1 00:00:08,210 --> 00:00:13,930 Now that the recording is in progress, welcome to the City of Everett Parks and Built Environment 2 00:00:13,930 --> 00:00:20,850 Council Committee meeting of August 13, 2025. We're here in the Everett City Council Chambers. 3 00:00:21,530 --> 00:00:27,470 We only have one item on our agenda and I bet it will be awesome because it's about housing. 4 00:00:27,990 --> 00:00:33,530 So I will tell you what that is. And it is the Housing Strategy Briefing from staff. 5 00:00:33,530 --> 00:00:41,430 And it looks like we have some awesome staff without name placards, so I'm going to allow you to introduce yourself, so I don't get it wrong. 6 00:00:42,530 --> 00:00:43,610 Take it away. 7 00:00:45,650 --> 00:00:56,430 Good afternoon. I am Julie Willie. I'm the Community Development Director and Frank Hong. Our housing project manager is here with us today and he's going to get most of the airtime. 8 00:00:56,430 --> 00:01:02,250 And so, you will have the pleasure of learning from Frank and the work that he has done over 9 00:01:02,250 --> 00:01:07,190 the course of the last, what, year and a half to really look at what we've done around 10 00:01:07,190 --> 00:01:12,590 housing in the last several years regarding rethinking housing in regards to housing 11 00:01:12,590 --> 00:01:17,970 directives and housing for all, certainly in regards to our 2044 comprehensive plan 12 00:01:17,970 --> 00:01:21,910 and our consolidated plan to address the individuals in need. 13 00:01:21,910 --> 00:01:25,930 And every one of those reports, obviously, has pointed to the direction of housing. 14 00:01:26,430 --> 00:01:42,210 So Frank, alongside of that work, has been really trying to understand what other opportunities exist within the city of Everett and within our region, our state, and our federal environment, as well as building partnerships and relationships and strategizing. 15 00:01:42,210 --> 00:01:51,810 And so tonight we've asked Frank to share his vision for our 10-point strategy, a framework by which we will bucket all of our future housing work into. 16 00:01:52,470 --> 00:02:03,910 And then next, probably at a council full, in the full briefing, kind of talk a little bit more specifically about the initiatives that he also or we also have been working to move forward. 17 00:02:04,150 --> 00:02:11,350 So I think it'll be an opportunity for you to learn and to ask questions and to kind of co-create. 18 00:02:11,350 --> 00:02:15,050 And then hopefully we can quickly move into action for 2026. 19 00:02:15,530 --> 00:02:17,030 With that, Frank Hong. 20 00:02:21,420 --> 00:02:22,760 Thank you, Julie. 21 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:25,800 Oh, sorry. 22 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:27,700 I forgot one more thing. 23 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,960 Another thing that we're doing kind of internally as a staff team is 24 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:36,260 working to kind of better align our community planning and 25 00:02:36,260 --> 00:02:37,640 economic development efforts. 26 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,940 So we've kind of moved some of Frank's work a little bit closer to 27 00:02:40,940 --> 00:02:44,680 community development because he's already really aligned with planning and has a great 28 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,420 relationship with the planning department. But we wanted to also remember the funding 29 00:02:48,420 --> 00:02:52,640 and the affordability and our other residents that we're also working to ensure shelter 30 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:57,920 and housing options for all. So that's been a really cool opportunity as well as thinking 31 00:02:57,920 --> 00:03:02,620 about it from economic development level. So Frank kind of like floats through all three 32 00:03:02,620 --> 00:03:07,740 of our divisions to really bring housing as a united force. So that's just also 33 00:03:07,740 --> 00:03:12,820 something we wanted you to note. Now I now I've remembered everything. Thank you very much Julie. 34 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:15,480 One second. 35 00:03:21,020 --> 00:03:25,710 Okay well good afternoon everyone get to see you all again. 36 00:03:26,890 --> 00:03:32,990 Here today we're just going to provide you with a sort of very high level introduction to the next 37 00:03:32,990 --> 00:03:38,010 five-year housing strategy that we're working on as a department. It's still in a very drab phase 38 00:03:38,010 --> 00:03:42,450 and hopefully through the next few months we'll get something prepared at the end of this 39 00:03:42,450 --> 00:03:44,170 year to take it into 2026. 40 00:03:45,350 --> 00:03:45,830 The strategy 41 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:56,960 comprises two main components, a long-term housing strategic – a strategic 42 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:03,040 housing framework that will govern our sort of roadmap for housing for – there's really 43 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,080 no timeline to that. 44 00:04:04,380 --> 00:04:08,580 And in addition to that, there's more targeted action items that we'll come back again 45 00:04:08,580 --> 00:04:10,880 as Julie mentioned in September to discuss further. 46 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:13,480 So I wanted to ground you. 47 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:18,080 I'll go into details of each of these pillars later on, but I just wanted to help everybody 48 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,220 anchor what we're talking about today, and this is the strategic framework that I mentioned, 49 00:04:22,420 --> 00:04:27,720 consists of 10 pillars that's pretty comprehensive and cohesive, and there are 10 pillars that 50 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:33,060 are in many ways interrelated to support a thriving and sustainable housing environment 51 00:04:33,060 --> 00:04:33,400 forever. 52 00:04:34,100 --> 00:04:38,360 Before we get into those, each individual pillar, I also just wanted to take a step 53 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,940 back and help you understand how we sort of came to this place. 54 00:04:41,940 --> 00:04:48,320 As you all know, housing is a foundation for so many other issues from public safety, 55 00:04:48,620 --> 00:04:53,720 public health, education, community and social cohesion, economic mobility and infrastructure 56 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:54,340 transportation. 57 00:04:54,840 --> 00:04:57,420 And each one of these, again, vitally important. 58 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:03,080 You need housing to have safe place to stay, housing so that when you have a safe place 59 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,660 to stay, you can pursue your educational goals, et cetera. 60 00:05:06,660 --> 00:05:20,480 So understanding that housing is so critical in so many ways, I think, is a good reminder for us as we move forward, because oftentimes we get caught up in maybe just the numbers, thinking housing is just a supply, but it's just so much more. 61 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,800 And I'm sure speaking to the choir here, all you folks know that. 62 00:05:26,780 --> 00:05:33,520 Also, with this strategy, what's coming into it from a comprehensive perspective, but it's also grounded on data. 63 00:05:33,900 --> 00:05:39,780 And I could present a lot of different types of data, but I'm sure you've heard a lot from Chris Collier and many other folks that have come before you. 64 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:54,520 But some of the key data points that, again, sort of express that urgency that we're approaching is that Everett is expected to grow to 179,000 approximately population-wise, 65 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,200 one of this was based on our 2024. 66 00:05:57,300 --> 00:05:59,620 At the same time, that population needs housing. 67 00:05:59,860 --> 00:06:02,500 And so we have a big challenge ahead of us 68 00:06:02,500 --> 00:06:06,080 in producing nearly 3,600 units of additional housing 69 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,380 in addition to 2,400 beds. 70 00:06:08,540 --> 00:06:10,880 And these are generally like the temporary beds 71 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,260 for emergency shelter, et cetera. 72 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,100 We also have not just limited to Everett, 73 00:06:16,220 --> 00:06:18,260 but region-wide there's a growing housing 74 00:06:18,260 --> 00:06:21,700 on a portability issue in 2023. 75 00:06:21,700 --> 00:06:28,960 our last census number is a 58% of Everett's residents in the rental market suffered from cost burden. 76 00:06:29,100 --> 00:06:31,080 So again, there are big challenges ahead of us. 77 00:06:31,540 --> 00:06:37,020 And so looking at this strategy, I'm looking at it much more than just numbers, 78 00:06:37,100 --> 00:06:38,720 but in so many other different contexts. 79 00:06:39,740 --> 00:06:45,160 And as Julie mentioned, again, there's been several prior efforts up leading up to this. 80 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,960 Most recently, many of you are familiar with the 2021 We Think Housing Action Plan. 81 00:06:50,980 --> 00:06:58,740 That was just a few years ago, led to a lot of great things for the city and more recently an adoption of the 2044 comprehensive plan. 82 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,320 If you have any further questions, York's here to provide some guidance on that. 83 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:13,180 In addition, this strategy also incorporates recent work that Julie's Community Development Division did with the consolidated plan as well as with the fair housing assessment. 84 00:07:13,180 --> 00:07:28,520 A new piece that hasn't really been discussed before is this 2025 affordable housing solutions plan. That was a recent effort where the city got funded through a grant from commerce to prepare a study which I call the Everett affordable housing solutions plan. 85 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,620 It's focused mainly at the 0 to 50% AMI range. 86 00:07:31,620 --> 00:07:42,600 And so this also strategy moving forward will bring in some of those elements, and we will also come back before council later on to talk more about the AHSP and some of the findings from that as well. 87 00:07:43,620 --> 00:07:55,720 And it's not just all reports. Again, there was a lot of stakeholder and community engagement processes throughout the consolidated plan throughout the AFH Fair Housing Assessment exercise as well as through the AHSP. 88 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:02,540 We worked with the housing consortium who also worked with many partners in the community to understand, again, the community-driven needs. 89 00:08:02,980 --> 00:08:14,600 And then lastly, a lot of just research and observations over the past year and a half with abundance of folks both locally as well as regionally and nationally to build this, again, very comprehensive strategy. 90 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,260 I just also want to pose that rethink housing since this is really going to be that next 91 00:08:20,260 --> 00:08:24,600 five-year process to provide you with a status update on rethink housing. 92 00:08:24,700 --> 00:08:27,540 There are 18 action items at the end of that. 93 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:34,720 We can confidently say that we achieved 14 of those and these extra four, the S4 stands 94 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,500 for short-term initiatives and the L was for the long-term. 95 00:08:37,860 --> 00:08:43,000 These four that generally touch on tenant protections, monitoring, sort of land banking 96 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:43,940 program. 97 00:08:43,940 --> 00:08:49,420 I will continue and likely incorporate that into, again, the next five-year strategy plan 98 00:08:49,420 --> 00:08:49,940 moving forward. 99 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:55,580 So, really, that's sort of that transition from rethink housing and moving on to this 100 00:08:55,580 --> 00:08:57,900 next five-year strategy plan. 101 00:08:58,660 --> 00:09:00,780 And so, also... 102 00:09:00,780 --> 00:09:03,540 I just couldn't say any questions before he moves on to us. 103 00:09:03,980 --> 00:09:04,840 Oh, on rethink housing. 104 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,260 If there are any other questions that you would like to add up here. 105 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:13,920 Would you... 106 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:14,500 so far so good. 107 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:19,080 Would you consider S4 Institute Tenant Protections 108 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:24,380 and targeted assistance to be partially complete 109 00:09:24,380 --> 00:09:30,120 because of the recent state legislation? 110 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:31,960 Yeah, and that's the sort of where 111 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,040 the state has been doing a lot on that. 112 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,460 I mean, there's definitely things that localities 113 00:09:36,460 --> 00:09:37,400 that could do more. 114 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,220 I mean, we're seeing some of the cities around us 115 00:09:39,220 --> 00:09:41,460 like Bellingham, et cetera, pushing forward 116 00:09:41,460 --> 00:09:43,320 with some of these other additional tent protections. 117 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:47,520 I don't recall there being specific metrics to that one. 118 00:09:47,620 --> 00:09:49,240 That's why we sort of left it as an ongoing. 119 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:51,840 I think the state has made great efforts. 120 00:09:52,060 --> 00:09:53,920 I mean, the R-cell rent stabilization ordinance 121 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:55,020 really helped out. 122 00:09:55,420 --> 00:09:57,280 But at the same time, again, that growing 123 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,440 unaffordability challenge is still out there 124 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,600 and there can always be more done in that area. 125 00:10:04,180 --> 00:10:05,840 I look forward to more being done. 126 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:07,380 Thank you. 127 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:15,140 I was looking at the growth numbers that roughly 20 year growth numbers, sorry. 128 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,760 I was looking at the 20 year growth numbers here and I want to make sure I understand this. 129 00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:25,260 Also that there's kind of another look at predictions because I know 20 year predictions. 130 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,120 It's always, it's hard to make predictions, especially about the future as they say. 131 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:36,040 It looks like, and I think I'd asked Yorick this question before about, do we really see the kinds 132 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:42,720 of numbers we look at? Because when I first look at this, you see 57%, you see 79%, 57% in population, 133 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:49,040 almost 80% in housing. That looks to me though, since it's 20 years and compounded, 134 00:10:49,380 --> 00:10:57,360 that's something like 3% per year for the housing targets and only two and a quarter percent or 135 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,200 so for the population. 136 00:10:59,820 --> 00:11:03,360 So is that in line with what we've experienced 137 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,460 in the past 20 years or so? 138 00:11:05,860 --> 00:11:08,860 So these numbers came from the Snomish County H05 report. 139 00:11:09,140 --> 00:11:12,220 And so there was several models that were done 140 00:11:12,220 --> 00:11:14,000 to figure out which numbers to use 141 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,480 as to whether we're on track to have reached these numbers. 142 00:11:18,740 --> 00:11:21,600 York and I have had quite a few discussions on that. 143 00:11:22,340 --> 00:11:24,560 It's built on the 2020 for the population. 144 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:31,500 it's built on the 2020 census projection at roughly 2% a year. And when we recently look at the Office 145 00:11:31,500 --> 00:11:37,460 of Financial Management and other numbers, I mean, we're under 2% by quite a bit. I think we're at 146 00:11:37,460 --> 00:11:44,620 like 0.7% right now growth rate. So, you know, I mean, these first five years into this 20 year 147 00:11:44,620 --> 00:11:50,160 projection slower, but maybe it catches up, maybe we do things. But those were the numbers 148 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,460 that we're working off of. Do you want to add anything to that? 149 00:11:56,850 --> 00:12:01,010 You're Stephen Swadge to planning director. I think part of the question was about the 150 00:12:01,010 --> 00:12:05,690 difference why we're growing more housing than population. There are some dynamics in there 151 00:12:05,690 --> 00:12:10,470 with household size. Household size has in generally been decreasing over time, which would 152 00:12:10,470 --> 00:12:17,830 indicate more housing is being built than population. On the other hand, we've also had 153 00:12:19,070 --> 00:12:24,110 With the housing shortage, you've had more people staying as roommates longer, so I think 154 00:12:24,110 --> 00:12:29,590 some of that decline in housing household size has gone the opposite direction. 155 00:12:30,330 --> 00:12:34,490 The HO5 report and the methodology to try to turn these into housing targets tries to 156 00:12:34,490 --> 00:12:40,430 account for both the household size changes as well as curing the housing shortfall. 157 00:12:41,030 --> 00:12:46,650 So that includes planning for the amount of housing that it would take to house everyone 158 00:12:46,650 --> 00:12:52,110 who is currently unsheltered, as well as take care of that Latin demand of folks who are 159 00:12:52,650 --> 00:12:56,710 in a room situation that they would rather not be in, maybe living with someone and they'd rather 160 00:12:56,710 --> 00:13:02,010 be on their own. So that's why you see more housing than population because we are short on it now. 161 00:13:02,450 --> 00:13:08,450 I guess from the standpoint of just trying to make good decisions when we have limited 162 00:13:08,450 --> 00:13:14,730 disability into the future, I think it sounds like in the past those projections had generally 163 00:13:14,730 --> 00:13:21,810 been in the right vicinity and I'm not uncomfortable with them recently being a little low because 164 00:13:21,810 --> 00:13:24,090 we have so much built-in need. 165 00:13:25,790 --> 00:13:31,070 Even if we over forecast on this, we're still in a supply-demand problem right now that 166 00:13:31,070 --> 00:13:33,790 this should, if this goes this way, would relieve a little bit. 167 00:13:34,390 --> 00:13:37,510 I just wanted to get a general sense of that because before we dive into some of 168 00:13:37,510 --> 00:13:42,150 the details, I want to see if the magnitude is right and if we've proven it in the 169 00:13:42,150 --> 00:13:45,730 past we've done these things that they worked sort of the way we intended at 170 00:13:45,730 --> 00:13:50,110 least not enough well enough so that we don't do the wrong things. Yeah I mean 171 00:13:50,110 --> 00:13:53,410 then again I could have put it so many more details but I didn't want to 172 00:13:53,410 --> 00:13:58,230 technical data you folks all with after information that Chris has provided 173 00:13:58,230 --> 00:14:03,570 you in the past but yeah I mean we're in such a huge supply shortage right now 174 00:14:03,570 --> 00:14:08,830 that any housing definitely helps and it will reach that our target needs. 175 00:14:09,570 --> 00:14:10,090 Thanks. 176 00:14:10,090 --> 00:14:10,310 Thanks. 177 00:14:11,470 --> 00:14:15,190 Is there any further questions on the rethink housing closeout portion? 178 00:14:16,290 --> 00:14:21,330 Then the next, again, what we heard from community members through three of these outreach efforts 179 00:14:21,330 --> 00:14:27,190 from the consolidated plan, the fair housing, as well as the affordable housing solutions 180 00:14:27,190 --> 00:14:31,290 plan exercise, you know, affordability is the top concern of many of the residents. 181 00:14:31,930 --> 00:14:33,170 I'm sorry, I'm taking one step back. 182 00:14:33,170 --> 00:14:40,850 So the public outreach, it was mainly to target it to housing related audiences from some of the 183 00:14:40,850 --> 00:14:45,730 affordable housing surveys to, again, service providers and other folks who deal in the housing 184 00:14:45,730 --> 00:14:50,470 space. So that's sort of that realm of who's responding to these. But the top concerns 185 00:14:50,470 --> 00:14:54,750 that we heard were that, again, affordability is the top concern, more housing is needed, 186 00:14:54,750 --> 00:14:59,790 larger unit sizes, support services, tenant protection. 187 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:05,080 And, again, more place-based reinvestment. So we're taking, again, a lot of just different 188 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:12,900 inputs from data to stakeholder input, et cetera, into creating a very comprehensive strategy 189 00:15:12,900 --> 00:15:19,120 moving forward. And so what we end up is partially what we heard when we were doing also a comp 190 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:25,780 plan is that oftentimes a lot of the, I would just say, city documents are overly complicated. 191 00:15:25,780 --> 00:15:31,920 And so one of the goals that I was trying to make or achieve is to create something simplistic. It's easy to understand. 192 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:50,980 So some of these concepts and themes were a continuation that's been taken out of the comprehensive plan as well as again some of these other variables that went into making or putting together a strategy that will help create a thriving and vibrant housing market for Everett. 193 00:15:50,980 --> 00:15:54,640 So if we just sort of go clockwise starting from the top, 194 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:56,800 one of the 10 pillars is leadership. 195 00:15:57,100 --> 00:16:00,540 And that leadership theme goes both internally. 196 00:16:00,860 --> 00:16:01,880 What we can do is a city. 197 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,380 And I sort of see it upon that the city's hiring of me 198 00:16:05,380 --> 00:16:06,460 trying to push housing. 199 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:07,960 That's one great step in leadership. 200 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,040 It can also mean other aspects of leadership, 201 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,700 like taking a leadership approach in, for example, 202 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,760 the manufactured housing realm or other areas. 203 00:16:16,900 --> 00:16:19,520 And so I think that's a key pillar of strategy 204 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:31,190 Would you prefer we go by each pillar, or would you like me to go all over and then we can come back and talk into detail of any questions? 205 00:16:33,130 --> 00:16:34,130 I'll make a decision. 206 00:16:35,650 --> 00:16:36,570 Just speak. 207 00:16:36,930 --> 00:16:37,170 Okay. 208 00:16:37,410 --> 00:16:41,370 And then we'll be like, but what did you say about collaboration and partnerships? 209 00:16:42,250 --> 00:16:54,070 And so, yeah, I mean, leadership I think it's pretty self-explanatory, supply, again, that's really focused on new construction, preservation, anything that really deals with that housing supply realm. 210 00:16:54,290 --> 00:16:56,150 And these are, again, very broad themes. 211 00:16:56,370 --> 00:17:03,610 And then when we come back in September, we will have more targeted specific strategic initiatives that we're working under each of these. 212 00:17:03,770 --> 00:17:09,550 But, again, I think we talked a lot internally, as well as spoken a lot with folks. 213 00:17:09,550 --> 00:17:15,550 what we need in terms of producing, again, a thriving and sustainable housing market here in Everett. 214 00:17:16,090 --> 00:17:22,650 So supply. The third one is, again, focusing on innovation and industrialized production, not settling with status quo. 215 00:17:22,870 --> 00:17:27,290 Again, as you mentioned, Councilmember Zerlingo, we understand we have a huge housing shortage. 216 00:17:28,090 --> 00:17:35,130 And, you know, I think about doing this 20-plus years ago in other cities, it's always this catch-up process of the mind that we just cannot. 217 00:17:35,610 --> 00:17:45,010 It's not, I'm not saying that our current building methods are wrong, but at the same time it's not keeping, you know, it's not meeting our quota of what we need. 218 00:17:45,090 --> 00:17:57,970 And so we need to think outside of the box. And in many ways we're looking at innovation, whether that's housing finance innovation or just taking that position of thinking broader as well as looking at other types of building methods to see how we can. 219 00:17:57,970 --> 00:17:59,670 making the pace of housing production. 220 00:18:00,350 --> 00:18:02,510 The fourth pillar, healthy and resilient communities. 221 00:18:02,730 --> 00:18:04,810 This one focuses more on both the public health 222 00:18:04,810 --> 00:18:07,070 and the environmental health aspects of housing. 223 00:18:07,530 --> 00:18:10,030 So oftentimes, we understand, going back 224 00:18:10,030 --> 00:18:11,630 to what I mentioned earlier with housing 225 00:18:11,630 --> 00:18:13,470 as the foundation for so many other things, 226 00:18:14,230 --> 00:18:15,610 from the way you design housing 227 00:18:15,610 --> 00:18:18,290 and the way you focus on whether it should be 228 00:18:18,290 --> 00:18:20,070 more lower density or higher density. 229 00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:21,650 These have a lot of implications 230 00:18:21,650 --> 00:18:24,410 to a person's health and welfare, 231 00:18:24,870 --> 00:18:27,370 as well as when we look on the environmental side, 232 00:18:27,370 --> 00:18:32,230 There's so many other aspects that we can – that we should seek to address to make 233 00:18:32,230 --> 00:18:36,610 sure that we're using our resources efficiently, we're using energy efficiently, all these 234 00:18:36,610 --> 00:18:40,890 other things that as populations grow, they become harder and harder to address. 235 00:18:41,170 --> 00:18:45,430 So, you know, I think we should risk manage early to look at these issues early on and 236 00:18:45,430 --> 00:18:48,250 build in these policies and practices so that we can address that. 237 00:18:49,230 --> 00:18:50,790 The next pillar is funding, which is – 238 00:18:50,790 --> 00:18:53,690 I'm going to just pause you just for one second because what you'll learn as 239 00:18:53,690 --> 00:18:56,750 we go through this in the future, too, that some of the initiatives will touch 240 00:18:56,750 --> 00:19:02,930 multiple kind of strategic framework. And so some of our work with ensuring 241 00:19:02,930 --> 00:19:07,450 sheltering and things for our, you know, kind of vulnerable populations might 242 00:19:07,450 --> 00:19:10,690 fall under healthy and resilient communities. So I just kind of wanted to 243 00:19:10,690 --> 00:19:15,650 put that placeholder in there, too, that it is being addressed and you'll 244 00:19:15,650 --> 00:19:18,370 hopefully show up in multiple places as we move forward. 245 00:19:18,970 --> 00:19:21,050 Key is, again, housing. It's such an 246 00:19:21,050 --> 00:19:25,230 interrelated topic to so many other things but these we feel are the 10 big 247 00:19:25,230 --> 00:19:29,550 buckets that hitting all of these again will really help support a strong 248 00:19:29,550 --> 00:19:34,950 housing market forever. The fifth pillar funding again pretty self-explanatory a 249 00:19:34,950 --> 00:19:38,770 real critical issue that goes both from how the city can participate in 250 00:19:38,770 --> 00:19:45,070 finding more resources or to also the city like myself I actively go out 251 00:19:45,070 --> 00:19:49,250 hunt for resources to support our partners in developing housing but 252 00:19:49,250 --> 00:20:04,970 funding is a critical piece. The next piece, workforce development, also a huge piece that often gets overlooked. I mean, there's such a huge shortfall in labor, both on the traditional side, but even more so on any kind of innovative housing from the manufacturer side. 253 00:20:05,670 --> 00:20:13,610 So, you know, this is working with our partners to make sure that the programs are in place, identifying the need, finding support, funding, etc. 254 00:20:13,610 --> 00:20:22,230 But that's one critical component that I think the city should take a more active approach and supporting education. 255 00:20:22,770 --> 00:20:31,110 This often again, you've heard it on countless times from Chris where what folks think of maybe, for example, affordable housing, what it is. 256 00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:34,910 There's, I think, a lot of times a misnomer of what housing is. 257 00:20:34,910 --> 00:20:41,870 And so, education-wise, from the types of resources we put out on our website to working 258 00:20:41,870 --> 00:20:46,990 with partners in many ways, it's education's a critical component and something that we 259 00:20:46,990 --> 00:20:48,890 will put a heavy emphasis on, yes. 260 00:20:50,150 --> 00:20:56,730 I can hear you just fine, but I ask that just, yeah, because I'm not sure how you're 261 00:20:56,730 --> 00:20:58,110 getting through to YouTube. 262 00:20:58,490 --> 00:20:59,370 Thank you for that reminder. 263 00:21:01,430 --> 00:21:05,130 Yeah, the eighth pillar, access and stability. 264 00:21:05,370 --> 00:21:16,530 This one focuses more on social services, operations, those other indirect to housing, but equally as important in making sure that it all just works out. 265 00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:19,750 I mean, oftentimes we've tried this sort of housing first. 266 00:21:19,870 --> 00:21:21,430 Sometimes it doesn't work out right away. 267 00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:24,530 And so we need to have all those other amenities 268 00:21:24,530 --> 00:21:28,690 to make sure that a person that needs those services 269 00:21:28,690 --> 00:21:29,850 have access to that. 270 00:21:30,570 --> 00:21:32,170 And would you like to touch on that any further? 271 00:21:33,050 --> 00:21:33,370 OK. 272 00:21:35,250 --> 00:21:37,330 Ninth pillar, collaboration partnerships. 273 00:21:37,610 --> 00:21:38,390 Again, this is huge. 274 00:21:38,610 --> 00:21:41,190 I mean, housing, it's beyond the region. 275 00:21:41,390 --> 00:21:41,830 It's national. 276 00:21:42,250 --> 00:21:43,390 We can't do it alone. 277 00:21:43,810 --> 00:21:46,590 I'm a big believer that some of these biggest challenges, 278 00:21:46,790 --> 00:21:48,110 we need to leverage our partnerships. 279 00:21:48,110 --> 00:21:55,070 And so working with local, regional, national partners of all kinds, and I've been trying 280 00:21:55,070 --> 00:21:59,150 to develop those relationships across all the different industries to make sure that 281 00:21:59,150 --> 00:22:05,470 we have a robust support mechanism for developing as well as preserving a housing as well as 282 00:22:05,470 --> 00:22:09,630 also to support some of those services and operations that are in place, so I mean collaboration. 283 00:22:09,970 --> 00:22:11,130 Again, big, big piece. 284 00:22:11,950 --> 00:22:16,990 And the 10th pillar, often what cities do, focusing on the permits and the regulatory 285 00:22:17,890 --> 00:22:36,850 So that, again, is making sure that we have policies and regulations in place that both support and facilitate housing but also protect the quality of life and, you know, all these other city characteristics, living characters that we want to achieve. 286 00:22:36,850 --> 00:22:50,390 And so all these are very high level, and then within each of these, there are a lot more specific strategic action initiatives that we are currently reviewing to put forth in the next five-year housing strategy. 287 00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:59,970 But that, again, is really summarizing this long-term strategic housing framework, and we're all open if there are other areas that we've missed that we should include. 288 00:23:00,810 --> 00:23:02,570 I could put a 11th pillar in if needed. 289 00:23:02,570 --> 00:23:17,730 So I don't think you need to add a pillar. I just wanted to bring up I'm constantly talking about low income housing and affordability and this and that and the other thing and it's terribly important and we don't have enough. 290 00:23:17,730 --> 00:23:22,750 However, in the, now I may get the words wrong, 291 00:23:22,810 --> 00:23:26,270 but Growth Management Act or something, 292 00:23:26,450 --> 00:23:28,290 tell me, that might not be right. 293 00:23:29,070 --> 00:23:33,490 The city of Everett is required by others 294 00:23:33,490 --> 00:23:36,830 to create more high-end housing, 295 00:23:37,150 --> 00:23:39,330 like all of our different jurisdictions 296 00:23:39,330 --> 00:23:43,870 have been given like you need to have this percentage 297 00:23:43,870 --> 00:23:51,130 of affordable housing at 30 AMI 50 AMI 80 AMI whatever it is and we're actually 298 00:23:51,130 --> 00:24:00,750 more we've been given the thou shall make some more high-end housing can you 299 00:24:00,750 --> 00:24:08,670 speak to how can you speak to that considering the 10 pillars and the 300 00:24:08,670 --> 00:24:12,290 importance of housing it I don't know all price points even though we're 301 00:24:12,290 --> 00:24:17,530 constantly talking about there's so many of us that absolutely cannot afford 302 00:24:18,150 --> 00:24:23,990 housing and yet here we are in Everett needing to supply more high-end. Yeah 303 00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:29,450 and again it sort of goes back to that 38,600 number it's a little I would say 304 00:24:29,450 --> 00:24:33,350 misleading in some sense because the HL5 report says we need roughly about 305 00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:39,130 10-11,000 between the zero to a 30% AMI and then there are the 20,000 above 306 00:24:40,910 --> 00:24:51,230 But at the same time, we know because of this housing shortage, a lot of people who have means they're occupying housing at lower income spectrum. 307 00:24:51,230 --> 00:24:56,870 So we should still be aiming for housing within that, you know, 50 to 80% range. 308 00:24:57,010 --> 00:25:01,110 I think, again, there's such a short shortage of housing that it's restricting in many sense. 309 00:25:01,390 --> 00:25:08,930 But I mean, where you are looking at various strategies to encourage what was called market rate, the 80% and above. 310 00:25:10,050 --> 00:25:16,310 You know, oftentimes we have our main tool right now is our multi-family tax exemption from a rental standpoint. 311 00:25:16,930 --> 00:25:24,270 We are looking at tweaking that the state recently also updated for the 25-year home ownership portion of that to make it more usable. 312 00:25:24,910 --> 00:25:32,450 So, you know, there are strategies and we are planning to look at and addressing that. 313 00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:39,470 Yeah, I mean, again, this whole body of work, there's so many things that we can talk about, 314 00:25:39,570 --> 00:25:42,930 but the details and more of that will be coming in September. 315 00:25:44,770 --> 00:25:46,410 Thank you. Yes. 316 00:25:48,420 --> 00:25:51,740 Well, there were a couple of things that come up. I mean, this is a regional problem, 317 00:25:51,740 --> 00:25:57,940 as Council Member Vogli had said, and we are the one city in the county, 318 00:25:58,020 --> 00:26:01,180 I think, that has majority rentals rather than majority homeowners. 319 00:26:01,180 --> 00:26:06,960 So that probably speaks to why if you look at the biggest missing trunk we have. 320 00:26:07,460 --> 00:26:07,640 Sorry. 321 00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:09,500 There, sorry. 322 00:26:10,020 --> 00:26:10,760 I was not switched on. 323 00:26:12,340 --> 00:26:27,040 So just was commenting, this is a regional problem and we're the city in the county with the majority renters rather than homeowners as most of the others, which is probably leads to why we have a missing area of the higher levels of AMI. 324 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:37,680 I guess I'm, and as I understand it, the state and regional mandates have, they don't mandate that we do these things. 325 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,340 They mandate that we allow for them, that our planning allows for them. 326 00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:43,320 We don't, you know, we can't compel it. 327 00:26:43,420 --> 00:26:44,840 Have I got that straight? 328 00:26:46,460 --> 00:26:50,840 Well, you could speak on more of the actual regulatory behind it, but... 329 00:26:51,780 --> 00:26:52,960 That's generally true. 330 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,740 Like, we don't have to build the market rate housing. 331 00:26:56,740 --> 00:26:58,340 We have to zone for it. 332 00:26:59,540 --> 00:27:14,600 We might look at funding that's available for the zero to 30 or the other types of more subsidized housing, like funding tools that we exercised all of them, like the multifamily tax exemption or like our home funds. 333 00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:16,300 And how are we using those tools? 334 00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:23,840 And then beyond just zoning, how does the other parts of our code or do they make it? 335 00:27:24,780 --> 00:27:27,100 they sort of facilitate that growth. 336 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:32,620 But to date, we're not in trouble if doesn't happen. 337 00:27:33,220 --> 00:27:36,640 Well, yeah, I mean, kind of last week 338 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,800 I went to several different neighborhoods 339 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,720 at National Night Out and housing and house prices 340 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,460 and affordability and the chance for our kids 341 00:27:45,460 --> 00:27:50,040 to buy here or to own here, those things all came up. 342 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:57,340 So those raised questions about some of it can be fairness or equity here is our other cities. 343 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:03,120 And one question I guess I can raise in that is, the numbers we were talking about, about growth a few minutes ago, 344 00:28:03,220 --> 00:28:08,860 is that similar to what's expected in other communities around us, our adjacent communities? 345 00:28:09,540 --> 00:28:15,300 Well, first I want to, on your last point, one clarity in terms of more renters than owners. 346 00:28:15,300 --> 00:28:18,960 I think I'm in the last numbers I've looked at recently when we were preparing the Complan. 347 00:28:19,220 --> 00:28:24,100 It used to be renters over ownership and now it's evened out again roughly 50-50. 348 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:31,040 So there's that to the point of encouraging versus mandating, I guess you can say. 349 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,640 Yeah, I mean, I know oftentimes people talk about what is the responsibility of a city. 350 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:44,060 Oftentimes it's just providing that service, doing the policies and especially in the housing front, 351 00:28:44,060 --> 00:28:49,200 planning for that capacity and letting the private sector do it. But at the same time, 352 00:28:49,780 --> 00:28:56,100 again, thinking back 30 years now and doing this in other cities as well, that approach does not 353 00:28:56,100 --> 00:29:03,940 seem effective in many places. We've done that. We've planned for it in the market. So I prefer 354 00:29:03,940 --> 00:29:09,520 more of an encouragement working with the private sector, figuring out what we can do to make 355 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:18,220 I think our regulatory process and all these other pieces here, more supportive of a stronger housing market. 356 00:29:18,340 --> 00:29:27,220 So we're not just, you know, I often say, and this may be a bad phrase, but it's just a hope if we're just expecting things to happen without actively approaching it 357 00:29:27,220 --> 00:29:30,700 and intentionally planning and doing things behind it. 358 00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:34,720 And so, again, I think the city should take a more active approach. 359 00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:40,580 And this is a sort of a thought process where this is where you're getting that concept of 360 00:29:40,580 --> 00:29:43,920 social housing coming into play because a lot of European counterparts have done it, 361 00:29:43,940 --> 00:29:45,740 taken on the more affordable side. 362 00:29:45,860 --> 00:29:49,640 So, again, really sort of goes back to, sorry, I know I've gone now to the weeds. 363 00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:55,760 My gosh, well, only because like the innovation and the forward thinking that we have in 364 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,620 our housing program manager is exceptional and we're really lucky for that. 365 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,460 And he also is the biggest advocate for housing and for us prioritizing housing, and we also need that. 366 00:30:05,780 --> 00:30:09,480 Unfortunately, we have a lot of other priorities that you all have to make decisions on, 367 00:30:09,740 --> 00:30:13,980 but you're always going to have Frank as our biggest advocate and a wealth of knowledge 368 00:30:13,980 --> 00:30:19,980 to help us as we navigate these things. So, and also super cool ideas, even from other countries. 369 00:30:20,380 --> 00:30:24,280 So definitely, you know, I don't want to stop you and you can ask him to continue, 370 00:30:24,420 --> 00:30:27,220 but I did want to just kind of set the guardrails. 371 00:30:27,220 --> 00:30:31,220 There were just a couple of related things and one of them you mentioned the multifamily 372 00:30:31,220 --> 00:30:36,420 tax exemption and I'm thinking about I'm not sure how or whether that's structured in 373 00:30:36,420 --> 00:30:37,780 other communities as well. 374 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,620 That was one question. 375 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,180 The other one is kind of general growth rates of those communities. 376 00:30:43,380 --> 00:30:44,360 Are they similar to ours? 377 00:30:45,860 --> 00:30:49,300 And then the other one is I think we should reflect that our budgets that we've approved 378 00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:55,240 have approved higher levels of staffing in permitting to make it easier for people 379 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:55,980 to build. 380 00:30:55,980 --> 00:30:59,920 because in a lot of ways, I mean in this country especially, the resources to build this housing 381 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:04,180 are commonly coming from the private sector. That's where the money and investment is. 382 00:31:05,180 --> 00:31:09,700 You know, we don't even have a state income tax here in this state, and we don't have the 383 00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:15,500 levels of taxation of the European countries. So they can be inspirations to us, but we can't 384 00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:18,880 duplicate many of those things. We don't have anywhere near the same structures, 385 00:31:19,660 --> 00:31:24,460 legal or tax wise. So I guess one of the then a couple of questions that come to me, 386 00:31:24,460 --> 00:31:26,320 And again, we can address these things in September. 387 00:31:26,540 --> 00:31:29,040 I'm just coming up to speed on these aspects of this now, 388 00:31:29,140 --> 00:31:31,440 but things like the multifamily tax exemptions, 389 00:31:31,580 --> 00:31:33,200 what are other communities doing, 390 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,040 and also things like what kind of growth are they facing 391 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,740 or planning for, what kind have they had recently 392 00:31:39,740 --> 00:31:41,940 so we understand the load we're picking up. 393 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,400 I think he'd be willing to come back, you know, 394 00:31:45,460 --> 00:31:48,980 to provide you with other snapshot set data, I'm sure. 395 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,540 I mean, that would speak for you, 396 00:31:50,620 --> 00:31:52,320 but I think that would be special. 397 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:57,060 Well, especially when we're approving things like staffing, extra, you know, money spent 398 00:31:57,060 --> 00:32:03,700 on staffing to improve the permitting process and when we're spending, when we're adjusting 399 00:32:03,700 --> 00:32:08,600 taxes like the multifamily tax exemption, it would be nice to know how that interacts 400 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,160 because I just yesterday had a meeting with Stomach County tomorrow and a big chunk, 401 00:32:12,340 --> 00:32:18,580 well, the subcommittee, but that whole group is in part a biggest chunk of what they 402 00:32:18,580 --> 00:32:21,360 do has to do with how we're doing growth across the county. 403 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,820 And that's what I mean getting back all the way to my earlier comment about this is a regional problem 404 00:32:25,820 --> 00:32:30,620 And I want to make sure that we are looking at this and taking actions from a reasonable 405 00:32:30,620 --> 00:32:37,180 Regional standpoint and sometimes that includes people like me at other meetings of my counterparts, you know leaning on them to 406 00:32:37,740 --> 00:32:40,140 to be a little more accommodating to be a little more 407 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,980 Understanding of the level they should pick up to 408 00:32:45,890 --> 00:32:47,350 Council member Ryan. Thank you 409 00:32:47,950 --> 00:32:51,350 This is more of I guess a food for thought type of comment 410 00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:58,330 So, Steve, of course, Collier, I had had a brain worm, or not, so that's not the right one. 411 00:32:59,950 --> 00:33:10,410 I have a thought a little, anyways, I had been thinking previously about, you know, we talk a lot about home ownership opportunities in Everett and majority renters and whatnot. 412 00:33:10,410 --> 00:33:17,150 So, I got to wondering about how many true home ownership opportunities are there in the city of Everett. 413 00:33:17,150 --> 00:33:27,090 So if a household or a person owns multiple houses or multiple condo units with the intent 414 00:33:27,090 --> 00:33:37,430 of those extra ownership properties being only intended for rentals, it's taking those 415 00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:42,390 could-be home ownership opportunities off the table and out of circulation. 416 00:33:42,910 --> 00:33:53,190 So I asked Chris Collier if he had any way of kind of looking into how many true home ownership opportunities or unit ownership opportunities are there in Everett. 417 00:33:53,530 --> 00:34:00,090 And he ran some napkin data, so I don't want to hold him to it because he was just kind of went through it pretty quickly. 418 00:34:00,090 --> 00:34:08,130 But he, you know, did an inquiry of how many parcels that there are in Everett, and there 419 00:34:08,130 --> 00:34:10,510 were 23,072 ownership units. 420 00:34:11,110 --> 00:34:19,210 And then he parceled that data down and took out some LLCs and some lease incorporations 421 00:34:19,210 --> 00:34:22,150 and duplications and some other things. 422 00:34:22,850 --> 00:34:31,670 And anyways, his number ended with, he wrote, this leaves 17,000 parcels remaining for ownership 423 00:34:31,670 --> 00:34:34,710 and owned by the sole property of the current owner. 424 00:34:35,010 --> 00:34:40,490 So this would mean that 23% of Everett's available ownership units are held by an entity 425 00:34:40,490 --> 00:34:43,490 that is not the owner of a single parcel but many. 426 00:34:43,910 --> 00:34:48,670 So I thought that was helpful information to know that there are that many properties 427 00:34:50,030 --> 00:34:55,810 unavailable for ownership opportunities because they're owned by somebody with the intent of renting them only. 428 00:34:56,270 --> 00:35:04,290 And for that person to then become wealthier to purchase more properties to then take off the table for as an ownership opportunity for another person. 429 00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:08,650 So there's not, if you want to comment on it, I would love to hear your thoughts on it. 430 00:35:08,650 --> 00:35:16,810 Or I guess I don't have a question there, but it was just more of like a food for thought of like as we move forward with talking about a goal of ownership opportunities. 431 00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:23,790 There's some people who are hoarding that opportunity and it's unfair for the market as a whole. 432 00:35:24,010 --> 00:35:25,510 It's unfair for first-time home buyers. 433 00:35:25,770 --> 00:35:35,590 It's unfair for people who want to expand their personal wealth with the promise that if they can get into home ownership opportunities, 434 00:35:35,590 --> 00:35:37,550 then they'll be able to make it. 435 00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:44,850 But there's a barrier there by people who are taking advantage of the system because of their own personal wealth. 436 00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:50,890 That's my soapbox for a minute, but if you have any thoughts or anything, I'd love to hear it. 437 00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:56,910 Sure. I'll just comment really quickly. That has been a problem, especially when the rise of Airbnb 438 00:35:56,910 --> 00:36:01,090 and some of these other things throughout these years, and it sort of goes in these ebbs and flows 439 00:36:01,090 --> 00:36:06,990 where certain markets right now with housing tip and over, investors are selling in other stronger markets, 440 00:36:07,130 --> 00:36:10,830 investors are buying up properties left and right, so it really depends on that market. 441 00:36:10,830 --> 00:36:17,830 and I mean that is a large issue to also try to tackle how do we actually ensure that again the 442 00:36:17,830 --> 00:36:22,690 four products or four home ownership products are available. I mean yeah that's something 443 00:36:22,690 --> 00:36:29,490 to look at and delve more into and we've looked at it in the past and looked at protection 444 00:36:29,490 --> 00:36:33,810 measures of that but never really sort of came about to what exactly we needed to do but 445 00:36:33,810 --> 00:36:38,470 definitely it is a concern. One isn't some of the work you've been doing with Casino Road 446 00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:45,090 and with the concept of community land trust and things like that and the kind of future of what 447 00:36:45,090 --> 00:36:49,330 does it look like to condominium my smaller projects and things like that. I don't know if 448 00:36:49,330 --> 00:36:53,550 that's a word but you did you shook your head like you knew what I was talking about. So I think 449 00:36:53,550 --> 00:36:57,470 those are some of the things that you'll see in the future document of initiatives that we might 450 00:36:57,470 --> 00:37:03,150 want to pursue. So to be creative about how there might be more home ownership opportunities 451 00:37:03,150 --> 00:37:08,630 that might not be traditional single family homes yet, but so. 452 00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:09,150 Sure. 453 00:37:09,310 --> 00:37:13,550 Yeah, I think my concern would be, you know, when we often we talk about affordable housing, 454 00:37:13,610 --> 00:37:23,230 if there is a condominium unit that's available at a lower price point, a person, how do we protect that as a first-time home buyer opportunity? 455 00:37:23,250 --> 00:37:29,110 And I'm not sure if that's through a lending institution or if that's something that the city can mandate in any way, 456 00:37:29,110 --> 00:37:36,410 but making sure that people do have a true opportunity to be that first foot in the door instead of the highest going to the highest bidder. 457 00:37:37,150 --> 00:37:43,350 And especially for protecting communities like Casino Road from displacement and economic displacement from their homes. 458 00:37:43,730 --> 00:37:48,050 So, and then which thanks for mentioning the short term rentals. 459 00:37:48,250 --> 00:37:55,350 I'm trying to remember who this had or my county hat, but I had looked into it might have been the county hat with York when we were working at the county together. 460 00:37:55,350 --> 00:38:05,170 we had looked into short-term rentals and if there's a way for the city to or the county to 461 00:38:06,190 --> 00:38:11,410 just have more oversight into it or any way that like our lodging tax could be 462 00:38:12,410 --> 00:38:19,750 benefited from it or something to help the community and to protect against any sort of 463 00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:24,210 like negative repercussions of you know either too many units off the market because it's a 464 00:38:24,210 --> 00:38:27,650 short-term rental or just disruptions in neighborhoods because of short-term 465 00:38:27,650 --> 00:38:32,090 rentals. I think they can often be, you know, party houses on a Tuesday when the 466 00:38:32,090 --> 00:38:35,430 rest of the neighborhood's not necessarily up for that. So I'd be 467 00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:40,910 curious if there are ways that the city could look into that or I think it 468 00:38:40,910 --> 00:38:45,590 had to do with like a business license of some type and whatnot. But anyways, 469 00:38:46,070 --> 00:38:51,270 that's another. And I know we're not talking specifics here but I think a 470 00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:53,370 a lot of what you hit on is also making sure 471 00:38:53,370 --> 00:38:54,730 that we have that data available. 472 00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:58,890 And while we're still reviewing it, 473 00:38:59,010 --> 00:39:00,670 that's something we are looking at 474 00:39:00,670 --> 00:39:03,410 and bringing back in September back to again, 475 00:39:03,590 --> 00:39:05,570 one of the rethink housing that monitoring program 476 00:39:05,570 --> 00:39:08,790 where I know Julie has talked to us a lot about data, 477 00:39:09,350 --> 00:39:11,230 providing that data greater transparency. 478 00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:13,910 And so we're looking at creating ideally 479 00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:15,770 a very robust monitoring system. 480 00:39:16,510 --> 00:39:18,450 I know you've probably followed this 481 00:39:18,450 --> 00:39:19,710 more closely than I have, 482 00:39:19,970 --> 00:39:21,950 but nationwide, one of the trends has been 483 00:39:21,950 --> 00:39:27,030 for the huge private equity companies like BlackRock to be buying up in single-family 484 00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:29,870 homes and taking them off the market. 485 00:39:30,010 --> 00:39:33,390 And I don't know if that trend has hit ever or not yet, but it certainly will. 486 00:39:38,020 --> 00:39:41,260 One other thing I guess I'd throw out there that I was trying to learn about a little 487 00:39:41,260 --> 00:39:44,560 more recently are unit lot subdivisions. 488 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:49,500 And that sounds like that's another option in terms of the way things can be configured. 489 00:39:49,740 --> 00:39:53,880 Although I need to understand a lot more about what that might do to neighborhoods 490 00:39:53,880 --> 00:40:09,900 and development patterns and how that will interact with the recent state laws and I am a little bit more than a little bit mindful cautious about so much happening at once with the state laws with a comprehensive plan and people having to get familiar with what that and what that's going to mean. 491 00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:23,540 But some of those things might be especially with maybe some tax kinds of tax and regulatory things might encourage more home ownership or individual ownership rather than corporate ownership. 492 00:40:26,100 --> 00:40:27,180 Next slide. 493 00:40:28,580 --> 00:40:31,420 Pretty much that includes that. 494 00:40:32,380 --> 00:40:37,980 Again, we will come back in September to review this strategic housing framework with 495 00:40:37,980 --> 00:40:42,680 the rest of your colleagues as well as getting more details about the actual action items 496 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,620 that we plan for the next five years. 497 00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:50,180 And again, the goal is to get this process done over the next four months so that we 498 00:40:50,180 --> 00:40:51,740 have something to launch in 26. 499 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,280 I wasn't looking at my paper copy, so I thought you probably had more slides than 500 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:00,000 just the one. 501 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,100 And I'm super happy about this conversation 502 00:41:04,100 --> 00:41:05,420 and how it has gone. 503 00:41:05,860 --> 00:41:09,120 So yeah, I'm just really excited to introduce you 504 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,660 to some of the work then, how we're thinking about it. 505 00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:13,920 Cause again, it's such a urgent issue. 506 00:41:14,140 --> 00:41:15,500 It's such an important issue 507 00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:17,680 that can wanted to share this with you. 508 00:41:19,460 --> 00:41:22,740 I imagine you were also looking, 509 00:41:23,420 --> 00:41:26,880 okay, I don't even know if I should bring it up, 510 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,580 but there's been some, okay. 511 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,140 I think it's very beneficial for the city of Everett 512 00:41:35,140 --> 00:41:38,160 that we have just completed our comprehensive plan 513 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,480 and it was brought to my attention 514 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:47,180 that not every jurisdiction passes the comp plan 515 00:41:47,180 --> 00:41:51,540 and puts all of those things into ordinance. 516 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,360 And so now there's some legal action 517 00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:00,940 against a different jurisdiction, and I think that we'll find, should I say their name out loud, 518 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:02,540 Mercer Island. 519 00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:12,120 So maybe you can discuss what I'm talking about, if you know what I'm talking about. 520 00:42:13,020 --> 00:42:20,660 Futurewise has done some interesting legal stuff towards Mercer Island, 521 00:42:20,660 --> 00:42:28,100 and they didn't, they didn't codify their comprehensive plan. And so I imagine we're 522 00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:36,710 looking at what could be possible when somebody digging out of this hole. 523 00:42:36,970 --> 00:42:41,810 I would just, I hadn't, I haven't read about Mercer Island. So now you've given me something to 524 00:42:41,810 --> 00:42:46,670 some articles to look into. It's great. It's brand new. I, I do know that our, 525 00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:51,010 having passed, you guys did both the comp plan and the development regulations 526 00:42:51,010 --> 00:42:55,390 at the same time and other cities around us didn't do that. 527 00:42:56,690 --> 00:42:59,110 I think it was great because they're both tough decisions, 528 00:42:59,330 --> 00:43:03,250 but you did them at the same time, kind of with the same level of awareness of the community. 529 00:43:04,910 --> 00:43:08,570 Usually, both of them can be obscure and sometimes kind of hard to dig into, 530 00:43:08,690 --> 00:43:15,810 but I think that process that you're a glad facilitated that, you know, outreach and awareness. 531 00:43:15,970 --> 00:43:18,130 And you heard from a lot, you didn't hear from everybody. 532 00:43:18,130 --> 00:43:22,870 we will hear from others when the land use changes actually start to happen. But we did hear from 533 00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:27,830 folks throughout the city from all districts, all neighborhoods, probably all neighborhoods are close 534 00:43:27,830 --> 00:43:37,030 enough. And it probably also provides like a level of maybe protection kind of to your point 535 00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:43,810 that you committed to a vision and then you took steps to implement it via the development 536 00:43:43,810 --> 00:43:50,810 regulations and then so maybe that helped. It did. I'm just adding our city on the back right now 537 00:43:50,810 --> 00:43:59,330 and I think that uh yep that's what I'm doing. Some of them did it in December. We took longer 538 00:43:59,330 --> 00:44:04,370 but we did everything all at once and some of them aren't done with all of the things that 539 00:44:04,370 --> 00:44:06,470 they have to do yet or are struggling through it. 540 00:44:11,620 --> 00:44:16,800 It is a quarter to six. Do you or you 541 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,840 I have more questions or discussions about Everett housing strategy. 542 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,120 No. Thank you so 543 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:32,360 much for being here and giving us the preview for September and allowing this conversation. 544 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:09,180 Talk about next meeting agenda topics. There's a whole list here. And I'm being shown something. 545 00:45:09,380 --> 00:45:10,820 Would you like to speak, Council Member Ryan? 546 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:16,400 Yes, I would. Thank you very much. It's kind of a walk on for this evening, so I'm just 547 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,820 going to give a light overview. A couple of council meetings ago when we did a stadium 548 00:45:20,820 --> 00:45:25,700 update, Council Member Fosse had asked for an opportunity for council to weigh in 549 00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:33,760 priorities for a new stadium if we move forward with it. And she had drafted up a 550 00:45:34,460 --> 00:45:39,380 brief framework resolution in support of the Everett multi-use event center and 551 00:45:39,380 --> 00:45:44,660 declaration of priorities as set by the Everett City Council. We've made copies 552 00:45:44,660 --> 00:45:49,400 to provide to the Parks and Built Environment Committee here today. It 553 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,260 does cover priorities related to the economic development and local 554 00:45:53,260 --> 00:45:58,360 investment, environmental and public health standards, cultural and educational values, 555 00:45:58,700 --> 00:46:04,300 community benefits and access, transportation and parking infrastructure, labor and workforce 556 00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:09,740 standards and ongoing oversight and accountability. So it's a fairly rough draft. I won't go into too 557 00:46:09,740 --> 00:46:16,740 many details on it, but the ask is to make sure that this keeps moving forward so that we can 558 00:46:16,740 --> 00:46:21,900 make sure that we're ahead of the game for any sort of next ordinances that may come forward 559 00:46:21,900 --> 00:46:30,800 with the multi-use stadium. So the ask is for our committee individually to take a look at the draft 560 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:39,100 and provide any edits to ANGI by next Friday. And then at that point it will go to administration 561 00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:45,740 and legal for review and then to be put on a future council agenda for full discussion and 562 00:46:45,740 --> 00:46:50,940 review by full counsel and for a vote at some point as well. 563 00:46:51,260 --> 00:46:55,200 So that was my light high-level overview. 564 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,500 I'm so glad you brought that up because I did receive these papers, but I didn't realize 565 00:46:59,500 --> 00:47:00,840 they were for right now. 566 00:47:01,180 --> 00:47:05,180 Yeah, I think the thought was this month would be better than waiting a whole other 567 00:47:05,180 --> 00:47:08,740 month for our next committee meeting, so just to make sure that we keep that ball 568 00:47:08,740 --> 00:47:09,020 rolling. 569 00:47:10,580 --> 00:47:11,220 Thank you. 570 00:47:11,220 --> 00:47:14,000 Do we want any input from anybody sitting over there? 571 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,900 We, I just look forward to seeing it as well. 572 00:47:19,460 --> 00:47:34,100 And then we'll work with the outdoor event center team and legal to just make sure that the concepts kind of fit into the process and bring it forward in a good and productive way. 573 00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:44,380 Well, I'm guessing what this will do is give the council a chance to be explicit about some of its priorities and tradeoffs because as any of these big projects, there will be tradeoffs. 574 00:47:44,620 --> 00:47:53,040 There will be choices that have to be made and this will be a chance to kind of get ahead of that with an explicit explanation of those priorities. 575 00:47:57,010 --> 00:48:01,210 That's it on that subject. Should we do anything else or should we adjourn? 576 00:48:01,210 --> 00:48:05,130 We're next. You don't know about this, so I'll let you know. 577 00:48:05,570 --> 00:48:15,030 For next month, I think we're hoping to bring the draft ordinance, speaking of things we didn't actually do when we adopted the comp plan, the manufactured home overlay zone. 578 00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:16,050 Ah, yes. Great. 579 00:48:16,050 --> 00:48:26,610 And so it's work. It's going to planning commission in September. And so we could staff is open. I think if folks wanted to meet outside of the committee meeting. 580 00:48:26,610 --> 00:48:33,550 But this committee meeting next month also fits into the process before we get it to the full council to have you review it. 581 00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:37,710 Sounds delightful by delightful. I mean, a good idea. 582 00:48:38,170 --> 00:48:39,510 Maybe not like yay. 583 00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:45,690 I think it's kind of a little, yeah, yeah, it's great for those folks who came to council 584 00:48:45,690 --> 00:48:46,110 with the. 585 00:48:46,130 --> 00:48:47,550 Oh yeah, it needs to be done. 586 00:48:49,150 --> 00:48:54,470 Credit to the planning department for getting working on that, even before we were done 587 00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:59,190 with the comprehensive plan so that we're steps ahead on that now, that can happen 588 00:48:59,830 --> 00:49:00,450 pretty rapidly. 589 00:49:00,870 --> 00:49:06,790 And with respect, especially to the impacts of large and private equity corporate ownership 590 00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:16,850 of some of these parks and the downstream influences of that. I think this is one of the levers, maybe the only one we have to pull in terms of doing the best for our residents in that. 591 00:49:17,110 --> 00:49:20,490 So really happy to see that forward. And thanks to Planning for working on that. 592 00:49:20,750 --> 00:49:24,230 I just wanted to let you say it's going to Planning Commission in September. I thought it's going next week. 593 00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:26,470 Starting next week and September. 594 00:49:27,870 --> 00:49:32,650 For those of you who didn't hear, starting next week and September, it's going to Planning Commission. 595 00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:35,190 And you can watch that online. 596 00:49:35,550 --> 00:49:36,630 Yes, Council Member Ryan. 597 00:49:36,770 --> 00:49:36,930 Great. 598 00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:43,050 Speaking of other upcoming agenda topics, we have on our pending items for future discussion 599 00:49:43,050 --> 00:49:48,250 about park fencing and gates and since it's been about almost, I think we'll be coming 600 00:49:48,250 --> 00:49:52,710 up soon on a year since our park rangers had accepted the voluntary separation. 601 00:49:53,230 --> 00:49:58,470 I think it would be a great time for an update from our parks team, a report back 602 00:49:58,470 --> 00:50:02,370 I guess on how this last year has gone and any I know there's been a lot of 603 00:50:02,370 --> 00:50:06,870 concerns from the community as well about not having park rangers so I think 604 00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:13,530 it'd be helpful for council and also for the public to hear about how things 605 00:50:13,530 --> 00:50:17,290 have been going this last year without our park rangers and the gates and 606 00:50:17,290 --> 00:50:18,210 closures and whatnot. 607 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:28,180 Thank you and with that we 608 00:50:30,740 --> 00:50:31,800 shall adjourn.