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we'll call to order at 7:02.

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If you'd join me with the Pledge of

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America, and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» Roll call.

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» Mayor Andrew Hagen.

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>> Here.

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>> Mayor Pro Tem Melinda Walker.

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>> Here.

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>> Councilmember Jeremy Engel.

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>> Present.

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>> Councilmember Shawn Sherman.

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>> Here.

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>> Councilmember Jeff Key.

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>> Here.

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>> You have quorum.

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>> It looks like we have a presentation

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today for

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lumber It's a

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lumber yard sellers, right?

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good family business that's been in town

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here for a little while. My

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>> uh wife's been there quite a few times

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and has reported back that it's a

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pretty uh

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amazing atmosphere, you know, um

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some high-quality

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people obviously you guys running that.

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it's it's pretty amazing that there's

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like 5,000 businesses that sounds like

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that were up against this particular

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award and you guys

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end up winning it. That's something to

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tip your hat to. That's pretty awesome.

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>> I just have a brief comment. Um

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>> Eric and Megan I remember when you came

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to planning commission. I know I was on

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the planning commission you were talking

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about bringing a wine bar.

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six, seven years later after that

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initial meeting and

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now you're really knocking it out out of

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the park for being small business of the

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year for ninth Assembly District. So, um

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I've definitely partaken in uh

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some of your wine and some of your uh

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charcuterie, but really

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uh I know

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and speaking with some of my friends

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living surrounding communities,

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Lumberyard Cellars is now a landmark for

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the city of Escalon. And so, and really

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it all goes to both of your hard work

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uh and dedication to not only to this

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city, but

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obviously to your family. Um and so,

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thank you for making a really big impact

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in our community. It's very much

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appreciated.

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>> Uh sure. Congratulations for being the

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2026 Small Business of the Year for

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California's ninth California's ninth

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Assembly District. Um I've had the

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pleasure of knowing Megan and her family

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for a very long time. There's nothing

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that you cannot achieve. You've had your

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vision, you put put hard work to it, and

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you have achieved great things. Um and

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thank you for bringing that and keeping

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that in the town of Escalon. So,

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congratulations to you.

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>> So, I'm just going to read this

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certificate we have from the city for

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you.

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in recognition of being named the 2026

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for California's ninth Assembly

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District. Um this was uh founded by

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Derek and

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Megan Webb. Uh The Lumberyard Cellars

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has become a welcoming gathering place

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in the heart of Escalon. I always hear

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great things about what you have going

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on there.

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hospitality community events and local

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entrepreneurial spirit and community

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pride that makes Escalon special.

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congratulates the Lumberyard Sellers on

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this distinguished honor and express its

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sincere appreciation for its positive

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contributions to to the Escalon

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community. So want to say thank you and

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give you a round of applause at least.

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>> Would you either one of you like to come

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» Yeah, we just want to thank the city of

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Escalon for all the support and

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continued support as we continue moving

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on through business and you know, it's

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been a fun 5 years and

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just look forward to continued success

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in Escalon and bringing more people to

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the community. So

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>> Do you want to say something?

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partying, huh?

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» So, we'll move on to the consent

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in the audience, anyone want to pull any

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sorry sorry. All uh against, say nay.

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for design build projects. Uh it is the

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future of delivering both private and

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public construction projects um

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historical records,

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1957, the the city has spent an

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inordinate an amount of money on design

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legal entity. Designer and the builder

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more streamlined project projects, more

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streamlined processes.

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way of the future.

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policy, and I look forward to uh future

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design-build projects for the city of

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» So, July was uh fairly uneventful. There

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or pier, and then we also had park feet.

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was fairly uneventful. We had

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citations with 23.

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getting hit by the train scenario is

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more like someone giving up on life or

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no one deserves to lose their life, but

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we also have to take into account uh the

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rail road crews

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because the train is only going one

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direction. The train can't stop.

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And so, there are two victims and every

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or possibly [clears throat]

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three victims and every incident if you

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take into account the the train crews as

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well. So, it's a definitely a horrible

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problem all the way around. And for our

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police officers and first responders

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they have to

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deal with that as well. So,

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it's not a pleasant situation.

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>> Um

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hats off to you for having to deal with

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that, guys.

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Both public works as well.

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Um

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any other questions for Chief?

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Uh we'll go to

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uh public works.

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>> Uh nothing for public works tonight

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unless you have any questions.

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>> Any questions for public works?

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>> Sure. What's up with VSS?

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>> They're completed at this point. So,

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that's what we're sticking with.

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>> On

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>> Sir.

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>> And what's the status of AT&T?

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>> And they're [clears throat] going to be

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we're getting ready to resubmit another

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permit going through the conditions that

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we had met with them. So, hopefully here

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in the next week they'll get start back

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up, but there'll be very strict rules on

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what they can and can't do.

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Um we'll have more inspectors on-site

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provided by AT&T and just a lot more

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babysitting.

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>> And will the when are they now

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anticipating being done and complete as

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well?

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>> There's no anticipation date at the

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moment just because we haven't gave them

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the the permit to go ahead and proceed.

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I don't think it's going to be a whole

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lot of time. Should be about a month

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process once they get going as far as

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rehabilitating everything. So, hopefully

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we can get them in and out of here

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quick.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Just to fill in the gaps a little bit

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there. Um

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I think they did hit a a third water

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line recently and and we had some

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significant questions on how and whether

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they were doing some potholing. Um so,

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we we stopped the job. We met with them.

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Um they brought some facts to it, but uh

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we have implemented some new rules.

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We're reviewing those rules right now.

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Um reviewing their response to the rules

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that we've established and we will

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reissue um the permit when, you know,

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we're comfortable that they will address

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things as as we see fit. Um they have

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been um positive about the changes and,

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you know, their

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approach moving forward, which is a good

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sign. Um but we will we will stay on it

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to ensure we protect the infrastructure

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of the city.

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» Any other questions?

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Back to city manager.

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Or Trevin, sorry.

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>> Yeah, sorry. I'm over here this time,

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so.

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>> [laughter]

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>> Thank you. I'll start with the

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recreation update. Um we've had a great

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um registration for flag football, so

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that continues to be a strong program.

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And summer recreation programming

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continues to to show strong

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participation with soccer. Um we did

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move the date for evaluations, so if

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you're a parent listening, just know

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that we're going to move that closer to

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the draft date to accommodate one of the

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high school's schedules.

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Um for adult soccer, this is a new

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program that the city has put on, as

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you're aware. And one of the hurdles is

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with a new program, you don't you don't

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really know if you're going to get

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enough participation. So, please report

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that we got three teams this year, which

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is enough to have a league, to have a

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program, and for everybody to have some

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fun. So, we we passed that hurdle as a

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community and we'll report back um mid

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midway through the league to report how

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it's going.

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Um and then for the community center, we

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were working with someone to lease the

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kitchen space. This was a new venture

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for the city to try and use the

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commercial kitchen more often and help

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uh cut the cottage food industry or

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someone who's working out of their house

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be able to utilize the the kitchen

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there. Um it does require them to carry

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their own insurance um liability. Um so,

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if there's anyone else out there that is

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willing to do that and wants to work

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with us, just let me know. Happy to work

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with them to help them get that set up.

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The first person that originally wanted

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to use it

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um hasn't gotten back in touch with us.

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It seems the insurance might have been

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something holding them back or might

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take them more time to do. So, we're

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available. We got all the kinks worked

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out, all the application stuff smoothed

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out. So, we're now ready to go. We just

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need someone to test the process with

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us.

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>> Okay.

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>> Um and for development services, um we

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continue to see

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uh normal permit activity.

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Um nothing crazy.

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Um

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and we do have an item on tonight where

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we'll talk a little bit more about that.

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So, that's that's all I have for

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tonight. Thank you.

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>> Okay.

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Any questions for Trevor?

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>> I've got one. Is there anyone that may

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have applied for our grants that may be

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interested in using that kitchen space?

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Somebody that may be a good fit from

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there?

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Have you run run down that list, I

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guess, is the uh the real question that

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I'm asking?

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>> Yeah, I know. It's a great question. We

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can certainly do that. Um good timing to

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ask that question to them because we

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just asked them for their mandatory

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6-month update. So, we'll be hosting uh

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meetings with them to touch base and any

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of them that do food prep, we'll make

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sure to let them

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>> Not necessarily one of the recipients,

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but you know, any of the applicants

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even. You know, they're they're all

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looking for, you know, expansion. You

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know, that's a good way for a food

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service to expand without um

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very aggressive cost, I would think. So.

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>> Yeah. Makes sense.

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» All right. Any other questions?

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No. We'll go back to city manager.

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>> Nothing further.

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>> Okay.

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Any questions for city manager?

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Questions for Frank?

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No?

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>> Okay. We'll take it out to the audience.

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Uh any questions for staff at all?

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No? Online?

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» Nothing online.

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All right, we'll bring it back

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to matters presented from the audience.

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Excuse me. [clears throat] The public

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may comment on any matter not listed on

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the agenda that is within the city of Escalon subject matter

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jurisdiction. Members of the public may

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address the city council on any agenda

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item when that item is called for

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consideration. Each speaker is limited

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to 5 minutes and unused time may not be

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transferred to another speaker. Speakers

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may provide their name and address for

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the record but are not required to do

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so. Under state law, the city council

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generally may not discuss or take action

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on matters that are not listed on the

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agenda

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except to provide a brief response. If

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further action is warranted, the matter

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may be referred to staff or placed on a

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future agenda. The mayor has discretion

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to determine whether a matter is within

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the city's subject matter jurisdiction.

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That being said, we have any matters

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from the audience?

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» Yes, good afternoon everybody. Uh my

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name is Michael Masuda. I came here to

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introduce myself this evening. I'm

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running for Congress in the California

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5th Congressional District. Oh, I I uh I

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live in Riverbank, so just across the

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river.

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Um I actually grew up in Amador County.

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I remember coming down this way in the

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preseason for baseball and basketball uh

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to play against Escalon High School. You

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all always had a good teams over here

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and so I'm hoping that that's continued

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on. Um I went to after I graduated from

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high school, I went to college at Cal

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Poly in San Luis Obispo for a degree in electrical engineering. And I took

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that out uh to the Washington D.C. area

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to start a career over there with my

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wife uh working in defense research. And

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I made my way into the federal

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government working as a public servant

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at the State Department. And uh now I

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came back home to California to run for

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Congress to be close to my family. I got

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two kids in tow with me since coming

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back. I've got a 4-year-old and a

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2-year-old. And I'm very focused on

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building communities, a state, a country

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that

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my kids have an opportunity where

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they're treated fairly, where they're

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treated with respect. And that's

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something that all of our kids can have

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for them.

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I really believe that

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these roles are focused on service and

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that it's actually service to all of you

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and all the members of the community.

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I am not going to be the one that tells

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you all how to do your job, right?

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That's not what the a congressman is

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supposed to do.

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I really want to work with you all to

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understand what city of Escalon needs

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and how I can be of service to all of

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you at the federal level.

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I know the federal government doesn't

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have all the answers and it shouldn't

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have all the answers. But there's a lot

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of resources and things that need to

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happen at the federal level that can

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make things much easier and can help

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address some of the challenges that you

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all are facing in this community.

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So I'm here today to just introduce

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myself. Going forward, I would love to

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sit down with with any all of you at

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some point individually, of course,

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and other members from the community to

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understand what are some of the

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challenges that you all are facing and

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what you're looking for in your next

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congressman.

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I did want to mention that

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Escalon and this portion of San Joaquin

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County are has been added to the fifth

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district

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with the redistricting in in California

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with Prop 50. It is one of 12 counties

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either in whole or in part that now make

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up the fifth district. It goes all the

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way to the Nevada border from Alpine

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County down to Death Valley in Inyo

563
00:20:52,360 --> 00:20:54,320
County. It covers this whole swath of

564
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,400
the Sierra Nevada from Eldorado all the

565
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,400
way down to Fresno County and it touches

566
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,600
the Central Valley here in Stanislaus

567
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,080
County and Madera County and also in

568
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,720
Fresno County. This district is the size

569
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,520
of West Virginia. And so

570
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,200
it's very easy, I think, for a or

571
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:12,520
it makes it very difficult to get around

572
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,600
at times. But, I firmly believe that

573
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,360
showing up, talking with folks,

574
00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:17,480
listening, trying to understand

575
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,080
challenges, and trying to go to work on

576
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,120
those challenges is what this job is all

577
00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:24,480
about. So, as we move forward, I will

578
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,800
continue to be available to you. I have

579
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,320
passed out one business card already,

580
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:29,600
but I'll make sure that you have my

581
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,760
contact information. I also wanted to

582
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,120
invite all of you and any members from

583
00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:36,680
the community that are here or watching

584
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,240
online. We are doing a town hall in

585
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,960
Oakdale on the 11th of September at the

586
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,880
senior center there.

587
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,200
I really want to bring in a lot of

588
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,440
communities,

589
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,720
Escalon, Riverbank, of course Oakdale

590
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,360
and Knights Ferry to to come and talk,

591
00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:54,200
share your share your your thoughts, ask

592
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:55,960
your questions. It's going to be from

593
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,360
6:00 to 8:00 and the whole community,

594
00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:01,600
bring your kids, everybody is welcome to

595
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,000
be part of this.

596
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:03,840
So,

597
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,280
if there are any questions at any point,

598
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,360
you can go to my website votemasuda.com.

599
00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:10,240
There's an email on there or you know,

600
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:11,520
I'll be sticking around here for a

601
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,520
little while to to chat after after the

602
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,640
meeting. So, thank you so much for your

603
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,680
time. I really appreciate it.

604
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,400
>> Thank you as well.

605
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,200
A breath a breath of fresh air to

606
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,400
actually see a congressman here.

607
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:24,920
Um

608
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,280
So, thank you.

609
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:28,800
>> Oh.

610
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,560
Anyone else have a There we go.

611
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,240
>> Of course.

612
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,720
Um first of all,

613
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,160
I have a

614
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,080
almost 4-year-old granddaughter that is

615
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:39,400
going to have a

616
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,040
lemonade stand tomorrow specifically for

617
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:43,960
city workers.

618
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,280
And it's going to be from noon to 1:00

619
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,400
and her price is free to city workers.

620
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,640
So, they need to come and

621
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,400
say hello to her. She especially would

622
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,480
like to see the street sweeper.

623
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:58,080
>> [laughter]

624
00:22:58,080 --> 00:22:59,400
>> Uh anyway,

625
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:00,120
>> Sure. Sure.

626
00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:03,560
>> All right. All right. Public work and our officers too cuz she got to

627
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,560
visit the

628
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,920
outside you know the the foyer of the

629
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,640
police department last week and she

630
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,080
thought that was the greatest thing. So

631
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,440
maybe we can work on her saying

632
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:13,856
something else. Anyway, she

633
00:23:13,856 --> 00:23:14,640
[clears throat] just thought that was

634
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,240
great. So if you all would just come

635
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,560
humor her, she made homemade lemonade

636
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,760
from softest lemons and with honey and

637
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:23,960
water. So you know, it's kind of

638
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,040
healthy.

639
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:25,920
>> Well, what time

640
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,611
>> little tart.

641
00:23:27,611 --> 00:23:28,720
>> [laughter]

642
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,280
>> What's your What's your um What time?

643
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:32,880
>> Noon to 1.

644
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,600
Well, she'll be Are you kidding? If you

645
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,781
knock on the door, she'll be there. So

646
00:23:36,781 --> 00:23:37,040
>> [laughter]

647
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,520
>> I mean you know, she's not going to turn

648
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:39,960
you away.

649
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,760
Oh, anyway, she's she's cute. Oh.

650
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,520
>> Location, somebody asked.

651
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:46,640
>> On Sacramento Street?

652
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,080
Can't miss us. You

653
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,560
won't miss us.

654
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,480
A big white house. Big white house,

655
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,480
flagpole.

656
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:54,280
No line.

657
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:54,720
>> Street.

658
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,000
>> Right in front of the high school, three

659
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,440
houses down, right?

660
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,680
>> It's 1325 Sacramento.

661
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,840
>> All right. If you're anybody else other

662
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,560
than in the city and and same place and our police officers, well you'll

663
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,640
have to pay her. Sorry, just saying.

664
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:08,840
Okay.

665
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,190
Um

666
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,160
I love history. You all know that. I

667
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,680
love There's There's three subjects that

668
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,560
you know really greatly Well, there's

669
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,800
many subjects that greatly I love as my

670
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,800
children and grandchildren all say, "Oh,

671
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,320
I say Oh, that's my favorite." And

672
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,080
they're like, "They're all your

673
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,680
favorites." Well, yeah, they are. So

674
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,600
one of them though is history. And going

675
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,040
back to the roots and going back to our

676
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,000
roots and the blessings of our country,

677
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,920
the blessings of our state, the

678
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,080
blessings of our city.

679
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,000
Um

680
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,560
I'm pretty sure the majority of the

681
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,520
people in this room have no idea that

682
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,400
there is only one state in the United

683
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,320
States of America whose Constitution

684
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,440
mentions and asks for the blessing of

685
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,880
almighty God. Any guesses as to what

686
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,840
state that would be? It'll shock you.

687
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,480
It's ours.

688
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,640
It's our state and our preamble.

689
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,920
It appeals to almighty God for blessing

690
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:03,920
and to keep us on the straight and

691
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,920
narrow. I think we could maybe start

692
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,200
praying that.

693
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,840
Um

694
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,200
So, I wanted to go back and look at

695
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,640
something that I thought was really a

696
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:12,840
really interesting. And the first

697
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,360
Continental Congress in um September

698
00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:17,680
7th, 1774. You know, we just had our

699
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,840
250th anniversary, right? Very short.

700
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,120
It's really short. It'll be less than my

701
00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:24,080
5 minutes, I promise.

702
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,760
Um So, the first prayer of the

703
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,600
Continental Congress and I thought it

704
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:28,880
could

705
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,040
benefit us.

706
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,400
It says, "Oh Lord, our heavenly Father,

707
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,080
high and mighty King of kings and Lord

708
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,320
of lords, who dost from thy throne" It's

709
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,720
old English.

710
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,640
"Behold all the dwellers on earth and

711
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,640
reignest with power supreme and

712
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,320
uncontrolled over all the kingdoms,

713
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,600
empires, and governments. Look down in

714
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,960
mercy." I think we could use that. "We

715
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,960
beseech thee on these our American

716
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,800
states who have fled to thee from the

717
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,400
rod of thy oppressor and thrown

718
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,200
themselves on thy gracious protection,

719
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,680
desiring to be henceforth dependent only

720
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,080
on thee.

721
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,240
And to thee, you,

722
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,000
have they appealed

723
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,000
for the righteousness of their cause. To

724
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,480
thee do they now look up for that

725
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,640
countenance and support which thou only

726
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,960
canst give.

727
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,280
Take them therefore, heavenly Father,

728
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,920
under thy nurturing care. Give them

729
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,800
wisdom and counsel.

730
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,520
We're a council, right?

731
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,880
I pray wisdom for you guys. And valor in

732
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,000
the field. Defeat the malicious designs

733
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,640
of our cruel adversaries. Convince them

734
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,800
of the unrighteousness of their cause.

735
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,840
And if they persist in their sanguinary

736
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,080
purposes

737
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,560
of own unerring justice sounding in

738
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,320
their hearts, constrain them to drop the

739
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,600
weapons of war from their unnerved hands

740
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,520
in the day of battle. Be thou present,

741
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:39,880
oh God of wisdom, and direct the

742
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,280
councils of this honorable assembly. I'm

743
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,920
hoping this is an honorable assembly. I

744
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,320
know you all pretty well. I think you

745
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,400
are.

746
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,560
Enable them to settle things on the best

747
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,400
and surest foundation

748
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,480
that the scene of blood may be speedily

749
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,160
that order, harmony, and peace may be

750
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,040
effectively restored, and truth and

751
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,640
justice, religion and piety prevail and

752
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,520
flourish amongst the people.

753
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,680
Preserve the health of their bodies, and

754
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,120
I would like to extend that to this

755
00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:05,520
body,

756
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,640
and vigor of their minds. Shower down on

757
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,040
them the millions they here represent.

758
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,560
Okay, well, Escalante's maybe only a few

759
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,480
thousand, but that's okay.

760
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,560
Such temporal blessings as thou seest

761
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,240
expedient for them in this world, and

762
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,880
crown them with everlasting glory in the

763
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,880
world to come. And all of this we ask in

764
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,520
the name to the merits of Jesus Christ,

765
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,520
son and our savior. Amen. That was

766
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,200
Reverend Jacob Duché, rector of Christ

767
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,200
Church on September 7th, 1774.

768
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,840
But you know, those words still ring

769
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:32,960
true.

770
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,240
And once they're released into the

771
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,440
atmosphere and the frequency, oh, I took

772
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,800
more than my 5 minutes, sorry. Um,

773
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,760
they still permeate, so

774
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,800
may you all have wisdom tonight.

775
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:43,680
>> Thank you.

776
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,640
for the kind words.

777
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:56,590
Um, anyone else like to say anything?

778
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:57,880
» Good evening.

779
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,440
Um, I'm happy to be here, especially in

780
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:01,760
Escalante.

781
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,600
My wife and I just moved here in uh

782
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,240
January of 2024, and I'm and she is

783
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,160
absolutely thrilled to be here.

784
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,320
It's the best little community ever, so

785
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,560
I hope everyone here appreciates what

786
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,640
you have, cuz it's awesome.

787
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:17,880
Uh, the other thing I wanted to talk to

788
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,240
you about, and by the way, my name is

789
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,040
Travis Clement, and my wife is Connie

790
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,640
Clement. We live over here in uh

791
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,160
Country Wood Estates. So, Country Wood

792
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,440
Estates is what I wanted to ask you

793
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,400
about, and it's the assessment.

794
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,920
And I was wondering, has anyone ever

795
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,800
tried to do this assessment increase

796
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,520
since it was originally put into place?

797
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,640
Why did it get turned down?

798
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:41,280
Uh,

799
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,440
you know, do you have any insight on

800
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,750
that?

801
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,600
» You want to give a brief overview? I question real quick?

802
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,000
Are Are you asking about the park

803
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,440
improvements or are you talking about

804
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:52,680
the annual

805
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,440
>> park improvements, the lighting,

806
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,160
uh fix-ups and stuff that's needed, the

807
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,760
fence that's

808
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:58,600
falling apart.

809
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,960
>> You need to just call timeout cuz we

810
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,520
will get into that in the public

811
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:03,120
hearing.

812
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:03,600
>> Oh, okay.

813
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,040
>> next agenda item.

814
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,200
>> Sounds all right. That's fair.

815
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,360
>> That's Bill Eltara, though.

816
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,640
>> I think we're probably okay to go ahead

817
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:08,720
and

818
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:09,920
>> Just give a brief response.

819
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,800
>> Yeah, if he's talking about the park,

820
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,640
the Swanson Park uh improvement, then

821
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,760
that was voted on prior.

822
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,440
Assume you're talking about the Yeah,

823
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:18,760
okay.

824
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,760
>> Okay, my apologies. I thought you were

825
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,600
talking about the overall assessment.

826
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,360
>> No, no, just for the country club.

827
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,520
>> Um actually, that same neighborhood had,

828
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,640
I think,

829
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,600
2013, 2014 had voted in to install the

830
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,320
playground that is now there. So, they

831
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,720
had gone through that process um several

832
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,240
years ago. I think what we heard from

833
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,320
this particular vote is um the

834
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:48,000
neighborhood to the north, south?

835
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,200
>> South side that's not

836
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,080
>> The neighborhood to the south doesn't

837
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,240
>> Yeah, doesn't, right? The neighborhood

838
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,200
to the south um is not part of the

839
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,520
district and therefore isn't paying into

840
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,520
the district. Um and so there was some

841
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,280
views on inequity in that regard. Um

842
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,600
what we also heard, there was many who

843
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,080
probably no longer have children and and

844
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,560
didn't

845
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,240
wouldn't benefit from the services as

846
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,520
much as uh those who did. Um so, that

847
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,360
was, I think, what we mostly heard in

848
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,120
terms of why it was voted down this

849
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,360
time.

850
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,920
>> Okay, I can understand that. And the

851
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,880
thing for me is no children here for us,

852
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,480
you know, ours are long gone and and uh

853
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,560
no grandkids or anything to bring to

854
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,800
play, but I know kids need place to play

855
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,720
and need to keep it nice, and it is

856
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,360
nice, and I want it to stay that way.

857
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,320
And uh so, I I voted for the assessment.

858
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,040
And even though it was kind of a huge

859
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,520
jump from 0.03 for us to 1,000, but

860
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,880
I think it's worth it. And uh

861
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,520
I I understand, you know, people

862
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,960
thinking it's not fair if they're not

863
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,960
uh people who are there benefiting or

864
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,760
are not being assessed. So, I get it.

865
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,280
Thank you for the insight on that.

866
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,520
Thank you again for having such a

867
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,000
beautiful city for us to come to.

868
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:06,880
>> Welcome to the city.

869
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,960
>> Yeah, welcome to the city, Travis.

870
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,240
You said Clements, right?

871
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:10,840
>> Yes.

872
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:17,270
>> Got you.

873
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,160
Uh anyone else like to make a uh

874
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:31,110
statement or say something?

875
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,800
» My name's Kurt Paulus. I've been born

876
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,800
and raised here in Escalon. I graduated

877
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,520
in 1978, and I'm here to offer a

878
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,400
proposal caretaker on the property that

879
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,320
you the city bought from the Varos, the

880
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:51,000
19.2 acres next to the community center.

881
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,600
And in my interest in this is where my

882
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,880
family, we owned that property for a

883
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,040
total of 72 years, which my grandfather

884
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,920
and then my father, they don't when we

885
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,480
sold it to the Varos.

886
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,480
Where I'm a single guy, and there's a

887
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,040
little unit in the house where what my

888
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,800
proposal is

889
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,040
I have three folders here that

890
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,680
I could hand out to where you could take

891
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,360
a look and get an idea, and I'd come

892
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:17,880
back and tell you

893
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:29,430
where, you know, my deal connects.

894
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,040
There There's pictures in the folder

895
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,000
that I just took yesterday of uh

896
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,840
Just how it looks, you know, the property out

897
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,160
in front, the weeds and everything. And

898
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,080
my proposal is just to keep it clean.

899
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:45,840
And

900
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:46,960
nice

901
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,160
good-looking for there's the small unit

902
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,920
in the very back. This is a real small

903
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,000
unit. It's two rooms and it has a

904
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,320
bathroom and stuff and that's what my

905
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,760
offer is for taking care of property.

906
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,400
And that's

907
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,200
pretty much my proposal, you know, where

908
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,040
I just

909
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,400
um watch over it

910
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,400
till the time came of

911
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,480
there and I put an agreement in here

912
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,840
where uh

913
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,760
I'm not very good at this, but yeah, I

914
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,760
put an agreement where if you needed me

915
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,920
to go or it was like just give me 30

916
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,840
days or whatever, but

917
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,720
I've been a long time residents of here,

918
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,560
never been in trouble in my life and I'm

919
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,080
so I just like to could you look at it

920
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,840
and cons- consider it.

921
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,520
>> All right. We'll definitely consider it.

922
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,200
We'll have to read through your proposal

923
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:37,600
and

924
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:38,200
>> All righty.

925
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,600
>> I think no one up here is probably

926
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:41,800
against

927
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:42,160
>> Uh-huh.

928
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,880
>> speak for everyone, but probably against

929
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,320
uh reading your proposal and seeing what

930
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:46,320
you

931
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,400
and you're asking for.

932
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:48,400
>> Okay. Thank you.

933
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,168
>> No problem.

934
00:33:51,178 --> 00:33:54,190
» [clears throat]

935
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,630
» Uh anyone else?

936
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,680
No. Okay, we'll go online.

937
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,200
Okay.

938
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,400
Back to dais.

939
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,480
All right. We'll go to public hearings

940
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,863
now and start with seven.

941
00:34:08,863 --> 00:34:14,350
>> [snorts]

942
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:15,760
» May I introduce it?

943
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,080
>> Thank you, Mayor. Uh so this is

944
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,720
a continuation of the public hearing to

945
00:34:19,720 --> 00:34:21,760
confirm the engineer's report and

946
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,720
ordering the levy of assessments for

947
00:34:23,720 --> 00:34:26,679
next fiscal year 2026-2027 for all of

948
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:28,760
the assessment districts, which includes

949
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,600
the Bella Terra Estates, the uh Estates

950
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,560
Benefit Assessment District, Estates

951
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,280
Landscaping and Lighting

952
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,600
Maintenance District, Sunrise Terrace,

953
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,240
and Westwood Country Landscape and

954
00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:44,669
Lighting Maintenance District. Um

955
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:45,480
Uh

956
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,399
as you as we went through a lot of the

957
00:34:47,399 --> 00:34:50,320
details in the last meeting, um this is

958
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:51,919
like I mentioned is a continuation. It

959
00:34:51,919 --> 00:34:54,960
requires two um public hearings in order

960
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,920
to move this forward. It is the annual

961
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,880
um assessments. So, unlike the other

962
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,240
item that was discussed and not to

963
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:04,240
confuse it with that one, this is for

964
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:06,880
the annual ongoing maintenance, not for

965
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,120
any upgraded improvements or anything

966
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,200
like that. Um it's a routine but

967
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,680
essential action to fund the various

968
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,080
different components of the

969
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,240
neighborhoods, um which is uh in

970
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:20,560
includes landscaping, lighting, and

971
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,320
maintenance, uh wood fences, chain link

972
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,800
fences, drainage basins, um all of the

973
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,560
things that keep the neighborhoods safe

974
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,160
and operating. Um the engineers' reports

975
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,480
that are attached to each one of these

976
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,040
um districts confirmed all of the costs

977
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,240
required for the assessments for the

978
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:40,720
next fiscal year. Um every year those

979
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:44,280
engineers' reports are um re- reviewed

980
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,640
and edited and uh starting with this

981
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,400
year we're providing the redline

982
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,960
versions of you so you can see if any

983
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,920
changes were made um to the budget or

984
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,960
any of the descriptions or histories um

985
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,280
for the for each district.

986
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,600
Um so, these uh assessment districts

987
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:01,920
ensure neighborhood landscaping and

988
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,800
lighting are properly funded and they

989
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,560
provide the legal and financial basis

990
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,000
for the levies. Um so, with that the

991
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,800
recommendation is to go ahead and uh

992
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,560
conduct the public hearing, hear from

993
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,640
anybody that wants to discuss it, and

994
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,680
then adopt the resolutions to confirm

995
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,480
the engineers' reports.

996
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:19,040
>> Thank you, manager.

997
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,920
>> Yeah, and I'll just add one note. Uh we

998
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,760
did, as Trevor mentioned, continue this

999
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,400
item from the July 20th meeting. At that

1000
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,920
time we discovered that the additional

1001
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,280
uh outreach and notification to each

1002
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,680
resident within each property owner

1003
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,560
within the districts was not completed.

1004
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,640
Um this is something that we had added

1005
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,280
uh this year based on council uh

1006
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,040
direction to really provide as much

1007
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,000
information as possible to the

1008
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,920
residents. And so one of the things that

1009
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,800
we added was of course this notice of

1010
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,760
the public hearing that's uh happening

1011
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,840
tonight. But also we put in a line item

1012
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,240
um expenditure report for everything

1013
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:02,800
that is spent in each district. So every

1014
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,160
monthly uh utility bill, every every

1015
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,760
monthly water bill, uh every monthly

1016
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,240
landscaping bill, we put it all in there

1017
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:13,600
to show the residents exactly um what

1018
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,000
their assessment is made up of and they

1019
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,800
can compare that expense report to this

1020
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,880
new assessment and show kind of where

1021
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,160
we're at and and how we got there.

1022
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,840
Um so that was something we we added

1023
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,880
new. Again, we uh had not um completed

1024
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,120
that prior to the July 20th meeting and

1025
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,120
so we continued that until today.

1026
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,520
>> Okay.

1027
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,440
Well, uh thank you for the transparency.

1028
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:39,560
I think

1029
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:40,640
um

1030
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,280
you guys have been doing a great job

1031
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,400
kind of

1032
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,360
more and more

1033
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,120
allowing the citizens to see, you know,

1034
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:49,560
how everything plays out behind the

1035
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,160
scenes. So it's really appreciated. Um

1036
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,680
So um

1037
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,080
Anyone want to say anything up here

1038
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,680
before I go to the citizens first or

1039
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,840
I have some questions for the consultant

1040
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:03,600
but I'll wait.

1041
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,600
>> Okay.

1042
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,520
We'll go out this time and see if

1043
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,280
anyone from the public would like to

1044
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:21,670
make a comment on number seven.

1045
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,000
» Hi.

1046
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,720
My name is Loretta Borbazon. I live in

1047
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:28,040
the Bella Terra state.

1048
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,280
Um my understanding I did see the

1049
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,040
what the gentleman stated, the breakdown

1050
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,440
of everything, the cost, $101,000

1051
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,160
divided by 143

1052
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,000
homes would cost me $700 extra every

1053
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:43,960
year.

1054
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,720
I don't mind as long as it looks nice

1055
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:47,760
and neat. I was out there today. I've

1056
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,960
seen weeds out there, dry spots.

1057
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,760
I have pictures to prove it. I mean, if

1058
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,160
I'm going to pay this extra money, I

1059
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,680
expect everything to be tip-top shape.

1060
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,840
And I'm wondering why.

1061
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,240
>> Okay.

1062
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:04,480
You want to um actually probably public

1063
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:05,280
works.

1064
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,480
>> Yeah, that's that's funny she brings

1065
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:07,840
that up. Just in communication I met

1066
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,040
with Grover over there today. Um they

1067
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,320
were having some issues with some of the

1068
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:12,600
sprinkler system. Change out a few

1069
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:13,840
sprinklers in the next few days. They

1070
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,200
will be addressing that. She's exactly

1071
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,840
right. Yeah, the park uh itself right

1072
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,200
now is not acceptable. There's lots of

1073
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,760
dry areas, but we are aware of it.

1074
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,480
Grover's addressing that as we speak.

1075
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,360
>> There are weeds, too. They're not

1076
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,080
pulling the weeds. They're not pulling

1077
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,560
the weeds in the cement. They're not

1078
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,600
pulling the weeds in the park.

1079
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:30,760
>> We'll definitely address that.

1080
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:31,600
>> Okay.

1081
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,720
>> Loretta, would you um mind reporting

1082
00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:34,320
back?

1083
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:35,640
>> No, not at all.

1084
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:36,440
>> Sounds good.

1085
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,520
>> Okay. Thank you very much.

1086
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,240
You want to deduct my bill? I'd be more

1087
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:40,952
than happy to.

1088
00:39:40,952 --> 00:39:44,310
>> [laughter]

1089
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,440
» Um anyone else?

1090
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,360
No? Okay.

1091
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,360
We'll bring back the dais. Actually,

1092
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,800
sorry, online first.

1093
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,000
>> Um no.

1094
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:55,440
>> Dias?

1095
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:56,920
>> No hands raised online.

1096
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,240
>> Councilman

1097
00:39:58,240 --> 00:39:59,000
>> I had a question.

1098
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,400
>> Yeah, do we have our consultant here?

1099
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,920
>> We do.

1100
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,080
>> Can we please invite him or her to the

1101
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,240
podium?

1102
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:07,640
>> Her, and her name is Melanie.

1103
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:08,080
>> Okay.

1104
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,120
>> And she's online.

1105
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,320
>> Okay.

1106
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,920
Uh good evening, Melanie. Um in

1107
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,360
reviewing these, um

1108
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,280
is street sweeping included for all of

1109
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,520
the uh

1110
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:26,950
LLDs and FY 2026-27 as a cost?

1111
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,360
» So, when we looked at So, sorry.

1112
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,320
Let me start from the beginning. Go

1113
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,840
back. Hi, my name is Melanie Lee. I'm

1114
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,760
with consultant with SCI Consulting

1115
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,120
Group and we are the new LMD

1116
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,680
administrators for the city's um um for

1117
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,200
LL um LLMDs and the one benefit

1118
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,960
assessment district. Um for the Indian

1119
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,400
Street report, the um Estates benefit

1120
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:50,960
assessment district is the only one that

1121
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,640
specifically calls out the street

1122
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,840
sweeping in a line item budget in the

1123
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,120
engineer's report, whereas the other

1124
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,040
ones have it included under professional

1125
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,680
services. And if you um look at the back

1126
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,040
of the engineer's report where there's

1127
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,200
an appendix, they will have um

1128
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,120
specifically the street sweeping um

1129
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,320
uh

1130
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,240
expenditures in that part of the um the

1131
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:15,160
engineer's report.

1132
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,080
>> Okay, so they are

1133
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,160
the street sweeping is accounted for in

1134
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,320
the LLMD costs, correct?

1135
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,560
>> Yes, if it's in the expenditures um

1136
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,640
report that was provided, it is.

1137
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,560
>> Okay, so

1138
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,110
um

1139
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,640
I I I have I take exception with some of

1140
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,400
these costs. Um they're very real costs

1141
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,280
and and I'm not arguing that they're

1142
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,600
100% real costs. I mean, I will say uh

1143
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,640
as the mayor alluded to, the accounting

1144
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,120
and the reports that we are getting uh

1145
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,720
for actual costs are very real and it's

1146
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:55,440
very understandable.

1147
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,080
And but that being said, the the intent

1148
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,240
of an LLMD is to provide

1149
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:03,800
uh special benefits to those residents

1150
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,560
within the LLMD um and it's specific

1151
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,480
specifically noted

1152
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,400
the special benefits associated with

1153
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,640
local landscaping improvements are

1154
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,160
specifically

1155
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,960
enhanced desirability of properties due

1156
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,880
to proximity and accessibility of the

1157
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,480
improvements,

1158
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,600
improved aesthetic appeal provided by a

1159
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,200
positive representation of the

1160
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:26,520
development, neighborhood, and the

1161
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,120
community,

1162
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,200
improved accessibility for emergency

1163
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,360
vehicles, and reduced vandalism and

1164
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,280
other criminal activity.

1165
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,360
If I'm going through and I'm looking at

1166
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,280
some of these costs,

1167
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,400
um

1168
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:48,000
I don't know. I I take exception to

1169
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,040
the LLMDs

1170
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,240
because the grass at Sanchez Park is the

1171
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:55,160
same color green that's currently at

1172
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,160
Shadowood Park.

1173
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,480
The masonry wall that is at Brentwood

1174
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:01,720
Estates

1175
00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:04,720
is the same Brent same masonry wall that

1176
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:06,680
currently surrounds

1177
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,480
Bellaterra.

1178
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,040
And

1179
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,160
I understand we have to cover the costs.

1180
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:17,240
That's our job as council to ensure that

1181
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:18,280
the

1182
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,080
community or the city remains

1183
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,040
financially solvent.

1184
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,440
But as we witnessed uh

1185
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,400
when with the 218 vote that came before

1186
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:29,240
us

1187
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:32,170
regarding the improvements of um

1188
00:43:32,170 --> 00:43:33,640
>> [snorts]

1189
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,680
>> What's what What's this park?

1190
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,960
>> Swanson With Swanson Park,

1191
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,120
I I believe that the

1192
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,280
it's almost getting to the point where

1193
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:45,520
um

1194
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,680
the LLMDs are pitting neighbor against

1195
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:49,800
neighbor.

1196
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,280
Uh we we have an audience member

1197
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,600
uh in the audience tonight that when the

1198
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,840
discussion came up regarding the

1199
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,840
improvements at Swanson Park,

1200
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,400
um he specifically

1201
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:04,680
told

1202
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,160
the council,

1203
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,280
"I'm not paying for those. I will pay

1204
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,360
for those improvements,

1205
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,880
but they have to belong to the LLMD.

1206
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,760
And essentially, what we have is

1207
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,160
and I understand it's a choice. You

1208
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,440
decided to move into that neighborhood.

1209
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,640
You decided to take on this extra cost.

1210
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,600
However,

1211
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,880
I did an informal poll

1212
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:34,480
uh of residents in all of the LLMDs.

1213
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,480
I asked them one simple question.

1214
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,560
Explain to me the the special benefits

1215
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,840
that you get from living in an LLMD.

1216
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,120
And five out of five people said,

1217
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,120
"Not a damn thing."

1218
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,870
So,

1219
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,920
but it it's our job to make sure that

1220
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,400
the city stays financially solvent. If

1221
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,880
we vote this down,

1222
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:01,920
then the lights go off. Then the grass

1223
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,840
grows.

1224
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,320
The that uh

1225
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,040
to uh what the lady said previously,

1226
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,840
then we have even more weeds.

1227
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,720
But I think we as a council

1228
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:17,680
really need to look at

1229
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,840
what we're doing for LLMDs

1230
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,600
moving forward.

1231
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,440
Because now, what you have is you're

1232
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,760
pitting neighbor against neighbor.

1233
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,800
The people that live within the LLMDs

1234
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,560
don't understand the benefits that

1235
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,240
they're getting.

1236
00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:36,200
Um

1237
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,040
question for the

1238
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,160
actually, city manager wasn't here, but

1239
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,280
so question for public works. When we

1240
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,560
put the uh backstop in at Shadowwood

1241
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,680
Park, did that trigger a 218 vote?

1242
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,400
>> I do not believe so.

1243
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,440
>> So, how did we charge

1244
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,200
the residents of Bella Terra for

1245
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,280
to repair a back charge or a back but

1246
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,856
backstop

1247
00:46:00,856 --> 00:46:00,920
>> [snorts]

1248
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,880
>> that they never never even proved to be

1249
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,320
put to put in in the first place.

1250
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:07,960
And additionally, the reason I asked the

1251
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,040
question about street sweeping

1252
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,320
is I live on here 70th Avenue.

1253
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,800
Street sweeping to me

1254
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:20,080
is part of the taxes that I pay.

1255
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,680
If you ask those same residents on

1256
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,680
California California Street, guess

1257
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,160
what?

1258
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,960
They're paying for street sweeping.

1259
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,880
So, I I'm imploring the council and

1260
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,160
staff

1261
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,640
that we seriously need to look at

1262
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,560
what we're doing for LLMDs moving

1263
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:40,760
forward.

1264
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,560
Because if our residents aren't

1265
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,440
understanding and can't appreciate the

1266
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,280
special benefit

1267
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,040
that they're getting,

1268
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,240
why do we even have LLMDs in the first

1269
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:55,270
place?

1270
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,160
That's all I want to say.

1271
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,720
>> Well, I'd [clears throat] say

1272
00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:01,040
um

1273
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,760
personally, I would think you need to

1274
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,880
maybe formulate the some more specifics.

1275
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:08,880
Uh

1276
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,240
that way if there is something that's

1277
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:11,720
being lost in translation, it can be

1278
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:13,160
translated.

1279
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,040
As well as uh

1280
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:16,560
you know,

1281
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,160
the understanding of of why, I think, is

1282
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,880
important. Um

1283
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,200
Other than that, I think,

1284
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,480
you know, if you don't have these things

1285
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,280
in in place, then, generally speaking, it's

1286
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,160
my understanding that the

1287
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:33,880
those general areas start to kind of

1288
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,600
become dilapidated or start to fall

1289
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,720
apart. Um

1290
00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:40,800
so, maybe we can do a better job at I

1291
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,640
think

1292
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,560
at some point itemizing or showing

1293
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,313
exactly,

1294
00:47:46,313 --> 00:47:46,480
>> [clears throat]

1295
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:47,640
>> you know,

1296
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,080
what they're getting if they're not

1297
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,120
quite understanding what that is.

1298
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:52,600
>> I don't think I don't think that's

1299
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,000
necessarily the issue, Mr. Mayor.

1300
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,080
>> Well, what's the issue?

1301
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,520
>> I think the issue is is that

1302
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,680
the original intent of the LLMDs was to

1303
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,280
truly provide a special benefit to the

1304
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,880
residents when they moved in there.

1305
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,160
And through time, through attrition,

1306
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,640
through what have you,

1307
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,280
the special benefit is lost.

1308
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,960
Um, for example,

1309
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,880
improved accessibility for emergency

1310
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,480
vehicles.

1311
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,923
What on God's green earth are we

1312
00:48:26,923 --> 00:48:28,960
[snorts] doing to provide

1313
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,440
improved accessibility for emergency

1314
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,240
vehicles in the estates?

1315
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:36,760
There's no improved In fact, it's

1316
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,960
because the streets are so narrow, it's

1317
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,920
actually creating a bigger bottleneck.

1318
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,760
And so,

1319
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,040
I I'm I'm asking I don't have the

1320
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,640
answer. I and this isn't going to turn

1321
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,600
into a complete complaint session

1322
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,240
because

1323
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:54,040
uh

1324
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:55,680
we're not here the whole time, but the

1325
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,280
reality is

1326
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,480
we need to figure out holistically

1327
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,960
what is truly the special benefit that

1328
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,560
our residents within the LLMDs, what are

1329
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,440
they getting? What are they getting for

1330
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:08,760
what they pay for?

1331
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,040
>> Like it I guess [clears throat] what I

1332
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,520
would say is

1333
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,240
um maybe go through those walk through

1334
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:15,360
that

1335
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,000
exercise and

1336
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,680
maybe for each LLMD and specifically

1337
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:21,880
write down

1338
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:22,160
>> Okay.

1339
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,720
>> what your concerns are so then we can

1340
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:27,800
kind of talk about it um and see if

1341
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,640
there's some solution or some issue that

1342
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,400
maybe we're missing. I'm not against you

1343
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:33,840
know, looking at it,

1344
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:35,880
but I also

1345
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,560
don't uh

1346
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,360
don't fully understand what you're

1347
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:40,760
saying, but I

1348
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,440
I'd be more than happy to go over it

1349
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:43,560
with you.

1350
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,600
>> Well, I I think it's it's more so a

1351
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,720
general conversation at a future

1352
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:50,720
meeting.

1353
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:51,760
>> Okay.

1354
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,280
Um

1355
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:54,960
Yeah, I don't have a problem with that,

1356
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:55,720
but

1357
00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:56,400
>> With that, can we

1358
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,840
>> But I think it needs to be more

1359
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,080
specific. I think you need to

1360
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:00,960
Right now, you're talking in

1361
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,760
generalities a lot. You did give one

1362
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,200
specific, but it would be nice to kind

1363
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,080
of I think you'd have to hit these one

1364
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,240
at a time, where you'd have to have some

1365
00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:11,440
sort of uh

1366
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:12,440
you know,

1367
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,400
research of it in the background, see if

1368
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:15,880
there's something that can be fixed, and

1369
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,800
if it can't, then I'll be more than

1370
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,960
happy to bring it to the dais.

1371
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,520
>> Okay.

1372
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,760
>> Can we reopen the public hearing?

1373
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,280
>> Can another council member speak first?

1374
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:25,720
>> Yeah.

1375
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:26,400
>> I personally think

1376
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:27,640
>> And and Mayor, if you're going to reopen

1377
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,080
the public hearing, I would just speak

1378
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,480
cautious to that because uh we can't

1379
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,200
open and close public comment and public

1380
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:34,880
hearing just arbitrarily

1381
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:35,120
>> I got

1382
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:36,520
>> and someone wants to because at some

1383
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:37,600
point we're going to have to say no to

1384
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:38,200
somebody,

1385
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:39,640
>> Exactly. They're going to say

1386
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,200
>> And you know, so we just have to be

1387
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:42,200
careful with that.

1388
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:43,560
>> I get it.

1389
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,360
>> Um Councilman Kay.

1390
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,200
>> I personally think the statements that

1391
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:48,400
you just made were actually a lot more

1392
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,280
divisive than running a 218 vote for

1393
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:51,640
something that a member of a community

1394
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,400
wanted. You know as well as I do, with

1395
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,560
the initiation of Prop 13, it limited

1396
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:57,920
the tax dollars that were there to

1397
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,360
provide for park services, water

1398
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,720
services, lighting services, general

1399
00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:05,440
upkeep, and that's why LLMDs, LMDs, all

1400
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,480
of them were created in the first place.

1401
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:08,800
They weren't created just to that you

1402
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,400
had all these special benefits over

1403
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,280
every other neighborhood. It was so that

1404
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:13,440
it could support the things that were

1405
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:14,960
being put into that development as it

1406
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:16,680
was being built, and you know that as

1407
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,320
well as I do.

1408
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:19,920
Your backstop, that was about the only

1409
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,560
interesting point that you had there as

1410
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,200
to something that yeah, if there wasn't

1411
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:24,680
a 218 vote for it, I don't believe that

1412
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,520
we should be able to charge that LLMD.

1413
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:27,960
Aside from that, I think that you know

1414
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,000
exactly why these fees are charged, why

1415
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,480
all of these things, why they're listed

1416
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,240
the way that they are, including street

1417
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:35,640
sweeping services. Every one of those

1418
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:36,800
has to be accounted for as these

1419
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,440
neighborhoods are built, otherwise there

1420
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,200
is no way to finance them. They come

1421
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,920
directly out of the general fund or like

1422
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,240
I said, Prop 13 made it impossible for

1423
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:46,840
us to continue enough tax revenue to

1424
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,800
support those items, it would bankrupt

1425
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,040
the city and that's why those things

1426
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,720
came to be. You know that. I don't

1427
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:54,600
appreciate you acting like you or you're

1428
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:55,880
unaware of this and you think that this

1429
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,480
is all special stuff. It's not special

1430
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,160
stuff. That's how we have to run a city.

1431
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,480
>> I I understand that Council Member King

1432
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,920
and I respect your opinion. My My

1433
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,480
question now is

1434
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,120
What is What is the special benefit? And

1435
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:11,960
that's That's what I'm struggling with.

1436
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,360
>> Okay, the special benefit is lights on.

1437
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:14,760
>> Okay.

1438
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,360
>> Watering their their parks, taking care

1439
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:17,400
of their grass, taking care of their

1440
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,000
tree services, the benefits that are all

1441
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,080
outlined in those documents. It is all

1442
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,280
spelled out. This is what we are going

1443
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:24,800
to be paying for with the revenue that

1444
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,200
we are going to be taking collecting

1445
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,440
with your fees. The special benefits are

1446
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,120
the lights will shut off, the wa- water

1447
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:32,640
will stop running, the grass will stop

1448
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,000
growing, the trees will stop being

1449
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,960
trimmed. All of it is outlined there.

1450
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,640
When the wall falls down, that's your

1451
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,080
wall and that's your problem. That's

1452
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,240
what would happen if we charge

1453
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:40,920
accordingly.

1454
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,031
>> Okay.

1455
00:52:43,031 --> 00:52:43,320
>> [clears throat]

1456
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:44,920
>> If there is any further questions, I

1457
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,680
think probably best thing to do is get

1458
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,560
with city manager and kind of walk

1459
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,440
through it. And then if there's still

1460
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,320
concern, then then bring it back.

1461
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:54,560
>> Absolutely.

1462
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,440
>> I think in the meantime, I think um

1463
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,040
cuz there's difference between general

1464
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:00,840
use and special use, I get what you're

1465
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,360
saying. But I also um

1466
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,240
think what Councilman King is saying is,

1467
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:09,120
you know, spot-on. So, I think probably

1468
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,240
talk to the city manager,

1469
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:12,800
get on the same page and if there's an

1470
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,200
issue, then bring it back.

1471
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:15,720
>> May- maybe we need to have a town hall

1472
00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:17,520
and explain how it is that that LMDs

1473
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,080
came to be and and where these fees come

1474
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,760
from. I I don't know.

1475
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,920
Uh but, you know, we we know full well

1476
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,360
why it is that we charge the things that

1477
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,160
we charge for. Like I said, your

1478
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,080
backstop statement was about the only

1479
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:29,720
one that does actually spark my interest

1480
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:31,960
as that is something that if they didn't

1481
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:32,800
uh

1482
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,640
vo- voted in, the backstop's in in the

1483
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,640
place, the city should be taking care of

1484
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:37,920
any repair cost for them. We should not

1485
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,120
be billing the residents for it. Do we

1486
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,360
fix the backstop this year?

1487
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,040
>> Yes, well it was charged in 25, 26.

1488
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:45,720
>> It was charged in

1489
00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:48,920
>> The the repair the backstop.

1490
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,240
>> So I mean that that is something that

1491
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:51,280
should be addressed, you know,

1492
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,200
individually and probably before we both

1493
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:54,920
bought this in. Because

1494
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,360
I agree with you. If they didn't vote it

1495
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,280
in as a 218 vote, we installed it as a

1496
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,080
city or a private entity, one of you

1497
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:02,960
know, Lions Club or etc. whatever it was

1498
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,680
that that put it in,

1499
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:05,760
then they are not financially

1500
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,840
responsible to pay for that. But aside

1501
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,600
from that, all of the rest of that was a

1502
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,880
whole bunch of hubbub about nothing when

1503
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,520
you know, we know why it is that we

1504
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:14,960
charge these fees and why they have to

1505
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,400
be paid.

1506
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:17,840
>> Um Pro Tem? [clears throat]

1507
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,000
>> Uh yeah, I have a couple of comments. I

1508
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,880
don't entirely disagree with Council

1509
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,560
Stroman. Uh some there are in the

1510
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,360
language in the engineer's report uh

1511
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,120
general benefits and special benefits

1512
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:29,880
and these LLMDs are supposed to have

1513
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,400
special benefits. They do.

1514
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,320
Uh we do have the parks and the

1515
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,760
playgrounds that are upgraded, they are

1516
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,160
upkept, they are repaired much more

1517
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,000
often. Um for example, Sanchez was

1518
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,960
dilapidated, they were it was not in the

1519
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:48,080
LLMD and to get that replaced, we had

1520
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,320
donations from Lions Club. They redid

1521
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,480
that whole park and and that was how we

1522
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,600
actually got the funds to do so.

1523
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,960
Uh in the LLMDs, those those playgrounds

1524
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,120
get

1525
00:54:58,120 --> 00:54:58,840
um

1526
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,320
repaired.

1527
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,000
Uh and may or may not make choices on

1528
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,720
what trees go in when there's an LLMD

1529
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:07,520
and when there is not. So that there are

1530
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:08,880
those choices, there are special

1531
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,200
benefits.

1532
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:11,880
Do I think street sweeping is one of

1533
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:13,400
them? Probably not. That could be a

1534
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,480
discussion. There are here and there

1535
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,680
what is general, what is special. So um

1536
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,120
don't entirely disagree with you,

1537
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,080
Council Stroman. Uh as for the

1538
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:22,600
backstops,

1539
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,640
if I remember correctly, cuz I think I

1540
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,080
was on recreation commission at the

1541
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:27,160
time,

1542
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,520
um those were a COVID

1543
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,640
uh expense that we had COVID monies for

1544
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,920
and then that was to separate so that

1545
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,840
kids have more places to play so they

1546
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,240
weren't just ball collecting at our one

1547
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:43,200
park that has baseball fields. So, I

1548
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:44,920
think that was we used to some of our

1549
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,360
code if if you can correct me if I'm

1550
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,520
wrong, but I do believe we put in extra

1551
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,640
backstops at extra parks so that we had

1552
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,360
more play space spread out. Is that

1553
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:56,880
>> I can't give you I can't give you

1554
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,440
comments on the funding. I'm just asked

1555
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,120
to put in a backstop and we put in

1556
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:00,680
backstop.

1557
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,000
>> But it was around that time period, is

1558
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,160
that correct? Yeah, so I'm

1559
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,040
that is how the backstops came to be and

1560
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,080
why the backstops came to be and why we

1561
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:10,840
weren't waiting for a vote on it and it

1562
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,280
was minimal cost for those metal

1563
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,000
backstops as well. So, that's how they

1564
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,400
got there, why why there was not a pause

1565
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:18,080
on those.

1566
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:19,560
>> Well, my my statement is just that if we

1567
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,280
put it in as a city and we didn't do a

1568
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,240
218 vote on it at the time, we can't

1569
00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:26,400
charge them for repairs on it now. 100%

1570
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,600
and I think that our legal professional

1571
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,280
would agree with that.

1572
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,160
>> If it's not listed as an improvement in

1573
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,800
the original formation documents,

1574
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,000
um then yeah, I would I would agree with

1575
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:39,720
it. I but I I can't opine because I

1576
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:41,000
don't have it I don't know.

1577
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:41,800
>> Right. But if it that's

1578
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:42,720
>> No, no, we have that information.

1579
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:44,920
>> If that's the case, if your major

1580
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,000
premise is true, then yeah, then that's

1581
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:47,840
true.

1582
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,720
>> Why don't we [clears throat]

1583
00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:52,200
uh research that and see where we're at

1584
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:53,240
there

1585
00:56:53,240 --> 00:56:55,640
and then um

1586
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,960
in the meantime, if we do find out that

1587
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,400
there's validity to it, then

1588
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:01,520
um I don't know if there's any way we

1589
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,920
can retroactively

1590
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,280
you know, make that right.

1591
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:06,600
>> I'm sure there could be a credit or

1592
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,800
something in for the future year. I we have to get this to the audit

1593
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,480
controller's office

1594
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,520
tonight. So, if we don't, then we're

1595
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:14,720
going to miss a whole year's worth of

1596
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:15,880
revenue.

1597
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,400
So, I would not I I

1598
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,280
until we can investigate that with

1599
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,000
precision and double-check all of all of

1600
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,480
the facts to make sure it's true, I

1601
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,120
recommend that you levy the assessment

1602
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:28,920
tonight and then we can always apply

1603
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:30,600
some kind of credit or something against

1604
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,680
it difference for the next for the next

1605
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,360
tax year.

1606
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,240
>> I think that seems fair.

1607
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,080
But, Mr. Mayor, can I make one more

1608
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:39,240
statement?

1609
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,920
Um I really appreciate

1610
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,560
your feedback, Council Member Kay.

1611
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,760
My point was that

1612
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,600
yes, we're up against a deadline. We

1613
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,440
cannot

1614
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,120
just stop a whole year's of assessments

1615
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,440
moving forward. Totally respect that. My

1616
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,400
point was that

1617
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,000
I think we I mean from from what we're

1618
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,080
seeing in these engineers' report to

1619
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,040
what we used to see 4 years ago is night

1620
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:07,640
and day different. It's completely

1621
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,480
different. All of the bills are

1622
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,360
itemized. Everything's listed out. We

1623
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,920
know exactly where the funds are going.

1624
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,080
My point is that

1625
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,960
I just would like us to and

1626
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,840
the four of you don't have to do it. I I

1627
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,680
will take on this responsibility. All

1628
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,000
I'm saying is that

1629
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,560
we want to make sure that we are doing

1630
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,240
right by our residents and ensuring that

1631
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,400
these costs are truly a special benefit.

1632
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,240
>> I think uh

1633
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,840
I think that uh

1634
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,200
you know, we're kind of beating a dead

1635
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,600
horse here. I think honestly what we

1636
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,840
needed need to do is just research it.

1637
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:47,240
>> Yep.

1638
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:48,640
>> I have no [clears throat] issue with

1639
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,160
doing obviously do right by the

1640
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,120
community. That's the thing why we're

1641
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:53,360
all up here.

1642
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,680
Um and if you find some something that

1643
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,960
is genuinely an issue, bring it we bring

1644
00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,680
it back. But I think right now I think

1645
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:03,760
we need to realize you know

1646
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,080
that

1647
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:06,560
both of you everyone's made their

1648
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,720
statement except for mainly Councilman

1649
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:09,720
Ogle.

1650
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:11,440
>> I think anything to say at this point

1651
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:12,800
would be redundant. I think all the

1652
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:13,800
points were covered.

1653
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,680
>> Okay. So

1654
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,560
I would humor a motion.

1655
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,840
>> I'll just state that we as a city have

1656
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,800
been known in historically to lower

1657
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,480
assessments after realizing we have

1658
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,080
assessed higher and we do lower in

1659
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,120
following years. So, historically we

1660
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,160
have set a precedent to be able to go

1661
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,600
back, look at that, and then lower those

1662
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,120
assessments in the future in the

1663
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,200
following years. So,

1664
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,640
we'll go ahead and and talk to staff in

1665
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,640
the future and we'll just see what what

1666
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,720
we can find in those numbers.

1667
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:46,520
>> Okay.

1668
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,760
Do we have a motion on this?

1669
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,000
>> Sure, I'll make a motion. Mr. Mayor, I'd

1670
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,320
like to motion to adopt resolution

1671
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,440
number XX26 confirming the engineer's

1672
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,200
reports ordering a levy of assessments

1673
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,640
for fiscal year 2026-27 for the Bella

1674
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,080
Terra Estates Landscape Maintenance

1675
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,560
District number 01-1, Estates Benefit

1676
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,360
Assessment District number 06-1, Estates

1677
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:07,680
Landscape and Lighting Maintenance

1678
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,480
District number number 06-1,

1679
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,360
Sunrise Terrace Landscape Maintenance District number 96-1, and

1680
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,440
Westwood Country Landscape and Lighting

1681
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:20,680
Maintenance District number 02-1,

1682
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:21,920
and

1683
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,040
uh investigate the potential over gym

1684
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:29,080
cost for the backstop and issue a refund

1685
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:30,680
if necessary.

1686
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,160
>> Any second on that?

1687
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:33,080
>> I'll second.

1688
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:34,760
>> Okay. All in favor, say aye.

1689
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:35,760
>> Aye.

1690
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,240
>> All opposed, say nay. Okay.

1691
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:44,990
On to number eight. Um city manager,

1692
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:50,030
» Thank you, Mayor.

1693
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:54,800
So, the item before you is

1694
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,240
to consider a software program that the

1695
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,560
city is looking at in in this particular

1696
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,200
case, it's

1697
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,160
up to a 7-year agreement. Um we get

1698
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:05,960
pricing for 7 years. It's not

1699
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:07,720
necessarily

1700
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,040
we're not bound necessarily by the 7

1701
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:11,960
years. But,

1702
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:15,320
I will get into the introduction and

1703
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,400
then I'll turn it over to Trevin and the

1704
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,487
team to walk through the rest.

1705
01:01:20,487 --> 01:01:21,040
>> [gasps]

1706
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:24,120
>> Um so, the new management team over the

1707
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,600
last three years, um, our efforts have

1708
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,960
been to strive to implement council

1709
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,320
direction, of course, uh, to take steps

1710
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,000
to becoming a more professional

1711
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:35,600
organization,

1712
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,080
um, to improve customer service and

1713
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,880
customer satisfaction has been has has

1714
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,560
been, um,

1715
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,320
feedback provided to us and to make it

1716
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,680
easier for businesses to do business in

1717
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:50,880
town. And this is the council's new, um,

1718
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,640
focus on on economic development.

1719
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,040
We are, of course, continuing to work on

1720
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,920
all of those goals, um, and we, I think,

1721
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,120
make strides each year, uh, but continue

1722
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,440
to work on it.

1723
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,320
Approximately three years ago, um,

1724
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,640
the past council, largely made up of the

1725
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,320
same individuals, um, challenged staff

1726
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,560
to make headway on review of business

1727
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:16,760
licenses and home ox. Those were taking

1728
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,200
between three and seven days. Um, we

1729
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,200
have cut that down in three years to one

1730
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,640
day in every single instance, pretty

1731
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:25,920
much.

1732
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:27,480
Um, [snorts]

1733
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,670
99.999%

1734
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:32,840
Um, and we also, because of the reduced

1735
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,200
review time, we reduced the home ox

1736
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,440
permit cost about 50% at that time. So,

1737
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,480
we were charging less.

1738
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,160
So, this was the kind of first foray

1739
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,640
into looking at how to improve the

1740
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,000
process, how to streamline it a bit,

1741
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:47,800
and,

1742
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,223
um, it's been successful so far.

1743
01:02:50,223 --> 01:02:51,960
>> [clears throat]

1744
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,400
>> Then, as we, um,

1745
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,360
adopted the strategic plan, the

1746
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,160
council's strategic plan that looked at

1747
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,640
economic development, as we formed the

1748
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,120
economic development committee,

1749
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,320
and as we started to draft the economic

1750
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,600
development strategic plan,

1751
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:09,760
um,

1752
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:11,840
much of the conversation in both of

1753
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,000
those circles, the EDC, the economic

1754
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,120
development committee, and the economic

1755
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,640
development strategic plan have focused

1756
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,440
on how to streamline and and make the

1757
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,000
process smoother for businesses to come

1758
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:25,960
in to renew their business, for home

1759
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,400
owners to to come in.

1760
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,360
And so software is is one such tool, of

1761
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,240
course, to help to streamline, to take

1762
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,600
some of the human error and the human

1763
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:38,520
processing where a small staff, we have

1764
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,840
outages sometimes, illnesses, vacations,

1765
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:42,720
those types of things.

1766
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,720
And so as we were looking

1767
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,880
at various software programs, we came

1768
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,680
across OpenGov.

1769
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,160
And we view it as as one of the best out

1770
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,520
there for sure.

1771
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,480
Now, what we recognize is there's a cost

1772
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,960
associated with this effort.

1773
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,920
Um and we bring this to the council

1774
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:10,360
with that background that we are looking

1775
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,400
to make it more

1776
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,520
professional organization, to streamline

1777
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:16,760
the process, to improve customer service

1778
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:21,000
specifically for businesses.

1779
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,920
Um and so with that, I will turn it over

1780
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,160
to Trevin and the team to kind of walk

1781
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,720
through the specifics of the OpenGov

1782
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,120
program, what it does, what it doesn't

1783
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:34,360
do. And in that presentation, we'll walk

1784
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:37,440
through the cost and some of our ideas

1785
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,680
that we have to offset some of the cost

1786
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,720
so there's not a as large of a general

1787
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:44,560
fund subsidy.

1788
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:48,120
>> Thank you, city manager. And I'll I'll dovetail right into the history on

1789
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:50,480
that. As soon as I came on board, one of

1790
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,120
my major tasks was developing an

1791
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,400
economic development strategic plan.

1792
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:55,880
That was going to take some time. We

1793
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:57,280
knew it was going to take about a year

1794
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,320
to do that. So we worked with the

1795
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,280
economic development committee to create

1796
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,240
an interim economic development

1797
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,880
strategic plan or a work plan that

1798
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:08,000
included the small business grants that

1799
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,120
you're probably more familiar with, but

1800
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:12,120
it also included a couple of other

1801
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,640
items. We explored with you the concept

1802
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,520
of a small business incubator or a

1803
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:19,000
rentable office space in city hall, and

1804
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:20,520
that had its drawbacks and we didn't

1805
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,600
pursue that. One of the other items that

1806
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:24,520
was on that short list that was approved

1807
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:25,520
was

1808
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:26,920
looking at

1809
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:28,720
a permitting system.

1810
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:30,240
And so that's where the context of this

1811
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,840
came in and over the past year we've had

1812
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:34,560
other hot button priorities for economic

1813
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:36,600
development like the grant program, but

1814
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,720
staff continued to poke and look at

1815
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,720
different opportunities to have a more

1816
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:43,400
modern system that can give our staff

1817
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,360
the tools they need to be

1818
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,640
immediately available for customers and

1819
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:49,280
immediately responsive to customers as

1820
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,240
they expect in a digital age. So that

1821
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:54,520
led us to looking at our current

1822
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:55,960
software providers to see if we could

1823
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,160
leverage something that we already have

1824
01:05:58,160 --> 01:05:59,880
to provide services to our customers and

1825
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:04,040
our citizens such as Tyler and Numio and

1826
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,880
HDL. Those are some of our providers

1827
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:07,840
that we've used in the past for

1828
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:09,840
different services and they had a

1829
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:11,640
solution for permitting which we

1830
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:13,560
reviewed and looked at, but they didn't

1831
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:15,960
necessarily meet what we needed. We

1832
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:17,760
looked at other governments nearby to

1833
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:19,520
see what they were using

1834
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:23,000
which included ClearGov and BlueDot, but

1835
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,080
also those didn't really include

1836
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:26,440
everything that we needed. They just had

1837
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,920
components of what we needed. So we

1838
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,240
looked at multiple platforms.

1839
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,360
We went through demonstrations on each

1840
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,800
product. We looked at references and we

1841
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,360
compared costs, and OpenGov was really

1842
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:40,080
the only one that offered pretty much

1843
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:41,680
everything that we were looking for. A

1844
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:44,320
unified permitting and licensing system,

1845
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:46,720
integrated mobile inspections, GIS and

1846
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:50,400
master address integration, an automatic

1847
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,400
state contractor license verification.

1848
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,000
So if something someone's applying for a

1849
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,040
license, they also need to show us their

1850
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:57,640
state license. This does that

1851
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,080
automatically for us. It frees up staff

1852
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:01,840
from having to do that back end office

1853
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:03,680
work so that we can spend more time at

1854
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:05,280
the front counter and spend more more

1855
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,280
with customers.

1856
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,040
It's also native to the Stripe payment

1857
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:11,440
processing.

1858
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:12,040
Um

1859
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:13,160
and [clears throat] so as we started

1860
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:14,800
going through and evaluating our

1861
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:18,000
options, we landed on OpenGov. We began

1862
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,680
discussions with them and they were able

1863
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,040
to provide us a significantly discounted

1864
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,560
price given the size of the community

1865
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:28,800
and um providing a longer-term contract.

1866
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:30,440
Um we are uh fortunate we have a

1867
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,480
representative from OpenGov uh with us

1868
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:33,600
tonight in the audience. I'm going to

1869
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,240
invite Arty up and he's going to walk

1870
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:38,120
through how the software works so that

1871
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:39,960
you can see in um

1872
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:41,800
on the screen. I'll I'll uh pull it up

1873
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:43,920
on the screen and give Arty the clicker

1874
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:45,600
um so that he can go ahead and click

1875
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:46,880
through the presentation for you and

1876
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:48,240
you'll be able to see it up there.

1877
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:50,480
>> Um excuse me, was it Ar- Arty?

1878
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:51,320
>> Arty, yeah.

1879
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:53,360
>> Arty, okay, like Marty with a without

1880
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:53,840
the M.

1881
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:55,800
>> Yeah, it's a it's a nickname for Arthur.

1882
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:57,680
>> Okay, got you.

1883
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:59,000
>> Council members, thank you for having me

1884
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:00,800
here today and um I appreciate your

1885
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:02,760
time. Uh like I said, my name's Arty

1886
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,040
Hazelton and I'm the OpenGov

1887
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:06,920
representative. Um and I'm here to

1888
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,280
answer any questions related to OpenGov

1889
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,360
uh and you know, dive into the specifics

1890
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,440
of the actual software. Um so I can be

1891
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,560
your technical resource as well. Um

1892
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:17,880
let's see.

1893
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:19,640
So to give you just an overview of

1894
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:23,279
OpenGov, um we are a software company

1895
01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:25,279
that's purpose-built for local

1896
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:27,759
government. So we only work with cities,

1897
01:08:27,759 --> 01:08:31,000
towns, villages, counties, boroughs,

1898
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:32,279
what have you.

1899
01:08:32,279 --> 01:08:32,960
Um

1900
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:34,319
but we have a lot of experience working

1901
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:35,120
with

1902
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:38,040
really small agencies um like Escalon.

1903
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,680
And so across the country and across our

1904
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,640
entire product portfolio, we do partner

1905
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,880
with over 2,000 governments. Um

1906
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:47,799
specifically the permitting and

1907
01:08:47,799 --> 01:08:49,120
licensing product that we're discussing

1908
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,359
today, uh there are over 700 partners

1909
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:52,920
across the country.

1910
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:54,520
Uh in the state of California, there's

1911
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:56,920
over 60 and then if we even zoom in

1912
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,040
closer, um City of Ripon and City of

1913
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,200
Oakdale are also both uh OpenGov

1914
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,400
permitting and licensing customers.

1915
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,520
So we have a lot of experience across

1916
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:08,480
the country as well as within the area

1917
01:09:08,480 --> 01:09:11,749
as well.

1918
01:09:11,759 --> 01:09:19,720
So I'm going to summarize instead of

1919
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:20,839
going through every single one of these

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bullet points, but the benefits to

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working with OpenGov is twofold. So on

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one side we have quite a bit of

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efficiencies for staff and time saving

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for staff. And one thing that I want to

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mention is for an agency like Escalon

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that's moving off of no system at all or

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a paper based system.

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As a part of the implementation we're

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actually going to be

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creating a standardized workflow or

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process for

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you know, handling permits. And so with

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that, once you do have a standardized

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process, there's a lot of automated

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features within the system

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that will actually save quite a bit of

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time for staff. For example,

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coordinating multi-departmental review.

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This is all done automatically in the

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system.

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Scheduling inspections is automatic.

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Calculating fees and charging fees is

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automated as well. And there's a number

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01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:14,880
of other features within the system that

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we'll go through

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in this presentation. But a lot of time

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savings for staff

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and creating efficiencies there. On the

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other side and from a customer service

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01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:26,560
perspective there's actually a lot of

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benefit for constituents or

1952
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:30,920
you know, the applicants that are going

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to be using the actual online permit

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01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,440
portal. For one it provides a

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centralized location for everything

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permit and license related. And I

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actually have a slide following this

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that will show you what that sort of

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looks like.

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But on top of that it provides a lot of

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transparency. So you know, staff will

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01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:50,720
not have to field as many calls or

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emails about hey, where is this permit

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or what's the status on this permit?

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They're actually able to go onto the

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portal

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and look at it by themselves.

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And then another item that's actually

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not on this list is the fact that both

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the Ripon and Oakdale are using this

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01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:08,280
permitting system. So for contractors

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that are doing business across all three

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cities, they're going to have a

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consistent experience

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and they'll actually have one unified

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login for all different cities.

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So

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this here is actually a look at the

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public-facing portal

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and as you can see it's a one-stop shop.

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So that means it's a place where

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applicants can apply for permits or

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licenses, pay for fees, track the status

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01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:39,520
of the permit, communicate with staff

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members,

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search up historical permit data

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for any specific address

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and it's also designed for both

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frequent flyers as well as first-time

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permit applicants.

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As you can see here, there's a search

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bar front and center. So for someone who

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doesn't know the permit process that

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well, they can look up something like,

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"Hey,

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um

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what permits do I need for building an

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01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,240
ADU in my backyard?" And the system will

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01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:08,640
actually show you, "Hey, XYZ permits"

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01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:10,440
and will let you apply for it just right

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there.

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And so that's the public portal, but you

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know, within the staff side, there's

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01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:21,280
obviously faster reviews because a lot

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01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:22,840
of the process is now automated within

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the system.

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It's a place for both staff and

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applicants to actually communicate and

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01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:30,040
collaborate on different projects that

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they're working on.

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And then one item as well as the city's

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01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:34,680
going to have full control of the

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system.

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And when you look at other vendors

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01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:38,720
within this space, this is actually a

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01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,000
big differentiator with OpenGov

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because if, you know, for example with

2018
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:45,920
another system, if you wanted to

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01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,320
change the application fields or change

2020
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,280
the workflow steps or update the fee

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01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:51,440
schedule,

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01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:52,840
Um will actually require going to the

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01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,200
vendor having IT do that for you. But

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01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,200
with OpenGov, city staff are very easily

2025
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:02,150
able to make those changes on their own.

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01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:03,280
Just to show you more of the actual

2027
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:04,800
system. This is also on the

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01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,160
public-facing side. Um and this is what

2029
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:09,000
it looks like once someone submits an

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01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:11,080
application. But as you can see on the

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01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:12,560
left-hand side here, there's actually a

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01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,600
status tracker that shows in real time

2033
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,240
where the permit's at. So, um if an

2034
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:19,800
applicant wants to, you know, instead of

2035
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:21,360
calling into the city, they can actually

2036
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:23,160
just go online and check and see where

2037
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:26,270
it's at.

2038
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:28,400
This is um an internal feature, but

2039
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,040
there's a built-in fee calculator. So,

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01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:32,960
city staff are able to and as a part of

2041
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:36,080
the implementation, um set up uh a fee

2042
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:38,960
schedule with different rules. And just

2043
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,160
using this, you know, applicants are

2044
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:43,280
able to apply for permits and know

2045
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:46,160
exactly what they're paying for. Um

2046
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:47,200
and it saves quite a bit of time for

2047
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:50,560
both staff and applicants.

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01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,840
This is also another internal look, um

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01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:54,880
but when it comes to

2050
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:56,480
multi-departmental review where you have

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01:13:56,480 --> 01:13:58,640
different departments working on uh the

2052
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,600
review process for a permit, they're

2053
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,040
able to see in real time what department

2054
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,480
we're waiting on. Um so, we can see here

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01:14:05,480 --> 01:14:07,840
building has already approved their

2056
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:09,240
portion, but we're waiting on public

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01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:11,280
works. And even within the system,

2058
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,560
you're able to message other departments

2059
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:16,040
and say, "Hey, John Doe and and public

2060
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:17,960
works, can you please take a look at

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01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:19,440
this when you get a chance?" Um so, it's

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01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:21,680
a centralized location for

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01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:23,120
everything that you have to do for the

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01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,600
actual permit.

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01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:28,160
And then finally, um another benefit is

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01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:30,040
the reporting

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01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:31,760
uh and the dashboards that you're able

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01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,760
to create on your own. [clears throat]

2069
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:35,760
Um we actually find with other agencies

2070
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:39,040
that they will give uh council members a

2071
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:40,680
login to OpenGov, so they can actually

2072
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:43,040
see dashboards and check, "Hey, you

2073
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:44,680
know, what's the permit revenue this

2074
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:46,640
year? Or how many building permits have

2075
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:48,800
we issued so far?

2076
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:50,160
But these are just some of the benefits

2077
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,000
to to OpenGov and

2078
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:52,600
uh

2079
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:53,680
that's the end of my presentation. If

2080
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:55,000
you guys have any questions, please let

2081
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:56,360
me know.

2082
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:58,560
>> Thank you, Ardy. I have a few more

2083
01:14:58,560 --> 01:14:59,800
unless you have questions directly for

2084
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:01,280
Ardy. I'm just going to go over the cost

2085
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:02,040
for you.

2086
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:02,680
>> Go for it.

2087
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:04,880
>> Okay. So, thank you, Ardy. I appreciate

2088
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:08,200
it. Um wanted to touch on uh the cost.

2089
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:11,080
So, now that you see what the software

2090
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,520
is, um how it functions, you have a much

2091
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,480
better understanding in your mind's eye

2092
01:15:15,480 --> 01:15:18,120
of how staff would be using it. Um staff

2093
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:20,440
has worked with Ardy and his team on

2094
01:15:20,440 --> 01:15:23,080
coming up with a cost structure that

2095
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:26,160
might work really well for the city. Um

2096
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:28,600
it's a 7-year contract and the first

2097
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,200
year is comprised of primarily setting

2098
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:33,280
up the software. Now, typically this

2099
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,200
would be a cost above and beyond the

2100
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:37,720
contract cost for the subscription, but

2101
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:41,160
OpenGov has essentially discounted the

2102
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:44,880
price of the software by 70% and um is

2103
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,840
also providing a lot of their staff time

2104
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:49,480
to get the software up and running for

2105
01:15:49,480 --> 01:15:51,760
the implementation component. Um so,

2106
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:53,680
this will save us considerably and will

2107
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:55,720
allow us to hit the ground running and

2108
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:57,560
get their help to implement it and

2109
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:00,040
provide um immediate uh service to the

2110
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,160
public and immediate asset to the

2111
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:06,360
public. Um and so, the OpenGov platform,

2112
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,280
it's intuitive for both customers and

2113
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:09,840
staff. It's widely used by other

2114
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:13,000
agencies um and its pricing is fully

2115
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,080
pre-competed through the Sourcewell

2116
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:17,240
cooperative purchasing program. That's

2117
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,080
something that I also um want to make

2118
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:21,280
sure that's clear and transparent on. In

2119
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:23,640
any purchase that we do in city hall, we

2120
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:25,880
make sure that it's competitively bid.

2121
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:29,400
There are opportunities where um these

2122
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:31,800
there have they have there are already

2123
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:33,400
um competitive bids that are out there

2124
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:35,480
and they're already results. So, we're

2125
01:16:35,480 --> 01:16:38,040
in a sense piggybacking on Sourcewell's

2126
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:40,760
competitively bid process to get the

2127
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:43,920
discounted rate or the prebid rate. On

2128
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,880
top of that, we're getting the 70%

2129
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:47,520
discount for the first year and then the

2130
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:50,840
40% annual discount there

2131
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,600
moving forward every year on top of the

2132
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,600
prebid price. So, we're getting a

2133
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,040
considerable deal on this software

2134
01:16:58,040 --> 01:16:59,280
program.

2135
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:02,160
It is a software as service agreement

2136
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:04,520
and so we use it year by year and so

2137
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:06,760
that's how the the contract is set up.

2138
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:08,120
Now, to support the cost of the

2139
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:10,440
software, we wanted to try and be

2140
01:17:10,440 --> 01:17:12,440
creative in not putting all of the

2141
01:17:12,440 --> 01:17:14,080
burden on general fund and competing

2142
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:15,600
with other departments

2143
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,160
other services

2144
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:19,080
within the city for this. So, we looked

2145
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:23,160
at a way to slowly escalate our building

2146
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:25,360
and development permit fees so that we

2147
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:27,400
can slowly absorb the cost of this

2148
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:29,040
system and be able to provide better

2149
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:31,280
services to our community. And so,

2150
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:32,680
that's what you see in the chart in the

2151
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:35,160
fiscal impact is you see the explanation

2152
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:37,240
of the costs and then you see the slow

2153
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,480
ramp up year by year

2154
01:17:39,480 --> 01:17:41,040
where we projected what it would look

2155
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,920
like if we did a 3% to our building fees

2156
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:45,760
and we took our

2157
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,560
last year's fees to be able to calculate

2158
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:52,000
those those results.

2159
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:53,520
Yes, and I can put that on the screen.

2160
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:55,840
So, that that concludes my discussion of

2161
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:57,240
the fiscal impacts. Happy to answer

2162
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,040
questions. Are you still here? Happy to

2163
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:00,480
answer questions as well and I'll put it

2164
01:18:00,480 --> 01:18:04,604
up on the screen for the public.

2165
01:18:04,614 --> 01:18:06,160
» [clears throat]

2166
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:08,000
>> Any questions up here?

2167
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:09,520
>> Mr. Mayor, I have a couple.

2168
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:09,800
>> Yeah.

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01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:10,720
>> At least one.

2170
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:11,200
>> Before

2171
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:12,040
>> So,

2172
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:13,840
I I did want to say thanks for

2173
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:15,960
explaining the ROI cuz that was my my

2174
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:17,360
biggest concern, right? How do we get

2175
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:18,560
our money back? I think you did a good

2176
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,960
job of explaining

2177
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:23,120
how we're able to cover those costs over

2178
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:25,720
the full term. So, I guess that leaves

2179
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:27,880
my my question to be for

2180
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:29,160
>> Yeah, for Arty or for

2181
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:30,240
>> Uh this is

2182
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,040
>> Yeah, for Trevin, yeah.

2183
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:33,440
>> Or it could potentially be for Arty as

2184
01:18:33,440 --> 01:18:34,600
well, but

2185
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:35,560
uh

2186
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,720
while I I I definitely appreciate uh a

2187
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:40,720
system in place for licensing and

2188
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:42,600
permitting. Uh you know, I brought that

2189
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:44,320
to council, you know, several years ago,

2190
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:45,320
and you guys have done a great job with

2191
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:46,960
that to see to So, to see that we're

2192
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:50,040
furthering that is encouraging to me.

2193
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:51,280
But,

2194
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:52,480
uh you know,

2195
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:54,560
while the majority of us are, you know,

2196
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:58,160
transitioning to digital formats, there is still a percentage of people

2197
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:00,800
who aren't. So, will applicants still be

2198
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:02,680
able to come in and process over the

2199
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,560
counter if they're not tech-friendly?

2200
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:07,160
>> Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that wouldn't

2201
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:09,440
change at all. The goal is to be able to

2202
01:19:09,440 --> 01:19:11,480
provide more face time with the public

2203
01:19:11,480 --> 01:19:13,360
and have staff more available instead of

2204
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,480
working on back office tasks of routing

2205
01:19:15,480 --> 01:19:17,200
paperwork.

2206
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:18,640
>> No, I I I think it looks great. Thank

2207
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:20,520
you.

2208
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:23,040
>> Any other questions up here?

2209
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:24,640
Just a brief one.

2210
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:26,640
Um

2211
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:30,320
So, uh confirming I when I talked to the

2212
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:32,800
city manager about this item, he noted

2213
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,280
that um

2214
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:37,720
we're not locked into a full 7-year

2215
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,800
contract, and we can evaluate

2216
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:41,920
um

2217
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:44,040
after year one if we're truly get

2218
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:46,440
getting a return on our our investment

2219
01:19:46,440 --> 01:19:47,920
moving forward.

2220
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:51,240
Uh I guess my question is to you,

2221
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:55,920
how can we confirm that yes, we are

2222
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:58,400
freeing up staff time? How are we uh

2223
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,400
without losing that

2224
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:02,120
um

2225
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:04,600
customer-centric focus? Uh as the city

2226
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,600
manager alluded to, we took the

2227
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,840
businesses business licensing down from

2228
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,840
3 to 7 days to 1 day.

2229
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:15,080
I want to make sure that we're remain

2230
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:17,040
still maintaining those customer service

2231
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:18,120
levels

2232
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:18,760
um

2233
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:21,600
moving forward. So,

2234
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:23,880
how how can we track that to make sure

2235
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:25,600
that we're not losing that

2236
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:28,360
customer-centric feel by going to an

2237
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:31,000
online service?

2238
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:32,400
>> I guess

2239
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:33,400
We will [clears throat] still track it

2240
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:35,920
the same way. So, right now we track our

2241
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,440
the timeline for closing out new

2242
01:20:38,440 --> 01:20:39,920
business license applications and

2243
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,000
processing them. And so, we'd still have

2244
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,880
that as staff to be able to track that.

2245
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:46,560
wouldn't change.

2246
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:47,080
>> Yeah.

2247
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:49,120
>> And I'll just, you know, what I think

2248
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:51,560
your question is and and Trevin has

2249
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:53,280
mentioned this.

2250
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:56,800
There's a lot of back-end

2251
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:59,520
work to be done processing licenses and

2252
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,920
permits. It is no contact with the

2253
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:04,440
customer.

2254
01:21:04,440 --> 01:21:06,800
And what we believe this program will do

2255
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:09,400
is free up that time, so we have more

2256
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,520
time available with the customers.

2257
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:14,120
So, you know,

2258
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:16,960
business licenses every year annual

2259
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:19,320
updates very manual process for us. It

2260
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:22,480
takes two staff members like, you know,

2261
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:25,200
the better part of a month to to do some

2262
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:28,880
of that. So, with a program, we can do

2263
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:30,720
more of that in a streamlined fashion,

2264
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:32,640
freeing up that time to be able to

2265
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:35,320
provide more customer service.

2266
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:38,160
Um and to your question a little bit, um

2267
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:40,840
managing a permit or license online

2268
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:42,760
doesn't preclude us from still helping

2269
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:44,320
that customer

2270
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,960
uh at the counter and taking in a

2271
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:49,520
physical copy of the permit and then we

2272
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:51,760
just process it through the online

2273
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:53,560
portal therefore

2274
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:54,840
therefrom.

2275
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,200
Um but, as was mentioned by both Trevin

2276
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,560
and Arty, it gives the customer who

2277
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:01,320
happens to think of something at 10:00

2278
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:03,720
at night or on a Saturday the ability to

2279
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:05,960
look up the status of their permit or

2280
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:08,360
their license without having to wait

2281
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:10,920
until Monday or without having to wait

2282
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:12,520
until, you know, the staff member

2283
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:14,600
returns from an illness or a vacation or

2284
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:16,600
something. So, it gives them more

2285
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:19,000
visibility, more awareness in a digital

2286
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:20,400
platform

2287
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:21,280
um

2288
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:22,960
through this program. But, if they're

2289
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,000
not digitally savvy, they can obviously

2290
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:27,000
they call the city and and we'll be able

2291
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:30,390
to help them with that as well.

2292
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:31,120
» So, [clears throat]

2293
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:32,480
you're saying that it's not going to

2294
01:22:32,480 --> 01:22:34,600
decrease the physical face-to-face

2295
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:37,040
handshake conversations

2296
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:39,680
with the businesses?

2297
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:41,000
Like, are you going to actively go to

2298
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,520
these businesses and be constantly,

2299
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,640
you know, there? Cuz I think there's a

2300
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:48,160
lot lot that gets lost in translation

2301
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:49,960
through digital stuff.

2302
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:51,200
You know what I'm saying?

2303
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:53,280
>> Yeah, honestly, it'll decrease it for

2304
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:55,440
those who don't want the face-to-face

2305
01:22:55,440 --> 01:22:57,720
interaction and it'll increase it for

2306
01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:59,960
those who do. We'll just we'll free up

2307
01:22:59,960 --> 01:23:01,800
more staff time to be able to interact

2308
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:03,920
with those who do want, but those who do

2309
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:05,920
this all the time and and kind of know

2310
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:07,640
the process and want to check it online,

2311
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:09,040
they're able to do that whenever they

2312
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:09,760
want.

2313
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,520
>> Can I Can I also add to that? So, staff

2314
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:14,120
always recommends that we do a

2315
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:15,360
pre-development meeting or

2316
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:17,360
pre-application meeting and that

2317
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:19,320
recommendation wouldn't change. That

2318
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:20,920
would still be advertised. That would

2319
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:23,280
still be our preference. We want the

2320
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:25,080
public and we want the applicant to have

2321
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:26,880
clarity on what the steps are and we

2322
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:29,240
want to be aligned with them on what

2323
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:30,800
their desires and goals are for their

2324
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:32,960
project and how we can how we can help

2325
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:34,480
you. So, [clears throat] we would still

2326
01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:36,280
pursue that and that wouldn't that's not

2327
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:38,600
done through the software. That's done

2328
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:40,240
through a meeting with staff.

2329
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:42,440
>> So, I have a couple basic questions

2330
01:23:42,440 --> 01:23:44,360
besides that I was going to ask.

2331
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:46,720
Um, what's done with the metadata? Are

2332
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:49,040
you guys selling it off? You

2333
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:51,240
Do it Does it go to,

2334
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:53,880
you know, our own little server? Like,

2335
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:55,720
how does that work?

2336
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:58,320
Uh, and then the other would be what

2337
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:00,360
else is on there like as far as arena

2338
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:02,280
numbers, all that stuff? Is that on that

2339
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:03,760
website?

2340
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:04,560
>> Um,

2341
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:06,360
to answer the first question, no, we

2342
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:07,880
don't sell your data. It's it's all

2343
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:09,800
hosted on the cloud, but you own all of

2344
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:10,880
your data.

2345
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:11,880
Um, and then could you repeat the second

2346
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:12,920
question?

2347
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:14,040
>> I I can answer that.

2348
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:14,520
>> Got it.

2349
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:15,920
>> So, the second question for the public

2350
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,240
was arena numbers. I don't see this

2351
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:20,680
software uh tracking the arena numbers.

2352
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:22,880
That's still something that will be done

2353
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,840
by staff through um the housing element

2354
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:27,520
implementation. We'll do by hand.

2355
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:29,400
>> So no one out in LA can't isn't

2356
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:31,400
cherry-picking.

2357
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:33,440
I I just want to make sure I'm clear

2358
01:24:33,440 --> 01:24:34,560
with

2359
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:37,360
the potential technology as far as how

2360
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:38,920
it could be abused or not.

2361
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:40,600
>> Correct. Yeah, this won't report the

2362
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:42,800
data or provide the data to some

2363
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:44,400
stranger online.

2364
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:47,080
So yes, correct.

2365
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:48,000
>> Yeah.

2366
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:51,070
Um

2367
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:55,070
All right.

2368
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:57,840
that's what I have. Um

2369
01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:59,160
Anyone else up here have questions at

2370
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:01,120
all?

2371
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:01,960
No?

2372
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:03,800
All right. Um we'll take it out to the

2373
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:05,160
public.

2374
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:10,790
>> Thank you, Sandy.

2375
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:13,400
» Okay. Um the presentation was beautiful.

2376
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:16,040
The the benefits, I understand. I'm

2377
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:17,680
coming at it from a completely different

2378
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:19,200
angle. Um

2379
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:21,280
I'm coming at it from somebody who lives

2380
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:26,240
within a budget, and so my question is

2381
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:28,960
probably ignorant. If I buy TurboTax,

2382
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,640
for example, I pay one fee. It doesn't

2383
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:33,920
matter if I do just mine or if I do 100

2384
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:37,120
of my neighbors, the fee's the same.

2385
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:38,680
And the more

2386
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:41,800
TurboTax sells their software, the more

2387
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,440
money they make. So my question is, if

2388
01:25:44,440 --> 01:25:47,470
it's software,

2389
01:25:47,480 --> 01:25:49,520
the price to me,

2390
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:52,240
from where I sit,

2391
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:55,680
goes from 39 to 58,000

2392
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:57,120
for software.

2393
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:58,560
So

2394
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:00,240
I'm

2395
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:02,000
you know, when software is developed and

2396
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:03,880
it's there pretty much after software,

2397
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:05,400
and I understand you're going to have,

2398
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:06,920
you know, help and and you're going to

2399
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:08,880
have people that you can call and and

2400
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:10,560
help you with this, but that's a big

2401
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:12,440
jump. I mean, if it's the same software,

2402
01:26:12,440 --> 01:26:14,080
why does the price go up? It's

2403
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,760
typically, you know, once something is

2404
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:19,960
developed, the more customers you get, your money with more customers,

2405
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:22,520
not you've got a product that now you

2406
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:24,880
guys like and it's it's, you know,

2407
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:26,360
supply and demand, I get it, you know,

2408
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:28,640
and it's and it's and it's what do I

2409
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,640
want to call it? Profit. But

2410
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:34,040
it's a little it's a little much, it's a

2411
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:36,000
whole salary. So, to me, I'm looking at

2412
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,160
that and going, "Okay, it's software and

2413
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:41,280
once you put it in place and you it's going, it's going to run itself."

2414
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,360
And so, why does the cost keep going up

2415
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:46,400
and why is it so god gum expensive? And

2416
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:47,720
I appreciate that I can still call

2417
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:49,520
because I am not a techy person and I

2418
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:51,520
don't want to do it online. Okay.

2419
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:53,640
Thanks.

2420
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:54,320
>> Okay.

2421
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:55,240
Do we have anybody to answer that

2422
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:55,560
question?

2423
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:57,200
>> Yeah, can can somebody Yeah.

2424
01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:59,480
>> Yeah.

2425
01:26:59,480 --> 01:27:01,000
>> I think I could do a half-baked job of

2426
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:02,280
it, but I'm sure that a professional

2427
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:03,440
could do a better job.

2428
01:27:03,440 --> 01:27:05,880
>> Yeah. So, so yes, the the pricing does

2429
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:08,880
increase um 5% year over year. Um and

2430
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:11,080
the reason for that is

2431
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:14,040
we provide uh the product enhancements

2432
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:16,960
to all of our customers at no cost. So,

2433
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:17,960
I think what you'll see with a lot of

2434
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:19,800
other vendors is they'll have, you know,

2435
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,040
OpenGov 1.0 and then if you want the

2436
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:23,480
newest version, you got to pay for the

2437
01:27:23,480 --> 01:27:25,880
upgrade for OpenGov 2.0. With OpenGov,

2438
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:28,840
you're getting the best um system at all

2439
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:31,000
times. It's it's constantly improving

2440
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:33,480
and and we do put a lot of um funding

2441
01:27:33,480 --> 01:27:35,560
into our product development. Um and I

2442
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:37,080
think I don't know, I think that the

2443
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:38,800
permitting and licensing product that we

2444
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:40,120
offer is actually the one that's

2445
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:43,000
developed the most. Um so, that's the

2446
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,320
reason why there's a a pricing increase.

2447
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:46,920
>> I would have gone with cloud server

2448
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:48,840
storage and, you know, all the

2449
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:50,520
electricity and expense that it takes to

2450
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:52,080
run all of that increasing over time and

2451
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:54,160
all that fun stuff as well. Just to add

2452
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:55,480
to that, Sherry.

2453
01:27:55,480 --> 01:27:56,640
>> Very true.

2454
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:59,280
>> Okay. Uh any other questions out there?

2455
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:00,680
>> I just want to make a comment for

2456
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:02,520
Sherry. On page 389 of the agenda,

2457
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:04,000
Sherry, kind of down at the bottom,

2458
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:05,480
you'll be able to see what the estimated

2459
01:28:05,480 --> 01:28:07,320
labor savings is. So, it kind of

2460
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:10,800
justifies that and and then it talks um

2461
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:12,640
you know, the the annual operation cost.

2462
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:14,680
so what that actually saves. And then

2463
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:16,680
for like a staff member, just just to

2464
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:18,600
throw it out there, if we were to

2465
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:21,000
account for a staff members

2466
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,960
um total compensation package, we would

2467
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:26,200
significantly surpass the numbers that

2468
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:30,270
are that are put out there.

2469
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:33,160
Um any other questions out there?

2470
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:36,430
Online?

2471
01:28:36,440 --> 01:28:37,680
Okay, we'll bring it back to the dais.

2472
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:38,661
Thank you, Arty.

2473
01:28:38,661 --> 01:28:39,280
>> [snorts]

2474
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:40,440
>> Um

2475
01:28:40,440 --> 01:28:41,880
I I definitely see where there's

2476
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:44,920
increasing efficiency, for sure.

2477
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:46,120
Um

2478
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:47,800
are we

2479
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:49,800
got it getting some

2480
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:51,640
uh reason of thinking we're going to

2481
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:53,480
have like a significant influx of

2482
01:28:53,480 --> 01:28:55,040
permitting

2483
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:56,840
that's that's uh going to be a game

2484
01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:59,600
changer that would justify needing this,

2485
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,360
or is it just more

2486
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:05,510
for a back-end efficiency?

2487
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:07,400
» I think, you know, this first started

2488
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:10,240
with economic development and

2489
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:13,080
potentially more or new businesses

2490
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:14,400
coming in

2491
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,640
and being able to have a streamlined,

2492
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:20,840
smooth, professional process

2493
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:23,360
um to help us in the attraction and

2494
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:25,760
processing of of new businesses.

2495
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:28,480
Otherwise, um you know, we don't expect

2496
01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:31,240
an influx. I think we are reacting to

2497
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:33,600
from 3 years ago until today some of the

2498
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:35,200
comments we've heard from council

2499
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:36,880
pre-strategic plan and and

2500
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:38,640
post-strategic plan.

2501
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:39,920
Um

2502
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:41,760
you know, I I would say this is not

2503
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:44,280
cutting-edge technology, right? This is

2504
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:46,040
uh sort of a baseline for for many

2505
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:48,520
cities to move from the kind of paper

2506
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:51,440
manual process into um

2507
01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:53,600
a program like this. So, no, we don't

2508
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:57,280
expect an influx, but we do want to help

2509
01:29:57,280 --> 01:29:59,520
um future businesses if we get things

2510
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:01,560
going like we want to, Liberty Business

2511
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:04,240
Park in the opportunity zone on on the

2512
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:05,640
west side of town, those types of

2513
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:06,200
things.

2514
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:06,920
>> Okay.

2515
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:09,840
>> Appreciate the insight. Um

2516
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:14,200
At the dais, any thoughts or

2517
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:16,080
>> So, um

2518
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:18,160
just a very quick thought. And And the

2519
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:19,960
quick thought is

2520
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:22,040
uh I'm not against the the 7-year

2521
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:23,640
agreement. The only thing that I would

2522
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:27,920
request from staff is um

2523
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:30,240
maybe a brief annual update just to

2524
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:32,520
ensure that we're still meeting

2525
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:35,640
um customer service expectations and

2526
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:37,800
making sure that we're getting the

2527
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:40,960
return on investment. And if it's not

2528
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:44,422
working, uh please be transparent

2529
01:30:44,422 --> 01:30:44,520
>> [snorts]

2530
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:47,120
>> uh with the council and just say it's

2531
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:49,480
not working. We need to

2532
01:30:49,480 --> 01:30:53,240
uh cut stop this deal or or

2533
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:55,640
stop this agree moving forward. Just to

2534
01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:58,840
make sure that we're doing right with

2535
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:02,030
taxpayer dollars.

2536
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:03,280
» Um any other thought

2537
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:03,760
>> Sure.

2538
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:05,080
>> Sorry. Any other thoughts?

2539
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:08,200
>> Uh state really quick. Um very beautiful

2540
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:09,960
presentation. I can see that this can be

2541
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:13,040
useful in a lot of bigger jurisdictions

2542
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:14,640
that have a lot more permitting. I wish

2543
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:17,000
we had that. Uh we were expecting to

2544
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:19,320
have a huge influx coming in.

2545
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:22,000
Um I'm personally on a mission to more

2546
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:23,520
humanize

2547
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:26,000
uh than automate right now. And I'm just

2548
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:28,480
kind of going in that direction. So, uh

2549
01:31:28,480 --> 01:31:30,160
that's where I'm coming from right now.

2550
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:32,000
I'd rather to have humans and

2551
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:33,520
personalization

2552
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:38,160
um more than automation and digital uh

2553
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:40,640
things. I'd much rather on the analog

2554
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:42,920
run right now. So, that's where I'm at.

2555
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:46,030
And those are my thoughts.

2556
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:48,640
» Uh any other thoughts?

2557
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:50,600
Councilman Negrete, you good?

2558
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:52,360
>> I'm good. Thank you.

2559
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:54,960
>> Uh Councilman Kay and Stroman?

2560
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:55,818
>> I'm good.

2561
01:31:55,818 --> 01:31:55,880
>> [snorts]

2562
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:59,920
>> Okay. Do we have any Do uh

2563
01:31:59,920 --> 01:32:00,760
>> Are Are a motion on this?

2564
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:04,920
>> Motions? yeah. Oh, we need to, I think.

2565
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:06,440
Or do we Yeah.

2566
01:32:06,440 --> 01:32:08,320
>> Uh did we open up to the public?

2567
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:10,200
>> Yeah, public hearing section. Yeah.

2568
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:11,720
>> Yeah, that's right.

2569
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:13,503
>> Mr. Mayor, I'll make a motion to

2570
01:32:13,503 --> 01:32:14,880
[clears throat]

2571
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:16,520
um

2572
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:21,720
approve a 7-year agreement with OpenGov.

2573
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:24,680
Inc. via Virtual Soft with the

2574
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:27,080
implementation and subscription of a

2575
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:28,680
digital permitting

2576
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:31,920
and licensing platform uh with an annual

2577
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:36,520
check-in with the council to ensure that

2578
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:38,840
customer service expectations are being

2579
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:41,480
met from the public.

2580
01:32:41,480 --> 01:32:43,680
And authorize the city manager to

2581
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:47,120
execute all related documents.

2582
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:48,240
>> I'll second.

2583
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:49,400
>> Okay.

2584
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:51,120
You have a second? All in favor, say

2585
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:51,920
aye.

2586
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:52,080
>> Aye.

2587
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:53,640
All opposed, say nay.

2588
01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:54,280
>> Nay.

2589
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:54,769
>> Okay.

2590
01:32:54,769 --> 01:32:59,750
>> [clears throat]

2591
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:05,750
» All right, we'll go on to number nine.

2592
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:08,640
» Thank you, Council. Uh this this item is

2593
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:10,960
with

2594
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:11,760
>> You want to go ahead?

2595
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:12,840
>> Uh city manager is going to go ahead and

2596
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:13,280
start this.

2597
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:15,360
>> Sorry, Travin. I'll just do a

2598
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:18,840
do an intro here. Um

2599
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:20,680
I'll turn it over to Travin, and we do

2600
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:22,940
have uh we have Kim online with Gold

2601
01:33:22,940 --> 01:33:24,720
[clears throat] Back to help answer

2602
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:28,520
questions. So, this item is an evolution

2603
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:30,440
of an agenda item request that was made

2604
01:33:30,440 --> 01:33:32,880
back in October 2025

2605
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:35,400
um by a couple council members, and at

2606
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:38,080
that the council uh wanted and directed

2607
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:40,680
staff to really uh share with the

2608
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:43,160
business community the benefits of

2609
01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:45,840
holding and and having gold um as it had

2610
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:48,440
just recently um been classified a a

2611
01:33:48,440 --> 01:33:50,320
tier one asset.

2612
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:52,680
As we were uh kind of exploring that

2613
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:55,080
further, uh staff, Travin in particular,

2614
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:57,600
came across Gold Back, and so the

2615
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:01,280
conversations have have merged a bit

2616
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:03,840
um in that time. I think uh around the

2617
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:05,400
first of the year um there was

2618
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:06,920
presentations to the Economic

2619
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:08,680
Development Committee from Goldback and

2620
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:11,080
then to the City Council as well.

2621
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:14,160
Um to discuss what is basically a

2622
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:15,960
gold-infused

2623
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:18,400
currency that they are uh it's a private

2624
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:20,760
company, privately held, that they are

2625
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:22,520
um you know, trying to get really up and

2626
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:24,440
running. Several communities across the

2627
01:34:24,440 --> 01:34:25,640
nation

2628
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:28,320
um utilize it, several businesses do, um

2629
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:31,800
but they're they're trying to expand.

2630
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:34,840
And so um that's kind of the genesis of

2631
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:37,800
this item. Um back in March, I believe,

2632
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:40,080
Council directed staff to invite

2633
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:42,440
Goldback out to Parkfee.

2634
01:34:42,440 --> 01:34:45,080
Um Goldback was at Parkfee. They had a

2635
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:48,680
relatively successful um venture there.

2636
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:50,400
They sold tens of thousands of the

2637
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:53,560
actual product, and they signed up um

2638
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:55,760
close to two dozen and a little over two

2639
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:58,680
dozen businesses around the area, not

2640
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:00,720
just in Escalon. I think about seven

2641
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:03,440
businesses um are able to accept

2642
01:35:03,440 --> 01:35:06,400
Goldbacks right now in uh Escalon, but

2643
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:08,040
they were able to sign up about 26

2644
01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:09,800
businesses kind of in the valley, in the

2645
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:11,160
region.

2646
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:14,800
And so after the relative success at at

2647
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:17,480
Parkfee, uh staff started to look into

2648
01:35:17,480 --> 01:35:20,200
becoming a distributor. Um so not one

2649
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:22,120
that would accept for payment of utility

2650
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:24,440
bills or something like that, but really

2651
01:35:24,440 --> 01:35:27,560
kind of a centralized hub um for the

2652
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:30,000
businesses if it really did take off.

2653
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:31,480
And so with that, I'll I'll turn it over

2654
01:35:31,480 --> 01:35:33,760
to Trevin and and Kim to go through the

2655
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:35,280
rest of the presentation and answer any

2656
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:37,120
questions that the council may have.

2657
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:39,080
>> Yeah, that was a a great uh review of

2658
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:41,920
the background. Um Jaylen also covered

2659
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,440
um how the distributorship would work.

2660
01:35:44,440 --> 01:35:46,680
Um so uh before you tonight is the

2661
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:48,840
distributorship agreement. It has

2662
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:51,120
minimal um purchasing terms.

2663
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:53,160
Essentially, we'd be

2664
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:54,240
um

2665
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:56,600
uh in a nine non-binding contract

2666
01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:57,960
essentially that we would have the

2667
01:35:57,960 --> 01:36:00,960
opportunity to purchase wholesale the

2668
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:02,440
gold back

2669
01:36:02,440 --> 01:36:03,280
um

2670
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:05,520
uh tradeable notes from the company

2671
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:08,160
themselves, and then we would be um

2672
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:11,480
allowed to sell them here at City Hall.

2673
01:36:11,480 --> 01:36:13,960
Um we There would be a a margin that we

2674
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:16,200
would get to collect that can offset our

2675
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:17,960
staff costs for being available to the

2676
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:20,320
public to distribute those. Um and then

2677
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:22,720
we would be in order to stay in the in

2678
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:24,960
the contract and in the partnership, we

2679
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:26,800
would be required to purchase a minimum

2680
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:30,920
of 25,000 a year or 2,500 a month. Um

2681
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:33,840
and so we don't see at this point going

2682
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:36,960
beyond that. We don't know exactly was

2683
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:38,960
Park City just a special event that

2684
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:41,360
everyone felt excited to participate in

2685
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:44,000
this or is this a constant demand that's

2686
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:46,640
out there? So, we would uh walk before

2687
01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:48,880
we run, and we would probably just do

2688
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:51,240
about 2,500 a month, and it would just

2689
01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:52,880
be another thing that we have available

2690
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:54,880
for the community to help encourage

2691
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:58,240
shopping local and supporting local and

2692
01:36:58,240 --> 01:36:58,880
um

2693
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:01,160
creating that small tight-knit community

2694
01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:04,040
where we can uh trade in analog notes

2695
01:37:04,040 --> 01:37:07,040
instead of um credit card payments. Um

2696
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:08,960
so that's that's the purpose and that's

2697
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:10,640
the agreement that's that's before you

2698
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:12,600
for a decision, and then uh Kim is

2699
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:14,280
online if she has anything to add or if

2700
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:15,320
you have any questions.

2701
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:17,680
>> And And I'll just add. So, um

2702
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:18,760
you know, we asked the question

2703
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:20,120
directly,

2704
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:23,040
you know, if it's uh there's not as many

2705
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:24,960
businesses that are looking to do this,

2706
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:28,600
what's the requirement? Um they Goldback

2707
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:33,920
basically said it's an encouragement to hit the minimum thresholds, but if it

2708
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:36,360
wasn't working for us, there's no um

2709
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:39,640
specific requirement um to do that. So,

2710
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:41,640
we can evaluate that over time, but they

2711
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:44,280
certainly encourage us to to have the

2712
01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:47,200
resources available that's necessary if

2713
01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:49,640
we are going to become a distributor.

2714
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:51,560
And just to hit home a little bit on on

2715
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:54,080
the distributor, um

2716
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:55,880
again, Trevin mentioned this, but we

2717
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:57,960
would buy the Goldbacks at wholesale,

2718
01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:00,600
sell it, um you know, at at the market

2719
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:02,880
rate, um which is a little bit of an

2720
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:04,840
increase, and we'd be a hub for the

2721
01:38:04,840 --> 01:38:07,520
businesses and other community members

2722
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:10,880
who want to trade, sell, buy, um

2723
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:14,240
Goldbacks. You could also have an ATM of

2724
01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:16,920
Goldbacks if the uh council was

2725
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:18,840
interested in that as well. So again,

2726
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:20,840
you're kind of a a hub for the business

2727
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:24,040
and resident community who um buy, use,

2728
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:26,080
trade, and sell these um

2729
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:28,840
this currency.

2730
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:30,133
>> Um

2731
01:38:30,133 --> 01:38:30,160
>> [clears throat]

2732
01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:31,360
>> You still got it, Kim.

2733
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:33,400
>> Okay, Kim.

2734
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:34,760
you have anything to add to that

2735
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:36,360
before we

2736
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:36,760
talk it over?

2737
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:40,080
>> I I don't. We have Nathan Hallows is on

2738
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:42,600
the line as well that can speak to the

2739
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:47,000
details of the distributor agreement, so

2740
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:50,360
>> Okay. Does he want to go ahead and

2741
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:50,960
let us know then?

2742
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:52,600
>> I think we're here just to answer any

2743
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:55,280
questions you might still have, so

2744
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:56,280
>> Okay.

2745
01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:59,120
Um any questions up here?

2746
01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:00,160
>> Yeah, just a brief one.

2747
01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:00,960
>> Before I go out to the lobby.

2748
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:03,440
>> Okay. I'll go first, I think. Please do.

2749
01:39:03,440 --> 01:39:05,520
Go for it, Mr. Rowman.

2750
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:09,000
>> So, I guess my only question is

2751
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:11,480
while I I appreciate Goldback coming to

2752
01:39:11,480 --> 01:39:14,040
Park City, um

2753
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:15,880
if the if we move forward with the

2754
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:17,560
distributorship,

2755
01:39:17,560 --> 01:39:19,840
uh this is both for for the Goldback

2756
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:22,160
folks and for Trevin,

2757
01:39:22,160 --> 01:39:24,920
how are we going to

2758
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:27,080
bring greater awareness to the Goldback

2759
01:39:27,080 --> 01:39:29,920
system for businesses that didn't attend

2760
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:32,720
Park City or for community members that

2761
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:33,880
didn't

2762
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:36,040
that don't know about Park City

2763
01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:38,200
or didn't don't know about Goldback. I

2764
01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:40,600
mean, is there going to be an education

2765
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:43,480
process? Are we going to introduce this

2766
01:39:43,480 --> 01:39:45,560
to how are we going to roll this out to

2767
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:47,800
the public?

2768
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:49,080
>> Yeah, we we don't have

2769
01:39:49,080 --> 01:39:49,600
>> I

2770
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:50,360
>> Sorry, go ahead.

2771
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:53,240
>> I think I think one great thing is, you

2772
01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:54,760
know, we have a lot of great literature.

2773
01:39:54,760 --> 01:39:56,200
So, if someone does come in and ask

2774
01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:59,400
questions about gold backs, we have the

2775
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:01,360
literature that you could hand out, go

2776
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:02,360
over.

2777
01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:04,640
Uh we have Phil on the line

2778
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:07,800
uh who, you know, runs this program.

2779
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:10,560
He and his team are great resources to

2780
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:13,200
educate, uh be willing to come and do

2781
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:15,360
more educational uh opportunities that

2782
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:17,280
you if you have them out there.

2783
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:20,760
So, we're here to help as much as we can

2784
01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:24,360
and and uh facilitate any educational uh

2785
01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:26,920
processes that we need to as well.

2786
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:28,840
>> Yeah, I would second what Nathan just

2787
01:40:28,840 --> 01:40:30,280
said. Um

2788
01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:32,040
I would be totally willing to come out

2789
01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:34,560
for a town hall type of meeting and

2790
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:36,280
educate people.

2791
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:38,080
I'm heading to one tomorrow, in fact, in

2792
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:41,160
a similar sized town of 10,000 people.

2793
01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:44,240
Uh we'll all meet with people and and

2794
01:40:44,240 --> 01:40:46,680
do some continued education on gold

2795
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:48,440
backs. And this is a town that's been

2796
01:40:48,440 --> 01:40:50,120
using gold backs for years, but they

2797
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:52,000
still have people that want to know a

2798
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:53,680
little more, so they invite me out at

2799
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:55,840
least once a year and I go out and

2800
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:57,760
update them and give them a little more

2801
01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:00,040
education, go around the town and visit

2802
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:02,880
businesses and see how it's going. Uh

2803
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:04,920
really be a community partner with you,

2804
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:07,480
not just come in and try to sell you on

2805
01:41:07,480 --> 01:41:10,000
something. We really see this as a way

2806
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:11,560
of keeping

2807
01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:14,440
uh money or economics local in your own

2808
01:41:14,440 --> 01:41:17,200
economy, make your own

2809
01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:19,160
you know, local economy and we want to

2810
01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:21,040
be a partner with you in that.

2811
01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:23,400
>> Okay. Uh Councilman Ingle, did you have

2812
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:24,800
something earlier or no?

2813
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:28,720
>> Uh I I do. So, a couple things. Um so, I

2814
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:30,680
spoke spoke on this at the last meeting

2815
01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:32,360
and and I believe

2816
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:34,800
at the time I believed in it as uh an

2817
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:36,600
investment vehicle and and I've

2818
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:39,080
purchased several of these uh several

2819
01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:41,440
years ago and have seen my return

2820
01:41:41,440 --> 01:41:43,240
double.

2821
01:41:43,240 --> 01:41:45,920
However, as I look at the exchange rate

2822
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:49,400
today with one Goldback being $8.85 and

2823
01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:54,080
spot price of gold being at $4,408,

2824
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:57,320
it's double the price of spot.

2825
01:41:57,320 --> 01:42:00,680
A- And so, with Goldback,

2826
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:03,040
I don't really see it as as a currency.

2827
01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:05,240
I see it as a business that that

2828
01:42:05,240 --> 01:42:07,520
potentially is fleecing their customers.

2829
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:09,440
Uh when we're looking at the amount of

2830
01:42:09,440 --> 01:42:12,120
money that you put in for the amount

2831
01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:14,320
that you get back with an an expectation

2832
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:18,240
or an anticipation anticipation of the

2833
01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:20,400
uh price of gold increasing,

2834
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:22,800
it's a total gamble. And the amount that

2835
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:24,360
we're charging and the fact that we're

2836
01:42:24,360 --> 01:42:26,200
even considering being a wholesaler

2837
01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:28,480
means we're we're potentially

2838
01:42:28,480 --> 01:42:30,040
accepting being part of that business

2839
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:32,600
model, which is charge double what a

2840
01:42:32,600 --> 01:42:35,160
product is worth, keep a percentage, and

2841
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:37,680
then pass that disservice on to our

2842
01:42:37,680 --> 01:42:39,320
citizens or customers.

2843
01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:40,960
Uh that's just my my thought and my

2844
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:45,240
belief. Like, if I think if if uh

2845
01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:47,040
fractional gold is something that you're

2846
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:49,080
interested in and purchasing as an

2847
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:50,360
investment,

2848
01:42:50,360 --> 01:42:52,160
maybe that's for you because it has a a

2849
01:42:52,160 --> 01:42:54,000
low floor. You're really able to get in

2850
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:56,960
there for $8. I think I saw quarter uh

2851
01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:58,640
bills that were also offered, so those

2852
01:42:58,640 --> 01:43:00,680
are probably three or four dollars would

2853
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:02,160
be just my guess.

2854
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:03,480
Uh you know, if if that's something that

2855
01:43:03,480 --> 01:43:05,160
you're looking into and potentially

2856
01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:07,120
trying to stack gold, that may be a

2857
01:43:07,120 --> 01:43:09,400
vehicle for you, but as far as

2858
01:43:09,400 --> 01:43:12,480
uh actual assets are concerned, if you

2859
01:43:12,480 --> 01:43:14,160
were to buy

2860
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:16,560
a you know, an ounce of gold right now,

2861
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:19,120
it would cost you $4,408

2862
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:22,120
plus the spot fee from whichever uh

2863
01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:25,600
institution you decide to purchase it from. If you bought an ounce

2864
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:27,280
worth of gold from Goldback at this

2865
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:31,470
exchange rate, it would be $8,850.

2866
01:43:31,480 --> 01:43:32,240
» Ouch.

2867
01:43:32,240 --> 01:43:34,880
>> I I I've got something to say to that.

2868
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:36,400
Uh

2869
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:38,120
Take that take that

2870
01:43:38,120 --> 01:43:39,840
1 oz that you just bought and as a

2871
01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:42,880
merchant, you wanted to accept that.

2872
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:44,320
How do you know that that's even a real

2873
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:46,040
piece of gold?

2874
01:43:46,040 --> 01:43:48,640
And can you really break it down? And

2875
01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:50,920
most merchants won't have a $16,000

2876
01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:53,120
machine that can fractionalize that to

2877
01:43:53,120 --> 01:43:55,880
actually say it is a gold or not.

2878
01:43:55,880 --> 01:44:02,000
Another piece of that is most if you're truly looking to buy gold

2879
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:04,280
that's a bullion buyer, gold backs

2880
01:44:04,280 --> 01:44:07,000
aren't for you and and we'll admit that.

2881
01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:10,720
Gold backs are bought to be to be spent

2882
01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:12,920
to be used

2883
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:15,160
to fractionalize. No one fractionalizes

2884
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:18,120
gold the way that we do and the cost of

2885
01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:20,600
fractionalize that is very expensive. So

2886
01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:22,280
there is a cost

2887
01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:25,360
to to making a fractional piece of gold.

2888
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:28,760
So you know there there's a couple things there that if if you are

2889
01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:31,440
looking to do bullion, like go buy you

2890
01:44:31,440 --> 01:44:34,240
know gold coins or bars and hope for the

2891
01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:35,960
price it goes up and then you can sell

2892
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:37,600
it but a typical

2893
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:39,800
gold back buyer

2894
01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:42,200
is not a bullion buyer and from our

2895
01:44:42,200 --> 01:44:44,920
research, you know, we don't sell retail

2896
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:46,880
so we [clears throat] don't have a lot

2897
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:50,160
of end result data but the data that I

2898
01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:53,120
do have is you know, you know, we sold

2899
01:44:53,120 --> 01:44:56,000
probably 300 million of these and less

2900
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:58,760
than 1% is ever returned.

2901
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:00,880
Excuse me, less than 2% is ever

2902
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:02,000
returned.

2903
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:08,440
For exchange or to you know, to try to buy back or sell back. So

2904
01:45:08,440 --> 01:45:09,040
>> I applaud

2905
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:10,840
>> And one other thing to keep in mind too

2906
01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:15,040
is yes it it is at double spot.

2907
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:17,840
price is

2908
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:20,160
maintained in your purchasing power. You

2909
01:45:20,160 --> 01:45:22,960
don't lose that spot price

2910
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:24,960
on on your purchase. So if you bought it

2911
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:27,320
for $8.85

2912
01:45:27,320 --> 01:45:30,040
Um could spend it for $8.85. You're not

2913
01:45:30,040 --> 01:45:31,880
losing. And yes, there's always a gamble

2914
01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:33,320
with precious metals. They could go up

2915
01:45:33,320 --> 01:45:34,400
or down.

2916
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:37,320
But if you uh

2917
01:45:37,320 --> 01:45:39,000
look over the past 2 years, those who

2918
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:40,240
have bought gold and silver have much

2919
01:45:40,240 --> 01:45:42,520
more purchasing power at that double

2920
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:45,840
spot price than they do less

2921
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:48,240
>> Um I I do understand what you're saying,

2922
01:45:48,240 --> 01:45:50,560
uh Councilman Ingle. The one thing I'm

2923
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:53,480
looking at from a more of a 50,000-ft

2924
01:45:53,480 --> 01:45:54,600
level

2925
01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:57,240
is the potential for creating a parallel

2926
01:45:57,240 --> 01:45:59,560
economy in a time where

2927
01:45:59,560 --> 01:46:01,240
there's a potential [clears throat] for

2928
01:46:01,240 --> 01:46:04,040
the dollar to really tank. And

2929
01:46:04,040 --> 01:46:04,600
uh

2930
01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:07,240
it if you look at how gold and silver's

2931
01:46:07,240 --> 01:46:09,480
been used in other countries

2932
01:46:09,480 --> 01:46:11,600
to facilitate

2933
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:15,280
uh trade and um

2934
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:17,960
you know, general commerce in a time

2935
01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:20,440
when you start to see hyper-inflatable

2936
01:46:20,440 --> 01:46:24,520
dollars or if you have digital economy

2937
01:46:24,520 --> 01:46:27,160
and for some reason, for example, your

2938
01:46:27,160 --> 01:46:29,320
funds get frozen like the Canadian

2939
01:46:29,320 --> 01:46:30,560
truckers

2940
01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:32,480
then you [clears throat] you do have to

2941
01:46:32,480 --> 01:46:37,720
look at least that potential angle as to

2942
01:46:37,720 --> 01:46:40,000
um the freedom of purchase, the ability

2943
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:41,640
to still

2944
01:46:41,640 --> 01:46:44,400
exist in an economy when

2945
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:47,400
things go towards uh putting a chip in

2946
01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:48,520
your hand.

2947
01:46:48,520 --> 01:46:51,200
So, that's kind of where I'm looking at

2948
01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:52,440
it from.

2949
01:46:52,440 --> 01:46:56,960
>> Mr. Murray, I I know I appreciate your thought of alternative currency and

2950
01:46:56,960 --> 01:46:59,720
I I think that's a great idea. Um you

2951
01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:00,920
know, if we just I don't know if we

2952
01:47:00,920 --> 01:47:02,560
could pull it up, but if you look at the

2953
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:04,360
history of the price of gold, right,

2954
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:06,880
you'll see this radical spike over the

2955
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:08,080
last 2 years.

2956
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:10,280
>> Why do you think that's happening?

2957
01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:12,760
>> Well, I mean

2958
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:14,360
without like getting super political,

2959
01:47:14,360 --> 01:47:16,600
market manipulation. That's

2960
01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:19,800
my simple answer. Um right? Uh

2961
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:22,120
and and this is where my fear would

2962
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:25,520
come, right? Is that large holders or or

2963
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:27,680
folks who were potentially purchasing,

2964
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:29,680
you know, with the hopes that it would

2965
01:47:29,680 --> 01:47:32,600
increase in value to make their large

2966
01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:36,280
purchase more more affordable,

2967
01:47:36,280 --> 01:47:37,680
the same time could get left holding the

2968
01:47:37,680 --> 01:47:38,720
bag.

2969
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:40,920
>> I see what you're saying. I think

2970
01:47:40,920 --> 01:47:42,720
to navigate around that potentially,

2971
01:47:42,720 --> 01:47:44,320
you'd have to make sure that people knew

2972
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:45,240
that,

2973
01:47:45,240 --> 01:47:47,600
you know, it's not

2974
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:50,320
intended to be an investment, it's

2975
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:53,600
intended to potentially stabilize a

2976
01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:57,280
local economy in a time of of need, and

2977
01:47:57,280 --> 01:47:59,600
it's not something people have to do.

2978
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:01,560
>> Well, just just today, Mr. Mayor, you're

2979
01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:03,320
you if you were to to have had, you

2980
01:48:03,320 --> 01:48:06,390
know, let's say

2981
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:08,400
an ounce worth or, you know, you would

2982
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:10,880
have lost $32 today. The market

2983
01:48:10,880 --> 01:48:12,240
fluctuates daily, and I know that their

2984
01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:13,880
system is attached to that. And and so,

2985
01:48:13,880 --> 01:48:17,080
your your dollar's vary from day to day.

2986
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:19,480
>> And and I I get that it's not a perfect

2987
01:48:19,480 --> 01:48:22,160
process, but I also get the fact that

2988
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:24,760
our our dollar's being diluted.

2989
01:48:24,760 --> 01:48:26,880
It's going to continue to. The

2990
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:28,840
government's already decided they're

2991
01:48:28,840 --> 01:48:31,080
going to print and print and print. It's

2992
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:33,520
in their mandate of the Treasury now.

2993
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:35,120
And so,

2994
01:48:35,120 --> 01:48:37,160
at what point do we hit a hyperinflation

2995
01:48:37,160 --> 01:48:39,760
event, and now

2996
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:41,920
uh our citizens are coming up with a

2997
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:44,480
wheelbarrow of cash to buy something

2998
01:48:44,480 --> 01:48:45,400
when they

2999
01:48:45,400 --> 01:48:47,600
could have had this other option that

3000
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:50,200
stabilizes their family. So, I guess

3001
01:48:50,200 --> 01:48:53,040
that's where I'm at. I mean, I could be

3002
01:48:53,040 --> 01:48:55,480
completely crazy, off the rocker, but I

3003
01:48:55,480 --> 01:48:58,240
do think that it's something that having

3004
01:48:58,240 --> 01:49:00,440
it available in some way in our

3005
01:49:00,440 --> 01:49:02,080
community, and it doesn't have to be

3006
01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:04,800
through our city, it could be through,

3007
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:06,680
you know, another um

3008
01:49:06,680 --> 01:49:07,760
community [clears throat] member putting

3009
01:49:07,760 --> 01:49:11,160
in the machine or ATM machine, but it is

3010
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:13,240
something that,

3011
01:49:13,240 --> 01:49:15,520
you know, when you look at the general

3012
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:18,240
direction of the currency, the amount of

3013
01:49:18,240 --> 01:49:20,240
printing that's going to continue to

3014
01:49:20,240 --> 01:49:21,320
happen.

3015
01:49:21,320 --> 01:49:22,680
Um

3016
01:49:22,680 --> 01:49:25,880
I'm very concerned for the community and

3017
01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:28,000
making sure that it stays stable.

3018
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:29,400
So, that's kind of where I'm coming

3019
01:49:29,400 --> 01:49:30,040
from.

3020
01:49:30,040 --> 01:49:31,560
>> Mayor, may I ask a question?

3021
01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:32,360
>> Yeah.

3022
01:49:32,360 --> 01:49:35,400
>> Um so, for online, Kim or Phil or

3023
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:37,640
Nathan, whoever wants to answer this.

3024
01:49:37,640 --> 01:49:38,320
Um

3025
01:49:38,320 --> 01:49:40,680
I was looking at the distributors uh

3026
01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:43,080
online and what distributors there are

3027
01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:45,360
and I didn't see, at least in our area

3028
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:47,760
and going too far out of California, but

3029
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:50,760
any city entities that were

3030
01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:52,840
distributors. Are there other city

3031
01:49:52,840 --> 01:49:54,760
governments that are are distributing

3032
01:49:54,760 --> 01:49:59,230
Goldbacks right now?

3033
01:49:59,240 --> 01:50:02,120
» This would be a first.

3034
01:50:02,120 --> 01:50:03,280
>> Okay.

3035
01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:06,640
Uh okay, and then so, we I I did see

3036
01:50:06,640 --> 01:50:08,600
that our closest one is in Riverbank.

3037
01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:11,360
It's an ATM. I meant to go try and find

3038
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:14,960
it. I haven't quite uh found it yet. Is

3039
01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:18,320
there any uh private businesses in

3040
01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:21,280
Escalon or even closer to from the the

3041
01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:24,400
closest one to us that have had interest

3042
01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:30,590
in becoming distributors uh in town?

3043
01:50:30,600 --> 01:50:32,840
» I think that's a Phil question.

3044
01:50:32,840 --> 01:50:33,640
>> Okay.

3045
01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:33,880
>> Phil?

3046
01:50:33,880 --> 01:50:35,400
>> No, that's a By the way, there are other

3047
01:50:35,400 --> 01:50:36,760
municipalities

3048
01:50:36,760 --> 01:50:38,120
>> question. So,

3049
01:50:38,120 --> 01:50:39,880
>> That would be a Nathan or Brandon. I

3050
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:41,920
don't know if Brandon's on here.

3051
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:44,440
Um I can get you that information. I

3052
01:50:44,440 --> 01:50:46,720
don't have it readily at hand, um but I

3053
01:50:46,720 --> 01:50:48,320
can get that sent to Trevin and let you

3054
01:50:48,320 --> 01:50:49,360
know

3055
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:51,720
who is near you.

3056
01:50:51,720 --> 01:50:53,880
>> I do know that when we had our last

3057
01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:55,360
meeting and and we were talking with

3058
01:50:55,360 --> 01:50:59,080
just Trevin, um there wasn't

3059
01:50:59,080 --> 01:51:02,080
anything a major distributor anywhere

3060
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:03,920
too close to where you are.

3061
01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:05,960
>> Well, Riverbank is close. I mean, that's

3062
01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:07,920
a [clears throat] 12-minute, 15-minute

3063
01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:09,760
drive. It wouldn't be too bad to go get

3064
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:10,520
those.

3065
01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:12,600
>> You're You're saying that there's a uh

3066
01:51:12,600 --> 01:51:16,360
gold ATM in Riverbank, is that right?

3067
01:51:16,360 --> 01:51:18,400
>> That's what the website's telling us

3068
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:19,200
here, yeah.

3069
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:19,600
>> Okay.

3070
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:22,000
>> So we were just I'm my question is if

3071
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:25,240
any businesses in town have expressed

3072
01:51:25,240 --> 01:51:31,190
interest in becoming distributors here.

3073
01:51:31,200 --> 01:51:32,200
» Not to my knowledge.

3074
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:33,680
>> Okay.

3075
01:51:33,680 --> 01:51:35,800
Thank you.

3076
01:51:35,800 --> 01:51:38,200
>> Regardless of the how gold sign on the

3077
01:51:38,200 --> 01:51:39,360
vote

3078
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:42,040
hopefully it'd be nice if you guys would

3079
01:51:42,040 --> 01:51:43,120
be

3080
01:51:43,120 --> 01:51:44,680
you know, still committed to coming and

3081
01:51:44,680 --> 01:51:46,800
talking to our local businesses about

3082
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:48,000
the idea.

3083
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:49,840
And

3084
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:52,480
whether it goes left or right, it's up

3085
01:51:52,480 --> 01:51:54,680
to them, but at least I deliver an

3086
01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:55,840
option

3087
01:51:55,840 --> 01:51:57,720
for the future. So if it doesn't go the

3088
01:51:57,720 --> 01:52:00,440
way we want it to, then at least it's

3089
01:52:00,440 --> 01:52:04,910
off my conscience.

3090
01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:06,080
So

3091
01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:08,560
we want to put it out to the community.

3092
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:10,920
Anyone out in the community like to talk

3093
01:52:10,920 --> 01:52:14,122
to this?

3094
01:52:14,132 --> 01:52:17,310
» [clears throat]

3095
01:52:17,320 --> 01:52:18,560
» I think

3096
01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:20,800
Councilman Engel had it on the nose.

3097
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:22,720
It's speculation.

3098
01:52:22,720 --> 01:52:25,280
And individually, I speculate on certain

3099
01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:28,120
things. Everybody you know, has a chance

3100
01:52:28,120 --> 01:52:31,080
to do that. But if you decide to do

3101
01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:33,240
this, you're speculating with the entire

3102
01:52:33,240 --> 01:52:34,760
community's

3103
01:52:34,760 --> 01:52:37,080
money and not just

3104
01:52:37,080 --> 01:52:38,560
a few. Some people are going to be

3105
01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:40,760
totally against it. My biggest thought

3106
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:42,040
is

3107
01:52:42,040 --> 01:52:45,000
like Councilman Engel pointed out

3108
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:46,400
when but

3109
01:52:46,400 --> 01:52:48,120
maybe a year ago

3110
01:52:48,120 --> 01:52:50,240
5,500

3111
01:52:50,240 --> 01:52:52,120
for a ounce of gold

3112
01:52:52,120 --> 01:52:54,200
that was 44.

3113
01:52:54,200 --> 01:52:55,840
You know, it might go back up, it might

3114
01:52:55,840 --> 01:52:57,720
go back down. But if you look at the

3115
01:52:57,720 --> 01:52:59,880
history of gold

3116
01:52:59,880 --> 01:53:01,440
it's one of these.

3117
01:53:01,440 --> 01:53:02,880
And it's basically has followed the

3118
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:05,040
dollar, too. And I agree that the dollar

3119
01:53:05,040 --> 01:53:08,560
is in sad shape. But,

3120
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:10,560
there's there's too much speculation, I

3121
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:13,320
think, to take on for a city government

3122
01:53:13,320 --> 01:53:15,680
and taxpayer money.

3123
01:53:15,680 --> 01:53:21,310
>> Appreciate that.

3124
01:53:21,320 --> 01:53:23,560
Anyone else? Oh, never mind. Anyone else

3125
01:53:23,560 --> 01:53:26,880
like to speak to this topic at all?

3126
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:29,720
right. Bring it back to the dais.

3127
01:53:29,720 --> 01:53:32,400
>> I have a question, actually, for

3128
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:35,960
city attorney, but he left. So,

3129
01:53:35,960 --> 01:53:38,520
I'll ask the the city manager.

3130
01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:41,190
Um

3131
01:53:41,200 --> 01:53:43,960
Have we confirmed that there are no

3132
01:53:43,960 --> 01:53:45,600
um

3133
01:53:45,600 --> 01:53:47,720
legal

3134
01:53:47,720 --> 01:53:49,560
issues

3135
01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:51,480
if the city of Escondido were to become

3136
01:53:51,480 --> 01:53:54,000
a distributor distributor for

3137
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:55,720
essentially what is

3138
01:53:55,720 --> 01:53:58,160
a private business?

3139
01:53:58,160 --> 01:54:00,120
>> Yeah, I think there would be more luck

3140
01:54:00,120 --> 01:54:02,840
if if the the council decided to yes,

3141
01:54:02,840 --> 01:54:06,200
explore this, um we would go through the

3142
01:54:06,200 --> 01:54:08,960
contracting greater detail. We would do

3143
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:11,960
our end of the research. We have not

3144
01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:14,040
done that research up front. If the

3145
01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:15,400
council didn't want to explore it, we

3146
01:54:15,400 --> 01:54:17,920
don't want to waste time and money on

3147
01:54:17,920 --> 01:54:19,280
um something that the council wasn't

3148
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:21,200
interested in. So, yes, we would dot our

3149
01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:24,240
eyes and cross our t's um prior to final

3150
01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:26,080
execution.

3151
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:27,240
>> Maybe the [clears throat] better answer

3152
01:54:27,240 --> 01:54:30,120
is just not to do it through the

3153
01:54:30,120 --> 01:54:31,360
government.

3154
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:32,280
>> Yeah, Mr.

3155
01:54:32,280 --> 01:54:34,160
>> That was going to be my suggestion. But,

3156
01:54:34,160 --> 01:54:36,920
you know, if maybe the EDC could, you

3157
01:54:36,920 --> 01:54:39,160
know, set a small portion aside to

3158
01:54:39,160 --> 01:54:40,760
explore businesses that may be

3159
01:54:40,760 --> 01:54:44,080
interested. It seems more like an an an

3160
01:54:44,080 --> 01:54:46,400
independent decision, um rather than a

3161
01:54:46,400 --> 01:54:48,440
city-based decision, which, you know,

3162
01:54:48,440 --> 01:54:50,000
potentially could put us in harm's way.

3163
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:52,760
But, Mr. Mayor, again, I do appreciate

3164
01:54:52,760 --> 01:54:56,080
uh your attention to uh

3165
01:54:56,080 --> 01:54:57,560
what's happening financially in the

3166
01:54:57,560 --> 01:55:00,240
United States. And and as I I know that

3167
01:55:00,240 --> 01:55:01,440
you already do, but just to say it

3168
01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:03,000
publicly, you know, I would encourage

3169
01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:04,680
some exploration in the digital currency

3170
01:55:04,680 --> 01:55:08,040
as well. It's not a commitment, but

3171
01:55:08,040 --> 01:55:09,640
exploration.

3172
01:55:09,640 --> 01:55:11,960
>> Yeah, I I I don't have a problem with

3173
01:55:11,960 --> 01:55:14,040
digital, just so you're aware.

3174
01:55:14,040 --> 01:55:15,720
Um

3175
01:55:15,720 --> 01:55:17,200
because

3176
01:55:17,200 --> 01:55:18,720
it does make things more convenient at

3177
01:55:18,720 --> 01:55:21,880
times. However,

3178
01:55:21,880 --> 01:55:23,840
yeah, we saw it with the Canadian

3179
01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:25,480
truckers how

3180
01:55:25,480 --> 01:55:28,400
you can get shut down digitally,

3181
01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:31,360
right? So, it's not a leap to think that

3182
01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:34,840
our government is going sideways, in my

3183
01:55:34,840 --> 01:55:36,080
opinion,

3184
01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:38,960
uh could very easily do things

3185
01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:41,120
that aren't in our best interest,

3186
01:55:41,120 --> 01:55:45,240
and down the road we're um eating out of trash can cuz you

3187
01:55:45,240 --> 01:55:47,320
can't get your money.

3188
01:55:47,320 --> 01:55:48,840
You know, so so those are the kind of

3189
01:55:48,840 --> 01:55:53,080
things I don't know. I'll

3190
01:55:53,080 --> 01:55:55,720
keep it to myself at this point, but I

3191
01:55:55,720 --> 01:55:58,240
do think that it's something that every

3192
01:55:58,240 --> 01:56:00,040
person should really be opening their

3193
01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:01,680
eyes and kind of

3194
01:56:01,680 --> 01:56:03,680
doing their due diligence. It's It's

3195
01:56:03,680 --> 01:56:04,800
important.

3196
01:56:04,800 --> 01:56:06,520
>> All right, he's back. Can I ask my

3197
01:56:06,520 --> 01:56:07,480
question again?

3198
01:56:07,480 --> 01:56:09,320
>> Yep.

3199
01:56:09,320 --> 01:56:11,000
>> I'm sorry.

3200
01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:11,600
>> Thanks, Frank.

3201
01:56:11,600 --> 01:56:13,840
>> I had no idea.

3202
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:16,400
So, so my question is

3203
01:56:16,400 --> 01:56:18,680
um to

3204
01:56:18,680 --> 01:56:19,560
what

3205
01:56:19,560 --> 01:56:22,280
Council Member Angle mentioned,

3206
01:56:22,280 --> 01:56:26,440
is there any sort of legal concern for

3207
01:56:26,440 --> 01:56:29,200
essentially what the city becoming a

3208
01:56:29,200 --> 01:56:31,800
distributor for a

3209
01:56:31,800 --> 01:56:34,720
private business, and could there any be

3210
01:56:34,720 --> 01:56:37,360
could there be the potential for any

3211
01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:40,160
sort of long-term

3212
01:56:40,160 --> 01:56:44,960
exposure or risk to the city if so if

3213
01:56:44,960 --> 01:56:46,840
say somebody comes and invests in gold

3214
01:56:46,840 --> 01:56:48,240
backs,

3215
01:56:48,240 --> 01:56:49,760
could they come back to the city of

3216
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:51,120
Escalon and say, "Well, you're the

3217
01:56:51,120 --> 01:56:53,440
distributor. I bought it for you, and I

3218
01:56:53,440 --> 01:56:57,960
didn't get the return on investment that looking for, so therefore

3219
01:56:57,960 --> 01:56:59,400
you should be

3220
01:56:59,400 --> 01:57:01,600
held partially responsible for that as

3221
01:57:01,600 --> 01:57:02,280
well.

3222
01:57:02,280 --> 01:57:03,640
>> It could if you look at it as an

3223
01:57:03,640 --> 01:57:04,301
investment.

3224
01:57:04,301 --> 01:57:05,680
>> [laughter]

3225
01:57:05,680 --> 01:57:05,920
>> Right?

3226
01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:07,000
>> Yeah, I mean I would just say this is

3227
01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:09,280
America, so you can sue anybody over

3228
01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:11,080
anything at any time.

3229
01:57:11,080 --> 01:57:12,840
Um

3230
01:57:12,840 --> 01:57:14,720
if you are if the city's going to if the

3231
01:57:14,720 --> 01:57:16,280
city's going to act as a private actor

3232
01:57:16,280 --> 01:57:18,720
in the pri- private marketplace, it's

3233
01:57:18,720 --> 01:57:20,960
going to expose itself to all the suites

3234
01:57:20,960 --> 01:57:23,520
of claims, damages, lawsuits than any

3235
01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:25,880
business would. So, you are adding risk.

3236
01:57:25,880 --> 01:57:28,120
And what I would say is this,

3237
01:57:28,120 --> 01:57:31,640
um that kind of risk is not insurable.

3238
01:57:31,640 --> 01:57:34,640
We have uh we have um

3239
01:57:34,640 --> 01:57:35,760
general we don't have we don't have

3240
01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:37,040
insurance. Cities don't have insurance,

3241
01:57:37,040 --> 01:57:38,360
but they have something like insurance,

3242
01:57:38,360 --> 01:57:39,640
okay? For our purposes, I'm going to

3243
01:57:39,640 --> 01:57:41,200
call it insurance.

3244
01:57:41,200 --> 01:57:45,160
Um and it covers your slip-and-fall

3245
01:57:45,160 --> 01:57:47,960
uh general liability type risk that

3246
01:57:47,960 --> 01:57:49,800
cities normally operate in. If we are

3247
01:57:49,800 --> 01:57:52,280
now operating in the private sector,

3248
01:57:52,280 --> 01:57:53,640
we would

3249
01:57:53,640 --> 01:57:55,520
our our joint powers authority wouldn't

3250
01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:56,800
cover that risk.

3251
01:57:56,800 --> 01:57:58,640
>> I I guess what I would ask if the guy

3252
01:57:58,640 --> 01:58:02,200
asked is just a table this, and then um

3253
01:58:02,200 --> 01:58:04,760
if I could get the contact information

3254
01:58:04,760 --> 01:58:06,840
of the people up there, uh maybe I'll

3255
01:58:06,840 --> 01:58:09,160
pursue it through my own uh endeavors

3256
01:58:09,160 --> 01:58:11,000
outside of the city.

3257
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:13,600
Uh that would probably be better.

3258
01:58:13,600 --> 01:58:16,160
Um is that is it possible to get your

3259
01:58:16,160 --> 01:58:18,360
contact information?

3260
01:58:18,360 --> 01:58:19,680
It doesn't have to be over the phone or

3261
01:58:19,680 --> 01:58:21,080
over the

3262
01:58:21,080 --> 01:58:23,440
>> Yes, we can get it to you.

3263
01:58:23,440 --> 01:58:24,480
>> Okay, I really appreciate it.

3264
01:58:24,480 --> 01:58:26,480
>> And and and and also, man, I want to

3265
01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:27,960
kind of follow up on what you're what

3266
01:58:27,960 --> 01:58:29,800
you were talking about digital currency

3267
01:58:29,800 --> 01:58:30,840
is

3268
01:58:30,840 --> 01:58:32,040
uh

3269
01:58:32,040 --> 01:58:35,800
I was at a conference in Canada about

3270
01:58:35,800 --> 01:58:37,760
two about a 18 months ago. It was after

3271
01:58:37,760 --> 01:58:39,800
the North Carolina floods. I don't know

3272
01:58:39,800 --> 01:58:42,120
if you remember that, where everything

3273
01:58:42,120 --> 01:58:45,160
uh just collapsed. No internet, no

3274
01:58:45,160 --> 01:58:46,600
power.

3275
01:58:46,600 --> 01:58:49,080
And I had ran into two guys in Canada

3276
01:58:49,080 --> 01:58:51,880
that were at that helping clean up, and

3277
01:58:51,880 --> 01:58:55,120
they said, "We saw your currency being

3278
01:58:55,120 --> 01:58:57,560
used as it should have." No, they were

3279
01:58:57,560 --> 01:59:00,280
bartering with for milk, for gas, for

3280
01:59:00,280 --> 01:59:03,240
eggs with the gold backs. And that

3281
01:59:03,240 --> 01:59:11,800
that's truly one of the main purposes of of our fractional gold. It you can use it to barter for such things

3282
01:59:11,800 --> 01:59:13,520
in in in

3283
01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:16,080
instances where you're not going to have

3284
01:59:16,080 --> 01:59:17,280
power.

3285
01:59:17,280 --> 01:59:19,960
Cuz it inevitably will happen to us.

3286
01:59:19,960 --> 01:59:21,640
Digital currency will not be able to be

3287
01:59:21,640 --> 01:59:22,920
used.

3288
01:59:22,920 --> 01:59:25,800
This is this and and gold over the test

3289
01:59:25,800 --> 01:59:27,880
of time has held its held held its

3290
01:59:27,880 --> 01:59:28,960
power.

3291
01:59:28,960 --> 01:59:31,160
Um they used this way thousands and

3292
01:59:31,160 --> 01:59:32,960
thousands of years ago for for payment

3293
01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:35,200
and for bartering. So,

3294
01:59:35,200 --> 01:59:37,600
we appreciate you guys looking at gold

3295
01:59:37,600 --> 01:59:39,680
back. We really do. We think it's a

3296
01:59:39,680 --> 01:59:41,800
great uh could be a great part of your

3297
01:59:41,800 --> 01:59:44,440
community uh for whatever choice or

3298
01:59:44,440 --> 01:59:46,200
whichever way you go down in the but we

3299
01:59:46,200 --> 01:59:48,440
do appreciate your time that you helped

3300
01:59:48,440 --> 01:59:50,520
uh uh put into gold back.

3301
01:59:50,520 --> 01:59:53,440
>> Okay. I'll appreciate your time and um

3302
01:59:53,440 --> 01:59:55,200
unless the dais has any other thoughts

3303
01:59:55,200 --> 01:59:55,960
>> I have one more.

3304
01:59:55,960 --> 01:59:56,840
>> Okay, please.

3305
01:59:56,840 --> 01:59:59,080
>> No, I just wanted to state that I am a

3306
01:59:59,080 --> 02:00:01,640
big supporter of parallel currency uh

3307
02:00:01,640 --> 02:00:04,000
separate from the Fed and Fed separate

3308
02:00:04,000 --> 02:00:06,360
from the government. Um I don't

3309
02:00:06,360 --> 02:00:07,880
necessarily feel like this is separate

3310
02:00:07,880 --> 02:00:09,840
from the government having them be a

3311
02:00:09,840 --> 02:00:12,240
distributor as much as I trust our city

3312
02:00:12,240 --> 02:00:13,920
government, but it separate from the

3313
02:00:13,920 --> 02:00:16,440
government would be uh where this would

3314
02:00:16,440 --> 02:00:17,120
be. And I

3315
02:00:17,120 --> 02:00:18,200
>> Makes sense.

3316
02:00:18,200 --> 02:00:20,400
>> I I do support the parallel currency and

3317
02:00:20,400 --> 02:00:22,120
I really like the idea of gold backs in

3318
02:00:22,120 --> 02:00:24,360
general, but probably not uh through the

3319
02:00:24,360 --> 02:00:26,000
city of Escondido.

3320
02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:26,720
>> I'm sorry.

3321
02:00:26,720 --> 02:00:27,200
>> Yeah.

3322
02:00:27,200 --> 02:00:27,920
>> Councilman Nico

3323
02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:29,760
>> Yeah, Mr. If there were truly a

3324
02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:31,360
destabilization event that were to take

3325
02:00:31,360 --> 02:00:33,280
place in our area,

3326
02:00:33,280 --> 02:00:36,000
it's it's the immediate trade and barter

3327
02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:37,280
that this would affect, right? We're

3328
02:00:37,280 --> 02:00:40,080
talking minutes or hours while grocery

3329
02:00:40,080 --> 02:00:42,080
store shelves or

3330
02:00:42,080 --> 02:00:44,560
stock piles reduced. After that, we

3331
02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:46,640
we're talking a supply chain issue. So,

3332
02:00:46,640 --> 02:00:48,520
I think that, you know, while there is,

3333
02:00:48,520 --> 02:00:49,960
you know, a potential use for that in a

3334
02:00:49,960 --> 02:00:51,720
barter situation and and in the

3335
02:00:51,720 --> 02:00:55,760
immediate, um one, you know, uh

3336
02:00:55,760 --> 02:00:58,200
early adopters would be at an advantage.

3337
02:00:58,200 --> 02:00:59,840
The the majority of our community who

3338
02:00:59,840 --> 02:01:01,400
probably wouldn't adopt in that would be

3339
02:01:01,400 --> 02:01:03,040
kind of left out in the cold and it

3340
02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:04,880
would be a have and have not situation,

3341
02:01:04,880 --> 02:01:06,400
which I think

3342
02:01:06,400 --> 02:01:08,080
in a destabilization event, chaos would

3343
02:01:08,080 --> 02:01:11,520
ensue, but the fact that some people are

3344
02:01:11,520 --> 02:01:14,160
uh not not being treated equitably would

3345
02:01:14,160 --> 02:01:16,360
create additional destabilization

3346
02:01:16,360 --> 02:01:18,680
in a small community. Uh it's just my my

3347
02:01:18,680 --> 02:01:20,160
guess. I hope that we never ever see

3348
02:01:20,160 --> 02:01:21,680
this and we're just we're just talking

3349
02:01:21,680 --> 02:01:23,840
in hopes of preparation for a worst case

3350
02:01:23,840 --> 02:01:25,040
scenario.

3351
02:01:25,040 --> 02:01:26,640
But, I

3352
02:01:26,640 --> 02:01:28,800
if we're completely off the grid, the

3353
02:01:28,800 --> 02:01:29,960
stores aren't going to be able to

3354
02:01:29,960 --> 02:01:32,080
reorder, phones aren't going to work,

3355
02:01:32,080 --> 02:01:33,680
internet's not going to work. Like, it's

3356
02:01:33,680 --> 02:01:35,000
what you have on hand.

3357
02:01:35,000 --> 02:01:35,920
>> Uh-huh.

3358
02:01:35,920 --> 02:01:38,440
>> And that's that's if you go and and talk

3359
02:01:38,440 --> 02:01:40,280
to the people that have already

3360
02:01:40,280 --> 02:01:43,200
experienced that from other countries,

3361
02:01:43,200 --> 02:01:46,240
uh gold and silver saved them.

3362
02:01:46,240 --> 02:01:48,800
So, it's just something to be aware of.

3363
02:01:48,800 --> 02:01:50,800
We don't have to talk about it anymore.

3364
02:01:50,800 --> 02:01:52,120
Um

3365
02:01:52,120 --> 02:01:53,760
Can we go ahead and table it?

3366
02:01:53,760 --> 02:01:55,560
If everyone's good with that. Table?

3367
02:01:55,560 --> 02:01:55,960
Okay.

3368
02:01:55,960 --> 02:01:56,720
>> Sure.

3369
02:01:56,720 --> 02:01:59,600
>> All right, we'll go on to number

3370
02:01:59,600 --> 02:02:02,310
10.

3371
02:02:02,320 --> 02:02:03,640
Thank you, Barry.

3372
02:02:03,640 --> 02:02:06,040
>> Uh this is a continuation of an item

3373
02:02:06,040 --> 02:02:08,520
that was discussed at the last meeting

3374
02:02:08,520 --> 02:02:10,920
uh in regard to a specific request to

3375
02:02:10,920 --> 02:02:13,960
attend a conference. At that time, uh

3376
02:02:13,960 --> 02:02:16,680
council directed staff to come back and

3377
02:02:16,680 --> 02:02:19,840
put a broader framework or a policy

3378
02:02:19,840 --> 02:02:23,320
around um council member travel for

3379
02:02:23,320 --> 02:02:25,400
training purposes, for networking

3380
02:02:25,400 --> 02:02:26,920
purposes.

3381
02:02:26,920 --> 02:02:29,920
And so, this item presents that travel

3382
02:02:29,920 --> 02:02:31,280
policy.

3383
02:02:31,280 --> 02:02:33,360
Um

3384
02:02:33,360 --> 02:02:34,920
What we also mentioned at the last

3385
02:02:34,920 --> 02:02:37,040
meeting is if there was desired by the

3386
02:02:37,040 --> 02:02:42,040
council to uh adopt a slate. Um so, some

3387
02:02:42,040 --> 02:02:44,880
indication, some not that um generally

3388
02:02:44,880 --> 02:02:47,600
Council would like to attend X number of

3389
02:02:47,600 --> 02:02:50,520
sessions and X number of council members

3390
02:02:50,520 --> 02:02:53,440
per session so that we are more

3391
02:02:53,440 --> 02:02:56,480
transparent to the community. We are

3392
02:02:56,480 --> 02:02:58,760
helping the budget process so we're

3393
02:02:58,760 --> 02:03:00,200
aware

3394
02:03:00,200 --> 02:03:01,720
and

3395
02:03:01,720 --> 02:03:05,000
you know Council members can plan their

3396
02:03:05,000 --> 02:03:07,520
vacations and meetings and and other

3397
02:03:07,520 --> 02:03:09,480
things around that.

3398
02:03:09,480 --> 02:03:12,440
It just be more transparent I think for

3399
02:03:12,440 --> 02:03:14,280
everyone.

3400
02:03:14,280 --> 02:03:16,760
Um, so what we've also done in the staff

3401
02:03:16,760 --> 02:03:20,000
report is look at I'll say six. We've

3402
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:21,720
included five in the staff report but I

3403
02:03:21,720 --> 02:03:24,440
was reminded of one later.

3404
02:03:24,440 --> 02:03:26,480
So in the staff report there are three

3405
02:03:26,480 --> 02:03:28,920
from Cal Cities which is the primary

3406
02:03:28,920 --> 02:03:31,000
body associated

3407
02:03:31,000 --> 02:03:33,200
with kind of Council member and staff

3408
02:03:33,200 --> 02:03:35,360
training in California.

3409
02:03:35,360 --> 02:03:37,800
It is a lobbying group. Their overall

3410
02:03:37,800 --> 02:03:41,880
stated mission is to really support the

3411
02:03:41,880 --> 02:03:44,840
local communities cities in particular

3412
02:03:44,840 --> 02:03:46,320
you know against the state and and

3413
02:03:46,320 --> 02:03:48,360
federal government.

3414
02:03:48,360 --> 02:03:49,680
Of course

3415
02:03:49,680 --> 02:03:53,240
we're a big state. We have communities

3416
02:03:53,240 --> 02:03:55,920
as small as a couple hundred up to you

3417
02:03:55,920 --> 02:03:57,720
know several million

3418
02:03:57,720 --> 02:04:00,600
and everywhere in between and so

3419
02:04:00,600 --> 02:04:03,360
ideologically we are different as well

3420
02:04:03,360 --> 02:04:05,840
and so so is Cal Cities right as an

3421
02:04:05,840 --> 02:04:08,160
organization for sure.

3422
02:04:08,160 --> 02:04:10,560
But they do provide you know what I

3423
02:04:10,560 --> 02:04:13,480
would call generally

3424
02:04:13,480 --> 02:04:16,640
politically neutral content for Council

3425
02:04:16,640 --> 02:04:19,000
members and

3426
02:04:19,000 --> 02:04:20,360
staff.

3427
02:04:20,360 --> 02:04:25,440
There's also a couple of economic based

3428
02:04:25,440 --> 02:04:27,360
groups that are out there and we've

3429
02:04:27,360 --> 02:04:30,160
highlighted a couple of conferences.

3430
02:04:30,160 --> 02:04:32,680
One's the California Economic Summit by

3431
02:04:32,680 --> 02:04:35,360
Cal Forward and then Cal Ed just

3432
02:04:35,360 --> 02:04:36,880
California Economic Development

3433
02:04:36,880 --> 02:04:39,000
Corporation basically, is the Rural

3434
02:04:39,000 --> 02:04:41,680
Economic Development Exchange.

3435
02:04:41,680 --> 02:04:44,840
The one that I omitted

3436
02:04:44,840 --> 02:04:47,080
was the One Voice trip, which was

3437
02:04:47,080 --> 02:04:49,840
discussed and raised by a Council Member

3438
02:04:49,840 --> 02:04:52,440
Engel and attended most recently by

3439
02:04:52,440 --> 02:04:54,200
Council Member Stroman.

3440
02:04:54,200 --> 02:04:56,800
That is a lobbying effort at the cog

3441
02:04:56,800 --> 02:04:58,400
level, the regional level, the county

3442
02:04:58,400 --> 02:04:59,600
level,

3443
02:04:59,600 --> 02:05:02,160
particularly around transportation

3444
02:05:02,160 --> 02:05:03,880
projects.

3445
02:05:03,880 --> 02:05:06,680
So, this was a a new endeavor for the

3446
02:05:06,680 --> 02:05:09,440
City of Escalon to attend that

3447
02:05:09,440 --> 02:05:11,640
and really put us

3448
02:05:11,640 --> 02:05:14,520
a bit on the map in terms of of that

3449
02:05:14,520 --> 02:05:15,880
effort.

3450
02:05:15,880 --> 02:05:19,480
So, staff in the staff report presented

3451
02:05:19,480 --> 02:05:22,000
kind of five or six options for the

3452
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:24,160
Council to consider. Of course, that

3453
02:05:24,160 --> 02:05:26,040
doesn't have to be 100%. We walked

3454
02:05:26,040 --> 02:05:28,600
through the policy that if there was one

3455
02:05:28,600 --> 02:05:30,560
off that made sense within the framework

3456
02:05:30,560 --> 02:05:32,400
of the policy that was adopted, if it is

3457
02:05:32,400 --> 02:05:37,120
adopted, those could be brought up.

3458
02:05:37,120 --> 02:05:40,440
And so, I can just walk through the

3459
02:05:40,440 --> 02:05:42,880
policy a little bit.

3460
02:05:42,880 --> 02:05:44,520
Maybe if we can go to attachment one,

3461
02:05:44,520 --> 02:05:47,480
scroll down a bit.

3462
02:05:47,480 --> 02:05:50,600
It is three-page, I think, policy. We

3463
02:05:50,600 --> 02:05:52,800
start with a policy purpose purpose and

3464
02:05:52,800 --> 02:05:56,040
statement. A few of

3465
02:05:56,040 --> 02:05:58,560
There's a few blanks left for the

3466
02:05:58,560 --> 02:06:00,096
Council to really weigh in on

3467
02:06:00,096 --> 02:06:02,390
[clears throat]

3468
02:06:02,400 --> 02:06:05,400
their thoughts on training and travel as

3469
02:06:05,400 --> 02:06:08,320
it pertains to Council members.

3470
02:06:08,320 --> 02:06:10,680
And we talk about authorization. We talk

3471
02:06:10,680 --> 02:06:13,280
about, you know, kind of needing Council

3472
02:06:13,280 --> 02:06:14,680
approval,

3473
02:06:14,680 --> 02:06:16,840
but working within the kind of slate, if

3474
02:06:16,840 --> 02:06:20,240
that is adopted. We talk about eligible

3475
02:06:20,240 --> 02:06:21,880
expenses,

3476
02:06:21,880 --> 02:06:24,680
particularly registration and lodging.

3477
02:06:24,680 --> 02:06:27,240
There's a preference for that to be done

3478
02:06:27,240 --> 02:06:29,320
with a city credit card

3479
02:06:29,320 --> 02:06:30,920
just to will

3480
02:06:30,920 --> 02:06:35,760
any potential for over reimbursement,

3481
02:06:35,760 --> 02:06:37,080
questions or concerns with

3482
02:06:37,080 --> 02:06:39,520
reimbursement, um something that that

3483
02:06:39,520 --> 02:06:40,880
went wrong.

3484
02:06:40,880 --> 02:06:43,160
Um in that section, we talk about

3485
02:06:43,160 --> 02:06:45,480
overnight stays and a strong preference

3486
02:06:45,480 --> 02:06:47,320
for not having an overnight stay if it's

3487
02:06:47,320 --> 02:06:50,560
a one-day trip or one-day travel.

3488
02:06:50,560 --> 02:06:52,600
We talk about um the council really

3489
02:06:52,600 --> 02:06:54,800
committing to be good fiscal stewards

3490
02:06:54,800 --> 02:06:57,480
and not um

3491
02:06:57,480 --> 02:07:01,080
staying longer than absolutely needed.

3492
02:07:01,080 --> 02:07:03,560
Uh we talk about transportation and

3493
02:07:03,560 --> 02:07:05,240
essentially the four transportation

3494
02:07:05,240 --> 02:07:07,640
options using the seat city vehicle,

3495
02:07:07,640 --> 02:07:10,320
which is the least costly, airfare,

3496
02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:13,080
rental vehicle, or personal vehicle. Um

3497
02:07:13,080 --> 02:07:15,560
again, we talk about being um making the

3498
02:07:15,560 --> 02:07:20,320
most logical but economical choice in

3499
02:07:20,320 --> 02:07:21,560
um

3500
02:07:21,560 --> 02:07:23,400
in the transportation.

3501
02:07:23,400 --> 02:07:25,000
Um it doesn't say you have to go with

3502
02:07:25,000 --> 02:07:26,320
the lowest choice cuz there will be

3503
02:07:26,320 --> 02:07:29,440
extenuating circumstances occasionally.

3504
02:07:29,440 --> 02:07:30,080
Um

3505
02:07:30,080 --> 02:07:32,040
And so, we we talk about just being good

3506
02:07:32,040 --> 02:07:35,000
fiscal stewards. We talk about meals,

3507
02:07:35,000 --> 02:07:36,960
um really trying to use the conference

3508
02:07:36,960 --> 02:07:40,720
meals if there are to minimize um the

3509
02:07:40,720 --> 02:07:42,960
outlay by the city. We talk about the

3510
02:07:42,960 --> 02:07:45,760
proximate uh process for reimbursement.

3511
02:07:45,760 --> 02:07:49,120
Talk about prohibited expenses.

3512
02:07:49,120 --> 02:07:51,240
And then we talk about report back. So,

3513
02:07:51,240 --> 02:07:52,520
if a council member attends a

3514
02:07:52,520 --> 02:07:54,480
conference, uh at the next council

3515
02:07:54,480 --> 02:07:56,880
meeting or thereafter, really reporting

3516
02:07:56,880 --> 02:07:58,640
back what was learned, uh what was

3517
02:07:58,640 --> 02:08:00,560
gained, why it was important, that type

3518
02:08:00,560 --> 02:08:02,760
of thing. Um not only for the rest of

3519
02:08:02,760 --> 02:08:04,400
the council members to kind of learn

3520
02:08:04,400 --> 02:08:06,000
from that, but also to share with the

3521
02:08:06,000 --> 02:08:08,440
community kind of the benefits um from

3522
02:08:08,440 --> 02:08:11,040
that particular endeavor.

3523
02:08:11,040 --> 02:08:13,520
And then audits. We talk in here and we

3524
02:08:13,520 --> 02:08:16,360
want to make it, you know, known that um

3525
02:08:16,360 --> 02:08:19,560
periodically or as needed, um finance

3526
02:08:19,560 --> 02:08:21,880
department will audit any

3527
02:08:21,880 --> 02:08:24,000
reimbursements, any travel, just to

3528
02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:27,560
ensure that it is following the policy.

3529
02:08:27,560 --> 02:08:30,120
Um so, that is a thumbnail sketch of the

3530
02:08:30,120 --> 02:08:32,240
drafted policy. Happy to answer any

3531
02:08:32,240 --> 02:08:34,400
questions that the council may have. Uh

3532
02:08:34,400 --> 02:08:37,040
also happy to take direction on changes,

3533
02:08:37,040 --> 02:08:39,280
tweaks, modifications um that the

3534
02:08:39,280 --> 02:08:41,320
council would like to see really for for

3535
02:08:41,320 --> 02:08:42,538
their travel policy, travel

3536
02:08:42,538 --> 02:08:43,760
[clears throat] and training.

3537
02:08:43,760 --> 02:08:46,600
>> Uh any questions up here?

3538
02:08:46,600 --> 02:08:48,760
>> I I just have one statement.

3539
02:08:48,760 --> 02:08:51,480
Uh and that's for the um the mayor and

3540
02:08:51,480 --> 02:08:56,640
council member academy, so the every odd year. So uh just my opinion, I

3541
02:08:56,640 --> 02:08:59,640
think that should be mandatory for

3542
02:08:59,640 --> 02:09:02,520
incoming council members

3543
02:09:02,520 --> 02:09:05,240
to give them that opportunity to

3544
02:09:05,240 --> 02:09:08,040
get that broader view of what other uh

3545
02:09:08,040 --> 02:09:09,720
city representatives are doing and give

3546
02:09:09,720 --> 02:09:12,480
them the opportunity to to network so

3547
02:09:12,480 --> 02:09:13,880
they have uh

3548
02:09:13,880 --> 02:09:16,320
ears and eyes to pull from as as they go

3549
02:09:16,320 --> 02:09:19,000
through their tenure.

3550
02:09:19,000 --> 02:09:21,800
>> I'll I'd say I I if not mandatory, at

3551
02:09:21,800 --> 02:09:24,320
least highly recommended.

3552
02:09:24,320 --> 02:09:25,440
Um

3553
02:09:25,440 --> 02:09:26,800
>> Highly recommend. I'm on board with

3554
02:09:26,800 --> 02:09:27,360
that. Sure.

3555
02:09:27,360 --> 02:09:29,520
>> Yeah, highly recommend. I assumed you're

3556
02:09:29,520 --> 02:09:31,800
going, why wouldn't you be?

3557
02:09:31,800 --> 02:09:34,280
Um but I even returning

3558
02:09:34,280 --> 02:09:36,240
you get a lot out of that. There there

3559
02:09:36,240 --> 02:09:39,400
the legal updates and uh issue updates

3560
02:09:39,400 --> 02:09:41,720
every 2 years of what's current right

3561
02:09:41,720 --> 02:09:44,520
now. So you have all of the um

3562
02:09:44,520 --> 02:09:47,280
different assemblies for those and and

3563
02:09:47,280 --> 02:09:48,600
whatnot. So there's a lot of great

3564
02:09:48,600 --> 02:09:51,640
education in that. But uh

3565
02:09:51,640 --> 02:09:53,040
>> I feel like you guys are kind of beating

3566
02:09:53,040 --> 02:09:54,240
me up here and I just want to say there

3567
02:09:54,240 --> 02:09:55,920
was no availability when I got elected,

3568
02:09:55,920 --> 02:09:56,554
okay?

3569
02:09:56,554 --> 02:09:57,200
>> [laughter]

3570
02:09:57,200 --> 02:09:59,600
>> You were late and we will not hopefully

3571
02:09:59,600 --> 02:10:02,449
we won't be late again.

3572
02:10:02,449 --> 02:10:02,480
>> [clears throat]

3573
02:10:02,480 --> 02:10:04,720
>> I might be I might be in the minority

3574
02:10:04,720 --> 02:10:07,800
here, which is fine. I I just don't I

3575
02:10:07,800 --> 02:10:09,480
just can't get behind spending the money

3576
02:10:09,480 --> 02:10:10,520
for

3577
02:10:10,520 --> 02:10:12,520
these things. Uh

3578
02:10:12,520 --> 02:10:13,880
I just think it puts a target on our

3579
02:10:13,880 --> 02:10:17,120
back. It's a networking thing. Um

3580
02:10:17,120 --> 02:10:19,080
It's just my opinion.

3581
02:10:19,080 --> 02:10:21,480
But uh like I said

3582
02:10:21,480 --> 02:10:24,200
um I can see where you could go network

3583
02:10:24,200 --> 02:10:26,400
and do that kind of thing, but

3584
02:10:26,400 --> 02:10:28,790
yeah.

3585
02:10:28,800 --> 02:10:30,120
I think these are things you can do

3586
02:10:30,120 --> 02:10:32,840
online yourself, zooms, all that kind of

3587
02:10:32,840 --> 02:10:35,440
stuff, but that's my opinion.

3588
02:10:35,440 --> 02:10:36,400
I don't know. You guys have any

3589
02:10:36,400 --> 02:10:38,240
thoughts?

3590
02:10:38,240 --> 02:10:40,360
>> Yeah, actually, but

3591
02:10:40,360 --> 02:10:41,600
sounds like council member Cagle is

3592
02:10:41,600 --> 02:10:42,240
getting ready to

3593
02:10:42,240 --> 02:10:44,600
>> Yeah, I'll go first.

3594
02:10:44,600 --> 02:10:46,000
I I

3595
02:10:46,000 --> 02:10:48,320
don't want to 100% you know discourage

3596
02:10:48,320 --> 02:10:50,640
us networking with with other you know

3597
02:10:50,640 --> 02:10:52,760
cities, other areas,

3598
02:10:52,760 --> 02:10:54,720
you know, other council members, mayors,

3599
02:10:54,720 --> 02:10:56,480
you know, whatnot. I don't think that

3600
02:10:56,480 --> 02:10:58,360
necessarily you know puts a target on

3601
02:10:58,360 --> 02:11:00,320
our back. I don't think

3602
02:11:00,320 --> 02:11:02,000
I understand you what your your point of

3603
02:11:02,000 --> 02:11:04,520
view there that the more exposure that a

3604
02:11:04,520 --> 02:11:07,240
small town like ours has to larger

3605
02:11:07,240 --> 02:11:10,600
cities more opportunity for a larger

3606
02:11:10,600 --> 02:11:12,400
city to say, "Hey, they got a lot a lot

3607
02:11:12,400 --> 02:11:13,920
of land. Why don't we go try and develop

3608
02:11:13,920 --> 02:11:14,920
over there?"

3609
02:11:14,920 --> 02:11:16,465
And I think that's kind of

3610
02:11:16,465 --> 02:11:17,560
[clears throat]

3611
02:11:17,560 --> 02:11:19,320
you know your your line of thinking

3612
02:11:19,320 --> 02:11:22,280
there. I do think that there is you know

3613
02:11:22,280 --> 02:11:24,600
definitely

3614
02:11:24,600 --> 02:11:26,560
some advantage to be had in you know

3615
02:11:26,560 --> 02:11:27,840
hearing other points of view, things

3616
02:11:27,840 --> 02:11:28,800
that they're looking at, things that

3617
02:11:28,800 --> 02:11:29,800
they're talking about, things they're

3618
02:11:29,800 --> 02:11:31,680
doing in their cities.

3619
02:11:31,680 --> 02:11:33,120
So I I I don't think you know it should

3620
02:11:33,120 --> 02:11:35,560
be a a blanket you know no we shouldn't

3621
02:11:35,560 --> 02:11:37,600
you know allow X, Y, or Z, but I

3622
02:11:37,600 --> 02:11:38,600
definitely do think there should be a

3623
02:11:38,600 --> 02:11:40,440
limitation.

3624
02:11:40,440 --> 02:11:42,880
Council member Eagles suggestion of a of

3625
02:11:42,880 --> 02:11:44,360
a mandatory

3626
02:11:44,360 --> 02:11:45,600
apparently

3627
02:11:45,600 --> 02:11:47,840
all three of you seem to have thought

3628
02:11:47,840 --> 02:11:49,080
that you got something really good out

3629
02:11:49,080 --> 02:11:51,040
of that when you went.

3630
02:11:51,040 --> 02:11:51,920
Right.

3631
02:11:51,920 --> 02:11:53,800
>> I guess what I'm looking at is like how

3632
02:11:53,800 --> 02:11:54,720
much

3633
02:11:54,720 --> 02:11:56,520
can't you get the same out of a zoom

3634
02:11:56,520 --> 02:11:57,720
meeting?

3635
02:11:57,720 --> 02:11:59,360
>> But you you can attend these things

3636
02:11:59,360 --> 02:12:01,840
virtually.

3637
02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:02,880
The the the things that they're talking

3638
02:12:02,880 --> 02:12:05,120
about you can't attend virtually and

3639
02:12:05,120 --> 02:12:07,040
you know I I will say you know I I work

3640
02:12:07,040 --> 02:12:09,600
in a a completely remote environment. I

3641
02:12:09,600 --> 02:12:11,360
see you know my actual co-workers I may

3642
02:12:11,360 --> 02:12:14,040
see them twice a year you know in total.

3643
02:12:14,040 --> 02:12:15,280
You know those moments definitely build

3644
02:12:15,280 --> 02:12:16,800
the relationships a lot more than you

3645
02:12:16,800 --> 02:12:17,840
know the phone calls and the Zoom

3646
02:12:17,840 --> 02:12:19,200
meetings. So,

3647
02:12:19,200 --> 02:12:21,000
uh I do think that there is an advantage

3648
02:12:21,000 --> 02:12:22,440
to in-person

3649
02:12:22,440 --> 02:12:25,241
uh attendance, as well. Um anyway, I

3650
02:12:25,241 --> 02:12:26,240
[clears throat] I I do like, you know,

3651
02:12:26,240 --> 02:12:27,960
the the suggestion, you know, that you

3652
02:12:27,960 --> 02:12:29,320
know, whatever it is that you guys, you

3653
02:12:29,320 --> 02:12:30,440
know, got out of that that you thought

3654
02:12:30,440 --> 02:12:32,520
was so beneficial. Uh I mean, I'd sure

3655
02:12:32,520 --> 02:12:34,680
like to to get my hands on it, as well.

3656
02:12:34,680 --> 02:12:35,920
Uh and I think that, you know, if it's

3657
02:12:35,920 --> 02:12:38,600
something that is that beneficial, um

3658
02:12:38,600 --> 02:12:40,360
let me ask you, do you is that something

3659
02:12:40,360 --> 02:12:42,360
that we should be like on a rotation of,

3660
02:12:42,360 --> 02:12:43,440
you know, council members, you know, if

3661
02:12:43,440 --> 02:12:44,840
they're, you know, elected to do a

3662
02:12:44,840 --> 02:12:47,320
second term, should they they also be

3663
02:12:47,320 --> 02:12:49,200
attending it again?

3664
02:12:49,200 --> 02:12:49,480
Is it

3665
02:12:49,480 --> 02:12:51,440
>> It's my opinion that they should. So,

3666
02:12:51,440 --> 02:12:52,880
because of the updates, the legal

3667
02:12:52,880 --> 02:12:54,800
updates, the issue updates, like, for

3668
02:12:54,800 --> 02:12:57,480
example, 2 years ago, data centers

3669
02:12:57,480 --> 02:12:59,840
wouldn't be in the conversation.

3670
02:12:59,840 --> 02:13:01,560
Right? And flock cameras wouldn't be in

3671
02:13:01,560 --> 02:13:03,440
the conversation. And now we have those

3672
02:13:03,440 --> 02:13:05,200
updates, where we'll be able to get more

3673
02:13:05,200 --> 02:13:07,680
information on what these things are,

3674
02:13:07,680 --> 02:13:10,840
and it's not just from your Instagram

3675
02:13:10,840 --> 02:13:13,200
reels. And like, it's actual information

3676
02:13:13,200 --> 02:13:15,120
of what contracts say, and how do they

3677
02:13:15,120 --> 02:13:17,680
affect cities, and how they go in and go

3678
02:13:17,680 --> 02:13:21,000
out, and how decisions are made. So, um

3679
02:13:21,000 --> 02:13:22,360
>> Well, that's stuff you can

3680
02:13:22,360 --> 02:13:25,400
>> So, the same way as I go to other

3681
02:13:25,400 --> 02:13:27,040
conferences for other professional, you

3682
02:13:27,040 --> 02:13:29,960
know, your real estate conferences every

3683
02:13:29,960 --> 02:13:31,720
year, they have legal updates. Like,

3684
02:13:31,720 --> 02:13:33,240
things are done different. The contracts

3685
02:13:33,240 --> 02:13:36,120
change here and there. So, um

3686
02:13:36,120 --> 02:13:39,040
that's why I would think every 2 years

3687
02:13:39,040 --> 02:13:41,880
it is nice to go and get those issue

3688
02:13:41,880 --> 02:13:43,400
updates and legal updates.

3689
02:13:43,400 --> 02:13:45,520
>> Well, I I would think that um you know,

3690
02:13:45,520 --> 02:13:46,560
those kind of updates you're you're

3691
02:13:46,560 --> 02:13:48,120
talking about are also going to, you

3692
02:13:48,120 --> 02:13:49,360
know, alert us to things that may be

3693
02:13:49,360 --> 02:13:50,680
coming down the pipeline that we may not

3694
02:13:50,680 --> 02:13:52,080
be unaware of,

3695
02:13:52,080 --> 02:13:53,720
uh you know, as a council, you know, or

3696
02:13:53,720 --> 02:13:55,760
that that staff, you know, may slipped

3697
02:13:55,760 --> 02:13:57,360
underneath their radar at some point,

3698
02:13:57,360 --> 02:13:58,880
you know, that kind of thing.

3699
02:13:58,880 --> 02:13:59,920
Uh you know, so, I think there you know,

3700
02:13:59,920 --> 02:14:01,800
there is a possibility of of being able

3701
02:14:01,800 --> 02:14:04,000
to stay, you know, ahead of a problem

3702
02:14:04,000 --> 02:14:05,240
uh if you're getting information from

3703
02:14:05,240 --> 02:14:07,400
those kind of sources. So, that's, you

3704
02:14:07,400 --> 02:14:08,480
know, my take on it. Like I said, I've

3705
02:14:08,480 --> 02:14:09,720
never attended any of these things,

3706
02:14:09,720 --> 02:14:11,360
aside from uh you know, the the one

3707
02:14:11,360 --> 02:14:13,040
thing that I mentioned our our last

3708
02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:14,720
discussion about this.

3709
02:14:14,720 --> 02:14:17,480
Um So, I don't have a a big scope to to

3710
02:14:17,480 --> 02:14:20,120
go on there, but I think that we should

3711
02:14:20,120 --> 02:14:22,120
definitely do this on a limited level.

3712
02:14:22,120 --> 02:14:23,520
We shouldn't be just wasting tax

3713
02:14:23,520 --> 02:14:24,760
dollars, you know, flying all over the

3714
02:14:24,760 --> 02:14:26,640
country and and you know, doing

3715
02:14:26,640 --> 02:14:29,240
attending everything that pops up.

3716
02:14:29,240 --> 02:14:31,000
But I do think that some of these things

3717
02:14:31,000 --> 02:14:32,880
probably are

3718
02:14:32,880 --> 02:14:35,200
maybe not necessary, but should be

3719
02:14:35,200 --> 02:14:37,440
encouraged just to be sure that we are

3720
02:14:37,440 --> 02:14:39,240
staying up to date with the the newest

3721
02:14:39,240 --> 02:14:41,360
things and making, you know, contacts

3722
02:14:41,360 --> 02:14:42,520
and

3723
02:14:42,520 --> 02:14:43,640
you know, that sort of thing you know,

3724
02:14:43,640 --> 02:14:45,200
with other communities that are similar.

3725
02:14:45,200 --> 02:14:46,680
There are similar communities out there

3726
02:14:46,680 --> 02:14:48,680
that we may be the only Echelon, but

3727
02:14:48,680 --> 02:14:52,200
there are other little towns that are just like us in in a lot of fashions

3728
02:14:52,200 --> 02:14:53,120
and forms.

3729
02:14:53,120 --> 02:14:55,160
>> I really think that was the largest

3730
02:14:55,160 --> 02:14:57,400
benefit for that Cal Cities meeting was

3731
02:14:57,400 --> 02:14:59,680
to be able to network with

3732
02:14:59,680 --> 02:15:02,120
several small communities similar to our

3733
02:15:02,120 --> 02:15:05,760
own in in one visit.

3734
02:15:05,760 --> 02:15:08,040
There was a lot that was learned

3735
02:15:08,040 --> 02:15:09,680
at least by myself and and you know, I

3736
02:15:09,680 --> 02:15:10,920
think there's a lot of energy coming

3737
02:15:10,920 --> 02:15:12,600
into it when you still have, you know,

3738
02:15:12,600 --> 02:15:14,280
hopes and dreams of being a public

3739
02:15:14,280 --> 02:15:16,160
servant until they're kind of dashed and

3740
02:15:16,160 --> 02:15:17,720
stomped on by the reality of the

3741
02:15:17,720 --> 02:15:19,840
service. Um

3742
02:15:19,840 --> 02:15:22,760
you know, if if I could say one

3743
02:15:22,760 --> 02:15:25,600
or make one suggestion and I think that

3744
02:15:25,600 --> 02:15:27,520
the policy and everything looks great

3745
02:15:27,520 --> 02:15:30,640
and all of us may have different ideas

3746
02:15:30,640 --> 02:15:32,360
or intentions on things we'd like to

3747
02:15:32,360 --> 02:15:34,760
further educate ourselves about. I would

3748
02:15:34,760 --> 02:15:41,080
just throw it out there that the council had potential to to do one

3749
02:15:41,080 --> 02:15:42,960
event per year per council member and

3750
02:15:42,960 --> 02:15:44,600
that kind of gives them the opportunity

3751
02:15:44,600 --> 02:15:45,720
to

3752
02:15:45,720 --> 02:15:47,480
go to the one that they want to or or

3753
02:15:47,480 --> 02:15:50,200
maybe kind of team up. I know if if for

3754
02:15:50,200 --> 02:15:53,680
whatever reason I I do win my seat

3755
02:15:53,680 --> 02:15:55,920
and I stay on cog, I will definitely,

3756
02:15:55,920 --> 02:15:57,840
you know, be attending next year's one

3757
02:15:57,840 --> 02:15:59,760
voice trip. So, that would be my I okay,

3758
02:15:59,760 --> 02:16:02,040
I want to go to that one. But for

3759
02:16:02,040 --> 02:16:03,960
everybody else, I mean, I think we heard

3760
02:16:03,960 --> 02:16:06,320
feedback from uh both uh Councilman

3761
02:16:06,320 --> 02:16:08,960
Walker and Stroman uh about their desire

3762
02:16:08,960 --> 02:16:11,400
to to visit this um

3763
02:16:11,400 --> 02:16:13,480
annual conference. So, you know, I

3764
02:16:13,480 --> 02:16:15,640
think, you know, one a year per council

3765
02:16:15,640 --> 02:16:18,600
member is is a um

3766
02:16:18,600 --> 02:16:20,640
kind of a a fair and balanced, you know,

3767
02:16:20,640 --> 02:16:23,710
offering.

3768
02:16:23,720 --> 02:16:25,200
Uh any other thoughts on this side

3769
02:16:25,200 --> 02:16:27,000
before we go out to public?

3770
02:16:27,000 --> 02:16:28,000
>> So,

3771
02:16:28,000 --> 02:16:29,120
briefly,

3772
02:16:29,120 --> 02:16:30,080
um

3773
02:16:30,080 --> 02:16:31,880
actually I have a question.

3774
02:16:31,880 --> 02:16:34,080
So, this may be getting in the weeds a

3775
02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:36,559
little bit too much, uh but when it

3776
02:16:36,559 --> 02:16:39,320
comes to vehicles, what's not mentioned

3777
02:16:39,320 --> 02:16:41,040
is um

3778
02:16:41,040 --> 02:16:42,920
insurance.

3779
02:16:42,920 --> 02:16:45,920
And so, I would just would like to some

3780
02:16:45,920 --> 02:16:48,280
sort of clarification as far as

3781
02:16:48,280 --> 02:16:49,760
if there is

3782
02:16:49,760 --> 02:16:52,000
if you use a personal vehicle, does the

3783
02:16:52,000 --> 02:16:53,639
city's insurance

3784
02:16:53,639 --> 02:16:55,320
cover you?

3785
02:16:55,320 --> 02:16:58,639
Uh if you use a rental vehicle,

3786
02:16:58,639 --> 02:17:02,760
are you required to buy the the rental

3787
02:17:02,760 --> 02:17:05,840
the rip-off rental car insurance?

3788
02:17:05,840 --> 02:17:07,679
Um

3789
02:17:07,679 --> 02:17:09,200
but the other thing that I that I want

3790
02:17:09,200 --> 02:17:11,120
to mention and and

3791
02:17:11,120 --> 02:17:13,519
Mayor, I understand your perspective

3792
02:17:13,519 --> 02:17:15,519
about um

3793
02:17:15,519 --> 02:17:17,679
couldn't you just jump on a Zoom?

3794
02:17:17,679 --> 02:17:20,080
There are I can speak from experience.

3795
02:17:20,080 --> 02:17:22,639
There are many many

3796
02:17:22,639 --> 02:17:25,200
uh networking possibilities

3797
02:17:25,200 --> 02:17:26,639
um

3798
02:17:26,639 --> 02:17:27,880
for

3799
02:17:27,880 --> 02:17:29,960
mayors and council members within Cal

3800
02:17:29,960 --> 02:17:31,559
Cities.

3801
02:17:31,559 --> 02:17:32,880
However,

3802
02:17:32,880 --> 02:17:34,360
um

3803
02:17:34,360 --> 02:17:37,040
there's also something that we said

3804
02:17:37,040 --> 02:17:41,000
about networking, meeting face-to-face.

3805
02:17:41,000 --> 02:17:42,599
For example,

3806
02:17:42,599 --> 02:17:43,920
um

3807
02:17:43,920 --> 02:17:45,920
at the Mayor and Council Members Academy

3808
02:17:45,920 --> 02:17:47,080
that

3809
02:17:47,080 --> 02:17:49,719
Councilman Angle and Councilman Walker,

3810
02:17:49,719 --> 02:17:51,719
myself, and former Mayor Bellinger

3811
02:17:51,719 --> 02:17:52,920
attended,

3812
02:17:52,920 --> 02:17:56,240
um we met with representatives from City

3813
02:17:56,240 --> 02:17:57,679
Riverbank

3814
02:17:57,679 --> 02:18:00,440
and developed those connections.

3815
02:18:00,440 --> 02:18:04,639
And I think most people realize um

3816
02:18:04,639 --> 02:18:07,360
City Riverbank has a very big

3817
02:18:07,360 --> 02:18:08,360
um

3818
02:18:08,360 --> 02:18:11,120
ballot measure coming in November.

3819
02:18:11,120 --> 02:18:13,679
And uh with River the potential for

3820
02:18:13,679 --> 02:18:15,440
Riverwalk.

3821
02:18:15,440 --> 02:18:18,719
And through networking opportunities

3822
02:18:18,719 --> 02:18:20,200
um

3823
02:18:20,200 --> 02:18:25,280
I can't speak for Councilmember Engler Councilmember or Mayor Pro Tem

3824
02:18:25,280 --> 02:18:26,599
Walker.

3825
02:18:26,599 --> 02:18:30,000
But I made a phone call to those

3826
02:18:30,000 --> 02:18:32,120
representatives within the city of

3827
02:18:32,120 --> 02:18:33,679
Riverbank that I developed a

3828
02:18:33,679 --> 02:18:35,760
relationship with at the Mayor and

3829
02:18:35,760 --> 02:18:38,800
Councilmember Academy and I said

3830
02:18:38,800 --> 02:18:40,920
"Hell no, we don't need this Riverwalk

3831
02:18:40,920 --> 02:18:43,440
community. Do you realize

3832
02:18:43,440 --> 02:18:44,920
how much it's going to affect the city

3833
02:18:44,920 --> 02:18:46,840
of Escalon?"

3834
02:18:46,840 --> 02:18:48,280
And if I would have picked up the phone

3835
02:18:48,280 --> 02:18:49,599
and just did a cold call, they would

3836
02:18:49,599 --> 02:18:50,840
have probably been like, "Who the heck

3837
02:18:50,840 --> 02:18:52,000
are you?"

3838
02:18:52,000 --> 02:18:54,080
But but the power of networking and

3839
02:18:54,080 --> 02:18:57,160
building those relationships

3840
02:18:57,160 --> 02:18:59,880
I mean, let's face it. Every small city

3841
02:18:59,880 --> 02:19:02,760
and similar to the city of Escalon

3842
02:19:02,760 --> 02:19:04,960
is dealing with the exact same issues

3843
02:19:04,960 --> 02:19:06,719
that we are with the state of

3844
02:19:06,719 --> 02:19:09,120
California. And I truly believe that

3845
02:19:09,120 --> 02:19:11,559
there's strength in numbers and how we

3846
02:19:11,559 --> 02:19:14,559
can work together to push back.

3847
02:19:14,559 --> 02:19:16,800
>> I I see what you're saying. I'm just

3848
02:19:16,800 --> 02:19:18,080
saying

3849
02:19:18,080 --> 02:19:19,920
when you start swimming with the sharks,

3850
02:19:19,920 --> 02:19:22,480
just don't be surprised if you get bit.

3851
02:19:22,480 --> 02:19:23,760
Okay, so

3852
02:19:23,760 --> 02:19:25,920
that's all I got to say from my my side

3853
02:19:25,920 --> 02:19:26,800
of it. But

3854
02:19:26,800 --> 02:19:27,679
>> Okay.

3855
02:19:27,679 --> 02:19:29,280
>> Like I said, I I was probably in the

3856
02:19:29,280 --> 02:19:30,880
minority on that.

3857
02:19:30,880 --> 02:19:32,599
I figured I was.

3858
02:19:32,599 --> 02:19:35,509
>> It's okay.

3859
02:19:35,519 --> 02:19:39,509
» Been there many times.

3860
02:19:39,519 --> 02:19:40,280
Okay.

3861
02:19:40,280 --> 02:19:42,040
>> Um can I go out to the public?

3862
02:19:42,040 --> 02:19:42,719
>> Sure.

3863
02:19:42,719 --> 02:19:45,719
>> Uh public, anyone like to speak on this

3864
02:19:45,719 --> 02:19:48,559
subject at all?

3865
02:19:48,559 --> 02:19:50,646
Gary, there's Gary.

3866
02:19:50,646 --> 02:19:52,400
>> [clears throat]

3867
02:19:52,400 --> 02:19:53,960
>> twice in a row.

3868
02:19:53,960 --> 02:19:57,000
Having set your seat and Councilman

3869
02:19:57,000 --> 02:19:58,080
Engler hit

3870
02:19:58,080 --> 02:20:01,480
>> think the basic issue is education.

3871
02:20:01,480 --> 02:20:02,760
And when you go to that first-time

3872
02:20:02,760 --> 02:20:06,840
council member and mayors education,

3873
02:20:06,840 --> 02:20:08,920
they're going to let it the new guy, new

3874
02:20:08,920 --> 02:20:11,080
gal, new person

3875
02:20:11,080 --> 02:20:12,280
know,

3876
02:20:12,280 --> 02:20:14,440
this is your job.

3877
02:20:14,440 --> 02:20:17,120
One, two, whatever.

3878
02:20:17,120 --> 02:20:19,680
This is not your job. One through

3879
02:20:19,680 --> 02:20:22,240
whatever. And almost as important as

3880
02:20:22,240 --> 02:20:24,080
knowing what your job is, you need to

3881
02:20:24,080 --> 02:20:26,440
know what your job is not. And people

3882
02:20:26,440 --> 02:20:28,560
coming, you know, like all of us did the

3883
02:20:28,560 --> 02:20:30,680
first time walk in, we don't know how to

3884
02:20:30,680 --> 02:20:32,160
be a councilman.

3885
02:20:32,160 --> 02:20:34,360
You know, we're we're there for, you

3886
02:20:34,360 --> 02:20:36,280
know, to serve the public, but there's a

3887
02:20:36,280 --> 02:20:37,920
lot of pitfalls you can get yourself

3888
02:20:37,920 --> 02:20:38,960
into.

3889
02:20:38,960 --> 02:20:40,840
Especially they go through the Brown

3890
02:20:40,840 --> 02:20:41,960
Act.

3891
02:20:41,960 --> 02:20:44,120
I think everybody is required to take

3892
02:20:44,120 --> 02:20:47,320
Brown Act education now, but that gives

3893
02:20:47,320 --> 02:20:48,040
you

3894
02:20:48,040 --> 02:20:51,480
a foot in the door. You know, I like

3895
02:20:51,480 --> 02:20:53,840
except for first-time council people,

3896
02:20:53,840 --> 02:20:56,280
it's I think it should be mandatory or

3897
02:20:56,280 --> 02:20:58,480
strongly suggested.

3898
02:20:58,480 --> 02:20:59,840
Cuz you got to know what you can and

3899
02:20:59,840 --> 02:21:02,750
cannot do.

3900
02:21:02,760 --> 02:21:05,160
» All right. Anyone else out there?

3901
02:21:05,160 --> 02:21:06,040
No?

3902
02:21:06,040 --> 02:21:08,120
All right, bring it back to Oh, sorry,

3903
02:21:08,120 --> 02:21:10,680
online.

3904
02:21:10,680 --> 02:21:12,840
Okay, bring it back to the dais.

3905
02:21:12,840 --> 02:21:15,560
Any last thoughts or does anyone want to

3906
02:21:15,560 --> 02:21:16,880
Excuse [clears throat] me, humor a

3907
02:21:16,880 --> 02:21:18,160
motion.

3908
02:21:18,160 --> 02:21:19,400
>> No, I just want to know if Gary thinks

3909
02:21:19,400 --> 02:21:20,760
I'm doing a bad job cuz I didn't go to

3910
02:21:20,760 --> 02:21:21,692
this thing.

3911
02:21:21,692 --> 02:21:22,680
>> [laughter]

3912
02:21:22,680 --> 02:21:25,400
>> No, but the tutorial is very nice.

3913
02:21:25,400 --> 02:21:28,640
Like it really is. It And and Jaylen

3914
02:21:28,640 --> 02:21:30,040
wasn't here at the time. We weren't

3915
02:21:30,040 --> 02:21:32,280
doing briefings when we got here. So you

3916
02:21:32,280 --> 02:21:34,160
had the benefit of when you got here,

3917
02:21:34,160 --> 02:21:36,920
did a great briefing with staff, did a

3918
02:21:36,920 --> 02:21:38,040
great job on that.

3919
02:21:38,040 --> 02:21:39,600
>> 2 hours of quality time with Frank

3920
02:21:39,600 --> 02:21:40,688
instead of a meeting in Sacramento.

3921
02:21:40,688 --> 02:21:41,960
[laughter]

3922
02:21:41,960 --> 02:21:43,880
>> But it was really nice to go through

3923
02:21:43,880 --> 02:21:45,120
that.

3924
02:21:45,120 --> 02:21:47,480
At the time, Frank's team actually led

3925
02:21:47,480 --> 02:21:49,000
the legal

3926
02:21:49,000 --> 02:21:51,120
seminar. Very They made it very

3927
02:21:51,120 --> 02:21:53,600
interesting. It wasn't as boring as

3928
02:21:53,600 --> 02:21:54,840
>> It's not [clears throat] easy to do.

3929
02:21:54,840 --> 02:21:57,120
>> Yeah, you know, and

3930
02:21:57,120 --> 02:21:59,760
no, it was like Gary said, it was a very

3931
02:21:59,760 --> 02:22:01,800
good experience. The the tutorial of

3932
02:22:01,800 --> 02:22:04,040
what what to do and what not to do kind

3933
02:22:04,040 --> 02:22:04,880
of.

3934
02:22:04,880 --> 02:22:06,680
Um

3935
02:22:06,680 --> 02:22:08,853
You're not doing a bad job.

3936
02:22:08,853 --> 02:22:10,240
>> [laughter]

3937
02:22:10,240 --> 02:22:10,800
>> Okay.

3938
02:22:10,800 --> 02:22:13,560
>> I just want to say I know that Council

3939
02:22:13,560 --> 02:22:15,840
Engel said one per year.

3940
02:22:15,840 --> 02:22:18,640
I'm more on the mayor's and council

3941
02:22:18,640 --> 02:22:22,440
member academy plus one per year is more

3942
02:22:22,440 --> 02:22:26,080
of where I'm leaning on that one.

3943
02:22:26,080 --> 02:22:28,160
I don't know if we're defining how many

3944
02:22:28,160 --> 02:22:29,400
at this point either.

3945
02:22:29,400 --> 02:22:31,880
>> The entire council or incoming members

3946
02:22:31,880 --> 02:22:33,040
just so I'm clear.

3947
02:22:33,040 --> 02:22:34,240
>> Entire council.

3948
02:22:34,240 --> 02:22:36,160
>> Every two years?

3949
02:22:36,160 --> 02:22:40,680
>> Highly No, just allowed to so I guess

3950
02:22:40,680 --> 02:22:43,400
recommend highly recommended for new.

3951
02:22:43,400 --> 02:22:45,360
Highly recommended for everybody really

3952
02:22:45,360 --> 02:22:46,960
and then uh

3953
02:22:46,960 --> 02:22:51,080
plus allowance for one more per year.

3954
02:22:51,080 --> 02:22:53,600
>> I could get on board with that.

3955
02:22:53,600 --> 02:22:55,400
Do you have any more thoughts on this

3956
02:22:55,400 --> 02:22:58,470
side?

3957
02:22:58,480 --> 02:23:00,400
We have a motion on anything or just

3958
02:23:00,400 --> 02:23:01,360
still

3959
02:23:01,360 --> 02:23:02,200
>> Do we need Okay.

3960
02:23:02,200 --> 02:23:04,680
>> Still deliberating.

3961
02:23:04,680 --> 02:23:07,400
I'll move to approve the city council

3962
02:23:07,400 --> 02:23:09,880
travel and training policy

3963
02:23:09,880 --> 02:23:13,520
with the stipulation of um

3964
02:23:13,520 --> 02:23:15,400
attendance

3965
02:23:15,400 --> 02:23:18,880
at the mayor and council member academy

3966
02:23:18,880 --> 02:23:19,840
um

3967
02:23:19,840 --> 02:23:22,720
strongly encouraged

3968
02:23:22,720 --> 02:23:26,960
as well as one other additional event.

3969
02:23:26,960 --> 02:23:28,520
Um

3970
02:23:28,520 --> 02:23:30,760
keeping in mind that these are taxpayer

3971
02:23:30,760 --> 02:23:33,480
dollars and to be good financial

3972
02:23:33,480 --> 02:23:36,040
stewards

3973
02:23:36,040 --> 02:23:38,480
of these monies.

3974
02:23:38,480 --> 02:23:40,000
>> I'll second it just because that last

3975
02:23:40,000 --> 02:23:41,800
writer you put on there.

3976
02:23:41,800 --> 02:23:44,840
>> Just a point of clarification. The one

3977
02:23:44,840 --> 02:23:46,120
the mayor's and council member academy

3978
02:23:46,120 --> 02:23:47,480
is once every two years.

3979
02:23:47,480 --> 02:23:48,120
>> Right.

3980
02:23:48,120 --> 02:23:50,400
>> And you said one other conference, is

3981
02:23:50,400 --> 02:23:52,480
that annually or is that also once every

3982
02:23:52,480 --> 02:23:53,560
two years?

3983
02:23:53,560 --> 02:23:54,400
>> Annually.

3984
02:23:54,400 --> 02:23:56,400
>> Okay, so the one other annually and the

3985
02:23:56,400 --> 02:23:57,880
mayors and council members, got it.

3986
02:23:57,880 --> 02:23:59,440
Okay, just to make it clear.

3987
02:23:59,440 --> 02:24:00,360
>> Okay.

3988
02:24:00,360 --> 02:24:01,080
Uh,

3989
02:24:01,080 --> 02:24:02,600
all in favor say I.

3990
02:24:02,600 --> 02:24:03,400
>> I.

3991
02:24:03,400 --> 02:24:04,400
>> All opposed say nay.

3992
02:24:04,400 --> 02:24:07,150
>> One nay.

3993
02:24:07,160 --> 02:24:11,270
» We'll go to the next one.

3994
02:24:11,280 --> 02:24:12,520
Okay.

3995
02:24:12,520 --> 02:24:14,760
That's a number 11.

3996
02:24:14,760 --> 02:24:16,200
>> Number 11.

3997
02:24:16,200 --> 02:24:17,200
>> All right,

3998
02:24:17,200 --> 02:24:19,480
last item.

3999
02:24:19,480 --> 02:24:22,160
So, uh, this item also being brought

4000
02:24:22,160 --> 02:24:23,520
forward, uh,

4001
02:24:23,520 --> 02:24:25,880
from an agenda item request by council

4002
02:24:25,880 --> 02:24:28,240
members, and I believe largely stemming

4003
02:24:28,240 --> 02:24:31,000
from some questions, comments, uh, from

4004
02:24:31,000 --> 02:24:32,680
the community.

4005
02:24:32,680 --> 02:24:35,080
And so, I'll turn it over in a in a bit

4006
02:24:35,080 --> 02:24:36,720
to chief who will go through the full

4007
02:24:36,720 --> 02:24:39,440
presentation outline outlining some

4008
02:24:39,440 --> 02:24:41,720
candid pros and cons,

4009
02:24:41,720 --> 02:24:44,080
um, for the technology. And we're

4010
02:24:44,080 --> 02:24:45,680
talking about kind of digital

4011
02:24:45,680 --> 02:24:48,080
surveillance and, um, automatic license

4012
02:24:48,080 --> 02:24:50,400
plate readers.

4013
02:24:50,400 --> 02:24:53,400
So, we understand that communities are

4014
02:24:53,400 --> 02:24:55,720
the embodiment of ideals and values of

4015
02:24:55,720 --> 02:24:57,280
the residents.

4016
02:24:57,280 --> 02:24:59,960
So, to this end, we take, uh, requests

4017
02:24:59,960 --> 02:25:02,480
to review, uh, procedures, piece of

4018
02:25:02,480 --> 02:25:05,720
technology or equipment very seriously.

4019
02:25:05,720 --> 02:25:07,440
Uh, we further understand that certain

4020
02:25:07,440 --> 02:25:09,600
technologies, approaches, or equipment

4021
02:25:09,600 --> 02:25:13,240
can be viewed differently over time,

4022
02:25:13,240 --> 02:25:15,480
um, based on new information, changes in

4023
02:25:15,480 --> 02:25:17,720
priorities, or changes in the

4024
02:25:17,720 --> 02:25:19,640
community's ideals and values. And

4025
02:25:19,640 --> 02:25:22,120
again, to that end, uh, we understand

4026
02:25:22,120 --> 02:25:24,520
that our role is to ex- execute the

4027
02:25:24,520 --> 02:25:28,400
community's will led by the council.

4028
02:25:28,400 --> 02:25:31,120
Um, we further know that we cannot fully

4029
02:25:31,120 --> 02:25:33,720
guard against the future or what every

4030
02:25:33,720 --> 02:25:35,480
person will do with the tools at their

4031
02:25:35,480 --> 02:25:38,560
disposal. Uh, what we can do is secure

4032
02:25:38,560 --> 02:25:40,720
tools and work with the tools we have to

4033
02:25:40,720 --> 02:25:43,920
maintain the community that the

4034
02:25:43,920 --> 02:25:48,160
residents appreciate, like, value

4035
02:25:48,160 --> 02:25:50,200
love in some cases.

4036
02:25:50,200 --> 02:25:52,960
So, similar to radar technologies that

4037
02:25:52,960 --> 02:25:54,640
was recently just implemented in

4038
02:25:54,640 --> 02:25:57,480
vehicles, Flock cameras were a tool

4039
02:25:57,480 --> 02:25:59,200
acquired based on input from the

4040
02:25:59,200 --> 02:26:01,840
community and have been used to address

4041
02:26:01,840 --> 02:26:04,320
the issues of the community.

4042
02:26:04,320 --> 02:26:06,480
Um they've been used to solve crimes and

4043
02:26:06,480 --> 02:26:09,320
we think probably are used to deter even

4044
02:26:09,320 --> 02:26:11,520
more crimes.

4045
02:26:11,520 --> 02:26:14,440
Um but of course we welcome the

4046
02:26:14,440 --> 02:26:16,360
conversation

4047
02:26:16,360 --> 02:26:19,200
about this technology, about the extent

4048
02:26:19,200 --> 02:26:22,360
of use, about the pros and the cons.

4049
02:26:22,360 --> 02:26:24,480
And so with that I'll turn it over to

4050
02:26:24,480 --> 02:26:42,070
Chief to go through the presentation.

4051
02:26:42,080 --> 02:26:43,520
» So, um

4052
02:26:43,520 --> 02:26:45,880
automated automated

4053
02:26:45,880 --> 02:26:48,120
to be automated license plate readers.

4054
02:26:48,120 --> 02:26:50,040
So, this is going to cover kind of what

4055
02:26:50,040 --> 02:26:53,000
they are and what they are how they work

4056
02:26:53,000 --> 02:27:02,590
and how they're used.

4057
02:27:02,600 --> 02:27:06,150
» You didn't give it back, huh?

4058
02:27:06,160 --> 02:27:11,910
» I I did click it for you though.

4059
02:27:11,920 --> 02:27:14,440
» So, ALPR stands for automated license

4060
02:27:14,440 --> 02:27:16,680
plate readers. The technology lies in

4061
02:27:16,680 --> 02:27:18,560
the software, not necessarily in the

4062
02:27:18,560 --> 02:27:22,240
cameras. The only thing that ALPRs do is

4063
02:27:22,240 --> 02:27:24,640
it'll take a picture, it scans that

4064
02:27:24,640 --> 02:27:26,800
picture for the presence of a vehicle

4065
02:27:26,800 --> 02:27:29,200
and presence of a license plate. It'll

4066
02:27:29,200 --> 02:27:31,680
document features of that it'll

4067
02:27:31,680 --> 02:27:34,480
categorize the vehicle into a category

4068
02:27:34,480 --> 02:27:36,080
so it can be searched and it'll

4069
02:27:36,080 --> 02:27:38,840
translate the license plate to text so

4070
02:27:38,840 --> 02:27:40,480
it can be uh

4071
02:27:40,480 --> 02:27:43,470
easily searched.

4072
02:27:43,480 --> 02:27:46,320
Uh Escalon currently has five ALPR

4073
02:27:46,320 --> 02:27:48,920
cameras. They were installed following a

4074
02:27:48,920 --> 02:27:50,800
critical incident that occurred in

4075
02:27:50,800 --> 02:27:53,160
October of 2022, which was the shooting

4076
02:27:53,160 --> 02:27:59,800
at Family Dollar. It was brought up uh council meeting that the city should

4077
02:27:59,800 --> 02:28:01,800
explore them and look into them. It was

4078
02:28:01,800 --> 02:28:05,040
explored and they were installed in June

4079
02:28:05,040 --> 02:28:08,520
of 2023 and the two on

4080
02:28:08,520 --> 02:28:11,080
Highway 120 Caltrans permitting took a

4081
02:28:11,080 --> 02:28:13,440
lot longer. So those were installed 6

4082
02:28:13,440 --> 02:28:16,950
months later.

4083
02:28:16,960 --> 02:28:20,360
So what is ALPR data? So this is an

4084
02:28:20,360 --> 02:28:22,200
actual read of what an officer would

4085
02:28:22,200 --> 02:28:23,760
get. This is a city truck. This is the

4086
02:28:23,760 --> 02:28:25,720
truck I drive. Uh

4087
02:28:25,720 --> 02:28:27,440
on a hit, what you'll get is the date

4088
02:28:27,440 --> 02:28:29,760
and the time of a read, the image of a

4089
02:28:29,760 --> 02:28:31,960
vehicle, uh

4090
02:28:31,960 --> 02:28:33,720
that it will be categorized so it can be

4091
02:28:33,720 --> 02:28:36,080
searched. So if you search black truck,

4092
02:28:36,080 --> 02:28:37,960
this would pop up.

4093
02:28:37,960 --> 02:28:39,560
Uh and then a zoomed image of the

4094
02:28:39,560 --> 02:28:42,080
license plate. And then And then next to

4095
02:28:42,080 --> 02:28:44,000
the zoomed image of the license plate is

4096
02:28:44,000 --> 02:28:48,080
the license plate translated to text. So

4097
02:28:48,080 --> 02:28:50,080
uh and the location of the camera. The

4098
02:28:50,080 --> 02:28:51,800
first thing that happens as soon as a a

4099
02:28:51,800 --> 02:28:54,360
read is made, it is the license plate is

4100
02:28:54,360 --> 02:28:57,920
checked against a hot list, which uh

4101
02:28:57,920 --> 02:29:00,440
primarily in uh in Escalon, what we use

4102
02:29:00,440 --> 02:29:02,400
is what we have is uh stolen vehicles

4103
02:29:02,400 --> 02:29:04,560
and missing persons. So let's say a

4104
02:29:04,560 --> 02:29:06,120
vehicle comes back stolen, we get an

4105
02:29:06,120 --> 02:29:08,160
alert that it's a stolen vehicle. We'll

4106
02:29:08,160 --> 02:29:09,680
take a look at the hit. The first thing

4107
02:29:09,680 --> 02:29:11,680
we do is look at the license plate and

4108
02:29:11,680 --> 02:29:13,680
then look at the license plate number

4109
02:29:13,680 --> 02:29:16,680
that it read. Uh

4110
02:29:16,680 --> 02:29:18,680
say one out of 10 times,

4111
02:29:18,680 --> 02:29:20,160
it's a false read where it read the

4112
02:29:20,160 --> 02:29:22,200
license plate plate wrong, you just

4113
02:29:22,200 --> 02:29:26,870
ignore it.

4114
02:29:26,880 --> 02:29:29,960
How ALPR data is used. Uh initially, it

4115
02:29:29,960 --> 02:29:31,960
was used to find stolen vehicles.

4116
02:29:31,960 --> 02:29:34,320
They're positioned to capture vehicles

4117
02:29:34,320 --> 02:29:35,960
coming into town.

4118
02:29:35,960 --> 02:29:38,480
Um so we get a hit of a stolen vehicle

4119
02:29:38,480 --> 02:29:40,360
and then we can go to that area, see if

4120
02:29:40,360 --> 02:29:43,800
we can find the stolen vehicle. Uh now

4121
02:29:43,800 --> 02:29:47,280
we use we use them a lot more to uh as

4122
02:29:47,280 --> 02:29:52,630
investigative tools for cases.

4123
02:29:52,640 --> 02:29:54,480
Uh an investigative tool for cases where

4124
02:29:54,480 --> 02:29:57,000
we search through the uh where we can

4125
02:29:57,000 --> 02:30:00,510
search for suspect vehicles.

4126
02:30:00,520 --> 02:30:01,120
Uh

4127
02:30:01,120 --> 02:30:02,200
let's say a

4128
02:30:02,200 --> 02:30:04,480
burglary is committed over in a

4129
02:30:04,480 --> 02:30:06,600
residential neighborhood. There's not

4130
02:30:06,600 --> 02:30:08,280
really any leads. We got video

4131
02:30:08,280 --> 02:30:09,480
surveillance We got rings of video

4132
02:30:09,480 --> 02:30:13,360
surveillance of a person and a vehicle.

4133
02:30:13,360 --> 02:30:15,640
We got no license plate number. It we

4134
02:30:15,640 --> 02:30:18,080
can't identify who the person is. We can

4135
02:30:18,080 --> 02:30:20,080
take that vehicle description and then

4136
02:30:20,080 --> 02:30:22,080
we can run it through Flock to see if we

4137
02:30:22,080 --> 02:30:25,240
can find it coming into town. Uh if

4138
02:30:25,240 --> 02:30:27,200
we're able to possibly identify it,

4139
02:30:27,200 --> 02:30:29,160
that'll give us a license plate number,

4140
02:30:29,160 --> 02:30:30,640
which would give us the registered

4141
02:30:30,640 --> 02:30:33,360
owner. And that does not mean that the

4142
02:30:33,360 --> 02:30:35,800
registered owner is the suspect. It

4143
02:30:35,800 --> 02:30:37,080
doesn't even always mean that the

4144
02:30:37,080 --> 02:30:39,000
registered owner that that vehicle was

4145
02:30:39,000 --> 02:30:40,720
involved in the crime. We still have a

4146
02:30:40,720 --> 02:30:42,880
lot of investigation to do to tie the

4147
02:30:42,880 --> 02:30:45,280
person to the crime. We don't arrest

4148
02:30:45,280 --> 02:30:47,120
registered owners of vehicles because

4149
02:30:47,120 --> 02:30:48,960
their vehicle was identified and

4150
02:30:48,960 --> 02:30:51,280
involved in the crime. Uh

4151
02:30:51,280 --> 02:30:53,320
we use investigative tools.

4152
02:30:53,320 --> 02:30:54,880
We investigate further to determine

4153
02:30:54,880 --> 02:30:59,390
whether or not an actual person was

4154
02:30:59,400 --> 02:31:00,840
identify the person who committed the

4155
02:31:00,840 --> 02:31:01,840
crime.

4156
02:31:01,840 --> 02:31:04,120
And it can also be used as an

4157
02:31:04,120 --> 02:31:06,360
exculpatory evidence.

4158
02:31:06,360 --> 02:31:08,440
There was a great case shortly after we

4159
02:31:08,440 --> 02:31:10,800
first got them.

4160
02:31:10,800 --> 02:31:13,360
There was a guy walking by uh

4161
02:31:13,360 --> 02:31:15,560
walking by the high school.

4162
02:31:15,560 --> 02:31:18,280
There's a gun sitting on the bed of a

4163
02:31:18,280 --> 02:31:19,720
vehicle.

4164
02:31:19,720 --> 02:31:21,400
Just a handgun.

4165
02:31:21,400 --> 02:31:24,240
Plain view. It's in the afternoon.

4166
02:31:24,240 --> 02:31:25,000
Uh

4167
02:31:25,000 --> 02:31:26,480
we get there.

4168
02:31:26,480 --> 02:31:28,680
For sure it's a real gun. Seems like

4169
02:31:28,680 --> 02:31:30,840
it's been sitting there for a while. And

4170
02:31:30,840 --> 02:31:32,320
we go and contact the school. We

4171
02:31:32,320 --> 02:31:34,560
identify who the truck belonged to. We

4172
02:31:34,560 --> 02:31:36,960
identify who the kid was. The gun is

4173
02:31:36,960 --> 02:31:39,000
registered to his father.

4174
02:31:39,000 --> 02:31:40,320
And

4175
02:31:40,320 --> 02:31:42,720
by all indications, it seemed like the

4176
02:31:42,720 --> 02:31:44,760
kid brought the gun to school. He was

4177
02:31:44,760 --> 02:31:47,000
probably showing it off at lunchtime,

4178
02:31:47,000 --> 02:31:52,560
left it on the trunk of left it on the bed of the vehicle.

4179
02:31:52,560 --> 02:31:54,440
He was adamant that, "No, I don't know

4180
02:31:54,440 --> 02:31:55,920
how it got there. I was shooting over

4181
02:31:55,920 --> 02:31:58,520
the weekend on my property, and I don't

4182
02:31:58,520 --> 02:31:59,840
know how it got there. I must have left

4183
02:31:59,840 --> 02:32:02,160
it there." His claim was that he drove

4184
02:32:02,160 --> 02:32:03,480
into town, and it must have been on

4185
02:32:03,480 --> 02:32:05,520
there as he drove into town.

4186
02:32:05,520 --> 02:32:07,080
We're able to run it through the Flock.

4187
02:32:07,080 --> 02:32:08,920
Sure enough, there's the

4188
02:32:08,920 --> 02:32:11,360
image of his vehicle driving into town.

4189
02:32:11,360 --> 02:32:13,280
You can clearly see the gun on the

4190
02:32:13,280 --> 02:32:15,520
tonneau cover.

4191
02:32:15,520 --> 02:32:17,360
If not for the Flock cameras, he

4192
02:32:17,360 --> 02:32:19,280
probably would have been expelled, been

4193
02:32:19,280 --> 02:32:21,040
arrested. This kid's life could have

4194
02:32:21,040 --> 02:32:23,440
been ruined. It was It was completely

4195
02:32:23,440 --> 02:32:25,320
exonerated by the Flock cameras. So,

4196
02:32:25,320 --> 02:32:27,480
they're not just used to incriminate

4197
02:32:27,480 --> 02:32:28,880
people. They can also be used to

4198
02:32:28,880 --> 02:32:30,760
exonerate people and provide exculpatory

4199
02:32:30,760 --> 02:32:32,760
evidence.

4200
02:32:32,760 --> 02:32:35,320
Uh mistakes and misuse.

4201
02:32:35,320 --> 02:32:39,960
Not going to lie, they do happen. So,

4202
02:32:39,960 --> 02:32:45,720
from what I've uh this data, the oldest one that I found on this uh

4203
02:32:45,720 --> 02:32:48,640
that indicated is 2018. Most of them are

4204
02:32:48,640 --> 02:32:53,760
from '23, '24, and '25. So, in the past

4205
02:32:53,760 --> 02:32:55,640
3 to 4 years,

4206
02:32:55,640 --> 02:32:58,000
give or take a couple more, uh

4207
02:32:58,000 --> 02:33:00,320
there've been uh 148 documented

4208
02:33:00,320 --> 02:33:03,560
incidents of mistakes or

4209
02:33:03,560 --> 02:33:05,640
just misuse. There are approximately

4210
02:33:05,640 --> 02:33:08,120
18,000 law enforcement agencies that

4211
02:33:08,120 --> 02:33:10,800
employ over 750,000 law enforcement

4212
02:33:10,800 --> 02:33:11,960
officers.

4213
02:33:11,960 --> 02:33:14,600
Over 5,000 agencies use ALPRs with an

4214
02:33:14,600 --> 02:33:18,800
estimated 120,000 deployed uh from 2008

4215
02:33:18,800 --> 02:33:21,840
uh in the to deployed. From 2008 to uh

4216
02:33:21,840 --> 02:33:24,440
present, 148 documented incidents of

4217
02:33:24,440 --> 02:33:27,000
mistakes or misuse. Most of the errors

4218
02:33:27,000 --> 02:33:29,480
occur with uh

4219
02:33:29,480 --> 02:33:31,400
officers putting vehicles, wanted

4220
02:33:31,400 --> 02:33:34,360
vehicles onto a hot list, and not

4221
02:33:34,360 --> 02:33:36,760
updating it. Uh I've since updated our

4222
02:33:36,760 --> 02:33:38,840
policy to make it to where they can uh

4223
02:33:38,840 --> 02:33:40,920
they have to expire after 4 days, and

4224
02:33:40,920 --> 02:33:42,640
they can renew them, but they have to

4225
02:33:42,640 --> 02:33:44,320
stay on top of it to make sure that

4226
02:33:44,320 --> 02:33:47,560
they're you don't have old lists in hot

4227
02:33:47,560 --> 02:33:48,800
lists.

4228
02:33:48,800 --> 02:33:50,520
The other ones are a lot of

4229
02:33:50,520 --> 02:33:54,120
maliciousness. Mostly officers

4230
02:33:54,120 --> 02:33:57,080
looking up exes, girlfriends, husbands,

4231
02:33:57,080 --> 02:34:00,000
boyfriends, and

4232
02:34:00,000 --> 02:34:02,600
people that they're trying to date. Most

4233
02:34:02,600 --> 02:34:04,200
of the

4234
02:34:04,200 --> 02:34:07,840
all of the misuse and stalking,

4235
02:34:07,840 --> 02:34:09,960
uh the officers have either resigned or

4236
02:34:09,960 --> 02:34:12,440
been fired, and in many of the cases,

4237
02:34:12,440 --> 02:34:15,360
they've been prosecuted. So, it is

4238
02:34:15,360 --> 02:34:17,320
something that

4239
02:34:17,320 --> 02:34:19,440
happens, and when it happens, officers

4240
02:34:19,440 --> 02:34:22,280
are held accountable, and many times

4241
02:34:22,280 --> 02:34:25,200
they're actually prosecuted in court for

4242
02:34:25,200 --> 02:34:27,160
violations. So, there safeguards are

4243
02:34:27,160 --> 02:34:29,040
already in place to prevent that, and

4244
02:34:29,040 --> 02:34:32,150
they are used.

4245
02:34:32,160 --> 02:34:34,200
So, all officers have an individual

4246
02:34:34,200 --> 02:34:36,560
account that tracks searches. For all

4247
02:34:36,560 --> 02:34:38,320
searches, officers must include the

4248
02:34:38,320 --> 02:34:39,840
following information. They have to

4249
02:34:39,840 --> 02:34:41,840
include the offense type, which the

4250
02:34:41,840 --> 02:34:44,160
crime being investigated, a case number

4251
02:34:44,160 --> 02:34:46,200
or an incident number, and then the

4252
02:34:46,200 --> 02:34:47,840
reason for the search. They're looking

4253
02:34:47,840 --> 02:34:49,600
for a suspect vehicle, looking for a

4254
02:34:49,600 --> 02:34:52,080
wit- a victim vehicle, witnesses,

4255
02:34:52,080 --> 02:34:54,080
missing persons.

4256
02:34:54,080 --> 02:34:56,680
They have to indicate why, and

4257
02:34:56,680 --> 02:34:59,000
all it's tracked on it's all tracked,

4258
02:34:59,000 --> 02:35:00,680
and it can be audited. So, if there's

4259
02:35:00,680 --> 02:35:02,760
any question, we can say, "Okay, this

4260
02:35:02,760 --> 02:35:04,680
officer looked up this license plate

4261
02:35:04,680 --> 02:35:06,280
number, or did a search." cuz it's not

4262
02:35:06,280 --> 02:35:07,960
always a license plate number. "This

4263
02:35:07,960 --> 02:35:10,000
officer did a search for this case

4264
02:35:10,000 --> 02:35:11,920
number." We can easily go back and look

4265
02:35:11,920 --> 02:35:14,080
up that incident, or look up that case,

4266
02:35:14,080 --> 02:35:16,280
and make sure that uh

4267
02:35:16,280 --> 02:35:18,880
that was a legit search. And I've

4268
02:35:18,880 --> 02:35:21,160
recently implemented that they also must

4269
02:35:21,160 --> 02:35:24,040
now uh There are times where you get a

4270
02:35:24,040 --> 02:35:26,400
license plate, you run a license plate,

4271
02:35:26,400 --> 02:35:27,640
but it's not the license plate you're

4272
02:35:27,640 --> 02:35:28,617
looking for.

4273
02:35:28,617 --> 02:35:29,960
>> [clears throat]

4274
02:35:29,960 --> 02:35:32,080
>> That now has to be documented in their

4275
02:35:32,080 --> 02:35:34,200
report why they ran every single license

4276
02:35:34,200 --> 02:35:36,280
plate that they run. If they run a li-

4277
02:35:36,280 --> 02:35:37,080
uh

4278
02:35:37,080 --> 02:35:38,960
search for a specific license plate, not

4279
02:35:38,960 --> 02:35:40,320
just uh

4280
02:35:40,320 --> 02:35:43,790
for like make, model, color.

4281
02:35:43,800 --> 02:35:46,840
And as noted before, to prevent outdated

4282
02:35:46,840 --> 02:35:48,360
hot lists, uh

4283
02:35:48,360 --> 02:35:51,000
they can no longer keep have a hot list

4284
02:35:51,000 --> 02:35:54,830
entry valid for more than 4 days.

4285
02:35:54,840 --> 02:35:56,440
For the features of Flock, the data is

4286
02:35:56,440 --> 02:35:59,480
100% owned by uh by us, by the Escalon

4287
02:35:59,480 --> 02:36:01,720
Police Department or City of Escalon. We

4288
02:36:01,720 --> 02:36:03,920
choose who we share it with, who has

4289
02:36:03,920 --> 02:36:06,560
access to that. Uh as of right now, we

4290
02:36:06,560 --> 02:36:07,960
share with multiple other law

4291
02:36:07,960 --> 02:36:11,000
enforcement agencies, and that's it.

4292
02:36:11,000 --> 02:36:14,520
Private customers never have access to

4293
02:36:14,520 --> 02:36:18,040
uh Flock uh governmental Flock data. So,

4294
02:36:18,040 --> 02:36:20,960
even if a private entity wanted to

4295
02:36:20,960 --> 02:36:23,160
access or wanted to share with us, it

4296
02:36:23,160 --> 02:36:24,320
wouldn't even be able to send a share

4297
02:36:24,320 --> 02:36:26,280
request.

4298
02:36:26,280 --> 02:36:27,920
Flock automatically deletes and

4299
02:36:27,920 --> 02:36:30,560
overwrites data after 30 days. So, after

4300
02:36:30,560 --> 02:36:32,800
30 days, they delete it, and it's not

4301
02:36:32,800 --> 02:36:34,560
only deleted, it's immediately written

4302
02:36:34,560 --> 02:36:37,560
over, so that data cannot be recovered.

4303
02:36:37,560 --> 02:36:40,120
And there are search filters as we went

4304
02:36:40,120 --> 02:36:41,640
over before that require the reason it

4305
02:36:41,640 --> 02:36:44,120
for the access with the permanent audit

4306
02:36:44,120 --> 02:36:47,880
log that we can go back and track.

4307
02:36:47,880 --> 02:36:49,840
So, fact versus myth.

4308
02:36:49,840 --> 02:36:52,320
LPRs can track people and show police

4309
02:36:52,320 --> 02:36:55,240
everywhere they go.

4310
02:36:55,240 --> 02:36:57,760
Myth, the fact is LPRs take a

4311
02:36:57,760 --> 02:36:59,400
point-in-time image of a vehicle

4312
02:36:59,400 --> 02:37:01,480
traveling on a public roadway, which are

4313
02:37:01,480 --> 02:37:03,840
deleted after 30 days. And you've

4314
02:37:03,840 --> 02:37:05,640
already seen exactly what a hit would

4315
02:37:05,640 --> 02:37:08,760
look like. Then myth, LPRs violate the

4316
02:37:08,760 --> 02:37:10,960
Fourth Amendment. Appellate and district

4317
02:37:10,960 --> 02:37:13,240
courts in at least 14 states, including

4318
02:37:13,240 --> 02:37:15,760
the 9th Circuit, which is the most

4319
02:37:15,760 --> 02:37:18,000
liberal, and the 11th Circuit, which is

4320
02:37:18,000 --> 02:37:20,400
the most conservative, have upheld using

4321
02:37:20,400 --> 02:37:22,960
evidence from LPRs as constitutional

4322
02:37:22,960 --> 02:37:26,320
without requiring a warrant.

4323
02:37:26,320 --> 02:37:28,560
Myth, Flock sells customer data,

4324
02:37:28,560 --> 02:37:30,200
compiling all of it into a national

4325
02:37:30,200 --> 02:37:31,520
database.

4326
02:37:31,520 --> 02:37:35,160
Uh the fact is, we own 100% of our data,

4327
02:37:35,160 --> 02:37:37,480
and Flock does not sell it. And then we

4328
02:37:37,480 --> 02:37:40,240
decide what agencies we want to share it

4329
02:37:40,240 --> 02:37:42,080
with, and there are laws that also

4330
02:37:42,080 --> 02:37:44,560
govern that. In the state of California,

4331
02:37:44,560 --> 02:37:47,240
we are prohibited from sharing our data

4332
02:37:47,240 --> 02:37:51,120
with federal agencies, other states, and

4333
02:37:51,120 --> 02:37:53,200
unlawful to be used for any type of

4334
02:37:53,200 --> 02:37:55,339
reproductive right stuff.

4335
02:37:55,339 --> 02:37:55,520
>> [snorts]

4336
02:37:55,520 --> 02:37:58,400
>> Uh myth, Flock LPRs use facial

4337
02:37:58,400 --> 02:38:00,760
recognition. Uh they do not use facial

4338
02:38:00,760 --> 02:38:02,600
recognition, and the system cannot be

4339
02:38:02,600 --> 02:38:03,680
used to search for human

4340
02:38:03,680 --> 02:38:07,190
characteristics.

4341
02:38:07,200 --> 02:38:09,560
And then the myth is LPRs don't have an

4342
02:38:09,560 --> 02:38:12,320
impact on crime. So, San Diego Mayor

4343
02:38:12,320 --> 02:38:15,240
Todd Gloria attributed a 20% decline in

4344
02:38:15,240 --> 02:38:17,920
auto theft to Flock. San Francisco Mayor

4345
02:38:17,920 --> 02:38:20,680
Daniel Lorey credited Flock LPRs for the

4346
02:38:20,680 --> 02:38:23,000
41% decrease in auto theft while

4347
02:38:23,000 --> 02:38:25,080
increasing arrests for auto theft cases

4348
02:38:25,080 --> 02:38:26,840
by 46%.

4349
02:38:26,840 --> 02:38:28,600
Flock has been used to solve 30% of

4350
02:38:28,600 --> 02:38:31,440
homicides in Oakland and San Diego. So,

4351
02:38:31,440 --> 02:38:34,480
after reading this, I decided I'mma do a

4352
02:38:34,480 --> 02:38:37,760
quick search of our stats. So, the chart

4353
02:38:37,760 --> 02:38:42,080
is Echelon stats. So, a 10851 is the uh

4354
02:38:42,080 --> 02:38:44,400
offense code for a stolen vehicle.

4355
02:38:44,400 --> 02:38:48,680
In 2020, we had 21 cases with 10851 uh

4356
02:38:48,680 --> 02:38:50,600
listed as an offense.

4357
02:38:50,600 --> 02:38:54,720
And 21, we had 16, then 10, then 14, 11,

4358
02:38:54,720 --> 02:38:56,720
5, and 3, and so on. And then in the

4359
02:38:56,720 --> 02:38:59,640
same year, it I compared the arrests for

4360
02:38:59,640 --> 02:39:03,400
10851 or 496D, which 496D is a penal

4361
02:39:03,400 --> 02:39:05,560
code for possession of stolen vehicle.

4362
02:39:05,560 --> 02:39:06,920
If you can't prove a person stole a

4363
02:39:06,920 --> 02:39:08,080
vehicle, you would charge them with a

4364
02:39:08,080 --> 02:39:09,800
496D.

4365
02:39:09,800 --> 02:39:10,920
So,

4366
02:39:10,920 --> 02:39:13,560
in 2020, we had four arrests, then six

4367
02:39:13,560 --> 02:39:16,440
arrests, then five arrests, and then uh

4368
02:39:16,440 --> 02:39:18,400
the amount of cases with arrests because

4369
02:39:18,400 --> 02:39:20,960
some Some cases you have multiple uh

4370
02:39:20,960 --> 02:39:23,120
multiple arrests per case.

4371
02:39:23,120 --> 02:39:27,520
So, if you look, uh 10-851 reports are

4372
02:39:27,520 --> 02:39:29,760
kind of up there, kind of declining, but

4373
02:39:29,760 --> 02:39:32,280
then kind of drops, then goes up, then

4374
02:39:32,280 --> 02:39:36,920
goes down. In 2024, we had 11 uh 10-851

4375
02:39:36,920 --> 02:39:38,160
reports

4376
02:39:38,160 --> 02:39:40,560
or 11 stolen vehicle reports,

4377
02:39:40,560 --> 02:39:44,960
uh 15 people arrested for theft vehicle

4378
02:39:44,960 --> 02:39:47,640
theft, and then out of 13 cases, and

4379
02:39:47,640 --> 02:39:49,560
that was the first year or full year we

4380
02:39:49,560 --> 02:39:51,720
had uh Flock cameras.

4381
02:39:51,720 --> 02:39:53,760
were installed in 2003,

4382
02:39:53,760 --> 02:39:56,400
the following year we got in a spike in

4383
02:39:56,400 --> 02:39:59,360
arrests, and then the following year our

4384
02:39:59,360 --> 02:40:01,440
10-851 or our vehicle theft reports have

4385
02:40:01,440 --> 02:40:03,640
dropped precipitously along with our

4386
02:40:03,640 --> 02:40:06,400
arrests. So, there was a huge spike, and

4387
02:40:06,400 --> 02:40:08,240
the word got around, and [snorts] we're

4388
02:40:08,240 --> 02:40:10,000
not getting hit with uh vehicle theft

4389
02:40:10,000 --> 02:40:10,960
like

4390
02:40:10,960 --> 02:40:13,760
we used to be. So, there is

4391
02:40:13,760 --> 02:40:15,760
quantifiable data that after Flock

4392
02:40:15,760 --> 02:40:17,560
cameras are installed, you do have an

4393
02:40:17,560 --> 02:40:20,440
increase in vehicle theft arrests, and

4394
02:40:20,440 --> 02:40:23,560
we have also seen that a drop in vehicle

4395
02:40:23,560 --> 02:40:25,800
theft.

4396
02:40:25,800 --> 02:40:28,240
Then data protection. So, Flock uses

4397
02:40:28,240 --> 02:40:29,760
state-of-the-art framework with

4398
02:40:29,760 --> 02:40:31,560
end-to-end encryption and uses the same

4399
02:40:31,560 --> 02:40:34,600
level of protection of DoD servers.

4400
02:40:34,600 --> 02:40:36,680
Uh They paid a top penetrating

4401
02:40:36,680 --> 02:40:38,960
penetration testing firm to attempt to

4402
02:40:38,960 --> 02:40:41,440
hack their system, which it failed.

4403
02:40:41,440 --> 02:40:43,520
Employers It also employs a hacker

4404
02:40:43,520 --> 02:40:45,120
bounty program where people are

4405
02:40:45,120 --> 02:40:47,280
encouraged to try to find potential

4406
02:40:47,280 --> 02:40:49,080
exploits with their system. They bring

4407
02:40:49,080 --> 02:40:51,360
those exploits to Flock's attention, and

4408
02:40:51,360 --> 02:40:53,720
they'll actually pay them uh for that

4409
02:40:53,720 --> 02:40:55,920
information rather so they can fix it

4410
02:40:55,920 --> 02:40:57,680
rather than have the information have

4411
02:40:57,680 --> 02:41:03,950
somebody get in and leak

4412
02:41:03,960 --> 02:41:05,946
Questions?

4413
02:41:05,946 --> 02:41:06,760
>> [clears throat]

4414
02:41:06,760 --> 02:41:08,600
>> Well, Chief, this is kind of where I'm

4415
02:41:08,600 --> 02:41:10,560
coming from and I think I've already

4416
02:41:10,560 --> 02:41:12,600
told you before

4417
02:41:12,600 --> 02:41:14,520
Um, and I want to Sorry.

4418
02:41:14,520 --> 02:41:15,880
>> You running? Okay.

4419
02:41:15,880 --> 02:41:17,081
>> Uh

4420
02:41:17,081 --> 02:41:17,736
>> [clears throat]

4421
02:41:17,736 --> 02:41:18,080
[snorts]

4422
02:41:18,080 --> 02:41:19,840
>> I do think that there's some validities

4423
02:41:19,840 --> 02:41:21,480
to some to some of these technologies,

4424
02:41:21,480 --> 02:41:22,600
but I do think there needs to be

4425
02:41:22,600 --> 02:41:24,440
guardrails on them.

4426
02:41:24,440 --> 02:41:25,800
Uh

4427
02:41:25,800 --> 02:41:27,560
That being said

4428
02:41:27,560 --> 02:41:28,240
you [clears throat] know, there needs to

4429
02:41:28,240 --> 02:41:29,800
be a citizen In my opinion, there needs

4430
02:41:29,800 --> 02:41:31,520
to be a citizen oversight committee on

4431
02:41:31,520 --> 02:41:32,560
this

4432
02:41:32,560 --> 02:41:34,600
that has an auditing process to make

4433
02:41:34,600 --> 02:41:36,760
sure that's really what's going on. Do I

4434
02:41:36,760 --> 02:41:38,520
trust our police? Absolutely. I think

4435
02:41:38,520 --> 02:41:40,360
you guys do a great job. But at some

4436
02:41:40,360 --> 02:41:41,640
point you're not going to be there if

4437
02:41:41,640 --> 02:41:44,520
you retire or whatever. Heaven forbid

4438
02:41:44,520 --> 02:41:46,920
it's an accident or something, right?

4439
02:41:46,920 --> 02:41:48,520
So, we don't [clears throat]

4440
02:41:48,520 --> 02:41:50,640
I don't want to see these things

4441
02:41:50,640 --> 02:41:52,520
encroaching into our community any more

4442
02:41:52,520 --> 02:41:54,240
than they already are on the outside of

4443
02:41:54,240 --> 02:41:57,480
town. Okay, but I I don't think we need

4444
02:41:57,480 --> 02:42:00,400
to be having 1984 with cameras on every

4445
02:42:00,400 --> 02:42:03,560
corner. You know what I'm saying? So

4446
02:42:03,560 --> 02:42:05,360
you know, there's there's what we call a

4447
02:42:05,360 --> 02:42:07,400
price for freedom and freedom's not

4448
02:42:07,400 --> 02:42:09,720
free. So, you do have to take some

4449
02:42:09,720 --> 02:42:12,560
degree of risk to be a free individual,

4450
02:42:12,560 --> 02:42:14,560
right? So

4451
02:42:14,560 --> 02:42:17,040
my [snorts] my feeling is that um

4452
02:42:17,040 --> 02:42:19,520
because [clears throat] the uh Chat Tree

4453
02:42:19,520 --> 02:42:21,000
um

4454
02:42:21,000 --> 02:42:24,760
uh Supreme Court decision on geofencing

4455
02:42:24,760 --> 02:42:25,840
uh

4456
02:42:25,840 --> 02:42:27,480
showing that it's a fourth vi- fourth

4457
02:42:27,480 --> 02:42:29,160
amendment violation

4458
02:42:29,160 --> 02:42:31,880
uh my concern is that this is going to

4459
02:42:31,880 --> 02:42:34,200
go to the Supreme Court and be held to

4460
02:42:34,200 --> 02:42:37,720
the same same situation because the

4461
02:42:37,720 --> 02:42:40,640
nature of the the way that they won that

4462
02:42:40,640 --> 02:42:42,040
lawsuit.

4463
02:42:42,040 --> 02:42:44,920
That being said, in the meantime

4464
02:42:44,920 --> 02:42:48,320
I reason I brought it here was because I

4465
02:42:48,320 --> 02:42:50,000
want to make [clears throat] sure

4466
02:42:50,000 --> 02:42:52,320
that there's oversight that as a

4467
02:42:52,320 --> 02:42:53,880
community we're not allowing it to

4468
02:42:53,880 --> 02:42:55,880
encroach any further.

4469
02:42:55,880 --> 02:42:57,360
Uh that [clears throat]

4470
02:42:57,360 --> 02:42:59,560
the software updates

4471
02:42:59,560 --> 02:43:01,400
uh as much as I know you're saying that

4472
02:43:01,400 --> 02:43:03,160
they're just license plate readers,

4473
02:43:03,160 --> 02:43:05,000
which I get.

4474
02:43:05,000 --> 02:43:06,160
Um [clears throat] I'm sure you're aware

4475
02:43:06,160 --> 02:43:08,080
that there are softwares

4476
02:43:08,080 --> 02:43:12,280
uh that do use facial recognition, auto

4477
02:43:12,280 --> 02:43:15,520
audio, all that stuff can be uplinked.

4478
02:43:15,520 --> 02:43:17,720
Yeah, they already do it in China. It's

4479
02:43:17,720 --> 02:43:20,920
a technology is available. So, we need

4480
02:43:20,920 --> 02:43:22,188
to make sure

4481
02:43:22,188 --> 02:43:22,200
>> [clears throat]

4482
02:43:22,200 --> 02:43:23,520
>> that

4483
02:43:23,520 --> 02:43:26,080
if you're just using it for that,

4484
02:43:26,080 --> 02:43:28,320
I personally have no problem with it.

4485
02:43:28,320 --> 02:43:31,160
But, if you're using it uh

4486
02:43:31,160 --> 02:43:33,480
in a way that Big Brother's coming in on

4487
02:43:33,480 --> 02:43:35,800
you, or the state, or the nation

4488
02:43:35,800 --> 02:43:38,640
national level, they're able to

4489
02:43:38,640 --> 02:43:41,880
go through your information and and and

4490
02:43:41,880 --> 02:43:43,960
then have pre-crime,

4491
02:43:43,960 --> 02:43:46,000
that that's a concern for me as far as

4492
02:43:46,000 --> 02:43:47,440
the Fourth Amendment process is

4493
02:43:47,440 --> 02:43:50,320
concerned. So,

4494
02:43:50,320 --> 02:43:54,960
my personal feeling is we need to have

4495
02:43:54,960 --> 02:43:58,000
a oversight committee. We need to have

4496
02:43:58,000 --> 02:44:00,880
uh hopefully language that would say

4497
02:44:00,880 --> 02:44:02,160
we're not going to encroach into the

4498
02:44:02,160 --> 02:44:05,120
city any further, and that software

4499
02:44:05,120 --> 02:44:07,960
updates would be limited to license

4500
02:44:07,960 --> 02:44:11,160
plate readers with no other technology

4501
02:44:11,160 --> 02:44:13,400
upgraded into it.

4502
02:44:13,400 --> 02:44:15,600
That's kind of where I'm coming from.

4503
02:44:15,600 --> 02:44:18,480
Um I don't know how everyone else feels.

4504
02:44:18,480 --> 02:44:21,120
>> Um since I I guess co-sponsored bringing

4505
02:44:21,120 --> 02:44:22,560
this up here,

4506
02:44:22,560 --> 02:44:23,360
um

4507
02:44:23,360 --> 02:44:25,000
first you said something in your

4508
02:44:25,000 --> 02:44:26,920
presentation I want to ask specifically,

4509
02:44:26,920 --> 02:44:28,080
what agencies are we sharing this

4510
02:44:28,080 --> 02:44:29,160
information with?

4511
02:44:29,160 --> 02:44:29,720
>> Uh

4512
02:44:29,720 --> 02:44:31,640
I'd have to look up, but there are

4513
02:44:31,640 --> 02:44:32,600
several agencies.

4514
02:44:32,600 --> 02:44:34,640
>> I I mean, is is it beyond

4515
02:44:34,640 --> 02:44:37,520
county, local law enforcement, PDs?

4516
02:44:37,520 --> 02:44:37,800
>> It is state.

4517
02:44:37,800 --> 02:44:40,160
>> Are we sharing it with the federal government, I guess it is?

4518
02:44:40,160 --> 02:44:43,040
>> No. So, there are laws that prohibit uh

4519
02:44:43,040 --> 02:44:45,280
California entities from sharing ALPR

4520
02:44:45,280 --> 02:44:47,120
data with um

4521
02:44:47,120 --> 02:44:50,280
with federal agencies, or with uh

4522
02:44:50,280 --> 02:44:52,400
non-California agencies. So, we couldn't

4523
02:44:52,400 --> 02:44:54,400
even share with Nevada. We could only

4524
02:44:54,400 --> 02:44:57,880
share interstate, and we see everybody

4525
02:44:57,880 --> 02:45:00,320
that we share with, and we see everybody

4526
02:45:00,320 --> 02:45:01,920
who uh

4527
02:45:01,920 --> 02:45:05,080
can share with us, and we can

4528
02:45:05,080 --> 02:45:07,240
remove people at will, and they can

4529
02:45:07,240 --> 02:45:07,760
remove us.

4530
02:45:07,760 --> 02:45:09,200
>> Found a California law that I actually

4531
02:45:09,200 --> 02:45:12,160
appreciate. Uh that's great. Um so,

4532
02:45:12,160 --> 02:45:14,360
here's my my take on these things, and

4533
02:45:14,360 --> 02:45:15,320
uh obviously, you know, when they went

4534
02:45:15,320 --> 02:45:16,680
up around town, you know, at first, you

4535
02:45:16,680 --> 02:45:18,000
know, really they kind of went up with,

4536
02:45:18,000 --> 02:45:20,400
you know, not many people noticing, and

4537
02:45:20,400 --> 02:45:21,760
they recently have been noticed, and

4538
02:45:21,760 --> 02:45:23,200
we've been getting a lot of uh

4539
02:45:23,200 --> 02:45:24,800
conversations from the community about

4540
02:45:24,800 --> 02:45:26,800
it. Um my experience goes a little

4541
02:45:26,800 --> 02:45:28,120
further than that because of what I do

4542
02:45:28,120 --> 02:45:31,080
for a living, um I can actually do a

4543
02:45:31,080 --> 02:45:33,680
ALPR search on a vehicle based on its

4544
02:45:33,680 --> 02:45:35,760
license plate number, uh VIN number,

4545
02:45:35,760 --> 02:45:38,400
etc. And I have seen photos of vehicles

4546
02:45:38,400 --> 02:45:40,640
sitting in their driveway, uh and not

4547
02:45:40,640 --> 02:45:43,240
one, but seven or eight photos where the

4548
02:45:43,240 --> 02:45:45,280
car has been shot in its own driveway

4549
02:45:45,280 --> 02:45:47,560
multiple times by a police car driving

4550
02:45:47,560 --> 02:45:48,960
by. Uh

4551
02:45:48,960 --> 02:45:50,920
I know that we don't have those on our

4552
02:45:50,920 --> 02:45:52,560
vehicles, uh

4553
02:45:52,560 --> 02:45:54,120
and part of the reason, you know, why I

4554
02:45:54,120 --> 02:45:55,200
am, you know, on board with bringing

4555
02:45:55,200 --> 02:45:56,800
this agenda item uh forward for us to

4556
02:45:56,800 --> 02:45:58,320
have this discussion, is that I want to

4557
02:45:58,320 --> 02:45:59,680
be sure that we don't ever get there.

4558
02:45:59,680 --> 02:46:00,800
That's not something that I think should

4559
02:46:00,800 --> 02:46:02,960
be happening, and that I I 100% believe

4560
02:46:02,960 --> 02:46:04,520
should be a Fourth Amendment violation.

4561
02:46:04,520 --> 02:46:06,240
You are looking in someone's property at

4562
02:46:06,240 --> 02:46:08,840
their vehicle. Uh I absolutely do not

4563
02:46:08,840 --> 02:46:10,320
support that for any law enforcement

4564
02:46:10,320 --> 02:46:11,960
agency to be doing.

4565
02:46:11,960 --> 02:46:13,120
They're doing it looking for stolen

4566
02:46:13,120 --> 02:46:14,240
vehicles.

4567
02:46:14,240 --> 02:46:14,840
Uh

4568
02:46:14,840 --> 02:46:15,160
>> Go ahead.

4569
02:46:15,160 --> 02:46:17,680
>> If I can clarify, so I think you're you

4570
02:46:17,680 --> 02:46:19,640
probably use Vigilant.

4571
02:46:19,640 --> 02:46:21,200
>> Uh I don't know what company it is that

4572
02:46:21,200 --> 02:46:23,040
we I requested through uh my

4573
02:46:23,040 --> 02:46:25,160
>> Originally, ALPR was um

4574
02:46:25,160 --> 02:46:28,000
Vigilant was the big pioneer in ALPR

4575
02:46:28,000 --> 02:46:30,000
technology, and their primary thing

4576
02:46:30,000 --> 02:46:31,840
wasn't law enforcement, it was asset

4577
02:46:31,840 --> 02:46:34,280
recovery. And so, they would pay private

4578
02:46:34,280 --> 02:46:36,680
people, and I think they still do, to

4579
02:46:36,680 --> 02:46:39,400
put LPRs on their vehicles, just drive

4580
02:46:39,400 --> 02:46:40,920
around neighborhoods, drive around

4581
02:46:40,920 --> 02:46:43,400
parking lots, collect data. So, a lot of

4582
02:46:43,400 --> 02:46:45,480
that data you're seeing is not collected

4583
02:46:45,480 --> 02:46:47,360
by police officers, it's collected by

4584
02:46:47,360 --> 02:46:50,520
private citizens that put the data that

4585
02:46:50,520 --> 02:46:52,560
put LPRs on their cameras, and it's

4586
02:46:52,560 --> 02:46:54,480
collected specifically for commercial

4587
02:46:54,480 --> 02:46:54,880
purposes.

4588
02:46:54,880 --> 02:46:56,240
>> Well, and I I

4589
02:46:56,240 --> 02:46:59,360
definitely I know about that. I also

4590
02:46:59,360 --> 02:47:01,000
100% can confirm these are law

4591
02:47:01,000 --> 02:47:02,360
enforcement vehicles. You can tell by

4592
02:47:02,360 --> 02:47:05,520
the you know what you're seeing from the photo as it's taking it.

4593
02:47:05,520 --> 02:47:07,400
Uh that it's definitely a police car.

4594
02:47:07,400 --> 02:47:09,640
Flashing lights and all in some cases.

4595
02:47:09,640 --> 02:47:11,120
Um you know, that that being said, you

4596
02:47:11,120 --> 02:47:12,440
know, what what we use it for as an

4597
02:47:12,440 --> 02:47:15,200
insurer is uh to verify damages. You

4598
02:47:15,200 --> 02:47:16,360
know, we see you know the damage that

4599
02:47:16,360 --> 02:47:17,760
doesn't quite look like it you know

4600
02:47:17,760 --> 02:47:19,800
belongs to the claim that's been filed.

4601
02:47:19,800 --> 02:47:22,040
Um we do these scans and and we look to

4602
02:47:22,040 --> 02:47:23,920
see anytime that this vehicle's been hit

4603
02:47:23,920 --> 02:47:27,360
previously on uh in ALPR, uh if that

4604
02:47:27,360 --> 02:47:29,200
damage was existing prior to the loss

4605
02:47:29,200 --> 02:47:30,880
date is essentially what we you know you

4606
02:47:30,880 --> 02:47:32,720
utilize it for. That's a private company

4607
02:47:32,720 --> 02:47:34,760
that is utilizing this information. So,

4608
02:47:34,760 --> 02:47:37,080
my my you know, view of this, and like I

4609
02:47:37,080 --> 02:47:39,280
said, can confirm 100% these are law

4610
02:47:39,280 --> 02:47:41,320
enforcement vehicles. Um I have ridden

4611
02:47:41,320 --> 02:47:42,920
in a Modesto police car uh on a

4612
02:47:42,920 --> 02:47:45,480
ride-along, and you know, done uh these

4613
02:47:45,480 --> 02:47:47,320
searches uh as we were driving around

4614
02:47:47,320 --> 02:47:49,640
looking for stolen cars for a a shift.

4615
02:47:49,640 --> 02:47:51,880
Um so, I think that you know, that

4616
02:47:51,880 --> 02:47:53,000
specifically, you know, when we're

4617
02:47:53,000 --> 02:47:54,320
talking about you know, people's

4618
02:47:54,320 --> 02:47:55,920
property that we were we're now photoing

4619
02:47:55,920 --> 02:47:57,080
you know, vehicles sitting inside their

4620
02:47:57,080 --> 02:47:59,440
driveways, uh you know, that's a stretch

4621
02:47:59,440 --> 02:48:01,280
way too far. You know, that I I do think

4622
02:48:01,280 --> 02:48:02,720
that at some point that's going to end

4623
02:48:02,720 --> 02:48:04,560
up uh going to the Supreme Court, and

4624
02:48:04,560 --> 02:48:05,400
they're going to go, "No, that

4625
02:48:05,400 --> 02:48:06,480
definitely is a fourth amendment

4626
02:48:06,480 --> 02:48:08,480
violation." That said, these five

4627
02:48:08,480 --> 02:48:10,040
cameras around town

4628
02:48:10,040 --> 02:48:12,560
for the longest time, um I have

4629
02:48:12,560 --> 02:48:14,200
children. They're all older at this

4630
02:48:14,200 --> 02:48:16,400
point. My youngest is 15, and my oldest

4631
02:48:16,400 --> 02:48:18,520
is 20. When I started having kids, one

4632
02:48:18,520 --> 02:48:20,000
of my very first thoughts in this town

4633
02:48:20,000 --> 02:48:21,640
with five exits into five different

4634
02:48:21,640 --> 02:48:23,240
jurisdictions is how easy it would be

4635
02:48:23,240 --> 02:48:25,160
for someone to kidnap my child and leave

4636
02:48:25,160 --> 02:48:27,560
this town, and we have two officers that

4637
02:48:27,560 --> 02:48:30,400
we may be able to possibly catch them

4638
02:48:30,400 --> 02:48:31,360
with.

4639
02:48:31,360 --> 02:48:33,440
Um so, the idea of having you know, the

4640
02:48:33,440 --> 02:48:35,520
five cameras on you know, the five

4641
02:48:35,520 --> 02:48:37,560
corners of town makes perfect sense to

4642
02:48:37,560 --> 02:48:39,360
me. You know, in the instance we had

4643
02:48:39,360 --> 02:48:41,360
something like the Family Dollar

4644
02:48:41,360 --> 02:48:44,600
shooting, uh a child being abducted, um

4645
02:48:44,600 --> 02:48:46,840
you know, there's a litany of reasons

4646
02:48:46,840 --> 02:48:48,680
that they can come in very, very handy

4647
02:48:48,680 --> 02:48:51,520
for us with those five cameras. Much

4648
02:48:51,520 --> 02:48:53,760
like the mayor, I also recognize that

4649
02:48:53,760 --> 02:48:55,440
China has, you know, gone so far as that

4650
02:48:55,440 --> 02:48:56,520
if you drop a piece of trash on the

4651
02:48:56,520 --> 02:48:58,560
ground, you can't use your ATM card for

4652
02:48:58,560 --> 02:49:00,480
the day. That sort of thing and it's all

4653
02:49:00,480 --> 02:49:01,560
done through, you know, facial

4654
02:49:01,560 --> 02:49:05,480
recognition. We want to be sure that stuff doesn't, you know, come into

4655
02:49:05,480 --> 02:49:08,120
our and penetrate our community without

4656
02:49:08,120 --> 02:49:09,600
our knowledge, without us ever knowing

4657
02:49:09,600 --> 02:49:13,240
that it's happening. You know, when that stuff, you know, does come forward,

4658
02:49:13,240 --> 02:49:14,680
you know, if we do want to you know,

4659
02:49:14,680 --> 02:49:16,640
move the needle and go for, you know, a

4660
02:49:16,640 --> 02:49:18,040
little higher level of surveillance than

4661
02:49:18,040 --> 02:49:19,560
what we currently have, I just want to

4662
02:49:19,560 --> 02:49:20,760
be sure it either comes between, you

4663
02:49:20,760 --> 02:49:21,960
know, five elected officials that

4664
02:49:21,960 --> 02:49:23,920
they're members of this community or is

4665
02:49:23,920 --> 02:49:25,240
put out to, you know, the rest of the

4666
02:49:25,240 --> 02:49:26,400
community where they have, you know, the

4667
02:49:26,400 --> 02:49:28,080
chance to come in here, stand at that

4668
02:49:28,080 --> 02:49:29,640
podium and say, "Hey, I absolutely do

4669
02:49:29,640 --> 02:49:31,160
not want a camera on Main Street where

4670
02:49:31,160 --> 02:49:33,280
every time I cross it with my dog, you

4671
02:49:33,280 --> 02:49:34,800
guys are watching me."

4672
02:49:34,800 --> 02:49:36,120
You know, so that's, you know, kind of

4673
02:49:36,120 --> 02:49:37,720
my take on this. You know, it's not that

4674
02:49:37,720 --> 02:49:38,720
I have an issue with, you know, the

4675
02:49:38,720 --> 02:49:41,160
system as a whole. Good to hear that we

4676
02:49:41,160 --> 02:49:43,800
are the owners of of that data.

4677
02:49:43,800 --> 02:49:46,320
I appreciate that clarification.

4678
02:49:46,320 --> 02:49:48,720
We also pushed this item forward and

4679
02:49:48,720 --> 02:49:49,600
said, "Hey, you know, we want to get

4680
02:49:49,600 --> 02:49:50,880
this on the agenda sooner rather than

4681
02:49:50,880 --> 02:49:52,160
later because of all the discussion

4682
02:49:52,160 --> 02:49:54,080
going on in the community and we wanted

4683
02:49:54,080 --> 02:49:55,240
to, you know, be accountable to the

4684
02:49:55,240 --> 02:49:56,800
community for what it is that we had,

4685
02:49:56,800 --> 02:49:58,640
you know, going on already and have you

4686
02:49:58,640 --> 02:50:00,080
sit here and give this explanation to

4687
02:50:00,080 --> 02:50:01,720
everybody, you know, and I every time

4688
02:50:01,720 --> 02:50:02,560
someone asked me, you know, this

4689
02:50:02,560 --> 02:50:03,480
question, I'm going to say, "Hey, go

4690
02:50:03,480 --> 02:50:04,560
look, you know,

4691
02:50:04,560 --> 02:50:07,040
9:40 at, you [laughter] know, at

4692
02:50:07,040 --> 02:50:09,040
Monday's meeting and and uh uh you know,

4693
02:50:09,040 --> 02:50:11,040
go take a look what what Chief has to

4694
02:50:11,040 --> 02:50:13,720
say. You know, he's obviously not lying

4695
02:50:13,720 --> 02:50:15,200
and he's telling us exactly what it is

4696
02:50:15,200 --> 02:50:17,160
that we're using them for.

4697
02:50:17,160 --> 02:50:19,160
And and I think that, like I said, the

4698
02:50:19,160 --> 02:50:20,560
five that we have, I think that they

4699
02:50:20,560 --> 02:50:22,080
serve a very good purpose and I will

4700
02:50:22,080 --> 02:50:23,720
tell you I've had,

4701
02:50:23,720 --> 02:50:24,880
out of all the conversations that I've

4702
02:50:24,880 --> 02:50:26,160
had, I've had three specifically that

4703
02:50:26,160 --> 02:50:28,600
came at me as, "Why are you allowing

4704
02:50:28,600 --> 02:50:30,920
this? You are not this kind of guy." And

4705
02:50:30,920 --> 02:50:32,280
by the time the conversation was over,

4706
02:50:32,280 --> 02:50:33,720
they went, "Okay, it actually makes a

4707
02:50:33,720 --> 02:50:35,520
lot of sense for our town." You know, as

4708
02:50:35,520 --> 02:50:39,600
long as it's, you know, parameters, parameters. So, more or

4709
02:50:39,600 --> 02:50:41,440
less, the reason that, you know, I I got

4710
02:50:41,440 --> 02:50:42,640
on board with bringing this forward is

4711
02:50:42,640 --> 02:50:44,000
just so that we can put guardrails in to

4712
02:50:44,000 --> 02:50:46,440
be sure that should the five of us not

4713
02:50:46,440 --> 02:50:48,080
be here any longer, you not be here any

4714
02:50:48,080 --> 02:50:50,360
longer, none of the staff still existing

4715
02:50:50,360 --> 02:50:51,840
here, uh but we're still living in this

4716
02:50:51,840 --> 02:50:53,840
community, that we still get a chance to

4717
02:50:53,840 --> 02:50:55,480
walk up that podium ourselves and say,

4718
02:50:55,480 --> 02:50:57,560
"Hey, no, we don't want that." You know,

4719
02:50:57,560 --> 02:50:59,440
for whatever the reason is, or no, this

4720
02:50:59,440 --> 02:51:00,640
is a good thing like the vibe that we

4721
02:51:00,640 --> 02:51:03,560
currently have. So, that's uh that's my

4722
02:51:03,560 --> 02:51:05,120
spiel on it. Uh oh,

4723
02:51:05,120 --> 02:51:06,640
>> Cuz I I just had one more thing I wanted

4724
02:51:06,640 --> 02:51:07,880
to add and then I'll ask everyone,

4725
02:51:07,880 --> 02:51:11,800
sorry. Uh because there are instances

4726
02:51:11,800 --> 02:51:14,920
where people have been jailed for for

4727
02:51:14,920 --> 02:51:17,360
over LPRs that are aired.

4728
02:51:17,360 --> 02:51:19,480
And then, you know, 2/3 of these traffic

4729
02:51:19,480 --> 02:51:22,320
stops, nationally speaking,

4730
02:51:22,320 --> 02:51:25,160
uh they're going in as a high-risk,

4731
02:51:25,160 --> 02:51:26,894
you know, engagement.

4732
02:51:26,894 --> 02:51:27,080
>> [clears throat and cough]

4733
02:51:27,080 --> 02:51:30,280
>> Like, that puts our officers uh in a

4734
02:51:30,280 --> 02:51:32,000
potential pickle if they accidentally

4735
02:51:32,000 --> 02:51:33,720
shoot someone. You know, there's

4736
02:51:33,720 --> 02:51:36,680
liabilities there, so like, if there if

4737
02:51:36,680 --> 02:51:37,600
you [clears throat] don't already have

4738
02:51:37,600 --> 02:51:39,840
those in place,

4739
02:51:39,840 --> 02:51:42,080
like, what is our protocol when we come

4740
02:51:42,080 --> 02:51:45,440
up to a car that has the situation? Some

4741
02:51:45,440 --> 02:51:47,440
people would be, no big deal, some come

4742
02:51:47,440 --> 02:51:50,080
out guns blazing, and we don't need an

4743
02:51:50,080 --> 02:51:52,000
accident and then a lawsuit because of

4744
02:51:52,000 --> 02:51:54,920
that. Right? So, like, we need to have,

4745
02:51:54,920 --> 02:51:57,200
in my opinion, guardrails on this stuff

4746
02:51:57,200 --> 02:51:59,920
so that the Fourth Amendment doesn't get

4747
02:51:59,920 --> 02:52:02,760
violated. Uh and it may have already

4748
02:52:02,760 --> 02:52:05,000
been violated based on the geofencing

4749
02:52:05,000 --> 02:52:06,200
stuff, so we'll see, it'll be

4750
02:52:06,200 --> 02:52:08,600
interesting to see what the sub the um

4751
02:52:08,600 --> 02:52:10,480
Supreme Court ends up saying about this

4752
02:52:10,480 --> 02:52:13,520
whole thing. But until that time, I

4753
02:52:13,520 --> 02:52:15,480
think there needs to be guardrails. I

4754
02:52:15,480 --> 02:52:17,280
just think that we can't be encroaching

4755
02:52:17,280 --> 02:52:19,949
in the community. Uh you use

4756
02:52:19,949 --> 02:52:20,840
[clears throat] it for what it's used

4757
02:52:20,840 --> 02:52:23,880
for, which you obviously are. Uh the

4758
02:52:23,880 --> 02:52:26,120
citizens uh have a

4759
02:52:26,120 --> 02:52:28,480
an oversight committee so that we can

4760
02:52:28,480 --> 02:52:30,160
guarantee them that they're being able

4761
02:52:30,160 --> 02:52:32,320
to see the air rate and that the

4762
02:52:32,320 --> 02:52:35,000
potential uses that is being audited. I

4763
02:52:35,000 --> 02:52:36,324
know you're a pretty

4764
02:52:36,324 --> 02:52:36,520
>> [clears throat]

4765
02:52:36,520 --> 02:52:37,800
>> detailed guy, so you're probably

4766
02:52:37,800 --> 02:52:40,760
auditing yourself, but it would I think

4767
02:52:40,760 --> 02:52:42,280
it would sit better with the community

4768
02:52:42,280 --> 02:52:44,840
if they have their own

4769
02:52:44,840 --> 02:52:47,360
eyeballs on it as a community.

4770
02:52:47,360 --> 02:52:48,520
Um

4771
02:52:48,520 --> 02:52:51,280
so I I'm personally thinking that's

4772
02:52:51,280 --> 02:52:53,400
where we need to go, but I don't know

4773
02:52:53,400 --> 02:52:55,160
what their thoughts are with everyone

4774
02:52:55,160 --> 02:52:56,120
else at the dais.

4775
02:52:56,120 --> 02:52:57,240
>> If you don't mind, I want to make one

4776
02:52:57,240 --> 02:52:58,680
more statement

4777
02:52:58,680 --> 02:52:59,640
just about these things [clears throat]

4778
02:52:59,640 --> 02:53:01,600
a bit before we we move on. You just

4779
02:53:01,600 --> 02:53:03,800
jogged my memory about something. There

4780
02:53:03,800 --> 02:53:05,360
was a a man, I believe, in Tennessee. He

4781
02:53:05,360 --> 02:53:08,560
was pulled 12 times in 30 days, over and

4782
02:53:08,560 --> 02:53:10,520
over again. He kept getting getting hit

4783
02:53:10,520 --> 02:53:12,800
by the same Flock camera. His license

4784
02:53:12,800 --> 02:53:15,880
plate had been entered incorrectly in

4785
02:53:15,880 --> 02:53:17,960
place of a vehicle that had been stolen,

4786
02:53:17,960 --> 02:53:19,480
and over and over again this guy was

4787
02:53:19,480 --> 02:53:21,400
being pulled pulled over because he was

4788
02:53:21,400 --> 02:53:22,600
still flagged on that system, and they

4789
02:53:22,600 --> 02:53:24,080
weren't getting him removed off of it.

4790
02:53:24,080 --> 02:53:25,440
So, he, you know, starts going through,

4791
02:53:25,440 --> 02:53:26,800
you know, the motions of every time he

4792
02:53:26,800 --> 02:53:27,960
gets pulled over, "Here's my license, my

4793
02:53:27,960 --> 02:53:29,400
registration." Hands out the window.

4794
02:53:29,400 --> 02:53:30,800
"This is not a stolen vehicle. I was

4795
02:53:30,800 --> 02:53:32,080
just pulled over yesterday afternoon at

4796
02:53:32,080 --> 02:53:33,320
2:00 p.m.

4797
02:53:33,320 --> 02:53:35,400
You know, check your guys's logs.

4798
02:53:35,400 --> 02:53:36,880
You know, that that circumstance, you

4799
02:53:36,880 --> 02:53:38,600
know, and

4800
02:53:38,600 --> 02:53:40,240
So, again, when we talk about our

4801
02:53:40,240 --> 02:53:42,880
officers, it's a little different than a

4802
02:53:42,880 --> 02:53:45,080
lot of other officers. So, I don't mean

4803
02:53:45,080 --> 02:53:48,600
any offense by this, but every

4804
02:53:48,600 --> 02:53:51,440
interaction with a man with a gun is an

4805
02:53:51,440 --> 02:53:53,440
opportunity for something to go wrong.

4806
02:53:53,440 --> 02:53:55,080
You know, guy has a bad day. Now, this

4807
02:53:55,080 --> 02:53:56,440
guy's been pulled over 12 times. When

4808
02:53:56,440 --> 02:53:57,760
he's on his 13th time, is that the time

4809
02:53:57,760 --> 02:53:58,680
that he goes, "You know what? You guys

4810
02:53:58,680 --> 02:54:00,720
can, you know, and everything goes

4811
02:54:00,720 --> 02:54:01,840
wrong." And he ends up getting shot for

4812
02:54:01,840 --> 02:54:02,920
something that was law enforcement's

4813
02:54:02,920 --> 02:54:03,960
mistake, you know.

4814
02:54:03,960 --> 02:54:07,360
>> So, I

4815
02:54:07,370 --> 02:54:07,440
» [snorts]

4816
02:54:07,440 --> 02:54:10,400
>> As you saw, we you have when you get the

4817
02:54:10,400 --> 02:54:12,400
hit, you get the license plate number,

4818
02:54:12,400 --> 02:54:16,600
and you get what the what the actual license plate

4819
02:54:16,600 --> 02:54:17,480
what it what it read.

4820
02:54:17,480 --> 02:54:18,480
>> It didn't text, correct?

4821
02:54:18,480 --> 02:54:20,600
>> You should First thing you should do is

4822
02:54:20,600 --> 02:54:23,520
verify those. There are instances where

4823
02:54:23,520 --> 02:54:25,400
it's wrong. We did have or the U-Haul

4824
02:54:25,400 --> 02:54:27,920
vehicle, it flagged it hit as a stolen

4825
02:54:27,920 --> 02:54:29,880
vehicle. We roll out there. We do a

4826
02:54:29,880 --> 02:54:32,120
high-risk stop on it. We pull everybody

4827
02:54:32,120 --> 02:54:34,480
out at gunpoint. Yeah, freaked everybody

4828
02:54:34,480 --> 02:54:36,280
out. It's a high-risk It is a high-risk

4829
02:54:36,280 --> 02:54:39,280
stop. It turned out that

4830
02:54:39,280 --> 02:54:43,080
the U-Haul was reported stolen.

4831
02:54:43,080 --> 02:54:44,000
Uh

4832
02:54:44,000 --> 02:54:47,600
the It got recovered and brought back to

4833
02:54:47,600 --> 02:54:50,920
a shop in Riverbank and was supposed to

4834
02:54:50,920 --> 02:54:52,760
be flagged to not be rented out. For

4835
02:54:52,760 --> 02:54:54,720
whatever reason, it wasn't flagged. They

4836
02:54:54,720 --> 02:54:58,461
rented it out before it was removed

4837
02:54:58,461 --> 02:54:58,680
>> [snorts]

4838
02:54:58,680 --> 02:55:01,080
>> from Fruit removed it stolen. They had a

4839
02:55:01,080 --> 02:55:03,240
truckload of stuff they were trying to

4840
02:55:03,240 --> 02:55:04,840
get to I can't remember where, but they

4841
02:55:04,840 --> 02:55:06,200
had a truckload of

4842
02:55:06,200 --> 02:55:08,320
equipment. They still had a couple more

4843
02:55:08,320 --> 02:55:10,400
runs to do. I don't know how it works in

4844
02:55:10,400 --> 02:55:12,640
Tennessee. We were able to do a recovery

4845
02:55:12,640 --> 02:55:14,800
and remove that vehicle from the stolen

4846
02:55:14,800 --> 02:55:16,760
vehicle system right at that point in

4847
02:55:16,760 --> 02:55:18,200
time. Or not right at that point in

4848
02:55:18,200 --> 02:55:19,920
time, but as soon as we cleared, we cut

4849
02:55:19,920 --> 02:55:21,720
them loose. We let them go. We're able

4850
02:55:21,720 --> 02:55:24,160
to remove the vehicle remove vehicle

4851
02:55:24,160 --> 02:55:27,720
from stolen stolen vehicle system. So,

4852
02:55:27,720 --> 02:55:30,400
yes, that that can happen.

4853
02:55:30,400 --> 02:55:32,080
>> Well, I guess it could happen, but it

4854
02:55:32,080 --> 02:55:33,880
it's all in the way that you approach

4855
02:55:33,880 --> 02:55:36,920
the situation, right? So, like if you're

4856
02:55:36,920 --> 02:55:39,040
going in there high high-risk thinking

4857
02:55:39,040 --> 02:55:42,280
this guy's got a weapon and he pulls out

4858
02:55:42,280 --> 02:55:44,480
a broom or something and you freaking

4859
02:55:44,480 --> 02:55:46,680
knock him down.

4860
02:55:46,680 --> 02:55:48,000
Right? That's a problem.

4861
02:55:48,000 --> 02:55:48,520
>> We do

4862
02:55:48,520 --> 02:55:49,840
>> That's a lawsuit for us.

4863
02:55:49,840 --> 02:55:51,640
>> Yes, but we do a We do high-risk stops

4864
02:55:51,640 --> 02:55:55,000
for uh various reasons and we have had

4865
02:55:55,000 --> 02:55:57,320
instances where officers have

4866
02:55:57,320 --> 02:55:58,440
been right behind the vehicle. The

4867
02:55:58,440 --> 02:56:00,640
officer runs the plate wrong. It comes

4868
02:56:00,640 --> 02:56:02,240
back as stolen and they do a high-risk

4869
02:56:02,240 --> 02:56:03,440
stop on them.

4870
02:56:03,440 --> 02:56:03,720
>> Yeah.

4871
02:56:03,720 --> 02:56:06,280
>> Mistakes happen and Flock is not immune

4872
02:56:06,280 --> 02:56:08,800
to mistakes, but as you can see from the

4873
02:56:08,800 --> 02:56:11,080
accountability the what the website for

4874
02:56:11,080 --> 02:56:12,920
accountability

4875
02:56:12,920 --> 02:56:14,400
officers are being held accountable for

4876
02:56:14,400 --> 02:56:15,360
their actions.

4877
02:56:15,360 --> 02:56:17,040
>> I I get it, but I think that we need to

4878
02:56:17,040 --> 02:56:18,640
have an internal policy, I guess, is

4879
02:56:18,640 --> 02:56:21,040
what I'm getting at. That

4880
02:56:21,040 --> 02:56:23,080
when we do have something like this,

4881
02:56:23,080 --> 02:56:24,720
we're not just instantly going from zero

4882
02:56:24,720 --> 02:56:26,080
to 60,

4883
02:56:26,080 --> 02:56:28,720
right? We got to have some sort of like

4884
02:56:28,720 --> 02:56:30,040
okay, we pull them over, let's

4885
02:56:30,040 --> 02:56:32,360
double-check the stuff before we're

4886
02:56:32,360 --> 02:56:33,800
lighting them up, you know what I'm

4887
02:56:33,800 --> 02:56:34,920
saying?

4888
02:56:34,920 --> 02:56:36,280
I guess is what I'm getting at.

4889
02:56:36,280 --> 02:56:38,520
>> And also, that is the reason if you look

4890
02:56:38,520 --> 02:56:41,160
at the LPR data that I put in the

4891
02:56:41,160 --> 02:56:44,600
council report every month, we have

4892
02:56:44,600 --> 02:56:46,440
a whole lot of stolen vehicle or stolen

4893
02:56:46,440 --> 02:56:48,640
license plate hits and very few stolen

4894
02:56:48,640 --> 02:56:50,320
vehicle hits.

4895
02:56:50,320 --> 02:56:52,080
Stolen license plate hits, we don't even

4896
02:56:52,080 --> 02:56:54,880
respond to anymore because

4897
02:56:54,880 --> 02:56:56,600
I've when we first got them, I used to

4898
02:56:56,600 --> 02:56:59,520
go and stop people for them, and I have

4899
02:56:59,520 --> 02:57:01,640
not got one that was not your front

4900
02:57:01,640 --> 02:57:04,000
license plate was stolen, back license

4901
02:57:04,000 --> 02:57:05,240
plate is still on the vehicle. So, I

4902
02:57:05,240 --> 02:57:07,160
have not gotten a stolen license plate

4903
02:57:07,160 --> 02:57:09,040
stop that

4904
02:57:09,040 --> 02:57:10,200
was

4905
02:57:10,200 --> 02:57:11,640
>> legitimately warranted.

4906
02:57:11,640 --> 02:57:14,520
>> Exactly. And so, I don't even stop for I

4907
02:57:14,520 --> 02:57:16,200
don't even set my I don't even get

4908
02:57:16,200 --> 02:57:18,000
alerts for stolen license plates, and I

4909
02:57:18,000 --> 02:57:19,160
don't think any of

4910
02:57:19,160 --> 02:57:20,520
our other officers

4911
02:57:20,520 --> 02:57:22,560
>> Okay, well, I guess that's like a

4912
02:57:22,560 --> 02:57:24,080
the kind of thing I'm talking about as

4913
02:57:24,080 --> 02:57:25,320
far as

4914
02:57:25,320 --> 02:57:26,720
um

4915
02:57:26,720 --> 02:57:31,200
universally through your crew having a

4916
02:57:31,200 --> 02:57:33,480
um a process by which we're thinking

4917
02:57:33,480 --> 02:57:36,000
through these things and eliminating the

4918
02:57:36,000 --> 02:57:38,720
potential for collateral damage and

4919
02:57:38,720 --> 02:57:41,800
liability because clearly

4920
02:57:41,800 --> 02:57:43,160
just what you're describing to me is

4921
02:57:43,160 --> 02:57:48,880
we're seeing the potential for something to be misinterpreted or

4922
02:57:48,880 --> 02:57:51,000
you know, that kind of thing. So, as far

4923
02:57:51,000 --> 02:57:53,200
as like the outside cameras, like I was

4924
02:57:53,200 --> 02:57:54,320
telling

4925
02:57:54,320 --> 02:57:56,480
um K, it comes with K's. I don't have

4926
02:57:56,480 --> 02:57:59,040
necessarily a problem provided it's not

4927
02:57:59,040 --> 02:58:00,440
encroaching,

4928
02:58:00,440 --> 02:58:02,920
provided it's not

4929
02:58:02,920 --> 02:58:04,560
software updates aren't coming into

4930
02:58:04,560 --> 02:58:07,920
these things allowing for next level,

4931
02:58:07,920 --> 02:58:09,960
you know, social credit score type stuff

4932
02:58:09,960 --> 02:58:11,920
because this is the this is the type of

4933
02:58:11,920 --> 02:58:13,200
stuff

4934
02:58:13,200 --> 02:58:15,080
that creeps, and it creeps, and it

4935
02:58:15,080 --> 02:58:18,000
creeps, and eventually we're going, "Oh,

4936
02:58:18,000 --> 02:58:20,160
are we living in 1984?

4937
02:58:20,160 --> 02:58:22,320
The book, you know, because we started

4938
02:58:22,320 --> 02:58:24,120
with this kind of stuff and we didn't

4939
02:58:24,120 --> 02:58:26,120
put guardrails on it.

4940
02:58:26,120 --> 02:58:27,720
So, I think that there needs to be at

4941
02:58:27,720 --> 02:58:30,840
very least guardrails.

4942
02:58:30,840 --> 02:58:32,200
Any Anyone else? Sorry, we've been

4943
02:58:32,200 --> 02:58:33,240
talking a lot.

4944
02:58:33,240 --> 02:58:35,320
>> May I ask you a few questions?

4945
02:58:35,320 --> 02:58:36,680
All right. Um

4946
02:58:36,680 --> 02:58:39,190
so, these might seem very basic and

4947
02:58:39,198 --> 02:58:39,200
» [clears throat]

4948
02:58:39,200 --> 02:58:41,080
>> I I just don't want to assume, right?

4949
02:58:41,080 --> 02:58:43,760
So, we'll just ask them out loud. Um but

4950
02:58:43,760 --> 02:58:46,600
are these cameras Are they um permanent

4951
02:58:46,600 --> 02:58:49,040
and fixed or are they mobile and on a

4952
02:58:49,040 --> 02:58:49,960
trailer?

4953
02:58:49,960 --> 02:58:51,640
>> Oh, no, they're permanent affixed.

4954
02:58:51,640 --> 02:58:55,440
>> Are affixed. And then when you receive

4955
02:58:55,440 --> 02:58:58,840
the data, do you go to the camera,

4956
02:58:58,840 --> 02:59:01,320
download it manually onto like a thumb

4957
02:59:01,320 --> 02:59:03,480
drive, bring it back, and then look at

4958
02:59:03,480 --> 02:59:05,600
the data, or is this

4959
02:59:05,600 --> 02:59:08,400
uh Bluetooth, wireless, Wi-Fi?

4960
02:59:08,400 --> 02:59:10,160
>> Oh, it's all cellular-based. It's

4961
02:59:10,160 --> 02:59:13,920
cloud-based. So, every camera's got a

4962
02:59:13,920 --> 02:59:15,879
essentially a modem and a transmitter.

4963
02:59:15,879 --> 02:59:17,760
[clears throat] So, it's constantly

4964
02:59:17,760 --> 02:59:19,400
feeding data to the cloud and it's being

4965
02:59:19,400 --> 02:59:22,680
That's how we receive alerts. So,

4966
02:59:22,680 --> 02:59:23,880
if it

4967
02:59:23,880 --> 02:59:28,600
The only real analytics that Flock does,

4968
02:59:28,600 --> 02:59:30,840
as far as processing data or analyzing

4969
02:59:30,840 --> 02:59:33,200
data, is as soon as a as soon as it

4970
02:59:33,200 --> 02:59:35,440
makes a read, it'll check that license

4971
02:59:35,440 --> 02:59:37,600
plate against the list of known stolen

4972
02:59:37,600 --> 02:59:40,160
vehicles or against the hot list. And if

4973
02:59:40,160 --> 02:59:43,280
it's on a hot list, it'll send an alert

4974
02:59:43,280 --> 02:59:47,440
to all the users that have it set for to

4975
02:59:47,440 --> 02:59:49,280
uh trigger off of that hot list.

4976
02:59:49,280 --> 02:59:51,600
>> And then are these received within the

4977
02:59:51,600 --> 02:59:54,920
vehicles as well as in the office or one

4978
02:59:54,920 --> 02:59:55,720
or the other?

4979
02:59:55,720 --> 02:59:58,800
>> Uh cell phones and um

4980
02:59:58,800 --> 03:00:00,440
cell phones and email.

4981
03:00:00,440 --> 03:00:01,360
>> Okay.

4982
03:00:01,360 --> 03:00:03,920
Uh and then my other question is why do

4983
03:00:03,920 --> 03:00:06,640
we choose the company Flock?

4984
03:00:06,640 --> 03:00:08,880
And why not another company? Why not

4985
03:00:08,880 --> 03:00:11,320
another camera?

4986
03:00:11,320 --> 03:00:12,600
>> Right now, there's kind of there's

4987
03:00:12,600 --> 03:00:14,440
three. There's kind of a upstart account

4988
03:00:14,440 --> 03:00:15,880
I think it's called Ranker or something

4989
03:00:15,880 --> 03:00:18,080
I can't remember the third company but

4990
03:00:18,080 --> 03:00:20,160
when we were looking into it there were

4991
03:00:20,160 --> 03:00:22,240
two primary companies there was Vigilant

4992
03:00:22,240 --> 03:00:31,400
and there was Flock. Vigilant was the big dog in town and

4993
03:00:31,400 --> 03:00:33,640
they were the big company they were the

4994
03:00:33,640 --> 03:00:35,720
they had the most users

4995
03:00:35,720 --> 03:00:36,400
um

4996
03:00:36,400 --> 03:00:40,120
Flock some of the perks to Flock

4997
03:00:40,120 --> 03:00:41,200
which was at the time they were

4998
03:00:41,200 --> 03:00:43,280
partnered with Axon

4999
03:00:43,280 --> 03:00:45,080
and so that was one of the things that

5000
03:00:45,080 --> 03:00:47,320
kind of leaned us towards Flock along

5001
03:00:47,320 --> 03:00:50,120
with the fact that Flock was dedicated

5002
03:00:50,120 --> 03:00:53,000
law enforcement and safety um

5003
03:00:53,000 --> 03:00:56,240
Vigilant was more commercial it was

5004
03:00:56,240 --> 03:00:58,360
again like I said it was more it was

5005
03:00:58,360 --> 03:01:00,320
established for more asset recovery

5006
03:01:00,320 --> 03:01:02,200
banks insurance companies and stuff like

5007
03:01:02,200 --> 03:01:04,360
that uh

5008
03:01:04,360 --> 03:01:06,120
Flock was all just dedicated was

5009
03:01:06,120 --> 03:01:08,240
dedicated for law enforcement and public

5010
03:01:08,240 --> 03:01:11,120
safety police security parking garages

5011
03:01:11,120 --> 03:01:13,120
and stuff like that and communities and

5012
03:01:13,120 --> 03:01:17,360
stuff uh also Flock at the time had uh

5013
03:01:17,360 --> 03:01:20,040
solar options and I

5014
03:01:20,040 --> 03:01:22,680
don't think Vigilant had a solar option

5015
03:01:22,680 --> 03:01:25,360
at that time where uh they all had to be

5016
03:01:25,360 --> 03:01:27,600
hardwired so if we wanted to get

5017
03:01:27,600 --> 03:01:30,440
Vigilant cameras we had to get power to

5018
03:01:30,440 --> 03:01:32,880
everywhere we wanted them Flock they

5019
03:01:32,880 --> 03:01:36,320
operate off of solar and also the cost

5020
03:01:36,320 --> 03:01:39,080
for Flock was cheaper than Vigilant so

5021
03:01:39,080 --> 03:01:40,760
there are multiple factors that led us

5022
03:01:40,760 --> 03:01:42,280
to Flock.

5023
03:01:42,280 --> 03:01:43,760
>> Okay thank you.

5024
03:01:43,760 --> 03:01:46,360
>> Um any other thoughts over here?

5025
03:01:46,360 --> 03:01:47,960
Uh Mr. Wingfield what are your what are

5026
03:01:47,960 --> 03:01:48,600
your thoughts?

5027
03:01:48,600 --> 03:01:50,460
>> Yeah I'll just keep them brief

5028
03:01:50,460 --> 03:01:51,080
>> [clears throat]

5029
03:01:51,080 --> 03:01:52,240
>> or I'll try.

5030
03:01:52,240 --> 03:01:53,800
Uh I mean I think in general if we're

5031
03:01:53,800 --> 03:01:55,200
worried about living in a police state

5032
03:01:55,200 --> 03:01:57,080
we're we're we're too late right and if

5033
03:01:57,080 --> 03:01:59,120
we're on our computer at our microwave

5034
03:01:59,120 --> 03:02:01,720
on our phones I mean I'm carrying two

5035
03:02:01,720 --> 03:02:04,160
tracking devices with me third if you

5036
03:02:04,160 --> 03:02:05,800
want to count my watch every day and

5037
03:02:05,800 --> 03:02:07,360
everywhere I go.

5038
03:02:07,360 --> 03:02:09,680
Um

5039
03:02:09,680 --> 03:02:11,840
So, you know, from that perspective I I

5040
03:02:11,840 --> 03:02:14,520
think that we're late, right? But

5041
03:02:14,520 --> 03:02:16,120
uh

5042
03:02:16,120 --> 03:02:18,000
I I don't disagree with I think with

5043
03:02:18,000 --> 03:02:19,680
what the mayor's asking for, which is

5044
03:02:19,680 --> 03:02:21,480
some guardrails. So, I was just looking

5045
03:02:21,480 --> 03:02:23,640
at the agenda item request and

5046
03:02:23,640 --> 03:02:26,040
uh the under the recommended motion

5047
03:02:26,040 --> 03:02:27,960
under B, it says remove any potential

5048
03:02:27,960 --> 03:02:33,680
for software updates which violate uh our fourth amendment.

5049
03:02:33,680 --> 03:02:34,360
I [clears throat] would think just to

5050
03:02:34,360 --> 03:02:36,840
even add that that you know, that they

5051
03:02:36,840 --> 03:02:38,800
would need to be any any potential

5052
03:02:38,800 --> 03:02:40,680
software changes need to be approved

5053
03:02:40,680 --> 03:02:42,800
through council regardless of what they

5054
03:02:42,800 --> 03:02:44,280
are just so that there's information

5055
03:02:44,280 --> 03:02:45,200
that's able to be shared with the

5056
03:02:45,200 --> 03:02:46,280
public.

5057
03:02:46,280 --> 03:02:49,440
Uh but I but I do see the the benefit uh

5058
03:02:49,440 --> 03:02:51,120
as far as

5059
03:02:51,120 --> 03:02:52,360
seeing who's coming in and out of our

5060
03:02:52,360 --> 03:02:55,240
town. It For me, even if we didn't have

5061
03:02:55,240 --> 03:02:57,160
them, just just go down the street cuz

5062
03:02:57,160 --> 03:02:58,960
the next agency does. I mean, in every

5063
03:02:58,960 --> 03:03:00,880
direction I think on Manteca's council

5064
03:03:00,880 --> 03:03:02,360
meeting tonight, they have proposed

5065
03:03:02,360 --> 03:03:04,400
another six to their like

5066
03:03:04,400 --> 03:03:06,680
90-some or whatever they've got going on

5067
03:03:06,680 --> 03:03:09,200
in town already. Uh similar as you jump

5068
03:03:09,200 --> 03:03:10,640
off into Modesto, you're going to grab

5069
03:03:10,640 --> 03:03:12,200
it there. Oakdale, I'm sure. And then

5070
03:03:12,200 --> 03:03:13,840
obviously Stockton's going to have them

5071
03:03:13,840 --> 03:03:15,120
as well. So,

5072
03:03:15,120 --> 03:03:16,600
um I don't think there's any avoiding

5073
03:03:16,600 --> 03:03:19,120
them at this point. So,

5074
03:03:19,120 --> 03:03:20,640
limiting the amount of information

5075
03:03:20,640 --> 03:03:22,960
that's able to be gathered, if if that's

5076
03:03:22,960 --> 03:03:25,000
even something that we'll be able to do

5077
03:03:25,000 --> 03:03:26,680
in the future. So,

5078
03:03:26,680 --> 03:03:29,120
I I totally get on board with with some

5079
03:03:29,120 --> 03:03:31,160
type of requirement that that we can't

5080
03:03:31,160 --> 03:03:35,040
change providers or um

5081
03:03:35,040 --> 03:03:36,320
or software

5082
03:03:36,320 --> 03:03:40,760
uh without council's approval. Um

5083
03:03:40,760 --> 03:03:42,240
And as far as adding any additional

5084
03:03:42,240 --> 03:03:43,640
cameras, I think that would be a two.

5085
03:03:43,640 --> 03:03:44,880
That would be something that would would

5086
03:03:44,880 --> 03:03:48,470
run through council as well.

5087
03:03:48,480 --> 03:03:49,560
Um

5088
03:03:49,560 --> 03:03:51,120
Councilmember Scharmann, do you have any

5089
03:03:51,120 --> 03:03:52,440
thoughts on this?

5090
03:03:52,440 --> 03:03:53,480
>> Actually,

5091
03:03:53,480 --> 03:03:54,920
I have a question for Chief and then I

5092
03:03:54,920 --> 03:03:56,920
have a question for you, Mr. Mayor.

5093
03:03:56,920 --> 03:03:57,880
>> Yeah.

5094
03:03:57,880 --> 03:04:01,320
>> Um Chief, respecting

5095
03:04:01,320 --> 03:04:04,080
confidentiality of law enforcement.

5096
03:04:04,080 --> 03:04:08,440
Can you walk me through the process of

5097
03:04:08,440 --> 03:04:12,480
let's say City of Modesto

5098
03:04:12,480 --> 03:04:15,600
reaches out and wants information.

5099
03:04:15,600 --> 03:04:19,080
How how does that process work?

5100
03:04:19,080 --> 03:04:20,080
>> Uh

5101
03:04:20,080 --> 03:04:22,680
So, once we share data through Flock,

5102
03:04:22,680 --> 03:04:25,880
the it's an integrated system. So, if we

5103
03:04:25,880 --> 03:04:28,960
punch in a license plate, so when you're

5104
03:04:28,960 --> 03:04:31,360
doing the search for a vehicle, like

5105
03:04:31,360 --> 03:04:33,720
let's say you're looking for a specific

5106
03:04:33,720 --> 03:04:35,680
uh you got a we got a

5107
03:04:35,680 --> 03:04:38,040
suspect vehicle, it's a black Ford

5108
03:04:38,040 --> 03:04:40,600
truck. Uh it came in came through the

5109
03:04:40,600 --> 03:04:42,480
town approximately this time. We would

5110
03:04:42,480 --> 03:04:44,560
do a search for black Ford truck and if

5111
03:04:44,560 --> 03:04:46,640
we could find something that we thought

5112
03:04:46,640 --> 03:04:48,760
was the suspect vehicle to get a license

5113
03:04:48,760 --> 03:04:50,640
plate off of it, we would then run just

5114
03:04:50,640 --> 03:04:53,320
that license plate uh through a more

5115
03:04:53,320 --> 03:04:55,280
in-depth search and then running it

5116
03:04:55,280 --> 03:04:57,240
through the further search kind of shows

5117
03:04:57,240 --> 03:04:59,560
us all the cameras that it hit off of.

5118
03:04:59,560 --> 03:05:01,200
So, if you do a search for a license

5119
03:05:01,200 --> 03:05:04,000
plate number, it automatically searches

5120
03:05:04,000 --> 03:05:06,120
the camera networks that we are

5121
03:05:06,120 --> 03:05:07,800
connected with.

5122
03:05:07,800 --> 03:05:10,080
>> And how far out does that that camera

5123
03:05:10,080 --> 03:05:13,830
network extend?

5124
03:05:13,840 --> 03:05:15,960
» Like I said, I'm

5125
03:05:15,960 --> 03:05:18,400
not sure, but we we share with hundreds

5126
03:05:18,400 --> 03:05:20,880
of California agencies.

5127
03:05:20,880 --> 03:05:21,373
>> Okay.

5128
03:05:21,373 --> 03:05:22,028
>> [snorts]

5129
03:05:22,028 --> 03:05:22,720
[clears throat]

5130
03:05:22,720 --> 03:05:25,200
>> So, my question for you, Mr. Mayor and

5131
03:05:25,200 --> 03:05:26,960
Council Member Kay,

5132
03:05:26,960 --> 03:05:30,360
how do you envision this

5133
03:05:30,360 --> 03:05:32,320
citizens oversight committee? I mean,

5134
03:05:32,320 --> 03:05:33,880
what are what in particular what are

5135
03:05:33,880 --> 03:05:35,000
they what are they like?

5136
03:05:35,000 --> 03:05:37,240
>> we need an auditing committee of

5137
03:05:37,240 --> 03:05:38,800
citizens,

5138
03:05:38,800 --> 03:05:40,760
maybe three people, so it's

5139
03:05:40,760 --> 03:05:42,760
you know, it's odd,

5140
03:05:42,760 --> 03:05:43,644
that

5141
03:05:43,644 --> 03:05:44,240
>> [clears throat]

5142
03:05:44,240 --> 03:05:45,800
>> once or twice a year go through an

5143
03:05:45,800 --> 03:05:48,520
auditing process with the chief

5144
03:05:48,520 --> 03:05:52,120
and present that information to us or to

5145
03:05:52,120 --> 03:05:54,200
the community to make sure that

5146
03:05:54,200 --> 03:05:56,560
everything's on the up and up,

5147
03:05:56,560 --> 03:05:59,680
uh which I know it will be and I'm not

5148
03:05:59,680 --> 03:06:03,360
This is not an assault on you, Chief. I think our cops are awesome. They do a

5149
03:06:03,360 --> 03:06:04,840
great job here.

5150
03:06:04,840 --> 03:06:05,920
I'm looking at the [clears throat]

5151
03:06:05,920 --> 03:06:08,360
potential for it to be abused.

5152
03:06:08,360 --> 03:06:11,720
Potential for a turnover in uh policing,

5153
03:06:11,720 --> 03:06:15,360
council, all that stuff in the future.

5154
03:06:15,360 --> 03:06:18,160
And then uh all of a sudden, I'm sitting

5155
03:06:18,160 --> 03:06:20,600
in my front yard and I've got cameras on

5156
03:06:20,600 --> 03:06:21,480
me

5157
03:06:21,480 --> 03:06:23,200
eating my sandwich. You know what I'm

5158
03:06:23,200 --> 03:06:24,520
saying? Like

5159
03:06:24,520 --> 03:06:27,040
uh I think [clears throat] at some point

5160
03:06:27,040 --> 03:06:29,960
it is over the top.

5161
03:06:29,960 --> 03:06:30,804
And

5162
03:06:30,804 --> 03:06:30,880
>> [clears throat]

5163
03:06:30,880 --> 03:06:33,600
>> my line in the sand, personally, is

5164
03:06:33,600 --> 03:06:35,360
the the the

5165
03:06:35,360 --> 03:06:37,600
outskirts of town. I think anything in

5166
03:06:37,600 --> 03:06:41,080
town is a is encroaching and I'm

5167
03:06:41,080 --> 03:06:42,800
be interested to see what comes of the

5168
03:06:42,800 --> 03:06:45,840
geo fence uh the the actual lawsuit when

5169
03:06:45,840 --> 03:06:47,760
it gets to the the Supreme Court because

5170
03:06:47,760 --> 03:06:50,000
it's already heading that way from my

5171
03:06:50,000 --> 03:06:51,560
research on it.

5172
03:06:51,560 --> 03:06:54,040
Um so in the meantime, while we're

5173
03:06:54,040 --> 03:06:56,840
waiting, I don't want to step on the

5174
03:06:56,840 --> 03:06:58,840
toes of the police to get to be able to

5175
03:06:58,840 --> 03:07:00,320
use this to

5176
03:07:00,320 --> 03:07:02,160
help you guys. It's a tech It's a

5177
03:07:02,160 --> 03:07:04,320
technology and a tool.

5178
03:07:04,320 --> 03:07:06,120
But at the same time, we got to make

5179
03:07:06,120 --> 03:07:08,480
sure that our citizens aren't getting,

5180
03:07:08,480 --> 03:07:09,360
you know,

5181
03:07:09,360 --> 03:07:11,160
rolled up uh

5182
03:07:11,160 --> 03:07:13,920
or accidentally abused and you not

5183
03:07:13,920 --> 03:07:16,680
intentionally, right? Things that would

5184
03:07:16,680 --> 03:07:19,040
potentially happen like

5185
03:07:19,040 --> 03:07:21,080
uh I mean, I'll give you that example

5186
03:07:21,080 --> 03:07:22,720
you used with black

5187
03:07:22,720 --> 03:07:25,320
vehicle. Um I mean, that same exact

5188
03:07:25,320 --> 03:07:28,000
scenario happened down in San Diego and

5189
03:07:28,000 --> 03:07:30,320
a guy spent a month in jail and an

5190
03:07:30,320 --> 03:07:33,240
innocent man was in a jail for a month

5191
03:07:33,240 --> 03:07:34,960
because of uh

5192
03:07:34,960 --> 03:07:36,520
human error.

5193
03:07:36,520 --> 03:07:38,560
And And that's the kind of stuff that we

5194
03:07:38,560 --> 03:07:40,880
have to have an internal policy,

5195
03:07:40,880 --> 03:07:43,200
whatever you guys come up with

5196
03:07:43,200 --> 03:07:46,120
for those potential approaches, so that

5197
03:07:46,120 --> 03:07:48,000
stuff doesn't happen, a procedural

5198
03:07:48,000 --> 03:07:49,160
thing.

5199
03:07:49,160 --> 03:07:51,680
A citizen oversight committee, so we can

5200
03:07:51,680 --> 03:07:55,120
guarantee to the citizens that yes, even

5201
03:07:55,120 --> 03:07:58,280
though we know Chief is 100% uh a very

5202
03:07:58,280 --> 03:08:01,960
honest guy, um that's confirmed. You

5203
03:08:01,960 --> 03:08:03,240
know what I'm saying?

5204
03:08:03,240 --> 03:08:06,040
And the other part of it is

5205
03:08:06,040 --> 03:08:07,320
um

5206
03:08:07,320 --> 03:08:09,280
the encroachment part. So, I mean, if I

5207
03:08:09,280 --> 03:08:11,120
were to say what I would want it to look

5208
03:08:11,120 --> 03:08:13,360
like, a three-person

5209
03:08:13,360 --> 03:08:16,120
oversight committee meets with Chief and

5210
03:08:16,120 --> 03:08:18,920
the city manager, maybe lawyer, however

5211
03:08:18,920 --> 03:08:21,280
that would look. Uh maybe you have one

5212
03:08:21,280 --> 03:08:22,680
council member on that board or

5213
03:08:22,680 --> 03:08:25,080
something, and

5214
03:08:25,080 --> 03:08:27,240
you have an oversight over it. You look

5215
03:08:27,240 --> 03:08:29,560
at it. What's the error rate?

5216
03:08:29,560 --> 03:08:31,360
Are we having any potential concerns

5217
03:08:31,360 --> 03:08:34,240
with it? I mean, down in uh Illinois's

5218
03:08:34,240 --> 03:08:36,120
Oak I think it was called Oak Valley or

5219
03:08:36,120 --> 03:08:37,240
Oak

5220
03:08:37,240 --> 03:08:39,040
Let me look it up real quick. Sorry. It

5221
03:08:39,040 --> 03:08:42,790
was called

5222
03:08:42,800 --> 03:08:44,400
Let me see here.

5223
03:08:44,400 --> 03:08:46,800
In Illinois's Oak Park, Illinois, where

5224
03:08:46,800 --> 03:08:48,355
they implemented that.

5225
03:08:48,355 --> 03:08:48,760
>> [clears throat]

5226
03:08:48,760 --> 03:08:51,400
>> They were coming up with a 30%

5227
03:08:51,400 --> 03:08:54,040
That's a huge number to me. Error rate.

5228
03:08:54,040 --> 03:08:54,760
In

5229
03:08:54,760 --> 03:08:57,560
once they implemented the citizen board.

5230
03:08:57,560 --> 03:08:59,160
So, like, those are the kind of things

5231
03:08:59,160 --> 03:09:00,200
that

5232
03:09:00,200 --> 03:09:02,800
help, I think, us

5233
03:09:02,800 --> 03:09:04,520
guarantee the community that they're not

5234
03:09:04,520 --> 03:09:06,760
going to have a problem, but at the same

5235
03:09:06,760 --> 03:09:08,000
time

5236
03:09:08,000 --> 03:09:10,200
uh you know, allows you to still use

5237
03:09:10,200 --> 03:09:12,040
your technology

5238
03:09:12,040 --> 03:09:13,680
to get those license plates when you

5239
03:09:13,680 --> 03:09:14,880
need to.

5240
03:09:14,880 --> 03:09:15,840
Um

5241
03:09:15,840 --> 03:09:18,120
so, I would think that's one part of it

5242
03:09:18,120 --> 03:09:20,160
when I flesh it out. The other part of

5243
03:09:20,160 --> 03:09:22,880
it is to leave to is is no no further

5244
03:09:22,880 --> 03:09:24,920
encroachment in the town. Like, where

5245
03:09:24,920 --> 03:09:26,240
they're at now is where they're going to

5246
03:09:26,240 --> 03:09:29,040
be 10 years from now, in theory.

5247
03:09:29,040 --> 03:09:31,160
Kind of thing. And then the last part of

5248
03:09:31,160 --> 03:09:34,000
it is like Councilman Casey saying the

5249
03:09:34,000 --> 03:09:36,640
software update needs to be

5250
03:09:36,640 --> 03:09:39,920
something that uh is guaran- is is

5251
03:09:39,920 --> 03:09:42,800
specifically for license plates.

5252
03:09:42,800 --> 03:09:44,360
You don't end up putting it on there and

5253
03:09:44,360 --> 03:09:46,680
all of a sudden it's looking at faces.

5254
03:09:46,680 --> 03:09:49,040
Now it's looking at Lord knows what

5255
03:09:49,040 --> 03:09:51,040
else. Now [clears throat] I go grab a

5256
03:09:51,040 --> 03:09:53,400
beer at the store and my social credit

5257
03:09:53,400 --> 03:09:55,920
score drops. You know, all that kind of

5258
03:09:55,920 --> 03:09:59,120
stuff that really has to be

5259
03:09:59,120 --> 03:10:01,120
guard railed. You know what I'm saying?

5260
03:10:01,120 --> 03:10:03,000
So, that's that's kind of where I'm

5261
03:10:03,000 --> 03:10:06,080
coming from and to answer your question.

5262
03:10:06,080 --> 03:10:06,880
>> Well, I'm

5263
03:10:06,880 --> 03:10:08,800
clear on that. So, when you say update,

5264
03:10:08,800 --> 03:10:11,280
you're you're talking update software

5265
03:10:11,280 --> 03:10:13,600
updates that will add additional

5266
03:10:13,600 --> 03:10:16,880
features beyond license plate

5267
03:10:16,880 --> 03:10:17,360
>> Correct.

5268
03:10:17,360 --> 03:10:17,800
>> reading.

5269
03:10:17,800 --> 03:10:19,080
>> Correct.

5270
03:10:19,080 --> 03:10:21,120
Cuz the original intent is to use to see

5271
03:10:21,120 --> 03:10:22,640
the license plates, right?

5272
03:10:22,640 --> 03:10:23,520
>> Yeah, I don't I don't think he's

5273
03:10:23,520 --> 03:10:26,440
referring to just technology updates to

5274
03:10:26,440 --> 03:10:27,480
prevent glitches.

5275
03:10:27,480 --> 03:10:29,560
>> And they're they're constantly just like

5276
03:10:29,560 --> 03:10:30,880
that's that's where you pay the

5277
03:10:30,880 --> 03:10:32,240
subscription fee.

5278
03:10:32,240 --> 03:10:33,120
They've got [clears throat] cloud base

5279
03:10:33,120 --> 03:10:34,120
where they're doing protection, so

5280
03:10:34,120 --> 03:10:35,600
they're constantly running updates,

5281
03:10:35,600 --> 03:10:37,840
fixing fixing but fixing patches. So,

5282
03:10:37,840 --> 03:10:38,800
this is the type of stuff that's

5283
03:10:38,800 --> 03:10:40,280
constantly being updated, but they're

5284
03:10:40,280 --> 03:10:41,320
not constantly adding new features.

5285
03:10:41,320 --> 03:10:43,960
>> Which which I get get. I get that. But,

5286
03:10:43,960 --> 03:10:47,360
I also look at most of these elites, if

5287
03:10:47,360 --> 03:10:49,000
you call them that,

5288
03:10:49,000 --> 03:10:52,400
um use China as their model, right? And

5289
03:10:52,400 --> 03:10:55,800
in those systems, they there already

5290
03:10:55,800 --> 03:10:58,520
exists software that can be input on

5291
03:10:58,520 --> 03:11:00,040
this system

5292
03:11:00,040 --> 03:11:00,920
uh

5293
03:11:00,920 --> 03:11:04,520
and can be used to abuse or violate the

5294
03:11:04,520 --> 03:11:07,040
Fourth Amendment on another level,

5295
03:11:07,040 --> 03:11:09,240
right? So,

5296
03:11:09,240 --> 03:11:12,120
Yeah, so well, yeah, that's true and and

5297
03:11:12,120 --> 03:11:14,520
but not everyone is with their phone

5298
03:11:14,520 --> 03:11:17,000
24/7. You know what I'm saying? I mean,

5299
03:11:17,000 --> 03:11:20,480
some people are, but I don't. Um

5300
03:11:20,480 --> 03:11:23,120
so, so this is the thing I'm looking at

5301
03:11:23,120 --> 03:11:25,240
is I just want to make sure we guarantee

5302
03:11:25,240 --> 03:11:27,800
that. It's I mean, you know what they

5303
03:11:27,800 --> 03:11:29,640
say about assuming things, right? So,

5304
03:11:29,640 --> 03:11:31,760
that's not where we want to be is what

5305
03:11:31,760 --> 03:11:33,880
my opinion.

5306
03:11:33,880 --> 03:11:36,440
>> Well, now I'll also add that I I think

5307
03:11:36,440 --> 03:11:38,360
this is a good conversation to have and

5308
03:11:38,360 --> 03:11:40,160
just the fact that we can have this

5309
03:11:40,160 --> 03:11:42,680
conversation and

5310
03:11:42,680 --> 03:11:45,520
we can have the open debate about it.

5311
03:11:45,520 --> 03:11:47,800
Goes to show just how different we are

5312
03:11:47,800 --> 03:11:49,920
from the places like China.

5313
03:11:49,920 --> 03:11:52,840
>> Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And I'm

5314
03:11:52,840 --> 03:11:54,920
just making sure that I do my own due

5315
03:11:54,920 --> 03:11:58,240
diligence to make sure that um when I

5316
03:11:58,240 --> 03:12:00,160
look back on my life

5317
03:12:00,160 --> 03:12:02,360
my grandson's not like, "Grandpa, what

5318
03:12:02,360 --> 03:12:04,040
the heck you do?" You know what I'm

5319
03:12:04,040 --> 03:12:05,080
saying? [clears throat]

5320
03:12:05,080 --> 03:12:08,000
So so that's where I'm thinking I try to

5321
03:12:08,000 --> 03:12:10,280
look and project forward. How could this

5322
03:12:10,280 --> 03:12:12,960
potentially be abused? And where does

5323
03:12:12,960 --> 03:12:15,120
that potentially go, right? When you

5324
03:12:15,120 --> 03:12:17,280
flush it out, the way you're using it

5325
03:12:17,280 --> 03:12:20,240
currently really isn't a big deal.

5326
03:12:20,240 --> 03:12:22,360
When you start to flush that out though,

5327
03:12:22,360 --> 03:12:24,880
that's that's a big meatball, so to

5328
03:12:24,880 --> 03:12:26,800
speak. Um

5329
03:12:26,800 --> 03:12:28,000
oh wait.

5330
03:12:28,000 --> 03:12:29,840
Is any anyone else have anything before

5331
03:12:29,840 --> 03:12:31,280
you go to the audience?

5332
03:12:31,280 --> 03:12:33,120
>> Well, yeah. My second question that I

5333
03:12:33,120 --> 03:12:35,440
was going to ask

5334
03:12:35,440 --> 03:12:37,160
was um

5335
03:12:37,160 --> 03:12:39,800
Chief, when Flock runs an update

5336
03:12:39,800 --> 03:12:41,538
software update, do they explain

5337
03:12:41,538 --> 03:12:43,840
[snorts] to you what's included in the

5338
03:12:43,840 --> 03:12:46,320
update? Does it say security patch or

5339
03:12:46,320 --> 03:12:48,440
does it say

5340
03:12:48,440 --> 03:12:51,320
just an update's been ran. So my

5341
03:12:51,320 --> 03:12:54,000
question is now is Chief having to turn

5342
03:12:54,000 --> 03:12:57,440
into an IT guru to try to understand

5343
03:12:57,440 --> 03:12:59,223
what what was included in that

5344
03:12:59,223 --> 03:12:59,440
>> [clears throat]

5345
03:12:59,440 --> 03:13:00,160
>> update?

5346
03:13:00,160 --> 03:13:02,120
>> May I say something here?

5347
03:13:02,120 --> 03:13:04,040
If they're going to provide new

5348
03:13:04,040 --> 03:13:06,160
capabilities, new technology, they're

5349
03:13:06,160 --> 03:13:09,160
going to they're going to monetize that.

5350
03:13:09,160 --> 03:13:10,600
And they're going to they're going to

5351
03:13:10,600 --> 03:13:11,760
their sales people are going to go to

5352
03:13:11,760 --> 03:13:12,760
the police department and they're going

5353
03:13:12,760 --> 03:13:14,880
to say, "Would you like to do X and Y?"

5354
03:13:14,880 --> 03:13:17,080
They're not going to do it gratis.

5355
03:13:17,080 --> 03:13:19,120
There have been iterations of Flock

5356
03:13:19,120 --> 03:13:20,840
through the years with I've seen with

5357
03:13:20,840 --> 03:13:22,840
several of my cities and clients that I

5358
03:13:22,840 --> 03:13:24,360
have do work with.

5359
03:13:24,360 --> 03:13:26,080
They've never once given any new

5360
03:13:26,080 --> 03:13:27,960
features free. They do updates all the

5361
03:13:27,960 --> 03:13:30,800
time. Security patches, glitches, that

5362
03:13:30,800 --> 03:13:32,040
kind of thing. But in terms of new

5363
03:13:32,040 --> 03:13:34,040
technology, we will know when it occurs

5364
03:13:34,040 --> 03:13:36,040
cuz they will say for you know, X more

5365
03:13:36,040 --> 03:13:37,800
amount of month, you can have this as

5366
03:13:37,800 --> 03:13:38,880
well.

5367
03:13:38,880 --> 03:13:39,560
>> It makes sense.

5368
03:13:39,560 --> 03:13:40,960
>> new feature for speed that they're

5369
03:13:40,960 --> 03:13:42,680
trying to sell me on a few months ago

5370
03:13:42,680 --> 03:13:44,720
and I didn't want to pay for it.

5371
03:13:44,720 --> 03:13:46,960
>> And the other thing, too, is that would

5372
03:13:46,960 --> 03:13:48,920
be picked up, in theory, by an auditing

5373
03:13:48,920 --> 03:13:50,120
committee.

5374
03:13:50,120 --> 03:13:50,760
That's why

5375
03:13:50,760 --> 03:13:52,080
>> And I think that the expansion of

5376
03:13:52,080 --> 03:13:54,120
features like like that is again

5377
03:13:54,120 --> 03:13:55,760
something that we are requesting that we

5378
03:13:55,760 --> 03:13:57,440
be notified of if there is ever anything

5379
03:13:57,440 --> 03:13:59,760
that takes place like that, rather than

5380
03:13:59,760 --> 03:14:01,240
us having to explain to the community

5381
03:14:01,240 --> 03:14:03,760
after the fact, like these five cameras.

5382
03:14:03,760 --> 03:14:05,360
>> What they charge for that kind of stuff,

5383
03:14:05,360 --> 03:14:07,000
it would need council approval.

5384
03:14:07,000 --> 03:14:08,880
>> Okay. Good to know.

5385
03:14:08,880 --> 03:14:09,720
>> Yeah.

5386
03:14:09,720 --> 03:14:10,960
>> Any other thoughts before I put it out

5387
03:14:10,960 --> 03:14:11,720
to the public?

5388
03:14:11,720 --> 03:14:12,680
>> Last question.

5389
03:14:12,680 --> 03:14:13,400
>> Oh, go for it.

5390
03:14:13,400 --> 03:14:16,270
>> For Chief.

5391
03:14:16,280 --> 03:14:18,960
Do you think the use of Flock cameras

5392
03:14:18,960 --> 03:14:21,920
since 2023 has benefited the city of

5393
03:14:21,920 --> 03:14:22,800
Escalon?

5394
03:14:22,800 --> 03:14:25,990
>> Undoubtedly, yes.

5395
03:14:26,000 --> 03:14:27,720
» I wouldn't argue that.

5396
03:14:27,720 --> 03:14:29,880
What I'm looking at is

5397
03:14:29,880 --> 03:14:30,560
>> Mission creep.

5398
03:14:30,560 --> 03:14:32,200
>> Yeah, mission creep.

5399
03:14:32,200 --> 03:14:33,960
>> Well, I I understand that, guys, but if

5400
03:14:33,960 --> 03:14:35,480
you carry a cell phone, they already

5401
03:14:35,480 --> 03:14:38,560
know where you're at. So, where's the balance?

5402
03:14:38,560 --> 03:14:41,000
>> You can put it down and it's private and

5403
03:14:41,000 --> 03:14:42,760
it's an option and this is not an

5404
03:14:42,760 --> 03:14:43,920
option.

5405
03:14:43,920 --> 03:14:45,520
That's the difference. The difference is

5406
03:14:45,520 --> 03:14:47,840
the government is surveilling you

5407
03:14:47,840 --> 03:14:49,640
instead of you surveilling yourself.

5408
03:14:49,640 --> 03:14:51,000
>> I I agreed to these terms and

5409
03:14:51,000 --> 03:14:52,560
conditions. I did not agree to you to

5410
03:14:52,560 --> 03:14:53,680
the terms and conditions of Chief

5411
03:14:53,680 --> 03:14:54,760
knowing every time I come in and out of

5412
03:14:54,760 --> 03:14:55,480
town.

5413
03:14:55,480 --> 03:14:56,320
>> Yeah. No.

5414
03:14:56,320 --> 03:14:57,160
>> That's the difference.

5415
03:14:57,160 --> 03:14:57,960
>> That's it.

5416
03:14:57,960 --> 03:14:59,920
>> Um are you okay with me putting it out?

5417
03:14:59,920 --> 03:15:00,400
>> Sure.

5418
03:15:00,400 --> 03:15:02,200
>> Uh public, uh anyone in the public would

5419
03:15:02,200 --> 03:15:04,984
like to speak to this situation.

5420
03:15:04,984 --> 03:15:06,040
>> [cough and clears throat]

5421
03:15:06,040 --> 03:15:08,120
>> Excuse me.

5422
03:15:08,120 --> 03:15:10,640
>> I would Um Chief, I got a question.

5423
03:15:10,640 --> 03:15:11,000
>> Mhm.

5424
03:15:11,000 --> 03:15:12,760
>> Last month we had a

5425
03:15:12,760 --> 03:15:16,080
182 hits, right? Or leads, correct?

5426
03:15:16,080 --> 03:15:16,400
>> Yes.

5427
03:15:16,400 --> 03:15:18,520
>> And two hits, correct?

5428
03:15:18,520 --> 03:15:19,360
>> Uh

5429
03:15:19,360 --> 03:15:20,560
we still have four hits, I'm pretty

5430
03:15:20,560 --> 03:15:20,920
sure.

5431
03:15:20,920 --> 03:15:22,360
>> Yeah, that sounds about right.

5432
03:15:22,360 --> 03:15:24,560
>> And so, were were those investigated?

5433
03:15:24,560 --> 03:15:25,800
Were those cited? What what happened

5434
03:15:25,800 --> 03:15:26,920
with those?

5435
03:15:26,920 --> 03:15:27,960
Cuz my whole thing is if we're only

5436
03:15:27,960 --> 03:15:31,240
using it for stolen vehicles, right?

5437
03:15:31,240 --> 03:15:32,400
How much are we paying for that a month

5438
03:15:32,400 --> 03:15:34,200
and is it really necessary? If it was

5439
03:15:34,200 --> 03:15:35,640
just two hits, they can't even cuz you

5440
03:15:35,640 --> 03:15:37,080
don't even go after the stolen license

5441
03:15:37,080 --> 03:15:38,800
plate hits, right? What are the

5442
03:15:38,800 --> 03:15:40,200
benefits?

5443
03:15:40,200 --> 03:15:43,120
>> So, if you look at the total hits

5444
03:15:43,120 --> 03:15:45,880
>> It was 180 or 852,000.

5445
03:15:45,880 --> 03:15:48,040
>> That's total hits. Most of those are

5446
03:15:48,040 --> 03:15:50,520
stolen license plates. We don't like I

5447
03:15:50,520 --> 03:15:52,800
said, like I explained, going after

5448
03:15:52,800 --> 03:15:55,200
stolen license plates, they're

5449
03:15:55,200 --> 03:15:57,640
there's the error the margin of error in

5450
03:15:57,640 --> 03:15:58,840
not getting the right vehicle is so

5451
03:15:58,840 --> 03:16:00,920
high, we don't even go after them. The

5452
03:16:00,920 --> 03:16:03,080
stolen vehicle, we will go after. The

5453
03:16:03,080 --> 03:16:04,760
benefit is not just for the stolen

5454
03:16:04,760 --> 03:16:06,920
vehicles, it is for the investigative

5455
03:16:06,920 --> 03:16:10,120
tool where I mean, if you look at the

5456
03:16:10,120 --> 03:16:12,440
report, I did indicate in this report

5457
03:16:12,440 --> 03:16:13,920
and of there were three cases where

5458
03:16:13,920 --> 03:16:15,920
health yards were used. One of them we

5459
03:16:15,920 --> 03:16:17,960
actually identified the person that

5460
03:16:17,960 --> 03:16:20,440
stole a bike and uh

5461
03:16:20,440 --> 03:16:22,360
we know who they are. We're seeking a

5462
03:16:22,360 --> 03:16:24,000
warrant for their arrest. There's

5463
03:16:24,000 --> 03:16:26,920
another one where we've identified the

5464
03:16:26,920 --> 03:16:28,400
vehicle.

5465
03:16:28,400 --> 03:16:30,920
We identified We identified the vehicle,

5466
03:16:30,920 --> 03:16:32,520
we just couldn't tie a person to the

5467
03:16:32,520 --> 03:16:35,320
crime. So, we don't just get the license

5468
03:16:35,320 --> 03:16:37,160
plate, say, "Okay, this is the vehicle,

5469
03:16:37,160 --> 03:16:38,440
this is the license plate, we're going

5470
03:16:38,440 --> 03:16:40,560
to go arrest the owner for a crime."

5471
03:16:40,560 --> 03:16:42,560
It's We got the license plate. Now, this

5472
03:16:42,560 --> 03:16:44,160
is an investigative tool. We can use

5473
03:16:44,160 --> 03:16:46,160
this to see which people had access to

5474
03:16:46,160 --> 03:16:48,960
this vehicle at the time of the crime to

5475
03:16:48,960 --> 03:16:50,480
see if we can tie an actual person to

5476
03:16:50,480 --> 03:16:51,920
the crime. No, I I get that. I

5477
03:16:51,920 --> 03:16:55,240
understand that. What I'm I guess

5478
03:16:55,240 --> 03:16:58,760
Just based off July, though, right?

5479
03:16:58,760 --> 03:17:00,880
There was 182 hits, which means illegal

5480
03:17:00,880 --> 03:17:02,360
activity, correct?

5481
03:17:02,360 --> 03:17:04,080
>> So, a hit is an alert.

5482
03:17:04,080 --> 03:17:05,840
>> Right. Well, well, I'm just saying. So,

5483
03:17:05,840 --> 03:17:07,600
>> The hits are the hot list hits. Those

5484
03:17:07,600 --> 03:17:09,760
are not officer searches.

5485
03:17:09,760 --> 03:17:11,040
>> So, it's just that What I'm saying is

5486
03:17:11,040 --> 03:17:12,120
that I'm pretty sure there was only two

5487
03:17:12,120 --> 03:17:13,960
stolen vehicle scans last month.

5488
03:17:13,960 --> 03:17:14,360
>> Correct.

5489
03:17:14,360 --> 03:17:17,080
>> Right. So, what came of those two hits?

5490
03:17:17,080 --> 03:17:17,760
>> Uh

5491
03:17:17,760 --> 03:17:19,400
the vehicles were not located.

5492
03:17:19,400 --> 03:17:22,240
>> So, nothing, right? So, the whole month

5493
03:17:22,240 --> 03:17:23,360
we used those cameras just to watch

5494
03:17:23,360 --> 03:17:25,320
people coming in and out of town or

5495
03:17:25,320 --> 03:17:27,200
Well, what last What I'm asking is like

5496
03:17:27,200 --> 03:17:33,200
month. Like last month for instance. And like your little screenshot with that data right there. Are those

5497
03:17:33,200 --> 03:17:34,680
tied directly to you the use of Flock

5498
03:17:34,680 --> 03:17:35,400
cameras?

5499
03:17:35,400 --> 03:17:36,160
>> Uh

5500
03:17:36,160 --> 03:17:38,880
the ones for 2024 are.

5501
03:17:38,880 --> 03:17:39,880
>> So, every one of those arrests were tied

5502
03:17:39,880 --> 03:17:41,040
directly from the use of our Flock

5503
03:17:41,040 --> 03:17:41,520
cameras.

5504
03:17:41,520 --> 03:17:43,480
>> I'm not going to say every one of them,

5505
03:17:43,480 --> 03:17:46,520
but if you if you can see it's threefold

5506
03:17:46,520 --> 03:17:48,520
from the year prior and the only

5507
03:17:48,520 --> 03:17:51,200
difference is we got the Flock cameras.

5508
03:17:51,200 --> 03:17:53,440
And I know the first year

5509
03:17:53,440 --> 03:18:00,240
we had them, we were running hard cuz I had I got a couple of the stolen

5510
03:18:00,240 --> 03:18:01,800
vehicles cuz every time we got an alert,

5511
03:18:01,800 --> 03:18:03,120
we would respond to them and we would

5512
03:18:03,120 --> 03:18:05,280
respond to the vehicle respond to the

5513
03:18:05,280 --> 03:18:07,760
stolen vehicle alerts when we can.

5514
03:18:07,760 --> 03:18:09,680
Again, we had two two alerts for stolen

5515
03:18:09,680 --> 03:18:10,920
vehicles.

5516
03:18:10,920 --> 03:18:13,440
If I'm busy on a call, if let's say you

5517
03:18:13,440 --> 03:18:15,080
got your

5518
03:18:15,080 --> 03:18:16,680
something happened, I'm taking a report

5519
03:18:16,680 --> 03:18:18,880
from you. I get an alert, oh we got a

5520
03:18:18,880 --> 03:18:20,360
stolen vehicle coming into town on

5521
03:18:20,360 --> 03:18:22,880
Highway 120. I'm not going to break what

5522
03:18:22,880 --> 03:18:25,440
I'm doing with you to go chase down the

5523
03:18:25,440 --> 03:18:27,800
stolen car which I might not find. And

5524
03:18:27,800 --> 03:18:29,280
the hits, just because it's a hit

5525
03:18:29,280 --> 03:18:31,040
doesn't mean it's a good hit. As he

5526
03:18:31,040 --> 03:18:33,520
said, the license plate it's reading

5527
03:18:33,520 --> 03:18:35,000
does not mean it's the license plate

5528
03:18:35,000 --> 03:18:36,960
that it was. There are several times,

5529
03:18:36,960 --> 03:18:38,560
like I said, I would say at least one in

5530
03:18:38,560 --> 03:18:41,760
nine. 30% seems kind of high, but if you

5531
03:18:41,760 --> 03:18:43,600
said 10 to 15%

5532
03:18:43,600 --> 03:18:44,400
>> that was

5533
03:18:44,400 --> 03:18:46,560
>> I wouldn't lie or I wouldn't argue with

5534
03:18:46,560 --> 03:18:49,400
that because there are times you see the

5535
03:18:49,400 --> 03:18:50,920
license plate what it read, you see the

5536
03:18:50,920 --> 03:18:52,800
license plate and you're like, oh it

5537
03:18:52,800 --> 03:18:54,520
read a three and it should be an eight

5538
03:18:54,520 --> 03:18:56,640
or it read an S when it should be an E.

5539
03:18:56,640 --> 03:18:58,760
And you you look at it and it registered

5540
03:18:58,760 --> 03:19:00,600
as a hit, but it wasn't a hit and you

5541
03:19:00,600 --> 03:19:01,920
can disregard it and you don't even have

5542
03:19:01,920 --> 03:19:02,320
to go out.

5543
03:19:02,320 --> 03:19:03,600
>> Right, I'm not I'm not questioning what

5544
03:19:03,600 --> 03:19:04,840
you're doing your job right or what's

5545
03:19:04,840 --> 03:19:06,520
wrong. My question is from what people

5546
03:19:06,520 --> 03:19:08,240
I've heard talk to you is are they

5547
03:19:08,240 --> 03:19:10,120
really necessary?

5548
03:19:10,120 --> 03:19:13,280
Are they a necessity for our town?

5549
03:19:13,280 --> 03:19:15,120
And compared to how much I mean we how

5550
03:19:15,120 --> 03:19:16,400
much do they cost a month to run? How

5551
03:19:16,400 --> 03:19:18,120
much does the software cost? You know,

5552
03:19:18,120 --> 03:19:19,640
people are just I mean just assuming

5553
03:19:19,640 --> 03:19:21,520
like are they a real necessity? Do we

5554
03:19:21,520 --> 03:19:23,040
really need those here? I mean, if

5555
03:19:23,040 --> 03:19:24,120
you're going down that highway in there

5556
03:19:24,120 --> 03:19:25,400
in Manteca, you're going down there,

5557
03:19:25,400 --> 03:19:26,640
they're in Oakdale. You're going this

5558
03:19:26,640 --> 03:19:27,760
way, they're in Modesto. I mean, are

5559
03:19:27,760 --> 03:19:29,680
they really a necessity here in town?

5560
03:19:29,680 --> 03:19:32,400
>> Each camera is about $2,400

5561
03:19:32,400 --> 03:19:33,640
per year.

5562
03:19:33,640 --> 03:19:37,680
And we close We close a lot more cases

5563
03:19:37,680 --> 03:19:40,040
now than we have using Flock. We Like I

5564
03:19:40,040 --> 03:19:41,320
said, we

5565
03:19:41,320 --> 03:19:43,600
just last month there was a stolen bike

5566
03:19:43,600 --> 03:19:45,520
or two stolen bikes that we were able to

5567
03:19:45,520 --> 03:19:47,440
identify the suspects actually two

5568
03:19:47,440 --> 03:19:48,800
suspects and get warrants for their

5569
03:19:48,800 --> 03:19:51,440
arrest. And I would say at least every

5570
03:19:51,440 --> 03:19:53,840
month there's probably a case that we

5571
03:19:53,840 --> 03:19:55,960
solved and identified suspects based off

5572
03:19:55,960 --> 03:19:57,680
of Flock cameras.

5573
03:19:57,680 --> 03:19:59,120
>> Okay.

5574
03:19:59,120 --> 03:20:01,120
That's my question.

5575
03:20:01,120 --> 03:20:01,840
>> Thank you.

5576
03:20:01,840 --> 03:20:04,968
>> Uh next person

5577
03:20:04,978 --> 03:20:07,510
» [clears throat and cough]

5578
03:20:07,520 --> 03:20:10,720
» Uh the community I came from

5579
03:20:10,720 --> 03:20:13,200
Mr. Mayor, they not only stole your damn

5580
03:20:13,200 --> 03:20:14,760
sandwich, but they probably stole your

5581
03:20:14,760 --> 03:20:16,360
truck.

5582
03:20:16,360 --> 03:20:18,000
So they could take it home, you know? So

5583
03:20:18,000 --> 03:20:19,200
I just

5584
03:20:19,200 --> 03:20:21,280
you got to put up some safeguards and I

5585
03:20:21,280 --> 03:20:22,880
understand there's got to be oversight

5586
03:20:22,880 --> 03:20:25,200
and all that kind of stuff, but I'm 100%

5587
03:20:25,200 --> 03:20:27,400
behind the chief in the in the use of

5588
03:20:27,400 --> 03:20:30,280
whatever kind of technology that's

5589
03:20:30,280 --> 03:20:32,560
within reason and I think this is within

5590
03:20:32,560 --> 03:20:33,560
reason.

5591
03:20:33,560 --> 03:20:34,520
So

5592
03:20:34,520 --> 03:20:36,480
I'm all for you and I'm all for law

5593
03:20:36,480 --> 03:20:37,920
enforcement

5594
03:20:37,920 --> 03:20:40,160
and keep this community safe. It's a

5595
03:20:40,160 --> 03:20:41,000
nice little place.

5596
03:20:41,000 --> 03:20:42,880
>> It is. It is.

5597
03:20:42,880 --> 03:20:44,200
Glad you're part of it now.

5598
03:20:44,200 --> 03:20:45,520
>> Thank you all. You're doing a great job

5599
03:20:45,520 --> 03:20:46,880
in

5600
03:20:46,880 --> 03:20:52,150
>> Uh ooh, there's Sherry coming up.

5601
03:20:52,160 --> 03:20:53,560
» Um

5602
03:20:53,560 --> 03:20:55,413
first of all

5603
03:20:55,413 --> 03:20:56,400
>> [clears throat]

5604
03:20:56,400 --> 03:20:58,360
>> I don't know about your three things,

5605
03:20:58,360 --> 03:20:59,880
you know, and the and the citizen

5606
03:20:59,880 --> 03:21:01,760
oversight. I I think really you could

5607
03:21:01,760 --> 03:21:04,160
probably accomplish what you want to do

5608
03:21:04,160 --> 03:21:06,080
very easily just by

5609
03:21:06,080 --> 03:21:08,360
codifying it. In other words, the

5610
03:21:08,360 --> 03:21:10,760
cameras we have, that's what we have.

5611
03:21:10,760 --> 03:21:13,280
There will be and then state no cameras

5612
03:21:13,280 --> 03:21:16,800
within, you know, residential areas. Um

5613
03:21:16,800 --> 03:21:20,200
no audio ever to be done, no facial

5614
03:21:20,200 --> 03:21:22,280
recognition. You can be done within

5615
03:21:22,280 --> 03:21:24,080
codes. You know what I'm saying? I mean,

5616
03:21:24,080 --> 03:21:26,160
we could do that. You you you all can do

5617
03:21:26,160 --> 03:21:28,400
that. You can put those codes on this

5618
03:21:28,400 --> 03:21:32,160
system and problem solved as far as

5619
03:21:32,160 --> 03:21:33,800
what can be done in the future. We've

5620
03:21:33,800 --> 03:21:36,160
already codified it. The where we have

5621
03:21:36,160 --> 03:21:38,160
the cameras, quite frankly, I think

5622
03:21:38,160 --> 03:21:40,040
they're wonderful. And being a grandma

5623
03:21:40,040 --> 03:21:41,840
with small children, I think they're

5624
03:21:41,840 --> 03:21:46,440
awesome. Um, I'm behind it 1,000%. Not

5625
03:21:46,440 --> 03:21:48,440
on my street.

5626
03:21:48,440 --> 03:21:50,640
Cuz it's my private street. It's like I

5627
03:21:50,640 --> 03:21:53,160
have cameras on the outside of my home.

5628
03:21:53,160 --> 03:21:55,280
I don't have cameras inside my home. So,

5629
03:21:55,280 --> 03:21:58,000
it's the same kind of concept. So, just

5630
03:21:58,000 --> 03:21:59,160
codify it. I mean

5631
03:21:59,160 --> 03:22:00,240
>> Well, that's kind of what I'm getting

5632
03:22:00,240 --> 03:22:00,560
at.

5633
03:22:00,560 --> 03:22:03,840
>> Yeah, so just codify it. I mean, it's very simple. Just say, "What we

5634
03:22:03,840 --> 03:22:06,200
have now on the major arteries, those

5635
03:22:06,200 --> 03:22:07,960
are the cameras that we're going to use.

5636
03:22:07,960 --> 03:22:09,360
You know, keep them updated, keep

5637
03:22:09,360 --> 03:22:11,480
updating the software, whatever needs to

5638
03:22:11,480 --> 03:22:13,840
be." Then also put in the code, "No

5639
03:22:13,840 --> 03:22:17,200
audio, no facial recognition."

5640
03:22:17,200 --> 03:22:18,960
You know, if if something comes down in

5641
03:22:18,960 --> 03:22:20,160
the future and then there's going to

5642
03:22:20,160 --> 03:22:22,040
have to be a fight in this room over

5643
03:22:22,040 --> 03:22:23,680
changing it. You see what I'm saying?

5644
03:22:23,680 --> 03:22:27,040
That would be really simple to do. Um,

5645
03:22:27,040 --> 03:22:30,160
if you do pursue citizen oversight, I I

5646
03:22:30,160 --> 03:22:31,680
want to make sure that they're not like

5647
03:22:31,680 --> 03:22:32,920
looking at the cameras, they're not

5648
03:22:32,920 --> 03:22:34,280
looking at information, they're not

5649
03:22:34,280 --> 03:22:35,640
looking, they're just looking at data.

5650
03:22:35,640 --> 03:22:36,640
Is that correct?

5651
03:22:36,640 --> 03:22:37,440
>> Correct.

5652
03:22:37,440 --> 03:22:38,320
>> If you

5653
03:22:38,320 --> 03:22:40,080
choose and you have to go that way, I'll

5654
03:22:40,080 --> 03:22:42,640
volunteer. But, um, otherwise, I I think

5655
03:22:42,640 --> 03:22:45,000
you can do it within code. I really do.

5656
03:22:45,000 --> 03:22:45,720
>> I

5657
03:22:45,720 --> 03:22:47,440
think you can in theory to a certain

5658
03:22:47,440 --> 03:22:49,480
extent, but

5659
03:22:49,480 --> 03:22:53,960
Um, anyone else?

5660
03:22:53,970 --> 03:22:55,040
» [clears throat]

5661
03:22:55,040 --> 03:22:57,000
>> Excuse me.

5662
03:22:57,000 --> 03:22:58,760
>> Cassie.

5663
03:22:58,760 --> 03:23:01,920
>> Um, yeah, I have some questions. Uh,

5664
03:23:01,920 --> 03:23:03,680
you say that we only have access to this

5665
03:23:03,680 --> 03:23:06,200
data. Correct? Where's stored? On the

5666
03:23:06,200 --> 03:23:08,000
cloud?

5667
03:23:08,000 --> 03:23:09,520
But, the company has access to it.

5668
03:23:09,520 --> 03:23:11,320
Correct?

5669
03:23:11,320 --> 03:23:11,880
>> Well, I mean

5670
03:23:11,880 --> 03:23:14,480
>> What I read online. Anybody who works

5671
03:23:14,480 --> 03:23:17,400
there can technically access that data.

5672
03:23:17,400 --> 03:23:18,000
>> Right.

5673
03:23:18,000 --> 03:23:19,960
>> And they all answer to their investors,

5674
03:23:19,960 --> 03:23:21,840
correct?

5675
03:23:21,840 --> 03:23:23,560
>> Well, they answer to their

5676
03:23:23,560 --> 03:23:24,800
>> They have multiple investors.

5677
03:23:24,800 --> 03:23:26,320
>> Well, they also have customers and if

5678
03:23:26,320 --> 03:23:28,560
they started doing that, then again, one

5679
03:23:28,560 --> 03:23:30,880
of the reasons that Flock became so

5680
03:23:30,880 --> 03:23:34,120
popular in law enforcement field was

5681
03:23:34,120 --> 03:23:36,200
their uh

5682
03:23:36,200 --> 03:23:38,720
their dedication to law enforcement and

5683
03:23:38,720 --> 03:23:42,520
Vigilant is a commercial company. They

5684
03:23:42,520 --> 03:23:45,200
do sell They do sell their data. They do

5685
03:23:45,200 --> 03:23:46,400
monetize their data. They do

5686
03:23:46,400 --> 03:23:49,120
commercialize their data. Flock

5687
03:23:49,120 --> 03:23:51,760
does not. Are they lying?

5688
03:23:51,760 --> 03:23:53,080
It's a possibility.

5689
03:23:53,080 --> 03:23:53,280
>> Yeah.

5690
03:23:53,280 --> 03:23:54,360
>> But

5691
03:23:54,360 --> 03:23:55,880
why would they do that? And then they're

5692
03:23:55,880 --> 03:23:57,480
going to ruin their credibility and

5693
03:23:57,480 --> 03:24:00,200
everybody's going to flee to another

5694
03:24:00,200 --> 03:24:01,880
company. Again, there's another company

5695
03:24:01,880 --> 03:24:03,720
that's starting up trying to draw

5696
03:24:03,720 --> 03:24:05,120
business from Flock. I can't remember

5697
03:24:05,120 --> 03:24:06,560
their name, but there is a third company

5698
03:24:06,560 --> 03:24:07,640
now getting in the mix.

5699
03:24:07,640 --> 03:24:09,920
>> Got it. I'm just saying that there is

5700
03:24:09,920 --> 03:24:12,680
room for that kind of stuff to happen.

5701
03:24:12,680 --> 03:24:15,240
And it I feel like it was

5702
03:24:15,240 --> 03:24:16,960
which I get you feel like it's very

5703
03:24:16,960 --> 03:24:18,200
safe.

5704
03:24:18,200 --> 03:24:20,960
But there is room for it to not be.

5705
03:24:20,960 --> 03:24:23,120
Cuz you have this data that you're

5706
03:24:23,120 --> 03:24:25,000
collecting from our community that we

5707
03:24:25,000 --> 03:24:27,600
didn't agree to

5708
03:24:27,600 --> 03:24:28,760
out

5709
03:24:28,760 --> 03:24:29,760
and about.

5710
03:24:29,760 --> 03:24:31,280
>> But also, there are no laws that

5711
03:24:31,280 --> 03:24:32,680
prohibit private companies from

5712
03:24:32,680 --> 03:24:35,280
collecting LPR data. So, let's say we

5713
03:24:35,280 --> 03:24:37,560
didn't have cameras and Flock decided to

5714
03:24:37,560 --> 03:24:38,720
Okay, we're going to make it We're going

5715
03:24:38,720 --> 03:24:41,400
to do We're going to go We're going to

5716
03:24:41,400 --> 03:24:42,640
follow the Vigilant model. We're going

5717
03:24:42,640 --> 03:24:44,760
to do commercial Flock. Flock as a

5718
03:24:44,760 --> 03:24:47,640
company could just put up cameras that

5719
03:24:47,640 --> 03:24:49,920
we're not purchasing, collect that data,

5720
03:24:49,920 --> 03:24:51,640
and then sell that data to us.

5721
03:24:51,640 --> 03:24:52,880
>> Which I mean, I get, but that's not

5722
03:24:52,880 --> 03:24:54,920
something that we can control, right?

5723
03:24:54,920 --> 03:24:57,280
Th- This is something that we can have a

5724
03:24:57,280 --> 03:24:59,160
conversation about and control.

5725
03:24:59,160 --> 03:24:59,520
>> Right.

5726
03:24:59,520 --> 03:25:00,800
>> I'm about controlling things I can

5727
03:25:00,800 --> 03:25:02,800
control and not the things that I can't

5728
03:25:02,800 --> 03:25:04,760
control, cuz I'll go crazy.

5729
03:25:04,760 --> 03:25:06,760
So,

5730
03:25:06,760 --> 03:25:09,560
I do have a problem with private

5731
03:25:09,560 --> 03:25:13,120
companies having access to data

5732
03:25:13,120 --> 03:25:14,600
um

5733
03:25:14,600 --> 03:25:16,880
in our community. I mean, I told my

5734
03:25:16,880 --> 03:25:18,040
6-year-old daughter, she goes, "Where

5735
03:25:18,040 --> 03:25:20,040
are you going? Why are you dressed up?

5736
03:25:20,040 --> 03:25:21,160
Where are you going?"

5737
03:25:21,160 --> 03:25:23,520
I said, "Oh, I'm going to go talk to the

5738
03:25:23,520 --> 03:25:25,720
city cuz you know,

5739
03:25:25,720 --> 03:25:26,920
we got these cameras that I don't really

5740
03:25:26,920 --> 03:25:29,000
appreciate." And she goes,

5741
03:25:29,000 --> 03:25:31,360
"There are cameras watching me in my

5742
03:25:31,360 --> 03:25:33,280
city?" And I'm all, I mean, even the

5743
03:25:33,280 --> 03:25:35,480
6-year-old gets it, right?

5744
03:25:35,480 --> 03:25:41,000
So, I want to make sure that

5745
03:25:41,000 --> 03:25:42,120
people who shouldn't have our

5746
03:25:42,120 --> 03:25:44,160
information don't have our information.

5747
03:25:44,160 --> 03:25:47,360
And I feel like if

5748
03:25:47,360 --> 03:25:49,520
we're putting up cameras,

5749
03:25:49,520 --> 03:25:51,560
we're allowing other people into our

5750
03:25:51,560 --> 03:25:53,040
lives that

5751
03:25:53,040 --> 03:25:55,360
don't necessarily need to be there.

5752
03:25:55,360 --> 03:25:58,280
If it was going just directly to you,

5753
03:25:58,280 --> 03:26:00,680
fine, but it's not. It's it's out there

5754
03:26:00,680 --> 03:26:03,720
for everybody. And I don't I don't like

5755
03:26:03,720 --> 03:26:06,000
that. And

5756
03:26:06,000 --> 03:26:07,160
uh

5757
03:26:07,160 --> 03:26:09,440
I mean, as far as police officers using

5758
03:26:09,440 --> 03:26:10,720
it,

5759
03:26:10,720 --> 03:26:11,960
I mean,

5760
03:26:11,960 --> 03:26:14,920
those victim numbers are the ones you

5761
03:26:14,920 --> 03:26:17,560
guys caught, right? I mean, as far as

5762
03:26:17,560 --> 03:26:19,280
police officers misusing, I'm sure

5763
03:26:19,280 --> 03:26:21,440
there's way more than that. I personally

5764
03:26:21,440 --> 03:26:24,520
have been a victim of a police officer

5765
03:26:24,520 --> 03:26:26,280
doing things that they shouldn't do, and

5766
03:26:26,280 --> 03:26:27,880
I know it happens.

5767
03:26:27,880 --> 03:26:29,440
And I'm sure there are many more that

5768
03:26:29,440 --> 03:26:30,920
aren't caught. I'm not saying you guys

5769
03:26:30,920 --> 03:26:32,280
are doing that.

5770
03:26:32,280 --> 03:26:33,840
But I'm just saying

5771
03:26:33,840 --> 03:26:35,920
I agree that guardrails absolutely need

5772
03:26:35,920 --> 03:26:37,720
to be put on this

5773
03:26:37,720 --> 03:26:40,960
if we do keep them up.

5774
03:26:40,960 --> 03:26:41,720
Thank you guys for listening.

5775
03:26:41,720 --> 03:26:43,200
>> Thanks for your input.

5776
03:26:43,200 --> 03:26:46,550
Any- anyone else?

5777
03:26:46,560 --> 03:26:49,270
Online?

5778
03:26:49,280 --> 03:26:51,600
Bring back to the dais. Um

5779
03:26:51,600 --> 03:26:53,720
anyone else have any other thoughts or

5780
03:26:53,720 --> 03:26:56,000
>> Had a one quick question for for Chief

5781
03:26:56,000 --> 03:26:58,280
that uh she just sparked for me.

5782
03:26:58,280 --> 03:26:58,480
It'd [clears throat and cough] be a

5783
03:26:58,480 --> 03:26:59,720
violation of their contract if they

5784
03:26:59,720 --> 03:27:02,080
started selling it pri- privately,

5785
03:27:02,080 --> 03:27:02,840
right?

5786
03:27:02,840 --> 03:27:03,760
>> Most likely, yeah.

5787
03:27:03,760 --> 03:27:04,800
>> I mean, I would be sure there's

5788
03:27:04,800 --> 03:27:06,600
something in that contract that that

5789
03:27:06,600 --> 03:27:07,360
states

5790
03:27:07,360 --> 03:27:07,760
>> Yeah.

5791
03:27:07,760 --> 03:27:09,800
>> uh for governmental protection, right?

5792
03:27:09,800 --> 03:27:10,880
So, they would be violating their

5793
03:27:10,880 --> 03:27:12,880
contract if they went sold the uh the

5794
03:27:12,880 --> 03:27:14,480
data to an outside entity that was not

5795
03:27:14,480 --> 03:27:16,760
law enforcement. So, uh you know, aside

5796
03:27:16,760 --> 03:27:18,240
from that, you know, as far as getting

5797
03:27:18,240 --> 03:27:19,680
hacked or or any you know, I mean, every

5798
03:27:19,680 --> 03:27:21,480
device that we carry, the the Ring

5799
03:27:21,480 --> 03:27:23,800
cameras on our houses, uh you can't walk

5800
03:27:23,800 --> 03:27:24,960
down the street without being recorded

5801
03:27:24,960 --> 03:27:26,600
by something that can absolutely be

5802
03:27:26,600 --> 03:27:28,720
being hacked and be be tracing you. We

5803
03:27:28,720 --> 03:27:30,720
just want to ensure that as a government

5804
03:27:30,720 --> 03:27:34,000
that we are not doing any more than what

5805
03:27:34,000 --> 03:27:35,400
we feel is uh

5806
03:27:35,400 --> 03:27:38,000
absolutely necessary for the community.

5807
03:27:38,000 --> 03:27:40,320
Um the only other thing that uh I really

5808
03:27:40,320 --> 03:27:43,760
have um I I wonder if rather than us

5809
03:27:43,760 --> 03:27:45,600
establishing a committee, would we maybe

5810
03:27:45,600 --> 03:27:48,440
be better to just have an annual update

5811
03:27:48,440 --> 03:27:50,520
or a biannual update,

5812
03:27:50,520 --> 03:27:51,720
uh you know, from the chief where he

5813
03:27:51,720 --> 03:27:53,520
brings the the information in here and

5814
03:27:53,520 --> 03:27:54,720
it shows it to the community the same

5815
03:27:54,720 --> 03:27:56,560
way they did tonight?

5816
03:27:56,560 --> 03:27:58,000
>> Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't be against

5817
03:27:58,000 --> 03:27:58,320
that.

5818
03:27:58,320 --> 03:27:59,520
>> And the only reason I mentioned that is

5819
03:27:59,520 --> 03:28:01,160
that we've had such a hard time filling

5820
03:28:01,160 --> 03:28:03,280
our Measure P committee. Uh you know, I

5821
03:28:03,280 --> 03:28:05,000
don't know how many uh you know,

5822
03:28:05,000 --> 03:28:07,200
volunteers we're going to get for this.

5823
03:28:07,200 --> 03:28:08,440
>> I mean, I wouldn't necessarily be

5824
03:28:08,440 --> 03:28:10,480
against it as long as

5825
03:28:10,480 --> 03:28:11,840
if we're getting the answers we need to

5826
03:28:11,840 --> 03:28:14,520
get and there's no confusion, like it's

5827
03:28:14,520 --> 03:28:16,880
a streamline process. I know Chief knows

5828
03:28:16,880 --> 03:28:18,720
what he's talking about and doing. I

5829
03:28:18,720 --> 03:28:20,320
just I'm [clears throat] looking at more

5830
03:28:20,320 --> 03:28:22,280
the future of how it could potentially

5831
03:28:22,280 --> 03:28:24,960
go and it could be a real slippery slope

5832
03:28:24,960 --> 03:28:28,400
and you know, we could be talking about

5833
03:28:28,400 --> 03:28:30,920
uh going sideways real quick, you know,

5834
03:28:30,920 --> 03:28:33,040
with that kind of stuff. So,

5835
03:28:33,040 --> 03:28:35,080
But but to that point, Mr. I think

5836
03:28:35,080 --> 03:28:37,200
Sherry [clears throat] brings up a

5837
03:28:37,200 --> 03:28:39,400
very valid point and

5838
03:28:39,400 --> 03:28:41,440
put it in the Escalon Municipal Code.

5839
03:28:41,440 --> 03:28:41,880
Make

5840
03:28:41,880 --> 03:28:43,200
>> Well, that's what I'm talk That's what I

5841
03:28:43,200 --> 03:28:46,800
was trying to get to is that

5842
03:28:46,800 --> 03:28:48,440
I would

5843
03:28:48,440 --> 03:28:49,680
Is everyone done talking?

5844
03:28:49,680 --> 03:28:50,720
>> No.

5845
03:28:50,720 --> 03:28:52,480
Okay. Um

5846
03:28:52,480 --> 03:28:54,360
well, I was I was wanting to make a

5847
03:28:54,360 --> 03:28:56,560
motion at at point,

5848
03:28:56,560 --> 03:28:59,040
but I'll give it to you. Pro tip, what

5849
03:28:59,040 --> 03:28:59,240
do you got?

5850
03:28:59,240 --> 03:29:01,280
>> Okay, so one thing I missed on the first

5851
03:29:01,280 --> 03:29:03,395
time around

5852
03:29:03,395 --> 03:29:04,040
>> [clears throat]

5853
03:29:04,040 --> 03:29:07,320
>> something I'm uncomfortable with because

5854
03:29:07,320 --> 03:29:11,320
police officers to surveil must be in

5855
03:29:11,320 --> 03:29:14,000
view, right? So, they cannot be hiding

5856
03:29:14,000 --> 03:29:15,920
behind a bush.

5857
03:29:15,920 --> 03:29:16,520
Right?

5858
03:29:16,520 --> 03:29:17,280
>> What do you mean?

5859
03:29:17,280 --> 03:29:19,920
>> Uh the police car has to be

5860
03:29:19,920 --> 03:29:22,600
viewed on the side of the road.

5861
03:29:22,600 --> 03:29:24,960
You can't like be hiding in the side of

5862
03:29:24,960 --> 03:29:25,440
the

5863
03:29:25,440 --> 03:29:26,680
>> Like when we're working traffic or

5864
03:29:26,680 --> 03:29:27,040
something.

5865
03:29:27,040 --> 03:29:28,040
>> Yeah, yeah, we can.

5866
03:29:28,040 --> 03:29:30,800
>> Okay. Well, I am still uncomfortable

5867
03:29:30,800 --> 03:29:34,200
with there not being signage on the

5868
03:29:34,200 --> 03:29:37,280
cameras, right? So, like you are being

5869
03:29:37,280 --> 03:29:39,560
you are in a public space, you have you

5870
03:29:39,560 --> 03:29:41,760
are being surveilled. Like you should be

5871
03:29:41,760 --> 03:29:44,560
able to tell people that you are being

5872
03:29:44,560 --> 03:29:46,840
watched by a camera. The government

5873
03:29:46,840 --> 03:29:48,440
should be telling you. So, I am very

5874
03:29:48,440 --> 03:29:50,920
uncomfortable with having

5875
03:29:50,920 --> 03:29:52,440
I don't know. I'm really uncomfortable

5876
03:29:52,440 --> 03:29:53,840
with having hidden police officers

5877
03:29:53,840 --> 03:29:55,140
everywhere.

5878
03:29:55,140 --> 03:29:55,240
>> [laughter]

5879
03:29:55,240 --> 03:29:56,960
>> Not here, but everywhere.

5880
03:29:56,960 --> 03:30:00,840
Uh but uh that there is not any signage

5881
03:30:00,840 --> 03:30:02,360
on the surveillance

5882
03:30:02,360 --> 03:30:04,480
uh cameras. So, I just want to put that

5883
03:30:04,480 --> 03:30:06,800
out there before you go on your

5884
03:30:06,800 --> 03:30:08,720
um

5885
03:30:08,720 --> 03:30:09,400
monologue.

5886
03:30:09,400 --> 03:30:10,440
>> Sorry.

5887
03:30:10,440 --> 03:30:12,280
>> That's okay. Um

5888
03:30:12,280 --> 03:30:14,680
with the systems in general before and

5889
03:30:14,680 --> 03:30:16,920
while I get here, I am very worried that

5890
03:30:16,920 --> 03:30:18,360
this is a violation or will be a

5891
03:30:18,360 --> 03:30:19,720
violation of our fourth amendment

5892
03:30:19,720 --> 03:30:21,040
rights.

5893
03:30:21,040 --> 03:30:24,160
Um and this is like a warrantless search

5894
03:30:24,160 --> 03:30:26,280
in general. Like that's that's it.

5895
03:30:26,280 --> 03:30:28,160
There's no warrant for the search and

5896
03:30:28,160 --> 03:30:30,160
everybody I if somebody want to know if

5897
03:30:30,160 --> 03:30:32,080
I was in town or out of town, they could

5898
03:30:32,080 --> 03:30:34,120
say I'm in town or out of town and I

5899
03:30:34,120 --> 03:30:35,720
don't like that as an individual

5900
03:30:35,720 --> 03:30:37,600
citizen. I should be able to go come as

5901
03:30:37,600 --> 03:30:40,840
I please without the government knowing

5902
03:30:40,840 --> 03:30:42,320
where I am.

5903
03:30:42,320 --> 03:30:44,680
Um not that I'm doing anything wrong,

5904
03:30:44,680 --> 03:30:47,720
but I'm an individual sovereign citizen

5905
03:30:47,720 --> 03:30:50,120
apart from the government entity and

5906
03:30:50,120 --> 03:30:52,840
those are supposed to remain separate.

5907
03:30:52,840 --> 03:30:55,480
Um the other thing that has nothing to

5908
03:30:55,480 --> 03:30:56,560
do

5909
03:30:56,560 --> 03:30:58,920
with the Well, it does actually. Uh I

5910
03:30:58,920 --> 03:31:01,400
don't like setting up the infrastructure

5911
03:31:01,400 --> 03:31:03,160
for a mass surveillance system, whether

5912
03:31:03,160 --> 03:31:05,360
it's today or in the future. And that

5913
03:31:05,360 --> 03:31:07,120
mass surveillance system I'm very

5914
03:31:07,120 --> 03:31:09,520
uncomfortable with. If we end up moving

5915
03:31:09,520 --> 03:31:11,680
forward, I would be more comfortable

5916
03:31:11,680 --> 03:31:14,320
with this to be a mobile system and not

5917
03:31:14,320 --> 03:31:18,680
just setting in stone that we have like

5918
03:31:18,680 --> 03:31:20,880
in the cement that we have a mass

5919
03:31:20,880 --> 03:31:22,360
surveillance system in and out of our

5920
03:31:22,360 --> 03:31:23,640
cities.

5921
03:31:23,640 --> 03:31:25,520
Um I would be more comfortable with that

5922
03:31:25,520 --> 03:31:26,800
and then I would be more comfortable

5923
03:31:26,800 --> 03:31:29,840
with signage on the um

5924
03:31:29,840 --> 03:31:31,600
cameras themselves. And then I like the

5925
03:31:31,600 --> 03:31:34,480
codification, not in residential areas,

5926
03:31:34,480 --> 03:31:37,720
right? So, okay. That's before.

5927
03:31:37,720 --> 03:31:39,200
That's what I got.

5928
03:31:39,200 --> 03:31:43,750
>> Anything [clears throat] else, though?

5929
03:31:43,760 --> 03:31:44,280
Okay.

5930
03:31:44,280 --> 03:31:45,160
>> Okay, Chief.

5931
03:31:45,160 --> 03:31:46,480
>> All right. Well, I'd like to make a

5932
03:31:46,480 --> 03:31:47,920
motion

5933
03:31:47,920 --> 03:31:51,000
to um if we're going to keep the the

5934
03:31:51,000 --> 03:31:53,696
cameras we currently have

5935
03:31:53,696 --> 03:31:53,760
>> [clears throat]

5936
03:31:53,760 --> 03:31:55,560
>> that we codify

5937
03:31:55,560 --> 03:31:57,200
um

5938
03:31:57,200 --> 03:32:00,040
not in any residential

5939
03:32:00,040 --> 03:32:02,480
and we keep it to the

5940
03:32:02,480 --> 03:32:05,600
uh current five cameras we have.

5941
03:32:05,600 --> 03:32:06,720
Um

5942
03:32:06,720 --> 03:32:09,880
that no software updates

5943
03:32:09,880 --> 03:32:13,160
uh that have new technologies be allowed

5944
03:32:13,160 --> 03:32:16,360
until it's been brought to the community

5945
03:32:16,360 --> 03:32:18,040
forum.

5946
03:32:18,040 --> 03:32:20,120
Um

5947
03:32:20,120 --> 03:32:21,520
Excuse me. [clears throat]

5948
03:32:21,520 --> 03:32:23,760
Um and if

5949
03:32:23,760 --> 03:32:26,520
the Supreme Court does rule on it being

5950
03:32:26,520 --> 03:32:29,640
a Fourth Amendment violation, that we do

5951
03:32:29,640 --> 03:32:33,440
remove those uh if it does come down to

5952
03:32:33,440 --> 03:32:34,680
that.

5953
03:32:34,680 --> 03:32:37,240
Um

5954
03:32:37,240 --> 03:32:40,000
Is there anything I'm missing?

5955
03:32:40,000 --> 03:32:40,360
>> I think

5956
03:32:40,360 --> 03:32:41,160
>> Oversight.

5957
03:32:41,160 --> 03:32:44,720
>> Oh, yeah. And then auditing process, I

5958
03:32:44,720 --> 03:32:47,800
would be be with initially doing uh once

5959
03:32:47,800 --> 03:32:49,680
your auditing process through the

5960
03:32:49,680 --> 03:32:51,640
community with Chief.

5961
03:32:51,640 --> 03:32:53,360
And if it looks like there's a concern

5962
03:32:53,360 --> 03:32:54,440
there,

5963
03:32:54,440 --> 03:32:57,280
uh then we can at that point flush it

5964
03:32:57,280 --> 03:32:58,720
out.

5965
03:32:58,720 --> 03:33:00,240
Um

5966
03:33:00,240 --> 03:33:02,000
Yeah, that would be my motion.

5967
03:33:02,000 --> 03:33:04,120
>> So, just to be clear, the auditing the

5968
03:33:04,120 --> 03:33:05,640
Chief would basically do an annual

5969
03:33:05,640 --> 03:33:07,057
report

5970
03:33:07,057 --> 03:33:07,520
>> [clears throat]

5971
03:33:07,520 --> 03:33:08,000
>> uh

5972
03:33:08,000 --> 03:33:09,760
>> Yeah, cuz it's important

5973
03:33:09,760 --> 03:33:12,440
how many error rates there are.

5974
03:33:12,440 --> 03:33:14,240
Uh has anyone been shot because

5975
03:33:14,240 --> 03:33:15,640
>> understand that. I understand what's

5976
03:33:15,640 --> 03:33:16,880
important and why it's important. I'm

5977
03:33:16,880 --> 03:33:19,280
just saying you want Chief to do that.

5978
03:33:19,280 --> 03:33:20,320
>> Um well

5979
03:33:20,320 --> 03:33:21,680
>> Cuz you said through the community.

5980
03:33:21,680 --> 03:33:22,920
>> I would like the community to play a

5981
03:33:22,920 --> 03:33:24,600
role in that, so

5982
03:33:24,600 --> 03:33:25,840
>> Well, then we have to spend time

5983
03:33:25,840 --> 03:33:27,560
discussing what that means because

5984
03:33:27,560 --> 03:33:28,120
>> Okay.

5985
03:33:28,120 --> 03:33:29,560
>> you just opened a can of worms by saying

5986
03:33:29,560 --> 03:33:30,440
through the committee.

5987
03:33:30,440 --> 03:33:32,880
>> Okay. Well, through a

5988
03:33:32,880 --> 03:33:34,560
um

5989
03:33:34,560 --> 03:33:36,560
You want to do oversight from council

5990
03:33:36,560 --> 03:33:38,040
member?

5991
03:33:38,040 --> 03:33:41,040
Two? Probably two, right? At least two.

5992
03:33:41,040 --> 03:33:43,800
>> Two council members in Cherry Hill?

5993
03:33:43,800 --> 03:33:44,040
>> Yeah.

5994
03:33:44,040 --> 03:33:46,720
>> So, if you If you If you create erect

5995
03:33:46,720 --> 03:33:48,480
some kind of committee now, that's going

5996
03:33:48,480 --> 03:33:49,920
to be subject to the Brown Act.

5997
03:33:49,920 --> 03:33:50,360
>> Okay.

5998
03:33:50,360 --> 03:33:51,960
>> So, then you guys can all meet with the

5999
03:33:51,960 --> 03:33:53,920
Chief and discuss doing an audit with

6000
03:33:53,920 --> 03:33:55,920
Brown Act and public comment. You just

6001
03:33:55,920 --> 03:33:57,640
be careful about what you're opening up

6002
03:33:57,640 --> 03:33:59,600
in terms of making it more difficult and

6003
03:33:59,600 --> 03:34:01,400
onerous. Cuz I think part of the idea

6004
03:34:01,400 --> 03:34:03,680
was to be able to review this sort of

6005
03:34:03,680 --> 03:34:05,280
and there's going to be discreet

6006
03:34:05,280 --> 03:34:06,680
investigation. There's going to be

6007
03:34:06,680 --> 03:34:07,720
There's going to Sorry, discreet

6008
03:34:07,720 --> 03:34:09,000
information and stuff that is

6009
03:34:09,000 --> 03:34:10,920
confidential investigative materials as

6010
03:34:10,920 --> 03:34:11,640
well.

6011
03:34:11,640 --> 03:34:12,160
>> Correct.

6012
03:34:12,160 --> 03:34:12,640
>> And then you're going to have

6013
03:34:12,640 --> 03:34:14,280
non-subject matters reviewing the

6014
03:34:14,280 --> 03:34:15,840
subject matter experts. And then you got

6015
03:34:15,840 --> 03:34:17,160
to be careful who's on the committee cuz

6016
03:34:17,160 --> 03:34:19,000
you may get defund activists that are on

6017
03:34:19,000 --> 03:34:20,280
the committee.

6018
03:34:20,280 --> 03:34:21,760
So, you just have to be careful and

6019
03:34:21,760 --> 03:34:23,200
think through all these things. I think

6020
03:34:23,200 --> 03:34:25,080
a basic report out from the Chief on

6021
03:34:25,080 --> 03:34:25,800
annual basis

6022
03:34:25,800 --> 03:34:27,360
>> Why don't we start there? And then we

6023
03:34:27,360 --> 03:34:29,280
can research that other stuff.

6024
03:34:29,280 --> 03:34:32,040
>> You can get legal advice on that one.

6025
03:34:32,040 --> 03:34:34,120
>> So, but Mr. Mayor, that would be the

6026
03:34:34,120 --> 03:34:36,000
motion. Oh, sorry.

6027
03:34:36,000 --> 03:34:36,880
>> Um

6028
03:34:36,880 --> 03:34:39,560
Instead of doing a a yearly report, um

6029
03:34:39,560 --> 03:34:41,480
maybe just to drive greater

6030
03:34:41,480 --> 03:34:43,760
transparency. Uh

6031
03:34:43,760 --> 03:34:45,760
quarterly or

6032
03:34:45,760 --> 03:34:48,583
every 6 months as opposed to

6033
03:34:48,583 --> 03:34:48,680
>> [clears throat]

6034
03:34:48,680 --> 03:34:50,680
>> How much of a concern is that to your

6035
03:34:50,680 --> 03:34:52,120
working schedule?

6036
03:34:52,120 --> 03:34:52,680
>> I mean

6037
03:34:52,680 --> 03:34:54,240
>> What?

6038
03:34:54,240 --> 03:34:55,720
Is that a a big problem?

6039
03:34:55,720 --> 03:34:57,800
>> to figure out exactly what's going to go

6040
03:34:57,800 --> 03:35:00,200
in these audit reports. Once I figure

6041
03:35:00,200 --> 03:35:02,000
out what the audit report's going to be,

6042
03:35:02,000 --> 03:35:04,280
it shouldn't be too difficult to pull

6043
03:35:04,280 --> 03:35:05,840
the information.

6044
03:35:05,840 --> 03:35:06,920
>> I just

6045
03:35:06,920 --> 03:35:08,400
>> On point of order, we have a motion on

6046
03:35:08,400 --> 03:35:09,240
the table.

6047
03:35:09,240 --> 03:35:10,720
>> You're right.

6048
03:35:10,720 --> 03:35:12,560
>> Um I'll second the motion.

6049
03:35:12,560 --> 03:35:14,760
>> Okay. All in favor say aye.

6050
03:35:14,760 --> 03:35:15,480
>> Aye.

6051
03:35:15,480 --> 03:35:16,560
>> All opposed say nay.

6052
03:35:16,560 --> 03:35:17,480
>> Nay.

6053
03:35:17,480 --> 03:35:19,720
>> Okay. So

6054
03:35:19,720 --> 03:35:23,230
we are done for the night.

6055
03:35:23,240 --> 03:35:24,960
Okay. I think we're done for the night.

6056
03:35:24,960 --> 03:35:26,520
Uh we'll go to council communications

6057
03:35:26,520 --> 03:35:28,080
then. Um

6058
03:35:28,080 --> 03:35:29,440
Councilman Ingle, let's start on your

6059
03:35:29,440 --> 03:35:30,160
side this time.

6060
03:35:30,160 --> 03:35:31,560
>> Yeah, thank you. Let me just pull up the

6061
03:35:31,560 --> 03:35:35,150
notes here.

6062
03:35:35,160 --> 03:35:38,480
Um okay. So uh lots of stuff in the

6063
03:35:38,480 --> 03:35:40,720
news, you know, about uh potentially

6064
03:35:40,720 --> 03:35:42,880
extreme weather in in the winter with,

6065
03:35:42,880 --> 03:35:44,720
you know, a high likelihood of there it

6066
03:35:44,720 --> 03:35:47,840
being an El Niño season. Um so what what

6067
03:35:47,840 --> 03:35:50,480
I was hoping is that

6068
03:35:50,480 --> 03:35:53,280
uh we could make sure to review uh and

6069
03:35:53,280 --> 03:35:55,640
have a plan in place

6070
03:35:55,640 --> 03:35:57,240
uh for

6071
03:35:57,240 --> 03:36:00,080
um storm preparedness uh just in case we

6072
03:36:00,080 --> 03:36:02,400
do experience uh you know, large

6073
03:36:02,400 --> 03:36:03,720
quantities of water like we did last

6074
03:36:03,720 --> 03:36:04,960
season just to make sure that we're

6075
03:36:04,960 --> 03:36:07,160
thoroughly equipped to handle

6076
03:36:07,160 --> 03:36:09,440
um the event and and have all

6077
03:36:09,440 --> 03:36:11,320
contingencies in place. So I'd like to

6078
03:36:11,320 --> 03:36:13,680
get that um on the agenda if I can get

6079
03:36:13,680 --> 03:36:14,400
consensus from

6080
03:36:14,400 --> 03:36:16,560
>> I would back I would back that.

6081
03:36:16,560 --> 03:36:18,720
>> Thank you. Appreciate that. And uh it's

6082
03:36:18,720 --> 03:36:19,960
been long enough night. That's all I

6083
03:36:19,960 --> 03:36:22,080
have. Thank you.

6084
03:36:22,080 --> 03:36:24,000
>> Councilman Stroman.

6085
03:36:24,000 --> 03:36:28,440
>> Sure. I'll make my comments brief. Uh

6086
03:36:28,440 --> 03:36:31,320
It's good to be back. Uh

6087
03:36:31,320 --> 03:36:34,280
started a new job recently which is

6088
03:36:34,280 --> 03:36:36,360
um

6089
03:36:36,360 --> 03:36:39,000
requiring a lot of extra road time. So,

6090
03:36:39,000 --> 03:36:41,120
the first meeting of the month I

6091
03:36:41,120 --> 03:36:43,640
had to attend an overnight event in

6092
03:36:43,640 --> 03:36:45,320
Santa Clara.

6093
03:36:45,320 --> 03:36:48,160
Last week I had to attend a

6094
03:36:48,160 --> 03:36:49,880
school board meeting.

6095
03:36:49,880 --> 03:36:52,000
So, I apologize to

6096
03:36:52,000 --> 03:36:53,720
this council and the community for not

6097
03:36:53,720 --> 03:36:56,160
attending the last two meetings. Uh

6098
03:36:56,160 --> 03:36:58,640
fortunately the the job called.

6099
03:36:58,640 --> 03:37:00,520
Um

6100
03:37:00,520 --> 03:37:03,040
only other thing I'd like to dis- just

6101
03:37:03,040 --> 03:37:06,520
have a discussion on um

6102
03:37:06,520 --> 03:37:08,560
really want to look at

6103
03:37:08,560 --> 03:37:09,720
um

6104
03:37:09,720 --> 03:37:11,320
our

6105
03:37:11,320 --> 03:37:15,440
uh weed abatement uh policy at a future

6106
03:37:15,440 --> 03:37:16,800
meeting.

6107
03:37:16,800 --> 03:37:20,320
Uh last Friday night the Lions Club held

6108
03:37:20,320 --> 03:37:22,120
one of their um

6109
03:37:22,120 --> 03:37:25,480
car shows at Hula's.

6110
03:37:25,480 --> 03:37:28,040
I was uh at the Bonnie's. I walked over

6111
03:37:28,040 --> 03:37:32,120
and the field behind Hula's was quite

6112
03:37:32,120 --> 03:37:34,520
honestly an embarrassment.

6113
03:37:34,520 --> 03:37:36,800
It was an embarrassment for

6114
03:37:36,800 --> 03:37:39,640
the city. It was an embarrassment for

6115
03:37:39,640 --> 03:37:41,840
Hula's. It was an embarrassment for the

6116
03:37:41,840 --> 03:37:43,840
Lions Club. It was just really a poor

6117
03:37:43,840 --> 03:37:45,960
reflection of our city.

6118
03:37:45,960 --> 03:37:47,920
So,

6119
03:37:47,920 --> 03:37:49,040
today

6120
03:37:49,040 --> 03:37:52,400
uh the old property owner decided to cut

6121
03:37:52,400 --> 03:37:54,640
everything down

6122
03:37:54,640 --> 03:37:56,440
and just leave everything.

6123
03:37:56,440 --> 03:37:58,280
That was their way of

6124
03:37:58,280 --> 03:38:03,160
resolving the issue. And so now they've created an even bigger issue

6125
03:38:03,160 --> 03:38:04,720
cuz

6126
03:38:04,720 --> 03:38:08,320
now you have grass and trash. So, and I

6127
03:38:08,320 --> 03:38:09,960
understand

6128
03:38:09,960 --> 03:38:11,880
it's a sensitive issue because there are

6129
03:38:11,880 --> 03:38:14,600
some community members that can't afford

6130
03:38:14,600 --> 03:38:17,040
um weed abatement.

6131
03:38:17,040 --> 03:38:19,160
But, those I think those are the

6132
03:38:19,160 --> 03:38:22,480
anomaly. So, I just want to look at the

6133
03:38:22,480 --> 03:38:25,360
our policy and see

6134
03:38:25,360 --> 03:38:27,360
cuz right now I mean correct me if I'm

6135
03:38:27,360 --> 03:38:29,600
wrong, city manager, but

6136
03:38:29,600 --> 03:38:34,880
we send letter after letter after letter and I wouldn't be behind it

6137
03:38:34,880 --> 03:38:36,640
if we're not looking at like a

6138
03:38:36,640 --> 03:38:39,680
compliance officer. No. Like I I don't

6139
03:38:39,680 --> 03:38:41,360
want to be targeting citizens.

6140
03:38:41,360 --> 03:38:44,440
Absolutely. Um, so

6141
03:38:44,440 --> 03:38:48,240
if if it's but if we can look into like

6142
03:38:48,240 --> 03:38:50,080
how we can maybe make that policy have

6143
03:38:50,080 --> 03:38:51,040
more teeth.

6144
03:38:51,040 --> 03:38:53,000
>> That's exactly what I'm trying to figure

6145
03:38:53,000 --> 03:38:53,240
out.

6146
03:38:53,240 --> 03:38:55,320
>> Yeah, I would be behind that.

6147
03:38:55,320 --> 03:38:55,840
>> Yes, for sure.

6148
03:38:55,840 --> 03:38:58,360
>> Because cuz it's it's a poor reflection

6149
03:38:58,360 --> 03:39:00,480
of the community and

6150
03:39:00,480 --> 03:39:01,320
I mean,

6151
03:39:01,320 --> 03:39:03,800
not expectation is not somebody driving

6152
03:39:03,800 --> 03:39:06,120
around looking for these things but

6153
03:39:06,120 --> 03:39:08,000
really adding more teeth to the policy.

6154
03:39:08,000 --> 03:39:09,200
So,

6155
03:39:09,200 --> 03:39:09,932
just want to have a conversation

6156
03:39:09,932 --> 03:39:11,160
[clears throat] about it.

6157
03:39:11,160 --> 03:39:13,800
>> Okay. Is that enough direction? Okay.

6158
03:39:13,800 --> 03:39:14,360
>> Uh,

6159
03:39:14,360 --> 03:39:16,600
and other than that, uh, it's late.

6160
03:39:16,600 --> 03:39:18,760
Thanks everybody for your input.

6161
03:39:18,760 --> 03:39:20,400
>> Councilman K.

6162
03:39:20,400 --> 03:39:21,600
Um,

6163
03:39:21,600 --> 03:39:22,560
had something that I'm just going to

6164
03:39:22,560 --> 03:39:24,160
hold off on cuz it's gotten so late.

6165
03:39:24,160 --> 03:39:25,840
Chief, thank you very much for putting

6166
03:39:25,840 --> 03:39:28,160
it all together for us and fielding all

6167
03:39:28,160 --> 03:39:29,400
of these questions and all of this

6168
03:39:29,400 --> 03:39:31,760
discussion. Seems like you you got more

6169
03:39:31,760 --> 03:39:33,200
of the focus tonight than than you

6170
03:39:33,200 --> 03:39:35,160
usually do and I appreciate the

6171
03:39:35,160 --> 03:39:37,320
your ability to have those questions

6172
03:39:37,320 --> 03:39:39,080
bounced off of you and and you come back

6173
03:39:39,080 --> 03:39:41,080
with with perfect answers every single

6174
03:39:41,080 --> 03:39:43,120
time. You do a great job and I really

6175
03:39:43,120 --> 03:39:44,920
appreciate you. Justin, thanks for not

6176
03:39:44,920 --> 03:39:47,240
falling asleep over there. On that note,

6177
03:39:47,240 --> 03:39:48,840
>> Thank you guys for sticking it out with

6178
03:39:48,840 --> 03:39:49,231
us.

6179
03:39:49,231 --> 03:39:50,040
>> [laughter]

6180
03:39:50,040 --> 03:39:51,280
>> Uh, have a great night.

6181
03:39:51,280 --> 03:39:51,880
>> Okay.

6182
03:39:51,880 --> 03:39:52,720
>> Pro tem.

6183
03:39:52,720 --> 03:39:55,680
>> Just a couple comments on this evening.

6184
03:39:55,680 --> 03:39:58,520
Great conversations today. I just want

6185
03:39:58,520 --> 03:40:00,600
to thank Chief for all the all the

6186
03:40:00,600 --> 03:40:02,880
questions we've thrown at him today and

6187
03:40:02,880 --> 03:40:05,560
just state that I have all the faith in

6188
03:40:05,560 --> 03:40:07,920
the world in our human police force. You

6189
03:40:07,920 --> 03:40:09,760
guys have done a great job since I've

6190
03:40:09,760 --> 03:40:11,560
been here in Echelon. You continue to do

6191
03:40:11,560 --> 03:40:12,720
a great job

6192
03:40:12,720 --> 03:40:14,360
connecting with the community. So,

6193
03:40:14,360 --> 03:40:16,240
appreciate you guys.

6194
03:40:16,240 --> 03:40:17,120
Um,

6195
03:40:17,120 --> 03:40:18,760
and we need to make sure that humans

6196
03:40:18,760 --> 03:40:21,440
remain the collective, right? So, as

6197
03:40:21,440 --> 03:40:25,160
we're going into this age of machines

6198
03:40:25,160 --> 03:40:27,720
and cameras and robots and automation,

6199
03:40:27,720 --> 03:40:29,880
the humans must win. Like, the humans

6200
03:40:29,880 --> 03:40:32,000
must be the collective of things and

6201
03:40:32,000 --> 03:40:34,360
people that run things. And so, when we

6202
03:40:34,360 --> 03:40:36,320
are deciding to vote on things, to

6203
03:40:36,320 --> 03:40:38,520
automate things, and that kind of stuff,

6204
03:40:38,520 --> 03:40:43,000
we should make sure that we

6205
03:40:43,000 --> 03:40:44,960
uh you know, in my opinion, we need to

6206
03:40:44,960 --> 03:40:47,040
make sure that we keep staff, that we

6207
03:40:47,040 --> 03:40:48,280
hold on to staff, that we're not

6208
03:40:48,280 --> 03:40:51,160
automating things to

6209
03:40:51,160 --> 03:40:54,080
let staff and humans go and have this

6210
03:40:54,080 --> 03:40:58,320
just come in and be empty, just you type

6211
03:40:58,320 --> 03:41:00,000
things in like at the kiosk at

6212
03:41:00,000 --> 03:41:02,680
McDonald's, and then you get an answer

6213
03:41:02,680 --> 03:41:05,800
from a screen. So, um that's my concern

6214
03:41:05,800 --> 03:41:08,640
when I'm uh digitalization and the

6215
03:41:08,640 --> 03:41:11,440
automation, that we stay as long we stay

6216
03:41:11,440 --> 03:41:13,800
the hometown feel, we stay where we

6217
03:41:13,800 --> 03:41:15,840
connect with people, and we're doing

6218
03:41:15,840 --> 03:41:18,600
business with people, and we're making

6219
03:41:18,600 --> 03:41:22,680
um we're making uh com uh relationships

6220
03:41:22,680 --> 03:41:25,440
with our staff and our people, with our

6221
03:41:25,440 --> 03:41:29,360
community. So, that's my commentary on

6222
03:41:29,360 --> 03:41:32,560
this evening, and it's yeah, been a

6223
03:41:32,560 --> 03:41:34,320
great night. That's it.

6224
03:41:34,320 --> 03:41:37,080
>> I'll keep it short and sweet as well. Um

6225
03:41:37,080 --> 03:41:38,360
Chief, I do appreciate your

6226
03:41:38,360 --> 03:41:40,583
professionalism on this. I

6227
03:41:40,583 --> 03:41:40,680
>> [clears throat]

6228
03:41:40,680 --> 03:41:42,520
>> no intent I wasn't trying to throw

6229
03:41:42,520 --> 03:41:44,520
arrows at you. I just want to make sure

6230
03:41:44,520 --> 03:41:46,760
that we have a very well-thought-out

6231
03:41:46,760 --> 03:41:48,600
approach uh

6232
03:41:48,600 --> 03:41:50,040
to where [clears throat] you guys are

6233
03:41:50,040 --> 03:41:52,720
able to use it where you need to, but

6234
03:41:52,720 --> 03:41:54,920
we're not putting, you know,

6235
03:41:54,920 --> 03:41:56,040
um

6236
03:41:56,040 --> 03:41:58,000
putting it in play where it could be

6237
03:41:58,000 --> 03:41:59,960
over the top abusive.

6238
03:41:59,960 --> 03:42:00,640
Um

6239
03:42:00,640 --> 03:42:03,040
so, I do appreciate that. Um other than

6240
03:42:03,040 --> 03:42:04,960
that, I don't have anything else. Um you

6241
03:42:04,960 --> 03:42:07,200
guys have a good night, and Congressman,

6242
03:42:07,200 --> 03:42:09,120
thank you for coming, cuz I know you're

6243
03:42:09,120 --> 03:42:10,640
going to win. So,

6244
03:42:10,640 --> 03:42:13,333
appreciate [laughter] it.

6245
03:42:13,333 --> 03:42:13,840
>> [clears throat]

6246
03:42:13,840 --> 03:42:15,800
>> Thank you.

6247
03:42:15,800 --> 03:42:18,320
>> Um I've actually been uh thinking about

6248
03:42:18,320 --> 03:42:21,390
doing it for a while.

6249
03:42:21,400 --> 03:42:22,680
My dad did it for me.

6250
03:42:22,680 --> 03:42:25,360
>> I got my bag.