[0:10] >> [GAVEL]
[0:11] >> I call to order the City
[0:13] Council meeting of March 17,
[0:15] 2025. Roll call.
[0:17] >> [CALLING ROLL]
[0:29] >> Please stand for the Pledge
[0:31] of Allegiance.
[0:34] >>I pledge allegiance to the
[0:36] Flag of the United States of
[0:38] America and to the Republic for
[0:40] which it stands, one Nation
[0:42] under God, indivisible, with
[0:44] liberty and justice for all.
[0:47] >> Please remain standing
[0:56] for a moment of silence. Item
[0:57] two, Approval or changes or
[0:59] modifications to the agenda,
[1:01] seeing none at this time. Item
[1:03] 3, Approval of the minutes.
[1:05] Seeing none at this time. Item
[1:08] 4, presentation, proclamations,
[1:09] plaque certificates,
[1:11] or any donations. Seeing none
[1:13] at this time. Item 5,
[1:15] Citizens Comments. This is a
[1:17] time for the public
[1:18] to come forward
[1:19] with any concern,
[1:20] concerns and comments they may
[1:22] have. Please make your comment.
[1:23] If it is related
[1:24] to an agenda matter. The time
[1:26] that that matter is
[1:28] before the council. Please
[1:29] limit your comments
[1:30] to three minutes or less.
[1:31] Please state your name and
[1:33] address.
[1:38] >> Yes, I'm first and I'm
[1:41] short. Can you hear me? Okay.
[1:43] My name's Beverly Palmer, and
[1:45] I'm here to represent
[1:47] Edgewater Union Church. If you
[1:49] don't know, it happens
[1:51] to be the oldest church in
[1:53] Edgewater. It's built next
[1:55] to the cemetery on Route 1.
[1:59] And I'm here to invite the
[2:00] council and anyone who would
[2:02] love to come. We're having a
[2:04] birthday cookout on April 12,
[2:06] the anniversary
[2:07] of our church starting 113
[2:11] years ago. So that's all. I've
[2:13] already put in
[2:14] for a proclamation, hoping that
[2:16] the bear can come and anyone
[2:18] who would love to come.
[2:20] Anyone. So, it's going
[2:21] to be advertised more,
[2:23] but I'm here
[2:24] to hand you invitations.
[2:25] >> Well, thank you so much. If
[2:26] you could please hand us the
[2:27] invitations, but also please
[2:29] send the information
[2:30] to the city clerk to put it
[2:31] on our calendars as well,
[2:33] please. Thank you.
[2:37] >> If she would just give me
[2:38] the invites, I'll make sure you
[2:40] all get them. If you just give
[2:41] me the invites, I'll make sure
[2:42] that they get them.
[2:43] >> Thank you so much. Thank you
[2:46] for all you do. It really is a
[2:48] lovely church and a lovely
[2:50] organization.
[2:54] >> I'll be there.
[2:56] >> Thank you very much.
[3:00] >> You're welcome.
[3:16] >> I'm not sure how I can
[3:19] compete with that. Thank you.
[3:21] So my name is Dan Knight. 2290
[3:24] Elegant Manor. Circle
[3:27] Reference, Ordinance 2025 O06.
[3:31] Specifically that ordinance you
[3:32] guys are.
[3:35] >> If that is on the agenda,
[3:36] could you please write
[3:38] before the matter is
[3:40] before the council?
[3:41] >> Yeah, that's okay. No,
[3:43] Problem. We just request that
[3:44] you comment if the matter is
[3:46] coming before the council. If
[3:47] it's on the agenda,
[3:49] so do it then
[3:50] during the public hearing.
[3:52] Thank you.
[4:08] >> Edgewater. Chuck Martin,
[4:10] 205 Cherry Wood Lane,
[4:12] Edgewater. Proud
[4:16] to announce that I've applied
[4:18] for the city manager position
[4:19] in the city of Edgewater. I
[4:24] feel that my 42 going on 43
[4:26] years of experience
[4:29] in public works, solid waste,
[4:31] hazardous waste operations,
[4:33] fighting brush fires
[4:36] with the county and just being
[4:39] in the construction field and
[4:41] managing, you know,
[4:42] jobs and positions and stuff
[4:45] like that, being around here
[4:52] forever qualifies me. So I met
[4:54] the qualifications to apply, I
[4:55] applied,
[4:57] it was accepted and it's
[5:01] under review. And I feel
[5:03] like if it gets
[5:05] to where it needs to go that I
[5:07] would hope that I would have
[5:10] the votes on the council
[5:11] to move forward
[5:17] with this position. Then I
[5:21] would be working for you guys
[5:23] and I think that would be
[5:38] great. Did have one other
[5:43] comment because I've had a lot
[5:44] of people talking to me about
[5:46] it and I thought I would ask
[5:47] maybe we could get some
[5:48] clarification
[5:51] from if the mayor would ask
[5:53] Mr. Wolf, give some
[5:55] clarification on the use
[5:57] of city vehicles
[6:00] on personal time. I think, you
[6:01] know, some of it's loud
[6:03] like you know, on Mr.
[6:05] Thurman, you know, he drives
[6:07] out vehicle but that's. He's
[6:09] allowed to do that,
[6:10] so I'm sure he's able
[6:13] to do that. But as far as
[6:14] cities employees using city
[6:16] vehicles for personal use
[6:17] on personal time, I kind
[6:18] of wonder how that would work
[6:20] with our insurance and is that
[6:22] allowed? Maybe our HR director
[6:25] can answer that. I just kind
[6:27] of want some clarification
[6:29] on that.
[6:32] >> Thank you, sir,
[6:34] for your comments. We'll make
[6:37] sure to get that answered
[6:38] for you.
[6:39] >> Well, is that something that
[6:40] maybe they could answer now or
[6:41] typically this is.
[6:43] >> Your time to address the
[6:44] council and typically you can
[6:46] talk to the directors and
[6:48] City Manager and council.
[6:51] >> Of course,
[6:53] after the meeting.
[6:55] >> Could maybe somebody send me
[6:56] an email
[6:58] with that that can also.
[7:00] Okay, I'd like
[7:01] to have an email.
[7:02] >> And they've got my emails.
[7:04] Thank you.
[7:05] >> Thank you, sir,
[7:06] for your comments. It's
[7:08] appreciated.
[7:17] >> Jim Lovegren, 182 Jones
[7:19] Fish Camp Road. First I want
[7:21] to start off, I want to thank
[7:23] Ron, Ryan Solstice and the
[7:24] staff for holding the community
[7:26] workshops that they've been
[7:27] holding
[7:28] for the last two months. Been
[7:34] very informative and I think
[7:37] very thoughtful and considerate
[7:38] for the community
[7:39] to learn something
[7:40] about zoning and so forth.
[7:41] It's been excellent. So my.
[7:42] Thanks. Ryan. I want to bring
[7:44] up an issue here that many
[7:46] of the homeowners in
[7:47] Riverfront Estates are now
[7:48] experiencing, and that is
[7:49] shoddy construction. We're
[7:52] watching as houses, and they're
[7:55] just finishing up the last
[7:56] couple here, but they're
[7:58] pouring concrete slabs and they
[7:59] are putting up brick walls
[8:01] three or four days
[8:02] after the slab is poured, which
[8:04] is not giving the concrete
[8:06] enough time to cure.
[8:07] Consequently, within months,
[8:09] we're seeing cracks
[8:11] in our walls. I have
[8:13] at least eight in mind, and
[8:15] at least three
[8:17] of them are step cracks,
[8:18] which are generally a sign of
[8:20] foundation shifting. I don't
[8:22] know whether they're
[8:24] compressing the dirt
[8:26] before they do anything either.
[8:27] You know, I mean, what's going
[8:29] on here? But there's certainly
[8:30] shoddy construction, and I
[8:32] don't know how a building
[8:33] inspector could let this go by.
[8:35] We've seen no curing
[8:37] of the concrete with water
[8:39] over the next couple of days
[8:41] of pouring it. One of my
[8:42] neighbors told me that they ran
[8:44] into the person that was or one
[8:46] of the people that was pouring
[8:47] the concrete and that they're
[8:49] watering the concrete
[8:50] down so that it's easier
[8:52] to spread. That weakens the
[8:53] concrete and requires a longer
[8:56] curing time. So we got a really
[8:58] serious situation here where
[9:00] our houses are not what they
[9:02] were supposed to be because
[9:04] of shoddy construction. So I
[9:06] don't know, really. It needs
[9:09] to be looked into. It's just
[9:11] not a good thing. It's not a
[9:12] good thing.
[9:17] >> Thank you, sir, for. Do you
[9:18] have anything else?
[9:20] >> Yes I also
[9:23] want to bring in to the issue
[9:25] the gopher tortoise situation
[9:27] on River Oaks,
[9:28] on that property lot there,
[9:30] I ran into two months ago.
[9:31] And Charlotte, you were
[9:33] over there with your husband.
[9:34] You. We counted 50 boroughs,
[9:36] right? There was an
[9:37] environmental consultant there
[9:39] within a month after that,
[9:41] and she counted 80 burrows.
[9:43] Now, she told me,
[9:45] because I went and talked to
[9:46] her and she told me there that
[9:48] there was a previous inspection
[9:51] done here
[9:52] within the last two years,
[9:54] and they counted seven. How do
[9:56] you miss that many gopher
[9:58] tortoises? You don't. Unless
[9:59] there is a financial incentive,
[10:01] obviously, to miss those
[10:02] turtles because it costs a lot
[10:04] of money to remove them and
[10:05] relocate them. So you add that
[10:08] into the Riverfront Estates
[10:11] lot, which I am told
[10:12] by a long time resident there,
[10:14] that that place had just as
[10:15] many tortoise tortoises
[10:18] in it. They relocated
[10:19] eight or nine.
[10:22] >> Thank you, sir,
[10:24] for your comments. It's truly
[10:25] appreciated.
[10:26] >> Could you please fill A
[10:28] contact card out in the back.
[10:29] Would love
[10:30] to get your phone number.
[10:31] >> Thank you.
[10:39] >> Okay. Item six,
[10:40] council reports. Councilwoman
[10:44] Dolbow, I have nothing
[10:46] at this time. Councilwoman
[10:49] Gillis, I have nothing at this
[10:51] time. I also have nothing
[10:53] at this time. Item seven,
[10:54] consent agenda. Is there a
[10:55] motion to approve the consent
[10:56] agenda? I would like
[10:58] to pull an item
[11:00] for discussion. Which item is
[11:02] that to pull? Item 7B.
[11:05] >> Okay. I'd also like to pull
[11:07] 7A and just so it could be
[11:08] explained. It's a great.
[11:11] It's. It's a great. It's a
[11:13] great thing that we're doing.
[11:16] And I just want to get on the
[11:18] record so that the residents
[11:20] know what the city is doing as
[11:22] far as the lining.
[11:23] >> Great. Is there a motion to
[11:24] approve the consent agenda
[11:25] minus item 7A and 7B?
[11:27] >> Make a motion to approve the
[11:28] consent agenda minus A and B.
[11:31] >> Second
[11:33] >> Roll call.
[11:38] >> [CALLING ROLL]
[11:44] >> Item 7A, CD BG sewer lining
[11:47] project engineering staff,
[11:48] could you give us an update
[11:49] on that, please?
[11:52] >> Dan, would you address that,
[11:54] please?
[12:01] >> This, the sewer lining is a
[12:03] CDBG grant that we're moving
[12:06] forward with. We have Jeffrey
[12:08] Winters here tonight to talk
[12:12] on that a little bit. We'll be
[12:14] doing approximately,
[12:18] I think. I think it's 78
[12:20] manholes and lining sewers
[12:23] from the booster station or
[12:31] Park Avenue booster station
[12:32] south
[12:35] about four blocks towards the.
[12:37] Towards one. They'll be coming
[12:43] in. This is a $50,000 match
[12:45] on a grant that is roughly
[12:51] $750,000. So it's a low income
[12:56] area. It's an area that we see
[12:58] a lot of infiltration,
[13:00] influx and infiltration,
[13:02] or ini. It's really going
[13:04] to help out the water plant as
[13:06] well as all of the citizens
[13:09] in that area.
[13:13] >> Great. Thank you. Any
[13:14] comments? Is there a motion
[13:17] to approve item 7A
[13:19] of the consent agenda?
[13:21] >> Make a motion to approve 7A
[13:23] of the agenda, the CDBG sewer
[13:24] lining project and engineering.
[13:25] >> Second
[13:29] >> Roll call. Mayor DePew, this
[13:32] is a tremendous thing. I'm glad
[13:33] we're moving forward with this.
[13:37] >> [CALLING ROLL]
[13:41] >> Okay. Item 7B, purchase
[13:42] of meters,
[13:44] pipe fittings and other for the
[13:46] water and wastewater operations
[13:47] and management staff report.
[13:50] >> Dan, would you also address
[13:51] this?
[13:54] >> This is just our standard
[13:58] items that we use throughout
[14:00] the year. It's a blanket
[14:01] purchase or. Yeah, blanket
[14:03] purchase order with two
[14:05] of the contractors. Things that
[14:10] you would see in our inventory
[14:12] throughout and used throughout
[14:14] the year.
[14:19] >> Great. Council comments.
[14:21] >> I guess my concern is I
[14:23] brought it up a couple times
[14:24] that there's been residents'
[14:25] concerns
[14:26] about the meters themselves.
[14:28] So, I and I've brought up
[14:29] having those looked into in the
[14:30] future and you said we would
[14:31] talk about that later. I guess
[14:33] my concern is just green
[14:35] lighting, purchasing more
[14:36] of them. If I'm concerned that
[14:40] there is an issue with some
[14:41] of them.
[14:42] >> These aren't strictly
[14:44] meters. It's also pipes,
[14:45] saddles, different connections
[14:46] for our water and wastewater
[14:50] field operations and wastewater
[14:53] collections groups.
[14:59] >> I will say that I brought
[15:01] this up, I believe at the last
[15:04] council meeting. I have had
[15:06] some residents concerns come
[15:09] forward also as Ms. Gillis and
[15:11] I'm sure Councilman Dolbow's
[15:13] heard before about the meters.
[15:15] I'm not saying that every meter
[15:18] is bad or the brand that we're
[15:20] using is faulty, but I would
[15:21] like to just workshop our
[15:23] utility bill like we discussed
[15:24] at the last meeting
[15:26] to move forward
[15:28] with that as well. Just stating
[15:29] that for the record that there
[15:30] has been concerns brought
[15:32] forward about the meters, but
[15:34] this is involving others as
[15:35] well.
[15:38] >> I am going to recommend a
[15:40] workshop tremendous. And any
[15:44] specific address and citizen
[15:48] customer. We will fully
[15:52] investigate it and come down
[15:55] to the what is the cause,
[15:57] whether it be usage,
[15:58] whether it be a leak
[16:00] behind the meter. Those are the
[16:01] only two options because of the
[16:04] type meter that we're using.
[16:06] It's a pass through, it's not a
[16:08] mechanical. I don't want
[16:10] to get into the gory details
[16:12] but it's a pass through,
[16:13] not a mechanical. So there's
[16:15] not a mechanical something
[16:16] to wear out. But we will if,
[16:18] if we get an address and a
[16:20] name, we will investigate every
[16:22] single last concern.
[16:31] >> Awesome. If you had a guess,
[16:33] just an estimation. How many
[16:35] meters is this approving
[16:36] to purchase for the year?
[16:37] >> This is just a blankets so
[16:39] it could be fittings,
[16:41] it could be meters,
[16:43] anything that they need to
[16:44] to do their job
[16:46] in the field.
[16:49] >> Gotcha. Thank you.
[16:51] >> Thank you.
[16:52] >> But the majority of this is
[16:53] for everything else. And this
[16:55] is not like green lighting a
[16:56] very large amount of meters.
[16:57] Correct?
[16:59] >> Correct.
[17:00] >> Correct.
[17:01] >> Okay. Is there a motion
[17:03] to approve item 7B of the
[17:04] Consent agenda?
[17:05] >> Make a motion
[17:07] to approve set agenda item B,
[17:10] purchase of meters, pipes,
[17:12] fittings and other aquatics for
[17:14] water and wastewater operations
[17:15] and maintenance.
[17:18] >> I'll second it.
[17:19] But I just,
[17:21] I do want that addressed in at
[17:23] a future time. I know business
[17:24] needs to go forward as far as
[17:25] everything else.
[17:27] >> Please call the roll.
[17:29] >> [CALLING ROLL]
[17:34] >> Item eight, Public hearing
[17:35] Ordinances and resolutions.
[17:36] Item eight, a Public notice
[17:38] in household income
[17:39] Verification survey. Florida
[17:41] Small Cities Community
[17:42] Development Block Grant CDBG
[17:45] Program Staff report and
[17:46] Presentation.
[17:51] >> We're very excited
[17:53] to maybe take advantage
[17:55] of another opportunity
[17:56] through the Florida Commerce
[17:58] for a $750,000 grant from
[18:00] Florida Small Cities
[18:01] Community Development Block
[18:04] Grant CDBG program. Looking to
[18:07] do some additional sewer lining
[18:08] and for areas of low income or
[18:10] identified low income and
[18:12] really looking forward
[18:13] to participating,
[18:15] potentially taking advantage
[18:17] of this opportunity. And we do
[18:19] have a presentation.
[18:21] >> My name is Jeffrey Winter
[18:22] with Cornerstone Community
[18:24] Partners. It's an honor
[18:26] to appear
[18:32] before you all this evening.
[18:37] Just to reiterate what we're
[18:41] here today is
[18:42] for the first public hearing
[18:44] for a prospective application
[18:45] to the FFY 2324 C CDBG program.
[18:48] The first public hearing. The
[18:51] purpose is to make the public
[18:52] aware that the city is
[18:53] interested in applying
[18:54] to the program,
[18:56] to briefly explain the types
[18:58] of categories of funding
[18:59] in which a city could apply,
[19:01] and then to open the floor
[19:02] for public comments
[19:04] on prospective projects. To
[19:06] briefly cover the four
[19:07] categories
[19:08] for this CDBG program, the
[19:10] first category is commercial
[19:12] revitalization. Typical
[19:13] projects funded through the
[19:15] commercial revitalization
[19:16] category include facilities
[19:17] facade improvements and
[19:18] streetscape improvements to a
[19:20] designated downtown district.
[19:21] Second category would be the
[19:23] economic development category.
[19:24] This makes funding available
[19:25] for communities to provide
[19:27] infrastructure improvements
[19:28] in support of a business to
[19:30] either create or retain jobs.
[19:31] Third category would be the
[19:33] neighborhood revitalization.
[19:34] That is the same category
[19:37] of funding in which the sewer
[19:39] lining re project is currently
[19:43] funded. It covers
[19:46] infrastructure improvements
[19:48] throughout the city, with the
[19:49] fourth category being the
[19:51] housing rehabilitation category
[19:52] where in that category funding
[19:53] is made available
[19:55] to rehabilitate, in some cases
[19:57] demolish and reconstruct homes
[19:58] for low to moderate income
[20:00] persons throughout the
[20:02] community. That being said,
[20:03] I'd be happy
[20:05] to turn the floor back over
[20:06] to solicit public comment.
[20:08] >> Thank you, sir. We
[20:09] appreciate you open a public
[20:11] hearing. Citizens Comments
[20:13] Council comments I think it's
[20:19] great.
[20:21] >> $750,000 is the grant. Will
[20:23] it be any kind of a match
[20:26] for this cycle alone? They've
[20:28] waived the $750,000 maximum.
[20:29] There is no cap
[20:31] on the funding. We've had city
[20:33] staff propose some projects
[20:34] that are being considered
[20:35] around the tune of around 1.5
[20:38] million in terms of matching.
[20:39] It's not mandatory. However, we
[20:41] do anticipate it will be a
[20:42] competitive cycle. So we would
[20:44] encourage the commitment of
[20:45] $50,000 in leverage
[20:47] to go towards this.
[20:48] >> Project and we've identified
[20:50] that. I'm sorry Dan, would you
[21:01] update us on where they this
[21:04] potential projects are
[21:07] for this grant?
[21:14] >> We're looking at some 2 inch
[21:16] galvanized line replacement
[21:18] on the northwest portion
[21:20] of the city there. Our goal is
[21:23] to eliminate all of the 2 inch
[21:27] galvanized. That's a lot
[21:29] of our rust, a lot
[21:31] of our worst lines,
[21:32] worst areas. On top
[21:36] of that we're also looking
[21:39] at eliminating some of the
[21:42] original air relief valves
[21:44] for the wastewater system.
[21:45] Basically an ARV you have
[21:47] to get rid of air. You have
[21:50] pockets
[21:53] of air which causes pressure,
[21:56] which causes your pumps and.
[21:57] And things not
[21:59] to flow as easy. So you have
[22:01] to bleed off the gases,
[22:02] the air. And we have 13 ARVs
[22:05] that are original to the system
[22:08] that have the potential if
[22:10] anything were to happen
[22:13] to them it would take a lot of.
[22:16] We'd have a lot of downtime and
[22:17] emergency repairs. And so we're
[22:20] looking
[22:22] at identifying them and,
[22:23] and any other ARVs. Also
[22:25] looking
[22:26] at some plant equipment,
[22:28] possibly just looking around
[22:29] to be to make sure we use the
[22:31] CDBG funding as efficient as
[22:38] possible.
[22:42] >> Thank you, Dan.
[22:43] >> The one thing
[22:45] about this one though, it has
[22:46] to be pretty much designed
[22:48] already. We would go further
[22:50] with a lot more galvanized
[22:54] replacement.
[22:55] But it's something you've got
[22:57] to have engineering and bidding
[22:58] or estimates done and ready.
[23:01] So we can only do so much
[23:03] in that area this time.
[23:05] >> Thank you Dan.
[23:08] >> Well, I want to thank staff
[23:11] for seeing this opportunity and
[23:12] pouncing on this so quickly.
[23:17] Any kind of grant opportunities
[23:19] and state appropriations that
[23:21] we can find is always a
[23:22] tremendous thing. I want
[23:24] to thank our grant writer.
[23:26] We're at over $30 million
[23:28] of funding in grants alone. So
[23:29] she's doing a tremendous job,
[23:31] tremendous department. I'm glad
[23:33] that the council has supported
[23:34] that department or that part of
[23:37] our city and getting a part
[23:40] time clerkship will help us
[23:42] with more funding. So this is a
[23:43] tremendous opportunity
[23:45] to bring back some funding
[23:47] to the city
[23:49] for separate areas, any kind
[23:52] of watershed. This will help
[23:54] tremendously. So appreciate
[23:55] staff and all you have done
[23:57] to pounce
[23:59] on this opportunity. Any
[24:01] further comments? Is there a
[24:03] motion to approve?
[24:05] >> Make a motion to approve
[24:07] public notice and household
[24:08] income verification survey
[24:11] Florida Small Cities
[24:13] Community Development Block
[24:14] Grant.
[24:16] >> Do we want to take public
[24:17] comment?
[24:20] >> There was not.
[24:21] >> Second.
[24:23] >> Okay, roll call.
[24:26] >> [CALLING ROLL]
[24:31] >> Okay. Item 8B,
[24:33] second reading ordinance number
[24:35] 2025 dash O05, request
[24:37] for approval for amendments,
[24:39] Article 3, Article 6 and
[24:40] Article 20 of the Land
[24:42] Development Code. Please read
[24:43] into the record OR in.
[24:45] >> Summer 2025005 and
[24:47] Ordinance of the City of
[24:48] Edgewater, Florida, amending
[24:49] Article 3, permitted
[24:50] conditional accessory and
[24:52] prohibited uses. Article 6
[24:53] Sign Regulations, Article 20
[24:54] Ridgewood Avenue Quarter
[24:56] Design Regulations of Chapter
[24:57] 21, Land Development Code
[24:59] providing
[25:01] for conflicting provision,
[25:02] severability and applicability
[25:03] providing for an effective date
[25:04] adoption and codification.
[25:05] >> Thank you. Staff report.
[25:06] >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. This
[25:07] is a second reading. There have
[25:08] been no text amendments change
[25:09] done
[25:11] between the first and second.
[25:12] Just to recap, this is changes
[25:13] to Article 3, Article 6 and
[25:14] Article 20 of the Land
[25:16] Development Code to allow for
[25:17] feather flags and the
[25:19] freestanding banner sign per
[25:21] business tax receipt in their
[25:22] respective zoning districts.
[25:24] Be happy
[25:25] to answer any questions.
[25:27] >> And let me just say, since
[25:28] there's only three members
[25:30] present tonight, the city
[25:31] charter requires three votes to
[25:33] pass an ordinance or
[25:34] resolution. So your votes to
[25:36] pass the ordinances and
[25:37] resolutions
[25:38] on the agenda only will need
[25:40] to be unanimous tonight.
[25:42] >> Thank you. Okay. Open a
[25:43] public hearing. Citizens
[25:47] Comments.
[25:50] >> Council comments Ryan, I do
[25:51] have a couple questions. Do we
[25:52] have a restriction on how many
[25:54] flags and banners if it passes,
[25:56] can be for example
[25:58] in a plaza, say there's 20
[25:59] stores.
[26:03] >> No. So you're allowed one
[26:04] per business per each
[26:06] of the types of these type
[26:07] of temporary signs. They follow
[26:10] the same regulations. You have
[26:11] to bring it in when you're not
[26:13] in hours operation. But no,
[26:14] there's no beyond those hours
[26:18] of operation. There's not a
[26:20] spacing requirement or anything
[26:21] of that nature.
[26:24] >> Okay, that's, that's kind
[26:25] of where I have the problem,
[26:26] especially
[26:27] with the banners. I went
[26:28] down US one and just
[26:29] for the bike week
[26:31] on the right hand side in US
[26:32] 1, there was three banners kind
[26:33] of just weirdly stuck in a,
[26:34] in a, in a spot and,
[26:36] and it didn't look very good.
[26:38] Just
[26:39] with poles. I'm thinking, oh,
[26:41] gosh, I can't imagine, you
[26:43] know, having multiple
[26:44] businesses, especially
[26:45] in a plaza, you know, having
[26:46] the feather flags and then
[26:47] having these,
[26:49] these banners and going down
[26:51] 50, if you're going 55 or
[26:52] whatever,
[26:53] the speed limit might be 45.
[26:55] You know,
[26:56] how are the residents going
[26:57] to be able to read all these
[26:58] banners and all these specials
[27:00] and see the feather flag that
[27:01] might say coffee or donuts or
[27:02] whatever? I don't know if it's
[27:03] even going
[27:04] to be a distraction. I'm just,
[27:06] I'm so for the feather flags.
[27:08] I'm not so much
[27:09] for the banners. And I just
[27:10] wanted to point that out. I
[27:11] just think it's going
[27:13] to be a cluster. If even half
[27:14] of the businesses
[27:15] in a strip mall decide
[27:16] to take advantage of the
[27:18] feather flag and the banner,
[27:19] I think it's going to lose,
[27:20] it's going to lose its power
[27:22] because we're not, you know,
[27:23] we're not going to be able to
[27:25] read everything as we're going
[27:27] down the road. So that's my,
[27:28] that's my concern
[27:29] with the banners.
[27:31] >> We've talked
[27:33] about this now three times,
[27:34] gave updated,
[27:35] gave a recommendation
[27:36] at the council workshop. We've
[27:38] had our first reading. I think
[27:39] we've. So I'll talk about that
[27:41] as concerns moving forward.
[27:43] But I guess my comment
[27:45] to that is, you know,
[27:49] they clearly were not in code.
[27:52] I think that not every business
[27:54] is going to, just because
[27:57] there's an ordinance
[27:58] out there, choose to follow
[27:59] that ordinance. I don't think
[28:02] that everyone can. Is
[28:04] necessarily going to do it all
[28:06] at the same, same time. I,
[28:07] I just don't think it's,
[28:09] everyone's going to do it
[28:11] at the same time. I, I think
[28:13] that they should still have the
[28:15] opportunity. Maybe I'll,
[28:16] I'll counter with you. Or if
[28:18] there's more than 15 units in,
[28:22] in one plaza,
[28:25] that they have the option
[28:26] of one or the other. But I, I
[28:29] don't, I don't, I don't think
[28:31] that everybody is going
[28:32] to utilize this ordinance.
[28:35] >> And, and you might be right.
[28:36] I'm just, I wanted
[28:38] to put the what if? Because
[28:40] once it's passed, it's going
[28:41] to, it's going to, we'll need
[28:43] another code enforcement person
[28:44] just to enforce all the, all
[28:45] the banners that are sideways.
[28:46] And I don't know, I just, I
[28:47] just, I just don't know that
[28:49] having the banners and the
[28:51] flags is what we need maybe.
[28:52] And, or like you said, if
[28:54] there's, if there's. Even so if
[28:55] we have, you know, 20
[28:57] businesses and even if 12
[28:58] decide they want
[29:00] to do the banners, I don't,
[29:01] just don't know if people are
[29:02] going to, if it's going
[29:04] to do get the bang
[29:05] for the buck. Because if people
[29:07] aren't going to be able
[29:08] to read, you know,
[29:09] everything that might be
[29:11] on a banner, a flag, it's fun,
[29:12] you know,
[29:13] it can say coffee or waffles
[29:15] or, you know, whatever,
[29:16] and people are going
[29:18] to understand that. And you
[29:19] could probably have, you know,
[29:21] 12 flags flying and it wouldn't
[29:22] be as much of a distraction, I
[29:24] think, as the big banners. And
[29:25] when I saw the banners during
[29:27] Bike Week, I thought
[29:29] to myself, I said, oh gosh,
[29:30] that's gonna look terrible if
[29:32] we have half
[29:33] of the people take advantage
[29:35] of it. They were just two
[29:36] by four stuck in the ground.
[29:38] Nothing. It didn't look nice.
[29:39] It wasn't appealing.
[29:41] >> Well, we didn't have the
[29:42] ordinance enacted.
[29:43] >> Yes, they just did it.
[29:45] But what is going to stop
[29:46] someone once we pass this
[29:48] ordinance if it passes for
[29:49] Booth? Well, I'm just doing
[29:50] that.
[29:51] >> There's an ordinance
[29:52] written. So that would,
[29:53] that would have a code
[29:55] to be enforced. Not just that
[29:56] you can't have it. So I mean,
[29:58] there would be rules and
[30:00] regulations written
[30:01] in stone.
[30:02] >> Like the poles would be
[30:04] painted or a certain size. I
[30:05] mean, I don't know, just it was
[30:06] thrown together quickly. And
[30:07] you're right, it was. The code
[30:08] wasn't. Or the ordinance wasn't
[30:09] passed yet they were doing it,
[30:11] which is fine. But I just,
[30:12] I just looked at it, thought
[30:14] just it didn't look good. It
[30:16] wasn't appealing, it wasn't
[30:17] classy, but it just looked
[30:19] like it was just stuck out
[30:21] there and hopefully people will
[30:23] read it and come in. I don't
[30:24] know, I just. It wasn't.
[30:26] >> Well, how about, how about,
[30:29] how about the recommend? Was.
[30:31] Was it a homemade banner?
[30:33] >> No, the banner was not
[30:34] homemade. It was printed. It
[30:35] was like you get
[30:37] from a distributor, like, hey,
[30:38] I need beer or wine or whatever
[30:39] it might have said. So no,
[30:40] it wasn't like hand campaign.
[30:41] Okay.
[30:44] >> I think also what some
[30:45] of the people are putting out
[30:46] for Bike Week
[30:47] to last a week is not going
[30:48] to be the same thing. Other
[30:49] businesses are going
[30:50] to be putting
[30:51] out year long.
[30:52] >> But I guess What I'm going
[30:53] at is the look, not what the.
[30:55] With the. The banner said, you
[30:56] know,
[30:57] because it could say anything.
[30:58] It's just how it looks.
[30:59] >> So I guess my point was more
[31:00] so. I mean, bike week is more
[31:01] for somebody was like
[31:02] installing that temporarily and
[31:03] not as what they're using
[31:05] to advertise
[31:06] for their business
[31:07] on a regular basis. So maybe it
[31:08] was thrown
[31:09] out haphazardly.
[31:12] >> It was definitely, I guess
[31:14] how would we be able to. Or
[31:16] code enforcement had to say,
[31:17] and once they start sticking
[31:18] them up there, it's going
[31:20] to be a busy job.
[31:22] >> Well, they'd have
[31:23] to follow the ordinance. And I
[31:24] think our code enforcement
[31:26] officers do a good job
[31:27] at going around in the small
[31:30] businesses and making sure that
[31:31] every ordinance is inactive. I
[31:33] know five he went
[31:34] to this week and it's only.
[31:36] Well, actually today it's only
[31:37] Monday.
[31:39] >> Do you think there would be
[31:40] an issue
[31:41] with the banners taking them
[31:42] down every night? That's a lot
[31:43] of work. A flag you can pull
[31:44] out the ground and, you know,
[31:45] put it inside the bag.
[31:46] >> That's why I think not
[31:47] everyone's going
[31:49] to utilize it.
[31:53] >> So we did the pilot program
[31:55] before and it ran
[31:57] for a while. You know, this
[32:00] one, you could always schedule
[32:02] a workshop
[32:03] for a certain date. Right. And
[32:04] that way then it's
[32:06] on the books for a workshop.
[32:07] And then if there's issues
[32:09] at that time, then you can have
[32:11] the workshop and discuss it
[32:13] again.
[32:14] >> And then what we were saying
[32:16] is if this passes tonight and
[32:17] goes forward and then we start
[32:19] having issues and, you know,
[32:20] we're not happy
[32:22] with how the city looks going
[32:23] down us one, not
[32:24] like a circus. We could say,
[32:25] okay, we need to workshop this
[32:27] and maybe tweak it. And it's a
[32:28] possibility.
[32:29] >> Yeah. And it takes what's
[32:31] two meetings,
[32:32] two council meetings a month.
[32:33] Takes about two months
[32:34] to get an ordinance passed now,
[32:36] so before it was three
[32:38] to four. So, you know, it's a
[32:39] little bit quicker than it was
[32:41] the last time.
[32:42] >> Well, I'm willing,
[32:44] especially if we can go back if
[32:45] we're not happy
[32:46] with it. I just wanted to put
[32:47] out there that I wasn't
[32:49] comfortable with both flags and
[32:51] banners. I just thought one or
[32:52] the other would be great.
[32:53] But I, you know,
[32:54] having both sides
[32:55] of the street lined up
[32:57] with things, it could be
[32:59] distracting and the business
[33:00] might not get what they are
[33:01] wanting to get out of it.
[33:03] >> Do you have a number, and
[33:05] probably, Bridget, about
[33:07] approximately how many small
[33:09] businesses or businesses
[33:11] in general we have in the city
[33:12] of Edgewater
[33:13] on the commercial.
[33:14] >> Front, I want to say,
[33:18] I want to say 1200.
[33:20] >> 1200, yeah. That's
[33:21] businesses total or just
[33:23] on the commercial?
[33:24] >> That would be businesses
[33:26] total. In and
[33:28] around that number.
[33:31] >> Great. That's expanded
[33:33] since 2022. That's wonderful.
[33:36] And even last year.
[33:38] >> Okay. So are there any
[33:39] further comments or questions?
[33:45] >> I have one more question.
[33:48] So, would council be willing
[33:50] to get going on the flags,
[33:53] get that passed and then,
[33:54] and then visit the banners
[33:56] after like six months,
[33:57] see how the flags take
[34:00] off and see what it does? The
[34:02] businesses may be happy, you
[34:04] know, with the flags the way
[34:06] they are, and we can visit the
[34:07] banners another time.
[34:08] >> I just. Why don't we make
[34:09] the suggestion
[34:10] to take table then? Because I
[34:11] think that there's a couple
[34:13] questions, but I mean, I, I, I
[34:14] think that it should be left up
[34:15] to the business owner
[34:18] to decide. If you want to. I
[34:19] just think maybe we could table
[34:20] it
[34:22] for further discussion.
[34:24] >> Okay. And, and,
[34:26] or one or the other. I just,
[34:30] and then if it's a plaza, I
[34:31] don't know how we could put a
[34:32] limit. Like you said,
[34:33] most not going to be 20 units,
[34:35] 20 flags, 20 banners.
[34:36] >> But you have to keep
[34:38] in mind that the, the city is
[34:39] issuing the permits. So if we
[34:42] want to limit anything where we
[34:43] can workshop it as well.
[34:45] >> Would you be willing
[34:47] to move forward
[34:50] with it and then revisit it
[34:51] in so many months
[34:52] like we did the prior time
[34:53] to see how it looks?
[34:56] >> Yes, I would be good with
[34:57] that.
[34:58] >> I make a motion that we
[34:59] adopt. Hold on. I know. I got
[35:00] it. I'm going to make the
[35:02] suggestion that somebody makes
[35:05] a motion that we approve this
[35:07] ordinance with a workshop
[35:11] of a period of six months. Is
[35:14] there consensus for that?
[35:19] >> Yes.
[35:23] >> I make a motion to approve
[35:24] the second reading
[35:26] of ordinance number 222505 with
[35:27] the consensus that we will have
[35:31] a workshop in six months.
[35:35] >> Second
[35:36] >> Roll call.
[35:38] >> [CALLING ROLL]
[35:44] >> Item 8C, second reading
[35:48] order, summer 2025 06, request
[35:49] to amend the Florida Shores
[35:50] Drainage Basin building permit
[35:51] moratorium. Please read
[35:52] into the Record Ordinance
[35:53] Number.
[35:54] >> 2025 006, an ordinance
[35:55] of the City of Edgewater
[35:56] Amending Ordinance 2024063 to
[35:57] limit the temporary moratorium
[35:58] to building permits that
[35:59] increase the amount
[36:01] of fill dirt on parcels
[36:03] within the Florida short
[36:04] drainage basin for a period
[36:05] ending no later than January
[36:07] 5, 2026, unless rescinded or
[36:08] extended
[36:09] by a subsequent ordinance.
[36:10] Providing procedures
[36:12] for vested rights review for
[36:13] the specific matters addressed
[36:15] herein. Providing
[36:16] for conflicting ordinances,
[36:17] providing for severability,
[36:19] providing an effective date.
[36:20] >> Please Stand staff report
[36:22] thank you, Mr. Mayor. This is a
[36:23] second reading. This does have
[36:25] a text amendment change
[36:26] between the first and second
[36:28] City staff erred
[36:29] in the first submittal
[36:31] with the exclusion of pools
[36:35] which was added back in. So no
[36:37] pool shall be permitted was
[36:38] added into section 2 of the
[36:40] moratorium which is really the
[36:42] teeth of the moratorium
[36:44] in addition to no import
[36:48] of filter.
[36:50] >> Thank you, sir. Open a
[36:51] public hearing Citizens
[36:55] Comments.
[37:12] >> Agnes Witter 223 Flagler
[37:14] Avenue. I know you want to
[37:19] change the moratorium and just
[37:20] go to no fill being brought in
[37:24] from onto a property and using
[37:26] fill from the property.
[37:29] But even if you just use fill
[37:31] from the property,
[37:34] if you're taking from the back
[37:35] to raise the front and and you
[37:37] raise it up higher,
[37:41] it's still going to be a runoff
[37:42] problem because you're adding
[37:44] more buildings. So you're
[37:45] covering more
[37:47] of edgewater up,
[37:49] which is going to cause a
[37:51] little higher flooding level.
[37:56] And what you really should be
[37:59] doing is making a code now that
[38:03] takes into consideration what
[38:06] you're going to face in the
[38:08] future and can you afford more
[38:12] fixing of a flooding problem
[38:14] when you're going through all
[38:15] of this now, you've got to
[38:17] spend all this money now and
[38:20] there's no, there's no fun and
[38:21] there's no future and having
[38:22] to just look
[38:24] at more flooding fixtures
[38:25] in the future. Raise your
[38:26] houses 36 inches up
[38:27] above the center of the road.
[38:32] Put them on pillars or cement
[38:39] block foundations
[38:40] with openings for water flow
[38:43] to go through. You can also
[38:45] have permeable concrete
[38:49] for your patios, your porches,
[38:50] your outdoor porches,
[39:01] your dock areas or your,
[39:04] your pool decks, sidewalks,
[39:06] anything that doesn't carry a
[39:07] lot of weight,
[39:09] you can use your permeable
[39:11] cement, which will provide you
[39:12] better water distribution.
[39:15] There's a lot of things that
[39:16] you can do and not have
[39:18] to say, okay, we got
[39:20] to stop building because we got
[39:22] to look
[39:23] at this water problem and
[39:24] figure out what we're going
[39:26] to do with it. If you did
[39:27] something like this now
[39:30] to prevent more flooding for
[39:31] all your new buildings that
[39:33] you're going to be.
[39:35] >> Putting up your residential
[39:36] buildings and you won't have
[39:38] to worry about the future. So
[39:39] it's something to consider. If
[39:40] you put yourself
[39:42] into a place where you're going
[39:44] to look in the future to fixing
[39:46] more flooding problems,
[39:52] you're going to run out
[39:53] of money because we are going
[39:54] to run out
[39:55] of money and that's a problem.
[39:56] We don't want to have to pay
[39:57] for any more remediation
[39:58] of flooding problems. Low.
[40:00] Let's take the steps right now
[40:01] to do it the right way. Thank
[40:03] you.
[40:05] >> Thank you for your comments
[40:07] and suggestions. It's
[40:08] appreciated.
[40:15] >> Chuck Martin 205 Cherry
[40:17] Wood Lane, Edgewater this funny
[40:21] thing is this all brings back
[40:23] memories from a while back, I
[40:26] think another subdivision was
[40:29] going in off of Air Park Road
[40:30] and the only question I had was
[40:32] are you going
[40:34] to hold your own water? And
[40:35] then one of the engineers or
[40:37] somebody got up and said
[40:39] something real fast. Oh yeah,
[40:40] we've met all her whatever.
[40:42] And then there's actually a
[40:43] video put out of water running
[40:45] out of that subdivision going
[40:48] into people's houses on Air
[40:49] Park Road as I was asking that
[40:52] same question.
[40:54] But I guess my point is here,
[40:56] kind of
[40:57] like these big subdivisions
[40:59] like Oakley Preserve, they
[41:00] didn't bring any fill
[41:01] in there. They just dug a big
[41:03] hole, built it way up high and
[41:04] then, well,
[41:05] you know what happened
[41:07] over there. So is this going
[41:09] to apply to just like single
[41:11] family homes or if they want to
[41:13] annex and build another
[41:14] subdivision,
[41:15] can they dig a big lake? And
[41:17] then that's kind
[41:18] of what I was wondering.
[41:21] >> Thank you
[41:22] for your questions. This is
[41:23] just related to the Forest
[41:24] Shores drainage basin.
[41:26] >> So is that
[41:27] like single family homes
[41:28] in that area?
[41:29] >> Correct.
[41:30] >> Wouldn't be a subdivision.
[41:31] >> Correct. And that question
[41:32] will be asked after this.
[41:34] >> Yeah. And so then that is
[41:35] kind
[41:36] of a good idea because if they,
[41:37] if they dig a hole in the back
[41:40] and then that gives a place
[41:41] for water to go and then if
[41:43] they take that fill and they
[41:44] put it and raise their house up
[41:45] a little bit,
[41:46] at least they're holding some
[41:48] of their water. That's kind
[41:52] of the way I see it.
[41:54] But yeah, if they're. But stem
[41:56] walls are good too. I know Rob
[41:59] had mentioned that before,
[42:01] but if they dig retention
[42:02] in the back,
[42:03] I think that's what a lot
[42:04] of people are after. If they
[42:05] can, you know, kind
[42:06] of hold some
[42:07] of their own water.
[42:08] >> Dan Knight2290 Elegant
[42:16] Manor I apologize for my breach
[42:19] and protocol earlier. This
[42:21] relates
[42:22] to that section two comment,
[42:24] no pools permitted. Those five
[42:25] little words that seem to have
[42:26] been added back in. I'm just
[42:28] kind of curious and something
[42:31] to contemplate. How is a 1500
[42:32] square foot pool and patio
[42:35] different than a 1500 square
[42:36] foot detached garage? Both are
[42:37] relatively impervious. Yet
[42:39] under this current ordinance, I
[42:41] think that the detached garage
[42:43] could be approved,
[42:44] whereas a pool cannot. And
[42:46] that's a little concerning for
[42:47] me considering the pool itself
[42:49] can hold another 6 to 8 inches
[42:51] of rainwater potentially. And
[42:54] yet the detached garage could
[42:55] get a get approved, I believe
[42:57] as written. I think it does
[42:59] open the city up to litigation.
[43:01] I suggest speaking
[43:03] to the city, the city's legal
[43:05] counsel, get their opinion as
[43:07] well as speaking as subject
[43:09] matter experts that you guys
[43:10] have hired and that who do work
[43:12] here just to make sure you get
[43:13] their opinion
[43:15] before you attempt to pass this
[43:16] as it's written. I think if you
[43:19] cannot differentiate between
[43:20] the pool and the garage itself
[43:22] as both being impervious, then
[43:23] I think you run that
[43:25] possibility
[43:26] of this running a foul,
[43:29] getting you guys in trouble,
[43:31] that litigation. And I don't
[43:32] think you could pass it as
[43:34] written based off that. Thank
[43:35] you.
[43:37] >> Thank you for your comments.
[43:40] >> Good evening. My name is
[43:49] Billy Dove. I'm an attorney
[43:51] with Gray Robinson. I'm here
[43:52] on behalf of the Edgewater
[43:54] Preserve development. I just
[43:55] want to briefly address this
[43:57] proposed amended moratorium.
[44:00] While we believe it's
[44:01] appropriate to lift the burden
[44:02] on property owners that was
[44:03] created by the original
[44:04] moratorium's wholesale ban
[44:06] on any building permits, we
[44:07] also believe that any
[44:08] moratorium in this area,
[44:09] including the revised proposal,
[44:11] is an inappropriate way
[44:12] for the city
[44:13] to deflect responsibility
[44:15] for preventing flooding. It
[44:16] should also be noted that the
[44:17] original. The original
[44:20] moratorium imposed a
[44:22] requirement on the city
[44:23] to repair,
[44:24] maintain and improve ditches,
[44:25] canals and stormwater systems
[44:26] while the moratorium was
[44:28] pending. The amended moratorium
[44:30] removes that requirement,
[44:31] eliminating the city's
[44:33] responsibility to undertake
[44:34] badly needed maintenance and
[44:36] repairs to their own systems
[44:37] in the Florida shores. To add
[44:39] to this, we're aware that a
[44:40] complaint has been made to the
[44:42] FDP alleging that approximately
[44:44] 60 of the city's intake drains
[44:45] have been altered and currently
[44:47] do not operate as designed.
[44:49] Basically, the city's own
[44:50] systems are failing and the
[44:52] moratorium has only scapegoated
[44:53] the Edgewater Preserve
[44:54] development. The pond
[44:56] on the north edge of the
[44:58] Edgewater Preserve has now been
[44:59] stabilized and is operational.
[45:01] When the unfortunate storms
[45:02] took place last September, this
[45:04] wasn't the case as the ponds
[45:06] had only been partially
[45:07] constructed and not yet
[45:08] stabilized. The recitals in the
[45:11] moratorium reference flooding
[45:12] in the Florida shores in
[45:13] Hurricane Ian 2022 and that was
[45:15] long before any site work had
[45:17] taken place on Edgewater
[45:20] Preserve. Phase 2. The area
[45:21] recently experienced increased
[45:22] rainfall on March 10th and
[45:25] there were no issues
[45:26] with the stormwater systems
[45:29] at Edgewater Preserve.
[45:30] In addition, Edgewater has
[45:32] submitted vested rights letters
[45:34] for each phase
[45:35] of their development on
[45:37] February 5 and has yet
[45:38] to receive any response from
[45:40] the city. I would ask the
[45:41] council or member
[45:42] of your staff, will the city
[45:43] require, if this moratorium is
[45:44] to be passed, will the city
[45:46] require that new vested rights
[45:47] applications be submitted or
[45:49] will the admit the existing
[45:50] applications be sufficient
[45:52] under this moratorium as well?
[45:54] >> Thank you, sir,
[45:55] for your comments.
[45:57] >> It's appreciated. Okay. Is
[45:59] there. Do you understand? Do
[46:00] you have an idea of how you'll
[46:01] handle the vested rights
[46:03] application?
[46:04] >> Thank you, sir,
[46:05] for your comments. It's
[46:06] appreciated.
[46:07] >> All right,
[46:13] we'll follow up.
[46:14] >> Thank you.
[46:15] >> Good Evening, Eric
[46:16] Rainbird, 118 San Remo Drive,
[46:17] Edgewater. What that guy just
[46:18] said is exactly what we might
[46:20] need to change to make them
[46:22] build the retention ponds
[46:25] first. Then we watch how they
[46:27] do. Then you let them build.
[46:35] >> See no further. Citizens
[46:37] comments. Council comments.
[46:42] >> I wanted to bring that pool
[46:44] subject up tonight. I wanted
[46:46] to discuss with council. Your
[46:48] thoughts are excluding.
[46:50] Excluding it so the pools can
[46:51] be built
[46:53] during the moratorium. The
[46:54] gentleman made a great point.
[46:56] And I've.
[46:57] Since our last meeting,
[46:58] I've had a few residents reach
[46:59] out to me who had pulled.
[47:01] Tried to pull the pool permits
[47:02] and were not able to. And they
[47:04] were confused as to why,
[47:05] like a detached garage,
[47:07] we're going to allow a pool
[47:09] that takes up maybe less space
[47:10] in the garage. We are allowing.
[47:11] So I wanted
[47:13] to have that discussion tonight
[47:15] to see if we could remove.
[47:17] >> The pools
[47:19] from the moratorium as
[47:22] of right now. If they tried
[47:23] to pull it, it would be denied
[47:25] either way because it's still
[47:27] banned
[47:29] from the original moratorium.
[47:30] So if they would have applied
[47:31] any point in time
[47:33] until a new one changes, they
[47:34] would still have not been able
[47:35] to do it.
[47:37] >> And that's. But that's a.
[47:38] It's a problem and it could be
[47:39] a legal problem as well. And I
[47:40] talked to Ryan about that. And
[47:42] as the moratorium stands today
[47:43] with the pools in may not stand
[47:44] up.
[47:46] >> City attorney.
[47:47] >> Yeah, there's a. There is a
[47:49] risk that it be challenged
[47:51] for the. You know,
[47:53] anytime you make an exception
[47:55] like that,
[47:57] there's a possibility of a,
[47:58] perhaps an equal protection
[48:00] challenge, that you're not
[48:04] treating people equally. The
[48:07] example was the shed. So there,
[48:08] there is that risk that there
[48:10] could be challenge or
[48:12] litigation leading
[48:14] to that.
[48:16] >> It would have been great
[48:17] to have that council
[48:19] before this meeting. Meeting.
[48:21] Well, then I make a motion that
[48:23] we. Or suggest a motion that we
[48:25] table this until the next
[48:28] council meeting.
[48:29] >> I will make a motion to
[48:32] table a second reading because
[48:39] I would also like
[48:40] to have a full council
[48:42] for this discussion. If moving
[48:44] forward, I make a motion
[48:45] to table the second reading
[48:48] of ordinance number 2025 06.
[48:50] >> Second
[48:52] >> Roll call.
[48:56] >> [CALLING ROLL]
[49:03] >> Item 8D,
[49:05] first reading order.
[49:07] >> Sorry, Mr. Can I get some
[49:09] direction.
[49:10] >> On what you want me to
[49:12] change? I think that the
[49:14] suggestion now is just
[49:15] to table the discussion until
[49:17] we have a full council and
[49:19] consult with our attorney.
[49:21] Okay. I don't think that we
[49:23] need to make any immediate
[49:24] changes. I think it's just
[49:26] tabled for discussion. Okay.
[49:28] Thank you. Thank you, Mr.
[49:30] Solstice. Item 8D was. I
[49:33] corrected that. I apologize.
[49:36] Okay. Item 8D. First reading.
[49:38] Ordinance number 2025 01,
[49:39] amending the restraining the
[49:41] police officer's pension plan.
[49:45] Please read
[49:46] into the record or in.
[49:48] >> Summer 2025 001, an
[49:49] ordinance to the City council
[49:51] of Edgewater, Florida repealing
[49:53] Ordinance 2016 O34
[49:54] in its entirety and amending,
[49:56] restating and adopting the city
[49:57] of Edgewater Florida police
[49:58] officers pension planning
[50:00] for filing with the division
[50:01] of retirement at the Florida
[50:02] Department of Management.
[50:03] Services provided
[50:05] for conflicting provisions
[50:06] front
[50:07] for cyber building and
[50:08] providing
[50:09] for an effective date.
[50:10] >> Staff report.
[50:11] >> City Council adopted
[50:12] Ordinance 2016034 on November
[50:15] 14, 2016, which amended and
[50:17] restated the Edgewater Police
[50:20] officers pension Plan.
[50:23] Subsequently, Ordinance
[50:36] 20170221 2220-2003-3202-2018
[50:43] 2320-2301-0202-3023 and
[50:46] 2024035 were adopted amending
[50:49] various sections of the police
[50:51] officer's pension plan.
[50:53] Ordinance 202501 is
[50:56] incorporation
[50:57] of all pension amendments
[50:59] into a restated plan. We're
[51:02] requesting a motion
[51:04] to approve ordinance 2025 01.
[51:12] >> Thank you, sir. Open a
[51:13] public hearing. Citizens
[51:15] comments. Council comments.
[51:18] The great Police Department.
[51:22] Is there a motion
[51:24] to approve?
[51:25] >> Make a motion
[51:26] to approve the first reading
[51:27] of ordinance number 2025 01,
[51:29] amending and restating the
[51:31] police officer's pension plan.
[51:32] >> Second
[51:34] roll call.
[51:36] >> [CALLING ROLL]
[51:41] >> Item AD 2025 R05, approving
[51:43] the locally funded agreement
[51:45] LFA between the city of
[51:47] Edgewater and the Florida
[51:48] Department of Transportation
[51:50] FDOT
[51:51] for the emergency traffic
[51:52] signal at Fire Station 55 FPN
[51:55] Number 4534-722-6202.
[51:57] >> Please read into the
[52:03] Record Resolution Number 2024
[52:04] R05 a resolution of the City
[52:06] Council but the City of
[52:07] Edgewater, Florida to sign a
[52:09] locally funded agreement LFA
[52:10] with the Florida Department
[52:11] of Transportation FDA
[52:13] to provide a lump sum deposit
[52:14] in the amount of $22,337
[52:16] to support the Construction,
[52:17] Engineering, Inspection CEI
[52:18] of the installation
[52:19] of the emergency traffic signal
[52:20] in front of the fire station.
[52:22] 55 Repealing resolutions
[52:23] of conflict here
[52:24] with providing
[52:26] for severability and for
[52:27] establishing an effective date.
[52:28] >> Thank you.
[52:29] >> Staff Report the FDOT has
[52:30] requested the City of
[52:32] Edgewater to execute the
[52:33] locally funded agreement
[52:35] for project number 400534722
[52:42] 62.
[52:45] For the Florida Department of
[52:46] Transportation
[52:47] to provide a lump sum deposit
[52:49] for construction, engineering
[52:51] and inspections or CEI services
[52:52] for the installation
[52:55] of the emergency traffic signal
[52:56] in front of Fire Station 55.
[52:58] We're asking
[53:01] for motion and approval
[53:03] for the city of Edgewater to
[53:05] execute a local funding
[53:06] agreement
[53:07] for the emergency traffic
[53:09] signal at Fire Station 55.
[53:11] >> Thank you. Open a public
[53:13] hearing. Citizens Comments.
[53:15] >> Chuck Martin, 2 of 5
[53:23] Cherrywood Lane as a crane
[53:29] operator that's. Every
[53:33] hurricane out of town.
[53:35] Assistant Florida Power
[53:36] Enlighten several other
[53:38] companies
[53:39] with power restoration
[53:41] over the last 20 years and
[53:44] traveling all over the state
[53:45] of Florida last 30 years. I
[53:48] think I can tell you that I
[53:53] can't think of any other cities
[53:54] or anybody our size that
[53:56] doesn't have a emergency light
[54:00] for our fire department
[54:01] to get out. And I've seen it
[54:03] several times when they've
[54:04] tried to get
[54:06] out there and they got
[54:07] to wait. So this is great. I
[54:08] know you guys are going
[54:10] to prove it. Anyways, I just
[54:11] wanted to say that it's great
[54:13] and it's much,
[54:15] much needed here. I just want
[54:22] to thank you, Mayor, for. I
[54:24] know you've been working behind
[54:26] the scenes putting this forth
[54:29] and it's taken a long time
[54:30] to get here and. And I just
[54:32] want
[54:33] to thank everybody up there
[54:35] for. For making this happen.
[54:36] It's taken a long time. Every
[54:38] one of you, all of you,
[54:40] thank you.
[54:43] >> Thank you, sir,
[54:44] for your comments. Council
[54:52] comments. I just want to say
[54:53] that this has been long
[54:55] overdue. It's been talked
[54:56] about, I think, ever since I
[54:58] was elected and I've been in
[54:59] Jeff's office
[55:01] before and I'll go. You hear
[55:02] that? It'll be someone
[55:04] screeching on their brakes as
[55:05] the ambulance is trying
[55:07] to get out. So great job
[55:08] between our both city managers,
[55:09] our grants department Chief
[55:11] larosy for making this come to
[55:12] fruition and our finance
[55:14] department. It takes a team and
[55:15] a team was together
[55:17] to get this established. As the
[55:19] citizen said tonight,
[55:20] there's been public support
[55:22] for this reunion years. We have
[55:24] a tremendous police and fire
[55:25] department and all the
[55:27] collaboration that come
[55:29] together for this project has
[55:30] been tremendous,
[55:32] long overdue. Thank you
[55:34] to the Grants department,
[55:35] Chief Literacy and city
[55:37] management. Is there a motion
[55:38] to approve?
[55:40] >> Make a motion to approve
[55:42] 2025 R05 approving locally
[55:43] funded agreement
[55:45] between the city of Edgewater
[55:47] and the Florida Department of
[55:48] Treasury Transportation
[55:50] for the emergency traffic
[55:51] signal at the Fire Station
[55:52] 55.
[55:54] >> Second
[55:55] >> Roll call.
[55:56] >> [CALLING ROLL]
[55:59] >> Item 8F, Resolution 2025 R06
[56:05] approving the Local Agency
[56:12] Program LAP between City of
[56:14] Edgewater and the Florida
[56:15] Department of Transportation
[56:17] FDOT for the Emergency
[56:18] Traffic Signal Fire Station 55
[56:20] FPN Number 4534-721-5801.
[56:23] >> Please read into the
[56:29] Record Resolution Number 2025
[56:31] R06, a resolution of the City
[56:32] Council of the City of
[56:34] Edgewater, Florida authorizing
[56:35] the City Manager to enter into
[56:36] and execute a local agency
[56:37] program agreement with the
[56:39] State of Florida Department
[56:40] of Transportation concerning
[56:42] the installation
[56:43] of an emergency traffic signal
[56:44] in front of Fire Station 55.
[56:45] Repealing resolutions
[56:46] of conflict here with provided
[56:48] for severability and
[56:49] applicability and establishing
[56:50] an effective date.
[56:51] >> Thank you.
[56:52] >> Staff Report the FTT has
[56:53] requested the City of
[56:54] Edgewater to execute the local
[56:55] agency program agreement
[56:56] for project number 453-472158
[56:58] for the design and installation
[57:08] of the emergency signals
[57:10] in front of Fire Station 55.
[57:12] The estimated cost
[57:17] of the project is 558,837
[57:20] with the city agreeing
[57:22] to participate
[57:24] in the project cost up
[57:26] to the maximum amount of
[57:32] $265,940. The city has already
[57:37] contributed 127,135 towards the
[57:41] maximum city cost towards its
[57:42] project.
[57:44] For the design work required
[57:46] by FDOT. We are requesting a
[57:47] motion and approval of
[57:50] Resolution 2025 RO6
[57:55] to execute the Local Agency
[57:58] Program Agreement for Project
[58:02] 4 emergency traffic signal at
[58:03] Fire Station 55.
[58:05] >> Thank you sir. Open a public
[58:07] hearing. Citizens Comments
[58:08] Council comments Is there a
[58:14] motion
[58:16] to approve? I make our motion
[58:18] to Approve resolution number
[58:19] 2025 R06 approving the local
[58:20] agency program between the
[58:22] City of Edgewater and the the
[58:23] Florida Department of
[58:24] Transportation
[58:25] for the emergency traffic
[58:27] signal at Fire Station 55.
[58:29] >>Second
[58:30] >> Roll call
[58:31] >> [CALLING ROLL]
[58:36] >> Yes. Item
[58:37] 10 Other business Item 10 A
[58:39] whistle stop park easement
[58:40] request
[58:41] from FPL FPL staff report
[58:43] Florida Power and Light.
[58:46] >> Is proposing an easement
[58:47] path to bury a primary power
[58:49] line and place a pad mounted
[58:55] transformer as a part of their
[58:57] secure underground program.
[59:00] They are proposing a 10 foot
[59:02] strip easement be placed
[59:04] along the western property line
[59:06] of Whistle stop Park totaling
[59:08] 10 foot by 960 foot easement.
[59:09] Two pad mounted transformers
[59:12] will be placed with
[59:13] within the strip for the
[59:15] replacement overhead power
[59:17] overhead pole mounted
[59:19] transformers on the property.
[59:25] They are designed to be placed
[59:27] in the same vicinity as the
[59:30] existing poles. Since the
[59:32] city's meters are existing
[59:33] underground for these points,
[59:36] they will be reconnected
[59:38] to the new underground service
[59:39] during construction structure.
[59:42] We're requesting approval
[59:45] of FPL's request for easement
[59:47] at Whistle Stop Park.
[59:50] >> Thank you. Citizens.
[59:54] Comments Council Comments. Is
[59:56] there a motion to approve.
[59:58] Make a motion to approve
[59:59] Whistle Stop park easement
[1:00:00] request from FPL.
[1:00:01] >> Second
[1:00:02] >> Roll call
[1:00:04] [CALLING ROLL]
[1:00:09] >> Item 10B, FP2401 Request
[1:00:11] for final plat approval for
[1:00:13] Smyrna Creek Preserve, a 78 lot
[1:00:14] residential subdivision. Staff
[1:00:16] report.
[1:00:18] >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The
[1:00:23] request before you is
[1:00:25] to approve the final plat for
[1:00:26] Smyrna Creek Preserve, a 78 lot
[1:00:27] residential subdivision.
[1:00:29] Smyrna Creek Preserve is
[1:00:31] located off of old Mission
[1:00:33] Road. It 21.49 plus or minus
[1:00:35] acres. The preliminary plat was
[1:00:37] approved on November 6, 2023
[1:00:39] by the City Council. The
[1:00:41] applicant first submitted
[1:00:43] for final plat on June 21st
[1:00:45] of 2024. Subsequent reviews
[1:00:47] have taken place and the
[1:00:49] technical review committee has
[1:00:51] reviewed the following final
[1:00:53] plat and has found that the
[1:00:54] development meets the
[1:00:56] requirements
[1:00:57] of the preliminary plat, the
[1:00:58] Land Development Code and the
[1:00:59] Residential Planned Unit
[1:01:00] Development Agreement
[1:01:01] for the subject property. Just
[1:01:03] again, the final plot is the
[1:01:04] second step
[1:01:05] in the process process
[1:01:07] of subdividing land
[1:01:08] into separate parcels
[1:01:09] for future sale or lease. Once
[1:01:11] a preliminary plot has been
[1:01:12] approved, the final plot
[1:01:14] process can begin. And this is
[1:01:15] the subject site. You can see
[1:01:20] on the screen. The Total
[1:01:24] acreage is 21.49 acres. 15,
[1:01:27] 15.6 or so are
[1:01:32] in open space and that is a 3
[1:01:36] acre water retention pond. You
[1:01:38] have the conservation track in
[1:01:40] the southeastern portion where
[1:01:42] they preserved all the wetlands
[1:01:43] as well as landscape buffers
[1:01:46] and so forth. The original pud
[1:01:50] did call for 168 units. After
[1:01:54] meeting our stormwater code,
[1:01:56] they were left with about 78
[1:01:59] units
[1:02:00] on the subject property.
[1:02:03] >> Thank you. Applicant
[1:02:04] Presentation comments.
[1:02:17] >> Good evening everybody. My
[1:02:18] name is Matt Stoles with Dr.
[1:02:20] Horton, 10192 down road. You
[1:02:22] know, I'm just really here to
[1:02:24] address any comments or any
[1:02:25] questions that anyone has.
[1:02:29] We've worked pretty hard
[1:02:30] to meet with the everyone
[1:02:32] with the city to address any
[1:02:33] comments or concerns that
[1:02:35] anybody has. There's nothing
[1:02:36] really that I've heard or
[1:02:37] anyone has any reservations
[1:02:39] with that we're aware of.
[1:02:40] But we'd like the opportunity
[1:02:41] to respond if anything does
[1:02:43] come up, just to provide
[1:02:44] additional information. Know
[1:02:46] our site is fully constructed.
[1:02:48] Everything is stabilized clean.
[1:02:51] We're about 99% done
[1:02:53] with the construction
[1:02:55] of the site. Work.
[1:02:56] Everything's been working well.
[1:02:58] There haven't been any issues
[1:02:59] on the construction side
[1:03:00] of things. You know,
[1:03:02] we understand. I think as Ryan
[1:03:04] mentioned,
[1:03:05] everything's been approved
[1:03:07] on the construction.
[1:03:08] On the construction plan side
[1:03:09] between staff and the board and
[1:03:11] our final plot is approved
[1:03:14] by staff and we're just looking
[1:03:16] to get that approved tonight
[1:03:17] here with my development team
[1:03:19] as well. If there's any
[1:03:20] specific questions, serving
[1:03:22] engineering land questions as
[1:03:23] well. So that's all I got.
[1:03:26] >> Thank you, sir. So this is.
[1:03:27] Comments. Take council
[1:03:31] comments. I just want
[1:03:35] to say that I think I was one
[1:03:37] of the first and only members
[1:03:40] that stated that we cannot
[1:03:41] continue to build until we have
[1:03:45] a stormwater master plan
[1:03:46] in hand. Before Hurricane
[1:03:48] Milton and a large rain event
[1:03:50] when I was first elected,
[1:03:52] the original developer
[1:03:54] of this issue, of this
[1:03:55] development was having an issue
[1:03:57] through permitting. And it was
[1:03:58] when we were transitioning
[1:04:00] from Mr. Lear to Ryan. And I
[1:04:01] met
[1:04:02] with him and I had quite a bit
[1:04:04] of concern. We went and drove
[1:04:06] the property. I'm going to sit
[1:04:08] in front of you and tell you
[1:04:09] that this is the only
[1:04:11] subdivision in all of the city
[1:04:13] of Edgewater that I have not
[1:04:15] received a single complaint
[1:04:18] about. I walked the property
[1:04:19] behind there, the development
[1:04:21] behind there. All the neighbors
[1:04:23] seemed okay. This is one of the
[1:04:25] largest buffers I've ever seen,
[1:04:26] to be honest. Please don't take
[1:04:29] offense to this. I'm very
[1:04:31] surprised that this is Dr.
[1:04:32] Horton project. I would
[1:04:34] recommend that they that this
[1:04:37] is how every subdivision.
[1:04:38] Unfortunately, we're going
[1:04:40] to continue
[1:04:41] to build regardless. We have
[1:04:42] 12,000 homes already approved
[1:04:44] in the city of Eduard. I would
[1:04:45] encourage Dr. Horton
[1:04:46] to continue to build like this
[1:04:47] on what is already approved
[1:04:49] in our community. This is not
[1:04:50] approval of the subdivision.
[1:04:51] This is not approval
[1:04:53] of the subdivision. It has
[1:04:54] already been approved,
[1:04:56] has already moved forward.
[1:04:57] This is a final plat decision.
[1:04:59] I did my due diligence. I made
[1:05:01] the motion to table because I
[1:05:03] couldn't get a hold of the
[1:05:05] original developer I met with,
[1:05:07] which I got a hold of and asked
[1:05:09] a couple questions. I drove the
[1:05:10] property three different times.
[1:05:11] The mobile home park
[1:05:12] behind there, like I stated,
[1:05:13] was not affected at all. I. I
[1:05:15] think that this is a
[1:05:16] subdivision of that meets
[1:05:17] quality expectations. And you
[1:05:19] don't hear me say that often. I
[1:05:20] think the elevation is not a
[1:05:23] concern here. You don't
[1:05:27] necessarily see it being 10ft
[1:05:29] above the other facility like
[1:05:32] several other subdivisions.
[1:05:38] And the buffer is large.
[1:05:43] That's just my opinion. I also
[1:05:47] met with Mr. Stolz and as well
[1:05:48] as the engineer who answered
[1:05:49] all of my questions and walked
[1:05:51] the property as well. And I'm
[1:05:52] more comfortable.
[1:05:57] >> With this than other
[1:05:58] projects that have come to us
[1:06:00] in the past.
[1:06:01] >> Mr. Attorney.
[1:06:02] >> Sorry.
[1:06:03] >> Yes. Just to quickly, you
[1:06:04] know, go over the law
[1:06:07] on final plat approval. The
[1:06:08] Florida Supreme Court has held
[1:06:10] that a decision granting or
[1:06:11] denying a final plat
[1:06:12] application is governed
[1:06:13] by local regulations, which
[1:06:14] must be uniformly administered.
[1:06:16] The administrative procedure,
[1:06:17] and this is an administrative
[1:06:19] procedure procedure for final
[1:06:20] plat approval is quasi judicial
[1:06:22] in nature, conducted to
[1:06:24] factually determine if the
[1:06:26] proposed site or final plat
[1:06:28] submitted
[1:06:29] by the property owner conforms
[1:06:31] to the specific requirements
[1:06:33] set out in the administrative
[1:06:34] regulations governing the
[1:06:35] erection of improvements
[1:06:37] on the property. And property
[1:06:39] owners are entitled to notice
[1:06:41] of the conditions they must
[1:06:42] meet in order
[1:06:44] to improve their property
[1:06:45] in accordance with the existing
[1:06:46] zoning and other development
[1:06:47] requirements regulations
[1:06:49] of the government. And these
[1:06:50] conditions must be set out
[1:06:51] in clearly stated regulations,
[1:06:53] which they are for the city.
[1:06:55] So compliance with these
[1:06:56] regulations should be capable
[1:06:57] of objective determination in
[1:06:58] an administrative proceeding.
[1:06:59] And that is the purpose
[1:07:01] of this public hearing, is to
[1:07:02] make that objective
[1:07:03] determination. While the burden
[1:07:05] is on the property owner
[1:07:07] to demonstrate compliance,
[1:07:09] there's no legislative
[1:07:11] discretion in involved
[1:07:12] in resolving the issue
[1:07:13] of compliance. So once the
[1:07:15] applicant meets the initial
[1:07:16] burden of showing that their
[1:07:18] application met all the city's
[1:07:19] criteria
[1:07:20] for granting the application,
[1:07:22] the burden then shifts
[1:07:23] to the city to demonstrate
[1:07:25] by competent,
[1:07:26] substantial evidence presented
[1:07:27] at the hearing and made part of
[1:07:28] the record that the application
[1:07:30] did not meet such standards and
[1:07:31] was in fact, adverse
[1:07:33] to the public interest. So
[1:07:35] to deny a plaid application,
[1:07:36] local government,
[1:07:37] like the city, must show by
[1:07:39] competent substantial evidence
[1:07:41] that the application does not
[1:07:42] meet the published criteria.
[1:07:45] So if the application complies
[1:07:47] with the comprehensive plan,
[1:07:49] the land Development code,
[1:07:51] the zoning and the RPUD
[1:07:53] agreement, the Florida
[1:07:54] statutes,
[1:07:55] and they have all the
[1:07:56] permitting, then the
[1:07:58] application should be granted.
[1:08:00] >> I did just have one
[1:08:02] question, and it's more of a
[1:08:06] simple question. I'm not sure,
[1:08:08] actually, if it's for you or
[1:08:09] environmental services that
[1:08:13] will be maintained by the city
[1:08:14] of Edgewater's responsibility.
[1:08:18] Correct. As far as any kind of
[1:08:21] stormwater criteria moving
[1:08:22] forward around that property,
[1:08:26] is it county maintained? Is it
[1:08:31] is a runoff go into a county? I
[1:08:34] know water has no boundary. It
[1:08:36] ultimately goes to Edgewater
[1:08:37] Canal and out.
[1:08:39] But I'm just curious, is that
[1:08:41] in the county or is that
[1:08:43] in the city? And how exactly
[1:08:44] would that process maintenance
[1:08:47] look moving forward? Because we
[1:08:50] maintain our own canals and
[1:08:52] ditches. So I'm just curious.
[1:08:53] >> So this site is. The
[1:08:57] hydrology in this area is very
[1:09:01] particular and it's very
[1:09:03] strange. So on this west side
[1:09:05] of Old Mission, the water flows
[1:09:06] north on the east side,
[1:09:09] it flows south. So it's kind
[1:09:11] of. Well, it flows south
[1:09:12] in the north again
[1:09:14] through the canal. But so
[1:09:15] over here, the wetlands and the
[1:09:19] furthest southern portion that
[1:09:21] are in conservation will flow
[1:09:22] into the compensating storage
[1:09:24] pond. And there is a creek that
[1:09:26] they preserve the opening.
[1:09:28] That creek then runs under
[1:09:30] Eslinger and that's the
[1:09:32] headwaters of the Turnbull
[1:09:33] Creek that goes into Turnbull
[1:09:35] Bay out into Indian River.
[1:09:38] They also then have the pond
[1:09:39] that is
[1:09:40] for their subdivision. So the
[1:09:41] compensating storage helps
[1:09:43] facilitate that flow
[1:09:46] of that wetland and still
[1:09:47] into that creek. And then as
[1:09:50] far as. So the county maintains
[1:09:51] the ditch along Old Mission
[1:09:53] in this project, the city part
[1:09:56] of the comp plan says they
[1:09:58] either have to dedicate the
[1:09:59] wetlands and areas
[1:10:01] in conservation to St. John's
[1:10:02] or the city. So that's
[1:10:03] in perpetuity
[1:10:05] in conservation, and that's
[1:10:07] in the con plan policy. Now, as
[1:10:09] far as. So the HOA
[1:10:11] in this case will maintain,
[1:10:13] you know,
[1:10:14] the stormwater system
[1:10:15] for this specific site. Now as
[1:10:18] far as the county maintains the
[1:10:19] ditch on Old Mission, and that
[1:10:20] is the county's responsibility.
[1:10:22] Part of that is that how.
[1:10:24] >> Yes.
[1:10:26] >> Did that answer?
[1:10:30] >> Yes. Thank you.
[1:10:31] >> What I like
[1:10:33] about this project is it has
[1:10:34] 21 acres plus over 15 is going
[1:10:37] to be in conservation,
[1:10:38] which is big. Two thirds
[1:10:39] of it's going
[1:10:40] to stay conservation,
[1:10:42] preservation. And the fact that
[1:10:44] it flows north after,
[1:10:45] if it overflows
[1:10:47] for some reason that pond,
[1:10:49] it goes into wetlands and then
[1:10:51] to the Turnbull Bay headwaters
[1:10:54] and then it goes north. So the
[1:10:56] trailer park that's below it,
[1:10:58] there's no worries there. I
[1:10:59] spoke with a few
[1:11:00] of the residents there as well.
[1:11:02] No, I think it's a great
[1:11:03] project. And do I understand
[1:11:05] right that they're going
[1:11:06] to dedicate it back
[1:11:08] to the city?
[1:11:09] >> Yeah. So the areas that are
[1:11:10] in conservation, that
[1:11:13] southeastern, I don't recall
[1:11:14] off the top
[1:11:17] of my head how big it was.
[1:11:19] That'll be in dedicated
[1:11:20] to the city. So that'll be
[1:11:22] in perpetuity and conservation.
[1:11:23] As well as the kind
[1:11:24] of the mouth of the creek,
[1:11:26] which is
[1:11:27] in that northwest kind
[1:11:29] of line coming out of the
[1:11:31] northern property boundary that
[1:11:33] will also be preserved.
[1:11:38] >> Is there a motion
[1:11:39] to approve.
[1:11:40] >> Make a motion
[1:11:42] to approve. FP2401 request
[1:11:43] for final plat approval for
[1:11:44] Smyrna Creek Preserve.
[1:11:46] >> Second
[1:11:47] >> Roll call.
[1:11:50] >> [CALLING ROLL]
[1:11:55] >> Item 11. Officer reports
[1:11:56] item 11, a city clerk.
[1:12:00] >> With the special election
[1:12:01] coming up, we have the city
[1:12:04] canvassing board
[1:12:08] of this interim city manager,
[1:12:10] the mayor and myself, I would
[1:12:12] like to, just to be on the safe
[1:12:13] side because we really only
[1:12:14] have one shot
[1:12:16] at doing the canvassing
[1:12:17] of the election. Just have an
[1:12:18] alternate just in case. Not
[1:12:20] to jinx anybody, but just
[1:12:21] to be on the safe side. So if I
[1:12:23] could just get consensus from.
[1:12:25] From council, I suggest Vice
[1:12:26] Mayor Gillis as an alternate
[1:12:28] for the canvassing board.
[1:12:29] Everybody is okay
[1:12:30] with that?
[1:12:31] >> Sure.
[1:12:34] >> Okay. And then a reminder.
[1:12:35] The special election is on
[1:12:38] April 1. The polling locations
[1:12:40] are open from 7 to 7. It is
[1:12:43] citywide,
[1:12:44] meaning you do not have
[1:12:46] to live in that district
[1:12:47] in order to vote for District
[1:12:48] 4. And anyone who is voting
[1:12:50] would go
[1:12:51] to their normal precinct. As
[1:12:52] with any election,
[1:12:53] whomever is elected
[1:12:54] on the 1st will be sworn in
[1:12:56] at the meeting on the 7th.
[1:12:57] That's all I have.
[1:13:04] >> Thank you. Item 11B, City
[1:13:05] Attorney.
[1:13:06] >> Nothing at this time.
[1:13:08] >> Item 11C, City Manager.
[1:13:09] >> Nothing additional to the
[1:13:13] memorandum that I emailed this
[1:13:17] morning or put
[1:13:19] in your mailboxes. There are a
[1:13:21] few things I'd like
[1:13:23] to highlight is participated
[1:13:25] in the LNA testing
[1:13:26] for that special election
[1:13:29] in the land. Also, I'm being
[1:13:31] considered to serve on the
[1:13:32] National American Public Work
[1:13:36] Association Subcommittee on
[1:13:38] Operations and Maintenance.
[1:13:40] >> It's not done deal,
[1:13:41] but congratulations.
[1:13:43] >> It's a great honor. Also,
[1:13:45] staff has been working
[1:13:46] diligently with Spectrum
[1:13:49] Business
[1:13:50] to install the final components
[1:13:52] for relocating the department
[1:13:54] Development and Review
[1:13:55] Department to the new
[1:13:58] Riverside Drive location. We
[1:14:00] are anticipating that to take
[1:14:03] place no later than first week
[1:14:08] in April. We'd also like
[1:14:10] to have a ribbon cutting. Yet
[1:14:12] to be determined what date.
[1:14:14] Right. Those are the things I'd
[1:14:16] like to highlight. I would
[1:14:17] like to ask Sean
[1:14:19] to give us some updates
[1:14:20] on stormwater activities.
[1:14:29] >> Sean Maroney, Interim
[1:14:30] Environmental Services
[1:14:31] Director Just
[1:14:33] to give you an update
[1:14:34] like we've been trying to put
[1:14:35] out every week where the guys
[1:14:36] are working or the crews are
[1:14:38] working. Currently we got a big
[1:14:39] undertaking on the Queen Lake
[1:14:42] between 21st and 19th, cleaning
[1:14:43] up some trees that were dead or
[1:14:44] leaning over the lake trying
[1:14:45] to clean that up. Got a crew
[1:14:47] in Parktown cleaning up. We had
[1:14:49] the Menzie was over
[1:14:50] in the landings
[1:14:51] in their big canal and it broke
[1:14:52] down last week. So it's
[1:14:54] currently still. I think we're
[1:14:55] going to have it back
[1:14:56] on the road this week. So
[1:14:57] hopefully get that gets back
[1:14:59] in there. You know,
[1:15:01] just running through, doing
[1:15:02] some mowing and other things
[1:15:03] throughout the maintenance. I
[1:15:05] know everybody's interested in
[1:15:06] these boxes that we were
[1:15:07] reported to the state on. So I
[1:15:09] did want to give you an update
[1:15:10] and I do want
[1:15:11] to get some clarification
[1:15:12] to let you guys know,
[1:15:13] there's a lot
[1:15:15] of misinformation being spread
[1:15:16] out there, even
[1:15:18] by people associated
[1:15:19] with council. So I just want
[1:15:20] to make sure you're all
[1:15:21] on the same page. These boxes
[1:15:23] are not flood control. They are
[1:15:24] water quality control. So they
[1:15:25] were cut,
[1:15:30] from what I understand,
[1:15:31] what I've seen
[1:15:32] in my experience,
[1:15:33] to allow water to move because
[1:15:34] of flooding issues. When we
[1:15:36] seal them up,
[1:15:37] they are not going to help
[1:15:38] with flood. It. It may make it
[1:15:40] worse, but it's not going
[1:15:41] to make it better. So just
[1:15:42] to let you know, currently in
[1:15:44] Florida shores there's 92 boxes
[1:15:45] that I've identified. I've
[1:15:46] looked at 53
[1:15:48] of them so far and 20 do have
[1:15:50] some form of a cut,
[1:15:52] whether it's 6 inches or all
[1:15:54] the way down to the bottom
[1:15:55] of the box. So we will address
[1:15:57] that once I'm done doing all
[1:15:59] the inspections. But just want
[1:16:00] to make sure that everybody
[1:16:02] knows what we're,
[1:16:03] what we're dealing with here.
[1:16:04] So I know there's a lot,
[1:16:06] there's some videos and stuff
[1:16:07] that people are sharing that
[1:16:08] are false information. So just
[1:16:09] want
[1:16:11] to make sure you're all aware
[1:16:12] of that.
[1:16:14] >> Thank you. Any further
[1:16:18] on your report?
[1:16:19] >> And Sean, we were given 60
[1:16:21] days
[1:16:22] to do that inventory.
[1:16:24] >> Yes, 60 days
[1:16:25] for the inspection. And then
[1:16:26] once I put together a plan, it
[1:16:28] could be sooner. I'll let the
[1:16:29] state know and we'll give them
[1:16:30] our plan for whatever time we
[1:16:31] think it'll take to,
[1:16:32] to patch. You know,
[1:16:35] at this point, you know,
[1:16:36] if it's half the boxes or
[1:16:37] whatever,
[1:16:38] it ends up being.
[1:16:39] >> We'll talk later. I,
[1:16:42] I got another request related
[1:16:44] to that.
[1:16:51] >> That'S all we had. And this
[1:16:53] week, this Thursday and
[1:16:56] Saturday, or just Saturday?
[1:16:59] Thursday and Saturday. Next
[1:17:01] round of public participation
[1:17:02] in our process for Ryan's
[1:17:05] project.
[1:17:08] >> Okay, thank you. Item 12,
[1:17:12] citizens comments.
[1:17:20] >> Chuck Martin, 2 of 5
[1:17:21] Chairwood Lane. Just one more
[1:17:23] tonight. Now, you guys were
[1:17:25] hoping I would get back up here
[1:17:27] tonight. Seen some great
[1:17:32] progress. I haven't seen
[1:17:33] progress
[1:17:35] like this ever. I just want
[1:17:38] to give a shout out to Mr.
[1:17:39] Brown and his team because a
[1:17:42] lot of people don't know what's
[1:17:43] going on out there. Now that
[1:17:44] he's publicly, you know,
[1:17:46] putting it out there where
[1:17:47] people can see it,
[1:17:48] it's making a difference. And
[1:17:50] these guys are, they're doing a
[1:17:52] great job. I've been kind
[1:17:53] of looking
[1:17:54] at what they're doing. They're
[1:17:55] doing great with amount of
[1:17:57] people that they have and
[1:17:58] hopefully we can up that
[1:17:59] in the future. But I wanted
[1:18:01] to get back to the county thing
[1:18:02] because I know the county had
[1:18:03] offered us some help I know
[1:18:04] they had you know helped us
[1:18:06] with some cleaning
[1:18:08] out some culverts but I haven't
[1:18:10] seen any grade all or graders
[1:18:11] or anything I know that I
[1:18:13] talked to Mr. Thurman when he
[1:18:14] first come on and he had
[1:18:18] mentioned man it'd be great
[1:18:22] to have a motor grader to run
[1:18:23] down the sides a lot of these
[1:18:25] streets and just cut a swell
[1:18:26] and scoop that stuff up and
[1:18:27] that can happen pretty quick
[1:18:29] and I know he's got some great
[1:18:30] ideas there
[1:18:32] but is there any updates on the
[1:18:33] county helping us you know
[1:18:34] because hurricane seasons come
[1:18:36] and helping us dig some of
[1:18:37] these ditches and cut some
[1:18:38] swells and if there is do they
[1:18:40] charge us
[1:18:42] for that or are they just going
[1:18:44] to a good faith to help us
[1:18:45] out or is there any information
[1:18:46] on that?
[1:18:50] >> Thank you sir, for your
[1:18:54] comments, no further
[1:18:55] citizens comments we are
[1:18:57] adjourned.