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like to call the city of Duval committee

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of the whole workshop uh for August 18,

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2026 to order at 5:31

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uh p.m. First item on the committee of

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the whole workshop agenda and review of

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the regular uh meeting agenda. And I

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just um wanted to let folks know I do

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plan to submit a motion the regular

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council meeting to extend the public

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comment period. Uh so um if that's

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something other council members are

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considering just uh just to be aware of

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it. Are there any other changes or

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adjustments to the agenda we need to

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make note of?

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Seeing none, we will move on to the

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first of our discussion items this

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evening. Um and I do want to welcome the

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audience. We've got quite a few folks in

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the room with us today. Um

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and that is a presentation from the King

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County Library System regarding the

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Dubal Library and Denise um Balo uh the

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regional manager of the King County

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Library System will be presenting that

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she might be on

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make as well.

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Thank you, Mayor Mckenry and city

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council for welcoming us here today to

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share some information about King County

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Library System and the Duval Library. My

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name is Denise Mcgalo and I am the

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regional manager, one of nine regional

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managers uh in the King County Library

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System and my responsibilities include

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oversight and support for the Duval

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Library. I have some of my colleagues

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here with me today, Angie Benedetti,

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director of collection and access over

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there. Um, and to my left here is Naomi

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Fogerty. She's the librarian and

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information services manager in our

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region. And we have another one who's

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coming soon. And then I have with us

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Amanda Bishop who is our adult services

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librarian. Uh, and she works full-time,

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but she serves Carnation and Duvall

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together. Um, and then we have a Duo

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library board member. Jess, are you over

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>> Jess in the audience as well. So, I want

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to welcome them as well.

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Um, so I wanted to just start with our

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mission and that is to inspire the

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people of King County to succeed through

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ideas, interaction, and information.

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and then next slide, please.

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Beautiful. Okay, got it.

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So the King County Library has 50,

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that's what I said, hi location just

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throughout the county and our libraries

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were divided up by regions there and the

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glacier region that's us up there.

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wrench. We include Carnia, Duvall,

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libraries circulated 21 million items

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throughout the county. 11 million were

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digital items. So about half of what we

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circulate is digital. We are number two

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in the United States and number four in

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the world. And these represent 42.8% of

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household market reach.

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you, some statistics. Our total

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circulation at the Duvall Library, this

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includes physical items and digital

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items in 2025, was about 250,000

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items. Uh, and we had 6,247

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active patrons, people who were using

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their card with some regular regularity.

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new accounts added. Uh so you could see

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that there are people that are moving in

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library visits. Uh our stats for 2026 is kind of around about the same, but

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we're looking to maybe meet the same

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kind of target because it it es and

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flows each month uh in terms of the

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totals. Uh and then one important number

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I just wanted to point out. Uh you as

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you know we're open seven days a week.

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open hour which is pretty significant

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for community library.

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um already that um the library does

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story times, the library has activities

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for teens. We do craft afternoons for uh

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teens and adults. Uh so those things

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that you actually see happening in the

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library. But some of the things that you

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don't know where King County Library is

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supporting the community is things that

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we're doing when we're going to schools,

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when we're going to community events, uh

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to other other areas and partners in the

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community. And so one of the things our

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outreach staff and this is staff that is

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they go to all different types of places

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daycarees um senior centers those kinds

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of things regularly to bring materials

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for them to check out and here in Duval

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uh they support acres of diamonds once a

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month and Braithburn Academy once a

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month. So, I wanted you to kind of point

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that out. It's something extra that

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we're doing here in Duvall. And then our

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Duval and Carnation librarians, they're

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schools, uh, senior center and and and

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those kinds of things. And here, she

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does work at the Snow Valley Senior

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programs with them there. Uh, and so

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those are things you that they're busy

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doing and wondering where the librarians

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doing. Um, and certainly supporting our

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schools is a really important thing.

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schools directly that can't get to the

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library, don't know about the library.

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this year because both Amanda and our

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new children's team service just started

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this in the last months or so. Amanda,

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even a little bit later, right?

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[laughter] So, they're just kind of

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getting their, you know, feet to the

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ground and out there and doing things.

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with different events. And we're really

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proud of that work and we want to

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continue that work. Uh, we have the

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touch a truck program at Deepo Park

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which was on May 20th and I think that's

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you Amanda there in the picture. Yeah.

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two two moons park uh for a month uh

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just over the uh first month of summer

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there uh duval days which we always

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participate and have a a nice table out

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front and we see so many people uh

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during that day uh and connect with them

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to get them signed up for summer reading

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year Sarah started an outdoor story time

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the month. Hope that is going well. Uh Ronnie, our manager, got this

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wonderful picture with Sarah in the

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midst of bubbles, which I loved. So, I

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wanted to add that one there. Uh and

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then summer reading, uh which we do

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every summer, uh so far, and I'm sure

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this number has maybe grown a little

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bit, but we have over 400 readers signed

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up city of Dufall, uh for our summer

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reading program.

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any questions questions or for any of

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>> I'm an insider. Um, so 400 is that kids

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and adults if you do adult summer

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reading too this year.

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everybody signs up through Beanstack and

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the cool thing about Beanstack is it

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collects some numbers and data for us.

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bingo car.

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lot of road tripping up to Skycomish and

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it is always surprising to me that right

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off the railroad you see the King County

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way out there but you're still getting

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the service out there.

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wondering 2025.

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>> So, yeah, y'all are doing a great job.

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Fish Library, too. And our librarians,

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they work they work collaboratively in

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the valley. Um we team up to go to

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community events. Uh so, it's not just

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one person doing one thing or one

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audience. We're working together with

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our partners, with with the schools,

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with each other across our region. You

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know, hey, who's available on such and

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such day? I want to go to this event. I

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need a couple people to be at that

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table. So, it's it's it's wonderful work

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that they do together. I'm very proud of

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all their efforts.

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um sort of two two questions slightly

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different. uh one is obviously you know

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there was a co and then there was a lot

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investments in terms of you know ebooks

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as well as regular books that that

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you've continued to keep pace with that

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the picking up books for my daughter and

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you know the whole matching cards and

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getting the right accounts and and uh

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appreciated that I was curious you

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mentioned on one of the slides um the

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outreach to the schools and obviously

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they have their own libraries. Do you

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coordinate with the librarians and sort

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of a sort of outreach in terms of these

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just kind of curious how that

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interaction works. I mean I think the

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librarians uh and coordinating those.

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They've done a lot of lunchtime crafts

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which has really been a big hit as just

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a an easy way to just connect and talk

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with students directly. Um, think of any

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other things that in the schools here.

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>> Hi, Angelina Benadi. Uh, Brenovich.

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Welcome. Glad to be here uh for council.

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I am the uh regional uh director for the

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um region here. um every school, every

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school district that we work with in um

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uh our in our uh KCLs, we work with the

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districts in order to make sure that

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every student has a student card and

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that card can access all of our

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databases and all of our uh digital

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materials.

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>> And so that's something that every

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student we work with schools in order to

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be able to provide that.

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» I have a comment. Everyone said I I just

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want to thank you for also just seeing

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that there's space in Duvall for youth

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especially. Um there's not a lot of

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places for kids to hang out here and the

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library is a big spot. I know I

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personally used it to drop kids off for

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their meetups with other friends and

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it's just such a welcoming place. And I

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also say like I loved the um the ad

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campaign for letting people know about

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using your library card. you get free

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museum tickets um in the Seattle area.

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That was really something I hadn't heard

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of before and I I definitely saw a push

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on social media to tell people about

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that. So, that was a really cool program

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and I'm assuming that's year round that

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that's always available. I know it's

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limited per day than for the but

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>> it is. And then we also have something

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special going on with Pacific Science

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Center for a certain day coming up. I'm

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forgetting the date of the moment.

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>> I'm sure it's on the website though.

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>> Yeah. Well, thank you. But yeah, there's

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just a lot of great benefits being a

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member and it's it's been a great

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resource in our community. So, thank

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you.

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>> Appreciate it. Thank you.

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>> Thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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>> Yeah. An item on our council hall agenda

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is proposed provisions to do municipal

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code 8.12 on social events and that will

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be that discussion will be presided by

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uh our communications and community

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events manager.

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>> Um good evening council mayor. Um so

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this is just really an update to an

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older policy.

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Um, the last significant update was in

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1997 and now we're taking the

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opportunity to bring it up to date and

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incorporate the WCA's

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recommendations.

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>> Oh, fancy.

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>> Is it just the

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power?

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>> Okay. Um, so there aren't any major

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changes to the city's overall approach

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with special events. for mainly

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clarifying the process and strengthening

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some of the risk management pieces

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behind or sorry based on WCIA's

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recommendations

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and I believe that those recommendations

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were back in 2022.

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So, next steps,

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council review and feedback. And I

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believe one council member sent over um

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council member Wiggins had sent over

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some recommendations and working with

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Oscar to finalize and bring back the

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adoption.

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» Any questions?

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>> Uh any questions or comment from

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council? I don't know if you have any

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council member.

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>> I had a couple little notes. Is it

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better that I provide those now or

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should I just email them over later?

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>> Uh, email would be great.

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>> Okay, happy to do that.

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>> And then you can bring that back to us.

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>> Yeah. Yes, I believe on September.

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» Well, thank you.

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Um our our third um discussion item for

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this evening is website challenges

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related to new initiatives by the uh ADA

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the Americans with Disabilities Act and

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that will also be by Rita Moreno our

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communications and community events

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manager.

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[laughter]

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>> So today I'd like to just give a quick

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overview of what the ADA accessibility

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means spec specifically for our city

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website.

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That's very cool.

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>> Okay. So, um the ADA requires local

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governments to provide equal access to

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their services and information and that

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includes information we provide online

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through our website. For the website,

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that means making sure people with

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disabilities can accept can access and

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navigate our information using tools

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like screen readers, keyboard

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navigation, and other assisted

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technology.

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So when we talk about website

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accessibility, there are a lot of

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different pieces that are going into

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that. Things like making sure our pages

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have clear headings and navigation, that

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there's enough contrast between text and

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backgrounds, and that images have

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alternative text. It also includes

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making sure forms, PDFs, and other

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documents are accessible and that videos

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have captions. The goal is really to

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make sure that someone with a disability

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can get the same information and

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complete the same tasks on our website

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as everyone else.

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So, what have we done so far? We've

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already started working on accessibility

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improvements. We've been reviewing the

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website, identifying areas that need

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attention, and addressing issues as we

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come across them. Uh we're also

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utilizing accessibility tools and

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resources that are available through

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Civic Plus which is our um

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backend sorry

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>> website.

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>> Yeah, website software. Um so going

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forward we are incorporating our

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accessibility into uh the way we create

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and update our documents training with

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staff so that they can learn how to

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create these documents so we don't have

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to go back and and fix things. So, uh,

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we had a summer intern for events and

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communications this summer and that was

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really great. She started working on

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adding um the alternative text to all

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the images on our website and that is

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alone was a big project that is not

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completed. So, every single image on our

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website needs the the alt text. So,

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that's just a little glimpse into what

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um what some of those updates look like.

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do um there's still like I said quite a

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bit of work for us to do. Um we have a

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large amount a large amount of existing

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content on our website. So some of our

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older pages, some of our older PDFs,

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there's a ton of documents on there um

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that need to be updated. So the next

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step is to do a little bit more like a

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deeper dive, a deeper review. Uh

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prioritize the areas that have the

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greatest impact on our users. So what

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pages are visited the most? uh what

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information are people looking at, what

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forms are people using, what PDFs are

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being accessed, and those are the ones

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that we can kind of work on first. So,

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uh the goal, the end goal is to create a

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process that we can maintain going

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forward. So, like I said, rather than

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consistently going back and fixing

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things so that when we're creating

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things, they already are on our website

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with all those those boxes checked.

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Um, so yeah, that's kind of what I

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ultimately I said our goal is to make

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sure the city's website is accessible

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for everyone in our community. And we've

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made a start. We've identified areas

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that need attention. And now we have a

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path forward to continue improving

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accessibility and make it a part of how

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we manage the website moving forward for

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everyone.

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>> Questions, comments from council.

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member.

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>> Yeah. What type of uh kind of

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disabilities uh are you planning to

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accommodate here? Is it people that are

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deaf, people that are blind?

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>> Exactly. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. So,

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>> yeah, that's exactly what it is. It's

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the color color blindness, deafness, um

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people that are using third party like

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readers, screen readers. So just making

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like I said the contrast between images

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making sure that it the websites are

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laid out in a fashion that when the

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screen reader is reading it that it goes

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in order makes sense like heading one

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heading two. So yeah.

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>> And how far back in time are you

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planning to um make these changes to

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>> the dinosaurs? [laughter]

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That's a great question. I mean I think

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uh we are using audio eyes. So like

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we're using a couple different things

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from Civic Plus right now and so it's

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going through our whole website

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essentially. So everything that's on

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there and that's another thing for us to

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discuss internally is um discussing

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archiving pages and documents that are

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so old that maybe they have no use on

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the website anymore.

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was curious um you know Rita in sort of

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my prior life I worked for Microsoft and

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the suite you know office 365 is kind of

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what we use on top of the CMS system the

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civics plus which is doing the content

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management on the back end that has an

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accessibility checker for for powerpoint

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documents word documents spreadsheets um

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I know traditionally we have not run

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that through and so there's the website

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which is where this particular topic was

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targeted but there's you know

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distribution council. There's no

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guarantee we won't get a council member

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that's color blind or um but it's also

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you know the the making documents

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available in email. Does this extend

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beyond the website to individual

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documents beyond just PDFs and web pages

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uh in terms of process changes for for

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the the office?

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>> Yeah. So I think once we figure out how

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to get everybody on the same page,

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right? So internally like we need to

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meet as people that are creating these

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documents that are going onto the

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website and I think you're you're right

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exactly that it'll lead into all of our

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documents going forward because we will

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have the training to how to create those

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documents. So it's using the tools that

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we already have on Microsoft Word and

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creating PowerPoint presentations.

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>> So there's some cleanup work as well as

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sort of like the process putting the

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process and framework in place going forward.

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city administrator again. Um so

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complimentary to this work we are by the

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end of the year also going to do a style

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guide for internal um document creation

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and um well basically document creation

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whether it's PowerPoint [clears throat]

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word so that we are choosing only from

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the five fonts that can be read by a

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document reader and so that work will

546
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,559
happen at the beginning of the year will

547
00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:08,640
all be on a style guide that's

548
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,799
consistent with the ADA accommodations

549
00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:15,440
and the website accessibility work that

550
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:20,480
needs to be done by April now 2028.

551
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,765
>> Everything has to complete that by then.

552
00:22:22,765 --> 00:22:23,760
[clears throat]

553
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,600
>> So there's a little bit of one by

554
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,600
>> a little bit

555
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,039
of work.

556
00:22:29,039 --> 00:22:34,159
>> Uh oh, sorry, Council Member Wiggins.

557
00:22:34,159 --> 00:22:37,600
>> Yeah. Hi. Uh great. Um this is uh good

558
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,200
stuff. I like fact that we're doing

559
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,840
this. Um, Director McNav answered part

560
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,840
of my question. Um, I was going to ask

561
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,360
if staff could come back and provide a

562
00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:47,039
timeline to that last slide and any

563
00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:48,640
costs associated with the work that's

564
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,799
being done. I I think I heard some a

565
00:22:50,799 --> 00:22:52,799
software that's being used to access and

566
00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:55,520
audit the our websites, but I wasn't

567
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,039
sure if there's a subscription fee to

568
00:22:57,039 --> 00:22:59,280
that or do we own that or what the costs

569
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:00,799
are associated with doing this work.

570
00:23:00,799 --> 00:23:02,720
That was my question.

571
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,080
>> Administrator. Um, so we've already done

572
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,120
the equivalent of a mini audit with the

573
00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:11,520
software that we have to do kind of an

574
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,559
initial screen and we actually look okay

575
00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:17,440
for the most part. So Civic Plus has an

576
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,840
audit feature that they've released

577
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,240
because every city has to have their

578
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,840
website accessible. It was supposed to

579
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,480
be by 2027. So we all kind of started

580
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,480
doing that work fairly quickly and then

581
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,080
the federal government pushed it out

582
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,679
until uh 2028. But that doesn't mean

583
00:23:33,679 --> 00:23:35,440
that there isn't still a lot of work to

584
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,799
be done. So ultimately our goal is to

585
00:23:38,799 --> 00:23:41,760
have all of our documents

586
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:46,960
uh edited with alt text on them be

587
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,120
formatted for screen readers probably by

588
00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:52,480
you know I like to get a little ahead of

589
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,320
the curve. You know the goal would be by

590
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,280
February of 2028. It could mean as we

591
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:58,960
continue to look at the stuff that's

592
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:04,159
left that we will see a little bit of um

593
00:24:04,159 --> 00:24:07,600
uh budget requests for the 2027 and 2028

594
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,360
bianium for some of those things that

595
00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:11,600
are highly specialized. And if we do

596
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,360
make a budget request, that will appear

597
00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:16,080
in the uh communications and community

598
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,001
events budget.

599
00:24:20,011 --> 00:24:22,000
[clears throat]

600
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,919
Uh, Council Member Hernandez.

601
00:24:23,919 --> 00:24:26,400
>> Uh, in my last job at Nintendo of

602
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,240
America, I was actually on the team that

603
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,159
had to write all the alt text for our

604
00:24:30,159 --> 00:24:35,760
entire website. So, I know what you're up against. Uh, while I may not

605
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,200
have the time to actually help you with

606
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:38,720
that, I would if you don't already have

607
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,159
a plan, please let me know and I will

608
00:24:40,159 --> 00:24:42,559
tell you how we did it. uh for the alt

609
00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:44,880
text. Uh it was fairly simple the way we

610
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,000
set it up

611
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,679
>> uh using an Excel sheet

612
00:24:47,679 --> 00:24:49,520
>> and we had a team of six people go

613
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,120
through the entire website over the

614
00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:53,600
course of six months to get not just the

615
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,559
alt text but everything ADA compliant.

616
00:24:56,559 --> 00:24:58,960
Uh I can only to give some advice on the

617
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,240
alt text. That was all I did.

618
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,960
>> That would be great. Thank you.

619
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,207
>> Any comments or questions?

620
00:25:05,207 --> 00:25:06,080
[clears throat]

621
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,240
Thank you.

622
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,559
And that brings us to uh our last

623
00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:15,279
discussion item um David Syria um which

624
00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:17,360
is the dark sky initiative and proposed

625
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:19,840
pilot program and that discussion will

626
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,960
be led by C McNab sorry Cynthia McNav

627
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,960
our city administrator and David Horren

628
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,720
our resident you all who put this

629
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,520
initiative proposals together.

630
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,080
>> Well I will start with just passing it

631
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,960
immediately off to David and thanking

632
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,600
him for all of his work. David and I had

633
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,720
an opportunity to meet a couple months

634
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,039
ago just to talk about this initiative

635
00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:46,159
and um you know we always appreciate a

636
00:25:46,159 --> 00:25:49,360
resident who is passionate but also I

637
00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:50,960
want to make sure that we thank and

638
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,679
appreciate David because he does our um

639
00:25:53,679 --> 00:25:55,840
night sky events up at Big Rock Ball

640
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,200
Field and it's a wonderful free amenity

641
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,840
that he offers the community and we

642
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,840
really appreciate it. So with that I

643
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,279
will hand it over to D.

644
00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:07,840
>> Thank you. So I'm David Horn, a Duvall

645
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,000
resident for about nine years now and as

646
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,440
part of transparency, I'm also a member

647
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,279
of the Seattle Astronomical Society and

648
00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:15,360
the International Dark Sky Association.

649
00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:17,840
So I'm here to talk about um how we can

650
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,200
make Duvall Washington a dark sky

651
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,029
community.

652
00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:26,559
So just going to cover a few things

653
00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:27,919
basically. What is light pollutions?

654
00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:30,159
What's the impacts um to the environment

655
00:26:30,159 --> 00:26:33,120
light pollution? Show how light

656
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:34,559
pollution has been increasing over the

657
00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:36,640
years. talk about what is responsible

658
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,159
about outdoor lighting. What does it

659
00:26:38,159 --> 00:26:40,320
mean to be a dark sky community and then

660
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,000
talk about how we would move forward

661
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,640
with a proposed dark sky ordinance for

662
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,840
the city. So starting out with the first

663
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:48,880
basically what is light pollution? I

664
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:49,919
think most people know what this is.

665
00:26:49,919 --> 00:26:52,080
It's just technically humanmade

666
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,159
alteration of outdoor light levels um

667
00:26:54,159 --> 00:26:56,320
from those occurring naturally which

668
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,159
causes ob excessive brightness that

669
00:26:58,159 --> 00:27:00,720
causes visual discomfort and glare. Um,

670
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,480
sky glow, which is the big one we see.

671
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,320
We can even see from Redmond's a

672
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,520
brightening of the night sky over

673
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,760
inhabited areas. Light trespass where

674
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,520
light is going, you know, where it's not

675
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,360
supposed to be. Your neighbor's driveway

676
00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:13,919
light is moving in your backyard. That

677
00:27:13,919 --> 00:27:15,840
would be light trespass. Um, and then

678
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,120
clutter where it's just just way too

679
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:18,799
much lighting. It's bright confusing and

680
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:21,840
excessive uh grouping. Um, so what are

681
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,360
the impacts um of light pollution? So

682
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:28,559
many ma mainly around um to talk about

683
00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:30,159
human human health and well-being. So it

684
00:27:30,159 --> 00:27:32,400
affects creating rhythm disruptions,

685
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,480
decreased melatonin production, glares

686
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,559
and you know impaired vision. Most of

687
00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:38,159
the studies to this date are all about,

688
00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:39,600
you know, internal lighting and there's

689
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,440
ongoing studies about external lighting

690
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:42,799
and how that's changing and so that's

691
00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:44,559
not definitive yet. But we do know it

692
00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:47,520
affects wildlife and ecosystems. Um, you

693
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,760
know, bats, owls, migrated, birds, um,

694
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,120
anything that's, you know, doing

695
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:53,919
reproduction reproduction and nocturnal

696
00:27:53,919 --> 00:27:56,640
powers, you know, especially around us,

697
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,559
around farmland, bees, insects, and

698
00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:00,000
pollinators are all attracted to

699
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,480
cellulites and it affects um our rural

700
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,880
community as well. Um, crime and safety.

701
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,399
So it doesn't you have a lot of lights

702
00:28:06,399 --> 00:28:08,159
doesn't mean you're safest because

703
00:28:08,159 --> 00:28:11,120
there's poor lighting can create glare.

704
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:12,480
So you can't really see what's going on

705
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,320
in the glare, but it's better to have a

706
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,440
light that turns off by motion timer um

707
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,279
by motion sensor. You know, just because

708
00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:20,960
you have light, you know, for light sake

709
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,360
doesn't make things safer. Um and then

710
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:24,960
on the road just it affects driving. I

711
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,480
know when we first moved from sodium

712
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,039
vapor lights to LEDs, just driving home

713
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:30,480
in my neighborhood, it was like it was

714
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:31,600
overwhelming. You know, we've gotten

715
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,120
used to it over a while. it's really

716
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,679
impacted our our night skies. Um, and I

717
00:28:35,679 --> 00:28:37,520
can point to tons of studies on this.

718
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:38,960
And then just energy and climate change.

719
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,159
You know, we waste billions of dollars

720
00:28:40,159 --> 00:28:42,799
nationwide on, you know, 30% of light we

721
00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:45,120
just don't even need. Um, and it

722
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,200
contributes to just more energy usage

723
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,039
overall. So, good stuff here. So, how's

724
00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:54,399
this impact Duvall? So, here's a light

725
00:28:54,399 --> 00:28:57,600
gradient view of Duvall from 2012 to

726
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,600
2025. And you'll see the different

727
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,279
colors there. On the top is a scale

728
00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:02,960
known as the bortal scale. We're at

729
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,039
completely dark sky. Middle of the ocean

730
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:07,760
is going to be a one and downtown New

731
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,039
York City or downtown Seattle is going

732
00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:11,039
to be a nine. So we're right now we're

733
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:14,320
about a 5.6. Of the five star parties

734
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,080
that Seattle Astro does across the

735
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,919
region, we're tied. Don't follow me.

736
00:29:17,919 --> 00:29:19,440
It's 5.6. We're the we're one of the

737
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,360
darkest skies. And you can see it just

738
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,440
used to be downtown in 2012. And you see

739
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,360
how with the growth of the city and with

740
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,360
the street lights going from sodium

741
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,279
vapor to LEDs which are much brighter in

742
00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:31,840
full spectrum that gradient has has

743
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,080
grown and just covered the entire city

744
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,679
region. Even you know we go out ball

745
00:29:35,679 --> 00:29:37,840
fields down there in the brown on the

746
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,279
right side on the left is under the

747
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:41,600
yellow side. Um when I first moved here

748
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,200
9 years ago I could sit on my back dej I

749
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,399
could see the Milky Way. I can see the

750
00:29:44,399 --> 00:29:46,240
dark lanes. I can barely see the Milky

751
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,600
Way just in that short amount of time

752
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:48,880
just because of the growth of the city.

753
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,880
The switch to LEDs. So this just shows

754
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,720
you over time how it's growing. You can

755
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:53,840
see how Redmond is encroaching.

756
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,919
Redmond's getting bigger. It's growing.

757
00:29:55,919 --> 00:29:58,159
Uh it's it's our biggest sky glow is

758
00:29:58,159 --> 00:29:59,840
actually Redmond when we're out at the

759
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,559
stargazing events.

760
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:04,545
So that's a little bit about how it's

761
00:30:04,545 --> 00:30:04,559
>> [clears throat]

762
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:08,399
>> um changed over time. Um I think what we

763
00:30:08,399 --> 00:30:12,240
can do is if we had an ordinance and we

764
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,080
really, you know, changed the LEDs and

765
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,600
we changed and we did everything we were

766
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,039
supposed to do, I think we get down to

767
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:19,279
like a bordal 4.5, which would be a like

768
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:21,440
a rural um community. we could, you

769
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:22,960
know, have a beautiful, beautiful night

770
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,120
sky.

771
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,720
And if we can set an example for other

772
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,480
communities around us, we can just get

773
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,720
the ball rolling and be the first and uh just make the whole Snomi Valley

774
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,559
even better. I did run into Sarah Perry.

775
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:36,480
She came to Dubal days at my booth and

776
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,640
she knew all about bats and migrating

777
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,000
birds. She goes, "If you can do this in

778
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,159
Duvall, let me know because I want to do

779
00:30:42,159 --> 00:30:44,559
my whole district, you know, let's just

780
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:45,760
have the starting point." So, it's great

781
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,000
support even from King County uh level

782
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,120
administration. So, um, so this is just

783
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,760
a nice little graphic about what a good

784
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,279
light looks like. So, of course, we

785
00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:57,039
don't want lights illuminating the sky

786
00:30:57,039 --> 00:31:00,159
directly. We want a nice, um, light that

787
00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:03,120
has at least 80° and below is, you know,

788
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,440
you're not you're not uh illuminating

789
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,039
anything above that 80° from the ground,

790
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:08,880
right? Or from from perpendicular here.

791
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,080
Um, and of course, the best light at all

792
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,679
is one that's not used, not on, turned

793
00:31:11,679 --> 00:31:13,120
off, and not needed or it's on a motion

794
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,310
sensor.

795
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,480
Um so there's basically there's five

796
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:19,919
principles to do this. You know the

797
00:31:19,919 --> 00:31:21,520
light should be only used if it's

798
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,200
needed. It should be targeted only

799
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,159
illuminated what's um needs to be lit

800
00:31:26,159 --> 00:31:28,480
up. It should be a low level like only

801
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,880
like 3,000 Kelvin so it's a a warmer

802
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,279
temperature um and you know should be

803
00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:34,880
controlled put it on a timer put it on a

804
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,559
motion sensor and um and yeah warm color

805
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:40,240
and low level are kind of go together.

806
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:46,240
But those are five principles of what needs to change um to uh

807
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,519
have a low lower level of light

808
00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:50,080
pollution.

809
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,159
Um so what does it mean to be a dark sky

810
00:31:52,159 --> 00:31:54,640
community? So the international dark sky

811
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,360
association recognizes certain locations

812
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,320
whether it's a a park reserve sanctuary,

813
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,480
a city, a community or or smaller

814
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,440
community um that you can be certified

815
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,120
as being a dark sky. You know, you can

816
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,960
put that on there. They get on the map.

817
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,679
It's a place to visit. It helps with

818
00:32:11,679 --> 00:32:14,399
astro tourism. So in the United States,

819
00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:16,480
there are 42 communities, you know,

820
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,480
cities and towns that are recognized by

821
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,480
the IDA. There's only two in Oregon and

822
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:21,919
only two in Idaho. I was surprised to

823
00:32:21,919 --> 00:32:24,480
see u and there's none in Washington.

824
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,519
So, uh, chance to start something going

825
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:30,320
in Washington. Um, and to be dark side

826
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,000
certified, you don't have to be a portal

827
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,039
2 or something. All you have to do is

828
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:37,840
have a policy, you know, make some the

829
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,440
appropriate lighting refits, have an

830
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,679
education program, um, and then just

831
00:32:41,679 --> 00:32:43,039
continually monitor it to make sure it's

832
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:44,000
just not getting worse. It's getting

833
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,080
better over time. And you don't even

834
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,320
necessarily have to force the ordinance

835
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,159
onto residents because the biggest light

836
00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:52,640
polluters are street lights. It's the

837
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,240
industry and communities. And if you

838
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,840
just educate the rest of the community,

839
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,120
they they should, you know, they'll

840
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,399
agree and say, "Yeah, I'm going to I can

841
00:32:58,399 --> 00:33:00,640
update my my lights on my porch and make

842
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,799
sure they're not um setting it out." So,

843
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:04,240
I don't think we would need to go that

844
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,320
far. Plus, it's hard to enforce at that

845
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,559
level anyway. So, um so I was thinking

846
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:09,840
about that and something new that Cindy

847
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,600
we hadn't talked about yet, but I think

848
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,240
we wouldn't need to do that. Um so,

849
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,679
where do we go from here? So, propose is

850
00:33:17,679 --> 00:33:19,600
city ordinance, but I I have given a

851
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,760
draft to Cynthia McNab. We take a look

852
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,640
at that to start with. um to regulate

853
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,720
outdoor lighting. So what this will do

854
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,640
will bring back the night skies in Dubal

855
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,440
to improve health safety and bring back

856
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,159
our rural heritage of dark dark rural

857
00:33:34,159 --> 00:33:36,799
skies. Um we could prepare Dubal to

858
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:38,480
become an IDA certified dark sky

859
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,960
community which would be huge for I

860
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,720
think that help tourism people more

861
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,640
people would come for star parties. um

862
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,240
people might want to live here in a dark

863
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,919
sky, right? That they people come to

864
00:33:47,919 --> 00:33:49,760
Dubal because of the rural in the

865
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,399
community. Um and then inspire other

866
00:33:52,399 --> 00:33:54,000
nearby communities to do the same so

867
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,159
that we can get the horizon and just

868
00:33:56,159 --> 00:33:59,039
make life better for everybody. Um um so

869
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:01,279
the steps to execute this so first step

870
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:02,640
is to look at the policy, get it

871
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,039
written, get it uh reviewed uh by the

872
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:08,000
council and everybody to vote on it. Um

873
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,240
this would also include exceptions for

874
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:11,839
you know seasonal holiday lighting of

875
00:34:11,839 --> 00:34:13,520
course. So, we're not saying the whole

876
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:14,879
city goes dark. We certainly have

877
00:34:14,879 --> 00:34:16,320
lights. We're just going to reduce them

878
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,919
and have them aim properly. And there

879
00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:21,200
would be, you know, um exceptions for

880
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,599
such things as that. Um so, and then

881
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:25,280
once that's done, then you start on the

882
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,679
retrofit process. Maybe we start with a

883
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,839
pilot area in the city to start with to

884
00:34:29,839 --> 00:34:31,679
see if we can, you know, drop the light

885
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:33,440
pollution in that area. See how that

886
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,879
goes, get some lessons learned there

887
00:34:34,879 --> 00:34:36,560
before we roll it out across the rest of

888
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,399
the community. Um and then we would

889
00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:40,079
continuing with outreach and education.

890
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:41,119
We're already doing that. we have

891
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:42,639
stargazing events. We could still, you

892
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:43,919
know, could do that working with the

893
00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:46,480
schools, bring in students, um, you

894
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,079
know, educate them as well. But that's

895
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:50,000
an ongoing thing as part of being

896
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,359
certified. And then you just keep

897
00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:52,639
monitoring to see if it's getting worse.

898
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:53,520
It's getting better. If it's getting

899
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,040
worse, what are we doing wrong? How can

900
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,119
we fix it? If it's getting better, well,

901
00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:58,480
let's share that with other communities

902
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,880
as well. So, that would be um how we

903
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,200
would um go apart in four steps, you

904
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,520
know, to this process.

905
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,359
And then last of all, I just want to

906
00:35:07,359 --> 00:35:08,880
thank everybody for letting me speak

907
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,920
today. And I love the artwork at the

908
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,280
good ball fields. It turned out

909
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,760
fantastic.

910
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,400
>> Thank you. Any questions for David from

911
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,880
council?

912
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,000
>> Council member.

913
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,079
>> Yeah. Are you aware of a city in

914
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:26,000
somewhere in Scandinavia that replaced

915
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,160
their sodium or LEDs with red lighting?

916
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,680
>> Yes. Yes, I have seen that. Yeah.

917
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,920
>> Yeah. So, um,

918
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,680
>> and that's because of a certain bat, I

919
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:36,800
think,

920
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,880
>> was crossing this one area of road, this

921
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,079
one highway, and they just put it on

922
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:41,920
that section so the bat migrations would

923
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,280
continue. So, yeah.

924
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,240
>> Okay. Would that um red LED lighting,

925
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:48,400
would that decrease the amount of light

926
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,760
pollution or

927
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,280
>> absolutely do it. And I would love to

928
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,520
see when the when the um ball fields get

929
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,200
expanded that we have some red lighting

930
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,280
for for our stargazing nights so people

931
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,440
can get from their cars to the to the

932
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,200
field without using flashlights and

933
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,800
stuff. So I think in certain areas it

934
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,400
makes sense but not not the whole city

935
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,359
would be red but yeah.

936
00:36:07,359 --> 00:36:09,359
>> Yeah.

937
00:36:09,359 --> 00:36:11,119
Council member

938
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:14,160
>> uh so back when I was living in in Texas

939
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,680
I actually used to go to a little place

940
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,920
called Howard Well about 200 miles out

941
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,240
of Austin just for the night sky. And I

942
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:21,920
so I really appreciate this because if

943
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,320
you ain't never seen a black sky

944
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:25,119
>> it's amazing.

945
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:27,920
>> Texas has a lot of dark sky. Uh there's

946
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,040
one in San Antonio specifically that I'm

947
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,640
thinking about which was just north of

948
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,280
Camp Bullis. It is it was I don't think

949
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,280
it was like a dark sky initiative. It

950
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,440
was actually Camp Bolis imposed this on

951
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:40,480
people there.

952
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,200
>> Uh where they had uh had to decrease the

953
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,640
amount of light there. There was a lot

954
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,400
of push back for that.

955
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,520
>> Uh is that something that you've kind of

956
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,119
touched on that we might not have to

957
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:52,400
worry about that here? we don't have to

958
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,920
do too too much uh regulation of private

959
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,680
lighting. Uh but is this something that

960
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,240
we would want to do or think about doing

961
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:02,960
in the future?

962
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,560
>> I think we might think about it, right?

963
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,000
So if you you got a neighbor, I've got

964
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,119
neighbors, you know, I can go talk to

965
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:09,359
them and say, "Hey, would you consider

966
00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:10,800
these light? I might even buy it for

967
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,240
you, right? Because you're my neighbor."

968
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:15,359
Um but I think yeah, if this trespassing

969
00:37:15,359 --> 00:37:17,520
there's and there may be already a rule

970
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,280
about trespassing, you know, you can't

971
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:20,720
just shine a bright spotlight in your

972
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:22,880
neighbor's yard, right? there. I I'd be

973
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:23,920
curious to see what's already on the

974
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,320
books for that. Um and it needed to be

975
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,920
changed. But yeah, good point. Yeah.

976
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,240
>> Um curious whether this is a question

977
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:33,920
you may weigh in, David, but for the

978
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,000
city administrator. I know that, you

979
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,599
know, this is kind of one of those

980
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:39,680
examples of unintended consequences a

981
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,440
little bit is the city made worked with

982
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,520
PSD. There was some investment to get

983
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,520
rid of sort of the the gas lights to the

984
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,400
LED. And part of that was around longer

985
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,880
lifespan, fewer, you know, short not

986
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,560
having to replace the lights as often,

987
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,040
but but as I think David indicated,

988
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,720
there's actually it's a brighter light,

989
00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:59,440
so there's some unintended consequences.

990
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,359
Um there's obviously some potential

991
00:38:01,359 --> 00:38:04,240
opportunities right now where we do some

992
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:06,400
of the sky watching events whether it's

993
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,720
Big Rock Park or to pilot some of this

994
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:10,079
but I was just curious if you could

995
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:12,240
weigh in a little bit in terms of if we

996
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:14,560
did want to pilot you know potential

997
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,400
cost and if I'm putting you on the spot

998
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,079
that's okay too we can revisit this

999
00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:19,599
later when we talk about you know

1000
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:21,920
potential ordinance as well.

1001
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,160
>> Yeah. So, I haven't um priced out both

1002
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:33,200
the what PSC may um ask for the city to,

1003
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,520
you know, contribute if we're asking PSC

1004
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,920
to replace um some of their

1005
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,280
infrastructure or lighting. Um so, I

1006
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,000
haven't started pricing it. I think

1007
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,560
really the next step will be does

1008
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,680
council want uh me to work with the

1009
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,480
draft ordinance and come back with a

1010
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,079
draft in a pilot area. Um and then we

1011
00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:57,920
can start talking about the cost of that

1012
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,119
once we get an ordinance that is a first

1013
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:03,839
step. Um and then of course also working

1014
00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:05,599
with the public works department because

1015
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:07,680
they would know far better than I would

1016
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,119
what infrastructure we have out there

1017
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:10,880
for lighting and what would need to

1018
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,359
change. Um and then also to making sure

1019
00:39:13,359 --> 00:39:16,480
that we're involving um chief uh you

1020
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,079
know some areas

1021
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:18,720
>> public safety

1022
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:20,720
>> there's a public safety component. So

1023
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:23,599
where wherever we select to pilot it and

1024
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:26,960
begin the process of kind of converting

1025
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,640
we want to make sure that we're choosing

1026
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,920
an area that is appropriate from a

1027
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,200
public safety perspective.

1028
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,880
>> So is there out there?

1029
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,359
>> Oh is it okay? I saw another hand

1030
00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:40,320
though, but it's down [clears throat]

1031
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,760
now, so I'm not sure. Um,

1032
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,079
>> um, David, I my background is biology,

1033
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:47,520
so I'm obviously very excited about

1034
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,160
this, but I there are real concerns, you

1035
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,400
know, in how you phase it or how you do

1036
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,240
it in a way, and I think education is a

1037
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:56,480
really big piece of that as well. Um, so

1038
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,280
I'm really interested to the the pilot

1039
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,160
idea and and how you choose the um the

1040
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,440
area. So we had habitat corridors and if

1041
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,520
that's a consideration of there are some

1042
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,200
areas that might have a higher impact to

1043
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,280
wildlife and focus on those. I think

1044
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,040
that might also correspond with areas

1045
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,000
that are less um need in need of light

1046
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,920
for safety reasons. But I'm especially

1047
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,160
interested too in like motion detection

1048
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,480
lighting. Um because we do have this

1049
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,640
very long main street with all these

1050
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,920
light but you know at 2 a.m. you know I

1051
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,520
mean there are some people that go

1052
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,280
walking at this hour night but

1053
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:32,960
especially when it's thought out. So I'd

1054
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,480
be really interested in how we would

1055
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,720
what data we would use or maybe you have

1056
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:39,280
some insight there to look at a map and

1057
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:40,880
say this could be one of the most

1058
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,560
beneficial areas you know and then

1059
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,400
overlay that with the other concerns as

1060
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,240
well.

1061
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:48,240
I would say just first off the top of my

1062
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:49,760
head there just is go around the edges

1063
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,680
of where we saw that chart to see if we

1064
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,520
could decrease it right you could

1065
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,119
visually see a decrease from satellite

1066
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:56,800
views just on the edges would be the

1067
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,040
best place to start and also as far as

1068
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,640
replacing all those LEDs I think what

1069
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,240
you could do temporarily is put a filter

1070
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:03,920
on them and then as those burn out

1071
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,760
replace them with a lower temperature

1072
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,200
>> that might be a more affordable way to

1073
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:07,599
do it.

1074
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:10,160
>> Yeah.

1075
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,920
Council member Owen, Council Member

1076
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:16,950
Wiggins, any comments?

1077
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,720
» Yeah, I mean, I I I love this. I'm in

1078
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:21,359
favor of it. Um I would love to to to

1079
00:41:21,359 --> 00:41:23,839
see this move forward. I thank you, you

1080
00:41:23,839 --> 00:41:25,280
know, for all your work on this so far,

1081
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:31,200
David. And um I did go through the the draft policy and I mean I had some

1082
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,079
ideas and some thoughts but if if

1083
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:35,839
administrator McNav if you're going to

1084
00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:38,240
kind of do another draft of that then I

1085
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:40,640
can wait before I provide any feedback

1086
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,160
or if it would be helpful I mean I'm

1087
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,240
happy to email over. I just had a few

1088
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:45,680
thoughts about how to how to approach

1089
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:46,800
some of the things that were in there

1090
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,079
now. Um but big picture I love it. I'm

1091
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:52,240
happy that we're talking about this and

1092
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:55,200
um tourism benefit. Sure. That's great.

1093
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,760
I would love that. But um really the

1094
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,920
environmental benefit really, you know,

1095
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:02,880
stands out to me and and so yeah, I'm

1096
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,000
all for this.

1097
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,839
>> Just it sounds like a straw poll a

1098
00:42:07,839 --> 00:42:09,440
little bit for direction for the city

1099
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,839
administrator. There's interest amongst

1100
00:42:11,839 --> 00:42:13,359
council. So I'd love to hear your point

1101
00:42:13,359 --> 00:42:15,760
of view as well.

1102
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,599
>> Uh love the idea. Thank you, David, for

1103
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:19,920
coming out. I was curious um how big of

1104
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,680
a area do we need to uh focus on for

1105
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,680
retrofit in order to qualify for one of

1106
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:26,960
being the first communities in

1107
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,400
Washington? I really want us to be the

1108
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:29,944
first community in Washington.

1109
00:42:29,944 --> 00:42:30,800
[laughter]

1110
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,359
How big of a square footage do you need

1111
00:42:33,359 --> 00:42:36,400
for us to and and my other question was

1112
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,560
are we going after the residents as well

1113
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,560
to do something uh with their homes

1114
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,319
rather than just public rightways? Are

1115
00:42:42,319 --> 00:42:43,839
we going to ask our residents to do

1116
00:42:43,839 --> 00:42:45,359
something as well to help out here?

1117
00:42:45,359 --> 00:42:47,520
What's your thoughts on that? you

1118
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:48,319
touched on that but

1119
00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:50,240
>> yeah so two questions there so as far I

1120
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:51,599
think the whole city is what we want to

1121
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:53,520
end up doing right to get get certified

1122
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,200
it has to be the whole boundaries of

1123
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,119
your city right so unless you wanted to

1124
00:42:57,119 --> 00:42:59,040
carve out a centary and say this is

1125
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,040
Duvall west or something and we're going

1126
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,280
to make this or do all east is going to

1127
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,160
be but it's the whole city is pretty and

1128
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,599
you don't have to be there you just have

1129
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:09,680
to start the process start the retrofit

1130
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:10,960
it takes about one to three years to get

1131
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,160
a certification because they're going to

1132
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,520
watch how you're doing it watch your

1133
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,599
progress and then once you met you know

1134
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:17,760
once you've got all those luminires and

1135
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,839
lights change and you got the hoods on

1136
00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:22,400
them and the shields then um then yeah

1137
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,920
then you can get the certifications.

1138
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,000
That's kind of the area effect. As far

1139
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,760
as residents that first 2012 image you

1140
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,680
saw that was you know before you know

1141
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,760
the LEDs that was the biggest factor is

1142
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,680
the street lighting um and the fact that

1143
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,200
the town is growing too but that's not

1144
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,880
so much residents maybe some of the big

1145
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,800
apartment complexes but what I've seen

1146
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,240
most of the new complexes are pretty

1147
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:45,440
good lighting as well. So, um I think

1148
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,440
for the residents,

1149
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,319
um you know, a vote and maybe it would

1150
00:43:50,319 --> 00:43:51,760
pass. A lot of people are for this, but

1151
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,119
they feel forced to do it. But I think

1152
00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:56,640
if it's voluntary and you just use your neighbors, you know, work with your

1153
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:57,760
neighbors, I think that's I think that

1154
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,510
would be enough to start.

1155
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,760
» Council member, it sounded like you were

1156
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,160
for this based on

1157
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,680
>> So, I would say, you know, it sounds

1158
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,280
like you have some consensus. Um

1159
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,280
probably don't get too deep obviously

1160
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,839
into it. if we need to adjust the work

1161
00:44:13,839 --> 00:44:15,920
plan, but um at least some initial

1162
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,359
direction.

1163
00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:19,520
>> Yeah, perfect. Thank you. And I've been

1164
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,599
taking notes on some ideas like I really

1165
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:23,280
like the idea of kind of starting with

1166
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,839
the areas around habitat corridors

1167
00:44:25,839 --> 00:44:29,520
>> um as a way to kind of begin laying out

1168
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,280
where we can um start doing the work.

1169
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,200
And I think residents that live near

1170
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,240
those habitat corridors would probably

1171
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:40,640
be keen on voluntary compliance is my

1172
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,440
sense. Um, but yes, I will take a look.

1173
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,000
Um, I don't have a timeline in mind yet.

1174
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,560
Got some other things going on. Um, but

1175
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,800
I will be sure in the fall to uh

1176
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,240
bring back a draft.

1177
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:56,000
>> I appreciate the feedback on the the

1178
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,000
filter. So, it's not at all or nothing.

1179
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,599
It might be some partial mitigation we

1180
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:01,839
can do. Um, Council Member Wiggins, can

1181
00:45:01,839 --> 00:45:02,960
you have a final comment?

1182
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,560
>> One more one more follow. Hey, David,

1183
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:05,839
are there any other cities in Washington

1184
00:45:05,839 --> 00:45:08,480
that are going after this? Uh,

1185
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,079
>> also

1186
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:13,119
are we are we in a race, buddy?

1187
00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:14,480
>> There are some on the eastern Washington

1188
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,079
there are some dark sky locations the

1189
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:17,680
astronomers go to. I mean it's like the

1190
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,680
Golden Dale Sky Village. They haven't

1191
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:20,640
you know they could get this

1192
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,160
certification if they wanted to but they

1193
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,560
haven't done it. So it's not on the on

1194
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:25,839
the list yet. So

1195
00:45:25,839 --> 00:45:26,400
>> okay,

1196
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:27,520
>> we're not going to beat them because

1197
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,440
it's truly out in the middle of nowhere.

1198
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:30,079
But

1199
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:31,920
>> as far as a city goes, we would be the

1200
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,599
first.

1201
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:35,359
>> Well, thank you. Appreciate it.

1202
00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:37,920
>> Thank you. Any comment?

1203
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,400
>> Uh, no we don't take there's a public

1204
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,560
comment period. We don't take public

1205
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,640
comments. Thank you.

1206
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,470
>> Thank you.

1207
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:53,200
» Uh, well that actually concludes our

1208
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,119
four regular discussion items. We do

1209
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:57,280
have some time about 45 minutes before

1210
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,680
the meeting. So we can move into some

1211
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,839
mayor and city administrator and council

1212
00:46:01,839 --> 00:46:06,950
reports and then see where we are.

1213
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,400
What do you want to do? Oh, do you want

1214
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,720
to do my report first?

1215
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:12,240
>> Just trying to see that. Well, mayor's

1216
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:13,680
report is first. You don't have to go

1217
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,400
first if you don't want to.

1218
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:17,839
>> The only thing I was thinking of though

1219
00:46:17,839 --> 00:46:19,839
is one part of this is talking about the

1220
00:46:19,839 --> 00:46:21,440
meeting with the King County Executive.

1221
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,760
Should we cover that here and then high

1222
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,359
like I'm just wondering people knew that

1223
00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:27,119
it was happening at the county. That one

1224
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:30,160
part I should save or because I have a

1225
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,480
lot of other things I can go through. I

1226
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,720
don't know. Yeah, I mean

1227
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:36,480
>> I could save that part for the council

1228
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,319
meeting

1229
00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:39,119
that way.

1230
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:41,599
>> Some may not come to the council.

1231
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:44,560
>> So, I'll do all of my report except for

1232
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:45,680
the meeting with the King County

1233
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,680
Executive just so that since we did let

1234
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:48,880
some people know we were doing that at

1235
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,319
the council meeting that it'll happen

1236
00:46:50,319 --> 00:46:52,000
then. So, I'll tell you everything else

1237
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,440
that I did. Um, so I attended both the

1238
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,920
remaining summer stage concerts in July.

1239
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,520
So, remember we didn't have a council

1240
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,200
meeting earlier this month. So, a lot of

1241
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,920
time has passed. Um, and so just a huge

1242
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,599
thank you to our communications and

1243
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:07,680
community events manager. Rita, perfect

1244
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,599
that you're here. Um, for managing such

1245
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:11,200
a wonderful summer stage series this

1246
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,440
year. I heard compliments from every

1247
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,280
band that we had. They just thought the

1248
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:16,880
setup was wonderful and you were just

1249
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,800
such a great person to manage it and

1250
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:19,920
help them out with everything they

1251
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,599
needed. Um, of course it was super

1252
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:23,119
disappointing. We had to cancel that

1253
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:25,760
last one and national night out uh just

1254
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,280
due to wildfire smoke, but of course

1255
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,760
it's always vital to um in unsafe

1256
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,359
conditions to not encourage people to be

1257
00:47:31,359 --> 00:47:32,640
outside. And then of course for our

1258
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,599
staff as well. I attended the Swami

1259
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:38,319
Valley Oops, I just zoomed in and

1260
00:47:38,319 --> 00:47:41,359
something crazy. Sorry. Um I attended

1261
00:47:41,359 --> 00:47:43,200
the Snowqualami Valley local advocacy

1262
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:44,960
group which consists of all the human

1263
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,560
service providers in the Snowqualami

1264
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,040
Valley as well as the mayors and it was

1265
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,240
just an informative um meeting and more

1266
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:54,960
casual meetup to get to know each other

1267
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,560
to hear about all the different services

1268
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,720
that are available in the valley um as

1269
00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:00,880
well as their needs. Um of course they

1270
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,040
are always looking for funding. So we

1271
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,720
you know my advice to them was to not be

1272
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:06,400
shy about asking because we just you

1273
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,000
know we're used to talking about budget

1274
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,359
and things like that. So, it would just

1275
00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:11,440
help for them to be forward with asking

1276
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:12,880
for their needs. They may not get them,

1277
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,640
of course, but just to be blunt about

1278
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,680
it. Um, and as mayors, we were asked to

1279
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,040
give our advice on how to best

1280
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,720
communicate with councils. And so, I

1281
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:22,880
personally told them to make sure and at

1282
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,559
least come once a year so that, you

1283
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:26,240
know, new council members come in all

1284
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:28,000
the time so that they know you exist and

1285
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,280
what you do and um, go from there. I

1286
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,520
attended the Snowy Valley Preservation

1287
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,240
Alliance Taste of the Valley dinner. Um,

1288
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:37,839
this organization provides vital

1289
00:48:37,839 --> 00:48:39,839
advocacy and support to local farmers

1290
00:48:39,839 --> 00:48:41,520
and this was especially highlighted

1291
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,920
during the devastating December 2025

1292
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,920
flood event. But it was a great event.

1293
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,119
Um, I continue to attend SVGA which is

1294
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:50,960
Snowquali Valley Government Association

1295
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,800
planning meetings as vice president with

1296
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,319
our president Jolene Williams with the

1297
00:48:54,319 --> 00:48:56,800
Snowquali tribe as well as Mayor Miller

1298
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,960
from Northbend and Deputy Mayor Marisan

1299
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,000
from Carnation. the September meeting

1300
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,680
which is going to be in Duvall. I just I

1301
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,160
think we haven't fully connected on that

1302
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,559
but um we're likely going to do roundts

1303
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:10,240
for the cities to discuss their

1304
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:12,640
priorities and that will be a way for us

1305
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,800
to find any overlaps between our cities

1306
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,559
which I'm sure there's a lot and then we

1307
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:18,079
can group together for more effective

1308
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:20,000
advocacy u with the county and the

1309
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,160
state. So if I know what Carnation and

1310
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,000
North Ben and Snow Call me needs when

1311
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,760
I'm talking to legislators I can also

1312
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,400
echo some of those concerns.

1313
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,960
I was reertified for CPR and first aid

1314
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,119
in a class with our emergency management

1315
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:35,359
coordinator, Luke. He has a fantastic

1316
00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:38,000
class. So, if you haven't done it yet

1317
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,160
and next time he has one opening, um,

1318
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,280
just sign up and attend if you can. I

1319
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,960
continue to attend the Sound Cities

1320
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,640
Association board legislative committee

1321
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,599
meetings. Um, and I'm always adding a

1322
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:51,680
small city perspective to the future um,

1323
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,680
advocacy platform.

1324
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,240
I attended the Sound Cities Association

1325
00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:58,240
King County Flood Control District

1326
00:49:58,240 --> 00:49:59,839
Advisory Committee. I think that is the

1327
00:49:59,839 --> 00:50:02,079
longest acronym of a committee I'm in

1328
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:03,599
meeting. We're working on our

1329
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:06,640
recommendation letter to the KCFCD board

1330
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,400
um just around budget and funding and

1331
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,960
all that fun stuff. Mayor Prom Mercer,

1332
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,040
city administrator McNab, and myself met

1333
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,040
with uh the King County Regional

1334
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,400
Representative from the governor's

1335
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,319
office. We had a really productive

1336
00:50:18,319 --> 00:50:20,400
meeting and we covered a ton of topic

1337
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,800
top topics of concern for our city.

1338
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,400
We're using this connection to make

1339
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,000
progress on coordinating the

1340
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,480
intersection signals of West Palmi Road,

1341
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,160
Wooden Buildy Ball Road, which is King

1342
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,559
County, and Highway 203, Wooden Buildy

1343
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:34,319
Ball Road, which is Washdog. Um,

1344
00:50:34,319 --> 00:50:36,160
especially during flooding events. Um,

1345
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,000
we made it clear to them those signals

1346
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,079
do not communicate and just make uh that

1347
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:41,920
worse. We also highlighted some of the

1348
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,480
issues with the main street wooden build

1349
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,400
road intersection, not just accidents

1350
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,480
with the misalignment, but also the

1351
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,079
signal control and that it's very manual

1352
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:51,520
and it would be nice to get some

1353
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,680
attention to that. So, um, he was very

1354
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:54,960
interested in those because they seem

1355
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,800
like they could be quicker fixes. So, I

1356
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,880
was excited about his reaction to that.

1357
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,440
Um, I attended one of our parks advisory

1358
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,280
commission meetings and I spoke to the

1359
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:04,960
commissioners about the purpose of the

1360
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,440
PC as well as some of my hopes for it

1361
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,040
and I'm really excited about their

1362
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,960
enthusiasm and some of the ideas they've

1363
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,040
brought to the table. One of the ones

1364
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,440
I'm especially excited about is re um

1365
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,520
reactivating Big Rock, the small Big

1366
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,599
Rock Park down by Safeway. I think that

1367
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:21,520
would be a really fun thing to see

1368
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,119
happen. Uh, okay. I attended the town

1369
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:27,200
city association north mayor's meeting.

1370
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,040
just the usual what's going on in your

1371
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,119
city and and just some things I there's

1372
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:33,200
a lot of talk about electric motorcycles

1373
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,280
and ebikes and all that fun stuff. So,

1374
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,079
we're all feeling the pain. Um my last

1375
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:40,400
mayor meet up I had was at Two Moon Park

1376
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,079
North. There were a ton of families

1377
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:43,680
there during the day just enjoying the

1378
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,520
park and the weather and it was a great

1379
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,440
setting. And then I've just scheduled

1380
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,079
the rest of the 2026 mayor meetup dates

1381
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:51,520
which reminded me how quickly this year

1382
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,000
is going. Um I attended the cultural

1383
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,760
mission art celebration. So again,

1384
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,400
thanks to Cynthia and Rita for that. You

1385
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,880
do so much work with that and um I just

1386
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:02,160
want to call that out even though I know

1387
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,400
you probably don't want me to, but it's

1388
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:05,760
really important and it just wouldn't

1389
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,520
get done without you. It was really well

1390
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,359
attended uh and it was a great showcase

1391
00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:10,880
of completed works of art and I will

1392
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,400
just lightly touch on it in case this is

1393
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:13,920
in your administrator report, but some

1394
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,440
of the art's still on the walls and

1395
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:16,559
around. I don't know if you're talking

1396
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:18,160
about that. Oh, okay. Well, there was a

1397
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,240
photography contest and it's still up

1398
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:21,920
and you can enjoy it. And then those are

1399
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,240
the new uh little art libraries up in

1400
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:26,480
the front room um that are going to be

1401
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,000
going in a couple different locations in

1402
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,319
the city. I'm really excited about that.

1403
00:52:30,319 --> 00:52:33,119
I attended a SBA mayor's lunchon with

1404
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:35,280
Challenge Seattle that is headed up by

1405
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,280
former Governor Christine Gregoire.

1406
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:38,720
Challenge Seattle is developing a

1407
00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:40,319
playbook for local jurisdictions to

1408
00:52:40,319 --> 00:52:42,079
improve the culture of partnership and

1409
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:43,440
strengthen the Pacific Northwest

1410
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,680
economy. um they're developing this

1411
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,599
playbook and there were a lot of things

1412
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:49,599
in it you'll be pleased to hear that say

1413
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:52,079
this is not a budget line item there are

1414
00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:54,400
a lot of uh free things you know just

1415
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,280
takes my time but um that can be done so

1416
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,200
I'm I'm looking at that and and thinking

1417
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,079
about what I can do in our city alone so

1418
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:03,839
uh city administrator McNav and myself

1419
00:53:03,839 --> 00:53:06,079
met with the Monroe mayor um CUBAC

1420
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:08,160
regarding transportation advocacy that's

1421
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,880
one of her passions and so we're working

1422
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,640
on more coordination between our cities

1423
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,079
and more to come on that But I was

1424
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:15,599
really excited to make that connection

1425
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:17,839
because I think historically we have

1426
00:53:17,839 --> 00:53:21,440
slightly uh interacted but um just new

1427
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,040
administrations and we're excited to

1428
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:24,720
connect and and make some progress on

1429
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:26,880
some things. And then the last thing I

1430
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,960
have is the meeting with uh King County

1431
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,079
Executive Zakali and I will save that um

1432
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:33,839
so I'll have a mini mayor's report for

1433
00:53:33,839 --> 00:53:36,319
the city council meeting.

1434
00:53:36,319 --> 00:53:39,520
>> Thank you. Uh that I will turn it over

1435
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,480
to city administrator McNab for the the

1436
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,880
city administrator update.

1437
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,160
>> Thank you. Um we're going to go in a

1438
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,497
different order tonight.

1439
00:53:50,497 --> 00:53:51,839
[laughter]

1440
00:53:51,839 --> 00:53:55,280
>> Not going to be first L.

1441
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:56,960
>> Um and it's not because Lissa's here.

1442
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,680
The public works is lab. [laughter]

1443
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,319
Cynthia McNab, city administrator, happy

1444
00:54:02,319 --> 00:54:05,520
to write our report. Uh so couple

1445
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,920
things. The parks advisory commission

1446
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,160
launched a community survey this week to

1447
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,040
request feedback on King County's Duval

1448
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,280
Park. So for those of you who don't

1449
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,240
travel south very often, um as soon as

1450
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:20,079
you leave city limits and you're heading

1451
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:22,640
towards Carnation, there's a park on the

1452
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,880
right that is a King County park as

1453
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,319
opposed to a Duval park. Um the uh city

1454
00:54:28,319 --> 00:54:30,960
of Duvall doesn't invest in that. It's

1455
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,119
uh purely King County. So, we're trying

1456
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:35,359
to get feedback from our community that

1457
00:54:35,359 --> 00:54:38,720
we can provide to the executive and King

1458
00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:41,599
County parks on advocating for some

1459
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:44,000
investment in that Duvall park beyond

1460
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,240
basic maintenance. One thing to know

1461
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:48,480
though, it isn't heavily constrained

1462
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,440
with weather. And so while there are a

1463
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,119
lot of things we would love to have as

1464
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:55,680
park amenities in our community, there

1465
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,920
are some things so that as much as we

1466
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,520
may have hopes and dreams that space

1467
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,839
cannot be used for. So it really has to

1468
00:55:01,839 --> 00:55:06,800
be passive recreation at the most, maybe

1469
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:11,280
frisbee or disc golf, but um it really,

1470
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,680
you know, some boardwalks, some trails.

1471
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,880
So, uh, the survey really is asking for

1472
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,160
those passive recreation ideas because

1473
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,160
there's no way that we can do sports

1474
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,720
fields and the county has basically said

1475
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:27,040
those ideas are off the table. So, we're

1476
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,280
looking for other investments that will

1477
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,440
provide an amenity to our community

1478
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,400
since it sits right at our back door.

1479
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,000
Uh, we're finalizing the community

1480
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,079
feedback for the Third Avenue project.

1481
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:41,920
So, we've applied for a transportation

1482
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,200
um improvement board project. We apply

1483
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,480
often. Um we submit Third Avenue for

1484
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,960
that project. The board doesn't love the

1485
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,119
project. Um is what we've been told

1486
00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:54,640
using those words. They don't love our

1487
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,480
project. Um, so we're taking a different

1488
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:57,760
tack this year and we're trying to get

1489
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,760
community feedback to tell the story

1490
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,000
about why Third Avenue is so important

1491
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,280
to our community and also why it meets

1492
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,240
why we believe it meets the program and

1493
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:10,079
we believe it does. So we'll be sending

1494
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:11,520
some of that feedback. We got really

1495
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,960
great response. So, we're going to um

1496
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,119
look through that feedback, provide an

1497
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:19,760
executive summary to send not only um

1498
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,319
with our grant request, but to the board

1499
00:56:22,319 --> 00:56:24,160
who takes a look at the projects and

1500
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,319
selects what projects uh should be

1501
00:56:26,319 --> 00:56:29,200
funded and at what amount.

1502
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,119
I'm meeting with the Riverview School

1503
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:33,760
District next Monday, August 24th, to

1504
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,359
begin discussion about the school

1505
00:56:35,359 --> 00:56:38,000
resource officer background. And as a

1506
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,400
reminder, the funding for that position

1507
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,319
expired on December 31st, 2025. The city

1508
00:56:44,319 --> 00:56:46,319
has been carrying the entire expense for

1509
00:56:46,319 --> 00:56:49,200
the SRO for 2026. So, we just want to

1510
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,160
have a conversation about

1511
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,559
uh funding for the position, future for

1512
00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:56,079
the position. Chief's going to join me

1513
00:56:56,079 --> 00:56:58,480
in that meeting. Thank you, Chief. And

1514
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,040
uh we look forward to that conversation.

1515
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,400
Uh yesterday the Carnation city manager

1516
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,400
Rhonda and I met with the King County

1517
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,440
Housing Authority uh to discuss housing

1518
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,200
inventory and future federal and county

1519
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,920
projects in the snow pali valley. So

1520
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,319
this is not the King County Regional

1521
00:57:16,319 --> 00:57:19,119
Homeless Authority. So that's a separate

1522
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:22,240
entity. This is the King County Housing

1523
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,880
Authority which is not part of King

1524
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,400
County. It's not a department of King

1525
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,440
County. It's a separate well they're not

1526
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,760
a they're a special district but not a

1527
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,000
special taxing district. They don't

1528
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,799
generate taxes but they basically are

1529
00:57:36,799 --> 00:57:40,799
passed through a federal HUD funding for

1530
00:57:40,799 --> 00:57:44,240
um housing projects and uh they had a

1531
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:45,760
map and I'll share at the next council

1532
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:46,799
meeting because I haven't had an

1533
00:57:46,799 --> 00:57:49,680
opportunity to scan it yet. Um they have

1534
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,839
a map of all their projects in King

1535
00:57:51,839 --> 00:57:56,480
County and um interesting to note

1536
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,319
there's not a single Snowquali Valley

1537
00:57:58,319 --> 00:58:01,440
city on the map. So not only are there

1538
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:02,960
no projects out here, we're not even on

1539
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,240
their map. And so the closest that we

1540
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,640
have of one of these programs that is

1541
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,559
federally funded is the new program

1542
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:13,200
that's going in in the city of Isiqua.

1543
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,200
And they have a small senior project

1544
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,680
they said in North Bend. But one, we

1545
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,359
need some calamie valley to be on their

1546
00:58:19,359 --> 00:58:21,920
map and be a area of focus and

1547
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:23,920
attention. So, it's a really good first

1548
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:25,680
conversation. They're going to send us

1549
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,960
some data on how many people in the

1550
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,200
valley access section 8 and some of

1551
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,440
those HUD programs so we can start the

1552
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,920
conversation about how potentially to

1553
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,400
have you know some projects come to the

1554
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,359
valley that support um probably specific

1555
00:58:41,359 --> 00:58:43,040
communities just because we don't have

1556
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,000
the land for you know a big massive HUD

1557
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,079
project but we do have opportunity for a

1558
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:50,000
small senior housing project like the

1559
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,400
one in Carnation and so it was a really

1560
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:53,839
good first conversation we're looking

1561
00:58:53,839 --> 00:58:57,280
forward to continuing that dialogue.

1562
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,079
Uh, next slide.

1563
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:02,480
>> So, uh, I wrote this, but it might be a

1564
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,319
different day. Uh, so we're working with

1565
00:59:04,319 --> 00:59:07,359
the farmers market, uh, to reschedu the

1566
00:59:07,359 --> 00:59:09,839
children's market. So, they've offered

1567
00:59:09,839 --> 00:59:13,280
to host it in conjunction at uh,

1568
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,440
Taylor's Landing with their farmers

1569
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,520
market. Initially, we thought maybe next

1570
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,119
week would work, but it looks like we

1571
00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:21,200
might have to push that into September.

1572
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,440
Um the biggest issue is school will be

1573
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,200
back in session. So we'll need to make

1574
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:29,280
sure that the students can set up uh

1575
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,599
later uh during the farmers market

1576
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:34,880
because farmers market is 3 to 8. So um

1577
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,200
we'll just figure out the logistics, but

1578
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,760
um it's a great partnership. Uh Rita is

1579
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:41,520
meeting at the farmers market tomorrow

1580
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,559
to work through all those logistics.

1581
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:47,520
As a reminder, lunch with the campers is

1582
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,119
tomorrow. if you can make it down to

1583
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:51,200
Depot Park or McCormack Park. I'm not

1584
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,040
quite sure. They said McCormack Park.

1585
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,200
It's traditionally been in depot park,

1586
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,319
but head down to the water where there

1587
00:59:58,319 --> 01:00:01,760
are a bunch of little kids.

1588
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,720
Um I'm in collective bargaining all day

1589
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,079
tomorrow with the Dual Police

1590
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:09,760
Association. So that uh collaboration

1591
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,680
and discussion is continuing with hope

1592
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,359
that we'll have a successor left

1593
01:00:15,359 --> 01:00:17,040
agreement to present to council in the

1594
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,920
next few months. Um on Friday I'm

1595
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,599
meeting with the Sony Valley Senior

1596
01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:23,520
Center to discuss a joint grant we

1597
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,599
received from council member Perry to

1598
01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:28,079
offer senior services in Duval in

1599
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:30,960
Spanish. So it's pilot program. Excited

1600
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,200
about that. I'm going to pause there.

1601
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:34,400
That's the updates and then we'll move

1602
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,160
on to the next slide which kind of a

1603
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,880
different topic

1604
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,520
>> questions.

1605
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:42,960
>> All right.

1606
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,720
>> So wanted to provide some general

1607
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,240
information about public comment. Um had

1608
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,000
a brief discussion with the city

1609
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:54,400
attorney today on just kind of the who,

1610
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,000
what, where's why on how the city of

1611
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,880
Duvall manages public comment. So, we

1612
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,280
follow best practices for receiving and

1613
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,599
considering public comment. Um, our

1614
01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:05,680
public comment procedures have been

1615
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,119
vetted and reviewed by our city

1616
01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:09,599
attorney's office. We continue to look

1617
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:11,920
at guidance from MRC, which is kind of

1618
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:15,200
where all the cities go to for expert uh

1619
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,000
opinions about, you know, anything

1620
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,640
municipal, whether it's public comment.

1621
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,680
And so most of our process for public

1622
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,559
comment has been guided either by

1623
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:30,079
experts from MRC or our city attorney.

1624
01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:33,040
Um just kind of the framework for best

1625
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:36,400
practices are couple key components.

1626
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,799
Public home is considered input to city

1627
01:01:38,799 --> 01:01:41,040
council and decision makers but doesn't

1628
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,280
serve as instruction to staff the mayor

1629
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,200
or city council. And that's how we take

1630
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,440
it. we take it as input and not

1631
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:51,359
instruction to um do a particular thing.

1632
01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:53,599
Uh public comment is considered often

1633
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:56,720
alongside technical anal analysis, legal

1634
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,839
requirements, adopted policies, adopted

1635
01:01:59,839 --> 01:02:02,400
decisions that city council has made,

1636
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,240
staff recommendation and other public

1637
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,720
input received just beyond public

1638
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,240
comment. Um decision makers agree with

1639
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,240
some comments, may agree, may suggest

1640
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,359
modifying a proposal. um they may not

1641
01:02:15,359 --> 01:02:17,359
seek a request a change based on the

1642
01:02:17,359 --> 01:02:20,240
input they receive. And I think it's

1643
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,040
really worth um calling out any motion

1644
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,680
made by city council that's adopted by a

1645
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,720
majority of council that becomes the

1646
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,640
decision and city staff take that

1647
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,280
decision and that guides our actions. So

1648
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,440
if city council has decided something a

1649
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,599
year ago, two years ago and hasn't

1650
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:39,359
changed their mind, city staff will

1651
01:02:39,359 --> 01:02:41,680
proceed with the decision that city

1652
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:45,599
council has made in prior meetings.

1653
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:48,319
Slide. So thinking about what does

1654
01:02:48,319 --> 01:02:51,359
consider mean? Meaning um all public

1655
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:53,760
comment is considered in the context of

1656
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,040
an open agenda item. Um comments become

1657
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:58,799
part of the information that decision

1658
01:02:58,799 --> 01:03:00,559
makers use when they evaluate a

1659
01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:03,520
proposal. Um feedback helps identify

1660
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,280
community concerns, priorities,

1661
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,640
potential impacts of a decision um or a

1662
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,960
decision of council or recommendation um

1663
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,520
from staff for matters before

1664
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,200
commission. So we have a parks, a

1665
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,280
planning, a cultural, we have a library

1666
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:18,480
board, we have a civil service

1667
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,640
commission. The commissioners consider

1668
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,520
input along with staff analysis,

1669
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:25,680
planning requirements and other

1670
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:27,760
information before while they deliberate

1671
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,559
and before making a decision.

1672
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:32,480
um our best practice which we follow at

1673
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,480
city council considers a full record

1674
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,319
when making its final decision. So

1675
01:03:36,319 --> 01:03:38,880
that's why we try to get um all comments

1676
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,760
that we receive by noon um to council so

1677
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,520
you all have it before you make

1678
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,319
decisions on agenda items and then you

1679
01:03:46,319 --> 01:03:47,839
know considering feedback does not mean

1680
01:03:47,839 --> 01:03:50,480
every request to change will be adopted

1681
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,559
and then final decisions will reflect

1682
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:56,000
some all or none of the suggestions and

1683
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,480
comment received.

1684
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,559
So that's the framework we have here in

1685
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:02,480
Duvall.

1686
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,680
And then um I think next slide it's

1687
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,680
worth highlighting because um we're

1688
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:09,200
talking a lot about the comprehensive

1689
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:13,760
plan. So the comprehensive plan actually

1690
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,640
dates back to 2024.

1691
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:20,720
What we're doing now are changes to

1692
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:24,319
zoning that stem from the policies that

1693
01:04:24,319 --> 01:04:26,079
were adopted

1694
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:31,280
by city council back in 2025.

1695
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,559
And so while we continue to have public

1696
01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:37,200
comment on some of the outputs of the

1697
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,520
comprehensive plan, the comprehensive

1698
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,880
plan actually started back in 2023. And

1699
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:47,039
in 2024, a steering committee was formed

1700
01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:49,599
from community members to guide the

1701
01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:53,839
comprehensive plan. And so they kind of

1702
01:04:53,839 --> 01:04:56,960
created the overall intent of the

1703
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:00,000
comprehensive plan as well as the

1704
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,839
general policies that would be included

1705
01:05:01,839 --> 01:05:04,079
in the comprehensive plan. So that

1706
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:06,480
steering committee u met multiple times

1707
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,400
back in 2024

1708
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,920
um and into 2025. Additionally, we had a

1709
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:13,520
separate committee working on the

1710
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,079
housing action plan and they were

1711
01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:20,079
involved in public engagement and um a

1712
01:05:20,079 --> 01:05:21,440
separate committee that developed all

1713
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,440
the housing policies that are also

1714
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,599
informing some of the work we're doing

1715
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:28,160
right now. And so this slide is from

1716
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:29,920
excerpts from the comprehensive plan

1717
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:31,839
that's on our website. If you want to

1718
01:05:31,839 --> 01:05:33,680
look at that public engagement process

1719
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:37,520
that happened back in 2024 and 2025

1720
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,079
along with a timeline of the dates of

1721
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:42,160
some of that public input we had in

1722
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,799
developing the policies that ultimately

1723
01:05:44,799 --> 01:05:49,119
made it into the comprehensive plan.

1724
01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:52,319
Uh, next slide. And then before I turn

1725
01:05:52,319 --> 01:05:55,680
it over to Ail, I just wanted to bring

1726
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:59,119
you a highlight. So, as we've discussed,

1727
01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:01,680
um, zoning is really complicated. It has

1728
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:03,839
a bunch of different components, um,

1729
01:06:03,839 --> 01:06:05,760
within our code on how something gets

1730
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,039
built and what it looks like. So, um,

1731
01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:12,240
there's zoning, which uh, is before

1732
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,960
council and will continue to evolve

1733
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:16,880
through deliberation. There's

1734
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,960
development regulations which is what do

1735
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,480
you do with the lot? How is it

1736
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,480
developed? And then there are design

1737
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,319
standards. And so as we've said for a

1738
01:06:24,319 --> 01:06:26,799
couple meetings, design standards are

1739
01:06:26,799 --> 01:06:30,799
under review. Uh we are at the final

1740
01:06:30,799 --> 01:06:32,880
nits and nats of that draft. But I

1741
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,400
wanted to show you a couple highlights

1742
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,559
so you can kind of think about what's

1743
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:38,799
coming on September 1st at that council

1744
01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:40,960
meeting. So these are a couple excerpts

1745
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:42,751
from the draft.

1746
01:06:42,751 --> 01:06:42,960
>> [clears throat]

1747
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:46,640
>> So what you see here are example images

1748
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:49,280
of different zoning districts. So we're

1749
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,119
providing these pictures and

1750
01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:54,480
architectural drawings uh to developers

1751
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,280
to the residential community so that

1752
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:01,359
people can imagine and see what we

1753
01:07:01,359 --> 01:07:04,400
want to see and do all um so there are

1754
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,880
example images. There's also zoning

1755
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,200
intent. So that says this is the intent

1756
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:12,160
of that zoning district. what we want to

1757
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:15,039
see, what we don't want to see, and then

1758
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:18,559
there is a desired form. So again, these

1759
01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:22,319
speak to giving developers, giving home

1760
01:07:22,319 --> 01:07:25,200
builders direction on the intent of the

1761
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,079
zone, what we want in the zone, examples

1762
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:30,880
of what we um want to see in that zone.

1763
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,079
And this will guide design review and

1764
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:36,240
the hearing examiner's decision whether

1765
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:39,359
to ultimately approve a particular

1766
01:07:39,359 --> 01:07:42,160
project. On the right side you see the

1767
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,799
mixeduse zoning district, some examples

1768
01:07:44,799 --> 01:07:47,599
of what the MU20

1769
01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:50,000
district, the zoning intent, the desired

1770
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,760
form, and then next slide.

1771
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:55,839
And then likewise, those draft design

1772
01:07:55,839 --> 01:07:59,039
guidelines have um the zoning district

1773
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:02,880
for Oldtown and Uptown that describes

1774
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:06,960
the um district, shows examples of what

1775
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,280
will be approved in that district, the

1776
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,839
zoning intent and the desired form that

1777
01:08:11,839 --> 01:08:13,920
we want to see in those different

1778
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,880
districts. And then uh same for Midtown

1779
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,839
and commercial. And so um there's a lot

1780
01:08:19,839 --> 01:08:22,560
more here. This is just two pages of a

1781
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,359
40 plus page document um that has other

1782
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:28,159
architectural renderings. Uh spoiler

1783
01:08:28,159 --> 01:08:29,839
alert, everything in Dubal will have a

1784
01:08:29,839 --> 01:08:34,080
pitch roof. Um so uh just look forward

1785
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,960
to that. We're almost done and looking

1786
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,279
forward to you all seeing kind of these

1787
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:42,000
designed images for uh the city of

1788
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,799
Duval. And with that, I will turn it

1789
01:08:44,799 --> 01:08:48,480
over to Director Bane. Um

1790
01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:51,279
>> good evening everybody. uh director

1791
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:53,279
meeting with the department of painting

1792
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:55,040
de development. Wanted to give you an

1793
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:56,719
update on some projects that are

1794
01:08:56,719 --> 01:08:59,679
currently under review. Um so the Duval

1795
01:08:59,679 --> 01:09:03,440
mosque has now submitted um building

1796
01:09:03,440 --> 01:09:05,520
permit applications for the support

1797
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:07,679
building that's across from uh the

1798
01:09:07,679 --> 01:09:11,679
mosque. Um so these are moving ahead.

1799
01:09:11,679 --> 01:09:14,400
The applicant has been working through

1800
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,159
corrections. They are looking to do

1801
01:09:16,159 --> 01:09:19,279
phased construction where um in order to

1802
01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:21,679
keep things moving along um they are

1803
01:09:21,679 --> 01:09:23,920
pursuing doing a foundationon permit

1804
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:25,520
first so they can get that ground work

1805
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,440
started while they finish up the

1806
01:09:27,440 --> 01:09:29,359
structural review for the building so

1807
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:32,319
that it can um have fewer fits and

1808
01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:34,719
scopes through the construction process.

1809
01:09:34,719 --> 01:09:38,400
Um we don't have uh so the mosque is

1810
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:39,920
considered building A, the support

1811
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,640
building in blue is building B and then

1812
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:44,080
the commercial building in the lower

1813
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:45,679
left hand color. We've been referring to

1814
01:09:45,679 --> 01:09:47,359
that as building C. We haven't seen

1815
01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:49,120
application yet for building C, but

1816
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:50,560
we've been told that they should be

1817
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:54,159
coming within the new. Um any questions

1818
01:09:54,159 --> 01:09:57,040
about the month?

1819
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,360
Next slide, please.

1820
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,560
Um the Jane Society uh went through its

1821
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,480
design review with a planning commission

1822
01:10:04,480 --> 01:10:08,320
as the design review board. Um they did

1823
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:12,480
request um some partial requests for the

1824
01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:16,159
um the articulation of the of the

1825
01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:19,679
elevation. Um and this is very common

1826
01:10:19,679 --> 01:10:22,400
with any of the

1827
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:24,880
religious assembly buildings that have

1828
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,360
been proposed in Dubal just because you

1829
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:29,679
have a larger building than like a mole

1830
01:10:29,679 --> 01:10:31,520
residence. Um so this is a common

1831
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:35,760
departure request. Um and the applicant

1832
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,400
has been very responsive to uh

1833
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,400
corrections from staff. So now that we

1834
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,400
have the recommen recommendation and

1835
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,040
approval from planning commission, um

1836
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:46,800
staff is now working with the applicants

1837
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,440
to get a hearing scheduled with a

1838
01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:51,679
hearing. Thanks Sam.

1839
01:10:51,679 --> 01:10:54,159
Any questions?

1840
01:10:54,159 --> 01:10:55,679
>> Okay.

1841
01:10:55,679 --> 01:10:58,000
>> Um I had sort of a question. Uh it's not

1842
01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,760
up there but I was curious if there was

1843
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:01,520
any updates

1844
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,520
I happy to follow with you after

1845
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,719
afterwards um on the new all village

1846
01:11:06,719 --> 01:11:09,760
commercial pad properly if there was any

1847
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:10,880
sort of

1848
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:12,560
>> yes that's

1849
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:13,679
>> or did I go ahead

1850
01:11:13,679 --> 01:11:18,320
>> no no no um I was I was focusing on

1851
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,560
these

1852
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:22,960
get through the slides and then I can

1853
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:26,080
yeah next slide please

1854
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:29,360
um an application that just came in um

1855
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:30,880
is

1856
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:32,400
titled the Valley View Mixuse

1857
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:38,640
Development. This is just north of the

1858
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,440
um Copperhouse Way. Thank you.

1859
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:44,080
>> Where are the safe? Oh, the subway. Um

1860
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:48,080
so close to our lovely water.

1861
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:51,280
Um so this site is challenged with a lot

1862
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,520
of topography. It's like a 40 foot of

1863
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:56,000
elevation change from Main Street up to

1864
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,719
the rear of the property. Um so

1865
01:11:58,719 --> 01:12:01,760
initially there's been a fairly creative

1866
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,880
um design to to try to work these

1867
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:08,960
buildings terracing up um along the

1868
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:13,120
slope. There is a proposal for um

1869
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:16,400
commercial down at the lowest level

1870
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,719
along Main Street. So there is that sort

1871
01:12:18,719 --> 01:12:22,320
of activation. So the initial concept

1872
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:24,960
We like mixed use. We want that um

1873
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:26,719
street friendship activation. We need

1874
01:12:26,719 --> 01:12:29,760
more retail. Um so it's a good starting

1875
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,600
point.

1876
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:36,159
It'll it'll get a ball. Um so so yes. So

1877
01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:37,520
this came in and we'll be going through

1878
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,880
the review process. The Duval

1879
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:45,280
Village/Main Street development um is

1880
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:50,880
under review. There have been um

1881
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:52,400
it

1882
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,120
it's a complicated construction when you

1883
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,840
have vertical mixed use and you have

1884
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:01,120
occupancies of either like business

1885
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,360
mercantile retail on the bottom with the

1886
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,280
residential above. There's a lot of

1887
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,440
building code about fire separations and

1888
01:13:07,440 --> 01:13:11,920
things like that. And when you have um a

1889
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,640
design group that is more experienced

1890
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,280
with residential than with commercial,

1891
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:18,480
then there's like a bit of a learning

1892
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:20,640
curve to try to get the commercial of

1893
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:22,560
them seen as the residential component.

1894
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:24,400
So there's just been like a few snags

1895
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:26,480
trying to get

1896
01:13:26,480 --> 01:13:28,560
compliance with the building code for

1897
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:32,560
that commercial of the project. So we're working through it. Um we're

1898
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:36,640
working with the applicant. Um and the

1899
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:38,640
goal is to get there. Yeah, that's

1900
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,000
really all I was looking for that it's

1901
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,080
in process.

1902
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:44,159
Thank you.

1903
01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:46,960
>> Council member Olen,

1904
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:49,679
>> I just want to confirm. So, this is the

1905
01:13:49,679 --> 01:13:52,400
east side of the street kind of near

1906
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:55,840
where Duvall Villages is. Is Is any of

1907
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:59,600
this scheduled to be below 80% AMI or

1908
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:01,760
below?

1909
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:04,320
>> Are you referring to the Valley view

1910
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:05,120
mixed?

1911
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:08,400
>> Yeah, the Valley view. Yes. So this is

1912
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,480
just north of Copper Hill on the east

1913
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:13,440
side of Maine. I forget the cross

1914
01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:15,760
nearest Kennedy nearest cross street of

1915
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:17,760
Kennedy. So just out of Kennedy.

1916
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:19,920
>> Um

1917
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,800
this is just in site plan review. We

1918
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:26,080
haven't looked at um

1919
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:27,760
affordability at all. There's nothing in

1920
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,400
the narrative stating that there would

1921
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:34,320
be um

1922
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:35,840
>> and we don't have code. Yeah, we don't

1923
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,480
have code today to require it or to

1924
01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:40,480
incentivize it. So, because they are

1925
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:42,000
vested to the regulations that are in

1926
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:45,199
place, um when they submitted on August,

1927
01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:47,360
they would be subject to those

1928
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:51,280
regulations. Um

1929
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,440
yes, they have a complete application.

1930
01:14:53,440 --> 01:14:55,520
Um when it comes to vesting, an

1931
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,520
applicant can stick with whatever is

1932
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,000
vested to them that day of a complete

1933
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,199
application. An applicant has the uh

1934
01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:06,480
legal right to forego all vesting to

1935
01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:09,199
whatever regulations are in place of

1936
01:15:09,199 --> 01:15:11,679
whatever day they say I give up my

1937
01:15:11,679 --> 01:15:15,040
vesting and I want the day's regulation.

1938
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,120
I have yet to see someone do that but

1939
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,280
it's always within their due process to

1940
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:24,800
assess it. Um, but so far

1941
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,840
>> I understand legally they can

1942
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:30,800
comply with with the current kind of

1943
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:34,000
former zoning. Um, I wonder if via a

1944
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,239
conversation we could incentivize them

1945
01:15:36,239 --> 01:15:40,000
to incorporate some 80% or below AMI

1946
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,120
just given that's the ultimate goal of

1947
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,520
what we're trying to accomplish.

1948
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:53,430
>> We can always

1949
01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:55,360
Thank you.

1950
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,199
>> All right, we'll turn it over to our

1951
01:15:57,199 --> 01:15:59,520
public works director. Uh good evening,

1952
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:01,760
council, mayor, members of the public.

1953
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,159
Uh Lorisa Grundell public works. I'm

1954
01:16:04,159 --> 01:16:05,520
just going to go over a couple of things

1955
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:09,679
we're working on currently. Uh so the

1956
01:16:09,679 --> 01:16:12,080
2.2 million gallon water tank, we have

1957
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:14,719
our booster pump station there. Um, pump

1958
01:16:14,719 --> 01:16:16,960
two, we have three pumps that help us

1959
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:18,880
with fire flow or if we need a demand or

1960
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,600
something that arises um during the day.

1961
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:25,280
So, uh, pump two was, uh, serviced, it

1962
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:26,960
was removed from the system. All the

1963
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:28,320
bearings, everything was serviced.

1964
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:30,719
That's complete. It was reinstalled, and

1965
01:16:30,719 --> 01:16:32,719
pump three is now being removed for

1966
01:16:32,719 --> 01:16:34,640
service. Um, and these are some

1967
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:36,400
pictures. They took it out through the

1968
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,640
roof. They're huge pumps, but it's

1969
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:42,800
really neat. Next slide.

1970
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,840
Uh currently, uh PSSE has submitted

1971
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:48,640
their rideway permits for their um

1972
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:51,520
upcharge electric vehicle chargers. Um

1973
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:52,960
so those are kind of in review, just

1974
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:54,880
making sure we get the right details on

1975
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,360
the plans and um there's some changes

1976
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:59,440
that need to happen with reading on in

1977
01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:02,480
the parking lot of the depot. Um but the

1978
01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:04,640
two the two spots are right out here in

1979
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:07,440
front of the visitor center for two and

1980
01:17:07,440 --> 01:17:10,159
that's the top picture and then um at

1981
01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:14,000
depot park uh it's the

1982
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,920
norththeast corner kind of there's a uh

1983
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,560
the metro van parking stall will be

1984
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:22,239
relocated and and those two will go

1985
01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:27,679
right there. Um next slide.

1986
01:17:27,679 --> 01:17:30,000
Um, so a little update on our proposed

1987
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,640
acquisition for the Big Rock Ball Field.

1988
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,120
Um, so the grant results, uh, King

1989
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,280
County, uh, conservation futures was the

1990
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:39,760
grant that we went after. Um, the board

1991
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,880
recommends, uh, just over 700,000 for

1992
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:46,480
land purchase and, um, just over 18,000

1993
01:17:46,480 --> 01:17:48,719
for site stabilization

1994
01:17:48,719 --> 01:17:50,560
um, to acquire this piece. And that's

1995
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,640
the red highlighted piece. So,

1996
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,199
congratulations to the city. Uh we went

1997
01:17:55,199 --> 01:17:57,520
from just under 10 acres to over 30

1998
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:01,920
acres of park. Um so and this red one is

1999
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:03,360
the one that we're focused on right now.

2000
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:07,679
And that'll get us to 40 uh 42.4 acres

2001
01:18:07,679 --> 01:18:11,440
not including the proposed MOC lots.

2002
01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:13,840
Uh next slide.

2003
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,719
So operations. Uh currently you've

2004
01:18:16,719 --> 01:18:18,320
probably seen the doctor truck out in

2005
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:20,400
town needing catch beans. We're wrapping

2006
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:23,280
that work up. Um they were out on Valley

2007
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:27,679
Street today um uh just north of the or

2008
01:18:27,679 --> 01:18:31,120
east of the Thai uh restaurant. Um some

2009
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,040
video inspections found some broken

2010
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:35,679
concrete pipes. Some it was smashed. So

2011
01:18:35,679 --> 01:18:37,679
the crew had that open today. We got to

2012
01:18:37,679 --> 01:18:39,600
the bathroom truck to expose it and

2013
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,120
we're going to fix those uh pipe

2014
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,600
sections. It's really shallow pipe too.

2015
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:46,480
Extremely shallow but it is concrete. Um

2016
01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:47,760
so that's what they were working on

2017
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:52,080
today. Um next slide.

2018
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,719
current projects for parks, I believe.

2019
01:18:54,719 --> 01:18:56,480
Well, all the crew is doing it, but the

2020
01:18:56,480 --> 01:18:58,320
new art panels are up on Main Street.

2021
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:00,159
And these are a couple pictures of the

2022
01:19:00,159 --> 01:19:02,800
crew doing what they do.

2023
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:06,390
Next slide.

2024
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:08,719
» And then we completed the installation

2025
01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:11,600
of an 8 in water meter um at the Big

2026
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:13,280
Rock Ball Fields. We replaced the water

2027
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:16,080
meter that was there. Um it wasn't

2028
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:19,520
functioning right, extremely old. Um,

2029
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:21,520
our water lead did a great job. He

2030
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:24,239
installed this by himself.

2031
01:19:24,239 --> 01:19:26,500
>> It was quite a quite a day for him. Um,

2032
01:19:26,500 --> 01:19:27,120
[laughter]

2033
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:29,120
but we got it in.

2034
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:33,669
>> Next slide. I think

2035
01:19:33,679 --> 01:19:35,679
» questions, comments.

2036
01:19:35,679 --> 01:19:36,480
>> I have one.

2037
01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:38,719
>> I know we're getting close on time, but

2038
01:19:38,719 --> 01:19:41,120
uh, how like how shallow was the even

2039
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:42,800
though concrete pipe, how deep should it

2040
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,760
be and like how shallow was it? Um, we

2041
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:48,719
want to keep all pipe at least two feet

2042
01:19:48,719 --> 01:19:53,120
deep. Okay. Yeah. Right. Um, it is

2043
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,120
probably

2044
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:58,080
less than six inches under the house.

2045
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:00,640
>> So, um, it's it's really shallow and it

2046
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,840
was pieced together um,

2047
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,480
prior to 1995.

2048
01:20:06,480 --> 01:20:08,239
>> I don't know if it was the city that did

2049
01:20:08,239 --> 01:20:12,880
it. I'm sure I could call Fisher and ask

2050
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:14,719
him. Um

2051
01:20:14,719 --> 01:20:16,640
>> but yeah, it looked like there was some

2052
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:19,280
of the metal corrugated pipe that used

2053
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:22,640
to go uh just under the driveway access

2054
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:24,400
and then there was open ditches and then

2055
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:26,560
those ditches closed to have that

2056
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:28,800
parking paved over it. And in order to

2057
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:30,880
do that,

2058
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:32,719
whether it was the city at the time or

2059
01:20:32,719 --> 01:20:34,560
the adjacent property owners, however

2060
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:37,360
that happened, um pieces of concrete

2061
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,320
pipe were just kind of put together and

2062
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,880
then paved over.

2063
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:46,719
So yeah,

2064
01:20:46,719 --> 01:20:50,070
>> council member.

2065
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,560
» So I wanted to ask about the the design

2066
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:58,080
standards and if the proper answer

2067
01:20:58,080 --> 01:20:59,280
yourself

2068
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:00,880
>> sorry about that I was trying to lower

2069
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:04,239
my hand. Uh okay. So if if the

2070
01:21:04,239 --> 01:21:05,760
appropriate answer to this question is

2071
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:08,239
wait till September 1st and I'll see

2072
01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:11,840
then then that's fine. Um, but director,

2073
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:14,320
let's see, administrator McNabby, you

2074
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:16,400
had said that that in the in the design

2075
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:19,280
standards, we're we're showing some of

2076
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:22,400
these mockups of of what the city is is

2077
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:25,120
delivering to developers or intends to

2078
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,760
deliver developers to kind of guide them

2079
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,400
in in what these buildings what we would

2080
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:32,800
like to see. And that is something that,

2081
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:34,480
for example, the hearing examiner will

2082
01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:39,280
look at in considering if something is compliant with what we're trying to

2083
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:41,920
accomplish. So I guess what my question

2084
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:47,189
is is

2085
01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:48,880
where where does objectivity and

2086
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:50,800
subjectivity fall into play with that?

2087
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:52,719
you know, at what point do they say,

2088
01:21:52,719 --> 01:21:55,199
"Yeah, I mean, is it is it just about

2089
01:21:55,199 --> 01:21:58,480
the sloped roof, you know, or or is it,

2090
01:21:58,480 --> 01:22:01,040
you know, if if it's if it's 45 ft and

2091
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:04,400
it has a slope roof, is it compliant or

2092
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:06,719
so, you know, where does where does one

2093
01:22:06,719 --> 01:22:08,880
where does objectivity end and

2094
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:11,679
subjectivity begin?" And I I guess I

2095
01:22:11,679 --> 01:22:14,239
somewhat asked that in light of some of

2096
01:22:14,239 --> 01:22:16,560
well, other pictures I've seen floating

2097
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,639
around and and things like that. I'm I'm

2098
01:22:18,639 --> 01:22:21,600
just curious how how rigorous these

2099
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:24,159
design standards are to what will have

2100
01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:26,800
to be.

2101
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:31,600
>> They're rigorous. So they are uh not

2102
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:34,400
just subjectively what the community

2103
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:38,000
what we expect but objectively what

2104
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,000
buildings can be built from a design

2105
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,480
perspective in Duval

2106
01:22:42,480 --> 01:22:46,400
and um Lisser Emerald do you have other

2107
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:47,840
>> so part of the reason why we are

2108
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:49,440
bringing we're going to be bringing

2109
01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:52,159
these um design standards forward is

2110
01:22:52,159 --> 01:22:54,239
because of state legislation stating

2111
01:22:54,239 --> 01:22:56,560
that these standards do need to be

2112
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,120
objective in nature and not subjective

2113
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:02,800
in nature. So, it's more about um

2114
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,280
there's it it's going to be like

2115
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:07,440
subscriptive design like you either meet

2116
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:10,960
the standard or you don't. And so, um

2117
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:13,360
it's not about do I like it? Is it

2118
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:19,040
pretty? If is it is it meeting um like

2119
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:21,920
is the slope of the roof correct? Is the

2120
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,080
articulation of the wall correct? Is

2121
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:26,960
there enough window treatment on an

2122
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:29,679
elevation? Is an orientation of a

2123
01:23:29,679 --> 01:23:33,040
pedestrian pathway in the correct spot?

2124
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,840
Um, are things being stepped back? So,

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01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:37,360
there's there are there different

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01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:39,360
material that different parts of a

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01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:42,320
building. So, it the idea is that each

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01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:44,960
standard would have effectively a a yes

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01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,040
or no. Are you doing it or are you not

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01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,360
or is the project doing this or is it

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01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:51,360
not? And if it's not, you're not in

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01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,120
compliance. we're not going to be

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01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:55,600
recommending approval. Um so hopefully

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01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:57,679
uh and by having the pictures we're

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01:23:57,679 --> 01:24:01,120
establishing the expectation that um

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01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:03,840
this is what we are looking to see. So

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01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:06,880
that way the a developer can't come in

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01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:08,560
and say oh I didn't know you wanted it

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01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,520
to be this pretty. We set it up like

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01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:14,800
look so the pictures themselves are not

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01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:20,000
um the legal requirement but they are to establish

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01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:21,840
this is what we're looking for. This is

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01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:23,920
the quality that we're looking for. So,

2144
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:25,520
please don't waste your time and our

2145
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,840
time with something that is left.

2146
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,239
>> Yeah. Or a design that is not

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01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:32,400
incorporated in one of the images or the

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01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:33,760
standards.

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01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:35,199
>> And I know this is going to be touched

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01:24:35,199 --> 01:24:37,360
on a little bit on the the presentation.

2151
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,120
You're going to have the meeting. So,

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01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:40,560
I'm just looking at the clock and I want

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01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:41,679
to make sure that we have a break

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01:24:41,679 --> 01:24:43,440
between meetings. So, I'm going to

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01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:47,840
actually defer council reports until the meeting. mayor can give their update

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01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:49,600
and then if there's additional sounds

2157
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:50,560
like there might be an additional

2158
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:52,159
opportunity for questions around this

2159
01:24:52,159 --> 01:24:53,920
particular issue a little bit on your

2160
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:55,600
old pound there there's a presentation

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01:24:55,600 --> 01:25:00,149
as well if that's okay council member

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01:25:00,159 --> 01:25:03,199
» so with that I will call the committee

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01:25:03,199 --> 01:25:06,320
of the whole workshop to a close at 6:56

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01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,719
p.m. and if we can come back maybe at

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01:25:08,719 --> 01:25:10,080
two minutes after

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01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:12,320
>> close to seven as we can but we might go

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01:25:12,320 --> 01:33:09,430
a couple minutes over

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Order of the city council meeting at

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7:04 p.m. please rise for the flag.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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01:33:19,679 --> 01:33:22,159
United States of America and to the

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01:33:22,159 --> 01:33:25,120
republic for which it stands one nation

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01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:28,000
under God indivisible with liberty and

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01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:30,880
justice for

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01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:35,750
>> can you please take the role for

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01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:36,320
Mercer

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01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:40,239
>> here. Council member Olen here.

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>> Council member

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01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:46,080
>> uh here. Council member Wiggins

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01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:47,440
>> here.

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01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:48,880
>> Council member Hernandez

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01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:49,920
>> here.

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01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:51,840
>> Okay, we have a quorum. Thank you. Are

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01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:53,679
there any additions or corrections to

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01:33:53,679 --> 01:33:55,600
the agenda? Mayor for Thummer.

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01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:58,080
>> Uh yeah, I propose to add a second

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01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:01,360
public comment period after section M

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01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:06,239
close session uh on the agenda. Second.

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01:34:06,239 --> 01:34:09,199
>> Okay. Um any other additions or

2190
01:34:09,199 --> 01:34:11,360
corrections to the agenda?

2191
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:13,280
And I'm not hearing any objections to

2192
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:16,480
that proposal by Mayor Pam Mercer. So,

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01:34:16,480 --> 01:34:19,600
do I have a motion to approve the uh

2194
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:22,400
amended council agenda?

2195
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:24,560
>> So, move seconded.

2196
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:26,400
>> All those in favor say I.

2197
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:27,440
>> I.

2198
01:34:27,440 --> 01:34:29,840
>> All those opposed. All those opposed say

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01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:32,320
no. All right. The agenda is adopted.

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01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:34,159
Next up, we have proclamations and we

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01:34:34,159 --> 01:34:38,550
have two this evening.

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01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:40,639
First, we have National Emergency

2203
01:34:40,639 --> 01:34:43,440
Management Awareness Month. Whereas

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01:34:43,440 --> 01:34:45,199
emergency management professionals serve

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01:34:45,199 --> 01:34:48,800
247 365 as chief risk advisers and

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01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:50,800
problem solvers, connecting regional

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01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:52,480
resources, building resilience, and

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01:34:52,480 --> 01:34:54,080
coordinating crisis response and

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01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:56,159
recovery. And whereas the city of Duvall

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01:34:56,159 --> 01:34:58,239
and the Snomi Valley face unique local

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01:34:58,239 --> 01:35:00,159
hazards, including severe river

2212
01:35:00,159 --> 01:35:03,120
flooding, winter storms, prolonged power

2213
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:05,679
outages, and wildland urban fires. And

2214
01:35:05,679 --> 01:35:07,440
whereas effective disaster readiness

2215
01:35:07,440 --> 01:35:09,520
relies on seamless collaboration between

2216
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:11,280
city leadership, public safety

2217
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:12,719
personnel, regional partners, and

2218
01:35:12,719 --> 01:35:14,480
dedicated volunteers like Snow Valley

2219
01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:16,719
SERT. And whereas emergency management

2220
01:35:16,719 --> 01:35:19,120
extends far beyond disaster response to

2221
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:22,000
encompass continuous mitigation training

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01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:23,920
and risk reduction that protects lives,

2223
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:26,239
homes, and critical infrastructure. And

2224
01:35:26,239 --> 01:35:27,760
whereas the residents and leadership at

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01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:29,040
Duvall expressed their heartfelt

2226
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:31,199
gratitude to our emergency managers and

2227
01:35:31,199 --> 01:35:32,800
community volunteers for their steady

2228
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:34,320
leadership and behind the-scenes

2229
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:36,080
dedication. And whereas National

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01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:37,679
Emergency Management Awareness Month

2231
01:35:37,679 --> 01:35:39,280
observed annually in August under the

2232
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:40,400
leadership of the International

2233
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:43,840
Association of Emergency Managers AEM

2234
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,280
highlights the essential role these

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01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:47,679
professionals play in public safety. And

2236
01:35:47,679 --> 01:35:49,600
whereas the community resilience depends

2237
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:51,679
on proactive household preparedness and

2238
01:35:51,679 --> 01:35:53,199
the city encourages all residents to

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01:35:53,199 --> 01:35:55,199
build emergency kits, make response

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01:35:55,199 --> 01:35:57,360
plans, and sign up for local alerts. And

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01:35:57,360 --> 01:35:59,199
whereas the city of Duval continues to

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01:35:59,199 --> 01:36:01,280
grow, integrating proactive emergency

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01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:03,360
management into municipal planning in

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01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:04,719
infrastructure and community

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01:36:04,719 --> 01:36:06,400
partnerships ensures a safer, more

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01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:08,880
resilient future for all generations.

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01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:10,719
Now therefore, I, Amy McHenry, mayor of

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01:36:10,719 --> 01:36:12,480
the city of Duval, hereby proclaim

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01:36:12,480 --> 01:36:15,040
August 2026 as National Emergency

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01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:16,480
Management Awareness Month in the city

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01:36:16,480 --> 01:36:18,320
of Duval, Washington, and urge all

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01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:19,760
residents to recognize the vital

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01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:21,120
contributions of our emergency

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01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:22,719
management team and take steps to

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01:36:22,719 --> 01:36:23,840
prepare their families and

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01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:26,159
neighborhoods.

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01:36:26,159 --> 01:36:28,239
And then last, we have Women's Equality

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01:36:28,239 --> 01:36:31,520
Day. Whereas on August 26, 1920, the

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01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:33,120
19th amendment to the United States

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01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:34,880
Constitution was officially certified,

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01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:36,639
securing for women the constitutional

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01:36:36,639 --> 01:36:38,639
right to vote and marking a monumental

2263
01:36:38,639 --> 01:36:40,480
milestone in the ongoing pursuit of

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01:36:40,480 --> 01:36:42,800
civil rights and equality. And whereas

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01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:44,400
the ratification of the 19th Amendment

2266
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:45,920
was achieved through decades of tireless

2267
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:48,080
advocacy, courage, and determination by

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01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:49,920
suffragists across the nation and within

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01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:51,920
Washington state, which proudly granted

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01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:54,000
women the right to vote in 1910, a

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01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:55,920
decade prior to the federal amendment.

2272
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:57,520
And whereas while the 19th amendment

2273
01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:00,000
established vital legal protections, the

2274
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:01,520
historic struggle for true voter

2275
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:03,119
equality continued for many women,

2276
01:37:03,119 --> 01:37:04,400
particularly women of color,

2277
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:05,920
highlighting the ongoing responsibility

2278
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:08,880
to protect and expand democratic access

2279
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:10,960
for all citizens. And whereas the city

2280
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:12,560
of Duval recognizes that the full

2281
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:15,040
participation, leadership, and diverse

2282
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:16,639
talents of women are essential to the

2283
01:37:16,639 --> 01:37:18,239
strength, innovation, and vibrant

2284
01:37:18,239 --> 01:37:20,080
character of our community. And whereas

2285
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:21,600
women in Dubal serve as prominent

2286
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:23,679
leaders across every sector, governing

2287
01:37:23,679 --> 01:37:25,440
as elected officials, excelling as

2288
01:37:25,440 --> 01:37:26,880
business owners, serving as first

2289
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:28,639
responders, educating our youth,

2290
01:37:28,639 --> 01:37:30,719
directing nonprofits, and enriching our

2291
01:37:30,719 --> 01:37:32,880
civic life. And whereas Women's Equality

2292
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:35,440
Day, designated by Congress in 1971,

2293
01:37:35,440 --> 01:37:37,199
serves not only as a day to celebrate

2294
01:37:37,199 --> 01:37:39,920
past achievements, but also as a call to

2295
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:42,080
action to address remaining disparities

2296
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:44,159
and foster equitable opportunities in

2297
01:37:44,159 --> 01:37:45,600
leadership, compensation, and

2298
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:48,080
representation. And whereas the city of

2299
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:49,679
as the city of Duvall looks to the

2300
01:37:49,679 --> 01:37:51,119
future, we remain dedicated to

2301
01:37:51,119 --> 01:37:52,800
empowering women and young girls,

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01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:54,400
ensuring they have equal access to

2303
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:56,800
resources, mentorship, and opportunities

2304
01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:58,400
to shape the future of our city and

2305
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:00,800
region. Now therefore, I, Amy McHenry,

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01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:02,080
mayor of the city of Duval, hereby

2307
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:04,800
proclaim August 26, 2026 as Women's

2308
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:07,040
Equality Day in the city of Duval,

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01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:08,639
Washington, and urge all residents to

2310
01:38:08,639 --> 01:38:10,800
reflect on the historical journey toward

2311
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:12,560
equality, celebrate the leadership and

2312
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:14,239
contributions of women in our community,

2313
01:38:14,239 --> 01:38:16,239
and continue supporting full equity,

2314
01:38:16,239 --> 01:38:19,280
equality for all.

2315
01:38:19,280 --> 01:38:21,920
>> Okay, next up, we have comments from the

2316
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:24,239
audience. Um, this meeting was noticed

2317
01:38:24,239 --> 01:38:26,159
with 30 total minutes allotted for

2318
01:38:26,159 --> 01:38:28,000
public comments with the amendment to

2319
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:30,480
our agenda tonight. Mayor Pat Mercer

2320
01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:32,639
added that we will reopen public

2321
01:38:32,639 --> 01:38:34,800
comments at the end of the our agenda

2322
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:37,520
after the close session which I think is

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01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:40,880
letter M on the agenda. So I will now

2324
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:43,440
read our

2325
01:38:43,440 --> 01:38:45,280
uh bit for this. So during the

2326
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:47,119
designated public commentary period at

2327
01:38:47,119 --> 01:38:48,800
city council meetings, individuals are

2328
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:50,880
allotted three minutes to speak while

2329
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:52,639
representatives of organizations may

2330
01:38:52,639 --> 01:38:54,239
address the council for up to five

2331
01:38:54,239 --> 01:38:56,159
minutes. Before presenting, kindly

2332
01:38:56,159 --> 01:38:57,920
disclose your full name and city of

2333
01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:00,239
residents. Each speaker and all remarks

2334
01:39:00,239 --> 01:39:01,679
shall be addressed to the city council

2335
01:39:01,679 --> 01:39:04,320
as a body and not to individual members

2336
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:06,560
of council or staff. The city strongly

2337
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:08,320
advises submitting verbal comments in

2338
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:09,840
writing to expedite subsequent

2339
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:12,000
correspondence. Written comments must be

2340
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:13,600
received by the city clerk's office by

2341
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:15,360
noon on the meeting day addressed to PO

2342
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:18,719
Box 1300 Uval Washington 98019 or

2343
01:39:18,719 --> 01:39:20,480
deposited at the city hall dropbox

2344
01:39:20,480 --> 01:39:23,360
located at 15535 Main Street Northeast

2345
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:25,520
or by email. Please be aware that the

2346
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:27,040
city council is formed and its

2347
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:29,600
commissions accept public comments only

2348
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:31,600
from inerson attendees at the meeting.

2349
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:33,600
The council does not accept handouts or

2350
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:35,040
printed material during the public

2351
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:37,600
commentary session. Information intended

2352
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:39,360
for the mayor or city council shall be

2353
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:40,880
directed to the city clerk who will

2354
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:42,480
disseminate it following the submitter's

2355
01:39:42,480 --> 01:39:44,800
instructions. Upon receipt, the city

2356
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:46,159
clerk will receive written public

2357
01:39:46,159 --> 01:39:48,080
comments and subsequently furnish them

2358
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:49,600
to the city council or the relevant

2359
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:51,360
board or commission. However, it's

2360
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:52,960
important to note that written comments

2361
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:54,800
will not be orally presented during the

2362
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:56,400
council or applicable board or

2363
01:39:56,400 --> 01:39:58,239
commission meetings. Any written

2364
01:39:58,239 --> 01:39:59,840
comments received after the noon

2365
01:39:59,840 --> 01:40:01,360
deadline for written comments will be

2366
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:02,800
shared with the council at the next

2367
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:04,480
council meeting as a part of the city

2368
01:40:04,480 --> 01:40:06,639
clerk's report. And let me look at our

2369
01:40:06,639 --> 01:40:08,080
list we have here.

2370
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:09,440
>> So I think one thing we want to make

2371
01:40:09,440 --> 01:40:10,159
sure

2372
01:40:10,159 --> 01:40:12,480
>> we do have yes we do have a public

2373
01:40:12,480 --> 01:40:14,080
hearing tonight. So I just want to make

2374
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:16,639
sure when I call on you what is open now

2375
01:40:16,639 --> 01:40:18,719
is the comments from the audience which

2376
01:40:18,719 --> 01:40:21,520
can be about any category. Um there's

2377
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:23,040
also a public hearing. So if you're here

2378
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:24,719
to speak on the public hearing later in

2379
01:40:24,719 --> 01:40:26,880
the agenda you would want to wait until

2380
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:29,600
that is all on the sign code. Yeah. Um

2381
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:31,119
so that'll come up later in the agenda

2382
01:40:31,119 --> 01:40:33,679
if that's what you wish to speak on. So

2383
01:40:33,679 --> 01:40:35,520
let me look at our list here. where to

2384
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:38,719
go and find it yet. So, first one. Oh.

2385
01:40:38,719 --> 01:40:41,119
>> Oh, I see. Yep. Okay. I was looking at

2386
01:40:41,119 --> 01:40:44,320
the wrong phone. First up, we have David

2387
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:46,080
Forn from Duvall. I don't know if he's

2388
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:48,080
still here. I know you're

2389
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:48,800
>> the wrong box.

2390
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:52,080
>> Okay. Are you good or Okay, you had your

2391
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:53,840
moment. Okay.

2392
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:56,880
>> Um I can't quite I see Elijah on here. I

2393
01:40:56,880 --> 01:40:58,400
can't tell if that is a yes. So, I

2394
01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:00,639
wanted to check in if Okay. Go ahead and

2395
01:41:00,639 --> 01:41:21,830
approach the podium. Thank you.

2396
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:25,280
Today I rise um on behalf of the Stwami

2397
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:26,960
Valley Transit Writers Coalition. I do

2398
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:29,760
not request any more time as presented.

2399
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:32,880
I My name is Elijah Vincent. I am the

2400
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:34,480
leader of the Stalami Valley Transit

2401
01:41:34,480 --> 01:41:37,840
Riders Coalition and today I am

2402
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:40,000
discussing the Brown Avenue Northeast

2403
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:42,880
Richardson Street and that is a huge one

2404
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:46,000
here. As the as the city grows, we must

2405
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:48,239
ensure that we have adequate

2406
01:41:48,239 --> 01:41:52,560
infrastructure such as bay signs and

2407
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:55,360
the road improvements as well as more

2408
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:58,320
clear signage such as northeast sub area

2409
01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:01,520
which a lot of King County metro transit

2410
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:04,800
centers and certain stops along the way

2411
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:06,719
especially in Redmond and potentially

2412
01:42:06,719 --> 01:42:08,239
even

2413
01:42:08,239 --> 01:42:10,960
um I believe also has that and that's

2414
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:13,440
just to ensure that we know where it

2415
01:42:13,440 --> 01:42:16,080
I've also have a online position. I

2416
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:19,360
won't mention any more on that though.

2417
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:22,560
Um that's it. Thank you. I yield my

2418
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:23,199
time.

2419
01:42:23,199 --> 01:42:24,560
>> Thank you.

2420
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:28,400
>> Uh next up we have

2421
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:30,320
I'm just going off of our sign and she

2422
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:34,000
first here. I see a maybe with Peter

2423
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:36,400
Scott of Duvall. Did you want this?

2424
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:38,960
>> You'll pass. Okay. Um, and then next up,

2425
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:43,199
Mike Beard from Duval Fire District 45.

2426
01:42:43,199 --> 01:42:43,679
>> Okay.

2427
01:42:43,679 --> 01:42:45,040
>> So, would you like I'm assuming you'd

2428
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:46,159
like the five minutes.

2429
01:42:46,159 --> 01:42:47,040
>> Uh, sure.

2430
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:48,480
>> Okay. You don't have to use it all if

2431
01:42:48,480 --> 01:42:51,750
you don't.

2432
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:56,000
» Um, everyone Michael Beard from Under

2433
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:58,880
Big Rock. So, I'm not a Duvall resident

2434
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:01,360
proper in the city. However, I was

2435
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:04,080
elected uh the second term Duvall Fire

2436
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:07,040
Commission 45. uh was elected chair of

2437
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:10,320
that and I'm here to talk about uh the

2438
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:13,119
proposed um building standards and

2439
01:43:13,119 --> 01:43:16,480
design code changes uh for the city. To

2440
01:43:16,480 --> 01:43:18,480
go back a couple years, uh I drove from

2441
01:43:18,480 --> 01:43:20,000
my family's been here since the 70s. My

2442
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:21,199
wife's family's been here since the

2443
01:43:21,199 --> 01:43:23,119
1900s.

2444
01:43:23,119 --> 01:43:25,119
Um

2445
01:43:25,119 --> 01:43:29,119
left in '94 to pursue my career and come

2446
01:43:29,119 --> 01:43:31,920
back in 2014 for a period there. lived

2447
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:34,320
in Isiqu where I was on the urban

2448
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:35,840
village development commission where we

2449
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:39,280
saw a very similar proposal

2450
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:42,000
sponsored by Rally Properties helping me

2451
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:43,600
tall brothers both many of the same

2452
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:45,920
developers that worked for

2453
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:50,480
um that proposal uh kind of created the

2454
01:43:50,480 --> 01:43:52,800
urban village development guideline that

2455
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:54,320
many cities are using now might be

2456
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:56,480
called something different but it's the

2457
01:43:56,480 --> 01:43:58,560
live up above work down below reduce

2458
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:00,560
parking increase density walkable

2459
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:01,440
streets

2460
01:44:01,440 --> 01:44:04,239
Um what was presented to the city of

2461
01:44:04,239 --> 01:44:05,600
Isiqua during the commission was

2462
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:07,440
beautiful but any of you who've been in

2463
01:44:07,440 --> 01:44:10,239
Isiqua or Redmond or these other areas

2464
01:44:10,239 --> 01:44:12,960
assume that's not built that way. Um one

2465
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:15,440
of the limits on that is the code uh

2466
01:44:15,440 --> 01:44:18,400
energy design need those are very

2467
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:20,320
restrictive.

2468
01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:23,199
So um I heard some talk about design

2469
01:44:23,199 --> 01:44:26,320
code earlier. um

2470
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:27,840
in Washington state the way things are

2471
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:30,800
built out it's it's very conforming it's

2472
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:32,719
kind of I think it's ugly it's very

2473
01:44:32,719 --> 01:44:36,239
dense so uh if these things are adopted

2474
01:44:36,239 --> 01:44:38,800
here what has been built throughout the

2475
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:40,480
state is probably what's going to be

2476
01:44:40,480 --> 01:44:42,800
here it's driven by economy it's driven

2477
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:45,119
by energy code it's driven by uh things

2478
01:44:45,119 --> 01:44:46,960
that are kind of outside the control of

2479
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:49,760
this if we are to adopt this

2480
01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:51,280
um

2481
01:44:51,280 --> 01:44:53,520
so that being said I want to talk about

2482
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:55,679
a Couple other things here real quickly.

2483
01:44:55,679 --> 01:44:59,360
Um, as a private citizen here, uh, I

2484
01:44:59,360 --> 01:45:01,040
read uh, some comments from one of the

2485
01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:03,360
city councilors about um, permanent

2486
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:05,520
supportive housing. And I'm hoping I'm

2487
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:07,119
misunderstanding this, but there was a

2488
01:45:07,119 --> 01:45:09,199
discussion that this could be built to

2489
01:45:09,199 --> 01:45:12,320
do well. Um, my full-time job, I'm a

2490
01:45:12,320 --> 01:45:14,159
lieutenant fire department. I'm not

2491
01:45:14,159 --> 01:45:15,600
speaking on behalf of them, but I'm

2492
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:18,639
speaking my experience there. I respond

2493
01:45:18,639 --> 01:45:20,719
daily to permanent support housing, the

2494
01:45:20,719 --> 01:45:22,880
city of Belleview, the city of Redmond,

2495
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:26,080
and the city of Kerbin. Uh the amount of

2496
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:27,440
strain that that puts on first

2497
01:45:27,440 --> 01:45:29,600
responders and EMS, hospital care,

2498
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:31,520
transport, private ambulance isn't is

2499
01:45:31,520 --> 01:45:34,080
immense. I don't think people quite

2500
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:36,320
understand. It looks good on paper, but

2501
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:38,639
the execution of it is pretty nasty.

2502
01:45:38,639 --> 01:45:39,840
It's really changed some of the

2503
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:41,360
neighborhoods and value in those those

2504
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:43,760
regions, and not in a positive way. This

2505
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:46,560
leads to my official stance here as a

2506
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:49,520
chairman of Dwell 45.

2507
01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:51,600
Um,

2508
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:52,960
when you call the fire department,

2509
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:54,320
firefighters are going to do everything

2510
01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:56,719
they can correctly to take care of. We

2511
01:45:56,719 --> 01:45:59,040
have limited resources in help. What I'm

2512
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:00,800
here to tell you is like there's no

2513
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:03,360
plans to increase the resources. We have

2514
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:05,440
three firefighters that cross staff,

2515
01:46:05,440 --> 01:46:07,600
several units just up the hill here, and

2516
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:09,600
we have three more up at station 16 in

2517
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:12,320
Chicago. That's six people in Debell

2518
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:14,719
Fire Department who are being operated

2519
01:46:14,719 --> 01:46:16,719
by East Side Fire right now. That's the

2520
01:46:16,719 --> 01:46:19,199
plan for at least the next decade.

2521
01:46:19,199 --> 01:46:21,440
If we have this level of growth,

2522
01:46:21,440 --> 01:46:23,920
specifically affordable or low-inccome

2523
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:26,080
supportive housing, it is going to max

2524
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:28,239
out our first responders. The amount of

2525
01:46:28,239 --> 01:46:29,840
calls that these generate are much

2526
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:31,360
higher than single family residents.

2527
01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:32,480
They're much higher than simple

2528
01:46:32,480 --> 01:46:34,400
apartment buildings. The utilization

2529
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:36,400
rate for EMS in these buildings is

2530
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:37,920
staggering. And I don't think anybody

2531
01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:40,080
has anybody who hasn't worked in the

2532
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:41,280
field would be kind of shocked with

2533
01:46:41,280 --> 01:46:43,040
that. What that means is when you call

2534
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:45,440
911, there may not be somebody for 10 to

2535
01:46:45,440 --> 01:46:47,760
15 minutes.

2536
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:49,360
We're talking about I've been to the

2537
01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:52,080
same department 100 times in a row to

2538
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:55,199
the same person. I work one of three

2539
01:46:55,199 --> 01:46:56,719
shifts. The people that relate me are

2540
01:46:56,719 --> 01:46:57,840
these same departments. We're talking

2541
01:46:57,840 --> 01:46:59,440
almost daily calls from some of these

2542
01:46:59,440 --> 01:47:01,520
permanent support.

2543
01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:04,000
So I would recommend that we don't

2544
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:06,639
pursue that if we can resist it. I know

2545
01:47:06,639 --> 01:47:08,800
I use that word not lightly. I've seen

2546
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:11,040
several members of this council resist

2547
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:12,639
other things that happened in the

2548
01:47:12,639 --> 01:47:14,880
country in the last couple years. Um you

2549
01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:16,400
don't have to go along with this. I know

2550
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:18,400
it's troubling. I know it's difficult. I

2551
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:20,320
know it might cost a lot of money, but I

2552
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:21,600
think you were all elected to make the

2553
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:24,480
diff difficult decisions, not the easy.

2554
01:47:24,480 --> 01:47:27,520
So, I just want those uh ideas to be out

2555
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:30,400
there. And from another government

2556
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:32,480
agency here, I want you to know that we

2557
01:47:32,480 --> 01:47:34,719
can support growth that was as it was

2558
01:47:34,719 --> 01:47:36,480
imagined a few years ago. We're actually

2559
01:47:36,480 --> 01:47:39,040
excited about it, but certain types of

2560
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:40,400
growth here would be pretty devastating

2561
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:42,639
to emergency services.

2562
01:47:42,639 --> 01:47:58,550
>> Thank you.

2563
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:02,880
Um, next up, where was I? Next up, we

2564
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:06,000
have Kate [clears throat] Brown.

2565
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:08,400
Did I say that right?

2566
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:11,199
>> Very close. Is that Brown?

2567
01:48:11,199 --> 01:48:13,440
>> Hi. You know, it's been very hard to

2568
01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:15,360
hear some of the other speakers. I'll

2569
01:48:15,360 --> 01:48:17,520
put on my teacher voice. My name is Kate

2570
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:21,040
C. I taught in the district for about 33

2571
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:24,639
years and I'm representing people who

2572
01:48:24,639 --> 01:48:27,600
don't live in the town of Duval, but we

2573
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:31,760
consider Duvall our town and we love it.

2574
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:35,760
>> And I come I talked in Carnation. I

2575
01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:38,080
taught at Duvall. I was on the civic

2576
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:43,280
club, friends of the library for many, years. And this is my community. I

2577
01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:45,679
know so many people in this community

2578
01:48:45,679 --> 01:48:51,119
and I love it. And I came here in 1971

2579
01:48:51,119 --> 01:48:53,280
and I knew country. One country was a

2580
01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:56,239
baby and she grew up with my daughter

2581
01:48:56,239 --> 01:48:58,639
who went to school at Cherry Valley. I

2582
01:48:58,639 --> 01:49:02,159
think a lot of us are so concerned

2583
01:49:02,159 --> 01:49:05,360
that Duvall is such a wonderful place

2584
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:07,760
and it has been so encompassing of

2585
01:49:07,760 --> 01:49:11,119
welcoming people, all kinds of people

2586
01:49:11,119 --> 01:49:13,600
and we would like to continue to do

2587
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:16,400
that. But we also need to face reality.

2588
01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:19,119
We do not have the infrastructure and I

2589
01:49:19,119 --> 01:49:22,480
read on the Duval page all the time

2590
01:49:22,480 --> 01:49:24,960
complaining about the floods and you

2591
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:26,800
can't get here and you can't get there

2592
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:30,560
and traffic is all baldled up at 3:30 in

2593
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:33,440
the afternoon. So with growth, we also

2594
01:49:33,440 --> 01:49:36,639
have to get some help from the state.

2595
01:49:36,639 --> 01:49:40,320
And we don't want this to become a

2596
01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:44,400
soulless place like we see in Redmond,

2597
01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:47,040
like we see in Woodenville. I drove to

2598
01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:50,560
Totem Lake and had no idea where I was.

2599
01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:53,360
Uh, I got there and I thought, well, the

2600
01:49:53,360 --> 01:49:58,239
car toys place used to be here and I

2601
01:49:58,239 --> 01:50:02,719
don't want our be the used to be here.

2602
01:50:02,719 --> 01:50:05,440
The old library used to be here. I was

2603
01:50:05,440 --> 01:50:08,960
involved in passing books one by one

2604
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:11,840
from this wonderful old library to the

2605
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:16,560
new one. And Rose Morberg was like my

2606
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:19,119
substitute mother, like my substitute

2607
01:50:19,119 --> 01:50:21,280
grandmother for my daughter. So I've

2608
01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:23,679
been invested in this place and I would

2609
01:50:23,679 --> 01:50:26,560
really hate to see it become

2610
01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:29,199
six stories of nothing

2611
01:50:29,199 --> 01:50:33,199
metal. And what I read uh from some nice

2612
01:50:33,199 --> 01:50:35,280
person from the board here that put it

2613
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:37,600
on Facebook was

2614
01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:40,239
if a developer wants to buy the property

2615
01:50:40,239 --> 01:50:41,840
and they meet what you were talking

2616
01:50:41,840 --> 01:50:44,480
about earlier, the slope of the roof or

2617
01:50:44,480 --> 01:50:47,679
the back uh off from the sidewalk, they

2618
01:50:47,679 --> 01:50:49,119
can pretty much put up whatever they

2619
01:50:49,119 --> 01:50:52,800
want. And I think our town and the

2620
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:54,800
people who live surrounding the towns,

2621
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:57,520
the farmers in the valley, we should

2622
01:50:57,520 --> 01:51:00,800
also have a say as to what affects our

2623
01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:03,360
lives, our children's lives, and our

2624
01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:05,199
grandchildren's lives. My daughter

2625
01:51:05,199 --> 01:51:09,520
doesn't live here. She can't afford it.

2626
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:12,400
So, please keep that in mind. There are

2627
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:14,880
people who love this community and this

2628
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:17,199
community has loved us back. Thank you

2629
01:51:17,199 --> 01:51:24,310
very much.

2630
01:51:24,320 --> 01:51:26,159
And I I I just wanted to say to the

2631
01:51:26,159 --> 01:51:27,679
audience, we don't usually allow

2632
01:51:27,679 --> 01:51:29,840
reactions. And I know that I feel it

2633
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:32,080
like I'm a party for saying it. I can

2634
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:34,239
move a little quicker through the list

2635
01:51:34,239 --> 01:51:37,520
if we like with applause or anything

2636
01:51:37,520 --> 01:51:39,280
like that. So, we'll be able to squeeze

2637
01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:41,679
more people in in the time. Okay. Um

2638
01:51:41,679 --> 01:51:54,070
Lauren, that

2639
01:51:54,080 --> 01:51:56,639
Lauren Betting from Duvall.

2640
01:51:56,639 --> 01:51:58,639
Good evening, Mayor and City Council and

2641
01:51:58,639 --> 01:52:00,800
staff. Thank you for this opportunity to

2642
01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:03,520
comment on Duvall's comprehensive plan.

2643
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:05,440
I appreciate the difficult position you

2644
01:52:05,440 --> 01:52:07,119
are in, and my following statement is

2645
01:52:07,119 --> 01:52:09,119
meant to help in a way that has legal

2646
01:52:09,119 --> 01:52:12,320
standing. I'm not here with a pitchfork.

2647
01:52:12,320 --> 01:52:14,080
I believe the current draft does not

2648
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:16,159
comply with the growth management act

2649
01:52:16,159 --> 01:52:18,639
for the following reasons. First,

2650
01:52:18,639 --> 01:52:21,119
citizen participation. The code required

2651
01:52:21,119 --> 01:52:22,800
procedures for early and continuous

2652
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:25,760
public participation. The 2024 public

2653
01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:27,599
survey showed that regulating

2654
01:52:27,599 --> 01:52:29,199
development to maintain community

2655
01:52:29,199 --> 01:52:31,520
character and a small town feel were

2656
01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:34,400
residents first priorities. How has that

2657
01:52:34,400 --> 01:52:36,000
feedback been used in the most recent

2658
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:38,639
proposed zoning changes? Do you intend

2659
01:52:38,639 --> 01:52:40,480
to alter the current plan based on

2660
01:52:40,480 --> 01:52:42,560
community feedback?

2661
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:44,800
Second, alternatives. The GMA requires

2662
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:46,960
the broad dissemination of proposals and

2663
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:48,480
alternatives.

2664
01:52:48,480 --> 01:52:51,679
Where are the alternatives?

2665
01:52:51,679 --> 01:52:53,679
Relying on a single recommended strategy

2666
01:52:53,679 --> 01:52:55,119
while planning compliance with the new

2667
01:52:55,119 --> 01:52:57,119
state law risks us not choosing the best

2668
01:52:57,119 --> 01:53:00,159
available option. Please clarify what

2669
01:53:00,159 --> 01:53:04,159
alternatives were or will be considered.

2670
01:53:04,159 --> 01:53:07,199
Third, infrastructure and coordination.

2671
01:53:07,199 --> 01:53:09,360
The GMA mandates coordination to

2672
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:12,560
reconcile conflicts and ensure efficient

2673
01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:14,719
transportation. We are adding traffic to

2674
01:53:14,719 --> 01:53:17,040
our roads without state or county

2675
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:18,719
commitments to increase funding for

2676
01:53:18,719 --> 01:53:21,520
maintenance or mitigation. Duvall has

2677
01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:23,119
nothing that meets the criteria for a

2678
01:53:23,119 --> 01:53:25,920
major transit hub to offset this.

2679
01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:27,599
Increasing development before securing

2680
01:53:27,599 --> 01:53:29,199
infrastructure violates countywide

2681
01:53:29,199 --> 01:53:32,080
planning policy H25, which protects

2682
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:34,080
resident well-being through high quality

2683
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:36,800
transit.

2684
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:39,280
Fourth, the housing strategy. If our

2685
01:53:39,280 --> 01:53:41,679
overall growth target is already

2686
01:53:41,679 --> 01:53:44,400
naturally met by the building that's

2687
01:53:44,400 --> 01:53:48,080
happened since 2019, pipeline units, and

2688
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:50,400
the current zoning, why are we

2689
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:52,880
increasing baseline zoning for all

2690
01:53:52,880 --> 01:53:55,440
market rate development?

2691
01:53:55,440 --> 01:53:57,199
I propose an alternative that is more

2692
01:53:57,199 --> 01:54:00,080
aligned with our community's wishes,

2693
01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:02,800
an affordable housing zone overlay.

2694
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:04,800
Instead of a blanket up zone, make

2695
01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:06,719
increased density only available for

2696
01:54:06,719 --> 01:54:09,360
verified affordable housing.

2697
01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:10,800
This would directly protect our

2698
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:12,159
community's character, prevent

2699
01:54:12,159 --> 01:54:14,560
overdevelopment, and incentivize

2700
01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:16,320
builders to target the specific

2701
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:18,400
affordability brackets Duvall actually

2702
01:54:18,400 --> 01:54:20,239
lacks.

2703
01:54:20,239 --> 01:54:22,320
Please identify where our plan is

2704
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:24,000
current, why our plan is currently

2705
01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:26,080
zoning for more development than is

2706
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:28,000
required.

2707
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:29,760
I request that staff run the land

2708
01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:31,599
capacity model on an affordable housing

2709
01:54:31,599 --> 01:54:33,520
overlay alternative and tell the public

2710
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:35,760
exactly which GMA requirements it would

2711
01:54:35,760 --> 01:54:38,480
and would not satisfy. If that is not

2712
01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:39,920
feasible, then I request that the

2713
01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:41,280
current plan heights are reduced to the

2714
01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:43,599
bare minimum and any increase in zoning

2715
01:54:43,599 --> 01:54:46,960
is only available for our 675 assigned

2716
01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:49,679
affordable housing unit. We are the

2717
01:54:49,679 --> 01:54:52,239
current stewards of Dualltown,

2718
01:54:52,239 --> 01:54:54,560
real life. Our town's character and

2719
01:54:54,560 --> 01:55:06,870
identity are at stake.

2720
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:09,920
Hi everyone. I'm country Rooney.

2721
01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:11,280
I'm the president of the Dubel

2722
01:55:11,280 --> 01:55:13,440
Historical Society.

2723
01:55:13,440 --> 01:55:15,679
Um I am representing the historical

2724
01:55:15,679 --> 01:55:17,199
society. So I'll use all five of my

2725
01:55:17,199 --> 01:55:19,040
minutes, please.

2726
01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:20,960
I'm also part of the Novelty Hill

2727
01:55:20,960 --> 01:55:22,639
Cemetery,

2728
01:55:22,639 --> 01:55:26,639
No Palmy Valley Museum,

2729
01:55:26,639 --> 01:55:30,159
and a life member of the VFW Auxiliary.

2730
01:55:30,159 --> 01:55:32,639
I am here on behalf of Duval Historical

2731
01:55:32,639 --> 01:55:35,119
Society. I do have handouts that I

2732
01:55:35,119 --> 01:55:37,760
handed out before coming in. I'm not

2733
01:55:37,760 --> 01:55:38,880
going to talk about them. I'm just

2734
01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:40,800
letting you know that there are QR codes

2735
01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:42,960
to the information that I am talking

2736
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:47,440
about. So, good evening, Mayor Mckenry.

2737
01:55:47,440 --> 01:55:50,400
I love you and I love our town and I

2738
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:54,800
love the staff that are here to present.

2739
01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:56,480
I want to begin by saying something

2740
01:55:56,480 --> 01:55:58,560
personal because

2741
01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:01,199
I believe it explains why I'm here and

2742
01:56:01,199 --> 01:56:03,385
I'm standing here tonight

2743
01:56:03,385 --> 01:56:03,440
[clears throat]

2744
01:56:03,440 --> 01:56:05,599
>> and why I'm speaking as strongly as I

2745
01:56:05,599 --> 01:56:07,119
am.

2746
01:56:07,119 --> 01:56:11,040
1976 I was three years old.

2747
01:56:11,040 --> 01:56:13,760
An inaudible member of this community

2748
01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:16,800
took advantage of me.

2749
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:18,880
My parents and grandparents, I'm fourth

2750
01:56:18,880 --> 01:56:21,199
generation, by the way.

2751
01:56:21,199 --> 01:56:23,280
My parents and my grandparents made the

2752
01:56:23,280 --> 01:56:26,400
decision not to take any action. They

2753
01:56:26,400 --> 01:56:28,800
didn't want to create any commotion.

2754
01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:30,880
They didn't want any drama in this town

2755
01:56:30,880 --> 01:56:33,520
of 600 members.

2756
01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:36,719
And sometimes in a small town, keeping

2757
01:56:36,719 --> 01:56:39,199
the peace may seem more important than

2758
01:56:39,199 --> 01:56:41,760
speaking up.

2759
01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:44,719
That experience stayed with me.

2760
01:56:44,719 --> 01:56:47,119
But I'm not here tonight to reopen that

2761
01:56:47,119 --> 01:56:51,360
chapter of my life. I am here because 50

2762
01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:54,159
years later, I am correcting that part

2763
01:56:54,159 --> 01:56:56,719
that was left unfinished.

2764
01:56:56,719 --> 01:56:59,679
I am using my voice to help save

2765
01:56:59,679 --> 01:57:02,719
something that deserves to be protected.

2766
01:57:02,719 --> 01:57:05,040
I know that the city has struggled.

2767
01:57:05,040 --> 01:57:07,280
Duval citywide visioning plan page

2768
01:57:07,280 --> 01:57:10,159
number 10 described Oldtown as the

2769
01:57:10,159 --> 01:57:14,080
historic heart and the soul of Duval and

2770
01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:16,320
recognized that traffic congestion and

2771
01:57:16,320 --> 01:57:18,800
development can threaten its long-term

2772
01:57:18,800 --> 01:57:20,880
preservation.

2773
01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:24,000
The GMA identifies historic preservation

2774
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:25,760
as part of its comprehensive plan.

2775
01:57:25,760 --> 01:57:27,599
That's RCW

2776
01:57:27,599 --> 01:57:30,950
36.78.210

2777
01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:32,960
number 14.

2778
01:57:32,960 --> 01:57:35,520
So, I'm asking the council to make

2779
01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:37,679
historical preservation

2780
01:57:37,679 --> 01:57:40,400
a part of the comprehensive plan, an

2781
01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:44,560
intentional part of our alignment, not

2782
01:57:44,560 --> 01:57:46,960
as an afterthought.

2783
01:57:46,960 --> 01:57:48,560
Let's plan for the future without

2784
01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:51,840
erasing the past. Some people may call

2785
01:57:51,840 --> 01:57:54,480
my voice misleading or creating

2786
01:57:54,480 --> 01:57:56,719
unnecessary concern. Just check

2787
01:57:56,719 --> 01:57:58,960
Facebook.

2788
01:57:58,960 --> 01:58:02,560
>> But I'm going to respectfully disagree.

2789
01:58:02,560 --> 01:58:05,280
I'm looking at the numbers. I'm looking

2790
01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:07,760
at what the proposed recommendations

2791
01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:09,840
could mean when they are translated from

2792
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:13,040
a document onto actual buildings, actual

2793
01:58:13,040 --> 01:58:16,000
streets, actual traffic,

2794
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:18,400
actual infrastructure, and actual

2795
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:20,639
neighborhoods.

2796
01:58:20,639 --> 01:58:23,440
A number on a page may look harmless,

2797
01:58:23,440 --> 01:58:26,960
but 17 dwellings per unit

2798
01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:30,239
is a number. For Oldtown historic

2799
01:58:30,239 --> 01:58:31,920
Duvall,

2800
01:58:31,920 --> 01:58:35,440
17 units become buildings.

2801
01:58:35,440 --> 01:58:39,599
become people. People become

2802
01:58:39,599 --> 01:58:43,760
water, sewer. Everybody needs the roads,

2803
01:58:43,760 --> 01:58:47,520
emergency services. Thank you, Mike.

2804
01:58:47,520 --> 01:58:50,800
schools, walkways and transportation.

2805
01:58:50,800 --> 01:58:53,040
And the question I am asking is not

2806
01:58:53,040 --> 01:58:55,440
should Duvall grow and of course we're

2807
01:58:55,440 --> 01:58:57,760
going to grow.

2808
01:58:57,760 --> 01:58:59,679
I believe we have an obligation to look

2809
01:58:59,679 --> 01:59:02,639
beyond meeting a numerical target. We

2810
01:59:02,639 --> 01:59:04,400
need to understand the consequences of

2811
01:59:04,400 --> 01:59:06,480
the number we adopt to our historic

2812
01:59:06,480 --> 01:59:09,199
district as well as our up and middle

2813
01:59:09,199 --> 01:59:11,199
towns.

2814
01:59:11,199 --> 01:59:13,119
We know our infrastructure cannot

2815
01:59:13,119 --> 01:59:15,440
support the density compliment

2816
01:59:15,440 --> 01:59:17,520
contemplated. We need to understand what

2817
01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:19,360
these zoning changes could mean to our

2818
01:59:19,360 --> 01:59:21,199
town, our roads, and our quality of

2819
01:59:21,199 --> 01:59:23,920
life. And we need to make sure that the

2820
01:59:23,920 --> 01:59:26,159
community understands what is actually

2821
01:59:26,159 --> 01:59:29,520
being proposed before any decisions are

2822
01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:32,639
being made. And I'm not asking you, the

2823
01:59:32,639 --> 01:59:35,119
council, to reject growth,

2824
01:59:35,119 --> 01:59:36,400
but we didn't even look for

2825
01:59:36,400 --> 01:59:38,000
alternatives.

2826
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:39,599
I'm asking you to do the work of

2827
01:59:39,599 --> 01:59:41,920
understanding the scale of the growth

2828
01:59:41,920 --> 01:59:43,920
and push back.

2829
01:59:43,920 --> 01:59:47,040
And I'm asking you not to dismiss a

2830
01:59:47,040 --> 01:59:50,719
concerned citizen's voice simply because

2831
01:59:50,719 --> 01:59:55,119
it challenges a consultant's number.

2832
01:59:55,119 --> 01:59:59,920
50 years ago, I didn't have a voice.

2833
01:59:59,920 --> 02:00:03,360
Tonight, I do.

2834
02:00:03,360 --> 02:00:06,320
I intend to use it respectfully,

2835
02:00:06,320 --> 02:00:10,719
factually, and persistently,

2836
02:00:10,719 --> 02:00:14,719
not to create drama or mislead.

2837
02:00:14,719 --> 02:00:17,440
not to stop Duvall from moving forward

2838
02:00:17,440 --> 02:00:25,350
because I have

2839
02:00:25,360 --> 02:00:27,520
» tr Watson. How are we on

2840
02:00:27,520 --> 02:00:32,800
>> pass? Okay, the minutes have passed on.

2841
02:00:32,800 --> 02:00:34,719
Okay,

2842
02:00:34,719 --> 02:00:37,199
>> I see Terry Manville with a question

2843
02:00:37,199 --> 02:00:38,560
mark. So, I just want to check in with

2844
02:00:38,560 --> 02:00:41,520
you if you'd like to speak. Okay. So,

2845
02:00:41,520 --> 02:00:42,880
and are you speaking on behalf of

2846
02:00:42,880 --> 02:00:48,629
yourself? You have a step. Okay.

2847
02:00:48,639 --> 02:00:50,960
» I'm Terry Mandville. I live in

2848
02:00:50,960 --> 02:00:55,119
unincorporated Duval. Um, but my friends

2849
02:00:55,119 --> 02:00:58,960
are here in in incorporated Duval. And I

2850
02:00:58,960 --> 02:01:02,880
just need to say I grew up in the

2851
02:01:02,880 --> 02:01:05,360
northeast corner of Seattle when it was

2852
02:01:05,360 --> 02:01:08,239
all woods and it was a wonderful place

2853
02:01:08,239 --> 02:01:11,599
to grow up. Now it's all culde-sacs and

2854
02:01:11,599 --> 02:01:14,000
okay, it's inside Seattle city limit. So

2855
02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:15,199
maybe that's what's supposed to happen.

2856
02:01:15,199 --> 02:01:17,280
The growth is supposed to happen there.

2857
02:01:17,280 --> 02:01:20,800
Then I lived outside of Woodenville

2858
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:24,480
and on 8 acres of trees and had chickens

2859
02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:27,599
and it was beautiful and they started

2860
02:01:27,599 --> 02:01:30,000
having town meetings about increasing

2861
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:32,800
growth and we were promised that the

2862
02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:34,960
character of our neighborhood would

2863
02:01:34,960 --> 02:01:36,880
remain

2864
02:01:36,880 --> 02:01:40,000
but it didn't. I moved out of there,

2865
02:01:40,000 --> 02:01:43,840
moved outside of Kirkland on um Ben Hill

2866
02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:46,400
where there were orchards and farms and

2867
02:01:46,400 --> 02:01:49,119
trees and and

2868
02:01:49,119 --> 02:01:52,480
um space and place for my kids to grow

2869
02:01:52,480 --> 02:01:54,800
up. And

2870
02:01:54,800 --> 02:01:57,040
they started having town meetings about

2871
02:01:57,040 --> 02:02:00,639
growth. And we were promised that the

2872
02:02:00,639 --> 02:02:03,599
character of our community would remain

2873
02:02:03,599 --> 02:02:07,040
the same, that it could mesh with growth

2874
02:02:07,040 --> 02:02:09,920
and it would be fine. They tore down my

2875
02:02:09,920 --> 02:02:13,360
house and built three monstrosity

2876
02:02:13,360 --> 02:02:17,360
houses with no yards. Um that was

2877
02:02:17,360 --> 02:02:19,440
supposed to be for affordable housing,

2878
02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:21,280
but they're a million dollars a piece,

2879
02:02:21,280 --> 02:02:24,719
so I don't know who can afford those. Um

2880
02:02:24,719 --> 02:02:28,000
I moved out here. I keep moving farther

2881
02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:31,199
and farther away to beautiful places and

2882
02:02:31,199 --> 02:02:32,960
I just don't want the same thing to

2883
02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:35,679
happen here and that's it.

2884
02:02:35,679 --> 02:02:40,310
>> Thank you.

2885
02:02:40,320 --> 02:02:43,440
» Uh Michaela G.

2886
02:02:43,440 --> 02:02:45,679
>> Okay.

2887
02:02:45,679 --> 02:02:49,280
>> Got it. Okay. Uh Meg Town,

2888
02:02:49,280 --> 02:02:50,480
did you want to speak?

2889
02:02:50,480 --> 02:02:50,960
>> Yes.

2890
02:02:50,960 --> 02:02:52,719
>> Okay. And are you speaking on behalf of

2891
02:02:52,719 --> 02:02:54,730
yourself?

2892
02:02:54,730 --> 02:02:58,709
>> [clears throat]

2893
02:02:58,719 --> 02:03:02,719
» M town and I live in unincorporated um

2894
02:03:02,719 --> 02:03:07,599
Duvall Terry Valley Way and we uh

2895
02:03:07,599 --> 02:03:10,080
several years ago were impacted by the

2896
02:03:10,080 --> 02:03:13,199
North Hill development and came to a

2897
02:03:13,199 --> 02:03:15,760
resolution on that after quite some time

2898
02:03:15,760 --> 02:03:20,719
and um that was not fun. Um

2899
02:03:20,719 --> 02:03:24,080
infrastructure is huge um when it

2900
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:25,840
development gets ahead of the

2901
02:03:25,840 --> 02:03:28,880
infrastructure. Um it impacts not just

2902
02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:31,119
Duvall itself but the unincorporated

2903
02:03:31,119 --> 02:03:35,760
areas too. I appreciate um the advocacy

2904
02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:39,199
for our current downtown the soul of I

2905
02:03:39,199 --> 02:03:41,840
agree it's the soul of Duvall. when we

2906
02:03:41,840 --> 02:03:45,199
have floods, we gather in our downtown.

2907
02:03:45,199 --> 02:03:48,639
We have Duvall TV present and it helps

2908
02:03:48,639 --> 02:03:50,400
us get through some of those harder

2909
02:03:50,400 --> 02:03:54,480
times. And without that, um, it just we

2910
02:03:54,480 --> 02:03:56,800
would be missing this whole um, our

2911
02:03:56,800 --> 02:03:58,480
businesses that are here, the small

2912
02:03:58,480 --> 02:04:00,719
businesses that have worked hard to

2913
02:04:00,719 --> 02:04:03,040
preserve the historical quality of this

2914
02:04:03,040 --> 02:04:06,080
town. um is something that I treasure

2915
02:04:06,080 --> 02:04:10,000
and value and hope to continue to have

2916
02:04:10,000 --> 02:04:12,639
um when I come into town. So, I would

2917
02:04:12,639 --> 02:04:14,960
like the zoning to be reconsidered that

2918
02:04:14,960 --> 02:04:20,639
it not include the height and density of

2919
02:04:20,639 --> 02:04:23,760
our historic town.

2920
02:04:23,760 --> 02:04:24,880
>> Thank you.

2921
02:04:24,880 --> 02:04:26,560
>> Uh Mike Town,

2922
02:04:26,560 --> 02:04:28,560
>> do you want to speak and on behalf of

2923
02:04:28,560 --> 02:04:31,280
yourself, I'm assuming? Okay.

2924
02:04:31,280 --> 02:04:33,760
>> Hi, my name is Mike Town. I uh also live

2925
02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:36,080
in Charity Valley and just representing

2926
02:04:36,080 --> 02:04:40,239
myself on this. Um what Meg was talking

2927
02:04:40,239 --> 02:04:43,679
about uh is something that I I think is

2928
02:04:43,679 --> 02:04:46,639
a good story in regards to things that

2929
02:04:46,639 --> 02:04:50,159
you might be able to um try to work

2930
02:04:50,159 --> 02:04:54,080
around and coming up with the Sony.

2931
02:04:54,080 --> 02:04:55,920
Today in the Seattle Times, there was an

2932
02:04:55,920 --> 02:04:57,440
article. I don't know if any of you guys

2933
02:04:57,440 --> 02:05:00,400
saw it, but it basically talked about

2934
02:05:00,400 --> 02:05:03,599
how the movement of the population of

2935
02:05:03,599 --> 02:05:05,840
King County is coming down to cities

2936
02:05:05,840 --> 02:05:08,639
like the ball. And partially it's

2937
02:05:08,639 --> 02:05:10,800
because you can tell I can get from here

2938
02:05:10,800 --> 02:05:12,320
and also it's, you know, a little bit

2939
02:05:12,320 --> 02:05:14,480
more affordable and of course it's what

2940
02:05:14,480 --> 02:05:17,199
we all love. It's close to nature.

2941
02:05:17,199 --> 02:05:19,199
And

2942
02:05:19,199 --> 02:05:21,520
don't misunderstand

2943
02:05:21,520 --> 02:05:25,040
a component of that is that all the big

2944
02:05:25,040 --> 02:05:28,400
housing developers in this area have

2945
02:05:28,400 --> 02:05:32,320
been also moving out to these areas. And

2946
02:05:32,320 --> 02:05:34,560
I want to talk about our experience with

2947
02:05:34,560 --> 02:05:36,320
one of them just so that you can

2948
02:05:36,320 --> 02:05:38,400
understand kind of the concerns we have

2949
02:05:38,400 --> 02:05:41,760
about this. As mentioned,

2950
02:05:41,760 --> 02:05:43,679
um, a couple years ago, we live in

2951
02:05:43,679 --> 02:05:45,840
Cherry Valley, just down on the high

2952
02:05:45,840 --> 02:05:48,320
school. Uh, the largest builder of homes

2953
02:05:48,320 --> 02:05:50,239
in the United States decided they were

2954
02:05:50,239 --> 02:05:52,239
going to build a 100 homes on that hill.

2955
02:05:52,239 --> 02:05:53,760
And they were going to take all the

2956
02:05:53,760 --> 02:05:56,960
storm water from the streets, the roofs,

2957
02:05:56,960 --> 02:06:00,639
and the gardens and pipe it down into

2958
02:06:00,639 --> 02:06:03,920
King County directly into the valley. We

2959
02:06:03,920 --> 02:06:06,960
woke up one day and we found out that

2960
02:06:06,960 --> 02:06:08,639
they were going to dump all their storm

2961
02:06:08,639 --> 02:06:12,080
water 25 ft from our well which serves

2962
02:06:12,080 --> 02:06:14,507
seven different families.

2963
02:06:14,507 --> 02:06:16,880
[clears throat] The city of Duval okay

2964
02:06:16,880 --> 02:06:19,280
it

2965
02:06:19,280 --> 02:06:21,520
bought it and we bought it because

2966
02:06:21,520 --> 02:06:24,000
there's a whole bunch of ordinance both

2967
02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:27,599
on the state and county um docket that

2968
02:06:27,599 --> 02:06:30,159
showed that they couldn't do this. Now

2969
02:06:30,159 --> 02:06:33,440
that corporation knew that

2970
02:06:33,440 --> 02:06:35,920
But they also knew that they were in a

2971
02:06:35,920 --> 02:06:39,040
small town who sometimes doesn't have

2972
02:06:39,040 --> 02:06:42,800
the manpower for dual diligence in

2973
02:06:42,800 --> 02:06:47,040
regards to things that you can do, but

2974
02:06:47,040 --> 02:06:51,520
we want a settlement from them. And

2975
02:06:51,520 --> 02:06:55,920
what it taught us was that this is going

2976
02:06:55,920 --> 02:06:58,159
to happen again.

2977
02:06:58,159 --> 02:07:01,840
And when you build the type of units

2978
02:07:01,840 --> 02:07:04,960
that you're talking about out there,

2979
02:07:04,960 --> 02:07:06,719
these are the developers that you're

2980
02:07:06,719 --> 02:07:09,840
going to get. And if you were to find

2981
02:07:09,840 --> 02:07:12,800
the name of the top three and Google

2982
02:07:12,800 --> 02:07:16,159
them and use the word lawsuit, you're

2983
02:07:16,159 --> 02:07:18,560
going to run into pages and pages and

2984
02:07:18,560 --> 02:07:22,800
pages of it. And so I think that when

2985
02:07:22,800 --> 02:07:25,840
you write the ordinance, you have to

2986
02:07:25,840 --> 02:07:30,320
make sure that the city's enforcement of

2987
02:07:30,320 --> 02:07:34,000
the policy is going to occur, which

2988
02:07:34,000 --> 02:07:36,800
means you need a revenue source in

2989
02:07:36,800 --> 02:07:38,000
order.

2990
02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:42,159
>> Thank you, Brett. Hi. Um,

2991
02:07:42,159 --> 02:07:43,599
>> okay. You said we have time for one

2992
02:07:43,599 --> 02:07:45,040
more. So, we just have time for one more

2993
02:07:45,040 --> 02:07:46,719
commenter. I just want to check in with

2994
02:07:46,719 --> 02:07:49,199
Nina Oshopski.

2995
02:07:49,199 --> 02:07:49,679
Fine.

2996
02:07:49,679 --> 02:07:52,000
>> It's fine. Okay. And then Elizabeth

2997
02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:54,480
Hill, would you like to speak?

2998
02:07:54,480 --> 02:07:54,960
>> Yes.

2999
02:07:54,960 --> 02:07:56,480
>> Okay. And then, are you speaking on

3000
02:07:56,480 --> 02:07:58,880
behalf of yourself or an organization?

3001
02:07:58,880 --> 02:07:59,440
>> Myself.

3002
02:07:59,440 --> 02:08:03,199
>> Yourself. Okay. Thank you.

3003
02:08:03,199 --> 02:08:05,520
>> He was crying with tears running down

3004
02:08:05,520 --> 02:08:08,639
his face. He was an older man than I am

3005
02:08:08,639 --> 02:08:10,239
now.

3006
02:08:10,239 --> 02:08:12,159
is what he said to me is, you know,

3007
02:08:12,159 --> 02:08:15,040
Elizabeth, it doesn't bother me at all

3008
02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:18,639
that people that recently moved here

3009
02:08:18,639 --> 02:08:20,800
want to be involved in the process and

3010
02:08:20,800 --> 02:08:24,239
plan for the future. I just wish that

3011
02:08:24,239 --> 02:08:28,400
they would first hear what we planned,

3012
02:08:28,400 --> 02:08:31,040
what we've been working for, what we've

3013
02:08:31,040 --> 02:08:35,040
spent our life on. And that man was Ray

3014
02:08:35,040 --> 02:08:38,079
Burren. And for those of you who may not

3015
02:08:38,079 --> 02:08:41,119
know, Ray Muran was instrumental in

3016
02:08:41,119 --> 02:08:44,159
getting the Doherty house. He was

3017
02:08:44,159 --> 02:08:47,679
instrumental in getting McCormic Park in

3018
02:08:47,679 --> 02:08:51,440
ways people don't know about. He donated

3019
02:08:51,440 --> 02:08:54,480
the depot building to the city. He

3020
02:08:54,480 --> 02:08:57,040
bought the restrooms for the city. He

3021
02:08:57,040 --> 02:09:00,079
did many, many other things. He was a

3022
02:09:00,079 --> 02:09:03,040
private person in some ways. He did tons

3023
02:09:03,040 --> 02:09:06,159
of things for the senior center. And I

3024
02:09:06,159 --> 02:09:09,840
have to say I feel like that old man now

3025
02:09:09,840 --> 02:09:12,880
because I feel like instead of starting

3026
02:09:12,880 --> 02:09:16,079
with hey the state wants this what do we

3027
02:09:16,079 --> 02:09:19,280
want to do about it

3028
02:09:19,280 --> 02:09:21,840
how can we work together and come as a

3029
02:09:21,840 --> 02:09:24,320
community from where we've been in our

3030
02:09:24,320 --> 02:09:27,599
long-term vision of having OldTown which

3031
02:09:27,599 --> 02:09:32,880
has been our priority for decades and decades.

3032
02:09:32,880 --> 02:09:35,280
we're kind of going to the consultants

3033
02:09:35,280 --> 02:09:37,280
first and I've been a consultant so I

3034
02:09:37,280 --> 02:09:39,199
understand they bring a lot of value to

3035
02:09:39,199 --> 02:09:43,040
the table and now we're like here's the

3036
02:09:43,040 --> 02:09:45,360
here's what we're going to do probably

3037
02:09:45,360 --> 02:09:47,679
what do you all think about it and I

3038
02:09:47,679 --> 02:09:50,159
think that's where people are feeling

3039
02:09:50,159 --> 02:09:53,599
like well wait a minute what's happening

3040
02:09:53,599 --> 02:09:56,560
and I could be wrong but I do think

3041
02:09:56,560 --> 02:09:58,400
that's why there's so many people here

3042
02:09:58,400 --> 02:10:02,800
tonight because it moves so fast and I

3043
02:10:02,800 --> 02:10:05,920
understand the state wants things. I get

3044
02:10:05,920 --> 02:10:08,320
that. I also understand that Carnation

3045
02:10:08,320 --> 02:10:10,480
pushed back on what the state wanted. I

3046
02:10:10,480 --> 02:10:12,079
don't know if we tried, if we were

3047
02:10:12,079 --> 02:10:14,800
successful. I don't know.

3048
02:10:14,800 --> 02:10:16,320
>> Um,

3049
02:10:16,320 --> 02:10:18,480
I appreciate everyone here that's

3050
02:10:18,480 --> 02:10:21,119
volunteering their time to be on council

3051
02:10:21,119 --> 02:10:24,079
and the mayor and and city staff. I know

3052
02:10:24,079 --> 02:10:28,560
it's a harder job. I really do. Um, I do

3053
02:10:28,560 --> 02:10:29,679
a lot even though I live in

3054
02:10:29,679 --> 02:10:32,480
unincorporated King County.

3055
02:10:32,480 --> 02:10:34,560
I do a lot within the city limits for

3056
02:10:34,560 --> 02:10:36,560
Duval Foundation for the Arts, although

3057
02:10:36,560 --> 02:10:41,280
we haven't had a chance to meet yet. And frankly, I need to learn more and

3058
02:10:41,280 --> 02:10:43,040
I'm hoping to hear the presentation

3059
02:10:43,040 --> 02:10:45,840
tonight to know what changes are being

3060
02:10:45,840 --> 02:10:48,000
proposed for Oldtown and the surrounding

3061
02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:51,040
areas because we're certainly hearing a

3062
02:10:51,040 --> 02:10:53,520
lot of conflicting information.

3063
02:10:53,520 --> 02:10:55,040
And a lot of the people that we're

3064
02:10:55,040 --> 02:10:56,880
hearing from are people that I've known

3065
02:10:56,880 --> 02:11:01,199
and have trusted for decades and decades. That doesn't mean I don't

3066
02:11:01,199 --> 02:11:06,800
trust the new people, but something isn't working.

3067
02:11:06,800 --> 02:11:11,589
>> Thank you.

3068
02:11:11,599 --> 02:11:14,480
» So, with that, we've reached our aotted

3069
02:11:14,480 --> 02:11:15,920
time. We're going to move on with our

3070
02:11:15,920 --> 02:11:18,480
business agenda, but it will reopen

3071
02:11:18,480 --> 02:11:20,480
after the last item, which is a closed

3072
02:11:20,480 --> 02:11:22,639
session. Public comment will reopen per

3073
02:11:22,639 --> 02:11:24,719
council instruction, and then I will

3074
02:11:24,719 --> 02:11:26,639
pick back up on that list.

3075
02:11:26,639 --> 02:11:29,040
>> What time will that be? I have no time

3076
02:11:29,040 --> 02:11:30,159
prediction of that.

3077
02:11:30,159 --> 02:11:30,960
>> Oh yes.

3078
02:11:30,960 --> 02:11:33,280
>> So next up we have our consent agenda.

3079
02:11:33,280 --> 02:11:35,840
Um does anyone on council want to make

3080
02:11:35,840 --> 02:11:36,960
uh a motion to

3081
02:11:36,960 --> 02:11:41,030
>> approve?

3082
02:11:41,040 --> 02:11:41,920
Second. It's

3083
02:11:41,920 --> 02:11:43,679
>> been moved and seconded. We approve the

3084
02:11:43,679 --> 02:11:45,760
consent agenda. All those in favor say

3085
02:11:45,760 --> 02:11:47,119
I.

3086
02:11:47,119 --> 02:11:48,800
>> I.

3087
02:11:48,800 --> 02:11:51,280
>> All those opposed say nay.

3088
02:11:51,280 --> 02:11:53,280
>> Motion passes. Consent agenda is

3089
02:11:53,280 --> 02:11:55,119
approved. uh during the committee the

3090
02:11:55,119 --> 02:11:56,960
whole meeting before this meeting we had

3091
02:11:56,960 --> 02:12:00,000
some extra time so we did cover most of

3092
02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:02,079
my report the mayor's report and the

3093
02:12:02,079 --> 02:12:04,719
city administrator's update however

3094
02:12:04,719 --> 02:12:06,800
there was one item I did save off of my

3095
02:12:06,800 --> 02:12:08,639
report that I will do now and that was

3096
02:12:08,639 --> 02:12:11,520
our meeting with the executive

3097
02:12:11,520 --> 02:12:14,639
okay so city administrator McNav and I

3098
02:12:14,639 --> 02:12:16,000
met with the King County with King

3099
02:12:16,000 --> 02:12:19,280
County Executive Zahalai and his staff

3100
02:12:19,280 --> 02:12:22,000
um basically the content of the meeting

3101
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:24,960
was by recap the content of the letter I

3102
02:12:24,960 --> 02:12:27,840
sent back on January 30th of this year,

3103
02:12:27,840 --> 02:12:30,400
which was an invitation to Duval and a

3104
02:12:30,400 --> 02:12:32,480
request to discuss the city of Duval

3105
02:12:32,480 --> 02:12:34,079
housing and growth targets. And that was

3106
02:12:34,079 --> 02:12:35,840
the letter that council approved for me

3107
02:12:35,840 --> 02:12:37,679
to send.

3108
02:12:37,679 --> 02:12:40,639
So, in general, I highlighted the um

3109
02:12:40,639 --> 02:12:42,560
lacking King County and state road

3110
02:12:42,560 --> 02:12:45,280
infrastructure, transit services, the

3111
02:12:45,280 --> 02:12:47,360
lack of wraparound services in Duval

3112
02:12:47,360 --> 02:12:49,760
that support additional population and

3113
02:12:49,760 --> 02:12:51,920
lack of adequate transit to get to those

3114
02:12:51,920 --> 02:12:54,320
services reliably, and the many

3115
02:12:54,320 --> 02:12:56,480
emergency and disaster situations we're

3116
02:12:56,480 --> 02:12:59,040
vulnerable to out here. Um due to the

3117
02:12:59,040 --> 02:13:00,880
potential of disasters like flooding,

3118
02:13:00,880 --> 02:13:03,280
wildfires and more, I ask for

3119
02:13:03,280 --> 02:13:05,920
non-ontiguous cities like Duvall to be

3120
02:13:05,920 --> 02:13:07,679
thought of differently and potentially

3121
02:13:07,679 --> 02:13:09,840
look at what is our maximum population

3122
02:13:09,840 --> 02:13:11,679
out here rather than constantly

3123
02:13:11,679 --> 02:13:13,760
gradually adding more and more and more

3124
02:13:13,760 --> 02:13:15,599
and just thinking at some point we need

3125
02:13:15,599 --> 02:13:18,480
to look at a maximum. I also ask that

3126
02:13:18,480 --> 02:13:20,000
the next time King County votes through

3127
02:13:20,000 --> 02:13:21,840
the next round of growth allocation that

3128
02:13:21,840 --> 02:13:23,520
electeds be brought in more than

3129
02:13:23,520 --> 02:13:25,599
previously to weigh in on those

3130
02:13:25,599 --> 02:13:27,520
discussions as they directly represent

3131
02:13:27,520 --> 02:13:30,000
the residents of the city. I believe the

3132
02:13:30,000 --> 02:13:32,159
last round was mostly staff on staff and

3133
02:13:32,159 --> 02:13:33,599
there was not a lot of elected

3134
02:13:33,599 --> 02:13:35,599
engagement and I think that's a really

3135
02:13:35,599 --> 02:13:37,599
important uh distinction. So I did call

3136
02:13:37,599 --> 02:13:41,199
that out for the executive. Um, so as we

3137
02:13:41,199 --> 02:13:43,280
discussed at the council, um, before I

3138
02:13:43,280 --> 02:13:45,040
became mayor and then at with the new

3139
02:13:45,040 --> 02:13:48,480
letter in that role, um, I did not

3140
02:13:48,480 --> 02:13:50,880
formally ask for a reconciliation. That

3141
02:13:50,880 --> 02:13:53,599
was not council consensus. However, I

3142
02:13:53,599 --> 02:13:56,560
did in general ask them, is King County

3143
02:13:56,560 --> 02:13:59,119
considering reconciliations right now?

3144
02:13:59,119 --> 02:14:01,199
And their answer was that the county

3145
02:14:01,199 --> 02:14:03,280
will be restarting the growth allocation

3146
02:14:03,280 --> 02:14:06,159
process in 2029. So take from that what

3147
02:14:06,159 --> 02:14:08,560
you will. I think it's important that um

3148
02:14:08,560 --> 02:14:10,480
while the new growth allocation process

3149
02:14:10,480 --> 02:14:12,960
does begin in 2029, we have an

3150
02:14:12,960 --> 02:14:15,599
opportunity to inform in a data-driven

3151
02:14:15,599 --> 02:14:18,719
way the numbers as early as 2028 and a

3152
02:14:18,719 --> 02:14:20,639
thoughtful plan can show that the county

3153
02:14:20,639 --> 02:14:22,719
methodology and allocation of numbers

3154
02:14:22,719 --> 02:14:24,560
have not resulted in the development of

3155
02:14:24,560 --> 02:14:26,480
affordable housing as can be seen

3156
02:14:26,480 --> 02:14:28,159
through the affordable housing reporting

3157
02:14:28,159 --> 02:14:30,159
tool for non-ontiguous Snalami Valley

3158
02:14:30,159 --> 02:14:32,159
cities. So basically creating more

3159
02:14:32,159 --> 02:14:34,880
capacity has not resulted in more

3160
02:14:34,880 --> 02:14:36,719
interest from developers given the

3161
02:14:36,719 --> 02:14:38,800
constraints out here. Um we also talked

3162
02:14:38,800 --> 02:14:41,520
a bit about programs like ARCH. Um you

3163
02:14:41,520 --> 02:14:43,520
know we were just recently asked by SCA

3164
02:14:43,520 --> 02:14:46,800
why don't cities like us pay into ARCH

3165
02:14:46,800 --> 02:14:48,719
or regularly participate in that and the

3166
02:14:48,719 --> 02:14:50,239
simple answer is ARCH is never going to

3167
02:14:50,239 --> 02:14:51,679
build a project out here and why would

3168
02:14:51,679 --> 02:14:53,119
they? We don't have the transit. We

3169
02:14:53,119 --> 02:14:54,960
don't have the wraparound services. So

3170
02:14:54,960 --> 02:14:56,560
just explaining a little bit more of

3171
02:14:56,560 --> 02:14:59,920
that um and why that wouldn't happen out

3172
02:14:59,920 --> 02:15:01,920
here. But we still need right-sized

3173
02:15:01,920 --> 02:15:03,840
projects like senior housing and things

3174
02:15:03,840 --> 02:15:05,440
like that like our nation was able to do

3175
02:15:05,440 --> 02:15:07,599
with their senior center. Um some

3176
02:15:07,599 --> 02:15:09,760
non-growth related items that were

3177
02:15:09,760 --> 02:15:12,400
accomplished in this meeting is after we

3178
02:15:12,400 --> 02:15:14,560
got through the content of the letter we

3179
02:15:14,560 --> 02:15:16,079
took an impromptu walk down to the

3180
02:15:16,079 --> 02:15:18,159
Stonewall River and it was really

3181
02:15:18,159 --> 02:15:19,760
important because along the way we were

3182
02:15:19,760 --> 02:15:21,280
able to point out our various

3183
02:15:21,280 --> 02:15:23,599
facilities. Um I was able to show

3184
02:15:23,599 --> 02:15:25,840
executive Zahalai the fa very faded

3185
02:15:25,840 --> 02:15:27,840
signage on the Snowali Valley Trail. We

3186
02:15:27,840 --> 02:15:29,520
were talking about how our segment of

3187
02:15:29,520 --> 02:15:31,199
the trail compared to other cities is

3188
02:15:31,199 --> 02:15:33,360
extremely underinvested. And of course,

3189
02:15:33,360 --> 02:15:35,199
he noticed that our signs even had the

3190
02:15:35,199 --> 02:15:37,520
old Imperial logo of King County. Though

3191
02:15:37,520 --> 02:15:39,760
I think showing the eroding shoreline in

3192
02:15:39,760 --> 02:15:41,599
McCormack Park as well as just the

3193
02:15:41,599 --> 02:15:43,520
general proximity to these big natural

3194
02:15:43,520 --> 02:15:45,119
features we have like the river and then

3195
02:15:45,119 --> 02:15:47,199
walking back up to city hall. It's a big

3196
02:15:47,199 --> 02:15:49,520
hill to walk back up and just I think

3197
02:15:49,520 --> 02:15:51,599
it's just there's a uniqueness to Dubal

3198
02:15:51,599 --> 02:15:53,760
that have to be felt and experienced and

3199
02:15:53,760 --> 02:15:56,239
I can't put into a letter. So, we were

3200
02:15:56,239 --> 02:15:58,079
really excited to have him out here to

3201
02:15:58,079 --> 02:16:01,360
see it for himself. Um, but with that, I

3202
02:16:01,360 --> 02:16:02,880
would and I'll check in with you if

3203
02:16:02,880 --> 02:16:04,320
there's anything you would add to that

3204
02:16:04,320 --> 02:16:06,159
or did I mostly cover everything?

3205
02:16:06,159 --> 02:16:08,239
>> Yeah, I think so. We've had um an

3206
02:16:08,239 --> 02:16:09,840
opportunity for one of his staff members

3207
02:16:09,840 --> 02:16:12,639
to write back to us as well regarding

3208
02:16:12,639 --> 02:16:15,840
the affordable housing target and the

3209
02:16:15,840 --> 02:16:18,000
opportunity we have not necessarily to

3210
02:16:18,000 --> 02:16:21,040
go back and relitigate the 2023 numbers

3211
02:16:21,040 --> 02:16:22,719
through reconciliation but to look

3212
02:16:22,719 --> 02:16:26,239
forward and work on a reconciliation in

3213
02:16:26,239 --> 02:16:28,880
the future when they reopen the

3214
02:16:28,880 --> 02:16:31,199
affordable housing inventory tool which

3215
02:16:31,199 --> 02:16:34,880
begins as early as 2028.

3216
02:16:34,880 --> 02:16:37,120
>> Okay. So, with that, um, and I'll go to

3217
02:16:37,120 --> 02:16:39,599
you in one second. I guess, you know,

3218
02:16:39,599 --> 02:16:41,439
with this part of my report, I just

3219
02:16:41,439 --> 02:16:43,040
wanted to open it back up to council

3220
02:16:43,040 --> 02:16:45,200
since that was under your direction. And

3221
02:16:45,200 --> 02:16:47,280
like I said, you can always ask for it.

3222
02:16:47,280 --> 02:16:48,960
I think the answer from them was quite

3223
02:16:48,960 --> 02:16:51,840
clear of what they're thinking is more

3224
02:16:51,840 --> 02:16:54,000
look forward to that next process. I

3225
02:16:54,000 --> 02:16:55,439
know that's not the answer a lot of

3226
02:16:55,439 --> 02:16:57,840
people probably want, but mayor.

3227
02:16:57,840 --> 02:17:00,080
>> Yeah, it was more just was whether it

3228
02:17:00,080 --> 02:17:01,280
was a question or a point of

3229
02:17:01,280 --> 02:17:03,920
information. Um just hearing from the

3230
02:17:03,920 --> 02:17:07,760
public comments and and I know um city

3231
02:17:07,760 --> 02:17:09,599
administrator touched on this a little

3232
02:17:09,599 --> 02:17:12,479
bit during the council the whole but

3233
02:17:12,479 --> 02:17:15,200
just the clarification that we we

3234
02:17:15,200 --> 02:17:17,679
submitted a plan and it had based on a

3235
02:17:17,679 --> 02:17:20,000
certain set of numbers and it was

3236
02:17:20,000 --> 02:17:22,479
rejected and we're under appeal and I

3237
02:17:22,479 --> 02:17:23,679
don't know that that's clear to everyone

3238
02:17:23,679 --> 02:17:27,519
in the room. I want to make sure that is clear that this is not the

3239
02:17:27,519 --> 02:17:29,040
original goround. There was a lot of

3240
02:17:29,040 --> 02:17:30,479
community engagement. It was over

3241
02:17:30,479 --> 02:17:33,040
multiple years. we had public sessions.

3242
02:17:33,040 --> 02:17:36,559
Um that plan was submitted and then it

3243
02:17:36,559 --> 02:17:40,800
was uh rejected at both the state and at the county level. And so we're

3244
02:17:40,800 --> 02:17:42,719
going through the appeal process now. So

3245
02:17:42,719 --> 02:17:44,399
it is a little more constrained than if

3246
02:17:44,399 --> 02:17:46,559
we were doing this from scratch based on

3247
02:17:46,559 --> 02:17:50,080
time and and deadlines in order to meet

3248
02:17:50,080 --> 02:17:51,599
the statutory requirements for the

3249
02:17:51,599 --> 02:17:53,599
appeal process. But I wanted to to make

3250
02:17:53,599 --> 02:17:57,760
sure that the city administrator and or you mayor just you know clarify that

3251
02:17:57,760 --> 02:17:59,280
for the room since we have a slightly

3252
02:17:59,280 --> 02:18:00,719
different audience in here now than we

3253
02:18:00,719 --> 02:18:02,080
had during the council whole meeting.

3254
02:18:02,080 --> 02:18:03,599
>> Yeah. And I think since we were able to

3255
02:18:03,599 --> 02:18:05,040
cover some of these things in the

3256
02:18:05,040 --> 02:18:06,160
committee the whole but there's

3257
02:18:06,160 --> 02:18:07,760
obviously a lot of people here it might

3258
02:18:07,760 --> 02:18:09,599
be beneficial to recover some of those

3259
02:18:09,599 --> 02:18:11,200
and do you want to wait to have a light

3260
02:18:11,200 --> 02:18:13,280
discussion with council about what I

3261
02:18:13,280 --> 02:18:14,800
just talked about first or did you want

3262
02:18:14,800 --> 02:18:16,160
to go back through this first?

3263
02:18:16,160 --> 02:18:18,080
>> I can just show one slide to respond

3264
02:18:18,080 --> 02:18:20,639
directly to Mayor Prom. So if we go a

3265
02:18:20,639 --> 02:18:25,439
couple slides in uh one couple more

3266
02:18:25,439 --> 02:18:29,040
to this one. Yeah, there we go.

3267
02:18:29,040 --> 02:18:31,280
>> Um so

3268
02:18:31,280 --> 02:18:34,479
the comprehensive plan wasn't appealed

3269
02:18:34,479 --> 02:18:39,760
per se. Um the land use element and the

3270
02:18:39,760 --> 02:18:44,160
capacity analysis was appealed. So back

3271
02:18:44,160 --> 02:18:46,960
in 2024, the comprehensive plan covers a

3272
02:18:46,960 --> 02:18:49,439
lot of things. And so there was a large

3273
02:18:49,439 --> 02:18:54,000
public process um in 2024 with the

3274
02:18:54,000 --> 02:18:55,359
steering committee. So the steering

3275
02:18:55,359 --> 02:18:56,935
committee was made up and

3276
02:18:56,935 --> 02:18:58,080
[clears throat] comprised of community

3277
02:18:58,080 --> 02:19:00,639
members who steered the direction of the

3278
02:19:00,639 --> 02:19:02,559
comprehensive plan and all of the

3279
02:19:02,559 --> 02:19:05,040
elements including transportation, land

3280
02:19:05,040 --> 02:19:07,519
use, housing, parks, trails, and open

3281
02:19:07,519 --> 02:19:09,439
space, economic development. I'm sure

3282
02:19:09,439 --> 02:19:12,719
I'm saying one. Um so that public

3283
02:19:12,719 --> 02:19:14,479
process with the steering committee

3284
02:19:14,479 --> 02:19:17,920
resulted um on the timeline you see here

3285
02:19:17,920 --> 02:19:20,960
a series of public meetings to steer the

3286
02:19:20,960 --> 02:19:23,599
direction of the comprehensive plan. We

3287
02:19:23,599 --> 02:19:28,319
also had a separate community steering

3288
02:19:28,319 --> 02:19:29,920
um steering committee comprised of

3289
02:19:29,920 --> 02:19:32,240
community members and public outreach on

3290
02:19:32,240 --> 02:19:34,479
the housing action plan. And the housing

3291
02:19:34,479 --> 02:19:36,319
action plan is an element of the

3292
02:19:36,319 --> 02:19:38,800
comprehensive plan. It speaks to all the

3293
02:19:38,800 --> 02:19:42,639
housing policies that are in the city.

3294
02:19:42,639 --> 02:19:45,040
What the city failed to do when we

3295
02:19:45,040 --> 02:19:47,280
passed a comprehensive plan in December

3296
02:19:47,280 --> 02:19:51,200
of 2025 was to simultaneously

3297
02:19:51,200 --> 02:19:54,240
zone for capacity. So, the cities that

3298
02:19:54,240 --> 02:19:57,120
didn't get appealed did all of it. the

3299
02:19:57,120 --> 02:20:00,000
city of Duval failed to show that we had

3300
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:04,319
capacity for housing, specifically um

3301
02:20:04,319 --> 02:20:07,439
rates of affordable housing um under 80%

3302
02:20:07,439 --> 02:20:12,720
AMI and we didn't plan for our um jobs

3303
02:20:12,720 --> 02:20:16,000
numbers and so those elements of our

3304
02:20:16,000 --> 02:20:18,240
comprehensive plan were appealed. So, we

3305
02:20:18,240 --> 02:20:19,920
were directed by the state attorney

3306
02:20:19,920 --> 02:20:23,040
general office and the state commerce

3307
02:20:23,040 --> 02:20:25,520
department to fix those items of the

3308
02:20:25,520 --> 02:20:27,280
comprehensive plan. So, we're not

3309
02:20:27,280 --> 02:20:29,359
redoing this massive project that

3310
02:20:29,359 --> 02:20:32,640
happened in 2024. We are doing an

3311
02:20:32,640 --> 02:20:34,399
element of it that should have been done

3312
02:20:34,399 --> 02:20:36,160
back when we passed the entire

3313
02:20:36,160 --> 02:20:37,680
comprehensive plan.

3314
02:20:37,680 --> 02:20:41,359
>> Um, relative to kind of how the state is

3315
02:20:41,359 --> 02:20:44,640
viewing cities. Um so we are one of the

3316
02:20:44,640 --> 02:20:46,800
few cities that got appealed along with

3317
02:20:46,800 --> 02:20:49,920
Mercer Island. Um some cities didn't get

3318
02:20:49,920 --> 02:20:53,680
appealed directly but are now under an

3319
02:20:53,680 --> 02:20:55,600
audit from the department of commerce

3320
02:20:55,600 --> 02:20:57,520
including our neighbors to the south

3321
02:20:57,520 --> 02:21:00,960
carnation Bainbridge Island Bozart. So

3322
02:21:00,960 --> 02:21:02,800
there were two directions that the state

3323
02:21:02,800 --> 02:21:04,960
basically said you will manage your

3324
02:21:04,960 --> 02:21:06,640
comprehensive plan and do what we tell

3325
02:21:06,640 --> 02:21:08,399
you to do in terms of regulatory

3326
02:21:08,399 --> 02:21:10,960
changes. That was like us. we got

3327
02:21:10,960 --> 02:21:13,280
appealed and the other process is these

3328
02:21:13,280 --> 02:21:17,760
single audits that um the cities who

3329
02:21:17,760 --> 02:21:20,080
also didn't meet their capacity

3330
02:21:20,080 --> 02:21:22,640
requirements got uh audited by the

3331
02:21:22,640 --> 02:21:24,000
department of commerce. So there was

3332
02:21:24,000 --> 02:21:27,040
kind of two ways um that this happened.

3333
02:21:27,040 --> 02:21:28,880
We are under a settlement agreement with

3334
02:21:28,880 --> 02:21:30,479
the department of commerce. We are

3335
02:21:30,479 --> 02:21:34,640
required to do a set of um items that is

3336
02:21:34,640 --> 02:21:37,760
an adopted work plan by December 31st,

3337
02:21:37,760 --> 02:21:41,040
2026. So we have about five more months.

3338
02:21:41,040 --> 02:21:42,880
That doesn't mean that there isn't other

3339
02:21:42,880 --> 02:21:44,640
work that we can do once we get through

3340
02:21:44,640 --> 02:21:47,359
the appeal. So things like creating

3341
02:21:47,359 --> 02:21:50,240
historical overlays or uh affordable

3342
02:21:50,240 --> 02:21:52,960
housing overlays complement our

3343
02:21:52,960 --> 02:21:54,800
comprehensive plan. And if you look at

3344
02:21:54,800 --> 02:21:56,319
the land use element in the housing

3345
02:21:56,319 --> 02:21:58,560
action plan, those kinds of things,

3346
02:21:58,560 --> 02:22:01,200
those kind of programs are embedded in

3347
02:22:01,200 --> 02:22:03,359
the comprehensive plan that was adopted

3348
02:22:03,359 --> 02:22:07,200
in 2025. So we have to do kind of a list

3349
02:22:07,200 --> 02:22:08,880
of six things that the state is telling

3350
02:22:08,880 --> 02:22:11,200
us to do by the end of 2026. But that

3351
02:22:11,200 --> 02:22:12,640
doesn't mean that there isn't more work

3352
02:22:12,640 --> 02:22:14,640
that can complement the comprehensive

3353
02:22:14,640 --> 02:22:16,800
plan in 2027 and 2028.

3354
02:22:16,800 --> 02:22:18,640
>> I hope that answers your question.

3355
02:22:18,640 --> 02:22:22,160
>> I other council members

3356
02:22:22,160 --> 02:22:23,680
and I mean at this point you don't need

3357
02:22:23,680 --> 02:22:25,760
to make a decision. I just you know

3358
02:22:25,760 --> 02:22:27,680
wanted to update you on what our meeting

3359
02:22:27,680 --> 02:22:29,920
was like with the King County Executive

3360
02:22:29,920 --> 02:22:32,880
and uh Council Member Olen.

3361
02:22:32,880 --> 02:22:34,240
>> Yeah. Yeah, I just wanted to ask to what

3362
02:22:34,240 --> 02:22:37,359
degree Executive Zahalai was was as

3363
02:22:37,359 --> 02:22:38,960
sympathetic and I mean this is a soft

3364
02:22:38,960 --> 02:22:40,399
thing, not a hard thing, but to what to

3365
02:22:40,399 --> 02:22:42,640
what degree was he empathetic at all to

3366
02:22:42,640 --> 02:22:44,319
some of the concerns we have around

3367
02:22:44,319 --> 02:22:45,920
emergency medical services, around

3368
02:22:45,920 --> 02:22:48,399
infrastructure, uh as it relates to

3369
02:22:48,399 --> 02:22:52,399
adding so much development.

3370
02:22:52,399 --> 02:22:57,200
>> Uh I mean, okay, I'm swiggling here. I

3371
02:22:57,200 --> 02:23:00,160
um you know, I made the case for Duvall.

3372
02:23:00,160 --> 02:23:01,439
I'm going to continue to make the case

3373
02:23:01,439 --> 02:23:03,120
for Duvall. have become a squeaky wheel

3374
02:23:03,120 --> 02:23:04,640
in every regional committee that I

3375
02:23:04,640 --> 02:23:07,280
attend. Executive Zahalai is on some of

3376
02:23:07,280 --> 02:23:10,160
those. Um I didn't say anything new that

3377
02:23:10,160 --> 02:23:12,479
I haven't been saying since January in

3378
02:23:12,479 --> 02:23:14,880
this letter and for the last eight years

3379
02:23:14,880 --> 02:23:18,160
that I've been serving the city. So it's

3380
02:23:18,160 --> 02:23:20,080
um you know honestly I feel a little

3381
02:23:20,080 --> 02:23:22,640
frustrated. I think they're not quite in

3382
02:23:22,640 --> 02:23:24,880
that level of detail. They are just

3383
02:23:24,880 --> 02:23:26,560
looking at big regional things. Actually

3384
02:23:26,560 --> 02:23:28,560
that's one thing that um thank you. You

3385
02:23:28,560 --> 02:23:30,240
just reminded me talking about

3386
02:23:30,240 --> 02:23:32,240
affordability. You know, I also had

3387
02:23:32,240 --> 02:23:35,359
pointed out to him that we're regionally

3388
02:23:35,359 --> 02:23:37,200
affordable. So, we're affordable

3389
02:23:37,200 --> 02:23:38,560
compared to Kirkland, compared to

3390
02:23:38,560 --> 02:23:41,920
Redmond, but someone had mentioned their daughter couldn't live here. My

3391
02:23:41,920 --> 02:23:43,359
mom would love to live here and she

3392
02:23:43,359 --> 02:23:45,359
can't. So, she lives up in Everett. And

3393
02:23:45,359 --> 02:23:47,280
so, I'm like, regional affordability,

3394
02:23:47,280 --> 02:23:48,399
that's what they're looking. They're

3395
02:23:48,399 --> 02:23:50,640
looking way up here. And I'm saying

3396
02:23:50,640 --> 02:23:52,720
locally, we're not affordable. You can't

3397
02:23:52,720 --> 02:23:55,120
grow up here and get your first place at

3398
02:23:55,120 --> 02:23:57,120
working a job in VBA. That just doesn't

3399
02:23:57,120 --> 02:24:00,399
exist here. And so I think there is not

3400
02:24:00,399 --> 02:24:02,080
quite an understanding and this was kind

3401
02:24:02,080 --> 02:24:03,840
of the job question that had come up

3402
02:24:03,840 --> 02:24:05,840
asking well where do your service

3403
02:24:05,840 --> 02:24:08,319
workers live and I'm like not here

3404
02:24:08,319 --> 02:24:10,160
mostly or a lot of our service workers

3405
02:24:10,160 --> 02:24:11,760
are the teenagers and I talked about the

3406
02:24:11,760 --> 02:24:13,120
flooding and how the teenagers were

3407
02:24:13,120 --> 02:24:14,640
running the town when everything was

3408
02:24:14,640 --> 02:24:17,760
shut down and I think there's just a

3409
02:24:17,760 --> 02:24:19,840
little disconnect right and so this is a

3410
02:24:19,840 --> 02:24:21,760
part of that relationship building and I

3411
02:24:21,760 --> 02:24:23,680
will keep telling the story of Duval

3412
02:24:23,680 --> 02:24:26,319
non-ontiguous cities and for people who

3413
02:24:26,319 --> 02:24:27,600
don't know that term that just means

3414
02:24:27,600 --> 02:24:29,680
We're not a city that bumps right up

3415
02:24:29,680 --> 02:24:32,640
against another city. I also really, I

3416
02:24:32,640 --> 02:24:34,240
think hopefully drove home the point

3417
02:24:34,240 --> 02:24:37,280
that we constantly serve unincorporated

3418
02:24:37,280 --> 02:24:39,359
King County residents and that's okay.

3419
02:24:39,359 --> 02:24:41,840
We are their town, too, even though they

3420
02:24:41,840 --> 02:24:44,240
don't live in the city limits. But some

3421
02:24:44,240 --> 02:24:46,160
recognition every time that King County

3422
02:24:46,160 --> 02:24:48,080
passes a new tax or does something new,

3423
02:24:48,080 --> 02:24:49,600
is a pass through to the city,

3424
02:24:49,600 --> 02:24:51,760
recognizing that our parks serve King

3425
02:24:51,760 --> 02:24:54,640
County residents as well. So, there was

3426
02:24:54,640 --> 02:24:57,200
a lot of discussion. I can't really, you

3427
02:24:57,200 --> 02:24:58,800
know, answer your question because I

3428
02:24:58,800 --> 02:25:01,040
just don't know. I didn't feel a whole

3429
02:25:01,040 --> 02:25:03,520
lot of reaction at all if that sort of

3430
02:25:03,520 --> 02:25:05,280
answers your question, but I, you know,

3431
02:25:05,280 --> 02:25:06,640
I don't know what he was thinking or

3432
02:25:06,640 --> 02:25:08,319
what where his mind was at. My hope is

3433
02:25:08,319 --> 02:25:11,040
just that this is one of many future

3434
02:25:11,040 --> 02:25:12,800
conversations that I will continue to

3435
02:25:12,800 --> 02:25:17,439
have and I won't stop reaching out and telling that story of Dubal and why

3436
02:25:17,439 --> 02:25:19,439
we're different. So, I don't know. Does

3437
02:25:19,439 --> 02:25:21,920
that kind of answer your [laughter]

3438
02:25:21,920 --> 02:25:23,280
question?

3439
02:25:23,280 --> 02:25:24,960
>> Yeah. I I mean that that's that's

3440
02:25:24,960 --> 02:25:27,920
essentially what I expected and and

3441
02:25:27,920 --> 02:25:29,200
I think it's important to continue

3442
02:25:29,200 --> 02:25:31,040
telling the story. I you know I I I do

3443
02:25:31,040 --> 02:25:32,560
the same whenever I have the opportunity

3444
02:25:32,560 --> 02:25:34,479
and so yeah just to help them understand

3445
02:25:34,479 --> 02:25:40,240
and start to see you know the picture at our level um is is important. So

3446
02:25:40,240 --> 02:25:40,800
thank you.

3447
02:25:40,800 --> 02:25:42,720
>> Yeah I mean I did I mean maybe I don't

3448
02:25:42,720 --> 02:25:44,960
know I got the impression that maybe he

3449
02:25:44,960 --> 02:25:46,560
hadn't heard some of these perspectives

3450
02:25:46,560 --> 02:25:48,640
before. So I am happy to continue

3451
02:25:48,640 --> 02:25:50,245
sending those perspectives his way

3452
02:25:50,245 --> 02:25:52,160
[laughter] over to his staff. So

3453
02:25:52,160 --> 02:25:54,399
>> well and I would say he chose to bring

3454
02:25:54,399 --> 02:25:56,000
as one of the staff members that

3455
02:25:56,000 --> 02:25:58,560
accompanied him the lead regional

3456
02:25:58,560 --> 02:26:01,040
planner in King County. So he had the

3457
02:26:01,040 --> 02:26:03,280
right person in the room to hear our

3458
02:26:03,280 --> 02:26:05,520
concerns around our growth targets.

3459
02:26:05,520 --> 02:26:07,439
>> That was a very valuable connection and

3460
02:26:07,439 --> 02:26:09,040
yeah thank you for mentioning that. I

3461
02:26:09,040 --> 02:26:10,800
think that will be key going forward in

3462
02:26:10,800 --> 02:26:13,600
the future and looking forward to when

3463
02:26:13,600 --> 02:26:17,200
this round of next round of reallocation

3464
02:26:17,200 --> 02:26:19,200
uh starts again. And I think we're

3465
02:26:19,200 --> 02:26:21,600
getting some good partners. Uh SCA,

3466
02:26:21,600 --> 02:26:23,359
which is Sound Cities Association, for

3467
02:26:23,359 --> 02:26:24,560
those in the room that don't know that

3468
02:26:24,560 --> 02:26:26,640
acronym, um they have their small cities

3469
02:26:26,640 --> 02:26:29,040
work group. And I think AWC is also

3470
02:26:29,040 --> 02:26:30,479
getting I know their definition of a

3471
02:26:30,479 --> 02:26:32,640
small city is way smaller than us, but

3472
02:26:32,640 --> 02:26:34,240
um I think there's some good work

3473
02:26:34,240 --> 02:26:37,120
happening as a region and we're starting

3474
02:26:37,120 --> 02:26:39,920
to get louder and more organized and um

3475
02:26:39,920 --> 02:26:41,600
I'm happy to help contribute to that

3476
02:26:41,600 --> 02:26:44,080
anywhere I can.

3477
02:26:44,080 --> 02:26:45,760
Are there other questions or thoughts?

3478
02:26:45,760 --> 02:26:48,319
And like I said, you don't have to um I

3479
02:26:48,319 --> 02:26:50,080
guess sort of my I just want to at least

3480
02:26:50,080 --> 02:26:52,240
tell you what happened and you can think

3481
02:26:52,240 --> 02:26:54,640
about, you know, is there anything else

3482
02:26:54,640 --> 02:26:56,560
you want to do at this point other than

3483
02:26:56,560 --> 02:27:00,240
plan for that round that is coming in a

3484
02:27:00,240 --> 02:27:03,280
little over a year, honestly. So, um

3485
02:27:03,280 --> 02:27:06,800
yeah, other council members.

3486
02:27:06,800 --> 02:27:08,560
Okay. And then I wanted to I know we

3487
02:27:08,560 --> 02:27:10,240
covered the city administrators report.

3488
02:27:10,240 --> 02:27:11,920
Is there anything you wanted to recover

3489
02:27:11,920 --> 02:27:13,040
or are you good?

3490
02:27:13,040 --> 02:27:13,840
>> I don't think [clears throat] so.

3491
02:27:13,840 --> 02:27:16,080
>> Yeah. Okay. Um, I know that's not usual,

3492
02:27:16,080 --> 02:27:17,200
but like I said, we have a lot of people

3493
02:27:17,200 --> 02:27:18,720
in the room. Um, so next up we have

3494
02:27:18,720 --> 02:27:20,240
council reports. Are there any council

3495
02:27:20,240 --> 02:27:23,920
members wanting to speak tonight?

3496
02:27:23,920 --> 02:27:27,280
Council member Olen,

3497
02:27:27,280 --> 02:27:29,840
>> I did have a a report. I I'll thank you

3498
02:27:29,840 --> 02:27:32,000
for that. I I'll start with with just

3499
02:27:32,000 --> 02:27:33,600
kind of echoing on the same topic. I

3500
02:27:33,600 --> 02:27:35,120
mean, so one of the one of the events I

3501
02:27:35,120 --> 02:27:38,000
attended recently was the the Sound

3502
02:27:38,000 --> 02:27:41,600
Cities Association summer social at the Lake Wilderness Lodge in Maple

3503
02:27:41,600 --> 02:27:44,720
Valley. And um I'm going to edit this

3504
02:27:44,720 --> 02:27:46,720
down a little bit just given the the

3505
02:27:46,720 --> 02:27:49,920
nature of the evening. Um I had two two

3506
02:27:49,920 --> 02:27:51,439
really interesting conversations there.

3507
02:27:51,439 --> 02:27:53,920
One of them was with the keynote speaker

3508
02:27:53,920 --> 02:27:56,160
was was former King County Executive

3509
02:27:56,160 --> 02:27:58,800
Shannon Bradock and it was a really

3510
02:27:58,800 --> 02:28:00,399
interesting conversation with her. She

3511
02:28:00,399 --> 02:28:02,479
now is the the president and CEO of

3512
02:28:02,479 --> 02:28:05,280
Greater president and CEO of Greater

3513
02:28:05,280 --> 02:28:07,200
Seattle Partners, which is a public

3514
02:28:07,200 --> 02:28:09,600
private partnership focused on regional

3515
02:28:09,600 --> 02:28:11,280
economic development and attracting jobs

3516
02:28:11,280 --> 02:28:12,800
and investment to the greater Seattle

3517
02:28:12,800 --> 02:28:14,960
area. And so, you know, I pulled her

3518
02:28:14,960 --> 02:28:16,399
aside and we spoke for a little bit

3519
02:28:16,399 --> 02:28:18,319
about what might be important for a

3520
02:28:18,319 --> 02:28:22,240
small town like Duvall. Um because a lot

3521
02:28:22,240 --> 02:28:23,200
of times, you know, they're they're

3522
02:28:23,200 --> 02:28:24,479
really thinking big picture and they're

3523
02:28:24,479 --> 02:28:25,760
thinking, you know, Seattle and they're

3524
02:28:25,760 --> 02:28:27,040
thinking Redmond and, you know,

3525
02:28:27,040 --> 02:28:28,960
Belleview and and things like that and

3526
02:28:28,960 --> 02:28:31,200
huge economic drivers for the for the,

3527
02:28:31,200 --> 02:28:32,720
you know, for the the community at

3528
02:28:32,720 --> 02:28:34,560
large. And I pulled her aside and I

3529
02:28:34,560 --> 02:28:35,760
said, you know, what what should we be

3530
02:28:35,760 --> 02:28:37,359
thinking about, you know, as as a

3531
02:28:37,359 --> 02:28:39,359
smaller town? And she said, really, you

3532
02:28:39,359 --> 02:28:40,880
know, there's there's actually a lot of

3533
02:28:40,880 --> 02:28:43,680
value to the region in general in being

3534
02:28:43,680 --> 02:28:46,080
a better community, so don't overlook

3535
02:28:46,080 --> 02:28:48,319
that, and it's okay if that's what you

3536
02:28:48,319 --> 02:28:50,000
choose to do, she said. But really what

3537
02:28:50,000 --> 02:28:52,240
what's important is that as a community

3538
02:28:52,240 --> 02:28:54,080
you stop and you think about what do you

3539
02:28:54,080 --> 02:28:57,040
want your true north to be. Um and then

3540
02:28:57,040 --> 02:28:59,600
focus on on that. Focus on what that

3541
02:28:59,600 --> 02:29:01,200
true north is. You know, do you want to

3542
02:29:01,200 --> 02:29:03,439
be a a music and arts community? Do you

3543
02:29:03,439 --> 02:29:04,800
want to be a veteran community? What

3544
02:29:04,800 --> 02:29:06,640
does that look like? Um and then build

3545
02:29:06,640 --> 02:29:08,560
your policies around that. And I just

3546
02:29:08,560 --> 02:29:10,240
thought that was a really interesting uh

3547
02:29:10,240 --> 02:29:12,560
comment from her. Um so that was one

3548
02:29:12,560 --> 02:29:13,760
really interesting conversation I had.

3549
02:29:13,760 --> 02:29:16,319
And the other conversation I had was

3550
02:29:16,319 --> 02:29:18,720
with uh a member of the governor's

3551
02:29:18,720 --> 02:29:20,080
office. He happened to be there. He was

3552
02:29:20,080 --> 02:29:22,080
the governor's representative for King

3553
02:29:22,080 --> 02:29:24,319
County. And when he introduced himself,

3554
02:29:24,319 --> 02:29:25,840
I mean, I just jumped at the opportunity

3555
02:29:25,840 --> 02:29:29,200
and I I really had uh a similar

3556
02:29:29,200 --> 02:29:31,920
conversation as what you described with

3557
02:29:31,920 --> 02:29:33,760
executive Zahalai. You know, I I pulled

3558
02:29:33,760 --> 02:29:35,200
him aside and I said, you know, can I

3559
02:29:35,200 --> 02:29:36,399
take, you know, can I been your year for

3560
02:29:36,399 --> 02:29:38,080
several minutes? And and so we walked

3561
02:29:38,080 --> 02:29:39,600
off to the side and we sat down and I

3562
02:29:39,600 --> 02:29:42,080
drew them a map of Duval and I explained

3563
02:29:42,080 --> 02:29:44,720
what our roads infrastructure looks like

3564
02:29:44,720 --> 02:29:46,800
and I talked about, you know, I talked

3565
02:29:46,800 --> 02:29:48,960
about 203 and that's their road and I

3566
02:29:48,960 --> 02:29:51,680
talked about WD and I talked about 124th

3567
02:29:51,680 --> 02:29:53,040
and how these are county roads and

3568
02:29:53,040 --> 02:29:55,040
they're not ours and I talked about what

3569
02:29:55,040 --> 02:29:57,120
these expansion plans are and and how we

3570
02:29:57,120 --> 02:29:59,840
have to reszone in order to satisfy, you

3571
02:29:59,840 --> 02:30:01,120
know, Department of Commerce growth

3572
02:30:01,120 --> 02:30:02,399
requirements and GMA growth

3573
02:30:02,399 --> 02:30:04,240
requirements, but that we don't have the

3574
02:30:04,240 --> 02:30:05,840
infrastructure really to support this.

3575
02:30:05,840 --> 02:30:08,319
and I have real, you know, social equity

3576
02:30:08,319 --> 02:30:10,880
concerns and that I like the idea for my

3577
02:30:10,880 --> 02:30:12,800
kids to be able to have a home to move

3578
02:30:12,800 --> 02:30:14,399
into when they're ready to join the

3579
02:30:14,399 --> 02:30:16,560
workforce. Um, I like them being able to

3580
02:30:16,560 --> 02:30:18,000
afford that. I like the idea of being

3581
02:30:18,000 --> 02:30:21,120
able to downsize when when I retire. Uh,

3582
02:30:21,120 --> 02:30:22,640
but though it's it's not necessarily

3583
02:30:22,640 --> 02:30:25,280
affordable to do that right now. Um, and

3584
02:30:25,280 --> 02:30:26,960
so I like the idea of adding affordable

3585
02:30:26,960 --> 02:30:29,920
homes, but adding these affordable homes

3586
02:30:29,920 --> 02:30:31,920
is really a challenge because as we

3587
02:30:31,920 --> 02:30:34,479
invite new residents into our community,

3588
02:30:34,479 --> 02:30:36,960
it's it's it's again it's really a

3589
02:30:36,960 --> 02:30:38,560
challenge. You know, we had these floods

3590
02:30:38,560 --> 02:30:41,359
and when this flood was here, how you

3591
02:30:41,359 --> 02:30:43,280
know, we have to, you know, boat people

3592
02:30:43,280 --> 02:30:44,960
across the river back and forth across

3593
02:30:44,960 --> 02:30:46,319
the valley. We have mothers that can't

3594
02:30:46,319 --> 02:30:48,479
get home to their kids and etc. So, it's

3595
02:30:48,479 --> 02:30:50,319
a real concern. And so, how do we handle

3596
02:30:50,319 --> 02:30:52,000
that? you know, and as I drew this map

3597
02:30:52,000 --> 02:30:53,439
for him, you know, on the back of a

3598
02:30:53,439 --> 02:30:54,880
napkin helped him understand that. He

3599
02:30:54,880 --> 02:30:57,359
said, you know, I've heard similar

3600
02:30:57,359 --> 02:31:01,120
concerns to this from other cities, but sitting here and kind of drawing it

3601
02:31:01,120 --> 02:31:02,640
out with you, it really it really helps

3602
02:31:02,640 --> 02:31:04,160
to hit home. And you know, I had a

3603
02:31:04,160 --> 02:31:05,520
similar kind of conversation with

3604
02:31:05,520 --> 02:31:08,160
Carnation, but um uh this was really

3605
02:31:08,160 --> 02:31:12,880
impactful and thank you for that. And he ended up going back to his office and

3606
02:31:12,880 --> 02:31:14,000
he said, "I'm going to talk with my

3607
02:31:14,000 --> 02:31:15,600
policy people." Obviously, I don't

3608
02:31:15,600 --> 02:31:16,960
expect any immediate action to come back

3609
02:31:16,960 --> 02:31:18,800
from that, you know, but but he he did

3610
02:31:18,800 --> 02:31:20,560
hear it and he said, "I'm going to speak

3611
02:31:20,560 --> 02:31:22,399
with my policy people so we can, you

3612
02:31:22,399 --> 02:31:23,600
know, begin thinking about how this

3613
02:31:23,600 --> 02:31:25,200
impacts people in the future and, you

3614
02:31:25,200 --> 02:31:27,520
know, the non-ontiguous city thing." And

3615
02:31:27,520 --> 02:31:29,120
um he did follow up with me with an

3616
02:31:29,120 --> 02:31:31,760
email the next day. Um and and kind of

3617
02:31:31,760 --> 02:31:33,359
thanked me for the time and you know,

3618
02:31:33,359 --> 02:31:34,720
some of that may have just been his job

3619
02:31:34,720 --> 02:31:36,000
and that's what he's supposed to do, but

3620
02:31:36,000 --> 02:31:38,720
I but he really did uh lend a sincere

3621
02:31:38,720 --> 02:31:40,640
ear and really kind of internalize it

3622
02:31:40,640 --> 02:31:43,040
and and provide good feedback. And so,

3623
02:31:43,040 --> 02:31:44,160
um, I thought that was a really good

3624
02:31:44,160 --> 02:31:45,520
conversation and and just, you know, he

3625
02:31:45,520 --> 02:31:46,800
really invited me to follow up in the

3626
02:31:46,800 --> 02:31:49,200
future. So, that was a good event and a

3627
02:31:49,200 --> 02:31:51,040
good conversation. Um, so I really

3628
02:31:51,040 --> 02:31:55,200
appreciated that. Um, and then

3629
02:31:55,200 --> 02:31:57,760
one other one other mention I I'll offer

3630
02:31:57,760 --> 02:31:59,120
which is really completely unrelated,

3631
02:31:59,120 --> 02:32:00,319
but I thought it was a really good

3632
02:32:00,319 --> 02:32:02,399
event. So I attended a session on

3633
02:32:02,399 --> 02:32:04,000
emergency preparedness that was put on

3634
02:32:04,000 --> 02:32:06,319
by the King Kob King County Office of

3635
02:32:06,319 --> 02:32:08,960
Emergency Management and it was sort of

3636
02:32:08,960 --> 02:32:12,080
a retrospective look at Sai and the

3637
02:32:12,080 --> 02:32:14,720
impact of the the the great East Japan

3638
02:32:14,720 --> 02:32:16,720
earthquake and the tsunami that followed

3639
02:32:16,720 --> 02:32:18,160
and how it really devastated their

3640
02:32:18,160 --> 02:32:21,680
community. And one of the the the the

3641
02:32:21,680 --> 02:32:23,600
most fascinating takeaways I took from

3642
02:32:23,600 --> 02:32:26,080
that was, you know, at first residents

3643
02:32:26,080 --> 02:32:28,960
really reacted and were upset with local

3644
02:32:28,960 --> 02:32:32,319
officials at how um how there were just

3645
02:32:32,319 --> 02:32:34,720
such a massive failure uh from an

3646
02:32:34,720 --> 02:32:36,160
infrastructure perspective to protect

3647
02:32:36,160 --> 02:32:37,680
the community and and how things had

3648
02:32:37,680 --> 02:32:39,520
gone wrong. But then they realized that

3649
02:32:39,520 --> 02:32:42,080
this the the scale of the problem is

3650
02:32:42,080 --> 02:32:46,000
just so massive that that one person

3651
02:32:46,000 --> 02:32:47,840
can't solve it. Five people can't solve

3652
02:32:47,840 --> 02:32:49,920
it. And so they've really kind of

3653
02:32:49,920 --> 02:32:53,520
shifted the culture uh entirely there to

3654
02:32:53,520 --> 02:32:56,319
now the community as a whole has adopted

3655
02:32:56,319 --> 02:32:59,920
responsibility for for

3656
02:32:59,920 --> 02:33:02,479
emergency preparedness. And so this has

3657
02:33:02,479 --> 02:33:06,560
gone so far as to um for example it's

3658
02:33:06,560 --> 02:33:08,080
now built into the school curriculum.

3659
02:33:08,080 --> 02:33:10,240
And so they take, you know, their their

3660
02:33:10,240 --> 02:33:12,319
elementary school kids out and the kids

3661
02:33:12,319 --> 02:33:14,800
in classroom, they draw maps of the

3662
02:33:14,800 --> 02:33:16,319
community and then they go out and they

3663
02:33:16,319 --> 02:33:17,760
walk around the community and they look

3664
02:33:17,760 --> 02:33:19,840
at low points in elevation and high

3665
02:33:19,840 --> 02:33:21,200
points in elevation and if there's

3666
02:33:21,200 --> 02:33:23,200
flooding, here's the quickest way to get

3667
02:33:23,200 --> 02:33:25,120
to the higher point in elevation. And

3668
02:33:25,120 --> 02:33:26,479
you the the way they build their

3669
02:33:26,479 --> 02:33:27,920
infrastructure now, you know, they they

3670
02:33:27,920 --> 02:33:30,640
actually elevate streets. So if a

3671
02:33:30,640 --> 02:33:32,640
tsunami comes in, you know, the elevated

3672
02:33:32,640 --> 02:33:35,359
streets act as BMS to slow down, you

3673
02:33:35,359 --> 02:33:37,600
know, water coming in. I it was just a

3674
02:33:37,600 --> 02:33:43,200
really fascinating look um at at how the culture of the community shifted um

3675
02:33:43,200 --> 02:33:45,920
to help distribute uh and carry the

3676
02:33:45,920 --> 02:33:47,600
weight of some of these burdens. And so

3677
02:33:47,600 --> 02:33:48,720
anyway, it was it was a really

3678
02:33:48,720 --> 02:33:50,960
interesting thing and so uh I was really

3679
02:33:50,960 --> 02:33:52,080
impressed by that. You know, middle

3680
02:33:52,080 --> 02:33:53,439
schoolers learned how to do water

3681
02:33:53,439 --> 02:33:55,840
distribution uh for the entire town as a

3682
02:33:55,840 --> 02:33:59,120
part of their their uh um curriculum. So

3683
02:33:59,120 --> 02:34:00,479
it was an interesting it was a really

3684
02:34:00,479 --> 02:34:02,880
interesting session. Um so that was that

3685
02:34:02,880 --> 02:34:04,160
was the last one. Then I guess suppose

3686
02:34:04,160 --> 02:34:06,640
was the last thing uh barefoot Tim

3687
02:34:06,640 --> 02:34:08,720
Mercer and I attended the the the

3688
02:34:08,720 --> 02:34:10,319
working waterfront tour hosted by the

3689
02:34:10,319 --> 02:34:11,840
port of Seattle where we went down to

3690
02:34:11,840 --> 02:34:13,760
the to the port and got to tour around

3691
02:34:13,760 --> 02:34:16,000
and understand the the economics of the

3692
02:34:16,000 --> 02:34:19,280
port and and look at uh really all how

3693
02:34:19,280 --> 02:34:20,479
everything different function. We look

3694
02:34:20,479 --> 02:34:21,840
so we looked at the economics and we

3695
02:34:21,840 --> 02:34:25,840
also looked at how um over time

3696
02:34:25,840 --> 02:34:29,359
uh environmentally the the tribes have been involved and how they've done

3697
02:34:29,359 --> 02:34:31,680
some environmental restoration and and

3698
02:34:31,680 --> 02:34:33,120
uh kept the port in business and things

3699
02:34:33,120 --> 02:34:34,240
like that. We had several good

3700
02:34:34,240 --> 02:34:35,680
conversations with different mayors and

3701
02:34:35,680 --> 02:34:37,040
council members and things while we were

3702
02:34:37,040 --> 02:34:38,319
there. Uh it was really good

3703
02:34:38,319 --> 02:34:40,720
relationship building as well. So uh

3704
02:34:40,720 --> 02:34:42,399
several other events as well not as

3705
02:34:42,399 --> 02:34:44,800
relevant for tonight. Um so I'll I'll

3706
02:34:44,800 --> 02:34:47,680
leave it with that. Thank you.

3707
02:34:47,680 --> 02:34:48,960
>> Great. Other council members have

3708
02:34:48,960 --> 02:34:50,800
reports. Mayor Chris Summer.

3709
02:34:50,800 --> 02:34:53,280
>> Yeah. So, I'll keep this relatively

3710
02:34:53,280 --> 02:34:55,760
brief. Um, council member Olen touched

3711
02:34:55,760 --> 02:34:57,439
on the port. I I think that was

3712
02:34:57,439 --> 02:34:59,120
informative, but we always learn a lot,

3713
02:34:59,120 --> 02:35:00,640
you know, in terms of the port is an

3714
02:35:00,640 --> 02:35:02,640
economic driver for the region versus

3715
02:35:02,640 --> 02:35:08,000
just Seattle is who we think of it and just the amount of, you know, even

3716
02:35:08,000 --> 02:35:10,000
just seeing it visually in terms of the

3717
02:35:10,000 --> 02:35:11,680
inlets and the various, it was much

3718
02:35:11,680 --> 02:35:14,399
bigger than I think either one of us

3719
02:35:14,399 --> 02:35:16,319
anticipated. Plus, it was some good

3720
02:35:16,319 --> 02:35:17,840
opportunities to talk. There was a

3721
02:35:17,840 --> 02:35:19,439
number of folks from the St. Paul Valley

3722
02:35:19,439 --> 02:35:21,200
there as well as other other

3723
02:35:21,200 --> 02:35:24,479
jurisdictions. Um there was not a a a

3724
02:35:24,479 --> 02:35:26,560
public issues committee SCA or sound

3725
02:35:26,560 --> 02:35:29,840
cities association public issues um

3726
02:35:29,840 --> 02:35:31,359
committee meeting this month and they

3727
02:35:31,359 --> 02:35:35,680
were in recess. Um but I think the I

3728
02:35:35,680 --> 02:35:37,520
wanted to sort of revisit something that

3729
02:35:37,520 --> 02:35:39,359
the city administrator touched on in

3730
02:35:39,359 --> 02:35:43,359
terms of and you may in terms of other

3731
02:35:43,359 --> 02:35:45,760
venues we have to to really drive this.

3732
02:35:45,760 --> 02:35:49,439
Um I am on as part of also part of this

3733
02:35:49,439 --> 02:35:52,960
the small cities working group which um

3734
02:35:52,960 --> 02:35:54,800
sound cities association stood up to

3735
02:35:54,800 --> 02:35:56,560
sort of address a need that they

3736
02:35:56,560 --> 02:35:59,120
identify between how the association of

3737
02:35:59,120 --> 02:36:00,880
Washington defines a small city which is

3738
02:36:00,880 --> 02:36:03,280
I think under 50,000 or something you

3739
02:36:03,280 --> 02:36:05,120
know it's it's quite large versus what

3740
02:36:05,120 --> 02:36:07,439
we think of a small city um and then

3741
02:36:07,439 --> 02:36:09,359
what we actually consider small cities

3742
02:36:09,359 --> 02:36:13,120
and and I think um between that and the

3743
02:36:13,120 --> 02:36:15,840
association Washington city's

3744
02:36:15,840 --> 02:36:17,280
legislative priorities commission which

3745
02:36:17,280 --> 02:36:19,439
I'm also part of. A lot of the focus

3746
02:36:19,439 --> 02:36:21,840
this year has really been around uh

3747
02:36:21,840 --> 02:36:24,319
engagement with elected officials at at

3748
02:36:24,319 --> 02:36:26,960
a regional and a state level. And then

3749
02:36:26,960 --> 02:36:29,600
also really trying to shift the

3750
02:36:29,600 --> 02:36:31,120
conversation

3751
02:36:31,120 --> 02:36:33,359
um you know because I think there's a

3752
02:36:33,359 --> 02:36:34,800
perspective at the state level that

3753
02:36:34,800 --> 02:36:36,160
small cities don't want to accommodate

3754
02:36:36,160 --> 02:36:38,319
growth which is I even heard Father Ring

3755
02:36:38,319 --> 02:36:39,920
this evening that's not necessarily the

3756
02:36:39,920 --> 02:36:43,200
case. It's but but when we push back in

3757
02:36:43,200 --> 02:36:44,640
terms of things, it's it tends to be

3758
02:36:44,640 --> 02:36:47,120
viewed that way. So, we've actually been

3759
02:36:47,120 --> 02:36:49,840
investing a lot of effort to really

3760
02:36:49,840 --> 02:36:53,359
pivot the conversation to it not being a

3761
02:36:53,359 --> 02:36:55,040
one-sizefits-all conversation. You know,

3762
02:36:55,040 --> 02:36:57,680
how can we have more time to adopt some

3763
02:36:57,680 --> 02:36:59,760
of these changes? Uh, can you take time

3764
02:36:59,760 --> 02:37:02,000
to evaluate the changes in the

3765
02:37:02,000 --> 02:37:03,520
legislation you push down to see if it's

3766
02:37:03,520 --> 02:37:06,000
working or not? Um, can you create some

3767
02:37:06,000 --> 02:37:08,560
different criteria so that Juvall is not

3768
02:37:08,560 --> 02:37:10,000
treated the same as Belleview? because

3769
02:37:10,000 --> 02:37:11,439
we're not the same as Belleview. We're

3770
02:37:11,439 --> 02:37:13,439
not the same as Escoire or Windville.

3771
02:37:13,439 --> 02:37:15,040
Um, and there are a lot of challenges

3772
02:37:15,040 --> 02:37:17,200
around a non-ontiguous city as well as a

3773
02:37:17,200 --> 02:37:20,800
city without a a large uh retail for uh

3774
02:37:20,800 --> 02:37:22,399
there's the historic elements that we've

3775
02:37:22,399 --> 02:37:23,439
talked about, there's being on the

3776
02:37:23,439 --> 02:37:25,840
waterfront and the infrastructure needs.

3777
02:37:25,840 --> 02:37:28,080
And so I think the conversation we had

3778
02:37:28,080 --> 02:37:29,280
with representative the governor's

3779
02:37:29,280 --> 02:37:31,200
office, even though they're in an

3780
02:37:31,200 --> 02:37:32,880
executive function versus a legislative

3781
02:37:32,880 --> 02:37:35,920
function, very empathetic, very

3782
02:37:35,920 --> 02:37:37,920
understood. he was had an environmental

3783
02:37:37,920 --> 02:37:39,760
background, sort of resonated a lot of

3784
02:37:39,760 --> 02:37:41,120
the points and was going to take that

3785
02:37:41,120 --> 02:37:44,000
back and connect. Um, but I did want to

3786
02:37:44,000 --> 02:37:47,040
we had a meeting yesterday sort of a

3787
02:37:47,040 --> 02:37:50,240
preview before we propose this year's

3788
02:37:50,240 --> 02:37:53,520
legislative agenda to the the board just

3789
02:37:53,520 --> 02:37:54,960
in terms of looking forward to the

3790
02:37:54,960 --> 02:37:56,560
session, you know, at the state level

3791
02:37:56,560 --> 02:37:58,080
since a lot of this comes down from the

3792
02:37:58,080 --> 02:38:00,640
state and there is it's a little bit

3793
02:38:00,640 --> 02:38:02,960
longer session. There is also expected

3794
02:38:02,960 --> 02:38:05,359
to be a budget gap this year uh which

3795
02:38:05,359 --> 02:38:09,120
will occupy a lot of their attention and really the core areas were

3796
02:38:09,120 --> 02:38:12,080
education, housing and affordability

3797
02:38:12,080 --> 02:38:15,439
jobs. And so some of these same themes

3798
02:38:15,439 --> 02:38:18,080
but um the guidance we really received

3799
02:38:18,080 --> 02:38:20,319
was you know be focused, be specific, be

3800
02:38:20,319 --> 02:38:22,880
very narrow, don't ask for the sort of

3801
02:38:22,880 --> 02:38:24,800
you know boil ocean very some very

3802
02:38:24,800 --> 02:38:26,880
specific things. And then the other

3803
02:38:26,880 --> 02:38:28,319
piece of guidance was engaging early

3804
02:38:28,319 --> 02:38:30,240
which I think city administrator Nav

3805
02:38:30,240 --> 02:38:31,680
you've already done. We do the hill

3806
02:38:31,680 --> 02:38:33,840
climbs, we've built the relationships.

3807
02:38:33,840 --> 02:38:35,280
Uh, and that's where the community can

3808
02:38:35,280 --> 02:38:38,160
really help us because nothing, I think,

3809
02:38:38,160 --> 02:38:39,840
moves the ball further than a good

3810
02:38:39,840 --> 02:38:42,080
narrative. You know, building the story,

3811
02:38:42,080 --> 02:38:43,520
being able to bring people into the

3812
02:38:43,520 --> 02:38:46,960
town, uh, being able to, uh, convert an

3813
02:38:46,960 --> 02:38:48,640
impact, you know, that that may be an

3814
02:38:48,640 --> 02:38:50,000
individual impact to something that's

3815
02:38:50,000 --> 02:38:51,600
affecting the broader community and then

3816
02:38:51,600 --> 02:38:52,960
we can use that to move the Dell

3817
02:38:52,960 --> 02:38:54,800
forward. But I also wanted to set

3818
02:38:54,800 --> 02:38:57,359
expectations that on the one hand we're

3819
02:38:57,359 --> 02:38:59,760
driving toward a lot of statutory nates

3820
02:38:59,760 --> 02:39:02,000
which is moving relatively fast. On the

3821
02:39:02,000 --> 02:39:03,680
other side the legislature moves very

3822
02:39:03,680 --> 02:39:07,120
slow. So um you know again I want to

3823
02:39:07,120 --> 02:39:09,120
welcome and appreciate everyone's who's

3824
02:39:09,120 --> 02:39:11,359
providing input this evening. Um and

3825
02:39:11,359 --> 02:39:12,960
just sort of highlight that we are

3826
02:39:12,960 --> 02:39:14,319
working on this from a number of

3827
02:39:14,319 --> 02:39:16,160
different angles not necessarily just

3828
02:39:16,160 --> 02:39:18,560
from the perspective of this particular

3829
02:39:18,560 --> 02:39:20,560
set of development and zoning changes.

3830
02:39:20,560 --> 02:39:23,920
There are a lot of pieces that we're kind of trying to to move the ball

3831
02:39:23,920 --> 02:39:24,479
forward.

3832
02:39:24,479 --> 02:39:26,479
>> Yeah, thank you for that. Other council

3833
02:39:26,479 --> 02:39:29,520
members have reports tonight.

3834
02:39:29,520 --> 02:39:31,359
Okay. So, with that, we'll go ahead and

3835
02:39:31,359 --> 02:39:33,520
move on to our presentations. First up,

3836
02:39:33,520 --> 02:39:35,359
we have interlocal agreement with Isqua

3837
02:39:35,359 --> 02:39:36,960
District Court with City Administrator

3838
02:39:36,960 --> 02:39:38,160
McNav.

3839
02:39:38,160 --> 02:39:40,000
>> I will make this very quick. So, I

3840
02:39:40,000 --> 02:39:41,520
recognize that people in the audience

3841
02:39:41,520 --> 02:39:44,160
are not waiting for this, [laughter]

3842
02:39:44,160 --> 02:39:47,040
which totally fine. Um,

3843
02:39:47,040 --> 02:39:50,240
but you know, interesting. So, uh, just

3844
02:39:50,240 --> 02:39:51,920
quick background for anybody who might

3845
02:39:51,920 --> 02:39:55,359
be curious, but I'll go really fast. Uh,

3846
02:39:55,359 --> 02:39:57,359
delivers our court services. If any of

3847
02:39:57,359 --> 02:39:58,880
you all doesn't have court, we can't

3848
02:39:58,880 --> 02:40:01,439
afford to have our own court. So, we

3849
02:40:01,439 --> 02:40:06,399
contract out with Isiqua to um both

3850
02:40:06,399 --> 02:40:09,920
prosecute and defend uh any citation is

3851
02:40:09,920 --> 02:40:13,120
issued here in Dubal. Next slide. Um, so

3852
02:40:13,120 --> 02:40:15,920
we've been uh talking about a new

3853
02:40:15,920 --> 02:40:18,080
agreement that IPA gave us. we weren't

3854
02:40:18,080 --> 02:40:22,319
super happy with the draft of it. So, um

3855
02:40:22,319 --> 02:40:24,560
we are looking to negotiate some of the

3856
02:40:24,560 --> 02:40:27,840
terms in the ILA we have with the city

3857
02:40:27,840 --> 02:40:30,880
of Isqua. Um but as part of that, not

3858
02:40:30,880 --> 02:40:33,359
only talking to Qua about some changes

3859
02:40:33,359 --> 02:40:35,359
in the contract they gave us, but

3860
02:40:35,359 --> 02:40:37,840
looking at what other options we have.

3861
02:40:37,840 --> 02:40:39,680
So, I'm in early conversation with the

3862
02:40:39,680 --> 02:40:41,439
city of Balk to determine if they're

3863
02:40:41,439 --> 02:40:43,200
interested in serving as a contract city

3864
02:40:43,200 --> 02:40:45,359
for us just to get an idea of what a

3865
02:40:45,359 --> 02:40:46,880
different model in a different city

3866
02:40:46,880 --> 02:40:48,640
might look like. They have never done

3867
02:40:48,640 --> 02:40:51,120
this, so it might not work out because

3868
02:40:51,120 --> 02:40:53,920
we need to get our Isiqua ILA negotiated

3869
02:40:53,920 --> 02:40:56,000
and adopted if we want to stick with

3870
02:40:56,000 --> 02:40:59,840
Isqua by the end of September. But, um,

3871
02:40:59,840 --> 02:41:01,600
really good conversation with both. I

3872
02:41:01,600 --> 02:41:03,200
sent them over some data. We're

3873
02:41:03,200 --> 02:41:05,040
hopefully by the end of the uh week

3874
02:41:05,040 --> 02:41:07,600
going to have um just an understanding

3875
02:41:07,600 --> 02:41:09,200
from their judge about whether or not

3876
02:41:09,200 --> 02:41:11,120
they think that they can have the

3877
02:41:11,120 --> 02:41:12,399
capacity for it because again it would

3878
02:41:12,399 --> 02:41:16,000
be totally new in BL. Um yesterday I met

3879
02:41:16,000 --> 02:41:18,240
with King County District Court. So they

3880
02:41:18,240 --> 02:41:22,160
have a court in Redmond Isiqua. Um and

3881
02:41:22,160 --> 02:41:24,240
we were with the King County District

3882
02:41:24,240 --> 02:41:26,000
Court for our court services through an

3883
02:41:26,000 --> 02:41:29,359
interlocal agreement uh up until 2021.

3884
02:41:29,359 --> 02:41:31,439
That's when we moved to Isiqua. So, I

3885
02:41:31,439 --> 02:41:33,680
met with them to discuss costs, our

3886
02:41:33,680 --> 02:41:37,120
prior LIA, and to figure out if they

3887
02:41:37,120 --> 02:41:39,359
would be a more affordable option with

3888
02:41:39,359 --> 02:41:42,720
more favorable terms than its cloth. Um,

3889
02:41:42,720 --> 02:41:44,399
and then I met with the city of Isqua

3890
02:41:44,399 --> 02:41:46,399
yesterday afternoon along with our city

3891
02:41:46,399 --> 02:41:49,280
attorney and their city attorney and

3892
02:41:49,280 --> 02:41:51,840
four other staff to talk about proposed

3893
02:41:51,840 --> 02:41:55,040
changes to the uh ILA draft that we got

3894
02:41:55,040 --> 02:41:58,319
from them. Next slide. So, we had a

3895
02:41:58,319 --> 02:42:03,439
really good conversation. So that's the good news. Um

3896
02:42:03,439 --> 02:42:06,000
there we go. Um sorry it's really small

3897
02:42:06,000 --> 02:42:09,920
font. Um so the city of Duval um so kind

3898
02:42:09,920 --> 02:42:12,319
of next steps we are going to provide

3899
02:42:12,319 --> 02:42:16,080
edited language to the 6D provision that

3900
02:42:16,080 --> 02:42:19,040
we had a a good exchange on at the last

3901
02:42:19,040 --> 02:42:21,280
meeting. So talking about advanced

3902
02:42:21,280 --> 02:42:23,359
notice and approval for significant

3903
02:42:23,359 --> 02:42:26,319
non-emergency expenses. We want itemized

3904
02:42:26,319 --> 02:42:28,319
supporting documentation.

3905
02:42:28,319 --> 02:42:31,840
want the ability to review in advance um

3906
02:42:31,840 --> 02:42:34,880
before fees are imposed, kind of all the

3907
02:42:34,880 --> 02:42:38,319
things listed here. So, I'm going to um

3908
02:42:38,319 --> 02:42:40,560
edit the document. Uh our city attorney

3909
02:42:40,560 --> 02:42:42,640
is going to review my edits and we'll

3910
02:42:42,640 --> 02:42:45,200
get it over to the city of Isqua. They

3911
02:42:45,200 --> 02:42:48,160
seem amendable to those changes. Um

3912
02:42:48,160 --> 02:42:49,840
we'll also propose a shortened

3913
02:42:49,840 --> 02:42:52,000
termination clause from one year to a

3914
02:42:52,000 --> 02:42:55,600
shorter time frame um probably 6 months.

3915
02:42:55,600 --> 02:42:59,040
And then next slide, it's aqua will

3916
02:42:59,040 --> 02:43:00,800
amend the fee structure to a sliding

3917
02:43:00,800 --> 02:43:03,120
scale based on the number of cases that

3918
02:43:03,120 --> 02:43:06,720
we file. Um they'll look at a threshold

3919
02:43:06,720 --> 02:43:08,560
number of filed cases prior to

3920
02:43:08,560 --> 02:43:10,399
triggering the extraordinary cox

3921
02:43:10,399 --> 02:43:14,160
threshold. So the question really became

3922
02:43:14,160 --> 02:43:17,840
between 300 and x number. How much can

3923
02:43:17,840 --> 02:43:20,720
the city of Ithacqua accommodate before

3924
02:43:20,720 --> 02:43:23,359
we hit this level of them hiring new

3925
02:43:23,359 --> 02:43:25,280
people, building a new court, all the

3926
02:43:25,280 --> 02:43:28,319
kind of um extraordinary provisions in

3927
02:43:28,319 --> 02:43:31,920
6D and um they didn't they they gave us

3928
02:43:31,920 --> 02:43:33,920
you know a number of 500. We don't know

3929
02:43:33,920 --> 02:43:36,479
if that's a number um but we're going to

3930
02:43:36,479 --> 02:43:39,359
change the cost model that we wouldn't

3931
02:43:39,359 --> 02:43:41,520
hit even considering those extraordinary

3932
02:43:41,520 --> 02:43:44,479
costs until we hit an upper ceiling. So,

3933
02:43:44,479 --> 02:43:46,720
they're going to restructure um the fee

3934
02:43:46,720 --> 02:43:50,240
schedule uh to look at that. Um we need

3935
02:43:50,240 --> 02:43:51,760
to look at changing the length of time

3936
02:43:51,760 --> 02:43:54,000
for remand from 30 minutes to 45

3937
02:43:54,000 --> 02:43:56,560
minutes. Um Chief was feeling very

3938
02:43:56,560 --> 02:43:58,479
optimistic when we talked last, but he

3939
02:43:58,479 --> 02:44:00,240
was like, "No, 30 minutes isn't going to

3940
02:44:00,240 --> 02:44:02,960
work." Um and then we're going to remove

3941
02:44:02,960 --> 02:44:05,680
the binding arbitration clause. Next

3942
02:44:05,680 --> 02:44:08,800
slide. So, really good conversation with

3943
02:44:08,800 --> 02:44:11,040
district court. These are teeny. you'll

3944
02:44:11,040 --> 02:44:14,880
have the um the PowerPoint. Uh it's

3945
02:44:14,880 --> 02:44:16,319
already in the packet for you all to

3946
02:44:16,319 --> 02:44:19,040
look at. Um so this is the ILA that we

3947
02:44:19,040 --> 02:44:22,160
had from district court back in 2021.

3948
02:44:22,160 --> 02:44:24,399
Um to summarize what you see on the

3949
02:44:24,399 --> 02:44:27,120
screen, dis King County District Court

3950
02:44:27,120 --> 02:44:30,479
charged us in 2021 $91,000

3951
02:44:30,479 --> 02:44:33,439
for court services. The way their model

3952
02:44:33,439 --> 02:44:36,240
works is then you discount the revenue

3953
02:44:36,240 --> 02:44:40,960
that you bring in from tickets and and

3954
02:44:40,960 --> 02:44:43,840
other revenue generating um citations

3955
02:44:43,840 --> 02:44:46,720
and then the outcome is what you pay the

3956
02:44:46,720 --> 02:44:50,560
district court. So in 2021

3957
02:44:50,560 --> 02:44:53,760
uh 91,000 minus what we brought in in

3958
02:44:53,760 --> 02:44:56,240
revenue, we ended up with a bill for

3959
02:44:56,240 --> 02:44:58,560
about $43,000.

3960
02:44:58,560 --> 02:45:01,120
Uh next slide.

3961
02:45:01,120 --> 02:45:03,120
Um, so these are just kind of the cost

3962
02:45:03,120 --> 02:45:04,800
components of that over the next two

3963
02:45:04,800 --> 02:45:07,520
slides. Next slide

3964
02:45:07,520 --> 02:45:09,520
and then slide just so you all have the

3965
02:45:09,520 --> 02:45:11,040
cost components of it and we'll get to

3966
02:45:11,040 --> 02:45:13,600
that. Uh, high level uh it would be

3967
02:45:13,600 --> 02:45:15,279
really expensive for us to go with King

3968
02:45:15,279 --> 02:45:17,920
County. And I suspect that's probably

3969
02:45:17,920 --> 02:45:21,439
why we uh went with

3970
02:45:21,439 --> 02:45:26,640
um the 2021 numbers um were high then

3971
02:45:26,640 --> 02:45:29,520
adjust for inflation in 2027.

3972
02:45:29,520 --> 02:45:31,359
um they're going to be much higher than

3973
02:45:31,359 --> 02:45:33,359
$91,000.

3974
02:45:33,359 --> 02:45:37,760
Um and the way their model works is

3975
02:45:37,760 --> 02:45:40,479
um you take this discount of the re

3976
02:45:40,479 --> 02:45:43,439
revenue that you generate from

3977
02:45:43,439 --> 02:45:46,160
uh tickets to kind of bite down your

3978
02:45:46,160 --> 02:45:50,640
rate. The challenge is DV, DUI, some of

3979
02:45:50,640 --> 02:45:51,920
the things that we're seeing more and

3980
02:45:51,920 --> 02:45:53,920
more in our community are not revenue

3981
02:45:53,920 --> 02:45:57,200
generating. um even if a fee or a fine

3982
02:45:57,200 --> 02:45:59,600
is imposed, it's not often that we

3983
02:45:59,600 --> 02:46:02,399
collect. And so the district court

3984
02:46:02,399 --> 02:46:04,640
person was great. She was really candid

3985
02:46:04,640 --> 02:46:06,960
and transparent. She like, "Unless you

3986
02:46:06,960 --> 02:46:10,000
write a ton of speeding tickets and

3987
02:46:10,000 --> 02:46:11,840
parking enforcement cases, you will not

3988
02:46:11,840 --> 02:46:13,600
be able to buy down that rate to the

3989
02:46:13,600 --> 02:46:15,439
point of it being affordable to do

3990
02:46:15,439 --> 02:46:18,560
golf." And so that's kind of the the

3991
02:46:18,560 --> 02:46:21,680
high high level um view. She's willing

3992
02:46:21,680 --> 02:46:24,479
to give us a quote, but I think um at

3993
02:46:24,479 --> 02:46:26,160
this point um since we had a good

3994
02:46:26,160 --> 02:46:27,439
meeting with the fall, we'll just

3995
02:46:27,439 --> 02:46:30,960
continue to pursue getting uh the ILA

3996
02:46:30,960 --> 02:46:32,560
with ISPA in a good form because

3997
02:46:32,560 --> 02:46:34,800
ultimately I think it'll be more cost

3998
02:46:34,800 --> 02:46:36,800
effective for the city to stick with

3999
02:46:36,800 --> 02:46:38,640
that agreement.

4000
02:46:38,640 --> 02:46:40,319
And that's it. Happy to answer any

4001
02:46:40,319 --> 02:46:42,560
questions. Sorry, that was really any

4002
02:46:42,560 --> 02:46:47,920
questions or comments council member. Yeah, I'm I'm happy to

4003
02:46:47,920 --> 02:46:50,560
see his claw bent a little bit and

4004
02:46:50,560 --> 02:46:55,520
>> yeah and now in their negotiations I'm happy with that. Seem to work out

4005
02:46:55,520 --> 02:46:57,279
pretty well.

4006
02:46:57,279 --> 02:46:59,359
>> Council member Wiggins.

4007
02:46:59,359 --> 02:47:00,800
>> Uh yes. I just want to say thank you

4008
02:47:00,800 --> 02:47:02,160
administrator for reaching out to Both

4009
02:47:02,160 --> 02:47:03,520
of King County. I think that's great to

4010
02:47:03,520 --> 02:47:06,319
have that in our in our arsenal to be

4011
02:47:06,319 --> 02:47:08,160
able to put in front of Mr. Qua

4012
02:47:08,160 --> 02:47:11,439
discussion. So thank you

4013
02:47:11,439 --> 02:47:17,840
>> council member Hernandez. I just want to to say like council member supple the

4014
02:47:17,840 --> 02:47:19,920
information that we got from Isiqua last

4015
02:47:19,920 --> 02:47:21,520
time was take it or leave it and I'm

4016
02:47:21,520 --> 02:47:23,279
glad that they're just like okay well

4017
02:47:23,279 --> 02:47:25,600
maybe we'll work out.

4018
02:47:25,600 --> 02:47:26,080
>> Yeah.

4019
02:47:26,080 --> 02:47:28,000
>> So I'm very happy to see that.

4020
02:47:28,000 --> 02:47:29,760
>> Yeah. I think it was a little different.

4021
02:47:29,760 --> 02:47:31,091
So we started asking them for

4022
02:47:31,091 --> 02:47:33,200
[clears throat] data um that we don't

4023
02:47:33,200 --> 02:47:36,000
normally ask for. So I suspect they

4024
02:47:36,000 --> 02:47:38,560
understood that maybe we were going to

4025
02:47:38,560 --> 02:47:43,040
shove a little bit. Anyone else? All

4026
02:47:43,040 --> 02:47:44,560
right. Well, thank you very much. Uh,

4027
02:47:44,560 --> 02:47:46,319
and next up we have our second

4028
02:47:46,319 --> 02:47:48,240
presentation, Oldfound Zoning District

4029
02:47:48,240 --> 02:47:51,040
Considerations with Director Batty.

4030
02:47:51,040 --> 02:47:52,880
>> Uh, good evening, Mayor Council and

4031
02:47:52,880 --> 02:47:54,960
members of the public.

4032
02:47:54,960 --> 02:47:57,120
Um, believe this is what you've all been

4033
02:47:57,120 --> 02:48:02,160
waiting for. Um, we have a

4034
02:48:02,160 --> 02:48:05,680
PowerPoint presentation. So, this is um

4035
02:48:05,680 --> 02:48:08,720
under the umbrella of the title 14

4036
02:48:08,720 --> 02:48:17,040
zoning code amendment um to to meet our settlement agreement with um King

4037
02:48:17,040 --> 02:48:21,840
County and the state. Um this specific

4038
02:48:21,840 --> 02:48:24,479
discussion tonight, it will talk about

4039
02:48:24,479 --> 02:48:26,960
considerations for the Oldtown Zoning

4040
02:48:26,960 --> 02:48:28,399
District. So, if you go to the next

4041
02:48:28,399 --> 02:48:31,600
slide, please.

4042
02:48:31,600 --> 02:48:36,000
Um so just to just to

4043
02:48:36,000 --> 02:48:38,240
remind everybody part of the

4044
02:48:38,240 --> 02:48:41,600
calculations for capacity

4045
02:48:41,600 --> 02:48:45,120
um involved a lot of math hence having

4046
02:48:45,120 --> 02:48:48,080
the city engineer with us this evening.

4047
02:48:48,080 --> 02:48:51,520
Um when we talk about capacity

4048
02:48:51,520 --> 02:48:54,880
I I found the best way to think about it

4049
02:48:54,880 --> 02:48:58,399
is each property is like a passenger

4050
02:48:58,399 --> 02:49:02,560
van. You're limited by whatever the

4051
02:49:02,560 --> 02:49:04,720
setbacks are and the heights are.

4052
02:49:04,720 --> 02:49:06,880
There's physical constraints to the size

4053
02:49:06,880 --> 02:49:10,000
of a building on a property. And so when

4054
02:49:10,000 --> 02:49:13,040
we talk about capacity for residential

4055
02:49:13,040 --> 02:49:16,720
density, it's how many seats can you fit

4056
02:49:16,720 --> 02:49:19,920
within that passenger van. And so our

4057
02:49:19,920 --> 02:49:24,160
calculations um had to have a number in

4058
02:49:24,160 --> 02:49:32,720
order to do math. Um, but that's not the number that has to be zoned in just

4059
02:49:32,720 --> 02:49:35,760
to show that there is space in that van.

4060
02:49:35,760 --> 02:49:37,600
So,

4061
02:49:37,600 --> 02:49:40,160
um, you can have a passenger van where

4062
02:49:40,160 --> 02:49:42,960
you might be able to squeeze in like 20

4063
02:49:42,960 --> 02:49:46,399
airplane style like

4064
02:49:46,399 --> 02:49:49,680
sardine seats or you could have four

4065
02:49:49,680 --> 02:49:54,800
super cush squishy captain chairs. It's

4066
02:49:54,800 --> 02:49:57,200
the same passenger van. So, as long as

4067
02:49:57,200 --> 02:49:59,520
the capacity shows that someone can

4068
02:49:59,520 --> 02:50:02,800
squeeze in those 20 airplane seats

4069
02:50:02,800 --> 02:50:09,359
versus the big captain cares, that's the math that we have to show um as part

4070
02:50:09,359 --> 02:50:15,680
of uh of the appeal. So when we when we

4071
02:50:15,680 --> 02:50:18,160
went back to you know make sure that we

4072
02:50:18,160 --> 02:50:20,560
were reflecting within the zoning

4073
02:50:20,560 --> 02:50:22,560
regulations

4074
02:50:22,560 --> 02:50:25,279
the math that

4075
02:50:25,279 --> 02:50:27,359
making sure the zoning regulations

4076
02:50:27,359 --> 02:50:30,160
weren't preventing that capacity without

4077
02:50:30,160 --> 02:50:32,319
having to necessarily require that

4078
02:50:32,319 --> 02:50:35,040
capacity. So the capacity can be there.

4079
02:50:35,040 --> 02:50:37,279
You can have bookends on it with a

4080
02:50:37,279 --> 02:50:40,880
density minimum and a density maximum.

4081
02:50:40,880 --> 02:50:42,640
if you don't have those bookends, that

4082
02:50:42,640 --> 02:50:45,760
doesn't change the capacity that that

4083
02:50:45,760 --> 02:50:49,200
passenger van is what it is. Um, so

4084
02:50:49,200 --> 02:50:52,640
that's how we uh went back to to look at

4085
02:50:52,640 --> 02:50:55,120
Oldtown. We know there's um concerns

4086
02:50:55,120 --> 02:50:58,720
about impacts to the the heart of Duval.

4087
02:50:58,720 --> 02:51:00,560
Um

4088
02:51:00,560 --> 02:51:04,319
we we we appreciate uh the desire to to

4089
02:51:04,319 --> 02:51:08,880
preserve it, to protect it. It is it's the heart it's the heart of the

4090
02:51:08,880 --> 02:51:11,279
city and staff also loves it. We don't

4091
02:51:11,279 --> 02:51:14,160
want to see it ruined. Um next slide

4092
02:51:14,160 --> 02:51:15,600
please.

4093
02:51:15,600 --> 02:51:21,439
So with that in mind, um this is um this

4094
02:51:21,439 --> 02:51:23,920
table kind of shows what has been

4095
02:51:23,920 --> 02:51:27,359
drafted based on

4096
02:51:27,359 --> 02:51:30,160
works uh that the consultants had done

4097
02:51:30,160 --> 02:51:31,840
and presented to staff and that we had

4098
02:51:31,840 --> 02:51:34,240
looked at um but we didn't quite

4099
02:51:34,240 --> 02:51:35,920
understand

4100
02:51:35,920 --> 02:51:39,040
the density number. So everyone can see

4101
02:51:39,040 --> 02:51:40,800
this. I tried to color code it so it' be

4102
02:51:40,800 --> 02:51:43,680
easier to digest. So, under minimum

4103
02:51:43,680 --> 02:51:46,560
densities, the current draft that's been

4104
02:51:46,560 --> 02:51:50,080
um attached to council agendas have uh

4105
02:51:50,080 --> 02:51:53,760
minimum densities and for Oldtown has a

4106
02:51:53,760 --> 02:51:55,920
17 dwelling unit per acre minimum

4107
02:51:55,920 --> 02:52:00,000
density. We don't need that to meet our

4108
02:52:00,000 --> 02:52:01,680
capacity requirements. We don't need

4109
02:52:01,680 --> 02:52:06,800
that book end. So, the yellow um sorry

4110
02:52:06,800 --> 02:52:08,479
for the color confusion. So, under where

4111
02:52:08,479 --> 02:52:11,040
it says none, we don't we can propose

4112
02:52:11,040 --> 02:52:13,760
none if the council so chooses to

4113
02:52:13,760 --> 02:52:16,640
provide that direction. Um, and we

4114
02:52:16,640 --> 02:52:19,200
wouldn't be out of compliance. The the

4115
02:52:19,200 --> 02:52:22,080
map still math. We're not changing the

4116
02:52:22,080 --> 02:52:25,359
size of that that passenger van. Um,

4117
02:52:25,359 --> 02:52:27,600
additionally, so what what can change

4118
02:52:27,600 --> 02:52:29,680
the size of the of the passenger van are

4119
02:52:29,680 --> 02:52:33,439
height limits. Um, but we don't Oldtown

4120
02:52:33,439 --> 02:52:36,640
is such a small geographic region of the

4121
02:52:36,640 --> 02:52:39,040
city that we don't need to increase

4122
02:52:39,040 --> 02:52:41,359
height in order to to meet the capacity

4123
02:52:41,359 --> 02:52:43,920
requirements. So the height right now is

4124
02:52:43,920 --> 02:52:49,120
35 ft and so staff is is presenting that

4125
02:52:49,120 --> 02:52:51,520
perhaps we just keep it at 35 ft and

4126
02:52:51,520 --> 02:52:54,000
we'll still be in compliance.

4127
02:52:54,000 --> 02:52:56,160
um staff would like city council to

4128
02:52:56,160 --> 02:52:59,520
consider slightly higher for Midtown and

4129
02:52:59,520 --> 02:53:01,600
Uptown and the commercial zoning

4130
02:53:01,600 --> 02:53:04,880
districts. Um these help support because

4131
02:53:04,880 --> 02:53:06,399
these zoning districts are required to

4132
02:53:06,399 --> 02:53:08,160
have commercial space on the ground

4133
02:53:08,160 --> 02:53:10,720
floor and when you have mixeduse

4134
02:53:10,720 --> 02:53:13,200
developments.

4135
02:53:13,200 --> 02:53:14,800
The challenge with mixeduse development

4136
02:53:14,800 --> 02:53:16,640
is a lot of times it's a residential

4137
02:53:16,640 --> 02:53:18,800
developer who's proposing the project

4138
02:53:18,800 --> 02:53:20,479
and they're used to building just

4139
02:53:20,479 --> 02:53:23,120
residential buildings and so they don't

4140
02:53:23,120 --> 02:53:24,880
really give much consideration to the

4141
02:53:24,880 --> 02:53:28,399
commercial component. Not all, but

4142
02:53:28,399 --> 02:53:32,640
often. Which is why there are um if

4143
02:53:32,640 --> 02:53:34,319
you've seen older mixeduse developments

4144
02:53:34,319 --> 02:53:36,160
in other cities, a lot of times that

4145
02:53:36,160 --> 02:53:38,560
ground floor space stays vacant for a

4146
02:53:38,560 --> 02:53:41,359
really long time. And that's generally

4147
02:53:41,359 --> 02:53:44,319
because the height uh the ceiling height

4148
02:53:44,319 --> 02:53:46,319
of that tenant space of those central

4149
02:53:46,319 --> 02:53:48,720
and commercial tenant spaces are too low

4150
02:53:48,720 --> 02:53:51,200
and businesses can't fit in what they

4151
02:53:51,200 --> 02:53:52,479
need. like if you want to have a coffee

4152
02:53:52,479 --> 02:53:54,560
shop or a restaurant, you have to put in

4153
02:53:54,560 --> 02:53:56,720
like plumbing and and um mechanical

4154
02:53:56,720 --> 02:53:58,800
equipment and you physically don't have

4155
02:53:58,800 --> 02:54:03,359
the space. So, um so newer developments,

4156
02:54:03,359 --> 02:54:05,920
cities have learned you need to require

4157
02:54:05,920 --> 02:54:08,319
a greater height for that ground floor

4158
02:54:08,319 --> 02:54:10,800
and this allows those commercial tenant

4159
02:54:10,800 --> 02:54:13,920
spaces to be less vacant because they

4160
02:54:13,920 --> 02:54:17,359
allow more commercial uses in them. Um,

4161
02:54:17,359 --> 02:54:21,520
so that's why we are proposing uh like a

4162
02:54:21,520 --> 02:54:23,920
slight uptick just to help make those

4163
02:54:23,920 --> 02:54:28,160
spaces be viable. Um, because we in

4164
02:54:28,160 --> 02:54:29,600
speaking with businesses like there's

4165
02:54:29,600 --> 02:54:32,399
demand uh to to grow. There are places

4166
02:54:32,399 --> 02:54:35,120
that want to incubate. So we're we don't

4167
02:54:35,120 --> 02:54:36,880
want to to stifle those and we want to

4168
02:54:36,880 --> 02:54:39,600
help local businesses expand into new

4169
02:54:39,600 --> 02:54:43,279
spaces where um they continue being an

4170
02:54:43,279 --> 02:54:46,560
asset to the community. So,

4171
02:54:46,560 --> 02:54:48,960
um,

4172
02:54:48,960 --> 02:54:52,720
if council has any initial thoughts

4173
02:54:52,720 --> 02:54:55,359
on Oldtown,

4174
02:54:55,359 --> 02:54:57,600
um,

4175
02:54:57,600 --> 02:54:59,040
if you want to just noodles for the

4176
02:54:59,040 --> 02:55:01,200
moment, I can go to the next slide. So,

4177
02:55:01,200 --> 02:55:05,190
the next slide

4178
02:55:05,200 --> 02:55:06,560
» and and I don't want to throw off your

4179
02:55:06,560 --> 02:55:07,760
rhythm,

4180
02:55:07,760 --> 02:55:09,439
>> but while you're on the slide, just sort

4181
02:55:09,439 --> 02:55:12,800
of two two questions for you. Um, one

4182
02:55:12,800 --> 02:55:14,399
is,

4183
02:55:14,399 --> 02:55:16,479
you know, setting aside Oldtown, you've

4184
02:55:16,479 --> 02:55:19,040
got sort of the three others. Um, there

4185
02:55:19,040 --> 02:55:20,960
was some concern raised beyond Oldtown,

4186
02:55:20,960 --> 02:55:22,800
which is really just along the 203

4187
02:55:22,800 --> 02:55:25,359
corridor behind 203

4188
02:55:25,359 --> 02:55:27,120
>> that there was also impacting sight

4189
02:55:27,120 --> 02:55:29,200
lines. So, there's a sort of a question

4190
02:55:29,200 --> 02:55:31,439
of like how much could you apply the the

4191
02:55:31,439 --> 02:55:33,439
no change to before we out of

4192
02:55:33,439 --> 02:55:34,800
compliance. So, that was sort of

4193
02:55:34,800 --> 02:55:36,720
question number one is like how much

4194
02:55:36,720 --> 02:55:39,279
play is there in here? Uh the other one

4195
02:55:39,279 --> 02:55:43,359
was really more around how we within our

4196
02:55:43,359 --> 02:55:44,880
code

4197
02:55:44,880 --> 02:55:47,439
uh if we did increase the height can we

4198
02:55:47,439 --> 02:55:49,600
allocate that specifically to commercial

4199
02:55:49,600 --> 02:55:52,000
versus residential. So that wasn't

4200
02:55:52,000 --> 02:55:53,439
broken out here in the slide and I

4201
02:55:53,439 --> 02:55:55,680
wanted to clarify that for the room if

4202
02:55:55,680 --> 02:55:56,880
there's a way that we could increase

4203
02:55:56,880 --> 02:55:58,479
that height but but it could only be

4204
02:55:58,479 --> 02:56:00,080
applied to the commercial space not the

4205
02:56:00,080 --> 02:56:01,680
overall if we were going to increase

4206
02:56:01,680 --> 02:56:03,680
building space because you know as as is

4207
02:56:03,680 --> 02:56:05,920
often raised builders will find a way to

4208
02:56:05,920 --> 02:56:08,080
maximize the the most profitable section

4209
02:56:08,080 --> 02:56:10,479
of the building and and so we want to to

4210
02:56:10,479 --> 02:56:12,240
shortcut that. So did those two

4211
02:56:12,240 --> 02:56:13,760
questions make sense?

4212
02:56:13,760 --> 02:56:17,269
>> Yes.

4213
02:56:17,279 --> 02:56:20,720
Can I tag in? Do you do I'm I'm seeing

4214
02:56:20,720 --> 02:56:22,960
if I can tag in a city engineer who

4215
02:56:22,960 --> 02:56:25,359
knows numbers better than I do.

4216
02:56:25,359 --> 02:56:28,240
>> Yes. So the one thing the Banglers run

4217
02:56:28,240 --> 02:56:30,080
out of public works um the one thing I

4218
02:56:30,080 --> 02:56:32,479
can mention is that our capacity

4219
02:56:32,479 --> 02:56:34,560
analysis does not look at building

4220
02:56:34,560 --> 02:56:38,000
height in order to factor capacity. It's

4221
02:56:38,000 --> 02:56:41,760
a straight plan view. This is a this is

4222
02:56:41,760 --> 02:56:45,600
a net developable area and this is a

4223
02:56:45,600 --> 02:56:48,319
associated dwelling unit per acre that

4224
02:56:48,319 --> 02:56:52,399
we used and our current code for u

4225
02:56:52,399 --> 02:56:55,600
Midtown, Oldtown, Uptown and commercial

4226
02:56:55,600 --> 02:56:59,040
do not have minimum or maximum

4227
02:56:59,040 --> 02:57:00,960
residential

4228
02:57:00,960 --> 02:57:03,760
um densities and that's because there's

4229
02:57:03,760 --> 02:57:06,399
no residential requirement in those

4230
02:57:06,399 --> 02:57:10,479
mixed use spaces. But in order to find

4231
02:57:10,479 --> 02:57:13,120
capacity and calculate those um

4232
02:57:13,120 --> 02:57:14,880
developable either vacant or

4233
02:57:14,880 --> 02:57:17,920
redevelopable lots, you need to look at

4234
02:57:17,920 --> 02:57:20,399
historical projects that have come in.

4235
02:57:20,399 --> 02:57:22,960
Um you need to look at uh current uses

4236
02:57:22,960 --> 02:57:26,319
um and other uh jurisdictions and um

4237
02:57:26,319 --> 02:57:28,399
kind of best practices for those zoning

4238
02:57:28,399 --> 02:57:31,520
type designations in order to assign a

4239
02:57:31,520 --> 02:57:34,800
dwelling unit unit per acre to map the

4240
02:57:34,800 --> 02:57:39,520
map. So, we're proposing that there are

4241
02:57:39,520 --> 02:57:41,840
no changes to minimum or maximum

4242
02:57:41,840 --> 02:57:44,080
densities as they currently exist today

4243
02:57:44,080 --> 02:57:49,359
in code. And um as uh director Batty had

4244
02:57:49,359 --> 02:57:51,680
mentioned, looking at some of the other

4245
02:57:51,680 --> 02:57:54,399
mixeduse zoning designations, um having

4246
02:57:54,399 --> 02:57:56,160
height, you can tell what just about by

4247
02:57:56,160 --> 02:57:56,560
the way,

4248
02:57:56,560 --> 02:57:57,040
>> okay?

4249
02:57:57,040 --> 02:58:00,399
>> But adding height, um respecting um the

4250
02:58:00,399 --> 02:58:01,840
input that we have heard from the

4251
02:58:01,840 --> 02:58:04,560
community as far as the Oldtown core and

4252
02:58:04,560 --> 02:58:07,600
the the corridor along Main Street. um

4253
02:58:07,600 --> 02:58:10,000
not changing the height limit in

4254
02:58:10,000 --> 02:58:12,479
Oldtown, keeping it at what it exists

4255
02:58:12,479 --> 02:58:15,840
today as 35 and not making that change,

4256
02:58:15,840 --> 02:58:19,279
but also respecting that um some of the

4257
02:58:19,279 --> 02:58:23,279
mixed use development potential um in

4258
02:58:23,279 --> 02:58:26,319
other zones is uh more easily

4259
02:58:26,319 --> 02:58:28,800
accommodated with viable commercial

4260
02:58:28,800 --> 02:58:31,680
tenant space. And so those increases are

4261
02:58:31,680 --> 02:58:34,319
reflected in what we talked about pre

4262
02:58:34,319 --> 02:58:36,800
earlier tonight with um the design

4263
02:58:36,800 --> 02:58:38,479
standards that are changing from

4264
02:58:38,479 --> 02:58:40,160
standard or from guidelines to

4265
02:58:40,160 --> 02:58:42,479
standards. And one of the things that

4266
02:58:42,479 --> 02:58:45,520
we're updating in that is the required

4267
02:58:45,520 --> 02:58:47,760
height for commercial space. So that's

4268
02:58:47,760 --> 02:58:50,160
where you would have that nexus in a

4269
02:58:50,160 --> 02:58:53,600
development in a in a design standard.

4270
02:58:53,600 --> 02:58:56,000
zoning code only has development

4271
02:58:56,000 --> 02:58:58,000
standards and those are setbacks,

4272
02:58:58,000 --> 02:59:00,800
building heights, um densities, um and

4273
02:59:00,800 --> 02:59:02,720
those types of things. So, it's it's

4274
02:59:02,720 --> 02:59:06,319
just a different um chapter from code.

4275
02:59:06,319 --> 02:59:07,520
>> Thank you.

4276
02:59:07,520 --> 02:59:08,399
>> Great.

4277
02:59:08,399 --> 02:59:10,640
>> Um [clears throat] so, next slide. So,

4278
02:59:10,640 --> 02:59:14,960
we we pulled out um so this is for old

4279
02:59:14,960 --> 02:59:17,520
town zoning districts specifically.

4280
02:59:17,520 --> 02:59:19,920
What are all the existing development

4281
02:59:19,920 --> 02:59:22,640
standards? um and these control the

4282
02:59:22,640 --> 02:59:25,279
buildable envelope the size of that

4283
02:59:25,279 --> 02:59:28,240
passenger van um versus what's currently

4284
02:59:28,240 --> 02:59:34,230
proposed. So if um in changing

4285
02:59:34,240 --> 02:59:36,560
the draft, sorry, we're talking about

4286
02:59:36,560 --> 02:59:41,040
versioning. So with the draft, if we go back to having just a 35 foot height

4287
02:59:41,040 --> 02:59:43,200
limit, not having a density maximum or

4288
02:59:43,200 --> 02:59:44,960
minimum, the only thing we'd be looking

4289
02:59:44,960 --> 02:59:49,120
to change is minimum lot size. Um,

4290
02:59:49,120 --> 02:59:51,920
we feel that in order to have

4291
02:59:51,920 --> 02:59:53,520
flexibility,

4292
02:59:53,520 --> 02:59:55,200
um, which can help with the preservation

4293
02:59:55,200 --> 02:59:56,800
of the building, if someone needs to do

4294
02:59:56,800 --> 03:00:00,000
financing of some sort,

4295
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:03,359
we don't need that. Um, so just giving a

4296
03:00:03,359 --> 03:00:05,040
little bit more flexibility to these

4297
03:00:05,040 --> 03:00:07,120
standards to to help preserve the the

4298
03:00:07,120 --> 03:00:10,399
buildings that we

4299
03:00:10,399 --> 03:00:12,560
>> uh, council member supple. So, I'm a

4300
03:00:12,560 --> 03:00:14,720
little confused on the minimum lot size

4301
03:00:14,720 --> 03:00:17,279
of zero square ft.

4302
03:00:17,279 --> 03:00:28,790
>> It would it would be not applicable.

4303
03:00:28,800 --> 03:00:31,920
» Uh, Council Member Wiggins.

4304
03:00:31,920 --> 03:00:33,920
>> Uh, yes, Director Batty. I had the same

4305
03:00:33,920 --> 03:00:35,760
question. So, I'm a developer. I'm

4306
03:00:35,760 --> 03:00:37,840
heading into Oldtown and I see a minimum

4307
03:00:37,840 --> 03:00:41,359
lot size of zero. Tell me what that

4308
03:00:41,359 --> 03:00:42,800
means to me as a developer and what I

4309
03:00:42,800 --> 03:00:46,800
can and possibly can't do, please.

4310
03:00:46,800 --> 03:00:48,800
>> So, this would be if someone wanted to

4311
03:00:48,800 --> 03:00:52,080
subdivide um a property, there wouldn't

4312
03:00:52,080 --> 03:00:55,680
be any minimum um to the two lots that

4313
03:00:55,680 --> 03:00:58,319
you would be creating. And so sometimes

4314
03:00:58,319 --> 03:01:02,160
people are looking to um if if these

4315
03:01:02,160 --> 03:01:04,720
lots are very small in Oldtown. a lot of

4316
03:01:04,720 --> 03:01:07,840
them um or some of them are only 25 ft

4317
03:01:07,840 --> 03:01:09,439
wide. It was from the original lot

4318
03:01:09,439 --> 03:01:13,200
pattern of Duval. Um so if you have a

4319
03:01:13,200 --> 03:01:14,960
building that's built out most of the

4320
03:01:14,960 --> 03:01:17,120
front and it's only 25 ft wide and

4321
03:01:17,120 --> 03:01:18,560
you're like you know I have someone who

4322
03:01:18,560 --> 03:01:20,560
wants to purchase

4323
03:01:20,560 --> 03:01:23,120
like the back half of my lot. I don't

4324
03:01:23,120 --> 03:01:25,600
need it. I don't want it. Um I've got my

4325
03:01:25,600 --> 03:01:28,240
building but I need some revenue or you

4326
03:01:28,240 --> 03:01:30,560
know in order to to maintain my building

4327
03:01:30,560 --> 03:01:33,040
being able to sell off part of it. So

4328
03:01:33,040 --> 03:01:34,560
there could be a number if council wants

4329
03:01:34,560 --> 03:01:36,479
a number. There could be a number there.

4330
03:01:36,479 --> 03:01:39,040
Um but that would just you know allow

4331
03:01:39,040 --> 03:01:43,600
someone to to um have one less restraint

4332
03:01:43,600 --> 03:01:44,319
with their property.

4333
03:01:44,319 --> 03:01:46,319
>> Yeah. More so more flexibility to

4334
03:01:46,319 --> 03:01:49,760
businesses along Main Street to to do

4335
03:01:49,760 --> 03:01:51,760
more with their property line.

4336
03:01:51,760 --> 03:01:52,080
>> Yeah.

4337
03:01:52,080 --> 03:01:54,080
>> And generate generate income possibly

4338
03:01:54,080 --> 03:01:56,319
for themselves and for a new business

4339
03:01:56,319 --> 03:02:04,790
coming in. Is that right? Thank you.

4340
03:02:04,800 --> 03:02:09,110
Uh, next slide please.

4341
03:02:09,120 --> 03:02:12,160
So there was also so when we dove into

4342
03:02:12,160 --> 03:02:14,319
this analysis, we then looked at the

4343
03:02:14,319 --> 03:02:16,960
residential zoning districts as well.

4344
03:02:16,960 --> 03:02:20,080
Um, there were numbers that were done

4345
03:02:20,080 --> 03:02:22,080
for the density calculations because you

4346
03:02:22,080 --> 03:02:24,479
need a number um, as explained by the

4347
03:02:24,479 --> 03:02:28,640
city engineer. And so when these numbers

4348
03:02:28,640 --> 03:02:30,800
were first when this these standards

4349
03:02:30,800 --> 03:02:35,279
were first drafted up, um

4350
03:02:35,279 --> 03:02:38,080
we're human. We did not notice the some

4351
03:02:38,080 --> 03:02:41,120
of these discrepancies. Um we had a lot

4352
03:02:41,120 --> 03:02:42,479
on our plate, but we still want to make

4353
03:02:42,479 --> 03:02:45,439
it right. So, so going back and looking

4354
03:02:45,439 --> 03:02:49,920
at this, these numbers are different

4355
03:02:49,920 --> 03:02:53,439
from what has been in circulation as the

4356
03:02:53,439 --> 03:02:56,160
draft. Having colored for all the

4357
03:02:56,160 --> 03:02:57,840
different things just made it messy. I

4358
03:02:57,840 --> 03:02:59,279
didn't want to inflict that brain damage

4359
03:02:59,279 --> 03:03:03,680
on everybody. Um, so these numbers,

4360
03:03:03,680 --> 03:03:05,920
because this whole chapter is proposed

4361
03:03:05,920 --> 03:03:08,880
anyways, reflect the zoning districts.

4362
03:03:08,880 --> 03:03:11,040
they reflect the minimums and maximums

4363
03:03:11,040 --> 03:03:14,080
um as intended by those districts. We

4364
03:03:14,080 --> 03:03:16,399
double triple checked with the Burke

4365
03:03:16,399 --> 03:03:18,319
memo that's been referenced from the

4366
03:03:18,319 --> 03:03:22,240
laying capacity analysis. So if council

4367
03:03:22,240 --> 03:03:25,840
um feels so inclined, we can move

4368
03:03:25,840 --> 03:03:28,240
forward with these numbers within the

4369
03:03:28,240 --> 03:03:32,240
draft and we have verified that our cap

4370
03:03:32,240 --> 03:03:40,080
we are still within compliance with the capacity calculation. Any

4371
03:03:40,080 --> 03:03:43,680
questions about these?

4372
03:03:43,680 --> 03:03:45,200
>> Okay,

4373
03:03:45,200 --> 03:03:47,600
this concludes my presentation.

4374
03:03:47,600 --> 03:03:49,040
>> All right. Any Oh, go ahead, city

4375
03:03:49,040 --> 03:03:50,319
administrator McDow.

4376
03:03:50,319 --> 03:03:53,359
>> And I would say um you don't have to

4377
03:03:53,359 --> 03:03:54,880
decide right now,

4378
03:03:54,880 --> 03:03:55,760
>> right?

4379
03:03:55,760 --> 03:03:57,920
>> Um we just wanted to give council the

4380
03:03:57,920 --> 03:04:02,000
information. Um this will come back uh

4381
03:04:02,000 --> 03:04:04,160
again in September for both of September

4382
03:04:04,160 --> 03:04:06,640
1st, September 15th. So, you know, if

4383
03:04:06,640 --> 03:04:08,240
you need a little time to give uh

4384
03:04:08,240 --> 03:04:10,800
director Batty direction, um you know,

4385
03:04:10,800 --> 03:04:12,479
take the time. We don't have to decide

4386
03:04:12,479 --> 03:04:15,359
this minute. Um but the sooner you all

4387
03:04:15,359 --> 03:04:17,760
can provide direction by emailing

4388
03:04:17,760 --> 03:04:20,000
Director Batty and I, the faster we can

4389
03:04:20,000 --> 03:04:23,760
draft a new edited version uh for your

4390
03:04:23,760 --> 03:04:25,439
consideration on the 1st through the

4391
03:04:25,439 --> 03:04:26,319
15th.

4392
03:04:26,319 --> 03:04:29,520
>> Council member Olen,

4393
03:04:29,520 --> 03:04:31,279
>> thank you. First, I I just I want to

4394
03:04:31,279 --> 03:04:35,439
take a moment to thank the community for

4395
03:04:35,439 --> 03:04:38,080
speaking up and speaking up in a way

4396
03:04:38,080 --> 03:04:40,399
that was was

4397
03:04:40,399 --> 03:04:42,399
polite, you know, and and positive and

4398
03:04:42,399 --> 03:04:44,240
respectful. Um, I think it's really

4399
03:04:44,240 --> 03:04:47,359
important to come together that way and speak your mind. And I also want to

4400
03:04:47,359 --> 03:04:50,080
take a moment to thank staff for

4401
03:04:50,080 --> 03:04:52,479
listening and finding ways to try to

4402
03:04:52,479 --> 03:04:54,399
incorporate that feedback. I know this

4403
03:04:54,399 --> 03:04:56,000
is a work in progress. It's a living

4404
03:04:56,000 --> 03:04:57,920
document and maybe this is or is not

4405
03:04:57,920 --> 03:05:01,120
perfect so far. Um, but it seems like so

4406
03:05:01,120 --> 03:05:03,760
far, you know, uh, there have been a lot

4407
03:05:03,760 --> 03:05:06,319
of requests to do what we can to

4408
03:05:06,319 --> 03:05:08,960
maintain Oldtown. And it seems like this

4409
03:05:08,960 --> 03:05:11,359
document suggests that we're going to

4410
03:05:11,359 --> 03:05:17,680
maintain Oldtown as as it was. Um, and I think that that's great evidence

4411
03:05:17,680 --> 03:05:20,319
of of how dialogue can work. And so I

4412
03:05:20,319 --> 03:05:21,840
just want to thank everybody for their

4413
03:05:21,840 --> 03:05:24,880
participation in that process. Um, I'm

4414
03:05:24,880 --> 03:05:27,920
excited to see that, too.

4415
03:05:27,920 --> 03:05:30,399
One one question I have I the two

4416
03:05:30,399 --> 03:05:33,200
concerns I had coming into this were and

4417
03:05:33,200 --> 03:05:35,359
the first seems smooth, but I just I I

4418
03:05:35,359 --> 03:05:37,760
want to make sure that that's true. Um I

4419
03:05:37,760 --> 03:05:41,279
was concerned that if we did reduce

4420
03:05:41,279 --> 03:05:44,319
height in from the from the zoning

4421
03:05:44,319 --> 03:05:46,960
drawings for uh for Oldtown that we

4422
03:05:46,960 --> 03:05:48,720
would have to increase height elsewhere

4423
03:05:48,720 --> 03:05:51,200
to expand that capacity. It sounds like

4424
03:05:51,200 --> 03:05:53,279
with these these current this current

4425
03:05:53,279 --> 03:05:56,080
draft of plans that's not necessarily

4426
03:05:56,080 --> 03:05:57,680
the case that it's it's properly

4427
03:05:57,680 --> 03:06:01,439
accommodated as such. Is that accurate?

4428
03:06:01,439 --> 03:06:03,600
>> Okay, cool. Good. I'm glad to hear that.

4429
03:06:03,600 --> 03:06:05,520
And then my my second question was

4430
03:06:05,520 --> 03:06:06,880
actually should I pause and go around

4431
03:06:06,880 --> 03:06:08,000
the room? Are there other questions

4432
03:06:08,000 --> 03:06:09,680
first?

4433
03:06:09,680 --> 03:06:11,040
>> I mean I think you're Oh, did you want

4434
03:06:11,040 --> 03:06:11,520
to go ahead?

4435
03:06:11,520 --> 03:06:14,640
>> I I just sort of had one question. Um, I

4436
03:06:14,640 --> 03:06:16,880
don't know who this is oriented toward,

4437
03:06:16,880 --> 03:06:18,880
but I know one of the things we were a

4438
03:06:18,880 --> 03:06:20,960
little forward thinking in terms of

4439
03:06:20,960 --> 03:06:22,720
around some creating space for middle

4440
03:06:22,720 --> 03:06:25,359
housing specifically because we we

4441
03:06:25,359 --> 03:06:26,720
didn't have some requirements, but we

4442
03:06:26,720 --> 03:06:28,800
were also trying to accommodate the lack

4443
03:06:28,800 --> 03:06:31,040
of diversity of housing and specifically

4444
03:06:31,040 --> 03:06:33,200
around, you know, whether you're a

4445
03:06:33,200 --> 03:06:35,439
senior or you're a new, you know, it was

4446
03:06:35,439 --> 03:06:37,760
a a space that more appropriately

4447
03:06:37,760 --> 03:06:40,800
accommodated some of the 80% AMI and

4448
03:06:40,800 --> 03:06:42,399
other things we're looking for. Do any

4449
03:06:42,399 --> 03:06:44,240
of these changes impact the middle

4450
03:06:44,240 --> 03:06:46,560
housing piece? That was my only Okay,

4451
03:06:46,560 --> 03:06:49,120
thank you. That's all I need.

4452
03:06:49,120 --> 03:06:50,960
>> Other questions or comments? Council

4453
03:06:50,960 --> 03:06:52,000
member Hernandez.

4454
03:06:52,000 --> 03:06:53,680
>> I just want to say that I'm really happy

4455
03:06:53,680 --> 03:06:57,200
with what I'm seeing here. uh as we have

4456
03:06:57,200 --> 03:06:59,760
all as as city administrator McNab and

4457
03:06:59,760 --> 03:07:01,760
director B know I've been talking back

4458
03:07:01,760 --> 03:07:03,760
and forth about uh historical

4459
03:07:03,760 --> 03:07:05,680
preservation and ideas including

4460
03:07:05,680 --> 03:07:08,000
historic overlays mandatory historical

4461
03:07:08,000 --> 03:07:10,000
reviews and I'm just really kind of

4462
03:07:10,000 --> 03:07:12,399
liking that our solution is well we can

4463
03:07:12,399 --> 03:07:14,000
take the square the square footage down

4464
03:07:14,000 --> 03:07:16,720
to zero to say so I'm very happy with

4465
03:07:16,720 --> 03:07:18,880
this uh I think that we could still talk

4466
03:07:18,880 --> 03:07:21,439
about the overlay eventually but it's no

4467
03:07:21,439 --> 03:07:23,600
longer nearly as urgent as I as as I was

4468
03:07:23,600 --> 03:07:25,760
thinking it would

4469
03:07:25,760 --> 03:07:28,960
All right, back to Council Member Olen.

4470
03:07:28,960 --> 03:07:30,640
>> Thank you. So, the the one other concern

4471
03:07:30,640 --> 03:07:35,200
I have and and this is this is

4472
03:07:35,200 --> 03:07:36,640
>> well, I guess I just want to give a

4473
03:07:36,640 --> 03:07:38,160
voice and and I really hope this isn't

4474
03:07:38,160 --> 03:07:40,080
received is is contrary to the progress

4475
03:07:40,080 --> 03:07:42,080
that that we just made with this

4476
03:07:42,080 --> 03:07:43,439
document because I do want to preserve

4477
03:07:43,439 --> 03:07:46,080
Oldtown as best we can. Um, and and

4478
03:07:46,080 --> 03:07:47,760
maybe maybe it's best for an economist

4479
03:07:47,760 --> 03:07:49,520
to answer this question and and and none

4480
03:07:49,520 --> 03:07:54,080
of us are qualified to do that. But so the concern I want to get the concern

4481
03:07:54,080 --> 03:07:56,000
that I want to give voice to that I

4482
03:07:56,000 --> 03:07:59,600
don't know the answer to is is that if

4483
03:07:59,600 --> 03:08:04,080
we if we expand residential density on

4484
03:08:04,080 --> 03:08:06,640
the south side of town

4485
03:08:06,640 --> 03:08:08,640
and especially if that's mixeduse

4486
03:08:08,640 --> 03:08:10,720
development, right? So we have increased

4487
03:08:10,720 --> 03:08:12,800
residential density and we have

4488
03:08:12,800 --> 03:08:14,560
businesses going in on the south side of

4489
03:08:14,560 --> 03:08:20,080
town. The concern is that that stifles

4490
03:08:20,080 --> 03:08:23,040
potentially business around Oldtown,

4491
03:08:23,040 --> 03:08:24,720
right? More and more businesses get

4492
03:08:24,720 --> 03:08:26,640
built and more and more residences get

4493
03:08:26,640 --> 03:08:30,640
built on the south side of town and

4494
03:08:30,640 --> 03:08:32,000
a lot of the rest a lot of the

4495
03:08:32,000 --> 03:08:33,279
businesses from what I understand are

4496
03:08:33,279 --> 03:08:35,359
somewhat already struggling around

4497
03:08:35,359 --> 03:08:38,399
Oldtown. And and that's my concern. I

4498
03:08:38,399 --> 03:08:39,680
don't I don't want to change the face of

4499
03:08:39,680 --> 03:08:42,479
Oldtown. Don't. But I do worry about if

4500
03:08:42,479 --> 03:08:45,279
we do move all this down south,

4501
03:08:45,279 --> 03:08:47,359
what happens to Oldtown? Do we do does

4502
03:08:47,359 --> 03:08:49,840
it turn it into a ghost town? How much

4503
03:08:49,840 --> 03:08:52,160
has to get built south before it

4504
03:08:52,160 --> 03:08:54,880
actually does hurt Oldtown as it is

4505
03:08:54,880 --> 03:08:56,880
today? Does anybody in the room know

4506
03:08:56,880 --> 03:08:58,319
that? Is that something we should be

4507
03:08:58,319 --> 03:09:00,399
thinking about? Um, or is it really a

4508
03:09:00,399 --> 03:09:03,920
non-issue as far as we can tell?

4509
03:09:03,920 --> 03:09:06,479
>> How about city administrator McDow?

4510
03:09:06,479 --> 03:09:10,160
>> I am not an economist. I um went to law

4511
03:09:10,160 --> 03:09:13,680
school to avoid math. Um, but I will say

4512
03:09:13,680 --> 03:09:16,479
one of the things that we want to look

4513
03:09:16,479 --> 03:09:20,319
at and figure out a way to invest in,

4514
03:09:20,319 --> 03:09:22,000
and this is a future project because

4515
03:09:22,000 --> 03:09:24,080
it's pretty expensive, but we really

4516
03:09:24,080 --> 03:09:25,359
should be looking at the thought

4517
03:09:25,359 --> 03:09:29,520
improvements and figuring out a way to

4518
03:09:29,520 --> 03:09:32,720
improve the look and structure of our

4519
03:09:32,720 --> 03:09:36,479
old town. So it remains invoking. It

4520
03:09:36,479 --> 03:09:38,880
looks like a tourism economy without,

4521
03:09:38,880 --> 03:09:42,479
you know, blowing it up north. Um, but

4522
03:09:42,479 --> 03:09:44,640
really investing in Oldtown

4523
03:09:44,640 --> 03:09:47,680
simultaneously while allowing growth in

4524
03:09:47,680 --> 03:09:49,120
our south end because I think they're

4525
03:09:49,120 --> 03:09:50,880
probably two different districts, but

4526
03:09:50,880 --> 03:09:53,760
they can both function compatibly if we

4527
03:09:53,760 --> 03:09:56,000
invest in some of the upgrades that our

4528
03:09:56,000 --> 03:09:59,439
older um buildings here in Old.

4529
03:09:59,439 --> 03:10:01,120
>> Yeah.

4530
03:10:01,120 --> 03:10:01,920
Mayor Pummer,

4531
03:10:01,920 --> 03:10:05,120
>> I sort of add just one sort of pile on

4532
03:10:05,120 --> 03:10:07,439
to to council member Olen's comment as

4533
03:10:07,439 --> 03:10:09,040
well as the city administrators. You

4534
03:10:09,040 --> 03:10:10,560
know, I think I I also want to

4535
03:10:10,560 --> 03:10:11,920
acknowledge I mean I want to thank staff

4536
03:10:11,920 --> 03:10:13,680
at work. I know this is sort of a long

4537
03:10:13,680 --> 03:10:15,920
project. The other part, you know, is

4538
03:10:15,920 --> 03:10:17,520
just to to acknowledge from a council

4539
03:10:17,520 --> 03:10:19,279
perspective, we would much rather be

4540
03:10:19,279 --> 03:10:22,080
working on other things other than plan.

4541
03:10:22,080 --> 03:10:24,000
And so I mean to highlight that and and

4542
03:10:24,000 --> 03:10:25,680
so one of the things you talked about in

4543
03:10:25,680 --> 03:10:28,160
terms of the economic development, the

4544
03:10:28,160 --> 03:10:29,760
facade improvement, you know, how we

4545
03:10:29,760 --> 03:10:31,200
work with the chamber in terms of

4546
03:10:31,200 --> 03:10:32,720
potential grant opportunities, other

4547
03:10:32,720 --> 03:10:36,160
things to build a district to build a uh

4548
03:10:36,160 --> 03:10:37,760
you know, something that will be a draw

4549
03:10:37,760 --> 03:10:39,359
for the valley. You know, we've talked

4550
03:10:39,359 --> 03:10:42,000
about this for years. Um and and this is

4551
03:10:42,000 --> 03:10:43,600
actually occupying a lot of that time.

4552
03:10:43,600 --> 03:10:45,520
So, I'm not saying we want to fast track

4553
03:10:45,520 --> 03:10:47,040
or anything to get through this, but but

4554
03:10:47,040 --> 03:10:49,439
the hope is that end of the year when we

4555
03:10:49,439 --> 03:10:53,439
can get through the appeals process and finalize that, we can actually focus

4556
03:10:53,439 --> 03:10:55,600
on those other other things. And and

4557
03:10:55,600 --> 03:10:57,840
director Vy, uh, in terms of since you

4558
03:10:57,840 --> 03:10:59,680
wear two hats, you know, you can focus a

4559
03:10:59,680 --> 03:11:01,200
little more on the economic development

4560
03:11:01,200 --> 03:11:03,359
as well as versus sort of the plan

4561
03:11:03,359 --> 03:11:05,040
piece. That looks

4562
03:11:05,040 --> 03:11:06,720
>> Mayor Pam that reminded me of something

4563
03:11:06,720 --> 03:11:10,080
in our governor's government relations

4564
03:11:10,080 --> 03:11:12,160
meeting is I might have let them know

4565
03:11:12,160 --> 03:11:13,680
that there are things that don't

4566
03:11:13,680 --> 03:11:15,439
originate in Olympia that we would like

4567
03:11:15,439 --> 03:11:17,279
to do here. So, we would like to move on

4568
03:11:17,279 --> 03:11:20,479
to some other things. Um, and just any

4569
03:11:20,479 --> 03:11:22,000
other council member comments,

4570
03:11:22,000 --> 03:11:23,520
questions?

4571
03:11:23,520 --> 03:11:25,120
Um, I just want to, you know, I want to

4572
03:11:25,120 --> 03:11:26,479
thank everyone who showed up tonight.

4573
03:11:26,479 --> 03:11:28,000
I'll hold you to this. I'd like to see

4574
03:11:28,000 --> 03:11:30,000
more faces more often. Please come more

4575
03:11:30,000 --> 03:11:33,040
frequently. Um, but also to our staff,

4576
03:11:33,040 --> 03:11:35,200
especially Director Batty, uh, your name

4577
03:11:35,200 --> 03:11:37,200
shows up on this agenda a lot. I know

4578
03:11:37,200 --> 03:11:38,720
it's a huge workload right now, and I

4579
03:11:38,720 --> 03:11:41,359
want to acknowledge that. Um, and, uh,

4580
03:11:41,359 --> 03:11:43,760
deputy or city engineer Grandell for all

4581
03:11:43,760 --> 03:11:45,359
of your, I never know what title D is,

4582
03:11:45,359 --> 03:11:47,600
but like for all your work and of course

4583
03:11:47,600 --> 03:11:49,359
our city administrator. This has not

4584
03:11:49,359 --> 03:11:51,359
been an easy road at all. It's a lot of

4585
03:11:51,359 --> 03:11:53,760
work. We're not done yet. Um, but we're

4586
03:11:53,760 --> 03:11:55,680
getting there and we have a lot of other

4587
03:11:55,680 --> 03:11:57,200
simultaneous things we're working on.

4588
03:11:57,200 --> 03:11:58,640
So, I just really appreciate all of your

4589
03:11:58,640 --> 03:12:01,040
efforts. Oh, Council Member Wiggins, go

4590
03:12:01,040 --> 03:12:02,479
ahead.

4591
03:12:02,479 --> 03:12:05,120
>> Yes. Um, thank you. I also want to just

4592
03:12:05,120 --> 03:12:07,120
uh extend my thanks to I see a lot of

4593
03:12:07,120 --> 03:12:08,399
people in the background. I apologize I

4594
03:12:08,399 --> 03:12:09,439
can't be there. I'm down in California,

4595
03:12:09,439 --> 03:12:11,279
but I just want to extend my thanks to

4596
03:12:11,279 --> 03:12:12,880
all the residents of Duval who took the

4597
03:12:12,880 --> 03:12:14,479
time to come down and attend tonight's

4598
03:12:14,479 --> 03:12:17,439
meeting and and speak before council and

4599
03:12:17,439 --> 03:12:19,600
the mayor and the city staff. Uh, public

4600
03:12:19,600 --> 03:12:21,600
speaking can be daunting and and I

4601
03:12:21,600 --> 03:12:23,920
commend everyone who stepped forward to

4602
03:12:23,920 --> 03:12:25,760
share their perspective tonight. And I

4603
03:12:25,760 --> 03:12:27,600
also want to acknowledge that u there's

4604
03:12:27,600 --> 03:12:28,960
quite a few written comments that came

4605
03:12:28,960 --> 03:12:32,080
into the city clerk's office. Um I know

4606
03:12:32,080 --> 03:12:33,600
that I've received those as rest of the

4607
03:12:33,600 --> 03:12:34,880
other council members and I've read each

4608
03:12:34,880 --> 03:12:36,800
of your emails carefully. Um your

4609
03:12:36,800 --> 03:12:38,640
passion for preserving Deval's small

4610
03:12:38,640 --> 03:12:41,359
town charm, rustic character, the

4611
03:12:41,359 --> 03:12:44,080
historic downtown. It's unmistakable

4612
03:12:44,080 --> 03:12:45,840
and safeguarding the historic look and

4613
03:12:45,840 --> 03:12:47,680
feel of our city is why I ran for city

4614
03:12:47,680 --> 03:12:49,040
council. And I appreciate the

4615
03:12:49,040 --> 03:12:50,640
community's strong engagement on this

4616
03:12:50,640 --> 03:12:52,240
issue. So thank you. appreciate and the

4617
03:12:52,240 --> 03:12:54,640
staff's time of course pulling uh this

4618
03:12:54,640 --> 03:12:56,240
information together for tonight's uh

4619
03:12:56,240 --> 03:12:59,840
discussion. So, thank you.

4620
03:12:59,840 --> 03:13:02,479
>> All right. So, that I think it's safe to

4621
03:13:02,479 --> 03:13:04,319
move on to our public hearing we have

4622
03:13:04,319 --> 03:13:06,560
scheduled for tonight.

4623
03:13:06,560 --> 03:13:08,399
Um clerk, could you remind me do I open

4624
03:13:08,399 --> 03:13:10,640
it before I read all of the

4625
03:13:10,640 --> 03:13:13,040
>> I uh read the instructions first and

4626
03:13:13,040 --> 03:13:13,279
then

4627
03:13:13,279 --> 03:13:14,720
>> and then open it. Okay. Thank you so

4628
03:13:14,720 --> 03:13:16,640
much. So, our one public hearing on the

4629
03:13:16,640 --> 03:13:18,479
agenda tonight is proposed amendments to

4630
03:13:18,479 --> 03:13:23,600
DMC 14.50 50 on sign. Um, and this will

4631
03:13:23,600 --> 03:13:26,800
be with Director Batty. Um, and I'll go

4632
03:13:26,800 --> 03:13:28,960
ahead and read

4633
03:13:28,960 --> 03:13:31,760
a little blurb here before I open it.

4634
03:13:31,760 --> 03:13:33,439
So, in adherence to the regulations

4635
03:13:33,439 --> 03:13:34,960
outlined for public hearings before the

4636
03:13:34,960 --> 03:13:36,800
Duval City Council, chapter 10 of the

4637
03:13:36,800 --> 03:13:39,040
City Council procedures, any individual

4638
03:13:39,040 --> 03:13:40,479
seeking to address the council during

4639
03:13:40,479 --> 03:13:42,239
the designated public comment segment

4640
03:13:42,239 --> 03:13:43,359
must comply with the following

4641
03:13:43,359 --> 03:13:45,520
procedures. First, sign in on the

4642
03:13:45,520 --> 03:13:47,200
prioritated form, which I have now

4643
03:13:47,200 --> 03:13:48,960
specific to the public hearing. and

4644
03:13:48,960 --> 03:13:50,080
second, thoroughly complete all

4645
03:13:50,080 --> 03:13:52,160
pertinent sections of the said form.

4646
03:13:52,160 --> 03:13:53,920
Upon the commencement of the hearing, as

4647
03:13:53,920 --> 03:13:55,279
announced by the chair, typically the

4648
03:13:55,279 --> 03:13:56,960
mayor, the city clerk will present the

4649
03:13:56,960 --> 03:13:58,399
sign-in sheet to the chair.

4650
03:13:58,399 --> 03:14:00,000
Subsequently, the chair will proceed

4651
03:14:00,000 --> 03:14:01,680
with the agenda for the public hearing.

4652
03:14:01,680 --> 03:14:03,200
Each speaker will be summoned to the

4653
03:14:03,200 --> 03:14:04,640
podium in the order listed on the

4654
03:14:04,640 --> 03:14:06,319
sign-in form and must state their name

4655
03:14:06,319 --> 03:14:07,760
and if relevant, their address,

4656
03:14:07,760 --> 03:14:09,120
affiliation with any group,

4657
03:14:09,120 --> 03:14:10,880
organization, or group being

4658
03:14:10,880 --> 03:14:12,720
represented, and their corresponding

4659
03:14:12,720 --> 03:14:14,080
role or position within that

4660
03:14:14,080 --> 03:14:16,160
organization. Time limits for speaking

4661
03:14:16,160 --> 03:14:17,520
engagements are three minutes for

4662
03:14:17,520 --> 03:14:19,120
individuals speaking on their own behalf

4663
03:14:19,120 --> 03:14:20,800
and five minutes for those representing

4664
03:14:20,800 --> 03:14:23,040
a group or organization unless otherwise

4665
03:14:23,040 --> 03:14:24,640
determined by a majority vote of the

4666
03:14:24,640 --> 03:14:26,800
council present. The city clerk will

4667
03:14:26,800 --> 03:14:28,399
monitor and enforce these time limits,

4668
03:14:28,399 --> 03:14:30,000
setting a timer for each speaker to

4669
03:14:30,000 --> 03:14:31,840
ensure adherence. Comments should be

4670
03:14:31,840 --> 03:14:33,520
pertinent to the subject matter of the

4671
03:14:33,520 --> 03:14:35,040
public hearing and respectfully

4672
03:14:35,040 --> 03:14:37,200
addressed to the city council. Personal

4673
03:14:37,200 --> 03:14:38,560
remarks are deemed inappropriate.

4674
03:14:38,560 --> 03:14:40,720
Disorderly conduct, including disruptive

4675
03:14:40,720 --> 03:14:42,720
behaviors such as cheering, applause,

4676
03:14:42,720 --> 03:14:44,399
booing, or harassment, will not be

4677
03:14:44,399 --> 03:14:46,399
tolerated and may result in removal from

4678
03:14:46,399 --> 03:14:48,640
the premises. Speakers may alternatively

4679
03:14:48,640 --> 03:14:50,720
submit written com statements which will

4680
03:14:50,720 --> 03:14:52,399
be added to the official record by the

4681
03:14:52,399 --> 03:14:54,399
city clerk. Questions posed during the

4682
03:14:54,399 --> 03:14:55,520
hearing will not be answered

4683
03:14:55,520 --> 03:14:56,960
immediately. They may be addressed at

4684
03:14:56,960 --> 03:14:58,640
the chair's discretion after the comment

4685
03:14:58,640 --> 03:15:01,040
period closes. Copies of city council

4686
03:15:01,040 --> 03:15:02,640
and public hearing procedures will be

4687
03:15:02,640 --> 03:15:04,880
available upon request to attendees at

4688
03:15:04,880 --> 03:15:06,319
the outset of each public hearing

4689
03:15:06,319 --> 03:15:08,239
session conducted by the Duval city

4690
03:15:08,239 --> 03:15:10,800
council. And with that, I will open the

4691
03:15:10,800 --> 03:15:12,319
public hearing on proposed amendments to

4692
03:15:12,319 --> 03:15:16,720
DMC 14.50 on signs at 8:46.

4693
03:15:16,720 --> 03:15:21,510
>> I will turn it over to Director Batty.

4694
03:15:21,520 --> 03:15:26,710
» Good evening.

4695
03:15:26,720 --> 03:15:30,640
Um so the public hearing for our sign

4696
03:15:30,640 --> 03:15:36,560
code um I'm sure you're all uh

4697
03:15:36,560 --> 03:15:38,160
remember all the details of the things

4698
03:15:38,160 --> 03:15:40,160
we talked about in in previous

4699
03:15:40,160 --> 03:15:42,399
discussion of that council kind of solve

4700
03:15:42,399 --> 03:15:45,279
time. There we go. Yay. Um so so

4701
03:15:45,279 --> 03:15:49,120
background this is just for um temporary

4702
03:15:49,120 --> 03:15:52,560
sign updates um as there are numerous

4703
03:15:52,560 --> 03:15:54,960
court cases that speak to signs being

4704
03:15:54,960 --> 03:15:58,640
content neutral. Um also our sign our

4705
03:15:58,640 --> 03:16:00,000
temporary sign regulations were a little

4706
03:16:00,000 --> 03:16:01,840
confusing. So we wanted to clean that up

4707
03:16:01,840 --> 03:16:03,359
and we wanted to have standards that are

4708
03:16:03,359 --> 03:16:07,279
consistent. Um next slide please. So

4709
03:16:07,279 --> 03:16:10,720
these key changes, um, instead of having

4710
03:16:10,720 --> 03:16:12,800
categories of political signs and real

4711
03:16:12,800 --> 03:16:14,800
estate signs because that requires you

4712
03:16:14,800 --> 03:16:16,640
knowing what sign says in order to

4713
03:16:16,640 --> 03:16:18,880
regulate it, we got rid of those

4714
03:16:18,880 --> 03:16:21,120
categories and now it's based on form

4715
03:16:21,120 --> 03:16:25,040
instead of what's in it. Um,

4716
03:16:25,040 --> 03:16:27,200
and in addition with that, we had to

4717
03:16:27,200 --> 03:16:28,800
modify the regulations as well as the

4718
03:16:28,800 --> 03:16:30,960
definitions that correspond with those.

4719
03:16:30,960 --> 03:16:34,160
Um and this provided some streamlining

4720
03:16:34,160 --> 03:16:36,560
um of these temporary sign regulations

4721
03:16:36,560 --> 03:16:38,160
and murals got moved to their own

4722
03:16:38,160 --> 03:16:40,000
special section. They should be they are

4723
03:16:40,000 --> 03:16:43,760
not temporary sign. Next please.

4724
03:16:43,760 --> 03:16:46,399
>> So what was not included were categories

4725
03:16:46,399 --> 03:16:49,120
of permanent signs. Um so those are all

4726
03:16:49,120 --> 03:16:51,680
saying the same for now. I'm hoping in

4727
03:16:51,680 --> 03:16:54,640
future soon work plan that council would

4728
03:16:54,640 --> 03:16:57,680
be willing to have staff work on those

4729
03:16:57,680 --> 03:17:01,040
sections of code. Um so all the

4730
03:17:01,040 --> 03:17:02,720
regulations regarding permanent signs

4731
03:17:02,720 --> 03:17:07,120
untouched per next slide please. Um we

4732
03:17:07,120 --> 03:17:08,319
did have a couple of sign code

4733
03:17:08,319 --> 03:17:10,239
workshops. One focused more on the

4734
03:17:10,239 --> 03:17:12,160
banner signs the community banner signs

4735
03:17:12,160 --> 03:17:13,920
that are generally of interest to

4736
03:17:13,920 --> 03:17:17,920
nonprofits and community groups. Um

4737
03:17:17,920 --> 03:17:21,840
generally they're supportive of uh the draft changes that were being

4738
03:17:21,840 --> 03:17:24,319
proposed. And then on July 7th, we had

4739
03:17:24,319 --> 03:17:28,000
one that was focused more on um smaller

4740
03:17:28,000 --> 03:17:30,960
and medium-sized um signs that get

4741
03:17:30,960 --> 03:17:32,960
posted generally either in the public

4742
03:17:32,960 --> 03:17:35,760
ride of way or may or may not be posted

4743
03:17:35,760 --> 03:17:39,359
as part of um a real estate sale. So

4744
03:17:39,359 --> 03:17:41,520
there was a discussion um at that

4745
03:17:41,520 --> 03:17:45,520
workshop where there were um requests to

4746
03:17:45,520 --> 03:17:47,439
increase the number of aboard signs,

4747
03:17:47,439 --> 03:17:49,120
greater density of the state signs that

4748
03:17:49,120 --> 03:17:51,600
are in the right of way um reducing

4749
03:17:51,600 --> 03:17:54,080
setbacks and and having real estate

4750
03:17:54,080 --> 03:17:56,160
signs placed in other places. There was

4751
03:17:56,160 --> 03:17:59,200
discussion of I can't regulate a sign as

4752
03:17:59,200 --> 03:18:02,640
a real estate sign. I can only say

4753
03:18:02,640 --> 03:18:06,319
where something is, how big it is, um

4754
03:18:06,319 --> 03:18:08,239
how long it could be there for. That's

4755
03:18:08,239 --> 03:18:09,920
the only thing that the city has the

4756
03:18:09,920 --> 03:18:12,479
right to control. Um, next slide,

4757
03:18:12,479 --> 03:18:15,279
please. So, planning commission had

4758
03:18:15,279 --> 03:18:19,600
their uh public hearing last week. Um,

4759
03:18:19,600 --> 03:18:21,200
they

4760
03:18:21,200 --> 03:18:24,640
there was um a letter submitted by the

4761
03:18:24,640 --> 03:18:28,319
King County Realators Association.

4762
03:18:28,319 --> 03:18:32,000
I don't correct. Okay. Thank you. Um and

4763
03:18:32,000 --> 03:18:37,120
they had requested in a letter to um

4764
03:18:37,120 --> 03:18:41,600
increase the number of Abor signs um and

4765
03:18:41,600 --> 03:18:44,560
to reduce the separation between the

4766
03:18:44,560 --> 03:18:47,600
small metal state signs. Um those are

4767
03:18:47,600 --> 03:18:48,880
the ones that are in the park strips

4768
03:18:48,880 --> 03:18:52,720
between sign off and the curb. Um and to

4769
03:18:52,720 --> 03:18:56,800
modify the um generally it's those post

4770
03:18:56,800 --> 03:18:59,359
and arm traditional real estate type

4771
03:18:59,359 --> 03:19:02,880
sign to go from 5T from the property

4772
03:19:02,880 --> 03:19:04,880
line to 3 ft from the property front

4773
03:19:04,880 --> 03:19:07,359
property line. Um staff agreed that

4774
03:19:07,359 --> 03:19:09,920
modifying the front step back to 3 ft

4775
03:19:09,920 --> 03:19:12,880
would not have a big visual impact with

4776
03:19:12,880 --> 03:19:15,279
uh along the rideway. However, the

4777
03:19:15,279 --> 03:19:18,880
reduction um in the separation for those

4778
03:19:18,880 --> 03:19:22,640
small signs would be a 67% increase. So,

4779
03:19:22,640 --> 03:19:25,600
if you had a 100 foot rideway, the 5ft

4780
03:19:25,600 --> 03:19:27,279
separation means you'd have 20 of those

4781
03:19:27,279 --> 03:19:29,920
signs. If you only had three feet

4782
03:19:29,920 --> 03:19:33,680
separation, you would end up with 67. Um

4783
03:19:33,680 --> 03:19:36,319
and the discussion was that would result

4784
03:19:36,319 --> 03:19:38,960
in visual blight. And so, uh planning

4785
03:19:38,960 --> 03:19:40,880
commission did not recommend that as

4786
03:19:40,880 --> 03:19:43,120
part of the amendments. Um there was a

4787
03:19:43,120 --> 03:19:44,560
discussion about increasing the number

4788
03:19:44,560 --> 03:19:47,760
of aboard signs and when the discussion

4789
03:19:47,760 --> 03:19:50,080
then went to the specifics of where

4790
03:19:50,080 --> 03:19:52,560
would those be placed would are you

4791
03:19:52,560 --> 03:19:56,319
referring to changing um along the front

4792
03:19:56,319 --> 03:19:58,560
end versus anywhere after some

4793
03:19:58,560 --> 03:20:01,359
discussion. The motion to include that

4794
03:20:01,359 --> 03:20:03,359
was dropped from by the planning

4795
03:20:03,359 --> 03:20:06,399
commission. So the recommendation only

4796
03:20:06,399 --> 03:20:08,000
then included the modification for the

4797
03:20:08,000 --> 03:20:11,600
front setback reduction. Um so that is

4798
03:20:11,600 --> 03:20:18,309
now uh before you this evening and

4799
03:20:18,319 --> 03:20:21,120
that's the end of staff projation.

4800
03:20:21,120 --> 03:20:24,160
>> Thank you. So I'm going down my list.

4801
03:20:24,160 --> 03:20:25,840
First person I see signed up for the

4802
03:20:25,840 --> 03:20:30,950
public hearing is Randy Banaker.

4803
03:20:30,960 --> 03:20:32,319
Just want to approach the podium

4804
03:20:32,319 --> 03:20:33,760
assuming you're speaking on behalf of

4805
03:20:33,760 --> 03:20:35,840
your organization. Correct. Thank you.

4806
03:20:35,840 --> 03:20:38,640
>> Yes. Thanks, Mayor uh Ray, and I'm here

4807
03:20:38,640 --> 03:20:40,080
on behalf of the Seattle King County

4808
03:20:40,080 --> 03:20:42,000
Realtors. Appreciate your time. I' I've

4809
03:20:42,000 --> 03:20:44,000
been before you several times during the

4810
03:20:44,000 --> 03:20:47,120
sign code update process. I appreciate

4811
03:20:47,120 --> 03:20:48,880
uh your listening. I know you want to

4812
03:20:48,880 --> 03:20:51,920
wrap this up. Um we are really

4813
03:20:51,920 --> 03:20:53,439
concerned. I got to tell you, the code

4814
03:20:53,439 --> 03:20:57,600
is drafted. It allows one openhouse sign

4815
03:20:57,600 --> 03:20:59,600
that will make it the most restrictive

4816
03:20:59,600 --> 03:21:03,680
openhouse code in Central Ped. Open

4817
03:21:03,680 --> 03:21:06,080
house signs are used to establish

4818
03:21:06,080 --> 03:21:09,279
wayfinding, a trail if you will, to

4819
03:21:09,279 --> 03:21:12,160
point someone to the house that's open.

4820
03:21:12,160 --> 03:21:14,800
And these open houses typically occur on

4821
03:21:14,800 --> 03:21:18,000
a Sunday afternoon from 1 to 4:00 p.m. U

4822
03:21:18,000 --> 03:21:19,840
those open house signs are are placed in

4823
03:21:19,840 --> 03:21:21,520
the rightway.

4824
03:21:21,520 --> 03:21:23,520
Our members pick them up because they

4825
03:21:23,520 --> 03:21:26,000
cost about $100 a sign. So there's very

4826
03:21:26,000 --> 03:21:27,920
much an incentive to take care of those

4827
03:21:27,920 --> 03:21:33,040
signs. Uh we are we our position is we

4828
03:21:33,040 --> 03:21:36,000
did not engage in the dispersion between

4829
03:21:36,000 --> 03:21:38,160
the state aeros signs. That's not our

4830
03:21:38,160 --> 03:21:40,399
position. I'm going to leave you with a

4831
03:21:40,399 --> 03:21:42,399
letter I'd like to enter into the record

4832
03:21:42,399 --> 03:21:45,200
that Michaela G sent to you and we also

4833
03:21:45,200 --> 03:21:47,840
shared with the planning commission. Um

4834
03:21:47,840 --> 03:21:50,000
but again the openhouse aboard signs are

4835
03:21:50,000 --> 03:21:53,840
a big deal. Uh I my my interpretation of

4836
03:21:53,840 --> 03:21:56,080
the planning commission discussion was

4837
03:21:56,080 --> 03:21:59,040
uh confusion about where the the the the

4838
03:21:59,040 --> 03:22:02,080
code is drafted landed and I believe the

4839
03:22:02,080 --> 03:22:04,000
maker of the motion assumed that we were

4840
03:22:04,000 --> 03:22:07,200
covered for those five signs.

4841
03:22:07,200 --> 03:22:11,840
Um so I tonight respectfully request

4842
03:22:11,840 --> 03:22:15,120
that you amend the code to enable uh

4843
03:22:15,120 --> 03:22:17,279
those five signs and do it very

4844
03:22:17,279 --> 03:22:20,399
surgically in your sign code table. And

4845
03:22:20,399 --> 03:22:22,319
I'll leave you with this. I just did a

4846
03:22:22,319 --> 03:22:26,560
little markup that currently as drafted

4847
03:22:26,560 --> 03:22:29,760
uh you are allowed an aboard one per

4848
03:22:29,760 --> 03:22:33,840
frontage and one offsite for properties

4849
03:22:33,840 --> 03:22:35,680
up for sale or lease or under

4850
03:22:35,680 --> 03:22:37,920
construction in certain zones in the

4851
03:22:37,920 --> 03:22:41,600
MU12, the R4, the R4.5, the R six, the

4852
03:22:41,600 --> 03:22:45,040
R8, the R12, the R20, and the RV zones.

4853
03:22:45,040 --> 03:22:47,840
I just ask that you change that second

4854
03:22:47,840 --> 03:22:52,479
part from one sign to four signs and

4855
03:22:52,479 --> 03:22:54,000
allow them to be placed in the right

4856
03:22:54,000 --> 03:22:56,880
way. Uh it's consistent with the the

4857
03:22:56,880 --> 03:22:59,520
intent uh of the of the table as the

4858
03:22:59,520 --> 03:23:03,439
matrix is drafted and it will resolve

4859
03:23:03,439 --> 03:23:06,960
our problem. Um, I think as drafted, we

4860
03:23:06,960 --> 03:23:08,800
will be coming back to you uh because

4861
03:23:08,800 --> 03:23:11,120
it's it's just not super functional. And

4862
03:23:11,120 --> 03:23:13,920
I I I'm telling you, our members really

4863
03:23:13,920 --> 03:23:16,160
want to comply with the law. And I think

4864
03:23:16,160 --> 03:23:17,680
it's going to be challenging for folks

4865
03:23:17,680 --> 03:23:19,760
who aren't aware of the code and just

4866
03:23:19,760 --> 03:23:22,160
assume like almost every other

4867
03:23:22,160 --> 03:23:24,160
jurisdiction, King County, Snowish, and

4868
03:23:24,160 --> 03:23:29,840
Pierce County that they'll be able to uh post more than one open house site if

4869
03:23:29,840 --> 03:23:32,640
they're taking on open. I know you want

4870
03:23:32,640 --> 03:23:34,399
to get this off your plates, but I just

4871
03:23:34,399 --> 03:23:36,960
ask you to do the do the right sizing

4872
03:23:36,960 --> 03:23:39,600
now. And and again, I appreciate your

4873
03:23:39,600 --> 03:23:41,120
willingness to let us be part of the

4874
03:23:41,120 --> 03:23:44,000
process. I'm going to uh leave the clerk

4875
03:23:44,000 --> 03:23:46,479
with our letter, ask that we add to the

4876
03:23:46,479 --> 03:23:49,600
record, and then I've got uh handouts on

4877
03:23:49,600 --> 03:23:55,359
just this this simple markup on your u code matrix and the and the code

4878
03:23:55,359 --> 03:23:57,279
is drafted. Thank you.

4879
03:23:57,279 --> 03:24:01,760
>> Great. Thank you. Next, let's see.

4880
03:24:01,760 --> 03:24:03,520
Mike Beard, you wrote not yet? I'm just

4881
03:24:03,520 --> 03:24:06,160
checking in. Did you want to talk about

4882
03:24:06,160 --> 03:24:09,680
>> Sorry. And then is Kate still here?

4883
03:24:09,680 --> 03:24:12,479
>> I think I saw

4884
03:24:12,479 --> 03:24:14,560
>> Kate. No.

4885
03:24:14,560 --> 03:24:16,960
>> Um Lauren, I think did you want to speak

4886
03:24:16,960 --> 03:24:19,680
on that? Okay. Yeah. Yep. I got it. I

4887
03:24:19,680 --> 03:24:21,760
figured there might be a couple. Would

4888
03:24:21,760 --> 03:24:25,040
you like to speak about No. Okay. Um

4889
03:24:25,040 --> 03:24:29,840
Trish is a maybe Trish Watson. No. Okay.

4890
03:24:29,840 --> 03:24:33,200
>> No. No.

4891
03:24:33,200 --> 03:24:35,439
And Carrie Vanville, did you want to

4892
03:24:35,439 --> 03:24:38,160
speak? Is she still here?

4893
03:24:38,160 --> 03:24:42,319
I don't see her. Okay. Um,

4894
03:24:42,319 --> 03:24:44,399
Pam Wilmont

4895
03:24:44,399 --> 03:24:46,319
didn't fill out the Just want to double

4896
03:24:46,319 --> 03:24:50,562
check. Okay. Uh, Michaela G.

4897
03:24:50,562 --> 03:24:53,910
[laughter]

4898
03:24:53,920 --> 03:24:55,279
» And are you speaking on behalf of

4899
03:24:55,279 --> 03:24:57,279
yourself or on an organization? Uh, this

4900
03:24:57,279 --> 03:25:00,319
is a King County Realtor. Okay. Is that

4901
03:25:00,319 --> 03:25:02,560
Yeah, I think that's u. So, good

4902
03:25:02,560 --> 03:25:04,239
evening. I'm Michaela. I spoke in front

4903
03:25:04,239 --> 03:25:06,000
of you guys a couple of times now. Um

4904
03:25:06,000 --> 03:25:08,000
I'm a local real estate broker, business

4905
03:25:08,000 --> 03:25:10,800
owner on Main Street, and um I belong to

4906
03:25:10,800 --> 03:25:12,560
our Government Repairs Committee for

4907
03:25:12,560 --> 03:25:14,560
Sydney County Association of Realtors.

4908
03:25:14,560 --> 03:25:16,880
I'm here tonight to ask the council to

4909
03:25:16,880 --> 03:25:18,960
make a motion to amend the proposed sign

4910
03:25:18,960 --> 03:25:22,560
code. Your table 14503,

4911
03:25:22,560 --> 03:25:24,560
specifically the Aboard signs relating

4912
03:25:24,560 --> 03:25:26,640
to residential properties for sale.

4913
03:25:26,640 --> 03:25:28,560
We're just hoping for four offsite of

4914
03:25:28,560 --> 03:25:30,160
the residential properties that are

4915
03:25:30,160 --> 03:25:32,319
allowed in the rideway. Open house signs

4916
03:25:32,319 --> 03:25:34,319
are really important. Just last weekend,

4917
03:25:34,319 --> 03:25:36,479
met a couple from Sacramento that was

4918
03:25:36,479 --> 03:25:39,359
driving around town and stopped into a

4919
03:25:39,359 --> 03:25:41,680
home. They're looking in the area. Um,

4920
03:25:41,680 --> 03:25:43,760
and without those open house signs, they

4921
03:25:43,760 --> 03:25:44,880
wouldn't have stopped. They wouldn't

4922
03:25:44,880 --> 03:25:46,800
have gotten to know Duvall. We had a

4923
03:25:46,800 --> 03:25:48,239
wonderful welcome guide from the Chamber

4924
03:25:48,239 --> 03:25:50,800
of Commerce that was made. And just

4925
03:25:50,800 --> 03:25:52,479
having that relationship purely because

4926
03:25:52,479 --> 03:25:54,800
of openhouse aboard is really important.

4927
03:25:54,800 --> 03:25:57,279
It allows economic viability for

4928
03:25:57,279 --> 03:25:59,600
homeowners, home sellers, home buyers.

4929
03:25:59,600 --> 03:26:01,760
So really important to continue to have

4930
03:26:01,760 --> 03:26:04,239
those open house eboard signs. I think

4931
03:26:04,239 --> 03:26:07,040
especially in a community like Duvall

4932
03:26:07,040 --> 03:26:09,200
where we have many neighborhoods, many

4933
03:26:09,200 --> 03:26:10,960
down street, several turnoffs off the

4934
03:26:10,960 --> 03:26:14,239
corridor. We need more than one sign. So

4935
03:26:14,239 --> 03:26:15,520
they're temporary. I actually just

4936
03:26:15,520 --> 03:26:17,760
placed an order for more signs. Even

4937
03:26:17,760 --> 03:26:20,399
broker joined us across the street. It

4938
03:26:20,399 --> 03:26:24,000
was just shy of $800 for five signs. Uh

4939
03:26:24,000 --> 03:26:25,680
they're very expensive. They are an

4940
03:26:25,680 --> 03:26:28,319
investment into the business. We don't

4941
03:26:28,319 --> 03:26:30,800
want to leave them out. They get stolen

4942
03:26:30,800 --> 03:26:33,600
every once in a while. Um it's critical

4943
03:26:33,600 --> 03:26:36,080
to our business to have those and a very

4944
03:26:36,080 --> 03:26:37,680
expensive mistake if we were to leave

4945
03:26:37,680 --> 03:26:39,920
them out and they get swiped by by

4946
03:26:39,920 --> 03:26:43,359
someone else or getting damaged. Um so I

4947
03:26:43,359 --> 03:26:44,880
ask that the council make a motion to

4948
03:26:44,880 --> 03:26:47,200
amend this table this evening. And I

4949
03:26:47,200 --> 03:26:49,359
thank you for so much for all of the

4950
03:26:49,359 --> 03:26:51,680
work on the code, the workshops. I know

4951
03:26:51,680 --> 03:26:54,080
it takes a lot of time from city staff.

4952
03:26:54,080 --> 03:26:55,840
I know this has been a process through

4953
03:26:55,840 --> 03:26:58,560
multiple staff members. Um so thank you.

4954
03:26:58,560 --> 03:27:00,000
again.

4955
03:27:00,000 --> 03:27:03,920
>> Thank you. Uh Meg Town, are you still

4956
03:27:03,920 --> 03:27:07,439
here? And did you want to speak? Uh Mike

4957
03:27:07,439 --> 03:27:10,640
Town, I'm guessing. Oh

4958
03:27:10,640 --> 03:27:14,000
no. Okay, I'll move on here. Nina

4959
03:27:14,000 --> 03:27:16,960
Oshovski, did you want to speak on this

4960
03:27:16,960 --> 03:27:20,239
public hearing?

4961
03:27:20,239 --> 03:27:23,600
Okay. Um, Elizabeth's Hill still here.

4962
03:27:23,600 --> 03:27:25,520
>> Yeah, but

4963
03:27:25,520 --> 03:27:27,359
>> you put Yes. But I think I think many

4964
03:27:27,359 --> 03:27:29,680
people might have thought it was about

4965
03:27:29,680 --> 03:27:31,760
um something else. So, I'm gonna have to

4966
03:27:31,760 --> 03:27:33,040
just go through. So, you're No, I'm

4967
03:27:33,040 --> 03:27:34,479
speaking on the public hearing.

4968
03:27:34,479 --> 03:27:35,120
>> Yes.

4969
03:27:35,120 --> 03:27:38,239
>> Okay. Celeste, is she still here?

4970
03:27:38,239 --> 03:27:40,239
>> Okay.

4971
03:27:40,239 --> 03:27:41,200
Monica,

4972
03:27:41,200 --> 03:27:42,399
>> sorry, I was confused.

4973
03:27:42,399 --> 03:27:44,319
>> Oh, that's fine. Yeah. No, I get it.

4974
03:27:44,319 --> 03:27:48,960
It's a process. Boomer head.

4975
03:27:48,960 --> 03:27:53,439
No. Uh Johanna Porter,

4976
03:27:53,439 --> 03:27:56,640
did you want to speak?

4977
03:27:56,640 --> 03:27:59,359
>> Okay. Um

4978
03:27:59,359 --> 03:28:01,520
>> might be it. That is it on the list. So

4979
03:28:01,520 --> 03:28:03,200
now I would just ask, is there anyone in

4980
03:28:03,200 --> 03:28:04,880
the audience that wanted to speak at

4981
03:28:04,880 --> 03:28:07,040
this public hearing on the proposed

4982
03:28:07,040 --> 03:28:09,520
amendment to 1450

4983
03:28:09,520 --> 03:28:12,399
sign?

4984
03:28:12,399 --> 03:28:14,720
Seeing none, I will go ahead and close

4985
03:28:14,720 --> 03:28:18,550
the hearing at 8:59.

4986
03:28:18,560 --> 03:28:20,239
Now we're on to existing business.

4987
03:28:20,239 --> 03:28:22,800
First, we have agenda bill 26-62,

4988
03:28:22,800 --> 03:28:27,040
proposed amendments to DMC uh 14.66.140

4989
03:28:27,040 --> 03:28:29,120
on unit lot subdivisions. And this is

4990
03:28:29,120 --> 03:28:31,359
with director Batty.

4991
03:28:31,359 --> 03:28:34,160
>> Good evening yet again.

4992
03:28:34,160 --> 03:28:36,800
um

4993
03:28:36,800 --> 03:28:40,160
unit lot subdivisions are um are

4994
03:28:40,160 --> 03:28:43,920
required under yet another Senate bill

4995
03:28:43,920 --> 03:28:46,800
that has passed um through the state. So

4996
03:28:46,800 --> 03:28:50,239
here we are tonight um to

4997
03:28:50,239 --> 03:28:52,720
give you a refresher before um we

4998
03:28:52,720 --> 03:28:54,960
prepare for a public hearing in the near

4999
03:28:54,960 --> 03:28:58,000
future. Um next slide please. So, unit

5000
03:28:58,000 --> 03:29:01,120
lot subdivisions are um an alternative

5001
03:29:01,120 --> 03:29:03,439
means of creating smaller properties

5002
03:29:03,439 --> 03:29:06,560
that could potentially be sold. Um so,

5003
03:29:06,560 --> 03:29:12,560
parent lots must conform to a um

5004
03:29:12,560 --> 03:29:13,920
to the development standards of that

5005
03:29:13,920 --> 03:29:15,680
zoning district, but then the smaller

5006
03:29:15,680 --> 03:29:20,319
child slash unit lots inside um are free

5007
03:29:20,319 --> 03:29:23,600
from those restrictions. So this allows

5008
03:29:23,600 --> 03:29:25,359
um

5009
03:29:25,359 --> 03:29:26,960
this supports the development of middle

5010
03:29:26,960 --> 03:29:28,880
housing smaller units that can be sold

5011
03:29:28,880 --> 03:29:33,040
off. So the goal is um oh next slide

5012
03:29:33,040 --> 03:29:35,600
please. Thank you. Why allow them? The

5013
03:29:35,600 --> 03:29:38,560
goal is uh to provide flexibility and

5014
03:29:38,560 --> 03:29:41,359
hopefully create alternative um methods

5015
03:29:41,359 --> 03:29:43,920
of home ownership by having a greater

5016
03:29:43,920 --> 03:29:48,080
variety of ownership types. Um and these

5017
03:29:48,080 --> 03:29:50,080
can be done with small cottage units.

5018
03:29:50,080 --> 03:29:52,720
These can be um small attached units.

5019
03:29:52,720 --> 03:30:00,080
This could even be done with an ADU. So, there's a lot of um

5020
03:30:00,080 --> 03:30:02,399
little ways to like slice and dice uh a

5021
03:30:02,399 --> 03:30:06,000
regular size property to to to allow a

5022
03:30:06,000 --> 03:30:08,399
unit lot subdivision. Next slide,

5023
03:30:08,399 --> 03:30:13,920
please. Um so, we received a letter from

5024
03:30:13,920 --> 03:30:16,000
the Master Builders Association of King

5025
03:30:16,000 --> 03:30:19,359
and Snowom counties. Um, one of their

5026
03:30:19,359 --> 03:30:21,920
comments was about

5027
03:30:21,920 --> 03:30:25,520
um, unit lot subdivisions must follow

5028
03:30:25,520 --> 03:30:28,000
the short subdivision process of a

5029
03:30:28,000 --> 03:30:30,880
jurisdiction. Our code currently only

5030
03:30:30,880 --> 03:30:34,000
allows up to the subdivision into four

5031
03:30:34,000 --> 03:30:38,479
lots with a short subdivision. As such,

5032
03:30:38,479 --> 03:30:40,720
only four lots, child lots may be

5033
03:30:40,720 --> 03:30:44,000
allowed under the unit lot subdivision.

5034
03:30:44,000 --> 03:30:46,880
Should council want to increase that

5035
03:30:46,880 --> 03:30:50,239
number, um I don't remember which RCW it

5036
03:30:50,239 --> 03:30:52,720
is, but you can do up to nine per state

5037
03:30:52,720 --> 03:30:54,000
legislation, but it'll have to be

5038
03:30:54,000 --> 03:30:56,880
adopted um through a local ordinance.

5039
03:30:56,880 --> 03:30:59,920
So, that will be I'm looking forward to

5040
03:30:59,920 --> 03:31:02,640
presenting you a menu of different work

5041
03:31:02,640 --> 03:31:04,319
plan items that you get to choose from

5042
03:31:04,319 --> 03:31:06,560
for next year. So, this can be on that

5043
03:31:06,560 --> 03:31:08,960
menu item and then you don't get to pick

5044
03:31:08,960 --> 03:31:10,640
everything on the menu because you only

5045
03:31:10,640 --> 03:31:13,680
have so much capacity. um but can be

5046
03:31:13,680 --> 03:31:16,960
considered. Um one of the other comments

5047
03:31:16,960 --> 03:31:19,120
that we received from them was regarding

5048
03:31:19,120 --> 03:31:22,239
utility connections and in discussing

5049
03:31:22,239 --> 03:31:26,399
with the um ever hardworking and

5050
03:31:26,399 --> 03:31:30,640
problemsolving city engineer. Um she she

5051
03:31:30,640 --> 03:31:32,560
uh crafted some language that would be

5052
03:31:32,560 --> 03:31:35,120
in compliance with our code while

5053
03:31:35,120 --> 03:31:38,239
without micromanaging that specificity

5054
03:31:38,239 --> 03:31:40,479
within the UNIL subdvision. So then the

5055
03:31:40,479 --> 03:31:42,479
consideration is to have utility

5056
03:31:42,479 --> 03:31:44,080
connections for individual lot shall

5057
03:31:44,080 --> 03:31:46,640
comply with the title 9 and public works

5058
03:31:46,640 --> 03:31:48,880
development design standards. Planning

5059
03:31:48,880 --> 03:31:51,200
staff has zero objections to public

5060
03:31:51,200 --> 03:31:53,680
works the recommend recommended

5061
03:31:53,680 --> 03:31:55,760
modification to that section of the

5062
03:31:55,760 --> 03:31:58,160
proposed.

5063
03:31:58,160 --> 03:31:59,840
Um

5064
03:31:59,840 --> 03:32:06,389
uh next slide please.

5065
03:32:06,399 --> 03:32:09,680
So, um, so we've had discussions with,

5066
03:32:09,680 --> 03:32:11,600
uh, planning commission presenting it

5067
03:32:11,600 --> 03:32:13,680
tonight to city council. We're hoping to

5068
03:32:13,680 --> 03:32:15,040
get this wrapped up so that we can

5069
03:32:15,040 --> 03:32:18,640
prepare it for a public hearing in

5070
03:32:18,640 --> 03:32:20,960
September, in the early October, near

5071
03:32:20,960 --> 03:32:24,800
future. Um, and get this done by the end

5072
03:32:24,800 --> 03:32:27,359
of the year along with all of our other

5073
03:32:27,359 --> 03:32:29,920
required work plan items.

5074
03:32:29,920 --> 03:32:32,000
Next slide.

5075
03:32:32,000 --> 03:32:33,680
Any questions?

5076
03:32:33,680 --> 03:32:35,520
>> Great. and council, this is just up for

5077
03:32:35,520 --> 03:32:37,600
discussion tonight. Um, does anyone have

5078
03:32:37,600 --> 03:32:41,510
any comments or questions?

5079
03:32:41,520 --> 03:32:43,200
» Uh, council member Hernandez.

5080
03:32:43,200 --> 03:32:47,680
>> So, uh, do we have an estimate of how

5081
03:32:47,680 --> 03:32:49,920
requiring like all the sewer, water,

5082
03:32:49,920 --> 03:32:51,760
power service connections would affect

5083
03:32:51,760 --> 03:32:54,479
the affordability of the the homes in

5084
03:32:54,479 --> 03:32:55,600
the lot?

5085
03:32:55,600 --> 03:32:57,520
>> I'm going to tag the signature here.

5086
03:32:57,520 --> 03:33:00,479
>> That is a great question. Um, and

5087
03:33:00,479 --> 03:33:03,439
something that will be coming forward to

5088
03:33:03,439 --> 03:33:05,600
council in the future, we're working on

5089
03:33:05,600 --> 03:33:07,680
our GSA

5090
03:33:07,680 --> 03:33:10,479
uh, rate study and along with that going

5091
03:33:10,479 --> 03:33:13,279
to come the conversation about utility

5092
03:33:13,279 --> 03:33:16,239
ch well capital connection charges for

5093
03:33:16,239 --> 03:33:17,840
ADUs

5094
03:33:17,840 --> 03:33:22,720
um, and or uh, unit lot subdivision

5095
03:33:22,720 --> 03:33:24,319
properties.

5096
03:33:24,319 --> 03:33:26,560
um as we have our code written right now

5097
03:33:26,560 --> 03:33:29,520
is every parcel has to have a third

5098
03:33:29,520 --> 03:33:32,960
connection. Um and so understanding that

5099
03:33:32,960 --> 03:33:35,680
with these unit lot subdivision types of

5100
03:33:35,680 --> 03:33:38,720
land use and ADUs and that type of

5101
03:33:38,720 --> 03:33:41,520
thing, it's not always the best use of

5102
03:33:41,520 --> 03:33:44,399
service. um especially because there is

5103
03:33:44,399 --> 03:33:47,680
existing capacity within a single family

5104
03:33:47,680 --> 03:33:51,279
residential meter that can service that

5105
03:33:51,279 --> 03:33:53,920
ADU that that homeowner or that property

5106
03:33:53,920 --> 03:33:57,040
owner is building um in order to support

5107
03:33:57,040 --> 03:33:59,200
you know aging and place parents or you

5108
03:33:59,200 --> 03:34:01,760
know whatever that choice is to have the

5109
03:34:01,760 --> 03:34:04,080
ADU built. Um, we have a covenant

5110
03:34:04,080 --> 03:34:07,840
currently um that is recorded with ADUs

5111
03:34:07,840 --> 03:34:10,080
that requires if there is an ownership

5112
03:34:10,080 --> 03:34:14,160
change from that ADU or what could

5113
03:34:14,160 --> 03:34:16,160
potentially be a unit built through the

5114
03:34:16,160 --> 03:34:18,560
unit lot subdivision, if that changes

5115
03:34:18,560 --> 03:34:21,760
ownership from the primary owner, they

5116
03:34:21,760 --> 03:34:24,160
are required to by our utility billing

5117
03:34:24,160 --> 03:34:26,560
code, as our finance director can

5118
03:34:26,560 --> 03:34:29,680
attest, um, to have a uh, water service

5119
03:34:29,680 --> 03:34:31,840
connection. And with that water service

5120
03:34:31,840 --> 03:34:34,880
connection comes a capital charge um and

5121
03:34:34,880 --> 03:34:38,479
then uh potentially a sewer and storm.

5122
03:34:38,479 --> 03:34:41,040
Um there are alternatives to how we

5123
03:34:41,040 --> 03:34:44,800
would assess those fees based on um the

5124
03:34:44,800 --> 03:34:46,960
size of the dwelling unit and that's

5125
03:34:46,960 --> 03:34:48,399
kind of the future work that we're going

5126
03:34:48,399 --> 03:34:50,479
to that public works either Steve or

5127
03:34:50,479 --> 03:34:52,560
myself will bring to council. Um we

5128
03:34:52,560 --> 03:34:55,120
haven't quite nailed that down yet. We

5129
03:34:55,120 --> 03:34:57,600
do impact fees at a 50% reduction. So

5130
03:34:57,600 --> 03:34:59,760
traffic impact fee, park impact fee is

5131
03:34:59,760 --> 03:35:03,040
reduced by 50%. Um it was kind of in the

5132
03:35:03,040 --> 03:35:05,680
assumption that all GFC's impact fees in

5133
03:35:05,680 --> 03:35:10,880
general would be 50%. Um that does make

5134
03:35:10,880 --> 03:35:13,439
a unit lot subdivision type project and

5135
03:35:13,439 --> 03:35:17,120
or an ADU um hard to be considered

5136
03:35:17,120 --> 03:35:20,000
affordable. Uh the state and commerce

5137
03:35:20,000 --> 03:35:21,920
guidance does not see them as

5138
03:35:21,920 --> 03:35:24,479
affordable. they see them as fitting the

5139
03:35:24,479 --> 03:35:26,960
middle housing bucket which is the 80 to

5140
03:35:26,960 --> 03:35:31,520
120 AMI. Um so what that means for us

5141
03:35:31,520 --> 03:35:33,840
and council as the decision makers for

5142
03:35:33,840 --> 03:35:36,479
how we implement those um capital

5143
03:35:36,479 --> 03:35:39,920
connection charges um that is to come.

5144
03:35:39,920 --> 03:35:40,560
>> Thank you.

5145
03:35:40,560 --> 03:35:41,520
>> Yeah.

5146
03:35:41,520 --> 03:35:46,309
>> Right. Council member Wiggins.

5147
03:35:46,319 --> 03:35:49,680
» All right. Yes. Thank you. Um I'd like

5148
03:35:49,680 --> 03:35:52,560
uh to ask Dr. debated to look at uh next

5149
03:35:52,560 --> 03:35:53,840
time this comes back that we look at

5150
03:35:53,840 --> 03:35:56,000
increasing the um subdivision cap of

5151
03:35:56,000 --> 03:35:57,439
four. It just seems like there might be

5152
03:35:57,439 --> 03:36:01,600
some residents or areas of uh Duvall

5153
03:36:01,600 --> 03:36:04,160
that would that has acreage and maybe

5154
03:36:04,160 --> 03:36:06,479
four really would cap them and I'd like

5155
03:36:06,479 --> 03:36:08,319
to give them the opportunity those those

5156
03:36:08,319 --> 03:36:10,880
areas that have got acreage to um

5157
03:36:10,880 --> 03:36:13,040
increase uh the number of unit lots from

5158
03:36:13,040 --> 03:36:14,000
four. I don't know if it's going to be

5159
03:36:14,000 --> 03:36:16,000
nine, but I would like to see some uh

5160
03:36:16,000 --> 03:36:18,000
maybe some different options for us to

5161
03:36:18,000 --> 03:36:20,960
look at outside of just the four unit uh

5162
03:36:20,960 --> 03:36:24,160
lots. Also, um do we know if this Senate

5163
03:36:24,160 --> 03:36:26,080
bill that's coming across that we're

5164
03:36:26,080 --> 03:36:28,560
dealing with here, Senate Bill 5258, do

5165
03:36:28,560 --> 03:36:30,479
we know if that requires the lot owners

5166
03:36:30,479 --> 03:36:33,520
to sell off these subdivided short plats

5167
03:36:33,520 --> 03:36:36,000
or could they in essence just uh lease

5168
03:36:36,000 --> 03:36:38,000
them all out? And if they are going to

5169
03:36:38,000 --> 03:36:39,439
lease them all out, do we have any

5170
03:36:39,439 --> 03:36:41,279
legislation here in town that keeps them

5171
03:36:41,279 --> 03:36:42,880
from making them short-term rentals? So

5172
03:36:42,880 --> 03:36:44,239
we're not dealing with a whole bunch of

5173
03:36:44,239 --> 03:36:47,920
Airbnbs popping up across the city.

5174
03:36:47,920 --> 03:36:49,520
>> We thought about that and you don't have

5175
03:36:49,520 --> 03:36:51,279
to answer that. Director Batty, but you

5176
03:36:51,279 --> 03:36:52,720
can come back with that later.

5177
03:36:52,720 --> 03:36:53,920
>> Council member Wiggins, city

5178
03:36:53,920 --> 03:36:55,279
administrator McNab, I think might have

5179
03:36:55,279 --> 03:36:56,960
an answer to your question.

5180
03:36:56,960 --> 03:36:58,960
>> So I can answer the short-term rental.

5181
03:36:58,960 --> 03:37:01,680
So uh right now the city of Duval, our

5182
03:37:01,680 --> 03:37:04,960
code does not permit short-term rentals.

5183
03:37:04,960 --> 03:37:08,479
It's kind of the um uh the lack of

5184
03:37:08,479 --> 03:37:13,279
language is the the it's a proving a

5185
03:37:13,279 --> 03:37:16,000
negative. So, because we don't permit

5186
03:37:16,000 --> 03:37:18,479
them, you cannot have them. And so,

5187
03:37:18,479 --> 03:37:20,239
right now, there's nothing in our code

5188
03:37:20,239 --> 03:37:22,160
that allows short-term rentals in the

5189
03:37:22,160 --> 03:37:24,720
city of Duval. It's been kind of taken

5190
03:37:24,720 --> 03:37:28,080
on and put off um by various councils

5191
03:37:28,080 --> 03:37:30,239
onto the community development

5192
03:37:30,239 --> 03:37:32,800
department work plan. And so it's up to

5193
03:37:32,800 --> 03:37:35,920
council to decide moving into the 2728

5194
03:37:35,920 --> 03:37:37,840
bianium if you want us to address

5195
03:37:37,840 --> 03:37:40,640
short-term rentals. But right now we

5196
03:37:40,640 --> 03:37:42,560
short-term rentals are not a permitted

5197
03:37:42,560 --> 03:37:47,680
use uh within the city of Duvall

5198
03:37:47,680 --> 03:37:48,399
>> explicitly.

5199
03:37:48,399 --> 03:37:52,239
>> All right. Other comments or questions?

5200
03:37:52,239 --> 03:37:54,239
>> Can I ask Council Member Wiggins? Did

5201
03:37:54,239 --> 03:37:55,920
you have a followup or you can go ahead

5202
03:37:55,920 --> 03:37:57,279
if you have a second question. I I

5203
03:37:57,279 --> 03:37:58,720
didn't see any other Was there another

5204
03:37:58,720 --> 03:38:00,160
hand up? I didn't see another hand.

5205
03:38:00,160 --> 03:38:04,239
>> No, you're good. Okay. Um

5206
03:38:04,239 --> 03:38:06,160
I I in the in the presentation and the

5207
03:38:06,160 --> 03:38:07,520
slides, I see the mention of home

5208
03:38:07,520 --> 03:38:08,800
ownership and home ownership, but

5209
03:38:08,800 --> 03:38:10,800
there's nothing that says that

5210
03:38:10,800 --> 03:38:14,880
subdividing out a plat by a parent lot,

5211
03:38:14,880 --> 03:38:16,560
nothing says they have to sell it.

5212
03:38:16,560 --> 03:38:18,560
Correct. This doesn't necessarily mean

5213
03:38:18,560 --> 03:38:20,000
we're going to have more opportunities

5214
03:38:20,000 --> 03:38:23,359
to own a home for um uh someone that

5215
03:38:23,359 --> 03:38:25,040
that's just coming into the area, but

5216
03:38:25,040 --> 03:38:28,399
they can possibly rent it. Maybe not

5217
03:38:28,399 --> 03:38:30,000
shortterm is there's nothing out there,

5218
03:38:30,000 --> 03:38:32,000
but they could possibly lease it for a

5219
03:38:32,000 --> 03:38:35,760
year by the owner. So, I don't know if

5220
03:38:35,760 --> 03:38:38,720
>> Okay. So, any subdivision of land

5221
03:38:38,720 --> 03:38:41,040
doesn't require that those properties be

5222
03:38:41,040 --> 03:38:45,200
sold off. The same person or entity can

5223
03:38:45,200 --> 03:38:47,120
own all of those properties in

5224
03:38:47,120 --> 03:38:49,279
perpetuity if they so choose. One

5225
03:38:49,279 --> 03:38:52,246
example is Duval Village.

5226
03:38:52,246 --> 03:38:53,760
[clears throat]

5227
03:38:53,760 --> 03:38:57,200
Pubalt Village subdivided, but the

5228
03:38:57,200 --> 03:39:00,880
developer did not sell off any of the

5229
03:39:00,880 --> 03:39:03,439
residences. So, those are all rented and

5230
03:39:03,439 --> 03:39:05,040
that's allowed.

5231
03:39:05,040 --> 03:39:06,239
>> Okay.

5232
03:39:06,239 --> 03:39:09,200
>> Or they sorry, the developer sold it to

5233
03:39:09,200 --> 03:39:09,920
a management

5234
03:39:09,920 --> 03:39:11,600
>> to a management company. Yeah. But they

5235
03:39:11,600 --> 03:39:15,040
haven't been sold to people to real

5236
03:39:15,040 --> 03:39:18,309
people.

5237
03:39:18,319 --> 03:39:19,120
» Yes.

5238
03:39:19,120 --> 03:39:20,479
>> Other comments or questions from

5239
03:39:20,479 --> 03:39:22,479
council?

5240
03:39:22,479 --> 03:39:24,319
All right, seeing none, we'll move on to

5241
03:39:24,319 --> 03:39:26,239
our last item of existing business,

5242
03:39:26,239 --> 03:39:28,880
agenda bill 26-63, proposed amendments

5243
03:39:28,880 --> 03:39:30,960
to DMC14.50

5244
03:39:30,960 --> 03:39:34,720
on signs and again to director Batty.

5245
03:39:34,720 --> 03:39:37,040
Um

5246
03:39:37,040 --> 03:39:38,479
we won't go through the presentation

5247
03:39:38,479 --> 03:39:41,760
again, but if there's any questions

5248
03:39:41,760 --> 03:39:43,840
um

5249
03:39:43,840 --> 03:39:46,880
any discussion you'd like to hold before

5250
03:39:46,880 --> 03:39:49,920
uh the decision

5251
03:39:49,920 --> 03:39:52,720
may pro I do have a question because it

5252
03:39:52,720 --> 03:39:54,880
came up in the comments but it was also

5253
03:39:54,880 --> 03:39:56,720
referenced on your slides and and

5254
03:39:56,720 --> 03:39:58,800
actually I reached out to you sort of

5255
03:39:58,800 --> 03:40:00,080
prior to the meeting but I didn't see

5256
03:40:00,080 --> 03:40:02,880
any changes as well. Um, I did not watch

5257
03:40:02,880 --> 03:40:06,239
the planning commission meeting,

5258
03:40:06,239 --> 03:40:10,479
but I it would be helpful to understand

5259
03:40:10,479 --> 03:40:12,000
a little bit of the rationale in terms

5260
03:40:12,000 --> 03:40:14,239
of why they didn't move forward. I

5261
03:40:14,239 --> 03:40:15,920
didn't necessarily wasn't going to

5262
03:40:15,920 --> 03:40:17,600
recommend a change to five coming to the

5263
03:40:17,600 --> 03:40:20,399
meeting, but I also recognized, you

5264
03:40:20,399 --> 03:40:22,239
know, one sign in front of the property

5265
03:40:22,239 --> 03:40:24,479
and one well, there were actually two

5266
03:40:24,479 --> 03:40:26,000
things, one in the property and sort of

5267
03:40:26,000 --> 03:40:29,279
one somewhere else. And then also how

5268
03:40:29,279 --> 03:40:30,880
that conflicted with the redway which

5269
03:40:30,880 --> 03:40:33,040
was only one. So there was that piece of

5270
03:40:33,040 --> 03:40:35,439
it in terms of rationaliz but but also

5271
03:40:35,439 --> 03:40:37,760
just understanding like

5272
03:40:37,760 --> 03:40:40,560
what was the rationale in terms of

5273
03:40:40,560 --> 03:40:42,239
recommending against the change from

5274
03:40:42,239 --> 03:40:45,520
what I because I I guess I'm trying to

5275
03:40:45,520 --> 03:40:47,200
that was not where I would have landed

5276
03:40:47,200 --> 03:40:48,960
and so I'm trying to understand their

5277
03:40:48,960 --> 03:40:51,040
thinking. So, at the at the planning

5278
03:40:51,040 --> 03:40:52,560
commission hearing, the letter was

5279
03:40:52,560 --> 03:40:57,600
presented um and there was a motion to

5280
03:40:57,600 --> 03:41:01,200
recommend um adoption of the sign code

5281
03:41:01,200 --> 03:41:03,200
of ordinance with the changes as spelled

5282
03:41:03,200 --> 03:41:08,080
out in the letter. And um and so as a a

5283
03:41:08,080 --> 03:41:11,520
clarifier that asked um like what

5284
03:41:11,520 --> 03:41:13,439
specifically were you looking to change

5285
03:41:13,439 --> 03:41:16,319
within the code regulations? So we we

5286
03:41:16,319 --> 03:41:20,160
went point by point um from the letter

5287
03:41:20,160 --> 03:41:24,080
to discuss when when the request is for

5288
03:41:24,080 --> 03:41:26,399
a greater number of aboard signs. The

5289
03:41:26,399 --> 03:41:32,800
code right now says you may have one for um if you are a real estate agent

5290
03:41:32,800 --> 03:41:34,080
and you're looking to have an aboard

5291
03:41:34,080 --> 03:41:36,560
sign for an open house. The code allows

5292
03:41:36,560 --> 03:41:38,239
one in front of the property and then

5293
03:41:38,239 --> 03:41:40,880
one elsewhere within the rightway. Um,

5294
03:41:40,880 --> 03:41:45,680
so I asked, "Do you mean you want two as

5295
03:41:45,680 --> 03:41:48,080
a frontage and three somewhere else, or

5296
03:41:48,080 --> 03:41:49,680
you still want one as a frontage and

5297
03:41:49,680 --> 03:41:51,600
four somewhere else, or what do you

5298
03:41:51,600 --> 03:41:55,600
actually want?" Um, and they weren't

5299
03:41:55,600 --> 03:42:03,910
sure. Um, and then we also discussed um,

5300
03:42:03,920 --> 03:42:06,319
Can you go back to the slide, please?

5301
03:42:06,319 --> 03:42:09,359
Oh, so we discussed the spacing. Um I

5302
03:42:09,359 --> 03:42:10,720
asked if they wanted the smaller

5303
03:42:10,720 --> 03:42:16,000
spacing. Um they they agreed.

5304
03:42:16,000 --> 03:42:19,359
Yeah, thank you. Um

5305
03:42:19,359 --> 03:42:22,319
we discussed uh the that it would

5306
03:42:22,319 --> 03:42:24,880
effectively lead to visual blight. Um

5307
03:42:24,880 --> 03:42:28,479
and then when we talked about um incre

5308
03:42:28,479 --> 03:42:32,800
decreasing the front setback for those

5309
03:42:32,800 --> 03:42:37,920
um the medium size such as posted arm

5310
03:42:37,920 --> 03:42:40,160
signs um that wouldn't have a great

5311
03:42:40,160 --> 03:42:42,479
impact. So staff was recommending reduce

5312
03:42:42,479 --> 03:42:44,399
that front step back but did not

5313
03:42:44,399 --> 03:42:45,840
recommend increasing the number of

5314
03:42:45,840 --> 03:42:49,040
aboard signs or reducing the separation.

5315
03:42:49,040 --> 03:42:50,880
And so as we talked through it and I

5316
03:42:50,880 --> 03:42:52,800
asked for specificity on exactly how

5317
03:42:52,800 --> 03:42:55,439
they wanted the code changed,

5318
03:42:55,439 --> 03:42:57,920
the planning commissioner uh withdrew

5319
03:42:57,920 --> 03:43:01,279
their motion to make those amendments

5320
03:43:01,279 --> 03:43:04,399
and then there was a new motion to

5321
03:43:04,399 --> 03:43:06,000
recommend approval per staff's

5322
03:43:06,000 --> 03:43:08,000
recommendation

5323
03:43:08,000 --> 03:43:12,550
and that is the time.

5324
03:43:12,560 --> 03:43:16,640
» Other council comments, questions,

5325
03:43:16,640 --> 03:43:19,439
uh council member. Yeah, I really I

5326
03:43:19,439 --> 03:43:21,279
can't really go along with the uh

5327
03:43:21,279 --> 03:43:23,040
planning commission's recommendations

5328
03:43:23,040 --> 03:43:25,279
that

5329
03:43:25,279 --> 03:43:27,040
you know driving around on Sunday

5330
03:43:27,040 --> 03:43:29,040
afternoon.

5331
03:43:29,040 --> 03:43:33,120
I don't really see a plethora of aboards

5332
03:43:33,120 --> 03:43:35,199
on every street corner and every ride

5333
03:43:35,199 --> 03:43:37,040
away. It doesn't seem like that's really

5334
03:43:37,040 --> 03:43:40,160
a big problem. Temporary signs, small

5335
03:43:40,160 --> 03:43:42,479
signs, they drive up and down main

5336
03:43:42,479 --> 03:43:44,479
street. I just see them all over the

5337
03:43:44,479 --> 03:43:46,800
place and that's that's more of a issue

5338
03:43:46,800 --> 03:43:48,239
for me.

5339
03:43:48,239 --> 03:43:52,000
But I I I could see restricting

5340
03:43:52,000 --> 03:43:54,880
temporary eightword signs to just one on

5341
03:43:54,880 --> 03:43:58,000
the property and one located somewhere

5342
03:43:58,000 --> 03:43:59,760
else. That's not really going to help

5343
03:43:59,760 --> 03:44:05,349
anybody find find the house at all.

5344
03:44:05,359 --> 03:44:07,040
» Other comments. Uh council member

5345
03:44:07,040 --> 03:44:08,000
Wiggins.

5346
03:44:08,000 --> 03:44:10,720
>> Uh yes. Hi. Am I am I reading the uh the

5347
03:44:10,720 --> 03:44:12,800
matrices correct for aboard frames

5348
03:44:12,800 --> 03:44:17,040
temporary because I'm I'm seeing two and

5349
03:44:17,040 --> 03:44:19,760
but I'm hearing one on this call. Am I

5350
03:44:19,760 --> 03:44:21,199
reading this thing incorrectly?

5351
03:44:21,199 --> 03:44:23,680
>> One and one. So it's two total but it's

5352
03:44:23,680 --> 03:44:25,199
one and one.

5353
03:44:25,199 --> 03:44:27,359
>> It's one on property and one somewhere

5354
03:44:27,359 --> 03:44:29,120
else within the right ofway. So it's two

5355
03:44:29,120 --> 03:44:32,880
total signs per open house.

5356
03:44:32,880 --> 03:44:34,960
>> Yeah. I remember the uh the open house

5357
03:44:34,960 --> 03:44:37,279
or that we had and hearing from the

5358
03:44:37,279 --> 03:44:39,120
realtors and they wanted five and we

5359
03:44:39,120 --> 03:44:40,880
went back and forth. It came out as one

5360
03:44:40,880 --> 03:44:42,160
and they wanted five and I thought we

5361
03:44:42,160 --> 03:44:44,000
met in the middle somewhere. Was that

5362
03:44:44,000 --> 03:44:47,120
presented to planning commission?

5363
03:44:47,120 --> 03:44:50,000
>> This the the presentation to planning

5364
03:44:50,000 --> 03:44:53,760
commission um was the one for frontage,

5365
03:44:53,760 --> 03:44:56,080
one for off-site and then they had a

5366
03:44:56,080 --> 03:44:57,920
discussion about allowing more and they

5367
03:44:57,920 --> 03:44:59,680
decided to not go forward with that

5368
03:44:59,680 --> 03:45:00,479
motion.

5369
03:45:00,479 --> 03:45:04,319
>> Yeah.

5370
03:45:04,319 --> 03:45:06,800
>> Quick question, point of information. I

5371
03:45:06,800 --> 03:45:09,760
know this is ripe for decision. Um, is

5372
03:45:09,760 --> 03:45:12,000
there a time limit on this decision?

5373
03:45:12,000 --> 03:45:13,520
Like you need it by a certain time or

5374
03:45:13,520 --> 03:45:15,279
it's passable at any point. I know we

5375
03:45:15,279 --> 03:45:16,560
want to get it done, but I just want to

5376
03:45:16,560 --> 03:45:18,800
check if there's a statute. Go ahead.

5377
03:45:18,800 --> 03:45:22,000
>> Um, yeah. No, we're not Well, the

5378
03:45:22,000 --> 03:45:23,760
Supreme Court ruled 10 years ago that we

5379
03:45:23,760 --> 03:45:26,561
needed to fix this. So, Right. Yeah. Um,

5380
03:45:26,561 --> 03:45:27,199
[laughter]

5381
03:45:27,199 --> 03:45:30,800
so ultimately there's one issue left and

5382
03:45:30,800 --> 03:45:34,640
if we could get council by kind of a

5383
03:45:34,640 --> 03:45:37,359
vote here tonight on how many aboard

5384
03:45:37,359 --> 03:45:40,160
signs you want, we can finish this work,

5385
03:45:40,160 --> 03:45:42,720
create an an ordinance and put it on

5386
03:45:42,720 --> 03:45:45,600
consent next time and include the site

5387
03:45:45,600 --> 03:45:48,239
code work, which would be lovely to take

5388
03:45:48,239 --> 03:45:50,800
something off of director Batty's

5389
03:45:50,800 --> 03:45:54,640
>> workload. So ideally we could go around

5390
03:45:54,640 --> 03:45:56,720
with council, come up with a number,

5391
03:45:56,720 --> 03:45:58,479
give her direction so we can finish this

5392
03:45:58,479 --> 03:46:01,359
work by next week. With that said, we're

5393
03:46:01,359 --> 03:46:03,040
under no

5394
03:46:03,040 --> 03:46:04,800
>> dead statutory deadline to have this

5395
03:46:04,800 --> 03:46:05,120
done.

5396
03:46:05,120 --> 03:46:06,239
>> But they don't necessarily need to vote

5397
03:46:06,239 --> 03:46:07,520
on it. You would just want a general

5398
03:46:07,520 --> 03:46:08,960
consensus and potentially could come

5399
03:46:08,960 --> 03:46:10,880
back on consent agenda next month.

5400
03:46:10,880 --> 03:46:12,560
>> It is on the planning calendar to come

5401
03:46:12,560 --> 03:46:14,479
back to consent.

5402
03:46:14,479 --> 03:46:14,800
>> Okay.

5403
03:46:14,800 --> 03:46:17,680
>> For 91. So, with that, um, Council

5404
03:46:17,680 --> 03:46:19,359
Member Wiggins, do you have a proposal

5405
03:46:19,359 --> 03:46:21,520
or did you have a different question?

5406
03:46:21,520 --> 03:46:24,720
>> Three. I go I'm going with three.

5407
03:46:24,720 --> 03:46:26,640
>> Um, Council Member Olen, would you just

5408
03:46:26,640 --> 03:46:28,640
mind verbalizing? I see your hand. I

5409
03:46:28,640 --> 03:46:29,760
actually can't see if you're raising

5410
03:46:29,760 --> 03:46:31,840
your hand or showing me three fingers or

5411
03:46:31,840 --> 03:46:32,640
something else.

5412
03:46:32,640 --> 03:46:35,040
>> I I was also going to suggest three.

5413
03:46:35,040 --> 03:46:37,359
>> Okay. Um, Council Member Supple, did you

5414
03:46:37,359 --> 03:46:38,560
want to weigh in on that?

5415
03:46:38,560 --> 03:46:44,560
>> Yeah, I don't see three being sufficient number. You know, I' I'd go

5416
03:46:44,560 --> 03:46:46,319
with five.

5417
03:46:46,319 --> 03:46:47,680
I mean, it doesn't mean they have to set

5418
03:46:47,680 --> 03:46:50,479
up five, right? If you got a house a

5419
03:46:50,479 --> 03:46:52,239
block off of Main Street,

5420
03:46:52,239 --> 03:46:53,520
>> you're going to set one up on Main

5421
03:46:53,520 --> 03:46:55,520
Street, one on the prop. You're not

5422
03:46:55,520 --> 03:47:07,590
going to set up five in particers

5423
03:47:07,600 --> 03:47:10,560
or whatever. It's just, it's not a it's

5424
03:47:10,560 --> 03:47:13,359
not a problem for me.

5425
03:47:13,359 --> 03:47:15,040
Mayor Prism, did you want to weigh in on

5426
03:47:15,040 --> 03:47:16,399
three, five, or some other number?

5427
03:47:16,399 --> 03:47:17,840
>> Yeah. So, I mean, I initially was going

5428
03:47:17,840 --> 03:47:19,359
to go by three, but you know, again,

5429
03:47:19,359 --> 03:47:22,080
it's based on where you live in in sort

5430
03:47:22,080 --> 03:47:24,239
of Legacy Ridge. I see one outside then,

5431
03:47:24,239 --> 03:47:26,080
you know, you're right in the house, but

5432
03:47:26,080 --> 03:47:28,000
depending on how far off a beach you

5433
03:47:28,000 --> 03:47:30,160
are, the number will vary. I also don't

5434
03:47:30,160 --> 03:47:33,359
see a big difference in impact between

5435
03:47:33,359 --> 03:47:35,199
three and five. So, I would be fine

5436
03:47:35,199 --> 03:47:37,760
going with five. We can always adjust

5437
03:47:37,760 --> 03:47:39,040
it. I think that's one of the things

5438
03:47:39,040 --> 03:47:40,800
we've learned. If it turns out to be too

5439
03:47:40,800 --> 03:47:43,279
many, we can revisit this in a future.

5440
03:47:43,279 --> 03:47:44,560
>> Council member Hernandez,

5441
03:47:44,560 --> 03:47:45,920
>> I'm probably going to be the weird one

5442
03:47:45,920 --> 03:47:48,560
here and say four. [laughter]

5443
03:47:48,560 --> 03:47:50,880
>> Uh, one in front of the house, one on a

5444
03:47:50,880 --> 03:47:52,399
main street, and then two wayf finding

5445
03:47:52,399 --> 03:47:54,479
ones.

5446
03:47:54,479 --> 03:47:56,720
>> So, I will circle back around one more

5447
03:47:56,720 --> 03:47:59,359
time [laughter] because we've got two

5448
03:47:59,359 --> 03:48:01,359
for three, two for five, and one for

5449
03:48:01,359 --> 03:48:03,760
four for funsies. Um,

5450
03:48:03,760 --> 03:48:05,359
>> Council Member Wiggins, do you Oh, do

5451
03:48:05,359 --> 03:48:06,160
you have a suggestion?

5452
03:48:06,160 --> 03:48:08,479
>> Um, I I would like a clarifying point.

5453
03:48:08,479 --> 03:48:11,040
Right now the um the draft is one per

5454
03:48:11,040 --> 03:48:12,960
frontage and one offsite.

5455
03:48:12,960 --> 03:48:13,760
>> Oh, I see.

5456
03:48:13,760 --> 03:48:16,800
>> Are it I would like feedback. Is it just

5457
03:48:16,800 --> 03:48:18,880
a maximum and you don't care where they

5458
03:48:18,880 --> 03:48:21,279
are located and we do not regulate said

5459
03:48:21,279 --> 03:48:25,760
location and it's just a number or you

5460
03:48:25,760 --> 03:48:29,680
may uh have a x number for frontage and

5461
03:48:29,680 --> 03:48:31,600
y number everywhere up.

5462
03:48:31,600 --> 03:48:33,680
>> That's a good clarification. Did you or

5463
03:48:33,680 --> 03:48:36,239
Oh, do you want to go ahead? I I'm not a

5464
03:48:36,239 --> 03:48:39,279
policy maker, but can I offer that I do

5465
03:48:39,279 --> 03:48:41,279
manage enforcement. I think it'd be

5466
03:48:41,279 --> 03:48:42,880
easier if we just had a number of folks

5467
03:48:42,880 --> 03:48:44,000
can put them wherever they want.

5468
03:48:44,000 --> 03:48:44,960
>> Yeah.

5469
03:48:44,960 --> 03:48:48,080
>> Um Council Member Wiggins, I'll start

5470
03:48:48,080 --> 03:48:50,800
back with you. Um I just want to check.

5471
03:48:50,800 --> 03:48:53,279
Are you stuck at three, which is fine if

5472
03:48:53,279 --> 03:48:55,199
you are, or are you open to a higher

5473
03:48:55,199 --> 03:48:57,120
number, and then are you also open to it

5474
03:48:57,120 --> 03:48:58,720
just being an overall number and they

5475
03:48:58,720 --> 03:49:00,479
can put them where they want rather than

5476
03:49:00,479 --> 03:49:03,279
differentiating the one on property in?

5477
03:49:03,279 --> 03:49:03,600
Okay.

5478
03:49:03,600 --> 03:49:05,840
>> Yeah, I'm okay if we want to go five. I

5479
03:49:05,840 --> 03:49:07,199
just don't want to see five on Main

5480
03:49:07,199 --> 03:49:08,479
Street. So, I'm going to add that in

5481
03:49:08,479 --> 03:49:11,920
there. I don't want five on Main Street.

5482
03:49:11,920 --> 03:49:13,359
>> No.

5483
03:49:13,359 --> 03:49:14,640
>> Council member Olen, do you want to

5484
03:49:14,640 --> 03:49:16,720
weigh back in? Are you still at three or

5485
03:49:16,720 --> 03:49:19,279
did you want to move in one direction?

5486
03:49:19,279 --> 03:49:20,560
>> I'm fine if you are.

5487
03:49:20,560 --> 03:49:23,600
>> I I'm okay with with five. My my request

5488
03:49:23,600 --> 03:49:25,600
would be that if you know if if

5489
03:49:25,600 --> 03:49:28,399
enforcement becomes a problem or if

5490
03:49:28,399 --> 03:49:30,800
these become you know an eyesore which

5491
03:49:30,800 --> 03:49:32,800
it sounds like they won't but if they do

5492
03:49:32,800 --> 03:49:34,399
that we would circle back

5493
03:49:34,399 --> 03:49:37,520
>> and or or that city staff would would um

5494
03:49:37,520 --> 03:49:39,279
speak up if enforcement becomes an

5495
03:49:39,279 --> 03:49:41,279
issue.

5496
03:49:41,279 --> 03:49:44,160
>> So it sounds like it's not unanimous but

5497
03:49:44,160 --> 03:49:45,760
I'm looking at you now I'm just kidding.

5498
03:49:45,760 --> 03:49:48,479
Um but in general five is acceptable to

5499
03:49:48,479 --> 03:49:51,279
a majority actually five you get the

5500
03:49:51,279 --> 03:49:53,760
five. Okay, thank you. I appreciate the

5501
03:49:53,760 --> 03:49:56,399
extra time. I think we're I think we're

5502
03:49:56,399 --> 03:49:56,880
there.

5503
03:49:56,880 --> 03:49:57,680
>> We're getting so close.

5504
03:49:57,680 --> 03:50:00,000
>> Okay, so are we are we good then and for

5505
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:02,560
that to come back with a draft? Okay,

5506
03:50:02,560 --> 03:50:04,000
perfect.

5507
03:50:04,000 --> 03:50:06,399
>> So, um before we move on to new

5508
03:50:06,399 --> 03:50:08,560
business, um with someone on council,

5509
03:50:08,560 --> 03:50:09,760
would you like to make a motion to

5510
03:50:09,760 --> 03:50:11,520
extend the meeting past 9:30 just so we

5511
03:50:11,520 --> 03:50:14,319
don't come up that time?

5512
03:50:14,319 --> 03:50:17,279
>> I moved to extend the meeting past 9:30.

5513
03:50:17,279 --> 03:50:18,160
Seconded.

5514
03:50:18,160 --> 03:50:19,920
>> It's been moved and seconded to extend

5515
03:50:19,920 --> 03:50:22,800
past 9:30. All those in favor say I.

5516
03:50:22,800 --> 03:50:24,800
>> I.

5517
03:50:24,800 --> 03:50:28,640
>> All those opposed say no. Motion passes.

5518
03:50:28,640 --> 03:50:30,640
And so next up we are on to new

5519
03:50:30,640 --> 03:50:32,479
business. And it is my greatest pleasure

5520
03:50:32,479 --> 03:50:33,920
to now turn this portion of the meeting

5521
03:50:33,920 --> 03:50:36,319
over to Mayor Mercer.

5522
03:50:36,319 --> 03:50:38,479
>> Thank you. [clears throat]

5523
03:50:38,479 --> 03:50:42,640
Um yeah, hopefully this will move fairly

5524
03:50:42,640 --> 03:50:45,680
quickly so we can I know we still have

5525
03:50:45,680 --> 03:50:47,760
quite a bit on the agenda this evening.

5526
03:50:47,760 --> 03:50:50,880
Um, so I'd like to start by thanking

5527
03:50:50,880 --> 03:50:52,880
everyone who applied and encourage those

5528
03:50:52,880 --> 03:50:55,840
who don't get selected this time around

5529
03:50:55,840 --> 03:50:58,239
not to get discouraged. Um, I think many

5530
03:50:58,239 --> 03:50:59,520
of us on this council, we've been

5531
03:50:59,520 --> 03:51:01,040
through this process multiple times,

5532
03:51:01,040 --> 03:51:03,520
sometimes before we get get appointed.

5533
03:51:03,520 --> 03:51:04,720
Uh, and there will be other

5534
03:51:04,720 --> 03:51:06,319
opportunities to get involved in city

5535
03:51:06,319 --> 03:51:08,800
government and or participate in public

5536
03:51:08,800 --> 03:51:11,600
service within the community. Uh, for

5537
03:51:11,600 --> 03:51:13,359
council procedures, we'll be using a

5538
03:51:13,359 --> 03:51:16,000
streamline process this evening to fill

5539
03:51:16,000 --> 03:51:18,640
the vacancy. Um, we actually have two

5540
03:51:18,640 --> 03:51:20,640
positions open right now. Tonight we'll

5541
03:51:20,640 --> 03:51:22,319
just be focusing on position number

5542
03:51:22,319 --> 03:51:25,040
three. Um,

5543
03:51:25,040 --> 03:51:27,520
uh, and so that streamline process

5544
03:51:27,520 --> 03:51:29,359
involves a public interview session of

5545
03:51:29,359 --> 03:51:31,199
the candidates followed by an executive

5546
03:51:31,199 --> 03:51:33,120
session to discuss each candidates's

5547
03:51:33,120 --> 03:51:36,319
responses and then an open vote. The

5548
03:51:36,319 --> 03:51:37,920
list of potential interview questions

5549
03:51:37,920 --> 03:51:39,680
was determined in advance by the city

5550
03:51:39,680 --> 03:51:41,600
council.

5551
03:51:41,600 --> 03:51:43,680
Um,

5552
03:51:43,680 --> 03:51:45,600
I will ask each candidate the same set

5553
03:51:45,600 --> 03:51:47,199
of questions while the other candidate

5554
03:51:47,199 --> 03:51:49,439
stays outside the room. When the

5555
03:51:49,439 --> 03:51:51,040
interviews are completed, council will

5556
03:51:51,040 --> 03:51:52,640
go into executive session to discuss

5557
03:51:52,640 --> 03:51:54,399
each candidate's responses and their

5558
03:51:54,399 --> 03:51:56,640
qualifications. When the council meeting

5559
03:51:56,640 --> 03:51:58,080
resumes, we will conduct a vote by

5560
03:51:58,080 --> 03:52:00,800
matrix. We each council member will

5561
03:52:00,800 --> 03:52:03,680
receive one vote per candidate. Tides

5562
03:52:03,680 --> 03:52:05,439
will be determined by subsequent runoff

5563
03:52:05,439 --> 03:52:08,399
votes until only one candidate remains.

5564
03:52:08,399 --> 03:52:11,600
Um, and I believe we only have two. I'm

5565
03:52:11,600 --> 03:52:12,720
sorry, city administrator.

5566
03:52:12,720 --> 03:52:15,040
>> Yeah. Um, so we need to clarify the

5567
03:52:15,040 --> 03:52:20,080
agenda. So those rules are for um

5568
03:52:20,080 --> 03:52:24,479
when uh we'd be doing the whole series

5569
03:52:24,479 --> 03:52:27,439
in a meeting. So we have not noticed an

5570
03:52:27,439 --> 03:52:29,279
executive session following the

5571
03:52:29,279 --> 03:52:31,760
interview. Uh the agenda has an

5572
03:52:31,760 --> 03:52:34,560
interview and then an immediate vote for

5573
03:52:34,560 --> 03:52:36,479
position three. So I just want to make

5574
03:52:36,479 --> 03:52:38,479
sure we clarify the executive session

5575
03:52:38,479 --> 03:52:41,520
under new business number four is to

5576
03:52:41,520 --> 03:52:43,840
select the finalist for position number

5577
03:52:43,840 --> 03:52:46,950
two.

5578
03:52:46,960 --> 03:52:48,560
» Thank you. We haven't followed you. We

5579
03:52:48,560 --> 03:52:51,439
had to discuss something different the

5580
03:52:51,439 --> 03:52:53,760
>> agenda setting but that's that's fine

5581
03:52:53,760 --> 03:52:57,120
but appreciate the clarification. So um

5582
03:52:57,120 --> 03:52:58,880
so then yes it'll be the interview and

5583
03:52:58,880 --> 03:53:02,479
then then the vote. Um

5584
03:53:02,479 --> 03:53:04,160
uh the two candidates uh we'll be

5585
03:53:04,160 --> 03:53:07,600
interviewing this evening are Mala Mu

5586
03:53:07,600 --> 03:53:13,600
Vivo and Sarah Taylor. Um uh it may be

5587
03:53:13,600 --> 03:53:15,840
easy. I I we typically just do in

5588
03:53:15,840 --> 03:53:18,080
alphabetical order is the easiest way.

5589
03:53:18,080 --> 03:53:21,760
Um so Sarah, I will ask you to sort of

5590
03:53:21,760 --> 03:53:23,040
step out. I don't know if they're going

5591
03:53:23,040 --> 03:53:24,720
to go downstairs for this.

5592
03:53:24,720 --> 03:53:39,990
>> I can and go downstairs.

5593
03:53:40,000 --> 03:53:42,880
and then we'll call you up get to see

5594
03:53:42,880 --> 03:53:46,630
the process as well

5595
03:53:46,640 --> 03:53:47,920
» a big headset ma

5596
03:53:47,920 --> 03:53:50,399
>> yeah ma you can I mean it's probably

5597
03:53:50,399 --> 03:53:51,600
more comfortable rather than put you at

5598
03:53:51,600 --> 03:53:54,239
the podium have you just sit at the open

5599
03:53:54,239 --> 03:53:56,399
chair um if you don't mind waiting a

5600
03:53:56,399 --> 03:53:58,560
moment I' let for the will come to me

5601
03:53:58,560 --> 03:54:00,319
here. So Jen just took a quick you can

5602
03:54:00,319 --> 03:54:03,199
sit down as you're comfortable

5603
03:54:03,199 --> 03:54:06,160
and then we will so it'll be three

5604
03:54:06,160 --> 03:54:07,439
questions and then you'll have an

5605
03:54:07,439 --> 03:54:10,800
opportunity at the end to do any type of

5606
03:54:10,800 --> 03:54:20,790
statement that you want as well.

5607
03:54:20,800 --> 03:54:22,560
Are we using the youth could we

5608
03:54:22,560 --> 03:54:26,070
technically be

5609
03:54:26,080 --> 03:54:28,160
» where we got in the meeting or

5610
03:54:28,160 --> 03:54:39,377
>> everyone else is stand

5611
03:54:39,387 --> 03:54:43,030
[laughter]

5612
03:54:43,040 --> 03:55:03,189
» Yeah.

5613
03:55:03,199 --> 03:55:04,960
Oh, it was this one that we added

5614
03:55:04,960 --> 03:55:08,080
though. I don't know.

5615
03:55:08,080 --> 03:55:09,840
>> Um,

5616
03:55:09,840 --> 03:55:13,760
okay. So, uh, take the time. everyone

5617
03:55:13,760 --> 03:55:16,239
that's sort of on the spot here, but um

5618
03:55:16,239 --> 03:55:17,840
I I've tried to pick three questions

5619
03:55:17,840 --> 03:55:19,520
that sort of cover different aspects of

5620
03:55:19,520 --> 03:55:21,840
council process. So the first question

5621
03:55:21,840 --> 03:55:24,399
is describe a time you had to make a

5622
03:55:24,399 --> 03:55:26,560
decision on the board committee or in

5623
03:55:26,560 --> 03:55:28,640
your professional life where your

5624
03:55:28,640 --> 03:55:30,560
personal interests or relationships

5625
03:55:30,560 --> 03:55:32,239
conflicted with what you believed was

5626
03:55:32,239 --> 03:55:34,640
the right outcome of the group. How did

5627
03:55:34,640 --> 03:55:36,479
you handle it? And what would you do if

5628
03:55:36,479 --> 03:55:38,160
that kind of conflict came up on this

5629
03:55:38,160 --> 03:55:40,640
council? May I please ask you to repeat

5630
03:55:40,640 --> 03:55:42,560
the question? Yes. Just to make sure I

5631
03:55:42,560 --> 03:55:44,560
get it for the day.

5632
03:55:44,560 --> 03:55:46,239
>> So, describe a time when you had to make

5633
03:55:46,239 --> 03:55:48,399
a decision on a board committee or in

5634
03:55:48,399 --> 03:55:51,120
your professional life where your

5635
03:55:51,120 --> 03:55:52,960
interests or relationships conflicted

5636
03:55:52,960 --> 03:55:54,319
with what you believed was the right

5637
03:55:54,319 --> 03:55:55,840
outcome. So, kind of a conflict of

5638
03:55:55,840 --> 03:55:58,640
interest type thing um with the right

5639
03:55:58,640 --> 03:56:00,479
income for the group. How'd you handle

5640
03:56:00,479 --> 03:56:02,560
it? And what would you do if that kind

5641
03:56:02,560 --> 03:56:05,520
of conflict came up on this council?

5642
03:56:05,520 --> 03:56:07,920
>> Okay, that's a great question. Um I know

5643
03:56:07,920 --> 03:56:10,399
we all um go through a lot of conflicts

5644
03:56:10,399 --> 03:56:13,279
you know whether it's a job or whatever

5645
03:56:13,279 --> 03:56:16,640
we do. So I have experienced that quite

5646
03:56:16,640 --> 03:56:18,080
a number of times but I'm going to

5647
03:56:18,080 --> 03:56:20,800
explain with an example. Um most

5648
03:56:20,800 --> 03:56:24,720
recently um what I experienced is you

5649
03:56:24,720 --> 03:56:26,560
know like we have we all all the time we

5650
03:56:26,560 --> 03:56:28,800
have discussions like whenever there is

5651
03:56:28,800 --> 03:56:32,000
a a topic of discussion that comes I

5652
03:56:32,000 --> 03:56:33,760
know you you you all had a discussion

5653
03:56:33,760 --> 03:56:35,040
just now and then you have to go back

5654
03:56:35,040 --> 03:56:38,239
around just similar to that we do run

5655
03:56:38,239 --> 03:56:41,120
into similar situations and as I'm a

5656
03:56:41,120 --> 03:56:42,880
supervisor I definitely want to give

5657
03:56:42,880 --> 03:56:45,520
opportunity for every that that's my

5658
03:56:45,520 --> 03:56:48,960
role currently with city of Seattle so I

5659
03:56:48,960 --> 03:56:52,239
definitely want allow each and every

5660
03:56:52,239 --> 03:56:55,040
member of my team to have the ability to

5661
03:56:55,040 --> 03:56:58,960
speak up and then I start to think about

5662
03:56:58,960 --> 03:57:01,520
okay whatever the options that come out

5663
03:57:01,520 --> 03:57:04,160
of that meeting what is the best one

5664
03:57:04,160 --> 03:57:07,199
which is going to be the best option for

5665
03:57:07,199 --> 03:57:09,520
city of Seattle not just in the best

5666
03:57:09,520 --> 03:57:12,000
interest of myself or the individual

5667
03:57:12,000 --> 03:57:15,279
themselves. So we do have um such

5668
03:57:15,279 --> 03:57:18,000
situations come up quite a few times and

5669
03:57:18,000 --> 03:57:21,359
we recently had a situation where um

5670
03:57:21,359 --> 03:57:23,279
there were two individuals we had whom

5671
03:57:23,279 --> 03:57:26,399
had conflict with each other but I had

5672
03:57:26,399 --> 03:57:28,880
to literally listen to both of them and

5673
03:57:28,880 --> 03:57:30,960
then I had to make a decision on hey we

5674
03:57:30,960 --> 03:57:32,720
just need to I just want you guys to

5675
03:57:32,720 --> 03:57:35,680
think through and see what it's what is

5676
03:57:35,680 --> 03:57:37,600
going to be the best option for city of

5677
03:57:37,600 --> 03:57:39,680
Seattle not and the business and the

5678
03:57:39,680 --> 03:57:41,760
people we support and it's not going to

5679
03:57:41,760 --> 03:57:44,880
be based on your individual ual needs,

5680
03:57:44,880 --> 03:57:47,439
right? Or what satisfies you. So

5681
03:57:47,439 --> 03:57:50,640
eventually we we came up with a group

5682
03:57:50,640 --> 03:57:52,800
discussion and then everyone decided

5683
03:57:52,800 --> 03:57:55,680
okay let's uh find out what are the best

5684
03:57:55,680 --> 03:57:58,800
options. So we wrote it down and then we

5685
03:57:58,800 --> 03:58:00,880
read it out loud so that everybody's

5686
03:58:00,880 --> 03:58:03,120
clear on how we going to one of it was

5687
03:58:03,120 --> 03:58:06,319
communication related and one of it was

5688
03:58:06,319 --> 03:58:09,120
um related to the decision making on you

5689
03:58:09,120 --> 03:58:11,920
know uh what kind of solution are we

5690
03:58:11,920 --> 03:58:15,520
going to think right so luckily both of

5691
03:58:15,520 --> 03:58:18,479
them agreed and you know like each one

5692
03:58:18,479 --> 03:58:21,680
had a specific uh you know option like

5693
03:58:21,680 --> 03:58:23,600
oh this is how I want the communication

5694
03:58:23,600 --> 03:58:26,239
to go and the other person agreed agreed

5695
03:58:26,239 --> 03:58:28,080
and that was the best option for us to

5696
03:58:28,080 --> 03:58:30,640
pick because uh it actually suited the

5697
03:58:30,640 --> 03:58:32,239
business needs and it will also add

5698
03:58:32,239 --> 03:58:34,479
value to the business and the people we

5699
03:58:34,479 --> 03:58:36,479
support. So we opted with that same as

5700
03:58:36,479 --> 03:58:38,640
the solution option also we had to pick

5701
03:58:38,640 --> 03:58:41,199
up the right solution. I'm sorry I'm

5702
03:58:41,199 --> 03:58:43,279
always turning the side. I do like

5703
03:58:43,279 --> 03:58:45,600
couple of them are there but I just uh

5704
03:58:45,600 --> 03:58:47,279
you know we ended up picking the right

5705
03:58:47,279 --> 03:58:49,760
solution and the right communication

5706
03:58:49,760 --> 03:58:52,080
plan uh which actually helped resolve

5707
03:58:52,080 --> 03:58:54,399
the problem the also the conflict of

5708
03:58:54,399 --> 03:58:56,000
interest.

5709
03:58:56,000 --> 03:58:56,640
>> Thank you.

5710
03:58:56,640 --> 03:58:57,600
>> Yeah.

5711
03:58:57,600 --> 03:59:00,640
>> Um second one we'll pivot a little bit.

5712
03:59:00,640 --> 03:59:03,359
Dubal like most small cities has to

5713
03:59:03,359 --> 03:59:06,000
balance infrastructure and service needs

5714
03:59:06,000 --> 03:59:08,479
uh growth pressure as we exhibited

5715
03:59:08,479 --> 03:59:11,760
tonight and uh uh and a limited budget.

5716
03:59:11,760 --> 03:59:14,000
Hypothetically and and this can be a

5717
03:59:14,000 --> 03:59:15,680
hypothetical so we won't hold you to

5718
03:59:15,680 --> 03:59:18,720
when it comes to budget setting time. Um

5719
03:59:18,720 --> 03:59:20,880
what's a tradeoff or compromise you'd be

5720
03:59:20,880 --> 03:59:22,720
willing to make? Something you'd

5721
03:59:22,720 --> 03:59:24,560
prioritize even if it meant delay or

5722
03:59:24,560 --> 03:59:26,399
cutting something else the residents

5723
03:59:26,399 --> 03:59:29,199
cared about and why? And then how would

5724
03:59:29,199 --> 03:59:30,640
you go about getting support from the

5725
03:59:30,640 --> 03:59:32,319
community for your decision?

5726
03:59:32,319 --> 03:59:34,319
>> That's another great question. I did

5727
03:59:34,319 --> 03:59:36,080
hear a lot of people with a lot of

5728
03:59:36,080 --> 03:59:37,760
concerns. I really appreciate all of

5729
03:59:37,760 --> 03:59:40,080
them coming here together. That shows

5730
03:59:40,080 --> 03:59:42,000
how much they love the city that we all

5731
03:59:42,000 --> 03:59:44,560
live in. So yes, it is definitely a

5732
03:59:44,560 --> 03:59:47,040
great city to be part of. Um I know it's

5733
03:59:47,040 --> 03:59:49,520
a small city. I know that that there is

5734
03:59:49,520 --> 03:59:51,600
not much infrastructure that we can

5735
03:59:51,600 --> 03:59:56,239
expand. um based on uh what I heard I do

5736
03:59:56,239 --> 03:59:57,680
understand like with the budget

5737
03:59:57,680 --> 03:59:59,600
constraints I also deal with the same in

5738
03:59:59,600 --> 04:00:03,680
my own job. So one of the things that uh

5739
04:00:03,680 --> 04:00:08,239
we are doing right now is to make sure

5740
04:00:08,239 --> 04:00:10,800
um you know identify all bullet point

5741
04:00:10,800 --> 04:00:14,000
all the list of things that's a priority

5742
04:00:14,000 --> 04:00:15,520
what's going to serve the community

5743
04:00:15,520 --> 04:00:18,640
better right and then come up with the

5744
04:00:18,640 --> 04:00:20,399
option I know we also have to look at

5745
04:00:20,399 --> 04:00:22,399
the budget constraints and what is it

5746
04:00:22,399 --> 04:00:25,760
that what is it what will be possible

5747
04:00:25,760 --> 04:00:30,319
within the budget to meet or you know uh

5748
04:00:30,319 --> 04:00:32,000
meet the list of things that we have in

5749
04:00:32,000 --> 04:00:37,040
play and then come up with a um you know

5750
04:00:37,040 --> 04:00:39,279
I know like um many of them might have

5751
04:00:39,279 --> 04:00:41,120
rooted for like no I want this I want

5752
04:00:41,120 --> 04:00:43,600
that I want the other but one of the

5753
04:00:43,600 --> 04:00:45,439
thing that I'm seeing right now is I

5754
04:00:45,439 --> 04:00:48,720
also heard uh during the meeting that we

5755
04:00:48,720 --> 04:00:50,560
don't have

5756
04:00:50,560 --> 04:00:51,840
you know like we don't have the

5757
04:00:51,840 --> 04:00:53,920
emergency services here like emergency

5758
04:00:53,920 --> 04:00:55,840
in the sense hospital that's what I

5759
04:00:55,840 --> 04:00:58,319
meant so

5760
04:00:58,319 --> 04:01:00,640
for me that's more important because our

5761
04:01:00,640 --> 04:01:02,239
community is growing and there are a lot

5762
04:01:02,239 --> 04:01:04,239
of people you know who are also in the

5763
04:01:04,239 --> 04:01:06,960
age where the critical you know need

5764
04:01:06,960 --> 04:01:10,399
will be rising more so if that is a

5765
04:01:10,399 --> 04:01:12,479
priority and that's on our list and if

5766
04:01:12,479 --> 04:01:15,040
we can do that I definitely see how to

5767
04:01:15,040 --> 04:01:17,840
make that happen but based on the budget

5768
04:01:17,840 --> 04:01:19,680
constraints if that's not going to be

5769
04:01:19,680 --> 04:01:22,399
possible at least you know jot down

5770
04:01:22,399 --> 04:01:25,120
everything list by list and then come up

5771
04:01:25,120 --> 04:01:29,439
with a plan and sometimes yes we may not

5772
04:01:29,439 --> 04:01:31,680
be able to satis is for everyone but I

5773
04:01:31,680 --> 04:01:34,080
would definitely lean forward towards

5774
04:01:34,080 --> 04:01:36,720
what is the most uh you know thing that

5775
04:01:36,720 --> 04:01:40,319
is achievable within the budget and also

5776
04:01:40,319 --> 04:01:43,359
it adds more value to the people of the

5777
04:01:43,359 --> 04:01:47,120
safety wall. So um that's what I would

5778
04:01:47,120 --> 04:01:49,279
you know see how we can make it happen

5779
04:01:49,279 --> 04:01:51,040
and then we can definitely think of the

5780
04:01:51,040 --> 04:01:53,600
other options down the line doesn't mean

5781
04:01:53,600 --> 04:01:56,319
that you know we are not able to do this

5782
04:01:56,319 --> 04:01:58,399
year doesn't mean that we can think

5783
04:01:58,399 --> 04:02:01,840
about it next year that's how I see it

5784
04:02:01,840 --> 04:02:06,160
>> and then on the just to refresh on the second part is how would you go

5785
04:02:06,160 --> 04:02:07,840
about getting support from the community

5786
04:02:07,840 --> 04:02:09,359
for your decision just to make sure you

5787
04:02:09,359 --> 04:02:10,720
have an opportunity to respond to that

5788
04:02:10,720 --> 04:02:11,760
one as well.

5789
04:02:11,760 --> 04:02:13,760
>> That's another great question. One of

5790
04:02:13,760 --> 04:02:15,520
the thing is I know you guys do a lot of

5791
04:02:15,520 --> 04:02:17,920
workshops. I know uh there are a lot of

5792
04:02:17,920 --> 04:02:19,439
opportunities where you are also

5793
04:02:19,439 --> 04:02:22,080
advertising. I also like to reach out to

5794
04:02:22,080 --> 04:02:24,640
people you know that's one of my passion

5795
04:02:24,640 --> 04:02:27,040
you know I like to go meet people uh in

5796
04:02:27,040 --> 04:02:30,239
person uh if that is allowed you know I

5797
04:02:30,239 --> 04:02:32,720
would definitely love to do that um you

5798
04:02:32,720 --> 04:02:34,960
know whatever possible way because I

5799
04:02:34,960 --> 04:02:37,840
myself I can tell like I'm not like a

5800
04:02:37,840 --> 04:02:40,479
media person you know like going under

5801
04:02:40,479 --> 04:02:43,359
the media every now and then. So I like

5802
04:02:43,359 --> 04:02:47,600
to meet people and see how we can even

5803
04:02:47,600 --> 04:02:51,439
passing on uh flyers you know and going

5804
04:02:51,439 --> 04:02:54,640
and uh getting people to understand hey

5805
04:02:54,640 --> 04:02:56,160
here's something that's happening would

5806
04:02:56,160 --> 04:02:58,080
you be interested you know like

5807
04:02:58,080 --> 04:03:01,120
understanding if their willingness you

5808
04:03:01,120 --> 04:03:03,520
know and what they want those are the

5809
04:03:03,520 --> 04:03:07,359
things that can uh help you know build a

5810
04:03:07,359 --> 04:03:08,880
stronger community I already see that

5811
04:03:08,880 --> 04:03:11,920
happen here so um I would like to do

5812
04:03:11,920 --> 04:03:14,239
that an option.

5813
04:03:14,239 --> 04:03:17,359
>> Um and then the third one um is more

5814
04:03:17,359 --> 04:03:18,960
really around sort of the the way

5815
04:03:18,960 --> 04:03:20,880
council works. It's council decisions

5816
04:03:20,880 --> 04:03:22,880
often require you to vote alongside

5817
04:03:22,880 --> 04:03:25,680
colleagues colleagues with whom your

5818
04:03:25,680 --> 04:03:28,160
views don't fully align.

5819
04:03:28,160 --> 04:03:31,359
I saw some of that seat. Uh um tell us

5820
04:03:31,359 --> 04:03:32,640
about a time you had to work

5821
04:03:32,640 --> 04:03:34,560
productively with someone whose approach

5822
04:03:34,560 --> 04:03:37,439
or values differed from yours and what

5823
04:03:37,439 --> 04:03:39,439
you learned about building consensus

5824
04:03:39,439 --> 04:03:42,720
without abandoning your own position.

5825
04:03:42,720 --> 04:03:45,439
>> I liked how the discussion went on today

5826
04:03:45,439 --> 04:03:47,760
uh you know regarding one of the the

5827
04:03:47,760 --> 04:03:50,560
oing especially with the signs. Um I

5828
04:03:50,560 --> 04:03:52,720
actually thought like hm maybe I didn't

5829
04:03:52,720 --> 04:03:54,479
think through you know a web planning

5830
04:03:54,479 --> 04:03:57,040
functioner like right like that's one of

5831
04:03:57,040 --> 04:03:58,640
the thing that came to my mind maybe I

5832
04:03:58,640 --> 04:04:01,040
didn't think through that option of

5833
04:04:01,040 --> 04:04:03,120
maybe it doesn't hurt to have the five

5834
04:04:03,120 --> 04:04:05,760
side than the four side uh that's one of

5835
04:04:05,760 --> 04:04:07,760
the thing that came to my mind as I was

5836
04:04:07,760 --> 04:04:11,199
listening uh um

5837
04:04:11,199 --> 04:04:15,680
uh do you want another example of uh a

5838
04:04:15,680 --> 04:04:17,279
situation where I would have made a

5839
04:04:17,279 --> 04:04:19,840
decision and then All right.

5840
04:04:19,840 --> 04:04:21,439
>> Yeah. I mean, I think it's really the

5841
04:04:21,439 --> 04:04:23,760
intent of this question is more like um

5842
04:04:23,760 --> 04:04:25,439
if you're how do you go about building

5843
04:04:25,439 --> 04:04:27,359
consensus within a group? Uh it really

5844
04:04:27,359 --> 04:04:29,199
is sort of the core nail of that and

5845
04:04:29,199 --> 04:04:31,199
then you know if you don't come out on

5846
04:04:31,199 --> 04:04:33,359
the winning side of the vote um how do

5847
04:04:33,359 --> 04:04:37,040
you continue to work effectively with capital because it is a it is a

5848
04:04:37,040 --> 04:04:39,520
representative form of government.

5849
04:04:39,520 --> 04:04:42,000
>> Um yeah um that always happens with the

5850
04:04:42,000 --> 04:04:44,399
software development actually u you know

5851
04:04:44,399 --> 04:04:46,560
because I come from the software

5852
04:04:46,560 --> 04:04:49,199
development background. So I literally

5853
04:04:49,199 --> 04:04:52,080
like to understand the needs more than

5854
04:04:52,080 --> 04:04:53,840
you know I know I whatever solution

5855
04:04:53,840 --> 04:04:55,359
because we always come up with like four

5856
04:04:55,359 --> 04:04:58,239
or five solutions and we pick the most

5857
04:04:58,239 --> 04:05:00,640
uh useful one and you know most least

5858
04:05:00,640 --> 04:05:04,720
expensive one and what's more um uh

5859
04:05:04,720 --> 04:05:06,720
useful for the business you know in

5860
04:05:06,720 --> 04:05:09,439
reliability ease of maintenance and all

5861
04:05:09,439 --> 04:05:11,600
that sometimes I may pick the wrong one

5862
04:05:11,600 --> 04:05:14,960
but I still had to uh go with the the

5863
04:05:14,960 --> 04:05:17,920
team as to what everyone is deciding

5864
04:05:17,920 --> 04:05:20,560
and wanted to choose what is the right

5865
04:05:20,560 --> 04:05:22,800
thing to do. It may not be the one that

5866
04:05:22,800 --> 04:05:25,600
I chose. So I have come uh you know

5867
04:05:25,600 --> 04:05:27,760
there are several situations like that

5868
04:05:27,760 --> 04:05:30,080
and same thing even with budgeting.

5869
04:05:30,080 --> 04:05:31,920
you know I may say something

5870
04:05:31,920 --> 04:05:34,720
and I'm like no that it didn't work. So

5871
04:05:34,720 --> 04:05:36,479
I had to literally listen to other

5872
04:05:36,479 --> 04:05:39,439
opinions you know within the uh within

5873
04:05:39,439 --> 04:05:41,120
because we have like quite a few at

5874
04:05:41,120 --> 04:05:45,359
least three managers. We are three of us we work together. So we I

5875
04:05:45,359 --> 04:05:47,199
had to literally listen to all of them

5876
04:05:47,199 --> 04:05:49,760
and then come up with what is the most

5877
04:05:49,760 --> 04:05:52,640
uh optimal solution rather than just my

5878
04:05:52,640 --> 04:05:55,439
opinion. So yeah,

5879
04:05:55,439 --> 04:05:57,920
>> thank you. Um and then is there anything

5880
04:05:57,920 --> 04:05:59,279
else you'd like to say about yourself

5881
04:05:59,279 --> 04:06:01,040
that you feel is important for us to

5882
04:06:01,040 --> 04:06:03,040
consider before we conclude your

5883
04:06:03,040 --> 04:06:05,120
interview? Um you have two minutes. I

5884
04:06:05,120 --> 04:06:06,319
know you don't have the two minutes up

5885
04:06:06,319 --> 04:06:08,800
here, but you can sort of keep track of

5886
04:06:08,800 --> 04:06:10,560
that

5887
04:06:10,560 --> 04:06:11,199
statement.

5888
04:06:11,199 --> 04:06:13,359
>> Um sure. I definitely want to thank each

5889
04:06:13,359 --> 04:06:15,279
and every one of you uh for being

5890
04:06:15,279 --> 04:06:18,000
present here and listening to me and

5891
04:06:18,000 --> 04:06:20,160
also listening to all the people and

5892
04:06:20,160 --> 04:06:22,239
doing the best you know possible things

5893
04:06:22,239 --> 04:06:24,720
for our city of Dwal and the people who

5894
04:06:24,720 --> 04:06:27,680
live here and I want to say thank you uh

5895
04:06:27,680 --> 04:06:30,399
and also I definitely will add more

5896
04:06:30,399 --> 04:06:33,600
value um as I come from I know I'm

5897
04:06:33,600 --> 04:06:35,439
different ethnicity but also I have a

5898
04:06:35,439 --> 04:06:37,199
lot of experience with lot of different

5899
04:06:37,199 --> 04:06:40,960
areas uh that I bring in to the council

5900
04:06:40,960 --> 04:06:42,479
from budgeting

5901
04:06:42,479 --> 04:06:47,279
Um, and I I think I also do a lot of uh

5902
04:06:47,279 --> 04:06:49,359
negotiations. I've done quite a bit of

5903
04:06:49,359 --> 04:06:52,479
those. Um, and I also value, you know,

5904
04:06:52,479 --> 04:06:54,560
like I work in the community. So, I

5905
04:06:54,560 --> 04:06:56,479
wanted to learn more and I wanted to be

5906
04:06:56,479 --> 04:06:58,800
able to serve the community. So, that's

5907
04:06:58,800 --> 04:07:01,680
the passion that I have. So, I think

5908
04:07:01,680 --> 04:07:04,080
that I don't know if I'm up uh but I

5909
04:07:04,080 --> 04:07:06,000
just wanted to

5910
04:07:06,000 --> 04:07:08,800
>> um yeah, say thank you and end here.

5911
04:07:08,800 --> 04:07:09,840
>> Well, thank you.

5912
04:07:09,840 --> 04:07:12,479
>> All right. And you can actually stay up

5913
04:07:12,479 --> 04:07:14,560
here since you you know the questions

5914
04:07:14,560 --> 04:07:19,439
now. So if you want to

5915
04:07:19,439 --> 04:07:20,720
thank you again.

5916
04:07:20,720 --> 04:07:24,630
>> Oh

5917
04:07:24,640 --> 04:07:27,120
no.

5918
04:07:27,120 --> 04:07:29,439
>> I think we need a little downstairs.

5919
04:07:29,439 --> 04:07:31,840
That would be really fun.

5920
04:07:31,840 --> 04:07:35,040
Do we have to

5921
04:07:35,040 --> 04:07:37,040
actually work because these are all like

5922
04:07:37,040 --> 04:07:42,950
city hall too.

5923
04:07:42,960 --> 04:07:46,950
Jennifer,

5924
04:07:46,960 --> 04:07:48,800
» I think they let her know she can stay

5925
04:07:48,800 --> 04:07:51,040
up here if she wanted. Is that okay?

5926
04:07:51,040 --> 04:07:52,640
>> You can be in the podium or you can sit

5927
04:07:52,640 --> 04:08:03,189
at the table. Probably more comfortable.

5928
04:08:03,199 --> 04:08:05,920
» Hopefully it wasn't too cold down there.

5929
04:08:05,920 --> 04:08:11,750
Okay.

5930
04:08:11,760 --> 04:08:13,439
» All right. So, um there will be three

5931
04:08:13,439 --> 04:08:14,479
questions and then you'll have an

5932
04:08:14,479 --> 04:08:16,000
opportunity to do a closing statement as

5933
04:08:16,000 --> 04:08:18,479
well. Um so the first question is

5934
04:08:18,479 --> 04:08:20,479
describe a time when you had to make a

5935
04:08:20,479 --> 04:08:22,239
decision on the board committee or in

5936
04:08:22,239 --> 04:08:24,479
your professional life where your

5937
04:08:24,479 --> 04:08:26,160
personal interests or relationships

5938
04:08:26,160 --> 04:08:27,920
conflicted with what you believed was

5939
04:08:27,920 --> 04:08:29,439
the right outcome of the group. So

5940
04:08:29,439 --> 04:08:33,760
basically a conflict of interest type scenario. How did you handle it and

5941
04:08:33,760 --> 04:08:35,120
what would you do if that kind of

5942
04:08:35,120 --> 04:08:38,640
conflict came up on this council?

5943
04:08:38,640 --> 04:08:40,880
>> Trying to think. My first implement

5944
04:08:40,880 --> 04:08:43,040
would be probably when I was on the

5945
04:08:43,040 --> 04:08:45,359
decision-making team at my school

5946
04:08:45,359 --> 04:08:47,840
because we're elected and I represented

5947
04:08:47,840 --> 04:08:50,720
fifth and fourth grade and sometimes the

5948
04:08:50,720 --> 04:08:52,880
intermediate grades are not always

5949
04:08:52,880 --> 04:08:55,040
getting the

5950
04:08:55,040 --> 04:08:57,120
brunt of the attention but because you

5951
04:08:57,120 --> 04:08:59,920
know foundational literacy important.

5952
04:08:59,920 --> 04:09:03,520
Um, and sometimes we would bring like

5953
04:09:03,520 --> 04:09:06,319
actually I could think of my brain is

5954
04:09:06,319 --> 04:09:09,279
absolutely frightening.

5955
04:09:09,279 --> 04:09:14,469
I should have

5956
04:09:14,479 --> 04:09:15,920
I don't usually have too much of a

5957
04:09:15,920 --> 04:09:19,120
conflict opinion usually because with

5958
04:09:19,120 --> 04:09:21,600
the teams we've had

5959
04:09:21,600 --> 04:09:23,040
we never usually have to hash anything

5960
04:09:23,040 --> 04:09:24,319
out. I'm trying to figure out a time

5961
04:09:24,319 --> 04:09:26,880
when we did have to freshman get

5962
04:09:26,880 --> 04:09:28,800
something.

5963
04:09:28,800 --> 04:09:31,760
It's a really tiny

5964
04:09:31,760 --> 04:09:33,920
we have computer. No, my brain is not

5965
04:09:33,920 --> 04:09:36,239
having blue.

5966
04:09:36,239 --> 04:09:37,439
>> Okay.

5967
04:09:37,439 --> 04:09:39,520
>> No, I guess I absolutely I we have

5968
04:09:39,520 --> 04:09:43,189
nothing.

5969
04:09:43,199 --> 04:09:46,160
» Um that's fine. I can I'll move on to

5970
04:09:46,160 --> 04:09:49,359
the the next question. Um Duvall like

5971
04:09:49,359 --> 04:09:51,120
most small cities has to balance

5972
04:09:51,120 --> 04:09:53,680
infrastructure and service needs, growth

5973
04:09:53,680 --> 04:09:57,040
pressure, and a limited budget. um

5974
04:09:57,040 --> 04:09:58,720
hypothetically

5975
04:09:58,720 --> 04:10:01,760
and and again won't hold you to this uh

5976
04:10:01,760 --> 04:10:04,800
if we get to budget setting um what's a

5977
04:10:04,800 --> 04:10:06,880
trade-off or compromise you'd be billing

5978
04:10:06,880 --> 04:10:09,120
be willing to make something you'd

5979
04:10:09,120 --> 04:10:11,840
prioritize um even if it meant delaying

5980
04:10:11,840 --> 04:10:13,520
or cutting something else residents care

5981
04:10:13,520 --> 04:10:15,359
about. So in terms of you know we we

5982
04:10:15,359 --> 04:10:17,199
balance those those things in terms of

5983
04:10:17,199 --> 04:10:19,760
what we could do on a given given budget

5984
04:10:19,760 --> 04:10:21,120
cycle how would you go about getting

5985
04:10:21,120 --> 04:10:22,479
support for the community for your

5986
04:10:22,479 --> 04:10:25,199
decision? So kind of what potentially

5987
04:10:25,199 --> 04:10:28,640
would you um prioritize and then how

5988
04:10:28,640 --> 04:10:30,640
would you go about you know determining

5989
04:10:30,640 --> 04:10:32,000
what to prioritize and then how would

5990
04:10:32,000 --> 04:10:34,080
you communicate that decision out to the

5991
04:10:34,080 --> 04:10:43,670
community once it was made?

5992
04:10:43,680 --> 04:10:45,120
Will you ask one more time just because

5993
04:10:45,120 --> 04:10:46,800
>> Oh, sure. No, I'm happy to reate the

5994
04:10:46,800 --> 04:10:48,960
question. Um, Dubal, like most small

5995
04:10:48,960 --> 04:10:51,760
cities, has to balance infrastructure

5996
04:10:51,760 --> 04:10:54,000
and service needs. So, what we deliver

5997
04:10:54,000 --> 04:10:56,560
to the community, growth pressure, and a

5998
04:10:56,560 --> 04:10:58,399
limited budget.

5999
04:10:58,399 --> 04:11:00,160
Hypothetically, what's a trade-off or

6000
04:11:00,160 --> 04:11:02,479
compromise? You'd be willing to make

6001
04:11:02,479 --> 04:11:04,239
something you'd prioritize even if it

6002
04:11:04,239 --> 04:11:05,840
meant delaying or cutting something else

6003
04:11:05,840 --> 04:11:08,880
residents care about. Um, basically

6004
04:11:08,880 --> 04:11:10,160
couldn't do everything. Kind of what

6005
04:11:10,160 --> 04:11:12,720
would you do and why? Uh, and how would

6006
04:11:12,720 --> 04:11:14,160
you go about getting support for the

6007
04:11:14,160 --> 04:11:17,840
community for your decision?

6008
04:11:17,840 --> 04:11:20,000
>> I think going back to kind of this

6009
04:11:20,000 --> 04:11:21,760
evening's meeting when so many of the

6010
04:11:21,760 --> 04:11:23,279
community members came in for about like

6011
04:11:23,279 --> 04:11:25,520
zoning and like thinking about affecting

6012
04:11:25,520 --> 04:11:29,040
Oldtown. Um, one thing that I think

6013
04:11:29,040 --> 04:11:31,760
would be I really believe in that I

6014
04:11:31,760 --> 04:11:33,760
would love to even get more support for

6015
04:11:33,760 --> 04:11:36,800
is just bringing more not necessarily

6016
04:11:36,800 --> 04:11:40,080
like housing but just more of that job

6017
04:11:40,080 --> 04:11:42,720
opportunity the growth because a lot of

6018
04:11:42,720 --> 04:11:44,800
like when we becomes a flood and we

6019
04:11:44,800 --> 04:11:46,560
become an island like you were

6020
04:11:46,560 --> 04:11:49,279
mentioning it's the teenagers who are

6021
04:11:49,279 --> 04:11:50,720
kind of working because those are the

6022
04:11:50,720 --> 04:11:52,880
only people who can afford those wages

6023
04:11:52,880 --> 04:11:55,359
for the limited opportunities and then

6024
04:11:55,359 --> 04:11:56,720
trying to figure out ways I would love

6025
04:11:56,720 --> 04:11:58,239
to support being able to figure out how

6026
04:11:58,239 --> 04:12:00,000
we could get be more attractive in

6027
04:12:00,000 --> 04:12:03,520
Duvall to more businesses to attract not

6028
04:12:03,520 --> 04:12:05,199
just teenagers but people like who would

6029
04:12:05,199 --> 04:12:07,199
want to be able to stay in the community

6030
04:12:07,199 --> 04:12:09,279
be able to not have to leave so we could

6031
04:12:09,279 --> 04:12:11,760
just have those opportunities with more

6032
04:12:11,760 --> 04:12:14,000
activities people making more livable

6033
04:12:14,000 --> 04:12:17,680
wages and I imagine that would probably

6034
04:12:17,680 --> 04:12:19,760
get a lot of community support but then

6035
04:12:19,760 --> 04:12:21,439
just figuring out how to like network

6036
04:12:21,439 --> 04:12:23,359
and go around everywhere asking for

6037
04:12:23,359 --> 04:12:25,920
support and ideas and figuring out how

6038
04:12:25,920 --> 04:12:27,920
we could appeal to different county or

6039
04:12:27,920 --> 04:12:33,510
whatever to just make it attractive.

6040
04:12:33,520 --> 04:12:37,199
» And thank you. And the the third um is

6041
04:12:37,199 --> 04:12:39,680
sort of a a little bit of a pivot. Um

6042
04:12:39,680 --> 04:12:41,520
council decisions often require you to

6043
04:12:41,520 --> 04:12:44,319
vote alongside colleagues with whom your

6044
04:12:44,319 --> 04:12:47,439
views don't fully align. Um, tell us

6045
04:12:47,439 --> 04:12:48,560
about a time you had to work

6046
04:12:48,560 --> 04:12:50,319
productively with someone whose approach

6047
04:12:50,319 --> 04:12:53,120
or values differed from yours and what

6048
04:12:53,120 --> 04:12:54,960
you learned about building consensus

6049
04:12:54,960 --> 04:12:58,880
without abandoning your own position.

6050
04:12:58,880 --> 04:13:00,880
>> Again, for my pro. Yeah. One more.

6051
04:13:00,880 --> 04:13:02,800
>> Yeah. Council decisions often require

6052
04:13:02,800 --> 04:13:04,479
you to vote alongside colleagues with

6053
04:13:04,479 --> 04:13:06,880
whom your views don't formulate

6054
04:13:06,880 --> 04:13:09,760
>> or different perspectives. Um, tell us

6055
04:13:09,760 --> 04:13:11,359
about a time you had to work

6056
04:13:11,359 --> 04:13:13,439
productively with someone whose approach

6057
04:13:13,439 --> 04:13:16,319
or values differed from yours and what

6058
04:13:16,319 --> 04:13:17,920
you learned about building consensus

6059
04:13:17,920 --> 04:13:20,080
without abandoning your own position or

6060
04:13:20,080 --> 04:13:22,880
your own point of view.

6061
04:13:22,880 --> 04:13:25,359
>> Well, again, I'm I'm a teacher and so we

6062
04:13:25,359 --> 04:13:27,120
often have to we get to work in our

6063
04:13:27,120 --> 04:13:30,000
teams and

6064
04:13:30,000 --> 04:13:33,199
sometimes what we or we have to reach on

6065
04:13:33,199 --> 04:13:36,960
the common goal. But if like I love

6066
04:13:36,960 --> 04:13:38,560
science and then my colleague doesn't

6067
04:13:38,560 --> 04:13:40,319
really love science. So sometimes I have

6068
04:13:40,319 --> 04:13:42,960
to figure out how to

6069
04:13:42,960 --> 04:13:44,640
like first of all read the grade level

6070
04:13:44,640 --> 04:13:47,600
the state standards but then sometimes

6071
04:13:47,600 --> 04:13:50,000
actually having to explain what the

6072
04:13:50,000 --> 04:13:51,840
actual relevance and importance because

6073
04:13:51,840 --> 04:13:53,120
I've had work with colleagues who are

6074
04:13:53,120 --> 04:13:54,399
like well science isn't important we

6075
04:13:54,399 --> 04:13:56,080
need to get just you know the bring the

6076
04:13:56,080 --> 04:13:57,680
English the reading and the writing and

6077
04:13:57,680 --> 04:13:59,920
that's all we need and the math like

6078
04:13:59,920 --> 04:14:01,840
well we need those. However, the things

6079
04:14:01,840 --> 04:14:04,159
that tend to keep people in school and

6080
04:14:04,159 --> 04:14:05,840
enjoying the school are the social

6081
04:14:05,840 --> 04:14:07,520
studies, the science, the music, the

6082
04:14:07,520 --> 04:14:09,680
arts, the acting. So then just trying to

6083
04:14:09,680 --> 04:14:11,520
help explain and trying to help them

6084
04:14:11,520 --> 04:14:13,279
understand more of a of my perspective

6085
04:14:13,279 --> 04:14:14,880
as I see it and trying to help

6086
04:14:14,880 --> 04:14:17,680
understand what perspective they're

6087
04:14:17,680 --> 04:14:18,960
coming from and trying to figure out a

6088
04:14:18,960 --> 04:14:21,840
way I can try to find a connection or

6089
04:14:21,840 --> 04:14:23,600
find that open door so I can try to meet

6090
04:14:23,600 --> 04:14:24,720
them somewhere and say, "Oh, well, how

6091
04:14:24,720 --> 04:14:26,239
about we could try like maybe this this

6092
04:14:26,239 --> 04:14:28,960
is why we could incorporate what you're

6093
04:14:28,960 --> 04:14:33,120
thinking of into more in the social studies in the math into

6094
04:14:33,120 --> 04:14:35,600
the social math into the science and

6095
04:14:35,600 --> 04:14:37,279
then just trying to figure out how we

6096
04:14:37,279 --> 04:14:39,840
can try to actually reach that

6097
04:14:39,840 --> 04:14:42,479
cooperation even though they may not see

6098
04:14:42,479 --> 04:14:43,920
the importance of social studies or

6099
04:14:43,920 --> 04:14:49,990
science and I do call it foundation.

6100
04:14:50,000 --> 04:14:52,159
» Thank you.

6101
04:14:52,159 --> 04:14:54,720
>> Uh so the last one is is there anything

6102
04:14:54,720 --> 04:14:56,159
else you'd like to say about yourself

6103
04:14:56,159 --> 04:14:57,840
that you feel is important for us to

6104
04:14:57,840 --> 04:14:59,279
consider before we conclude your

6105
04:14:59,279 --> 04:15:01,120
interview? um you have two minutes to

6106
04:15:01,120 --> 04:15:02,960
give a closing closing statement. So

6107
04:15:02,960 --> 04:15:04,399
that can be something we didn't touch on

6108
04:15:04,399 --> 04:15:08,159
here or a different topic or or just um

6109
04:15:08,159 --> 04:15:11,760
again anything that you want to state in

6110
04:15:11,760 --> 04:15:13,760
the two minutes. Oh, well, something

6111
04:15:13,760 --> 04:15:16,800
that was nice and easily observable is I

6112
04:15:16,800 --> 04:15:20,159
tend to my mind will sometimes blank and

6113
04:15:20,159 --> 04:15:21,840
then I'll have like the processing time

6114
04:15:21,840 --> 04:15:23,600
a little bit later and then find like,

6115
04:15:23,600 --> 04:15:25,680
oh my gosh, this was my perfect thing.

6116
04:15:25,680 --> 04:15:28,960
But of course, time is like and so

6117
04:15:28,960 --> 04:15:31,199
sometimes my processing time does not

6118
04:15:31,199 --> 04:15:33,760
match whatever I actually sometimes

6119
04:15:33,760 --> 04:15:37,600
need. But that's the joy of ADHD. Um,

6120
04:15:37,600 --> 04:15:39,680
but then I really am in general a very

6121
04:15:39,680 --> 04:15:42,239
thoughtful person and I like with city

6122
04:15:42,239 --> 04:15:44,000
council and planning commission and all

6123
04:15:44,000 --> 04:15:46,239
the other things. I really do love

6124
04:15:46,239 --> 04:15:47,840
learning the different like the laws,

6125
04:15:47,840 --> 04:15:50,080
the coding, listening to how somebody

6126
04:15:50,080 --> 04:15:51,520
else might see something that I totally

6127
04:15:51,520 --> 04:15:52,960
never noticed. It's like, oh my gosh,

6128
04:15:52,960 --> 04:15:54,880
that makes so much sense. And then

6129
04:15:54,880 --> 04:15:57,920
getting that fuller picture. So, one

6130
04:15:57,920 --> 04:15:59,680
thing I really do love is just getting

6131
04:15:59,680 --> 04:16:01,840
to have them, the conversations, the

6132
04:16:01,840 --> 04:16:04,479
learning, the community, and the

6133
04:16:04,479 --> 04:16:05,680
opportunity to keep learning and

6134
04:16:05,680 --> 04:16:07,760
growing. Even though sometimes my timing

6135
04:16:07,760 --> 04:16:10,560
can be very very bad,

6136
04:16:10,560 --> 04:16:13,680
but I'm excited with whoever you guys go

6137
04:16:13,680 --> 04:16:17,611
with because all was awesome too.

6138
04:16:17,611 --> 04:16:18,159
[clears throat]

6139
04:16:18,159 --> 04:16:21,760
>> Appreciate it. Thank you very much. Um,

6140
04:16:21,760 --> 04:16:24,720
you've got couple. So, John, I think the

6141
04:16:24,720 --> 04:16:27,040
next portion of this is you have some

6142
04:16:27,040 --> 04:16:29,680
ballots that pass around and

6143
04:16:29,680 --> 04:16:31,439
>> so I think if you wanted you could

6144
04:16:31,439 --> 04:17:02,550
return to your seat.

6145
04:17:02,560 --> 04:17:04,239
And I think I touched on this in the

6146
04:17:04,239 --> 04:17:06,319
intro, but just so that folks in the

6147
04:17:06,319 --> 04:17:08,000
room have some some visibility, we have

6148
04:17:08,000 --> 04:17:10,720
two votes to distribute amongst the two

6149
04:17:10,720 --> 04:17:13,359
candidates. Um, you can either place all

6150
04:17:13,359 --> 04:17:14,800
of your votes under one candidate,

6151
04:17:14,800 --> 04:17:17,760
distribute them amongst candidates. Um,

6152
04:17:17,760 --> 04:17:19,840
after you vote, uh, I think we all have

6153
04:17:19,840 --> 04:17:25,120
individual their title. We'll pass them around to the city clerk who

6154
04:17:25,120 --> 04:17:28,479
will copy the results and move on from

6155
04:17:28,479 --> 04:17:30,319
there.

6156
04:17:30,319 --> 04:17:32,479
>> Mayor Pam, if I can remind the uh

6157
04:17:32,479 --> 04:17:34,960
council members attending remotely to

6158
04:17:34,960 --> 04:17:37,199
email their ballots as soon as they're

6159
04:17:37,199 --> 04:17:40,239
done, please

6160
04:17:40,239 --> 04:17:41,920
>> heard that. Council member Wiggins and

6161
04:17:41,920 --> 04:17:47,750
Council Member Owen. All right.

6162
04:17:47,760 --> 04:17:51,600
He's in Chicago.

6163
04:17:51,600 --> 04:18:01,590
>> He's like, "Yes, I can hear you."

6164
04:18:01,600 --> 04:18:17,189
be on fifth and

6165
04:18:17,199 --> 04:18:24,469
» yeah

6166
04:18:24,479 --> 04:19:13,990
they

6167
04:19:14,000 --> 04:19:26,710
two

6168
04:19:26,720 --> 04:19:35,990
time.

6169
04:19:36,000 --> 04:20:08,870
I'm just waiting for one more

6170
04:20:08,880 --> 04:20:14,469
Waiting for one.

6171
04:20:14,479 --> 04:20:16,720
» Did they send it either or?

6172
04:20:16,720 --> 04:20:18,319
>> Council member Wiggins did.

6173
04:20:18,319 --> 04:20:24,469
>> Got it.

6174
04:20:24,479 --> 04:20:26,880
» Mine is sent. It's just, you know,

6175
04:20:26,880 --> 04:20:29,790
traveling long distance.

6176
04:20:29,790 --> 04:20:46,229
[laughter]

6177
04:20:46,239 --> 04:20:52,950
Yeah, it was pretty important back then.

6178
04:20:52,960 --> 04:20:56,319
» Reminiscing of how it was brutal. You

6179
04:20:56,319 --> 04:20:59,439
had to like verbally say and it was like

6180
04:20:59,439 --> 04:21:00,960
>> if you could do that across

6181
04:21:00,960 --> 04:21:16,070
>> Yeah. I mean public record but you know

6182
04:21:16,080 --> 04:21:16,640
Yeah.

6183
04:21:16,640 --> 04:21:18,000
>> Hit me in the head and get stuck in my

6184
04:21:18,000 --> 04:21:23,030
hair.

6185
04:21:23,040 --> 04:21:24,880
» Not as bad as that huge jumping spider

6186
04:21:24,880 --> 04:21:32,870
we have in here.

6187
04:21:32,880 --> 04:21:38,469
» I don't know.

6188
04:21:38,479 --> 04:21:44,309
must be getting

6189
04:21:44,319 --> 04:21:45,359
screenshots.

6190
04:21:45,359 --> 04:21:46,080
>> Oh, yeah.

6191
04:21:46,080 --> 04:21:48,000
>> Yeah, that's what

6192
04:21:48,000 --> 04:21:51,040
>> Oh, never mind.

6193
04:21:51,040 --> 04:21:58,149
>> You said something that

6194
04:21:58,159 --> 04:22:00,080
» I apologize for my cough, by the way.

6195
04:22:00,080 --> 04:22:02,560
I'm not sick. It's residue from the

6196
04:22:02,560 --> 04:22:03,359
smoke from the

6197
04:22:03,359 --> 04:22:04,319
>> I thought you should have said your

6198
04:22:04,319 --> 04:22:05,760
coffee and I'm like I don't care if you

6199
04:22:05,760 --> 04:22:09,750
drink.

6200
04:22:09,760 --> 04:22:17,269
I don't know.

6201
04:22:17,279 --> 04:22:19,680
» So I was like no judgment. [laughter]

6202
04:22:19,680 --> 04:22:20,720
>> I can too.

6203
04:22:20,720 --> 04:22:23,439
>> Yeah.

6204
04:22:23,439 --> 04:22:29,670
>> All day and right before I go to bed.

6205
04:22:29,680 --> 04:22:31,600
That's what made me realize that maybe

6206
04:22:31,600 --> 04:22:32,319
you know

6207
04:22:32,319 --> 04:22:40,781
>> there are reasons [laughter]

6208
04:22:40,791 --> 04:22:41,680
[clears throat]

6209
04:22:41,680 --> 04:22:44,800
>> for Kunamala three votes for Sarah

6210
04:22:44,800 --> 04:22:46,960
Taylor seven votes.

6211
04:22:46,960 --> 04:22:47,920
>> Okay.

6212
04:22:47,920 --> 04:22:51,359
>> And like we have in you council member

6213
04:22:51,359 --> 04:22:53,279
congratulates.

6214
04:22:53,279 --> 04:22:54,960
>> Congrats and thanks to everyone who

6215
04:22:54,960 --> 04:22:58,640
applied for that position. Um I So next

6216
04:22:58,640 --> 04:23:01,760
up then would be swearing in U Sarah

6217
04:23:01,760 --> 04:23:04,080
Taylor for council opening for position

6218
04:23:04,080 --> 04:23:08,229
recruit.

6219
04:23:08,239 --> 04:23:10,880
» Oh yes.

6220
04:23:10,880 --> 04:23:13,359
>> Oh is it?

6221
04:23:13,359 --> 04:23:16,720
I didn't see it on the Which one is

6222
04:23:16,720 --> 04:23:31,990
I didn't see it on the

6223
04:23:32,000 --> 04:23:33,279
» faster than me trying I don't know if

6224
04:23:33,279 --> 04:23:57,349
there is

6225
04:23:57,359 --> 04:24:07,510
it.

6226
04:24:07,520 --> 04:24:26,550
Definitely.

6227
04:24:26,560 --> 04:24:36,950
Whatever.

6228
04:24:36,960 --> 04:24:39,040
me over.

6229
04:24:39,040 --> 04:25:05,910
>> Um

6230
04:25:05,920 --> 04:25:07,840
kind of figured out

6231
04:25:07,840 --> 04:25:16,950
that would be a fun

6232
04:25:16,960 --> 04:25:21,349
language.

6233
04:25:21,359 --> 04:25:23,199
Do you want to come up here and then

6234
04:25:23,199 --> 04:25:59,349
position while shot?

6235
04:25:59,359 --> 04:26:04,309
So, I'll just basically leave something

6236
04:26:04,319 --> 04:26:07,279
down because our former mayor was quite

6237
04:26:07,279 --> 04:26:10,560
long, but I'm like, "No, but I can't do

6238
04:26:10,560 --> 04:26:12,960
that."

6239
04:26:12,960 --> 04:26:15,840
>> That's why we vote to extend that 9:30

6240
04:26:15,840 --> 04:26:18,399
preference.

6241
04:26:18,399 --> 04:26:20,640
So, I've done some my best work at 2

6242
04:26:20,640 --> 04:26:23,359
a.m. So,

6243
04:26:23,359 --> 04:26:25,680
>> yeah, it's pretty the recovery time for

6244
04:26:25,680 --> 04:26:33,189
all nighters was different now.

6245
04:26:33,199 --> 04:26:34,159
» Go ahead.

6246
04:26:34,159 --> 04:26:37,520
>> I'm not picking.

6247
04:26:37,520 --> 04:26:41,120
>> Okay. So, just this part here, right?

6248
04:26:41,120 --> 04:26:45,279
>> Yeah. Okay. All right. So you'll raise

6249
04:26:45,279 --> 04:26:48,399
your right hand and repeat after me. I,

6250
04:26:48,399 --> 04:26:49,439
Sarah Taylor,

6251
04:26:49,439 --> 04:26:50,319
>> Sarah Taylor,

6252
04:26:50,319 --> 04:26:52,720
>> do solemnly swear

6253
04:26:52,720 --> 04:26:54,239
>> or affirm

6254
04:26:54,239 --> 04:26:56,399
>> that I will support the Constitution of

6255
04:26:56,399 --> 04:26:57,520
the United States

6256
04:26:57,520 --> 04:26:59,120
>> that I will support the Constitution of

6257
04:26:59,120 --> 04:27:00,319
the United States

6258
04:27:00,319 --> 04:27:04,319
>> and the Constitution and laws

6259
04:27:04,319 --> 04:27:06,080
>> of the state of Washington

6260
04:27:06,080 --> 04:27:07,120
>> state of Washington

6261
04:27:07,120 --> 04:27:08,960
>> and all local ordinances

6262
04:27:08,960 --> 04:27:10,239
>> all local ordinances

6263
04:27:10,239 --> 04:27:11,600
>> and that I will faithfully and

6264
04:27:11,600 --> 04:27:12,479
impartially

6265
04:27:12,479 --> 04:27:14,319
>> I will faithfully and impartially

6266
04:27:14,319 --> 04:27:19,120
>> perform and discharge the duties of the

6267
04:27:19,120 --> 04:27:20,399
office of council member

6268
04:27:20,399 --> 04:27:21,840
>> of the office of council member

6269
04:27:21,840 --> 04:27:24,239
>> according to the law

6270
04:27:24,239 --> 04:27:26,880
>> and the best of my ability

6271
04:27:26,880 --> 04:27:28,800
congratulations welcome to you all city

6272
04:27:28,800 --> 04:27:32,149
council

6273
04:27:32,159 --> 04:27:45,510
» sign

6274
04:27:45,520 --> 04:27:47,920
you keep this and I'll

6275
04:27:47,920 --> 04:27:50,960
Thank you very much.

6276
04:27:50,960 --> 04:27:55,040
>> Do you want a picture? We'll probably

6277
04:27:55,040 --> 04:27:59,990
show your certific.

6278
04:28:00,000 --> 04:28:01,680
» Oh, good. Okay. Do you just want one

6279
04:28:01,680 --> 04:28:04,720
more just in case?

6280
04:28:04,720 --> 04:28:06,560
>> Yeah. Are you a funny version of

6281
04:28:06,560 --> 04:28:12,630
souvenir? [laughter]

6282
04:28:12,640 --> 04:28:14,880
» Very much. And so now you actually get

6283
04:28:14,880 --> 04:28:17,760
to sit at the table right now because

6284
04:28:17,760 --> 04:28:22,560
you were on like this. [laughter]

6285
04:28:22,560 --> 04:28:26,560
>> Okay. So with that we will now hold on.

6286
04:28:26,560 --> 04:28:27,840
Let me get the script here. So

6287
04:28:27,840 --> 04:28:29,040
>> you got another script to read.

6288
04:28:29,040 --> 04:28:31,040
>> Yes.

6289
04:28:31,040 --> 04:28:31,600
Get this right.

6290
04:28:31,600 --> 04:28:33,600
>> Exactly.

6291
04:28:33,600 --> 04:28:36,479
>> Okay.

6292
04:28:36,479 --> 04:28:38,399
So welcome council me. Where are you?

6293
04:28:38,399 --> 04:28:42,399
Council member Taylor. Um all right. We

6294
04:28:42,399 --> 04:28:45,359
are going to the Duval City Council will

6295
04:28:45,359 --> 04:28:49,040
now meet an executive session to discuss

6296
04:28:49,040 --> 04:28:51,840
qualifications of an applicant for city

6297
04:28:51,840 --> 04:28:58,070
council. Um as allowed by RCW42.30.110

6298
04:28:58,080 --> 04:29:01,520
sub one subh. Um council will be in

6299
04:29:01,520 --> 04:29:07,429
executive session until

6300
04:29:07,439 --> 04:29:08,800
you want 20 minute.

6301
04:29:08,800 --> 04:29:11,520
>> Yeah. 4 to 3. Um,

6302
04:29:11,520 --> 04:29:13,760
>> can we should we start smaller council?

6303
04:29:13,760 --> 04:29:15,359
Do you want to start shorter? Yeah, I'm

6304
04:29:15,359 --> 04:29:17,920
seeing a nod for Mike. Um, should we

6305
04:29:17,920 --> 04:29:20,800
start with 10 15 minutes and try to

6306
04:29:20,800 --> 04:29:21,680
>> You think 15?

6307
04:29:21,680 --> 04:29:22,239
>> 15. Yeah,

6308
04:29:22,239 --> 04:29:23,680
>> I know we're going to end, but like

6309
04:29:23,680 --> 04:29:25,760
let's just try. [laughter]

6310
04:29:25,760 --> 04:29:27,840
>> Okay. So, we will the council will be in

6311
04:29:27,840 --> 04:29:32,399
executive session until um 10:16 and I

6312
04:29:32,399 --> 04:29:33,920
will notify the clerk if we need to

6313
04:29:33,920 --> 04:29:44,550
extend

6314
04:29:44,560 --> 04:43:01,910
Okay, back to session.

6315
04:43:01,920 --> 04:43:11,750
Council

6316
04:43:11,760 --> 04:43:13,680
will return from executive session at

6317
04:43:13,680 --> 04:52:53,110
226.

6318
04:52:53,120 --> 04:53:00,708
Council

6319
04:53:00,718 --> 04:53:03,280
will return from executive se session at

6320
04:53:03,280 --> 05:03:38,948
2236.

6321
05:03:38,958 --> 05:03:52,150
Council

6322
05:03:52,160 --> 05:03:54,240
will return from executive session at

6323
05:03:54,240 --> 05:10:48,470
2240.

6324
05:10:48,480 --> 05:10:50,480
Council will return from executive

6325
05:10:50,480 --> 05:15:50,070
session at 22:45.

6326
05:15:50,080 --> 05:15:51,920
Council will return from executive

6327
05:15:51,920 --> 05:20:39,990
session at 2250.

6328
05:20:40,000 --> 05:20:51,670
Council

6329
05:20:51,680 --> 05:20:53,600
will return from executive session at

6330
05:20:53,600 --> 05:24:16,470
2252.

6331
05:24:16,480 --> 05:24:19,600
Um, is it okay? I know I'm reading. We

6332
05:24:19,600 --> 05:24:21,840
should wait for Oh, it's just most So, I

6333
05:24:21,840 --> 05:24:26,550
think we're we have quum, so we're okay.

6334
05:24:26,560 --> 05:24:31,590
» Oh, okay. Sorry. No, it's

6335
05:24:31,600 --> 05:24:33,840
» trying to modify.

6336
05:24:33,840 --> 05:24:36,400
>> So, I call the Duval City regular

6337
05:24:36,400 --> 05:24:38,798
council the Duval City Council regular

6338
05:24:38,798 --> 05:24:43,920
meeting back to order at 10:53 p.m.

6339
05:24:43,920 --> 05:24:46,798
And

6340
05:24:46,798 --> 05:24:48,958
I'll turn it back over or I guess

6341
05:24:48,958 --> 05:24:50,240
>> back over to Mayor Parton.

6342
05:24:50,240 --> 05:24:52,480
>> Um, so similar this is a similar

6343
05:24:52,480 --> 05:24:55,200
process. Uh just again for for the folks

6344
05:24:55,200 --> 05:24:57,520
in the room, each council member has

6345
05:24:57,520 --> 05:25:01,200
four votes. Um and so looks like the

6346
05:25:01,200 --> 05:25:04,240
clerk has already marked out Sarah

6347
05:25:04,240 --> 05:25:08,320
Taylor's name from here. Um so you'll

6348
05:25:08,320 --> 05:25:10,560
have um

6349
05:25:10,560 --> 05:25:13,360
four votes to distribute across the the

6350
05:25:13,360 --> 05:25:16,160
four candidates. Um I think that's

6351
05:25:16,160 --> 05:25:19,040
correct. Yep. And you can uh similar to

6352
05:25:19,040 --> 05:25:21,680
the last one, you can distribute or you

6353
05:25:21,680 --> 05:25:24,798
can place all your votes. Um

6354
05:25:24,798 --> 05:25:28,000
actually sure. Yeah. Okay. Or distribute

6355
05:25:28,000 --> 05:25:29,680
your votes between multiple candidates.

6356
05:25:29,680 --> 05:25:31,840
That could be a little challenging for

6357
05:25:31,840 --> 05:25:34,878
you'll have to add all this up but um

6358
05:25:34,878 --> 05:25:36,878
and then similar you know once you you

6359
05:25:36,878 --> 05:25:40,160
mark the matrix fold it in half and that

6360
05:25:40,160 --> 05:26:19,670
works.

6361
05:26:19,680 --> 05:26:24,150
a little

6362
05:26:24,160 --> 05:26:39,270
an hour ago.

6363
05:26:39,280 --> 05:26:43,750
Yeah, I know.

6364
05:26:43,760 --> 05:26:54,708
» Finding the least bad way to do it.

6365
05:26:54,718 --> 05:27:11,590
» Dancing.

6366
05:27:11,600 --> 05:27:20,788
I know I totally close session. So

6367
05:27:20,798 --> 05:27:24,240
» I'll get up for

6368
05:27:24,240 --> 05:27:34,788
a while.

6369
05:27:34,798 --> 05:27:36,638
an hour

6370
05:27:36,638 --> 05:27:42,150
show you

6371
05:27:42,160 --> 05:27:44,000
» just waiting for one more.

6372
05:27:44,000 --> 05:27:47,200
>> Is it?

6373
05:27:47,200 --> 05:27:54,230
It's not.

6374
05:27:54,240 --> 05:27:58,150
Oh.

6375
05:27:58,160 --> 05:28:13,430
I just like

6376
05:28:13,440 --> 05:28:16,400
I promise. That's why I like my spirit

6377
05:28:16,400 --> 05:28:18,698
almost broke when I remembered.

6378
05:28:18,698 --> 05:28:26,548
[laughter]

6379
05:28:26,558 --> 05:28:28,718
regularly and go till almost midnight.

6380
05:28:28,718 --> 05:28:29,440
That mean

6381
05:28:29,440 --> 05:28:34,150
>> really

6382
05:28:34,160 --> 05:28:36,240
goes pretty regularly.

6383
05:28:36,240 --> 05:28:39,360
>> Like they usually get 11 or 12:00

6384
05:28:39,360 --> 05:28:42,400
>> and more last year went till the

6385
05:28:42,400 --> 05:28:44,080
morning.

6386
05:28:44,080 --> 05:28:45,840
>> We've had at least a couple this year

6387
05:28:45,840 --> 05:28:48,000
where we got out before 8, I think.

6388
05:28:48,000 --> 05:28:48,400
Right.

6389
05:28:48,400 --> 05:28:49,520
>> Yeah.

6390
05:28:49,520 --> 05:28:52,798
>> That happens next meeting, right?

6391
05:28:52,798 --> 05:28:55,430
>> Okay.

6392
05:28:55,440 --> 05:28:58,000
I will plan the we'll plan the agenda to

6393
05:28:58,000 --> 05:28:59,920
be

6394
05:28:59,920 --> 05:29:01,280
>> not like we're headed into budget

6395
05:29:01,280 --> 05:29:03,892
season. What are you worried about?

6396
05:29:03,892 --> 05:29:05,280
[laughter]

6397
05:29:05,280 --> 05:29:07,760
>> The next my first real meeting is the

6398
05:29:07,760 --> 05:29:08,718
first day of school.

6399
05:29:08,718 --> 05:29:10,160
>> Oh. Oh yeah, that's right. It's

6400
05:29:10,160 --> 05:29:12,480
September.

6401
05:29:12,480 --> 05:29:14,160
>> I'm just happy when I get out and I can

6402
05:29:14,160 --> 05:29:14,320
go to

6403
05:29:14,320 --> 05:29:16,638
>> CeCe's

6404
05:29:16,638 --> 05:29:18,798
for my high schooler because he doesn't

6405
05:29:18,798 --> 05:29:20,400
the second because they're only going to

6406
05:29:20,400 --> 05:29:23,120
crush and go the first day.

6407
05:29:23,120 --> 05:29:24,718
My daughter will sell because she'll be

6408
05:29:24,718 --> 05:29:29,350
great.

6409
05:29:29,360 --> 05:29:31,040
» I'm in the Eastern time zone, so

6410
05:29:31,040 --> 05:29:35,520
technically it's 2 am here.

6411
05:29:35,520 --> 05:29:38,558
>> I was curious where

6412
05:29:38,558 --> 05:29:40,958
>> I hope you can sleep in tomorrow.

6413
05:29:40,958 --> 05:29:42,480
>> I hope so, too. I don't know. We have

6414
05:29:42,480 --> 05:29:44,000
plans tomorrow afternoon, but I don't

6415
05:29:44,000 --> 05:29:45,760
know how early we have to get up. Um,

6416
05:29:45,760 --> 05:29:47,200
I'm just going to play dub and sleep

6417
05:29:47,200 --> 05:29:50,558
until they make me get up. [laughter]

6418
05:29:50,558 --> 05:30:12,658
>> Plan now.

6419
05:30:12,668 --> 05:30:13,600
» [laughter]

6420
05:30:13,600 --> 05:30:17,430
>> Jeffy music

6421
05:30:17,440 --> 05:30:26,628
playing elevator

6422
05:30:26,638 --> 05:30:40,628
Did anyone know there's a lot?

6423
05:30:40,638 --> 05:30:44,000
» What do you want me to speak? Yes.

6424
05:30:44,000 --> 05:30:50,230
>> Yeah. makes it a little easier.

6425
05:30:50,240 --> 05:30:51,840
» Just like if you don't know the process,

6426
05:30:51,840 --> 05:30:56,470
that's all

6427
05:30:56,480 --> 05:31:01,830
» and nice big there were a couple,

6428
05:31:01,840 --> 05:31:02,958
you know, because I think it's just

6429
05:31:02,958 --> 05:31:07,024
enough, you know,

6430
05:31:07,034 --> 05:31:27,510
[clears throat]

6431
05:31:27,520 --> 05:31:30,080
For candidate Conway, seven votes,

6432
05:31:30,080 --> 05:31:32,878
candidate Braer, seven votes for

6433
05:31:32,878 --> 05:31:35,920
candidate Blueert, eight. And for

6434
05:31:35,920 --> 05:31:41,670
candidate Mo, two votes.

6435
05:31:41,680 --> 05:31:43,520
love you being able to narrow down in

6436
05:31:43,520 --> 05:31:45,360
the single vote to three candidates.

6437
05:31:45,360 --> 05:31:48,480
Appreciate it. And u yeah, as we sort of

6438
05:31:48,480 --> 05:31:50,320
prefet at the beginning, there will be

6439
05:31:50,320 --> 05:31:53,680
other opportunities for for folks and we

6440
05:31:53,680 --> 05:31:56,958
hope um we appreciated the work that M

6441
05:31:56,958 --> 05:31:59,440
has done on by

6442
05:31:59,440 --> 05:32:01,920
commission. So yeah,

6443
05:32:01,920 --> 05:32:04,160
>> all right. So next on our agenda, we

6444
05:32:04,160 --> 05:32:07,040
will go into the Duval City Council will

6445
05:32:07,040 --> 05:32:11,120
now meet in closed session to discuss

6446
05:32:11,120 --> 05:32:12,798
Um

6447
05:32:12,798 --> 05:32:15,990
sorry

6448
05:32:16,000 --> 05:32:18,160
for I apologize.

6449
05:32:18,160 --> 05:32:19,760
>> Consider

6450
05:32:19,760 --> 05:32:23,520
which one uh 42314

6451
05:32:23,520 --> 05:32:27,360
gay which is to consider um

6452
05:32:27,360 --> 05:32:28,160
>> should be in the back.

6453
05:32:28,160 --> 05:32:29,760
>> Okay. No, I know. I'm looking at that

6454
05:32:29,760 --> 05:32:31,040
but

6455
05:32:31,040 --> 05:32:31,440
>> Oh,

6456
05:32:31,440 --> 05:32:32,480
>> sorry.

6457
05:32:32,480 --> 05:32:37,990
>> Yeah.

6458
05:32:38,000 --> 05:32:43,510
» Oh, is this

6459
05:32:43,520 --> 05:32:44,958
I think I thought it was

6460
05:32:44,958 --> 05:32:49,040
>> section sessions and executive sessions.

6461
05:32:49,040 --> 05:32:51,280
>> Okay. So, did you say that one more

6462
05:32:51,280 --> 05:32:51,680
time?

6463
05:32:51,680 --> 05:32:55,280
>> Um, it's uh 423144A

6464
05:32:55,280 --> 05:32:58,638
to consider um bargaining proposals for

6465
05:32:58,638 --> 05:32:59,920
collective bargaining.

6466
05:32:59,920 --> 05:33:03,520
>> Okay. So consider RC. So under

6467
05:33:03,520 --> 05:33:08,548
RCW42.30.144A

6468
05:33:08,558 --> 05:33:10,480
considerations for collective

6469
05:33:10,480 --> 05:33:11,120
bargaining.

6470
05:33:11,120 --> 05:33:12,558
>> That's paraphrasing. Yes.

6471
05:33:12,558 --> 05:33:14,400
>> Oh, do I need to say it exactly or is it

6472
05:33:14,400 --> 05:33:16,958
okay? Okay. Um, how long do you want?

6473
05:33:16,958 --> 05:33:18,000
>> 10 minutes.

6474
05:33:18,000 --> 05:33:20,878
>> Council will be in exe or close session

6475
05:33:20,878 --> 05:44:38,948
until 112.

6476
05:44:38,958 --> 05:44:41,760
Council will return from close session

6477
05:44:41,760 --> 05:48:18,628
at 2317.

6478
05:48:18,638 --> 05:48:20,718
All right. So, Dubal City Council is

6479
05:48:20,718 --> 05:48:23,920
returning from close session at 11:17

6480
05:48:23,920 --> 05:48:27,120
p.m. Next up on our agenda is we're

6481
05:48:27,120 --> 05:48:31,040
going to reopen public comment.

6482
05:48:31,040 --> 05:48:33,120
There is nobody in the audience. Um, and

6483
05:48:33,120 --> 05:48:35,440
we only accept in person commentary. So,

6484
05:48:35,440 --> 05:48:36,878
we will go ahead and close public

6485
05:48:36,878 --> 05:48:38,958
comment. Lastly, is there anything for

6486
05:48:38,958 --> 05:48:41,520
the good of the order?

6487
05:48:41,520 --> 05:48:44,480
Not hearing any.

6488
05:48:44,480 --> 05:48:46,798
>> So, with that, we will adjourn the Deval

6489
05:48:46,798 --> 05:48:49,520
City Council meeting at 11:17 p.m. Thank

6490
05:48:49,520 --> 05:48:53,040
you everyone. Have a good night.