[0:04] like to call the city of Duval committee
[0:05] of the whole workshop uh for August 18,
[0:08] 2026 to order at 5:31
[0:12] uh p.m. First item on the committee of
[0:15] the whole workshop agenda and review of
[0:18] the regular uh meeting agenda. And I
[0:20] just um wanted to let folks know I do
[0:23] plan to submit a motion the regular
[0:25] council meeting to extend the public
[0:27] comment period. Uh so um if that's
[0:30] something other council members are
[0:31] considering just uh just to be aware of
[0:33] it. Are there any other changes or
[0:36] adjustments to the agenda we need to
[0:38] make note of?
[0:42] Seeing none, we will move on to the
[0:44] first of our discussion items this
[0:46] evening. Um and I do want to welcome the
[0:48] audience. We've got quite a few folks in
[0:50] the room with us today. Um
[0:53] and that is a presentation from the King
[0:56] County Library System regarding the
[0:57] Dubal Library and Denise um Balo uh the
[1:01] regional manager of the King County
[1:03] Library System will be presenting that
[1:05] she might be on
[1:07] >> Oh, I think
[1:09] [laughter]
[1:10] I saw the slide go up and
[1:14] >> so I will turn it over to you. You can
[1:17] make whatever introduction you want to
[1:18] make as well.
[1:21] Thank you, Mayor Mckenry and city
[1:23] council for welcoming us here today to
[1:26] share some information about King County
[1:28] Library System and the Duval Library. My
[1:30] name is Denise Mcgalo and I am the
[1:32] regional manager, one of nine regional
[1:34] managers uh in the King County Library
[1:37] System and my responsibilities include
[1:39] oversight and support for the Duval
[1:40] Library. I have some of my colleagues
[1:43] here with me today, Angie Benedetti,
[1:46] director of collection and access over
[1:48] there. Um, and to my left here is Naomi
[1:51] Fogerty. She's the librarian and
[1:53] information services manager in our
[1:56] region. And we have another one who's
[1:57] coming soon. And then I have with us
[2:00] Amanda Bishop who is our adult services
[2:02] librarian. Uh, and she works full-time,
[2:04] but she serves Carnation and Duvall
[2:07] together. Um, and then we have a Duo
[2:10] library board member. Jess, are you over
[2:12] there?
[2:12] >> Yeah.
[2:14] >> Jess in the audience as well. So, I want
[2:16] to welcome them as well.
[2:19] Um, so I wanted to just start with our
[2:22] mission and that is to inspire the
[2:26] people of King County to succeed through
[2:29] ideas, interaction, and information.
[2:32] Um, [clears throat]
[2:35] and then next slide, please.
[2:36] >> Oh, you have a
[2:38] >> I have I have I'm not sure how to
[2:42] >> Okay, I will give a word up there.
[2:44] Beautiful. Okay, got it.
[2:49] So the King County Library has 50,
[2:51] that's what I said, hi location just
[2:54] throughout the county and our libraries
[2:57] were divided up by regions there and the
[2:59] glacier region that's us up there.
[3:01] That's that giant big looks like a
[3:04] wrench. We include Carnia, Duvall,
[3:08] Kingsgate, Kirkland, Woodville, and the
[3:11] Skycomish Library.
[3:14] And this last year, King County
[3:17] libraries circulated 21 million items
[3:21] throughout the county. 11 million were
[3:24] digital items. So about half of what we
[3:27] circulate is digital. We are number two
[3:30] in the United States and number four in
[3:33] the world. And these represent 42.8% of
[3:38] household market reach.
[3:48] And so here's some just some numbers for
[3:50] you, some statistics. Our total
[3:52] circulation at the Duvall Library, this
[3:55] includes physical items and digital
[3:57] items in 2025, was about 250,000
[4:01] items. Uh, and we had 6,247
[4:05] active patrons, people who were using
[4:07] their card with some regular regularity.
[4:10] And in that year, we had over 865
[4:14] new accounts added. Uh so you could see
[4:17] that there are people that are moving in
[4:18] and and getting cards at the library.
[4:21] And for 2025, we had over 70,000 total
[4:24] library visits. Uh our stats for 2026 is kind of around about the same, but
[4:31] we're looking to maybe meet the same
[4:32] kind of target because it it es and
[4:34] flows each month uh in terms of the
[4:37] totals. Uh and then one important number
[4:39] I just wanted to point out. Uh you as
[4:42] you know we're open seven days a week.
[4:44] Uh and on average we have 26 people
[4:46] coming through the library doors every
[4:48] open hour which is pretty significant
[4:51] for community library.
[5:02] Okay. So, one of the things I wanted to
[5:05] tell you about because I think you know
[5:07] um already that um the library does
[5:09] story times, the library has activities
[5:12] for teens. We do craft afternoons for uh
[5:14] teens and adults. Uh so those things
[5:16] that you actually see happening in the
[5:18] library. But some of the things that you
[5:20] don't know where King County Library is
[5:22] supporting the community is things that
[5:24] we're doing when we're going to schools,
[5:26] when we're going to community events, uh
[5:28] to other other areas and partners in the
[5:32] community. And so one of the things our
[5:34] outreach staff and this is staff that is
[5:36] uh supported at the system level and
[5:38] they go to all different types of places
[5:40] daycarees um senior centers those kinds
[5:44] of things regularly to bring materials
[5:46] for them to check out and here in Duval
[5:48] uh they support acres of diamonds once a
[5:51] month and Braithburn Academy once a
[5:53] month. So, I wanted you to kind of point
[5:55] that out. It's something extra that
[5:57] we're doing here in Duvall. And then our
[6:00] Duval and Carnation librarians, they're
[6:03] providing lots of outreach to our
[6:04] schools, uh, senior center and and and
[6:08] those kinds of things. And here, she
[6:10] does work at the Snow Valley Senior
[6:12] Center and coordinates and co-creates
[6:14] programs with them there. Uh, and so
[6:16] those are things you that they're busy
[6:18] doing and wondering where the librarians
[6:20] are. That's what they're out there
[6:21] doing. Um, and certainly supporting our
[6:23] schools is a really important thing.
[6:25] Reaching children and students in our
[6:28] schools directly that can't get to the
[6:30] library, don't know about the library.
[6:32] Really important for them to be doing
[6:34] that.
[6:36] Okay.
[6:39] And then I really wanted to focus I know
[6:41] this year because both Amanda and our
[6:44] new children's team service just started
[6:47] this in the last months or so. Amanda,
[6:50] even a little bit later, right?
[6:51] [laughter] So, they're just kind of
[6:54] getting their, you know, feet to the
[6:55] ground and out there and doing things.
[6:57] And so, right away, we're we're doing
[7:00] and partnering with you, you the city
[7:02] with different events. And we're really
[7:04] proud of that work and we want to
[7:06] continue that work. Uh, we have the
[7:08] touch a truck program at Deepo Park
[7:10] which was on May 20th and I think that's
[7:13] you Amanda there in the picture. Yeah.
[7:15] Okay.
[7:16] >> Uh and then we had um the bookw walk at
[7:18] two two moons park uh for a month uh
[7:21] just over the uh first month of summer
[7:24] there uh duval days which we always
[7:27] participate and have a a nice table out
[7:29] front and we see so many people uh
[7:32] during that day uh and connect with them
[7:34] to get them signed up for summer reading
[7:36] and all those things. And then something
[7:38] uh I think new that we're doing this
[7:40] year Sarah started an outdoor story time
[7:42] which is continuing through the end of
[7:44] the month. Hope that is going well. Uh Ronnie, our manager, got this
[7:48] wonderful picture with Sarah in the
[7:50] midst of bubbles, which I loved. So, I
[7:52] wanted to add that one there. Uh and
[7:54] then summer reading, uh which we do
[7:57] every summer, uh so far, and I'm sure
[7:59] this number has maybe grown a little
[8:00] bit, but we have over 400 readers signed
[8:03] up city of Dufall, uh for our summer
[8:06] reading program.
[8:13] That's all I got. Thank you. Do you have
[8:16] any questions questions or for any of
[8:18] us? [laughter]
[8:20] >> I'm an insider. Um, so 400 is that kids
[8:23] and adults if you do adult summer
[8:25] reading too this year.
[8:26] >> This was just for kids because we
[8:28] everybody signs up through Beanstack and
[8:30] the cool thing about Beanstack is it
[8:32] collects some numbers and data for us.
[8:33] So we're able to kind of chat and see.
[8:35] So this is kids to
[8:39] >> Yeah. We have the bingo for adult this
[8:41] year.
[8:42] >> Yeah.
[8:42] >> And that does not require sign up. They
[8:45] bingo car.
[8:50] » Uh I just had a quick comment. I do a
[8:52] lot of road tripping up to Skycomish and
[8:54] it is always surprising to me that right
[8:56] off the railroad you see the King County
[8:58] Library out there
[8:59] >> and it's surprising because it's just so
[9:01] way out there but you're still getting
[9:02] the service out there.
[9:04] >> And I think I also wonder I was
[9:06] wondering 2025.
[9:09] This is a brand new garden.
[9:11] >> Nice.
[9:12] Nice.
[9:13] >> So, yeah, y'all are doing a great job.
[9:14] Big fan of our library system and I'm
[9:17] glad to be a feature.
[9:18] >> Thank you.
[9:19] >> Yeah, we do quite a bit of events uh at
[9:21] Fish Library, too. And our librarians,
[9:24] they work they work collaboratively in
[9:26] the valley. Um we team up to go to
[9:28] community events. Uh so, it's not just
[9:31] one person doing one thing or one
[9:33] audience. We're working together with
[9:36] our partners, with with the schools,
[9:38] with each other across our region. You
[9:40] know, hey, who's available on such and
[9:42] such day? I want to go to this event. I
[9:44] need a couple people to be at that
[9:45] table. So, it's it's it's wonderful work
[9:49] that they do together. I'm very proud of
[9:50] all their efforts.
[9:53] >> Other questions from council? I have a
[9:55] question, but I want to give uh
[10:00] um sort of two two questions slightly
[10:02] different. uh one is obviously you know
[10:04] there was a co and then there was a lot
[10:06] of um just the transition in terms of
[10:08] media type and and I know the library
[10:11] supports a lot I I assume the
[10:13] investments in terms of you know ebooks
[10:15] as well as regular books that that
[10:17] you've continued to keep pace with that
[10:18] so I appreciate it um I was sort of on
[10:21] the picking up books for my daughter and
[10:23] you know the whole matching cards and
[10:25] getting the right accounts and and uh
[10:27] appreciated that I was curious you
[10:29] mentioned on one of the slides um the
[10:32] outreach to the schools and obviously
[10:33] they have their own libraries. Do you
[10:35] coordinate with the librarians and sort
[10:36] of try to address gaps or uh is it more
[10:40] of a sort of outreach in terms of these
[10:43] resources that are available that we
[10:45] have here in terms of the library? I
[10:46] just kind of curious how that
[10:48] interaction works. I mean I think the
[10:50] focus has been um their their primary
[10:55] motivation is actually just connecting
[10:56] with those students and yes they're
[10:58] talking to faculty or the school
[10:59] librarians uh and coordinating those.
[11:02] They've done a lot of lunchtime crafts
[11:05] which has really been a big hit as just
[11:07] a an easy way to just connect and talk
[11:10] with students directly. Um, think of any
[11:14] other things that in the schools here.
[11:18] >> Hi, Angelina Benadi. Uh, Brenovich.
[11:22] Welcome. Glad to be here uh for council.
[11:25] I am the uh regional uh director for the
[11:28] um region here. um every school, every
[11:32] school district that we work with in um
[11:35] uh our in our uh KCLs, we work with the
[11:38] districts in order to make sure that
[11:40] every student has a student card and
[11:43] that card can access all of our
[11:45] databases and all of our uh digital
[11:47] materials.
[11:48] >> And so that's something that every
[11:49] student we work with schools in order to
[11:51] be able to provide that.
[11:54] Yeah, [clears throat]
[11:58] » I have a comment. Everyone said I I just
[12:00] want to thank you for also just seeing
[12:02] that there's space in Duvall for youth
[12:04] especially. Um there's not a lot of
[12:06] places for kids to hang out here and the
[12:08] library is a big spot. I know I
[12:10] personally used it to drop kids off for
[12:11] their meetups with other friends and
[12:13] it's just such a welcoming place. And I
[12:16] also say like I loved the um the ad
[12:19] campaign for letting people know about
[12:22] using your library card. you get free
[12:24] museum tickets um in the Seattle area.
[12:26] That was really something I hadn't heard
[12:28] of before and I I definitely saw a push
[12:30] on social media to tell people about
[12:31] that. So, that was a really cool program
[12:33] and I'm assuming that's year round that
[12:34] that's always available. I know it's
[12:36] limited per day than for the but
[12:39] >> it is. And then we also have something
[12:40] special going on with Pacific Science
[12:42] Center for a certain day coming up. I'm
[12:44] forgetting the date of the moment.
[12:46] >> I'm sure it's on the website though.
[12:48] >> Yeah. Well, thank you. But yeah, there's
[12:50] just a lot of great benefits being a
[12:52] member and it's it's been a great
[12:53] resource in our community. So, thank
[12:54] you.
[12:56] >> Appreciate it. Thank you.
[12:57] >> Thank you so much.
[13:01] Thank you.
[13:04] >> Yeah. An item on our council hall agenda
[13:07] is proposed provisions to do municipal
[13:10] code 8.12 on social events and that will
[13:12] be that discussion will be presided by
[13:14] uh our communications and community
[13:17] events manager.
[13:19] >> Um good evening council mayor. Um so
[13:23] this is just really an update to an
[13:26] older policy.
[13:28] Um, the last significant update was in
[13:31] 1997 and now we're taking the
[13:33] opportunity to bring it up to date and
[13:34] incorporate the WCA's
[13:37] recommendations.
[13:39] >> Oh, fancy.
[13:42] >> Is it just the
[13:47] power?
[13:49] >> Okay. Um, so there aren't any major
[13:51] changes to the city's overall approach
[13:53] with special events. for mainly
[13:55] clarifying the process and strengthening
[13:57] some of the risk management pieces
[13:59] behind or sorry based on WCIA's
[14:02] recommendations
[14:04] and I believe that those recommendations
[14:06] were back in 2022.
[14:11] So, next steps,
[14:14] council review and feedback. And I
[14:15] believe one council member sent over um
[14:18] council member Wiggins had sent over
[14:21] some recommendations and working with
[14:23] Oscar to finalize and bring back the
[14:25] adoption.
[14:29] » Any questions?
[14:32] >> Uh any questions or comment from
[14:34] council? I don't know if you have any
[14:35] council member.
[14:37] >> I had a couple little notes. Is it
[14:40] better that I provide those now or
[14:41] should I just email them over later?
[14:43] >> Uh, email would be great.
[14:45] >> Okay, happy to do that.
[14:48] >> And then you can bring that back to us.
[14:51] >> Yeah. Yes, I believe on September.
[15:01] » Well, thank you.
[15:03] Um our our third um discussion item for
[15:08] this evening is website challenges
[15:10] related to new initiatives by the uh ADA
[15:13] the Americans with Disabilities Act and
[15:15] that will also be by Rita Moreno our
[15:18] communications and community events
[15:20] manager.
[15:21] [laughter]
[15:23] >> So today I'd like to just give a quick
[15:25] overview of what the ADA accessibility
[15:27] means spec specifically for our city
[15:30] website.
[15:32] That's very cool.
[15:35] >> Okay. So, um the ADA requires local
[15:39] governments to provide equal access to
[15:41] their services and information and that
[15:43] includes information we provide online
[15:45] through our website. For the website,
[15:47] that means making sure people with
[15:49] disabilities can accept can access and
[15:51] navigate our information using tools
[15:53] like screen readers, keyboard
[15:55] navigation, and other assisted
[15:57] technology.
[16:01] So when we talk about website
[16:04] accessibility, there are a lot of
[16:06] different pieces that are going into
[16:08] that. Things like making sure our pages
[16:11] have clear headings and navigation, that
[16:13] there's enough contrast between text and
[16:15] backgrounds, and that images have
[16:17] alternative text. It also includes
[16:20] making sure forms, PDFs, and other
[16:23] documents are accessible and that videos
[16:25] have captions. The goal is really to
[16:28] make sure that someone with a disability
[16:29] can get the same information and
[16:31] complete the same tasks on our website
[16:33] as everyone else.
[16:37] So, what have we done so far? We've
[16:39] already started working on accessibility
[16:41] improvements. We've been reviewing the
[16:43] website, identifying areas that need
[16:45] attention, and addressing issues as we
[16:47] come across them. Uh we're also
[16:49] utilizing accessibility tools and
[16:51] resources that are available through
[16:53] Civic Plus which is our um
[16:58] backend sorry
[17:01] >> website.
[17:02] >> Yeah, website software. Um so going
[17:05] forward we are incorporating our
[17:06] accessibility into uh the way we create
[17:09] and update our documents training with
[17:12] staff so that they can learn how to
[17:14] create these documents so we don't have
[17:15] to go back and and fix things. So, uh,
[17:18] we had a summer intern for events and
[17:22] communications this summer and that was
[17:23] really great. She started working on
[17:25] adding um the alternative text to all
[17:28] the images on our website and that is
[17:30] alone was a big project that is not
[17:32] completed. So, every single image on our
[17:35] website needs the the alt text. So,
[17:38] that's just a little glimpse into what
[17:40] um what some of those updates look like.
[17:45] do um there's still like I said quite a
[17:49] bit of work for us to do. Um we have a
[17:51] large amount a large amount of existing
[17:53] content on our website. So some of our
[17:55] older pages, some of our older PDFs,
[17:57] there's a ton of documents on there um
[18:01] that need to be updated. So the next
[18:04] step is to do a little bit more like a
[18:06] deeper dive, a deeper review. Uh
[18:08] prioritize the areas that have the
[18:10] greatest impact on our users. So what
[18:12] pages are visited the most? uh what
[18:14] information are people looking at, what
[18:16] forms are people using, what PDFs are
[18:18] being accessed, and those are the ones
[18:19] that we can kind of work on first. So,
[18:22] uh the goal, the end goal is to create a
[18:24] process that we can maintain going
[18:26] forward. So, like I said, rather than
[18:28] consistently going back and fixing
[18:30] things so that when we're creating
[18:32] things, they already are on our website
[18:34] with all those those boxes checked.
[18:40] Um, so yeah, that's kind of what I
[18:42] ultimately I said our goal is to make
[18:44] sure the city's website is accessible
[18:46] for everyone in our community. And we've
[18:49] made a start. We've identified areas
[18:51] that need attention. And now we have a
[18:53] path forward to continue improving
[18:55] accessibility and make it a part of how
[18:57] we manage the website moving forward for
[18:59] everyone.
[19:02] >> Questions, comments from council.
[19:04] member.
[19:05] >> Yeah. What type of uh kind of
[19:07] disabilities uh are you planning to
[19:11] accommodate here? Is it people that are
[19:13] deaf, people that are blind?
[19:14] >> Exactly. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. So,
[19:18] >> yeah, that's exactly what it is. It's
[19:21] the color color blindness, deafness, um
[19:24] people that are using third party like
[19:27] readers, screen readers. So just making
[19:29] like I said the contrast between images
[19:32] making sure that it the websites are
[19:34] laid out in a fashion that when the
[19:36] screen reader is reading it that it goes
[19:38] in order makes sense like heading one
[19:40] heading two. So yeah.
[19:43] >> And how far back in time are you
[19:46] planning to um make these changes to
[19:49] >> the dinosaurs? [laughter]
[19:52] That's a great question. I mean I think
[19:54] uh we are using audio eyes. So like
[19:57] we're using a couple different things
[19:58] from Civic Plus right now and so it's
[20:00] going through our whole website
[20:03] essentially. So everything that's on
[20:05] there and that's another thing for us to
[20:07] discuss internally is um discussing
[20:10] archiving pages and documents that are
[20:12] so old that maybe they have no use on
[20:14] the website anymore.
[20:17] was curious um you know Rita in sort of
[20:19] my prior life I worked for Microsoft and
[20:22] the suite you know office 365 is kind of
[20:24] what we use on top of the CMS system the
[20:27] civics plus which is doing the content
[20:29] management on the back end that has an
[20:31] accessibility checker for for powerpoint
[20:33] documents word documents spreadsheets um
[20:37] I know traditionally we have not run
[20:38] that through and so there's the website
[20:40] which is where this particular topic was
[20:44] targeted but there's you know
[20:46] distribution council. There's no
[20:47] guarantee we won't get a council member
[20:48] that's color blind or um but it's also
[20:51] you know the the making documents
[20:53] available in email. Does this extend
[20:56] beyond the website to individual
[20:58] documents beyond just PDFs and web pages
[21:00] uh in terms of process changes for for
[21:02] the the office?
[21:04] >> Yeah. So I think once we figure out how
[21:08] to get everybody on the same page,
[21:09] right? So internally like we need to
[21:11] meet as people that are creating these
[21:13] documents that are going onto the
[21:15] website and I think you're you're right
[21:16] exactly that it'll lead into all of our
[21:18] documents going forward because we will
[21:21] have the training to how to create those
[21:24] documents. So it's using the tools that
[21:26] we already have on Microsoft Word and
[21:28] creating PowerPoint presentations.
[21:31] >> So there's some cleanup work as well as
[21:32] sort of like the process putting the
[21:34] process and framework in place going forward.
[21:38] city administrator again. Um so
[21:40] complimentary to this work we are by the
[21:43] end of the year also going to do a style
[21:44] guide for internal um document creation
[21:49] and um well basically document creation
[21:53] whether it's PowerPoint [clears throat]
[21:55] word so that we are choosing only from
[21:58] the five fonts that can be read by a
[22:02] document reader and so that work will
[22:04] happen at the beginning of the year will
[22:06] all be on a style guide that's
[22:08] consistent with the ADA accommodations
[22:12] and the website accessibility work that
[22:15] needs to be done by April now 2028.
[22:20] >> Everything has to complete that by then.
[22:22] [clears throat]
[22:23] >> So there's a little bit of one by
[22:25] >> a little bit
[22:27] of work.
[22:29] >> Uh oh, sorry, Council Member Wiggins.
[22:34] >> Yeah. Hi. Uh great. Um this is uh good
[22:37] stuff. I like fact that we're doing
[22:39] this. Um, Director McNav answered part
[22:41] of my question. Um, I was going to ask
[22:43] if staff could come back and provide a
[22:45] timeline to that last slide and any
[22:47] costs associated with the work that's
[22:48] being done. I I think I heard some a
[22:50] software that's being used to access and
[22:52] audit the our websites, but I wasn't
[22:55] sure if there's a subscription fee to
[22:57] that or do we own that or what the costs
[22:59] are associated with doing this work.
[23:00] That was my question.
[23:02] >> Administrator. Um, so we've already done
[23:06] the equivalent of a mini audit with the
[23:09] software that we have to do kind of an
[23:11] initial screen and we actually look okay
[23:14] for the most part. So Civic Plus has an
[23:17] audit feature that they've released
[23:19] because every city has to have their
[23:22] website accessible. It was supposed to
[23:23] be by 2027. So we all kind of started
[23:26] doing that work fairly quickly and then
[23:28] the federal government pushed it out
[23:30] until uh 2028. But that doesn't mean
[23:33] that there isn't still a lot of work to
[23:35] be done. So ultimately our goal is to
[23:38] have all of our documents
[23:41] uh edited with alt text on them be
[23:46] formatted for screen readers probably by
[23:51] you know I like to get a little ahead of
[23:52] the curve. You know the goal would be by
[23:54] February of 2028. It could mean as we
[23:57] continue to look at the stuff that's
[23:58] left that we will see a little bit of um
[24:04] uh budget requests for the 2027 and 2028
[24:07] bianium for some of those things that
[24:09] are highly specialized. And if we do
[24:11] make a budget request, that will appear
[24:13] in the uh communications and community
[24:16] events budget.
[24:20] [clears throat]
[24:22] Uh, Council Member Hernandez.
[24:23] >> Uh, in my last job at Nintendo of
[24:26] America, I was actually on the team that
[24:28] had to write all the alt text for our
[24:30] entire website. So, I know what you're up against. Uh, while I may not
[24:35] have the time to actually help you with
[24:37] that, I would if you don't already have
[24:38] a plan, please let me know and I will
[24:40] tell you how we did it. uh for the alt
[24:42] text. Uh it was fairly simple the way we
[24:44] set it up
[24:46] >> uh using an Excel sheet
[24:47] >> and we had a team of six people go
[24:49] through the entire website over the
[24:51] course of six months to get not just the
[24:53] alt text but everything ADA compliant.
[24:56] Uh I can only to give some advice on the
[24:58] alt text. That was all I did.
[25:00] >> That would be great. Thank you.
[25:02] >> Any comments or questions?
[25:05] [clears throat]
[25:06] Thank you.
[25:08] And that brings us to uh our last
[25:10] discussion item um David Syria um which
[25:15] is the dark sky initiative and proposed
[25:17] pilot program and that discussion will
[25:19] be led by C McNab sorry Cynthia McNav
[25:22] our city administrator and David Horren
[25:24] our resident you all who put this
[25:26] initiative proposals together.
[25:29] >> Well I will start with just passing it
[25:32] immediately off to David and thanking
[25:34] him for all of his work. David and I had
[25:37] an opportunity to meet a couple months
[25:40] ago just to talk about this initiative
[25:43] and um you know we always appreciate a
[25:46] resident who is passionate but also I
[25:49] want to make sure that we thank and
[25:50] appreciate David because he does our um
[25:53] night sky events up at Big Rock Ball
[25:55] Field and it's a wonderful free amenity
[25:59] that he offers the community and we
[26:01] really appreciate it. So with that I
[26:03] will hand it over to D.
[26:05] >> Thank you. So I'm David Horn, a Duvall
[26:07] resident for about nine years now and as
[26:10] part of transparency, I'm also a member
[26:11] of the Seattle Astronomical Society and
[26:13] the International Dark Sky Association.
[26:15] So I'm here to talk about um how we can
[26:17] make Duvall Washington a dark sky
[26:21] community.
[26:25] So just going to cover a few things
[26:26] basically. What is light pollutions?
[26:27] What's the impacts um to the environment
[26:30] light pollution? Show how light
[26:33] pollution has been increasing over the
[26:34] years. talk about what is responsible
[26:36] about outdoor lighting. What does it
[26:38] mean to be a dark sky community and then
[26:40] talk about how we would move forward
[26:42] with a proposed dark sky ordinance for
[26:44] the city. So starting out with the first
[26:47] basically what is light pollution? I
[26:48] think most people know what this is.
[26:49] It's just technically humanmade
[26:52] alteration of outdoor light levels um
[26:54] from those occurring naturally which
[26:56] causes ob excessive brightness that
[26:58] causes visual discomfort and glare. Um,
[27:00] sky glow, which is the big one we see.
[27:02] We can even see from Redmond's a
[27:04] brightening of the night sky over
[27:05] inhabited areas. Light trespass where
[27:07] light is going, you know, where it's not
[27:09] supposed to be. Your neighbor's driveway
[27:11] light is moving in your backyard. That
[27:13] would be light trespass. Um, and then
[27:15] clutter where it's just just way too
[27:17] much lighting. It's bright confusing and
[27:18] excessive uh grouping. Um, so what are
[27:21] the impacts um of light pollution? So
[27:25] many ma mainly around um to talk about
[27:28] human human health and well-being. So it
[27:30] affects creating rhythm disruptions,
[27:32] decreased melatonin production, glares
[27:34] and you know impaired vision. Most of
[27:36] the studies to this date are all about,
[27:38] you know, internal lighting and there's
[27:39] ongoing studies about external lighting
[27:41] and how that's changing and so that's
[27:42] not definitive yet. But we do know it
[27:44] affects wildlife and ecosystems. Um, you
[27:47] know, bats, owls, migrated, birds, um,
[27:49] anything that's, you know, doing
[27:51] reproduction reproduction and nocturnal
[27:53] powers, you know, especially around us,
[27:56] around farmland, bees, insects, and
[27:58] pollinators are all attracted to
[28:00] cellulites and it affects um our rural
[28:02] community as well. Um, crime and safety.
[28:04] So it doesn't you have a lot of lights
[28:06] doesn't mean you're safest because
[28:08] there's poor lighting can create glare.
[28:11] So you can't really see what's going on
[28:12] in the glare, but it's better to have a
[28:14] light that turns off by motion timer um
[28:17] by motion sensor. You know, just because
[28:19] you have light, you know, for light sake
[28:20] doesn't make things safer. Um and then
[28:23] on the road just it affects driving. I
[28:24] know when we first moved from sodium
[28:26] vapor lights to LEDs, just driving home
[28:29] in my neighborhood, it was like it was
[28:30] overwhelming. You know, we've gotten
[28:31] used to it over a while. it's really
[28:33] impacted our our night skies. Um, and I
[28:35] can point to tons of studies on this.
[28:37] And then just energy and climate change.
[28:38] You know, we waste billions of dollars
[28:40] nationwide on, you know, 30% of light we
[28:42] just don't even need. Um, and it
[28:45] contributes to just more energy usage
[28:47] overall. So, good stuff here. So, how's
[28:51] this impact Duvall? So, here's a light
[28:54] gradient view of Duvall from 2012 to
[28:57] 2025. And you'll see the different
[28:59] colors there. On the top is a scale
[29:01] known as the bortal scale. We're at
[29:02] completely dark sky. Middle of the ocean
[29:05] is going to be a one and downtown New
[29:07] York City or downtown Seattle is going
[29:09] to be a nine. So we're right now we're
[29:11] about a 5.6. Of the five star parties
[29:14] that Seattle Astro does across the
[29:16] region, we're tied. Don't follow me.
[29:17] It's 5.6. We're the we're one of the
[29:19] darkest skies. And you can see it just
[29:21] used to be downtown in 2012. And you see
[29:23] how with the growth of the city and with
[29:25] the street lights going from sodium
[29:27] vapor to LEDs which are much brighter in
[29:29] full spectrum that gradient has has
[29:31] grown and just covered the entire city
[29:34] region. Even you know we go out ball
[29:35] fields down there in the brown on the
[29:37] right side on the left is under the
[29:39] yellow side. Um when I first moved here
[29:41] 9 years ago I could sit on my back dej I
[29:43] could see the Milky Way. I can see the
[29:44] dark lanes. I can barely see the Milky
[29:46] Way just in that short amount of time
[29:47] just because of the growth of the city.
[29:48] The switch to LEDs. So this just shows
[29:50] you over time how it's growing. You can
[29:52] see how Redmond is encroaching.
[29:53] Redmond's getting bigger. It's growing.
[29:55] Uh it's it's our biggest sky glow is
[29:58] actually Redmond when we're out at the
[29:59] stargazing events.
[30:02] So that's a little bit about how it's
[30:04] >> [clears throat]
[30:04] >> um changed over time. Um I think what we
[30:08] can do is if we had an ordinance and we
[30:12] really, you know, changed the LEDs and
[30:14] we changed and we did everything we were
[30:15] supposed to do, I think we get down to
[30:17] like a bordal 4.5, which would be a like
[30:19] a rural um community. we could, you
[30:21] know, have a beautiful, beautiful night
[30:22] sky.
[30:25] And if we can set an example for other
[30:26] communities around us, we can just get
[30:28] the ball rolling and be the first and uh just make the whole Snomi Valley
[30:32] even better. I did run into Sarah Perry.
[30:34] She came to Dubal days at my booth and
[30:36] she knew all about bats and migrating
[30:38] birds. She goes, "If you can do this in
[30:40] Duvall, let me know because I want to do
[30:42] my whole district, you know, let's just
[30:44] have the starting point." So, it's great
[30:45] support even from King County uh level
[30:48] administration. So, um, so this is just
[30:51] a nice little graphic about what a good
[30:53] light looks like. So, of course, we
[30:55] don't want lights illuminating the sky
[30:57] directly. We want a nice, um, light that
[31:00] has at least 80° and below is, you know,
[31:03] you're not you're not uh illuminating
[31:05] anything above that 80° from the ground,
[31:07] right? Or from from perpendicular here.
[31:08] Um, and of course, the best light at all
[31:10] is one that's not used, not on, turned
[31:11] off, and not needed or it's on a motion
[31:13] sensor.
[31:16] Um so there's basically there's five
[31:18] principles to do this. You know the
[31:19] light should be only used if it's
[31:21] needed. It should be targeted only
[31:23] illuminated what's um needs to be lit
[31:26] up. It should be a low level like only
[31:28] like 3,000 Kelvin so it's a a warmer
[31:30] temperature um and you know should be
[31:33] controlled put it on a timer put it on a
[31:34] motion sensor and um and yeah warm color
[31:38] and low level are kind of go together.
[31:40] But those are five principles of what needs to change um to uh
[31:46] have a low lower level of light
[31:47] pollution.
[31:50] Um so what does it mean to be a dark sky
[31:52] community? So the international dark sky
[31:54] association recognizes certain locations
[31:57] whether it's a a park reserve sanctuary,
[32:00] a city, a community or or smaller
[32:02] community um that you can be certified
[32:05] as being a dark sky. You know, you can
[32:07] put that on there. They get on the map.
[32:08] It's a place to visit. It helps with
[32:11] astro tourism. So in the United States,
[32:14] there are 42 communities, you know,
[32:16] cities and towns that are recognized by
[32:18] the IDA. There's only two in Oregon and
[32:20] only two in Idaho. I was surprised to
[32:21] see u and there's none in Washington.
[32:24] So, uh, chance to start something going
[32:27] in Washington. Um, and to be dark side
[32:30] certified, you don't have to be a portal
[32:32] 2 or something. All you have to do is
[32:35] have a policy, you know, make some the
[32:37] appropriate lighting refits, have an
[32:39] education program, um, and then just
[32:41] continually monitor it to make sure it's
[32:43] just not getting worse. It's getting
[32:44] better over time. And you don't even
[32:46] necessarily have to force the ordinance
[32:48] onto residents because the biggest light
[32:50] polluters are street lights. It's the
[32:52] industry and communities. And if you
[32:54] just educate the rest of the community,
[32:55] they they should, you know, they'll
[32:57] agree and say, "Yeah, I'm going to I can
[32:58] update my my lights on my porch and make
[33:00] sure they're not um setting it out." So,
[33:02] I don't think we would need to go that
[33:04] far. Plus, it's hard to enforce at that
[33:06] level anyway. So, um so I was thinking
[33:08] about that and something new that Cindy
[33:09] we hadn't talked about yet, but I think
[33:11] we wouldn't need to do that. Um so,
[33:14] where do we go from here? So, propose is
[33:17] city ordinance, but I I have given a
[33:19] draft to Cynthia McNab. We take a look
[33:21] at that to start with. um to regulate
[33:24] outdoor lighting. So what this will do
[33:26] will bring back the night skies in Dubal
[33:28] to improve health safety and bring back
[33:31] our rural heritage of dark dark rural
[33:34] skies. Um we could prepare Dubal to
[33:36] become an IDA certified dark sky
[33:38] community which would be huge for I
[33:40] think that help tourism people more
[33:42] people would come for star parties. um
[33:44] people might want to live here in a dark
[33:46] sky, right? That they people come to
[33:47] Dubal because of the rural in the
[33:49] community. Um and then inspire other
[33:52] nearby communities to do the same so
[33:54] that we can get the horizon and just
[33:56] make life better for everybody. Um um so
[33:59] the steps to execute this so first step
[34:01] is to look at the policy, get it
[34:02] written, get it uh reviewed uh by the
[34:05] council and everybody to vote on it. Um
[34:08] this would also include exceptions for
[34:10] you know seasonal holiday lighting of
[34:11] course. So, we're not saying the whole
[34:13] city goes dark. We certainly have
[34:14] lights. We're just going to reduce them
[34:16] and have them aim properly. And there
[34:17] would be, you know, um exceptions for
[34:21] such things as that. Um so, and then
[34:23] once that's done, then you start on the
[34:25] retrofit process. Maybe we start with a
[34:27] pilot area in the city to start with to
[34:29] see if we can, you know, drop the light
[34:31] pollution in that area. See how that
[34:33] goes, get some lessons learned there
[34:34] before we roll it out across the rest of
[34:36] the community. Um and then we would
[34:38] continuing with outreach and education.
[34:40] We're already doing that. we have
[34:41] stargazing events. We could still, you
[34:42] know, could do that working with the
[34:43] schools, bring in students, um, you
[34:46] know, educate them as well. But that's
[34:48] an ongoing thing as part of being
[34:50] certified. And then you just keep
[34:51] monitoring to see if it's getting worse.
[34:52] It's getting better. If it's getting
[34:53] worse, what are we doing wrong? How can
[34:55] we fix it? If it's getting better, well,
[34:57] let's share that with other communities
[34:58] as well. So, that would be um how we
[35:00] would um go apart in four steps, you
[35:03] know, to this process.
[35:05] And then last of all, I just want to
[35:07] thank everybody for letting me speak
[35:08] today. And I love the artwork at the
[35:11] good ball fields. It turned out
[35:13] fantastic.
[35:15] >> Thank you. Any questions for David from
[35:18] council?
[35:20] >> Council member.
[35:22] >> Yeah. Are you aware of a city in
[35:24] somewhere in Scandinavia that replaced
[35:26] their sodium or LEDs with red lighting?
[35:30] >> Yes. Yes, I have seen that. Yeah.
[35:31] >> Yeah. So, um,
[35:33] >> and that's because of a certain bat, I
[35:35] think,
[35:36] >> was crossing this one area of road, this
[35:38] one highway, and they just put it on
[35:40] that section so the bat migrations would
[35:41] continue. So, yeah.
[35:43] >> Okay. Would that um red LED lighting,
[35:46] would that decrease the amount of light
[35:48] pollution or
[35:49] >> absolutely do it. And I would love to
[35:51] see when the when the um ball fields get
[35:53] expanded that we have some red lighting
[35:55] for for our stargazing nights so people
[35:57] can get from their cars to the to the
[35:59] field without using flashlights and
[36:01] stuff. So I think in certain areas it
[36:02] makes sense but not not the whole city
[36:04] would be red but yeah.
[36:07] >> Yeah.
[36:09] Council member
[36:11] >> uh so back when I was living in in Texas
[36:14] I actually used to go to a little place
[36:15] called Howard Well about 200 miles out
[36:17] of Austin just for the night sky. And I
[36:20] so I really appreciate this because if
[36:21] you ain't never seen a black sky
[36:24] >> it's amazing.
[36:25] >> Texas has a lot of dark sky. Uh there's
[36:27] one in San Antonio specifically that I'm
[36:31] thinking about which was just north of
[36:32] Camp Bullis. It is it was I don't think
[36:35] it was like a dark sky initiative. It
[36:37] was actually Camp Bolis imposed this on
[36:39] people there.
[36:40] >> Uh where they had uh had to decrease the
[36:43] amount of light there. There was a lot
[36:44] of push back for that.
[36:46] >> Uh is that something that you've kind of
[36:49] touched on that we might not have to
[36:51] worry about that here? we don't have to
[36:52] do too too much uh regulation of private
[36:55] lighting. Uh but is this something that
[36:59] we would want to do or think about doing
[37:02] in the future?
[37:02] >> I think we might think about it, right?
[37:04] So if you you got a neighbor, I've got
[37:06] neighbors, you know, I can go talk to
[37:07] them and say, "Hey, would you consider
[37:09] these light? I might even buy it for
[37:10] you, right? Because you're my neighbor."
[37:12] Um but I think yeah, if this trespassing
[37:15] there's and there may be already a rule
[37:17] about trespassing, you know, you can't
[37:19] just shine a bright spotlight in your
[37:20] neighbor's yard, right? there. I I'd be
[37:22] curious to see what's already on the
[37:23] books for that. Um and it needed to be
[37:26] changed. But yeah, good point. Yeah.
[37:29] >> Um curious whether this is a question
[37:32] you may weigh in, David, but for the
[37:33] city administrator. I know that, you
[37:36] know, this is kind of one of those
[37:37] examples of unintended consequences a
[37:39] little bit is the city made worked with
[37:41] PSD. There was some investment to get
[37:43] rid of sort of the the gas lights to the
[37:45] LED. And part of that was around longer
[37:48] lifespan, fewer, you know, short not
[37:50] having to replace the lights as often,
[37:52] but but as I think David indicated,
[37:55] there's actually it's a brighter light,
[37:56] so there's some unintended consequences.
[37:59] Um there's obviously some potential
[38:01] opportunities right now where we do some
[38:04] of the sky watching events whether it's
[38:06] Big Rock Park or to pilot some of this
[38:08] but I was just curious if you could
[38:10] weigh in a little bit in terms of if we
[38:12] did want to pilot you know potential
[38:14] cost and if I'm putting you on the spot
[38:16] that's okay too we can revisit this
[38:18] later when we talk about you know
[38:19] potential ordinance as well.
[38:21] >> Yeah. So, I haven't um priced out both
[38:26] the what PSC may um ask for the city to,
[38:33] you know, contribute if we're asking PSC
[38:35] to replace um some of their
[38:37] infrastructure or lighting. Um so, I
[38:41] haven't started pricing it. I think
[38:44] really the next step will be does
[38:46] council want uh me to work with the
[38:49] draft ordinance and come back with a
[38:52] draft in a pilot area. Um and then we
[38:56] can start talking about the cost of that
[38:57] once we get an ordinance that is a first
[39:01] step. Um and then of course also working
[39:03] with the public works department because
[39:05] they would know far better than I would
[39:07] what infrastructure we have out there
[39:09] for lighting and what would need to
[39:10] change. Um and then also to making sure
[39:13] that we're involving um chief uh you
[39:16] know some areas
[39:18] >> public safety
[39:18] >> there's a public safety component. So
[39:20] where wherever we select to pilot it and
[39:23] begin the process of kind of converting
[39:26] we want to make sure that we're choosing
[39:28] an area that is appropriate from a
[39:31] public safety perspective.
[39:35] >> So is there out there?
[39:36] >> Oh is it okay? I saw another hand
[39:39] though, but it's down [clears throat]
[39:40] now, so I'm not sure. Um,
[39:43] >> um, David, I my background is biology,
[39:46] so I'm obviously very excited about
[39:47] this, but I there are real concerns, you
[39:50] know, in how you phase it or how you do
[39:52] it in a way, and I think education is a
[39:54] really big piece of that as well. Um, so
[39:56] I'm really interested to the the pilot
[39:59] idea and and how you choose the um the
[40:02] area. So we had habitat corridors and if
[40:05] that's a consideration of there are some
[40:07] areas that might have a higher impact to
[40:09] wildlife and focus on those. I think
[40:11] that might also correspond with areas
[40:13] that are less um need in need of light
[40:16] for safety reasons. But I'm especially
[40:17] interested too in like motion detection
[40:20] lighting. Um because we do have this
[40:22] very long main street with all these
[40:24] light but you know at 2 a.m. you know I
[40:27] mean there are some people that go
[40:29] walking at this hour night but
[40:31] especially when it's thought out. So I'd
[40:32] be really interested in how we would
[40:34] what data we would use or maybe you have
[40:36] some insight there to look at a map and
[40:39] say this could be one of the most
[40:40] beneficial areas you know and then
[40:42] overlay that with the other concerns as
[40:44] well.
[40:46] I would say just first off the top of my
[40:48] head there just is go around the edges
[40:49] of where we saw that chart to see if we
[40:51] could decrease it right you could
[40:53] visually see a decrease from satellite
[40:55] views just on the edges would be the
[40:56] best place to start and also as far as
[40:59] replacing all those LEDs I think what
[41:00] you could do temporarily is put a filter
[41:02] on them and then as those burn out
[41:03] replace them with a lower temperature
[41:05] >> that might be a more affordable way to
[41:07] do it.
[41:07] >> Yeah.
[41:10] Council member Owen, Council Member
[41:11] Wiggins, any comments?
[41:16] » Yeah, I mean, I I I love this. I'm in
[41:18] favor of it. Um I would love to to to
[41:21] see this move forward. I thank you, you
[41:23] know, for all your work on this so far,
[41:25] David. And um I did go through the the draft policy and I mean I had some
[41:31] ideas and some thoughts but if if
[41:34] administrator McNav if you're going to
[41:35] kind of do another draft of that then I
[41:38] can wait before I provide any feedback
[41:40] or if it would be helpful I mean I'm
[41:42] happy to email over. I just had a few
[41:44] thoughts about how to how to approach
[41:45] some of the things that were in there
[41:46] now. Um but big picture I love it. I'm
[41:50] happy that we're talking about this and
[41:52] um tourism benefit. Sure. That's great.
[41:55] I would love that. But um really the
[41:57] environmental benefit really, you know,
[41:59] stands out to me and and so yeah, I'm
[42:02] all for this.
[42:06] >> Just it sounds like a straw poll a
[42:07] little bit for direction for the city
[42:09] administrator. There's interest amongst
[42:11] council. So I'd love to hear your point
[42:13] of view as well.
[42:15] >> Uh love the idea. Thank you, David, for
[42:17] coming out. I was curious um how big of
[42:19] a area do we need to uh focus on for
[42:23] retrofit in order to qualify for one of
[42:25] being the first communities in
[42:26] Washington? I really want us to be the
[42:28] first community in Washington.
[42:29] [laughter]
[42:30] How big of a square footage do you need
[42:33] for us to and and my other question was
[42:36] are we going after the residents as well
[42:38] to do something uh with their homes
[42:40] rather than just public rightways? Are
[42:42] we going to ask our residents to do
[42:43] something as well to help out here?
[42:45] What's your thoughts on that? you
[42:47] touched on that but
[42:48] >> yeah so two questions there so as far I
[42:50] think the whole city is what we want to
[42:51] end up doing right to get get certified
[42:53] it has to be the whole boundaries of
[42:55] your city right so unless you wanted to
[42:57] carve out a centary and say this is
[42:59] Duvall west or something and we're going
[43:01] to make this or do all east is going to
[43:03] be but it's the whole city is pretty and
[43:06] you don't have to be there you just have
[43:07] to start the process start the retrofit
[43:09] it takes about one to three years to get
[43:10] a certification because they're going to
[43:12] watch how you're doing it watch your
[43:13] progress and then once you met you know
[43:15] once you've got all those luminires and
[43:17] lights change and you got the hoods on
[43:19] them and the shields then um then yeah
[43:22] then you can get the certifications.
[43:23] That's kind of the area effect. As far
[43:26] as residents that first 2012 image you
[43:29] saw that was you know before you know
[43:31] the LEDs that was the biggest factor is
[43:33] the street lighting um and the fact that
[43:35] the town is growing too but that's not
[43:37] so much residents maybe some of the big
[43:38] apartment complexes but what I've seen
[43:40] most of the new complexes are pretty
[43:42] good lighting as well. So, um I think
[43:45] for the residents,
[43:47] um you know, a vote and maybe it would
[43:50] pass. A lot of people are for this, but
[43:51] they feel forced to do it. But I think
[43:53] if it's voluntary and you just use your neighbors, you know, work with your
[43:56] neighbors, I think that's I think that
[43:57] would be enough to start.
[44:01] » Council member, it sounded like you were
[44:03] for this based on
[44:06] >> So, I would say, you know, it sounds
[44:07] like you have some consensus. Um
[44:09] probably don't get too deep obviously
[44:11] into it. if we need to adjust the work
[44:13] plan, but um at least some initial
[44:15] direction.
[44:17] >> Yeah, perfect. Thank you. And I've been
[44:19] taking notes on some ideas like I really
[44:21] like the idea of kind of starting with
[44:23] the areas around habitat corridors
[44:25] >> um as a way to kind of begin laying out
[44:29] where we can um start doing the work.
[44:33] And I think residents that live near
[44:35] those habitat corridors would probably
[44:38] be keen on voluntary compliance is my
[44:40] sense. Um, but yes, I will take a look.
[44:43] Um, I don't have a timeline in mind yet.
[44:46] Got some other things going on. Um, but
[44:48] I will be sure in the fall to uh
[44:52] bring back a draft.
[44:54] >> I appreciate the feedback on the the
[44:56] filter. So, it's not at all or nothing.
[44:58] It might be some partial mitigation we
[44:59] can do. Um, Council Member Wiggins, can
[45:01] you have a final comment?
[45:02] >> One more one more follow. Hey, David,
[45:04] are there any other cities in Washington
[45:05] that are going after this? Uh,
[45:08] >> also
[45:10] are we are we in a race, buddy?
[45:13] >> There are some on the eastern Washington
[45:14] there are some dark sky locations the
[45:16] astronomers go to. I mean it's like the
[45:17] Golden Dale Sky Village. They haven't
[45:19] you know they could get this
[45:20] certification if they wanted to but they
[45:22] haven't done it. So it's not on the on
[45:24] the list yet. So
[45:25] >> okay,
[45:26] >> we're not going to beat them because
[45:27] it's truly out in the middle of nowhere.
[45:29] But
[45:30] >> as far as a city goes, we would be the
[45:31] first.
[45:33] >> Well, thank you. Appreciate it.
[45:35] >> Thank you. Any comment?
[45:37] >> Uh, no we don't take there's a public
[45:40] comment period. We don't take public
[45:42] comments. Thank you.
[45:44] >> Thank you.
[45:48] » Uh, well that actually concludes our
[45:53] four regular discussion items. We do
[45:55] have some time about 45 minutes before
[45:57] the meeting. So we can move into some
[45:59] mayor and city administrator and council
[46:01] reports and then see where we are.
[46:06] What do you want to do? Oh, do you want
[46:08] to do my report first?
[46:10] >> Just trying to see that. Well, mayor's
[46:12] report is first. You don't have to go
[46:13] first if you don't want to.
[46:16] >> The only thing I was thinking of though
[46:17] is one part of this is talking about the
[46:19] meeting with the King County Executive.
[46:21] Should we cover that here and then high
[46:23] like I'm just wondering people knew that
[46:25] it was happening at the county. That one
[46:27] part I should save or because I have a
[46:30] lot of other things I can go through. I
[46:32] don't know. Yeah, I mean
[46:34] >> I could save that part for the council
[46:36] meeting
[46:38] that way.
[46:39] >> Some may not come to the council.
[46:41] >> So, I'll do all of my report except for
[46:44] the meeting with the King County
[46:45] Executive just so that since we did let
[46:47] some people know we were doing that at
[46:48] the council meeting that it'll happen
[46:50] then. So, I'll tell you everything else
[46:52] that I did. Um, so I attended both the
[46:55] remaining summer stage concerts in July.
[46:57] So, remember we didn't have a council
[46:59] meeting earlier this month. So, a lot of
[47:01] time has passed. Um, and so just a huge
[47:03] thank you to our communications and
[47:05] community events manager. Rita, perfect
[47:07] that you're here. Um, for managing such
[47:09] a wonderful summer stage series this
[47:11] year. I heard compliments from every
[47:13] band that we had. They just thought the
[47:15] setup was wonderful and you were just
[47:16] such a great person to manage it and
[47:18] help them out with everything they
[47:19] needed. Um, of course it was super
[47:21] disappointing. We had to cancel that
[47:23] last one and national night out uh just
[47:25] due to wildfire smoke, but of course
[47:27] it's always vital to um in unsafe
[47:29] conditions to not encourage people to be
[47:31] outside. And then of course for our
[47:32] staff as well. I attended the Swami
[47:35] Valley Oops, I just zoomed in and
[47:38] something crazy. Sorry. Um I attended
[47:41] the Snowqualami Valley local advocacy
[47:43] group which consists of all the human
[47:44] service providers in the Snowqualami
[47:46] Valley as well as the mayors and it was
[47:49] just an informative um meeting and more
[47:52] casual meetup to get to know each other
[47:54] to hear about all the different services
[47:56] that are available in the valley um as
[47:58] well as their needs. Um of course they
[48:00] are always looking for funding. So we
[48:03] you know my advice to them was to not be
[48:04] shy about asking because we just you
[48:06] know we're used to talking about budget
[48:08] and things like that. So, it would just
[48:09] help for them to be forward with asking
[48:11] for their needs. They may not get them,
[48:12] of course, but just to be blunt about
[48:14] it. Um, and as mayors, we were asked to
[48:17] give our advice on how to best
[48:19] communicate with councils. And so, I
[48:20] personally told them to make sure and at
[48:22] least come once a year so that, you
[48:24] know, new council members come in all
[48:26] the time so that they know you exist and
[48:28] what you do and um, go from there. I
[48:31] attended the Snowy Valley Preservation
[48:33] Alliance Taste of the Valley dinner. Um,
[48:36] this organization provides vital
[48:37] advocacy and support to local farmers
[48:39] and this was especially highlighted
[48:41] during the devastating December 2025
[48:43] flood event. But it was a great event.
[48:45] Um, I continue to attend SVGA which is
[48:49] Snowquali Valley Government Association
[48:50] planning meetings as vice president with
[48:52] our president Jolene Williams with the
[48:54] Snowquali tribe as well as Mayor Miller
[48:56] from Northbend and Deputy Mayor Marisan
[48:58] from Carnation. the September meeting
[49:02] which is going to be in Duvall. I just I
[49:03] think we haven't fully connected on that
[49:06] but um we're likely going to do roundts
[49:08] for the cities to discuss their
[49:10] priorities and that will be a way for us
[49:12] to find any overlaps between our cities
[49:14] which I'm sure there's a lot and then we
[49:16] can group together for more effective
[49:18] advocacy u with the county and the
[49:20] state. So if I know what Carnation and
[49:22] North Ben and Snow Call me needs when
[49:24] I'm talking to legislators I can also
[49:25] echo some of those concerns.
[49:28] I was reertified for CPR and first aid
[49:30] in a class with our emergency management
[49:33] coordinator, Luke. He has a fantastic
[49:35] class. So, if you haven't done it yet
[49:38] and next time he has one opening, um,
[49:40] just sign up and attend if you can. I
[49:43] continue to attend the Sound Cities
[49:44] Association board legislative committee
[49:46] meetings. Um, and I'm always adding a
[49:49] small city perspective to the future um,
[49:51] advocacy platform.
[49:53] I attended the Sound Cities Association
[49:56] King County Flood Control District
[49:58] Advisory Committee. I think that is the
[49:59] longest acronym of a committee I'm in
[50:02] meeting. We're working on our
[50:03] recommendation letter to the KCFCD board
[50:06] um just around budget and funding and
[50:08] all that fun stuff. Mayor Prom Mercer,
[50:10] city administrator McNab, and myself met
[50:13] with uh the King County Regional
[50:15] Representative from the governor's
[50:16] office. We had a really productive
[50:18] meeting and we covered a ton of topic
[50:20] top topics of concern for our city.
[50:22] We're using this connection to make
[50:24] progress on coordinating the
[50:26] intersection signals of West Palmi Road,
[50:28] Wooden Buildy Ball Road, which is King
[50:30] County, and Highway 203, Wooden Buildy
[50:32] Ball Road, which is Washdog. Um,
[50:34] especially during flooding events. Um,
[50:36] we made it clear to them those signals
[50:38] do not communicate and just make uh that
[50:40] worse. We also highlighted some of the
[50:41] issues with the main street wooden build
[50:44] road intersection, not just accidents
[50:46] with the misalignment, but also the
[50:48] signal control and that it's very manual
[50:50] and it would be nice to get some
[50:51] attention to that. So, um, he was very
[50:53] interested in those because they seem
[50:54] like they could be quicker fixes. So, I
[50:56] was excited about his reaction to that.
[50:58] Um, I attended one of our parks advisory
[51:01] commission meetings and I spoke to the
[51:03] commissioners about the purpose of the
[51:04] PC as well as some of my hopes for it
[51:07] and I'm really excited about their
[51:09] enthusiasm and some of the ideas they've
[51:10] brought to the table. One of the ones
[51:13] I'm especially excited about is re um
[51:15] reactivating Big Rock, the small Big
[51:17] Rock Park down by Safeway. I think that
[51:19] would be a really fun thing to see
[51:21] happen. Uh, okay. I attended the town
[51:25] city association north mayor's meeting.
[51:27] just the usual what's going on in your
[51:29] city and and just some things I there's
[51:31] a lot of talk about electric motorcycles
[51:33] and ebikes and all that fun stuff. So,
[51:35] we're all feeling the pain. Um my last
[51:38] mayor meet up I had was at Two Moon Park
[51:40] North. There were a ton of families
[51:42] there during the day just enjoying the
[51:43] park and the weather and it was a great
[51:45] setting. And then I've just scheduled
[51:47] the rest of the 2026 mayor meetup dates
[51:50] which reminded me how quickly this year
[51:51] is going. Um I attended the cultural
[51:54] mission art celebration. So again,
[51:55] thanks to Cynthia and Rita for that. You
[51:58] do so much work with that and um I just
[52:00] want to call that out even though I know
[52:02] you probably don't want me to, but it's
[52:04] really important and it just wouldn't
[52:05] get done without you. It was really well
[52:07] attended uh and it was a great showcase
[52:09] of completed works of art and I will
[52:10] just lightly touch on it in case this is
[52:12] in your administrator report, but some
[52:13] of the art's still on the walls and
[52:15] around. I don't know if you're talking
[52:16] about that. Oh, okay. Well, there was a
[52:18] photography contest and it's still up
[52:20] and you can enjoy it. And then those are
[52:21] the new uh little art libraries up in
[52:24] the front room um that are going to be
[52:26] going in a couple different locations in
[52:28] the city. I'm really excited about that.
[52:30] I attended a SBA mayor's lunchon with
[52:33] Challenge Seattle that is headed up by
[52:35] former Governor Christine Gregoire.
[52:37] Challenge Seattle is developing a
[52:38] playbook for local jurisdictions to
[52:40] improve the culture of partnership and
[52:42] strengthen the Pacific Northwest
[52:43] economy. um they're developing this
[52:45] playbook and there were a lot of things
[52:47] in it you'll be pleased to hear that say
[52:49] this is not a budget line item there are
[52:52] a lot of uh free things you know just
[52:54] takes my time but um that can be done so
[52:57] I'm I'm looking at that and and thinking
[52:59] about what I can do in our city alone so
[53:02] uh city administrator McNav and myself
[53:03] met with the Monroe mayor um CUBAC
[53:06] regarding transportation advocacy that's
[53:08] one of her passions and so we're working
[53:10] on more coordination between our cities
[53:12] and more to come on that But I was
[53:14] really excited to make that connection
[53:15] because I think historically we have
[53:17] slightly uh interacted but um just new
[53:21] administrations and we're excited to
[53:23] connect and and make some progress on
[53:24] some things. And then the last thing I
[53:26] have is the meeting with uh King County
[53:28] Executive Zakali and I will save that um
[53:32] so I'll have a mini mayor's report for
[53:33] the city council meeting.
[53:36] >> Thank you. Uh that I will turn it over
[53:39] to city administrator McNab for the the
[53:42] city administrator update.
[53:44] >> Thank you. Um we're going to go in a
[53:48] different order tonight.
[53:50] [laughter]
[53:51] >> Not going to be first L.
[53:55] >> Um and it's not because Lissa's here.
[53:56] The public works is lab. [laughter]
[53:59] Cynthia McNab, city administrator, happy
[54:02] to write our report. Uh so couple
[54:05] things. The parks advisory commission
[54:07] launched a community survey this week to
[54:10] request feedback on King County's Duval
[54:13] Park. So for those of you who don't
[54:15] travel south very often, um as soon as
[54:18] you leave city limits and you're heading
[54:20] towards Carnation, there's a park on the
[54:22] right that is a King County park as
[54:24] opposed to a Duval park. Um the uh city
[54:28] of Duvall doesn't invest in that. It's
[54:30] uh purely King County. So, we're trying
[54:33] to get feedback from our community that
[54:35] we can provide to the executive and King
[54:38] County parks on advocating for some
[54:41] investment in that Duvall park beyond
[54:44] basic maintenance. One thing to know
[54:46] though, it isn't heavily constrained
[54:48] with weather. And so while there are a
[54:51] lot of things we would love to have as
[54:53] park amenities in our community, there
[54:55] are some things so that as much as we
[54:57] may have hopes and dreams that space
[54:59] cannot be used for. So it really has to
[55:01] be passive recreation at the most, maybe
[55:06] frisbee or disc golf, but um it really,
[55:11] you know, some boardwalks, some trails.
[55:13] So, uh, the survey really is asking for
[55:16] those passive recreation ideas because
[55:20] there's no way that we can do sports
[55:22] fields and the county has basically said
[55:24] those ideas are off the table. So, we're
[55:27] looking for other investments that will
[55:29] provide an amenity to our community
[55:31] since it sits right at our back door.
[55:34] Uh, we're finalizing the community
[55:36] feedback for the Third Avenue project.
[55:38] So, we've applied for a transportation
[55:41] um improvement board project. We apply
[55:45] often. Um we submit Third Avenue for
[55:48] that project. The board doesn't love the
[55:50] project. Um is what we've been told
[55:53] using those words. They don't love our
[55:54] project. Um, so we're taking a different
[55:56] tack this year and we're trying to get
[55:57] community feedback to tell the story
[55:59] about why Third Avenue is so important
[56:02] to our community and also why it meets
[56:05] why we believe it meets the program and
[56:08] we believe it does. So we'll be sending
[56:10] some of that feedback. We got really
[56:11] great response. So, we're going to um
[56:14] look through that feedback, provide an
[56:17] executive summary to send not only um
[56:19] with our grant request, but to the board
[56:22] who takes a look at the projects and
[56:24] selects what projects uh should be
[56:26] funded and at what amount.
[56:29] I'm meeting with the Riverview School
[56:31] District next Monday, August 24th, to
[56:33] begin discussion about the school
[56:35] resource officer background. And as a
[56:38] reminder, the funding for that position
[56:40] expired on December 31st, 2025. The city
[56:44] has been carrying the entire expense for
[56:46] the SRO for 2026. So, we just want to
[56:49] have a conversation about
[56:52] uh funding for the position, future for
[56:54] the position. Chief's going to join me
[56:56] in that meeting. Thank you, Chief. And
[56:58] uh we look forward to that conversation.
[57:01] Uh yesterday the Carnation city manager
[57:04] Rhonda and I met with the King County
[57:06] Housing Authority uh to discuss housing
[57:09] inventory and future federal and county
[57:11] projects in the snow pali valley. So
[57:13] this is not the King County Regional
[57:16] Homeless Authority. So that's a separate
[57:19] entity. This is the King County Housing
[57:22] Authority which is not part of King
[57:24] County. It's not a department of King
[57:26] County. It's a separate well they're not
[57:29] a they're a special district but not a
[57:31] special taxing district. They don't
[57:34] generate taxes but they basically are
[57:36] passed through a federal HUD funding for
[57:40] um housing projects and uh they had a
[57:44] map and I'll share at the next council
[57:45] meeting because I haven't had an
[57:46] opportunity to scan it yet. Um they have
[57:49] a map of all their projects in King
[57:51] County and um interesting to note
[57:56] there's not a single Snowquali Valley
[57:58] city on the map. So not only are there
[58:01] no projects out here, we're not even on
[58:02] their map. And so the closest that we
[58:06] have of one of these programs that is
[58:08] federally funded is the new program
[58:10] that's going in in the city of Isiqua.
[58:13] And they have a small senior project
[58:15] they said in North Bend. But one, we
[58:17] need some calamie valley to be on their
[58:19] map and be a area of focus and
[58:21] attention. So, it's a really good first
[58:23] conversation. They're going to send us
[58:25] some data on how many people in the
[58:28] valley access section 8 and some of
[58:31] those HUD programs so we can start the
[58:33] conversation about how potentially to
[58:35] have you know some projects come to the
[58:38] valley that support um probably specific
[58:41] communities just because we don't have
[58:43] the land for you know a big massive HUD
[58:46] project but we do have opportunity for a
[58:48] small senior housing project like the
[58:50] one in Carnation and so it was a really
[58:52] good first conversation we're looking
[58:53] forward to continuing that dialogue.
[58:57] Uh, next slide.
[59:00] >> So, uh, I wrote this, but it might be a
[59:02] different day. Uh, so we're working with
[59:04] the farmers market, uh, to reschedu the
[59:07] children's market. So, they've offered
[59:09] to host it in conjunction at uh,
[59:13] Taylor's Landing with their farmers
[59:15] market. Initially, we thought maybe next
[59:17] week would work, but it looks like we
[59:19] might have to push that into September.
[59:21] Um the biggest issue is school will be
[59:23] back in session. So we'll need to make
[59:25] sure that the students can set up uh
[59:29] later uh during the farmers market
[59:31] because farmers market is 3 to 8. So um
[59:34] we'll just figure out the logistics, but
[59:37] um it's a great partnership. Uh Rita is
[59:39] meeting at the farmers market tomorrow
[59:41] to work through all those logistics.
[59:44] As a reminder, lunch with the campers is
[59:47] tomorrow. if you can make it down to
[59:49] Depot Park or McCormack Park. I'm not
[59:51] quite sure. They said McCormack Park.
[59:53] It's traditionally been in depot park,
[59:55] but head down to the water where there
[59:58] are a bunch of little kids.
[1:00:01] Um I'm in collective bargaining all day
[1:00:04] tomorrow with the Dual Police
[1:00:06] Association. So that uh collaboration
[1:00:09] and discussion is continuing with hope
[1:00:11] that we'll have a successor left
[1:00:15] agreement to present to council in the
[1:00:17] next few months. Um on Friday I'm
[1:00:19] meeting with the Sony Valley Senior
[1:00:21] Center to discuss a joint grant we
[1:00:23] received from council member Perry to
[1:00:25] offer senior services in Duval in
[1:00:28] Spanish. So it's pilot program. Excited
[1:00:30] about that. I'm going to pause there.
[1:00:33] That's the updates and then we'll move
[1:00:34] on to the next slide which kind of a
[1:00:36] different topic
[1:00:38] >> questions.
[1:00:41] >> All right.
[1:00:42] >> So wanted to provide some general
[1:00:44] information about public comment. Um had
[1:00:48] a brief discussion with the city
[1:00:50] attorney today on just kind of the who,
[1:00:54] what, where's why on how the city of
[1:00:56] Duvall manages public comment. So, we
[1:00:58] follow best practices for receiving and
[1:01:01] considering public comment. Um, our
[1:01:03] public comment procedures have been
[1:01:05] vetted and reviewed by our city
[1:01:07] attorney's office. We continue to look
[1:01:09] at guidance from MRC, which is kind of
[1:01:11] where all the cities go to for expert uh
[1:01:15] opinions about, you know, anything
[1:01:18] municipal, whether it's public comment.
[1:01:20] And so most of our process for public
[1:01:23] comment has been guided either by
[1:01:26] experts from MRC or our city attorney.
[1:01:30] Um just kind of the framework for best
[1:01:33] practices are couple key components.
[1:01:36] Public home is considered input to city
[1:01:38] council and decision makers but doesn't
[1:01:41] serve as instruction to staff the mayor
[1:01:43] or city council. And that's how we take
[1:01:45] it. we take it as input and not
[1:01:47] instruction to um do a particular thing.
[1:01:51] Uh public comment is considered often
[1:01:53] alongside technical anal analysis, legal
[1:01:56] requirements, adopted policies, adopted
[1:01:59] decisions that city council has made,
[1:02:02] staff recommendation and other public
[1:02:04] input received just beyond public
[1:02:06] comment. Um decision makers agree with
[1:02:10] some comments, may agree, may suggest
[1:02:12] modifying a proposal. um they may not
[1:02:15] seek a request a change based on the
[1:02:17] input they receive. And I think it's
[1:02:20] really worth um calling out any motion
[1:02:23] made by city council that's adopted by a
[1:02:25] majority of council that becomes the
[1:02:28] decision and city staff take that
[1:02:30] decision and that guides our actions. So
[1:02:33] if city council has decided something a
[1:02:35] year ago, two years ago and hasn't
[1:02:37] changed their mind, city staff will
[1:02:39] proceed with the decision that city
[1:02:41] council has made in prior meetings.
[1:02:45] Slide. So thinking about what does
[1:02:48] consider mean? Meaning um all public
[1:02:51] comment is considered in the context of
[1:02:53] an open agenda item. Um comments become
[1:02:57] part of the information that decision
[1:02:58] makers use when they evaluate a
[1:03:00] proposal. Um feedback helps identify
[1:03:03] community concerns, priorities,
[1:03:05] potential impacts of a decision um or a
[1:03:08] decision of council or recommendation um
[1:03:10] from staff for matters before
[1:03:13] commission. So we have a parks, a
[1:03:15] planning, a cultural, we have a library
[1:03:17] board, we have a civil service
[1:03:18] commission. The commissioners consider
[1:03:20] input along with staff analysis,
[1:03:23] planning requirements and other
[1:03:25] information before while they deliberate
[1:03:27] and before making a decision.
[1:03:30] um our best practice which we follow at
[1:03:32] city council considers a full record
[1:03:34] when making its final decision. So
[1:03:36] that's why we try to get um all comments
[1:03:38] that we receive by noon um to council so
[1:03:41] you all have it before you make
[1:03:43] decisions on agenda items and then you
[1:03:46] know considering feedback does not mean
[1:03:47] every request to change will be adopted
[1:03:50] and then final decisions will reflect
[1:03:52] some all or none of the suggestions and
[1:03:56] comment received.
[1:03:58] So that's the framework we have here in
[1:04:00] Duvall.
[1:04:02] And then um I think next slide it's
[1:04:05] worth highlighting because um we're
[1:04:07] talking a lot about the comprehensive
[1:04:09] plan. So the comprehensive plan actually
[1:04:13] dates back to 2024.
[1:04:16] What we're doing now are changes to
[1:04:20] zoning that stem from the policies that
[1:04:24] were adopted
[1:04:26] by city council back in 2025.
[1:04:31] And so while we continue to have public
[1:04:34] comment on some of the outputs of the
[1:04:37] comprehensive plan, the comprehensive
[1:04:39] plan actually started back in 2023. And
[1:04:42] in 2024, a steering committee was formed
[1:04:47] from community members to guide the
[1:04:49] comprehensive plan. And so they kind of
[1:04:53] created the overall intent of the
[1:04:56] comprehensive plan as well as the
[1:05:00] general policies that would be included
[1:05:01] in the comprehensive plan. So that
[1:05:04] steering committee u met multiple times
[1:05:06] back in 2024
[1:05:08] um and into 2025. Additionally, we had a
[1:05:11] separate committee working on the
[1:05:13] housing action plan and they were
[1:05:16] involved in public engagement and um a
[1:05:20] separate committee that developed all
[1:05:21] the housing policies that are also
[1:05:23] informing some of the work we're doing
[1:05:25] right now. And so this slide is from
[1:05:28] excerpts from the comprehensive plan
[1:05:29] that's on our website. If you want to
[1:05:31] look at that public engagement process
[1:05:33] that happened back in 2024 and 2025
[1:05:37] along with a timeline of the dates of
[1:05:40] some of that public input we had in
[1:05:42] developing the policies that ultimately
[1:05:44] made it into the comprehensive plan.
[1:05:49] Uh, next slide. And then before I turn
[1:05:52] it over to Ail, I just wanted to bring
[1:05:55] you a highlight. So, as we've discussed,
[1:05:59] um, zoning is really complicated. It has
[1:06:01] a bunch of different components, um,
[1:06:03] within our code on how something gets
[1:06:05] built and what it looks like. So, um,
[1:06:09] there's zoning, which uh, is before
[1:06:12] council and will continue to evolve
[1:06:14] through deliberation. There's
[1:06:16] development regulations which is what do
[1:06:18] you do with the lot? How is it
[1:06:20] developed? And then there are design
[1:06:22] standards. And so as we've said for a
[1:06:24] couple meetings, design standards are
[1:06:26] under review. Uh we are at the final
[1:06:30] nits and nats of that draft. But I
[1:06:32] wanted to show you a couple highlights
[1:06:34] so you can kind of think about what's
[1:06:36] coming on September 1st at that council
[1:06:38] meeting. So these are a couple excerpts
[1:06:40] from the draft.
[1:06:42] >> [clears throat]
[1:06:42] >> So what you see here are example images
[1:06:46] of different zoning districts. So we're
[1:06:49] providing these pictures and
[1:06:51] architectural drawings uh to developers
[1:06:54] to the residential community so that
[1:06:57] people can imagine and see what we
[1:07:01] want to see and do all um so there are
[1:07:04] example images. There's also zoning
[1:07:06] intent. So that says this is the intent
[1:07:09] of that zoning district. what we want to
[1:07:12] see, what we don't want to see, and then
[1:07:15] there is a desired form. So again, these
[1:07:18] speak to giving developers, giving home
[1:07:22] builders direction on the intent of the
[1:07:25] zone, what we want in the zone, examples
[1:07:28] of what we um want to see in that zone.
[1:07:30] And this will guide design review and
[1:07:34] the hearing examiner's decision whether
[1:07:36] to ultimately approve a particular
[1:07:39] project. On the right side you see the
[1:07:42] mixeduse zoning district, some examples
[1:07:44] of what the MU20
[1:07:47] district, the zoning intent, the desired
[1:07:50] form, and then next slide.
[1:07:53] And then likewise, those draft design
[1:07:55] guidelines have um the zoning district
[1:07:59] for Oldtown and Uptown that describes
[1:08:02] the um district, shows examples of what
[1:08:06] will be approved in that district, the
[1:08:09] zoning intent and the desired form that
[1:08:11] we want to see in those different
[1:08:13] districts. And then uh same for Midtown
[1:08:16] and commercial. And so um there's a lot
[1:08:19] more here. This is just two pages of a
[1:08:22] 40 plus page document um that has other
[1:08:25] architectural renderings. Uh spoiler
[1:08:28] alert, everything in Dubal will have a
[1:08:29] pitch roof. Um so uh just look forward
[1:08:34] to that. We're almost done and looking
[1:08:36] forward to you all seeing kind of these
[1:08:39] designed images for uh the city of
[1:08:42] Duval. And with that, I will turn it
[1:08:44] over to Director Bane. Um
[1:08:48] >> good evening everybody. uh director
[1:08:51] meeting with the department of painting
[1:08:53] de development. Wanted to give you an
[1:08:55] update on some projects that are
[1:08:56] currently under review. Um so the Duval
[1:08:59] mosque has now submitted um building
[1:09:03] permit applications for the support
[1:09:05] building that's across from uh the
[1:09:07] mosque. Um so these are moving ahead.
[1:09:11] The applicant has been working through
[1:09:14] corrections. They are looking to do
[1:09:16] phased construction where um in order to
[1:09:19] keep things moving along um they are
[1:09:21] pursuing doing a foundationon permit
[1:09:23] first so they can get that ground work
[1:09:25] started while they finish up the
[1:09:27] structural review for the building so
[1:09:29] that it can um have fewer fits and
[1:09:32] scopes through the construction process.
[1:09:34] Um we don't have uh so the mosque is
[1:09:38] considered building A, the support
[1:09:39] building in blue is building B and then
[1:09:42] the commercial building in the lower
[1:09:44] left hand color. We've been referring to
[1:09:45] that as building C. We haven't seen
[1:09:47] application yet for building C, but
[1:09:49] we've been told that they should be
[1:09:50] coming within the new. Um any questions
[1:09:54] about the month?
[1:09:57] Next slide, please.
[1:09:59] Um the Jane Society uh went through its
[1:10:02] design review with a planning commission
[1:10:04] as the design review board. Um they did
[1:10:08] request um some partial requests for the
[1:10:12] um the articulation of the of the
[1:10:16] elevation. Um and this is very common
[1:10:19] with any of the
[1:10:22] religious assembly buildings that have
[1:10:24] been proposed in Dubal just because you
[1:10:27] have a larger building than like a mole
[1:10:29] residence. Um so this is a common
[1:10:31] departure request. Um and the applicant
[1:10:35] has been very responsive to uh
[1:10:38] corrections from staff. So now that we
[1:10:40] have the recommen recommendation and
[1:10:42] approval from planning commission, um
[1:10:45] staff is now working with the applicants
[1:10:46] to get a hearing scheduled with a
[1:10:49] hearing. Thanks Sam.
[1:10:51] Any questions?
[1:10:54] >> Okay.
[1:10:55] >> Um I had sort of a question. Uh it's not
[1:10:58] up there but I was curious if there was
[1:10:59] any updates
[1:11:01] I happy to follow with you after
[1:11:03] afterwards um on the new all village
[1:11:06] commercial pad properly if there was any
[1:11:09] sort of
[1:11:10] >> yes that's
[1:11:12] >> or did I go ahead
[1:11:13] >> no no no um I was I was focusing on
[1:11:18] these
[1:11:20] get through the slides and then I can
[1:11:22] yeah next slide please
[1:11:26] um an application that just came in um
[1:11:29] is
[1:11:30] titled the Valley View Mixuse
[1:11:32] Development. This is just north of the
[1:11:38] um Copperhouse Way. Thank you.
[1:11:41] >> Where are the safe? Oh, the subway. Um
[1:11:44] so close to our lovely water.
[1:11:48] Um so this site is challenged with a lot
[1:11:51] of topography. It's like a 40 foot of
[1:11:53] elevation change from Main Street up to
[1:11:56] the rear of the property. Um so
[1:11:58] initially there's been a fairly creative
[1:12:01] um design to to try to work these
[1:12:04] buildings terracing up um along the
[1:12:08] slope. There is a proposal for um
[1:12:13] commercial down at the lowest level
[1:12:16] along Main Street. So there is that sort
[1:12:18] of activation. So the initial concept
[1:12:22] We like mixed use. We want that um
[1:12:24] street friendship activation. We need
[1:12:26] more retail. Um so it's a good starting
[1:12:29] point.
[1:12:31] It'll it'll get a ball. Um so so yes. So
[1:12:36] this came in and we'll be going through
[1:12:37] the review process. The Duval
[1:12:40] Village/Main Street development um is
[1:12:45] under review. There have been um
[1:12:50] it
[1:12:52] it's a complicated construction when you
[1:12:55] have vertical mixed use and you have
[1:12:57] occupancies of either like business
[1:13:01] mercantile retail on the bottom with the
[1:13:03] residential above. There's a lot of
[1:13:05] building code about fire separations and
[1:13:07] things like that. And when you have um a
[1:13:11] design group that is more experienced
[1:13:14] with residential than with commercial,
[1:13:17] then there's like a bit of a learning
[1:13:18] curve to try to get the commercial of
[1:13:20] them seen as the residential component.
[1:13:22] So there's just been like a few snags
[1:13:24] trying to get
[1:13:26] compliance with the building code for
[1:13:28] that commercial of the project. So we're working through it. Um we're
[1:13:32] working with the applicant. Um and the
[1:13:36] goal is to get there. Yeah, that's
[1:13:38] really all I was looking for that it's
[1:13:40] in process.
[1:13:42] Thank you.
[1:13:44] >> Council member Olen,
[1:13:46] >> I just want to confirm. So, this is the
[1:13:49] east side of the street kind of near
[1:13:52] where Duvall Villages is. Is Is any of
[1:13:55] this scheduled to be below 80% AMI or
[1:13:59] below?
[1:14:01] >> Are you referring to the Valley view
[1:14:04] mixed?
[1:14:05] >> Yeah, the Valley view. Yes. So this is
[1:14:08] just north of Copper Hill on the east
[1:14:10] side of Maine. I forget the cross
[1:14:13] nearest Kennedy nearest cross street of
[1:14:15] Kennedy. So just out of Kennedy.
[1:14:17] >> Um
[1:14:19] this is just in site plan review. We
[1:14:22] haven't looked at um
[1:14:26] affordability at all. There's nothing in
[1:14:27] the narrative stating that there would
[1:14:30] be um
[1:14:34] >> and we don't have code. Yeah, we don't
[1:14:35] have code today to require it or to
[1:14:38] incentivize it. So, because they are
[1:14:40] vested to the regulations that are in
[1:14:42] place, um when they submitted on August,
[1:14:45] they would be subject to those
[1:14:47] regulations. Um
[1:14:51] yes, they have a complete application.
[1:14:53] Um when it comes to vesting, an
[1:14:55] applicant can stick with whatever is
[1:14:57] vested to them that day of a complete
[1:15:00] application. An applicant has the uh
[1:15:03] legal right to forego all vesting to
[1:15:06] whatever regulations are in place of
[1:15:09] whatever day they say I give up my
[1:15:11] vesting and I want the day's regulation.
[1:15:15] I have yet to see someone do that but
[1:15:17] it's always within their due process to
[1:15:19] assess it. Um, but so far
[1:15:24] >> I understand legally they can
[1:15:27] comply with with the current kind of
[1:15:30] former zoning. Um, I wonder if via a
[1:15:34] conversation we could incentivize them
[1:15:36] to incorporate some 80% or below AMI
[1:15:40] just given that's the ultimate goal of
[1:15:43] what we're trying to accomplish.
[1:15:45] >> We can always
[1:15:53] Thank you.
[1:15:55] >> All right, we'll turn it over to our
[1:15:57] public works director. Uh good evening,
[1:15:59] council, mayor, members of the public.
[1:16:01] Uh Lorisa Grundell public works. I'm
[1:16:04] just going to go over a couple of things
[1:16:05] we're working on currently. Uh so the
[1:16:09] 2.2 million gallon water tank, we have
[1:16:12] our booster pump station there. Um, pump
[1:16:14] two, we have three pumps that help us
[1:16:16] with fire flow or if we need a demand or
[1:16:18] something that arises um during the day.
[1:16:21] So, uh, pump two was, uh, serviced, it
[1:16:25] was removed from the system. All the
[1:16:26] bearings, everything was serviced.
[1:16:28] That's complete. It was reinstalled, and
[1:16:30] pump three is now being removed for
[1:16:32] service. Um, and these are some
[1:16:34] pictures. They took it out through the
[1:16:36] roof. They're huge pumps, but it's
[1:16:38] really neat. Next slide.
[1:16:42] Uh currently, uh PSSE has submitted
[1:16:45] their rideway permits for their um
[1:16:48] upcharge electric vehicle chargers. Um
[1:16:51] so those are kind of in review, just
[1:16:52] making sure we get the right details on
[1:16:54] the plans and um there's some changes
[1:16:57] that need to happen with reading on in
[1:16:59] the parking lot of the depot. Um but the
[1:17:02] two the two spots are right out here in
[1:17:04] front of the visitor center for two and
[1:17:07] that's the top picture and then um at
[1:17:10] depot park uh it's the
[1:17:14] norththeast corner kind of there's a uh
[1:17:17] the metro van parking stall will be
[1:17:20] relocated and and those two will go
[1:17:22] right there. Um next slide.
[1:17:27] Um, so a little update on our proposed
[1:17:30] acquisition for the Big Rock Ball Field.
[1:17:32] Um, so the grant results, uh, King
[1:17:35] County, uh, conservation futures was the
[1:17:37] grant that we went after. Um, the board
[1:17:39] recommends, uh, just over 700,000 for
[1:17:42] land purchase and, um, just over 18,000
[1:17:46] for site stabilization
[1:17:48] um, to acquire this piece. And that's
[1:17:50] the red highlighted piece. So,
[1:17:52] congratulations to the city. Uh we went
[1:17:55] from just under 10 acres to over 30
[1:17:57] acres of park. Um so and this red one is
[1:18:01] the one that we're focused on right now.
[1:18:03] And that'll get us to 40 uh 42.4 acres
[1:18:07] not including the proposed MOC lots.
[1:18:11] Uh next slide.
[1:18:13] So operations. Uh currently you've
[1:18:16] probably seen the doctor truck out in
[1:18:18] town needing catch beans. We're wrapping
[1:18:20] that work up. Um they were out on Valley
[1:18:23] Street today um uh just north of the or
[1:18:27] east of the Thai uh restaurant. Um some
[1:18:31] video inspections found some broken
[1:18:33] concrete pipes. Some it was smashed. So
[1:18:35] the crew had that open today. We got to
[1:18:37] the bathroom truck to expose it and
[1:18:39] we're going to fix those uh pipe
[1:18:41] sections. It's really shallow pipe too.
[1:18:43] Extremely shallow but it is concrete. Um
[1:18:46] so that's what they were working on
[1:18:47] today. Um next slide.
[1:18:52] current projects for parks, I believe.
[1:18:54] Well, all the crew is doing it, but the
[1:18:56] new art panels are up on Main Street.
[1:18:58] And these are a couple pictures of the
[1:19:00] crew doing what they do.
[1:19:02] Next slide.
[1:19:06] » And then we completed the installation
[1:19:08] of an 8 in water meter um at the Big
[1:19:11] Rock Ball Fields. We replaced the water
[1:19:13] meter that was there. Um it wasn't
[1:19:16] functioning right, extremely old. Um,
[1:19:19] our water lead did a great job. He
[1:19:21] installed this by himself.
[1:19:24] >> It was quite a quite a day for him. Um,
[1:19:26] [laughter]
[1:19:27] but we got it in.
[1:19:29] >> Next slide. I think
[1:19:33] » questions, comments.
[1:19:35] >> I have one.
[1:19:36] >> I know we're getting close on time, but
[1:19:38] uh, how like how shallow was the even
[1:19:41] though concrete pipe, how deep should it
[1:19:42] be and like how shallow was it? Um, we
[1:19:45] want to keep all pipe at least two feet
[1:19:48] deep. Okay. Yeah. Right. Um, it is
[1:19:53] probably
[1:19:55] less than six inches under the house.
[1:19:58] >> So, um, it's it's really shallow and it
[1:20:00] was pieced together um,
[1:20:03] prior to 1995.
[1:20:06] >> I don't know if it was the city that did
[1:20:08] it. I'm sure I could call Fisher and ask
[1:20:12] him. Um
[1:20:14] >> but yeah, it looked like there was some
[1:20:16] of the metal corrugated pipe that used
[1:20:19] to go uh just under the driveway access
[1:20:22] and then there was open ditches and then
[1:20:24] those ditches closed to have that
[1:20:26] parking paved over it. And in order to
[1:20:28] do that,
[1:20:30] whether it was the city at the time or
[1:20:32] the adjacent property owners, however
[1:20:34] that happened, um pieces of concrete
[1:20:37] pipe were just kind of put together and
[1:20:40] then paved over.
[1:20:42] So yeah,
[1:20:46] >> council member.
[1:20:50] » So I wanted to ask about the the design
[1:20:52] standards and if the proper answer
[1:20:58] yourself
[1:20:59] >> sorry about that I was trying to lower
[1:21:00] my hand. Uh okay. So if if the
[1:21:04] appropriate answer to this question is
[1:21:05] wait till September 1st and I'll see
[1:21:08] then then that's fine. Um, but director,
[1:21:11] let's see, administrator McNabby, you
[1:21:14] had said that that in the in the design
[1:21:16] standards, we're we're showing some of
[1:21:19] these mockups of of what the city is is
[1:21:22] delivering to developers or intends to
[1:21:25] deliver developers to kind of guide them
[1:21:27] in in what these buildings what we would
[1:21:30] like to see. And that is something that,
[1:21:32] for example, the hearing examiner will
[1:21:34] look at in considering if something is compliant with what we're trying to
[1:21:39] accomplish. So I guess what my question
[1:21:41] is is
[1:21:47] where where does objectivity and
[1:21:48] subjectivity fall into play with that?
[1:21:50] you know, at what point do they say,
[1:21:52] "Yeah, I mean, is it is it just about
[1:21:55] the sloped roof, you know, or or is it,
[1:21:58] you know, if if it's if it's 45 ft and
[1:22:01] it has a slope roof, is it compliant or
[1:22:04] so, you know, where does where does one
[1:22:06] where does objectivity end and
[1:22:08] subjectivity begin?" And I I guess I
[1:22:11] somewhat asked that in light of some of
[1:22:14] well, other pictures I've seen floating
[1:22:16] around and and things like that. I'm I'm
[1:22:18] just curious how how rigorous these
[1:22:21] design standards are to what will have
[1:22:24] to be.
[1:22:26] >> They're rigorous. So they are uh not
[1:22:31] just subjectively what the community
[1:22:34] what we expect but objectively what
[1:22:38] buildings can be built from a design
[1:22:40] perspective in Duval
[1:22:42] and um Lisser Emerald do you have other
[1:22:46] >> so part of the reason why we are
[1:22:47] bringing we're going to be bringing
[1:22:49] these um design standards forward is
[1:22:52] because of state legislation stating
[1:22:54] that these standards do need to be
[1:22:56] objective in nature and not subjective
[1:22:59] in nature. So, it's more about um
[1:23:02] there's it it's going to be like
[1:23:05] subscriptive design like you either meet
[1:23:07] the standard or you don't. And so, um
[1:23:10] it's not about do I like it? Is it
[1:23:13] pretty? If is it is it meeting um like
[1:23:19] is the slope of the roof correct? Is the
[1:23:21] articulation of the wall correct? Is
[1:23:24] there enough window treatment on an
[1:23:26] elevation? Is an orientation of a
[1:23:29] pedestrian pathway in the correct spot?
[1:23:33] Um, are things being stepped back? So,
[1:23:35] there's there are there different
[1:23:37] material that different parts of a
[1:23:39] building. So, it the idea is that each
[1:23:42] standard would have effectively a a yes
[1:23:44] or no. Are you doing it or are you not
[1:23:47] or is the project doing this or is it
[1:23:49] not? And if it's not, you're not in
[1:23:51] compliance. we're not going to be
[1:23:53] recommending approval. Um so hopefully
[1:23:55] uh and by having the pictures we're
[1:23:57] establishing the expectation that um
[1:24:01] this is what we are looking to see. So
[1:24:03] that way the a developer can't come in
[1:24:06] and say oh I didn't know you wanted it
[1:24:08] to be this pretty. We set it up like
[1:24:11] look so the pictures themselves are not
[1:24:14] um the legal requirement but they are to establish
[1:24:20] this is what we're looking for. This is
[1:24:21] the quality that we're looking for. So,
[1:24:23] please don't waste your time and our
[1:24:25] time with something that is left.
[1:24:27] >> Yeah. Or a design that is not
[1:24:30] incorporated in one of the images or the
[1:24:32] standards.
[1:24:33] >> And I know this is going to be touched
[1:24:35] on a little bit on the the presentation.
[1:24:37] You're going to have the meeting. So,
[1:24:39] I'm just looking at the clock and I want
[1:24:40] to make sure that we have a break
[1:24:41] between meetings. So, I'm going to
[1:24:43] actually defer council reports until the meeting. mayor can give their update
[1:24:47] and then if there's additional sounds
[1:24:49] like there might be an additional
[1:24:50] opportunity for questions around this
[1:24:52] particular issue a little bit on your
[1:24:53] old pound there there's a presentation
[1:24:55] as well if that's okay council member
[1:25:00] » so with that I will call the committee
[1:25:03] of the whole workshop to a close at 6:56
[1:25:06] p.m. and if we can come back maybe at
[1:25:08] two minutes after
[1:25:10] >> close to seven as we can but we might go
[1:25:12] a couple minutes over
[1:33:09] Order of the city council meeting at
[1:33:11] 7:04 p.m. please rise for the flag.
[1:33:17] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[1:33:19] United States of America and to the
[1:33:22] republic for which it stands one nation
[1:33:25] under God indivisible with liberty and
[1:33:28] justice for
[1:33:30] >> can you please take the role for
[1:33:35] Mercer
[1:33:36] >> here. Council member Olen here.
[1:33:40] >> Council member
[1:33:41] >> uh here. Council member Wiggins
[1:33:46] >> here.
[1:33:47] >> Council member Hernandez
[1:33:48] >> here.
[1:33:49] >> Okay, we have a quorum. Thank you. Are
[1:33:51] there any additions or corrections to
[1:33:53] the agenda? Mayor for Thummer.
[1:33:55] >> Uh yeah, I propose to add a second
[1:33:58] public comment period after section M
[1:34:01] close session uh on the agenda. Second.
[1:34:06] >> Okay. Um any other additions or
[1:34:09] corrections to the agenda?
[1:34:11] And I'm not hearing any objections to
[1:34:13] that proposal by Mayor Pam Mercer. So,
[1:34:16] do I have a motion to approve the uh
[1:34:19] amended council agenda?
[1:34:22] >> So, move seconded.
[1:34:24] >> All those in favor say I.
[1:34:26] >> I.
[1:34:27] >> All those opposed. All those opposed say
[1:34:29] no. All right. The agenda is adopted.
[1:34:32] Next up, we have proclamations and we
[1:34:34] have two this evening.
[1:34:38] First, we have National Emergency
[1:34:40] Management Awareness Month. Whereas
[1:34:43] emergency management professionals serve
[1:34:45] 247 365 as chief risk advisers and
[1:34:48] problem solvers, connecting regional
[1:34:50] resources, building resilience, and
[1:34:52] coordinating crisis response and
[1:34:54] recovery. And whereas the city of Duvall
[1:34:56] and the Snomi Valley face unique local
[1:34:58] hazards, including severe river
[1:35:00] flooding, winter storms, prolonged power
[1:35:03] outages, and wildland urban fires. And
[1:35:05] whereas effective disaster readiness
[1:35:07] relies on seamless collaboration between
[1:35:09] city leadership, public safety
[1:35:11] personnel, regional partners, and
[1:35:12] dedicated volunteers like Snow Valley
[1:35:14] SERT. And whereas emergency management
[1:35:16] extends far beyond disaster response to
[1:35:19] encompass continuous mitigation training
[1:35:22] and risk reduction that protects lives,
[1:35:23] homes, and critical infrastructure. And
[1:35:26] whereas the residents and leadership at
[1:35:27] Duvall expressed their heartfelt
[1:35:29] gratitude to our emergency managers and
[1:35:31] community volunteers for their steady
[1:35:32] leadership and behind the-scenes
[1:35:34] dedication. And whereas National
[1:35:36] Emergency Management Awareness Month
[1:35:37] observed annually in August under the
[1:35:39] leadership of the International
[1:35:40] Association of Emergency Managers AEM
[1:35:43] highlights the essential role these
[1:35:45] professionals play in public safety. And
[1:35:47] whereas the community resilience depends
[1:35:49] on proactive household preparedness and
[1:35:51] the city encourages all residents to
[1:35:53] build emergency kits, make response
[1:35:55] plans, and sign up for local alerts. And
[1:35:57] whereas the city of Duval continues to
[1:35:59] grow, integrating proactive emergency
[1:36:01] management into municipal planning in
[1:36:03] infrastructure and community
[1:36:04] partnerships ensures a safer, more
[1:36:06] resilient future for all generations.
[1:36:08] Now therefore, I, Amy McHenry, mayor of
[1:36:10] the city of Duval, hereby proclaim
[1:36:12] August 2026 as National Emergency
[1:36:15] Management Awareness Month in the city
[1:36:16] of Duval, Washington, and urge all
[1:36:18] residents to recognize the vital
[1:36:19] contributions of our emergency
[1:36:21] management team and take steps to
[1:36:22] prepare their families and
[1:36:23] neighborhoods.
[1:36:26] And then last, we have Women's Equality
[1:36:28] Day. Whereas on August 26, 1920, the
[1:36:31] 19th amendment to the United States
[1:36:33] Constitution was officially certified,
[1:36:34] securing for women the constitutional
[1:36:36] right to vote and marking a monumental
[1:36:38] milestone in the ongoing pursuit of
[1:36:40] civil rights and equality. And whereas
[1:36:42] the ratification of the 19th Amendment
[1:36:44] was achieved through decades of tireless
[1:36:45] advocacy, courage, and determination by
[1:36:48] suffragists across the nation and within
[1:36:49] Washington state, which proudly granted
[1:36:51] women the right to vote in 1910, a
[1:36:54] decade prior to the federal amendment.
[1:36:55] And whereas while the 19th amendment
[1:36:57] established vital legal protections, the
[1:37:00] historic struggle for true voter
[1:37:01] equality continued for many women,
[1:37:03] particularly women of color,
[1:37:04] highlighting the ongoing responsibility
[1:37:05] to protect and expand democratic access
[1:37:08] for all citizens. And whereas the city
[1:37:10] of Duval recognizes that the full
[1:37:12] participation, leadership, and diverse
[1:37:15] talents of women are essential to the
[1:37:16] strength, innovation, and vibrant
[1:37:18] character of our community. And whereas
[1:37:20] women in Dubal serve as prominent
[1:37:21] leaders across every sector, governing
[1:37:23] as elected officials, excelling as
[1:37:25] business owners, serving as first
[1:37:26] responders, educating our youth,
[1:37:28] directing nonprofits, and enriching our
[1:37:30] civic life. And whereas Women's Equality
[1:37:32] Day, designated by Congress in 1971,
[1:37:35] serves not only as a day to celebrate
[1:37:37] past achievements, but also as a call to
[1:37:39] action to address remaining disparities
[1:37:42] and foster equitable opportunities in
[1:37:44] leadership, compensation, and
[1:37:45] representation. And whereas the city of
[1:37:48] as the city of Duvall looks to the
[1:37:49] future, we remain dedicated to
[1:37:51] empowering women and young girls,
[1:37:52] ensuring they have equal access to
[1:37:54] resources, mentorship, and opportunities
[1:37:56] to shape the future of our city and
[1:37:58] region. Now therefore, I, Amy McHenry,
[1:38:00] mayor of the city of Duval, hereby
[1:38:02] proclaim August 26, 2026 as Women's
[1:38:04] Equality Day in the city of Duval,
[1:38:07] Washington, and urge all residents to
[1:38:08] reflect on the historical journey toward
[1:38:10] equality, celebrate the leadership and
[1:38:12] contributions of women in our community,
[1:38:14] and continue supporting full equity,
[1:38:16] equality for all.
[1:38:19] >> Okay, next up, we have comments from the
[1:38:21] audience. Um, this meeting was noticed
[1:38:24] with 30 total minutes allotted for
[1:38:26] public comments with the amendment to
[1:38:28] our agenda tonight. Mayor Pat Mercer
[1:38:30] added that we will reopen public
[1:38:32] comments at the end of the our agenda
[1:38:34] after the close session which I think is
[1:38:37] letter M on the agenda. So I will now
[1:38:40] read our
[1:38:43] uh bit for this. So during the
[1:38:45] designated public commentary period at
[1:38:47] city council meetings, individuals are
[1:38:48] allotted three minutes to speak while
[1:38:50] representatives of organizations may
[1:38:52] address the council for up to five
[1:38:54] minutes. Before presenting, kindly
[1:38:56] disclose your full name and city of
[1:38:57] residents. Each speaker and all remarks
[1:39:00] shall be addressed to the city council
[1:39:01] as a body and not to individual members
[1:39:04] of council or staff. The city strongly
[1:39:06] advises submitting verbal comments in
[1:39:08] writing to expedite subsequent
[1:39:09] correspondence. Written comments must be
[1:39:12] received by the city clerk's office by
[1:39:13] noon on the meeting day addressed to PO
[1:39:15] Box 1300 Uval Washington 98019 or
[1:39:18] deposited at the city hall dropbox
[1:39:20] located at 15535 Main Street Northeast
[1:39:23] or by email. Please be aware that the
[1:39:25] city council is formed and its
[1:39:27] commissions accept public comments only
[1:39:29] from inerson attendees at the meeting.
[1:39:31] The council does not accept handouts or
[1:39:33] printed material during the public
[1:39:35] commentary session. Information intended
[1:39:37] for the mayor or city council shall be
[1:39:39] directed to the city clerk who will
[1:39:40] disseminate it following the submitter's
[1:39:42] instructions. Upon receipt, the city
[1:39:44] clerk will receive written public
[1:39:46] comments and subsequently furnish them
[1:39:48] to the city council or the relevant
[1:39:49] board or commission. However, it's
[1:39:51] important to note that written comments
[1:39:52] will not be orally presented during the
[1:39:54] council or applicable board or
[1:39:56] commission meetings. Any written
[1:39:58] comments received after the noon
[1:39:59] deadline for written comments will be
[1:40:01] shared with the council at the next
[1:40:02] council meeting as a part of the city
[1:40:04] clerk's report. And let me look at our
[1:40:06] list we have here.
[1:40:08] >> So I think one thing we want to make
[1:40:09] sure
[1:40:10] >> we do have yes we do have a public
[1:40:12] hearing tonight. So I just want to make
[1:40:14] sure when I call on you what is open now
[1:40:16] is the comments from the audience which
[1:40:18] can be about any category. Um there's
[1:40:21] also a public hearing. So if you're here
[1:40:23] to speak on the public hearing later in
[1:40:24] the agenda you would want to wait until
[1:40:26] that is all on the sign code. Yeah. Um
[1:40:29] so that'll come up later in the agenda
[1:40:31] if that's what you wish to speak on. So
[1:40:33] let me look at our list here. where to
[1:40:35] go and find it yet. So, first one. Oh.
[1:40:38] >> Oh, I see. Yep. Okay. I was looking at
[1:40:41] the wrong phone. First up, we have David
[1:40:44] Forn from Duvall. I don't know if he's
[1:40:46] still here. I know you're
[1:40:48] >> the wrong box.
[1:40:48] >> Okay. Are you good or Okay, you had your
[1:40:52] moment. Okay.
[1:40:53] >> Um I can't quite I see Elijah on here. I
[1:40:56] can't tell if that is a yes. So, I
[1:40:58] wanted to check in if Okay. Go ahead and
[1:41:00] approach the podium. Thank you.
[1:41:21] Today I rise um on behalf of the Stwami
[1:41:25] Valley Transit Writers Coalition. I do
[1:41:26] not request any more time as presented.
[1:41:29] I My name is Elijah Vincent. I am the
[1:41:32] leader of the Stalami Valley Transit
[1:41:34] Riders Coalition and today I am
[1:41:37] discussing the Brown Avenue Northeast
[1:41:40] Richardson Street and that is a huge one
[1:41:42] here. As the as the city grows, we must
[1:41:46] ensure that we have adequate
[1:41:48] infrastructure such as bay signs and
[1:41:52] the road improvements as well as more
[1:41:55] clear signage such as northeast sub area
[1:41:58] which a lot of King County metro transit
[1:42:01] centers and certain stops along the way
[1:42:04] especially in Redmond and potentially
[1:42:06] even
[1:42:08] um I believe also has that and that's
[1:42:10] just to ensure that we know where it
[1:42:13] I've also have a online position. I
[1:42:16] won't mention any more on that though.
[1:42:19] Um that's it. Thank you. I yield my
[1:42:22] time.
[1:42:23] >> Thank you.
[1:42:24] >> Uh next up we have
[1:42:28] I'm just going off of our sign and she
[1:42:30] first here. I see a maybe with Peter
[1:42:34] Scott of Duvall. Did you want this?
[1:42:36] >> You'll pass. Okay. Um, and then next up,
[1:42:38] Mike Beard from Duval Fire District 45.
[1:42:43] >> Okay.
[1:42:43] >> So, would you like I'm assuming you'd
[1:42:45] like the five minutes.
[1:42:46] >> Uh, sure.
[1:42:47] >> Okay. You don't have to use it all if
[1:42:48] you don't.
[1:42:51] » Um, everyone Michael Beard from Under
[1:42:56] Big Rock. So, I'm not a Duvall resident
[1:42:58] proper in the city. However, I was
[1:43:01] elected uh the second term Duvall Fire
[1:43:04] Commission 45. uh was elected chair of
[1:43:07] that and I'm here to talk about uh the
[1:43:10] proposed um building standards and
[1:43:13] design code changes uh for the city. To
[1:43:16] go back a couple years, uh I drove from
[1:43:18] my family's been here since the 70s. My
[1:43:20] wife's family's been here since the
[1:43:21] 1900s.
[1:43:23] Um
[1:43:25] left in '94 to pursue my career and come
[1:43:29] back in 2014 for a period there. lived
[1:43:31] in Isiqu where I was on the urban
[1:43:34] village development commission where we
[1:43:35] saw a very similar proposal
[1:43:39] sponsored by Rally Properties helping me
[1:43:42] tall brothers both many of the same
[1:43:43] developers that worked for
[1:43:45] um that proposal uh kind of created the
[1:43:50] urban village development guideline that
[1:43:52] many cities are using now might be
[1:43:54] called something different but it's the
[1:43:56] live up above work down below reduce
[1:43:58] parking increase density walkable
[1:44:00] streets
[1:44:01] Um what was presented to the city of
[1:44:04] Isiqua during the commission was
[1:44:05] beautiful but any of you who've been in
[1:44:07] Isiqua or Redmond or these other areas
[1:44:10] assume that's not built that way. Um one
[1:44:12] of the limits on that is the code uh
[1:44:15] energy design need those are very
[1:44:18] restrictive.
[1:44:20] So um I heard some talk about design
[1:44:23] code earlier. um
[1:44:26] in Washington state the way things are
[1:44:27] built out it's it's very conforming it's
[1:44:30] kind of I think it's ugly it's very
[1:44:32] dense so uh if these things are adopted
[1:44:36] here what has been built throughout the
[1:44:38] state is probably what's going to be
[1:44:40] here it's driven by economy it's driven
[1:44:42] by energy code it's driven by uh things
[1:44:45] that are kind of outside the control of
[1:44:46] this if we are to adopt this
[1:44:49] um
[1:44:51] so that being said I want to talk about
[1:44:53] a Couple other things here real quickly.
[1:44:55] Um, as a private citizen here, uh, I
[1:44:59] read uh, some comments from one of the
[1:45:01] city councilors about um, permanent
[1:45:03] supportive housing. And I'm hoping I'm
[1:45:05] misunderstanding this, but there was a
[1:45:07] discussion that this could be built to
[1:45:09] do well. Um, my full-time job, I'm a
[1:45:12] lieutenant fire department. I'm not
[1:45:14] speaking on behalf of them, but I'm
[1:45:15] speaking my experience there. I respond
[1:45:18] daily to permanent support housing, the
[1:45:20] city of Belleview, the city of Redmond,
[1:45:22] and the city of Kerbin. Uh the amount of
[1:45:26] strain that that puts on first
[1:45:27] responders and EMS, hospital care,
[1:45:29] transport, private ambulance isn't is
[1:45:31] immense. I don't think people quite
[1:45:34] understand. It looks good on paper, but
[1:45:36] the execution of it is pretty nasty.
[1:45:38] It's really changed some of the
[1:45:39] neighborhoods and value in those those
[1:45:41] regions, and not in a positive way. This
[1:45:43] leads to my official stance here as a
[1:45:46] chairman of Dwell 45.
[1:45:49] Um,
[1:45:51] when you call the fire department,
[1:45:52] firefighters are going to do everything
[1:45:54] they can correctly to take care of. We
[1:45:56] have limited resources in help. What I'm
[1:45:59] here to tell you is like there's no
[1:46:00] plans to increase the resources. We have
[1:46:03] three firefighters that cross staff,
[1:46:05] several units just up the hill here, and
[1:46:07] we have three more up at station 16 in
[1:46:09] Chicago. That's six people in Debell
[1:46:12] Fire Department who are being operated
[1:46:14] by East Side Fire right now. That's the
[1:46:16] plan for at least the next decade.
[1:46:19] If we have this level of growth,
[1:46:21] specifically affordable or low-inccome
[1:46:23] supportive housing, it is going to max
[1:46:26] out our first responders. The amount of
[1:46:28] calls that these generate are much
[1:46:29] higher than single family residents.
[1:46:31] They're much higher than simple
[1:46:32] apartment buildings. The utilization
[1:46:34] rate for EMS in these buildings is
[1:46:36] staggering. And I don't think anybody
[1:46:37] has anybody who hasn't worked in the
[1:46:40] field would be kind of shocked with
[1:46:41] that. What that means is when you call
[1:46:43] 911, there may not be somebody for 10 to
[1:46:45] 15 minutes.
[1:46:47] We're talking about I've been to the
[1:46:49] same department 100 times in a row to
[1:46:52] the same person. I work one of three
[1:46:55] shifts. The people that relate me are
[1:46:56] these same departments. We're talking
[1:46:57] almost daily calls from some of these
[1:46:59] permanent support.
[1:47:01] So I would recommend that we don't
[1:47:04] pursue that if we can resist it. I know
[1:47:06] I use that word not lightly. I've seen
[1:47:08] several members of this council resist
[1:47:11] other things that happened in the
[1:47:12] country in the last couple years. Um you
[1:47:14] don't have to go along with this. I know
[1:47:16] it's troubling. I know it's difficult. I
[1:47:18] know it might cost a lot of money, but I
[1:47:20] think you were all elected to make the
[1:47:21] diff difficult decisions, not the easy.
[1:47:24] So, I just want those uh ideas to be out
[1:47:27] there. And from another government
[1:47:30] agency here, I want you to know that we
[1:47:32] can support growth that was as it was
[1:47:34] imagined a few years ago. We're actually
[1:47:36] excited about it, but certain types of
[1:47:39] growth here would be pretty devastating
[1:47:40] to emergency services.
[1:47:42] >> Thank you.
[1:47:58] Um, next up, where was I? Next up, we
[1:48:02] have Kate [clears throat] Brown.
[1:48:06] Did I say that right?
[1:48:08] >> Very close. Is that Brown?
[1:48:11] >> Hi. You know, it's been very hard to
[1:48:13] hear some of the other speakers. I'll
[1:48:15] put on my teacher voice. My name is Kate
[1:48:17] C. I taught in the district for about 33
[1:48:21] years and I'm representing people who
[1:48:24] don't live in the town of Duval, but we
[1:48:27] consider Duvall our town and we love it.
[1:48:31] >> And I come I talked in Carnation. I
[1:48:35] taught at Duvall. I was on the civic
[1:48:38] club, friends of the library for many, years. And this is my community. I
[1:48:43] know so many people in this community
[1:48:45] and I love it. And I came here in 1971
[1:48:51] and I knew country. One country was a
[1:48:53] baby and she grew up with my daughter
[1:48:56] who went to school at Cherry Valley. I
[1:48:58] think a lot of us are so concerned
[1:49:02] that Duvall is such a wonderful place
[1:49:05] and it has been so encompassing of
[1:49:07] welcoming people, all kinds of people
[1:49:11] and we would like to continue to do
[1:49:13] that. But we also need to face reality.
[1:49:16] We do not have the infrastructure and I
[1:49:19] read on the Duval page all the time
[1:49:22] complaining about the floods and you
[1:49:24] can't get here and you can't get there
[1:49:26] and traffic is all baldled up at 3:30 in
[1:49:30] the afternoon. So with growth, we also
[1:49:33] have to get some help from the state.
[1:49:36] And we don't want this to become a
[1:49:40] soulless place like we see in Redmond,
[1:49:44] like we see in Woodenville. I drove to
[1:49:47] Totem Lake and had no idea where I was.
[1:49:50] Uh, I got there and I thought, well, the
[1:49:53] car toys place used to be here and I
[1:49:58] don't want our be the used to be here.
[1:50:02] The old library used to be here. I was
[1:50:05] involved in passing books one by one
[1:50:08] from this wonderful old library to the
[1:50:11] new one. And Rose Morberg was like my
[1:50:16] substitute mother, like my substitute
[1:50:19] grandmother for my daughter. So I've
[1:50:21] been invested in this place and I would
[1:50:23] really hate to see it become
[1:50:26] six stories of nothing
[1:50:29] metal. And what I read uh from some nice
[1:50:33] person from the board here that put it
[1:50:35] on Facebook was
[1:50:37] if a developer wants to buy the property
[1:50:40] and they meet what you were talking
[1:50:41] about earlier, the slope of the roof or
[1:50:44] the back uh off from the sidewalk, they
[1:50:47] can pretty much put up whatever they
[1:50:49] want. And I think our town and the
[1:50:52] people who live surrounding the towns,
[1:50:54] the farmers in the valley, we should
[1:50:57] also have a say as to what affects our
[1:51:00] lives, our children's lives, and our
[1:51:03] grandchildren's lives. My daughter
[1:51:05] doesn't live here. She can't afford it.
[1:51:09] So, please keep that in mind. There are
[1:51:12] people who love this community and this
[1:51:14] community has loved us back. Thank you
[1:51:17] very much.
[1:51:24] And I I I just wanted to say to the
[1:51:26] audience, we don't usually allow
[1:51:27] reactions. And I know that I feel it
[1:51:29] like I'm a party for saying it. I can
[1:51:32] move a little quicker through the list
[1:51:34] if we like with applause or anything
[1:51:37] like that. So, we'll be able to squeeze
[1:51:39] more people in in the time. Okay. Um
[1:51:41] Lauren, that
[1:51:54] Lauren Betting from Duvall.
[1:51:56] Good evening, Mayor and City Council and
[1:51:58] staff. Thank you for this opportunity to
[1:52:00] comment on Duvall's comprehensive plan.
[1:52:03] I appreciate the difficult position you
[1:52:05] are in, and my following statement is
[1:52:07] meant to help in a way that has legal
[1:52:09] standing. I'm not here with a pitchfork.
[1:52:12] I believe the current draft does not
[1:52:14] comply with the growth management act
[1:52:16] for the following reasons. First,
[1:52:18] citizen participation. The code required
[1:52:21] procedures for early and continuous
[1:52:22] public participation. The 2024 public
[1:52:25] survey showed that regulating
[1:52:27] development to maintain community
[1:52:29] character and a small town feel were
[1:52:31] residents first priorities. How has that
[1:52:34] feedback been used in the most recent
[1:52:36] proposed zoning changes? Do you intend
[1:52:38] to alter the current plan based on
[1:52:40] community feedback?
[1:52:42] Second, alternatives. The GMA requires
[1:52:44] the broad dissemination of proposals and
[1:52:46] alternatives.
[1:52:48] Where are the alternatives?
[1:52:51] Relying on a single recommended strategy
[1:52:53] while planning compliance with the new
[1:52:55] state law risks us not choosing the best
[1:52:57] available option. Please clarify what
[1:53:00] alternatives were or will be considered.
[1:53:04] Third, infrastructure and coordination.
[1:53:07] The GMA mandates coordination to
[1:53:09] reconcile conflicts and ensure efficient
[1:53:12] transportation. We are adding traffic to
[1:53:14] our roads without state or county
[1:53:17] commitments to increase funding for
[1:53:18] maintenance or mitigation. Duvall has
[1:53:21] nothing that meets the criteria for a
[1:53:23] major transit hub to offset this.
[1:53:25] Increasing development before securing
[1:53:27] infrastructure violates countywide
[1:53:29] planning policy H25, which protects
[1:53:32] resident well-being through high quality
[1:53:34] transit.
[1:53:36] Fourth, the housing strategy. If our
[1:53:39] overall growth target is already
[1:53:41] naturally met by the building that's
[1:53:44] happened since 2019, pipeline units, and
[1:53:48] the current zoning, why are we
[1:53:50] increasing baseline zoning for all
[1:53:52] market rate development?
[1:53:55] I propose an alternative that is more
[1:53:57] aligned with our community's wishes,
[1:54:00] an affordable housing zone overlay.
[1:54:02] Instead of a blanket up zone, make
[1:54:04] increased density only available for
[1:54:06] verified affordable housing.
[1:54:09] This would directly protect our
[1:54:10] community's character, prevent
[1:54:12] overdevelopment, and incentivize
[1:54:14] builders to target the specific
[1:54:16] affordability brackets Duvall actually
[1:54:18] lacks.
[1:54:20] Please identify where our plan is
[1:54:22] current, why our plan is currently
[1:54:24] zoning for more development than is
[1:54:26] required.
[1:54:28] I request that staff run the land
[1:54:29] capacity model on an affordable housing
[1:54:31] overlay alternative and tell the public
[1:54:33] exactly which GMA requirements it would
[1:54:35] and would not satisfy. If that is not
[1:54:38] feasible, then I request that the
[1:54:39] current plan heights are reduced to the
[1:54:41] bare minimum and any increase in zoning
[1:54:43] is only available for our 675 assigned
[1:54:46] affordable housing unit. We are the
[1:54:49] current stewards of Dualltown,
[1:54:52] real life. Our town's character and
[1:54:54] identity are at stake.
[1:55:06] Hi everyone. I'm country Rooney.
[1:55:09] I'm the president of the Dubel
[1:55:11] Historical Society.
[1:55:13] Um I am representing the historical
[1:55:15] society. So I'll use all five of my
[1:55:17] minutes, please.
[1:55:19] I'm also part of the Novelty Hill
[1:55:20] Cemetery,
[1:55:22] No Palmy Valley Museum,
[1:55:26] and a life member of the VFW Auxiliary.
[1:55:30] I am here on behalf of Duval Historical
[1:55:32] Society. I do have handouts that I
[1:55:35] handed out before coming in. I'm not
[1:55:37] going to talk about them. I'm just
[1:55:38] letting you know that there are QR codes
[1:55:40] to the information that I am talking
[1:55:42] about. So, good evening, Mayor Mckenry.
[1:55:47] I love you and I love our town and I
[1:55:50] love the staff that are here to present.
[1:55:54] I want to begin by saying something
[1:55:56] personal because
[1:55:58] I believe it explains why I'm here and
[1:56:01] I'm standing here tonight
[1:56:03] [clears throat]
[1:56:03] >> and why I'm speaking as strongly as I
[1:56:05] am.
[1:56:07] 1976 I was three years old.
[1:56:11] An inaudible member of this community
[1:56:13] took advantage of me.
[1:56:16] My parents and grandparents, I'm fourth
[1:56:18] generation, by the way.
[1:56:21] My parents and my grandparents made the
[1:56:23] decision not to take any action. They
[1:56:26] didn't want to create any commotion.
[1:56:28] They didn't want any drama in this town
[1:56:30] of 600 members.
[1:56:33] And sometimes in a small town, keeping
[1:56:36] the peace may seem more important than
[1:56:39] speaking up.
[1:56:41] That experience stayed with me.
[1:56:44] But I'm not here tonight to reopen that
[1:56:47] chapter of my life. I am here because 50
[1:56:51] years later, I am correcting that part
[1:56:54] that was left unfinished.
[1:56:56] I am using my voice to help save
[1:56:59] something that deserves to be protected.
[1:57:02] I know that the city has struggled.
[1:57:05] Duval citywide visioning plan page
[1:57:07] number 10 described Oldtown as the
[1:57:10] historic heart and the soul of Duval and
[1:57:14] recognized that traffic congestion and
[1:57:16] development can threaten its long-term
[1:57:18] preservation.
[1:57:20] The GMA identifies historic preservation
[1:57:24] as part of its comprehensive plan.
[1:57:25] That's RCW
[1:57:27] 36.78.210
[1:57:30] number 14.
[1:57:32] So, I'm asking the council to make
[1:57:35] historical preservation
[1:57:37] a part of the comprehensive plan, an
[1:57:40] intentional part of our alignment, not
[1:57:44] as an afterthought.
[1:57:46] Let's plan for the future without
[1:57:48] erasing the past. Some people may call
[1:57:51] my voice misleading or creating
[1:57:54] unnecessary concern. Just check
[1:57:56] Facebook.
[1:57:58] >> But I'm going to respectfully disagree.
[1:58:02] I'm looking at the numbers. I'm looking
[1:58:05] at what the proposed recommendations
[1:58:07] could mean when they are translated from
[1:58:09] a document onto actual buildings, actual
[1:58:13] streets, actual traffic,
[1:58:16] actual infrastructure, and actual
[1:58:18] neighborhoods.
[1:58:20] A number on a page may look harmless,
[1:58:23] but 17 dwellings per unit
[1:58:26] is a number. For Oldtown historic
[1:58:30] Duvall,
[1:58:31] 17 units become buildings.
[1:58:35] become people. People become
[1:58:39] water, sewer. Everybody needs the roads,
[1:58:43] emergency services. Thank you, Mike.
[1:58:47] schools, walkways and transportation.
[1:58:50] And the question I am asking is not
[1:58:53] should Duvall grow and of course we're
[1:58:55] going to grow.
[1:58:57] I believe we have an obligation to look
[1:58:59] beyond meeting a numerical target. We
[1:59:02] need to understand the consequences of
[1:59:04] the number we adopt to our historic
[1:59:06] district as well as our up and middle
[1:59:09] towns.
[1:59:11] We know our infrastructure cannot
[1:59:13] support the density compliment
[1:59:15] contemplated. We need to understand what
[1:59:17] these zoning changes could mean to our
[1:59:19] town, our roads, and our quality of
[1:59:21] life. And we need to make sure that the
[1:59:23] community understands what is actually
[1:59:26] being proposed before any decisions are
[1:59:29] being made. And I'm not asking you, the
[1:59:32] council, to reject growth,
[1:59:35] but we didn't even look for
[1:59:36] alternatives.
[1:59:38] I'm asking you to do the work of
[1:59:39] understanding the scale of the growth
[1:59:41] and push back.
[1:59:43] And I'm asking you not to dismiss a
[1:59:47] concerned citizen's voice simply because
[1:59:50] it challenges a consultant's number.
[1:59:55] 50 years ago, I didn't have a voice.
[1:59:59] Tonight, I do.
[2:00:03] I intend to use it respectfully,
[2:00:06] factually, and persistently,
[2:00:10] not to create drama or mislead.
[2:00:14] not to stop Duvall from moving forward
[2:00:17] because I have
[2:00:25] » tr Watson. How are we on
[2:00:27] >> pass? Okay, the minutes have passed on.
[2:00:32] Okay,
[2:00:34] >> I see Terry Manville with a question
[2:00:37] mark. So, I just want to check in with
[2:00:38] you if you'd like to speak. Okay. So,
[2:00:41] and are you speaking on behalf of
[2:00:42] yourself? You have a step. Okay.
[2:00:48] » I'm Terry Mandville. I live in
[2:00:50] unincorporated Duval. Um, but my friends
[2:00:55] are here in in incorporated Duval. And I
[2:00:58] just need to say I grew up in the
[2:01:02] northeast corner of Seattle when it was
[2:01:05] all woods and it was a wonderful place
[2:01:08] to grow up. Now it's all culde-sacs and
[2:01:11] okay, it's inside Seattle city limit. So
[2:01:14] maybe that's what's supposed to happen.
[2:01:15] The growth is supposed to happen there.
[2:01:17] Then I lived outside of Woodenville
[2:01:20] and on 8 acres of trees and had chickens
[2:01:24] and it was beautiful and they started
[2:01:27] having town meetings about increasing
[2:01:30] growth and we were promised that the
[2:01:32] character of our neighborhood would
[2:01:34] remain
[2:01:36] but it didn't. I moved out of there,
[2:01:40] moved outside of Kirkland on um Ben Hill
[2:01:43] where there were orchards and farms and
[2:01:46] trees and and
[2:01:49] um space and place for my kids to grow
[2:01:52] up. And
[2:01:54] they started having town meetings about
[2:01:57] growth. And we were promised that the
[2:02:00] character of our community would remain
[2:02:03] the same, that it could mesh with growth
[2:02:07] and it would be fine. They tore down my
[2:02:09] house and built three monstrosity
[2:02:13] houses with no yards. Um that was
[2:02:17] supposed to be for affordable housing,
[2:02:19] but they're a million dollars a piece,
[2:02:21] so I don't know who can afford those. Um
[2:02:24] I moved out here. I keep moving farther
[2:02:28] and farther away to beautiful places and
[2:02:31] I just don't want the same thing to
[2:02:32] happen here and that's it.
[2:02:35] >> Thank you.
[2:02:40] » Uh Michaela G.
[2:02:43] >> Okay.
[2:02:45] >> Got it. Okay. Uh Meg Town,
[2:02:49] did you want to speak?
[2:02:50] >> Yes.
[2:02:50] >> Okay. And are you speaking on behalf of
[2:02:52] yourself?
[2:02:54] >> [clears throat]
[2:02:58] » M town and I live in unincorporated um
[2:03:02] Duvall Terry Valley Way and we uh
[2:03:07] several years ago were impacted by the
[2:03:10] North Hill development and came to a
[2:03:13] resolution on that after quite some time
[2:03:15] and um that was not fun. Um
[2:03:20] infrastructure is huge um when it
[2:03:24] development gets ahead of the
[2:03:25] infrastructure. Um it impacts not just
[2:03:28] Duvall itself but the unincorporated
[2:03:31] areas too. I appreciate um the advocacy
[2:03:35] for our current downtown the soul of I
[2:03:39] agree it's the soul of Duvall. when we
[2:03:41] have floods, we gather in our downtown.
[2:03:45] We have Duvall TV present and it helps
[2:03:48] us get through some of those harder
[2:03:50] times. And without that, um, it just we
[2:03:54] would be missing this whole um, our
[2:03:56] businesses that are here, the small
[2:03:58] businesses that have worked hard to
[2:04:00] preserve the historical quality of this
[2:04:03] town. um is something that I treasure
[2:04:06] and value and hope to continue to have
[2:04:10] um when I come into town. So, I would
[2:04:12] like the zoning to be reconsidered that
[2:04:14] it not include the height and density of
[2:04:20] our historic town.
[2:04:23] >> Thank you.
[2:04:24] >> Uh Mike Town,
[2:04:26] >> do you want to speak and on behalf of
[2:04:28] yourself, I'm assuming? Okay.
[2:04:31] >> Hi, my name is Mike Town. I uh also live
[2:04:33] in Charity Valley and just representing
[2:04:36] myself on this. Um what Meg was talking
[2:04:40] about uh is something that I I think is
[2:04:43] a good story in regards to things that
[2:04:46] you might be able to um try to work
[2:04:50] around and coming up with the Sony.
[2:04:54] Today in the Seattle Times, there was an
[2:04:55] article. I don't know if any of you guys
[2:04:57] saw it, but it basically talked about
[2:05:00] how the movement of the population of
[2:05:03] King County is coming down to cities
[2:05:05] like the ball. And partially it's
[2:05:08] because you can tell I can get from here
[2:05:10] and also it's, you know, a little bit
[2:05:12] more affordable and of course it's what
[2:05:14] we all love. It's close to nature.
[2:05:17] And
[2:05:19] don't misunderstand
[2:05:21] a component of that is that all the big
[2:05:25] housing developers in this area have
[2:05:28] been also moving out to these areas. And
[2:05:32] I want to talk about our experience with
[2:05:34] one of them just so that you can
[2:05:36] understand kind of the concerns we have
[2:05:38] about this. As mentioned,
[2:05:41] um, a couple years ago, we live in
[2:05:43] Cherry Valley, just down on the high
[2:05:45] school. Uh, the largest builder of homes
[2:05:48] in the United States decided they were
[2:05:50] going to build a 100 homes on that hill.
[2:05:52] And they were going to take all the
[2:05:53] storm water from the streets, the roofs,
[2:05:56] and the gardens and pipe it down into
[2:06:00] King County directly into the valley. We
[2:06:03] woke up one day and we found out that
[2:06:06] they were going to dump all their storm
[2:06:08] water 25 ft from our well which serves
[2:06:12] seven different families.
[2:06:14] [clears throat] The city of Duval okay
[2:06:16] it
[2:06:19] bought it and we bought it because
[2:06:21] there's a whole bunch of ordinance both
[2:06:24] on the state and county um docket that
[2:06:27] showed that they couldn't do this. Now
[2:06:30] that corporation knew that
[2:06:33] But they also knew that they were in a
[2:06:35] small town who sometimes doesn't have
[2:06:39] the manpower for dual diligence in
[2:06:42] regards to things that you can do, but
[2:06:47] we want a settlement from them. And
[2:06:51] what it taught us was that this is going
[2:06:55] to happen again.
[2:06:58] And when you build the type of units
[2:07:01] that you're talking about out there,
[2:07:04] these are the developers that you're
[2:07:06] going to get. And if you were to find
[2:07:09] the name of the top three and Google
[2:07:12] them and use the word lawsuit, you're
[2:07:16] going to run into pages and pages and
[2:07:18] pages of it. And so I think that when
[2:07:22] you write the ordinance, you have to
[2:07:25] make sure that the city's enforcement of
[2:07:30] the policy is going to occur, which
[2:07:34] means you need a revenue source in
[2:07:36] order.
[2:07:38] >> Thank you, Brett. Hi. Um,
[2:07:42] >> okay. You said we have time for one
[2:07:43] more. So, we just have time for one more
[2:07:45] commenter. I just want to check in with
[2:07:46] Nina Oshopski.
[2:07:49] Fine.
[2:07:49] >> It's fine. Okay. And then Elizabeth
[2:07:52] Hill, would you like to speak?
[2:07:54] >> Yes.
[2:07:54] >> Okay. And then, are you speaking on
[2:07:56] behalf of yourself or an organization?
[2:07:58] >> Myself.
[2:07:59] >> Yourself. Okay. Thank you.
[2:08:03] >> He was crying with tears running down
[2:08:05] his face. He was an older man than I am
[2:08:08] now.
[2:08:10] is what he said to me is, you know,
[2:08:12] Elizabeth, it doesn't bother me at all
[2:08:15] that people that recently moved here
[2:08:18] want to be involved in the process and
[2:08:20] plan for the future. I just wish that
[2:08:24] they would first hear what we planned,
[2:08:28] what we've been working for, what we've
[2:08:31] spent our life on. And that man was Ray
[2:08:35] Burren. And for those of you who may not
[2:08:38] know, Ray Muran was instrumental in
[2:08:41] getting the Doherty house. He was
[2:08:44] instrumental in getting McCormic Park in
[2:08:47] ways people don't know about. He donated
[2:08:51] the depot building to the city. He
[2:08:54] bought the restrooms for the city. He
[2:08:57] did many, many other things. He was a
[2:09:00] private person in some ways. He did tons
[2:09:03] of things for the senior center. And I
[2:09:06] have to say I feel like that old man now
[2:09:09] because I feel like instead of starting
[2:09:12] with hey the state wants this what do we
[2:09:16] want to do about it
[2:09:19] how can we work together and come as a
[2:09:21] community from where we've been in our
[2:09:24] long-term vision of having OldTown which
[2:09:27] has been our priority for decades and decades.
[2:09:32] we're kind of going to the consultants
[2:09:35] first and I've been a consultant so I
[2:09:37] understand they bring a lot of value to
[2:09:39] the table and now we're like here's the
[2:09:43] here's what we're going to do probably
[2:09:45] what do you all think about it and I
[2:09:47] think that's where people are feeling
[2:09:50] like well wait a minute what's happening
[2:09:53] and I could be wrong but I do think
[2:09:56] that's why there's so many people here
[2:09:58] tonight because it moves so fast and I
[2:10:02] understand the state wants things. I get
[2:10:05] that. I also understand that Carnation
[2:10:08] pushed back on what the state wanted. I
[2:10:10] don't know if we tried, if we were
[2:10:12] successful. I don't know.
[2:10:14] >> Um,
[2:10:16] I appreciate everyone here that's
[2:10:18] volunteering their time to be on council
[2:10:21] and the mayor and and city staff. I know
[2:10:24] it's a harder job. I really do. Um, I do
[2:10:28] a lot even though I live in
[2:10:29] unincorporated King County.
[2:10:32] I do a lot within the city limits for
[2:10:34] Duval Foundation for the Arts, although
[2:10:36] we haven't had a chance to meet yet. And frankly, I need to learn more and
[2:10:41] I'm hoping to hear the presentation
[2:10:43] tonight to know what changes are being
[2:10:45] proposed for Oldtown and the surrounding
[2:10:48] areas because we're certainly hearing a
[2:10:51] lot of conflicting information.
[2:10:53] And a lot of the people that we're
[2:10:55] hearing from are people that I've known
[2:10:56] and have trusted for decades and decades. That doesn't mean I don't
[2:11:01] trust the new people, but something isn't working.
[2:11:06] >> Thank you.
[2:11:11] » So, with that, we've reached our aotted
[2:11:14] time. We're going to move on with our
[2:11:15] business agenda, but it will reopen
[2:11:18] after the last item, which is a closed
[2:11:20] session. Public comment will reopen per
[2:11:22] council instruction, and then I will
[2:11:24] pick back up on that list.
[2:11:26] >> What time will that be? I have no time
[2:11:29] prediction of that.
[2:11:30] >> Oh yes.
[2:11:30] >> So next up we have our consent agenda.
[2:11:33] Um does anyone on council want to make
[2:11:35] uh a motion to
[2:11:36] >> approve?
[2:11:41] Second. It's
[2:11:41] >> been moved and seconded. We approve the
[2:11:43] consent agenda. All those in favor say
[2:11:45] I.
[2:11:47] >> I.
[2:11:48] >> All those opposed say nay.
[2:11:51] >> Motion passes. Consent agenda is
[2:11:53] approved. uh during the committee the
[2:11:55] whole meeting before this meeting we had
[2:11:56] some extra time so we did cover most of
[2:12:00] my report the mayor's report and the
[2:12:02] city administrator's update however
[2:12:04] there was one item I did save off of my
[2:12:06] report that I will do now and that was
[2:12:08] our meeting with the executive
[2:12:11] okay so city administrator McNav and I
[2:12:14] met with the King County with King
[2:12:16] County Executive Zahalai and his staff
[2:12:19] um basically the content of the meeting
[2:12:22] was by recap the content of the letter I
[2:12:24] sent back on January 30th of this year,
[2:12:27] which was an invitation to Duval and a
[2:12:30] request to discuss the city of Duval
[2:12:32] housing and growth targets. And that was
[2:12:34] the letter that council approved for me
[2:12:35] to send.
[2:12:37] So, in general, I highlighted the um
[2:12:40] lacking King County and state road
[2:12:42] infrastructure, transit services, the
[2:12:45] lack of wraparound services in Duval
[2:12:47] that support additional population and
[2:12:49] lack of adequate transit to get to those
[2:12:51] services reliably, and the many
[2:12:54] emergency and disaster situations we're
[2:12:56] vulnerable to out here. Um due to the
[2:12:59] potential of disasters like flooding,
[2:13:00] wildfires and more, I ask for
[2:13:03] non-ontiguous cities like Duvall to be
[2:13:05] thought of differently and potentially
[2:13:07] look at what is our maximum population
[2:13:09] out here rather than constantly
[2:13:11] gradually adding more and more and more
[2:13:13] and just thinking at some point we need
[2:13:15] to look at a maximum. I also ask that
[2:13:18] the next time King County votes through
[2:13:20] the next round of growth allocation that
[2:13:21] electeds be brought in more than
[2:13:23] previously to weigh in on those
[2:13:25] discussions as they directly represent
[2:13:27] the residents of the city. I believe the
[2:13:30] last round was mostly staff on staff and
[2:13:32] there was not a lot of elected
[2:13:33] engagement and I think that's a really
[2:13:35] important uh distinction. So I did call
[2:13:37] that out for the executive. Um, so as we
[2:13:41] discussed at the council, um, before I
[2:13:43] became mayor and then at with the new
[2:13:45] letter in that role, um, I did not
[2:13:48] formally ask for a reconciliation. That
[2:13:50] was not council consensus. However, I
[2:13:53] did in general ask them, is King County
[2:13:56] considering reconciliations right now?
[2:13:59] And their answer was that the county
[2:14:01] will be restarting the growth allocation
[2:14:03] process in 2029. So take from that what
[2:14:06] you will. I think it's important that um
[2:14:08] while the new growth allocation process
[2:14:10] does begin in 2029, we have an
[2:14:12] opportunity to inform in a data-driven
[2:14:15] way the numbers as early as 2028 and a
[2:14:18] thoughtful plan can show that the county
[2:14:20] methodology and allocation of numbers
[2:14:22] have not resulted in the development of
[2:14:24] affordable housing as can be seen
[2:14:26] through the affordable housing reporting
[2:14:28] tool for non-ontiguous Snalami Valley
[2:14:30] cities. So basically creating more
[2:14:32] capacity has not resulted in more
[2:14:34] interest from developers given the
[2:14:36] constraints out here. Um we also talked
[2:14:38] a bit about programs like ARCH. Um you
[2:14:41] know we were just recently asked by SCA
[2:14:43] why don't cities like us pay into ARCH
[2:14:46] or regularly participate in that and the
[2:14:48] simple answer is ARCH is never going to
[2:14:50] build a project out here and why would
[2:14:51] they? We don't have the transit. We
[2:14:53] don't have the wraparound services. So
[2:14:54] just explaining a little bit more of
[2:14:56] that um and why that wouldn't happen out
[2:14:59] here. But we still need right-sized
[2:15:01] projects like senior housing and things
[2:15:03] like that like our nation was able to do
[2:15:05] with their senior center. Um some
[2:15:07] non-growth related items that were
[2:15:09] accomplished in this meeting is after we
[2:15:12] got through the content of the letter we
[2:15:14] took an impromptu walk down to the
[2:15:16] Stonewall River and it was really
[2:15:18] important because along the way we were
[2:15:19] able to point out our various
[2:15:21] facilities. Um I was able to show
[2:15:23] executive Zahalai the fa very faded
[2:15:25] signage on the Snowali Valley Trail. We
[2:15:27] were talking about how our segment of
[2:15:29] the trail compared to other cities is
[2:15:31] extremely underinvested. And of course,
[2:15:33] he noticed that our signs even had the
[2:15:35] old Imperial logo of King County. Though
[2:15:37] I think showing the eroding shoreline in
[2:15:39] McCormack Park as well as just the
[2:15:41] general proximity to these big natural
[2:15:43] features we have like the river and then
[2:15:45] walking back up to city hall. It's a big
[2:15:47] hill to walk back up and just I think
[2:15:49] it's just there's a uniqueness to Dubal
[2:15:51] that have to be felt and experienced and
[2:15:53] I can't put into a letter. So, we were
[2:15:56] really excited to have him out here to
[2:15:58] see it for himself. Um, but with that, I
[2:16:01] would and I'll check in with you if
[2:16:02] there's anything you would add to that
[2:16:04] or did I mostly cover everything?
[2:16:06] >> Yeah, I think so. We've had um an
[2:16:08] opportunity for one of his staff members
[2:16:09] to write back to us as well regarding
[2:16:12] the affordable housing target and the
[2:16:15] opportunity we have not necessarily to
[2:16:18] go back and relitigate the 2023 numbers
[2:16:21] through reconciliation but to look
[2:16:22] forward and work on a reconciliation in
[2:16:26] the future when they reopen the
[2:16:28] affordable housing inventory tool which
[2:16:31] begins as early as 2028.
[2:16:34] >> Okay. So, with that, um, and I'll go to
[2:16:37] you in one second. I guess, you know,
[2:16:39] with this part of my report, I just
[2:16:41] wanted to open it back up to council
[2:16:43] since that was under your direction. And
[2:16:45] like I said, you can always ask for it.
[2:16:47] I think the answer from them was quite
[2:16:48] clear of what they're thinking is more
[2:16:51] look forward to that next process. I
[2:16:54] know that's not the answer a lot of
[2:16:55] people probably want, but mayor.
[2:16:57] >> Yeah, it was more just was whether it
[2:17:00] was a question or a point of
[2:17:01] information. Um just hearing from the
[2:17:03] public comments and and I know um city
[2:17:07] administrator touched on this a little
[2:17:09] bit during the council the whole but
[2:17:12] just the clarification that we we
[2:17:15] submitted a plan and it had based on a
[2:17:17] certain set of numbers and it was
[2:17:20] rejected and we're under appeal and I
[2:17:22] don't know that that's clear to everyone
[2:17:23] in the room. I want to make sure that is clear that this is not the
[2:17:27] original goround. There was a lot of
[2:17:29] community engagement. It was over
[2:17:30] multiple years. we had public sessions.
[2:17:33] Um that plan was submitted and then it
[2:17:36] was uh rejected at both the state and at the county level. And so we're
[2:17:40] going through the appeal process now. So
[2:17:42] it is a little more constrained than if
[2:17:44] we were doing this from scratch based on
[2:17:46] time and and deadlines in order to meet
[2:17:50] the statutory requirements for the
[2:17:51] appeal process. But I wanted to to make
[2:17:53] sure that the city administrator and or you mayor just you know clarify that
[2:17:57] for the room since we have a slightly
[2:17:59] different audience in here now than we
[2:18:00] had during the council whole meeting.
[2:18:02] >> Yeah. And I think since we were able to
[2:18:03] cover some of these things in the
[2:18:05] committee the whole but there's
[2:18:06] obviously a lot of people here it might
[2:18:07] be beneficial to recover some of those
[2:18:09] and do you want to wait to have a light
[2:18:11] discussion with council about what I
[2:18:13] just talked about first or did you want
[2:18:14] to go back through this first?
[2:18:16] >> I can just show one slide to respond
[2:18:18] directly to Mayor Prom. So if we go a
[2:18:20] couple slides in uh one couple more
[2:18:25] to this one. Yeah, there we go.
[2:18:29] >> Um so
[2:18:31] the comprehensive plan wasn't appealed
[2:18:34] per se. Um the land use element and the
[2:18:39] capacity analysis was appealed. So back
[2:18:44] in 2024, the comprehensive plan covers a
[2:18:46] lot of things. And so there was a large
[2:18:49] public process um in 2024 with the
[2:18:54] steering committee. So the steering
[2:18:55] committee was made up and
[2:18:56] [clears throat] comprised of community
[2:18:58] members who steered the direction of the
[2:19:00] comprehensive plan and all of the
[2:19:02] elements including transportation, land
[2:19:05] use, housing, parks, trails, and open
[2:19:07] space, economic development. I'm sure
[2:19:09] I'm saying one. Um so that public
[2:19:12] process with the steering committee
[2:19:14] resulted um on the timeline you see here
[2:19:17] a series of public meetings to steer the
[2:19:20] direction of the comprehensive plan. We
[2:19:23] also had a separate community steering
[2:19:28] um steering committee comprised of
[2:19:29] community members and public outreach on
[2:19:32] the housing action plan. And the housing
[2:19:34] action plan is an element of the
[2:19:36] comprehensive plan. It speaks to all the
[2:19:38] housing policies that are in the city.
[2:19:42] What the city failed to do when we
[2:19:45] passed a comprehensive plan in December
[2:19:47] of 2025 was to simultaneously
[2:19:51] zone for capacity. So, the cities that
[2:19:54] didn't get appealed did all of it. the
[2:19:57] city of Duval failed to show that we had
[2:20:00] capacity for housing, specifically um
[2:20:04] rates of affordable housing um under 80%
[2:20:07] AMI and we didn't plan for our um jobs
[2:20:12] numbers and so those elements of our
[2:20:16] comprehensive plan were appealed. So, we
[2:20:18] were directed by the state attorney
[2:20:19] general office and the state commerce
[2:20:23] department to fix those items of the
[2:20:25] comprehensive plan. So, we're not
[2:20:27] redoing this massive project that
[2:20:29] happened in 2024. We are doing an
[2:20:32] element of it that should have been done
[2:20:34] back when we passed the entire
[2:20:36] comprehensive plan.
[2:20:37] >> Um, relative to kind of how the state is
[2:20:41] viewing cities. Um so we are one of the
[2:20:44] few cities that got appealed along with
[2:20:46] Mercer Island. Um some cities didn't get
[2:20:49] appealed directly but are now under an
[2:20:53] audit from the department of commerce
[2:20:55] including our neighbors to the south
[2:20:57] carnation Bainbridge Island Bozart. So
[2:21:00] there were two directions that the state
[2:21:02] basically said you will manage your
[2:21:04] comprehensive plan and do what we tell
[2:21:06] you to do in terms of regulatory
[2:21:08] changes. That was like us. we got
[2:21:10] appealed and the other process is these
[2:21:13] single audits that um the cities who
[2:21:17] also didn't meet their capacity
[2:21:20] requirements got uh audited by the
[2:21:22] department of commerce. So there was
[2:21:24] kind of two ways um that this happened.
[2:21:27] We are under a settlement agreement with
[2:21:28] the department of commerce. We are
[2:21:30] required to do a set of um items that is
[2:21:34] an adopted work plan by December 31st,
[2:21:37] 2026. So we have about five more months.
[2:21:41] That doesn't mean that there isn't other
[2:21:42] work that we can do once we get through
[2:21:44] the appeal. So things like creating
[2:21:47] historical overlays or uh affordable
[2:21:50] housing overlays complement our
[2:21:52] comprehensive plan. And if you look at
[2:21:54] the land use element in the housing
[2:21:56] action plan, those kinds of things,
[2:21:58] those kind of programs are embedded in
[2:22:01] the comprehensive plan that was adopted
[2:22:03] in 2025. So we have to do kind of a list
[2:22:07] of six things that the state is telling
[2:22:08] us to do by the end of 2026. But that
[2:22:11] doesn't mean that there isn't more work
[2:22:12] that can complement the comprehensive
[2:22:14] plan in 2027 and 2028.
[2:22:16] >> I hope that answers your question.
[2:22:18] >> I other council members
[2:22:22] and I mean at this point you don't need
[2:22:23] to make a decision. I just you know
[2:22:25] wanted to update you on what our meeting
[2:22:27] was like with the King County Executive
[2:22:29] and uh Council Member Olen.
[2:22:32] >> Yeah. Yeah, I just wanted to ask to what
[2:22:34] degree Executive Zahalai was was as
[2:22:37] sympathetic and I mean this is a soft
[2:22:38] thing, not a hard thing, but to what to
[2:22:40] what degree was he empathetic at all to
[2:22:42] some of the concerns we have around
[2:22:44] emergency medical services, around
[2:22:45] infrastructure, uh as it relates to
[2:22:48] adding so much development.
[2:22:52] >> Uh I mean, okay, I'm swiggling here. I
[2:22:57] um you know, I made the case for Duvall.
[2:23:00] I'm going to continue to make the case
[2:23:01] for Duvall. have become a squeaky wheel
[2:23:03] in every regional committee that I
[2:23:04] attend. Executive Zahalai is on some of
[2:23:07] those. Um I didn't say anything new that
[2:23:10] I haven't been saying since January in
[2:23:12] this letter and for the last eight years
[2:23:14] that I've been serving the city. So it's
[2:23:18] um you know honestly I feel a little
[2:23:20] frustrated. I think they're not quite in
[2:23:22] that level of detail. They are just
[2:23:24] looking at big regional things. Actually
[2:23:26] that's one thing that um thank you. You
[2:23:28] just reminded me talking about
[2:23:30] affordability. You know, I also had
[2:23:32] pointed out to him that we're regionally
[2:23:35] affordable. So, we're affordable
[2:23:37] compared to Kirkland, compared to
[2:23:38] Redmond, but someone had mentioned their daughter couldn't live here. My
[2:23:41] mom would love to live here and she
[2:23:43] can't. So, she lives up in Everett. And
[2:23:45] so, I'm like, regional affordability,
[2:23:47] that's what they're looking. They're
[2:23:48] looking way up here. And I'm saying
[2:23:50] locally, we're not affordable. You can't
[2:23:52] grow up here and get your first place at
[2:23:55] working a job in VBA. That just doesn't
[2:23:57] exist here. And so I think there is not
[2:24:00] quite an understanding and this was kind
[2:24:02] of the job question that had come up
[2:24:03] asking well where do your service
[2:24:05] workers live and I'm like not here
[2:24:08] mostly or a lot of our service workers
[2:24:10] are the teenagers and I talked about the
[2:24:11] flooding and how the teenagers were
[2:24:13] running the town when everything was
[2:24:14] shut down and I think there's just a
[2:24:17] little disconnect right and so this is a
[2:24:19] part of that relationship building and I
[2:24:21] will keep telling the story of Duval
[2:24:23] non-ontiguous cities and for people who
[2:24:26] don't know that term that just means
[2:24:27] We're not a city that bumps right up
[2:24:29] against another city. I also really, I
[2:24:32] think hopefully drove home the point
[2:24:34] that we constantly serve unincorporated
[2:24:37] King County residents and that's okay.
[2:24:39] We are their town, too, even though they
[2:24:41] don't live in the city limits. But some
[2:24:44] recognition every time that King County
[2:24:46] passes a new tax or does something new,
[2:24:48] is a pass through to the city,
[2:24:49] recognizing that our parks serve King
[2:24:51] County residents as well. So, there was
[2:24:54] a lot of discussion. I can't really, you
[2:24:57] know, answer your question because I
[2:24:58] just don't know. I didn't feel a whole
[2:25:01] lot of reaction at all if that sort of
[2:25:03] answers your question, but I, you know,
[2:25:05] I don't know what he was thinking or
[2:25:06] what where his mind was at. My hope is
[2:25:08] just that this is one of many future
[2:25:11] conversations that I will continue to
[2:25:12] have and I won't stop reaching out and telling that story of Dubal and why
[2:25:17] we're different. So, I don't know. Does
[2:25:19] that kind of answer your [laughter]
[2:25:21] question?
[2:25:23] >> Yeah. I I mean that that's that's
[2:25:24] essentially what I expected and and
[2:25:27] I think it's important to continue
[2:25:29] telling the story. I you know I I I do
[2:25:31] the same whenever I have the opportunity
[2:25:32] and so yeah just to help them understand
[2:25:34] and start to see you know the picture at our level um is is important. So
[2:25:40] thank you.
[2:25:40] >> Yeah I mean I did I mean maybe I don't
[2:25:42] know I got the impression that maybe he
[2:25:44] hadn't heard some of these perspectives
[2:25:46] before. So I am happy to continue
[2:25:48] sending those perspectives his way
[2:25:50] [laughter] over to his staff. So
[2:25:52] >> well and I would say he chose to bring
[2:25:54] as one of the staff members that
[2:25:56] accompanied him the lead regional
[2:25:58] planner in King County. So he had the
[2:26:01] right person in the room to hear our
[2:26:03] concerns around our growth targets.
[2:26:05] >> That was a very valuable connection and
[2:26:07] yeah thank you for mentioning that. I
[2:26:09] think that will be key going forward in
[2:26:10] the future and looking forward to when
[2:26:13] this round of next round of reallocation
[2:26:17] uh starts again. And I think we're
[2:26:19] getting some good partners. Uh SCA,
[2:26:21] which is Sound Cities Association, for
[2:26:23] those in the room that don't know that
[2:26:24] acronym, um they have their small cities
[2:26:26] work group. And I think AWC is also
[2:26:29] getting I know their definition of a
[2:26:30] small city is way smaller than us, but
[2:26:32] um I think there's some good work
[2:26:34] happening as a region and we're starting
[2:26:37] to get louder and more organized and um
[2:26:39] I'm happy to help contribute to that
[2:26:41] anywhere I can.
[2:26:44] Are there other questions or thoughts?
[2:26:45] And like I said, you don't have to um I
[2:26:48] guess sort of my I just want to at least
[2:26:50] tell you what happened and you can think
[2:26:52] about, you know, is there anything else
[2:26:54] you want to do at this point other than
[2:26:56] plan for that round that is coming in a
[2:27:00] little over a year, honestly. So, um
[2:27:03] yeah, other council members.
[2:27:06] Okay. And then I wanted to I know we
[2:27:08] covered the city administrators report.
[2:27:10] Is there anything you wanted to recover
[2:27:11] or are you good?
[2:27:13] >> I don't think [clears throat] so.
[2:27:13] >> Yeah. Okay. Um, I know that's not usual,
[2:27:16] but like I said, we have a lot of people
[2:27:17] in the room. Um, so next up we have
[2:27:18] council reports. Are there any council
[2:27:20] members wanting to speak tonight?
[2:27:23] Council member Olen,
[2:27:27] >> I did have a a report. I I'll thank you
[2:27:29] for that. I I'll start with with just
[2:27:32] kind of echoing on the same topic. I
[2:27:33] mean, so one of the one of the events I
[2:27:35] attended recently was the the Sound
[2:27:38] Cities Association summer social at the Lake Wilderness Lodge in Maple
[2:27:41] Valley. And um I'm going to edit this
[2:27:44] down a little bit just given the the
[2:27:46] nature of the evening. Um I had two two
[2:27:49] really interesting conversations there.
[2:27:51] One of them was with the keynote speaker
[2:27:53] was was former King County Executive
[2:27:56] Shannon Bradock and it was a really
[2:27:58] interesting conversation with her. She
[2:28:00] now is the the president and CEO of
[2:28:02] Greater president and CEO of Greater
[2:28:05] Seattle Partners, which is a public
[2:28:07] private partnership focused on regional
[2:28:09] economic development and attracting jobs
[2:28:11] and investment to the greater Seattle
[2:28:12] area. And so, you know, I pulled her
[2:28:14] aside and we spoke for a little bit
[2:28:16] about what might be important for a
[2:28:18] small town like Duvall. Um because a lot
[2:28:22] of times, you know, they're they're
[2:28:23] really thinking big picture and they're
[2:28:24] thinking, you know, Seattle and they're
[2:28:25] thinking Redmond and, you know,
[2:28:27] Belleview and and things like that and
[2:28:28] huge economic drivers for the for the,
[2:28:31] you know, for the the community at
[2:28:32] large. And I pulled her aside and I
[2:28:34] said, you know, what what should we be
[2:28:35] thinking about, you know, as as a
[2:28:37] smaller town? And she said, really, you
[2:28:39] know, there's there's actually a lot of
[2:28:40] value to the region in general in being
[2:28:43] a better community, so don't overlook
[2:28:46] that, and it's okay if that's what you
[2:28:48] choose to do, she said. But really what
[2:28:50] what's important is that as a community
[2:28:52] you stop and you think about what do you
[2:28:54] want your true north to be. Um and then
[2:28:57] focus on on that. Focus on what that
[2:28:59] true north is. You know, do you want to
[2:29:01] be a a music and arts community? Do you
[2:29:03] want to be a veteran community? What
[2:29:04] does that look like? Um and then build
[2:29:06] your policies around that. And I just
[2:29:08] thought that was a really interesting uh
[2:29:10] comment from her. Um so that was one
[2:29:12] really interesting conversation I had.
[2:29:13] And the other conversation I had was
[2:29:16] with uh a member of the governor's
[2:29:18] office. He happened to be there. He was
[2:29:20] the governor's representative for King
[2:29:22] County. And when he introduced himself,
[2:29:24] I mean, I just jumped at the opportunity
[2:29:25] and I I really had uh a similar
[2:29:29] conversation as what you described with
[2:29:31] executive Zahalai. You know, I I pulled
[2:29:33] him aside and I said, you know, can I
[2:29:35] take, you know, can I been your year for
[2:29:36] several minutes? And and so we walked
[2:29:38] off to the side and we sat down and I
[2:29:39] drew them a map of Duval and I explained
[2:29:42] what our roads infrastructure looks like
[2:29:44] and I talked about, you know, I talked
[2:29:46] about 203 and that's their road and I
[2:29:48] talked about WD and I talked about 124th
[2:29:51] and how these are county roads and
[2:29:53] they're not ours and I talked about what
[2:29:55] these expansion plans are and and how we
[2:29:57] have to reszone in order to satisfy, you
[2:29:59] know, Department of Commerce growth
[2:30:01] requirements and GMA growth
[2:30:02] requirements, but that we don't have the
[2:30:04] infrastructure really to support this.
[2:30:05] and I have real, you know, social equity
[2:30:08] concerns and that I like the idea for my
[2:30:10] kids to be able to have a home to move
[2:30:12] into when they're ready to join the
[2:30:14] workforce. Um, I like them being able to
[2:30:16] afford that. I like the idea of being
[2:30:18] able to downsize when when I retire. Uh,
[2:30:21] but though it's it's not necessarily
[2:30:22] affordable to do that right now. Um, and
[2:30:25] so I like the idea of adding affordable
[2:30:26] homes, but adding these affordable homes
[2:30:29] is really a challenge because as we
[2:30:31] invite new residents into our community,
[2:30:34] it's it's it's again it's really a
[2:30:36] challenge. You know, we had these floods
[2:30:38] and when this flood was here, how you
[2:30:41] know, we have to, you know, boat people
[2:30:43] across the river back and forth across
[2:30:44] the valley. We have mothers that can't
[2:30:46] get home to their kids and etc. So, it's
[2:30:48] a real concern. And so, how do we handle
[2:30:50] that? you know, and as I drew this map
[2:30:52] for him, you know, on the back of a
[2:30:53] napkin helped him understand that. He
[2:30:54] said, you know, I've heard similar
[2:30:57] concerns to this from other cities, but sitting here and kind of drawing it
[2:31:01] out with you, it really it really helps
[2:31:02] to hit home. And you know, I had a
[2:31:04] similar kind of conversation with
[2:31:05] Carnation, but um uh this was really
[2:31:08] impactful and thank you for that. And he ended up going back to his office and
[2:31:12] he said, "I'm going to talk with my
[2:31:14] policy people." Obviously, I don't
[2:31:15] expect any immediate action to come back
[2:31:16] from that, you know, but but he he did
[2:31:18] hear it and he said, "I'm going to speak
[2:31:20] with my policy people so we can, you
[2:31:22] know, begin thinking about how this
[2:31:23] impacts people in the future and, you
[2:31:25] know, the non-ontiguous city thing." And
[2:31:27] um he did follow up with me with an
[2:31:29] email the next day. Um and and kind of
[2:31:31] thanked me for the time and you know,
[2:31:33] some of that may have just been his job
[2:31:34] and that's what he's supposed to do, but
[2:31:36] I but he really did uh lend a sincere
[2:31:38] ear and really kind of internalize it
[2:31:40] and and provide good feedback. And so,
[2:31:43] um, I thought that was a really good
[2:31:44] conversation and and just, you know, he
[2:31:45] really invited me to follow up in the
[2:31:46] future. So, that was a good event and a
[2:31:49] good conversation. Um, so I really
[2:31:51] appreciated that. Um, and then
[2:31:55] one other one other mention I I'll offer
[2:31:57] which is really completely unrelated,
[2:31:59] but I thought it was a really good
[2:32:00] event. So I attended a session on
[2:32:02] emergency preparedness that was put on
[2:32:04] by the King Kob King County Office of
[2:32:06] Emergency Management and it was sort of
[2:32:08] a retrospective look at Sai and the
[2:32:12] impact of the the the great East Japan
[2:32:14] earthquake and the tsunami that followed
[2:32:16] and how it really devastated their
[2:32:18] community. And one of the the the the
[2:32:21] most fascinating takeaways I took from
[2:32:23] that was, you know, at first residents
[2:32:26] really reacted and were upset with local
[2:32:28] officials at how um how there were just
[2:32:32] such a massive failure uh from an
[2:32:34] infrastructure perspective to protect
[2:32:36] the community and and how things had
[2:32:37] gone wrong. But then they realized that
[2:32:39] this the the scale of the problem is
[2:32:42] just so massive that that one person
[2:32:46] can't solve it. Five people can't solve
[2:32:47] it. And so they've really kind of
[2:32:49] shifted the culture uh entirely there to
[2:32:53] now the community as a whole has adopted
[2:32:56] responsibility for for
[2:32:59] emergency preparedness. And so this has
[2:33:02] gone so far as to um for example it's
[2:33:06] now built into the school curriculum.
[2:33:08] And so they take, you know, their their
[2:33:10] elementary school kids out and the kids
[2:33:12] in classroom, they draw maps of the
[2:33:14] community and then they go out and they
[2:33:16] walk around the community and they look
[2:33:17] at low points in elevation and high
[2:33:19] points in elevation and if there's
[2:33:21] flooding, here's the quickest way to get
[2:33:23] to the higher point in elevation. And
[2:33:25] you the the way they build their
[2:33:26] infrastructure now, you know, they they
[2:33:27] actually elevate streets. So if a
[2:33:30] tsunami comes in, you know, the elevated
[2:33:32] streets act as BMS to slow down, you
[2:33:35] know, water coming in. I it was just a
[2:33:37] really fascinating look um at at how the culture of the community shifted um
[2:33:43] to help distribute uh and carry the
[2:33:45] weight of some of these burdens. And so
[2:33:47] anyway, it was it was a really
[2:33:48] interesting thing and so uh I was really
[2:33:50] impressed by that. You know, middle
[2:33:52] schoolers learned how to do water
[2:33:53] distribution uh for the entire town as a
[2:33:55] part of their their uh um curriculum. So
[2:33:59] it was an interesting it was a really
[2:34:00] interesting session. Um so that was that
[2:34:02] was the last one. Then I guess suppose
[2:34:04] was the last thing uh barefoot Tim
[2:34:06] Mercer and I attended the the the
[2:34:08] working waterfront tour hosted by the
[2:34:10] port of Seattle where we went down to
[2:34:11] the to the port and got to tour around
[2:34:13] and understand the the economics of the
[2:34:16] port and and look at uh really all how
[2:34:19] everything different function. We look
[2:34:20] so we looked at the economics and we
[2:34:21] also looked at how um over time
[2:34:25] uh environmentally the the tribes have been involved and how they've done
[2:34:29] some environmental restoration and and
[2:34:31] uh kept the port in business and things
[2:34:33] like that. We had several good
[2:34:34] conversations with different mayors and
[2:34:35] council members and things while we were
[2:34:37] there. Uh it was really good
[2:34:38] relationship building as well. So uh
[2:34:40] several other events as well not as
[2:34:42] relevant for tonight. Um so I'll I'll
[2:34:44] leave it with that. Thank you.
[2:34:47] >> Great. Other council members have
[2:34:48] reports. Mayor Chris Summer.
[2:34:50] >> Yeah. So, I'll keep this relatively
[2:34:53] brief. Um, council member Olen touched
[2:34:55] on the port. I I think that was
[2:34:57] informative, but we always learn a lot,
[2:34:59] you know, in terms of the port is an
[2:35:00] economic driver for the region versus
[2:35:02] just Seattle is who we think of it and just the amount of, you know, even
[2:35:08] just seeing it visually in terms of the
[2:35:10] inlets and the various, it was much
[2:35:11] bigger than I think either one of us
[2:35:14] anticipated. Plus, it was some good
[2:35:16] opportunities to talk. There was a
[2:35:17] number of folks from the St. Paul Valley
[2:35:19] there as well as other other
[2:35:21] jurisdictions. Um there was not a a a
[2:35:24] public issues committee SCA or sound
[2:35:26] cities association public issues um
[2:35:29] committee meeting this month and they
[2:35:31] were in recess. Um but I think the I
[2:35:35] wanted to sort of revisit something that
[2:35:37] the city administrator touched on in
[2:35:39] terms of and you may in terms of other
[2:35:43] venues we have to to really drive this.
[2:35:45] Um I am on as part of also part of this
[2:35:49] the small cities working group which um
[2:35:52] sound cities association stood up to
[2:35:54] sort of address a need that they
[2:35:56] identify between how the association of
[2:35:59] Washington defines a small city which is
[2:36:00] I think under 50,000 or something you
[2:36:03] know it's it's quite large versus what
[2:36:05] we think of a small city um and then
[2:36:07] what we actually consider small cities
[2:36:09] and and I think um between that and the
[2:36:13] association Washington city's
[2:36:15] legislative priorities commission which
[2:36:17] I'm also part of. A lot of the focus
[2:36:19] this year has really been around uh
[2:36:21] engagement with elected officials at at
[2:36:24] a regional and a state level. And then
[2:36:26] also really trying to shift the
[2:36:29] conversation
[2:36:31] um you know because I think there's a
[2:36:33] perspective at the state level that
[2:36:34] small cities don't want to accommodate
[2:36:36] growth which is I even heard Father Ring
[2:36:38] this evening that's not necessarily the
[2:36:39] case. It's but but when we push back in
[2:36:43] terms of things, it's it tends to be
[2:36:44] viewed that way. So, we've actually been
[2:36:47] investing a lot of effort to really
[2:36:49] pivot the conversation to it not being a
[2:36:53] one-sizefits-all conversation. You know,
[2:36:55] how can we have more time to adopt some
[2:36:57] of these changes? Uh, can you take time
[2:36:59] to evaluate the changes in the
[2:37:02] legislation you push down to see if it's
[2:37:03] working or not? Um, can you create some
[2:37:06] different criteria so that Juvall is not
[2:37:08] treated the same as Belleview? because
[2:37:10] we're not the same as Belleview. We're
[2:37:11] not the same as Escoire or Windville.
[2:37:13] Um, and there are a lot of challenges
[2:37:15] around a non-ontiguous city as well as a
[2:37:17] city without a a large uh retail for uh
[2:37:20] there's the historic elements that we've
[2:37:22] talked about, there's being on the
[2:37:23] waterfront and the infrastructure needs.
[2:37:25] And so I think the conversation we had
[2:37:28] with representative the governor's
[2:37:29] office, even though they're in an
[2:37:31] executive function versus a legislative
[2:37:32] function, very empathetic, very
[2:37:35] understood. he was had an environmental
[2:37:37] background, sort of resonated a lot of
[2:37:39] the points and was going to take that
[2:37:41] back and connect. Um, but I did want to
[2:37:44] we had a meeting yesterday sort of a
[2:37:47] preview before we propose this year's
[2:37:50] legislative agenda to the the board just
[2:37:53] in terms of looking forward to the
[2:37:54] session, you know, at the state level
[2:37:56] since a lot of this comes down from the
[2:37:58] state and there is it's a little bit
[2:38:00] longer session. There is also expected
[2:38:02] to be a budget gap this year uh which
[2:38:05] will occupy a lot of their attention and really the core areas were
[2:38:09] education, housing and affordability
[2:38:12] jobs. And so some of these same themes
[2:38:15] but um the guidance we really received
[2:38:18] was you know be focused, be specific, be
[2:38:20] very narrow, don't ask for the sort of
[2:38:22] you know boil ocean very some very
[2:38:24] specific things. And then the other
[2:38:26] piece of guidance was engaging early
[2:38:28] which I think city administrator Nav
[2:38:30] you've already done. We do the hill
[2:38:31] climbs, we've built the relationships.
[2:38:33] Uh, and that's where the community can
[2:38:35] really help us because nothing, I think,
[2:38:38] moves the ball further than a good
[2:38:39] narrative. You know, building the story,
[2:38:42] being able to bring people into the
[2:38:43] town, uh, being able to, uh, convert an
[2:38:46] impact, you know, that that may be an
[2:38:48] individual impact to something that's
[2:38:50] affecting the broader community and then
[2:38:51] we can use that to move the Dell
[2:38:52] forward. But I also wanted to set
[2:38:54] expectations that on the one hand we're
[2:38:57] driving toward a lot of statutory nates
[2:38:59] which is moving relatively fast. On the
[2:39:02] other side the legislature moves very
[2:39:03] slow. So um you know again I want to
[2:39:07] welcome and appreciate everyone's who's
[2:39:09] providing input this evening. Um and
[2:39:11] just sort of highlight that we are
[2:39:12] working on this from a number of
[2:39:14] different angles not necessarily just
[2:39:16] from the perspective of this particular
[2:39:18] set of development and zoning changes.
[2:39:20] There are a lot of pieces that we're kind of trying to to move the ball
[2:39:23] forward.
[2:39:24] >> Yeah, thank you for that. Other council
[2:39:26] members have reports tonight.
[2:39:29] Okay. So, with that, we'll go ahead and
[2:39:31] move on to our presentations. First up,
[2:39:33] we have interlocal agreement with Isqua
[2:39:35] District Court with City Administrator
[2:39:36] McNav.
[2:39:38] >> I will make this very quick. So, I
[2:39:40] recognize that people in the audience
[2:39:41] are not waiting for this, [laughter]
[2:39:44] which totally fine. Um,
[2:39:47] but you know, interesting. So, uh, just
[2:39:50] quick background for anybody who might
[2:39:51] be curious, but I'll go really fast. Uh,
[2:39:55] delivers our court services. If any of
[2:39:57] you all doesn't have court, we can't
[2:39:58] afford to have our own court. So, we
[2:40:01] contract out with Isiqua to um both
[2:40:06] prosecute and defend uh any citation is
[2:40:09] issued here in Dubal. Next slide. Um, so
[2:40:13] we've been uh talking about a new
[2:40:15] agreement that IPA gave us. we weren't
[2:40:18] super happy with the draft of it. So, um
[2:40:22] we are looking to negotiate some of the
[2:40:24] terms in the ILA we have with the city
[2:40:27] of Isqua. Um but as part of that, not
[2:40:30] only talking to Qua about some changes
[2:40:33] in the contract they gave us, but
[2:40:35] looking at what other options we have.
[2:40:37] So, I'm in early conversation with the
[2:40:39] city of Balk to determine if they're
[2:40:41] interested in serving as a contract city
[2:40:43] for us just to get an idea of what a
[2:40:45] different model in a different city
[2:40:46] might look like. They have never done
[2:40:48] this, so it might not work out because
[2:40:51] we need to get our Isiqua ILA negotiated
[2:40:53] and adopted if we want to stick with
[2:40:56] Isqua by the end of September. But, um,
[2:40:59] really good conversation with both. I
[2:41:01] sent them over some data. We're
[2:41:03] hopefully by the end of the uh week
[2:41:05] going to have um just an understanding
[2:41:07] from their judge about whether or not
[2:41:09] they think that they can have the
[2:41:11] capacity for it because again it would
[2:41:12] be totally new in BL. Um yesterday I met
[2:41:16] with King County District Court. So they
[2:41:18] have a court in Redmond Isiqua. Um and
[2:41:22] we were with the King County District
[2:41:24] Court for our court services through an
[2:41:26] interlocal agreement uh up until 2021.
[2:41:29] That's when we moved to Isiqua. So, I
[2:41:31] met with them to discuss costs, our
[2:41:33] prior LIA, and to figure out if they
[2:41:37] would be a more affordable option with
[2:41:39] more favorable terms than its cloth. Um,
[2:41:42] and then I met with the city of Isqua
[2:41:44] yesterday afternoon along with our city
[2:41:46] attorney and their city attorney and
[2:41:49] four other staff to talk about proposed
[2:41:51] changes to the uh ILA draft that we got
[2:41:55] from them. Next slide. So, we had a
[2:41:58] really good conversation. So that's the good news. Um
[2:42:03] there we go. Um sorry it's really small
[2:42:06] font. Um so the city of Duval um so kind
[2:42:09] of next steps we are going to provide
[2:42:12] edited language to the 6D provision that
[2:42:16] we had a a good exchange on at the last
[2:42:19] meeting. So talking about advanced
[2:42:21] notice and approval for significant
[2:42:23] non-emergency expenses. We want itemized
[2:42:26] supporting documentation.
[2:42:28] want the ability to review in advance um
[2:42:31] before fees are imposed, kind of all the
[2:42:34] things listed here. So, I'm going to um
[2:42:38] edit the document. Uh our city attorney
[2:42:40] is going to review my edits and we'll
[2:42:42] get it over to the city of Isqua. They
[2:42:45] seem amendable to those changes. Um
[2:42:48] we'll also propose a shortened
[2:42:49] termination clause from one year to a
[2:42:52] shorter time frame um probably 6 months.
[2:42:55] And then next slide, it's aqua will
[2:42:59] amend the fee structure to a sliding
[2:43:00] scale based on the number of cases that
[2:43:03] we file. Um they'll look at a threshold
[2:43:06] number of filed cases prior to
[2:43:08] triggering the extraordinary cox
[2:43:10] threshold. So the question really became
[2:43:14] between 300 and x number. How much can
[2:43:17] the city of Ithacqua accommodate before
[2:43:20] we hit this level of them hiring new
[2:43:23] people, building a new court, all the
[2:43:25] kind of um extraordinary provisions in
[2:43:28] 6D and um they didn't they they gave us
[2:43:31] you know a number of 500. We don't know
[2:43:33] if that's a number um but we're going to
[2:43:36] change the cost model that we wouldn't
[2:43:39] hit even considering those extraordinary
[2:43:41] costs until we hit an upper ceiling. So,
[2:43:44] they're going to restructure um the fee
[2:43:46] schedule uh to look at that. Um we need
[2:43:50] to look at changing the length of time
[2:43:51] for remand from 30 minutes to 45
[2:43:54] minutes. Um Chief was feeling very
[2:43:56] optimistic when we talked last, but he
[2:43:58] was like, "No, 30 minutes isn't going to
[2:44:00] work." Um and then we're going to remove
[2:44:02] the binding arbitration clause. Next
[2:44:05] slide. So, really good conversation with
[2:44:08] district court. These are teeny. you'll
[2:44:11] have the um the PowerPoint. Uh it's
[2:44:14] already in the packet for you all to
[2:44:16] look at. Um so this is the ILA that we
[2:44:19] had from district court back in 2021.
[2:44:22] Um to summarize what you see on the
[2:44:24] screen, dis King County District Court
[2:44:27] charged us in 2021 $91,000
[2:44:30] for court services. The way their model
[2:44:33] works is then you discount the revenue
[2:44:36] that you bring in from tickets and and
[2:44:40] other revenue generating um citations
[2:44:43] and then the outcome is what you pay the
[2:44:46] district court. So in 2021
[2:44:50] uh 91,000 minus what we brought in in
[2:44:53] revenue, we ended up with a bill for
[2:44:56] about $43,000.
[2:44:58] Uh next slide.
[2:45:01] Um, so these are just kind of the cost
[2:45:03] components of that over the next two
[2:45:04] slides. Next slide
[2:45:07] and then slide just so you all have the
[2:45:09] cost components of it and we'll get to
[2:45:11] that. Uh, high level uh it would be
[2:45:13] really expensive for us to go with King
[2:45:15] County. And I suspect that's probably
[2:45:17] why we uh went with
[2:45:21] um the 2021 numbers um were high then
[2:45:26] adjust for inflation in 2027.
[2:45:29] um they're going to be much higher than
[2:45:31] $91,000.
[2:45:33] Um and the way their model works is
[2:45:37] um you take this discount of the re
[2:45:40] revenue that you generate from
[2:45:43] uh tickets to kind of bite down your
[2:45:46] rate. The challenge is DV, DUI, some of
[2:45:50] the things that we're seeing more and
[2:45:51] more in our community are not revenue
[2:45:53] generating. um even if a fee or a fine
[2:45:57] is imposed, it's not often that we
[2:45:59] collect. And so the district court
[2:46:02] person was great. She was really candid
[2:46:04] and transparent. She like, "Unless you
[2:46:06] write a ton of speeding tickets and
[2:46:10] parking enforcement cases, you will not
[2:46:11] be able to buy down that rate to the
[2:46:13] point of it being affordable to do
[2:46:15] golf." And so that's kind of the the
[2:46:18] high high level um view. She's willing
[2:46:21] to give us a quote, but I think um at
[2:46:24] this point um since we had a good
[2:46:26] meeting with the fall, we'll just
[2:46:27] continue to pursue getting uh the ILA
[2:46:30] with ISPA in a good form because
[2:46:32] ultimately I think it'll be more cost
[2:46:34] effective for the city to stick with
[2:46:36] that agreement.
[2:46:38] And that's it. Happy to answer any
[2:46:40] questions. Sorry, that was really any
[2:46:42] questions or comments council member. Yeah, I'm I'm happy to
[2:46:47] see his claw bent a little bit and
[2:46:50] >> yeah and now in their negotiations I'm happy with that. Seem to work out
[2:46:55] pretty well.
[2:46:57] >> Council member Wiggins.
[2:46:59] >> Uh yes. I just want to say thank you
[2:47:00] administrator for reaching out to Both
[2:47:02] of King County. I think that's great to
[2:47:03] have that in our in our arsenal to be
[2:47:06] able to put in front of Mr. Qua
[2:47:08] discussion. So thank you
[2:47:11] >> council member Hernandez. I just want to to say like council member supple the
[2:47:17] information that we got from Isiqua last
[2:47:19] time was take it or leave it and I'm
[2:47:21] glad that they're just like okay well
[2:47:23] maybe we'll work out.
[2:47:25] >> Yeah.
[2:47:26] >> So I'm very happy to see that.
[2:47:28] >> Yeah. I think it was a little different.
[2:47:29] So we started asking them for
[2:47:31] [clears throat] data um that we don't
[2:47:33] normally ask for. So I suspect they
[2:47:36] understood that maybe we were going to
[2:47:38] shove a little bit. Anyone else? All
[2:47:43] right. Well, thank you very much. Uh,
[2:47:44] and next up we have our second
[2:47:46] presentation, Oldfound Zoning District
[2:47:48] Considerations with Director Batty.
[2:47:51] >> Uh, good evening, Mayor Council and
[2:47:52] members of the public.
[2:47:54] Um, believe this is what you've all been
[2:47:57] waiting for. Um, we have a
[2:48:02] PowerPoint presentation. So, this is um
[2:48:05] under the umbrella of the title 14
[2:48:08] zoning code amendment um to to meet our settlement agreement with um King
[2:48:17] County and the state. Um this specific
[2:48:21] discussion tonight, it will talk about
[2:48:24] considerations for the Oldtown Zoning
[2:48:26] District. So, if you go to the next
[2:48:28] slide, please.
[2:48:31] Um so just to just to
[2:48:36] remind everybody part of the
[2:48:38] calculations for capacity
[2:48:41] um involved a lot of math hence having
[2:48:45] the city engineer with us this evening.
[2:48:48] Um when we talk about capacity
[2:48:51] I I found the best way to think about it
[2:48:54] is each property is like a passenger
[2:48:58] van. You're limited by whatever the
[2:49:02] setbacks are and the heights are.
[2:49:04] There's physical constraints to the size
[2:49:06] of a building on a property. And so when
[2:49:10] we talk about capacity for residential
[2:49:13] density, it's how many seats can you fit
[2:49:16] within that passenger van. And so our
[2:49:19] calculations um had to have a number in
[2:49:24] order to do math. Um, but that's not the number that has to be zoned in just
[2:49:32] to show that there is space in that van.
[2:49:35] So,
[2:49:37] um, you can have a passenger van where
[2:49:40] you might be able to squeeze in like 20
[2:49:42] airplane style like
[2:49:46] sardine seats or you could have four
[2:49:49] super cush squishy captain chairs. It's
[2:49:54] the same passenger van. So, as long as
[2:49:57] the capacity shows that someone can
[2:49:59] squeeze in those 20 airplane seats
[2:50:02] versus the big captain cares, that's the math that we have to show um as part
[2:50:09] of uh of the appeal. So when we when we
[2:50:15] went back to you know make sure that we
[2:50:18] were reflecting within the zoning
[2:50:20] regulations
[2:50:22] the math that
[2:50:25] making sure the zoning regulations
[2:50:27] weren't preventing that capacity without
[2:50:30] having to necessarily require that
[2:50:32] capacity. So the capacity can be there.
[2:50:35] You can have bookends on it with a
[2:50:37] density minimum and a density maximum.
[2:50:40] if you don't have those bookends, that
[2:50:42] doesn't change the capacity that that
[2:50:45] passenger van is what it is. Um, so
[2:50:49] that's how we uh went back to to look at
[2:50:52] Oldtown. We know there's um concerns
[2:50:55] about impacts to the the heart of Duval.
[2:50:58] Um
[2:51:00] we we we appreciate uh the desire to to
[2:51:04] preserve it, to protect it. It is it's the heart it's the heart of the
[2:51:08] city and staff also loves it. We don't
[2:51:11] want to see it ruined. Um next slide
[2:51:14] please.
[2:51:15] So with that in mind, um this is um this
[2:51:21] table kind of shows what has been
[2:51:23] drafted based on
[2:51:27] works uh that the consultants had done
[2:51:30] and presented to staff and that we had
[2:51:31] looked at um but we didn't quite
[2:51:34] understand
[2:51:35] the density number. So everyone can see
[2:51:39] this. I tried to color code it so it' be
[2:51:40] easier to digest. So, under minimum
[2:51:43] densities, the current draft that's been
[2:51:46] um attached to council agendas have uh
[2:51:50] minimum densities and for Oldtown has a
[2:51:53] 17 dwelling unit per acre minimum
[2:51:55] density. We don't need that to meet our
[2:52:00] capacity requirements. We don't need
[2:52:01] that book end. So, the yellow um sorry
[2:52:06] for the color confusion. So, under where
[2:52:08] it says none, we don't we can propose
[2:52:11] none if the council so chooses to
[2:52:13] provide that direction. Um, and we
[2:52:16] wouldn't be out of compliance. The the
[2:52:19] map still math. We're not changing the
[2:52:22] size of that that passenger van. Um,
[2:52:25] additionally, so what what can change
[2:52:27] the size of the of the passenger van are
[2:52:29] height limits. Um, but we don't Oldtown
[2:52:33] is such a small geographic region of the
[2:52:36] city that we don't need to increase
[2:52:39] height in order to to meet the capacity
[2:52:41] requirements. So the height right now is
[2:52:43] 35 ft and so staff is is presenting that
[2:52:49] perhaps we just keep it at 35 ft and
[2:52:51] we'll still be in compliance.
[2:52:54] um staff would like city council to
[2:52:56] consider slightly higher for Midtown and
[2:52:59] Uptown and the commercial zoning
[2:53:01] districts. Um these help support because
[2:53:04] these zoning districts are required to
[2:53:06] have commercial space on the ground
[2:53:08] floor and when you have mixeduse
[2:53:10] developments.
[2:53:13] The challenge with mixeduse development
[2:53:14] is a lot of times it's a residential
[2:53:16] developer who's proposing the project
[2:53:18] and they're used to building just
[2:53:20] residential buildings and so they don't
[2:53:23] really give much consideration to the
[2:53:24] commercial component. Not all, but
[2:53:28] often. Which is why there are um if
[2:53:32] you've seen older mixeduse developments
[2:53:34] in other cities, a lot of times that
[2:53:36] ground floor space stays vacant for a
[2:53:38] really long time. And that's generally
[2:53:41] because the height uh the ceiling height
[2:53:44] of that tenant space of those central
[2:53:46] and commercial tenant spaces are too low
[2:53:48] and businesses can't fit in what they
[2:53:51] need. like if you want to have a coffee
[2:53:52] shop or a restaurant, you have to put in
[2:53:54] like plumbing and and um mechanical
[2:53:56] equipment and you physically don't have
[2:53:58] the space. So, um so newer developments,
[2:54:03] cities have learned you need to require
[2:54:05] a greater height for that ground floor
[2:54:08] and this allows those commercial tenant
[2:54:10] spaces to be less vacant because they
[2:54:13] allow more commercial uses in them. Um,
[2:54:17] so that's why we are proposing uh like a
[2:54:21] slight uptick just to help make those
[2:54:23] spaces be viable. Um, because we in
[2:54:28] speaking with businesses like there's
[2:54:29] demand uh to to grow. There are places
[2:54:32] that want to incubate. So we're we don't
[2:54:35] want to to stifle those and we want to
[2:54:36] help local businesses expand into new
[2:54:39] spaces where um they continue being an
[2:54:43] asset to the community. So,
[2:54:46] um,
[2:54:48] if council has any initial thoughts
[2:54:52] on Oldtown,
[2:54:55] um,
[2:54:57] if you want to just noodles for the
[2:54:59] moment, I can go to the next slide. So,
[2:55:01] the next slide
[2:55:05] » and and I don't want to throw off your
[2:55:06] rhythm,
[2:55:07] >> but while you're on the slide, just sort
[2:55:09] of two two questions for you. Um, one
[2:55:12] is,
[2:55:14] you know, setting aside Oldtown, you've
[2:55:16] got sort of the three others. Um, there
[2:55:19] was some concern raised beyond Oldtown,
[2:55:20] which is really just along the 203
[2:55:22] corridor behind 203
[2:55:25] >> that there was also impacting sight
[2:55:27] lines. So, there's a sort of a question
[2:55:29] of like how much could you apply the the
[2:55:31] no change to before we out of
[2:55:33] compliance. So, that was sort of
[2:55:34] question number one is like how much
[2:55:36] play is there in here? Uh the other one
[2:55:39] was really more around how we within our
[2:55:43] code
[2:55:44] uh if we did increase the height can we
[2:55:47] allocate that specifically to commercial
[2:55:49] versus residential. So that wasn't
[2:55:52] broken out here in the slide and I
[2:55:53] wanted to clarify that for the room if
[2:55:55] there's a way that we could increase
[2:55:56] that height but but it could only be
[2:55:58] applied to the commercial space not the
[2:56:00] overall if we were going to increase
[2:56:01] building space because you know as as is
[2:56:03] often raised builders will find a way to
[2:56:05] maximize the the most profitable section
[2:56:08] of the building and and so we want to to
[2:56:10] shortcut that. So did those two
[2:56:12] questions make sense?
[2:56:13] >> Yes.
[2:56:17] Can I tag in? Do you do I'm I'm seeing
[2:56:20] if I can tag in a city engineer who
[2:56:22] knows numbers better than I do.
[2:56:25] >> Yes. So the one thing the Banglers run
[2:56:28] out of public works um the one thing I
[2:56:30] can mention is that our capacity
[2:56:32] analysis does not look at building
[2:56:34] height in order to factor capacity. It's
[2:56:38] a straight plan view. This is a this is
[2:56:41] a net developable area and this is a
[2:56:45] associated dwelling unit per acre that
[2:56:48] we used and our current code for u
[2:56:52] Midtown, Oldtown, Uptown and commercial
[2:56:55] do not have minimum or maximum
[2:56:59] residential
[2:57:00] um densities and that's because there's
[2:57:03] no residential requirement in those
[2:57:06] mixed use spaces. But in order to find
[2:57:10] capacity and calculate those um
[2:57:13] developable either vacant or
[2:57:14] redevelopable lots, you need to look at
[2:57:17] historical projects that have come in.
[2:57:20] Um you need to look at uh current uses
[2:57:22] um and other uh jurisdictions and um
[2:57:26] kind of best practices for those zoning
[2:57:28] type designations in order to assign a
[2:57:31] dwelling unit unit per acre to map the
[2:57:34] map. So, we're proposing that there are
[2:57:39] no changes to minimum or maximum
[2:57:41] densities as they currently exist today
[2:57:44] in code. And um as uh director Batty had
[2:57:49] mentioned, looking at some of the other
[2:57:51] mixeduse zoning designations, um having
[2:57:54] height, you can tell what just about by
[2:57:56] the way,
[2:57:56] >> okay?
[2:57:57] >> But adding height, um respecting um the
[2:58:00] input that we have heard from the
[2:58:01] community as far as the Oldtown core and
[2:58:04] the the corridor along Main Street. um
[2:58:07] not changing the height limit in
[2:58:10] Oldtown, keeping it at what it exists
[2:58:12] today as 35 and not making that change,
[2:58:15] but also respecting that um some of the
[2:58:19] mixed use development potential um in
[2:58:23] other zones is uh more easily
[2:58:26] accommodated with viable commercial
[2:58:28] tenant space. And so those increases are
[2:58:31] reflected in what we talked about pre
[2:58:34] earlier tonight with um the design
[2:58:36] standards that are changing from
[2:58:38] standard or from guidelines to
[2:58:40] standards. And one of the things that
[2:58:42] we're updating in that is the required
[2:58:45] height for commercial space. So that's
[2:58:47] where you would have that nexus in a
[2:58:50] development in a in a design standard.
[2:58:53] zoning code only has development
[2:58:56] standards and those are setbacks,
[2:58:58] building heights, um densities, um and
[2:59:00] those types of things. So, it's it's
[2:59:02] just a different um chapter from code.
[2:59:06] >> Thank you.
[2:59:07] >> Great.
[2:59:08] >> Um [clears throat] so, next slide. So,
[2:59:10] we we pulled out um so this is for old
[2:59:14] town zoning districts specifically.
[2:59:17] What are all the existing development
[2:59:19] standards? um and these control the
[2:59:22] buildable envelope the size of that
[2:59:25] passenger van um versus what's currently
[2:59:28] proposed. So if um in changing
[2:59:34] the draft, sorry, we're talking about
[2:59:36] versioning. So with the draft, if we go back to having just a 35 foot height
[2:59:41] limit, not having a density maximum or
[2:59:43] minimum, the only thing we'd be looking
[2:59:44] to change is minimum lot size. Um,
[2:59:49] we feel that in order to have
[2:59:51] flexibility,
[2:59:53] um, which can help with the preservation
[2:59:55] of the building, if someone needs to do
[2:59:56] financing of some sort,
[3:00:00] we don't need that. Um, so just giving a
[3:00:03] little bit more flexibility to these
[3:00:05] standards to to help preserve the the
[3:00:07] buildings that we
[3:00:10] >> uh, council member supple. So, I'm a
[3:00:12] little confused on the minimum lot size
[3:00:14] of zero square ft.
[3:00:17] >> It would it would be not applicable.
[3:00:28] » Uh, Council Member Wiggins.
[3:00:31] >> Uh, yes, Director Batty. I had the same
[3:00:33] question. So, I'm a developer. I'm
[3:00:35] heading into Oldtown and I see a minimum
[3:00:37] lot size of zero. Tell me what that
[3:00:41] means to me as a developer and what I
[3:00:42] can and possibly can't do, please.
[3:00:46] >> So, this would be if someone wanted to
[3:00:48] subdivide um a property, there wouldn't
[3:00:52] be any minimum um to the two lots that
[3:00:55] you would be creating. And so sometimes
[3:00:58] people are looking to um if if these
[3:01:02] lots are very small in Oldtown. a lot of
[3:01:04] them um or some of them are only 25 ft
[3:01:07] wide. It was from the original lot
[3:01:09] pattern of Duval. Um so if you have a
[3:01:13] building that's built out most of the
[3:01:14] front and it's only 25 ft wide and
[3:01:17] you're like you know I have someone who
[3:01:18] wants to purchase
[3:01:20] like the back half of my lot. I don't
[3:01:23] need it. I don't want it. Um I've got my
[3:01:25] building but I need some revenue or you
[3:01:28] know in order to to maintain my building
[3:01:30] being able to sell off part of it. So
[3:01:33] there could be a number if council wants
[3:01:34] a number. There could be a number there.
[3:01:36] Um but that would just you know allow
[3:01:39] someone to to um have one less restraint
[3:01:43] with their property.
[3:01:44] >> Yeah. More so more flexibility to
[3:01:46] businesses along Main Street to to do
[3:01:49] more with their property line.
[3:01:51] >> Yeah.
[3:01:52] >> And generate generate income possibly
[3:01:54] for themselves and for a new business
[3:01:56] coming in. Is that right? Thank you.
[3:02:04] Uh, next slide please.
[3:02:09] So there was also so when we dove into
[3:02:12] this analysis, we then looked at the
[3:02:14] residential zoning districts as well.
[3:02:16] Um, there were numbers that were done
[3:02:20] for the density calculations because you
[3:02:22] need a number um, as explained by the
[3:02:24] city engineer. And so when these numbers
[3:02:28] were first when this these standards
[3:02:30] were first drafted up, um
[3:02:35] we're human. We did not notice the some
[3:02:38] of these discrepancies. Um we had a lot
[3:02:41] on our plate, but we still want to make
[3:02:42] it right. So, so going back and looking
[3:02:45] at this, these numbers are different
[3:02:49] from what has been in circulation as the
[3:02:53] draft. Having colored for all the
[3:02:56] different things just made it messy. I
[3:02:57] didn't want to inflict that brain damage
[3:02:59] on everybody. Um, so these numbers,
[3:03:03] because this whole chapter is proposed
[3:03:05] anyways, reflect the zoning districts.
[3:03:08] they reflect the minimums and maximums
[3:03:11] um as intended by those districts. We
[3:03:14] double triple checked with the Burke
[3:03:16] memo that's been referenced from the
[3:03:18] laying capacity analysis. So if council
[3:03:22] um feels so inclined, we can move
[3:03:25] forward with these numbers within the
[3:03:28] draft and we have verified that our cap
[3:03:32] we are still within compliance with the capacity calculation. Any
[3:03:40] questions about these?
[3:03:43] >> Okay,
[3:03:45] this concludes my presentation.
[3:03:47] >> All right. Any Oh, go ahead, city
[3:03:49] administrator McDow.
[3:03:50] >> And I would say um you don't have to
[3:03:53] decide right now,
[3:03:54] >> right?
[3:03:55] >> Um we just wanted to give council the
[3:03:57] information. Um this will come back uh
[3:04:02] again in September for both of September
[3:04:04] 1st, September 15th. So, you know, if
[3:04:06] you need a little time to give uh
[3:04:08] director Batty direction, um you know,
[3:04:10] take the time. We don't have to decide
[3:04:12] this minute. Um but the sooner you all
[3:04:15] can provide direction by emailing
[3:04:17] Director Batty and I, the faster we can
[3:04:20] draft a new edited version uh for your
[3:04:23] consideration on the 1st through the
[3:04:25] 15th.
[3:04:26] >> Council member Olen,
[3:04:29] >> thank you. First, I I just I want to
[3:04:31] take a moment to thank the community for
[3:04:35] speaking up and speaking up in a way
[3:04:38] that was was
[3:04:40] polite, you know, and and positive and
[3:04:42] respectful. Um, I think it's really
[3:04:44] important to come together that way and speak your mind. And I also want to
[3:04:47] take a moment to thank staff for
[3:04:50] listening and finding ways to try to
[3:04:52] incorporate that feedback. I know this
[3:04:54] is a work in progress. It's a living
[3:04:56] document and maybe this is or is not
[3:04:57] perfect so far. Um, but it seems like so
[3:05:01] far, you know, uh, there have been a lot
[3:05:03] of requests to do what we can to
[3:05:06] maintain Oldtown. And it seems like this
[3:05:08] document suggests that we're going to
[3:05:11] maintain Oldtown as as it was. Um, and I think that that's great evidence
[3:05:17] of of how dialogue can work. And so I
[3:05:20] just want to thank everybody for their
[3:05:21] participation in that process. Um, I'm
[3:05:24] excited to see that, too.
[3:05:27] One one question I have I the two
[3:05:30] concerns I had coming into this were and
[3:05:33] the first seems smooth, but I just I I
[3:05:35] want to make sure that that's true. Um I
[3:05:37] was concerned that if we did reduce
[3:05:41] height in from the from the zoning
[3:05:44] drawings for uh for Oldtown that we
[3:05:46] would have to increase height elsewhere
[3:05:48] to expand that capacity. It sounds like
[3:05:51] with these these current this current
[3:05:53] draft of plans that's not necessarily
[3:05:56] the case that it's it's properly
[3:05:57] accommodated as such. Is that accurate?
[3:06:01] >> Okay, cool. Good. I'm glad to hear that.
[3:06:03] And then my my second question was
[3:06:05] actually should I pause and go around
[3:06:06] the room? Are there other questions
[3:06:08] first?
[3:06:09] >> I mean I think you're Oh, did you want
[3:06:11] to go ahead?
[3:06:11] >> I I just sort of had one question. Um, I
[3:06:14] don't know who this is oriented toward,
[3:06:16] but I know one of the things we were a
[3:06:18] little forward thinking in terms of
[3:06:20] around some creating space for middle
[3:06:22] housing specifically because we we
[3:06:25] didn't have some requirements, but we
[3:06:26] were also trying to accommodate the lack
[3:06:28] of diversity of housing and specifically
[3:06:31] around, you know, whether you're a
[3:06:33] senior or you're a new, you know, it was
[3:06:35] a a space that more appropriately
[3:06:37] accommodated some of the 80% AMI and
[3:06:40] other things we're looking for. Do any
[3:06:42] of these changes impact the middle
[3:06:44] housing piece? That was my only Okay,
[3:06:46] thank you. That's all I need.
[3:06:49] >> Other questions or comments? Council
[3:06:50] member Hernandez.
[3:06:52] >> I just want to say that I'm really happy
[3:06:53] with what I'm seeing here. uh as we have
[3:06:57] all as as city administrator McNab and
[3:06:59] director B know I've been talking back
[3:07:01] and forth about uh historical
[3:07:03] preservation and ideas including
[3:07:05] historic overlays mandatory historical
[3:07:08] reviews and I'm just really kind of
[3:07:10] liking that our solution is well we can
[3:07:12] take the square the square footage down
[3:07:14] to zero to say so I'm very happy with
[3:07:16] this uh I think that we could still talk
[3:07:18] about the overlay eventually but it's no
[3:07:21] longer nearly as urgent as I as as I was
[3:07:23] thinking it would
[3:07:25] All right, back to Council Member Olen.
[3:07:28] >> Thank you. So, the the one other concern
[3:07:30] I have and and this is this is
[3:07:35] >> well, I guess I just want to give a
[3:07:36] voice and and I really hope this isn't
[3:07:38] received is is contrary to the progress
[3:07:40] that that we just made with this
[3:07:42] document because I do want to preserve
[3:07:43] Oldtown as best we can. Um, and and
[3:07:46] maybe maybe it's best for an economist
[3:07:47] to answer this question and and and none
[3:07:49] of us are qualified to do that. But so the concern I want to get the concern
[3:07:54] that I want to give voice to that I
[3:07:56] don't know the answer to is is that if
[3:07:59] we if we expand residential density on
[3:08:04] the south side of town
[3:08:06] and especially if that's mixeduse
[3:08:08] development, right? So we have increased
[3:08:10] residential density and we have
[3:08:12] businesses going in on the south side of
[3:08:14] town. The concern is that that stifles
[3:08:20] potentially business around Oldtown,
[3:08:23] right? More and more businesses get
[3:08:24] built and more and more residences get
[3:08:26] built on the south side of town and
[3:08:30] a lot of the rest a lot of the
[3:08:32] businesses from what I understand are
[3:08:33] somewhat already struggling around
[3:08:35] Oldtown. And and that's my concern. I
[3:08:38] don't I don't want to change the face of
[3:08:39] Oldtown. Don't. But I do worry about if
[3:08:42] we do move all this down south,
[3:08:45] what happens to Oldtown? Do we do does
[3:08:47] it turn it into a ghost town? How much
[3:08:49] has to get built south before it
[3:08:52] actually does hurt Oldtown as it is
[3:08:54] today? Does anybody in the room know
[3:08:56] that? Is that something we should be
[3:08:58] thinking about? Um, or is it really a
[3:09:00] non-issue as far as we can tell?
[3:09:03] >> How about city administrator McDow?
[3:09:06] >> I am not an economist. I um went to law
[3:09:10] school to avoid math. Um, but I will say
[3:09:13] one of the things that we want to look
[3:09:16] at and figure out a way to invest in,
[3:09:20] and this is a future project because
[3:09:22] it's pretty expensive, but we really
[3:09:24] should be looking at the thought
[3:09:25] improvements and figuring out a way to
[3:09:29] improve the look and structure of our
[3:09:32] old town. So it remains invoking. It
[3:09:36] looks like a tourism economy without,
[3:09:38] you know, blowing it up north. Um, but
[3:09:42] really investing in Oldtown
[3:09:44] simultaneously while allowing growth in
[3:09:47] our south end because I think they're
[3:09:49] probably two different districts, but
[3:09:50] they can both function compatibly if we
[3:09:53] invest in some of the upgrades that our
[3:09:56] older um buildings here in Old.
[3:09:59] >> Yeah.
[3:10:01] Mayor Pummer,
[3:10:01] >> I sort of add just one sort of pile on
[3:10:05] to to council member Olen's comment as
[3:10:07] well as the city administrators. You
[3:10:09] know, I think I I also want to
[3:10:10] acknowledge I mean I want to thank staff
[3:10:11] at work. I know this is sort of a long
[3:10:13] project. The other part, you know, is
[3:10:15] just to to acknowledge from a council
[3:10:17] perspective, we would much rather be
[3:10:19] working on other things other than plan.
[3:10:22] And so I mean to highlight that and and
[3:10:24] so one of the things you talked about in
[3:10:25] terms of the economic development, the
[3:10:28] facade improvement, you know, how we
[3:10:29] work with the chamber in terms of
[3:10:31] potential grant opportunities, other
[3:10:32] things to build a district to build a uh
[3:10:36] you know, something that will be a draw
[3:10:37] for the valley. You know, we've talked
[3:10:39] about this for years. Um and and this is
[3:10:42] actually occupying a lot of that time.
[3:10:43] So, I'm not saying we want to fast track
[3:10:45] or anything to get through this, but but
[3:10:47] the hope is that end of the year when we
[3:10:49] can get through the appeals process and finalize that, we can actually focus
[3:10:53] on those other other things. And and
[3:10:55] director Vy, uh, in terms of since you
[3:10:57] wear two hats, you know, you can focus a
[3:10:59] little more on the economic development
[3:11:01] as well as versus sort of the plan
[3:11:03] piece. That looks
[3:11:05] >> Mayor Pam that reminded me of something
[3:11:06] in our governor's government relations
[3:11:10] meeting is I might have let them know
[3:11:12] that there are things that don't
[3:11:13] originate in Olympia that we would like
[3:11:15] to do here. So, we would like to move on
[3:11:17] to some other things. Um, and just any
[3:11:20] other council member comments,
[3:11:22] questions?
[3:11:23] Um, I just want to, you know, I want to
[3:11:25] thank everyone who showed up tonight.
[3:11:26] I'll hold you to this. I'd like to see
[3:11:28] more faces more often. Please come more
[3:11:30] frequently. Um, but also to our staff,
[3:11:33] especially Director Batty, uh, your name
[3:11:35] shows up on this agenda a lot. I know
[3:11:37] it's a huge workload right now, and I
[3:11:38] want to acknowledge that. Um, and, uh,
[3:11:41] deputy or city engineer Grandell for all
[3:11:43] of your, I never know what title D is,
[3:11:45] but like for all your work and of course
[3:11:47] our city administrator. This has not
[3:11:49] been an easy road at all. It's a lot of
[3:11:51] work. We're not done yet. Um, but we're
[3:11:53] getting there and we have a lot of other
[3:11:55] simultaneous things we're working on.
[3:11:57] So, I just really appreciate all of your
[3:11:58] efforts. Oh, Council Member Wiggins, go
[3:12:01] ahead.
[3:12:02] >> Yes. Um, thank you. I also want to just
[3:12:05] uh extend my thanks to I see a lot of
[3:12:07] people in the background. I apologize I
[3:12:08] can't be there. I'm down in California,
[3:12:09] but I just want to extend my thanks to
[3:12:11] all the residents of Duval who took the
[3:12:12] time to come down and attend tonight's
[3:12:14] meeting and and speak before council and
[3:12:17] the mayor and the city staff. Uh, public
[3:12:19] speaking can be daunting and and I
[3:12:21] commend everyone who stepped forward to
[3:12:23] share their perspective tonight. And I
[3:12:25] also want to acknowledge that u there's
[3:12:27] quite a few written comments that came
[3:12:28] into the city clerk's office. Um I know
[3:12:32] that I've received those as rest of the
[3:12:33] other council members and I've read each
[3:12:34] of your emails carefully. Um your
[3:12:36] passion for preserving Deval's small
[3:12:38] town charm, rustic character, the
[3:12:41] historic downtown. It's unmistakable
[3:12:44] and safeguarding the historic look and
[3:12:45] feel of our city is why I ran for city
[3:12:47] council. And I appreciate the
[3:12:49] community's strong engagement on this
[3:12:50] issue. So thank you. appreciate and the
[3:12:52] staff's time of course pulling uh this
[3:12:54] information together for tonight's uh
[3:12:56] discussion. So, thank you.
[3:12:59] >> All right. So, that I think it's safe to
[3:13:02] move on to our public hearing we have
[3:13:04] scheduled for tonight.
[3:13:06] Um clerk, could you remind me do I open
[3:13:08] it before I read all of the
[3:13:10] >> I uh read the instructions first and
[3:13:13] then
[3:13:13] >> and then open it. Okay. Thank you so
[3:13:14] much. So, our one public hearing on the
[3:13:16] agenda tonight is proposed amendments to
[3:13:18] DMC 14.50 50 on sign. Um, and this will
[3:13:23] be with Director Batty. Um, and I'll go
[3:13:26] ahead and read
[3:13:28] a little blurb here before I open it.
[3:13:31] So, in adherence to the regulations
[3:13:33] outlined for public hearings before the
[3:13:34] Duval City Council, chapter 10 of the
[3:13:36] City Council procedures, any individual
[3:13:39] seeking to address the council during
[3:13:40] the designated public comment segment
[3:13:42] must comply with the following
[3:13:43] procedures. First, sign in on the
[3:13:45] prioritated form, which I have now
[3:13:47] specific to the public hearing. and
[3:13:48] second, thoroughly complete all
[3:13:50] pertinent sections of the said form.
[3:13:52] Upon the commencement of the hearing, as
[3:13:53] announced by the chair, typically the
[3:13:55] mayor, the city clerk will present the
[3:13:56] sign-in sheet to the chair.
[3:13:58] Subsequently, the chair will proceed
[3:14:00] with the agenda for the public hearing.
[3:14:01] Each speaker will be summoned to the
[3:14:03] podium in the order listed on the
[3:14:04] sign-in form and must state their name
[3:14:06] and if relevant, their address,
[3:14:07] affiliation with any group,
[3:14:09] organization, or group being
[3:14:10] represented, and their corresponding
[3:14:12] role or position within that
[3:14:14] organization. Time limits for speaking
[3:14:16] engagements are three minutes for
[3:14:17] individuals speaking on their own behalf
[3:14:19] and five minutes for those representing
[3:14:20] a group or organization unless otherwise
[3:14:23] determined by a majority vote of the
[3:14:24] council present. The city clerk will
[3:14:26] monitor and enforce these time limits,
[3:14:28] setting a timer for each speaker to
[3:14:30] ensure adherence. Comments should be
[3:14:31] pertinent to the subject matter of the
[3:14:33] public hearing and respectfully
[3:14:35] addressed to the city council. Personal
[3:14:37] remarks are deemed inappropriate.
[3:14:38] Disorderly conduct, including disruptive
[3:14:40] behaviors such as cheering, applause,
[3:14:42] booing, or harassment, will not be
[3:14:44] tolerated and may result in removal from
[3:14:46] the premises. Speakers may alternatively
[3:14:48] submit written com statements which will
[3:14:50] be added to the official record by the
[3:14:52] city clerk. Questions posed during the
[3:14:54] hearing will not be answered
[3:14:55] immediately. They may be addressed at
[3:14:56] the chair's discretion after the comment
[3:14:58] period closes. Copies of city council
[3:15:01] and public hearing procedures will be
[3:15:02] available upon request to attendees at
[3:15:04] the outset of each public hearing
[3:15:06] session conducted by the Duval city
[3:15:08] council. And with that, I will open the
[3:15:10] public hearing on proposed amendments to
[3:15:12] DMC 14.50 on signs at 8:46.
[3:15:16] >> I will turn it over to Director Batty.
[3:15:21] » Good evening.
[3:15:26] Um so the public hearing for our sign
[3:15:30] code um I'm sure you're all uh
[3:15:36] remember all the details of the things
[3:15:38] we talked about in in previous
[3:15:40] discussion of that council kind of solve
[3:15:42] time. There we go. Yay. Um so so
[3:15:45] background this is just for um temporary
[3:15:49] sign updates um as there are numerous
[3:15:52] court cases that speak to signs being
[3:15:54] content neutral. Um also our sign our
[3:15:58] temporary sign regulations were a little
[3:16:00] confusing. So we wanted to clean that up
[3:16:01] and we wanted to have standards that are
[3:16:03] consistent. Um next slide please. So
[3:16:07] these key changes, um, instead of having
[3:16:10] categories of political signs and real
[3:16:12] estate signs because that requires you
[3:16:14] knowing what sign says in order to
[3:16:16] regulate it, we got rid of those
[3:16:18] categories and now it's based on form
[3:16:21] instead of what's in it. Um,
[3:16:25] and in addition with that, we had to
[3:16:27] modify the regulations as well as the
[3:16:28] definitions that correspond with those.
[3:16:30] Um and this provided some streamlining
[3:16:34] um of these temporary sign regulations
[3:16:36] and murals got moved to their own
[3:16:38] special section. They should be they are
[3:16:40] not temporary sign. Next please.
[3:16:43] >> So what was not included were categories
[3:16:46] of permanent signs. Um so those are all
[3:16:49] saying the same for now. I'm hoping in
[3:16:51] future soon work plan that council would
[3:16:54] be willing to have staff work on those
[3:16:57] sections of code. Um so all the
[3:17:01] regulations regarding permanent signs
[3:17:02] untouched per next slide please. Um we
[3:17:07] did have a couple of sign code
[3:17:08] workshops. One focused more on the
[3:17:10] banner signs the community banner signs
[3:17:12] that are generally of interest to
[3:17:13] nonprofits and community groups. Um
[3:17:17] generally they're supportive of uh the draft changes that were being
[3:17:21] proposed. And then on July 7th, we had
[3:17:24] one that was focused more on um smaller
[3:17:28] and medium-sized um signs that get
[3:17:30] posted generally either in the public
[3:17:32] ride of way or may or may not be posted
[3:17:35] as part of um a real estate sale. So
[3:17:39] there was a discussion um at that
[3:17:41] workshop where there were um requests to
[3:17:45] increase the number of aboard signs,
[3:17:47] greater density of the state signs that
[3:17:49] are in the right of way um reducing
[3:17:51] setbacks and and having real estate
[3:17:54] signs placed in other places. There was
[3:17:56] discussion of I can't regulate a sign as
[3:17:59] a real estate sign. I can only say
[3:18:02] where something is, how big it is, um
[3:18:06] how long it could be there for. That's
[3:18:08] the only thing that the city has the
[3:18:09] right to control. Um, next slide,
[3:18:12] please. So, planning commission had
[3:18:15] their uh public hearing last week. Um,
[3:18:19] they
[3:18:21] there was um a letter submitted by the
[3:18:24] King County Realators Association.
[3:18:28] I don't correct. Okay. Thank you. Um and
[3:18:32] they had requested in a letter to um
[3:18:37] increase the number of Abor signs um and
[3:18:41] to reduce the separation between the
[3:18:44] small metal state signs. Um those are
[3:18:47] the ones that are in the park strips
[3:18:48] between sign off and the curb. Um and to
[3:18:52] modify the um generally it's those post
[3:18:56] and arm traditional real estate type
[3:18:59] sign to go from 5T from the property
[3:19:02] line to 3 ft from the property front
[3:19:04] property line. Um staff agreed that
[3:19:07] modifying the front step back to 3 ft
[3:19:09] would not have a big visual impact with
[3:19:12] uh along the rideway. However, the
[3:19:15] reduction um in the separation for those
[3:19:18] small signs would be a 67% increase. So,
[3:19:22] if you had a 100 foot rideway, the 5ft
[3:19:25] separation means you'd have 20 of those
[3:19:27] signs. If you only had three feet
[3:19:29] separation, you would end up with 67. Um
[3:19:33] and the discussion was that would result
[3:19:36] in visual blight. And so, uh planning
[3:19:38] commission did not recommend that as
[3:19:40] part of the amendments. Um there was a
[3:19:43] discussion about increasing the number
[3:19:44] of aboard signs and when the discussion
[3:19:47] then went to the specifics of where
[3:19:50] would those be placed would are you
[3:19:52] referring to changing um along the front
[3:19:56] end versus anywhere after some
[3:19:58] discussion. The motion to include that
[3:20:01] was dropped from by the planning
[3:20:03] commission. So the recommendation only
[3:20:06] then included the modification for the
[3:20:08] front setback reduction. Um so that is
[3:20:11] now uh before you this evening and
[3:20:18] that's the end of staff projation.
[3:20:21] >> Thank you. So I'm going down my list.
[3:20:24] First person I see signed up for the
[3:20:25] public hearing is Randy Banaker.
[3:20:30] Just want to approach the podium
[3:20:32] assuming you're speaking on behalf of
[3:20:33] your organization. Correct. Thank you.
[3:20:35] >> Yes. Thanks, Mayor uh Ray, and I'm here
[3:20:38] on behalf of the Seattle King County
[3:20:40] Realtors. Appreciate your time. I' I've
[3:20:42] been before you several times during the
[3:20:44] sign code update process. I appreciate
[3:20:47] uh your listening. I know you want to
[3:20:48] wrap this up. Um we are really
[3:20:51] concerned. I got to tell you, the code
[3:20:53] is drafted. It allows one openhouse sign
[3:20:57] that will make it the most restrictive
[3:20:59] openhouse code in Central Ped. Open
[3:21:03] house signs are used to establish
[3:21:06] wayfinding, a trail if you will, to
[3:21:09] point someone to the house that's open.
[3:21:12] And these open houses typically occur on
[3:21:14] a Sunday afternoon from 1 to 4:00 p.m. U
[3:21:18] those open house signs are are placed in
[3:21:19] the rightway.
[3:21:21] Our members pick them up because they
[3:21:23] cost about $100 a sign. So there's very
[3:21:26] much an incentive to take care of those
[3:21:27] signs. Uh we are we our position is we
[3:21:33] did not engage in the dispersion between
[3:21:36] the state aeros signs. That's not our
[3:21:38] position. I'm going to leave you with a
[3:21:40] letter I'd like to enter into the record
[3:21:42] that Michaela G sent to you and we also
[3:21:45] shared with the planning commission. Um
[3:21:47] but again the openhouse aboard signs are
[3:21:50] a big deal. Uh I my my interpretation of
[3:21:53] the planning commission discussion was
[3:21:56] uh confusion about where the the the the
[3:21:59] code is drafted landed and I believe the
[3:22:02] maker of the motion assumed that we were
[3:22:04] covered for those five signs.
[3:22:07] Um so I tonight respectfully request
[3:22:11] that you amend the code to enable uh
[3:22:15] those five signs and do it very
[3:22:17] surgically in your sign code table. And
[3:22:20] I'll leave you with this. I just did a
[3:22:22] little markup that currently as drafted
[3:22:26] uh you are allowed an aboard one per
[3:22:29] frontage and one offsite for properties
[3:22:33] up for sale or lease or under
[3:22:35] construction in certain zones in the
[3:22:37] MU12, the R4, the R4.5, the R six, the
[3:22:41] R8, the R12, the R20, and the RV zones.
[3:22:45] I just ask that you change that second
[3:22:47] part from one sign to four signs and
[3:22:52] allow them to be placed in the right
[3:22:54] way. Uh it's consistent with the the
[3:22:56] intent uh of the of the table as the
[3:22:59] matrix is drafted and it will resolve
[3:23:03] our problem. Um, I think as drafted, we
[3:23:06] will be coming back to you uh because
[3:23:08] it's it's just not super functional. And
[3:23:11] I I I'm telling you, our members really
[3:23:13] want to comply with the law. And I think
[3:23:16] it's going to be challenging for folks
[3:23:17] who aren't aware of the code and just
[3:23:19] assume like almost every other
[3:23:22] jurisdiction, King County, Snowish, and
[3:23:24] Pierce County that they'll be able to uh post more than one open house site if
[3:23:29] they're taking on open. I know you want
[3:23:32] to get this off your plates, but I just
[3:23:34] ask you to do the do the right sizing
[3:23:36] now. And and again, I appreciate your
[3:23:39] willingness to let us be part of the
[3:23:41] process. I'm going to uh leave the clerk
[3:23:44] with our letter, ask that we add to the
[3:23:46] record, and then I've got uh handouts on
[3:23:49] just this this simple markup on your u code matrix and the and the code
[3:23:55] is drafted. Thank you.
[3:23:57] >> Great. Thank you. Next, let's see.
[3:24:01] Mike Beard, you wrote not yet? I'm just
[3:24:03] checking in. Did you want to talk about
[3:24:06] >> Sorry. And then is Kate still here?
[3:24:09] >> I think I saw
[3:24:12] >> Kate. No.
[3:24:14] >> Um Lauren, I think did you want to speak
[3:24:16] on that? Okay. Yeah. Yep. I got it. I
[3:24:19] figured there might be a couple. Would
[3:24:21] you like to speak about No. Okay. Um
[3:24:25] Trish is a maybe Trish Watson. No. Okay.
[3:24:29] >> No. No.
[3:24:33] And Carrie Vanville, did you want to
[3:24:35] speak? Is she still here?
[3:24:38] I don't see her. Okay. Um,
[3:24:42] Pam Wilmont
[3:24:44] didn't fill out the Just want to double
[3:24:46] check. Okay. Uh, Michaela G.
[3:24:50] [laughter]
[3:24:53] » And are you speaking on behalf of
[3:24:55] yourself or on an organization? Uh, this
[3:24:57] is a King County Realtor. Okay. Is that
[3:25:00] Yeah, I think that's u. So, good
[3:25:02] evening. I'm Michaela. I spoke in front
[3:25:04] of you guys a couple of times now. Um
[3:25:06] I'm a local real estate broker, business
[3:25:08] owner on Main Street, and um I belong to
[3:25:10] our Government Repairs Committee for
[3:25:12] Sydney County Association of Realtors.
[3:25:14] I'm here tonight to ask the council to
[3:25:16] make a motion to amend the proposed sign
[3:25:18] code. Your table 14503,
[3:25:22] specifically the Aboard signs relating
[3:25:24] to residential properties for sale.
[3:25:26] We're just hoping for four offsite of
[3:25:28] the residential properties that are
[3:25:30] allowed in the rideway. Open house signs
[3:25:32] are really important. Just last weekend,
[3:25:34] met a couple from Sacramento that was
[3:25:36] driving around town and stopped into a
[3:25:39] home. They're looking in the area. Um,
[3:25:41] and without those open house signs, they
[3:25:43] wouldn't have stopped. They wouldn't
[3:25:44] have gotten to know Duvall. We had a
[3:25:46] wonderful welcome guide from the Chamber
[3:25:48] of Commerce that was made. And just
[3:25:50] having that relationship purely because
[3:25:52] of openhouse aboard is really important.
[3:25:54] It allows economic viability for
[3:25:57] homeowners, home sellers, home buyers.
[3:25:59] So really important to continue to have
[3:26:01] those open house eboard signs. I think
[3:26:04] especially in a community like Duvall
[3:26:07] where we have many neighborhoods, many
[3:26:09] down street, several turnoffs off the
[3:26:10] corridor. We need more than one sign. So
[3:26:14] they're temporary. I actually just
[3:26:15] placed an order for more signs. Even
[3:26:17] broker joined us across the street. It
[3:26:20] was just shy of $800 for five signs. Uh
[3:26:24] they're very expensive. They are an
[3:26:25] investment into the business. We don't
[3:26:28] want to leave them out. They get stolen
[3:26:30] every once in a while. Um it's critical
[3:26:33] to our business to have those and a very
[3:26:36] expensive mistake if we were to leave
[3:26:37] them out and they get swiped by by
[3:26:39] someone else or getting damaged. Um so I
[3:26:43] ask that the council make a motion to
[3:26:44] amend this table this evening. And I
[3:26:47] thank you for so much for all of the
[3:26:49] work on the code, the workshops. I know
[3:26:51] it takes a lot of time from city staff.
[3:26:54] I know this has been a process through
[3:26:55] multiple staff members. Um so thank you.
[3:26:58] again.
[3:27:00] >> Thank you. Uh Meg Town, are you still
[3:27:03] here? And did you want to speak? Uh Mike
[3:27:07] Town, I'm guessing. Oh
[3:27:10] no. Okay, I'll move on here. Nina
[3:27:14] Oshovski, did you want to speak on this
[3:27:16] public hearing?
[3:27:20] Okay. Um, Elizabeth's Hill still here.
[3:27:23] >> Yeah, but
[3:27:25] >> you put Yes. But I think I think many
[3:27:27] people might have thought it was about
[3:27:29] um something else. So, I'm gonna have to
[3:27:31] just go through. So, you're No, I'm
[3:27:33] speaking on the public hearing.
[3:27:34] >> Yes.
[3:27:35] >> Okay. Celeste, is she still here?
[3:27:38] >> Okay.
[3:27:40] Monica,
[3:27:41] >> sorry, I was confused.
[3:27:42] >> Oh, that's fine. Yeah. No, I get it.
[3:27:44] It's a process. Boomer head.
[3:27:48] No. Uh Johanna Porter,
[3:27:53] did you want to speak?
[3:27:56] >> Okay. Um
[3:27:59] >> might be it. That is it on the list. So
[3:28:01] now I would just ask, is there anyone in
[3:28:03] the audience that wanted to speak at
[3:28:04] this public hearing on the proposed
[3:28:07] amendment to 1450
[3:28:09] sign?
[3:28:12] Seeing none, I will go ahead and close
[3:28:14] the hearing at 8:59.
[3:28:18] Now we're on to existing business.
[3:28:20] First, we have agenda bill 26-62,
[3:28:22] proposed amendments to DMC uh 14.66.140
[3:28:27] on unit lot subdivisions. And this is
[3:28:29] with director Batty.
[3:28:31] >> Good evening yet again.
[3:28:34] um
[3:28:36] unit lot subdivisions are um are
[3:28:40] required under yet another Senate bill
[3:28:43] that has passed um through the state. So
[3:28:46] here we are tonight um to
[3:28:50] give you a refresher before um we
[3:28:52] prepare for a public hearing in the near
[3:28:54] future. Um next slide please. So, unit
[3:28:58] lot subdivisions are um an alternative
[3:29:01] means of creating smaller properties
[3:29:03] that could potentially be sold. Um so,
[3:29:06] parent lots must conform to a um
[3:29:12] to the development standards of that
[3:29:13] zoning district, but then the smaller
[3:29:15] child slash unit lots inside um are free
[3:29:20] from those restrictions. So this allows
[3:29:23] um
[3:29:25] this supports the development of middle
[3:29:26] housing smaller units that can be sold
[3:29:28] off. So the goal is um oh next slide
[3:29:33] please. Thank you. Why allow them? The
[3:29:35] goal is uh to provide flexibility and
[3:29:38] hopefully create alternative um methods
[3:29:41] of home ownership by having a greater
[3:29:43] variety of ownership types. Um and these
[3:29:48] can be done with small cottage units.
[3:29:50] These can be um small attached units.
[3:29:52] This could even be done with an ADU. So, there's a lot of um
[3:30:00] little ways to like slice and dice uh a
[3:30:02] regular size property to to to allow a
[3:30:06] unit lot subdivision. Next slide,
[3:30:08] please. Um so, we received a letter from
[3:30:13] the Master Builders Association of King
[3:30:16] and Snowom counties. Um, one of their
[3:30:19] comments was about
[3:30:21] um, unit lot subdivisions must follow
[3:30:25] the short subdivision process of a
[3:30:28] jurisdiction. Our code currently only
[3:30:30] allows up to the subdivision into four
[3:30:34] lots with a short subdivision. As such,
[3:30:38] only four lots, child lots may be
[3:30:40] allowed under the unit lot subdivision.
[3:30:44] Should council want to increase that
[3:30:46] number, um I don't remember which RCW it
[3:30:50] is, but you can do up to nine per state
[3:30:52] legislation, but it'll have to be
[3:30:54] adopted um through a local ordinance.
[3:30:56] So, that will be I'm looking forward to
[3:30:59] presenting you a menu of different work
[3:31:02] plan items that you get to choose from
[3:31:04] for next year. So, this can be on that
[3:31:06] menu item and then you don't get to pick
[3:31:08] everything on the menu because you only
[3:31:10] have so much capacity. um but can be
[3:31:13] considered. Um one of the other comments
[3:31:16] that we received from them was regarding
[3:31:19] utility connections and in discussing
[3:31:22] with the um ever hardworking and
[3:31:26] problemsolving city engineer. Um she she
[3:31:30] uh crafted some language that would be
[3:31:32] in compliance with our code while
[3:31:35] without micromanaging that specificity
[3:31:38] within the UNIL subdvision. So then the
[3:31:40] consideration is to have utility
[3:31:42] connections for individual lot shall
[3:31:44] comply with the title 9 and public works
[3:31:46] development design standards. Planning
[3:31:48] staff has zero objections to public
[3:31:51] works the recommend recommended
[3:31:53] modification to that section of the
[3:31:55] proposed.
[3:31:58] Um
[3:31:59] uh next slide please.
[3:32:06] So, um, so we've had discussions with,
[3:32:09] uh, planning commission presenting it
[3:32:11] tonight to city council. We're hoping to
[3:32:13] get this wrapped up so that we can
[3:32:15] prepare it for a public hearing in
[3:32:18] September, in the early October, near
[3:32:20] future. Um, and get this done by the end
[3:32:24] of the year along with all of our other
[3:32:27] required work plan items.
[3:32:29] Next slide.
[3:32:32] Any questions?
[3:32:33] >> Great. and council, this is just up for
[3:32:35] discussion tonight. Um, does anyone have
[3:32:37] any comments or questions?
[3:32:41] » Uh, council member Hernandez.
[3:32:43] >> So, uh, do we have an estimate of how
[3:32:47] requiring like all the sewer, water,
[3:32:49] power service connections would affect
[3:32:51] the affordability of the the homes in
[3:32:54] the lot?
[3:32:55] >> I'm going to tag the signature here.
[3:32:57] >> That is a great question. Um, and
[3:33:00] something that will be coming forward to
[3:33:03] council in the future, we're working on
[3:33:05] our GSA
[3:33:07] uh, rate study and along with that going
[3:33:10] to come the conversation about utility
[3:33:13] ch well capital connection charges for
[3:33:16] ADUs
[3:33:17] um, and or uh, unit lot subdivision
[3:33:22] properties.
[3:33:24] um as we have our code written right now
[3:33:26] is every parcel has to have a third
[3:33:29] connection. Um and so understanding that
[3:33:32] with these unit lot subdivision types of
[3:33:35] land use and ADUs and that type of
[3:33:38] thing, it's not always the best use of
[3:33:41] service. um especially because there is
[3:33:44] existing capacity within a single family
[3:33:47] residential meter that can service that
[3:33:51] ADU that that homeowner or that property
[3:33:53] owner is building um in order to support
[3:33:57] you know aging and place parents or you
[3:33:59] know whatever that choice is to have the
[3:34:01] ADU built. Um, we have a covenant
[3:34:04] currently um that is recorded with ADUs
[3:34:07] that requires if there is an ownership
[3:34:10] change from that ADU or what could
[3:34:14] potentially be a unit built through the
[3:34:16] unit lot subdivision, if that changes
[3:34:18] ownership from the primary owner, they
[3:34:21] are required to by our utility billing
[3:34:24] code, as our finance director can
[3:34:26] attest, um, to have a uh, water service
[3:34:29] connection. And with that water service
[3:34:31] connection comes a capital charge um and
[3:34:34] then uh potentially a sewer and storm.
[3:34:38] Um there are alternatives to how we
[3:34:41] would assess those fees based on um the
[3:34:44] size of the dwelling unit and that's
[3:34:46] kind of the future work that we're going
[3:34:48] to that public works either Steve or
[3:34:50] myself will bring to council. Um we
[3:34:52] haven't quite nailed that down yet. We
[3:34:55] do impact fees at a 50% reduction. So
[3:34:57] traffic impact fee, park impact fee is
[3:34:59] reduced by 50%. Um it was kind of in the
[3:35:03] assumption that all GFC's impact fees in
[3:35:05] general would be 50%. Um that does make
[3:35:10] a unit lot subdivision type project and
[3:35:13] or an ADU um hard to be considered
[3:35:17] affordable. Uh the state and commerce
[3:35:20] guidance does not see them as
[3:35:21] affordable. they see them as fitting the
[3:35:24] middle housing bucket which is the 80 to
[3:35:26] 120 AMI. Um so what that means for us
[3:35:31] and council as the decision makers for
[3:35:33] how we implement those um capital
[3:35:36] connection charges um that is to come.
[3:35:39] >> Thank you.
[3:35:40] >> Yeah.
[3:35:41] >> Right. Council member Wiggins.
[3:35:46] » All right. Yes. Thank you. Um I'd like
[3:35:49] uh to ask Dr. debated to look at uh next
[3:35:52] time this comes back that we look at
[3:35:53] increasing the um subdivision cap of
[3:35:56] four. It just seems like there might be
[3:35:57] some residents or areas of uh Duvall
[3:36:01] that would that has acreage and maybe
[3:36:04] four really would cap them and I'd like
[3:36:06] to give them the opportunity those those
[3:36:08] areas that have got acreage to um
[3:36:10] increase uh the number of unit lots from
[3:36:13] four. I don't know if it's going to be
[3:36:14] nine, but I would like to see some uh
[3:36:16] maybe some different options for us to
[3:36:18] look at outside of just the four unit uh
[3:36:20] lots. Also, um do we know if this Senate
[3:36:24] bill that's coming across that we're
[3:36:26] dealing with here, Senate Bill 5258, do
[3:36:28] we know if that requires the lot owners
[3:36:30] to sell off these subdivided short plats
[3:36:33] or could they in essence just uh lease
[3:36:36] them all out? And if they are going to
[3:36:38] lease them all out, do we have any
[3:36:39] legislation here in town that keeps them
[3:36:41] from making them short-term rentals? So
[3:36:42] we're not dealing with a whole bunch of
[3:36:44] Airbnbs popping up across the city.
[3:36:47] >> We thought about that and you don't have
[3:36:49] to answer that. Director Batty, but you
[3:36:51] can come back with that later.
[3:36:52] >> Council member Wiggins, city
[3:36:53] administrator McNab, I think might have
[3:36:55] an answer to your question.
[3:36:56] >> So I can answer the short-term rental.
[3:36:58] So uh right now the city of Duval, our
[3:37:01] code does not permit short-term rentals.
[3:37:04] It's kind of the um uh the lack of
[3:37:08] language is the the it's a proving a
[3:37:13] negative. So, because we don't permit
[3:37:16] them, you cannot have them. And so,
[3:37:18] right now, there's nothing in our code
[3:37:20] that allows short-term rentals in the
[3:37:22] city of Duval. It's been kind of taken
[3:37:24] on and put off um by various councils
[3:37:28] onto the community development
[3:37:30] department work plan. And so it's up to
[3:37:32] council to decide moving into the 2728
[3:37:35] bianium if you want us to address
[3:37:37] short-term rentals. But right now we
[3:37:40] short-term rentals are not a permitted
[3:37:42] use uh within the city of Duvall
[3:37:47] >> explicitly.
[3:37:48] >> All right. Other comments or questions?
[3:37:52] >> Can I ask Council Member Wiggins? Did
[3:37:54] you have a followup or you can go ahead
[3:37:55] if you have a second question. I I
[3:37:57] didn't see any other Was there another
[3:37:58] hand up? I didn't see another hand.
[3:38:00] >> No, you're good. Okay. Um
[3:38:04] I I in the in the presentation and the
[3:38:06] slides, I see the mention of home
[3:38:07] ownership and home ownership, but
[3:38:08] there's nothing that says that
[3:38:10] subdividing out a plat by a parent lot,
[3:38:14] nothing says they have to sell it.
[3:38:16] Correct. This doesn't necessarily mean
[3:38:18] we're going to have more opportunities
[3:38:20] to own a home for um uh someone that
[3:38:23] that's just coming into the area, but
[3:38:25] they can possibly rent it. Maybe not
[3:38:28] shortterm is there's nothing out there,
[3:38:30] but they could possibly lease it for a
[3:38:32] year by the owner. So, I don't know if
[3:38:35] >> Okay. So, any subdivision of land
[3:38:38] doesn't require that those properties be
[3:38:41] sold off. The same person or entity can
[3:38:45] own all of those properties in
[3:38:47] perpetuity if they so choose. One
[3:38:49] example is Duval Village.
[3:38:52] [clears throat]
[3:38:53] Pubalt Village subdivided, but the
[3:38:57] developer did not sell off any of the
[3:39:00] residences. So, those are all rented and
[3:39:03] that's allowed.
[3:39:05] >> Okay.
[3:39:06] >> Or they sorry, the developer sold it to
[3:39:09] a management
[3:39:09] >> to a management company. Yeah. But they
[3:39:11] haven't been sold to people to real
[3:39:15] people.
[3:39:18] » Yes.
[3:39:19] >> Other comments or questions from
[3:39:20] council?
[3:39:22] All right, seeing none, we'll move on to
[3:39:24] our last item of existing business,
[3:39:26] agenda bill 26-63, proposed amendments
[3:39:28] to DMC14.50
[3:39:30] on signs and again to director Batty.
[3:39:34] Um
[3:39:37] we won't go through the presentation
[3:39:38] again, but if there's any questions
[3:39:41] um
[3:39:43] any discussion you'd like to hold before
[3:39:46] uh the decision
[3:39:49] may pro I do have a question because it
[3:39:52] came up in the comments but it was also
[3:39:54] referenced on your slides and and
[3:39:56] actually I reached out to you sort of
[3:39:58] prior to the meeting but I didn't see
[3:40:00] any changes as well. Um, I did not watch
[3:40:02] the planning commission meeting,
[3:40:06] but I it would be helpful to understand
[3:40:10] a little bit of the rationale in terms
[3:40:12] of why they didn't move forward. I
[3:40:14] didn't necessarily wasn't going to
[3:40:15] recommend a change to five coming to the
[3:40:17] meeting, but I also recognized, you
[3:40:20] know, one sign in front of the property
[3:40:22] and one well, there were actually two
[3:40:24] things, one in the property and sort of
[3:40:26] one somewhere else. And then also how
[3:40:29] that conflicted with the redway which
[3:40:30] was only one. So there was that piece of
[3:40:33] it in terms of rationaliz but but also
[3:40:35] just understanding like
[3:40:37] what was the rationale in terms of
[3:40:40] recommending against the change from
[3:40:42] what I because I I guess I'm trying to
[3:40:45] that was not where I would have landed
[3:40:47] and so I'm trying to understand their
[3:40:48] thinking. So, at the at the planning
[3:40:51] commission hearing, the letter was
[3:40:52] presented um and there was a motion to
[3:40:57] recommend um adoption of the sign code
[3:41:01] of ordinance with the changes as spelled
[3:41:03] out in the letter. And um and so as a a
[3:41:08] clarifier that asked um like what
[3:41:11] specifically were you looking to change
[3:41:13] within the code regulations? So we we
[3:41:16] went point by point um from the letter
[3:41:20] to discuss when when the request is for
[3:41:24] a greater number of aboard signs. The
[3:41:26] code right now says you may have one for um if you are a real estate agent
[3:41:32] and you're looking to have an aboard
[3:41:34] sign for an open house. The code allows
[3:41:36] one in front of the property and then
[3:41:38] one elsewhere within the rightway. Um,
[3:41:40] so I asked, "Do you mean you want two as
[3:41:45] a frontage and three somewhere else, or
[3:41:48] you still want one as a frontage and
[3:41:49] four somewhere else, or what do you
[3:41:51] actually want?" Um, and they weren't
[3:41:55] sure. Um, and then we also discussed um,
[3:42:03] Can you go back to the slide, please?
[3:42:06] Oh, so we discussed the spacing. Um I
[3:42:09] asked if they wanted the smaller
[3:42:10] spacing. Um they they agreed.
[3:42:16] Yeah, thank you. Um
[3:42:19] we discussed uh the that it would
[3:42:22] effectively lead to visual blight. Um
[3:42:24] and then when we talked about um incre
[3:42:28] decreasing the front setback for those
[3:42:32] um the medium size such as posted arm
[3:42:37] signs um that wouldn't have a great
[3:42:40] impact. So staff was recommending reduce
[3:42:42] that front step back but did not
[3:42:44] recommend increasing the number of
[3:42:45] aboard signs or reducing the separation.
[3:42:49] And so as we talked through it and I
[3:42:50] asked for specificity on exactly how
[3:42:52] they wanted the code changed,
[3:42:55] the planning commissioner uh withdrew
[3:42:57] their motion to make those amendments
[3:43:01] and then there was a new motion to
[3:43:04] recommend approval per staff's
[3:43:06] recommendation
[3:43:08] and that is the time.
[3:43:12] » Other council comments, questions,
[3:43:16] uh council member. Yeah, I really I
[3:43:19] can't really go along with the uh
[3:43:21] planning commission's recommendations
[3:43:23] that
[3:43:25] you know driving around on Sunday
[3:43:27] afternoon.
[3:43:29] I don't really see a plethora of aboards
[3:43:33] on every street corner and every ride
[3:43:35] away. It doesn't seem like that's really
[3:43:37] a big problem. Temporary signs, small
[3:43:40] signs, they drive up and down main
[3:43:42] street. I just see them all over the
[3:43:44] place and that's that's more of a issue
[3:43:46] for me.
[3:43:48] But I I I could see restricting
[3:43:52] temporary eightword signs to just one on
[3:43:54] the property and one located somewhere
[3:43:58] else. That's not really going to help
[3:43:59] anybody find find the house at all.
[3:44:05] » Other comments. Uh council member
[3:44:07] Wiggins.
[3:44:08] >> Uh yes. Hi. Am I am I reading the uh the
[3:44:10] matrices correct for aboard frames
[3:44:12] temporary because I'm I'm seeing two and
[3:44:17] but I'm hearing one on this call. Am I
[3:44:19] reading this thing incorrectly?
[3:44:21] >> One and one. So it's two total but it's
[3:44:23] one and one.
[3:44:25] >> It's one on property and one somewhere
[3:44:27] else within the right ofway. So it's two
[3:44:29] total signs per open house.
[3:44:32] >> Yeah. I remember the uh the open house
[3:44:34] or that we had and hearing from the
[3:44:37] realtors and they wanted five and we
[3:44:39] went back and forth. It came out as one
[3:44:40] and they wanted five and I thought we
[3:44:42] met in the middle somewhere. Was that
[3:44:44] presented to planning commission?
[3:44:47] >> This the the presentation to planning
[3:44:50] commission um was the one for frontage,
[3:44:53] one for off-site and then they had a
[3:44:56] discussion about allowing more and they
[3:44:57] decided to not go forward with that
[3:44:59] motion.
[3:45:00] >> Yeah.
[3:45:04] >> Quick question, point of information. I
[3:45:06] know this is ripe for decision. Um, is
[3:45:09] there a time limit on this decision?
[3:45:12] Like you need it by a certain time or
[3:45:13] it's passable at any point. I know we
[3:45:15] want to get it done, but I just want to
[3:45:16] check if there's a statute. Go ahead.
[3:45:18] >> Um, yeah. No, we're not Well, the
[3:45:22] Supreme Court ruled 10 years ago that we
[3:45:23] needed to fix this. So, Right. Yeah. Um,
[3:45:26] [laughter]
[3:45:27] so ultimately there's one issue left and
[3:45:30] if we could get council by kind of a
[3:45:34] vote here tonight on how many aboard
[3:45:37] signs you want, we can finish this work,
[3:45:40] create an an ordinance and put it on
[3:45:42] consent next time and include the site
[3:45:45] code work, which would be lovely to take
[3:45:48] something off of director Batty's
[3:45:50] >> workload. So ideally we could go around
[3:45:54] with council, come up with a number,
[3:45:56] give her direction so we can finish this
[3:45:58] work by next week. With that said, we're
[3:46:01] under no
[3:46:03] >> dead statutory deadline to have this
[3:46:04] done.
[3:46:05] >> But they don't necessarily need to vote
[3:46:06] on it. You would just want a general
[3:46:07] consensus and potentially could come
[3:46:08] back on consent agenda next month.
[3:46:10] >> It is on the planning calendar to come
[3:46:12] back to consent.
[3:46:14] >> Okay.
[3:46:14] >> For 91. So, with that, um, Council
[3:46:17] Member Wiggins, do you have a proposal
[3:46:19] or did you have a different question?
[3:46:21] >> Three. I go I'm going with three.
[3:46:24] >> Um, Council Member Olen, would you just
[3:46:26] mind verbalizing? I see your hand. I
[3:46:28] actually can't see if you're raising
[3:46:29] your hand or showing me three fingers or
[3:46:31] something else.
[3:46:32] >> I I was also going to suggest three.
[3:46:35] >> Okay. Um, Council Member Supple, did you
[3:46:37] want to weigh in on that?
[3:46:38] >> Yeah, I don't see three being sufficient number. You know, I' I'd go
[3:46:44] with five.
[3:46:46] I mean, it doesn't mean they have to set
[3:46:47] up five, right? If you got a house a
[3:46:50] block off of Main Street,
[3:46:52] >> you're going to set one up on Main
[3:46:53] Street, one on the prop. You're not
[3:46:55] going to set up five in particers
[3:47:07] or whatever. It's just, it's not a it's
[3:47:10] not a problem for me.
[3:47:13] Mayor Prism, did you want to weigh in on
[3:47:15] three, five, or some other number?
[3:47:16] >> Yeah. So, I mean, I initially was going
[3:47:17] to go by three, but you know, again,
[3:47:19] it's based on where you live in in sort
[3:47:22] of Legacy Ridge. I see one outside then,
[3:47:24] you know, you're right in the house, but
[3:47:26] depending on how far off a beach you
[3:47:28] are, the number will vary. I also don't
[3:47:30] see a big difference in impact between
[3:47:33] three and five. So, I would be fine
[3:47:35] going with five. We can always adjust
[3:47:37] it. I think that's one of the things
[3:47:39] we've learned. If it turns out to be too
[3:47:40] many, we can revisit this in a future.
[3:47:43] >> Council member Hernandez,
[3:47:44] >> I'm probably going to be the weird one
[3:47:45] here and say four. [laughter]
[3:47:48] >> Uh, one in front of the house, one on a
[3:47:50] main street, and then two wayf finding
[3:47:52] ones.
[3:47:54] >> So, I will circle back around one more
[3:47:56] time [laughter] because we've got two
[3:47:59] for three, two for five, and one for
[3:48:01] four for funsies. Um,
[3:48:03] >> Council Member Wiggins, do you Oh, do
[3:48:05] you have a suggestion?
[3:48:06] >> Um, I I would like a clarifying point.
[3:48:08] Right now the um the draft is one per
[3:48:11] frontage and one offsite.
[3:48:12] >> Oh, I see.
[3:48:13] >> Are it I would like feedback. Is it just
[3:48:16] a maximum and you don't care where they
[3:48:18] are located and we do not regulate said
[3:48:21] location and it's just a number or you
[3:48:25] may uh have a x number for frontage and
[3:48:29] y number everywhere up.
[3:48:31] >> That's a good clarification. Did you or
[3:48:33] Oh, do you want to go ahead? I I'm not a
[3:48:36] policy maker, but can I offer that I do
[3:48:39] manage enforcement. I think it'd be
[3:48:41] easier if we just had a number of folks
[3:48:42] can put them wherever they want.
[3:48:44] >> Yeah.
[3:48:44] >> Um Council Member Wiggins, I'll start
[3:48:48] back with you. Um I just want to check.
[3:48:50] Are you stuck at three, which is fine if
[3:48:53] you are, or are you open to a higher
[3:48:55] number, and then are you also open to it
[3:48:57] just being an overall number and they
[3:48:58] can put them where they want rather than
[3:49:00] differentiating the one on property in?
[3:49:03] Okay.
[3:49:03] >> Yeah, I'm okay if we want to go five. I
[3:49:05] just don't want to see five on Main
[3:49:07] Street. So, I'm going to add that in
[3:49:08] there. I don't want five on Main Street.
[3:49:11] >> No.
[3:49:13] >> Council member Olen, do you want to
[3:49:14] weigh back in? Are you still at three or
[3:49:16] did you want to move in one direction?
[3:49:19] >> I'm fine if you are.
[3:49:20] >> I I'm okay with with five. My my request
[3:49:23] would be that if you know if if
[3:49:25] enforcement becomes a problem or if
[3:49:28] these become you know an eyesore which
[3:49:30] it sounds like they won't but if they do
[3:49:32] that we would circle back
[3:49:34] >> and or or that city staff would would um
[3:49:37] speak up if enforcement becomes an
[3:49:39] issue.
[3:49:41] >> So it sounds like it's not unanimous but
[3:49:44] I'm looking at you now I'm just kidding.
[3:49:45] Um but in general five is acceptable to
[3:49:48] a majority actually five you get the
[3:49:51] five. Okay, thank you. I appreciate the
[3:49:53] extra time. I think we're I think we're
[3:49:56] there.
[3:49:56] >> We're getting so close.
[3:49:57] >> Okay, so are we are we good then and for
[3:50:00] that to come back with a draft? Okay,
[3:50:02] perfect.
[3:50:04] >> So, um before we move on to new
[3:50:06] business, um with someone on council,
[3:50:08] would you like to make a motion to
[3:50:09] extend the meeting past 9:30 just so we
[3:50:11] don't come up that time?
[3:50:14] >> I moved to extend the meeting past 9:30.
[3:50:17] Seconded.
[3:50:18] >> It's been moved and seconded to extend
[3:50:19] past 9:30. All those in favor say I.
[3:50:22] >> I.
[3:50:24] >> All those opposed say no. Motion passes.
[3:50:28] And so next up we are on to new
[3:50:30] business. And it is my greatest pleasure
[3:50:32] to now turn this portion of the meeting
[3:50:33] over to Mayor Mercer.
[3:50:36] >> Thank you. [clears throat]
[3:50:38] Um yeah, hopefully this will move fairly
[3:50:42] quickly so we can I know we still have
[3:50:45] quite a bit on the agenda this evening.
[3:50:47] Um, so I'd like to start by thanking
[3:50:50] everyone who applied and encourage those
[3:50:52] who don't get selected this time around
[3:50:55] not to get discouraged. Um, I think many
[3:50:58] of us on this council, we've been
[3:50:59] through this process multiple times,
[3:51:01] sometimes before we get get appointed.
[3:51:03] Uh, and there will be other
[3:51:04] opportunities to get involved in city
[3:51:06] government and or participate in public
[3:51:08] service within the community. Uh, for
[3:51:11] council procedures, we'll be using a
[3:51:13] streamline process this evening to fill
[3:51:16] the vacancy. Um, we actually have two
[3:51:18] positions open right now. Tonight we'll
[3:51:20] just be focusing on position number
[3:51:22] three. Um,
[3:51:25] uh, and so that streamline process
[3:51:27] involves a public interview session of
[3:51:29] the candidates followed by an executive
[3:51:31] session to discuss each candidates's
[3:51:33] responses and then an open vote. The
[3:51:36] list of potential interview questions
[3:51:37] was determined in advance by the city
[3:51:39] council.
[3:51:41] Um,
[3:51:43] I will ask each candidate the same set
[3:51:45] of questions while the other candidate
[3:51:47] stays outside the room. When the
[3:51:49] interviews are completed, council will
[3:51:51] go into executive session to discuss
[3:51:52] each candidate's responses and their
[3:51:54] qualifications. When the council meeting
[3:51:56] resumes, we will conduct a vote by
[3:51:58] matrix. We each council member will
[3:52:00] receive one vote per candidate. Tides
[3:52:03] will be determined by subsequent runoff
[3:52:05] votes until only one candidate remains.
[3:52:08] Um, and I believe we only have two. I'm
[3:52:11] sorry, city administrator.
[3:52:12] >> Yeah. Um, so we need to clarify the
[3:52:15] agenda. So those rules are for um
[3:52:20] when uh we'd be doing the whole series
[3:52:24] in a meeting. So we have not noticed an
[3:52:27] executive session following the
[3:52:29] interview. Uh the agenda has an
[3:52:31] interview and then an immediate vote for
[3:52:34] position three. So I just want to make
[3:52:36] sure we clarify the executive session
[3:52:38] under new business number four is to
[3:52:41] select the finalist for position number
[3:52:43] two.
[3:52:46] » Thank you. We haven't followed you. We
[3:52:48] had to discuss something different the
[3:52:51] >> agenda setting but that's that's fine
[3:52:53] but appreciate the clarification. So um
[3:52:57] so then yes it'll be the interview and
[3:52:58] then then the vote. Um
[3:53:02] uh the two candidates uh we'll be
[3:53:04] interviewing this evening are Mala Mu
[3:53:07] Vivo and Sarah Taylor. Um uh it may be
[3:53:13] easy. I I we typically just do in
[3:53:15] alphabetical order is the easiest way.
[3:53:18] Um so Sarah, I will ask you to sort of
[3:53:21] step out. I don't know if they're going
[3:53:23] to go downstairs for this.
[3:53:24] >> I can and go downstairs.
[3:53:40] and then we'll call you up get to see
[3:53:42] the process as well
[3:53:46] » a big headset ma
[3:53:47] >> yeah ma you can I mean it's probably
[3:53:50] more comfortable rather than put you at
[3:53:51] the podium have you just sit at the open
[3:53:54] chair um if you don't mind waiting a
[3:53:56] moment I' let for the will come to me
[3:53:58] here. So Jen just took a quick you can
[3:54:00] sit down as you're comfortable
[3:54:03] and then we will so it'll be three
[3:54:06] questions and then you'll have an
[3:54:07] opportunity at the end to do any type of
[3:54:10] statement that you want as well.
[3:54:20] Are we using the youth could we
[3:54:22] technically be
[3:54:26] » where we got in the meeting or
[3:54:28] >> everyone else is stand
[3:54:39] [laughter]
[3:54:43] » Yeah.
[3:55:03] Oh, it was this one that we added
[3:55:04] though. I don't know.
[3:55:08] >> Um,
[3:55:09] okay. So, uh, take the time. everyone
[3:55:13] that's sort of on the spot here, but um
[3:55:16] I I've tried to pick three questions
[3:55:17] that sort of cover different aspects of
[3:55:19] council process. So the first question
[3:55:21] is describe a time you had to make a
[3:55:24] decision on the board committee or in
[3:55:26] your professional life where your
[3:55:28] personal interests or relationships
[3:55:30] conflicted with what you believed was
[3:55:32] the right outcome of the group. How did
[3:55:34] you handle it? And what would you do if
[3:55:36] that kind of conflict came up on this
[3:55:38] council? May I please ask you to repeat
[3:55:40] the question? Yes. Just to make sure I
[3:55:42] get it for the day.
[3:55:44] >> So, describe a time when you had to make
[3:55:46] a decision on a board committee or in
[3:55:48] your professional life where your
[3:55:51] interests or relationships conflicted
[3:55:52] with what you believed was the right
[3:55:54] outcome. So, kind of a conflict of
[3:55:55] interest type thing um with the right
[3:55:58] income for the group. How'd you handle
[3:56:00] it? And what would you do if that kind
[3:56:02] of conflict came up on this council?
[3:56:05] >> Okay, that's a great question. Um I know
[3:56:07] we all um go through a lot of conflicts
[3:56:10] you know whether it's a job or whatever
[3:56:13] we do. So I have experienced that quite
[3:56:16] a number of times but I'm going to
[3:56:18] explain with an example. Um most
[3:56:20] recently um what I experienced is you
[3:56:24] know like we have we all all the time we
[3:56:26] have discussions like whenever there is
[3:56:28] a a topic of discussion that comes I
[3:56:32] know you you you all had a discussion
[3:56:33] just now and then you have to go back
[3:56:35] around just similar to that we do run
[3:56:38] into similar situations and as I'm a
[3:56:41] supervisor I definitely want to give
[3:56:42] opportunity for every that that's my
[3:56:45] role currently with city of Seattle so I
[3:56:48] definitely want allow each and every
[3:56:52] member of my team to have the ability to
[3:56:55] speak up and then I start to think about
[3:56:58] okay whatever the options that come out
[3:57:01] of that meeting what is the best one
[3:57:04] which is going to be the best option for
[3:57:07] city of Seattle not just in the best
[3:57:09] interest of myself or the individual
[3:57:12] themselves. So we do have um such
[3:57:15] situations come up quite a few times and
[3:57:18] we recently had a situation where um
[3:57:21] there were two individuals we had whom
[3:57:23] had conflict with each other but I had
[3:57:26] to literally listen to both of them and
[3:57:28] then I had to make a decision on hey we
[3:57:30] just need to I just want you guys to
[3:57:32] think through and see what it's what is
[3:57:35] going to be the best option for city of
[3:57:37] Seattle not and the business and the
[3:57:39] people we support and it's not going to
[3:57:41] be based on your individual ual needs,
[3:57:44] right? Or what satisfies you. So
[3:57:47] eventually we we came up with a group
[3:57:50] discussion and then everyone decided
[3:57:52] okay let's uh find out what are the best
[3:57:55] options. So we wrote it down and then we
[3:57:58] read it out loud so that everybody's
[3:58:00] clear on how we going to one of it was
[3:58:03] communication related and one of it was
[3:58:06] um related to the decision making on you
[3:58:09] know uh what kind of solution are we
[3:58:11] going to think right so luckily both of
[3:58:15] them agreed and you know like each one
[3:58:18] had a specific uh you know option like
[3:58:21] oh this is how I want the communication
[3:58:23] to go and the other person agreed agreed
[3:58:26] and that was the best option for us to
[3:58:28] pick because uh it actually suited the
[3:58:30] business needs and it will also add
[3:58:32] value to the business and the people we
[3:58:34] support. So we opted with that same as
[3:58:36] the solution option also we had to pick
[3:58:38] up the right solution. I'm sorry I'm
[3:58:41] always turning the side. I do like
[3:58:43] couple of them are there but I just uh
[3:58:45] you know we ended up picking the right
[3:58:47] solution and the right communication
[3:58:49] plan uh which actually helped resolve
[3:58:52] the problem the also the conflict of
[3:58:54] interest.
[3:58:56] >> Thank you.
[3:58:56] >> Yeah.
[3:58:57] >> Um second one we'll pivot a little bit.
[3:59:00] Dubal like most small cities has to
[3:59:03] balance infrastructure and service needs
[3:59:06] uh growth pressure as we exhibited
[3:59:08] tonight and uh uh and a limited budget.
[3:59:11] Hypothetically and and this can be a
[3:59:14] hypothetical so we won't hold you to
[3:59:15] when it comes to budget setting time. Um
[3:59:18] what's a tradeoff or compromise you'd be
[3:59:20] willing to make? Something you'd
[3:59:22] prioritize even if it meant delay or
[3:59:24] cutting something else the residents
[3:59:26] cared about and why? And then how would
[3:59:29] you go about getting support from the
[3:59:30] community for your decision?
[3:59:32] >> That's another great question. I did
[3:59:34] hear a lot of people with a lot of
[3:59:36] concerns. I really appreciate all of
[3:59:37] them coming here together. That shows
[3:59:40] how much they love the city that we all
[3:59:42] live in. So yes, it is definitely a
[3:59:44] great city to be part of. Um I know it's
[3:59:47] a small city. I know that that there is
[3:59:49] not much infrastructure that we can
[3:59:51] expand. um based on uh what I heard I do
[3:59:56] understand like with the budget
[3:59:57] constraints I also deal with the same in
[3:59:59] my own job. So one of the things that uh
[4:00:03] we are doing right now is to make sure
[4:00:08] um you know identify all bullet point
[4:00:10] all the list of things that's a priority
[4:00:14] what's going to serve the community
[4:00:15] better right and then come up with the
[4:00:18] option I know we also have to look at
[4:00:20] the budget constraints and what is it
[4:00:22] that what is it what will be possible
[4:00:25] within the budget to meet or you know uh
[4:00:30] meet the list of things that we have in
[4:00:32] play and then come up with a um you know
[4:00:37] I know like um many of them might have
[4:00:39] rooted for like no I want this I want
[4:00:41] that I want the other but one of the
[4:00:43] thing that I'm seeing right now is I
[4:00:45] also heard uh during the meeting that we
[4:00:48] don't have
[4:00:50] you know like we don't have the
[4:00:51] emergency services here like emergency
[4:00:53] in the sense hospital that's what I
[4:00:55] meant so
[4:00:58] for me that's more important because our
[4:01:00] community is growing and there are a lot
[4:01:02] of people you know who are also in the
[4:01:04] age where the critical you know need
[4:01:06] will be rising more so if that is a
[4:01:10] priority and that's on our list and if
[4:01:12] we can do that I definitely see how to
[4:01:15] make that happen but based on the budget
[4:01:17] constraints if that's not going to be
[4:01:19] possible at least you know jot down
[4:01:22] everything list by list and then come up
[4:01:25] with a plan and sometimes yes we may not
[4:01:29] be able to satis is for everyone but I
[4:01:31] would definitely lean forward towards
[4:01:34] what is the most uh you know thing that
[4:01:36] is achievable within the budget and also
[4:01:40] it adds more value to the people of the
[4:01:43] safety wall. So um that's what I would
[4:01:47] you know see how we can make it happen
[4:01:49] and then we can definitely think of the
[4:01:51] other options down the line doesn't mean
[4:01:53] that you know we are not able to do this
[4:01:56] year doesn't mean that we can think
[4:01:58] about it next year that's how I see it
[4:02:01] >> and then on the just to refresh on the second part is how would you go
[4:02:06] about getting support from the community
[4:02:07] for your decision just to make sure you
[4:02:09] have an opportunity to respond to that
[4:02:10] one as well.
[4:02:11] >> That's another great question. One of
[4:02:13] the thing is I know you guys do a lot of
[4:02:15] workshops. I know uh there are a lot of
[4:02:17] opportunities where you are also
[4:02:19] advertising. I also like to reach out to
[4:02:22] people you know that's one of my passion
[4:02:24] you know I like to go meet people uh in
[4:02:27] person uh if that is allowed you know I
[4:02:30] would definitely love to do that um you
[4:02:32] know whatever possible way because I
[4:02:34] myself I can tell like I'm not like a
[4:02:37] media person you know like going under
[4:02:40] the media every now and then. So I like
[4:02:43] to meet people and see how we can even
[4:02:47] passing on uh flyers you know and going
[4:02:51] and uh getting people to understand hey
[4:02:54] here's something that's happening would
[4:02:56] you be interested you know like
[4:02:58] understanding if their willingness you
[4:03:01] know and what they want those are the
[4:03:03] things that can uh help you know build a
[4:03:07] stronger community I already see that
[4:03:08] happen here so um I would like to do
[4:03:11] that an option.
[4:03:14] >> Um and then the third one um is more
[4:03:17] really around sort of the the way
[4:03:18] council works. It's council decisions
[4:03:20] often require you to vote alongside
[4:03:22] colleagues colleagues with whom your
[4:03:25] views don't fully align.
[4:03:28] I saw some of that seat. Uh um tell us
[4:03:31] about a time you had to work
[4:03:32] productively with someone whose approach
[4:03:34] or values differed from yours and what
[4:03:37] you learned about building consensus
[4:03:39] without abandoning your own position.
[4:03:42] >> I liked how the discussion went on today
[4:03:45] uh you know regarding one of the the
[4:03:47] oing especially with the signs. Um I
[4:03:50] actually thought like hm maybe I didn't
[4:03:52] think through you know a web planning
[4:03:54] functioner like right like that's one of
[4:03:57] the thing that came to my mind maybe I
[4:03:58] didn't think through that option of
[4:04:01] maybe it doesn't hurt to have the five
[4:04:03] side than the four side uh that's one of
[4:04:05] the thing that came to my mind as I was
[4:04:07] listening uh um
[4:04:11] uh do you want another example of uh a
[4:04:15] situation where I would have made a
[4:04:17] decision and then All right.
[4:04:19] >> Yeah. I mean, I think it's really the
[4:04:21] intent of this question is more like um
[4:04:23] if you're how do you go about building
[4:04:25] consensus within a group? Uh it really
[4:04:27] is sort of the core nail of that and
[4:04:29] then you know if you don't come out on
[4:04:31] the winning side of the vote um how do
[4:04:33] you continue to work effectively with capital because it is a it is a
[4:04:37] representative form of government.
[4:04:39] >> Um yeah um that always happens with the
[4:04:42] software development actually u you know
[4:04:44] because I come from the software
[4:04:46] development background. So I literally
[4:04:49] like to understand the needs more than
[4:04:52] you know I know I whatever solution
[4:04:53] because we always come up with like four
[4:04:55] or five solutions and we pick the most
[4:04:58] uh useful one and you know most least
[4:05:00] expensive one and what's more um uh
[4:05:04] useful for the business you know in
[4:05:06] reliability ease of maintenance and all
[4:05:09] that sometimes I may pick the wrong one
[4:05:11] but I still had to uh go with the the
[4:05:14] team as to what everyone is deciding
[4:05:17] and wanted to choose what is the right
[4:05:20] thing to do. It may not be the one that
[4:05:22] I chose. So I have come uh you know
[4:05:25] there are several situations like that
[4:05:27] and same thing even with budgeting.
[4:05:30] you know I may say something
[4:05:31] and I'm like no that it didn't work. So
[4:05:34] I had to literally listen to other
[4:05:36] opinions you know within the uh within
[4:05:39] because we have like quite a few at
[4:05:41] least three managers. We are three of us we work together. So we I
[4:05:45] had to literally listen to all of them
[4:05:47] and then come up with what is the most
[4:05:49] uh optimal solution rather than just my
[4:05:52] opinion. So yeah,
[4:05:55] >> thank you. Um and then is there anything
[4:05:57] else you'd like to say about yourself
[4:05:59] that you feel is important for us to
[4:06:01] consider before we conclude your
[4:06:03] interview? Um you have two minutes. I
[4:06:05] know you don't have the two minutes up
[4:06:06] here, but you can sort of keep track of
[4:06:08] that
[4:06:10] statement.
[4:06:11] >> Um sure. I definitely want to thank each
[4:06:13] and every one of you uh for being
[4:06:15] present here and listening to me and
[4:06:18] also listening to all the people and
[4:06:20] doing the best you know possible things
[4:06:22] for our city of Dwal and the people who
[4:06:24] live here and I want to say thank you uh
[4:06:27] and also I definitely will add more
[4:06:30] value um as I come from I know I'm
[4:06:33] different ethnicity but also I have a
[4:06:35] lot of experience with lot of different
[4:06:37] areas uh that I bring in to the council
[4:06:40] from budgeting
[4:06:42] Um, and I I think I also do a lot of uh
[4:06:47] negotiations. I've done quite a bit of
[4:06:49] those. Um, and I also value, you know,
[4:06:52] like I work in the community. So, I
[4:06:54] wanted to learn more and I wanted to be
[4:06:56] able to serve the community. So, that's
[4:06:58] the passion that I have. So, I think
[4:07:01] that I don't know if I'm up uh but I
[4:07:04] just wanted to
[4:07:06] >> um yeah, say thank you and end here.
[4:07:08] >> Well, thank you.
[4:07:09] >> All right. And you can actually stay up
[4:07:12] here since you you know the questions
[4:07:14] now. So if you want to
[4:07:19] thank you again.
[4:07:20] >> Oh
[4:07:24] no.
[4:07:27] >> I think we need a little downstairs.
[4:07:29] That would be really fun.
[4:07:31] Do we have to
[4:07:35] actually work because these are all like
[4:07:37] city hall too.
[4:07:42] Jennifer,
[4:07:46] » I think they let her know she can stay
[4:07:48] up here if she wanted. Is that okay?
[4:07:51] >> You can be in the podium or you can sit
[4:07:52] at the table. Probably more comfortable.
[4:08:03] » Hopefully it wasn't too cold down there.
[4:08:05] Okay.
[4:08:11] » All right. So, um there will be three
[4:08:13] questions and then you'll have an
[4:08:14] opportunity to do a closing statement as
[4:08:16] well. Um so the first question is
[4:08:18] describe a time when you had to make a
[4:08:20] decision on the board committee or in
[4:08:22] your professional life where your
[4:08:24] personal interests or relationships
[4:08:26] conflicted with what you believed was
[4:08:27] the right outcome of the group. So
[4:08:29] basically a conflict of interest type scenario. How did you handle it and
[4:08:33] what would you do if that kind of
[4:08:35] conflict came up on this council?
[4:08:38] >> Trying to think. My first implement
[4:08:40] would be probably when I was on the
[4:08:43] decision-making team at my school
[4:08:45] because we're elected and I represented
[4:08:47] fifth and fourth grade and sometimes the
[4:08:50] intermediate grades are not always
[4:08:52] getting the
[4:08:55] brunt of the attention but because you
[4:08:57] know foundational literacy important.
[4:08:59] Um, and sometimes we would bring like
[4:09:03] actually I could think of my brain is
[4:09:06] absolutely frightening.
[4:09:09] I should have
[4:09:14] I don't usually have too much of a
[4:09:15] conflict opinion usually because with
[4:09:19] the teams we've had
[4:09:21] we never usually have to hash anything
[4:09:23] out. I'm trying to figure out a time
[4:09:24] when we did have to freshman get
[4:09:26] something.
[4:09:28] It's a really tiny
[4:09:31] we have computer. No, my brain is not
[4:09:33] having blue.
[4:09:36] >> Okay.
[4:09:37] >> No, I guess I absolutely I we have
[4:09:39] nothing.
[4:09:43] » Um that's fine. I can I'll move on to
[4:09:46] the the next question. Um Duvall like
[4:09:49] most small cities has to balance
[4:09:51] infrastructure and service needs, growth
[4:09:53] pressure, and a limited budget. um
[4:09:57] hypothetically
[4:09:58] and and again won't hold you to this uh
[4:10:01] if we get to budget setting um what's a
[4:10:04] trade-off or compromise you'd be billing
[4:10:06] be willing to make something you'd
[4:10:09] prioritize um even if it meant delaying
[4:10:11] or cutting something else residents care
[4:10:13] about. So in terms of you know we we
[4:10:15] balance those those things in terms of
[4:10:17] what we could do on a given given budget
[4:10:19] cycle how would you go about getting
[4:10:21] support for the community for your
[4:10:22] decision? So kind of what potentially
[4:10:25] would you um prioritize and then how
[4:10:28] would you go about you know determining
[4:10:30] what to prioritize and then how would
[4:10:32] you communicate that decision out to the
[4:10:34] community once it was made?
[4:10:43] Will you ask one more time just because
[4:10:45] >> Oh, sure. No, I'm happy to reate the
[4:10:46] question. Um, Dubal, like most small
[4:10:48] cities, has to balance infrastructure
[4:10:51] and service needs. So, what we deliver
[4:10:54] to the community, growth pressure, and a
[4:10:56] limited budget.
[4:10:58] Hypothetically, what's a trade-off or
[4:11:00] compromise? You'd be willing to make
[4:11:02] something you'd prioritize even if it
[4:11:04] meant delaying or cutting something else
[4:11:05] residents care about. Um, basically
[4:11:08] couldn't do everything. Kind of what
[4:11:10] would you do and why? Uh, and how would
[4:11:12] you go about getting support for the
[4:11:14] community for your decision?
[4:11:17] >> I think going back to kind of this
[4:11:20] evening's meeting when so many of the
[4:11:21] community members came in for about like
[4:11:23] zoning and like thinking about affecting
[4:11:25] Oldtown. Um, one thing that I think
[4:11:29] would be I really believe in that I
[4:11:31] would love to even get more support for
[4:11:33] is just bringing more not necessarily
[4:11:36] like housing but just more of that job
[4:11:40] opportunity the growth because a lot of
[4:11:42] like when we becomes a flood and we
[4:11:44] become an island like you were
[4:11:46] mentioning it's the teenagers who are
[4:11:49] kind of working because those are the
[4:11:50] only people who can afford those wages
[4:11:52] for the limited opportunities and then
[4:11:55] trying to figure out ways I would love
[4:11:56] to support being able to figure out how
[4:11:58] we could get be more attractive in
[4:12:00] Duvall to more businesses to attract not
[4:12:03] just teenagers but people like who would
[4:12:05] want to be able to stay in the community
[4:12:07] be able to not have to leave so we could
[4:12:09] just have those opportunities with more
[4:12:11] activities people making more livable
[4:12:14] wages and I imagine that would probably
[4:12:17] get a lot of community support but then
[4:12:19] just figuring out how to like network
[4:12:21] and go around everywhere asking for
[4:12:23] support and ideas and figuring out how
[4:12:25] we could appeal to different county or
[4:12:27] whatever to just make it attractive.
[4:12:33] » And thank you. And the the third um is
[4:12:37] sort of a a little bit of a pivot. Um
[4:12:39] council decisions often require you to
[4:12:41] vote alongside colleagues with whom your
[4:12:44] views don't fully align. Um, tell us
[4:12:47] about a time you had to work
[4:12:48] productively with someone whose approach
[4:12:50] or values differed from yours and what
[4:12:53] you learned about building consensus
[4:12:54] without abandoning your own position.
[4:12:58] >> Again, for my pro. Yeah. One more.
[4:13:00] >> Yeah. Council decisions often require
[4:13:02] you to vote alongside colleagues with
[4:13:04] whom your views don't formulate
[4:13:06] >> or different perspectives. Um, tell us
[4:13:09] about a time you had to work
[4:13:11] productively with someone whose approach
[4:13:13] or values differed from yours and what
[4:13:16] you learned about building consensus
[4:13:17] without abandoning your own position or
[4:13:20] your own point of view.
[4:13:22] >> Well, again, I'm I'm a teacher and so we
[4:13:25] often have to we get to work in our
[4:13:27] teams and
[4:13:30] sometimes what we or we have to reach on
[4:13:33] the common goal. But if like I love
[4:13:36] science and then my colleague doesn't
[4:13:38] really love science. So sometimes I have
[4:13:40] to figure out how to
[4:13:42] like first of all read the grade level
[4:13:44] the state standards but then sometimes
[4:13:47] actually having to explain what the
[4:13:50] actual relevance and importance because
[4:13:51] I've had work with colleagues who are
[4:13:53] like well science isn't important we
[4:13:54] need to get just you know the bring the
[4:13:56] English the reading and the writing and
[4:13:57] that's all we need and the math like
[4:13:59] well we need those. However, the things
[4:14:01] that tend to keep people in school and
[4:14:04] enjoying the school are the social
[4:14:05] studies, the science, the music, the
[4:14:07] arts, the acting. So then just trying to
[4:14:09] help explain and trying to help them
[4:14:11] understand more of a of my perspective
[4:14:13] as I see it and trying to help
[4:14:14] understand what perspective they're
[4:14:17] coming from and trying to figure out a
[4:14:18] way I can try to find a connection or
[4:14:21] find that open door so I can try to meet
[4:14:23] them somewhere and say, "Oh, well, how
[4:14:24] about we could try like maybe this this
[4:14:26] is why we could incorporate what you're
[4:14:28] thinking of into more in the social studies in the math into
[4:14:33] the social math into the science and
[4:14:35] then just trying to figure out how we
[4:14:37] can try to actually reach that
[4:14:39] cooperation even though they may not see
[4:14:42] the importance of social studies or
[4:14:43] science and I do call it foundation.
[4:14:50] » Thank you.
[4:14:52] >> Uh so the last one is is there anything
[4:14:54] else you'd like to say about yourself
[4:14:56] that you feel is important for us to
[4:14:57] consider before we conclude your
[4:14:59] interview? um you have two minutes to
[4:15:01] give a closing closing statement. So
[4:15:02] that can be something we didn't touch on
[4:15:04] here or a different topic or or just um
[4:15:08] again anything that you want to state in
[4:15:11] the two minutes. Oh, well, something
[4:15:13] that was nice and easily observable is I
[4:15:16] tend to my mind will sometimes blank and
[4:15:20] then I'll have like the processing time
[4:15:21] a little bit later and then find like,
[4:15:23] oh my gosh, this was my perfect thing.
[4:15:25] But of course, time is like and so
[4:15:28] sometimes my processing time does not
[4:15:31] match whatever I actually sometimes
[4:15:33] need. But that's the joy of ADHD. Um,
[4:15:37] but then I really am in general a very
[4:15:39] thoughtful person and I like with city
[4:15:42] council and planning commission and all
[4:15:44] the other things. I really do love
[4:15:46] learning the different like the laws,
[4:15:47] the coding, listening to how somebody
[4:15:50] else might see something that I totally
[4:15:51] never noticed. It's like, oh my gosh,
[4:15:52] that makes so much sense. And then
[4:15:54] getting that fuller picture. So, one
[4:15:57] thing I really do love is just getting
[4:15:59] to have them, the conversations, the
[4:16:01] learning, the community, and the
[4:16:04] opportunity to keep learning and
[4:16:05] growing. Even though sometimes my timing
[4:16:07] can be very very bad,
[4:16:10] but I'm excited with whoever you guys go
[4:16:13] with because all was awesome too.
[4:16:17] [clears throat]
[4:16:18] >> Appreciate it. Thank you very much. Um,
[4:16:21] you've got couple. So, John, I think the
[4:16:24] next portion of this is you have some
[4:16:27] ballots that pass around and
[4:16:29] >> so I think if you wanted you could
[4:16:31] return to your seat.
[4:17:02] And I think I touched on this in the
[4:17:04] intro, but just so that folks in the
[4:17:06] room have some some visibility, we have
[4:17:08] two votes to distribute amongst the two
[4:17:10] candidates. Um, you can either place all
[4:17:13] of your votes under one candidate,
[4:17:14] distribute them amongst candidates. Um,
[4:17:17] after you vote, uh, I think we all have
[4:17:19] individual their title. We'll pass them around to the city clerk who
[4:17:25] will copy the results and move on from
[4:17:28] there.
[4:17:30] >> Mayor Pam, if I can remind the uh
[4:17:32] council members attending remotely to
[4:17:34] email their ballots as soon as they're
[4:17:37] done, please
[4:17:40] >> heard that. Council member Wiggins and
[4:17:41] Council Member Owen. All right.
[4:17:47] He's in Chicago.
[4:17:51] >> He's like, "Yes, I can hear you."
[4:18:01] be on fifth and
[4:18:17] » yeah
[4:18:24] they
[4:19:14] two
[4:19:26] time.
[4:19:36] I'm just waiting for one more
[4:20:08] Waiting for one.
[4:20:14] » Did they send it either or?
[4:20:16] >> Council member Wiggins did.
[4:20:18] >> Got it.
[4:20:24] » Mine is sent. It's just, you know,
[4:20:26] traveling long distance.
[4:20:29] [laughter]
[4:20:46] Yeah, it was pretty important back then.
[4:20:52] » Reminiscing of how it was brutal. You
[4:20:56] had to like verbally say and it was like
[4:20:59] >> if you could do that across
[4:21:00] >> Yeah. I mean public record but you know
[4:21:16] Yeah.
[4:21:16] >> Hit me in the head and get stuck in my
[4:21:18] hair.
[4:21:23] » Not as bad as that huge jumping spider
[4:21:24] we have in here.
[4:21:32] » I don't know.
[4:21:38] must be getting
[4:21:44] screenshots.
[4:21:45] >> Oh, yeah.
[4:21:46] >> Yeah, that's what
[4:21:48] >> Oh, never mind.
[4:21:51] >> You said something that
[4:21:58] » I apologize for my cough, by the way.
[4:22:00] I'm not sick. It's residue from the
[4:22:02] smoke from the
[4:22:03] >> I thought you should have said your
[4:22:04] coffee and I'm like I don't care if you
[4:22:05] drink.
[4:22:09] I don't know.
[4:22:17] » So I was like no judgment. [laughter]
[4:22:19] >> I can too.
[4:22:20] >> Yeah.
[4:22:23] >> All day and right before I go to bed.
[4:22:29] That's what made me realize that maybe
[4:22:31] you know
[4:22:32] >> there are reasons [laughter]
[4:22:40] [clears throat]
[4:22:41] >> for Kunamala three votes for Sarah
[4:22:44] Taylor seven votes.
[4:22:46] >> Okay.
[4:22:47] >> And like we have in you council member
[4:22:51] congratulates.
[4:22:53] >> Congrats and thanks to everyone who
[4:22:54] applied for that position. Um I So next
[4:22:58] up then would be swearing in U Sarah
[4:23:01] Taylor for council opening for position
[4:23:04] recruit.
[4:23:08] » Oh yes.
[4:23:10] >> Oh is it?
[4:23:13] I didn't see it on the Which one is
[4:23:16] I didn't see it on the
[4:23:32] » faster than me trying I don't know if
[4:23:33] there is
[4:23:57] it.
[4:24:07] Definitely.
[4:24:26] Whatever.
[4:24:36] me over.
[4:24:39] >> Um
[4:25:05] kind of figured out
[4:25:07] that would be a fun
[4:25:16] language.
[4:25:21] Do you want to come up here and then
[4:25:23] position while shot?
[4:25:59] So, I'll just basically leave something
[4:26:04] down because our former mayor was quite
[4:26:07] long, but I'm like, "No, but I can't do
[4:26:10] that."
[4:26:12] >> That's why we vote to extend that 9:30
[4:26:15] preference.
[4:26:18] So, I've done some my best work at 2
[4:26:20] a.m. So,
[4:26:23] >> yeah, it's pretty the recovery time for
[4:26:25] all nighters was different now.
[4:26:33] » Go ahead.
[4:26:34] >> I'm not picking.
[4:26:37] >> Okay. So, just this part here, right?
[4:26:41] >> Yeah. Okay. All right. So you'll raise
[4:26:45] your right hand and repeat after me. I,
[4:26:48] Sarah Taylor,
[4:26:49] >> Sarah Taylor,
[4:26:50] >> do solemnly swear
[4:26:52] >> or affirm
[4:26:54] >> that I will support the Constitution of
[4:26:56] the United States
[4:26:57] >> that I will support the Constitution of
[4:26:59] the United States
[4:27:00] >> and the Constitution and laws
[4:27:04] >> of the state of Washington
[4:27:06] >> state of Washington
[4:27:07] >> and all local ordinances
[4:27:08] >> all local ordinances
[4:27:10] >> and that I will faithfully and
[4:27:11] impartially
[4:27:12] >> I will faithfully and impartially
[4:27:14] >> perform and discharge the duties of the
[4:27:19] office of council member
[4:27:20] >> of the office of council member
[4:27:21] >> according to the law
[4:27:24] >> and the best of my ability
[4:27:26] congratulations welcome to you all city
[4:27:28] council
[4:27:32] » sign
[4:27:45] you keep this and I'll
[4:27:47] Thank you very much.
[4:27:50] >> Do you want a picture? We'll probably
[4:27:55] show your certific.
[4:28:00] » Oh, good. Okay. Do you just want one
[4:28:01] more just in case?
[4:28:04] >> Yeah. Are you a funny version of
[4:28:06] souvenir? [laughter]
[4:28:12] » Very much. And so now you actually get
[4:28:14] to sit at the table right now because
[4:28:17] you were on like this. [laughter]
[4:28:22] >> Okay. So with that we will now hold on.
[4:28:26] Let me get the script here. So
[4:28:27] >> you got another script to read.
[4:28:29] >> Yes.
[4:28:31] Get this right.
[4:28:31] >> Exactly.
[4:28:33] >> Okay.
[4:28:36] So welcome council me. Where are you?
[4:28:38] Council member Taylor. Um all right. We
[4:28:42] are going to the Duval City Council will
[4:28:45] now meet an executive session to discuss
[4:28:49] qualifications of an applicant for city
[4:28:51] council. Um as allowed by RCW42.30.110
[4:28:58] sub one subh. Um council will be in
[4:29:01] executive session until
[4:29:07] you want 20 minute.
[4:29:08] >> Yeah. 4 to 3. Um,
[4:29:11] >> can we should we start smaller council?
[4:29:13] Do you want to start shorter? Yeah, I'm
[4:29:15] seeing a nod for Mike. Um, should we
[4:29:17] start with 10 15 minutes and try to
[4:29:20] >> You think 15?
[4:29:21] >> 15. Yeah,
[4:29:22] >> I know we're going to end, but like
[4:29:23] let's just try. [laughter]
[4:29:25] >> Okay. So, we will the council will be in
[4:29:27] executive session until um 10:16 and I
[4:29:32] will notify the clerk if we need to
[4:29:33] extend
[4:29:44] Okay, back to session.
[4:43:01] Council
[4:43:11] will return from executive session at
[4:43:13] 226.
[4:52:53] Council
[4:53:00] will return from executive se session at
[4:53:03] 2236.
[5:03:38] Council
[5:03:52] will return from executive session at
[5:03:54] 2240.
[5:10:48] Council will return from executive
[5:10:50] session at 22:45.
[5:15:50] Council will return from executive
[5:15:51] session at 2250.
[5:20:40] Council
[5:20:51] will return from executive session at
[5:20:53] 2252.
[5:24:16] Um, is it okay? I know I'm reading. We
[5:24:19] should wait for Oh, it's just most So, I
[5:24:21] think we're we have quum, so we're okay.
[5:24:26] » Oh, okay. Sorry. No, it's
[5:24:31] » trying to modify.
[5:24:33] >> So, I call the Duval City regular
[5:24:36] council the Duval City Council regular
[5:24:38] meeting back to order at 10:53 p.m.
[5:24:43] And
[5:24:46] I'll turn it back over or I guess
[5:24:48] >> back over to Mayor Parton.
[5:24:50] >> Um, so similar this is a similar
[5:24:52] process. Uh just again for for the folks
[5:24:55] in the room, each council member has
[5:24:57] four votes. Um and so looks like the
[5:25:01] clerk has already marked out Sarah
[5:25:04] Taylor's name from here. Um so you'll
[5:25:08] have um
[5:25:10] four votes to distribute across the the
[5:25:13] four candidates. Um I think that's
[5:25:16] correct. Yep. And you can uh similar to
[5:25:19] the last one, you can distribute or you
[5:25:21] can place all your votes. Um
[5:25:24] actually sure. Yeah. Okay. Or distribute
[5:25:28] your votes between multiple candidates.
[5:25:29] That could be a little challenging for
[5:25:31] you'll have to add all this up but um
[5:25:34] and then similar you know once you you
[5:25:36] mark the matrix fold it in half and that
[5:25:40] works.
[5:26:19] a little
[5:26:24] an hour ago.
[5:26:39] Yeah, I know.
[5:26:43] » Finding the least bad way to do it.
[5:26:54] » Dancing.
[5:27:11] I know I totally close session. So
[5:27:20] » I'll get up for
[5:27:24] a while.
[5:27:34] an hour
[5:27:36] show you
[5:27:42] » just waiting for one more.
[5:27:44] >> Is it?
[5:27:47] It's not.
[5:27:54] Oh.
[5:27:58] I just like
[5:28:13] I promise. That's why I like my spirit
[5:28:16] almost broke when I remembered.
[5:28:18] [laughter]
[5:28:26] regularly and go till almost midnight.
[5:28:28] That mean
[5:28:29] >> really
[5:28:34] goes pretty regularly.
[5:28:36] >> Like they usually get 11 or 12:00
[5:28:39] >> and more last year went till the
[5:28:42] morning.
[5:28:44] >> We've had at least a couple this year
[5:28:45] where we got out before 8, I think.
[5:28:48] Right.
[5:28:48] >> Yeah.
[5:28:49] >> That happens next meeting, right?
[5:28:52] >> Okay.
[5:28:55] I will plan the we'll plan the agenda to
[5:28:58] be
[5:28:59] >> not like we're headed into budget
[5:29:01] season. What are you worried about?
[5:29:03] [laughter]
[5:29:05] >> The next my first real meeting is the
[5:29:07] first day of school.
[5:29:08] >> Oh. Oh yeah, that's right. It's
[5:29:10] September.
[5:29:12] >> I'm just happy when I get out and I can
[5:29:14] go to
[5:29:14] >> CeCe's
[5:29:16] for my high schooler because he doesn't
[5:29:18] the second because they're only going to
[5:29:20] crush and go the first day.
[5:29:23] My daughter will sell because she'll be
[5:29:24] great.
[5:29:29] » I'm in the Eastern time zone, so
[5:29:31] technically it's 2 am here.
[5:29:35] >> I was curious where
[5:29:38] >> I hope you can sleep in tomorrow.
[5:29:40] >> I hope so, too. I don't know. We have
[5:29:42] plans tomorrow afternoon, but I don't
[5:29:44] know how early we have to get up. Um,
[5:29:45] I'm just going to play dub and sleep
[5:29:47] until they make me get up. [laughter]
[5:29:50] >> Plan now.
[5:30:12] » [laughter]
[5:30:13] >> Jeffy music
[5:30:17] playing elevator
[5:30:26] Did anyone know there's a lot?
[5:30:40] » What do you want me to speak? Yes.
[5:30:44] >> Yeah. makes it a little easier.
[5:30:50] » Just like if you don't know the process,
[5:30:51] that's all
[5:30:56] » and nice big there were a couple,
[5:31:01] you know, because I think it's just
[5:31:02] enough, you know,
[5:31:07] [clears throat]
[5:31:27] For candidate Conway, seven votes,
[5:31:30] candidate Braer, seven votes for
[5:31:32] candidate Blueert, eight. And for
[5:31:35] candidate Mo, two votes.
[5:31:41] love you being able to narrow down in
[5:31:43] the single vote to three candidates.
[5:31:45] Appreciate it. And u yeah, as we sort of
[5:31:48] prefet at the beginning, there will be
[5:31:50] other opportunities for for folks and we
[5:31:53] hope um we appreciated the work that M
[5:31:56] has done on by
[5:31:59] commission. So yeah,
[5:32:01] >> all right. So next on our agenda, we
[5:32:04] will go into the Duval City Council will
[5:32:07] now meet in closed session to discuss
[5:32:11] Um
[5:32:12] sorry
[5:32:16] for I apologize.
[5:32:18] >> Consider
[5:32:19] which one uh 42314
[5:32:23] gay which is to consider um
[5:32:27] >> should be in the back.
[5:32:28] >> Okay. No, I know. I'm looking at that
[5:32:29] but
[5:32:31] >> Oh,
[5:32:31] >> sorry.
[5:32:32] >> Yeah.
[5:32:38] » Oh, is this
[5:32:43] I think I thought it was
[5:32:44] >> section sessions and executive sessions.
[5:32:49] >> Okay. So, did you say that one more
[5:32:51] time?
[5:32:51] >> Um, it's uh 423144A
[5:32:55] to consider um bargaining proposals for
[5:32:58] collective bargaining.
[5:32:59] >> Okay. So consider RC. So under
[5:33:03] RCW42.30.144A
[5:33:08] considerations for collective
[5:33:10] bargaining.
[5:33:11] >> That's paraphrasing. Yes.
[5:33:12] >> Oh, do I need to say it exactly or is it
[5:33:14] okay? Okay. Um, how long do you want?
[5:33:16] >> 10 minutes.
[5:33:18] >> Council will be in exe or close session
[5:33:20] until 112.
[5:44:38] Council will return from close session
[5:44:41] at 2317.
[5:48:18] All right. So, Dubal City Council is
[5:48:20] returning from close session at 11:17
[5:48:23] p.m. Next up on our agenda is we're
[5:48:27] going to reopen public comment.
[5:48:31] There is nobody in the audience. Um, and
[5:48:33] we only accept in person commentary. So,
[5:48:35] we will go ahead and close public
[5:48:36] comment. Lastly, is there anything for
[5:48:38] the good of the order?
[5:48:41] Not hearing any.
[5:48:44] >> So, with that, we will adjourn the Deval
[5:48:46] City Council meeting at 11:17 p.m. Thank
[5:48:49] you everyone. Have a good night.