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[0:01] If we could come to order, when the clerk tells me we're ready, we're ready. Okay, we're rolling. So, if I can get your attention up here, and we'll come to order.
[0:16] Thank you. Very good. First step is roll call. If the clerk will call.
[0:22] Councilmember San Antonio.
[0:24] Present.
[0:24] Councilmember Schaefer.
[0:26] Councilmember O'Hara.
[0:28] Deputy Mayor Lines.
[0:29] Here.
[0:30] Record will show that all members of the City Council are present this evening.
[0:34] Okay.
[0:34] Item three is the pledge of allegiance.
[0:36] If you can rise, please rise and join me in the pledge of allegiance.
[0:40] Ready?
[0:41] Again.
[0:42] I'd like to thank you.
[0:43] I'd like to thank you.
[0:45] I'd like to thank you.
[0:46] I'd like to thank you.
[0:46] And to the Republic for which it stands.
[1:04] The first one is presentation of the Proclamation for Red Ribbon Week, and then followed by the Quarterly Sheriff's Update and the Quarterly Fire Department update. So we'll start with Proclamation for Red Ribbon Week.
[1:28] Thank you. Can everybody hear me? And if Nancy, if you could come up, Nancy Logan is going to help me up here.
[1:36] Do you want to hold these? You want me to hold them?
[1:38] Or actually, when I hold them, you explain, we're going to start out with a little explanation of what Reb had read. Red, Reb in week.
[1:48] That's always a tongue twister. Anyway, thank you everyone. I am Nancy Logan,
[1:53] I was saying to get a alliance for drug for youth,
[1:55] and we partner with the school district,
[1:58] and the city on Red Ribbon Week every year.
[2:01] Does everyone know what Red Ribbon Week is?
[2:04] Sometimes they don't.
[2:05] Don't I get any yes from everyone?
[2:07] No, no, no.
[2:09] This is wonderful.
[2:12] You don't know?
[2:13] I'll tell you.
[2:15] Uh, in 1985, a DEA agent in Rica, Camarina,
[2:22] was kidnapped by the drug cartel, and tortured and murdered,
[2:30] and he was from Imperial Valley.
[2:33] And his family all rallied around, and they wore red ribbons around their arms in support
[2:41] of him and to, you know, build a world against alcohol drugs, and in those days, President
[2:49] Reagan was our president and he got on board and now ever since then throughout the entire
[2:56] country, Red Ribbon Week is celebrated in support of the healthy drug free lifestyle and it's
[3:04] nationwide and we call it celebrate because we like to see people living a healthy lifestyle.
[3:15] Okay, and yeah, and so I'm not going to put you through listening to about 10 or 11 times
[3:22] whatever it is.
[3:23] So the same proclamation for each of the schools but we're going to bring up a representative
[3:28] from at least one from each school and first go through presenting them to each school.
[3:35] So did you want to announce,
[3:38] I was going to read it at the end.
[3:39] Let's say everybody's up here.
[3:41] Yeah.
[3:41] Okay.
[3:41] That's good.
[3:42] So.
[3:42] Okay.
[3:44] So.
[3:44] We have to wait.
[3:46] What we will do is I have representatives from many, many of the schools, not everyone could
[3:53] make it.
[3:54] I will call the school and then students if you want to come up and say your name and what
[4:00] grade you in when I call your school and then you can shake hands with the mayor and he'll give
[4:05] you a proclamation.
[4:08] Okay.
[4:08] San Diego Academy High School,
[4:20] Lacoste Canyon High School.
[4:25] Yes.
[4:26] We're in there.
[4:27] You always have to have a group picture.
[4:32] I just tell you what.
[4:37] Stand up here.
[4:39] Oh, two of you, very good.
[4:40] Okay, I just have to tell you kudos about these three young women.
[4:45] For the past month and ongoing,
[4:49] I have many, many, many seniors from Lacoste Canyon in San Diego Academy.
[4:54] They are visiting elementary schools and they speak to fifth and sixth grade.
[5:00] legislators in an assembly about their good choice to have never used alcohol tobacco or drugs.
[5:07] And these kids and many others are visiting the elementary schools.
[5:19] Thank you.
[5:21] Thank you.
[5:21] Did you get any new middle school?
[5:26] My name is Fisher Nelson. I'm in seventh grade.
[5:29] My name is Morty Mason. I'm in seventh grade.
[5:32] El
[5:36] Camino Creek Elementary
[5:47] Capri Elementary
[6:05] Paulic Ecentral
[6:14] Park
[6:19] Delaine Elementary
[6:22] Joseph and I'm in sixth grade my name is Amila and I'm in fourth grade
[6:30] I'm in Pioneer Elementary
[6:32] name
[6:37] is Jack Masina and I'm in sixth grade
[6:40] My name is Luke Masina and I'm in fourth grade.
[6:49] We've cost a height elementary
[6:51] My
[6:57] name is Alex and I'm in sixth grade
[7:00] My name is Jackson. I'm in sixth grade.
[7:05] We have one more
[7:08] Come on up,
[7:15] ECC
[7:23] with that I need one of these to read. So what we'll do is we'll read and then I'm going to
[7:29] bring the rest of the council down. We'll get a picture. We'll probably have to squeeze in a little bit.
[7:35] So ready? You guys ready? Yeah. Proclamation, Red Ribbon Week. Whereas alcohol and drug abuse
[7:42] affect individuals, families, and communities across the nation and whereas we recognize the
[7:48] overwhelming financial burden to society of alcohol, tobacco, and other drugs, and whereas
[7:54] we recognize it's negative impact on the health and success of our community, especially
[7:59] our youth, and whereas it is imperative that visible unified efforts by community members
[8:06] be launched to prevent drug abuse, and whereas Red Ribbon Week, I'll get it right
[8:14] by the end.
[8:15] Offer citizens the opportunity to demonstrate their commitment to drug-free lifestyles and
[8:20] wear as schools, businesses, government, law enforcement, media, health care providers,
[8:27] religious institutions and other community-based organizations will demonstrate their commitment
[8:32] to healthy, drug-free lifestyles by wearing red ribbons and participating in drug prevention
[8:38] activities.
[8:40] And now therefore I, Bruce A. Alers, Mayor of the City of Nceneetus, and along with all the city council members do here by proclaim that the city of Nceneetus joins other cities throughout the nation to declare the week of October 23rd to October 31st as Red Ribbon Week at all these schools in the each of their own and encourage all citizens to join our commitment to a healthy drug free community in which
[9:09] in which to raise a generation of healthy drug for youth. Thank you.
[10:35] Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
[10:38] Thank you. And as I leave quietly, we'll continue going. First up, presentation of the quarterly sheriffs update from Captain Watts.
[10:48] Good evening. Thank you very much, Mayor and Council. I appreciate the time that I get to share with you the hard work that are dedicated.
[10:57] deputies have been doing out in the community.
[11:01] For example, we have Michael Whitney, who is with our community-oriented and policing and
[11:08] problem-solving unit, our cops unit.
[11:10] He works late at night making sure that the issues in our downtown area and around town,
[11:17] that he's addressing those promptly, and then we also have detective Ryan with us tonight too.
[11:22] So I've definitely appreciate the hard work
[11:25] that these two gentlemen do for us,
[11:27] along with the other deputies are out patrolling.
[11:30] And with that, we'll kick off the presentation.
[11:35] When we were looking at our overall crimes against persons,
[11:39] the year 2025, year to date compared to 2024,
[11:44] I am proudly able to say that we've seen a decrease by 12%.
[11:49] I think that that is important.
[11:51] And sometimes, I feel like that is supported by that proactive work that the deputies are
[11:58] out there doing.
[12:00] Are taking out of the overall crimes against persons when we just look at assaults,
[12:07] assaults have decreased also by 12%.
[12:10] If you do see that the increase in August and September, I was a little kind of wanted
[12:18] a little deeper on that. Why did we have that increase? And it looked like what I was able
[12:24] to find was in August, five of those assaults were actually against our deputies. So they were
[12:32] victims of assaults themselves. And then going into September, for whatever reason, our domestic
[12:39] violence cases went up by double. And then we also had seven additional assaults on our
[12:47] activities. So that contributed to a large amount of that spike.
[12:54] And then moving along, crimes against property. Overall, crimes against our property
[12:59] has decreased by 24 percent. And that is, I think, related to our, you know, patrolling
[13:08] our business districts, really being out in the community, doing those extra patrols,
[13:12] put patrols and over at our retail centers by being a presence.
[13:20] Bergories have decreased by 30% year-to-date compared to this time last year.
[13:26] And with that, I will say that we are starting to go back to it's getting darker earlier.
[13:32] And so we have adjusted some resources to stay ahead of, we've had that South American
[13:39] that usually starts becoming active during this time
[13:43] because they take advantage of that nighttime coming quicker
[13:47] so they can access backyards from trails,
[13:50] they look for lights to be off
[13:52] and then they jump back fence and break into homes.
[13:57] So we have adjusted some resources to make sure
[14:00] that we have more additional resources out there during those times.
[14:05] We've also put out some ghost cars out in the community so that it looks like a visual
[14:11] deterrence.
[14:12] So that if we do have people that are coming from out of town that are driving through
[14:17] our communities, looking for an easy target that they will see those cars and go elsewhere.
[14:27] So I think that with that pro-activeness, I think that with the 30% decrease, I think we
[14:33] been able to stay ahead of it and I hope that that will continue for the remainder of the year.
[14:39] Our vehicle thefts have also decreased by 20%. Also with the vehicle theft, the catalytic
[14:48] converters that's been a little bit of a concern due to the heavy metal prices increasing.
[14:56] A lot of times they will target those catalytic converters.
[15:00] So that we can get out some of those precious metals. So I think with our additional presence, those extra patrols and our neighborhoods, I'm hoping that that will continue to be decreased as we go out throughout the year and finish the year up.
[15:16] Our varsity, petty theft, shoplifting, that's also decreased by 12%. We've really worked with our retail establishments to do proactive details.
[15:28] to be more of a presence in their parking lots
[15:30] to deter those types of crimes.
[15:35] Proactive measures.
[15:37] So calls for service, the way the chart should read
[15:40] is as our calls for service decrease,
[15:44] then my expectation is that our deputy initiated activities
[15:48] increase.
[15:49] So if they're not responding to as many radio calls,
[15:54] 911 calls that their proactivity within our community
[15:58] should, they should have more time to do proactive responses and activities.
[16:04] So as you can see, our calls for service, they actually did increase by 8%, but our
[16:11] deputy initiated activities, and as you know, even last year, when I took over a command,
[16:18] that was one of my priorities, was to make sure that we were proactive and that we were
[16:24] out in the community being proactive.
[16:26] So last year we saw quite a big improvement and so I had challenged the deputies the station to let's even go on top of that
[16:36] So it's build on that and continue to be out there and we have increased it by a staggering 67%
[16:43] Which I couldn't be more proud of the men and women that are out there protecting our community
[16:49] Thank you
[16:53] I really I really appreciate that and I know that
[16:57] The community is such a driving force and the deputies with the response being a part of the community has been just so rewarding.
[17:10] So we'll continue those efforts, but I was so proud when I saw that 67%.
[17:15] Our arrest have decreased by 4% compared to this time last year, and then moving along.
[17:24] These are also those proactive measures, so are under the influence, are intoxicated individuals
[17:33] that are out in the community by being proactive a lot of times.
[17:38] This is our downtown details that we're doing for the Friday Saturday nights and now that
[17:45] we've entered into the sports football season, some of that is going to be Monday nights
[17:52] Thursday nights as well, but our goal is when we see those individuals that are either under
[17:59] the influence of illegal substances, or they have consumed alcohol to the point that they
[18:05] are no longer able to care for themselves, that we intervene and make sure that for one, most
[18:10] importantly, they're not going to get behind a wheel. And two, we can make sure that they're not
[18:16] going to continue to drink and then become a call for service for me, or the fire department.
[18:21] So it's important that we intervene and make those arrest when we see individuals that are exhibiting that behavior.
[18:30] And then below that, these are the municipal codes that we have started to enforce this year with the city and the council support.
[18:41] All these are the ones that we have actually done misdemeanor arrest for that have gone to the city attorney's office for prosecution.
[18:51] So, as you can see, camping on public property, we've arrested 72 individuals.
[18:59] Private property 11, the use of vehicle, this is when we're out there in the night, and we see people
[19:06] that are sleeping and camping in their vehicles.
[19:09] We're contacting them, we've arrested 10 and so on.
[19:14] And then on the other side, this just represents this chart represents the amount of municipal
[19:20] codes that we have enforced this year. And as you can see, that chart is continuing to grow.
[19:28] And there wasn't really anything to compare it to for 2024. So that's why we don't have
[19:34] a comparison. But we have taken these quality of life issues and we have really prioritized
[19:41] those so that we can make change and we can improve the quality of life for the community.
[19:46] So that shows that we are taking a proactive measure and then below that are going to be some of the other municipal codes that we have started to enforce the parking of recreational vehicles.
[20:00] We've had 117 citations, the smoking prohibition 39, and then the vending, that's actually a vehicle code, but we found that we were able to use that for the individuals that are on our off ramps that are asking for donations money, so we've been using that code to enforce those.
[20:27] our traffic enforcement. So another one, you know, we would think that is our citations and
[20:34] our enforcement activity increases. I would hope that we would be able to reflect that we've
[20:41] had a decrease in collisions. So people are more aware, they're paying more attention that
[20:49] hopefully our collisions go down. And that is what we have seen. Our DUI arrests did increase
[20:54] because we were very proactive and we're continuing to be proactive and making those traffic
[21:01] stops at night and getting the impaired drivers off our roads prior to a collision. Our traffic
[21:08] collisions overall have decreased by 9% and then our citations have increased by 10%. And then
[21:18] I did break down on the actual collisions, what they involve.
[21:23] So motor vehicle, that's going to be a vehicle on vehicle, a fixed object, that can be
[21:29] anything that is other than a vehicle like a pull around about anything like that.
[21:36] Park motor vehicles, as you can see.
[21:39] But I think that with the proactive measures that we have done, I'm hopeful that, you
[21:48] I don't like that the enforcement has to be the mechanism for change, but I recognize that
[21:55] it is important, but if we could just have the community and driver behavior, recognize
[22:02] how important it is to follow those roadway, the speeds, stopping at those stop lights,
[22:08] before, you know, at the red stopping at stop signs,
[22:13] giving right away to the bicyclist.
[22:16] That's really the overall goal is to change that driver behavior.
[22:22] Our cop steam has been busy as Deputy Whitney will contest to,
[22:29] but they have been doing a lot of our shoplifting details,
[22:33] where they will actually be undercover.
[22:35] They will work with the retail establishments
[22:39] to catch the individuals that are in their store that are shoplifting from them.
[22:46] We've done several of those, and out of those, there were six arrests for individuals
[22:51] that were shoplifting from our retail establishments. ABC minor decoys in the shoulder taps.
[23:00] For me, one of the most important things is protecting our youth, and part of protecting our youth,
[23:06] like the Red Ribbon Week is keeping those illegal substances away from our children and out of their hands.
[23:15] So the ABC minor decoys are something that we're going to continue to do, and it's important because, you know, we do get one of these, actually,
[23:25] was a report from the community that one of the, one of their children said, hey everybody talks
[23:31] about they go to this place that they want to get alcohol. That's concerning. So we immediately
[23:40] did put together an undercover operation where we sent in a juvenile under our direction under our
[23:46] watch and they were successfully able to buy alcohol from the establishment. So there is obviously
[23:54] records, we arrested the clerk, and then the establishments itself gets a fine for ABC.
[24:02] So we have done several of those, and those resulted in four arrests. One of those four
[24:10] arrests was actually a repeat offender, so the person got arrested a second time. And then
[24:16] the establishment got a second notice from ABC. But these are all things that are extremely
[24:22] important, the shoulder tap, that's when we have underaged youth that are in the parking lot,
[24:31] that are asking patrons as they come in, that are over 21 to make a purchase for them.
[24:38] And that did result in one or less. We did have a patron that
[24:44] bought the alcohol to give to that minor. So the more that we can do with these,
[24:50] to keep these substance in the out of our youth.
[24:54] I just don't know what more are how important that can be
[24:57] and we will continue those efforts.
[25:00] Also, the Alcohol Over Service, we do go into our establishments in the evening to monitor, observe,
[25:11] to make sure that these establishments are not over-serving patrons that have, or exhibiting
[25:17] sides of already being intoxicated. So we'll continue to those. Those did not result in any
[25:26] violations, but that's something that we will continue to push forward.
[25:30] And then our incident is downtown detail.
[25:34] That is the Friday Saturday that we have our deputies that are down there.
[25:39] They're really walking around, being a visible presence.
[25:43] A lot of it is just education and interacting with the community, but it did result in five
[25:50] rest, two of them ended up being DUI-related because the individual actually got in their car
[25:58] and tried to back up and one hit a sign and the other the deputies were able to intervene
[26:04] before they were able to drive away. So we did have five arrests in those. Our community events,
[26:11] that's something that we're doing all the time. Today we actually did ice cream with the community
[26:15] that was a great event. I love doing those. And then we're obviously we're putting on trainings.
[26:23] We go to our local schools and do trainings for them. The downtown walks, that's something
[26:29] that, as you all know, is another very important to me. And that's when myself, our tenants,
[26:36] our cops team, we just walk downtown. We check in with all our business owners or their employees
[26:43] to make sure that they are in, they're feeling like it's a safe environment for themselves
[26:48] and for their patrons. It gives us the opportunity to have those face-to-face relationships that
[26:55] now, it's almost a first-name relationship, which I so much appreciate. But it allows us to
[27:03] understand the concerns and be able to proactively address those concerns immediately. We don't
[27:08] have to wait for it to fester and become a bigger issue.
[27:13] So those have been very rewarding and it actually reached our neighboring cities and now they
[27:20] have requested it too, so I'm getting a lot of walks in.
[27:23] I'm hoping that I'll lose some good, better shape, but it's been rewarding.
[27:30] And then once again, our school presentations, we have our own details and then our past details.
[27:36] But the unit itself is responsible for 35 felony arrests.
[27:41] A lot of those are going to be our proactive cases that they're following up on,
[27:46] or when they're out in the community.
[27:48] And then misdemeanor arrests 97.
[27:52] So that's a big number for a unit.
[27:57] So they are out there. They're working hard.
[28:01] And then I always put these in there because bicycle safety is so important.
[28:05] and it's so important, not just for our youth or for our adults that are writing the bicycles,
[28:12] but when our parents are making the decisions to buy these electric bikes, I want them
[28:19] to have the education to know what they are buying and what is legal, what is not legal,
[28:26] we have a lot of, let me go to the next one, the e-motor cycles, that's one that we see
[28:32] out there, we are being very proactive with our enforcement on these e-motor cycles.
[28:37] A lot of these have the capability of 60 miles an hour, and it's alarming when we see,
[28:44] you know, a youth on, that doesn't even have a driver's license that has a vehicle that is
[28:49] capable of going 60 miles an hour, and it does require a motorcycle license.
[29:02] It's not legally
[29:02] motorcycles when we do come in contact with them and then, of course, we notify the parents.
[29:09] These are just some pictures, some fun pictures from some of our community events that we do.
[29:16] And then focuses for 2025.
[29:18] This has changed, you know, there's one thing about our community as they rise up, we've had
[29:25] some challenges, we've had some issues as a community and this community rises and roadway
[29:32] safety, and vision zero is going to be a top priority for me.
[29:37] Making sure that our roadways are safe for all that use them, and the goal of vision zero
[29:45] will be a priority.
[29:47] One life is one, two matters.
[29:52] Thank you.
[29:53] But I will say that this community is a community that wants to be a part of the solicitor.
[30:01] This is not just a law enforcement issue. It's not a city issue. It's not an elected official issue. It is a community issue. And, you know, I don't always have the answers, and I'm not afraid to say that I'm not the smartest person in the room, but I'm smart enough to surround myself with the smartest people. And this community has provided that for me. They've come, they've met with me, they've offered advice and solicitation.
[30:30] that we could work together to address these issues, and I can't, I couldn't be more thankful for that.
[30:38] And I hope that I hope they feel and understand that House and Sierra I am when I say that.
[30:46] This is a community issue, and if we don't address as a community, then I don't think, I think we get a lot further if we do.
[30:56] So I'm very appreciative of that DUI enforcement.
[30:59] The city has funded two more deputies that will be for DUI enforcement for our night shifts.
[31:11] They will also be doing extra enforcement, but it's going to be important for me that
[31:19] when people come here to visit our establishments,
[31:24] that they understand that if they get behind a vehicle,
[31:28] while intoxicated, there's a very high likelihood
[31:30] they will be stopped and they will be arrested.
[31:33] There's other options, there's ride shares,
[31:36] there is no excuse.
[31:38] And you know, I always cringe when people say,
[31:40] oh, it's a DUI accident.
[31:42] There's no accident when you're under the influence
[31:44] of alcohol and you choose to get behind a wheel.
[31:47] That is not an accident, you made that choice.
[31:49] So, we are going to take a zero tolerance on that, and I'm excited, I actually will go before
[31:55] the Board of Supervisors next week to get the final approval from the Board of Supervisors
[32:02] so that we can go ahead and put people in place for those positions.
[32:09] So, thank you for the support for that.
[32:15] And then our e-bike education enforcement, you know, a lot of it, it really is education.
[32:21] I hope that the parents that are here, that they have seen us at the schools, they have
[32:28] seen us interacting with the children who are writing these bikes.
[32:31] We were all kids once I get it, but we want them to be safe.
[32:36] So we are constantly giving that education, providing that foundation for them to keep them
[32:42] safe.
[32:43] On the other side of that, there is enforcement when it needs to happen, but we will reach out
[32:49] to the parents.
[32:49] When we do that, it's usually a last case option for us, I would rather the child right
[32:58] away knowing that what they were doing probably wasn't smart and they can learn from that.
[33:06] And then obviously our unhoused outreach and enforcement will continue to do that in partnership
[33:11] with the city, but I am proud that our roadway safety and vision zero is at the top of our
[33:17] and you have my commitment that we will continue to adjust those resources to make our roadway
[33:24] safer for all.
[33:28] And then here's some resources I put this up every time just in case people
[33:32] have questions on the non-emergency line or if they would like to submit a crime stoppers tip
[33:38] and one of those ABC details with one of these establishments. Excuse me actually did come through
[33:45] crime stoppers tip, so very thankful for that.
[33:48] You also have the Mayance Anita sap.
[33:50] Thank you for all those who use it.
[33:53] We definitely appreciate it.
[33:56] And with that, that concludes the presentation
[33:58] and open up for questions.
[34:00] We have questions of clarification.
[34:01] I think we have one public speaker.
[34:03] Yes, we do.
[34:05] So why don't we take the one public speaker there, OK?
[34:08] I'll remember.
[34:17] That was a fantastic report.
[34:20] I wish I had seen it before.
[34:21] But I'm here mostly because I observed and watched the mobility and traffic safety meeting the other night and there were some things that came up that I think could and should be addressed maybe even right now.
[34:36] There seem to be some confusion over what is an incident versus what is an accident and at what point does an accident not be an accident but be an incident.
[34:48] Also, a question of the citations,
[34:57] and this is probably because sometimes...
[35:00] You could have an overcount. If you have, okay, so there's a guy and he's driving your radically and he rolls through the stop sign and he gets pulled over and it turns out he doesn't have a ballot license plate.
[35:12] He doesn't have registration, he doesn't have insurance. And there's a pipe and a baggy on the seat next to him. So is all of that one or is that five or six citations in one incident?
[35:27] or I just don't, I would like to know, to get the count right, how many are we talking
[35:34] because we don't want to, to overcount, but we don't want to undercount either, so that
[35:40] we kind of know how many scoff laws do we really have? Is it a handful, dozens, hundreds?
[35:47] And furthermore, something that came up was, and the deputy said that it could be done,
[35:53] is to know the residents of the people in these because we are a transit major place for the
[36:03] I-5 for Carl's Bad and Vista and other cities and we will always be that but we need to
[36:12] education only goes so far so we do need to enforce our laws and that's it for now. Thank you.
[36:24] Okay, and I don't know. Do you want to explain me? That's a good question.
[36:29] That's a great question. So for the purpose of my presentation, one citation was counted as one.
[36:36] However, on that citation, there could be multiple offenses.
[36:42] So like what was just said, we could pull somebody over
[36:45] for running a stop sign, however, they have a suspended license,
[36:49] or any other kind of infraction that would have been cited.
[36:53] So the Mobility Commission had asked for a further breakdown,
[36:57] so they could really quantify the number.
[37:00] So that was why they really dissected those.
[37:03] Instead of just saying, we had this many citations
[37:05] to help answer that question.
[37:08] The vehicle collision versus incident.
[37:12] So if we get called to private property between two drivers
[37:17] and they decide to do an infinite change
[37:20] and they do not require our actual police report,
[37:26] then that would be an incident.
[37:29] So what would generate a collision would be
[37:32] when we go ahead and initiate an investigation
[37:35] and provide a collision report for those.
[37:39] So, I hope that clarifies because we do get called quite a bit
[37:45] for, and sometimes it can be passerby's that observe the collision
[37:51] and then we respond and either they're no longer there,
[37:54] or they said, oh, you know, we're exchanging our insurance
[37:58] information and don't require a crime report.
[38:01] So that would be another incident.
[38:03] And then the resident, we didn't have, or we do not have the mechanism in place that really captures
[38:13] our inputting of the citation on whether the person is a resident or non-resident.
[38:20] However, that's a perfect example of what was brought to our attention by the community saying,
[38:28] you know, that would be very helpful so that we could see if, you know, our offenses are being
[38:35] committed by commuters that are just traveling through our city or if it is our residents.
[38:40] So I had directed our traffic division to try to quantify those and when they are going
[38:48] through the citations manually to recognize and identify the drivers home address so that we
[38:56] could try to capture that. I think that's an excellent idea and I think that's a statistical
[39:00] report that would it would be helpful and beneficial.
[39:06] Excellent. Thank you. With that council member
[39:09] O'Hara.
[39:13] Thank you. Great report and we appreciate all that you're doing. It's clear that
[39:18] you don't have, you know, how many times to sleep. I just cover two quick questions on the report.
[39:24] You mentioned the increase of 60-70% initiated activity and how that leads to lower
[39:32] arrest rates.
[39:33] And I just want to be able to elaborate maybe give an example for people who are wanting
[39:36] how that correlates with what that means.
[39:39] Yeah, so if we've been extremely proactive in the community, it is hard to quantify
[39:46] by us being proactive what we've actually prevented from happening.
[39:52] So I think by our pro-activity, by being out in those community, out in the community, and some of the hard work that we did earlier.
[40:00] On this year with our enforcement of our municipal codes and some of those intoxication, under the influence, I do think that we have seen a result in a drop in that behavior.
[40:13] But I think it was because we took a very zero tolerance stance and we proactively addressed it.
[40:20] super appreciate the explanation. And then just kind of following through in a couple of
[40:26] the questions where we talked about or you mentioned the not always wanting an enforcement to
[40:31] be first you know I think it's important for all of us to remind everybody that in a lot of these
[40:37] instances that we see around the city there was a service first approach in certain cases when it's
[40:43] applicable and I was wondering do we do we track percent I thought at one point we tracked
[40:49] percentage accepted to services and percentage declined, do we still do that or is that something
[40:53] we could do in the future?
[40:55] So the sheriff's office doesn't, that's when we refer those individuals over to the city
[41:01] for the case workers?
[41:03] Correct.
[41:03] Yeah, exactly.
[41:05] Because that'll be something we can refer, sheriff will refer to case workers when they
[41:08] come in and we'll be able to track that.
[41:12] Yes, we will be bringing our case management outreach to City Council in November for approval
[41:19] And yes, they will definitely work with the hope team.
[41:22] And we will track that as well as we are using the HMIS system.
[41:26] Fantastic.
[41:27] I appreciate it.
[41:27] You guys are keep up a good work and we're grateful for your service.
[41:32] So I look at the time we're spending on this.
[41:35] But then I also look at the budget we spend on these two departments.
[41:38] And it is over 40% of our budget.
[41:41] So I actually think we probably haven't spent enough time
[41:44] hearing and interacting with both of you to focus on this
[41:48] because it's probably one of the main things most citizens want to know.
[41:52] So, Bravo and I appreciate the time we're taking.
[41:56] And you gave the status, are the two new traffic deputies?
[42:00] Are they on board and do they have cars?
[42:03] And are they hitting the ground running now?
[42:05] Because it was as of July 1st for the budget item.
[42:08] Correct.
[42:09] So we had to bring that those positions before the county board of supervisors
[42:13] for approval, even though they are funded and budgeted by the city.
[42:18] We still need the board of supervisors to be able to give us those positions, but I do have that here in next week
[42:26] I'm so I'm hopeful that it's on consent. Okay, we'll see yeah, and then and then and then we can start the
[42:33] To hire those and you need a city council member or mayor to show up at the meeting or any citizens to show up
[42:40] You know, we're there to support you I love all the you've been keeping busy
[42:44] There's no doubt about it, but I didn't hear you mention the maximum enforcement efforts that we've done five monthly, went done one a month, so if you could give a little background on that.
[42:54] Yeah, thank you very much for bringing that up.
[42:57] One of the strategies that we looked at to try to maximize our resources out in the community for our roadway safety.
[43:06] We were looking at how can we get more enforcement and get the driver behavior to change?
[43:15] So, looking at our resources, we started a target enforcement, we were picking one day a month and it started out with our, for example, our detective units who are usually suit and tie.
[43:30] They were getting a dressing and uniform, getting a patrol cars, our cops teams were also out there.
[43:36] So by the time we went through the station, it gave us an extra 18 to 20 cars that were out
[43:43] in our community doing a focused enforcement on our roadway safety.
[43:49] It expanded from there, then I got a little selfish and I reached out to our other stations
[43:56] within the Sheriff's Office, Vista, Sam Marcos, Poway, and I asked for some of their resources
[44:03] to come in and they did provide those resources.
[44:07] So we had an additional 15 to 20 motors, but I wasn't satisfied yet.
[44:13] So then I reached out to some of our surrounding partners, our agencies, Oceanside Carlsbad
[44:21] San Diego Police Department, true of his stuff, and so on, and asked if they would provide
[44:26] us with some of their personnel to help us.
[44:30] and they graciously did and at the last one that we did,
[44:35] we had over 40 motors from all over the county that were here to help us.
[44:41] So I was very much appreciative of that.
[44:43] This is an effort that we will continue to do,
[44:47] because I do think it's important.
[44:48] And I do think that the drivers have recognized it.
[44:53] It's hard not to.
[44:54] I was getting on the last one.
[44:56] I had people from the community.
[44:57] my family was sending
[45:02] And it was nothing but enforcement enforcement all over the entire city. Some of them were poking fun at me. But I think that ultimately what we're trying to do is just bring attention to our roadways and the safety of everybody that's on it. And it has seemed to be very positive.
[45:25] Yeah. And then just a couple more comments from me, the, I've done the walk along, I walked along with you rather than a right along, I've done right along, too. And not only was it a great experience to walk along and talk to the business owners with, with the sheriff and with the various deputies.
[45:43] I've noticed now as I interact with people downtown, the downtown business owners. They're beginning to see it. They're getting used to seeing deputies come in and their developing relationships that, that the information flows.
[45:55] much better. So Bravo, keep it up. We talked a lot about enforcement, but that doesn't mean we're
[46:02] still not doing the hope. And so every time you do a homeless action, you actually go out there
[46:07] with a cross-functional team and we offer services to those people too. So I don't want to lose
[46:12] sight of that but along with the enforcement is necessary. And then my last comment, and by the way,
[46:17] thank you, this is wonderful. Can you put the PowerPoint online and email it to us too so we can
[46:23] have that. I appreciate that. And with that, Deputy Mayor lines.
[46:29] Thank you. Thank you, Captain Watts, for your good work. I did want to touch on something
[46:35] that I didn't hear in your presentation, because I think it's really notable. And that
[46:40] is how responsive you've been when we've had the issue of our ice activities here in
[46:46] need us recently. I appreciate that you've reached out to the community to make sure that you're
[46:54] visible and that you're there to protect our residents and that they if they ever feel threatened
[47:03] are always to call on you and your deputies to come. And you're helping to educate all of us on
[47:10] What we can do locally and then what the rights are of the federal agents as well.
[47:17] So I encourage you and your team to continue to help us understand that and to continue to be available to the community as we need you.
[47:27] I know that we've developed improved communication with our federal agent leaders and that you're the primary contact.
[47:36] And I just want to give you a good pat on the back for that.
[47:42] And please keep up that good work.
[47:44] I do also want to call out that on October 29th at noon,
[47:50] you are doing one of your community outreach events
[47:53] at the Cardiff Library.
[47:56] And I think if I remember correctly,
[47:58] this is hosted by the Cardiff 101 Business Association,
[48:01] but businesses and residents are welcome to come.
[48:05] everyone's welcome to come again that's October 29th at the Cardiff Library and it is what
[48:12] can your sheriff do for you? So you're really asking the question and you want to listen to what
[48:18] the public input is. All right, thank you.
[48:22] Council Member Sever. Thank you.
[48:23] phenomenal report and obviously the efforts are paying out and it's the professionalism is at the top
[48:29] notch across the board of the gentleman sitting there so we couldn't thank you enough. That
[48:33] resources, it's been set up here all the other stuff, but the resources of slide that you
[48:37] just put up, that one, can we get either business cards so that as we do the walkthrough
[48:42] so that businesses have a place to either put it somewhere so it's visible or a stack
[48:46] that people can take and could we also add that to the app and make sure that that gets,
[48:52] that this should be a primary location for people to get this resource and not to go flying
[48:58] in the moment that they need that type of thing.
[49:00] So really appreciate everything.
[49:01] Thank you.
[49:03] OK, with that, I think we're done with this item.
[49:06] Thank you.
[49:07] And we'll move on to the fire department.
[49:14] Good evening, Mayor.
[49:15] Deputy Mayor, Council members.
[49:17] It's a tough act to follow with Captain Watts.
[49:19] Usually I would take this moment to make
[49:22] a fun of how long he took.
[49:25] But instead, I'm going to give him a little bit of props here,
[49:31] because the amount of work that our sheriff's due
[49:34] is amazing with how many people now they have.
[49:37] And the more the prevention side that they do
[49:40] and the enforcement side that they do,
[49:42] it helps us on our side with lower medical aids
[49:45] and traffic collisions and it gives my team
[49:49] out on the floor some time to breathe as well.
[49:52] So the collaboration we have with our sheriff's partners
[49:56] and the fire department is, it's priceless.
[49:59] So I
[50:00] I just want to thank them for all their work. I know they do a lot and we see it in the fire stations as well.
[50:06] But with that, thank you for having us. We're going to go over our data. Probably not as in detail because we don't have as much time as Captain Wastuk.
[50:17] But with January to September, year to date, we don't have all of our October data yet. It hasn't come in yet, but we'll bring you through a September of all of our response data.
[50:28] And I'm actually going to turn it over to Deputy Chief Sanchez to present this information
[50:32] tonight.
[50:35] All right.
[50:35] Thank you, Chief.
[50:37] Council of Mayor, Deputy Mayor, Jorge Sanchez, your Deputy Fire Chief.
[50:41] I'll go over the last nine months of this calendar year.
[50:46] I'll be presenting some fire department operations and incident response patterns.
[50:50] Mutual aid exchanges and performance metrics of the last nine months.
[50:56] Starting January 1st through the end of September 30th.
[51:01] In the city of Encinitas, the Encinitas Fire Department actually responded to 6,114 incidents from that time frame.
[51:11] As you can see here in this slide here, we have 72% of those calls were medical incidents that accounted for 4,406 medical emergencies.
[51:23] We also had a variety of other calls, vehicle collisions, 438.
[51:29] We had 7% that were alarms and 5.7% which equated to approximately 351 fire incidents that we responded to.
[51:39] Now the 6,114 calls, they were in jurisdiction and out of jurisdiction.
[51:48] We'll get into that a little bit more of what that means.
[51:52] This is a detailed incident break down.
[51:55] If you guys see your packet there, it's probably not the cover page, but page two of
[52:01] it.
[52:02] You'll see a breakdown of the 6,114 calls.
[52:06] This is a synopsis of the priority categories.
[52:10] We have fire and medical as well as other incidents.
[52:14] But once again, this kind of goes over the categories that we responded out of the 6,114
[52:20] incidents. 93 were incidents of structure fires, 113 other fires, we had some vegetation fires
[52:29] as well. We had vehicle fires and 424,000, 207 medical responses with an additional 136
[52:39] medical stage calls. Hazardous conditions, rescue operations, and service assist calls
[52:46] with throughout our jurisdiction.
[52:51] This year goes over the jurisdictional response summary.
[52:55] Out of the 6,114 calls that we responded to.
[53:00] 5,237 of them were unique to the C events in the US.
[53:04] That was within our jurisdiction.
[53:06] However, we do have mutual and automatic
[53:09] agreements with surrounding agencies.
[53:11] So we did extend our services to Carl's
[53:14] at Ranch of the Center face on a beach, Delmar, and other agencies, which includes San Diego
[53:20] City, and in some cases, other agencies to the north of us here in the north zone.
[53:26] As you can see that, we did respond to 399 incidents to Carl's Bad, 146 to Ranch of the
[53:35] Center face, Solana Beach, 122, and what you don't see here, we also responded 70 to Delmar
[53:42] and 140 to other jurisdictions,
[53:45] totally in the 6,114 calls.
[53:51] What we have here is unit commitment analysis.
[53:55] So I talked about the 6,114 calls in jurisdiction,
[53:59] out of jurisdiction.
[54:01] However, we don't always send just one unit
[54:04] to these incidents, many times we send multiple units
[54:06] depending on the emergency.
[54:09] So with that, we had a total of 11,551 total unit
[54:14] commitments from at Sineeda's fire department.
[54:17] 9,938 of those were committed to the city of Sineeda's.
[54:23] 1113 of those were outside of our jurisdiction to the surrounding agencies.
[54:31] Here we have a mutual aid exchange balance.
[54:34] What this is is the department provided 471 hours and 39 minutes of aid to other jurisdictions
[54:43] while we received 885 hours with five minutes of assistance, resulting in a net aid exchange
[54:51] excuse me of 413 hours. This indicates that incident is did receive more support than it provided.
[55:00] We provided to Carlsbad, excuse me, here, can you a second?
[55:09] Yes, to Carlsbad, to the right there, that's a positive.
[55:12] We provided 117 hours to Carlsbad. You'll find them in your packet. Then we provided to Delmar 42 hours.
[55:22] We received from Rancho Santa Fe 164 hours from Solana Beach 281 other jurisdictions totaling
[55:31] 127 hours for a net exchange of receiving 413 hours from other jurisdictions.
[55:44] Outgoing aid by jurisdictions.
[55:46] We provided 198 hours to Carlsbad, Solana Beach, 94 hours and change Rancho Santa Fe
[55:56] seventy-one hours and Delmar 53 hours.
[56:00] What you also don't see here is the other jurisdictions with which total, another 53 hours.
[56:05] That total is the 471 hours that we gave out to other jurisdictions.
[56:14] Now the incoming aid was the 885 hours that we received that netted the 413 hours of difference.
[56:22] So, on a beach providing 375 hours and 46 minutes, although one of their units,
[56:30] medic 237, which responds out of Solana Beach Fire Station, they provided the bulk of those hours,
[56:37] which equated to 279 hours.
[56:44] To give an example, they provided 375 to 279, which is almost 100 hours of the 375.
[56:56] five, the remaining 96 hours were provided by fire resources from Solana Beach into Encinitas.
[57:06] Also we received an approximate 196 hours from the Rancho Centifay Medic 261 out of the 236
[57:15] hours. So, they do have three ambulances, but you don't see there is medic 262 provided
[57:23] 6 hours, medic 264 provided another 20 hours collectively the ambulance is alone, provided
[57:30] 222 hours, the fire resources provided 14 hours of those 236 hours that ranch was sent
[57:38] a fae provided.
[57:40] And again, it goes into Carlsbad, they received 81 hours from us, and 100, we received 81
[57:47] hours of 190 unit commitment hours
[57:56] response times.
[57:57] The incident is demonstrated a pretty good performance across all multiple metrics.
[58:04] The call processing time, the average call processing time is from the 911 call comes into dispatch,
[58:11] and they process that 911 emergency.
[58:14] The average was 53 seconds call processing time.
[58:19] Then at that point, it gets turned over to the fire department, and that's when we get the alarm at the fire station.
[58:25] Once we get the alarm, and we go responding on our mobile data computer on the fire engine,
[58:32] that turn out time averaged one minute and nine seconds, and the 90th percentile was two minutes, seven seconds.
[58:40] From that point, once we hit responding, we're considered travel time.
[58:45] We averaged approximately four minutes and 53 seconds of travel time throughout our jurisdiction,
[58:51] and the overall response times with seven minutes, 11 seconds.
[59:03] So the Institute of Spide Department maintained
[59:05] an effective emergency response throughout our operations,
[59:09] handling over 6,000 calls, and actively participating
[59:13] in a reciprocity and mutual aid, giving aid out
[59:17] and receiving aid from other jurisdictions.
[59:21] We had 72% which was mainly medical aid calls
[59:26] as we saw earlier, and we have a strong working relationship
[59:30] with bordering agencies that we had that reciprocity.
[59:34] And I feel like we had an excellent response time
[59:37] with 71% of our responses achieving under eight minutes
[59:41] total response time across our metrics.
[59:49] Now the fire department also has a fire prevention division
[59:54] and they stayed pretty busy these nine months.
[59:56] They have had over 1,700 permit reviews.
[1:00:00] And construction inspections of 773 with all the new construction going into place.
[1:00:06] They've been working with a, with a, with a defensible space inspections. They completed 30 throughout our, our, our municipality.
[1:00:15] And they've engaged in 10 special event inspections.
[1:00:19] And we did have an open house October 4th, which I'm grateful, and many of you stopped by it. And we thank you for that.
[1:00:25] It was very successful and that was at our fire station number five. We had over five hundred attendees
[1:00:32] It was it was very busy and it was it was nice to see the community coming together and and the families the children and and and us engaging in the fire department with
[1:00:42] With the community it was outstanding. Yeah, and free food too. So we did you know a recent
[1:00:48] Marks and drinks for everyone, so that was nice.
[1:00:52] However, we didn't do it alone.
[1:00:54] Our fire prevention assisted us and we had other agencies that participated at SDG&E.
[1:01:01] We had the red cross there.
[1:01:03] We had tips as well.
[1:01:05] We had AMR ambulance, who brought their ambulance and the interacted with the community.
[1:01:11] We had Sparky, the dog, walking around and keeping everyone entertained.
[1:01:15] But very nice event, we've engaged in five public education events and we've done 16 fire investigations that have to do with fire-related incidents.
[1:01:29] That is all I have for the moment.
[1:01:31] I do want to fill you in on a few other activities that the fire department has been involved with as well in partnership with AMR ambulance.
[1:01:40] So, year two dates, we've had 44 events, 24 public services, 17 educational events, three donated
[1:01:49] stand-by from the ambulance company, and we've talked collectively, year to date, 2991, hands-on,
[1:01:59] only CPR to the community, which is great.
[1:02:02] We do perform CPR, excuse me, blood pressure checks at our Encinitas Community Center.
[1:02:10] Year 2 date, we've completed 270 blood pressure checks there at the Community Center.
[1:02:16] We've also, every month, we do child car seat inspections, and we've completed 19 car seat inspections there at the Community Center.
[1:02:26] We're gearing up for CPRs and schools, so we partner up with AMR and we have the fire department
[1:02:34] not respond, but participate in the CPR and schools, which is fantastic.
[1:02:41] We get together with local schools and during the PE hour, we cycle everyone through the school to hands our CPR.
[1:02:51] We get the fire department there, the paramedics are there a part of it, and we reach out to schools like
[1:02:57] Morantha, Deganyo, we reach out to San Degito Academy, Dolanorthy and Earl Warren, all schools that are part of our
[1:03:05] CSA-17 San Degito area. And I think that's that's all I have at the moment, and that's a chief of like to add anything else.
[1:03:15] I've got a couple of questions.
[1:03:18] First one is I think you showed 30 property inspections.
[1:03:22] Is that like going out looking at wildfire susceptibility of that type of stuff?
[1:03:27] Where is that actual new construction inspection?
[1:03:31] Dependsable space inspections are more of that.
[1:03:35] There are some community members that are asking for us to just come look at there.
[1:03:39] Properties but there's also those that are selling their properties and have to have a different
[1:03:42] a sensible space inspection to put with the report with their property sale.
[1:03:47] But that was only 30, and it seems like we'd have quite.
[1:03:50] In other words, you will take calls from residents if, if, and when the fire martial
[1:03:55] last time, they'll come out and actually look at and give advice for things we can do.
[1:04:01] Because one of the things we're trying to do is get to the zone zero, trying to get the
[1:04:05] flammable materials, five feet away from your house, especially in fire prone areas like
[1:04:10] I live in a leave-in-hine, but so it sounds like there's an opportunity there for people to call in.
[1:04:17] It is based on the availability that we have to come out to your home.
[1:04:23] We will do it.
[1:04:24] It might not be at the time frame that you want immediately, but we will make our way out there
[1:04:30] to inspect your home for defense with space and give some kind of feedback on how you can
[1:04:35] heart in your home provide a better defensible space, create a zone zero and you know
[1:04:42] hit all the califier requirements. And then second question is about trends in fires and
[1:04:49] I've noticed more garage fires and I'm curious whether you've seen a trend and whether lithium
[1:04:55] and rechargeable batteries are the source of that.
[1:05:00] And what are signs people should look for to get those things out of their garage before they do turn on fire?
[1:05:07] Yeah, right now the numbers are trending around 80% of all garage fires, all trash truck fires are caused by lithium ion batteries.
[1:05:17] Most of them are going to be your galalt battery or e-bike battery, your scooter battery,
[1:05:26] and usually it's caused by some kind of damage or using an aftermarket charger for the battery itself.
[1:05:32] So we're seeing a lot of youth who drop their bike crash their bike, go in, plug it in, walk inside,
[1:05:39] and now it's a garage fire later on,
[1:05:43] because it was damaged the battery.
[1:05:45] Same thing does happen with electric vehicles.
[1:05:48] We don't get as many of those,
[1:05:50] but once those do catch on fire from a garage fire,
[1:05:53] or from another lithium-ion battery,
[1:05:55] those are hard to put out, it takes a lot of water.
[1:06:00] It can take up to 300,000 gallons or more water
[1:06:03] to put out an electric vehicle fire.
[1:06:06] So things to look for, swelling and heat
[1:06:08] coming from the battery. If you've dropped the battery, inspect it for damage, do not put it on a
[1:06:15] charger for at least three days. There are batteries that will sit and rest for three days before
[1:06:22] they catch on fire after being damaged. Do not leave your lithium-ion batteries plugged in overnight.
[1:06:29] In your garage, if you do, they do sell pouches or metal containers that you can
[1:06:38] charge of the family I have batteries in. I also pay attention to your cell phones, right?
[1:06:46] Cell phones, if they're heating up, if they're really hot to the touch, as you're charging them,
[1:06:51] that is a bad sign. There has been instances not with an incident's needus, but within the
[1:06:55] county where a cell phone has caught on fire and one of these was on a bed of someone who was charging
[1:07:03] in and caught their bedroom on fire. They were able to put it out pretty quick with the
[1:07:09] some water and they're extinguished here, but it did make quite a mess with that extinguished
[1:07:13] here. I don't know if you've guys ever used one indoors. But yeah, that would be my advice
[1:07:18] right now is if you're going to plug in lithium-ion batteries don't do it overnight and make sure
[1:07:22] that you inspect your batteries before you do it. Okay. Council Member Schaefer. Yeah, thank you for the report
[1:07:28] really appreciate it. Just check it on the 90th percentile. Is that for, is that for our response
[1:07:33] times and all of our times or that is that for county wide-type model.
[1:07:38] That's going to be for our jurisdiction, it actually includes in and out of jurisdiction
[1:07:43] right now.
[1:07:44] So when we ran the numbers for some reason, our jurisdiction only numbers were not calculating
[1:07:49] so it is a little longer, but I will say this, we are seeing a little bit longer travel
[1:07:55] times.
[1:07:57] So, our out of the dispatch time or the call processing time is, I'm going to find that one for me, the call processing time is really good.
[1:08:07] Our dispatch does a great job. It is increased a little bit because of determinant dispatching or triaging now, so they take a little bit more time to ask additional questions to send their correct resource.
[1:08:19] So there is going to be a little bit of delay there in the 30 second range.
[1:08:23] Our turnout times are trending a little down but still within a good number and then our travel
[1:08:31] times are what's taking a little longer. Now that could be due to station one being at station
[1:08:37] three right now. There is an increased response time to this downtown area. We do have
[1:08:45] an increase in call volume right now we're trending to over 8200 calls for this year where last year
[1:08:52] we're about 7,900, so we're increasing almost a call a day as well as traffic calming measures.
[1:08:59] So we are providing narrowing lanes and some speed bumps and roundabouts which do have an
[1:09:10] overall impact but when we're looking at our response time specifically for each call,
[1:09:15] it's going up maybe 15 seconds, I think a good example would be the roundabout on 101.
[1:09:20] And it only increased our call response times into that area about nine seconds.
[1:09:26] The last time I looked, it's been a few months, but it hasn't been a problem for us.
[1:09:31] And then I go to the numbers of us receiving a net of the 413.
[1:09:39] So is there any reasoning for that?
[1:09:41] Is it partially because of the station locations or whatever?
[1:09:44] Yeah, so, I mean, like Chief Sanchez said, we have CSA 17 is our air ambulance provider, right?
[1:09:53] So, AMRs, our ambulance provider contract goes through the county.
[1:09:58] Now, each one of these ambulances is a CSA.
[1:10:00] So they move around. When you look at Cardiff, medic 232 and Cardiff, if they're on a call, medic 237, thank you, is the one who responds.
[1:10:14] And they respond to the Manchester area, much quicker than our 232 for some reason, on the response polygons and times that we have. So their ambivalences create almost 80% of that number.
[1:10:27] So, when we look at it as holistically, it looks like we're stealing everybody's fire engines,
[1:10:34] but we have to change that paradigm to an ambulance response, and that's a shared resource that we have all together.
[1:10:41] So, we provide a lot more, let's say in the Carlsbad, where we rarely have an ambulance go in there because of the CSA 7 boundary that we have.
[1:10:48] There's a kind of a wall there, so all of our fire engine response, the 399 responses that
[1:10:56] we've had have been mostly fire engines where, again, in a CSA-17, most of those numbers are
[1:11:02] from ambulances.
[1:11:03] Okay.
[1:11:04] Thank you.
[1:11:05] Council Member San Antonio.
[1:11:08] So I think was it, what was it, what was the hours for the received from Solana Beach?
[1:11:14] Was it specifically for I think was for medic 261 was it like 200 and something hours
[1:11:22] For the incoming aid from them the total was the 375 hours. Yeah, but I think it was it would be
[1:11:30] You break it down to like 200 and something hours for just
[1:11:33] Yeah, so yes, you're right
[1:11:36] So your refrain is a lot of each we received 375 and
[1:11:41] With that
[1:11:46] So on the beach, we received 3,000 or so on the planet.
[1:11:51] The medic provided 279 knots, and then we also have a superluster.
[1:11:56] We have a supervisor for the ambulance that provided.
[1:12:02] Jeez.
[1:12:03] Thank you.
[1:12:05] That's down here.
[1:12:07] So we had 279 hours from that medic ambulance.
[1:12:11] Plus the supervisor for the ambulance provided 24 hours.
[1:12:15] totally them two alone three hundred three hours of time into our city. So what leaves
[1:12:25] what it leaves on the table is seventy two hours of actual fire resources coming into our
[1:12:30] jurisdiction. So it is heavily on the on the ambulance. Same thing for Rancho Santa Fe.
[1:12:36] The had three medic ambulances that are part of the CSA 17 that quite responded quite
[1:12:42] with medic ambulance 261 from
[1:12:45] Andrew Santa Fe alone providing 196 hours
[1:12:48] into our jurisdictions.
[1:12:50] Yeah.
[1:12:50] I mean, it's interesting number because
[1:12:52] obviously it's with the percentage of
[1:12:56] medical call that's 72% out of that whole
[1:12:59] pite chart.
[1:13:01] And we get so much ambulance service from
[1:13:03] outside our jurisdiction.
[1:13:05] I mean, it's just an interesting number,
[1:13:07] you know, for it is.
[1:13:09] And it's a good observation.
[1:13:10] You know, it happens when our ambulances are out on another incident and then another incident comes in and we can't meet that.
[1:13:21] So we pull from either on the East Side Ranch of Santa Fe to the south of us, medic 237 from Solana Beach.
[1:13:29] And for the CSA 17, we do a pretty good job of trying to come up with the best locations for those ambulances.
[1:13:36] I don't know if you remember, not long ago, we had a 12-hour unit that was a floating ambulance
[1:13:41] in the northern part of Encinitas.
[1:13:44] Well, we were able to capture those 12 hours and our medic 232 at Station 2 and Cardiff,
[1:13:50] was a 12-hour unit.
[1:13:52] So we were able to capture those hours and convert that medic 232 into a 24-hour unit to
[1:13:59] hopefully reduce the numbers we're talking about right now.
[1:14:02] So they've had a positive impact.
[1:14:04] Yeah, and still we're seeing some of these numbers from ambulances helping us and
[1:14:09] and some of these numbers.
[1:14:10] If I could add a load to that, so for this year, our medic 235, which runs out of station
[1:14:17] five out of below are, they have a 31.03% unit hour utilization.
[1:14:24] And when we're looking at ambulances, we are looking at a unit hour utilization between 0.2 or
[1:14:32] 20% to 40% usage before looking for additional resources.
[1:14:37] So, as we start seeing increased call volume,
[1:14:40] those numbers start to be something that we need to plan around
[1:14:43] to possibly add additional ambulances into the systems.
[1:14:46] Yeah, that's what I was thinking too.
[1:14:47] When you're looking at the additional resources
[1:14:49] we're pulling from other cities, right?
[1:14:51] Or CSA 17 ambulances.
[1:14:54] Once these numbers start jumping up a little bit,
[1:14:56] which I anticipate them to do with the call volume increase
[1:14:59] that we're...
[1:15:01] We're probably approaching the county, CSA-17 and AMR, and finding out how we can lower those unit hourly utilization.
[1:15:09] The unit hourly utilization to better fit our citizens here and make sure that there's an ambulance that's close by.
[1:15:16] We'll start seeing our response times increase on the ambulance side, and obviously we don't want to do that.
[1:15:22] Perfect. Yeah, definitely something to explore on the future. Thank you.
[1:15:27] Okay. I think that that's it for our announcement. Thank you. You took almost as much
[1:15:34] name as the sheriff. Just so we're, you know, but who's keeping score? Just like what
[1:15:38] is defend defend the sheriff's honor here too. So we will now move on to item five,
[1:15:44] which is oral comments. And oral comments are public comments that are not on tonight's agenda.
[1:15:51] We allocate up to 30 minutes for oral comments at the beginning of a regular meeting.
[1:15:56] speakers typically are granted three minutes to address the council with no time
[1:16:01] donation time donations permitted and the chair has the authority to limit the
[1:16:06] duration of these comments as so long as it's done equitably to all speakers.
[1:16:12] Tonight we have 16 speakers so in order to manage our time and be fair to the
[1:16:17] members of the public here to participate in our regularly scheduled items I will
[1:16:22] limiting the oral comments to two minutes so we got to see that it's right around 30 minutes
[1:16:27] and that way we should get done and then did you want me to make the announcement about
[1:16:31] speaker subsmus be turned in? Yeah and one thing that it's in our procedures that once we start
[1:16:37] our oral comments then that cuts off for the oral comments so we're going to do that and it's
[1:16:43] what's written in the procedure so we're following our procedure accurately and with that let's call
[1:16:50] first and if people could queue up up here, so we spend less time walking up.
[1:16:57] And then just as a reminder, as the mayor stated, each speaker will have two minutes.
[1:17:01] The first three are Jim O'Hara, Patty Stautamir, followed by Judy Burlfine.
[1:17:09] Okay, so I just wanted to start off with a shout out and get well to River Smith,
[1:17:18] who was recently in an accident that a lot of us heard about it down town and a heartfelt
[1:17:24] feeling of empathy and positivity to his parents, Zach and Betsy, who I saw on the scene.
[1:17:30] Last Wednesday, I was here at City Hall picking up a birthday gift I've left in my office
[1:17:36] for my daughter and I got to call you need to come down Jaldo on one right now, something's
[1:17:43] happened. And I got down there immediately to what I only call a high profile incident here
[1:17:51] in town that was pretty astonishing to see. And in that, and I think the sheriff touched
[1:17:58] on this, I saw an amazing community down there. So everybody coming together, get at that
[1:18:05] truck makes space, as soon as you've heard the sirens, people were
[1:18:12] clearing out the road to make sure the sheriff could get through to make sure
[1:18:14] the first responders could get through, and when I can only call in impressive
[1:18:19] response, once the sheriff's and the first responders that are our fire
[1:18:24] department showed up to control the crowd, makes space for the crowd, politely
[1:18:34] compassionately and professionally. As well as common, there were a lot of people who are clearly shaken,
[1:18:39] at least 100 people witnessed this accident. I'm sure more, just to be on the conservative side of that
[1:18:46] estimate.
[1:18:49] And I just want to take a moment, again, to give a, to get well soon to
[1:18:56] We're so grateful that the injuries you received or you experienced, we're limited to what they were and which you're speaking to recovery.
[1:19:06] And I also want to give a huge shout out again to the community.
[1:19:10] And I really want to thank our fire department and our sheriff department.
[1:19:15] It was such a shiny example of how you collaborate together.
[1:19:18] And how you were there.
[1:19:20] I was there from here to there in less than a minute.
[1:19:23] And I counted.
[1:19:24] I'll close up.
[1:19:25] I kind of multiple vehicles there within eight minutes.
[1:19:28] Clearing the scene, getting people going.
[1:19:31] It was pretty incredible.
[1:19:34] So that's it.
[1:19:34] Thanks to the community, and thank you to our Fire Department.
[1:19:36] I'm going to share this part for that.
[1:19:38] So
[1:19:41] Patty, Patty, you can come up.
[1:19:45] I'm on our follow by Judy Burlfine, Andy,
[1:19:48] and then Gerald Tanksley.
[1:19:49] Wasn't Helen Burr in there?
[1:19:51] I thought you said,
[1:19:55] OK.
[1:19:55] Mayor, council, Patty, stop on my, just a little thing.
[1:20:00] About smart cities.
[1:20:04] They don't know sound, dog on it.
[1:20:13] That will.
[1:20:14] If you
[1:20:25] could hold the time,
[1:20:30] what we can do is we go maybe to the next person and then patty bring
[1:20:37] you back, that'd be okay, and then you'll get the full sounds.
[1:20:42] So who was next, Judy?
[1:20:48] I'll
[1:20:53] just give you a head step by step.
[1:20:57] Okay, thank you.
[1:21:02] Thank you.
[1:21:03] First of all, I want to say that all crashes are bad collisions
[1:21:07] whether they are an insinucible of art, or 101, or anywhere else in the city
[1:21:12] between autos and autos and cyclists, autos and pedestrians.
[1:21:16] and I'm in favor of finding safer ways for everyone to get around.
[1:21:21] So one idea that'll be presented next week is to widen the
[1:21:25] card of cycle track by making it two way and as Commissioner Medock at
[1:21:30] the Mobility Commission stated the wider two way track that we already have
[1:21:35] is a lot safer because it provides more space for fast cyclists to pass
[1:21:40] slower cyclists. So wider is better. In addition, physical
[1:21:46] separation also provides another layer of safety as this video demonstrates.
[1:21:53] So the middle,
[1:21:54] this is on 101, the driver hit the curb stop and the wheel ripped off the axle and what would
[1:22:03] have stopped the driver from running into the cycle track if they had not hit the curb stop.
[1:22:09] So, paint doesn't really provide protection, but separated infrastructure does.
[1:22:18] Thank you, and I hope you'll keep this in mind when we evaluate how we can keep everyone safe on 101.
[1:22:31] Are you ready for Patty?
[1:22:35] You're all your clothes.
[1:22:36] Is it?
[1:22:37] Why are you?
[1:22:41] Right.
[1:22:42] Crank it up as much as you can.
[1:22:46] Should I backtrack?
[1:22:48] Go ahead.
[1:22:49] Go ahead and just start over.
[1:22:50] Okay.
[1:22:50] How much can you be in charge?
[1:22:55] Thanks a lot.
[1:23:00] Within the home, it's location, it's usage, and all the data is going to Amazon service.
[1:23:09] When you leave your home, all modern vehicles are connected to the internet.
[1:23:13] So your automobile is being tracked all the time.
[1:23:16] When you're going under a string of smart LED calls and smart LED lights on the highway
[1:23:22] and in the speaks of your thoughts and cities, those form a wireless network and our practicality
[1:23:27] of the vehicle, they are tracking all the devices on you from smartphones, smartphones,
[1:23:33] and you're working on the streets.
[1:23:35] So data I think collected 24-7 continuously on every human being whenever you are within these wireless
[1:23:42] networks.
[1:23:43] And it's obviously not good for health also, because of all the electromagnetic radiation.
[1:23:49] In the long term, the plan is pretty much lock up, humanity in smart cities, which is kind of a super set of a 15-minute city.
[1:24:00] They've sold all the states and local governments and countries that smart cities are about sustainability and the good of the city.
[1:24:10] But in reality, the language from the UN and WDS and their white papers is all inverted.
[1:24:16] So, their monitoring is really about limiting mobility and no car ownership, but surveillance,
[1:24:25] control via LED grid is why the smart lighting is there.
[1:24:29] Water management is about more rationing, noise pollution is about speech surveillance,
[1:24:34] traffic monitoring is about limiting mobility and then, of course, energy,
[1:24:39] conservation is all about rationing, heat electricity and gasoline.
[1:24:43] Another concept one should be familiar with is called geo-fencing and that's think of it as an invisible fence around you
[1:24:52] Where you cannot go beyond the certain point and that will be related to your face recognition this slide entity and access control your smart
[1:25:01] Okay. If you can cut it off there. Thank you.
[1:25:08] Next speaker's Andy, followed by Gerald Tanksley, and then great young.
[1:25:19] I have so much and I hope
[1:25:20] I get some of it in what I want, but for anyone who has not recognized it, how the abusive government,
[1:25:29] I'll just start out with this. Many abusive governments have come into power not by force,
[1:25:35] but with small steps, slow drips, like water on the stove, slowly heating up.
[1:25:41] When you give an inch to evil intentions, that inch quickly becomes a mile before you know it.
[1:25:49] Teranical governments often come into power gradually, initially, presenting themselves as
[1:25:55] protectors of the people. Plato described this process noting that a tyrant typically emerges
[1:26:01] as a champion whom the people support in nurture, appearing at first as a protector of their
[1:26:07] interests.
[1:26:08] I literally was listening to this guy over here, bragging that they gave tickets to
[1:26:15] people that were sleeping, not harming anybody, and what you're seeing now is in case any
[1:26:22] of you have missed the government of the old days of slavery or in case you miss Nazi Germany
[1:26:28] and you wanted to be there when they were attacking the Jews and killing all the Jews or killing
[1:26:33] and slaving all the blacks in the beginning, well they've got you focus on the new people
[1:26:38] to attack hate and blame for all of your troubles and that's the homeless or the vehicle dwellers.
[1:26:46] They're just so powerful with their psychological operations just like what they did in 2020.
[1:26:52] And they have you believing that the homeless are a threat.
[1:26:57] So first, little by little, they're stealing your tax dollars by ticketing you like crazy
[1:27:02] with everything, pushing everyone into poverty, and then blaming these people for daring
[1:27:08] to be poor and homeless and treating them like dirt.
[1:27:13] So in case you miss the U.S. government and the blacks and slavery and what they did at
[1:27:18] time. In case you miss Nazi Germany, you're here. You're living it in the present. That's the homeless.
[1:27:26] Thank you.
[1:27:32] So Gerard or Gerald Tanksley?
[1:27:39] All right, we'll move to Greg Young,
[1:27:41] followed by Dave Dean, and then we're all Villamar.
[1:27:46] Thank you. I'm Greg Young,
[1:27:50] I'm 231 Crest Drive. I'm supposed to give that a believe. I am here to ask about security for
[1:27:55] a special election on November 5th.
[1:27:59] What has been our nation's recent history of voter intimidation?
[1:28:05] Now with enhanced immigration enforcement, what if ICE was to show up?
[1:28:12] Are we prepared for the escalation of intimidation this could bring?
[1:28:19] What does it mean if they do, with ICE's ability to detain someone because of the way
[1:28:24] They act, speak, or look, regardless of citizenship, would we be able to assure that they
[1:28:30] are able and willing to vote?
[1:28:33] Would ICE presence alone say in a park vehicle be intimidation?
[1:28:39] Should there be a nonpartisan observers of the voting area beyond the 25-foot distance from
[1:28:46] the polling place?
[1:28:48] What would their scope of action be?
[1:28:51] What regulations would observers need to follow?
[1:28:56] And if the nonpartisan observer sees voter intimidation,
[1:29:01] beyond the 25-foot distance of the polling place,
[1:29:04] what responses would be advised?
[1:29:07] What is the city of insinitous policy and protocol
[1:29:10] if and when voter intimidation is evident?
[1:29:14] Would the response be different if the intimidation is from ice?
[1:29:20] I ask you to seriously consider these questions than ask yourselves.
[1:29:25] Should we, incidentous residents, use the answers to these questions to guide us in being
[1:29:31] nonpartisan observers to protect our ability to vote without threat or intimidation?
[1:29:37] I respectfully ask that we follow up one week from today at the next council meeting to
[1:29:43] hear your replies.
[1:29:44] Thank you.
[1:29:45] And so with oral comments, we can't respond here tonight because it wasn't on the agenda and quite frankly we can't respond next week because the agenda came out today for next week, but you can we can refer you to staff and then talk to you.
[1:30:03] Good evening, Dave Dean, and I would like to say a few things about the rock garden.
[1:30:11] Thank you, Jennifer, and Jim for your help this week. The things we talked about, so I appreciate that.
[1:30:19] I also wanted to share a story with you. I was working in the garden this week, and a man came up and he said,
[1:30:25] you day, I said, yes, I am. He said, I want to tell you, I left the country in 2017 and started
[1:30:32] traveling the world. And I've lived in 54 different countries since then, and he was working
[1:30:40] with Down syndrome children around the world. And he said, you know, I've traveled the world and
[1:30:47] nowhere in this world, have I seen more positive vibes than a community garden than you have
[1:30:53] So that was just an amazing and touching story to the people of this community, the citizens, and the spirit of
[1:31:03] Insanitas.
[1:31:05] So, one day, share that with you.
[1:31:06] It made me feel good.
[1:31:07] And I think the citizens should be proud of their spirit here in Insanitas too.
[1:31:12] Thank you.
[1:31:16] Next, next is all Villamar, followed by Scott Campbell, Melissa Sharbarth, and then Lucy Salomon.
[1:31:25] My name is Rolville, I'm our own, and I need his barbers.
[1:31:29] My dad opened it in 1980, my older brother, my younger brother, my tuned-ass use, my brother's
[1:31:36] girl, and my adopted niece, we all work at the barber shop.
[1:31:40] We're still having params with a parking.
[1:31:43] We have all these people walking in, talking about the parking, and they're not coming
[1:31:47] in because of the parking.
[1:31:48] They only come in once in a while.
[1:31:50] I look around and I see all these people that are nice and groomed.
[1:31:53] The gentleman, the gentleman that came in from the beer garden once said that they said that
[1:32:01] a lot of people like to come in and have a nice dinner and some drinks, a lot of people
[1:32:06] like to come in and get groomed, you know, haircuts.
[1:32:10] A lot of people like to get their outfits done, a Mrs. Miss Kims.
[1:32:15] A lot of people like to get their cars worked on, all the neighborhood around the corners.
[1:32:19] They have enough automotive places to get fixed.
[1:32:21] They can't find parking.
[1:32:23] These people that have the restaurants are on my block from from from East Street, from
[1:32:30] D Street to all the way to F Street. It's all downtown or all blocked. We don't have
[1:32:35] no parking unless what they complain about. I've been told that they're going to have some
[1:32:40] meetings coming up. I would like to begin informed to see when those meetings are coming up.
[1:32:44] So I can speak. I have videos. I have hundreds of pictures and stuff like that on it. From
[1:32:50] 9 a.m. To 5 p.m. There's nobody. I go home at 5 p.m. There's nobody. I come in at 9 in the morning.
[1:32:56] There's nobody. It's starting to get cold now. It's going to be and people are going to be
[1:33:00] inside. What about the outside? Nobody's going to be outside. I wish we could talk about it, give me
[1:33:07] some more time so I can because I have tons of pictures. You know, you folks are all nice and
[1:33:11] groomed and haircuts. You know, and I hope you guys come in to my shop sit there and I'll bring
[1:33:18] If you want, just you can sit there and look at all the people that are complaining about the parking.
[1:33:24] Thank you.
[1:33:34] Didn't know what to do this.
[1:33:36] Okay, so my name is Scott Campbell, and I live in Anthony's District 1.
[1:33:40] And I'm also a public spokesperson for Anthony Assistant Review Panel.
[1:33:46] First thing, I request the Council to provide a report on the status of the 100 municipal violations that we heard about earlier.
[1:33:56] Maybe next week or in a couple weeks, that's fine.
[1:33:59] I have a quick comment about the streets, the street cleaning, there's going to be cleaning
[1:34:05] up the trees and stuff, it's like we blowers our vacuum.
[1:34:09] But we have a presentation and at my house, I've got an all this literature from the state,
[1:34:18] and I asked the Council to make a resolution, a proclamation about voting no proposition 50.
[1:34:25] Back in 2022, actually like three years ago, this council supported abortion, and there
[1:34:35] was 78 people that showed up against it, and two people supported it, and yet they voted
[1:34:40] five, zero.
[1:34:41] So, there is precedent for the council to do this kind of stuff, and make proclamations
[1:34:46] on state initiatives.
[1:34:49] So I actually made a sample for you to help this process, and maybe you can be a vote
[1:34:55] on this today. Basically, the state, naturally, not the state.
[1:35:00] I don't care about the state. Three of the people in this council ran on local control. And the state is trying to take this away. And I ask the council to assert local control and not allow the state to stop on us so easily. I have this, you know, this ballot here is is really easy to do. You can just add to your names, assign it and you can do this next week. You could probably do this tonight. And I'm going to keep under two minutes. Thank you.
[1:35:31] Following Melissa, is Lucy Solomon, Richard Solomon, and then Beth Whittaker?
[1:35:37] Good evening. First on behalf of safe streets in Sanitus, we want to thank the city
[1:35:41] for generously carving out time to build a relationship with our group. We have been welcomed
[1:35:47] by many of you including city staff, council members, and the sheriff department. Captain Watts,
[1:35:53] we appreciate your commitment.
[1:35:56] This evening, I want to share information about the first safe streets in
[1:36:00] need us community event taking place at the ins need of community park from 10 a.m. to 12 p.m.
[1:36:06] This will be a chance to connect with neighbors, share ideas, and learn about local safety
[1:36:10] efforts that can save lives. We have speakers, a silent auction, Emory Gear created by 101
[1:36:17] Republic available to order, and of course, kids are welcome. A final thank you to councilman
[1:36:24] shape for, uh, sorry, Councilman Marco San Antonio for creating banners for our event.
[1:36:29] We hope to see you there.
[1:36:37] I'm not Lucy Solomon.
[1:36:39] I'm Richard Solomon.
[1:36:39] My wife had to go home.
[1:36:41] I'm here because in a radical that was in the San Diego paper keeping the lights on for the
[1:36:49] La Paloma and I really want to throw my weight into support supporting this.
[1:36:55] I've lived there for 40 years.
[1:36:57] The La Paloma is the heart and soul of downtown in Sanitas.
[1:37:02] It's been our date night for four years, dinner and a movie.
[1:37:07] It's been great.
[1:37:08] I saw Leon Russell there.
[1:37:10] I saw George Winston there.
[1:37:12] I saw the Miami sound machine there.
[1:37:14] Bill Murray's been there.
[1:37:16] It's just a very important part of in Sanitas.
[1:37:20] And I can give a little story.
[1:37:21] Before moving here, I moved to Manhattan Beach.
[1:37:23] Manhattan Beach had its own lapeloma, the Lamar, a theater in downtown Manhattan Beach that was just
[1:37:30] just like the lapeloma.
[1:37:32] It's gone.
[1:37:33] It's been gone now for over 30 years.
[1:37:36] It's a commercial building now.
[1:37:37] It's actually owned by Sketchers.
[1:37:39] Sketchers owns all of downtown and here in Beach now.
[1:37:42] It's just the lapeloma.
[1:37:43] It's just so important.
[1:37:45] I mean, we have poetry slams there.
[1:37:47] We've got faith-based programs there.
[1:37:50] We've got children's programs, surfing movies.
[1:37:52] I mean, this is a surfing community.
[1:37:54] They have major sprung surfing premieres at the La Paloma.
[1:37:59] The city needs to support it.
[1:38:01] I'd like to see a commission started by the city
[1:38:06] for the renovation improvement of the La Paloma.
[1:38:09] I had no idea it was owned by Alan.
[1:38:11] I thought it was owned by a Chinese company
[1:38:12] and it was somebody outside the city.
[1:38:15] And I just think it's just a very important part
[1:38:18] of inceneetuses, who we are, and what people know about.
[1:38:22] It's been there since 1936, 38.
[1:38:25] It's come on, we can't lose it.
[1:38:27] It's just got to be improved.
[1:38:28] It's got to be made even better than it is.
[1:38:31] Thank you.
[1:38:33] And I can't respond, I can't respond,
[1:38:37] others say it was 1928, so in two years,
[1:38:40] it's the 100th anniversary.
[1:38:42] There is a group, contact me, and we'll get you involved.
[1:38:45] Thank you.
[1:38:50] Beth Whitaker, Beth will be followed by Jeremy Ross,
[1:38:55] Diana Cufflow, and then Elena Thompson.
[1:39:00] Hello, I have two things to talk about.
[1:39:03] I might only get to one, but if I don't get to the second,
[1:39:06] I know someone else will.
[1:39:07] So I live right next to here, and I want to talk about quiet zone,
[1:39:13] because there's funding opportunity that we would need to move on very quickly.
[1:39:18] And I hope I get this right.
[1:39:20] So the Federal Railroad Administration's National Railroad Partnership,
[1:39:24] the NRPP is now open. This program prioritizes grade crossing safety projects and has a deadline
[1:39:31] of January 7th. The city is already identified approximately 13.4 million in required
[1:39:37] quiet zone safety upgrades at D Street and East Street and Locadia Boulevard. And this is exactly
[1:39:42] the type of project that the NRPP is designed to fund. We request, along with all of the other
[1:39:49] 100 people that live right there and many others that have trouble sleeping through the train.
[1:39:55] I love it here. I can see the ocean, but I also can hear the train.
[1:40:00] And we have to, it's quite disruptive, but I still absolutely love it here. Even if this doesn't happen, but I very much want it to happen.
[1:40:08] Please direct staff to submit the NRPP application for SNES quiet zone improvements, pursue the FRA railroad crossing elimination program in parallels to fund any remaining planning and environmental review or design work, and coordinate immediately with CPUC, Cal Trans, and SCTD, so that the application is complete and competitive.
[1:40:30] Please don't miss this chance to move this project forward that has been a long time coming, and I will just say that I am horrified yet again by the ice raids picking up hardworking neighbors in a brutal and inhumane way. Nothing ever happens to the very wealthy privileged people who hire
[1:40:50] who don't want to pay fair wages,
[1:40:52] who don't want to pay union workers,
[1:40:54] so they hire people who are at risk.
[1:40:57] The system is built to have these people in our community
[1:41:00] and they are peaceful.
[1:41:01] These are our neighbors.
[1:41:03] Thank you.
[1:41:04] And I think staff may have a comment.
[1:41:08] Just to let the public know,
[1:41:09] item 10B on next week's agenda is to talk about
[1:41:13] rail projects for funding, for Council to consider.
[1:41:25] Good evening.
[1:41:25] would like to share a couple of videos from Entenidas, California today, Wednesday, October
[1:41:31] 15,
[1:41:34] 2025.
[1:41:45] This was right off of Entenidas Boulevard, if everyone could please watch it, the next one
[1:41:51] has sound.
[1:42:02] You're looking at a masked gunman with a stun gun and one of our neighbors,
[1:42:40] next one,
[1:42:44] please.
[1:42:44] Tell them on this, please.
[1:42:46] This is just outside that community.
[1:42:49] Right on Entenitis Boulevard.
[1:42:57] These are masks on men running across multiple lanes of traffic in front of our cars,
[1:43:02] hunting down our neighbors.
[1:43:18] If anyone in this community is comfortable with these tactics,
[1:43:21] destroying our families, taking parents away from our children,
[1:43:26] please raise your hand and support.
[1:43:32] I just asked anyone to raise their hands if they were supportive of these types of actions in our city.
[1:43:43] The next speaker is Diana Kutlo, followed by Elena Thompson, and then Gerard Tanksley.
[1:43:52] And just to, is it beeping three times like it normally does?
[1:43:57] Miss that.
[1:44:00] Good evening.
[1:44:00] Good evening.
[1:44:00] Let's see each other.
[1:44:02] Let me order please.
[1:44:05] Thank you, my dear viewers.
[1:44:07] Deputy Mayor Lines.
[1:44:08] Members of the Council.
[1:44:09] I'm Diana Kutlo representing Senator Blake's beer.
[1:44:11] this evening. First, I'm pleased to announce that the senator was one of only a few senators
[1:44:16] who were able to secure funds from the state budget for projects in District 38. This year,
[1:44:21] the senator secured a total of $7 million, including $1,670,000 for the county of San Diego's
[1:44:29] homeless prevention land-lord assistance program, which is used here in Inceditus. This program encourages
[1:44:35] landlords to rent, to low-income families, veterans, and people experiencing homelessness by offering
[1:44:41] financial incentives and support services that promote housing stability and independent living
[1:44:46] for vulnerable residents. Other projects are received rewards in Solana Beach, Oceanside,
[1:44:52] Mission Viejo, and San Juan Capustrano. And now that the October 12th deadline has passed for the
[1:45:00] Report that five of Senator Blake Spears bills were passed. On housing, Senate SB92 was signed, closing a loophole,
[1:45:07] so developers cannot use distanced ebonus laws for hotel projects like the turquoise tower in Pacific
[1:45:14] Beach. The density bonus law is intended to provide affordable housing, much needed affordable housing,
[1:45:20] and not be exploited to build luxury hotel rooms. Also, notably, the Senator voted against
[1:45:27] SB-79, which allows more dense development around heavily traveled transit stops.
[1:45:33] Although it passed, it does not look like it will currently apply to insinitous.
[1:45:38] The governor signed SB-477, which enables the civil rights department to be more effective in housing discrimination issues.
[1:45:46] This legislation will strengthen California civil rights law, which has been a model for the nation.
[1:45:51] This week, the governor held a the senator held a press conference in light beach to mark the signing of SB 403, which will make California's end of life option act permanent.
[1:46:02] I'd like to thank Anthony to staff for being so responsive as we plan that event.
[1:46:07] And lastly, thank you.
[1:46:09] Solar tax exclusion bill.
[1:46:11] Thank you.
[1:46:11] Thank you.
[1:46:12] Thank you.
[1:46:13] This next.
[1:46:18] No.
[1:46:19] You're good.
[1:46:19] And then one more time, Gerard.
[1:46:23] Okay.
[1:46:26] So with that we move on to report from closed session.
[1:46:32] Is it a comment or okay.
[1:46:35] In closed session the city council voted five to zero to terminate our city attorney contract
[1:46:41] with Jones mayor within 45 days and proceed with selecting an interim city attorney.
[1:46:48] So, that is our report out from our closed session.
[1:46:53] Number, say, number seven, we'll move on to changes to agenda, or the any changes to the agenda.
[1:46:59] There are no changes to the posted agenda, and then moving to the consent calendar.
[1:47:04] Let's see, items 8D, 8E, 8F, 8J, 8K, and 8L, have been removed from the consent calendar.
[1:47:14] Okay, and I say E and F where we move by council member O'Hara and the others are removed by the public.
[1:47:21] Okay, and are there any others that anybody wants to pull?
[1:47:28] So I think I will look to entertain a motion for E G 8 H 8 I and 8 M and 8 A B and C.
[1:47:43] Oh, an A B and C, yes, sorry.
[1:47:45] so moved approval second okay we have a motion in a second and
[1:47:56] call the question
[1:48:01] motion carries unanimously it takes us to item eight D okay and is it a member of
[1:48:10] the public and council member O'Hara okay and so do is the member of the public and
[1:48:20] Okay, so go forward with a staff report and assume that's okay.
[1:48:31] Okay.
[1:48:47] Good evening, Mayor.
[1:48:48] Council members and members of the public.
[1:48:52] My name is Arizo Heckman, I associate traffic engineer.
[1:48:56] And this item is regarding the installation of proposed guard rail at the North Coast Highway 101 and a portal roundabout.
[1:49:10] So a quick background on this item, so we had a number of collisions following implementation of roundabout, which installed video.
[1:49:18] a three-scale project, so a staff review with the collision records and conducted a three-of-alvation
[1:49:27] to identify the potential improvements at this location.
[1:49:35] During the and the proposed design presented to City Council and in June 2025, City Council approved
[1:49:46] the plans and designs for the installation of boilers,
[1:49:50] rambles strips and additional signage including rectangular rapid flashing
[1:49:55] becomes a dislocation.
[1:50:05] So following this approval,
[1:50:11] your evaluation of the previously proposed boilers by the appointed
[1:50:16] city engineer has determined that a more effective solution exists for improving safety at round
[1:50:25] out, and because the ballers create fixed object hazards for vehicles, so as an alternative,
[1:50:35] staff proposed the installation of guardrail at this location.
[1:50:43] And here in this slide you can see the collision history, so out of 19 from early 2023 to August
[1:50:53] 2024, out of 1918 was nighttime collision, 12-D-U-I related collisions, six speed-related
[1:51:04] collisions, two-hit and run, one-improper turn, 10-fix objects, five crossover round
[1:51:11] and for an includes for injury collisions.
[1:51:19] In this slide, you can see the project location,
[1:51:25] so the proposed guardrail will be installed on the south
[1:51:28] west corner and north east corner of the roundabout.
[1:51:38] Here, in this slide, basically is a mockup of the proposed guardrail,
[1:51:47] at this location showing the material and how basically it will look.
[1:52:00] We have this type of guardrails at the north, about 250 feet north of the intersection.
[1:52:11] So this is an example of the guardrail that you're proposing.
[1:52:18] And that concludes my presentation.
[1:52:21] Thank you.
[1:52:21] OK.
[1:52:22] And Jim, would you like to go before or after public comments?
[1:52:27] OK.
[1:52:30] I was just wondering, just for clarification, we will.
[1:52:33] When you say 18 nighttime accidents, we're able to secure the time of day of the
[1:52:38] all of those accidents.
[1:52:40] Yeah, absolutely.
[1:52:41] Great question.
[1:52:42] So from those 19 incidences, 17 were between the hours of 8pm and 5am, predominantly between
[1:52:54] about 10pm and 2am. Two of them of the 19 were between 7pm and 8pm. The majority of
[1:53:04] those were Friday and Saturday night incidences.
[1:53:09] Okay, that was a pretty sure you're tracking that down for me.
[1:53:12] Thank you.
[1:53:13] Okay, with that, we'll call public.
[1:53:15] Yes.
[1:53:16] Oh, I'm sorry.
[1:53:17] They're being made lines.
[1:53:18] I saw one there and I didn't.
[1:53:21] I have a question of clarification too.
[1:53:23] We've looked at this a lot of different times.
[1:53:25] I'm talking about it in detail.
[1:53:28] The prior proposal also had some other improvements, like additional signage.
[1:53:33] And the lit crosswalk is the, is this proposal just meant to indicate the substitution
[1:53:45] of the guardrail for the bullets, but everything else is still, yes, and the other part
[1:53:50] is actually the construction is underway and is anticipated to be completed by
[1:53:55] within two weeks. Thank you. Okay, with that, we'll go to public.
[1:54:01] So you have three speakers, Melissa Sharbar, Elena Thompson, and then Rick Smith.
[1:54:11] Hello, again, speaking on behalf of Safe Streets and Sinitis,
[1:54:15] we're focused on ensuring that pedestrian, cyclists, and driver safety
[1:54:18] are always at the forefront of decision-making in our city.
[1:54:22] We want the city to address the real issues and
[1:54:25] need is driving under the influence, distracted driving, and speeding. The guardrails proposed for the 101
[1:54:31] roundabout would be paid for out of the safe routes to school budget. We feel that this 60k would
[1:54:38] be better used in other areas like enforcement, red light cameras, speed cameras, and infrastructure
[1:54:44] changes. These are mitigations that we feel will truly make ins need a safer. Thank you.
[1:54:57] Good evening. Thank you, Elena Thompson.
[1:55:00] So I think this is a terrible idea, frankly speaking. I live in Lucadia and actually we have been waiting for the streetscape to be completed now.
[1:55:10] It's about nine years late in getting finished. And we've been extra anxious to see those guardrails removed as part of the streetscape.
[1:55:18] So no one wants guardrails any longer. Those were invoked back in the forties when we didn't have the i5 and people were speeding on the 101, the only northwest highway.
[1:55:29] So, as the last speaker said, and I totally agree with, we need to really address the root causes of the issues that we have.
[1:55:36] And particularly that 17 of these DUIs are between 8 AM or excuse me, 8 PM and 5 AM, the fact is the root causes are drunk driving.
[1:55:47] And Sanitus has become the PB of North County, and that's a fact and really unfortunate.
[1:55:53] Cannabis use is a problem with three dispensaries on our highway 101, distracted driving, people texting, and then speeding.
[1:56:02] This is what the statistics point to.
[1:56:05] So to put up ugly guardrails and take away the beauty of our streetscape is really a bad idea.
[1:56:12] So, I would commend the sheriff team for their stepped up enforcement and encourage more of that and send the message that
[1:56:21] Encinatus is not the place to be drunk because we're going to take it you and you're going to get thrown out of our town
[1:56:27] So, let's not resort to this. I think boulders were a better solution some aesthetic rock design if anything. Thank you.
[1:56:40] Okay.
[1:56:41] Oh, sorry, there's one more.
[1:56:43] And then we do have one speaker Molly Hintley and Registry and Opposition to the recommended
[1:56:47] action, but does not much to speak.
[1:56:52] My name is Rick Smith.
[1:56:53] I own the property at 396, North Coast Highway 101.
[1:56:59] I see the pictures of the ballards and everything, so I came down to date, I came down
[1:57:04] to the Katie Boulevard, turned south on 101.
[1:57:08] Maybe about halfway down, there's some of the ballards in front of a tree.
[1:57:11] And then there's maybe one more ballad, then you get down by the surfboard shop and there's more ballads there on trees that's the only thing.
[1:57:21] When you come down the other way in front of the panic and then everything, there's no ballads.
[1:57:25] So you have 75 to 100 people sitting 20 feet from the streets drinking coffee and there's no ballads.
[1:57:33] I sit there more than anybody in this room every day looking at that.
[1:57:37] By the time we get the yield of traffic in this circle and everything, I'm all for a more aesthetic pleasing.
[1:57:45] This is part of the leukemia entrance.
[1:57:49] And I said, can you make it look better?
[1:57:51] And he goes, not really, that's not our job.
[1:57:54] Our job is engineering, putting something that's safe.
[1:57:57] Anything aesthetic, that's up to us.
[1:58:00] We have to put it in.
[1:58:01] That's not their concern.
[1:58:03] So hopefully we can come up with a plan.
[1:58:05] I know there's some light things, light boxes that people have put things on, plastics,
[1:58:12] stuff that was pretty, my shop. I have painted on the back, the things are more murals around
[1:58:17] if we can do something with that, but that would last. But seeing these rust belts in front of
[1:58:24] the Katie at last, I don't really like. Thank you. Ms. Mr. Smith, quickly. Ms. Smith,
[1:58:29] Rick, Rick, sorry.
[1:58:32] You said ballad, did you mean guardrails?
[1:58:34] Well, no, we had talked for a while about doing ballads, and then you
[1:58:38] look okay to think about putting sleeves over the ballads.
[1:58:41] We also talked about using braverwise ties.
[1:58:45] But that was the most expensive option, because we had to pour footings.
[1:58:48] Somewhere around here, they have done that, Delmar, wherever.
[1:58:52] But that was the most expensive thing.
[1:58:54] But aesthetically, it was very pleasing.
[1:58:58] Engineering is going to rule here, so I don't have a lot of choice.
[1:59:01] I just would like something that's appealing.
[1:59:04] Sorry.
[1:59:05] And when you're talking about ballads on the 101 driving down the road,
[1:59:09] those are ballads specifically, because there's, we also have pictures of
[1:59:13] guardrail on some of the locations you mentioned.
[1:59:16] I just want to make sure we're all talking in the same language.
[1:59:18] The only guardrail that I know from the Katie Boulevard,
[1:59:21] and it's an usable of art, is on the east side.
[1:59:24] There's no panic in all of the restaurants and we'll keep you blessed. There's there's nothing there.
[1:59:28] My shop does have ballots. There's one in front of the cars that pull in because one car
[1:59:33] back 40 years ago did go into the building. Then I put more in front of the windows.
[1:59:38] Then the city put more right at the start of the curve. Maybe four years ago a car hit it
[1:59:45] and he was going fast. It pressed into his is the right into the engine. But the battery just went like this
[1:59:52] about six inches. So when he's saying we have to have this ugly thing on there, that's extreme, that that's extreme.
[2:00:00] I understand safety. That's why I'm here pushing for the wind in the circle yield to the traffic and the rumble strips.
[2:00:08] So, thank you. I appreciate the clarification. Thank you. It's helpful. It's going to be a good discussion.
[2:00:13] Okay. That's it. Okay. And so, Deputy Mayor line's going first.
[2:00:19] Dan, would you pull up a visual of what the prior approved
[2:00:25] Bolard's solution was?
[2:00:29] And why, what's the difference in cost between that
[2:00:34] and the guardrail?
[2:00:36] Because it appears that we're saying that,
[2:00:41] because we're switching to guardrail,
[2:00:42] it's going to be $60,000 more.
[2:00:44] So, I want some clarification on that from you, please.
[2:00:51] Yeah, I apologize, Deputy Mayor.
[2:00:53] I do not have an exhibit that shows the previously approved ballards.
[2:00:59] Now, what I can do is I can try to describe them in my best ability.
[2:01:05] If you look at the picture, actually, I would say the bottom right.
[2:01:10] you can see ballers that are currently protecting the KDA glass.
[2:01:16] So the previously council approved direction was to install ballers that would have been very similar
[2:01:22] in nature to that with an offset of about three feet each. So three foot on center and those
[2:01:29] ballers would have a probably a wooden cover on them to give them a little bit more of an aesthetic look.
[2:01:36] Okay. Thank you. What about the cost that's being proposed?
[2:01:42] So the cost for those four ballards that were installed was roughly $60,000.
[2:01:52] The cost for what we are estimating for both of the guard rails is roughly $50,000.
[2:02:01] So we don't need any extra money.
[2:02:04] We are just saying that the guard derails are going to be a substitute for the ballards, the
[2:02:08] 60,000 should have already been in the contract.
[2:02:11] We won't need additional dollars, that's correct, and really the thing that is important
[2:02:18] here is, unfortunately, ballards are considered fixed objects in the transportation design
[2:02:24] world, those fixed objects cannot be located within the clear recovery zone of a vehicle.
[2:02:31] directly at the curb line is the clear recovery zone, so that is an extremely dangerous location
[2:02:37] to have fixed objects. We can have them away from the right away, or I say the edge of travel
[2:02:43] way, where we do in this picture at Locadia Glass, that's okay, but at the curb line is an extremely
[2:02:51] dangerous location from a health and safety standpoint for vehicles.
[2:02:56] And I'll just conclude with a comment.
[2:02:58] I really care about safety for the public, the driving public, the walking public, the
[2:03:04] biking public.
[2:03:05] So, I, you know, that's your primary job is to help us with safety.
[2:03:09] However, the aesthetics are imperative.
[2:03:13] We invest a lot in the aesthetics, especially through this part of the community where we
[2:03:18] have a lot of really recent improvements.
[2:03:22] I would really like to lean towards what we're hearing our constituents say that we want
[2:03:28] something more aesthetic and if there's another option for ballards where it would also then
[2:03:33] address the safety in a way that gets out of the clear zone that may be where I will lean.
[2:03:40] But I'll listen to what my colleagues have to say.
[2:03:42] Thank you.
[2:03:43] So I'll hop in next.
[2:03:45] I'm going to go back a little in the time and there used to be guardrails along parts of
[2:03:51] 101.
[2:03:52] They were not rusted.
[2:03:53] They were not the pentina, as it was called, and Jayce, if you want to hop in here, you may
[2:03:58] remember some of these discussions.
[2:04:00] It was actually a design choice 15, 20 years ago to go to the patina, rust covered replacements,
[2:04:10] they are that you see further up on 101.
[2:04:13] So I don't agree that the streetscape, which
[2:04:16] started 20 years ago, right?
[2:04:18] Honestly, it's morphed a little.
[2:04:20] It didn't start with that to take out the guardrails.
[2:04:23] It was actually selected to put in the rusty ones
[2:04:26] and for whatever right or wrong.
[2:04:28] I wasn't up here, but I'm just saying
[2:04:30] I was in the meeting meeting room.
[2:04:32] And so I don't agree that it's necessarily
[2:04:35] a purpose up here to get rid of them.
[2:04:37] Dan, I think you hit on the difference between a ballad or a rock, rock would be the same as putting a ballad right there on the edge, fixed object.
[2:04:45] That's exactly.
[2:04:46] It does not deflect a car, and I know in the traffic engineers, a previous testimony for us.
[2:04:53] His comment was, we need two ballads to stop a car. I can't one wouldn't do it, they would go through it.
[2:04:58] And so the purpose of a...
[2:05:00] Connected guardrail type structure is that it deflects them, and it may put damage all over that car, but it
[2:05:07] puts them back, keeps them in the roadway, so to speak, bumper car, if you will. That's really the functional purpose.
[2:05:13] Whatever structure goes there, it should be a deflector structure, not a fixed object to use the terminology of a traffic engineer,
[2:05:24] so.
[2:05:25] Yeah, and I actually think it's a better approach.
[2:05:28] I think for the very reason you just gave what we're concerned about is people and on a straight
[2:05:36] away, it's much, much less of a problem, which is why you don't see guardrails all along
[2:05:41] southbound, but where you suddenly put them into a traffic circle where the car has to negotiate
[2:05:47] right and then back left, that's where we've seen the traffic history, the accident history
[2:05:53] shows that we have problems, especially in the northbound, and especially three quarters of
[2:05:58] them, my recollection are due to drunk driving. And as you heard tonight from Captain
[2:06:02] Watts, we are absolutely focusing on drunk driving and enforcement. He told you about that's
[2:06:08] what we're using the two new traffic enforcement force. So we will do that. It's not even
[2:06:13] negotiable. But that said, we still want to make the structure safe because whatever we do,
[2:06:19] whatever this group does up here, we will make it safer.
[2:06:22] We will not make it less safe.
[2:06:24] And so I actually support this recommendation.
[2:06:26] I thought that the ballards were a very expensive target object.
[2:06:31] And every time they get hit, they have to get replaced.
[2:06:34] This, I think you're getting more glancing blows and re-directions.
[2:06:38] It'll get a little, the patina will get scraped up.
[2:06:41] And a car will definitely get scraped up.
[2:06:44] So I'm supportive of this approach.
[2:06:46] I'm open to other ideas if they will deflect cars rather than stopping them.
[2:06:53] But I want to go a step further and I appreciate the fact that we talked about all the
[2:06:57] other fixes, the rumble strips, the signage.
[2:07:00] I wanted to make sure and I looked at our other traffic circles in particular the ones on
[2:07:05] the Katie Boulevard.
[2:07:07] At each entry there is a one-way sign and a black and white, one-way sign and a black
[2:07:13] and white Chevron sign.
[2:07:15] And I think that's part of the reason we've had a huge increase, a thousand percent, a three orders of magnitude increase in traffic accident at this intersection since going to the roundabout.
[2:07:28] If you drive it at night, it's dark.
[2:07:30] And you don't notice that you need to go around something.
[2:07:33] So we need to just like we did it in the Katie Boulevard.
[2:07:36] I think we need to add that signage.
[2:07:38] I don't know if that's in the current plan.
[2:07:39] If not, I'd like to add it in tonight's recommendation.
[2:07:43] so if you'd like to respond. Yeah absolutely agreed and and those
[2:07:49] Chevron's are what we consider a standard uniform application at these
[2:07:54] roundabout so that would be perfect and perfect. And if you would I do have
[2:08:00] another potential suggestion for Council to to maybe deliberate tonight. We are
[2:08:07] installing these these new traffic enhancements in the next couple weeks
[2:08:11] meaning our additional signage and markings, we can take the next six months, see how
[2:08:20] the signage and markings are being adhered to by drivers, get six months of additional
[2:08:28] data, we have historic data, and that can give us a pretty good idea if the signage and
[2:08:34] striping that we are installing in the next couple of weeks are going to do the trick,
[2:08:38] or whether we really need to go out there with another device to ensure safety for a not only
[2:08:46] locating glass, but also pedestrians.
[2:08:49] Okay.
[2:08:50] Appreciate that.
[2:08:52] And I don't believe we currently have there's an RFB flashing light system at the crossing
[2:08:58] there.
[2:08:58] It's a very popular school crossing.
[2:09:02] I don't believe we currently have lights down in the street level.
[2:09:07] And is that something we could add, do you have an estimate about how much that would cost?
[2:09:12] There actually are streetlights or pedestrian.
[2:09:15] I mean, they're technically streetlights and roadway lights.
[2:09:19] But they're not the cobra overhead lights.
[2:09:22] Actually in the picture, the top left you can see.
[2:09:25] They're the acorn luminaires.
[2:09:28] So it is a lit intersection?
[2:09:31] No, no, I'm talking about the flashing or the RFV.
[2:09:34] So yeah, we're installing that as part of our signage and all the RRFBs I see in our town and I think most around
[2:09:42] Just have the two vertical signs and each with lights on it, but there are some options where you can actually put them in the roadway
[2:09:51] And I've talked to other mayors and they're talking about going that way because I've noticed and I've been out in front of SDA where there's an RF
[2:10:00] I've seen people almost get, people don't stop. They get past the the signage, past the your flashing lights, and they just keep going. And if it was in the roadway, a couple, three lights that for each crossing, that in road lighting, that's what I'm talking about. That that's always a potential. I would like to know how much that would cost and whether that's an additional safety enhancement on this very critical route to to and from school.
[2:10:30] on a very busy road. So, and I think that would make the RRFP far more safe even even a better
[2:10:37] enhancement. We can absolutely come back with a potential cost estimate for that. Okay.
[2:10:44] And with that, I will yield to Councilmember O'Hare.
[2:10:48] So, I want to pause from the subject because there's a lot in this item. The first thing
[2:10:54] want to point out is, I would like to in the future not see items that are voted on by council
[2:11:04] changed by staff and then put on a consent calendar. I think we need to provide transparency
[2:11:11] to our to our residents. This is not something we want to create a precedent of doing.
[2:11:20] So I think when Council makes a decision on something that we all have discussed twice now,
[2:11:28] it doesn't belong to come back to us on the consent calendar.
[2:11:32] We owe the public the time for us to have a discussion about it if it's going to come back to us three times.
[2:11:38] Okay, so I'm going to move on from that.
[2:11:41] I appreciate it listening and I know that that's not going to be a problem going forward.
[2:11:46] We have a couple of issues here.
[2:11:49] One of them is a DUI issue, I think Melissa spoke to that, and I think this is numbers speak to that.
[2:11:55] Majority of the accidents between 10 and 2 AM, 18 at night time, majority of which are DUI related.
[2:12:05] This is not a school hour time issue. This is a DUI issue.
[2:12:13] I'm speaking for the Council, but I know we are along with the Sheriff's Department dedicated
[2:12:19] to continuing to work forward to address that issue in the city, in multiple ways, with
[2:12:24] the help of the city staff, and it is a prong of this specific intersection where these
[2:12:30] incidences are, I would say, directly related if that's too much on our statement to DUI's.
[2:12:36] And it falls in us to continue to work.
[2:12:39] You saw the numbers sitting are improving and where our Sheriff is doing a fantastic job
[2:12:43] and we're going to continue to better.
[2:12:45] We're going to do better next time with the budget around to find more ways to support
[2:12:47] them and support this community in this issue.
[2:12:51] I know the city staff and COVID enforcement are also working on it.
[2:12:54] But I think that is one of the issues with this intersection specifically.
[2:13:01] So, the intersection itself,
[2:13:08] again, we voted twice in this intersection.
[2:13:09] and it came back last time we voted for the statics myself
[2:13:13] in Council, Deputy Mayor Lines, I'm sorry.
[2:13:17] Really pushed this subject and Council was grateful
[2:13:20] that Council support us in that.
[2:13:24] I still stand by that.
[2:13:25] Can we bring out the picture of the intersection
[2:13:28] with the guardrail, if it weren't, there we go.
[2:13:32] So, we had cyclists in here talking about safe spaces.
[2:13:39] If you're in your bike, and I've witnessed this, I was at Panic and I'm at the Louvre,
[2:13:42] Louvre's director of the day, I watched multiple go through this very intersection,
[2:13:47] just yesterday, and there were issues where cyclists and cars still don't know how to interact.
[2:13:55] For better, for worse, who's right and who's wrong doesn't matter.
[2:13:58] It's how the interact and what actually happens when they put the rubber to the road.
[2:14:02] When you put this up, what you provide is a space that when these cars and bicycles overlap
[2:14:07] next to each other, you leave nowhere for cyclists to go or then to get pinned against
[2:14:12] that guardrail.
[2:14:16] And I can't support that for safety purposes.
[2:14:21] I, for aesthetic purposes, I do think our solution last time was good, but I do also think
[2:14:28] follow back on previous conversation, which again was with a different engineer, which I very
[2:14:32] much appreciate. You're looking at this. I've since looked up whether we can put bolder
[2:14:37] there because we were told we couldn't because they would come, they would become flying objects
[2:14:42] for like a little way to put it if somebody hit them. Yeah. But I've met with other traffic engineers
[2:14:51] on the city since then and who tell me that that is not the case. I'll point at the intersection
[2:14:57] in the community of Rio, the roundabout community of Rio on St. Clemente.
[2:15:00] A several new port beach, San Juan Capustra, and also uses rocks in certain places to provide aesthetic safety.
[2:15:07] And the reason I stand back by this decision, and I want to ask the council to move forward to bring it back to either the original or the previously decided option or to explore putting rocks.
[2:15:18] That would provide spacing between the rocks for someone to bail out, should they need to.
[2:15:23] Um, most of these accidents are, um, DUIs when they deflect, they're probably just gonna hit
[2:15:28] something else.
[2:15:28] They're gonna bounce off the guardrail and they're gonna go across and hit on the, whatever's
[2:15:31] on the other side of the street.
[2:15:32] And I think we saw that, unfortunately, we saw that it shot a 101.
[2:15:36] He hit a, we don't have a police report, um, speculating him.
[2:15:40] But here's on one side of the street, he hit something, he went diagonally the other way across
[2:15:44] the street.
[2:15:45] Um, guardrail's on the whole thing.
[2:15:48] Um, so where are we gonna deflect them to?
[2:15:50] I think that's an important part of this that we're not looking at.
[2:15:53] We're looking at what's going to happen and I'm not going to progress.
[2:15:57] So I'm going to roll back to asking council to keep the decision we made previously,
[2:16:05] or to consider putting rocks in there because we can't have fixed those rocks to the ground
[2:16:10] correct.
[2:16:12] That's correct, yeah.
[2:16:13] Can't out of fix them and if they are too large, they would be considered a fixed object
[2:16:17] because they would not move with the collision of a vehicle.
[2:16:21] if somebody were to hit them.
[2:16:22] It's not the concern of a rock flying.
[2:16:25] The concern would be a car running directly into a folder,
[2:16:32] and then it's stopping completely in a tracks
[2:16:34] and then severely injuring.
[2:16:36] San Clement, didn't you have four pages in San Juan?
[2:16:38] Don't seem to have that concern.
[2:16:44] And I do think to many people's points
[2:16:47] that we have spent an exorbitant amount
[2:16:50] on street scape, and the aesthetic is part of it, so I think we have to do the priority of protecting
[2:16:58] a building like Located Glass. Obviously protecting our pedestrians, but I don't think a guard
[2:17:05] rail is the way to do it. I'm going to yield the floor from the moment.
[2:17:09] Council Member San Antonio.
[2:17:19] Really no. Right now. I mean, the guard rail that I've heard it several
[2:17:24] times as well about being pinned against those. That that would be a possibility. So for me
[2:17:30] that's kind of a no-go for me. Now you're not looking off for the cyclists and clearly one
[2:17:34] of one is used for quite a bit of cycling, whether they're going north or south. I might be just
[2:17:41] quite a bit myself back in my heyday.
[2:17:46] I guess, I mean, I understand that the patina is not
[2:17:53] likeable, but good people paint that to be a mural or, you know, they get pretty.
[2:18:00] But I do understand that I do understand what you're saying, Dan, but I understand we talked
[2:18:07] about this and that it is, you know, all the legal parts of it, well that it's in a,
[2:18:15] you know, in that part of the road,
[2:18:20] but, and Councilman of San Antonio, if I could, I know
[2:18:24] There's been both yourself and Councilmember O'Hara.
[2:18:28] You have mentioned the concerns about bicycles being trapped between a vehicle and the
[2:18:35] guardrail.
[2:18:35] One thing I did want to mention to you guys, for this particular roundabout, we actually do have
[2:18:41] bicycle ramps.
[2:18:42] So if you look at the top left picture, that ramp is for bicyclists to actually utilize
[2:18:50] of the sidewalk and share the sidewalk with pedestrians. And then they're able to exit, if you
[2:18:55] look at the bottom right picture, that ramp exits them back to the bicycle.
[2:19:05] It's just tough
[2:19:06] because the span, you know, the span next cruise. And just wanted to make it clear because that
[2:19:10] was something that I didn't make clear to you guys during briefings. So I want you to understand that
[2:19:17] casual writer is likely to utilize the bike ramp, so that was just one piece of information
[2:19:23] one you guys have.
[2:19:25] Yeah, and I do understand that I'm a majority of the absence are in the late late night
[2:19:29] early morning,
[2:19:34] but it's a tough one.
[2:19:35] So try to do the best for the city.
[2:19:38] I'll just I'll yield for right now.
[2:19:39] Okay, Deputy Mayor Lines.
[2:19:40] Thank you.
[2:19:41] This is really informative.
[2:19:42] So thanks Dan.
[2:19:44] I'm going to ask a question about safety and then I'm going to lean in on the aesthetics.
[2:19:50] So can you remind me what the speed limit is here on the section of the 101?
[2:19:58] I believe it's 25 miles an hour.
[2:20:00] That's what I thought. So good. I got your support for that. Given the speed, I know the
[2:20:11] clear zone is a smaller clear zone. So I also believe that a curb changes the need for a broader
[2:20:22] clear zone. So we've got a curve on on one side and I think that's the side where we have
[2:20:29] the most concern.
[2:20:33] That's where we were originally showing the bullets. So because we've got 25 miles
[2:20:40] an hour as there's been them. If people are going that and we're going to enforce it then and we
[2:20:46] have a curb, correct? Yeah, we do. That kind of lowers my concern for risk here and safety
[2:20:55] in that I would like to defer back to the bullets that we had for the aesthetic reasons. We
[2:21:03] really fated that carefully and I felt like we got a lot of concurrence that that was the right
[2:21:09] approach. So it's a little bit of, yeah, we are understanding there may be vehicles that would
[2:21:18] go off the road, or at least there has been in the past. So the bullard would then stop the car.
[2:21:26] But it wouldn't do the things that I'm concerned on hearing like trapped the bicycles.
[2:21:31] So, I would like to put a motion forward that we go back to our initial approach with the
[2:21:41] bolers that were approved at the last time we heard this and also look into the
[2:21:47] pavement lights as recommended by the mayor for cost for addition to the project.
[2:21:55] Okay, Council Member Sefer. Thank you. Just to go back to the safety. If you look at
[2:22:01] You can pull up the trees down the road in the 100 years.
[2:22:06] So the reason that these are here is so you don't hit that tree.
[2:22:08] If you hit that tree, you deflect away the whole point of not the ballers and they can't
[2:22:13] be right there is when you hit it, you stop.
[2:22:16] And so this is not called a purpose, it's called an accident.
[2:22:19] And so when somebody goes through there and they have an accident, they have to make sure that
[2:22:23] we're trying to make this a safe as possible.
[2:22:25] And the deflection is possible.
[2:22:26] It's supposed to be 25 miles an hour.
[2:22:27] but we've just shown Captain Watson that not everybody's falling in the law.
[2:22:32] And so when that's the case, we have to make sure that an accident, not on purpose, an accident,
[2:22:37] doesn't happen to have a fatality which we've seen already happen.
[2:22:42] So I know we want pretty and aesthetic.
[2:22:45] I don't know if there's anything aesthetically pleasing that we can add to this to make it pretty.
[2:22:48] And I will say a bike can fall over that, but a car will deflect off that.
[2:22:53] So I will say that if we're going to be on our bikes,
[2:22:57] we're going to be doing this situation.
[2:23:00] I think it's apparent if you're going to be on your bike,
[2:23:02] you need to keep your head about you.
[2:23:03] You should probably not have your earphones in.
[2:23:06] You should probably be completely aware of what's going on around you,
[2:23:08] especially in the city right now.
[2:23:10] That's just where we are, which was different.
[2:23:13] It was different.
[2:23:14] It's not anymore, and there's more people coming in.
[2:23:17] So we can't do it for everything for all the time.
[2:23:20] And if you want all the time, we're going to be stuck
[2:23:23] home doing nothing like we were in COVID. That's basically where we're going to end up. So,
[2:23:27] from a sheer safety perspective, and that's what Dan is providing here, I can't say enough for
[2:23:32] what he's bringing back from a safety perspective. And so that for me is, I would go with the recommendation
[2:23:40] because that's what we've been sitting here talking about for the last, you know, for the entire time,
[2:23:44] you know, since Emory. We're talking about safety, let's talk, let's talk, let's talk Turkey,
[2:23:48] you know, let's talk the real stuff. And that's what we're here for. If it wants to look pretty,
[2:23:52] I think there's enough artists here in interviews to do something about making it look pretty.
[2:23:57] We've done it with the card of Cooke, go out there with some crayons and go put some crayons
[2:24:01] to work.
[2:24:02] Whatever you want.
[2:24:03] I mean, crazy crayons come on out.
[2:24:06] So the understanding here is, I appreciate what you've done here.
[2:24:12] I think that you brought back something that is appropriate and the reason again that that
[2:24:16] real is there is to protect you from a stopping, in spot, and dying period.
[2:24:22] You put a ballad on the edge, what Dan is trying to tell you is you hit that, you're dead.
[2:24:28] A bike hitting, you bite going through that, you need to tense up.
[2:24:31] If you've ever done extreme sports or anything like that, whenever you're in a spot, you
[2:24:35] need to have your wits about you if you're going to be riding on the road with cars, period.
[2:24:39] That is the responsibility of every rider, not just the bike or the driver of a vehicle.
[2:24:45] So, if you're on a bike on the road, you gotta have your wits about you, you can't be on your
[2:24:50] spandex talking to your friend, do your thing, and then all of a sudden hit something
[2:24:52] and get pinched in and think that everybody else is the blame by yourself.
[2:24:57] So, I think this is a safety measure.
[2:25:00] I appreciate the safety matter. Thank you.
[2:25:04] Okay, council member, roll here.
[2:25:06] So I would have to, I don't actually think this is safer. That's why I oppose it.
[2:25:12] And I don't think we've seen anything tonight that's proven that it is ultimately a choice of safety.
[2:25:18] I think the good news is that these are all safe for them once they're right now.
[2:25:22] And they're all better for Mr. Smith's building.
[2:25:25] So we're not going to have a negative outcome here.
[2:25:28] We have more of a difference of opinions,
[2:25:30] but I'm not going to say that what they're putting in there is safer,
[2:25:33] because I don't believe it is.
[2:25:36] So I'm in a second council member.
[2:25:38] Sorry, Deputy Mayor Lyon's motion.
[2:25:40] I'm going to ask if I can make an amendment to it.
[2:25:42] If you consider it, letting staff,
[2:25:47] letting staff,
[2:25:50] compare ballers and rocks.
[2:25:52] I think they're the same concept.
[2:25:53] is that the use of one or the other versus they would both be considered the
[2:25:59] x-object so you can use. So if you'd be willing to consider that just so
[2:26:03] staff can have an option to look at and then we can finalize this. I would
[2:26:07] second your motion if you can put that amendment except that. Okay second
[2:26:18] Anything else?
[2:26:20] It's not all happened.
[2:26:22] So, yeah, and I actually, I love this a great discussion.
[2:26:26] And where I think we're all headed to safer, no matter what it is.
[2:26:30] And that's a good thing.
[2:26:31] I think Council Member Shafer hit on one of the points I kept thinking is that
[2:26:35] Bicycles won't get trapped between these.
[2:26:37] Bicycles go over it and actually permanently save them because they will go over the top
[2:26:43] in all likelihood, if they were sharing a lane, parallel was to go through.
[2:26:48] However, the other thing is I look at, and that is a shallow in there, first of all,
[2:26:53] we already said most of the accidents are at night, and so we're trying to push them back
[2:26:58] into the into the travel lane and keep them there, and I don't think that means they
[2:27:01] creamed to the opposite side, I mean, probably usually what I've seen out traffic is a
[2:27:06] scraper on the lane.
[2:27:08] So, the bicycles either won't be there because it's nighttime typically or they'll be in the bypass lane or they're in a share or where the car by law should be following them and the bicycle has full right to the road.
[2:27:23] So, you know, I'm open to anything that works and ultimately the option that I thought Dan you said maybe we could just let it sit.
[2:27:35] We could come back with a further discussion about
[2:27:39] Bollards versus rocks and the placement of where legally they can go next to a step curve.
[2:27:50] By the way, similar discussion to this occurred with the new composite
[2:27:55] Fencing along Rancho Santa Fe Road.
[2:27:58] And we were told that it had the 18 inches away.
[2:28:01] Well, I walked that a lot and where the gets narrow that suckers right at the edge of the curb.
[2:28:07] So, you know, I just, I think I would go one more friendly amendment, which is hold off on the actual installation of the ballards or rocks
[2:28:18] and come back and bring that decision here, go forward with all the other fixes you're already doing, including the lights
[2:28:25] or at least come back with the cost of the lights as the motion is on the table right now.
[2:28:30] And then we'll get a finalized decision, but I'm open to any one of those three and including waiting.
[2:28:40] But I do think that I don't think that the guardrail is a pinning feature, I think it is a
[2:28:48] reading, it will mess up a car, row bad, and they'll get a lesson from that, and it'll
[2:28:54] scrape up that patina, but it won't stop it dead in its tracks, which is actually something
[2:29:00] we're trying to do.
[2:29:01] And I would recommend not installing all of it, if that's going to be the question, whether
[2:29:09] we do, baller jerk, guard, rail, or nothing at all.
[2:29:13] So I would recommend that we just wait and look at the traffic data and not install the
[2:29:20] knowledge.
[2:29:21] And when you said baller, do you mean baller's or rocks, why don't we decide?
[2:29:24] Any fixed object I would recommend against.
[2:29:28] So I guess I'll offer if the motion maker and seconder will entertain it.
[2:29:36] I'd like to put what the engineer just said in add it to emotion is friendly amendment to so basically
[2:29:43] wait on the ballards until we get the cost of the lights until we see out operates and then come back to
[2:29:50] and get the trade-off of rocks versus the ballards and decide from there.
[2:29:54] Could I just repeat the motion that I have?
[2:29:57] Well, I could, could I just recommend?
[2:30:00] But that's actually an alternate motion that you made, because it would...
[2:30:05] Okay. Well, after all the amendments, and going back and forth, what I heard was directing
[2:30:12] staff to compare the use of the previously approved ballards with Woodford-Saud sleeves,
[2:30:18] versus the use of rocks, explore the cost of the in-road lighting, and then hold off
[2:30:25] installation until you return to Council with the results.
[2:30:31] Well, of course that would be the case, but it would be the only.
[2:30:33] But what I'm hearing our engineers say is that you would not support
[2:30:38] Bollards, so you would just not allow that to move forward.
[2:30:43] I will take direction from Seek Council, absolutely.
[2:30:47] But I recommend against installing Bollards at the edge of payment at the face of a curb
[2:30:53] where we have vehicles that are driving faster than about 10 miles an hour.
[2:31:03] So, so I can make it as an alternate motion.
[2:31:06] It's everything that the city clerk just, a substitute motion, sorry, that the clerk just said,
[2:31:14] anybody interested in seconding? Second. Okay. So we have a...
[2:31:18] And so your new motion is to delay until we get more information on how the intersection is functioning.
[2:31:24] Yes, and we get the information on the costs of the lights and I think maybe the city manager would like to hop in
[2:31:32] I just want to make sure again because I know that we took this with the cost of the ballards back in June
[2:31:37] So it sounds like Council is very supportive of in-ground lights because it does help with safety and crossing
[2:31:44] So just to thought if we already have budget allocation and authority we wouldn't have to come back for the lights to get so we'd have to come back
[2:31:50] But so if there's a way that depending on whatever motion happens, if we do want to
[2:31:56] delay or something, what I'd like to try to do is it sounds like we have authority because
[2:32:00] we already had money for the ballerge, as long as the in-ground lighting doesn't go past
[2:32:05] the budget capacity that you already did, we could at least do that, get that going, and
[2:32:10] then we could bring it back.
[2:32:11] So I just didn't want to have to bring two items back to Council.
[2:32:14] I would say just bring it back at the same time because we don't know the cost of the
[2:32:20] And if I knew if I had an idea that they were guaranteed under 50,000 to install in-ground
[2:32:26] lights with conduit and whatnot, it's going to probably be closer to about that $50,000
[2:32:33] range.
[2:32:34] And I mean, my preference, I think, just bring it back and we'll just finish this item
[2:32:41] up with the whole thing.
[2:32:44] So we don't have you doing what you're doing today because you're actually implementing something
[2:32:47] Now, and do yet another interim, if the cost is less than 50,000, and then do another, I'd rather
[2:32:54] just bring a bit.
[2:32:54] That's my preference.
[2:32:55] That's my motion.
[2:32:57] Can I just ask a quick question?
[2:32:58] Sure.
[2:32:59] Do we have to have both, if we do a guard rills, do you have to have the northbound guard rills
[2:33:04] well or just the southbound?
[2:33:09] So, no, we don't have to.
[2:33:11] So, the majority of the collision data is going that way.
[2:33:17] North East Quarter.
[2:33:19] So, that's the intent.
[2:33:21] You know, we are also trying to protect life and property
[2:33:25] on the southwest corner for, for, for, locating a glass.
[2:33:29] So, there is, you know, there are, there are two important locations,
[2:33:34] but, but again, no, we don't technically have to.
[2:33:38] Council member San Antonio.
[2:33:39] but they're a benefit that's on both of them as well.
[2:33:46] And this is a great chart showing how many of the Northbound are
[2:33:50] creating over the middle of the actual cross the circle.
[2:33:57] And that's where the signage that I was recommending,
[2:34:00] and I think as part of this, is that, I mean, it's kind of your standard approach now.
[2:34:05] I think that will help immensely to reduce significantly the night time people that completely miss and they're probably going too fast and they're probably inebriated
[2:34:18] But if we can get them to realize there's something in front of me, and I have to go around and we've done that at others and if we I think we could reduce the total number of accidents here and
[2:34:35] I got to step in and disagree.
[2:34:38] Somebody who's had one beer too many is not worried about a sign and they're not going to
[2:34:41] change their behavior.
[2:34:42] They're getting an accident because they're in U.B., and the data shows it beyond clearly.
[2:34:47] Yeah, and that's where the data would tell also whether we saw the accident rate now drop
[2:34:52] significantly after putting the sign in there.
[2:34:55] One's the last time you heard, oh, thank goodness the sign was there.
[2:34:58] Cut down the DUI.
[2:35:00] Just don't hear that, they're not looking for signs. I think maybe you're, so it's actually an impediment. Think of it as something in the circle.
[2:35:08] And I'm speaking specifically about the signs we use at, uh, not, not, not IGN, it's at, uh,
[2:35:17] Hermes, right, where, where each entry. And, and so, as you're driving up to it in the dark, you see a white,
[2:35:24] one way sign and Chevron's below it, and you know you have to
[2:35:29] veer right. And my thought is what's happening here, what's
[2:35:32] happening in the northbound, with slightly it, with the
[2:35:35] liberated drivers, apparently, is that they don't even realize
[2:35:38] they're coming into a circle. And they're just looking far beyond
[2:35:41] but a big white reflective sign would make them realize they have
[2:35:47] to, right, Mr. Mayor, I agree that in conjunction with other
[2:35:52] measures that we are incorporating as part of these improvements happening in the next couple
[2:35:57] weeks.
[2:35:58] I think it will definitely provide that advanced warning.
[2:36:04] Now, if somebody is so inebriated that they can't see anything in the road, which some
[2:36:09] of these drivers may be, I mean, that no signs are going to stop that, but the hope and
[2:36:14] intent is an individual that may happen upon this roundabout who's not quite ready for
[2:36:21] around about. These features will help identify early on that the roundabout is coming
[2:36:27] and they will be able to hopefully slow and divert in time to navigate it appropriately.
[2:36:35] We can,
[2:36:38] I'm sorry, just gets distracting to have talking.
[2:36:44] So, I don't have anybody else speaking. We have a substitute motion in a second.
[2:36:50] Does everybody familiar?
[2:36:52] I just find ironic that we put in this beautiful vacation, and then we have to put up all these things that I'm beautiful.
[2:36:58] Right?
[2:36:59] It should be inherent, and it should be intuitive if it's done right, but it's just ironic.
[2:37:04] But I'm ready to go.
[2:37:08] And for ready to vote on first the substitute motion, if that fails, we'll go back to the original.
[2:37:15] Okay.
[2:37:15] So this is there. This one is the I made it looks seconded and that's to compare the use of the originally approved
[2:37:22] ballers with wood facade sleeve versus the use of rocks
[2:37:26] and to direct staff to explore the cost of in-road lighting was the Chevron's
[2:37:31] included in your motion or no. I would include the Chevron signs, but I think that's something you could do
[2:37:37] administratively today. We can do that. That's our completeness and
[2:37:42] Openness, I will include that in the motion if, yeah, okay. So yes, it is in the motion.
[2:37:49] So with then it's to explore cost of interlining and use of Chevron on signs and return to council with results.
[2:37:56] Yeah. So I thought we were already installing the signs and that was not word.
[2:37:59] The signs are already going in. Other signs. This is in the circle sign only that I'm dying several.
[2:38:06] Okay. Next time we have this discussion, can we bring in some videos of the crashes that are all mine?
[2:38:11] So we can see what actually happens and about this discussion clearly.
[2:38:17] I'm just going to leave right there, but thank you.
[2:38:19] If I could jump in, Kathy, I was a little confused about what you thought versus motion was.
[2:38:27] Could you read that again, please?
[2:38:29] So it was to direct staff to compare the use of the originally approved ballers with Woodford-Sod sleeves,
[2:38:35] versus the use of rocks, direct staff to explore the cost of enrolled lighting,
[2:38:39] And use of incircle, Chevron, signs, and return to council with the results.
[2:38:49] Yeah.
[2:38:51] That was different than I thought.
[2:38:53] That may not have needed to be a substitute motion.
[2:38:56] That's me.
[2:38:57] That's me.
[2:38:57] I think it's the same as one.
[2:38:58] I'm sorry.
[2:38:59] I'm sorry.
[2:39:01] Okay.
[2:39:13] Council member over here.
[2:39:15] Oh, is
[2:39:18] it working?
[2:39:19] Oh, there you go.
[2:39:20] Motion, carrot, unanimously.
[2:39:22] Okay.
[2:39:23] So with that, we don't need to go back to the other.
[2:39:25] It is 839, let's take a, I'm going to say 10 minute, but I know it's going to be 15 minute break.
[2:39:34] Is that okay?
[2:39:39] Now it's been two and a half hours, so I could use a biological break, so I'm going to, yeah.
[2:39:46] So we'll be back at in 15 minutes, watch the timer.
[2:39:50] No less.
[2:39:51] No more.
[2:39:52] We can come back to order.
[2:39:58] Okay, ready?
[2:40:02] We need your presence up here.
[2:40:07] Captain Watts,
[2:40:11] just going to pick on people out, not in the audience there.
[2:40:16] Okay, if we can move on to item 8e, but before we go forward, I think we're going to change order of the action items.
[2:40:25] We have youth commission here, staying their troopers, they're willing to stay, but we're going to move them up to right before 10a.
[2:40:32] And so the two action items for the youth commission because they do plan to testify and we want to get them home so they can get to school tomorrow.
[2:40:42] The rest you don't have that privilege, you know, you have to stay.
[2:40:46] So with that, we'll move on to item eight E, which is the La Costa Pet Path Funding.
[2:40:54] And I think Council Member O'Hara, would you...
[2:40:57] We have three publics.
[2:40:59] We have three publics.
[2:41:00] Okay, well public pulled it.
[2:41:01] I would like to ask you.
[2:41:03] Okay.
[2:41:04] So with that, can we have a abbreviated staff report?
[2:41:17] Sure.
[2:41:18] Our greeting council, Matt Woodell,
[2:41:19] skied principal engineer for the CIP section
[2:41:21] engineering department with me as Carlos
[2:41:23] Beldenegro, and then the city engineer Dan Nutter.
[2:41:26] Tonight, this item is to approve funding for the
[2:41:29] LaCosta PEDPATH project.
[2:41:31] Path project goes on the cost of avenue from Volcan Avenue
[2:41:34] roughly to interstate five, and we just heard recently that San
[2:41:38] Dag is preparing to give the city a grant, which we applied
[2:41:41] for back in March, and this action right now, sorry about that.
[2:41:47] Here's the picture.
[2:41:48] This action right now will move money into the project so we can
[2:41:52] have the grant local match there.
[2:41:54] We can have the design, finish up the design, and we can be
[2:41:56] ready to build this thing with the grant funding.
[2:42:03] Perfect. I guess it's me. I pulled this. Absolute motion to approve. I just wanted to point
[2:42:10] this up to the public. Get ideas to scope with this project. What we're doing and how big
[2:42:15] a deal this grant is. I'm really excited to see it move forward and I want to give it
[2:42:19] out of the way to the engineering department for getting this grant. This is massive. I don't
[2:42:24] want to miss the opportunity as the rest of the council to tell you guys how much we appreciate
[2:42:28] you're getting this this grant you can care for us. So thank you. That's my motion.
[2:42:32] My motion approved. Okay. I will second that. All right. On this. Unless,
[2:42:37] shave forward like to. I had a couple of comments but I'll put them after. I'll give
[2:42:41] them after public. I think I was. I think I was.
[2:42:49] Three of you so. Doesn't matter. Okay. So you can have a third too.
[2:42:53] Okay. You can make a Marco. I'm okay with that.
[2:42:56] So public?
[2:42:58] Yes.
[2:42:58] We have three speakers.
[2:42:59] Exactly.
[2:43:01] Elena Thompson.
[2:43:02] Scott Campbell.
[2:43:03] And then Molly Hintley and Ritter Stream support.
[2:43:05] But does not wish to speak.
[2:43:07] Okay.
[2:43:08] So then it is Elena.
[2:43:09] And then Scott Campbell.
[2:43:11] Okay.
[2:43:11] Great motion.
[2:43:12] Thank you so much.
[2:43:13] I live in Northwest Lucadia for almost 40 years.
[2:43:17] And La Costa Avenue where you've just approved the D.G.
[2:43:20] PEDPATH is such an important project for our community, largely because we're the only east-west roadway to the beach and to the highway 101 that does not have a sidewalk.
[2:43:35] No sidewalk and no PEDPATH. So what we've got is a painted stripe where people, like myself, we have to walk to the beach in the roadway.
[2:43:45] So check that out on your next drive and it's very dangerous people are pushing strollers with babies
[2:43:50] So it's really a horrible situation. So the sooner we can get this in stuff
[2:43:58] The better without obstacles and I want to just point out to the the other reason it's so important is when the city
[2:44:05] Well, the transit group double track the rail corridor
[2:44:10] or that impeded our ability to walk to the beach as well, or out to downtown, because we
[2:44:16] have to now climb over two wire fences.
[2:44:19] So basically our property values have been shot because of this, we haven't been able to
[2:44:24] walk and we can't meet the greenhouse climate goals of the city.
[2:44:29] So thank you for voting in favor of the pet path.
[2:44:32] Good move.
[2:44:34] Okay.
[2:44:35] And I have, oh sorry, it's just two.
[2:44:41] Okay. I'm going to echo the previous speakers comments. I've lived up the street 20
[2:44:47] for 20 years. I can walk on this. I will be walking on this. I would like to thank
[2:44:53] the Council for selecting this project in the first place over some of the other competing
[2:44:56] ones in this one-the-ground process. It's amazing.
[2:45:00] I think it's an amazing, nobody thought we could do it, if we did. And I don't know if it's really brought this up, but if you'd go from the freeway, and on those paths, and then you turn left on Volcano, go all the way to the Katie Bober.
[2:45:11] That's almost three miles of contiguous walking trail. That's a huge benefit for the city. That's a huge improvement. And we're seeing, thank you, council.
[2:45:25] That's it, right?
[2:45:27] A couple of comments, and I think I walked this entire path down one side up the other
[2:45:32] with former mayor, Cransk, when he was mayor, and ran into Scott Campbell while we were
[2:45:37] doing it and had a long discussion out there.
[2:45:39] This is what a year and a half ago, two years.
[2:45:43] But it's in the report, but I'm not sure it's real clear.
[2:45:46] at the sand egg regional planning planning group this was considered needed to be approved
[2:45:53] there and then it'll it'll go for approval at the at the board of directors and there was
[2:45:59] actually an air in the calculations so it did it got pulled and luckily the city manager
[2:46:06] checked and this is still approved right technically yes Dan we went ahead and had engineering
[2:46:13] staff check and got confirmation that this would be nothing forward.
[2:46:17] That's right. But it still hasn't gone through the full approval. So it's going up through
[2:46:20] the stack. So we approved it. We're now approving matching for it. But Sand Egg needs
[2:46:26] to finish the approval. But I wanted to build on what Scott Campbell talked about. This
[2:46:31] got a score of 78.2. And it's a total score typing. The highest score was 92. The lowest
[2:46:39] score was 69. There were winning, partially, I fully funded, winning scores at 75. So we were
[2:46:48] three points above it. The trail 82 was only one point behind this one. So both projects
[2:46:57] scored well. One of the errors that I found in there will add to the trail 82 score. I don't
[2:47:03] know that if that'll push it over threshold, we'll see where it goes in coming up. But it's interesting
[2:47:08] how viable this one was that it got selected and it was well above the threshold of being
[2:47:14] funded fully funded and who knows maybe you know maybe there's good news in the future
[2:47:20] for trail it trail 82 if not it tells me we just keep putting in for these kind of things so
[2:47:27] with that we'll call the question
[2:47:39] and who pulled a tof okay do
[2:47:47] you need a staff report
[2:47:50] No.
[2:47:52] Just for the public, this is a memory of understanding between the city events and need
[2:47:56] a San Luis environment day for a community special event that San Luis community park.
[2:48:02] I would like to send this back to staff for a more thorough report.
[2:48:08] Items I see on here for a free event involve fundraising, which I don't see who will be recipient
[2:48:15] of fundraising explained, I don't see what money is expected to be utilized in some of
[2:48:23] the fees that we're paying.
[2:48:24] I assume even though we're working with a nonprofit, somebody's making that money.
[2:48:29] And to be honest, I'm not sure why we can't do this ourselves.
[2:48:36] It's a similar to the event pass, had a park, played in an expo.
[2:48:40] One person of staff, Max Usage, running spaces, entertainments,
[2:48:51] and then committing to motion and activate volunteers who are all very motivated.
[2:48:58] So I'd like to see the money, so I'm asking Council to send this back for a better explanation
[2:49:05] of where the money goes in this, so there are number of items on here that will be collecting
[2:49:11] money.
[2:49:15] So where is that going, because it's titled as a free event, and then why do we need a partner
[2:49:23] that we, and why can't we do this ourselves?
[2:49:26] Eco Fest started as a city event as I understand a community event and we have a very
[2:49:34] Great staff as far as climate action environment. We have a more than active community that would love
[2:49:42] Support event like this
[2:49:44] So I'd like to at this time. I'm not saying I want to vote to do it or not do it. That's not what I'm saying. I'd like a more robust
[2:49:52] explained
[2:49:53] explanation of the monies and why we need MLU with, with,
[2:50:00] And see his environment day, e-day. And if we are getting, if we are feeling we need a partnership, who else
[2:50:07] would we look at for this partnership? I don't think there's a complete report. And so I'd like to complete report.
[2:50:14] And I'll hop in next. I would like, I would put it off too. I have one more thing to add if you'll entertain it.
[2:50:21] our all make a motion to this effect. We have two events very similar both held at the park.
[2:50:30] The other one is, and I'm trying to remember the name, but we have vendors there, and when
[2:50:35] I go there, it's staffed by all of our staff for both events, and I'd like to see them combined,
[2:50:43] where you get the bigger crowd for the two, and have all the vendors there for the one
[2:50:49] mind, it'd be a cost savings, it's less impact to the use of the park, and so I would make
[2:50:56] a motion to push this off, have staff go investigate the costs and the funding where it's
[2:51:03] going get a fuller report, but number two also look at combining those two events at a minimum,
[2:51:09] and if I could do it, and I'll just throw it out there tonight. I'd love to see, like,
[2:51:13] Cloviya moved into that same realm, because they're all about environment and in so many places,
[2:51:18] and maybe we hold it down in 101 with Cyclobia, I don't know, but my motion, I'll start my
[2:51:26] motion just with the two and leave it for now. But I'm trying to make things more efficient
[2:51:32] and like-minded, like-themed events trying to combine them. So you'll second the motion?
[2:51:41] Yeah, perfect.
[2:51:43] Anyone else?
[2:51:45] Yes.
[2:51:46] Okay.
[2:51:47] Deputy Mayor lines.
[2:51:48] So I'd like to hear from staff.
[2:51:50] Is there some confusion here between eco-fest and eco-day?
[2:51:54] Or, I mean, I think the mayor is referring to the sustainable solutions fair.
[2:52:02] Yes.
[2:52:04] I think so.
[2:52:05] I forget the name.
[2:52:06] Yeah.
[2:52:06] Yeah, that is the other sustainability related fair that's that's put on and that one's more oriented towards specifically
[2:52:14] Zero-waste and supports the
[2:52:17] recycling and organic diversion and and education about that and that for that we contract with I love a
[2:52:24] Sink a clean San Diego to support the implementation of that event. Yeah, and my question and my action my
[2:52:30] motion is can we find a way to combine the events so that we don't have to pull the
[2:52:35] staff, so many staff members out there, and have them, because they really are complementary
[2:52:41] like-minded events, and it was actually a little lighter attended than what I had hoped
[2:52:47] out there at the park, and I think it just less impact to the park, less impact to, but we
[2:52:55] get hopefully complementary groups coming together, and you get a bigger overall group for
[2:52:59] both events, but all at one event.
[2:53:02] So, I think what I'm looking for is basically table this for tonight and then come back with
[2:53:12] investigating that option and responding to the comments from Council Member O'Hara.
[2:53:21] I think there's a lot, I think I still have the floor, but I think there's a lot of
[2:53:26] details to what's being asked here.
[2:53:30] So those two separate events have two separate objectives.
[2:53:34] And it's fair to say, yeah, let's look at that.
[2:53:38] But I don't know that we know the answer that they could
[2:53:42] or should be combined until we look at what
[2:53:45] the objectives of each of them are.
[2:53:47] I know that the Eco Fest relies on
[2:53:51] it always has been driven by the public
[2:53:53] by the nonprofit associated with it, and it's broader and bigger, and it's performance, and it's music, and I can't speak entirely for it, but from what I know about it is a broader objective and vision than the sustainability fair.
[2:54:14] But if those two fit together nicely, there's probably an opportunity there, I just wouldn't want to damage the integrity of either of those events.
[2:54:22] It could be just that more information is needed in order to make that decision.
[2:54:27] So I hope you find that to be a fair comment.
[2:54:29] Yeah.
[2:54:30] And I think that fits within what we're asking.
[2:54:33] So what I'm asking.
[2:54:35] Yeah.
[2:54:35] I mean, this did start off as a city event.
[2:54:39] From what I know about.
[2:54:39] That's actually interactive.
[2:54:41] I could clarify.
[2:54:42] It's always been a run by the nonprofit with city sponsorship.
[2:54:48] Okay.
[2:54:48] It was Bob Nanagas.
[2:54:49] Oh, right.
[2:54:50] So I guess and I still come back to I I'd like to see the numbers on the on the dollars and cents and where they're all going and
[2:54:58] What's happening with that
[2:55:00] Just because I don't want to find out after the fact that it wasn't something we would have voted on.
[2:55:07] And I, and I do go back to, I think the city should be able to do an event like this by itself.
[2:55:11] I don't, I don't, I don't, this is, this is a, in the event space, this is a very simple event to put on as far as these standards of what we're doing in the permitting of it.
[2:55:22] So I think we should explore doing it. I know that we are, are one of ones in our chambers you need to be able to put on events of this scope without partnering with,
[2:55:30] larger companies. And so, I'm not sure why the city needs to partner with a nonprofit.
[2:55:35] We have more resources than all four of our chambers and one-on-ones. So, I'd like to
[2:55:40] explore that too.
[2:55:42] So, a Deputy Mayor Lines.
[2:55:46] I just want to weigh in on, I know you have a lot of experience with events. I have a lot of
[2:55:51] experience with events as well. Having worked on the Secretary of the Open Street event
[2:55:57] when I was on the Environmental Commission.
[2:55:58] I do know that it's expensive for the city to hold events so this is a way for the city to be
[2:56:05] involved but the heavy lifting on the event is the responsibility of the non-profit so it's a
[2:56:13] way for the city to be associated with something that's actually bigger than what the city
[2:56:18] can handle financially. So there may be some benefits to the city playing a small role here
[2:56:26] with giving some money to help support this event but it's really getting a bigger amount
[2:56:34] of volunteers and a bigger amount of fundraising that the nonprofit brings forward.
[2:56:40] If the city handled the whole event, it would be more expensive for the city to do that.
[2:56:49] What are the funders in for?
[2:56:53] I'm not on the board of this event, so I don't know what's missing in this report.
[2:56:57] And what I would say is that's the purpose for bringing that back, and we'll have that discussion in a future date, so I think we've got a motion in the second.
[2:57:08] I call the question if I don't see anybody else.
[2:57:12] So let's call the question.
[2:57:13] I just want to make sure that says to send back to staff for more complete report to include the exploration and explanation of costs, funding, where money goes,
[2:57:25] And the possibility of combining with other like-minded city events?
[2:57:30] Yeah, in particular, the eco-solutions fare, what's it called, Crystal?
[2:57:37] The sustainability solutions fare.
[2:57:39] The sustainability solutions fare.
[2:57:39] And my vision is to have it as kind of a subset venue within it, you know,
[2:57:46] it's mostly vendors and so, but I'm looking for good ideas on how to get more efficient
[2:57:53] and bigger crowds quite frankly.
[2:57:59] So, yep, so we have a motion in a second.
[2:58:03] And a motion carries with Deputy Mayor Lines voting no.
[2:58:07] Okay.
[2:58:11] With that we move on to item 8J.
[2:58:17] Which is yep.
[2:58:18] Members of the public and there are several.
[2:58:22] Nine.
[2:58:23] So,
[2:58:27] this is authorization to enter into a master lease agreement for a small wireless facility,
[2:58:34] attachment installation with ubiquiah, incorporated in contact person, is Senior Management Analyst Elmore.
[2:58:44] So, we'll have a staff report.
[2:58:50] Good evening, Mayor Deputy Mayor Council.
[2:58:52] I name Mr. Elmore.
[2:58:53] I'm Senior Management Analyst with Public Works Department, and I'm bringing this item to you this evening.
[2:58:57] There's a brief history of the negotiation that went on to bring us to this point, but essentially we've got a firm that approached the city wanting to install some devices on city owned electrified light poles.
[2:59:13] It used the electricity coming through those poles to power their devices and create a wireless communication network throughout the city.
[2:59:21] So we went through a process of negotiation to reach terms, modified the
[2:59:26] template agreements that were in existence slightly and presented that in
[2:59:30] complete a format to you today, and I can take any questions you have.
[2:59:38] Okay, I've got some, we're already to baseline questions, so questions of
[2:59:44] clarification.
[2:59:45] Next, what is the status for next G, the previous small wireless carrier in the
[2:59:52] city, are they still active?
[2:59:53] I believe they are. I haven't checked into that. Okay, so do we know how many current?
[3:00:00] Polls, they have up and active.
[3:00:03] I don't the item that I presented in the General Report is complete. It's the agreement with all of the subsequent amendments and the individual request for permits for mounting.
[3:00:15] So if you were to go through there, you could tabulate it manually that way, but I don't have a number off the line.
[3:00:18] In that case, it said 13, the original agreement from 2006, said 13 polls, so I'm assuming we're talking something similar here,
[3:00:31] and I don't know, but I'm asking.
[3:00:33] Yeah, I am not an expert in the technology that this firm is bringing to our community, but the conversations that I've had with them lead me to believe that it would be more than that number.
[3:00:43] They describe the technology as being smaller, drawing lower power, creating a less robust
[3:00:50] signal, and requiring more devices to fill out the network.
[3:00:54] So you're probably talking about significantly more than 13, but I could not put a firm
[3:00:58] number on it for you.
[3:01:00] And they are fed from fiber cables coming up to the pole.
[3:01:04] They're powered from the pole.
[3:01:06] So rather than installing a separate electric meter, they're tapping the power that comes to
[3:01:10] the sea light pole.
[3:01:11] It's mounted on top of the cober head and attached to the pole that is the arching pole that extends to the vertical.
[3:01:18] How does it get its data signal?
[3:01:21] I assume it's a fiber in the pavement.
[3:01:24] Again, I'm not an expert in this, but what I glean from the information they provided is that there are points at which the network ties into fiber optics, but it's not at every single location.
[3:01:34] So they would relay the signal through the individual antenna,
[3:01:37] is my understanding until it dot to a point where the fiber optic is okay. So some polls will have
[3:01:42] pavement dug up with a little slit and I have to get it repatched to put in.
[3:01:48] I'm going to guess it has I mean I'm going to tell communications engineer background so
[3:01:53] I would okay. And I'm going to do a little a little go back with ricochet you remember ricochet anybody
[3:02:00] remember ricochet wireless went bankrupt in 2011 we used to have and I haven't seen one recently
[3:02:06] but for about 10 years after that, probably till the early, till a year or two ago, we would
[3:02:11] have on our light poles. We would have a little thing hanging down about that big with a
[3:02:16] little wire and 10, a hanging down below it. And they were sitting there many years, if not
[3:02:20] a full decade after the thing went bankrupt. One of the things I'm looking for is bonding
[3:02:29] to require the to fund removal if they cease to exist, because what seems to happen and especially
[3:02:36] in the wireless arena is companies go away and then they don't clean up after themselves
[3:02:44] very well.
[3:02:47] So, so those are my initial questions, anybody else?
[3:02:53] Council member Schafer.
[3:02:54] Yeah, so for this, is this something that we've already got to contract with them?
[3:02:59] We don't have a contract with them, yes.
[3:03:00] No, sir.
[3:03:01] We do not have a contract with this.
[3:03:02] They are not received wired.
[3:03:03] They have a contract with them.
[3:03:06] Strictly speaking, I don't believe we are, I, you know, I will go to the council for that, but I don't believe we are.
[3:03:10] Okay, I'm just, I'm reading page 88 of the report, or if you want to pull that up for
[3:03:24] the target.
[3:03:25] Warren, the wizard,
[3:03:48] I think we're on the same page now.
[3:03:49] Yes, so we're going through the admissions portion and this is, this is the admissions section.
[3:03:55] Up there in paragraph one, there's a footnote at the number one about, was it 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,
[3:04:03] Six lines down just past limitations. Yes, we have a number one.
[3:04:08] You should go down to the bottom. One, local zoning regulations cannot prohibit or effectively prohibit personal
[3:04:13] wireless services. Unreasonably discriminate among functionally equivalent services or regulate based on
[3:04:22] environmental impacts from frequent radio frequency emissions in addition to local decisions must be made within a reasonable
[3:04:29] time and any denial requires a written decision based on some middle of evidence in the written
[3:04:37] record.
[3:04:38] So then I scroll back down to 89 and you got a section C, the paragraph C there.
[3:04:45] I'm sorry, you said section 9, paragraph C.
[3:04:48] 89.
[3:04:49] Yeah, you said.
[3:04:49] Yes, right.
[3:04:50] You take the mouse over to the right side of the page where it says peer, right?
[3:04:56] So it's talking about the FCC and some of the radio frequency rig.
[3:05:01] We cannot deny this. It sounds a lot like what's going on with the state with our housing right now. They're requiring a lot of things and not really. And it says, peer reviewed studies have reported biological damage, including, but not limited to genotoxicity,
[3:05:16] neuro toxicity in humans and animals, brain and heart cancer, autoimmune disease, DNA damage,
[3:05:22] mitochondrial damage, brain damage, breakdown of the brain's protective brain barrier.
[3:05:33] These are words, infertility, and insomnia in levels below the FCC's limits.
[3:05:41] That's very, very interesting, but this is in the middle of a report that's got a tiny
[3:05:47] footnote and page 89 section C, that's what's coming up,
[3:05:54] and this is kind of in the direction
[3:05:56] of kind of where Mrs. Dalamara was going earlier with regards to some of the things I personally
[3:06:00] think.
[3:06:02] So, I appreciate you guys bringing this to me, and I think you heard me say this yesterday
[3:06:06] and the staff report, or staff report, I am not personally, I'm not for this.
[3:06:13] I know that's not where we are right now, but I am not for this type of stuff coming to
[3:06:17] our town.
[3:06:18] That's kind of like you said, they're just going to leave it behind.
[3:06:21] It's in place.
[3:06:22] I know 5G is kind of going far and wide right now, but I think people are starting to wake
[3:06:25] up to it just like a lot of other things going on in our nation and in this world as a
[3:06:30] whole, so I'll leave it there.
[3:06:34] Okay.
[3:06:34] I've got some never seen Antonio.
[3:06:39] I think we talked about yesterday. I just want to just, I guess, for the public, how many of these antennas are going to go around are expected to be going around?
[3:06:51] It's an open question. It depends upon the demand that they receive from people who want to utilize them.
[3:06:56] So, if you were to think about the number of these that would be required as opposed to the other devices that are already in the community,
[3:07:05] My best guess, based on what I saw, is that you're looking in the area of a couple hundred.
[3:07:11] Citywide, part of the agreement notes the number of polls that are available.
[3:07:16] And that's upwards of a thousand.
[3:07:19] The age 82 has a description of some of the proposed streetlights.
[3:07:22] Is that a picture on page 82 here that we give?
[3:07:27] Some kind of just an illustration of how they'll probably be dispersed throughout town.
[3:07:37] No, actually I think that is the next G map that's one I was citing when I said 13 so this is in this section page 82
[3:07:46] You what you're reading about the telecommunication act of 1996 was absolutely accurate
[3:07:53] Especially back in 2006 and I will ask our city attorney to
[3:07:57] Opine if there are any updates and case law changes because that would have been something written in
[3:08:03] 2006 and I don't know if anything
[3:08:06] his change since I got off planning commission, but on planning commission we did a lot of
[3:08:10] cell towers and we fought quite a few cell towers, not 5G per se, but all of them.
[3:08:18] And yeah, so I don't know if this would this be a good time to, are you done, Councilman?
[3:08:26] I mean, okay.
[3:08:29] And so we'll go to, Tarkwin, any comments or anything you'd like to add to the conversation
[3:08:35] about telecommunication act in 1996 in any case law since then.
[3:08:43] I'm not aware of, you know, some of the changes in the case law that would apply here.
[3:08:48] I know that for it to USC-52, C-7, the FCC regulations and federal code continues to
[3:08:57] prohibit the city from or local local jurisdictions from regulating the frequencies.
[3:09:06] So we can't deny what the access is that health cannot be a grounds for a local entity to deny
[3:09:14] fundamentally. And that's consistent with what's happened at our planning division and appeals
[3:09:20] to a prior city council.
[3:09:23] Correct?
[3:09:24] So, okay.
[3:09:25] So, council member O'Hara?
[3:09:28] I think I'm sort of asking the same question, but just to be clear.
[3:09:32] Under the recommended action,
[3:09:36] are we voting on the contract?
[3:09:40] Are we voting on the concept?
[3:09:45] That's a good question.
[3:09:47] I think we're voting on the license.
[3:09:48] The recommended action is in two parts. One is a resolution to update, essentially the
[3:09:54] feed structure associated with these devices. These devices are different and the network
[3:09:58] technology is different.
[3:10:00] So the fee structure reflects that difference. And also establishes a reasonable cost basis for the fees that are proposed that we've come to terms with the vendor on.
[3:10:11] So that's the resolution and it updates council's prior action, which was to set the amount of $270.
[3:10:18] My understanding is that's what FCCU said was the no question to ask an entity like us who had charged a firm coming in to attach these to a poll.
[3:10:27] But they did not set a ceiling so far as there was a reasonable cost basis in both parties were in agreement about that
[3:10:33] So that's the first part of the recommended action the second is for the master license agreement that agrees upon the terms
[3:10:40] Generally for these there is a subsequent step to this that is not in the right recommend action today
[3:10:45] But would play out over time based upon the master license agreement and those are poll license applications
[3:10:51] And so every time they would like to come in and attach one to a poll, the city would have to review that, and approve it, and then it would be a fair game for the vendor to go ahead and attach that.
[3:11:03] So it's a one by one process after if Council chose to adopt the recommended actions this evening.
[3:11:12] Afterwards, there would be this one poll at a time process that would play out administratively through the city.
[3:11:18] So I guess what I'm missing in my question is if we voted no on this, what would the result be?
[3:11:30] The immediate result would be that there would be no change to the status quo.
[3:11:36] I don't know what the, our counterparts action would be after that, is my understanding
[3:11:47] that they could pursue other ways to introduce the devices in the community.
[3:11:52] I don't have a total grasp of that, again, I'm not an expert in this area, but I have
[3:11:57] been counseled that it's possible for them to pull permits and drop their own polls.
[3:12:02] So we were balancing in aesthetic impact against the likelihood that they might actually do that or not.
[3:12:10] We don't know.
[3:12:11] It's kind of up in the air and there are definitely smarter people who might be able to answer that better.
[3:12:16] But that's how I understand the landscape of that dynamic.
[3:12:21] Is there a need identified to bring this in or was there their service expanding in our area?
[3:12:32] We were approached by the company by E-Bickway with request to move forward on this.
[3:12:40] And part of that request was to make a special allowance for the specific type of architecture of their network,
[3:12:47] which requires the more devices and that's why there was negotiation or fee because of the
[3:12:53] number versus the price per, right? So that took quite a while to work through.
[3:12:58] Thank you. I appreciate you clarifying that. It's really helpful for me.
[3:13:02] I know we're going to have a lot of public comments. I just want to have that ground work set.
[3:13:07] And so how many do we have? We have nine right now. Okay. Let's take the public comment right now.
[3:13:14] First speaker is Patty's a quick question. Do we have anybody here from you, Bikwia?
[3:13:21] I mean, they did not choose to attend to the busmai knowledge. I don't recognize any of them.
[3:13:26] That's unique. Definitely. That's very unique. Okay. First three speakers. First speaker is Patty
[3:13:32] Staddlemire with the time donation from Mark Staddlemire, who's present. Then Carol Donahue and then
[3:13:38] Donnie Nicholson.
[3:13:46] Thanks, Karen.
[3:13:48] Mayor, council members, Patty style Mayor.
[3:13:53] And, oh, about the FCC, you know what?
[3:13:57] I just read something with a government shutdown
[3:14:00] that the FCC's shutdown also.
[3:14:04] Okay, so here we have ubiquitous small cell 5G and their tagline.
[3:14:14] for their sales pitch.
[3:14:16] Almost invisible.
[3:14:18] Nobody's gonna know that you snack that on the lamp.
[3:14:23] Post or the lamp, or the light, okay.
[3:14:29] So the ask is for the master license and agreement
[3:14:34] with you, Bic, we have for five, G, Smalls,
[3:14:37] oh, by your list, to street lights, no, opposed.
[3:14:41] I'm asking that you put the welfare,
[3:14:43] the Institute of Residence before many financial interests.
[3:14:47] Number one, we already have wireless adequate wireless coverage.
[3:14:53] I mean, can you actually prove that we have gaps in coverage?
[3:14:58] 2, we don't need...
[3:15:00] Any more antennas? Three, we don't want to video surveillance infrastructure for. We don't want more white microwave, radiation in our neighborhoods and schools.
[3:15:10] We don't want to metro and synede us, like they advertise on ubiquiah.
[3:15:16] We don't want to metro and synede a smart city with 5G on street lights. On page 89, thank you, councilman.
[3:15:25] for her already reading that. It says right in there, the city is nevertheless aware of an increasing
[3:15:33] body of scientific research documenting biological and environmental damage from RF radiation.
[3:15:39] It levels below FCC limits. The FCC limits are like a thousand compared to like Europe.
[3:15:54] They're
[3:15:55] Okay, so the in that page 89 says peer-reviewed studies have reported biological damage,
[3:16:05] including but not limited to genome toxicity, toxicity, carton, carcinogenesis, cancer,
[3:16:14] cancer, cancer, cancer,
[3:16:19] cancer, cancer,
[3:16:24] cancer, cancer, cancer, cancer, cancer, cancer,
[3:16:25] So you'll damage brain damage, break down of the brain's protective blood-brain barrier.
[3:16:31] In fact, by the way, children are much more susceptible to do that, to that.
[3:16:37] Infertility and Somnia levels below FCC limits.
[3:16:43] So the city says, they have growing concerns that the RF standards set by the FCC may
[3:16:50] not be adequately protect public health and safety.
[3:16:55] This is all on page 89 of that.
[3:16:57] Agreement, everybody can read.
[3:17:00] So it's part of the amended city council policies
[3:17:03] C-035 of the 2020-38 resolution.
[3:17:09] So the staff and you, the council, know this.
[3:17:13] Thus I ask you prioritize the well-being
[3:17:15] of insinitous residents and visitors
[3:17:18] and all living creatures and matter over money.
[3:17:22] I.E. financial contract with ubiquiah and their 5G infrastructure
[3:17:28] complete with their surveillance technology with cameras and data mining
[3:17:33] by voting no and their agenda. And the document states that the city owns 1800
[3:17:38] street lights and the incident is plonged with 1200 more.
[3:17:45] Well, this could be the cash cow for you, Goya, and the map on page 82 shows the first ones to be placed are in the least preferred locations, residential schools, sports park, nature preserves, all locations were children span most of their days and nights.
[3:18:08] Again, I ask that you, but the well-being of residents, visitors, over money and vote no
[3:18:17] on this agenda, aid, J. Thank you.
[3:18:31] Following Carol is Joanne Midgelson, Sylvia Tillman and then Lindsay Richards.
[3:18:48] I request that you vote no on this agenda.
[3:18:53] And what struck me is that it's an agreement with collaboration, you be ubiquitous, that specializes in smart city infrastructure, including small cell channels.
[3:19:09] Thank you.
[3:19:10] Thank you.
[3:19:10] Thank you.
[3:19:14] And should I begin again and again?
[3:19:17] Specializes in smart cell infrastructure, including small cell antennas, attachments, and video surveillance.
[3:19:26] So that means we're going to have a little more EMF RF radiation from city lights,
[3:19:35] surveillance, smart cities, have been help us.
[3:19:42] I'm going to read from something I wrote back in August 21st of 2019 here before a different council.
[3:19:53] And as you know, we were successful in getting, I think, 17.
[3:20:00] The meeting of 23 asks from that council and it passed. I speak tonight as a citizen of
[3:20:10] Ennis who has been in it is adversely affected by cell tower and antenna radiations to an unimaginable
[3:20:18] degree. Just as pain is difficult for anyone to describe, no matter what is causing it, so are
[3:20:25] burning sensations, weakening conditions in the human body, created by these intense and intensifying
[3:20:33] radiations. Such effects can manifest variously as migraines, mental deterioration, disorientation,
[3:20:44] memory loss, heart conditions, moderate to excretion and pain or discomfort,
[3:20:49] Limitating ability to perform and even dreaded cancer, and I think we've mentioned what it can do, passing the blood-bring barrier.
[3:21:01] Speaking of sleeping, I never get through a night.
[3:21:05] Granted, most people do not experience radiation to this degree, at least not right away,
[3:21:12] nor are most conscious or aware of it, but from my experience, I know it is happening little by little for all of us.
[3:21:19] Just as Rachel Carson's book, Simon Spring, warned the world of the disruptive and destructive
[3:21:27] effects of environmental pollution.
[3:21:31] So now we can become aware of and warned of the intense, powerful 5G radiations potential
[3:21:38] and actual serious, excuse the word, health hazards, to human beings, to the good earth
[3:21:46] that nourishes us, and to every entity.
[3:21:51] Thank you.
[3:21:52] Oh, no.
[3:21:53] Time flies.
[3:21:55] I have more.
[3:21:57] I hope that we can continue this because most of us didn't even know about it until the week ago.
[3:22:05] Thank you.
[3:22:06] So it would be nice if the public can be warned.
[3:22:17] Sylvia Toman? Sylvia here?
[3:22:24] How about Lindsey Richards?
[3:22:28] Michael Schwab.
[3:22:29] And he's a termination from Betty Pope.
[3:22:31] Betty, are you here?
[3:22:37] And then followed by Rachel's source.
[3:22:39] And then Richard Benevery.
[3:22:45] My name is Michael Schwabie.
[3:22:46] Yeah.
[3:22:47] Michael, if you could move over to the microphone.
[3:22:49] I do this.
[3:22:50] Or vice versa.
[3:22:51] My name is Michael Schwabie.
[3:22:53] And I live in Locadia.
[3:22:55] about a block south of the La Costa Nursery as a cross-less.
[3:23:00] I've been there for a long time.
[3:23:04] I want to thank the Council for their service tonight,
[3:23:09] in all the ways that they serve.
[3:23:12] And I want to thank Luke Schaefer for reading section 2.c. regarding
[3:23:23] how microwave affects us and also for patty.
[3:23:29] That was part of my presentation.
[3:23:32] My ask is this.
[3:23:35] First, on the cost for the, for using the antennas,
[3:23:41] I'm all for that.
[3:23:43] And you might also consider a yearly adjustment
[3:23:46] to do to inflation if it's not already there.
[3:23:50] Secondly, I'd like you to oppose
[3:23:53] and vote no on this contract.
[3:23:58] And then if you're inclined in any way to vote yes,
[3:24:03] I want you to table the motion for now,
[3:24:10] and set up a city workshop,
[3:24:14] town hall meeting where this can be discussed.
[3:24:17] And it's broader implications can be discussed.
[3:24:20] I
[3:24:25] don't know if you've been to the bibliobick or your website with this is Smart City.
[3:24:30] In all the ways, Smart Cities have a high density of radiation to support all the devices
[3:24:38] and the conveniences associated with this Smart City.
[3:24:43] None of this is about the quality of life, in other words, the support of this organism and
[3:24:50] the sustaining of life.
[3:24:51] Microwaves, it all levels have some effect.
[3:24:58] In the US, it's a...
[3:25:00] 2,000 micro watts per centimeter squared.
[3:25:05] And this is based on food-trained animal studies where rats were
[3:25:11] radiated and at the level that they would no longer eat, they were weighed and their temperature
[3:25:18] was measured with an anal probe, and their dose was determined. And from that we had the
[3:25:24] in micro watts per centimeter square. It's a thermal limit. The Russian limit is 1% of the US
[3:25:33] limit. It's based on immunological studies of rabbits.
[3:25:43] How could anything so convenient the harmful
[3:25:46] to us? I mean the government, the government would protect us. The government would warn us
[3:25:50] I hear this from everyone.
[3:25:56] If we look at the proposal in the where-as, there are some statements that imply that there's a shortfall of wireless coverage in Incinesis.
[3:26:10] I don't believe this is true.
[3:26:12] I've never heard of anyone complain of any shortfall.
[3:26:17] If there was a shortfall anywhere, a telecom company that was affected
[3:26:23] would have submitted an antenna application to make that right for their service.
[3:26:30] I don't think we need any more antennas in terms of the light poles,
[3:26:37] per the FCC policies, all the light poles and antennas are available for their cell phones.
[3:26:47] That's the policy.
[3:26:49] And so, and even in this document, it says, it's not exclusive to ubiquie, if another company wants to come in and use an antenna.
[3:26:57] So, they're all available in some way.
[3:27:04] With regard to ubiquie,
[3:27:07] what do my colleagues wrote, Jared, and asked for information, and ubiquie replied and Jared shared that information?
[3:27:16] Here's the skinny.
[3:27:19] Once access is secured, your bickering up will notify wireless carriers, then insine
[3:27:24] industry lights are now available for installation of their 5G small cell technology.
[3:27:32] Okay, so this contract is like really slick, because this is going to set up your bickering
[3:27:39] The bottom line is the number of antennas that they put their small cell attachment
[3:27:46] on.
[3:27:48] So, this is going to mean a lot more antennas in Incinesis and a lot more radiation.
[3:27:57] With the installation of their small cell devices there will be an infrastructure and the
[3:28:10] We'll then support all the other devices that they sell surveillance cameras and you name it.
[3:28:25] So I would say please consider no or table for a greater discussion of the greater implications
[3:28:32] for our community.
[3:28:36] Thank you.
[3:28:37] Thank you.
[3:28:42] Rachel Sores, followed by Richard Benibri and then Elena Thompson.
[3:28:49] Let's see Elena.
[3:28:50] How
[3:28:59] about we to say no to all of it. It's been overwhelming in the last five years and I'm like why is everybody trying to sell us something
[3:29:07] We do we need this
[3:29:09] I wrote down a couple points again get evening council members. My name is Rachel Swaris
[3:29:15] I'm a business owner here in Encinitas and I've been a resident in Cardiff since 2003
[3:29:22] I'm here to urge you to vote no on item
[3:29:26] H.A. allowing small cell 5G antennas on our streetlights.
[3:29:32] First, the long-term health effects of constant exposure to 5G frequencies are still unknown.
[3:29:38] The FCC's standards are decades old and based only on short-term healing,
[3:29:43] heating effects, not the biological impacts we're learning about today.
[3:29:49] Until independence research confirmed safety, we shouldn't experiment on our community.
[3:29:55] Second, mounting these antennas throughout neighborhoods can harm wildlife and...
[3:30:00] Under our environment, studies show, microwave radiation can disrupt birds, insects, even trees.
[3:30:08] Third, these installations are moving forward without real public consent. I just heard about this,
[3:30:14] from one of my best friends, mother, Patty, over here, and I'm so glad she called.
[3:30:21] I haven't been doing my due diligence as a citizen here.
[3:30:25] So, there's no rule of public consent that if you need private telecom companies, not local residents.
[3:30:32] And finally, this infrastructure is the foundation of future smart city systems.
[3:30:37] Again, how about we say no?
[3:30:42] Data collection, sensors, surveillance, sold us as efficiency.
[3:30:47] Once in place, we lose local control over how it's used.
[3:30:50] I know this. I use digital marketing. They're putting this in to gather data from us that could sell us more things.
[3:30:57] They're putting this in. I hate to say this, but I don't like to say this because I would get happy every day.
[3:31:03] It's the beginning of a digital prison. Like let's just stop it. We don't have to do anything today.
[3:31:09] So let's slow down prioritize people, health, and transparency over profit and convenience.
[3:31:16] Thank you.
[3:31:25] Richard?
[3:31:27] May I never?
[3:31:28] Okay.
[3:31:30] And then I don't see a line off.
[3:31:36] All right.
[3:31:37] Good evening, Mayor.
[3:31:38] Council.
[3:31:39] Thank you for.
[3:31:42] Holding space for this very emotional issue for me personally.
[3:31:46] I've been a part of the public awareness activism of this matter for, well since it
[3:31:53] really rang true for me in 2019 and through COVID,
[3:32:03] we basically were all caught off guard on
[3:32:04] how the telecom industry just thought they could just steam roll more and 10 is all over
[3:32:09] while everyone's on lockdown.
[3:32:11] So I'm in strong and opposition to this measure I'm asking you to say no, as an independent
[3:32:18] documentary filmmaker, like I said, I've been tracking this and I'm working on a documentary
[3:32:25] on this very matter because it's a global issue. If anyone hasn't seen the film, the agenda
[3:32:32] film.com you can find it there. It's really a comprehensive look at what the bigger picture is
[3:32:38] what this infrastructure is heading towards.
[3:32:43] Um, ubiquity, uh, this technology represents a series misleading incursion into our public
[3:32:51] privacy and potentially much worse, according to the UN's 2030 agenda.
[3:32:56] Fifteen-minute cities are a reality that is already beginning to take place.
[3:33:01] As proposed, the small wireless facility agreement disguises a surveillance network under
[3:33:07] guys of infrastructure modernization. I'm curious if you're aware I doubt most
[3:33:13] the public is, but recently the city of San Diego had a contract with
[3:33:20] ubiqua and they were installing these antennas on street lights, but they
[3:33:26] weren't transparent. They were quietly equipped with cameras, microphones,
[3:33:31] and collected pedestrian vehicle and environmental data without public awareness
[3:33:34] and informed consent.
[3:33:36] When the program was exposed, it revealed that thousands of sensors were converging imagery
[3:33:41] and metadata accessible to multiple agencies.
[3:33:46] Despite claims of suspension, video access for police continued outside of the formal contracts
[3:33:53] undermining transparency and oversight.
[3:33:57] The city of Benzoneeda is now being asked to authorize a 25-year agreement with the company
[3:34:02] that is already demonstrated deceptive data practices
[3:34:04] in weak accountability.
[3:34:07] The framing of this proposal
[3:34:08] and this administrative or non-project action
[3:34:11] under the California Environmental Quality Act
[3:34:15] conceals its real implications.
[3:34:18] Continuous data collection for us from our streets,
[3:34:23] neighborhood and citizens.
[3:34:26] This is not simply an upgrade.
[3:34:29] this is something that the city should deny and educate the public more fully on and I'd love
[3:34:36] to have further discussions in the future. Thank you. Thank you.
[3:34:43] That concludes speakers and then
[3:34:45] Scott Campbell and Andy Schoel both registered opposition, but it knows to speak.
[3:34:52] Okay, Council member
[3:34:52] hero.
[3:34:57] So this has been in
[3:35:00] Interesting and fascinating agenda item, that first glance appears very mundane.
[3:35:08] And before I go further
[3:35:09] in this, because I know this has been the case for me, I want to acknowledge senior management
[3:35:17] analyst, Mr. Chair Delmore, for all your work on this because I certainly feel like it was for
[3:35:25] to us you walked into what looks like a contract agreement, and now we're talking about science
[3:35:30] and sociology and other aspects in consciousness and you know, in good conscious decisions
[3:35:37] that come into this that you probably didn't expect me to look this on. And so I appreciate
[3:35:43] your hard work on this. I think we have enough
[3:35:51] questioning of what we're doing here to hit the
[3:35:56] But in my opinion I'm going to oppose this if someone else puts the motion forward to oppose it
[3:36:04] I will back them up, but that's where I lean right now and I'll position of it, but I'm going to let somebody else make a motion
[3:36:11] Motion to oppose but tell you what yeah, so I'll go next and
[3:36:19] I've been fighting cell phones and in Sanitus since 2004 and I've sat out there showing pictures of them
[3:36:27] the health. We've gone through. I can't use that if we use that we actually put ourselves at a legal disadvantage.
[3:36:35] But, but there's I have so many questions about this project in this policy.
[3:36:41] First of all, we adopted, I don't even know when we adopted,
[3:36:44] but it was sometime right after 2004, we adopted the wireless,
[3:36:48] the cell phone ordinance 9.7 in our municipal code.
[3:36:51] And then in 2019 we added outside of the code, a policy, and so what we're here tonight
[3:36:57] doing is looking at that policy in that code and trying to apply it to a new form, a relatively new form,
[3:37:04] 2019 new form of small cell 5G data.
[3:37:09] But I mean, first of all, you pick, you pick, we is not even here.
[3:37:14] And I have so many questions for them what their plans are, how big it's going to be.
[3:37:18] 25 years for contract way too long.
[3:37:22] This this co this technology will come and go will be on 10G 25 years from now.
[3:37:28] So I'm not comfortable with that long of a contract.
[3:37:34] They need to you pick we need to be available more importantly.
[3:37:38] I think we have a fund and I also need to know the status of 10G which actually got
[3:37:42] purchased by Crown Castle in 2011.
[3:37:45] So we did it in 2006. I got bought there under a totally different company in name, and I need to know why are those 13 still out there active with essentially 5G.
[3:37:57] Other questions are cameras permitted.
[3:38:00] I would put that sensors and other services are not allowed on this platform without written permission in any license if we go that path.
[3:38:10] Like I say, I have questions, questions, questions, I can't move forward with this.
[3:38:15] I would, and I'll alter your, I'll, I'll, I'll, friendly amendment to to what, uh, oppose,
[3:38:22] I think we table it and come back with, and I don't know whether it's in a month, two months,
[3:38:28] or in the new year and bring it back then, because this is not an active contract right now.
[3:38:34] And quite frankly, unless you pick, we, uh, shows us what, what interests they have and they,
[3:38:39] show up for a meeting so they can answer questions, you know, I think I think staff needs
[3:38:44] time to get answers to all the questions I just post and I'm sure there's probably
[3:38:49] even more I haven't thought of and then bring it back at an appropriate time and that will
[3:38:54] give the citizens enough time to look at all the different laws probably need to talk to a lawyer,
[3:39:01] I tell a communication lawyer and I've done that in the past but I'm trying to think oh question
[3:39:09] is and I think we do have a right to do this as a city.
[3:39:13] We already have one vendor and they have used 13 polls.
[3:39:17] I would put a maximum number of polls that they can use and that number may be 20.
[3:39:23] Maybe 100.
[3:39:23] I don't know.
[3:39:24] I have no idea what you pick we want to do if we go forward.
[3:39:29] Number two is we should be able to limit the number of vendors, much like we don't
[3:39:33] allow any all cable companies to come in.
[3:39:37] It's almost like a franchise.
[3:39:39] So we ought to decide as a policy and update the current policy
[3:39:43] and or code to limit the number of small cell vendors
[3:39:50] that we license.
[3:39:51] So that's another way to put a box around this.
[3:39:54] So lots of questions.
[3:39:55] I don't have the answer.
[3:39:56] So I would table it until we can get a lot more answers here.
[3:40:00] On these questions, and that would be adding to your opposition, if you want to either second, what I just said, or I can second, if you agree with what I said, I'll make it as a friendly amendment.
[3:40:17] Yeah, could
[3:40:20] we just say no to this and then have a whole thing come back? We don't have to present something else. Why do we have to?
[3:40:27] back at all. Yeah, the reason I'm going that route is having gone through with the
[3:40:33] team ovals, the Verizon's, and quite a few, you know, dozens of planning commission
[3:40:39] discussions in order for us to deny it, we'll have to make legal findings. If we were to
[3:40:47] base legal findings on health, we would be in a very bad legal situation. So, right now, I
[3:40:54] I think we just don't have enough information in front of us.
[3:40:57] Hence, I'm going the table route and we'll bring it back.
[3:41:00] And if we, at that point, we can consult with lawyers.
[3:41:05] Yeah.
[3:41:05] Okay.
[3:41:05] Let's bring it back.
[3:41:05] See what grounds, what findings we can make.
[3:41:08] So that's why I'm going that route.
[3:41:09] Got it.
[3:41:09] Let's do it.
[3:41:11] So I take that as a, is that a second of my motion, basically?
[3:41:17] Or a my segment or I don't really care if as long as it gets done.
[3:41:22] I made a friendly amendment.
[3:41:23] I don't know how to hear it. You seconded correct or not?
[3:41:26] Yes, yes, yes, yes.
[3:41:28] Yes, and I'll accept the.
[3:41:30] You're acceptable the item at this time.
[3:41:34] And then get answers to all these questions about what is it?
[3:41:40] You know, what do we want to do from a policy standpoint?
[3:41:43] Do we want to limit at 25 years as too long?
[3:41:47] I have so many questions and we don't have the people here that can answer it.
[3:41:50] I'll just say a table about item at this time to address Council concerns raised at the meeting and to return it at a future date.
[3:41:58] And then to continue on michael's, I think I want to do that first.
[3:42:04] If staff then things would support a workshop, a public workshop on it.
[3:42:09] We could bring it back to a public workshop, which is what I think Michael Schwabie suggested,
[3:42:18] and then work through it there, and then bring it back to a dock based on, but I've got lots of questions.
[3:42:25] One of order for a good point. So we got to do a quick little housekeeping.
[3:42:30] Well, we have a motion of a second. Do we have much more discussion on it?
[3:42:35] I'm just in the queue and really all I was going to say is I support that motion and I would like to make sure what they bring back is also a discussion on health issues.
[3:42:45] I respect the opinion that we can't deny it based on that based on the legal sanding, but I also would like more information on the impacts to the city as far as ultimate construction.
[3:42:59] And what the city of San Diego's experience was with us that appears to have been stated by one of our speakers.
[3:43:10] I lost that one and then I'll yield.
[3:43:14] And Councilmember San Antonio, if you can do it in a minute or less.
[3:43:19] I would just want to have.
[3:43:22] Can we just deny it if we think there's no need for it?
[3:43:26] I based on my personal experience on the planning commission here,
[3:43:31] we need to make some level of finding or like that we don't get in coverage.
[3:43:36] Could be just that.
[3:43:37] And that's basically part of the recommendation.
[3:43:40] We'll come back.
[3:43:41] We'll get legal advice and go from there.
[3:43:44] So we're basically tabling it and taking it off calendar
[3:43:49] and we'll bring it back to I think a public workshop is what I would recommend
[3:43:54] in 2027, or we...
[3:43:59] I didn't say that.
[3:44:05] So anything else?
[3:44:08] So we have motion second on the table and then we'll get to the...
[3:44:12] So we'll call the question.
[3:44:14] So this is basically to table it.
[3:44:18] Motion carries unanimously.
[3:44:20] Okay.
[3:44:21] So now we need a motion to extend past Santa Clock.
[3:44:24] Motion to extend to Santa Clock.
[3:44:25] And it will pass 10 o'clock, but no absolutely no later than 12 or 11 30
[3:44:32] Like absolutely no later. I was I'm waiting on the midnight 11 30 here. We have 11 30 here. We have a
[3:44:39] Accept the amendment. Let's go 11 30 over here. Yeah, we have to booky. So 11 30 is the
[3:44:47] Pollack question
[3:44:51] And we appreciate the brevity, but so okay
[3:44:57] So we'll get more answers.
[3:45:00] So moving, we're going to move on. So we got to keep working. That brings us to item 8k.
[3:45:12] Can we have one? And be sure to reach out to your council members.
[3:45:19] And one speaker in 8k was removed by a member of the public. And that was Patty Stottelmire.
[3:45:27] Okay. And this is a memorandum of understanding between the city of insidious and the insidious chamber of commerce for the retirement.
[3:45:35] and Senior Expo to benefit the Anthony Discommunity and Recreation Service Manager Hammer.
[3:45:45] Patty, Patty, are you, you pulled this?
[3:45:49] Did you pull item 8K, the MOU?
[3:45:52] Yes.
[3:45:52] Do you need a staff report?
[3:45:55] No.
[3:45:56] Okay.
[3:45:57] Then you have the floor.
[3:45:58] Three minutes.
[3:46:00] That's a lot of money and we don't need any more LED lights.
[3:46:06] Rung one but then did I did I I said okay did you mean to pull did you pull eight L
[3:46:15] Patty
[3:46:16] Do you pull about the inside or what were you want to talk about the answer need a sign right and we already passed it
[3:46:25] Oh, you passed that yeah, because we didn't know it was food. We didn't we had the wrong letter
[3:46:33] With that I'll entertain a motion for eight K. I'm of approval. I've got a motion in the second
[3:46:41] cookie. Let's call the question. I'm going to go
[3:46:52] in vote.
[3:46:59] Okay
[3:47:01] And that was Ellen Burke. Do you need a staff report?
[3:47:07] Okay?
[3:47:08] 8L is a glad or rent a title.
[3:47:12] 8L is a check.
[3:47:13] It's an authorized agreement for death on sidewalk cleaning services.
[3:47:18] It was okay.
[3:47:19] It was okay.
[3:47:20] It was nice and cheap.
[3:47:28] I always told my kids nothing good happens after midnight.
[3:47:32] So, Bill.
[3:47:35] Great idea to clean the sidewalks.
[3:47:37] I just had one question about that.
[3:47:40] We have a lot of outdoor restaurant eating situations and I just wonder how their responsibility
[3:47:49] for keeping their spaces clean on the sidewalk and the right way impacts this contract
[3:47:58] or vice versa because I don't want to be paying more money because some guys making
[3:48:04] more money, missing out food on the sidewalk. I'm supposed to be able to walk on. So I
[3:48:11] want to make sure that we aren't paying my money to clean up their mess at a higher price.
[3:48:20] So that would be my first question. Secondly, regarding the garbage cans, it's a minor thing,
[3:48:26] but I take the cornish cutoff to go to vans all the time. And there's a series of garbage cans
[3:48:34] This little map is only showing one at either end that they will be cleaning out.
[3:48:40] I don't know, maybe the Enlightenment people put up their own garbage cans up there,
[3:48:44] where everybody parks, they're all always overflowing, but as long as we're cleaning out garbage cans,
[3:48:53] we should clean them all out and not just the ones on either end of the street.
[3:49:00] So, please, don't spend my money if you don't have to.
[3:49:06] one. Ellen, before you go, Cornish cut off, I
[3:49:10] you lost me on your Cornish. You mean, going up,
[3:49:14] but if you're on, if you're on the band of Lejo,
[3:49:17] okay, there's a little cut off. So the map that we're
[3:49:21] talking about here tonight doesn't go anywhere near
[3:49:23] there, right? Oh, yeah, there's two down there. On
[3:49:26] the map? For cleaning out the garbage cans? She
[3:49:30] has to add those to the trash can remove or clean
[3:49:33] Now, okay, I didn't realize those to be added.
[3:49:36] No, no, there's, there's two.
[3:49:37] They're on the map already.
[3:49:41] At the South End and the North End.
[3:49:43] I guess I was looking more at the power washing
[3:49:45] and all being downtown.
[3:49:46] No, that's, no, I talked about that first.
[3:49:49] Okay.
[3:49:52] That concludes speakers, then we did have Molly Hintley
[3:49:55] on registering opposition, but did not
[3:49:57] It was just me.
[3:49:59] So I...
[3:50:00] I have council member over here. So I actually brought this attached attention, the exact thing you just brought up.
[3:50:07] I believe
[3:50:13] we will address this going forward as a council and look into the streets. At the same time, I think in this contract at the moment,
[3:50:23] we need to make sure for drainage purposes for cleanliness purposes that the city,
[3:50:29] that the city is responsible for cleaning the sidewalk to the standard that we want available for our residents rather than leaving it to private entities.
[3:50:40] But I will say I don't think this is the last you've heard of this, of that point.
[3:50:44] This is a subject that is going to come back to us downtown and so we will begin at that time when we visit that.
[3:50:51] This may be that may be more appropriate discussion or input for that discussion.
[3:50:57] And then I'll go, I had a couple of questions I talked to staff about, number one is there was the service was also in front of the fire station, which we don't use right now, so it's only segment and I think we got that corrected and it's not included.
[3:51:15] I had a proposal tonight right now when I'm doing a lot of work down on 2nd Street talking
[3:51:22] with people down there especially in the long and front of CRC and there's a lot of debris
[3:51:27] from the fight histories and right now we're only doing 6 times a year and a cost of
[3:51:31] about 5,000 dollars and I was wondering would it be a value to go to end of talk to property
[3:51:39] to go to 12 times a year and add $5,000 to this contract and so I thought I'd propose
[3:51:48] that if there was agreement on the council we could bump it tonight and increase the frequency
[3:51:55] to every month.
[3:51:58] And the complaint came from a couple of people I talked to down there.
[3:52:01] They didn't bring it to me, but while I was down there there comment was how much the fruit
[3:52:06] stains the the walk and how it's covered with stuff and they were actually worried about people slipping.
[3:52:12] And I thought, you know, every time I'm down there, I see ficus dropping.
[3:52:15] So Strees are beautiful, but they're huge.
[3:52:21] So I got one nod, yes.
[3:52:23] Okay.
[3:52:24] So I would I would move approval with the addition to the contract to go up an additional 5,000.
[3:52:35] was there. Yep. All right. So we talked about that. So yeah, it looks like it would go up in
[3:52:40] additional 5,000 because it was 5,000 for this six times correct. Oh, it's got. We can actually pull
[3:52:50] up a table that can that can depict the change in cost. Yeah. Did you do that? Yeah, because the other
[3:52:57] part is to with the approval of a m tonight with the gateway sign. Part of the maintenance of the
[3:53:05] it. So we can remove the gateway cleaning from this. And then if we go ahead and add the extra
[3:53:12] tree, it actually only ends up, again, around $1200 there. But so we do want to make sure that we get
[3:53:18] that authorization, though, from council, so that we don't have to come back with that.
[3:53:22] Second. So that's exactly my motion. Thank you.
[3:53:27] So with that, got a motion second. Any other comments? No, call the question.
[3:53:34] motion carries unanimously.
[3:53:39] And that takes us on to now we're going to go to 10c first.
[3:53:45] Yep. Okay. So, sorry to keep you guys, you know, you're young, you don't need sleep.
[3:53:53] We're just getting you ready for college.
[3:54:00] College and maybe in one or two of your cases future
[3:54:05] So
[3:54:11] item 10, C, is
[3:54:17] youth commission amendment recommendations for ordinance number 2025-09 and
[3:54:25] contact person is recreation supervisor Camarina.
[3:54:33] So start with the staff report.
[3:54:38] We don't have a formal staff report other than what is written that the item that you had brought
[3:54:45] to review whether you wanted to add alternates was taken back to the youth commission.
[3:54:52] And they were given an opportunity to review and vote on that themselves.
[3:54:57] Per the report they did not recommend.
[3:55:00] And that, but a few of them are here tonight to give some additional information.
[3:55:05] Very good. So with that, we're doing this under public testimony. Are we having the speakers, yeah?
[3:55:16] So we do have four Lola Hubbell, Dillon Yarbrow, Quake Kelly, and then Lars Wilkins.
[3:55:32] Hi, I'm Lola Hubbell. I'm the Vice Chair of the Engineers Youth Commission.
[3:55:35] First I'd just like to thank Mayor Euler's and the City Council for allowing us to have
[3:55:40] a voice in this. We really appreciate you allowing us to represent the interests of our commission
[3:55:46] before you tonight. Our September 3rd meeting, we voted unanimously with one
[3:55:51] Commissioner abstaining to recommend that City Council not make the changes to the ordinance.
[3:55:57] We believe that alternates would be more necessary if we had an overwhelming amount of applications.
[3:56:03] But last year, we couldn't even fill all nine regular spots.
[3:56:08] To give you some historical data, in 2022, we had 10 applications, 2023, we had 11, 2024, we had 13, and 2025, we had 8 in the regular round and 2 for the open spot.
[3:56:20] Now, I believe that this would be a completely different situation if we had 15, 20 applications per year,
[3:56:28] but the fact of the matter is we don't.
[3:56:31] And while we appreciate the council's efforts to increase youth civic engagement and SNES,
[3:56:36] we don't think adding alternatives is the wisest move right now.
[3:56:40] In my opinion, we should, instead, direct these time and resources that we would spend recruiting
[3:56:46] alternates advertising to expanding the reach of the youth commission, to going to local
[3:56:53] schools, to making it so that we do eventually get to the point where we need to out of
[3:56:58] alternates, because that is the goal where we're having so much interest that we need
[3:57:03] alternates, but we don't have that right now. And Quaid will share later some positive ways
[3:57:09] that youth can be involved in our city outside of the youth commission, because there are many
[3:57:14] many more ways to serve your city other than being on an elected commission.
[3:57:19] I'd also just like to mention that in the event that we do get alternate and that
[3:57:24] ordinance passes, we are absolutely willing and ready to collaborate and work with the new
[3:57:29] commissioners. Again, thank you so much for hearing our voices and I appreciate you allowing
[3:57:37] us to have a voice and experience being at a city council meeting. Thank you so much.
[3:57:43] Good
[3:57:57] evening or I should say good night. Good evening Mayor Aler's city council members and city staff.
[3:58:06] Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak tonight and for all you and all your support in youth voices and incene this.
[3:58:14] My name is Don Yarbrow and I'm currently a senior at San Guido Academy and I proud member of Incene this youth commission.
[3:58:22] For me, being here tonight is more than just a role.
[3:58:26] It's something I've looked forward to for years.
[3:58:29] When I was younger, I used to hear my two older brothers talk about their experience on this commission.
[3:58:36] About how they worked with the city, shared ideas, and made a real difference.
[3:58:41] Listen to them, planted a spark in me early on.
[3:58:45] In middle school, I knew I wanted to be part of that.
[3:58:48] To represent the next generation and help make my community better.
[3:58:53] So as soon as I got to high school, I applied for youth commission and got the climb.
[3:58:59] I applied again the next year and got the climb again.
[3:59:02] But every time the message I got back from city leaders was the same.
[3:59:06] Don't give up your time will come.
[3:59:10] So I kept building, learning and leading.
[3:59:13] Through my time as ASP president,
[3:59:15] their school and their community involvement until finally this year as a senior I
[3:59:22] was honored to be appointed. Now standing here today I realize how much that
[3:59:27] journey has taught me. It taught me that leadership isn't about titles, it's about
[3:59:31] persistence, service, and the desire to create something meaningful. This past week I
[3:59:38] was honored to receive the instantaneous rising star award from the instantaneous chamber
[3:59:43] commerce. That moment met a lot to me, because it wasn't just about personal recognition,
[3:59:49] it was about what it represented, that youth and its need is doing big things,
[3:59:55] and our city believes in us. The youth commission gives students like me.
[4:00:00] The platform to listen and to lead. And it helps us turn our ideas into real change. And it helps the city hear directly from the youth who live here, learn here, and will one day lead here.
[4:00:15] As we look toward the 2025-26 year, I'm excited to work with my peers and continue that legacy, building stronger connections between students and city leaders.
[4:00:27] and helping make Incinitas a place where every young voice feels heard.
[4:00:32] Thank you again for your time, your leadership, and for believing in the next generation of Incinitas.
[4:00:39] Have a good night.
[4:00:47] Well, this is given another hand, guys.
[4:00:49] I'm sorry.
[4:00:51] I got to be with these guys every once in a month, and I've learned so much from them.
[4:00:56] It's so hard to follow them, but I figured I just mixed up in V.M.E.
[4:01:01] So here's a quick demo, but one, the individual, every person matters and everyone brings
[4:01:08] something unique.
[4:01:09] Two, the community, our schools, neighbors, teams, and people that make up this incredible
[4:01:15] piece of paradise, and three, the government, the structure that keeps us together and
[4:01:21] adapts to serve.
[4:01:22] So when we were working together, that's when the magic happens.
[4:01:26] The rhythm, the synergy, the momentum, and honestly, that's what I'm all about.
[4:01:32] I just want to thank you all so much for inviting the youth commission to make a recommendation
[4:01:36] on the proposed municipal code.
[4:01:39] It gave us a chance to look back at the history of the commission, which has been going on
[4:01:42] since 1998 over the past 27 years, the number of commissioners has shifted six times from
[4:01:49] nine members to a whopping 17.
[4:01:53] In this case, it's not about the individual, it's about what is best for the existing commission
[4:01:58] as a group. For 2025 to 2025 to 2026, I'm recommending we keep it at nine members no
[4:02:04] alternates. We've really gotten inspirational group of suit leaders. I mean, another
[4:02:09] hand for them. Just they're just an example of how incredible our commission is. And I think
[4:02:15] our focus is expanding engagements across all ages. So this includes more volunteering,
[4:02:20] most more cross-generational connections and more youth getting involved with the city we
[4:02:25] all of. We invite members of the community to attend our meetings, but do not foresee any issues
[4:02:32] with quorum or absentees. And we've really got a great thing going. Thank you so much for
[4:02:38] your time and for supporting the next generation of insinuses leaders. Do we have any questions
[4:02:44] we can answer for you today on this? Any questions will be directed at by share? We can bring you back
[4:02:52] up if we do.
[4:02:56] We have one more.
[4:03:03] Good evening.
[4:03:03] Council members.
[4:03:05] Thank you for listening to me speak tonight.
[4:03:07] This process has taken some time and being part of it has taught me a lot.
[4:03:11] I have attended City Council on Youth Commission meetings to watch, listen, and learn.
[4:03:16] You asked youth commissioners to share their feedback about having alternate joined
[4:03:20] them.
[4:03:21] Only two commissioners spoke, but everyone who voted voted against it.
[4:03:25] Share Kelly mentioned my age as his reasoning and vice-chair Hubble said that nine seats were enough.
[4:03:31] I'm asking you to still consider the amendment.
[4:03:34] The proposal isn't about age.
[4:03:36] The seats are opened to all students in grades 8 through 12,
[4:03:39] in adding alternates when change that number of seats or votes on the commission.
[4:03:44] See the addition of alternates as a form of mentorship.
[4:03:48] A way to get more students involved in allowing them to learn the process before having a full seat at the table.
[4:03:53] I'll admit, it's hard for me to keep pursuing this idea after the Youth Commission's recommendation.
[4:04:00] But I truly believe it's a good one.
[4:04:02] This year there are five new commissioners and three seniors who will be graduating next year.
[4:04:07] Encouraging younger alternates would help bridge the gap between terms and continue the more important work that goes beyond one group's time of service.
[4:04:17] Council members. I hope you'll see that this small change can make the youth commission more inclusive, more prepared, and more connected to our students in this city.
[4:04:26] Thank you for your time.
[4:04:28] Thank you.
[4:04:32] That means it's speakers.
[4:04:36] I guess I'm up first and boy, wow.
[4:04:40] I think I'll for of you.
[4:04:41] You know, I couldn't be proud of your parents.
[4:04:43] So, you know, you guys all, and I think you're seeing an example of reasonable minds can disagree
[4:04:50] And we're seeing that here and that's the way it works, that's the way that's what we're going through every day up here
[4:04:56] So it's pretty cool and you guys are all so L
[4:05:02] I would only ask Kelly where was the unicycle? I mean, come on. You know, so up your game next time. And thanks for staying late. I'm going to support doing nothing because I do think that there's that the history comes back to me. And I thought your point, I understand and keep applying the lesson you, your harbor or what's your first name? Dylan.
[4:05:29] That's right.
[4:05:30] The deal and learned of applied decline, applied decline, accepted.
[4:05:36] That is one of the things I learned early on in probably high school of college and it
[4:05:42] served me well so you know keep getting up and going back and keep applying.
[4:05:48] That's how you succeed in life even more than smarts or anything else.
[4:05:53] So I'm going to support the recommendation of the Youth Commission and I will recognize
[4:05:57] Council Member O'erah.
[4:06:03] What is the tough one?
[4:06:13] I want to talk about the principle and I'm going to start off with our first
[4:06:18] three speakers and our first three commissioners and thank you for showing up in
[4:06:21] coming here today.
[4:06:22] I want to point out there's only three out of eight of you here.
[4:06:27] And
[4:06:30] I think I'll sort of, I'll start off with you in the subal.
[4:06:35] We couldn't fill the applications and now you're saying you want to turn away someone who actively
[4:06:39] wants to participate.
[4:06:43] It contradicts itself.
[4:06:45] Expanding the requires resources, people are your best resource.
[4:06:50] It's a huge lesson that the Commission teaches you, right?
[4:06:52] I think that's such a big thing that you are resources for the city for your schools
[4:06:57] and to be a better resource.
[4:07:00] You want the best resource out there.
[4:07:01] person that's willing and excited to participate. That's what all you are. That's why you're so
[4:07:06] stellar at what you do. Lars, you yourself wanted to be on the commission in middle school.
[4:07:17] Lars,
[4:07:18] yeah, Lars, you said you wanted to be on the commission in middle school and you got declined and
[4:07:22] you got declined.
[4:07:25] Oh, I'm sorry, Dylan, I'm sorry. I apologize. I'm very sorry. I wrote
[4:07:29] wrong thing about Dylan. You said you wanted to be on the commission in middle school and you
[4:07:33] you got declined and you got declined and you got declined. That doesn't have to be everybody's experience.
[4:07:40] I disagree with our mayor who thinks people need to keep coming back. People need to show that they want it.
[4:07:46] They show that they want it by showing of every time the bell's wrong for them so far.
[4:07:51] So I think you have to really careful to make sure I think you saw this tonight with all of the discussions we had that we have different experiences up here.
[4:08:00] And what we all experienced to get here is very different roads.
[4:08:07] That's really important. That's what makes this really, that's what makes us function.
[4:08:11] That's what it made eight, was it eight D about the roundabout taken hour?
[4:08:15] Yeah. But that's important. That's government. That's civic duty to do that.
[4:08:21] And so to be careful whether it's in this arena or anywhere else to hold somebody to,
[4:08:28] So this was my experience.
[4:08:31] It won't serve you well.
[4:08:35] Inqueda, I love the juggling.
[4:08:38] I'll always impressed.
[4:08:40] You said you get to be with this group
[4:08:42] once a month of learn from them.
[4:08:46] Exactly what you said to me.
[4:08:47] We don't want to deny it from somebody else.
[4:08:49] But what you want is an I somebody else to help you
[4:08:51] to learn from amazing kids or young people.
[4:08:56] And you said you wanted to get more volunteering
[4:08:58] have more youth outreach. And here we are talking about denying somebody an opportunity to do all
[4:09:05] of the things that you all three said were important.
[4:09:11] It was also reported by staff that part of
[4:09:14] the reason for the now was that the applicant was in eighth grade that we were considering. And this
[4:09:20] that falls out of the scope of any discussion and probably staff should have let you know this commission
[4:09:26] for youth seventh grade to 12th grade.
[4:09:32] So that should have been taking care of. I
[4:09:36] was like I care a lot about this commission and I know you guys doing amazing and
[4:09:40] amazing job at it and we're proud of everything you do.
[4:09:47] I'm going to make a quick
[4:09:50] statement. We're going to the decision not to have an alternative, an alternate. I was in favor
[4:09:56] on September, the Louis Vuitton number third or fifth.
[4:10:00] Of an alternate when the Commission of Commission's appointment, alternate the Commission's appointment
[4:10:06] or for one spot, and agreed with the council, grudgingly, I should agree with the council to offer
[4:10:13] the Commission an opportunity to consider the role of an alternate to the youth commission.
[4:10:17] And I said I would do it because I thought you would value the importance of inclusivity
[4:10:23] not exclusivity.
[4:10:29] It is your place to make a recommendation and a value that you took the
[4:10:33] time to think of it. I value that you took the time to vocalize what you said into
[4:10:37] come here and at any time you stand up with that that put in a matter of how come if we get
[4:10:41] at your heart races. So I appreciate that. I will express that my hope for our youth commission
[4:10:49] is that they're governed by a commitment to community, the community that we and they serve,
[4:10:57] the community that we're all part of, that they foster youth participation and passion for civil
[4:11:03] matters when there's an opportunity to engage in inspired citizens as young as 7th and 8th grade
[4:11:09] in up to 12th grade. My hope today is that opportunity is seized. I want you as a commission to continue
[4:11:18] And because of that, I recommend a second motion to, or a second motion to recommend that we discard the recommendation and we vote to have an alternate on this commission.
[4:11:39] I would like to see point of clarification.
[4:11:42] I didn't make a motion.
[4:11:43] Okay, so that's my motion then and I would love, I mean, this is to me this is the opportunity for you guys to set the future this commission take this kid under your wing and and give him all the knowledge of if you've obtained and help help him take this commission where you've never dreamed or could go at that point
[4:12:01] It's a stepping stone for this commission and I just look at it that way so that's my motion.
[4:12:06] If I could just make one point of clarification, this is not about a specific individual because
[4:12:13] when we give the council brings the ordinance, it does need to go back out for advertisement.
[4:12:19] Yeah, I'm sorry.
[4:12:20] I say that we, I just said to appoint an alternate, but, yes, sorry.
[4:12:24] It's what I meant.
[4:12:25] Yes.
[4:12:28] And just to clarify too, if depending on what council does tonight, if council does want
[4:12:33] to go ahead and do an alternate, we're going to have to take the municode back, so we'll
[4:12:37] have to take that back, you know, introduction, adoption, and yeah, just want to make sure.
[4:12:45] You'll thank you.
[4:12:46] Okay.
[4:12:47] Deputy Mayor Lines.
[4:12:49] Well, you guys, I'll just brought up the life in the room with your presentations.
[4:12:54] So, all four of you.
[4:12:55] Thank you.
[4:12:57] We asked you to consider this important decision.
[4:13:01] And when I did that, I did it with the full intent of following your lead.
[4:13:09] That was my opportunity to say, tell us your best here, give us your best, give us what
[4:13:15] you, your rationale, be eloquent about it and you did all those things.
[4:13:20] And so I appreciate that you've given it thought and you worked with your commission and you're
[4:13:29] forward the recommendation and I want to hear more from the Youth Commission. So I hope you go from
[4:13:36] strength to strengthen build over time and large you inspired me too. Holy cow, I look forward
[4:13:46] to what you'll do here in the city in the future. No matter what, there was no like predetermined
[4:13:54] that you would be on this as an alternate anyway as was just clarified, but I see that you
[4:14:00] have a lot of potential and you're very eloquent about how you speak. So thank you for that.
[4:14:07] Like I said, I want to embrace your decision making and I want to empower you on this.
[4:14:13] And I appreciate the recommendation you put forward. And I haven't heard a second.
[4:14:22] Did I hear a second?
[4:14:24] No.
[4:14:25] I would align with the mayor behind going with your recommendation that you brought forward
[4:14:31] test tonight.
[4:14:33] Okay.
[4:14:33] Councilmember San Antonio.
[4:14:38] Awesome.
[4:14:38] Presentations.
[4:14:39] I definitely remember lines is right.
[4:14:41] I mean, you definitely hyped the room up.
[4:14:43] I'm hyped up.
[4:14:44] I'm stoked.
[4:14:46] What I can tell you is that I, you know, I see the energy quite the way that when you
[4:14:49] me juggling, brought that energy, got my attention right away, not that you two didn't,
[4:14:55] but I, you got me, you hooked me.
[4:14:59] But Laura's got up there.
[4:15:00] I see a very similar energy, and you might not have juggled, but I felt it. I felt the energy.
[4:15:07] I feel like to what Council Member O'Harris said, this is a really great opportunity.
[4:15:15] The mentorship portion to me is a big deal. When I was applying to be a firefighter, my road was hard.
[4:15:22] It was lots of turn, lots of nose, lots of nose,
[4:15:26] but that doesn't have to be everybody's roads.
[4:15:28] Sometimes it's not.
[4:15:29] Sometimes, guys get picked up right away.
[4:15:32] It doesn't have to be everybody's story.
[4:15:37] And I can appreciate the recommendation.
[4:15:39] I do.
[4:15:40] The staff brings us recommendations all the time,
[4:15:42] and we don't always follow the recommendation.
[4:15:45] And that's just life, I guess.
[4:15:47] I mean, we make our own decisions up here,
[4:15:50] we take our own experiences and we interject that and mix it all up and how come is the outcome.
[4:16:01] I really did feel that the mentorship portion of this because without a mentor for myself,
[4:16:07] I feel like I needed that. I needed somebody to help guide me. I needed somebody to help
[4:16:13] to look up to, to guide me through some decisions and I know you guys are, I can see how
[4:16:18] dynamic you guys are. And as an eighth grader, you've got somebody in a different school,
[4:16:27] whether it's Lars or anybody else, a younger person, that's somebody that's going to bring
[4:16:35] that enthusiasm to their school and to their peers and hopefully that brings more engagement for
[4:16:43] the future. So there isn't low application. Turn in. But for me, I have to go against the recommendation.
[4:16:56] I, I guess that I do appreciate what you all had to present. But I, I, I second,
[4:17:02] Council Member Schafer's.
[4:17:04] Oh, here. Sorry.
[4:17:06] Let me go.
[4:17:08] Yeah.
[4:17:09] Mayor's not sitting down, but I'm next.
[4:17:12] Yeah. Yeah.
[4:17:14] The idea is direct.
[4:17:17] I am going to go with the recommendation,
[4:17:19] because we gave you as responsibility and for us to
[4:17:21] say here in turn it.
[4:17:23] I don't think it's appropriate.
[4:17:24] I think you guys made the choice.
[4:17:26] I will say I hope that you're listening to the
[4:17:29] the conversation up here I hope future possibly hopefully future youth commissioners would
[4:17:37] have this understanding and kind of take that direction I think as we grow the process
[4:17:40] in the program I know that it's suffered over the last couple of years I think a part of that
[4:17:44] may have been COVID we got up to 17 at one point so the help kind of feather that along to bring
[4:17:50] somebody along would be appropriate at this point talking you know the city manager said for us
[4:17:56] change the ordinance have a first reading a second reading will be on the other side of Christmas.
[4:18:01] So at that point, it'll be more than likely this wouldn't happen until
[4:18:06] realistically probably they'll February at the earliest. So the interesting thing is,
[4:18:11] I think that being involved there's nothing stopping you from coming to the commission meetings
[4:18:14] looking up and trying to build this from the nine people to hopefully someday that we get 2025
[4:18:21] more applications and being able to use those applications to go further. So I'm not going to
[4:18:27] go against your guys' decision because I think you've had your conversation and however
[4:18:33] you guys chose to do that and we didn't give it to you to take it back, take it away. So that's
[4:18:38] the burden of your own leadership and I just hope that there's a way to be the inclusive
[4:18:42] and try to grow the program in the direction of better. And that's kind of in general
[4:18:49] for everything. So I'm going to go with the recommendation tonight. So thank you.
[4:18:56] I mean, just thought of either way. So we have a motion.
[4:19:00] So we've got Councilmember O'Harris still wants to go.
[4:19:04] Yeah, I just want
[4:19:19] to have a time machine to go back and play C's
[4:19:21] stronger emphasis on my allowance of one of you guys push it through last time.
[4:19:32] So, but I don't have that, so, after look at part
[4:19:42] of what we're supposed to do is guide and advise young people in these roles and guiding and advising them sometimes points out when they call out decision making.
[4:20:00] That's not faced on
[4:20:07] arguable comments. Staff will say that in the report that one of the reasons
[4:20:17] that they did not want the alternate was, because in this case, they were concerned it would
[4:20:23] be somebody in seven or eighth grade. Correct?
[4:20:28] Yeah, one of the items prior to staff was clear
[4:20:31] that the council's open, I mean the commission's open to middle school.
[4:20:37] So, good.
[4:20:38] But that was one of the reasons that was given.
[4:20:41] It was one of the things that were brought up at the first meeting when you were first talking about alternates.
[4:20:46] So that was a public comment that had come up.
[4:20:48] So it was out there in the public.
[4:20:50] It wasn't like the commission discussed it during their meeting.
[4:21:01] That's different than what was reported to me in my meeting, my briefing.
[4:21:04] I apologize.
[4:21:05] I talked about that topic in the briefing that it had been out there, had been discussed.
[4:21:12] I apologize if I made it specific.
[4:21:16] I'll mention as well when you asked us what our opinions was.
[4:21:20] I did say they were in high school students.
[4:21:22] I wasn't representing them saying that.
[4:21:24] was my representation of my perception
[4:21:26] of perhaps that's why they were leaning towards that.
[4:21:30] Now we're sitting here talking about it
[4:21:32] and that being an issue, it would have been nice
[4:21:34] to have been clear on that.
[4:21:38] So, yeah, I think I'm in a yield.
[4:21:44] I certainly want to,
[4:21:47] when the next time the agenda comes up,
[4:21:48] open the space up for alternates,
[4:21:51] I believe inclusivity and not exclusivity
[4:21:53] And I feel it's not going to be that's what this is, and I'm sad that rest of the council is not jumping on to make a decision on this.
[4:22:03] That that supports that, but that's why we have five of us up here.
[4:22:07] That's right.
[4:22:08] And so what you're seeing is an example of where we disagree and we talk about it.
[4:22:14] I look at it that we put faith in the current commission and you deliberated and you came back with a recommendation and I'm honoring that and I'm honoring
[4:22:23] I think you did a good job, and welcome to a government, by the way, that's how this works.
[4:22:31] So with that, I will call the question, and so we've got a motion on here to modify the
[4:22:39] recommendation and add the alternate, and so, call the question,
[4:22:47] and is to discard the
[4:22:49] recommended action from the youth commission and then to direct staff to bring back
[4:22:53] ordinance 2025-09 for consideration. Okay.
[4:23:04] And the motion fails with
[4:23:06] safer lines and ailer's voting no. And then in the interest of time I'll make a
[4:23:10] motion to do staff recommendation, which is the youth commission recommendation.
[4:23:16] I'll second. I got a second. And let's call the question.
[4:23:28] And the motion carries with San Antonio a hair of voting no.
[4:23:34] With that, thank you for staying so late everybody.
[4:23:37] We appreciate it.
[4:23:38] And look forward to good things out of the commission and out of the public to continue.
[4:23:44] Oh, well, yeah, sorry.
[4:23:45] Yeah, you can't leave yet.
[4:23:47] So onto item 810D, which is the youth commission work plan outcomes for fiscal
[4:23:55] So 20, 24, 25, and proposed work plan for fiscal year 25, 26,
[4:24:04] and I don't know if we're
[4:24:05] to is staff report coming from staff or from youth commission.
[4:24:11] Youth commission.
[4:24:12] Good evening again.
[4:24:14] As the chair of the 20, 25, and 20, 26 incidents in the youth commission, I'm excited to
[4:24:19] give you a quick update on our work plan and trust me.
[4:24:23] It's busy.
[4:24:24] Last year, we had chair, David Oshansky set the bar high.
[4:24:28] He served four years in the health launch, awesome programs like Techie tutors, and STEM
[4:24:33] library engagement.
[4:24:34] Both are still going strong.
[4:24:36] We had education and city processes work together to create updated by laws, which we are
[4:24:41] excited to see approved soon.
[4:24:44] One of my favorite moments was hearing from senior Rohan, Fadness, speak on environmental
[4:24:49] stewardship in his nonprofit way zero.
[4:24:51] After that meeting, I can explore the Rohan with city leaders, which led to a city partnership, which created the first ever TEDx in Sydney as Bull.
[4:25:00] Over this past June at the Library. Another standout was the geo-caching project created by Commissioner
[4:25:05] Czech Kinzelberg, which added an exciting engagement to the art night experience over 130 points
[4:25:11] of interest were explored at 25 people completed the first full adventure during city art night,
[4:25:17] pretty impressive stats for youth led in the youth led idea. It is now extended to other city events
[4:25:23] like Slovenia. Building on that momentum, the 2025-2026 work plan is streamlined, bold, and ready
[4:25:30] to make an impact. Our goal is yours to combine our skills, creativity, and authentic youth
[4:25:35] voices to create positive, lasting change in the community. We're asking for approval of the
[4:25:41] work plan so we can get started. Because if there's one thing this group knows how to do, it's
[4:25:45] things done. Thank you.
[4:25:53] Okay. Do we have Councilmember O'Hara?
[4:26:00] I'm going to the work plan at this point. Yep. Okay. So first off, let me just check
[4:26:05] one thing. Are there any public? Okay. Yes. So item number two, some I started to engage
[4:26:12] the Youth Commission and the Senior Commission together with the Intergenerational Programming.
[4:26:17] I'd like to add that to this list. Thanks a great project. I think they're going to crush
[4:26:22] that really excited to see you coming,
[4:26:24] but we've got the Youth Commission
[4:26:27] and the Senior Commission working together
[4:26:30] to create short videos that we will loop
[4:26:32] at the beginning of Council meetings
[4:26:34] three to four minute videos that will loop
[4:26:37] that are updates in the city as far as upcoming events,
[4:26:40] highlights, and holiday, prays, when it's coming up.
[4:26:43] That will loop at the start of our Council meetings
[4:26:47] as part of a sharing, what's going on in Cineatis,
[4:26:49] and getting into some faces to see out there
[4:26:51] besides our five mugs before the council meetings.
[4:26:56] So I'd like to add that to number two.
[4:27:00] And then number six, financial literacy.
[4:27:08] I, and I think our confirmation that
[4:27:15] they're looking, they're challenged by resources
[4:27:17] kind of supports this for their own words.
[4:27:21] So I think number six shouldn't necessarily be there as its own category.
[4:27:29] I think we should move financial literacy speakers into one of the other categories, take
[4:27:41] out of its own box and I believe city sports, new scholarships should be under civic youth
[4:27:48] and community engagement.
[4:27:52] So I'd like to kind of remove Box 6.
[4:27:55] I don't think it makes sense to increase item numbers if resources is a challenge.
[4:28:04] But if there are places we can stream those in to other boxes, I think that seems a little
[4:28:08] more appropriate.
[4:28:10] Yeah.
[4:28:10] And where would you put the financial one?
[4:28:13] Financial research, you could really talk about it, and so obviously the,
[4:28:19] you could put
[4:28:19] that under civic and community engagement.
[4:28:22] And we talked about one of the reasons for this, I discussed my briefing was that financial
[4:28:27] research speakers and events for students could be very broad.
[4:28:33] And what do we want those to be, is it, for example, there, is it a book club, is it a bank
[4:28:41] coming and talking about their how credit checking account works. It's a really broad topic.
[4:28:49] And so I think fighting off that entire apple of what that means doesn't sound like they
[4:28:54] have the reach and resources to do at the current time. But I think you could plan as part
[4:28:59] of your civic engagement, civic engagement, when you could plan it in there. And then it takes
[4:29:04] a little stress off this being as large of a box as anything else on there. There's a large
[4:29:09] of a commitment
[4:29:15] okay anything and and it sounds like you're putting both of them in number
[4:29:20] in the first box and the under one is additional sub bullets yeah I mean I guess you yeah
[4:29:28] that's why where I would put the second one which I think is really valuable opportunity yeah
[4:29:35] anybody else any comments how about a motion I'm convert that approval motion with those
[4:29:46] And actually, I'm really excited to see this kind of plan.
[4:29:49] I think you guys are going to be a fantastic job.
[4:29:52] Probably another project we have started already is going to be
[4:29:55] getting busters.
[4:29:57] I know the senior commission is excited, so we're already kind of...
[4:30:00] Get in the work on this and I'm really excited to see them on, like often running.
[4:30:04] And I would open it up to any youth commissioners whether you want to comment on the change.
[4:30:10] It's more informed than it is an actual function because the bullets still exist. They're just in different categories.
[4:30:18] So, yeah, I think representing the youth commission here, I can't obviously speak for them.
[4:30:23] coming there very passionate about, project that, I mean, as a youth commission, our goals
[4:30:28] to provide everyone the opportunity to work on their goals and aspirations and bring
[4:30:33] something youth commission.
[4:30:35] And I know this is something that a lot of people were interested in, but I also know that
[4:30:38] consolidation was something that we have been trying to complete for the last two years.
[4:30:45] And we went from nine goals to six right now, and I know we were hoping to continue that
[4:30:53] solidation. So I do believe that the Commission would support financial literacy, specific
[4:30:59] going under goal number one, civic and community engagement. And I think perhaps making that
[4:31:04] a subcommittee within that civic and community engagement, but that I don't believe that needs
[4:31:09] to be approved just necessarily that that isn't one of the goals it's just moved into a work
[4:31:16] go out there. Would there be a way to just put financial literacy into the other five? Yes,
[4:31:22] basically sitting down with you with Tom or somebody along the way and get whoever it is along
[4:31:26] the way. But to get some financial understanding of each one of these projects and understanding
[4:31:31] how these are funded and what, you know, everything coming into this. So your financial literacy
[4:31:37] you might have a speaker, so you could add one bullet somewhere just to get an actual speaker in
[4:31:41] And you get something of front, but this would be a way that a part of the process of the other five would actually just be getting the understanding of how the finances make this go.
[4:31:52] That would be some financial literacy.
[4:31:53] That sounds like a good idea, and I'll second it.
[4:31:59] We have a motion.
[4:32:01] I'll just remember here.
[4:32:04] And I'm attempting to second the motion.
[4:32:07] That's the way motion is second.
[4:32:10] Sure.
[4:32:10] Any other comments from other youth commissioners or, like I say, it's not a huge change anyways, but if you wanted to now it would be a good time to come up.
[4:32:24] Hi again.
[4:32:25] Councilmember O'Hare, I just wanted to clarify something that you said that you wanted to also consolidate intergenerational under civic and community engagement, or did I miss you or that?
[4:32:35] So there's a project that's already beginning that I wanted to place under there because it's already in progress
[4:32:41] and placing it there now will help it continue to move forward.
[4:32:45] Great. Yeah. Perfect. Well, that was it. So thank you so much. Thank you.
[4:32:50] So we've got a motion in a second. And I just wanted to clarify. I can't remember what was the current project was creating videos.
[4:33:01] So, we are in a generational programming of three to four minute videos that will be running a loop prior to council meetings.
[4:33:11] They'll be given the information by the city staff,
[4:33:16] per the direction of the city manager and who she allocates for that.
[4:33:21] And they'll be able to use specific view for that.
[4:33:23] They'll be able to do honest reporting.
[4:33:25] obviously the video will come back to, well, the sea manager will choose who comes back to for
[4:33:31] review to make sure it can go up on the board before the meetings but then they'll play that and
[4:33:37] it's just a really great project. I think it'll be a lot of fun and we're working
[4:33:41] on our kind should be really, really cool to do. It's going to give people a chance to see the city
[4:33:45] in a little bit different way rather than just come to a meeting and see the items on the agenda
[4:33:49] but actually see like here or some people out in the city talking about the things that they do
[4:33:54] the things we're excited about, the things that we offer and maybe hopefully feature a facility
[4:34:02] that needs a little more featuring and more people know about it than it's already getting
[4:34:05] in the process. So, it's driven into product, but that's what we're adding.
[4:34:11] So, that's number two, and then on financial literacy, I just wanted to clarify, so it was to add
[4:34:16] a financial literacy to all the items on the list, or was it just to add that under civic engagement.
[4:34:22] Thank you so much.
[4:34:27] Okay.
[4:34:28] So, motion second.
[4:34:29] Call the question.
[4:34:33] Motion carries unanimously.
[4:34:34] Very good.
[4:34:35] That brings us to item 10A, which is Introduction of
[4:34:38] Ordnance 2025-14,
[4:34:41] Amending the Encinitas Municipal Code.
[4:34:44] 18.08.08.08.0.
[4:34:47] Regarding sewer, service, charge,
[4:34:49] calculations for customers with submeters.
[4:34:53] Contact person and
[4:34:53] the senior management,
[4:34:58] strategic, strategic way.
[4:35:00] It is getting late. I'm sorry. This is a public hearing, and so we will have the staff report given.
[4:35:08] I will then ask council to disclose any other information. They have received that it's not included in the staff report,
[4:35:15] and then we'll go to the preliminary questions before we open the public hearing.
[4:35:19] So with that, we'll start with the staff report.
[4:35:23] Good evening, again, Mayor Deputy Mayor Council.
[4:35:26] I'm Jared Elmore, as you know, Ashley Strutakis was ill this evening
[4:35:29] couldn't make it, so I'm batting cleanup for her.
[4:35:33] But with that, we'll get going.
[4:35:37] We're here tonight to consider an ordinance,
[4:35:39] and so that's going to call for a hearing.
[4:35:41] We'll open the hearing.
[4:35:43] You'll take any public comment.
[4:35:46] Close the hearing, take your action, and then we'll be on our way.
[4:35:49] So this evening we're introducing an ordinance 2025-14, and we're making some very small revisions to the municipal code, or we're proposing some very small
[4:36:01] Our revisions to the municipal code pardon me
[4:36:05] There's a section of the first of all, this is supposed to the city hall, this is published in the coast news, and because we're taking the action on the code, not the rates themselves, there is no 2018 notification requirements, or in the clear of that
[4:36:19] Section 1808.8O, Subsection A, calls out single-family residential customers in relationship
[4:36:27] to our submetering program.
[4:36:30] The city has a submetering program that allows folks who use profile of the sewer differs
[4:36:35] significantly from their use profile of water, which is a complicated way of saying that
[4:36:40] the out doesn't match the end.
[4:36:42] So, this is typical of customers who have lots of irrigation.
[4:36:47] There are other use cases, though.
[4:36:49] So, because of the predominance of our sub-meter customers
[4:36:52] or residential, this language entered the code,
[4:36:55] perhaps not the best place.
[4:36:58] It was our understanding that the intent of council
[4:37:00] was to make the sub-meter program available
[4:37:02] to whomever wish to apply.
[4:37:05] And so, we're proposing some revisions.
[4:37:07] We've consulted council, and I think that this is probably
[4:37:10] the best course for the city to take, in order to relieve any ambiguity, eliminate that, so it's
[4:37:15] clear to everybody in the city that's submetering program is available to them. Regardless of
[4:37:20] which type, which classes of customer they are in our sewer program. So the language here as it is right
[4:37:28] now is on your screen and then what we're going to propose is that you strike single family residential
[4:37:34] from the section that we noted there and move that whole block of text down to the bottom of the
[4:37:39] So it's clear that it applies to all of the classes of customers that are mentioned above it in the code.
[4:37:46] So with that, staff, or I'm sorry, Council will pass the wall back to you and you can entertain discussion in the question.
[4:37:54] Okay, we'll start down at the far end. Do we have any disclosures? Nothing to disclose.
[4:38:01] Nothing to disclose. Nothing to disclose.
[4:38:03] Nothing to disclose.
[4:38:04] close and do we have any preliminary questions? We have no preliminary questions. Do we have
[4:38:10] public speakers? I will open the public hearing. We have no closing public hearing. Council
[4:38:20] action and discussion? Can I have a motion? Motion. I got a motion in a second. Any discussion?
[4:38:29] I don't see any, call the question.
[4:38:42] Very good. We will move on to item 10B, which is introduction
[4:38:48] of ordinance, 2025-12, approving a sewer reimbursement district on behalf of property owner
[4:38:57] to Varus and adding section 18.12.470 to the ins and the municipal code, contact person
[4:39:04] the senior engineer is a leaky, and this is not a public meeting, correct?
[4:39:10] I don't need to go, this is just an ordinance, okay.
[4:39:16] So with that, we will start with a staff report.
[4:39:37] Good evening.
[4:39:38] Mayor, deputy, mayor, council members, and members of the public.
[4:39:42] My name is Eric Zilke, senior engineer in the land development division.
[4:39:46] This evening, I'll be presenting on the introduction of ordinance number 2025-12, which establishes a sewer reimbursement district, essentially a mechanism for a property owner.
[4:40:00] Who funded a public sewer extension to recover a proportional share of costs from future users.
[4:40:09] So in May 2022, the city issued a permit for Mr. Pedro Tavarras for construction of a new
[4:40:16] single-family home at 252 Rancho Santa Fe Road. As a condition of approval, he was required
[4:40:23] to extend the public sewer main from Rancho Santa Fe Road to serve his new home.
[4:40:31] The incidentous municipal code authorizes the city council to establish a sewer reimbursement
[4:40:37] district whenever a private property owner installs a public sewer main that could also benefit
[4:40:43] neighboring properties. Establishing a district provides the framework to impose a special fee
[4:40:48] on any parcels that later connect. The proposed district that we are discussing tonight applies
[4:40:54] to the new public sewer main located along Ransal Santa Fe Road in 11Hane shown here on the map.
[4:41:01] Construction began in July 2023, and the property owner, Mr. Pedro Tavarris, funded and
[4:41:07] builds approximately 345 linear feet of new eight-inch public sewer main.
[4:41:14] The project established an extension of public sewer service to four adjacent parcels.
[4:41:20] One is the applicant's property, which is already connected, and then three neighboring
[4:41:25] parcels are now eligible for a future connection.
[4:41:28] All other nearby parcels are either already served by the city's sewer system or covered
[4:41:34] under a different reimbursement district, so they are not a part of this one.
[4:41:41] After Mr. Tavuras completed the sewer construction in 2024, city engineering staff reviewed
[4:41:47] the contractors' invoices to verify the total cost of the public improvements.
[4:41:51] The verified construction costs for the public portion of the work was determined to be
[4:41:57] $156,787 and 67 cents.
[4:42:03] It's important to note that the private work was excluded from the reimbursement calculation.
[4:42:08] The 4-inch private sewer lateral that serves the Tavores home was considered a private
[4:42:13] connection and therefore not eligible for cost recovery under the municipal code.
[4:42:18] only the publicly dedicated main line was used to establish the reimbursement amount.
[4:42:25] When the total public cost is divided by the four equivalent dwelling units or EDUs,
[4:42:33] the proportional cost came out to 39,196 dollars in 92 cents per EDU.
[4:42:39] The applicant's proportion, one EDU, was deducted, leaving a gross reimbursement amount of roughly
[4:42:47] 117,590 dollars in 75 cents.
[4:42:53] After subtracting the $250 admin fee for each of the three potential future connections,
[4:43:00] the net reimbursement amount is 116,840 dollars in 75 cents, which represents the maximum
[4:43:08] the applicant could recover over the 20 year life of the agreement plus the 6% annual
[4:43:14] civil interest.
[4:43:17] In practice, any of the three neighboring parcels that connect to this public sewer
[4:43:21] extension in the future will be required to pay the roughly $39,000 of reimbursement fee
[4:43:28] plus the 6% annual civil interest.
[4:43:33] per the reimbursement agreement attached to the staff
[4:43:38] report, Mr. Pedro Tavrs will receive the reimbursement
[4:43:42] assessment fee, proportional to his contribution to the total
[4:43:45] construction costs, which in this case is 100% of the roughly
[4:43:50] $39,000, because no other property owner contributed to the
[4:43:54] construction costs. Payments are collected at the time of the
[4:43:58] new sewer connection when the new sewer connection is made and
[4:44:03] distributed semi-annually by CARDF, sanitary division, admin staff.
[4:44:10] So in conclusion, staff recommends the introduction of ordinance number 2025-12 to provide
[4:44:17] for reimbursement for construction costs of a new sewer main extension on Rancho Santa
[4:44:22] Fay Road.
[4:44:23] This action simply authorizes the reimbursement framework, and it does not commit the city
[4:44:28] to any funding.
[4:44:29] And so, at this time, I didn't know I'd like to ask if there's any questions.
[4:44:34] Any questions?
[4:44:38] There'd be mirror lines.
[4:44:39] I don't have any questions.
[4:44:41] If there aren't any public speakers, I'd like to move a approval of recommended action.
[4:44:46] Do we have public?
[4:44:48] Okay.
[4:44:49] So, second.
[4:44:51] I've got the motion in a second.
[4:44:53] I think Council Member Schaefer got that just under the wire.
[4:44:57] So...
[4:45:00] Yeah, I don't have any questions to you. This is very standard. I've been done many, many times, especially on a leave-in-hine. So, call the question.
[4:45:15] Excellent. That brings us on to item 11. Information item. Tonight we have one informational item, which is the Institute's Habitat Stewardship Program and you will update.
[4:45:31] And, Park Operations Manager, North Guard, you've got the floor.
[4:45:48] And just because you have a half hour, doesn't mean you have to take the whole half hour.
[4:45:52] Just going to say, thank you, Mayor.
[4:45:55] Deputy Mayor, members of the Council, I have a quick 90-minute presentation for you.
[4:45:59] Very good.
[4:46:03] As mentioned, my name is Dave Norregard, I'm the Park Operations Manager.
[4:46:06] I'm here this evening with Jade Wall, Project Manager from Recon and Environmental, to give
[4:46:12] to be an annual update on the SNES Habitat Stewardship Program.
[4:46:17] I'll go over a very brief overview of the history of the program.
[4:46:22] The work that's been completed, our maintenance monitoring, and our next steps.
[4:46:27] Importantly, the goal of the SNES Habitat Stewardship Program is to address basic property management
[4:46:32] and stewardship on City On Property, which contains sensitive habitat.
[4:46:36] There are five main categories within the Habitat Stewardship Program.
[4:46:39] It's invasive plant control and removal, trash and encampment removal,
[4:46:44] vence against signage, erosion control, and fire abatement.
[4:46:51] For history, in 2009, staff presented the sub-area plan and open space management plan,
[4:46:57] in 2010, City Council adopted the early MHCP implementation program,
[4:47:02] which is now the Engineers Habitat Stewardship Program.
[4:47:05] In 2014, an RFP was released for the initial site assessment,
[4:47:08] which outlined really what the Anthony's habitat stewardship program would accomplish.
[4:47:13] In 2015, the draft initial assessment was submitted to council in 2019, that assessment was
[4:47:20] accepted by council. In November of 2019, an RFQ was released for journal services and
[4:47:26] maintenance to implement the program. In 2020, council approved a contract with the San Diego
[4:47:31] Botanic Garden for the first portion of implementing habitat stewardship program.
[4:47:38] In February of 2022, we amended the contract with the Botanic Garden to add more time to the initial contract to account for some COVID-related delays.
[4:47:48] In 2023, we amended the contract with amendment number two, which added scope for a new area, which became, which is drainage area B or the moonlight parcel.
[4:47:59] In 2023, we advertised an RFQ for environmental project management services, and in 2024,
[4:48:06] Council will approve that contract with a recon-environmental for as needed project management
[4:48:10] and environmental services to provide specialized oversight, qualitative monitoring, biological
[4:48:16] and permitting expertise.
[4:48:18] And in June 2024, amendment 3 was added to the Garden scope for Oak Crest Park.
[4:48:25] As a general overview over the last year, the Botanic Garden has dedicated more than
[4:48:30] and 766 hours of staff and volunteer time
[4:48:33] towards the Habitat Stewardship Program.
[4:48:35] They've hosted more than 23 volunteer events,
[4:48:38] including our local schools and community groups
[4:48:40] to help supplement the restoration activities.
[4:48:43] Volunteer efforts have removed a total of 81 cubic yards
[4:48:47] of non-native biomass this year.
[4:48:49] Invasive plants are removed,
[4:48:51] and native plants are installed to limit erosion
[4:48:53] and reestablish native habitats.
[4:48:56] The garden installed approximately 950 plants this year.
[4:48:59] All of the plants are sourced from local populations within insinutes and grown by the garden.
[4:49:05] I'll provide a little bit more detail on each of these sites.
[4:49:16] Accompanied Creek Park Unimproved, which was our first site.
[4:49:19] The Botanic Garden has continued to build up on prior year efforts, including native plant maintenance and invasive plant removals.
[4:49:26] 55 container plants were installed along with 200-nuddle oak scrub acorns directly sewed into the site.
[4:49:33] Navy plant species are beginning to recruit new individuals in the absence of invasive, invasive, non-native plants, indicating self-sustaining native plant populations.
[4:49:43] Native plant species are now the dominant plant type across most areas that have been weeded and planted.
[4:49:49] The habitat stewardship program has established approximately one acre of suitable habitat for the coastal California Natcatcher within Cottonwood Creek Park.
[4:50:03] At drainage areas, A&C within Cottonwood Creek, at least Bell's Bureau, have been observed, and Excel, and the garden have conducted invasive plant species removal, removal of trash, and debris throughout the site.
[4:50:20] At Cottonwood Creek, drainage area B, or again the moonlight parcel, the garden and Excel landscape have focused on invasive plant control, erosion control, trash and debris removal and restoration.
[4:50:29] The garden is stalled over 550 plants in the area that was previously occupied by the
[4:50:36] Canary Island date palm stand.
[4:50:38] We had some pretty heavy erosion there as well, which they've helped to fix.
[4:50:43] A total of 20 invasive plant removal events were conducted by the garden, Excel landscaping
[4:50:48] also installed fiber rolls to help with some of the erosion.
[4:50:53] At that site, we've already created a quarter of an acre of pollinator habitat within
[4:50:58] drainage through container plantings and seeds, not native species removals, have allowed native
[4:51:06] vegetation to recolonize areas that have been previously dominated by invasives.
[4:51:13] Ocrest Park work is focused on rare plant preservation strategies, access control, and overall
[4:51:18] habitat improvement. The NCDD is backrest as a federally listed threatened and state listed
[4:51:23] as endangered, while the Dell-Marm NCDD is federally listed as endangered. We've installed
[4:51:29] of control, BMPs such as gravel bags to reduce erosion throughout the trail. We've also installed
[4:51:36] additional fencing around the back risk and installed roughly 880 linear feet of additional fencing
[4:51:42] throughout the parcel to deter on authorized access through this area. The garden spalled 140 container
[4:51:48] plants and removed another 17 cubic yards of invasive biomass.
[4:51:56] Implementation activities at
[4:51:58] and he wrote were completed during the summer of 25.
[4:52:01] A Coastal California Nat Catcher was heard
[4:52:03] within the Saxony Road parcel.
[4:52:05] Botanic garden removed 22 cubic yards of invasive biomass
[4:52:09] and walked the site to remove trash and debris
[4:52:11] that was present.
[4:52:12] Recon has worked closely with the city
[4:52:14] and the garden to develop a phased approach
[4:52:16] for Saxony Rose Road for restoration activities.
[4:52:20] I'll hand it over to Jade with Recon
[4:52:22] and Environmental for an overview of their services.
[4:52:27] Hello.
[4:52:28] As David mentioned, my name is Jade Ball.
[4:52:30] I'm a Restoration Project Manager with Recon Environmental.
[4:52:34] First off, I just want to say thank you for the opportunity to be here to highlight the work
[4:52:37] that we've been doing under the Habitat Stewardship Program, where the HSP, we've really enjoyed
[4:52:42] working on this contract and having the opportunity to collaborate with the city of insamitas,
[4:52:47] as well as the San Diego Botanic Garden.
[4:52:49] So over the past year, we've focused on integrating stronger project management tools and structured
[4:52:54] monitoring into the HSP.
[4:52:56] We now conduct by annual monitoring once in January and again in June, and this is to help guide management priorities.
[4:53:04] The January monitoring happens after winter rains, and that's when we can identify areas needing non-native species control.
[4:53:10] And then our June monitoring helps plan summer and fall activities like erosion and access control, fire, baitmen, or restoration efforts, such as seeding and planting.
[4:53:18] These two check-ins help us stay proactive in strategic throughout the year, and we also use data collection tools like wild note in ArcGIS field maps, which I'll highlight on a later slide.
[4:53:28] We've also been expanding monitoring into new open space areas or the areas that are going to be next up on our HSP actively managed parcels.
[4:53:36] And we're updating those baseline surveys so that the maintenance contractors have a clear understanding of what expectations are for each of those sites.
[4:53:45] In addition, we've strengthened partnerships with groups like the Cottonwood Creek Conservancy and we're working closely with David and the city to explore grant opportunities that can support a future program growth.
[4:53:57] We have also implemented, oh, sorry.
[4:54:00] Too long with us.
[4:54:02] We've also implemented two key planning documents that keep the program organized.
[4:54:06] Firsts are annual work plan, so this outlines proposed activities for the years, signs responsibilities,
[4:54:11] and helps make sure everyone's aligned on their priorities.
[4:54:15] Second is the annual report, so we completed our first annual report in August,
[4:54:19] and this summarizes everything that we accomplished during the year,
[4:54:23] and also provides recommendations for that next fiscal year.
[4:54:26] Lastly, we've prepared the scope of work for Indian Head Canyon implementation activities,
[4:54:30] and once that's finalized, we will begin coordinating the kickoff meeting
[4:54:34] to help schedule and coordinate those implementation activities for fiscal year 26.
[4:54:41] As I mentioned on the previous slide, to support monitoring, we used two main digital tools.
[4:54:47] We're using wild note, and this is a cloud-based customizable platform for field data collection.
[4:54:52] This lets us record notes, photos, and recommendations while we're in the field,
[4:54:56] and then it also produces a very clear PDF that we can share with the city.
[4:55:00] We also use ArcGIS field maps, which is a mobile mapping application that reconuses to capture real time spatial data directly in the field.
[4:55:10] So together, we use these tools to generate PDF forms and figures that can clearly show where management actions are needed, as well as record management actions that have also been completed.
[4:55:22] So, these two figures are a great example of the figures that we can create using that
[4:55:27] ArcGIS field data that we collect in the field.
[4:55:29] So, the figure that you're looking at now is actually what we included in our annual report
[4:55:33] and it's showing the O-Crest Park and the Institute of Senior Center parcel of the HSP.
[4:55:39] And this is highlighting the work that was completed during fiscal year 25.
[4:55:43] So, as you can see, we did fence installation and these are things that David highlighted earlier in his slide.
[4:55:48] We also did some invasive species removal, active restoration, erosion control, and all of that is guided based off of those monitoring efforts that we do throughout the year.
[4:55:59] So overall these updates have provided structure monitoring, data tools, and clear reporting.
[4:56:04] And I think has brought a peer project management resources and collaboration among the team for the HSP.
[4:56:11] So if you have any questions, please feel free to ask at the end of the presentation, but I'm going to hand it back over to David,
[4:56:16] who will highlight some of the city's accomplishments
[4:56:18] and next steps for the program.
[4:56:21] Thank you, Jade.
[4:56:22] Lastly, a quick look at progress at staff level.
[4:56:25] In October 2024, we released RFQ
[4:56:28] for General Services Maintenance.
[4:56:31] So this is actually a new contract that we let out.
[4:56:34] The original contract for the Botanic Garden
[4:56:36] had reached the end of its life.
[4:56:37] So we had re-advertised another one.
[4:56:39] They were subsequently rehired as the bus qualified.
[4:56:42] In February of this year, Council approved the contract
[4:56:45] of the garden. We've established quarterly meetings with the Cottonwood Creek Conservancy.
[4:56:49] We walk the site a recorder with city staff, reconvire mental, and both our contractors.
[4:56:56] And we've updated our website to add a page to educate folks on the Habitat Stewardship
[4:57:00] Program.
[4:57:04] Staff and Reconveils have been working to develop a grant for Indian Head Canyon.
[4:57:09] We've met with wildlife conservation board. They have a rolling grant that's not tied
[4:57:13] of a specific date, so we've been working with them to understand what grants are attractive
[4:57:18] to them and what scope that we have that could work.
[4:57:21] On this slide, it highlights the yellow and green areas that show some potential areas where
[4:57:26] we could do some restoration and enhancement.
[4:57:29] Currently we're thinking that this grant could possibly be approximately $300,000.
[4:57:34] The board has indicated that it would require a grant, or a grant management, potentially
[4:57:40] down to 20% to be competitive.
[4:57:43] We'll continue to develop that scope
[4:57:45] and return to City Council for future authorization
[4:57:47] to apply.
[4:57:51] Lastly, for next steps, we're preparing a scope of work
[4:57:55] as Jade said for Indian Head Canyon
[4:57:57] based on updated baseline surveys.
[4:57:59] We anticipate returning to Council this year
[4:58:01] to approve that contract amendment
[4:58:03] and subsequently begin implementation.
[4:58:06] Maintenances on going in each of the sites
[4:58:08] that we've discussed and updated qualitative monitoring
[4:58:11] will occur in the spring and update in the annual report as we mentioned before, and that concludes
[4:58:17] our presentation.
[4:58:18] We're available for questions.
[4:58:20] Any questions?
[4:58:23] Yeah, I think I love it, I mean, I just love it.
[4:58:27] So I can tell you that there are private lands similar, similarly impacted, and I got to
[4:58:35] were one out on the edge of a leave-in-hine where the homeowner's association owns ten acres
[4:58:41] and they came in and they absolutely obliterated as a fuel modification disturbed the dirt.
[4:58:47] It's going to have weeds after this rain and I see where we're going with this habit habitat
[4:58:54] stewardship program and I think that business model will spread beyond public and I think private
[4:59:03] homeowner associations will get into the same
[4:59:06] same realm, you know, and I saw a bad example
[4:59:10] just a few weeks ago when hiking back there with one of the
[4:59:13] homeless association people.
[4:59:17] Right, you know, I'm so proud of this program.
[4:59:20] We're going from strength to strength and even now you're
[4:59:24] beginning to get in a position.
[4:59:25] You've got your your feet under you and you're applying for
[4:59:28] some grants.
[4:59:30] So I look forward to where the possibilities will lead us
[4:59:32] in the future. I think that when we were able to bring recon on that we really did get a needed service
[4:59:45] as far as measuring and monitoring, because that's where we learn what of we achieved and then
[4:59:51] you know, and we iteratively adjust that as we go along. So not to delay this as the last item,
[4:59:59] but I
[5:00:00] I do want to say that I think we're at a point where the city council in the future should look at what other open space properties do we have in our city. Maybe once we've added sense, this plan was first brought forward and approved and I'll be continues to talk to our city manager about the best way to move forward. We're seeing if we can bring some other city open space into this stewardship program and make sure we do the best to do.
[5:00:30] we can for having quality open space ecology and that would be a great thing to talk about
[5:00:36] when we get into a goal setting session early next year so not too many months. So with
[5:00:43] that we appreciate the report. I think we will move on now to item 12. We don't have any
[5:00:49] council initiated items. 13 council member reports pursuant to AB 1 2 3 4 start with
[5:00:58] I attended a Sandag meeting, I guess this would be a great time to say that Sandag award
[5:01:04] at the city $104,000 for from the public beach impact mitigation fund to augment the design
[5:01:14] and construction for the costs of the staircase at Swamis.
[5:01:19] Let's see, I also attended the
[5:01:21] San Diego Community Power Meeting. We are currently recruiting for a representative for
[5:01:26] me advisory committee here in Encenius. They do a variety of different things and advise the board
[5:01:32] and engage in public conversation, support net 10 community outreach events, provide monthly reports
[5:01:39] and share info to the community regarding rates, a bunch of other things, but we're currently
[5:01:46] looking for an Encenius representative. So that's all I have. Council Member Schafer.
[5:01:53] And I attended the Regional Solid Waste meeting last Thursday and there's a number of new bills that have been pushed down for Regional Solid Waste and those will be implemented here in the next year or two years depending on the direction, but all in good hands we are taking over the financial requirement of that for the next about what I think about five years is kind of the average that we're going into.
[5:02:23] I remember Oera at the end of last week despite being on a podcast and
[5:02:27] despite traveling around the state.
[5:02:29] I saw Gavin Newsom sign 800 bills in the law, including SB 79.
[5:02:34] I hope we wake up as a state.
[5:02:37] You know, Deputy Mayor Lines.
[5:02:41] I attended the San Diego County Water Authority board meeting two weeks ago.
[5:02:47] And then this morning I attended the and seeing an wastewater authority meeting for the
[5:02:52] capital improvement committee.
[5:02:55] Okay, and going back before the San Day Board meeting
[5:02:59] that Council Member San Antonio attended,
[5:03:02] I attended the September 26th San Day Board.
[5:03:07] A very project update,
[5:03:08] including the OTI Mesa Port of Entry East Project,
[5:03:13] and then an update on the draft 2025 regional plan.
[5:03:18] That's out there right now being reviewed.
[5:03:22] also attended the October 3rd policy meeting for the regional planning policy group that fed
[5:03:30] into the decision that Council Member San Antonio talked about.
[5:03:37] And then the third item I did was yesterday I attended the and seeing a wastewater policy
[5:03:45] finance committee where we discussed and approved changes to real estate policies mostly
[5:03:50] applicable to the quote unquote south parcel which is a large vacant parcel immediately
[5:03:56] it's part of the main campus and because we've come to the conclusion that using it for recycled
[5:04:04] water is probably 10 to 15 years, maybe even 20 years out, we're going to look at ways to increase
[5:04:12] revenue generation off of that without dedicating it. In other words it's trying to maximize
[5:04:18] because any revenue we generate lowers our fees.
[5:04:23] With that, we'll go to city manager report.
[5:04:25] I just want to give a big welcome to our new deputy city manager.
[5:04:30] Mike James, who has stayed for the whole meeting.
[5:04:32] He's in the back.
[5:04:33] Mike joins us.
[5:04:34] He was the assistant city manager in the city of Pismo Beach.
[5:04:38] Mike also was an officer in the army.
[5:04:40] And he worked in cities such as San Diego,
[5:04:43] Lemon Grove and Elcahone.
[5:04:44] So we're very excited.
[5:04:45] Mike joined us on Monday.
[5:04:46] we're excited to have them as part of the team and it's nice to say that our entire
[5:04:51] executive team here now in the city events and it has been filled so just warm welcome
[5:04:56] to Mike thanks for hanging in there till this late so thank you very much.
[5:05:00] Okay, and city attorney reports. No, no, no, no, no, no, no report. City clerk report. And we will tell welcome Mike and tell him that we're getting done early tonight, by the way. So, with that note, Alla Germ.