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If we could come to order, when the clerk tells me we're ready, we're ready. Okay, we're rolling. So, if I can get your attention up here, and we'll come to order.

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Thank you. Very good. First step is roll call. If the clerk will call.

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Councilmember San Antonio.

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Present.

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Councilmember Schaefer.

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Councilmember O'Hara.

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Deputy Mayor Lines.

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Here.

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Record will show that all members of the City Council are present this evening.

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Item three is the pledge of allegiance.

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If you can rise, please rise and join me in the pledge of allegiance.

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Ready?

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Again.

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I'd like to thank you.

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I'd like to thank you.

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I'd like to thank you.

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I'd like to thank you.

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And to the Republic for which it stands.

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The first one is presentation of the Proclamation for Red Ribbon Week, and then followed by the Quarterly Sheriff's Update and the Quarterly Fire Department update. So we'll start with Proclamation for Red Ribbon Week.

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Thank you. Can everybody hear me? And if Nancy, if you could come up, Nancy Logan is going to help me up here.

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Do you want to hold these? You want me to hold them?

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Or actually, when I hold them, you explain, we're going to start out with a little explanation of what Reb had read. Red, Reb in week.

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That's always a tongue twister. Anyway, thank you everyone. I am Nancy Logan,

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I was saying to get a alliance for drug for youth,

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and we partner with the school district,

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and the city on Red Ribbon Week every year.

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Does everyone know what Red Ribbon Week is?

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Sometimes they don't.

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Don't I get any yes from everyone?

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No, no, no.

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This is wonderful.

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You don't know?

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I'll tell you.

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Uh, in 1985, a DEA agent in Rica, Camarina,

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was kidnapped by the drug cartel, and tortured and murdered,

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and he was from Imperial Valley.

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And his family all rallied around, and they wore red ribbons around their arms in support

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of him and to, you know, build a world against alcohol drugs, and in those days, President

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Reagan was our president and he got on board and now ever since then throughout the entire

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country, Red Ribbon Week is celebrated in support of the healthy drug free lifestyle and it's

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nationwide and we call it celebrate because we like to see people living a healthy lifestyle.

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Okay, and yeah, and so I'm not going to put you through listening to about 10 or 11 times

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whatever it is.

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So the same proclamation for each of the schools but we're going to bring up a representative

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from at least one from each school and first go through presenting them to each school.

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So did you want to announce,

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I was going to read it at the end.

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Let's say everybody's up here.

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That's good.

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So.

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So.

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We have to wait.

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What we will do is I have representatives from many, many of the schools, not everyone could

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I will call the school and then students if you want to come up and say your name and what

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grade you in when I call your school and then you can shake hands with the mayor and he'll give

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you a proclamation.

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San Diego Academy High School,

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Lacoste Canyon High School.

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We're in there.

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You always have to have a group picture.

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I just tell you what.

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Stand up here.

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Oh, two of you, very good.

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Okay, I just have to tell you kudos about these three young women.

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For the past month and ongoing,

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I have many, many, many seniors from Lacoste Canyon in San Diego Academy.

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They are visiting elementary schools and they speak to fifth and sixth grade.

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legislators in an assembly about their good choice to have never used alcohol tobacco or drugs.

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And these kids and many others are visiting the elementary schools.

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Did you get any new middle school?

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My name is Fisher Nelson. I'm in seventh grade.

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My name is Morty Mason. I'm in seventh grade.

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Joseph and I'm in sixth grade my name is Amila and I'm in fourth grade

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is Jack Masina and I'm in sixth grade

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My name is Luke Masina and I'm in fourth grade.

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We've cost a height elementary

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name is Alex and I'm in sixth grade

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My name is Jackson. I'm in sixth grade.

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with that I need one of these to read. So what we'll do is we'll read and then I'm going to

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bring the rest of the council down. We'll get a picture. We'll probably have to squeeze in a little bit.

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So ready? You guys ready? Yeah. Proclamation, Red Ribbon Week. Whereas alcohol and drug abuse

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affect individuals, families, and communities across the nation and whereas we recognize the

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overwhelming financial burden to society of alcohol, tobacco, and other drugs, and whereas

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we recognize it's negative impact on the health and success of our community, especially

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our youth, and whereas it is imperative that visible unified efforts by community members

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be launched to prevent drug abuse, and whereas Red Ribbon Week, I'll get it right

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by the end.

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Offer citizens the opportunity to demonstrate their commitment to drug-free lifestyles and

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wear as schools, businesses, government, law enforcement, media, health care providers,

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religious institutions and other community-based organizations will demonstrate their commitment

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to healthy, drug-free lifestyles by wearing red ribbons and participating in drug prevention

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activities.

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And now therefore I, Bruce A. Alers, Mayor of the City of Nceneetus, and along with all the city council members do here by proclaim that the city of Nceneetus joins other cities throughout the nation to declare the week of October 23rd to October 31st as Red Ribbon Week at all these schools in the each of their own and encourage all citizens to join our commitment to a healthy drug free community in which

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in which to raise a generation of healthy drug for youth. Thank you.

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Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you. And as I leave quietly, we'll continue going. First up, presentation of the quarterly sheriffs update from Captain Watts.

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Good evening. Thank you very much, Mayor and Council. I appreciate the time that I get to share with you the hard work that are dedicated.

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deputies have been doing out in the community.

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For example, we have Michael Whitney, who is with our community-oriented and policing and

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problem-solving unit, our cops unit.

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He works late at night making sure that the issues in our downtown area and around town,

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that he's addressing those promptly, and then we also have detective Ryan with us tonight too.

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So I've definitely appreciate the hard work

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that these two gentlemen do for us,

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along with the other deputies are out patrolling.

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And with that, we'll kick off the presentation.

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When we were looking at our overall crimes against persons,

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the year 2025, year to date compared to 2024,

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I am proudly able to say that we've seen a decrease by 12%.

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I think that that is important.

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And sometimes, I feel like that is supported by that proactive work that the deputies are

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out there doing.

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Are taking out of the overall crimes against persons when we just look at assaults,

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assaults have decreased also by 12%.

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If you do see that the increase in August and September, I was a little kind of wanted

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a little deeper on that. Why did we have that increase? And it looked like what I was able

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to find was in August, five of those assaults were actually against our deputies. So they were

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victims of assaults themselves. And then going into September, for whatever reason, our domestic

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violence cases went up by double. And then we also had seven additional assaults on our

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activities. So that contributed to a large amount of that spike.

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And then moving along, crimes against property. Overall, crimes against our property

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has decreased by 24 percent. And that is, I think, related to our, you know, patrolling

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our business districts, really being out in the community, doing those extra patrols,

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put patrols and over at our retail centers by being a presence.

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Bergories have decreased by 30% year-to-date compared to this time last year.

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And with that, I will say that we are starting to go back to it's getting darker earlier.

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And so we have adjusted some resources to stay ahead of, we've had that South American

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that usually starts becoming active during this time

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because they take advantage of that nighttime coming quicker

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so they can access backyards from trails,

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they look for lights to be off

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and then they jump back fence and break into homes.

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So we have adjusted some resources to make sure

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that we have more additional resources out there during those times.

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We've also put out some ghost cars out in the community so that it looks like a visual

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deterrence.

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So that if we do have people that are coming from out of town that are driving through

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our communities, looking for an easy target that they will see those cars and go elsewhere.

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So I think that with that pro-activeness, I think that with the 30% decrease, I think we

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been able to stay ahead of it and I hope that that will continue for the remainder of the year.

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Our vehicle thefts have also decreased by 20%. Also with the vehicle theft, the catalytic

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converters that's been a little bit of a concern due to the heavy metal prices increasing.

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A lot of times they will target those catalytic converters.

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So that we can get out some of those precious metals. So I think with our additional presence, those extra patrols and our neighborhoods, I'm hoping that that will continue to be decreased as we go out throughout the year and finish the year up.

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Our varsity, petty theft, shoplifting, that's also decreased by 12%. We've really worked with our retail establishments to do proactive details.

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to be more of a presence in their parking lots

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to deter those types of crimes.

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Proactive measures.

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So calls for service, the way the chart should read

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is as our calls for service decrease,

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then my expectation is that our deputy initiated activities

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increase.

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So if they're not responding to as many radio calls,

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911 calls that their proactivity within our community

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should, they should have more time to do proactive responses and activities.

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So as you can see, our calls for service, they actually did increase by 8%, but our

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deputy initiated activities, and as you know, even last year, when I took over a command,

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that was one of my priorities, was to make sure that we were proactive and that we were

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out in the community being proactive.

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So last year we saw quite a big improvement and so I had challenged the deputies the station to let's even go on top of that

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So it's build on that and continue to be out there and we have increased it by a staggering 67%

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Which I couldn't be more proud of the men and women that are out there protecting our community

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I really I really appreciate that and I know that

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The community is such a driving force and the deputies with the response being a part of the community has been just so rewarding.

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So we'll continue those efforts, but I was so proud when I saw that 67%.

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Our arrest have decreased by 4% compared to this time last year, and then moving along.

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These are also those proactive measures, so are under the influence, are intoxicated individuals

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that are out in the community by being proactive a lot of times.

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This is our downtown details that we're doing for the Friday Saturday nights and now that

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we've entered into the sports football season, some of that is going to be Monday nights

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Thursday nights as well, but our goal is when we see those individuals that are either under

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the influence of illegal substances, or they have consumed alcohol to the point that they

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are no longer able to care for themselves, that we intervene and make sure that for one, most

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importantly, they're not going to get behind a wheel. And two, we can make sure that they're not

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going to continue to drink and then become a call for service for me, or the fire department.

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So it's important that we intervene and make those arrest when we see individuals that are exhibiting that behavior.

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And then below that, these are the municipal codes that we have started to enforce this year with the city and the council support.

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All these are the ones that we have actually done misdemeanor arrest for that have gone to the city attorney's office for prosecution.

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So, as you can see, camping on public property, we've arrested 72 individuals.

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Private property 11, the use of vehicle, this is when we're out there in the night, and we see people

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that are sleeping and camping in their vehicles.

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We're contacting them, we've arrested 10 and so on.

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And then on the other side, this just represents this chart represents the amount of municipal

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codes that we have enforced this year. And as you can see, that chart is continuing to grow.

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And there wasn't really anything to compare it to for 2024. So that's why we don't have

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a comparison. But we have taken these quality of life issues and we have really prioritized

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those so that we can make change and we can improve the quality of life for the community.

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So that shows that we are taking a proactive measure and then below that are going to be some of the other municipal codes that we have started to enforce the parking of recreational vehicles.

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We've had 117 citations, the smoking prohibition 39, and then the vending, that's actually a vehicle code, but we found that we were able to use that for the individuals that are on our off ramps that are asking for donations money, so we've been using that code to enforce those.

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our traffic enforcement. So another one, you know, we would think that is our citations and

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our enforcement activity increases. I would hope that we would be able to reflect that we've

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had a decrease in collisions. So people are more aware, they're paying more attention that

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hopefully our collisions go down. And that is what we have seen. Our DUI arrests did increase

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because we were very proactive and we're continuing to be proactive and making those traffic

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stops at night and getting the impaired drivers off our roads prior to a collision. Our traffic

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collisions overall have decreased by 9% and then our citations have increased by 10%. And then

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I did break down on the actual collisions, what they involve.

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So motor vehicle, that's going to be a vehicle on vehicle, a fixed object, that can be

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anything that is other than a vehicle like a pull around about anything like that.

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Park motor vehicles, as you can see.

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But I think that with the proactive measures that we have done, I'm hopeful that, you

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I don't like that the enforcement has to be the mechanism for change, but I recognize that

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it is important, but if we could just have the community and driver behavior, recognize

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how important it is to follow those roadway, the speeds, stopping at those stop lights,

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before, you know, at the red stopping at stop signs,

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giving right away to the bicyclist.

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That's really the overall goal is to change that driver behavior.

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Our cop steam has been busy as Deputy Whitney will contest to,

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but they have been doing a lot of our shoplifting details,

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where they will actually be undercover.

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They will work with the retail establishments

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to catch the individuals that are in their store that are shoplifting from them.

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We've done several of those, and out of those, there were six arrests for individuals

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that were shoplifting from our retail establishments. ABC minor decoys in the shoulder taps.

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For me, one of the most important things is protecting our youth, and part of protecting our youth,

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like the Red Ribbon Week is keeping those illegal substances away from our children and out of their hands.

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So the ABC minor decoys are something that we're going to continue to do, and it's important because, you know, we do get one of these, actually,

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was a report from the community that one of the, one of their children said, hey everybody talks

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about they go to this place that they want to get alcohol. That's concerning. So we immediately

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did put together an undercover operation where we sent in a juvenile under our direction under our

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watch and they were successfully able to buy alcohol from the establishment. So there is obviously

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records, we arrested the clerk, and then the establishments itself gets a fine for ABC.

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So we have done several of those, and those resulted in four arrests. One of those four

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arrests was actually a repeat offender, so the person got arrested a second time. And then

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the establishment got a second notice from ABC. But these are all things that are extremely

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important, the shoulder tap, that's when we have underaged youth that are in the parking lot,

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that are asking patrons as they come in, that are over 21 to make a purchase for them.

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And that did result in one or less. We did have a patron that

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bought the alcohol to give to that minor. So the more that we can do with these,

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to keep these substance in the out of our youth.

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I just don't know what more are how important that can be

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and we will continue those efforts.

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Also, the Alcohol Over Service, we do go into our establishments in the evening to monitor, observe,

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to make sure that these establishments are not over-serving patrons that have, or exhibiting

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sides of already being intoxicated. So we'll continue to those. Those did not result in any

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violations, but that's something that we will continue to push forward.

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And then our incident is downtown detail.

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That is the Friday Saturday that we have our deputies that are down there.

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They're really walking around, being a visible presence.

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A lot of it is just education and interacting with the community, but it did result in five

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rest, two of them ended up being DUI-related because the individual actually got in their car

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and tried to back up and one hit a sign and the other the deputies were able to intervene

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before they were able to drive away. So we did have five arrests in those. Our community events,

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that's something that we're doing all the time. Today we actually did ice cream with the community

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that was a great event. I love doing those. And then we're obviously we're putting on trainings.

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We go to our local schools and do trainings for them. The downtown walks, that's something

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that, as you all know, is another very important to me. And that's when myself, our tenants,

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our cops team, we just walk downtown. We check in with all our business owners or their employees

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to make sure that they are in, they're feeling like it's a safe environment for themselves

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and for their patrons. It gives us the opportunity to have those face-to-face relationships that

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now, it's almost a first-name relationship, which I so much appreciate. But it allows us to

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understand the concerns and be able to proactively address those concerns immediately. We don't

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have to wait for it to fester and become a bigger issue.

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So those have been very rewarding and it actually reached our neighboring cities and now they

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have requested it too, so I'm getting a lot of walks in.

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I'm hoping that I'll lose some good, better shape, but it's been rewarding.

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And then once again, our school presentations, we have our own details and then our past details.

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But the unit itself is responsible for 35 felony arrests.

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A lot of those are going to be our proactive cases that they're following up on,

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or when they're out in the community.

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And then misdemeanor arrests 97.

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So that's a big number for a unit.

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So they are out there. They're working hard.

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And then I always put these in there because bicycle safety is so important.

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and it's so important, not just for our youth or for our adults that are writing the bicycles,

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but when our parents are making the decisions to buy these electric bikes, I want them

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to have the education to know what they are buying and what is legal, what is not legal,

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we have a lot of, let me go to the next one, the e-motor cycles, that's one that we see

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out there, we are being very proactive with our enforcement on these e-motor cycles.

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A lot of these have the capability of 60 miles an hour, and it's alarming when we see,

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you know, a youth on, that doesn't even have a driver's license that has a vehicle that is

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capable of going 60 miles an hour, and it does require a motorcycle license.

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It's not legally

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motorcycles when we do come in contact with them and then, of course, we notify the parents.

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These are just some pictures, some fun pictures from some of our community events that we do.

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And then focuses for 2025.

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This has changed, you know, there's one thing about our community as they rise up, we've had

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some challenges, we've had some issues as a community and this community rises and roadway

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safety, and vision zero is going to be a top priority for me.

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Making sure that our roadways are safe for all that use them, and the goal of vision zero

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will be a priority.

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One life is one, two matters.

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Thank you.

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But I will say that this community is a community that wants to be a part of the solicitor.

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This is not just a law enforcement issue. It's not a city issue. It's not an elected official issue. It is a community issue. And, you know, I don't always have the answers, and I'm not afraid to say that I'm not the smartest person in the room, but I'm smart enough to surround myself with the smartest people. And this community has provided that for me. They've come, they've met with me, they've offered advice and solicitation.

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that we could work together to address these issues, and I can't, I couldn't be more thankful for that.

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And I hope that I hope they feel and understand that House and Sierra I am when I say that.

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This is a community issue, and if we don't address as a community, then I don't think, I think we get a lot further if we do.

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So I'm very appreciative of that DUI enforcement.

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The city has funded two more deputies that will be for DUI enforcement for our night shifts.

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They will also be doing extra enforcement, but it's going to be important for me that

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when people come here to visit our establishments,

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that they understand that if they get behind a vehicle,

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while intoxicated, there's a very high likelihood

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they will be stopped and they will be arrested.

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There's other options, there's ride shares,

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there is no excuse.

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And you know, I always cringe when people say,

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oh, it's a DUI accident.

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There's no accident when you're under the influence

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of alcohol and you choose to get behind a wheel.

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That is not an accident, you made that choice.

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So, we are going to take a zero tolerance on that, and I'm excited, I actually will go before

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the Board of Supervisors next week to get the final approval from the Board of Supervisors

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so that we can go ahead and put people in place for those positions.

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So, thank you for the support for that.

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And then our e-bike education enforcement, you know, a lot of it, it really is education.

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I hope that the parents that are here, that they have seen us at the schools, they have

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seen us interacting with the children who are writing these bikes.

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We were all kids once I get it, but we want them to be safe.

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So we are constantly giving that education, providing that foundation for them to keep them

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safe.

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On the other side of that, there is enforcement when it needs to happen, but we will reach out

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to the parents.

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When we do that, it's usually a last case option for us, I would rather the child right

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away knowing that what they were doing probably wasn't smart and they can learn from that.

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And then obviously our unhoused outreach and enforcement will continue to do that in partnership

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with the city, but I am proud that our roadway safety and vision zero is at the top of our

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and you have my commitment that we will continue to adjust those resources to make our roadway

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safer for all.

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And then here's some resources I put this up every time just in case people

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have questions on the non-emergency line or if they would like to submit a crime stoppers tip

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and one of those ABC details with one of these establishments. Excuse me actually did come through

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crime stoppers tip, so very thankful for that.

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You also have the Mayance Anita sap.

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Thank you for all those who use it.

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We definitely appreciate it.

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And with that, that concludes the presentation

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and open up for questions.

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We have questions of clarification.

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I think we have one public speaker.

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Yes, we do.

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So why don't we take the one public speaker there, OK?

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I'll remember.

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That was a fantastic report.

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I wish I had seen it before.

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But I'm here mostly because I observed and watched the mobility and traffic safety meeting the other night and there were some things that came up that I think could and should be addressed maybe even right now.

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There seem to be some confusion over what is an incident versus what is an accident and at what point does an accident not be an accident but be an incident.

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Also, a question of the citations,

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and this is probably because sometimes...

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You could have an overcount. If you have, okay, so there's a guy and he's driving your radically and he rolls through the stop sign and he gets pulled over and it turns out he doesn't have a ballot license plate.

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He doesn't have registration, he doesn't have insurance. And there's a pipe and a baggy on the seat next to him. So is all of that one or is that five or six citations in one incident?

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or I just don't, I would like to know, to get the count right, how many are we talking

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because we don't want to, to overcount, but we don't want to undercount either, so that

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we kind of know how many scoff laws do we really have? Is it a handful, dozens, hundreds?

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And furthermore, something that came up was, and the deputy said that it could be done,

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is to know the residents of the people in these because we are a transit major place for the

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I-5 for Carl's Bad and Vista and other cities and we will always be that but we need to

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education only goes so far so we do need to enforce our laws and that's it for now. Thank you.

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Okay, and I don't know. Do you want to explain me? That's a good question.

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That's a great question. So for the purpose of my presentation, one citation was counted as one.

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However, on that citation, there could be multiple offenses.

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So like what was just said, we could pull somebody over

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for running a stop sign, however, they have a suspended license,

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or any other kind of infraction that would have been cited.

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So the Mobility Commission had asked for a further breakdown,

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so they could really quantify the number.

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So that was why they really dissected those.

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Instead of just saying, we had this many citations

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to help answer that question.

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The vehicle collision versus incident.

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So if we get called to private property between two drivers

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and they decide to do an infinite change

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and they do not require our actual police report,

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then that would be an incident.

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So what would generate a collision would be

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when we go ahead and initiate an investigation

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and provide a collision report for those.

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So, I hope that clarifies because we do get called quite a bit

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for, and sometimes it can be passerby's that observe the collision

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and then we respond and either they're no longer there,

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or they said, oh, you know, we're exchanging our insurance

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information and don't require a crime report.

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So that would be another incident.

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And then the resident, we didn't have, or we do not have the mechanism in place that really captures

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our inputting of the citation on whether the person is a resident or non-resident.

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However, that's a perfect example of what was brought to our attention by the community saying,

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you know, that would be very helpful so that we could see if, you know, our offenses are being

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committed by commuters that are just traveling through our city or if it is our residents.

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So I had directed our traffic division to try to quantify those and when they are going

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through the citations manually to recognize and identify the drivers home address so that we

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could try to capture that. I think that's an excellent idea and I think that's a statistical

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report that would it would be helpful and beneficial.

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Excellent. Thank you. With that council member

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O'Hara.

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Thank you. Great report and we appreciate all that you're doing. It's clear that

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you don't have, you know, how many times to sleep. I just cover two quick questions on the report.

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You mentioned the increase of 60-70% initiated activity and how that leads to lower

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arrest rates.

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And I just want to be able to elaborate maybe give an example for people who are wanting

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how that correlates with what that means.

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Yeah, so if we've been extremely proactive in the community, it is hard to quantify

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by us being proactive what we've actually prevented from happening.

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So I think by our pro-activity, by being out in those community, out in the community, and some of the hard work that we did earlier.

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On this year with our enforcement of our municipal codes and some of those intoxication, under the influence, I do think that we have seen a result in a drop in that behavior.

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But I think it was because we took a very zero tolerance stance and we proactively addressed it.

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super appreciate the explanation. And then just kind of following through in a couple of

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the questions where we talked about or you mentioned the not always wanting an enforcement to

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be first you know I think it's important for all of us to remind everybody that in a lot of these

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instances that we see around the city there was a service first approach in certain cases when it's

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applicable and I was wondering do we do we track percent I thought at one point we tracked

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percentage accepted to services and percentage declined, do we still do that or is that something

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we could do in the future?

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So the sheriff's office doesn't, that's when we refer those individuals over to the city

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for the case workers?

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Correct.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Because that'll be something we can refer, sheriff will refer to case workers when they

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come in and we'll be able to track that.

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Yes, we will be bringing our case management outreach to City Council in November for approval

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And yes, they will definitely work with the hope team.

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And we will track that as well as we are using the HMIS system.

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Fantastic.

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I appreciate it.

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You guys are keep up a good work and we're grateful for your service.

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So I look at the time we're spending on this.

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But then I also look at the budget we spend on these two departments.

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And it is over 40% of our budget.

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So I actually think we probably haven't spent enough time

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hearing and interacting with both of you to focus on this

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because it's probably one of the main things most citizens want to know.

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00:41:52,830 --> 00:41:56,050
So, Bravo and I appreciate the time we're taking.

445
00:41:56,810 --> 00:42:00,650
And you gave the status, are the two new traffic deputies?

446
00:42:00,950 --> 00:42:03,550
Are they on board and do they have cars?

447
00:42:03,730 --> 00:42:05,630
And are they hitting the ground running now?

448
00:42:05,650 --> 00:42:08,270
Because it was as of July 1st for the budget item.

449
00:42:08,510 --> 00:42:08,870
Correct.

450
00:42:09,070 --> 00:42:13,330
So we had to bring that those positions before the county board of supervisors

451
00:42:13,330 --> 00:42:18,050
for approval, even though they are funded and budgeted by the city.

452
00:42:18,050 --> 00:42:26,170
We still need the board of supervisors to be able to give us those positions, but I do have that here in next week

453
00:42:26,170 --> 00:42:33,070
I'm so I'm hopeful that it's on consent. Okay, we'll see yeah, and then and then and then we can start the

454
00:42:33,610 --> 00:42:40,670
To hire those and you need a city council member or mayor to show up at the meeting or any citizens to show up

455
00:42:40,670 --> 00:42:44,870
You know, we're there to support you I love all the you've been keeping busy

456
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:54,050
There's no doubt about it, but I didn't hear you mention the maximum enforcement efforts that we've done five monthly, went done one a month, so if you could give a little background on that.

457
00:42:54,590 --> 00:42:56,690
Yeah, thank you very much for bringing that up.

458
00:42:57,630 --> 00:43:05,410
One of the strategies that we looked at to try to maximize our resources out in the community for our roadway safety.

459
00:43:06,350 --> 00:43:14,410
We were looking at how can we get more enforcement and get the driver behavior to change?

460
00:43:15,230 --> 00:43:29,390
So, looking at our resources, we started a target enforcement, we were picking one day a month and it started out with our, for example, our detective units who are usually suit and tie.

461
00:43:30,110 --> 00:43:36,550
They were getting a dressing and uniform, getting a patrol cars, our cops teams were also out there.

462
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:43,510
So by the time we went through the station, it gave us an extra 18 to 20 cars that were out

463
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:48,830
in our community doing a focused enforcement on our roadway safety.

464
00:43:49,830 --> 00:43:56,690
It expanded from there, then I got a little selfish and I reached out to our other stations

465
00:43:56,690 --> 00:44:03,930
within the Sheriff's Office, Vista, Sam Marcos, Poway, and I asked for some of their resources

466
00:44:03,930 --> 00:44:06,690
to come in and they did provide those resources.

467
00:44:07,010 --> 00:44:13,710
So we had an additional 15 to 20 motors, but I wasn't satisfied yet.

468
00:44:13,850 --> 00:44:21,110
So then I reached out to some of our surrounding partners, our agencies, Oceanside Carlsbad

469
00:44:21,110 --> 00:44:26,670
San Diego Police Department, true of his stuff, and so on, and asked if they would provide

470
00:44:26,670 --> 00:44:30,090
us with some of their personnel to help us.

471
00:44:30,090 --> 00:44:34,630
and they graciously did and at the last one that we did,

472
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:40,770
we had over 40 motors from all over the county that were here to help us.

473
00:44:41,330 --> 00:44:43,510
So I was very much appreciative of that.

474
00:44:43,650 --> 00:44:46,510
This is an effort that we will continue to do,

475
00:44:47,010 --> 00:44:48,410
because I do think it's important.

476
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:53,230
And I do think that the drivers have recognized it.

477
00:44:53,230 --> 00:44:54,250
It's hard not to.

478
00:44:54,370 --> 00:44:55,990
I was getting on the last one.

479
00:44:56,490 --> 00:44:57,830
I had people from the community.

480
00:44:57,830 --> 00:44:59,870
my family was sending

481
00:45:02,340 --> 00:45:25,500
And it was nothing but enforcement enforcement all over the entire city. Some of them were poking fun at me. But I think that ultimately what we're trying to do is just bring attention to our roadways and the safety of everybody that's on it. And it has seemed to be very positive.

482
00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:42,300
Yeah. And then just a couple more comments from me, the, I've done the walk along, I walked along with you rather than a right along, I've done right along, too. And not only was it a great experience to walk along and talk to the business owners with, with the sheriff and with the various deputies.

483
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:55,280
I've noticed now as I interact with people downtown, the downtown business owners. They're beginning to see it. They're getting used to seeing deputies come in and their developing relationships that, that the information flows.

484
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:02,060
much better. So Bravo, keep it up. We talked a lot about enforcement, but that doesn't mean we're

485
00:46:02,060 --> 00:46:07,080
still not doing the hope. And so every time you do a homeless action, you actually go out there

486
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:12,700
with a cross-functional team and we offer services to those people too. So I don't want to lose

487
00:46:12,700 --> 00:46:17,760
sight of that but along with the enforcement is necessary. And then my last comment, and by the way,

488
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:23,600
thank you, this is wonderful. Can you put the PowerPoint online and email it to us too so we can

489
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,580
have that. I appreciate that. And with that, Deputy Mayor lines.

490
00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:35,960
Thank you. Thank you, Captain Watts, for your good work. I did want to touch on something

491
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:40,640
that I didn't hear in your presentation, because I think it's really notable. And that

492
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:46,680
is how responsive you've been when we've had the issue of our ice activities here in

493
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:54,500
need us recently. I appreciate that you've reached out to the community to make sure that you're

494
00:46:54,500 --> 00:47:03,120
visible and that you're there to protect our residents and that they if they ever feel threatened

495
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:10,520
are always to call on you and your deputies to come. And you're helping to educate all of us on

496
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:16,660
What we can do locally and then what the rights are of the federal agents as well.

497
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:27,300
So I encourage you and your team to continue to help us understand that and to continue to be available to the community as we need you.

498
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:36,760
I know that we've developed improved communication with our federal agent leaders and that you're the primary contact.

499
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:41,900
And I just want to give you a good pat on the back for that.

500
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:43,980
And please keep up that good work.

501
00:47:44,740 --> 00:47:50,140
I do also want to call out that on October 29th at noon,

502
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,500
you are doing one of your community outreach events

503
00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:55,720
at the Cardiff Library.

504
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,420
And I think if I remember correctly,

505
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,140
this is hosted by the Cardiff 101 Business Association,

506
00:48:01,580 --> 00:48:05,120
but businesses and residents are welcome to come.

507
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:12,780
everyone's welcome to come again that's October 29th at the Cardiff Library and it is what

508
00:48:12,780 --> 00:48:18,360
can your sheriff do for you? So you're really asking the question and you want to listen to what

509
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,960
the public input is. All right, thank you.

510
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:23,840
Council Member Sever. Thank you.

511
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:29,320
phenomenal report and obviously the efforts are paying out and it's the professionalism is at the top

512
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,520
notch across the board of the gentleman sitting there so we couldn't thank you enough. That

513
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,360
resources, it's been set up here all the other stuff, but the resources of slide that you

514
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:42,220
just put up, that one, can we get either business cards so that as we do the walkthrough

515
00:48:42,220 --> 00:48:46,620
so that businesses have a place to either put it somewhere so it's visible or a stack

516
00:48:46,620 --> 00:48:51,920
that people can take and could we also add that to the app and make sure that that gets,

517
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:58,200
that this should be a primary location for people to get this resource and not to go flying

518
00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:59,900
in the moment that they need that type of thing.

519
00:49:00,500 --> 00:49:01,280
So really appreciate everything.

520
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:02,780
Thank you.

521
00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:06,120
OK, with that, I think we're done with this item.

522
00:49:06,220 --> 00:49:07,020
Thank you.

523
00:49:07,020 --> 00:49:08,680
And we'll move on to the fire department.

524
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:15,660
Good evening, Mayor.

525
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:16,760
Deputy Mayor, Council members.

526
00:49:17,300 --> 00:49:19,280
It's a tough act to follow with Captain Watts.

527
00:49:19,820 --> 00:49:22,300
Usually I would take this moment to make

528
00:49:22,300 --> 00:49:23,760
a fun of how long he took.

529
00:49:25,300 --> 00:49:30,880
But instead, I'm going to give him a little bit of props here,

530
00:49:31,940 --> 00:49:34,700
because the amount of work that our sheriff's due

531
00:49:34,700 --> 00:49:36,880
is amazing with how many people now they have.

532
00:49:37,220 --> 00:49:40,400
And the more the prevention side that they do

533
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:41,740
and the enforcement side that they do,

534
00:49:42,260 --> 00:49:45,540
it helps us on our side with lower medical aids

535
00:49:45,540 --> 00:49:49,600
and traffic collisions and it gives my team

536
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,040
out on the floor some time to breathe as well.

537
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,120
So the collaboration we have with our sheriff's partners

538
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,020
and the fire department is, it's priceless.

539
00:49:59,020 --> 00:49:59,960
So I

540
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:05,620
I just want to thank them for all their work. I know they do a lot and we see it in the fire stations as well.

541
00:50:06,980 --> 00:50:15,820
But with that, thank you for having us. We're going to go over our data. Probably not as in detail because we don't have as much time as Captain Wastuk.

542
00:50:17,500 --> 00:50:28,380
But with January to September, year to date, we don't have all of our October data yet. It hasn't come in yet, but we'll bring you through a September of all of our response data.

543
00:50:28,380 --> 00:50:32,680
And I'm actually going to turn it over to Deputy Chief Sanchez to present this information

544
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:33,180
tonight.

545
00:50:35,550 --> 00:50:35,710
All right.

546
00:50:35,730 --> 00:50:36,510
Thank you, Chief.

547
00:50:37,290 --> 00:50:41,370
Council of Mayor, Deputy Mayor, Jorge Sanchez, your Deputy Fire Chief.

548
00:50:41,590 --> 00:50:45,890
I'll go over the last nine months of this calendar year.

549
00:50:46,050 --> 00:50:50,330
I'll be presenting some fire department operations and incident response patterns.

550
00:50:50,810 --> 00:50:55,890
Mutual aid exchanges and performance metrics of the last nine months.

551
00:50:56,130 --> 00:51:00,010
Starting January 1st through the end of September 30th.

552
00:51:01,740 --> 00:51:10,620
In the city of Encinitas, the Encinitas Fire Department actually responded to 6,114 incidents from that time frame.

553
00:51:11,300 --> 00:51:23,480
As you can see here in this slide here, we have 72% of those calls were medical incidents that accounted for 4,406 medical emergencies.

554
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:28,760
We also had a variety of other calls, vehicle collisions, 438.

555
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:39,340
We had 7% that were alarms and 5.7% which equated to approximately 351 fire incidents that we responded to.

556
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:48,260
Now the 6,114 calls, they were in jurisdiction and out of jurisdiction.

557
00:51:48,660 --> 00:51:51,220
We'll get into that a little bit more of what that means.

558
00:51:52,620 --> 00:51:55,260
This is a detailed incident break down.

559
00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:01,200
If you guys see your packet there, it's probably not the cover page, but page two of

560
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:01,940
it.

561
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:06,180
You'll see a breakdown of the 6,114 calls.

562
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,520
This is a synopsis of the priority categories.

563
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,660
We have fire and medical as well as other incidents.

564
00:52:14,780 --> 00:52:20,780
But once again, this kind of goes over the categories that we responded out of the 6,114

565
00:52:20,780 --> 00:52:29,280
incidents. 93 were incidents of structure fires, 113 other fires, we had some vegetation fires

566
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:39,160
as well. We had vehicle fires and 424,000, 207 medical responses with an additional 136

567
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:46,200
medical stage calls. Hazardous conditions, rescue operations, and service assist calls

568
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,600
with throughout our jurisdiction.

569
00:52:51,150 --> 00:52:54,570
This year goes over the jurisdictional response summary.

570
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:59,910
Out of the 6,114 calls that we responded to.

571
00:53:00,210 --> 00:53:04,490
5,237 of them were unique to the C events in the US.

572
00:53:04,650 --> 00:53:05,730
That was within our jurisdiction.

573
00:53:06,270 --> 00:53:09,170
However, we do have mutual and automatic

574
00:53:09,170 --> 00:53:11,150
agreements with surrounding agencies.

575
00:53:11,890 --> 00:53:14,810
So we did extend our services to Carl's

576
00:53:14,810 --> 00:53:20,750
at Ranch of the Center face on a beach, Delmar, and other agencies, which includes San Diego

577
00:53:20,750 --> 00:53:25,810
City, and in some cases, other agencies to the north of us here in the north zone.

578
00:53:26,690 --> 00:53:35,250
As you can see that, we did respond to 399 incidents to Carl's Bad, 146 to Ranch of the

579
00:53:35,250 --> 00:53:42,170
Center face, Solana Beach, 122, and what you don't see here, we also responded 70 to Delmar

580
00:53:42,170 --> 00:53:44,530
and 140 to other jurisdictions,

581
00:53:45,330 --> 00:53:48,250
totally in the 6,114 calls.

582
00:53:51,610 --> 00:53:53,930
What we have here is unit commitment analysis.

583
00:53:55,470 --> 00:53:59,530
So I talked about the 6,114 calls in jurisdiction,

584
00:53:59,810 --> 00:54:00,450
out of jurisdiction.

585
00:54:01,390 --> 00:54:04,090
However, we don't always send just one unit

586
00:54:04,090 --> 00:54:06,930
to these incidents, many times we send multiple units

587
00:54:06,930 --> 00:54:07,950
depending on the emergency.

588
00:54:09,230 --> 00:54:14,290
So with that, we had a total of 11,551 total unit

589
00:54:14,290 --> 00:54:16,710
commitments from at Sineeda's fire department.

590
00:54:17,650 --> 00:54:23,570
9,938 of those were committed to the city of Sineeda's.

591
00:54:23,850 --> 00:54:28,130
1113 of those were outside of our jurisdiction to the surrounding agencies.

592
00:54:31,630 --> 00:54:34,170
Here we have a mutual aid exchange balance.

593
00:54:34,970 --> 00:54:43,770
What this is is the department provided 471 hours and 39 minutes of aid to other jurisdictions

594
00:54:43,770 --> 00:54:51,910
while we received 885 hours with five minutes of assistance, resulting in a net aid exchange

595
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:58,450
excuse me of 413 hours. This indicates that incident is did receive more support than it provided.

596
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,500
We provided to Carlsbad, excuse me, here, can you a second?

597
00:55:09,210 --> 00:55:12,870
Yes, to Carlsbad, to the right there, that's a positive.

598
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:22,150
We provided 117 hours to Carlsbad. You'll find them in your packet. Then we provided to Delmar 42 hours.

599
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:31,990
We received from Rancho Santa Fe 164 hours from Solana Beach 281 other jurisdictions totaling

600
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:40,010
127 hours for a net exchange of receiving 413 hours from other jurisdictions.

601
00:55:44,500 --> 00:55:46,060
Outgoing aid by jurisdictions.

602
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:56,040
We provided 198 hours to Carlsbad, Solana Beach, 94 hours and change Rancho Santa Fe

603
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,620
seventy-one hours and Delmar 53 hours.

604
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:04,900
What you also don't see here is the other jurisdictions with which total, another 53 hours.

605
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:10,980
That total is the 471 hours that we gave out to other jurisdictions.

606
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:22,300
Now the incoming aid was the 885 hours that we received that netted the 413 hours of difference.

607
00:56:22,300 --> 00:56:30,960
So, on a beach providing 375 hours and 46 minutes, although one of their units,

608
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:36,900
medic 237, which responds out of Solana Beach Fire Station, they provided the bulk of those hours,

609
00:56:37,140 --> 00:56:40,000
which equated to 279 hours.

610
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:56,280
To give an example, they provided 375 to 279, which is almost 100 hours of the 375.

611
00:56:56,280 --> 00:57:03,960
five, the remaining 96 hours were provided by fire resources from Solana Beach into Encinitas.

612
00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:15,500
Also we received an approximate 196 hours from the Rancho Centifay Medic 261 out of the 236

613
00:57:15,500 --> 00:57:23,960
hours. So, they do have three ambulances, but you don't see there is medic 262 provided

614
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:30,600
6 hours, medic 264 provided another 20 hours collectively the ambulance is alone, provided

615
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:38,880
222 hours, the fire resources provided 14 hours of those 236 hours that ranch was sent

616
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:39,700
a fae provided.

617
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:47,560
And again, it goes into Carlsbad, they received 81 hours from us, and 100, we received 81

618
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,300
hours of 190 unit commitment hours

619
00:57:56,570 --> 00:57:57,770
response times.

620
00:57:57,770 --> 00:58:03,410
The incident is demonstrated a pretty good performance across all multiple metrics.

621
00:58:04,090 --> 00:58:10,910
The call processing time, the average call processing time is from the 911 call comes into dispatch,

622
00:58:11,470 --> 00:58:14,250
and they process that 911 emergency.

623
00:58:14,970 --> 00:58:19,030
The average was 53 seconds call processing time.

624
00:58:19,310 --> 00:58:24,590
Then at that point, it gets turned over to the fire department, and that's when we get the alarm at the fire station.

625
00:58:25,530 --> 00:58:31,790
Once we get the alarm, and we go responding on our mobile data computer on the fire engine,

626
00:58:32,650 --> 00:58:39,210
that turn out time averaged one minute and nine seconds, and the 90th percentile was two minutes, seven seconds.

627
00:58:40,070 --> 00:58:43,890
From that point, once we hit responding, we're considered travel time.

628
00:58:45,250 --> 00:58:51,990
We averaged approximately four minutes and 53 seconds of travel time throughout our jurisdiction,

629
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:56,230
and the overall response times with seven minutes, 11 seconds.

630
00:59:03,710 --> 00:59:05,330
So the Institute of Spide Department maintained

631
00:59:05,330 --> 00:59:08,950
an effective emergency response throughout our operations,

632
00:59:09,070 --> 00:59:13,730
handling over 6,000 calls, and actively participating

633
00:59:13,730 --> 00:59:17,330
in a reciprocity and mutual aid, giving aid out

634
00:59:17,330 --> 00:59:19,690
and receiving aid from other jurisdictions.

635
00:59:21,590 --> 00:59:26,170
We had 72% which was mainly medical aid calls

636
00:59:26,170 --> 00:59:30,570
as we saw earlier, and we have a strong working relationship

637
00:59:30,570 --> 00:59:33,930
with bordering agencies that we had that reciprocity.

638
00:59:34,970 --> 00:59:37,510
And I feel like we had an excellent response time

639
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:41,910
with 71% of our responses achieving under eight minutes

640
00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:45,990
total response time across our metrics.

641
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:53,630
Now the fire department also has a fire prevention division

642
00:59:54,050 --> 00:59:56,410
and they stayed pretty busy these nine months.

643
00:59:56,410 --> 00:59:59,950
They have had over 1,700 permit reviews.

644
01:00:00,110 --> 01:00:05,790
And construction inspections of 773 with all the new construction going into place.

645
01:00:06,670 --> 01:00:14,450
They've been working with a, with a, with a defensible space inspections. They completed 30 throughout our, our, our municipality.

646
01:00:15,390 --> 01:00:18,650
And they've engaged in 10 special event inspections.

647
01:00:19,410 --> 01:00:25,370
And we did have an open house October 4th, which I'm grateful, and many of you stopped by it. And we thank you for that.

648
01:00:25,370 --> 01:00:32,270
It was very successful and that was at our fire station number five. We had over five hundred attendees

649
01:00:32,270 --> 01:00:41,710
It was it was very busy and it was it was nice to see the community coming together and and the families the children and and and us engaging in the fire department with

650
01:00:42,150 --> 01:00:48,250
With the community it was outstanding. Yeah, and free food too. So we did you know a recent

651
01:00:48,250 --> 01:00:51,950
Marks and drinks for everyone, so that was nice.

652
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:54,590
However, we didn't do it alone.

653
01:00:54,930 --> 01:01:01,870
Our fire prevention assisted us and we had other agencies that participated at SDG&E.

654
01:01:01,970 --> 01:01:03,350
We had the red cross there.

655
01:01:03,770 --> 01:01:05,090
We had tips as well.

656
01:01:05,570 --> 01:01:10,090
We had AMR ambulance, who brought their ambulance and the interacted with the community.

657
01:01:11,130 --> 01:01:15,050
We had Sparky, the dog, walking around and keeping everyone entertained.

658
01:01:15,050 --> 01:01:26,750
But very nice event, we've engaged in five public education events and we've done 16 fire investigations that have to do with fire-related incidents.

659
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,400
That is all I have for the moment.

660
01:01:31,700 --> 01:01:40,120
I do want to fill you in on a few other activities that the fire department has been involved with as well in partnership with AMR ambulance.

661
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:49,980
So, year two dates, we've had 44 events, 24 public services, 17 educational events, three donated

662
01:01:49,980 --> 01:01:59,300
stand-by from the ambulance company, and we've talked collectively, year to date, 2991, hands-on,

663
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,340
only CPR to the community, which is great.

664
01:02:02,340 --> 01:02:10,000
We do perform CPR, excuse me, blood pressure checks at our Encinitas Community Center.

665
01:02:10,580 --> 01:02:16,280
Year 2 date, we've completed 270 blood pressure checks there at the Community Center.

666
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:26,000
We've also, every month, we do child car seat inspections, and we've completed 19 car seat inspections there at the Community Center.

667
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:34,000
We're gearing up for CPRs and schools, so we partner up with AMR and we have the fire department

668
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:40,560
not respond, but participate in the CPR and schools, which is fantastic.

669
01:02:41,580 --> 01:02:51,640
We get together with local schools and during the PE hour, we cycle everyone through the school to hands our CPR.

670
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:57,340
We get the fire department there, the paramedics are there a part of it, and we reach out to schools like

671
01:02:57,340 --> 01:03:05,420
Morantha, Deganyo, we reach out to San Degito Academy, Dolanorthy and Earl Warren, all schools that are part of our

672
01:03:05,420 --> 01:03:13,640
CSA-17 San Degito area. And I think that's that's all I have at the moment, and that's a chief of like to add anything else.

673
01:03:15,780 --> 01:03:17,700
I've got a couple of questions.

674
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:22,260
First one is I think you showed 30 property inspections.

675
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:27,220
Is that like going out looking at wildfire susceptibility of that type of stuff?

676
01:03:27,580 --> 01:03:30,720
Where is that actual new construction inspection?

677
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,960
Dependsable space inspections are more of that.

678
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,920
There are some community members that are asking for us to just come look at there.

679
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,800
Properties but there's also those that are selling their properties and have to have a different

680
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:47,320
a sensible space inspection to put with the report with their property sale.

681
01:03:47,580 --> 01:03:50,260
But that was only 30, and it seems like we'd have quite.

682
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:55,740
In other words, you will take calls from residents if, if, and when the fire martial

683
01:03:55,740 --> 01:04:01,240
last time, they'll come out and actually look at and give advice for things we can do.

684
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:05,420
Because one of the things we're trying to do is get to the zone zero, trying to get the

685
01:04:05,420 --> 01:04:10,620
flammable materials, five feet away from your house, especially in fire prone areas like

686
01:04:10,620 --> 01:04:16,760
I live in a leave-in-hine, but so it sounds like there's an opportunity there for people to call in.

687
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:22,900
It is based on the availability that we have to come out to your home.

688
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:24,240
We will do it.

689
01:04:24,420 --> 01:04:30,940
It might not be at the time frame that you want immediately, but we will make our way out there

690
01:04:30,940 --> 01:04:35,620
to inspect your home for defense with space and give some kind of feedback on how you can

691
01:04:35,620 --> 01:04:42,720
heart in your home provide a better defensible space, create a zone zero and you know

692
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:49,460
hit all the califier requirements. And then second question is about trends in fires and

693
01:04:49,460 --> 01:04:55,360
I've noticed more garage fires and I'm curious whether you've seen a trend and whether lithium

694
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:59,960
and rechargeable batteries are the source of that.

695
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:06,060
And what are signs people should look for to get those things out of their garage before they do turn on fire?

696
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:16,060
Yeah, right now the numbers are trending around 80% of all garage fires, all trash truck fires are caused by lithium ion batteries.

697
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:25,720
Most of them are going to be your galalt battery or e-bike battery, your scooter battery,

698
01:05:26,420 --> 01:05:31,980
and usually it's caused by some kind of damage or using an aftermarket charger for the battery itself.

699
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:39,580
So we're seeing a lot of youth who drop their bike crash their bike, go in, plug it in, walk inside,

700
01:05:39,580 --> 01:05:43,040
and now it's a garage fire later on,

701
01:05:43,340 --> 01:05:44,540
because it was damaged the battery.

702
01:05:45,540 --> 01:05:47,900
Same thing does happen with electric vehicles.

703
01:05:48,860 --> 01:05:50,360
We don't get as many of those,

704
01:05:50,460 --> 01:05:52,960
but once those do catch on fire from a garage fire,

705
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,420
or from another lithium-ion battery,

706
01:05:55,500 --> 01:06:00,320
those are hard to put out, it takes a lot of water.

707
01:06:00,540 --> 01:06:03,180
It can take up to 300,000 gallons or more water

708
01:06:03,180 --> 01:06:04,800
to put out an electric vehicle fire.

709
01:06:06,420 --> 01:06:08,960
So things to look for, swelling and heat

710
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:15,480
coming from the battery. If you've dropped the battery, inspect it for damage, do not put it on a

711
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:22,340
charger for at least three days. There are batteries that will sit and rest for three days before

712
01:06:22,340 --> 01:06:28,380
they catch on fire after being damaged. Do not leave your lithium-ion batteries plugged in overnight.

713
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:38,240
In your garage, if you do, they do sell pouches or metal containers that you can

714
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:46,060
charge of the family I have batteries in. I also pay attention to your cell phones, right?

715
01:06:46,260 --> 01:06:51,260
Cell phones, if they're heating up, if they're really hot to the touch, as you're charging them,

716
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:55,900
that is a bad sign. There has been instances not with an incident's needus, but within the

717
01:06:55,900 --> 01:07:03,520
county where a cell phone has caught on fire and one of these was on a bed of someone who was charging

718
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:08,220
in and caught their bedroom on fire. They were able to put it out pretty quick with the

719
01:07:09,460 --> 01:07:13,420
some water and they're extinguished here, but it did make quite a mess with that extinguished

720
01:07:13,420 --> 01:07:18,200
here. I don't know if you've guys ever used one indoors. But yeah, that would be my advice

721
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:22,300
right now is if you're going to plug in lithium-ion batteries don't do it overnight and make sure

722
01:07:22,300 --> 01:07:28,740
that you inspect your batteries before you do it. Okay. Council Member Schaefer. Yeah, thank you for the report

723
01:07:28,740 --> 01:07:33,820
really appreciate it. Just check it on the 90th percentile. Is that for, is that for our response

724
01:07:33,820 --> 01:07:37,840
times and all of our times or that is that for county wide-type model.

725
01:07:38,660 --> 01:07:43,800
That's going to be for our jurisdiction, it actually includes in and out of jurisdiction

726
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:44,360
right now.

727
01:07:44,900 --> 01:07:49,700
So when we ran the numbers for some reason, our jurisdiction only numbers were not calculating

728
01:07:49,700 --> 01:07:55,920
so it is a little longer, but I will say this, we are seeing a little bit longer travel

729
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:56,580
times.

730
01:07:57,660 --> 01:08:07,700
So, our out of the dispatch time or the call processing time is, I'm going to find that one for me, the call processing time is really good.

731
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:18,820
Our dispatch does a great job. It is increased a little bit because of determinant dispatching or triaging now, so they take a little bit more time to ask additional questions to send their correct resource.

732
01:08:19,380 --> 01:08:23,500
So there is going to be a little bit of delay there in the 30 second range.

733
01:08:23,500 --> 01:08:31,380
Our turnout times are trending a little down but still within a good number and then our travel

734
01:08:31,380 --> 01:08:37,340
times are what's taking a little longer. Now that could be due to station one being at station

735
01:08:37,340 --> 01:08:43,550
three right now. There is an increased response time to this downtown area. We do have

736
01:08:45,220 --> 01:08:52,140
an increase in call volume right now we're trending to over 8200 calls for this year where last year

737
01:08:52,140 --> 01:08:59,140
we're about 7,900, so we're increasing almost a call a day as well as traffic calming measures.

738
01:08:59,660 --> 01:09:10,280
So we are providing narrowing lanes and some speed bumps and roundabouts which do have an

739
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:15,560
overall impact but when we're looking at our response time specifically for each call,

740
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:20,100
it's going up maybe 15 seconds, I think a good example would be the roundabout on 101.

741
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:26,660
And it only increased our call response times into that area about nine seconds.

742
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:31,020
The last time I looked, it's been a few months, but it hasn't been a problem for us.

743
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:38,060
And then I go to the numbers of us receiving a net of the 413.

744
01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:40,640
So is there any reasoning for that?

745
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,020
Is it partially because of the station locations or whatever?

746
01:09:44,020 --> 01:09:53,680
Yeah, so, I mean, like Chief Sanchez said, we have CSA 17 is our air ambulance provider, right?

747
01:09:53,700 --> 01:09:57,080
So, AMRs, our ambulance provider contract goes through the county.

748
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:59,960
Now, each one of these ambulances is a CSA.

749
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:14,620
So they move around. When you look at Cardiff, medic 232 and Cardiff, if they're on a call, medic 237, thank you, is the one who responds.

750
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:27,540
And they respond to the Manchester area, much quicker than our 232 for some reason, on the response polygons and times that we have. So their ambivalences create almost 80% of that number.

751
01:10:27,540 --> 01:10:34,300
So, when we look at it as holistically, it looks like we're stealing everybody's fire engines,

752
01:10:34,620 --> 01:10:40,740
but we have to change that paradigm to an ambulance response, and that's a shared resource that we have all together.

753
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:48,560
So, we provide a lot more, let's say in the Carlsbad, where we rarely have an ambulance go in there because of the CSA 7 boundary that we have.

754
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:56,100
There's a kind of a wall there, so all of our fire engine response, the 399 responses that

755
01:10:56,100 --> 01:11:02,320
we've had have been mostly fire engines where, again, in a CSA-17, most of those numbers are

756
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:03,000
from ambulances.

757
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:04,140
Okay.

758
01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:05,100
Thank you.

759
01:11:05,940 --> 01:11:07,100
Council Member San Antonio.

760
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:14,380
So I think was it, what was it, what was the hours for the received from Solana Beach?

761
01:11:14,380 --> 01:11:21,460
Was it specifically for I think was for medic 261 was it like 200 and something hours

762
01:11:22,540 --> 01:11:30,100
For the incoming aid from them the total was the 375 hours. Yeah, but I think it was it would be

763
01:11:30,100 --> 01:11:33,020
You break it down to like 200 and something hours for just

764
01:11:33,900 --> 01:11:36,080
Yeah, so yes, you're right

765
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:41,100
So your refrain is a lot of each we received 375 and

766
01:11:41,100 --> 01:11:42,420
With that

767
01:11:46,780 --> 01:11:49,940
So on the beach, we received 3,000 or so on the planet.

768
01:11:51,180 --> 01:11:55,960
The medic provided 279 knots, and then we also have a superluster.

769
01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:01,300
We have a supervisor for the ambulance that provided.

770
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:02,640
Jeez.

771
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:03,880
Thank you.

772
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:05,840
That's down here.

773
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:11,220
So we had 279 hours from that medic ambulance.

774
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:15,620
Plus the supervisor for the ambulance provided 24 hours.

775
01:12:15,620 --> 01:12:25,440
totally them two alone three hundred three hours of time into our city. So what leaves

776
01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:30,300
what it leaves on the table is seventy two hours of actual fire resources coming into our

777
01:12:30,300 --> 01:12:36,060
jurisdiction. So it is heavily on the on the ambulance. Same thing for Rancho Santa Fe.

778
01:12:36,380 --> 01:12:41,700
The had three medic ambulances that are part of the CSA 17 that quite responded quite

779
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,600
with medic ambulance 261 from

780
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,940
Andrew Santa Fe alone providing 196 hours

781
01:12:48,940 --> 01:12:49,660
into our jurisdictions.

782
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:50,720
Yeah.

783
01:12:50,900 --> 01:12:52,940
I mean, it's interesting number because

784
01:12:52,940 --> 01:12:56,340
obviously it's with the percentage of

785
01:12:56,340 --> 01:12:59,840
medical call that's 72% out of that whole

786
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:00,980
pite chart.

787
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:03,820
And we get so much ambulance service from

788
01:13:03,820 --> 01:13:04,660
outside our jurisdiction.

789
01:13:05,700 --> 01:13:07,340
I mean, it's just an interesting number,

790
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:09,700
you know, for it is.

791
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:10,920
And it's a good observation.

792
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:21,100
You know, it happens when our ambulances are out on another incident and then another incident comes in and we can't meet that.

793
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:27,840
So we pull from either on the East Side Ranch of Santa Fe to the south of us, medic 237 from Solana Beach.

794
01:13:29,940 --> 01:13:36,140
And for the CSA 17, we do a pretty good job of trying to come up with the best locations for those ambulances.

795
01:13:36,140 --> 01:13:41,100
I don't know if you remember, not long ago, we had a 12-hour unit that was a floating ambulance

796
01:13:41,100 --> 01:13:43,080
in the northern part of Encinitas.

797
01:13:44,380 --> 01:13:50,140
Well, we were able to capture those 12 hours and our medic 232 at Station 2 and Cardiff,

798
01:13:50,440 --> 01:13:51,540
was a 12-hour unit.

799
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:59,000
So we were able to capture those hours and convert that medic 232 into a 24-hour unit to

800
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:02,300
hopefully reduce the numbers we're talking about right now.

801
01:14:02,500 --> 01:14:04,000
So they've had a positive impact.

802
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:09,300
Yeah, and still we're seeing some of these numbers from ambulances helping us and

803
01:14:09,300 --> 01:14:10,320
and some of these numbers.

804
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:17,020
If I could add a load to that, so for this year, our medic 235, which runs out of station

805
01:14:17,020 --> 01:14:23,400
five out of below are, they have a 31.03% unit hour utilization.

806
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:32,560
And when we're looking at ambulances, we are looking at a unit hour utilization between 0.2 or

807
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:36,440
20% to 40% usage before looking for additional resources.

808
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:39,160
So, as we start seeing increased call volume,

809
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,640
those numbers start to be something that we need to plan around

810
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,420
to possibly add additional ambulances into the systems.

811
01:14:46,700 --> 01:14:47,520
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too.

812
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:49,540
When you're looking at the additional resources

813
01:14:49,540 --> 01:14:51,100
we're pulling from other cities, right?

814
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:53,520
Or CSA 17 ambulances.

815
01:14:54,060 --> 01:14:56,040
Once these numbers start jumping up a little bit,

816
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,240
which I anticipate them to do with the call volume increase

817
01:14:59,240 --> 01:14:59,920
that we're...

818
01:15:01,100 --> 01:15:09,360
We're probably approaching the county, CSA-17 and AMR, and finding out how we can lower those unit hourly utilization.

819
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:16,420
The unit hourly utilization to better fit our citizens here and make sure that there's an ambulance that's close by.

820
01:15:16,660 --> 01:15:21,320
We'll start seeing our response times increase on the ambulance side, and obviously we don't want to do that.

821
01:15:22,620 --> 01:15:26,840
Perfect. Yeah, definitely something to explore on the future. Thank you.

822
01:15:27,540 --> 01:15:34,500
Okay. I think that that's it for our announcement. Thank you. You took almost as much

823
01:15:34,500 --> 01:15:38,280
name as the sheriff. Just so we're, you know, but who's keeping score? Just like what

824
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:44,240
is defend defend the sheriff's honor here too. So we will now move on to item five,

825
01:15:44,500 --> 01:15:50,960
which is oral comments. And oral comments are public comments that are not on tonight's agenda.

826
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:56,040
We allocate up to 30 minutes for oral comments at the beginning of a regular meeting.

827
01:15:56,040 --> 01:16:01,360
speakers typically are granted three minutes to address the council with no time

828
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:06,600
donation time donations permitted and the chair has the authority to limit the

829
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:11,460
duration of these comments as so long as it's done equitably to all speakers.

830
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:17,900
Tonight we have 16 speakers so in order to manage our time and be fair to the

831
01:16:17,900 --> 01:16:22,680
members of the public here to participate in our regularly scheduled items I will

832
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:27,240
limiting the oral comments to two minutes so we got to see that it's right around 30 minutes

833
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:31,380
and that way we should get done and then did you want me to make the announcement about

834
01:16:31,380 --> 01:16:37,780
speaker subsmus be turned in? Yeah and one thing that it's in our procedures that once we start

835
01:16:37,780 --> 01:16:43,720
our oral comments then that cuts off for the oral comments so we're going to do that and it's

836
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:50,600
what's written in the procedure so we're following our procedure accurately and with that let's call

837
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:56,780
first and if people could queue up up here, so we spend less time walking up.

838
01:16:57,220 --> 01:17:00,780
And then just as a reminder, as the mayor stated, each speaker will have two minutes.

839
01:17:01,340 --> 01:17:05,880
The first three are Jim O'Hara, Patty Stautamir, followed by Judy Burlfine.

840
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:18,710
Okay, so I just wanted to start off with a shout out and get well to River Smith,

841
01:17:18,710 --> 01:17:24,350
who was recently in an accident that a lot of us heard about it down town and a heartfelt

842
01:17:24,350 --> 01:17:29,470
feeling of empathy and positivity to his parents, Zach and Betsy, who I saw on the scene.

843
01:17:30,350 --> 01:17:36,530
Last Wednesday, I was here at City Hall picking up a birthday gift I've left in my office

844
01:17:36,530 --> 01:17:43,270
for my daughter and I got to call you need to come down Jaldo on one right now, something's

845
01:17:43,270 --> 01:17:51,410
happened. And I got down there immediately to what I only call a high profile incident here

846
01:17:51,410 --> 01:17:58,990
in town that was pretty astonishing to see. And in that, and I think the sheriff touched

847
01:17:58,990 --> 01:18:05,710
on this, I saw an amazing community down there. So everybody coming together, get at that

848
01:18:05,710 --> 01:18:12,350
truck makes space, as soon as you've heard the sirens, people were

849
01:18:12,350 --> 01:18:14,790
clearing out the road to make sure the sheriff could get through to make sure

850
01:18:14,790 --> 01:18:19,610
the first responders could get through, and when I can only call in impressive

851
01:18:19,610 --> 01:18:24,530
response, once the sheriff's and the first responders that are our fire

852
01:18:24,530 --> 01:18:31,770
department showed up to control the crowd, makes space for the crowd, politely

853
01:18:34,230 --> 01:18:39,290
compassionately and professionally. As well as common, there were a lot of people who are clearly shaken,

854
01:18:39,390 --> 01:18:46,950
at least 100 people witnessed this accident. I'm sure more, just to be on the conservative side of that

855
01:18:46,950 --> 01:18:47,450
estimate.

856
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:55,910
And I just want to take a moment, again, to give a, to get well soon to

857
01:18:56,790 --> 01:19:06,030
We're so grateful that the injuries you received or you experienced, we're limited to what they were and which you're speaking to recovery.

858
01:19:06,830 --> 01:19:09,930
And I also want to give a huge shout out again to the community.

859
01:19:10,750 --> 01:19:14,910
And I really want to thank our fire department and our sheriff department.

860
01:19:15,210 --> 01:19:17,870
It was such a shiny example of how you collaborate together.

861
01:19:18,530 --> 01:19:20,250
And how you were there.

862
01:19:20,550 --> 01:19:22,650
I was there from here to there in less than a minute.

863
01:19:23,010 --> 01:19:23,630
And I counted.

864
01:19:24,710 --> 01:19:25,550
I'll close up.

865
01:19:25,550 --> 01:19:28,110
I kind of multiple vehicles there within eight minutes.

866
01:19:28,890 --> 01:19:30,790
Clearing the scene, getting people going.

867
01:19:31,510 --> 01:19:33,170
It was pretty incredible.

868
01:19:34,430 --> 01:19:34,830
So that's it.

869
01:19:34,950 --> 01:19:36,350
Thanks to the community, and thank you to our Fire Department.

870
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:37,750
I'm going to share this part for that.

871
01:19:38,230 --> 01:19:38,230
So

872
01:19:41,460 --> 01:19:44,620
Patty, Patty, you can come up.

873
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:48,180
I'm on our follow by Judy Burlfine, Andy,

874
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:49,800
and then Gerald Tanksley.

875
01:19:49,940 --> 01:19:51,340
Wasn't Helen Burr in there?

876
01:19:51,340 --> 01:19:52,160
I thought you said,

877
01:19:55,310 --> 01:19:55,310
OK.

878
01:19:55,530 --> 01:19:59,970
Mayor, council, Patty, stop on my, just a little thing.

879
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,260
About smart cities.

880
01:20:04,740 --> 01:20:09,240
They don't know sound, dog on it.

881
01:20:13,140 --> 01:20:14,420
That will.

882
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:19,640
If you

883
01:20:25,020 --> 01:20:26,460
could hold the time,

884
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:37,560
what we can do is we go maybe to the next person and then patty bring

885
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:42,060
you back, that'd be okay, and then you'll get the full sounds.

886
01:20:42,860 --> 01:20:44,300
So who was next, Judy?

887
01:20:48,780 --> 01:20:49,180
I'll

888
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:56,430
just give you a head step by step.

889
01:20:57,290 --> 01:20:59,190
Okay, thank you.

890
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:02,940
Thank you.

891
01:21:03,020 --> 01:21:07,640
First of all, I want to say that all crashes are bad collisions

892
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:12,860
whether they are an insinucible of art, or 101, or anywhere else in the city

893
01:21:12,860 --> 01:21:16,980
between autos and autos and cyclists, autos and pedestrians.

894
01:21:16,980 --> 01:21:21,240
and I'm in favor of finding safer ways for everyone to get around.

895
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:25,740
So one idea that'll be presented next week is to widen the

896
01:21:25,740 --> 01:21:30,640
card of cycle track by making it two way and as Commissioner Medock at

897
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:35,780
the Mobility Commission stated the wider two way track that we already have

898
01:21:35,780 --> 01:21:40,660
is a lot safer because it provides more space for fast cyclists to pass

899
01:21:40,660 --> 01:21:46,420
slower cyclists. So wider is better. In addition, physical

900
01:21:46,420 --> 01:21:51,100
separation also provides another layer of safety as this video demonstrates.

901
01:21:53,700 --> 01:21:54,580
So the middle,

902
01:21:54,680 --> 01:22:03,540
this is on 101, the driver hit the curb stop and the wheel ripped off the axle and what would

903
01:22:03,540 --> 01:22:09,540
have stopped the driver from running into the cycle track if they had not hit the curb stop.

904
01:22:09,540 --> 01:22:15,920
So, paint doesn't really provide protection, but separated infrastructure does.

905
01:22:18,410 --> 01:22:25,250
Thank you, and I hope you'll keep this in mind when we evaluate how we can keep everyone safe on 101.

906
01:22:31,660 --> 01:22:34,760
Are you ready for Patty?

907
01:22:35,020 --> 01:22:36,020
You're all your clothes.

908
01:22:36,480 --> 01:22:37,120
Is it?

909
01:22:37,260 --> 01:22:37,780
Why are you?

910
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:42,020
Right.

911
01:22:42,140 --> 01:22:43,680
Crank it up as much as you can.

912
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:47,020
Should I backtrack?

913
01:22:48,620 --> 01:22:49,020
Go ahead.

914
01:22:49,020 --> 01:22:50,020
Go ahead and just start over.

915
01:22:50,260 --> 01:22:50,520
Okay.

916
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:54,400
How much can you be in charge?

917
01:22:55,220 --> 01:22:56,380
Thanks a lot.

918
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:06,200
Within the home, it's location, it's usage, and all the data is going to Amazon service.

919
01:23:09,370 --> 01:23:13,370
When you leave your home, all modern vehicles are connected to the internet.

920
01:23:13,750 --> 01:23:16,230
So your automobile is being tracked all the time.

921
01:23:16,530 --> 01:23:22,030
When you're going under a string of smart LED calls and smart LED lights on the highway

922
01:23:22,030 --> 01:23:27,530
and in the speaks of your thoughts and cities, those form a wireless network and our practicality

923
01:23:27,530 --> 01:23:33,070
of the vehicle, they are tracking all the devices on you from smartphones, smartphones,

924
01:23:33,390 --> 01:23:34,710
and you're working on the streets.

925
01:23:35,330 --> 01:23:42,090
So data I think collected 24-7 continuously on every human being whenever you are within these wireless

926
01:23:42,090 --> 01:23:42,690
networks.

927
01:23:43,410 --> 01:23:48,110
And it's obviously not good for health also, because of all the electromagnetic radiation.

928
01:23:49,150 --> 01:23:59,270
In the long term, the plan is pretty much lock up, humanity in smart cities, which is kind of a super set of a 15-minute city.

929
01:24:00,550 --> 01:24:10,090
They've sold all the states and local governments and countries that smart cities are about sustainability and the good of the city.

930
01:24:10,650 --> 01:24:16,230
But in reality, the language from the UN and WDS and their white papers is all inverted.

931
01:24:16,230 --> 01:24:24,670
So, their monitoring is really about limiting mobility and no car ownership, but surveillance,

932
01:24:25,570 --> 01:24:29,410
control via LED grid is why the smart lighting is there.

933
01:24:29,870 --> 01:24:33,850
Water management is about more rationing, noise pollution is about speech surveillance,

934
01:24:34,330 --> 01:24:38,850
traffic monitoring is about limiting mobility and then, of course, energy,

935
01:24:39,570 --> 01:24:43,730
conservation is all about rationing, heat electricity and gasoline.

936
01:24:43,730 --> 01:24:51,510
Another concept one should be familiar with is called geo-fencing and that's think of it as an invisible fence around you

937
01:24:52,130 --> 01:24:59,930
Where you cannot go beyond the certain point and that will be related to your face recognition this slide entity and access control your smart

938
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:07,000
Okay. If you can cut it off there. Thank you.

939
01:25:08,180 --> 01:25:12,300
Next speaker's Andy, followed by Gerald Tanksley, and then great young.

940
01:25:19,130 --> 01:25:20,610
I have so much and I hope

941
01:25:20,610 --> 01:25:27,830
I get some of it in what I want, but for anyone who has not recognized it, how the abusive government,

942
01:25:29,450 --> 01:25:35,230
I'll just start out with this. Many abusive governments have come into power not by force,

943
01:25:35,230 --> 01:25:40,810
but with small steps, slow drips, like water on the stove, slowly heating up.

944
01:25:41,170 --> 01:25:48,010
When you give an inch to evil intentions, that inch quickly becomes a mile before you know it.

945
01:25:49,390 --> 01:25:55,090
Teranical governments often come into power gradually, initially, presenting themselves as

946
01:25:55,090 --> 01:26:01,150
protectors of the people. Plato described this process noting that a tyrant typically emerges

947
01:26:01,150 --> 01:26:07,170
as a champion whom the people support in nurture, appearing at first as a protector of their

948
01:26:07,170 --> 01:26:07,670
interests.

949
01:26:08,250 --> 01:26:15,570
I literally was listening to this guy over here, bragging that they gave tickets to

950
01:26:15,570 --> 01:26:22,090
people that were sleeping, not harming anybody, and what you're seeing now is in case any

951
01:26:22,090 --> 01:26:28,070
of you have missed the government of the old days of slavery or in case you miss Nazi Germany

952
01:26:28,070 --> 01:26:33,110
and you wanted to be there when they were attacking the Jews and killing all the Jews or killing

953
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:38,930
and slaving all the blacks in the beginning, well they've got you focus on the new people

954
01:26:38,930 --> 01:26:45,270
to attack hate and blame for all of your troubles and that's the homeless or the vehicle dwellers.

955
01:26:46,190 --> 01:26:52,670
They're just so powerful with their psychological operations just like what they did in 2020.

956
01:26:52,670 --> 01:26:57,350
And they have you believing that the homeless are a threat.

957
01:26:57,830 --> 01:27:02,430
So first, little by little, they're stealing your tax dollars by ticketing you like crazy

958
01:27:02,430 --> 01:27:08,630
with everything, pushing everyone into poverty, and then blaming these people for daring

959
01:27:08,630 --> 01:27:12,830
to be poor and homeless and treating them like dirt.

960
01:27:13,510 --> 01:27:18,730
So in case you miss the U.S. government and the blacks and slavery and what they did at

961
01:27:18,730 --> 01:27:25,830
time. In case you miss Nazi Germany, you're here. You're living it in the present. That's the homeless.

962
01:27:26,150 --> 01:27:27,270
Thank you.

963
01:27:32,620 --> 01:27:35,180
So Gerard or Gerald Tanksley?

964
01:27:39,210 --> 01:27:40,410
All right, we'll move to Greg Young,

965
01:27:41,590 --> 01:27:44,550
followed by Dave Dean, and then we're all Villamar.

966
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:48,220
Thank you. I'm Greg Young,

967
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:55,820
I'm 231 Crest Drive. I'm supposed to give that a believe. I am here to ask about security for

968
01:27:55,820 --> 01:27:59,420
a special election on November 5th.

969
01:27:59,500 --> 01:28:04,180
What has been our nation's recent history of voter intimidation?

970
01:28:05,820 --> 01:28:12,200
Now with enhanced immigration enforcement, what if ICE was to show up?

971
01:28:12,740 --> 01:28:17,900
Are we prepared for the escalation of intimidation this could bring?

972
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:24,340
What does it mean if they do, with ICE's ability to detain someone because of the way

973
01:28:24,340 --> 01:28:30,760
They act, speak, or look, regardless of citizenship, would we be able to assure that they

974
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:32,400
are able and willing to vote?

975
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:38,460
Would ICE presence alone say in a park vehicle be intimidation?

976
01:28:39,780 --> 01:28:46,600
Should there be a nonpartisan observers of the voting area beyond the 25-foot distance from

977
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:47,620
the polling place?

978
01:28:48,780 --> 01:28:51,400
What would their scope of action be?

979
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:55,800
What regulations would observers need to follow?

980
01:28:56,980 --> 01:29:00,680
And if the nonpartisan observer sees voter intimidation,

981
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:03,580
beyond the 25-foot distance of the polling place,

982
01:29:04,100 --> 01:29:05,980
what responses would be advised?

983
01:29:07,420 --> 01:29:10,580
What is the city of insinitous policy and protocol

984
01:29:10,580 --> 01:29:13,480
if and when voter intimidation is evident?

985
01:29:14,460 --> 01:29:19,000
Would the response be different if the intimidation is from ice?

986
01:29:20,410 --> 01:29:24,950
I ask you to seriously consider these questions than ask yourselves.

987
01:29:25,810 --> 01:29:31,210
Should we, incidentous residents, use the answers to these questions to guide us in being

988
01:29:31,210 --> 01:29:37,290
nonpartisan observers to protect our ability to vote without threat or intimidation?

989
01:29:37,810 --> 01:29:43,270
I respectfully ask that we follow up one week from today at the next council meeting to

990
01:29:43,270 --> 01:29:44,110
hear your replies.

991
01:29:44,390 --> 01:29:45,510
Thank you.

992
01:29:45,510 --> 01:29:59,950
And so with oral comments, we can't respond here tonight because it wasn't on the agenda and quite frankly we can't respond next week because the agenda came out today for next week, but you can we can refer you to staff and then talk to you.

993
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:09,540
Good evening, Dave Dean, and I would like to say a few things about the rock garden.

994
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:18,140
Thank you, Jennifer, and Jim for your help this week. The things we talked about, so I appreciate that.

995
01:30:19,380 --> 01:30:25,340
I also wanted to share a story with you. I was working in the garden this week, and a man came up and he said,

996
01:30:25,340 --> 01:30:32,180
you day, I said, yes, I am. He said, I want to tell you, I left the country in 2017 and started

997
01:30:32,180 --> 01:30:40,400
traveling the world. And I've lived in 54 different countries since then, and he was working

998
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:47,140
with Down syndrome children around the world. And he said, you know, I've traveled the world and

999
01:30:47,140 --> 01:30:52,380
nowhere in this world, have I seen more positive vibes than a community garden than you have

1000
01:30:53,980 --> 01:31:02,490
So that was just an amazing and touching story to the people of this community, the citizens, and the spirit of

1001
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:04,300
Insanitas.

1002
01:31:05,100 --> 01:31:06,480
So, one day, share that with you.

1003
01:31:06,580 --> 01:31:07,540
It made me feel good.

1004
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:12,260
And I think the citizens should be proud of their spirit here in Insanitas too.

1005
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:12,940
Thank you.

1006
01:31:16,530 --> 01:31:22,790
Next, next is all Villamar, followed by Scott Campbell, Melissa Sharbarth, and then Lucy Salomon.

1007
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:28,780
My name is Rolville, I'm our own, and I need his barbers.

1008
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:36,060
My dad opened it in 1980, my older brother, my younger brother, my tuned-ass use, my brother's

1009
01:31:36,060 --> 01:31:40,040
girl, and my adopted niece, we all work at the barber shop.

1010
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:42,620
We're still having params with a parking.

1011
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:47,680
We have all these people walking in, talking about the parking, and they're not coming

1012
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:48,660
in because of the parking.

1013
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:50,040
They only come in once in a while.

1014
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:53,700
I look around and I see all these people that are nice and groomed.

1015
01:31:53,960 --> 01:32:01,460
The gentleman, the gentleman that came in from the beer garden once said that they said that

1016
01:32:01,460 --> 01:32:06,980
a lot of people like to come in and have a nice dinner and some drinks, a lot of people

1017
01:32:06,980 --> 01:32:10,060
like to come in and get groomed, you know, haircuts.

1018
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:15,000
A lot of people like to get their outfits done, a Mrs. Miss Kims.

1019
01:32:15,660 --> 01:32:18,720
A lot of people like to get their cars worked on, all the neighborhood around the corners.

1020
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:21,340
They have enough automotive places to get fixed.

1021
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:22,980
They can't find parking.

1022
01:32:23,540 --> 01:32:30,440
These people that have the restaurants are on my block from from from East Street, from

1023
01:32:30,440 --> 01:32:35,980
D Street to all the way to F Street. It's all downtown or all blocked. We don't have

1024
01:32:35,980 --> 01:32:40,620
no parking unless what they complain about. I've been told that they're going to have some

1025
01:32:40,620 --> 01:32:44,580
meetings coming up. I would like to begin informed to see when those meetings are coming up.

1026
01:32:44,820 --> 01:32:50,120
So I can speak. I have videos. I have hundreds of pictures and stuff like that on it. From

1027
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:56,500
9 a.m. To 5 p.m. There's nobody. I go home at 5 p.m. There's nobody. I come in at 9 in the morning.

1028
01:32:56,720 --> 01:33:00,580
There's nobody. It's starting to get cold now. It's going to be and people are going to be

1029
01:33:00,580 --> 01:33:07,040
inside. What about the outside? Nobody's going to be outside. I wish we could talk about it, give me

1030
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:11,340
some more time so I can because I have tons of pictures. You know, you folks are all nice and

1031
01:33:11,340 --> 01:33:18,620
groomed and haircuts. You know, and I hope you guys come in to my shop sit there and I'll bring

1032
01:33:18,620 --> 01:33:23,600
If you want, just you can sit there and look at all the people that are complaining about the parking.

1033
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:24,720
Thank you.

1034
01:33:34,810 --> 01:33:36,010
Didn't know what to do this.

1035
01:33:36,650 --> 01:33:40,130
Okay, so my name is Scott Campbell, and I live in Anthony's District 1.

1036
01:33:40,990 --> 01:33:45,170
And I'm also a public spokesperson for Anthony Assistant Review Panel.

1037
01:33:46,450 --> 01:33:55,860
First thing, I request the Council to provide a report on the status of the 100 municipal violations that we heard about earlier.

1038
01:33:56,060 --> 01:33:58,260
Maybe next week or in a couple weeks, that's fine.

1039
01:33:59,500 --> 01:34:05,860
I have a quick comment about the streets, the street cleaning, there's going to be cleaning

1040
01:34:05,860 --> 01:34:08,900
up the trees and stuff, it's like we blowers our vacuum.

1041
01:34:09,540 --> 01:34:17,640
But we have a presentation and at my house, I've got an all this literature from the state,

1042
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:25,080
and I asked the Council to make a resolution, a proclamation about voting no proposition 50.

1043
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:35,300
Back in 2022, actually like three years ago, this council supported abortion, and there

1044
01:34:35,300 --> 01:34:40,700
was 78 people that showed up against it, and two people supported it, and yet they voted

1045
01:34:40,700 --> 01:34:41,440
five, zero.

1046
01:34:41,900 --> 01:34:46,860
So, there is precedent for the council to do this kind of stuff, and make proclamations

1047
01:34:46,860 --> 01:34:47,880
on state initiatives.

1048
01:34:49,860 --> 01:34:55,060
So I actually made a sample for you to help this process, and maybe you can be a vote

1049
01:34:55,060 --> 01:34:59,960
on this today. Basically, the state, naturally, not the state.

1050
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:27,060
I don't care about the state. Three of the people in this council ran on local control. And the state is trying to take this away. And I ask the council to assert local control and not allow the state to stop on us so easily. I have this, you know, this ballot here is is really easy to do. You can just add to your names, assign it and you can do this next week. You could probably do this tonight. And I'm going to keep under two minutes. Thank you.

1051
01:35:31,380 --> 01:35:36,020
Following Melissa, is Lucy Solomon, Richard Solomon, and then Beth Whittaker?

1052
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:41,860
Good evening. First on behalf of safe streets in Sanitus, we want to thank the city

1053
01:35:41,860 --> 01:35:47,080
for generously carving out time to build a relationship with our group. We have been welcomed

1054
01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:53,120
by many of you including city staff, council members, and the sheriff department. Captain Watts,

1055
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:54,520
we appreciate your commitment.

1056
01:35:56,580 --> 01:36:00,200
This evening, I want to share information about the first safe streets in

1057
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:06,220
need us community event taking place at the ins need of community park from 10 a.m. to 12 p.m.

1058
01:36:06,380 --> 01:36:10,760
This will be a chance to connect with neighbors, share ideas, and learn about local safety

1059
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:17,240
efforts that can save lives. We have speakers, a silent auction, Emory Gear created by 101

1060
01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:24,120
Republic available to order, and of course, kids are welcome. A final thank you to councilman

1061
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:29,240
shape for, uh, sorry, Councilman Marco San Antonio for creating banners for our event.

1062
01:36:29,500 --> 01:36:30,780
We hope to see you there.

1063
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:38,900
I'm not Lucy Solomon.

1064
01:36:39,180 --> 01:36:39,720
I'm Richard Solomon.

1065
01:36:39,860 --> 01:36:41,160
My wife had to go home.

1066
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:49,200
I'm here because in a radical that was in the San Diego paper keeping the lights on for the

1067
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:55,640
La Paloma and I really want to throw my weight into support supporting this.

1068
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:57,780
I've lived there for 40 years.

1069
01:36:57,780 --> 01:37:01,060
The La Paloma is the heart and soul of downtown in Sanitas.

1070
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:06,300
It's been our date night for four years, dinner and a movie.

1071
01:37:07,660 --> 01:37:08,380
It's been great.

1072
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:10,300
I saw Leon Russell there.

1073
01:37:10,660 --> 01:37:12,300
I saw George Winston there.

1074
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:14,580
I saw the Miami sound machine there.

1075
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:16,260
Bill Murray's been there.

1076
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:19,800
It's just a very important part of in Sanitas.

1077
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:21,100
And I can give a little story.

1078
01:37:21,700 --> 01:37:23,780
Before moving here, I moved to Manhattan Beach.

1079
01:37:23,780 --> 01:37:30,900
Manhattan Beach had its own lapeloma, the Lamar, a theater in downtown Manhattan Beach that was just

1080
01:37:30,900 --> 01:37:32,080
just like the lapeloma.

1081
01:37:32,820 --> 01:37:33,400
It's gone.

1082
01:37:33,980 --> 01:37:36,000
It's been gone now for over 30 years.

1083
01:37:36,300 --> 01:37:37,680
It's a commercial building now.

1084
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:39,160
It's actually owned by Sketchers.

1085
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:41,840
Sketchers owns all of downtown and here in Beach now.

1086
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:43,760
It's just the lapeloma.

1087
01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:44,780
It's just so important.

1088
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:47,260
I mean, we have poetry slams there.

1089
01:37:47,620 --> 01:37:49,800
We've got faith-based programs there.

1090
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:52,560
We've got children's programs, surfing movies.

1091
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:54,240
I mean, this is a surfing community.

1092
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:59,080
They have major sprung surfing premieres at the La Paloma.

1093
01:37:59,620 --> 01:38:01,420
The city needs to support it.

1094
01:38:01,980 --> 01:38:05,440
I'd like to see a commission started by the city

1095
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:09,040
for the renovation improvement of the La Paloma.

1096
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:11,040
I had no idea it was owned by Alan.

1097
01:38:11,180 --> 01:38:12,880
I thought it was owned by a Chinese company

1098
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:15,340
and it was somebody outside the city.

1099
01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:18,600
And I just think it's just a very important part

1100
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:22,000
of inceneetuses, who we are, and what people know about.

1101
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:24,840
It's been there since 1936, 38.

1102
01:38:25,540 --> 01:38:27,060
It's come on, we can't lose it.

1103
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:28,280
It's just got to be improved.

1104
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:31,340
It's got to be made even better than it is.

1105
01:38:31,820 --> 01:38:32,740
Thank you.

1106
01:38:33,380 --> 01:38:36,960
And I can't respond, I can't respond,

1107
01:38:37,300 --> 01:38:40,080
others say it was 1928, so in two years,

1108
01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:41,600
it's the 100th anniversary.

1109
01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:45,180
There is a group, contact me, and we'll get you involved.

1110
01:38:45,480 --> 01:38:46,340
Thank you.

1111
01:38:50,940 --> 01:38:55,000
Beth Whitaker, Beth will be followed by Jeremy Ross,

1112
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:58,900
Diana Cufflow, and then Elena Thompson.

1113
01:39:00,500 --> 01:39:03,660
Hello, I have two things to talk about.

1114
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:05,920
I might only get to one, but if I don't get to the second,

1115
01:39:06,020 --> 01:39:06,880
I know someone else will.

1116
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:13,680
So I live right next to here, and I want to talk about quiet zone,

1117
01:39:13,820 --> 01:39:17,580
because there's funding opportunity that we would need to move on very quickly.

1118
01:39:18,340 --> 01:39:20,740
And I hope I get this right.

1119
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:24,540
So the Federal Railroad Administration's National Railroad Partnership,

1120
01:39:24,540 --> 01:39:31,580
the NRPP is now open. This program prioritizes grade crossing safety projects and has a deadline

1121
01:39:31,580 --> 01:39:37,020
of January 7th. The city is already identified approximately 13.4 million in required

1122
01:39:37,020 --> 01:39:42,120
quiet zone safety upgrades at D Street and East Street and Locadia Boulevard. And this is exactly

1123
01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:49,160
the type of project that the NRPP is designed to fund. We request, along with all of the other

1124
01:39:49,160 --> 01:39:55,160
100 people that live right there and many others that have trouble sleeping through the train.

1125
01:39:55,420 --> 01:39:59,380
I love it here. I can see the ocean, but I also can hear the train.

1126
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:07,280
And we have to, it's quite disruptive, but I still absolutely love it here. Even if this doesn't happen, but I very much want it to happen.

1127
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:28,000
Please direct staff to submit the NRPP application for SNES quiet zone improvements, pursue the FRA railroad crossing elimination program in parallels to fund any remaining planning and environmental review or design work, and coordinate immediately with CPUC, Cal Trans, and SCTD, so that the application is complete and competitive.

1128
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:50,080
Please don't miss this chance to move this project forward that has been a long time coming, and I will just say that I am horrified yet again by the ice raids picking up hardworking neighbors in a brutal and inhumane way. Nothing ever happens to the very wealthy privileged people who hire

1129
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:52,160
who don't want to pay fair wages,

1130
01:40:52,300 --> 01:40:54,000
who don't want to pay union workers,

1131
01:40:54,280 --> 01:40:56,360
so they hire people who are at risk.

1132
01:40:57,140 --> 01:41:00,020
The system is built to have these people in our community

1133
01:41:00,020 --> 01:41:01,040
and they are peaceful.

1134
01:41:01,480 --> 01:41:02,360
These are our neighbors.

1135
01:41:03,480 --> 01:41:03,780
Thank you.

1136
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:07,360
And I think staff may have a comment.

1137
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:09,560
Just to let the public know,

1138
01:41:09,700 --> 01:41:13,120
item 10B on next week's agenda is to talk about

1139
01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:15,860
rail projects for funding, for Council to consider.

1140
01:41:25,160 --> 01:41:25,500
Good evening.

1141
01:41:25,500 --> 01:41:31,920
would like to share a couple of videos from Entenidas, California today, Wednesday, October

1142
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:32,360
15,

1143
01:41:34,440 --> 01:41:34,440
2025.

1144
01:41:45,740 --> 01:41:51,680
This was right off of Entenidas Boulevard, if everyone could please watch it, the next one

1145
01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:52,560
has sound.

1146
01:42:02,050 --> 01:42:09,220
You're looking at a masked gunman with a stun gun and one of our neighbors,

1147
01:42:40,060 --> 01:42:40,420
next one,

1148
01:42:44,420 --> 01:42:44,440
please.

1149
01:42:44,440 --> 01:42:45,900
Tell them on this, please.

1150
01:42:46,740 --> 01:42:48,740
This is just outside that community.

1151
01:42:49,860 --> 01:42:51,100
Right on Entenitis Boulevard.

1152
01:42:57,790 --> 01:43:02,110
These are masks on men running across multiple lanes of traffic in front of our cars,

1153
01:43:02,650 --> 01:43:03,890
hunting down our neighbors.

1154
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:21,720
If anyone in this community is comfortable with these tactics,

1155
01:43:21,860 --> 01:43:25,860
destroying our families, taking parents away from our children,

1156
01:43:26,460 --> 01:43:27,920
please raise your hand and support.

1157
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:37,580
I just asked anyone to raise their hands if they were supportive of these types of actions in our city.

1158
01:43:43,370 --> 01:43:49,730
The next speaker is Diana Kutlo, followed by Elena Thompson, and then Gerard Tanksley.

1159
01:43:52,610 --> 01:43:56,490
And just to, is it beeping three times like it normally does?

1160
01:43:57,970 --> 01:43:59,310
Miss that.

1161
01:44:00,030 --> 01:44:00,370
Good evening.

1162
01:44:00,490 --> 01:44:00,730
Good evening.

1163
01:44:00,890 --> 01:44:02,210
Let's see each other.

1164
01:44:02,650 --> 01:44:05,050
Let me order please.

1165
01:44:05,990 --> 01:44:07,110
Thank you, my dear viewers.

1166
01:44:07,210 --> 01:44:07,910
Deputy Mayor Lines.

1167
01:44:08,030 --> 01:44:08,850
Members of the Council.

1168
01:44:09,050 --> 01:44:11,350
I'm Diana Kutlo representing Senator Blake's beer.

1169
01:44:11,350 --> 01:44:16,510
this evening. First, I'm pleased to announce that the senator was one of only a few senators

1170
01:44:16,510 --> 01:44:21,930
who were able to secure funds from the state budget for projects in District 38. This year,

1171
01:44:21,990 --> 01:44:29,090
the senator secured a total of $7 million, including $1,670,000 for the county of San Diego's

1172
01:44:29,090 --> 01:44:35,290
homeless prevention land-lord assistance program, which is used here in Inceditus. This program encourages

1173
01:44:35,290 --> 01:44:41,730
landlords to rent, to low-income families, veterans, and people experiencing homelessness by offering

1174
01:44:41,730 --> 01:44:46,830
financial incentives and support services that promote housing stability and independent living

1175
01:44:46,830 --> 01:44:51,910
for vulnerable residents. Other projects are received rewards in Solana Beach, Oceanside,

1176
01:44:52,090 --> 01:44:59,970
Mission Viejo, and San Juan Capustrano. And now that the October 12th deadline has passed for the

1177
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:07,840
Report that five of Senator Blake Spears bills were passed. On housing, Senate SB92 was signed, closing a loophole,

1178
01:45:07,940 --> 01:45:14,540
so developers cannot use distanced ebonus laws for hotel projects like the turquoise tower in Pacific

1179
01:45:14,540 --> 01:45:20,560
Beach. The density bonus law is intended to provide affordable housing, much needed affordable housing,

1180
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:26,400
and not be exploited to build luxury hotel rooms. Also, notably, the Senator voted against

1181
01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:33,080
SB-79, which allows more dense development around heavily traveled transit stops.

1182
01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:37,480
Although it passed, it does not look like it will currently apply to insinitous.

1183
01:45:38,460 --> 01:45:45,680
The governor signed SB-477, which enables the civil rights department to be more effective in housing discrimination issues.

1184
01:45:46,440 --> 01:45:51,040
This legislation will strengthen California civil rights law, which has been a model for the nation.

1185
01:45:51,580 --> 01:46:01,580
This week, the governor held a the senator held a press conference in light beach to mark the signing of SB 403, which will make California's end of life option act permanent.

1186
01:46:02,360 --> 01:46:06,660
I'd like to thank Anthony to staff for being so responsive as we plan that event.

1187
01:46:07,620 --> 01:46:09,600
And lastly, thank you.

1188
01:46:09,760 --> 01:46:11,120
Solar tax exclusion bill.

1189
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:11,560
Thank you.

1190
01:46:11,800 --> 01:46:12,940
Thank you.

1191
01:46:12,940 --> 01:46:13,920
Thank you.

1192
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:14,520
This next.

1193
01:46:18,270 --> 01:46:18,670
No.

1194
01:46:19,050 --> 01:46:19,490
You're good.

1195
01:46:19,870 --> 01:46:21,430
And then one more time, Gerard.

1196
01:46:23,650 --> 01:46:24,470
Okay.

1197
01:46:26,470 --> 01:46:31,550
So with that we move on to report from closed session.

1198
01:46:32,250 --> 01:46:34,730
Is it a comment or okay.

1199
01:46:35,290 --> 01:46:41,610
In closed session the city council voted five to zero to terminate our city attorney contract

1200
01:46:41,610 --> 01:46:48,510
with Jones mayor within 45 days and proceed with selecting an interim city attorney.

1201
01:46:48,510 --> 01:46:52,230
So, that is our report out from our closed session.

1202
01:46:53,190 --> 01:46:59,210
Number, say, number seven, we'll move on to changes to agenda, or the any changes to the agenda.

1203
01:46:59,690 --> 01:47:03,910
There are no changes to the posted agenda, and then moving to the consent calendar.

1204
01:47:04,910 --> 01:47:14,870
Let's see, items 8D, 8E, 8F, 8J, 8K, and 8L, have been removed from the consent calendar.

1205
01:47:14,870 --> 01:47:20,970
Okay, and I say E and F where we move by council member O'Hara and the others are removed by the public.

1206
01:47:21,790 --> 01:47:25,310
Okay, and are there any others that anybody wants to pull?

1207
01:47:28,610 --> 01:47:42,370
So I think I will look to entertain a motion for E G 8 H 8 I and 8 M and 8 A B and C.

1208
01:47:43,390 --> 01:47:44,550
Oh, an A B and C, yes, sorry.

1209
01:47:45,490 --> 01:47:52,290
so moved approval second okay we have a motion in a second and

1210
01:47:56,060 --> 01:47:56,740
call the question

1211
01:48:01,780 --> 01:48:10,750
motion carries unanimously it takes us to item eight D okay and is it a member of

1212
01:48:10,750 --> 01:48:17,730
the public and council member O'Hara okay and so do is the member of the public and

1213
01:48:20,730 --> 01:48:30,730
Okay, so go forward with a staff report and assume that's okay.

1214
01:48:31,870 --> 01:48:31,990
Okay.

1215
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:47,820
Good evening, Mayor.

1216
01:48:48,020 --> 01:48:50,580
Council members and members of the public.

1217
01:48:52,760 --> 01:48:56,680
My name is Arizo Heckman, I associate traffic engineer.

1218
01:48:56,680 --> 01:49:07,300
And this item is regarding the installation of proposed guard rail at the North Coast Highway 101 and a portal roundabout.

1219
01:49:10,030 --> 01:49:18,310
So a quick background on this item, so we had a number of collisions following implementation of roundabout, which installed video.

1220
01:49:18,310 --> 01:49:26,670
a three-scale project, so a staff review with the collision records and conducted a three-of-alvation

1221
01:49:27,310 --> 01:49:33,430
to identify the potential improvements at this location.

1222
01:49:35,390 --> 01:49:46,350
During the and the proposed design presented to City Council and in June 2025, City Council approved

1223
01:49:46,350 --> 01:49:49,830
the plans and designs for the installation of boilers,

1224
01:49:50,150 --> 01:49:55,070
rambles strips and additional signage including rectangular rapid flashing

1225
01:49:55,070 --> 01:49:58,210
becomes a dislocation.

1226
01:50:05,250 --> 01:50:08,770
So following this approval,

1227
01:50:11,390 --> 01:50:16,090
your evaluation of the previously proposed boilers by the appointed

1228
01:50:16,090 --> 01:50:25,070
city engineer has determined that a more effective solution exists for improving safety at round

1229
01:50:25,070 --> 01:50:34,170
out, and because the ballers create fixed object hazards for vehicles, so as an alternative,

1230
01:50:35,810 --> 01:50:40,990
staff proposed the installation of guardrail at this location.

1231
01:50:43,370 --> 01:50:53,310
And here in this slide you can see the collision history, so out of 19 from early 2023 to August

1232
01:50:53,310 --> 01:51:04,070
2024, out of 1918 was nighttime collision, 12-D-U-I related collisions, six speed-related

1233
01:51:04,070 --> 01:51:11,850
collisions, two-hit and run, one-improper turn, 10-fix objects, five crossover round

1234
01:51:11,850 --> 01:51:15,970
and for an includes for injury collisions.

1235
01:51:19,340 --> 01:51:24,380
In this slide, you can see the project location,

1236
01:51:25,240 --> 01:51:28,780
so the proposed guardrail will be installed on the south

1237
01:51:28,780 --> 01:51:33,300
west corner and north east corner of the roundabout.

1238
01:51:38,070 --> 01:51:47,590
Here, in this slide, basically is a mockup of the proposed guardrail,

1239
01:51:47,590 --> 01:51:56,690
at this location showing the material and how basically it will look.

1240
01:52:00,440 --> 01:52:08,660
We have this type of guardrails at the north, about 250 feet north of the intersection.

1241
01:52:11,980 --> 01:52:16,560
So this is an example of the guardrail that you're proposing.

1242
01:52:18,120 --> 01:52:20,560
And that concludes my presentation.

1243
01:52:21,060 --> 01:52:21,580
Thank you.

1244
01:52:21,900 --> 01:52:22,120
OK.

1245
01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:25,860
And Jim, would you like to go before or after public comments?

1246
01:52:27,660 --> 01:52:27,800
OK.

1247
01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:33,320
I was just wondering, just for clarification, we will.

1248
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:38,420
When you say 18 nighttime accidents, we're able to secure the time of day of the

1249
01:52:38,420 --> 01:52:38,940
all of those accidents.

1250
01:52:40,220 --> 01:52:41,180
Yeah, absolutely.

1251
01:52:41,800 --> 01:52:42,660
Great question.

1252
01:52:42,660 --> 01:52:54,740
So from those 19 incidences, 17 were between the hours of 8pm and 5am, predominantly between

1253
01:52:54,740 --> 01:53:04,780
about 10pm and 2am. Two of them of the 19 were between 7pm and 8pm. The majority of

1254
01:53:04,780 --> 01:53:07,540
those were Friday and Saturday night incidences.

1255
01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:11,760
Okay, that was a pretty sure you're tracking that down for me.

1256
01:53:12,200 --> 01:53:13,580
Thank you.

1257
01:53:13,580 --> 01:53:15,180
Okay, with that, we'll call public.

1258
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:15,820
Yes.

1259
01:53:16,180 --> 01:53:16,780
Oh, I'm sorry.

1260
01:53:17,160 --> 01:53:17,840
They're being made lines.

1261
01:53:18,260 --> 01:53:20,540
I saw one there and I didn't.

1262
01:53:21,340 --> 01:53:23,160
I have a question of clarification too.

1263
01:53:23,660 --> 01:53:25,240
We've looked at this a lot of different times.

1264
01:53:25,420 --> 01:53:26,540
I'm talking about it in detail.

1265
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:33,780
The prior proposal also had some other improvements, like additional signage.

1266
01:53:33,780 --> 01:53:45,300
And the lit crosswalk is the, is this proposal just meant to indicate the substitution

1267
01:53:45,300 --> 01:53:50,600
of the guardrail for the bullets, but everything else is still, yes, and the other part

1268
01:53:50,600 --> 01:53:55,380
is actually the construction is underway and is anticipated to be completed by

1269
01:53:55,380 --> 01:54:00,660
within two weeks. Thank you. Okay, with that, we'll go to public.

1270
01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:06,860
So you have three speakers, Melissa Sharbar, Elena Thompson, and then Rick Smith.

1271
01:54:11,360 --> 01:54:14,940
Hello, again, speaking on behalf of Safe Streets and Sinitis,

1272
01:54:15,100 --> 01:54:18,800
we're focused on ensuring that pedestrian, cyclists, and driver safety

1273
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:22,120
are always at the forefront of decision-making in our city.

1274
01:54:22,760 --> 01:54:25,240
We want the city to address the real issues and

1275
01:54:25,240 --> 01:54:31,800
need is driving under the influence, distracted driving, and speeding. The guardrails proposed for the 101

1276
01:54:31,800 --> 01:54:38,820
roundabout would be paid for out of the safe routes to school budget. We feel that this 60k would

1277
01:54:38,820 --> 01:54:44,840
be better used in other areas like enforcement, red light cameras, speed cameras, and infrastructure

1278
01:54:44,840 --> 01:54:51,380
changes. These are mitigations that we feel will truly make ins need a safer. Thank you.

1279
01:54:57,620 --> 01:54:59,960
Good evening. Thank you, Elena Thompson.

1280
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:09,940
So I think this is a terrible idea, frankly speaking. I live in Lucadia and actually we have been waiting for the streetscape to be completed now.

1281
01:55:10,180 --> 01:55:17,940
It's about nine years late in getting finished. And we've been extra anxious to see those guardrails removed as part of the streetscape.

1282
01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:29,120
So no one wants guardrails any longer. Those were invoked back in the forties when we didn't have the i5 and people were speeding on the 101, the only northwest highway.

1283
01:55:29,120 --> 01:55:36,040
So, as the last speaker said, and I totally agree with, we need to really address the root causes of the issues that we have.

1284
01:55:36,280 --> 01:55:47,980
And particularly that 17 of these DUIs are between 8 AM or excuse me, 8 PM and 5 AM, the fact is the root causes are drunk driving.

1285
01:55:47,980 --> 01:55:53,000
And Sanitus has become the PB of North County, and that's a fact and really unfortunate.

1286
01:55:53,760 --> 01:56:02,440
Cannabis use is a problem with three dispensaries on our highway 101, distracted driving, people texting, and then speeding.

1287
01:56:02,780 --> 01:56:05,680
This is what the statistics point to.

1288
01:56:05,900 --> 01:56:12,880
So to put up ugly guardrails and take away the beauty of our streetscape is really a bad idea.

1289
01:56:12,880 --> 01:56:21,680
So, I would commend the sheriff team for their stepped up enforcement and encourage more of that and send the message that

1290
01:56:21,680 --> 01:56:27,540
Encinatus is not the place to be drunk because we're going to take it you and you're going to get thrown out of our town

1291
01:56:27,540 --> 01:56:35,360
So, let's not resort to this. I think boulders were a better solution some aesthetic rock design if anything. Thank you.

1292
01:56:40,520 --> 01:56:41,020
Okay.

1293
01:56:41,020 --> 01:56:43,420
Oh, sorry, there's one more.

1294
01:56:43,960 --> 01:56:47,640
And then we do have one speaker Molly Hintley and Registry and Opposition to the recommended

1295
01:56:47,640 --> 01:56:49,400
action, but does not much to speak.

1296
01:56:52,070 --> 01:56:53,270
My name is Rick Smith.

1297
01:56:53,670 --> 01:56:56,930
I own the property at 396, North Coast Highway 101.

1298
01:56:59,890 --> 01:57:04,130
I see the pictures of the ballards and everything, so I came down to date, I came down

1299
01:57:04,130 --> 01:57:06,750
to the Katie Boulevard, turned south on 101.

1300
01:57:08,350 --> 01:57:11,930
Maybe about halfway down, there's some of the ballards in front of a tree.

1301
01:57:11,930 --> 01:57:20,610
And then there's maybe one more ballad, then you get down by the surfboard shop and there's more ballads there on trees that's the only thing.

1302
01:57:21,170 --> 01:57:25,150
When you come down the other way in front of the panic and then everything, there's no ballads.

1303
01:57:25,730 --> 01:57:33,030
So you have 75 to 100 people sitting 20 feet from the streets drinking coffee and there's no ballads.

1304
01:57:33,410 --> 01:57:37,850
I sit there more than anybody in this room every day looking at that.

1305
01:57:37,850 --> 01:57:45,730
By the time we get the yield of traffic in this circle and everything, I'm all for a more aesthetic pleasing.

1306
01:57:45,930 --> 01:57:48,010
This is part of the leukemia entrance.

1307
01:57:49,050 --> 01:57:51,690
And I said, can you make it look better?

1308
01:57:51,890 --> 01:57:54,410
And he goes, not really, that's not our job.

1309
01:57:54,610 --> 01:57:57,250
Our job is engineering, putting something that's safe.

1310
01:57:57,650 --> 01:57:59,810
Anything aesthetic, that's up to us.

1311
01:58:00,030 --> 01:58:01,390
We have to put it in.

1312
01:58:01,830 --> 01:58:02,850
That's not their concern.

1313
01:58:03,510 --> 01:58:05,450
So hopefully we can come up with a plan.

1314
01:58:05,450 --> 01:58:12,430
I know there's some light things, light boxes that people have put things on, plastics,

1315
01:58:12,650 --> 01:58:17,770
stuff that was pretty, my shop. I have painted on the back, the things are more murals around

1316
01:58:17,770 --> 01:58:23,570
if we can do something with that, but that would last. But seeing these rust belts in front of

1317
01:58:24,450 --> 01:58:29,610
the Katie at last, I don't really like. Thank you. Ms. Mr. Smith, quickly. Ms. Smith,

1318
01:58:29,610 --> 01:58:31,270
Rick, Rick, sorry.

1319
01:58:32,230 --> 01:58:34,130
You said ballad, did you mean guardrails?

1320
01:58:34,830 --> 01:58:38,650
Well, no, we had talked for a while about doing ballads, and then you

1321
01:58:38,650 --> 01:58:41,670
look okay to think about putting sleeves over the ballads.

1322
01:58:41,990 --> 01:58:44,590
We also talked about using braverwise ties.

1323
01:58:45,030 --> 01:58:48,590
But that was the most expensive option, because we had to pour footings.

1324
01:58:48,850 --> 01:58:52,070
Somewhere around here, they have done that, Delmar, wherever.

1325
01:58:52,630 --> 01:58:54,390
But that was the most expensive thing.

1326
01:58:54,830 --> 01:58:56,450
But aesthetically, it was very pleasing.

1327
01:58:58,570 --> 01:59:01,450
Engineering is going to rule here, so I don't have a lot of choice.

1328
01:59:01,710 --> 01:59:03,250
I just would like something that's appealing.

1329
01:59:04,750 --> 01:59:04,830
Sorry.

1330
01:59:05,330 --> 01:59:09,550
And when you're talking about ballads on the 101 driving down the road,

1331
01:59:09,590 --> 01:59:13,970
those are ballads specifically, because there's, we also have pictures of

1332
01:59:13,970 --> 01:59:15,490
guardrail on some of the locations you mentioned.

1333
01:59:16,310 --> 01:59:18,190
I just want to make sure we're all talking in the same language.

1334
01:59:18,390 --> 01:59:21,110
The only guardrail that I know from the Katie Boulevard,

1335
01:59:21,330 --> 01:59:23,610
and it's an usable of art, is on the east side.

1336
01:59:24,130 --> 01:59:28,190
There's no panic in all of the restaurants and we'll keep you blessed. There's there's nothing there.

1337
01:59:28,410 --> 01:59:33,790
My shop does have ballots. There's one in front of the cars that pull in because one car

1338
01:59:33,790 --> 01:59:38,290
back 40 years ago did go into the building. Then I put more in front of the windows.

1339
01:59:38,850 --> 01:59:45,470
Then the city put more right at the start of the curve. Maybe four years ago a car hit it

1340
01:59:45,470 --> 01:59:52,230
and he was going fast. It pressed into his is the right into the engine. But the battery just went like this

1341
01:59:52,230 --> 01:59:59,750
about six inches. So when he's saying we have to have this ugly thing on there, that's extreme, that that's extreme.

1342
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:07,340
I understand safety. That's why I'm here pushing for the wind in the circle yield to the traffic and the rumble strips.

1343
02:00:08,420 --> 02:00:12,520
So, thank you. I appreciate the clarification. Thank you. It's helpful. It's going to be a good discussion.

1344
02:00:13,940 --> 02:00:19,380
Okay. That's it. Okay. And so, Deputy Mayor line's going first.

1345
02:00:19,380 --> 02:00:24,500
Dan, would you pull up a visual of what the prior approved

1346
02:00:25,820 --> 02:00:27,820
Bolard's solution was?

1347
02:00:29,780 --> 02:00:34,440
And why, what's the difference in cost between that

1348
02:00:34,440 --> 02:00:35,840
and the guardrail?

1349
02:00:36,580 --> 02:00:41,360
Because it appears that we're saying that,

1350
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:42,780
because we're switching to guardrail,

1351
02:00:42,920 --> 02:00:44,960
it's going to be $60,000 more.

1352
02:00:44,960 --> 02:00:50,260
So, I want some clarification on that from you, please.

1353
02:00:51,460 --> 02:00:52,960
Yeah, I apologize, Deputy Mayor.

1354
02:00:53,440 --> 02:00:59,000
I do not have an exhibit that shows the previously approved ballards.

1355
02:00:59,880 --> 02:01:04,440
Now, what I can do is I can try to describe them in my best ability.

1356
02:01:05,620 --> 02:01:10,400
If you look at the picture, actually, I would say the bottom right.

1357
02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:14,940
you can see ballers that are currently protecting the KDA glass.

1358
02:01:16,280 --> 02:01:22,020
So the previously council approved direction was to install ballers that would have been very similar

1359
02:01:22,020 --> 02:01:29,100
in nature to that with an offset of about three feet each. So three foot on center and those

1360
02:01:29,100 --> 02:01:36,740
ballers would have a probably a wooden cover on them to give them a little bit more of an aesthetic look.

1361
02:01:36,740 --> 02:01:41,800
Okay. Thank you. What about the cost that's being proposed?

1362
02:01:42,460 --> 02:01:50,800
So the cost for those four ballards that were installed was roughly $60,000.

1363
02:01:52,800 --> 02:01:59,720
The cost for what we are estimating for both of the guard rails is roughly $50,000.

1364
02:02:01,100 --> 02:02:03,840
So we don't need any extra money.

1365
02:02:04,280 --> 02:02:08,680
We are just saying that the guard derails are going to be a substitute for the ballards, the

1366
02:02:08,680 --> 02:02:11,060
60,000 should have already been in the contract.

1367
02:02:11,880 --> 02:02:18,320
We won't need additional dollars, that's correct, and really the thing that is important

1368
02:02:18,320 --> 02:02:24,700
here is, unfortunately, ballards are considered fixed objects in the transportation design

1369
02:02:24,700 --> 02:02:31,180
world, those fixed objects cannot be located within the clear recovery zone of a vehicle.

1370
02:02:31,640 --> 02:02:37,980
directly at the curb line is the clear recovery zone, so that is an extremely dangerous location

1371
02:02:37,980 --> 02:02:43,040
to have fixed objects. We can have them away from the right away, or I say the edge of travel

1372
02:02:43,040 --> 02:02:49,980
way, where we do in this picture at Locadia Glass, that's okay, but at the curb line is an extremely

1373
02:02:51,360 --> 02:02:54,920
dangerous location from a health and safety standpoint for vehicles.

1374
02:02:56,380 --> 02:02:58,320
And I'll just conclude with a comment.

1375
02:02:58,800 --> 02:03:04,000
I really care about safety for the public, the driving public, the walking public, the

1376
02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:04,660
biking public.

1377
02:03:05,500 --> 02:03:08,820
So, I, you know, that's your primary job is to help us with safety.

1378
02:03:09,380 --> 02:03:12,040
However, the aesthetics are imperative.

1379
02:03:13,100 --> 02:03:18,800
We invest a lot in the aesthetics, especially through this part of the community where we

1380
02:03:18,800 --> 02:03:20,660
have a lot of really recent improvements.

1381
02:03:22,180 --> 02:03:28,120
I would really like to lean towards what we're hearing our constituents say that we want

1382
02:03:28,120 --> 02:03:33,780
something more aesthetic and if there's another option for ballards where it would also then

1383
02:03:33,780 --> 02:03:39,860
address the safety in a way that gets out of the clear zone that may be where I will lean.

1384
02:03:40,580 --> 02:03:42,260
But I'll listen to what my colleagues have to say.

1385
02:03:42,560 --> 02:03:43,100
Thank you.

1386
02:03:43,100 --> 02:03:44,480
So I'll hop in next.

1387
02:03:45,940 --> 02:03:51,760
I'm going to go back a little in the time and there used to be guardrails along parts of

1388
02:03:51,760 --> 02:03:52,040
101.

1389
02:03:52,300 --> 02:03:53,300
They were not rusted.

1390
02:03:53,700 --> 02:03:58,760
They were not the pentina, as it was called, and Jayce, if you want to hop in here, you may

1391
02:03:58,760 --> 02:04:00,640
remember some of these discussions.

1392
02:04:00,760 --> 02:04:10,220
It was actually a design choice 15, 20 years ago to go to the patina, rust covered replacements,

1393
02:04:10,220 --> 02:04:12,620
they are that you see further up on 101.

1394
02:04:13,520 --> 02:04:16,940
So I don't agree that the streetscape, which

1395
02:04:16,940 --> 02:04:18,900
started 20 years ago, right?

1396
02:04:18,900 --> 02:04:20,480
Honestly, it's morphed a little.

1397
02:04:20,780 --> 02:04:23,480
It didn't start with that to take out the guardrails.

1398
02:04:23,820 --> 02:04:26,740
It was actually selected to put in the rusty ones

1399
02:04:26,740 --> 02:04:28,320
and for whatever right or wrong.

1400
02:04:28,360 --> 02:04:30,100
I wasn't up here, but I'm just saying

1401
02:04:30,100 --> 02:04:32,000
I was in the meeting meeting room.

1402
02:04:32,940 --> 02:04:35,300
And so I don't agree that it's necessarily

1403
02:04:35,300 --> 02:04:37,660
a purpose up here to get rid of them.

1404
02:04:37,660 --> 02:04:45,200
Dan, I think you hit on the difference between a ballad or a rock, rock would be the same as putting a ballad right there on the edge, fixed object.

1405
02:04:45,420 --> 02:04:46,100
That's exactly.

1406
02:04:46,200 --> 02:04:52,880
It does not deflect a car, and I know in the traffic engineers, a previous testimony for us.

1407
02:04:53,220 --> 02:04:57,780
His comment was, we need two ballads to stop a car. I can't one wouldn't do it, they would go through it.

1408
02:04:58,140 --> 02:04:59,960
And so the purpose of a...

1409
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:07,700
Connected guardrail type structure is that it deflects them, and it may put damage all over that car, but it

1410
02:05:07,700 --> 02:05:13,700
puts them back, keeps them in the roadway, so to speak, bumper car, if you will. That's really the functional purpose.

1411
02:05:13,880 --> 02:05:22,400
Whatever structure goes there, it should be a deflector structure, not a fixed object to use the terminology of a traffic engineer,

1412
02:05:24,860 --> 02:05:24,860
so.

1413
02:05:25,420 --> 02:05:28,340
Yeah, and I actually think it's a better approach.

1414
02:05:28,740 --> 02:05:36,300
I think for the very reason you just gave what we're concerned about is people and on a straight

1415
02:05:36,300 --> 02:05:41,200
away, it's much, much less of a problem, which is why you don't see guardrails all along

1416
02:05:41,200 --> 02:05:47,560
southbound, but where you suddenly put them into a traffic circle where the car has to negotiate

1417
02:05:47,560 --> 02:05:53,040
right and then back left, that's where we've seen the traffic history, the accident history

1418
02:05:53,040 --> 02:05:58,220
shows that we have problems, especially in the northbound, and especially three quarters of

1419
02:05:58,220 --> 02:06:02,420
them, my recollection are due to drunk driving. And as you heard tonight from Captain

1420
02:06:02,420 --> 02:06:08,940
Watts, we are absolutely focusing on drunk driving and enforcement. He told you about that's

1421
02:06:08,940 --> 02:06:13,740
what we're using the two new traffic enforcement force. So we will do that. It's not even

1422
02:06:13,740 --> 02:06:19,340
negotiable. But that said, we still want to make the structure safe because whatever we do,

1423
02:06:19,340 --> 02:06:22,260
whatever this group does up here, we will make it safer.

1424
02:06:22,460 --> 02:06:23,820
We will not make it less safe.

1425
02:06:24,420 --> 02:06:26,480
And so I actually support this recommendation.

1426
02:06:26,900 --> 02:06:31,360
I thought that the ballards were a very expensive target object.

1427
02:06:31,880 --> 02:06:34,100
And every time they get hit, they have to get replaced.

1428
02:06:34,800 --> 02:06:38,140
This, I think you're getting more glancing blows and re-directions.

1429
02:06:38,500 --> 02:06:40,840
It'll get a little, the patina will get scraped up.

1430
02:06:41,020 --> 02:06:43,420
And a car will definitely get scraped up.

1431
02:06:44,440 --> 02:06:46,720
So I'm supportive of this approach.

1432
02:06:46,720 --> 02:06:53,180
I'm open to other ideas if they will deflect cars rather than stopping them.

1433
02:06:53,500 --> 02:06:57,040
But I want to go a step further and I appreciate the fact that we talked about all the

1434
02:06:57,040 --> 02:07:00,040
other fixes, the rumble strips, the signage.

1435
02:07:00,840 --> 02:07:05,840
I wanted to make sure and I looked at our other traffic circles in particular the ones on

1436
02:07:05,840 --> 02:07:06,780
the Katie Boulevard.

1437
02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:13,380
At each entry there is a one-way sign and a black and white, one-way sign and a black

1438
02:07:13,380 --> 02:07:15,340
and white Chevron sign.

1439
02:07:15,340 --> 02:07:27,920
And I think that's part of the reason we've had a huge increase, a thousand percent, a three orders of magnitude increase in traffic accident at this intersection since going to the roundabout.

1440
02:07:28,160 --> 02:07:30,540
If you drive it at night, it's dark.

1441
02:07:30,940 --> 02:07:32,860
And you don't notice that you need to go around something.

1442
02:07:33,060 --> 02:07:36,280
So we need to just like we did it in the Katie Boulevard.

1443
02:07:36,360 --> 02:07:37,960
I think we need to add that signage.

1444
02:07:38,080 --> 02:07:39,680
I don't know if that's in the current plan.

1445
02:07:39,940 --> 02:07:43,900
If not, I'd like to add it in tonight's recommendation.

1446
02:07:43,900 --> 02:07:49,560
so if you'd like to respond. Yeah absolutely agreed and and those

1447
02:07:49,560 --> 02:07:54,820
Chevron's are what we consider a standard uniform application at these

1448
02:07:54,820 --> 02:08:00,780
roundabout so that would be perfect and perfect. And if you would I do have

1449
02:08:00,780 --> 02:08:07,580
another potential suggestion for Council to to maybe deliberate tonight. We are

1450
02:08:07,580 --> 02:08:11,380
installing these these new traffic enhancements in the next couple weeks

1451
02:08:11,380 --> 02:08:19,420
meaning our additional signage and markings, we can take the next six months, see how

1452
02:08:20,600 --> 02:08:28,500
the signage and markings are being adhered to by drivers, get six months of additional

1453
02:08:28,500 --> 02:08:34,340
data, we have historic data, and that can give us a pretty good idea if the signage and

1454
02:08:34,340 --> 02:08:38,880
striping that we are installing in the next couple of weeks are going to do the trick,

1455
02:08:38,880 --> 02:08:46,860
or whether we really need to go out there with another device to ensure safety for a not only

1456
02:08:46,860 --> 02:08:48,780
locating glass, but also pedestrians.

1457
02:08:49,960 --> 02:08:50,040
Okay.

1458
02:08:50,420 --> 02:08:51,240
Appreciate that.

1459
02:08:52,060 --> 02:08:58,420
And I don't believe we currently have there's an RFB flashing light system at the crossing

1460
02:08:58,420 --> 02:08:58,700
there.

1461
02:08:58,840 --> 02:09:00,860
It's a very popular school crossing.

1462
02:09:02,080 --> 02:09:06,720
I don't believe we currently have lights down in the street level.

1463
02:09:07,540 --> 02:09:12,000
And is that something we could add, do you have an estimate about how much that would cost?

1464
02:09:12,880 --> 02:09:15,320
There actually are streetlights or pedestrian.

1465
02:09:15,840 --> 02:09:19,200
I mean, they're technically streetlights and roadway lights.

1466
02:09:19,380 --> 02:09:21,600
But they're not the cobra overhead lights.

1467
02:09:22,180 --> 02:09:25,340
Actually in the picture, the top left you can see.

1468
02:09:25,620 --> 02:09:27,360
They're the acorn luminaires.

1469
02:09:28,380 --> 02:09:31,160
So it is a lit intersection?

1470
02:09:31,660 --> 02:09:34,700
No, no, I'm talking about the flashing or the RFV.

1471
02:09:34,700 --> 02:09:42,860
So yeah, we're installing that as part of our signage and all the RRFBs I see in our town and I think most around

1472
02:09:42,860 --> 02:09:50,800
Just have the two vertical signs and each with lights on it, but there are some options where you can actually put them in the roadway

1473
02:09:51,600 --> 02:09:59,940
And I've talked to other mayors and they're talking about going that way because I've noticed and I've been out in front of SDA where there's an RF

1474
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:29,580
I've seen people almost get, people don't stop. They get past the the signage, past the your flashing lights, and they just keep going. And if it was in the roadway, a couple, three lights that for each crossing, that in road lighting, that's what I'm talking about. That that's always a potential. I would like to know how much that would cost and whether that's an additional safety enhancement on this very critical route to to and from school.

1475
02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:37,660
on a very busy road. So, and I think that would make the RRFP far more safe even even a better

1476
02:10:37,660 --> 02:10:43,300
enhancement. We can absolutely come back with a potential cost estimate for that. Okay.

1477
02:10:44,260 --> 02:10:46,880
And with that, I will yield to Councilmember O'Hare.

1478
02:10:48,910 --> 02:10:54,850
So, I want to pause from the subject because there's a lot in this item. The first thing

1479
02:10:54,850 --> 02:11:03,490
want to point out is, I would like to in the future not see items that are voted on by council

1480
02:11:04,630 --> 02:11:10,330
changed by staff and then put on a consent calendar. I think we need to provide transparency

1481
02:11:11,550 --> 02:11:20,110
to our to our residents. This is not something we want to create a precedent of doing.

1482
02:11:20,630 --> 02:11:28,090
So I think when Council makes a decision on something that we all have discussed twice now,

1483
02:11:28,710 --> 02:11:31,830
it doesn't belong to come back to us on the consent calendar.

1484
02:11:32,530 --> 02:11:37,310
We owe the public the time for us to have a discussion about it if it's going to come back to us three times.

1485
02:11:38,850 --> 02:11:41,590
Okay, so I'm going to move on from that.

1486
02:11:41,670 --> 02:11:44,630
I appreciate it listening and I know that that's not going to be a problem going forward.

1487
02:11:46,730 --> 02:11:47,970
We have a couple of issues here.

1488
02:11:49,030 --> 02:11:55,330
One of them is a DUI issue, I think Melissa spoke to that, and I think this is numbers speak to that.

1489
02:11:55,590 --> 02:12:03,770
Majority of the accidents between 10 and 2 AM, 18 at night time, majority of which are DUI related.

1490
02:12:05,750 --> 02:12:11,970
This is not a school hour time issue. This is a DUI issue.

1491
02:12:13,910 --> 02:12:18,190
I'm speaking for the Council, but I know we are along with the Sheriff's Department dedicated

1492
02:12:19,150 --> 02:12:24,670
to continuing to work forward to address that issue in the city, in multiple ways, with

1493
02:12:24,670 --> 02:12:30,590
the help of the city staff, and it is a prong of this specific intersection where these

1494
02:12:30,590 --> 02:12:36,610
incidences are, I would say, directly related if that's too much on our statement to DUI's.

1495
02:12:36,910 --> 02:12:39,030
And it falls in us to continue to work.

1496
02:12:39,030 --> 02:12:43,990
You saw the numbers sitting are improving and where our Sheriff is doing a fantastic job

1497
02:12:43,990 --> 02:12:44,910
and we're going to continue to better.

1498
02:12:45,010 --> 02:12:47,710
We're going to do better next time with the budget around to find more ways to support

1499
02:12:47,710 --> 02:12:50,510
them and support this community in this issue.

1500
02:12:51,030 --> 02:12:54,470
I know the city staff and COVID enforcement are also working on it.

1501
02:12:54,510 --> 02:12:59,110
But I think that is one of the issues with this intersection specifically.

1502
02:13:01,230 --> 02:13:05,330
So, the intersection itself,

1503
02:13:08,290 --> 02:13:09,850
again, we voted twice in this intersection.

1504
02:13:09,850 --> 02:13:13,190
and it came back last time we voted for the statics myself

1505
02:13:13,190 --> 02:13:16,010
in Council, Deputy Mayor Lines, I'm sorry.

1506
02:13:17,430 --> 02:13:20,790
Really pushed this subject and Council was grateful

1507
02:13:20,790 --> 02:13:22,450
that Council support us in that.

1508
02:13:24,410 --> 02:13:25,370
I still stand by that.

1509
02:13:25,410 --> 02:13:28,730
Can we bring out the picture of the intersection

1510
02:13:28,730 --> 02:13:32,550
with the guardrail, if it weren't, there we go.

1511
02:13:32,970 --> 02:13:37,150
So, we had cyclists in here talking about safe spaces.

1512
02:13:39,030 --> 02:13:42,730
If you're in your bike, and I've witnessed this, I was at Panic and I'm at the Louvre,

1513
02:13:42,730 --> 02:13:47,010
Louvre's director of the day, I watched multiple go through this very intersection,

1514
02:13:47,930 --> 02:13:55,130
just yesterday, and there were issues where cyclists and cars still don't know how to interact.

1515
02:13:55,810 --> 02:13:57,990
For better, for worse, who's right and who's wrong doesn't matter.

1516
02:13:58,530 --> 02:14:01,270
It's how the interact and what actually happens when they put the rubber to the road.

1517
02:14:02,490 --> 02:14:07,730
When you put this up, what you provide is a space that when these cars and bicycles overlap

1518
02:14:07,730 --> 02:14:12,130
next to each other, you leave nowhere for cyclists to go or then to get pinned against

1519
02:14:12,130 --> 02:14:12,910
that guardrail.

1520
02:14:16,590 --> 02:14:20,050
And I can't support that for safety purposes.

1521
02:14:21,870 --> 02:14:28,110
I, for aesthetic purposes, I do think our solution last time was good, but I do also think

1522
02:14:28,110 --> 02:14:32,750
follow back on previous conversation, which again was with a different engineer, which I very

1523
02:14:32,750 --> 02:14:37,710
much appreciate. You're looking at this. I've since looked up whether we can put bolder

1524
02:14:37,710 --> 02:14:42,550
there because we were told we couldn't because they would come, they would become flying objects

1525
02:14:42,550 --> 02:14:51,590
for like a little way to put it if somebody hit them. Yeah. But I've met with other traffic engineers

1526
02:14:51,590 --> 02:14:57,250
on the city since then and who tell me that that is not the case. I'll point at the intersection

1527
02:14:57,250 --> 02:14:59,970
in the community of Rio, the roundabout community of Rio on St. Clemente.

1528
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:06,480
A several new port beach, San Juan Capustra, and also uses rocks in certain places to provide aesthetic safety.

1529
02:15:07,340 --> 02:15:18,260
And the reason I stand back by this decision, and I want to ask the council to move forward to bring it back to either the original or the previously decided option or to explore putting rocks.

1530
02:15:18,900 --> 02:15:23,000
That would provide spacing between the rocks for someone to bail out, should they need to.

1531
02:15:23,000 --> 02:15:28,020
Um, most of these accidents are, um, DUIs when they deflect, they're probably just gonna hit

1532
02:15:28,020 --> 02:15:28,680
something else.

1533
02:15:28,780 --> 02:15:31,460
They're gonna bounce off the guardrail and they're gonna go across and hit on the, whatever's

1534
02:15:31,460 --> 02:15:32,320
on the other side of the street.

1535
02:15:32,700 --> 02:15:35,480
And I think we saw that, unfortunately, we saw that it shot a 101.

1536
02:15:36,240 --> 02:15:39,680
He hit a, we don't have a police report, um, speculating him.

1537
02:15:40,500 --> 02:15:44,080
But here's on one side of the street, he hit something, he went diagonally the other way across

1538
02:15:44,080 --> 02:15:44,880
the street.

1539
02:15:45,400 --> 02:15:47,240
Um, guardrail's on the whole thing.

1540
02:15:48,220 --> 02:15:50,180
Um, so where are we gonna deflect them to?

1541
02:15:50,180 --> 02:15:53,160
I think that's an important part of this that we're not looking at.

1542
02:15:53,200 --> 02:15:56,020
We're looking at what's going to happen and I'm not going to progress.

1543
02:15:57,120 --> 02:16:03,940
So I'm going to roll back to asking council to keep the decision we made previously,

1544
02:16:05,580 --> 02:16:10,280
or to consider putting rocks in there because we can't have fixed those rocks to the ground

1545
02:16:10,660 --> 02:16:11,040
correct.

1546
02:16:12,560 --> 02:16:13,420
That's correct, yeah.

1547
02:16:13,640 --> 02:16:17,600
Can't out of fix them and if they are too large, they would be considered a fixed object

1548
02:16:17,600 --> 02:16:19,700
because they would not move with the collision of a vehicle.

1549
02:16:21,380 --> 02:16:22,380
if somebody were to hit them.

1550
02:16:22,760 --> 02:16:25,100
It's not the concern of a rock flying.

1551
02:16:25,340 --> 02:16:32,280
The concern would be a car running directly into a folder,

1552
02:16:32,620 --> 02:16:34,820
and then it's stopping completely in a tracks

1553
02:16:34,820 --> 02:16:36,480
and then severely injuring.

1554
02:16:36,920 --> 02:16:38,820
San Clement, didn't you have four pages in San Juan?

1555
02:16:38,840 --> 02:16:40,000
Don't seem to have that concern.

1556
02:16:44,760 --> 02:16:47,800
And I do think to many people's points

1557
02:16:47,800 --> 02:16:50,320
that we have spent an exorbitant amount

1558
02:16:50,320 --> 02:16:58,520
on street scape, and the aesthetic is part of it, so I think we have to do the priority of protecting

1559
02:16:58,520 --> 02:17:05,180
a building like Located Glass. Obviously protecting our pedestrians, but I don't think a guard

1560
02:17:05,180 --> 02:17:09,300
rail is the way to do it. I'm going to yield the floor from the moment.

1561
02:17:09,960 --> 02:17:11,320
Council Member San Antonio.

1562
02:17:19,540 --> 02:17:24,580
Really no. Right now. I mean, the guard rail that I've heard it several

1563
02:17:24,580 --> 02:17:29,640
times as well about being pinned against those. That that would be a possibility. So for me

1564
02:17:30,380 --> 02:17:34,920
that's kind of a no-go for me. Now you're not looking off for the cyclists and clearly one

1565
02:17:34,920 --> 02:17:41,580
of one is used for quite a bit of cycling, whether they're going north or south. I might be just

1566
02:17:41,580 --> 02:17:44,340
quite a bit myself back in my heyday.

1567
02:17:46,620 --> 02:17:52,560
I guess, I mean, I understand that the patina is not

1568
02:17:53,240 --> 02:17:58,620
likeable, but good people paint that to be a mural or, you know, they get pretty.

1569
02:18:00,240 --> 02:18:07,500
But I do understand that I do understand what you're saying, Dan, but I understand we talked

1570
02:18:07,500 --> 02:18:15,040
about this and that it is, you know, all the legal parts of it, well that it's in a,

1571
02:18:15,040 --> 02:18:16,300
you know, in that part of the road,

1572
02:18:20,280 --> 02:18:24,660
but, and Councilman of San Antonio, if I could, I know

1573
02:18:24,660 --> 02:18:28,100
There's been both yourself and Councilmember O'Hara.

1574
02:18:28,960 --> 02:18:35,000
You have mentioned the concerns about bicycles being trapped between a vehicle and the

1575
02:18:35,000 --> 02:18:35,420
guardrail.

1576
02:18:35,820 --> 02:18:41,120
One thing I did want to mention to you guys, for this particular roundabout, we actually do have

1577
02:18:41,120 --> 02:18:42,160
bicycle ramps.

1578
02:18:42,840 --> 02:18:50,440
So if you look at the top left picture, that ramp is for bicyclists to actually utilize

1579
02:18:50,440 --> 02:18:55,960
of the sidewalk and share the sidewalk with pedestrians. And then they're able to exit, if you

1580
02:18:55,960 --> 02:19:03,060
look at the bottom right picture, that ramp exits them back to the bicycle.

1581
02:19:05,260 --> 02:19:06,080
It's just tough

1582
02:19:06,080 --> 02:19:10,820
because the span, you know, the span next cruise. And just wanted to make it clear because that

1583
02:19:10,820 --> 02:19:17,240
was something that I didn't make clear to you guys during briefings. So I want you to understand that

1584
02:19:17,240 --> 02:19:23,820
casual writer is likely to utilize the bike ramp, so that was just one piece of information

1585
02:19:23,820 --> 02:19:24,820
one you guys have.

1586
02:19:25,060 --> 02:19:29,420
Yeah, and I do understand that I'm a majority of the absence are in the late late night

1587
02:19:29,420 --> 02:19:29,960
early morning,

1588
02:19:34,750 --> 02:19:35,690
but it's a tough one.

1589
02:19:35,910 --> 02:19:37,590
So try to do the best for the city.

1590
02:19:38,190 --> 02:19:39,230
I'll just I'll yield for right now.

1591
02:19:39,590 --> 02:19:40,390
Okay, Deputy Mayor Lines.

1592
02:19:40,670 --> 02:19:41,070
Thank you.

1593
02:19:41,130 --> 02:19:41,970
This is really informative.

1594
02:19:42,490 --> 02:19:43,350
So thanks Dan.

1595
02:19:44,050 --> 02:19:49,370
I'm going to ask a question about safety and then I'm going to lean in on the aesthetics.

1596
02:19:50,630 --> 02:19:56,110
So can you remind me what the speed limit is here on the section of the 101?

1597
02:19:58,230 --> 02:19:59,950
I believe it's 25 miles an hour.

1598
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:11,580
That's what I thought. So good. I got your support for that. Given the speed, I know the

1599
02:20:11,580 --> 02:20:22,860
clear zone is a smaller clear zone. So I also believe that a curb changes the need for a broader

1600
02:20:22,860 --> 02:20:29,700
clear zone. So we've got a curve on on one side and I think that's the side where we have

1601
02:20:29,700 --> 02:20:30,720
the most concern.

1602
02:20:33,400 --> 02:20:40,220
That's where we were originally showing the bullets. So because we've got 25 miles

1603
02:20:40,220 --> 02:20:46,760
an hour as there's been them. If people are going that and we're going to enforce it then and we

1604
02:20:46,760 --> 02:20:55,220
have a curb, correct? Yeah, we do. That kind of lowers my concern for risk here and safety

1605
02:20:55,220 --> 02:21:03,580
in that I would like to defer back to the bullets that we had for the aesthetic reasons. We

1606
02:21:03,580 --> 02:21:09,160
really fated that carefully and I felt like we got a lot of concurrence that that was the right

1607
02:21:09,160 --> 02:21:18,240
approach. So it's a little bit of, yeah, we are understanding there may be vehicles that would

1608
02:21:18,240 --> 02:21:25,260
go off the road, or at least there has been in the past. So the bullard would then stop the car.

1609
02:21:26,460 --> 02:21:31,800
But it wouldn't do the things that I'm concerned on hearing like trapped the bicycles.

1610
02:21:31,800 --> 02:21:41,220
So, I would like to put a motion forward that we go back to our initial approach with the

1611
02:21:41,220 --> 02:21:47,920
bolers that were approved at the last time we heard this and also look into the

1612
02:21:47,920 --> 02:21:53,720
pavement lights as recommended by the mayor for cost for addition to the project.

1613
02:21:55,720 --> 02:22:01,700
Okay, Council Member Sefer. Thank you. Just to go back to the safety. If you look at

1614
02:22:01,700 --> 02:22:05,420
You can pull up the trees down the road in the 100 years.

1615
02:22:06,000 --> 02:22:08,280
So the reason that these are here is so you don't hit that tree.

1616
02:22:08,440 --> 02:22:13,180
If you hit that tree, you deflect away the whole point of not the ballers and they can't

1617
02:22:13,180 --> 02:22:15,100
be right there is when you hit it, you stop.

1618
02:22:16,100 --> 02:22:18,580
And so this is not called a purpose, it's called an accident.

1619
02:22:19,500 --> 02:22:23,160
And so when somebody goes through there and they have an accident, they have to make sure that

1620
02:22:23,160 --> 02:22:24,880
we're trying to make this a safe as possible.

1621
02:22:25,300 --> 02:22:26,340
And the deflection is possible.

1622
02:22:26,440 --> 02:22:27,640
It's supposed to be 25 miles an hour.

1623
02:22:27,640 --> 02:22:31,880
but we've just shown Captain Watson that not everybody's falling in the law.

1624
02:22:32,760 --> 02:22:37,360
And so when that's the case, we have to make sure that an accident, not on purpose, an accident,

1625
02:22:37,400 --> 02:22:41,080
doesn't happen to have a fatality which we've seen already happen.

1626
02:22:42,080 --> 02:22:44,440
So I know we want pretty and aesthetic.

1627
02:22:45,240 --> 02:22:48,720
I don't know if there's anything aesthetically pleasing that we can add to this to make it pretty.

1628
02:22:48,860 --> 02:22:53,560
And I will say a bike can fall over that, but a car will deflect off that.

1629
02:22:53,560 --> 02:22:56,980
So I will say that if we're going to be on our bikes,

1630
02:22:57,060 --> 02:22:58,220
we're going to be doing this situation.

1631
02:23:00,140 --> 02:23:02,300
I think it's apparent if you're going to be on your bike,

1632
02:23:02,320 --> 02:23:03,300
you need to keep your head about you.

1633
02:23:03,380 --> 02:23:05,960
You should probably not have your earphones in.

1634
02:23:06,020 --> 02:23:08,960
You should probably be completely aware of what's going on around you,

1635
02:23:08,980 --> 02:23:10,160
especially in the city right now.

1636
02:23:10,520 --> 02:23:12,620
That's just where we are, which was different.

1637
02:23:13,200 --> 02:23:13,780
It was different.

1638
02:23:14,020 --> 02:23:16,560
It's not anymore, and there's more people coming in.

1639
02:23:17,960 --> 02:23:20,740
So we can't do it for everything for all the time.

1640
02:23:20,860 --> 02:23:23,300
And if you want all the time, we're going to be stuck

1641
02:23:23,300 --> 02:23:27,120
home doing nothing like we were in COVID. That's basically where we're going to end up. So,

1642
02:23:27,400 --> 02:23:32,660
from a sheer safety perspective, and that's what Dan is providing here, I can't say enough for

1643
02:23:32,660 --> 02:23:39,180
what he's bringing back from a safety perspective. And so that for me is, I would go with the recommendation

1644
02:23:40,220 --> 02:23:44,380
because that's what we've been sitting here talking about for the last, you know, for the entire time,

1645
02:23:44,420 --> 02:23:48,760
you know, since Emory. We're talking about safety, let's talk, let's talk, let's talk Turkey,

1646
02:23:48,860 --> 02:23:52,680
you know, let's talk the real stuff. And that's what we're here for. If it wants to look pretty,

1647
02:23:52,680 --> 02:23:56,640
I think there's enough artists here in interviews to do something about making it look pretty.

1648
02:23:57,000 --> 02:24:01,320
We've done it with the card of Cooke, go out there with some crayons and go put some crayons

1649
02:24:01,320 --> 02:24:01,720
to work.

1650
02:24:02,200 --> 02:24:02,840
Whatever you want.

1651
02:24:03,060 --> 02:24:04,700
I mean, crazy crayons come on out.

1652
02:24:06,560 --> 02:24:12,580
So the understanding here is, I appreciate what you've done here.

1653
02:24:12,620 --> 02:24:16,800
I think that you brought back something that is appropriate and the reason again that that

1654
02:24:16,800 --> 02:24:22,500
real is there is to protect you from a stopping, in spot, and dying period.

1655
02:24:22,960 --> 02:24:27,640
You put a ballad on the edge, what Dan is trying to tell you is you hit that, you're dead.

1656
02:24:28,200 --> 02:24:31,640
A bike hitting, you bite going through that, you need to tense up.

1657
02:24:31,880 --> 02:24:35,340
If you've ever done extreme sports or anything like that, whenever you're in a spot, you

1658
02:24:35,340 --> 02:24:39,020
need to have your wits about you if you're going to be riding on the road with cars, period.

1659
02:24:39,720 --> 02:24:45,720
That is the responsibility of every rider, not just the bike or the driver of a vehicle.

1660
02:24:45,720 --> 02:24:50,020
So, if you're on a bike on the road, you gotta have your wits about you, you can't be on your

1661
02:24:50,020 --> 02:24:52,920
spandex talking to your friend, do your thing, and then all of a sudden hit something

1662
02:24:52,920 --> 02:24:56,280
and get pinched in and think that everybody else is the blame by yourself.

1663
02:24:57,620 --> 02:24:59,840
So, I think this is a safety measure.

1664
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:04,180
I appreciate the safety matter. Thank you.

1665
02:25:04,600 --> 02:25:06,000
Okay, council member, roll here.

1666
02:25:06,620 --> 02:25:11,300
So I would have to, I don't actually think this is safer. That's why I oppose it.

1667
02:25:12,400 --> 02:25:17,440
And I don't think we've seen anything tonight that's proven that it is ultimately a choice of safety.

1668
02:25:18,260 --> 02:25:22,220
I think the good news is that these are all safe for them once they're right now.

1669
02:25:22,340 --> 02:25:23,980
And they're all better for Mr. Smith's building.

1670
02:25:25,180 --> 02:25:27,880
So we're not going to have a negative outcome here.

1671
02:25:28,640 --> 02:25:29,900
We have more of a difference of opinions,

1672
02:25:30,980 --> 02:25:33,220
but I'm not going to say that what they're putting in there is safer,

1673
02:25:33,220 --> 02:25:34,680
because I don't believe it is.

1674
02:25:36,180 --> 02:25:38,100
So I'm in a second council member.

1675
02:25:38,820 --> 02:25:40,420
Sorry, Deputy Mayor Lyon's motion.

1676
02:25:40,600 --> 02:25:42,120
I'm going to ask if I can make an amendment to it.

1677
02:25:42,240 --> 02:25:44,980
If you consider it, letting staff,

1678
02:25:47,200 --> 02:25:47,920
letting staff,

1679
02:25:50,490 --> 02:25:51,910
compare ballers and rocks.

1680
02:25:52,170 --> 02:25:53,330
I think they're the same concept.

1681
02:25:53,330 --> 02:25:59,410
is that the use of one or the other versus they would both be considered the

1682
02:25:59,410 --> 02:26:03,970
x-object so you can use. So if you'd be willing to consider that just so

1683
02:26:03,970 --> 02:26:07,710
staff can have an option to look at and then we can finalize this. I would

1684
02:26:07,710 --> 02:26:15,270
second your motion if you can put that amendment except that. Okay second

1685
02:26:18,410 --> 02:26:19,450
Anything else?

1686
02:26:20,010 --> 02:26:20,950
It's not all happened.

1687
02:26:22,310 --> 02:26:26,110
So, yeah, and I actually, I love this a great discussion.

1688
02:26:26,630 --> 02:26:29,950
And where I think we're all headed to safer, no matter what it is.

1689
02:26:30,130 --> 02:26:31,270
And that's a good thing.

1690
02:26:31,810 --> 02:26:35,850
I think Council Member Shafer hit on one of the points I kept thinking is that

1691
02:26:35,850 --> 02:26:37,730
Bicycles won't get trapped between these.

1692
02:26:37,890 --> 02:26:43,010
Bicycles go over it and actually permanently save them because they will go over the top

1693
02:26:43,010 --> 02:26:47,850
in all likelihood, if they were sharing a lane, parallel was to go through.

1694
02:26:48,690 --> 02:26:53,290
However, the other thing is I look at, and that is a shallow in there, first of all,

1695
02:26:53,350 --> 02:26:58,010
we already said most of the accidents are at night, and so we're trying to push them back

1696
02:26:58,010 --> 02:27:01,830
into the into the travel lane and keep them there, and I don't think that means they

1697
02:27:01,830 --> 02:27:06,090
creamed to the opposite side, I mean, probably usually what I've seen out traffic is a

1698
02:27:06,090 --> 02:27:08,150
scraper on the lane.

1699
02:27:08,150 --> 02:27:22,430
So, the bicycles either won't be there because it's nighttime typically or they'll be in the bypass lane or they're in a share or where the car by law should be following them and the bicycle has full right to the road.

1700
02:27:23,550 --> 02:27:35,650
So, you know, I'm open to anything that works and ultimately the option that I thought Dan you said maybe we could just let it sit.

1701
02:27:35,650 --> 02:27:39,570
We could come back with a further discussion about

1702
02:27:39,570 --> 02:27:49,150
Bollards versus rocks and the placement of where legally they can go next to a step curve.

1703
02:27:50,290 --> 02:27:55,170
By the way, similar discussion to this occurred with the new composite

1704
02:27:55,170 --> 02:27:57,750
Fencing along Rancho Santa Fe Road.

1705
02:27:58,470 --> 02:28:01,510
And we were told that it had the 18 inches away.

1706
02:28:01,510 --> 02:28:06,610
Well, I walked that a lot and where the gets narrow that suckers right at the edge of the curb.

1707
02:28:07,130 --> 02:28:18,630
So, you know, I just, I think I would go one more friendly amendment, which is hold off on the actual installation of the ballards or rocks

1708
02:28:18,630 --> 02:28:25,910
and come back and bring that decision here, go forward with all the other fixes you're already doing, including the lights

1709
02:28:25,910 --> 02:28:30,210
or at least come back with the cost of the lights as the motion is on the table right now.

1710
02:28:30,210 --> 02:28:38,630
And then we'll get a finalized decision, but I'm open to any one of those three and including waiting.

1711
02:28:40,030 --> 02:28:48,570
But I do think that I don't think that the guardrail is a pinning feature, I think it is a

1712
02:28:48,570 --> 02:28:54,310
reading, it will mess up a car, row bad, and they'll get a lesson from that, and it'll

1713
02:28:54,310 --> 02:29:00,430
scrape up that patina, but it won't stop it dead in its tracks, which is actually something

1714
02:29:00,430 --> 02:29:01,530
we're trying to do.

1715
02:29:01,990 --> 02:29:09,090
And I would recommend not installing all of it, if that's going to be the question, whether

1716
02:29:09,090 --> 02:29:13,010
we do, baller jerk, guard, rail, or nothing at all.

1717
02:29:13,010 --> 02:29:20,610
So I would recommend that we just wait and look at the traffic data and not install the

1718
02:29:20,610 --> 02:29:20,770
knowledge.

1719
02:29:21,070 --> 02:29:24,390
And when you said baller, do you mean baller's or rocks, why don't we decide?

1720
02:29:24,430 --> 02:29:27,410
Any fixed object I would recommend against.

1721
02:29:28,930 --> 02:29:36,530
So I guess I'll offer if the motion maker and seconder will entertain it.

1722
02:29:36,530 --> 02:29:43,950
I'd like to put what the engineer just said in add it to emotion is friendly amendment to so basically

1723
02:29:43,950 --> 02:29:50,130
wait on the ballards until we get the cost of the lights until we see out operates and then come back to

1724
02:29:50,130 --> 02:29:54,430
and get the trade-off of rocks versus the ballards and decide from there.

1725
02:29:54,710 --> 02:29:56,590
Could I just repeat the motion that I have?

1726
02:29:57,170 --> 02:29:59,830
Well, I could, could I just recommend?

1727
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:05,880
But that's actually an alternate motion that you made, because it would...

1728
02:30:05,880 --> 02:30:12,200
Okay. Well, after all the amendments, and going back and forth, what I heard was directing

1729
02:30:12,200 --> 02:30:18,200
staff to compare the use of the previously approved ballards with Woodford-Saud sleeves,

1730
02:30:18,780 --> 02:30:25,220
versus the use of rocks, explore the cost of the in-road lighting, and then hold off

1731
02:30:25,220 --> 02:30:29,400
installation until you return to Council with the results.

1732
02:30:31,040 --> 02:30:33,440
Well, of course that would be the case, but it would be the only.

1733
02:30:33,980 --> 02:30:38,100
But what I'm hearing our engineers say is that you would not support

1734
02:30:38,100 --> 02:30:41,680
Bollards, so you would just not allow that to move forward.

1735
02:30:43,500 --> 02:30:47,300
I will take direction from Seek Council, absolutely.

1736
02:30:47,500 --> 02:30:53,640
But I recommend against installing Bollards at the edge of payment at the face of a curb

1737
02:30:53,640 --> 02:30:58,480
where we have vehicles that are driving faster than about 10 miles an hour.

1738
02:31:03,440 --> 02:31:05,700
So, so I can make it as an alternate motion.

1739
02:31:06,840 --> 02:31:13,200
It's everything that the city clerk just, a substitute motion, sorry, that the clerk just said,

1740
02:31:14,360 --> 02:31:18,040
anybody interested in seconding? Second. Okay. So we have a...

1741
02:31:18,040 --> 02:31:24,560
And so your new motion is to delay until we get more information on how the intersection is functioning.

1742
02:31:24,560 --> 02:31:32,320
Yes, and we get the information on the costs of the lights and I think maybe the city manager would like to hop in

1743
02:31:32,320 --> 02:31:37,020
I just want to make sure again because I know that we took this with the cost of the ballards back in June

1744
02:31:37,020 --> 02:31:43,820
So it sounds like Council is very supportive of in-ground lights because it does help with safety and crossing

1745
02:31:44,280 --> 02:31:50,960
So just to thought if we already have budget allocation and authority we wouldn't have to come back for the lights to get so we'd have to come back

1746
02:31:50,960 --> 02:31:56,880
But so if there's a way that depending on whatever motion happens, if we do want to

1747
02:31:56,880 --> 02:32:00,220
delay or something, what I'd like to try to do is it sounds like we have authority because

1748
02:32:00,220 --> 02:32:05,540
we already had money for the ballerge, as long as the in-ground lighting doesn't go past

1749
02:32:05,540 --> 02:32:10,180
the budget capacity that you already did, we could at least do that, get that going, and

1750
02:32:10,180 --> 02:32:11,140
then we could bring it back.

1751
02:32:11,140 --> 02:32:13,640
So I just didn't want to have to bring two items back to Council.

1752
02:32:14,280 --> 02:32:20,140
I would say just bring it back at the same time because we don't know the cost of the

1753
02:32:20,140 --> 02:32:26,320
And if I knew if I had an idea that they were guaranteed under 50,000 to install in-ground

1754
02:32:26,320 --> 02:32:33,500
lights with conduit and whatnot, it's going to probably be closer to about that $50,000

1755
02:32:33,500 --> 02:32:33,880
range.

1756
02:32:34,760 --> 02:32:41,240
And I mean, my preference, I think, just bring it back and we'll just finish this item

1757
02:32:41,240 --> 02:32:43,940
up with the whole thing.

1758
02:32:44,140 --> 02:32:47,260
So we don't have you doing what you're doing today because you're actually implementing something

1759
02:32:47,260 --> 02:32:54,140
Now, and do yet another interim, if the cost is less than 50,000, and then do another, I'd rather

1760
02:32:54,140 --> 02:32:54,820
just bring a bit.

1761
02:32:54,880 --> 02:32:55,660
That's my preference.

1762
02:32:55,700 --> 02:32:56,460
That's my motion.

1763
02:32:57,140 --> 02:32:58,160
Can I just ask a quick question?

1764
02:32:58,520 --> 02:32:58,660
Sure.

1765
02:32:59,220 --> 02:33:04,900
Do we have to have both, if we do a guard rills, do you have to have the northbound guard rills

1766
02:33:04,900 --> 02:33:07,140
well or just the southbound?

1767
02:33:09,220 --> 02:33:11,140
So, no, we don't have to.

1768
02:33:11,840 --> 02:33:17,340
So, the majority of the collision data is going that way.

1769
02:33:17,700 --> 02:33:18,620
North East Quarter.

1770
02:33:19,500 --> 02:33:20,780
So, that's the intent.

1771
02:33:21,600 --> 02:33:25,220
You know, we are also trying to protect life and property

1772
02:33:25,220 --> 02:33:28,680
on the southwest corner for, for, for, locating a glass.

1773
02:33:29,480 --> 02:33:33,560
So, there is, you know, there are, there are two important locations,

1774
02:33:34,280 --> 02:33:38,140
but, but again, no, we don't technically have to.

1775
02:33:38,160 --> 02:33:39,260
Council member San Antonio.

1776
02:33:39,260 --> 02:33:43,260
but they're a benefit that's on both of them as well.

1777
02:33:46,140 --> 02:33:50,920
And this is a great chart showing how many of the Northbound are

1778
02:33:50,920 --> 02:33:57,440
creating over the middle of the actual cross the circle.

1779
02:33:57,760 --> 02:34:00,620
And that's where the signage that I was recommending,

1780
02:34:00,840 --> 02:34:05,420
and I think as part of this, is that, I mean, it's kind of your standard approach now.

1781
02:34:05,420 --> 02:34:16,700
I think that will help immensely to reduce significantly the night time people that completely miss and they're probably going too fast and they're probably inebriated

1782
02:34:18,140 --> 02:34:35,400
But if we can get them to realize there's something in front of me, and I have to go around and we've done that at others and if we I think we could reduce the total number of accidents here and

1783
02:34:35,400 --> 02:34:37,300
I got to step in and disagree.

1784
02:34:38,080 --> 02:34:41,980
Somebody who's had one beer too many is not worried about a sign and they're not going to

1785
02:34:41,980 --> 02:34:42,560
change their behavior.

1786
02:34:42,820 --> 02:34:47,080
They're getting an accident because they're in U.B., and the data shows it beyond clearly.

1787
02:34:47,680 --> 02:34:52,560
Yeah, and that's where the data would tell also whether we saw the accident rate now drop

1788
02:34:52,560 --> 02:34:55,000
significantly after putting the sign in there.

1789
02:34:55,140 --> 02:34:58,480
One's the last time you heard, oh, thank goodness the sign was there.

1790
02:34:58,580 --> 02:34:59,600
Cut down the DUI.

1791
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:07,880
Just don't hear that, they're not looking for signs. I think maybe you're, so it's actually an impediment. Think of it as something in the circle.

1792
02:35:08,460 --> 02:35:16,660
And I'm speaking specifically about the signs we use at, uh, not, not, not IGN, it's at, uh,

1793
02:35:17,060 --> 02:35:24,000
Hermes, right, where, where each entry. And, and so, as you're driving up to it in the dark, you see a white,

1794
02:35:24,000 --> 02:35:29,580
one way sign and Chevron's below it, and you know you have to

1795
02:35:29,580 --> 02:35:32,960
veer right. And my thought is what's happening here, what's

1796
02:35:32,960 --> 02:35:35,320
happening in the northbound, with slightly it, with the

1797
02:35:35,320 --> 02:35:38,700
liberated drivers, apparently, is that they don't even realize

1798
02:35:38,700 --> 02:35:41,840
they're coming into a circle. And they're just looking far beyond

1799
02:35:41,840 --> 02:35:46,060
but a big white reflective sign would make them realize they have

1800
02:35:47,460 --> 02:35:52,000
to, right, Mr. Mayor, I agree that in conjunction with other

1801
02:35:52,000 --> 02:35:57,660
measures that we are incorporating as part of these improvements happening in the next couple

1802
02:35:57,660 --> 02:35:58,100
weeks.

1803
02:35:58,640 --> 02:36:03,860
I think it will definitely provide that advanced warning.

1804
02:36:04,300 --> 02:36:09,860
Now, if somebody is so inebriated that they can't see anything in the road, which some

1805
02:36:09,860 --> 02:36:14,760
of these drivers may be, I mean, that no signs are going to stop that, but the hope and

1806
02:36:14,760 --> 02:36:21,820
intent is an individual that may happen upon this roundabout who's not quite ready for

1807
02:36:21,820 --> 02:36:27,400
around about. These features will help identify early on that the roundabout is coming

1808
02:36:27,400 --> 02:36:33,540
and they will be able to hopefully slow and divert in time to navigate it appropriately.

1809
02:36:35,320 --> 02:36:35,660
We can,

1810
02:36:38,280 --> 02:36:42,500
I'm sorry, just gets distracting to have talking.

1811
02:36:44,160 --> 02:36:49,120
So, I don't have anybody else speaking. We have a substitute motion in a second.

1812
02:36:50,240 --> 02:36:52,320
Does everybody familiar?

1813
02:36:52,780 --> 02:36:57,580
I just find ironic that we put in this beautiful vacation, and then we have to put up all these things that I'm beautiful.

1814
02:36:58,600 --> 02:36:58,660
Right?

1815
02:36:59,200 --> 02:37:03,940
It should be inherent, and it should be intuitive if it's done right, but it's just ironic.

1816
02:37:04,380 --> 02:37:05,920
But I'm ready to go.

1817
02:37:08,120 --> 02:37:13,020
And for ready to vote on first the substitute motion, if that fails, we'll go back to the original.

1818
02:37:15,370 --> 02:37:15,630
Okay.

1819
02:37:15,630 --> 02:37:22,810
So this is there. This one is the I made it looks seconded and that's to compare the use of the originally approved

1820
02:37:22,810 --> 02:37:25,630
ballers with wood facade sleeve versus the use of rocks

1821
02:37:26,510 --> 02:37:30,430
and to direct staff to explore the cost of in-road lighting was the Chevron's

1822
02:37:31,370 --> 02:37:37,610
included in your motion or no. I would include the Chevron signs, but I think that's something you could do

1823
02:37:37,610 --> 02:37:41,810
administratively today. We can do that. That's our completeness and

1824
02:37:42,730 --> 02:37:48,730
Openness, I will include that in the motion if, yeah, okay. So yes, it is in the motion.

1825
02:37:49,470 --> 02:37:55,630
So with then it's to explore cost of interlining and use of Chevron on signs and return to council with results.

1826
02:37:56,010 --> 02:37:59,810
Yeah. So I thought we were already installing the signs and that was not word.

1827
02:37:59,990 --> 02:38:05,510
The signs are already going in. Other signs. This is in the circle sign only that I'm dying several.

1828
02:38:06,750 --> 02:38:11,790
Okay. Next time we have this discussion, can we bring in some videos of the crashes that are all mine?

1829
02:38:11,790 --> 02:38:15,990
So we can see what actually happens and about this discussion clearly.

1830
02:38:17,330 --> 02:38:18,890
I'm just going to leave right there, but thank you.

1831
02:38:19,870 --> 02:38:27,050
If I could jump in, Kathy, I was a little confused about what you thought versus motion was.

1832
02:38:27,530 --> 02:38:28,610
Could you read that again, please?

1833
02:38:29,090 --> 02:38:34,690
So it was to direct staff to compare the use of the originally approved ballers with Woodford-Sod sleeves,

1834
02:38:35,150 --> 02:38:39,730
versus the use of rocks, direct staff to explore the cost of enrolled lighting,

1835
02:38:39,730 --> 02:38:44,370
And use of incircle, Chevron, signs, and return to council with the results.

1836
02:38:49,890 --> 02:38:50,210
Yeah.

1837
02:38:51,230 --> 02:38:52,590
That was different than I thought.

1838
02:38:53,110 --> 02:38:55,410
That may not have needed to be a substitute motion.

1839
02:38:56,350 --> 02:38:56,890
That's me.

1840
02:38:57,270 --> 02:38:57,490
That's me.

1841
02:38:57,610 --> 02:38:58,830
I think it's the same as one.

1842
02:38:58,830 --> 02:38:59,290
I'm sorry.

1843
02:38:59,430 --> 02:38:59,910
I'm sorry.

1844
02:39:01,310 --> 02:39:01,490
Okay.

1845
02:39:13,310 --> 02:39:14,310
Council member over here.

1846
02:39:15,130 --> 02:39:15,370
Oh, is

1847
02:39:18,600 --> 02:39:19,420
it working?

1848
02:39:19,940 --> 02:39:20,440
Oh, there you go.

1849
02:39:20,660 --> 02:39:21,800
Motion, carrot, unanimously.

1850
02:39:22,240 --> 02:39:22,560
Okay.

1851
02:39:23,220 --> 02:39:25,200
So with that, we don't need to go back to the other.

1852
02:39:25,740 --> 02:39:34,480
It is 839, let's take a, I'm going to say 10 minute, but I know it's going to be 15 minute break.

1853
02:39:34,940 --> 02:39:35,300
Is that okay?

1854
02:39:39,180 --> 02:39:45,020
Now it's been two and a half hours, so I could use a biological break, so I'm going to, yeah.

1855
02:39:46,040 --> 02:39:50,180
So we'll be back at in 15 minutes, watch the timer.

1856
02:39:50,660 --> 02:39:51,380
No less.

1857
02:39:51,580 --> 02:39:51,960
No more.

1858
02:39:52,000 --> 02:39:53,560
We can come back to order.

1859
02:39:58,260 --> 02:39:58,840
Okay, ready?

1860
02:40:02,330 --> 02:40:05,130
We need your presence up here.

1861
02:40:07,910 --> 02:40:08,590
Captain Watts,

1862
02:40:11,900 --> 02:40:16,080
just going to pick on people out, not in the audience there.

1863
02:40:16,500 --> 02:40:24,540
Okay, if we can move on to item 8e, but before we go forward, I think we're going to change order of the action items.

1864
02:40:25,120 --> 02:40:32,760
We have youth commission here, staying their troopers, they're willing to stay, but we're going to move them up to right before 10a.

1865
02:40:32,760 --> 02:40:41,160
And so the two action items for the youth commission because they do plan to testify and we want to get them home so they can get to school tomorrow.

1866
02:40:42,080 --> 02:40:45,280
The rest you don't have that privilege, you know, you have to stay.

1867
02:40:46,340 --> 02:40:53,960
So with that, we'll move on to item eight E, which is the La Costa Pet Path Funding.

1868
02:40:54,820 --> 02:40:57,600
And I think Council Member O'Hara, would you...

1869
02:40:57,600 --> 02:40:59,480
We have three publics.

1870
02:40:59,480 --> 02:40:59,980
We have three publics.

1871
02:41:00,320 --> 02:41:01,760
Okay, well public pulled it.

1872
02:41:01,760 --> 02:41:03,020
I would like to ask you.

1873
02:41:03,380 --> 02:41:03,640
Okay.

1874
02:41:04,740 --> 02:41:10,820
So with that, can we have a abbreviated staff report?

1875
02:41:17,170 --> 02:41:17,770
Sure.

1876
02:41:18,030 --> 02:41:19,250
Our greeting council, Matt Woodell,

1877
02:41:19,410 --> 02:41:21,430
skied principal engineer for the CIP section

1878
02:41:21,430 --> 02:41:23,470
engineering department with me as Carlos

1879
02:41:23,470 --> 02:41:25,710
Beldenegro, and then the city engineer Dan Nutter.

1880
02:41:26,690 --> 02:41:29,970
Tonight, this item is to approve funding for the

1881
02:41:29,970 --> 02:41:31,470
LaCosta PEDPATH project.

1882
02:41:31,490 --> 02:41:34,830
Path project goes on the cost of avenue from Volcan Avenue

1883
02:41:34,830 --> 02:41:38,810
roughly to interstate five, and we just heard recently that San

1884
02:41:38,810 --> 02:41:41,530
Dag is preparing to give the city a grant, which we applied

1885
02:41:41,530 --> 02:41:47,690
for back in March, and this action right now, sorry about that.

1886
02:41:47,930 --> 02:41:48,470
Here's the picture.

1887
02:41:48,930 --> 02:41:52,410
This action right now will move money into the project so we can

1888
02:41:52,410 --> 02:41:54,070
have the grant local match there.

1889
02:41:54,190 --> 02:41:56,610
We can have the design, finish up the design, and we can be

1890
02:41:56,610 --> 02:41:58,930
ready to build this thing with the grant funding.

1891
02:42:03,260 --> 02:42:10,360
Perfect. I guess it's me. I pulled this. Absolute motion to approve. I just wanted to point

1892
02:42:10,360 --> 02:42:15,580
this up to the public. Get ideas to scope with this project. What we're doing and how big

1893
02:42:15,580 --> 02:42:19,580
a deal this grant is. I'm really excited to see it move forward and I want to give it

1894
02:42:19,580 --> 02:42:24,840
out of the way to the engineering department for getting this grant. This is massive. I don't

1895
02:42:24,840 --> 02:42:28,360
want to miss the opportunity as the rest of the council to tell you guys how much we appreciate

1896
02:42:28,360 --> 02:42:32,440
you're getting this this grant you can care for us. So thank you. That's my motion.

1897
02:42:32,560 --> 02:42:37,160
My motion approved. Okay. I will second that. All right. On this. Unless,

1898
02:42:37,160 --> 02:42:41,620
shave forward like to. I had a couple of comments but I'll put them after. I'll give

1899
02:42:41,620 --> 02:42:49,260
them after public. I think I was. I think I was.

1900
02:42:49,260 --> 02:42:53,140
Three of you so. Doesn't matter. Okay. So you can have a third too.

1901
02:42:53,980 --> 02:42:56,240
Okay. You can make a Marco. I'm okay with that.

1902
02:42:56,960 --> 02:42:57,920
So public?

1903
02:42:58,500 --> 02:42:58,540
Yes.

1904
02:42:58,720 --> 02:42:59,580
We have three speakers.

1905
02:42:59,960 --> 02:43:00,340
Exactly.

1906
02:43:01,060 --> 02:43:01,560
Elena Thompson.

1907
02:43:02,060 --> 02:43:02,460
Scott Campbell.

1908
02:43:03,120 --> 02:43:05,080
And then Molly Hintley and Ritter Stream support.

1909
02:43:05,380 --> 02:43:06,380
But does not wish to speak.

1910
02:43:07,980 --> 02:43:08,200
Okay.

1911
02:43:08,600 --> 02:43:09,640
So then it is Elena.

1912
02:43:09,880 --> 02:43:10,760
And then Scott Campbell.

1913
02:43:11,320 --> 02:43:11,360
Okay.

1914
02:43:11,420 --> 02:43:12,020
Great motion.

1915
02:43:12,220 --> 02:43:13,200
Thank you so much.

1916
02:43:13,320 --> 02:43:16,560
I live in Northwest Lucadia for almost 40 years.

1917
02:43:17,700 --> 02:43:20,780
And La Costa Avenue where you've just approved the D.G.

1918
02:43:20,780 --> 02:43:34,420
PEDPATH is such an important project for our community, largely because we're the only east-west roadway to the beach and to the highway 101 that does not have a sidewalk.

1919
02:43:35,100 --> 02:43:45,260
No sidewalk and no PEDPATH. So what we've got is a painted stripe where people, like myself, we have to walk to the beach in the roadway.

1920
02:43:45,260 --> 02:43:50,580
So check that out on your next drive and it's very dangerous people are pushing strollers with babies

1921
02:43:50,580 --> 02:43:56,880
So it's really a horrible situation. So the sooner we can get this in stuff

1922
02:43:58,140 --> 02:44:05,700
The better without obstacles and I want to just point out to the the other reason it's so important is when the city

1923
02:44:05,700 --> 02:44:10,520
Well, the transit group double track the rail corridor

1924
02:44:10,520 --> 02:44:16,160
or that impeded our ability to walk to the beach as well, or out to downtown, because we

1925
02:44:16,160 --> 02:44:18,300
have to now climb over two wire fences.

1926
02:44:19,540 --> 02:44:24,960
So basically our property values have been shot because of this, we haven't been able to

1927
02:44:24,960 --> 02:44:29,080
walk and we can't meet the greenhouse climate goals of the city.

1928
02:44:29,520 --> 02:44:31,940
So thank you for voting in favor of the pet path.

1929
02:44:32,000 --> 02:44:32,500
Good move.

1930
02:44:34,600 --> 02:44:35,120
Okay.

1931
02:44:35,600 --> 02:44:39,520
And I have, oh sorry, it's just two.

1932
02:44:41,630 --> 02:44:47,250
Okay. I'm going to echo the previous speakers comments. I've lived up the street 20

1933
02:44:47,250 --> 02:44:53,370
for 20 years. I can walk on this. I will be walking on this. I would like to thank

1934
02:44:53,370 --> 02:44:56,910
the Council for selecting this project in the first place over some of the other competing

1935
02:44:56,910 --> 02:44:59,950
ones in this one-the-ground process. It's amazing.

1936
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:11,980
I think it's an amazing, nobody thought we could do it, if we did. And I don't know if it's really brought this up, but if you'd go from the freeway, and on those paths, and then you turn left on Volcano, go all the way to the Katie Bober.

1937
02:45:11,980 --> 02:45:21,880
That's almost three miles of contiguous walking trail. That's a huge benefit for the city. That's a huge improvement. And we're seeing, thank you, council.

1938
02:45:25,630 --> 02:45:26,430
That's it, right?

1939
02:45:27,770 --> 02:45:32,690
A couple of comments, and I think I walked this entire path down one side up the other

1940
02:45:32,690 --> 02:45:37,670
with former mayor, Cransk, when he was mayor, and ran into Scott Campbell while we were

1941
02:45:37,670 --> 02:45:39,610
doing it and had a long discussion out there.

1942
02:45:39,610 --> 02:45:41,390
This is what a year and a half ago, two years.

1943
02:45:43,050 --> 02:45:46,030
But it's in the report, but I'm not sure it's real clear.

1944
02:45:46,030 --> 02:45:53,910
at the sand egg regional planning planning group this was considered needed to be approved

1945
02:45:53,910 --> 02:45:59,330
there and then it'll it'll go for approval at the at the board of directors and there was

1946
02:45:59,330 --> 02:46:06,890
actually an air in the calculations so it did it got pulled and luckily the city manager

1947
02:46:06,890 --> 02:46:13,190
checked and this is still approved right technically yes Dan we went ahead and had engineering

1948
02:46:13,190 --> 02:46:16,950
staff check and got confirmation that this would be nothing forward.

1949
02:46:17,130 --> 02:46:20,150
That's right. But it still hasn't gone through the full approval. So it's going up through

1950
02:46:20,150 --> 02:46:26,110
the stack. So we approved it. We're now approving matching for it. But Sand Egg needs

1951
02:46:26,110 --> 02:46:31,550
to finish the approval. But I wanted to build on what Scott Campbell talked about. This

1952
02:46:31,550 --> 02:46:39,310
got a score of 78.2. And it's a total score typing. The highest score was 92. The lowest

1953
02:46:39,310 --> 02:46:48,190
score was 69. There were winning, partially, I fully funded, winning scores at 75. So we were

1954
02:46:48,190 --> 02:46:57,650
three points above it. The trail 82 was only one point behind this one. So both projects

1955
02:46:57,650 --> 02:47:03,890
scored well. One of the errors that I found in there will add to the trail 82 score. I don't

1956
02:47:03,890 --> 02:47:08,690
know that if that'll push it over threshold, we'll see where it goes in coming up. But it's interesting

1957
02:47:08,690 --> 02:47:14,430
how viable this one was that it got selected and it was well above the threshold of being

1958
02:47:14,430 --> 02:47:20,770
funded fully funded and who knows maybe you know maybe there's good news in the future

1959
02:47:20,770 --> 02:47:27,350
for trail it trail 82 if not it tells me we just keep putting in for these kind of things so

1960
02:47:27,350 --> 02:47:28,550
with that we'll call the question

1961
02:47:39,590 --> 02:47:44,550
and who pulled a tof okay do

1962
02:47:47,750 --> 02:47:48,870
you need a staff report

1963
02:47:50,110 --> 02:47:50,630
No.

1964
02:47:52,710 --> 02:47:56,530
Just for the public, this is a memory of understanding between the city events and need

1965
02:47:56,530 --> 02:48:00,990
a San Luis environment day for a community special event that San Luis community park.

1966
02:48:02,310 --> 02:48:07,330
I would like to send this back to staff for a more thorough report.

1967
02:48:08,910 --> 02:48:15,930
Items I see on here for a free event involve fundraising, which I don't see who will be recipient

1968
02:48:15,930 --> 02:48:23,610
of fundraising explained, I don't see what money is expected to be utilized in some of

1969
02:48:23,610 --> 02:48:24,550
the fees that we're paying.

1970
02:48:24,770 --> 02:48:27,790
I assume even though we're working with a nonprofit, somebody's making that money.

1971
02:48:29,690 --> 02:48:32,910
And to be honest, I'm not sure why we can't do this ourselves.

1972
02:48:36,030 --> 02:48:40,370
It's a similar to the event pass, had a park, played in an expo.

1973
02:48:40,370 --> 02:48:47,910
One person of staff, Max Usage, running spaces, entertainments,

1974
02:48:51,510 --> 02:48:57,990
and then committing to motion and activate volunteers who are all very motivated.

1975
02:48:58,910 --> 02:49:05,990
So I'd like to see the money, so I'm asking Council to send this back for a better explanation

1976
02:49:05,990 --> 02:49:11,750
of where the money goes in this, so there are number of items on here that will be collecting

1977
02:49:11,750 --> 02:49:12,530
money.

1978
02:49:15,170 --> 02:49:23,690
So where is that going, because it's titled as a free event, and then why do we need a partner

1979
02:49:23,690 --> 02:49:26,550
that we, and why can't we do this ourselves?

1980
02:49:26,550 --> 02:49:32,730
Eco Fest started as a city event as I understand a community event and we have a very

1981
02:49:34,330 --> 02:49:41,510
Great staff as far as climate action environment. We have a more than active community that would love

1982
02:49:42,070 --> 02:49:43,510
Support event like this

1983
02:49:44,750 --> 02:49:50,950
So I'd like to at this time. I'm not saying I want to vote to do it or not do it. That's not what I'm saying. I'd like a more robust

1984
02:49:52,130 --> 02:49:52,610
explained

1985
02:49:53,950 --> 02:49:57,910
explanation of the monies and why we need MLU with, with,

1986
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:07,140
And see his environment day, e-day. And if we are getting, if we are feeling we need a partnership, who else

1987
02:50:07,140 --> 02:50:13,380
would we look at for this partnership? I don't think there's a complete report. And so I'd like to complete report.

1988
02:50:14,460 --> 02:50:21,960
And I'll hop in next. I would like, I would put it off too. I have one more thing to add if you'll entertain it.

1989
02:50:21,960 --> 02:50:29,460
our all make a motion to this effect. We have two events very similar both held at the park.

1990
02:50:30,020 --> 02:50:35,380
The other one is, and I'm trying to remember the name, but we have vendors there, and when

1991
02:50:35,380 --> 02:50:42,640
I go there, it's staffed by all of our staff for both events, and I'd like to see them combined,

1992
02:50:43,120 --> 02:50:49,820
where you get the bigger crowd for the two, and have all the vendors there for the one

1993
02:50:49,820 --> 02:50:56,660
mind, it'd be a cost savings, it's less impact to the use of the park, and so I would make

1994
02:50:56,660 --> 02:51:03,600
a motion to push this off, have staff go investigate the costs and the funding where it's

1995
02:51:03,600 --> 02:51:09,380
going get a fuller report, but number two also look at combining those two events at a minimum,

1996
02:51:09,700 --> 02:51:13,620
and if I could do it, and I'll just throw it out there tonight. I'd love to see, like,

1997
02:51:13,760 --> 02:51:18,840
Cloviya moved into that same realm, because they're all about environment and in so many places,

1998
02:51:18,840 --> 02:51:26,720
and maybe we hold it down in 101 with Cyclobia, I don't know, but my motion, I'll start my

1999
02:51:26,720 --> 02:51:32,040
motion just with the two and leave it for now. But I'm trying to make things more efficient

2000
02:51:32,040 --> 02:51:41,060
and like-minded, like-themed events trying to combine them. So you'll second the motion?

2001
02:51:41,060 --> 02:51:42,120
Yeah, perfect.

2002
02:51:43,880 --> 02:51:44,920
Anyone else?

2003
02:51:45,540 --> 02:51:46,060
Yes.

2004
02:51:46,780 --> 02:51:47,000
Okay.

2005
02:51:47,280 --> 02:51:47,920
Deputy Mayor lines.

2006
02:51:48,340 --> 02:51:50,040
So I'd like to hear from staff.

2007
02:51:50,240 --> 02:51:53,640
Is there some confusion here between eco-fest and eco-day?

2008
02:51:54,860 --> 02:52:02,800
Or, I mean, I think the mayor is referring to the sustainable solutions fair.

2009
02:52:02,840 --> 02:52:03,120
Yes.

2010
02:52:04,660 --> 02:52:05,280
I think so.

2011
02:52:05,460 --> 02:52:06,160
I forget the name.

2012
02:52:06,700 --> 02:52:06,740
Yeah.

2013
02:52:06,740 --> 02:52:14,240
Yeah, that is the other sustainability related fair that's that's put on and that one's more oriented towards specifically

2014
02:52:14,880 --> 02:52:16,700
Zero-waste and supports the

2015
02:52:17,400 --> 02:52:24,060
recycling and organic diversion and and education about that and that for that we contract with I love a

2016
02:52:24,060 --> 02:52:30,360
Sink a clean San Diego to support the implementation of that event. Yeah, and my question and my action my

2017
02:52:30,360 --> 02:52:35,860
motion is can we find a way to combine the events so that we don't have to pull the

2018
02:52:35,860 --> 02:52:41,220
staff, so many staff members out there, and have them, because they really are complementary

2019
02:52:41,880 --> 02:52:47,720
like-minded events, and it was actually a little lighter attended than what I had hoped

2020
02:52:47,720 --> 02:52:55,140
out there at the park, and I think it just less impact to the park, less impact to, but we

2021
02:52:55,140 --> 02:52:59,900
get hopefully complementary groups coming together, and you get a bigger overall group for

2022
02:52:59,900 --> 02:53:02,100
both events, but all at one event.

2023
02:53:02,100 --> 02:53:12,580
So, I think what I'm looking for is basically table this for tonight and then come back with

2024
02:53:12,580 --> 02:53:19,460
investigating that option and responding to the comments from Council Member O'Hara.

2025
02:53:21,160 --> 02:53:26,080
I think there's a lot, I think I still have the floor, but I think there's a lot of

2026
02:53:26,920 --> 02:53:29,580
details to what's being asked here.

2027
02:53:30,960 --> 02:53:33,620
So those two separate events have two separate objectives.

2028
02:53:34,820 --> 02:53:38,060
And it's fair to say, yeah, let's look at that.

2029
02:53:38,320 --> 02:53:42,180
But I don't know that we know the answer that they could

2030
02:53:42,180 --> 02:53:45,320
or should be combined until we look at what

2031
02:53:45,320 --> 02:53:46,940
the objectives of each of them are.

2032
02:53:47,300 --> 02:53:51,280
I know that the Eco Fest relies on

2033
02:53:51,280 --> 02:53:53,600
it always has been driven by the public

2034
02:53:53,600 --> 02:54:13,620
by the nonprofit associated with it, and it's broader and bigger, and it's performance, and it's music, and I can't speak entirely for it, but from what I know about it is a broader objective and vision than the sustainability fair.

2035
02:54:14,040 --> 02:54:22,340
But if those two fit together nicely, there's probably an opportunity there, I just wouldn't want to damage the integrity of either of those events.

2036
02:54:22,340 --> 02:54:27,060
It could be just that more information is needed in order to make that decision.

2037
02:54:27,460 --> 02:54:29,480
So I hope you find that to be a fair comment.

2038
02:54:29,820 --> 02:54:29,960
Yeah.

2039
02:54:30,100 --> 02:54:32,080
And I think that fits within what we're asking.

2040
02:54:33,240 --> 02:54:34,220
So what I'm asking.

2041
02:54:35,020 --> 02:54:35,200
Yeah.

2042
02:54:35,200 --> 02:54:38,100
I mean, this did start off as a city event.

2043
02:54:39,220 --> 02:54:39,740
From what I know about.

2044
02:54:39,740 --> 02:54:41,140
That's actually interactive.

2045
02:54:41,300 --> 02:54:42,000
I could clarify.

2046
02:54:42,460 --> 02:54:47,500
It's always been a run by the nonprofit with city sponsorship.

2047
02:54:48,120 --> 02:54:48,360
Okay.

2048
02:54:48,420 --> 02:54:49,460
It was Bob Nanagas.

2049
02:54:49,660 --> 02:54:50,440
Oh, right.

2050
02:54:50,920 --> 02:54:57,420
So I guess and I still come back to I I'd like to see the numbers on the on the dollars and cents and where they're all going and

2051
02:54:58,560 --> 02:54:59,820
What's happening with that

2052
02:55:00,590 --> 02:55:06,110
Just because I don't want to find out after the fact that it wasn't something we would have voted on.

2053
02:55:07,310 --> 02:55:10,790
And I, and I do go back to, I think the city should be able to do an event like this by itself.

2054
02:55:11,130 --> 02:55:21,210
I don't, I don't, I don't, this is, this is a, in the event space, this is a very simple event to put on as far as these standards of what we're doing in the permitting of it.

2055
02:55:22,390 --> 02:55:30,050
So I think we should explore doing it. I know that we are, are one of ones in our chambers you need to be able to put on events of this scope without partnering with,

2056
02:55:30,050 --> 02:55:34,690
larger companies. And so, I'm not sure why the city needs to partner with a nonprofit.

2057
02:55:35,050 --> 02:55:40,470
We have more resources than all four of our chambers and one-on-ones. So, I'd like to

2058
02:55:40,470 --> 02:55:41,990
explore that too.

2059
02:55:42,770 --> 02:55:45,050
So, a Deputy Mayor Lines.

2060
02:55:46,650 --> 02:55:51,350
I just want to weigh in on, I know you have a lot of experience with events. I have a lot of

2061
02:55:51,350 --> 02:55:57,250
experience with events as well. Having worked on the Secretary of the Open Street event

2062
02:55:57,250 --> 02:55:58,770
when I was on the Environmental Commission.

2063
02:55:58,770 --> 02:56:05,370
I do know that it's expensive for the city to hold events so this is a way for the city to be

2064
02:56:05,370 --> 02:56:13,750
involved but the heavy lifting on the event is the responsibility of the non-profit so it's a

2065
02:56:13,750 --> 02:56:18,870
way for the city to be associated with something that's actually bigger than what the city

2066
02:56:18,870 --> 02:56:26,430
can handle financially. So there may be some benefits to the city playing a small role here

2067
02:56:26,430 --> 02:56:34,090
with giving some money to help support this event but it's really getting a bigger amount

2068
02:56:34,090 --> 02:56:40,030
of volunteers and a bigger amount of fundraising that the nonprofit brings forward.

2069
02:56:40,570 --> 02:56:46,130
If the city handled the whole event, it would be more expensive for the city to do that.

2070
02:56:49,200 --> 02:56:50,600
What are the funders in for?

2071
02:56:53,280 --> 02:56:57,340
I'm not on the board of this event, so I don't know what's missing in this report.

2072
02:56:57,340 --> 02:57:06,640
And what I would say is that's the purpose for bringing that back, and we'll have that discussion in a future date, so I think we've got a motion in the second.

2073
02:57:08,600 --> 02:57:11,320
I call the question if I don't see anybody else.

2074
02:57:12,100 --> 02:57:13,220
So let's call the question.

2075
02:57:13,500 --> 02:57:25,800
I just want to make sure that says to send back to staff for more complete report to include the exploration and explanation of costs, funding, where money goes,

2076
02:57:25,800 --> 02:57:30,540
And the possibility of combining with other like-minded city events?

2077
02:57:30,920 --> 02:57:36,800
Yeah, in particular, the eco-solutions fare, what's it called, Crystal?

2078
02:57:37,260 --> 02:57:39,020
The sustainability solutions fare.

2079
02:57:39,100 --> 02:57:39,440
The sustainability solutions fare.

2080
02:57:39,500 --> 02:57:45,620
And my vision is to have it as kind of a subset venue within it, you know,

2081
02:57:46,320 --> 02:57:53,040
it's mostly vendors and so, but I'm looking for good ideas on how to get more efficient

2082
02:57:53,040 --> 02:57:56,040
and bigger crowds quite frankly.

2083
02:57:59,420 --> 02:58:01,560
So, yep, so we have a motion in a second.

2084
02:58:03,910 --> 02:58:07,270
And a motion carries with Deputy Mayor Lines voting no.

2085
02:58:07,950 --> 02:58:08,330
Okay.

2086
02:58:11,460 --> 02:58:15,980
With that we move on to item 8J.

2087
02:58:17,760 --> 02:58:18,580
Which is yep.

2088
02:58:18,660 --> 02:58:20,940
Members of the public and there are several.

2089
02:58:22,280 --> 02:58:22,620
Nine.

2090
02:58:23,500 --> 02:58:24,100
So,

2091
02:58:27,500 --> 02:58:33,840
this is authorization to enter into a master lease agreement for a small wireless facility,

2092
02:58:34,680 --> 02:58:42,380
attachment installation with ubiquiah, incorporated in contact person, is Senior Management Analyst Elmore.

2093
02:58:44,380 --> 02:58:45,540
So, we'll have a staff report.

2094
02:58:50,580 --> 02:58:52,360
Good evening, Mayor Deputy Mayor Council.

2095
02:58:52,680 --> 02:58:53,580
I name Mr. Elmore.

2096
02:58:53,580 --> 02:58:57,980
I'm Senior Management Analyst with Public Works Department, and I'm bringing this item to you this evening.

2097
02:58:57,980 --> 02:59:13,240
There's a brief history of the negotiation that went on to bring us to this point, but essentially we've got a firm that approached the city wanting to install some devices on city owned electrified light poles.

2098
02:59:13,660 --> 02:59:21,420
It used the electricity coming through those poles to power their devices and create a wireless communication network throughout the city.

2099
02:59:21,420 --> 02:59:26,540
So we went through a process of negotiation to reach terms, modified the

2100
02:59:26,540 --> 02:59:30,300
template agreements that were in existence slightly and presented that in

2101
02:59:30,300 --> 02:59:34,620
complete a format to you today, and I can take any questions you have.

2102
02:59:38,470 --> 02:59:44,750
Okay, I've got some, we're already to baseline questions, so questions of

2103
02:59:44,750 --> 02:59:45,170
clarification.

2104
02:59:45,810 --> 02:59:52,070
Next, what is the status for next G, the previous small wireless carrier in the

2105
02:59:52,070 --> 02:59:53,510
city, are they still active?

2106
02:59:53,510 --> 02:59:59,630
I believe they are. I haven't checked into that. Okay, so do we know how many current?

2107
03:00:00,740 --> 03:00:03,240
Polls, they have up and active.

2108
03:00:03,820 --> 03:00:14,700
I don't the item that I presented in the General Report is complete. It's the agreement with all of the subsequent amendments and the individual request for permits for mounting.

2109
03:00:15,180 --> 03:00:18,880
So if you were to go through there, you could tabulate it manually that way, but I don't have a number off the line.

2110
03:00:18,880 --> 03:00:28,360
In that case, it said 13, the original agreement from 2006, said 13 polls, so I'm assuming we're talking something similar here,

2111
03:00:31,290 --> 03:00:32,930
and I don't know, but I'm asking.

2112
03:00:33,630 --> 03:00:43,110
Yeah, I am not an expert in the technology that this firm is bringing to our community, but the conversations that I've had with them lead me to believe that it would be more than that number.

2113
03:00:43,110 --> 03:00:50,070
They describe the technology as being smaller, drawing lower power, creating a less robust

2114
03:00:50,070 --> 03:00:53,330
signal, and requiring more devices to fill out the network.

2115
03:00:54,010 --> 03:00:58,590
So you're probably talking about significantly more than 13, but I could not put a firm

2116
03:00:58,590 --> 03:00:59,270
number on it for you.

2117
03:01:00,030 --> 03:01:03,990
And they are fed from fiber cables coming up to the pole.

2118
03:01:04,630 --> 03:01:06,330
They're powered from the pole.

2119
03:01:06,830 --> 03:01:10,270
So rather than installing a separate electric meter, they're tapping the power that comes to

2120
03:01:10,270 --> 03:01:11,090
the sea light pole.

2121
03:01:11,090 --> 03:01:18,270
It's mounted on top of the cober head and attached to the pole that is the arching pole that extends to the vertical.

2122
03:01:18,810 --> 03:01:20,990
How does it get its data signal?

2123
03:01:21,430 --> 03:01:23,330
I assume it's a fiber in the pavement.

2124
03:01:24,110 --> 03:01:33,550
Again, I'm not an expert in this, but what I glean from the information they provided is that there are points at which the network ties into fiber optics, but it's not at every single location.

2125
03:01:34,570 --> 03:01:37,430
So they would relay the signal through the individual antenna,

2126
03:01:37,430 --> 03:01:42,090
is my understanding until it dot to a point where the fiber optic is okay. So some polls will have

2127
03:01:42,530 --> 03:01:47,290
pavement dug up with a little slit and I have to get it repatched to put in.

2128
03:01:48,150 --> 03:01:52,230
I'm going to guess it has I mean I'm going to tell communications engineer background so

2129
03:01:53,450 --> 03:02:00,630
I would okay. And I'm going to do a little a little go back with ricochet you remember ricochet anybody

2130
03:02:00,630 --> 03:02:06,950
remember ricochet wireless went bankrupt in 2011 we used to have and I haven't seen one recently

2131
03:02:06,950 --> 03:02:11,950
but for about 10 years after that, probably till the early, till a year or two ago, we would

2132
03:02:11,950 --> 03:02:16,210
have on our light poles. We would have a little thing hanging down about that big with a

2133
03:02:16,210 --> 03:02:20,910
little wire and 10, a hanging down below it. And they were sitting there many years, if not

2134
03:02:20,910 --> 03:02:29,010
a full decade after the thing went bankrupt. One of the things I'm looking for is bonding

2135
03:02:29,010 --> 03:02:36,670
to require the to fund removal if they cease to exist, because what seems to happen and especially

2136
03:02:36,670 --> 03:02:44,990
in the wireless arena is companies go away and then they don't clean up after themselves

2137
03:02:44,990 --> 03:02:45,850
very well.

2138
03:02:47,630 --> 03:02:53,070
So, so those are my initial questions, anybody else?

2139
03:02:53,290 --> 03:02:53,830
Council member Schafer.

2140
03:02:54,770 --> 03:02:58,710
Yeah, so for this, is this something that we've already got to contract with them?

2141
03:02:59,370 --> 03:03:00,810
We don't have a contract with them, yes.

2142
03:03:00,950 --> 03:03:01,230
No, sir.

2143
03:03:01,290 --> 03:03:02,470
We do not have a contract with this.

2144
03:03:02,470 --> 03:03:03,490
They are not received wired.

2145
03:03:03,930 --> 03:03:05,370
They have a contract with them.

2146
03:03:06,110 --> 03:03:10,470
Strictly speaking, I don't believe we are, I, you know, I will go to the council for that, but I don't believe we are.

2147
03:03:10,870 --> 03:03:16,530
Okay, I'm just, I'm reading page 88 of the report, or if you want to pull that up for

2148
03:03:24,080 --> 03:03:24,480
the target.

2149
03:03:25,280 --> 03:03:25,840
Warren, the wizard,

2150
03:03:48,320 --> 03:03:49,680
I think we're on the same page now.

2151
03:03:49,960 --> 03:03:54,660
Yes, so we're going through the admissions portion and this is, this is the admissions section.

2152
03:03:55,980 --> 03:04:03,820
Up there in paragraph one, there's a footnote at the number one about, was it 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,

2153
03:04:03,820 --> 03:04:08,060
Six lines down just past limitations. Yes, we have a number one.

2154
03:04:08,260 --> 03:04:13,640
You should go down to the bottom. One, local zoning regulations cannot prohibit or effectively prohibit personal

2155
03:04:13,640 --> 03:04:22,040
wireless services. Unreasonably discriminate among functionally equivalent services or regulate based on

2156
03:04:22,540 --> 03:04:29,820
environmental impacts from frequent radio frequency emissions in addition to local decisions must be made within a reasonable

2157
03:04:29,820 --> 03:04:37,180
time and any denial requires a written decision based on some middle of evidence in the written

2158
03:04:37,180 --> 03:04:37,620
record.

2159
03:04:38,180 --> 03:04:44,980
So then I scroll back down to 89 and you got a section C, the paragraph C there.

2160
03:04:45,660 --> 03:04:47,640
I'm sorry, you said section 9, paragraph C.

2161
03:04:48,400 --> 03:04:48,700
89.

2162
03:04:49,140 --> 03:04:49,380
Yeah, you said.

2163
03:04:49,900 --> 03:04:50,320
Yes, right.

2164
03:04:50,520 --> 03:04:55,900
You take the mouse over to the right side of the page where it says peer, right?

2165
03:04:56,520 --> 03:04:59,960
So it's talking about the FCC and some of the radio frequency rig.

2166
03:05:01,240 --> 03:05:16,000
We cannot deny this. It sounds a lot like what's going on with the state with our housing right now. They're requiring a lot of things and not really. And it says, peer reviewed studies have reported biological damage, including, but not limited to genotoxicity,

2167
03:05:16,000 --> 03:05:22,600
neuro toxicity in humans and animals, brain and heart cancer, autoimmune disease, DNA damage,

2168
03:05:22,800 --> 03:05:30,540
mitochondrial damage, brain damage, breakdown of the brain's protective brain barrier.

2169
03:05:33,260 --> 03:05:38,980
These are words, infertility, and insomnia in levels below the FCC's limits.

2170
03:05:41,240 --> 03:05:47,380
That's very, very interesting, but this is in the middle of a report that's got a tiny

2171
03:05:47,380 --> 03:05:51,400
footnote and page 89 section C, that's what's coming up,

2172
03:05:54,880 --> 03:05:56,780
and this is kind of in the direction

2173
03:05:56,780 --> 03:06:00,740
of kind of where Mrs. Dalamara was going earlier with regards to some of the things I personally

2174
03:06:00,740 --> 03:06:01,120
think.

2175
03:06:02,220 --> 03:06:06,000
So, I appreciate you guys bringing this to me, and I think you heard me say this yesterday

2176
03:06:06,000 --> 03:06:13,520
and the staff report, or staff report, I am not personally, I'm not for this.

2177
03:06:13,860 --> 03:06:17,640
I know that's not where we are right now, but I am not for this type of stuff coming to

2178
03:06:17,640 --> 03:06:18,240
our town.

2179
03:06:18,680 --> 03:06:20,400
That's kind of like you said, they're just going to leave it behind.

2180
03:06:21,940 --> 03:06:22,540
It's in place.

2181
03:06:22,600 --> 03:06:25,880
I know 5G is kind of going far and wide right now, but I think people are starting to wake

2182
03:06:25,880 --> 03:06:30,960
up to it just like a lot of other things going on in our nation and in this world as a

2183
03:06:30,960 --> 03:06:32,180
whole, so I'll leave it there.

2184
03:06:34,220 --> 03:06:34,400
Okay.

2185
03:06:34,700 --> 03:06:35,880
I've got some never seen Antonio.

2186
03:06:39,200 --> 03:06:48,780
I think we talked about yesterday. I just want to just, I guess, for the public, how many of these antennas are going to go around are expected to be going around?

2187
03:06:51,220 --> 03:06:56,020
It's an open question. It depends upon the demand that they receive from people who want to utilize them.

2188
03:06:56,440 --> 03:07:05,160
So, if you were to think about the number of these that would be required as opposed to the other devices that are already in the community,

2189
03:07:05,160 --> 03:07:10,920
My best guess, based on what I saw, is that you're looking in the area of a couple hundred.

2190
03:07:11,540 --> 03:07:15,500
Citywide, part of the agreement notes the number of polls that are available.

2191
03:07:16,260 --> 03:07:18,260
And that's upwards of a thousand.

2192
03:07:19,240 --> 03:07:22,800
The age 82 has a description of some of the proposed streetlights.

2193
03:07:22,980 --> 03:07:27,740
Is that a picture on page 82 here that we give?

2194
03:07:27,920 --> 03:07:32,540
Some kind of just an illustration of how they'll probably be dispersed throughout town.

2195
03:07:37,150 --> 03:07:46,850
No, actually I think that is the next G map that's one I was citing when I said 13 so this is in this section page 82

2196
03:07:46,850 --> 03:07:52,130
You what you're reading about the telecommunication act of 1996 was absolutely accurate

2197
03:07:53,030 --> 03:07:57,150
Especially back in 2006 and I will ask our city attorney to

2198
03:07:57,150 --> 03:08:03,510
Opine if there are any updates and case law changes because that would have been something written in

2199
03:08:03,510 --> 03:08:06,990
2006 and I don't know if anything

2200
03:08:06,990 --> 03:08:10,930
his change since I got off planning commission, but on planning commission we did a lot of

2201
03:08:10,930 --> 03:08:17,970
cell towers and we fought quite a few cell towers, not 5G per se, but all of them.

2202
03:08:18,870 --> 03:08:25,990
And yeah, so I don't know if this would this be a good time to, are you done, Councilman?

2203
03:08:26,450 --> 03:08:27,970
I mean, okay.

2204
03:08:29,010 --> 03:08:35,150
And so we'll go to, Tarkwin, any comments or anything you'd like to add to the conversation

2205
03:08:35,150 --> 03:08:42,750
about telecommunication act in 1996 in any case law since then.

2206
03:08:43,470 --> 03:08:48,710
I'm not aware of, you know, some of the changes in the case law that would apply here.

2207
03:08:48,830 --> 03:08:57,630
I know that for it to USC-52, C-7, the FCC regulations and federal code continues to

2208
03:08:57,630 --> 03:09:04,070
prohibit the city from or local local jurisdictions from regulating the frequencies.

2209
03:09:06,090 --> 03:09:14,650
So we can't deny what the access is that health cannot be a grounds for a local entity to deny

2210
03:09:14,650 --> 03:09:20,750
fundamentally. And that's consistent with what's happened at our planning division and appeals

2211
03:09:20,750 --> 03:09:22,530
to a prior city council.

2212
03:09:23,430 --> 03:09:23,450
Correct?

2213
03:09:24,190 --> 03:09:24,710
So, okay.

2214
03:09:25,690 --> 03:09:27,170
So, council member O'Hara?

2215
03:09:28,570 --> 03:09:31,350
I think I'm sort of asking the same question, but just to be clear.

2216
03:09:32,710 --> 03:09:34,250
Under the recommended action,

2217
03:09:36,510 --> 03:09:40,290
are we voting on the contract?

2218
03:09:40,890 --> 03:09:42,410
Are we voting on the concept?

2219
03:09:45,270 --> 03:09:46,450
That's a good question.

2220
03:09:47,250 --> 03:09:48,610
I think we're voting on the license.

2221
03:09:48,610 --> 03:09:54,770
The recommended action is in two parts. One is a resolution to update, essentially the

2222
03:09:54,770 --> 03:09:58,690
feed structure associated with these devices. These devices are different and the network

2223
03:09:58,690 --> 03:09:59,730
technology is different.

2224
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:11,060
So the fee structure reflects that difference. And also establishes a reasonable cost basis for the fees that are proposed that we've come to terms with the vendor on.

2225
03:10:11,440 --> 03:10:17,180
So that's the resolution and it updates council's prior action, which was to set the amount of $270.

2226
03:10:18,020 --> 03:10:27,120
My understanding is that's what FCCU said was the no question to ask an entity like us who had charged a firm coming in to attach these to a poll.

2227
03:10:27,120 --> 03:10:33,300
But they did not set a ceiling so far as there was a reasonable cost basis in both parties were in agreement about that

2228
03:10:33,300 --> 03:10:40,140
So that's the first part of the recommended action the second is for the master license agreement that agrees upon the terms

2229
03:10:40,140 --> 03:10:45,740
Generally for these there is a subsequent step to this that is not in the right recommend action today

2230
03:10:45,740 --> 03:10:51,660
But would play out over time based upon the master license agreement and those are poll license applications

2231
03:10:51,660 --> 03:11:03,320
And so every time they would like to come in and attach one to a poll, the city would have to review that, and approve it, and then it would be a fair game for the vendor to go ahead and attach that.

2232
03:11:03,720 --> 03:11:12,400
So it's a one by one process after if Council chose to adopt the recommended actions this evening.

2233
03:11:12,960 --> 03:11:17,160
Afterwards, there would be this one poll at a time process that would play out administratively through the city.

2234
03:11:18,500 --> 03:11:29,730
So I guess what I'm missing in my question is if we voted no on this, what would the result be?

2235
03:11:30,490 --> 03:11:34,310
The immediate result would be that there would be no change to the status quo.

2236
03:11:36,390 --> 03:11:46,110
I don't know what the, our counterparts action would be after that, is my understanding

2237
03:11:47,410 --> 03:11:51,870
that they could pursue other ways to introduce the devices in the community.

2238
03:11:52,430 --> 03:11:57,310
I don't have a total grasp of that, again, I'm not an expert in this area, but I have

2239
03:11:57,310 --> 03:12:01,310
been counseled that it's possible for them to pull permits and drop their own polls.

2240
03:12:02,750 --> 03:12:09,650
So we were balancing in aesthetic impact against the likelihood that they might actually do that or not.

2241
03:12:10,130 --> 03:12:10,730
We don't know.

2242
03:12:11,530 --> 03:12:16,290
It's kind of up in the air and there are definitely smarter people who might be able to answer that better.

2243
03:12:16,490 --> 03:12:18,930
But that's how I understand the landscape of that dynamic.

2244
03:12:21,330 --> 03:12:32,560
Is there a need identified to bring this in or was there their service expanding in our area?

2245
03:12:32,920 --> 03:12:39,740
We were approached by the company by E-Bickway with request to move forward on this.

2246
03:12:40,000 --> 03:12:47,640
And part of that request was to make a special allowance for the specific type of architecture of their network,

2247
03:12:47,640 --> 03:12:53,160
which requires the more devices and that's why there was negotiation or fee because of the

2248
03:12:53,160 --> 03:12:57,000
number versus the price per, right? So that took quite a while to work through.

2249
03:12:58,000 --> 03:13:02,320
Thank you. I appreciate you clarifying that. It's really helpful for me.

2250
03:13:02,360 --> 03:13:07,160
I know we're going to have a lot of public comments. I just want to have that ground work set.

2251
03:13:07,840 --> 03:13:14,380
And so how many do we have? We have nine right now. Okay. Let's take the public comment right now.

2252
03:13:14,380 --> 03:13:20,000
First speaker is Patty's a quick question. Do we have anybody here from you, Bikwia?

2253
03:13:21,700 --> 03:13:26,500
I mean, they did not choose to attend to the busmai knowledge. I don't recognize any of them.

2254
03:13:26,720 --> 03:13:32,140
That's unique. Definitely. That's very unique. Okay. First three speakers. First speaker is Patty

2255
03:13:32,140 --> 03:13:38,520
Staddlemire with the time donation from Mark Staddlemire, who's present. Then Carol Donahue and then

2256
03:13:38,520 --> 03:13:40,200
Donnie Nicholson.

2257
03:13:46,280 --> 03:13:47,000
Thanks, Karen.

2258
03:13:48,680 --> 03:13:51,380
Mayor, council members, Patty style Mayor.

2259
03:13:53,520 --> 03:13:57,120
And, oh, about the FCC, you know what?

2260
03:13:57,320 --> 03:14:00,000
I just read something with a government shutdown

2261
03:14:00,000 --> 03:14:03,120
that the FCC's shutdown also.

2262
03:14:04,520 --> 03:14:14,140
Okay, so here we have ubiquitous small cell 5G and their tagline.

2263
03:14:14,140 --> 03:14:15,980
for their sales pitch.

2264
03:14:16,240 --> 03:14:17,420
Almost invisible.

2265
03:14:18,340 --> 03:14:22,320
Nobody's gonna know that you snack that on the lamp.

2266
03:14:23,080 --> 03:14:26,440
Post or the lamp, or the light, okay.

2267
03:14:29,240 --> 03:14:34,040
So the ask is for the master license and agreement

2268
03:14:34,040 --> 03:14:37,140
with you, Bic, we have for five, G, Smalls,

2269
03:14:37,240 --> 03:14:40,620
oh, by your list, to street lights, no, opposed.

2270
03:14:41,360 --> 03:14:43,020
I'm asking that you put the welfare,

2271
03:14:43,020 --> 03:14:47,040
the Institute of Residence before many financial interests.

2272
03:14:47,680 --> 03:14:52,360
Number one, we already have wireless adequate wireless coverage.

2273
03:14:53,000 --> 03:14:57,900
I mean, can you actually prove that we have gaps in coverage?

2274
03:14:58,760 --> 03:14:59,960
2, we don't need...

2275
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:09,300
Any more antennas? Three, we don't want to video surveillance infrastructure for. We don't want more white microwave, radiation in our neighborhoods and schools.

2276
03:15:10,180 --> 03:15:15,720
We don't want to metro and synede us, like they advertise on ubiquiah.

2277
03:15:16,700 --> 03:15:25,360
We don't want to metro and synede a smart city with 5G on street lights. On page 89, thank you, councilman.

2278
03:15:25,360 --> 03:15:33,000
for her already reading that. It says right in there, the city is nevertheless aware of an increasing

2279
03:15:33,000 --> 03:15:38,760
body of scientific research documenting biological and environmental damage from RF radiation.

2280
03:15:39,040 --> 03:15:48,800
It levels below FCC limits. The FCC limits are like a thousand compared to like Europe.

2281
03:15:54,460 --> 03:15:55,340
They're

2282
03:15:55,340 --> 03:16:05,080
Okay, so the in that page 89 says peer-reviewed studies have reported biological damage,

2283
03:16:05,080 --> 03:16:14,320
including but not limited to genome toxicity, toxicity, carton, carcinogenesis, cancer,

2284
03:16:14,540 --> 03:16:16,000
cancer, cancer, cancer,

2285
03:16:19,240 --> 03:16:20,200
cancer, cancer,

2286
03:16:24,040 --> 03:16:25,320
cancer, cancer, cancer, cancer, cancer, cancer,

2287
03:16:25,320 --> 03:16:31,000
So you'll damage brain damage, break down of the brain's protective blood-brain barrier.

2288
03:16:31,400 --> 03:16:37,540
In fact, by the way, children are much more susceptible to do that, to that.

2289
03:16:37,740 --> 03:16:41,780
Infertility and Somnia levels below FCC limits.

2290
03:16:43,060 --> 03:16:50,660
So the city says, they have growing concerns that the RF standards set by the FCC may

2291
03:16:50,660 --> 03:16:55,200
not be adequately protect public health and safety.

2292
03:16:55,560 --> 03:16:57,900
This is all on page 89 of that.

2293
03:16:57,960 --> 03:16:59,480
Agreement, everybody can read.

2294
03:17:00,400 --> 03:17:03,380
So it's part of the amended city council policies

2295
03:17:03,380 --> 03:17:08,440
C-035 of the 2020-38 resolution.

2296
03:17:09,160 --> 03:17:12,560
So the staff and you, the council, know this.

2297
03:17:13,140 --> 03:17:15,920
Thus I ask you prioritize the well-being

2298
03:17:15,920 --> 03:17:18,420
of insinitous residents and visitors

2299
03:17:18,420 --> 03:17:22,280
and all living creatures and matter over money.

2300
03:17:22,620 --> 03:17:28,140
I.E. financial contract with ubiquiah and their 5G infrastructure

2301
03:17:28,140 --> 03:17:33,640
complete with their surveillance technology with cameras and data mining

2302
03:17:33,640 --> 03:17:38,980
by voting no and their agenda. And the document states that the city owns 1800

2303
03:17:38,980 --> 03:17:43,180
street lights and the incident is plonged with 1200 more.

2304
03:17:45,480 --> 03:18:08,140
Well, this could be the cash cow for you, Goya, and the map on page 82 shows the first ones to be placed are in the least preferred locations, residential schools, sports park, nature preserves, all locations were children span most of their days and nights.

2305
03:18:08,940 --> 03:18:17,000
Again, I ask that you, but the well-being of residents, visitors, over money and vote no

2306
03:18:17,000 --> 03:18:21,440
on this agenda, aid, J. Thank you.

2307
03:18:31,530 --> 03:18:36,930
Following Carol is Joanne Midgelson, Sylvia Tillman and then Lindsay Richards.

2308
03:18:48,700 --> 03:18:53,500
I request that you vote no on this agenda.

2309
03:18:53,500 --> 03:19:08,100
And what struck me is that it's an agreement with collaboration, you be ubiquitous, that specializes in smart city infrastructure, including small cell channels.

2310
03:19:09,420 --> 03:19:09,760
Thank you.

2311
03:19:10,180 --> 03:19:10,320
Thank you.

2312
03:19:10,320 --> 03:19:11,220
Thank you.

2313
03:19:14,210 --> 03:19:17,290
And should I begin again and again?

2314
03:19:17,290 --> 03:19:25,310
Specializes in smart cell infrastructure, including small cell antennas, attachments, and video surveillance.

2315
03:19:26,490 --> 03:19:33,030
So that means we're going to have a little more EMF RF radiation from city lights,

2316
03:19:35,290 --> 03:19:40,510
surveillance, smart cities, have been help us.

2317
03:19:42,430 --> 03:19:51,950
I'm going to read from something I wrote back in August 21st of 2019 here before a different council.

2318
03:19:53,310 --> 03:19:59,970
And as you know, we were successful in getting, I think, 17.

2319
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:10,560
The meeting of 23 asks from that council and it passed. I speak tonight as a citizen of

2320
03:20:10,560 --> 03:20:18,160
Ennis who has been in it is adversely affected by cell tower and antenna radiations to an unimaginable

2321
03:20:18,160 --> 03:20:25,720
degree. Just as pain is difficult for anyone to describe, no matter what is causing it, so are

2322
03:20:25,720 --> 03:20:33,080
burning sensations, weakening conditions in the human body, created by these intense and intensifying

2323
03:20:33,080 --> 03:20:44,560
radiations. Such effects can manifest variously as migraines, mental deterioration, disorientation,

2324
03:20:44,860 --> 03:20:49,860
memory loss, heart conditions, moderate to excretion and pain or discomfort,

2325
03:20:49,860 --> 03:21:00,980
Limitating ability to perform and even dreaded cancer, and I think we've mentioned what it can do, passing the blood-bring barrier.

2326
03:21:01,980 --> 03:21:04,740
Speaking of sleeping, I never get through a night.

2327
03:21:05,700 --> 03:21:11,480
Granted, most people do not experience radiation to this degree, at least not right away,

2328
03:21:12,140 --> 03:21:19,840
nor are most conscious or aware of it, but from my experience, I know it is happening little by little for all of us.

2329
03:21:19,840 --> 03:21:27,980
Just as Rachel Carson's book, Simon Spring, warned the world of the disruptive and destructive

2330
03:21:27,980 --> 03:21:30,600
effects of environmental pollution.

2331
03:21:31,360 --> 03:21:38,160
So now we can become aware of and warned of the intense, powerful 5G radiations potential

2332
03:21:38,160 --> 03:21:46,500
and actual serious, excuse the word, health hazards, to human beings, to the good earth

2333
03:21:46,500 --> 03:21:49,560
that nourishes us, and to every entity.

2334
03:21:51,400 --> 03:21:52,240
Thank you.

2335
03:21:52,260 --> 03:21:52,900
Oh, no.

2336
03:21:53,500 --> 03:21:54,500
Time flies.

2337
03:21:55,260 --> 03:21:55,980
I have more.

2338
03:21:57,000 --> 03:22:05,240
I hope that we can continue this because most of us didn't even know about it until the week ago.

2339
03:22:05,440 --> 03:22:06,000
Thank you.

2340
03:22:06,000 --> 03:22:08,280
So it would be nice if the public can be warned.

2341
03:22:17,850 --> 03:22:22,150
Sylvia Toman? Sylvia here?

2342
03:22:24,190 --> 03:22:25,190
How about Lindsey Richards?

2343
03:22:28,130 --> 03:22:28,810
Michael Schwab.

2344
03:22:29,670 --> 03:22:31,370
And he's a termination from Betty Pope.

2345
03:22:31,630 --> 03:22:32,430
Betty, are you here?

2346
03:22:37,400 --> 03:22:39,300
And then followed by Rachel's source.

2347
03:22:39,920 --> 03:22:41,540
And then Richard Benevery.

2348
03:22:45,290 --> 03:22:46,610
My name is Michael Schwabie.

2349
03:22:46,790 --> 03:22:47,010
Yeah.

2350
03:22:47,270 --> 03:22:49,070
Michael, if you could move over to the microphone.

2351
03:22:49,350 --> 03:22:50,150
I do this.

2352
03:22:50,390 --> 03:22:51,130
Or vice versa.

2353
03:22:51,610 --> 03:22:53,330
My name is Michael Schwabie.

2354
03:22:53,910 --> 03:22:55,090
And I live in Locadia.

2355
03:22:55,090 --> 03:23:00,090
about a block south of the La Costa Nursery as a cross-less.

2356
03:23:00,630 --> 03:23:02,290
I've been there for a long time.

2357
03:23:04,380 --> 03:23:08,360
I want to thank the Council for their service tonight,

2358
03:23:09,200 --> 03:23:11,560
in all the ways that they serve.

2359
03:23:12,060 --> 03:23:21,700
And I want to thank Luke Schaefer for reading section 2.c. regarding

2360
03:23:23,780 --> 03:23:28,240
how microwave affects us and also for patty.

2361
03:23:29,320 --> 03:23:30,660
That was part of my presentation.

2362
03:23:32,820 --> 03:23:34,560
My ask is this.

2363
03:23:35,260 --> 03:23:41,580
First, on the cost for the, for using the antennas,

2364
03:23:41,700 --> 03:23:42,900
I'm all for that.

2365
03:23:43,300 --> 03:23:46,220
And you might also consider a yearly adjustment

2366
03:23:46,220 --> 03:23:49,100
to do to inflation if it's not already there.

2367
03:23:50,460 --> 03:23:53,320
Secondly, I'd like you to oppose

2368
03:23:53,320 --> 03:23:57,060
and vote no on this contract.

2369
03:23:58,480 --> 03:24:02,440
And then if you're inclined in any way to vote yes,

2370
03:24:03,700 --> 03:24:10,120
I want you to table the motion for now,

2371
03:24:10,460 --> 03:24:13,140
and set up a city workshop,

2372
03:24:14,580 --> 03:24:17,720
town hall meeting where this can be discussed.

2373
03:24:17,900 --> 03:24:20,960
And it's broader implications can be discussed.

2374
03:24:20,960 --> 03:24:21,640
I

2375
03:24:25,380 --> 03:24:29,460
don't know if you've been to the bibliobick or your website with this is Smart City.

2376
03:24:30,320 --> 03:24:37,460
In all the ways, Smart Cities have a high density of radiation to support all the devices

2377
03:24:38,200 --> 03:24:41,660
and the conveniences associated with this Smart City.

2378
03:24:43,500 --> 03:24:50,460
None of this is about the quality of life, in other words, the support of this organism and

2379
03:24:50,460 --> 03:24:51,640
the sustaining of life.

2380
03:24:51,920 --> 03:24:56,480
Microwaves, it all levels have some effect.

2381
03:24:58,480 --> 03:24:59,960
In the US, it's a...

2382
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:03,360
2,000 micro watts per centimeter squared.

2383
03:25:05,440 --> 03:25:11,840
And this is based on food-trained animal studies where rats were

2384
03:25:11,840 --> 03:25:18,360
radiated and at the level that they would no longer eat, they were weighed and their temperature

2385
03:25:18,360 --> 03:25:24,120
was measured with an anal probe, and their dose was determined. And from that we had the

2386
03:25:24,120 --> 03:25:33,640
in micro watts per centimeter square. It's a thermal limit. The Russian limit is 1% of the US

2387
03:25:33,640 --> 03:25:37,840
limit. It's based on immunological studies of rabbits.

2388
03:25:43,110 --> 03:25:46,350
How could anything so convenient the harmful

2389
03:25:46,350 --> 03:25:50,890
to us? I mean the government, the government would protect us. The government would warn us

2390
03:25:50,890 --> 03:25:52,230
I hear this from everyone.

2391
03:25:56,420 --> 03:26:09,620
If we look at the proposal in the where-as, there are some statements that imply that there's a shortfall of wireless coverage in Incinesis.

2392
03:26:10,400 --> 03:26:11,900
I don't believe this is true.

2393
03:26:12,720 --> 03:26:16,520
I've never heard of anyone complain of any shortfall.

2394
03:26:17,240 --> 03:26:23,840
If there was a shortfall anywhere, a telecom company that was affected

2395
03:26:23,840 --> 03:26:29,020
would have submitted an antenna application to make that right for their service.

2396
03:26:30,320 --> 03:26:36,840
I don't think we need any more antennas in terms of the light poles,

2397
03:26:37,560 --> 03:26:46,600
per the FCC policies, all the light poles and antennas are available for their cell phones.

2398
03:26:47,100 --> 03:26:48,260
That's the policy.

2399
03:26:49,720 --> 03:26:56,620
And so, and even in this document, it says, it's not exclusive to ubiquie, if another company wants to come in and use an antenna.

2400
03:26:57,380 --> 03:26:59,300
So, they're all available in some way.

2401
03:27:04,080 --> 03:27:05,380
With regard to ubiquie,

2402
03:27:07,600 --> 03:27:15,440
what do my colleagues wrote, Jared, and asked for information, and ubiquie replied and Jared shared that information?

2403
03:27:16,800 --> 03:27:18,000
Here's the skinny.

2404
03:27:19,180 --> 03:27:24,600
Once access is secured, your bickering up will notify wireless carriers, then insine

2405
03:27:24,600 --> 03:27:30,660
industry lights are now available for installation of their 5G small cell technology.

2406
03:27:32,620 --> 03:27:37,560
Okay, so this contract is like really slick, because this is going to set up your bickering

2407
03:27:39,190 --> 03:27:46,550
The bottom line is the number of antennas that they put their small cell attachment

2408
03:27:46,550 --> 03:27:47,030
on.

2409
03:27:48,050 --> 03:27:54,630
So, this is going to mean a lot more antennas in Incinesis and a lot more radiation.

2410
03:27:57,120 --> 03:28:10,540
With the installation of their small cell devices there will be an infrastructure and the

2411
03:28:10,540 --> 03:28:17,940
We'll then support all the other devices that they sell surveillance cameras and you name it.

2412
03:28:25,470 --> 03:28:32,310
So I would say please consider no or table for a greater discussion of the greater implications

2413
03:28:32,310 --> 03:28:34,390
for our community.

2414
03:28:36,690 --> 03:28:37,090
Thank you.

2415
03:28:37,310 --> 03:28:38,030
Thank you.

2416
03:28:42,750 --> 03:28:49,270
Rachel Sores, followed by Richard Benibri and then Elena Thompson.

2417
03:28:49,950 --> 03:28:50,650
Let's see Elena.

2418
03:28:50,650 --> 03:28:51,190
How

2419
03:28:59,510 --> 03:29:07,090
about we to say no to all of it. It's been overwhelming in the last five years and I'm like why is everybody trying to sell us something

2420
03:29:07,090 --> 03:29:08,970
We do we need this

2421
03:29:09,710 --> 03:29:15,730
I wrote down a couple points again get evening council members. My name is Rachel Swaris

2422
03:29:15,730 --> 03:29:21,350
I'm a business owner here in Encinitas and I've been a resident in Cardiff since 2003

2423
03:29:22,250 --> 03:29:26,390
I'm here to urge you to vote no on item

2424
03:29:26,390 --> 03:29:31,090
H.A. allowing small cell 5G antennas on our streetlights.

2425
03:29:32,650 --> 03:29:37,550
First, the long-term health effects of constant exposure to 5G frequencies are still unknown.

2426
03:29:38,150 --> 03:29:42,810
The FCC's standards are decades old and based only on short-term healing,

2427
03:29:43,390 --> 03:29:48,350
heating effects, not the biological impacts we're learning about today.

2428
03:29:49,350 --> 03:29:53,930
Until independence research confirmed safety, we shouldn't experiment on our community.

2429
03:29:55,210 --> 03:29:59,970
Second, mounting these antennas throughout neighborhoods can harm wildlife and...

2430
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:06,180
Under our environment, studies show, microwave radiation can disrupt birds, insects, even trees.

2431
03:30:08,100 --> 03:30:14,000
Third, these installations are moving forward without real public consent. I just heard about this,

2432
03:30:14,900 --> 03:30:20,560
from one of my best friends, mother, Patty, over here, and I'm so glad she called.

2433
03:30:21,220 --> 03:30:24,280
I haven't been doing my due diligence as a citizen here.

2434
03:30:25,500 --> 03:30:31,440
So, there's no rule of public consent that if you need private telecom companies, not local residents.

2435
03:30:32,900 --> 03:30:37,260
And finally, this infrastructure is the foundation of future smart city systems.

2436
03:30:37,680 --> 03:30:40,020
Again, how about we say no?

2437
03:30:42,550 --> 03:30:46,550
Data collection, sensors, surveillance, sold us as efficiency.

2438
03:30:47,810 --> 03:30:50,830
Once in place, we lose local control over how it's used.

2439
03:30:50,830 --> 03:30:57,330
I know this. I use digital marketing. They're putting this in to gather data from us that could sell us more things.

2440
03:30:57,550 --> 03:31:02,710
They're putting this in. I hate to say this, but I don't like to say this because I would get happy every day.

2441
03:31:03,010 --> 03:31:08,350
It's the beginning of a digital prison. Like let's just stop it. We don't have to do anything today.

2442
03:31:09,250 --> 03:31:15,430
So let's slow down prioritize people, health, and transparency over profit and convenience.

2443
03:31:16,650 --> 03:31:17,470
Thank you.

2444
03:31:25,980 --> 03:31:26,680
Richard?

2445
03:31:27,240 --> 03:31:27,560
May I never?

2446
03:31:28,960 --> 03:31:29,180
Okay.

2447
03:31:30,400 --> 03:31:31,900
And then I don't see a line off.

2448
03:31:36,800 --> 03:31:37,060
All right.

2449
03:31:37,080 --> 03:31:38,140
Good evening, Mayor.

2450
03:31:38,280 --> 03:31:38,600
Council.

2451
03:31:39,040 --> 03:31:41,240
Thank you for.

2452
03:31:42,240 --> 03:31:46,300
Holding space for this very emotional issue for me personally.

2453
03:31:46,780 --> 03:31:53,900
I've been a part of the public awareness activism of this matter for, well since it

2454
03:31:53,900 --> 03:32:00,540
really rang true for me in 2019 and through COVID,

2455
03:32:03,180 --> 03:32:04,880
we basically were all caught off guard on

2456
03:32:04,880 --> 03:32:09,080
how the telecom industry just thought they could just steam roll more and 10 is all over

2457
03:32:09,080 --> 03:32:10,540
while everyone's on lockdown.

2458
03:32:11,580 --> 03:32:18,500
So I'm in strong and opposition to this measure I'm asking you to say no, as an independent

2459
03:32:18,500 --> 03:32:24,780
documentary filmmaker, like I said, I've been tracking this and I'm working on a documentary

2460
03:32:25,380 --> 03:32:32,380
on this very matter because it's a global issue. If anyone hasn't seen the film, the agenda

2461
03:32:32,380 --> 03:32:38,540
film.com you can find it there. It's really a comprehensive look at what the bigger picture is

2462
03:32:38,540 --> 03:32:41,580
what this infrastructure is heading towards.

2463
03:32:43,440 --> 03:32:51,600
Um, ubiquity, uh, this technology represents a series misleading incursion into our public

2464
03:32:51,600 --> 03:32:55,380
privacy and potentially much worse, according to the UN's 2030 agenda.

2465
03:32:56,800 --> 03:33:00,980
Fifteen-minute cities are a reality that is already beginning to take place.

2466
03:33:01,540 --> 03:33:07,440
As proposed, the small wireless facility agreement disguises a surveillance network under

2467
03:33:07,440 --> 03:33:13,920
guys of infrastructure modernization. I'm curious if you're aware I doubt most

2468
03:33:13,920 --> 03:33:20,660
the public is, but recently the city of San Diego had a contract with

2469
03:33:20,660 --> 03:33:26,880
ubiqua and they were installing these antennas on street lights, but they

2470
03:33:26,880 --> 03:33:30,580
weren't transparent. They were quietly equipped with cameras, microphones,

2471
03:33:31,160 --> 03:33:34,380
and collected pedestrian vehicle and environmental data without public awareness

2472
03:33:34,380 --> 03:33:35,780
and informed consent.

2473
03:33:36,460 --> 03:33:41,820
When the program was exposed, it revealed that thousands of sensors were converging imagery

2474
03:33:41,820 --> 03:33:45,140
and metadata accessible to multiple agencies.

2475
03:33:46,740 --> 03:33:53,380
Despite claims of suspension, video access for police continued outside of the formal contracts

2476
03:33:53,380 --> 03:33:55,360
undermining transparency and oversight.

2477
03:33:57,300 --> 03:34:02,040
The city of Benzoneeda is now being asked to authorize a 25-year agreement with the company

2478
03:34:02,040 --> 03:34:04,560
that is already demonstrated deceptive data practices

2479
03:34:04,560 --> 03:34:05,820
in weak accountability.

2480
03:34:07,600 --> 03:34:08,820
The framing of this proposal

2481
03:34:08,820 --> 03:34:11,920
and this administrative or non-project action

2482
03:34:11,920 --> 03:34:15,440
under the California Environmental Quality Act

2483
03:34:15,440 --> 03:34:17,720
conceals its real implications.

2484
03:34:18,700 --> 03:34:23,140
Continuous data collection for us from our streets,

2485
03:34:23,460 --> 03:34:24,580
neighborhood and citizens.

2486
03:34:26,420 --> 03:34:29,800
This is not simply an upgrade.

2487
03:34:29,800 --> 03:34:36,420
this is something that the city should deny and educate the public more fully on and I'd love

2488
03:34:36,420 --> 03:34:40,660
to have further discussions in the future. Thank you. Thank you.

2489
03:34:43,470 --> 03:34:45,490
That concludes speakers and then

2490
03:34:45,490 --> 03:34:49,670
Scott Campbell and Andy Schoel both registered opposition, but it knows to speak.

2491
03:34:52,060 --> 03:34:52,780
Okay, Council member

2492
03:34:52,780 --> 03:34:53,180
hero.

2493
03:34:57,760 --> 03:34:59,960
So this has been in

2494
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:06,640
Interesting and fascinating agenda item, that first glance appears very mundane.

2495
03:35:08,780 --> 03:35:09,620
And before I go further

2496
03:35:09,620 --> 03:35:17,440
in this, because I know this has been the case for me, I want to acknowledge senior management

2497
03:35:17,440 --> 03:35:25,320
analyst, Mr. Chair Delmore, for all your work on this because I certainly feel like it was for

2498
03:35:25,320 --> 03:35:30,580
to us you walked into what looks like a contract agreement, and now we're talking about science

2499
03:35:30,580 --> 03:35:37,720
and sociology and other aspects in consciousness and you know, in good conscious decisions

2500
03:35:37,720 --> 03:35:43,660
that come into this that you probably didn't expect me to look this on. And so I appreciate

2501
03:35:43,660 --> 03:35:49,340
your hard work on this. I think we have enough

2502
03:35:51,930 --> 03:35:56,950
questioning of what we're doing here to hit the

2503
03:35:56,950 --> 03:36:04,850
But in my opinion I'm going to oppose this if someone else puts the motion forward to oppose it

2504
03:36:04,850 --> 03:36:09,910
I will back them up, but that's where I lean right now and I'll position of it, but I'm going to let somebody else make a motion

2505
03:36:11,430 --> 03:36:19,060
Motion to oppose but tell you what yeah, so I'll go next and

2506
03:36:19,760 --> 03:36:27,740
I've been fighting cell phones and in Sanitus since 2004 and I've sat out there showing pictures of them

2507
03:36:27,740 --> 03:36:34,680
the health. We've gone through. I can't use that if we use that we actually put ourselves at a legal disadvantage.

2508
03:36:35,840 --> 03:36:40,240
But, but there's I have so many questions about this project in this policy.

2509
03:36:41,140 --> 03:36:43,920
First of all, we adopted, I don't even know when we adopted,

2510
03:36:44,400 --> 03:36:47,820
but it was sometime right after 2004, we adopted the wireless,

2511
03:36:48,240 --> 03:36:51,780
the cell phone ordinance 9.7 in our municipal code.

2512
03:36:51,780 --> 03:36:57,820
And then in 2019 we added outside of the code, a policy, and so what we're here tonight

2513
03:36:57,820 --> 03:37:04,700
doing is looking at that policy in that code and trying to apply it to a new form, a relatively new form,

2514
03:37:04,700 --> 03:37:08,680
2019 new form of small cell 5G data.

2515
03:37:09,420 --> 03:37:13,320
But I mean, first of all, you pick, you pick, we is not even here.

2516
03:37:14,020 --> 03:37:18,820
And I have so many questions for them what their plans are, how big it's going to be.

2517
03:37:18,820 --> 03:37:22,540
25 years for contract way too long.

2518
03:37:22,840 --> 03:37:28,640
This this co this technology will come and go will be on 10G 25 years from now.

2519
03:37:28,880 --> 03:37:33,100
So I'm not comfortable with that long of a contract.

2520
03:37:34,240 --> 03:37:37,740
They need to you pick we need to be available more importantly.

2521
03:37:38,000 --> 03:37:42,700
I think we have a fund and I also need to know the status of 10G which actually got

2522
03:37:42,700 --> 03:37:45,180
purchased by Crown Castle in 2011.

2523
03:37:45,180 --> 03:37:56,620
So we did it in 2006. I got bought there under a totally different company in name, and I need to know why are those 13 still out there active with essentially 5G.

2524
03:37:57,820 --> 03:38:00,040
Other questions are cameras permitted.

2525
03:38:00,380 --> 03:38:10,580
I would put that sensors and other services are not allowed on this platform without written permission in any license if we go that path.

2526
03:38:10,580 --> 03:38:14,800
Like I say, I have questions, questions, questions, I can't move forward with this.

2527
03:38:15,500 --> 03:38:22,420
I would, and I'll alter your, I'll, I'll, I'll, friendly amendment to to what, uh, oppose,

2528
03:38:22,720 --> 03:38:28,500
I think we table it and come back with, and I don't know whether it's in a month, two months,

2529
03:38:28,720 --> 03:38:34,240
or in the new year and bring it back then, because this is not an active contract right now.

2530
03:38:34,320 --> 03:38:39,260
And quite frankly, unless you pick, we, uh, shows us what, what interests they have and they,

2531
03:38:39,260 --> 03:38:44,800
show up for a meeting so they can answer questions, you know, I think I think staff needs

2532
03:38:44,800 --> 03:38:49,480
time to get answers to all the questions I just post and I'm sure there's probably

2533
03:38:49,480 --> 03:38:54,680
even more I haven't thought of and then bring it back at an appropriate time and that will

2534
03:38:54,680 --> 03:39:01,780
give the citizens enough time to look at all the different laws probably need to talk to a lawyer,

2535
03:39:01,920 --> 03:39:09,060
I tell a communication lawyer and I've done that in the past but I'm trying to think oh question

2536
03:39:09,060 --> 03:39:12,900
is and I think we do have a right to do this as a city.

2537
03:39:13,680 --> 03:39:16,500
We already have one vendor and they have used 13 polls.

2538
03:39:17,600 --> 03:39:22,860
I would put a maximum number of polls that they can use and that number may be 20.

2539
03:39:23,220 --> 03:39:23,780
Maybe 100.

2540
03:39:23,980 --> 03:39:24,480
I don't know.

2541
03:39:24,620 --> 03:39:28,440
I have no idea what you pick we want to do if we go forward.

2542
03:39:29,020 --> 03:39:33,320
Number two is we should be able to limit the number of vendors, much like we don't

2543
03:39:33,320 --> 03:39:37,400
allow any all cable companies to come in.

2544
03:39:37,540 --> 03:39:38,540
It's almost like a franchise.

2545
03:39:39,240 --> 03:39:43,780
So we ought to decide as a policy and update the current policy

2546
03:39:43,780 --> 03:39:50,000
and or code to limit the number of small cell vendors

2547
03:39:50,000 --> 03:39:51,320
that we license.

2548
03:39:51,460 --> 03:39:54,080
So that's another way to put a box around this.

2549
03:39:54,560 --> 03:39:55,540
So lots of questions.

2550
03:39:55,760 --> 03:39:56,400
I don't have the answer.

2551
03:39:56,620 --> 03:39:59,960
So I would table it until we can get a lot more answers here.

2552
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:13,260
On these questions, and that would be adding to your opposition, if you want to either second, what I just said, or I can second, if you agree with what I said, I'll make it as a friendly amendment.

2553
03:40:17,440 --> 03:40:18,320
Yeah, could

2554
03:40:20,400 --> 03:40:27,760
we just say no to this and then have a whole thing come back? We don't have to present something else. Why do we have to?

2555
03:40:27,760 --> 03:40:33,760
back at all. Yeah, the reason I'm going that route is having gone through with the

2556
03:40:33,760 --> 03:40:39,120
team ovals, the Verizon's, and quite a few, you know, dozens of planning commission

2557
03:40:39,120 --> 03:40:47,900
discussions in order for us to deny it, we'll have to make legal findings. If we were to

2558
03:40:47,900 --> 03:40:54,860
base legal findings on health, we would be in a very bad legal situation. So, right now, I

2559
03:40:54,860 --> 03:40:57,500
I think we just don't have enough information in front of us.

2560
03:40:57,560 --> 03:41:00,680
Hence, I'm going the table route and we'll bring it back.

2561
03:41:00,820 --> 03:41:04,460
And if we, at that point, we can consult with lawyers.

2562
03:41:05,100 --> 03:41:05,120
Yeah.

2563
03:41:05,120 --> 03:41:05,340
Okay.

2564
03:41:05,480 --> 03:41:05,900
Let's bring it back.

2565
03:41:05,920 --> 03:41:08,020
See what grounds, what findings we can make.

2566
03:41:08,120 --> 03:41:09,200
So that's why I'm going that route.

2567
03:41:09,280 --> 03:41:09,600
Got it.

2568
03:41:09,720 --> 03:41:11,280
Let's do it.

2569
03:41:11,560 --> 03:41:16,080
So I take that as a, is that a second of my motion, basically?

2570
03:41:17,660 --> 03:41:20,820
Or a my segment or I don't really care if as long as it gets done.

2571
03:41:22,360 --> 03:41:23,480
I made a friendly amendment.

2572
03:41:23,480 --> 03:41:26,420
I don't know how to hear it. You seconded correct or not?

2573
03:41:26,500 --> 03:41:28,360
Yes, yes, yes, yes.

2574
03:41:28,360 --> 03:41:30,020
Yes, and I'll accept the.

2575
03:41:30,020 --> 03:41:33,980
You're acceptable the item at this time.

2576
03:41:34,320 --> 03:41:40,400
And then get answers to all these questions about what is it?

2577
03:41:40,540 --> 03:41:43,040
You know, what do we want to do from a policy standpoint?

2578
03:41:43,520 --> 03:41:46,880
Do we want to limit at 25 years as too long?

2579
03:41:47,220 --> 03:41:50,800
I have so many questions and we don't have the people here that can answer it.

2580
03:41:50,800 --> 03:41:57,880
I'll just say a table about item at this time to address Council concerns raised at the meeting and to return it at a future date.

2581
03:41:58,340 --> 03:42:03,440
And then to continue on michael's, I think I want to do that first.

2582
03:42:04,340 --> 03:42:09,980
If staff then things would support a workshop, a public workshop on it.

2583
03:42:09,980 --> 03:42:16,800
We could bring it back to a public workshop, which is what I think Michael Schwabie suggested,

2584
03:42:18,040 --> 03:42:24,540
and then work through it there, and then bring it back to a dock based on, but I've got lots of questions.

2585
03:42:25,160 --> 03:42:30,140
One of order for a good point. So we got to do a quick little housekeeping.

2586
03:42:30,840 --> 03:42:34,280
Well, we have a motion of a second. Do we have much more discussion on it?

2587
03:42:35,320 --> 03:42:45,340
I'm just in the queue and really all I was going to say is I support that motion and I would like to make sure what they bring back is also a discussion on health issues.

2588
03:42:45,880 --> 03:42:59,140
I respect the opinion that we can't deny it based on that based on the legal sanding, but I also would like more information on the impacts to the city as far as ultimate construction.

2589
03:42:59,140 --> 03:43:10,080
And what the city of San Diego's experience was with us that appears to have been stated by one of our speakers.

2590
03:43:10,380 --> 03:43:13,420
I lost that one and then I'll yield.

2591
03:43:14,120 --> 03:43:18,900
And Councilmember San Antonio, if you can do it in a minute or less.

2592
03:43:19,600 --> 03:43:21,020
I would just want to have.

2593
03:43:22,000 --> 03:43:25,620
Can we just deny it if we think there's no need for it?

2594
03:43:26,860 --> 03:43:30,680
I based on my personal experience on the planning commission here,

2595
03:43:31,700 --> 03:43:36,380
we need to make some level of finding or like that we don't get in coverage.

2596
03:43:36,640 --> 03:43:37,540
Could be just that.

2597
03:43:37,840 --> 03:43:40,540
And that's basically part of the recommendation.

2598
03:43:40,740 --> 03:43:41,220
We'll come back.

2599
03:43:41,380 --> 03:43:43,300
We'll get legal advice and go from there.

2600
03:43:44,860 --> 03:43:49,300
So we're basically tabling it and taking it off calendar

2601
03:43:49,300 --> 03:43:54,680
and we'll bring it back to I think a public workshop is what I would recommend

2602
03:43:54,680 --> 03:43:56,830
in 2027, or we...

2603
03:43:59,060 --> 03:44:01,460
I didn't say that.

2604
03:44:05,840 --> 03:44:07,960
So anything else?

2605
03:44:08,520 --> 03:44:12,020
So we have motion second on the table and then we'll get to the...

2606
03:44:12,020 --> 03:44:12,980
So we'll call the question.

2607
03:44:14,580 --> 03:44:16,740
So this is basically to table it.

2608
03:44:18,600 --> 03:44:19,620
Motion carries unanimously.

2609
03:44:20,120 --> 03:44:20,440
Okay.

2610
03:44:21,140 --> 03:44:23,980
So now we need a motion to extend past Santa Clock.

2611
03:44:24,400 --> 03:44:25,820
Motion to extend to Santa Clock.

2612
03:44:25,820 --> 03:44:32,280
And it will pass 10 o'clock, but no absolutely no later than 12 or 11 30

2613
03:44:32,280 --> 03:44:39,280
Like absolutely no later. I was I'm waiting on the midnight 11 30 here. We have 11 30 here. We have a

2614
03:44:39,280 --> 03:44:47,640
Accept the amendment. Let's go 11 30 over here. Yeah, we have to booky. So 11 30 is the

2615
03:44:47,640 --> 03:44:49,100
Pollack question

2616
03:44:51,340 --> 03:44:56,160
And we appreciate the brevity, but so okay

2617
03:44:57,880 --> 03:44:59,700
So we'll get more answers.

2618
03:45:00,300 --> 03:45:07,680
So moving, we're going to move on. So we got to keep working. That brings us to item 8k.

2619
03:45:12,140 --> 03:45:15,720
Can we have one? And be sure to reach out to your council members.

2620
03:45:19,340 --> 03:45:26,800
And one speaker in 8k was removed by a member of the public. And that was Patty Stottelmire.

2621
03:45:27,480 --> 03:45:35,200
Okay. And this is a memorandum of understanding between the city of insidious and the insidious chamber of commerce for the retirement.

2622
03:45:35,200 --> 03:45:43,480
and Senior Expo to benefit the Anthony Discommunity and Recreation Service Manager Hammer.

2623
03:45:45,060 --> 03:45:47,960
Patty, Patty, are you, you pulled this?

2624
03:45:49,320 --> 03:45:52,080
Did you pull item 8K, the MOU?

2625
03:45:52,360 --> 03:45:52,560
Yes.

2626
03:45:52,680 --> 03:45:54,020
Do you need a staff report?

2627
03:45:55,280 --> 03:45:55,720
No.

2628
03:45:56,100 --> 03:45:56,460
Okay.

2629
03:45:57,140 --> 03:45:57,960
Then you have the floor.

2630
03:45:58,360 --> 03:45:58,820
Three minutes.

2631
03:46:00,200 --> 03:46:03,680
That's a lot of money and we don't need any more LED lights.

2632
03:46:06,000 --> 03:46:14,740
Rung one but then did I did I I said okay did you mean to pull did you pull eight L

2633
03:46:15,720 --> 03:46:16,240
Patty

2634
03:46:16,800 --> 03:46:25,120
Do you pull about the inside or what were you want to talk about the answer need a sign right and we already passed it

2635
03:46:25,460 --> 03:46:29,620
Oh, you passed that yeah, because we didn't know it was food. We didn't we had the wrong letter

2636
03:46:33,680 --> 03:46:41,300
With that I'll entertain a motion for eight K. I'm of approval. I've got a motion in the second

2637
03:46:41,300 --> 03:46:48,780
cookie. Let's call the question. I'm going to go

2638
03:46:52,970 --> 03:46:53,590
in vote.

2639
03:46:59,270 --> 03:46:59,870
Okay

2640
03:47:01,670 --> 03:47:06,090
And that was Ellen Burke. Do you need a staff report?

2641
03:47:07,250 --> 03:47:07,930
Okay?

2642
03:47:08,330 --> 03:47:11,050
8L is a glad or rent a title.

2643
03:47:12,230 --> 03:47:13,350
8L is a check.

2644
03:47:13,590 --> 03:47:17,170
It's an authorized agreement for death on sidewalk cleaning services.

2645
03:47:18,090 --> 03:47:18,890
It was okay.

2646
03:47:19,410 --> 03:47:20,150
It was okay.

2647
03:47:20,430 --> 03:47:21,050
It was nice and cheap.

2648
03:47:28,600 --> 03:47:31,560
I always told my kids nothing good happens after midnight.

2649
03:47:32,340 --> 03:47:32,720
So, Bill.

2650
03:47:35,000 --> 03:47:37,440
Great idea to clean the sidewalks.

2651
03:47:37,500 --> 03:47:40,260
I just had one question about that.

2652
03:47:40,260 --> 03:47:49,380
We have a lot of outdoor restaurant eating situations and I just wonder how their responsibility

2653
03:47:49,380 --> 03:47:58,500
for keeping their spaces clean on the sidewalk and the right way impacts this contract

2654
03:47:58,500 --> 03:48:04,460
or vice versa because I don't want to be paying more money because some guys making

2655
03:48:04,460 --> 03:48:11,380
more money, missing out food on the sidewalk. I'm supposed to be able to walk on. So I

2656
03:48:11,380 --> 03:48:19,360
want to make sure that we aren't paying my money to clean up their mess at a higher price.

2657
03:48:20,200 --> 03:48:26,500
So that would be my first question. Secondly, regarding the garbage cans, it's a minor thing,

2658
03:48:26,940 --> 03:48:34,380
but I take the cornish cutoff to go to vans all the time. And there's a series of garbage cans

2659
03:48:34,380 --> 03:48:39,780
This little map is only showing one at either end that they will be cleaning out.

2660
03:48:40,200 --> 03:48:44,600
I don't know, maybe the Enlightenment people put up their own garbage cans up there,

2661
03:48:44,740 --> 03:48:53,360
where everybody parks, they're all always overflowing, but as long as we're cleaning out garbage cans,

2662
03:48:53,540 --> 03:48:59,280
we should clean them all out and not just the ones on either end of the street.

2663
03:49:00,140 --> 03:49:04,360
So, please, don't spend my money if you don't have to.

2664
03:49:06,940 --> 03:49:10,760
one. Ellen, before you go, Cornish cut off, I

2665
03:49:10,760 --> 03:49:14,340
you lost me on your Cornish. You mean, going up,

2666
03:49:14,460 --> 03:49:17,280
but if you're on, if you're on the band of Lejo,

2667
03:49:17,640 --> 03:49:21,380
okay, there's a little cut off. So the map that we're

2668
03:49:21,380 --> 03:49:23,420
talking about here tonight doesn't go anywhere near

2669
03:49:23,420 --> 03:49:26,820
there, right? Oh, yeah, there's two down there. On

2670
03:49:26,820 --> 03:49:30,280
the map? For cleaning out the garbage cans? She

2671
03:49:30,280 --> 03:49:33,400
has to add those to the trash can remove or clean

2672
03:49:33,400 --> 03:49:35,760
Now, okay, I didn't realize those to be added.

2673
03:49:36,560 --> 03:49:37,800
No, no, there's, there's two.

2674
03:49:37,940 --> 03:49:38,780
They're on the map already.

2675
03:49:41,460 --> 03:49:42,920
At the South End and the North End.

2676
03:49:43,000 --> 03:49:45,100
I guess I was looking more at the power washing

2677
03:49:45,100 --> 03:49:46,280
and all being downtown.

2678
03:49:46,440 --> 03:49:49,080
No, that's, no, I talked about that first.

2679
03:49:49,580 --> 03:49:49,820
Okay.

2680
03:49:52,980 --> 03:49:55,820
That concludes speakers, then we did have Molly Hintley

2681
03:49:55,820 --> 03:49:57,600
on registering opposition, but did not

2682
03:49:57,600 --> 03:49:58,760
It was just me.

2683
03:49:59,620 --> 03:49:59,960
So I...

2684
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:07,400
I have council member over here. So I actually brought this attached attention, the exact thing you just brought up.

2685
03:50:07,980 --> 03:50:10,220
I believe

2686
03:50:13,200 --> 03:50:22,520
we will address this going forward as a council and look into the streets. At the same time, I think in this contract at the moment,

2687
03:50:23,900 --> 03:50:29,660
we need to make sure for drainage purposes for cleanliness purposes that the city,

2688
03:50:29,660 --> 03:50:37,280
that the city is responsible for cleaning the sidewalk to the standard that we want available for our residents rather than leaving it to private entities.

2689
03:50:40,200 --> 03:50:43,200
But I will say I don't think this is the last you've heard of this, of that point.

2690
03:50:44,080 --> 03:50:51,120
This is a subject that is going to come back to us downtown and so we will begin at that time when we visit that.

2691
03:50:51,220 --> 03:50:55,380
This may be that may be more appropriate discussion or input for that discussion.

2692
03:50:57,100 --> 03:51:15,360
And then I'll go, I had a couple of questions I talked to staff about, number one is there was the service was also in front of the fire station, which we don't use right now, so it's only segment and I think we got that corrected and it's not included.

2693
03:51:15,980 --> 03:51:22,000
I had a proposal tonight right now when I'm doing a lot of work down on 2nd Street talking

2694
03:51:22,000 --> 03:51:27,620
with people down there especially in the long and front of CRC and there's a lot of debris

2695
03:51:27,620 --> 03:51:31,260
from the fight histories and right now we're only doing 6 times a year and a cost of

2696
03:51:31,260 --> 03:51:37,500
about 5,000 dollars and I was wondering would it be a value to go to end of talk to property

2697
03:51:39,880 --> 03:51:48,220
to go to 12 times a year and add $5,000 to this contract and so I thought I'd propose

2698
03:51:48,220 --> 03:51:55,180
that if there was agreement on the council we could bump it tonight and increase the frequency

2699
03:51:55,180 --> 03:51:57,360
to every month.

2700
03:51:58,740 --> 03:52:01,760
And the complaint came from a couple of people I talked to down there.

2701
03:52:01,760 --> 03:52:06,240
They didn't bring it to me, but while I was down there there comment was how much the fruit

2702
03:52:06,240 --> 03:52:11,420
stains the the walk and how it's covered with stuff and they were actually worried about people slipping.

2703
03:52:12,120 --> 03:52:15,620
And I thought, you know, every time I'm down there, I see ficus dropping.

2704
03:52:15,720 --> 03:52:18,340
So Strees are beautiful, but they're huge.

2705
03:52:21,140 --> 03:52:22,840
So I got one nod, yes.

2706
03:52:23,300 --> 03:52:23,580
Okay.

2707
03:52:24,340 --> 03:52:35,020
So I would I would move approval with the addition to the contract to go up an additional 5,000.

2708
03:52:35,020 --> 03:52:40,720
was there. Yep. All right. So we talked about that. So yeah, it looks like it would go up in

2709
03:52:40,720 --> 03:52:50,220
additional 5,000 because it was 5,000 for this six times correct. Oh, it's got. We can actually pull

2710
03:52:50,220 --> 03:52:57,660
up a table that can that can depict the change in cost. Yeah. Did you do that? Yeah, because the other

2711
03:52:57,660 --> 03:53:05,000
part is to with the approval of a m tonight with the gateway sign. Part of the maintenance of the

2712
03:53:05,000 --> 03:53:11,560
it. So we can remove the gateway cleaning from this. And then if we go ahead and add the extra

2713
03:53:12,100 --> 03:53:18,400
tree, it actually only ends up, again, around $1200 there. But so we do want to make sure that we get

2714
03:53:18,400 --> 03:53:22,220
that authorization, though, from council, so that we don't have to come back with that.

2715
03:53:22,460 --> 03:53:25,860
Second. So that's exactly my motion. Thank you.

2716
03:53:27,660 --> 03:53:32,220
So with that, got a motion second. Any other comments? No, call the question.

2717
03:53:34,720 --> 03:53:36,900
motion carries unanimously.

2718
03:53:39,960 --> 03:53:44,640
And that takes us on to now we're going to go to 10c first.

2719
03:53:45,060 --> 03:53:52,880
Yep. Okay. So, sorry to keep you guys, you know, you're young, you don't need sleep.

2720
03:53:53,680 --> 03:53:55,100
We're just getting you ready for college.

2721
03:54:00,620 --> 03:54:03,480
College and maybe in one or two of your cases future

2722
03:54:05,120 --> 03:54:05,900
So

2723
03:54:11,270 --> 03:54:14,930
item 10, C, is

2724
03:54:17,750 --> 03:54:25,950
youth commission amendment recommendations for ordinance number 2025-09 and

2725
03:54:25,950 --> 03:54:30,250
contact person is recreation supervisor Camarina.

2726
03:54:33,460 --> 03:54:34,880
So start with the staff report.

2727
03:54:38,820 --> 03:54:45,040
We don't have a formal staff report other than what is written that the item that you had brought

2728
03:54:45,840 --> 03:54:50,860
to review whether you wanted to add alternates was taken back to the youth commission.

2729
03:54:52,080 --> 03:54:56,420
And they were given an opportunity to review and vote on that themselves.

2730
03:54:57,480 --> 03:54:59,960
Per the report they did not recommend.

2731
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:04,360
And that, but a few of them are here tonight to give some additional information.

2732
03:55:05,720 --> 03:55:16,710
Very good. So with that, we're doing this under public testimony. Are we having the speakers, yeah?

2733
03:55:16,710 --> 03:55:25,890
So we do have four Lola Hubbell, Dillon Yarbrow, Quake Kelly, and then Lars Wilkins.

2734
03:55:32,120 --> 03:55:35,560
Hi, I'm Lola Hubbell. I'm the Vice Chair of the Engineers Youth Commission.

2735
03:55:35,960 --> 03:55:40,340
First I'd just like to thank Mayor Euler's and the City Council for allowing us to have

2736
03:55:40,340 --> 03:55:46,240
a voice in this. We really appreciate you allowing us to represent the interests of our commission

2737
03:55:46,240 --> 03:55:51,660
before you tonight. Our September 3rd meeting, we voted unanimously with one

2738
03:55:51,660 --> 03:55:56,400
Commissioner abstaining to recommend that City Council not make the changes to the ordinance.

2739
03:55:57,380 --> 03:56:02,600
We believe that alternates would be more necessary if we had an overwhelming amount of applications.

2740
03:56:03,400 --> 03:56:07,680
But last year, we couldn't even fill all nine regular spots.

2741
03:56:08,140 --> 03:56:20,660
To give you some historical data, in 2022, we had 10 applications, 2023, we had 11, 2024, we had 13, and 2025, we had 8 in the regular round and 2 for the open spot.

2742
03:56:20,660 --> 03:56:27,840
Now, I believe that this would be a completely different situation if we had 15, 20 applications per year,

2743
03:56:28,720 --> 03:56:30,940
but the fact of the matter is we don't.

2744
03:56:31,320 --> 03:56:36,280
And while we appreciate the council's efforts to increase youth civic engagement and SNES,

2745
03:56:36,860 --> 03:56:39,660
we don't think adding alternatives is the wisest move right now.

2746
03:56:40,440 --> 03:56:46,140
In my opinion, we should, instead, direct these time and resources that we would spend recruiting

2747
03:56:46,140 --> 03:56:53,180
alternates advertising to expanding the reach of the youth commission, to going to local

2748
03:56:53,180 --> 03:56:58,180
schools, to making it so that we do eventually get to the point where we need to out of

2749
03:56:58,180 --> 03:57:03,020
alternates, because that is the goal where we're having so much interest that we need

2750
03:57:03,020 --> 03:57:09,940
alternates, but we don't have that right now. And Quaid will share later some positive ways

2751
03:57:09,940 --> 03:57:14,500
that youth can be involved in our city outside of the youth commission, because there are many

2752
03:57:14,500 --> 03:57:18,440
many more ways to serve your city other than being on an elected commission.

2753
03:57:19,380 --> 03:57:24,320
I'd also just like to mention that in the event that we do get alternate and that

2754
03:57:24,320 --> 03:57:29,380
ordinance passes, we are absolutely willing and ready to collaborate and work with the new

2755
03:57:29,380 --> 03:57:37,460
commissioners. Again, thank you so much for hearing our voices and I appreciate you allowing

2756
03:57:37,460 --> 03:57:43,100
us to have a voice and experience being at a city council meeting. Thank you so much.

2757
03:57:43,100 --> 03:57:44,200
Good

2758
03:57:57,030 --> 03:58:05,970
evening or I should say good night. Good evening Mayor Aler's city council members and city staff.

2759
03:58:06,310 --> 03:58:13,990
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak tonight and for all you and all your support in youth voices and incene this.

2760
03:58:14,890 --> 03:58:21,690
My name is Don Yarbrow and I'm currently a senior at San Guido Academy and I proud member of Incene this youth commission.

2761
03:58:22,390 --> 03:58:25,650
For me, being here tonight is more than just a role.

2762
03:58:26,370 --> 03:58:28,430
It's something I've looked forward to for years.

2763
03:58:29,510 --> 03:58:35,190
When I was younger, I used to hear my two older brothers talk about their experience on this commission.

2764
03:58:36,430 --> 03:58:40,850
About how they worked with the city, shared ideas, and made a real difference.

2765
03:58:41,750 --> 03:58:44,510
Listen to them, planted a spark in me early on.

2766
03:58:45,590 --> 03:58:48,190
In middle school, I knew I wanted to be part of that.

2767
03:58:48,190 --> 03:58:52,750
To represent the next generation and help make my community better.

2768
03:58:53,890 --> 03:58:58,370
So as soon as I got to high school, I applied for youth commission and got the climb.

2769
03:58:59,290 --> 03:59:02,250
I applied again the next year and got the climb again.

2770
03:59:02,910 --> 03:59:06,290
But every time the message I got back from city leaders was the same.

2771
03:59:06,710 --> 03:59:09,690
Don't give up your time will come.

2772
03:59:10,230 --> 03:59:13,110
So I kept building, learning and leading.

2773
03:59:13,910 --> 03:59:15,570
Through my time as ASP president,

2774
03:59:15,570 --> 03:59:22,070
their school and their community involvement until finally this year as a senior I

2775
03:59:22,070 --> 03:59:27,130
was honored to be appointed. Now standing here today I realize how much that

2776
03:59:27,130 --> 03:59:31,870
journey has taught me. It taught me that leadership isn't about titles, it's about

2777
03:59:31,870 --> 03:59:38,310
persistence, service, and the desire to create something meaningful. This past week I

2778
03:59:38,310 --> 03:59:43,250
was honored to receive the instantaneous rising star award from the instantaneous chamber

2779
03:59:43,250 --> 03:59:48,570
commerce. That moment met a lot to me, because it wasn't just about personal recognition,

2780
03:59:49,570 --> 03:59:54,650
it was about what it represented, that youth and its need is doing big things,

2781
03:59:55,190 --> 03:59:59,970
and our city believes in us. The youth commission gives students like me.

2782
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:14,180
The platform to listen and to lead. And it helps us turn our ideas into real change. And it helps the city hear directly from the youth who live here, learn here, and will one day lead here.

2783
04:00:15,180 --> 04:00:26,680
As we look toward the 2025-26 year, I'm excited to work with my peers and continue that legacy, building stronger connections between students and city leaders.

2784
04:00:27,540 --> 04:00:31,720
and helping make Incinitas a place where every young voice feels heard.

2785
04:00:32,520 --> 04:00:38,920
Thank you again for your time, your leadership, and for believing in the next generation of Incinitas.

2786
04:00:39,860 --> 04:00:40,360
Have a good night.

2787
04:00:47,590 --> 04:00:49,190
Well, this is given another hand, guys.

2788
04:00:49,450 --> 04:00:49,950
I'm sorry.

2789
04:00:51,850 --> 04:00:56,090
I got to be with these guys every once in a month, and I've learned so much from them.

2790
04:00:56,090 --> 04:01:01,630
It's so hard to follow them, but I figured I just mixed up in V.M.E.

2791
04:01:01,630 --> 04:01:08,170
So here's a quick demo, but one, the individual, every person matters and everyone brings

2792
04:01:08,170 --> 04:01:08,950
something unique.

2793
04:01:09,690 --> 04:01:15,770
Two, the community, our schools, neighbors, teams, and people that make up this incredible

2794
04:01:15,770 --> 04:01:21,330
piece of paradise, and three, the government, the structure that keeps us together and

2795
04:01:21,330 --> 04:01:22,290
adapts to serve.

2796
04:01:22,610 --> 04:01:25,850
So when we were working together, that's when the magic happens.

2797
04:01:26,150 --> 04:01:30,490
The rhythm, the synergy, the momentum, and honestly, that's what I'm all about.

2798
04:01:32,110 --> 04:01:36,110
I just want to thank you all so much for inviting the youth commission to make a recommendation

2799
04:01:36,910 --> 04:01:38,790
on the proposed municipal code.

2800
04:01:39,110 --> 04:01:42,350
It gave us a chance to look back at the history of the commission, which has been going on

2801
04:01:42,350 --> 04:01:49,150
since 1998 over the past 27 years, the number of commissioners has shifted six times from

2802
04:01:49,150 --> 04:01:51,910
nine members to a whopping 17.

2803
04:01:53,030 --> 04:01:58,090
In this case, it's not about the individual, it's about what is best for the existing commission

2804
04:01:58,090 --> 04:02:04,290
as a group. For 2025 to 2025 to 2026, I'm recommending we keep it at nine members no

2805
04:02:04,290 --> 04:02:09,010
alternates. We've really gotten inspirational group of suit leaders. I mean, another

2806
04:02:09,010 --> 04:02:15,730
hand for them. Just they're just an example of how incredible our commission is. And I think

2807
04:02:15,730 --> 04:02:20,570
our focus is expanding engagements across all ages. So this includes more volunteering,

2808
04:02:20,810 --> 04:02:25,810
most more cross-generational connections and more youth getting involved with the city we

2809
04:02:25,810 --> 04:02:32,210
all of. We invite members of the community to attend our meetings, but do not foresee any issues

2810
04:02:32,210 --> 04:02:38,630
with quorum or absentees. And we've really got a great thing going. Thank you so much for

2811
04:02:38,630 --> 04:02:44,730
your time and for supporting the next generation of insinuses leaders. Do we have any questions

2812
04:02:44,730 --> 04:02:52,750
we can answer for you today on this? Any questions will be directed at by share? We can bring you back

2813
04:02:52,750 --> 04:02:53,570
up if we do.

2814
04:02:56,220 --> 04:02:57,400
We have one more.

2815
04:03:03,530 --> 04:03:03,850
Good evening.

2816
04:03:03,970 --> 04:03:04,550
Council members.

2817
04:03:05,550 --> 04:03:06,930
Thank you for listening to me speak tonight.

2818
04:03:07,450 --> 04:03:11,090
This process has taken some time and being part of it has taught me a lot.

2819
04:03:11,710 --> 04:03:15,790
I have attended City Council on Youth Commission meetings to watch, listen, and learn.

2820
04:03:16,690 --> 04:03:20,230
You asked youth commissioners to share their feedback about having alternate joined

2821
04:03:20,230 --> 04:03:20,930
them.

2822
04:03:21,210 --> 04:03:25,650
Only two commissioners spoke, but everyone who voted voted against it.

2823
04:03:25,650 --> 04:03:30,430
Share Kelly mentioned my age as his reasoning and vice-chair Hubble said that nine seats were enough.

2824
04:03:31,290 --> 04:03:33,410
I'm asking you to still consider the amendment.

2825
04:03:34,390 --> 04:03:36,150
The proposal isn't about age.

2826
04:03:36,690 --> 04:03:39,610
The seats are opened to all students in grades 8 through 12,

2827
04:03:39,910 --> 04:03:43,570
in adding alternates when change that number of seats or votes on the commission.

2828
04:03:44,950 --> 04:03:47,730
See the addition of alternates as a form of mentorship.

2829
04:03:48,570 --> 04:03:53,690
A way to get more students involved in allowing them to learn the process before having a full seat at the table.

2830
04:03:53,690 --> 04:03:59,110
I'll admit, it's hard for me to keep pursuing this idea after the Youth Commission's recommendation.

2831
04:04:00,130 --> 04:04:01,870
But I truly believe it's a good one.

2832
04:04:02,830 --> 04:04:07,470
This year there are five new commissioners and three seniors who will be graduating next year.

2833
04:04:07,830 --> 04:04:16,330
Encouraging younger alternates would help bridge the gap between terms and continue the more important work that goes beyond one group's time of service.

2834
04:04:17,150 --> 04:04:26,270
Council members. I hope you'll see that this small change can make the youth commission more inclusive, more prepared, and more connected to our students in this city.

2835
04:04:26,830 --> 04:04:27,770
Thank you for your time.

2836
04:04:28,330 --> 04:04:28,350
Thank you.

2837
04:04:32,520 --> 04:04:33,520
That means it's speakers.

2838
04:04:36,180 --> 04:04:39,500
I guess I'm up first and boy, wow.

2839
04:04:40,040 --> 04:04:41,780
I think I'll for of you.

2840
04:04:41,880 --> 04:04:43,920
You know, I couldn't be proud of your parents.

2841
04:04:43,920 --> 04:04:50,400
So, you know, you guys all, and I think you're seeing an example of reasonable minds can disagree

2842
04:04:50,400 --> 04:04:56,320
And we're seeing that here and that's the way it works, that's the way that's what we're going through every day up here

2843
04:04:56,320 --> 04:04:59,960
So it's pretty cool and you guys are all so L

2844
04:05:02,780 --> 04:05:29,580
I would only ask Kelly where was the unicycle? I mean, come on. You know, so up your game next time. And thanks for staying late. I'm going to support doing nothing because I do think that there's that the history comes back to me. And I thought your point, I understand and keep applying the lesson you, your harbor or what's your first name? Dylan.

2845
04:05:29,580 --> 04:05:30,280
That's right.

2846
04:05:30,620 --> 04:05:35,860
The deal and learned of applied decline, applied decline, accepted.

2847
04:05:36,640 --> 04:05:42,800
That is one of the things I learned early on in probably high school of college and it

2848
04:05:42,800 --> 04:05:48,120
served me well so you know keep getting up and going back and keep applying.

2849
04:05:48,680 --> 04:05:53,360
That's how you succeed in life even more than smarts or anything else.

2850
04:05:53,840 --> 04:05:57,540
So I'm going to support the recommendation of the Youth Commission and I will recognize

2851
04:05:57,540 --> 04:05:59,360
Council Member O'erah.

2852
04:06:03,840 --> 04:06:05,380
What is the tough one?

2853
04:06:13,010 --> 04:06:18,370
I want to talk about the principle and I'm going to start off with our first

2854
04:06:18,370 --> 04:06:21,430
three speakers and our first three commissioners and thank you for showing up in

2855
04:06:21,430 --> 04:06:21,950
coming here today.

2856
04:06:22,030 --> 04:06:24,450
I want to point out there's only three out of eight of you here.

2857
04:06:27,810 --> 04:06:28,230
And

2858
04:06:30,630 --> 04:06:33,690
I think I'll sort of, I'll start off with you in the subal.

2859
04:06:35,390 --> 04:06:39,670
We couldn't fill the applications and now you're saying you want to turn away someone who actively

2860
04:06:39,670 --> 04:06:41,070
wants to participate.

2861
04:06:43,830 --> 04:06:45,070
It contradicts itself.

2862
04:06:45,730 --> 04:06:50,050
Expanding the requires resources, people are your best resource.

2863
04:06:50,510 --> 04:06:52,530
It's a huge lesson that the Commission teaches you, right?

2864
04:06:52,890 --> 04:06:57,830
I think that's such a big thing that you are resources for the city for your schools

2865
04:06:57,830 --> 04:06:59,590
and to be a better resource.

2866
04:07:00,270 --> 04:07:01,810
You want the best resource out there.

2867
04:07:01,810 --> 04:07:06,970
person that's willing and excited to participate. That's what all you are. That's why you're so

2868
04:07:06,970 --> 04:07:14,170
stellar at what you do. Lars, you yourself wanted to be on the commission in middle school.

2869
04:07:17,920 --> 04:07:17,980
Lars,

2870
04:07:18,380 --> 04:07:22,340
yeah, Lars, you said you wanted to be on the commission in middle school and you got declined and

2871
04:07:22,340 --> 04:07:23,000
you got declined.

2872
04:07:25,500 --> 04:07:29,580
Oh, I'm sorry, Dylan, I'm sorry. I apologize. I'm very sorry. I wrote

2873
04:07:29,580 --> 04:07:33,640
wrong thing about Dylan. You said you wanted to be on the commission in middle school and you

2874
04:07:33,640 --> 04:07:40,360
you got declined and you got declined and you got declined. That doesn't have to be everybody's experience.

2875
04:07:40,960 --> 04:07:45,820
I disagree with our mayor who thinks people need to keep coming back. People need to show that they want it.

2876
04:07:46,080 --> 04:07:49,740
They show that they want it by showing of every time the bell's wrong for them so far.

2877
04:07:51,480 --> 04:07:59,620
So I think you have to really careful to make sure I think you saw this tonight with all of the discussions we had that we have different experiences up here.

2878
04:08:00,860 --> 04:08:06,760
And what we all experienced to get here is very different roads.

2879
04:08:07,700 --> 04:08:10,680
That's really important. That's what makes this really, that's what makes us function.

2880
04:08:11,120 --> 04:08:15,500
That's what it made eight, was it eight D about the roundabout taken hour?

2881
04:08:15,900 --> 04:08:20,760
Yeah. But that's important. That's government. That's civic duty to do that.

2882
04:08:21,180 --> 04:08:28,440
And so to be careful whether it's in this arena or anywhere else to hold somebody to,

2883
04:08:28,440 --> 04:08:29,660
So this was my experience.

2884
04:08:31,320 --> 04:08:33,000
It won't serve you well.

2885
04:08:35,680 --> 04:08:36,740
Inqueda, I love the juggling.

2886
04:08:38,200 --> 04:08:39,020
I'll always impressed.

2887
04:08:40,860 --> 04:08:42,940
You said you get to be with this group

2888
04:08:42,940 --> 04:08:44,680
once a month of learn from them.

2889
04:08:46,100 --> 04:08:47,180
Exactly what you said to me.

2890
04:08:47,840 --> 04:08:49,300
We don't want to deny it from somebody else.

2891
04:08:49,820 --> 04:08:51,280
But what you want is an I somebody else to help you

2892
04:08:51,280 --> 04:08:54,280
to learn from amazing kids or young people.

2893
04:08:56,680 --> 04:08:58,240
And you said you wanted to get more volunteering

2894
04:08:58,240 --> 04:09:05,980
have more youth outreach. And here we are talking about denying somebody an opportunity to do all

2895
04:09:05,980 --> 04:09:08,600
of the things that you all three said were important.

2896
04:09:11,260 --> 04:09:14,320
It was also reported by staff that part of

2897
04:09:14,320 --> 04:09:20,880
the reason for the now was that the applicant was in eighth grade that we were considering. And this

2898
04:09:20,880 --> 04:09:26,040
that falls out of the scope of any discussion and probably staff should have let you know this commission

2899
04:09:26,040 --> 04:09:30,080
for youth seventh grade to 12th grade.

2900
04:09:32,260 --> 04:09:36,840
So that should have been taking care of. I

2901
04:09:36,840 --> 04:09:40,460
was like I care a lot about this commission and I know you guys doing amazing and

2902
04:09:40,460 --> 04:09:45,720
amazing job at it and we're proud of everything you do.

2903
04:09:47,960 --> 04:09:49,660
I'm going to make a quick

2904
04:09:50,120 --> 04:09:56,700
statement. We're going to the decision not to have an alternative, an alternate. I was in favor

2905
04:09:56,700 --> 04:09:58,880
on September, the Louis Vuitton number third or fifth.

2906
04:10:00,000 --> 04:10:06,560
Of an alternate when the Commission of Commission's appointment, alternate the Commission's appointment

2907
04:10:06,560 --> 04:10:13,040
or for one spot, and agreed with the council, grudgingly, I should agree with the council to offer

2908
04:10:13,040 --> 04:10:17,020
the Commission an opportunity to consider the role of an alternate to the youth commission.

2909
04:10:17,140 --> 04:10:23,720
And I said I would do it because I thought you would value the importance of inclusivity

2910
04:10:23,720 --> 04:10:24,880
not exclusivity.

2911
04:10:29,810 --> 04:10:33,050
It is your place to make a recommendation and a value that you took the

2912
04:10:33,050 --> 04:10:37,130
time to think of it. I value that you took the time to vocalize what you said into

2913
04:10:37,130 --> 04:10:41,590
come here and at any time you stand up with that that put in a matter of how come if we get

2914
04:10:41,590 --> 04:10:49,050
at your heart races. So I appreciate that. I will express that my hope for our youth commission

2915
04:10:49,050 --> 04:10:57,010
is that they're governed by a commitment to community, the community that we and they serve,

2916
04:10:57,270 --> 04:11:03,970
the community that we're all part of, that they foster youth participation and passion for civil

2917
04:11:03,970 --> 04:11:09,290
matters when there's an opportunity to engage in inspired citizens as young as 7th and 8th grade

2918
04:11:09,290 --> 04:11:18,830
in up to 12th grade. My hope today is that opportunity is seized. I want you as a commission to continue

2919
04:11:18,830 --> 04:11:37,890
And because of that, I recommend a second motion to, or a second motion to recommend that we discard the recommendation and we vote to have an alternate on this commission.

2920
04:11:39,330 --> 04:11:42,610
I would like to see point of clarification.

2921
04:11:42,850 --> 04:11:43,650
I didn't make a motion.

2922
04:11:43,650 --> 04:12:01,410
Okay, so that's my motion then and I would love, I mean, this is to me this is the opportunity for you guys to set the future this commission take this kid under your wing and and give him all the knowledge of if you've obtained and help help him take this commission where you've never dreamed or could go at that point

2923
04:12:01,410 --> 04:12:06,170
It's a stepping stone for this commission and I just look at it that way so that's my motion.

2924
04:12:06,850 --> 04:12:13,430
If I could just make one point of clarification, this is not about a specific individual because

2925
04:12:13,430 --> 04:12:19,010
when we give the council brings the ordinance, it does need to go back out for advertisement.

2926
04:12:19,690 --> 04:12:20,230
Yeah, I'm sorry.

2927
04:12:20,410 --> 04:12:24,490
I say that we, I just said to appoint an alternate, but, yes, sorry.

2928
04:12:24,490 --> 04:12:25,170
It's what I meant.

2929
04:12:25,490 --> 04:12:25,870
Yes.

2930
04:12:28,010 --> 04:12:33,250
And just to clarify too, if depending on what council does tonight, if council does want

2931
04:12:33,250 --> 04:12:37,430
to go ahead and do an alternate, we're going to have to take the municode back, so we'll

2932
04:12:37,430 --> 04:12:42,050
have to take that back, you know, introduction, adoption, and yeah, just want to make sure.

2933
04:12:45,440 --> 04:12:46,260
You'll thank you.

2934
04:12:46,260 --> 04:12:46,560
Okay.

2935
04:12:47,140 --> 04:12:48,020
Deputy Mayor Lines.

2936
04:12:49,060 --> 04:12:53,900
Well, you guys, I'll just brought up the life in the room with your presentations.

2937
04:12:54,820 --> 04:12:55,780
So, all four of you.

2938
04:12:55,860 --> 04:12:56,500
Thank you.

2939
04:12:57,240 --> 04:13:01,960
We asked you to consider this important decision.

2940
04:13:01,960 --> 04:13:08,560
And when I did that, I did it with the full intent of following your lead.

2941
04:13:09,160 --> 04:13:15,560
That was my opportunity to say, tell us your best here, give us your best, give us what

2942
04:13:15,560 --> 04:13:19,760
you, your rationale, be eloquent about it and you did all those things.

2943
04:13:20,480 --> 04:13:29,620
And so I appreciate that you've given it thought and you worked with your commission and you're

2944
04:13:29,620 --> 04:13:36,980
forward the recommendation and I want to hear more from the Youth Commission. So I hope you go from

2945
04:13:36,980 --> 04:13:46,140
strength to strengthen build over time and large you inspired me too. Holy cow, I look forward

2946
04:13:46,140 --> 04:13:54,260
to what you'll do here in the city in the future. No matter what, there was no like predetermined

2947
04:13:54,260 --> 04:14:00,300
that you would be on this as an alternate anyway as was just clarified, but I see that you

2948
04:14:00,300 --> 04:14:06,400
have a lot of potential and you're very eloquent about how you speak. So thank you for that.

2949
04:14:07,460 --> 04:14:13,140
Like I said, I want to embrace your decision making and I want to empower you on this.

2950
04:14:13,960 --> 04:14:21,200
And I appreciate the recommendation you put forward. And I haven't heard a second.

2951
04:14:22,120 --> 04:14:23,600
Did I hear a second?

2952
04:14:24,780 --> 04:14:24,840
No.

2953
04:14:25,720 --> 04:14:31,080
I would align with the mayor behind going with your recommendation that you brought forward

2954
04:14:31,080 --> 04:14:31,900
test tonight.

2955
04:14:33,240 --> 04:14:33,400
Okay.

2956
04:14:33,680 --> 04:14:35,060
Councilmember San Antonio.

2957
04:14:38,420 --> 04:14:38,600
Awesome.

2958
04:14:38,760 --> 04:14:39,200
Presentations.

2959
04:14:39,760 --> 04:14:41,720
I definitely remember lines is right.

2960
04:14:41,900 --> 04:14:43,480
I mean, you definitely hyped the room up.

2961
04:14:43,560 --> 04:14:44,560
I'm hyped up.

2962
04:14:44,780 --> 04:14:45,140
I'm stoked.

2963
04:14:46,040 --> 04:14:49,990
What I can tell you is that I, you know, I see the energy quite the way that when you

2964
04:14:49,990 --> 04:14:55,110
me juggling, brought that energy, got my attention right away, not that you two didn't,

2965
04:14:55,510 --> 04:14:58,090
but I, you got me, you hooked me.

2966
04:14:59,070 --> 04:14:59,970
But Laura's got up there.

2967
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:06,700
I see a very similar energy, and you might not have juggled, but I felt it. I felt the energy.

2968
04:15:07,320 --> 04:15:14,180
I feel like to what Council Member O'Harris said, this is a really great opportunity.

2969
04:15:15,340 --> 04:15:22,580
The mentorship portion to me is a big deal. When I was applying to be a firefighter, my road was hard.

2970
04:15:22,580 --> 04:15:25,440
It was lots of turn, lots of nose, lots of nose,

2971
04:15:26,520 --> 04:15:28,280
but that doesn't have to be everybody's roads.

2972
04:15:28,440 --> 04:15:29,040
Sometimes it's not.

2973
04:15:29,160 --> 04:15:30,660
Sometimes, guys get picked up right away.

2974
04:15:32,480 --> 04:15:34,040
It doesn't have to be everybody's story.

2975
04:15:37,180 --> 04:15:38,540
And I can appreciate the recommendation.

2976
04:15:39,600 --> 04:15:39,860
I do.

2977
04:15:40,120 --> 04:15:41,940
The staff brings us recommendations all the time,

2978
04:15:42,020 --> 04:15:43,920
and we don't always follow the recommendation.

2979
04:15:45,160 --> 04:15:47,120
And that's just life, I guess.

2980
04:15:47,240 --> 04:15:50,100
I mean, we make our own decisions up here,

2981
04:15:50,100 --> 04:15:56,540
we take our own experiences and we interject that and mix it all up and how come is the outcome.

2982
04:16:01,370 --> 04:16:06,770
I really did feel that the mentorship portion of this because without a mentor for myself,

2983
04:16:07,610 --> 04:16:13,410
I feel like I needed that. I needed somebody to help guide me. I needed somebody to help

2984
04:16:13,410 --> 04:16:18,550
to look up to, to guide me through some decisions and I know you guys are, I can see how

2985
04:16:18,550 --> 04:16:26,310
dynamic you guys are. And as an eighth grader, you've got somebody in a different school,

2986
04:16:27,390 --> 04:16:35,110
whether it's Lars or anybody else, a younger person, that's somebody that's going to bring

2987
04:16:35,110 --> 04:16:43,110
that enthusiasm to their school and to their peers and hopefully that brings more engagement for

2988
04:16:43,110 --> 04:16:56,050
the future. So there isn't low application. Turn in. But for me, I have to go against the recommendation.

2989
04:16:56,970 --> 04:17:01,510
I, I guess that I do appreciate what you all had to present. But I, I, I second,

2990
04:17:02,390 --> 04:17:04,490
Council Member Schafer's.

2991
04:17:04,550 --> 04:17:05,850
Oh, here. Sorry.

2992
04:17:06,750 --> 04:17:08,170
Let me go.

2993
04:17:08,710 --> 04:17:08,730
Yeah.

2994
04:17:09,570 --> 04:17:10,970
Mayor's not sitting down, but I'm next.

2995
04:17:12,990 --> 04:17:14,330
Yeah. Yeah.

2996
04:17:14,510 --> 04:17:16,750
The idea is direct.

2997
04:17:17,970 --> 04:17:19,530
I am going to go with the recommendation,

2998
04:17:19,850 --> 04:17:21,930
because we gave you as responsibility and for us to

2999
04:17:21,930 --> 04:17:22,630
say here in turn it.

3000
04:17:23,150 --> 04:17:24,110
I don't think it's appropriate.

3001
04:17:24,510 --> 04:17:25,590
I think you guys made the choice.

3002
04:17:26,050 --> 04:17:28,510
I will say I hope that you're listening to the

3003
04:17:29,110 --> 04:17:37,270
the conversation up here I hope future possibly hopefully future youth commissioners would

3004
04:17:37,270 --> 04:17:40,810
have this understanding and kind of take that direction I think as we grow the process

3005
04:17:40,810 --> 04:17:44,730
in the program I know that it's suffered over the last couple of years I think a part of that

3006
04:17:44,730 --> 04:17:50,650
may have been COVID we got up to 17 at one point so the help kind of feather that along to bring

3007
04:17:50,650 --> 04:17:56,030
somebody along would be appropriate at this point talking you know the city manager said for us

3008
04:17:56,030 --> 04:18:00,190
change the ordinance have a first reading a second reading will be on the other side of Christmas.

3009
04:18:01,430 --> 04:18:05,510
So at that point, it'll be more than likely this wouldn't happen until

3010
04:18:06,450 --> 04:18:10,950
realistically probably they'll February at the earliest. So the interesting thing is,

3011
04:18:11,050 --> 04:18:14,890
I think that being involved there's nothing stopping you from coming to the commission meetings

3012
04:18:14,890 --> 04:18:21,530
looking up and trying to build this from the nine people to hopefully someday that we get 2025

3013
04:18:21,530 --> 04:18:27,890
more applications and being able to use those applications to go further. So I'm not going to

3014
04:18:27,890 --> 04:18:33,090
go against your guys' decision because I think you've had your conversation and however

3015
04:18:33,090 --> 04:18:38,710
you guys chose to do that and we didn't give it to you to take it back, take it away. So that's

3016
04:18:38,710 --> 04:18:42,630
the burden of your own leadership and I just hope that there's a way to be the inclusive

3017
04:18:42,630 --> 04:18:49,850
and try to grow the program in the direction of better. And that's kind of in general

3018
04:18:49,850 --> 04:18:54,810
for everything. So I'm going to go with the recommendation tonight. So thank you.

3019
04:18:56,720 --> 04:18:59,760
I mean, just thought of either way. So we have a motion.

3020
04:19:00,420 --> 04:19:04,220
So we've got Councilmember O'Harris still wants to go.

3021
04:19:04,940 --> 04:19:09,690
Yeah, I just want

3022
04:19:19,220 --> 04:19:21,280
to have a time machine to go back and play C's

3023
04:19:21,280 --> 04:19:31,860
stronger emphasis on my allowance of one of you guys push it through last time.

3024
04:19:32,720 --> 04:19:39,460
So, but I don't have that, so, after look at part

3025
04:19:42,020 --> 04:19:59,260
of what we're supposed to do is guide and advise young people in these roles and guiding and advising them sometimes points out when they call out decision making.

3026
04:20:00,000 --> 04:20:03,840
That's not faced on

3027
04:20:07,040 --> 04:20:17,020
arguable comments. Staff will say that in the report that one of the reasons

3028
04:20:17,020 --> 04:20:23,180
that they did not want the alternate was, because in this case, they were concerned it would

3029
04:20:23,180 --> 04:20:25,240
be somebody in seven or eighth grade. Correct?

3030
04:20:28,500 --> 04:20:31,180
Yeah, one of the items prior to staff was clear

3031
04:20:31,180 --> 04:20:36,220
that the council's open, I mean the commission's open to middle school.

3032
04:20:37,300 --> 04:20:38,140
So, good.

3033
04:20:38,920 --> 04:20:40,220
But that was one of the reasons that was given.

3034
04:20:41,320 --> 04:20:45,820
It was one of the things that were brought up at the first meeting when you were first talking about alternates.

3035
04:20:46,040 --> 04:20:48,200
So that was a public comment that had come up.

3036
04:20:48,460 --> 04:20:50,020
So it was out there in the public.

3037
04:20:50,360 --> 04:20:53,660
It wasn't like the commission discussed it during their meeting.

3038
04:21:01,180 --> 04:21:03,580
That's different than what was reported to me in my meeting, my briefing.

3039
04:21:04,640 --> 04:21:05,140
I apologize.

3040
04:21:05,420 --> 04:21:11,900
I talked about that topic in the briefing that it had been out there, had been discussed.

3041
04:21:12,440 --> 04:21:14,240
I apologize if I made it specific.

3042
04:21:16,260 --> 04:21:20,300
I'll mention as well when you asked us what our opinions was.

3043
04:21:20,500 --> 04:21:22,320
I did say they were in high school students.

3044
04:21:22,780 --> 04:21:24,680
I wasn't representing them saying that.

3045
04:21:24,680 --> 04:21:26,640
was my representation of my perception

3046
04:21:26,640 --> 04:21:29,960
of perhaps that's why they were leaning towards that.

3047
04:21:30,200 --> 04:21:32,560
Now we're sitting here talking about it

3048
04:21:32,560 --> 04:21:34,180
and that being an issue, it would have been nice

3049
04:21:34,180 --> 04:21:35,400
to have been clear on that.

3050
04:21:38,240 --> 04:21:44,020
So, yeah, I think I'm in a yield.

3051
04:21:44,900 --> 04:21:47,000
I certainly want to,

3052
04:21:47,040 --> 04:21:48,160
when the next time the agenda comes up,

3053
04:21:48,160 --> 04:21:50,400
open the space up for alternates,

3054
04:21:51,120 --> 04:21:53,720
I believe inclusivity and not exclusivity

3055
04:21:53,720 --> 04:22:03,040
And I feel it's not going to be that's what this is, and I'm sad that rest of the council is not jumping on to make a decision on this.

3056
04:22:03,520 --> 04:22:07,500
That that supports that, but that's why we have five of us up here.

3057
04:22:07,680 --> 04:22:07,940
That's right.

3058
04:22:08,480 --> 04:22:13,880
And so what you're seeing is an example of where we disagree and we talk about it.

3059
04:22:14,200 --> 04:22:23,120
I look at it that we put faith in the current commission and you deliberated and you came back with a recommendation and I'm honoring that and I'm honoring

3060
04:22:23,120 --> 04:22:30,320
I think you did a good job, and welcome to a government, by the way, that's how this works.

3061
04:22:31,020 --> 04:22:38,080
So with that, I will call the question, and so we've got a motion on here to modify the

3062
04:22:39,460 --> 04:22:44,360
recommendation and add the alternate, and so, call the question,

3063
04:22:47,280 --> 04:22:49,460
and is to discard the

3064
04:22:49,460 --> 04:22:53,820
recommended action from the youth commission and then to direct staff to bring back

3065
04:22:53,820 --> 04:22:57,340
ordinance 2025-09 for consideration. Okay.

3066
04:23:04,680 --> 04:23:06,200
And the motion fails with

3067
04:23:06,200 --> 04:23:10,920
safer lines and ailer's voting no. And then in the interest of time I'll make a

3068
04:23:10,920 --> 04:23:15,460
motion to do staff recommendation, which is the youth commission recommendation.

3069
04:23:16,120 --> 04:23:19,820
I'll second. I got a second. And let's call the question.

3070
04:23:28,270 --> 04:23:32,350
And the motion carries with San Antonio a hair of voting no.

3071
04:23:34,530 --> 04:23:36,750
With that, thank you for staying so late everybody.

3072
04:23:37,210 --> 04:23:38,170
We appreciate it.

3073
04:23:38,550 --> 04:23:43,130
And look forward to good things out of the commission and out of the public to continue.

3074
04:23:44,250 --> 04:23:45,130
Oh, well, yeah, sorry.

3075
04:23:45,370 --> 04:23:46,910
Yeah, you can't leave yet.

3076
04:23:47,510 --> 04:23:55,470
So onto item 810D, which is the youth commission work plan outcomes for fiscal

3077
04:23:55,470 --> 04:24:00,790
So 20, 24, 25, and proposed work plan for fiscal year 25, 26,

3078
04:24:04,660 --> 04:24:05,360
and I don't know if we're

3079
04:24:05,360 --> 04:24:08,640
to is staff report coming from staff or from youth commission.

3080
04:24:11,410 --> 04:24:12,050
Youth commission.

3081
04:24:12,610 --> 04:24:13,750
Good evening again.

3082
04:24:14,590 --> 04:24:19,290
As the chair of the 20, 25, and 20, 26 incidents in the youth commission, I'm excited to

3083
04:24:19,290 --> 04:24:22,750
give you a quick update on our work plan and trust me.

3084
04:24:23,150 --> 04:24:23,790
It's busy.

3085
04:24:24,450 --> 04:24:28,330
Last year, we had chair, David Oshansky set the bar high.

3086
04:24:28,550 --> 04:24:33,130
He served four years in the health launch, awesome programs like Techie tutors, and STEM

3087
04:24:33,130 --> 04:24:33,970
library engagement.

3088
04:24:34,850 --> 04:24:36,450
Both are still going strong.

3089
04:24:36,970 --> 04:24:41,950
We had education and city processes work together to create updated by laws, which we are

3090
04:24:41,950 --> 04:24:43,770
excited to see approved soon.

3091
04:24:44,390 --> 04:24:49,070
One of my favorite moments was hearing from senior Rohan, Fadness, speak on environmental

3092
04:24:49,070 --> 04:24:51,230
stewardship in his nonprofit way zero.

3093
04:24:51,230 --> 04:24:59,970
After that meeting, I can explore the Rohan with city leaders, which led to a city partnership, which created the first ever TEDx in Sydney as Bull.

3094
04:25:00,000 --> 04:25:05,780
Over this past June at the Library. Another standout was the geo-caching project created by Commissioner

3095
04:25:05,780 --> 04:25:11,340
Czech Kinzelberg, which added an exciting engagement to the art night experience over 130 points

3096
04:25:11,340 --> 04:25:17,000
of interest were explored at 25 people completed the first full adventure during city art night,

3097
04:25:17,360 --> 04:25:23,000
pretty impressive stats for youth led in the youth led idea. It is now extended to other city events

3098
04:25:23,000 --> 04:25:30,240
like Slovenia. Building on that momentum, the 2025-2026 work plan is streamlined, bold, and ready

3099
04:25:30,240 --> 04:25:35,500
to make an impact. Our goal is yours to combine our skills, creativity, and authentic youth

3100
04:25:35,500 --> 04:25:41,180
voices to create positive, lasting change in the community. We're asking for approval of the

3101
04:25:41,180 --> 04:25:45,580
work plan so we can get started. Because if there's one thing this group knows how to do, it's

3102
04:25:45,580 --> 04:25:47,720
things done. Thank you.

3103
04:25:53,270 --> 04:25:56,170
Okay. Do we have Councilmember O'Hara?

3104
04:26:00,450 --> 04:26:05,650
I'm going to the work plan at this point. Yep. Okay. So first off, let me just check

3105
04:26:05,650 --> 04:26:12,670
one thing. Are there any public? Okay. Yes. So item number two, some I started to engage

3106
04:26:12,670 --> 04:26:17,450
the Youth Commission and the Senior Commission together with the Intergenerational Programming.

3107
04:26:17,890 --> 04:26:22,670
I'd like to add that to this list. Thanks a great project. I think they're going to crush

3108
04:26:22,670 --> 04:26:24,690
that really excited to see you coming,

3109
04:26:24,710 --> 04:26:27,110
but we've got the Youth Commission

3110
04:26:27,110 --> 04:26:29,070
and the Senior Commission working together

3111
04:26:30,250 --> 04:26:32,390
to create short videos that we will loop

3112
04:26:32,390 --> 04:26:33,510
at the beginning of Council meetings

3113
04:26:34,110 --> 04:26:37,190
three to four minute videos that will loop

3114
04:26:37,190 --> 04:26:40,390
that are updates in the city as far as upcoming events,

3115
04:26:40,950 --> 04:26:43,290
highlights, and holiday, prays, when it's coming up.

3116
04:26:43,690 --> 04:26:45,950
That will loop at the start of our Council meetings

3117
04:26:47,150 --> 04:26:49,290
as part of a sharing, what's going on in Cineatis,

3118
04:26:49,710 --> 04:26:51,870
and getting into some faces to see out there

3119
04:26:51,870 --> 04:26:56,050
besides our five mugs before the council meetings.

3120
04:26:56,630 --> 04:26:58,270
So I'd like to add that to number two.

3121
04:27:00,350 --> 04:27:04,690
And then number six, financial literacy.

3122
04:27:08,380 --> 04:27:11,980
I, and I think our confirmation that

3123
04:27:15,260 --> 04:27:17,920
they're looking, they're challenged by resources

3124
04:27:17,920 --> 04:27:21,020
kind of supports this for their own words.

3125
04:27:21,020 --> 04:27:28,180
So I think number six shouldn't necessarily be there as its own category.

3126
04:27:29,260 --> 04:27:41,160
I think we should move financial literacy speakers into one of the other categories, take

3127
04:27:41,160 --> 04:27:48,820
out of its own box and I believe city sports, new scholarships should be under civic youth

3128
04:27:48,820 --> 04:27:50,440
and community engagement.

3129
04:27:52,560 --> 04:27:54,540
So I'd like to kind of remove Box 6.

3130
04:27:55,500 --> 04:28:03,900
I don't think it makes sense to increase item numbers if resources is a challenge.

3131
04:28:04,880 --> 04:28:08,900
But if there are places we can stream those in to other boxes, I think that seems a little

3132
04:28:08,900 --> 04:28:09,320
more appropriate.

3133
04:28:10,020 --> 04:28:10,240
Yeah.

3134
04:28:10,260 --> 04:28:12,500
And where would you put the financial one?

3135
04:28:13,140 --> 04:28:17,100
Financial research, you could really talk about it, and so obviously the,

3136
04:28:19,120 --> 04:28:19,640
you could put

3137
04:28:19,640 --> 04:28:21,660
that under civic and community engagement.

3138
04:28:22,780 --> 04:28:27,760
And we talked about one of the reasons for this, I discussed my briefing was that financial

3139
04:28:27,760 --> 04:28:33,080
research speakers and events for students could be very broad.

3140
04:28:33,800 --> 04:28:41,980
And what do we want those to be, is it, for example, there, is it a book club, is it a bank

3141
04:28:41,980 --> 04:28:48,040
coming and talking about their how credit checking account works. It's a really broad topic.

3142
04:28:49,220 --> 04:28:54,440
And so I think fighting off that entire apple of what that means doesn't sound like they

3143
04:28:54,440 --> 04:28:59,980
have the reach and resources to do at the current time. But I think you could plan as part

3144
04:28:59,980 --> 04:29:04,320
of your civic engagement, civic engagement, when you could plan it in there. And then it takes

3145
04:29:04,320 --> 04:29:09,620
a little stress off this being as large of a box as anything else on there. There's a large

3146
04:29:09,620 --> 04:29:10,560
of a commitment

3147
04:29:15,940 --> 04:29:20,440
okay anything and and it sounds like you're putting both of them in number

3148
04:29:20,440 --> 04:29:27,520
in the first box and the under one is additional sub bullets yeah I mean I guess you yeah

3149
04:29:28,120 --> 04:29:33,640
that's why where I would put the second one which I think is really valuable opportunity yeah

3150
04:29:35,700 --> 04:29:46,110
anybody else any comments how about a motion I'm convert that approval motion with those

3151
04:29:46,630 --> 04:29:49,530
And actually, I'm really excited to see this kind of plan.

3152
04:29:49,630 --> 04:29:51,910
I think you guys are going to be a fantastic job.

3153
04:29:52,470 --> 04:29:55,730
Probably another project we have started already is going to be

3154
04:29:55,730 --> 04:29:56,910
getting busters.

3155
04:29:57,410 --> 04:29:59,970
I know the senior commission is excited, so we're already kind of...

3156
04:30:00,270 --> 04:30:03,690
Get in the work on this and I'm really excited to see them on, like often running.

3157
04:30:04,730 --> 04:30:09,790
And I would open it up to any youth commissioners whether you want to comment on the change.

3158
04:30:10,510 --> 04:30:16,530
It's more informed than it is an actual function because the bullets still exist. They're just in different categories.

3159
04:30:18,090 --> 04:30:23,270
So, yeah, I think representing the youth commission here, I can't obviously speak for them.

3160
04:30:23,270 --> 04:30:28,730
coming there very passionate about, project that, I mean, as a youth commission, our goals

3161
04:30:28,730 --> 04:30:33,690
to provide everyone the opportunity to work on their goals and aspirations and bring

3162
04:30:33,690 --> 04:30:34,790
something youth commission.

3163
04:30:35,630 --> 04:30:38,750
And I know this is something that a lot of people were interested in, but I also know that

3164
04:30:38,750 --> 04:30:44,170
consolidation was something that we have been trying to complete for the last two years.

3165
04:30:45,430 --> 04:30:53,030
And we went from nine goals to six right now, and I know we were hoping to continue that

3166
04:30:53,610 --> 04:30:59,630
solidation. So I do believe that the Commission would support financial literacy, specific

3167
04:30:59,630 --> 04:31:04,970
going under goal number one, civic and community engagement. And I think perhaps making that

3168
04:31:04,970 --> 04:31:09,050
a subcommittee within that civic and community engagement, but that I don't believe that needs

3169
04:31:09,050 --> 04:31:16,170
to be approved just necessarily that that isn't one of the goals it's just moved into a work

3170
04:31:16,170 --> 04:31:22,830
go out there. Would there be a way to just put financial literacy into the other five? Yes,

3171
04:31:22,870 --> 04:31:26,970
basically sitting down with you with Tom or somebody along the way and get whoever it is along

3172
04:31:26,970 --> 04:31:31,310
the way. But to get some financial understanding of each one of these projects and understanding

3173
04:31:31,310 --> 04:31:37,130
how these are funded and what, you know, everything coming into this. So your financial literacy

3174
04:31:37,130 --> 04:31:41,770
you might have a speaker, so you could add one bullet somewhere just to get an actual speaker in

3175
04:31:41,770 --> 04:31:51,490
And you get something of front, but this would be a way that a part of the process of the other five would actually just be getting the understanding of how the finances make this go.

3176
04:31:52,050 --> 04:31:53,490
That would be some financial literacy.

3177
04:31:53,730 --> 04:31:57,770
That sounds like a good idea, and I'll second it.

3178
04:31:59,130 --> 04:32:01,170
We have a motion.

3179
04:32:01,770 --> 04:32:02,810
I'll just remember here.

3180
04:32:04,050 --> 04:32:06,350
And I'm attempting to second the motion.

3181
04:32:07,150 --> 04:32:08,930
That's the way motion is second.

3182
04:32:10,170 --> 04:32:10,230
Sure.

3183
04:32:10,230 --> 04:32:21,190
Any other comments from other youth commissioners or, like I say, it's not a huge change anyways, but if you wanted to now it would be a good time to come up.

3184
04:32:24,080 --> 04:32:24,580
Hi again.

3185
04:32:25,580 --> 04:32:35,700
Councilmember O'Hare, I just wanted to clarify something that you said that you wanted to also consolidate intergenerational under civic and community engagement, or did I miss you or that?

3186
04:32:35,700 --> 04:32:41,080
So there's a project that's already beginning that I wanted to place under there because it's already in progress

3187
04:32:41,080 --> 04:32:45,000
and placing it there now will help it continue to move forward.

3188
04:32:45,420 --> 04:32:49,900
Great. Yeah. Perfect. Well, that was it. So thank you so much. Thank you.

3189
04:32:50,820 --> 04:33:01,800
So we've got a motion in a second. And I just wanted to clarify. I can't remember what was the current project was creating videos.

3190
04:33:01,800 --> 04:33:10,680
So, we are in a generational programming of three to four minute videos that will be running a loop prior to council meetings.

3191
04:33:11,680 --> 04:33:14,840
They'll be given the information by the city staff,

3192
04:33:16,040 --> 04:33:20,180
per the direction of the city manager and who she allocates for that.

3193
04:33:21,180 --> 04:33:23,240
And they'll be able to use specific view for that.

3194
04:33:23,420 --> 04:33:25,980
They'll be able to do honest reporting.

3195
04:33:25,980 --> 04:33:31,600
obviously the video will come back to, well, the sea manager will choose who comes back to for

3196
04:33:31,600 --> 04:33:37,620
review to make sure it can go up on the board before the meetings but then they'll play that and

3197
04:33:37,620 --> 04:33:41,220
it's just a really great project. I think it'll be a lot of fun and we're working

3198
04:33:41,220 --> 04:33:45,860
on our kind should be really, really cool to do. It's going to give people a chance to see the city

3199
04:33:45,860 --> 04:33:49,580
in a little bit different way rather than just come to a meeting and see the items on the agenda

3200
04:33:49,580 --> 04:33:54,260
but actually see like here or some people out in the city talking about the things that they do

3201
04:33:54,260 --> 04:34:02,360
the things we're excited about, the things that we offer and maybe hopefully feature a facility

3202
04:34:02,360 --> 04:34:05,600
that needs a little more featuring and more people know about it than it's already getting

3203
04:34:05,600 --> 04:34:10,560
in the process. So, it's driven into product, but that's what we're adding.

3204
04:34:11,240 --> 04:34:16,600
So, that's number two, and then on financial literacy, I just wanted to clarify, so it was to add

3205
04:34:16,600 --> 04:34:22,180
a financial literacy to all the items on the list, or was it just to add that under civic engagement.

3206
04:34:22,180 --> 04:34:27,720
Thank you so much.

3207
04:34:27,720 --> 04:34:27,840
Okay.

3208
04:34:28,200 --> 04:34:29,240
So, motion second.

3209
04:34:29,840 --> 04:34:30,560
Call the question.

3210
04:34:33,000 --> 04:34:34,200
Motion carries unanimously.

3211
04:34:34,680 --> 04:34:35,740
Very good.

3212
04:34:35,920 --> 04:34:38,760
That brings us to item 10A, which is Introduction of

3213
04:34:38,760 --> 04:34:41,240
Ordnance 2025-14,

3214
04:34:41,380 --> 04:34:43,560
Amending the Encinitas Municipal Code.

3215
04:34:44,380 --> 04:34:47,240
18.08.08.08.0.

3216
04:34:47,240 --> 04:34:49,560
Regarding sewer, service, charge,

3217
04:34:49,680 --> 04:34:52,700
calculations for customers with submeters.

3218
04:34:53,100 --> 04:34:53,860
Contact person and

3219
04:34:53,860 --> 04:34:55,200
the senior management,

3220
04:34:58,080 --> 04:34:59,960
strategic, strategic way.

3221
04:35:00,000 --> 04:35:07,260
It is getting late. I'm sorry. This is a public hearing, and so we will have the staff report given.

3222
04:35:08,000 --> 04:35:14,720
I will then ask council to disclose any other information. They have received that it's not included in the staff report,

3223
04:35:15,220 --> 04:35:18,860
and then we'll go to the preliminary questions before we open the public hearing.

3224
04:35:19,360 --> 04:35:21,720
So with that, we'll start with the staff report.

3225
04:35:23,060 --> 04:35:25,680
Good evening, again, Mayor Deputy Mayor Council.

3226
04:35:26,560 --> 04:35:29,700
I'm Jared Elmore, as you know, Ashley Strutakis was ill this evening

3227
04:35:29,700 --> 04:35:32,200
couldn't make it, so I'm batting cleanup for her.

3228
04:35:33,400 --> 04:35:35,740
But with that, we'll get going.

3229
04:35:37,120 --> 04:35:39,140
We're here tonight to consider an ordinance,

3230
04:35:39,780 --> 04:35:41,100
and so that's going to call for a hearing.

3231
04:35:41,320 --> 04:35:42,360
We'll open the hearing.

3232
04:35:43,800 --> 04:35:45,640
You'll take any public comment.

3233
04:35:46,100 --> 04:35:49,100
Close the hearing, take your action, and then we'll be on our way.

3234
04:35:49,100 --> 04:36:00,100
So this evening we're introducing an ordinance 2025-14, and we're making some very small revisions to the municipal code, or we're proposing some very small

3235
04:36:01,460 --> 04:36:04,560
Our revisions to the municipal code pardon me

3236
04:36:05,380 --> 04:36:17,540
There's a section of the first of all, this is supposed to the city hall, this is published in the coast news, and because we're taking the action on the code, not the rates themselves, there is no 2018 notification requirements, or in the clear of that

3237
04:36:19,800 --> 04:36:27,780
Section 1808.8O, Subsection A, calls out single-family residential customers in relationship

3238
04:36:27,780 --> 04:36:29,400
to our submetering program.

3239
04:36:30,500 --> 04:36:35,840
The city has a submetering program that allows folks who use profile of the sewer differs

3240
04:36:35,840 --> 04:36:40,800
significantly from their use profile of water, which is a complicated way of saying that

3241
04:36:40,800 --> 04:36:42,220
the out doesn't match the end.

3242
04:36:42,220 --> 04:36:46,200
So, this is typical of customers who have lots of irrigation.

3243
04:36:47,760 --> 04:36:49,320
There are other use cases, though.

3244
04:36:49,760 --> 04:36:52,360
So, because of the predominance of our sub-meter customers

3245
04:36:52,360 --> 04:36:55,060
or residential, this language entered the code,

3246
04:36:55,740 --> 04:36:57,560
perhaps not the best place.

3247
04:36:58,300 --> 04:37:00,520
It was our understanding that the intent of council

3248
04:37:00,520 --> 04:37:02,120
was to make the sub-meter program available

3249
04:37:02,120 --> 04:37:04,080
to whomever wish to apply.

3250
04:37:05,040 --> 04:37:06,860
And so, we're proposing some revisions.

3251
04:37:07,360 --> 04:37:10,440
We've consulted council, and I think that this is probably

3252
04:37:10,440 --> 04:37:15,960
the best course for the city to take, in order to relieve any ambiguity, eliminate that, so it's

3253
04:37:15,960 --> 04:37:20,160
clear to everybody in the city that's submetering program is available to them. Regardless of

3254
04:37:20,160 --> 04:37:28,520
which type, which classes of customer they are in our sewer program. So the language here as it is right

3255
04:37:28,520 --> 04:37:34,000
now is on your screen and then what we're going to propose is that you strike single family residential

3256
04:37:34,000 --> 04:37:39,400
from the section that we noted there and move that whole block of text down to the bottom of the

3257
04:37:39,940 --> 04:37:45,460
So it's clear that it applies to all of the classes of customers that are mentioned above it in the code.

3258
04:37:46,180 --> 04:37:53,720
So with that, staff, or I'm sorry, Council will pass the wall back to you and you can entertain discussion in the question.

3259
04:37:54,040 --> 04:37:59,780
Okay, we'll start down at the far end. Do we have any disclosures? Nothing to disclose.

3260
04:38:01,220 --> 04:38:03,200
Nothing to disclose. Nothing to disclose.

3261
04:38:03,360 --> 04:38:04,540
Nothing to disclose.

3262
04:38:04,540 --> 04:38:10,720
close and do we have any preliminary questions? We have no preliminary questions. Do we have

3263
04:38:10,720 --> 04:38:20,240
public speakers? I will open the public hearing. We have no closing public hearing. Council

3264
04:38:20,240 --> 04:38:29,100
action and discussion? Can I have a motion? Motion. I got a motion in a second. Any discussion?

3265
04:38:29,100 --> 04:38:30,680
I don't see any, call the question.

3266
04:38:42,200 --> 04:38:48,660
Very good. We will move on to item 10B, which is introduction

3267
04:38:48,660 --> 04:38:57,040
of ordinance, 2025-12, approving a sewer reimbursement district on behalf of property owner

3268
04:38:57,040 --> 04:39:04,640
to Varus and adding section 18.12.470 to the ins and the municipal code, contact person

3269
04:39:04,640 --> 04:39:10,840
the senior engineer is a leaky, and this is not a public meeting, correct?

3270
04:39:10,940 --> 04:39:15,240
I don't need to go, this is just an ordinance, okay.

3271
04:39:16,980 --> 04:39:21,240
So with that, we will start with a staff report.

3272
04:39:37,680 --> 04:39:38,000
Good evening.

3273
04:39:38,680 --> 04:39:42,480
Mayor, deputy, mayor, council members, and members of the public.

3274
04:39:42,880 --> 04:39:46,500
My name is Eric Zilke, senior engineer in the land development division.

3275
04:39:46,500 --> 04:39:59,960
This evening, I'll be presenting on the introduction of ordinance number 2025-12, which establishes a sewer reimbursement district, essentially a mechanism for a property owner.

3276
04:40:00,000 --> 04:40:07,060
Who funded a public sewer extension to recover a proportional share of costs from future users.

3277
04:40:09,880 --> 04:40:16,900
So in May 2022, the city issued a permit for Mr. Pedro Tavarras for construction of a new

3278
04:40:16,900 --> 04:40:23,860
single-family home at 252 Rancho Santa Fe Road. As a condition of approval, he was required

3279
04:40:23,860 --> 04:40:29,040
to extend the public sewer main from Rancho Santa Fe Road to serve his new home.

3280
04:40:31,310 --> 04:40:37,050
The incidentous municipal code authorizes the city council to establish a sewer reimbursement

3281
04:40:37,050 --> 04:40:43,130
district whenever a private property owner installs a public sewer main that could also benefit

3282
04:40:43,130 --> 04:40:48,710
neighboring properties. Establishing a district provides the framework to impose a special fee

3283
04:40:48,710 --> 04:40:54,210
on any parcels that later connect. The proposed district that we are discussing tonight applies

3284
04:40:54,210 --> 04:41:00,770
to the new public sewer main located along Ransal Santa Fe Road in 11Hane shown here on the map.

3285
04:41:01,310 --> 04:41:07,470
Construction began in July 2023, and the property owner, Mr. Pedro Tavarris, funded and

3286
04:41:07,470 --> 04:41:13,290
builds approximately 345 linear feet of new eight-inch public sewer main.

3287
04:41:14,090 --> 04:41:20,270
The project established an extension of public sewer service to four adjacent parcels.

3288
04:41:20,850 --> 04:41:25,330
One is the applicant's property, which is already connected, and then three neighboring

3289
04:41:25,330 --> 04:41:28,270
parcels are now eligible for a future connection.

3290
04:41:28,270 --> 04:41:34,350
All other nearby parcels are either already served by the city's sewer system or covered

3291
04:41:34,350 --> 04:41:38,310
under a different reimbursement district, so they are not a part of this one.

3292
04:41:41,150 --> 04:41:47,650
After Mr. Tavuras completed the sewer construction in 2024, city engineering staff reviewed

3293
04:41:47,650 --> 04:41:51,770
the contractors' invoices to verify the total cost of the public improvements.

3294
04:41:51,770 --> 04:41:57,670
The verified construction costs for the public portion of the work was determined to be

3295
04:41:57,670 --> 04:42:02,630
$156,787 and 67 cents.

3296
04:42:03,370 --> 04:42:07,530
It's important to note that the private work was excluded from the reimbursement calculation.

3297
04:42:08,090 --> 04:42:13,690
The 4-inch private sewer lateral that serves the Tavores home was considered a private

3298
04:42:13,690 --> 04:42:18,370
connection and therefore not eligible for cost recovery under the municipal code.

3299
04:42:18,370 --> 04:42:24,630
only the publicly dedicated main line was used to establish the reimbursement amount.

3300
04:42:25,530 --> 04:42:31,950
When the total public cost is divided by the four equivalent dwelling units or EDUs,

3301
04:42:33,950 --> 04:42:39,730
the proportional cost came out to 39,196 dollars in 92 cents per EDU.

3302
04:42:39,730 --> 04:42:47,550
The applicant's proportion, one EDU, was deducted, leaving a gross reimbursement amount of roughly

3303
04:42:47,550 --> 04:42:52,090
117,590 dollars in 75 cents.

3304
04:42:53,010 --> 04:43:00,070
After subtracting the $250 admin fee for each of the three potential future connections,

3305
04:43:00,510 --> 04:43:08,510
the net reimbursement amount is 116,840 dollars in 75 cents, which represents the maximum

3306
04:43:08,510 --> 04:43:14,830
the applicant could recover over the 20 year life of the agreement plus the 6% annual

3307
04:43:14,830 --> 04:43:16,070
civil interest.

3308
04:43:17,490 --> 04:43:21,810
In practice, any of the three neighboring parcels that connect to this public sewer

3309
04:43:21,810 --> 04:43:28,410
extension in the future will be required to pay the roughly $39,000 of reimbursement fee

3310
04:43:28,410 --> 04:43:31,470
plus the 6% annual civil interest.

3311
04:43:33,620 --> 04:43:38,620
per the reimbursement agreement attached to the staff

3312
04:43:38,620 --> 04:43:42,060
report, Mr. Pedro Tavrs will receive the reimbursement

3313
04:43:42,060 --> 04:43:45,880
assessment fee, proportional to his contribution to the total

3314
04:43:45,880 --> 04:43:50,060
construction costs, which in this case is 100% of the roughly

3315
04:43:50,060 --> 04:43:54,520
$39,000, because no other property owner contributed to the

3316
04:43:54,520 --> 04:43:58,780
construction costs. Payments are collected at the time of the

3317
04:43:58,780 --> 04:44:03,040
new sewer connection when the new sewer connection is made and

3318
04:44:03,040 --> 04:44:07,860
distributed semi-annually by CARDF, sanitary division, admin staff.

3319
04:44:10,740 --> 04:44:17,020
So in conclusion, staff recommends the introduction of ordinance number 2025-12 to provide

3320
04:44:17,020 --> 04:44:22,200
for reimbursement for construction costs of a new sewer main extension on Rancho Santa

3321
04:44:22,200 --> 04:44:22,600
Fay Road.

3322
04:44:23,320 --> 04:44:28,900
This action simply authorizes the reimbursement framework, and it does not commit the city

3323
04:44:28,900 --> 04:44:29,600
to any funding.

3324
04:44:29,600 --> 04:44:33,780
And so, at this time, I didn't know I'd like to ask if there's any questions.

3325
04:44:34,840 --> 04:44:35,540
Any questions?

3326
04:44:38,560 --> 04:44:39,360
There'd be mirror lines.

3327
04:44:39,740 --> 04:44:41,040
I don't have any questions.

3328
04:44:41,440 --> 04:44:45,160
If there aren't any public speakers, I'd like to move a approval of recommended action.

3329
04:44:46,200 --> 04:44:46,940
Do we have public?

3330
04:44:48,120 --> 04:44:48,480
Okay.

3331
04:44:49,740 --> 04:44:50,540
So, second.

3332
04:44:51,420 --> 04:44:53,320
I've got the motion in a second.

3333
04:44:53,960 --> 04:44:57,460
I think Council Member Schaefer got that just under the wire.

3334
04:44:57,460 --> 04:44:59,580
So...

3335
04:45:00,530 --> 04:45:09,530
Yeah, I don't have any questions to you. This is very standard. I've been done many, many times, especially on a leave-in-hine. So, call the question.

3336
04:45:15,620 --> 04:45:30,860
Excellent. That brings us on to item 11. Information item. Tonight we have one informational item, which is the Institute's Habitat Stewardship Program and you will update.

3337
04:45:31,880 --> 04:45:35,800
And, Park Operations Manager, North Guard, you've got the floor.

3338
04:45:48,060 --> 04:45:51,760
And just because you have a half hour, doesn't mean you have to take the whole half hour.

3339
04:45:52,540 --> 04:45:55,100
Just going to say, thank you, Mayor.

3340
04:45:55,600 --> 04:45:59,660
Deputy Mayor, members of the Council, I have a quick 90-minute presentation for you.

3341
04:45:59,900 --> 04:46:00,540
Very good.

3342
04:46:03,350 --> 04:46:06,230
As mentioned, my name is Dave Norregard, I'm the Park Operations Manager.

3343
04:46:06,670 --> 04:46:12,290
I'm here this evening with Jade Wall, Project Manager from Recon and Environmental, to give

3344
04:46:12,290 --> 04:46:15,210
to be an annual update on the SNES Habitat Stewardship Program.

3345
04:46:17,130 --> 04:46:22,110
I'll go over a very brief overview of the history of the program.

3346
04:46:22,250 --> 04:46:26,190
The work that's been completed, our maintenance monitoring, and our next steps.

3347
04:46:27,970 --> 04:46:32,810
Importantly, the goal of the SNES Habitat Stewardship Program is to address basic property management

3348
04:46:32,810 --> 04:46:36,270
and stewardship on City On Property, which contains sensitive habitat.

3349
04:46:36,570 --> 04:46:39,670
There are five main categories within the Habitat Stewardship Program.

3350
04:46:39,670 --> 04:46:44,150
It's invasive plant control and removal, trash and encampment removal,

3351
04:46:44,610 --> 04:46:47,950
vence against signage, erosion control, and fire abatement.

3352
04:46:51,260 --> 04:46:56,640
For history, in 2009, staff presented the sub-area plan and open space management plan,

3353
04:46:57,020 --> 04:47:01,860
in 2010, City Council adopted the early MHCP implementation program,

3354
04:47:02,040 --> 04:47:04,520
which is now the Engineers Habitat Stewardship Program.

3355
04:47:05,460 --> 04:47:08,840
In 2014, an RFP was released for the initial site assessment,

3356
04:47:08,840 --> 04:47:13,080
which outlined really what the Anthony's habitat stewardship program would accomplish.

3357
04:47:13,960 --> 04:47:20,360
In 2015, the draft initial assessment was submitted to council in 2019, that assessment was

3358
04:47:20,360 --> 04:47:26,140
accepted by council. In November of 2019, an RFQ was released for journal services and

3359
04:47:26,140 --> 04:47:31,720
maintenance to implement the program. In 2020, council approved a contract with the San Diego

3360
04:47:31,720 --> 04:47:36,840
Botanic Garden for the first portion of implementing habitat stewardship program.

3361
04:47:38,400 --> 04:47:47,820
In February of 2022, we amended the contract with the Botanic Garden to add more time to the initial contract to account for some COVID-related delays.

3362
04:47:48,940 --> 04:47:58,940
In 2023, we amended the contract with amendment number two, which added scope for a new area, which became, which is drainage area B or the moonlight parcel.

3363
04:47:59,840 --> 04:48:05,800
In 2023, we advertised an RFQ for environmental project management services, and in 2024,

3364
04:48:06,120 --> 04:48:10,880
Council will approve that contract with a recon-environmental for as needed project management

3365
04:48:10,880 --> 04:48:16,120
and environmental services to provide specialized oversight, qualitative monitoring, biological

3366
04:48:16,120 --> 04:48:17,400
and permitting expertise.

3367
04:48:18,380 --> 04:48:23,280
And in June 2024, amendment 3 was added to the Garden scope for Oak Crest Park.

3368
04:48:25,680 --> 04:48:30,620
As a general overview over the last year, the Botanic Garden has dedicated more than

3369
04:48:30,620 --> 04:48:33,780
and 766 hours of staff and volunteer time

3370
04:48:33,780 --> 04:48:35,360
towards the Habitat Stewardship Program.

3371
04:48:35,880 --> 04:48:38,180
They've hosted more than 23 volunteer events,

3372
04:48:38,180 --> 04:48:40,380
including our local schools and community groups

3373
04:48:40,380 --> 04:48:42,880
to help supplement the restoration activities.

3374
04:48:43,880 --> 04:48:47,360
Volunteer efforts have removed a total of 81 cubic yards

3375
04:48:47,360 --> 04:48:49,520
of non-native biomass this year.

3376
04:48:49,760 --> 04:48:51,120
Invasive plants are removed,

3377
04:48:51,260 --> 04:48:53,320
and native plants are installed to limit erosion

3378
04:48:53,320 --> 04:48:55,020
and reestablish native habitats.

3379
04:48:56,040 --> 04:48:59,220
The garden installed approximately 950 plants this year.

3380
04:48:59,220 --> 04:49:04,800
All of the plants are sourced from local populations within insinutes and grown by the garden.

3381
04:49:05,500 --> 04:49:08,100
I'll provide a little bit more detail on each of these sites.

3382
04:49:16,280 --> 04:49:19,200
Accompanied Creek Park Unimproved, which was our first site.

3383
04:49:19,480 --> 04:49:25,520
The Botanic Garden has continued to build up on prior year efforts, including native plant maintenance and invasive plant removals.

3384
04:49:26,140 --> 04:49:33,200
55 container plants were installed along with 200-nuddle oak scrub acorns directly sewed into the site.

3385
04:49:33,200 --> 04:49:42,420
Navy plant species are beginning to recruit new individuals in the absence of invasive, invasive, non-native plants, indicating self-sustaining native plant populations.

3386
04:49:43,120 --> 04:49:47,700
Native plant species are now the dominant plant type across most areas that have been weeded and planted.

3387
04:49:49,340 --> 04:49:57,040
The habitat stewardship program has established approximately one acre of suitable habitat for the coastal California Natcatcher within Cottonwood Creek Park.

3388
04:50:03,250 --> 04:50:16,650
At drainage areas, A&C within Cottonwood Creek, at least Bell's Bureau, have been observed, and Excel, and the garden have conducted invasive plant species removal, removal of trash, and debris throughout the site.

3389
04:50:20,540 --> 04:50:29,640
At Cottonwood Creek, drainage area B, or again the moonlight parcel, the garden and Excel landscape have focused on invasive plant control, erosion control, trash and debris removal and restoration.

3390
04:50:29,640 --> 04:50:36,040
The garden is stalled over 550 plants in the area that was previously occupied by the

3391
04:50:36,040 --> 04:50:37,780
Canary Island date palm stand.

3392
04:50:38,380 --> 04:50:42,860
We had some pretty heavy erosion there as well, which they've helped to fix.

3393
04:50:43,560 --> 04:50:48,900
A total of 20 invasive plant removal events were conducted by the garden, Excel landscaping

3394
04:50:48,900 --> 04:50:51,920
also installed fiber rolls to help with some of the erosion.

3395
04:50:53,240 --> 04:50:58,080
At that site, we've already created a quarter of an acre of pollinator habitat within

3396
04:50:58,080 --> 04:51:06,500
drainage through container plantings and seeds, not native species removals, have allowed native

3397
04:51:06,500 --> 04:51:10,620
vegetation to recolonize areas that have been previously dominated by invasives.

3398
04:51:13,520 --> 04:51:18,420
Ocrest Park work is focused on rare plant preservation strategies, access control, and overall

3399
04:51:18,420 --> 04:51:23,900
habitat improvement. The NCDD is backrest as a federally listed threatened and state listed

3400
04:51:23,900 --> 04:51:29,360
as endangered, while the Dell-Marm NCDD is federally listed as endangered. We've installed

3401
04:51:29,360 --> 04:51:36,280
of control, BMPs such as gravel bags to reduce erosion throughout the trail. We've also installed

3402
04:51:36,280 --> 04:51:42,600
additional fencing around the back risk and installed roughly 880 linear feet of additional fencing

3403
04:51:42,600 --> 04:51:48,660
throughout the parcel to deter on authorized access through this area. The garden spalled 140 container

3404
04:51:48,660 --> 04:51:52,700
plants and removed another 17 cubic yards of invasive biomass.

3405
04:51:56,720 --> 04:51:58,180
Implementation activities at

3406
04:51:58,180 --> 04:52:00,660
and he wrote were completed during the summer of 25.

3407
04:52:01,500 --> 04:52:03,440
A Coastal California Nat Catcher was heard

3408
04:52:03,440 --> 04:52:05,020
within the Saxony Road parcel.

3409
04:52:05,820 --> 04:52:09,000
Botanic garden removed 22 cubic yards of invasive biomass

3410
04:52:09,000 --> 04:52:11,280
and walked the site to remove trash and debris

3411
04:52:11,280 --> 04:52:12,320
that was present.

3412
04:52:12,920 --> 04:52:14,440
Recon has worked closely with the city

3413
04:52:14,440 --> 04:52:16,660
and the garden to develop a phased approach

3414
04:52:16,660 --> 04:52:19,540
for Saxony Rose Road for restoration activities.

3415
04:52:20,620 --> 04:52:22,020
I'll hand it over to Jade with Recon

3416
04:52:22,020 --> 04:52:24,080
and Environmental for an overview of their services.

3417
04:52:27,210 --> 04:52:27,470
Hello.

3418
04:52:28,230 --> 04:52:30,050
As David mentioned, my name is Jade Ball.

3419
04:52:30,050 --> 04:52:32,570
I'm a Restoration Project Manager with Recon Environmental.

3420
04:52:34,310 --> 04:52:37,730
First off, I just want to say thank you for the opportunity to be here to highlight the work

3421
04:52:37,730 --> 04:52:42,750
that we've been doing under the Habitat Stewardship Program, where the HSP, we've really enjoyed

3422
04:52:42,750 --> 04:52:46,890
working on this contract and having the opportunity to collaborate with the city of insamitas,

3423
04:52:47,370 --> 04:52:49,010
as well as the San Diego Botanic Garden.

3424
04:52:49,690 --> 04:52:54,350
So over the past year, we've focused on integrating stronger project management tools and structured

3425
04:52:54,350 --> 04:52:56,150
monitoring into the HSP.

3426
04:52:56,150 --> 04:53:03,610
We now conduct by annual monitoring once in January and again in June, and this is to help guide management priorities.

3427
04:53:04,470 --> 04:53:10,170
The January monitoring happens after winter rains, and that's when we can identify areas needing non-native species control.

3428
04:53:10,430 --> 04:53:18,650
And then our June monitoring helps plan summer and fall activities like erosion and access control, fire, baitmen, or restoration efforts, such as seeding and planting.

3429
04:53:18,650 --> 04:53:27,710
These two check-ins help us stay proactive in strategic throughout the year, and we also use data collection tools like wild note in ArcGIS field maps, which I'll highlight on a later slide.

3430
04:53:28,410 --> 04:53:36,090
We've also been expanding monitoring into new open space areas or the areas that are going to be next up on our HSP actively managed parcels.

3431
04:53:36,430 --> 04:53:45,070
And we're updating those baseline surveys so that the maintenance contractors have a clear understanding of what expectations are for each of those sites.

3432
04:53:45,070 --> 04:53:56,550
In addition, we've strengthened partnerships with groups like the Cottonwood Creek Conservancy and we're working closely with David and the city to explore grant opportunities that can support a future program growth.

3433
04:53:57,970 --> 04:53:59,790
We have also implemented, oh, sorry.

3434
04:54:00,550 --> 04:54:01,490
Too long with us.

3435
04:54:02,830 --> 04:54:06,410
We've also implemented two key planning documents that keep the program organized.

3436
04:54:06,590 --> 04:54:11,830
Firsts are annual work plan, so this outlines proposed activities for the years, signs responsibilities,

3437
04:54:11,830 --> 04:54:14,950
and helps make sure everyone's aligned on their priorities.

3438
04:54:15,690 --> 04:54:19,770
Second is the annual report, so we completed our first annual report in August,

3439
04:54:19,910 --> 04:54:22,950
and this summarizes everything that we accomplished during the year,

3440
04:54:23,010 --> 04:54:25,690
and also provides recommendations for that next fiscal year.

3441
04:54:26,330 --> 04:54:30,330
Lastly, we've prepared the scope of work for Indian Head Canyon implementation activities,

3442
04:54:30,610 --> 04:54:34,190
and once that's finalized, we will begin coordinating the kickoff meeting

3443
04:54:34,190 --> 04:54:39,350
to help schedule and coordinate those implementation activities for fiscal year 26.

3444
04:54:41,980 --> 04:54:47,160
As I mentioned on the previous slide, to support monitoring, we used two main digital tools.

3445
04:54:47,540 --> 04:54:52,240
We're using wild note, and this is a cloud-based customizable platform for field data collection.

3446
04:54:52,800 --> 04:54:56,480
This lets us record notes, photos, and recommendations while we're in the field,

3447
04:54:56,660 --> 04:54:59,800
and then it also produces a very clear PDF that we can share with the city.

3448
04:55:00,900 --> 04:55:10,160
We also use ArcGIS field maps, which is a mobile mapping application that reconuses to capture real time spatial data directly in the field.

3449
04:55:10,760 --> 04:55:20,760
So together, we use these tools to generate PDF forms and figures that can clearly show where management actions are needed, as well as record management actions that have also been completed.

3450
04:55:22,680 --> 04:55:26,580
So, these two figures are a great example of the figures that we can create using that

3451
04:55:27,220 --> 04:55:29,320
ArcGIS field data that we collect in the field.

3452
04:55:29,980 --> 04:55:33,880
So, the figure that you're looking at now is actually what we included in our annual report

3453
04:55:33,880 --> 04:55:39,000
and it's showing the O-Crest Park and the Institute of Senior Center parcel of the HSP.

3454
04:55:39,320 --> 04:55:43,020
And this is highlighting the work that was completed during fiscal year 25.

3455
04:55:43,500 --> 04:55:48,040
So, as you can see, we did fence installation and these are things that David highlighted earlier in his slide.

3456
04:55:48,040 --> 04:55:58,720
We also did some invasive species removal, active restoration, erosion control, and all of that is guided based off of those monitoring efforts that we do throughout the year.

3457
04:55:59,880 --> 04:56:04,100
So overall these updates have provided structure monitoring, data tools, and clear reporting.

3458
04:56:04,620 --> 04:56:11,180
And I think has brought a peer project management resources and collaboration among the team for the HSP.

3459
04:56:11,560 --> 04:56:16,340
So if you have any questions, please feel free to ask at the end of the presentation, but I'm going to hand it back over to David,

3460
04:56:16,340 --> 04:56:18,360
who will highlight some of the city's accomplishments

3461
04:56:18,360 --> 04:56:20,100
and next steps for the program.

3462
04:56:21,720 --> 04:56:22,060
Thank you, Jade.

3463
04:56:22,440 --> 04:56:24,940
Lastly, a quick look at progress at staff level.

3464
04:56:25,700 --> 04:56:28,680
In October 2024, we released RFQ

3465
04:56:28,680 --> 04:56:31,180
for General Services Maintenance.

3466
04:56:31,200 --> 04:56:34,160
So this is actually a new contract that we let out.

3467
04:56:34,380 --> 04:56:36,040
The original contract for the Botanic Garden

3468
04:56:36,040 --> 04:56:37,300
had reached the end of its life.

3469
04:56:37,480 --> 04:56:39,560
So we had re-advertised another one.

3470
04:56:39,640 --> 04:56:41,840
They were subsequently rehired as the bus qualified.

3471
04:56:42,700 --> 04:56:45,020
In February of this year, Council approved the contract

3472
04:56:45,020 --> 04:56:49,600
of the garden. We've established quarterly meetings with the Cottonwood Creek Conservancy.

3473
04:56:49,920 --> 04:56:55,620
We walk the site a recorder with city staff, reconvire mental, and both our contractors.

3474
04:56:56,440 --> 04:57:00,960
And we've updated our website to add a page to educate folks on the Habitat Stewardship

3475
04:57:00,960 --> 04:57:01,540
Program.

3476
04:57:04,380 --> 04:57:09,300
Staff and Reconveils have been working to develop a grant for Indian Head Canyon.

3477
04:57:09,660 --> 04:57:13,840
We've met with wildlife conservation board. They have a rolling grant that's not tied

3478
04:57:13,840 --> 04:57:18,900
of a specific date, so we've been working with them to understand what grants are attractive

3479
04:57:18,900 --> 04:57:21,160
to them and what scope that we have that could work.

3480
04:57:21,600 --> 04:57:26,180
On this slide, it highlights the yellow and green areas that show some potential areas where

3481
04:57:26,180 --> 04:57:28,460
we could do some restoration and enhancement.

3482
04:57:29,740 --> 04:57:34,260
Currently we're thinking that this grant could possibly be approximately $300,000.

3483
04:57:34,860 --> 04:57:40,580
The board has indicated that it would require a grant, or a grant management, potentially

3484
04:57:40,580 --> 04:57:42,480
down to 20% to be competitive.

3485
04:57:43,160 --> 04:57:45,260
We'll continue to develop that scope

3486
04:57:45,260 --> 04:57:47,960
and return to City Council for future authorization

3487
04:57:47,960 --> 04:57:48,700
to apply.

3488
04:57:51,830 --> 04:57:55,890
Lastly, for next steps, we're preparing a scope of work

3489
04:57:55,890 --> 04:57:57,710
as Jade said for Indian Head Canyon

3490
04:57:57,710 --> 04:57:59,550
based on updated baseline surveys.

3491
04:57:59,850 --> 04:58:01,630
We anticipate returning to Council this year

3492
04:58:01,630 --> 04:58:03,130
to approve that contract amendment

3493
04:58:03,130 --> 04:58:05,510
and subsequently begin implementation.

3494
04:58:06,430 --> 04:58:08,190
Maintenances on going in each of the sites

3495
04:58:08,190 --> 04:58:11,110
that we've discussed and updated qualitative monitoring

3496
04:58:11,110 --> 04:58:17,330
will occur in the spring and update in the annual report as we mentioned before, and that concludes

3497
04:58:17,330 --> 04:58:18,070
our presentation.

3498
04:58:18,410 --> 04:58:19,430
We're available for questions.

3499
04:58:20,990 --> 04:58:21,610
Any questions?

3500
04:58:23,030 --> 04:58:26,890
Yeah, I think I love it, I mean, I just love it.

3501
04:58:27,370 --> 04:58:35,950
So I can tell you that there are private lands similar, similarly impacted, and I got to

3502
04:58:35,950 --> 04:58:41,830
were one out on the edge of a leave-in-hine where the homeowner's association owns ten acres

3503
04:58:41,830 --> 04:58:47,650
and they came in and they absolutely obliterated as a fuel modification disturbed the dirt.

3504
04:58:47,910 --> 04:58:54,390
It's going to have weeds after this rain and I see where we're going with this habit habitat

3505
04:58:54,390 --> 04:59:03,010
stewardship program and I think that business model will spread beyond public and I think private

3506
04:59:03,010 --> 04:59:06,570
homeowner associations will get into the same

3507
04:59:06,570 --> 04:59:09,610
same realm, you know, and I saw a bad example

3508
04:59:10,650 --> 04:59:13,990
just a few weeks ago when hiking back there with one of the

3509
04:59:13,990 --> 04:59:15,510
homeless association people.

3510
04:59:17,030 --> 04:59:19,590
Right, you know, I'm so proud of this program.

3511
04:59:20,070 --> 04:59:24,010
We're going from strength to strength and even now you're

3512
04:59:24,010 --> 04:59:25,250
beginning to get in a position.

3513
04:59:25,510 --> 04:59:28,770
You've got your your feet under you and you're applying for

3514
04:59:28,770 --> 04:59:29,370
some grants.

3515
04:59:30,150 --> 04:59:32,990
So I look forward to where the possibilities will lead us

3516
04:59:32,990 --> 04:59:45,290
in the future. I think that when we were able to bring recon on that we really did get a needed service

3517
04:59:45,290 --> 04:59:51,710
as far as measuring and monitoring, because that's where we learn what of we achieved and then

3518
04:59:51,710 --> 04:59:59,170
you know, and we iteratively adjust that as we go along. So not to delay this as the last item,

3519
04:59:59,170 --> 04:59:59,950
but I

3520
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:29,980
I do want to say that I think we're at a point where the city council in the future should look at what other open space properties do we have in our city. Maybe once we've added sense, this plan was first brought forward and approved and I'll be continues to talk to our city manager about the best way to move forward. We're seeing if we can bring some other city open space into this stewardship program and make sure we do the best to do.

3521
05:00:30,000 --> 05:00:36,600
we can for having quality open space ecology and that would be a great thing to talk about

3522
05:00:36,600 --> 05:00:43,180
when we get into a goal setting session early next year so not too many months. So with

3523
05:00:43,180 --> 05:00:49,580
that we appreciate the report. I think we will move on now to item 12. We don't have any

3524
05:00:49,580 --> 05:00:58,260
council initiated items. 13 council member reports pursuant to AB 1 2 3 4 start with

3525
05:00:58,900 --> 05:01:04,880
I attended a Sandag meeting, I guess this would be a great time to say that Sandag award

3526
05:01:04,880 --> 05:01:14,220
at the city $104,000 for from the public beach impact mitigation fund to augment the design

3527
05:01:14,220 --> 05:01:17,740
and construction for the costs of the staircase at Swamis.

3528
05:01:19,780 --> 05:01:21,440
Let's see, I also attended the

3529
05:01:21,440 --> 05:01:26,060
San Diego Community Power Meeting. We are currently recruiting for a representative for

3530
05:01:26,060 --> 05:01:32,160
me advisory committee here in Encenius. They do a variety of different things and advise the board

3531
05:01:32,160 --> 05:01:39,460
and engage in public conversation, support net 10 community outreach events, provide monthly reports

3532
05:01:39,460 --> 05:01:46,260
and share info to the community regarding rates, a bunch of other things, but we're currently

3533
05:01:46,260 --> 05:01:53,200
looking for an Encenius representative. So that's all I have. Council Member Schafer.

3534
05:01:53,200 --> 05:02:19,520
And I attended the Regional Solid Waste meeting last Thursday and there's a number of new bills that have been pushed down for Regional Solid Waste and those will be implemented here in the next year or two years depending on the direction, but all in good hands we are taking over the financial requirement of that for the next about what I think about five years is kind of the average that we're going into.

3535
05:02:23,200 --> 05:02:27,360
I remember Oera at the end of last week despite being on a podcast and

3536
05:02:27,360 --> 05:02:29,040
despite traveling around the state.

3537
05:02:29,260 --> 05:02:33,860
I saw Gavin Newsom sign 800 bills in the law, including SB 79.

3538
05:02:34,320 --> 05:02:36,260
I hope we wake up as a state.

3539
05:02:37,800 --> 05:02:40,400
You know, Deputy Mayor Lines.

3540
05:02:41,080 --> 05:02:46,480
I attended the San Diego County Water Authority board meeting two weeks ago.

3541
05:02:47,340 --> 05:02:52,640
And then this morning I attended the and seeing an wastewater authority meeting for the

3542
05:02:52,640 --> 05:02:54,900
capital improvement committee.

3543
05:02:55,660 --> 05:02:59,200
Okay, and going back before the San Day Board meeting

3544
05:02:59,200 --> 05:03:02,020
that Council Member San Antonio attended,

3545
05:03:02,020 --> 05:03:06,020
I attended the September 26th San Day Board.

3546
05:03:07,280 --> 05:03:08,660
A very project update,

3547
05:03:08,680 --> 05:03:13,220
including the OTI Mesa Port of Entry East Project,

3548
05:03:13,660 --> 05:03:18,740
and then an update on the draft 2025 regional plan.

3549
05:03:18,820 --> 05:03:20,780
That's out there right now being reviewed.

3550
05:03:22,900 --> 05:03:30,660
also attended the October 3rd policy meeting for the regional planning policy group that fed

3551
05:03:30,660 --> 05:03:37,280
into the decision that Council Member San Antonio talked about.

3552
05:03:37,660 --> 05:03:45,020
And then the third item I did was yesterday I attended the and seeing a wastewater policy

3553
05:03:45,020 --> 05:03:50,560
finance committee where we discussed and approved changes to real estate policies mostly

3554
05:03:50,560 --> 05:03:56,300
applicable to the quote unquote south parcel which is a large vacant parcel immediately

3555
05:03:56,300 --> 05:04:04,840
it's part of the main campus and because we've come to the conclusion that using it for recycled

3556
05:04:04,840 --> 05:04:12,920
water is probably 10 to 15 years, maybe even 20 years out, we're going to look at ways to increase

3557
05:04:12,920 --> 05:04:18,420
revenue generation off of that without dedicating it. In other words it's trying to maximize

3558
05:04:18,420 --> 05:04:22,080
because any revenue we generate lowers our fees.

3559
05:04:23,200 --> 05:04:25,200
With that, we'll go to city manager report.

3560
05:04:25,780 --> 05:04:30,360
I just want to give a big welcome to our new deputy city manager.

3561
05:04:30,660 --> 05:04:32,260
Mike James, who has stayed for the whole meeting.

3562
05:04:32,460 --> 05:04:33,440
He's in the back.

3563
05:04:33,960 --> 05:04:34,780
Mike joins us.

3564
05:04:34,940 --> 05:04:37,660
He was the assistant city manager in the city of Pismo Beach.

3565
05:04:38,440 --> 05:04:40,380
Mike also was an officer in the army.

3566
05:04:40,880 --> 05:04:43,060
And he worked in cities such as San Diego,

3567
05:04:43,320 --> 05:04:44,460
Lemon Grove and Elcahone.

3568
05:04:44,720 --> 05:04:45,460
So we're very excited.

3569
05:04:45,780 --> 05:04:46,940
Mike joined us on Monday.

3570
05:04:46,940 --> 05:04:51,800
we're excited to have them as part of the team and it's nice to say that our entire

3571
05:04:51,800 --> 05:04:56,200
executive team here now in the city events and it has been filled so just warm welcome

3572
05:04:56,200 --> 05:04:59,960
to Mike thanks for hanging in there till this late so thank you very much.

3573
05:05:00,050 --> 05:05:17,330
Okay, and city attorney reports. No, no, no, no, no, no, no report. City clerk report. And we will tell welcome Mike and tell him that we're getting done early tonight, by the way. So, with that note, Alla Germ.