[4:44] Pledge allegiance to the flag
[4:46] of United States of America and
[4:47] to the republic for which it
[4:51] stands. One nation under GOD,
[4:52] indivisible, with liberty and
[5:01] justice for all.
[5:02] I want to welcome everybody to
[5:04] the MAY 5th Cinco de Mayo
[5:05] regular meeting of the Eagan
[5:07] City Council. It is our first
[5:10] meeting of the month of MAY. We
[5:13] have a fairly light agenda in
[5:16] terms of topics. But I don
[5:17] t
[5:18] think we
[5:19] re going to be getting
[5:20] out of here in time for puck
[5:21] drop tonight. So we
[5:22] ll be
[5:23] getting into the meeting here
[5:26] really quickly. And hopefully,
[5:27] maybe if anything happens,
[5:28] we
[5:29] ll give a few subtle updates
[5:31] on the game. I know on the
[5:33] front row your your concern and
[5:34] following. So we
[5:35] ll make sure
[5:37] to do that. I will say that I
[5:38] we have a meeting. We have an
[5:39] item on the agenda tonight that
[5:42] was on the agenda for the apc
[5:45] on Thursday. And I watched that
[5:47] meeting live. I know many of
[5:48] you were in the room for that
[5:50] meeting on Thursday. When the
[5:53] wild played and won. So
[5:54] hopefully if we missed a good
[5:55] portion of the game, we
[5:56] ll get
[5:57] the same result tonight. All
[5:58] right. So that
[5:59] s that doesn
[6:00] t
[6:01] mean we have to spend the whole
[6:02] time here. Like if we can get
[6:03] home by mid second period,
[6:06] maybe, you know. Anyway, with
[6:08] that, MISS Miller, any changes
[6:09] agenda tonight? No, MR. Mayor.
[6:10] Council. Any changes? Agenda?
[6:11] No motion.
[6:12] Councilmember Hanson.
[6:13] To adopt.
[6:14] The agenda is presented second.
[6:15] That
[6:16] s moved and seconded. Any
[6:16] further discussion on the
[6:17] agenda? Seeing none. All in
[6:19] favor saying aye. And opposed?
[6:20] Nay. That motion carries and we
[6:22] have an agenda. We have no
[6:24] recognitions and presentations
[6:24] tonight, so I
[6:25] ll go right to
[6:27] our consent agenda. Are there
[6:28] any members of the public who
[6:29] are here on an item that
[6:32] appears in the consent agenda
[6:33] and had questions on that item
[6:34] and wanted to see item acted on
[6:37] separately? Seeing none, I
[6:38] ll
[6:39] bring it back to the council
[6:40] counsel. Same question.
[6:41] For a motion.
[6:42] Councilmember bacon.
[6:43] Move to approve the balance of
[6:45] the consent agenda. Second.
[6:46] That
[6:47] s moved and seconded. Is
[6:48] there any further discussion on
[6:49] the consent agenda? Seeing
[6:51] none. All in favor signify
[6:52] saying I and opposed. Nay. That
[6:54] motion carries. And we will
[6:55] move on to public hearing. We
[6:57] have just one public hearing
[6:59] tonight. It should be a fairly
[7:03] efficient item, I think is a a
[7:05] to vacate a utility easement at
[7:07] lot one, block one. United
[7:10] Stationers Edition at 1720
[7:12] Alexander Road. Owner.
[7:13] Thank you, MISTER Mayor.
[7:14] Members of the council. This
[7:16] request is actually coming from
[7:17] city staff for consideration of
[7:18] the vacation of the utility
[7:20] easement. The purpose is to
[7:21] vacate the utility easement
[7:22] along the south side of the
[7:24] existing building. Public
[7:25] easements are not required to
[7:27] address the existing private
[7:28] utilities within the easement
[7:29] on this property. So I will
[7:31] turn it over to Public Works
[7:32] Director Mathis.
[7:33] Thank you, MRS. Miller. MR.
[7:34] Mayor, members of the council
[7:35] and audience. This property is
[7:37] located in northwest Eagan, and
[7:40] it MAY look really familiar. In
[7:43] fact, the topic MAY be really
[7:44] seem familiar for the same
[7:46] property because it wasn
[7:47] t that
[7:48] long ago where we had an
[7:49] easement vacation on this
[7:51] property as well. Now, at that
[7:52] time, it was requested by the
[7:53] previous property owner. The
[7:54] property has been sold. Now we
[7:56] have a new property owner, and
[7:58] as MRS. Miller indicated, the
[7:59] request is actually coming from
[8:01] staff in this case. So it
[8:02] s
[8:03] kind of unusual. In fact, I
[8:04] don
[8:05] t remember. It
[8:06] s been a
[8:08] long time since staff came to
[8:09] council suggesting or
[8:11] requesting that the council
[8:12] consider an easement vacation,
[8:15] but in this case, the easement
[8:20] is addressing a water main and
[8:21] a storm sewer. So it
[8:22] s the
[8:24] darker shaded easement area
[8:26] that actually the sole purpose
[8:27] of it is to address the needs
[8:30] of the property owner, both for
[8:31] the building and the drainage
[8:32] of the site. So there
[8:33] s no
[8:35] public purpose for the
[8:36] utilities that exist within
[8:39] that easement. And so the
[8:41] thought is, is to make it. And
[8:42] we
[8:43] ve had discussions with the
[8:44] current property owner, both
[8:45] the former and the current
[8:47] property owner. But the thought
[8:51] is, is to take the easement
[8:54] away and let the property owner
[8:55] do what they want with their
[8:56] property, because there
[8:57] s no
[9:00] need for city staff to address
[9:01] any of the utilities that are
[9:03] located within these easements.
[9:06] So with that, we have sent out
[9:08] notices to all the regular
[9:10] interested parties, private
[9:12] utility representatives and
[9:13] such, and there
[9:14] s been no
[9:15] responses from anyone that they
[9:17] have any interest in the
[9:19] vacation of this easement. So
[9:20] with that, I
[9:21] m available for
[9:22] any other questions that the
[9:24] council MAY have.
[9:26] Cindy is the applicant. So what
[9:27] do you hear more from the City
[9:31] Council? Any questions of staff
[9:33] before I open up to the throngs
[9:34] of public comments? And I
[9:35] m
[9:38] sure soon to come seeing none,
[9:39] are there any members of the
[9:40] public who want to comment on
[9:46] the proposed? Vacation to the
[9:47] utility easement at United
[9:50] Stationers Edition at 1720
[9:54] Alexander Road. None. I
[9:55] ll
[9:56] bring him back to Council for
[9:57] additional conversations and or
[9:58] motion.
[9:59] For motion. Councilmember
[10:01] fields to close the public
[10:02] hearing and approve the
[10:03] vacation of the utility
[10:05] easement on lot one, block one
[10:07] United Stationers Edition, 1720
[10:08] Alexander.
[10:09] Road. Second.
[10:10] That
[10:11] s moved and seconded. Any
[10:13] additional comment? Seeing
[10:14] none. All in favor say aye.
[10:16] Aye. And opposed. Nay. That
[10:18] motion carries. If only this
[10:19] next item. We
[10:20] re going to be
[10:22] that brief. That concludes our
[10:24] work on public hearings
[10:26] tonight. We have no old
[10:27] business, so I
[10:28] ll go into new
[10:29] business. We have one item of
[10:32] new business. It is an interim
[10:34] use permit for Iron Gate data
[10:37] center. And Michael Margulies,
[10:39] apologies for the pronunciation
[10:40] there. It
[10:42] s an interim use
[10:44] permit to allow outdoor storage
[10:47] of four trailer chillers for
[10:49] operation of a data center
[10:52] located at 3199 Pilot Knob
[10:54] Road. MISS Miller, I
[10:54] ll let you
[10:55] get us started off.
[10:56] Thank you, MR. Mayor. Members
[10:57] of the council, the subject
[10:58] property was originally part of
[11:00] the 212 acre spare Univac
[11:02] campus. As a reminder, Sperry
[11:04] Univac campus was primarily
[11:05] involved in semiconductor
[11:07] research and manufacturing. The
[11:08] property is guided major office
[11:09] and zoned research and
[11:11] development. As the mayor
[11:12] indicated, the applicant is
[11:14] seeking a six month interim use
[11:15] permit to allow outdoor storage
[11:18] of four trailer chiller units.
[11:19] The Planning Commission held a
[11:20] public hearing on the interim
[11:22] use permit on APRIL 28th, and
[11:24] recommended denial of the aup.
[11:25] i
[11:26] m going to turn it over to
[11:27] City Planner Schultz for a
[11:27] location map and additional
[11:28] information.
[11:30] Thank you, MR. Miller. Good
[11:32] evening. Mayor Council. I do
[11:33] have a little bit, maybe
[11:34] lengthier presentation than the
[11:37] normal for an iup, so bear with
[11:39] me. So before you here, the
[11:43] map, the subject property
[11:44] consists of a 312,000 square
[11:47] foot building. As MRS. Miller
[11:49] indicated, that was part of the
[11:52] Sperry Univac campus. The
[11:54] property abuts Pilot Knob Road
[11:55] to the east and Tower View
[11:57] Road, which is a public street.
[12:00] To the north. Residential. Both
[12:02] single family and townhomes are
[12:04] located to the north of the
[12:05] property. Townhomes here.
[12:07] Single family to the north and
[12:11] to the west. And single family
[12:13] homes as well. On the east side
[12:15] of Pilot Knob Road. Central
[12:17] Park is located abuts the
[12:18] property to the south and the
[12:21] south west of the property.
[12:22] There
[12:23] s a change in grade. The
[12:24] park sits approximately 30 to
[12:26] 40ft below. The subject
[12:31] property. And then the City
[12:33] Spirit Tower is located just
[12:35] inside, almost surrounded on
[12:36] three sides of the property
[12:41] located right here. Back around
[12:42] the property is guided major
[12:44] office in zoned for research
[12:46] and development. The subject
[12:47] property was originally part of
[12:50] the 212 acre Sperry Univac
[12:51] campus, which comprised of
[12:54] three buildings. That 212 acre
[12:56] campus was approximately from
[12:57] Tower View Road down to Yankee
[13:00] Doodle. And Pilot Knob Road on
[13:01] the east side. The third
[13:03] building, which was located
[13:05] basically where Central Park
[13:07] Commons currently is at,
[13:09] comprised basically of that
[13:11] three building campus. As
[13:13] indicated, the campus was
[13:14] primarily involved in
[13:15] semiconductor research and
[13:18] manufacturing. 1987. The third
[13:20] building on the subject
[13:22] building was constructed to
[13:24] make up that campus. Building
[13:25] permits. At the time of the
[13:26] original construction
[13:28] identified a computer center on
[13:29] two floors of the north half of
[13:32] the building. On the north half
[13:33] of the building, which is
[13:34] basically this portion of the
[13:36] building. Later building
[13:38] permits identified the use of
[13:39] data center within the
[13:41] building. The south half of the
[13:43] building. Essentially, this
[13:45] portion just under the glass
[13:49] roof here. South building is
[13:51] comprised largely of offices
[13:52] supporting administrative uses
[13:53] within the building. When it
[13:55] was fully occupied by Unisys
[13:58] employees. In 2007, a portion
[13:59] of the lower level was
[14:01] repurposed. Approximately in
[14:03] this area for data center use,
[14:04] which included additional
[14:06] mechanical and generator
[14:08] plazas. Shown on this aerial in
[14:10] the south portion of the
[14:13] building in NOVEMBER 2025, was
[14:14] announced that Swivel
[14:15] Development Corporation
[14:18] purchased the property.
[14:18] Suburban Development
[14:20] Corporation owns a subsidiary
[14:22] company, Iron Gate Data
[14:24] Centers, which also owns
[14:26] Woodbury Capital llc, which is
[14:28] the registered agent of Eagan
[14:30] Capital llc, which is the
[14:31] identified property owner
[14:33] within Dakota County. Property
[14:36] records. In 2002, City Council
[14:39] directed staff to initiate a
[14:42] land use study of three parcels
[14:44] around Eagan Central Park in
[14:47] the sec. Two of those parcels
[14:49] were included as the Unisys
[14:51] property and the former Delta
[14:53] Airlines property. As well as
[14:56] the former Argosy University
[14:58] property. What resulted in that
[15:01] was the Northwest Central
[15:03] Common Small Area Plan. That
[15:05] basically envisioned envisioned
[15:07] redevelopment primarily for the
[15:09] two properties located north of
[15:11] Central Park. The Delta
[15:13] property or Central Park West,
[15:14] as it was later called in the
[15:16] study, primarily identified a
[15:17] mix of residential land use
[15:20] types. The Unisys property, or
[15:22] later termed the Central Park
[15:24] East, within the plan,
[15:25] identified a mix of both
[15:26] residential and commercial land
[15:28] uses. Given the proximity and
[15:32] access to Pilot Knob Road. So
[15:33] as part of the proposal in
[15:35] FEBRUARY, staff inspected the
[15:36] property after receiving
[15:37] numerous noise complaints and
[15:39] noted that there were three
[15:41] trailer chillers on the west
[15:44] northwest side of the property.
[15:46] Staff informed the owner that
[15:47] an interim use permit was
[15:49] needed for any outdoor storage
[15:51] occurring on the property. The
[15:53] initial iup application
[15:55] included three portable
[15:55] chillers. However, the
[15:57] applicant modified the request
[15:59] to add a fourth chiller,
[16:00] delaying the initial scheduled
[16:02] public hearing that was
[16:04] scheduled in MARCH. The four
[16:06] temporary chillers are located
[16:07] on the northwest corner of the
[16:09] building, and comprise of
[16:11] trained 500 ton air cooled
[16:13] attack units. As you can see on
[16:15] the larger site plan, they
[16:16] re
[16:18] located here on this kind of
[16:20] west northwest portion of the
[16:21] site. I
[16:22] m just going to zoom in
[16:24] here. According to the
[16:25] applicant
[16:25] s narrative, the
[16:26] existing chillers on the roof
[16:28] of the building quote had
[16:30] reached their end of their
[16:32] useful life and need to be
[16:34] replaced in order to ensure
[16:36] continuous cooling of to the
[16:38] facility and interruption and
[16:39] cooling service would
[16:41] materially affect the operation
[16:43] of the facility. The use of the
[16:44] temporary chillers would
[16:46] provide required chilling for
[16:48] the use of the data center. The
[16:50] applicant notes three of the
[16:51] four chillers could run
[16:52] simultaneously for up to 24
[16:54] hours per day, depending on
[16:55] weather and the number of
[16:57] servers in use. The fourth
[16:59] chiller is intended for backup
[17:00] only, and would operate in the
[17:02] event of one of the three.
[17:04] Chillers were to fail. The
[17:06] chiller set, a, a standard 53
[17:09] foot flatbed trailer with
[17:11] mechanical operations exposed
[17:12] to the open. Here
[17:14] s a diagram
[17:15] that was included both within
[17:18] the narrative and within the
[17:20] noise study that was provided
[17:21] to Council as part of the
[17:24] packet. Here are some
[17:26] photographs taken on the
[17:29] property. Back in MARCH that
[17:30] show the chillers parked on
[17:33] their current locations. Prior
[17:35] to construction of the Noise
[17:37] Wall. As you can see in these
[17:39] photos, a lot of the mechanical
[17:41] machinery as part of these
[17:44] chillers are basically open.
[17:44] There isn
[17:45] t maybe a standard
[17:46] housing that
[17:48] s maybe covering
[17:49] basically the the operation of
[17:51] the mechanical machinery. As
[17:52] part of the chilling operation.
[17:55] So all of this is exposed. And
[17:56] these pictures were taken when
[17:58] there was only three chillers
[18:00] on the site. And not the fourth
[18:03] chiller. According to the
[18:04] narrative, the applicant
[18:06] anticipates new permanent
[18:07] chillers will be installed
[18:10] within 4 to 6 months. On APRIL
[18:11] 20th, the city received
[18:12] mechanical plans to install
[18:15] eight permanent chillers to be
[18:17] located slightly south of the
[18:20] temporary chiller location.
[18:21] That would be approximately in
[18:23] this location. Right now, as
[18:25] part of the building permit
[18:26] that
[18:26] s been submitted to the
[18:29] city. They show the chillers in
[18:30] a new courtyard or mechanical
[18:32] yard. Basically, within this
[18:37] area of the of the property.
[18:38] From the end of FEBRUARY
[18:40] through the beginning, it was
[18:41] part of the noise mitigation
[18:42] and code enforcement. City
[18:44] staff requested. The applicant
[18:45] provide a noise study. After
[18:47] receiving numerous complaints
[18:48] to evaluate the use of the
[18:51] temporary chillers. From the
[18:52] end of FEBRUARY through the
[18:53] beginning of APRIL, city staff
[18:55] received about a dozen noise
[18:56] complaints received relating to
[18:57] the noise generated from the
[18:59] site, primarily due to the
[19:02] operation of the chillers. City
[19:03] has adopted Minnesota Pollution
[19:05] Control Agency noise level
[19:06] standards as called out in
[19:10] state statutes. The initial esi
[19:11] engineering noise study that
[19:14] was provided to staff. And
[19:15] here
[19:16] s the Minnesota Pollution
[19:17] Control noise standards that
[19:21] are basically adopted in code.
[19:24] As part of state statutes. So
[19:26] the esi engineering noise study
[19:28] that was provided in MARCH did
[19:31] demonstrate upon their analysis
[19:33] that noise generated from the
[19:36] chillers would exceed basically,
[19:38] those shown in red would
[19:39] exceed. Basically the noise
[19:42] standards both within the l ten
[19:45] and the l 50 levels. As noted
[19:50] within the MPCa requirements.
[19:52] So all of those numbers that
[19:53] are shown in red, that
[19:55] basically shows that there is
[19:56] those chillers would basically
[19:58] be violating those MPCa
[19:59] standards. So it was their
[20:02] recommendation that a 20 foot
[20:04] temporary noise wall should be
[20:05] constructed on the property to
[20:08] provide that noise mitigation
[20:09] or attenuation of that noise in
[20:11] order to reach those reach
[20:16] those standards. So city staff
[20:18] received an updated noise study
[20:19] conducted the weekend before
[20:23] the apec meeting last week. And
[20:23] here
[20:25] s the basically the noise
[20:27] wall. So the basically
[20:29] scaffolding was built around
[20:32] the three fourths of the
[20:33] perimeter. Basically that north
[20:36] side facing the residential
[20:38] land uses. And here
[20:40] s a 3d
[20:41] rendering showing that
[20:43] scaffolding. This shows
[20:45] basically those panels being
[20:47] applied or basically affixed to
[20:49] that scaffolding to provide
[20:53] that attenuation to the north.
[20:54] And here
[20:54] s just a different
[20:57] angle. So that scaffolding what
[20:59] did mt city standards. And
[21:00] they did provide additional
[21:02] information basically to meet
[21:04] when load requirements. And so
[21:06] so the state did issue a
[21:08] building permit basically to
[21:09] address a lot of the noise in
[21:11] the complaints that were
[21:12] received from some of the
[21:15] residents. And then these are
[21:17] the panels that basically are
[21:17] affixed to that, that
[21:21] scaffolding. So following the
[21:25] construction of t noise wall,
[21:26] Issi engineering did go out and
[21:29] complete a follow up noise
[21:32] udy. Basically indating
[21:35] that now the numbers basically
[21:38] taken during one point in tim
[21:41] on Ail 25th, in the mide of
[21:42] morning. I do wan to note that
[21:44] it was from 3 a.M to abo 4
[21:46] m.,hich is the more
[21:48] stringent noi standar from
[21:50] the MPCa tt basically the
[21:53] noise mitigation haseen
[21:56] achiedor the site. With the
[21:57] plication of that, that noise
[22:00] wall, a couple of other things
[22:02] that staff jus want to point
[22:03] out with this report again,
[22:05] that this was just a single
[22:08] point in time. On Apr 25th,
[22:09] between the hours of
[22:12] essentially 3 a.M and A.M.
[22:13] And the tperature a that
[22:14] me was 48 degrees, a noted
[22:17] within the whin the noise
[22:19] study itself.He evaluation
[22:20] did not iicate indicate how
[22:22] many chillers wer in operati
[22:24] at the time of the noise
[22:26] reading. And staff doe note
[22:27] that operation of the chiers
[22:29] is partly dependent on the
[22:31] ily temperature,umidity
[22:32] levels, and the number of
[22:33] serversn operationt the
[22:37] ti. To name a few facto.
[22:38] Included in the conditions of
[22:40] the ipi does allow for flow
[22:41] up nse monoring and
[22:44] evaluation by esa esi
[22:46] engineing, as detmined by
[22:51] city staff. City has issued
[22:54] viation lettersnd received
[22:57] an issued citation. To the
[22:59] applicant. And theepresenting
[23:02] agent, Eagan Capit llc
[23:03] citing violaon of the Noise
[23:05] Pollution regulations and work
[23:07] thout a pert. That cition
[23:09] is crentlyending at Dota
[23:16] County Crt. S as part of the
[23:17] zong analysis, there are two
[23:19] land use consideration before
[23:23] council One,he iep request
[23:25] self. And then whatas come
[23:28] up durin staff review and ap
[23:30] consideration is the land use
[23:32] and complnce with city. City
[23:35] zoning. So as indicated, the
[23:38] opertys zoned Ad reseah
[23:39] and development, wch t
[23:41] intent of that zon distrt is
[23:42] for professnalesearch and
[23:44] developmen and lited
[23:45] industrial structure and
[23:47] operatio, which wl be
[23:48] compatib wit the
[23:50] prominantly residential
[23:51] aracter ofhe surrounding
[23:53] areas so as to preserve for the
[23:55] residentsf the city the full
[23:56] use, benit and enjoyment of
[23:59] their homesnd property. Tt
[24:01] is a description taken from
[24:02] city ce ofhe zon
[24:06] distct. Lited iustrial
[24:07] structures are allowed in the d
[24:09] zone onl I conjunction with
[24:10] research and development
[24:12] laboratories and agriculral
[24:14] tivitiesssociated with
[24:16] resear a development,
[24:17] neither o which is currently
[24:19] ocrring within withi the
[24:22] building. Dataenters are n
[24:24] explicit listed asermitted.
[24:26] Accessory use, nor are they
[24:28] listed as permitted primaryse
[24:30] or principal use. Pt of the
[24:33] reason why the city ultimately
[24:35] implemented the moratorm. The
[24:37] primar u a the
[24:38] predominantly and predomint
[24:40] occupancy of the building has
[24:42] been as anffice. The Unisys
[24:44] data center, or comter center
[24:46] was consided as an accesso
[24:48] to the priry use o the
[24:50] office. Based on zoning
[24:53] definition,s neither the
[24:54] evious nor current property
[24:56] owne has requested a changen
[24:58] land use or zonin The primary
[25:00] use of t site rains. Office.
[25:03] Accessory uses must occupy no
[25:05] more than 4 of the building
[25:06] s
[25:07] squa footage.Er zong
[25:11] code. And thatccessory uses
[25:13] st be rsonably necessary
[25:14] and incidtal to t conduct
[25:17] the prima or mn use of
[25:20] the buiing. Staff did
[25:22] estimate basally the amot
[25:23] of sque footage within t
[25:23] building. That
[25:24] s basical
[25:27] dedicated f data centers or
[25:28] the mechanical rooms supportg
[25:30] the dataenters. At
[25:31] apoximately 46% of t
[25:34] overall squareootagef the
[25:36] building. That does include the
[25:37] raed floor area for the
[25:39] server Also, the mechacal
[25:41] roomhat help operate the
[25:44] ta center. However the
[25:45] office portion o the building,
[25:47] on fullyccupied by Usys
[25:49] employee is nowntirely
[25:51] vacant. Save for a small area
[25:53] for dedicated staff responsle
[25:54] forhe operation of the data
[25:56] center Additiolly, the
[25:57] property owner hasiven no
[25:59] indication totaff of Re
[26:01] occupying t offic portion of
[26:02] theuilding, thus making t
[26:04] data cenr therincipal use
[26:07] the property. The IEPust
[26:09] meet the perfoance standards
[26:12] for outdoor storage. But also
[26:14] the revw critea for the iep
[26:15] and additiona standar for
[26:18] granting a conditional use. The
[26:21] p standds can generally are
[26:23] generally he been met, say,
[26:24] for criteria number five that
[26:28] references the c standards
[26:30] which rd the use meets the
[26:32] stdards set forth in t
[26:33] zoningegulations here in
[26:34] verningonditional use
[26:37] permits. A part ofhat Cop
[26:39] review criria. Nber one
[26:40] states that itill not b
[26:42] detrimenta to or endanger the
[26:46] public healt. Rea in part.
[26:48] Also, the cp riew critea
[26:51] ates that the use will also
[26:53] use not involvectivities,
[26:54] press merials, equipnt,
[26:57] and condition of operation.
[26:59] Thatill be detrimental to t
[27:01] general welfare bause of
[27:02] excessive production ofraffic,
[27:05] noise, smoke fumes, glare or
[27:07] odors.O those are cerinly
[27:09] two criteria that cou be
[27:11] nsidered as part o t
[27:14] consideratn of the iep
[27:18] Tonight, partlyhe noise wall
[27:20] does help mitigate some of the
[27:22] noise attenuaon. Meeting the
[27:24] MPCa standards However, it
[27:25] s
[27:27] been notic tha ooing noise
[27:29] and vibration that maybe meet
[27:31] mpa standards MAY still
[27:33] continue toasically impac or
[27:35] afct srounding residents,
[27:36] even thoug thathose
[27:38] stanrds, those are meeting
[27:41] the mpc standards So at the
[27:42] Advisory Planningommission o
[27:44] Apri 28th, during the public
[27:47] hearing, the public comment,
[27:48] there were publi comments from
[27:50] 14 of the appximately 50
[27:51] residents in aendance at
[27:54] nit.He primary concern
[27:55] we the continuous nse
[27:57] levels and impact ofuality o
[27:59] life, constant vibration and
[28:01] hum of equipnt, future gwth
[28:02] of the data center along wh
[28:05] future site improvements.
[28:06] Questionsf appropriateoning
[28:08] for data centers and the
[28:09] environmental impacts relat
[28:12] to the operation o the dat
[28:15] ceer. So the apc ultimately
[28:17] voted to recommend denial on a
[28:19] six yr old ve of the iep.
[28:21] After an initial vote to
[28:23] approv the iep fled and a
[28:26] one five vote. They cited the
[28:27] followin findings.
[28:28] Insuicient information
[28:30] regarding future plans for the
[28:32] site. Noise impaco
[28:33] surroundg residents and
[28:35] pact touality of life.
[28:36] Imcts and surroding
[28:38] residential areas are
[28:39] inconsistent wh the
[28:41] Coitional u Permit
[28:42] requirement that the pposal
[28:44] will quote, will not be
[28:46] trimental to or endanger the
[28:47] public health, safetyr
[28:49] genera welfare of the
[28:51] neighborhood ority. And
[28:52] finally, tha the use does not
[28:54] pear to be consistent wit
[28:55] the r d zonin and therefore
[28:57] doesot meet the cup
[28:59] requirement that the proposal
[29:00] will bearmonious wit the
[29:03] general and applicable specific
[29:05] objectives of t Comprehensive
[29:06] Plan in the city code
[29:08] provision. So wit that, will
[29:10] conclude. I doant to not
[29:14] at that the date, action date
[29:16] deadline, which wasot part of
[29:20] thour memo is JUNE 17th of
[29:22] this year. So noticed that
[29:23] that did not make theover
[29:25] memo, but that is the action
[29:26] deadline for tonight
[29:32] s iep.
[29:34] Judging by the volum of
[29:36] docuntation tt the
[29:39] apicantubmitted yesteay
[29:40] afternoon, assume you want t
[30:12] add to tha presentation.
[30:14] MR. MAY,embersf the
[30:15] counl. My nam is Micha
[30:16] Maulies. I
[30:17] m with Newton Rez
[30:18] ll and I
[30:21] m here on behalf of
[30:23] Aeon Cital, whichs the
[30:26] owner o the property. There
[30:27] s
[30:29] been a lot of infortion
[30:31] presend t theo the to the
[30:35] ci, bot from staff and from
[30:37] Ian Cital. And there
[30:39] s goi
[30:40] to be lot ofiscussion.
[30:42] Presumably on a on a numr of
[30:43] topics tight. But
[30:44] d like to
[30:45] I
[30:46] d like to focus on several
[30:49] issues. The first issue is that
[30:53] this propert has bn and has
[30:55] always been a data center. It
[30:58] was opened as a data center. It
[31:00] was orated as aata center.
[31:01] If you loo at the cerficates
[31:03] of occupancyor this prorty,
[31:04] theirst thing that you see on
[31:06] them is a computer center or
[31:11] dataenter. We seriously and
[31:13] strongly disagree with the
[31:15] suggestion that this I an
[31:17] accessory u ton office. We
[31:19] think that theccessoryse
[31:22] designation has been grafted on
[31:27] to the. To the tohe
[31:29] situatn. And think tt if
[31:31] yo look at the hisry o the
[31:32] wa that this prorty has been
[31:34] used, it has consistently and
[31:39] and andlways been use as a,
[31:43] as a dataenter. That said,
[31:44] even if you were to u an
[31:47] accessory applicaon, iteets
[31:49] it meets that, it meets tha
[31:52] test. The second thinghat I
[31:53] d
[31:56] like to focus on is tt the
[31:59] considerion tonight isor an
[32:01] interim use pmit. You
[32:02] reave
[32:03] a number of pple here who are
[32:05] ing to talk to you about
[32:07] eir concerns. And, and w
[32:09] sharehe concerns thathey
[32:12] have about how the impacts of
[32:14] dataentersnd,nd a
[32:15] sinesses on the community.
[32:17] And I know that t city has
[32:20] city council, h passed a
[32:21] moratorium. And the next year
[32:22] u
[32:23] re going toearn a lot
[32:24] about data centers and how the
[32:28] operat Tonight,hough, I
[32:29] want to underscehat the
[32:30] on issue that we
[32:31] re really
[32:32] talking abouts whethern
[32:35] interim ierim use permit
[32:37] shou be granted Now, there
[32:39] e a lot ofopics about the
[32:40] goods a the bads and the
[32:42] pluses andinuses of data
[32:44] centers.Nd that
[32:45] s not really
[32:47] the the topic for the
[32:49] diussion tonight. Beyond
[32:50] that, which applies to the
[32:56] interim useermit. Whe w
[32:58] wa to talk a ltle bit abo
[33:00] thehillers for aecond, the
[33:04] chlers are water bed
[33:05] chillers on top of the
[33:08] ilding,nd they hav end
[33:10] their the useful life. Wn
[33:13] we applied for an pertor
[33:17] th for the mechanical permit
[33:19] at the end of DECEMBER for the
[33:21] interior of the building to
[33:23] reace somef the chiller
[33:24] lines there, we recognid that
[33:27] the chillerines going up to
[33:28] the rftop chierseren
[33:29] t
[33:30] going to work,nd the rooft
[33:31] chillers had had rched the
[33:32] end of their usel life.
[33:34] Sorry. Can you rept that?
[33:37] Realid that the rooftop
[33:39] chillers had reach the end of
[33:40] their life. As we were srting
[33:46] to work on the the. Interior
[33:47] improvemen.
[33:48] Okay.
[33:49] When was that?
[33:50] I apologize.
[33:51] As weere as we were working
[33:52] on the interior improvements.
[33:53] Thank you.
[33:55] N you can you speak up?
[33:56] Okay.
[33:57] M sorry.
[33:58] Than you.
[34:02] The Chiller that were
[34:04] installed in the on the on the
[34:05] rotop of the building are old
[34:07] styl chillers. Been thereor
[34:09] a lg time. Theyse
[34:12] approximatel.4 million
[34:15] gallons of water a year. 2.4
[34:19] million gallo of water.
[34:20] The
[34:21] s much more. Better
[34:23] modern technolognd t
[34:25] decision was made to rlace
[34:27] those chiller y had had to
[34:28] reace them. And what the
[34:29] questi was, what weere
[34:30] going t place them with, going
[34:31] to replacehem with a closed
[34:32] system that doesn
[34:33] t use water,
[34:35] it use refrigerant. And
[34:36] basically, oe the
[34:37] re filled,
[34:39] us no water at all. We
[34:40] ve
[34:43] bmitted into theecord a
[34:45] report from council or from a
[34:48] fr appropriate engineer that
[34:50] certifies tt instead of using
[34:52] 4 o 2.7 million galns o
[34:54] water year, this will
[34:55] bacally use no water here.
[34:57] It
[34:58] s a good and smart
[35:00] environmenta choice to make.
[35:02] When w instaed those
[35:04] chillers, we didn
[35:05] t belve we
[35:06] needed a pert. Thereasn
[35:07] t
[35:08] an electrical permit. There
[35:09] wasn
[35:11] t a mechacal permit to
[35:13] be had Staff tolds that we
[35:18] needed an iup. We dagree to
[35:20] so extent. Not toome
[35:23] extente disage tha aup
[35:26] isctually called for her
[35:29] en we looke at the statutory
[35:31] language that it permits the
[35:32] overnight stora of
[35:35] rchandise, splies,
[35:37] mateals, fished goods or
[35:39] inventory, o other movable
[35:42] propty o motor vehicles
[35:43] doesn
[35:45] t really fit that
[35:46] definition. These are
[35:49] mechanical stems tha serve
[35:50] the building. The
[35:52] re not
[35:53] finished goods on a pallet.
[35:54] Th
[35:55] re not truck being parked
[35:57] overnit.Nd Ihink weave
[35:58] the right and the ality to
[35:59] matain the electrical and
[36:01] mechanical systems of the
[36:04] building. Nonheless, within
[36:06] days after receiving aotice
[36:09] from the planng deptment
[36:11] that theyhought an iup was
[36:13] necessary. Wepplied for one
[36:15] an w provided the cit all
[36:16] the informaon tt the city
[36:18] aske for,ncluding
[36:20] eliminary noise studies. And
[36:22] when the noi studies came
[36:23] back as pnner, Sultz sai
[36:26] th the initial noise studies
[36:27] were bas upon the tecical
[36:30] specificatio of t train
[36:32] illers thatere goingo be
[36:34] that were goi to be inslled
[36:35] evenefore the chiers run
[36:38] on.N place, andhose
[36:40] suested that we would excd
[36:42] least the nighttime
[36:46] standards imposed by the Ma.
[36:50] As a rult,e desned a
[36:52] und barrier, a to support
[36:54] the sound barrier, we
[36:57] established scaffolding. Sff
[36:58] asd for us to get a
[36:59] mechanical eineer, a
[37:01] structur enginr, toeport
[37:03] on the strucral nature of the
[37:05] scaffolding. We did that. W
[37:08] installed the we install the
[37:10] chillers, we installed the
[37:11] scaffolding, we installed the
[37:14] sound barrier a then we had
[37:16] si, the snd eineer, go
[37:18] out and do actlesting. As
[37:22] planner, Schtz said. And the
[37:23] report that
[37:25] s in you file
[37:30] indicates that that the noise
[37:33] standards are being met. We
[37:34] don
[37:36] have anyther evidence
[37:37] that the noise standards are
[37:40] not beingdhered to. We have
[37:42] prided the city the evince
[37:47] and the and the expertnalysis
[37:48] at they
[37:50] ve asked for. If the
[37:51] city has other tesng that
[37:52] they
[37:54] ve asked us to want u to
[37:55] do, we wld certainly comply
[37:56] with tha But w believe that
[37:58] the testi in good faith shows
[38:00] at the that the nse
[38:02] standards standards are bei
[38:06] sasfied. The other thing I
[38:07] nt to emphasize I the report
[38:12] that the sff provided. Lis
[38:14] all the standards tt needo
[38:18] be satisfied in oer for the
[38:20] interim use pmit to be to be
[38:22] issued. And you
[38:23] notice that
[38:25] onach one o them,taff
[38:26] indicated that the standard had
[38:30] been met,nd we still take the
[38:31] posion that the standards
[38:32] have been met a we hav
[38:33] t
[38:35] en anything to the conary.
[38:38] And we belie that. On t
[38:39] basis of the ft that this
[38:41] operty is being operated
[38:44] within the zoning code,
[38:46] regaless of whether or not
[38:47] you call it an aessory, use
[38:49] or acknowledge that it
[38:50] s been
[38:51] used f mor than 40 years as
[38:53] a data cente and tha allhe
[38:55] technil requirements with
[38:57] respecto the chiller hav
[38:59] been met We ask that this
[39:02] permit be issd. What we
[39:03] re
[39:05] going to doith the future
[39:06] with respect to a permanent
[39:07] chillers which are uer
[39:09] consideration for pmit, I
[39:10] ink is a discussion for a
[39:13] diffent day.Hether these
[39:16] whethe thisataenter, which
[39:18] probably conforms to the or
[39:19] which does conform to the
[39:21] moratorium exctions, is going
[39:25] to be part of your ovell data
[39:26] nter construct. Tt
[39:28] s
[39:29] somethingor the Cityouncil
[39:31] to take ups part as par of
[39:32] its discussion, alysisf
[39:34] da centers generally. So we
[39:36] d
[39:37] like to foc tonig onhe
[39:39] iup and believe that we
[39:40] ve
[39:41] satisfied the in good faith,
[39:43] the cit
[39:44] s standards for the
[39:46] issuce ofhat permit. I
[39:47] m
[39:48] happy to stand for any
[39:50] questions. And also with me
[39:51] tonight, I should add, is
[39:53] Howard Ralston from
[39:54] Fredickson, who was actings
[39:56] legal counsel f usonight.
[39:57] Both he and I will be happy to
[39:58] answer any questionshat you
[40:00] ve.
[40:02] Ank you. Michael Council.
[40:03] I
[40:05] ll have some. I
[40:06] m sure that
[40:07] yo will alsoave som as
[40:09] well. But queions of the
[40:12] applicant or sta and if it
[40:14] s
[40:15] okay, Micha, I
[40:17] ll, I
[40:18] ll srt
[40:20] withou. I
[40:21] ll tryo refer to
[40:22] you as Mhael and to him as
[40:24] Miker MR. Schtz. We
[40:30] figure it o. But. MAY I
[40:32] kind ofant to go bk and
[40:33] stt at the beginning Perps
[40:37] I. Sufficeo say, w
[40:38] re at a
[40:40] irly ntraditional pho
[40:43] th meeting tonig. Fairmont
[40:47] of confuon in details. In the
[40:49] preding mths. And that was
[40:51] evident in my viewing of thef
[40:54] th apec meeting as well. And
[40:56] partularly challenging is
[40:57] piecing togetherome of the
[41:01] timelines of events. So I
[41:03] m
[41:04] going to ask youo maybeust
[41:06] start at the beginning. And how
[41:11] does. Egan capital llc guess
[41:16] it is come to the purchase of
[41:19] this blding. And and to
[41:22] purchase theuilding and and
[41:25] it closed in Novber. I assume
[41:26] there was some ierest
[41:27] previous t that. Can you tell
[41:28] me abo that,bout jus that
[41:29] process ofcquiring the
[41:32] propty? And what whathelc
[41:34] was interesdn acquiring a
[41:36] what was the business being
[41:37] transferred fromomewhere els?
[41:40] Or if you can kin of start
[41:41] there, guess, ande
[41:43] ll try
[41:44] to sort this out a littl bit.
[41:45] MR. Mayor, I
[41:47] ll try and answer
[41:48] the questns as best I can
[41:52] Egan capital and its affiltes
[41:54] have an intest I iron gate
[41:56] data centers, which areata
[41:57] nters that operate elsewhere
[42:02] inhe Twinities. Okay. Egan
[42:05] catal was aware thathis was
[42:07] beingperated as a data
[42:14] center. Unisysad it for sale.
[42:16] Unisys was operatedrimarily
[42:17] as a data center. Wn we
[42:19] bought I there were very few
[42:20] employees, ver few office
[42:26] functions. W met the offer and
[42:28] closed o it in Novber. Okay.
[42:30] And and intend to use I as a
[42:32] data center going forwa.
[42:34] Than you.
[42:37] And I assume that.
[42:38] And MAY.
[42:40] I.
[42:41] MAY I interrupt one time? I
[42:43] apologize.Ot onlyo we
[42:44] tend to opete it. Wee are
[42:46] operatg it, and we hav a
[42:49] tent who h occupied the
[42:50] propertynd who has invted a
[42:52] significant amount of money in
[42:54] the servers that go into the
[42:56] preparatn of a data cenr.
[42:59] As has as has Egan Capital. So.
[43:01] Okay.
[43:04] An so you have one tenant.
[43:05] One tenant.
[43:06] Okay.
[43:08] Thank you.
[43:09] And whi isot unusual for
[43:11] data centers.
[43:14] Understandle. And a you as
[43:15] as you can capital I don
[43:17] t mean
[43:18] to say y, but you
[43:21] representing them. So a as
[43:22] you conside the purase. I
[43:23] assume you d the usuue
[43:24] ligence behd the purase.
[43:26] Ke this.
[43:27] I yes, I think tha
[43:28] s a correct
[43:30] assumpon.
[43:31] Okay. So.
[43:32] Sowo lels ofue diligence
[43:38] I guess. Well, maybe three.
[43:40] It
[43:41] s par of the the confusion
[43:44] r me is that this project
[43:47] cos through a couple of
[43:50] different pathways thare
[43:53] fairly nontraditiona from wt
[43:58] we ordinary would see. A the
[43:59] the and I
[44:01] ll get to it. B
[44:03] th the back a forth about
[44:05] putting outdoor storage
[44:07] chillers in place a operating
[44:10] them befe havg the permit
[44:13] is non-traditional to be my
[44:18] kindest. And and the fact and
[44:20] usually with a with a a
[44:21] buildi purpose auilding
[44:24] purchase this lar and a
[44:26] building that has some fairly
[44:27] high profi in the communi.
[44:28] I mean, it was a focus o a
[44:31] fairly focused publi vioning
[44:35] process. I was caut up in
[44:36] our city
[44:38] s general conces
[44:41] about the officearket. It was
[44:44] in all the papers.Ute would
[44:46] uslly with a building that a
[44:48] a a an investment tha large,
[44:49] usually deal woun
[44:51] t close
[44:56] until the Until the pchaser
[44:58] t the legal entitlements that
[44:59] they needed.Ou
[45:01] d do a
[45:02] contingent purpose or
[45:04] contingent purchase.Nd most
[45:07] projects in Ean come that
[45:09] way. And this is the first time
[45:10] that yr client is aually
[45:12] talking wh the city council
[45:14] or putting in applicatis wit
[45:16] the city.Orrect.
[45:17] Ielieveo. Well, tre MAY
[45:19] have been, other thanhe
[45:21] mechanal pmits that were
[45:22] requested after welosed.
[45:24] Righ
[45:26] But I mea you haven
[45:27] t
[45:29] bmitted anyand use
[45:30] applicatns or any plan
[45:32] developmen or anything le
[45:33] that tohis council to
[45:35] consider and toass on to
[45:37] ensure that you would hav the
[45:39] entlements to u the
[45:41] property the way that you
[45:43] wanted to.Orrect.
[45:45] MR. Mayor, respectfully, we
[45:47] believe thathe property is
[45:48] zoned.
[45:50] I
[45:52] m not
[45:54] m not askg what you
[45:55] believ I
[45:57] m askg what
[45:58] s
[46:00] happened.
[46:02] Did n.
[46:04] Okay.
[46:06] Forhat reason, we d not.
[46:07] I appreciat that, so. So you
[46:09] purchased the building.Ithout
[46:10] any contingt. Contient on
[46:11] on. On on entlements.
[46:13] Corrt.
[46:14] i can
[46:16] t speak to what the
[46:17] contingencies in the purchase
[46:19] agreemt were.
[46:20] Ca you.
[46:21] Te me theeal has closed?
[46:23] Correct. It I
[46:25] Okay.
[46:26] You didn
[46:28] t pureny
[46:29] additionalntitlementso the
[46:30] to the property? Correct
[46:32] That is correct.
[46:34] Okay.
[46:35] D your side, inhe due
[46:36] diligence. Your client. I
[46:37] assume, having been having had
[46:39] this propert involve inome
[46:40] fair largeommunity
[46:41] conversatis. You did the due
[46:42] diligenc to loo at what the
[46:44] guiding a t zoning was on
[46:45] the propertyhat you were
[46:47] purchasing.
[46:48] I tnk you can make that
[46:50] assumption. Yeah.
[46:51] Okay. I
[46:53] m not. I
[46:54] m asking you
[46:55] not if you think I can make
[46:57] that assumptio Did you look
[46:58] into the entlements?
[46:59] I
[47:01] I
[47:02] m cerinhat that Eden
[47:04] Capital looked at how the
[47:05] operty was zoned and how it
[47:06] was being used.
[47:07] I
[47:09] m sor. How was how my
[47:10] qution was guided and zoned.
[47:11] Did y look into that?
[47:12] How was guided and how it was
[47:14] zoned? And as it affected the
[47:15] intended use o the property?
[47:16] Allight. So you cite the
[47:17] certificate of occupcy as the
[47:18] the leading indicator that it
[47:19] s
[47:20] a data center,orrect?
[47:22] s. From 1987 and 198
[47:24] And I. Jus for tho in the
[47:26] room who who don
[47:27] t follow these
[47:28] kis of things, what is thi
[47:30] certifice of oupancy.
[47:32] Certify. What is it? What is it
[47:33] entitle.?
[47:35] The certificaf occupancy
[47:38] indicated that the standards
[47:40] for oration,or openi and
[47:42] conductingusiness ashey
[47:46] exted in 1987, 1988, were
[47:47] met.
[47:49] From aut from a from a but
[47:50] it
[47:52] s from building code is a
[47:53] ceificate of occupancy. It
[47:54] ceifies that the space can be
[47:56] safely occupie Well it peopl
[47:58] correct.
[48:00] Yes. But the relevance please.
[48:01] I
[48:03] llsk the question to your
[48:05] mind. So in real estate terms
[48:07] or landse terms, is a
[48:09] certifate of occancy a
[48:10] certicate of occupancy. The
[48:11] ntrollingocument on ld
[48:14] useesignations.
[48:15] Don
[48:17] t kw the answe to
[48:18] that. I know how theity
[48:19] referred to it. The city called
[48:21] it a dat cente City cald
[48:22] it computer center.
[48:24] And I
[48:25] m not. I
[48:26] mot asking you
[48:27] what it was called in the
[48:28] cuments. I
[48:30] m askingou, does
[48:31] a cerficate ofccupancy? Is
[48:32] that the controlli document
[48:35] to allable or d allowab
[48:37] land uses?
[48:38] It maye part o the record of
[48:40] it.
[48:41] Okay,
[48:43] ll pause here.R. City
[48:45] attorn, what
[48:46] s the
[48:47] controlling document on land
[48:49] use entitlements?
[48:50] MR. MAY, the lan use
[48:51] entitlements would be the
[48:53] corehensive gde plannd
[48:54] the uerlying zing.
[48:56] And with the certificate
[48:57] docunts, do youave anything
[48:59] to do wh entitling ld use?
[49:00] No, MR. Mayor.
[49:01] Thankou, I appreate tha
[49:04] So we have a disagreent.
[49:05] Understandle.Hat
[49:07] s fine. In
[49:08] term of the d diligence o
[49:12] theroperty. A one of the
[49:14] question I had was your your
[49:16] your tent I currentoing
[49:18] business. Yes As a data
[49:21] center And and was that
[49:23] business transfeed in ors
[49:25] thatew business fromhen you
[49:27] acquired theuilding?
[49:29] Well, Unisys owned the
[49:30] building
[49:32] I uerstand
[49:33] That.
[49:34] Unisys is no longer operating
[49:36] there. I don
[49:37] t I
[49:38] m not sure I
[49:40] understa the questio MR.
[49:41] Mayor.
[49:42] Did your your operating a
[49:44] business So yououou you
[49:45] cled on the busins and
[49:46] starte to be able to use it in
[49:47] NOVEMBER?
[49:49] We we csedn the propey
[49:50] and have leased it to a to a
[49:51] new operator.
[49:52] Okay.
[49:54] Soefore that tre was no use
[49:58] going on in there. Aside from
[50:00] what whathe entled uses
[50:02] were. But ts is a new start
[50:03] up busins. You bght it with
[50:04] the intention of starting to
[50:05] erate it a a data center.
[50:07] Starting in when.
[50:09] I disagree with theay you
[50:12] posed t question. T data
[50:15] center was a operation Da
[50:18] center is still in operation.
[50:20] Okay Is the client the same?
[50:22] The the parties opeting it
[50:23] are not theame because the
[50:25] ownershiphanged.
[50:26] Okay. I
[50:27] .
[50:28] Ll leave this off
[50:29] to the side. Good idea. In the.
[50:30] In the in the way of due
[50:34] diligence. What? What level of
[50:36] spection did y do on the
[50:37] existing coors in the
[50:39] builng?
[50:40] I don
[50:41] t know the answer to
[50:42] that.
[50:43] Okay, I
[50:44] m.
[50:45] I
[50:46] m assuming tha. I
[50:47] m assuming
[50:50] at the that Eag was aware
[50:52] of t condition ofhe
[50:52] builng generally.
[50:54] And whoas that?
[50:56] Eagan capital.
[50:57] Thank you.
[50:58] Was aware o theeneral
[51:00] condition of the propey and
[51:01] at needed to be done.
[51:02] Okay.
[51:04] So a we auminghat whene
[51:06] came in, there was a plan to
[51:08] bring coolers in, oras the
[51:09] a disvery or that of t
[51:11] desireo replace the cooling
[51:14] syem different from tim of
[51:15] operationo time of purchase?
[51:16] I
[51:17] m not sure I know the answer
[51:18] to that queion.Y
[51:19] undetanding is me the
[51:21] latter tt I wasperating
[51:25] fine unt w started to make
[51:26] repas and improvents
[51:27] interior, and then the
[51:29] recognition that the cllers
[51:31] re n goingo beave as
[51:32] long a le as as oginally
[51:33] anticipad.
[51:34] So going into this purchase,
[51:35] ther wasn
[51:36] t any inspection of
[51:37] e system beforand or any
[51:39] vision off what we
[51:40] ll do with
[51:41] this outdated, outmoded.
[51:42] System.
[51:44] That
[51:45] sot a corct statement
[51:46] think there w discussn
[51:47] about what thatystem looked
[51:48] like. I don
[51:49] think tt we
[51:50] were ultimatelorrectn how
[51:51] longhat system was goi to
[51:54] be funionally operable.
[51:58] Okay. So.
[51:59] I
[52:00] ll fast forward to that. To
[52:01] the introduction, I
[52:02] trying to
[52:03] figure out t timeline here
[52:05] between thecquisition of the
[52:08] building and the decision to
[52:12] put in what at the time were,
[52:13] let
[52:14] s say, new cllers,
[52:16] correct.
[52:18] Ne pmanent chillersere on
[52:19] order.
[52:21] An when was the decisn? Whe
[52:23] was I so new pmanent
[52:25] chillers weren ord.
[52:27] Correct. And is tt the the
[52:28] th chillers that are the
[52:30] subjt now of a separate
[52:31] application?
[52:33] Yes, sir. Okay.
[52:34] When was theecision. Wn
[52:35] were ty put on ord?
[52:36] I don
[52:37] tnow the ansr to
[52:38] that. Okay. We can certainly
[52:39] find thator you if.
[52:40] You
[52:41] d like.O. Tha
[52:42] s fine.
[52:47] So before. Before t temrary
[52:49] chille were put in. Because
[52:50] that was the first tng that
[52:51] th was the first decision
[52:52] that w made, whichas we
[52:54] needed new w needed new
[52:56] chillers andhere to put them.
[53:00] Okay. Sourchased the buildin
[53:01] at some point. Come to t
[53:02] conclusion that the the t
[53:03] chilng systems going to
[53:05] need to be rlaced. So we
[53:06] re
[53:10] going to order. A set of new
[53:12] permanent chillers.Ut in the
[53:15] antime, instead of just
[53:15] waiting f those permane
[53:18] chillers to aive and totart
[53:19] upusiness, we
[53:20] reoing to go
[53:23] forward and put in tempora
[53:25] illers to replace aystem
[53:27] that has failed, as has has the
[53:29] old stem now ceased to be
[53:31] workingr ceased operation?
[53:34] It has been, yes. It
[53:35] sot
[53:36] operatingecause it
[53:37] s been
[53:38] converted over t the
[53:39] temporary.
[53:40] Okay. Okay. So in ord to so
[53:41] in order to replace that
[53:43] stem, you bring in four
[53:45] chille. You he more on back
[53:48] order, but you bring in four.
[53:50] And you startperatinghem.
[53:51] That
[53:53] s corct. Okay. And at
[53:54] the tim that you started
[53:56] operating them, did you did you
[53:57] think that you
[53:58] d ordered some
[54:01] sort of a superuiet chiller?
[54:02] That wasn
[54:03] toing to make a
[54:04] noisend wasn
[54:05] t gng to be of
[54:06] any concern?
[54:07] I don
[54:08] t know t answer to that.
[54:11] Why not come into theity and
[54:13] and checkhead of te? I
[54:14] would seem to me tt youeem
[54:15] like an intelligent person. If
[54:16] you
[54:17] re going tout a chiller
[54:18] on the outside, it
[54:19] s going to
[54:20] make som noise.Ou wouldn
[54:21] t.
[54:22] You wouldn
[54:23] think that maybe
[54:23] you should check I with the
[54:24] city to see if there
[54:25] s some
[54:26] so of standards that you need
[54:27] to go through, o some process
[54:28] you need too through.
[54:29] You know, I think, m Mayor,
[54:30] respectfully w were not aware
[54:31] th we needed thi permit.
[54:32] Once we were are of ts
[54:34] permit and all the city was
[54:36] aski. We jped on it
[54:38] imdiately and did evething
[54:40] the citysked u to do,
[54:42] includin pticularlyome
[54:43] ve significant andxtensive
[54:46] noise stues.
[54:50] Do I, y and I can
[54:53] digree on t on t o
[54:54] coort levels with that
[55:00] statement. Fr enough. Whyot
[55:04] act on the permanent chiers
[55:05] in advance If you knew tt?
[55:06] That
[55:07] s where we
[55:08] reoing the
[55:10] ole time. I, I
[55:11] m kin of
[55:12] baffled by this. Usually in the
[55:14] ornary cours you
[55:15] reoing
[55:16] to purche a property. You
[55:17] d
[55:18] purchase it on ctingency,
[55:19] you
[55:20] d go tohe city, y
[55:21] d
[55:22] say,e
[55:23] re going toave this
[55:24] iling cooling system. We
[55:24] re
[55:25] going toeed to add permanent
[55:26] coolero t system. And and
[55:28] you kw, we
[55:29] ll want t know
[55:30] whathe process is f adding
[55:32] that. Ande bui it all into
[55:35] the same process y insad
[55:37] are and by the w, y don
[55:39] t
[55:40] make the city awa ofhe
[55:41] permanen chillers a the
[55:43] permanent cller plans unt
[55:46] the mdle of Mch. Right.
[55:47] Think that
[55:50] s correct. Our our
[55:51] understanding was that the
[55:53] perment chillers a simply
[55:54] rt of theechanical sysm
[55:56] of the building. And at most,
[55:57] what w needed w a buiing
[55:59] permit. At most, what we need
[56:01] was a building permit too
[56:03] stall andonnect these. The
[56:05] replacemt chiers. We kept
[56:07] building pmitsll theime.
[56:09] The cy issues building
[56:10] permits all the time. It
[56:11] s not
[56:13] a land use permit. It
[56:14] s not a
[56:14] ning pert. It
[56:16] s auilding
[56:17] permit. It
[56:17] s an objective
[56:21] andard that the city city.
[56:22] Youon
[56:23] t look athe zoning,
[56:24] you don
[56:25] look at t zoning
[56:26] indications and realize, oh,
[56:27] shoot, there
[56:28] s something out o
[56:29] whack here because outdoor
[56:30] store isot allowedn major
[56:31] office resrch and
[56:32] development.
[56:33] Well we disagehat thiss
[56:36] outdr storage MR. Mayor.
[56:37] Okay.
[56:39] And the permant cllers are
[56:40] going to have wall around
[56:45] them. And if.
[56:47] I really, really quick
[56:48] question
[56:49] Yeah, yea I
[56:50] ll, I
[56:51] ll let.
[56:52] You take itn a dovetail on
[56:53] that. There was a building
[56:54] permit granted for the
[56:56] teorary wall in order to
[56:57] mitiga the temporary pblem.
[57:00] Correct. Was there a buiing
[57:02] permit graed for the outdoor
[57:05] chillers? Okay, s if what I
[57:06] m
[57:07] having a proem with isf the
[57:09] argunt I ts is a outdoor
[57:10] storagt
[57:10] s an improvement to
[57:12] e building. How could that
[57:13] haveccurred without a
[57:15] buding permit? I it
[57:16] s not
[57:17] outdoor storage a it
[57:18] s an
[57:19] expansion or an aertinence to
[57:21] the blding itself, that would
[57:22] reque a building permit,
[57:23] because tt
[57:24] s a substantial
[57:24] change of t use and t
[57:26] footprint.
[57:27] We
[57:28] re not changing the
[57:29] footprint. Cncilember
[57:31] kken not changin the
[57:32] otprint of the blding.
[57:35] Well, the the I, Iuess I
[57:35] m
[57:36] saying I
[57:37] m having aard time
[57:39] understanding how you can he
[57:39] it bot ways. It
[57:40] either
[57:42] outdoor storage of eipment or
[57:44] s an expansi of o the
[57:45] equipment that
[57:46] s pertinent to
[57:47] the building, in which case
[57:48] you
[57:49] d need some type of oer
[57:50] perm.
[57:51] MR. Mor.
[57:54] Councian.He the. Tempory
[57:55] chillers requid.
[57:56] A mechanical.
[57:58] Permit to connect them.
[58:00] To connect them to the
[58:05] building. Andtaffctually
[58:07] found out b accident. Tse
[58:09] we there theyre. In terms
[58:10] ofhether they
[58:11] reutdoor
[58:12] storage, they are they are
[58:13] mobile. They
[58:14] on Flatbeds.
[58:15] They are not pernently
[58:16] connecte to the building.
[58:17] They
[58:18] reonnected b you know,
[58:19] you saw the ptures sort of
[58:22] orangeoses. Theytaff. We
[58:23] interpret o zoningrdinance.
[58:24] The city ierprets. This I
[58:27] outdoor storage. They did
[58:29] require a mechanical permit to
[58:32] coect thato the buildg.
[58:33] They did fileor that
[58:36] chanicalermit. Hower,
[58:37] whene started recving nse
[58:38] colaints the e of FEBRUARY,
[58:40] we we went out to theite,
[58:42] reized that thohose
[58:44] temporary chillers we
[58:46] operational prior toeceiving
[58:48] that mechanical pert, which
[58:53] isnusual. At tt point, w
[58:55] we had aeady with the I,
[58:58] said they need some provi a
[58:59] noise study. We saw this
[59:01] equipment there, realized tha
[59:02] we
[59:03] ll probably mak noise. It
[59:04] s
[59:06] not srounded by wls like a
[59:09] rmanent system would be. We
[59:11] required a noisetudy wh
[59:13] thei iup. Once we saw their
[59:14] operational, weaturally
[59:16] formed themo the building
[59:16] official that you can
[59:18] t be
[59:19] operating these without a
[59:21] mechanical permit.Kay. They
[59:24] chose not to cease operations.
[59:25] Did strongly recommend they
[59:26] submit a noise study prior to
[59:28] th apec meeti, whichas at
[59:29] that point wascheduled f
[59:33] Marc 19th.E continue to
[59:34] ceive complaints from the
[59:38] public We g the results of
[59:39] th noise study back, wch
[59:41] said that, in fact, the
[59:44] chlers exceed.
[59:47] Yep. So I mean, I guess thiss
[59:48] soy. I
[59:49] m gng.
[59:51] To keep gng. No, no.
[59:51] Please go. This is a question
[59:53] for our city attorney. I mn,
[59:53] there
[59:56] s diffence between
[59:58] portable property and items
[1:00:00] at are an attack, an
[1:00:01] attachme to the blt. Those
[1:00:04] rooftop units are considered an
[1:00:05] improvemen and an attachment
[1:00:09] to the building stuffhat
[1:00:11] plug in and can be haud away
[1:00:12] is not considered permanent
[1:00:15] imovemento the buildin
[1:00:17] MR. Mayor, COUNCILMAN, my lal
[1:00:18] opion would be thi is.
[1:00:20] Outside storagend they wou
[1:00:21] need an iup. This I what they
[1:00:23] applied for Theup, that
[1:00:24] s
[1:00:25] the actionefore youonight.
[1:00:26] Okay. That was the
[1:00:27] clarification I nded. Tha
[1:00:30] you.
[1:00:31] Iuess what I
[1:00:32] m trying to get
[1:00:39] to is I They were on Flatbeds.
[1:00:40] It
[1:00:41] secause they
[1:00:43] re tporary
[1:00:44] But you
[1:00:45] re saying you thought
[1:00:46] that theyere permanent, are
[1:00:48] in your world. Does does
[1:00:50] permanent constructio arrive
[1:00:51] onlatbeds and stayn
[1:00:52] Flatbeds
[1:00:53] I
[1:00:54] noture what you
[1:00:55] re. Wha
[1:00:57] wh? Your question is, MR.
[1:00:58] Mayor.
[1:00:59] I
[1:01:00] m trying t understand the
[1:01:03] timing between t perception
[1:01:09] ofhese four chillerss
[1:01:12] structural mhanics and the
[1:01:16] decisi instead to go outnd
[1:01:20] look for 8 or 9 chillers and
[1:01:21] ame those as somehow
[1:01:24] perment, and tn comeack
[1:01:25] on t back side and say, n
[1:01:27] no,o, these these are
[1:01:29] tually temporary
[1:01:31] ah. You MAY there MAY be a
[1:01:33] MISS. You MAY not clearly
[1:01:35] understand the facts
[1:01:36] Well, I
[1:01:37] m if Ion
[1:01:38] t clearly
[1:01:39] understand the facts I think
[1:01:40] I
[1:01:41] m, I have help in that..
[1:01:42] The goal w to provide
[1:01:44] rmanent cllers. Weidn
[1:01:45] t
[1:01:47] have thebility to obtn
[1:01:49] permanent chillers in the time
[1:01:51] necessary to sercehe
[1:01:54] property So on a interim
[1:01:59] basis, we cated a system for
[1:02:01] temporary chiers. They
[1:02:02] re
[1:02:03] going to behere until they
[1:02:04] re
[1:02:05] not needed anymore, at which
[1:02:06] point they
[1:02:07] ll be replad by
[1:02:10] permanent chillers in a in a in
[1:02:14] a masonry sucture tha will
[1:02:18] bo hide them from view and
[1:02:19] and deal with any noise
[1:02:23] concerns. It was I was an
[1:02:26] interim. Itas an ierim need
[1:02:27] that we filled. I
[1:02:28] m not.
[1:02:29] That
[1:02:30] not the way. That
[1:02:31] s not
[1:02:32] e way that you prented it.
[1:02:33] You presented it a thisas a
[1:02:34] mechanal pt of the
[1:02:37] building,nd I was t replace
[1:02:39] the existing cooli structure
[1:02:40] ich we thought we h taken
[1:02:43] care of by these fr chiller
[1:02:44] No, I don
[1:02:45] t think I don
[1:02:46] t think
[1:02:47] that
[1:02:47] s correct
[1:02:48] characterizaon. Our rooftop
[1:02:50] illers are rooop chillers.
[1:02:51] We
[1:02:52] re not going to work.
[1:02:54] And assume that Issume that
[1:02:55] you knew that at some point
[1:02:56] early on inhe process.
[1:02:57] Well, at some point,e knew
[1:02:58] that they were n going to
[1:02:59] work, wheth they had ather
[1:03:01] useful lif of two years, three
[1:03:02] ars, five yrs, ten years. I
[1:03:03] don
[1:03:04] t kw the answer to that,
[1:03:07] t those chierseeded toe
[1:03:08] replac. Now we hadome
[1:03:09] chces. We could have replace
[1:03:12] them with on theoof with
[1:03:14] exact same chillers.
[1:03:15] So why didn
[1:03:16] t you let me ask
[1:03:17] you that? Whyidn
[1:03:18] t you do
[1:03:19] th? Why do we go thiay?
[1:03:20] Because we had roundabout
[1:03:21] route.
[1:03:22] We thoug the cit would
[1:03:23] prefers not to be using 2.7
[1:03:24] llion gallons of water a
[1:03:25] year.
[1:03:26] Thes are. Did y ask the
[1:03:27] city?
[1:03:29] Would the question be. Would
[1:03:30] the answere different?
[1:03:31] I
[1:03:32] m notsking wha the answer
[1:03:33] would haveeen. Did yousk
[1:03:34] the city aut this?Ou
[1:03:35] re
[1:03:36] clearly in aonundrum. And you
[1:03:37] didn
[1:03:38] t think to reach o to
[1:03:39] theity and say what are you
[1:03:40] guys think abo this? You jt
[1:03:41] assud what their answe would
[1:03:42] be.
[1:03:43] I don
[1:03:44] t think that was an iss
[1:03:45] th we needed to tal to t
[1:03:46] citybout. I think the answe
[1:03:47] pretty obvus, which is
[1:03:48] ey
[1:03:49] re environmeally safe,
[1:03:50] they
[1:03:51] re environntally
[1:03:52] friend. Theyeplace an
[1:03:53] outmoded, environmental
[1:03:55] unfriendly system. I
[1:03:56] m n sure
[1:03:57] who at ts table woulduggest
[1:03:59] thate ought totay wit it,
[1:04:00] but I
[1:04:02] ll if, if, if, if it is
[1:04:06] your pference that that we
[1:04:10] abandon thislan and itall
[1:04:13] traditional oime chillers
[1:04:15] back onhe roof, we could
[1:04:16] certainly look.
[1:04:17] At it. I
[1:04:18] s not I don
[1:04:19] my
[1:04:21] concern is, I think, quite
[1:04:22] frankly, it
[1:04:23] s feeling to me
[1:04:24] like you did
[1:04:25] t ask qstions
[1:04:25] because you didn
[1:04:26] t want the
[1:04:28] answers. And, and andhat I
[1:04:29] m
[1:04:30] feeling le is tt different
[1:04:31] things emerge at difrent
[1:04:33] tis in this timele. And
[1:04:34] that
[1:04:34] s a lot of wha
[1:04:35] s
[1:04:36] confing it. And it
[1:04:36] s
[1:04:38] decisions to make assptions
[1:04:39] based on the idea that it
[1:04:40] s
[1:04:41] your opion thatou don
[1:04:42] t
[1:04:42] need something a opposed to
[1:04:43] aski the city and followi
[1:04:45] th legal pross, or at least
[1:04:50] a tradional process And so,
[1:04:52] MR. Mayor allhat aside. So
[1:04:53] let
[1:04:54] s.
[1:04:55] Le me just mak an analogy
[1:04:56] MR. Mayor, if if I buy a singl
[1:04:58] milyot fromennar Homes,
[1:05:00] correct. And it
[1:05:01] zed as
[1:05:03] single familt
[1:05:04] s all the
[1:05:06] areas around it are singl
[1:05:08] family. A I look at your
[1:05:09] zoning map and it
[1:05:10] s r, I
[1:05:11] m
[1:05:12] probably not going to come I
[1:05:15] andsk t city for permission
[1:05:17] or its onion as to wheth or
[1:05:19] not I am allowed to use that
[1:05:20] property for residential
[1:05:23] purposes.Nd in this case, w
[1:05:24] had a building tt had been
[1:05:26] used as a data center.
[1:05:27] No no no n no no no. Y just
[1:05:28] talked aboutou justalked to
[1:05:29] me about and I
[1:05:30] ll get to you in
[1:05:31] one sond. Yes. Yeah. The
[1:05:32] vetails. You just you just
[1:05:34] aske me.Ou just sd that
[1:05:35] yo would check the zoning and
[1:05:40] guing right? And that you
[1:05:41] wouldn
[1:05:42] come in and a for a
[1:05:43] difference I the zoning
[1:05:44] guiding was wha you looked at.
[1:05:45] T you
[1:05:46] re telli me that you
[1:05:48] ca into you bough a property
[1:05:53] at I r&d, that is not data
[1:05:56] only pririly, and that you
[1:05:57] didn
[1:05:57] t a the questn.
[1:05:59] Your factsre wrong. Itas
[1:06:01] data primarily. It was not da.
[1:06:02] Another.
[1:06:03] Service counselor, spin, I let
[1:06:04] you take Mr.Ayor of this.
[1:06:05] Actually a question of.
[1:06:09] Aff and it actually you did a
[1:06:11] great segue for me oningle
[1:06:13] family homes inn r-1 district.
[1:06:15] Most inur are hav a
[1:06:17] detached gager detached
[1:06:18] gage tt you park your car
[1:06:20] in. That
[1:06:21] s an accessory use to
[1:06:25] the home, crect. So if I were
[1:06:27] to buy atheringle fily
[1:06:29] home in my nghborhood and
[1:06:30] say, you knowhat,
[1:06:31] m jt
[1:06:33] goingo parkarsn this lot.
[1:06:34] No o
[1:06:35] s going to live there.
[1:06:36] It
[1:06:37] s goi to just be my
[1:06:38] fries myself. I
[1:06:39] rent it
[1:06:40] out a just park cars there
[1:06:41] because it
[1:06:42] s bn useds a
[1:06:46] gage everince itas built.
[1:06:49] Would that be a permitted use
[1:06:52] for that pperty so no one
[1:06:54] lives there? It
[1:06:55] snly being
[1:06:56] usedor storing cars.
[1:06:58] MR. Mor, council members
[1:06:58] subpoena. Tha
[1:06:59] s aost an
[1:07:01] exac analogy that I talked
[1:07:02] out with community
[1:07:04] developmt Hutmacher a few
[1:07:05] days agohat similarly, if
[1:07:07] soone owned a hou with a
[1:07:09] garagend they deced t rent
[1:07:11] out the space in their garage
[1:07:13] and then move from the property
[1:07:14] with tt be vlating the
[1:07:16] code and I would say, yes,
[1:07:16] that they
[1:07:17] re just basically
[1:07:19] usg it f stora off
[1:07:20] personal.
[1:07:21] Property.
[1:07:21] Even though tha garage eve
[1:07:22] bein used for years ago.
[1:07:23] But if they
[1:07:24] not occupying it
[1:07:25] emselves, I would I would
[1:07:26] milarly see it similar.
[1:07:28] Got it. Okay. Thank you.
[1:07:29] Council membe I
[1:07:30] morry.
[1:07:32] Just just gohead.
[1:07:33] Ju to build on that a ltle
[1:07:34] bi You said during your
[1:07:38] esentation that t accessory
[1:07:40] use or seconry use,ou know,
[1:07:41] e trational use is that
[1:07:42] ther was a data center or
[1:07:45] mputing cenr.T was a
[1:07:48] enterprise data center
[1:07:50] supptive of the main use o
[1:07:52] the prorty, whichas
[1:07:54] search and development.Nd
[1:07:55] one point, thought you
[1:07:56] heard you say that. Wel up t
[1:07:59] 49% of the usef the building
[1:08:02] could be the accsory use. But
[1:08:04] itegs the qstion, that
[1:08:05] s
[1:08:05] only I there
[1:08:06] sn existing
[1:08:07] imary use. That
[1:08:08] a use
[1:08:09] that
[1:08:10] s within the guiding and
[1:08:12] zong for the purpose. So if
[1:08:14] more than 49% of it I being
[1:08:16] usedor wt was supposed to
[1:08:18] be the sondary use, or if a
[1:08:19] ceain portion o it
[1:08:20] s being
[1:08:21] used,ut the rest of the
[1:08:22] building is emptynd
[1:08:22] undetilized, that doesn
[1:08:24] t
[1:08:25] seem to fit our standards. Or
[1:08:27] am Iistaken on that?
[1:08:28] MR.. Mter mayor, Council
[1:08:30] member backing that? That
[1:08:31] s
[1:08:32] correct. I mn, that is really
[1:08:34] the zoning question of policy
[1:08:35] beforeou. If there
[1:08:36] s not an
[1:08:37] occupant occupying the offic
[1:08:39] building, is there reall then
[1:08:41] a principal u that
[1:08:42] s takg
[1:08:43] place withi the pperty?Nd
[1:08:44] is it just only the data
[1:08:45] center?
[1:08:46] At some point, the the
[1:08:48] accessory use,ou know, the
[1:08:50] tail srts toag the d and
[1:08:51] it becomes the pmary use.
[1:08:53] Yeah. Okay. So the other
[1:08:55] question Iad related to iep
[1:08:57] is and I already know the
[1:08:58] answer t the question, but
[1:08:59] hypothetically, wld we
[1:09:02] entertain an iep in an
[1:09:04] industrial zone to introduce
[1:09:06] resideial houng? Or does
[1:09:08] that cngehe naturef the
[1:09:10] guiding and the underlying
[1:09:11] guidg and zong of the
[1:09:13] property so muc that it
[1:09:14] s not
[1:09:15] reallyppropriate for an iep?
[1:09:17] Because b granting the iup,
[1:09:18] you would fundantally change
[1:09:19] the nature of the u of the
[1:09:21] property.
[1:09:22] Mr.Ayor, Councilmber back
[1:09:23] and correct, we wou not
[1:09:26] entertain an iep to introduce a
[1:09:27] permanent useike single
[1:09:28] familyousing andndustrial
[1:09:29] ea.
[1:09:30] But if sebody instedn
[1:09:31] aski the question, we
[1:09:32] det
[1:09:34] th file f the iep. But the
[1:09:36] answer would be what? What
[1:09:36] logically be no.
[1:09:38] Yeah And the proper
[1:09:39] applicatn wld be t regard
[1:09:41] a reze theroperty.
[1:09:43] Okay. Iight have mor
[1:09:44] questions later, b that
[1:09:45] s
[1:09:46] good for now
[1:09:47] I
[1:09:50] ll l meet aside the
[1:09:51] ning issues. W
[1:09:51] re going to
[1:09:52] have some disagementsnd
[1:09:53] we
[1:09:54] just have to agr to
[1:09:56] disaee. I gue on the on the
[1:09:58] noise migation. I mean, I
[1:09:58] m
[1:09:59] I
[1:10:00] troubledy the
[1:10:03] inallation of the We
[1:10:04] ll just
[1:10:05] call them the four chiers.
[1:10:06] Don
[1:10:07] t know if there were
[1:10:09] envisioned asermanent time or
[1:10:10] temporary, a I don
[1:10:10] t wt to
[1:10:12] getack on that argent. But
[1:10:14] at the time ofhe installatio.
[1:10:22] What was the the the the
[1:10:24] reasong behind installing
[1:10:26] them andot having concern
[1:10:29] about about noise in the
[1:10:32] surrounding area? I mea help
[1:10:34] me out with tha
[1:10:35] i think the assumion w that
[1:10:36] they would mee theoise
[1:10:39] standards.
[1:10:47] Okay.Mpressive I wt to
[1:10:52] talk about the noise. Studi
[1:10:54] th were don, my
[1:11:00] understandg thumbnail is.
[1:11:05] Installed t. The the fr
[1:11:10] chlers and the timelinoes
[1:11:12] for chillers on site. Not yet
[1:11:17] operational.Ity informs iron
[1:11:23] gate Need for a iup.Ron
[1:11:26] gate in beten that
[1:11:28] notification and actual
[1:11:31] applationor the I starts
[1:11:33] to operate thehillers without
[1:11:38] the permit and ands a resul
[1:11:41] of conces expressed o passed
[1:11:43] onrom the city to your
[1:11:45] applican the noise issue
[1:11:47] comesp only after you
[1:11:48] ve
[1:11:50] started Opetionorrect.
[1:11:53] I all I recl is tha the
[1:11:56] noise issue was part of the iup
[1:11:58] plication that we were
[1:12:02] requeste to make.
[1:12:06] MR.. Schultz Mike. Wl, when
[1:12:08] we when y informed, you
[1:12:10] informed thepplicant.
[1:12:12] Informed the sta. Informed
[1:12:13] I can
[1:12:13] t rememr for mysf,
[1:12:14] r one of my staff informed
[1:12:15] the.
[1:12:16] Applicant andas that was that
[1:12:18] was w that as result of
[1:12:20] noise complaints from the
[1:12:22] operation or from observati
[1:12:24] the cooleeing on site?
[1:12:25] The initial contact w
[1:12:27] obrvation of the chiers on
[1:12:28] site.
[1:12:29] Ay. And at that pnt, we
[1:12:30] don
[1:12:30] tnow. That opetion
[1:12:31] started.
[1:12:32] At thatoint. Wead notnown
[1:12:33] operations staed.
[1:12:34] And had weeceived any noise
[1:12:35] complaints.
[1:12:36] Not up until that point.
[1:12:39] No Okay. Wn did t know
[1:12:41] when did the chills become
[1:12:42] operant?
[1:12:43] I don
[1:12:43] t kno the I don
[1:12:44] t know
[1:12:47] the date. Sometime aftere had
[1:12:48] be informed that weeeded an
[1:12:51] iup.
[1:12:54] Okay. So noise wasn
[1:12:54] t part of
[1:12:57] the conversatn of the I
[1:12:59] untilhe cllersctually
[1:13:01] started operang, corre?
[1:13:02] Correct. And the receiving
[1:13:04] complaints,oise cplaints
[1:13:05] over the weend fro fm
[1:13:06] the chillers.
[1:13:09] Okay. So the resnse to noi
[1:13:10] colaints is to do a noise
[1:13:12] study. Correct.
[1:13:13] Y that again please.
[1:13:15] Th the the response to the
[1:13:19] noise cplaints was to do a
[1:13:21] noise sdy.
[1:13:23] We did a noise study because
[1:13:27] the IUPequired it..
[1:13:28] Does t IUPequire it Mic or
[1:13:29] did we pas along the concern
[1:13:30] about noise.
[1:13:33] Ah Mary. Yeah we we we did
[1:13:34] ask for the noise study
[1:13:36] followg theubmittal of the
[1:13:39] iup applicaon becau of the
[1:13:40] ar or concerns for noise
[1:13:42] generated from that. Those
[1:13:43] compints receid from
[1:13:46] resident certain supported
[1:13:47] the nd for aoise study as
[1:13:48] rt of the applicati.
[1:13:50] Okay Soe do a noise stu
[1:13:53] without strucral migation
[1:13:55] of noise t t to to lev
[1:13:56] set,orrect?
[1:13:58] Yes. In fact, I thinkhe noise
[1:14:00] study wompleted prior to
[1:14:02] e time tt the installation
[1:14:04] operation began because it was
[1:14:05] done based on the
[1:14:08] specifications that tra gives
[1:14:12] and notot o not on theasis
[1:14:14] of, of actl oration that
[1:14:17] came lat.
[1:14:18] That doe
[1:14:19] t.
[1:14:19] An can you explain that
[1:14:22] little me? Sure.
[1:14:25] The. More science than I
[1:14:28] understand, but but noise
[1:14:30] studs are oftenmes based on
[1:14:35] a model of wha what noiill
[1:14:37] come out of these machines.
[1:14:38] That dsn
[1:14:39] t en depend on the
[1:14:40] machines being operative. They
[1:14:42] take the specificaonshe
[1:14:44] ain pvides, and it says
[1:14:47] they hav the, the the noise
[1:14:49] engineers have these mels and
[1:14:51] they say bedn this day
[1:14:52] time,t should b this
[1:14:53] nightte, it.
[1:14:54] Should be this tnel. This
[1:14:54] sty wasn
[1:14:55] todeled. There
[1:14:56] were monits, the were noise
[1:14:58] monitors moniting decibel
[1:14:58] levels.
[1:15:00] The the first study the fir
[1:15:03] port did not w based solely
[1:15:07] uponhe specifications monitor
[1:15:11] then. And they indicated tha
[1:15:12] we were goingo need some
[1:15:14] noise migation just based on
[1:15:15] the specs. A tha
[1:15:16] s when w
[1:15:19] arted t process toesign
[1:15:21] and install the sound barriers
[1:15:23] d the scaffolng.
[1:15:25] Th material that you submitt
[1:15:29] talked aboutour locations
[1:15:31] arnd the buildg. Onene of
[1:15:32] them, I belve it wasocation
[1:15:34] two that was on the east side
[1:15:34] the building, rig next to
[1:15:37] Pilot Knob. Ather one was up
[1:15:39] closer o the north. Thatas,
[1:15:40] I belve, two. There were
[1:15:42] three and four tha were o the
[1:15:43] west and the south side of the
[1:15:45] budings. Tho were actual
[1:15:46] monitors. They weren
[1:15:47] t, as far
[1:15:48] as I understand. They weren
[1:15:49] t
[1:15:49] models. They were actual
[1:15:53] monitors picking up noise.
[1:15:55] Ther were two noise studies
[1:15:56] ne.
[1:15:56] I underand tha
[1:15:58] Firstne wasone on a model,
[1:16:00] and that model required based
[1:16:03] on the city standards. And and
[1:16:04] . Schultz can tell m if I
[1:16:05] m
[1:16:06] wrong.Ity standards says you
[1:16:08] ve to. D you have to model
[1:16:09] this You have to pvide a
[1:16:13] noise sdy within 500 o
[1:16:14] 1000ft of every boundary of the
[1:16:17] property. So the model then
[1:16:19] take those pointsromhe
[1:16:21] boundaes of theroperty into
[1:16:23] consideration andreates the
[1:16:24] nois study basedn that
[1:16:28] model. Tn on the secon noise
[1:16:31] udy, actua monitors were
[1:16:32] put..
[1:16:35] .O tell me then, how is it
[1:16:37] that I read a document today
[1:16:38] that talked about that, tt
[1:16:41] thatalked about before the
[1:16:43] insulated walls, noise
[1:16:46] asurements being taken
[1:16:48] throughout a 24 hour, ateast
[1:16:50] 124 houeriod, if not two
[1:16:53] The model requires the nse
[1:16:54] measurements ofhat? Of what
[1:16:57] th existing noise is bore
[1:17:01] thenstallation. S without
[1:17:03] they they they get a basele.
[1:17:04] If I understand the technogy
[1:17:06] correctly of what the noise is,
[1:17:08] where the noi isoming fro
[1:17:11] th they use that a the, as
[1:17:13] the sort of control for
[1:17:15] applying the market.
[1:17:18] I. I thi we
[1:17:19] re tking about
[1:17:20] the same thi. I don
[1:17:21] t I d
[1:17:21] t
[1:17:22] the moding language to me is
[1:17:24] no appropriate here. There was
[1:17:26] actually a sdy don befor
[1:17:29] the wal were put up that
[1:17:31] incated thatas tak.
[1:17:34] Mples over a 24 hr perio
[1:17:36] ateast one.Orrect.
[1:17:39] Not samples of the genator.
[1:17:41] Noise sampl of the.
[1:17:42] What is thi document up here?
[1:17:44] What is tt? Wha whatoes
[1:17:44] at tell me?
[1:17:45] That
[1:17:46] s that
[1:17:46] s his. That
[1:17:47] s that
[1:17:50] was baspon the baseline
[1:17:53] noise monitoring, but not bed
[1:17:57] on the theoise fro the
[1:17:59] nerator, though that first
[1:18:01] studyas simplased un t
[1:18:05] specificionss apped.
[1:18:07] When washis? When was thi
[1:18:08] study done? What was the date
[1:18:14] the study was done on?
[1:18:16] I think the first study was
[1:18:20] done onarch 6th.
[1:18:21] Okay.
[1:18:23] MR. MAY.
[1:18:25] Issued a report on Marchth.
[1:18:26] They issued a report on MARCH
[1:18:29] 6th. Wn were the when? So are
[1:18:30] you suggestin that we
[1:18:30] re not
[1:18:31] measuremen doner thereere
[1:18:33] measurents donet this time?
[1:18:35] M suggestin tre were there
[1:18:37] were baseline msurements of
[1:18:39] the sound of the neighborhd
[1:18:41] at tt time. And it is against
[1:18:43] thos measurements that the
[1:18:45] modeli occs..
[1:18:46] Were the chillers operational
[1:18:47] at the time?
[1:18:48] I d
[1:18:49] t believe so, my lor
[1:18:50] Mr. MAY.
[1:18:52] Wellet me.O I
[1:18:53] m goi to
[1:18:53] I
[1:18:54] m going to I
[1:18:54] m going t fp
[1:18:56] om this stu and
[1:18:57] ll just
[1:19:00] be clear. The way this document
[1:19:02] res to me doesot je wit
[1:19:03] what y
[1:19:07] re suggestin.Nd I
[1:19:07] think it
[1:19:07] s an important
[1:19:10] comparison. This offers
[1:19:13] specific tes and weather
[1:19:15] condions, resulting I what
[1:19:17] appears to be a msurement,
[1:19:19] not a theoreticodeling, but
[1:19:22] an actual measurement. And this
[1:19:23] appears toe to tak place
[1:19:29] over4ours a hou long
[1:19:30] intervals. I
[1:19:30] m not se what
[1:19:31] happens in the in the
[1:19:34] inteeningour. On Febary
[1:19:37] 26th. When do we start
[1:19:39] receivg noise complaints?
[1:19:40] The fir.
[1:19:40] One.
[1:19:43] MR. MAY, tirstomplaint
[1:19:44] was sent to us onebruary
[1:19:45] th.
[1:19:51] Ok so, so so the fir time
[1:19:52] we got a noise complaint was
[1:19:53] e 28th corre? We don
[1:19:54] t kw
[1:19:56] for support You, you you can
[1:19:56] t
[1:19:57] say when these went
[1:19:57] operationa
[1:19:58] Ion
[1:19:59] t don
[1:19:59] t have that
[1:20:00] informationkay.
[1:20:02] Suffe suffice to s that
[1:20:05] FEBRUARY 26th and Februar 28th
[1:20:06] aren somewt clo
[1:20:09] proxity.Omewhere in the,
[1:20:11] maybe in between the 26th and
[1:20:12] the 28th, the chiller went
[1:20:15] operatnal or they wer
[1:20:16] operatiol before. We don
[1:20:17] t
[1:20:17] know. That
[1:20:23] sine. Now, with
[1:20:26] this level o detailed data,
[1:20:27] can youelp me? Can youelp
[1:20:29] explain? When I go to the APRIL
[1:20:34] thound sdy, ws that
[1:20:41] sound study limited? To the
[1:20:45] ur o to 4 in the morning
[1:20:48] instead of 24 hour period.
[1:20:50] Firsy.
[1:20:50] I
[1:20:51] m not I
[1:20:52] m not technical
[1:20:54] qualified to answer that
[1:20:56] qution. My speculaon is
[1:20:59] at because theesting f
[1:21:02] the oth hours ofhe day met
[1:21:05] the require standards,hat
[1:21:07] what we were focusing on were
[1:21:09] therea at times of the day
[1:21:10] en the sndardsere not
[1:21:11] being met.
[1:21:13] Okay. If you
[1:21:14] ll nice, beten
[1:21:15] this document and the one we
[1:21:18] d up before, the fir one
[1:21:22] showed 24 hours also showed
[1:21:26] weather conditions very, very
[1:21:29] specifico the times. This o
[1:21:30] incles no reference to
[1:21:33] weher conditions at the time.
[1:21:34] Why is that?
[1:21:35] I c
[1:21:36] t awer those specific
[1:21:38] chnical queions. I
[1:21:39] m not.
[1:21:40] I
[1:21:42] m not a sound engineer
[1:21:44] Okay, Couilor Bakken o
[1:21:45] somebo else here.
[1:21:47] I he some related questns
[1:21:49] abt noise and MAY for staff
[1:21:52] on ts chart, the locations
[1:21:55] one through s, were they on
[1:21:57] the subject propertyr I the
[1:22:00] surroundg neighborhoo?
[1:22:01] Mr. Mor, Councilmeer Bh,
[1:22:02] andy understanding is that
[1:22:04] noise studi have to be done
[1:22:06] at the receiving property lin
[1:22:08] at theearest point, not not
[1:22:09] on the subject propey, but at
[1:22:10] e receiver, rig at the
[1:22:10] prerty line.
[1:22:12] Ay. And can can you elain
[1:22:14] to me the diffence betwe a
[1:22:15] nac one and an act three
[1:22:16] receiver?
[1:22:17] Sohere
[1:22:18] s classificatn land
[1:22:19] use classificionshat fall
[1:22:22] into the nac one, nac two, nac
[1:22:25] ree, NACne is resential,
[1:22:25] and so that
[1:22:27] s where can
[1:22:28] certainly bng up aap that
[1:22:29] showsp. But tha
[1:22:29] s
[1:22:30] resideial. The nac three I
[1:22:32] believe, is institutialnd
[1:22:35] pa related land us. So that
[1:22:36] nac three, where the Srry
[1:22:38] Tower is at I tnk ishe nac
[1:22:38] thre
[1:22:44] Ok. A thehehe noise
[1:22:48] mits promulged by the p
[1:22:50] are certainly good guidance,
[1:22:53] but is the city allow to
[1:22:55] exerci common sense whent
[1:22:57] comeso sound, a
[1:22:58] particularly sinceound is
[1:23:01] very compl and dending o
[1:23:02] the frequcy andow it
[1:23:03] s
[1:23:04] being reflected and different
[1:23:06] soces emittin theame sound
[1:23:07] wavean create interferometr
[1:23:08] So you
[1:23:09] ve got peaks and troughs
[1:23:11] ere the waves cancel.Ou can
[1:23:12] have locations in a certain
[1:23:13] spot, o it
[1:23:14] sctually muc
[1:23:16] loud I terms o decibel tha
[1:23:18] what you measure even0ft to
[1:23:21] side. How muc leeway doe the
[1:23:24] ty have to be mor stringe,
[1:23:25] or try to apply common sense
[1:23:27] standards beyond what the pca
[1:23:29] mightequire through a vy
[1:23:32] mimal samplin?
[1:23:33] Llet the cityttorney
[1:23:34] addresshat.
[1:23:35] MR. Mayor. Couilmember
[1:23:36] Bachman, sta statutes does
[1:23:38] not permit you to b more
[1:23:40] stringent than the MPCa
[1:23:43] andards. Hing said that,
[1:23:45] the stu, you know, youave
[1:23:47] toompare ales to apples.
[1:23:47] At what you
[1:23:48] re doing.O, I
[1:23:48] mean that
[1:23:49] s it
[1:23:49] s a point in
[1:23:52] time at:00 I the morningn
[1:23:57] a 48 degree day. So it. You
[1:23:58] have residts that were athe
[1:23:59] planningommission tha spoke
[1:24:00] their home and o the
[1:24:02] vibrion, and tha
[1:24:03] s some
[1:24:05] compelli testimony. But
[1:24:06] agn, we
[1:24:06] re notn the
[1:24:07] busiss of going out and
[1:24:10] measuring noi. We
[1:24:10] d probably
[1:24:11] have t hire someone
[1:24:13] indepeent. Yeah.
[1:24:14] Iuess what I
[1:24:15] m getting at,
[1:24:16] though,s that t whole
[1:24:18] reason w have nse staards
[1:24:21] is becau of t impact on
[1:24:21] everydayeople
[1:24:23] s lives, and
[1:24:24] the noisetudies a certain
[1:24:27] an attempt to get to that. But
[1:24:28] cause of the complexityf
[1:24:30] sound waves and I
[1:24:30] ve
[1:24:31] exrienced it myself. I mean,
[1:24:32] ere
[1:24:32] s this thi called the
[1:24:34] Eagan hume think w kind of
[1:24:36] figured outhere it was, but
[1:24:37] my house just happens to be a
[1:24:39] a conveence point whe we
[1:24:41] ge the troughs ony side of
[1:24:42] th bed. You can heart. I
[1:24:43] s
[1:24:44] sur loud on my wife
[1:24:45] s se of
[1:24:45] the bed. You can
[1:24:46] t hea a
[1:24:47] thing. It
[1:24:48] s like what?
[1:24:49] You know.
[1:24:53] Foureet of differee. So
[1:24:54] it
[1:24:55] s it
[1:24:55] s a big bed.
[1:24:56] It
[1:24:58] s like sheet
[1:25:01] Nuff sd.
[1:25:03] King size bed California king.
[1:25:03] Don
[1:25:05] t think about I too much.
[1:25:06] Trying not to.
[1:25:08] T.
[1:25:08] I.
[1:25:09] I guess wt I
[1:25:10] m sing is
[1:25:12] that,ou know, thereas to b
[1:25:14] someype of bk end method
[1:25:16] forelief. Because I you
[1:25:16] ve
[1:25:19] got folks who, you know, again,
[1:25:21] sounds comex, it combines, it
[1:25:24] propagates in certain ways.
[1:25:25] They
[1:25:25] re against the side of the
[1:25:27] building. So the sound
[1:25:28] s not
[1:25:30] radiating inll directions.
[1:25:31] E sound that would normally
[1:25:33] go one way I beingeflected
[1:25:34] and comned with t sound
[1:25:36] going to the north, and it can
[1:25:38] do funny things. So when when
[1:25:40] people he acdotal stoes
[1:25:42] about the houseibrating.
[1:25:44] Yeah, ifou get jus the rig
[1:25:45] sonance frequency, I don
[1:25:46] know if the things are
[1:25:48] operating at, at 60Hz or, or
[1:25:49] whater, like a regular
[1:25:52] compreor, but y can get
[1:25:54] stctural resance and it c
[1:25:55] be a big issue forhe person
[1:25:56] who
[1:25:56] on the receiving end of
[1:25:57] it.
[1:25:58] Can youpen the wdows in
[1:25:59] your car just a littl bit, and
[1:26:01] suenly you get that the whole
[1:26:02] car starts rattling?
[1:26:03] Ye, it
[1:26:03] s the se kindf
[1:26:05] thing. Yeah.
[1:26:06] It
[1:26:06] s balanced.
[1:26:10] So I, I feel like more needso
[1:26:13] be don in terms o of if we
[1:26:15] even get there, mitigatinghe
[1:26:17] real impacts on peoe who are
[1:26:19] fected b the sound emitted
[1:26:21] from tse chillers. And MAY
[1:26:22] have more questions later about
[1:26:24] how we can get theref
[1:26:25] additionalonditions or
[1:26:26] something lik that.
[1:26:29] But I.
[1:26:31] At the end of the day, you you
[1:26:33] ke measurents at six
[1:26:35] differentpots. It
[1:26:36] s hpful,
[1:26:36] but it doesn
[1:26:38] t tl you how
[1:26:39] affected residents are actually
[1:26:41] experiencinghe noise.
[1:26:43] And I just had one more
[1:26:44] queson. Then I
[1:26:45] .
[1:26:45] Ge
[1:26:46] Back to you Councilmember But
[1:26:48] one more. Short line of
[1:26:52] questioning. I think. Misr
[1:26:54] Schultz reference the I
[1:26:54] ll
[1:26:55] refer to a the APRIL 27th
[1:26:57] study, ande agreed that
[1:26:58] s
[1:27:00] actuly atudy,lbeitn
[1:27:01] hour lg, b itas actual it
[1:27:02] sn
[1:27:02] t modeled. Corct?
[1:27:05] Correct. Okay. A coupl of
[1:27:12] questis abouthat. What w
[1:27:14] how many o the four chillers
[1:27:16] re in operaonnd at what
[1:27:17] level of opetion?
[1:27:19] My undstandinghat there
[1:27:20] were three chillers in
[1:27:21] operation, because that
[1:27:22] s t
[1:27:23] design. T fourth is oy for
[1:27:26] redundancy If one breaks down.
[1:27:27] My assumption is tt they were
[1:27:32] opering. They we operating.
[1:27:33] I c
[1:27:34] t tell you a what level
[1:27:36] Okay, so earlier, Ihink
[1:27:37] ring your preseation, you
[1:27:41] suested tt t the esting
[1:27:44] system had reaed t end o
[1:27:53] its life and that. That. In t
[1:27:57] in the for chiller approach.
[1:27:59] That three of the frhillers
[1:28:01] would need to be opeted
[1:28:03] dependent oneather
[1:28:05] conditions. Is that rht?
[1:28:05] That
[1:28:06] s corre.
[1:28:09] Ay. But you so y don
[1:28:10] t you
[1:28:12] ow that that thatou assume
[1:28:13] th three ofhe four were
[1:28:15] operational athe time on
[1:28:16] ril 27th, or y know, that.
[1:28:16] Three I don
[1:28:17] t know the awer
[1:28:17] to that question. I
[1:28:19] oy if.
[1:28:19] If so, you don
[1:28:20] . I just want
[1:28:21] to be cle. You don
[1:28:22] t knowor
[1:28:23] sure which ones were
[1:28:25] erational. And beyond that,
[1:28:26] you don
[1:28:27] t know at what level
[1:28:27] they wereperating.
[1:28:28] Correct. I c
[1:28:28] t tell y the
[1:28:30] opational spefics. We cld
[1:28:32] certainly ifft
[1:28:33] s theesire
[1:28:34] of the council to have
[1:28:36] additial noise studies have
[1:28:38] the tech o the engineer ce
[1:28:40] in, provide you additional
[1:28:41] informatio and you want to
[1:28:42] coinue this hearing forhat
[1:28:46] purpe. We think we think
[1:28:47] at
[1:28:49] d be just fine. Now, these
[1:28:50] temporary chillers are goi to
[1:28:52] there f a very tporary
[1:28:53] period of time, oy until the
[1:28:55] peanent come, and in wch
[1:28:56] case w have too the whole
[1:28:57] thing over with resct.
[1:28:59] And and when d the permanent
[1:29:01] commment?
[1:29:02] Rightow, we know tha they
[1:29:03] ll
[1:29:05] be in before the end of the six
[1:29:05] month perio that w
[1:29:06] re asking
[1:29:09] for the for the council to
[1:29:09] permit.
[1:29:10] And that
[1:29:11] all we canank on.
[1:29:11] Pardon me. Andhat
[1:29:12] s all w
[1:29:13] can bank on.
[1:29:13] I don
[1:29:15] t know thexact date
[1:29:16] that we put I operation.
[1:29:17] All rig. So so if awaed
[1:29:23] tonight. MR. Attorney, one
[1:29:24] would t if weward the
[1:29:25] interim permit tonight, one
[1:29:27] would it be effective to.
[1:29:29] X months, MR. Mor, six
[1:29:31] months fm tonight we would
[1:29:32] have approve
[1:29:34] The would woulde OCTOBER,
[1:29:35] vember,oughlyovember.
[1:29:38] Yeah Okay. Public schoolath.
[1:29:43] Sorry.Kay.
[1:29:44] Counciember speaking. Thank
[1:29:46] you. Actuall two questions,
[1:29:47] stly clarication. One
[1:29:49] actually is on aomment tha
[1:29:51] MR. Margolis just just said. So
[1:29:54] the second noi study, it
[1:29:55] sounds like the
[1:29:56] s unctainty
[1:29:57] of how my chiller are
[1:29:57] operating. Wldn
[1:29:58] t that be
[1:30:00] kind of essenti to a noise
[1:30:02] study?Ou know, howany of
[1:30:02] what
[1:30:03] operating when you
[1:30:03] re
[1:30:04] doing theoise study I mn,
[1:30:06] is is tha part o the study?
[1:30:07] Andt juste just doe
[1:30:07] t
[1:30:08] haen to have that iormation
[1:30:09] at his fingerts right now? Or
[1:30:10] was that never part of the
[1:30:12] study.
[1:30:14] MR. Mayor, Council memr
[1:30:16] subpoe I, I did point tt
[1:30:17] out inhe presentatio that
[1:30:18] that is auestion of this
[1:30:20] studyas, y know, therere
[1:30:21] some aects that come I
[1:30:23] question I mean,he 48 degree
[1:30:24] temperatur how my chiller
[1:30:25] does it reference, how many
[1:30:26] chillers wer actually I
[1:30:27] operatn athe time? So
[1:30:28] there
[1:30:28] s tre
[1:30:29] s a number of
[1:30:30] qutions. Still even with this
[1:30:30] study.
[1:30:32] Thank you.Nd then and I
[1:30:33] ll
[1:30:34] point of clafication onhe
[1:30:37] fit noise study, there was a
[1:30:38] t of discussion and I was
[1:30:39] ybe getting a little muddled.
[1:30:40] I just want t make sure I
[1:30:41] understand the first noise
[1:30:44] study. I soundsike it was a
[1:30:46] initial initi readings of
[1:30:47] what the neighboood is like
[1:30:48] when there
[1:30:50] no cllers in
[1:30:52] operation, justhe normal
[1:30:54] neighborhood that is the
[1:30:56] baseline. And thenou take the
[1:30:58] mol of these chillers and
[1:31:00] basilly orlay what com
[1:31:02] ou of the chillers spe over
[1:31:04] that baseline. And tt
[1:31:04] s that
[1:31:06] was wt compose t initial
[1:31:08] noise study. I that corre?
[1:31:11] Ye sir.Nd council member
[1:31:13] lookingt the report, the
[1:31:14] port does say that there were
[1:31:17] three operaonal chillers.
[1:31:18] I at.
[1:31:19] Ich time I
[1:31:21] d hazard a guess
[1:31:25] what level. B t tesng
[1:31:28] wasone based on what the cy
[1:31:30] asked the testing to be. So
[1:31:31] m
[1:31:33] my my guess is thathey were
[1:31:34] they were they were fired up
[1:31:37] and and were designed so tt
[1:31:38] we couldet an aurate tt
[1:31:39] of.
[1:31:39] What
[1:31:40] s goi on. Thank you.
[1:31:40] Thank you, Mr.Ayor.
[1:31:42] Just trying tonderstandhe
[1:31:43] technogy a ltle bit. These
[1:31:47] chillers are are they dledr
[1:31:49] ar they either 100 on and
[1:31:52] 100% off? C, younow, can
[1:31:54] they operateach individl
[1:31:56] chiller like half capacity and
[1:31:58] then dial up as the deman for
[1:31:59] cooling increases? Or are they
[1:32:01] litelly just on or on?
[1:32:01] Ihink they
[1:32:02] re on or off, b
[1:32:03] I don
[1:32:03] t I again, I
[1:32:04] m hazard a
[1:32:05] guess. I d
[1:32:05] t know the science
[1:32:06] behind I
[1:32:10] Okay.
[1:32:11] I, i
[1:32:14] m sure I have plenty more
[1:32:15] questions. I
[1:32:15] m not surehat
[1:32:16] s
[1:32:16] gog to get us anywhe right
[1:32:19] now. Maybe I
[1:32:19] ll, I
[1:32:19] ll Yeah.
[1:32:21] Councilmember bk and you can
[1:32:21] I
[1:32:25] m gna maybe headoo
[1:32:26] taking a rest hearing fm the
[1:32:28] fos who showedp tonight and
[1:32:30] then cing back and and
[1:32:31] workin this outore. But by
[1:32:32] all means, Cncilmember
[1:32:33] Canfield.
[1:32:34] Had a couple moreuestions
[1:32:35] about the chillersnd the
[1:32:37] chnology. You mentioned
[1:32:38] earlier that these chillersre
[1:32:39] more eicient than theld
[1:32:40] ones
[1:32:41] s.
[1:32:45] Okay. And in terms ofach
[1:32:47] dividual unit offer more
[1:32:50] therma displacement than the
[1:32:50] es they
[1:32:51] re replang or that
[1:32:53] th just use less electcity
[1:32:54] and.
[1:32:55] Water across the board. They
[1:32:56] arehey are more efficient.
[1:33:01] They work betr, and the
[1:33:04] require less maintenance.Kay.
[1:33:07] D most importantly they
[1:33:07] don
[1:33:08] tse water.
[1:33:09] Okay.O if if you wer to take
[1:33:11] one ofhose rooftopnits, the
[1:33:13] old ones and one of the new
[1:33:18] ones 1o 1he new one would
[1:33:20] provide morhermal
[1:33:22] displacement or me chilling
[1:33:23] capaci than one of the old
[1:33:24] ones.
[1:33:24] M assuming they
[1:33:25] more
[1:33:26] efficient, is what I
[1:33:27] undersnd.
[1:33:31] Okay I had a cple other
[1:33:32] Ye, I don
[1:33:32] t mean to hur.
[1:33:33] Yeah.
[1:33:33] I
[1:33:35] m just. Yea I, kind of
[1:33:36] having a hard time
[1:33:37] understandg who exactly is in
[1:33:37] charge of wt
[1:33:38] s goingn over
[1:33:38] there.
[1:33:40] Except I said it again.
[1:33:40] I
[1:33:41] m having aard time
[1:33:42] understanding w exact I in
[1:33:43] charge of wha
[1:33:44] s goingn over
[1:33:47] there. Eagan capital llc, they
[1:33:50] own theroperty. Yes. And Iron
[1:33:51] Gates the tenantho
[1:33:51] s
[1:33:55] operating their. Operating data
[1:33:56] nter.
[1:34:00] The Iron Gate is a subsiary
[1:34:06] of an affilte of Eagan
[1:34:08] Catal.
[1:34:12] Ich affilia I I Woodbury
[1:34:14] Capital, l. Ist Swivel
[1:34:16] Managementivision, llc? Is it
[1:34:19] ivelonsulting, llc?St
[1:34:21] Swivel Developntorporation,
[1:34:22] which used t be known as Baby
[1:34:23] Honeyntertainment
[1:34:25] corporated? Which which
[1:34:28] organization is in chae?
[1:34:28] It is it
[1:34:29] s an affiliate and
[1:34:29] it
[1:34:30] s owned by the it
[1:34:30] s under
[1:34:32] commonontrol of of thewners
[1:34:34] of swivel development.
[1:34:36] Okay. S swivel devopment
[1:34:37] sort of where thingsnd and
[1:34:41] iron gate tha pticular chu
[1:34:44] is it iron gate. One word llc
[1:34:46] is that the actualusiness.
[1:34:46] It
[1:34:47] s not a it
[1:34:48] s not an llc.
[1:34:49] It
[1:34:50] s an operatingivision.
[1:34:51] Okay. S it
[1:34:52] s it
[1:34:53] s not a
[1:34:53] separate biness that
[1:34:54] s bn
[1:34:55] fid with the sectary.
[1:34:56] Of state. Ion
[1:34:56] t believeo.
[1:34:57] Well, tha
[1:34:58] s why I coun
[1:34:59] t.
[1:34:59] Findt.
[1:35:00] Dba no, it
[1:35:01] s not even in there
[1:35:01] as a diva.
[1:35:02] Oh okay.
[1:35:04] Ok. So okay. Well, I thi
[1:35:05] that
[1:35:06] s enough on that. The I
[1:35:08] gues the the last questns I
[1:35:08] had is it
[1:35:11] sy under the
[1:35:11] s
[1:35:12] diffent types ofata
[1:35:13] cents. You knowack inhe
[1:35:17] day data center was storage.
[1:35:18] Typically t supportnterprise
[1:35:20] use whereeople wou store
[1:35:21] files and they
[1:35:22] d be accessed
[1:35:24] from time t time, maybe pulled
[1:35:25] off. And if ty were
[1:35:26] manipulated anyway, itas done
[1:35:28] on a mainframer something
[1:35:31] else. These days,ata cenrs
[1:35:32] can be sometng otherhan
[1:35:33] orage. There
[1:35:34] s also da
[1:35:35] ceers that are compute. Those
[1:35:36] arehe ones tha are, you
[1:35:39] know, mining Bitcoin or making,
[1:35:43] you know,I videos of cats
[1:35:45] dog things orhatever is,
[1:35:48] is, is the u here stoge or
[1:35:49] compute?
[1:35:49] Belie it
[1:35:50] a computer.
[1:35:51] It
[1:35:52] st
[1:35:53] s computaon, n
[1:35:53] stage.
[1:35:55] I believe so but I, I again I
[1:35:56] don
[1:35:56] t I can
[1:35:57] t tl you the
[1:35:58] answer t that if y want if
[1:35:59] u want me to ask t questn
[1:36:00] I will get it for you.
[1:36:01] Okay.
[1:36:02] De interested in the
[1:36:03] answer to that questio
[1:36:05] etherhe the t usage of
[1:36:08] th data center is fused on
[1:36:10] storage and retrieval o I
[1:36:10] it
[1:36:12] sn compute.
[1:36:13] I
[1:36:14] m I
[1:36:15] m certain it
[1:36:16] s some of
[1:36:17] some of the lter.
[1:36:17] You
[1:36:18] re ctain that it
[1:36:19] s some
[1:36:22] comput Okay. I think.
[1:36:24] And byirtue some storage.
[1:36:25] Pard me.
[1:36:26] And by virtue of that some
[1:36:28] storage.
[1:36:30] I again athing more than I
[1:36:31] say is going toe based on
[1:36:32] speculatioo I
[1:36:33] m happyo
[1:36:34] try and answer your questio.
[1:36:36] But by someby who kno the
[1:36:36] answer, sure.
[1:36:37] Iuess I
[1:36:38] m interted in what
[1:36:39] the pmary use is. Iean,
[1:36:42] even with a pure compute data
[1:36:42] center, there
[1:36:43] s always going to
[1:36:44] be a ltle bit of stora
[1:36:45] beuse tngs need to be
[1:36:46] stored temporily locally.
[1:36:47] Well the compute worksn it,
[1:36:48] but.
[1:36:49] I c tell y that the oer
[1:36:51] da centers that ion g uses
[1:36:54] is one of of compung as
[1:36:55] opposed to storage.
[1:37:00] Okay, computing. Okay. Tt
[1:37:01] answs my questio Thank you.
[1:37:06] Thank you.
[1:37:08] Mi I, Mikechultz
[1:37:11] apologe, but you mentioned
[1:37:15] iteria five. Can you unpack
[1:37:18] that a lite bit more for me
[1:37:19] in termsf non presentatio
[1:37:24] modend explain it like we
[1:37:24] re
[1:37:26] talking
[1:37:29] Yeah yeah. L meind the code
[1:37:49] here again. So under the iup
[1:37:51] under theup therere a
[1:37:52] number o criteria tt are
[1:37:56] that are listed andnder five.
[1:37:57] Still trying to get to that up
[1:37:58] here.
[1:37:59] Th is the cteria for
[1:38:00] awarding of an iup.
[1:38:01] Ye. Sohere
[1:38:01] s there
[1:38:02] s
[1:38:03] basicay sixriteria. That
[1:38:03] s
[1:38:04] that
[1:38:05] part of it. Wha was
[1:38:05] actually prode in the staff
[1:38:08] reportas the odoor storage
[1:38:10] review criteria, as part part
[1:38:12] of the ruest. So withi
[1:38:14] sically t evaluation
[1:38:16] criteria forust the iup, one
[1:38:18] of the sndards is thathe
[1:38:20] us meets thetandards set
[1:38:22] foh in the zoning regulations
[1:38:23] here in govning cditional
[1:38:25] us permit. So really there
[1:38:27] another layer of the review
[1:38:29] process tt also then gerns
[1:38:31] the iup which I also then the
[1:38:34] Cup review criteria as well. S
[1:38:34] it
[1:38:37] s basal two standards in
[1:38:38] one.
[1:38:39] I think. I
[1:38:40] m not shaking you
[1:38:42] off. Yeah. No, no I.
[1:38:43] I think it
[1:38:44] s because IEPs are
[1:38:46] are few.Hey should be few and
[1:38:48] far between. I thi it
[1:38:48] s
[1:38:50] because we want IEPs to mee a
[1:38:52] highertandard in oer to be
[1:38:55] allowed witn the cit
[1:39:00] Okay. So so this an iup. How
[1:39:03] does it relate to the Cup
[1:39:04] crerion in five? I
[1:39:05] m I
[1:39:06] apologe I
[1:39:07] m sor.
[1:39:08] So basically aft. S you have
[1:39:10] to go up t the end to the cup
[1:39:11] reew criteriahich then
[1:39:15] there are the are then t
[1:39:17] eight criteriaitn the cup.
[1:39:19] Th evaluation witnhat
[1:39:20] they
[1:39:21] basically me general
[1:39:23] publealth and welfare
[1:39:25] bacally stipulations as as
[1:39:26] pa of the condition use
[1:39:28] permit process. SEPs
[1:39:29] tended basically toe
[1:39:31] temporar inature. Yeah,
[1:39:32] certaiy he a sghtly lower
[1:39:35] threshd to meet. But with
[1:39:36] at provisionhathey have
[1:39:38] to be kke up to cup,
[1:39:39] they wanto make surehat
[1:39:40] ev o a tempo manne
[1:39:42] beca you gs have seeep
[1:39:44] can be oner or three years,
[1:39:45] sometime a little bit longer.
[1:39:47] So temrary natures
[1:39:50] subjective a lit bit. So
[1:39:51] basicallyhey areked upo
[1:39:53] that c.He higher cteria.
[1:39:54] One o them, you kw, some o
[1:39:56] the standards being, you know,
[1:39:57] basicallympacts toubc
[1:39:58] are okay.
[1:40:03] Soka
[1:40:03] Just.
[1:40:05] One mor. Yeah.
[1:40:06] Sorry to sll be onhis, but
[1:40:08] Iave more queions authe
[1:40:15] mpute the. Is it tt third
[1:40:18] parties smit a requestor a
[1:40:19] certain typ o computation
[1:40:22] mputation to in Gate? It
[1:40:25] es its thing. And then tho
[1:40:26] third pares get theendered
[1:40:28] sult. Or I a of t
[1:40:31] compe being consumed by iro
[1:40:32] gate itself?
[1:40:32] No, it
[1:40:34] s done third
[1:40:34] party.
[1:40:36] Okay.O third pties mak a
[1:40:39] reestor, y know, tell me
[1:40:41] theest rece for a
[1:40:42] bouiabaisse sce or
[1:40:42] whatever.
[1:40:46] At thirdarties aenants.
[1:40:48] Is aenant o the pperty,
[1:40:50] operes a datenter within
[1:40:52] e pperty.
[1:40:54] Okay, s Iron Gate has mulple
[1:40:57] clienthoolds a svers
[1:41:02] that render compute And d we
[1:41:03] kn whether.
[1:41:04] The tenan MAY bri in
[1:41:06] servers? We MAY bng inhe
[1:41:08] power. We mayring in some of
[1:41:09] infrastructure.
[1:41:12] Okay. And is itwnoho
[1:41:15] tenants o Ironate? A t
[1:41:16] strictly using compute
[1:41:19] capacity for their own internal
[1:41:21] company purs, or do s of
[1:41:23] em receive reqs from the
[1:41:24] general public third
[1:41:26] parties, d the compu and
[1:41:27] en turn over t results?
[1:41:28] I can
[1:41:28] speako that.
[1:41:31] There anybody who could
[1:41:32] I could find out.
[1:41:33] I
[1:41:39] d like you to please. Okay.
[1:41:41] So I
[1:41:41] sure have more
[1:41:42] questions. I d
[1:41:43] t kno i
[1:41:44] that
[1:41:44] going to leado
[1:41:45] answers, s I
[1:41:46] ll. Won
[1:41:47] tsk
[1:41:49] ny o them right now. I
[1:41:50] wouldn
[1:41:50] t md gettingn to at
[1:41:51] least hring fromhe
[1:41:53] neighborsf that wks for
[1:41:54] folks, andhen we canome
[1:41:56] backnd t to unpkome of
[1:41:58] the slls lat on. S
[1:41:59] u
[1:41:59] ll be available aerwards.
[1:42:02] Mike. Absutel Thank you
[1:42:05] an you, thank you. Apologies
[1:42:08] for the eende qstion and
[1:42:10] answer perio I tnk man of
[1:42:11] u we probably I t room
[1:42:14] la week at the apc, and there
[1:42:15] e a lot of movg parts he.
[1:42:16] I thi we
[1:42:17] re we
[1:42:17] re all tryin
[1:42:18] to get I nailedown a lite
[1:42:21] more effecvely So aga, my
[1:42:22] apologies for that. Should
[1:42:25] mentionvalanche two one after
[1:42:28] th fir. Sor, maybe tt
[1:42:28] ll
[1:42:31] chge in t nt 20 minut,
[1:42:32] t. So
[1:42:33] m going to on up
[1:42:34] publ comments, pubc
[1:42:37] commentsn the cncil meeti
[1:42:38] will wkrettyuch the same
[1:42:40] as I did in the apc. We ask
[1:42:42] people tome up. Ifou have
[1:42:44] qutions, fee free t share
[1:42:45] them. W won
[1:42:45] dl with
[1:42:48] questions individuay. We
[1:42:49] ll
[1:42:52] instead keep nes of tm.
[1:42:53] MISS Mler will te notes on
[1:42:56] l t questionseing asked.
[1:42:57] Andhen aer we
[1:42:57] ve ten all
[1:42:58] the commentsnd all the
[1:42:59] questions, we
[1:43:00] ll goack and
[1:43:01] deal with theuestns one at
[1:43:03] a time. T to combine them and
[1:43:05] unck t areas in which ty
[1:43:08] overlap. We ask tha you fee
[1:43:08] free toomep and make
[1:43:10] whatever comnts youo. If
[1:43:12] mebody hasade the same
[1:43:14] commts as y, simple I
[1:43:15] age wh so-and-so would
[1:43:17] suffice And we can maybe g
[1:43:18] out of he I time f t
[1:43:21] thir perdr the. Ove time
[1:43:21] we
[1:43:23] ll fdut. So with tha
[1:43:24] I
[1:43:25] llpen up theic. A, you
[1:43:27] ow, generally speaking, four
[1:43:29] minute m ifou come in at
[1:43:32] two, I c MAY look for se
[1:43:35] gold sta tive you.Ut
[1:43:36] there
[1:43:37] so sinn goinghort
[1:43:38] We askhat you really d
[1:43:39] t go
[1:43:39] along bause we
[1:43:40] goi to be
[1:43:40] in he for long enoh
[1:43:42] tonight,st is. So with
[1:43:43] that, I
[1:43:44] ll on up tic. Any
[1:43:45] members of theubli who wan
[1:43:48] to comme on the propose
[1:43:50] terim u permit rarding
[1:43:53] the former Unisys building?
[1:43:53] I
[1:43:55] ll jt shorten uphatay.
[1:43:56] All rig. I
[1:43:59] ll do it Oka
[1:43:59] I
[1:44:01] gett done. W
[1:44:01] t be f
[1:44:06] mineithe.
[1:44:06] As long ast
[1:44:07] s not eig.
[1:44:17] Decracs sometim slo and
[1:44:18] painful, but I am grateful for
[1:44:19] . Mr.Ayor Eaganity
[1:44:20] uncil members.Y name i
[1:44:20] John Gtin. During the nearl
[1:44:21] yea weived at061
[1:44:22] Woodlark Lane,y wife a I
[1:44:23] ha bee privileged to s our
[1:44:25] beautil cityrow and proer
[1:44:26] dor the good our
[1:44:29] communy. Mos of us. Tnk
[1:44:30] you, COUNCILMAN Subenaor
[1:44:32] viting with my next door
[1:44:34] nehbor, Peteailm, lt
[1:44:36] Thuraynd walking with h
[1:44:38] ronate Dataenter.
[1:44:39] Numberfears ago. I was
[1:44:41] involvedith timbeine
[1:44:44] Civissociation, and we
[1:44:45] fought toeep a propey on
[1:44:47] the cornerfilot Kb and
[1:44:48] Lonokeoads fro becoming a
[1:44:50] g artmentouse, and n w
[1:44:52] havehe beautif Timberle
[1:44:53] Village, wch is a senior
[1:44:54] community that
[1:44:55] s tiving. I
[1:44:56] was als on the airrt noi
[1:45:00] commtee f a while aft
[1:45:01] ma of us cplaid abo
[1:45:04] this. The noise we h he
[1:45:06] th In Gate, whie found
[1:45:10] out was Iro Ge. The wl w
[1:45:12] built and the secd study
[1:45:14] shs acceptabl noi lels.
[1:45:15] Trank, Ion
[1:45:16] t knowhat
[1:45:18] to belve at ts point.
[1:45:19] Nest, n disreect
[1:45:22] intend to anybody here today.
[1:45:22] I d
[1:45:23] t know exalyhat to
[1:45:25] believe. I don
[1:45:26] t kw ifear
[1:45:28] th noise allhe time. I don
[1:45:28] t
[1:45:33] ink do. But anywa, iron
[1:45:35] ga dat Cente like all of
[1:45:38] them is a pasite. Now.
[1:45:38] Ey
[1:45:39] re everywhere a at oe,
[1:45:40] ande
[1:45:41] ve g one und
[1:45:42] consuctionver here in
[1:45:43] Eagan, rig next tomes I
[1:45:45] Inverrove Heits. And I
[1:45:47] applaudour decision t at
[1:45:48] least temporaly pau new
[1:45:50] delopmts pending further
[1:45:52] reviewnd study. These data
[1:45:54] centers cate an additional
[1:45:55] laye o constant nse and
[1:45:57] vibration, wch we cizen
[1:45:59] must conte wh. They
[1:46:00] ot
[1:46:02] on fewermanent jobs, and
[1:46:04] yes,hey bring I tax dollars,
[1:46:05] buthey all suckn
[1:46:06] unbelievabmoun of
[1:46:09] elecicity. Rea tapers.
[1:46:10] Lo, tre are plenty of
[1:46:12] udie I indated MISS
[1:46:14] Hutmacher with a bch of sff
[1:46:15] forhich I
[1:46:15] m aamed becau
[1:46:16] it
[1:46:17] sustay toouch da o
[1:46:18] thistuff They
[1:46:18] reoing to
[1:46:21] deple our oy close system.
[1:46:22] Sods good. That
[1:46:22] s good. Me
[1:46:23] effient? That
[1:46:25] fine.Ut as
[1:46:26] thei nee g up, o power
[1:46:27] and water bil are goi to go
[1:46:29] up.Ur property values willo
[1:46:31] down So what
[1:46:32] gd for
[1:46:33] businesss not aays good for
[1:46:35] e community. These people
[1:46:37] have got nkin in t ge.
[1:46:38] They don
[1:46:38] tiveere.Hey
[1:46:39] don
[1:46:40] t send tirhildren t
[1:46:41] scolere o shop her Ty
[1:46:43] answer the bses and
[1:46:45] shareholders. Sewhe outside
[1:46:47] Minnesota. Thinkaybe
[1:46:49] mewherep a cha of
[1:46:50] bsidiaries, spin os,
[1:46:54] ltip Ls,ron gates not
[1:46:56] a gd neighbor. The
[1:46:57] fired
[1:46:58] up their cller iniolation
[1:47:00] of theonin ordinces. N
[1:47:01] they b forgiveness It
[1:47:01] s
[1:47:03] zone r&d.Hey sayt is.
[1:47:06] Well, wteve Anyway,ll the
[1:47:08] constrtion perts they
[1:47:10] submit should be ceful
[1:47:11] reviewed to ensure they meet
[1:47:13] all ces.Verying mt be
[1:47:14] enrcedtricy b the book
[1:47:15] they
[1:47:16] already swn. It
[1:47:17] nnot be trued. I was he
[1:47:18] rst a I
[1:47:18] mot going to
[1:47:23] move.O I implore you toet
[1:47:24] do what you need to d not to
[1:47:27] lethings go any furer.
[1:47:28] Thank youery much.
[1:47:31] Than you
[1:47:33] Thanks.
[1:47:36] Additional cment. W
[1:47:37] ll ask
[1:47:39] what we refin fromutbursts.
[1:47:41] Good evening.Ayorouncil.
[1:47:44] Kath Peterson Iive at77
[1:47:45] Tier Wood Tra, fairly new
[1:47:48] Eagan. I was ae to aend
[1:47:50] th planning mting lt week
[1:47:50] and
[1:47:52] m learning aot. I
[1:47:53] m
[1:47:55] here to encourage the cncil
[1:47:57] toccept the 6 to 0
[1:47:59] recoendaon ohe
[1:48:01] Commsion to deny the intim
[1:48:05] us permit. I als wante to
[1:48:09] askfy memory o that
[1:48:12] sessio last week was is
[1:48:15] coect, tha t alica was
[1:48:19] told tt any expen engaged
[1:48:22] in offor toeal wit the
[1:48:25] sound issue the the noise
[1:48:28] pollion were t be undertake
[1:48:29] at the appcant
[1:48:31] s risk. Rht.
[1:48:31] E cy didn
[1:48:33] tell the tt
[1:48:34] ey h too that, or they
[1:48:36] should do tt. Ty we told,
[1:48:38] asnderstand I thatt
[1:48:39] woul be at theireril and
[1:48:41] thatt d not necessaly
[1:48:43] an that any interse
[1:48:44] rmitould in fact be
[1:48:47] appred. I tnkhathere
[1:48:47] s
[1:48:49] be a l of gd queion a
[1:48:50] aner here tay to kd of
[1:48:55] point out how this haseen
[1:48:56] non-tradiona I gss that
[1:48:57] s
[1:48:57] the word we
[1:48:58] llettln
[1:49:00] non-traditiol. A I
[1:49:01] meeply
[1:49:03] concerned. There
[1:49:03] s the
[1:49:05] tempary iss. A then we
[1:49:05] do
[1:49:07] even necessarily tk
[1:49:10] toght about the the pernent
[1:49:11] ise, where t times the
[1:49:13] nuers of cller it sous
[1:49:17] li, a going to be. If the
[1:49:20] applicant mov forwa.
[1:49:23] Instald in a masonry
[1:49:26] clos.As loong at the
[1:49:28] infoatio Was a mechani
[1:49:31] yard, mechanical yar right
[1:49:35] anyway, thi
[1:49:35] m I
[1:49:36] m
[1:49:40] encouraging us t say no ao
[1:49:43] uphohe curnt zong which
[1:49:45] is for r&d. As we
[1:49:47] ve hit o
[1:49:49] data cter mea aery
[1:49:51] dieren thing. A disssed
[1:49:54] as part of Unisys. Is tt
[1:49:56] really t corct way? Anyy,
[1:49:57] as part o that company
[1:49:59] s
[1:50:02] resech andevelment? And
[1:50:03] cleay we can
[1:50:03] haven
[1:50:06] cessy uhenheres no
[1:50:07] prary use otherhan being a
[1:50:09] data cenr. I mean, a I
[1:50:10] ked the analogy wever
[1:50:13] somee he made abo the
[1:50:15] prive home withhe cars
[1:50:19] parked. Sonow youll know
[1:50:22] the stuto code in the law.
[1:50:25] An thenterim use pmit MAY
[1:50:26] issued.T cerinly doesn
[1:50:29] have to be issued. I rlly
[1:50:31] ta issue with myuick rd
[1:50:34] the attorney
[1:50:35] sette fm
[1:50:39] MAY 3, which somehow creates
[1:50:40] someense of entitmentr
[1:50:42] right or a vgehat they
[1:50:44] ther you know, that this
[1:50:45] wod be arbitra and
[1:50:48] capricious it were died
[1:50:49] and notng coue furth
[1:50:54] fr the case. This is not wt
[1:50:57] thiseighrhood wants,ot
[1:50:59] what this nghborhood needs.
[1:50:59] It
[1:51:01] sot consient with the
[1:51:03] an of t cit cncil It
[1:51:05] abs our cmuni center and
[1:51:07] ou nature trails. This would
[1:51:11] ben abomination. And I, I am
[1:51:11] happy tha the
[1:51:12] s bee better
[1:51:15] clarificion here today aut
[1:51:17] the secon lay onalysis,
[1:51:21] which says that t pmit, the
[1:51:24] condionase perts can
[1:51:26] ly bessuedf it finhe
[1:51:29] use at the prosed location
[1:51:31] consisnt with eht sepate
[1:51:32] factors, wch I wl not
[1:51:33] reci bause I kw you a
[1:51:36] know the fm subvisi fou
[1:51:39] c. Br. Sultz hhliged
[1:51:41] on only twof the eht. He
[1:51:43] hitn wheer it
[1:51:44] d b
[1:51:46] detrimenl to o endanger
[1:51:47] public heah, safy or
[1:51:48] general welref the
[1:51:50] neigorho or city. And then
[1:51:54] the involvement and use of
[1:51:55] marial that wou be
[1:51:59] zardous.T cetera, e.. But
[1:52:01] I think itertalyill not
[1:52:03] be harniou with t general
[1:52:04] d alicable spefic
[1:52:07] objeives ohe cy pla and
[1:52:08] e cess currently
[1:52:09] esblisd. Thi I
[1:52:10] t an
[1:52:12] effort b this organizion to
[1:52:14] come in a g a alternati
[1:52:17] land use permi and just
[1:52:20] nnot implore you eugh to
[1:52:23] sayo, thank you. Okay.
[1:52:24] Addional comnts plee. I
[1:52:25] askhat we refra from
[1:52:31] applause orutbut. If the
[1:52:33] wild score goal y c plot.
[1:52:34] Andhey haven
[1:52:36] t.
[1:52:40] Thk you,ayor andounc.
[1:52:41] Just goi to help y out a
[1:52:42] little bit. Iot about 30
[1:52:44] yearsf industrial
[1:52:47] intence. The old system,
[1:52:49] d m humble opinion w it
[1:52:51] s water cooled. S the
[1:52:52] refrigeran gs out
[1:52:53] It gs a nameeal quick.
[1:52:56] Oh, Joe Krueger, t water,he
[1:52:58] coolan refrigentoes o,
[1:52:58] drop it
[1:52:59] s
[1:52:59] d.
[1:53:01] And it comes bk h.Nd I
[1:53:03] would kindfike your car
[1:53:04] diator. There
[1:53:05] s fan and
[1:53:06] en it
[1:53:08] ll droater across
[1:53:09] e pes.Hat
[1:53:11] s where t
[1:53:13] however man thoand galns a
[1:53:14] y gets eporated off. Tt
[1:53:16] ols it bk down, cires
[1:53:19] back t your compresr to me
[1:53:25] it cd again,nd send it out
[1:53:26] tha was yourld water
[1:53:27] base, a no one
[1:53:27] s got
[1:53:30] refrigerant. Pbably better
[1:53:31] athosere. They
[1:53:32] reot up
[1:53:32] the n. Tt isn
[1:53:33] terious
[1:53:38] machiny for 53 foot trailers.
[1:53:38] It
[1:53:39] s more tha ever ho
[1:53:42] work o I oy had m biggest
[1:53:44] portable was o onerailers
[1:53:47] and 6000 horse,ut it was a
[1:53:51] air comesso. So onhe on
[1:53:52] th noise, when you
[1:53:52] hearing
[1:53:54] a different noise levels and
[1:53:54] th
[1:53:55] re saying three chillers
[1:53:57] are rning ty run o what
[1:53:58] s
[1:54:05] called.Ontious load.O or
[1:54:06] just a continuous runo the
[1:54:08] tors not mad to tn off
[1:54:10] and on. If y want to desoy
[1:54:11] an electri motor turnt off
[1:54:14] and on aot. That iushf
[1:54:15] pera when y turnt on it
[1:54:17] stts breakg down. Yr the
[1:54:19] installation and t windings.
[1:54:21] An you can s byeye t your
[1:54:24] electricotor lot soone So
[1:54:25] at the theyun as
[1:54:28] contuous use mot a it
[1:54:29] ll
[1:54:30] shut o eventually.Ike if
[1:54:31] it
[1:54:31] s a the
[1:54:32] ll be a timer if
[1:54:32] you, ift dsn
[1:54:33] t g a load
[1:54:35] for 1 mines, a half hr,
[1:54:35] then it
[1:54:36] ll tel it t te
[1:54:39] self offline That
[1:54:40] sf they
[1:54:42] will havet setp that w.
[1:54:43] Bu generalhey
[1:54:43] re notade
[1:54:45] toome off and on.O yes you
[1:54:46] cod have had teehills
[1:54:47] running.Hat doesn
[1:54:48] t mean
[1:54:48] th
[1:54:49] re under ld. If ty
[1:54:50] re
[1:54:50] der load ty
[1:54:51] re working. And
[1:54:51] if it
[1:54:52] shiller they make a
[1:54:54] lot me noise. Ifou
[1:54:55] ve got
[1:54:58] an elericotor withnd I
[1:54:59] not worki, it
[1:55:00] s just sitng
[1:55:01] spiing.Our vacm
[1:55:02] eane canake more nse
[1:55:07] th tha So. And I
[1:55:08] d echo
[1:55:09] some of thether folks
[1:55:11] ntimts aut the data
[1:55:13] ceer. Tnk y f your te.
[1:55:18] Adtional cmenteah.
[1:55:19] Thankou,r. Mor. Andity
[1:55:21] Cocil reallyppreate the
[1:55:22] line of queioningonig. It
[1:55:24] was very enlhteng. I would
[1:55:25] say we he toay.
[1:55:26] Iopet was enlighting to
[1:55:27] somedy, but.
[1:55:29] Still got aot of questns.
[1:55:30] Ght? Yeah, I woulday you
[1:55:31] have to say no uil you kw
[1:55:32] what t e games. We
[1:55:34] talking aemporary permit. I
[1:55:35] ge thatight But entually
[1:55:36] ere
[1:55:37] s going toe eht
[1:55:39] llersf y belie theo
[1:55:40] far, what I
[1:55:40] seen in two
[1:55:42] sepate meetings is I can
[1:55:43] t
[1:55:44] tell whathe realruth is. I
[1:55:44] ca
[1:55:45] t tell wre you
[1:55:45] re goi
[1:55:46] to end up. Have no ideahat
[1:55:46] they
[1:55:47] reoing to do, and
[1:55:49] neither do we.O does ds
[1:55:52] alwinghe temporary pmit
[1:55:55] anyay iratiate us to the
[1:55:56] nextevelermihich w
[1:55:57] ha no idea what it
[1:55:58] sor y.
[1:55:59] And even I they told u we
[1:55:59] woul
[1:56:00] t believehem. So
[1:56:01] that
[1:56:02] sne comment The oth
[1:56:04] things, was it two yrs ago
[1:56:05] weut our yea ago, weut
[1:56:07] togeer the three poplar plans
[1:56:09] fo theorthwestommonsrea.
[1:56:11] Right. I tnk the smallt
[1:56:12] plann termsf the number of
[1:56:14] ne residents your nex door
[1:56:16] nehborsas 250 new
[1:56:18] residents, up to 1000 new
[1:56:19] residents. Weeed a bger
[1:56:21] room.F that happe, you
[1:56:21] re
[1:56:22] gonna have a l of complaints.
[1:56:24] Thank you. Oh,y the way
[1:56:26] liven MacArthur roadnd my
[1:56:27] daughterives inhe same
[1:56:28] nehborhoodn Red Ced Roa
[1:56:30] n Sprigg, m wife, m Spa.
[1:56:31] Thank y.
[1:56:37] Thk y. Additiol comment.
[1:56:39] Od evening.
[1:56:41] Myame is Mariaorowi a
[1:56:43] we live at three 106 Pilot Knob
[1:56:45] Road My famil and I hav
[1:56:46] live in Eagan f about eht
[1:56:48] yes,o I thi this mting
[1:56:50] today was really helul. It
[1:56:52] anered some qstio and I
[1:56:54] think right now what Iave I
[1:56:56] ybe some clafyinuestions
[1:56:58] that wean address follong
[1:57:01] is session. But fromhepc
[1:57:03] meetg thatappenedast
[1:57:05] week,t was alled to tha if
[1:57:10] the iup was approved and the
[1:57:11] ir gateas given, tt the
[1:57:13] sixonth permit, tt tt
[1:57:16] would automatically then all
[1:57:18] them t srt buildgnd
[1:57:20] instlatif the mhanil
[1:57:22] yard whi from the rort
[1:57:23] liev includesight
[1:57:25] peanenthills, eht dry
[1:57:27] cools and someome other
[1:57:30] machiner tt the pubc wld
[1:57:31] theno longe be ae to
[1:57:33] comment on. And Ion
[1:57:33] t I don
[1:57:33] t
[1:57:34] nessarily kwf there
[1:57:34] s a
[1:57:36] separateermit for iut it
[1:57:38] would be condere operations
[1:57:40] as ual.O I just wt to
[1:57:41] clarify,ounow what this
[1:57:43] decisiononighteall mea
[1:57:45] in terms of that fureor the
[1:57:48] mechicalard. Then also
[1:57:49] toda we heardbout the
[1:57:51] baseline mitoring. And what I
[1:57:52] thout Ieard is thathe the
[1:57:54] modeling tha was don really
[1:57:56] kes intoccou allhat
[1:57:58] ambit noise coming from Pilot
[1:58:00] Knoboad airplanes, anythg
[1:58:02] kehat. S I jus wan to
[1:58:04] tternderstand how was the
[1:58:06] actualoiserom thehillers
[1:58:07] asur? And I wean get a
[1:58:09] ext measurement onhat,
[1:58:11] taking asidehe aient nse,
[1:58:13] given that there I dinity
[1:58:15] a diffent frequencyhat y
[1:58:16] know, ronathrough our
[1:58:16] house, we
[1:58:17] re directly across
[1:58:18] the strt.
[1:58:19] Ve been sepin
[1:58:20] in t basement for the past
[1:58:22] three mons now,o defitel
[1:58:27] feelt. And then se of t
[1:58:30] other queions we h. So I
[1:58:32] think jt some o t actions
[1:58:34] to be condere I one of the
[1:58:36] rerts tt was giv to you
[1:58:38] was som sortfontrol system
[1:58:40] ccks aalances. So I
[1:58:41] just want toee clari on
[1:58:42] that. Whahat would loo
[1:58:44] li,nd if it wld include
[1:58:46] noe studies and at wha
[1:58:48] pointsn time. And how do we
[1:58:49] ashe public, ensure that
[1:58:51] there I aually a process in
[1:58:53] placend, and tha we hav
[1:58:55] availabity tome of tha
[1:58:59] communicion. And thenlso
[1:59:00] just want tommentust from
[1:59:02] ou personal eerience, we
[1:59:05] notice thathe noise is muc
[1:59:07] gher o wknigs, lik
[1:59:09] righ arod tt 10 P.M. T2
[1:59:12] a. Range and theneekes as
[1:59:13] ll,hich I belve ishen
[1:59:14] somef t firstomplnts
[1:59:16] from residents weressue s
[1:59:17] thinkt
[1:59:17] s important to
[1:59:20] consider thatny sortf
[1:59:22] ture process as the
[1:59:22] not
[1:59:23] ju storing, the
[1:59:23] re operating
[1:59:25] th chiers. So I wt to
[1:59:27] clary tha that I would
[1:59:29] include moniting,ou know,
[1:59:30] constantly including t
[1:59:31] weeken, because that
[1:59:31] s whe
[1:59:32] we
[1:59:32] reome. We
[1:59:33] renjoying o
[1:59:33] hos, we
[1:59:35] reardening. All
[1:59:38] those tngs. And then Iould
[1:59:40] say mbe last questions if
[1:59:41] there
[1:59:42] s a delineaon in tho
[1:59:46] MPCa standards about wha how,
[1:59:47] you know, constt noi tt
[1:59:47] s
[1:59:50] 24 over sen I measure And
[1:59:52] those decibel levelsersu
[1:59:52] nois that
[1:59:53] s o and o,
[1:59:54] becaus w know tha this is
[1:59:57] this I cstant. And so I
[1:59:57] think tha
[2:00:00] quite difrent
[2:00:03] Andhen as far as shepec
[2:00:04] etin thereere some
[2:00:06] coents fro memrshat
[2:00:08] aldedo pottialezoning
[2:00:09] to an iustrl area. A I
[2:00:11] wod just agreeith my fellow
[2:00:13] member that w areot in
[2:00:15] agreement that o area should
[2:00:19] beezoned and that placing the
[2:00:21] uipmentutsi versus, you
[2:00:23] kn, chaingome of the
[2:00:24] officepace sortf a
[2:00:26] ophole arod somefhe
[2:00:28] perctage required for office
[2:00:30] space. Sot wld definitely
[2:00:31] ju want mor information on
[2:00:45] that as wel So thank you.
[2:00:46] Than you, MR. Mayor. And City
[2:00:48] Cocil, I appciat all your
[2:00:48] hard.
[2:00:49] Rk and.
[2:00:51] E my questio tt were
[2:00:54] raised tonight My name I Tim
[2:00:57] Stead. Le at 3045
[2:00:58] Timberwolf Trail I
[2:00:59] veeen a
[2:01:04] sidentfagan for 25 years.
[2:01:07] I do appciat mhf the
[2:01:08] information tt the attney
[2:01:11] gave in his letr. Andven
[2:01:13] he tonight, I think hes
[2:01:15] really trygard to explain
[2:01:17] us what w going o But
[2:01:18] unfounaty, I don
[2:01:18] t agree
[2:01:21] with him because I can
[2:01:25] undetandhis argumenhat
[2:01:26] sohowhewner dn
[2:01:27] tnow
[2:01:30] that aermiould be neede
[2:01:30] That
[2:01:30] shat
[2:01:31] ve been heang
[2:01:33] st week. And now ain
[2:01:37] toght jus week agoe
[2:01:38] had aery unfortunate
[2:01:42] expeencen our house o
[2:01:45] war softer bw upnd tt
[2:01:47] was a really qte a chaenge
[2:01:49] i had to get plumber and the
[2:01:51] umber was vy qck to get a
[2:01:54] building or a pert from the
[2:01:57] ci, a I paidhe $75or
[2:01:59] that permi It wasll well
[2:02:01] and good. And I
[2:02:01] ll tl y
[2:02:02] what, was s thankful for
[2:02:04] that inspector w came t our
[2:02:08] hoe right away and glad
[2:02:11] beuse I knew tn I thoht
[2:02:12] e plumber was doi a great
[2:02:15] job. Ande did. But it ge me
[2:02:16] e assurance thathis wasll
[2:02:21] doneorrectly. Now, tha
[2:02:21] a
[2:02:24] mple thing At ourrevious
[2:02:27] houseown a bea path tra,
[2:02:29] hado replace the furnace a
[2:02:33] the ac unit outside, and I h
[2:02:35] to pay pmits f that. I was
[2:02:36] just understd that tha
[2:02:36] s
[2:02:38] methg we he to do.
[2:02:39] Ythinghat
[2:02:40] s inse or
[2:02:42] outside of our house. We have
[2:02:43] to go thrgh theity
[2:02:46] regutions and codes. S what
[2:02:46] I
[2:02:48] m tryin t sayere is tha
[2:02:49] Iave concern about the lk
[2:02:51] ofransrency.
[2:02:52] Mot reall
[2:02:55] re I agreeith the oer
[2:02:56] peophat have sken he
[2:02:59] tonighonig, thathis
[2:03:02] confusion that w expienc
[2:03:03] least in our neiborhd
[2:03:04] d the srounng
[2:03:07] neighborhoods wha els is
[2:03:09] ing to happe and what
[2:03:09] s
[2:03:11] gog to happen to our property
[2:03:14] vaes in our nghboood? Now
[2:03:14] we
[2:03:16] veot the safety concerns
[2:03:19] with nse migatn and all
[2:03:21] that.Nd wou really hop
[2:03:24] th I this business conties
[2:03:26] dhey do install eig more
[2:03:28] coolers andhey have a big
[2:03:29] wallroun it, tha that
[2:03:31] going to sol the issueut I
[2:03:33] wonder I there hav been oth
[2:03:36] udie that hav been de
[2:03:37] where tho kind o situaons
[2:03:41] have ested where they
[2:03:41] ve put
[2:03:45] in a wal with that many
[2:03:47] cools, doe it solvehe
[2:03:49] issu for noise? I mean, that
[2:03:50] should be a splehing to
[2:03:53] diover somehow. And I wld I
[2:03:54] would hope tt theompa
[2:03:57] wouldome acrosnd help
[2:03:58] produc thatype of
[2:03:59] information. S tt
[2:04:00] s jt my
[2:04:02] $02 on it, really.Hank you
[2:04:04] for that. A Io agr with
[2:04:06] the others about not giving
[2:04:09] th a pmit. Thankou.
[2:04:16] Ank you.
[2:04:18] Od evening mayor. M name is
[2:04:20] ug Dexter. I livet060
[2:04:21] Woodlark Lane, rht across the
[2:04:24] strerom MR. Gustin there.
[2:04:27] So my bacard is pitching
[2:04:29] wedgeway fro the chillers.
[2:04:32] An Igree with erythg my
[2:04:33] neighbor have.
[2:04:34] Pitcng wedge I a varble
[2:04:35] meurement. Younow.
[2:04:37] And a kckedown into t
[2:04:42] wind Lot of great pois wer
[2:04:44] made. I, agreeith all of
[2:04:45] that. And it
[2:04:47] sard to loo at
[2:04:49] the studies and and trust
[2:04:50] them at a. Ihink they
[2:04:50] re
[2:04:52] questionable at best.O I
[2:04:54] would ue the to bore
[2:04:55] udies a Butore than tt,
[2:04:58] plea just s n to this and
[2:05:00] do n approve this. O pnt
[2:05:01] I
[2:05:01] d le to rai, and i
[2:05:02] keep thisrief tha hn
[2:05:03] t
[2:05:04] en brought up yet is t
[2:05:06] poteial impact of this l
[2:05:08] fruenc nse on cldre
[2:05:09] There are aot of young
[2:05:11] familiesnhe neighborhoo
[2:05:11] The
[2:05:12] s a schoo pilot Knob
[2:05:15] Elementary, rht aosshe
[2:05:17] marsh fm from tse chills.
[2:05:20] Andhere are long tm impac
[2:05:20] onhildren
[2:05:21] searings fro
[2:05:23] th perstent l fquen
[2:05:25] noise. Joh Hkins did a
[2:05:27] sty on ts, a it olines
[2:05:28] the negativ long tm impacts
[2:05:31] th these l freency,
[2:05:33] persistent nses from mhine
[2:05:34] su as thesehills c hav
[2:05:37] onhildren.O withhat said,
[2:05:39] Irge theounc t deny
[2:05:44] th. Thieque. So tnk
[2:05:51] u vy much.
[2:05:53] Od ening. My nes Bill
[2:05:55] Jacko. I live iagan. I don
[2:05:55] t
[2:05:58] live adjacentohis, t this
[2:05:59] facility, but I have an
[2:06:01] interestnhe proliferaon
[2:06:03] of data centers arod the
[2:06:06] cotry. Anyhow, fir of all,
[2:06:08] thank y, MAY, for the
[2:06:10] rigous queion. I thinkhat
[2:06:11] wasreat I reallppreciate
[2:06:13] that Several things I wt to
[2:06:17] y one believe that the
[2:06:18] with the conptf data center,
[2:06:20] when back I987as totally
[2:06:22] different than h it is
[2:06:23] perceid today, the
[2:06:23] so way
[2:06:26] u can say that how aata
[2:06:27] cent w use back then. You
[2:06:29] know, 40 years a orhater
[2:06:31] iss inny wayonsistent
[2:06:32] withhat theirlan is for the
[2:06:35] us ofhat facility today.
[2:06:38] mber two in vw ofow
[2:06:38] they
[2:06:39] ve aeady kind of bken
[2:06:41] the lawn the in inslling
[2:06:44] those tporahillers and
[2:06:45] not havg a pn for wt the
[2:06:47] tent t do with that. T
[2:06:48] ultimatelan for that
[2:06:51] cility. It sms like ts I
[2:06:52] is being de aroundhe
[2:06:53] countr where you kinf break
[2:06:54] things fst andsk for
[2:06:56] forgivenes o ask for
[2:06:57] forgenes ler. Ielie
[2:06:58] it
[2:06:59] s a baday to d things.
[2:07:01] You shod in, first of all go
[2:07:03] inhere with a dinite plan,
[2:07:05] get appval for that pn, a
[2:07:07] then proceed wit an appved
[2:07:10] an. And justastl I
[2:07:12] believhat ts their
[2:07:15] propedses ionsient
[2:07:17] with both the landse pla for
[2:07:21] the area and als for the data
[2:07:24] center restrictis tt we
[2:07:27] ha in thi in ts city.
[2:07:30] Thank you.
[2:07:39] Additial comments.
[2:07:41] My ne is Jun a this isy
[2:07:43] sister alm w
[2:07:43] liv in
[2:07:46] Ean for s years. We le at
[2:07:49] 3060oon Lane, wch is really
[2:07:53] cle t t subject site.
[2:07:53] We
[2:07:54] re worried aut the conrt
[2:07:57] sod because eve a lik the
[2:08:00] acptable levels of2 to
[2:08:03] 51db.
[2:08:05] Can aectleep and stress
[2:08:07] vels Whe you eeriee
[2:08:08] cotantly, it dsn
[2:08:09] t seem
[2:08:12] right to havet closeo hom
[2:08:14] and the schl.
[2:08:16] So w wouldrge yuys to
[2:08:19] deine this ruest Thank
[2:08:20] yo
[2:08:22] Thk you.
[2:08:35] Adtional comnts.
[2:08:36] It
[2:08:36] s goingo b hard to bea
[2:08:39] thos two for aold star. My
[2:08:41] name is anattis and I live a
[2:08:43] 3083 Timberwolf Trail, and I
[2:08:45] belie that our home,ur
[2:08:46] wnho, we
[2:08:46] re part of t
[2:08:47] Timberwolfillage townhome
[2:08:49] communy. Believe tt our
[2:08:50] partularownhes les
[2:08:53] than00ft fm those cller
[2:08:54] And a question haves, is
[2:08:57] that anpproiate distance?
[2:08:59] That seemsretty cse to m
[2:09:00] and we have the add pleure
[2:09:02] ofooking athem o of all
[2:09:04] of our windows I
[2:09:05] m goingo be
[2:09:06] ve bef. I agree wit many
[2:09:08] of the commes. I appciate
[2:09:10] all ofhe extra information. I
[2:09:11] too am lrnin an incdible
[2:09:12] amount of infmatibout
[2:09:12] ings reallyidn
[2:09:13] t want t
[2:09:18] know, but toour cret,agan
[2:09:20] got aot of media attention
[2:09:22] forutti a pau onata
[2:09:24] nter expansions, going from
[2:09:25] four chiller to eht chiller
[2:09:26] whenhey already hhat
[2:09:27] anne Sous le an
[2:09:31] expaion t me. Hopehat
[2:09:33] u decline ando notppro
[2:09:36] thr reque. Thanks.
[2:09:42] Adtion comments.
[2:09:43] Good eveng. Tha you for
[2:09:44] being he, and thank you for
[2:09:46] steng. And thank y f
[2:09:48] e lef questioning. I was
[2:09:49] at the council ohe planning
[2:09:51] meeting las week,nd between
[2:09:52] last weekndhis week, I
[2:09:52] ve
[2:09:53] leard aot. I
[2:09:53] ll goack to
[2:09:55] my ne. M ne isegan
[2:09:57] McAnews. Those are som of my
[2:09:59] babysitters back there. I live
[2:10:03] at06 on Loonane. I am not
[2:10:05] an attorney. I
[2:10:05] m n a zonin
[2:10:06] pert I
[2:10:07] veearn so muc
[2:10:08] from Mik I thankedim aer
[2:10:10] last Thursy becau I was
[2:10:10] ally blownway with the
[2:10:13] presentation. B I doake a
[2:10:14] common sen approach toost
[2:10:15] thgs inife, and that
[2:10:16] s wha
[2:10:16] I
[2:10:17] m aing youo doonig.
[2:10:18] D I
[2:10:19] m asking you t use
[2:10:24] mmon sse asou vote. A
[2:10:25] uple of things that stand o
[2:10:27] me. You firstine of
[2:10:28] estiing, MAY, I thought,
[2:10:31] was spot on. When y make a
[2:10:32] investment thisarge I wld
[2:10:33] image theery firsthing
[2:10:35] at y would looknto is the
[2:10:36] zoni for theroperty. And as
[2:10:38] otrsave alluded to,ata
[2:10:40] centers in 17 are n what
[2:10:42] da centersreoday MR.
[2:10:43] Bakk, you ao asked se
[2:10:46] grt qstions and got se
[2:10:48] informion from t applicant
[2:10:50] on the type of chiers. Do
[2:10:53] wa to belear las wee we
[2:10:56] lened tha t te ofermi
[2:10:57] chillers tha are being alied
[2:10:57] fo theon
[2:10:59] t use wat,
[2:10:59] th
[2:11:00] re not tatersing
[2:11:02] ones, but the do use lik an
[2:11:03] inedible aunt of
[2:11:04] ectrity. There
[2:11:04] s tde
[2:11:06] off with data cterooli
[2:11:08] systems.Ou either the use
[2:11:09] use a ton ofater or a ton o
[2:11:10] electrity. So thenes that
[2:11:10] they
[2:11:12] veppli forse a ton
[2:11:15] of electricity I think the
[2:11:16] wonho justpoke before me
[2:11:17] al took cmonsense
[2:11:19] apoach to math, which isf
[2:11:20] we
[2:11:22] ret 4 ofccesries now
[2:11:24] with the da center,ith
[2:11:27] thre tin flatbed temrary
[2:11:29] chillers, I imagi that eight
[2:11:32] seems le aost double that.
[2:11:33] Iss also alignedith
[2:11:33] marking.
[2:11:34] M a milleial, s
[2:11:36] ofourse Iust got on the
[2:11:37] internet a looked up
[2:11:39] everhing I could on Iro Gate,
[2:11:40] and y can find rendering o
[2:11:42] theropodataente It
[2:11:42] s
[2:11:44] out there Lks lik a nn
[2:11:46] blue spaship and I
[2:11:49] wrapped in aarbe wire fence.
[2:11:51] Very welming, I tnk. View
[2:11:51] whenou
[2:11:52] re driving dow Pilot
[2:11:55] Knob io oonderful city.
[2:11:55] That
[2:11:57] s sarstic comment.
[2:11:59] There.
[2:12:00] Thanks for poiing itut.
[2:12:02] Yes,es, yesor tho that
[2:12:02] don
[2:12:04] t know me, ao o the
[2:12:05] maetin materials, I is
[2:12:06] clearly stated it
[2:12:07] a
[2:12:08] co-locion cter. S as I
[2:12:09] arnbout data centers,he
[2:12:12] colo center is whe they lse
[2:12:15] itut t various tenan a
[2:12:17] it is mketed up to a capacity
[2:12:21] of 30mw.O n at nin at
[2:12:25] 46%, the Unisys se was at
[2:12:27] ne megatts. Mik shad
[2:12:28] some gre information about
[2:12:30] other Eagan dataente ses
[2:12:32] thatre a well under ten. I
[2:12:34] lieve ne ofhose are zoned
[2:12:38] for r. Commo sensepproach.
[2:12:40] This is zon for r.T
[2:12:41] s
[2:12:42] surrnded by our beautiful
[2:12:45] park, beautiful greenpace.
[2:12:46] The bluff is one o my favorite
[2:12:48] placeso walk. I walk pt the
[2:12:50] si and in thi nghborhood
[2:12:52] androunowno theohe
[2:12:53] communy center, t the
[2:12:54] playound t the farme
[2:12:57] rket Preyuch every day.
[2:13:00] And lt my tra of tught
[2:13:03] There I
[2:13:05] m asking you tose
[2:13:09] mmon sense, lookit them
[2:13:10] as a nghbond how ty
[2:13:11] enteredhe nghborhood.
[2:13:12] They
[2:13:13] re n enting withny
[2:13:15] rt of tstwohy or
[2:13:18] transparent behavior. W are a
[2:13:20] really tig knitommutyn
[2:13:22] the neighborhoo behd. I kno
[2:13:23] theimbe wood Fol Villa
[2:13:27] fos are as well. I have no
[2:13:28] nfidce thathis woulde a
[2:13:29] goodddition to our
[2:13:31] neighborhood and to o
[2:13:33] communy. It would n add
[2:13:35] jobs, itould add nsend
[2:13:38] ligh pollution on scalehat
[2:13:38] I d
[2:13:40] t think any os want.
[2:13:42] Near our beautiful park, near
[2:13:43] ourommunity cter,ear our
[2:13:45] irgrounds, and certainly not
[2:13:46] ne o homes, certain not
[2:13:48] near a schl. And I mht a
[2:13:50] that the Del site iseing
[2:13:51] pland for, I bieve,
[2:13:52] fordable hsing, accsible
[2:13:54] housinixed use development.
[2:13:55] Thi it
[2:13:55] s would b a very
[2:13:58] d lookor the city t have
[2:14:00] fordle houng devopment
[2:14:02] offered in the shadow,
[2:14:04] teray, o a 30 mawatt
[2:14:06] ta center.Hank yor
[2:14:08] heing me out a aga, I
[2:14:10] thank you a for yr time and
[2:14:11] your exptise
[2:14:13] Thankou.
[2:14:27] Ditional cment.
[2:14:30] Tom Lopez le her I Eagan. I
[2:14:32] woul like to proseo the
[2:14:35] counl that the actuallalk
[2:14:37] th neiborhood andeel the
[2:14:39] pain tha thesendivuals are
[2:14:41] having, that that
[2:14:42] s going 24
[2:14:46] hos a d and not alling
[2:14:49] th to u their bkyar.
[2:14:50] That
[2:14:51] s their ctle. Tt
[2:14:52] s
[2:14:53] their home. Now it
[2:14:54] bee
[2:14:56] vade byoise. But ang
[2:14:58] wi that,ust lik with the
[2:15:01] Airportoise Comssion,
[2:15:02] they
[2:15:03] re phingor quieter
[2:15:05] airplas a therere quier
[2:15:07] airplanes. And would kw
[2:15:09] th therehoul be qeter
[2:15:11] chillers. Don
[2:15:13] t see w
[2:15:13] meone isn
[2:15:15] working and
[2:15:19] loing into quier equipment
[2:15:20] So there
[2:15:23] some se give a
[2:15:26] ta. I think a lite bit, but
[2:15:30] theed to to b par of ts
[2:15:32] communit They needo take
[2:15:34] me action onhemsves and
[2:15:37] identify some betterquipment.
[2:15:39] Ank you.
[2:15:44] Additional comments. Onc
[2:15:46] twic sd. I
[2:15:47] ll bring I bac
[2:15:48] to couil fordditnal
[2:15:50] coersation and or motions,
[2:15:50] bute
[2:15:52] ll startithiss
[2:15:53] Mier identying questns
[2:15:56] that she was able to fromhat.
[2:15:57] And we
[2:15:58] ll go fm there.
[2:15:59] Okay Mr.Ayor, memrs of the
[2:16:00] cocil, I will srt dow the
[2:16:01] list understanngome MAY
[2:16:03] ve bn a bit mor rhetocal
[2:16:04] necessily tha requiring an
[2:16:05] aner,ut I will let y be
[2:16:06] theudge of those So the
[2:16:07] first questio I heard fro
[2:16:09] Kathy was t applicant told b
[2:16:10] the cityhat the eense
[2:16:12] relatedo soundtudies was at
[2:16:14] e rk of thepplint and
[2:16:15] did notean an iup would b
[2:16:19] approv.
[2:16:21] I should pbablefer tt,
[2:16:23] MR. MAY, to the city attorne
[2:16:24] wh hadonveations wh the
[2:16:28] apicant aut.
[2:16:30] MR. MAY, yh.
[2:16:31] The noi mitigionall
[2:16:33] bemehen itas became
[2:16:34] necessary, I became par of
[2:16:36] e mhanical pert. I was
[2:16:38] theity staffuilt. Itasn
[2:16:38] theesidt
[2:16:39] s best interest to
[2:16:41] gethatoise mitigatio wal
[2:16:43] up as soo as possie. Eve
[2:16:45] prr to the iup bei
[2:16:47] prov, becse clely ty
[2:16:52] were havg hvy impts,
[2:16:53] cause we wer then becau
[2:16:56] the noise mitigation wal was
[2:16:58] pa of the mechanical pert
[2:16:59] to aually connect the
[2:17:01] chilrs weere approving. We
[2:17:03] approved the mecnical permit
[2:17:04] to cnect the temporary
[2:17:06] ille. Por toow, the
[2:17:10] p, but there w conversation
[2:17:13] about the cditialature of
[2:17:14] are y, we
[2:17:14] repproving
[2:17:15] this mechanical permit prioro
[2:17:16] th iup but it
[2:17:17] sonditional
[2:17:19] at theity attorney finish
[2:17:20] that.
[2:17:21] S. Mr.Ayor the buildg
[2:17:23] offial made it clear that
[2:17:24] you
[2:17:24] re proedin at youwn
[2:17:25] sk.
[2:17:26] Thank y..
[2:17:28] At you own cost and ris
[2:17:28] I don
[2:17:29] tant to interpt the
[2:17:30] fl.
[2:17:30] Because kno we
[2:17:30] re getti to
[2:17:33] the residents questions, but
[2:17:37] the grantg of t the
[2:17:38] ilding permit for the
[2:17:39] mporaryall and everying
[2:17:40] el tha doesn
[2:17:41] tonstitute an
[2:17:43] endorsemen o a final
[2:17:44] permanent use o cree an
[2:17:48] entitlement to aermantse.
[2:17:50] MR..Ayor Councilma Bakken,
[2:17:53] no, whoug it was sce the
[2:17:55] applicant started the tempora
[2:17:56] chilrs whout the appval
[2:17:57] an wer receiving noise
[2:18:00] complaints.E indicat it
[2:18:01] might be inour bestntert
[2:18:04] to p thi sound barer u
[2:18:06] t doi so, remd h I
[2:18:08] at yourwnisk aour own
[2:18:09] expense.
[2:18:10] Okay?
[2:18:12] And t other optn waso
[2:18:13] cease oratisfhe
[2:18:15] chilleight?
[2:18:16] S.
[2:18:19] Okay. Okay.
[2:18:19] I
[2:18:20] m connuin on several
[2:18:21] quesons for Mia.Irst one
[2:18:23] being if the intim useermi
[2:18:24] ispprovednd Ironate is
[2:18:26] ven, the ierim use pert,
[2:18:27] will Iro Gate b alled to
[2:18:29] install theechacal yard,
[2:18:30] including the eightermant
[2:18:31] chillers,r as a new public
[2:18:34] process requiredithaid
[2:18:35] oces with theublic?E
[2:18:36] able toomme o t changes
[2:18:37] to theite or whouthat
[2:18:38] procs, with theublic.E
[2:18:41] able to comnt.
[2:18:44] MR. MAY, the the pernent
[2:18:45] chillers a is a mechacal
[2:18:47] permit in for the pernent
[2:18:48] chillers. Auilding pmit
[2:18:49] wi als be require for tha
[2:18:50] because the masry wl
[2:18:52] permsounow buildin
[2:18:53] permits, mhanicalermits a
[2:18:55] appred administrately. S
[2:18:57] there io public mting
[2:18:59] ocessn thepprol o a
[2:19:03] buildingr mechanical permit
[2:19:06] Next question. Doe the plic
[2:19:07] ve accesso communication
[2:19:08] twee the appcant a t
[2:19:13] city Ieard doeshe plic
[2:19:15] ve accesso communicati
[2:19:16] between t applicant and the
[2:19:17] city, iluding, I would say
[2:19:18] what we
[2:19:18] vencluded I our
[2:19:19] pack would b my aneotal
[2:19:23] comment.
[2:19:25] I mean,ccessasically we
[2:19:26] provided I think some o that
[2:19:27] infoation I part o t
[2:19:31] packet There mht be oer
[2:19:32] communicatns withhe
[2:19:34] apicant offli tt was
[2:19:36] communiced befe. Tt is
[2:19:37] not partf t packet tha
[2:19:37] wasn
[2:19:38] relevant to the
[2:19:40] communicatn wh wit
[2:19:40] counci
[2:19:41] consideration. Thi
[2:19:42] item
[2:19:43] Okay
[2:19:45] Willutur noi studies be
[2:19:46] do on wknights and
[2:19:47] ekends, wch is the tim of
[2:19:48] y and neighbors are
[2:19:53] pericinghe mt noi.
[2:19:59] MR. Mayor, the. Noi study was
[2:20:00] done which sai that if they
[2:20:02] implemen this wall,t shoul
[2:20:05] meet noisetandards. Nse
[2:20:08] evuati was completed that
[2:20:10] said tt a between 3 and 4
[2:20:12] m. On a ctain day itid
[2:20:16] notxcee nse standar
[2:20:17] There is a condition of
[2:20:20] apoval that ss that the
[2:20:23] ciay request addiona
[2:20:24] noe stues or noi
[2:20:27] evaluaons. I wld def to
[2:20:29] e city attney on. Under
[2:20:32] what critea could w require
[2:20:32] at?On
[2:20:33] t tnk that we
[2:20:34] uld requirehat everyay,
[2:20:36] but would derhat to the
[2:20:38] ci attorney. As far as how
[2:20:39] ofn or whe we cou require
[2:20:41] addional noise stues or
[2:20:45] noise evaluions.
[2:20:49] Mr.Ayor.T has toe
[2:20:50] raonal related to have a
[2:20:51] nexuso the wt you
[2:20:51] ve
[2:20:52] approv. So I you
[2:20:53] ve arove
[2:20:55] is subject to t noise wall,
[2:20:56] then city all of a sudn gets
[2:20:58] another doz complaintes,
[2:20:59] we could we cld have fol
[2:21:01] th condition and say we need
[2:21:04] other noise study.
[2:21:06] And to addn fai to say the
[2:21:07] we cou add a noi study
[2:21:08] would b need. Thatould
[2:21:09] includ weekend hours a
[2:21:12] eknight hours. Is ttrue?
[2:21:14] Yes. Oka
[2:21:16] the MPCatandds dineate
[2:21:17] cotant noise versus on and
[2:21:20] of noise?
[2:21:23] No. The MPCa, MPCa standds
[2:21:27] sicallyreubject to the
[2:21:31] hours specied here.O
[2:21:31] basillyt
[2:21:33] s bed on dibel
[2:21:36] vels beten 7nd 10 p.
[2:21:38] And the 10 P.M. To 7 a.. So
[2:21:41] it isot spefic to mbe
[2:21:43] the continuous basically
[2:21:44] lower freency nois tt
[2:21:46] migh be generated tha maye
[2:21:49] consider more of nsance
[2:21:51] than reay nse vlati.
[2:21:52] Okay.
[2:21:53] Hrd Timsked the questns
[2:21:54] what will hapn tohe
[2:21:55] property valsf t
[2:21:57] neighbhood if ts busines
[2:21:58] ves forwardndave other
[2:22:00] studieseen done on simil
[2:22:01] da cter busesseo know
[2:22:03] whether wallndmprovements
[2:22:04] asropod wl solve the
[2:22:06] ise issues, aone wts to
[2:22:08] ke, that one
[2:22:09] I.
[2:22:11] M surehere are pbabl
[2:22:12] sties that a out there,
[2:22:14] whethe what
[2:22:15] somplating to
[2:22:18] at is wt type of wha type
[2:22:19] of cooling system are they
[2:22:21] opating? Is it the se type
[2:22:23] of mhanical, younow,
[2:22:24] mponts a part of tha So
[2:22:24] there
[2:22:25] s som comications
[2:22:26] at, you know, it
[2:22:26] s not
[2:22:28] necessily apples to apples.
[2:22:30] And t last qstio I hrd,
[2:22:31] whic perps w rhetorical,
[2:22:33] but wts the iact o l
[2:22:33] fruenc noise on the
[2:22:35] children,artilarly tse
[2:22:37] atteing the neay sool?
[2:22:37] Don
[2:22:38] t kno tha we have that
[2:22:39] data at ts time.
[2:22:41] And.
[2:22:43] Mr.Ayor we don
[2:22:44] t have tha
[2:22:45] data. That reay is a health
[2:22:47] issue. Thaeally I the ste
[2:22:49] of Minsota gernance,ublic
[2:22:52] health. And we areust lik we
[2:22:55] need to ade bpa standards
[2:22:59] foroise The state sets wt
[2:23:02] thresholds are for health.
[2:23:03] Thos a the questions that I
[2:23:06] had written dn. MR. MAY.
[2:23:07] Thank you.
[2:23:08] Cocilmber Hann.
[2:23:09] D like
[2:23:11] toollow up with point tt
[2:23:15] waade in cments at lst
[2:23:16] thre separat times that I
[2:23:16] don
[2:23:17] t thi h been dirtly
[2:23:18] addressed. And I
[2:23:19] dike to ask
[2:23:24] . Margoliesf if.
[2:23:25] Three cllers.
[2:23:29] E suffient tporarily, why
[2:23:30] ishere a nee for eig
[2:23:31] chilrs permanely? Is thi
[2:23:33] an indicatn of pnnedrowt
[2:23:36] in the dat center?
[2:23:37] I don
[2:23:38] kno if I havehe
[2:23:41] answero that. Councilmemb.
[2:23:42] Th it MAY haveoo with the
[2:23:44] efficiency. I MAY he to do
[2:23:46] with how they opete. I has
[2:23:47] do with theemann the
[2:23:47] buding Ion
[2:23:48] t know the
[2:23:50] answer to tha There have been
[2:23:52] a number of questions tight
[2:23:52] which I c
[2:23:55] t answer, and it
[2:23:55] s
[2:23:57] not because I
[2:23:58] m evasive It
[2:23:58] s
[2:23:59] because I
[2:23:59] mtupid. D
[2:23:59] t
[2:24:00] ow wt thosehenswers,
[2:24:02] oseuestions a. We
[2:24:03] ve
[2:24:04] ied to not them. A if the
[2:24:07] council wou like, w would
[2:24:09] work hard to try and gethe
[2:24:10] swer to yourpecic
[2:24:11] questions.E
[2:24:12] ve tried t be
[2:24:14] respsive t erythg tt
[2:24:17] the cityas asked us too
[2:24:18] and thenowy sdies and the
[2:24:19] way yousked uso dohem. We
[2:24:20] provided the information you
[2:24:21] aske We
[2:24:22] llontie to do
[2:24:24] th. And if it
[2:24:24] s the council
[2:24:27] desi to hav us pvideore
[2:24:28] informion, the tha
[2:24:28] what
[2:24:29] we
[2:24:30] ll do. If it
[2:24:30] she council
[2:24:30] s
[2:24:32] desire f us toave a public
[2:24:33] meing and he more
[2:24:34] discussions and g more
[2:24:36] information fm the fro the
[2:24:38] fr the neighrhoo w
[2:24:38] re
[2:24:41] happ to do tha If you fee
[2:24:41] at tre
[2:24:43] s mornformation
[2:24:44] that you nd in ordero make
[2:24:45] is decision orhat hasn
[2:24:48] been put ohe record or whe.
[2:24:53] Hay andnd willingo do
[2:24:55] at.
[2:24:56] And we appreate tha would
[2:24:59] be interested in knowing why
[2:25:04] eit chillers areeede.
[2:25:05] MR. Mayor.
[2:25:09] Cocil.
[2:25:11] Just to comment on erythg
[2:25:12] that we
[2:25:12] ve hnd I
[2:25:13] keep it
[2:25:16] etty short he.Nd I look
[2:25:19] at this almt entirely throu
[2:25:22] the lenf lan use And I
[2:25:24] m
[2:25:24] I gss I
[2:25:27] say, incdulous
[2:25:29] As far a I canell, there
[2:25:29] s a
[2:25:31] numerous data cters around
[2:25:34] the Tn Cities that a that
[2:25:35] are developed by thisroup
[2:25:35] andnd I d
[2:25:36] t understd
[2:25:37] w they wldn
[2:25:39] t kno to do
[2:25:41] thr d diligence t see I
[2:25:42] thehills onhe building
[2:25:45] are working pperly, that it
[2:25:45] s
[2:25:47] aermiedse in thi area,
[2:25:48] that they
[2:25:48] re gting the pror
[2:25:50] peitso do theuildgnd,
[2:25:53] and, and mechacal perts.
[2:25:56] Ourules he in Eagan a not
[2:25:57] that arce. They
[2:25:58] re nothat
[2:26:00] diffent tha any otherity.
[2:26:00] And I
[2:26:04] m just cious how
[2:26:06] ca youome in here a not
[2:26:08] derstand the basic rulesf
[2:26:10] wou, you kw, put new
[2:26:15] usento a buildin? And my
[2:26:17] biggt concern, and I tnk
[2:26:19] Tim mentied it earer, I
[2:26:19] what
[2:26:23] sext? I mean. How many
[2:26:24] re times is somethi else
[2:26:26] gog to happen? For example
[2:26:27] mae an eansion? We don
[2:26:28] t
[2:26:30] kn. Ds it hpen fst and
[2:26:31] then weind outbout it
[2:26:33] ter? Think we need to me
[2:26:36] surehat theules we here
[2:26:39] beg respected. Tha
[2:26:39] all I
[2:26:39] have
[2:26:41] MR.
[2:26:43] Counciembe Fields.
[2:26:44] I
[2:26:45] m going to ppose.
[2:26:46] A motion.
[2:26:50] Gng to dirt, prepa
[2:26:51] d prepare. Finding the fac
[2:26:53] renial for theix mth
[2:26:55] interim use pert to aow
[2:26:57] ouoor stoge of fou tiler
[2:26:59] chillers units on t prorty,
[2:27:02] located at 319 Pot Kno
[2:27:04] Ro, legally described as lot
[2:27:06] block one. Unisys Pk.
[2:27:09] Send now. Tnk you. So here,
[2:27:09] here I
[2:27:11] m sting I
[2:27:11] been at
[2:27:14] isn this dt fver6
[2:27:17] years,nd I have never seen a
[2:27:20] deloperomen witho
[2:27:22] king to speako a couil
[2:27:25] meer askin to wor Youid
[2:27:27] rk wh our cit staff aft
[2:27:33] the fact,nd the dregardor
[2:27:37] the whole cy process. I mn,
[2:27:39] ve bee a comnity and a
[2:27:42] counlor a lg timehere
[2:27:43] We
[2:27:43] we
[2:27:46] re family. We hav
[2:27:49] builthis city for our pple.
[2:27:53] We p arocess togetr for
[2:27:56] an aa study We metith t
[2:27:58] elemenry schoo kids. W m
[2:28:00] with atarketest, with t
[2:28:02] peop of the cy ofagan
[2:28:03] Whatid they wan us t do
[2:28:06] th this aa? A w came up
[2:28:07] with a gre pla We
[2:28:07] oing
[2:28:09] to he new peoe I w
[2:28:11] going t hav homes, affordable
[2:28:14] usin MAY somusinesses.
[2:28:15] U dn
[2:28:15] t ask. You didn
[2:28:16] tome
[2:28:17] in a ask. Youidn
[2:28:18] t care.
[2:28:19] You just said, oka we
[2:28:19] re
[2:28:21] going to do thi But the one
[2:28:23] thinghataughte off guard
[2:28:26] is how my tim I heard, I d
[2:28:29] not kw. I d not kw. Have
[2:28:32] counted at least5. Io not
[2:28:36] knowhat tss why I d
[2:28:36] t
[2:28:38] ow I you bong I thi
[2:28:40] greatity. Sohat
[2:28:41] s my.
[2:28:42] At
[2:28:46] s my opinionnd abody
[2:28:48] else wants to add.
[2:28:50] Councilmemr Bucket.
[2:28:53] So well Iuppo theotio
[2:28:54] Yeah Motio is made a
[2:28:55] second. The motn on the
[2:28:57] tabl here.
[2:28:59] And I commend MR. Marlies for
[2:29:01] beg a very efftivend
[2:29:02] zeous advocate for you
[2:29:05] client. I, I aire the
[2:29:05] rratehat you
[2:29:06] ve p
[2:29:07] forwar Withll due resct,
[2:29:08] I
[2:29:10] m not quite buying I The
[2:29:12] main narrative I that this is
[2:29:13] thing more than a
[2:29:14] continuation of a
[2:29:15] wellstabshed historil
[2:29:18] use. Strony disree wit
[2:29:21] th characterizatio to t
[2:29:22] exte that
[2:29:24] mot comfortable
[2:29:24] granting t Ey
[2:29:26] p, because I
[2:29:27] thk it would repsent or
[2:29:31] able a fundantal change in
[2:29:34] the use of troperty. The
[2:29:36] histical use has been an
[2:29:38] acssory use, a sllerse
[2:29:40] methingeconry andn
[2:29:41] suppt of t mai u ofhe
[2:29:42] property, which is resrch a
[2:29:45] developmen I did ask a numr
[2:29:47] ofuestns. T to fd out
[2:29:49] wh exactly I goingn here.
[2:29:49] It
[2:29:53] not tt. Ts type of
[2:29:55] acon should more prorly be
[2:29:57] nsided in a plic pcess
[2:29:58] through a guide chaend or
[2:29:59] zong.
[2:30:00] Ange
[2:30:00] it
[2:30:03] s goi to happent all.
[2:30:04] D although we
[2:30:05] re not
[2:30:07] addressing tho questions
[2:30:08] tonight becse it I just an
[2:30:12] iep, tt pcess wouldlso
[2:30:14] mo properly aow the cncil
[2:30:17] t div into issues of
[2:30:20] electric and wat u, you
[2:30:22] ow, to the nghbo, the
[2:30:23] city doesn
[2:30:23] t do sff with
[2:30:25] ectrity. I mea it
[2:30:25] s
[2:30:26] thern this neck of the
[2:30:26] wood it
[2:30:27] s either Xl or
[2:30:28] kota Electric. I tnk ts
[2:30:31] property I served by Excel.
[2:30:32] Ther are ways that t power
[2:30:35] company can proct ratepayers
[2:30:36] om t impts ofata
[2:30:38] ceers through theower
[2:30:39] puhase agreent. I think
[2:30:39] it
[2:30:41] s Exc. I havo idea wha
[2:30:41] they
[2:30:41] doing. It
[2:30:42] s beyondhe
[2:30:42] purviewf what we
[2:30:43] reoing
[2:30:44] toght. But just so that, you
[2:30:47] know,hose tes of of
[2:30:50] mitigatis c be de. And I
[2:30:52] ink possibly ihe context
[2:30:54] of land u changhe city
[2:30:56] MAY haveome authorio
[2:30:59] reire actio tt mitigate
[2:31:01] tentialmpactsn residents.
[2:31:01] We c
[2:31:02] t dohat withinhe
[2:31:05] scope on iep. I alsoave
[2:31:07] some ccern abo t
[2:31:09] chilrs andhe pns. You
[2:31:11] kn, the eventual conceptf a
[2:31:14] pl ofxpanngo 8 or 9
[2:31:17] permit chiers.Ounow, the
[2:31:18] the applica has sted, wl,
[2:31:21] ere werehree old one or
[2:31:23] 9 new one whi are more
[2:31:26] efficient aoss the boa.
[2:31:27] Ceainly I ter of the btu
[2:31:30] of cooli tha the produce.
[2:31:31] And it to me,t begs t
[2:31:33] question,hiss not a
[2:31:36] replacemt o an exiing u.
[2:31:38] It is a veryroadxpanon. I
[2:31:39] me, ateast a thr times
[2:31:41] expansion in the terms of the
[2:31:42] amount of activity that
[2:31:44] takinglace bause w els
[2:31:46] wouldou nd at lst three
[2:31:48] times a much BTUs of coong
[2:31:51] capacity? So I he questions
[2:31:53] abou tt. I, I don
[2:31:53] t s this
[2:31:55] as jt aeplament o
[2:31:56] existing equipment. At thend
[2:31:58] of theay, it is aeryroad
[2:32:00] expansion of wha shoulden
[2:32:02] acssor use Itmoun to
[2:32:05] fundamental change ihe t
[2:32:08] peitted lan use,nd f
[2:32:10] the rsons, I, I suprt t
[2:32:17] motion. Yeah. And mea the
[2:32:18] last thing is.
[2:32:20] I
[2:32:20] Again,t
[2:32:21] s beyd the sco of
[2:32:23] e conversation tonht. B
[2:32:23] butnef the thing w
[2:32:24] ll
[2:32:26] ve t talk aut I t sdy
[2:32:28] about dat centers in geral
[2:32:30] is t difference between
[2:32:32] aditnal dat cters which
[2:32:34] for for srage, wch are sort
[2:32:36] of akin to a room fl of
[2:32:39] ling cabinets,ounow,his
[2:32:40] facility was built in the 80s,
[2:32:43] I think, younow, I spent
[2:32:44] couple of sumrs worng
[2:32:47] asmbly at ibm I Rochester,
[2:32:49] d I know whaype of srage
[2:32:50] ings they were ung bk
[2:32:52] th. Y know, the wer
[2:32:53] t
[2:32:53] what
[2:32:55] seing ud today.Ou
[2:32:56] know conmers. You h the
[2:32:59] biisk dris, and w
[2:33:01] stil usi the the big 5.25i
[2:33:03] oppies f entpris Those
[2:33:05] uns had platters tt I mean,
[2:33:06] these things we le the siz
[2:33:09] of a disashe And the amount
[2:33:11] data that they cou store
[2:33:12] wasn
[2:33:13] all that much in
[2:33:14] comparison to today
[2:33:15] s data
[2:33:16] storage. B the
[2:33:16] s a
[2:33:18] fference beten aoom full
[2:33:20] of electrocilin cabets
[2:33:21] th people can reque and
[2:33:23] retrievenfortionrom, and
[2:33:25] compute. I don
[2:33:25] t see tt as an
[2:33:27] accessory storage use. It
[2:33:27] s
[2:33:31] more of aanufacturingrocess,
[2:33:31] whh I
[2:33:33] m not sure a conrsio
[2:33:36] of use from r&d to that type o
[2:33:37] proces is appropria. B
[2:33:38] agn,hat
[2:33:39] s beyon the scope
[2:33:40] of t conversation tonht.
[2:33:40] It
[2:33:41] something we
[2:33:41] re gng to
[2:33:45] ha toook into. A the
[2:33:47] rticular use you know, at
[2:33:48] some pointt
[2:33:49] s going toatte
[2:33:52] at exactly is bng renred.
[2:33:56] Causf the, the sversr
[2:33:58] the the comte cluers being
[2:33:59] hostedn site b whater
[2:34:01] compy are recving recving
[2:34:03] requests for cerin types of
[2:34:07] material a tn are served
[2:34:08] t to ping cusmers it
[2:34:09] s
[2:34:10] quite posble tt some of
[2:34:11] these facilits cld fall
[2:34:13] in the categor of a adult
[2:34:14] use facilit and.
[2:34:14] Ere
[2:34:15] s a.
[2:34:17] Whole saratet of
[2:34:20] rerictions that app to
[2:34:21] placeshat dohat sortf
[2:34:23] thing. So I don
[2:34:23] tave any
[2:34:25] answs for tha tight. But
[2:34:25] that
[2:34:26] s y another thi that
[2:34:28] ll need t lk at, because
[2:34:29] for tho tes ofacilies,
[2:34:31] therere scing ruirements
[2:34:32] om residential properties and
[2:34:33] aumbe of other, younow,
[2:34:35] rerictns oquareoota
[2:34:36] at c be dedicatedo it.
[2:34:38] They mayr MAY not apply in
[2:34:40] the future toata cenrs. But
[2:34:40] there
[2:34:41] s aifferenceetwe
[2:34:43] store and comte. So thank
[2:34:44] you for indulng me. He
[2:34:47] settled. B at the end of the
[2:34:48] y, Ion
[2:34:49] t sport theup
[2:34:50] cause.
[2:34:51] It it.
[2:34:53] Seems to me le a aackdr
[2:34:56] way of affecting a landse
[2:34:57] chge that
[2:34:57] s mor appropria
[2:35:02] fo a zoningr guidehang.
[2:35:02] Gue I
[2:35:03] ll I
[2:35:04] ll mak a few
[2:35:04] comments. I don
[2:35:05] t I don
[2:35:07] necearil meanorap it up,
[2:35:12] d I welcome all the cment,
[2:35:12] t I
[2:35:13] ll speak t a couplef
[2:35:15] differentssue Andnd I
[2:35:16] nt to say,irst off, MR.
[2:35:19] Rgol, I a lotf tngs I
[2:35:21] disagree with y on yr self
[2:35:23] characteritionstupid is
[2:35:24] onef tm. Don
[2:35:24] think
[2:35:25] you
[2:35:26] re stupid at a. I think
[2:35:27] you
[2:35:29] re qte ielligent and
[2:35:30] and I appreciate that. So I
[2:35:31] just want toorre the recd
[2:35:39] on thatne. The I thinkhere
[2:35:40] arewossues and the
[2:35:41] s one
[2:35:42] the table, buthere
[2:35:43] s a
[2:35:44] rger issue at hand that that
[2:35:45] it
[2:35:46] s n part of the motn
[2:35:46] ghtow. But I wld like t
[2:35:48] council to enttain the notion
[2:35:53] of ging se direction on the
[2:35:55] application for theermant
[2:35:56] aile thatre I frontf
[2:36:00] us. But on the iup, I
[2:36:01] ll start
[2:36:03] there, I gue, and then
[2:36:08] ogre on scifio the iup.
[2:36:14] Upportive of denl in
[2:36:20] part, I largeartecause.
[2:36:25] The Iind the presentatn of
[2:36:30] the nse stu to b confusing
[2:36:34] d incomplete, and the
[2:36:34] applicant
[2:36:35] s flure t be ae
[2:36:37] to asko awer questio
[2:36:39] abt howhat study was done
[2:36:42] on a technic lev,oes not
[2:36:47] see the iup and theix mon
[2:36:50] term. I know tt the
[2:36:50] s some
[2:36:52] disaeement on whatxactly
[2:36:54] was de in ter of the noi
[2:36:55] sties, and Ion
[2:36:56] t knowhat
[2:36:56] we
[2:36:58] ll get there.Ut fm
[2:36:59] what
[2:37:01] s bnresented and
[2:37:02] what
[2:37:04] able tomment on, I
[2:37:06] ha a baseline stu that
[2:37:08] takes int consideration a 24
[2:37:11] ur perd and docents or
[2:37:12] mols. I
[2:37:14] n sure which
[2:37:16] anticipated nse lels for
[2:37:19] th entire 24 hr period
[2:37:25] befohand. Ithenuts u,
[2:37:26] and for tse of you who
[2:37:26] ven
[2:37:27] t seent in t
[2:37:29] materials I prent, there
[2:37:29] s a
[2:37:30] wholeot of discussn witn
[2:37:32] the withinhe studiesnhe
[2:37:35] pact ofeather, o the
[2:37:36] movement of noise through t
[2:37:38] air. I
[2:37:39] a liberalrts major.
[2:37:39] I d
[2:37:41] t get mos of it,ut
[2:37:42] appantly weaer has
[2:37:49] somethin too withhis. The
[2:37:53] sty o the other side is
[2:37:56] designed to, in my estimatio
[2:37:59] cherry pic anour beten 3
[2:38:02] and in theorning when its
[2:38:08] 40 m 40s, up. And m ccern
[2:38:09] is, I don
[2:38:11] t know how that
[2:38:13] weather cditionpeaks tohe
[2:38:15] velf operationf t
[2:38:20] chille. Four mths fromow,
[2:38:22] in Jun oruly, whatever, four
[2:38:27] months from n is a
[2:38:32] mperures that aren the
[2:38:36] s overnight, maybe even in
[2:38:38] e 8, overnig, high
[2:38:41] humidity cditions. Aven
[2:38:44] though theeportpeak toow
[2:38:47] weatr can iact noise,
[2:38:48] sending, it doe
[2:38:49] t tal toow
[2:38:51] variance withinhe chillers
[2:38:53] uld afft t noise
[2:38:55] decibels. So I find theoise
[2:38:57] udy onhe backndo be
[2:38:58] inadequate for bei able to
[2:39:01] assuhathe public heah
[2:39:03] and sety a welref the
[2:39:05] nehborod would b protected
[2:39:08] within the tms o t iup. S
[2:39:09] fo me, that
[2:39:10] s theasic rson
[2:39:11] y I
[2:39:12] mere to deny that and
[2:39:18] why Iuppo denying it.
[2:39:25] Beyond tha. I jus Ion
[2:39:26] t
[2:39:29] find the appachf the
[2:39:30] applicant to b very
[2:39:33] forthcomg or infortive a
[2:39:35] I arecie tt folks learned
[2:39:37] om som of my questions
[2:39:37] tonit. Don
[2:39:38] teel like I
[2:39:39] learnedhole lot, because I
[2:39:40] di
[2:39:42] t feel like was getng
[2:39:44] very clear or forthcoming
[2:39:48] swer and, younow, I, I
[2:39:53] think tt the rhetocalrick
[2:39:57] trying to ce a.
[2:40:00] Certificate of occupancy as the
[2:40:05] contllingntitlement to land
[2:40:07] that is carly already guided
[2:40:10] an zoned for aurpose that
[2:40:12] allows a dataenter toe an
[2:40:15] accessorot a pmary use,
[2:40:18] specis.Nd I
[2:40:18] m not
[2:40:21] inrest in bei suprtive
[2:40:23] of that. I mean, I think it is
[2:40:25] clear to me at least, that
[2:40:27] there is a sigfica amount
[2:40:29] of due digen that the
[2:40:34] applicant could have deo
[2:40:35] follow u onhat theyanted
[2:40:38] to do I terms of addhillers
[2:40:41] and usehepace asata
[2:40:44] nterhief among tm wld
[2:40:45] o thrgh the ordiny
[2:40:47] press of hing the lan we
[2:40:50] guided and rezed. To do tt,
[2:40:52] u put anpplition in with
[2:40:55] the cit Weome up with
[2:40:56] th a approach to wheth or
[2:40:57] note
[2:40:58] re going to d that, and
[2:41:03] alanor the site. The
[2:41:07] emergenc of temporary cllers
[2:41:10] to replace a stem. But then a
[2:41:13] further o uetermined
[2:41:15] permanent structure to come
[2:41:17] And not knowing what the
[2:41:19] decisionakin is between
[2:41:25] thos two, to me,s jus. Not
[2:41:27] aood represeatio o the
[2:41:27] e digencehat
[2:41:30] s reqred.
[2:41:31] U know,he moratorm that
[2:41:34] apted is for a ver
[2:41:36] ecifype of dat center,
[2:41:38] which, und crent
[2:41:41] ciumstance, asn aesso,
[2:41:43] us, ts property wou fit
[2:41:46] in, would fit int The problem.
[2:41:48] Is ty
[2:41:50] reot using it as an
[2:41:51] cessyse. They
[2:41:52] making
[2:41:54] no bonbout the ft tha
[2:41:55] they think theyough a data
[2:41:56] center, that they
[2:41:57] orating
[2:41:58] it as a data center, that
[2:41:59] that
[2:42:00] s t priry use of the
[2:42:01] data cenr.Hey don
[2:42:01] tven
[2:42:02] pretend that there
[2:42:03] anyffic
[2:42:05] us to it. The jus say it
[2:42:05] s a
[2:42:07] data cter bause we say it
[2:42:07] s
[2:42:11] aata cente bas on ceo.
[2:42:11] It
[2:42:14] s n a data center.T w
[2:42:16] neve operateds a da
[2:42:19] nter. It was opetedith a
[2:42:20] data center int asn
[2:42:24] accessy, not primary use.
[2:42:25] The land that ty are on right
[2:42:28] no isot is notntitd t
[2:42:31] be a standale or primary u
[2:42:34] data cenr. S that exten
[2:42:36] I just fd the, the thehe,
[2:42:43] e, the applicants to be. N
[2:42:44] doing the due dilence
[2:42:45] because tir due digen
[2:42:46] would get tmnswers ty
[2:42:47] don
[2:42:51] tike. My suggestion is
[2:42:53] that in additn t voting
[2:42:54] agains the iup, which I plan
[2:42:56] to do, I
[2:42:57] d likeo talk aut
[2:43:01] givi direction to sff that
[2:43:04] at we notpprove the
[2:43:06] rmanent cllers on
[2:43:07] construction level unt and
[2:43:09] less it I part o an
[2:43:12] applicatn for chaen
[2:43:15] landse.Ndt that pnt,e
[2:43:16] can conside both the change in
[2:43:18] nd use and the permanent
[2:43:20] consuction of sce f
[2:43:22] chilrsn the same
[2:43:23] conversati. Andhat
[2:43:24] s the
[2:43:25] y it shoule, and tt
[2:43:26] s
[2:43:27] e w the process usually
[2:43:30] work I am not I
[2:43:30] going to
[2:43:30] I
[2:43:31] m gng t loop backow to
[2:43:33] e I. I amot interesd in
[2:43:36] taking upr. Margoli onhe
[2:43:38] ggeson tt we d more
[2:43:40] study, because w areere,
[2:43:42] beuse theyoveorwa with
[2:43:43] a plan that wasn
[2:43:43] t fully
[2:43:44] thought o, wn
[2:43:45] t fly
[2:43:46] clear, a I thi they did
[2:43:50] do I in good faith. And and to
[2:43:53] that exten extending o this
[2:43:55] convsation and further
[2:43:57] rdening t neighborhood s
[2:43:59] thatheyanontinue to ski
[2:44:01] and go around thedges of
[2:44:02] regulations is not something
[2:44:03] I
[2:44:04] m intertedn doing.E
[2:44:06] haveeenlaying ges on this
[2:44:07] si for upwards of tee
[2:44:09] mohs rht now. I
[2:44:09] m not
[2:44:11] intereed in another three
[2:44:13] months oflayi games and
[2:44:13] I
[2:44:14] m n interested in going
[2:44:16] throughhis discuion again
[2:44:17] unless I
[2:44:18] s in the ctextf
[2:44:20] being forthcoming and in gd
[2:44:21] faith abo wt thentend
[2:44:24] landse is. N. At some
[2:44:29] point, repcing t cooling
[2:44:31] syem on the blding require
[2:44:34] r cller Threef which
[2:44:35] were going to b orational,
[2:44:36] one of whichasn
[2:44:36] toing to be
[2:44:37] erational, I was going to
[2:44:39] serve as a bkup. Now, what
[2:44:40] I
[2:44:43] m told is we want to go to
[2:44:46] uble that.T tt point,
[2:44:47] you
[2:44:48] re no longereplacing a
[2:44:49] coolg system. Y are
[2:44:52] expanding a cooli systeow
[2:44:53] what the level of expansi I
[2:44:54] Ion
[2:44:55] t know,ecausehe
[2:44:55] applicant hn
[2:44:56] t fthcong o
[2:45:00] that. But uil we knownd we
[2:45:01] have clearer sense of that,
[2:45:02] I
[2:45:02] not intereste ineein
[2:45:04] thepprol on the pernent
[2:45:07] permit eitr. So Cncil, I,
[2:45:08] I
[2:45:10] d throw tt u for you as a,
[2:45:12] as a discuion pnt in
[2:45:13] dition to the mion onhe
[2:45:14] table. S Cncilmber
[2:45:15] Babbitt.
[2:45:16] Thank
[2:45:17] Mar thathat that wld lead
[2:45:18] a question for our cit
[2:45:21] attoey if weould want to
[2:45:23] give direction to sff to hold
[2:45:25] of on arovalf the the
[2:45:27] permanent pmit,nless it
[2:45:29] cos to us as a part of a lan
[2:45:32] use chae reque, would that
[2:45:33] a sarate mion?
[2:45:35] MR. MAY? COUNCILMAN?Es,
[2:45:37] that woulde we. Staffoes
[2:45:41] needirection on it is seems a
[2:45:43] little usual to when when
[2:45:45] three word to applyor for
[2:45:48] ght and we need decti
[2:45:50] from council as to wheere
[2:45:52] should we be processing this.
[2:45:54] Shoulde a forore data on.
[2:45:56] Ishisnly going to sve
[2:45:58] ur neegawatt, or is it
[2:46:01] conserve 3w? Thesere things
[2:46:02] weon
[2:46:03] t knond think in
[2:46:03] lit o what w
[2:46:04] re heari
[2:46:06] nighhat it it
[2:46:08] s seems the
[2:46:09] wi ofhe council that ts
[2:46:11] is a lan use change, not a
[2:46:13] interim u permit change or
[2:46:14] applicatn, evehough that
[2:46:15] what before you. Soes, we
[2:46:16] would likeome directi. It
[2:46:18] wod be a sepate actio
[2:46:19] item
[2:46:21] Okay.
[2:46:24] Io I hav to we haveo do
[2:46:25] weaveo clearhe table of
[2:46:27] e original motion. Yes MR.
[2:46:27] Yor.
[2:46:28] Sounds goo
[2:46:31] So MAY couil I w want t
[2:46:32] if we have aitiol commes
[2:46:35] he and thee
[2:46:35] ll come
[2:46:36] backnd I
[2:46:36] ll mak aotion on
[2:46:37] directionfterwards.
[2:46:38] Anr. Mayorust poi of
[2:46:40] arifation. Theotion me
[2:46:41] s t approvef.
[2:46:45] Wenow to dy. Doe.
[2:46:46] Do we nottart.
[2:46:48] With simar t me to dhat.
[2:46:49] Planning Comssior.
[2:46:50] We d
[2:46:50] t do tha here. N
[2:46:51] Okay. You he the oion
[2:46:53] eier to arove o to direct
[2:46:55] our offic to ppare finngs.
[2:46:56] Okay. Tt was t mion I to
[2:46:58] epar findings of denl tha
[2:46:59] would beonsired aour
[2:47:00] next meeng.
[2:47:02] And athis point, Bob, from
[2:47:04] the conversatio you hav the
[2:47:06] the basically Joe,ou needo
[2:47:08] to draft those fding
[2:47:09] Yes,r. Mayor, okay.
[2:47:13] Soundsood. Councmemb.
[2:47:14] And I
[2:47:16] aaysangeus to
[2:47:18] try t follow the mayor becse
[2:47:19] he saidverying thaeeds
[2:47:21] toe said.
[2:47:22] I w well, eveuall I he
[2:47:23] torite
[2:47:24] I wiligently taking notes
[2:47:25] all the w tough the
[2:47:27] scussion, ande stolell my
[2:47:28] under. S.
[2:47:28] Sorry.
[2:47:33] Oh, so wl just s that
[2:47:34] there
[2:47:34] s a fdamental
[2:47:36] differen in how t the
[2:47:38] plicant vws thi property
[2:47:39] as comred to hhe city
[2:47:43] does. You kno and so Ihink
[2:47:44] whate
[2:47:45] re lefith is some
[2:47:46] unss we c do som thingso
[2:47:48] help crify t future o this
[2:47:48] operty. We
[2:47:49] ve got some
[2:47:50] uncertainty tonight. S I hope
[2:47:53] wean workhose out. A so
[2:47:54] justay I appreciate all t
[2:47:55] comments tt wereade. We
[2:47:58] heard your ccern about t
[2:48:00] imct onn theeighrhood,
[2:48:01] the peopl in the area,
[2:48:03] tentl impacn pubc
[2:48:06] heal. And I just tnk that
[2:48:08] at we heard tonight is really
[2:48:10] no consisten with the vion
[2:48:12] th we have for that area. And
[2:48:14] I also will supporthe
[2:48:15] moti to deny.
[2:48:16] East.
[2:48:16] ing.
[2:48:17] That
[2:48:19] I jusant to me it
[2:48:20] abdantlearhat the
[2:48:21] coerns that raised abo a
[2:48:22] poteialdult use
[2:48:24] implicatio are ino way
[2:48:25] informing the way I
[2:48:25] votg
[2:48:27] nigh has nothing to do wh
[2:48:28] the iep request It
[2:48:29] sust
[2:48:30] most an interesting thought
[2:48:31] exercise to baken io
[2:48:33] conseratn in theonte of
[2:48:34] e thetudy that
[2:48:34] bng done
[2:48:37] on the moratoriu So, Bob,
[2:48:37] don
[2:48:40] t incde that.
[2:48:40] It doesn
[2:48:42] matr without.
[2:48:43] Y additiona comments
[2:48:46] specific to the iup.
[2:48:47] , oka
[2:48:50] otion is made for t direct
[2:48:51] findings oact forenial o
[2:48:53] theup motn is me and
[2:48:54] secoed. Tre are no
[2:48:55] ditional comnts on tha
[2:48:55] one.
[2:48:57] Please.Hat are you dng? No,
[2:48:59] . Wlhey.
[2:48:59] They went wh.
[2:49:00] On.
[2:49:02] Ur reque.
[2:49:07] The mion is toeny.
[2:49:09] Thought y w dirting I
[2:49:12] No no no no.O,
[2:49:13] m sorry.
[2:49:14] We
[2:49:15] re good. Sorry.
[2:49:17] Motion is madnd seconded on
[2:49:19] the I. Are tre any more
[2:49:20] comments on the iup?
[2:49:21] No.
[2:49:22] Eing non All in favor of
[2:49:24] the motionor denl. Indice
[2:49:26] by saying aye Aye a. And
[2:49:28] oppose nay. Thaotion
[2:49:31] carries. And, Bob we
[2:49:31] ll b
[2:49:32] lookin toou for fdings o
[2:49:34] fact.Ome back. Councilmber
[2:49:35] Hanson, if you
[2:49:36] d le to make a
[2:49:39] motion. Secondarily,
[2:49:39] ll how
[2:49:40] abouto that and not take
[2:49:41] aw your thunder.
[2:49:42] And
[2:49:43] ll second it.
[2:49:45] There y go.
[2:49:47] Ok. Sous gd. Motion is
[2:49:48] ma. Well,o. Why don
[2:49:49] t y
[2:49:50] make theotio Because I did.
[2:49:52] Al I sd was make aotio
[2:49:53] Do you want t me a motion in
[2:49:56] term of direction to staff.
[2:49:57] You he the wordi for
[2:49:58] thatr.
[2:49:59] . Mayor, Ian read bk what
[2:50:00] you said pviously.
[2:50:02] Ifhat, plee.
[2:50:04] The direconas direct staff
[2:50:05] not to appve theight
[2:50:06] chilrs until saidhillers
[2:50:08] are a par of aand use
[2:50:11] applicatn fm the appcant
[2:50:13] moved.
[2:50:14] Ok, so it
[2:50:14] soved and
[2:50:15] conded.
[2:50:15] You said you
[2:50:16] d sonde
[2:50:18] Ok, whatever. Iust wanto
[2:50:19] make sureou g some thund,
[2:50:19] th
[2:50:20] s all.Ounow.
[2:50:20] Ankou. You don
[2:50:22] t nd it.
[2:50:23] It MAY beechnal, but the
[2:50:23] wayhat
[2:50:25] s wordes don
[2:50:26] approve tm untilhey
[2:50:27] re a
[2:50:28] pa ofn application But
[2:50:28] they
[2:50:29] d oy b approved if the
[2:50:32] apicatn itsfs approved.
[2:50:33] Rhaps inhert in pt of it.
[2:50:34] S. Okay.
[2:50:35] Just ming sure.
[2:50:37] Ye
[2:50:39] And I gss I
[2:50:40] ll. I alrdy
[2:50:41] spok to this,ut I just,ou
[2:50:43] know athe end of theay,,
[2:50:45] I justave a hard time n
[2:50:48] seng this as, I mean. Wl
[2:50:52] two things. O ihe
[2:50:54] plicant is carlysinghe
[2:50:56] space pmaris a data
[2:50:57] center, dsn
[2:50:58] tlaim to b
[2:50:59] using t spa for anying
[2:51:02] t aata cente and has an
[2:51:03] interptati tt suggests
[2:51:05] th can that I vehemently
[2:51:07] disagr with and tnk is
[2:51:11] wrg. S to tha extt, my
[2:51:19] suggestion is to not. Awardhe
[2:51:21] the pert on the eig
[2:51:22] ille bause theyre
[2:51:26] constent whhe gded
[2:51:27] d zoned lan use ohe
[2:51:33] proper.Eyond that, my
[2:51:37] suggestion would bhat if a
[2:51:39] land use proposal ces
[2:51:41] forwd, tt wld makehe
[2:51:44] chilleonsistent with the
[2:51:46] prary uf a dat center,
[2:51:47] that thatan be incded
[2:51:49] thin anpplition t change
[2:51:50] the landse and all that to
[2:51:52] ppen. But two separate
[2:51:54] reason mak sense. Miste
[2:51:54] Mayor?
[2:51:55] Ay.
[2:51:56] That
[2:51:58] s wha my my backup is.
[2:51:59] I d
[2:51:59] t need t go through what
[2:52:00] I
[2:52:00] ve alrdy sd. I think at
[2:52:06] thend o the day, I just. The
[2:52:10] level o due digence that I
[2:52:12] think suld he and was not
[2:52:17] donen ts proposal toet t
[2:52:19] the notio of eig jus see
[2:52:22] spect enoh that m sse is
[2:52:23] they are ting to chae the
[2:52:24] la use whout going tough
[2:52:26] the lan use change, a that
[2:52:27] th
[2:52:28] s inapproiate and tt I
[2:52:29] n
[2:52:30] t be a pt o it.
[2:52:33] Than you. I agree.
[2:52:38] Additional comnts a we
[2:52:39] ne toote on that motn as
[2:52:39] well.
[2:52:40] Ye
[2:52:42] ay. Motn is made and
[2:52:43] secoed. If tre are no
[2:52:44] additionalommes.Ll in
[2:52:44] vor.He motionigna
[2:52:45] sang.
[2:52:46] I,.
[2:52:48] And oosed n, that mion
[2:52:51] caies and decti I so
[2:52:54] given t ttaff With that
[2:52:57] we a at the cclusnf.
[2:52:58] 3 to.
[2:52:59] 1 our.
[2:53:02] Game of our gam tonight
[2:53:03] 101 yeah,
[2:53:04] over.
[2:53:05] With.Ut thewins won 1 to
[2:53:06] 3.
[2:53:07] Yeah.
[2:53:09] And and we
[2:53:09] re donen thi
[2:53:12] it. W he no oth business
[2:53:13] tonight. No listive and
[2:53:14] rgovernmental affairs
[2:53:15] update. No economic development
[2:53:17] thorit Rig to our
[2:53:18] administrative agenda. MR..
[2:53:19] City attorney anything?
[2:53:19] I hav notng, MR..
[2:53:21] Yor.
[2:53:23] An councilments?
[2:53:24] No sir
[2:53:27] Sengone.R.. MR..
[2:53:28] Adnistrator nothing.
[2:53:30] MR.. Mayor, MR..
[2:53:31] Directorf pubc wor.
[2:53:31] i have.
[2:53:32] Nog, MR..
[2:53:32] Mayor.
[2:53:33] MISS Dirtor community
[2:53:34] devepmentothing.
[2:53:37] MR.
[2:53:38] Arere business to be heard
[2:53:38] ontems not on tonig
[2:53:42] agda sing none. We have n
[2:53:43] closed seson.
[2:53:44] To
[2:53:46] s g his hand up. O.
[2:53:47] Where a the chill goingo
[2:53:50] be turd off.
[2:53:53] The the iup haseenenied.
[2:53:55] So they hav close off.
[2:53:57] The iup has bn dend.Hat
[2:53:57] s
[2:53:58] all can say.
[2:54:01] Wh about the rie form
[2:54:03] now,or ts noise that
[2:54:04] s
[2:54:05] going o
[2:54:05] I tnk tt was.
[2:54:06] Wh theyer
[2:54:06] Yo can
[2:54:07] t. Wean
[2:54:07] t.
[2:54:08] Answer
[2:54:08] We
[2:54:09] re wai That
[2:54:10] s o the
[2:54:10] agda Tom. W
[2:54:14] re done. With
[2:54:15] that,
[2:54:16] openo aotion t
[2:54:16] adjon.
[2:54:17] Moon to adjou.
[2:54:18] Send moved and second. All
[2:54:19] in favor, say aye.Ye aye.