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Okay, let's go ahead and call to order

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the uh work session of the East Grand

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Fork City Council for Tuesday, June 9th,

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2026 at 5:01 p.m. Uh would the city

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clerk please call a roll?

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>> Mayor Mark

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>> here.

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>> Council President Brian Larson

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>> here.

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>> Council Vice President Tim Riael

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>> here.

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>> Council members Tammy Schumacher

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>> here.

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>> Ben Pukinsky

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>> here.

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>> Dale Helms

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>> here. Don Keys

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>> here.

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>> Karen Peterson

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>> here.

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>> Okay, we have a quorum. Just a reminder

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to turn on your microphones.

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Uh first, uh discussion topic here today

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is um uh renew building inspections

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contract with True Cheek. Um Miss Ellis.

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>> Yeah. Um after uh WSH had uh removed

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themselves from the building

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inspections, uh

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what's the word I'm looking for? um

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contracting for the city. Um we had to

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go out and look for a new service or

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andor a uh employee to handle our

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building inspections. Um at that time it

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was difficult to find somebody um or

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some type of uh city that was using a

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full-time person. Uh people were going

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more to like a service contract or uh

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professional services. Um, so we went

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out, looked at two different, uh, groups

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that did building inspections. We had

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hired um, True Cheek and we put them on

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a 2-year uh, contract uh, with the

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possibility that we'd maybe look into a

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full-time person. Um, still uh, not sure

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um, at this point if that's the

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direction we're going to go. Um, I feel

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that uh, True Cheek has done uh, really

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a good service for the city. They're

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very thorough. I think um, they're here

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two days a week, but we have two persons

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that are here to answer questions.

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They're very receptive to contractor

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questions. They answer phone calls, uh,

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emails, uh, all five days of the week.

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Um, so, uh, with that, I'd like to renew

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their contract, maybe for a longer term.

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Uh, they're hoping to keep their

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services at the same cost for the first

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three years, and then after that third

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year, they do have a reopener in the

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contract just in case um, they need to

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uh, review what the costs are to the

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city uh, if there's an additional cost

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that they may need to add. But that does

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allow us then to um bring it back to the

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council in terms of the contract

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renewal. Um so um that's where we're at.

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I did include just for your benefit in

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terms of building inspections uh yearly

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revenue for the last 3 years while

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they've been here. Um what we're taking

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in versus what the cost is for their

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contract. and they're either at this

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point we're either making some money and

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or uh kind of breaking even on that. So

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really uh what we're typically paying

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for is um support staff admin those

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types of things. Um some of the things

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that we are also in fact looking at to

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again bring in more revenue is that we

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did increase the cost of our permits. Uh

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I think it was two years ago. Uh we are

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looking at our special permits. So

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things like mechanical, plumbing,

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um,

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uh, driveway aprons, uh, the possibility

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of we do different things for cost per

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we issue permits based on cost per

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square foot, which is based on a 5-year

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average of what cost per square foot is

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for commercial and industrial buildings

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based on the classification. The last

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time we did review of that 5-year

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average was from 2017 to 2022. So, I

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know the costs of materials and things

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like that have gone up, so we'd want to

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review that again, too, which may make

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adjustments to that. Um, the other

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possibility that's not related to this,

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but, you know, in terms of uh trying to

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keep our costs down and our revenues up

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is that the fire department has uh

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really taken uh uh

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into our building inspections process.

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They're helping us more with plan

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review. They're helping us a lot with uh

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inspections and different things that uh

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are needed, which has been a great help

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to us. And so, um the idea of maybe

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looking at some fire inspection and or

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uh fire plan review uh fees might also

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be an option. But, um that's kind of

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where we're at. If anybody has any

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questions

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in terms of the contract.

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>> Okay. Thanks, Nancy. Uh we'll start with

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Mr. Helms.

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>> Yeah, thank you. I have a couple three.

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first of all,

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how much did we pay this company last

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year? 25. How much did they earn?

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>> Last year we paid them $72,948.

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I I read this contract. I think I read

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it pretty thorough. Uh,

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still think that I would like to see us

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think about having our own full-time

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inspector. Uh,

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one reason is because he's making

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$72,948

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and he's part-time. So, just think what

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we could have. We could hire a full-time

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and then he could do other things

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besides that. And then we could get back

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in. We talked about inspecting apartment

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buildings. You know, we could get back

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into all that kind of stuff.

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Uh I would still seriously like to see

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us look to have our own own inspector.

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Um and frankly, uh most everybody knows

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that the one we have right now, there's

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been some issues with a couple

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contractors in town. Uh and

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frankly, it doesn't have very good

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reputation right now. from what I'm

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hearing from contractors. I hear from a

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lot of people say they wouldn't even think about building

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here right now.

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So, I don't really think I want to go

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into a five-year contract with them.

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Although, I do see on here uh Ron, you

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can correct me, but it looks like that

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either party can cancel at any time they

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want in there. So, does that mean if we

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decide to do something internal, we

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break that? Uh either party can cancel

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with 60 days notice.

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>> So I got no problem with what he's well

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I kind of have a little bit of a problem

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what he's been doing but although he's

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been doing uh I mean I think he's he's

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been by the book you know. So, uh, but

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it just seems like there's a lot of

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things in there that could have probably

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been eliminated, maybe could have been,

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notified

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sooner or maybe a little bit more

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groundwork, communication or something

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in there to solve some of the problems

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that has been going on. So,

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that's kind of where I'm at with it.

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>> Okay. Thank you, Dale. We'll go to Mayor

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Olstead and then Mr. Rioel.

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>> Thank you, Mr. President. Um

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myself, I think five years is probably

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too long. Um I think three years would

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be great. I mean, they want to keep

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their fees for three years the same. I

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think that's where we need lineup to

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contract with also. Um

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yes, we know we know there has been some

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issues out there. Um, I think at the

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same time I would like to direct staff

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to take a look at

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again what it would cost. I'm assuming

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it's going to be about$125 135,000 that

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including benefits to have somebody on

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staff. So you'd come up with

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additionally $50,000.

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going to come from. Um, but I guess to

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get the accurate numbers for because

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it's probably been

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a couple years since we looked at it.

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>> and this is for two people.

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There are there are two people employed.

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It's Greg and Alec. They're only here

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two days a week, but they are available

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5 days a week. They do answer phone

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calls. They do uh uh answer emails. They

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do plan review on their off days. Um

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they're here in addition if we need them

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to be. So if they know that there's a

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big inspection or something like that on

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a Monday, they will be here on a Monday.

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Um they will adjust schedules. Um so

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>> but we didn't we didn't hire two people.

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We hired one company and he's got an

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assistant that works with him and brings

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him along.

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>> But they kind of work they go around

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together to all these places, you know.

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I mean, it's not like one's working the

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south end, one's working the north end

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type thing. They kind of stick together.

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his assistant. It's kind of like

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training type thing, you know. So,

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salary,

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you know. I don't know if he's charging

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if he's charged for both people. $115 an

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hour for both people to be at the same

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place and doing the same thing.

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>> To me, that's kind of double paying.

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get his license. But I think having two

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people available means that if Greg is

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doing something else, we have an

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additional person that can do a separate

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inspection andor can be here. Um if we

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have one person and they go on vacation,

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then no one's getting an inspection.

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>> but I think that's part of the problem

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we have right now because they're only

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part-time.

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We're holding up contractors on jobs on

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a lot of things because of that

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because a lot of stuff isn't getting

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addressed quickly like it should be and

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it cost contractors a lot of money.

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that's the way I look at it. So, I

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that's why I I would really like to see

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us really talk a little bit more about

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the in-house and like mayor said, you

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know, maybe we got to come up with some

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more money or whatever, but I would I

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would still I I still think that we

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could probably keep that person busy,

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you know, like I say, he could do other

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things too then or she or whoever it

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>> Okay. Thanks, D. We'll go to Mr. Rupel.

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The mayor alluded to several things I

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was going to talk about, but when you

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talk about u by the book, if we had our

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own, it's going to be buy the book. It's

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not going to be because you're a

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contractor and you feel it's much

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better. No, this is what it says. This

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is what you're going to do. So, I look

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at it that if we're getting two guys for

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the price of one, we're actually doing

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pretty good here. We're staying ahead of

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the game. we're we're not uh losing

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money on this where the other way we're

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going to be in the hurt bag 50 grand a

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year right off

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>> getting them for the price once you just

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said both of them are getting charged

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they're charging double the money

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they're both going out separate now too

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they've been going together but they're

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like the other one's licensed now so he

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can go out alone

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so he had them whether you hire one

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you're hiring the whole company so I I

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agree I think uh this is a pretty good

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deal we're getting but yeah three years

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No more.

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>> Three years is good. Yeah.

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>> Okay.

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>> I just have one comment.

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>> Yeah. Go ahead, Karen.

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>> So, has the market changed in regards to

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availability of individuals to hire?

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>> No. So, we would still be

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possibly

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>> continuing. Yep. We're continuing to see

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the number of uh full-time building

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inspectors in the state of Minnesota

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going down.

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>> Sure. So, that was part of our

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decision-m process is the availability

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of individuals.

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>> Correct. Correct.

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Have you actually seen those numbers to

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hurt somebody? Has somebody come up with

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those numbers and told you that or or

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are we just saying that that's the case

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so we don't have to

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>> No, it it is the case.

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>> At least look and see.

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>> Yeah. I mean, if if you look at um uh

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what Width was doing, I mean, they

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probably had seven to 10 communities. Um

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these people uh True Cheek are adding

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customers every day. You know, they're

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adding cities. So, we know that cities

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are are no longer looking for that

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full-time person. And part of the reason

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is is that it's um

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it's just a a pay option. Uh if I can be

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a management of a contracting business

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and I get, you know, I can do that type

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of thing, it pays more than a city job

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does.

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is something else that we could look at

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with this company turnaround times.

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>> Is there a turnaround time analysis that

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we could do?

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>> Yeah, we we can do that

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>> and and try to have them make

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improvements on that.

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>> I don't know that that's realistic, but

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is that I mean, this is what the

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contractors are saying, but is this

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truthful?

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>> I've visited with contractors as well.

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um we don't have a a rough turnaround

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time on our responses to people and what

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they need. I think there are um

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instances that I don't really think we

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need to get into at this meeting, but

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there are instances that we could get

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into. But need needless to say, I think

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our turnaround time is pretty good. I

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think our building inspectors are very

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thorough. They have an extreme knowledge

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of the building code. Um

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we uh before this we had a number of

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complaints about our you know inspection

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services maybe or maybe not um being as

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tight with the building code like they

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were picking and choosing who had to

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follow and who didn't or you know they

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were a little more lenient um and they

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were a little concerned with that. So,

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um, you know, we've had complaints going

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in both directions. So, it's hard to

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please one or the other group, I guess.

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for me, being an enforcement

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from day one, um, enforcement isn't a

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fun job.

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>> People don't like it. Um, they're

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unhappy if it's something that they're,

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you know, that it's something they do or

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don't want. Um, so it's kind of hard to

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try to um please everybody when it's an

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enforcement job. So I guess um to answer

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that question, we can look at turnaround

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times. I don't think it's the turnaround

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times. I I do believe it's just, you

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know, some people don't like the way

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enforcement is handled. And um I think

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that they're still doing a good job. And

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I have no issues with looking into the

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numbers for the number of full-time

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building inspectors. if you want those

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numbers before the next uh you know

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before the meeting on Tuesday, we can

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provide you what the numbers were 10

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years ago versus what they are now. Um

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you know those are all things that

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they're up to you guys. So from a budget

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standpoint, we look at ways to reduce

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our costs and you know improve our

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revenues. So um this seems to be the

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most coste effective way of doing our

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building inspections rather than hiring

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a full-time person or a person and a

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half. So,

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» yeah. Thank you, Nancy. And uh Carla,

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you handed out this uh spreadsheet here.

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Would would one of you mind maybe just

401
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walking through 2025 to

402
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>> help us kind of understand or

403
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I just somebody had requested um numbers

404
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and so I just put together what we had

405
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in our system. So starting back in 2009

406
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on the front page um we actually had an

407
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employee in the building office and they

408
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had one assistant full-time assistant.

409
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So he retired in 2012. So you can see

410
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there 10:30

411
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uh in 2012 he retired then we had

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in-depth inspections which is width and

413
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so what I did was um the top part are

414
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the expenses. So we have salaries and

415
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then um professional services is where

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the the in-depth or the contractors come

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out of and then I did put in there the

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revenue and then I just took what the

419
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revenue and expenses were and showed

420
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what um the that the expenses are over

421
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the revenue that goes all the way

422
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across. And then what I did was I took

423
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the personnel expenses. So when we had

424
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our own employee in 2009, our personnel

425
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expenses were 171,000

426
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and then we didn't have we had

427
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professional services which was probably

428
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just somebody coming to do something for

429
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1,200 bucks. So if you go across when we

430
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switch we still have personnel expenses

431
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um for like now we have Nancy is 25% of

432
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her salary goes there and Brenda is at

433
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50%. And so those are the personnel

434
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costs we have now. And then we have the

435
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professional services fees. So if you go

436
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to the second page under 2025, the

437
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balance um was we had $157,000

438
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of expenses and we had uh 59,000 in

439
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revenue. So that we had a loss of

440
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$97,000.

441
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We had 81,000 in personnel and we had um

442
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72,000 in uh professional services.

443
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So we spent a total of 154,000

444
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between personnel people doing personal

445
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things. So if you look at the bottom

446
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line, so in um I added those together.

447
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So in 2009, we spent $1272,000

448
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in some odd change to pay for our

449
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building inspector and our

450
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administrative assistant. So, if you

451
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look at 2005,

452
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we spent 154,000

453
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to have a contractor do the inspections

454
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and to have our personnel be at the

455
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window, um, be their assistant, you

456
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know, answer calls, give out permits,

457
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>> and the professional services went down

458
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with in-depth inspections as we removed

459
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them from our office.

460
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So we used to have them sitting here uh

461
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three times a week and then we dropped

462
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it to two times a week and then towards

463
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the end it was they weren't in the

464
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office at all. They were only available

465
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by phone and or setting up inspections.

466
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But otherwise in-depth was not

467
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physically in our office the last couple

468
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of years. So that's why the numbers

469
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dropped because they weren't charging us

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office hours.

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>> Any questions on the spreadsheet? Just a

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more of a general question for uh Carla

473
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and Reed. Is it is it common for a

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municipality like us to run a negative

475
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on on this type of account for for

476
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inspections? You know, we're losing

477
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100,000 a year here.

478
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>> Well, basically every department does

479
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it. It's kind of like if you looked at

480
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our arenas.

481
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>> Yeah.

482
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>> You know, it's it's a service that we

483
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have to our our our taxpayers.

484
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>> Mhm. You know, if you looked at most all

485
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departments, there isn't any other

486
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revenue generating activity except our

487
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enterprise funds, which is garbage,

488
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waste, water, storm water.

489
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>> Yeah. So, you don't think this is like

490
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an anomaly among other communities like

491
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>> No.

492
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In fact, if you look at I mean I would

493
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if you looked at most cities I would say

494
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if you looked at the 2009 balance and

495
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you looked to what we had at 2025 I

496
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would guess that there the personnel has

497
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gone up

498
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>> okay

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>> considerably from then especially if you

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had your own employee because you know

501
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the cola itself is probably 3% a year

502
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plus a step. So when we usually look at

503
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personnel it's about 5% or more every

504
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year.

505
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So, actually, when we put the numbers

506
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together, I think Reed and I are both

507
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kind of like, whoa, we're actually doing

508
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really good in this department. If we

509
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looked at other departments and did

510
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this, it probably wouldn't be as good.

511
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» All right. Thank you. Thanks for putting

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this together as well.

513
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>> You're welcome.

514
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>> Thank you.

515
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>> Okay.

516
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Go ahead, Reed.

517
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>> Yeah. Uh, thank you, Council President.

518
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Uh, just maybe one last bit to note. I

519
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did do some work on looking at the the

520
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pay for if we brought a full-time

521
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building official in house. And we did

522
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this a couple of years ago and Woods

523
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indicated to us that they were going to

524
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stop offering the service. Um I'll start

525
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with we don't have an official city job

526
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description for a building official, but

527
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um I did reach out a couple of years ago

528
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to neighboring cities that do. Uh

529
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Krookton has its own building official

530
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on city staff. Um, in 2024, the salary

531
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for that official was about $76,000.

532
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So, if you add a couple percent to cola

533
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a year, we're probably looking at an 80

534
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to 82,000 a year um wage for that

535
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employee. That's just wages and then

536
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benefits on top. Of course, um David

537
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Drowning Associates, our human resources

538
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,240
consultant, suggested in 2024, if we

539
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,240
were to bring a building official on, it

540
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would likely fall somewhere in a grade

541
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,440
17 or 18 on our pay scale. um a grade 17

542
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,840
in 2026 is a range of 72,000 to 100,000.

543
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,039
Uh that's just the wages and then um

544
00:22:01,039 --> 00:22:03,120
benefits par health insurance if they're

545
00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:05,120
on a family plan could add up to another

546
00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:08,720
40,000 to that. So just to give it a

547
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,559
ball ballpark of what we'd look at for

548
00:22:10,559 --> 00:22:15,360
wages um lowend 110,000, high-end 140

549
00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:17,039
145,000

550
00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:19,440
uh to bring on one full-time employee to

551
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,430
cover this service.

552
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,919
Okay, Reed, do you have uh feedback that

553
00:22:25,919 --> 00:22:27,919
you need to craft an item for the agenda

554
00:22:27,919 --> 00:22:30,000
for next week's meeting?

555
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,200
>> Yeah, I think hearing what we heard,

556
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,280
we'll move forward with the three-year

557
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,679
extension to the agreement.

558
00:22:35,679 --> 00:22:38,000
>> Um and then there will there we'll do

559
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,360
some additional research on the number

560
00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:41,200
of building officials in the state and

561
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:42,640
where it was a few years back to

562
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:43,760
compared to now.

563
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,000
>> Great. Okay. All right. Any further

564
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,000
discussion on this one?

565
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,000
>> All right,

566
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,840
sir.

567
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,400
Uh yeah. Are you looking to speak on the

568
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:55,520
building inspections item?

569
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:55,919
>> Yes.

570
00:22:55,919 --> 00:22:57,200
>> Sure. Yeah. Why don't you come up here?

571
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,760
Uh introduce yourself if you would, sir.

572
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,679
>> Um

573
00:23:01,679 --> 00:23:04,400
let us know your thoughts.

574
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,640
>> I'm Roger Scaven. I'm the owner of Grand

575
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,760
Trader Sales in East Grand Forks. Um

576
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,280
we're just going through the building

577
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,919
process right now and Greg is probably

578
00:23:15,919 --> 00:23:18,240
one of the worst people I've ever had to

579
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,360
deal with. um

580
00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:25,440
his communication, what uh

581
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,159
what my architect is telling me who's a

582
00:23:28,159 --> 00:23:30,559
local architect and he does hospitals

583
00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:33,679
and all kinds of stuff.

584
00:23:33,679 --> 00:23:36,480
This Greg is putting us in that category

585
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,000
and you were talking about being uh

586
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,720
rigid to the rule and I have no problem

587
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,559
with that, but he's going above and

588
00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:46,159
beyond.

589
00:23:46,159 --> 00:23:48,400
Before I could get a building permit, he

590
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:49,520
wanted to know where my fire

591
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,159
extinguishers are going. Before I could

592
00:23:52,159 --> 00:23:54,880
get a building permit, he wanted to know

593
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:59,520
where my uh my exterior uh handicap

594
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,159
parking is going to be. Before I got my

595
00:24:02,159 --> 00:24:04,320
building permit, he wanted to know what

596
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:05,840
kind of shelving I'm putting in my

597
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,080
store. Shelving has nothing to do with

598
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,559
the building. And then he wanted to know

599
00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:13,279
when I'm putting on the shelving,

600
00:24:13,279 --> 00:24:15,279
which has nothing to do with a building

601
00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:18,400
permit. He has delayed the process of

602
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,400
our building. I know 3 months.

603
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,000
Trying to deal with him is ridiculous.

604
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,159
He wanted a wall. We gave him the

605
00:24:28,159 --> 00:24:29,679
exterior building, which was an all

606
00:24:29,679 --> 00:24:32,240
steel building. The interior firewall

607
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:33,919
was all broke down for him by my

608
00:24:33,919 --> 00:24:36,640
architect. Um, but that wasn't good

609
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,799
enough. He wanted to know every single

610
00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:42,080
wall detail, the 2x4 walls, that's going

611
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,000
to be offices and other things like

612
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,520
that.

613
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,440
Uh he he wouldn't do the building permit

614
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:54,000
until I put in the drinking fountain and

615
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,400
I my plans were already approved by the

616
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,279
state of Minnesota, my plumbing plans

617
00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:01,760
and it they did not require a drinking

618
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,400
fountain. But yet he went above and

619
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,240
beyond and said, "I will not give you

620
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,080
this building permit until you add a

621
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,039
drinking fountain." So my architect

622
00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:13,440
added that. And then East Grand Forks

623
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,520
requires a what is it? A RPZ valve or

624
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,360
whatever. It's a backflow valve for

625
00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:21,600
water.

626
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,640
He wanted that on the plumbing uh

627
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,159
drawings, which is just a it's just a

628
00:25:28,159 --> 00:25:29,840
small

629
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,039
sackflow valve is all it is. So my

630
00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:34,640
plumber told I when I talked to my

631
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,279
plumber, he said, "During this building

632
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:38,880
process," he goes, "you're going to have

633
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,480
small changes all the time. What you

634
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,400
submitted to the state of Minnesota,

635
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,159
maybe they don't carry that toilet

636
00:25:44,159 --> 00:25:46,080
anymore. Maybe they don't carry that

637
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,720
sink anymore." He goes, "I deal with the

638
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,720
state of Minnesota. I go through and

639
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,440
say, hey, this is a comparable one." He

640
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,279
gets it approved by his person that he

641
00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:58,640
has to deal with, not with Greg.

642
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,480
After the meeting we had right in this

643
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:05,679
room month and a half ago, uh we got the

644
00:26:05,679 --> 00:26:07,200
building permit. Nancy gave us the

645
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,520
building permit and we had

646
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,400
uh green flag to go on it. Greg stopped

647
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,320
the whole project again on his own and

648
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,960
he wanted the state of Minnesota to

649
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,640
approve the drawings with the RPZ valve

650
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,120
and the drinking fountain.

651
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:27,840
I had to pay another $1,550 to the state

652
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,840
of Minnesota for them to review these

653
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,960
plans again, which should have never

654
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,360
been done. Why? It's small enough little

655
00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:39,360
things that

656
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:41,039
my plumber could have taken care of it.

657
00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:42,880
And I told that to Greg and I tried

658
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,440
explaining that to Greg. He went, he

659
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,679
said, "Nope, got to go through the state

660
00:26:47,679 --> 00:26:50,320
again. That means if there's a toilet

661
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,760
that no longer can be purchased because

662
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,200
the bid was a six months ago or nine

663
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,679
months ago.

664
00:26:59,679 --> 00:27:01,520
I mean, I'm supposed to submit a whole

665
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,039
new process, engineer drawings showing

666
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:07,200
that different toilet.

667
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,799
That isn't right. That isn't how it

668
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:12,080
works. He's going above and beyond. He's

669
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,880
making it that much more difficult to do

670
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,080
the building. If I had an option to redo

671
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,559
it, I'd be building in Grand Forks. Just

672
00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:22,799
so that you know, I would not build

673
00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:25,760
again in this town. He is hurting our

674
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,760
city for growth. I was born and raised

675
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,799
in this town. I believe in this town. I

676
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:34,000
have my business in this town, and I I

677
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,000
can promote it, but I can't with him.

678
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,799
He's definitely a negative feedback on

679
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:44,080
our town. I understand the concept on

680
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,440
his pay. I think it's great. Nothing

681
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,600
wrong with that. Problem is is his

682
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,880
negativity towards the city. My

683
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,600
architect, it's EAPC. They're a large

684
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,679
company. They said they have never seen

685
00:27:59,679 --> 00:28:01,600
anything like this before in this type

686
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,840
of building. Only in hospitals and

687
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,080
schools have they ever seen this kind of

688
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,240
workup. Uh my builder, same thing. He's

689
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,600
never seen it. Uh, we're having all

690
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,000
these delays and he's it's all because

691
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,480
of him. He put a stop build on our

692
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,080
property without even notifying me,

693
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,799
without even getting a hold of me. I

694
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:26,399
mean, he's doing things so wrong.

695
00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:28,559
The cost might be cheaper, but he's got

696
00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:30,399
an issue.

697
00:28:30,399 --> 00:28:32,159
And if there's someone else to hire, I

698
00:28:32,159 --> 00:28:34,559
would say hire someone else. I don't

699
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:36,240
mind going by the book. I'm trying to go

700
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,399
by the book, but he's going above and

701
00:28:38,399 --> 00:28:40,640
beyond.

702
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,679
And That's my opinion.

703
00:28:43,679 --> 00:28:47,440
>> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Scouting.

704
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,080
>> Okay. All right. I think that brings us

705
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,240
to the conclusion on that item. Uh and

706
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,000
just a reminder, uh we'll be addressing

707
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,720
this item next week as well. So, uh not

708
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,880
the end of the discussion. Uh we'll go

709
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,520
to item number two here. Uh discussion

710
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,159
on ebikes, motorized bikes, e-

711
00:29:04,159 --> 00:29:06,159
motorcycles, and motorized foot

712
00:29:06,159 --> 00:29:08,320
scooters. Uh for this one, we'll turn

713
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:09,600
over to Mr. Hutton.

714
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,760
>> Okay. Thank you, Mr. President, council

715
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,399
members. Um, so after our work session

716
00:29:14,399 --> 00:29:17,360
discussion two weeks ago on this item,

717
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:18,799
um, we had, I think, a lot of good

718
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:20,720
discussion and and feedback from the

719
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,960
council. Sorry, I'm trying to scroll to

720
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,600
this item here. Um, we did take a number

721
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,159
of calls, uh, from residents in the

722
00:29:28,159 --> 00:29:30,480
community. Um, and and if you read the

723
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,320
local newspapers, you saw the Grand

724
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,640
Forks Herald wrote a an editorial piece

725
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,960
as well. Um, it it seems as though we

726
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,880
unintentionally created some confusion.

727
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,279
I believe it was unintentional confusion

728
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:44,720
created specific to the pedal assisted

729
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,240
ebikes or electric motor assisted ebikes

730
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,440
um that maybe took away from our

731
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,679
discussion that we were looking to

732
00:29:53,679 --> 00:29:55,679
prohibit the use of those within our

733
00:29:55,679 --> 00:29:57,679
greenway system. Um so I thought we'd

734
00:29:57,679 --> 00:29:59,120
bring it back to the discussion just to

735
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,360
clarify that point. Um the

736
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,240
uh the ebike that is pedal assisted

737
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,679
electric motor assisted pedal bike um in

738
00:30:09,679 --> 00:30:12,159
Minnesota state law is classified as a

739
00:30:12,159 --> 00:30:15,440
bicycle just as a non-motorized pedal

740
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,799
bicycle and it is legal to be used in

741
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:21,760
any setting that a regular bicycle is

742
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,640
legal to be used. Um and we don't intend

743
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,559
on in updating and bringing out changes

744
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:28,399
to our ordinance. We don't intend on

745
00:30:28,399 --> 00:30:32,880
doing anything to change that fact. Um

746
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,120
the real differentiation we're trying to

747
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,279
make clear and understand have everyone

748
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:40,000
understand is that um we have seen an

749
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,440
increase in use of motorized bikes that

750
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,880
do not have pedals um or motorized dirt

751
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,320
bikes or motorcycle type of vehicles.

752
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,440
Um, and while those are not currently in

753
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,679
our greenway ordinance clearly defined

754
00:30:55,679 --> 00:30:59,679
what they are, um, Minnesota state law,

755
00:30:59,679 --> 00:31:02,080
uh, recognizes those as motorized

756
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,520
vehicles. And a motorized vehicle is not

757
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,960
legal to be used on our greenway trails.

758
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,480
Um, that would be whether it's a

759
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,840
four-wheeler ATV or a six-wheeler UTV, a

760
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,760
dirt bike, whether it be gas powered or

761
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,000
electric motor powered. um in those

762
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,760
settings if they're not pedal assisted,

763
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,440
they are motorized vehicles and they're

764
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:22,880
not not allowed to be used in the

765
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,720
greenway. So, just want to make sure we

766
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,240
have a kind of a clear differentiation

767
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,679
of those. Um, I expect in still the next

768
00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:31,919
couple weeks we'll bring forward some

769
00:31:31,919 --> 00:31:34,080
changes to our greenway ordinance to be

770
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,480
adopted that will better clarify or

771
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,519
define what a motorized

772
00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:42,159
bike or a motorized uh electric

773
00:31:42,159 --> 00:31:45,360
motorized dirt bike is um and how it's

774
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,080
classified as a motorized vehicle. Um,

775
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,960
but it's not to try to create a pro

776
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,720
prohibit use of the pedal assisted ebike

777
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,080
on our greenway trails. So, any

778
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,600
questions on that? Happy to try to

779
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,880
answer. Uh, I should add Chief Headland

780
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,399
uh and the folks in the police

781
00:32:04,399 --> 00:32:06,399
department did go through and and wrote

782
00:32:06,399 --> 00:32:08,399
a a nice narrative and some frequently

783
00:32:08,399 --> 00:32:10,799
asked questions uh that were added to

784
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:12,720
the city's website and posted on social

785
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,279
media last week and and I think those do

786
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:17,279
a nice job of kind of talking about each

787
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:20,320
different classification of bicycle or

788
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,320
motorized vehicle and what is and isn't

789
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,480
allowed. Um, and those can be a resource

790
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,240
going forward, but just happy to answer

791
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,399
and hopefully that clarifies the

792
00:32:28,399 --> 00:32:30,640
discussion from a couple weeks ago.

793
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,440
>> All right, thanks Reed. Any uh questions

794
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,960
or comments on this item?

795
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,320
Reed, were you able to kind of

796
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,919
understand like where was the point of

797
00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:42,000
confusion? Was it just kind of in in the

798
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,519
discussion of all the different types of

799
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:46,559
bikes? One was misinterpreted as being

800
00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:47,200
something else?

801
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,720
>> Yeah. Well, I think there's two things.

802
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,880
My my impression of it from talking to a

803
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,480
few folks has been there's two been two

804
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:58,960
things that confused it is one um on the information we put out there's a

805
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,559
classification of a motorized bike

806
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:04,480
um that's the name of it but if you look

807
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,000
at the picture that's included on our

808
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,760
website now and maybe in the packet here

809
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,799
let me try scroll scroll so this is a

810
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:12,880
motorized bike this has pedals on you

811
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,120
can see the chain and the pedals um in

812
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,559
ebike if you scroll to this next photo,

813
00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:20,559
a motorized bike. This looks like a

814
00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:22,640
bicycle, but there are no pedals on

815
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,480
this. And so there's kind of two

816
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,159
different things. There's a motorized e

817
00:33:26,159 --> 00:33:28,240
or an ebicycle that has the pedal

818
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,880
assist, or there's this motorized bike

819
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,799
that for all intents looks like a

820
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:34,320
bicycle, but it doesn't have pedals on

821
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,640
it. And it's that's only an electric

822
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,039
motor. I think that's one element that

823
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:41,279
caused confusion to people is is what is

824
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:45,760
legal and what isn't. And I think the best clear delineation to make there

825
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,240
is if it has pedals and you can pedal it

826
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,559
to ride, it's a bicycle. If it doesn't

827
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:53,440
have pedals and it's powered by a motor,

828
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,919
gas or electric, it's a motorized

829
00:33:55,919 --> 00:33:58,559
vehicle and is not allowed. Um, that's

830
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:00,480
part one. The other part is in our

831
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,159
greenway ordinance there was discussion

832
00:34:02,159 --> 00:34:05,760
on our current ordinance talks about the

833
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,760
electric pedal assist bike having a

834
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,359
maximum motor capacity of 1,000 kow

835
00:34:13,359 --> 00:34:15,919
and Minnesota statute has since been

836
00:34:15,919 --> 00:34:18,960
updated to limit it to a maximum of 750

837
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,079
kow and we talked about updating our

838
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:24,480
ordinance to match Minnesota statute and

839
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,000
I think a lot of discussion two weeks

840
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,839
ago was centered around that piece about

841
00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:30,720
that 700 versus the thousand. I think

842
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:32,560
some people heard all of that discussion

843
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,079
and interpreted it to mean that we were

844
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:36,399
going to make a class of the pedal

845
00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:40,000
assisted bike prohibited. It's not the

846
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,839
case. It's we're we just need to align

847
00:34:41,839 --> 00:34:44,639
our ordinance to be equal to Minnesota

848
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:47,839
statute. Great. That's helpful. Thank

849
00:34:47,839 --> 00:34:52,079
you. Okay. Any questions on this topic?

850
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:53,599
Okay. All right. Thank you, Reed, for

851
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:56,560
that clarification. Very helpful.

852
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,240
Uh with that, we'll move on to item

853
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:00,400
number three. Uh request to declare

854
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,359
vehicles and surplus property as surplus

855
00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:05,119
property for the purpose of selling them

856
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:09,040
at an auction. Uh Corporal Rue,

857
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,480
thank you. Yeah, we have two vehicles

858
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,880
that have cleared the court process um

859
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,599
from criminal forfeite cases. One being

860
00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:19,040
a 2003 Yamaha Roadstar motorcycle. Uh

861
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,160
the second being a 2015 Buick Encore. Uh

862
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,599
so we'd be looking to have those

863
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:26,000
declared surplus to be uh sold on our

864
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,680
auction.

865
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,119
>> All right. Thank you. Any questions for

866
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:30,160
Corporal Rue?

867
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,680
>> This just a couple you're adding to what

868
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:32,720
you're doing right now?

869
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:34,320
>> Yeah, so we're we're starting to do the

870
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,680
auctions a little bit differently. In

871
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,119
the past there's been large scale

872
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:38,800
auctions. We'll probably do that each

873
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,720
spring as vehicles kind of build up over

874
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:42,640
the winter, but going forward we're just

875
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,400
going to once they clear the process

876
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:45,839
we'll declare them and sell them sooner

877
00:35:45,839 --> 00:35:47,280
because they're a depreciating asset. It

878
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,800
doesn't make sense to sit on them. So,

879
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,720
there are two that have recently cleared

880
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:52,000
and so they're not in alignment with the

881
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,200
ones we have on right now.

882
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,560
>> Okay. And then one other question. I

883
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,240
noticed on the website or

884
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:01,119
actually it's under the email that you

885
00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:03,760
sent out. Uh now they got some pressure

886
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,520
washers and a sprayer stuff on there. Is

887
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,280
that all part of the city stuff too?

888
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:07,920
That's

889
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,760
>> Yep. So that's Reed could maybe speak on

890
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,040
that, but that's surplus from the city

891
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,640
that was added to this auction.

892
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:12,880
>> Okay.

893
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:13,440
>> Correct. Yeah.

894
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,040
>> Okay. Thank I just want to make sure it

895
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,040
was local stuff and not because

896
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,000
sometimes that.gov gets a lot of out

897
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,000
ofstate stuff and things like that. So I

898
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:22,560
want to know

899
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,160
>> yeah that at our council meeting last

900
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,000
week there were a number of parks

901
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,079
related items couple of vehicles a

902
00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:29,920
trailer and and pressure washers that

903
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:30,880
were added.

904
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,040
>> Um those were declared surplus last week

905
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,560
so we're added to the auction. I will

906
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,839
though um on that note there is one

907
00:36:37,839 --> 00:36:41,359
vehicle listed on the auction currently

908
00:36:41,359 --> 00:36:44,640
um that is a parks pickup. It's a 1997

909
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,440
Chevy Silverado that got missed on

910
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,320
declared surplus. So I Mr. Rue and I

911
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:55,119
spoke uh the auction closes after the next council meeting. So we're going

912
00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:58,160
to leave it posted. Um but it'll be on

913
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,160
the agenda next week for approval to

914
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,720
declare surplus so that it can be sold.

915
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:05,680
Um and it's uh no longer used in our

916
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,720
parks fleet.

917
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:12,640
>> Okay. Thanks, guys.

918
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,240
All right, let's move on to our next

919
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:18,640
item here. Um, MMPA and WAPA renewable

920
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,119
energy credit sales agreement. Uh, Mr.

921
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:23,440
Hutton and then Mr. Miklseth, if you'll

922
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,320
join us as well.

923
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,079
>> All right. Thank you, council members.

924
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:30,000
I'll I'll kind of start summarize this

925
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,280
and then Keith, if there's anything

926
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,680
you'd like to add, please jump in. Um

927
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,720
the uh city has an agreement city

928
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:37,760
through the water and light department

929
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,760
has an agreement with WAPA western area

930
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,040
power authority um for renewable energy

931
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,520
credits that are available annually. Um

932
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,240
over history of the last number of years

933
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:49,839
uh the water and light department has

934
00:37:49,839 --> 00:37:52,400
worked with local companies on the

935
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,160
ability to have water and light donate

936
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,920
those wrecks uh to a company that needed

937
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,520
renewable energy options. um something

938
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,680
is some work some has changed in policy

939
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,920
and how they can be distributed and

940
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,520
there became an opportunity for water

941
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,119
and light to look to sell them rather

942
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:12,400
than donate them. Uh and in the process

943
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,760
of Mr. Mikkelsth working through that um

944
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,520
received an offer from Minnesota

945
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,440
Municipal Power Authority which we're a

946
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,280
member of MMPA uh to enter into a

947
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,000
15-year agreement for the sale of these

948
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,839
wrecks at $3 per wreck. Um, Water and

949
00:38:29,839 --> 00:38:31,599
Light reviewed the sales agreement at

950
00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:33,920
their meeting last week and approved it.

951
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,160
Um, Keith has been so gracious and

952
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,920
thinking about this with the city and

953
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,960
Water and Light. Uh, the the basis of

954
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,640
the original agreement with WA um that

955
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,640
authorizes the Rex as part of our

956
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,680
purchase of power through WAPA is is

957
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,119
lined up with the city directly um

958
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:55,359
rather than directly to water and light.

959
00:38:55,359 --> 00:38:58,720
And so Keith has suggested that the city

960
00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:01,680
re receive the revenue from the sale of

961
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,280
these wrecks over the life of this

962
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,640
15-year agreement um with the idea that

963
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,800
we create a special revenue fund in the

964
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,440
city to receive these funds on an annual

965
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,839
basis um and take the funds um with an

966
00:39:15,839 --> 00:39:18,880
intent on using them for we're terming

967
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,200
it economic development infrastructure

968
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,960
fund but essentially to look at um

969
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,680
improvements or extensions or additions

970
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,359
to our um private or public publicly

971
00:39:31,359 --> 00:39:34,079
owned infrastructure, roads, utility

972
00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:36,960
systems, potential property acquisition

973
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,800
for future economic development, things

974
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,280
of that nature. Um, specifically when

975
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,520
you think about uh the recently acquired

976
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,240
Simplot property or the industrial park

977
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:47,760
and the need for improvements to the

978
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,000
public infrastructure there, um, we feel

979
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,160
it could be a good source of seed money

980
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,880
with a nice long-term agreement in place

981
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,079
um, to apply for those efforts um, and

982
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:01,280
in turn hopefully spur um, new business

983
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:02,960
growth and development which is going to

984
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,040
create uh, new or added customers for

985
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,200
water and light.

986
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,400
>> That's great. Thank you, Reed. Um Keith,

987
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,640
as you start, um would you mind giving

988
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,800
us a little bit of background on WAPA

989
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,960
and why why they have renewable energy

990
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,480
credits just to kind of

991
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,800
>> WAPA is Western

992
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,599
Area Power Administration and it's hydro

993
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:26,800
power from South Dakota, Nebraska in

994
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,800
that area. And so we have a a set amount

995
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,240
of power that we've been receiving from

996
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:35,040
them for quite some time. And uh

997
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,720
originally WAPA did not

998
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:40,480
they didn't allow us to do any of these

999
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,240
things and then just like Reed had

1000
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:44,960
stated they recently now allowed us to

1001
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,119
first we could just s do it voluntarily

1002
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:48,880
and so then Crystal we gave them to

1003
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,040
Crystal they were one of our largest

1004
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,599
customers our largest customer and then

1005
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:56,079
after that then they said we could we

1006
00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:59,119
could now sell them. So he explained it

1007
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:01,680
pretty well. And so the

1008
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,599
um we MMPA administers it for us. They

1009
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:09,520
it's called the M emits account. So they

1010
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,680
were already putting they were managing

1011
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,400
that for us. WA would each year you get

1012
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,680
an aotment and then uh those rerecks go

1013
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,119
into that emrets and then from there

1014
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:24,079
then we sell them. We had MMPA even bid

1015
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:26,319
them out and so we went through that

1016
00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:30,319
process once and the price that uh MMPA

1017
00:41:30,319 --> 00:41:32,079
is offering us is pretty good price and

1018
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:34,800
like Reed said if we can lock it in

1019
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:35,920
because we don't know what's going to

1020
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,359
happen down the road. It may come where

1021
00:41:37,359 --> 00:41:39,119
they extend out these requirements and

1022
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:41,760
let let the state the state says you

1023
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,079
have longer to become renewable and then

1024
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:46,560
those credit the number may go down. But

1025
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,640
this was a way to lock in $3

1026
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,000
million over 15 years. And so I guess

1027
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,960
that's that's why we're here. But as far

1028
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,920
as WA WAPA, they're we've been we've

1029
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:01,280
been working with them for a long time.

1030
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,560
We have a contract that runs till 2050.

1031
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,200
I believe it's 2050.

1032
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,800
>> Go ahead, Tim.

1033
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,280
>> These wrecks can uh fluctuate too,

1034
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,760
right, Keith? One year they were like 32

1035
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,800
33,000. Now it's not that they fluctuate

1036
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,720
but not not that much. It was it's

1037
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:21,040
65,824.

1038
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,680
This year I think back in 23 there were

1039
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,359
like 71,000

1040
00:42:25,359 --> 00:42:27,280
because we we do get an aotment and I

1041
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:28,720
don't they fluctuate a little bit but

1042
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:32,400
not a lot. So anywhere from 68 to 71. So

1043
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,000
it'll be pretty steady. But uh yeah, and

1044
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,520
then the process if if you once you sign

1045
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,440
the document because we've already

1046
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,599
signed off, they could have a check to

1047
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:46,960
us and for 2025 here in about a week and

1048
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,640
so you you'll get you'd get a couple

1049
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,040
hundred,000 right away and then process

1050
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,800
they usually give us the Rex again come

1051
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,440
March and so so within a year you could

1052
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,760
probably have 400,000

1053
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,359
or so to to use for infrastructure.

1054
00:43:01,359 --> 00:43:03,440
>> Great. Thank you, Mayor Olstead.

1055
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,400
>> Thank you, Mr. President. So, with this

1056
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,680
fund being sent up, so make clear that

1057
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,400
we are going to lay out within that so

1058
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,240
we don't have to go back 15, 20 years

1059
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:16,079
and go, okay, what do they mean we're

1060
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:18,319
doing with this, but also at the same

1061
00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:22,720
time allow future councils to say, okay,

1062
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:25,280
we may change this with through a

1063
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,720
process. Um but

1064
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:30,240
to lay it out to make sure that we

1065
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:31,680
understand everybody understands it when

1066
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,119
they come off the street and read it

1067
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:35,119
that these are being used for this this

1068
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:38,560
and this or this has to be laid out

1069
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,960
because if it's not

1070
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,880
people can go well doesn't say that here

1071
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,079
we can use it for this you know so and

1072
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:47,839
if we're if we're looking at using it

1073
00:43:47,839 --> 00:43:49,599
for

1074
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:52,560
economic development within

1075
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,599
infrastructure for the city

1076
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:57,920
uh helping out

1077
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,599
it with the discretion of the city

1078
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:02,800
council of where that money goes to. So

1079
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,800
the city council has a final say on it

1080
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,839
and don't listen to any recommendations.

1081
00:44:07,839 --> 00:44:09,680
But

1082
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,720
that's my opinion.

1083
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:14,240
>> Okay, Mr. Helps.

1084
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:16,640
>> Yeah, I'd like clarification. Uh these

1085
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,960
wrecks you're talking about, are these

1086
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,800
distributed free?

1087
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,319
>> Yep.

1088
00:44:22,319 --> 00:44:25,200
Okay. So it's like a gift. I mean you

1089
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,440
don't we didn't pay for them by

1090
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,839
belonging to the swapper or whatever

1091
00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:33,280
>> or did we?

1092
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,400
>> No, we we buy the power from them and so

1093
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,680
>> this is one it's it's a megawatt hour is

1094
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:40,640
one wreck.

1095
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,200
>> Okay. And so we buy that amount of power

1096
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,400
from them. And so this renewable energy,

1097
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,119
it started, as you know, years back when

1098
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:52,400
they wanted wanted to get uh citizens to

1099
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,960
start using more renew renewables. And

1100
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,119
then these renewable credits, they came

1101
00:44:57,119 --> 00:44:59,680
about about I don't know 15 20 years

1102
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,400
ago. And so yeah, we didn't pay anything

1103
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,079
specifically for the Rex.

1104
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:06,720
>> Okay. That's all I need now.

1105
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:12,319
>> People um customers, businesses.

1106
00:45:12,319 --> 00:45:14,160
So, let's say if the grocery store,

1107
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,319
there's people they people that go do

1108
00:45:16,319 --> 00:45:18,640
business with them, they like they like

1109
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,839
renewable energy. And so, so the

1110
00:45:21,839 --> 00:45:24,480
customers tell entities that we want you

1111
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,880
to have renewable power. And so

1112
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,359
renewable energy credits is a way for um

1113
00:45:31,359 --> 00:45:33,119
there is value to that because people

1114
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:35,839
that don't have enough renewable energy

1115
00:45:35,839 --> 00:45:38,160
credits or if don't produce enough

1116
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,079
renewable energy, they can buy these

1117
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:42,319
credits to say that they're 100%

1118
00:45:42,319 --> 00:45:45,599
renewable or 50% renewable and then that

1119
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:47,599
helps helps their business in return.

1120
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:49,359
And that's kind of the philosophy around

1121
00:45:49,359 --> 00:45:53,910
renewable energy credits.

1122
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,599
Okay, go ahead, Reed.

1123
00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:57,040
>> Yeah, thank you, Council President, if I

1124
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,280
may. Um, to Mayor Olstead's point and

1125
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,560
just kind of talk through the mechanics

1126
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,000
of that. Um, we will on the council

1127
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,440
agenda next week, we'll have the

1128
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,200
agreement that Water and Light approved

1129
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,440
last week for your approval and then we

1130
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,000
would have a resolution that lays out

1131
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,040
the definition of how this fund will be

1132
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,119
created and the parameters in which it

1133
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:19,280
can be used. I would base it off of some

1134
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:20,560
of the bullet points here that I

1135
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,040
included in this RCA. So, if there is

1136
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,839
any added scope that you'd like to see,

1137
00:46:25,839 --> 00:46:27,920
I guess that discussion would be better

1138
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,680
had sooner than later so we know what to

1139
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,640
draft for next week. Um, and then in the

1140
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,800
mechanics of it on the accounting side,

1141
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,240
you know, we talked we've talked a lot

1142
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:40,079
recently about the 401 fund, right? this fund is going to get a number like

1143
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:42,319
that in our accounting system that would

1144
00:46:42,319 --> 00:46:44,160
be included in the audit and there'd be

1145
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,160
an audit trail annually of what the

1146
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,720
revenues and expenses have been from it

1147
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:50,880
um and a name and so the name of it

1148
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,560
would be something along the lines of

1149
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,240
economic development infrastructure

1150
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:57,680
fund. Carla not notified me last week I

1151
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,079
might have a character limit on how many

1152
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:02,240
characters we can put in our accounting

1153
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:04,160
system but we'll something of that

1154
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,640
nature we'll we'll have it named so that

1155
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,079
it can be tracked properly.

1156
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:13,200
>> Great. So, so one one one

1157
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,440
other thing to mention is every time we

1158
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,119
sit in a utility meeting, we have

1159
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:19,520
discussions and people come in and they

1160
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,599
start talking about uh doing something

1161
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:25,040
or adding people in our entities to our

1162
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,800
industrial park. They always come up

1163
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,880
with utilities aren't expanded out into

1164
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,000
those areas, etc. you know, and so we we

1165
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,160
kind of hit a dead end and that was one

1166
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,760
of the main reasons why the commission

1167
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,480
and and I and others thought that it'd

1168
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,000
be good to go towards the industrial

1169
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,839
park because where are we going to

1170
00:47:41,839 --> 00:47:45,119
create the most tax base the quickest?

1171
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:47,599
It's an industrial park. So that's kind

1172
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:50,160
of how this started.

1173
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,560
>> That's thankful. Thank you. Uh Mr.

1174
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:53,440
Helms, you had a comment.

1175
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,000
>> Thank you, Mr. President. Um Reed, does

1176
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,000
this have to be voted on next week?

1177
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,240
Cuz that's like giving us a resolution

1178
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:03,760
to read, then we got to decide that

1179
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,200
night. It's not coming in front of a

1180
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,119
work session. So, don't give you any

1181
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:08,480
time if you want to change or do

1182
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,560
anything. So, we're kind of back to

1183
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,000
that. You know, Ben and I have both

1184
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,800
asked you uh to bring things to a work

1185
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,280
session first so we can at least see it

1186
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:18,800
before we know what we're voting on that

1187
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,720
night. So,

1188
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:22,720
>> yeah. Good. No, it's a great question.

1189
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:25,119
Um, I maybe look across to Keith. This

1190
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:27,440
the agreement that was approved by by

1191
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,760
Water and Light. No real time

1192
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,000
sensitivity to that. My reaction would

1193
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,079
be if you'd like to see the resolution

1194
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:35,920
in its drafted form, that could come to

1195
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:40,480
a work session in a couple of weeks and then we'd be into the first meeting

1196
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,040
in July before that was approved.

1197
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,880
>> Yeah. I don't it can wait. I mean, it's

1198
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:47,359
pretty strict.

1199
00:48:47,359 --> 00:48:48,640
>> I mean, I'd like to see it happen. I

1200
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,160
don't know about anybody else, but I'd

1201
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:51,680
like to be able to look at it before

1202
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,760
>> the I mean, not saying anything's going

1203
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,280
to be wrong or I want to change

1204
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:56,720
anything, but I still like to see what

1205
00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:57,280
I'm voting

1206
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:58,880
>> or as I'm thinking out loud, maybe the

1207
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,800
other approach would be to get the

1208
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,880
agreement signed is we'd have on the

1209
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,839
agenda next week approving the agreement

1210
00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:08,160
and then at the following work session

1211
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,079
have the resolution that designates

1212
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:13,200
where these funds will go upon receipt

1213
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,920
and and ratify a resolution that speaks

1214
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,160
specifically to the creation of the the

1215
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:19,280
investment fund.

1216
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,079
>> I like that idea. At least get going.

1217
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:23,680
You have your money and then you can

1218
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,839
decide how you want to

1219
00:49:25,839 --> 00:49:29,680
>> just to clarify. Forgive me. Are both of

1220
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,640
you gone next in two weeks?

1221
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,520
>> I will be gone the work session of the

1222
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:36,640
23rd. Yes.

1223
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,400
>> Well, that's and you're gone, too. So, I

1224
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:38,720
mean,

1225
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:39,920
>> yeah.

1226
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,319
>> Do we want Reed here and Brian here to

1227
00:49:42,319 --> 00:49:44,480
discuss the resolution? That's all I'm

1228
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,319
point. Yeah, fair point.

1229
00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:49,680
>> I was just going to say it' be my

1230
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,520
recommendation to go ahead and sell the

1231
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,240
racks because that's what we want to do.

1232
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:57,440
>> And then after the fact, after the fact,

1233
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,920
we can put together or have a resolution

1234
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,000
put together and you can take a little

1235
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:07,520
bit more time instead of, you know, to develop your policy and to make sure

1236
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:13,510
that it's in inclusive. Um,

1237
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,200
that'd be just my recommendation.

1238
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:16,880
>> Yeah. I just like to see it getting

1239
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,280
written up as the mayor suggested, kind

1240
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,119
of what he was looking for, you know,

1241
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:23,680
cuz if we do it next week, it might not

1242
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,760
be what he's after.

1243
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,520
>> So, you're looking at the 14th of July

1244
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,079
then is next work session.

1245
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:30,480
>> All right.

1246
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:31,200
>> Yes.

1247
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:32,880
>> Yeah.

1248
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,559
>> Okay. Go ahead. I I was just going to

1249
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:36,800
say if we get if you approve just

1250
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,839
accepting the money, we can put a fund

1251
00:50:39,839 --> 00:50:41,119
put the money in the fund and the

1252
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:42,800
resolution will just explain what you

1253
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,720
want to spend the money on, but we can

1254
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:47,680
deposit the money into a fund

1255
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,839
>> for the fund so that we get the money

1256
00:50:49,839 --> 00:50:51,760
and it's accounted for.

1257
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:52,880
>> Yeah.

1258
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,640
>> Okay,

1259
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:55,119
>> great.

1260
00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:57,119
>> That's a workable plan to do that.

1261
00:50:57,119 --> 00:50:59,520
>> Good discussion. Appreciate that. Okay.

1262
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,440
Any other thoughts or comments on the

1263
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,520
MMPA uh renewable energy credits?

1264
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,200
Okay, seeing none, uh we'll move on to

1265
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,599
item number five then. Uh approving the

1266
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:13,119
year end transfers for budget year 2025.

1267
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:14,079
Miss Anderson.

1268
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:16,559
>> Uh thank you, President and Councel. Uh

1269
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:18,480
I put together the list of that

1270
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,559
transfers that were done. Um this is for

1271
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:23,599
the audit. Um we are uh closing up on

1272
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:25,200
our audit. We're just working on the

1273
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,440
financial statement. Um, so on here I

1274
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,040
put on there what was budgeted. I kind

1275
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,119
of explained a little bit in the RCA. So

1276
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:34,960
if we actually just go to the list,

1277
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,520
might be easiest. So the first one is

1278
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,319
the EDA transfer. We budget for that.

1279
00:51:40,319 --> 00:51:42,720
And what that is, that's the um

1280
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:45,760
administrative account. So that's where

1281
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,040
um our EDA director and assistant come

1282
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,280
out of and their expenses. And then we

1283
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,119
just transfer that every year to what

1284
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:56,800
they spent. So, we budget 179 and odd

1285
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,119
change and we and we they actually spent

1286
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:01,760
171. Um, same thing with the next one.

1287
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,599
We budget for our tax abatement program.

1288
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:08,400
Um, we budget 65,000. We actually spent

1289
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,000
$45,000.

1290
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,480
Cemetery, we budgeted 32,000. We

1291
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,559
actually moved 6,334.

1292
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:19,599
Um, that depends on our lot sales. I'll

1293
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:22,880
call them barium sales and expenses in

1294
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,040
the cemetery, but we do get that to a

1295
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,240
zero every year. Um, next one we have

1296
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:31,680
are the 17th Avenue sidewalk. We um had

1297
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,520
a few expenses this year even though it

1298
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,480
was completed last year. Um, and so we

1299
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,160
did move $8,686

1300
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,720
into the project fund, which is the $415

1301
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:45,119
fund, and that was taken out of our

1302
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:48,720
general fund, uh, capital projects fund,

1303
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:52,240
which we budget 35,000 in every year.

1304
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:56,079
Um, in the past, we have approved that

1305
00:52:56,079 --> 00:52:57,920
we put so much in for street

1306
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,720
maintenance, which is like 280,000 every

1307
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:02,480
year, and then it goes up probably

1308
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,119
10,000 a year. and that money was not

1309
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:08,079
all spent for the street improvements.

1310
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:10,079
So what we have done is that we've moved

1311
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:14,000
that budget into the capital project.

1312
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,240
Um so there is no actual money exchange

1313
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:18,640
is just the budget. Um and we stay

1314
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,599
within our budget and so we moved uh

1315
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:24,000
$140,000

1316
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,800
that wasn't spent. So we use that money

1317
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,280
to fund a lot of these projects as we go

1318
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,079
down the list here. Um that has helped

1319
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:34,000
because in the past if we didn't have

1320
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,079
that money that would come out of the

1321
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:38,640
209 fund which is our street ma street

1322
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,760
state aid street maintenance fund and

1323
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,640
right uh as of 2024 that was in the hole

1324
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,599
and we get a allocation about 90,000

1325
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:50,240
every year. So this really was actually

1326
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:51,760
a good thing that happened this year

1327
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,640
because then we um can grow that 209

1328
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,920
fund for other projects in the future.

1329
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,240
So um St. Routes school there was a

1330
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:03,040
little bit left over um there was it

1331
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:07,440
actually wasn't a per se project as an

1332
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,520
infrastructure but we do have state

1333
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,559
route to schools projects where it's

1334
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:14,160
professionals people coming to the

1335
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,119
schools Nancy works with that program um

1336
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:20,480
transit budget we budget 100,283

1337
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,800
and we did transfer that um actually the

1338
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,119
federal government wants to have more

1339
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:29,520
money in that than what's in there, but

1340
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,760
we do budget to what we expect to spend

1341
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,880
and so we move that. Um if there was a

1342
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,040
shortage, the general fund always backs

1343
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:41,359
it. Um debt service, we um actually had

1344
00:54:41,359 --> 00:54:46,400
a a bond deficit in um our fund 539,

1345
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,800
which is our last project for the

1346
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:53,200
streets. Um so we had um the city had

1347
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,319
the streets project in 2015, 16 and 17.

1348
00:54:56,319 --> 00:54:58,800
We did it over 3 years and then we

1349
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,200
actually got a bond for it after it was

1350
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,319
completed and uh many people paid off

1351
00:55:04,319 --> 00:55:07,760
their small specials that they had and

1352
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:11,520
so in when we do the bond we uh

1353
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:12,960
anticipate what we'll collect in

1354
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,200
interest to cover the payments and such

1355
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,520
and um we're actually short we don't

1356
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,920
have that and so um fund 527 was

1357
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,240
actually a 1995 1995 refunding bond

1358
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:29,680
and they had have cash in that. And so

1359
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,359
instead of looking at the general fund

1360
00:55:31,359 --> 00:55:33,920
to fund this, we can take within our own

1361
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,880
bond funds and uh that have cash and

1362
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,720
that have been completed. They're all

1363
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:42,640
paid off. And so we did that for 104,000

1364
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,079
um debt service for the 2017 bond, which

1365
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:49,119
is the same fund 539. We budgeted 120 to

1366
00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:52,240
cover that. Um then we have Lefay Park.

1367
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:54,960
We had just a little bit left um for

1368
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,799
some expenses that came through after

1369
00:55:56,799 --> 00:55:59,839
year end um in 2025. Even though the

1370
00:55:59,839 --> 00:56:02,079
project was completed, most of was

1371
00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:07,200
completed in 2024, but we did know that there would be a few more expenses.

1372
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,000
So, uh fixed assets for the Lefay Park

1373
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,520
were done in 2025 and they were broken

1374
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,680
down by the actual assets. So, they're

1375
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,520
broken down by the dock and the

1376
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:22,480
sidewalks and uh the street. um land is

1377
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,160
not in our fixed asset. It's it's in our

1378
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:25,440
fixed asset group, but there's no

1379
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,559
depreciation on it. Um next one is uh

1380
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:31,200
the sidewalk multi-use connection which

1381
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,280
is over by the library. There was still

1382
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,079
a little bit of money to um cover that.

1383
00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:37,839
So that came out of that general fund,

1384
00:56:37,839 --> 00:56:41,200
capital project fund. on the quiet zone.

1385
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,720
Um there was actually um a few expenses

1386
00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:48,160
on that and so we actually covered those

1387
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,079
with that cap general capital fund

1388
00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:53,119
again. Uh sickly benefit fund, we

1389
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:55,280
budgeted 75,000

1390
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:56,960
and so that was moved out of our general

1391
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,520
fund budget. And just so you're all

1392
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,640
aware of the cash balance in that fund

1393
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:08,309
um is 705 is 67600,000

1394
00:57:08,319 --> 00:57:12,720
and the sick leave acral is 830,000. So

1395
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:16,000
there still is a little bit of a break

1396
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:20,319
that we're short 154,000 but we only

1397
00:57:20,319 --> 00:57:24,880
have to have enough in that fund as if

1398
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,280
we were going to close tomorrow. So, we

1399
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:28,640
know that's not going to happen. We're

1400
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,480
not paying everybody off in sick leave.

1401
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,559
So, we are fine at where we are for that

1402
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:35,520
balance, but that's why we budget every

1403
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,160
year to cover those payoffs for

1404
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,599
retirements, resinations, and such. Um,

1405
00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:43,359
we get next we get to the civic center

1406
00:57:43,359 --> 00:57:46,400
sales tax budget project. We actually

1407
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,799
had some leftover sales tax money from

1408
00:57:50,799 --> 00:57:52,319
well actually that we started collecting

1409
00:57:52,319 --> 00:57:54,799
in July and so we did move that money

1410
00:57:54,799 --> 00:57:57,680
that we had collected up to that point

1411
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,160
um of $340,000

1412
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,160
and then that left like a balance of

1413
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,559
$700. So we took what we could and

1414
00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:07,359
without taking all the cash. Um then we

1415
00:58:07,359 --> 00:58:09,200
get to the civic center sales tax

1416
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,160
project. We did get a Mighty Ducks grant

1417
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,240
for 250,000

1418
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:20,640
which requires a match on it. Um when we were we were told we had to have a

1419
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,160
match into our resolution to accept it.

1420
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:25,760
We put down the building maintenance

1421
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,200
fund or the general fund. Um and what we

1422
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:30,799
always have been doing is that we've

1423
00:58:30,799 --> 00:58:34,480
been budgeting in case we get grants of

1424
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:40,160
50,000 uh match. So we move 2024 we in

1425
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:44,000
2025 we did the 50,000 and in 2026 we

1426
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,160
don't have anticipate another grant so

1427
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:47,920
we will take the 50,000 to cover that

1428
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,839
mighty ducks grant so we don't have to

1429
00:58:49,839 --> 00:58:52,720
use sales tax dollars for the match even

1430
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,480
though they have explained to us that we

1431
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,119
can do that we just assume not do that

1432
00:58:57,119 --> 00:58:59,440
because we know it's going to be very

1433
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,440
tight to get the thing the project done

1434
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,040
with what we want done with the sales

1435
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,920
tax dollars. So, um that's why we're

1436
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,119
using that matching dollars in the

1437
00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:10,799
general fund. Uh cemetery improvements.

1438
00:59:10,799 --> 00:59:13,359
Uh there was uh the colarium we did they

1439
00:59:13,359 --> 00:59:15,920
did with some sidewalk work. Um this we

1440
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,280
actually budgeted for this a couple

1441
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:18,400
years because it wasn't always

1442
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,760
completed. And uh that those come out of

1443
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,160
the perpetual fund to do those

1444
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,839
improvements. And the perpetual fund is

1445
00:59:27,839 --> 00:59:30,880
um like an offshoot of the cemetery

1446
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,160
where when we sell a lot or colarium 40%

1447
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,359
of that collected goes into the

1448
00:59:37,359 --> 00:59:40,160
perpetual fund to keep the cemetery

1449
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,079
going perpetually.

1450
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:43,440
That's why it's called the perpetual

1451
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:47,680
fund. Um next we have the um EDA

1452
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,160
discretionary fund uh restricted

1453
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:51,200
discretionary fund.

1454
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:51,599
>> Question.

1455
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:54,400
>> Yes. We don't see that on our on our

1456
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:55,200
packet here.

1457
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:56,880
>> Yeah. The last one we have here is that

1458
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,839
civic center at at 50.

1459
00:59:59,839 --> 01:00:01,040
>> Oh, yeah.

1460
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,720
>> So, it can get covered and p pasted cuz

1461
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,480
I had sent it to Renee and somehow it

1462
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,599
must have knocked out on the next page.

1463
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:12,160
>> Well, you will have it on on

1464
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,319
>> I'm just No, no, thank you. We'll we'll

1465
01:00:14,319 --> 01:00:15,920
fix it, but it'll be on the resolution

1466
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,200
on um

1467
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:18,240
>> for Tuesday.

1468
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:18,799
>> So,

1469
01:00:18,799 --> 01:00:19,839
>> please continue.

1470
01:00:19,839 --> 01:00:22,319
>> Okay. So, um, cemetery improvements,

1471
01:00:22,319 --> 01:00:24,400
sorry that they're not on there. And

1472
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,400
then there's actually just three more.

1473
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,480
Um, and then and so anyway, the EDA

1474
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,400
restricted discretionary fund. So, in

1475
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,640
2024,

1476
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,680
the EDA looked at what they accumulate

1477
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,160
for interest in their funds. Uh, so like

1478
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,880
in the myth loan, the ARP loans. So,

1479
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,760
when we get a loan to a business, we

1480
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,000
actually collect interest on their

1481
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,559
payments and we also collect interest on

1482
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:51,599
their fund. So it was decided that you

1483
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:53,119
know the fund is getting so large and

1484
01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:54,720
there's so many restrictions in those

1485
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,200
funds that it would be better for us to

1486
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,280
use the interest that we would give

1487
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,520
those funds and start our own

1488
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,440
discretionary loan funds so that we

1489
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,040
could give out smaller loans to

1490
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,680
businesses um smaller business that just

1491
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,319
maybe need a grant of $10,000 or

1492
01:01:10,319 --> 01:01:12,640
something. And so when we did that, we

1493
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,680
had put it into one fund and then uh

1494
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,559
Maggie did some research and the money

1495
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:21,440
coming from the myth loan needs to be a

1496
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,440
little more restricted. So we actually

1497
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,640
have two funds. So this was done

1498
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,880
actually in the beginning of the year to

1499
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,920
split the myth amount out of the

1500
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,400
discretionary loan which was interest

1501
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,119
2024 and put that into the EDA

1502
01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:39,920
restricted discretionary fund. So in

1503
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,119
2025, um the interest occurs just like

1504
01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:44,960
it's supposed to now and going to those

1505
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:46,880
funds, but they're not a transfer.

1506
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,040
They're interest on to what their cash

1507
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:53,200
balance is. Questions on that? Um and

1508
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,520
then the last one, um we haven't always

1509
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,119
put it on our transfers because it's

1510
01:01:57,119 --> 01:01:59,839
kind of to us it's not really a

1511
01:01:59,839 --> 01:02:01,280
transfer. It's just always been that we

1512
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:06,079
get a check. So water and light um have funded our building maintenance

1513
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:10,079
fund. Um we started at 250 and then now

1514
01:02:10,079 --> 01:02:12,960
it's up to 400. They write us a check

1515
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,839
first check in January to fund into the

1516
01:02:15,839 --> 01:02:17,520
425 fund which is our building

1517
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,480
maintenance. And so it the outers say

1518
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,480
technically it's a transfer because

1519
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,359
water light and the city are are one

1520
01:02:25,359 --> 01:02:27,280
entity even though they have to write us

1521
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,839
a check. So those two are missing. They

1522
01:02:29,839 --> 01:02:32,480
will be on the resolution for Tuesday.

1523
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:33,040
>> Okay.

1524
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:34,400
>> Questions on anything?

1525
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,799
>> Thanks Carla. No, whatever you said, I'm

1526
01:02:36,799 --> 01:02:37,119
good.

1527
01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:38,240
>> Yeah.

1528
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:39,680
>> Well, I don't I don't want you to do

1529
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:41,119
that. I mean, if there's questions, I

1530
01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:42,559
want you to ask questions.

1531
01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:44,319
>> Dale's been quiet on us.

1532
01:02:44,319 --> 01:02:46,319
>> Well, thank you, Dale.

1533
01:02:46,319 --> 01:02:48,640
>> All right. Any questions for Carla?

1534
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:49,760
>> I see none. Thank you.

1535
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:50,240
>> Thank you.

1536
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,640
>> Yes. Okay. Uh, that brings us, I

1537
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,720
believe, right to the end of our agenda

1538
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,319
here for the work session. Uh, so we'd

1539
01:02:56,319 --> 01:02:58,799
be looking for a motion to adjourn.

1540
01:02:58,799 --> 01:03:01,359
>> Moved by Pakuinsky.

1541
01:03:01,359 --> 01:03:01,839
>> Second.

1542
01:03:01,839 --> 01:03:05,040
by Helms. All in favor say I. I

1543
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,760
oppose. Same sign. Okay. Motion passes.

1544
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,240
Uh work session is closed. And then if

1545
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,400
everyone will stick around here, we have

1546
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:16,630
a special meeting.

1547
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,359
And uh Reed, I let me know when you're

1548
01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:21,599
ready. We can

1549
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:24,319
>> go right for it. Okay. Let's uh let's do

1550
01:03:24,319 --> 01:03:26,640
it. Let's uh call to order the special

1551
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:28,319
meeting

1552
01:03:28,319 --> 01:03:30,319
of the city of East Grand Forks for

1553
01:03:30,319 --> 01:03:35,440
Tuesday, June 9th, 2026 at 6:04 p.m. Uh

1554
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,880
would the city clerk please call roll?

1555
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:40,240
>> Mayor Mark Olstead

1556
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:40,720
>> here.

1557
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,119
>> Brian L or Council President Brian

1558
01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:43,680
Larson

1559
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:44,240
>> here.

1560
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,000
>> Council Vice President Tim Riael

1561
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:46,480
>> here.

1562
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,240
>> Council member Tammy Schumacher

1563
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:48,640
>> here.

1564
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:49,839
>> Ben Pukinsky

1565
01:03:49,839 --> 01:03:50,319
>> here.

1566
01:03:50,319 --> 01:03:51,039
>> Dale Helms

1567
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:51,599
>> here.

1568
01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:52,799
>> Don Kism

1569
01:03:52,799 --> 01:03:54,240
>> here. Karen Peterson

1570
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:55,200
>> here.

1571
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,240
>> Okay, we have a quorum. Uh, first item

1572
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,960
and only item uh for today here is uh

1573
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,760
consider approving resolution number

1574
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:07,589
26-06-53.

1575
01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:10,000
Uh, cannabis retail registration

1576
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:14,319
preapproval to Red Iris LLC located at

1577
01:04:14,319 --> 01:04:19,200
302 and 304 Demurs Avenue.

1578
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,440
>> Okay, we have a motion by Peterson. Is

1579
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:22,880
there a second?

1580
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,039
by Riael.

1581
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:27,680
Any question or discussion

1582
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:30,480
or Reed? Any any uh updates for the or

1583
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:32,079
not updates but comments for the

1584
01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:33,680
council?

1585
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,240
>> Thank you, Mr. President. Um no real

1586
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:37,920
change from what we discussed last week

1587
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:39,599
at the work session. Just maybe to the

1588
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:41,920
point on the resolution and Mr. Mr.

1589
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:43,680
Gston, I'll ask you to expand if there's

1590
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,480
anything you want to add, but we did uh

1591
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,200
try to draft the resolution um that lays

1592
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:50,960
out the history of the work that's been

1593
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,480
completed so far and what we learned

1594
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,799
from Red Iris and Chicago Atlantic over

1595
01:04:54,799 --> 01:04:56,880
the last couple of weeks in the now

1596
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,680
therefore be it resolved portion of it.

1597
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,319
Um at the bottom uh to maybe some of the

1598
01:05:02,319 --> 01:05:04,079
comments that council member Helms that

1599
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:08,160
you made reg requesting a timeline. Um,

1600
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,160
we kind of ended on Ron and I talked

1601
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,880
about it ended on that we didn't um,

1602
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:16,079
have a great uh, measuring parameter for

1603
01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:18,160
how to put a timeline on it. Um, because

1604
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,400
there's so many outside entities that

1605
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,839
have control. Um, the Office of Cannabis

1606
01:05:23,839 --> 01:05:26,079
Management on licensing and and a

1607
01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:28,319
contractor to build the the

1608
01:05:28,319 --> 01:05:31,440
improvements. Um, so Mr. Golstead

1609
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:32,880
suggested adding these last couple

1610
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,079
sentences here the that this extension

1611
01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:37,839
may be revoked for failure to promptly

1612
01:05:37,839 --> 01:05:39,440
acquire the property or to make

1613
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,119
substantial and timely progress

1614
01:05:41,119 --> 01:05:43,599
renovating the building. Um so that at

1615
01:05:43,599 --> 01:05:46,480
least we can have some level of of

1616
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,760
enforcement to the companies involved in

1617
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,400
this transaction to that they can show

1618
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,160
us

1619
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,000
uh progress towards acquisition and

1620
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,559
improvements. And then we know as we've

1621
01:05:58,559 --> 01:05:59,839
learned with the others that when you

1622
01:05:59,839 --> 01:06:02,559
get into the the licensing aspect for

1623
01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:04,400
the office of cannabis management that

1624
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,240
sort of has a timeline of its own above

1625
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,880
and beyond the renovations. Um but this

1626
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:12,400
does have some some control parameters

1627
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,839
on our part that will require them to

1628
01:06:15,839 --> 01:06:17,839
stay timely and keep us updated on their

1629
01:06:17,839 --> 01:06:18,640
progress.

1630
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,520
>> Great. Thank you, Reed. Okay. Any final

1631
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,880
comments or questions? Seeing none, um

1632
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,390
roll call, please.

1633
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,359
Gazmi,

1634
01:06:31,359 --> 01:06:32,720
>> yes.

1635
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:33,599
>> Peterson,

1636
01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:34,160
>> yes.

1637
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:34,960
>> Larson,

1638
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:35,520
>> yes.

1639
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:36,319
>> Shoe marker,

1640
01:06:36,319 --> 01:06:36,720
>> yes.

1641
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:37,599
>> Pakinsky,

1642
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:38,079
>> yes.

1643
01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:38,799
>> Riael,

1644
01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:39,200
>> yes.

1645
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:39,760
>> Elms,

1646
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:40,160
>> yes.

1647
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,319
>> Okay, motion passes. Uh, that's the end

1648
01:06:42,319 --> 01:06:44,079
of the agenda for the special meeting. I

1649
01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:45,280
would be looking for a motion to

1650
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:46,400
adjurnn. Oh.

1651
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,039
>> Moved by Puck Shivinsky. Second by

1652
01:06:49,039 --> 01:06:51,760
Riapel. All in favor say I. I. Oppose.

1653
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:53,760
Same sign. Meeting is closed. Thank you

1654
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,760
everyone.