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Welcome everyone to the East Lancing

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City Council discussion only meeting of

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May 19th, 2026. Uh the meeting will come

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to order. Could we have the roll call,

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please?

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>> Council member Council Member Whan

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» Council member Council Member Whan

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>> here.

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» here.

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>> Council member Meadows

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» Council member Meadows

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>> here. Council member Singh

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» here. Council member Singh

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>> here.

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» here.

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>> Mayor Prom Griggsby

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» Mayor Prom Griggsby

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>> here.

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» here.

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>> Mayor Alman

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» Mayor Alman

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>> here. Is there a motion to approve the

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» here. Is there a motion to approve the

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agenda?

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>> So moved.

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» So moved.

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>> Moved by Meadows.

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» Moved by Meadows.

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>> Second.

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» Second.

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>> Second by Griggsby. Any discussion of

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» Second by Griggsby. Any discussion of

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the agenda?

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All those in favor say I.

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>> I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Agenda

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» I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Agenda

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is approved.

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Uh communications from the audience.

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Um, I will call the slips in the order

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that I have received them. First speaker

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is Erica Zedzik Hernandez.

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» Good evening.

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Thank you for the opportunity to speak

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this evening.

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I'm an employee of the city of East

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Lancing. I report directly to the city

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manager.

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My purpose tonight is share is to share

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my experience working for Robert Belman.

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Since the city manager reports directly

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to you,

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I feel it is important for you to

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understand my experience.

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In 2025,

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Robert sexually harassed me

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and was verbally abusive towards me.

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His nickname for me was too easy.

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The first time he said it to me, I had

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no idea what he meant. As a defense

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mechanism, I quickly turned it into a

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harmless joke. He would frequently say

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to me, "You're too easy." And laugh. To

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me, it felt like he was insulting either

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my intelligence or my sexuality.

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Either way, I hated it.

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But I truly didn't know what to do. He's

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my boss and the city manager.

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His former assistant witnessed him

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calling me this nickname on numerous

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occasions.

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It got so bad that she pulled me aside

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and told me she didn't like how Robert

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talked to me. I told her I was fine and

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I could handle it.

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One evening, Robert and I were leaving

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City Hall together. We were alone.

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As we walked down the stairs, Robert

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joked and said, "Come on, Pokey." I told

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him that I'm slow on the stairs because

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my knees are bad. Robert responded by

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muttering, "Too easy." under his breath.

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I felt disgusted and embarrassed.

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I immediately pretended like the

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incident never happened.

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On another occasion, Robert threatened

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my job.

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We were discussing a grant and he asked

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me rapidfired questions. He looked and

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acted frustrated. When Robert is upset,

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he tends to ask me questions in such

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quick succession that I don't have time

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to think of a response before he is on

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to his next question.

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As a result, I feel stupid and he acts

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as if he is in control. Such was this

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occasion. He angrily said, "Why do I now

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have two grant writers? How much do you

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and unnamed co-worker make combined in

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one year? 150,000. That would ease the

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city's budget deficit if I didn't have

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to pay for two grant writers. His former

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assistant witnessed this interaction and

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looked visibly shocked.

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Robert tried to intimidate me to follow

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his direction. He gave me instructions

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and I saved and and I asked him

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questions which led to a discussion. As

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he walked away from me, he mumbled

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something and laughed. I asked him what

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he said. He looked at me and smirked. He

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walked towards me, leaned in very close,

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and whispered, "I trump everybody."

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He laughed out loud as he left my

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office.

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I reported these incidents on others

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using the proper channels as directed by

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city policy, an investigation opened and

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closed. To my knowledge, Robert has not

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been held accountable or received

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consequences for his actions. I do not

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see measurable change in his behavior.

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Yes, the surre the sexual harassment and

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outright verbal abuse directed at me has

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stopped, but that is a very low bar.

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When someone treats you in a degrading

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way and makes you feel less than, it

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stays with you.

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I am deeply concerned that he could

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repeat his behavior. Publicly, the city

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manager can appear friendly and

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thoughtful. However, he is a different

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person behind closed doors.

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Every day, I never know which Robert I

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will encounter, and it is stressful to

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consistently work in this environment.

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Three members of the 2023

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East Lancing City Council hired Robert

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Bellman. Even though his past in Sageno

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County is well known, I filed my

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complaint against the city manager

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during the tenure of the 2025 city

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council. I ask this council to do what

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the previous councils could not. I ask

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you to break the cycle of abuse and hold

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the city manager accountable.

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Silence perpetuates abuse. And I am done

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being silent.

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>> You have 30 seconds remaining.

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» You have 30 seconds remaining.

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>> Thank you, Rashidita Harrison.

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» Thank you, Rashidita Harrison.

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>> Good evening. My name is Dr. Rashidita

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» Good evening. My name is Dr. Rashidita

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Harrison. I'm a candidate for State

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Senate District 28, which is this

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district, a community member,

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and I am a mother of a little boy.

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I attended the press conference last

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week and had the honor of hugging Karen

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Kirby, Isaiah's mother. I attended

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because Isaiah could have been one of my

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students. And when I look at his

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picture, I know he could be my son.

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I am also here. I'm sorry. I'm here

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tonight for two reasons, actually.

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[laughter]

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Um, first I know firsthand the fear

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black mothers have for their children,

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knowing the dangers they face every day

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for just existing while praying that you

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never have to face losing your child to

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state violence. I am also here because

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what I witnessed last week made

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something clear to me. When a city's

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response to community grief is to manage

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it rather than meet it, there is a

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governance problem. [applause]

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This is not just a police problem.

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Honestly, I couldn't watch the video.

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I've been watching black men killed

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publicly by police officers my entire

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life. So, I read and watched reports and

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talked to community members, and what we

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learned is officers opened fired on

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Isaiah even as non-lethal options were

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available.

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His mother counted at least 17 gunshot

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wounds, including many to his back.

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The family's attorney stated that

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officers continued to fire after he had

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already fallen to the ground.

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The question before this council is not

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simply what the law permits. The

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question is what kind of community are

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we choosing to be?

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I also want to name what happened in the

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room last week. This council voted to

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reduce public comment from 5 minutes to

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three and to ban the act of clapping or

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other forms of human emotion to issues

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of justice and injustice. A former

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council member named it clearly. She

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said, "Now that the black and brown

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people are showing up, suddenly there's

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a resolution that reduces our public

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comment.

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These measures appear to give the

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council reason to bar community members.

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Essentially, you've criminalized the

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sound of solidarity.

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We are living in a moment where black

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and brown voices are being silenced and

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shut down at every level of this

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country, federally, legislatively,

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institutionally.

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I would hope that here at home we would

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choose differently,

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that this would be the place where we

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resist that urge and not replicate it. I

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would hope that we choose democracy,

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allowing the people's voices to be

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heard.

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I am imploring you, please govern using

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a politics of care where the people are

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centered. It is not only possible to do

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your jobs and govern empathetically.

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It is only it is the only way to

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ethically actually do it. The people in

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this room are not a problem to be

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managed. We are your constituents and we

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are watching.

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Thank you, Rebecca Quasin.

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My name is Rebecca Kasein. I come here

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as a private citizen, not on behalf of

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any commissions, organizations, or

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campaigns I'm connected to. I'm here

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because I'm furious. I'm here because

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Isaiah Kirby's blood is on your hands.

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For more than six months, this community

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has come before you, begging you to

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confront the racism inside the East

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Lancing Police Department. We came here

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with testimony, with evidence, with

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pain, and every single time this council

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chose self-preservation over

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accountability. Isaiah Kirby's blood is

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on your hands. In August, two innocent

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young black men were pepper-sprayed by

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an East Lancing police officer.

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Innocent. And instead of protecting

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those young men, Chief Jen Brown went on

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television and painted them as

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criminals. She released their names,

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charged them, lied about what they had

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or had not done, and she just continued

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to spread false narratives. She warned

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people that minorities from outside the

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community are coming here to commit

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crimes. There there are children. They

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live here. Blackness itself was just

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enough to just blackness itself was

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enough to justify suspicion.

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This is why Isaiah Kirby's blood is on

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your hands. We demanded accountability.

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We demanded Chief Brown resign or be

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terminated. We demanded discipline from

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every officer for every officer

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involved. Instead, the city circled its

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wagons. One officer quietly resigned and

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everyone else was protected by this

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machine. Isaiah's blood is on your

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hands. And while residents begged you to

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address the racism, this council spent

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its energy trying to silence descent.

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You tried to bully the Human Rights

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Commission when we when we investigated

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the discrimination. You advanced racist

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ordinances disguised as as public

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safety. At your last meeting, you went

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so far as to pass rules threatening

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residents with removal or arrest for

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clapping, cheering, or cheering at

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public meetings. Clapping. cheering,

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human emotion. You call it decorum.

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Let's call it what it really is.

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Control, respectability, politics, white

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supremacy wrapped up in parliamentary

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procedure.

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You are more disturbed by loud residents

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than by armed officers brutalizing black

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people. You are more offended by

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disruption in this chamber than by

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violence in the streets. You sit here

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demanding silence from the public while

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empowering people with guns, badgers,

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and immunity to kill. Isaiah's blood is

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on your hands.

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Then came Isaiah,

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a human being in the middle of a mental

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health crisis. A man holding a knife to

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his own neck. A man who needed

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intervention, compassion, distance,

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deescalation, and trained trained crisis

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response. I know those responses are

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possible because I've lived it. I had to

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call 911 for a family member having a

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mental health crisis. The East Lancing

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police who responded treated my family

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member with patience, kindness, empathy,

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and humanity. Nobody fired 17 bullets.

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Nobody treated this person like a

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monster. Nobody decided their life was

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disposable. And so I have to question uh

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this coun I so I have to ask the

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question this council refuses to

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confront. Why was compassion available

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for my family member but not Isaiah? Is

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it because my family member was white?

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Are we living in an aparttheid city

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where public services, safety, patience,

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empathy, and humanity are reserved for

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people with less melanin?

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>> Because that's what this looks like.

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» Because that's what this looks like.

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Isaiah's blood is on your hands.

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This department loves to brag about its

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CRIT training, mental health, first aid,

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deescalation, community policing. You

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hold press conferences and trainings and

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photo ops to convince the public that

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these officers are prepared to preserve

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life. But when the moment came to prove

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it, they emptied 17 bullets into a man

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in crisis. 17 shots. Not one officer

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decided that Isaiah's life was worth

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slowing down for. Not one officer

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decided to try and use non-lethal force.

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Funny how this department had no problem

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pepper spraying innocent black men a few

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months ago, but suddenly forgot every

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non-lethal option when a black man's

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life was actually hanging in the

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balance. That is not public safety. That

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is not protection. That is a publicly

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funded execution. Isaiah's blood is on

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your hands. And every single one of you

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who stays silent shares the

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responsibility. Every council member who

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hides behind waiting for investigations.

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Every official who refuses to challenge

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Chief Brown. Every person in this body

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who cares more about the city's image

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than the lives being destroyed but uh by

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the people acting in your name. This did

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not happen in a vacuum. You were warned

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over and over and over again. You were

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warned that there was a cultural problem

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inside this department. You were warned

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about racism, about escalation, about

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hostility towards the community. And

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instead of acting, you treated the

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people sound the people sounding like

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the alarm like they were the problem.

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Now a man is dead. Isaiah's blood is on

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your hands. And I do not want to hear

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thoughts and prayers. I do not want to

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hear carefully scripted condolences.

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>> 30 seconds remaining.

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» 30 seconds remaining.

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>> I do not want to hear about another task

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» I do not want to hear about another task

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force, another statement, another

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promise to listen and learn. We are far

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beyond that. What happened to Isaiah

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Kirby was not an unavoidable tragedy. It

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was the predictable outcome of a police

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culture that this council continues to

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protect. A culture where black people

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are treated as threats first and human

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beings second. A culture where criticism

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is dismissed, accountability is delayed,

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and violence is excused. You built this.

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You defended it. You enabled it.

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Isaiah's blood is on your hands.

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>> Thank you, Kath Edel.

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» Thank you, Kath Edel.

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[applause]

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» What was it?

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Can you repeat the name please?

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>> Kath Edel

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6 months of us pointing out racism and

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more than likely it'll be sexual

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harassment that takes him down. That's

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white supremacy.

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300 years of humiliation, abuse, and

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deprivation cannot be expected to find

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voice in a whisper. Martin Luther King

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Jr. While this council has made it clear

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they would prefer that we whisper, we

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are here to say hell no. A system of

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oversight that recover requires public

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comment is a system that does not want

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to be informed. A system that treats

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black dignity like a provocation and not

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a birthright is a white supremacist

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system. We are angry. We are frustrated.

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And we foretold this outcome for months

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and years before today. By now, most if

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not all of us have seen the video

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footage released by the city of the

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police killing of Isaiah Christopher

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Kirby. Most of us sitting in the gallery

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can hold space for two truths. Mr.

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Mock's assault was horrific and Mr.

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Kirby's death was unnecessarily caused

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by excessive force committed by the East

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Lancing Police Department. After

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impaneling national and local experts on

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use of force, the East Lancing

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Independent Police Oversight Commission

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crafted a draft rewrite of ELPD's use of

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force policy in 2023. The department

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declined to implement our suggestions

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and chose to stick with the bare minimum

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standards and current paramilitarized

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training. One suggestion we made was to

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add the following. The de the department

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recognizes and respects the sanctity and

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value of each human life and gives the

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highest priority to the preservation of

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human life and safety for all people

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involved. The department initially

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declined but later added this because it

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was required for accreditation.

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We suggested that they keep the fourth,

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fifth and 14th amendments in the

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forefront as the lowest bar. They

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declined. The fifth amendment reads in

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part, "No person shall be deprived of

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life, liberty, or property without due

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process of law." Mr. Kirby was deprived

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all three. We also suggested they

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include the US Supreme Court decision

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Tennessee versus Garner, which concluded

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that the use of deadly force is

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reasonable if the officer has probable

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cause to believe that the suspect poses

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a significant threat of death or serious

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physical injury to other officers or

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others. How is a man laying on the

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ground already shot multiple times who

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appears to be holding a knife to his own

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throat a significant threat? We are

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angry. We are heartbroken. And we know

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that 300 years of humiliation, abuse,

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and deprivation will not end today. We

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know this for many reasons, including a

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comprehensive police violence report

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released by the nonprofit research

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organization Mapping Police Violence

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shows that at least 121 people were

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killed by law enforcement officers

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across the United States in 2025. So far

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in 2026, 449 individuals have been

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killed, including 96 black people, or

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22% of the total deaths in a country

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where black people comprise

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approximately 12% of the population.

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There have only been five days so far

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this year where police officers not

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killed someone. 95% of the deaths

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involving police officers resulted from

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police shootings. We also know that

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fewer than 1% of police related killings

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result in officers being charged with a

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crime with charges filed in only eight

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cases in 2025. Furthermore, black

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prosecutors, particularly black women,

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primarily represented those who pursued

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criminal charges and police related

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deaths from 2013 to 2025. Although black

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women make up only 1% of elected

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prosecutors nationwide, they account for

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8% of prosecutors who filed charges

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against officers. 9% of those who

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secured convictions and 16% of

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prosecutors who brought charges in two

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or more deadly force incidences.

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The Michigan's AG office is run by a

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white woman. The Ingam County prosecutor

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is a white man. There is no justice for

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a black man in a system of whiteness so

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entrenched on preserving white

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supremacy. As this council continues to

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focus on process and procedures,

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families are hurting in large part

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because process has never meant justice.

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East Lancing can and must do better than

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the lowest bar. I will close with

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another quote from Martin Luther King

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Jr. For years I have heard the word

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wait. This weight has almost always

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meant never. Thank you.

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>> Thank you Erica Schmidt deal. [applause]

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call and speak soon.

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>> Hello, my name is Erica Schmidt deal. I

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» Hello, my name is Erica Schmidt deal. I

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am a social worker and I'm a resident of

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East Lancing. I am here to ask for

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resignations from Jen Brown and I was

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not planning to ask for a resignation

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from Mr. Bellman, but now I will um

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having heard the first speaker of today.

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Um I find it appalling that Mr. Bellman

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would state that he is going to be

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transparent and that the city will be

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transparent um with the Michigan State

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Police in the investigation when Ellie's

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um ability to do anything in terms of

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advancing racial justice in policing in

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East Lancing has been curtailed. Um

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really use of force and racial profiling

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are not issues that just go back six

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months. I know um thanks to our many of

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our community members, these issues are

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getting much more attention in the last

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6 months, but East Lancing has always

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been a sundown town. Um I think

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everybody knows that. Um and I think

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it's time that we stop pretending it's

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not. Um I think we need some radical

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changes um here in our city um to make

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it more welcoming and more safe for

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people of color. Um, and I think we

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should really consider when has the

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NAACP ever been on the wrong side of

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history and if they are calling for

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resignations, we should listen.

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>> Thank you. Annie Kase.

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» Who was it?

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>> Annie Kase.

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Hello, my name is Annie Kase. I am 6

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years old and

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and I in

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>> kindergarten

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» kindergarten

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>> in kindergarten at Red Elementary

551
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:12,399
» in kindergarten at Red Elementary

552
00:32:12,399 --> 00:32:18,159
School. I ca I came here

553
00:32:18,159 --> 00:32:21,200
months ago talked

554
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:26,159
about how the police weren't fair to

555
00:32:26,159 --> 00:32:32,389
people with different skin colors.

556
00:32:32,399 --> 00:32:37,200
My young My five's teacher, Miss Brace,

557
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:42,640
taught me how to be an upstand. She

558
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:49,360
taught me that when something is wrong,

559
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:55,519
you should you are supposed to speak up

560
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:58,960
even when it is hard.

561
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,480
My kindergarten teacher,

562
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,710
>> Miss Man

563
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:04,720
» Miss Man

564
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,200
taught me about perseverance, not giving

565
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,720
up when things are hard.

566
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:18,320
And so I have to come back again

567
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,760
and again because

568
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,600
grown-ups are [laughter] who

569
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,960
are supposed to

570
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,640
lead

571
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,760
and protect people

572
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,480
are not listening.

573
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,200
A man named

574
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:41,990
>> Isaiah

575
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:42,000
» Isaiah

576
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:48,230
>> Isaiah died after police did use their

577
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:48,240
» Isaiah died after police did use their

578
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:48,870
>> training

579
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:48,880
» training

580
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:56,070
>> training.

581
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,240
I'm autistic.

582
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,950
>> Autistic.

583
00:34:00,950 --> 00:34:00,960
» Autistic.

584
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,760
What happens when I am older?

585
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,000
If I am having a really bad day, are

586
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,240
they a are the police going to hurt me

587
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:19,119
or help me? If you say that they are

588
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:21,760
going to help me,

589
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,639
it it is it's only because of

590
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:30,960
the colors of my skin.

591
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:36,800
My mom taught me that when something

592
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,240
when someone is hurt

593
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:45,119
or having a hard time, you are supposed

594
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:50,800
to help them

595
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:56,399
calm down and keep everyone safe.

596
00:34:56,399 --> 00:35:00,160
Are you you you're

597
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,190
>> not supposed

598
00:35:01,190 --> 00:35:01,200
» not supposed

599
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,710
>> you're not supposed to

600
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:04,720
» you're not supposed to

601
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:06,470
>> make

602
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:06,480
» make

603
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:07,510
>> things worse.

604
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:07,520
» things worse.

605
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,470
>> things worse. Grown-ups tell kids

606
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:12,480
» things worse. Grown-ups tell kids

607
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:13,040
our

608
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:13,990
>> to use our word

609
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:14,000
» to use our word

610
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,150
>> to to use our words to not to be

611
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:18,160
» to to use our words to not to be

612
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:18,870
>> patient

613
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:18,880
» patient

614
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:25,190
>> patient and to care about other people.

615
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:25,200
» patient and to care about other people.

616
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,800
I think I think

617
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:29,430
>> police

618
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:29,440
» police

619
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,910
>> police officers should have to do that

620
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:33,920
» police officers should have to do that

621
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,599
too.

622
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:40,560
I do not think police people

623
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,240
should

624
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:46,800
treat be treated differently because

625
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,440
of the colors

626
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,320
of their skin.

627
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:57,760
I do not think people have having a

628
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,160
really bad day

629
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:05,839
should be killed. Uh it is not fair that

630
00:36:05,839 --> 00:36:09,839
kids have to keep asking their grown

631
00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:12,720
keep asking grown-ups to do the right

632
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:17,349
thing.

633
00:36:17,359 --> 00:36:21,520
I want East Lantern to be a city where

634
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,560
everyone is safe

635
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,280
and treated fairly.

636
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:28,400
I want

637
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,310
>> 30

638
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:30,320
» 30

639
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:31,119
to listen

640
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:35,190
>> to listen when people say something is

641
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:35,200
» to listen when people say something is

642
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,720
wrong. I And I want to

643
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:39,349
>> you

644
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:39,359
» you

645
00:36:39,359 --> 00:36:44,950
>> you to be brave enough to fix it. Thank

646
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:44,960
» you to be brave enough to fix it. Thank

647
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,640
you.

648
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,985
>> Thank you, Nicole Keyway Biber.

649
00:36:49,985 --> 00:36:49,995
» Thank you, Nicole Keyway Biber.

650
00:36:49,995 --> 00:37:04,310
[applause]

651
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,440
Good evening. Um,

652
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,839
interesting to see the in the agenda the

653
00:37:11,839 --> 00:37:14,000
training update that we're going to be

654
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,480
privy to apparently later says things

655
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,200
like deescalation, trauma recognition,

656
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,359
and mental resilience,

657
00:37:21,359 --> 00:37:23,839
ethical policing, building trust,

658
00:37:23,839 --> 00:37:26,320
professionalism.

659
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,800
I think it was maybe Sunday. I actually

660
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,640
had an interaction with the East Lancing

661
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,440
Police Department on my suburban street.

662
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,880
Very quiet place. Um I look out the

663
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,000
window, I see one of their vehicles,

664
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,320
three officers across the street from

665
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,440
me. There's a black family. Um there's a

666
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,599
young man standing and speaking with

667
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:49,680
them. [clears throat] Well, even right

668
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,480
now, my heart starts racing.

669
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,440
So, I go out and go to get my mail

670
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,160
because it's across the street. And I

671
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,480
ask my neighbor, "Are you okay?" He

672
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,320
says, "Yeah." I said, "You gave them

673
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:03,280
permission to go in your house?" He's

674
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:04,240
like, "Yeah, I'm okay." I was like,

675
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:07,920
"Okay." And I just go across the street

676
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,560
checking in on him. And one of the

677
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,640
officers says, "Ma'am, we'll come talk

678
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,960
to you afterwards." Like, if you want. I

679
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,359
was like, "Whatever. Okay." So, I stand

680
00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:20,079
and I watch and uh there's a bit more

681
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:23,520
movement and um eventually the young man

682
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,960
goes inside and uh they come over to my

683
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,200
side of the street and um they say, "Oh,

684
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,320
did you have a question about

685
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,079
something?" I said, "I just wanted to

686
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:36,560
make sure he was okay."

687
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,160
They're like, "Oh, well, they called us

688
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,160
in." I was like, "Okay, thanks. I just

689
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,320
want to make sure he was fine." That

690
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,560
could have been it, right? That was the

691
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,680
interaction. I got and we talked a bit.

692
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,599
He said, one of the officers says, "Is

693
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:51,760
there a reason you assume maybe things

694
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,680
weren't okay?"

695
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,280
I was like, "Wow." I was like, "Okay." I

696
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,599
mean, I'll bite. I'm not scared to speak

697
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:02,079
up. I was like, "A lifetime of

698
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:04,480
experience." I was like, "I'm a brown

699
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,480
person. I grew up in a black

700
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,640
neighborhood. I see something like this.

701
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,270
I'm going to ask if they're okay."

702
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,240
They the officer who by the way is the

703
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:21,119
biggest tactical gear vest can picture

704
00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:25,680
ends up saying to me uh saying to me uh

705
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,440
well I don't even think of that. I was

706
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,480
like well okay well I do and I guess you

707
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,040
have the privilege not to.

708
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,870
>> He says I'm not hyperfocused on race.

709
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:36,880
» He says I'm not hyperfocused on race.

710
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,200
So, who here thinks that's not an

711
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,240
implication that I am?

712
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:44,470
>> But of course, when I say that, I'm

713
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:44,480
» But of course, when I say that, I'm

714
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,960
like, "Oh, well, I don't think I'm

715
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,880
hyperfocused. I was telling you my life

716
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,520
experience."

717
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,520
And he says, "I wasn't saying you were.

718
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,160
I was just talking about me." Oh my

719
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,680
gosh.

720
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,760
I have This is over and over the way

721
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,440
it's framed. The problem is us

722
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,920
there. You don't y all don't see color,

723
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,599
right? That's supposed to be like the

724
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:12,720
the magic wand that says racism doesn't

725
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:15,920
exist except in your head.

726
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,520
So, you see things like trauma

727
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,119
recognition.

728
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:22,240
I directly disclose my life experience.

729
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:24,480
His return to me is, "You're

730
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,800
hyperfocused on race." Oh, um, no,

731
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,680
excuse me. He's not.

732
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,440
Building trust and professionalism.

733
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,880
Incredibly condescending.

734
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,640
geared up with tactical vest does not

735
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,200
make me feel safe.

736
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,200
So, y'all are the ones sitting in these

737
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,680
positions. You can call for a

738
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,760
resignation of that police chief and it

739
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,200
sounds like you need to do one for the

740
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,760
city manager as well.

741
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,920
And by the way, limiting people's time

742
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,800
to comment. I was kind of proud of East

743
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,240
Lancing. I'm like, wow, we get five

744
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:58,880
minutes. I have so many situations in my

745
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,280
life where I get just bare bare few

746
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,440
minutes to say something that's in this

747
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,079
case a life and death matter.

748
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:07,440
When you're limit time, you're

749
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,520
undermining the voices of differently a

750
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,440
the differently aabled. Did you think

751
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:12,800
about that?

752
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,550
>> I've encountered so many people are so

753
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:14,560
» I've encountered so many people are so

754
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,640
nervous or not used to public sper

755
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,520
experience. Our voices matter deeply to

756
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,000
one another. That's why people are

757
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,520
probably watching at home. That's why

758
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,280
people came here. We want to hear each

759
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,599
other. Why don't our voices matter to

760
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:30,640
East Lancing leadership?

761
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,079
And and what is it? You're thinking to

762
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:35,119
lead us too.

763
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:37,750
>> 30 seconds remaining.

764
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:37,760
» 30 seconds remaining.

765
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,240
You should be listening and thinking

766
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:42,319
this is the most important part of every

767
00:41:42,319 --> 00:41:46,058
single meeting because it is.

768
00:41:46,058 --> 00:41:47,280
[applause]

769
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,298
Thank you, Kayla Gomez.

770
00:41:51,298 --> 00:42:02,230
[applause]

771
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:04,640
Hello, my name is Kayla Gomez, resident

772
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,280
of East Lancing. Um, I'm up here

773
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,599
basically to again ask for the

774
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:13,119
resignation of Jen Brown and

775
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:15,680
Belman. So, everybody else has done a

776
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,839
great job. I will let them speak.

777
00:42:17,839 --> 00:42:30,309
>> Thank you, Carla Forest Huitt.

778
00:42:30,319 --> 00:42:31,920
Good evening. My name is Carla Forest

779
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:37,520
Huitt. Um, I spoke last week about uh

780
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,599
how

781
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:41,440
much

782
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,520
it is important for us to move forward

783
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,480
in a different way. Um, all the voices

784
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,880
that shared their opinions today are

785
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,920
important. I don't think that we can

786
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,960
move forward without trying to involve

787
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,520
change. We cannot disregard the things

788
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,319
that are said. Silence from leadership

789
00:43:00,319 --> 00:43:03,359
is a dismissal. Um

790
00:43:03,359 --> 00:43:06,720
using policy as a as a stonewall to

791
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:09,680
prevent voices from being shared is also

792
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,680
problematic. I think that um

793
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,079
the employee who came forward and shared

794
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:18,720
her story should be listened to and this

795
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:20,880
shouldn't be the platform where it is

796
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,280
shared. It is really really horrendous

797
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,599
that someone who had this experience has

798
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:28,000
to come publicly and share this in an

799
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,440
open forum. In addition to that, my son

800
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,800
is here today as a person that I care

801
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,880
deeply about and there are other

802
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,200
mothers. Rashidita shared her story

803
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:43,599
about being a parent and I think that as

804
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:46,640
a small community, we have the ability

805
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,760
to make changes that are impactful. We

806
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,920
can make it where East Lancing can be a

807
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,000
place where when you come, you know, the

808
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,680
police offer is going to tell you good

809
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,280
morning and wish you a good day. not

810
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,960
dress you down,

811
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,990
>> right? And it is so appalling to me that

812
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:04,000
» right? And it is so appalling to me that

813
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,160
we cannot

814
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,760
we we hide behind this idea that what

815
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,040
there's potential danger. But by putting

816
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,680
officers in this space, you're inviting

817
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,240
that vibration. I do not understand why

818
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:20,720
this is the move that you make.

819
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:22,960
All of you are live have lived

820
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,359
experience and this has never happened

821
00:44:25,359 --> 00:44:28,160
in this space since we've been doing

822
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,920
this in the Hannah community center and

823
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,319
I have worked here and this is something

824
00:44:32,319 --> 00:44:34,319
that I do not think will happen unless

825
00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:36,720
you invite that and I also think that

826
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:38,240
the training that our police officers

827
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:40,319
have on a global scale and on a national

828
00:44:40,319 --> 00:44:42,319
scale needs to change because this is

829
00:44:42,319 --> 00:44:45,520
not something that

830
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,319
helps us respond to the needs of our

831
00:44:48,319 --> 00:44:50,960
community. Police officers are supposed

832
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,046
to protect and serve, not dominate

833
00:44:54,046 --> 00:44:56,800
[clears throat] and kill.

834
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,319
And so with that said,

835
00:45:00,319 --> 00:45:02,400
what are you going to do going forward?

836
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,280
I mean, so many voices have been shared,

837
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,359
recorded, things have been said, things

838
00:45:07,359 --> 00:45:09,520
have been put in the news. There is a

839
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,119
history. There are things that have been

840
00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:12,720
done before this council that have

841
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:15,119
worked. Why are we not looking to to

842
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:17,440
those changes? Why aren't the rep why

843
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,359
isn't there representation in the city

844
00:45:19,359 --> 00:45:21,520
that represents the diversity of our

845
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,319
community? Why when we put people in

846
00:45:24,319 --> 00:45:26,400
leadership positions, they do not

847
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,480
represent our community? This is why we

848
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,319
continue to have the same decisions.

849
00:45:30,319 --> 00:45:32,640
This is why a lot of the work that I try

850
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,079
to do to create spaces of belonging has

851
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:38,640
been rolled back when I left. And I I'm

852
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:43,119
really really tired of of trying to hope

853
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:46,800
that you do better. I think going

854
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,119
forward, the weeks, the days, the

855
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:50,560
months, every decision that you make

856
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,960
going forward should be a thing to do

857
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,079
better to include voices. Even if you

858
00:45:56,079 --> 00:45:58,079
don't like what is being said, listen

859
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:00,480
and think about how it might be

860
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,640
something useful, impactful. If you

861
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,640
don't have children, talk to people who

862
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,119
have children and experiencees

863
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:10,640
that are are meaningful. Okay? that it

864
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,319
is it is sheer terror a mother feels

865
00:46:14,319 --> 00:46:16,480
when she lets her child go into the

866
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,400
world knowing that when they grow up the

867
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,240
world will start seeing them differently

868
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:25,599
because of their skin color and I've

869
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:28,560
seen it happen when when Isaiah was

870
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,680
small he used to be adorable and then

871
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,359
just by by association he becomes a

872
00:46:35,359 --> 00:46:38,560
person of interest and he's still young

873
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,359
and I'm not making it up. It is not in

874
00:46:41,359 --> 00:46:45,040
my imagination. And so, as others have

875
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,079
said, we need to count hold our police

876
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:49,760
officers accountable. When people do

877
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,920
wrong, they should be held accountable.

878
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,800
It should not just only be for some.

879
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,800
Okay? It should be for everyone.

880
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,319
Everybody should be held accountable for

881
00:46:58,319 --> 00:47:01,839
when they do wrong. And I think that

882
00:47:01,839 --> 00:47:03,349
>> 30 seconds remaining.

883
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:03,359
» 30 seconds remaining.

884
00:47:03,359 --> 00:47:06,870
>> Um, I'm really disappointed. I'm very

885
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:06,880
» Um, I'm really disappointed. I'm very

886
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,680
disappointed. I'm so disappointed it

887
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,640
hurts.

888
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:25,990
>> Thank you, Josh Huitt. [applause]

889
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,160
Um, hello everyone. Um, I really have no

890
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,800
idea what I'm going to say.

891
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,400
I feel like I'm trapped in this loop

892
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,280
coming here. Um, it's it's it's tough.

893
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,160
But either way, um, last week, um,

894
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,599
during commissioner comment, Mark

895
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:40,880
Meadows, I think he addressed something

896
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,599
Taj Mika said. And she said that pretty

897
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:45,280
much if you saw the video footage,

898
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:46,640
chances are most of us would not have

899
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,240
been here. Mark Meadows said he doesn't

900
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:49,920
think that's true. It's interesting that

901
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,119
you guys address stuff when you choose

902
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:53,040
to address stuff and important stuff you

903
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,960
guys just choose not to address. I want

904
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,240
to ask you, Mark Meadows, and I hope you

905
00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:58,240
can can answer this question when you

906
00:47:58,240 --> 00:47:59,200
when you have your commission to

907
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,560
comment. You said you you pretty much

908
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,800
said that um, what James Mccuris Jr.

909
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,040
from the NAACP said in terms of the

910
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,079
officer lunging um Isaiah Kirby lunging

911
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:11,760
at the officer, you said what he said

912
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,480
was contradictory. You said that he

913
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,319
lunged at the officer. I showed the

914
00:48:16,319 --> 00:48:17,680
video to so many people and I watch it

915
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,359
myself. I even showed it to a police

916
00:48:19,359 --> 00:48:20,640
officer. I have a cousin who's a police

917
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,319
officer in New York. I I was like, man,

918
00:48:22,319 --> 00:48:23,760
I called him. I was like, objectively,

919
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:24,720
I'm not going to tell you what I think.

920
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:26,000
I want you to look at this this video

921
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,760
footage objectively. Call me back and

922
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,319
tell me what you think. I asked him, did

923
00:48:30,319 --> 00:48:32,000
the police officer lunch? He gave me a

924
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,040
lot of feedback about a lot of things

925
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,520
that were handled in his opinion, not

926
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:36,559
correctly, but some things that were

927
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:37,680
handled correctly as well. Just to be

928
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,440
honest with you guys, I asked him

929
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,280
Swissily, did the police officer lunge

930
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,040
at did Isaiah Kirby lunge at a police

931
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,599
officer? And he said no. Um, so my

932
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:46,960
question to you, Mark Meadows, is I'm

933
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,559
pretty sure that you saw the video

934
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:49,920
footage that came out Friday. Just

935
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,440
address that for me. Like if if if you

936
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:52,800
were wrong, just admit that you were

937
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,680
wrong. Um, that's all I'm asking. Um,

938
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,280
Robert Belman, I hate to go back on

939
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:58,800
this, but the reason we're in this

940
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,640
position is is honestly because of you

941
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,559
and and the decisions that you made in

942
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:04,240
terms of hiring Jen Brown. I mentioned

943
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:06,880
this in public comment months ago, and

944
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,559
again, I had a sit down with you and I

945
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:10,400
asked you not to hire Jen Brown. So,

946
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,400
again, a lot of this stuff is seeming to

947
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:13,839
be reactive, but again, it's it's it's

948
00:49:13,839 --> 00:49:15,359
not reactive. Again, we're just

949
00:49:15,359 --> 00:49:16,960
frustrated and we've been asking, we've

950
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,640
been asking, we've been asking and you

951
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,119
guys are just not listening. when a lot

952
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:23,920
of community members came showed up to

953
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,280
for the meet and greet for the police

954
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:26,880
officers that were were running for the

955
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,040
police chief position. Again, I said

956
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,800
this in public comment. You you made the

957
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,720
whole thing seem as if we had some sort

958
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:35,200
of our our input would be valued, but

959
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,119
again, it was just a complete joke. You

960
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:39,520
didn't listen to us at all. Um so again,

961
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:40,640
this is why we're we're in this

962
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,119
position. Um Kerry Singh, you might

963
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:44,960
consider yourself white. I I don't know

964
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,640
if you are. You have a husband who's not

965
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,960
white. Clearly, you have a son who is

966
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,040
clearly obviously not white. I just hope

967
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:52,880
you guys don't wait until this happens

968
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,559
to your own kids that you start taking

969
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:57,520
action. Please, you guys stand behind

970
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:58,960
these institutions and all this talk

971
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,359
about lawsuits and all this BS. What

972
00:50:01,359 --> 00:50:02,720
happened to those guys downtown? It

973
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:04,079
never had to get to a lawsuit. You guys

974
00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:05,520
should have told Jen Brown, "Hey, let's

975
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:06,880
just meet together and talk and we can

976
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,640
make this right." So, don't say just

977
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,079
because it's a lawsuit now you can't say

978
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:11,680
anything again. Don't wait till it

979
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,160
happens to you to say something and do

980
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,319
something. Um, Chuck, I don't have

981
00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:20,000
anything to say to you. Um, Eric Alman,

982
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,000
Jen Brown said that minorities come to

983
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,960
East Lancing to commit crimes.

984
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,520
The criminals I'm seeing actually also

985
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,440
came from outside of East Lancing.

986
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:30,800
Robert Belman doesn't live. He lives in

987
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,599
Sageno. I think Kel said like 85% of the

988
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:35,200
police officers are are from outside of

989
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,760
East Lancing. You're from Canada. you

990
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,160
came to United States to do the things

991
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,960
that you do when you retire from MSU and

992
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,559
you and and you decide to you and your

993
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:46,000
wife Kathy Swedllo and you guys decide

994
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,760
to retire, you're probably going to run

995
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,280
back to Canada and leave the mess for a

996
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:50,800
lot of people to clean up. That's not

997
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,040
cool at all. You have no kids here. You

998
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,480
have nothing that that's keeping you

999
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,240
here and making you want to do the right

1000
00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:57,440
thing. You're going to run back to

1001
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,760
Canada and that's it. You're gone. We

1002
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:00,880
don't need we don't hear from you

1003
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,440
anymore. You don't come here. You don't

1004
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,520
come to somebody else's country to do

1005
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,119
the things that you're doing. Again, I

1006
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:09,440
wonder who the criminals are here.

1007
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,920
Robert Bellman and you, Mark Meadows. My

1008
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,680
wife used to work for the city. She's

1009
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,079
had interactions with you before. And I

1010
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:20,319
was to say, you know, Carla, Mark seems

1011
00:51:20,319 --> 00:51:24,400
to me like like a decent guy. And

1012
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,559
I I keep having some sort of level of

1013
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:29,520
hope in you and Carrie Singh to do the

1014
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,520
right thing.

1015
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,200
I've been saying this for months. I've

1016
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:34,880
been asking you guys for months to do

1017
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,920
the right thing. Steve Wheelen, I my

1018
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:39,119
wife has had interaction with you as

1019
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:41,200
well as a police officer.

1020
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:42,880
I don't know much about you and that's

1021
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:44,640
why I've never said anything. I've never

1022
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,000
come up here and said anything bad about

1023
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,480
you because I don't know much about you.

1024
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,720
We need three people. I asked for one,

1025
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:52,160
but I realize one is not going to make a

1026
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:53,200
lot of change in terms of the stuff that

1027
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:54,319
we're trying to do in terms of policing

1028
00:51:54,319 --> 00:51:56,640
and just racial justice in East Lancing.

1029
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,960
I'm asking for three of you guys. Please

1030
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,359
do the right thing. Steve Wheelen, Mark

1031
00:52:01,359 --> 00:52:04,319
Meadows, Kerry Singh, please just again

1032
00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:06,559
I've been asking for months. Please do

1033
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:09,440
the right thing. Eric Alman, I shook

1034
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,760
your hand last week. Um, and I thought

1035
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,280
like after all these people gave public

1036
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,119
comments about like not limiting public

1037
00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:16,319
comment to three minutes that you would

1038
00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:18,480
do the right thing. And again, you just

1039
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,839
continue to disappoint. Um, yeah, that's

1040
00:52:21,839 --> 00:52:23,040
all I got to say. Y'all have a good

1041
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:23,839
night. All right.

1042
00:52:23,839 --> 00:52:26,646
>> Thank you, Amanda Morgan.

1043
00:52:26,646 --> 00:52:26,656
» Thank you, Amanda Morgan.

1044
00:52:26,656 --> 00:52:30,870
[applause]

1045
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,640
Hello. Thank you. I'm going to take a

1046
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,150
sip real quick.

1047
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:40,720
I am here today as a guest. Um, I stuck

1048
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:42,640
around this town because after I went to

1049
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,280
MSU and I really liked it. I I liked

1050
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:46,880
this culture and this community. I felt

1051
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,760
like we had a mix of people and and and

1052
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,359
a a middle class that was progressive.

1053
00:52:53,359 --> 00:52:56,720
I'm here today to kind of address one

1054
00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:59,599
simple thing. Bureaucracy

1055
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:04,400
versus community and leadership.

1056
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,040
You can't be a leader in bureaucracy.

1057
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,200
You're a rules and order people. We're

1058
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,520
seeing that here today. When you use

1059
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,599
rules and order to tell what the

1060
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:17,200
community what to do, you galvanize a

1061
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,400
movement. Congratulations.

1062
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,880
You've galvanized a movement.

1063
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,920
You know, the best way to um reduce

1064
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:30,559
public comment is to listen.

1065
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:32,880
You know, pepper spray is not a

1066
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:38,000
deescalation tool. A vigil is.

1067
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,319
And just because we have rule and order

1068
00:53:40,319 --> 00:53:43,280
that silos information up and down a

1069
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,440
chain of command,

1070
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,400
um there was no nothing that stopped you

1071
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,440
from holding a vigil.

1072
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,079
Mayor,

1073
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:56,160
people are here today because they're

1074
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,720
challenging you to grow,

1075
00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:01,119
to take the community as a whole, not

1076
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:04,400
just be a bureaucrat that um uh takes

1077
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,240
care of the people who put money in your

1078
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:08,480
pocket,

1079
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,880
not just take care of white culture and

1080
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,400
middle class and academia.

1081
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,319
I'm a white person telling on myself

1082
00:54:16,319 --> 00:54:19,440
because I care about you all.

1083
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:20,960
And you're kind of doing it wrong.

1084
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,559
You're do you're doubling down on power

1085
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:25,680
and control, not an act of listening in

1086
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,520
community.

1087
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,559
In June uh in February 2020, George

1088
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:34,880
Floyd lost his life to a police officer.

1089
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,880
In June 2020, I talked to my uh business

1090
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,800
that I work for that's public mental

1091
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,839
health and I said, "There's a problem

1092
00:54:43,839 --> 00:54:46,640
coming and I'm worried."

1093
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,599
And in that letter, I described exactly

1094
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:54,677
what I was afraid of.

1095
00:54:54,687 --> 00:54:56,480
[sighs]

1096
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,200
I didn't tell the bureaucrats in my

1097
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,440
business that stuff because I wanted to

1098
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,440
be a good old tushy. Good tush. I'm

1099
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,680
sorry. A good, you know what I mean? I

1100
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,000
told them because I cared about the

1101
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,319
people in the system that were doing the

1102
00:55:12,319 --> 00:55:14,880
jobs that things were coming and I was

1103
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:21,190
using my foresight to try to prepare us.

1104
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,079
I am here today to continue to advocate

1105
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:26,960
that you all strip off some cultural

1106
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,280
privilege that you received and the

1107
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,760
higher up you go with power the more

1108
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,839
people kiss your butt. and bureaucracy.

1109
00:55:35,839 --> 00:55:38,160
Praise goes uphill and [ __ ] rolls

1110
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,000
downhill. Excuse my language.

1111
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,800
I will speak to you today, Chuck. I see

1112
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:50,799
you. It took a lot of um acclimating to

1113
00:55:50,799 --> 00:55:54,000
white culture to be where you're at.

1114
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,640
Sometimes we have to completely shut off

1115
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,440
our our community and what it's going

1116
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,480
through to survive white culture. and

1117
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,720
your community today is just asking you

1118
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:07,839
to be brave enough to risk your

1119
00:56:07,839 --> 00:56:11,990
whiteness.

1120
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:17,040
Um, they will have your back if you call

1121
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,480
this BS out. Same for you. Your

1122
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,640
husband's a man of color. You're a white

1123
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,799
woman. And until you do the work, you

1124
00:56:24,799 --> 00:56:29,829
can be a racist, too.

1125
00:56:29,839 --> 00:56:32,960
Again, I go back to I stuck around this

1126
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,040
area and community because I really like

1127
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,680
this space and place and people. It's an

1128
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,720
intersection of of

1129
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:43,359
strength and power.

1130
00:56:43,359 --> 00:56:46,160
I'm really sad and I'm not surprised

1131
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,240
that white culture in MSU and East

1132
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:51,839
Lancing are doing the bureaucrat way.

1133
00:56:51,839 --> 00:56:54,559
Rule and order. And by the way, if this

1134
00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:57,760
is the advice of your city manager,

1135
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,760
he's really doing you wrong.

1136
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:02,950
>> You have 30 seconds.

1137
00:57:02,950 --> 00:57:02,960
» You have 30 seconds.

1138
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,150
>> Before the next meeting, I hope you all

1139
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:06,160
» Before the next meeting, I hope you all

1140
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,400
set up a vigil. People may not show up

1141
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,599
because they don't trust you or set up a

1142
00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:13,119
uh I don't know something. At this

1143
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:15,760
point, you got to step down and listen

1144
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:17,920
to people.

1145
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,400
I appreciate your time.

1146
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,390
>> Thank you. Uh, [applause]

1147
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:24,400
» Thank you. Uh, [applause]

1148
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:36,950
Yanka Marillo.

1149
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,599
Good evening. I am a concerned Lansancy

1150
00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:41,599
neighbor and a mother of a mixed Afro

1151
00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:44,559
Latino who's 5 years old. I used to live

1152
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:47,359
in East Lancing as well. I stand before

1153
00:57:47,359 --> 00:57:50,240
you tonight carrying grief, anger, and

1154
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,040
urgency after the killing of Isaiah, a

1155
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,920
young black community member that got

1156
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,880
shot by police. Too often, these moments

1157
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,400
are reduced to headlines, statistics,

1158
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,040
investigations, or public relations

1159
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:06,640
statements.

1160
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,760
Our community deserves better.

1161
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,160
We deserve transparency, accountability,

1162
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,200
and action, not silence, delay, or

1163
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:16,799
defensiveness.

1164
00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:19,520
We deserve systems that protect life

1165
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,240
while acknowledging race and not

1166
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:26,000
regardless of, but acknowledging race,

1167
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,119
neighborhood, age, or background.

1168
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:31,200
Acknowledge treatment differs based on

1169
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,520
race, ethnicity, and skin color. That's

1170
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,520
a good start.

1171
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,520
And we deserve leaders willing to

1172
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,599
confront the reality that black and

1173
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:41,520
brown community members continue to

1174
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,480
experience policing differently and more

1175
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,960
dangerously than others.

1176
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,760
Tonight, I ask the council to do more.

1177
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,240
Invest in community-based safety and

1178
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,880
crisis response strategies.

1179
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,280
Community-ledd. Let your community tell

1180
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:01,040
you they know the best way to do things

1181
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,440
for community by community. strengthen

1182
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,440
accountability measures and civilian

1183
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,559
oversight. Commit to ongoing dialogue

1184
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:11,440
with impacted families and communities,

1185
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,559
not only in moments of tra tragedy, but

1186
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:16,319
consistently.

1187
00:59:16,319 --> 00:59:19,599
This is not a conversation about anti-

1188
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:23,280
police or whatever we want to call it.

1189
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,160
This is a conversation about

1190
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:27,839
pro-accountability

1191
00:59:27,839 --> 00:59:32,640
and pro-humity. We've lost humanity.

1192
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,839
We're losing humans, literally.

1193
00:59:35,839 --> 00:59:40,319
For many black communities, um, black

1194
00:59:40,319 --> 00:59:42,720
community members, incidents like this

1195
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,040
reopen generations of pain and fear.

1196
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,920
Young people are watching closely.

1197
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,079
They are asking whether their lives are

1198
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:52,319
truly valued and whether those in power

1199
00:59:52,319 --> 00:59:54,960
will protect them or protect systems

1200
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:59,359
from scrutiny. Your response matters. We

1201
00:59:59,359 --> 01:00:01,599
cannot build trust without truth. We

1202
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:04,240
cannot build safety without justice. And

1203
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,040
we cannot ask communities to heal while

1204
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,280
avoiding the changes necessary to

1205
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,640
prevent future harm.

1206
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,631
>> Thank you, Abby Tiki.

1207
01:00:15,631 --> 01:00:15,641
» Thank you, Abby Tiki.

1208
01:00:15,641 --> 01:00:19,990
[applause]

1209
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,191
Right. I currently serve on the East

1210
01:00:22,191 --> 01:00:23,119
[clears throat] Lancing School Board,

1211
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:25,760
but my comments today are my own. Mayor

1212
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,400
Altman, I urge you to reject the idea

1213
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,319
that we should simply let the process

1214
01:00:30,319 --> 01:00:32,960
play out. Delay is not neutral. Delay

1215
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:34,960
has consequences. And you were not

1216
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,040
elected to observe problems. You were

1217
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,280
elected to respond to them. And I know

1218
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:40,880
you're capable of acting quickly when

1219
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,319
you choose to because when a drunk

1220
01:00:42,319 --> 01:00:43,920
driver destroyed my elderly white

1221
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:45,440
neighbor's mailbox, you were there to

1222
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,599
check in on her before I even made my

1223
01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:49,839
morning cup of coffee. So, I have to

1224
01:00:49,839 --> 01:00:52,720
ask, where is that same urgency now? Why

1225
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,720
does a mailbox seem to inspire faster

1226
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:56,240
action than the lives of young black

1227
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,217
men?

1228
01:00:58,217 --> 01:00:59,760
[applause]

1229
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,079
Waiting for another procedural step pro

1230
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:03,920
protects bureaucracy, but it does not

1231
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,319
protect public the public. Strong

1232
01:01:06,319 --> 01:01:08,319
leadership is politically inconvenient,

1233
01:01:08,319 --> 01:01:10,240
and I understand the attorneys and city

1234
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,079
manager do not want you to speak out or

1235
01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:14,079
take action, but you were not elected to

1236
01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:16,400
protect lawyers, procedure, or liability

1237
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,359
management. You were elected to make You

1238
01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:20,640
were not elected to make the city

1239
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,880
manager's job easier or give a failing

1240
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:24,960
chief of police endless opportunities to

1241
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,480
demonstrate that she understands the

1242
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,400
population she is serving and is capable

1243
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,960
of protecting them. Your job is to make

1244
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,079
sure they are doing their jobs. History

1245
01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:35,680
will not remember who followed

1246
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,200
procedure.

1247
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:38,880
I support the demands that will be put

1248
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,559
forward by the Citizens for Justice

1249
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:42,079
group later tonight and I ask that you

1250
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:45,119
act on them immediately. And I also

1251
01:01:45,119 --> 01:01:47,040
serve as chair of the Lancing Regional

1252
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,040
Smart Zone. And I am charged by the city

1253
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:50,640
of East Lancing to promote tech

1254
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,760
entrepreneurship and uh stem the flow of

1255
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,760
brain drain out of this area from MSU.

1256
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,680
And I can't do that with the reputation

1257
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,280
that we're building here in the city

1258
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,680
right now.

1259
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,640
I am also a crisis advocate for the MSU

1260
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,359
Center for Survivors. I believe

1261
01:02:07,359 --> 01:02:10,400
survivors. I was also once party to a

1262
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,240
lawsuit against a municipality for

1263
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:17,190
gender-based pay discrimination

1264
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,599
and I met you councelor council member

1265
01:02:19,599 --> 01:02:21,680
Singh at a gathering when you were

1266
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:25,119
campaigning at Moren McCabe P house and

1267
01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:28,000
I asked you what you were going to do

1268
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,200
when this exact thing happened because

1269
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,839
we knew it was going to and I think you

1270
01:02:33,839 --> 01:02:36,000
said something about allowing more

1271
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,400
opportunity for city employees to be

1272
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,000
able to air their grievances or

1273
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,440
something. And was not a great answer,

1274
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:42,880
but I thought that's okay. She's on the

1275
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:44,240
campaign trail. Probably nobody's asked

1276
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:45,839
her that yet. Hopefully, she'll think

1277
01:02:45,839 --> 01:02:49,760
about it now. Is that what this was? I

1278
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,599
know Miss Hernandez. She's a friend of

1279
01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:54,480
mine.

1280
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:58,160
Please, all of you do better.

1281
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:01,348
>> Thank you, Tashmika Toro.

1282
01:03:01,348 --> 01:03:01,358
» Thank you, Tashmika Toro.

1283
01:03:01,358 --> 01:03:04,950
[applause]

1284
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,720
» Hello. I am trying to gather myself

1285
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,520
because I also know Erica. She is a

1286
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,400
former employee of mine and I am so full

1287
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,520
of rage.

1288
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,359
I'm not sure that you are aware of what

1289
01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:21,119
just happened.

1290
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:23,839
Um I'm a survivor of child sexual abuse.

1291
01:03:23,839 --> 01:03:26,240
Um most of my body of work is related to

1292
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,640
sexual violence. Most of my body of work

1293
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,319
is related to stopping people from being

1294
01:03:30,319 --> 01:03:33,599
violent in intimate ways.

1295
01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:36,160
The patterns of violence that have to do

1296
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,000
with power and control are happening

1297
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,000
here.

1298
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,720
When survivors speak, you silence them.

1299
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,240
You shorten the time that they can

1300
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:47,680
speak. When people show up for them,

1301
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:51,200
you close off half the room.

1302
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,359
When they tell you you protect the city,

1303
01:03:53,359 --> 01:03:56,559
you do not protect the person. The only

1304
01:03:56,559 --> 01:03:59,119
reason for any of you to sit here and

1305
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:00,799
act like due process matters is because

1306
01:04:00,799 --> 01:04:02,640
you are protecting this [ __ ] city

1307
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,720
from when they win that lawsuit. Because

1308
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:08,480
then you will really be broke.

1309
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,029
>> The reason why you are okay with what

1310
01:04:11,029 --> 01:04:11,039
» The reason why you are okay with what

1311
01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:13,280
has happened to the black people in this

1312
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,680
community is because you are operating

1313
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,599
on power and control. You have allowed

1314
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:20,000
this city to operate on the same

1315
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,480
dynamics that allow sexual violence to

1316
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,880
happen in the first place. You are

1317
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,760
sitting in a dis right here with a

1318
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,400
perpetrator of sexual violence. You have

1319
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,880
enabled police violence against your

1320
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,680
against your own community that shows up

1321
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,000
every day and you act like you're being

1322
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,880
victimized by it. You act like this is

1323
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:42,079
the worst possible thing that could

1324
01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:43,200
happen that you have all these people

1325
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:44,880
you have to listen to. Do you know how

1326
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,920
much love and faith it requires for

1327
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,319
people with generational trauma to get

1328
01:04:50,319 --> 01:04:52,000
up and come here and talk to you every

1329
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,680
week as if our humanity is in question?

1330
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,280
There are people here who won't speak to

1331
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,440
you because their nervous systems can't

1332
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,520
handle it.

1333
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:05,144
>> And you should [ __ ] leave.

1334
01:05:05,144 --> 01:05:05,154
» And you should [ __ ] leave.

1335
01:05:05,154 --> 01:05:10,470
[applause]

1336
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,039
» We are not waiting for a process. If you

1337
01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:15,920
wanted to do something, you could. If

1338
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,640
you wanted to choose the people over the

1339
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:20,960
city's budget and a the risk of what a

1340
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,160
lawsuit means, you could. If you wanted

1341
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,880
to believe Erica when she came the first

1342
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:30,559
time, you [ __ ] could have done it.

1343
01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:33,599
You are victimizing this community by

1344
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:35,760
making us wait. And I hope you

1345
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,079
understand that. That you are in the

1346
01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:40,160
lineage of white supremacy that didn't

1347
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:41,680
allow black people to even move here in

1348
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,400
the first place. in 1968 when the HRC

1349
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,075
was created.

1350
01:05:47,075 --> 01:05:49,829
[applause]

1351
01:05:49,839 --> 01:05:52,000
» You ask us to come, you say we're

1352
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,799
listening and nothing happens. We ask

1353
01:05:54,799 --> 01:05:56,640
you questions, you say, "I don't know. I

1354
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,440
need your help."

1355
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,400
What more could we tell you? What more

1356
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,640
policy proposals could we bring you?

1357
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:08,160
What more statistics could we bring you?

1358
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:09,760
If you would like the info, if you'd

1359
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,000
like to, my name is Taj Miko. can find

1360
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:13,440
me. There is literally no one else with

1361
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:14,880
this name. But if you would like the

1362
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,720
information about how child sexual abuse

1363
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,720
and perpetration of violence and the

1364
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,720
dynamics come together to create exactly

1365
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:22,240
the [ __ ] dynamic we're experiencing

1366
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:25,280
right now, let me know.

1367
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:26,799
I have a digital archive that I would

1368
01:06:26,799 --> 01:06:31,200
love to send you. This is unacceptable.

1369
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,200
It is unacceptable that this is what you

1370
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:34,480
require of people who are being

1371
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:35,760
oppressed by the police in this

1372
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,839
community.

1373
01:06:37,839 --> 01:06:40,559
When you go back in that room and you

1374
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:42,079
talk,

1375
01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:43,760
you should not, first of all, be sharing

1376
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:45,119
the table with someone who sexually

1377
01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:47,039
harassed one of your one of your

1378
01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:49,359
employees.

1379
01:06:49,359 --> 01:06:52,069
>> First of all, second of all, you can do

1380
01:06:52,069 --> 01:06:52,079
» First of all, second of all, you can do

1381
01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:54,160
things now. You can fire Jen Brown

1382
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,160
today.

1383
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,470
>> You can fire this sexual predator right

1384
01:06:58,470 --> 01:06:58,480
» You can fire this sexual predator right

1385
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,839
now and you can offer a [ __ ] policy

1386
01:07:01,839 --> 01:07:03,359
that actually changes the way that the

1387
01:07:03,359 --> 01:07:04,880
police interact with people of color in

1388
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,359
this community because THEY ARE DYING.

1389
01:07:07,359 --> 01:07:10,799
BECAUSE A CHILD SAT ON THE FLOOR CUTTING

1390
01:07:10,799 --> 01:07:13,440
HIS OWN [ __ ] THROAT AND THEY SHOT him

1391
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,000
more than 10 times

1392
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,319
and we all watched it and you know just

1393
01:07:18,319 --> 01:07:20,240
like [ __ ] sexual violence and the

1394
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,720
Epstein files you all want to tell us

1395
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,280
what we saw like I don't have eyes in my

1396
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,839
head like this is not the first time or

1397
01:07:27,839 --> 01:07:29,119
like this is the first time we've ever

1398
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:32,240
seen police shoot black people

1399
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:35,039
there was no lunging there was a child a

1400
01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:37,440
human being who is hurting themselves

1401
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,799
And then they performed medical aid.

1402
01:07:40,799 --> 01:07:43,029
>> Hey bro, we want to help you.

1403
01:07:43,029 --> 01:07:43,039
» Hey bro, we want to help you.

1404
01:07:43,039 --> 01:07:45,349
>> Just put the knife down.

1405
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:45,359
» Just put the knife down.

1406
01:07:45,359 --> 01:07:47,990
>> Oh, get the chest seals. You don't even

1407
01:07:47,990 --> 01:07:48,000
» Oh, get the chest seals. You don't even

1408
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:51,920
roll them over. You zip tie his hands

1409
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:55,839
and leave him on the ground to die.

1410
01:07:55,839 --> 01:07:57,200
It is unacceptable. You should be

1411
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:58,960
ashamed of yourself. If you are not

1412
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,440
ashamed, then you should be embarrassed.

1413
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,559
It's disgusting.

1414
01:08:04,559 --> 01:08:09,202
>> Thank you. Max Millian Muckleberry.

1415
01:08:09,202 --> 01:08:09,212
» Thank you. Max Millian Muckleberry.

1416
01:08:09,212 --> 01:08:14,549
[applause]

1417
01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:20,992
Max Millian Muckleberry.

1418
01:08:21,002 --> 01:08:35,590
[clears throat]

1419
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,640
Hello. Uh, so I'm actually My name is

1420
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,359
Max Huckleberry. I'm from Lancing.

1421
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:44,159
And I did work all day, but then I drove

1422
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:45,920
myself here to do this because that's

1423
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:49,600
how much I care because I'm horrified.

1424
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,520
You know, like when people when I first

1425
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:52,880
heard about this happening, I was like,

1426
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:54,560
"Oh, no."

1427
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:57,359
Um, it didn't happen again, did it?

1428
01:08:57,359 --> 01:08:59,520
Right. I mean, you know, the thing that

1429
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,159
cops do where they like hurt people and

1430
01:09:02,159 --> 01:09:03,839
they didn't need to that they do all the

1431
01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:05,520
time. You know, this isn't even the

1432
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:07,839
first person in proximity to me through

1433
01:09:07,839 --> 01:09:09,440
community that has been killed by the

1434
01:09:09,440 --> 01:09:12,000
police this year that I know. Like, this

1435
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,480
is like crazy. This happened 10 minutes

1436
01:09:14,480 --> 01:09:17,359
from where I sleep at night.

1437
01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:20,480
It keeps me up, honestly. Like [snorts]

1438
01:09:20,480 --> 01:09:23,839
I like to usually try to take all the

1439
01:09:23,839 --> 01:09:26,400
information available to me before I try

1440
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:28,960
to write something to say at a council,

1441
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:30,640
but

1442
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,359
I could only watch one body cam angle

1443
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:35,120
one time

1444
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:38,159
because it was so terrible. I will never

1445
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:41,679
unsee that ever. I hoped if you watched

1446
01:09:41,679 --> 01:09:44,799
it, you will never forget it either

1447
01:09:44,799 --> 01:09:48,080
because what I saw was,

1448
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:49,279
you know, we don't know what happened

1449
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:51,520
before that, but you know, he's a

1450
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,520
suspect and obviously that's he

1451
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:54,880
shouldn't have done those things if he

1452
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:56,960
did. I don't think anyone's arguing

1453
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,920
about that. But it didn't even look like

1454
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:01,440
he was running at the police. He was

1455
01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:03,360
just running. He did something terrible

1456
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,679
and he was running away from it. That's

1457
01:10:05,679 --> 01:10:08,560
what it looked like. And then they shot

1458
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,239
him multiple times. He fell on the

1459
01:10:10,239 --> 01:10:12,159
ground, started hurting himself with his

1460
01:10:12,159 --> 01:10:17,110
own knife, and then they shot him more.

1461
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:22,950
How is that okay?

1462
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:27,040
Like, and then they use a riot shield to

1463
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,120
pin his hands down after shooting him

1464
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,679
over a dozen times

1465
01:10:31,679 --> 01:10:33,679
just to grab the knife and handcuff him

1466
01:10:33,679 --> 01:10:36,719
like he's still a threat somehow

1467
01:10:36,719 --> 01:10:40,790
>> as he's bleeding out.

1468
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,600
It's incontable.

1469
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,960
Those people should be fired. And

1470
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:48,880
honestly, if you ask me, I'm not I don't

1471
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:50,560
know much about the law, but like at

1472
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,800
least manslaughter charges. Like, oh my

1473
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:53,760
god.

1474
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:54,229
>> Yeah.

1475
01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:54,239
» Yeah.

1476
01:10:54,239 --> 01:10:56,149
>> Maybe they didn't mean to kill him, but

1477
01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:56,159
» Maybe they didn't mean to kill him, but

1478
01:10:56,159 --> 01:11:00,149
they [clears throat] did.

1479
01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:02,400
And just because someone commits a crime

1480
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,000
or may have committed a crime doesn't

1481
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,600
mean they should be murdered. Right.

1482
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:09,270
>> And if you don't all take a stand

1483
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:09,280
» And if you don't all take a stand

1484
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,440
against this, you will be complicit in

1485
01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:17,830
an execution without due process.

1486
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:19,120
» And I don't even know what's going on

1487
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:23,679
with this guy. It sounds really bad.

1488
01:11:23,679 --> 01:11:25,830
>> Uh Jennifer Brown should resign in

1489
01:11:25,830 --> 01:11:25,840
» Uh Jennifer Brown should resign in

1490
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:29,600
disgrace. I mean, I don't know how she's

1491
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:30,880
still here, how she got hired in the

1492
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:34,560
first place. On God.

1493
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:36,400
Um,

1494
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:37,920
yeah. But this, you know, this has been

1495
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,000
keeping me up at night and I I hope it

1496
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:44,149
keeps you guys up at night, too.

1497
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:57,145
Thank you, Virginia Caldwell.

1498
01:11:57,155 --> 01:12:03,694
[snorts]

1499
01:12:03,704 --> 01:12:13,270
» [clears throat]

1500
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,040
» So, um, this is the first time I'm

1501
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:16,640
coming to the council to speak and I'm

1502
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:17,920
just really hoping that we're all not

1503
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,480
wasting our time.

1504
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:23,199
I see a lot of poker faces

1505
01:12:23,199 --> 01:12:25,910
>> and I'm hoping that behind these poker

1506
01:12:25,910 --> 01:12:25,920
» and I'm hoping that behind these poker

1507
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:29,590
faces are hearts

1508
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:31,600
» that are receiving

1509
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:36,149
what a community is saying.

1510
01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:38,080
I understand that we can only do the

1511
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:39,520
best that we can with the information

1512
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:42,400
that we have at the time, but it seems

1513
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,840
like there's like a master's degree of

1514
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:57,350
information coming into you right now.

1515
01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:59,360
I can't imagine what it's like to be in

1516
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:01,600
your shoes,

1517
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:03,120
but I'd like to share with you what it's

1518
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:05,440
like to be in mine.

1519
01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:07,679
I have three children, two of them being

1520
01:13:07,679 --> 01:13:09,280
boys.

1521
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:12,480
We're Chicagoans. I came up here to MSU

1522
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:17,040
for college. We stayed. I stayed.

1523
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:20,159
24 of my 28 years as an adult have been

1524
01:13:20,159 --> 01:13:23,120
in East Lancing.

1525
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,040
The four years we were in Chicago when

1526
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:28,080
we had our two sons, Laquan McDonald in

1527
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:32,080
2014 was gunned down by the police.

1528
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:35,360
He had a knife in his hand. He was also

1529
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:38,159
going through mental health issues.

1530
01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:40,000
He walked away from the police officer

1531
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:41,520
that was demanding that he drop the

1532
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,040
knife.

1533
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:44,880
The police officer said that Laquan

1534
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:46,719
lunged at him.

1535
01:13:46,719 --> 01:13:49,520
and then unloaded his clip. He was shot

1536
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,400
17 times. I think it was only because of

1537
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:53,920
the body cam footage that we really

1538
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:56,400
found out the truth that he was just

1539
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,360
shot.

1540
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,320
After that happened, I decided we were

1541
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:05,040
moving back to East Lancing because I

1542
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:08,239
wanted to be in a small community.

1543
01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:11,440
I didn't want my children to have to

1544
01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:15,040
face the aggression

1545
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:19,110
that I saw happening.

1546
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,120
Here we are

1547
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:25,189
12 years later.

1548
01:14:25,199 --> 01:14:27,120
Do you know what it's like to be a mom

1549
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,679
and have to sit at the table and

1550
01:14:29,679 --> 01:14:33,679
rehearse what to do if they ever get

1551
01:14:33,679 --> 01:14:36,400
pulled over by a police for a traffic

1552
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:38,560
stop?

1553
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:40,960
Do you know how much time I've wasted?

1554
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:42,560
It's not a waste because I want my kids

1555
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:44,480
to come home.

1556
01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:46,400
I have to explain to them that you have

1557
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:50,320
to be calm so you don't trigger the cop.

1558
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:53,360
You have to remain calmer in this

1559
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:56,080
situation so they don't think you're

1560
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,320
aggressive. Because you know, cultural

1561
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:00,640
competency says that we all communicate

1562
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,800
differently.

1563
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:04,640
And so some cultures when they're

1564
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,159
passionate,

1565
01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:08,560
they speak louder, but that's

1566
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:13,750
interpreted as aggression.

1567
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:15,440
Have you had that conversation with your

1568
01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:17,520
kids?

1569
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:19,040
Have you sat at the dinner table and

1570
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:21,520
wasted time talking about how to engage

1571
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:25,920
with the police and not to over

1572
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:29,600
advocate for yourself so that you're not

1573
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,280
looked upon as a threat?

1574
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:39,270
right now. I'm passionate.

1575
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:42,239
I looked into how many non-lethal

1576
01:15:42,239 --> 01:15:43,920
options

1577
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,640
there were

1578
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:48,640
that could be used. And I know y'all got

1579
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:52,400
the budget for it cuz I pay taxes.

1580
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:54,709
>> As a homeowner in the community, I pay

1581
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:54,719
» As a homeowner in the community, I pay

1582
01:15:54,719 --> 01:15:59,440
taxes. And I am demanding change for my

1583
01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:01,600
pre-teens.

1584
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:06,149
who will be driving soon.

1585
01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:08,320
I don't need anyone

1586
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:11,679
not understanding how to deescalate.

1587
01:16:11,679 --> 01:16:14,480
There's CPI training. I've worked in

1588
01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:17,280
mental health. Maybe these young

1589
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:20,000
officers need to go to a behavioral

1590
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,560
health unit and understand what it looks

1591
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:24,400
like when someone is having a mental

1592
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:27,440
health crisis so that they can be better

1593
01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:29,920
on their feet to an analyze the

1594
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:31,520
situation.

1595
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:34,080
None of this is okay.

1596
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:35,840
And I guess I came here because I just

1597
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:37,679
wanted to make a comment. But then after

1598
01:16:37,679 --> 01:16:39,600
hearing the comments and looking at the

1599
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,000
responses, I'm asking where are the

1600
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:45,040
hearts in the room?

1601
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:47,360
30 seconds remaining. We're out of

1602
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:49,040
hearts.

1603
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:51,440
There doesn't need to be a wall here.

1604
01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:53,280
We're a community and we need to solve

1605
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:55,920
this. I don't care what any other city's

1606
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:57,920
doing. I don't care what any other state

1607
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:00,719
is doing. Change happens here because

1608
01:17:00,719 --> 01:17:04,080
people want change. Change can happen

1609
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:07,910
instantly.

1610
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,159
Instantly today, right now, change can

1611
01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:12,000
happen. We can make decisions, but walls

1612
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,080
have to come down and hearts need to

1613
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,560
come out and we need to see everyone

1614
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:18,880
else's struggle.

1615
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:20,400
Thank you for your comments. Your time

1616
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,040
has expired.

1617
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:41,830
Uh, Cadia Ericson.

1618
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:44,560
Hello everybody. Um, as you said, my

1619
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,600
name is Cadia Ericson and I hold many

1620
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,880
titles, but I'm coming to you today as

1621
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:54,640
just a citizen. Um,

1622
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:56,560
I've been thinking about what it is I

1623
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:59,440
would say. And um, as I'm listening to

1624
01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:02,640
everybody talk about Isaiah, it made me

1625
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:04,719
think a lot about the students I had

1626
01:18:04,719 --> 01:18:08,320
from MSU this year. um young minority

1627
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:12,960
students um undergraduates who were

1628
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:18,480
juniors and seniors. And um

1629
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:22,880
the day after Isaiah Kirby was murdered

1630
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:26,800
was a very quiet day in my office. The

1631
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,920
students who were normally laughing and

1632
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:33,679
so joyful and excited for life were very

1633
01:18:33,679 --> 01:18:35,360
quiet,

1634
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:39,440
very upset, very depressed. And as the

1635
01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:42,000
reporting came out and I listened to

1636
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:45,280
people describe Isaiah as intelligent

1637
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:48,800
and humorous, somebody who was gentle

1638
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:52,000
and kind, I thought of how that's

1639
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,360
exactly how I would describe my students

1640
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:57,199
that I get to spend so much precious

1641
01:18:57,199 --> 01:19:00,800
time with. And

1642
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:02,719
I watched

1643
01:19:02,719 --> 01:19:06,960
the murder of Isaiah too many times um

1644
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,120
because statements had to be written.

1645
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:13,760
And so I unfortunately had to continue

1646
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:16,320
watching and see all of the camera

1647
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:21,520
angles and watching his distress,

1648
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:24,400
hearing his distress as he brings a

1649
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:26,960
knife to his own throat. And then to see

1650
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:29,360
that the police officer's response is to

1651
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:34,080
shoot him at least three more times

1652
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:38,800
was a lot. Um I unfortunately in my very

1653
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:41,760
short life have witnessed a lot of black

1654
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:45,440
trauma, a lot of black bodies murdered

1655
01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:47,920
um at the hands of police. Unfortunately

1656
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:49,679
I have had to give comment like this

1657
01:19:49,679 --> 01:19:54,000
before. Maybe not necessarily here.

1658
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:55,520
Um,

1659
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,960
and I also think about how

1660
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:01,520
not too long ago and for several months

1661
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,640
in a row, every week that I could make

1662
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:07,840
it here, I was asking you to consider

1663
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,719
humanity just like all of they are for

1664
01:20:10,719 --> 01:20:13,120
the homeless in the community because

1665
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:15,679
for far too long you considered how you

1666
01:20:15,679 --> 01:20:17,600
could treat them as inhumanely as

1667
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:20,000
possible and get away with it.

1668
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:23,600
And those two things are connected.

1669
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,000
They very much are connected. Your

1670
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,080
willingness to be cruel to the

1671
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:31,280
vulnerable, if you can codify it in the

1672
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:34,400
law, is upsetting,

1673
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:37,920
very deeply upsetting. And then here we

1674
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,640
are in this situation which was

1675
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:42,560
predictable when you consider how

1676
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:45,520
welcome week went last year, how all of

1677
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:48,239
that unfolded, how it continues to

1678
01:20:48,239 --> 01:20:51,520
unfold and we are here today and now

1679
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:54,960
someone is dead.

1680
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:58,080
Isaiah was supposed to graduate this

1681
01:20:58,080 --> 01:20:59,679
year.

1682
01:20:59,679 --> 01:21:03,040
Isaiah had plans for what he would do

1683
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:05,440
after he left MSU. he wanted to go down

1684
01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:07,520
to Texas

1685
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:12,400
and continue his work with animals.

1686
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,679
And I think about how my students spent

1687
01:21:15,679 --> 01:21:19,440
the last academic year filling my brain

1688
01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:23,760
with fantasies about how they too would

1689
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:25,920
just as freely as they dream in my

1690
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:29,910
office

1691
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,560
get to live that out.

1692
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,679
And I can't help but just dwell on how

1693
01:21:35,679 --> 01:21:39,679
unbelievably cruel it is to think of

1694
01:21:39,679 --> 01:21:43,600
about how Isaiah freely dreamed about a

1695
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,000
future he wanted to build for himself

1696
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,320
and it was stolen

1697
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:51,360
likely by officers who are undertrained

1698
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:53,199
for the populations that they're dealing

1699
01:21:53,199 --> 01:21:56,639
with. Um,

1700
01:21:56,639 --> 01:22:00,080
I am once again encouraging you guys to

1701
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,400
make the right decision for your

1702
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:04,719
community. You know, I said something to

1703
01:22:04,719 --> 01:22:06,480
you guys several months ago about how

1704
01:22:06,480 --> 01:22:08,480
you cannot arrive at humanity and

1705
01:22:08,480 --> 01:22:10,480
dignity when you start in a place of

1706
01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:11,840
power and control.

1707
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:13,189
>> You have 30 seconds remaining.

1708
01:22:13,189 --> 01:22:13,199
» You have 30 seconds remaining.

1709
01:22:13,199 --> 01:22:15,350
>> And you've heard a lot about how you

1710
01:22:15,350 --> 01:22:15,360
» And you've heard a lot about how you

1711
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:18,159
need to step away from your urge to

1712
01:22:18,159 --> 01:22:20,239
engage with power and control a lot

1713
01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:22,639
tonight. And I suspect until you

1714
01:22:22,639 --> 01:22:24,560
actually make moves that are visible and

1715
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,159
tangible to the community, you will

1716
01:22:26,159 --> 01:22:29,840
continue to hear that. Um, you once

1717
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:31,760
again have the opportunity to do

1718
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:33,679
something different. Model real

1719
01:22:33,679 --> 01:22:35,840
accountability for the community and

1720
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:38,320
display real leadership by applying

1721
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:40,639
pressure you can to ensure MSP's

1722
01:22:40,639 --> 01:22:43,920
investigation is actually independent.

1723
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,390
>> Thank you for your comments.

1724
01:22:46,390 --> 01:22:46,400
» Thank you for your comments.

1725
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:48,960
Those were all the slips that I had. Is

1726
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,360
there anyone in the audience uh who has

1727
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:53,120
not yet spoken who would like to address

1728
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:57,040
the council please?

1729
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:58,480
If you could state your name for the

1730
01:22:58,480 --> 01:23:02,470
record, please.

1731
01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:07,189
» Yeah. My name is Rasha Thomas.

1732
01:23:07,199 --> 01:23:10,000
I'm going to remove my emotions and put

1733
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:13,120
aside the rage.

1734
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:15,679
My wife and I moved out in East Lancing.

1735
01:23:15,679 --> 01:23:17,760
Uh she graduated from Michigan State. I

1736
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:19,600
know the police are shady. I get pulled

1737
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,239
over like twice a night, twice a week,

1738
01:23:22,239 --> 01:23:24,639
visiting my fiance. Got one moving

1739
01:23:24,639 --> 01:23:26,320
violation in my whole life. I'm 51 years

1740
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:28,480
old. Pulled over way over 100 times

1741
01:23:28,480 --> 01:23:29,760
these slants. So, I know the deal. I

1742
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:31,600
know how to move. You know, it's it is

1743
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:33,840
what it is.

1744
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,480
We have two kids graduate from East

1745
01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:38,880
Lansancy High School doing phenomenal.

1746
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:40,159
My daughter just graduated from Eastern

1747
01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:42,320
Michigan. My son's on a full ride D1

1748
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:44,880
football scholarship down there. We are

1749
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:50,149
terrified when they come home to visit.

1750
01:23:50,159 --> 01:23:54,000
» Terrified. And I'm not a scary dude. I

1751
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,560
can't protect my kids if they want to go

1752
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:58,560
down to the strip where they went to all

1753
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:00,960
through high school. They want to just

1754
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:02,080
visit with their other friends on

1755
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:04,560
holidays, Thanksgiving, Christmas,

1756
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:06,159
because I don't know what the hell y'all

1757
01:24:06,159 --> 01:24:08,239
going to do.

1758
01:24:08,239 --> 01:24:09,830
>> We already know you don't have to do

1759
01:24:09,830 --> 01:24:09,840
» We already know you don't have to do

1760
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:11,760
nothing wrong.

1761
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:14,639
You can just be accused of something.

1762
01:24:14,639 --> 01:24:17,040
I'm not a big guy. I'm not small either.

1763
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,600
But my son is 6'5, 285, playing D1

1764
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,320
football. My daughter's a foot shorter

1765
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:24,639
than him. So if she drives her little

1766
01:24:24,639 --> 01:24:26,639
brother somewhere, he look the bum thug

1767
01:24:26,639 --> 01:24:28,159
dude, as y'all like to call us now,

1768
01:24:28,159 --> 01:24:30,880
thugs, that's got this girl and and all

1769
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:32,800
this stuff. Another someone said

1770
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,199
something about teaching your sons how

1771
01:24:35,199 --> 01:24:37,840
to act in the car. I'm like, "Son, just

1772
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,320
be still. You can reach the dashboard

1773
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:42,480
from where you're at,

1774
01:24:42,480 --> 01:24:44,400
daughter. Just do what you want. Roll

1775
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:46,719
all windows down. Hit the dome lights.

1776
01:24:46,719 --> 01:24:52,390
Do all of this. Why? So you don't die.

1777
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:53,679
» Sorry about that. I got a little

1778
01:24:53,679 --> 01:24:55,199
emotional.

1779
01:24:55,199 --> 01:24:58,568
>> Dig this. I hear a lot of stuff about um

1780
01:24:58,568 --> 01:24:58,578
» Dig this. I hear a lot of stuff about um

1781
01:24:58,578 --> 01:24:59,280
[clears throat]

1782
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:02,080
police training and whatnot.

1783
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:04,560
It's always an excuse as to why they did

1784
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:06,480
something wrong.

1785
01:25:06,480 --> 01:25:09,120
I think maybe trying to have a solution,

1786
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:11,360
not just being upset or angry. Get some

1787
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:13,643
better people.

1788
01:25:13,643 --> 01:25:16,470
[applause]

1789
01:25:16,480 --> 01:25:19,120
» Get some better people. It is a very

1790
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:21,920
strenuous job, a high stress job, a very

1791
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:25,040
important job, a very deadly job.

1792
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:28,950
>> Y'all got some bums out here being cops.

1793
01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:28,960
» Y'all got some bums out here being cops.

1794
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:33,110
>> Not all of them, but enough. Obviously,

1795
01:25:33,110 --> 01:25:33,120
» Not all of them, but enough. Obviously,

1796
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:36,159
if you are that damn scary when you have

1797
01:25:36,159 --> 01:25:39,040
to go into a situation, that's not the

1798
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:41,360
profession for you. Period.

1799
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:43,990
>> If you are not a good leader, you won't

1800
01:25:43,990 --> 01:25:44,000
» If you are not a good leader, you won't

1801
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,320
be a football coach. If you're not a

1802
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,960
good doctor or assessing doctor stuff,

1803
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,120
you won't be a doctor. Some jobs because

1804
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:53,040
you want it and you didn't excel at

1805
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:54,560
something else and they're hiring does

1806
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:58,000
not mean you need to get that job.

1807
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:00,320
That's what no shade to anybody, no

1808
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:03,040
emotion, not attacking anyone.

1809
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:05,199
UPS is hiring. The post office is always

1810
01:26:05,199 --> 01:26:07,199
hiring.

1811
01:26:07,199 --> 01:26:10,550
>> You cannot be an EMT and then run in to

1812
01:26:10,550 --> 01:26:10,560
» You cannot be an EMT and then run in to

1813
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:12,320
help somebody and save their life and be

1814
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:13,760
like, "Oh, they they mouth look nasty.

1815
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:15,600
I'm not I'm not getting close to them."

1816
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,000
It's your job. So if you got a pool of

1817
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,480
people that's not from this community,

1818
01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:23,760
come from God knows where to police or

1819
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:26,159
help this community and they're scared

1820
01:26:26,159 --> 01:26:28,560
of the community that when something

1821
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:30,480
like this happens and it is a high

1822
01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:33,199
stress level situation, it could be

1823
01:26:33,199 --> 01:26:35,679
dangerous. It was dangerous and your

1824
01:26:35,679 --> 01:26:37,120
first thing is to pull your gun be like,

1825
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,440
"Stop, please stop." Boom, bang, bang.

1826
01:26:39,440 --> 01:26:41,760
Come on now. You don't need that job.

1827
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,070
>> Period. You don't You just don't need

1828
01:26:44,070 --> 01:26:44,080
» Period. You don't You just don't need

1829
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:46,159
it. Find something else. If you're not a

1830
01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:48,159
leader, Jim Brown, get off.

1831
01:26:48,159 --> 01:26:49,110
>> Yeah.

1832
01:26:49,110 --> 01:26:49,120
» Yeah.

1833
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:52,149
>> Why do I'm not gonna assume that. It

1834
01:26:52,149 --> 01:26:52,159
» Why do I'm not gonna assume that. It

1835
01:26:52,159 --> 01:26:55,040
seems to me like a lot of people

1836
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:58,400
would like to try and defend something

1837
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:00,239
instead of having all the proof why it

1838
01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:02,719
should be removed, just not removing it.

1839
01:27:02,719 --> 01:27:03,600
We're going to keep it because we're

1840
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:05,520
going to make it right. I don't

1841
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:07,600
understand that.

1842
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,639
I always say no better, do better.

1843
01:27:10,639 --> 01:27:12,560
I'm really hoping that you guys have

1844
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:14,560
heard what everybody has to say, that

1845
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,560
you know better

1846
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:19,520
and you actually start doing better.

1847
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:23,350
>> I ain't taking no cheap shots at nobody,

1848
01:27:23,350 --> 01:27:23,360
» I ain't taking no cheap shots at nobody,

1849
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:25,120
but there's so much more that can be

1850
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,440
done. And I'll be damned. Y'all just be

1851
01:27:27,440 --> 01:27:30,000
like, whatever. Stonefaced all across

1852
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:32,159
here. No emotion.

1853
01:27:32,159 --> 01:27:33,679
You don't got to clap. You ain't got to

1854
01:27:33,679 --> 01:27:35,920
be special. Just listen and do better.

1855
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:37,669
>> Seconds remaining.

1856
01:27:37,669 --> 01:27:37,679
» Seconds remaining.

1857
01:27:37,679 --> 01:27:40,470
>> Thank you. Is there anyone else in the

1858
01:27:40,470 --> 01:27:40,480
» Thank you. Is there anyone else in the

1859
01:27:40,480 --> 01:27:43,040
audience who would like to speak,

1860
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:51,750
please?

1861
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:54,000
» Please state your name for the record.

1862
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:55,750
>> Good evening. My name is Neil Kunman.

1863
01:27:55,750 --> 01:27:55,760
» Good evening. My name is Neil Kunman.

1864
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:57,440
I'm a resident of East Lancing,

1865
01:27:57,440 --> 01:27:59,280
Michigan. And I apologize for not

1866
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:01,280
getting a card in. I just arrived in

1867
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:02,880
town.

1868
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,679
I'm imploring each of you. I know each

1869
01:28:05,679 --> 01:28:07,520
of you individually.

1870
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:10,080
I've worked with you. I have a

1871
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:12,639
tremendous respect for the abilities

1872
01:28:12,639 --> 01:28:17,679
that you have. I am imploring you

1873
01:28:17,679 --> 01:28:20,719
to listen to what is being said tonight

1874
01:28:20,719 --> 01:28:25,600
and to do far better than is being done.

1875
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:28,960
I too watched those tapes

1876
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,120
and I was

1877
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:33,679
saddened and angry

1878
01:28:33,679 --> 01:28:36,880
by the fact that our chief of police led

1879
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:38,960
me to believe

1880
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:42,239
that that young man was running at a

1881
01:28:42,239 --> 01:28:45,520
police officer with a knife and that's

1882
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:49,040
why guns were pulled.

1883
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:51,679
I'm not excusing what that young man

1884
01:28:51,679 --> 01:28:54,400
might have done before he was running

1885
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:56,639
down the street,

1886
01:28:56,639 --> 01:28:58,560
but he was running down the street.

1887
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:01,199
Anybody who watched those cameras knew

1888
01:29:01,199 --> 01:29:05,520
that he was not attacking

1889
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:07,520
anyone.

1890
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:11,280
And when he was brought down

1891
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:14,560
and told to put his hands behind his

1892
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:17,120
back when he had a number of bullets in

1893
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:20,320
his body already and probably was in a

1894
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:23,360
state of shock if not dying right there

1895
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:27,679
and then shot I don't remember if he was

1896
01:29:27,679 --> 01:29:29,600
shot again after that and I really don't

1897
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,800
care whether he was or not. I have been

1898
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,440
astounded. Those of you who know me

1899
01:29:35,440 --> 01:29:37,440
better than others know that I spent an

1900
01:29:37,440 --> 01:29:40,719
awful lot of my life professionally

1901
01:29:40,719 --> 01:29:44,239
working in and around state government.

1902
01:29:44,239 --> 01:29:46,880
And I have been so saddened by what is

1903
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:49,040
happening in our country and in our

1904
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:52,719
world by people who are in positions of

1905
01:29:52,719 --> 01:29:56,320
power and are not

1906
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:59,199
using their power

1907
01:29:59,199 --> 01:30:02,239
and their responsibilities to their

1908
01:30:02,239 --> 01:30:05,520
constituents to do what is right.

1909
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:09,040
And I believe that we have a

1910
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:10,560
responsibility

1911
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:12,719
as a community and I think as our

1912
01:30:12,719 --> 01:30:14,960
elected officials that responsibility

1913
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:19,120
lies with the five of you and we need to

1914
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:23,679
figure out how to make this change so

1915
01:30:23,679 --> 01:30:25,760
that we don't ever have this kind of

1916
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:28,159
situation again. And I don't know where

1917
01:30:28,159 --> 01:30:29,679
you're going to find police officers,

1918
01:30:29,679 --> 01:30:31,360
but when I heard that those police

1919
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:33,679
officers, one of them had at most three

1920
01:30:33,679 --> 01:30:36,239
years with our force, some of them were

1921
01:30:36,239 --> 01:30:38,960
there for a couple of months, and I

1922
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:41,520
didn't know that they were not, many of

1923
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,560
them members of our community.

1924
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:47,280
It's just way too easy to do what they

1925
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:50,480
did. And I understand it's not an easy

1926
01:30:50,480 --> 01:30:52,480
job. And I understand it's a stressful

1927
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:56,080
job, but there is

1928
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:59,920
unbelievable disdain for life

1929
01:30:59,920 --> 01:31:04,800
that causes one to pull a trigger

1930
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:07,189
>> on a young person

1931
01:31:07,189 --> 01:31:07,199
» on a young person

1932
01:31:07,199 --> 01:31:10,239
who was not attacking them

1933
01:31:10,239 --> 01:31:12,550
>> and who from the looks of the arms that

1934
01:31:12,550 --> 01:31:12,560
» and who from the looks of the arms that

1935
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:16,000
I could see on those cameras could have

1936
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,000
easily

1937
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:21,120
taken that young man down without having

1938
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:23,520
to shoot him, but after the first shot

1939
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:26,639
could probably have handled everything.

1940
01:31:26,639 --> 01:31:29,120
And I just implore you, first of all, I

1941
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:31,360
implore you

1942
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:33,600
to seriously consider getting rid of our

1943
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:35,440
chief of police,

1944
01:31:35,440 --> 01:31:38,790
>> a person who talks about

1945
01:31:38,790 --> 01:31:38,800
» a person who talks about

1946
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:42,320
minorities coming into our community

1947
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:44,639
to do criminal acts. When the It sounds

1948
01:31:44,639 --> 01:31:46,320
like the people who used to tell me when

1949
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:47,760
I was on the school board that the

1950
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:49,840
minority kids that come into our schools

1951
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:52,000
or who are causing the problems with our

1952
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:54,719
scores, that wasn't the case. That just

1953
01:31:54,719 --> 01:31:57,760
wasn't the case. And we hear that kind

1954
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:00,719
of rhetoric in our country all the time

1955
01:32:00,719 --> 01:32:03,760
now from the highest levels. And it's

1956
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:07,040
disgusting and it's disturbing.

1957
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:10,560
I believe in government. I believe in

1958
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:12,639
democracy and I believe in

1959
01:32:12,639 --> 01:32:14,320
accountability

1960
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:16,400
and I would like to say I believe in the

1961
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:20,320
five of you. I would like desperately to

1962
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:23,679
see you do what I believe is right.

1963
01:32:23,679 --> 01:32:25,679
Thank you. [applause]

1964
01:32:25,679 --> 01:32:27,910
>> Thank you. Is there anyone else who

1965
01:32:27,910 --> 01:32:27,920
» Thank you. Is there anyone else who

1966
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:31,280
would like to speak?

1967
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:32,790
>> Please state your name for the record.

1968
01:32:32,790 --> 01:32:32,800
» Please state your name for the record.

1969
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:36,310
>> Good evening. Kelly Ellsworth Etches.

1970
01:32:36,310 --> 01:32:36,320
» Good evening. Kelly Ellsworth Etches.

1971
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:39,280
I want to remind you of a fun

1972
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:42,000
fundamental promise that seems to be

1973
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:45,360
lost on the East Lancing Police.

1974
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:48,239
That fundamental promise located in the

1975
01:32:48,239 --> 01:32:51,679
14th amendment of the Constitution

1976
01:32:51,679 --> 01:32:55,199
called due process of law.

1977
01:32:55,199 --> 01:32:59,120
when state or local governmental bodies

1978
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:02,800
have the authority, the power to take

1979
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:06,880
life, liberty, or property.

1980
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:09,679
That's why it's there. So that there is

1981
01:33:09,679 --> 01:33:12,159
a due process.

1982
01:33:12,159 --> 01:33:15,679
Mr. Isaiah Kirby did not receive due

1983
01:33:15,679 --> 01:33:18,000
process.

1984
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:20,800
Your position comes with great

1985
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:22,960
responsibility.

1986
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:25,840
And here's your opportunity to write

1987
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:28,000
this wrong.

1988
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:34,714
Remove Jen Brown and Robert Bellman.

1989
01:33:34,724 --> 01:33:39,910
[applause]

1990
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:41,199
» Thank you. If you could state your name

1991
01:33:41,199 --> 01:33:42,239
for the record, please.

1992
01:33:42,239 --> 01:33:43,590
>> Good evening. My [clears throat] name is

1993
01:33:43,590 --> 01:33:43,600
» Good evening. My [clears throat] name is

1994
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:46,480
Farhan Omar. Uh, I wanted to discuss a

1995
01:33:46,480 --> 01:33:49,199
few things real quick. Um, this case is

1996
01:33:49,199 --> 01:33:50,480
not about the difference between

1997
01:33:50,480 --> 01:33:52,320
stopping a threat. This case is about

1998
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:54,239
the difference between stopping a threat

1999
01:33:54,239 --> 01:33:56,639
and continuing to use deadly force after

2000
01:33:56,639 --> 01:33:59,360
that threat no longer exists. For

2001
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:03,120
example, imagine an intruder that breaks

2002
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:05,840
into your home and steals your property.

2003
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:10,000
The law still places limits on what you

2004
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:12,480
are allowed to do. For example, you

2005
01:34:12,480 --> 01:34:15,440
cannot shoot a person in the back as

2006
01:34:15,440 --> 01:34:17,440
they flee. Even though they broke into

2007
01:34:17,440 --> 01:34:18,719
your home and they stole your property,

2008
01:34:18,719 --> 01:34:20,800
you cannot shoot them because they are

2009
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:23,520
no longer a threat. The justification

2010
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:27,440
for deadly force disappears.

2011
01:34:27,440 --> 01:34:29,840
The same principle applies here. The

2012
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:31,600
moment Mr. Kirby was struck by the

2013
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:33,840
initial rounds of gunfire, he no longer

2014
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:36,480
posed a threat to the officers.

2015
01:34:36,480 --> 01:34:39,679
We know this not from speculation,

2016
01:34:39,679 --> 01:34:42,320
but from one of the officers own words

2017
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:45,040
when they said, "Let's use less lethal

2018
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:46,639
force.

2019
01:34:46,639 --> 01:34:48,480
Those are not the words of someone

2020
01:34:48,480 --> 01:34:52,400
facing an immediate deadly threat.

2021
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:53,910
>> Those are the words of someone

2022
01:34:53,910 --> 01:34:53,920
» Those are the words of someone

2023
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:56,400
recognizing that that danger had already

2024
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:58,480
passed.

2025
01:34:58,480 --> 01:35:00,960
So there was no need to keep shooting

2026
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:03,040
that young man.

2027
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:05,040
He did not pose a threat to those

2028
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:08,560
officers or to the community any longer.

2029
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:10,880
With that being said, I want to directly

2030
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:14,719
address Mayor Alman.

2031
01:35:14,719 --> 01:35:18,239
Mr. Almond, you are gambling with black

2032
01:35:18,239 --> 01:35:20,480
people lives.

2033
01:35:20,480 --> 01:35:23,840
You are single-handedly gambling with

2034
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:26,080
black people lives.

2035
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:28,480
You pose a colossal danger to this

2036
01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:31,040
community, to the black community. You

2037
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:32,800
pose a bigger threat to the black

2038
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:36,320
community than the chief.

2039
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:37,679
Some of the things that you put on this

2040
01:35:37,679 --> 01:35:39,920
agenda.

2041
01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:41,040
Some of the things that you put on this

2042
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:43,280
agenda, whether it's intentional or not,

2043
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:45,199
it is harming this community, the black

2044
01:35:45,199 --> 01:35:47,440
community, limiting how long we can

2045
01:35:47,440 --> 01:35:51,600
speak. Sergeants in arms in this place.

2046
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:54,800
Really? How many times have we all

2047
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:57,280
witnessed after a Michigan State versus

2048
01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:00,000
Michigan game, a bunch of white kids

2049
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:03,120
setting couches on fire in this city?

2050
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:04,790
>> How many times have we seen white kids

2051
01:36:04,790 --> 01:36:04,800
» How many times have we seen white kids

2052
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:07,920
climbing poles in this city?

2053
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:10,080
How many times have we seen black kids

2054
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:12,960
setting tire white kids setting tires on

2055
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:16,080
fire in this city? I've never heard a a

2056
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:20,400
chief described them as a problem to

2057
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:22,239
this community.

2058
01:36:22,239 --> 01:36:25,040
I've never seen a mayor try to limit the

2059
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:26,800
voices of white people when they pack

2060
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:28,719
this room.

2061
01:36:28,719 --> 01:36:32,480
I've never seen or heard Sergeants and

2062
01:36:32,480 --> 01:36:37,750
Arm being recommended.

2063
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:39,679
When I look at you, Mr. Almond, you

2064
01:36:39,679 --> 01:36:42,320
remind me of the governors back in the

2065
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:45,360
day and the mayors back in the day that

2066
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:47,360
that used to use the National Guard

2067
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:50,870
against MLK.

2068
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:53,280
They use they used to use the police

2069
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:56,239
force,

2070
01:36:56,239 --> 01:37:00,159
the dogs, the water hose.

2071
01:37:00,159 --> 01:37:02,639
It's 2026.

2072
01:37:02,639 --> 01:37:04,560
We see it.

2073
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:07,679
We notice it.

2074
01:37:07,679 --> 01:37:11,520
Stop it. We've been coming here for

2075
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:14,000
months, for weeks, telling you guys a

2076
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:15,920
black kid is going to die in this city

2077
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:18,480
if y'all don't stop.

2078
01:37:18,480 --> 01:37:20,560
I've come out here. The black community,

2079
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:21,520
black leaders have come out here. The

2080
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:24,320
NAACP have come out come out here. It

2081
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:26,560
wasn't enough.

2082
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:28,800
And then guess what? Another black

2083
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:30,800
person is going to die in the city.

2084
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:32,719
Unfortunately,

2085
01:37:32,719 --> 01:37:34,080
and then what? What is going to be a

2086
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:36,960
response?

2087
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:39,119
This is the same body that has made it

2088
01:37:39,119 --> 01:37:42,400
impossible for Dana Watson to to do her

2089
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:44,480
job as a council member.

2090
01:37:44,480 --> 01:37:48,550
>> You guys ran her out of counsel.

2091
01:37:48,550 --> 01:37:48,560
» You guys ran her out of counsel.

2092
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:51,199
It is you guys.

2093
01:37:51,199 --> 01:37:54,400
It is you Wheeling. It is you Mark

2094
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:56,080
Meadows. It is you Almond. And is you

2095
01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:58,320
miss Singh that keep passing every

2096
01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:01,600
single harmful law or ordinance in this

2097
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:04,560
city.

2098
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:07,119
It is y'all

2099
01:38:07,119 --> 01:38:09,119
and it's also the city manager which

2100
01:38:09,119 --> 01:38:11,679
which responds to you guys. You guys are

2101
01:38:11,679 --> 01:38:14,320
their boss or his boss. So therefore,

2102
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:16,560
the blame comes to you guys.

2103
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:18,159
I'm so sick and tired of the excuses.

2104
01:38:18,159 --> 01:38:20,080
I'm so sick and tired of these everybody

2105
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:22,080
just looking at us in disgust as if

2106
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:25,199
we're the problem. Really? Have you ever

2107
01:38:25,199 --> 01:38:28,320
been pulled over by a cop? Do Do you get

2108
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:29,440
scared when you get pulled over by a

2109
01:38:29,440 --> 01:38:32,320
cop? I do. And my record is just as

2110
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:34,560
clean as yours, Mr. Hallman. I have full

2111
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:37,280
insurance just like you, but I still get

2112
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:40,000
scared. Not because I'm a criminal, but

2113
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:42,000
because I'm black.

2114
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:44,400
You should be ashamed of yourself.

2115
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:46,870
>> Thank you. Is there anyone else who

2116
01:38:46,870 --> 01:38:46,880
» Thank you. Is there anyone else who

2117
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:52,310
would like to address the council?

2118
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:55,280
Le June I was not planning to speak but

2119
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:56,880
there's been a group of people meeting

2120
01:38:56,880 --> 01:39:00,080
in the community and they formed a

2121
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:04,320
coalition called Citizen for Justice

2122
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:08,000
and we've kind of tried to concretize

2123
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:09,520
all of the things that you've been

2124
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:12,639
hearing here tonight in terms of eight

2125
01:39:12,639 --> 01:39:14,560
demands

2126
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:17,360
and that we hope to follow through and

2127
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:21,830
work with you in bringing about

2128
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:24,639
We come in the spirit of Amos who said,

2129
01:39:24,639 --> 01:39:27,840
"Let justice roll down like waters."

2130
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:30,800
Micah, who said, "I will tell thee, oh

2131
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:33,520
mortal, what is right, and what does God

2132
01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:37,119
require of you, but to do justice, love

2133
01:39:37,119 --> 01:39:40,960
mercy, and walk humbly with God."

2134
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:42,480
So,

2135
01:39:42,480 --> 01:39:45,040
our first demand

2136
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:46,960
is for the immediate removal of the

2137
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:49,840
police chief, Jen Brown, through

2138
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:52,719
termination or resignation. We've talked

2139
01:39:52,719 --> 01:39:54,639
to some of you and you indicate to us

2140
01:39:54,639 --> 01:39:58,480
that the city council does not hire. So,

2141
01:39:58,480 --> 01:40:01,119
our second demand is going to ask for a

2142
01:40:01,119 --> 01:40:04,960
meeting with Mr. Bellman so we can talk

2143
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:07,280
about things within your jurisdiction.

2144
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:11,679
and we request a meeting before May 29th

2145
01:40:11,679 --> 01:40:14,400
to talk about a series of things. Now,

2146
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:16,800
let me go back to

2147
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:18,880
the number one request which we are

2148
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:21,920
making and you've heard that in detail.

2149
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:25,199
In my experience, when someone

2150
01:40:25,199 --> 01:40:28,000
is leading an organization and multiple

2151
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:31,440
things happen, at minimum, you generally

2152
01:40:31,440 --> 01:40:34,239
remove that person

2153
01:40:34,239 --> 01:40:36,320
even if you're doing an investigation.

2154
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:39,280
And we're kind of puzzled why she has

2155
01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:42,080
not at least been temporarily, but we're

2156
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:44,400
requesting her removal. And we do that.

2157
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:46,320
She might be a nice person, but that's

2158
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:48,960
not the issue. She has lost her

2159
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:50,560
credibility.

2160
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:52,950
>> And when one lose their credibility,

2161
01:40:52,950 --> 01:40:52,960
» And when one lose their credibility,

2162
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:55,840
they're ineffective as a leader.

2163
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:58,480
The other five demands, and my T clock

2164
01:40:58,480 --> 01:41:02,800
is ticking, is we want a

2165
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:05,440
police policy rewritten with the East

2166
01:41:05,440 --> 01:41:07,520
Lancing Independent Police Oversight

2167
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:09,840
Committee that requires extensive

2168
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:12,639
anti-racism training for all East

2169
01:41:12,639 --> 01:41:14,719
Lancing employees, approved by the

2170
01:41:14,719 --> 01:41:16,880
director of diversity, equity, and

2171
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:18,560
inclusion.

2172
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:20,480
We want

2173
01:41:20,480 --> 01:41:23,199
uh a police policy regarding

2174
01:41:23,199 --> 01:41:24,880
deescalation.

2175
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:28,000
And would you bring those sheets up? I

2176
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:29,600
don't have time to go through them in

2177
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:31,360
all details.

2178
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:33,430
>> We want to restore full funding for

2179
01:41:33,430 --> 01:41:33,440
» We want to restore full funding for

2180
01:41:33,440 --> 01:41:35,840
Ellipot and HRC.

2181
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:39,520
Require input from Ellip and HRC on

2182
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:42,320
various things. And I don't have time to

2183
01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:44,560
go through all of them, but what we're

2184
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:46,960
going to do as a coalition is to

2185
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:50,800
continue to monitor these and ask you to

2186
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:55,440
act upon them in a reasonable time.

2187
01:41:55,440 --> 01:41:57,119
So

2188
01:41:57,119 --> 01:42:00,080
you've heard those demands

2189
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:02,719
and we think they are reasonable. Now,

2190
01:42:02,719 --> 01:42:06,080
we also have empathy for Mr. Mock. We

2191
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:08,880
want people to know that we wish his

2192
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:12,719
continued speedy recovery, but this act

2193
01:42:12,719 --> 01:42:15,920
and his act are two separate ones. And I

2194
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:18,320
we appreciate uh two things that I know

2195
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:22,159
this happened. Um it's my understanding

2196
01:42:22,159 --> 01:42:25,520
that the mayor and the city manager did

2197
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:27,760
speak to

2198
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:30,239
Mrs. Kirby. And if that's true, we

2199
01:42:30,239 --> 01:42:32,320
appreciate it. And we appreciate you,

2200
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:35,199
Mr. Grisby in terms of having your

2201
01:42:35,199 --> 01:42:38,000
session yesterday, but we need to move

2202
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:40,960
forward on these kinds of things. I

2203
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:43,119
watched the videotape

2204
01:42:43,119 --> 01:42:46,000
and I

2205
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:49,440
debated whether to say this, but

2206
01:42:49,440 --> 01:42:53,600
I came away and one word struck me and

2207
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:56,560
that word was slaughtered.

2208
01:42:56,560 --> 01:42:58,239
And I looked up the definition of

2209
01:42:58,239 --> 01:43:01,119
slaughtered. And slaughter mean to kill

2210
01:43:01,119 --> 01:43:04,000
in a brutal, violent or indiscriminate

2211
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:06,960
manner. It is most commonly referred to

2212
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:10,239
butchering livestock for food or mass

2213
01:43:10,239 --> 01:43:14,000
killing of humans in war. And I walked

2214
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:17,520
away feeling that this young man was

2215
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:21,119
butchered and slaughtered. So we are

2216
01:43:21,119 --> 01:43:23,199
disappointed in what happened. Dr. King,

2217
01:43:23,199 --> 01:43:25,040
you talk about him. You know, I heard

2218
01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:27,199
him speak in person a couple times,

2219
01:43:27,199 --> 01:43:27,669
>> 30 seconds,

2220
01:43:27,669 --> 01:43:27,679
» 30 seconds,

2221
01:43:27,679 --> 01:43:29,510
>> but King said there can be no great

2222
01:43:29,510 --> 01:43:29,520
» but King said there can be no great

2223
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:32,320
disappointment where there's no love.

2224
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:34,560
And so, we come in love. We want to work

2225
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:36,159
with you. We've talked to some of you

2226
01:43:36,159 --> 01:43:38,639
and we'll continue to do that. And we

2227
01:43:38,639 --> 01:43:41,280
love this community and we want to work

2228
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:44,239
together with you to make this happen.

2229
01:43:44,239 --> 01:43:47,040
And King, I'll stop with this. He often

2230
01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:49,840
told us as young people in Alabama, he

2231
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:51,920
said, "How long?"

2232
01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:53,520
Then he would always tell us, "Not

2233
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:56,159
long." And then he would remind us, I I

2234
01:43:56,159 --> 01:43:57,920
know my time is up. I got 10 more

2235
01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:00,480
seconds. He would say, "How long? Not

2236
01:44:00,480 --> 01:44:04,560
long. Because no lie can live forever."

2237
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:06,790
>> How long? Not long. Because true

2238
01:44:06,790 --> 01:44:06,800
» How long? Not long. Because true

2239
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:10,320
structure earth will rise again. How

2240
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:12,960
long? Not long.

2241
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:15,280
Because the ark of the moral universe is

2242
01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:17,040
long,

2243
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:18,880
but it bends toward justice.

2244
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:19,669
>> Thank you. Thank you.

2245
01:44:19,669 --> 01:44:19,679
» Thank you. Thank you.

2246
01:44:19,679 --> 01:44:21,750
>> And I can predict tonight. I'm sitting

2247
01:44:21,750 --> 01:44:21,760
» And I can predict tonight. I'm sitting

2248
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:24,320
is that eventually Miss Brown will be

2249
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:25,920
let go since your time has expired

2250
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:27,669
>> and we're just curious why it's taken so

2251
01:44:27,669 --> 01:44:27,679
» and we're just curious why it's taken so

2252
01:44:27,679 --> 01:44:28,400
long.

2253
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:30,470
>> Is there anyone else who would like to

2254
01:44:30,470 --> 01:44:30,480
» Is there anyone else who would like to

2255
01:44:30,480 --> 01:44:35,109
speak to the council? [applause]

2256
01:44:35,119 --> 01:44:36,719
» Good evening. My name is Jacqueline

2257
01:44:36,719 --> 01:44:40,239
Humphrey and I'm a resident of Lancing.

2258
01:44:40,239 --> 01:44:42,560
And I didn't come tonight to speak, but

2259
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:44,800
this situation reminded me so much of

2260
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:46,800
Patrick Leola

2261
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:49,199
who died at the hands of a police

2262
01:44:49,199 --> 01:44:52,560
officer in Grand Rapids. And I happen to

2263
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:54,560
know the family personally because my

2264
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:56,480
husband and I started an outreach

2265
01:44:56,480 --> 01:44:58,639
ministry with the resettle of refugees

2266
01:44:58,639 --> 01:45:02,320
back in n uh 2005.

2267
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:04,880
And this young man was only stopped. He

2268
01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:07,360
was stopped because the of the license

2269
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:10,960
plate on the car and Patrick ran. The

2270
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:13,760
policeman tried to tase him, he grabbed

2271
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:17,040
the taser. The policeman then ran after

2272
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:20,000
him. And as he hel held him down the

2273
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:22,159
ground and handcuffed him, he was on his

2274
01:45:22,159 --> 01:45:24,239
stomach. The police shot him in the

2275
01:45:24,239 --> 01:45:25,920
head.

2276
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:28,960
And there was no justice for him because

2277
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:31,760
there's an all-white jury who were hung

2278
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:34,639
and the police officer did not spend a

2279
01:45:34,639 --> 01:45:38,080
day. He's not going to spend any time. I

2280
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:40,320
hope there's justice. I hope there's

2281
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:43,040
justice for Isaiah and the police

2282
01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:45,760
officer regardless of whatever whatever

2283
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:48,400
you they come up with that he should

2284
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:50,639
definitely spend the rest of his life in

2285
01:45:50,639 --> 01:45:52,560
prison. I'm sorry. That's just how I

2286
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:56,400
feel. But it's so sad because we have a

2287
01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:59,760
son and for years we told him if a

2288
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:02,719
police officer stops you get to a light

2289
01:46:02,719 --> 01:46:05,520
a very well-lit area a gas station and

2290
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:08,639
call us. We want to be there because

2291
01:46:08,639 --> 01:46:10,320
there's people that don't believe

2292
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:14,080
profiling is real. It's extremely real.

2293
01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:16,719
And our daughters when they graduated

2294
01:46:16,719 --> 01:46:19,119
from high school wanted nothing to do

2295
01:46:19,119 --> 01:46:21,119
with Michigan State. They did not want

2296
01:46:21,119 --> 01:46:23,679
to go to a white university and they

2297
01:46:23,679 --> 01:46:27,600
chose to go to H.B.CU where they care

2298
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:30,320
about them and they graduated and said

2299
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:31,760
that was the best experience they could

2300
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:34,000
have had. But they did not want to come

2301
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:36,000
here because I was an employee at the

2302
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:37,280
time and they could have gotten their

2303
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:40,719
tuition half but for they did not want

2304
01:46:40,719 --> 01:46:42,480
to come and we certainly didn't force

2305
01:46:42,480 --> 01:46:45,760
them. And so there is the issue here.

2306
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:48,880
And you know I I as others have said the

2307
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:51,214
faces and as you're looking

2308
01:46:51,214 --> 01:46:52,560
[sighs and gasps]

2309
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:54,400
I hope you have the heart that your

2310
01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:56,453
hearts are not so hardened

2311
01:46:56,453 --> 01:46:58,080
[clears throat] that you can see that

2312
01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:01,119
there is a serious problem here. And I

2313
01:47:01,119 --> 01:47:04,159
just want to say as an associate pastor

2314
01:47:04,159 --> 01:47:06,639
if you don't do the right thing God will

2315
01:47:06,639 --> 01:47:08,239
fix this.

2316
01:47:08,239 --> 01:47:10,070
>> God is going to take care of all of

2317
01:47:10,070 --> 01:47:10,080
» God is going to take care of all of

2318
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:12,719
this. And so if you can't come to a

2319
01:47:12,719 --> 01:47:15,679
decision, he's going to take care of our

2320
01:47:15,679 --> 01:47:16,880
president. He's going to take care of

2321
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:18,480
this country. And he's going to take

2322
01:47:18,480 --> 01:47:21,280
care of each and every one of you. So I

2323
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:25,440
just I just you all to please think

2324
01:47:25,440 --> 01:47:27,119
about what you're doing here, the people

2325
01:47:27,119 --> 01:47:30,400
who are affected, and the fact that

2326
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:34,080
Isaiah, no person needs to have 17

2327
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:37,520
bullets in their body. Only one could

2328
01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:40,639
kill a person. How many times?

2329
01:47:40,639 --> 01:47:42,080
And whatever was going on with the

2330
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:44,960
police officer, it didn't take all that.

2331
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:49,679
It didn't take 17 bullets.

2332
01:47:49,679 --> 01:47:52,320
So Patrick being shot in the head is no

2333
01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:54,639
different from him. And I know for a

2334
01:47:54,639 --> 01:47:57,119
fact that Patrick was scared. He ran

2335
01:47:57,119 --> 01:47:59,840
because he was scared. And all they

2336
01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:03,040
really had to do is put handcuffs

2337
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:05,840
handcuffs on him and take him to jail.

2338
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:08,239
But they didn't.

2339
01:48:08,239 --> 01:48:11,679
They shot him in the back of the head.

2340
01:48:11,679 --> 01:48:14,719
So that's what we call justice in the

2341
01:48:14,719 --> 01:48:17,280
United States. And it's a sad state that

2342
01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:19,600
we're in. It's really, really sad. And

2343
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:23,760
it hurts my heart. And I thank Teresa

2344
01:48:23,760 --> 01:48:25,600
uh who's the attorney for the family

2345
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:28,000
because I know she's going to work hard

2346
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:30,639
with the family and will seek justice.

2347
01:48:30,639 --> 01:48:33,440
And I just hope that there is justice

2348
01:48:33,440 --> 01:48:35,760
for Isaiah, but more so there's justice

2349
01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:38,635
for the people of East Lancing.

2350
01:48:38,635 --> 01:48:39,119
[applause]

2351
01:48:39,119 --> 01:48:41,430
>> Thank you. Is there anyone else who

2352
01:48:41,430 --> 01:48:41,440
» Thank you. Is there anyone else who

2353
01:48:41,440 --> 01:48:46,709
would like to speak?

2354
01:48:46,719 --> 01:48:50,000
» Hi. Uh my name is Marissa Gaines. I

2355
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:52,000
never been to a city council meeting

2356
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:55,360
before. Um it's been very entertaining.

2357
01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:57,760
I also didn't plan to get up and speak

2358
01:48:57,760 --> 01:48:59,760
today. I

2359
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:01,840
what everyone has said has been very

2360
01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:04,880
enlightening. Um I didn't watch the

2361
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:06,400
video of Isaiah because I didn't think

2362
01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:09,199
I'd be able to handle it. I grew up with

2363
01:49:09,199 --> 01:49:12,880
him. We grew up in Baltimore City.

2364
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:16,320
We grew up in Baltimore City.

2365
01:49:16,320 --> 01:49:19,679
The crime there is unbelievable.

2366
01:49:19,679 --> 01:49:24,159
And we both were at Michigan State. And

2367
01:49:24,159 --> 01:49:25,760
a lot of the times when a person from

2368
01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:27,840
Baltimore City gets out of Baltimore

2369
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:30,400
City, we say that we made it because we

2370
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:32,719
made it out of Baltimore City. Nothing

2371
01:49:32,719 --> 01:49:35,600
happened to us. We ran track. We were

2372
01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:38,639
close. We were family. We made it out of

2373
01:49:38,639 --> 01:49:40,880
Baltimore City.

2374
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:42,480
The fact that he couldn't make it here

2375
01:49:42,480 --> 01:49:45,840
in East Lancing is that's not okay. It's

2376
01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:47,679
it's a really difficult thing. And and

2377
01:49:47,679 --> 01:49:50,159
when we found out that Isaiah passed

2378
01:49:50,159 --> 01:49:53,520
away in East Lancing, but he made it out

2379
01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:56,159
of Baltimore City,

2380
01:49:56,159 --> 01:49:58,719
it's not okay. I I don't have that much

2381
01:49:58,719 --> 01:50:00,880
to say other than that. We're We were

2382
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:03,040
just two kids from Baltimore City in

2383
01:50:03,040 --> 01:50:04,960
college trying to get our education. We

2384
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:06,480
thought that we made it. That was our I

2385
01:50:06,480 --> 01:50:08,960
made it moment. He was headed to Texas.

2386
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:10,719
He was going to get a good job. He was

2387
01:50:10,719 --> 01:50:12,239
excited.

2388
01:50:12,239 --> 01:50:14,639
I I didn't watch the video. I know very

2389
01:50:14,639 --> 01:50:16,639
limited information. I just know that we

2390
01:50:16,639 --> 01:50:18,639
are two kids from Baltimore City who

2391
01:50:18,639 --> 01:50:21,199
made it and then he didn't. And and

2392
01:50:21,199 --> 01:50:22,960
we're just calling for justice. That's

2393
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:25,360
that's all I have to say. Thank you.

2394
01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:28,229
>> Thank you. Is there anyone else who

2395
01:50:28,229 --> 01:50:28,239
» Thank you. Is there anyone else who

2396
01:50:28,239 --> 01:50:32,550
would like to speak?

2397
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:34,560
» Please state your name for the record.

2398
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:37,270
>> Uh my name is Antonio Gomez. To the

2399
01:50:37,270 --> 01:50:37,280
» Uh my name is Antonio Gomez. To the

2400
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:39,520
crowd, I'm apologize. I'm pretty

2401
01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:42,480
emotional right now, so [snorts] not

2402
01:50:42,480 --> 01:50:46,320
really sure what I'm going to say, but

2403
01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:48,080
I watched a video like a lot of people

2404
01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:49,840
did.

2405
01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:51,600
Um,

2406
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:53,679
it's clear there's a severe lack of

2407
01:50:53,679 --> 01:50:56,159
training within our police department

2408
01:50:56,159 --> 01:50:59,280
that they would put themselves

2409
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:01,520
in danger

2410
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:03,440
and use an excuse of deadly force

2411
01:51:03,440 --> 01:51:07,199
because they put themselves in danger.

2412
01:51:07,199 --> 01:51:11,030
And

2413
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:13,760
it just makes me mad that you were given

2414
01:51:13,760 --> 01:51:15,280
the recommendation that this police

2415
01:51:15,280 --> 01:51:20,000
chief was not a good fit for this city.

2416
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:23,840
Um, and

2417
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:26,400
you are putting the city in danger. You

2418
01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:28,880
are putting us in danger by having a

2419
01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:32,159
police chief that obviously is not doing

2420
01:51:32,159 --> 01:51:35,199
her job correctly with unqualified

2421
01:51:35,199 --> 01:51:38,880
officers that put us all at risk

2422
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:44,239
for any small thing that could happen.

2423
01:51:44,239 --> 01:51:46,320
And

2424
01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:48,400
I, you know, I'm not really sure you're

2425
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:51,679
listening to us. Like I I've only just

2426
01:51:51,679 --> 01:51:53,840
started talking recently, but I know

2427
01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:56,000
others have been here time and time and

2428
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:58,159
time again, and it just looks like

2429
01:51:58,159 --> 01:52:05,030
nothing's getting through to any of you.

2430
01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:07,840
I guess the these next remarks go to the

2431
01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:10,880
crowd. I mean, I just don't have faith

2432
01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:15,199
in any of these people. They have

2433
01:52:15,199 --> 01:52:16,560
if they want me to have faith in them,

2434
01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:19,679
it's too late. It's gone. It's been

2435
01:52:19,679 --> 01:52:22,480
taken away by their lack of action

2436
01:52:22,480 --> 01:52:25,199
across the board. Like, I do not have

2437
01:52:25,199 --> 01:52:27,440
faith that a former police officer will

2438
01:52:27,440 --> 01:52:29,920
hold his people accountable. I don't

2439
01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:32,000
have faith that a person I've seen lie

2440
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:34,320
to people will start telling the truth.

2441
01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:36,239
I don't have faith that someone I'm

2442
01:52:36,239 --> 01:52:39,040
worried might be a racist will soon find

2443
01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:40,800
themselves to be a good person. I don't

2444
01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:43,920
have faith that like a c a coward will

2445
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:45,280
find the courage. And I don't have

2446
01:52:45,280 --> 01:52:47,360
faith. The lady that seems to just look

2447
01:52:47,360 --> 01:52:50,320
the other way time and time again will,

2448
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:52,320
you know, just decide that she's going

2449
01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:54,639
to actually pay attention when serious

2450
01:52:54,639 --> 01:52:57,360
accusations are brought forward against

2451
01:52:57,360 --> 01:52:59,040
the, you know, city manager. I don't

2452
01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:01,280
have faith anywhere. I don't have faith

2453
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:04,560
in you at all. I don't know why you want

2454
01:53:04,560 --> 01:53:10,629
this job. You should just all resign.

2455
01:53:10,639 --> 01:53:14,159
You are putting our city in danger.

2456
01:53:14,159 --> 01:53:16,400
You are turning your power against the

2457
01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:18,560
people here.

2458
01:53:18,560 --> 01:53:22,000
Leave. Get out. I don't want you here.

2459
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:23,840
And I'm pretty sure a lot of people

2460
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:26,800
don't want you here.

2461
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:29,119
Thank you. Is there anyone else who

2462
01:53:29,119 --> 01:53:37,189
would like to address the council?

2463
01:53:37,199 --> 01:53:40,159
» Hello. Um, my name is Carolina Wheeler.

2464
01:53:40,159 --> 01:53:44,080
I'm a rising senior at MSU. I moved here

2465
01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:48,080
from Kentucky um in 2023 and one of the

2466
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:51,119
things I was most excited about about

2467
01:53:51,119 --> 01:53:54,080
going to school out of state, going up

2468
01:53:54,080 --> 01:53:57,520
north was thinking that things would be

2469
01:53:57,520 --> 01:54:01,119
different, largely more progressive,

2470
01:54:01,119 --> 01:54:03,840
um and while I certainly see less

2471
01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:05,920
Confederate flags flown around my

2472
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:08,000
neighborhood,

2473
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:10,960
um y'all, it's it's very real down

2474
01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:13,760
there. Um,

2475
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:15,679
there are certain things that I'm

2476
01:54:15,679 --> 01:54:19,040
learning that are so pervasive and

2477
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:22,000
insidious within American society and

2478
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:24,159
American institutions that there is no

2479
01:54:24,159 --> 01:54:28,639
escaping them. Um, even what seems to be

2480
01:54:28,639 --> 01:54:32,239
a liberal college town.

2481
01:54:32,239 --> 01:54:36,159
So, I suppose I was naive, but I started

2482
01:54:36,159 --> 01:54:39,280
off naive. Um, I was raised in Kentucky

2483
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:42,400
in the south by affluent white

2484
01:54:42,400 --> 01:54:45,599
Republicans. Um, and I remember being

2485
01:54:45,599 --> 01:54:48,639
taught about the police as a child, not

2486
01:54:48,639 --> 01:54:51,840
much older than or fairly probably

2487
01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:53,440
younger than the child who spoke here

2488
01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:56,400
earlier tonight. um and being taught

2489
01:54:56,400 --> 01:54:59,679
that the police were brave, valiant

2490
01:54:59,679 --> 01:55:02,800
public servants whose job was to protect

2491
01:55:02,800 --> 01:55:07,440
people and ensure order and keep society

2492
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:08,960
safe.

2493
01:55:08,960 --> 01:55:11,679
Um obviously

2494
01:55:11,679 --> 01:55:14,560
throughout my adult life, I've learned

2495
01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:18,880
the true history of policing in America.

2496
01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:21,920
you know, starting with

2497
01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:25,119
the the incredibly violent history of

2498
01:55:25,119 --> 01:55:27,520
slave patrols,

2499
01:55:27,520 --> 01:55:30,000
um the enforcement of vagrancy laws

2500
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:33,840
through the 70s. That's crazy.

2501
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:36,159
Um the brutal crackdowns on the civil

2502
01:55:36,159 --> 01:55:39,599
rights movement, the war on drugs,

2503
01:55:39,599 --> 01:55:42,239
there's no denying that policing in

2504
01:55:42,239 --> 01:55:45,920
America is rotten to the core. And

2505
01:55:45,920 --> 01:55:48,800
that's something that no city can

2506
01:55:48,800 --> 01:55:52,719
escape, no town, regardless of purported

2507
01:55:52,719 --> 01:55:57,040
reform or changes in leadership

2508
01:55:57,040 --> 01:56:00,560
or, you know, really really much that

2509
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:03,199
they try to do um to to make policing

2510
01:56:03,199 --> 01:56:06,719
better. Um

2511
01:56:06,719 --> 01:56:10,550
and so

2512
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:12,880
I've presented two sort of definitions

2513
01:56:12,880 --> 01:56:15,520
of the American policing system here.

2514
01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:17,599
One is that they are they're brave and

2515
01:56:17,599 --> 01:56:20,239
they protect us. And one is that they

2516
01:56:20,239 --> 01:56:23,520
are deeply flawed and the original

2517
01:56:23,520 --> 01:56:26,719
intent is something much graver than is

2518
01:56:26,719 --> 01:56:29,520
presented to Americans. And in light of

2519
01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:33,119
this incident with Isaiah Kirby,

2520
01:56:33,119 --> 01:56:35,599
um there's really only two conclusions

2521
01:56:35,599 --> 01:56:39,280
you can make. Um one for each of those.

2522
01:56:39,280 --> 01:56:42,639
either a the specific officers involved

2523
01:56:42,639 --> 01:56:44,880
in Isaiah Kirby's death were in fact not

2524
01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:46,800
the valiant public servants I was taught

2525
01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:49,920
about in school but rather cowards in

2526
01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:54,080
body armor and tactical shields and

2527
01:56:54,080 --> 01:56:59,119
armed with tasers and pistols and foam

2528
01:56:59,119 --> 01:57:01,280
foam thingy

2529
01:57:01,280 --> 01:57:03,679
I forgot the term for it I saw them load

2530
01:57:03,679 --> 01:57:07,920
it in the video um it's interesting that

2531
01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:10,719
it was there was no attempt made to

2532
01:57:10,719 --> 01:57:13,840
deploy that but it wouldn't have changed

2533
01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:16,800
anything probably.

2534
01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:18,880
Anyways, B the second option is that the

2535
01:57:18,880 --> 01:57:20,719
Carlson institution of policing in

2536
01:57:20,719 --> 01:57:23,679
America is irrevocably intertwined with

2537
01:57:23,679 --> 01:57:25,599
racism towards black Americans without

2538
01:57:25,599 --> 01:57:28,560
exception. I kind of already said that.

2539
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:30,159
Um

2540
01:57:30,159 --> 01:57:33,199
anyways, to wrap up, I wanted to make

2541
01:57:33,199 --> 01:57:35,679
the point that violent crime is not

2542
01:57:35,679 --> 01:57:37,440
something that ever happens within a

2543
01:57:37,440 --> 01:57:40,480
vacuum. Um it happens because societal

2544
01:57:40,480 --> 01:57:42,159
conditions are created by the

2545
01:57:42,159 --> 01:57:44,560
institutions and they are sustained by

2546
01:57:44,560 --> 01:57:47,840
these institutions. Violent crime is

2547
01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:50,400
contributed to by mental health crisis,

2548
01:57:50,400 --> 01:57:53,360
substance abuse, housing insecurity, and

2549
01:57:53,360 --> 01:57:56,000
even as we see now, episodes of

2550
01:57:56,000 --> 01:57:58,159
psychosis triggered and/or egged on by

2551
01:57:58,159 --> 01:57:59,679
the sickopantic tendencies of

2552
01:57:59,679 --> 01:58:02,639
unregulated large language models which

2553
01:58:02,639 --> 01:58:06,159
cities around the country are promoting

2554
01:58:06,159 --> 01:58:10,480
via allowing data centers. Um, all of

2555
01:58:10,480 --> 01:58:13,280
these are also interconnected with

2556
01:58:13,280 --> 01:58:16,800
broader societal issues. Um and as we

2557
01:58:16,800 --> 01:58:18,480
see the American government shift

2558
01:58:18,480 --> 01:58:20,080
towards

2559
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:22,719
um more authoritar authoritarian rule

2560
01:58:22,719 --> 01:58:25,040
and defunding public service programs

2561
01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:28,719
like um you know healthcare etc and

2562
01:58:28,719 --> 01:58:31,040
housing um these are only going to get

2563
01:58:31,040 --> 01:58:32,880
worse and East Lancing has to figure out

2564
01:58:32,880 --> 01:58:35,119
a way to deal with these problems that

2565
01:58:35,119 --> 01:58:37,280
cause violent crime at the root and not

2566
01:58:37,280 --> 01:58:40,480
to try and cut the buds.

2567
01:58:40,480 --> 01:58:43,197
>> Thank you. Is there anyone else?

2568
01:58:43,197 --> 01:58:43,207
» Thank you. Is there anyone else?

2569
01:58:43,207 --> 01:58:45,750
[applause]

2570
01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:47,599
» Please state your name for the record.

2571
01:58:47,599 --> 01:58:49,910
>> Yes, I'm Dr. Sharon Hobbs. I'm a

2572
01:58:49,910 --> 01:58:49,920
» Yes, I'm Dr. Sharon Hobbs. I'm a

2573
01:58:49,920 --> 01:58:52,480
clinical psychologist. Uh, I've been

2574
01:58:52,480 --> 01:58:56,719
here 42 years. I was born and raised in

2575
01:58:56,719 --> 01:58:59,760
Harlem, New York. I am not a small town

2576
01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:01,440
girl.

2577
01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:04,719
I'm also on the East Lancing Independent

2578
01:59:04,719 --> 01:59:08,400
Police Oversight Committee

2579
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:12,000
Commission rather and I have watched for

2580
01:59:12,000 --> 01:59:16,320
the last four years this council's

2581
01:59:16,320 --> 01:59:22,159
unwavering effort to take away any voice

2582
01:59:22,159 --> 01:59:26,719
that we as commissioners could expound

2583
01:59:26,719 --> 01:59:30,000
on in terms of the needs and concerns

2584
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:32,880
that citizen Citizens in East Lancing

2585
01:59:32,880 --> 01:59:36,080
have we were supposed to be by ordinance

2586
01:59:36,080 --> 01:59:41,040
their voice, but the council has felt

2587
01:59:41,040 --> 01:59:42,639
that

2588
01:59:42,639 --> 01:59:45,679
it's best to keep us quiet.

2589
01:59:45,679 --> 01:59:49,280
Early on when we had concerns about how

2590
01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:52,239
police officers were handling all

2591
01:59:52,239 --> 01:59:55,520
citizens, not just black citizens, how

2592
01:59:55,520 --> 01:59:58,000
they did not know how to deal with

2593
01:59:58,000 --> 02:00:00,239
mental health crisis. Mental health

2594
02:00:00,239 --> 02:00:02,800
issues are not just with the black

2595
02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:05,599
community. There's mental health issues

2596
02:00:05,599 --> 02:00:07,920
in all aspects of our community and our

2597
02:00:07,920 --> 02:00:10,400
police have not been trained to handle

2598
02:00:10,400 --> 02:00:12,159
them.

2599
02:00:12,159 --> 02:00:14,080
Many years ago when my son was a

2600
02:00:14,080 --> 02:00:16,159
teenager and he was about six feet tall

2601
02:00:16,159 --> 02:00:19,280
and about 200 lb, he and his friend were

2602
02:00:19,280 --> 02:00:21,440
sitting across the street from my house

2603
02:00:21,440 --> 02:00:24,719
in Shaw States. He was smoking. Um he

2604
02:00:24,719 --> 02:00:26,400
had finished smoking by the time the

2605
02:00:26,400 --> 02:00:28,719
police drove through, but the police

2606
02:00:28,719 --> 02:00:31,280
officer felt that there was a need to

2607
02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:34,960
get out of his car and walk over to my

2608
02:00:34,960 --> 02:00:37,599
son and his friend who is also

2609
02:00:37,599 --> 02:00:40,639
African-American to ask why were they

2610
02:00:40,639 --> 02:00:42,560
there?

2611
02:00:42,560 --> 02:00:46,000
My son said, "I live across the street."

2612
02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:47,920
And he pointed to our house, which was a

2613
02:00:47,920 --> 02:00:50,480
very unusual looking house. And the

2614
02:00:50,480 --> 02:00:53,119
officer said, "That's Dr. Hobbs's

2615
02:00:53,119 --> 02:00:56,560
house." And he said, "I'm Dr. Hobbs's

2616
02:00:56,560 --> 02:01:00,400
son." The next day, that police officer

2617
02:01:00,400 --> 02:01:03,040
came to my office to apologize because

2618
02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:06,320
when he told his wife, his wife said

2619
02:01:06,320 --> 02:01:08,480
that was racist.

2620
02:01:08,480 --> 02:01:11,360
And so he came and apologized to me and

2621
02:01:11,360 --> 02:01:15,920
later apologized to my son.

2622
02:01:15,920 --> 02:01:19,920
I feel sorry for the police officers who

2623
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:23,040
shot Isaiah

2624
02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:24,960
because I don't think you all give a

2625
02:01:24,960 --> 02:01:28,639
damn about those officers.

2626
02:01:28,639 --> 02:01:31,599
I think you care much more

2627
02:01:31,599 --> 02:01:33,119
about

2628
02:01:33,119 --> 02:01:35,360
East Lancing and the glory of East

2629
02:01:35,360 --> 02:01:37,199
Lancing.

2630
02:01:37,199 --> 02:01:39,760
When you shoot someone,

2631
02:01:39,760 --> 02:01:44,000
even if they're your enemy in war, it it

2632
02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:47,280
hits you in the heart.

2633
02:01:47,280 --> 02:01:51,360
And we put these police officers in

2634
02:01:51,360 --> 02:01:54,239
these positions without giving them the

2635
02:01:54,239 --> 02:01:57,440
training and the sensitivity training

2636
02:01:57,440 --> 02:02:00,000
that is required. You can't be a police

2637
02:02:00,000 --> 02:02:03,760
officer and not think quickly on your

2638
02:02:03,760 --> 02:02:07,440
feet. When your police chief says

2639
02:02:07,440 --> 02:02:10,159
minorities coming into the community of

2640
02:02:10,159 --> 02:02:13,119
the problem and you see this young man

2641
02:02:13,119 --> 02:02:15,840
with a knife, is that not a minority

2642
02:02:15,840 --> 02:02:18,159
who's come into this community, this

2643
02:02:18,159 --> 02:02:21,760
wonderful community to cause problems? I

2644
02:02:21,760 --> 02:02:24,320
mean, the police officers

2645
02:02:24,320 --> 02:02:27,199
have been set up and I think there's a

2646
02:02:27,199 --> 02:02:29,760
lot of work that can be do be done with

2647
02:02:29,760 --> 02:02:31,280
our police officers. I don't think

2648
02:02:31,280 --> 02:02:33,440
they're all a piece of crap. And no, I

2649
02:02:33,440 --> 02:02:36,880
don't want these men to go to prison for

2650
02:02:36,880 --> 02:02:39,760
the rest of their lives. I want them to

2651
02:02:39,760 --> 02:02:42,320
have plenty of time to think about what

2652
02:02:42,320 --> 02:02:45,119
their actions did, not only to Isaiah

2653
02:02:45,119 --> 02:02:48,159
and his family, but to all of us, black

2654
02:02:48,159 --> 02:02:50,639
and white.

2655
02:02:50,639 --> 02:02:52,560
The commission

2656
02:02:52,560 --> 02:02:56,480
said Jen Brown after having served as a

2657
02:02:56,480 --> 02:02:59,360
temporary person was not right for this

2658
02:02:59,360 --> 02:03:02,480
community. But I I interviewed I

2659
02:03:02,480 --> 02:03:04,400
interviewed the candidates and she was

2660
02:03:04,400 --> 02:03:06,719
not the strongest candidate. But our

2661
02:03:06,719 --> 02:03:09,360
city attorney I mean rather our city

2662
02:03:09,360 --> 02:03:12,239
manager seemed to have a special liking

2663
02:03:12,239 --> 02:03:15,599
for her. So that even the questions were

2664
02:03:15,599 --> 02:03:18,320
geared for her. How can somebody who's

2665
02:03:18,320 --> 02:03:20,320
coming from across the country know

2666
02:03:20,320 --> 02:03:23,199
about our annual reports? So, even the

2667
02:03:23,199 --> 02:03:25,440
interviews were geared for her. I don't

2668
02:03:25,440 --> 02:03:28,639
know why he is so enamored of her, but I

2669
02:03:28,639 --> 02:03:31,520
do know she is not good for East

2670
02:03:31,520 --> 02:03:34,080
Lancing. We've got to do better. Some of

2671
02:03:34,080 --> 02:03:36,480
you I've known for a long time, like

2672
02:03:36,480 --> 02:03:39,360
Mark, and I must say, Mark, I am very

2673
02:03:39,360 --> 02:03:42,080
disappointed. I thought you would be at

2674
02:03:42,080 --> 02:03:44,800
least a voice here and be heard. and

2675
02:03:44,800 --> 02:03:48,480
I've known your husband forever.

2676
02:03:48,480 --> 02:03:51,280
We've got to do better.

2677
02:03:51,280 --> 02:03:53,430
>> Thank you. Is there anyone else who

2678
02:03:53,430 --> 02:03:53,440
» Thank you. Is there anyone else who

2679
02:03:53,440 --> 02:03:56,639
would like to speak?

2680
02:03:56,639 --> 02:03:58,790
>> Please state your name for the record.

2681
02:03:58,790 --> 02:03:58,800
» Please state your name for the record.

2682
02:03:58,800 --> 02:04:01,910
>> Olivier Strad.

2683
02:04:01,910 --> 02:04:01,920
» Olivier Strad.

2684
02:04:01,920 --> 02:04:04,000
Uh first off, I just wanted to say what

2685
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:08,000
I saw um from the body cam footage was a

2686
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:10,320
young man who was shot several times

2687
02:04:10,320 --> 02:04:12,800
after he was already on the ground. Um,

2688
02:04:12,800 --> 02:04:15,760
and in international law, this is

2689
02:04:15,760 --> 02:04:18,960
considered, you know, a war crime. Um,

2690
02:04:18,960 --> 02:04:21,280
shooting somebody after they're already

2691
02:04:21,280 --> 02:04:24,800
down uh is considered double tapping.

2692
02:04:24,800 --> 02:04:28,070
Um,

2693
02:04:28,080 --> 02:04:31,199
also on the 13th, I one of you guys said

2694
02:04:31,199 --> 02:04:33,520
that um, you can't predict this kind of

2695
02:04:33,520 --> 02:04:35,199
tragedy and I've heard nothing but the

2696
02:04:35,199 --> 02:04:37,119
community telling you that this was

2697
02:04:37,119 --> 02:04:39,440
predicted.

2698
02:04:39,440 --> 02:04:42,639
Um uh

2699
02:04:42,639 --> 02:04:46,000
I mainly wanted to come up here to say

2700
02:04:46,000 --> 02:04:50,000
this. Um I apologize. Uh it's going to

2701
02:04:50,000 --> 02:04:51,679
be hard for me to get through this, but

2702
02:04:51,679 --> 02:04:54,159
um I I lived by where this incident used

2703
02:04:54,159 --> 02:04:57,280
to or where this incident happened. Um I

2704
02:04:57,280 --> 02:04:59,199
I lived with a young black man who

2705
02:04:59,199 --> 02:05:01,280
dreamed of being a baker. Um he would

2706
02:05:01,280 --> 02:05:03,360
make me the food that he hoped to put in

2707
02:05:03,360 --> 02:05:06,159
his restaurant someday. Um, oh, right

2708
02:05:06,159 --> 02:05:10,080
after the MSU shooting, uh, he seriously

2709
02:05:10,080 --> 02:05:12,159
wasn't doing well. Uh, and I reached out

2710
02:05:12,159 --> 02:05:14,480
to the city because he, like me, um,

2711
02:05:14,480 --> 02:05:17,920
didn't have a family that, uh,

2712
02:05:17,920 --> 02:05:20,159
I could go to. And I I've I've had

2713
02:05:20,159 --> 02:05:21,679
multiple white friends who I've been

2714
02:05:21,679 --> 02:05:24,320
able to get mental help for, um, when

2715
02:05:24,320 --> 02:05:27,440
they really needed it. Um, you know, and

2716
02:05:27,440 --> 02:05:28,880
I I wasn't able to take care of him

2717
02:05:28,880 --> 02:05:31,599
anymore because I had to go to a surgery

2718
02:05:31,599 --> 02:05:32,960
um, and was going to be away for a

2719
02:05:32,960 --> 02:05:37,840
while. uh the city sent the police. Um

2720
02:05:37,840 --> 02:05:41,840
it just made him a lot worse. Uh and uh

2721
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:43,840
just with his mental headsp space, it

2722
02:05:43,840 --> 02:05:46,159
could have ended up like this incident.

2723
02:05:46,159 --> 02:05:49,360
Um which I think the police handled

2724
02:05:49,360 --> 02:05:55,189
awfully. Um,

2725
02:05:55,199 --> 02:05:57,920
when I returned from my surgery, um, I

2726
02:05:57,920 --> 02:06:00,480
walked into an active unmarked crime

2727
02:06:00,480 --> 02:06:04,080
scene where I found the, uh, you know,

2728
02:06:04,080 --> 02:06:07,440
remnants of my roommates's last days.

2729
02:06:07,440 --> 02:06:11,280
And so I guess um along with the fact

2730
02:06:11,280 --> 02:06:14,000
that the police should have handled this

2731
02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:17,280
situation completely differently from my

2732
02:06:17,280 --> 02:06:21,119
experience, I don't understand how we um

2733
02:06:21,119 --> 02:06:24,560
help people like retroactively.

2734
02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:26,400
Um

2735
02:06:26,400 --> 02:06:29,199
so that's all I wanted to say. [snorts]

2736
02:06:29,199 --> 02:06:31,527
>> Thank you. Is there anyone else

2737
02:06:31,527 --> 02:06:31,537
» Thank you. Is there anyone else

2738
02:06:31,537 --> 02:06:32,639
[applause]

2739
02:06:32,639 --> 02:06:38,470
who would like to address the council?

2740
02:06:38,480 --> 02:06:40,639
Seeing none, are there any callers?

2741
02:06:40,639 --> 02:06:42,950
>> There's one caller on the line. Caller

2742
02:06:42,950 --> 02:06:42,960
» There's one caller on the line. Caller

2743
02:06:42,960 --> 02:06:44,800
with your last name Austin, you are now

2744
02:06:44,800 --> 02:06:53,830
free to address the council.

2745
02:06:53,840 --> 02:06:55,280
Caller with your last name Austin, you

2746
02:06:55,280 --> 02:07:01,669
are now free to address the council.

2747
02:07:01,679 --> 02:07:03,119
» There are no callers remaining on the

2748
02:07:03,119 --> 02:07:03,840
line.

2749
02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:06,709
>> All right. Thank you. Uh that brings us

2750
02:07:06,709 --> 02:07:06,719
» All right. Thank you. Uh that brings us

2751
02:07:06,719 --> 02:07:09,760
to communications from council uh

2752
02:07:09,760 --> 02:07:12,147
council member Whan.

2753
02:07:12,147 --> 02:07:18,550
[snorts]

2754
02:07:18,560 --> 02:07:20,480
It's very difficult to know what to say

2755
02:07:20,480 --> 02:07:23,760
in a situation like this.

2756
02:07:23,760 --> 02:07:26,639
Obviously our community is hurting.

2757
02:07:26,639 --> 02:07:29,833
Um staff are hurting.

2758
02:07:29,833 --> 02:07:29,990
>> [clears throat]

2759
02:07:29,990 --> 02:07:30,000
» [clears throat]

2760
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:31,830
>> I wanted to originally talk about the

2761
02:07:31,830 --> 02:07:31,840
» I wanted to originally talk about the

2762
02:07:31,840 --> 02:07:34,639
Artfest and how incredible it was where

2763
02:07:34,639 --> 02:07:37,119
people from all over the state came in

2764
02:07:37,119 --> 02:07:39,520
to enjoy our community.

2765
02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:42,800
Myself and um Mayor Tam Griggsby went to

2766
02:07:42,800 --> 02:07:45,760
a Michigan Municipal League training

2767
02:07:45,760 --> 02:07:48,960
this weekend on how we can be better at

2768
02:07:48,960 --> 02:07:50,560
doing our jobs and it was very

2769
02:07:50,560 --> 02:07:53,679
informative. I really appreciate uh my

2770
02:07:53,679 --> 02:07:56,079
colleague

2771
02:07:56,079 --> 02:07:57,920
just a reminder that we're not the

2772
02:07:57,920 --> 02:08:01,109
investigative

2773
02:08:01,119 --> 02:08:05,199
bureau of the situation.

2774
02:08:05,199 --> 02:08:08,560
We are not getting any formal comments

2775
02:08:08,560 --> 02:08:10,560
from the man who was stabbed many many

2776
02:08:10,560 --> 02:08:13,669
times.

2777
02:08:13,679 --> 02:08:16,159
We are not seeking other eyewitness

2778
02:08:16,159 --> 02:08:18,800
accounts. We're not talking to those

2779
02:08:18,800 --> 02:08:24,709
involved. We're not um

2780
02:08:24,719 --> 02:08:27,280
and video does show just a portion of

2781
02:08:27,280 --> 02:08:29,280
the situation.

2782
02:08:29,280 --> 02:08:31,760
We're leaving this to the Michigan State

2783
02:08:31,760 --> 02:08:34,400
Police because that's appropriate.

2784
02:08:34,400 --> 02:08:35,760
It's not appropriate for the East

2785
02:08:35,760 --> 02:08:37,360
Lancing Police Department to investigate

2786
02:08:37,360 --> 02:08:40,400
the situation. So, we need to have an

2787
02:08:40,400 --> 02:08:42,560
outside agency

2788
02:08:42,560 --> 02:08:45,040
investigate that. That investigation

2789
02:08:45,040 --> 02:08:47,520
takes time.

2790
02:08:47,520 --> 02:08:49,679
Okay.

2791
02:08:49,679 --> 02:08:52,960
There is lots of rules with council. We

2792
02:08:52,960 --> 02:08:56,320
can't get together and talk.

2793
02:08:56,320 --> 02:08:59,280
We there's an opens meetings act that is

2794
02:08:59,280 --> 02:09:02,079
critical that we don't do business

2795
02:09:02,079 --> 02:09:04,639
outside this room.

2796
02:09:04,639 --> 02:09:08,960
So, um I do ask for patience and due

2797
02:09:08,960 --> 02:09:13,599
process and patience in the situation.

2798
02:09:13,599 --> 02:09:15,360
I do think there's a lot of people that

2799
02:09:15,360 --> 02:09:19,280
have seen this and they've

2800
02:09:19,280 --> 02:09:22,159
um

2801
02:09:22,159 --> 02:09:25,040
it's traumatic and I think I want to

2802
02:09:25,040 --> 02:09:26,560
make sure that we can reach out to

2803
02:09:26,560 --> 02:09:29,679
mental health professionals

2804
02:09:29,679 --> 02:09:32,400
to um be able to

2805
02:09:32,400 --> 02:09:35,840
um deal with issues and

2806
02:09:35,840 --> 02:09:37,440
um it's just very very difficult

2807
02:09:37,440 --> 02:09:40,960
situations for everyone involved. It's

2808
02:09:40,960 --> 02:09:43,040
very traumatic and I appreciate several

2809
02:09:43,040 --> 02:09:47,679
of the comments that addressed that. Um,

2810
02:09:47,679 --> 02:09:49,679
I guess that's all I have to say.

2811
02:09:49,679 --> 02:09:55,109
>> Thank you, Council Member Meadows.

2812
02:09:55,119 --> 02:09:57,520
» Well, I'll try to be, you know, fairly

2813
02:09:57,520 --> 02:09:59,679
brief here.

2814
02:09:59,679 --> 02:10:03,920
Um I I just want to say that um even

2815
02:10:03,920 --> 02:10:05,599
though we may have poker faces while

2816
02:10:05,599 --> 02:10:07,520
we're listening to people, I think that

2817
02:10:07,520 --> 02:10:10,719
most of us want to make sure that people

2818
02:10:10,719 --> 02:10:13,440
know that we are listening to them and

2819
02:10:13,440 --> 02:10:17,840
by reacting sometimes it may uh indicate

2820
02:10:17,840 --> 02:10:21,840
that we're we're not

2821
02:10:21,840 --> 02:10:24,400
the uh you asked me specifically about

2822
02:10:24,400 --> 02:10:26,400
lunge. I don't actually remember ever

2823
02:10:26,400 --> 02:10:28,880
using the word lunge uh in relation to

2824
02:10:28,880 --> 02:10:31,280
this in particular. It may have been a

2825
02:10:31,280 --> 02:10:33,440
reporter's question and they used the

2826
02:10:33,440 --> 02:10:36,239
word or something like that. But as I

2827
02:10:36,239 --> 02:10:40,159
indicated last week, what I saw as of

2828
02:10:40,159 --> 02:10:43,920
last week was the abbreviated version of

2829
02:10:43,920 --> 02:10:47,679
this this particular incident. And in

2830
02:10:47,679 --> 02:10:50,079
that incident, there is a moment in time

2831
02:10:50,079 --> 02:10:53,280
just before this ends, before that ends

2832
02:10:53,280 --> 02:10:57,679
where uh Isaiah moves from the bike lane

2833
02:10:57,679 --> 02:11:00,239
into the regular, you know, part of the

2834
02:11:00,239 --> 02:11:03,360
street and seems to be heading towards

2835
02:11:03,360 --> 02:11:06,000
the police car. That's what I was

2836
02:11:06,000 --> 02:11:09,040
referring to. But I want to emphasize

2837
02:11:09,040 --> 02:11:11,760
the other things I said because they

2838
02:11:11,760 --> 02:11:14,079
were characterized as being u

2839
02:11:14,079 --> 02:11:15,599
insensitive

2840
02:11:15,599 --> 02:11:18,639
uh by uh the attorney for the family who

2841
02:11:18,639 --> 02:11:21,840
I've known for years and you know I want

2842
02:11:21,840 --> 02:11:24,400
to make sure that I am not insensitive

2843
02:11:24,400 --> 02:11:26,800
and want to emphasize that I meant what

2844
02:11:26,800 --> 02:11:29,920
I said when I began to talk last week.

2845
02:11:29,920 --> 02:11:40,950
Nobody

2846
02:11:40,960 --> 02:11:43,920
who has a child

2847
02:11:43,920 --> 02:11:48,470
wants to outlive that child.

2848
02:11:48,480 --> 02:11:53,280
And uh you know I think u the tragedy of

2849
02:11:53,280 --> 02:11:56,320
this is widespread.

2850
02:11:56,320 --> 02:11:59,040
Even putting aside the [snorts]

2851
02:11:59,040 --> 02:12:00,960
the number of bullets that might have

2852
02:12:00,960 --> 02:12:03,920
been used, um [clears throat]

2853
02:12:03,920 --> 02:12:05,840
the question I asked then is the

2854
02:12:05,840 --> 02:12:09,199
question I ask now. We need to know what

2855
02:12:09,199 --> 02:12:12,320
triggered all this. What was this mental

2856
02:12:12,320 --> 02:12:14,560
health crisis? And I want to I

2857
02:12:14,560 --> 02:12:15,920
represented the department of mental

2858
02:12:15,920 --> 02:12:18,159
health for about 10 years and as

2859
02:12:18,159 --> 02:12:21,520
assistant attorneys general had numerous

2860
02:12:21,520 --> 02:12:24,000
lawsuits that I handled. And I just want

2861
02:12:24,000 --> 02:12:27,510
to mention that

2862
02:12:27,520 --> 02:12:30,400
this sort of schizophrenic

2863
02:12:30,400 --> 02:12:32,400
burst

2864
02:12:32,400 --> 02:12:35,840
is often we see that is between the ages

2865
02:12:35,840 --> 02:12:39,280
of 18 and 24 and particularly among

2866
02:12:39,280 --> 02:12:42,800
individuals who are highly intelligent.

2867
02:12:42,800 --> 02:12:46,639
And by all accounts, by all reports,

2868
02:12:46,639 --> 02:12:49,760
Isaiah was a highly intelligent student

2869
02:12:49,760 --> 02:12:52,320
with a a life that he was planning to

2870
02:12:52,320 --> 02:12:54,239
have. So, how did this happened that

2871
02:12:54,239 --> 02:12:56,079
night?

2872
02:12:56,079 --> 02:12:57,920
I want to know the answer to that, and

2873
02:12:57,920 --> 02:13:00,320
I'll have a lot more to say about both

2874
02:13:00,320 --> 02:13:03,280
the video and all of the evidence that

2875
02:13:03,280 --> 02:13:04,800
we received because we don't have the

2876
02:13:04,800 --> 02:13:08,000
toxicology report or the autopsy report

2877
02:13:08,000 --> 02:13:12,320
at this point in time. But clearly,

2878
02:13:12,320 --> 02:13:15,679
if this was a sudden mental health

2879
02:13:15,679 --> 02:13:17,440
crisis,

2880
02:13:17,440 --> 02:13:20,639
this is even more of a tragedy than it

2881
02:13:20,639 --> 02:13:24,960
seems to me to be at this point in time.

2882
02:13:24,960 --> 02:13:29,119
I agree that everybody who does wrong

2883
02:13:29,119 --> 02:13:31,440
should be held accountable and I think

2884
02:13:31,440 --> 02:13:33,760
somebody mentioned that at the at the

2885
02:13:33,760 --> 02:13:35,840
microphone. That is the objective.

2886
02:13:35,840 --> 02:13:37,599
That's the objective of the

2887
02:13:37,599 --> 02:13:39,119
investigation

2888
02:13:39,119 --> 02:13:42,800
and the objective of this council.

2889
02:13:42,800 --> 02:13:45,920
The uh there's been a number of comments

2890
02:13:45,920 --> 02:13:47,840
with regard to due process of law and

2891
02:13:47,840 --> 02:13:53,280
due process is a is a big deal and um

2892
02:13:53,280 --> 02:13:56,159
more than a big deal a big right of

2893
02:13:56,159 --> 02:13:58,560
everyone who's involved in any incident

2894
02:13:58,560 --> 02:14:01,280
like that. And that applies both to

2895
02:14:01,280 --> 02:14:04,560
Isaiah and the due process of law that

2896
02:14:04,560 --> 02:14:07,119
he had a right to and the due process of

2897
02:14:07,119 --> 02:14:10,320
law that someone who might have violated

2898
02:14:10,320 --> 02:14:13,199
his right to due process of law has in

2899
02:14:13,199 --> 02:14:16,960
relation to that and we will go forward

2900
02:14:16,960 --> 02:14:18,800
with that.

2901
02:14:18,800 --> 02:14:21,440
Um, I think that there are a number of

2902
02:14:21,440 --> 02:14:24,480
issues that were raised in my mind with

2903
02:14:24,480 --> 02:14:26,960
regard to the video as I watched the

2904
02:14:26,960 --> 02:14:29,840
entire video that was released and you

2905
02:14:29,840 --> 02:14:31,679
know I will have further comments with

2906
02:14:31,679 --> 02:14:34,480
regard to those at what I consider to be

2907
02:14:34,480 --> 02:14:37,840
the correct time. I will note that while

2908
02:14:37,840 --> 02:14:41,040
I appreciate all of the comments that

2909
02:14:41,040 --> 02:14:43,040
were made tonight,

2910
02:14:43,040 --> 02:14:46,400
Dr. Hob's comment is the one that stung

2911
02:14:46,400 --> 02:14:48,239
with me. I don't want you ever

2912
02:14:48,239 --> 02:14:52,800
disappointed in me. And uh like I say,

2913
02:14:52,800 --> 02:14:57,040
I'll have a lot more to say about this.

2914
02:14:57,040 --> 02:14:59,510
>> Thank you, Mayor Prom.

2915
02:14:59,510 --> 02:14:59,520
» Thank you, Mayor Prom.

2916
02:14:59,520 --> 02:15:03,599
Uh yes. Um so, uh I just want to thank

2917
02:15:03,599 --> 02:15:06,239
everyone that came in and spoke tonight.

2918
02:15:06,239 --> 02:15:09,599
Um and um I love the fact that you guys

2919
02:15:09,599 --> 02:15:12,639
are organizing together um as a

2920
02:15:12,639 --> 02:15:15,920
community and really showing out for

2921
02:15:15,920 --> 02:15:19,199
what's important. Um I also want to just

2922
02:15:19,199 --> 02:15:23,840
say to the group uh Citizen for Justice,

2923
02:15:23,840 --> 02:15:27,440
uh I'm glad that you guys have um um

2924
02:15:27,440 --> 02:15:30,320
organization and you have a list of

2925
02:15:30,320 --> 02:15:33,679
things here that I see uh as what you

2926
02:15:33,679 --> 02:15:36,880
call demands. And that's exactly where

2927
02:15:36,880 --> 02:15:40,000
we are at. Um I mean you guys heard me

2928
02:15:40,000 --> 02:15:42,480
talk talk and talk about you know things

2929
02:15:42,480 --> 02:15:45,679
uh here in this format. Um and I'm ready

2930
02:15:45,679 --> 02:15:50,079
to work and ready to look at how we can

2931
02:15:50,079 --> 02:15:52,320
go forward. So, I'm urging the city

2932
02:15:52,320 --> 02:15:56,400
manager to make sure that um he

2933
02:15:56,400 --> 02:15:59,440
uh scratches out time um for the

2934
02:15:59,440 --> 02:16:01,920
individuals that are involved with this

2935
02:16:01,920 --> 02:16:05,199
um um by the deadline that they set. I

2936
02:16:05,199 --> 02:16:07,599
think it's important for us to rearrange

2937
02:16:07,599 --> 02:16:10,400
whatever schedules we have to start

2938
02:16:10,400 --> 02:16:14,960
looking at this um as we go forward. Um

2939
02:16:14,960 --> 02:16:17,119
I have a lot of questions. I have a lot

2940
02:16:17,119 --> 02:16:19,440
of things that I don't I don't

2941
02:16:19,440 --> 02:16:22,719
understand. Um I plan on asking some of

2942
02:16:22,719 --> 02:16:26,800
those questions tonight. Um and again

2943
02:16:26,800 --> 02:16:30,480
within that framework um and I know this

2944
02:16:30,480 --> 02:16:32,719
is not you know but there is a due

2945
02:16:32,719 --> 02:16:34,960
process for everyone involved just like

2946
02:16:34,960 --> 02:16:38,080
council member Meadows says and that is

2947
02:16:38,080 --> 02:16:40,160
really the structure the framework that

2948
02:16:40,160 --> 02:16:43,200
this whole democracy is built on for us

2949
02:16:43,200 --> 02:16:45,519
to go through this process. I know you

2950
02:16:45,519 --> 02:16:47,200
want immediate action. I know you are

2951
02:16:47,200 --> 02:16:48,479
tired of asking for the things you've

2952
02:16:48,479 --> 02:16:51,920
been asking for um and demanding for um

2953
02:16:51,920 --> 02:16:54,000
in regards to everything that's been

2954
02:16:54,000 --> 02:16:57,359
said. And as I've said before, I said I

2955
02:16:57,359 --> 02:16:58,479
wasn't going to be talking, but as I

2956
02:16:58,479 --> 02:17:01,120
said before, when we have everything in

2957
02:17:01,120 --> 02:17:03,439
front of us, we have the process that

2958
02:17:03,439 --> 02:17:08,000
has been um set out by law and we are in

2959
02:17:08,000 --> 02:17:10,240
a situation where we can act upon those

2960
02:17:10,240 --> 02:17:12,080
in this particular setting, in this

2961
02:17:12,080 --> 02:17:14,000
particular role and the particular

2962
02:17:14,000 --> 02:17:16,240
responsibility that we have to the city

2963
02:17:16,240 --> 02:17:19,200
and the community here in the city. Um I

2964
02:17:19,200 --> 02:17:23,760
will uh just do that. So, um I think

2965
02:17:23,760 --> 02:17:28,880
it's um um um

2966
02:17:28,880 --> 02:17:32,639
absolutely imperative that we um

2967
02:17:32,639 --> 02:17:35,679
continue hearing from you, continue

2968
02:17:35,679 --> 02:17:38,639
hearing your stories, your experiences.

2969
02:17:38,639 --> 02:17:41,599
Um and some of you have I worked with uh

2970
02:17:41,599 --> 02:17:43,200
in the past when it comes to some of

2971
02:17:43,200 --> 02:17:45,679
these issues and these issues were here

2972
02:17:45,679 --> 02:17:46,960
before we got here. These issues are

2973
02:17:46,960 --> 02:17:48,240
happening now. These issues going to be

2974
02:17:48,240 --> 02:17:51,359
having here uh after we're gone. So, we

2975
02:17:51,359 --> 02:17:54,479
have to do what we can, why we can, and

2976
02:17:54,479 --> 02:17:57,280
uh as I said before, um it is so much

2977
02:17:57,280 --> 02:17:58,719
more easier to do it with you than

2978
02:17:58,719 --> 02:18:01,359
without you. Thank you.

2979
02:18:01,359 --> 02:18:13,669
>> Thank you, Council Member Singh.

2980
02:18:13,679 --> 02:18:16,800
I uh like many of you shared from the

2981
02:18:16,800 --> 02:18:22,399
podium this evening am sad, angry, and

2982
02:18:22,399 --> 02:18:30,549
sick.

2983
02:18:30,559 --> 02:18:33,280
The video that was released that many of

2984
02:18:33,280 --> 02:18:38,585
us watched uh was incredibly disturbing.

2985
02:18:38,595 --> 02:18:40,790
» [clears throat]

2986
02:18:40,800 --> 02:18:44,639
» From that review, uh, I have submitted a

2987
02:18:44,639 --> 02:18:47,519
set of questions to the city manager and

2988
02:18:47,519 --> 02:18:50,319
city attorney and I hope to gain some

2989
02:18:50,319 --> 02:18:55,429
answers stemming from the release video.

2990
02:18:55,439 --> 02:18:58,319
I want to recognize that

2991
02:18:58,319 --> 02:19:02,160
um the community we are in collective

2992
02:19:02,160 --> 02:19:03,760
pain

2993
02:19:03,760 --> 02:19:05,519
and

2994
02:19:05,519 --> 02:19:11,030
um

2995
02:19:11,040 --> 02:19:13,200
this is going to be a long road ahead. I

2996
02:19:13,200 --> 02:19:17,920
don't pretend that this is um something

2997
02:19:17,920 --> 02:19:20,399
that

2998
02:19:20,399 --> 02:19:22,800
is an easy set of solutions that we are

2999
02:19:22,800 --> 02:19:24,639
faced with.

3000
02:19:24,639 --> 02:19:27,280
Um that this has got to be a collective

3001
02:19:27,280 --> 02:19:29,840
long-term path that we commit ourselves

3002
02:19:29,840 --> 02:19:34,150
to.

3003
02:19:34,160 --> 02:19:37,599
And I want to recognize beyond

3004
02:19:37,599 --> 02:19:39,760
the awful events that happened April

3005
02:19:39,760 --> 02:19:41,280
15th

3006
02:19:41,280 --> 02:19:43,519
that there is a larger conversation

3007
02:19:43,519 --> 02:19:46,160
which I appreciate the the list that was

3008
02:19:46,160 --> 02:19:48,880
shared uh that recognizes some

3009
02:19:48,880 --> 02:19:52,319
recommendations. Um

3010
02:19:52,319 --> 02:19:55,680
I want to get lend some appreciation to

3011
02:19:55,680 --> 02:19:57,359
the community members I've been able to

3012
02:19:57,359 --> 02:20:00,240
have um a dialogue with over the last

3013
02:20:00,240 --> 02:20:02,960
several days. I look forward and welcome

3014
02:20:02,960 --> 02:20:10,070
that continued dialogue.

3015
02:20:10,080 --> 02:20:12,640
I do also want to share that the

3016
02:20:12,640 --> 02:20:14,640
conversations I've been able to have

3017
02:20:14,640 --> 02:20:17,439
both with city attorneys and and with

3018
02:20:17,439 --> 02:20:19,680
city managers,

3019
02:20:19,680 --> 02:20:22,399
there are personnel questions that I've

3020
02:20:22,399 --> 02:20:25,040
asked.

3021
02:20:25,040 --> 02:20:29,349
Um,

3022
02:20:29,359 --> 02:20:31,200
that's as far as I'm going to go this

3023
02:20:31,200 --> 02:20:35,429
evening

3024
02:20:35,439 --> 02:20:38,319
there's a lot of work to do and again I

3025
02:20:38,319 --> 02:20:42,870
um,

3026
02:20:42,880 --> 02:20:45,439
you know, thank you for coming here and

3027
02:20:45,439 --> 02:20:49,120
I do recognize that uh, especially for

3028
02:20:49,120 --> 02:20:52,000
those with generational trauma that this

3029
02:20:52,000 --> 02:20:55,760
is something that is um,

3030
02:20:55,760 --> 02:20:59,359
continues to be difficult to come here

3031
02:20:59,359 --> 02:21:05,190
on a weekly basis.

3032
02:21:05,200 --> 02:21:08,593
Um I also I do want to do

3033
02:21:08,593 --> 02:21:09,120
[sighs and gasps]

3034
02:21:09,120 --> 02:21:12,160
um a slight mention on the extreme

3035
02:21:12,160 --> 02:21:14,960
weather events that we had last night or

3036
02:21:14,960 --> 02:21:18,880
yesterday. Um the Ingam County Emergency

3037
02:21:18,880 --> 02:21:21,760
Response Sirens, I know I spent time in

3038
02:21:21,760 --> 02:21:23,920
my basement yesterday. I know our

3039
02:21:23,920 --> 02:21:25,600
schools

3040
02:21:25,600 --> 02:21:28,080
um you know students are in the hallways

3041
02:21:28,080 --> 02:21:31,280
for extended amount of time um uh

3042
02:21:31,280 --> 02:21:34,399
sheltering and just want to give a shout

3043
02:21:34,399 --> 02:21:37,600
out uh to our DPW folks and others that

3044
02:21:37,600 --> 02:21:39,760
have been part of the community response

3045
02:21:39,760 --> 02:21:43,600
as it relates to um you know the down

3046
02:21:43,600 --> 02:21:48,080
trees and other property damage. So, um

3047
02:21:48,080 --> 02:21:53,349
while this while we have um

3048
02:21:53,359 --> 02:21:56,720
the really important matters, uh the

3049
02:21:56,720 --> 02:22:00,080
city business um of tending to the

3050
02:22:00,080 --> 02:22:02,479
community on all facets continues. So, I

3051
02:22:02,479 --> 02:22:04,720
want to recognize the city employees

3052
02:22:04,720 --> 02:22:07,760
that are are weighing through that. So,

3053
02:22:07,760 --> 02:22:09,200
with that, that's all I have this

3054
02:22:09,200 --> 02:22:11,359
evening.

3055
02:22:11,359 --> 02:22:13,510
>> Thank you. That brings us to uh

3056
02:22:13,510 --> 02:22:13,520
» Thank you. That brings us to uh

3057
02:22:13,520 --> 02:22:15,600
communication from the city manager, Mr.

3058
02:22:15,600 --> 02:22:16,960
Bellman.

3059
02:22:16,960 --> 02:22:19,990
>> I have none this evening.

3060
02:22:19,990 --> 02:22:20,000
» I have none this evening.

3061
02:22:20,000 --> 02:22:25,830
>> Okay. Um that brings us to item 3.1.

3062
02:22:25,830 --> 02:22:25,840
» Okay. Um that brings us to item 3.1.

3063
02:22:25,840 --> 02:22:35,429
Is there a motion concerning item 3.1?

3064
02:22:35,439 --> 02:22:37,920
I'll move that

3065
02:22:37,920 --> 02:22:40,389
>> Mike.

3066
02:22:40,389 --> 02:22:40,399
» Mike.

3067
02:22:40,399 --> 02:22:42,309
>> I'll move that we go into a close

3068
02:22:42,309 --> 02:22:42,319
» I'll move that we go into a close

3069
02:22:42,319 --> 02:22:44,160
session to discuss and consult with the

3070
02:22:44,160 --> 02:22:46,000
city's attorneys regarding privilege and

3071
02:22:46,000 --> 02:22:48,080
confidential attorney client legal

3072
02:22:48,080 --> 02:22:49,760
correspondence that is exempt from

3073
02:22:49,760 --> 02:22:53,600
disclosure by state law under MCL 15.243

3074
02:22:53,600 --> 02:22:58,080
243 PN1 PN lowerase G as allowed under

3075
02:22:58,080 --> 02:23:02,319
SE subsection 8 PN1 lowercase H of the

3076
02:23:02,319 --> 02:23:04,880
Michigan Open Meetings Act.

3077
02:23:04,880 --> 02:23:08,389
>> Uh motion by Meadows, second by Whan. Uh

3078
02:23:08,389 --> 02:23:08,399
» Uh motion by Meadows, second by Whan. Uh

3079
02:23:08,399 --> 02:23:10,479
roll call vote, please.

3080
02:23:10,479 --> 02:23:11,750
>> Council member Whan,

3081
02:23:11,750 --> 02:23:11,760
» Council member Whan,

3082
02:23:11,760 --> 02:23:12,150
>> yes.

3083
02:23:12,150 --> 02:23:12,160
» yes.

3084
02:23:12,160 --> 02:23:14,230
>> Council member Meadows. Council member

3085
02:23:14,230 --> 02:23:14,240
» Council member Meadows. Council member

3086
02:23:14,240 --> 02:23:15,439
Singh,

3087
02:23:15,439 --> 02:23:17,349
>> yes. Mayor Prom Griggsby,

3088
02:23:17,349 --> 02:23:17,359
» yes. Mayor Prom Griggsby,

3089
02:23:17,359 --> 02:23:17,670
>> yes.

3090
02:23:17,670 --> 02:23:17,680
» yes.

3091
02:23:17,680 --> 02:23:18,550
>> Mayor Alman,

3092
02:23:18,550 --> 02:23:18,560
» Mayor Alman,

3093
02:23:18,560 --> 02:23:19,910
>> yes.

3094
02:23:19,910 --> 02:23:19,920
» yes.

3095
02:23:19,920 --> 03:26:02,150
>> We are adjourned to close session.

3096
03:26:02,160 --> 03:26:05,887
Okay, we are back in open session. Um,

3097
03:26:05,887 --> 03:26:08,150
[clears throat]

3098
03:26:08,160 --> 03:26:10,479
next item on our agenda is discussion of

3099
03:26:10,479 --> 03:26:13,040
police and fire updates.

3100
03:26:13,040 --> 03:26:15,439
Uh, we'll start with uh, interim Chief

3101
03:26:15,439 --> 03:26:18,399
Newman from the fire department.

3102
03:26:18,399 --> 03:26:20,710
>> Mayor, Council, thanks again for having

3103
03:26:20,710 --> 03:26:20,720
» Mayor, Council, thanks again for having

3104
03:26:20,720 --> 03:26:22,960
me. John Newman, interim chief fire

3105
03:26:22,960 --> 03:26:25,920
department.

3106
03:26:25,920 --> 03:26:28,000
I know that last month I had made

3107
03:26:28,000 --> 03:26:30,479
mention that we had a uh young

3108
03:26:30,479 --> 03:26:33,040
firefighter paramedic who was separating

3109
03:26:33,040 --> 03:26:34,720
after just a matter of a few years to go

3110
03:26:34,720 --> 03:26:38,239
raise a family. Well, Genevieve was born

3111
03:26:38,239 --> 03:26:41,040
uh on Mother's Day. So, I wanted to make

3112
03:26:41,040 --> 03:26:42,479
sure to at least close that

3113
03:26:42,479 --> 03:26:44,160
conversation. Things are successfully

3114
03:26:44,160 --> 03:26:47,760
moving forward for uh Julia and Chris

3115
03:26:47,760 --> 03:26:49,680
and Genevieve. And I just wanted to

3116
03:26:49,680 --> 03:26:51,279
close that piece out right at the

3117
03:26:51,279 --> 03:27:02,229
beginning of the presentation.

3118
03:27:02,239 --> 03:27:05,200
uh [clears throat] following the uh

3119
03:27:05,200 --> 03:27:08,560
Wells Hall event that we had responded

3120
03:27:08,560 --> 03:27:12,080
to uh with MSU Police Department, uh we

3121
03:27:12,080 --> 03:27:14,640
wound up actually having three different

3122
03:27:14,640 --> 03:27:17,520
hazmat events on campus within the last

3123
03:27:17,520 --> 03:27:20,720
one month period. Uh there was the Wells

3124
03:27:20,720 --> 03:27:22,800
Hall event and then there was this uh

3125
03:27:22,800 --> 03:27:25,520
event here at the MSU regional chilled

3126
03:27:25,520 --> 03:27:28,800
water plant. This was actually uh the

3127
03:27:28,800 --> 03:27:30,560
deputy chief on duty that day activated

3128
03:27:30,560 --> 03:27:33,520
this as a metro hazmat response due to

3129
03:27:33,520 --> 03:27:35,359
the fact of the chemical mixtures within

3130
03:27:35,359 --> 03:27:38,080
the building. The MSU employees had

3131
03:27:38,080 --> 03:27:39,520
reported that there was a liquid

3132
03:27:39,520 --> 03:27:42,000
chlorine spill along with a hydrofuloric

3133
03:27:42,000 --> 03:27:45,120
acid spill and that creates a toxic

3134
03:27:45,120 --> 03:27:48,560
corrosive poisonous gas uh chlorine gas.

3135
03:27:48,560 --> 03:27:51,680
They had evacuated with uh minor

3136
03:27:51,680 --> 03:27:55,279
irritation from the gas and then we had

3137
03:27:55,279 --> 03:27:57,120
the response from the metro team to

3138
03:27:57,120 --> 03:28:00,319
actually enter and make sure that we had

3139
03:28:00,319 --> 03:28:03,040
the the spill evaluated so they knew the

3140
03:28:03,040 --> 03:28:05,680
content the quantity of the content as

3141
03:28:05,680 --> 03:28:07,520
well as making sure that if it needed to

3142
03:28:07,520 --> 03:28:10,720
be damned or uh mitigated in any way

3143
03:28:10,720 --> 03:28:13,040
they could get that accomplished before

3144
03:28:13,040 --> 03:28:15,359
uh any type of contract uh cleanup

3145
03:28:15,359 --> 03:28:17,920
occurred and also limit any type of

3146
03:28:17,920 --> 03:28:20,319
exposure to anybody else. But it was

3147
03:28:20,319 --> 03:28:23,920
just a uh I had stated at media meetings

3148
03:28:23,920 --> 03:28:26,800
prior that sometimes there is no reason

3149
03:28:26,800 --> 03:28:29,920
for the change in calls or the volumes

3150
03:28:29,920 --> 03:28:32,960
of calls and it just played out that way

3151
03:28:32,960 --> 03:28:34,640
that there were three hazmat calls that

3152
03:28:34,640 --> 03:28:37,359
we responded to within a 30-day period

3153
03:28:37,359 --> 03:28:39,200
on campus.

3154
03:28:39,200 --> 03:28:42,479
Uh the last one I'm referencing as as

3155
03:28:42,479 --> 03:28:44,960
the three the last one was today. Uh

3156
03:28:44,960 --> 03:28:48,080
there was a uh complication today with

3157
03:28:48,080 --> 03:28:50,000
the nitrogen

3158
03:28:50,000 --> 03:28:52,080
gas that's utilized at the chemistry

3159
03:28:52,080 --> 03:28:53,920
building to control environments for

3160
03:28:53,920 --> 03:28:55,680
their

3161
03:28:55,680 --> 03:28:57,279
experiments and studies that they do,

3162
03:28:57,279 --> 03:28:58,960
the graduate students do within

3163
03:28:58,960 --> 03:29:02,960
chemistry building. They utilize uh

3164
03:29:02,960 --> 03:29:06,000
reactive metals in their studies and the

3165
03:29:06,000 --> 03:29:07,520
one thing about those reactive metals is

3166
03:29:07,520 --> 03:29:11,840
they can't be exposed to oxygen and so

3167
03:29:11,840 --> 03:29:16,319
put them in a testing uh cage uh

3168
03:29:16,319 --> 03:29:18,560
container and then they completely

3169
03:29:18,560 --> 03:29:22,319
envelop it with nitrogen to make it an

3170
03:29:22,319 --> 03:29:24,880
oxygen deprived atmosphere. Well, there

3171
03:29:24,880 --> 03:29:26,479
was a complication with that today. they

3172
03:29:26,479 --> 03:29:29,520
were actually running out of nitrogen uh

3173
03:29:29,520 --> 03:29:31,760
with multiple tests going on. So, we

3174
03:29:31,760 --> 03:29:33,439
actually were on site for that in order

3175
03:29:33,439 --> 03:29:34,720
to make sure that we didn't have any

3176
03:29:34,720 --> 03:29:39,279
reactive medical metals uh beginning to

3177
03:29:39,279 --> 03:29:41,120
combust until they had everything

3178
03:29:41,120 --> 03:29:43,439
mitigated and had the uh nitrogen back

3179
03:29:43,439 --> 03:29:45,120
in place. So, that one actually turned

3180
03:29:45,120 --> 03:29:46,720
out to be not so much a concern of the

3181
03:29:46,720 --> 03:29:49,600
gas as the reactive metals that were in

3182
03:29:49,600 --> 03:29:52,520
the building.

3183
03:29:52,520 --> 03:29:53,110
>> [cough]

3184
03:29:53,110 --> 03:29:53,120
» [cough]

3185
03:29:53,120 --> 03:29:55,830
>> The next photo on the next slide just

3186
03:29:55,830 --> 03:29:55,840
» The next photo on the next slide just

3187
03:29:55,840 --> 03:29:58,080
shows two of the two of the staff. Uh

3188
03:29:58,080 --> 03:30:01,680
they're in their one-sizefits-all suits.

3189
03:30:01,680 --> 03:30:04,000
I thought that the uh picture actually

3190
03:30:04,000 --> 03:30:06,080
did justice. The individual on the left

3191
03:30:06,080 --> 03:30:07,600
has a smaller stature than the one on

3192
03:30:07,600 --> 03:30:09,840
the right. uh but yet in the same size

3193
03:30:09,840 --> 03:30:12,080
suit and then they are going to be

3194
03:30:12,080 --> 03:30:14,239
entering that space through that uh door

3195
03:30:14,239 --> 03:30:16,560
there in order to monitor the airspace

3196
03:30:16,560 --> 03:30:21,110
within that room.

3197
03:30:21,120 --> 03:30:23,279
Outside of the report that I had

3198
03:30:23,279 --> 03:30:25,120
presented separately to you, the written

3199
03:30:25,120 --> 03:30:27,040
report that I left for you to just have

3200
03:30:27,040 --> 03:30:28,640
the information without reading all that

3201
03:30:28,640 --> 03:30:31,920
information to you. Uh this page here, I

3202
03:30:31,920 --> 03:30:35,520
added data as you had requested in

3203
03:30:35,520 --> 03:30:38,160
comparison with previous years.

3204
03:30:38,160 --> 03:30:40,080
Now I

3205
03:30:40,080 --> 03:30:42,399
built this basically on a guess. Not

3206
03:30:42,399 --> 03:30:44,239
certain exactly the information that you

3207
03:30:44,239 --> 03:30:46,880
were looking for. But what I want to

3208
03:30:46,880 --> 03:30:49,359
know from you, I need feedback uh from

3209
03:30:49,359 --> 03:30:51,040
you. Is this the data that you are

3210
03:30:51,040 --> 03:30:54,479
looking to obtain and review? Is there

3211
03:30:54,479 --> 03:30:56,399
additional data that you want? Is there

3212
03:30:56,399 --> 03:30:58,239
a different format that you want to

3213
03:30:58,239 --> 03:31:01,920
receive it? We can we can adjust what we

3214
03:31:01,920 --> 03:31:05,680
what we need to do with this.

3215
03:31:05,680 --> 03:31:08,960
Uh you can see within the within the

3216
03:31:08,960 --> 03:31:11,200
report that's in here, I did include in

3217
03:31:11,200 --> 03:31:13,760
there uh mutual aid that was provided

3218
03:31:13,760 --> 03:31:16,640
outside of the city as well as mutual

3219
03:31:16,640 --> 03:31:19,040
aid received within the city. And you'll

3220
03:31:19,040 --> 03:31:20,479
see that those numbers are quite a bit

3221
03:31:20,479 --> 03:31:27,990
different uh over the last three years.

3222
03:31:28,000 --> 03:31:29,520
» Could you could you point to those in

3223
03:31:29,520 --> 03:31:30,640
the bullets the

3224
03:31:30,640 --> 03:31:31,510
>> in the bullet points?

3225
03:31:31,510 --> 03:31:31,520
» in the bullet points?

3226
03:31:31,520 --> 03:31:32,469
>> Yeah. So [clears throat] the

3227
03:31:32,469 --> 03:31:32,479
» Yeah. So [clears throat] the

3228
03:31:32,479 --> 03:31:36,309
>> so if you're down the the uh top half of

3229
03:31:36,309 --> 03:31:36,319
» so if you're down the the uh top half of

3230
03:31:36,319 --> 03:31:39,600
each one is specific to EMS calls and if

3231
03:31:39,600 --> 03:31:42,560
you go to the four bullet points inset

3232
03:31:42,560 --> 03:31:44,239
bullet points and you go towards the

3233
03:31:44,239 --> 03:31:48,720
bottom for 2026 there were 17 EMS calls

3234
03:31:48,720 --> 03:31:51,840
that we responded to outside of the city

3235
03:31:51,840 --> 03:31:52,640
of East Lancing.

3236
03:31:52,640 --> 03:31:53,110
>> Got it.

3237
03:31:53,110 --> 03:31:53,120
» Got it.

3238
03:31:53,120 --> 03:31:55,110
>> And there were two that we received

3239
03:31:55,110 --> 03:31:55,120
» And there were two that we received

3240
03:31:55,120 --> 03:31:56,960
mutual aid within the city for that we

3241
03:31:56,960 --> 03:31:58,319
could not cover.

3242
03:31:58,319 --> 03:31:59,910
>> So there's a big imbalance there. But

3243
03:31:59,910 --> 03:31:59,920
» So there's a big imbalance there. But

3244
03:31:59,920 --> 03:32:03,680
there's a that was just for 2026. If you

3245
03:32:03,680 --> 03:32:06,319
go to 2024,

3246
03:32:06,319 --> 03:32:09,190
>> we had 18 that we responded to and 13

3247
03:32:09,190 --> 03:32:09,200
» we had 18 that we responded to and 13

3248
03:32:09,200 --> 03:32:11,439
that we received assistance for. Much

3249
03:32:11,439 --> 03:32:15,920
closer much closer uh paradigm in there.

3250
03:32:15,920 --> 03:32:19,279
Now 25 is even uh more of a mark

3251
03:32:19,279 --> 03:32:24,710
difference than 26.

3252
03:32:24,720 --> 03:32:26,479
So, if there's a long-term imbalance

3253
03:32:26,479 --> 03:32:28,160
there,

3254
03:32:28,160 --> 03:32:29,750
>> well, we'll know that as we continue to

3255
03:32:29,750 --> 03:32:29,760
» well, we'll know that as we continue to

3256
03:32:29,760 --> 03:32:31,200
move forward collecting that data for

3257
03:32:31,200 --> 03:32:31,439
you.

3258
03:32:31,439 --> 03:32:32,950
>> Yep.

3259
03:32:32,950 --> 03:32:32,960
» Yep.

3260
03:32:32,960 --> 03:32:34,389
>> So, I think I was the one who had asked

3261
03:32:34,389 --> 03:32:34,399
» So, I think I was the one who had asked

3262
03:32:34,399 --> 03:32:36,560
for this year-over-year data.

3263
03:32:36,560 --> 03:32:38,389
>> I would

3264
03:32:38,389 --> 03:32:38,399
» I would

3265
03:32:38,399 --> 03:32:41,200
I would wager that we're going to see a

3266
03:32:41,200 --> 03:32:43,920
shift on that the opposite direction

3267
03:32:43,920 --> 03:32:45,840
come August, September, and October.

3268
03:32:45,840 --> 03:32:48,870
>> Got it. Yep. Okay.

3269
03:32:48,870 --> 03:32:48,880
» Got it. Yep. Okay.

3270
03:32:48,880 --> 03:32:51,429
>> Just with call volume. So these are

3271
03:32:51,429 --> 03:32:51,439
» Just with call volume. So these are

3272
03:32:51,439 --> 03:32:52,720
monthly stats.

3273
03:32:52,720 --> 03:32:53,190
>> Yes.

3274
03:32:53,190 --> 03:32:53,200
» Yes.

3275
03:32:53,200 --> 03:32:53,590
>> Okay.

3276
03:32:53,590 --> 03:32:53,600
» Okay.

3277
03:32:53,600 --> 03:32:56,150
>> Yes. These are specific to April of each

3278
03:32:56,150 --> 03:32:56,160
» Yes. These are specific to April of each

3279
03:32:56,160 --> 03:32:57,200
each year.

3280
03:32:57,200 --> 03:32:58,790
>> So it'll be useful to track that over

3281
03:32:58,790 --> 03:32:58,800
» So it'll be useful to track that over

3282
03:32:58,800 --> 03:33:00,640
the months because it could reverse

3283
03:33:00,640 --> 03:33:02,309
>> and you'll be able to see that see that

3284
03:33:02,309 --> 03:33:02,319
» and you'll be able to see that see that

3285
03:33:02,319 --> 03:33:04,080
as we move forward. And we can do that.

3286
03:33:04,080 --> 03:33:07,439
We we can show comparison with uh six

3287
03:33:07,439 --> 03:33:10,560
month difference as we move forward and

3288
03:33:10,560 --> 03:33:14,399
still equate that with varying years.

3289
03:33:14,399 --> 03:33:16,630
>> Yep. I think this is great. This is kind

3290
03:33:16,630 --> 03:33:16,640
» Yep. I think this is great. This is kind

3291
03:33:16,640 --> 03:33:18,080
of what I was envisioning when I asked.

3292
03:33:18,080 --> 03:33:18,239
Kind of

3293
03:33:18,239 --> 03:33:19,510
>> what you were looking for. All right.

3294
03:33:19,510 --> 03:33:19,520
» what you were looking for. All right.

3295
03:33:19,520 --> 03:33:22,640
Thanks. Uh it's been interesting looking

3296
03:33:22,640 --> 03:33:26,720
at the data. One of the items that I had

3297
03:33:26,720 --> 03:33:29,120
discussed with Mr. Bellman today during

3298
03:33:29,120 --> 03:33:33,760
our face toface was uh we had a response

3299
03:33:33,760 --> 03:33:36,720
uh that we provided outside of the city

3300
03:33:36,720 --> 03:33:39,279
with uh automatic aid to BA Township for

3301
03:33:39,279 --> 03:33:42,160
the fire at village uh village at

3302
03:33:42,160 --> 03:33:44,239
Chandler Crossing.

3303
03:33:44,239 --> 03:33:45,680
And one of the things that was

3304
03:33:45,680 --> 03:33:47,359
identified

3305
03:33:47,359 --> 03:33:51,600
with that event alone was

3306
03:33:51,600 --> 03:33:54,160
the frequency that we are working with

3307
03:33:54,160 --> 03:33:57,600
those fire events with Meridian

3308
03:33:57,600 --> 03:34:00,960
Township, Bath Township and making sure

3309
03:34:00,960 --> 03:34:05,200
that we have policies, tasks,

3310
03:34:05,200 --> 03:34:06,800
uh,

3311
03:34:06,800 --> 03:34:08,720
directives that are given over radio

3312
03:34:08,720 --> 03:34:11,040
communication that everything is equal

3313
03:34:11,040 --> 03:34:13,680
and mirrors each other. So any changes

3314
03:34:13,680 --> 03:34:15,040
or differences that there might be with

3315
03:34:15,040 --> 03:34:16,560
a different department, we need to make

3316
03:34:16,560 --> 03:34:19,760
sure that our training reflects that

3317
03:34:19,760 --> 03:34:22,239
information and we bring things in in

3318
03:34:22,239 --> 03:34:24,720
line so that everybody is working off

3319
03:34:24,720 --> 03:34:26,800
the same page.

3320
03:34:26,800 --> 03:34:28,640
Now that that's been identified, we will

3321
03:34:28,640 --> 03:34:30,880
be working towards holding joint

3322
03:34:30,880 --> 03:34:33,920
training sessions together with the

3323
03:34:33,920 --> 03:34:36,160
departments, not just within our own

3324
03:34:36,160 --> 03:34:37,600
department, but with outside departments

3325
03:34:37,600 --> 03:34:39,439
and bring that together and try to marry

3326
03:34:39,439 --> 03:34:41,520
those those tasks and those services

3327
03:34:41,520 --> 03:34:43,600
together.

3328
03:34:43,600 --> 03:34:45,840
But outside of that,

3329
03:34:45,840 --> 03:34:48,319
uh that's a brief bullet point of what

3330
03:34:48,319 --> 03:34:49,600
we've been doing at the fire department

3331
03:34:49,600 --> 03:34:53,439
for the last month. Uh we do have

3332
03:34:53,439 --> 03:34:57,200
testing for one new higher position

3333
03:34:57,200 --> 03:34:59,200
uh next

3334
03:34:59,200 --> 03:35:02,080
week. Yes, next week. So we will be

3335
03:35:02,080 --> 03:35:03,120
doing the written and the physical

3336
03:35:03,120 --> 03:35:06,160
agility and then we will be holding uh

3337
03:35:06,160 --> 03:35:08,319
the oral interviews after that to fill

3338
03:35:08,319 --> 03:35:10,319
that one position. So we are actively

3339
03:35:10,319 --> 03:35:12,560
working forward to get that position

3340
03:35:12,560 --> 03:35:13,760
filled.

3341
03:35:13,760 --> 03:35:16,710
>> Questions for Mr. Newman, Mr. Willen.

3342
03:35:16,710 --> 03:35:16,720
» Questions for Mr. Newman, Mr. Willen.

3343
03:35:16,720 --> 03:35:19,590
>> Um maybe it's a more of a comment. I

3344
03:35:19,590 --> 03:35:19,600
» Um maybe it's a more of a comment. I

3345
03:35:19,600 --> 03:35:22,000
actually had um someone talked to me

3346
03:35:22,000 --> 03:35:24,399
about the fire up in Bath and it was

3347
03:35:24,399 --> 03:35:26,399
very imp they they were very impressed

3348
03:35:26,399 --> 03:35:28,800
with the multi-

3349
03:35:28,800 --> 03:35:30,880
unit where different counties, different

3350
03:35:30,880 --> 03:35:32,800
cities, the fact that everyone worked

3351
03:35:32,800 --> 03:35:35,520
really well together that helps us if we

3352
03:35:35,520 --> 03:35:36,960
have an issue also. Mhm.

3353
03:35:36,960 --> 03:35:40,309
>> So I think the coordination with within

3354
03:35:40,309 --> 03:35:40,319
» So I think the coordination with within

3355
03:35:40,319 --> 03:35:42,080
the departments is impressive and I'm

3356
03:35:42,080 --> 03:35:44,880
glad for that. Thank you.

3357
03:35:44,880 --> 03:35:47,269
>> I do have a comment if I can. I just

3358
03:35:47,269 --> 03:35:47,279
» I do have a comment if I can. I just

3359
03:35:47,279 --> 03:35:50,080
want to I really want to compliment uh

3360
03:35:50,080 --> 03:35:53,279
you on on bringing these departments

3361
03:35:53,279 --> 03:35:56,160
together in a training for training. I

3362
03:35:56,160 --> 03:35:58,080
mean, that was one of the issues I want

3363
03:35:58,080 --> 03:35:59,680
to say. I don't remember how many years

3364
03:35:59,680 --> 03:36:02,399
ago it was when we talked about

3365
03:36:02,399 --> 03:36:04,479
combining Meridian Township and East

3366
03:36:04,479 --> 03:36:08,080
Lancing's uh fire departments. Uh there

3367
03:36:08,080 --> 03:36:10,720
was a huge disparity in training at that

3368
03:36:10,720 --> 03:36:13,840
point in time. And obviously, our fire

3369
03:36:13,840 --> 03:36:15,520
department responds [clears throat] to

3370
03:36:15,520 --> 03:36:19,680
things like a hazmat uh issue that other

3371
03:36:19,680 --> 03:36:21,920
departments locally probably don't have

3372
03:36:21,920 --> 03:36:24,640
to train for. So, uh, having that joint

3373
03:36:24,640 --> 03:36:26,319
training, I think, is extremely

3374
03:36:26,319 --> 03:36:29,040
important and also means that we'll

3375
03:36:29,040 --> 03:36:31,760
have, uh, equally trained individuals

3376
03:36:31,760 --> 03:36:33,200
responding because we're going to be

3377
03:36:33,200 --> 03:36:34,560
back up or

3378
03:36:34,560 --> 03:36:34,950
>> right,

3379
03:36:34,950 --> 03:36:34,960
» right,

3380
03:36:34,960 --> 03:36:37,349
>> first in on, you know, any number of

3381
03:36:37,349 --> 03:36:37,359
» first in on, you know, any number of

3382
03:36:37,359 --> 03:36:38,720
things over the years. So, my

3383
03:36:38,720 --> 03:36:40,239
compliments to you and getting that

3384
03:36:40,239 --> 03:36:42,239
done. That was great,

3385
03:36:42,239 --> 03:36:44,550
>> Mr. Griggsby.

3386
03:36:44,550 --> 03:36:44,560
» Mr. Griggsby.

3387
03:36:44,560 --> 03:36:47,110
>> Yeah, he just stole all my thunder. Uh,

3388
03:36:47,110 --> 03:36:47,120
» Yeah, he just stole all my thunder. Uh,

3389
03:36:47,120 --> 03:36:50,239
literally words out of my mouth. Um, I

3390
03:36:50,239 --> 03:36:52,720
thank you for for doing this. I I just

3391
03:36:52,720 --> 03:36:55,120
want to be appreciative of the work that

3392
03:36:55,120 --> 03:36:56,720
it takes for you to kind of get prepared

3393
03:36:56,720 --> 03:36:59,040
for this, present to us, get this

3394
03:36:59,040 --> 03:37:01,120
information, get do the work that's not,

3395
03:37:01,120 --> 03:37:02,800
you know, that's not necessarily in

3396
03:37:02,800 --> 03:37:04,880
front of people. And I just want to ask

3397
03:37:04,880 --> 03:37:08,000
you in these presentations, do you feel

3398
03:37:08,000 --> 03:37:09,520
like the work you put into it, the

3399
03:37:09,520 --> 03:37:12,640
energy and the time that uh the benefit

3400
03:37:12,640 --> 03:37:15,840
of doing this going forward is something

3401
03:37:15,840 --> 03:37:18,640
that's advantageous of your time and um

3402
03:37:18,640 --> 03:37:20,720
in and in in the frequency that we were

3403
03:37:20,720 --> 03:37:24,950
doing it in. Does that make sense?

3404
03:37:24,960 --> 03:37:27,520
» I do. I mean, it's a it it does take

3405
03:37:27,520 --> 03:37:29,840
some time, but the part of that is it

3406
03:37:29,840 --> 03:37:32,319
has been done in the past. So building

3407
03:37:32,319 --> 03:37:33,600
the foundation to move forward to be

3408
03:37:33,600 --> 03:37:34,640
able to continue to glean the

3409
03:37:34,640 --> 03:37:36,479
information over and over and over. Once

3410
03:37:36,479 --> 03:37:38,560
the system's built, it should flow and

3411
03:37:38,560 --> 03:37:42,080
we'll be able to gather that information

3412
03:37:42,080 --> 03:37:45,200
as we need it, not just on a on a report

3413
03:37:45,200 --> 03:37:47,920
basis to you once a once a month.

3414
03:37:47,920 --> 03:37:49,590
>> Yeah, that's that's my concern. I just

3415
03:37:49,590 --> 03:37:49,600
» Yeah, that's that's my concern. I just

3416
03:37:49,600 --> 03:37:50,720
want to really make sure I know I

3417
03:37:50,720 --> 03:37:52,800
benefit tremendously with just learning

3418
03:37:52,800 --> 03:37:54,960
so much of some of the inner workings

3419
03:37:54,960 --> 03:37:56,800
and some of the data that's been

3420
03:37:56,800 --> 03:37:58,479
presented. But I just want to make sure

3421
03:37:58,479 --> 03:38:01,120
on your side that you also feel that

3422
03:38:01,120 --> 03:38:02,880
this is a good investment for something

3423
03:38:02,880 --> 03:38:04,720
that you're creating in the system.

3424
03:38:04,720 --> 03:38:06,950
>> I'm finding information that I'm

3425
03:38:06,950 --> 03:38:06,960
» I'm finding information that I'm

3426
03:38:06,960 --> 03:38:10,160
utilizing on my in my own collection of

3427
03:38:10,160 --> 03:38:12,640
data. So there's there's pieces that I'm

3428
03:38:12,640 --> 03:38:15,200
looking at myself that I'm starting to

3429
03:38:15,200 --> 03:38:17,200
collect that not necessarily are going

3430
03:38:17,200 --> 03:38:19,120
to mean anything currently, but they may

3431
03:38:19,120 --> 03:38:20,960
over time. But being able to see that

3432
03:38:20,960 --> 03:38:22,960
and and identify that, well, that's

3433
03:38:22,960 --> 03:38:24,080
something I didn't know.

3434
03:38:24,080 --> 03:38:26,389
>> Yeah. Maybe it'll give us some benefit

3435
03:38:26,389 --> 03:38:26,399
» Yeah. Maybe it'll give us some benefit

3436
03:38:26,399 --> 03:38:27,520
down the road.

3437
03:38:27,520 --> 03:38:29,590
>> Absolutely. Thank you,

3438
03:38:29,590 --> 03:38:29,600
» Absolutely. Thank you,

3439
03:38:29,600 --> 03:38:31,910
>> Council Member Singh.

3440
03:38:31,910 --> 03:38:31,920
» Council Member Singh.

3441
03:38:31,920 --> 03:38:33,750
>> Yeah. So, it's also, I think, helpful

3442
03:38:33,750 --> 03:38:33,760
» Yeah. So, it's also, I think, helpful

3443
03:38:33,760 --> 03:38:35,840
for the public to see trends. Um, it's

3444
03:38:35,840 --> 03:38:37,520
helpful for all of us to see trends over

3445
03:38:37,520 --> 03:38:41,359
time. And I'm looking at uh pretty steep

3446
03:38:41,359 --> 03:38:44,640
uptick in overall EMS calls in April 26

3447
03:38:44,640 --> 03:38:47,840
relative to April 25 and potentially al

3448
03:38:47,840 --> 03:38:49,680
also April 24. It'll be interesting to

3449
03:38:49,680 --> 03:38:51,279
see if that holds up over over the

3450
03:38:51,279 --> 03:38:51,680
months,

3451
03:38:51,680 --> 03:38:53,750
>> right? and see what see what changes as

3452
03:38:53,750 --> 03:38:53,760
» right? and see what see what changes as

3453
03:38:53,760 --> 03:38:54,720
we move forward.

3454
03:38:54,720 --> 03:38:56,070
>> Yeah. And I think that's real important

3455
03:38:56,070 --> 03:38:56,080
» Yeah. And I think that's real important

3456
03:38:56,080 --> 03:38:58,000
for the community to be able to see also

3457
03:38:58,000 --> 03:39:00,160
that the the burden on the fire

3458
03:39:00,160 --> 03:39:01,760
department keeps growing. So,

3459
03:39:01,760 --> 03:39:03,349
>> agreed. Agreed.

3460
03:39:03,349 --> 03:39:03,359
» agreed. Agreed.

3461
03:39:03,359 --> 03:39:05,110
>> So, thank you for your presentation.

3462
03:39:05,110 --> 03:39:05,120
» So, thank you for your presentation.

3463
03:39:05,120 --> 03:39:05,990
>> Thank you for your time.

3464
03:39:05,990 --> 03:39:06,000
» Thank you for your time.

3465
03:39:06,000 --> 03:39:11,110
>> All right. Thanks, Chief. Good night.

3466
03:39:11,120 --> 03:39:12,880
Okay.

3467
03:39:12,880 --> 03:39:16,319
Chief Brown and Assistant Chief Craft

3468
03:39:16,319 --> 03:39:29,750
and Captain O'Hario, welcome.

3469
03:39:29,760 --> 03:39:31,920
Good evening, Mayor Alman, Mayor Potm

3470
03:39:31,920 --> 03:39:34,720
Gri Griggsby, and council members. Thank

3471
03:39:34,720 --> 03:39:36,239
you for the opportunity to provide an

3472
03:39:36,239 --> 03:39:38,000
update on several important initiatives

3473
03:39:38,000 --> 03:39:39,279
within the East Lancing Police

3474
03:39:39,279 --> 03:39:41,359
Department. Tonight, I will briefly

3475
03:39:41,359 --> 03:39:43,680
discuss hiring and promotions, training

3476
03:39:43,680 --> 03:39:46,000
initiatives, technology and transparency

3477
03:39:46,000 --> 03:39:48,000
efforts, department activity, and

3478
03:39:48,000 --> 03:39:50,399
community engagement. I am pleased to

3479
03:39:50,399 --> 03:39:52,160
announce the hiring of our newest police

3480
03:39:52,160 --> 03:39:54,560
officers, Officer Washington and Officer

3481
03:39:54,560 --> 03:39:56,720
Mosby, as well as the promotion of

3482
03:39:56,720 --> 03:39:58,960
Sergeant Woodruff. We also had one

3483
03:39:58,960 --> 03:40:00,800
individual start last week, Officer

3484
03:40:00,800 --> 03:40:03,359
Kendall Souls. I will be introducing

3485
03:40:03,359 --> 03:40:05,200
these new officers to you at the June

3486
03:40:05,200 --> 03:40:07,359
discussion only meeting. I was planning

3487
03:40:07,359 --> 03:40:09,040
to introduce them tonight, but Officer

3488
03:40:09,040 --> 03:40:12,160
Mosby had a military um obligation.

3489
03:40:12,160 --> 03:40:15,120
Currently, the department has 55

3490
03:40:15,120 --> 03:40:18,239
um budgeted officers and we're currently

3491
03:40:18,239 --> 03:40:20,800
staffed at 47. We have one officer in

3492
03:40:20,800 --> 03:40:22,960
the Washington Police Academy and five

3493
03:40:22,960 --> 03:40:25,439
other conditional offers extended to

3494
03:40:25,439 --> 03:40:27,520
potential candidates.

3495
03:40:27,520 --> 03:40:29,040
Training continues to be a major

3496
03:40:29,040 --> 03:40:31,520
priority from our department. Last week,

3497
03:40:31,520 --> 03:40:33,680
our personnel participated in a two-day

3498
03:40:33,680 --> 03:40:36,080
training led by Joe Samaro. He is a

3499
03:40:36,080 --> 03:40:38,560
nationally recognized speaker. We

3500
03:40:38,560 --> 03:40:40,720
actually had two two-day sessions of

3501
03:40:40,720 --> 03:40:42,720
training that focused on deescalation,

3502
03:40:42,720 --> 03:40:44,399
trauma recognition, and mental

3503
03:40:44,399 --> 03:40:48,389
resilience.

3504
03:40:48,399 --> 03:40:50,000
As you're already aware, our command

3505
03:40:50,000 --> 03:40:52,000
staff completed training with Dr. Ike

3506
03:40:52,000 --> 03:40:54,319
McKinnon focused on ethical policing,

3507
03:40:54,319 --> 03:40:56,479
building trust, and professionalism in

3508
03:40:56,479 --> 03:40:58,800
leadership. And that same training is

3509
03:40:58,800 --> 03:41:01,200
now scheduled for all nonsupervisory

3510
03:41:01,200 --> 03:41:04,560
police personnel in July of 2026.

3511
03:41:04,560 --> 03:41:06,880
Lastly, all of our personnel completed

3512
03:41:06,880 --> 03:41:08,800
implicit bias training with Darnell

3513
03:41:08,800 --> 03:41:11,359
Blackbird and we're already looking into

3514
03:41:11,359 --> 03:41:14,160
2027 and looking to bring nationally

3515
03:41:14,160 --> 03:41:16,080
recognized speakers like we'd done in

3516
03:41:16,080 --> 03:41:17,920
2026.

3517
03:41:17,920 --> 03:41:19,600
The department continues to invest in

3518
03:41:19,600 --> 03:41:21,760
technology that improves efficiency,

3519
03:41:21,760 --> 03:41:23,359
accountability, transparency, and

3520
03:41:23,359 --> 03:41:25,600
officer safety. We're currently working

3521
03:41:25,600 --> 03:41:27,439
with Axon on the development and

3522
03:41:27,439 --> 03:41:30,080
implementation of Axon standards. As

3523
03:41:30,080 --> 03:41:31,680
you've heard before, this platform will

3524
03:41:31,680 --> 03:41:33,600
help us streamline use of force

3525
03:41:33,600 --> 03:41:36,000
reporting and complaint tracking. We

3526
03:41:36,000 --> 03:41:38,080
still have a go live date for summer of

3527
03:41:38,080 --> 03:41:40,880
2026. Our team continues to meet with

3528
03:41:40,880 --> 03:41:43,040
Axon representatives on a weekly basis

3529
03:41:43,040 --> 03:41:44,399
to make sure that the system is

3530
03:41:44,399 --> 03:41:46,160
customized for our department needs and

3531
03:41:46,160 --> 03:41:48,960
best practices.

3532
03:41:48,960 --> 03:41:50,720
The next slide will provide a snapshot

3533
03:41:50,720 --> 03:41:52,560
of department activity comparing March

3534
03:41:52,560 --> 03:41:56,000
of 2026 to April of 2026 as well as a

3535
03:41:56,000 --> 03:41:58,560
yearover-year comparison from April of

3536
03:41:58,560 --> 03:42:02,160
25 to April of 26. So compared to March

3537
03:42:02,160 --> 03:42:09,190
of 26, in April we had an increased

3538
03:42:09,200 --> 03:42:13,279
by 32 and OWI arrest increased from 5 to

3539
03:42:13,279 --> 03:42:16,080
9. And then comparing those same numbers

3540
03:42:16,080 --> 03:42:18,560
to April of 2025,

3541
03:42:18,560 --> 03:42:22,160
we had calls increase by 132, traffic

3542
03:42:22,160 --> 03:42:24,960
stops by 74, and a slight decrease in

3543
03:42:24,960 --> 03:42:28,640
OWI arrests. In April, we had six

3544
03:42:28,640 --> 03:42:31,120
warnings for loud exhaust on vehicles,

3545
03:42:31,120 --> 03:42:33,600
and one citation was issued for loud

3546
03:42:33,600 --> 03:42:35,359
exhaust.

3547
03:42:35,359 --> 03:42:37,279
Community engagement continues to be one

3548
03:42:37,279 --> 03:42:38,880
of our priorities and over the past

3549
03:42:38,880 --> 03:42:40,560
several months, our officers and staff

3550
03:42:40,560 --> 03:42:42,800
have have participated in numerous

3551
03:42:42,800 --> 03:42:44,399
community events and outreach

3552
03:42:44,399 --> 03:42:46,479
initiatives. Some of those recent

3553
03:42:46,479 --> 03:42:49,600
examples include our participation in

3554
03:42:49,600 --> 03:42:52,720
the Kuanas egg hunt at Patre Park and

3555
03:42:52,720 --> 03:42:54,800
our attendance at the Tech Ford men of

3556
03:42:54,800 --> 03:42:57,520
color recruiting event which occurred um

3557
03:42:57,520 --> 03:42:59,200
or highlighted careers in trades,

3558
03:42:59,200 --> 03:43:01,760
technology, and public service.

3559
03:43:01,760 --> 03:43:03,840
We also had a successful completion of

3560
03:43:03,840 --> 03:43:06,880
our 2026 Citizen Police Academy where we

3561
03:43:06,880 --> 03:43:10,479
had 19 individuals um graduate.

3562
03:43:10,479 --> 03:43:13,520
Even during periods of staffing shortage

3563
03:43:13,520 --> 03:43:15,760
shortages and increased demands for

3564
03:43:15,760 --> 03:43:17,439
service, our team continues to

3565
03:43:17,439 --> 03:43:19,359
prioritize public safety and community

3566
03:43:19,359 --> 03:43:21,760
partnership. Our community expects when

3567
03:43:21,760 --> 03:43:23,520
they call 911 that they'll receive

3568
03:43:23,520 --> 03:43:26,239
quality service in a timely manner. One

3569
03:43:26,239 --> 03:43:28,319
example of this is um over the last

3570
03:43:28,319 --> 03:43:30,160
month we've had two separate swatting

3571
03:43:30,160 --> 03:43:32,239
calls at the East Lancing High School.

3572
03:43:32,239 --> 03:43:34,960
These incidents um very quickly absorb

3573
03:43:34,960 --> 03:43:37,199
all of our resources and often require

3574
03:43:37,199 --> 03:43:39,600
assistance from other agencies. And so

3575
03:43:39,600 --> 03:43:42,319
even with staffing shortages um we

3576
03:43:42,319 --> 03:43:46,239
responded to those calls and um had a

3577
03:43:46,239 --> 03:43:48,399
successful end to those. So again, thank

3578
03:43:48,399 --> 03:43:50,000
you for the opportunity to provide this

3579
03:43:50,000 --> 03:43:51,840
update and I'd be happy to answer any

3580
03:43:51,840 --> 03:43:54,319
questions that you may have. questions

3581
03:43:54,319 --> 03:43:55,840
for the chief.

3582
03:43:55,840 --> 03:43:56,870
>> Mr. Griggsby.

3583
03:43:56,870 --> 03:43:56,880
» Mr. Griggsby.

3584
03:43:56,880 --> 03:43:58,870
>> Yes, thank you. Uh thank you for the

3585
03:43:58,870 --> 03:43:58,880
» Yes, thank you. Uh thank you for the

3586
03:43:58,880 --> 03:44:01,199
report and thank you for all coming in

3587
03:44:01,199 --> 03:44:06,080
tonight. Um um as you know uh we have uh

3588
03:44:06,080 --> 03:44:10,720
a big community um incident in our uh

3589
03:44:10,720 --> 03:44:13,120
that we are dealing with that you're

3590
03:44:13,120 --> 03:44:15,199
dealing with we're all dealing with and

3591
03:44:15,199 --> 03:44:19,439
I had a few questions um and um you know

3592
03:44:19,439 --> 03:44:22,479
these are questions that I think

3593
03:44:22,479 --> 03:44:25,600
hopefully can start giving um at least

3594
03:44:25,600 --> 03:44:28,560
me um some understanding about what I

3595
03:44:28,560 --> 03:44:30,880
don't know and how it works from your

3596
03:44:30,880 --> 03:44:32,399
perspective.

3597
03:44:32,399 --> 03:44:36,239
um in a baseline way. And I apologize if

3598
03:44:36,239 --> 03:44:38,080
my question

3599
03:44:38,080 --> 03:44:42,160
questions are um I don't know not the

3600
03:44:42,160 --> 03:44:44,479
best questions. So work with me here uh

3601
03:44:44,479 --> 03:44:47,040
in regards to that. But

3602
03:44:47,040 --> 03:44:50,080
um my first question is

3603
03:44:50,080 --> 03:44:52,960
can you walk me through

3604
03:44:52,960 --> 03:44:55,359
like the deadly force policy like in

3605
03:44:55,359 --> 03:44:57,359
plain language as best you can you know

3606
03:44:57,359 --> 03:44:59,920
specifically to what must officers

3607
03:44:59,920 --> 03:45:02,319
reasonably believe

3608
03:45:02,319 --> 03:45:05,040
before deadly force is authorized.

3609
03:45:05,040 --> 03:45:07,990
>> Um I just don't know how that works.

3610
03:45:07,990 --> 03:45:08,000
» Um I just don't know how that works.

3611
03:45:08,000 --> 03:45:10,389
>> Sure. Again, we can't get into specific

3612
03:45:10,389 --> 03:45:10,399
» Sure. Again, we can't get into specific

3613
03:45:10,399 --> 03:45:12,800
details of the case, but broadly, um,

3614
03:45:12,800 --> 03:45:14,160
first of all, I want to draw attention

3615
03:45:14,160 --> 03:45:16,640
that all of our policies and procedures

3616
03:45:16,640 --> 03:45:18,640
are accessible to the public. They are

3617
03:45:18,640 --> 03:45:20,160
on our website. They're part of our

3618
03:45:20,160 --> 03:45:23,120
transparency page. Um, we have quite a

3619
03:45:23,120 --> 03:45:25,840
few policies and they're all accessible.

3620
03:45:25,840 --> 03:45:30,080
Um, in terms of our deadly force policy,

3621
03:45:30,080 --> 03:45:32,000
I first want to reiterate that all of

3622
03:45:32,000 --> 03:45:34,319
our response to resistance is governed

3623
03:45:34,319 --> 03:45:36,720
by case law, and that's Graham versus

3624
03:45:36,720 --> 03:45:39,520
Connor. Um so East Lancing Police

3625
03:45:39,520 --> 03:45:42,720
Department's uh officers are trained to

3626
03:45:42,720 --> 03:45:46,000
um assess three key items

3627
03:45:46,000 --> 03:45:47,920
um before making a decision to use

3628
03:45:47,920 --> 03:45:51,040
deadly force. And those three prongs are

3629
03:45:51,040 --> 03:45:53,279
the severity of the crime, whether

3630
03:45:53,279 --> 03:45:54,960
there's an immediate threat to the

3631
03:45:54,960 --> 03:45:57,199
public or to officers, and whether

3632
03:45:57,199 --> 03:45:59,680
there's ex um active resistance or

3633
03:45:59,680 --> 03:46:02,160
flight. And so that is what guides that

3634
03:46:02,160 --> 03:46:06,160
deadly force language.

3635
03:46:06,160 --> 03:46:09,910
>> Okay. Um

3636
03:46:09,910 --> 03:46:09,920
» Okay. Um

3637
03:46:09,920 --> 03:46:11,359
um I have some more questions. I don't

3638
03:46:11,359 --> 03:46:12,880
know if you guys have follow-ups. Can I

3639
03:46:12,880 --> 03:46:18,630
go ahead and keep Okay. Um so

3640
03:46:18,640 --> 03:46:21,120
can you help me understand? I'm trying

3641
03:46:21,120 --> 03:46:24,000
to distinguish between a person that is

3642
03:46:24,000 --> 03:46:27,439
armed and a person that presents

3643
03:46:27,439 --> 03:46:28,800
immediate threat. I don't know if

3644
03:46:28,800 --> 03:46:30,560
there's a proximity thing. I don't know

3645
03:46:30,560 --> 03:46:33,680
if there's, you know, a level of the

3646
03:46:33,680 --> 03:46:37,199
scenario or the or weapon or how can you

3647
03:46:37,199 --> 03:46:39,439
can you help me understand

3648
03:46:39,439 --> 03:46:41,120
um

3649
03:46:41,120 --> 03:46:42,800
at least how officers are trained or

3650
03:46:42,800 --> 03:46:46,399
what the policy may be in regards to

3651
03:46:46,399 --> 03:46:48,319
and I know some of this is very

3652
03:46:48,319 --> 03:46:50,319
situational and there's a little bit of

3653
03:46:50,319 --> 03:46:52,000
discretion involved with some of it I

3654
03:46:52,000 --> 03:46:54,239
would assume I guess with how that

3655
03:46:54,239 --> 03:46:56,479
works.

3656
03:46:56,479 --> 03:46:59,030
>> I can answer part of that question. Um

3657
03:46:59,030 --> 03:46:59,040
» I can answer part of that question. Um

3658
03:46:59,040 --> 03:47:01,040
the our our officers are trained to

3659
03:47:01,040 --> 03:47:04,080
assess each situation uh as it evolves.

3660
03:47:04,080 --> 03:47:06,479
Um and they take in that Graham v.

3661
03:47:06,479 --> 03:47:08,960
Connor uh case law into consideration

3662
03:47:08,960 --> 03:47:11,359
which they have had training on. Um our

3663
03:47:11,359 --> 03:47:13,359
officers all exceed the MCO's minimum

3664
03:47:13,359 --> 03:47:15,040
standard of training uh which is also

3665
03:47:15,040 --> 03:47:17,120
publicly available on the MCO's website

3666
03:47:17,120 --> 03:47:19,760
as well. Um but again just to reiterate

3667
03:47:19,760 --> 03:47:22,800
that uh to your question as you pose it,

3668
03:47:22,800 --> 03:47:24,640
they do take in the severity of the

3669
03:47:24,640 --> 03:47:26,560
crimes that they are investigating or

3670
03:47:26,560 --> 03:47:28,880
responding to. um the knowledge that

3671
03:47:28,880 --> 03:47:30,640
they actually have when they interact

3672
03:47:30,640 --> 03:47:32,960
with anybody. Uh it's not hindsight

3673
03:47:32,960 --> 03:47:35,040
2020. They are not judged on that. They

3674
03:47:35,040 --> 03:47:37,199
have to only what they know at the

3675
03:47:37,199 --> 03:47:39,600
actual time. Uh the immediiacy of the

3676
03:47:39,600 --> 03:47:41,840
threat uh not only to officers but to

3677
03:47:41,840 --> 03:47:44,399
the public and other people out in the

3678
03:47:44,399 --> 03:47:47,439
public and then just the um again act of

3679
03:47:47,439 --> 03:47:50,160
resistance or flight um of any person

3680
03:47:50,160 --> 03:47:52,160
that they deal with. So that's really

3681
03:47:52,160 --> 03:47:54,560
how they address that situation and as

3682
03:47:54,560 --> 03:47:56,319
you said it is very situational. they

3683
03:47:56,319 --> 03:47:57,760
have to take in the totality of the

3684
03:47:57,760 --> 03:48:00,160
circumstances um with the information

3685
03:48:00,160 --> 03:48:01,920
that they know and at times in law

3686
03:48:01,920 --> 03:48:02,880
enforcement you have to make

3687
03:48:02,880 --> 03:48:05,359
split-second decisions with very limited

3688
03:48:05,359 --> 03:48:07,520
information um and so that's how the

3689
03:48:07,520 --> 03:48:09,199
court views it again weighing very

3690
03:48:09,199 --> 03:48:11,760
heavily on the factors outlined within

3691
03:48:11,760 --> 03:48:13,359
that Supreme Court case of Grahamby

3692
03:48:13,359 --> 03:48:14,640
Connor

3693
03:48:14,640 --> 03:48:16,309
>> uh thank you and I know we have

3694
03:48:16,309 --> 03:48:16,319
» uh thank you and I know we have

3695
03:48:16,319 --> 03:48:18,560
independent investigation that's going

3696
03:48:18,560 --> 03:48:21,600
to look at all this and and and whatnot

3697
03:48:21,600 --> 03:48:23,520
but one of the most confusing things

3698
03:48:23,520 --> 03:48:27,359
from the video is the the

3699
03:48:27,359 --> 03:48:29,040
and I'll just say plain like there's

3700
03:48:29,040 --> 03:48:31,520
there's officers who are looking to do

3701
03:48:31,520 --> 03:48:34,239
non-lethal and then there's the lethal

3702
03:48:34,239 --> 03:48:37,040
aspect of that. And I I'm not quite

3703
03:48:37,040 --> 03:48:39,359
sure, you know, how that works in a live

3704
03:48:39,359 --> 03:48:41,199
situation as a person that sees this

3705
03:48:41,199 --> 03:48:44,640
video and sees two different types of

3706
03:48:44,640 --> 03:48:47,520
levels of response. And I I'm just

3707
03:48:47,520 --> 03:48:50,800
curious if if with respect to the

3708
03:48:50,800 --> 03:48:53,120
investigation if that could be addressed

3709
03:48:53,120 --> 03:48:54,319
or not.

3710
03:48:54,319 --> 03:48:56,239
Unfortunately, it can't be addressed. We

3711
03:48:56,239 --> 03:48:58,000
haven't interviewed officers and so we

3712
03:48:58,000 --> 03:49:01,120
don't know um the reasons for what they

3713
03:49:01,120 --> 03:49:02,960
did at the time of the incident. So

3714
03:49:02,960 --> 03:49:05,760
again, we can't speak to the specific

3715
03:49:05,760 --> 03:49:08,239
case. Um those are questions that would

3716
03:49:08,239 --> 03:49:09,439
have to be answered by the Michigan

3717
03:49:09,439 --> 03:49:13,750
State Police.

3718
03:49:13,760 --> 03:49:15,279
» Okay.

3719
03:49:15,279 --> 03:49:16,880
Um

3720
03:49:16,880 --> 03:49:19,840
and this may be similar. So, can you do

3721
03:49:19,840 --> 03:49:22,479
you have a general timeline of when EMS

3722
03:49:22,479 --> 03:49:25,760
was requested to the scene? Um, and the

3723
03:49:25,760 --> 03:49:28,399
timeline when the medical aid was

3724
03:49:28,399 --> 03:49:30,160
actually rendered because I from the

3725
03:49:30,160 --> 03:49:33,920
video it looked like there there was a a

3726
03:49:33,920 --> 03:49:36,720
a timeline thing there, but then in the

3727
03:49:36,720 --> 03:49:38,880
other footage it just seems like it

3728
03:49:38,880 --> 03:49:40,239
didn't match up. So, I'm just curious if

3729
03:49:40,239 --> 03:49:43,760
you have that information just yet with

3730
03:49:43,760 --> 03:49:46,319
kind of understanding when we had were

3731
03:49:46,319 --> 03:49:48,640
able to render aid to the individual

3732
03:49:48,640 --> 03:49:49,840
involved.

3733
03:49:49,840 --> 03:49:51,910
>> So, again, just speaking broadly, not to

3734
03:49:51,910 --> 03:49:51,920
» So, again, just speaking broadly, not to

3735
03:49:51,920 --> 03:49:53,920
the specific case, the East Lancing

3736
03:49:53,920 --> 03:49:56,239
Police Department for um policy on

3737
03:49:56,239 --> 03:49:59,040
rendering aid says that we need to make

3738
03:49:59,040 --> 03:50:01,840
sure that the scene is stable before

3739
03:50:01,840 --> 03:50:05,199
medics can render aid to any individual.

3740
03:50:05,199 --> 03:50:08,720
And so um again, broadly speaking, that

3741
03:50:08,720 --> 03:50:15,830
is what our policy says.

3742
03:50:15,840 --> 03:50:19,110
» Okay,

3743
03:50:19,120 --> 03:50:23,520
that's that's all I have for now.

3744
03:50:23,520 --> 03:50:30,309
>> Further questions? Council member Singh.

3745
03:50:30,319 --> 03:50:31,920
Um, [clears throat]

3746
03:50:31,920 --> 03:50:34,319
I just want to build some understanding

3747
03:50:34,319 --> 03:50:39,680
on the during the the released footage

3748
03:50:39,680 --> 03:50:42,080
last week that a lot of the public has

3749
03:50:42,080 --> 03:50:45,520
taken in. Um, I think you have language

3750
03:50:45,520 --> 03:50:48,319
that talks about the um internal

3751
03:50:48,319 --> 03:50:53,040
investigation or internal review. Um,

3752
03:50:53,040 --> 03:50:55,439
what and I I know I privately asked this

3753
03:50:55,439 --> 03:50:57,120
question as well. want to reflect that,

3754
03:50:57,120 --> 03:50:58,960
but I think it's important to understand

3755
03:50:58,960 --> 03:51:01,840
what at what point with the independent

3756
03:51:01,840 --> 03:51:03,199
investigation of the Michigan State

3757
03:51:03,199 --> 03:51:04,720
Police,

3758
03:51:04,720 --> 03:51:08,239
um the timeline of that internal review.

3759
03:51:08,239 --> 03:51:09,910
>> Yeah, that's a good question. Um

3760
03:51:09,910 --> 03:51:09,920
» Yeah, that's a good question. Um

3761
03:51:09,920 --> 03:51:11,760
standard protocol for East Lancing

3762
03:51:11,760 --> 03:51:13,439
Police Department is that an internal

3763
03:51:13,439 --> 03:51:16,239
investigation into any critical incident

3764
03:51:16,239 --> 03:51:18,160
will occur sometime after the Michigan

3765
03:51:18,160 --> 03:51:19,760
State Police completes their

3766
03:51:19,760 --> 03:51:22,560
investigation.

3767
03:51:22,560 --> 03:51:25,199
And then is there when you are

3768
03:51:25,199 --> 03:51:27,279
conducting an internal review of

3769
03:51:27,279 --> 03:51:28,960
something, what how long does that

3770
03:51:28,960 --> 03:51:32,720
typically take the ELPD?

3771
03:51:32,720 --> 03:51:34,710
>> So I think our last critical incident

3772
03:51:34,710 --> 03:51:34,720
» So I think our last critical incident

3773
03:51:34,720 --> 03:51:37,520
that was reviewed um comparable in size

3774
03:51:37,520 --> 03:51:40,000
would be the Meyer shooting and I wasn't

3775
03:51:40,000 --> 03:51:41,600
around during that time. So I'm looking

3776
03:51:41,600 --> 03:51:44,800
to Adrian if he remembers. I

3777
03:51:44,800 --> 03:51:46,630
>> it took at a minimum of several months.

3778
03:51:46,630 --> 03:51:46,640
» it took at a minimum of several months.

3779
03:51:46,640 --> 03:51:48,720
So we only had one investigator looking

3780
03:51:48,720 --> 03:51:50,560
into that at that in that critical

3781
03:51:50,560 --> 03:51:52,640
incident and that didn't uh that

3782
03:51:52,640 --> 03:51:54,640
incident was not as complex as this one

3783
03:51:54,640 --> 03:51:56,160
is.

3784
03:51:56,160 --> 03:51:58,389
>> And then you internal investigator. Can

3785
03:51:58,389 --> 03:51:58,399
» And then you internal investigator. Can

3786
03:51:58,399 --> 03:52:00,319
you explain to me how that works within

3787
03:52:00,319 --> 03:52:02,399
the police department

3788
03:52:02,399 --> 03:52:03,830
>> in regards to just

3789
03:52:03,830 --> 03:52:03,840
» in regards to just

3790
03:52:03,840 --> 03:52:05,189
>> do you have a separate position that's

3791
03:52:05,189 --> 03:52:05,199
» do you have a separate position that's

3792
03:52:05,199 --> 03:52:07,520
an internal investigator or is it

3793
03:52:07,520 --> 03:52:10,960
someone amongst administrative

3794
03:52:10,960 --> 03:52:12,399
officers? I don't

3795
03:52:12,399 --> 03:52:14,550
>> no. So yes, in this instance, it would

3796
03:52:14,550 --> 03:52:14,560
» no. So yes, in this instance, it would

3797
03:52:14,560 --> 03:52:16,399
probably be an administration uh team

3798
03:52:16,399 --> 03:52:18,239
member that is doing that level of

3799
03:52:18,239 --> 03:52:20,160
internal investigation. Correct. For a

3800
03:52:20,160 --> 03:52:22,319
smaller uh internal investigation,

3801
03:52:22,319 --> 03:52:23,680
sometimes they're handled at the shift

3802
03:52:23,680 --> 03:52:25,680
level. So a sergeant may do a very minor

3803
03:52:25,680 --> 03:52:27,760
internal investigation. Um if it rises

3804
03:52:27,760 --> 03:52:29,199
above that, a lieutenant might do it

3805
03:52:29,199 --> 03:52:31,279
like a shift lieutenant. U but in this

3806
03:52:31,279 --> 03:52:33,359
instance, due to the magnitude of the uh

3807
03:52:33,359 --> 03:52:35,520
incident, um probably going to be one of

3808
03:52:35,520 --> 03:52:37,279
the administrators.

3809
03:52:37,279 --> 03:52:39,279
And then you mentioned in the response

3810
03:52:39,279 --> 03:52:43,199
to um our mayor prom's question

3811
03:52:43,199 --> 03:52:48,560
um in terms of our hieres um they all

3812
03:52:48,560 --> 03:52:51,040
exceed MOOL's

3813
03:52:51,040 --> 03:52:52,880
um what does that mean is that passing

3814
03:52:52,880 --> 03:52:55,520
the exam exceed standards what does that

3815
03:52:55,520 --> 03:52:56,160
mean

3816
03:52:56,160 --> 03:52:58,950
>> yeah so MLOS has a minimum standard um

3817
03:52:58,950 --> 03:52:58,960
» yeah so MLOS has a minimum standard um

3818
03:52:58,960 --> 03:53:00,880
and all of our ELPD officers are trained

3819
03:53:00,880 --> 03:53:02,399
at the MCO's minimum standard for

3820
03:53:02,399 --> 03:53:04,800
lensure and firearms and officers

3821
03:53:04,800 --> 03:53:07,199
response to resistance is guided at case

3822
03:53:07,199 --> 03:53:09,600
law. So, MOS has minimum standards that

3823
03:53:09,600 --> 03:53:11,920
are on their website um particularly for

3824
03:53:11,920 --> 03:53:13,760
the licensing uh the amount of academy

3825
03:53:13,760 --> 03:53:15,920
that they have to go through um and so

3826
03:53:15,920 --> 03:53:17,680
on and so forth. Um there are new

3827
03:53:17,680 --> 03:53:20,319
standards for continuing uh education

3828
03:53:20,319 --> 03:53:22,479
that MCOLO's just put in place back in

3829
03:53:22,479 --> 03:53:25,840
2024 as a pilot program. Um and again,

3830
03:53:25,840 --> 03:53:27,600
all of that is publicly available and we

3831
03:53:27,600 --> 03:53:28,880
could share it with you if you want. We

3832
03:53:28,880 --> 03:53:30,319
can get copies for you if that's what

3833
03:53:30,319 --> 03:53:32,080
you would like. Um but that information

3834
03:53:32,080 --> 03:53:34,239
is there. um the East Lancing Police

3835
03:53:34,239 --> 03:53:36,160
Department, the MCO standards is a

3836
03:53:36,160 --> 03:53:38,560
minimum. Uh all of our officers exceed

3837
03:53:38,560 --> 03:53:40,239
that minimum.

3838
03:53:40,239 --> 03:53:43,910
>> And then the the new curriculum that you

3839
03:53:43,910 --> 03:53:43,920
» And then the the new curriculum that you

3840
03:53:43,920 --> 03:53:47,040
are referencing by Moos, um what

3841
03:53:47,040 --> 03:53:50,960
percentage of our current 47 officers

3842
03:53:50,960 --> 03:53:54,319
have been a part of that recent update

3843
03:53:54,319 --> 03:53:56,560
in curriculum or standards?

3844
03:53:56,560 --> 03:53:59,349
>> All of them have to be per Mult. So they

3845
03:53:59,349 --> 03:53:59,359
» All of them have to be per Mult. So they

3846
03:53:59,359 --> 03:54:02,080
all they've all been hired since 2024 or

3847
03:54:02,080 --> 03:54:02,399
they

3848
03:54:02,399 --> 03:54:03,510
>> they all have to go through the

3849
03:54:03,510 --> 03:54:03,520
» they all have to go through the

3850
03:54:03,520 --> 03:54:05,279
standards. These standards are set for a

3851
03:54:05,279 --> 03:54:07,680
year. So there's like a bank for 2024.

3852
03:54:07,680 --> 03:54:09,199
They have to meet all the standards and

3853
03:54:09,199 --> 03:54:11,120
then there's a bank of education that

3854
03:54:11,120 --> 03:54:13,040
they have to meet in 2025 and so on and

3855
03:54:13,040 --> 03:54:13,680
so forth.

3856
03:54:13,680 --> 03:54:14,710
>> Okay. So

3857
03:54:14,710 --> 03:54:14,720
» Okay. So

3858
03:54:14,720 --> 03:54:17,189
>> in regards to 2026, you have the whole

3859
03:54:17,189 --> 03:54:17,199
» in regards to 2026, you have the whole

3860
03:54:17,199 --> 03:54:18,560
year to work on it.

3861
03:54:18,560 --> 03:54:20,630
>> So officers are going through that right

3862
03:54:20,630 --> 03:54:20,640
» So officers are going through that right

3863
03:54:20,640 --> 03:54:21,840
now.

3864
03:54:21,840 --> 03:54:25,830
>> Okay. And then what beyond MCOs's what

3865
03:54:25,830 --> 03:54:25,840
» Okay. And then what beyond MCOs's what

3866
03:54:25,840 --> 03:54:28,399
additional training which I I recognize

3867
03:54:28,399 --> 03:54:30,239
as you've referenced it's on your

3868
03:54:30,239 --> 03:54:34,720
website um additional policy or training

3869
03:54:34,720 --> 03:54:38,239
policies that officers go through

3870
03:54:38,239 --> 03:54:40,630
>> like deescalation we purposed a bunch of

3871
03:54:40,630 --> 03:54:40,640
» like deescalation we purposed a bunch of

3872
03:54:40,640 --> 03:54:43,920
dollars for other trainings in the last

3873
03:54:43,920 --> 03:54:46,000
eight months or six seven months.

3874
03:54:46,000 --> 03:54:47,590
>> Are you asking beyond the ones that I

3875
03:54:47,590 --> 03:54:47,600
» Are you asking beyond the ones that I

3876
03:54:47,600 --> 03:54:49,040
mentioned in the presentation?

3877
03:54:49,040 --> 03:54:52,150
>> Yes. So again to your um question

3878
03:54:52,150 --> 03:54:52,160
» Yes. So again to your um question

3879
03:54:52,160 --> 03:54:54,399
regarding policies, first of all, we

3880
03:54:54,399 --> 03:54:56,880
have a software system where all of our

3881
03:54:56,880 --> 03:54:58,960
policies are at and all of the officers

3882
03:54:58,960 --> 03:55:00,960
are required to sign off on those

3883
03:55:00,960 --> 03:55:02,479
electronically that they understand

3884
03:55:02,479 --> 03:55:04,640
them. So that's part of training and

3885
03:55:04,640 --> 03:55:06,800
then we do an annual training each year

3886
03:55:06,800 --> 03:55:09,439
in either January, February or March. Um

3887
03:55:09,439 --> 03:55:12,479
each of the officers or sworn personnel

3888
03:55:12,479 --> 03:55:14,800
have to go through three full days of

3889
03:55:14,800 --> 03:55:17,680
training. That includes everything from

3890
03:55:17,680 --> 03:55:21,600
first aid, CPR. Um we also do taser

3891
03:55:21,600 --> 03:55:25,279
training. Um we do deescalation

3892
03:55:25,279 --> 03:55:28,160
um health and wellness resilience. The

3893
03:55:28,160 --> 03:55:30,880
topics for those change um from year to

3894
03:55:30,880 --> 03:55:33,840
year, but again we do a wide variety of

3895
03:55:33,840 --> 03:55:35,680
training during that annual training.

3896
03:55:35,680 --> 03:55:38,160
And then officers additionally go to

3897
03:55:38,160 --> 03:55:41,199
training for which they um it might

3898
03:55:41,199 --> 03:55:43,120
apply to a specific position that

3899
03:55:43,120 --> 03:55:44,960
they're in. So for example, our K9

3900
03:55:44,960 --> 03:55:47,520
officers attend K9 training both on a

3901
03:55:47,520 --> 03:55:50,239
monthly basis and then again annually.

3902
03:55:50,239 --> 03:55:52,640
Um we have bicycle officers and they go

3903
03:55:52,640 --> 03:55:54,880
to specific training. So again, all of

3904
03:55:54,880 --> 03:55:57,120
our officers get very specific training

3905
03:55:57,120 --> 03:55:58,479
each year and then if they're

3906
03:55:58,479 --> 03:56:00,160
specialized, they get training beyond

3907
03:56:00,160 --> 03:56:03,359
that. And the crisis intervention uh

3908
03:56:03,359 --> 03:56:05,840
training is that required by MCOs or is

3909
03:56:05,840 --> 03:56:08,479
that an East Lancing PD requirement?

3910
03:56:08,479 --> 03:56:10,309
>> So critical incident training from my

3911
03:56:10,309 --> 03:56:10,319
» So critical incident training from my

3912
03:56:10,319 --> 03:56:12,479
understanding is not required by MCOs

3913
03:56:12,479 --> 03:56:13,920
but that is a priority for our

3914
03:56:13,920 --> 03:56:16,319
department and the last time I checked

3915
03:56:16,319 --> 03:56:18,239
um which was a couple weeks ago we have

3916
03:56:18,239 --> 03:56:20,880
37 of our officers that are trained in

3917
03:56:20,880 --> 03:56:25,600
CIT. So 37 of the 47 that are

3918
03:56:25,600 --> 03:56:27,760
um and do you are do you have an

3919
03:56:27,760 --> 03:56:29,760
awareness of police departments in Mid

3920
03:56:29,760 --> 03:56:32,319
Michigan that require that? Do we

3921
03:56:32,319 --> 03:56:34,319
require it or it's a priority for the

3922
03:56:34,319 --> 03:56:34,800
department?

3923
03:56:34,800 --> 03:56:36,389
>> It is a priority. We don't have a

3924
03:56:36,389 --> 03:56:36,399
» It is a priority. We don't have a

3925
03:56:36,399 --> 03:56:36,880
requirement.

3926
03:56:36,880 --> 03:56:38,550
>> It's not required. Okay.

3927
03:56:38,550 --> 03:56:38,560
» It's not required. Okay.

3928
03:56:38,560 --> 03:56:39,990
>> We're just locally trying to get

3929
03:56:39,990 --> 03:56:40,000
» We're just locally trying to get

3930
03:56:40,000 --> 03:56:41,760
officers through. From my understanding,

3931
03:56:41,760 --> 03:56:44,479
they only offer that twice per year. And

3932
03:56:44,479 --> 03:56:46,080
so again, because of our staffing

3933
03:56:46,080 --> 03:56:48,000
levels, we're only able to send a couple

3934
03:56:48,000 --> 03:56:50,239
officers to that training at a time. And

3935
03:56:50,239 --> 03:56:53,199
where who hosts the training?

3936
03:56:53,199 --> 03:56:54,469
>> Ingham County.

3937
03:56:54,469 --> 03:56:54,479
» Ingham County.

3938
03:56:54,479 --> 03:56:58,070
>> Ingham County. And I know a number of

3939
03:56:58,070 --> 03:56:58,080
» Ingham County. And I know a number of

3940
03:56:58,080 --> 03:56:59,840
our officers come out of Lancing

3941
03:56:59,840 --> 03:57:02,560
Community College is my understanding.

3942
03:57:02,560 --> 03:57:05,199
And have we had meetings with the

3943
03:57:05,199 --> 03:57:07,040
faculty that conduct some of the

3944
03:57:07,040 --> 03:57:10,319
trainings to um you know talk

3945
03:57:10,319 --> 03:57:12,479
specifically about what we're seeing in

3946
03:57:12,479 --> 03:57:14,800
terms of community needs and what is

3947
03:57:14,800 --> 03:57:16,239
instructed in the classroom.

3948
03:57:16,239 --> 03:57:17,590
>> Yeah. And I'm going to let Adrian speak

3949
03:57:17,590 --> 03:57:17,600
» Yeah. And I'm going to let Adrian speak

3950
03:57:17,600 --> 03:57:19,040
to this because he's very actively

3951
03:57:19,040 --> 03:57:21,279
involved in Lancing Community College

3952
03:57:21,279 --> 03:57:22,239
Police Academy.

3953
03:57:22,239 --> 03:57:24,710
>> I actually teach there. So yes, at the

3954
03:57:24,710 --> 03:57:24,720
» I actually teach there. So yes, at the

3955
03:57:24,720 --> 03:57:27,840
end of every um uh academy there is a

3956
03:57:27,840 --> 03:57:31,040
debrief where chiefs um and high level

3957
03:57:31,040 --> 03:57:33,359
executives do are able to come in and

3958
03:57:33,359 --> 03:57:35,120
kind of critique and provide suggestions

3959
03:57:35,120 --> 03:57:38,080
to the academy. Um the academy standard

3960
03:57:38,080 --> 03:57:39,840
I believe I think I wrote it down on the

3961
03:57:39,840 --> 03:57:45,359
notes for Moos is 590 hours. Uh the LCC

3962
03:57:45,359 --> 03:57:48,160
as an example does well over 700 hours

3963
03:57:48,160 --> 03:57:50,800
of actual educational purposes uh for

3964
03:57:50,800 --> 03:57:52,720
any recruit coming out of LCC. I can't

3965
03:57:52,720 --> 03:57:54,399
speak to any other of themies, but all

3966
03:57:54,399 --> 03:57:57,680
of themies are governed by uh the

3967
03:57:57,680 --> 03:57:59,199
Michigan Commission on Law Enforcement

3968
03:57:59,199 --> 03:58:01,920
Standards MOOLS. Um and so they are all

3969
03:58:01,920 --> 03:58:04,640
overseen by MOOLS. Um and the curriculum

3970
03:58:04,640 --> 03:58:07,520
is actually designed by MOS as well. Um

3971
03:58:07,520 --> 03:58:10,000
they do off curriculum review as well

3972
03:58:10,000 --> 03:58:11,439
but I don't know the specifics on that

3973
03:58:11,439 --> 03:58:13,600
because I haven't interacted with MCOs's

3974
03:58:13,600 --> 03:58:17,279
that directly uh very often. So if that

3975
03:58:17,279 --> 03:58:19,439
answers your question.

3976
03:58:19,439 --> 03:58:21,990
>> Yeah. I mean part of it is I used to do

3977
03:58:21,990 --> 03:58:22,000
» Yeah. I mean part of it is I used to do

3978
03:58:22,000 --> 03:58:26,880
workforce development um uh

3979
03:58:26,880 --> 03:58:29,760
and other professional areas and you

3980
03:58:29,760 --> 03:58:32,399
know a lot of times we would work

3981
03:58:32,399 --> 03:58:34,160
specifically

3982
03:58:34,160 --> 03:58:36,479
um with

3983
03:58:36,479 --> 03:58:38,399
higher ed entities providing the

3984
03:58:38,399 --> 03:58:41,520
training or the degree programs to

3985
03:58:41,520 --> 03:58:44,000
specifically outline needs that we have

3986
03:58:44,000 --> 03:58:48,399
in our or an employer would need to help

3987
03:58:48,399 --> 03:58:51,120
matchmake and develop that curriculum. I

3988
03:58:51,120 --> 03:58:53,520
understand this is a bit different um in

3989
03:58:53,520 --> 03:58:55,359
terms of the standards that are outlined

3990
03:58:55,359 --> 03:58:57,359
by the state very different than an

3991
03:58:57,359 --> 03:58:59,760
engineering degree. So I'm just you know

3992
03:58:59,760 --> 03:59:02,720
balancing what I know professionally to

3993
03:59:02,720 --> 03:59:03,439
you know what

3994
03:59:03,439 --> 03:59:05,189
>> it's a good question and there's a lot

3995
03:59:05,189 --> 03:59:05,199
» it's a good question and there's a lot

3996
03:59:05,199 --> 03:59:07,840
of information on the MCO's web page. If

3997
03:59:07,840 --> 03:59:09,279
you had any questions or needed some

3998
03:59:09,279 --> 03:59:10,720
assistance navigating it I'd be more

3999
03:59:10,720 --> 03:59:12,399
than happy to do that. part of that

4000
03:59:12,399 --> 03:59:14,800
curriculum or the curriculum that MCOLO

4001
03:59:14,800 --> 03:59:18,560
sets forward um formies to be taught is

4002
03:59:18,560 --> 03:59:19,920
on that web page.

4003
03:59:19,920 --> 03:59:20,950
>> Yeah.

4004
03:59:20,950 --> 03:59:20,960
» Yeah.

4005
03:59:20,960 --> 03:59:22,550
>> Thank you for referencing that. I know

4006
03:59:22,550 --> 03:59:22,560
» Thank you for referencing that. I know

4007
03:59:22,560 --> 03:59:24,239
verbally I learn verbally so I

4008
03:59:24,239 --> 03:59:26,160
appreciate this description as I'm sure

4009
03:59:26,160 --> 03:59:28,399
the public does as well.

4010
03:59:28,399 --> 03:59:30,150
>> Um

4011
03:59:30,150 --> 03:59:30,160
» Um

4012
03:59:30,160 --> 03:59:36,389
let's see. I want to go back to um

4013
03:59:36,399 --> 03:59:40,160
um for in this, you know, what we've

4014
03:59:40,160 --> 03:59:43,840
just experienced um as well as

4015
03:59:43,840 --> 03:59:45,920
uh I know you mentioned the Meyer event

4016
03:59:45,920 --> 03:59:48,720
a few years ago. T can you describe to

4017
03:59:48,720 --> 03:59:51,520
me a little bit in terms of how videos

4018
03:59:51,520 --> 03:59:54,479
are compiled? um whether that's from

4019
03:59:54,479 --> 03:59:58,319
fleet or body cam footage or even

4020
03:59:58,319 --> 04:00:03,750
available footage at storefronts.

4021
04:00:03,760 --> 04:00:04,319
» Okay.

4022
04:00:04,319 --> 04:00:06,790
>> The video compiles like in regards to

4023
04:00:06,790 --> 04:00:06,800
» The video compiles like in regards to

4024
04:00:06,800 --> 04:00:10,080
axon body warn camera videos

4025
04:00:10,080 --> 04:00:13,189
>> after an incident that we you know you

4026
04:00:13,189 --> 04:00:13,199
» after an incident that we you know you

4027
04:00:13,199 --> 04:00:14,960
know how does that come together for

4028
04:00:14,960 --> 04:00:17,439
East Lancing Police Department? How do

4029
04:00:17,439 --> 04:00:19,600
you compile a video after a significant

4030
04:00:19,600 --> 04:00:20,239
event?

4031
04:00:20,239 --> 04:00:22,229
>> Yeah, I can walk you through that. So we

4032
04:00:22,229 --> 04:00:22,239
» Yeah, I can walk you through that. So we

4033
04:00:22,239 --> 04:00:25,120
spent hours and hours watching camera

4034
04:00:25,120 --> 04:00:28,399
footage from both the bodywn cameras and

4035
04:00:28,399 --> 04:00:30,960
from the fleet footage and again wanted

4036
04:00:30,960 --> 04:00:33,279
to provide the public with you know as

4037
04:00:33,279 --> 04:00:35,040
much detail as we could in a short

4038
04:00:35,040 --> 04:00:37,840
amount of time. So from our experience

4039
04:00:37,840 --> 04:00:39,520
um again partnering with the Lancing

4040
04:00:39,520 --> 04:00:41,760
Police Department to create this video

4041
04:00:41,760 --> 04:00:44,399
we learned that most agencies narrow the

4042
04:00:44,399 --> 04:00:47,920
video down to about between 10 and 15

4043
04:00:47,920 --> 04:00:50,640
minutes. As you know, our final product

4044
04:00:50,640 --> 04:00:53,520
was just over 22 minutes. And so, again,

4045
04:00:53,520 --> 04:00:56,399
we had to create, you know, a timeline

4046
04:00:56,399 --> 04:00:57,840
using that footage that we have

4047
04:00:57,840 --> 04:00:59,760
available to us. And some of that

4048
04:00:59,760 --> 04:01:03,840
footage was hours and hours in length.

4049
04:01:03,840 --> 04:01:06,880
Um, so again, we tried to provide as,

4050
04:01:06,880 --> 04:01:09,279
you know, much information we could in

4051
04:01:09,279 --> 04:01:10,720
that short amount of time that we were

4052
04:01:10,720 --> 04:01:14,080
able to create for that narrated video.

4053
04:01:14,080 --> 04:01:19,760
And in terms of um you know what would

4054
04:01:19,760 --> 04:01:23,199
and you know heaven forbid we don't go

4055
04:01:23,199 --> 04:01:25,359
back you know through anything like

4056
04:01:25,359 --> 04:01:28,080
we've experienced this this spring but

4057
04:01:28,080 --> 04:01:32,960
um you know in terms of what would cut

4058
04:01:32,960 --> 04:01:37,520
down the time uh to develop a video um

4059
04:01:37,520 --> 04:01:39,359
whether that's reflective back on the

4060
04:01:39,359 --> 04:01:42,720
Meyer case or uh currently what we've

4061
04:01:42,720 --> 04:01:44,800
experienced

4062
04:01:44,800 --> 04:01:46,479
I I think one of the biggest hurdles we

4063
04:01:46,479 --> 04:01:49,680
ran into was just um lack of uh

4064
04:01:49,680 --> 04:01:51,199
technology software be able to put

4065
04:01:51,199 --> 04:01:52,319
something like that together and just

4066
04:01:52,319 --> 04:01:53,920
knowledge and so that's why we kind of

4067
04:01:53,920 --> 04:01:55,840
leaned on regional partners that had

4068
04:01:55,840 --> 04:01:57,840
folks that had some experience and the

4069
04:01:57,840 --> 04:01:59,680
the ability and the software to do that.

4070
04:01:59,680 --> 04:02:03,279
So, um, you know, hopefully we never

4071
04:02:03,279 --> 04:02:04,960
have to come into this type of situation

4072
04:02:04,960 --> 04:02:07,040
again, but we do have folks now that

4073
04:02:07,040 --> 04:02:09,040
we're working alongside our regional

4074
04:02:09,040 --> 04:02:10,479
partners to be able to gain that

4075
04:02:10,479 --> 04:02:12,800
knowledge and, you know, have that

4076
04:02:12,800 --> 04:02:15,199
software available now so that we could

4077
04:02:15,199 --> 04:02:16,399
do a little bit more of it ourselves and

4078
04:02:16,399 --> 04:02:18,160
be a little bit faster, I think.

4079
04:02:18,160 --> 04:02:23,269
>> And is does Axon also do this service?

4080
04:02:23,269 --> 04:02:23,279
» And is does Axon also do this service?

4081
04:02:23,279 --> 04:02:25,429
>> Not to my knowledge, no. And but there

4082
04:02:25,429 --> 04:02:25,439
» Not to my knowledge, no. And but there

4083
04:02:25,439 --> 04:02:28,000
there are vendors that work with local

4084
04:02:28,000 --> 04:02:30,800
police departments.

4085
04:02:30,800 --> 04:02:33,830
>> I'm not aware of any vendors. Yeah.

4086
04:02:33,830 --> 04:02:33,840
» I'm not aware of any vendors. Yeah.

4087
04:02:33,840 --> 04:02:39,990
>> Okay.

4088
04:02:40,000 --> 04:02:41,920
» Mr. Will,

4089
04:02:41,920 --> 04:02:43,680
did you you were making a motion toward

4090
04:02:43,680 --> 04:02:44,960
your microphone?

4091
04:02:44,960 --> 04:02:48,710
>> Yes. Um and we haven't talked about

4092
04:02:48,710 --> 04:02:48,720
» Yes. Um and we haven't talked about

4093
04:02:48,720 --> 04:02:50,239
this.

4094
04:02:50,239 --> 04:02:53,359
Can you help me with the perception

4095
04:02:53,359 --> 04:02:57,120
of a police officer where they would use

4096
04:02:57,120 --> 04:03:00,640
either less lethal or lethal force? What

4097
04:03:00,640 --> 04:03:05,990
would be part of their decision

4098
04:03:06,000 --> 04:03:08,239
based on their perspective

4099
04:03:08,239 --> 04:03:10,160
when is appropriate to use less lethal

4100
04:03:10,160 --> 04:03:12,399
as compared to lethal?

4101
04:03:12,399 --> 04:03:14,720
So again, they would have to refer back

4102
04:03:14,720 --> 04:03:16,880
to their training which um again is

4103
04:03:16,880 --> 04:03:19,600
guided by case law which um we spoke to

4104
04:03:19,600 --> 04:03:22,560
in terms of Graham versus Connor. Um

4105
04:03:22,560 --> 04:03:24,399
that is exactly what they would have to

4106
04:03:24,399 --> 04:03:26,160
rely to make that decision and again

4107
04:03:26,160 --> 04:03:28,720
it's a three-pronged approach. So that

4108
04:03:28,720 --> 04:03:30,720
is the severity of the crime, whether

4109
04:03:30,720 --> 04:03:32,239
there's an immediate threat to the

4110
04:03:32,239 --> 04:03:34,560
officer or to the public and whether

4111
04:03:34,560 --> 04:03:36,800
there's an active resistance or or a

4112
04:03:36,800 --> 04:03:37,439
fight.

4113
04:03:37,439 --> 04:03:41,269
>> Okay. Um, and maybe I need a little

4114
04:03:41,269 --> 04:03:41,279
» Okay. Um, and maybe I need a little

4115
04:03:41,279 --> 04:03:42,720
attitude because I'm gonna ask a

4116
04:03:42,720 --> 04:03:46,640
personal question. We um,

4117
04:03:46,640 --> 04:03:49,040
can I ask Chief why you became a police

4118
04:03:49,040 --> 04:03:51,040
officer?

4119
04:03:51,040 --> 04:03:53,359
You can take a second to think. This is

4120
04:03:53,359 --> 04:03:57,279
an interview. I'm just asking.

4121
04:03:57,279 --> 04:03:58,710
>> Well, I think the answer that I hear

4122
04:03:58,710 --> 04:03:58,720
» Well, I think the answer that I hear

4123
04:03:58,720 --> 04:04:00,640
most from others when we do interviews

4124
04:04:00,640 --> 04:04:04,720
is that they want to help others. Um,

4125
04:04:04,720 --> 04:04:07,439
as you all are aware, I spent 10 years

4126
04:04:07,439 --> 04:04:09,279
or excuse me, 15 years in law

4127
04:04:09,279 --> 04:04:10,880
enforcement and I left and went into the

4128
04:04:10,880 --> 04:04:14,319
private sector and I watched my daughter

4129
04:04:14,319 --> 04:04:16,399
who graduated from the police academy

4130
04:04:16,399 --> 04:04:19,840
and went into um, Lancing Police

4131
04:04:19,840 --> 04:04:23,680
Department and watched her passion and

4132
04:04:23,680 --> 04:04:26,800
love for helping people in the community

4133
04:04:26,800 --> 04:04:28,960
and trying to make her department

4134
04:04:28,960 --> 04:04:32,960
better. And I truly missed that. And

4135
04:04:32,960 --> 04:04:34,640
that's what brought me back into law

4136
04:04:34,640 --> 04:04:37,600
enforcement is I felt like my job as an

4137
04:04:37,600 --> 04:04:40,560
officer wasn't done and that I could

4138
04:04:40,560 --> 04:04:43,600
really help um this police department in

4139
04:04:43,600 --> 04:04:47,199
particular and this community

4140
04:04:47,199 --> 04:04:50,800
um that I knew was struggling. I knew

4141
04:04:50,800 --> 04:04:53,439
coming into this this position that this

4142
04:04:53,439 --> 04:04:55,359
department and this community needed

4143
04:04:55,359 --> 04:04:59,439
change. And I'm honestly trying my best

4144
04:04:59,439 --> 04:05:01,920
to do that every single day that I come

4145
04:05:01,920 --> 04:05:03,600
to work.

4146
04:05:03,600 --> 04:05:06,790
>> Thank you. Um, and I'm sorry, associate

4147
04:05:06,790 --> 04:05:06,800
» Thank you. Um, and I'm sorry, associate

4148
04:05:06,800 --> 04:05:09,359
chief or deputy chief or what's your

4149
04:05:09,359 --> 04:05:09,840
title?

4150
04:05:09,840 --> 04:05:10,550
>> Assistant chief.

4151
04:05:10,550 --> 04:05:10,560
» Assistant chief.

4152
04:05:10,560 --> 04:05:12,309
>> Assistant chief. Do you mind if I ask

4153
04:05:12,309 --> 04:05:12,319
» Assistant chief. Do you mind if I ask

4154
04:05:12,319 --> 04:05:15,359
you, um, what do you look for in new

4155
04:05:15,359 --> 04:05:17,680
officers when you ask them? I'm not sure

4156
04:05:17,680 --> 04:05:19,199
if that's still a question you ask why

4157
04:05:19,199 --> 04:05:21,199
they want to be a police officer. What

4158
04:05:21,199 --> 04:05:24,880
are things you look for? and there's

4159
04:05:24,880 --> 04:05:26,880
lots of people that want to do this job,

4160
04:05:26,880 --> 04:05:28,880
less than before,

4161
04:05:28,880 --> 04:05:29,990
>> but now that there's less people

4162
04:05:29,990 --> 04:05:30,000
» but now that there's less people

4163
04:05:30,000 --> 04:05:31,520
applying, you maybe you have to be more

4164
04:05:31,520 --> 04:05:35,439
discerning. What do you look for in

4165
04:05:35,439 --> 04:05:36,800
police officers?

4166
04:05:36,800 --> 04:05:38,950
>> I think simply just a a passion for

4167
04:05:38,950 --> 04:05:38,960
» I think simply just a a passion for

4168
04:05:38,960 --> 04:05:40,800
public service. Uh folks that want to

4169
04:05:40,800 --> 04:05:42,960
give of themselves to make the community

4170
04:05:42,960 --> 04:05:45,920
better and to, you know, help people on

4171
04:05:45,920 --> 04:05:48,399
their worst day. Um in 27 years, I've

4172
04:05:48,399 --> 04:05:49,920
had I've never had anybody call me up

4173
04:05:49,920 --> 04:05:51,760
and say, you know, hey, I'm having the

4174
04:05:51,760 --> 04:05:53,600
best day ever. uh that's not typically

4175
04:05:53,600 --> 04:05:55,760
the calls that we get. So folks that are

4176
04:05:55,760 --> 04:05:58,080
are willing to to shoulder that and uh

4177
04:05:58,080 --> 04:06:00,080
and and provide quality service in the

4178
04:06:00,080 --> 04:06:02,160
moment and have that passion for helping

4179
04:06:02,160 --> 04:06:03,120
others.

4180
04:06:03,120 --> 04:06:07,990
>> Okay. I had nothing from there.

4181
04:06:08,000 --> 04:06:12,080
» Just a couple I want to u confirm. I

4182
04:06:12,080 --> 04:06:13,439
think you said this earlier so I just

4183
04:06:13,439 --> 04:06:15,040
want to make sure I got this right that

4184
04:06:15,040 --> 04:06:16,960
you know the MCO's policies are the

4185
04:06:16,960 --> 04:06:18,880
minimum policies for every police agency

4186
04:06:18,880 --> 04:06:20,560
in the in the state of Michigan.

4187
04:06:20,560 --> 04:06:21,520
Correct.

4188
04:06:21,520 --> 04:06:24,309
>> Yes. because MCOs governs all of the

4189
04:06:24,309 --> 04:06:24,319
» Yes. because MCOs governs all of the

4190
04:06:24,319 --> 04:06:26,880
agencies within the state and obviously

4191
04:06:26,880 --> 04:06:28,640
um or for those that are not aware there

4192
04:06:28,640 --> 04:06:30,239
are many small agencies that don't have

4193
04:06:30,239 --> 04:06:32,640
the resources that much larger agencies

4194
04:06:32,640 --> 04:06:36,479
have to uh burden and so those the

4195
04:06:36,479 --> 04:06:39,279
policies that MOS makes has to also take

4196
04:06:39,279 --> 04:06:41,040
that into account and encompass what

4197
04:06:41,040 --> 04:06:43,040
those smaller agencies can do. So again

4198
04:06:43,040 --> 04:06:44,560
you are correct it is the minimum

4199
04:06:44,560 --> 04:06:45,520
standard

4200
04:06:45,520 --> 04:06:49,189
>> and the uh to the extent that we have

4201
04:06:49,189 --> 04:06:49,199
» and the uh to the extent that we have

4202
04:06:49,199 --> 04:06:51,680
different policies they are just

4203
04:06:51,680 --> 04:06:54,960
basically expansions of the MCO policies

4204
04:06:54,960 --> 04:06:57,840
perhaps even more detailed than the

4205
04:06:57,840 --> 04:07:00,000
MCO's policies. Is that correct?

4206
04:07:00,000 --> 04:07:01,510
>> Yes that is correct and we are an

4207
04:07:01,510 --> 04:07:01,520
» Yes that is correct and we are an

4208
04:07:01,520 --> 04:07:02,960
accredited agency through the Michigan

4209
04:07:02,960 --> 04:07:05,040
Association of Chiefs of Police as well

4210
04:07:05,040 --> 04:07:06,479
meaning that our standards have been

4211
04:07:06,479 --> 04:07:08,319
looked at thoroughly by outside sources

4212
04:07:08,319 --> 04:07:11,279
and our uh best practice.

4213
04:07:11,279 --> 04:07:12,880
And then I I want to ask you, you know,

4214
04:07:12,880 --> 04:07:15,279
in an officer involved shooting, is

4215
04:07:15,279 --> 04:07:19,120
there a policy which applies as to what

4216
04:07:19,120 --> 04:07:23,040
happens after the event has occurred?

4217
04:07:23,040 --> 04:07:24,870
>> Yeah. So, we've been relying on all of

4218
04:07:24,870 --> 04:07:24,880
» Yeah. So, we've been relying on all of

4219
04:07:24,880 --> 04:07:27,760
our policies and, you know, making sure

4220
04:07:27,760 --> 04:07:29,199
that we're following those on a daily

4221
04:07:29,199 --> 04:07:31,120
basis. There's several policies that

4222
04:07:31,120 --> 04:07:32,800
apply. Again, these are all on the site,

4223
04:07:32,800 --> 04:07:35,520
but there's um a deadly force policy,

4224
04:07:35,520 --> 04:07:37,520
there's critical incident policy, the

4225
04:07:37,520 --> 04:07:39,680
response to resistance policy, a media

4226
04:07:39,680 --> 04:07:41,760
policy. It's a combination of policies

4227
04:07:41,760 --> 04:07:43,359
that we've been following very very

4228
04:07:43,359 --> 04:07:45,279
closely over the last month.

4229
04:07:45,279 --> 04:07:49,030
>> And in uh in an officer involved

4230
04:07:49,030 --> 04:07:49,040
» And in uh in an officer involved

4231
04:07:49,040 --> 04:07:51,600
shooting, there is an investigation that

4232
04:07:51,600 --> 04:07:53,600
takes place after the event has

4233
04:07:53,600 --> 04:07:55,439
occurred. Is that correct?

4234
04:07:55,439 --> 04:07:56,309
>> Yes, that's what we

4235
04:07:56,309 --> 04:07:56,319
» Yes, that's what we

4236
04:07:56,319 --> 04:07:58,070
>> is there a standard policy that applies

4237
04:07:58,070 --> 04:07:58,080
» is there a standard policy that applies

4238
04:07:58,080 --> 04:08:00,080
to that with regard to the officer

4239
04:08:00,080 --> 04:08:02,800
involved.

4240
04:08:02,800 --> 04:08:05,590
>> So there's not very a specific policy

4241
04:08:05,590 --> 04:08:05,600
» So there's not very a specific policy

4242
04:08:05,600 --> 04:08:07,359
that states that, but that has been

4243
04:08:07,359 --> 04:08:09,439
protocol. So that's what we we will be

4244
04:08:09,439 --> 04:08:10,160
following.

4245
04:08:10,160 --> 04:08:13,110
>> And the protocol would be to place the

4246
04:08:13,110 --> 04:08:13,120
» And the protocol would be to place the

4247
04:08:13,120 --> 04:08:15,840
officer on administrative leave.

4248
04:08:15,840 --> 04:08:17,910
>> The the policy or excuse me, the

4249
04:08:17,910 --> 04:08:17,920
» The the policy or excuse me, the

4250
04:08:17,920 --> 04:08:21,199
protocol is for us to do an internal

4251
04:08:21,199 --> 04:08:23,600
investigation sometime after the

4252
04:08:23,600 --> 04:08:25,279
completion of the Michigan State Police

4253
04:08:25,279 --> 04:08:27,120
investigation. Is that what you're

4254
04:08:27,120 --> 04:08:27,680
asking?

4255
04:08:27,680 --> 04:08:31,349
>> I'm asking if the officer involved is

4256
04:08:31,349 --> 04:08:31,359
» I'm asking if the officer involved is

4257
04:08:31,359 --> 04:08:33,439
placed on administrative leave while the

4258
04:08:33,439 --> 04:08:36,399
investigation takes place.

4259
04:08:36,399 --> 04:08:38,880
So the administration um for the

4260
04:08:38,880 --> 04:08:41,199
department has some flexibility in terms

4261
04:08:41,199 --> 04:08:44,000
of what the status of those officers are

4262
04:08:44,000 --> 04:08:45,600
after the completion of the Michigan

4263
04:08:45,600 --> 04:08:47,600
State Police investigation.

4264
04:08:47,600 --> 04:08:50,229
>> Okay. After

4265
04:08:50,229 --> 04:08:50,239
» Okay. After

4266
04:08:50,239 --> 04:08:52,070
>> but during

4267
04:08:52,070 --> 04:08:52,080
» but during

4268
04:08:52,080 --> 04:08:53,680
what happens?

4269
04:08:53,680 --> 04:08:55,429
>> We still have that flexibility.

4270
04:08:55,429 --> 04:08:55,439
» We still have that flexibility.

4271
04:08:55,439 --> 04:08:58,550
>> Okay. And in and when the Michigan State

4272
04:08:58,550 --> 04:08:58,560
» Okay. And in and when the Michigan State

4273
04:08:58,560 --> 04:09:03,279
Police investigation is complete,

4274
04:09:03,279 --> 04:09:08,160
that report is provided to who?

4275
04:09:08,160 --> 04:09:09,830
>> So again, do you want us to speak to the

4276
04:09:09,830 --> 04:09:09,840
» So again, do you want us to speak to the

4277
04:09:09,840 --> 04:09:15,429
specific investigation?

4278
04:09:15,439 --> 04:09:17,120
» Are you asking specific to this

4279
04:09:17,120 --> 04:09:18,560
investigation or just in general?

4280
04:09:18,560 --> 04:09:20,469
>> Any any investigation. So, in general,

4281
04:09:20,469 --> 04:09:20,479
» Any any investigation. So, in general,

4282
04:09:20,479 --> 04:09:23,439
we can speak that um other agencies in

4283
04:09:23,439 --> 04:09:25,279
the county have experienced it where the

4284
04:09:25,279 --> 04:09:26,880
Michigan State Police have completed

4285
04:09:26,880 --> 04:09:29,120
their investigation. They turn it over

4286
04:09:29,120 --> 04:09:31,680
to the Ingram County Prosecutor's Office

4287
04:09:31,680 --> 04:09:33,600
where the prosecutor will then make a

4288
04:09:33,600 --> 04:09:36,239
decision and typically those cases are

4289
04:09:36,239 --> 04:09:38,319
turned over to the attorney general for

4290
04:09:38,319 --> 04:09:40,239
their final review. And that would be

4291
04:09:40,239 --> 04:09:43,439
our expectation that this uh particular

4292
04:09:43,439 --> 04:09:46,000
incident in that circumstance based on

4293
04:09:46,000 --> 04:09:49,040
what we know from Ingam County in the

4294
04:09:49,040 --> 04:09:52,720
past that uh the local prosecutor is

4295
04:09:52,720 --> 04:09:54,479
likely to turn this over to the attorney

4296
04:09:54,479 --> 04:09:56,319
general's office for in for

4297
04:09:56,319 --> 04:09:58,389
>> I think that's a fair expectation.

4298
04:09:58,389 --> 04:09:58,399
» I think that's a fair expectation.

4299
04:09:58,399 --> 04:10:01,830
>> Okay. And uh is there any knowledge as

4300
04:10:01,830 --> 04:10:01,840
» Okay. And uh is there any knowledge as

4301
04:10:01,840 --> 04:10:06,640
to how long those uh reviews typically

4302
04:10:06,640 --> 04:10:10,319
take? We do not.

4303
04:10:10,319 --> 04:10:11,269
>> Do you want me?

4304
04:10:11,269 --> 04:10:11,279
» Do you want me?

4305
04:10:11,279 --> 04:10:11,910
>> Yeah. Could you

4306
04:10:11,910 --> 04:10:11,920
» Yeah. Could you

4307
04:10:11,920 --> 04:10:14,389
>> just from experience they can take uh

4308
04:10:14,389 --> 04:10:14,399
» just from experience they can take uh

4309
04:10:14,399 --> 04:10:16,800
several months upwards of a year.

4310
04:10:16,800 --> 04:10:17,110
>> Okay.

4311
04:10:17,110 --> 04:10:17,120
» Okay.

4312
04:10:17,120 --> 04:10:18,070
>> Or more.

4313
04:10:18,070 --> 04:10:18,080
» Or more.

4314
04:10:18,080 --> 04:10:21,910
>> Or more. Okay. And our expectation would

4315
04:10:21,910 --> 04:10:21,920
» Or more. Okay. And our expectation would

4316
04:10:21,920 --> 04:10:24,960
be that that's the process that we're

4317
04:10:24,960 --> 04:10:27,520
expecting to be followed going forward.

4318
04:10:27,520 --> 04:10:28,720
Is that right?

4319
04:10:28,720 --> 04:10:29,750
>> That is correct.

4320
04:10:29,750 --> 04:10:29,760
» That is correct.

4321
04:10:29,760 --> 04:10:32,150
>> Okay. Thanks. That's all I've got.

4322
04:10:32,150 --> 04:10:32,160
» Okay. Thanks. That's all I've got.

4323
04:10:32,160 --> 04:10:33,910
>> Yeah. Mr. Griggsby.

4324
04:10:33,910 --> 04:10:33,920
» Yeah. Mr. Griggsby.

4325
04:10:33,920 --> 04:10:37,910
>> Uh yes. Um,

4326
04:10:37,910 --> 04:10:37,920
» Uh yes. Um,

4327
04:10:37,920 --> 04:10:40,880
I'm I'm sorry. Is it Lieutenant Lauro or

4328
04:10:40,880 --> 04:10:41,760
is it Sergeant?

4329
04:10:41,760 --> 04:10:42,790
>> That's Captain O'Hario.

4330
04:10:42,790 --> 04:10:42,800
» That's Captain O'Hario.

4331
04:10:42,800 --> 04:10:44,469
>> Captain. Oh, I'm I'm actually sorry

4332
04:10:44,469 --> 04:10:44,479
» Captain. Oh, I'm I'm actually sorry

4333
04:10:44,479 --> 04:10:45,040
about that.

4334
04:10:45,040 --> 04:10:45,750
>> That's okay. [laughter]

4335
04:10:45,750 --> 04:10:45,760
» That's okay. [laughter]

4336
04:10:45,760 --> 04:10:49,830
>> Um, so I know I met with you at the

4337
04:10:49,830 --> 04:10:49,840
» Um, so I know I met with you at the

4338
04:10:49,840 --> 04:10:52,239
deescalation training that we just went

4339
04:10:52,239 --> 04:10:54,880
through and I appreciate you allowing me

4340
04:10:54,880 --> 04:10:57,040
to come in there and and allowing me to

4341
04:10:57,040 --> 04:10:59,840
kind of get a view of that training. But

4342
04:10:59,840 --> 04:11:02,319
you also talked about the other part of

4343
04:11:02,319 --> 04:11:06,080
your job. I think uh that is responsive

4344
04:11:06,080 --> 04:11:07,840
to the community. Is that correct? Or

4345
04:11:07,840 --> 04:11:10,000
can you explain to me what you told me

4346
04:11:10,000 --> 04:11:12,640
what you do when it comes to contact

4347
04:11:12,640 --> 04:11:14,319
with the community?

4348
04:11:14,319 --> 04:11:16,150
>> Yeah. What about community engagement?

4349
04:11:16,150 --> 04:11:16,160
» Yeah. What about community engagement?

4350
04:11:16,160 --> 04:11:18,790
>> Yes. Yes. Is that part of what you do?

4351
04:11:18,790 --> 04:11:18,800
» Yes. Yes. Is that part of what you do?

4352
04:11:18,800 --> 04:11:20,389
>> Yes, that is part of what I do.

4353
04:11:20,389 --> 04:11:20,399
» Yes, that is part of what I do.

4354
04:11:20,399 --> 04:11:23,510
>> Okay. So, and I'm just asking in

4355
04:11:23,510 --> 04:11:23,520
» Okay. So, and I'm just asking in

4356
04:11:23,520 --> 04:11:26,000
general, I just know that with this

4357
04:11:26,000 --> 04:11:28,560
going on and some of the timelines I'm

4358
04:11:28,560 --> 04:11:30,560
thinking that we're going to deal with,

4359
04:11:30,560 --> 04:11:33,600
is there a is there a capacity to

4360
04:11:33,600 --> 04:11:37,439
possibly work with an organized group of

4361
04:11:37,439 --> 04:11:39,840
the community? just talk with them and

4362
04:11:39,840 --> 04:11:42,720
meet with them in a in an appropriate

4363
04:11:42,720 --> 04:11:45,199
type of way in order for us to all be

4364
04:11:45,199 --> 04:11:47,279
working together as opposed to them

4365
04:11:47,279 --> 04:11:49,600
doing this and you guys doing that in a

4366
04:11:49,600 --> 04:11:51,600
way that respects

4367
04:11:51,600 --> 04:11:54,239
um the due process of everything that's

4368
04:11:54,239 --> 04:11:57,840
going on. Is that is that something that

4369
04:11:57,840 --> 04:12:00,800
that we could consider? um and not

4370
04:12:00,800 --> 04:12:02,720
specifically you to your job, but I just

4371
04:12:02,720 --> 04:12:05,199
was thinking about when we talked that I

4372
04:12:05,199 --> 04:12:07,359
didn't realize that there is a capacity

4373
04:12:07,359 --> 04:12:11,920
possibly or opportunity within that um

4374
04:12:11,920 --> 04:12:14,479
um in a way to

4375
04:12:14,479 --> 04:12:17,520
um I mean because look we I mean

4376
04:12:17,520 --> 04:12:19,359
eventually we'll be in a situation where

4377
04:12:19,359 --> 04:12:21,840
we'll be going forward and I think going

4378
04:12:21,840 --> 04:12:24,160
forward uh we have to do it together as

4379
04:12:24,160 --> 04:12:26,960
best we can when we can however we can

4380
04:12:26,960 --> 04:12:29,920
and um I just want to throw throw that I

4381
04:12:29,920 --> 04:12:32,720
guess that abstract idea out to all of

4382
04:12:32,720 --> 04:12:35,920
you. Uh and for the community also to be

4383
04:12:35,920 --> 04:12:38,319
in a situation where they're prepared to

4384
04:12:38,319 --> 04:12:42,239
also want to um have a productive

4385
04:12:42,239 --> 04:12:44,319
going forward eventually when it's

4386
04:12:44,319 --> 04:12:46,960
appropriate time to kind of do that. So

4387
04:12:46,960 --> 04:12:48,479
uh could you respond to that please?

4388
04:12:48,479 --> 04:12:51,030
>> Can I answer that please? So we are

4389
04:12:51,030 --> 04:12:51,040
» Can I answer that please? So we are

4390
04:12:51,040 --> 04:12:52,800
always looking for ways for community

4391
04:12:52,800 --> 04:12:54,880
engagement. Again, the difficulty is

4392
04:12:54,880 --> 04:12:56,560
because there's an open investigation

4393
04:12:56,560 --> 04:12:58,640
that could be several weeks or or up to

4394
04:12:58,640 --> 04:13:01,680
a year. We would be willing to have

4395
04:13:01,680 --> 04:13:04,560
those community type engagement events,

4396
04:13:04,560 --> 04:13:06,640
but it will be difficult because I think

4397
04:13:06,640 --> 04:13:09,439
the community will expect specific

4398
04:13:09,439 --> 04:13:11,920
answers to questions related to this

4399
04:13:11,920 --> 04:13:14,720
case. And so if there's ways to have

4400
04:13:14,720 --> 04:13:17,600
engagement and conversations and, you

4401
04:13:17,600 --> 04:13:19,199
know,

4402
04:13:19,199 --> 04:13:21,760
allow us to get feedback on how to do

4403
04:13:21,760 --> 04:13:24,159
things better, we're always willing to

4404
04:13:24,159 --> 04:13:26,560
make that happen. But again, we wouldn't

4405
04:13:26,560 --> 04:13:29,040
be able to answer any specifics about

4406
04:13:29,040 --> 04:13:30,159
this case.

4407
04:13:30,159 --> 04:13:32,710
>> Yeah. And I and and I understand that

4408
04:13:32,710 --> 04:13:32,720
» Yeah. And I and and I understand that

4409
04:13:32,720 --> 04:13:34,880
and I think to a certain level, a lot of

4410
04:13:34,880 --> 04:13:36,319
people do understand that in the

4411
04:13:36,319 --> 04:13:40,880
community. I I just think um

4412
04:13:40,880 --> 04:13:43,120
maybe in more in a general context as

4413
04:13:43,120 --> 04:13:46,560
far as policy, policy education, policy

4414
04:13:46,560 --> 04:13:49,040
goals, and just having a conversation

4415
04:13:49,040 --> 04:13:51,199
with uh community members who are

4416
04:13:51,199 --> 04:13:53,120
willing to

4417
04:13:53,120 --> 04:13:54,960
learn more about that so then they can

4418
04:13:54,960 --> 04:13:58,080
advocate in a way that is something

4419
04:13:58,080 --> 04:14:02,560
that's in intertwined with kind of the

4420
04:14:02,560 --> 04:14:04,239
department's goals as far as the

4421
04:14:04,239 --> 04:14:05,199
community is concerned and that

4422
04:14:05,199 --> 04:14:07,040
connection. I think that's what I'm

4423
04:14:07,040 --> 04:14:09,279
really asking about. Um, and just that

4424
04:14:09,279 --> 04:14:11,600
appetite for that and really quite

4425
04:14:11,600 --> 04:14:14,720
frankly the the necessity of that for us

4426
04:14:14,720 --> 04:14:17,600
to go forward as a department and the

4427
04:14:17,600 --> 04:14:20,319
community and and being able to start

4428
04:14:20,319 --> 04:14:22,880
eventually a process of healing. So,

4429
04:14:22,880 --> 04:14:25,030
>> so the chief did talk about that and

4430
04:14:25,030 --> 04:14:25,040
» so the chief did talk about that and

4431
04:14:25,040 --> 04:14:26,560
actually was presented in the slideshow.

4432
04:14:26,560 --> 04:14:29,199
We just did graduate 19 members from the

4433
04:14:29,199 --> 04:14:31,120
community uh from the citizens police

4434
04:14:31,120 --> 04:14:33,279
academy and currently our capacity is to

4435
04:14:33,279 --> 04:14:35,520
only host one citizens police academy a

4436
04:14:35,520 --> 04:14:37,520
year because our staffing is so so short

4437
04:14:37,520 --> 04:14:39,840
and so low. Uh we do other community

4438
04:14:39,840 --> 04:14:41,520
engagement events including recruiting

4439
04:14:41,520 --> 04:14:44,239
fairs at LCC which was the techmen of

4440
04:14:44,239 --> 04:14:46,479
colors. We're doing recruiting events uh

4441
04:14:46,479 --> 04:14:48,800
if we have staffing at the glam coming

4442
04:14:48,800 --> 04:14:50,880
up as well. Uh and community engagement

4443
04:14:50,880 --> 04:14:52,000
events where we have tables and we

4444
04:14:52,000 --> 04:14:53,600
interact with people. The Easter egg

4445
04:14:53,600 --> 04:14:55,040
hunt that was talked about in the slide.

4446
04:14:55,040 --> 04:14:57,120
So, we do quite a few, but in regards to

4447
04:14:57,120 --> 04:14:59,600
your specific like education piece, um

4448
04:14:59,600 --> 04:15:01,520
the Citizens Police Academy and there's

4449
04:15:01,520 --> 04:15:03,840
people um that have graduated that were

4450
04:15:03,840 --> 04:15:04,880
in the audience today that have

4451
04:15:04,880 --> 04:15:06,080
graduated from the Citizens Police

4452
04:15:06,080 --> 04:15:08,239
Academy and has been very uh successful

4453
04:15:08,239 --> 04:15:10,800
or eye opening for many. So, if you're

4454
04:15:10,800 --> 04:15:14,000
interested in that, I'd love to have you

4455
04:15:14,000 --> 04:15:15,920
jump in that class, but that will be

4456
04:15:15,920 --> 04:15:17,439
those are always held in the early

4457
04:15:17,439 --> 04:15:19,920
spring winter. Uh and those classes are

4458
04:15:19,920 --> 04:15:22,800
always full.

4459
04:15:22,800 --> 04:15:27,110
>> Thank you. Any further comments or

4460
04:15:27,110 --> 04:15:27,120
» Thank you. Any further comments or

4461
04:15:27,120 --> 04:15:30,159
questions? I had just one question

4462
04:15:30,159 --> 04:15:31,920
uh related to actually the swatting

4463
04:15:31,920 --> 04:15:34,239
incidents. [clears throat] So, you're

4464
04:15:34,239 --> 04:15:36,800
understaffed. Those things are probably

4465
04:15:36,800 --> 04:15:38,640
pretty intensive in terms of the

4466
04:15:38,640 --> 04:15:41,040
response u because you have to be

4467
04:15:41,040 --> 04:15:43,279
prepared for whatever could be going on

4468
04:15:43,279 --> 04:15:45,600
there for real. Could you address a

4469
04:15:45,600 --> 04:15:48,479
little bit how you manage to cover those

4470
04:15:48,479 --> 04:15:52,800
incidents um given your staffing levels?

4471
04:15:52,800 --> 04:15:55,359
So when we do have a drain on staff of a

4472
04:15:55,359 --> 04:15:58,000
major incident like that, um it does it

4473
04:15:58,000 --> 04:16:00,800
does uh pause essentially everything

4474
04:16:00,800 --> 04:16:03,279
that is non-priority or that is a lesser

4475
04:16:03,279 --> 04:16:06,479
priority. Um which causes uh potential

4476
04:16:06,479 --> 04:16:09,120
concern uh that we're aware of. Um and

4477
04:16:09,120 --> 04:16:11,040
if we need to, we call in mutual aid to

4478
04:16:11,040 --> 04:16:13,040
assist us. So uh we have mutual aid

4479
04:16:13,040 --> 04:16:14,319
agreements with all agencies that

4480
04:16:14,319 --> 04:16:16,000
surround us that will come in and assist

4481
04:16:16,000 --> 04:16:18,000
and back us. Some of them will respond

4482
04:16:18,000 --> 04:16:19,680
to the primary scene, in this instance,

4483
04:16:19,680 --> 04:16:21,600
the high school. Others will just kind

4484
04:16:21,600 --> 04:16:23,920
of backfill. Um if there's traffic

4485
04:16:23,920 --> 04:16:25,920
accidents where injuries occur or things

4486
04:16:25,920 --> 04:16:28,399
of that nature, they'll come in. Uh very

4487
04:16:28,399 --> 04:16:30,159
similar to the fire department, you saw

4488
04:16:30,159 --> 04:16:32,080
some of the stats on mutual aid runs as

4489
04:16:32,080 --> 04:16:34,800
well. Um so yes, that's why it is very

4490
04:16:34,800 --> 04:16:35,920
concerning that these swatting

4491
04:16:35,920 --> 04:16:39,120
incidences tie up uh resources that

4492
04:16:39,120 --> 04:16:42,080
could be used for other real emergencies

4493
04:16:42,080 --> 04:16:45,520
as in real occurring emergencies. Um and

4494
04:16:45,520 --> 04:16:47,920
so as we we look at that, we are working

4495
04:16:47,920 --> 04:16:51,279
with uh partners uh including uh larger

4496
04:16:51,279 --> 04:16:53,439
partners, state and federal um because

4497
04:16:53,439 --> 04:16:55,920
some of the swatting uh investigation is

4498
04:16:55,920 --> 04:16:58,479
being collaborated with them to try to

4499
04:16:58,479 --> 04:17:00,880
find out who actually did it. Um and we

4500
04:17:00,880 --> 04:17:03,359
will hold those people accountable um if

4501
04:17:03,359 --> 04:17:06,399
we can prove who they are. So it is very

4502
04:17:06,399 --> 04:17:07,920
serious.

4503
04:17:07,920 --> 04:17:09,990
>> Did the admin have to get involved?

4504
04:17:09,990 --> 04:17:10,000
» Did the admin have to get involved?

4505
04:17:10,000 --> 04:17:10,630
>> Pardon?

4506
04:17:10,630 --> 04:17:10,640
» Pardon?

4507
04:17:10,640 --> 04:17:13,189
>> Did admin have to get involved? So, um,

4508
04:17:13,189 --> 04:17:13,199
» Did admin have to get involved? So, um,

4509
04:17:13,199 --> 04:17:14,479
yeah, to answer your question a little

4510
04:17:14,479 --> 04:17:16,960
bit more specifically, um, so, um,

4511
04:17:16,960 --> 04:17:18,800
Assistant Chief Croft was at the first

4512
04:17:18,800 --> 04:17:20,640
swatting incident as well as the second

4513
04:17:20,640 --> 04:17:23,760
one. Um, so he led that first, um,

4514
04:17:23,760 --> 04:17:26,800
incident command. Um, and again,

4515
04:17:26,800 --> 04:17:29,040
regional partners had to be drawn in to

4516
04:17:29,040 --> 04:17:31,439
to assist with that incident. The second

4517
04:17:31,439 --> 04:17:33,920
one, um, Assistant Chief Craft and I

4518
04:17:33,920 --> 04:17:36,560
responded ourselves, um, again, to make

4519
04:17:36,560 --> 04:17:38,239
sure that, you know, the city was taken

4520
04:17:38,239 --> 04:17:40,399
care of and the high school was safe. Um

4521
04:17:40,399 --> 04:17:42,000
but for the second one, we had enough

4522
04:17:42,000 --> 04:17:43,680
staffing of our own to be able to handle

4523
04:17:43,680 --> 04:17:47,040
it. But again, um Captain O'Hary is spot

4524
04:17:47,040 --> 04:17:48,800
on in terms of the amount of resources

4525
04:17:48,800 --> 04:17:51,359
these take. And you know, it pulls away

4526
04:17:51,359 --> 04:17:53,920
from other incidences that we should be

4527
04:17:53,920 --> 04:17:55,840
responding to. So again, if it's

4528
04:17:55,840 --> 04:17:57,760
something simple as a traffic accident

4529
04:17:57,760 --> 04:17:59,199
in the city, even when there's no

4530
04:17:59,199 --> 04:18:01,680
injuries, you who wants to sit at that

4531
04:18:01,680 --> 04:18:04,000
traffic accident for an hour waiting for

4532
04:18:04,000 --> 04:18:06,960
a cop to arrive. So it definitely, you

4533
04:18:06,960 --> 04:18:10,399
know, depletes and defers our resources

4534
04:18:10,399 --> 04:18:11,840
on hand.

4535
04:18:11,840 --> 04:18:13,670
>> So it's all it's all hands- on deck in

4536
04:18:13,670 --> 04:18:13,680
» So it's all it's all hands- on deck in

4537
04:18:13,680 --> 04:18:15,520
that sort of situation.

4538
04:18:15,520 --> 04:18:17,830
>> Absolutely.

4539
04:18:17,830 --> 04:18:17,840
» Absolutely.

4540
04:18:17,840 --> 04:18:20,469
>> Any further questions? Council member

4541
04:18:20,469 --> 04:18:20,479
» Any further questions? Council member

4542
04:18:20,479 --> 04:18:21,279
Singh,

4543
04:18:21,279 --> 04:18:24,550
>> I just um I this is more directed uh to

4544
04:18:24,550 --> 04:18:24,560
» I just um I this is more directed uh to

4545
04:18:24,560 --> 04:18:28,479
the city manager to work with ELPD. two

4546
04:18:28,479 --> 04:18:32,080
of the items that came from the Citizens

4547
04:18:32,080 --> 04:18:36,000
for Justice talk about police policy. Uh

4548
04:18:36,000 --> 04:18:39,279
numbers three and four. If you could uh

4549
04:18:39,279 --> 04:18:44,000
work with the ELPD team to create, um

4550
04:18:44,000 --> 04:18:46,479
potential options for those two policy

4551
04:18:46,479 --> 04:18:52,080
areas um within the cited legal cases.

4552
04:18:52,080 --> 04:18:54,720
Um

4553
04:18:54,720 --> 04:18:59,189
I'd be interested to see that.

4554
04:18:59,199 --> 04:19:00,800
That's it.

4555
04:19:00,800 --> 04:19:03,110
>> Anything else?

4556
04:19:03,110 --> 04:19:03,120
» Anything else?

4557
04:19:03,120 --> 04:19:05,840
Anything from the city manager that we

4558
04:19:05,840 --> 04:19:06,880
need to hear?

4559
04:19:06,880 --> 04:19:07,750
>> I have nothing.

4560
04:19:07,750 --> 04:19:07,760
» I have nothing.

4561
04:19:07,760 --> 04:19:09,910
>> Okay. Any anything else we need to hear

4562
04:19:09,910 --> 04:19:09,920
» Okay. Any anything else we need to hear

4563
04:19:09,920 --> 04:19:11,920
from

4564
04:19:11,920 --> 04:19:13,910
>> police administration?

4565
04:19:13,910 --> 04:19:13,920
» police administration?

4566
04:19:13,920 --> 04:19:15,359
Thank you for all Thank you for coming

4567
04:19:15,359 --> 04:19:17,760
tonight and for addressing our

4568
04:19:17,760 --> 04:19:25,670
questions.

4569
04:19:25,680 --> 04:19:27,920
» Okay. Okay. So that brings us to item uh

4570
04:19:27,920 --> 04:19:29,600
4.2

4571
04:19:29,600 --> 04:19:32,560
discussion of proposed 2026 2027

4572
04:19:32,560 --> 04:19:35,600
strategic priorities. I will ask whether

4573
04:19:35,600 --> 04:19:38,000
people are up for forging ahead with

4574
04:19:38,000 --> 04:19:40,080
this.

4575
04:19:40,080 --> 04:19:42,790
>> It's only 133 pages.

4576
04:19:42,790 --> 04:19:42,800
» It's only 133 pages.

4577
04:19:42,800 --> 04:19:44,950
>> What's what's the goal out of this?

4578
04:19:44,950 --> 04:19:44,960
» What's what's the goal out of this?

4579
04:19:44,960 --> 04:19:46,319
Because I know it's been in our budget

4580
04:19:46,319 --> 04:19:51,269
pack. So it'd be good to understand.

4581
04:19:51,279 --> 04:19:53,199
» Yeah. So I'll let the city manager

4582
04:19:53,199 --> 04:19:54,080
address.

4583
04:19:54,080 --> 04:19:58,080
tonight is to review these draft

4584
04:19:58,080 --> 04:20:03,840
um strategic priorities for 2026 27 so

4585
04:20:03,840 --> 04:20:06,080
that ultimately you will adopt them and

4586
04:20:06,080 --> 04:20:09,920
they will become formal um for us to use

4587
04:20:09,920 --> 04:20:13,279
in guiding allocation of city resources

4588
04:20:13,279 --> 04:20:15,279
in the form of property taxes, income

4589
04:20:15,279 --> 04:20:18,080
tax, grants, water sour uh revenues,

4590
04:20:18,080 --> 04:20:21,930
fees and most importantly staff time.

4591
04:20:21,930 --> 04:20:24,630
>> [snorts]

4592
04:20:24,640 --> 04:20:27,760
» Mr. I with with everything going on, I

4593
04:20:27,760 --> 04:20:30,159
haven't had a chance to thoroughly I

4594
04:20:30,159 --> 04:20:31,680
just haven't had a chance to really

4595
04:20:31,680 --> 04:20:33,199
thoroughly go through this and I'm not

4596
04:20:33,199 --> 04:20:36,880
quite sure if I'm the only one um that

4597
04:20:36,880 --> 04:20:39,439
hasn't. Um but I would I would love the

4598
04:20:39,439 --> 04:20:41,760
opportunity to kind of really go through

4599
04:20:41,760 --> 04:20:43,520
this in a way that I can really

4600
04:20:43,520 --> 04:20:45,120
appreciate

4601
04:20:45,120 --> 04:20:48,399
um the 133 pages of information so I can

4602
04:20:48,399 --> 04:20:51,359
better wrap my head around that. Um, and

4603
04:20:51,359 --> 04:20:53,359
so I don't know uh kind of where

4604
04:20:53,359 --> 04:20:55,040
everyone else is with that, but that

4605
04:20:55,040 --> 04:20:57,359
would be something that I would hope we

4606
04:20:57,359 --> 04:20:59,680
could consider.

4607
04:20:59,680 --> 04:21:05,349
>> Others other thoughts?

4608
04:21:05,359 --> 04:21:07,840
I'll just say if if the if the question

4609
04:21:07,840 --> 04:21:13,600
is to defer this to the next um

4610
04:21:13,600 --> 04:21:16,239
discussion only meeting this is that

4611
04:21:16,239 --> 04:21:19,439
would be after the budget has been uh

4612
04:21:19,439 --> 04:21:22,800
approved hopefully [laughter] and if um

4613
04:21:22,800 --> 04:21:25,439
if anything any part of this really

4614
04:21:25,439 --> 04:21:28,159
impacts the decision that we're about to

4615
04:21:28,159 --> 04:21:30,720
make um I guess at the next business

4616
04:21:30,720 --> 04:21:33,920
meeting for uh with regard to the budget

4617
04:21:33,920 --> 04:21:36,800
then we probably should keep going. But

4618
04:21:36,800 --> 04:21:39,199
by the same token, I think it's a good

4619
04:21:39,199 --> 04:21:41,359
idea to give everybody an opportunity to

4620
04:21:41,359 --> 04:21:45,600
really get into this and think about it.

4621
04:21:45,600 --> 04:21:47,920
Some new members were not involved in

4622
04:21:47,920 --> 04:21:50,880
the in the the strategic priorities we

4623
04:21:50,880 --> 04:21:54,640
established two years ago. And uh you

4624
04:21:54,640 --> 04:21:56,880
know, I think it'd be useful to to make

4625
04:21:56,880 --> 04:22:00,800
sure that maybe we have uh a little more

4626
04:22:00,800 --> 04:22:02,560
sort of background information on what

4627
04:22:02,560 --> 04:22:04,000
we were trying to accomplish at that

4628
04:22:04,000 --> 04:22:05,439
time. So,

4629
04:22:05,439 --> 04:22:07,189
>> Council Member Singh, did that answer

4630
04:22:07,189 --> 04:22:07,199
» Council Member Singh, did that answer

4631
04:22:07,199 --> 04:22:10,560
your question? Did you have a follow-up?

4632
04:22:10,560 --> 04:22:13,750
>> I mean, it sounds like the purpose of

4633
04:22:13,750 --> 04:22:13,760
» I mean, it sounds like the purpose of

4634
04:22:13,760 --> 04:22:16,080
tonight's session is just to prepare us

4635
04:22:16,080 --> 04:22:19,680
to vote on the budget and agree with the

4636
04:22:19,680 --> 04:22:21,359
strategic priorities.

4637
04:22:21,359 --> 04:22:23,750
>> So, the purpose tonight is go through

4638
04:22:23,750 --> 04:22:23,760
» So, the purpose tonight is go through

4639
04:22:23,760 --> 04:22:27,359
the proposed 2627

4640
04:22:27,359 --> 04:22:30,720
um and offer any opportunities

4641
04:22:30,720 --> 04:22:32,309
>> priorities or budget. Wait, we

4642
04:22:32,309 --> 04:22:32,319
» priorities or budget. Wait, we

4643
04:22:32,319 --> 04:22:33,429
>> strategic priorities.

4644
04:22:33,429 --> 04:22:33,439
» strategic priorities.

4645
04:22:33,439 --> 04:22:34,309
>> Yeah.

4646
04:22:34,309 --> 04:22:34,319
» Yeah.

4647
04:22:34,319 --> 04:22:39,040
and offer opportunities to amend add

4648
04:22:39,040 --> 04:22:42,479
um priorities that may not have been

4649
04:22:42,479 --> 04:22:44,960
captured or amend some of the ones that

4650
04:22:44,960 --> 04:22:47,279
are being proposed.

4651
04:22:47,279 --> 04:22:49,429
>> So if I understand what you were saying

4652
04:22:49,429 --> 04:22:49,439
» So if I understand what you were saying

4653
04:22:49,439 --> 04:22:52,080
is that we need to go through this

4654
04:22:52,080 --> 04:22:55,199
process in order to stay within

4655
04:22:55,199 --> 04:22:57,120
alignment with our budget decision that

4656
04:22:57,120 --> 04:22:58,319
we have coming up. Is that what you're

4657
04:22:58,319 --> 04:22:58,800
saying?

4658
04:22:58,800 --> 04:23:01,189
>> No, I'm not saying that actually. Uh I

4659
04:23:01,189 --> 04:23:01,199
» No, I'm not saying that actually. Uh I

4660
04:23:01,199 --> 04:23:03,439
think that it is uh related to the

4661
04:23:03,439 --> 04:23:06,720
budget because our priorities you know

4662
04:23:06,720 --> 04:23:09,680
basically establish the budget but the

4663
04:23:09,680 --> 04:23:12,720
establishment of strategic priorities is

4664
04:23:12,720 --> 04:23:14,239
a thing of its own. This is the

4665
04:23:14,239 --> 04:23:16,720
council's priorities. This is not staff

4666
04:23:16,720 --> 04:23:18,640
priorities. you know, hopefully they

4667
04:23:18,640 --> 04:23:21,680
agree with them, but the reality is this

4668
04:23:21,680 --> 04:23:24,080
is us setting the priorities for the

4669
04:23:24,080 --> 04:23:28,239
next two years uh in terms of what our

4670
04:23:28,239 --> 04:23:31,520
expectations would be and and I'll just

4671
04:23:31,520 --> 04:23:34,399
say that in the you know when we

4672
04:23:34,399 --> 04:23:36,319
established the first set of strategic

4673
04:23:36,319 --> 04:23:38,159
priorities

4674
04:23:38,159 --> 04:23:41,439
the it had its own meeting

4675
04:23:41,439 --> 04:23:44,239
basically so that we had an indepth

4676
04:23:44,239 --> 04:23:46,000
discussion on each one of these things

4677
04:23:46,000 --> 04:23:49,199
and frankly it was a big deal and every

4678
04:23:49,199 --> 04:23:52,640
one of the five uh city council members

4679
04:23:52,640 --> 04:23:54,800
made a presentation to the public on one

4680
04:23:54,800 --> 04:23:58,319
of the priorities. So, uh it's changed

4681
04:23:58,319 --> 04:24:01,920
over the years um in some respects, but

4682
04:24:01,920 --> 04:24:04,560
this is an important document

4683
04:24:04,560 --> 04:24:08,319
that u the public I think needs to see

4684
04:24:08,319 --> 04:24:12,319
that we need to spend time with. And uh

4685
04:24:12,319 --> 04:24:14,880
so all I'm saying is we've got a budget

4686
04:24:14,880 --> 04:24:17,600
coming up to the extent that this may

4687
04:24:17,600 --> 04:24:20,800
dictate something in this budget. Then

4688
04:24:20,800 --> 04:24:23,840
maybe we got to spend the time right now

4689
04:24:23,840 --> 04:24:27,760
to to go through this. If it's not, then

4690
04:24:27,760 --> 04:24:31,520
uh we can have it on at a at a meeting

4691
04:24:31,520 --> 04:24:34,399
and spend the whole time digging through

4692
04:24:34,399 --> 04:24:36,720
this and making our comments with regard

4693
04:24:36,720 --> 04:24:38,960
to it. So, I don't know what everybody

4694
04:24:38,960 --> 04:24:41,120
wants to do, but I don't have a problem

4695
04:24:41,120 --> 04:24:45,040
with waiting to do this. I just don't

4696
04:24:45,040 --> 04:24:48,640
want it to impact what we're we're

4697
04:24:48,640 --> 04:24:52,640
required to do, which is to vote on this

4698
04:24:52,640 --> 04:24:57,040
budget. I think by the 29th

4699
04:24:57,040 --> 04:24:58,229
>> 6,

4700
04:24:58,229 --> 04:24:58,239
» 6,

4701
04:24:58,239 --> 04:25:00,070
>> I think it's before that actually the

4702
04:25:00,070 --> 04:25:00,080
» I think it's before that actually the

4703
04:25:00,080 --> 04:25:01,920
third meeting in in May.

4704
04:25:01,920 --> 04:25:02,550
>> Next meeting.

4705
04:25:02,550 --> 04:25:02,560
» Next meeting.

4706
04:25:02,560 --> 04:25:03,110
>> Next Tuesday.

4707
04:25:03,110 --> 04:25:03,120
» Next Tuesday.

4708
04:25:03,120 --> 04:25:05,670
>> Next meeting. The reality though is 98%

4709
04:25:05,670 --> 04:25:05,680
» Next meeting. The reality though is 98%

4710
04:25:05,680 --> 04:25:07,920
of our budgets ba I mean in terms of the

4711
04:25:07,920 --> 04:25:09,199
recommendation

4712
04:25:09,199 --> 04:25:12,070
>> for this year and the staff priorities

4713
04:25:12,070 --> 04:25:12,080
» for this year and the staff priorities

4714
04:25:12,080 --> 04:25:14,880
that you put together is how you built

4715
04:25:14,880 --> 04:25:16,720
the budget because you had staff

4716
04:25:16,720 --> 04:25:17,520
meetings. Yeah.

4717
04:25:17,520 --> 04:25:19,349
>> There's some priorities that are not

4718
04:25:19,349 --> 04:25:19,359
» There's some priorities that are not

4719
04:25:19,359 --> 04:25:19,840
funded.

4720
04:25:19,840 --> 04:25:21,349
>> It's a little

4721
04:25:21,349 --> 04:25:21,359
» It's a little

4722
04:25:21,359 --> 04:25:22,469
>> Yeah, it's a little

4723
04:25:22,469 --> 04:25:22,479
» Yeah, it's a little

4724
04:25:22,479 --> 04:25:24,389
>> it doesn't matter if we do this tonight.

4725
04:25:24,389 --> 04:25:24,399
» it doesn't matter if we do this tonight.

4726
04:25:24,399 --> 04:25:25,920
That's the punch line. Essentially, this

4727
04:25:25,920 --> 04:25:28,000
is us saying

4728
04:25:28,000 --> 04:25:31,040
regardless of this budget that over the

4729
04:25:31,040 --> 04:25:34,000
next two years, this is our expectation.

4730
04:25:34,000 --> 04:25:35,680
These will be our priorities. These are

4731
04:25:35,680 --> 04:25:37,199
the things that we want to accomplish

4732
04:25:37,199 --> 04:25:40,159
and that we need to be working to make

4733
04:25:40,159 --> 04:25:41,760
sure that those are accomplished during

4734
04:25:41,760 --> 04:25:43,520
that time. Doesn't mean we don't add

4735
04:25:43,520 --> 04:25:47,040
things or that other things come up, but

4736
04:25:47,040 --> 04:25:49,600
this is sort of the game plan. So,

4737
04:25:49,600 --> 04:25:51,670
>> Mr. Whan, did you have thoughts on this?

4738
04:25:51,670 --> 04:25:51,680
» Mr. Whan, did you have thoughts on this?

4739
04:25:51,680 --> 04:25:54,159
I thought [clears throat] I did get

4740
04:25:54,159 --> 04:25:56,080
through most of it. I did not get

4741
04:25:56,080 --> 04:25:58,399
through all of it.

4742
04:25:58,399 --> 04:26:01,040
Is there any way we can have a a bridge

4743
04:26:01,040 --> 04:26:03,680
version of the changes?

4744
04:26:03,680 --> 04:26:05,429
>> Is there significant changes from the

4745
04:26:05,429 --> 04:26:05,439
» Is there significant changes from the

4746
04:26:05,439 --> 04:26:07,040
last

4747
04:26:07,040 --> 04:26:08,800
um strategic priorities?

4748
04:26:08,800 --> 04:26:10,950
>> Well, part of my presentation was to

4749
04:26:10,950 --> 04:26:10,960
» Well, part of my presentation was to

4750
04:26:10,960 --> 04:26:13,199
identify those that were being carried

4751
04:26:13,199 --> 04:26:14,159
over

4752
04:26:14,159 --> 04:26:16,469
>> from 2425,

4753
04:26:16,469 --> 04:26:16,479
» from 2425,

4754
04:26:16,479 --> 04:26:19,199
but the other ones are new.

4755
04:26:19,199 --> 04:26:21,269
>> I'm sorry. What? Which ones are new?

4756
04:26:21,269 --> 04:26:21,279
» I'm sorry. What? Which ones are new?

4757
04:26:21,279 --> 04:26:23,990
>> I said part of my presentation would to

4758
04:26:23,990 --> 04:26:24,000
» I said part of my presentation would to

4759
04:26:24,000 --> 04:26:26,319
identify the ones that are being carried

4760
04:26:26,319 --> 04:26:29,279
over from 2425

4761
04:26:29,279 --> 04:26:32,080
and the others are new. [snorts]

4762
04:26:32,080 --> 04:26:35,110
>> And which ones are the new ones?

4763
04:26:35,110 --> 04:26:35,120
» And which ones are the new ones?

4764
04:26:35,120 --> 04:26:37,510
>> I'd be happy to walk through those with

4765
04:26:37,510 --> 04:26:37,520
» I'd be happy to walk through those with

4766
04:26:37,520 --> 04:26:40,560
you this evening. They're not noted on

4767
04:26:40,560 --> 04:26:42,080
the document you have.

4768
04:26:42,080 --> 04:26:47,830
>> Okay. Okay. Um Yeah. I [clears throat]

4769
04:26:47,830 --> 04:26:47,840
» Okay. Okay. Um Yeah. I [clears throat]

4770
04:26:47,840 --> 04:26:50,800
I wish I tried to devote enough time for

4771
04:26:50,800 --> 04:26:52,159
this, but there's a lot of other things

4772
04:26:52,159 --> 04:26:55,359
that can't get in the way. Um, and I do

4773
04:26:55,359 --> 04:26:58,399
app I do appreciate council member Singh

4774
04:26:58,399 --> 04:27:01,359
mentioning that this is kind of a staff

4775
04:27:01,359 --> 04:27:02,880
generated.

4776
04:27:02,880 --> 04:27:05,040
My concern is there's something in there

4777
04:27:05,040 --> 04:27:07,359
that I missed all of a sudden and it's

4778
04:27:07,359 --> 04:27:09,199
like, wait a minute, this is your

4779
04:27:09,199 --> 04:27:12,399
priority. Why aren't you doing this? So,

4780
04:27:12,399 --> 04:27:15,600
um I guess I'm leaning heavily

4781
04:27:15,600 --> 04:27:17,199
on

4782
04:27:17,199 --> 04:27:20,479
our city manager to say that this is

4783
04:27:20,479 --> 04:27:22,640
where

4784
04:27:22,640 --> 04:27:25,680
um this this is where we're heading and

4785
04:27:25,680 --> 04:27:27,040
I just want to make sure I can sign off

4786
04:27:27,040 --> 04:27:29,600
on it. So, I guess between now and next

4787
04:27:29,600 --> 04:27:31,199
Tuesday,

4788
04:27:31,199 --> 04:27:34,479
I will dive into it more. I'm just

4789
04:27:34,479 --> 04:27:36,560
wondering if there's a cliffnotes of

4790
04:27:36,560 --> 04:27:39,199
some of the changes that that we need to

4791
04:27:39,199 --> 04:27:41,920
be aware of. Um because I don't know

4792
04:27:41,920 --> 04:27:44,720
what the I don't know what they were two

4793
04:27:44,720 --> 04:27:47,199
years ago.

4794
04:27:47,199 --> 04:27:48,560
Does that make sense?

4795
04:27:48,560 --> 04:27:50,870
>> Yes, I understand.

4796
04:27:50,870 --> 04:27:50,880
» Yes, I understand.

4797
04:27:50,880 --> 04:27:52,790
>> So, how long would it take for you to

4798
04:27:52,790 --> 04:27:52,800
» So, how long would it take for you to

4799
04:27:52,800 --> 04:27:55,760
present the changes?

4800
04:27:55,760 --> 04:27:59,110
>> I can identify the ones that are

4801
04:27:59,110 --> 04:27:59,120
» I can identify the ones that are

4802
04:27:59,120 --> 04:28:02,800
carryover from prior years. If you want

4803
04:28:02,800 --> 04:28:05,920
me just to highlight those this evening,

4804
04:28:05,920 --> 04:28:07,590
>> I I suggest we do a little bit of work

4805
04:28:07,590 --> 04:28:07,600
» I I suggest we do a little bit of work

4806
04:28:07,600 --> 04:28:09,760
on that front. Does that would are

4807
04:28:09,760 --> 04:28:11,920
people okay with that? Um

4808
04:28:11,920 --> 04:28:13,510
>> highlight the the the carryovers.

4809
04:28:13,510 --> 04:28:13,520
» highlight the the the carryovers.

4810
04:28:13,520 --> 04:28:14,880
That'll get us thinking about it and

4811
04:28:14,880 --> 04:28:18,720
then I suggest that we um just carry

4812
04:28:18,720 --> 04:28:20,720
this over to our next DO meeting so that

4813
04:28:20,720 --> 04:28:23,199
we all have a chance to

4814
04:28:23,199 --> 04:28:28,149
finish the review. Is that

4815
04:28:28,159 --> 04:28:29,920
» I think that's a good way of going.

4816
04:28:29,920 --> 04:28:30,790
>> Mayor Prom.

4817
04:28:30,790 --> 04:28:30,800
» Mayor Prom.

4818
04:28:30,800 --> 04:28:31,590
>> Yes, sir.

4819
04:28:31,590 --> 04:28:31,600
» Yes, sir.

4820
04:28:31,600 --> 04:28:34,229
>> Council Sang.

4821
04:28:34,229 --> 04:28:34,239
» Council Sang.

4822
04:28:34,239 --> 04:28:35,349
>> Okay.

4823
04:28:35,349 --> 04:28:35,359
» Okay.

4824
04:28:35,359 --> 04:28:38,550
>> So, just the floor is yours. uh if I may

4825
04:28:38,550 --> 04:28:38,560
» So, just the floor is yours. uh if I may

4826
04:28:38,560 --> 04:28:43,279
2026 27 strategic priorities include 60

4827
04:28:43,279 --> 04:28:46,960
goals under six focus areas. Focus areas

4828
04:28:46,960 --> 04:28:49,520
are financial stability that have nine

4829
04:28:49,520 --> 04:28:52,159
goals, strong economy that have four,

4830
04:28:52,159 --> 04:28:54,159
sound infrastructure and environmental

4831
04:28:54,159 --> 04:28:57,279
sustainability have nine goals, safe

4832
04:28:57,279 --> 04:29:00,000
community has 12, sense of place has

4833
04:29:00,000 --> 04:29:02,319
eight, and high performing government

4834
04:29:02,319 --> 04:29:04,800
has 18. So I'm going to just highlight

4835
04:29:04,800 --> 04:29:08,159
the ones um

4836
04:29:08,159 --> 04:29:11,439
that carry over from

4837
04:29:11,439 --> 04:29:15,189
2425

4838
04:29:15,199 --> 04:29:20,080
and there are under financial stability.

4839
04:29:20,080 --> 04:29:24,880
Goal eight and goal nine carryover from

4840
04:29:24,880 --> 04:29:28,206
the prior strategic priorities

4841
04:29:28,206 --> 04:29:29,516
[clears throat]

4842
04:29:29,516 --> 04:29:30,560
[snorts]

4843
04:29:30,560 --> 04:29:32,640
under the focus area of a strong

4844
04:29:32,640 --> 04:29:37,439
economy. Goal one, goal two,

4845
04:29:37,439 --> 04:29:42,319
and goal three carryover from prior

4846
04:29:42,319 --> 04:29:51,189
strategic priorities.

4847
04:29:51,199 --> 04:29:53,439
under sound infrastructure and

4848
04:29:53,439 --> 04:29:55,920
environmental sustainability.

4849
04:29:55,920 --> 04:30:00,399
Um the opening statement is really

4850
04:30:00,399 --> 04:30:03,680
continuation of 2425.

4851
04:30:03,680 --> 04:30:08,399
Um, goal seven number A and goal number

4852
04:30:08,399 --> 04:30:11,920
two is a continuation as well as goal

4853
04:30:11,920 --> 04:30:15,030
three

4854
04:30:15,040 --> 04:30:17,439
and and

4855
04:30:17,439 --> 04:30:22,550
uh goal four action item L,

4856
04:30:22,560 --> 04:30:25,279
goal six,

4857
04:30:25,279 --> 04:30:30,640
goal seven, and goal eight

4858
04:30:30,640 --> 04:30:32,800
as well as

4859
04:30:32,800 --> 04:30:37,920
goal 10 in that focus area [snorts]

4860
04:30:37,920 --> 04:30:45,429
under the focus area of safe community.

4861
04:30:45,439 --> 04:30:48,640
Those were all new

4862
04:30:48,640 --> 04:30:51,760
under sense of place.

4863
04:30:51,760 --> 04:30:54,399
uh goal one,

4864
04:30:54,399 --> 04:30:56,479
goal two,

4865
04:30:56,479 --> 04:30:58,720
goal five,

4866
04:30:58,720 --> 04:31:01,520
goal six,

4867
04:31:01,520 --> 04:31:06,710
our carryover from 202425.

4868
04:31:06,720 --> 04:31:09,359
And under the final focus area of high

4869
04:31:09,359 --> 04:31:15,269
performing government, goal one,

4870
04:31:15,279 --> 04:31:18,080
goal five,

4871
04:31:18,080 --> 04:31:20,239
goal 7,

4872
04:31:20,239 --> 04:31:24,790
goal 10,

4873
04:31:24,800 --> 04:31:29,382
goal 18, carryover from 24 25.

4874
04:31:29,382 --> 04:31:32,710
[snorts]

4875
04:31:32,720 --> 04:31:35,359
I can send that out in a memo to you too

4876
04:31:35,359 --> 04:31:38,479
if you would like me to [laughter]

4877
04:31:38,479 --> 04:31:41,990
>> I know you have strong recollection and

4878
04:31:41,990 --> 04:31:42,000
» I know you have strong recollection and

4879
04:31:42,000 --> 04:31:45,110
>> so we've had a request to to do that.

4880
04:31:45,110 --> 04:31:45,120
» so we've had a request to to do that.

4881
04:31:45,120 --> 04:31:45,590
>> Okay.

4882
04:31:45,590 --> 04:31:45,600
» Okay.

4883
04:31:45,600 --> 04:31:50,469
>> Um any reactions to that brief overview

4884
04:31:50,469 --> 04:31:50,479
» Um any reactions to that brief overview

4885
04:31:50,479 --> 04:31:53,279
questions or comments?

4886
04:31:53,279 --> 04:31:54,389
>> Mr. Griggsby,

4887
04:31:54,389 --> 04:31:54,399
» Mr. Griggsby,

4888
04:31:54,399 --> 04:31:56,630
>> I just thank you for adjusting. I mean I

4889
04:31:56,630 --> 04:31:56,640
» I just thank you for adjusting. I mean I

4890
04:31:56,640 --> 04:31:56,960
know you

4891
04:31:56,960 --> 04:31:59,269
>> Oh, you're welcome. you had a you had a

4892
04:31:59,269 --> 04:31:59,279
» Oh, you're welcome. you had a you had a

4893
04:31:59,279 --> 04:32:01,279
something probably else in mind and I

4894
04:32:01,279 --> 04:32:04,000
like I said I do apologize that um I

4895
04:32:04,000 --> 04:32:05,680
just didn't thoroughly have a the

4896
04:32:05,680 --> 04:32:08,080
capacity to go through all of this and I

4897
04:32:08,080 --> 04:32:10,080
really want to appreciate it and learn

4898
04:32:10,080 --> 04:32:12,640
up because I you know this I think this

4899
04:32:12,640 --> 04:32:15,199
is important as as council member uh

4900
04:32:15,199 --> 04:32:17,279
Meadows had mentioned um and there was a

4901
04:32:17,279 --> 04:32:20,159
lot of work put into this and I just

4902
04:32:20,159 --> 04:32:21,600
want to make sure that I'm on the same

4903
04:32:21,600 --> 04:32:26,000
page uh as I visit departments and meet

4904
04:32:26,000 --> 04:32:27,840
with people and just kind really make

4905
04:32:27,840 --> 04:32:30,159
sure that I'm understanding

4906
04:32:30,159 --> 04:32:34,319
um how to best serve going forward. So,

4907
04:32:34,319 --> 04:32:34,720
thank you.

4908
04:32:34,720 --> 04:32:35,910
>> Sure.

4909
04:32:35,910 --> 04:32:35,920
» Sure.

4910
04:32:35,920 --> 04:32:38,309
>> And and if I may, the biggest component

4911
04:32:38,309 --> 04:32:38,319
» And and if I may, the biggest component

4912
04:32:38,319 --> 04:32:40,080
of the

4913
04:32:40,080 --> 04:32:43,920
133 pages is just a recap and kind of

4914
04:32:43,920 --> 04:32:46,640
summary report of the 2425 strategic

4915
04:32:46,640 --> 04:32:49,520
priorities. Um you know, we tried to

4916
04:32:49,520 --> 04:32:52,960
identify in a graphic format those that

4917
04:32:52,960 --> 04:32:55,439
were completed had a check mark. Those

4918
04:32:55,439 --> 04:32:58,080
that were still being made or progress

4919
04:32:58,080 --> 04:33:00,720
being made had an upward arrow and then

4920
04:33:00,720 --> 04:33:02,880
those that no progress was being made

4921
04:33:02,880 --> 04:33:05,520
was a downward arrow. But after that is

4922
04:33:05,520 --> 04:33:08,240
a lot of details that were shared by

4923
04:33:08,240 --> 04:33:11,279
departments identifying specific

4924
04:33:11,279 --> 04:33:14,639
actions, events, programs, services that

4925
04:33:14,639 --> 04:33:16,240
supported

4926
04:33:16,240 --> 04:33:19,520
those summary reports.

4927
04:33:19,520 --> 04:33:20,230
>> Council member

4928
04:33:20,230 --> 04:33:20,240
» Council member

4929
04:33:20,240 --> 04:33:24,150
>> questions. Yeah, just um so as staff was

4930
04:33:24,150 --> 04:33:24,160
» questions. Yeah, just um so as staff was

4931
04:33:24,160 --> 04:33:26,799
going through some of the the fire chief

4932
04:33:26,799 --> 04:33:28,400
that

4933
04:33:28,400 --> 04:33:30,320
um

4934
04:33:30,320 --> 04:33:33,279
is it increasing cost recovery by 3%.

4935
04:33:33,279 --> 04:33:33,910
>> Right.

4936
04:33:33,910 --> 04:33:33,920
» Right.

4937
04:33:33,920 --> 04:33:37,109
>> Is that an achievable goal that staff

4938
04:33:37,109 --> 04:33:37,119
» Is that an achievable goal that staff

4939
04:33:37,119 --> 04:33:40,400
felt comfortable in including?

4940
04:33:40,400 --> 04:33:41,590
>> I believe so.

4941
04:33:41,590 --> 04:33:41,600
» I believe so.

4942
04:33:41,600 --> 04:33:43,189
>> Okay. We chose that.

4943
04:33:43,189 --> 04:33:43,199
» Okay. We chose that.

4944
04:33:43,199 --> 04:33:46,789
>> And then for the

4945
04:33:46,789 --> 04:33:46,799
» And then for the

4946
04:33:46,799 --> 04:33:48,400
um I think there's another one in terms

4947
04:33:48,400 --> 04:33:51,279
of the parks and rock um

4948
04:33:51,279 --> 04:33:52,551
>> reducing [clears throat] the general

4949
04:33:52,551 --> 04:33:52,561
» reducing [clears throat] the general

4950
04:33:52,561 --> 04:33:53,920
fund contribution.

4951
04:33:53,920 --> 04:33:55,189
>> Yeah. By 10%.

4952
04:33:55,189 --> 04:33:55,199
» Yeah. By 10%.

4953
04:33:55,199 --> 04:33:56,070
>> Yes.

4954
04:33:56,070 --> 04:33:56,080
» Yes.

4955
04:33:56,080 --> 04:33:59,750
>> Um do is that achievable?

4956
04:33:59,750 --> 04:33:59,760
» Um do is that achievable?

4957
04:33:59,760 --> 04:34:02,629
>> So we're we're close. When we did the

4958
04:34:02,629 --> 04:34:02,639
» So we're we're close. When we did the

4959
04:34:02,639 --> 04:34:05,039
adjustment at the last meeting of about

4960
04:34:05,039 --> 04:34:06,561
400,000,

4961
04:34:06,561 --> 04:34:09,600
you know, we were just shy of 10%

4962
04:34:09,600 --> 04:34:12,080
because I think we're 2.6 6 million. So

4963
04:34:12,080 --> 04:34:14,799
that would have been about 520.

4964
04:34:14,799 --> 04:34:18,879
So about 120,000 shy. I thought that was

4965
04:34:18,879 --> 04:34:21,520
a nice attempt. And I'm I know they'll

4966
04:34:21,520 --> 04:34:24,000
continue to work on trying to shave off

4967
04:34:24,000 --> 04:34:25,039
costs.

4968
04:34:25,039 --> 04:34:28,789
>> And and has the uh parks and wreck

4969
04:34:28,789 --> 04:34:28,799
» And and has the uh parks and wreck

4970
04:34:28,799 --> 04:34:30,400
commission

4971
04:34:30,400 --> 04:34:32,639
had any feedback for our director on

4972
04:34:32,639 --> 04:34:33,439
that goal?

4973
04:34:33,439 --> 04:34:36,230
>> Uh not that I'm aware of. I know he was

4974
04:34:36,230 --> 04:34:36,240
» Uh not that I'm aware of. I know he was

4975
04:34:36,240 --> 04:34:38,400
provided the flexibility of how to

4976
04:34:38,400 --> 04:34:41,199
absorb that reduction in 400,000 and I

4977
04:34:41,199 --> 04:34:42,561
know he was going to take it back to the

4978
04:34:42,561 --> 04:34:44,879
advisory board to share with them some

4979
04:34:44,879 --> 04:34:48,879
of his um conceptual approaches. I don't

4980
04:34:48,879 --> 04:34:50,480
know if that's taken place

4981
04:34:50,480 --> 04:34:53,189
>> and and forgive me because I am skimming

4982
04:34:53,189 --> 04:34:53,199
» and and forgive me because I am skimming

4983
04:34:53,199 --> 04:34:59,429
back through the presentation uh

4984
04:34:59,439 --> 04:35:01,119
in term like I'm looking at some of the

4985
04:35:01,119 --> 04:35:08,070
sense of place and this is definitely

4986
04:35:08,080 --> 04:35:11,840
you know one of the best attributes of

4987
04:35:11,840 --> 04:35:14,719
the city of East Lancing but one I would

4988
04:35:14,719 --> 04:35:19,199
argue is in a challenging time right Now

4989
04:35:19,199 --> 04:35:20,719
um

4990
04:35:20,719 --> 04:35:22,561
like when you talk about address

4991
04:35:22,561 --> 04:35:24,719
barriers to participation of community

4992
04:35:24,719 --> 04:35:26,480
outreach and analyzing program

4993
04:35:26,480 --> 04:35:29,279
participation in demographic area is

4994
04:35:29,279 --> 04:35:31,439
that going to be departmentwide

4995
04:35:31,439 --> 04:35:35,600
departmentalwide across the enterprise.

4996
04:35:35,600 --> 04:35:38,310
>> Yeah I I'm sure uh the approach is

4997
04:35:38,310 --> 04:35:38,320
» Yeah I I'm sure uh the approach is

4998
04:35:38,320 --> 04:35:40,160
across departments but it's going to

4999
04:35:40,160 --> 04:35:42,959
focus on you know I know Matt Apostle is

5000
04:35:42,959 --> 04:35:44,719
doing some of that through DMB and

5001
04:35:44,719 --> 04:35:47,119
tracking who comes to events. I know

5002
04:35:47,119 --> 04:35:49,119
parks and wreck and arts have been doing

5003
04:35:49,119 --> 04:35:51,680
that through all of their programs. Uh

5004
04:35:51,680 --> 04:35:54,480
the scholarship that they offer allows

5005
04:35:54,480 --> 04:35:57,119
for those that may not be able to afford

5006
04:35:57,119 --> 04:35:59,920
outright to attend to be able to attend

5007
04:35:59,920 --> 04:36:01,520
and participate in some of those

5008
04:36:01,520 --> 04:36:03,760
programs. So that hits some of the

5009
04:36:03,760 --> 04:36:05,520
points that fall under [snorts] that

5010
04:36:05,520 --> 04:36:06,080
goal

5011
04:36:06,080 --> 04:36:08,230
>> including demographic area, you know,

5012
04:36:08,230 --> 04:36:08,240
» including demographic area, you know,

5013
04:36:08,240 --> 04:36:10,959
and this the whole [snorts]

5014
04:36:10,959 --> 04:36:16,080
equity piece that has become a bad term

5015
04:36:16,080 --> 04:36:18,639
under this federal administration.

5016
04:36:18,639 --> 04:36:21,600
Um, I know once upon a time we talked

5017
04:36:21,600 --> 04:36:24,160
about or at least privately you and I

5018
04:36:24,160 --> 04:36:28,480
had had a conversation about publishing,

5019
04:36:28,480 --> 04:36:32,799
you know, demographic data on our

5020
04:36:32,799 --> 04:36:33,840
workforce,

5021
04:36:33,840 --> 04:36:34,150
>> right,

5022
04:36:34,150 --> 04:36:34,160
» right,

5023
04:36:34,160 --> 04:36:37,910
>> and moving the needle. Um, do we have

5024
04:36:37,910 --> 04:36:37,920
» and moving the needle. Um, do we have

5025
04:36:37,920 --> 04:36:40,000
any of those pieces outlined

5026
04:36:40,000 --> 04:36:42,879
enterprisewide? And I say that's across

5027
04:36:42,879 --> 04:36:45,279
all departments. That's where some I

5028
04:36:45,279 --> 04:36:48,080
mean the work that still needs to be

5029
04:36:48,080 --> 04:36:53,680
done is to um report on it and see if we

5030
04:36:53,680 --> 04:36:56,160
are in fact having positive impact

5031
04:36:56,160 --> 04:36:58,719
through the investments we make either

5032
04:36:58,719 --> 04:37:01,760
through uh DEI

5033
04:37:01,760 --> 04:37:04,320
office and through HR and our

5034
04:37:04,320 --> 04:37:08,160
recruitment efforts, our um training

5035
04:37:08,160 --> 04:37:11,920
opportunities and trying to get um at

5036
04:37:11,920 --> 04:37:14,080
the organizational level, the workg

5037
04:37:14,080 --> 04:37:16,400
groupoup level and the supervisory level

5038
04:37:16,400 --> 04:37:20,240
all aligned with um inclusive

5039
04:37:20,240 --> 04:37:23,840
type activities, policies and um

5040
04:37:23,840 --> 04:37:25,279
behavior

5041
04:37:25,279 --> 04:37:27,590
>> and how like action item D leverage

5042
04:37:27,590 --> 04:37:27,600
» and how like action item D leverage

5043
04:37:27,600 --> 04:37:29,600
mutually beneficial partnerships to

5044
04:37:29,600 --> 04:37:31,520
provide relevant opportunities to

5045
04:37:31,520 --> 04:37:34,320
responsive to that are responsive to

5046
04:37:34,320 --> 04:37:36,879
community needs. Like who's in charge of

5047
04:37:36,879 --> 04:37:37,520
that?

5048
04:37:37,520 --> 04:37:39,269
>> Which one are you talking about?

5049
04:37:39,269 --> 04:37:39,279
» Which one are you talking about?

5050
04:37:39,279 --> 04:37:43,429
>> Sense of place action item D.

5051
04:37:43,429 --> 04:37:43,439
» Sense of place action item D.

5052
04:37:43,439 --> 04:37:47,359
You want to talk? I'm talking.

5053
04:37:47,359 --> 04:37:49,359
It's because of Whan. Whan, we're still

5054
04:37:49,359 --> 04:37:50,160
here.

5055
04:37:50,160 --> 04:37:51,990
>> Is that under which goal? I'm sorry.

5056
04:37:51,990 --> 04:37:52,000
» Is that under which goal? I'm sorry.

5057
04:37:52,000 --> 04:37:53,750
>> Sense of place.

5058
04:37:53,750 --> 04:37:53,760
» Sense of place.

5059
04:37:53,760 --> 04:37:55,269
>> It's on category.

5060
04:37:55,269 --> 04:37:55,279
» It's on category.

5061
04:37:55,279 --> 04:37:57,349
>> So, I'm looking for

5062
04:37:57,349 --> 04:37:57,359
» So, I'm looking for

5063
04:37:57,359 --> 04:37:59,670
>> page in my document here.

5064
04:37:59,670 --> 04:37:59,680
» page in my document here.

5065
04:37:59,680 --> 04:38:02,949
>> Okay. But there's a goal. Is it goal one

5066
04:38:02,949 --> 04:38:02,959
» Okay. But there's a goal. Is it goal one

5067
04:38:02,959 --> 04:38:04,959
item D?

5068
04:38:04,959 --> 04:38:07,910
>> It's after safe community sense of goal

5069
04:38:07,910 --> 04:38:07,920
» It's after safe community sense of goal

5070
04:38:07,920 --> 04:38:10,240
one action item D.

5071
04:38:10,240 --> 04:38:12,551
>> B. D is in dog.

5072
04:38:12,551 --> 04:38:12,561
» B. D is in dog.

5073
04:38:12,561 --> 04:38:15,670
>> Okay. Leverage mutually beneficial

5074
04:38:15,670 --> 04:38:15,680
» Okay. Leverage mutually beneficial

5075
04:38:15,680 --> 04:38:17,760
partnerships to provide relevant

5076
04:38:17,760 --> 04:38:20,000
opportunities that are responsive to

5077
04:38:20,000 --> 04:38:21,600
community needs. Yeah.

5078
04:38:21,600 --> 04:38:23,670
>> It'll be parks and wreck. It'll be, you

5079
04:38:23,670 --> 04:38:23,680
» It'll be parks and wreck. It'll be, you

5080
04:38:23,680 --> 04:38:25,680
know, other departments that do have

5081
04:38:25,680 --> 04:38:27,359
partnerships

5082
04:38:27,359 --> 04:38:31,840
um through our neighbors,

5083
04:38:31,840 --> 04:38:34,959
be it the university,

5084
04:38:34,959 --> 04:38:39,349
be it the downtown.

5085
04:38:39,359 --> 04:38:39,680
Okay.

5086
04:38:39,680 --> 04:38:41,750
>> But I'll get you further clarification

5087
04:38:41,750 --> 04:38:41,760
» But I'll get you further clarification

5088
04:38:41,760 --> 04:38:42,240
if

5089
04:38:42,240 --> 04:38:43,510
>> Well, I guess at the end of the day,

5090
04:38:43,510 --> 04:38:43,520
» Well, I guess at the end of the day,

5091
04:38:43,520 --> 04:38:45,439
you're in charge ultimately.

5092
04:38:45,439 --> 04:38:46,150
>> Absolutely.

5093
04:38:46,150 --> 04:38:46,160
» Absolutely.

5094
04:38:46,160 --> 04:38:49,109
>> All right, I'm done.

5095
04:38:49,109 --> 04:38:49,119
» All right, I'm done.

5096
04:38:49,119 --> 04:38:50,709
>> So, a couple of comments. I like this

5097
04:38:50,709 --> 04:38:50,719
» So, a couple of comments. I like this

5098
04:38:50,719 --> 04:38:52,639
approach. I think I've been through a

5099
04:38:52,639 --> 04:38:54,160
bunch of versions of the strategic

5100
04:38:54,160 --> 04:38:56,240
priorities as Mark was saying earlier

5101
04:38:56,240 --> 04:38:59,600
and I like I like this idea of having

5102
04:38:59,600 --> 04:39:01,119
staff because they've got hands-on every

5103
04:39:01,119 --> 04:39:04,160
day and generating you know ideas and

5104
04:39:04,160 --> 04:39:07,600
then and then we get to sort of

5105
04:39:07,600 --> 04:39:10,639
snapshot them in place. So I I like this

5106
04:39:10,639 --> 04:39:12,080
approach. One of the things that struck

5107
04:39:12,080 --> 04:39:14,561
me during your recitation of the

5108
04:39:14,561 --> 04:39:16,400
carryover is that there's a lot of new

5109
04:39:16,400 --> 04:39:19,920
goals and action items on here. Um, and

5110
04:39:19,920 --> 04:39:22,160
I guess my [clears throat] question is

5111
04:39:22,160 --> 04:39:26,160
whether uh

5112
04:39:26,160 --> 04:39:28,561
whether there's too many or an

5113
04:39:28,561 --> 04:39:30,320
appropriate number or whether it sort of

5114
04:39:30,320 --> 04:39:31,840
dovetailes with what we're doing anyway.

5115
04:39:31,840 --> 04:39:33,920
I don't want I guess my point is I don't

5116
04:39:33,920 --> 04:39:37,520
want people to think that

5117
04:39:37,520 --> 04:39:40,160
we're asking them to go beyond

5118
04:39:40,160 --> 04:39:42,080
what they have the capacity to do.

5119
04:39:42,080 --> 04:39:44,480
That's kind of my question. And so I

5120
04:39:44,480 --> 04:39:47,280
don't know if

5121
04:39:47,280 --> 04:39:49,040
I hope there's a I hope that appropriate

5122
04:39:49,040 --> 04:39:50,638
level of realism is already built in

5123
04:39:50,638 --> 04:39:53,360
here, but I hope as we sort of review

5124
04:39:53,360 --> 04:39:55,680
this that people should feel free to

5125
04:39:55,680 --> 04:39:58,958
say, okay, this this just is too much

5126
04:39:58,958 --> 04:40:00,718
for us or something like that. That's I

5127
04:40:00,718 --> 04:40:01,840
don't know if you want to address that

5128
04:40:01,840 --> 04:40:02,320
comment.

5129
04:40:02,320 --> 04:40:05,030
>> Sure. So that is in part why this

5130
04:40:05,030 --> 04:40:05,040
» Sure. So that is in part why this

5131
04:40:05,040 --> 04:40:07,600
approach was taken. Uh if you recall

5132
04:40:07,600 --> 04:40:09,920
back in 24 in January, departments got

5133
04:40:09,920 --> 04:40:12,718
up and just told you some of the

5134
04:40:12,718 --> 04:40:14,480
challenges and opportunities that they

5135
04:40:14,480 --> 04:40:17,360
faced and then council shaped the 10

5136
04:40:17,360 --> 04:40:21,040
goals that we adopted in 2425.

5137
04:40:21,040 --> 04:40:23,920
This one is one it involved all

5138
04:40:23,920 --> 04:40:26,878
departments. They all have some element

5139
04:40:26,878 --> 04:40:30,080
of goals and act action items in this

5140
04:40:30,080 --> 04:40:33,600
document. Two, they uh tried to focus on

5141
04:40:33,600 --> 04:40:36,560
what they're already working on. Um,

5142
04:40:36,560 --> 04:40:40,000
three, yes, there's 60 goals in here. We

5143
04:40:40,000 --> 04:40:42,000
may not get to them all where we say at

5144
04:40:42,000 --> 04:40:43,920
the end of two years they're complete.

5145
04:40:43,920 --> 04:40:45,200
Some of these goals are going to be

5146
04:40:45,200 --> 04:40:48,638
ongoing um and require continuous

5147
04:40:48,638 --> 04:40:51,040
conversation with council coming back

5148
04:40:51,040 --> 04:40:53,280
about implications

5149
04:40:53,280 --> 04:40:56,320
of i.e. the storm water authority to

5150
04:40:56,320 --> 04:40:58,958
pursue examine setting up a storm water

5151
04:40:58,958 --> 04:41:00,878
authority is going to have multiple

5152
04:41:00,878 --> 04:41:03,280
levels of discussion with council as to

5153
04:41:03,280 --> 04:41:04,958
what does that look like? what is the

5154
04:41:04,958 --> 04:41:07,600
implications financially and how will it

5155
04:41:07,600 --> 04:41:10,000
benefit the city moving forward.

5156
04:41:10,000 --> 04:41:11,990
>> Okay, that's helpful. So, as long as

5157
04:41:11,990 --> 04:41:12,000
» Okay, that's helpful. So, as long as

5158
04:41:12,000 --> 04:41:13,920
people know that not every goal needs to

5159
04:41:13,920 --> 04:41:15,680
be accomplished in, you know, two years,

5160
04:41:15,680 --> 04:41:17,200
that's I think that's important.

5161
04:41:17,200 --> 04:41:19,510
>> Yeah. No, as you noticed too, as some of

5162
04:41:19,510 --> 04:41:19,520
» Yeah. No, as you noticed too, as some of

5163
04:41:19,520 --> 04:41:22,240
the ones that were not completed carried

5164
04:41:22,240 --> 04:41:22,958
over.

5165
04:41:22,958 --> 04:41:24,708
>> Yep.

5166
04:41:24,708 --> 04:41:24,718
» Yep.

5167
04:41:24,718 --> 04:41:25,280
Um

5168
04:41:25,280 --> 04:41:27,110
>> I'm sorry.

5169
04:41:27,110 --> 04:41:27,120
» I'm sorry.

5170
04:41:27,120 --> 04:41:29,350
>> Was there council member Singh? Did you

5171
04:41:29,350 --> 04:41:29,360
» Was there council member Singh? Did you

5172
04:41:29,360 --> 04:41:31,334
have something you wanted to contribute?

5173
04:41:31,334 --> 04:41:32,230
>> [laughter]

5174
04:41:32,230 --> 04:41:32,240
» [laughter]

5175
04:41:32,240 --> 04:41:34,230
>> I'm just reacting to your statement like

5176
04:41:34,230 --> 04:41:34,240
» I'm just reacting to your statement like

5177
04:41:34,240 --> 04:41:35,920
it's just strange to me to have a goal

5178
04:41:35,920 --> 04:41:38,000
document and then say we're not we may

5179
04:41:38,000 --> 04:41:41,520
not achieve them. Like that is

5180
04:41:41,520 --> 04:41:44,320
bizarre to me from a planning

5181
04:41:44,320 --> 04:41:46,160
standpoint, from a strategic plan, from

5182
04:41:46,160 --> 04:41:48,480
an operational standpoint.

5183
04:41:48,480 --> 04:41:50,958
Um they are there with the intent of

5184
04:41:50,958 --> 04:41:54,000
trying to achieve. But as we all know,

5185
04:41:54,000 --> 04:41:55,760
you know, this document will change.

5186
04:41:55,760 --> 04:41:57,520
It's supposed to be a living document

5187
04:41:57,520 --> 04:42:00,160
based on what we face over the next two

5188
04:42:00,160 --> 04:42:01,920
years. some of what we may get

5189
04:42:01,920 --> 04:42:05,040
challenged by bump some of these off the

5190
04:42:05,040 --> 04:42:08,240
front page and become secondary.

5191
04:42:08,240 --> 04:42:10,310
>> We've definitely experienced that.

5192
04:42:10,310 --> 04:42:10,320
» We've definitely experienced that.

5193
04:42:10,320 --> 04:42:12,390
>> And there's also that opens the door to

5194
04:42:12,390 --> 04:42:12,400
» And there's also that opens the door to

5195
04:42:12,400 --> 04:42:14,638
opportunities too, right? So if

5196
04:42:14,638 --> 04:42:16,628
>> things change in a way that make it

5197
04:42:16,628 --> 04:42:16,638
» things change in a way that make it

5198
04:42:16,638 --> 04:42:18,320
possible to make pro progress on a goal

5199
04:42:18,320 --> 04:42:19,520
that we couldn't make before, then

5200
04:42:19,520 --> 04:42:21,040
that's an opportunity.

5201
04:42:21,040 --> 04:42:21,590
>> Exactly.

5202
04:42:21,590 --> 04:42:21,600
» Exactly.

5203
04:42:21,600 --> 04:42:24,150
>> Um I did have one comment having said

5204
04:42:24,150 --> 04:42:24,160
» Um I did have one comment having said

5205
04:42:24,160 --> 04:42:25,280
that I think there might be too many

5206
04:42:25,280 --> 04:42:26,798
goals. cuz I want to float the idea of

5207
04:42:26,798 --> 04:42:29,600
adding a new one um to the sense of

5208
04:42:29,600 --> 04:42:30,480
place. Um

5209
04:42:30,480 --> 04:42:31,670
>> the comment on that too.

5210
04:42:31,670 --> 04:42:31,680
» the comment on that too.

5211
04:42:31,680 --> 04:42:33,430
>> Yes, you absolutely do. [laughter]

5212
04:42:33,430 --> 04:42:33,440
» Yes, you absolutely do. [laughter]

5213
04:42:33,440 --> 04:42:35,600
Uh which is something that it's grown

5214
04:42:35,600 --> 04:42:37,360
out out of the conversations we've had

5215
04:42:37,360 --> 04:42:39,440
the past couple of years which is um

5216
04:42:39,440 --> 04:42:41,360
under sense of place to add a new goal

5217
04:42:41,360 --> 04:42:43,200
to maintain stability of residential

5218
04:42:43,200 --> 04:42:45,280
neighborhoods.

5219
04:42:45,280 --> 04:42:48,160
Um and I can think of a couple agenda or

5220
04:42:48,160 --> 04:42:49,440
a couple action items that might be

5221
04:42:49,440 --> 04:42:51,840
candidates for that. one is to um

5222
04:42:51,840 --> 04:42:54,240
continue to help um homeowners and

5223
04:42:54,240 --> 04:42:56,000
realtors understand our rental

5224
04:42:56,000 --> 04:42:57,600
regulations

5225
04:42:57,600 --> 04:42:58,798
so that they know what they're getting

5226
04:42:58,798 --> 04:43:03,600
into. Um and also uh work with realtors

5227
04:43:03,600 --> 04:43:07,760
to um help prospective homeowners to try

5228
04:43:07,760 --> 04:43:09,440
to prevent violations of our rental

5229
04:43:09,440 --> 04:43:11,760
regulations before they occur. And I

5230
04:43:11,760 --> 04:43:14,240
suspect we're already doing those things

5231
04:43:14,240 --> 04:43:17,120
um to some extent. Um but if we are then

5232
04:43:17,120 --> 04:43:18,958
it might not hurt to add it. Um, sure.

5233
04:43:18,958 --> 04:43:20,878
But I think there is this issue of sort

5234
04:43:20,878 --> 04:43:21,760
of

5235
04:43:21,760 --> 04:43:24,150
>> helping people understand uh how we got

5236
04:43:24,150 --> 04:43:24,160
» helping people understand uh how we got

5237
04:43:24,160 --> 04:43:27,120
to where we are in terms of our the sort

5238
04:43:27,120 --> 04:43:28,560
of the landscape of our of our

5239
04:43:28,560 --> 04:43:31,520
neighborhoods and how the regulations

5240
04:43:31,520 --> 04:43:35,350
are relevant to that.

5241
04:43:35,360 --> 04:43:38,000
Any further comments on that or anything

5242
04:43:38,000 --> 04:43:40,718
else?

5243
04:43:40,718 --> 04:43:42,958
Okay. So, we will plan to then see this

5244
04:43:42,958 --> 04:43:45,840
on our next DO meeting agenda. Um, a

5245
04:43:45,840 --> 04:43:47,760
month from now

5246
04:43:47,760 --> 04:43:49,520
or three weeks from now,

5247
04:43:49,520 --> 04:43:50,150
>> three weeks.

5248
04:43:50,150 --> 04:43:50,160
» three weeks.

5249
04:43:50,160 --> 04:43:52,948
>> Three weeks. Um, and we'll we got the

5250
04:43:52,948 --> 04:43:52,958
» Three weeks. Um, and we'll we got the

5251
04:43:52,958 --> 04:43:54,400
ball rolling tonight. So, at that point,

5252
04:43:54,400 --> 04:43:58,958
we'll have a sort of fuller discussion.

5253
04:43:58,958 --> 04:44:01,440
Any further comments on anything else?

5254
04:44:01,440 --> 04:44:05,280
Okay, that brings us to uh item five,

5255
04:44:05,280 --> 04:44:08,798
which is adjournment. Is there a motion?

5256
04:44:08,798 --> 04:44:11,190
>> I move to adjurnn. Moved by Singh,

5257
04:44:11,190 --> 04:44:11,200
» I move to adjurnn. Moved by Singh,

5258
04:44:11,200 --> 04:44:13,120
second by Whan. All those in favor say

5259
04:44:13,120 --> 04:44:13,680
I.

5260
04:44:13,680 --> 04:44:16,708
>> I. Motion carries. We are

5261
04:44:16,708 --> 04:44:16,718
» I. Motion carries. We are

5262
04:44:16,718 --> 04:44:20,840
>> adjourned. Thank you all.