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» Theory,
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» Yes, I can hear you. Sorry.
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check.
>> I'm at home because I have a cold.

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» That should be good in the middle.
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» All right. Good evening. It is 6:01 and
I call to order the regular meeting of

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the Dubal Planning Commission for
Wednesday, August 26th, 2026.

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Uh, please rise and join me for the
pledge of allegiance

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to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it

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stands, one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all.

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» Okay. Item number two on our list here
is roll call. We have

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got vice chair William Chapel here. We
got Abasha.

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We have Erie Ericson Brown online.
>> We have Mala Matuba David.

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Um
that's it. Item number three, approval

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of the agenda. Um, are there any
additions, deletions, or changes to the

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order on the agenda?
The chair will entertain a motion to

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approve the the agenda.
I move to approve the agenda for August

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26, 2026 planning commission meeting as
present as presented. Do I have a

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second?
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moved and seconded. Um, see no further
discussion on this, I think we just move

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to pass the uh agenda. All those in
favor say I.

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» I. I.
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» The motion carries. Item four is the
good of the order. This is an

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opportunity for the commissioners to
raise announcements, scheduling matters,

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or items of interest. Uh, no action is
taken under this agenda under this item.

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Do any commissioners have anything for
the good of the order? Hearing

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nothing further, we'll move on. Item
number five is the approval of the

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minutes from the August 12th, 2026
planning commission meeting which are

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included in tonight's packet. Are there
any corrections to the minutes?

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Okay, there's no uh changes to the uh
minutes. The chair will entertain a

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motion to uh

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approve the uh August 12th uh minute
meeting minutes as presented. Do I have

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a second?
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that's been moved and seconded. And all
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sorry the minutes uh say I. All those
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The motion is to approve the minutes is
uh is is approved.

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Uh item number six, city staff
announcements.

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Uh we will now hear from staff.
>> Um baby, director of community and

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economic developments. Uh good evening
everybody. Um I would like to propose um

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a procedural item for the planning
commission. Sometimes there's confusions

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when motions are made and amendments are
made to motions. So any moving forward

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whenever we have an agenda item that
requires um an action by the planning

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commission um I propose that we have a a
word dock or a slide or something up on

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the screen where we can write out what
the motion is so everybody can be aware

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and um
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hearings where a motion's made. It's not
actually I've written down and then we

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have to go back and listen and then we
do minutes and no that wasn't what we

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meant. So I just to save us all the
confusion. So as a procedural item I

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this time raises great. Um
are there any other staff announcement?

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» Fantastic. Any other city staff
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» Item number seven is public comment.
This is time for members of the public

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to address the commission on any matter
within the commission's

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uh purview here. I
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» Hi. Um Jessica here. sure where you all
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» we're there. I mean, so
you're the stage is yours.

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» Okay.
>> I'm gonna run through the the rules

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here. We do have a cool little handy
guide over here for all the public

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comment rules. You must be present
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I'll do my notes.
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Um, everybody uh knows me as Boomer. Um,
we me and my wife have been living here

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um since 2020. We moved uh here during
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and um
we really love living in Dubal and in

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fact we live kind of here in Oldtown.
We're right here on Sherry Street and

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just above First Avenue.
which means we're on the front lines,

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our house.
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uh have a lot of concerns about the
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Public safety is a big one.
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if any of you do live here in Duval and
commute across the valley on a regular

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basis, you you know that we we flood
every year and we have very limited

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access.
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mornings to uh, Redmond Transit Center
and I take the bus to university and

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commute back home. Well, when we're
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the traffic because lots of really
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it remains open cuz this last year it
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Woodenville Dupal Road becomes the only
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emergency vehicles. That's for commuters
and it really gets backed up and it

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takes a long time to get back across
now. Um so that is just one point that I

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would like to make. So I um I would like
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projected population growth is there a
number that we're looking to absorb

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and that's you know um so I would like
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also um
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because that affects everybody. That
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you know, our first responders to be
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» I'll say something.
>> Uh, hi. Hey, my name is Joe Porter. I'm

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the other half. We um we moved here from
Isaqua after spending our whole lives in

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Miami, Florida, watching it get
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We have a really sour taste in our mouth
from those experiences. When I was born

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in South Miami, Florida, there were less
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millions of people there and the
development was pretty unchecked. So, I

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appreciate that you're having these
meetings to discuss plans and try to

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figure out how we can accommodate
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the main reason we moved here is because
we wanted to have a small town

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experience.
If if another several thousand people

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move here and we're talking about really
tall developments with super dense here

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in Oldtown and Uptown, it will not ever
be the same. And a lot of the reason

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people come here is because it's, and
you've all heard it, it's such a

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charming small town. We have a historic
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be preserved.
That's all I'm say. Thanks, Joe. Yeah.

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My name is Heather Morris. I've been a
proud Juval resident for 25 years.

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We've um considered this place
um our home. We raised our kids here.

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They've all grown up and gone. Um, and
this has always been such a safe town

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and it's harbored so many
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Um, one of the things that I'm very
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high density
population right in the in town, mixed

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use buildings that um
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the um
take away from the the businesses.

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Uh and and these types of buildings
cost way more to the business owners

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that are trying to run their business,
their small businesses in town, which

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are by the way like brick and mortar.
They're already just scraping by.

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So if we see any of these areas being
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um and replaced with
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um that could be that could drive out so
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this town is that we support local. So,
I'm just here on behalf of the support

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local voice and um and saying
um I don't think this is the best thing

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for for Duvall businesses.
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thank you for listening.

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» Hi.
>> Yeah. My uh my name is Pam Barton. I run

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a business here in town. I've been a
resident for over 30 years. Historic

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Duvall is our legacy. It's important.
Um, even as a business owner or not an

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owner but running a business, we haven't
even been to put a sign up because

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they've had regist you know strict
guidelines. Do not do not mess with

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historic downtown do all this is it's
special. It's you know it needs to be

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left alone. I understand I know you guys
are not trying to wreck town. We're just

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trying to figure out good options. Um
but as as somebody that's been in the

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community for a long time, it would be
devastating to see that gone. Um, that

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is why people come here. That is that is
why we are a charming town. We're

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getting ready to have the art wine walk.
We're trying to invite people from all

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other communities to come see our
community. Um, if we lose what we have,

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that's going to be a real big loss.
Thank you.

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» Thank you very much.

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Thanks for letting
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all speak again.

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» Okay. Um
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if you want. Yeah, man. We're all we
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» Thank you for
all being uh there's no one else further

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who wishes to speak. Uh public comment
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Uh item number eight is presentations.
We have two this evening. Comprehensive

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plan appeal which included the status
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density, heights and design standards.
Uh these are informal. So no action will

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be taken on any of these items tonight.
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we will start with item 8A which is the
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So um just to give a brief update we had
as our open house last week we had about

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around 10 people in attendance for that
uh some good discussion whatnot. I kind

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of described in the staff report some of
the feedback that we had which included

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some of the comments that we heard
tonight from citizens about uh concerns

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for emergency management traffic um and
preservation of character in the overall

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town area. So um so so that's kind of um
that's the gist of of what we we did so

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far. Um I have a brief presentation on
kind of the appeal and as we approach uh

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amendments to the comprehensive plan for
the um as part of our work plan with the

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state of basically what I'm going to do
is kind of outline uh what amendments

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that we need to um to make to that. So
this kind of tells you a little bit. We

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do have to um we're not looking at
substantial updates to the comprehensive

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plan that we have now. A lot of the
policy directives and everything are

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pretty much the same. Um I would say and
I'll kind of dive into I guess a little

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more detail of that as in general right
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element goes, because we are updating
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update our transportation analysis as
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evaluate our level of levels of service
and needs um to make sure that that's

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matching up. And um once we do complete
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Sound Regional Council for their
certification and review as well. So um

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that'll be included in the analysis. Uh
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will have some future land use map
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really actually for um
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our um interlandest map. We have some
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just it it can be clarified on on how
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kind of separated out into different
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mix zones now and residential zones. So,
we'll be kind of putting those together

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as well. Um and so I'm I'm being very
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back to you with like actual things you
can look at. So this is just kind of to

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give you an idea of the scope of work
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be also updating the designation
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um reorganizing the zone districts by
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sense in the future. But um an example
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it's designated for public use or
residential mix use uh light industrial

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and I feel like I'm creating one
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» residential neighborhood residential
moderate mixed use industrial public.

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» Yeah, those are in the subzones. So,
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just update the descriptions in this
land use element to basically make sense

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with the the zoning changes and whatnot
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the housing element, this is where most
of our work will be. Um the rest is just

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kind of like small updates, I would say,
in comparison to this. And I wouldn't

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say that it's uh
the amount of changes that we have to do

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is really related to incorporating our I
guess better incorporating our housing

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action plan that was done in 2023 into
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was it King County and commerce kind of

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highlighted some errors and issues is
that we didn't really incorporate the

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housing action plan fully into our
housing element. And so we had some gaps

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in terms of demonstrating compliance
with uh certain um policy directions

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from I guess countywide planning
policies and also

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um at least I believe commerce as well
on their guidance. Uh I wouldn't say

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that we didn't uh with this that we
didn't do what we were supposed to. We

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have we had our housing action plan
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just really didn't do the work to like
integrate that as well as we could have

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to show compliance. So, um some of this
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kind of go a little more in detail. So,
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so like I said, incorporation uh making
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clear uh a little more uh I guess it
sounds like just a little more breath to

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it, but it kind of almost is that. Um,
and so that's what we'll be doing there.

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We'll also be um or I just wanted to
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from this. We did a lot of work with
that housing action plan as part of

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community outreach. Uh it was passed by
council in 2023. So this is some work

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that's already been completed. So we did
do quite a a bit of outreach and uh

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analysis under that. So,
um, and I wanted to highlight too some

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of the things we heard from that process
as well, which are some of the main

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things that we're trying to, I guess,
solutions from it that we're trying to

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incorporate into the housing element.
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and here's just kind of a little bit of
some uh basic data from there that's

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kind of interesting that we'll be
including um I guess into the housing

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element as well. It just kind of
highlights some of the the main issues

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or challenges that we're facing in the
community with regards to housing. So,

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you can see medium home prices is pretty
behind Duval. So this is why it's kind

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of I guess come to the attention of
other agencies valid being able to um

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accommodate a variety of uh economic
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just just kind of to further that uh as

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far as what that element needs to
address, these are kind of the main

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themes here. So, um,
what we have as far as, um, and I'll

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just kind of jump to because

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sorry, I'm getting a little out of
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and part of what we've been doing with
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lot implementing a lot of these policies
when it comes to the housing types or

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special needs housing. And um yeah, so
that's and then also displacement with

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things like the um mobile home park
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so what what I have listed here are some
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the next few slides uh the highlighted
countywide planning policies that King

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County King County Housing Committee uh
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Yeah. So, um,
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we really have to identify um any or at
least better explain uh historical

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barriers in Duval over time of um to
housing and some of the um

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I guess uh discriminatory practices that
may have occurred in the past. I will

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say from our housing action plan that
did do an analysis of this. Uh they used

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um state and King County records and
other sources to um analyze for history

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of redlinining and other types of
discriminatory practices, but they uh

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they didn't find anything necessarily
specific to Dubal. And it doesn't mean

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that that wasn't something that happened
in Dubal. But it means that uh as far as

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we can find through our accessible
sources, we can't find at the at this

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time. But there are things in terms of
policies that we can recognize that

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maybe there have been barriers to
housing in the community.

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So um some of the the goals that we'll
be looking at to incorporate that uh the

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findings from the housing action plan
will be uh these are some of the goals

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that we'll be trying to achieve and
we'll have some implementation

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directives for to try to address and um
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comprehensive plan is it's a policy
document it's meant to be broad a little

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more generic and uh not as specific code
is where we get uh specific into

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implementation and things but uh this
gives uh staff in the city and even

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planning commission a directive of what
kind of the city's um goals and policies

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are how they want to address certain
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Uh and then just to kind of u explain
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I said, this is kind of, uh, the overall
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policies with relation to allowing
people a variety of housing types or

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things like an ADU or or

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housing.
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and then wanted to mention as well, so
like I said, most of the comprehensive

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plan is uh pretty much going to be the
same. We're really incorporating a lot

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of the existing data in a more clear and
functional way that we can um get

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through to compliance. We all are so
also updating the uh land capacity

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analysis to make sure that uh before we
were showing a gap or a deficit in

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housing that we were planning for which
is really a no no go um you do have to

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have a solution for how you're going to
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um,
and so, uh, going forward when we bring

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drafts to the planning commission, uh,
these are kind of the main things that

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we're looking for from you is really,
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an outline of the housing action plan
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and then also the draft updates that
we're doing and try to connect those for

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you so that it's a little more clear
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into the the copyright plan update. So,
um yeah, just making sure that um

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do you think that those uh what we're
the changes that we are making are clear

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enough to um I guess implement that
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and just further steps for that. So,
we'll continue through planning

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commission review. Uh we're still
working through some initial um

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revisions for that update. Uh we should
have I believe by next meeting a draft

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available for you to uh dig into and
take a look at and uh feel free to reach

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out and ask any questions. Uh happy to
make staff hours available and whatnot.

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So uh we'll also be initiating the
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Yeah. And that's that's it.
>> Okay. Thank you, Morgan. Any questions

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from commission?

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» Okay. So, uh next next is the title 14
discussion regarding density and

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heights. We will now hear from city
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» Can you reopen
the one that's in the folder the plan?

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Uh, would you hear me?
>> Sorry. Beating that hearing. My

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apologies.
>> Yes.

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» Yeah, it's still refresh.
>> No, we did. I I had a typo.

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So, um, oh wait, not the design
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title 14.
We appreciate your patience as we work

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Sorry. Here we go.

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» Yay. All right. So, this is a
presentation that I gave last week at

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city council. Um, so I want to present
it to the planning commission. Uh, next

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slide, please. Um, I can't remember who
all I've given this spiel to, so if

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you've heard it already, you get through
it again. Um when the King County land

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capacity calculations were done, it was
really looking at um the analogy we came

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up with is that each property is like a
passenger van. The size of the property

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along with its setbacks um and other
dimensional restrictions um create the

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size of the the passenger van. And
however many seats you cram into that

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passenger van is its uh its density, its
capacity. So what we have to do with

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these capacity analysis is to show that
we can cram all these little airplane

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seats into um these passenger vans. But
that doesn't mean anyone would actually

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want to. Someone could do big cushion
captain chairs

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within that passenger van. Um
and that's allowed and that's fine. Uh

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we just have to show the capacity is
there for smaller seats even if it's not

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feasible for someone to
actually build it because of land

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economics or demand or whatever it is.
We just have to show it's possible. So

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that's where the capacity is. So it
really is sort of just doing a

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mathematical exercise to show that those
little seats could fit if anyone ever

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really really wanted to even though they
might not. So that's where we're at with

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the the when we talk about the capacity
numbers. Next slide please.

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so when the capacity analysis was done
by Burke back in December um so there's

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a memo that we keep referring to the
Burke memo um where they had to do math

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to show basic capacity and they had to
assume a number they had to use a number

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to do math. Um and so the number that
they used for uh the zoning districts

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was 20 30 17 17 and 21 dwelling units
per acre to show the math. And with

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those numbers it show that we have
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So we don't need to have minimums in
there to show that that capacity is

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within that passenger pan. the capacity
is there whether or not we have those

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bookends on these numbers. So we went
back through the Burke memo. Um we went

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back through the
um the work that had been sent to the

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consultant BHC that did our initial
drafts written up the initial drafts of

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the title 14 updates.
It turned out they had used the numbers

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from the calculations to that they
thought they needed to do at the minimum

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densities, but they weren't needed. So,
the city engineer who's much better at

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math than I am, we went through all the
numbers and she was able to verify and

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we got confirmation that we don't need
to have density minimums in the MT

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Midtown, Oldtown, Uptown, and commercial
zoning districts. So, we are proposing

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that those numbers come out and there's
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wants to build something, they can.
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» Um, and so, and because Oldtown is such
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the city,
we don't need to have higher building

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heights to meet our land use capacity.
So, we are proposing when we presented

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to council, hey council, why don't we
just not change the height in Oldtown

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and only do slight building height
adjustments for Midtown and Uptown and

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then um because commercial zoning
district is along the more southern

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portion of um Main Street and then onto
Big Rock Road, that's where it's more

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appropriate to have u mixeduse
development. where you can have um like

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a solid um well-designed commercial
height tenant space with, you know,

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three floors above it. Um and and but
that's all contained within like one

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portion of town. It's not going into the
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Um and it's consolidated. Um so that was
a discussion that we had at city

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council. Um so this is something that's
being noodled on. I would like you guys

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to noodle on it also. Um, and if
there's,

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you know,
if planning commission wants to have any

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discussion about these numbers, uh, we
may we may do so, but we're looking to

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not um make drastic changes
um to those zoning districts and

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effectively no changes to Oldtown. Next
slide, please.

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So the only change that we were looking
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minimum lot size from 2500 ft to zero.
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common
in general. Um and I I checked with all

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of our neighboring jurisdictions. So
Monroe, Carnation,

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Northbend, um Isiqua, Redmond, none of
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bought the Langville. I checked a lot of
zoning uh ordinances in non-residential

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zoning districts. There's not a minimum
lot size. There are minimum lot

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dimensions. The 25 ft or the minimum lot
width that is fairly common as a minimum

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um but not as a lot size. So this would
be fairly standard. And so we were only

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proposing this as a way for because
these older buildings are expensive to

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maintain.
Um, the idea was to provide as much

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flexibility to those historic building
property owners if there's something

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that they could sell off to their
neighbor, do a boundary line adjustment,

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do a whatever, so that they can get some
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money out of land that they're not using
so that way they can help maintain and

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preserve their buildings. That was the
idea behind changing that one um part of

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the of the development standards for
Oldtown. Next slide, please.

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And then as we were doing this,
double-checking all the math, um we

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looked at the residential densities
because there had been some questions

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about um initial drafts had R8 with a
maximum density of 15,

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which I didn't really understand when I
first got here, but I had sort of

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trusted what the consultant had done,
but we decided to double check

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everything anyways and decided, oh, we
don't need those higher numbers, the the

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eight dwelling units per acre to match
the zoning district. That was what was

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in the calculations done by Burke when
they did the land use capacity. So we

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brought all of those um down to reflect
the zoning district. And so for

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residential zoning districts like this,
the common practice is that the number

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reflects the maximum density allowed
within that zone. So that's what we have

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um here. And so this is what staff is uh
is now recommending um and is going to

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going to be presented
formally in writing to plan to city

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council next week. Um
so please watch attend checkout agendas.

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Um and there will be more discussions
next Tuesday. Um

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no that's okay. Go to the next go to the
next slide. So this is the slide that

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I've I've brought before at least city
council. I don't know if you have I

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shown you guys this slide.
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Duval
regulates and measures height.

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Um
uh on a hill. We're on a hill. We're on

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a we're on a hilly island. Um so on the
left is Duvall.

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We I and I don't know why our code is
written this way, but we measure to the

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eve of the building and then you can
have a sloped roof up from there. So in

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this
illustrated diagram, I took an imaginary

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property on a slope, put in some
property lines, and then the same height

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limit. It doesn't really matter what the
number is, but I was going for what

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would look like 35 ft. Um, with a a you
know

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two and a half story building um what
would that look like? So left is Duvall.

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Some cities go in the middle. Some
cities take the average elevation of

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where a building is placed and then they
go up from there to their height limit

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and then the height limit is a
horizontal plane from there. And so you

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can end up with something that's kind of
boxy on the lower hill side.

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Some communities want that and that's
fine for them. Um on the right is the

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hype limit and other cities do this
where you basically measure along a

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slope and then that sort of requires um
a a building to be more within the

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topography. Um
I am more used to the rightmost height

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measurements.
These height regulations have been

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something that staff has sort of kicked
around and updating but required as part

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of this code work. But I do feel like
there would be a lot of value for city

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council to consider directing staff to
have us do this work. Um, so

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I'm going to be bringing this up again
to city council and asking them if they

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want to consider as soon as we have to
get through all these mandated code

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amendments before the end of the year.
So as soon as we get through these,

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could I please start on this so that way
it's all, you know, as close together as

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possible. Um, so I kind of want just
want to give you a heads up. Um, and

422
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:59,920
whenever we get to a public hearing,
whenever we do finally get to a

423
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:04,000
recommendation,
you could, if you want, if you have it

424
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:08,240
as part of motion and we can verify it
in writing that

425
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:13,119
uh
you could in theory say the planning

426
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:18,480
commission recommends adoption of this
ordinance of whatever and also for city

427
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:24,000
council to direct staff to do ABC
subsequently.

428
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:29,119
if planning commission so uh so I'm
planting the seed.

429
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:34,440
Um next slide.
So if planning commission has any

430
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,440
questions

431
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:40,560
if you go back few slides
>> to which one?

432
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:46,400
» Uh yeah this one. Wait. Um
>> can you go one more?

433
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:51,119
» One more. Sorry. Yeah this one. Okay. So
um what I wanted to see is I know you're

434
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:55,920
this is the proposed right. So can we
also see what is current? I think that

435
00:40:53,599 --> 00:41:00,079
was one of the asked during our workshop
>> the frame. Uh yeah like what do we have

436
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:04,240
currently
>> currently what do we have

437
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:08,560
» and if somebody is going to make a
change you know like if you're proposing

438
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:11,680
like for example if you take the you
remember how I think I don't know I

439
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:16,000
forgot the name of the person who was
asking this

440
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:20,079
» but if you're changing from R4 to R8
>> you know can we give an example of what

441
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:23,839
an R4 will look like
>> and then what do we currently have and

442
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:28,160
then what is it going to
>> so there there was a request for

443
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:31,280
renderings of each iteration of what's
allowed now and each iteration of what

444
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,440
would be allowed under the proposed
regulations.

445
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:40,319
» Yeah.
>> Um staff doesn't have this

446
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:45,599
I don't think we have we don't have
proper design software. It's expensive

447
00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:51,280
» and it's time consuming
>> to do all of those. I would love to have

448
00:41:48,319 --> 00:41:55,200
» Yeah. But at least for the main street.
>> Oh, but but for for Oldtown, if we're

449
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:58,000
not proposing to change Oldtown, then
there's nothing.

450
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:03,760
» It would be the same picture.
>> So So with So if

451
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:06,319
» the current standards are on there, so
>> we'll go to the next the next slide has

452
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,839
the
>> Yeah.

453
00:42:07,359 --> 00:42:12,400
» Um so for Oldtown specifically,
>> yeah,

454
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:16,800
» these are all existing in the middle and
then proposed on the right. So nothing

455
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:20,560
would be changing. So those rendering
pictures of what's possible would be the

456
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:24,800
city.
>> Yeah.

457
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:29,040
» I'm just curious like the minimum lot
size.

458
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:35,079
» That was a question.
You have a minimum lot to exist that

459
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:35,079
subscribes

460
00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:48,079
that is the access requirements because
each lot to be a legal lot you have to

461
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:53,040
have access to that lot. And so that's
what really drives that 25 ft of at

462
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:57,359
least having some kind of minimum there
for that. And that that's my

463
00:42:55,119 --> 00:43:04,000
understanding of why we have that. Um
and and the idea what's most likely um

464
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:09,599
to happen because because the lots in
Oldtown are very small. Um and the 25 ft

465
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:16,000
reflects the historic loting pattern
from 1911

466
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:21,200
or when whenever the the the first class
for for downtown Dubal were created were

467
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:25,359
25 wide lost. So that's sort of a even a
historic number that has always been

468
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:28,960
there. Um,
so, so what would be most likely to

469
00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:35,359
happen is that you would have two
adjacent properties and if you have an

470
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:41,040
existing older building with no parking
and nothing else, it's already legal

471
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:46,480
non-conforming. So, if you have a back
portion of your lot that you're not

472
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:51,440
using and it's already not parking, to
not have that property

473
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:55,440
doesn't put your building anymore out of
conformant because your building's

474
00:43:53,520 --> 00:44:01,040
already grandfathered.
But if you have a property next to you

475
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:05,599
that wants to maybe put in some parking
or maybe do a, you know, an outside

476
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:12,720
patio or
or do an addition or do a little um

477
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:16,640
there's been chatter about having um
better places to have like food truck

478
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:21,200
gatherings.
having that sort of ability where it

479
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:26,240
wouldn't be really um as much of lot
splits as just boundary line adjustments

480
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:31,119
so that properties could shift to
adjacent owners and that but whomever

481
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:37,440
has the the older buildings you still
have to meet building code. So, if you

482
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:42,000
have a historic or an older building and
you want to do a boundary line

483
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:46,560
adjustment to sell some part of your
property to your neighbor, you still

484
00:44:44,319 --> 00:44:50,960
have to have a your the new property
line a minimum distance away from the

485
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:55,040
building depending on the construction
of the building for fire safety

486
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:58,480
purposes. So, there's still those sort
of regulations that would come into

487
00:44:56,720 --> 00:45:03,280
effect. So, it's not like something
would be be on a property line all the

488
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:09,520
way around. So that wouldn't quite
happen, but it just wouldn't be less

489
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:11,920
grandfathered in than it already is. Am
I

490
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:21,760
» commercial?
>> Um, Oldtown is mixed. What Oldtown what

491
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:26,880
we are proposing is commercial and then
um residential would be allowed above

492
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:32,960
ground floor commercial.
Um, so if someone wanted to have like an

493
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:41,040
apartment over their shop or or
whatever, that would still be allowable.

494
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:43,520
» Yeah. You have to meet the 25 or the 35.
>> I mean, it seems like the minimum there

495
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,760
you get.
>> Well, if you if you already have an

496
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:50,079
existing lot, you don't have to worry
about your lot. But

497
00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:54,000
» this is just if you're changing lot
boundaries.

498
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:56,880
» Yeah.
But the mass on building height would be

499
00:45:55,440 --> 00:46:00,119
still be 35 ft.
>> Oh, sure.

500
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:11,359
» There is
just wonder to do that.

501
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:15,280
You got a minimum on that width and Oh,
it's just width and height. Okay. Okay.

502
00:46:13,359 --> 00:46:21,680
So, I was thinking depth, too. I'm like,
well, then you're going to have to be at

503
00:46:17,359 --> 00:46:27,640
least 875 ft or so square feet. But I
was reading that height is depth.

504
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:27,640
» Oh, okay. Okay. Gotcha.

505
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:40,240
» Yeah.
>> Anything else from staff?

506
00:46:34,319 --> 00:46:44,160
» No. No. I just think um uh the none is
what's existing.

507
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:49,359
Just clarify. The none is what's
existing and the 35 ft is what's

508
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:51,920
existing. So we're proposing keeping
>> get rid of the pink.

509
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,920
» Yeah.
um

510
00:46:55,040 --> 00:47:04,400
keep 35 in old town, do uh small
increases to empty UT and then 10 ft in

511
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:07,599
the commercial
but and yeah and then city council will

512
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:13,200
be discussing this further and then
hopefully in the near future

513
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:17,440
um we'll finally have everything done
enough

514
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:22,480
to after some more discussion with title
public hearing but that's still going to

515
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:22,480
be couple months

516
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:28,640
Any other questions?
Okay.

517
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:32,839
Um,
is the design stand?

518
00:47:35,359 --> 00:47:38,359
» Okay.

519
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:44,680
» I don't need the procedural
uh switch.

520
00:47:48,880 --> 00:48:02,560
Okay. So um in our very lengthy title 14
we have a chapter on design standards.

521
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:08,560
So development standards are limitations
of the physical placement of a structure

522
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:12,560
building on a on a property how tall how
big if there's a flurry ratio if there's

523
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:17,680
a limit to imperous surface things like
that. So it's what is the bulletin

524
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:22,800
placement of the building. The design
standards are what does it look like?

525
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:30,000
How does it interact with the public
interface? Um does it have articulation?

526
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:36,000
Um or is it allowed by right to be ugly?
We've all not allowed our right to be

527
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:40,240
ugly. Um so uh next slide please. So
there was a Senate bill that was passed

528
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:46,000
last year that said hey cities I'm
paraphrasing. Hey cities if you have

529
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:49,839
design guidelines they can no longer be
guidelines. They need to be standard.

530
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:54,640
They need to be objective. And someone
needs to be able to read them and say,

531
00:48:51,680 --> 00:49:00,880
"Yes, I meet the standard or no, I do
not." So, it has to be clear and

532
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:05,280
objective. And our current
regulations are more like guidelines and

533
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:09,760
it says you should do this or you should
do that. And so, we're taking all the

534
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:15,839
should out. Although, please look in the
draft, see if we missed any. Um,

535
00:49:13,359 --> 00:49:20,079
take the should out. do that. You must
have articulation. You must have

536
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:25,760
whatever sloping for your roof. You must
have windows. Fenestration is a fancy

537
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:32,880
word for window. To defenistenate does
not mean to remove windows.

538
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:40,640
So just um so so it has to be objective
and it has to be done now. We have to do

539
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:47,040
this this year. Um next slide please.
So the approach we did um so words are

540
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:52,800
important. We now will have standards
and not guidelines.

541
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:57,520
The current chapter is a little
disorganized. It's a little messy and

542
00:49:54,960 --> 00:50:01,200
it's a little long-winded.
So we're going to be reorganizing it.

543
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:07,280
We're going to try and make it more
concise, easier to implement, easier to

544
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:15,440
have applicants understand it, easier
for staff to find conformance

545
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:21,200
um with uh this code. Um, and also to
more clearly set up expectations of

546
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:27,599
developers because I don't know how many
times a developer has come in with their

547
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:33,280
little napkin sketch that does not look
fantastic and they claim like, "Oh, but

548
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:36,800
I thought this is what you wanted." No.
So, we're going to have lots of

549
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:42,720
illustrations to establish what the
community actually wants so that they

550
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:49,079
can't claim they didn't know unless
they're legally blind, they're going to

551
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,079
know. So, that's that's the goal.

552
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:57,119
So, um
there's illustrations that are going to

553
00:50:54,800 --> 00:51:02,559
be throughout this chapter. So, we're
first going to be um having as as most

554
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:08,400
of you as most of you can see in the
draft um there's building types by

555
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:15,280
zoning district like what the intended
types are and then after that we have um

556
00:51:13,359 --> 00:51:19,680
a reference to the development
standards. So, and there is caveat

557
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:24,640
language that anything that's in the
other development standards chapter if

558
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:29,440
there's a conflict that information
prevails. um but to give people an

559
00:51:27,359 --> 00:51:33,680
understanding of where exactly are these
setbacks and how would you place

560
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:37,599
something on a site. We're trying to
spoon feed what we want as best as

561
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:44,240
possible.
And then also further examples within

562
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:49,359
the design standards uh sections of what
we mean by articulation and setting

563
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:55,040
things back and what we want for dormers
and what we want for breaking up the

564
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:58,559
facade of a building. So, as many
pictures as we can cram into this thing.

565
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:02,319
And we have confirmed we can't do color
photos or color pictures. So, these

566
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:06,480
won't all be black and white. So, we're
very excited about that because we're

567
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:14,640
dorky. We like colors and municipal
codes. Next slide, please.

568
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:20,960
So, um a part of these design standards
are how they are administered,

569
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:24,960
when do they apply, what is exempt.
So, you don't have to answer right now,

570
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:30,880
but if you could please get back to me
in the next week or so, so that way we

571
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:34,800
can I can modify these things. Um, is
when

572
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:38,160
when are they applicable? We're saying
right now we're saying all new

573
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:41,599
development, which includes single
family. [clears throat]

574
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:46,000
» If that feels like overreach that maybe
single family shouldn't be under these

575
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:52,000
regulations,
give me feedback. Um, should this only

576
00:52:49,359 --> 00:52:58,640
apply in certain zoning districts? Maybe
it doesn't apply to R4, R six, and R8.

577
00:52:55,040 --> 00:53:02,640
That's an option. Um, right now we we
decided to throw all the spaghetti on

578
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:08,640
the wall. So, right now, we have it
drafted to apply to everything. Um,

579
00:53:05,839 --> 00:53:13,440
there are some exemptions if if you're
remodeling the inside of your house,

580
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:17,119
like you're redoing your kitchen. I
don't I don't want to have to do design

581
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:20,720
standards for your kitchen remodel. So,
if it's inside, I don't want to have to

582
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:25,040
worry about it. I'm sure staff also
doesn't want to have to worry about it.

583
00:53:21,839 --> 00:53:30,880
And then if you're doing any exterior
replacement in kind repairs, if it

584
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:34,880
already looks a certain way and it's
still going to look the same way, but

585
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:37,839
it's better, newer materials,
that's fine. I'm not going to have

586
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:44,160
someone redesign their house because
they need to do new sighting. Um

587
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:51,280
so
so these considerations for you um

588
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:59,440
as you as you read through the draft let
me know um next slide please.

589
00:53:54,960 --> 00:54:03,040
So more administration right now there's
a process called departure requests. So

590
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:11,280
we talked about them with some of the
design review items and that's where the

591
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:16,559
director can wave design requirements if
certain criteria are met which sounds

592
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:22,079
good on paper because you can't you
can't for cast every single possible

593
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:27,440
project that might come in the door but
right now there is no appeal process.

594
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:35,440
There's no
checks or balances to it. I like having

595
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:40,559
checks and balances on me. And so,
do you want to keep you can keep the

596
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:44,880
process as is? And you could trust me,
I'm human. I'm also not immortal. I'm

597
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:49,280
not going to be here alive forever. So,
I don't know what the next person's

598
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:55,920
going to be like. Um, you can keep the
the current process and I'll just deal

599
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:59,599
with it. That's fine. It's my job. Um or
it could be the design review board

600
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:04,000
makes a decision that and staff makes a
recommendation to you. It could be I

601
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:12,240
make an administrative decision and it's
appealable to the design review board.

602
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:18,240
Um so these are questions I would like
answers to. How involved do you want to

603
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:21,520
be? Do you just want it to be on appeal
because something wasn't reasonable and

604
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:28,040
appealable by the applicant? Appealable
by the public? It wouldn't matter.

605
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:28,040
Um, next slide, please.

606
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:36,640
And
in doing this work,

607
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:42,000
I love how complicated all of this gets.
There were sections in our permit

608
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:47,040
processing chapter that talked about
design review

609
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:50,400
um that I learned about today or
yesterday.

610
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:53,520
that we have different types of design
review.

611
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:57,520
That type one and two land use
applications are reviewed

612
00:55:54,720 --> 00:56:02,720
administratively. Whereas type threes
which are subdivisions, site uh site

613
00:56:00,799 --> 00:56:08,720
plan, site,
>> conditional use permits, those are type

614
00:56:04,799 --> 00:56:14,000
threes. They come to planning commission
and those would need to be the design

615
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:18,960
review board would then act on the the
design of those buildings.

616
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:25,040
Um
this language is not very clear

617
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:31,079
about
um any appeal like should there be

618
00:56:31,839 --> 00:56:36,200
um so

619
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:45,440
this isn't something that's in our
policy window to change but with a

620
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:49,680
recommendation to city council when
these code amendments come through could

621
00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:54,160
be a recommendation of city council
should also direct staff to clean this

622
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:58,880
up
um if the planning commission. Uh next

623
00:56:56,799 --> 00:57:03,760
slide please.
So if you could give me feedback on the

624
00:57:01,839 --> 00:57:07,440
design standards
on the questions that we asked and we

625
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:14,559
can email those slides so that you don't
have to use your photographic memory. um

626
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:18,640
it would be greatly appreciated and just
like all the other things that we have

627
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:22,720
to get done by the end of the year. Um,
this item will be presented to city

628
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:26,559
council next week and then through
September and October, we're going to

629
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:33,920
try to work out the wrinkles and then
have it uh ready to go for adoption

630
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:38,160
November trying to trying to get things
adopted before December so that we have

631
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:42,240
a little bit of cushion and it's not so
it's at the 10th hour instead of the

632
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:45,640
11th. So,
um, next slide

633
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,359
and I'm here for any questions.

634
00:57:52,240 --> 00:58:00,559
Um, sorry. I I think the main one from
there that we need direction on is the

635
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:05,680
thing about the design departures.
That's a that's a big one for staff.

636
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:10,720
Yes. because it is it's one that we see
a concern with in our current code that

637
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:15,599
we would like to or we think plan
commission should should maybe have be

638
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:20,640
more involved in that process just as
part of our recommendation after but

639
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:28,359
what we know like applicants asked for
in that process to have some kind of

640
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:28,359
oversight over that that's what

641
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:38,160
» yeah can you say a little more about the
pros and cons of like how we're doing it

642
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:42,960
now and maybe what you're ask I'm I
think I'm a little lo confused about

643
00:58:39,839 --> 00:58:48,880
what the question is.
So with departure request,

644
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:57,920
if an applicant feels that they can't
meet um some component of the design

645
00:58:53,040 --> 00:59:04,000
standards, they only want their foot
their commercial facade to have 50%

646
00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:07,839
windows instead of 60% windows.
um if it's just because they don't want

647
00:59:06,319 --> 00:59:14,160
to
versus they can't because this is the

648
00:59:10,799 --> 00:59:20,400
only place where they can put um an
elevator for ADA requirements

649
00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:28,559
like those are different reasons to not
meet that standard. So, if it's um

650
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:33,839
so if it's a quote unquote good reason,
that feels reasonable. But if it's not,

651
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:37,200
they just don't want to and I I agree
and I'm like, "Okay, you don't want to.

652
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:42,400
No problem. Let me just sign that off."
There's no there's no one that says,

653
00:59:39,359 --> 00:59:48,640
"Hey, they didn't have a good reason.
You need to reconsider that." So that's

654
00:59:45,359 --> 00:59:55,359
why staff right now it's just under
staff and we can have all of these

655
00:59:51,760 --> 01:00:00,079
really great regulations on design and
if the director just waves away all of

656
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:05,680
those requirements
um then what's the point of those of

657
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:10,160
those regulations? So having putting
some more checks and balances I I'm

658
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:14,720
basically trying to take away power
that's been assigned to my position.

659
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:21,040
» Yeah. And I I can clarify maybe a little
bit too because in the past so we we

660
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:28,000
typically include the departure requests
that are recommended in our staff report

661
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:33,599
when you are design review board. So
we're putting the departure request in

662
01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:37,359
the staff report
but

663
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:42,720
technically that is not a planning
commission decision now it's a director

664
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:48,400
decision. So, us putting in the
departure request

665
01:00:44,799 --> 01:00:52,240
is basically simply a courtesy or um
kind offormational

666
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:55,599
moment.
That make a little more sense to me.

667
01:00:54,079 --> 01:01:01,839
» Yeah. If it's okay for me to ask a
follow-up question. Um how often is this

668
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:08,880
happening? Is this like every week or is
this like a couple times a year?

669
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:12,160
So we've we've since I started March
30th, we've only had two projects come

670
01:01:10,799 --> 01:01:17,440
forward to the planning commission and
the design review board. So we have

671
01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:20,240
Acres of Diamond and the Jane Society.
Um did Acres of Diamond have departure

672
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,880
requests?
>> Yeah.

673
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:26,480
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

674
01:01:24,319 --> 01:01:32,640
And it's it's pretty common for uh
projects to have departure requests um

675
01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:36,720
for a variety of reasons.
>> There's typically something that it

676
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:42,640
makes it difficult for them to meet
every single design guideline. So I I do

677
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:49,359
agree that it's good to have something
that's a relief valve,

678
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:55,040
but the way it's administered so that
the director, you know, doesn't lose

679
01:01:51,280 --> 01:02:00,880
their mind and like has no standards,
right? Like I don't I don't want that

680
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:06,880
for the city. Um,
so

681
01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:12,319
that's where that's why we want um the
the planning commission to to consider

682
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:15,920
this. Um, but if you think it's working
fine and

683
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:22,000
» well, if it's okay, I'm no, I can't
really see if I'm getting called on or

684
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:27,920
not, but my my the things I think um
maybe are in like the tradeoffs that I

685
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:33,200
could imagine here are just a lot more
meetings that the applicant has to

686
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:38,640
attend with all of their design staff.
And I guess I'm interested in making

687
01:02:36,319 --> 01:02:45,760
sure we're not adding unnecessary cost
to potential especially like affordable

688
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:50,160
housing projects in this city. So that
sounds to me like while we might want to

689
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:54,880
avoid some really ugly things and I
agree with that, I also don't want there

690
01:02:52,480 --> 01:03:01,480
to be a bunch of unnecessary process. So
those are my comments and you can answer

691
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:01,480
if you want to or not.

692
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:10,640
Um, okay. Cool. Yeah, I I agree with
what you're saying. Uh,

693
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:17,200
time is money and when you're building
something. So, I agree. Well,

694
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:26,079
» I completely agree with what uh Terry
was saying as well. Um, and my current

695
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:29,920
I'm also agreeing with Dr. Brady and I
but I don't really have a a problem with

696
01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:34,480
the way we're doing it now. My biggest
problem, well my biggest problem is

697
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:39,119
someone that is not you.
>> You know the opposite problem. Someone

698
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:42,960
who doesn't approve anything represent
absolutely not. And we don't we're not

699
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:51,359
have no flexibility and then there's no
people. That's much more troublesome to

700
01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:55,520
me. Um but to have an applicant um
you know me I want to see the world's

701
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:58,720
gone. So but so to have an applicant
have to go through another step I don't

702
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:05,760
want to avoid either. But I also don't
want um it siloed in in the in the in

703
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:09,359
the stack. So an option would be if
there is something that goes through

704
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:14,240
administrative review could be the
decision of the director that could then

705
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:19,119
be appealed to the design review board
and then for anything that would be

706
01:04:16,799 --> 01:04:22,880
decided on by the design review board
the staff could make a recommendation on

707
01:04:21,359 --> 01:04:27,680
the department
>> and that way it shouldn't most of the

708
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:31,039
time probably would not add more product
>> and they can and the applicant could

709
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:38,000
choose to appeal it or not.
>> Exactly. So they can it would be so be

710
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:42,799
appealed based on the rules or and you'd
still you still could approve request if

711
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:46,799
you wanted to or recommend approval
>> right

712
01:04:43,359 --> 01:04:51,039
» but uh if you said no you can't have it
you don't want you know you have to have

713
01:04:48,319 --> 01:04:56,079
60% windows let's say you say example
and uh you and they say no I need to be

714
01:04:53,359 --> 01:05:00,720
50% you say no this is what it is they
can then choose to appeal or not they

715
01:04:58,319 --> 01:05:03,039
can choose to go forward with the with
Right.

716
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:09,440
» And and so if it's a recommendation
where then staff said, "I don't

717
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:13,839
recommend this 50%." Um but at the
design and review board, then the the

718
01:05:11,359 --> 01:05:19,680
planning commission could decide we're
fine with the 50%. Or we're, you know,

719
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:24,160
and and then the planning commission as
design review board could be the

720
01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:32,319
ultimate. Would in that case of of a
denial and an appeal, would the um city

721
01:05:28,319 --> 01:05:38,319
act as a the prosecuting side or would
you provide a defense and a rebuttal or

722
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:41,520
would it be an applicant coming to us
this is what I would like to do?

723
01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:46,319
» So it would be so anything that would
need to go through the design review

724
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:52,319
board. Oh, so if it's an administrative
review and and

725
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:56,400
um staff recommends or or you know
approves some and not others and the

726
01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:59,920
applicant wants those others approved
then they decide to come to the appeal

727
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:03,520
review board then staff would be saying
we we approved these because of these

728
01:06:01,839 --> 01:06:08,480
reasons. We didn't approve these because
of these reasons. The applicant as

729
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:13,920
appellent could then state their case
and then the planning commission could

730
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:20,880
decide as they seek it.
Well, we did have a GB model like sorry

731
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:26,240
put it like a limit on process that you
should take and the number of times an

732
01:06:22,799 --> 01:06:32,559
hour get
>> um I

733
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:36,559
I don't think we would need to limit
>> my point is like we an applicant should

734
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:43,359
not be like left hanging they don't get
an answer but like the process itself is

735
01:06:39,039 --> 01:06:48,799
like take so much time that extendable.
>> So if an applicant and the staff are at

736
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:54,240
an impass
um

737
01:06:50,319 --> 01:06:58,079
and because right now if if that says no
then

738
01:06:55,760 --> 01:07:02,319
um the applicant might try something
else and then staff says no that we

739
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:08,000
might try something else. Whereas if
there was an appeal to the planning

740
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:11,839
commission/design review board, then all
of it would be brought and then that

741
01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:16,400
decision would be made by the planning
commission

742
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:19,359
and it's it's it would be your decision.
That's fine. I would support whatever

743
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:26,160
you approve and then we would just make
sure it gets implemented. Um so it in so

744
01:07:24,319 --> 01:07:29,599
both ways like the applicant could say I
want to go right now to the design

745
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:33,599
review board. It's what I have. Let's
go. Okay, that's your due process. Let

746
01:07:31,839 --> 01:07:38,319
go and then we'd be here for you to make
a decision and then we could finish up

747
01:07:35,839 --> 01:07:43,839
with, you know, the other nuts and bolts
of a project to get it through.

748
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:49,760
» Isn't that isn't there a new state
mandate uh saying that there's a maximum

749
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:55,119
number or maximum length of time
>> there are feature? So that would also

750
01:07:52,480 --> 01:08:00,160
apply to these applications. If there's
mutual agreement by the staff uh by the

751
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:04,960
city and the applicant to have
additional time, that's that's fine. And

752
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:14,799
then it it's whatever the time ended up
being. Um the that shot clock is to a

753
01:08:10,319 --> 01:08:19,199
decision. So if they're
so if an applicant comes in with an

754
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:23,600
application where they are not
conforming with whatever standards,

755
01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:30,239
design standards, development standards,
use conditions, excuse me. Um

756
01:08:27,759 --> 01:08:32,960
and we keep going back and forth. You
need to update this. You need to change

757
01:08:31,679 --> 01:08:37,279
this. You need to provide us more
information. They don't do it. They

758
01:08:34,159 --> 01:08:42,080
don't do it. At that point, if we've hit
that shot clock, okay, applicant, you

759
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:46,239
have not performed. I cannot find your
project in conformance. I have to deny

760
01:08:43,679 --> 01:08:50,880
your project and then it gets denied and
I've met the conditions of the law as

761
01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:55,199
far as that chaka goes. Um
>> yeah, and on the flip side, if they're

762
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:59,759
working with us well and they're
providing they're making those

763
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:04,080
provisions that we're requesting, then
it's on us to make sure that like we are

764
01:09:02,799 --> 01:09:10,239
we are still making sure we're in
compliance with that the clock. Um, so

765
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:12,880
it's also a motivation for us to move
relatively quickly on our side by

766
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:15,880
review.
>> Yes.

767
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:22,159
» And I don't know if this is what
Commissioner Chapel you were referring

768
01:09:19,759 --> 01:09:26,640
to, but we also can only hold one design
review meeting.

769
01:09:23,759 --> 01:09:32,520
Yeah, actually I saw that on one of
them.

770
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:32,520
That's um

771
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:43,679
a detachment to applic
>> to just have one or

772
01:09:40,799 --> 01:09:48,560
» Well, I mean,
it's one design review for a project,

773
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:52,799
not for a request, right? So, they have
to bundle all their requests, all their

774
01:09:50,799 --> 01:09:56,800
departure requests into a single thing.
and if something's uncovered later,

775
01:09:54,800 --> 01:10:00,400
they've used their design review appeal
up.

776
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:06,320
» Um, generally when it comes to like
conceptual architectural designs, um,

777
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:13,520
once you're ready to go through to
present like you, you know what your

778
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:18,000
project's going to be. There are
in practically every single project once

779
01:10:15,679 --> 01:10:22,320
you go to construction documents, there
might be something that shifts a little

780
01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:28,880
bit or tweaks a little bit or you know
whatever it is and and

781
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:35,440
we are allowed to legally find something
in substantial compliance. So if those

782
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:40,320
windows were at 60% of the wall and then
energy code calculations come in,

783
01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:47,679
they're like we have to make it 59.
Okay, that's substantially incompliant.

784
01:10:42,719 --> 01:10:51,920
Like that's fine. So, so life allows us
to account for those sort of like minor

785
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:55,040
tweaks. What? Because you're not doing
construction documents when you come.

786
01:10:54,080 --> 01:11:01,800
You don't do that. You do the
architectural plans. So,

787
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:01,800
that's fine.

788
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:14,480
» Any other questions?
Is there a way to make it appealable

789
01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:20,080
to us without the formal designation of
a designer review board? Like we just

790
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:23,600
want to pres just see what you know get
your buy in before we go to the full

791
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:27,199
design review board.
>> Um,

792
01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:30,880
no.
>> They're still going before planning

793
01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:36,719
commission to the planning commission as
a as a separate agenda item. So I don't

794
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:42,080
know if the only thing I could think of
is if there were

795
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:44,560
uh so this would be a future work plan
item to come up with some sort of

796
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:51,440
process
>> where it would be

797
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:55,920
could a preapp a pre-application so this
wouldn't kick in yet

798
01:11:53,920 --> 01:12:01,280
could get
informal feedback from a review board

799
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:06,800
could make we make the recommendations
to the design board just give initial

800
01:12:04,719 --> 01:12:10,320
feedback. You know what I you know I
don't know if other cities do that. I

801
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:15,360
don't know what that code language would
look like, but it's something where um

802
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:18,719
so
>> girl, they don't want to see the

803
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:23,840
» preamp.
Well, and and we're stepping on and

804
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:27,920
we're stepping on commissioner and
>> design hopefully. How about this? This

805
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:32,960
is me being optimistic. Hopefully, our
design standards are clear enough

806
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:39,040
» and objective
objective, not objectionable. Objective

807
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:45,920
enough that it would be
relatively straightforward for a a

808
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:50,159
architect to say, I see all your
illustrations. I see your clear

809
01:12:47,679 --> 01:12:53,840
language. I know what the city wants.
I'm going to design it accordingly and

810
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:58,480
we are going to get through lift squid
and I just have minor um deviation

811
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:06,640
requests because I have to put this
elevator here or I have to put this um

812
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:12,960
you know ramp here or whatever it is
>> and and we can work through it quickly.

813
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:18,480
So that's that's my my hope.
>> We have the deviation request. We have

814
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:24,560
the deviation request actually to not
request or Yeah. Departure request to uh

815
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:31,120
not to not comply with the city code,
but they wanted to do something extra on

816
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:34,320
top of it that no one asked for. It was
like a

817
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:39,440
» It's like a giant shipping container
built thing. You remember this? Somebody

818
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:43,760
came in. It was somebody wanting to
actually get rid of this feature.

819
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:49,440
This was only a month ago.
>> Oh, this is the daycare. We're Yeah,

820
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:54,480
» the daycare. Yes. It's a weird departure
request, but like the person coming in

821
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:58,159
had bought the project from them didn't
want to do the feature and we found out

822
01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:01,360
it was a departure request to do the
feature anyway because the applicant

823
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:03,760
wanted to do it at the time.
>> It was never something we required.

824
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:09,440
» Yeah.
>> So, so if someone through their through

825
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:13,760
their construction documents figures out
I can do something without this

826
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:19,040
departure request that was approved,
that's also fine.

827
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:24,239
Um yeah, the shipping container. That's
right. Okay. Sorry.

828
01:14:20,719 --> 01:14:30,800
» Um any other question?
>> So any any feedback on any of it um by

829
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:34,640
the next week would be fantastic.
>> Thank you so much. And hopefully we'll

830
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:37,840
get you a computer that works.
>> So

831
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:44,880
that's what I'm planning.
>> Okay. We'll be Yeah. And I can I'll

832
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:49,520
write up also as to what happened.
Thank you.

833
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:54,239
» Okay. Thank you, staff. Uh item nine is
new business. Seeing that we have none,

834
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:58,159
we'll move on to
item 10, unfinished business. Do we have

835
01:14:56,640 --> 01:15:03,760
any?
>> Oh, thanks, sir. Okay. Uh let's just

836
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:09,520
move on to adjournment. Uh before we
adjourn, uh just want to make a reminder

837
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:15,600
that next meeting is September 9th,
2026, 6 p.m. here. Uh, anything further

838
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:20,840
for the commission
or to the commission for tonight?

839
01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:32,880
» I think so. Um, if if I may. Um, it I I
think I want to address some of the

840
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:37,840
items brought up by the
community members. Um,

841
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:42,960
I can't speak for the rest of the
council, but

842
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:47,840
I am of a very similar lifeline to
people that spoke today. And uh, I have

843
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:57,080
been
frustrated by um

844
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:57,080
the niceness of of of

845
01:15:59,199 --> 01:16:05,520
maybe it's not maybe I'm just I'm just a
horrible person. But there's things we

846
01:16:03,679 --> 01:16:09,520
don't say and I I don't say them either
and I don't think other people say them

847
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:17,199
because there's it's just not who to
say. Um we're also frustrated by the uh

848
01:16:15,199 --> 01:16:20,800
when the state makes a mandate, it comes
with

849
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:26,080
threats. That's probably the wrong word
to use. Uh there is the potential of a

850
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:30,480
city that doesn't come into compliance
with the state mandate to be sued. That

851
01:16:28,719 --> 01:16:35,199
could cost us a lot of money. There's
also a worse thing that being sued and

852
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:39,440
that's coming into
uh ownership. Not what's the word?

853
01:16:37,679 --> 01:16:43,920
There's a word for it where they it's
like receiverhip from the state and they

854
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:48,159
come in and they decide what our rules
are. Is that the right word? That's not

855
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:51,760
the right word. There there are
>> sometimes there are there are state

856
01:16:49,679 --> 01:16:56,640
legislations that get adopted that say
if you cities don't adopt your own

857
01:16:54,320 --> 01:17:01,760
versions of of these regulations that
are tailored for your city the state

858
01:16:58,719 --> 01:17:03,920
regulations apply
>> they'll invalidate parts of our

859
01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:12,960
conference
>> and they will invalidate. Yeah. Um so it

860
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:19,679
the most charitable view of of uh us and
city council um that has the real power

861
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:25,520
uh is that there it's just wanting being
a quiet um

862
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:29,760
the thing that sparked a lot interest
I'm I'm going on too long I'll try to

863
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:35,280
wrap up thing that sparked that Facebook
that sparked uh the uh the whole

864
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:39,040
interest in these planning questions
It's it wasn't really fair. Um I'm a

865
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:44,480
real estate agent. I come from the
development side. We they just don't

866
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:51,120
want to do things that don't fit with
the city. It's not good business

867
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:54,640
practice. I can I can draw a horrible,
ugly, disgusting building that nobody

868
01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:58,719
would put on Main Street that is
perfectly compliance and they can't uh

869
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:02,400
nobody's going to do that. That's just
not in the best interest of the owner of

870
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:06,880
that property. And that's really my
philosophy when I look at all these

871
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:11,360
things. What's the best interest of the
the owner of property and secondarily

872
01:18:09,440 --> 01:18:20,640
what's the best interest of the
community? Um there's third or fourth

873
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:23,760
tank. So it's not a priority. But um I I
just want you to know we have the same

874
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:28,000
frustration and we have a hard time
balancing that. I know I do. There are

875
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:35,920
certain things that I want the city to
be that I may or may not say because not

876
01:18:32,239 --> 01:18:39,040
every wants. Right now you guys are are
seemed pretty unified with what you're

877
01:18:37,440 --> 01:18:43,159
talking about. That's not the case with
everybody. Um

878
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:52,320
» I think I think that's that's good. It's
just it's a it's a top a top uh problem

879
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:57,840
we have. And just because we bu we zone
it and say you we can do this here that

880
01:18:55,280 --> 01:19:04,320
meets in many cases meets the what the
state's asking us to do. It's still on

881
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:09,040
the builders the the people developers
to come and and do that. And as we've

882
01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:13,280
seen they have very little interest in
building low-inccome housing.

883
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:18,600
And again, low income housing, when you
hear those words, that's $600, $700,000.

884
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:27,120
» Most of us are not even concerned about
the low-inccome housing. We realize the

885
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:33,840
importance of it and are willing to
accept that within uh

886
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:40,560
acceptable
standards. Um but I think we also know

887
01:19:37,199 --> 01:19:49,440
that um that this is being mandated by
the state and this was mandated before

888
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:55,760
co happened with tremendous growth from
the tech industry

889
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:58,640
and co changed all of that
>> and I sorry

890
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:02,159
» you're right
>> I'm so sorry we don't have a public

891
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:06,320
comment
>> section but it talk

892
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:16,960
Um so so we welcome everybody to come to
city council. There'll be more chance

893
01:20:14,239 --> 01:20:21,199
for public testimony. Please come and
and speak. Um there's always public

894
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:27,199
comment at our planning commission uh
meetings as well. Um

895
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:32,400
the
it's already going to be September next

896
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:38,080
week. No. So, September 1st, um the
updated

897
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:45,040
draft of the title 14 code changes will
be posted online and um then I will be

898
01:20:41,679 --> 01:20:50,320
able to update the web this the city web
pages where I've been linking all the

899
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:56,320
things. So, once they're presented in
the council agenda, I'll be able to post

900
01:20:54,640 --> 01:21:01,719
all the updated information. So
everybody,

901
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:01,719
it'll coming soon.

902
01:21:02,239 --> 01:21:08,960
» Yeah. Uh I want to say something too. I
mean it kind of reminds me of an analogy

903
01:21:06,239 --> 01:21:15,199
I heard years ago. It's like how do you
make a pair of shoes last a really long

904
01:21:12,159 --> 01:21:19,520
time? Do you buy expensive shoes? Do you
only wear those good shoes when you need

905
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:26,880
to? Or do you repair them when they need
repair? And the answer is all. So this

906
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:32,159
the height stuff the jam-packing density
in. I mean it's it's a portion but it's

907
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:36,960
not it. So it's it's kind of more of a
big big picture everybody has to look

908
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:41,120
at. So that's all I got to say.
>> Thank you so much for coming in. Great.

909
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:46,400
» Uh I'll I'll adjourn the meeting.
Anybody else have anything?

910
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:49,719
» No. Let's go ahead and adjourn. 7:22.
>> Thanks so much.