1 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,760 because I had a 2 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:22,879 >> Okay, I'm going to call the meeting to 3 00:03:22,879 --> 00:03:24,800 order. Thank you all for coming to the 4 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,239 uh May 28th Charter Review Committee. 5 00:03:28,239 --> 00:03:30,000 It's our final meeting in person here. 6 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,920 Anyways, took roll call. Brady begin 7 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:34,799 >> here. 8 00:03:34,799 --> 00:03:37,680 >> Randy Boulderjack. Hello. Leland Dart 9 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,319 >> here. Grant Harrington, please believe 10 00:03:40,319 --> 00:03:41,599 he's online. 11 00:03:41,599 --> 00:03:42,959 >> I'm here. 12 00:03:42,959 --> 00:03:44,400 >> Here. 13 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,070 >> Sherryon. 14 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:49,040 » Tom Norcco 15 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,319 >> here. 16 00:03:50,319 --> 00:03:51,840 >> Sophia Pastor 17 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,599 >> here. 18 00:03:53,599 --> 00:03:54,720 >> Alan Rubio 19 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:55,599 >> here. 20 00:03:55,599 --> 00:03:57,040 >> Mason Rutled 21 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:58,400 >> here. 22 00:03:58,400 --> 00:03:59,760 >> Liz Stenhouse 23 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:00,799 >> here. 24 00:04:00,799 --> 00:04:04,309 >> John Trainer. 25 00:04:04,319 --> 00:04:05,280 » La Vasquez 26 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:06,159 >> here. 27 00:04:06,159 --> 00:04:07,280 >> And Deb Williams 28 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:13,030 >> here. Great. Thank you all. 29 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:14,239 Everybody had a chance to review the 30 00:04:14,239 --> 00:04:16,799 minutes that we posted, albeit late this 31 00:04:16,799 --> 00:04:18,560 week uh for tonight's meeting, which is 32 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,560 we know is it was a brief agenda, 33 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,000 although it's pretty packed what we're 34 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,120 going to talk about. Um if anybody has 35 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,440 questions or comments about today's 36 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:28,800 agenda, please bring them up. Otherwise, 37 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,520 I entertain a motion to approve 38 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,120 uh I'll start with the minutes from the 39 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:34,160 previous meeting. 40 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:35,680 >> Have any minutes? 41 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,600 >> Second. A motion and second to approve 42 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,040 the minutes from the previous meeting. 43 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:40,320 All in favor say I. 44 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:41,919 >> I. 45 00:04:41,919 --> 00:04:43,280 >> Oppose same sign. 46 00:04:43,280 --> 00:04:45,360 >> Chair votes I. Okay. Now let's approve 47 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,400 the agenda for tonight's meeting. Uh any 48 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:49,680 questions or comments or changes 49 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,749 necessary for the agenda? 50 00:04:53,759 --> 00:04:55,040 Seeing none, entertain a motion to 51 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:56,560 approve the agenda for tonight. 52 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:57,919 >> I move the agenda. 53 00:04:57,919 --> 00:04:59,280 >> Seconded. 54 00:04:59,280 --> 00:05:00,960 >> Moved and seconded to approve the agenda 55 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:02,880 for tonight. All in favor say I. 56 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:03,440 >> I. I. 57 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,960 >> Oppose. Same sign. Chair votes I agenda 58 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,919 has been approved 59 00:05:09,919 --> 00:05:11,520 being. So the first item of business 60 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:12,560 we're going to talk about is our 61 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,440 modernization proposal. Jennifer, do you 62 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:16,479 want to give us a brief? 63 00:05:16,479 --> 00:05:18,960 >> Yes. Um 64 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,560 so this is the language we talked about 65 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,960 at the end of the meeting last week. Um 66 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,479 okay, 67 00:05:28,479 --> 00:05:29,680 you're going to miss something in the 68 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,759 chat. Uh, and it reflects the desire to 69 00:05:33,759 --> 00:05:35,759 remove or to I guess augment the 70 00:05:35,759 --> 00:05:37,759 references to newspaper notification 71 00:05:37,759 --> 00:05:40,800 with um the addition of the opportunity 72 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,360 to post in on the city website as an 73 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:48,479 alternative. Um, I'll share that out of 74 00:05:48,479 --> 00:05:50,960 the draft report. I didn't do a separate 75 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,360 cover sheet, but it's been there to 76 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:54,639 >> You're looking at the draft. We're on 77 00:05:54,639 --> 00:05:55,600 page 19. 78 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,840 >> Yes. Um uh so there's four sections 79 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:04,000 where that appears. Um so 13.9 we added 80 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,400 instead of just four weeks in the city 81 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,319 official newspaper, we added or for four 82 00:06:08,319 --> 00:06:12,400 weeks on the city website. Um 15.5 has 83 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,680 to do with um noticing appointments of 84 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,000 police officers. So we added the or on 85 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,400 the city website there. There's language 86 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,960 in um 87 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,440 16.2 two about amendments proposed by 88 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,800 petition. So again just or on the city 89 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,479 website and then I think the last one is 90 00:06:30,479 --> 00:06:32,479 on the next page 91 00:06:32,479 --> 00:06:36,560 um which is um amendments to the charter 92 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,240 um which um have to be published uh well 93 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:41,520 this year they'll have to be published 94 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,199 once a week for two weeks in the city 95 00:06:43,199 --> 00:06:46,800 official newspaper um alternatively this 96 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,680 would add or for two successive weeks on 97 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,240 the city uh website. 98 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:52,720 So, 99 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,720 >> so Jennifer, can I ask a question? 100 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,319 >> Oh, I'm sorry. 101 00:06:56,319 --> 00:06:57,680 >> I mean, 102 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,599 >> so we're here to discuss. You want us to 103 00:06:59,599 --> 00:07:00,639 ask a question? You want to discuss? 104 00:07:00,639 --> 00:07:02,319 >> It's on this particular just on this 105 00:07:02,319 --> 00:07:04,639 very top one on the ordinances. That's 106 00:07:04,639 --> 00:07:05,759 the only question. 107 00:07:05,759 --> 00:07:06,319 >> Okay. 108 00:07:06,319 --> 00:07:08,080 >> So, it says for four weeks on the 109 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,080 ordinances, but ordinances are three 110 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,479 readings. So, does the clerk just 111 00:07:12,479 --> 00:07:15,840 publish it for an extra week or 112 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,759 >> um 113 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:21,919 I think that this implies that um 114 00:07:21,919 --> 00:07:24,319 franchise ordinances have to be 115 00:07:24,319 --> 00:07:26,080 published 116 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,400 currently for four weeks before the 117 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:29,759 first reading 118 00:07:29,759 --> 00:07:30,240 >> this. 119 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,800 >> And it's just for franchises though. 120 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:33,440 >> Okay. 121 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:33,840 >> Yeah. 122 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:34,400 >> Thank you. 123 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,000 >> Yeah. 124 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,720 So, not like every ordinance wouldn't 125 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,240 this just applies to that kind. So, 126 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,479 >> so where we're at on this? Go ahead. 127 00:07:44,479 --> 00:07:46,880 >> What's an example of a franchise 128 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,080 ordinance? 129 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,800 >> Um, an agreement with Comcast to let 130 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,840 them be a cable provider in the city or 131 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,520 with We don't have a franchise for 132 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,440 garbage service, but other cities do. 133 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,919 So, those are or like a utility company 134 00:07:59,919 --> 00:08:01,360 could have a franchise. 135 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,800 >> Yeah, we don't very many of them. 136 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,879 >> Yeah. 137 00:08:06,879 --> 00:08:08,319 >> So, where I see we're at as a committee 138 00:08:08,319 --> 00:08:09,840 with this topic, we've discussed this. 139 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:11,199 We asked for this language to be brought 140 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:13,759 forward and so this is the proposed 141 00:08:13,759 --> 00:08:16,000 language that we move forward with. So 142 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,520 we need somebody to make a motion that 143 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:18,879 we adopt this as one of our 144 00:08:18,879 --> 00:08:19,919 recommendations. 145 00:08:19,919 --> 00:08:22,240 >> I move that we adopt this language 146 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,560 >> and you want to second that. 147 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,240 >> Okay, it's been moved and seconded that 148 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,120 we take language that was provided to us 149 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,120 uh for the changes as we just talked 150 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:32,800 about. Is there any discussion on this 151 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,320 at all? We need to talk about it 152 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,880 anymore. And you know this is one of the 153 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,039 topics that came up early early on when 154 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:40,959 we first met because we talked about how 155 00:08:40,959 --> 00:08:42,959 antiquated the document was. This is one 156 00:08:42,959 --> 00:08:46,880 of the examples that we used. So it's u 157 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,519 refreshing that we actually got to this 158 00:08:49,519 --> 00:08:52,480 and came up with language that is going 159 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,760 to quote unquote modernize the the 160 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,240 charter. So 161 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,800 no discussion, no further discussion. Uh 162 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,200 entertain a well we'll call for the 163 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:07,360 vote. Everybody in favor of this uh 164 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,519 proposal to be added as one of 165 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:11,760 recommendations or say I 166 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,040 >> I 167 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,640 oppose same sign. 168 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,640 >> Okay. Passes unanimously. 169 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,279 >> Cool. All right. Thank you all for that. 170 00:09:23,279 --> 00:09:25,920 >> Yes. Grant voted no. Okay. 171 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,829 >> No, I voted yes. 172 00:09:29,839 --> 00:09:33,120 » Okay. I I just You gotta actually lower 173 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:37,440 You got to lower the hand, I guess. 174 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,880 I raised it and then I didn't lower it. 175 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:41,440 >> Okay. 176 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,080 >> All right. We got you. Thank you. 177 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:45,920 >> Okay. 178 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,640 >> All right. Next up is the review of the 179 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,959 final draft submitt that submitted. Did 180 00:09:50,959 --> 00:09:52,399 everybody get a copy of this and a 181 00:09:52,399 --> 00:09:58,310 chance to review it? 182 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,279 » Very good. I uh 183 00:10:01,279 --> 00:10:03,519 as well I got the uh preliminary draft 184 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:05,279 and I took uh a lot of time. I won't 185 00:10:05,279 --> 00:10:06,240 tell you how much time, but it was a 186 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,880 lot. It may have ever um and went 187 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,880 through it and just found that um 188 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,800 whatever AI bot they use was a little 189 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,399 bit behind on some things and there was 190 00:10:14,399 --> 00:10:15,680 some errors in there. So, I just went 191 00:10:15,680 --> 00:10:17,360 ahead and took the time to edit it a 192 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,760 little bit. And uh I hope you all got 193 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,240 this the one that had my comments in it 194 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,160 or edits and that I didn't miss 195 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:25,839 anything. I don't know or was pretty off 196 00:10:25,839 --> 00:10:28,959 at all. Yeah. So, the version that um I 197 00:10:28,959 --> 00:10:31,360 distributed and 198 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,079 um and sent out to everyone who's 199 00:10:34,079 --> 00:10:36,320 commented on the charter uh and the 200 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:40,959 media included all of your edits. And I 201 00:10:40,959 --> 00:10:44,000 also added some kind of mostly similar 202 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,040 vein edits from our um superstar 203 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:48,959 non-tarter review committee member but 204 00:10:48,959 --> 00:10:51,040 honorary resident or honorary member who 205 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,399 is a resident um Brandon Islib who did 206 00:10:54,399 --> 00:10:56,640 that analysis that I shared with you 207 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,160 guys at the beginning of the process. So 208 00:10:58,160 --> 00:10:59,519 he went through and found like four or 209 00:10:59,519 --> 00:11:02,480 five more things that were mostly kind 210 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,320 of went with track changes. You know you 211 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,640 miss a space or period. I don't that's 212 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,079 very impressive that he found all that 213 00:11:08,079 --> 00:11:10,480 stuff and a couple a couple other small 214 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,880 changes. So those are in there as well. 215 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,399 Um and then I also in the email which I 216 00:11:16,399 --> 00:11:18,240 maybe I could pull that up if we if you 217 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,640 want to walk through there were changes 218 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,519 that the attorney proposed especially on 219 00:11:23,519 --> 00:11:25,760 things that we discussed at the last 220 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,200 meeting two weeks ago. So 221 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:28,399 >> I think we need to do that. 222 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:31,920 >> Yeah. Um, 223 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:36,880 so I'll pull up what I sent you guys. Here 224 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:41,670 we go. 225 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:45,200 Uh, okay. So, there were I This is one 226 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,839 without track changes anymore, but um 227 00:11:47,839 --> 00:11:50,160 but it has the things that you submitted 228 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,720 um that you guys all got in an email. 229 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,760 >> Do we say our edits, 230 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:57,360 like if we notice something? 231 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,160 >> Oh, yeah, sure. Okay. So, Ramsay is 232 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:01,440 deputy city attorney. 233 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:06,310 >> Oh, yeah. Thank you. 234 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:07,839 » Administrative 235 00:12:07,839 --> 00:12:09,600 stuff, but I'm legally 236 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,839 >> Did I put Did I call you the wrong 237 00:12:11,839 --> 00:12:14,560 >> No, you're fine. Thank you. But it's 238 00:12:14,560 --> 00:12:17,440 still legal. 239 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,920 >> Um, 240 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,160 okay. 241 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,320 Yeah, we don't want to promote him quite 242 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,720 yet. 243 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,399 >> Um, okay. So that so this is the 244 00:12:28,399 --> 00:12:30,079 introductory stuff and I'll just scroll 245 00:12:30,079 --> 00:12:31,680 past it but if there is something that 246 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:34,160 someone wanted to catch I would 247 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,000 appreciate it. I do have one edit Tom 248 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,240 caught a date that I had Ron good eye. 249 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:42,639 So that's in here now too. Um the and we 250 00:12:42,639 --> 00:12:44,800 can talk about this too, but the things 251 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,200 that you've voted on once the attorney 252 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,680 drafted all of them, he had this is sort 253 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:51,920 of the new piece of this I guess is that 254 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:56,079 six through nine are all the initiative 255 00:12:56,079 --> 00:13:00,320 amendments. So um they're all they're 256 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,240 separated. They were I I had been 257 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:03,680 thinking they'd be one because I think 258 00:13:03,680 --> 00:13:07,440 we had combined a couple of them. Um, 259 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,240 and I I think after today I also will 260 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:14,079 ask him like for instance 11.3 and 11.2 261 00:13:14,079 --> 00:13:15,680 they both have to do with the threshold. 262 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:17,440 Is there any way to push all of those 263 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:21,360 guys together? Um, but they're separated 264 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,760 at this point. Um, 265 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,680 >> yeah, initially it was 112 113 together 266 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:27,760 and one five were missing and five six 267 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:28,720 were missing I think. Yeah. 268 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,440 >> Right. So issues. Okay. I'm hoping that 269 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,120 there is a way to consolidate those so 270 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,839 that it's one proposition instead of 271 00:13:35,839 --> 00:13:38,639 four separate ones. Um although if 272 00:13:38,639 --> 00:13:40,480 there's different guidance from you guys 273 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,560 because we did talk about gosh if we 274 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:45,120 make so many changes is that also 275 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,120 confusing to voters maybe there is some 276 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,600 value that there's some ones that are 277 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,839 different but um I think what I would in 278 00:13:53,839 --> 00:13:55,360 particular point out that part of the 279 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,839 112 and 113 change were like kind of 280 00:13:57,839 --> 00:14:00,720 like a a compromise together. So you you 281 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,399 moved up the threshold for initiatives 282 00:14:02,399 --> 00:14:04,639 and you dropped this were the I guess 283 00:14:04,639 --> 00:14:06,079 referendums or or did you drop the 284 00:14:06,079 --> 00:14:08,240 referendum so they matched, right? So 285 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,560 they kind of went together as a concept. 286 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:12,079 So get a pen, 287 00:14:12,079 --> 00:14:12,639 >> right? 288 00:14:12,639 --> 00:14:15,920 >> Um I'd like to just suggest to maybe ask 289 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:17,920 because there's I I see the value and 290 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,920 the efficiency particularly as whatever 291 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,800 ends up on the ballot. Um but given that 292 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,959 the council has the real authority here, 293 00:14:26,959 --> 00:14:29,120 uh maybe suggesting as if there are 11 294 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,680 items depending on which ones they may 295 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,480 maybe don't like. Um you know suggesting 296 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,120 that hey we've got all these. If you can 297 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:38,959 consolidate them obviously so much the 298 00:14:38,959 --> 00:14:41,839 better. But if we preconolidate it might 299 00:14:41,839 --> 00:14:44,079 make it trickier for them to identify 300 00:14:44,079 --> 00:14:46,320 things and they might scrap the whole 301 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,480 thing as opposed to scrapping one part 302 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:49,760 of it. 303 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,920 >> Okay. is I'm playing the 304 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:53,120 >> preventive defense. 305 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:54,560 >> That's that's kind of my feedback, too. 306 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,279 I think of it as like, you know, um like 307 00:14:57,279 --> 00:14:58,880 corporate limit bill, right? Right. If 308 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,240 they don't like something, there's a lot 309 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:01,519 of things that are going to get lost. 310 00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:03,519 So, if we lumping it all together and 311 00:15:03,519 --> 00:15:05,519 they decide that changes to 11 aren't 312 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:06,959 what they want, they'll they scrap that 313 00:15:06,959 --> 00:15:08,240 whole idea, we're going to miss some 314 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:09,839 important pieces. By leaving them all 315 00:15:09,839 --> 00:15:11,760 separately, they can cherrypick that. 316 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:12,560 And then, yeah, 317 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:13,920 >> what they decide to take to the vote to 318 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,760 ballot, they can certainly do that. So, 319 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,440 >> okay. 320 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:20,959 Um, okay. Well, this is just a list of 321 00:15:20,959 --> 00:15:23,360 them, so let's keep moving. Uh, so first 322 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,199 one, we talked about this guy, you know, 323 00:15:25,199 --> 00:15:26,880 feels like a lifetime ago, like two 324 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,680 months ago. Um, eligibility to hold 325 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,880 office. So that's the year um yeah, as a 326 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:37,600 district or district council seats and 327 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,560 can't have a second um elected office. 328 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,519 Um the county charter commission would 329 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:45,440 not did not get that that one over the 330 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,120 finish line, so that won't be on the 331 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,040 county ballot. 332 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:49,600 Yes. 333 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,759 >> I just want to confirm. I think the 334 00:15:51,759 --> 00:15:53,839 feedback that we got was that precinct 335 00:15:53,839 --> 00:15:56,480 committee officer is fine and this does 336 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:57,759 not exclude that. 337 00:15:57,759 --> 00:15:58,079 >> Yes. 338 00:15:58,079 --> 00:15:58,800 >> Um okay. 339 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,639 >> I can put that though like even in the 340 00:16:00,639 --> 00:16:04,320 text because I think that um like the 341 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,680 understanding is that that um is not 342 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,360 included or that's not um an issue. 343 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,639 >> Yeah. I also think um that it's possible 344 00:16:14,639 --> 00:16:16,800 in their discussion that they might talk 345 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,320 about the idea of the charter review uh 346 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,519 commission over at the county because 347 00:16:23,519 --> 00:16:25,519 this would not allow an Everett city 348 00:16:25,519 --> 00:16:27,839 council member or the mayor to serve on 349 00:16:27,839 --> 00:16:29,600 the charter review commission which is 350 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,199 populated with a lot of elected 351 00:16:31,199 --> 00:16:35,120 officials this year. Um so I don't think 352 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:36,959 we you guys we don't need to get into 353 00:16:36,959 --> 00:16:38,399 that but that's something that I think 354 00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:39,839 they might talk about. Maybe they want 355 00:16:39,839 --> 00:16:43,680 to exclude bulls or whatever. 356 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,480 Uh although it's debatable whether it's 357 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:47,759 useful to have a lot of elected 358 00:16:47,759 --> 00:16:50,079 officials on a coming although I was one 359 00:16:50,079 --> 00:16:52,480 10 years ago but uh okay so this 360 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:53,759 language is the same and you guys have 361 00:16:53,759 --> 00:16:56,399 seen it previously. 362 00:16:56,399 --> 00:16:58,240 Okay. So that's the number one guy. I 363 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,079 want to scroll down to the number of 364 00:17:00,079 --> 00:17:01,680 council meetings proposal a little bit 365 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,799 newer one you actually finalized and I 366 00:17:04,799 --> 00:17:06,160 we'll make sure all the little init 367 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,600 minutes links are updated. Um, 368 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,919 uh, yeah, lot going on the last couple 369 00:17:11,919 --> 00:17:13,760 weeks, but, uh, I'll make sure that's 370 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,439 updated in the final draft that goes to 371 00:17:15,439 --> 00:17:17,120 the council. 372 00:17:17,120 --> 00:17:19,839 Uh, this is, you voted on this two weeks 373 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:21,600 ago, so you saw the final language then. 374 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,280 It's the 36 times a year. 375 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,439 >> Okay. 376 00:17:25,439 --> 00:17:27,120 Um, 377 00:17:27,120 --> 00:17:30,320 this is kind of came to you as 378 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,400 modernization. Um, although it wasn't 379 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,160 the newspaper piece, we just talked 380 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:35,840 about that. That's in those four 381 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,320 sections that are at the end. So on this 382 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,960 page which is page four I think of the 383 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,200 or no page 384 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,600 >> um again talked about it two weeks ago. 385 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,000 So it's uh publishing the or the uh 386 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,080 ordinances all ordinances on the city 387 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:55,039 website um and instead of in a book and 388 00:17:55,039 --> 00:17:58,160 um available in print or electronic copy 389 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,120 uh with the clerk with codes for the 390 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:03,760 like the ever municipal code. So there's 391 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,400 that. The oath of office we also voted 392 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,440 on last week and this is the one that I think I kind of might have talked 393 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,039 about this is this was police officer 394 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:12,799 but really it is this like specific 395 00:18:12,799 --> 00:18:14,640 thing around elected officials and it's 396 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,640 clarifying that that's what that means. 397 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:17,679 So 398 00:18:17,679 --> 00:18:19,120 >> been interpreted as police officer for 399 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:22,000 years but yes a city official elected 400 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,760 official. Yeah, kind of more of a state 401 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,280 law 402 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,200 then. Yeah. 403 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,080 Um, okay. Although there I think there's 404 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:31,840 another chapter that actually talks 405 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,320 about the off the officers being you 406 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:35,919 know approved by the council. So that 407 00:18:35,919 --> 00:18:38,160 process was is not touched by changing 408 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,720 4.10. Yeah. 409 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,280 The civil service one was an early um 410 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:49,280 item and so there's that guy that uh 411 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,679 that's Proposition five to amend the 412 00:18:51,679 --> 00:18:53,280 civil service piece to match more of 413 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,760 state law. 414 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,080 >> Good. 415 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,840 >> Sorry. 416 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:01,679 >> It was on 417 00:19:01,679 --> 00:19:03,360 your appropriately scrolling to what I 418 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:06,400 was going for. Um the second bullet 419 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,600 under uh the petition procedures um 420 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,360 piece notes permitting digital 421 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:13,200 signatures when consistent with state 422 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,160 law and I don't believe that we approved 423 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,200 that. Um and I would stick opposed to 424 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:20,000 doing that. Yeah. 425 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,520 >> Okay. 426 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,640 Gonna do 427 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:25,360 >> Mason has 428 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:26,880 >> I'm going to mark it down. I'm not gonna 429 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,160 do it in here because I feel like I'll 430 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,280 not save this thing. So 431 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,679 >> um there it is. Yeah. And yeah, Mason 432 00:19:33,679 --> 00:19:34,880 can 433 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,520 >> Yeah, thank you. Um, I'm sorry, I'm 434 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,120 going back a little bit. Section 2.2, 435 00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:41,679 the eligibility to hold elective office. 436 00:19:41,679 --> 00:19:42,240 >> Oh, probably. 437 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:43,520 >> Um, I know we talked about this and 438 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,360 worked on this a lot. I I just heard 439 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:47,200 this week that this is being challenged 440 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:48,880 in another 441 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,440 >> part of the state, not this, but a 442 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,160 similar type of rule. Um, so it just 443 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:55,360 might be something we want to keep an 444 00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:58,320 eye on between now and when 445 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,320 um 446 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,480 the council addresses this or it goes to 447 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:03,520 a ballot. 448 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,520 >> Is it the um the residency eligibility 449 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,840 or the two offices part? 450 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:14,240 >> Residency. Resident residency. Yeah. Um 451 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,400 and I don't know. I just I just read 452 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,880 about it recently and it triggered my 453 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,160 attention because we had talked so much 454 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,280 about it. 455 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,799 All right, thanks for pointing that out. 456 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:27,840 >> Okay. 457 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,360 >> Um, 458 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:33,039 we were hereish. Close enough. 459 00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:35,280 >> Okay. So, well, I guess I can I'm not 460 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:35,840 sure 461 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,400 >> on that same section. 462 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,440 >> Sorry. That was fourth bullet, now third 463 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:42,080 bullet. 464 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:42,480 >> Yeah, 465 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,480 >> I actually don't think that one passed. 466 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,520 That's the one that we were we So this 467 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,840 digital signatures I took out of the 468 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,159 second recommendation completely. So we 469 00:20:52,159 --> 00:20:54,640 didn't even talk about it last time. But 470 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,120 this fourth bullet, this is the one that 471 00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:59,440 we did not approve. This went that 472 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,280 >> Oh, you're right. We didn't. Yeah. 473 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,000 >> Yeah. So just remove that one. 474 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:09,830 >> Yeah. Good. Good call. 475 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:17,110 » Okay. Um, 476 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:18,480 » can you get can you give me a page 477 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:19,840 number you're on or a section number 478 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,440 there? I see it now. Thank you. 479 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:26,400 >> Yeah, page 13. Uh, so this this is one 480 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,679 of the areas that the attorney suggested 481 00:21:29,679 --> 00:21:31,600 we cut this last sentence about 482 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,280 self-executing. 483 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:34,559 It's not language that appears 484 00:21:34,559 --> 00:21:37,600 elsewhere. And he said, you know, we 485 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,480 like they are all they all do happen. I 486 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,200 think it made sense when we had the more 487 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,640 of the reference to like the council 488 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,880 shall do this and this was the kind of 489 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,200 like a hey instead of that this is what 490 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,039 you just have to do automatically. So um 491 00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:54,159 that's what that is. 492 00:21:54,159 --> 00:21:54,720 >> Okay. 493 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,400 >> Does it have the same effect? 494 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:56,799 >> Yes. 495 00:21:56,799 --> 00:21:57,120 >> Okay. 496 00:21:57,120 --> 00:21:57,679 >> Yeah. 497 00:21:57,679 --> 00:22:00,640 >> There's two by 498 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,080 two. 499 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:02,880 >> April correct. 500 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,760 >> Oh yeah. Buy the initiative and approve 501 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,640 >> by initiative and ordinances. Oh yeah. 502 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,080 This one is a bye-bye. Got it. 503 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,080 Thank you. 504 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,559 Okay. 505 00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:18,880 Um, okay. 506 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,440 Let's see. 507 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,280 This also had some I would say not like 508 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,960 uh like lots of edits but achieving the 509 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,679 spirit of the what you guys voted on. 510 00:22:31,679 --> 00:22:34,960 So, um you had the designation of the 511 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,840 committee. He asked that they include a 512 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,840 notice address for the committee. That's 513 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,280 in like a smart thing because we don't 514 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,640 always want their names. Um and then he 515 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,720 added this sentence about upon filing 516 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,480 the petition is deemed final. No 517 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,000 additional signatures may be added 518 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,559 except as provided in subsection C. So 519 00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:54,159 this is what we talked about a lot about 520 00:22:54,159 --> 00:22:56,559 curing fixing the signatures. So we come 521 00:22:56,559 --> 00:23:00,480 down to C for this purpose. Um so if 522 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,200 it's not certified as validly signed by 523 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,840 so less than 10%, right? 524 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,480 Then the clerk gives that written notice 525 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,320 with copies of documents so that the 526 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,159 sponsor committee can determine which 527 00:23:12,159 --> 00:23:15,039 aren't valid. Then they have 10 calendar 528 00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:18,559 days upon of the delivery to obtain new 529 00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:21,440 signatures from those individuals 530 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,039 and then they send them back to the 531 00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:25,600 clerk who then certifies that they were 532 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,240 all valid and that they reached that 10% 533 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,270 threshold. 534 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,000 odd. 535 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,919 >> Sounds like a lot of work on somebody's 536 00:23:35,919 --> 00:23:38,960 part. I'd say it's going on. But is it 537 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,159 the county that does this, right? 538 00:23:40,159 --> 00:23:40,799 >> Yeah. 539 00:23:40,799 --> 00:23:42,080 >> So, the county would submit the report 540 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,840 to the proposers and they would get a 541 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,039 list of let's say 542 00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:46,640 >> the county gives it to our city clerk. 543 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,039 The city clerk gives it to the propos 544 00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:50,159 Yeah. They'll have to 545 00:23:50,159 --> 00:23:51,280 >> Well, they say they get a list of 100 546 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:52,960 names. They got to go to those specific 547 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,120 people and ask for a reignature and then 548 00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:55,919 bring it back. 549 00:23:55,919 --> 00:23:56,240 >> Okay. 550 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,440 >> Yeah. 551 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:58,400 >> Just 552 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,799 >> Yeah. I think it's not I mean 553 00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:02,480 >> I think that's more valid than like I 554 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,159 think I remember Randy talking a couple 555 00:24:04,159 --> 00:24:06,720 meetings ago is like then saying no 556 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,640 you're you're low by 100 signatures so 557 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,000 you go out and find 100 people you know 558 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,200 in two or three days and bring new 559 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,279 signatures okay use these instead 560 00:24:13,279 --> 00:24:13,840 >> right 561 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,720 >> that's what we trying to avoid 562 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:22,880 >> um and to the point of who does it the 563 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,520 attorney also added this determination 564 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,600 maybe completed by the auditor instead 565 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,159 of the clerk So it's I guess 566 00:24:30,159 --> 00:24:31,679 theoretically the clerk could do it but 567 00:24:31,679 --> 00:24:33,520 the practice and probably how it would 568 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,520 continue as an auditor does that they 569 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,480 have the voter voter role as it were. So 570 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,200 we don't 571 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:46,400 um Okay. So that's that section. 572 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,919 I I don't I'm I I want to flag because 573 00:24:49,919 --> 00:24:52,159 we only got a couple we just had a few 574 00:24:52,159 --> 00:24:54,720 comments when I sent out the report. Um, 575 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,159 most folks said that you guys did a 576 00:24:56,159 --> 00:24:58,000 great job and they appreciated receiving 577 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,279 it. Um, Abby Ledwig did send and I sent 578 00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:03,840 it to you guys. Um, but she did send in 579 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,120 comments about the timing of like these 580 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:09,120 the 30 days and the 10 days and sort of 581 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:11,840 how the calendar works. So, I don't I 582 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,279 just want to flag it because it was one 583 00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:15,039 of it was a substantive comment you 584 00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:17,520 received, but if you don't have to talk 585 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,360 about it, it's just I wanted to note it, 586 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:21,200 I guess, so you didn't forget if you did 587 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,279 want to talk about it. Does everybody 588 00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:25,039 get a chance to read that from Abby and 589 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:26,799 how it applied to this section? 590 00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:28,240 >> Does anybody find anything in there that 591 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,919 we didn't discuss? And go ahead. 592 00:25:29,919 --> 00:25:31,760 >> I guess my only question with it is it 593 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,320 sounds like she wanted to have set 594 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,600 timing and guidelines in here, but it 595 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,679 all of her notes were based on the 596 00:25:39,679 --> 00:25:41,600 November election, but it could 597 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,320 technically be any election and they 598 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,840 would have different time frames for the 599 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,360 like county. 600 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:51,600 >> That's true. you you this is set up so 601 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,679 that um what I would envision signature 602 00:25:55,679 --> 00:25:57,520 gatherer would do or a petition a 603 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,120 petitioner would do is that they would 604 00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:01,679 say they would choose an election that 605 00:26:01,679 --> 00:26:04,320 they want to work towards. So they would 606 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,960 say like I I think it's going to be the 607 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,120 November one. That's whatever for 608 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:11,120 whatever reason they pick November and 609 00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:13,440 then they walk back the dates which are 610 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,440 now much more clear than they used to 611 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:20,159 be. Or they say like we want August so 612 00:26:20,159 --> 00:26:21,760 we're going to try for the primary date 613 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,679 and the kind of similarly like you know 614 00:26:23,679 --> 00:26:25,679 30 days back and then another 10 and 615 00:26:25,679 --> 00:26:30,640 another 30 in the whole timeline. Um 616 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:31,919 I guess the only thing that was unclear 617 00:26:31,919 --> 00:26:33,840 in that is it was pointing out issues 618 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,400 but I didn't see the solution in there. 619 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,559 >> Um which 620 00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:39,360 >> um 621 00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:40,159 >> I don't know 622 00:26:40,159 --> 00:26:43,279 >> maybe relevant to this as well is that 623 00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:45,279 the attorney also because our part of 624 00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:48,720 our language said down here on page 13 625 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,880 kind of towards the top voters so submit 626 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,640 it to the council after they get this 627 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,600 petition all that process has happened. 628 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,520 The council submits it to voters at the 629 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,159 next regular, which is normally 630 00:27:00,159 --> 00:27:02,480 considered like the November regular 631 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,360 municipal election occurring at least 90 632 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:08,159 days after certification 633 00:27:08,159 --> 00:27:10,799 >> um or at an earlier special election. 634 00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:12,799 So, I think he added the or at an 635 00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:15,440 earlier special election, which um 636 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,480 wasn't in the copy that um I you know 637 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,559 that we submitted because it's new for 638 00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:23,200 basically tonight. So, so then you could 639 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,400 have it at another um another date. 640 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:27,840 >> February, April, August. 641 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,070 >> Yeah, those two. Yeah. 642 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,159 Okay. Um, 643 00:27:36,159 --> 00:27:38,080 good. 644 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,919 So, the rest those rest that's crossed 645 00:27:39,919 --> 00:27:41,360 out is similar to what you guys had 646 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:44,720 before. Um, and the rest of Proposition 647 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,559 6, I hadn't updated it yet to reflect 648 00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:48,240 the two weeks ago. So that's the new 649 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,480 language about the 650 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,480 timing and the streamlining in process 651 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,760 which makes me think you really could 652 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,600 combine the referendum into this 653 00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:00,080 proposition six but um uh so referendum 654 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,360 the next section is the same other than 655 00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:05,360 uh 656 00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:11,830 it's just the um 657 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,760 I guess it kept it at the 10%. 658 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,760 There's a sort of an errant like wait 659 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,279 something get deleted out of this. 660 00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:21,200 >> There's there was there is a whole 661 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,679 section that was recommended that we had 662 00:28:23,679 --> 00:28:27,440 approved on the things that are 663 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,360 exceptions to referendum. 664 00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:31,919 >> Oh yes. That's why I have this space cuz 665 00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:36,159 I cut it so I can pull it back up. Um, 666 00:28:36,159 --> 00:28:39,360 the attorney pointed out that pull up 667 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,039 exactly what he wrote, but I summarized 668 00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:46,399 it that the list was not like exhaustive 669 00:28:46,399 --> 00:28:48,320 and he felt like if you have these 670 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,240 things, it could create confusion about 671 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,399 what isn't listed but is also not 672 00:28:52,399 --> 00:28:54,399 eligible for referendum either like 673 00:28:54,399 --> 00:28:56,159 under state law. Well, probably mostly 674 00:28:56,159 --> 00:28:59,600 under state law. It referenced like I 675 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,360 think fiscal ordinances or something 676 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:01,919 like that. 677 00:29:01,919 --> 00:29:04,480 >> Emergency ordinance calling elections, 678 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,799 annual budget appropriations and 679 00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:08,880 ordinances required by state or federal 680 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,559 law. This 681 00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:12,880 >> we don't use ordinances to call 682 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,799 elections. We usually use resolutions, 683 00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:17,679 but we could that's a word change. And 684 00:29:17,679 --> 00:29:19,760 then annual budget appropriations. We 685 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,279 also have budget amendments that are 686 00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:22,880 through the year. So like are those 687 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,279 included or are other fiscal items? It 688 00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:27,039 just seems like there are exceptions and 689 00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:28,480 we should 690 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,240 >> lay them out. I don't I guess I don't 691 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,360 understand why it was corrupted. 692 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,960 >> Probably have to take actions. That 693 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,880 seems substantive. 694 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,640 Even if there's legal counsel, don't we 695 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,760 as a body need to act on that 696 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,360 >> to to take it out? 697 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,200 >> We can make a recommendation with bad 698 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,840 language and that would just be well 699 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,440 bad. But it's still the we have to take 700 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,600 an action to do that or undo it, right? 701 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,919 I think we have action that's already 702 00:29:55,919 --> 00:29:58,000 >> been approved to have that. 703 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,399 >> You are right. It can stay. Yeah, 704 00:30:00,399 --> 00:30:02,480 >> it can stay without doing action. Just 705 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,000 the final report needs to reflect it. 706 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:04,320 >> Okay. 707 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:05,120 >> Yeah. 708 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,000 >> Perfect. 709 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,399 >> I mean, we should change the words that 710 00:30:08,399 --> 00:30:10,080 are wrong like the ordinance for 711 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,640 elections, what whatever we call that. 712 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,760 Um, but that was sort of the biggest 713 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,000 change in this section was adding that 714 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,840 exception. The exception. 715 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,760 >> Mason, you have your hand up. Go ahead. 716 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,799 >> Yeah. And I apologize uh for this 717 00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:28,480 question. Proposition 7 and Proposition 718 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,000 Six, why they seem awfully similar to 719 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,240 me. What am I missing? 720 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,559 Well, I agree with you on I am I think 721 00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:41,440 when I had the city attorney draft all 722 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,919 of the different initiative language, 723 00:30:43,919 --> 00:30:48,000 for some reason he dis he separated the 724 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,720 changes to that you see in seven from 725 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:55,679 what had been six. So I can I think we 726 00:30:55,679 --> 00:30:57,600 talked a little bit earlier about maybe 727 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,440 not combining everything right now so 728 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,279 that it's a little easier to track like 729 00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:03,120 all the separate issues 730 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,679 >> but six and seven probably should just 731 00:31:05,679 --> 00:31:08,320 be combined because they are 732 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,399 >> effectively the same thing. One changes 733 00:31:10,399 --> 00:31:12,240 the initiative and one changes 734 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,919 referendum. So 735 00:31:13,919 --> 00:31:15,279 >> okay that's the difference. Okay. And 736 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:18,159 then because six I read and I go, "Okay, 737 00:31:18,159 --> 00:31:21,200 I get it." And seven I read and I go, 738 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,520 "Okay, let me read it again. Let me read it again." And I 739 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,520 just think I we've talked about this 740 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,080 before. I just think that's a loser with 741 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,679 voters. And not so much that they won't 742 00:31:31,679 --> 00:31:33,520 vote for it other than I just think we 743 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,320 look like uh bureaucrats or other people 744 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:37,760 are dealing with real issues in real 745 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,840 time because I it's it's a lot of words 746 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,519 there. But I understand legal all that 747 00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:43,519 stuff. But that's my thought. I'll 748 00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:44,559 probably say I probably have that 749 00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:45,840 thought a few times as I read through 750 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,559 some of this. 751 00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:50,880 >> Yeah. I mean, I agree. We we talked 752 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,559 about them collectively, too. 753 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:55,990 >> Yeah. 754 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,279 » Um well, I 755 00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:00,880 >> I don't have a proposal on that. I'm 756 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,440 just noting it. And 757 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:04,399 >> yeah, 758 00:32:04,399 --> 00:32:07,990 >> great. 759 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,760 » I won't type anymore. We'll just leave 760 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,919 it at that. At least I was able to copy 761 00:32:11,919 --> 00:32:15,200 paste to this. So, this is the language 762 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,159 >> that we voted on 763 00:32:16,159 --> 00:32:18,640 >> that you guys approved and that you we 764 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:25,669 can we'll just leave it in and um 765 00:32:25,679 --> 00:32:28,240 » Okay. 766 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,519 >> Oh, man. You're 767 00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:34,880 really want us to 768 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,470 Oh, 769 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,840 » all right. Um, let me write that down 770 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,000 here. Although this is saved and I know 771 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,240 that I don't think this was the exact 772 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,159 place of it. So, I'll make sure that it 773 00:32:48,159 --> 00:32:51,360 um returns to the version that you saw 774 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,840 two weeks ago 775 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,559 um with the at least with the list and 776 00:32:56,559 --> 00:32:58,399 like wherever it was supposed to live 777 00:32:58,399 --> 00:33:00,399 whatever extra language that you guys 778 00:33:00,399 --> 00:33:04,159 had that you voted on. So, 779 00:33:04,159 --> 00:33:05,840 um 780 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,519 okay. 781 00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:09,919 So, yeah, try to combine 782 00:33:09,919 --> 00:33:11,679 by so 783 00:33:11,679 --> 00:33:14,240 >> and could that take the form of I 784 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,640 suppose you telling the hey this was a 785 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,440 thought that if you combine those 786 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,919 >> I can separate and then say like we we 787 00:33:21,919 --> 00:33:24,000 really do think six7 could be the same 788 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,000 >> when they go to the ballot say 789 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,480 >> okay I have a question 790 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,080 >> um so I'm sure this is a stupid question 791 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,399 >> um because I've read it so many times 792 00:33:34,399 --> 00:33:37,519 that I've now confused myself but why is 793 00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:41,039 it that it's talking about um 10% total 794 00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:44,000 number. I'm on page 14 and it talks 795 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,960 about um the mayoral election and then 796 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,519 it goes on to talk about the next 797 00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:52,799 regular municipal election. How how does 798 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:55,760 the August fall into that as well? 799 00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:00,399 >> Oh, there two two election references. 800 00:34:00,399 --> 00:34:02,399 this part that says at the last 801 00:34:02,399 --> 00:34:05,279 preceding mayoral election 802 00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:09,359 um is how many vote like what's your 803 00:34:09,359 --> 00:34:11,200 target for how many signatures you need 804 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,520 on your ballot or on your petition. 805 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:13,919 >> Yeah. 806 00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:15,760 >> Your initiative or whatever. 807 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,800 >> So you no matter which date you pick as 808 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,359 a as a petitioner like a special 809 00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:22,960 election, August, November, whatever, 810 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,040 you're always looking back to the last 811 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,359 mayor's race to say, "Okay, that's how 812 00:34:27,359 --> 00:34:29,919 many people voted. I got to get 2,000 813 00:34:29,919 --> 00:34:32,000 whatever. 814 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:32,800 >> Um, 815 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,000 >> that makes sense. 816 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,679 >> Great. Okay. Okay. I'm just scrolling on 817 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:40,399 back down to 818 00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:43,040 uh we just talked about this adding back 819 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,879 in the stuff that's that is that is not 820 00:34:46,879 --> 00:34:49,280 eligible for referendum in the right 821 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,679 place. We'll fix that later. And we're 822 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:54,399 moving on. I added a whole page because 823 00:34:54,399 --> 00:34:57,119 I but it doesn't affect the 824 00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:58,560 >> Actually, I might do this while we're 825 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,480 here for 826 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,119 >> Yeah. 827 00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:05,520 No. 828 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,640 >> Okay. Well, that's fine. 829 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,280 >> Yeah. 830 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,040 >> To accept changes for it to bounce back. 831 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:13,440 >> Yeah. 832 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:14,480 >> It's not doing it for you. 833 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:15,760 >> No, I'm not going to I don't want to 834 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,920 mess with it. Um Okay. So, the next 835 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,160 one's Proposition 8. This is the voter 836 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,359 information paragraph. This one I 837 00:35:23,359 --> 00:35:25,760 welcome your conversation on as well. 838 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:31,920 So, um your what you voted on um was to 839 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,920 ask for 840 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,480 a city finance director written 841 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,960 financial impact statement and that it 842 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,720 be either on the ballot or in the 843 00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:43,599 voters's guide in the in the voters's 844 00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:46,640 pamphlet. I guess um we the city is 845 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,760 allowed 200 words 846 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,520 and so we could use some of those words 847 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,240 to fold in the city finance director 848 00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:58,640 financial impact statement. The city 849 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,760 attorney said, "Dang, the 200 words are 850 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,560 not a lot and we sometimes have trouble 851 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,560 explaining a whole ballot measure in 852 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,839 only 200 words. Could 853 00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:12,640 we have the fiscal impact statement live 854 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,880 on the city website? And inside the 200 855 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,359 words, we'll use some of those to say 856 00:36:17,359 --> 00:36:19,680 find a fight a fiscal impact statement 857 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,280 at, you know, everw.gov 858 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,680 petition or prop one or whatever it is. 859 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,359 But you don't have to accept that. You 860 00:36:29,359 --> 00:36:31,280 could say we want that to be in the most 861 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,040 likely place for people to see it, you 862 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,560 know, inside the voters's panel 863 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:35,200 statement. 864 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,800 >> I'm fine with it being there. Oh, sorry. 865 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,280 >> Me too. I mean, anytime we can provide a 866 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,880 link somewhere else, it 867 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:50,960 makes it less words to try to digest and the person has the right to do 868 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,400 whatever they want. 869 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,880 >> So, okay with it just being a link out to 870 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,280 the yes to find it. They're okay with 871 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,359 that. 872 00:36:59,359 --> 00:37:01,920 >> I have a similar point of view, but 873 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,760 slightly different. That doesn't mean 874 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,480 there will be no explanation and only 875 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,599 link. It means there will be a 876 00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:12,160 substantive 200 words as best we can do 877 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,960 and a link. I what I what I'm not okay 878 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,079 with is just a link. 879 00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:19,280 >> Oh, so what what um and Mason has hand 880 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,160 up too. So, uh in the voters's pamphlet, 881 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,200 the city attorney submits a statement to 882 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,760 the auditor that gets printed. Mhm. 883 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,760 >> The concept is that um we the city 884 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,760 attorney writes this and says like this 885 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,839 initiative does these things. This is 886 00:37:35,839 --> 00:37:38,640 the impact. This is how it would work. 887 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,040 You can find the financial impact of 888 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,040 this statement at everyqua.gov/prop 889 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:45,520 2. 890 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,079 >> Okay. So no fiscal impact on the thing 891 00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:50,079 necessarily. 892 00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:52,800 I mean, unless unless the attorney 893 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,079 chooses to include like 894 00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:57,760 a sentence of it or 895 00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,440 >> can a sentence be something like the 896 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,520 fiscal impact of this is believed to be 897 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,720 $1 million and the next sentence behind 898 00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:09,680 that is for detailed explanation of that 899 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,000 figure go to this link. 900 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,359 >> I guess I'm just like 901 00:38:13,359 --> 00:38:14,960 >> well there's no impact. They could say 902 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:15,760 that in there. 903 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,440 >> It absolutely could. Yeah. But the 904 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,359 intent here is to, you know, 905 00:38:19,359 --> 00:38:21,040 >> there just a simple sentence 906 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,720 >> big numbers on the 907 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:23,440 >> if there is 908 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:24,880 >> vote for it 909 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,040 >> and then and then add the link. 910 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,480 >> I just Yeah, I'm a little hesitant to be 911 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,040 to support just a link out 912 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,520 >> when it doesn't, you know, 913 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,440 >> it sort of this is the intent of having 914 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,280 it. 915 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,320 Jason 916 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,680 >> uh affirming as well the link as soon as 917 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,200 you add the link my in-laws are not 918 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,000 going to be happy and them and their 919 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,520 friends write letters and they do not 920 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,280 like anything like that. Um plus not 921 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,960 everybody has access easy access to um 922 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,599 the internet and even in this day and 923 00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:06,560 age. So I just think it's uh dangerous 924 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,800 to add that in there. I I don't know 925 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,880 what the solution is as far as a lot of 926 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,760 words, but that's tough. The link is 927 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,119 gonna is going to create issues. It's 928 00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:16,480 going to kick up dust. 929 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,400 >> Yeah. I like Leland's like you must at 930 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,960 least have this sentence 931 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,720 with blank um kind of filled in at a 932 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:25,040 minimum. 933 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,480 >> Fiscal impact is X or detail CX, 934 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:29,040 >> right? 935 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,800 >> Bigger than a bread box, smaller than a 936 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:31,440 car. 937 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,520 >> Yes. 938 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:33,920 >> Yeah. 939 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,960 >> Do we need a vote on that to add it? 940 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,320 because that's new. 941 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,280 >> Yeah. Do you So would you I don't really 942 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,960 know what process we decided on this for 943 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,320 this, but would you want to make a 944 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,320 motion to ask that the language say that 945 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,920 the the explanatory statement on the 946 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,400 ballot or voters's guide shall contain a 947 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:55,839 brief 948 00:39:55,839 --> 00:39:57,760 >> explanation of the fiscal impact? 949 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,720 >> Yeah. What we what we had originally was 950 00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:03,040 for each measure, the city's finance 951 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,359 director shall prepare a fiscal impact 952 00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:08,800 statement of not more than 100 words 953 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,960 estimating the measures financial effect 954 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,640 on the city, which is 955 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,000 >> I would just take out the not more than 956 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,839 100 words just that it's an impact 957 00:40:17,839 --> 00:40:18,480 statement. 958 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,320 >> Yeah. 959 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,640 So, I guess my I guess I'm saying I feel 960 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,680 like we that's what we already approved 961 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,160 and this is a a change that we're being 962 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,079 asked to accept, right? 963 00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:31,839 >> Got it. 964 00:40:31,839 --> 00:40:32,880 >> I'll just follow. 965 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,880 >> So, but I I mean I don't know if 966 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,800 everyone else feels the same. Emily, 967 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,599 >> I guess my only concern with that is 200 968 00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:41,359 words is just not a lot and we're taking 969 00:40:41,359 --> 00:40:43,760 away valuable space to explain what it 970 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,800 is and then all they see is a very small 971 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,160 explanation and then the fiscal impact 972 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,160 is this is going to be $10 million. 973 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,160 They're like vote no even though they 974 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,040 don't realize 975 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:53,760 >> that's what I 976 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,280 >> what the ex like what they're actually 977 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,280 voting on because we're prioritizing the 978 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,000 fiscal impact. I understand the no 979 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,560 links, but we have to in the middle and 980 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,119 you know if they want 981 00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:08,800 >> email the city council and say hey can I 982 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,480 have that or not city council email the 983 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:11,839 city and say hey can I have that 984 00:41:11,839 --> 00:41:13,440 physical impact 985 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,760 >> you know they could get it that way or 986 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,440 they can walk in if they're in person 987 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,200 type of person. So the pro the problem 988 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,480 is they have 200 words total right now 989 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,480 and we're saying you must use some of 990 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,400 those words to explain the fiscal impact 991 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:27,440 >> right 992 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,760 >> and and we're not describing how like 993 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,280 what they have to put in there the 994 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,640 fiscal impact because the fiscal impact 995 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,480 is going to be way more than 200 words 996 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,040 it's going to be 997 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,880 >> it doesn't have to be it can just be the 998 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,680 five words of the fiscal the estimated 999 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:40,800 fiscal impact is 1000 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,880 >> time frame what's going into that I 1001 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,079 think that there has to be more 1002 00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:46,400 >> and that's what the link solves is 1003 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,480 >> it gives them it gives them There's it's 1004 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:49,280 not a perfect. 1005 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:49,920 >> Yeah, 1006 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,839 >> this is this is We're not going to get 1007 00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:52,640 perfect on 1008 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:53,599 >> Yeah, 1009 00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:54,960 >> I definitely think we can't take up a 1010 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:55,920 hundred words. 1011 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,960 >> No, I It says no more than I don't want 1012 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,920 to take up 100 words, but um I also 1013 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,560 think it's important to put a fiscal 1014 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:05,359 max. 1015 00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:07,599 >> So really what you're looking at is just 1016 00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:10,800 uh the fiscal impact of this could um 1017 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,520 amount to $10 million and then see 1018 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:14,800 fiscal impact statement. 1019 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:15,920 >> Yes. a number. 1020 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,720 >> It's just a statement um basically 1021 00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:21,280 summarizing that one one line that 1022 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,599 summarizes the impact 1023 00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:24,560 >> the fiscal impact. 1024 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,640 >> So the fiscal impact number needs to be 1025 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:31,030 listed. 1026 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,359 » One more follow-up question. Are those 1027 00:42:33,359 --> 00:42:36,079 fiscal impact statements always over the 1028 00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:37,760 same time frame or could it be over 1029 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,680 different time frames by different 1030 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,000 ballots? Like do we need to specify that 1031 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,200 the time frame has to be in there 1032 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,960 because it could be one mill they could 1033 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,800 say the physical impact is $1 million 1034 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,280 over the course of one year or is that1 1035 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:49,760 million 1036 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,760 >> typically they would put a time frame. 1037 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:52,319 >> Okay. 1038 00:42:52,319 --> 00:42:54,000 >> I've only seen them with the time frame. 1039 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,920 It's sort of 1040 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,680 >> misleading I think just to put a number 1041 00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:58,319 with it. 1042 00:42:58,319 --> 00:42:58,560 >> Right. 1043 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,480 >> So I think if we'reing that dollar 1044 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,800 amount in that statement it should also 1045 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,079 have the time frame. 1046 00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:08,240 Let's take out more words. 1047 00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:13,280 >> Yeah. a legal question. Um 1048 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,800 I'm concerned about lawsuits if it's so 1049 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,599 truncated that um you know, hey, this 1050 00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:23,440 will cost $10 million but doesn't 1051 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,760 >> then it's like not it's still but it's 1052 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,760 not 1053 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,640 >> disagreements from folks. Is that 1054 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,800 inviting 1055 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,280 more litigation over well that's not how 1056 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:36,960 I'd frame it and I think you're doing 1057 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,200 such a bad job of it. It's so 1058 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,400 disingenuous that I need to sue to get 1059 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:47,760 this statement changed in in court. 1060 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,599 >> I actually 1061 00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:50,160 because it's 1062 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,800 >> I mean I think it's been I think there's 1063 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,560 a probably a risk there. There's I mean 1064 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,640 >> every 1065 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,480 and it's it needs they people need to 1066 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,119 know that it's it's a fiscal impact 1067 00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:04,720 statement but it's also an estimate 1068 00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:06,319 because we don't have exact numbers 1069 00:44:06,319 --> 00:44:08,319 until the process starts because a whole 1070 00:44:08,319 --> 00:44:10,160 bunch of stuff comes up along the way 1071 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,800 that we can't foresee or else you know 1072 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,960 >> so 1073 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,280 is it a risk? Absolutely. Saying an 1074 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,880 attorney is going to write the report is 1075 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,560 a risk. Saying the city's finance 1076 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,040 director is writing this is a risk. You 1077 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,480 know, people may not like that word 1078 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,240 either because it's they work for the 1079 00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:28,400 city. So, 1080 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,040 >> is a 200word um cap etched in stone? 1081 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:37,270 >> It's in state law. 1082 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,400 » I asked the auditor about like, you 1083 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,079 know, 1084 00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:42,560 >> change that. 1085 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:43,839 >> Can you make can you make it happen for 1086 00:44:43,839 --> 00:44:45,760 us? And he was like, absolutely. You get 1087 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,589 200 words. 1088 00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:51,680 But also, what page are we on in this 1089 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,119 big? 1090 00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:54,720 >> No, not this, but like in the pamphlet 1091 00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:56,880 because once people like are voting, 1092 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,960 they're going to end up stop reading 1093 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,359 >> because a lot of the voters 1094 00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:03,119 >> are in a different generation or the 1095 00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:04,960 more voters that we're trying to get are 1096 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,280 in a different generation and they're 1097 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,359 not going to be reading pamphlets. 1098 00:45:11,359 --> 00:45:14,000 We want them to to be educated, but 1099 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,240 >> a combination of people that really 1100 00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:18,400 meticulous, right, that it just glazes 1101 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:18,800 over. 1102 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,480 >> Yeah. and they're like, "Sure. Who's 1103 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,040 that?" I like that they have 1104 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,280 >> Yeah. I just um you know, listening to 1105 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:26,560 this discussion, which I think is a 1106 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,560 really good discussion. Um one of the 1107 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,400 things and the stadium immediately came 1108 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,079 to my mind and I thought about all the 1109 00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:33,440 meetings that we had where we couldn't 1110 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,280 say the amount, not because we didn't 1111 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,599 have an amount, but because it was just 1112 00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:41,599 like could be $10 to $10 million. And um 1113 00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:43,280 some of the response back that we got 1114 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,560 from constituents was um well we saw 1115 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:47,839 this meeting and this is where you said 1116 00:45:47,839 --> 00:45:49,440 it's going to cost $10 million so we're 1117 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:50,800 holding it to you that to the $10 1118 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,520 million. So to the points that have been 1119 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,599 brought up that is a concern that I too 1120 00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:57,839 share is that once you put a number in 1121 00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:00,079 there um it doesn't matter if you say 1122 00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:02,400 that it's a fiscal impact statement. 1123 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,960 means invoice like it's real 1124 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,720 like that's it what it's going to be. 1125 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:08,400 That's how it can be perceived to be. 1126 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,319 And I'm a little concerned that we will 1127 00:46:10,319 --> 00:46:12,640 lock everything that we've got down to 1128 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,200 or folks will feel like that's what it 1129 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,040 has to be and it can't be anything else. 1130 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,319 So I'm a little nervous about how um 1131 00:46:20,319 --> 00:46:23,280 exact in that words the 200 words that 1132 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:24,960 we would want to put something like it 1133 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,200 would be $10 million etc. 1134 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:30,960 >> So you can just keep the language that 1135 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,160 you all voted on 1136 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:33,520 >> which is up on the screen right now. But 1137 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:34,240 >> yeah I 1138 00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:36,079 >> we can get rid of the attorneys from the 1139 00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:39,440 previous one. Yeah, we can say this was 1140 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,760 what the group um what you approved. Um 1141 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,040 this 1142 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,960 >> staff has a chance when it goes to the 1143 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,880 council to explain I mean the attorney 1144 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,240 has his chance to talk to the council 1145 00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:53,200 and explain like their concerns. Um I 1146 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,599 think we can definitely explain 1147 00:46:55,599 --> 00:46:58,400 >> this conversation and like the idea of 1148 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,640 wanting more voter information. Um, 1149 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,040 another path could be that um, it's 1150 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,200 better if it's in the charter, but if 1151 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,440 this is complicated because of those 1152 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,160 limitations on the voters's pamphlet, 1153 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,560 the council could, you know, pass an 1154 00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,880 ordinance that has the finance director 1155 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,440 prepare this and then maybe we're not 1156 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,040 limited to 100 words. It could be a 1157 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,240 little more substantive um, as part of 1158 00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:28,630 um, ballot measures. 1159 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:28,960 Yeah, 1160 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:33,599 >> I do I would say that there like of the three ballot measures that we had 1161 00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:38,000 most recently um the minimum wage one 1162 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,640 the fiscal impact like to the city was 1163 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,160 like relatively minimal because our the 1164 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,480 employees that are that are closest to 1165 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,640 that wage are already generally above 1166 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,480 that. Um I don't know that the director 1167 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,839 would estimate like a re you know 1168 00:47:55,839 --> 00:47:57,440 citywide impact what that would look 1169 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,920 like. The watershed one I it would have 1170 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,440 been it might have been really 1171 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,400 complicated because there were there are 1172 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,359 lots of thoughts about what the cost 1173 00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:11,440 could be to 1174 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,520 future development on kind of all sides 1175 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,280 of that. So certainly 1176 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,839 >> I think I'm going to note my two cents 1177 00:48:19,839 --> 00:48:23,680 on this is that in the battle of 1178 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,800 logistics within those 200 words versus 1179 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,359 the value statement of transparency that 1180 00:48:29,359 --> 00:48:32,319 we were going for that I I lean toward 1181 00:48:32,319 --> 00:48:35,359 that transparency and asking for the 1182 00:48:35,359 --> 00:48:38,319 statement and recognizing that we are 1183 00:48:38,319 --> 00:48:40,480 that in that advisory role that the 1184 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,119 statement to the council be that there 1185 00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:45,920 is something missing in this process and 1186 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,880 uh this is us saying that transparency 1187 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,400 is what is missing. Um and we've got to 1188 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,800 figure out those logistics. 1189 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,480 >> We we're going to I'd rather vote for 1190 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,400 the value than picking apart the 1191 00:48:58,400 --> 00:48:59,680 logistics. 1192 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:00,400 >> I agree. 1193 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,079 >> Okay. Well, 1194 00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:03,760 >> we can just leave it. I'll fix it so 1195 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,599 that it's the way that you voted on two 1196 00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:07,920 weeks ago. And if that's 1197 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,359 >> that's kind of what we're all talking 1198 00:49:09,359 --> 00:49:11,119 about. Exactly. Yeah. Go back to the way 1199 00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:11,520 it was. 1200 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,440 >> Great. Great. that will I will make it 1201 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,520 happen. Um, fix. Great. Uh, okay. Moving 1202 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,160 on to what which should be your page. 1203 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,160 Oh, now I got another random page in 1204 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:23,599 there. You you just tell the pages 1205 00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:24,720 because they're not going to be right on 1206 00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:26,880 screen because I've added all this text. 1207 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,160 >> We're on page 17. 1208 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:28,880 >> Yes. 1209 00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:29,760 >> 116. 1210 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:34,240 >> Okay. So, this one uh this should be 1211 00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:37,200 fine. This is the just kind of a 1212 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,280 modernization thing, but it relates to 1213 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,559 the um posting and adding in the website 1214 00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:46,400 language and the using the website or if 1215 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,240 none exists the newspaper of general 1216 00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:51,520 circulation and doing the things that 1217 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:52,960 Right. He didn't make any changes to 1218 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,160 this one, did he? 1219 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:55,839 >> I think so. I think that's what we voted 1220 00:49:55,839 --> 00:49:56,240 on. 1221 00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:57,200 >> Okay. 1222 00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:57,680 >> Yeah. 1223 00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,440 Okay. 1224 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:00,240 >> Yeah. 1225 00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:01,520 >> He might Oh, you know what? What's 1226 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,680 different? He put the ABCs. They're not 1227 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,240 like they're all in a paragraph form. 1228 00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:08,720 That's what's different. Which is nice. 1229 00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:11,040 >> I If we wanted to though, I was gonna 1230 00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,160 say if we wanted to cut down 1231 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,720 propositions, this might fit in that 1232 00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:20,480 modernization one rather than 1233 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,040 >> Yeah, that was just one recommendation. 1234 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,040 >> Yeah, 1235 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,880 >> it is pretty well the same. 1236 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,079 Okay, that's Yeah, I think it's like I 1237 00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:34,160 mean we did add these a couple little 1238 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:38,000 things but dates and stuff but 1239 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:38,720 >> is that 1240 00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:40,400 >> Oh, yeah. N 1241 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:45,440 >> Yeah. Yeah. The um Proposition Nine. 1242 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,920 It's good as we said. It is this what 1243 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:52,000 would show up on a ballot? 1244 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:52,640 >> The 1245 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:53,839 >> basically 1246 00:50:53,839 --> 00:50:55,920 >> the shall ever charter part. Yes. 1247 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,520 >> Yeah. It's our suggestion. Yeah. 1248 00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,119 >> So if I read that I'd be I they don't in 1249 00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:02,559 this they don't know we're solving a 1250 00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:03,440 problem. 1251 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:03,760 >> Yeah. 1252 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,240 >> Like you're saying as oo it currently 1253 00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:07,839 states that this is to be placed in a 1254 00:51:07,839 --> 00:51:09,440 newspaper 1255 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,280 because if I was like well why are they 1256 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,400 putting that on the website? I don't 1257 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:13,520 want I don't even know what it is. I 1258 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:14,800 don't know why it's on a website. I 1259 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,480 don't want to look at the city website. 1260 00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,559 But if you say this currently is in the 1261 00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:20,960 newspaper everybody will go well duh. 1262 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,640 This needs to be changed. 1263 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,390 >> Yeah. 1264 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,640 Thank you. 1265 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:29,760 >> Um 1266 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,680 >> I that that totally throws things off. I 1267 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,200 know. But right now, if I read this, I 1268 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:34,640 would vote probably against this because 1269 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:35,920 I'd like I don't want this on a website 1270 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,880 and I don't want it on a and I I don't I 1271 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,559 don't want to go to the website. I I 1272 00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:41,520 wouldn't even know what it's talking 1273 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,520 about really. 1274 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,680 >> I will I'll I can pass that on to the 1275 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,359 Yeah. Thanks. As soon as you say 1276 00:51:49,359 --> 00:51:51,280 newspaper, I go, "Oh, yeah. I see those 1277 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:52,720 in the Herald." And I've always wondered 1278 00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:56,079 what those things are. 1279 00:51:56,079 --> 00:51:58,880 I think um Mason, to the point you just 1280 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,960 made, if you look at page 20, this is 1281 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,720 why I think we should put it. This is 1282 00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:04,400 another reason why it should probably be 1283 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,640 with this Proposition 11 1284 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,640 >> because it just in here it says 1285 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,640 published on the city's website instead 1286 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,280 of allowing notices in a newspaper. 1287 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,440 >> It's more clear on that one. 1288 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,680 >> There it is. Thank you. Good job. That's 1289 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:18,720 it. 1290 00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:22,319 >> Okay, great. I won't I'll 1291 00:52:22,319 --> 00:52:22,880 uh 1292 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:23,920 >> Yeah, we put that 1293 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:24,960 >> combine. 1294 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,520 >> Are we combining it with 16.3? 1295 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,839 >> We're gonna do Do you want to like 1296 00:52:31,839 --> 00:52:34,480 I don't know like 100% affirmatively or 1297 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,640 just ask that it be combined or 1298 00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,640 >> uh we're just going to do this add this 1299 00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,000 one to 1300 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:43,359 >> section 163, right? 1301 00:52:43,359 --> 00:52:43,680 >> Yeah. 1302 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:44,960 >> And it's just another modernization 1303 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:45,599 language. 1304 00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:46,960 >> Okay. You know what? I think it makes 1305 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:47,920 sense. We'll just 1306 00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,160 >> It's proposition 11, right? We just add 1307 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:50,960 it to 1308 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:51,680 >> Yeah. So, 1309 00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,359 >> I don't think it works against us under 1310 00:52:53,359 --> 00:52:55,119 our other theory of having too many. 1311 00:52:55,119 --> 00:52:56,800 >> Correct. It's very simp. 1312 00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,000 >> Yeah. 1313 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,160 >> Okay. I will make that change in the 1314 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,280 report. Got it. 1315 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,240 That we only have like kind of one left. 1316 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:07,520 We already talked about the other ones. 1317 00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,720 So, okay. Uh this this is the relatively 1318 00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:13,680 simple periodic review changing this so 1319 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,760 that not later than February 15, 2031 in 1320 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,760 five years and at least once each 10 or 1321 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,440 each 5year period after 2026. This is 1322 00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,559 what the attorney wrote. Um 1323 00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:31,839 uh we we do this again. So this was the 1324 00:53:31,839 --> 00:53:33,359 we talked about this right at the end of 1325 00:53:33,359 --> 00:53:39,280 last meeting and this is the language. 1326 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,920 So 1327 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,559 good enough to all right get a chance to 1328 00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:45,599 read this because this is something that 1329 00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:47,920 we voted on without proposal language at 1330 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,280 the last reading and this first time you 1331 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:50,480 get a chance to see it. So if you have 1332 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,160 anything to add or discuss on this, 1333 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:53,440 please pick up. 1334 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,880 >> Is is there any way to make it larger? I 1335 00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,960 can't I can't read it. Yes, I can do two 1336 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:05,599 things to make it larger. I can do this. 1337 00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:06,400 And 1338 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,960 >> there we go. 1339 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:14,630 >> Oh, 1340 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:18,630 that work for you, Grand 1341 00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,960 250%. 1342 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,200 Yes. Okay. Okay, good. Sorry about that. 1343 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:24,960 Thank you for asking to make it larger. 1344 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:31,910 Appreciate it. 1345 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,079 So I guess that what this does is say 1346 00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:38,559 that in five years and at least once 1347 00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:41,200 every five years after this year we 1348 00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,640 convene the charter review committee. 1349 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,839 >> The current format is on the 10th year 1350 00:54:47,839 --> 00:54:49,839 each thereafter. Right. 1351 00:54:49,839 --> 00:54:50,640 >> Yes. So if we 1352 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,720 >> within each you could do it in 31 and 32 1353 00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:55,119 and then not do it again for nine years. 1354 00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:56,160 Um 1355 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,200 >> I I I Is there any way we can get it so 1356 00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:06,240 the mayor is not appointing 10 members? 1357 00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:07,760 Um 1358 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,720 just I I just think that Yeah. Is there 1359 00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:14,720 any way that um we can get it? So let's 1360 00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:16,720 see the mayor where where is it? The 1361 00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:18,400 committee shall be composed of not less 1362 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,680 than seven no more than 10 members 1363 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,559 appointed by the mayor. I think we 1364 00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:27,599 should keep that number to I don't know 1365 00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:30,880 the is I think that number needs to be 1366 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,960 less. 1367 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,280 I mean if we're to if the charter is 1368 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:39,359 supposedly supposed to be like a totally 1369 00:55:39,359 --> 00:55:42,559 hands-off thing um which it wasn't this 1370 00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:45,760 year um I think that number should be 1371 00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,119 less but I mean 1372 00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:51,520 that's just my opinion. How many did she 1373 00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,680 appoint this year? 1374 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,680 >> Seven. She appoints seven. So she's 1375 00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:56,880 seven council members. She appointed 1376 00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,400 seven and then each council member 1377 00:55:58,400 --> 00:55:59,680 appointed one this year. 1378 00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,760 >> Exactly. And then the committee 1379 00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,480 >> right 1380 00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,240 >> the 10 in case there's like a 1381 00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:08,960 resignation. 1382 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:09,520 >> Um 1383 00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:14,000 >> what's the world in which American 1384 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:15,680 looked at it was that it was a little it 1385 00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:16,799 was just like a little more 1386 00:56:16,799 --> 00:56:18,400 straightforward for council. If she 1387 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,640 picked seven, there's seven of them. 1388 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,160 They each pick one versus you guys, the 1389 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,119 seven of you fight it out and find nine 1390 00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:28,880 people that you couldn't, you know, like 1391 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:30,400 how did how do you pick the last two? 1392 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:31,119 Like 1393 00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:34,240 >> I think his qu your question is um why 1394 00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:36,720 up to 10 instead of just seven? 1395 00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:38,559 >> Yeah. I don't know. 1396 00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:40,559 >> I mean I don't 1397 00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:42,640 it's effectively up to the mayor. She 1398 00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,720 could pick seven, eight, nine or 10 and 1399 00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:47,119 then the council picks they get the same 1400 00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:49,920 amount. 1401 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:50,319 >> Yeah. 1402 00:56:50,319 --> 00:56:52,160 The council gets to pick the same. 1403 00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,160 The council could pick 10 as well. 1404 00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:54,559 Right. 1405 00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:57,440 >> Right. If she picked 10, they pick 10. 1406 00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,119 >> Mason. 1407 00:56:59,119 --> 00:56:59,839 Go ahead, Mason. 1408 00:56:59,839 --> 00:57:02,400 >> Yeah. I do think that is the key is that 1409 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,480 if the mayor picks if we lower the mayor 1410 00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:05,760 to four, 1411 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,400 >> then the council gets four. If it's 1412 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,400 seven, it's seven. If it's 10, it's 10. 1413 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,200 So there should be a balance between a 1414 00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:14,799 hope for for a balance between the 1415 00:57:14,799 --> 00:57:16,400 council and the mayor. This is something 1416 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,280 to think about because it is with with 1417 00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,960 our strong mayor system, there should be 1418 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,960 a balance of power between the mayor and 1419 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,640 the city council. And so it's it's 1420 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,280 important to talk about it. But I like 1421 00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,040 that it's seven and seven or 10 and 10 1422 00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,200 or one and one. Doesn't matter. It's 1423 00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,400 just the same between the two branches. 1424 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,480 >> Yeah. Listen, 1425 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,640 >> I was going to say similar to what Mason 1426 00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:44,559 said, but also just add that all these 1427 00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:46,480 recommendations then also go through the 1428 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,559 city council. And so I I I think there's 1429 00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:53,119 a little bit of additional balance there 1430 00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:55,839 as well. 1431 00:57:55,839 --> 00:57:56,960 >> Okay. 1432 00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:58,880 >> That's what you were going to say. 1433 00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,559 >> No, 1434 00:58:00,559 --> 00:58:02,960 I mean what I was going to say has to do 1435 00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:04,960 with, you know, the end of a sentence 1436 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,200 where it says a like number appointed by 1437 00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,319 city council. So, so that makes people 1438 00:58:10,319 --> 00:58:12,319 probably feel like it's not rigged. 1439 00:58:12,319 --> 00:58:13,680 >> Yeah. Right. 1440 00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,200 >> Go ahead, Grant. 1441 00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,440 >> Well, and one of the other issues was 1442 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,839 this year for some reason they did it 1443 00:58:19,839 --> 00:58:22,319 privately behind like closed doors 1444 00:58:22,319 --> 00:58:26,640 instead of more publicly. So there 1445 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:32,069 wasn't there could have been 1446 00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:36,319 there there could have been ones where 1447 00:58:36,319 --> 00:58:38,559 um 1448 00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:41,040 oh it's hard I'm I'm I'm sorry I'm in 1449 00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,359 the middle of doing 10 different things 1450 00:58:43,359 --> 00:58:45,680 but basically 1451 00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,720 also how they're chosen 1452 00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,760 um for some reason it was different this 1453 00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,160 year and how they did it versus how they 1454 00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,640 did it 10 years ago. 1455 00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:00,240 Um and um I was just having this 1456 00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,240 conversation with somebody that was on 1457 00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,079 the charter 10 years ago and they said 1458 00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:07,359 well the they were they were saying like 1459 00:59:07,359 --> 00:59:10,960 it was more open versus this year it was 1460 00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:15,599 like private or closed. Um, and there 1461 00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:19,280 could have been circumstances where like 1462 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,920 the mayor could have chosen 1463 00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,880 eight, but since they didn't know who 1464 00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:29,280 everybody was being chosen, then like 1465 00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,520 the like somebody else could have chosen 1466 00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,240 somebody that, you know, the mayor also 1467 00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,760 chose making it a larger number. But I I 1468 00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,280 don't I don't know. I I'm just not in a 1469 00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,200 place to where I can like clearly think 1470 00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:47,119 or back to it. So, um I think it was 1471 00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:49,440 John that was on the charter review 10 1472 00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,920 years ago. I don't know if he would be 1473 00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,240 able to better explain the differences 1474 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,880 of how they chose 10 years ago versus 1475 00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,520 this last year. 1476 00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,440 >> I was there 10 years ago, but I'd be 1477 01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:05,430 damned if I can. 1478 01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,760 » So, I don't know. I just at the end of 1479 01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,599 the day um 1480 01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:13,599 you know that's just just my thoughts 1481 01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:17,040 are that and my experience level was to 1482 01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,079 this was we're still in a situation 1483 01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:22,079 where if the mayor wants something to be 1484 01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:24,079 passed then it's probably going to get 1485 01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:25,599 passed and if the mayor does not want 1486 01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:27,839 something to get passed um they're 1487 01:00:27,839 --> 01:00:31,920 probably not going to get it passed um 1488 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,799 because they're already you know you got 1489 01:00:34,799 --> 01:00:38,880 to it's you you know, 8 to 8 and if you 1490 01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,160 got to get to a threshold of 10 that the 1491 01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,880 mayor can pass through whatever they 1492 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:50,000 want and um you know I just don't I I 1493 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,280 don't think that that is 1494 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,240 you know um I I I don't think that that 1495 01:00:56,240 --> 01:01:00,000 is hands off enough for me. So um 1496 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,079 thanks. 1497 01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:03,920 >> I have my hand up if that's okay. 1498 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,119 >> Yeah, go ahead. Uh this this aligns what 1499 01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:09,040 Grant's talking about aligns with what I 1500 01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:10,640 brought at the end of last week's 1501 01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,319 meeting. Grant exactly what you talked 1502 01:01:12,319 --> 01:01:13,440 about. I mean a lot of these things 1503 01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,440 you're talking about I can't say exactly 1504 01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,839 but and there's some alignment here and 1505 01:01:17,839 --> 01:01:19,520 we had a really good discussion about 1506 01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,559 this about do it does the council 1507 01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:24,960 approve everybody is it done in the city 1508 01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,680 council meeting and it was a really good 1509 01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:29,200 discussion and at the end of it I 1510 01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,040 withdrew my proposal because I really 1511 01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,200 felt like it wasn't going anywhere. I 1512 01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,200 don't I don't think it lost. So, we kind 1513 01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:36,559 of went down this road and had I thought 1514 01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:38,160 we had a really good discussion in our 1515 01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:42,240 last meeting about it and I I don't you 1516 01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:46,720 know your your your concerns are are um 1517 01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,359 are real and 1518 01:01:49,359 --> 01:01:50,720 at this point I don't think there's 1519 01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,559 energy to change anything about how it's 1520 01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:55,760 done as far as being public or in or or 1521 01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,440 approved in a city council meeting 1522 01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:58,480 generally. 1523 01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,720 >> Well, that's because the mayor has eight 1524 01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,119 people on there. So, 1525 01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:04,960 >> well, I was the one that I was the one 1526 01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:06,640 that brought the proposal and and I was 1527 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,640 not appointed by the mayor. So, 1528 01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:09,920 >> well, that's what I'm saying, though. 1529 01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,040 So, like Mason, if it's if it's not good 1530 01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:15,599 for the mayor, there's already eight 1531 01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:17,760 people there that aren't are are going 1532 01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,119 to vote it down or they're going to play 1533 01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:22,400 games and do whatever. You know, I also 1534 01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,240 there's a lot of people in that room 1535 01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:25,920 that have significant conflicts of 1536 01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,559 interest that probably shouldn't be on 1537 01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:30,960 the board anyways. But 1538 01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,200 >> this room Yeah. 1539 01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,440 >> Are you talking about this room, Grant? 1540 01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,680 >> Yeah, I am. There I there there are 1541 01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,599 people in that room that have conflicts 1542 01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:42,079 of interest that probably 1543 01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:43,839 >> I think this is inappropriate, too. All 1544 01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:44,640 right. I definitely 1545 01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,000 >> Thanks for your feedback, Grant. We're 1546 01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,720 gonna move on. Okay. 1547 01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:50,480 >> Go ahead. Oh, this is 1548 01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:54,880 >> I'm just going to say that um I um was 1549 01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,520 not appointed by the mayor. Um I have 1550 01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,920 been through the last three charter 1551 01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:02,480 reviews with the city and I saw no 1552 01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,440 difference this time and I worked for 29 1553 01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,319 council members and so I definitely saw 1554 01:03:08,319 --> 01:03:10,160 different council members and how they 1555 01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:11,920 selected the charter members and I saw 1556 01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,960 no different and my I am not in favor of 1557 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:16,720 changing the number for the mayor to be 1558 01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,240 less than the council. I think the 1559 01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:20,480 process the way it is um would be 1560 01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,640 something that I would be in favor of 1561 01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,280 now. So, 1562 01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,559 >> so we're still on uh page 18 and anyone 1563 01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:30,160 going to change this to a 5-year period? 1564 01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:31,760 That's what we voted on last meeting. 1565 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:32,160 >> Mhm. 1566 01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:36,950 >> Any other discussion on this? 1567 01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:38,880 No motion. 1568 01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,440 Okay. On to page 19. 1569 01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,839 >> All right. Um Oh, right. This is the 1570 01:03:43,839 --> 01:03:46,559 website piece. So I walked through this 1571 01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:48,160 earlier. 1572 01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:49,680 Um 1573 01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,160 it's the 1574 01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,960 this and then we want to add the 1575 01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:58,799 prop 9 the yeah 11.6 stuff and Mason has 1576 01:03:58,799 --> 01:04:01,359 >> yeah these are all simply adding 1577 01:04:01,359 --> 01:04:02,880 something other than a newspaper I think 1578 01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,720 and which wanted to include that last 1579 01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,000 point to this 1580 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,240 >> it's makes it a newspaper or website 1581 01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:09,760 >> right 1582 01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,240 Mason go ahead. Grant is just asking a 1583 01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:13,440 question in the chat. I could see it 1584 01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:14,640 because I'm online, so it's easier for 1585 01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:18,640 me. Do we need him for a quorum? 1586 01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:19,039 >> Um, 1587 01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:22,160 >> hang on. We'll bring it up in a second. 1588 01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,880 >> Well, one, two, three, four, five, six, 1589 01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,280 seven, 13, nine, 10, 11. No, we don't. 1590 01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:28,400 So, Grant, you're 1591 01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,240 >> We do not need Grant for a quorum. We're 1592 01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:31,039 okay. Grant, 1593 01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:33,680 >> if you need to head out for whatever 1594 01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:34,000 reason, 1595 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,799 >> I've got to go. Get I got I got child 1596 01:04:36,799 --> 01:04:42,630 duties. Okay. Bye. Yeah. 1597 01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,319 And as a reminder, we did have a motion 1598 01:04:44,319 --> 01:04:45,839 and a second and a vote on this one 1599 01:04:45,839 --> 01:04:46,400 already, 1600 01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,200 >> right? To to get it here sort of to move 1601 01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:50,799 it to the same phase as all the other 1602 01:04:50,799 --> 01:04:52,079 ones that we've been walking through. 1603 01:04:52,079 --> 01:04:52,480 So, 1604 01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,880 >> and it was a versioning vote, too. 1605 01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:55,440 >> Is that right? 1606 01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,359 >> Yeah, I think we have two that are 1607 01:04:57,359 --> 01:04:59,359 absent. 1608 01:04:59,359 --> 01:04:59,520 Can 1609 01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,520 >> I just make a quick question on here? 1610 01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,319 Um, do we think that there's any concern 1611 01:05:04,319 --> 01:05:09,200 over the or because know this is an if. 1612 01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,119 Could it be like for one thing it's 1613 01:05:11,119 --> 01:05:13,200 posted in the newspaper and then for 1614 01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:14,720 another thing it's posted on the website 1615 01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,720 where there's not a consistent spot 1616 01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,559 where it's going to be where the 1617 01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:20,960 constituents know I always go here or 1618 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,200 this information 1619 01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:24,720 now that there's two potential places 1620 01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,240 where it's a or is that an issue or can 1621 01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:29,599 you put and or 1622 01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:31,920 >> with with a changing media landscape I 1623 01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,160 think I just leave the flexibility of 1624 01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,880 the or we don't know if a newspaper 1625 01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:38,240 record will close 1626 01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,079 >> because we The city is going to maintain 1627 01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:41,599 its website. 1628 01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:43,839 >> I I I I don't think it's an issue. I 1629 01:05:43,839 --> 01:05:46,880 guess is is my short answer to to 1630 01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:48,240 >> Well, so you're saying we have to post 1631 01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:49,280 it in the newspaper right now. 1632 01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:50,480 >> Right now, yeah. 1633 01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,760 >> Oh, the official option, but once it 1634 01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,960 prickles out and it goes away, Ben, 1635 01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,280 um the study's website is the backup and 1636 01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:00,480 that's why it's built in. 1637 01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,480 >> Okay. But the goal of this is still to 1638 01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,400 use the newspaper as the primary and 1639 01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,240 then if it were to go away then it would 1640 01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:07,920 go on the website. But we're not 1641 01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:09,200 choosing it to go on the website from 1642 01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,680 here forward. Well, for instance reason, 1643 01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:13,920 >> good question. This doesn't do that. 1644 01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,079 This just says 1645 01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:19,280 >> either one. So like after this passes in 1646 01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,440 January, we could just 1647 01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,440 >> not post in the newspaper even though 1648 01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,440 the Herald is amazing and going strong 1649 01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:26,640 and 1650 01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,880 >> and still read widely. 1651 01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,920 >> It won't be happy 1652 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:32,960 right now. 1653 01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,760 >> Yeah. I I mean that's I would presume 1654 01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,480 that the city would probably do both 1655 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,880 until such time as either the city 1656 01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:42,880 website disappears or the Herald goes 1657 01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:44,000 away. I know that was kind of the 1658 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,000 initial concern was what happens if 1659 01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,440 there's not a city newspaper. I'd 1660 01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,200 presume the city is going to do both 1661 01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:52,960 until as long as it exists. 1662 01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,839 >> Can that explanation be covered and kind 1663 01:06:55,839 --> 01:06:59,359 of noted for the council 1664 01:06:59,359 --> 01:07:01,359 >> that we are hoping for? 1665 01:07:01,359 --> 01:07:03,280 >> Yeah. 1666 01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,160 just asing that the Herald is here and 1667 01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:07,440 you're using it. 1668 01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,359 >> Yeah. 1669 01:07:09,359 --> 01:07:11,440 >> We don't want to make you in violation 1670 01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:12,960 of the charter by saying you have to 1671 01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:14,720 publish it somewhere that doesn't exist. 1672 01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,240 >> And ordinances are already on the 1673 01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,640 website. They post them like right as we 1674 01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:20,640 get them in and signed. So that's 1675 01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:22,160 already being done anyway. So I 1676 01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,079 >> I do actually think everything that's 1677 01:07:24,079 --> 01:07:27,119 listed is already on the website. There 1678 01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:28,960 might be, 1679 01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:30,880 you know, like maybe this petition 1680 01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:32,559 thing, which is not as common. Like 1681 01:07:32,559 --> 01:07:34,160 there might be a couple instances in 1682 01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,880 here that are less likely to be like 1683 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:38,640 really obviously on the website. So, 1684 01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:40,880 this might um 1685 01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,440 encourage that. But I I could definitely 1686 01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,680 note that your intent was not to just 1687 01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:46,799 >> not to eliminate the newspaper, 1688 01:07:46,799 --> 01:07:49,200 >> get rid of the newspaper posting, but to 1689 01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,200 allow for flexibility and in fact maybe 1690 01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,119 even encourage it to also be on the 1691 01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:54,640 website because that's another good 1692 01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:56,720 access point. 1693 01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:57,599 Okay. 1694 01:07:57,599 --> 01:07:59,039 >> Yeah. I think our conversation was not 1695 01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:00,960 everybody gets a newspaper anymore. 1696 01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:02,559 Having another 1697 01:08:02,559 --> 01:08:04,160 >> having another way. Yeah, 1698 01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,000 >> I was thinking. 1699 01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,480 >> Okay. 1700 01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,839 Uh, okay. That's that guy. 1701 01:08:11,839 --> 01:08:13,520 And 1702 01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:14,559 >> right, 1703 01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:16,080 >> those are all the propositions. There's 1704 01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:18,000 the table at the back. I sent you guys 1705 01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,640 the source of this which had everybody's 1706 01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:24,000 like who submitted. I could put the the 1707 01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,560 full table in here. Um, I don't know why 1708 01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:31,040 I didn't. I can't remember anymore. Um, 1709 01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:34,080 they're all here because so a few of 1710 01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:37,759 them at the back were 1711 01:08:37,759 --> 01:08:39,440 there may be redundancies. 1712 01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:40,960 >> Yeah, 1713 01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:42,159 >> was like, "Hey, can you combine some 1714 01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:43,600 stuff?" And I started to go in, but then 1715 01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,719 I was like, "But these were this was a 1716 01:08:46,719 --> 01:08:48,799 specific thing that a individual 1717 01:08:48,799 --> 01:08:50,239 submitted even though their name isn't 1718 01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:52,239 there anymore. So, I didn't feel like I 1719 01:08:52,239 --> 01:08:54,319 could edit it out, but I'm I'm happy to 1720 01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:55,759 talk about if there's a way to combine 1721 01:08:55,759 --> 01:08:58,080 and make it cleaner. 1722 01:08:58,080 --> 01:08:59,679 >> Yeah. 1723 01:08:59,679 --> 01:09:02,400 So, this is a public report, too, in 1724 01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:05,040 addition to going, you know, so my 1725 01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,440 concern is about the office of the 1726 01:09:07,440 --> 01:09:09,520 report that 1727 01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:11,600 what the hell are we doing if all this 1728 01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:15,839 stuff has no response? 1729 01:09:15,839 --> 01:09:17,759 I don't know how you how you get around 1730 01:09:17,759 --> 01:09:20,640 that. Um, it's just my own personal 1731 01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:30,789 observation. 1732 01:09:30,799 --> 01:09:33,359 » Was it included in the last report? A 1733 01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:34,799 similar table? 1734 01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:40,239 >> Yes, they had a similar table. Um, 1735 01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:42,880 I have it in here. Let me find it in 1736 01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:47,110 there. 1737 01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,120 So everything that's in the inventory is 1738 01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:52,960 including your Jennifer. Is that true? 1739 01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:56,560 >> Yes. Just not all the columns. 1740 01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,840 The column the columns might kind of 1741 01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:05,520 make it clearer. So their table they had 1742 01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,870 um 1743 01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,280 they did have more explanatory language. 1744 01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:17,110 Um they've got like one, two, 1745 01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:21,350 three. 1746 01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:25,270 » Yeah, 1747 01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:27,199 » I'm not suggesting changing this thing. 1748 01:10:27,199 --> 01:10:29,679 This would be good for the next charter 1749 01:10:29,679 --> 01:10:30,640 review, 1750 01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:31,760 >> the starting point. 1751 01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:32,560 >> And so the 1752 01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:34,320 >> that's the we use too, right? 1753 01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:40,080 >> But just a question on this. These are any public comment suggestion 1754 01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,560 or anything that we brought up when we 1755 01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,800 first started. Remember everyone was 1756 01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,000 >> and then the 1757 01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:47,440 >> and council input, right? 1758 01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:49,120 >> Yeah. Was she from council? 1759 01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,120 >> But council member Ryan said like I 1760 01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:54,239 think some of these were her list. Um 1761 01:10:54,239 --> 01:10:56,239 >> maybe this is a better wording. So they 1762 01:10:56,239 --> 01:10:58,239 used instead of not discussed they put 1763 01:10:58,239 --> 01:10:59,280 no motion. 1764 01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:00,080 >> That's what I like. 1765 01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:00,880 >> Maybe it's 1766 01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:05,280 >> I like that we got a lot of stuff. I 1767 01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:07,280 actually think you there's some of these 1768 01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:08,800 that you kind of I mean like we kind of 1769 01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:10,719 did talk about I might have mentioned at 1770 01:11:10,719 --> 01:11:12,080 some point about the translating 1771 01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:13,120 documents being 1772 01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,280 >> and franchise renewal modernization. 1773 01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:16,640 >> We actually did that. I'm going to 1774 01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,480 update that. So I'm like wasn't that 1775 01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:21,760 didn't he ask about franch 1776 01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:25,040 that one there. I think that was from 1777 01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:30,070 Commissioner Rubio. 1778 01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:31,920 » No motion 1779 01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:36,480 >> or no action. Yeah. No motion. So what the language that's in the 2016 1780 01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:39,120 report is no motion and then there is 1781 01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,520 some other like most of them have an 1782 01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:44,719 explanation of 1783 01:11:44,719 --> 01:11:47,199 um not all of them but 1784 01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:49,520 >> yeah I like that just yeah there's no 1785 01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:52,800 motions brought forward on the topic 1786 01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:54,960 >> I can yeah 1787 01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,280 >> because we talked about everything yeah 1788 01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:58,880 >> well then couldn't we put discussion 1789 01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,600 comma no motion since we did I mean we 1790 01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:03,520 did talk about everything we just didn't 1791 01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:04,880 We only have so much time, but at least 1792 01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:06,320 we discussed it. We didn't ignore it all 1793 01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:08,719 together. So maybe if we put something 1794 01:12:08,719 --> 01:12:10,320 like that so that they at least know we 1795 01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,719 addressed it. 1796 01:12:12,719 --> 01:12:15,040 >> Yeah, we can hopefully you guys feel 1797 01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,440 like that's accurate. So 1798 01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:18,880 >> I don't think we talked about everything 1799 01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:19,440 on here. 1800 01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:20,239 >> Yeah, I was think 1801 01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:21,360 >> not everything like 1802 01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:22,239 >> ran out of time. 1803 01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:23,840 >> Equity lens reports and commissions. I 1804 01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:25,760 don't think we 1805 01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:27,120 >> we didn't discuss that. We didn't 1806 01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:27,520 discuss 1807 01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:29,199 >> Yeah, that's true. We did not. 1808 01:12:29,199 --> 01:12:31,440 >> I would just say yeah. No motion. 1809 01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:33,360 >> Okay. 1810 01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:34,880 We're going to fight the keyboard, but 1811 01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,440 no motion. 1812 01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:41,120 >> I don't know why I even cry. 1813 01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:44,080 Um, and I'll So, I will also look 1814 01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:46,239 through these and if there I'll catch if 1815 01:12:46,239 --> 01:12:47,840 there's any others. We definitely did 1816 01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:51,120 this 13.5. You actually voted on that 1817 01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,560 tonight. Um, we we might have done this 1818 01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,080 14 one. I don't remember, but I'll go 1819 01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:00,320 look I'll go take another look. And um 1820 01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:02,080 so I'll catch if there's any duplication 1821 01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:03,600 that way that we might have missed 1822 01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:07,040 earlier. Um 1823 01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:08,640 and then just change the not discussed 1824 01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:11,600 to no motion. 1825 01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:12,800 >> I think that's fair. 1826 01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:16,470 >> Okay. 1827 01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:19,360 Yeah. 1828 01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:23,280 Um Oh, okay. Yeah. So the I put some 1829 01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:24,560 language here at the back for things 1830 01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:28,159 that we did talk about. So, the this 1831 01:13:28,159 --> 01:13:30,320 conflict in petition language, like I 1832 01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:31,520 said, was in there, and here's where I 1833 01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,679 said it wasn't. 1834 01:13:33,679 --> 01:13:35,840 I tried to put a bit more together on 1835 01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:37,199 the Office of Neighborhoods because we 1836 01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:43,520 did talk quite a bit about that. And um 1837 01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:47,040 uh and so there's a blurb from the code 1838 01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,600 which was what um Holly James kind of 1839 01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:51,520 spoke to when she came to your public 1840 01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,360 hearings and then some language about 1841 01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,440 like the neighborhoods are important. 1842 01:13:55,440 --> 01:13:58,159 There's loss of funding. These are you 1843 01:13:58,159 --> 01:14:00,239 guys raised concerns about that. You you 1844 01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:02,880 think that we could um should do better 1845 01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:08,149 to reach residences and yeah residents. 1846 01:14:08,159 --> 01:14:12,239 Uh and then um I hope committee member 1847 01:14:12,239 --> 01:14:14,080 Harrington is happy to see that debt 1848 01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:15,840 transparency is in the report back here 1849 01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:19,520 with um some discussion of of that issue 1850 01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:25,520 too and your discussion about it. Um and 1851 01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:27,679 I think 1852 01:14:27,679 --> 01:14:30,320 I guess at the end also noting that you 1853 01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,480 know future consideration outside this 1854 01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:35,440 cycle um 1855 01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:37,600 and the desire you know your general 1856 01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,360 desire for transparency I think is kind 1857 01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:42,000 of my part of the theme of your work. 1858 01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,880 though. 1859 01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,480 Okay, 1860 01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:49,920 >> that the end kind of basically. Yes, 1861 01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:51,440 please. 1862 01:14:51,440 --> 01:14:54,239 >> Is it worth putting in a small thing of 1863 01:14:54,239 --> 01:14:56,480 discussion in here about how because we 1864 01:14:56,480 --> 01:14:58,320 discussed at length of numerous 1865 01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:00,400 different avenues how we're building a 1866 01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:02,880 bench and encouraging 1867 01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:03,600 >> Yeah. Yeah. 1868 01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,080 >> in the neighborhoods part um or just 1869 01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:07,840 >> could be in there, but I think a lot of 1870 01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,239 it is even outside of the neighborhoods. 1871 01:15:10,239 --> 01:15:13,120 There was just a lot of discussion of 1872 01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:14,880 >> we talked about part-time counsel. 1873 01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:16,719 >> Yeah, we talked about full time. 1874 01:15:16,719 --> 01:15:17,360 >> I remember that. 1875 01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,199 >> How can we build a bench and get more 1876 01:15:19,199 --> 01:15:21,280 people engaged and you know we talked 1877 01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,120 about it with term limits too. Like if 1878 01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:24,640 we put in term limits does it then 1879 01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:26,960 encourage building a bench. So some some 1880 01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,440 language about that to push that that we 1881 01:15:29,440 --> 01:15:31,280 really want to see. 1882 01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:33,840 >> So I know we have some junior boards and 1883 01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:35,920 council. I don't know. I've seen 1884 01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:36,960 something about that, but like 1885 01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:38,239 >> yeah, boards and commissions are 1886 01:15:38,239 --> 01:15:40,560 opportunities for folks to get engaged 1887 01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:44,080 and there's other places. 1888 01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:46,800 >> Something about that. 1889 01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:49,600 >> When you say bench, you're talking about 1890 01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:50,320 city council. 1891 01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,080 >> Yeah. For the city council specifically 1892 01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:54,640 because we're we're to get more turnout 1893 01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:58,000 um and more engagement with that 1894 01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:59,280 some succession planning. I know you 1895 01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,440 can't force the council members to pick 1896 01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:04,719 a successor or mentor someone, but I 1897 01:16:04,719 --> 01:16:05,840 think that that should be strongly 1898 01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:07,520 encouraged that they're out in the 1899 01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,159 community thinking about who could be a 1900 01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:12,800 good candidate. 1901 01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:14,719 >> That's true. I probably should have put 1902 01:16:14,719 --> 01:16:17,360 the um 1903 01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:19,120 I term I think these are just like the 1904 01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:20,960 last things we talked about, but so from 1905 01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:22,880 earlier when we talked about the term 1906 01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:24,480 limits and full-time counsel and 1907 01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:26,560 >> and then the salary too and the salary 1908 01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:27,440 >> pay that shifts. 1909 01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:28,960 >> Yeah. Yes. 1910 01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:32,640 And and um 1911 01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:33,440 yeah, 1912 01:16:33,440 --> 01:16:36,560 >> we forgot about it. 1913 01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:37,360 >> What we got first? 1914 01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:38,880 >> Um yeah, I was say I don't necessarily 1915 01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,040 want to add like a ton more text to the 1916 01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:43,760 report, but um the second paragraph of 1917 01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:45,600 the introduction does say the committee 1918 01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,560 show dedication in public. So maybe it's 1919 01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:50,480 just something that be expanded a little 1920 01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:53,679 bit in there. Stephen, 1921 01:16:53,679 --> 01:16:56,640 >> yeah, good place for it. 1922 01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:58,640 >> It does. It would highlight it if we 1923 01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:01,280 kind of flesh out the like 1924 01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:05,120 >> on engagement and transparency and that 1925 01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:07,679 >> covered all of these item these 1926 01:17:07,679 --> 01:17:10,159 >> areas including 1927 01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:12,800 >> um what you just said that I wrote down 1928 01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:14,400 term limits and full-time counsel and 1929 01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:16,239 the salary commission all of those other 1930 01:17:16,239 --> 01:17:22,229 things too. So, um, 1931 01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:23,520 » I think we need to make a motion on the 1932 01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:27,600 final report, don't we? Your hand. 1933 01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:28,320 >> Go ahead, Randy. 1934 01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:30,719 >> Uh, move I 1935 01:17:30,719 --> 01:17:33,440 move acceptance of this report with the 1936 01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:36,640 edits to be made by city staff before 1937 01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:37,840 June 1. 1938 01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:39,760 >> I second. Yeah, 1939 01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:40,880 >> June. 1940 01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:42,159 >> I got to get it done for the council 1941 01:17:42,159 --> 01:17:46,960 packet. Don't worry. I have an earlier deadline than that. 1942 01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:47,840 So, okay. 1943 01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:49,840 >> Yeah. I think we have to be done by 1944 01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:50,320 that. 1945 01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,960 >> Nothing alive, you know. 1946 01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:53,840 >> No pressure here. 1947 01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:54,560 >> Fair enough. 1948 01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:54,960 >> Wow. 1949 01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:55,679 >> That's wonderful. 1950 01:17:55,679 --> 01:17:56,080 >> Cool. 1951 01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:59,120 >> And that'll not be a long email chain. 1952 01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:00,880 >> Just an overall report. So, I'm not 1953 01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:04,159 going to go into specifics because 1954 01:18:04,159 --> 01:18:05,920 from this and a little bit of what was 1955 01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:07,520 discussed in the two things that were 1956 01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:09,360 passed, but it's not going to be like 1957 01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:10,800 any other minutes because there's no one 1958 01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,600 to approve them. So, yeah. Okay. 1959 01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:14,640 >> So, it's moved and second that we 1960 01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:15,840 approve the final report that we 1961 01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:17,280 discussed tonight with including all the 1962 01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:18,880 edits and changes that you all have 1963 01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:20,400 made. Is there any other discussion on 1964 01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:22,159 this at all? 1965 01:18:22,159 --> 01:18:25,199 >> Online any? Seeing none, take the vote. 1966 01:18:25,199 --> 01:18:27,280 All in favor of approving the final 1967 01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:29,760 report of the 2026 charter review 1968 01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:31,600 committee. Raise your hand. Say I. 1969 01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,000 >> I. 1970 01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,400 >> All oppose. Same side. 1971 01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,750 >> Zero. 1972 01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:43,669 you guys. 1973 01:18:43,679 --> 01:18:45,520 Good job. 1974 01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,520 >> Photo or something. 1975 01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:51,510 >> Zoom high five. 1976 01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:53,040 » I'd like to thank the people that are on 1977 01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:55,360 that took the time to serve on this 1978 01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:56,719 thing you've been especially you 1979 01:18:56,719 --> 01:18:59,120 Jennifer and Rod for your leadership. 1980 01:18:59,120 --> 01:18:59,679 Thank you. 1981 01:18:59,679 --> 01:19:00,560 >> Thanks. 1982 01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:01,840 >> Ashley, too. 1983 01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:03,440 >> Ashley as well. Yeah, it's been a it's 1984 01:19:03,440 --> 01:19:04,880 been a little bit of a truck. It's been 1985 01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,679 fun. Uh I'm not quite done yet. Just 1986 01:19:07,679 --> 01:19:09,280 what's happening once Jennifer finishes 1987 01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,520 the final report. I will get that copy. 1988 01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:13,199 I'm going to draft my own statement and 1989 01:19:13,199 --> 01:19:14,640 then I will do the presentation on June 1990 01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:16,320 10th in front of council. Uh we're on 1991 01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:17,120 the agenda, right? 1992 01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:17,920 >> Yeah. 1993 01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:18,960 >> I made the part sheet. 1994 01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:19,760 >> Yeah. Okay. Great. 1995 01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:21,440 >> Last night we'll sit behind you. 1996 01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:22,960 >> So I want to encourage anybody who wants 1997 01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:24,400 to come to the June 10th council 1998 01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:25,840 meeting. It's a 6:30 council meeting 1999 01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:27,840 downstairs. Feel free to show up 2000 01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:29,440 >> or watch on YouTube. 2001 01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:32,480 >> I'm going to just I'm not going to read this thing at all. 2002 01:19:32,480 --> 01:19:33,840 Then you all go and get a copy of it. 2003 01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:35,199 I'm just going to briefly talk about us 2004 01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:37,040 as a group and how we made decisions and 2005 01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,199 how we all collectively worked together 2006 01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:41,040 and uh put a lot of hard work and a lot 2007 01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,360 of great thought into moving our city 2008 01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:44,800 forward. I think is great. So, thanks 2009 01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:46,320 everybody. 2010 01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:47,360 >> Thank you. 2011 01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:48,239 >> You're welcome. 2012 01:19:48,239 --> 01:19:49,600 >> Maybe we'll see you guys again in five 2013 01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:51,600 years. 2014 01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:57,110 >> Bye. 2015 01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:00,560 » Motion to adjourn. Anybody 2016 01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,440 >> motion 2017 01:20:03,440 --> 01:20:05,040 second? All in favor say I. 2018 01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:06,960 >> I. 2019 01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:09,280 >> Meeting is adjourned. 2020 01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:09,760 >> Thank you. 2021 01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:11,760 >> Thanks everybody. There was three of 2022 01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,560 them.