1 00:05:55,919 --> 00:06:01,350 The mayor just started. 2 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:02,400 All right, we're going to start this 3 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,840 council committee meeting. Um, 4 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:13,990 first up is Julie. 5 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,280 » Oh, I actually have copies of the 6 00:06:15,280 --> 00:06:20,469 presentation. 7 00:06:20,479 --> 00:06:21,360 Hey Julie, 8 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:22,880 >> just want to take one. 9 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,919 >> Julie, while you were starting that 10 00:06:25,919 --> 00:06:27,759 about the hydrants, I just got an email 11 00:06:27,759 --> 00:06:30,080 just now. The fire hydrant at Ferry and 12 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,720 Sick Graves has the front off of it. Is 13 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,240 that because of what we're doing? 14 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:34,720 >> No. 15 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:39,430 Okay. Okay. 16 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:40,960 » Did you know that? 17 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,440 >> No, but I knew now 18 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,800 doesn't matter. It's not turned on that 19 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,199 the the valve the the valve covers come 20 00:06:49,199 --> 00:06:51,600 off. You got to turn the bolt at the 21 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:52,560 top. 22 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,000 >> I didn't know it was coming off. 23 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:56,720 >> No. 24 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,680 >> Okay. 25 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,800 >> Yeah. So, hello. Um I'm Julie. This is 26 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,880 Tony. He's the chair of our uh design 27 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:06,080 committee for East and Main Street 28 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,080 Initiative. a little bit about our 29 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:09,759 design committee. It's completely 30 00:07:09,759 --> 00:07:12,560 volunteer-run committee and we just um 31 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,160 think of ways that we could spruce 32 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:15,680 things up specifically in the in the 33 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,160 main street uh district. Uh so over the 34 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:19,599 years the main street design committee 35 00:07:19,599 --> 00:07:21,520 has done stuff like the little free 36 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,160 libraries and the artistic bike racks um 37 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:25,680 the string lights and bank street all 38 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,039 that good stuff. So that's us. Um so a 39 00:07:29,039 --> 00:07:30,960 little bit about the paint a hydrant 40 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,039 program. So Tony actually brought this 41 00:07:33,039 --> 00:07:35,840 idea to our committee uh because he saw 42 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:36,080 it in 43 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,440 >> Emmas. 44 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,680 >> Um so a lot of towns all over the 45 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,880 country do it. Um but the idea is to 46 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,199 take submissions from local artists and 47 00:07:45,199 --> 00:07:47,680 then assign them to fire hydrants around 48 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,120 town to make them a little more 49 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,560 beautiful and not just yellow. Um last 50 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,039 year when we launched it, the response 51 00:07:55,039 --> 00:07:56,800 was really overwhelming. We had a lot of 52 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,840 artists apply um and we reviewed all of 53 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:01,360 them and then we sent them all to the 54 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,560 fire department to review um and they 55 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,520 approved all of them. There was so they 56 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,199 do take a close look at it because there 57 00:08:09,199 --> 00:08:11,199 was one hydrant design last year that 58 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:13,039 ended up like we had to fix it. So they 59 00:08:13,039 --> 00:08:15,440 did a bunch. It's the one on spring 60 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:16,960 garden and third they did a bunch of 61 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:18,960 flowers and it had a black background 62 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,160 and Chief uh Hennings was like it can't 63 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:23,520 have a black background. It's going to 64 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:24,960 like blend into the environment too 65 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,319 much. Okay. The reason why you're here 66 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:27,840 tonight, just so you know, those 67 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,240 hydrants are owned by the city. So, city 68 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,000 council has to give permission, not the 69 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:32,959 fire chief. 70 00:08:32,959 --> 00:08:34,719 >> Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. He was like, "This 71 00:08:34,719 --> 00:08:36,800 time we got to go to council." So, my 72 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:38,880 apologies. We uh got it approved by the 73 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:39,440 fire department. 74 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:40,959 >> Most people don't understand that. 75 00:08:40,959 --> 00:08:41,279 >> Yeah. 76 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:42,000 >> Don't worry about it. 77 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,839 >> Um so, yeah, but they did look at a 78 00:08:43,839 --> 00:08:45,839 close eye and considered the safety and 79 00:08:45,839 --> 00:08:47,200 the appearance of all of them. So, that 80 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:48,640 artist, we were like, "Hey, you have to 81 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,480 change your black background to white." 82 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,800 Um and it wasn't an issue. Uh, another 83 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,680 thing is all the artists do sign a lot 84 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:58,720 of agreements. Things like you have to 85 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,320 understand that if something happens to 86 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:01,760 the fire hydrant, it has to be replaced 87 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:03,440 or anything like that's just going to 88 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:04,880 happen. The artwork might not be 89 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,600 permanent. Um, if it's an instance like 90 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,120 on ferry and sick greaves right now, 91 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:10,720 like it might be damaged. Um, and they 92 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,320 all understood that and they understand 93 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,720 that it's a thing that needs to be used. 94 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,320 Uh, so that that's all laid out very 95 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,640 clearly in the in the application. Um, 96 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,240 so yeah. Uh, so year one we did 11 97 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,760 hydrants. Um, all on 98 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,920 Yeah. Oh, okay. So, we did um on East 99 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,600 and Fourth Friday, we had all of the 100 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,200 artists out at the same time painting 101 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:32,480 the hydrants, so people could walk 102 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,480 around and like meet and talk to all the 103 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:35,920 artists. Um, it was super cool. It was 104 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,080 the fourth Friday in September. The news 105 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:39,600 actually came and did like a whole piece 106 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,200 on it. So, it was really well received 107 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,160 by the public and um, everyone was like, 108 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:45,519 "Oh, I wish I knew about this. I would 109 00:09:45,519 --> 00:09:46,880 have submitted a design." And so that's 110 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,360 why we're hoping to do um a second round 111 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,880 for 2026 if approved. 112 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,240 Um yeah, so so like I said, we we did a 113 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,959 lot of um we we put a lot of thought 114 00:09:58,959 --> 00:10:00,480 into making sure that it was safe, 115 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:01,839 making sure that it was okay with the 116 00:10:01,839 --> 00:10:04,959 fire department. Um so one of the things 117 00:10:04,959 --> 00:10:06,640 that's also listed in the application is 118 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,080 like when you're thinking of your 119 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:09,920 design, like try to make sure it has 120 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,320 elements of yellow in it so it still has 121 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,760 that like fire hydrant feel. um and 122 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,600 making sure that people again understand 123 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:18,959 that emergency operations take 124 00:10:18,959 --> 00:10:22,399 precedence. And then um we also 125 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:25,760 took we we wanted to make sure that the 126 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,279 artists were safe because they're like 127 00:10:27,279 --> 00:10:29,279 sitting on the sidewalk uh very close to 128 00:10:29,279 --> 00:10:30,880 the street painting the hydrants. So we 129 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,440 coordinated with uh John Spedoni and he 130 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,839 lended us some traffic cones. So we gave 131 00:10:35,839 --> 00:10:37,600 each hydrant artist a traffic cone to 132 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:38,480 put out while they were out there 133 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:39,839 painting. So, basically how it worked is 134 00:10:39,839 --> 00:10:42,079 once we approved their designs, uh, they 135 00:10:42,079 --> 00:10:44,160 picked up a little art kit at the public 136 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,079 market, which was mason jars with all of 137 00:10:46,079 --> 00:10:49,040 the paint colors that they applied for 138 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:50,959 and a traffic cone and a bunch of paint 139 00:10:50,959 --> 00:10:52,720 brushes and wipes and all that good 140 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:54,959 stuff. Um, another thing about the paint 141 00:10:54,959 --> 00:10:56,399 is we actually reached out to the people 142 00:10:56,399 --> 00:10:58,000 who did this inas. We were like, what's 143 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,760 the best paint for like a fire hydrant? 144 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:01,279 Um, and they gave us this really I 145 00:11:01,279 --> 00:11:02,560 forget what it's called now, but this 146 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:03,920 really awesome paint that I mean the 147 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:05,519 fire hydrants, it's been a year now and 148 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:07,279 they have held up like beautifully. 149 00:11:07,279 --> 00:11:08,800 there's been no chipping and it's gone 150 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,240 through all the snow and rain and all 151 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:11,839 that good stuff. So, I'm I'm very happy 152 00:11:11,839 --> 00:11:13,519 about uh the paint that we've used for 153 00:11:13,519 --> 00:11:14,880 the hydrants. So, nobody's bringing 154 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,160 their own paint, a solid paint that we 155 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,680 got. Um yeah. 156 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:22,000 Uh so, I just provided uh along with the 157 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,480 slides a sample of the application so 158 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,000 you can see like what they're looking at 159 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,360 when they apply. This was the 160 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,279 application for last year. So, it would 161 00:11:29,279 --> 00:11:30,720 be exactly the same this year. The only 162 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,640 thing we would change is the dates. Um 163 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,079 like you have to be there for the fourth 164 00:11:34,079 --> 00:11:36,240 Friday painting event. Um mostly for a 165 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:37,680 photo op. they can still paint like 166 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:40,079 before or after. Um that's just so we 167 00:11:40,079 --> 00:11:41,279 have one day where everyone's out there 168 00:11:41,279 --> 00:11:44,240 at the same time. Um and then some of 169 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,079 the design requirements and emergency 170 00:11:46,079 --> 00:11:47,760 operations, things like that. And then 171 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,160 yeah, so basically they they fill out 172 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:51,600 the application and then they actually 173 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,920 just color it in like a coloring book 174 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:55,600 and we take a look at the design and 175 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,160 send it over to the fire department. 176 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,480 Um, so planning for 2026. I'm going to 177 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,200 leave that to Tony so he can tell you um 178 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:04,959 why we selected the locations that we 179 00:12:04,959 --> 00:12:08,399 did that we're hoping to get approved. 180 00:12:08,399 --> 00:12:10,240 >> All right. Thank you, Julie. Um, so 181 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,000 yeah, we're trying to plan for six more 182 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,560 hydrants uh downtown here this year. 183 00:12:14,560 --> 00:12:15,839 Again, this is just going to be within 184 00:12:15,839 --> 00:12:17,600 the East and Main Street initiative uh 185 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,440 downtown district. So that's why it's 186 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,200 very limited to, you know, up there by 187 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,279 Bushkill um going to the river and then 188 00:12:23,279 --> 00:12:24,800 going up to Sixth Street on the west 189 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,600 side. So, we selected six locations more 190 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,440 so to the north to go kind of like 191 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,040 bridge the gap between downtown and 192 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,000 Lafayette. We picked one by uh Scott 193 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,360 Park there because it's, you know, it's 194 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:36,800 very much frequented for the farmers 195 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,040 market on Saturdays and also one at the 196 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,720 400 block of Northampton just to kind of 197 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,800 pay homage to, you know, the hotel fire 198 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:44,639 that happened this year. And then the 199 00:12:44,639 --> 00:12:46,480 confluence as well um down there by 200 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,399 McDonald's. 201 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:50,399 This is just more of a description of of 202 00:12:50,399 --> 00:12:53,279 where these locations are. Um, again, 203 00:12:53,279 --> 00:12:54,560 the intention that the design committee 204 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:56,240 had with selecting these were to bridge 205 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:57,600 the gap through art between Lafayette 206 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:58,880 College and downtown, give attention to 207 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:00,480 the 400 block of Northampton after the 208 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,200 fire and highlight the the riverfront. 209 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:04,639 So, we're really just asking, you know, 210 00:13:04,639 --> 00:13:06,720 city council support for these six 211 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,000 locations or if there's any comments 212 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,839 that council has or if they'd want to 213 00:13:09,839 --> 00:13:16,470 see another one somewhere different. 214 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:17,839 » South. 215 00:13:17,839 --> 00:13:19,279 >> So, I was going to mention that it's 216 00:13:19,279 --> 00:13:20,560 Main Street, 217 00:13:20,560 --> 00:13:23,920 >> so they can only do down here, but I so 218 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:25,600 I chair the Southside Spark, which got 219 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,519 the MPP grant. So, I'm going to send an 220 00:13:27,519 --> 00:13:31,680 email to people on the board and you two 221 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:34,000 tomorrow because there's money there so 222 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,440 you guys can meet with them so we can 223 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,519 bring that into the Southside and then 224 00:13:37,519 --> 00:13:39,200 we'll look at doing that into the West 225 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,320 W. Um because I think it looks good 226 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,360 downtown and I think the Southside, the 227 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,120 West W, College Hill neighborhoods can 228 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:48,720 use some of that as well. I think 229 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,560 there's a way we can we can do that. It 230 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:52,880 doesn't I think it's a significant cost. 231 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,800 Um, and we can get the artist. So, I'm 232 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,399 going to email you two and copy them 233 00:13:56,399 --> 00:13:58,160 tonight or tomorrow so we can get a 234 00:13:58,160 --> 00:13:59,519 meeting and see how we can get this into 235 00:13:59,519 --> 00:14:01,040 the three different neighborhoods. 236 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:02,800 >> Yeah, that'd be fantastic. 237 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:03,199 >> Thank you. 238 00:14:03,199 --> 00:14:05,199 >> Yeah, the program costs basically 239 00:14:05,199 --> 00:14:07,040 nothing. I think we spent like $500 on 240 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:08,480 paint last year and that was our only 241 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,240 cost and we still have a bunch of paint 242 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:11,680 left over. So, 243 00:14:11,680 --> 00:14:12,800 >> beautiful. We're going to need that. 244 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,639 >> And all the all the artists, I mean, 245 00:14:14,639 --> 00:14:17,120 they were volunteer artists. So, 246 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:18,800 >> I think it's a great program. They came 247 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,639 out really well and I just being 248 00:14:20,639 --> 00:14:22,720 downtown every day I see people stopping 249 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,040 taking photos or kids like tracing the 250 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,279 designs and it's just a neat little 251 00:14:27,279 --> 00:14:28,880 feature. It's something you would 252 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,480 normally overlook and it's just a neat 253 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,079 pop of color as you walk through 254 00:14:34,079 --> 00:14:35,120 downtown. 255 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:36,480 >> Well done. 256 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,399 >> Absolutely. Very good. Thank you guys. 257 00:14:38,399 --> 00:14:44,790 >> Thank you. 258 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,360 » Christian and Officer Crossen. 259 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,519 There they are. I couldn't see you. I 260 00:14:49,519 --> 00:14:50,639 didn't know where you went to. I knew 261 00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:51,680 you were here, but I didn't know where 262 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,839 you went. 263 00:14:53,839 --> 00:14:55,120 >> They're going to give us an update on 264 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,600 the uh and success stories of the recent 265 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:06,790 outcomes of the homeless population. 266 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:07,680 » Hi, Jeff. 267 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,000 >> We brought some friends with us, Safe 268 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,600 Harbor Stream team. 269 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:18,160 >> Um we just wanted to give you a quick 270 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,160 Kristen, I'm sorry. Can you speak in 271 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,399 directly into the microphone? 272 00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:22,959 >> Sorry. 273 00:15:22,959 --> 00:15:24,880 >> Thank you. Much better. 274 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,320 >> Um, we just wanted to give a quick 275 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,959 update. Um, we've been out there. Um, 276 00:15:28,959 --> 00:15:30,959 fortunately, we've had uh some help for 277 00:15:30,959 --> 00:15:32,639 officer crossing out there. We've had 278 00:15:32,639 --> 00:15:35,360 another officer out on a bike. I think 279 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,079 two days out of 280 00:15:38,079 --> 00:15:39,839 two or three out of five. He can give 281 00:15:39,839 --> 00:15:42,240 more information on that, but we've had 282 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,320 um an increase in contacts with people. 283 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,560 We've been able to get so far this year 284 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,759 42 people into some level of treatment. 285 00:15:49,759 --> 00:15:52,240 >> Now that this year, 286 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,160 >> yes, this year, but in full 287 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,480 transparency, that number does represent 288 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,240 some individuals that were helped to get 289 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:02,160 into treatment multiple times. Um, so 290 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,560 that number is out there. 291 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,279 We've also had um people that have been 292 00:16:07,279 --> 00:16:09,600 arrested for violating the law in the 293 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,519 city or violating ordinances. We've had 294 00:16:11,519 --> 00:16:14,079 an increase in that also. um addressing 295 00:16:14,079 --> 00:16:16,320 the issues uh the quality of life issues 296 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:17,920 that are happening that are being 297 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,320 brought uh to our attention. I think 298 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:25,360 there were after this afternoon 67 or 68 299 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,680 arrests of individuals um breaking the 300 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,199 law and officer crossing can talk more 301 00:16:29,199 --> 00:16:31,680 about that if you have questions. Um and 302 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,959 of those 42 were individual people. So 303 00:16:34,959 --> 00:16:36,800 we have quite a few people that we know 304 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,800 are problematic and they're refusing 305 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,360 treatment and we're just kind of in this 306 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,680 cycle right now. are still trying. Um, 307 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,839 but we wanted to really focus today. 308 00:16:45,839 --> 00:16:49,120 >> Kristen, I'm sorry. The 4267 whatever we 309 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,199 just mentioned, those are confirmed 310 00:16:51,199 --> 00:16:53,519 unhoused or are they just people that 311 00:16:53,519 --> 00:16:54,959 were familiar with downtown? 312 00:16:54,959 --> 00:16:56,399 >> So, those are people we're familiar with 313 00:16:56,399 --> 00:16:58,720 downtown that are transient. Most of 314 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,720 those folks are coming over from New 315 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:01,839 Jersey during the day. 316 00:17:01,839 --> 00:17:02,720 >> Right. Okay. 317 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:03,920 >> That's what we're seeing. 318 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:05,760 >> So, they're not east and unhoused. 319 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,679 They're just issues that we're having 320 00:17:07,679 --> 00:17:09,199 problems with these people. Right. Okay. 321 00:17:09,199 --> 00:17:10,319 All right. Thank you. So, with 322 00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:12,959 everything that's been happening locally 323 00:17:12,959 --> 00:17:14,880 with different cities and encampments 324 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:16,400 and things like that, we've had an 325 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,839 increase in people from out of the area. 326 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:22,400 Um, we've had police departments in New 327 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,039 Jersey bringing people here in patrol 328 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:25,760 cars. 329 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,199 >> I see now. 330 00:17:27,199 --> 00:17:29,520 >> So, we've we've really been trying to 331 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,440 stay on top of it. Um, we also received 332 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,039 Safe Harbor received a call from an 333 00:17:35,039 --> 00:17:37,360 individual who was unhoused in New 334 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:39,520 Jersey and went for supportive services 335 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,080 and the shelter there told them that 336 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:43,760 they can help him by giving him a bus 337 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,679 ticket to Easton. That was their 338 00:17:45,679 --> 00:17:48,799 solution for this man. Um, and he had 339 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:50,400 the wits about him to call Safe Harbor 340 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,080 and be like, "Hey, just so you know, 341 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,080 every person that is unhoused that comes 342 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,640 through this shelter is essentially 343 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,400 being told their option is a bus pass to 344 00:17:58,400 --> 00:17:59,919 East." 345 00:17:59,919 --> 00:18:01,200 Um, so, 346 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,600 >> so Chris, we've been hearing this for a 347 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,400 couple years. 348 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,160 >> Is there a way to combat it? Is there a 349 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,799 solution? It's not fair to the people 350 00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:12,799 here that need help because we're using 351 00:18:12,799 --> 00:18:14,799 our resources and everything to help 352 00:18:14,799 --> 00:18:16,799 people that are coming just to take 353 00:18:16,799 --> 00:18:18,559 advantage of services. Is there any way 354 00:18:18,559 --> 00:18:21,440 between Safe Harbor, police, us? So I 355 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,919 what I can say is and they can everybody 356 00:18:23,919 --> 00:18:25,440 can chime in on this too because we all 357 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,120 kind of have our own ideas and thoughts 358 00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:29,679 but um we're working part of the reason 359 00:18:29,679 --> 00:18:32,160 for bringing safe harbor today was just 360 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,360 um so that everyone can um ask any of us 361 00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:36,799 questions because we are working so 362 00:18:36,799 --> 00:18:38,960 closely together on these individuals. 363 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:40,799 Um a lot of individuals that are not 364 00:18:40,799 --> 00:18:42,559 from here and want to get back to where 365 00:18:42,559 --> 00:18:44,880 they came from. We coordinate with Safe 366 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,280 Harbor and Safe Harbor has a some 367 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,440 funding and we can get people back to 368 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,919 where home is for them. We've had quite 369 00:18:51,919 --> 00:18:53,520 a few people like released from prison 370 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,520 that aren't necessarily from Eastn, but 371 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,240 the prison's here, so they're here. Um, 372 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,640 and Safe Harbor has been incredible 373 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,799 helping us find placement for people. 374 00:19:02,799 --> 00:19:05,919 Um, and if we call them and say, "Hey, 375 00:19:05,919 --> 00:19:07,679 we have an individual that needs support 376 00:19:07,679 --> 00:19:09,520 that is from East and needs the 377 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,840 resources," they are they're going to 378 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,840 make it happen. They're I mean 379 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,080 incredible with that. So I don't know if 380 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:16,799 anybody else 381 00:19:16,799 --> 00:19:18,799 >> Chris just a quick question. One of my 382 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:21,440 staff brought it to my attention that uh 383 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,320 Philsburg and even down to Warren County 384 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,559 don't have a place that can save her. 385 00:19:26,559 --> 00:19:27,280 >> They do not 386 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:28,960 >> and that then what you just said was 387 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,280 absolutely what you told me that they 388 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,880 just sent them over there. 389 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:35,600 >> Newton, New Jersey. 390 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:36,559 >> Yeah. We had 391 00:19:36,559 --> 00:19:37,840 >> Newton New Jersey. [clears throat] 392 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,323 the people that called them said 393 00:19:40,323 --> 00:19:42,080 [snorts] Newton stopped somebody Newton 394 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,640 New Jersey which is an hour away 395 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,679 >> hour and a half uh stopped this guy told 396 00:19:47,679 --> 00:19:49,440 him 397 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,360 if you want services you can go to 398 00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:53,440 Easton and then two other places in New 399 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:54,240 Jersey 400 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,160 >> but we were one of the options he gave 401 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,200 us the bus pass two here basically 402 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,679 because they're the draw so 403 00:20:01,679 --> 00:20:03,360 >> we did call him back and speak with them 404 00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:05,280 he had no reason to call us they had no 405 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:06,559 reason to call them either we don't know 406 00:20:06,559 --> 00:20:08,400 them we never dealt with him because I 407 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:09,840 just want you guys to know that this is 408 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,559 happening and it's happening a lot. So, 409 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:14,240 the only thing we can really do to 410 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,720 combat it is just stay on top of it 411 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,400 really just by being out there all the 412 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,160 time and knowing everybody. That's why I 413 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,000 have the relationship with Jeff and 414 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,919 Sarah is that we talk to each other all 415 00:20:23,919 --> 00:20:25,679 the time when they see new people coming 416 00:20:25,679 --> 00:20:27,840 in out of nowhere. We communicate it. 417 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,240 So, it's a lot easier to know the faces 418 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,320 and then you guys agree that there's an 419 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,470 uptake out. 420 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:37,679 » Go ahead, sir. 421 00:20:37,679 --> 00:20:39,679 >> I just also want to be clear. So, as far 422 00:20:39,679 --> 00:20:43,760 as we go, um, at Safe Harbor, when we 423 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,720 uh, intake someone to our shelter, um, 424 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,799 female referrals go through myself, male 425 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:50,720 referrals go through Jeff. We've both 426 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,240 got over a decade of experience in Safe 427 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,080 Harbor, um, and the work that we're 428 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,320 doing. So, we do a specific interview to 429 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,159 get certain background information about 430 00:21:00,159 --> 00:21:02,880 the individual that is referred to us 431 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:07,120 and part of that interview is kind of 432 00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:08,720 determining where that individual is 433 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,039 coming from and where their roots are. 434 00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:13,760 We do prioritize Eastern or Northampton 435 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,520 County residents at Safe Harbor. So, um, 436 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,240 if someone is referred to us either from 437 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,960 Kristen and Officer Crossen, um, or if 438 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,840 they're just a walk-in, we are usually 439 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,559 asking, "Hey, where were you last?" And 440 00:21:28,559 --> 00:21:30,240 one of the questions that we always ask 441 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,440 is, "Do you have family support system, 442 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,840 housing of any kind in any place other 443 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,720 than here?" Um and that is because not 444 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,200 only are we trying to reduce the burden 445 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,280 locally, right, for individuals who 446 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,760 might be unhoused, but also because if 447 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,679 that individual has already established 448 00:21:47,679 --> 00:21:50,720 a support network or services elsewhere, 449 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,960 it is much more simple and 450 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,880 cost-effective to relocate that 451 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,039 individual to where they have supports 452 00:21:57,039 --> 00:21:58,640 rather than to try to reopen and 453 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,400 reestablish them in a whole new area 454 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,600 being east and north county. Right? So 455 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,200 that is something that on our end on the 456 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,840 shelter side is being done. Um the other 457 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:09,360 thing that we've done is we identified a 458 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:11,760 need several years ago um which has been 459 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,159 aided by both Chris and Officer Crossen 460 00:22:14,159 --> 00:22:15,760 and then um the new officer who's 461 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,960 working as well. He 462 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,960 uh well officer Crossson at one point 463 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,640 had kind of talked to us about the fact 464 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,960 that we do end up with folks who tend to 465 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,440 kind of end up stranded in East End. And 466 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:28,640 so one of the things that we've done at 467 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,960 Safe Harbor is secured grant funding for 468 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,840 emergency um transportation assistance. 469 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,720 So if anyone from EPD comes across an 470 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,559 individual who does have those supports 471 00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:40,799 in another area, Safe Harbor is able to 472 00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:42,480 step in and provide that assistance to 473 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,240 get the individual back where they 474 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,679 already have established supports or 475 00:22:45,679 --> 00:22:46,880 family who are willing to provide 476 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,000 housing. 477 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,360 >> I hope that helps. 478 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:53,200 >> So it does. Well, not really to my 479 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:53,679 question. 480 00:22:53,679 --> 00:22:55,919 >> Sure. But I think everybody here knows 481 00:22:55,919 --> 00:22:57,600 and and whoever knows the four of you 482 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,960 know you guys are doing an amazing job. 483 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,120 My question more along the lines of how 484 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:05,679 can we be more preventative? I don't 485 00:23:05,679 --> 00:23:08,159 know from our solicitor if if we find 486 00:23:08,159 --> 00:23:09,760 because we've had the mayor, we've had 487 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,440 police officers witness uh uh Betham 488 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,039 people get dropped off here from Betham, 489 00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:20,480 New York, New Jersey, whatever. A way to find them if we have proof. Reason 490 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:21,760 being, you guys are doing great, but 491 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,120 there's only four of you. the more 492 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:24,240 people that keep coming, you're not 493 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,440 going to be able to keep up with it, 494 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,760 right? And and we can't raise taxes on 495 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,679 residents and and on struggling families 496 00:23:29,679 --> 00:23:32,720 here to help support people that aren't 497 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,320 from here. So, there's there's got to be 498 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,640 some type of way we can be proactive. I 499 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:37,760 mean, you guys are doing a great job 500 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,360 with what you're doing, but how much 501 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:42,240 more can you really take on in the city, 502 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,480 right? I mean, you know, we talked 503 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:45,919 yesterday. I met mayor with the 504 00:23:45,919 --> 00:23:47,520 residents from the senior house across 505 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,039 from uh 506 00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:50,799 >> so our police are doing a great job 507 00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:52,320 monitoring the circle in downtown but 508 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,760 now they're going over there. 509 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,760 >> We had a woman that was defecating on 510 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,760 the tree uh uh in the back in the 511 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,200 courtyard. They're smoking drugs. 512 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,880 They're doing this or doing that. 513 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,640 >> She was housed. She was the housed 514 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,640 individual and we got her treatment 515 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,480 yesterday. She is in treatment at 516 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,080 >> She 517 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:08,960 around 1:00. 518 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,520 >> Right. So, but but the point is there's 519 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:12,799 so many more people coming. 520 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:15,200 >> Yeah. We can't, you know what I mean? We 521 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,400 can't keep up with it and we can't tax 522 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,480 residents and put the burden on eastern 523 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,720 people to help people from other other 524 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,159 places because their municipalities 525 00:24:24,159 --> 00:24:25,200 don't want to deal with it. So, there's 526 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,400 got to be a way that we could be 527 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,640 preventative or penalize these 528 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,559 municipalities when we catch them 529 00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:31,919 dropping their people off. 530 00:24:31,919 --> 00:24:34,320 >> So, we have found Officer Cross and 531 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,159 myself, um, like three years ago, 532 00:24:36,159 --> 00:24:37,600 everyone knows when we kind of started 533 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,360 this, we were really trying to piece it 534 00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:40,559 together and figure out what's going to 535 00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:42,400 work and what's not going to work. And 536 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,640 what we found is that the sooner we 537 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,640 identify someone as kind of being 538 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,120 transient through the city, not really 539 00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:51,120 kind of just an out ofplace situation or 540 00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:53,760 being unhoused or when Safe Harbor 541 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,000 identifies someone, we're making contact 542 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,080 as quickly as possible and as frequently 543 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,960 as possible. The reason being, for 544 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,480 instance, we had a woman um kind of way 545 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,240 out there and her son was caring for 546 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,440 her. She had mobility issues. 547 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:10,799 Talk to her. She's on the street 548 00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:13,039 sleeping outside. what's going on? Oh, 549 00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:14,880 well, I was evicted in New Jersey. I 550 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,039 have services in New Jersey. I maxed out 551 00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:18,799 from this service in New Jersey. So, 552 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:20,880 they told me to go to Pennsylvania. And 553 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,960 I said, "The best thing you can do for 554 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,600 yourself is go back to New Jersey where 555 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,320 you have benefits established because to 556 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,880 restart that process here is a is a 557 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,640 whole big can of worms." And she 558 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,000 listened to that. So, that's kind of 559 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,000 been the way we've been. Now, sometimes 560 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,080 it works, sometimes it doesn't, but 561 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,919 that's kind of what we've been doing to 562 00:25:39,919 --> 00:25:41,919 try and keep up with it is getting 563 00:25:41,919 --> 00:25:43,760 people back to where they were last 564 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,400 established or where they have supports. 565 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,720 Um, there were 566 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,440 quite a few I mean, just in I would say 567 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,000 this year we probably had 10 people that 568 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,600 weren't from this area and just kind of 569 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,960 landed here. Um, that we with Safe 570 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,600 Harbor have been able to get back to 571 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,320 where they have supports and resources. 572 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,720 Um, but as far as 573 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,720 >> just forget it, I don't do it. Just what 574 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,400 we were talking about before, they had 575 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,000 received the money. We just had this 576 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,440 happen. I didn't get to tell you guys, 577 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,080 one 578 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,840 >> and there was another guy we got. We 579 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,440 found he was thrown out of the prison 580 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,200 yet was ever released from the prison. 581 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,000 Was stuck here. We worked with Safe 582 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,240 Harbor to get him a bus ticket out to 583 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,919 State College. Right. For whatever 584 00:26:31,919 --> 00:26:33,120 reason, he had to go back to State 585 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:35,279 College. They received the funding for 586 00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:37,360 it, bought the bus ticket. We went down, 587 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:38,400 picked him up, brought him to the 588 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,000 terminal, put him on the bus, out he 589 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,919 went. 590 00:26:41,919 --> 00:26:43,440 15 minutes before this meeting started, 591 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,039 I saw him at Second in Northampton. 592 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:46,000 >> Oh, 593 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:46,880 >> that's my point. 594 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,080 >> Yeah, that was my next question. Are you 595 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,159 seeing these people coming back? 596 00:26:50,159 --> 00:26:51,120 >> They do come back. 597 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:52,720 >> You you can just that it's just the 598 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,279 hustle of just continuously 599 00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:57,039 monitoring because literally I just 600 00:26:57,039 --> 00:26:58,480 drove by them. I'm like, what are you 601 00:26:58,480 --> 00:26:59,120 doing back? 602 00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:00,799 >> But my question is and I know our 603 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:03,360 solicitor has something to say. They 604 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:04,640 come out of North Hampton County Prison, 605 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,320 they have nowhere to go. I I get that. 606 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:07,919 Or people that are just traveling. I get 607 00:27:07,919 --> 00:27:10,400 that. My biggest concern is 608 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,240 >> other police departments and things 609 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,840 dropping them off here. That's what I'm 610 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:14,799 talking about combating. 611 00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:16,960 >> Been going on for so long. 612 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,960 >> That's the thing. Everybody knows in 613 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,640 Warren County that we have safe. 614 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:21,120 >> Exactly. 615 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:22,640 >> Right. They know it exists. So the 616 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,080 easiest thing they can say is, "Hey 617 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,200 boss, I'm going to take them over to 618 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,640 safe harbor." They don't care that they 619 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,000 don't have a bed. They don't 620 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,600 >> They just do it and they drop them off 621 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,240 in the cover of night and they take off. 622 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,559 So I it's been going on for as long I've 623 00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:36,240 been here 16 years going long as I've 624 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:36,640 been here. 625 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:37,840 >> So my question is do we have any 626 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,760 leverage when we catch those. 627 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,400 >> So legally I don't know how much 628 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,799 leverage the city has because people 629 00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:47,760 have a right to travel. Now legally is 630 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,919 different than politically and public 631 00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:52,480 relations and the one thing we need is 632 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,679 data and information and there are going 633 00:27:55,679 --> 00:27:57,440 to be groups and organizations in this 634 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,600 area say some people in those areas 635 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,600 might be glad they might say fine ship 636 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,120 them out of here make them not our 637 00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:04,320 problem but there are going to be other 638 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,640 people who do recognize that that's a 639 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,799 horrible thing to do some is take them 640 00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:11,039 away from where their roots are just 641 00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:13,279 because of their living circumstances 642 00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:15,919 and send them an hour two hour 2 hours 643 00:28:15,919 --> 00:28:18,080 by car, an hour by car, that's a 644 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,760 lifetime by foot. 645 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,760 >> So I think that's where gathering the 646 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,159 data to get that information and there 647 00:28:24,159 --> 00:28:26,080 are levers. There is pressure that can 648 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,000 be put, but it's more in the political 649 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,039 and public relations arena directly than 650 00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:32,799 illegal. Now there may be issues with 651 00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:34,080 regard to civil rights that are being 652 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,360 violated depending on what kind of 653 00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:37,520 pressure is being put on people, but 654 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,440 that would be an issue for them those 655 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,279 people who don't always have the 656 00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:43,679 resources to take up. There also may be 657 00:28:43,679 --> 00:28:45,039 something specifically that can be done 658 00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:46,640 to integrate between the city to 659 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:47,840 communicate between the city and the 660 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,600 county with regards specifically to 661 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,360 there's probably there is probably some 662 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,960 room to work with the county 663 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,559 specifically on the issues of when 664 00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:58,720 people are being discharged. Like when 665 00:28:58,720 --> 00:28:59,919 someone maxes out there's there's 666 00:28:59,919 --> 00:29:00,960 nothing you can do. If they're maxed 667 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,760 out, they're maxed out. But there has to 668 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,679 be a way to coordinate that with with 669 00:29:05,679 --> 00:29:07,200 the prison so you're not dumping 670 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,440 somebody who's not from Easton out on 671 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,120 the street at 2 in the morning from 672 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:12,640 Northampton County Prison. 673 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:13,840 >> That would be huge. That's 674 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,440 >> I mean I'm sure there's got to be some 675 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:16,640 kind of coordination that can be 676 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,520 accomplished uh with the county. 677 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,200 >> Um I can reach out to um I can reach out 678 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,679 at least to the county. I can talk to 679 00:29:25,679 --> 00:29:28,960 people at the county and see what the ability to coordinate with the 680 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,520 city on that specific issue is. But as 681 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,600 far as the the other issue, it's really 682 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,039 going to lie more in the political and 683 00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:36,960 public relations realm. But I think to 684 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,640 get there, we need the data. We need to 685 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,880 know where these what which 686 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,880 municipalities are doing this. Where is 687 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,120 it coming from? And get hard so we can 688 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,200 say no, this is these are the eight 689 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,440 people in the last six months that were 690 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,840 dropped off here from your municipality, 691 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,279 by your police department, or were 692 00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:55,440 directed here by this shelter that's 693 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,760 getting funding from you. Like I think 694 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,279 that's what we need is the information. 695 00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:01,279 And I and just to thank you very much, 696 00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:03,200 Mike. Just to be clear, you know, when 697 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,679 people just when life brings them here, 698 00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:07,760 >> we I think we do an amazing job 699 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,600 providing and trying to find resources 700 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,000 for them. My concern is to your point, 701 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,399 you know, there was one of our officers 702 00:30:14,399 --> 00:30:16,320 witnessed a locally municipal local 703 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,399 municipality in a police car drop their 704 00:30:18,399 --> 00:30:20,080 people off in the circle. And when our 705 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,760 police officer asked him what's going 706 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,520 on, he said, "I have no idea. They 707 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,760 picked me up here and said and threw me 708 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,120 in the car and they just dropped me off 709 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,360 here." that's that's a violation for 710 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,320 them and for us and and you know we need 711 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:33,279 to be able to do something 712 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:36,000 >> and that's also something where it's the 713 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,520 same thing where if it's within 714 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,760 Northampton County there's there may be 715 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,240 some benefit to tracking that 716 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,159 information and trying to interface with 717 00:30:44,159 --> 00:30:45,520 the county 718 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,440 >> to turn around and maybe put some 719 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:48,720 downward pressure on the other 720 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,799 municipalities to be like look this is 721 00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:52,159 not how the county is supposed to 722 00:30:52,159 --> 00:30:54,799 function we're not just pushing 723 00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:57,679 >> pushing east is a great place to 724 00:30:57,679 --> 00:30:59,200 But it doesn't mean that you should be 725 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,159 dumping people here. 726 00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:01,200 >> Absolutely. So, 727 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,760 >> so I'm going to send an email tonight to 728 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,640 our county executive and the mayor and 729 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,159 scowls or whatever and we'll all get 730 00:31:08,159 --> 00:31:09,600 together and I'll get some council 731 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,440 members and we'll talk about how we can 732 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,120 work better on that and I'll get you you 733 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,720 two involved as well. We just have to 734 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,960 sit down and find out how we can 735 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,960 >> do better. It might be beneficial to 736 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,120 loop in like not just the county but the 737 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,120 court system because the individual that 738 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,520 came back from State College. He came 739 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,279 back because he had a court hearing and 740 00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:29,520 he didn't want to get a warrant. And two 741 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,200 weeks ago we had another guy that got a 742 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,360 warrant in Pittsburgh, he came back here 743 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,760 stranded, nowhere to go, but he had to 744 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,360 stay in the area 745 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:38,880 >> because he had another hearing in a 746 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,600 month. So he's trying to get his life in 747 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,440 order, but like 748 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,919 >> his services are in Pittsburgh. So, 749 00:31:45,919 --> 00:31:47,919 >> who's the who's the president judge now? 750 00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:49,519 >> It's still Craig Dailyy. 751 00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:49,840 >> Okay. 752 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:50,240 >> Um, 753 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,840 >> I'm not sure if we can streamline that 754 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,200 in any way. 755 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,399 >> Office in the email. 756 00:31:56,399 --> 00:31:59,200 >> Just thinking the bus station right 757 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,039 below us. I think a lot of them are 758 00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:02,320 coming in on the buses. If they're 759 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,000 coming in from Morristown, New Jersey or 760 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,559 Essex County, they're not just being 761 00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:09,760 dropped off. They're coming buses. a way 762 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:17,430 to kind of capt. 763 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:18,720 » They're getting dropped off here too, 764 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,120 Jeff, because I saw the state New Jersey 765 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,279 state police officer drop them off right 766 00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:25,519 downstairs. 767 00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:27,120 >> Just come right to safe harbor and drop 768 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,640 them off. 769 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,960 >> That's crazy. I mean, not just for us, 770 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,840 but total disregard for them. And 771 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,679 >> and it's one thing if a person says, 772 00:32:35,679 --> 00:32:37,440 "I'm from East." Yeah. And now you're 773 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:38,880 doing them a favor by giving them a ride 774 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,480 home. But it's another thing to drop 775 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:41,760 somebody 776 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,080 >> hours away from where 777 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:51,190 >> New Jersey residines 778 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,120 » insurance. So, 779 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,480 >> well, and I think we should we need to 780 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,799 be clear. They're not dropping them off 781 00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:58,799 because they want to get them help. They 782 00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:00,240 just don't want to deal with it. And 783 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,080 they know we can help, but it's out of 784 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,440 their hair. So, and it's just terrible 785 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,799 for what they're doing to the people. 786 00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:07,840 >> And I think lately it's been um a lot 787 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,120 less from PA local communities. I don't 788 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,320 know what you guys are seeing, but as 789 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:13,760 far as what Officer Carson and I are 790 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,559 seeing, it's been a lot less um it's 791 00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:18,720 been slowing down, if you will, from 792 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,960 kind of the rest of Northampton County. 793 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,960 Um, Officer Crossson and I are working 794 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,000 with the Northampton County um, crisis 795 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,960 intervention team and we are attending 796 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,039 um, month it's monthly meetings with the 797 00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:32,960 county um, and other police departments 798 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,200 and we're all kind of at the table 799 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,360 talking about these things. So, since we 800 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,519 started doing that, we're getting phone 801 00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:41,039 calls from other departments saying, 802 00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:43,360 "Hey, we have this issue. Normally, we 803 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,039 would just drop them off at Safe Harbor, 804 00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:47,679 but how would you how can we help this 805 00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:50,640 person?" I've gotten in the last month 806 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,279 I've gotten two calls just from one 807 00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:55,919 department. So those conversations are 808 00:33:55,919 --> 00:33:57,840 happening. So I think we're doing 809 00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,519 everything we can to try and move that 810 00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:01,360 in the right direction. But the biggest 811 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:02,960 struggle for us because it if somebody 812 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,399 comes here from Bethlehem and wants 813 00:34:04,399 --> 00:34:06,399 help, I can get them help. That is not a 814 00:34:06,399 --> 00:34:08,879 big deal. It is what it is, right? But 815 00:34:08,879 --> 00:34:11,520 if somebody is here from Essex, New 816 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,159 Jersey, they can't get drug and alcohol 817 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:16,079 treatment in Pennsylvania. They can't 818 00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:17,679 get mental health treatment. Well, they 819 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:22,000 can if it's emergent only if it's a 820 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,399 life or death situation and that's where we're we're really 821 00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:28,240 struggling and we can't get them on the 822 00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:30,560 road to creating better life for 823 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,639 themselves. 824 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:34,879 >> But even even Bethtown, I appreciate you 825 00:34:34,879 --> 00:34:37,520 helping them, but when Beth Mantown 826 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,720 closed their camps, they know where 827 00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:40,960 they're going. Well, send us a check, 828 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,679 pay for an extra position, help us help 829 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:45,520 the people, right? you're taking the 830 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:46,879 burden off of your municipalities, 831 00:34:46,879 --> 00:34:48,399 putting it on us, and you're not you're 832 00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:49,599 not making a phone call. You're not 833 00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:51,599 offering any assistance. It's not fair 834 00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:55,200 to the people or for or for anybody. 835 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,800 >> So, I have a question. Um 836 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,880 irrespective of the bad actors who are 837 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,920 dropping people off in East. Um, it 838 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,480 appears also that just the homeless are 839 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,200 gravitating towards Eastston. And my 840 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,160 understanding uh from being on the board 841 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,560 of Safe Harbor is that Safe Harbor has 842 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,800 finite resources. They do a fantastic 843 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,320 job, but they have a finite number of 844 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,079 beds. Uh, their warming uh center in the 845 00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:25,359 winter is uh they can only allow a 846 00:35:25,359 --> 00:35:27,599 finite number of people to stay there. 847 00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:30,079 They do have free lunches. Um and so 848 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:34,079 that's um terrific for people who need 849 00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:39,119 that resource. So my question is I'm I 850 00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:41,680 understand there are ad hoc 851 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,480 activities going on in the community 852 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,839 unrelated to safe harbor that serve the 853 00:35:47,839 --> 00:35:51,760 homeless. Are they attracting people 854 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,960 from outside of east? Is does Eastston 855 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,880 have the reputation of somewhere where 856 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,560 you can get clothing, bedding, sleeping 857 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,440 bags, tents, and so on? 858 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:03,839 >> Yeah, 859 00:36:03,839 --> 00:36:06,079 >> without without a doubt. It's definitely 860 00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:07,920 we've seen an uptick since that 861 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,160 situation began. 862 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,640 >> See, that's that's something the city 863 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,280 needs to consider. like I don't want to 864 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,680 interfere in any way with any community 865 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,480 organization that's trying to help, but 866 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,640 if they're actually turning into a 867 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,720 magnet for people from out of town to 868 00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:26,320 come in, then that's that's an issue the 869 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,560 city should probably address. 870 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,800 >> Some specific groups try to push them 871 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,359 down towards safe so they can still do 872 00:36:33,359 --> 00:36:35,920 their same thing they're doing but in an 873 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,760 environment that's controlled and 874 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,280 they're used to handling the amount of 875 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,640 people and they have bathrooms and they 876 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,560 have things like that. So, 877 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,640 Councilwoman, 878 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,720 >> also, you know, they require people who 879 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:51,200 are are going to be staying there to 880 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,880 abide by their rules. So, there's no 881 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,560 drug and alcohol and so on. So, um you 882 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,960 know, again, 883 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,720 how come people are just coming to 884 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:03,280 Easton when, you know, it's not an easy 885 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,520 road to to to be in Easton if if there's 886 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,079 not enough beds at Safe Harbor. you have 887 00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:11,599 to you have to go through their 888 00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:13,839 coursework and so on. [clears throat] 889 00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:16,720 >> If we know who's doing the ad hoc 890 00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:18,960 >> operations, we can send codes down there 891 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,280 because I remember very vividly how Safe 892 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,960 Harbor started because I started Safe 893 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,079 Harbor. It was uh who was the priest up 894 00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:29,440 at Lafia College. Father, 895 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,040 >> oh my god, I can't remember his name. 896 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,400 >> No, none of us were here when you 897 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,920 started. I know you 898 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,920 >> I know that. But but you know, 899 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,920 we started it 900 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,240 at a time when we didn't know what 901 00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:44,240 homeless was or unhoused. We we didn't 902 00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:45,760 we had no idea what it was because we 903 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,119 never experienced it. But we started it 904 00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:50,960 the night that we gave the the 905 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,640 million-dollar loan to the state 906 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,320 theaters. Everybody said, "Why are you 907 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,599 giving it to all the rich people? The 908 00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:56,800 only rich people could go to state 909 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,320 theater." So, we did the safe harbor 910 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,839 same night and it got approved. But 911 00:38:01,839 --> 00:38:05,440 I think what was his name? Well, anyway, 912 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,560 f whatever his father's name was. Um, he 913 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,040 was having a press conference at the 914 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,200 circle blasting me because I was helping 915 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,920 I was here. They shut down the code team 916 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,880 shut down all the ad hoc operations. We 917 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,560 were putting the homeless in church 918 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,800 halls and the parents were getting mad 919 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,960 because their kids were eating dinner or 920 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,359 lunch in that same room that the people 921 00:38:29,359 --> 00:38:32,240 were sleeping in at night. So he was 922 00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:35,040 having Father Hagen. Is that right? 923 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,560 Father Hagen sounds. Yes. Close to that. 924 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,960 And um and he was having a press 925 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,599 conference against me and blasting me 926 00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:46,000 for shutting down all the the ad hoc 927 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,240 groups. So if we know who they are, we 928 00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:49,920 could send our code team down because 929 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,599 I'm sure they're not up to code. 930 00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:53,599 >> I I think they have already been 931 00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:56,640 involved with this the one group that we 932 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,119 know to be problematic. Just for clarity 933 00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:00,880 for for the public and watching for 934 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,040 councilwoman you're talking about just 935 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,400 some of the local people that are coming 936 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:05,760 together to do this not our churches and 937 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:06,480 things that 938 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:07,280 >> not the churches 939 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,280 >> right right okay just the individuals 940 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,960 >> right it like individuals who are on 941 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,960 Facebook and so on 942 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,960 >> they tend to be a problem for us 943 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,040 >> you know that's 944 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,200 we don't want 945 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,240 our city to be a magnet uh for the 946 00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:23,920 homeless we want to be able to serve our 947 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,320 homeless population our indigent 948 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,320 homeless population. 949 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,000 Um, so I don't know, you know, that's 950 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,000 it's a bit of a difficult question 951 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,160 because I could see the public being up 952 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,960 in arms if we are like disassembling 953 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,800 those activities. 954 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:39,680 Um, I 955 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,240 >> I think people need to to realize 956 00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:43,680 >> we have a lot of great people in the 957 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,680 community that want to donate tents and 958 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:50,960 everything else. The problem is when when we cleaned out the Elm Street 959 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,640 area, they they already left. We didn't 960 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:53,839 clean them out. We just cleaned 961 00:39:53,839 --> 00:39:55,520 leftovers. 962 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:56,880 You guys still have the pictures. I 963 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,119 think I might have them. 964 00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:02,160 >> Thousands of of things, brand new, price 965 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,880 tags on them, t never opened before. So, 966 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,400 these people need to understand they're 967 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,000 helping. We We appreciate them trying to 968 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,320 help, but they're buying all these 969 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,160 things and giving it to people that have 970 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,000 nowhere to put it and it's all just 971 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,280 being discarded. 972 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:16,800 >> I mean, the majority of the dumpsters 973 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,680 you guys filled were brand new clothing 974 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,079 and tents and shoes and crisp, so 975 00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:23,280 they're not even really getting 976 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,040 utilized, right? So all these people are 977 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,480 collecting and g and they're not being 978 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,160 utilized. They're being thrown away. 979 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,720 Not, you know, the people are doing what 980 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:32,079 their heart tells them to do, which we 981 00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:33,599 appreciate. And the people that are 982 00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:34,720 taking them want them, but they have 983 00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:36,400 nowhere to put them. You know, when they 984 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,960 go to the group, Safe Harbor, Shiloh, UC 985 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,040 Project, they're documenting these 986 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,200 people. They get licensed, you know, ID 987 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,800 where they're from. So, I mean, that's 988 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,520 where I try to direct people to help 989 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,599 them, volunteer with them, give them 990 00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:50,320 stuff, 991 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,320 >> you know, but so, you know, I think once 992 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:53,599 people realize that a lot of their 993 00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:56,000 donations are being discarded, it might 994 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,400 help them to start going to Safe Harbor 995 00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,680 and Project East and Third Street 996 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,680 Alliance more. I think we just have to 997 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:02,560 communicate that. 998 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,960 >> I mean, that's what we try to say 999 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,440 whenever someone reaches out to us with 1000 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:08,880 donations. 1001 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,359 I even had what two boxes of donations 1002 00:41:11,359 --> 00:41:13,440 in my office um that I just brought to 1003 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:14,960 Third Street Alliance like last week 1004 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,880 that 1005 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,480 I don't I think some of the officers 1006 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,480 brought stuff in, but I mean we're 1007 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,640 trying to make sure that people know 1008 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,040 that their donations are appreciated and 1009 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,720 there are certainly people that need 1010 00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:28,160 them, but we want to make sure they're 1011 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,000 funneled to the people that need them 1012 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,800 and can use them right in the moment. 1013 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,040 I think if I can just state something, I 1014 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,000 mean, I certainly don't want to um I 1015 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,680 think there's a lot of hearts in the 1016 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,000 right places, right? But what Jeff and I 1017 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,160 have found and and our our peers at at 1018 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,880 Third Street and Project and all of the 1019 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,000 wonderful organizations that are 1020 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,520 established here in Easton is that 1021 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,480 services need to be offered alongside 1022 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,440 support. There has to be some level of 1023 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,359 like that client having the personal 1024 00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:04,800 accountability to at least like 1025 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,640 want to 1026 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,680 further their circumstances and a lot of 1027 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,200 the times that requires some help. That 1028 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,040 requires us building rapport and you 1029 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:13,839 know 1030 00:42:13,839 --> 00:42:17,280 >> Yeah. Uh but but services need to be 1031 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,400 offered alongside support. Um not just 1032 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:21,920 kind of like a blank check that doesn't 1033 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,680 do anyone any good. And I think the 1034 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,359 thing that's really difficult when we 1035 00:42:25,359 --> 00:42:26,960 get into helping fields is there's a 1036 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,200 very thin line between uh helping and 1037 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,839 enabling. And that is the line that Jeff 1038 00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:35,440 and I I mean we struggle with that every 1039 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,160 day. Um and it's something that takes 1040 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,000 like a lot of time to develop. But 1041 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,800 that's I think where we can focus as as 1042 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,480 a community is just making sure that the 1043 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,480 services that we're offering are are 1044 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,000 really helping people move forward and 1045 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,760 not just kind of enabling folks to be 1046 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,359 comfortable in circumstances that really 1047 00:42:51,359 --> 00:42:55,359 aren't serving them either. 1048 00:42:55,359 --> 00:42:57,280 >> I mean I don't have any solutions to how 1049 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,319 to I mean other than shutting down ad 1050 00:43:00,319 --> 00:43:04,560 hoc organizations you know or people 1051 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,720 does anybody 1052 00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:09,040 I mean it's it's a tough one. How how 1053 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,280 much does it distract from like what you 1054 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,319 do or how many how many people let's say 1055 00:43:14,319 --> 00:43:17,280 do you think are coming to Eastston for 1056 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,720 because of the ad hoc um services? 1057 00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:24,079 >> I can't speak to that. I don't think 1058 00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:26,480 it's it's overly and I mean we we kind 1059 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,440 of focus on our own operations. 1060 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,920 >> What we're seeing is the 1061 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,440 we're getting a lot of people during the 1062 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,680 day in the city that 1063 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,800 >> are from New Jersey and somewhere in New 1064 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:52,150 Jersey wheal 1065 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,240 or the drug and alcohol or you know 1066 00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:56,079 whatever family problems or underlying 1067 00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:58,640 issues there are 1068 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,240 >> can't stop that. 1069 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:01,839 >> That that's that's very true. One of the 1070 00:44:01,839 --> 00:44:03,839 things I was just thinking about for 1071 00:44:03,839 --> 00:44:07,040 lack of a better word in their community 1072 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,040 they work on word by mouth and I can 1073 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,599 almost guarantee you that that word by 1074 00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:15,920 mouth is reaching Jersey 1075 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,960 >> and reaching back and that's a hard 1076 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,280 avenue to try to combat because we're 1077 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,319 not involved with that communication. 1078 00:44:24,319 --> 00:44:25,839 >> Yeah. It seems like the only way you 1079 00:44:25,839 --> 00:44:27,839 could really, you know, let's say 1080 00:44:27,839 --> 00:44:30,160 control or regulate or shut down, you 1081 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,920 know, um these organizations that 1082 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,119 potentially are enabling homelessness 1083 00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:41,839 um is if we had uh 1084 00:44:41,839 --> 00:44:45,359 like an unlimited amount of beds that we 1085 00:44:45,359 --> 00:44:47,760 could offer, right? But with in the 1086 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,160 absence of that, 1087 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,920 there's not really a lot that we could 1088 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,870 do. 1089 00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:02,230 I think that's enough to satisfy 1090 00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:06,160 one other point. the two of them. 1091 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:10,230 We did get two 1092 00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:13,680 longer tenur people that have been here 1093 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,160 for years 1094 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,760 and one's been here since I started at 1095 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:33,589 >> well over 10 years ago 1096 00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:37,270 team of 1097 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,359 and he's instrumental. Whenever we got a 1098 00:45:39,359 --> 00:45:55,990 problem down, he is down there. 1099 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,760 But I really wanted to make sure that we 1100 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,520 were able to highlight um as Jeff said, 1101 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,040 people that have been here for a long 1102 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,640 time and um maybe resisted support, 1103 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,839 maybe resisted um our help initially, we 1104 00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:12,800 took the time. Um the one individual 1105 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,400 that he mentioned that was here for six 1106 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,040 years, I can tell you that he probably 1107 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,560 had daily contact with 1108 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,160 both of them. And 1109 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:25,680 every shift that Jeff works, I'm sure 1110 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,040 he's had contact with that individual. 1111 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,560 And at every step, every contact, it was 1112 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,000 building that relationship, building 1113 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,480 that trust, helping that person. Um that 1114 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,040 individual was a veteran and he is now 1115 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,960 connected to services. I actually spoke 1116 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,760 with the facility today and he is 1117 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,960 acclimating well. He um has a long road 1118 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,480 ahead of him, but he is finally um 1119 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,560 sleeping under cover of a roof and and 1120 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,520 not a tent. Um and we actually were 1121 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,520 talking about the veteran population. I 1122 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,760 didn't share this with you guys yet, but 1123 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,040 um just looking back this year, we've 1124 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,720 been three for three with identified 1125 00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:05,200 veterans that will accept our help and 1126 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,359 getting them support. and we've been 1127 00:47:07,359 --> 00:47:10,800 able to do it really quickly. So, 1128 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:15,280 when people are ready to accept help, we can get it for them. Um, we have a a 1129 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,280 really strong network and the same with 1130 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:18,800 treatment providers. We have a strong 1131 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,000 network um within the drug and alcohol 1132 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,319 um treatment world and we're able to get 1133 00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:25,760 people the help when they're ready for 1134 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,920 it. Um it's just kind of being patient 1135 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,440 and being there for them until they're 1136 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,720 ready. Um, so when we're trying to help 1137 00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:35,040 people, you know, get ready for that, 1138 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,880 it's incredibly helpful to not have 1139 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,440 >> them being enabled 1140 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:42,960 to continue the path that they're on. 1141 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,400 >> Well, we think you're doing a great job, 1142 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,960 all four of you, and the new guy. 1143 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,839 >> Um, I'm a name Web. 1144 00:47:49,839 --> 00:47:53,920 >> Web, Officer Web, calling him a while a 1145 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:54,400 while, 1146 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:55,280 >> but but he 1147 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,880 >> he's not one of the new guys I swear in. 1148 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,240 He's been here for a while. 1149 00:47:58,240 --> 00:47:59,839 >> 15 years. 1150 00:47:59,839 --> 00:48:01,440 Yeah, 1151 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,880 >> we're trying we're trying to get him him out a bit 1152 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,920 more, but um we have a lot of people 1153 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,079 that we have been able to help. Um I 1154 00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:12,880 mentioned 42 earlier. There are people 1155 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,480 that are not included in those numbers. 1156 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,079 are just individuals that 1157 00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:17,760 officer Crossen and I have had contact 1158 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,960 with and have specifically referred to a 1159 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,839 program. They don't account for every 1160 00:48:23,839 --> 00:48:25,680 individual that Safe Harbor has helped, 1161 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,359 including the two that they sent back 1162 00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:28,880 this week. We didn't have any contact 1163 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,359 with them. Safe Harbor took care of them 1164 00:48:31,359 --> 00:48:33,760 before it became an issue where police 1165 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,520 were notified. 1166 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,920 So, I think it's definitely a team 1167 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,440 effort. I think we're doing everything 1168 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:45,599 we can um to move move the needle and help people. Um and I have to be 1169 00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:47,119 honest. I mean, it's we're we're having 1170 00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:51,200 a lot of success. Um so, 1171 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,200 >> well, we hear good things. I hear good 1172 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,160 things. And that's unusual 1173 00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:57,839 >> because when I was here in the 80s, I 1174 00:48:57,839 --> 00:48:59,040 didn't hear good things about our police 1175 00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:00,160 department, but I'm hearing good things 1176 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,079 about all of our police officers, not 1177 00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:04,480 just officer cross. 1178 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:05,760 >> Could you before you end, can you give 1179 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,000 us a quick update safe harbor on the 1180 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,839 transitional housing on Ferry Street, 1181 00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:13,040 the new church that we last year last 1182 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:13,359 year? 1183 00:49:13,359 --> 00:49:17,520 >> Sure. Um, so we had uh our first round 1184 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,000 move into that project in August of last 1185 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,920 year. So we're coming up on our our 1186 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,920 first year. Um we have two individuals 1187 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,680 who are going to be moving on two that 1188 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,880 are uh two units that are staying for an 1189 00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,319 additional year and we're bringing two 1190 00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:33,119 new individuals in. In that first round 1191 00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:36,160 we had five of our shelter residents 1192 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:37,920 because we had a couple of uh roommate 1193 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,640 pairs. Um as well as a single mother and 1194 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,119 child from our day program. Um and then 1195 00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:45,119 this round we have two individuals that 1196 00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:47,839 are moving in. One also uh will have 1197 00:49:47,839 --> 00:49:49,119 visitation with their child in the 1198 00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:50,480 apartment that they could not prior 1199 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,880 which is really really awesome. Um, so 1200 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,880 yeah, everything's going very well. Uh, 1201 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,400 we're very grateful for the support of 1202 00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,400 Mark um, Hammerstone. He's been 1203 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,720 fantastic. Um, so we have a good working 1204 00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:02,559 relationship with him and of course Mike 1205 00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:04,240 and Kelly who kind of had us up to that 1206 00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:06,319 point when Mark stepped in. Um, but 1207 00:50:06,319 --> 00:50:11,109 yeah, no, we're very grateful. 1208 00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:13,680 » It's just a resource we didn't have. 1209 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,079 >> Y, 1210 00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:20,549 >> great work. 1211 00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:21,920 » Thank you. 1212 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,440 Hey, Crossson, by the way, you're really 1213 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,760 moving on that bike. Um, have you 1214 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,839 thought about joining the race that we 1215 00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:28,960 have here? [laughter] 1216 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,640 >> I have thought about it. I know. 1217 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,880 >> Yeah, Julie, if you and Crystal can get 1218 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,559 him connected. 1219 00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:36,720 >> Is that the electric bike? [laughter] 1220 00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:38,640 >> Yeah, but he's 1221 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,720 >> That's the electric bike. 1222 00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:43,680 >> I don't bl [laughter] 1223 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,359 >> see you later. Okay, we have nine items 1224 00:50:47,359 --> 00:50:49,599 on the committee discussions and we're 1225 00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:51,280 going to try to get through them all 1226 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,040 rather quickly. Uh let's start with 1227 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,599 vendor fees since Dwayne and Darren are 1228 00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:57,280 here. 1229 00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:58,720 >> No, we're not here for that. 1230 00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:00,240 >> Oh, you're here for parking permits. 1231 00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:02,800 >> Let me let me jump Let me jump in. I I 1232 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,680 unless councilwoman Rose has an update. 1233 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,079 Um we're not I don't I don't think we're 1234 00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:09,680 prepared. We're still we're still 1235 00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:10,640 drafting 1236 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:11,280 >> vendor fees 1237 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,040 >> vendor fee policy. Yeah, 1238 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,040 >> that's correct. Um 1239 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,119 Councilwoman Zando Dennis and I just met 1240 00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:20,640 with um John and Mark and um our 1241 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,079 solicitor and I think we're we're going 1242 00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:26,319 in the right direction, but expect to 1243 00:51:26,319 --> 00:51:28,640 see a new draft soon. 1244 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,480 >> Okay. The only thing I would recommend 1245 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,400 is that we do it as quickly as possible 1246 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,160 because we do have some big events 1247 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:38,240 coming up between Clam Jam, Garlic Fest, 1248 00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:40,160 and Bacon Fest. There are three biggest. 1249 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,079 >> It may not It may not occur. It takes 1250 00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:44,400 two months to get an ordinance through. 1251 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,440 >> I realize that, but it's budgetary, so 1252 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,359 it doesn't take it becomes effective 1253 00:51:49,359 --> 00:51:51,599 immediately. 1254 00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:53,359 >> You're right. [laughter] 1255 00:51:53,359 --> 00:51:55,839 >> Okay. Board of Health denials. 1256 00:51:55,839 --> 00:51:57,760 >> Thank you, Mayor. 1257 00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,480 Uh Jared or or Vargo, I don't know who 1258 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,359 wants to. 1259 00:52:03,359 --> 00:52:04,240 >> All right. There we go. 1260 00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:05,599 >> So, um and this is 1261 00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:07,599 >> Jared's here for moral support. Man, 1262 00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:10,240 you're hurting. [laughter] 1263 00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:14,160 >> So, I think The issue is that the 1264 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:15,839 ordinance as currently written 1265 00:52:15,839 --> 00:52:17,760 specifically prevents the board from 1266 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,920 issuing any kind of written decision. So 1267 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,000 there's no real way to know and Jared 1268 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,520 can correct me if I'm wrong here why 1269 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,720 each specific member voted against a 1270 00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:28,960 particular permit. But I think the board 1271 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,400 could do a better job of publicizing the 1272 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,280 actual some of the criteria that the 1273 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,280 board members are looking at. And some 1274 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,280 of the things that have to be considered 1275 00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,880 are the availability, how often the 1276 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,400 person requesting the permit actually 1277 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,119 has to leave the house. Uh what is the 1278 00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:49,440 availability of parking generally on the 1279 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:50,640 street? In other words, is it a street 1280 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,319 there's generally open parking? Well, 1281 00:52:52,319 --> 00:52:54,160 then maybe a designated spot isn't 1282 00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,640 necessary. If the person is not 1283 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,000 themselves required to leave 1284 00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,520 particularly often because they have 1285 00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,119 other support in the home. In other 1286 00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:02,720 words, if someone else can and the 1287 00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:04,000 that's the other thing is what resources 1288 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,920 do they have in the home to help? If 1289 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,119 there's someone else who can drive and 1290 00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:08,640 can drop them off at the front door and 1291 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,839 then go park, it's less necessary. Uh 1292 00:53:11,839 --> 00:53:14,559 physical aspects like the number of 1293 00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:18,400 steps, both the distance from the curb 1294 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,240 to the street as well as the literal 1295 00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:21,839 number of steps. 1296 00:53:21,839 --> 00:53:23,760 >> Um there are some parts of Easton that 1297 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,200 are hillier than others. There are some 1298 00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,280 houses that sit up higher than others. 1299 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,599 Uh from my understanding, those are are 1300 00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:31,200 just some of the types of factors that 1301 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,000 go into each decision. But because each 1302 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,839 decision is so individualized and 1303 00:53:35,839 --> 00:53:37,280 because each commissioner could have a 1304 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,200 different reason for deciding, there's 1305 00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,640 no real one way to to say why an 1306 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,400 application may succeed or fail. But I 1307 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,400 think a better an understanding of those 1308 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,240 sorts of factors of what the factors 1309 00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:49,839 that the board's actually looking at 1310 00:53:49,839 --> 00:53:53,040 does could help people understand in 1311 00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,920 general why a permit might be dismissed 1312 00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,960 even if it's not their specific permit. 1313 00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:06,319 So Jared, for for you currently, do we list the reasons why an 1314 00:54:06,319 --> 00:54:07,920 application could be denied or approved? 1315 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,000 What he just mentioned, do we do we 1316 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,079 mention that prior to or at the 1317 00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:14,559 conclusion of a hearing? 1318 00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:17,359 >> So I the email I originally shot you 1319 00:54:17,359 --> 00:54:19,680 over with the description and the kind 1320 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,000 of uh legality of the beginning of the 1321 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,920 meeting does list pure discretionary 1322 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,559 um categories, we'll call them. um that 1323 00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:32,400 the lawyer just went over. Um 1324 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,040 for each individual, we don't go like 1325 00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,359 once the denial or approval happens, we 1326 00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:39,040 don't go through that with them during 1327 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:40,800 the board meeting. 1328 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,599 >> But we do let people know ahead of time. 1329 00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:43,839 >> Yeah. 1330 00:54:43,839 --> 00:54:45,760 >> And I know your email, but the public 1331 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,920 didn't see the email. So, but ahead of 1332 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,400 time, we let them know of reasons what 1333 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:51,200 you look at. 1334 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,040 >> Yeah. We we tell them what we look at. 1335 00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,359 We even let them know board members do 1336 00:54:55,359 --> 00:54:57,440 survey the neighborhood, right? Um, and 1337 00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,599 then my description, like a perfect 1338 00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:02,000 example of what he was saying was steps. 1339 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,680 Um, if they live in a second floor 1340 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,160 apartment, I list that in addition, 1341 00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,160 right, to the board members so they have 1342 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,079 that information like, hey, there's 15 1343 00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:12,559 steps from the first floor to the second 1344 00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:14,880 floor apartment where they reside. Um, 1345 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,400 so there are things that are taken into 1346 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,599 account. Um, we we list them at the 1347 00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:21,839 meeting. I state them at the meeting. 1348 00:55:21,839 --> 00:55:23,839 Um, but they're not like designated 1349 00:55:23,839 --> 00:55:27,430 anywhere like on the application. 1350 00:55:27,438 --> 00:55:27,440 [snorts] 1351 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,240 >> Is it possible to to 1352 00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:32,000 put a disclaimer or something on the 1353 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,000 application? These are some of the 1354 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,599 parameters. I think the biggest thing is 1355 00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:38,000 just lack of communication on any level 1356 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,160 and people just don't know and and and I 1357 00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,720 think if we could at least make people 1358 00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:45,599 aware that this is the criteria, 1359 00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:47,119 each person could have a different 1360 00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:49,440 reason for denying you and and you know, 1361 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,359 people just don't know, right? And and I 1362 00:55:51,359 --> 00:55:52,799 think if we could just at least give 1363 00:55:52,799 --> 00:55:55,280 that so people have some type of idea 1364 00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,119 what's going on or what the criteria was 1365 00:55:57,119 --> 00:55:58,960 that they were based it the decision was 1366 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,200 based on I think that would just help 1367 00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,760 out a lot in regards to communication. 1368 00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,520 Could we put that on just on the initial 1369 00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,799 applications letters on the bottom? 1370 00:56:08,799 --> 00:56:10,400 >> We can probably look at that application 1371 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,240 form and see. I mean it'd have to make 1372 00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:13,920 it clear that it's not an exhaustive 1373 00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:15,599 list. It's simply a representative 1374 00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:17,599 example of some reasons why a permit may 1375 00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:19,760 be granted or denied, but ultimately 1376 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,040 it's at the discretion of the board 1377 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:22,480 members. But there may be some language 1378 00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,559 we could add to the I'll I'll work 1379 00:56:24,559 --> 00:56:27,440 >> or or at least that it's not a uniform 1380 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:28,960 decision, right? So it could be 1381 00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:30,640 individual and we don't share the 1382 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,400 individual. So it could be more than one 1383 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:32,880 reason. 1384 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,000 >> Yeah. There's no way to know 1385 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,119 >> a different reason for every board 1386 00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:36,559 member. Just, you know, just give them 1387 00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:38,079 something. I mean they like we don't 1388 00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:40,240 tell them really anything. It's kind of 1389 00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:42,079 >> it's hard. I understand it's a difficult 1390 00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:45,119 situation, but it's given this. But I 1391 00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:48,480 can I'm gonna I'll talk to J and uh 1392 00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,599 assistant solicister 1393 00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:52,799 because I know he handles those 1394 00:56:52,799 --> 00:56:54,559 hearings. So maybe we can take a look at 1395 00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:55,599 that form and see if there's some 1396 00:56:55,599 --> 00:56:57,040 improvements can be made there. All 1397 00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,079 right. So I'll uh how about four weeks? 1398 00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:02,000 Not the next committee. We'll wait two 1399 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,440 more commit second committee from now 1400 00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,119 and we'll bring that back. Thank you. 1401 00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:08,000 >> Thank you, Mayor. 1402 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,839 >> Okay, we'll move on to Minister Pony. We 1403 00:57:09,839 --> 00:57:11,440 may as well continue with the microphone 1404 00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:12,480 work for his housing. 1405 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,079 >> Did you call me mister or minister? It 1406 00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:14,640 sound like 1407 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:15,760 >> mister. Minister. 1408 00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:16,160 >> Mister. 1409 00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:17,200 >> I prefer minister. 1410 00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,079 >> No, that's Roger Rogos. [laughter] 1411 00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:21,920 >> So, I spoke to some of the council 1412 00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,799 members. Um, it's not a whole hell of a 1413 00:57:24,799 --> 00:57:27,280 lot of discussion. We've always, since I 1414 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:28,880 brought this over a year ago, we've 1415 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,799 always said if if a developer gets any 1416 00:57:30,799 --> 00:57:32,559 subsidy, any subsidy. Well, it was 1417 00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:35,359 brought to my attention two weeks ago by 1418 00:57:35,359 --> 00:57:38,799 our current solicitor that it doesn't 1419 00:57:38,799 --> 00:57:42,640 read any. It reads city, state. So, all 1420 00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:44,000 they're doing, if you guys saw the 1421 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,799 update, they're adding any subsidy. So, 1422 00:57:46,799 --> 00:57:48,960 state, county, 1423 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,880 uh, uh, Unity Bank gives a grant. 1424 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,839 That'll be, you know, that'll that'll trigger it. So, we're just 1425 00:57:53,839 --> 00:57:55,760 spelling it out that any subsidy 1426 00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,920 developer gets would trigger this bill 1427 00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:59,599 and they would have to allocate units 1428 00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:01,520 and things. So, we're just adding 1429 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,040 additional language to it just to make 1430 00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:04,559 sure there's no loopholes or anything. 1431 00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:04,880 So, 1432 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:05,280 >> that makes sense. 1433 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:06,799 >> Well, I mean, actually, we're taking 1434 00:58:06,799 --> 00:58:08,160 away, but yes, 1435 00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:09,680 >> we're adding by taking away just to make 1436 00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,280 it clear that it's not limited that tax 1437 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:12,880 incentives are not limited to city or 1438 00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,799 state tax incentives. I think it came up 1439 00:58:14,799 --> 00:58:17,040 in the context apparently there is 1440 00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:18,799 >> there are historic tax credits, but 1441 00:58:18,799 --> 00:58:20,559 there are both separate federal and 1442 00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:23,200 state historic tax credits and federal 1443 00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:24,640 tax credits would not 1444 00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:25,599 >> county and county 1445 00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:27,119 >> Yeah. or county tax credits would not 1446 00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:28,720 have fallen. So, by removing the word 1447 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,040 city or state from the from the statute, 1448 00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,119 it should rectify that problem. So, I 1449 00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:34,160 don't know if it's on I don't think 1450 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:35,280 >> it's on tomorrow. 1451 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:36,240 >> I didn't know if it was on tomorrow's 1452 00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,480 agenda, but yeah, then we're good. 1453 00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,960 >> Okay. What about hotels? 1454 00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,950 >> Dwayne, 1455 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:52,390 » hotel mot. 1456 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,319 » All right. where we left off uh at the 1457 00:58:54,319 --> 00:58:56,480 last committee meeting um was 1458 00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,760 councilwoman uh Julie Sando Dennis uh 1459 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,920 wanted the definition for what uh a 1460 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,000 regulated rental unit was. I shared that 1461 00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:05,200 today. I don't know if everybody was 1462 00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,480 able to read it or had a chance to. I 1463 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,280 emailed it to everyone. Um so what we're 1464 00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,760 doing is we're so the hotel itself is 1465 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,640 being caught under that verbiage as 1466 00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,559 well. it was just at some point put in 1467 00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:21,599 the exempt ones that aren't considered 1468 00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:24,640 rental units. So, we're taking that out 1469 00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,520 and then um so that'll now fall under 1470 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,000 the rental program 1471 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,760 with the bed and breakfast that was 1472 00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,480 brought up. Um so, it is an owner 1473 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,000 occupied and there is only one in the 1474 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,200 city. I mean, we could amend it to take 1475 00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,280 that out to make it a registered rental. 1476 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,240 To me, I I don't think it would hurt to 1477 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:47,920 leave it exempt because it's owner 1478 00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,400 occupied. The owner does live there when 1479 00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,480 tenants come in or well when transient 1480 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,880 guests come in. Um but I mean I'll leave 1481 00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:56,480 that up to your discretion or 1482 00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:57,920 >> Well, well, you got to make sure I would 1483 00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,079 be in favor of that if if we're for sure 1484 01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:03,040 that is a owner occupied. The problem is 1485 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:04,640 they they'll rent out both places and 1486 01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:06,480 they'll go find a place sell the place 1487 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,000 because Belum is having that problem 1488 01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:08,720 right now. 1489 01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,359 >> Yeah. So, we only have one that's 1490 01:00:11,359 --> 01:00:13,119 >> the one on Wood Avenue. 1491 01:00:13,119 --> 01:00:15,760 >> No, there's no there's no better. 1492 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,680 >> No, no, no. There's there's only one. 1493 01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,920 It's at 131 Catel Street. 1494 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,520 >> Are we sure? Mayor might know of two 1495 01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:22,799 more. 1496 01:00:22,799 --> 01:00:24,079 >> Then I went on a website. 1497 01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:25,520 >> Then they're not legal. Are they Are you 1498 01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:26,720 talking about Airbnbs? 1499 01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:27,040 >> Yeah. 1500 01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:28,559 >> No, we're not. 1501 01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:30,240 >> So, short-term rentals are something 1502 01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,160 completely different than a bed and 1503 01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:32,960 breakfastdeed 1504 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,440 >> as far as zoning is required. So, so 1505 01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,000 short-term rentals are under the rental 1506 01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:38,559 program, 1507 01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:40,400 >> but the one on center square above 1508 01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:41,760 Bigers came to 1509 01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:42,480 >> they got denied 1510 01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,079 >> zoning. They got Oh, they got denied. 1511 01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:44,559 That's right. 1512 01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:46,319 >> So, here here's my concern. How many 1513 01:00:46,319 --> 01:00:48,000 beds does does the bed and breakfast 1514 01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,000 have that we're talking about? 1515 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:50,480 >> How many rooms? 1516 01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:51,680 >> Just three bedrooms. 1517 01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:52,319 >> Just three. 1518 01:00:52,319 --> 01:00:53,520 >> Yeah. 1519 01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,040 >> And there were there was conditions of 1520 01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:56,480 approval for that 1521 01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:57,839 >> through zoning when they got their 1522 01:00:57,839 --> 01:01:00,160 approval. I I I just think if we start 1523 01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,319 pulling out who does and who doesn't, it 1524 01:01:02,319 --> 01:01:04,720 can get tricky later and people can find 1525 01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,799 ways to circumvent. Personally, since 1526 01:01:06,799 --> 01:01:09,760 we're talking about the the the 1527 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,839 safety of the visitors as well as our 1528 01:01:11,839 --> 01:01:13,680 first responders, I'd like to see them 1529 01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,920 all included in the the same inspections 1530 01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:17,280 when it comes to fire. That's my 1531 01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:17,599 opinion. 1532 01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:21,040 >> I would too. I agree with that. 1533 01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,200 >> All right. So, 1534 01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:27,040 as far as uh the 45618 1535 01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,400 uh A2, we will get rid of well, we'll 1536 01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,640 remove section C as well for the bed and 1537 01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:33,760 breakfast and then they'll fall under 1538 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:34,720 the rental program. 1539 01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:35,200 >> Okay. 1540 01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,280 >> So, the hotel the hotel will be out and 1541 01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:38,559 the bed and breakfast will be out and 1542 01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:40,480 fall under the rental uh program. 1543 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,880 >> Dwayne, can you provide an update to to 1544 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,079 Karen because we're going to update it 1545 01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:45,359 for tomorrow's night's meeting. 1546 01:01:45,359 --> 01:01:45,760 >> Absolutely. 1547 01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:46,319 >> Introduce it. 1548 01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:47,119 >> Great introduction. 1549 01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:50,480 >> Yep. Wayne, can I uh ask you just to go 1550 01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:57,040 back a little bit to um it's uh 2 A. 1551 01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:01,359 So it's A2A 45618 1552 01:02:01,359 --> 01:02:03,839 A2A 1553 01:02:03,839 --> 01:02:11,280 or B rather A2B. So essentially you were you're going to uh take away 1554 01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,640 from the carve out hotels and motel, 1555 01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,319 right? 1556 01:02:16,319 --> 01:02:19,040 Um 1557 01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,000 the thing is 1558 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:23,839 up here 1559 01:02:23,839 --> 01:02:31,040 so a hotel in a motel is uh is part is a regulated rental unit based on our 1560 01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:32,640 um 1561 01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:34,160 definitions. 1562 01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,200 So here you say for a rooming house, 1563 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,400 this is in 45618A1. 1564 01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,640 For a rooming house, a single license is 1565 01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:44,400 allowed for all units within a rooming 1566 01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,559 house building. Shouldn't that also be 1567 01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:49,119 for a hotel and motel? I mean, you're 1568 01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:51,040 not asking a hotel or motel to get a 1569 01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,440 license for each individual room. 1570 01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:54,960 >> Wait, what section you in again? Just so 1571 01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,079 I'm following 561 18 A2B 1572 01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:00,720 >> A2B. 1573 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,480 So, hotels, motel used for transit 1574 01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,480 visitors, but without units. 1575 01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:09,200 >> It's 45 5618 A1. 1576 01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:10,559 >> Yep. 1577 01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:12,079 >> All right. 1578 01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:14,079 >> So, it starts with a residential rental 1579 01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:15,920 license shall be required for all 1580 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,520 regulated rental units. 1581 01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:18,000 >> Yep. 1582 01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,720 >> A regulated rental unit includes a hotel 1583 01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:21,599 and a motel. 1584 01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:22,160 >> That's correct. 1585 01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,720 >> Okay. Then you say in the same 1586 01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,359 paragraph, for a rooming house, a single 1587 01:03:27,359 --> 01:03:29,359 license is allowed for all units within 1588 01:03:29,359 --> 01:03:31,039 a rooming house building. In other 1589 01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:33,680 words, you only need one license. 1590 01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:35,520 Wouldn't that also be true for hotels 1591 01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,680 and motel where you only need one 1592 01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:39,440 license? 1593 01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,280 >> Well, you're I guess you're kind of 1594 01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,480 splitting hairs because a hotel is is a 1595 01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:48,240 different use than a rooming house. 1596 01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:49,839 >> No, it's just the license requirement. 1597 01:03:49,839 --> 01:03:51,520 In other words, does a hotel owner have 1598 01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,280 to go and get a license for every single 1599 01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,960 different unit in the hotel? It the way 1600 01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,119 it reads now, they do. 1601 01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:01,359 >> I I would say the way it reads, yes, 1602 01:04:01,359 --> 01:04:03,599 because there's it's two different uses. 1603 01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:05,440 A rooming house is different than what a 1604 01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,960 hotel is as far as the use. 1605 01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:10,799 >> Oh, I see. I see you're saying the unit 1606 01:04:10,799 --> 01:04:14,880 or shall be organ for a room. 1607 01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,760 Well, why even have that that uh 1608 01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,079 sentence 1609 01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:22,160 like 1610 01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:25,599 no 1611 01:04:25,599 --> 01:04:26,960 I think you're missing the point. It's 1612 01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,760 not two separate uses. So a residential 1613 01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:31,760 rental license shall be required for all 1614 01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,039 regulated rental units. That includes 1615 01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:38,880 SRO's, hotels, motel. Okay. 1616 01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,119 >> And then 1617 01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:45,039 for all regulated rental units. So that 1618 01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:47,119 includes a motel. And here you're saying 1619 01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:49,359 for a rooming house only a single 1620 01:04:49,359 --> 01:04:52,000 license is allowed for all units within 1621 01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,720 a rooming house building. So for a 1622 01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:58,160 motel, isn't it just a single house is a 1623 01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,400 single license is allowed? 1624 01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,079 >> Well, it's more or less a commercial 1625 01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:04,319 building, right? So what what I'm saying 1626 01:05:04,319 --> 01:05:06,400 is and and maybe we're splitting hairs 1627 01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,760 on what it is. I'm looking at it as the 1628 01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,640 use of the building itself. The use of a 1629 01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:14,960 building for a hotel is completely 1630 01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,599 different than the use of a rooming 1631 01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:20,720 house, right? You're having single rooms 1632 01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,119 that are, you know, not as large as 1633 01:05:23,119 --> 01:05:24,559 hotel rooms because, you know, hotel 1634 01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:26,480 rooms are a lot larger. Roaming houses 1635 01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,480 don't have a shower within their unit. 1636 01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,599 It's usually a communal shower within 1637 01:05:31,599 --> 01:05:32,880 the house. Mhm. 1638 01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:33,920 >> Um, 1639 01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:39,119 >> but doesn't a motel does a motel then 1640 01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:41,359 need to get more than a single license 1641 01:05:41,359 --> 01:05:45,670 for all its units? 1642 01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:47,359 » I would say yes. 1643 01:05:47,359 --> 01:05:50,000 >> So if a motel has a 100 units and it it 1644 01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:51,440 has to get a 100 licenses. 1645 01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,520 >> Yes. It's just like the marquee has 100 1646 01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,200 units. It would have to get 100 rental 1647 01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:56,240 licenses. 1648 01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:56,720 >> Okay. For 1649 01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,000 >> each unit. 1650 01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:59,440 >> That's how Oh, I didn't know that's how 1651 01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,119 you 1652 01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:03,039 >> Okay. 1653 01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:05,680 Got it. Hey, then it makes perfect sense 1654 01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:06,720 then. 1655 01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:08,000 >> Thank you. 1656 01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:09,359 >> If there's no other questions or 1657 01:06:09,359 --> 01:06:10,640 comments, it'll be on the agenda 1658 01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,640 tomorrow for introduction and Dwayne 1659 01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,880 will update and get the camera 1660 01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,480 >> pulling that out. 1661 01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:20,240 >> Okay. Law lease agreement renewal. 1662 01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:23,200 >> We wanted to get information to set the 1663 01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:23,520 um 1664 01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:25,359 >> I have a slight I have a slight there's 1665 01:06:25,359 --> 01:06:26,480 no 1666 01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,160 >> county didn't give us anything. 1667 01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:29,200 >> Mayor, we did receive some 1668 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,680 correspondence uh today. It was late 1669 01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:35,359 today, but um I have to verify we we got 1670 01:06:35,359 --> 01:06:39,280 some expenses, but looking at that uh 1671 01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,799 report um I have more questions than I 1672 01:06:42,799 --> 01:06:47,039 do anything else. Um so I we we got this 1673 01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:49,359 late today and I can't comment on like 1674 01:06:49,359 --> 01:06:51,440 what kind of information we got there. 1675 01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:52,160 >> So um 1676 01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:53,200 >> table it for two weeks. 1677 01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:56,400 >> Table it. Well, we do have to 1678 01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:57,599 >> notify them 1679 01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:00,799 >> that the tenant should be notified 1680 01:07:00,799 --> 01:07:03,280 by August 1st. So, there should be a 1681 01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:08,079 decision tomorrow made as to whether to 1682 01:07:08,079 --> 01:07:10,160 I mean, the option would be to renew the 1683 01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,000 lease at the current rent and then wait 1684 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,839 a year and see where we're at and have 1685 01:07:13,839 --> 01:07:17,359 one once we have just the idea of 1686 01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:18,720 raising the rent during the lease is 1687 01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:21,039 tricky. Probably okay, but I don't like 1688 01:07:21,039 --> 01:07:23,359 probably. The problem though is if if 1689 01:07:23,359 --> 01:07:26,160 everybody here discussed what the cost 1690 01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:27,760 is to maintain and everything, we don't 1691 01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:28,880 have that information. How can we 1692 01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:30,480 >> We do not have that information. So, 1693 01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,119 it's a question of do we do we choose to 1694 01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:35,119 change the rent without that information 1695 01:07:35,119 --> 01:07:37,920 tomorrow or do you choose to leave the 1696 01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,599 rent the same without that information? 1697 01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:41,920 >> I I I can try to provide a an update 1698 01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:43,520 tomorrow. So, like I said, I did not get 1699 01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:45,599 a chance to um it came in late in the 1700 01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:47,920 day and I I really have to sit down and 1701 01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,799 re and review it with um not only John 1702 01:07:50,799 --> 01:07:55,039 Kingsley, but call um the attorney um 1703 01:07:55,039 --> 01:07:57,280 and just question some of the reports. 1704 01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:58,880 It's just not that clear. 1705 01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:00,160 >> I mean, there there's there's thousand 1706 01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:03,280 >> I think we should raise it. Mrs. Sos is 1707 01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,520 not going to be happy regardless. So, I 1708 01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:06,640 think we should just let her know that 1709 01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,520 her rent's being increased. I mean, I 1710 01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,319 don't care if it's to $250, 1711 01:08:12,319 --> 01:08:13,680 $14 a month. 1712 01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:15,280 >> So, let me ask let me ask 1713 01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:16,799 >> Have you re Sorry. Have you reached out 1714 01:08:16,799 --> 01:08:19,600 to Miss Host to get her income or has 1715 01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:20,400 anybody Sorry. 1716 01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:21,199 >> Verify it. 1717 01:08:21,199 --> 01:08:24,960 >> No, I'm not aware of of if anyone has 1718 01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,159 done that or not. I would I I would ask 1719 01:08:28,159 --> 01:08:30,799 I will ask John Kingsley um since he was 1720 01:08:30,799 --> 01:08:33,279 the one who was the uh point person on 1721 01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:37,759 this project. Um but so tomorrow we can 1722 01:08:37,759 --> 01:08:40,799 regroup and try to get um just some 1723 01:08:40,799 --> 01:08:42,640 clarity. There is a report that's 1724 01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,799 showing and again I I got to look at I 1725 01:08:44,799 --> 01:08:47,120 got to look at the in more detail that's 1726 01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,359 showing like showing at least a few 1727 01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:52,880 thousand dollars in expenses. Now my 1728 01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,359 question going back to you anyway is 1729 01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:57,920 regarding the market value. It doesn't 1730 01:08:57,920 --> 01:08:59,279 sound like you want to go up to market 1731 01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:01,279 value but you do want to increase the uh 1732 01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:05,279 rental rate because there's expenses. Okay. So, it's 1733 01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:05,759 not based on 1734 01:09:05,759 --> 01:09:07,520 >> it' be at least 15% of her income. 1735 01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:08,239 >> Gotcha. 1736 01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:09,040 >> I agree. 1737 01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:10,000 >> Yeah. I 1738 01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,080 >> I think if we set it a percentage of her 1739 01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:13,839 income and you know it would account for 1740 01:09:13,839 --> 01:09:14,880 it every single year. 1741 01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,480 >> Yeah. I'm not aware that we were able to 1742 01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:17,759 get any any information. 1743 01:09:17,759 --> 01:09:19,839 >> I I will get you her income by the 1744 01:09:19,839 --> 01:09:20,480 morning. 1745 01:09:20,480 --> 01:09:22,239 >> That's fine. Like we're meeting we have 1746 01:09:22,239 --> 01:09:24,560 a solicitor's meeting at 9:00 a.m. So 1747 01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:25,839 >> I'll get it for you tonight if we get 1748 01:09:25,839 --> 01:09:27,520 out of here in time or tomorrow. 1749 01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:28,880 >> They'll get it to me by nine o'clock and 1750 01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:30,080 that's fine. 1751 01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:31,679 I'm not [laughter] 1752 01:09:31,679 --> 01:09:33,679 >> Oh, no way. 1753 01:09:33,679 --> 01:09:34,719 >> Every day. 1754 01:09:34,719 --> 01:09:36,319 >> Can we talk about what percentage of our 1755 01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:38,719 income we would increase it to? 1756 01:09:38,719 --> 01:09:39,120 >> Sure. 1757 01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,279 >> I mean, because Mayor, you mentioned 1758 01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:46,400 15%. I mean, that's awfully It's hard to tell a constituent. Yeah, we're 1759 01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:49,920 giving this incredible deal to this one 1760 01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:51,040 individual. 1761 01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:52,159 >> But my my concern, 1762 01:09:52,159 --> 01:09:54,400 >> why can't it be 30? Like, 1763 01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,560 >> so the 30 we're doing on my bill, which 1764 01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:58,320 is the workforce housing, right? So, the 1765 01:09:58,320 --> 01:09:59,600 middle class 1766 01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:01,600 I can't guarantee until I get the 1767 01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:03,840 number, but I'm almost positive she's 1768 01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,800 significantly lower than that on 1769 01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,320 probably just whatever social security 1770 01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:09,920 gives her. 1771 01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:11,920 >> She would fall in 30%. Yeah, she would 1772 01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:12,880 fall in 30%. 1773 01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,960 >> Based based on a very rough like uh 1774 01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,760 internet analysis, 1775 01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,080 like a widow living alone who's let's 1776 01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:23,600 say never worked, and I I don't know 1777 01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:25,920 whether she's worked or not, who had a 1778 01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,480 laborer for a husband. 1779 01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:30,960 um they would make 1780 01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,480 between $1,800 to $2,400 a month 1781 01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:35,199 >> income. 1782 01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:39,360 >> So if we took 25% of 1800s, that would 1783 01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,280 make $450 1784 01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,159 in rent, which would be a 99.1% 1785 01:10:44,159 --> 01:10:45,920 increase, almost 100% increase or 1786 01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:47,600 doubling it. I 1787 01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,560 >> I think the question though is what what 1788 01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,719 exactly is that increase going to do for 1789 01:10:52,719 --> 01:10:55,199 us without knowing the numbers of what's 1790 01:10:55,199 --> 01:10:57,199 happening there? And I I don't think and 1791 01:10:57,199 --> 01:10:58,719 I don't think unless you go market rate, 1792 01:10:58,719 --> 01:11:00,159 you're going to make a significant 1793 01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:02,640 difference for us with any increase. 1794 01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:03,840 >> And and I know to your point, 1795 01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,239 Councilwoman, about getting such a sweet 1796 01:11:06,239 --> 01:11:06,800 deal. 1797 01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:08,239 >> It's a perception issue, 1798 01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:10,480 >> but the woman's been there for 50 years. 1799 01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:13,040 I mean, to to we get to to to raise her 1800 01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:14,960 rent 100%. That's not going to help us 1801 01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:15,440 with anything. 1802 01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:17,600 >> But those those units weren't meant to 1803 01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:19,600 have people there 50 years. They were 1804 01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,640 meant to be there and to move on. I 1805 01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,719 don't disagree, but that's a a systemic 1806 01:11:24,719 --> 01:11:26,800 problem for over 50 years by the city, 1807 01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:27,679 not from her. 1808 01:11:27,679 --> 01:11:29,920 >> I think a percentage of income is fair, 1809 01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:31,679 but you know, meanwhile, in a few 1810 01:11:31,679 --> 01:11:33,600 months, it not soon we're going to be 1811 01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:34,880 sitting down with the budget looking for 1812 01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,920 two pennies to to to put together and 1813 01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,080 meanwhile we're incurring costs on a 1814 01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:40,880 unit. 1815 01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:42,159 >> We have to look at that. 1816 01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:43,920 >> Yeah. But but and that's why I mentioned 1817 01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:47,199 prior of adjusting the lease to say, you 1818 01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:49,840 know, uh uh you want a sidewalk replaced 1819 01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:51,280 just because you don't like it. Well, 1820 01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:52,640 that's your responsibility. We're not 1821 01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,120 paying for that. And we haven't explored 1822 01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,120 looking at what we're putting out. So, I 1823 01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:59,440 think we need to adjust the lease to say 1824 01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:01,440 we can't just come and repair things 1825 01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:02,640 just cuz you don't like it. 1826 01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:03,920 >> Sure. I mean, there's a lot of things in 1827 01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:05,840 my own home I'd like to repair as well. 1828 01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:07,760 But, you know, there if it's not a code 1829 01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:09,440 violation or a safety violation, it 1830 01:12:09,440 --> 01:12:11,280 doesn't always get done. You do it when 1831 01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:12,159 you can afford to do it. 1832 01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:13,360 >> So, I think we should update the Lisa at 1833 01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:14,800 least to say that so we're not 1834 01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,640 hemorrhaging the money as we look like 1835 01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,520 we've been doing. Um, but I'll get her 1836 01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,199 salary. I I'll talk to her today and try 1837 01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:23,280 to get documentation and then give it to 1838 01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:23,760 you guys. 1839 01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:25,440 >> Good. Come with me. 1840 01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:28,000 >> Suggestion is to um not increase the 1841 01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,480 rent but have her pay for maintenance. 1842 01:12:30,480 --> 01:12:32,159 >> I'm saying I think we talked about it 1843 01:12:32,159 --> 01:12:33,840 before. We should we should consider it 1844 01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:35,520 if it's something that is our 1845 01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:36,159 responsibility. 1846 01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:38,239 >> Tenant pay for maintenance is that they 1847 01:12:38,239 --> 01:12:39,280 don't do it. 1848 01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:40,000 >> But what I'm saying 1849 01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,960 >> we get back as a building that is 1850 01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,679 >> deplorable that requires $40,000 worth 1851 01:12:45,679 --> 01:12:47,520 of improvements. What I'm saying is 1852 01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,199 looking at it like other landlords, 1853 01:12:49,199 --> 01:12:51,920 right? If if the roof is leaking because 1854 01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:53,600 the shingles are old, that's our 1855 01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:56,080 responsibility, right? If she clogs the 1856 01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,159 sink with hair or something else, that's 1857 01:12:58,159 --> 01:13:00,320 her responsibility. If she wants the 1858 01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:01,520 sidewalk done because she doesn't like 1859 01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:02,880 the way it looks anymore, that's your 1860 01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:04,880 responsibility, right? Like I think we 1861 01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:06,800 need to look at things like that and a 1862 01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,120 small percentage based on her her 1863 01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,440 income. My my concern is I just don't 1864 01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:13,040 want to exceed 1865 01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:14,960 >> her increase from social security and 1866 01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:16,560 then we put her out in the street. I 1867 01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:17,600 mean that's why we need that's an 1868 01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:20,000 important point to be able I think you 1869 01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,159 know other affordable housing has its 1870 01:13:22,159 --> 01:13:23,840 percentages as well that they look at 1871 01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:24,480 income 1872 01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:26,320 >> it's all built in though 1873 01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:29,199 >> it it you know if you're if you find out 1874 01:13:29,199 --> 01:13:31,120 that there's more coming in there could 1875 01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:32,800 be p there could be things we don't know 1876 01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,040 about it's not fair to other the other 1877 01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,760 taxpayers to burden that call 1878 01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:39,679 >> and updates. I think we really got to 1879 01:13:39,679 --> 01:13:41,360 like take a good look at that lease and 1880 01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,280 see what that lease is saying because if 1881 01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,840 she's under housing authority, is that 1882 01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:46,800 who's holding the 1883 01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:48,320 >> No, she's not. She's under the city of 1884 01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:49,040 East. 1885 01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:50,800 >> Okay. So, we still need to look at that 1886 01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,040 lease so that we can make sure that 1887 01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:56,719 going forward that we're 1888 01:13:56,719 --> 01:13:58,400 not displacing her. I'm concerned about 1889 01:13:58,400 --> 01:13:59,199 displacing. 1890 01:13:59,199 --> 01:14:00,560 >> Right. But here's the problem with that, 1891 01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,000 Councilman. We mentioned that two weeks 1892 01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:02,880 ago 1893 01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:04,400 >> and now tomorrow's our last voting 1894 01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:05,520 meeting and it needs to be done for 1895 01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,440 August 1. So, what do we do? We didn't 1896 01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:08,640 do what we were. 1897 01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:10,320 >> That's what I'm saying. Um, council, 1898 01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,719 >> no. Lei County didn't get back to John. 1899 01:14:12,719 --> 01:14:14,400 tried to get the information. Lei 1900 01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:15,520 County didn't get back to him. 1901 01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:16,640 >> They're the only one who hold it. 1902 01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:18,239 >> At minimum, it seems like she's getting 1903 01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:19,280 $1,800. 1904 01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:23,679 >> They got back they got back to us late today. Both myself and Mike were on 1905 01:14:23,679 --> 01:14:26,320 the email, but I mean, this is late. And 1906 01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:28,159 >> well, I'll email what I get tonight to 1907 01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:29,199 all the council and to the 1908 01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:30,800 administration, and then we can 1909 01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,480 tomorrow. We'll just have to 1910 01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:33,120 >> discuss it. 1911 01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:34,560 and do something tomorrow. I 1912 01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:35,920 mean, it's our last day to vote on it 1913 01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:37,120 before the renewal. 1914 01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:38,800 >> I think we should vote on it tomorrow 1915 01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:40,400 night. And 1916 01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:42,800 >> no matter what you raise it to, I I'm 1917 01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:44,480 sure she will be at the next meeting. 1918 01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:45,840 >> Well, I mean, that's fine. But 1919 01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:46,320 >> that's fine. 1920 01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:48,000 >> As long as we're doing it fair. I mean, 1921 01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:49,360 we got, you know, as long as we're doing 1922 01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:51,280 it fair. Nobody's going to I've learned 1923 01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:52,560 over the last three years, no matter 1924 01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:53,679 what you do, you're going to piss 1925 01:14:53,679 --> 01:14:55,600 everybody off. So, 1926 01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:56,000 >> what it is 1927 01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:58,239 >> as an individual, you can't imagine that 1928 01:14:58,239 --> 01:15:00,800 your rate of 1929 01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:01,440 goes up. 1930 01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:03,760 >> That never goes up. I mean it just 1931 01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,080 >> don't happen. It does. So 1932 01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:07,280 >> you get probably get cooler. 1933 01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:10,159 >> Mike, remind us on the lease what's in 1934 01:15:10,159 --> 01:15:12,080 there for increases on the lease. 1935 01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:13,920 >> So there's no limit on the increase. 1936 01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:14,800 >> No limit, but 1937 01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:17,120 >> you can increase the the but 1938 01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:18,880 >> So it doesn't say income or anything. 1939 01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:20,000 It's whatever we feel like doing. 1940 01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:22,000 >> The rent can be whatever number the city 1941 01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,320 wants it to be. But anything else 1942 01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:27,360 requires consent of the property owner. 1943 01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,840 There is some room in for interpretation 1944 01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:31,920 in what exact level of maintenance is 1945 01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:32,560 required, 1946 01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:32,880 >> right? 1947 01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:34,640 >> I think it's necessary maintenance. So, 1948 01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,800 I think there is 1949 01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:38,239 there's a certain definition of what's 1950 01:15:38,239 --> 01:15:40,159 necessary versus what somebody might 1951 01:15:40,159 --> 01:15:41,199 like to have. 1952 01:15:41,199 --> 01:15:42,640 >> Could you put that together for 1953 01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:43,199 tomorrow? 1954 01:15:43,199 --> 01:15:43,840 >> Yeah. Yeah. 1955 01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,320 >> Of of your recommendation because of 1956 01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:50,149 >> Yeah. of the repairs. 1957 01:15:50,159 --> 01:15:51,520 » Well, we know what's going to happen to 1958 01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,159 that property once living in it. 1959 01:15:54,159 --> 01:15:55,360 >> And I mean, we're looking at we're 1960 01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:56,800 looking at third. we're going to sell it 1961 01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,480 and we're looking at we talk about 1962 01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:00,159 30,000 right because that's what like 1963 01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:02,000 the workforce housing is like 30 up to 1964 01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,480 70 or whatever but if she's making 18 a 1965 01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:07,120 month she 30% if she's looking at 18 a 1966 01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:09,360 month she's making like 21 cents a year 1967 01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:10,800 so that wouldn't put her in workforce 1968 01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:12,560 that would put her at low income what 1969 01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:13,920 the percentage is for low income 1970 01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:15,360 >> I think it makes the most sense to 1971 01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,520 charge her a percentage of her income 1972 01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:20,239 lock it in every year she'll get an 1973 01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:21,760 increase in you know her social security 1974 01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:22,400 or whatever 1975 01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:23,360 >> but the question is what's the 1976 01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:24,320 percentage 1977 01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:26,719 >> well then we got to figure that Right. 1978 01:16:26,719 --> 01:16:28,080 That's what we have to do. And then 1979 01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:28,800 >> low income 1980 01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:30,320 >> then it'll go up automatically every 1981 01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:30,560 year 1982 01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:32,880 >> because 216 is considered low income. 1983 01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:33,920 >> Just generally 1984 01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:35,120 >> 25%. 1985 01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,199 >> Yeah. That's general thumb, but I don't 1986 01:16:37,199 --> 01:16:38,960 know if that's the federal rule. 1987 01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:40,239 >> Yeah. I I don't know. 1988 01:16:40,239 --> 01:16:42,640 >> It's always 30%. And it really doesn't 1989 01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,040 really increase the state level. They 1990 01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:45,600 >> 30%. 1991 01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:46,000 >> Yeah. 1992 01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:47,199 >> For low income people. 1993 01:16:47,199 --> 01:16:48,080 >> Yeah. 1994 01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:50,640 >> Well, for the federal 1995 01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:52,320 Kenny worked with it for 20 years, so he 1996 01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:52,719 knows. 1997 01:16:52,719 --> 01:16:55,440 >> Does she pay for her own utilities? 1998 01:16:55,440 --> 01:16:55,840 Does 1999 01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,239 >> I believe so, but 2000 01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:00,000 >> yeah, I don't see that in the lease, so 2001 01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:01,440 I'm assuming she must be. 2002 01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:03,280 >> Yeah. So, just I mean, be aware though 2003 01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:06,640 that and I and I think it's fine, but 2004 01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:10,159 let's just say she makes $1,800 2005 01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:12,239 and if we were to get 25%, we'd 2006 01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:14,640 effectively be doubling her rent, which 2007 01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:19,360 I think is fair. That's only um $450 a 2008 01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:22,000 month. 2009 01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,239 >> She just can't go to bangle no more. God 2010 01:17:24,239 --> 01:17:28,390 bless her. 2011 01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:30,800 » So, just a quick thing, market rate 2012 01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:32,719 departments. Many landlords raise rent 3 2013 01:17:32,719 --> 01:17:34,239 to 5% per year to keep up with 2014 01:17:34,239 --> 01:17:36,320 inflation, operating costs, whatever. In 2015 01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:38,320 a tight housing market, 5 to 10% 2016 01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:40,320 increase. Affordable uh HUD public 2017 01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:43,040 housing or housing vouchers. Rent is 2018 01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:44,640 generally based on the tenants income. 2019 01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:47,040 Most tenants pay about 30% of their 2020 01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:50,880 adjusted monthly income towards rent 2021 01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,760 in utilities and things included. So, 2022 01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,719 we'll take her yearly or her monthly 2023 01:17:56,719 --> 01:17:59,440 salary and and look at 30% of that. 2024 01:17:59,440 --> 01:17:59,760 >> Yeah. 2025 01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:01,520 >> And see what that comes with. The 2026 01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,719 reality is never $140, which is more 2027 01:18:04,719 --> 01:18:06,800 than twice what she's paying now. 2028 01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:08,159 >> At that point, might want to look at a 2029 01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:10,239 step up per year. That's a big 2030 01:18:10,239 --> 01:18:11,920 >> That's a big increase at one time. Yeah, 2031 01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:12,640 absolutely. 2032 01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:16,400 >> Well, it's double if we just go to 25%. 2033 01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:18,320 If her income's 1,800, 2034 01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:20,560 >> I would suggest that we make a lease, a 2035 01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,199 new lease, Mike, a new lease that says 2036 01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:25,520 that what it's going to go up to and 2037 01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,239 maybe maybe she will move out, move in 2038 01:18:28,239 --> 01:18:31,360 with her sister. 2039 01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:32,400 >> She's watching, man. 2040 01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:34,480 >> No, there is no [laughter] 2041 01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:36,159 >> any rent increase doesn't go in effect 2042 01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:37,920 for two months anyway. So, there'd be a 2043 01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:40,159 two month there'd be a two-month lag 2044 01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:41,679 before there's a rent increase any 2045 01:18:41,679 --> 01:18:42,800 before the rent increase becomes 2046 01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:46,000 effective. So, I'll get council her 2047 01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,480 yearly income or monthly income. 2048 01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:49,760 >> You going to knock on her door? 2049 01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:50,640 >> I am. 2050 01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:52,239 I'm going to tell her Sal Panto 2051 01:18:52,239 --> 01:18:54,719 sent me. And then and I'm going to give 2052 01:18:54,719 --> 01:18:57,040 her my card with his cell phone number. 2053 01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:57,520 >> Go for it. 2054 01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:58,800 >> And in the meantime, 2055 01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:00,000 >> I'll bring you. 2056 01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,000 >> In the meantime, you'll look at um 2057 01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,000 repairs and maintenance and then we'll 2058 01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:05,840 just have to 2059 01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:06,880 >> just a quick question from the 2060 01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:10,560 solicitor. Um, is is there an anti- um 2061 01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,360 sub lease provision in the contract? 2062 01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:14,560 >> I believe there is. I don't have the 2063 01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:15,840 lease in front of me at this moment. 2064 01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:17,040 >> Yeah, because I mean we don't want her 2065 01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:18,320 moving out 2066 01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:20,800 >> and subleasasing it and I'm charging 2067 01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:21,520 $2,000. 2068 01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:23,120 >> I'm almost certain there's not there's 2069 01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:23,920 no, 2070 01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:25,840 >> but I will double check to make sure. 2071 01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:26,400 >> All right. 2072 01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:28,159 We 2073 01:19:28,159 --> 01:19:29,440 >> Yeah. 2074 01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:30,080 >> Thank you. 2075 01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:33,679 >> Okay. Uh, the next two deal with DCD and 2076 01:19:33,679 --> 01:19:35,600 the chairman of the DCD committee does 2077 01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:37,520 not know what they're about, so Hold off 2078 01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:39,440 whether Mr. Kingsy can explain them to 2079 01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:41,040 us or I'll get information on them 2080 01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:41,679 tomorrow. 2081 01:19:41,679 --> 01:19:44,480 >> Mayor, I think just for sake, I think 2082 01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:46,159 some of our directors still don't 2083 01:19:46,159 --> 01:19:48,320 understand the whole concept of 2084 01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:49,840 committee meeting and council meeting. 2085 01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:51,840 So, they're bringing like everything. 2086 01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:53,440 They're applying for a grant, right? 2087 01:19:53,440 --> 01:19:54,960 They're just applying for grants, but I 2088 01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:56,080 think just they're crossing all their 2089 01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:57,840 tees and dotting on their eyes. So, they 2090 01:19:57,840 --> 01:19:59,040 wanted to let us know what they're 2091 01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:00,239 applying for. So, I'll get that 2092 01:20:00,239 --> 01:20:02,239 information out to everyone tonight. 2093 01:20:02,239 --> 01:20:04,560 >> But that's really what it is. It's I 2094 01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:06,800 don't see us voting no on on applying 2095 01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:08,000 for a grant. So, 2096 01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:08,480 >> right. 2097 01:20:08,480 --> 01:20:09,840 >> Um 2098 01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:11,760 >> the last item is resolution appointing 2099 01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,360 and reappointing people to authorities 2100 01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:14,400 board. You 2101 01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:16,000 >> skip one. 2102 01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:17,040 >> Wait, six, seven, eight. 2103 01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:20,080 >> Oh, open go software implementation. 2104 01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:21,840 >> Eight. Six and seven are seven and 2105 01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:22,159 eight. 2106 01:20:22,159 --> 01:20:23,840 >> So, mayor's going to do eight. 2107 01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:25,280 >> Oh, we 2108 01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:27,280 >> six and seven are the grants for DCD 2109 01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:28,239 that 2110 01:20:28,239 --> 01:20:31,440 >> Oh, can I just can I please raise an 2111 01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:34,080 issue about seven? the resolution 2112 01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:36,880 authorizing East DCD to apply for a 2113 01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:41,840 hotel tax grant. That grant is to go 2114 01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:46,080 towards um oh I had it up shoot the 2115 01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:48,640 infamous bugler 2116 01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:51,199 and I don't think we want to say the 2117 01:20:51,199 --> 01:20:54,960 infamous bugler in our ordinance. So 2118 01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:58,080 infamous means uh somebody well known 2119 01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:01,600 for some bad quality or deed such as an 2120 01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:04,159 infamous war criminal 2121 01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:06,800 >> and people on uh AI ask is infamous 2122 01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:09,440 positive or negative and it is strictly 2123 01:21:09,440 --> 01:21:11,920 negative. It means well known for a bad 2124 01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,719 reason such as a scandalous act, crime 2125 01:21:14,719 --> 01:21:17,360 or poor poor reputation according to 2126 01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:18,400 Mariam Webster. 2127 01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:19,760 >> And we don't know what the bugler did. 2128 01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:21,520 Well, who 2129 01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:21,920 wrote it? 2130 01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:22,880 >> Who woke him up? 2131 01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:26,000 >> Because it's an or it's a resolution. I 2132 01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:27,760 think we should change the term 2133 01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,239 infamous. 2134 01:21:30,239 --> 01:21:32,906 >> Something 1861. 2135 01:21:32,906 --> 01:21:33,040 [laughter] 2136 01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:33,440 >> Yeah. 2137 01:21:33,440 --> 01:21:34,000 >> Something. 2138 01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:35,360 >> He woke everybody up and 2139 01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:36,159 >> scandalous. 2140 01:21:36,159 --> 01:21:37,760 >> Yes. Less scandic 2141 01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:38,800 >> and more. 2142 01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,520 >> Yeah. Iconic's fine. That's good. 2143 01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:44,880 >> The iconic view or it's iconic. 2144 01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:46,239 >> So, we're good with the plan for the 2145 01:21:46,239 --> 01:21:47,520 brand, but we just want to change that 2146 01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,760 in the wording. change that in the 2147 01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,556 wording if unless you want to keep it. 2148 01:21:52,556 --> 01:21:53,040 [laughter] 2149 01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:54,480 >> I don't want to keep it. You're right. I 2150 01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:55,520 agree. I know. 2151 01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:57,440 >> All right, mayor. Number eight is yours. 2152 01:21:57,440 --> 01:21:59,760 >> Well, we're going to number eight is 2153 01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:01,520 resolution for open gov software 2154 01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:02,480 implementation. 2155 01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:03,600 >> He's going to be giving a pretty 2156 01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:05,360 >> good grant for that. Correct. 2157 01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:08,400 >> Right. So, um council already approved 2158 01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:11,199 um the acquisition for the um new 2159 01:22:11,199 --> 01:22:13,520 software. There's a cost to the 2160 01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:15,840 software. Uh we are, as the mayor said, 2161 01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:19,040 we applied for a grant. Um we confident 2162 01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:20,719 in getting that grant. It's an annual 2163 01:22:20,719 --> 01:22:25,199 grant. Um the uh this the implementation 2164 01:22:25,199 --> 01:22:29,440 cost I think it was about 400,000. 2165 01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:34,080 Um the uh a letters went out to various 2166 01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:37,840 banks. There was an RFP unvest 2167 01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,080 came back their rate was at 4%. It was 2168 01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:42,560 about at least one point if not greater 2169 01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:43,760 than everyone else. 2170 01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:45,600 >> Mark said he'd be giving that if anybody 2171 01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:47,040 has any questions he'd be willing to 2172 01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:49,199 answer them tomorrow. 2173 01:22:49,199 --> 01:22:51,520 the implementation cost is super high 2174 01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:52,960 like is there 2175 01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:54,159 >> a reason for that 2176 01:22:54,159 --> 01:22:55,679 >> because we're already working with the 2177 01:22:55,679 --> 01:22:57,600 software already 2178 01:22:57,600 --> 01:22:59,360 my understanding for Mark so we're just 2179 01:22:59,360 --> 01:22:59,760 kind of 2180 01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:00,639 >> yeah no 2181 01:23:00,639 --> 01:23:02,719 >> stuck with that 2182 01:23:02,719 --> 01:23:05,679 >> there's well I mean it's a it's an 2183 01:23:05,679 --> 01:23:07,679 enterprise level software and it 2184 01:23:07,679 --> 01:23:11,440 includes not only the finance piece but 2185 01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:14,800 it also includes the tax pieces as well 2186 01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:17,520 >> but it's not a um 2187 01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:19,440 In the scope in the scope of work, there 2188 01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:21,199 were an estimated amount of hours that 2189 01:23:21,199 --> 01:23:22,159 were put in there. 2190 01:23:22,159 --> 01:23:23,600 >> So, it's based on hours. 2191 01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:27,750 >> Yeah. 2192 01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:29,840 » Okay. And appointments to and 2193 01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:31,760 reappoints. There are three appointments 2194 01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:34,880 up for um one is Linda Thomas, my wife 2195 01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,679 Pam, and Michelle Volcano Hall. They're 2196 01:23:37,679 --> 01:23:40,880 the three for zoning. And Bob McDonald, 2197 01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,360 who is back here in a black shirt, is 2198 01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:45,440 being appointed to the um planning 2199 01:23:45,440 --> 01:23:46,960 commission. Oh, good. 2200 01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:50,560 >> Congratulations. 2201 01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:51,360 >> All right. Mayor, 2202 01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:52,800 >> I have a question, mayor, on on the 2203 01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:56,639 zoning hearing board terms. Um, they all 2204 01:23:56,639 --> 01:23:59,199 expire on different years. I'm just 2205 01:23:59,199 --> 01:24:00,320 curious why that is. 2206 01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:01,760 >> The alternative, I think. 2207 01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:02,960 >> Yeah. They all 2208 01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,760 >> 2930. 2209 01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:07,440 >> It says that you 2210 01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:10,480 >> stagger all your votes 2211 01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:12,320 >> so you don't put all new board members 2212 01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:13,600 on at the same time. 2213 01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:14,639 >> Gotcha. 2214 01:24:14,639 --> 01:24:16,880 Mayor, I have a question um about the 2215 01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:19,520 zoning hearing board reappoint of one 2216 01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,960 member who um whose absentee record 2217 01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:24,960 seems to be pretty significant. 2218 01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:26,159 >> It is. 2219 01:24:26,159 --> 01:24:28,960 >> And so I I would like you to know that, 2220 01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:31,840 you know, I'd like to see a more active 2221 01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:32,719 um 2222 01:24:32,719 --> 01:24:36,080 >> commissioner on that board. 2223 01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:38,320 Mayor to that point when we passed the 2224 01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:39,920 attendance policy towards the end of 2225 01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:42,639 last year before the new council came on 2226 01:24:42,639 --> 01:24:44,960 >> we were applying that to the ABCs as 2227 01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:47,120 well right corre 2228 01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:48,239 so are we over 2229 01:24:48,239 --> 01:24:49,199 >> three per year 2230 01:24:49,199 --> 01:24:51,360 >> so are we generous I think 2231 01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:54,080 >> are we overseeing that to to so we know 2232 01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:56,320 who's in violation of the or okay 2233 01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:58,960 >> so do we have those numbers the 2234 01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:01,360 >> I don't I'd like to see that 2235 01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,199 >> so just for the new council 2236 01:25:03,199 --> 01:25:05,040 >> I don't think the zoning board has a 2237 01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:06,480 secretary 2238 01:25:06,480 --> 01:25:08,000 I think that's the problem. Planning 2239 01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,880 Commission has a secretary who goes to 2240 01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:13,600 every meeting. Uh I'll have to ask 2241 01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:15,520 Dwayne. Dwayne's at every zoning board 2242 01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:15,840 meeting 2243 01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:17,520 >> or we could ask a solicitor just to take 2244 01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:18,800 attendance. So for the new council 2245 01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:21,360 members, we passed a uh attendance 2246 01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:24,080 ordinance. Um a special person helped us 2247 01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:26,159 come up with that, gave us the reason. 2248 01:25:26,159 --> 01:25:29,920 So and and we put it so so uh every 2249 01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:32,320 after three attendances you could be, 2250 01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:34,000 you know, removed from the ABCs, not 2251 01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:35,520 from council obviously. And at the end 2252 01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,800 of the year, council announces Karen 2253 01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:40,320 announces what council members how many 2254 01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:41,840 meetings they miss throughout the year 2255 01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:45,360 and kind of like uh uh embarrassment 2256 01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:46,960 almost if you miss a whole lot of 2257 01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:49,440 meetings, unexcused meetings. So, if we 2258 01:25:49,440 --> 01:25:50,960 can start getting to make sure that the 2259 01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:53,360 ABCs are taking attendance, that way 2260 01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:57,280 it's it's easier to honor the ordinance. 2261 01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:57,840 >> Okay. 2262 01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:01,840 >> Well, I mean, can we are we voting on 2263 01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:04,639 these as a whole or can we make 2264 01:26:04,639 --> 01:26:06,159 individually. Individually, you can 2265 01:26:06,159 --> 01:26:06,719 vote. 2266 01:26:06,719 --> 01:26:08,880 >> No, you can vote in 2267 01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:10,639 >> saying if there was if they had three 2268 01:26:10,639 --> 01:26:12,400 absences, then they're gone. 2269 01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:12,800 >> Yes, 2270 01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:14,480 >> we have the right to say you're you're 2271 01:26:14,480 --> 01:26:15,120 gone. You're getting 2272 01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:17,840 >> The problem is zoning board is really 2273 01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,159 critical because it's a quasi judicial 2274 01:26:20,159 --> 01:26:23,360 board and if there's only four there, 2275 01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:26,000 which most of the time there are, it 2276 01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,800 becomes a two two tie, they get they're 2277 01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:30,880 guaranteed approval. 2278 01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:32,000 denial rather 2279 01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,320 >> at times at at times we haven't even had 2280 01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:35,360 a quorum 2281 01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:36,159 >> I know 2282 01:26:36,159 --> 01:26:38,239 >> which is a big problem 2283 01:26:38,239 --> 01:26:39,840 >> so the reappoints will be 2284 01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:40,880 >> well the only time you didn't have a 2285 01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:43,920 corum was when my wife and I were away 2286 01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:44,719 >> whatever 2287 01:26:44,719 --> 01:26:46,480 >> I mean that was a planned absence there 2288 01:26:46,480 --> 01:26:47,920 were so many other people missing that 2289 01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:51,920 Mikeella had to run the meeting 2290 01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:52,800 I remember 2291 01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,440 >> with agreement from all parties involved 2292 01:26:55,440 --> 01:26:57,360 >> yeah well if anybody has any suggestions 2293 01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:58,800 for who they want to put on the boards 2294 01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:00,320 I'm having a hard time because people 2295 01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:01,679 don't want them to serve on the boards 2296 01:27:01,679 --> 01:27:03,199 anymore. 2297 01:27:03,199 --> 01:27:04,639 Used to be an honor to serve on the 2298 01:27:04,639 --> 01:27:05,840 board. Now 2299 01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:08,239 >> they don't want to. 2300 01:27:08,239 --> 01:27:11,280 They don't give the time. 2301 01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:13,440 >> Well, thank you, Rob. 2302 01:27:13,440 --> 01:27:14,320 >> We'll see you tomorrow. 2303 01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:16,320 >> Thank you. 2304 01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:18,239 >> Mayor. Um, do you want to have an an 2305 01:27:18,239 --> 01:27:19,040 executive session? 2306 01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:20,400 >> Tomorrow. I'm just going to announce it. 2307 01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:21,920 Tomorrow's executive session will start 2308 01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:23,840 at 5:40. 2309 01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:26,400 >> No, we we should start at 5:30. 2310 01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:26,800 >> Yeah. 2311 01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:28,080 >> All right. 5:30. 2312 01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:29,199 >> Perfect. 2313 01:27:29,199 --> 01:27:31,520 Mayor, I make a motion to adjurnn. 2314 01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:32,000 >> Second, 2315 01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:32,639 >> third. 2316 01:27:32,639 --> 01:27:34,239 >> Moved and seconded. All in favor? 2317 01:27:34,239 --> 01:27:36,800 >> I 2318 01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:43,910 have enough. 2319 01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:55,430 responsive, 2320 01:27:55,440 --> 01:28:09,270 » right? Which means it's not 2321 01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:10,960 » afraid. I'm afraid to go there because I 2322 01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:21,430 might You know what? 2323 01:28:21,440 --> 01:28:35,110 » It doesn't have to be 2324 01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:39,189 » correct. 2325 01:28:39,199 --> 01:28:42,870 Yeah. Yeah. 2326 01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:45,600 and see if we need to do a regular 2327 01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:54,149 Thank you. Good to see you. Sure, 2328 01:28:54,159 --> 01:28:57,159 » Julie.