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And someday. You Good evening.

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I would like to call the

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regular meeting of JULY 28th,

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2026 to order if you are able

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and so choose, please rise for

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the Pledge of Allegiance.

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Pledge allegiance to the flag

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of the United States of America

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and to the Republic for which

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it Republic Republic for which

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Republic it Republic stands,

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one nation under GOD,

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indivisible with liberty and

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justice abroad. I would now

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like to invite the Parks and

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Recreation Department to come

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down for the proclamation

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acknowledging JULY as Parks and

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Recreation Month. Everybody

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looks wonderful. Yes ok. All

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right then. Whereas The city of

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Fairfax Parks and Recreation

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Department is dedicated to

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developing and maintaining

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beautiful, safe, and

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environmentally friendly open

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spaces for the public to use

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and enjoy affordable,

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comprehensive and amazing

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experiences, a sense of

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community that enriches

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people

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s lives, contributing to

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the well-being of the

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individual, family, and

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visitors to our city. And

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whereas a strategic master plan

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for parks and recreation was

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passed unanimously by the

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Fairfax City Council in 2014,

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committing city resources to

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ongoing investment in our 25

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public parks, walking trails,

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open space, recreational

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programming, cultural arts, and

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events. And whereas programming

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is offered to serve children

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through camps, older adults

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through the senior center at

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Green Acres and classes for all

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ages held year-round at

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locations across the city,

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offering opportunities for

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educational enrichment, skill

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building, and recreation. And

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whereas Fairfax City events

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draw people from all over the

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region for our chocolate lovers

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festival, our independence Day

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parade, most years, Fall

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Festival, and other

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celebrations, including Rock

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the Block from MAY to OCTOBER,

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all made possible by Parks and

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Recreation staff and their

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collaborative partnerships with

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other Fairfax City departments,

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and whereas cultural arts

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events such as the spotlight on

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the arts, City of Fairfax band

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performances and other theater

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and dance performances held at

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venue. Throughout Fairfax City

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are facilitated and supported

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by the work of our parks and

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recreation staff. And whereas

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environmental sustainability

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and stewardship is central to

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our parks, trails, and open

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spaces, prioritizing a healthy

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tree canopy and working to

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implement best practices

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regarding the planting and care

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of the city

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s green spaces, and

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whereas a vibrant community

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with events and parks is

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central to sustaining and

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growing our economic

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development, drawing visitors

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to our city and attracting new

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residents who choose to make

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their home here. And whereas

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playgrounds, ball fields,

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practice fields, and pavilions

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within our city provide

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children and their families a

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safe, accessible, and

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well-located area in which to

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enjoy outdoor play, sports, and

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celebrations. And whereas the

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us House of Representatives

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representatives have, has

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designated JULY as Parks and

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Recreation Month, now therefore

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I, Catherine s. Reed, mayor of

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the city of Fairfax, on behalf

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of all residents of the city of

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Fairfax. Declare the month of

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JULY with celebrations

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extending through AUGUST as

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Parks and Recreation Month in

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the city of Fairfax, and i

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encourage residents and

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visitors to enjoy, enjoy all

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that our city has to offer

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through our investments made in

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parks, trails, programs,

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cultural arts, and special

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events. Let

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s give it up for

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Parks and Rec. Thank you, uh,

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we just want to thank Mayor and

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council for acknowledging us

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through this proclamation, and

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we, we are also lucky to work

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in a community that is so

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supportive of Parks and

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Recreation and our parks

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facilities, trails, and

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programs are so amazing because

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we have an incredible team, so

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thank you, and now a photograph.

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All right, sir, squinch in.

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Sure, people in the back. Ok.

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All right, and big smiles.

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Couple more. But not you, Katie

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who, who

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s taking this? We

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see. Hurt you. So Catherine

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McCammon. Also known

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affectionately throughout the

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city, is Katie Mack. We have

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something special for you. And

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let me just start by saying for

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people who do not know, Katie

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Mack, she has been with us for

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almost 15 years. She started

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out here. 14 years ago for sure

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Is a camp counselor was hired

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as an intern and was hired in

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cultural arts events management,

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have worked your way all the

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way up to recreation manager.

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And in that time. She has

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committed herself to so many

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things in this city that are

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not even part of her job

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description, which is why Today,

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we are going to honor Katie for

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this right here, the beautiful

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design you saw all over this

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city for the 250th anniversary

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the celebration celebration was

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designed by Katie Mack because

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she is talented, because she is

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talented and she is generous

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and she does things for the

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city because after almost 15

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years, everything she does.

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Reflects how much she cares

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about all of us. So in light,

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m gonna show you this

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right here because it has, it

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has the, has the logo on it.

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Katie McCammon. For your

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Exceptional talent, creativity

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and dedication in designing the

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official logo of the city of

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Fairfax commemorating the 250th

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anniversary of the United

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States Declaration of

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Independence, your contribution

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will serve as a source of

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community pride and a

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meaningful emblem of this

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historic milestone, helping to

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unite residents in the

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celebration of 250 years of

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history, achievement, and

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progress, thank you, Katie, for

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all you do for us every single

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day, but particularly for your

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gift and your talent. Talent

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that really set us apart in

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this national celebration,

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would you like to say a few

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words? Thank you, I guess, um,

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did not know this was happening,

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so, um, I appreciate it and I

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love working here, so thank you

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all for everything that you do

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to support our department and

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allow us to make all these

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things happen. Ok, now a

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picture and a picture. Yes. Big

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smile. Yes. Yes, hang on to it,

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for those of you who got a yard

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sign, and for those of you who

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have t-shirts, you know, the

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emblems on the t-shirts. Hang

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on to those things, really, we

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have the best looking logo in

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the entire nation. I, I feel

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firmly confident about that. We

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agenda a Adoption. Is there a

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motion to approve the agenda. I

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move to adopt the agenda as

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presented. Second. Ok, a motion

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has been made in, uh, seconded

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a roll call vote. Council

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motion passed unanimously. We

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will go on to initial general

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public comment. I had 3 people

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clock P.M. Today,

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m gonna call the first

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speaker up, which is Stacy

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In the fall of 2020, this city

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council apparently went along

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with the Fairfax County Board

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of Supervisors to remove

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so-called offensive monuments

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and landmarks. They voted on

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SEPTEMBER 15th of that year to

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remove 2 us Navy Civil War era

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howitzer cannons, which stood

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on the lawn of the historic

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Fairfax County Courthouse here

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in Fairfax City, along with a

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large stone monument that

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marked this place as one of the

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locations of the first battles

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of the Civil War, and it marked

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the death of John Quincy

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Meagher on JUNE 1st of 1861,

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the very first Confederate

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soldier to die at the hands of

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a Union soldier in the Civil

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War. That summer, 2020 was the

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summer of woke when political

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correctness ran amok nationwide

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along with all of the looters

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and protesters of Antifa and

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other leftist groups who burned

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the downtown areas of several

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cities across our land, the

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idea of political correctness

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is a distinctly communist

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phenomenon, it was created by

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the Bolsheviks in 1918 when

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they murdered the czar and the

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royal family in Russia and took

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over the government. Karl Marx

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and Vladimir Lenin emphasized

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that strong adherence to the

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ideology of their new regime

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was an essential requirement of

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citizens if you deviated from

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their political correctness,

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you would be severely punished.

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You would lose the ability to

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buy or sell, and you might even

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lose your life. The bulls, the

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Bolsheviks promulgation of Karl

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s communist Manifesto

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Destroyed their society for the

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next 70 years and starved 60

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million people to death. Now

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here we are 100 years later,

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and our country, the one that

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was founded upon the ideals and

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the bedrock of personal freedom

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and liberty is doing exactly

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what the communists did, Lenin

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had an agenda he called the

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plan for monumental propaganda,

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his monuments policy called for

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the removal of all monuments

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and statues dedicated to the

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czars as they were of no

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historic or artistic interest.

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Sound familiar? I believe that

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was the exact excuse given in

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2020 to remove the cannons.

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Here

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s a photo of them being

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taken out under the cover of

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darkness in the middle of the

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night. PRESIDENT Trump

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s March

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27th, 2025, executive order

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restoration of truth in

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American History executive

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order number 14253, uh, states,

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we must take action to

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reinstate preexisting monuments,

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more memorials, statues, or

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markers that have been removed

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to perpetuate a false

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reconstruction of American

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history, I submit to you the

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general public is now sick of

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wokeness in society. It is

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communist in origin, and it is

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fundamental. Ally un-American,

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and it is time to put the

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cannons and the monument back,

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thank you. Our next speaker is

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Melody Bentley. Good evening. I

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am PRESIDENT Of the u, excuse

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me, Old Fairfax Muses Home

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Owners Association, and I would

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like to address the combined

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properties proposal for the

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redevelopment of Courthouse

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Plaza. Our community of 74 town

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homes is situated diagonally

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across University Drive from

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Courthouse Plaza. Everyone who

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lives there appreciates the

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proximity of this plaza, which

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provides us walkable access to

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retail, especially the

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desirable convenience of a

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nearby grocery store. We have a

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keen interest, um. And any

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changes to this plaza. We

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appreciate several things about

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this new proposal, the combined

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prob uh properties has

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submitted. There will be

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additional retail. The mixed

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use will provide much-needed

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housing in our area and a park

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is included in the plan.

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However, we have the same

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concerns now as with the first

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proposal that combined

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properties submitted and which

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was detailed in a petition we

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sent to city council last

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SEPTEMBER. The building

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proposal is still 6 stories. It

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is 2 stories taller than the

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small area plan allows, it will

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dwarf and overshadow the rest

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of Old Town. A further reason,

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uh, to respect the 4-story

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limitation concerns traffic.

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University Drive will soon be

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reduced to 1 lane in each

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direction in the vicinity of

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the plaza to accommodate bike

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paths. It will be quite enough

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to ask this road to handle the

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additional vehicles of 3

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stories of apartment dwellers

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and retail. 5 stories of

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apartment dwellers will

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introduce too much traffic

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congestion to this neighborhood.

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Finally, there is the proposed

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architecture which has barely

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changed from the first proposal.

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It is modern. Busy, stark. And

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depressing with its large

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swaths of black facing. It is a

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jarring contrast to Old Town

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and can hardly be considered

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transitional architecture. I

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think combined properties is

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missing a huge opportunity.

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Their site, with its proximity

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to Old Town, if designed well,

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could become a locus of

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downtown activity. Imagine, for

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example, a public square

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surrounded on 3 sides with a

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retail below and apartments

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above, with restaurants and

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outdoor seating, a public

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square, which commu uh where

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community gatherings and events

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could happen. Then Courthouse

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Plaza could really live up to

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its name. Thank you so much for

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your attention. I appreciate it.

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Our last speaker under this

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item is Katie Johnson. Katie

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Johnson and the clerk has my

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address. Um, this is a quote

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from MR. Cunningham from one of

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the previous, um, planning

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commissions. It says from a

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perspective of zero residential

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units, we are now essentially

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at 2000 bedrooms in this space

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with the possibility of adding

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more. Smart growth is just a

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euphemism for density. Back in

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and I

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m saying, please, please,

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please, when you are discussing

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this afternoon or at the later

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this evening, um, the major

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density projects. I ask that

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your decisions be made to put

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everything on hold until the

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citywide level of service, um,

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study comes back, it

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s not

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prudent to Put commitment to

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things that we don

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t know how

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much they cost. We shouldn

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t be

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committing our city without

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fully understanding the true

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cost and the impacts of them.

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So Also, a month

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s subscription

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to Capital Bike Share and a

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prepaid MetroCard is not

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adequate traffic mitigation. So,

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of those 2000, if just 15

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percent of those 2000 bedrooms

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are school-age children, that

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would add $7,159,200 per year

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to our budget, and that

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s only

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going to go up, so please do

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not sacrifice our, our little

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city

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s cherished community

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character for the sake of

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density, so thank you. We can

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move to the consent agenda. Are

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there any questions on any of

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the items on the consent agenda.

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Are there any items canceled

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like pulled from the consent

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agenda. Is there a motion to

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approve the consent agenda. I

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moved to approve the consent

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agenda item 6a throughc as

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presented, uh, JULY 28th, 2026,

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accompanying motions in the

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staff reports and the

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accompanying motions in the

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staff reports. Second. A motion

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has been made by a council

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member Hardy Chandler and

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seconded by Council member

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Peterson, a roll call vote.

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COUNCILMAN McQuillan, Council

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Member Bates Council member

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Peterson Council member Hardy

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Chandler, Council member Hall,

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Council member Amos motion

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passed unanimously. We will go

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on to consideration of

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appointments to boards,

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commissions, and advisory

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committees. Is there a motion

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to approve the appointments to

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boards, commissions, and

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advisory committees. I move to

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appoint the, uh, the following

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applicants Board of

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Architecture Review reappoint.

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Kemsuwan as the architect and

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business representative for a

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3-year term extending through

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JUNE 13th, 2029. Commission for

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Women reappoint Amini Bonani

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for a 3-year term extending

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through JULY 1st, 2029,

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reappoint Brenda Coleman for a

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3-year term extending through

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JUNE 30th, 2029, Commission on

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the Arts, appoint Kirknoll for

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a remainder of a 3-year term

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extending Though DECEMBER 11th,

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2026 with an extension of a

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3-year term extending through

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JULY 2020, JULY 28th, 2029.

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Fairfax Commission on Aging

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reappoint v Meesha Maskey for a

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2-year term extending through

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JULY 9th, 2028, Fairfax County

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Public Library Board of

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Trustees reappoint Suzanne Levy

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for a 4-year term extending

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through JUNE 10th, 2030. Second,

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the motion has been made and

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seconded a roll call vote.

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Council member Amos Council

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Member Hall, Council member

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Hardy Chandler, Council member

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Peterson, Council member Bates,

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Councilor McQuillan motion

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passed unanimously, we

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ll go on

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to public hearings. The only

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public hearing tonight is a

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public hearing and council

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action on proposed amendments

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to the code of the city of

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Fairfax chapter 110 and parent

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zoning to amend portions of the

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articles and sections contained

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therein, including introductory

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provisions, zoning Districts

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and regulations and definitions

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relating to detached accessory

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dwelling units, I

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m gonna

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recognize Eric Forman, our city

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planner for the staff

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presentation. Well, thank you

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very much, good evening. Uh,

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this agenda item is a public

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hearing. It

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s for a series of

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zoning text amendments that

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would permit detached accessory

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dwelling units or ADUs. In

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Fairfax City, if you recall,

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city council held a work

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session in MAY to discuss this

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topic and at that work session,

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council requested that a public

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hearing be scheduled to

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consider these amendments and

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counsel also asked for analysis

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of certain data requests, so

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tonight

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s presentation is

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really in 2 parts, you know,

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the first part is an overview

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of the amendment itself, and

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thi this is largely similar to

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what we had reviewed at the a

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work session. The second part

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looks at the specific data

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requests that council had asked

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for in MAY. We

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ve held quite a

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few meetings on the topic of

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ADUs with various amounts of

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detail, we held some high-level

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work sessions and a community

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meeting in 2024. Last year we

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held work sessions with

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00:20:34,534 --> 00:20:36,934
planning commission and with

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city council where we reviewed

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options to potentially

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accommodate detached accessory

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00:20:43,410 --> 00:20:46,410
dwelling units. In the fall,

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00:20:47,214 --> 00:20:49,516
council asks staff to draft

584
00:20:49,516 --> 00:20:51,916
potential amendments to modify

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00:20:51,985 --> 00:20:54,421
our existing adu standards in

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order to permit detached units,

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00:20:54,688 --> 00:20:55,856
and that

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s what we discussed

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00:20:59,726 --> 00:21:01,762
back in MAY, focusing on uh

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potential amendment details for

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detached accessory dwelling

592
00:21:05,398 --> 00:21:06,833
units. I, I should mention as

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well that the planning

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commission held a public

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hearing on these amendments

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last month, the commission

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recommended approval and I

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ll

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discuss the planning commission

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meeting, uh, a bit more in a

601
00:21:20,346 --> 00:21:22,748
few slides from now. And as you

602
00:21:22,748 --> 00:21:24,685
likely know, accessory dwelling

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00:21:24,685 --> 00:21:27,587
units are currently allowed in

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the city under certain

605
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:30,789
conditions are specifically

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EDUs are currently need to be

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within the home itself or

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attached rather than detached.

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8 ADUs were first permitted in

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2003 in Fairfax City, they were

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at that time considered a

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special use, meaning that

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homeowners needed to come to

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city council and ask for

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00:21:52,312 --> 00:21:53,747
approval, uh, that lasted until

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2016 when ADUs became a

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permitted use, meaning that

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they

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re permitted with, uh,

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subject to conditions. They

621
00:22:04,224 --> 00:22:05,258
also used to be an occupancy

622
00:22:05,258 --> 00:22:07,940
limitation limiting adu

623
00:22:07,940 --> 00:22:09,495
residents to seniors or to

624
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disabled people, city council

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00:22:10,130 --> 00:22:12,530
removed that provision last

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year. Now detached accessory

627
00:22:14,934 --> 00:22:15,435
dwelling units didn

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t just pop

629
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up out of last year

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s work

631
00:22:19,939 --> 00:22:21,842
sessions, the comprehensive

632
00:22:21,842 --> 00:22:23,810
plan recommends this, uh,

633
00:22:23,810 --> 00:22:26,810
recommends to look at expanding

634
00:22:27,947 --> 00:22:30,817
ADUs and, and this is important,

635
00:22:30,817 --> 00:22:31,684
uh, while ensuring that they do

636
00:22:31,684 --> 00:22:33,520
not negatively impact

637
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,550
surrounding neighborhoods. And

638
00:22:35,550 --> 00:22:37,324
like we talked about at our

639
00:22:37,324 --> 00:22:38,325
work sessions, this is, is

640
00:22:38,325 --> 00:22:40,725
really the critical element

641
00:22:40,961 --> 00:22:43,961
when it comes to creating

642
00:22:44,598 --> 00:22:46,967
standards for ADUs. Now the,

643
00:22:46,967 --> 00:22:47,868
the main characteristics of any

644
00:22:47,868 --> 00:22:50,868
amendment to allow detached Aid

645
00:22:51,271 --> 00:22:52,506
to use would really be physical

646
00:22:52,506 --> 00:22:53,773
standards for the structures

647
00:22:53,773 --> 00:22:55,676
themselves, and there are other

648
00:22:55,676 --> 00:22:56,610
elements as well, but these

649
00:22:56,610 --> 00:22:58,946
physical standards, these are

650
00:22:58,946 --> 00:23:01,882
really key to making this work,

651
00:23:01,882 --> 00:23:03,617
and to re reducing any kinds of

652
00:23:03,617 --> 00:23:05,451
negative externalities that the

653
00:23:05,451 --> 00:23:07,387
comprehensive plan mentions. Uh,

654
00:23:07,387 --> 00:23:10,390
like we had talked about in MAY,

655
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:11,792
the, the subtlety from a policy

656
00:23:11,792 --> 00:23:14,227
perspective is that this is a

657
00:23:14,227 --> 00:23:16,128
balancing act, so trying to

658
00:23:16,128 --> 00:23:17,164
juggle that flexibility,

659
00:23:17,164 --> 00:23:19,990
flexibility for property owners

660
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:20,266
juggling that with the

661
00:23:20,266 --> 00:23:22,402
neighborhood impact that that

662
00:23:22,402 --> 00:23:23,803
flexibility might bring. So

663
00:23:23,803 --> 00:23:25,672
most of the standards that you

664
00:23:25,672 --> 00:23:27,274
see here today are similar to

665
00:23:27,274 --> 00:23:27,507
those that we discussed in MAY,

666
00:23:27,507 --> 00:23:27,975
and I

667
00:23:27,975 --> 00:23:30,975
ll point out where they

668
00:23:32,780 --> 00:23:32,245
differ. The first of these that

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00:23:32,245 --> 00:23:34,245
we

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00:23:35,820 --> 00:23:38,820
ll talk about is setbacks,

671
00:23:38,351 --> 00:23:40,520
and in our single family zoning

672
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,550
districts, the required rear

673
00:23:42,550 --> 00:23:45,655
yard setback for most houses is

674
00:23:46,425 --> 00:23:47,461
25 ft. The required side yard

675
00:23:47,461 --> 00:23:48,395
varies by zoning district, it

676
00:23:48,395 --> 00:23:49,629
s

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00:23:49,629 --> 00:23:52,290
1012, or 15 ft, depending on

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00:23:52,398 --> 00:23:53,766
where it is. Now we had

679
00:23:53,766 --> 00:23:56,168
mentioned in our last work

680
00:23:56,168 --> 00:23:58,568
session that there are

681
00:23:58,572 --> 00:23:59,572
provisions in our zoning

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00:23:59,572 --> 00:24:00,641
ordinance for affordable

683
00:24:00,641 --> 00:24:02,943
dwelling units. This was added

684
00:24:02,943 --> 00:24:05,345
as part of the Affordable

685
00:24:05,345 --> 00:24:08,345
dwelling unit ordinance back in

686
00:24:08,715 --> 00:24:09,716
2020, and those affordable

687
00:24:09,716 --> 00:24:10,384
dwelling provisions include

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00:24:10,384 --> 00:24:12,784
slightly reduced setbacks from

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00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:13,954
what we call the general or

690
00:24:13,954 --> 00:24:16,354
standard setbacks and the

691
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:18,291
rationale is to provide some

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00:24:18,291 --> 00:24:19,759
extra flexibility, but provide

693
00:24:19,759 --> 00:24:20,227
that flexibility without over

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00:24:20,227 --> 00:24:21,995
overly impacting the

695
00:24:21,995 --> 00:24:23,995
surrounding ing neighborhood

696
00:24:26,667 --> 00:24:29,135
and As we talked about in MAY,

697
00:24:29,135 --> 00:24:30,904
these accessory dwelling unit

698
00:24:30,904 --> 00:24:32,904
amendments recommend setbacks

699
00:24:33,439 --> 00:24:34,908
really that correspond to those

700
00:24:34,908 --> 00:24:36,709
affordable dwelling provisions,

701
00:24:36,709 --> 00:24:39,713
and for the same reason, this

702
00:24:39,713 --> 00:24:41,481
is a way to balance that

703
00:24:41,481 --> 00:24:42,215
flexibility to give some

704
00:24:42,215 --> 00:24:44,215
preference to accessory

705
00:24:44,417 --> 00:24:46,753
dwelling units, but at the same

706
00:24:46,753 --> 00:24:49,289
time keeping the guardrails in

707
00:24:49,289 --> 00:24:49,790
place to reduce those negative

708
00:24:49,790 --> 00:24:51,790
effects on neighbors

709
00:24:51,858 --> 00:24:53,826
properties. So like it shows

710
00:24:53,826 --> 00:24:55,127
here, those recommended

711
00:24:55,127 --> 00:24:55,629
setbacks, and this is what

712
00:24:55,629 --> 00:24:57,629
s in

713
00:24:58,165 --> 00:24:59,432
the amendment before you, uh,

714
00:24:59,432 --> 00:25:00,533
the recommended setbacks are 20

715
00:25:00,533 --> 00:25:01,133
ft in the rear, so that

716
00:25:01,133 --> 00:25:03,133
s as

717
00:25:04,538 --> 00:25:06,974
opposed to 25 ft. And about a

718
00:25:06,974 --> 00:25:08,508
20% reduction or about a 2 to 3

719
00:25:08,508 --> 00:25:10,776
ft reduction on the side lock

720
00:25:10,776 --> 00:25:12,779
line, so 8 ft in most zoning

721
00:25:12,779 --> 00:25:15,779
districts, 12 ft in the rl

722
00:25:15,949 --> 00:25:17,383
district. And, uh, as we can

723
00:25:17,383 --> 00:25:20,253
see on the screen, uh, you

724
00:25:20,253 --> 00:25:22,723
could see what it means to adu

725
00:25:22,723 --> 00:25:24,657
placements in, in this kind of

726
00:25:24,657 --> 00:25:26,192
hypothetical scenario, an adu

727
00:25:26,192 --> 00:25:28,600
could go anywhere in the

728
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,310
unshaded areas so we can go

729
00:25:31,310 --> 00:25:33,933
here or here or here and so on.

730
00:25:33,933 --> 00:25:36,303
Uh, so like it says here that

731
00:25:36,303 --> 00:25:37,771
this looks to balance again

732
00:25:37,771 --> 00:25:39,538
that property owner flexibility,

733
00:25:39,538 --> 00:25:41,938
balance it with potential

734
00:25:42,174 --> 00:25:43,676
neighborhood impact. Now

735
00:25:43,676 --> 00:25:45,279
planning commission did have a

736
00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:47,800
recommendation at one of their

737
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:47,513
work sessions that

738
00:25:47,513 --> 00:25:49,513
s been

739
00:25:50,883 --> 00:25:51,817
incorporated into this proposed

740
00:25:51,817 --> 00:25:54,217
amendment that involves ADUs

741
00:25:54,321 --> 00:25:55,388
that might be located on the

742
00:25:55,388 --> 00:25:55,655
side of houses where there

743
00:25:55,655 --> 00:25:57,655
s

744
00:25:58,580 --> 00:25:59,993
enough space to do that. The

745
00:25:59,993 --> 00:26:02,393
commission was concerned about

746
00:26:02,396 --> 00:26:03,497
the aesthetic effects of having

747
00:26:03,497 --> 00:26:05,897
a detached accessory dwelling

748
00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:08,135
unit in a side yard and

749
00:26:08,135 --> 00:26:09,670
recommended standards to ensure

750
00:26:09,670 --> 00:26:11,872
that any side yard ADUs would

751
00:26:11,872 --> 00:26:14,700
be located near. The rear of

752
00:26:14,700 --> 00:26:15,942
the house and that, again, has

753
00:26:15,942 --> 00:26:18,942
been incorporated in into these

754
00:26:19,212 --> 00:26:20,714
Uh, recommended amendments. And

755
00:26:20,714 --> 00:26:24,170
now for setbacks in, in general,

756
00:26:24,170 --> 00:26:25,652
I think it helps to show how

757
00:26:25,652 --> 00:26:27,553
the proposed adu setbacks

758
00:26:27,553 --> 00:26:28,989
compare with setbacks for other

759
00:26:28,989 --> 00:26:31,989
structures. So this shows a

760
00:26:32,225 --> 00:26:34,995
sample lot. This is in the rh

761
00:26:34,995 --> 00:26:37,395
district, shows 3 examples of

762
00:26:37,431 --> 00:26:40,232
behind the house setbacks. On

763
00:26:40,232 --> 00:26:41,835
the left here, this is the

764
00:26:41,835 --> 00:26:43,636
setback for main dwellings

765
00:26:43,636 --> 00:26:43,737
themselves, so if this house

766
00:26:43,737 --> 00:26:45,172
s

767
00:26:45,172 --> 00:26:46,573
owners were to build an

768
00:26:46,573 --> 00:26:48,408
addition, or if the house

769
00:26:48,408 --> 00:26:50,776
itself were torn down and

770
00:26:50,776 --> 00:26:52,212
replaced, the house could not

771
00:26:52,212 --> 00:26:52,878
extend into that green shaded

772
00:26:52,878 --> 00:26:54,680
area, so that

773
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:54,881
s the setback,

774
00:26:54,881 --> 00:26:56,216
that

775
00:26:56,216 --> 00:26:59,216
s the required yard. Again,

776
00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:01,855
4 dwellings, 4 houses. In the

777
00:27:01,855 --> 00:27:03,490
middle here, these are the side

778
00:27:03,490 --> 00:27:04,992
and rear setbacks for accessory

779
00:27:04,992 --> 00:27:06,293
structures, so things like

780
00:27:06,293 --> 00:27:08,729
garages, and like it says at

781
00:27:08,729 --> 00:27:09,629
the bottom here, these are less

782
00:27:09,629 --> 00:27:11,565
inte intense uses than a

783
00:27:11,565 --> 00:27:12,566
dwelling, than a house, and the

784
00:27:12,566 --> 00:27:14,401
reason is because no one lives

785
00:27:14,401 --> 00:27:16,903
in a garage, no one lives in a

786
00:27:16,903 --> 00:27:18,270
gazebo, and, and so on. So

787
00:27:18,270 --> 00:27:20,239
these are permitted to be

788
00:27:20,239 --> 00:27:21,141
closer to the lot lines than

789
00:27:21,141 --> 00:27:23,541
the dwellings themselves, and,

790
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,113
and in this case, a minimum of

791
00:27:26,113 --> 00:27:29,449
5 ft from the rear lot line or

792
00:27:29,449 --> 00:27:31,285
the side lot line. Now, on the

793
00:27:31,285 --> 00:27:32,653
right here, this is what

794
00:27:32,653 --> 00:27:34,653
s in

795
00:27:34,655 --> 00:27:35,589
the proposed amendment for

796
00:27:35,589 --> 00:27:37,589
detached accessory dwelling

797
00:27:38,991 --> 00:27:39,593
units, and again, this mirrors

798
00:27:39,593 --> 00:27:40,861
the ordinance

799
00:27:40,861 --> 00:27:42,795
s existing

800
00:27:42,795 --> 00:27:44,230
standards for affordable

801
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:46,198
dwelling setbacks and this

802
00:27:46,198 --> 00:27:47,701
recognizes that an accessory

803
00:27:47,701 --> 00:27:49,970
dwelling units have similar

804
00:27:49,970 --> 00:27:51,905
levels of intensity as other

805
00:27:51,905 --> 00:27:53,507
dwellings, but it provides more

806
00:27:53,507 --> 00:27:54,608
flexibility, it provides

807
00:27:54,608 --> 00:27:56,209
flexibility by permitting these

808
00:27:56,209 --> 00:27:57,644
structures to be a little

809
00:27:57,644 --> 00:28:01,844
closer to the lot line than the

810
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:04,918
main house can can be. Just 1

811
00:28:04,918 --> 00:28:07,521
more slide on, on setbacks here

812
00:28:07,521 --> 00:28:09,556
at our fall work session, uh,

813
00:28:09,556 --> 00:28:11,191
city council mentioned that

814
00:28:11,191 --> 00:28:14,561
detached ADUs can be thought of

815
00:28:14,561 --> 00:28:16,430
as an alternative to building a

816
00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:17,931
very large houses, and that

817
00:28:17,931 --> 00:28:20,300
that alternative might be able

818
00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:21,802
to fit more appropriately into

819
00:28:21,802 --> 00:28:22,703
our neighborhoods, and that

820
00:28:22,703 --> 00:28:24,137
s a

821
00:28:24,137 --> 00:28:26,720
significant guiding principle

822
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,472
because these standards view

823
00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:30,210
ADUs as that kind of

824
00:28:30,210 --> 00:28:30,776
alternative, and importantly,

825
00:28:30,776 --> 00:28:33,176
the setback standard that

826
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,382
s In

827
00:28:35,382 --> 00:28:37,782
these amendments would avoid

828
00:28:38,284 --> 00:28:40,220
cases of property owners

829
00:28:40,220 --> 00:28:42,189
maximizing both house size and

830
00:28:42,189 --> 00:28:44,690
having an adu on, having a

831
00:28:44,690 --> 00:28:46,920
detached adu on the same lot.

832
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,280
Again, part of that balancing

833
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:49,996
act, this, this slide shows an

834
00:28:49,996 --> 00:28:52,465
example of that. These are 2

835
00:28:52,465 --> 00:28:53,833
houses side by side on

836
00:28:53,833 --> 00:28:56,235
identically sized lots, uh, the

837
00:28:56,235 --> 00:28:57,403
house on the left is a newer

838
00:28:57,403 --> 00:28:58,105
house. It doesn

839
00:28:58,105 --> 00:28:58,905
t completely

840
00:28:58,905 --> 00:28:59,939
maximize the buildable area,

841
00:28:59,939 --> 00:29:02,909
but you can see it comes

842
00:29:02,909 --> 00:29:05,145
somewhat close. Uh, the house

843
00:29:05,145 --> 00:29:06,113
on the right has a smaller

844
00:29:06,113 --> 00:29:07,447
overall footprint for the house

845
00:29:07,447 --> 00:29:11,385
itself, it has a more open lot.

846
00:29:11,385 --> 00:29:13,220
Mhm These amendment standards

847
00:29:13,220 --> 00:29:14,788
would enable that house on the

848
00:29:14,788 --> 00:29:16,156
right to build an adu. Now that

849
00:29:16,156 --> 00:29:17,557
house on the right could also

850
00:29:17,557 --> 00:29:19,425
build in addition, it could be

851
00:29:19,425 --> 00:29:20,861
replaced by another house and,

852
00:29:20,861 --> 00:29:22,929
and so on, uh, but as it is now,

853
00:29:22,929 --> 00:29:25,365
that house could build an adu

854
00:29:25,365 --> 00:29:28,200
in, in the yard for the house

855
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,700
on the left. These standards

856
00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:31,871
basically say that the square

857
00:29:31,871 --> 00:29:34,700
footage that could have been

858
00:29:34,700 --> 00:29:36,276
used for an adu has already

859
00:29:36,276 --> 00:29:38,611
been used for the house itself.

860
00:29:38,611 --> 00:29:41,515
So again, avoids the instance

861
00:29:41,515 --> 00:29:42,449
of having a maximum sized house

862
00:29:42,449 --> 00:29:46,649
with a detached adu on the same

863
00:29:50,190 --> 00:29:51,224
lot. Now the other significant

864
00:29:51,224 --> 00:29:53,930
physical standard is height,

865
00:29:53,930 --> 00:29:54,270
there is a good amount of

866
00:29:54,270 --> 00:29:56,427
discussion on height standards

867
00:29:56,463 --> 00:29:57,531
at the work sessions. The main

868
00:29:57,531 --> 00:29:59,931
issue being implications for

869
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,102
neighboring properties. These

870
00:30:02,102 --> 00:30:05,102
amendment standards set a limit

871
00:30:05,305 --> 00:30:07,708
of 20 ft. Or the measured

872
00:30:07,708 --> 00:30:10,276
height of the main house and

873
00:30:10,276 --> 00:30:13,276
whichever is less. Now 20 ft,

874
00:30:13,547 --> 00:30:15,582
this is roughly 1.5 stories.

875
00:30:15,582 --> 00:30:17,517
The intent here is to ensure

876
00:30:17,517 --> 00:30:17,817
the detached ADUs don

877
00:30:17,817 --> 00:30:19,319
t

878
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:19,419
overwhelm the lots that they

879
00:30:19,419 --> 00:30:19,652
re

880
00:30:19,652 --> 00:30:21,652
on don

881
00:30:21,655 --> 00:30:24,550
t overwhelm the main

882
00:30:24,124 --> 00:30:26,459
house or neighboring properties,

883
00:30:26,459 --> 00:30:28,494
uh, and 1.5 stories would still

884
00:30:28,494 --> 00:30:28,996
provide for design flexibility,

885
00:30:28,996 --> 00:30:29,262
uh, provides for the

886
00:30:29,262 --> 00:30:30,297
structure

887
00:30:30,297 --> 00:30:32,697
s placement on the

888
00:30:34,101 --> 00:30:36,503
lot and layout and, and so on.

889
00:30:36,503 --> 00:30:37,471
This gives kind of a quick

890
00:30:37,471 --> 00:30:37,638
visual representation of what

891
00:30:37,638 --> 00:30:39,373
we

892
00:30:39,373 --> 00:30:40,390
re talking about, so for a

893
00:30:40,390 --> 00:30:43,390
multi-storey house like the one

894
00:30:43,710 --> 00:30:45,178
on the left. A detached adu

895
00:30:45,178 --> 00:30:46,812
would have a maximum height of

896
00:30:46,812 --> 00:30:47,140
20 ft. So again, that

897
00:30:47,140 --> 00:30:49,140
s about

898
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,416
1.5 stories. For houses like

899
00:30:52,519 --> 00:30:53,854
the house on the right here,

900
00:30:53,854 --> 00:30:56,854
houses that are themselves less

901
00:30:57,758 --> 00:30:58,991
than 20 ft, the maximum adu

902
00:30:58,991 --> 00:30:59,293
height would be equivalent to

903
00:30:59,293 --> 00:31:01,293
the house

904
00:31:01,662 --> 00:31:03,529
s height, so again,

905
00:31:03,529 --> 00:31:05,899
uh, the recommendation in these

906
00:31:05,899 --> 00:31:07,834
amendments is that adu height

907
00:31:07,834 --> 00:31:10,200
MAY not exceed 20 ft. Or the

908
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,602
height of the house, and again,

909
00:31:14,273 --> 00:31:16,276
whichever is less. There are

910
00:31:16,276 --> 00:31:18,110
some other, uh, physical

911
00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:20,647
standards that are currently in

912
00:31:20,647 --> 00:31:21,181
place, these amendments, uh,

913
00:31:21,181 --> 00:31:21,614
recommend keeping those

914
00:31:21,614 --> 00:31:22,480
standards. I won

915
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,480
t spend too

916
00:31:24,384 --> 00:31:25,919
much time on these right now

917
00:31:25,919 --> 00:31:26,820
since we talked about these

918
00:31:26,820 --> 00:31:28,254
standards of previous meetings,

919
00:31:28,254 --> 00:31:30,724
but these standards are all

920
00:31:30,724 --> 00:31:32,526
proposed to remain the same as

921
00:31:32,526 --> 00:31:34,928
they are now, uh, you can see

922
00:31:34,928 --> 00:31:37,464
here there are standards for

923
00:31:37,464 --> 00:31:38,765
accessory structure, footprint,

924
00:31:38,765 --> 00:31:40,299
uh, also standards for adu

925
00:31:40,299 --> 00:31:42,135
square footage, and again these

926
00:31:42,135 --> 00:31:44,338
are recommended to be kept, uh,

927
00:31:44,338 --> 00:31:45,705
like it says at, at the bottom.

928
00:31:45,705 --> 00:31:47,606
Here are these standards really

929
00:31:47,606 --> 00:31:49,141
can work together to account

930
00:31:49,141 --> 00:31:50,810
for different sized lots,

931
00:31:50,810 --> 00:31:53,210
different house sizes, multiple

932
00:31:56,115 --> 00:31:58,170
stories, and so on. The zoning

933
00:31:58,170 --> 00:31:59,518
ordinance also has standards on

934
00:31:59,518 --> 00:32:01,954
lot and building coverage, so

935
00:32:01,954 --> 00:32:04,900
both for lots in general and

936
00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:05,826
also for lots with accessory

937
00:32:05,826 --> 00:32:06,692
structures, uh, so these

938
00:32:06,692 --> 00:32:09,692
likewise are proposed to remain

939
00:32:09,796 --> 00:32:11,230
the same. And you can tell

940
00:32:11,230 --> 00:32:13,634
these are all interrelated, and

941
00:32:13,634 --> 00:32:15,568
again, each of these addresses

942
00:32:15,568 --> 00:32:16,669
a specific issue. Uh, the

943
00:32:16,669 --> 00:32:18,669
amendments again propose

944
00:32:22,776 --> 00:32:24,444
keeping these standards intact.

945
00:32:24,444 --> 00:32:26,580
Moving on to parking, uh, as

946
00:32:26,580 --> 00:32:29,580
you MAY recall, our zoning

947
00:32:29,982 --> 00:32:31,585
ordinance right now does have a

948
00:32:31,585 --> 00:32:33,352
standard for adu parking, uh,

949
00:32:33,352 --> 00:32:35,322
but that standard is based on

950
00:32:35,322 --> 00:32:36,290
vehicles that are used by adu

951
00:32:36,290 --> 00:32:36,690
residents, it

952
00:32:36,690 --> 00:32:38,690
s just not

953
00:32:39,192 --> 00:32:40,559
effective, it

954
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:42,559
s not enforceable

955
00:32:42,663 --> 00:32:43,996
in our work sessions, uh, both

956
00:32:43,996 --> 00:32:45,799
planning commission and city

957
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:46,833
council were interested in

958
00:32:46,833 --> 00:32:49,233
exploring a different approach

959
00:32:50,671 --> 00:32:51,904
to adu parking. So the standard

960
00:32:51,904 --> 00:32:54,340
proposed here takes a different

961
00:32:54,340 --> 00:32:57,710
approach, so like it says here,

962
00:32:57,710 --> 00:33:00,146
uh, it says that a lot, a

963
00:33:00,146 --> 00:33:02,448
property with an adu must

964
00:33:02,448 --> 00:33:03,750
provide no less than the

965
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:05,818
minimum number of parking

966
00:33:05,818 --> 00:33:06,786
spaces, uh, that are specified

967
00:33:06,786 --> 00:33:08,870
in the off-street parking

968
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:11,870
section of the ordinance, which

969
00:33:12,259 --> 00:33:13,226
is Section 4.2. Uh, so that

970
00:33:13,226 --> 00:33:15,429
standard for detached houses

971
00:33:15,429 --> 00:33:18,640
and for duplex houses, uh, that

972
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,664
standard, like it says at the

973
00:33:22,435 --> 00:33:23,370
bottom here is a minimum of 2

974
00:33:23,370 --> 00:33:26,306
off-street parking spaces for a

975
00:33:26,306 --> 00:33:28,241
house, and that that means 2

976
00:33:28,241 --> 00:33:30,641
driveway spaces effectively, uh,

977
00:33:31,144 --> 00:33:33,446
so what that means is that if a

978
00:33:33,446 --> 00:33:35,915
house already has at least 2

979
00:33:35,915 --> 00:33:36,682
driveway spaces than that house

980
00:33:36,682 --> 00:33:39,385
would comply with this standard.

981
00:33:39,385 --> 00:33:39,953
Now some houses don

982
00:33:39,953 --> 00:33:41,855
t have a

983
00:33:41,855 --> 00:33:42,550
driveway or like in the house

984
00:33:42,550 --> 00:33:43,724
that

985
00:33:43,724 --> 00:33:46,920
s shown here, I have just

986
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,950
a small driveway that just fits

987
00:33:49,950 --> 00:33:50,997
1 car, so in those cases, uh,

988
00:33:50,997 --> 00:33:52,933
the house would need to be

989
00:33:52,933 --> 00:33:53,300
brought up to the city

990
00:33:53,300 --> 00:33:54,801
s

991
00:33:54,801 --> 00:33:57,201
regular parking standards in

992
00:34:00,273 --> 00:34:00,574
order to have an adu. So this

993
00:34:00,574 --> 00:34:01,807
house that

994
00:34:01,807 --> 00:34:04,244
s shown here, if, if

995
00:34:04,244 --> 00:34:06,612
the owners were to add an adu.

996
00:34:06,612 --> 00:34:08,547
They would need to enlarge the

997
00:34:08,547 --> 00:34:10,820
driveway so that it could fit

998
00:34:10,820 --> 00:34:11,150
another vehicle before getting,

999
00:34:11,150 --> 00:34:14,750
before the city would issue an

1000
00:34:14,855 --> 00:34:16,689
adu permit. The reason for this

1001
00:34:16,689 --> 00:34:18,625
standard is to not

1002
00:34:18,625 --> 00:34:20,160
automatically trigger a parking

1003
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,495
shortage with the addition of

1004
00:34:22,495 --> 00:34:24,640
an accessory dwelling unit, but

1005
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:25,832
still to guard against parking

1006
00:34:25,832 --> 00:34:26,867
shortfalls where they might be

1007
00:34:26,867 --> 00:34:29,267
more uh for particularly

1008
00:34:30,370 --> 00:34:31,672
problematic. Uh, now, planning

1009
00:34:31,672 --> 00:34:33,390
commission did express some

1010
00:34:33,390 --> 00:34:34,574
concern about parking at their

1011
00:34:34,574 --> 00:34:35,641
public hearing, the concern was

1012
00:34:35,641 --> 00:34:38,911
that this standard MAY not go

1013
00:34:38,911 --> 00:34:39,211
far enough. Our planning

1014
00:34:39,211 --> 00:34:40,113
commission

1015
00:34:40,113 --> 00:34:41,747
s hesitation seem to

1016
00:34:41,747 --> 00:34:43,951
be that some neighborhoods

1017
00:34:43,951 --> 00:34:46,951
already have not enough parking,

1018
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:48,622
and that adding the possibility

1019
00:34:48,622 --> 00:34:50,256
of more ADUs might make that

1020
00:34:50,256 --> 00:34:52,580
kind of situation worse. Uh,

1021
00:34:52,580 --> 00:34:53,626
now the, the flip side, and

1022
00:34:53,626 --> 00:34:54,995
this was discussed at the

1023
00:34:54,995 --> 00:34:56,129
planning commission meeting as,

1024
00:34:56,129 --> 00:34:56,897
as well, is that it

1025
00:34:56,897 --> 00:34:58,897
s tough to

1026
00:35:00,232 --> 00:35:02,668
make the case that an adu would

1027
00:35:02,668 --> 00:35:05,680
generate more parking demand

1028
00:35:05,710 --> 00:35:06,673
than an addition to a house. So,

1029
00:35:06,673 --> 00:35:07,975
for example, uh, right down the

1030
00:35:07,975 --> 00:35:09,943
road from City Hall, we have a

1031
00:35:09,943 --> 00:35:11,945
house that has 10 bedrooms, for

1032
00:35:11,945 --> 00:35:14,780
instance, uh, that kind of

1033
00:35:14,780 --> 00:35:16,783
addition can be built. Without

1034
00:35:16,783 --> 00:35:17,250
having any parking requirement,

1035
00:35:17,250 --> 00:35:18,619
uh, so it, it

1036
00:35:18,619 --> 00:35:19,653
s, uh, a

1037
00:35:19,653 --> 00:35:21,540
difficult leap to make to say

1038
00:35:21,540 --> 00:35:22,550
that that kind of thing can be

1039
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:24,423
built without a parking

1040
00:35:24,423 --> 00:35:26,692
requirement, but adding a. 500

1041
00:35:26,692 --> 00:35:27,493
sq ft cottage in the backyard

1042
00:35:27,493 --> 00:35:27,794
triggers parking requirement.

1043
00:35:27,794 --> 00:35:29,596
So there

1044
00:35:29,596 --> 00:35:33,196
s a lot going on with

1045
00:35:33,899 --> 00:35:34,968
the parking, uh Discussion, a

1046
00:35:34,968 --> 00:35:37,304
few planning commissioners felt

1047
00:35:37,304 --> 00:35:38,237
uneasy about this. Now, not

1048
00:35:38,237 --> 00:35:40,139
enough to suggest changes to

1049
00:35:40,139 --> 00:35:41,742
the amendments, but just a

1050
00:35:41,742 --> 00:35:42,109
feeling that there

1051
00:35:42,109 --> 00:35:43,542
s an

1052
00:35:43,542 --> 00:35:45,145
existing problem that might be

1053
00:35:45,145 --> 00:35:48,315
made worse, might be made more

1054
00:35:48,315 --> 00:35:48,915
problematic, I guess, by

1055
00:35:48,915 --> 00:35:50,915
allowing detached accessory

1056
00:35:53,530 --> 00:35:54,210
dwelling units. Uh, now, one

1057
00:35:54,210 --> 00:35:54,121
more topic here, and then we

1058
00:35:54,121 --> 00:35:55,989
ll

1059
00:35:55,989 --> 00:35:58,759
move on to some of the analysis

1060
00:35:58,759 --> 00:36:01,128
that city council had asked for.

1061
00:36:01,128 --> 00:36:04,498
We had talked before about how

1062
00:36:04,498 --> 00:36:05,932
to best deal with the potential

1063
00:36:05,932 --> 00:36:07,932
conversion of existing

1064
00:36:08,468 --> 00:36:09,302
structures to ADUs, and

1065
00:36:09,302 --> 00:36:11,302
specifically existing

1066
00:36:11,305 --> 00:36:13,139
structures that do not meet

1067
00:36:13,139 --> 00:36:14,107
whatever standards are in place

1068
00:36:14,107 --> 00:36:15,408
for ADUs themselves, meaning

1069
00:36:15,408 --> 00:36:18,408
that they would be considered

1070
00:36:18,612 --> 00:36:20,447
nonconforming. So under these

1071
00:36:20,447 --> 00:36:22,847
proposed amendments if a

1072
00:36:23,250 --> 00:36:25,117
property owner, uh, would wish

1073
00:36:25,117 --> 00:36:27,540
to convert an existing

1074
00:36:27,540 --> 00:36:28,120
nonconforming structure to an

1075
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,456
accessory dwelling unit that

1076
00:36:29,456 --> 00:36:30,456
property owner would go through

1077
00:36:30,456 --> 00:36:32,893
the board of zoning appeals,

1078
00:36:32,893 --> 00:36:34,261
and this is the same as we had

1079
00:36:34,261 --> 00:36:36,563
discussed in MAY. I, I bring it

1080
00:36:36,563 --> 00:36:36,796
up because one of, uh, the city

1081
00:36:36,796 --> 00:36:38,980
council

1082
00:36:38,980 --> 00:36:38,732
s request has to do

1083
00:36:38,732 --> 00:36:41,132
with city with accessory

1084
00:36:42,636 --> 00:36:44,104
structures. Bza is set up

1085
00:36:44,104 --> 00:36:45,671
really to handle exactly that,

1086
00:36:45,671 --> 00:36:47,390
this kind of situation, special

1087
00:36:47,390 --> 00:36:48,942
exceptions that can be dealt

1088
00:36:48,942 --> 00:36:50,544
with on a case by case basis,

1089
00:36:50,544 --> 00:36:52,378
and, and this is really the

1090
00:36:52,378 --> 00:36:55,147
default set up with our zoning

1091
00:36:55,147 --> 00:36:57,117
ordinance, and there are just

1092
00:36:57,117 --> 00:36:58,652
so many potential variations of

1093
00:36:58,652 --> 00:36:59,180
nonconformities like this, uh,

1094
00:36:59,180 --> 00:37:00,587
that it

1095
00:37:00,587 --> 00:37:01,388
s a issue that

1096
00:37:01,388 --> 00:37:02,822
s best

1097
00:37:02,822 --> 00:37:05,822
addressed outside of rigid type

1098
00:37:07,194 --> 00:37:08,695
of standards. So those are the

1099
00:37:08,695 --> 00:37:08,795
main standards for what

1100
00:37:08,795 --> 00:37:10,764
s

1101
00:37:10,764 --> 00:37:11,665
proposed here in the detached

1102
00:37:11,665 --> 00:37:13,133
adu amendment that you have

1103
00:37:13,133 --> 00:37:15,401
before you, the full amendment

1104
00:37:15,401 --> 00:37:16,936
text is in, in your packets.

1105
00:37:16,936 --> 00:37:18,270
Like I said, I went through

1106
00:37:18,270 --> 00:37:20,207
kind of quickly. I can always

1107
00:37:20,207 --> 00:37:22,942
go back and and explain some,

1108
00:37:22,942 --> 00:37:25,512
some more of this, but. As I

1109
00:37:25,512 --> 00:37:26,779
had mentioned, counsel

1110
00:37:26,779 --> 00:37:28,348
requested additional analysis

1111
00:37:28,348 --> 00:37:30,149
on certain topics and staff has

1112
00:37:30,149 --> 00:37:31,551
done that analysis, and the

1113
00:37:31,551 --> 00:37:34,551
next few slides will summarize

1114
00:37:35,955 --> 00:37:38,224
the results. City council, then

1115
00:37:38,224 --> 00:37:42,950
again, this is back in MAY, had

1116
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:43,696
asked a few questions regarding

1117
00:37:43,696 --> 00:37:45,931
potential impacts that detached

1118
00:37:45,931 --> 00:37:48,368
ADUs MAY have on real estate

1119
00:37:48,368 --> 00:37:48,535
assessments, so both on the

1120
00:37:48,535 --> 00:37:50,535
adu

1121
00:37:50,636 --> 00:37:52,973
s property itself and also

1122
00:37:52,973 --> 00:37:54,975
in general or citywide. Uh,

1123
00:37:54,975 --> 00:37:58,575
like it says up here under

1124
00:37:59,112 --> 00:38:02,810
direct impacts, When a detached

1125
00:38:02,810 --> 00:38:03,417
adu is built, that adu would be

1126
00:38:03,417 --> 00:38:04,518
assessed similar to other

1127
00:38:04,518 --> 00:38:05,485
structures or similar to other

1128
00:38:05,485 --> 00:38:08,322
additions, and what that means

1129
00:38:08,322 --> 00:38:08,821
is on a per square foot basis,

1130
00:38:08,821 --> 00:38:10,190
uh, so there

1131
00:38:10,190 --> 00:38:11,658
s no set amount

1132
00:38:11,658 --> 00:38:13,527
for valuation, it would vary,

1133
00:38:13,527 --> 00:38:15,329
like it says here would vary

1134
00:38:15,329 --> 00:38:19,529
based on the details of the adu

1135
00:38:21,434 --> 00:38:23,971
itself. Now counsel also asked

1136
00:38:23,971 --> 00:38:26,371
if a jurisdiction allows

1137
00:38:26,839 --> 00:38:28,675
detached ADUs. Would that

1138
00:38:28,675 --> 00:38:29,276
permissiveness result in

1139
00:38:29,276 --> 00:38:31,111
increased property values

1140
00:38:31,111 --> 00:38:33,947
citywide, so not just for the

1141
00:38:33,947 --> 00:38:35,849
properties that have ADUs but a

1142
00:38:35,849 --> 00:38:38,249
general increase in property

1143
00:38:38,752 --> 00:38:40,354
values, the concern here was

1144
00:38:40,354 --> 00:38:42,222
whether that by enabling

1145
00:38:42,222 --> 00:38:44,323
property owners to build these

1146
00:38:44,323 --> 00:38:45,425
kind of structures with

1147
00:38:45,425 --> 00:38:46,930
property values increase in

1148
00:38:46,930 --> 00:38:49,930
general and really since there

1149
00:38:49,495 --> 00:38:50,300
would be a new Option for

1150
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:52,300
essentially monetizing

1151
00:38:52,366 --> 00:38:53,433
properties to a greater extent

1152
00:38:53,433 --> 00:38:55,301
would that raise property

1153
00:38:55,301 --> 00:38:57,701
values, raise property taxes,

1154
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:00,340
and harm affordability. Our

1155
00:39:00,340 --> 00:39:02,476
real estate staff examined this

1156
00:39:02,476 --> 00:39:04,876
question, uh, determined that

1157
00:39:05,312 --> 00:39:07,712
across the board, property

1158
00:39:08,815 --> 00:39:10,150
value impacts due to a detached

1159
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:13,150
adu ordinance is not something

1160
00:39:13,820 --> 00:39:16,222
that we would expect. Now to

1161
00:39:16,222 --> 00:39:16,490
reach that determination, our

1162
00:39:16,490 --> 00:39:17,724
assessor

1163
00:39:17,724 --> 00:39:19,126
s office reviewed

1164
00:39:19,126 --> 00:39:20,359
existing studies on ADUs did

1165
00:39:20,359 --> 00:39:23,959
not find evidence of this kind

1166
00:39:23,997 --> 00:39:25,970
of effect. Uh, they also

1167
00:39:25,970 --> 00:39:27,497
conducted their own local

1168
00:39:27,867 --> 00:39:29,735
analysis, so based on Arlington

1169
00:39:29,735 --> 00:39:31,304
County, Arlington is the

1170
00:39:31,304 --> 00:39:31,405
jurisdiction around here that

1171
00:39:31,405 --> 00:39:32,380
s

1172
00:39:32,380 --> 00:39:35,380
had detached ADUs for the

1173
00:39:35,676 --> 00:39:38,511
longest. Uh, like it says here,

1174
00:39:38,511 --> 00:39:40,112
uh, our staff, again, the real

1175
00:39:40,112 --> 00:39:42,112
estate staff analyzed

1176
00:39:42,349 --> 00:39:44,251
neighborhoods in Arlington that

1177
00:39:44,251 --> 00:39:46,653
have had detached adu property

1178
00:39:46,653 --> 00:39:49,122
sales, so properties that have

1179
00:39:49,122 --> 00:39:50,991
detached ADUs and have sold,

1180
00:39:50,991 --> 00:39:52,991
analyze these neighborhoods

1181
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,861
over a 5-year period, and, uh,

1182
00:39:55,861 --> 00:39:58,165
the finding was that the

1183
00:39:58,165 --> 00:39:59,232
general property appreciation

1184
00:39:59,232 --> 00:40:01,632
in those neighborhoods tracked

1185
00:40:01,801 --> 00:40:02,302
extremely close to the

1186
00:40:02,302 --> 00:40:04,137
countywide average for

1187
00:40:04,137 --> 00:40:04,771
appreciation and counting. Wide

1188
00:40:04,771 --> 00:40:04,972
is Arlington County because

1189
00:40:04,972 --> 00:40:05,739
that

1190
00:40:05,739 --> 00:40:08,141
s what, what this is

1191
00:40:08,141 --> 00:40:11,141
looking at, so by extremely

1192
00:40:11,478 --> 00:40:13,780
close, uh, I, I mean within 11

1193
00:40:13,780 --> 00:40:15,448
of 1% of the countywide average.

1194
00:40:15,448 --> 00:40:17,848
So the, these neighborhoods

1195
00:40:18,151 --> 00:40:18,685
actually went down by 0.11%,

1196
00:40:18,685 --> 00:40:19,653
but really, that

1197
00:40:19,653 --> 00:40:20,621
s so close to

1198
00:40:20,621 --> 00:40:22,890
the baseline that we would

1199
00:40:22,890 --> 00:40:25,659
consider it, uh, like it says

1200
00:40:25,659 --> 00:40:27,460
down here, just not indicative

1201
00:40:27,460 --> 00:40:30,797
of adu influence. Uh, just to

1202
00:40:30,797 --> 00:40:32,165
put it in a dollar amount that

1203
00:40:32,165 --> 00:40:34,100
0.11%, uh, which we would

1204
00:40:34,100 --> 00:40:37,137
consider really a plus or minus

1205
00:40:37,137 --> 00:40:40,137
is about $10 in property, uh,

1206
00:40:43,810 --> 00:40:46,210
tax payments. Another request

1207
00:40:46,545 --> 00:40:47,980
from city council was to see

1208
00:40:47,980 --> 00:40:50,380
for other Northern Virginia

1209
00:40:50,417 --> 00:40:52,417
jurisdictions, or jurisdictions

1210
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,420
that have already approved

1211
00:40:54,420 --> 00:40:56,289
detached adu ordinances, uh,

1212
00:40:56,289 --> 00:40:57,524
how many of these units have

1213
00:40:57,524 --> 00:40:59,924
actually been approved within

1214
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,128
those jurisdictions. The most

1215
00:41:02,128 --> 00:41:03,429
instructive localities around

1216
00:41:03,429 --> 00:41:05,829
here are Arlington and

1217
00:41:05,832 --> 00:41:07,466
Alexandria, uh, both of those

1218
00:41:07,466 --> 00:41:09,866
have had permitted detached

1219
00:41:10,269 --> 00:41:11,805
ADUs now for 5 or 7 years. Uh,

1220
00:41:11,805 --> 00:41:15,800
you see the numbers up here,

1221
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:15,574
this is the number of permits

1222
00:41:15,574 --> 00:41:17,477
issued, what

1223
00:41:17,477 --> 00:41:19,446
s perhaps most

1224
00:41:19,446 --> 00:41:20,279
instructive here is the uh

1225
00:41:20,279 --> 00:41:21,848
average annual number of

1226
00:41:21,848 --> 00:41:23,216
permits issued, and you see

1227
00:41:23,216 --> 00:41:23,984
that here it

1228
00:41:23,984 --> 00:41:25,984
s 11 in Arlington

1229
00:41:26,553 --> 00:41:30,153
County, and this goes back a

1230
00:41:31,391 --> 00:41:32,359
5-year period of 2021 to 202025,

1231
00:41:32,359 --> 00:41:34,759
uh, 14 annual average in

1232
00:41:35,595 --> 00:41:39,195
Alexandria. And uh you see it

1233
00:41:39,398 --> 00:41:40,933
at the bottom, how that

1234
00:41:40,933 --> 00:41:42,835
translates into annual permits

1235
00:41:42,835 --> 00:41:42,936
per 1000 homes, so that

1236
00:41:42,936 --> 00:41:43,936
s

1237
00:41:43,936 --> 00:41:45,438
helpful because it accounts for

1238
00:41:45,438 --> 00:41:48,438
the difference in, in size

1239
00:41:48,976 --> 00:41:50,877
between the jurisdictions. Oh.

1240
00:41:50,877 --> 00:41:52,913
Our counsel also asked for

1241
00:41:52,913 --> 00:41:55,913
information on Falls Church in

1242
00:41:56,183 --> 00:41:58,583
Fairfax County, uh, Fairfax

1243
00:41:58,719 --> 00:41:59,620
County allows detached ADUs, uh,

1244
00:41:59,620 --> 00:42:02,890
right now on properties that

1245
00:42:02,890 --> 00:42:03,957
are larger than 2 acres, the

1246
00:42:03,957 --> 00:42:06,357
county has issued 10 permits

1247
00:42:06,727 --> 00:42:10,327
for these types of ADUs since

1248
00:42:11,980 --> 00:42:12,532
2021. Falls Church is the most

1249
00:42:12,532 --> 00:42:13,800
recent jurisdiction locally to

1250
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,800
allow detached ADUs, they have

1251
00:42:18,905 --> 00:42:20,407
issued 1 permit. So far, uh.

1252
00:42:20,407 --> 00:42:23,342
Now that that number per 1000

1253
00:42:23,342 --> 00:42:25,811
houses. If you take these 2

1254
00:42:25,811 --> 00:42:27,714
numbers that are on the screen

1255
00:42:27,714 --> 00:42:30,500
for Arlington and Alexandria,

1256
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:31,584
if you combine those two with

1257
00:42:31,584 --> 00:42:33,887
Fairfax County, uh, so again, 2

1258
00:42:33,887 --> 00:42:35,388
plus acres, but Fairfax County

1259
00:42:35,388 --> 00:42:35,921
has 7000 homes over 2 plus

1260
00:42:35,921 --> 00:42:37,291
acres, so that

1261
00:42:37,291 --> 00:42:39,691
s a pretty big

1262
00:42:40,294 --> 00:42:43,162
data set. I if you take the, uh,

1263
00:42:43,162 --> 00:42:45,197
houses, the ADUs per 1000

1264
00:42:45,197 --> 00:42:47,401
houses, apply that to the city

1265
00:42:47,401 --> 00:42:49,770
of Fairfax, uh, you know, I, I

1266
00:42:49,770 --> 00:42:50,837
hate to make direct comparisons

1267
00:42:50,837 --> 00:42:51,905
because each jurisdiction is

1268
00:42:51,905 --> 00:42:54,905
different, uh, but that would.

1269
00:42:56,709 --> 00:42:58,312
Get us in the area of about 50

1270
00:42:58,312 --> 00:42:59,313
detached ADUs over a decade. Uh,

1271
00:42:59,313 --> 00:43:00,279
now I, I, I said I

1272
00:43:00,279 --> 00:43:00,981
m a little

1273
00:43:00,981 --> 00:43:02,516
bit uncomfortable saying that,

1274
00:43:02,516 --> 00:43:02,649
but of course, I just said it.

1275
00:43:02,649 --> 00:43:02,816
I

1276
00:43:02,816 --> 00:43:04,418
d, I

1277
00:43:04,418 --> 00:43:04,952
d give it a, a bigger

1278
00:43:04,952 --> 00:43:06,952
window, I

1279
00:43:07,420 --> 00:43:08,721
d say a few dozen, uh,

1280
00:43:08,721 --> 00:43:10,724
over a decade, uh, make, make

1281
00:43:10,724 --> 00:43:12,559
that a, a pretty big plus or

1282
00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:14,494
minus, but, uh, hopefully that

1283
00:43:14,494 --> 00:43:17,640
gives some kind of indication

1284
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:18,498
of the prevalence of detached

1285
00:43:18,498 --> 00:43:20,167
ADUs locally in Northern

1286
00:43:20,167 --> 00:43:20,599
Virginia, uh, in, in places

1287
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:22,599
where, where they

1288
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:27,107
re allowed.

1289
00:43:27,107 --> 00:43:29,943
And another question, uh, like

1290
00:43:29,943 --> 00:43:30,877
I had mentioned before,

1291
00:43:30,877 --> 00:43:31,845
involved existing structures,

1292
00:43:31,845 --> 00:43:33,814
uh, council wanted to know just

1293
00:43:33,814 --> 00:43:35,215
as a frame of reference, uh,

1294
00:43:35,215 --> 00:43:37,149
how many of these kinds of

1295
00:43:37,149 --> 00:43:39,118
structures are in the city

1296
00:43:39,118 --> 00:43:41,887
right now. So for this, we, we

1297
00:43:41,887 --> 00:43:43,790
looked at property records, we

1298
00:43:43,790 --> 00:43:44,458
looked at all existing

1299
00:43:44,458 --> 00:43:46,693
residential structures so of

1300
00:43:46,693 --> 00:43:49,693
all types, not just garages,

1301
00:43:50,970 --> 00:43:52,432
but any res any structure that,

1302
00:43:52,432 --> 00:43:53,667
uh, but with a minimum of 350

1303
00:43:53,667 --> 00:43:55,135
square feet in size, which are

1304
00:43:55,135 --> 00:43:58,735
more likely to be converted to.

1305
00:43:59,706 --> 00:43:59,806
ADUs. Uh, in total, there

1306
00:43:59,806 --> 00:44:01,107
s

1307
00:44:01,107 --> 00:44:03,477
slightly under 400 of such

1308
00:44:03,477 --> 00:44:05,440
structures in the city right

1309
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:06,379
now on residential lots, about

1310
00:44:06,379 --> 00:44:10,500
a quarter of those, or like it

1311
00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:12,785
says up here, 104. Are within

1312
00:44:12,785 --> 00:44:14,221
what we would call the

1313
00:44:14,221 --> 00:44:15,655
buildable setback area for

1314
00:44:15,655 --> 00:44:17,724
detached ADUs, so if you think

1315
00:44:17,724 --> 00:44:19,558
back to the previous slide with

1316
00:44:19,558 --> 00:44:22,796
the green area that would be,

1317
00:44:22,796 --> 00:44:25,980
uh, outside of the green area.

1318
00:44:25,980 --> 00:44:26,533
So 104 are within that

1319
00:44:26,533 --> 00:44:28,680
buildable setback area. The

1320
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,102
remainder are, like it says

1321
00:44:30,102 --> 00:44:31,837
here, outside of that buildable

1322
00:44:31,837 --> 00:44:33,907
area, uh, so that gives some

1323
00:44:33,907 --> 00:44:36,209
kind of an idea of the number

1324
00:44:36,209 --> 00:44:37,677
of these structures in the city,

1325
00:44:37,677 --> 00:44:38,440
it is very important, though,

1326
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:38,377
the point that

1327
00:44:38,377 --> 00:44:39,746
s at, at the

1328
00:44:39,746 --> 00:44:41,448
bottom, we can examine the

1329
00:44:41,448 --> 00:44:43,490
number, we can examine the size

1330
00:44:43,490 --> 00:44:44,418
and the placement of these

1331
00:44:44,418 --> 00:44:46,787
structures, but like it says at

1332
00:44:46,787 --> 00:44:48,721
the bottom here, not all of

1333
00:44:48,721 --> 00:44:49,923
these are really convertible to

1334
00:44:49,923 --> 00:44:52,759
some place where people would,

1335
00:44:52,759 --> 00:44:54,194
would want to live, so he

1336
00:44:54,194 --> 00:44:55,696
Either from the standpoint of

1337
00:44:55,696 --> 00:44:57,997
the type of construction, the

1338
00:44:57,997 --> 00:44:58,732
foundation, uh, the cost of

1339
00:44:58,732 --> 00:45:00,901
modifying the structure and,

1340
00:45:00,901 --> 00:45:03,269
and so on, so, uh, just an

1341
00:45:03,269 --> 00:45:03,470
important thing to keep in mind,

1342
00:45:03,470 --> 00:45:03,804
that

1343
00:45:03,804 --> 00:45:03,904
s something that

1344
00:45:03,904 --> 00:45:04,737
s

1345
00:45:04,737 --> 00:45:06,340
non-quantifiable, uh, but we,

1346
00:45:06,340 --> 00:45:07,206
we gave you here the, uh,

1347
00:45:07,206 --> 00:45:08,775
information that can be

1348
00:45:08,775 --> 00:45:11,775
quantified on the number of

1349
00:45:13,814 --> 00:45:15,782
existing structures. And now

1350
00:45:15,782 --> 00:45:17,160
finally, there were some

1351
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,850
questions about the permitting

1352
00:45:19,850 --> 00:45:21,154
process and, uh, specifically

1353
00:45:21,154 --> 00:45:22,556
whether the city, uh, the main

1354
00:45:22,556 --> 00:45:22,656
question that came up in MAY

1355
00:45:22,656 --> 00:45:24,656
s

1356
00:45:25,358 --> 00:45:28,260
meeting was whether the city

1357
00:45:28,260 --> 00:45:30,329
would verify that properties

1358
00:45:30,329 --> 00:45:32,990
containing detached ADUs are in

1359
00:45:32,990 --> 00:45:32,432
fact owner-occupied, it is

1360
00:45:32,432 --> 00:45:33,533
required, it

1361
00:45:33,533 --> 00:45:35,469
s required in the

1362
00:45:35,469 --> 00:45:35,936
zoning standards, its current

1363
00:45:35,936 --> 00:45:36,360
requirement that we

1364
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,360
re

1365
00:45:39,306 --> 00:45:40,339
recommending to keep in place,

1366
00:45:40,339 --> 00:45:41,408
uh, that the property owner

1367
00:45:41,408 --> 00:45:44,711
live in either the main house

1368
00:45:44,711 --> 00:45:46,780
or the Accessory dwelling unit.

1369
00:45:46,780 --> 00:45:49,548
Uh, now, first of all, city

1370
00:45:49,548 --> 00:45:51,451
staff will update the permit

1371
00:45:51,451 --> 00:45:53,819
procedures if detached ad ADUs

1372
00:45:53,819 --> 00:45:56,256
are allowed by city council, so

1373
00:45:56,256 --> 00:45:59,626
this will be updated, uh, and

1374
00:45:59,626 --> 00:46:02,280
one area where detached ADUs

1375
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:03,930
would differ from attached ADUs

1376
00:46:03,930 --> 00:46:05,931
is that they would be subject

1377
00:46:05,931 --> 00:46:06,332
to the city

1378
00:46:06,332 --> 00:46:07,801
s rental occupancy

1379
00:46:07,801 --> 00:46:08,934
permit program. So this is a

1380
00:46:08,934 --> 00:46:09,436
program, uh, it

1381
00:46:09,436 --> 00:46:11,436
s an existing

1382
00:46:11,672 --> 00:46:12,839
program in the city where

1383
00:46:12,839 --> 00:46:15,239
rental houses are registered

1384
00:46:16,676 --> 00:46:19,760
and are periodically inspected.

1385
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:21,480
Uh, because detached ADUs are

1386
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,448
separate structures, they would

1387
00:46:24,885 --> 00:46:27,254
be made part of this program,

1388
00:46:27,254 --> 00:46:28,187
and those periodic inspections

1389
00:46:28,187 --> 00:46:30,156
would include a verification

1390
00:46:30,156 --> 00:46:32,250
that the property is

1391
00:46:32,250 --> 00:46:34,895
owner-occupied. Uh, so thi this

1392
00:46:34,895 --> 00:46:37,640
is, is not a verification that

1393
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:37,965
would happen on a an annual

1394
00:46:37,965 --> 00:46:38,732
basis, uh, it

1395
00:46:38,732 --> 00:46:40,732
s a verification

1396
00:46:40,734 --> 00:46:43,536
that would happen when the

1397
00:46:43,536 --> 00:46:46,536
property is inspected, uh, but

1398
00:46:46,740 --> 00:46:48,342
that is one, additional level

1399
00:46:48,342 --> 00:46:50,677
of check that would not

1400
00:46:50,677 --> 00:46:52,145
ordinarily be there. Uh, and

1401
00:46:52,145 --> 00:46:54,681
aside from that city staff

1402
00:46:54,681 --> 00:46:56,450
would still be able to respond

1403
00:46:56,450 --> 00:46:58,510
to complaints about potential

1404
00:46:58,510 --> 00:47:00,354
zoning violations and that

1405
00:47:00,354 --> 00:47:01,188
includes uh occupancy,

1406
00:47:01,188 --> 00:47:02,589
potential occupancy violations

1407
00:47:02,589 --> 00:47:06,189
as well, uh, as is currently

1408
00:47:08,628 --> 00:47:08,829
the case. So that concludes

1409
00:47:08,829 --> 00:47:09,228
staff

1410
00:47:09,228 --> 00:47:11,228
s presentation for

1411
00:47:11,397 --> 00:47:13,266
tonight. I had mentioned that

1412
00:47:13,266 --> 00:47:14,700
the planning commission held a

1413
00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:16,302
public hearing on these

1414
00:47:16,302 --> 00:47:17,637
amendments in JUNE, the

1415
00:47:17,637 --> 00:47:18,372
commission recommended approval.

1416
00:47:18,372 --> 00:47:20,772
It was a unanimous

1417
00:47:20,941 --> 00:47:22,900
recommendation. The planning

1418
00:47:22,900 --> 00:47:23,376
commission did express some

1419
00:47:23,376 --> 00:47:25,778
concerns about parking, like I

1420
00:47:25,778 --> 00:47:27,347
had mentioned, planning

1421
00:47:27,347 --> 00:47:28,615
commission also expressed some

1422
00:47:28,615 --> 00:47:31,150
concerns about overcrowding and

1423
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:33,720
occupancy enforcement. Uh, so

1424
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:35,720
regarding overcrowding and

1425
00:47:36,555 --> 00:47:38,250
occupancies, some, some of that

1426
00:47:38,250 --> 00:47:40,270
discussion pertained to whether,

1427
00:47:40,270 --> 00:47:42,328
uh, you know, really similar to

1428
00:47:42,328 --> 00:47:44,731
the parking issue, uh, whether

1429
00:47:44,731 --> 00:47:47,601
the option of having detached

1430
00:47:47,601 --> 00:47:49,303
accessory dwelling units would

1431
00:47:49,303 --> 00:47:51,303
make existing overcrowding

1432
00:47:51,537 --> 00:47:51,737
issues worse, and whether the

1433
00:47:51,737 --> 00:47:52,905
city

1434
00:47:52,905 --> 00:47:54,905
s enforcement mechanisms

1435
00:47:55,309 --> 00:47:58,309
for all rentals were sufficient

1436
00:47:58,445 --> 00:48:00,446
to be on guard for overcrowding,

1437
00:48:00,446 --> 00:48:01,748
uh, types of situations. Some

1438
00:48:01,748 --> 00:48:04,148
of the discussion really

1439
00:48:04,318 --> 00:48:06,319
drifted into a more general

1440
00:48:06,319 --> 00:48:08,880
overcrowding and inspection

1441
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:09,489
type of discussion, uh,

1442
00:48:09,489 --> 00:48:09,923
planning commissioners did

1443
00:48:09,923 --> 00:48:10,423
realize that that

1444
00:48:10,423 --> 00:48:12,359
s somewhat

1445
00:48:12,359 --> 00:48:12,559
outside of the boundary of

1446
00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:13,590
what

1447
00:48:13,590 --> 00:48:15,459
s being discussed here,

1448
00:48:15,896 --> 00:48:19,496
you know, with a specific focus

1449
00:48:19,833 --> 00:48:21,340
on detached ADUs. So outside of

1450
00:48:21,340 --> 00:48:22,135
the, the boundary of these

1451
00:48:22,135 --> 00:48:23,670
amendments, but it was

1452
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:24,370
identified as a concern by

1453
00:48:24,370 --> 00:48:26,500
several planning commissioners,

1454
00:48:26,500 --> 00:48:28,408
and there was a bit of a

1455
00:48:28,408 --> 00:48:29,875
discussion on this topic at the

1456
00:48:29,875 --> 00:48:30,910
public hearing, so, uh, with

1457
00:48:30,910 --> 00:48:32,411
that, we

1458
00:48:32,411 --> 00:48:33,790
d be glad to answer

1459
00:48:33,790 --> 00:48:36,449
any questions that you all MAY

1460
00:48:36,449 --> 00:48:37,417
have. Thank you so much for the

1461
00:48:37,417 --> 00:48:39,417
presentation, uh, Council

1462
00:48:40,486 --> 00:48:42,856
member McQuillan. Thank you,

1463
00:48:42,856 --> 00:48:44,323
thank you so much. That

1464
00:48:44,323 --> 00:48:46,723
presentation was fantastic. Um,

1465
00:48:48,362 --> 00:48:50,564
I am looking at slide 5, about

1466
00:48:50,564 --> 00:48:52,499
the setbacks. Can you explain

1467
00:48:52,499 --> 00:48:55,499
why 8 ft versus 10 ft was

1468
00:48:55,601 --> 00:48:57,937
chosen for the ADUs. Uh, so we,

1469
00:48:57,937 --> 00:49:02,137
we did want to align it with

1470
00:49:02,643 --> 00:49:04,770
the Uh, existing affordable

1471
00:49:04,770 --> 00:49:05,746
dwelling unit setbacks, uh, you

1472
00:49:05,746 --> 00:49:07,214
know, the affordable dwelling

1473
00:49:07,214 --> 00:49:09,148
unit setbacks were put in place

1474
00:49:09,148 --> 00:49:11,510
again to give a little bit more

1475
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:12,551
flexibility to something that

1476
00:49:12,551 --> 00:49:14,421
was considered desirable, but

1477
00:49:14,421 --> 00:49:16,821
to still maintain neighborhood

1478
00:49:16,990 --> 00:49:18,257
character and maintain a decent

1479
00:49:18,257 --> 00:49:20,260
amount of separation between 1

1480
00:49:20,260 --> 00:49:22,629
property and, and the other, uh,

1481
00:49:22,629 --> 00:49:24,231
8 8 8 ft was considered to be

1482
00:49:24,231 --> 00:49:25,465
appropriate for the affordable

1483
00:49:25,465 --> 00:49:26,499
dwelling unit ordinance it

1484
00:49:26,499 --> 00:49:27,466
achieves the same type of goal

1485
00:49:27,466 --> 00:49:28,100
that we

1486
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:31,100
re looking at with, uh,

1487
00:49:31,438 --> 00:49:34,341
accessory. Ok, so the, for the

1488
00:49:34,341 --> 00:49:34,875
flexibility, just the extra

1489
00:49:34,875 --> 00:49:36,209
flexibility additional

1490
00:49:36,209 --> 00:49:37,711
flexibility while keeping those

1491
00:49:37,711 --> 00:49:38,478
kind of guardrails, not letting

1492
00:49:38,478 --> 00:49:40,878
these dwellings and the

1493
00:49:42,783 --> 00:49:43,750
dwellings have a higher. Bit of

1494
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:44,885
intensity than other structures,

1495
00:49:44,885 --> 00:49:45,584
not letting those dwellings

1496
00:49:45,584 --> 00:49:47,220
being too close to the property

1497
00:49:47,220 --> 00:49:49,560
line. Thank you, I was just

1498
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:49,155
curious as to why they didn

1499
00:49:49,155 --> 00:49:50,390
t

1500
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:51,825
choose the 10 ft like they do

1501
00:49:51,825 --> 00:49:54,760
with the, um, but it sounds

1502
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,130
like they need more flexibility,

1503
00:49:57,130 --> 00:49:57,763
um, is there considerate, was

1504
00:49:57,763 --> 00:49:59,763
there consideration regarding

1505
00:50:02,502 --> 00:50:02,668
topography? Of the Lock and we

1506
00:50:02,668 --> 00:50:03,402
we

1507
00:50:03,402 --> 00:50:03,637
re discussing the height,

1508
00:50:03,637 --> 00:50:04,371
and I

1509
00:50:04,371 --> 00:50:05,439
m thinking about the

1510
00:50:05,439 --> 00:50:05,839
height and how you mentioned

1511
00:50:05,839 --> 00:50:07,839
you didn

1512
00:50:08,140 --> 00:50:09,476
t want it looking over

1513
00:50:09,476 --> 00:50:10,810
or looming onto the permanent

1514
00:50:10,810 --> 00:50:11,143
dwelling, um, that

1515
00:50:11,143 --> 00:50:13,143
s there

1516
00:50:13,446 --> 00:50:14,914
already, so was that already

1517
00:50:14,914 --> 00:50:15,182
taken in as far as height, yes,

1518
00:50:15,182 --> 00:50:17,182
and that

1519
00:50:18,251 --> 00:50:20,687
s part of the reason

1520
00:50:20,687 --> 00:50:22,890
why the recommendation was 20

1521
00:50:22,890 --> 00:50:23,690
ft was basically 1.5 stories

1522
00:50:23,690 --> 00:50:25,559
instead of 2 stories, uh,

1523
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:26,727
because if it is built on a

1524
00:50:26,727 --> 00:50:29,127
hill that 1.5 stories would

1525
00:50:29,428 --> 00:50:32,428
look more. Would look bigger

1526
00:50:33,166 --> 00:50:33,566
than 1.5 stories. Uh we didn

1527
00:50:33,566 --> 00:50:35,566
t

1528
00:50:36,569 --> 00:50:37,436
want anything too large.

1529
00:50:37,436 --> 00:50:38,471
2-story accessory dwelling

1530
00:50:38,471 --> 00:50:40,407
built in that situation on a

1531
00:50:40,407 --> 00:50:42,442
hill, uh, would, would just be

1532
00:50:42,442 --> 00:50:44,244
too looming, so 1.5 felt that

1533
00:50:44,244 --> 00:50:45,611
was perfect. Ok, good. So you

1534
00:50:45,611 --> 00:50:47,547
did consider that as far as far

1535
00:50:47,547 --> 00:50:50,450
as that kind of topography, yes,

1536
00:50:50,450 --> 00:50:50,716
the kind of topography that we

1537
00:50:50,716 --> 00:50:51,918
just can

1538
00:50:51,918 --> 00:50:55,518
t consider is if if a

1539
00:50:55,522 --> 00:50:57,224
certain uh Portion of a yard is

1540
00:50:57,224 --> 00:50:58,659
sloping to the point where it

1541
00:50:58,659 --> 00:51:00,593
makes construction difficult.

1542
00:51:00,593 --> 00:51:01,127
On a map like this, it might

1543
00:51:01,127 --> 00:51:01,427
seem like there

1544
00:51:01,427 --> 00:51:03,427
s plenty of

1545
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:05,431
room to build an adu, but there

1546
00:51:05,431 --> 00:51:06,799
MAY not be. Same kind of thing

1547
00:51:06,799 --> 00:51:07,968
with trees in in in the way and

1548
00:51:07,968 --> 00:51:08,735
that there are cer certain

1549
00:51:08,735 --> 00:51:08,902
types of things that we just

1550
00:51:08,902 --> 00:51:10,902
can

1551
00:51:12,906 --> 00:51:14,608
t. Account for typography

1552
00:51:14,608 --> 00:51:17,760
and trees are 2 of those. Thank

1553
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:17,811
you. I just want to make sure

1554
00:51:17,811 --> 00:51:18,978
that that was considered

1555
00:51:18,978 --> 00:51:20,746
exactly what you said with, you

1556
00:51:20,746 --> 00:51:24,318
know, if the lot was increasing

1557
00:51:24,318 --> 00:51:26,219
in height. In the back, um, is

1558
00:51:26,219 --> 00:51:28,255
there a financial cost for the

1559
00:51:28,255 --> 00:51:29,823
applicant to convert the

1560
00:51:29,823 --> 00:51:32,823
existing structure to an adu

1561
00:51:33,994 --> 00:51:36,994
conversion. There, there is a

1562
00:51:37,864 --> 00:51:40,864
zoning permit cost which i

1563
00:51:42,169 --> 00:51:44,710
believe is $70 or or so. Uh,

1564
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:46,138
now the, any, you know, there

1565
00:51:46,138 --> 00:51:48,475
are, depending on what is

1566
00:51:48,475 --> 00:51:49,508
required, there would be

1567
00:51:49,508 --> 00:51:50,377
inspections from Code

1568
00:51:50,377 --> 00:51:52,245
Administration as well. Uh,

1569
00:51:52,245 --> 00:51:53,814
these things would really pale

1570
00:51:53,814 --> 00:51:55,147
in comparison to the actual

1571
00:51:55,147 --> 00:51:56,583
cost of construction or the

1572
00:51:56,583 --> 00:51:57,283
cost of providing utilities and,

1573
00:51:57,283 --> 00:51:58,618
and whatnot. They

1574
00:51:58,618 --> 00:52:00,618
re, there, it

1575
00:52:00,620 --> 00:52:01,420
is a minimal city cost uh to to

1576
00:52:01,420 --> 00:52:01,921
some of this, but it

1577
00:52:01,921 --> 00:52:02,220
s, it

1578
00:52:02,220 --> 00:52:03,289
s

1579
00:52:03,289 --> 00:52:04,824
very small in the overall

1580
00:52:04,824 --> 00:52:07,627
picture. Ok, good to know, and

1581
00:52:07,627 --> 00:52:09,462
then, um, of the, the local

1582
00:52:09,462 --> 00:52:13,620
cities that you use to, um,

1583
00:52:13,633 --> 00:52:15,268
make a comparison. Um, which

1584
00:52:15,268 --> 00:52:16,536
one most closely aligns with

1585
00:52:16,536 --> 00:52:16,937
the ordinance that we

1586
00:52:16,937 --> 00:52:17,603
re

1587
00:52:17,603 --> 00:52:19,373
currently being presented this

1588
00:52:19,373 --> 00:52:21,308
evening. I, I would say

1589
00:52:21,308 --> 00:52:23,708
Arlington and Falls Church

1590
00:52:23,776 --> 00:52:24,745
would most closely align at

1591
00:52:24,745 --> 00:52:26,780
Alexandria is much more

1592
00:52:26,780 --> 00:52:27,981
permissive in terms of setbacks,

1593
00:52:27,981 --> 00:52:29,516
and I think that has to do with

1594
00:52:29,516 --> 00:52:31,510
the types of houses and the

1595
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:33,386
types of neighborhoods they

1596
00:52:33,386 --> 00:52:34,540
have in Alexandria and a lot of

1597
00:52:34,540 --> 00:52:36,454
existing structures that were

1598
00:52:37,791 --> 00:52:39,293
built. Long, long ago, uh, and,

1599
00:52:39,293 --> 00:52:40,926
and are already there, but

1600
00:52:40,926 --> 00:52:41,727
Arlington and Falls Church are

1601
00:52:41,727 --> 00:52:41,828
excellent, thank you, that

1602
00:52:41,828 --> 00:52:42,562
s

1603
00:52:42,562 --> 00:52:45,562
all my questions. I appreciate

1604
00:52:46,465 --> 00:52:49,465
it. Council member Amos. Thank

1605
00:52:49,869 --> 00:52:50,804
you, uh, excellent presentation,

1606
00:52:50,804 --> 00:52:52,272
the more comment than question,

1607
00:52:52,272 --> 00:52:54,141
the only thing I would flag, I,

1608
00:52:54,141 --> 00:52:54,441
I do echo the planning

1609
00:52:54,441 --> 00:52:54,808
commission

1610
00:52:54,808 --> 00:52:55,509
s concerns with

1611
00:52:55,509 --> 00:52:58,780
parking, and I know that came

1612
00:52:58,780 --> 00:52:59,450
up in our one on ones as well,

1613
00:52:59,450 --> 00:52:59,579
and I imagine that

1614
00:52:59,579 --> 00:53:01,579
s a concern

1615
00:53:03,317 --> 00:53:04,284
that many of us share the main

1616
00:53:04,284 --> 00:53:04,651
thing I would recommend, uh,

1617
00:53:04,651 --> 00:53:06,530
just because it

1618
00:53:06,530 --> 00:53:06,953
s very And I do

1619
00:53:06,953 --> 00:53:07,888
appreciate the language you

1620
00:53:07,888 --> 00:53:09,356
added to make it more

1621
00:53:09,356 --> 00:53:11,992
enforceable. I think that does

1622
00:53:11,992 --> 00:53:13,694
a good job. I, I would just

1623
00:53:13,694 --> 00:53:15,128
recommend tracking, uh, code

1624
00:53:15,128 --> 00:53:16,763
violations over a certain

1625
00:53:16,763 --> 00:53:17,731
period of time, and similar to

1626
00:53:17,731 --> 00:53:18,698
that tracking the number of

1627
00:53:18,698 --> 00:53:20,299
permits that are applied for

1628
00:53:20,299 --> 00:53:20,467
and comparing the two. We also

1629
00:53:20,467 --> 00:53:21,133
don

1630
00:53:21,133 --> 00:53:24,303
t want it to be a case

1631
00:53:24,303 --> 00:53:25,906
where We have a certain number

1632
00:53:25,906 --> 00:53:26,239
of, uh, violations, but they

1633
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:27,907
re

1634
00:53:27,907 --> 00:53:30,307
all attributed to similar

1635
00:53:30,410 --> 00:53:31,945
properties or 1 or 2 outliers.

1636
00:53:31,945 --> 00:53:32,878
By by code violations, what

1637
00:53:32,878 --> 00:53:33,814
kind of code violations do you

1638
00:53:33,814 --> 00:53:35,140
have rather than code

1639
00:53:35,140 --> 00:53:37,140
violations, just violations,

1640
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:38,784
for example, uh, for not

1641
00:53:38,784 --> 00:53:41,184
providing adequate parking or

1642
00:53:42,656 --> 00:53:44,124
overparking in certain areas.

1643
00:53:44,124 --> 00:53:45,158
So applications that, that tri

1644
00:53:45,158 --> 00:53:45,859
trigger that need for an

1645
00:53:45,859 --> 00:53:48,940
additional parking space, ok,

1646
00:53:48,940 --> 00:53:50,864
yes, got you. Council member

1647
00:53:50,864 --> 00:53:52,231
Hall. Thank you and thank you

1648
00:53:52,231 --> 00:53:54,300
for the extra time and energy

1649
00:53:54,300 --> 00:53:55,635
that went into asking or

1650
00:53:55,635 --> 00:53:57,537
answering the questions that we

1651
00:53:57,537 --> 00:53:59,272
had posed previously and, and

1652
00:53:59,272 --> 00:53:59,473
the other concerns, um, so I

1653
00:53:59,473 --> 00:54:00,906
ll

1654
00:54:00,906 --> 00:54:01,908
be honest, I thought you were

1655
00:54:01,908 --> 00:54:03,430
making a mistake when you

1656
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:04,377
called them affordable dwelling

1657
00:54:04,377 --> 00:54:06,179
units, but then you made a

1658
00:54:06,179 --> 00:54:08,579
reference between 8 ft and 10

1659
00:54:08,581 --> 00:54:09,749
ft for affordable dwelling unit

1660
00:54:09,749 --> 00:54:10,516
versus accessory, detached

1661
00:54:10,516 --> 00:54:10,651
accessory dwelling unit. So,

1662
00:54:10,651 --> 00:54:12,419
i

1663
00:54:12,419 --> 00:54:13,420
ve been over here trying to

1664
00:54:13,420 --> 00:54:15,820
do some additional research,

1665
00:54:17,790 --> 00:54:18,358
but can you, there, there is an

1666
00:54:18,358 --> 00:54:18,825
affordable dwelling unit

1667
00:54:18,825 --> 00:54:19,260
ordinance folks aren

1668
00:54:19,260 --> 00:54:21,260
t very

1669
00:54:21,260 --> 00:54:22,362
familiar with it as a Pertains

1670
00:54:22,362 --> 00:54:22,796
to single-family houses because

1671
00:54:22,796 --> 00:54:23,764
we haven

1672
00:54:23,764 --> 00:54:25,598
t had anything like

1673
00:54:25,598 --> 00:54:27,266
that since 2020 when it was

1674
00:54:27,266 --> 00:54:29,200
approved, but the affordable

1675
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:30,904
dwelling ordinance that you all

1676
00:54:30,904 --> 00:54:33,304
are more familiar with

1677
00:54:33,306 --> 00:54:34,940
requiring a certain percentage

1678
00:54:34,940 --> 00:54:36,940
of 6% of multi-family

1679
00:54:37,144 --> 00:54:39,544
residences be affordable. There

1680
00:54:39,712 --> 00:54:42,712
is an equivalent for detached

1681
00:54:42,715 --> 00:54:44,350
homes as well, uh, and just

1682
00:54:44,350 --> 00:54:45,786
like the, uh, building

1683
00:54:45,786 --> 00:54:47,688
standards were relaxed a bit

1684
00:54:47,688 --> 00:54:48,622
for the affordable dwelling

1685
00:54:48,622 --> 00:54:49,289
unit or affordable dwelling

1686
00:54:49,289 --> 00:54:51,689
units in multi-family. They

1687
00:54:53,993 --> 00:54:56,950
were Relaxed a little bit for.

1688
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:59,695
Single family as well, and that

1689
00:54:59,967 --> 00:55:00,933
was increasing the. Setbacks or

1690
00:55:00,933 --> 00:55:01,234
decreasing the setbacks, so

1691
00:55:01,234 --> 00:55:01,535
that, that

1692
00:55:01,535 --> 00:55:02,100
s, that

1693
00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:02,369
s, that

1694
00:55:02,369 --> 00:55:03,870
s

1695
00:55:03,870 --> 00:55:05,806
where that comes from, thank

1696
00:55:05,806 --> 00:55:07,907
you, yes, yeah, I feel like we

1697
00:55:07,907 --> 00:55:11,507
need new acronyms that are Not

1698
00:55:13,914 --> 00:55:15,348
identical. Excuse me. Um, page

1699
00:55:15,348 --> 00:55:16,949
7 with regard to the parking, I,

1700
00:55:16,949 --> 00:55:17,917
I do, I, I know we like to

1701
00:55:17,917 --> 00:55:19,219
think that people are going to

1702
00:55:19,219 --> 00:55:20,687
bike everywhere and walk

1703
00:55:20,687 --> 00:55:22,789
everywhere and take shuttles,

1704
00:55:22,789 --> 00:55:24,758
but I, I really have concerns

1705
00:55:24,758 --> 00:55:25,392
about the parking, especially

1706
00:55:25,392 --> 00:55:27,792
in neighborhoods that already

1707
00:55:28,795 --> 00:55:29,396
have Um, you know, parking

1708
00:55:29,396 --> 00:55:29,763
issues, I don

1709
00:55:29,763 --> 00:55:30,229
t think it

1710
00:55:30,229 --> 00:55:32,132
s too

1711
00:55:32,132 --> 00:55:34,635
much to ask to move this to 3

1712
00:55:34,635 --> 00:55:35,736
spots as opposed to 2 spots. Um,

1713
00:55:35,736 --> 00:55:36,136
i think the picture that

1714
00:55:36,136 --> 00:55:37,604
s on

1715
00:55:37,604 --> 00:55:38,438
slide 11 is kind of a prime

1716
00:55:38,438 --> 00:55:39,390
example, as you were saying,

1717
00:55:39,390 --> 00:55:39,672
you know, there

1718
00:55:39,672 --> 00:55:41,740
s a requirement

1719
00:55:41,740 --> 00:55:42,843
to do this for the 2 required

1720
00:55:42,843 --> 00:55:44,211
spots. I was thinking to some

1721
00:55:44,211 --> 00:55:45,212
of the neighborhoods that are

1722
00:55:45,212 --> 00:55:45,311
in the city where they don

1723
00:55:45,311 --> 00:55:47,311
t

1724
00:55:47,547 --> 00:55:48,582
have a driveway at all, or they

1725
00:55:48,582 --> 00:55:49,615
have a short driveway just like

1726
00:55:49,615 --> 00:55:49,916
that, and I was like, well,

1727
00:55:49,916 --> 00:55:51,350
those don

1728
00:55:51,350 --> 00:55:51,584
t That

1729
00:55:51,584 --> 00:55:52,352
s not how

1730
00:55:52,352 --> 00:55:53,353
things are right now. So I

1731
00:55:53,353 --> 00:55:54,621
recognize that it would need to

1732
00:55:54,621 --> 00:55:58,580
be brought up to code in order

1733
00:55:58,580 --> 00:55:58,158
to do that, but I, I don

1734
00:55:58,158 --> 00:55:58,492
t

1735
00:55:58,492 --> 00:55:59,458
think it

1736
00:55:59,458 --> 00:56:02,940
ll hurt in most cases

1737
00:56:02,940 --> 00:56:05,232
to add a third spot, uh,

1738
00:56:05,232 --> 00:56:07,234
instead of just 2. Um, and then

1739
00:56:07,234 --> 00:56:08,669
page 11. Think, oh, sorry, that

1740
00:56:08,669 --> 00:56:10,137
was the same thing. Yeah, uh,

1741
00:56:10,137 --> 00:56:13,737
bring up the code for 2 spots.

1742
00:56:14,410 --> 00:56:14,608
Um And I

1743
00:56:14,608 --> 00:56:14,940
m so ok, so I

1744
00:56:14,940 --> 00:56:16,910
m

1745
00:56:16,910 --> 00:56:18,345
flipping back and forth a

1746
00:56:18,345 --> 00:56:19,746
little bit between the staff

1747
00:56:19,746 --> 00:56:22,683
report and the presentation. So

1748
00:56:22,683 --> 00:56:25,118
on page 8 of the presentation.

1749
00:56:25,118 --> 00:56:28,718
Uh, it talks about the height

1750
00:56:28,989 --> 00:56:30,490
of, of the, um, the houses here.

1751
00:56:30,490 --> 00:56:32,225
So I think, you know, in the

1752
00:56:32,225 --> 00:56:34,427
city, we have a lot of houses

1753
00:56:34,427 --> 00:56:36,229
that might not be Cookie cutter

1754
00:56:36,229 --> 00:56:37,290
in some ways or they might have

1755
00:56:37,290 --> 00:56:39,332
like my house specifically, we

1756
00:56:39,332 --> 00:56:40,200
have, you know, we put in like

1757
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:40,367
16-foot ceilings, which you

1758
00:56:40,367 --> 00:56:41,670
don

1759
00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:42,235
t see from the outside

1760
00:56:42,235 --> 00:56:44,400
because it looks like the same

1761
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:45,105
height, but then in the front,

1762
00:56:45,105 --> 00:56:48,642
when we did our garage, we did

1763
00:56:48,642 --> 00:56:48,809
a Peak, I guess, whatever, I

1764
00:56:48,809 --> 00:56:49,141
don

1765
00:56:49,141 --> 00:56:49,409
t know what it

1766
00:56:49,409 --> 00:56:50,177
s called,

1767
00:56:50,177 --> 00:56:51,344
like the one roof goes this way

1768
00:56:51,344 --> 00:56:52,980
and the other one goes that way,

1769
00:56:52,980 --> 00:56:56,580
hipped, I think, yes, thank you,

1770
00:56:57,183 --> 00:56:58,285
the hip, yes. How, how do those

1771
00:56:58,285 --> 00:56:58,385
hips get decided, like what

1772
00:56:58,385 --> 00:56:59,152
s

1773
00:56:59,152 --> 00:56:59,386
the height that you

1774
00:56:59,386 --> 00:57:00,988
re looking

1775
00:57:00,988 --> 00:57:02,422
at when you see a tall portion

1776
00:57:02,422 --> 00:57:03,423
of a house versus the majority

1777
00:57:03,423 --> 00:57:05,792
of the roof is another height.

1778
00:57:05,792 --> 00:57:07,461
How does that work? So a hip

1779
00:57:07,461 --> 00:57:09,196
roof and a regular peaked roof

1780
00:57:09,196 --> 00:57:12,320
are measured the same way that

1781
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:13,966
the height is measured halfway

1782
00:57:13,966 --> 00:57:16,403
between the eve and the peak.

1783
00:57:16,403 --> 00:57:20,307
Ok. So, uh, in, in this case,

1784
00:57:20,307 --> 00:57:21,608
20, so a house can be 35 ft

1785
00:57:21,608 --> 00:57:22,275
tall, that 35 ft is not

1786
00:57:22,275 --> 00:57:22,576
measured to the peak, it

1787
00:57:22,576 --> 00:57:23,743
s

1788
00:57:23,743 --> 00:57:25,344
measured at the halfway point

1789
00:57:25,344 --> 00:57:27,613
between the eve and the. Peak.

1790
00:57:27,613 --> 00:57:28,649
Same thing with the 20 ft here,

1791
00:57:28,649 --> 00:57:30,649
uh, it, it

1792
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:32,219
s measured halfway,

1793
00:57:32,219 --> 00:57:34,821
uh, between the, um, between

1794
00:57:34,821 --> 00:57:36,323
the eve and the peak and also

1795
00:57:36,323 --> 00:57:37,891
halfway between the slope of

1796
00:57:37,891 --> 00:57:40,760
the ground, if, if the ground

1797
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:41,227
slopes, it, it is a complicated

1798
00:57:41,227 --> 00:57:42,290
procedure. We don

1799
00:57:42,290 --> 00:57:42,195
t feel that

1800
00:57:42,195 --> 00:57:43,950
it

1801
00:57:43,950 --> 00:57:43,462
s something that we

1802
00:57:43,462 --> 00:57:44,431
re

1803
00:57:44,431 --> 00:57:45,364
dumping on residents as much

1804
00:57:45,364 --> 00:57:47,301
because if you have one of

1805
00:57:47,301 --> 00:57:49,736
these built, you have an

1806
00:57:49,736 --> 00:57:51,337
architect who has to take those

1807
00:57:51,337 --> 00:57:52,572
measurements in all cases, uh,

1808
00:57:52,572 --> 00:57:53,640
so the same architect can take

1809
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,242
measurements of, of the house

1810
00:57:55,242 --> 00:57:56,208
as well. Well, it

1811
00:57:56,208 --> 00:57:57,411
s not a bit

1812
00:57:57,411 --> 00:57:59,120
of information the property

1813
00:57:59,120 --> 00:57:59,980
owners would tend to have at

1814
00:57:59,980 --> 00:58:00,579
the ready for their own

1815
00:58:00,579 --> 00:58:00,980
property, but it

1816
00:58:00,980 --> 00:58:02,849
s something

1817
00:58:02,849 --> 00:58:04,818
that in the course of

1818
00:58:04,818 --> 00:58:05,851
construction is, is routine. Ok,

1819
00:58:05,851 --> 00:58:07,254
and so then let

1820
00:58:07,254 --> 00:58:09,254
s picture that

1821
00:58:10,900 --> 00:58:11,257
you have a lot where the back

1822
00:58:11,257 --> 00:58:13,657
is significantly higher or

1823
00:58:13,927 --> 00:58:16,330
lower, how does that factor

1824
00:58:16,330 --> 00:58:18,298
into the roof of that space. So,

1825
00:58:18,298 --> 00:58:19,732
so the measurement is taken if,

1826
00:58:19,732 --> 00:58:21,234
if the ground slopes like this,

1827
00:58:21,234 --> 00:58:22,903
the measurement is taken from

1828
00:58:22,903 --> 00:58:24,437
the halfway point, uh, of the

1829
00:58:24,437 --> 00:58:25,838
high point and the low point.

1830
00:58:25,838 --> 00:58:27,474
Of, of the structure, so the

1831
00:58:27,474 --> 00:58:29,209
halfway point of the ground to

1832
00:58:29,209 --> 00:58:30,177
the halfway point of the roof.

1833
00:58:30,177 --> 00:58:31,277
Ok, so that

1834
00:58:31,277 --> 00:58:32,613
s your 35 ft or

1835
00:58:32,613 --> 00:58:33,113
your 20 ft, ok, so let

1836
00:58:33,113 --> 00:58:34,548
s say my

1837
00:58:34,548 --> 00:58:37,883
house out front is normal when

1838
00:58:37,883 --> 00:58:39,186
it comes to my neighbors, but

1839
00:58:39,186 --> 00:58:40,720
then my yard significantly goes

1840
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,289
up, am I going to be able to

1841
00:58:42,289 --> 00:58:44,157
build a house that is as tall

1842
00:58:44,157 --> 00:58:46,559
as my house, which means now

1843
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:48,929
this house in behind is

1844
00:58:48,929 --> 00:58:50,970
significantly taller, or am I

1845
00:58:50,970 --> 00:58:52,933
limited to the height, even

1846
00:58:52,933 --> 00:58:54,868
with the additional Hill in the

1847
00:58:54,868 --> 00:58:57,537
back, so if your house is on a

1848
00:58:57,537 --> 00:58:58,704
slope, and if the measurement

1849
00:58:58,704 --> 00:59:01,908
for your house come comes out

1850
00:59:01,908 --> 00:59:04,878
that your house is 25 ft. Tall,

1851
00:59:04,878 --> 00:59:07,314
for instance, uh The maximum

1852
00:59:07,314 --> 00:59:07,681
height of the adu would be 20

1853
00:59:07,681 --> 00:59:08,214
ft because that

1854
00:59:08,214 --> 00:59:10,214
s the tallest

1855
00:59:11,785 --> 00:59:12,551
that it could possibly go. Ok,

1856
00:59:12,551 --> 00:59:12,719
so I, I understand you

1857
00:59:12,719 --> 00:59:13,654
re

1858
00:59:13,654 --> 00:59:14,321
explaining the same thing to me

1859
00:59:14,321 --> 00:59:15,722
multiple times in different

1860
00:59:15,722 --> 00:59:16,590
ways. I

1861
00:59:16,590 --> 00:59:17,691
m still not visually

1862
00:59:17,691 --> 00:59:19,492
height measurement is not easy

1863
00:59:19,492 --> 00:59:20,360
to understand. No, it

1864
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,329
s not the,

1865
00:59:22,329 --> 00:59:22,996
the, the 2 structures would be

1866
00:59:22,996 --> 00:59:25,396
measured independently of each

1867
00:59:26,199 --> 00:59:28,468
other. So if, if, if, if your

1868
00:59:28,468 --> 00:59:31,468
house. Is measured at over 20

1869
00:59:33,507 --> 00:59:34,874
ft. Your adu could be a maximum

1870
00:59:34,874 --> 00:59:37,744
of 20 ft regardless of what the

1871
00:59:37,744 --> 00:59:38,744
topography is. Ok, so it is

1872
00:59:38,744 --> 00:59:41,480
possible then if you have a

1873
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,648
very large hill in the back

1874
00:59:44,884 --> 00:59:45,752
that your secondary. Adu could

1875
00:59:45,752 --> 00:59:48,152
be significantly taller than

1876
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:50,657
your front house. That, that,

1877
00:59:50,657 --> 00:59:51,524
that would be extremely

1878
00:59:51,524 --> 00:59:51,692
unlikely. I

1879
00:59:51,692 --> 00:59:52,392
m, I

1880
00:59:52,392 --> 00:59:52,559
m, I, I, I

1881
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:53,593
don

1882
00:59:53,593 --> 00:59:53,694
t want to say it can

1883
00:59:53,694 --> 00:59:55,694
t

1884
00:59:58,598 --> 00:59:59,967
happen. Ok. I, I, I, I feel. I

1885
00:59:59,967 --> 01:00:01,401
feel it would be very unlikely.

1886
01:00:01,401 --> 01:00:03,200
It it would be a, you know,

1887
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,239
like if you had this house on

1888
01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:07,273
the right, and then you had the

1889
01:00:07,273 --> 01:00:10,873
property slope down a lot in

1890
01:00:13,130 --> 01:00:14,448
the back. Uh, then. You MAY

1891
01:00:14,448 --> 01:00:15,682
have a situation where that

1892
01:00:15,682 --> 01:00:17,683
looks the case, but it would

1893
01:00:17,683 --> 01:00:19,752
still have to keep to 16 ft.

1894
01:00:19,752 --> 01:00:22,788
And, and the, and the reason

1895
01:00:22,788 --> 01:00:24,725
that we have It as The, the

1896
01:00:24,725 --> 01:00:26,692
reason we have it is that is to

1897
01:00:26,692 --> 01:00:29,920
build in some additional

1898
01:00:29,162 --> 01:00:29,362
flexibility, uh, because we, we

1899
01:00:29,362 --> 01:00:30,530
didn

1900
01:00:30,530 --> 01:00:30,631
t want houses, we didn

1901
01:00:30,631 --> 01:00:32,431
t

1902
01:00:32,431 --> 01:00:34,340
want a situation where a house

1903
01:00:34,340 --> 01:00:37,690
where an adu would have to be

1904
01:00:37,690 --> 01:00:38,472
an unreasonably small. Number.

1905
01:00:38,472 --> 01:00:39,972
Right, and, but on the flip

1906
01:00:39,972 --> 01:00:40,506
side, we also don

1907
01:00:40,506 --> 01:00:42,309
t now that

1908
01:00:42,309 --> 01:00:43,977
this house is going to be

1909
01:00:43,977 --> 01:00:44,810
significantly closer to a side

1910
01:00:44,810 --> 01:00:46,647
yard. We also don

1911
01:00:46,647 --> 01:00:48,115
t want it to

1912
01:00:48,115 --> 01:00:48,515
be towering over where the

1913
01:00:48,515 --> 01:00:49,820
front house wasn

1914
01:00:49,820 --> 01:00:50,550
t already just

1915
01:00:50,550 --> 01:00:53,119
because of a topography thing,

1916
01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:56,119
so just trying to understand

1917
01:00:59,993 --> 01:01:01,270
that those nuances. Ok. Um, On,

1918
01:01:01,270 --> 01:01:04,627
uh, in the staff report, I

1919
01:01:06,533 --> 01:01:06,700
think this is on page 6, Item l,

1920
01:01:06,700 --> 01:01:08,700
it

1921
01:01:09,836 --> 01:01:10,804
s on page 7, it talks about

1922
01:01:10,804 --> 01:01:12,306
the zoning administrator MAY

1923
01:01:12,306 --> 01:01:13,407
inspect the property if If

1924
01:01:13,407 --> 01:01:14,741
there is a complaint registered

1925
01:01:14,741 --> 01:01:15,709
with the city or if the

1926
01:01:15,709 --> 01:01:17,760
official has other reason to

1927
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:18,511
believe that the owner or

1928
01:01:18,511 --> 01:01:19,713
occupants are in violation of

1929
01:01:19,713 --> 01:01:22,113
the accessory dwelling unit

1930
01:01:22,182 --> 01:01:24,582
approval. From what I

1931
01:01:26,119 --> 01:01:26,553
understand of our. Enforcement

1932
01:01:26,553 --> 01:01:27,354
abilities, there

1933
01:01:27,354 --> 01:01:30,354
s not a lot of

1934
01:01:31,358 --> 01:01:31,725
teeth to them. And I totally

1935
01:01:31,725 --> 01:01:32,590
support people

1936
01:01:32,590 --> 01:01:32,960
s right to do

1937
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:34,795
what they want with their own

1938
01:01:34,795 --> 01:01:35,195
houses, but I also don

1939
01:01:35,195 --> 01:01:37,195
t want

1940
01:01:37,229 --> 01:01:39,566
to see that right impede upon

1941
01:01:39,566 --> 01:01:39,800
their neighbors. And so I, I, I

1942
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:40,801
know we

1943
01:01:40,801 --> 01:01:42,168
ve had issues in the

1944
01:01:42,168 --> 01:01:43,937
past where we as a council have

1945
01:01:43,937 --> 01:01:44,904
been notified that, you know,

1946
01:01:44,904 --> 01:01:45,973
there might be x number of

1947
01:01:45,973 --> 01:01:46,173
people living in a house and

1948
01:01:46,173 --> 01:01:47,307
they

1949
01:01:47,307 --> 01:01:47,407
re like, no, it

1950
01:01:47,407 --> 01:01:48,674
s

1951
01:01:48,674 --> 01:01:48,875
boyfriends, girlfriends, but

1952
01:01:48,875 --> 01:01:49,343
they

1953
01:01:49,343 --> 01:01:49,810
re really there all the

1954
01:01:49,810 --> 01:01:51,812
time, but they don

1955
01:01:51,812 --> 01:01:53,812
t Qualify as

1956
01:01:53,947 --> 01:01:54,470
as house residents, but there

1957
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:54,848
s

1958
01:01:54,848 --> 01:01:56,949
a parking situation that comes

1959
01:01:56,949 --> 01:02:00,186
or other things that come with

1960
01:02:00,186 --> 01:02:02,288
that. So I I would like to see

1961
01:02:02,288 --> 01:02:05,288
a little bit more enforcement

1962
01:02:05,926 --> 01:02:06,892
ability, whether or not we have

1963
01:02:06,892 --> 01:02:08,929
enforcement power or enough

1964
01:02:08,929 --> 01:02:09,363
staff members to do that. I

1965
01:02:09,363 --> 01:02:09,896
think that

1966
01:02:09,896 --> 01:02:11,198
s likely not going

1967
01:02:11,198 --> 01:02:13,300
to be something that we need to

1968
01:02:13,300 --> 01:02:13,667
add in order to manage this,

1969
01:02:13,667 --> 01:02:15,134
but that

1970
01:02:15,134 --> 01:02:16,670
s, those are part of

1971
01:02:16,670 --> 01:02:19,372
my concerns. Um, the next one

1972
01:02:19,372 --> 01:02:21,273
also goes then to item, um, n

1973
01:02:21,273 --> 01:02:22,576
as in Nancy, where it talks

1974
01:02:22,576 --> 01:02:22,909
about, um, if there

1975
01:02:22,909 --> 01:02:24,909
s a change,

1976
01:02:25,212 --> 01:02:27,470
sorry, they took that out. If

1977
01:02:27,470 --> 01:02:27,981
an accessory dwelling unit no

1978
01:02:27,981 --> 01:02:30,381
longer complies with the

1979
01:02:31,350 --> 01:02:33,200
conditions, then The, uh, use

1980
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:34,454
of the space as a separate

1981
01:02:34,454 --> 01:02:35,889
dwelling unit shall cease the

1982
01:02:35,889 --> 01:02:36,956
physical arrangement of the

1983
01:02:36,956 --> 01:02:37,624
space that created an

1984
01:02:37,624 --> 01:02:39,359
independent housekeeping unit

1985
01:02:39,359 --> 01:02:40,761
shall be integrated into the

1986
01:02:40,761 --> 01:02:42,195
primary dwelling unit and the

1987
01:02:42,195 --> 01:02:42,796
space shall not be

1988
01:02:42,796 --> 01:02:44,664
independently leased as a

1989
01:02:44,664 --> 01:02:46,133
separate dwelling unit. Again,

1990
01:02:46,133 --> 01:02:46,566
I feel like that

1991
01:02:46,566 --> 01:02:47,267
s something

1992
01:02:47,267 --> 01:02:47,434
where we tell someone they

1993
01:02:47,434 --> 01:02:48,568
can

1994
01:02:48,568 --> 01:02:50,437
t do something because they

1995
01:02:50,437 --> 01:02:51,938
violated a rule or, you know,

1996
01:02:51,938 --> 01:02:52,105
an ordinance, but again, we

1997
01:02:52,105 --> 01:02:53,372
don

1998
01:02:53,372 --> 01:02:55,241
t have a lot of ability to

1999
01:02:55,241 --> 01:02:56,776
go back and actually follow up

2000
01:02:56,776 --> 01:02:57,744
on it. So I just think there

2001
01:02:57,744 --> 01:02:57,944
needs to be something in there

2002
01:02:57,944 --> 01:02:59,579
that

2003
01:02:59,579 --> 01:03:00,580
s a little bit stronger

2004
01:03:00,580 --> 01:03:01,614
because from what I understand,

2005
01:03:01,614 --> 01:03:03,417
if we go and we knock on the

2006
01:03:03,417 --> 01:03:04,818
door and no one answers, well,

2007
01:03:04,818 --> 01:03:07,354
we might go back another day

2008
01:03:07,354 --> 01:03:08,922
and no one answers again.

2009
01:03:08,922 --> 01:03:09,256
Legally, and we shouldn

2010
01:03:09,256 --> 01:03:10,823
t have

2011
01:03:10,823 --> 01:03:13,590
the ability to enter their yard

2012
01:03:13,590 --> 01:03:13,360
to do things, but If they

2013
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:14,270
re

2014
01:03:14,270 --> 01:03:15,462
not complying with something,

2015
01:03:15,462 --> 01:03:18,650
it, it seems like there needs

2016
01:03:18,650 --> 01:03:19,800
to be some other way to have

2017
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:20,334
some additional enforcement. So

2018
01:03:20,334 --> 01:03:22,334
I, I

2019
01:03:22,602 --> 01:03:23,637
m not suggesting You know,

2020
01:03:23,637 --> 01:03:23,836
I mean, tax levies, like

2021
01:03:23,836 --> 01:03:24,638
there

2022
01:03:24,638 --> 01:03:25,572
s all these different

2023
01:03:25,572 --> 01:03:26,872
things that people can do, like

2024
01:03:26,872 --> 01:03:27,807
they boot your car, right? Like

2025
01:03:27,807 --> 01:03:28,141
all those things that they do

2026
01:03:28,141 --> 01:03:29,308
when you don

2027
01:03:29,308 --> 01:03:30,443
t pay your parking

2028
01:03:30,443 --> 01:03:32,278
tickets. I just think that

2029
01:03:32,278 --> 01:03:33,246
there needs to be some other

2030
01:03:33,246 --> 01:03:34,481
conversation that is in place

2031
01:03:34,481 --> 01:03:36,783
to be able to move forward with

2032
01:03:36,783 --> 01:03:37,249
this. And, and that

2033
01:03:37,249 --> 01:03:38,652
s not

2034
01:03:38,652 --> 01:03:40,870
dissimilar to the conversation

2035
01:03:40,870 --> 01:03:41,989
the planning commission had

2036
01:03:41,989 --> 01:03:43,756
last month, uh, it, it just and,

2037
01:03:43,756 --> 01:03:45,250
and, you know, we reminded

2038
01:03:45,250 --> 01:03:47,794
planning commission of, of this

2039
01:03:47,794 --> 01:03:49,229
as well, and, uh, occupancy

2040
01:03:49,229 --> 01:03:49,763
enforcement is awfully tricky

2041
01:03:49,763 --> 01:03:50,664
from the city

2042
01:03:50,664 --> 01:03:51,264
s perspective

2043
01:03:51,264 --> 01:03:52,199
because there

2044
01:03:52,199 --> 01:03:54,501
s no way to check

2045
01:03:54,501 --> 01:03:56,350
on the occupancy of a dwelling

2046
01:03:56,350 --> 01:03:57,404
without having city staff go

2047
01:03:57,404 --> 01:03:58,537
into that dwelling and look at

2048
01:03:58,537 --> 01:04:00,400
the beds and look at the

2049
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:00,307
bedrooms, and that

2050
01:04:00,307 --> 01:04:00,907
s something

2051
01:04:00,907 --> 01:04:01,173
obviously that

2052
01:04:01,173 --> 01:04:03,173
s not taken

2053
01:04:03,744 --> 01:04:04,770
lightly by the city, there

2054
01:04:04,770 --> 01:04:06,770
s

2055
01:04:06,580 --> 01:04:08,582
just no other way of, of doing

2056
01:04:08,582 --> 01:04:10,651
it, so. Yeah, well, it does

2057
01:04:10,651 --> 01:04:11,551
kind of, you know, wander into

2058
01:04:11,551 --> 01:04:13,951
another discussion on, on

2059
01:04:14,210 --> 01:04:14,488
occupancy and General, but it

2060
01:04:14,488 --> 01:04:15,188
s

2061
01:04:15,188 --> 01:04:16,390
a pertinent discussion. Yeah,

2062
01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:17,824
well, I know like with the

2063
01:04:17,824 --> 01:04:17,991
noise ordinance, right? If, if

2064
01:04:17,991 --> 01:04:18,959
you

2065
01:04:18,959 --> 01:04:20,526
re not getting the response

2066
01:04:20,526 --> 01:04:22,194
you need and the neighbor is

2067
01:04:22,194 --> 01:04:22,396
still continuing to do things,

2068
01:04:22,396 --> 01:04:24,960
there

2069
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:25,165
s an option now to go to

2070
01:04:25,165 --> 01:04:27,466
the courthouse and swear out a

2071
01:04:27,466 --> 01:04:28,969
warrant and, and go that legal

2072
01:04:28,969 --> 01:04:29,602
route, obviously a, a

2073
01:04:29,602 --> 01:04:30,936
disgruntled neighbor is not

2074
01:04:30,936 --> 01:04:32,739
gonna be able to go and swear

2075
01:04:32,739 --> 01:04:33,440
out a warrant against their

2076
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:34,274
neighbor for not having the

2077
01:04:34,274 --> 01:04:35,676
right number of people in their

2078
01:04:35,676 --> 01:04:37,770
house or whatever it is. So I

2079
01:04:37,770 --> 01:04:38,780
just think some of these things

2080
01:04:38,780 --> 01:04:41,114
are just a slippery slope, and

2081
01:04:41,114 --> 01:04:44,184
I think The, the more we can be

2082
01:04:44,184 --> 01:04:45,985
on top of them and try to have

2083
01:04:45,985 --> 01:04:48,540
stronger language where needed.

2084
01:04:48,540 --> 01:04:49,456
Again, just gives us a little

2085
01:04:49,456 --> 01:04:50,824
bit more opportunity to have

2086
01:04:50,824 --> 01:04:51,825
that conversation rather than

2087
01:04:51,825 --> 01:04:52,391
realizing it was too soft and

2088
01:04:52,391 --> 01:04:52,859
then we can

2089
01:04:52,859 --> 01:04:55,859
t go back and do

2090
01:04:56,829 --> 01:04:57,863
anything about it. Um, My also

2091
01:04:57,863 --> 01:04:59,766
my other question about that

2092
01:04:59,766 --> 01:05:00,334
section and it, it, um, talks

2093
01:05:00,334 --> 01:05:00,567
about like when the, I

2094
01:05:00,567 --> 01:05:02,536
m sorry,

2095
01:05:02,536 --> 01:05:04,771
it was, uh, section k talks

2096
01:05:04,771 --> 01:05:06,406
about the, they do an initial

2097
01:05:06,406 --> 01:05:08,241
inspection of the accessory

2098
01:05:08,241 --> 01:05:10,609
dwelling unit, um, and then in

2099
01:05:10,609 --> 01:05:13,547
addition to any renewal of the

2100
01:05:13,547 --> 01:05:15,849
accessory dwelling unit, use or

2101
01:05:15,849 --> 01:05:17,817
transfer of ownership, so. When

2102
01:05:17,817 --> 01:05:20,817
would a renewal apply? Are

2103
01:05:21,188 --> 01:05:23,523
people applying for an adu? For

2104
01:05:23,523 --> 01:05:23,690
1 year, 3 years, 5 years, or

2105
01:05:23,690 --> 01:05:25,125
it

2106
01:05:25,125 --> 01:05:26,526
s for the life of their

2107
01:05:26,526 --> 01:05:27,194
property in which they live,

2108
01:05:27,194 --> 01:05:30,430
and then it transfers to the

2109
01:05:30,430 --> 01:05:31,798
new owner. Uh, I, I think the

2110
01:05:31,798 --> 01:05:32,199
renewal applies to the transfer

2111
01:05:32,199 --> 01:05:33,100
of ownership. I

2112
01:05:33,100 --> 01:05:33,265
m not sure why

2113
01:05:33,265 --> 01:05:35,134
it

2114
01:05:35,134 --> 01:05:37,404
s wri written as an or

2115
01:05:37,404 --> 01:05:40,404
situation, the, the, the zoning

2116
01:05:40,774 --> 01:05:41,742
permit, uh, the applicant signs

2117
01:05:41,742 --> 01:05:44,142
an affidavit acknowledging that,

2118
01:05:44,143 --> 01:05:45,678
uh, it has to be renewed when

2119
01:05:45,678 --> 01:05:48,481
the property transfers, ok, I,

2120
01:05:48,481 --> 01:05:49,583
I will say the, the wording of

2121
01:05:49,583 --> 01:05:50,250
this made me think, and I guess

2122
01:05:50,250 --> 01:05:51,180
similar with the planning

2123
01:05:51,180 --> 01:05:53,420
commission was saying, and I

2124
01:05:53,420 --> 01:05:54,621
also You know, I think people

2125
01:05:54,621 --> 01:05:56,890
are landlords for a very long

2126
01:05:56,890 --> 01:05:56,455
time and People don

2127
01:05:56,455 --> 01:05:57,758
t always

2128
01:05:57,758 --> 01:05:58,358
check up on the house or make

2129
01:05:58,358 --> 01:05:58,759
sure that it

2130
01:05:58,759 --> 01:06:00,661
s being maintained

2131
01:06:00,661 --> 01:06:01,694
in the way that it should be,

2132
01:06:01,694 --> 01:06:02,262
especially when you might have

2133
01:06:02,262 --> 01:06:02,461
college kids renting and

2134
01:06:02,461 --> 01:06:03,530
there

2135
01:06:03,530 --> 01:06:05,999
s a lot of transiency and

2136
01:06:05,999 --> 01:06:06,900
things like that, but maybe we

2137
01:06:06,900 --> 01:06:09,900
do as a separate conversation

2138
01:06:11,238 --> 01:06:11,872
need a little bit more of a

2139
01:06:11,872 --> 01:06:13,807
stronger conversation around

2140
01:06:13,807 --> 01:06:14,674
making sure that when a tenant

2141
01:06:14,674 --> 01:06:17,674
takes possession of the home

2142
01:06:17,944 --> 01:06:19,120
that it really is truly in a

2143
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:20,847
good, safe rentable smoke

2144
01:06:20,847 --> 01:06:21,614
detectors are working, all of

2145
01:06:21,614 --> 01:06:23,716
that kind of thing. Um, you

2146
01:06:23,716 --> 01:06:24,751
know, I know that they pay an

2147
01:06:24,751 --> 01:06:28,351
annual fee to have a rental

2148
01:06:28,722 --> 01:06:29,689
unit, but I, I think we could

2149
01:06:29,689 --> 01:06:31,124
potentially be doing our

2150
01:06:31,124 --> 01:06:32,626
renters as a disservice by not

2151
01:06:32,626 --> 01:06:33,627
making sure that things are up

2152
01:06:33,627 --> 01:06:34,627
to date, um, I know they used

2153
01:06:34,627 --> 01:06:35,696
to do it in, you know, college

2154
01:06:35,696 --> 01:06:35,929
and all that, so it

2155
01:06:35,929 --> 01:06:37,929
s just a

2156
01:06:45,710 --> 01:06:46,139
thought. Um, Page 17. I guess I

2157
01:06:46,139 --> 01:06:47,440
already asked this was how do

2158
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:47,641
we respond to a violation if

2159
01:06:47,641 --> 01:06:49,242
there

2160
01:06:49,242 --> 01:06:52,842
s no one answers the door,

2161
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:55,581
um, ok. And then, um, my last

2162
01:06:55,581 --> 01:06:56,350
question, and i

2163
01:06:56,350 --> 01:06:57,416
ve been asking

2164
01:06:57,416 --> 01:06:58,751
this since I think the

2165
01:06:58,751 --> 01:07:00,253
beginning is why are we so

2166
01:07:00,253 --> 01:07:03,853
afraid of doing this by special

2167
01:07:03,890 --> 01:07:04,224
use permit. I recognize that we

2168
01:07:04,224 --> 01:07:04,890
think there

2169
01:07:04,890 --> 01:07:06,260
s only gonna be a

2170
01:07:06,260 --> 01:07:09,260
handful. You said that there

2171
01:07:09,396 --> 01:07:11,964
might be Did you say 50/10

2172
01:07:11,964 --> 01:07:12,332
years? Right. Ok, so We

2173
01:07:12,332 --> 01:07:13,466
re

2174
01:07:13,466 --> 01:07:13,800
doing special use permits for

2175
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:15,267
chickens. We

2176
01:07:15,267 --> 01:07:16,637
re doing them for

2177
01:07:16,637 --> 01:07:20,140
daycares. This this to me is

2178
01:07:20,140 --> 01:07:21,507
something that It impacts you

2179
01:07:21,507 --> 01:07:23,410
as a homeowner that lives there,

2180
01:07:23,410 --> 01:07:23,743
but it also impacts every

2181
01:07:23,743 --> 01:07:24,377
neighbor that

2182
01:07:24,377 --> 01:07:26,413
s around you, and

2183
01:07:26,413 --> 01:07:28,815
I know that when we were doing

2184
01:07:28,815 --> 01:07:30,517
our renovation and we wanted to

2185
01:07:30,517 --> 01:07:31,184
get an exception to the, which

2186
01:07:31,184 --> 01:07:31,685
is now, it

2187
01:07:31,685 --> 01:07:32,652
s even smaller than

2188
01:07:32,652 --> 01:07:34,955
what we asked for, but for the,

2189
01:07:34,955 --> 01:07:36,890
the side yard, I mean, we had

2190
01:07:36,890 --> 01:07:37,900
to send out certified postcards

2191
01:07:37,900 --> 01:07:37,923
and have all of our neighbors

2192
01:07:37,923 --> 01:07:39,893
not really have a problem with

2193
01:07:39,893 --> 01:07:42,763
it and, and have that

2194
01:07:42,763 --> 01:07:43,630
conversation to me this is a

2195
01:07:43,630 --> 01:07:45,666
really big decision that you

2196
01:07:45,666 --> 01:07:47,000
are making as a homeowner that

2197
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,635
is impacting all of those

2198
01:07:49,635 --> 01:07:53,835
around you, and. I, I just, I,

2199
01:07:54,641 --> 01:07:55,675
I, I would have a much easier

2200
01:07:55,675 --> 01:07:58,545
Ability to accept this if it

2201
01:07:58,545 --> 01:07:59,178
was a spy special use, but just

2202
01:07:59,178 --> 01:08:01,348
willy-nilly by right, I, I

2203
01:08:01,348 --> 01:08:01,782
think. I

2204
01:08:01,782 --> 01:08:01,882
m hopeful that there

2205
01:08:01,882 --> 01:08:02,449
s

2206
01:08:02,449 --> 01:08:03,216
not going to be an

2207
01:08:03,216 --> 01:08:04,751
extraordinary amount of these,

2208
01:08:04,751 --> 01:08:05,118
but I, I don

2209
01:08:05,118 --> 01:08:06,586
t think it hurts

2210
01:08:06,586 --> 01:08:08,488
to do the special use. I think

2211
01:08:08,488 --> 01:08:10,991
it makes sure that we just have

2212
01:08:10,991 --> 01:08:11,925
that extra layer of You know,

2213
01:08:11,925 --> 01:08:12,959
rubber stamping it essentially

2214
01:08:12,959 --> 01:08:14,328
to make sure that it, it is

2215
01:08:14,328 --> 01:08:15,895
what it is. And I think it

2216
01:08:15,895 --> 01:08:17,663
gives, like I said, the

2217
01:08:17,663 --> 01:08:18,265
neighbors around them a real

2218
01:08:18,265 --> 01:08:18,465
opportunity to understand

2219
01:08:18,465 --> 01:08:19,131
what

2220
01:08:19,131 --> 01:08:19,800
s gonna be happening next

2221
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:20,990
to them and what they

2222
01:08:20,990 --> 01:08:22,990
re gonna

2223
01:08:22,736 --> 01:08:23,670
be living next to. So I, I

2224
01:08:23,670 --> 01:08:26,606
would really, really like to

2225
01:08:26,606 --> 01:08:29,376
see that added in here. I, I

2226
01:08:29,376 --> 01:08:31,845
think the aversion to having

2227
01:08:31,845 --> 01:08:33,714
ADUs be a special use permit,

2228
01:08:33,714 --> 01:08:35,649
uh, just drawing back to 2016

2229
01:08:35,649 --> 01:08:37,217
when that was discussed because,

2230
01:08:37,217 --> 01:08:39,885
uh, ADUs used to be a special

2231
01:08:39,885 --> 01:08:42,220
use permit. I, I think council

2232
01:08:42,220 --> 01:08:43,456
felt uncomfortable about having

2233
01:08:43,456 --> 01:08:45,856
individual homeowners come, uh,

2234
01:08:46,193 --> 01:08:46,960
to a meeting like this at city

2235
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,360
council to explain improvements

2236
01:08:50,297 --> 01:08:51,310
that they wanted to do in in

2237
01:08:51,310 --> 01:08:54,533
their home while other, uh, you

2238
01:08:54,533 --> 01:08:57,700
know. A brand new home could be

2239
01:08:57,700 --> 01:08:58,972
built 3-story, 35 ft high, 5000

2240
01:08:58,972 --> 01:09:01,341
sq ft home could be built

2241
01:09:01,341 --> 01:09:02,909
without coming to city council,

2242
01:09:02,909 --> 01:09:03,910
uh, but adding an accessory

2243
01:09:03,910 --> 01:09:06,647
dwelling unit brings people to

2244
01:09:06,647 --> 01:09:08,815
city council to a meeting like

2245
01:09:08,815 --> 01:09:11,815
this, uh, the, the Chicken.

2246
01:09:12,386 --> 01:09:13,953
This this was before chickens.

2247
01:09:13,953 --> 01:09:16,757
Before the chicken I think I, I

2248
01:09:16,757 --> 01:09:20,127
think the, uh, you know, the,

2249
01:09:20,127 --> 01:09:20,326
the thought is that counsel

2250
01:09:20,326 --> 01:09:22,620
doesn

2251
01:09:22,620 --> 01:09:22,995
t necessarily want more

2252
01:09:22,995 --> 01:09:24,698
individual property cases

2253
01:09:24,698 --> 01:09:26,990
coming to public hearings like

2254
01:09:26,990 --> 01:09:27,801
chickens. I think this council

2255
01:09:27,801 --> 01:09:30,801
member does, to be totally

2256
01:09:31,805 --> 01:09:34,407
honest. Um, and I You said back

2257
01:09:34,407 --> 01:09:35,750
in 2016 when they did this, but

2258
01:09:35,750 --> 01:09:35,709
we didn

2259
01:09:35,709 --> 01:09:37,709
t have detached

2260
01:09:37,843 --> 01:09:38,811
accessory dwelling units. We

2261
01:09:38,811 --> 01:09:39,479
had attached accessory dwelling

2262
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:39,813
units, so you

2263
01:09:39,813 --> 01:09:41,813
re saying that

2264
01:09:43,750 --> 01:09:45,118
that Um, requirement was

2265
01:09:45,118 --> 01:09:47,518
removed in 2016 for attached

2266
01:09:47,721 --> 01:09:48,821
dwelling units. Correct, ok,

2267
01:09:48,821 --> 01:09:48,989
and, and I understand what

2268
01:09:48,989 --> 01:09:50,590
you

2269
01:09:50,590 --> 01:09:51,590
re saying about tear down

2270
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:52,125
and build a 35-foot house. I

2271
01:09:52,125 --> 01:09:52,959
mean, I think we

2272
01:09:52,959 --> 01:09:54,393
ve all seen

2273
01:09:54,393 --> 01:09:56,862
the one on Warwick, um, but

2274
01:09:56,862 --> 01:09:58,265
again, I think you have very

2275
01:09:58,265 --> 01:09:59,866
angry neighbors that are really

2276
01:09:59,866 --> 01:10:02,266
unhappy with what happened

2277
01:10:02,668 --> 01:10:03,690
there. So I, I think if we

2278
01:10:03,690 --> 01:10:04,603
re

2279
01:10:04,603 --> 01:10:07,173
really only expecting 50 over a

2280
01:10:07,173 --> 01:10:09,176
10-year period to me. Check the

2281
01:10:09,176 --> 01:10:10,576
box. Special permit, special

2282
01:10:10,576 --> 01:10:12,312
use permit, easy breezy and we

2283
01:10:12,312 --> 01:10:12,712
get it going. So I, I

2284
01:10:12,712 --> 01:10:13,547
m not

2285
01:10:13,547 --> 01:10:17,147
sure that I can support this

2286
01:10:17,617 --> 01:10:20,170
without that. Thank you.

2287
01:10:23,230 --> 01:10:25,358
Council member Bates. So, uh,

2288
01:10:25,358 --> 01:10:26,727
with regard to height, um, well,

2289
01:10:26,727 --> 01:10:29,195
uh, well actually both height

2290
01:10:29,195 --> 01:10:31,595
and setbacks, uh. The

2291
01:10:31,632 --> 01:10:34,320
requirements that are proposed

2292
01:10:34,340 --> 01:10:34,700
here actually more strict than,

2293
01:10:34,700 --> 01:10:37,100
uh, the existing requirements

2294
01:10:37,371 --> 01:10:38,338
for, uh, non-dwelling unit

2295
01:10:38,338 --> 01:10:40,738
accessory structures, is that

2296
01:10:40,973 --> 01:10:43,243
right? Correct, yeah, um, and

2297
01:10:43,243 --> 01:10:43,876
then, uh, Um, which, you know,

2298
01:10:43,876 --> 01:10:44,378
also certainly don

2299
01:10:44,378 --> 01:10:45,145
t require

2300
01:10:45,145 --> 01:10:45,746
any additional parking, granted,

2301
01:10:45,746 --> 01:10:46,779
they don

2302
01:10:46,779 --> 01:10:49,179
t have anybody living

2303
01:10:49,650 --> 01:10:52,653
there, but, um You know, and

2304
01:10:52,653 --> 01:10:54,588
additionally. Residents are

2305
01:10:54,588 --> 01:10:55,522
able to, as you mentioned,

2306
01:10:55,522 --> 01:10:57,456
build additions onto their

2307
01:10:57,456 --> 01:10:58,525
house, add additional bedrooms,

2308
01:10:58,525 --> 01:11:02,125
um, and then, of course, we

2309
01:11:02,529 --> 01:11:04,929
have Uh, attached accessory

2310
01:11:06,166 --> 01:11:08,680
dwelling units allowed. Um, and

2311
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:10,170
so really, to my mind, this is

2312
01:11:10,170 --> 01:11:11,570
taking what is already allowed

2313
01:11:11,570 --> 01:11:12,239
and providing some simply

2314
01:11:12,239 --> 01:11:14,639
additional flexibility in terms

2315
01:11:14,908 --> 01:11:16,810
of where it can be located. Um,

2316
01:11:16,810 --> 01:11:19,210
and perhaps even additional

2317
01:11:19,746 --> 01:11:21,810
flexibility to allow for it to

2318
01:11:21,810 --> 01:11:22,148
be even less overwhelming to

2319
01:11:22,148 --> 01:11:23,583
the existing structure since it

2320
01:11:23,583 --> 01:11:27,421
can be separated a bit from the

2321
01:11:27,421 --> 01:11:28,155
existing house. Um, and, uh,

2322
01:11:28,155 --> 01:11:31,155
you know, additionally, as you

2323
01:11:31,157 --> 01:11:33,760
mentioned, Someone can, um, can

2324
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:36,290
build a, you know, a house, uh,

2325
01:11:36,290 --> 01:11:36,196
without a permit. And of course,

2326
01:11:36,196 --> 01:11:38,196
we

2327
01:11:39,199 --> 01:11:41,599
ve seen Uh, additional

2328
01:11:44,571 --> 01:11:45,671
houses built on, um, uh, lots.

2329
01:11:45,671 --> 01:11:48,671
That have been subdivided and

2330
01:11:48,708 --> 01:11:50,310
sold off. And so this, to my

2331
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:51,244
mind, also provides an

2332
01:11:51,244 --> 01:11:53,680
alternative to that, you know,

2333
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:55,480
that is perhaps a bit less, uh,

2334
01:11:55,480 --> 01:11:58,480
disruptive, you know, or less

2335
01:11:58,150 --> 01:12:00,219
impactful. To the, um, you know,

2336
01:12:00,219 --> 01:12:01,822
the streetscape, the, uh,

2337
01:12:01,822 --> 01:12:04,822
existing, uh, aesthetic of the

2338
01:12:05,993 --> 01:12:08,993
property. And, uh, with regard

2339
01:12:09,596 --> 01:12:12,596
to, um The question of

2340
01:12:13,867 --> 01:12:15,801
requiring a special use permit,

2341
01:12:15,801 --> 01:12:17,204
would that require the

2342
01:12:17,204 --> 01:12:19,106
applicant to pay the special

2343
01:12:19,106 --> 01:12:22,676
use permit fee as well, correct?

2344
01:12:22,676 --> 01:12:23,944
Yeah, yeah, so I have concerns

2345
01:12:23,944 --> 01:12:25,612
about that, um, given that, you

2346
01:12:25,612 --> 01:12:27,813
know, for chickens, for daycare,

2347
01:12:27,813 --> 01:12:29,516
you know, that kind of thing,

2348
01:12:29,516 --> 01:12:33,200
um, you know, certainly you can

2349
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,856
say that, uh Um, you know,

2350
01:12:35,856 --> 01:12:37,758
hands produce eggs, uh. Daycare

2351
01:12:37,758 --> 01:12:37,924
provides an income stream, but

2352
01:12:37,924 --> 01:12:39,924
it

2353
01:12:40,193 --> 01:12:43,296
s not something that is, uh,

2354
01:12:43,296 --> 01:12:45,598
directly Uh, necessity for the,

2355
01:12:45,598 --> 01:12:47,266
you know, the people living

2356
01:12:47,266 --> 01:12:48,702
there, necessarily, but of

2357
01:12:48,702 --> 01:12:50,670
course, housing is for the, you

2358
01:12:50,670 --> 01:12:51,338
know, the people who live in

2359
01:12:51,338 --> 01:12:53,738
the accessible dwelling unit

2360
01:12:56,209 --> 01:12:59,178
itself. And so from a housing

2361
01:12:59,178 --> 01:13:01,178
availability perspective, I

2362
01:13:01,214 --> 01:13:02,649
would have concerns about, um,

2363
01:13:02,649 --> 01:13:03,417
the burden that that fee might

2364
01:13:03,417 --> 01:13:06,886
place on people who want to do

2365
01:13:06,886 --> 01:13:08,588
this. And also I would imagine

2366
01:13:08,588 --> 01:13:11,558
that the process for that would

2367
01:13:11,558 --> 01:13:12,592
be a lot more, um. Labor

2368
01:13:12,592 --> 01:13:14,861
intensive, uh, right then, you

2369
01:13:14,861 --> 01:13:15,429
know, for, for chickens or

2370
01:13:15,429 --> 01:13:16,229
daycare because it

2371
01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:17,164
s a matter

2372
01:13:17,164 --> 01:13:19,564
of building an additional

2373
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,136
structure on the lot. Um, so

2374
01:13:23,136 --> 01:13:25,304
there would be a You know, the

2375
01:13:25,304 --> 01:13:28,410
process involved for that. So,

2376
01:13:28,410 --> 01:13:31,410
um Yeah, and then again, you

2377
01:13:31,410 --> 01:13:33,513
know, parking. Um, We can, you

2378
01:13:33,513 --> 01:13:35,514
know, of course, an additional

2379
01:13:35,514 --> 01:13:36,149
house on, you know, subdivided

2380
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:38,351
lot does require additional

2381
01:13:38,351 --> 01:13:40,921
parking, but other than that,

2382
01:13:40,921 --> 01:13:43,190
um, you know, additions. Or, uh,

2383
01:13:43,190 --> 01:13:44,240
attached dwelling units, I

2384
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:46,126
believe are under similar

2385
01:13:46,126 --> 01:13:46,759
conditions, they have to

2386
01:13:46,759 --> 01:13:47,527
fulfill the parking

2387
01:13:47,527 --> 01:13:49,997
requirements for, you know, the

2388
01:13:49,997 --> 01:13:51,331
house. Um, but don

2389
01:13:51,331 --> 01:13:52,264
t have to

2390
01:13:52,264 --> 01:13:54,834
add additional spots for those,

2391
01:13:54,834 --> 01:13:57,303
is that right? Yeah, so. Um,

2392
01:13:57,303 --> 01:13:57,504
from that perspective, I see

2393
01:13:57,504 --> 01:13:58,638
what

2394
01:13:58,638 --> 01:13:59,572
s proposed as really only

2395
01:13:59,572 --> 01:14:02,809
fair to the homeowners in the

2396
01:14:02,809 --> 01:14:05,209
city. Council member Hardy

2397
01:14:05,912 --> 01:14:07,447
Chandler. So I wanna thank you

2398
01:14:07,447 --> 01:14:10,417
for the report, and I also want

2399
01:14:10,417 --> 01:14:12,251
to, um, thank you for certainly

2400
01:14:12,251 --> 01:14:14,621
following up on the wide array

2401
01:14:14,621 --> 01:14:16,522
of questions that we had, I

2402
01:14:16,522 --> 01:14:17,958
know I was particularly

2403
01:14:17,958 --> 01:14:18,991
interested in looking at our

2404
01:14:18,991 --> 01:14:19,258
neighbors and what

2405
01:14:19,258 --> 01:14:21,258
s happening

2406
01:14:21,261 --> 01:14:24,261
around there, um, I was

2407
01:14:24,765 --> 01:14:26,990
surprised that the low numbers,

2408
01:14:26,990 --> 01:14:28,535
um, that are pretty consistent

2409
01:14:28,535 --> 01:14:28,702
across this region, um, so

2410
01:14:28,702 --> 01:14:30,570
we

2411
01:14:30,570 --> 01:14:31,938
re talking about 50 pos

2412
01:14:31,938 --> 01:14:33,673
possibly 50 over the course of

2413
01:14:33,673 --> 01:14:36,410
10 years when we go back to the

2414
01:14:36,410 --> 01:14:37,476
parking, is there any

2415
01:14:37,476 --> 01:14:39,876
Indication that, uh, the

2416
01:14:41,515 --> 01:14:42,950
existing Uh, Dwelling units

2417
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:44,384
that are attached, are they

2418
01:14:44,384 --> 01:14:46,453
clustered in our city in any

2419
01:14:46,453 --> 01:14:47,821
way, or are they spread

2420
01:14:47,821 --> 01:14:49,689
dispersed throughout our city.

2421
01:14:49,689 --> 01:14:50,290
They, they are, they are spread

2422
01:14:50,290 --> 01:14:51,692
out. There

2423
01:14:51,692 --> 01:14:54,920
s about 2 dozen or,

2424
01:14:54,628 --> 01:14:54,794
or so, and, and there

2425
01:14:54,794 --> 01:14:55,928
s no

2426
01:14:55,928 --> 01:14:56,529
neighborhood pattern, no

2427
01:14:56,529 --> 01:14:58,310
geographic pattern to where

2428
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:58,332
they are. And and there

2429
01:14:58,332 --> 01:14:59,399
s the

2430
01:14:59,399 --> 01:15:01,702
expectation that this would

2431
01:15:01,702 --> 01:15:01,902
follow that same pattern or

2432
01:15:01,902 --> 01:15:02,736
there

2433
01:15:02,736 --> 01:15:04,171
s no information to

2434
01:15:04,171 --> 01:15:05,672
indicate that these might be

2435
01:15:05,672 --> 01:15:08,720
just clustered in one

2436
01:15:08,442 --> 01:15:09,776
neighborhood, causing some kind

2437
01:15:09,776 --> 01:15:11,812
of parking problem for at 5 a

2438
01:15:11,812 --> 01:15:12,679
year. Right, there

2439
01:15:12,679 --> 01:15:12,878
s no,

2440
01:15:12,878 --> 01:15:13,914
there

2441
01:15:13,914 --> 01:15:16,914
s not a unique enough

2442
01:15:17,417 --> 01:15:18,170
element, uh, to, to say that

2443
01:15:18,170 --> 01:15:19,619
certain neighborhoods would

2444
01:15:19,619 --> 01:15:21,754
only, you know, be suitable for

2445
01:15:21,754 --> 01:15:24,790
these or, or not, yeah, and I

2446
01:15:24,790 --> 01:15:27,590
go back to just sort of our

2447
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:29,960
general desire to have a wide

2448
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:30,896
variety of housing options, um,

2449
01:15:30,896 --> 01:15:32,666
and our policy of, or our

2450
01:15:32,666 --> 01:15:34,267
desired policy, or aspiration

2451
01:15:34,267 --> 01:15:35,869
of wanting to have people who

2452
01:15:35,869 --> 01:15:38,104
are single family owners,

2453
01:15:38,104 --> 01:15:40,600
accommodate, uh, renters, those

2454
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:42,241
kinds of things, I see this as

2455
01:15:42,241 --> 01:15:42,409
another viable option it is.

2456
01:15:42,409 --> 01:15:44,176
Isn

2457
01:15:44,176 --> 01:15:46,480
t a huge option, clearly

2458
01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:47,681
the data, um, that we requested

2459
01:15:47,681 --> 01:15:49,649
looking at the region shows

2460
01:15:49,649 --> 01:15:52,719
that this is a possibility for

2461
01:15:52,719 --> 01:15:53,720
some, um, but it opens up an

2462
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,120
opportunity for some families.

2463
01:15:56,590 --> 01:15:58,191
i know of a neighbor who has an

2464
01:15:58,191 --> 01:16:00,427
attached dwelling unit and the

2465
01:16:00,427 --> 01:16:01,861
prior owner of the house is

2466
01:16:01,861 --> 01:16:03,830
living in that and her children

2467
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:03,996
are living in the main house,

2468
01:16:03,996 --> 01:16:05,766
it

2469
01:16:05,766 --> 01:16:07,934
s a wonderful arrangement,

2470
01:16:07,934 --> 01:16:10,137
these kinds of opportunities

2471
01:16:10,137 --> 01:16:13,137
for homeowners, um, are ones

2472
01:16:13,172 --> 01:16:13,340
that I Absolutely support.

2473
01:16:13,340 --> 01:16:15,410
We

2474
01:16:15,410 --> 01:16:15,574
re not talking about large

2475
01:16:15,574 --> 01:16:16,475
volumes, we

2476
01:16:16,475 --> 01:16:18,475
re not talking

2477
01:16:20,130 --> 01:16:21,548
about, um, you know, ah. Every

2478
01:16:21,548 --> 01:16:21,647
household having a hill that

2479
01:16:21,647 --> 01:16:22,816
s

2480
01:16:22,816 --> 01:16:23,784
gonna distort, uh, the height,

2481
01:16:23,784 --> 01:16:24,718
but I do think we

2482
01:16:24,718 --> 01:16:25,451
re talking

2483
01:16:25,451 --> 01:16:25,551
about an opportunity that

2484
01:16:25,551 --> 01:16:27,120
s

2485
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:29,220
going to make a major

2486
01:16:29,220 --> 01:16:30,524
difference, uh, for families

2487
01:16:30,524 --> 01:16:32,250
that choose this option, so

2488
01:16:32,250 --> 01:16:34,270
thank you for your report, I

2489
01:16:34,270 --> 01:16:35,950
appreciate all of the, um,

2490
01:16:35,950 --> 01:16:37,363
information that you gathered

2491
01:16:37,363 --> 01:16:39,763
to answer our questions.

2492
01:16:42,803 --> 01:16:45,203
Council member Peterson. So

2493
01:16:47,974 --> 01:16:50,310
what is the list of different

2494
01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:51,645
Permits that um the homeowner

2495
01:16:51,645 --> 01:16:53,981
would have to obtain to

2496
01:16:53,981 --> 01:16:56,981
actually put in place Detached

2497
01:16:57,384 --> 01:16:59,180
adu. From a zoning perspective,

2498
01:16:59,180 --> 01:17:02,155
there would be a zoning permit,

2499
01:17:02,155 --> 01:17:03,123
and then there would be code

2500
01:17:03,123 --> 01:17:04,558
administration building permits

2501
01:17:04,558 --> 01:17:05,559
as needed, so just, just like

2502
01:17:05,559 --> 01:17:07,761
any, any other construction

2503
01:17:07,761 --> 01:17:08,562
project. And that is the

2504
01:17:08,562 --> 01:17:10,962
equivalent of a construction

2505
01:17:12,132 --> 01:17:15,200
permit. Correct. Ok, so those

2506
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:17,838
are 2, all right, um. And just,

2507
01:17:17,838 --> 01:17:18,504
I think one quick note on the

2508
01:17:18,504 --> 01:17:20,306
special use permit question.

2509
01:17:20,306 --> 01:17:22,475
One thing that seems a little

2510
01:17:22,475 --> 01:17:25,475
bit different here is a

2511
01:17:25,912 --> 01:17:26,680
detached uh adu. Has proximity

2512
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:29,160
implications for neighbors that

2513
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:31,184
are different than an attached

2514
01:17:31,184 --> 01:17:33,153
adu and that MAY raise the bar

2515
01:17:33,153 --> 01:17:35,122
a little bit in terms of

2516
01:17:35,122 --> 01:17:36,560
reactions that people have in

2517
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:38,456
terms of something being

2518
01:17:38,491 --> 01:17:38,925
proposed and built, so it

2519
01:17:38,925 --> 01:17:39,558
s

2520
01:17:39,558 --> 01:17:41,361
probably worth considering as

2521
01:17:41,361 --> 01:17:42,428
we think about whether or not a

2522
01:17:42,428 --> 01:17:45,197
special use permit is something

2523
01:17:45,197 --> 01:17:46,365
that we should do. I, I would

2524
01:17:46,365 --> 01:17:47,301
like to go back to the parking

2525
01:17:47,301 --> 01:17:47,734
issue and I know we

2526
01:17:47,734 --> 01:17:49,336
ve said a

2527
01:17:49,336 --> 01:17:51,538
lot about it, but, uh, and I

2528
01:17:51,538 --> 01:17:53,340
just want to say also I

2529
01:17:53,340 --> 01:17:54,341
appreciate very much, um, we

2530
01:17:54,341 --> 01:17:57,843
had an opportunity to have some

2531
01:17:57,843 --> 01:17:58,679
staff. Briefings on this and

2532
01:17:58,679 --> 01:18:00,279
had some conversation around

2533
01:18:00,279 --> 01:18:00,713
street parking. And I

2534
01:18:00,713 --> 01:18:02,449
d like to

2535
01:18:02,449 --> 01:18:03,282
go back and just understand

2536
01:18:03,282 --> 01:18:04,284
there, there

2537
01:18:04,284 --> 01:18:06,684
s a potential, at

2538
01:18:06,852 --> 01:18:07,540
least in some places. That

2539
01:18:07,540 --> 01:18:09,540
there

2540
01:18:09,188 --> 01:18:10,924
s a risk that the amount

2541
01:18:10,924 --> 01:18:12,859
of street parking would

2542
01:18:12,859 --> 01:18:14,270
increase in certain locations.

2543
01:18:14,270 --> 01:18:16,262
It could be for a couple of

2544
01:18:16,262 --> 01:18:16,430
different reasons, there just

2545
01:18:16,430 --> 01:18:16,896
isn

2546
01:18:16,896 --> 01:18:18,896
t sufficient expansion

2547
01:18:19,700 --> 01:18:19,899
capacity on the lot, whatever,

2548
01:18:19,899 --> 01:18:20,834
what

2549
01:18:20,834 --> 01:18:24,434
s the remedy if that does

2550
01:18:24,705 --> 01:18:25,672
appear to be the case. So a, a

2551
01:18:25,672 --> 01:18:26,707
remedy from a neighborhood

2552
01:18:26,707 --> 01:18:27,541
perspective would be to

2553
01:18:27,541 --> 01:18:31,141
petition the city for a parking

2554
01:18:31,845 --> 01:18:33,647
district. Uh, so that, that

2555
01:18:33,647 --> 01:18:37,247
would be if, if a neighborhood

2556
01:18:37,651 --> 01:18:40,253
has. A parking problem that is

2557
01:18:40,253 --> 01:18:43,853
the remedy that the city has

2558
01:18:44,910 --> 01:18:44,491
established, is, is that the?

2559
01:18:44,491 --> 01:18:46,491
Answer that you

2560
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:48,280
re Looking for.

2561
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:48,894
Well, I

2562
01:18:48,894 --> 01:18:49,730
m not sure what the

2563
01:18:49,730 --> 01:18:50,664
answer is, I

2564
01:18:50,664 --> 01:18:52,566
m just needing to,

2565
01:18:52,566 --> 01:18:54,670
you know, understand for those

2566
01:18:54,670 --> 01:18:55,901
situations where that could be

2567
01:18:55,901 --> 01:18:58,337
a problem, where that goes in

2568
01:18:58,337 --> 01:18:59,600
terms of being able to address

2569
01:18:59,600 --> 01:18:59,873
it, um, I

2570
01:18:59,873 --> 01:18:59,972
m not sure what

2571
01:18:59,972 --> 01:19:01,375
s

2572
01:19:01,375 --> 01:19:04,244
involved in becoming a parking

2573
01:19:04,244 --> 01:19:05,145
district, but I just wonder, um,

2574
01:19:05,145 --> 01:19:07,281
maybe this gets back also to

2575
01:19:07,281 --> 01:19:10,183
the question mark. About a

2576
01:19:10,183 --> 01:19:12,119
special use permit. Is that a

2577
01:19:12,119 --> 01:19:14,860
way in which that kind of a

2578
01:19:14,860 --> 01:19:15,488
situation would be caught and

2579
01:19:15,488 --> 01:19:19,393
addressed if it is that one of

2580
01:19:19,393 --> 01:19:20,526
the options for that or no? I,

2581
01:19:20,526 --> 01:19:21,161
I suppose that

2582
01:19:21,161 --> 01:19:21,762
s a

2583
01:19:21,762 --> 01:19:23,762
consideration that counsel

2584
01:19:25,699 --> 01:19:27,340
could Use in a special use

2585
01:19:27,340 --> 01:19:30,634
permit situation if, if, if it

2586
01:19:30,670 --> 01:19:32,873
was a special use permit. Ok,

2587
01:19:32,873 --> 01:19:36,376
and the issue is not that there

2588
01:19:36,376 --> 01:19:37,610
would be So many detached ADUs

2589
01:19:37,610 --> 01:19:39,479
in one place that it would

2590
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:40,447
contribute to volume. The issue

2591
01:19:40,447 --> 01:19:40,614
is more site-specific where

2592
01:19:40,614 --> 01:19:41,949
you

2593
01:19:41,949 --> 01:19:43,160
d have a circumstance where

2594
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:44,283
there just isn

2595
01:19:44,283 --> 01:19:45,180
t a

2596
01:19:45,180 --> 01:19:45,785
configuration for off-street

2597
01:19:45,785 --> 01:19:46,186
parking sufficient, so you

2598
01:19:46,186 --> 01:19:47,621
re

2599
01:19:47,621 --> 01:19:49,560
forcing it on street where you

2600
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:50,524
already MAY have it, so it

2601
01:19:50,524 --> 01:19:51,958
stretches that, yeah, so, so

2602
01:19:51,958 --> 01:19:53,860
the the special use permit

2603
01:19:53,860 --> 01:19:54,594
being at the discretion of

2604
01:19:54,594 --> 01:19:54,994
counsel, counsel can pick and

2605
01:19:54,994 --> 01:19:55,862
choose, and that

2606
01:19:55,862 --> 01:19:56,630
s the plus and

2607
01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:57,229
that

2608
01:19:57,229 --> 01:19:58,764
s the minus of the special

2609
01:19:58,764 --> 01:20:00,000
use permit, you know, the plus

2610
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,600
side, it is the council can

2611
01:20:03,637 --> 01:20:06,370
make that. Spot determination,

2612
01:20:07,440 --> 01:20:07,708
you know, the downside from a

2613
01:20:07,708 --> 01:20:08,475
homeowner

2614
01:20:08,475 --> 01:20:09,910
s perspective is the

2615
01:20:09,910 --> 01:20:11,278
unknown that that they have to

2616
01:20:11,278 --> 01:20:14,878
go to city council and petition

2617
01:20:16,750 --> 01:20:18,317
for this to be done. Right. If

2618
01:20:18,317 --> 01:20:19,720
I could just switch gears to

2619
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:23,320
the numbers game a little bit,

2620
01:20:24,524 --> 01:20:25,524
I think the Thank you for doing

2621
01:20:25,524 --> 01:20:27,828
the assessments there are 2 of

2622
01:20:27,828 --> 01:20:31,832
them that I think we asked for

2623
01:20:31,832 --> 01:20:34,670
that, uh, very helpful. One is.

2624
01:20:34,670 --> 01:20:35,235
The effect on property

2625
01:20:35,235 --> 01:20:36,236
assessments for uh people who

2626
01:20:36,236 --> 01:20:37,304
choose not to build just

2627
01:20:37,304 --> 01:20:39,720
because the legal option is

2628
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:39,271
created and it looks like

2629
01:20:39,271 --> 01:20:41,271
that

2630
01:20:41,908 --> 01:20:42,108
s a non-issue. Uh, but

2631
01:20:42,108 --> 01:20:43,310
there

2632
01:20:43,310 --> 01:20:46,612
s a little bit of a

2633
01:20:46,612 --> 01:20:50,212
caveat in that I think are.

2634
01:20:50,317 --> 01:20:51,717
Comparative data on this. Is

2635
01:20:51,717 --> 01:20:52,785
coming from places that are

2636
01:20:52,785 --> 01:20:54,540
inside the Beltway,

2637
01:20:54,540 --> 01:20:54,755
predominantly the outside the

2638
01:20:54,755 --> 01:20:55,988
Beltway with Fairfax County is

2639
01:20:55,988 --> 01:20:58,424
a little bit different because

2640
01:20:58,424 --> 01:20:58,624
those are 2 acre lot minimums,

2641
01:20:58,624 --> 01:21:00,624
so we

2642
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:02,729
re a little bit different

2643
01:21:02,729 --> 01:21:02,929
territory. Sounds like it

2644
01:21:02,929 --> 01:21:03,763
doesn

2645
01:21:03,763 --> 01:21:05,231
t look like there would

2646
01:21:05,231 --> 01:21:05,798
be an issue here, but I just

2647
01:21:05,798 --> 01:21:06,799
want to note there

2648
01:21:06,799 --> 01:21:08,799
s a little

2649
01:21:09,735 --> 01:21:12,539
bit of um. Variation in the

2650
01:21:12,539 --> 01:21:13,673
data sources here. The other

2651
01:21:13,673 --> 01:21:15,408
thing is the numbers and if I

2652
01:21:15,408 --> 01:21:17,710
understand at the end of the

2653
01:21:17,710 --> 01:21:19,545
day, our best estimate again

2654
01:21:19,545 --> 01:21:21,614
with some of the same

2655
01:21:21,614 --> 01:21:22,449
Uncertainty. Because of apples

2656
01:21:22,449 --> 01:21:22,849
and oranges here, we

2657
01:21:22,849 --> 01:21:24,849
re looking

2658
01:21:25,251 --> 01:21:29,256
at like maybe 5 a year. Is that

2659
01:21:29,256 --> 01:21:30,890
where this landed, right? Ok.

2660
01:21:30,890 --> 01:21:32,259
Helpful to know for a couple of

2661
01:21:32,259 --> 01:21:32,626
different reasons, it doesn

2662
01:21:32,626 --> 01:21:34,626
t

2663
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:38,765
look like there is likely to be

2664
01:21:38,765 --> 01:21:41,234
a land rush, um, but it also

2665
01:21:41,234 --> 01:21:42,669
looks like 5 a year. Is a

2666
01:21:42,669 --> 01:21:44,700
manageable number if it was

2667
01:21:44,700 --> 01:21:45,571
determined that we did need to

2668
01:21:45,571 --> 01:21:45,806
do a special use permit, so it

2669
01:21:45,806 --> 01:21:46,473
wouldn

2670
01:21:46,473 --> 01:21:47,700
t be an overwhelming

2671
01:21:47,700 --> 01:21:47,974
surge. I

2672
01:21:47,974 --> 01:21:50,974
m not arguing for or

2673
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:51,144
against at this stage, except

2674
01:21:51,144 --> 01:21:53,144
I

2675
01:21:54,314 --> 01:21:56,116
m sympathetic to the concerns

2676
01:21:56,116 --> 01:21:57,117
that arise and lead to the need

2677
01:21:57,117 --> 01:21:59,419
possibly for a special use

2678
01:21:59,419 --> 01:22:01,887
permit here. I think the other

2679
01:22:01,887 --> 01:22:04,423
thing that when we discuss this,

2680
01:22:04,423 --> 01:22:06,393
it was just helpful, um. Know

2681
01:22:06,393 --> 01:22:08,160
is this, uh, while we do have

2682
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:09,196
attached ADUs. We have a lot of

2683
01:22:09,196 --> 01:22:11,497
experience with that. The

2684
01:22:11,497 --> 01:22:13,650
detached AUs are a little bit

2685
01:22:13,650 --> 01:22:14,901
different ballgame, not exactly

2686
01:22:14,901 --> 01:22:16,300
the same, and it sounds like

2687
01:22:16,300 --> 01:22:17,838
there is some merit in taking

2688
01:22:17,838 --> 01:22:21,173
it a step at a time in terms of

2689
01:22:21,173 --> 01:22:23,543
how we implement a new policy

2690
01:22:23,543 --> 01:22:24,511
so that we are going through a

2691
01:22:24,511 --> 01:22:25,946
process of discovery in terms

2692
01:22:25,946 --> 01:22:27,470
of how this works and being

2693
01:22:27,470 --> 01:22:28,815
cautious at the early stages

2694
01:22:28,815 --> 01:22:30,816
until we get a better feel for

2695
01:22:30,816 --> 01:22:32,286
what we are really in for in

2696
01:22:32,286 --> 01:22:32,919
terms of the volume, the

2697
01:22:32,919 --> 01:22:34,388
complexity, the impacts, and

2698
01:22:34,388 --> 01:22:34,854
all that. I don

2699
01:22:34,854 --> 01:22:36,290
t want to

2700
01:22:36,290 --> 01:22:36,555
overplay it because at 5 a year

2701
01:22:36,555 --> 01:22:37,291
it doesn

2702
01:22:37,291 --> 01:22:40,291
t sound like a big

2703
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:42,329
deal. On the other hand, that,

2704
01:22:42,329 --> 01:22:44,631
um, it does sound like it would

2705
01:22:44,631 --> 01:22:45,699
be prudent to Approach this in

2706
01:22:45,699 --> 01:22:47,501
a way that is a little bit step

2707
01:22:47,501 --> 01:22:48,802
at a time and helps us get the

2708
01:22:48,802 --> 01:22:50,971
feedback we need to determine

2709
01:22:50,971 --> 01:22:52,805
whether or not and at what

2710
01:22:52,805 --> 01:22:53,807
point, um, this can be a more

2711
01:22:53,807 --> 01:22:55,675
automated, if you will,

2712
01:22:55,675 --> 01:22:58,211
approach to this that would

2713
01:22:58,211 --> 01:22:59,313
argue again back for at least

2714
01:22:59,313 --> 01:23:00,647
considering the possibility of

2715
01:23:00,647 --> 01:23:02,449
special use permit in the early

2716
01:23:02,449 --> 01:23:03,950
stages to see how this goes,

2717
01:23:03,950 --> 01:23:05,786
but I didn

2718
01:23:05,786 --> 01:23:06,385
t want to just bring

2719
01:23:06,385 --> 01:23:07,688
that conversation forward

2720
01:23:07,688 --> 01:23:09,623
because I appreciate the fact

2721
01:23:09,623 --> 01:23:11,658
that we talked about that and

2722
01:23:11,658 --> 01:23:12,326
that from a policy

2723
01:23:12,326 --> 01:23:12,492
implementation perspective that

2724
01:23:12,492 --> 01:23:13,930
it

2725
01:23:13,930 --> 01:23:16,630
s almost like treating this

2726
01:23:16,630 --> 01:23:16,863
as a pile. And taking some

2727
01:23:16,863 --> 01:23:19,863
special care in its early

2728
01:23:21,101 --> 01:23:24,710
stages. Uh, otherwise, uh, do

2729
01:23:24,710 --> 01:23:24,437
wanna thank you for. All of the

2730
01:23:24,437 --> 01:23:24,770
work that you

2731
01:23:24,770 --> 01:23:24,972
ve done here,

2732
01:23:24,972 --> 01:23:25,973
there

2733
01:23:25,973 --> 01:23:28,400
s been a lot of

2734
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:28,241
assessment, it

2735
01:23:28,241 --> 01:23:29,142
s been

2736
01:23:29,142 --> 01:23:29,342
responsive and, uh, there

2737
01:23:29,342 --> 01:23:31,342
s

2738
01:23:32,211 --> 01:23:33,713
been a lot of work done on both

2739
01:23:33,713 --> 01:23:34,715
the design and the assessment

2740
01:23:34,715 --> 01:23:36,783
side of this that I think has

2741
01:23:36,783 --> 01:23:39,783
been very helpful, so much

2742
01:23:40,419 --> 01:23:41,655
appreciated. Thank you. Council

2743
01:23:41,655 --> 01:23:43,590
member Hall, thank you. Excuse

2744
01:23:43,590 --> 01:23:44,625
me, thank you. I just had one

2745
01:23:44,625 --> 01:23:46,525
follow-up question, um, I just

2746
01:23:46,525 --> 01:23:47,861
did a quick search and it looks

2747
01:23:47,861 --> 01:23:50,197
like the special use permit is

2748
01:23:50,197 --> 01:23:51,598
$600. Does that sound ok, that

2749
01:23:51,598 --> 01:23:52,531
might might be correct. I

2750
01:23:52,531 --> 01:23:52,666
m,

2751
01:23:52,666 --> 01:23:53,567
I

2752
01:23:53,567 --> 01:23:54,935
m not certain offhand. Ok,

2753
01:23:54,935 --> 01:23:56,836
yeah, no, I just wanted to see

2754
01:23:56,836 --> 01:23:57,871
what it was, um, and I also did

2755
01:23:57,871 --> 01:23:59,306
some additional research and it

2756
01:23:59,306 --> 01:24:00,272
looks like to build a 400

2757
01:24:00,272 --> 01:24:00,674
square foot house, you

2758
01:24:00,674 --> 01:24:02,674
re

2759
01:24:04,176 --> 01:24:05,911
looking between 1 and 75,000

2760
01:24:05,911 --> 01:24:08,911
and $275,000 and to build an

2761
01:24:09,783 --> 01:24:12,652
800 to 1000 sq ft adu looking

2762
01:24:12,652 --> 01:24:13,553
at 300,000 to 450,000, so I do

2763
01:24:13,553 --> 01:24:16,553
recognize that 600 is an extra

2764
01:24:17,356 --> 01:24:18,792
fee. But I feel like for people

2765
01:24:18,792 --> 01:24:20,393
that are likely going to be

2766
01:24:20,393 --> 01:24:21,728
doing this, $600 is kind of a

2767
01:24:21,728 --> 01:24:23,697
drop in the bucket with all of

2768
01:24:23,697 --> 01:24:25,265
the other costs. So I still

2769
01:24:25,265 --> 01:24:27,665
strongly support, uh, special

2770
01:24:28,100 --> 01:24:30,470
use permit. Thank you. Thank

2771
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:31,905
you for the presentation. I do,

2772
01:24:31,905 --> 01:24:33,372
uh, agree it was thorough and

2773
01:24:33,372 --> 01:24:35,175
you did answer questions that

2774
01:24:35,175 --> 01:24:36,610
previously came up in the work

2775
01:24:36,610 --> 01:24:37,811
session. As far as the parking

2776
01:24:37,811 --> 01:24:39,546
goes, there is a parking

2777
01:24:39,546 --> 01:24:41,414
problem. We have a lot of

2778
01:24:41,414 --> 01:24:43,382
rentals in the city that have

2779
01:24:43,382 --> 01:24:43,583
college students in them. And

2780
01:24:43,583 --> 01:24:45,583
there

2781
01:24:45,851 --> 01:24:48,188
s no mechanism for

2782
01:24:48,188 --> 01:24:50,123
enforcing limitations on how

2783
01:24:50,123 --> 01:24:50,791
many vehicles a rental can have.

2784
01:24:50,791 --> 01:24:51,358
So what we

2785
01:24:51,358 --> 01:24:52,125
re basically saying

2786
01:24:52,125 --> 01:24:52,492
is, if there

2787
01:24:52,492 --> 01:24:53,726
s a parking

2788
01:24:53,726 --> 01:24:55,461
problem in a neighborhood

2789
01:24:55,461 --> 01:24:56,330
because we have a rental with

2790
01:24:56,330 --> 01:24:56,964
no mechanism for limiting the

2791
01:24:56,964 --> 01:24:57,129
number of vehicles, whether

2792
01:24:57,129 --> 01:24:59,129
it

2793
01:24:59,966 --> 01:25:00,670
s 345 or 6. Instead, we

2794
01:25:00,670 --> 01:25:02,670
re

2795
01:25:04,237 --> 01:25:06,640
going to The burden on an adu

2796
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:07,841
to meet these requirements. We

2797
01:25:07,841 --> 01:25:11,410
have a parking issue. I grant

2798
01:25:11,410 --> 01:25:13,413
you. But, but giving a free

2799
01:25:13,413 --> 01:25:16,283
pass to renters in this city

2800
01:25:16,283 --> 01:25:17,718
and putting the burden on

2801
01:25:17,718 --> 01:25:18,784
renters of an adu or even not

2802
01:25:18,784 --> 01:25:18,951
even renters because I think

2803
01:25:18,951 --> 01:25:19,619
we

2804
01:25:19,619 --> 01:25:21,687
re overlooking the fact that

2805
01:25:21,687 --> 01:25:23,560
a lot of these ADUs MAY be for

2806
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:23,223
family use and they

2807
01:25:23,223 --> 01:25:25,920
re not

2808
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:25,258
rental properties at all. I

2809
01:25:25,258 --> 01:25:26,926
don

2810
01:25:26,926 --> 01:25:28,562
t think there should be a

2811
01:25:28,562 --> 01:25:30,764
greater burden on properties

2812
01:25:30,764 --> 01:25:32,231
with an adu, then we are

2813
01:25:32,231 --> 01:25:33,266
placing on lots of rental

2814
01:25:33,266 --> 01:25:34,467
properties that have lots of

2815
01:25:34,467 --> 01:25:38,670
vehicles. So that would be my

2816
01:25:38,305 --> 01:25:40,400
feedback. On that, um, and as

2817
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:44,760
far as as the buy right use of

2818
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:46,790
a of building an adu, the city

2819
01:25:46,790 --> 01:25:47,981
is full of yards that have

2820
01:25:47,981 --> 01:25:48,981
sheds and garages and lots of

2821
01:25:48,981 --> 01:25:50,951
external uses that are the

2822
01:25:50,951 --> 01:25:52,351
basic footprint. Not maybe not

2823
01:25:52,351 --> 01:25:52,986
the height of the square foot,

2824
01:25:52,986 --> 01:25:53,687
basic footprint of we

2825
01:25:53,687 --> 01:25:54,187
re talk,

2826
01:25:54,187 --> 01:25:55,154
what we

2827
01:25:55,154 --> 01:25:56,156
re talking about with

2828
01:25:56,156 --> 01:25:58,557
an accessory dwelling unit. And

2829
01:25:58,557 --> 01:25:59,659
while there might not be people

2830
01:25:59,659 --> 01:26:01,962
Living in there, the fact of

2831
01:26:01,962 --> 01:26:03,300
the matter is, the city is full

2832
01:26:03,300 --> 01:26:04,531
of yards that have sheds and

2833
01:26:04,531 --> 01:26:06,300
garages in them, and, and no

2834
01:26:06,300 --> 01:26:08,200
one came to us to ask if we

2835
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:09,703
like the design or the location

2836
01:26:09,703 --> 01:26:11,171
or anything else. We can do it

2837
01:26:11,171 --> 01:26:12,706
by right. We can do it by right

2838
01:26:12,706 --> 01:26:14,941
because we own the property.

2839
01:26:14,941 --> 01:26:16,543
And so I do have an issue with,

2840
01:26:16,543 --> 01:26:19,212
with thinking that that this

2841
01:26:19,212 --> 01:26:19,413
dias, or any dias or every dias

2842
01:26:19,413 --> 01:26:20,647
that

2843
01:26:20,647 --> 01:26:22,249
s elected every other year,

2844
01:26:22,249 --> 01:26:24,840
should have an up or down vote

2845
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:25,117
on what people want to build in

2846
01:26:25,117 --> 01:26:25,585
their yard because we don

2847
01:26:25,585 --> 01:26:27,187
t do

2848
01:26:27,187 --> 01:26:27,386
that for the other structures

2849
01:26:27,386 --> 01:26:27,888
they

2850
01:26:27,888 --> 01:26:30,220
re currently building in

2851
01:26:30,220 --> 01:26:32,426
their yard. So I fully support

2852
01:26:32,426 --> 01:26:34,227
the fact that 2 parking spaces

2853
01:26:34,227 --> 01:26:36,262
is adequate, understanding that

2854
01:26:36,262 --> 01:26:37,230
parking is, is not an

2855
01:26:37,230 --> 01:26:37,731
insignificant issue for

2856
01:26:37,731 --> 01:26:37,831
neighborhoods, but we

2857
01:26:37,831 --> 01:26:39,831
ve

2858
01:26:40,167 --> 01:26:41,568
already got a problem with

2859
01:26:41,568 --> 01:26:43,200
vehicles for rental properties

2860
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:45,404
anyway. And the fact that it

2861
01:26:45,404 --> 01:26:46,440
should be by right because at

2862
01:26:46,440 --> 01:26:48,208
$300,000 we are not going to

2863
01:26:48,208 --> 01:26:51,211
have a lot of people who invest

2864
01:26:51,211 --> 01:26:53,179
in that. Think to yourself, if

2865
01:26:53,179 --> 01:26:54,181
you build something for

2866
01:26:54,181 --> 01:26:54,647
$300,000 how many renters you

2867
01:26:54,647 --> 01:26:56,483
d

2868
01:26:56,483 --> 01:26:57,618
have to have over what period

2869
01:26:57,618 --> 01:27:00,387
of time to make your investment

2870
01:27:00,387 --> 01:27:02,122
back. My feeling is probably

2871
01:27:02,122 --> 01:27:05,722
that people are going to choose

2872
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:07,594
this because they have

2873
01:27:07,594 --> 01:27:09,594
Significantly greater reasons

2874
01:27:10,262 --> 01:27:12,164
having to do with their family

2875
01:27:12,164 --> 01:27:13,933
to invest $300,000 and that it

2876
01:27:13,933 --> 01:27:15,635
is not a money-making

2877
01:27:15,635 --> 01:27:16,736
enterprise because that kind of

2878
01:27:16,736 --> 01:27:18,736
money-making enterprise makes

2879
01:27:19,306 --> 01:27:20,906
no sense financially. So just

2880
01:27:20,906 --> 01:27:22,476
putting that out there. And

2881
01:27:22,476 --> 01:27:26,676
with that, I will ask if there

2882
01:27:27,481 --> 01:27:29,716
is a motion. Oh, sorry, public

2883
01:27:29,716 --> 01:27:31,351
hearing, hearing. Skipped a

2884
01:27:31,351 --> 01:27:32,718
step, sorry. Ok, I will open

2885
01:27:32,718 --> 01:27:33,686
the public hearing, MISS

2886
01:27:33,686 --> 01:27:34,287
Shenenbury has this public

2887
01:27:34,287 --> 01:27:36,230
hearing been properly

2888
01:27:36,230 --> 01:27:37,857
advertised? Yes it has. Someone

2889
01:27:37,857 --> 01:27:38,958
has signed up prior to the

2890
01:27:38,958 --> 01:27:39,892
meeting to speak, and then

2891
01:27:39,892 --> 01:27:39,993
after that person speaks, we

2892
01:27:39,993 --> 01:27:40,560
ll

2893
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:40,761
open the floor if there

2894
01:27:40,761 --> 01:27:42,194
s

2895
01:27:42,194 --> 01:27:44,131
anybody else in the room, so

2896
01:27:44,131 --> 01:27:44,797
the one person that spoke is

2897
01:27:44,797 --> 01:27:45,164
Katie Johnson, or we

2898
01:27:45,164 --> 01:27:47,164
ll be

2899
01:27:56,309 --> 01:27:57,843
speaking with Katie Johnson.

2900
01:27:57,843 --> 01:27:59,713
Katie Johnson and the clerk has

2901
01:27:59,713 --> 01:28:02,715
my address. I came tonight to

2902
01:28:02,715 --> 01:28:04,550
ask that ADOs be approved by

2903
01:28:04,550 --> 01:28:04,651
special use permit. I, I

2904
01:28:04,651 --> 01:28:06,651
m

2905
01:28:07,420 --> 01:28:07,721
happy to hear, um, council

2906
01:28:07,721 --> 01:28:08,554
member Hall

2907
01:28:08,554 --> 01:28:10,954
s concern, I share

2908
01:28:11,580 --> 01:28:12,892
those concerns. I generally

2909
01:28:12,892 --> 01:28:14,628
support ADUs but only with very

2910
01:28:14,628 --> 01:28:17,497
strong guardrails. I asked the

2911
01:28:17,497 --> 01:28:18,465
city to retain the ability to

2912
01:28:18,465 --> 01:28:20,366
ensure appropriateness and

2913
01:28:20,366 --> 01:28:21,368
ensure no negative impacts on

2914
01:28:21,368 --> 01:28:22,468
neighbors or neighborhoods,

2915
01:28:22,468 --> 01:28:24,570
parking is absolutely a concern

2916
01:28:24,570 --> 01:28:25,304
and should have a plan for

2917
01:28:25,304 --> 01:28:27,704
enforcement. Cities should also

2918
01:28:27,773 --> 01:28:30,176
have In place of process much

2919
01:28:30,176 --> 01:28:31,611
like the city retains the right

2920
01:28:31,611 --> 01:28:33,447
to inspect chicken coops. The

2921
01:28:33,447 --> 01:28:35,782
city must have the ability to

2922
01:28:35,782 --> 01:28:37,718
enforce the ordinances. The

2923
01:28:37,718 --> 01:28:38,785
shed on my at my house, I,

2924
01:28:38,785 --> 01:28:39,152
there are places that I cannot

2925
01:28:39,152 --> 01:28:41,540
put my

2926
01:28:41,540 --> 01:28:43,550
. I cannot put my

2927
01:28:43,550 --> 01:28:45,559
in the rpa. I cannot put my

2928
01:28:45,559 --> 01:28:46,859
shed. I had to get special

2929
01:28:46,859 --> 01:28:49,262
exception to put my shed where

2930
01:28:49,262 --> 01:28:51,664
it is. So there are rules about

2931
01:28:51,664 --> 01:28:53,634
where sheds belong, but my

2932
01:28:53,634 --> 01:28:55,134
concern also is we have the

2933
01:28:55,134 --> 01:28:56,436
ability to inspect chicken

2934
01:28:56,436 --> 01:28:58,372
coops to ensure that the

2935
01:28:58,372 --> 01:29:00,273
chickens are safe. Why do we

2936
01:29:00,273 --> 01:29:00,440
not have the same ability. Why

2937
01:29:00,440 --> 01:29:02,208
can

2938
01:29:02,208 --> 01:29:03,576
t the city retain the same

2939
01:29:03,576 --> 01:29:06,346
ability to make sure and ensure

2940
01:29:06,346 --> 01:29:07,513
that the people living in the

2941
01:29:07,513 --> 01:29:11,113
small places are safe as well.

2942
01:29:11,284 --> 01:29:12,152
Thank you. Ok, is there anybody

2943
01:29:12,152 --> 01:29:13,152
else in the room that would

2944
01:29:13,152 --> 01:29:16,752
like to speak on this agenda

2945
01:29:26,466 --> 01:29:27,500
item? Good evening, Mayor Reed,

2946
01:29:27,500 --> 01:29:27,867
members of council. I

2947
01:29:27,867 --> 01:29:29,867
m Jim

2948
01:29:30,470 --> 01:29:31,772
Gillespie. I live at 3604

2949
01:29:31,772 --> 01:29:32,738
Colony Road. Uh, I

2950
01:29:32,738 --> 01:29:34,738
m speaking,

2951
01:29:35,609 --> 01:29:37,710
uh, tonight on behalf, on

2952
01:29:37,710 --> 01:29:39,945
behalf of the adu ordinance

2953
01:29:39,945 --> 01:29:40,146
amendment, um, as we all know,

2954
01:29:40,146 --> 01:29:41,581
there

2955
01:29:41,581 --> 01:29:44,217
s a regional shortage of

2956
01:29:44,217 --> 01:29:44,817
housing, um, housing at all

2957
01:29:44,817 --> 01:29:45,217
price points. There

2958
01:29:45,217 --> 01:29:47,187
s a

2959
01:29:47,187 --> 01:29:47,721
shortage of housing for young

2960
01:29:47,721 --> 01:29:49,890
adults. There

2961
01:29:49,890 --> 01:29:50,890
s a shortage of

2962
01:29:50,890 --> 01:29:51,457
housing for seniors, there

2963
01:29:51,457 --> 01:29:52,859
s a

2964
01:29:52,859 --> 01:29:53,526
shortage of housing for

2965
01:29:53,526 --> 01:29:56,526
everybody in between, and the

2966
01:29:57,497 --> 01:30:00,934
ad eu unit, uh, ordinance would

2967
01:30:00,934 --> 01:30:02,702
be a modest but meaningful, uh,

2968
01:30:02,702 --> 01:30:03,437
step in the direction of

2969
01:30:03,437 --> 01:30:05,837
providing housing for some

2970
01:30:07,941 --> 01:30:10,309
people who need it. Now you MAY

2971
01:30:10,309 --> 01:30:12,346
think 50 housing units over a

2972
01:30:12,346 --> 01:30:13,245
decade or so, uh, well, does

2973
01:30:13,245 --> 01:30:15,215
that really do anything? Well,

2974
01:30:15,215 --> 01:30:16,649
it does a lot for those 50

2975
01:30:16,649 --> 01:30:17,783
people. They are, they are

2976
01:30:17,783 --> 01:30:20,187
getting a home when they did

2977
01:30:20,187 --> 01:30:22,890
not have it before. And I think

2978
01:30:22,890 --> 01:30:23,757
a little bit about, uh, a

2979
01:30:23,757 --> 01:30:26,580
situation in my own extended

2980
01:30:26,580 --> 01:30:28,928
family. Uh, I have a close

2981
01:30:28,928 --> 01:30:30,364
relative who is roughly my age,

2982
01:30:30,364 --> 01:30:33,666
uh, who is disabled, and at

2983
01:30:33,666 --> 01:30:35,569
this point is, uh, living in a

2984
01:30:35,569 --> 01:30:37,969
senior living residence and

2985
01:30:38,104 --> 01:30:39,906
barely affording it, and, um,

2986
01:30:39,906 --> 01:30:41,340
and I think about what it would

2987
01:30:41,340 --> 01:30:44,678
be like to have that person

2988
01:30:44,678 --> 01:30:47,179
come and live in my home, and

2989
01:30:47,179 --> 01:30:48,150
we could make it work, but it

2990
01:30:48,150 --> 01:30:51,184
would be difficult, it would be

2991
01:30:51,184 --> 01:30:54,554
a sacrifice for us. It would be

2992
01:30:54,554 --> 01:30:55,956
a um a real sacrifice to the

2993
01:30:55,956 --> 01:30:59,326
dignity of this person to be a,

2994
01:30:59,326 --> 01:31:01,261
a borderer in my home, uh, and

2995
01:31:01,261 --> 01:31:03,263
an adu kind of arrangement

2996
01:31:03,263 --> 01:31:05,766
would provide that person with

2997
01:31:05,766 --> 01:31:07,500
more autonomy, the, uh, uh,

2998
01:31:07,500 --> 01:31:08,435
feeling of living independently,

2999
01:31:08,435 --> 01:31:10,835
of having more responsibility

3000
01:31:10,837 --> 01:31:12,438
for their own life. So, I thank

3001
01:31:12,438 --> 01:31:13,873
you for all of the work, uh,

3002
01:31:13,873 --> 01:31:16,243
the staff has done for all the

3003
01:31:16,243 --> 01:31:17,710
many efforts that you have done

3004
01:31:17,710 --> 01:31:18,377
to study this issue, to assess

3005
01:31:18,377 --> 01:31:22,577
it, and I hope you will vote

3006
01:31:24,551 --> 01:31:25,285
yes. Thank you. Is there

3007
01:31:25,285 --> 01:31:28,885
anybody else in the room that

3008
01:31:29,623 --> 01:31:33,223
would like to speak? Is their

3009
01:31:33,860 --> 01:31:35,862
emotion. I move to approve an

3010
01:31:35,862 --> 01:31:37,697
ordinance amending chapter 110,

3011
01:31:37,697 --> 01:31:39,633
zoning, to amend portions of

3012
01:31:39,633 --> 01:31:41,635
the article of articles and

3013
01:31:41,635 --> 01:31:42,536
sections contained therein,

3014
01:31:42,536 --> 01:31:44,404
including introductory

3015
01:31:44,404 --> 01:31:45,720
provisions, zoning districts,

3016
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:47,472
and regulations and definitions.

3017
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:50,810
Is there a second. Uh, motion

3018
01:31:50,810 --> 01:31:51,845
has been made by council member

3019
01:31:51,845 --> 01:31:52,912
Hardy Chandler and seconded by

3020
01:31:52,912 --> 01:31:54,681
council member Peterson, a roll

3021
01:31:54,681 --> 01:31:56,830
call vote. Hang on, are we

3022
01:31:56,830 --> 01:31:56,683
gonna have discussion? Oh, is

3023
01:31:56,683 --> 01:31:59,683
there a discussion on the

3024
01:31:59,853 --> 01:32:00,987
motion? Council member Peterson,

3025
01:32:00,987 --> 01:32:02,389
yes, is this something that we

3026
01:32:02,389 --> 01:32:04,524
need to do tonight, or is it

3027
01:32:04,524 --> 01:32:07,193
possible that this could be

3028
01:32:07,193 --> 01:32:08,961
allowed some further public

3029
01:32:08,961 --> 01:32:09,896
review of what we just saw

3030
01:32:09,896 --> 01:32:12,896
tonight before we make a

3031
01:32:13,990 --> 01:32:14,901
decision here. Counsel always

3032
01:32:14,901 --> 01:32:15,835
has the discretion to defer

3033
01:32:15,835 --> 01:32:19,305
action on an item with an

3034
01:32:19,305 --> 01:32:20,907
appropriate motion. And I would

3035
01:32:20,907 --> 01:32:22,242
be interested in the sense of

3036
01:32:22,242 --> 01:32:22,643
the body here, whether that

3037
01:32:22,643 --> 01:32:23,677
s

3038
01:32:23,677 --> 01:32:26,770
something that would be

3039
01:32:26,780 --> 01:32:26,245
acceptable. It does seem that

3040
01:32:26,245 --> 01:32:27,381
We

3041
01:32:27,381 --> 01:32:28,148
re voting on something we

3042
01:32:28,148 --> 01:32:28,515
just saw, I know it

3043
01:32:28,515 --> 01:32:29,149
s been

3044
01:32:29,149 --> 01:32:30,170
around for a while, on the

3045
01:32:30,170 --> 01:32:30,684
other hand, we

3046
01:32:30,684 --> 01:32:31,852
ve seen some new

3047
01:32:31,852 --> 01:32:33,286
information. Do you want to

3048
01:32:33,286 --> 01:32:35,488
make a substitute motion? Is

3049
01:32:35,488 --> 01:32:39,590
that how we would proceed, uh,

3050
01:32:39,590 --> 01:32:41,128
MR. Lubkeman. That would be the

3051
01:32:41,128 --> 01:32:42,940
mechanism do you want to make a

3052
01:32:42,940 --> 01:32:43,562
substitute motion? Yes, and I

3053
01:32:43,562 --> 01:32:45,999
will need help from MR.

3054
01:32:45,999 --> 01:32:47,900
Lubkeman to get the exact

3055
01:32:47,900 --> 01:32:48,402
wording correct, so if I MAY, I

3056
01:32:48,402 --> 01:32:49,360
assume you

3057
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:52,360
ll just be asking to

3058
01:32:53,140 --> 01:32:55,241
defer. Action. On this item to

3059
01:32:55,241 --> 01:32:57,209
a date certain of blank. It, it,

3060
01:32:57,209 --> 01:32:59,479
the next time we get together

3061
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:01,380
next earliest time we get

3062
01:33:01,380 --> 01:33:01,715
together, I think SEPTEMBER, I

3063
01:33:01,715 --> 01:33:02,115
believe that

3064
01:33:02,115 --> 01:33:04,515
d be SEPTEMBER the

3065
01:33:04,685 --> 01:33:05,117
8th. That would be fine from my

3066
01:33:05,117 --> 01:33:06,286
standpoint, but I

3067
01:33:06,286 --> 01:33:08,286
m Need to

3068
01:33:09,823 --> 01:33:10,589
make a motion. Let

3069
01:33:10,589 --> 01:33:11,224
s defer

3070
01:33:11,224 --> 01:33:13,224
consideration until SEPTEMBER

3071
01:33:16,630 --> 01:33:16,330
8th. Is there a second? Second,

3072
01:33:16,330 --> 01:33:17,931
a motion

3073
01:33:17,931 --> 01:33:18,898
s been made by council

3074
01:33:18,898 --> 01:33:20,334
member Peterson and seconded by

3075
01:33:20,334 --> 01:33:22,690
council member Hall, a roll

3076
01:33:22,690 --> 01:33:24,104
call vote. Is there a comment

3077
01:33:24,104 --> 01:33:25,439
available at this time? Do you

3078
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:26,974
want to, yes, discussion on the

3079
01:33:26,974 --> 01:33:29,376
motion. Yeah, I just, I, I

3080
01:33:29,376 --> 01:33:31,410
really, I, I think that we give

3081
01:33:31,410 --> 01:33:32,779
a lot of time for the noise

3082
01:33:32,779 --> 01:33:33,747
ordinance and then the city of

3083
01:33:33,747 --> 01:33:35,749
Fairfax government put out a

3084
01:33:35,749 --> 01:33:38,500
post and people are all up in

3085
01:33:38,500 --> 01:33:39,860
arms about it, um, and I, I

3086
01:33:39,860 --> 01:33:40,153
just think that something of

3087
01:33:40,153 --> 01:33:41,420
this magnitude, while it very

3088
01:33:41,420 --> 01:33:42,990
well MAY pass and people might

3089
01:33:42,990 --> 01:33:45,325
be very, very supportive of it

3090
01:33:45,325 --> 01:33:46,692
I think that the timing of the

3091
01:33:46,692 --> 01:33:47,793
more finalized versions of this

3092
01:33:47,793 --> 01:33:48,128
came out in JUNE. Now we

3093
01:33:48,128 --> 01:33:50,128
re

3094
01:33:51,298 --> 01:33:52,310
doing this in JULY. These are

3095
01:33:52,310 --> 01:33:52,732
historically vacation months.

3096
01:33:52,732 --> 01:33:54,568
People are not here, so I just

3097
01:33:54,568 --> 01:33:55,869
think that We need a little bit

3098
01:33:55,869 --> 01:33:57,771
more time to be able to give

3099
01:33:57,771 --> 01:33:58,105
people to. Understand this, I

3100
01:33:58,105 --> 01:34:00,105
d

3101
01:34:00,507 --> 01:34:01,240
love to see the city put out

3102
01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:02,409
something about this so that we

3103
01:34:02,409 --> 01:34:04,645
can, you know, share it all

3104
01:34:04,645 --> 01:34:05,344
around and, and really garner

3105
01:34:05,344 --> 01:34:06,812
some additional support,

3106
01:34:06,812 --> 01:34:08,315
whether in favor or against,

3107
01:34:08,315 --> 01:34:08,415
just so we know that we

3108
01:34:08,415 --> 01:34:09,750
re

3109
01:34:09,750 --> 01:34:10,850
making a decision with more

3110
01:34:10,850 --> 01:34:13,250
information. Thank you. Council

3111
01:34:13,819 --> 01:34:15,488
member Amos. Uh, just 2 quick

3112
01:34:15,488 --> 01:34:17,990
comments, the, the first being,

3113
01:34:17,990 --> 01:34:18,910
you know, part of it is, we

3114
01:34:18,910 --> 01:34:18,258
re

3115
01:34:18,258 --> 01:34:19,293
we

3116
01:34:19,293 --> 01:34:20,826
re not gonna know what needs

3117
01:34:20,826 --> 01:34:20,927
to be fixed until it

3118
01:34:20,927 --> 01:34:21,560
s

3119
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:22,863
implemented, unfortunately,

3120
01:34:22,863 --> 01:34:24,398
especially when it comes to

3121
01:34:24,398 --> 01:34:26,799
parking, to the actual number

3122
01:34:26,799 --> 01:34:29,200
of ADUs and we gauge interest

3123
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:29,435
on where this is popping up and

3124
01:34:29,435 --> 01:34:30,904
if we

3125
01:34:30,904 --> 01:34:32,773
re gonna hit that 50

3126
01:34:32,773 --> 01:34:33,373
target in the next 10 years or

3127
01:34:33,373 --> 01:34:33,907
maybe lower, if it

3128
01:34:33,907 --> 01:34:34,107
s higher,

3129
01:34:34,107 --> 01:34:34,708
that

3130
01:34:34,708 --> 01:34:35,441
s something we

3131
01:34:35,441 --> 01:34:37,441
ll need to

3132
01:34:38,450 --> 01:34:38,245
track. The other I

3133
01:34:38,245 --> 01:34:40,245
m very

3134
01:34:42,749 --> 01:34:43,684
hesitant on The special use

3135
01:34:43,684 --> 01:34:44,751
permit particularly because I

3136
01:34:44,751 --> 01:34:47,186
just feel like that people have

3137
01:34:47,186 --> 01:34:48,870
a right to their property, and

3138
01:34:48,870 --> 01:34:49,122
they should be allowed to

3139
01:34:49,122 --> 01:34:50,556
develop it within reason. I do

3140
01:34:50,556 --> 01:34:52,825
feel like the Board of Zoning

3141
01:34:52,825 --> 01:34:55,280
Appeals is capable of assessing

3142
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:55,629
that. The point about deferral

3143
01:34:55,629 --> 01:34:58,629
and the discussion on the

3144
01:34:58,765 --> 01:34:59,966
motion. I guess my question

3145
01:34:59,966 --> 01:35:00,566
would be, why wouldn

3146
01:35:00,566 --> 01:35:01,535
t we defer

3147
01:35:01,535 --> 01:35:03,103
more actions that happen over

3148
01:35:03,103 --> 01:35:04,670
summer and in general when

3149
01:35:04,670 --> 01:35:06,139
people are traveling, uh.

3150
01:35:06,139 --> 01:35:06,939
Unfortunately, you know,

3151
01:35:06,939 --> 01:35:08,742
business has to get, has to get

3152
01:35:08,742 --> 01:35:09,208
done. It

3153
01:35:09,208 --> 01:35:10,811
s my personal feeling

3154
01:35:10,811 --> 01:35:13,211
on that. Council member

3155
01:35:16,283 --> 01:35:17,650
McQuillan. I would like a defer

3156
01:35:17,650 --> 01:35:19,586
because I would like to ask a

3157
01:35:19,586 --> 01:35:20,487
little bit more information,

3158
01:35:20,487 --> 01:35:22,422
gather more information

3159
01:35:22,422 --> 01:35:23,390
regarding the special use

3160
01:35:23,390 --> 01:35:24,900
permit process, my

3161
01:35:24,900 --> 01:35:25,826
understanding that is that it

3162
01:35:25,826 --> 01:35:28,694
can take quite a long time for

3163
01:35:28,694 --> 01:35:29,663
some people, so I, I want to

3164
01:35:29,663 --> 01:35:30,830
better understand that process

3165
01:35:30,830 --> 01:35:32,566
more, um, this is something

3166
01:35:32,566 --> 01:35:32,833
that just came up this evening.

3167
01:35:32,833 --> 01:35:33,934
This isn

3168
01:35:33,934 --> 01:35:35,401
t something that we

3169
01:35:35,401 --> 01:35:36,836
really discussed in detail

3170
01:35:36,836 --> 01:35:37,803
prior, so deferring this to the

3171
01:35:37,803 --> 01:35:40,473
next meeting would allow me

3172
01:35:40,473 --> 01:35:42,873
that ability. Thank you.

3173
01:35:43,644 --> 01:35:45,450
Council member Bates. Um, so

3174
01:35:45,450 --> 01:35:46,413
first off, uh, this is

3175
01:35:46,413 --> 01:35:47,914
something that as I recall, has

3176
01:35:47,914 --> 01:35:49,383
been in the works since at

3177
01:35:49,383 --> 01:35:52,818
least last year, is, is that

3178
01:35:52,818 --> 01:35:53,219
right? Um, if not earlier, um,

3179
01:35:53,219 --> 01:35:54,154
and so it

3180
01:35:54,154 --> 01:35:56,323
s not something that

3181
01:35:56,323 --> 01:35:58,258
was introduced. You know, just

3182
01:35:58,258 --> 01:35:58,525
a, a month or two ago, um, you

3183
01:35:58,525 --> 01:36:00,590
know, it

3184
01:36:00,590 --> 01:36:01,595
s been on public

3185
01:36:01,595 --> 01:36:01,861
agendas, um, we

3186
01:36:01,861 --> 01:36:03,861
ve received

3187
01:36:04,464 --> 01:36:06,733
feedback about it. Um, with

3188
01:36:06,733 --> 01:36:09,733
regard to the special use

3189
01:36:10,304 --> 01:36:12,172
permit, um, first off, a, uh,

3190
01:36:12,172 --> 01:36:13,540
is a resident required to pay

3191
01:36:13,540 --> 01:36:15,174
that fee, uh, regardless of

3192
01:36:15,174 --> 01:36:17,310
whether or not the city council

3193
01:36:17,310 --> 01:36:18,378
ultimately votes it up or down.

3194
01:36:18,378 --> 01:36:19,578
Yes, that

3195
01:36:19,578 --> 01:36:21,978
s correct, um, so

3196
01:36:22,448 --> 01:36:23,784
again. You know, we don

3197
01:36:23,784 --> 01:36:25,352
t know

3198
01:36:25,352 --> 01:36:26,787
what the financial means of the

3199
01:36:26,787 --> 01:36:29,550
applicant, you know, every

3200
01:36:29,550 --> 01:36:30,756
single applicant is going to be,

3201
01:36:30,756 --> 01:36:32,492
um, they MAY have an agreement

3202
01:36:32,492 --> 01:36:34,610
with someone who MAY be the,

3203
01:36:34,610 --> 01:36:35,329
the very first occupant of that

3204
01:36:35,329 --> 01:36:37,397
unit where, you know, they pay

3205
01:36:37,397 --> 01:36:37,898
to build it, what have you, um,

3206
01:36:37,898 --> 01:36:38,865
and then they

3207
01:36:38,865 --> 01:36:39,232
re in a situation

3208
01:36:39,232 --> 01:36:41,201
where they

3209
01:36:41,201 --> 01:36:43,201
re out almost $1000

3210
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:45,571
and plus the, you know,

3211
01:36:45,571 --> 01:36:47,473
whatever additional costs they

3212
01:36:47,473 --> 01:36:48,741
MAY have incurred through

3213
01:36:48,741 --> 01:36:49,343
having somebody help prepare

3214
01:36:49,343 --> 01:36:50,430
whatever documentation they

3215
01:36:50,430 --> 01:36:50,310
might need or what have you,

3216
01:36:50,310 --> 01:36:50,811
you don

3217
01:36:50,811 --> 01:36:53,811
t know what goes into

3218
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:54,614
that. Um, and, you know,

3219
01:36:54,614 --> 01:36:57,614
without anything to really show

3220
01:36:57,617 --> 01:37:00,617
for it. Um, and, uh,

3221
01:37:02,389 --> 01:37:04,757
additionally, The, um Uh, you

3222
01:37:04,757 --> 01:37:06,292
know, the, I recall from

3223
01:37:06,292 --> 01:37:09,292
reviewing the language of the

3224
01:37:09,328 --> 01:37:10,530
ordinance. That, um, and I

3225
01:37:10,530 --> 01:37:12,930
believe is also actually

3226
01:37:13,966 --> 01:37:16,903
mentioned here tonight. If, um

3227
01:37:16,903 --> 01:37:19,373
The, uh, the property is, you

3228
01:37:19,373 --> 01:37:20,273
know, due to whatever

3229
01:37:20,273 --> 01:37:20,806
circumstances, um, it gets to a

3230
01:37:20,806 --> 01:37:22,643
point where it

3231
01:37:22,643 --> 01:37:23,610
s no longer in

3232
01:37:23,610 --> 01:37:25,450
conformance with the

3233
01:37:25,450 --> 01:37:25,244
requirements set forth there,

3234
01:37:25,244 --> 01:37:27,244
they

3235
01:37:27,481 --> 01:37:29,815
re no longer allowed to,

3236
01:37:29,815 --> 01:37:32,285
um, use that adu, is that right?

3237
01:37:32,285 --> 01:37:33,654
Yes, um, and that exists

3238
01:37:33,654 --> 01:37:33,854
regardless of whether or not

3239
01:37:33,854 --> 01:37:35,121
there

3240
01:37:35,121 --> 01:37:38,121
s a special use permit

3241
01:37:39,159 --> 01:37:40,994
process. And, um, would there

3242
01:37:40,994 --> 01:37:42,428
be any difference in

3243
01:37:42,428 --> 01:37:43,430
enforcement of that if there is

3244
01:37:43,430 --> 01:37:46,198
a special use permit process or

3245
01:37:46,198 --> 01:37:47,670
not. Uh, well, that, that

3246
01:37:47,670 --> 01:37:48,502
s up

3247
01:37:48,502 --> 01:37:49,536
to council, the, the bare

3248
01:37:49,536 --> 01:37:51,871
minimum for a special use

3249
01:37:51,871 --> 01:37:53,840
permit, what, what the changes

3250
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:54,941
would be in the zoning

3251
01:37:54,941 --> 01:37:55,842
ordinance, there

3252
01:37:55,842 --> 01:37:57,743
s a table in

3253
01:37:57,743 --> 01:38:00,681
the zoning ordinance called the

3254
01:38:00,681 --> 01:38:02,449
Accessory use table, uh,

3255
01:38:02,449 --> 01:38:04,418
accessory dwelling units are

3256
01:38:04,418 --> 01:38:06,820
listed in there, uh, accessory

3257
01:38:06,820 --> 01:38:09,256
dwelling units are listed as

3258
01:38:09,256 --> 01:38:11,558
permitted uses in the rhrl and

3259
01:38:11,558 --> 01:38:13,759
rm zones, uh, that could be

3260
01:38:13,759 --> 01:38:17,359
changed to a special use permit

3261
01:38:17,564 --> 01:38:19,633
to cover all ADUs. Or it could

3262
01:38:19,633 --> 01:38:21,434
be split into in accessory

3263
01:38:21,434 --> 01:38:22,903
dwelling units attached and

3264
01:38:22,903 --> 01:38:24,903
accessory unit, accessory

3265
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:27,472
dwelling units detached. One

3266
01:38:27,641 --> 01:38:28,941
would be special, one would be

3267
01:38:28,941 --> 01:38:30,877
permitted, in that case we

3268
01:38:30,877 --> 01:38:32,446
would need a definition of each

3269
01:38:32,446 --> 01:38:32,846
in the definition section, uh,

3270
01:38:32,846 --> 01:38:34,846
but that

3271
01:38:36,283 --> 01:38:37,651
s the bare minimum, uh,

3272
01:38:37,651 --> 01:38:38,417
and the standards that we

3273
01:38:38,417 --> 01:38:41,417
reviewed today could stay the

3274
01:38:41,622 --> 01:38:41,855
same. If, if that

3275
01:38:41,855 --> 01:38:41,955
s council

3276
01:38:41,955 --> 01:38:43,955
s

3277
01:38:44,824 --> 01:38:45,691
wishes, if council wishes to

3278
01:38:45,691 --> 01:38:47,660
add other standards you all

3279
01:38:47,660 --> 01:38:50,564
could do that as well, yeah,

3280
01:38:50,564 --> 01:38:52,966
yeah, but with, so with regard

3281
01:38:52,966 --> 01:38:54,134
to the enforcement mechanism,

3282
01:38:54,134 --> 01:38:55,369
um, would that be any different

3283
01:38:55,369 --> 01:38:55,568
in terms of, you know, there,

3284
01:38:55,568 --> 01:38:56,937
there

3285
01:38:56,937 --> 01:38:58,238
s, there

3286
01:38:58,238 --> 01:38:59,172
s similar

3287
01:38:59,172 --> 01:39:01,740
enforcement mechanisms to SUPs

3288
01:39:01,740 --> 01:39:02,308
that the sup is permitted. You

3289
01:39:02,308 --> 01:39:03,976
know, for whatever is applied

3290
01:39:03,976 --> 01:39:05,378
for, and if that changes, then,

3291
01:39:05,378 --> 01:39:06,790
uh, that would be out of

3292
01:39:06,790 --> 01:39:07,780
conformity and the property

3293
01:39:07,780 --> 01:39:10,250
owner would have to come back

3294
01:39:10,250 --> 01:39:14,353
for a, a new sup if that

3295
01:39:14,353 --> 01:39:14,887
changes. Mhm. But, um, in terms

3296
01:39:14,887 --> 01:39:15,555
of how that

3297
01:39:15,555 --> 01:39:17,424
s enforced with

3298
01:39:17,424 --> 01:39:17,524
regard to, you know, what

3299
01:39:17,524 --> 01:39:19,258
s

3300
01:39:19,258 --> 01:39:20,192
proposed, um. It

3301
01:39:20,192 --> 01:39:21,295
s, would you

3302
01:39:21,295 --> 01:39:22,228
say that it

3303
01:39:22,228 --> 01:39:23,897
s similar to, um,

3304
01:39:23,897 --> 01:39:24,310
you know, that provision that

3305
01:39:24,310 --> 01:39:24,998
s

3306
01:39:24,998 --> 01:39:25,499
currently in there, you know,

3307
01:39:25,499 --> 01:39:26,433
and it

3308
01:39:26,433 --> 01:39:28,670
s not in conformance and

3309
01:39:28,670 --> 01:39:29,903
it no longer functions, correct,

3310
01:39:29,903 --> 01:39:32,706
that, that would be similar,

3311
01:39:32,706 --> 01:39:33,507
the difference would be if

3312
01:39:33,507 --> 01:39:35,175
counsel imposes additional

3313
01:39:35,175 --> 01:39:36,510
requirements as part of the sup

3314
01:39:36,510 --> 01:39:36,877
process that that that would be

3315
01:39:36,877 --> 01:39:37,177
something that

3316
01:39:37,177 --> 01:39:37,544
s above and

3317
01:39:37,544 --> 01:39:38,578
beyond what

3318
01:39:38,578 --> 01:39:40,447
s in the zoning

3319
01:39:40,447 --> 01:39:42,848
ordinance, right, right, but we

3320
01:39:42,848 --> 01:39:44,116
could also, um, if we wanted to

3321
01:39:44,116 --> 01:39:47,716
amend, um, or, you know, set

3322
01:39:47,821 --> 01:39:48,854
the Uh, requirements as is, you

3323
01:39:48,854 --> 01:39:49,550
know, regardless of whether

3324
01:39:49,550 --> 01:39:50,624
there

3325
01:39:50,624 --> 01:39:52,492
s an, an sup or not,

3326
01:39:52,492 --> 01:39:52,658
correct, yeah, yeah, and so

3327
01:39:52,658 --> 01:39:54,610
we

3328
01:39:54,610 --> 01:39:54,727
ve already discussed those,

3329
01:39:54,727 --> 01:39:55,995
uh, requirements previously.

3330
01:39:55,995 --> 01:39:56,562
Anyway, so just, you know, some

3331
01:39:56,562 --> 01:39:56,863
clarification, uh, that

3332
01:39:56,863 --> 01:39:58,863
s very

3333
01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:00,767
helpful. Thank you. Council

3334
01:40:00,767 --> 01:40:03,767
member Hardy Chandler. I think,

3335
01:40:03,937 --> 01:40:06,600
uh. Put simply, what concerns

3336
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:07,873
me is adding a burden to people

3337
01:40:07,873 --> 01:40:10,978
who MAY want to pursue this

3338
01:40:10,978 --> 01:40:11,211
option, um, and a burden that

3339
01:40:11,211 --> 01:40:13,211
Wouldn

3340
01:40:13,347 --> 01:40:14,915
t it be in place if they

3341
01:40:14,915 --> 01:40:16,315
were doing something else like

3342
01:40:16,315 --> 01:40:18,217
simply improving their property

3343
01:40:18,217 --> 01:40:19,685
in a different way, um, so the,

3344
01:40:19,685 --> 01:40:22,155
the added burden that does not

3345
01:40:22,155 --> 01:40:23,230
feel fair to me is not

3346
01:40:23,230 --> 01:40:23,991
something that I

3347
01:40:23,991 --> 01:40:25,892
m wanting to

3348
01:40:25,892 --> 01:40:26,926
consider, I wanted to be an

3349
01:40:26,926 --> 01:40:27,561
encouragement for people to

3350
01:40:27,561 --> 01:40:27,928
consider this when it

3351
01:40:27,928 --> 01:40:29,730
s right

3352
01:40:29,730 --> 01:40:31,831
for their family and right for

3353
01:40:31,831 --> 01:40:33,200
their for their financial

3354
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:35,680
circumstances rather than sort

3355
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:36,603
of punishing them and adding

3356
01:40:36,603 --> 01:40:38,472
extra hoops for them to jump

3357
01:40:38,472 --> 01:40:39,373
through in order to have this

3358
01:40:39,373 --> 01:40:39,673
happen, um, so I

3359
01:40:39,673 --> 01:40:41,574
m in support

3360
01:40:41,574 --> 01:40:45,174
of con Continuing with the vote

3361
01:40:46,613 --> 01:40:48,514
today. Council member Peterson,

3362
01:40:48,514 --> 01:40:51,514
just to clarify my interest

3363
01:40:51,852 --> 01:40:53,286
here was actually not to

3364
01:40:53,286 --> 01:40:55,688
address the special use permit

3365
01:40:55,688 --> 01:40:55,789
issue which Sounds like there

3366
01:40:55,789 --> 01:40:57,424
s

3367
01:40:57,424 --> 01:40:59,292
still some conversation around,

3368
01:40:59,292 --> 01:41:00,393
but really to give residents a

3369
01:41:00,393 --> 01:41:01,327
chance to digest this a little

3370
01:41:01,327 --> 01:41:01,494
bit, sometimes it seems like

3371
01:41:01,494 --> 01:41:03,494
it

3372
01:41:04,970 --> 01:41:05,399
s a little bit much for us

3373
01:41:05,399 --> 01:41:07,701
to receive new information,

3374
01:41:07,701 --> 01:41:09,136
people are giving invite people

3375
01:41:09,136 --> 01:41:09,770
to do a public hearing the same

3376
01:41:09,770 --> 01:41:10,637
night, and they

3377
01:41:10,637 --> 01:41:12,505
ve just seen it,

3378
01:41:12,505 --> 01:41:14,740
and in some cases have not even

3379
01:41:14,740 --> 01:41:14,907
yet seen it. It

3380
01:41:14,907 --> 01:41:16,476
s difficult for

3381
01:41:16,476 --> 01:41:17,811
people to be able to access

3382
01:41:17,811 --> 01:41:19,346
some of this information ahead

3383
01:41:19,346 --> 01:41:19,445
of time and digest it, we

3384
01:41:19,445 --> 01:41:20,614
re

3385
01:41:20,614 --> 01:41:21,314
actually getting explanations

3386
01:41:21,314 --> 01:41:22,749
here that help them do that,

3387
01:41:22,749 --> 01:41:24,618
and then we turn right around

3388
01:41:24,618 --> 01:41:24,785
and we vote, and if there

3389
01:41:24,785 --> 01:41:26,520
s no

3390
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:27,888
harm in giving a little bit

3391
01:41:27,888 --> 01:41:29,990
more time for people to digest

3392
01:41:29,990 --> 01:41:30,891
this in case there is something

3393
01:41:30,891 --> 01:41:31,491
out of that that

3394
01:41:31,491 --> 01:41:31,857
s meaningful.

3395
01:41:31,857 --> 01:41:33,327
I, I don

3396
01:41:33,327 --> 01:41:33,660
t see why we wouldn

3397
01:41:33,660 --> 01:41:35,562
t

3398
01:41:35,562 --> 01:41:36,296
delay, and I, in terms of the

3399
01:41:36,296 --> 01:41:38,165
JULY time frame, I mean, people

3400
01:41:38,165 --> 01:41:41,670
are Busy all the time, I will

3401
01:41:41,670 --> 01:41:43,135
say, however, I have received

3402
01:41:43,135 --> 01:41:45,720
some comments from residents

3403
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:45,339
who have expressed the concern

3404
01:41:45,339 --> 01:41:47,339
that they

3405
01:41:47,808 --> 01:41:48,775
ve been out of pocket

3406
01:41:48,775 --> 01:41:50,276
pretty badly in JULY and are

3407
01:41:50,276 --> 01:41:50,544
having a hard time keeping up

3408
01:41:50,544 --> 01:41:51,745
with what

3409
01:41:51,745 --> 01:41:53,580
s going on in terms

3410
01:41:53,580 --> 01:41:53,914
of city business, so this is a

3411
01:41:53,914 --> 01:41:55,582
time when it

3412
01:41:55,582 --> 01:41:56,549
s been a little

3413
01:41:56,549 --> 01:41:58,949
bit tougher probably than

3414
01:41:59,386 --> 01:42:00,720
normal to do that, and I would

3415
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:02,856
think because of significant

3416
01:42:02,856 --> 01:42:02,956
new information. That we

3417
01:42:02,956 --> 01:42:04,223
re

3418
01:42:04,223 --> 01:42:05,958
having in front of us tonight

3419
01:42:05,958 --> 01:42:07,327
on the lack of the opportunity

3420
01:42:07,327 --> 01:42:09,620
for people to really have time

3421
01:42:09,620 --> 01:42:10,197
to digest it and for us to be

3422
01:42:10,197 --> 01:42:12,933
able to hear from them, and

3423
01:42:12,933 --> 01:42:14,868
again, there MAY be no feedback

3424
01:42:14,868 --> 01:42:15,601
whatsoever, but as in the case

3425
01:42:15,601 --> 01:42:17,971
of the noise ordinance there

3426
01:42:17,971 --> 01:42:19,640
MAY be quite a bit of feedback

3427
01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:21,608
in any case, it would be great

3428
01:42:21,608 --> 01:42:22,174
to give us that opportunity if

3429
01:42:22,174 --> 01:42:23,100
possible, and I, I don

3430
01:42:23,100 --> 01:42:23,176
t think

3431
01:42:23,176 --> 01:42:24,944
it

3432
01:42:24,944 --> 01:42:26,512
s a major burden in terms of

3433
01:42:26,512 --> 01:42:27,413
a postponement here for another

3434
01:42:27,413 --> 01:42:29,813
decision. I also don

3435
01:42:29,815 --> 01:42:30,717
t think it

3436
01:42:30,717 --> 01:42:33,117
would require a particularly

3437
01:42:33,453 --> 01:42:34,554
large amount of time. To, uh,

3438
01:42:34,554 --> 01:42:36,656
act on this when it does come

3439
01:42:36,656 --> 01:42:37,356
back, so that was really the

3440
01:42:37,356 --> 01:42:40,356
intention that I had here.

3441
01:42:40,627 --> 01:42:42,162
Thank you. House member hall.

3442
01:42:42,162 --> 01:42:43,596
Thank you. I do also want to

3443
01:42:43,596 --> 01:42:46,596
remind everyone that this was

3444
01:42:48,868 --> 01:42:50,804
the body earlier this month who

3445
01:42:50,804 --> 01:42:52,806
delayed the implementation of

3446
01:42:52,806 --> 01:42:55,206
an otherwise agreed upon

3447
01:42:56,543 --> 01:42:58,412
council, um. Uh, code of ethics

3448
01:42:58,412 --> 01:42:59,779
to allow our boards and

3449
01:42:59,779 --> 01:43:00,814
commissions time to review it

3450
01:43:00,814 --> 01:43:01,214
when it wasn

3451
01:43:01,214 --> 01:43:03,182
t even decided

3452
01:43:03,182 --> 01:43:04,717
that they were going to be

3453
01:43:04,717 --> 01:43:07,554
subject to it, so I just have a

3454
01:43:07,554 --> 01:43:09,789
hard time. Not allowing

3455
01:43:09,789 --> 01:43:10,824
additional time for our 24,000

3456
01:43:10,824 --> 01:43:11,240
residents to make sure that

3457
01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:13,240
they

3458
01:43:13,627 --> 01:43:16,270
ve wrapped their heads

3459
01:43:16,129 --> 01:43:18,165
around this potential change to

3460
01:43:18,165 --> 01:43:19,666
their neighborhoods. Amos. And

3461
01:43:19,666 --> 01:43:21,534
just for clarification on that

3462
01:43:21,534 --> 01:43:22,903
in that meeting, uh, I asked MR.

3463
01:43:22,903 --> 01:43:24,171
Lubcomman if the timeline was

3464
01:43:24,171 --> 01:43:27,374
affected if we did that action,

3465
01:43:27,374 --> 01:43:28,107
and he said no. So the timeline

3466
01:43:28,107 --> 01:43:30,210
was not changed because of that.

3467
01:43:30,210 --> 01:43:31,511
So if there

3468
01:43:31,511 --> 01:43:32,578
s no further

3469
01:43:32,578 --> 01:43:33,981
discussion on this motion to

3470
01:43:33,981 --> 01:43:38,181
defer, can we take a roll call

3471
01:43:38,618 --> 01:43:40,618
vote. Nashinabury. Council

3472
01:43:42,556 --> 01:43:43,924
member Amos. No. Council Member

3473
01:43:43,924 --> 01:43:45,725
Hall, Council member Hardy

3474
01:43:45,725 --> 01:43:47,725
Chandler. Council member

3475
01:43:49,963 --> 01:43:51,498
Peterson. Council Member Bates

3476
01:43:51,498 --> 01:43:53,498
Councilor McClellan, yes,

3477
01:43:57,103 --> 01:43:58,500
motion failed 3 to 3. So The

3478
01:43:58,500 --> 01:44:00,640
original motion which was made

3479
01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:02,142
by Council member Hardy

3480
01:44:02,142 --> 01:44:03,610
Chandler and seconded by

3481
01:44:03,610 --> 01:44:04,544
Council member Peterson. Is

3482
01:44:04,544 --> 01:44:05,445
there discussion on the

3483
01:44:05,445 --> 01:44:06,413
original motion before we take

3484
01:44:06,413 --> 01:44:07,947
a roll call vote, Council

3485
01:44:07,947 --> 01:44:09,160
Member Hall. I

3486
01:44:09,160 --> 01:44:10,350
d like to make

3487
01:44:10,350 --> 01:44:12,753
it very clear that I think that

3488
01:44:12,753 --> 01:44:14,754
this could be an excellent

3489
01:44:14,754 --> 01:44:17,154
opportunity for our community,

3490
01:44:18,580 --> 01:44:19,559
for our residents, I simply do

3491
01:44:19,559 --> 01:44:20,927
not feel that those that are

3492
01:44:20,927 --> 01:44:21,894
away and that have spent the

3493
01:44:21,894 --> 01:44:24,298
summer since their kids have

3494
01:44:24,298 --> 01:44:25,865
been out of school have

3495
01:44:25,865 --> 01:44:27,234
sufficient time to truly

3496
01:44:27,234 --> 01:44:29,202
understand and digest what is

3497
01:44:29,202 --> 01:44:30,360
included here, which is why I

3498
01:44:30,360 --> 01:44:32,436
strongly supported and was

3499
01:44:32,939 --> 01:44:35,442
going to ask for a delay myself.

3500
01:44:35,442 --> 01:44:36,409
So my vote tonight is not a no

3501
01:44:36,409 --> 01:44:36,810
against ADUs. It

3502
01:44:36,810 --> 01:44:39,210
s a no against

3503
01:44:40,347 --> 01:44:41,782
the process. That is not

3504
01:44:41,782 --> 01:44:42,950
allowing our residents

3505
01:44:42,950 --> 01:44:45,950
sufficient time to absorb this

3506
01:44:46,420 --> 01:44:47,720
information, thank you. Any

3507
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:48,789
other discussion on the motion,

3508
01:44:48,789 --> 01:44:48,889
and I will simply say we

3509
01:44:48,889 --> 01:44:50,589
ve

3510
01:44:50,589 --> 01:44:52,592
been working on this adu

3511
01:44:52,592 --> 01:44:54,600
amendment, I believe, since I

3512
01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:55,895
was elected mayor. So it is not

3513
01:44:55,895 --> 01:44:57,798
something new. We have had work

3514
01:44:57,798 --> 01:44:59,333
sessions on it, there MAY not

3515
01:44:59,333 --> 01:45:00,767
have been work sessions you saw

3516
01:45:00,767 --> 01:45:02,602
previous to being on this

3517
01:45:02,602 --> 01:45:04,370
council, but we have been

3518
01:45:04,370 --> 01:45:06,437
talking about this adu

3519
01:45:07,173 --> 01:45:09,750
ordinance since at least 2024.

3520
01:45:09,750 --> 01:45:12,750
They have not 2023. So, with

3521
01:45:15,820 --> 01:45:17,351
that, a roll call vote. Ok,

3522
01:45:17,351 --> 01:45:19,219
council member McQuillan. I too

3523
01:45:19,219 --> 01:45:21,220
wanted to state on the record

3524
01:45:21,220 --> 01:45:24,558
that I, um, will be voting no

3525
01:45:24,558 --> 01:45:28,394
on this because I too in our

3526
01:45:28,394 --> 01:45:29,796
last meeting was, um, convinced

3527
01:45:29,796 --> 01:45:30,931
and in being collaborative and

3528
01:45:30,931 --> 01:45:32,399
trying to ensure that everyone

3529
01:45:32,399 --> 01:45:34,334
and my colleagues had enough

3530
01:45:34,334 --> 01:45:36,535
time to speak with their

3531
01:45:36,535 --> 01:45:37,970
constituents and do their due

3532
01:45:37,970 --> 01:45:39,390
diligence, I decided to go

3533
01:45:39,390 --> 01:45:41,908
ahead and agree with the rest

3534
01:45:41,908 --> 01:45:44,210
of council that we would delay,

3535
01:45:44,210 --> 01:45:45,612
um, adopting our code of ethics

3536
01:45:45,612 --> 01:45:47,781
and this evening I was also

3537
01:45:47,781 --> 01:45:49,282
kind of in the same Boat here

3538
01:45:49,282 --> 01:45:50,850
where I was going, ok, a

3539
01:45:50,850 --> 01:45:51,500
special use permit for $600

3540
01:45:51,500 --> 01:45:52,184
that

3541
01:45:52,184 --> 01:45:53,653
s a lot of money. I know

3542
01:45:53,653 --> 01:45:55,220
some of the, the timing, the

3543
01:45:55,220 --> 01:45:56,550
process can take a long time,

3544
01:45:56,550 --> 01:45:57,391
however, I

3545
01:45:57,391 --> 01:45:58,958
m not even given

3546
01:45:58,958 --> 01:46:00,960
enough time to to speak with

3547
01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:03,130
constituents and talk to them

3548
01:46:03,130 --> 01:46:04,631
about this, um, to ensure that

3549
01:46:04,631 --> 01:46:04,831
they understand that this is

3550
01:46:04,831 --> 01:46:05,532
what

3551
01:46:05,532 --> 01:46:08,350
s going to happen when

3552
01:46:08,350 --> 01:46:09,680
this is approved this evening,

3553
01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:09,635
um, so I just want to let

3554
01:46:09,635 --> 01:46:10,369
everyone know that I

3555
01:46:10,369 --> 01:46:12,306
m not

3556
01:46:12,306 --> 01:46:13,807
saying no to ADUs because I

3557
01:46:13,807 --> 01:46:13,939
actually support them fully.

3558
01:46:13,939 --> 01:46:15,575
i

3559
01:46:15,575 --> 01:46:16,109
m very frustrated that the

3560
01:46:16,109 --> 01:46:16,209
process tonight that we

3561
01:46:16,209 --> 01:46:17,911
re

3562
01:46:17,911 --> 01:46:18,110
saying. Saying that we don

3563
01:46:18,110 --> 01:46:19,879
t

3564
01:46:19,879 --> 01:46:20,881
care about what our

3565
01:46:20,881 --> 01:46:23,500
constituents think about this.

3566
01:46:23,500 --> 01:46:24,985
We have all of this set out

3567
01:46:24,985 --> 01:46:26,954
really nicely now. We know

3568
01:46:26,954 --> 01:46:28,355
exactly what it entails and our

3569
01:46:28,355 --> 01:46:29,923
constituents can look it over

3570
01:46:29,923 --> 01:46:30,857
and give us really good

3571
01:46:30,857 --> 01:46:31,324
accurate feedback. They

3572
01:46:31,324 --> 01:46:32,391
re all

3573
01:46:32,391 --> 01:46:33,693
on vacation. Everybody is gone

3574
01:46:33,693 --> 01:46:33,894
this summer. We know this.

3575
01:46:33,894 --> 01:46:35,162
They

3576
01:46:35,162 --> 01:46:36,595
re going to return next

3577
01:46:36,595 --> 01:46:38,970
month because school starts in

3578
01:46:38,970 --> 01:46:39,566
AUGUST. Can we really wait for

3579
01:46:39,566 --> 01:46:39,732
1 month? Yes, we could, but

3580
01:46:39,732 --> 01:46:41,434
we

3581
01:46:41,434 --> 01:46:43,303
re not going to tonight. So

3582
01:46:43,303 --> 01:46:43,402
my vote will be a no, but it

3583
01:46:43,402 --> 01:46:44,837
s

3584
01:46:44,837 --> 01:46:45,638
not against ADUs because I do

3585
01:46:45,638 --> 01:46:48,342
want affordability and I want

3586
01:46:48,342 --> 01:46:48,474
housing here. However, However,

3587
01:46:48,474 --> 01:46:49,209
I

3588
01:46:49,209 --> 01:46:49,742
m very frustrated that we

3589
01:46:49,742 --> 01:46:51,243
feel like it

3590
01:46:51,243 --> 01:46:53,746
s ok to just push

3591
01:46:53,746 --> 01:46:57,346
things along and not give a

3592
01:46:58,685 --> 01:47:01,850
deferment. Thank you. Well

3593
01:47:01,221 --> 01:47:03,522
Council member Peterson. Yeah,

3594
01:47:03,522 --> 01:47:04,891
it is, uh, I think a little bit

3595
01:47:04,891 --> 01:47:07,891
frustrating for everybody to be

3596
01:47:08,795 --> 01:47:09,362
in this position. I, I, I

3597
01:47:09,362 --> 01:47:10,863
support the detached adu

3598
01:47:10,863 --> 01:47:11,164
approach, I do think there

3599
01:47:11,164 --> 01:47:12,599
s a

3600
01:47:12,599 --> 01:47:13,265
little bit of unfinished

3601
01:47:13,265 --> 01:47:13,634
business here, and if we

3602
01:47:13,634 --> 01:47:15,634
re not

3603
01:47:16,690 --> 01:47:17,360
going to be able to give

3604
01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:18,537
ourselves some breathing room

3605
01:47:18,537 --> 01:47:19,873
to let people give us feedback

3606
01:47:19,873 --> 01:47:21,807
and tie this up with a nice bow

3607
01:47:21,807 --> 01:47:24,144
when we get back the way we

3608
01:47:24,144 --> 01:47:27,460
really ought to, I would just

3609
01:47:27,460 --> 01:47:29,449
say that I would hope Uh, that

3610
01:47:29,449 --> 01:47:33,490
our city manager and city staff

3611
01:47:33,519 --> 01:47:36,923
would move forward in a manner

3612
01:47:36,923 --> 01:47:38,425
that would retain flexibility.

3613
01:47:38,425 --> 01:47:41,761
As needed to address needs that

3614
01:47:41,761 --> 01:47:43,630
MAY come up as a consequence of

3615
01:47:43,630 --> 01:47:45,699
public feedback that we receive

3616
01:47:45,699 --> 01:47:46,566
after, uh, this evening

3617
01:47:46,566 --> 01:47:48,566
s vote,

3618
01:47:49,436 --> 01:47:50,403
and that we stay flexible and

3619
01:47:50,403 --> 01:47:52,906
responsive every step of the

3620
01:47:52,906 --> 01:47:55,107
way, and that could be special

3621
01:47:55,107 --> 01:47:56,642
use permit, but it could be any

3622
01:47:56,642 --> 01:47:57,576
number of other things as I

3623
01:47:57,576 --> 01:47:59,976
mentioned earlier, this is

3624
01:48:00,146 --> 01:48:01,514
going to go into an early

3625
01:48:01,514 --> 01:48:03,483
implementation phase, it will

3626
01:48:03,483 --> 01:48:06,420
be an early period of discovery.

3627
01:48:06,420 --> 01:48:07,854
It will be much like a pilot.

3628
01:48:07,854 --> 01:48:10,457
And I will support this, but it

3629
01:48:10,457 --> 01:48:12,659
will be based on the assumption

3630
01:48:12,659 --> 01:48:13,660
that we will take seriously

3631
01:48:13,660 --> 01:48:16,660
feedback that we receive and

3632
01:48:16,663 --> 01:48:18,310
that we will act on that

3633
01:48:18,310 --> 01:48:19,398
feedback without hesitation as

3634
01:48:19,398 --> 01:48:20,901
necessary and retain the

3635
01:48:20,901 --> 01:48:22,234
flexibility we need to do that,

3636
01:48:22,234 --> 01:48:25,305
and so I will be supporting

3637
01:48:25,305 --> 01:48:26,273
this, but I must say I have

3638
01:48:26,273 --> 01:48:27,240
real reservations about, um,

3639
01:48:27,240 --> 01:48:27,440
the way in which we

3640
01:48:27,440 --> 01:48:28,750
re doing

3641
01:48:28,750 --> 01:48:29,508
this and we

3642
01:48:29,508 --> 01:48:30,544
re not giving

3643
01:48:30,544 --> 01:48:31,979
people a chance to have a last

3644
01:48:31,979 --> 01:48:35,579
look at something that has some

3645
01:48:36,984 --> 01:48:38,510
new elements to it. Thank you.

3646
01:48:38,510 --> 01:48:39,252
Any other comments, seeing none

3647
01:48:39,252 --> 01:48:42,252
a roll call vote. Council

3648
01:48:42,555 --> 01:48:43,790
member Amos. Council member

3649
01:48:43,790 --> 01:48:46,190
Hall, Council member Hardy

3650
01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:48,562
Chandler. Council Member

3651
01:48:48,562 --> 01:48:50,962
Peterson Council Member Bates

3652
01:48:52,465 --> 01:48:54,865
COUNCILMAN McClellan. No. Ok,

3653
01:48:55,936 --> 01:48:58,500
motion passed 4 to 2. Ok, we

3654
01:48:58,500 --> 01:48:59,380
will go on to the second

3655
01:48:59,380 --> 01:48:59,773
general public comment, is

3656
01:48:59,773 --> 01:49:01,642
there anybody in the room that

3657
01:49:01,642 --> 01:49:05,242
would like to make a general

3658
01:49:06,612 --> 01:49:08,810
public comment tonight. Ok. All

3659
01:49:08,810 --> 01:49:08,914
right, seeing none, we will now

3660
01:49:08,914 --> 01:49:09,916
recess the regular meeting to

3661
01:49:09,916 --> 01:49:10,350
go into a work session. We

3662
01:49:10,350 --> 01:49:11,752
ll

3663
01:49:11,752 --> 01:49:13,860
take a 5-minute recession

3664
01:49:13,860 --> 01:49:17,286
recess to move it to the work

3665
01:56:59,286 --> 01:57:01,488
session room. Mhm. I. And

3666
01:57:01,488 --> 01:57:02,255
welcome to our work session.

3667
01:57:02,255 --> 01:57:03,890
Before we begin the work

3668
01:57:03,890 --> 01:57:06,526
session, I want to give a

3669
01:57:06,526 --> 01:57:07,194
background on the development

3670
01:57:07,194 --> 01:57:09,594
review process for applications.

3671
01:57:10,130 --> 01:57:10,964
The development review process

3672
01:57:10,964 --> 01:57:12,866
was established through a

3673
01:57:12,866 --> 01:57:15,335
series of mayor and city

3674
01:57:15,335 --> 01:57:15,901
council retreats to ensure

3675
01:57:15,901 --> 01:57:17,170
development concepts are

3676
01:57:17,170 --> 01:57:19,139
presented to the mayor and

3677
01:57:19,139 --> 01:57:20,540
counts city council as a whole,

3678
01:57:20,540 --> 01:57:22,508
rather than through individual

3679
01:57:22,508 --> 01:57:23,944
meetings. This approach

3680
01:57:23,944 --> 01:57:25,378
promotes transparency by

3681
01:57:25,378 --> 01:57:26,113
ensuring all elected officials

3682
01:57:26,113 --> 01:57:29,113
receive the same information at

3683
01:57:29,650 --> 01:57:32,500
the same time. Pre-application

3684
01:57:32,718 --> 01:57:33,654
briefings occur before a formal

3685
01:57:33,654 --> 01:57:36,540
application is submitted at

3686
01:57:36,123 --> 01:57:38,524
this stage, city staff provides

3687
01:57:38,524 --> 01:57:39,892
a high level overview of a

3688
01:57:39,892 --> 01:57:41,361
proposed concept and the

3689
01:57:41,361 --> 01:57:43,361
potential applicant is

3690
01:57:43,362 --> 01:57:44,264
available to answer questions.

3691
01:57:44,264 --> 01:57:46,733
The plans are conceptual and

3692
01:57:46,733 --> 01:57:48,635
the mayor and city council MAY

3693
01:57:48,635 --> 01:57:51,350
offer general observations as

3694
01:57:51,137 --> 01:57:53,340
guidance. Once a formal

3695
01:57:53,340 --> 01:57:55,308
application is submitted and

3696
01:57:55,308 --> 01:57:56,343
accepted city staff conducts a

3697
01:57:56,343 --> 01:57:58,743
detailed review for compliance

3698
01:57:59,346 --> 01:58:01,746
with applicable codes. And

3699
01:58:01,782 --> 01:58:03,717
policies, post submission work

3700
01:58:03,717 --> 01:58:05,117
sessions include an in-depth

3701
01:58:05,117 --> 01:58:07,517
staff analysis and typically

3702
01:58:07,520 --> 01:58:08,454
occur after the applicant has

3703
01:58:08,454 --> 01:58:10,454
addressed initial staff

3704
01:58:10,924 --> 01:58:11,624
comments and before the

3705
01:58:11,624 --> 01:58:14,240
application proceeds to public

3706
01:58:14,795 --> 01:58:16,228
hearings. The process has been

3707
01:58:16,228 --> 01:58:18,230
reviewed and refined over time

3708
01:58:18,230 --> 01:58:21,680
by successive mayor and city

3709
01:58:21,680 --> 01:58:22,935
councils. Changes have included

3710
01:58:22,935 --> 01:58:23,904
clarifying materials to

3711
01:58:23,904 --> 01:58:25,904
distinguish pre-application

3712
01:58:26,372 --> 01:58:27,774
briefings from post submission

3713
01:58:27,774 --> 01:58:30,174
work sessions and allowing

3714
01:58:30,210 --> 01:58:31,144
potential applicants to answer

3715
01:58:31,144 --> 01:58:32,679
questions during

3716
01:58:32,679 --> 01:58:34,513
pre-application briefings to

3717
01:58:34,513 --> 01:58:35,948
provide additional context for

3718
01:58:35,948 --> 01:58:37,850
conceptual proposals. So we are

3719
01:58:37,850 --> 01:58:39,486
just setting the stage for

3720
01:58:39,486 --> 01:58:41,521
where we are with this work

3721
01:58:41,521 --> 01:58:43,921
session, MS. Shniberry, what

3722
01:58:45,359 --> 01:58:47,693
here. Our first item is a

3723
01:58:47,693 --> 01:58:49,128
pre-application briefing on a

3724
01:58:49,128 --> 01:58:51,528
request by Network Realty

3725
01:58:51,732 --> 01:58:52,999
Partners for the redevelopment

3726
01:58:52,999 --> 01:58:53,400
of 3541 Chambridge Road. I

3727
01:58:53,400 --> 01:58:54,400
m

3728
01:58:54,400 --> 01:58:55,669
gonna recognize Clara Schweiger,

3729
01:58:55,669 --> 01:58:57,871
our city planner for the staff

3730
01:58:57,871 --> 01:58:59,871
presentation. Good evening,

3731
01:59:00,239 --> 01:59:01,708
Mayor and Council, first up

3732
01:59:01,708 --> 01:59:04,443
tonight for work sessions is a

3733
01:59:04,443 --> 01:59:04,977
discussion on a potential

3734
01:59:04,977 --> 01:59:06,977
redevelopment at 3541

3735
01:59:08,381 --> 01:59:09,282
Chainbridge Road. We are

3736
01:59:09,282 --> 01:59:10,684
currently in the

3737
01:59:10,684 --> 01:59:12,151
pre-application stage of the

3738
01:59:12,151 --> 01:59:13,320
development review process, so

3739
01:59:13,320 --> 01:59:15,550
a formal land use application

3740
01:59:15,550 --> 01:59:16,957
has not yet been submitted.

3741
01:59:16,957 --> 01:59:18,392
City staff have met with the

3742
01:59:18,392 --> 01:59:19,426
potential applicant and

3743
01:59:19,426 --> 01:59:21,826
provided initial feedback on

3744
01:59:24,564 --> 01:59:25,999
the potential proposal. So the

3745
01:59:25,999 --> 01:59:28,435
top left image here is an

3746
01:59:28,435 --> 01:59:29,970
aerial of the site. The site is

3747
01:59:29,970 --> 01:59:32,271
located at the southeast corner

3748
01:59:32,271 --> 01:59:33,707
of Chambridge Road and Eaton

3749
01:59:33,707 --> 01:59:36,143
Place, west of University Drive

3750
01:59:36,143 --> 01:59:38,110
and north of Fairfax Boulevard.

3751
01:59:38,110 --> 01:59:40,113
The Future land use designation

3752
01:59:40,113 --> 01:59:41,948
for this site is the activity

3753
01:59:41,948 --> 01:59:44,750
center place type and the site

3754
01:59:44,750 --> 01:59:46,185
is located in the Northfas

3755
01:59:46,185 --> 01:59:47,254
Activity Center and a subject

3756
01:59:47,254 --> 01:59:50,854
to the North Facts Small area

3757
01:59:51,425 --> 01:59:53,860
plan. The site is currently

3758
01:59:53,860 --> 01:59:55,262
zoned cr Commercial Retail and

3759
01:59:55,262 --> 01:59:56,496
the potential applicant

3760
01:59:56,496 --> 01:59:59,496
proposes to rezone to cu

3761
02:00:02,869 --> 02:00:03,470
commercial urban. This slide

3762
02:00:03,470 --> 02:00:05,271
shows proposed residential

3763
02:00:05,271 --> 02:00:06,840
development in the Northfax

3764
02:00:06,840 --> 02:00:08,842
Activity Center. This table is

3765
02:00:08,842 --> 02:00:11,110
also provided in your briefing

3766
02:00:11,110 --> 02:00:13,120
packet, but just to give a

3767
02:00:13,120 --> 02:00:15,982
quick summary in Northfas, the

3768
02:00:15,982 --> 02:00:17,283
small area plan estimates 1400

3769
02:00:17,283 --> 02:00:20,187
new residential units in the

3770
02:00:20,187 --> 02:00:21,154
near term. To date, there are

3771
02:00:21,154 --> 02:00:22,723
1,088 units currently in some

3772
02:00:22,723 --> 02:00:23,624
phase of the land use process

3773
02:00:23,624 --> 02:00:26,225
in the North Facts Activity

3774
02:00:26,225 --> 02:00:28,625
Center. And all activity

3775
02:00:30,363 --> 02:00:31,898
centers, the small area plans

3776
02:00:31,898 --> 02:00:34,898
estimate 4700 new units in the

3777
02:00:35,201 --> 02:00:37,104
near term. To date, 2,753 units

3778
02:00:37,104 --> 02:00:38,137
are in some phase of the land

3779
02:00:38,137 --> 02:00:41,137
use process in all activity

3780
02:00:42,800 --> 02:00:43,910
centers. Outside of the

3781
02:00:43,910 --> 02:00:45,910
activity centers, 3,022 units

3782
02:00:45,912 --> 02:00:47,814
are in the land use pipeline.

3783
02:00:47,814 --> 02:00:49,749
And then the table on the

3784
02:00:49,749 --> 02:00:50,784
bottom here shows each project

3785
02:00:50,784 --> 02:00:54,384
in Northfax with the status and

3786
02:00:56,355 --> 02:00:58,292
the number of units proposed.

3787
02:00:58,292 --> 02:00:59,892
Now, going back to the

3788
02:00:59,892 --> 02:00:59,992
potential project for tonight

3789
02:00:59,992 --> 02:01:01,992
s

3790
02:01:02,162 --> 02:01:04,562
discussion, existing on the

3791
02:01:04,563 --> 02:01:06,963
development site are 2 2-story

3792
02:01:07,000 --> 02:01:08,969
office buildings and 124

3793
02:01:08,969 --> 02:01:11,369
parking spaces on approximately

3794
02:01:12,439 --> 02:01:15,439
2.09 acres. This is the concept

3795
02:01:16,743 --> 02:01:18,478
plan. The potential applicant

3796
02:01:18,478 --> 02:01:19,912
proposes 29 townhouses and 8

3797
02:01:19,912 --> 02:01:22,312
2/2 units with the proposed

3798
02:01:25,384 --> 02:01:26,787
height maximum of 4 stories.

3799
02:01:26,787 --> 02:01:29,187
They proposed 2750 square feet

3800
02:01:29,289 --> 02:01:31,291
of retail on University Drive,

3801
02:01:31,291 --> 02:01:32,259
a new private street, a widened

3802
02:01:32,259 --> 02:01:33,894
10-foot sidewalk on Eaton Place

3803
02:01:33,894 --> 02:01:36,894
and an 8 ft sidewalk on

3804
02:01:37,300 --> 02:01:38,164
University Drive. And an

3805
02:01:38,164 --> 02:01:40,564
internal 6 ft sidewalk leading

3806
02:01:42,402 --> 02:01:45,402
to units. The potential appro

3807
02:01:46,707 --> 02:01:48,608
applicant proposes a 4200 sq ft

3808
02:01:48,608 --> 02:01:50,110
linear park 8300 square feet of

3809
02:01:50,110 --> 02:01:53,110
open space and an interpersonal

3810
02:01:53,814 --> 02:01:55,281
connection to the south. Here

3811
02:01:55,281 --> 02:01:58,281
are renderings of the potential

3812
02:02:00,520 --> 02:02:01,121
proposal. So these are looking

3813
02:02:01,121 --> 02:02:04,121
at the stacked townhouses, so

3814
02:02:05,359 --> 02:02:08,929
the 2 of 2s. And hear more

3815
02:02:08,929 --> 02:02:09,829
renderings on the left is, um,

3816
02:02:09,829 --> 02:02:10,696
a retail building, and then on

3817
02:02:10,696 --> 02:02:10,998
the right you

3818
02:02:10,998 --> 02:02:12,998
re seeing the

3819
02:02:16,403 --> 02:02:18,238
townhouses. So city staff met

3820
02:02:18,238 --> 02:02:20,641
with the applicant, um, the

3821
02:02:20,641 --> 02:02:23,410
potential applicant and has

3822
02:02:23,110 --> 02:02:25,110
provided preliminary feedback

3823
02:02:26,450 --> 02:02:27,214
on the potential proposal, um,

3824
02:02:27,214 --> 02:02:30,814
this list was included in your

3825
02:02:32,719 --> 02:02:35,719
briefing packet. And on JUNE

3826
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:37,690
22nd, the planning commission

3827
02:02:37,690 --> 02:02:39,192
held a pre-application briefing

3828
02:02:39,192 --> 02:02:42,192
with the applicant, and gave

3829
02:02:42,562 --> 02:02:44,531
the applicant feedback. Um, a

3830
02:02:44,531 --> 02:02:45,265
summary of this, um, feedback

3831
02:02:45,265 --> 02:02:48,865
has also been included in your

3832
02:02:50,370 --> 02:02:52,472
briefing packet. Potential land

3833
02:02:52,472 --> 02:02:54,874
use requests for the proposal

3834
02:02:54,874 --> 02:02:55,975
would be a rezoning from cr

3835
02:02:55,975 --> 02:02:58,277
Commercial retail to see you

3836
02:02:58,277 --> 02:02:58,912
commercial urban and the

3837
02:02:58,912 --> 02:03:00,912
architectural control overlay

3838
02:03:02,149 --> 02:03:03,550
district, a special use permit

3839
02:03:03,550 --> 02:03:04,551
for townhouses and multi-family,

3840
02:03:04,551 --> 02:03:06,190
a general development plan and

3841
02:03:06,190 --> 02:03:06,485
a major certificate of

3842
02:03:06,485 --> 02:03:08,485
appropriateness for

3843
02:03:10,223 --> 02:03:12,223
architecture and landscaping.

3844
02:03:12,626 --> 02:03:14,961
So the next steps are a land

3845
02:03:14,961 --> 02:03:16,563
use application submission.

3846
02:03:16,563 --> 02:03:17,864
Staff review, work sessions

3847
02:03:17,864 --> 02:03:19,633
with the planning commission,

3848
02:03:19,633 --> 02:03:23,233
the bar and city council, and

3849
02:03:23,337 --> 02:03:24,271
then public hearings. And that

3850
02:03:24,271 --> 02:03:24,770
concludes my presentation. I

3851
02:03:24,770 --> 02:03:25,639
m

3852
02:03:25,639 --> 02:03:28,750
here to answer any questions

3853
02:03:28,750 --> 02:03:28,874
that you have, the potential

3854
02:03:28,874 --> 02:03:31,144
applicant is also standing by

3855
02:03:31,144 --> 02:03:32,112
for questions. But Thank you

3856
02:03:32,112 --> 02:03:34,448
for the presentation, Council

3857
02:03:34,448 --> 02:03:36,550
Member Amos. Thank you very

3858
02:03:36,550 --> 02:03:38,852
much, uh, for the very, uh,

3859
02:03:38,852 --> 02:03:40,320
brief presentation, uh, just to

3860
02:03:40,320 --> 02:03:41,254
quickly go over what I

3861
02:03:41,254 --> 02:03:42,656
d liked

3862
02:03:42,656 --> 02:03:44,560
that I saw the Sidewalk widths,

3863
02:03:44,560 --> 02:03:46,692
I think are appropriate. I

3864
02:03:46,692 --> 02:03:47,927
think 1010 ft on Eaton, 8 ft on

3865
02:03:47,927 --> 02:03:50,263
university, I think that makes

3866
02:03:50,263 --> 02:03:51,898
a lot of sense. Uh, I do like

3867
02:03:51,898 --> 02:03:53,265
the university connection and

3868
02:03:53,265 --> 02:03:54,100
access from Cambridge. I

3869
02:03:54,100 --> 02:03:55,202
actually, my understanding

3870
02:03:55,202 --> 02:03:57,504
based off of what I saw on the

3871
02:03:57,504 --> 02:03:58,805
plan, the access point to the

3872
02:03:58,805 --> 02:04:00,606
property from Eden is removed,

3873
02:04:00,606 --> 02:04:02,209
correct? I, I do like that

3874
02:04:02,209 --> 02:04:04,978
element of it as well, uh,

3875
02:04:04,978 --> 02:04:07,346
taking that off. I also really,

3876
02:04:07,346 --> 02:04:08,849
yes, right there, thank you. I

3877
02:04:08,849 --> 02:04:10,317
also like the linear park and

3878
02:04:10,317 --> 02:04:11,685
green space concepts, so I, I

3879
02:04:11,685 --> 02:04:14,120
do like to see that you have a,

3880
02:04:14,120 --> 02:04:14,721
a good amount of green space

3881
02:04:14,721 --> 02:04:17,230
proposed from this initial

3882
02:04:17,230 --> 02:04:18,425
application, uh, just a few

3883
02:04:18,425 --> 02:04:19,860
questions, um, it might be a

3884
02:04:19,860 --> 02:04:21,461
little too early, but I imagine

3885
02:04:21,461 --> 02:04:22,729
in terms of stormwater, if I

3886
02:04:22,729 --> 02:04:24,297
recall correctly, this is kind

3887
02:04:24,297 --> 02:04:24,730
of on a slope, uh, in terms of

3888
02:04:24,730 --> 02:04:25,631
storm water, we

3889
02:04:25,631 --> 02:04:26,700
re looking at

3890
02:04:26,700 --> 02:04:27,670
an underground tank is what

3891
02:04:27,670 --> 02:04:28,602
s

3892
02:04:28,602 --> 02:04:30,370
there sufficient or what would

3893
02:04:30,370 --> 02:04:30,671
be, uh, implemented for that, I

3894
02:04:30,671 --> 02:04:34,271
guess that would be to the

3895
02:04:40,146 --> 02:04:41,615
applicant. Just early thoughts.

3896
02:04:41,615 --> 02:04:42,549
Thank you, uh, MADAM Mayor,

3897
02:04:42,549 --> 02:04:44,510
members of City Council, Bob

3898
02:04:44,510 --> 02:04:45,840
Brandt with the law firm of

3899
02:04:45,840 --> 02:04:45,719
Walsh Colucci on behalf of the

3900
02:04:45,719 --> 02:04:46,453
applicant this evening, I

3901
02:04:46,453 --> 02:04:46,585
m,

3902
02:04:46,585 --> 02:04:48,585
I

3903
02:04:48,855 --> 02:04:49,523
m joined by Greg Trimmer from

3904
02:04:49,523 --> 02:04:50,724
Network Realty Partners and

3905
02:04:50,724 --> 02:04:52,259
appreciate the opportunity to

3906
02:04:52,259 --> 02:04:54,594
come before council and get

3907
02:04:54,594 --> 02:04:55,561
feedback, answer questions, and

3908
02:04:55,561 --> 02:04:57,497
hopefully begin this process.

3909
02:04:57,497 --> 02:04:58,131
Um, Council member Amos, you

3910
02:04:58,131 --> 02:04:59,598
asked about stormwater

3911
02:04:59,598 --> 02:05:00,400
management, um, we have not yet

3912
02:05:00,400 --> 02:05:00,833
fully designed it. We

3913
02:05:00,833 --> 02:05:01,968
re still

3914
02:05:01,968 --> 02:05:03,703
very early. This is the concept

3915
02:05:03,703 --> 02:05:06,740
plan. This is really the extent

3916
02:05:06,740 --> 02:05:07,574
of what we designed so far, um,

3917
02:05:07,574 --> 02:05:08,976
but make no mistake about it,

3918
02:05:08,976 --> 02:05:09,643
there will be stormwater

3919
02:05:09,643 --> 02:05:11,643
management facilities provided

3920
02:05:12,112 --> 02:05:12,212
on site. Um, what we

3921
02:05:12,212 --> 02:05:13,130
re

3922
02:05:13,130 --> 02:05:14,981
anticipating is exactly what

3923
02:05:14,981 --> 02:05:15,948
you, what you described,

3924
02:05:15,948 --> 02:05:17,384
underground facilities,

3925
02:05:17,384 --> 02:05:18,784
detention, stormwater quantity,

3926
02:05:18,784 --> 02:05:21,184
quality controls, things like

3927
02:05:21,221 --> 02:05:22,322
that, um, it will be a

3928
02:05:22,322 --> 02:05:22,623
significant benefit over what

3929
02:05:22,623 --> 02:05:23,890
s

3930
02:05:23,890 --> 02:05:26,193
there today. This this property

3931
02:05:26,193 --> 02:05:27,293
was developed in the early

3932
02:05:27,293 --> 02:05:27,461
1970s and, um, I think it

3933
02:05:27,461 --> 02:05:29,620
s

3934
02:05:29,620 --> 02:05:30,396
safe to say is probably

3935
02:05:30,396 --> 02:05:31,465
entirely lacking in terms of

3936
02:05:31,465 --> 02:05:31,765
stormwater controls. So that

3937
02:05:31,765 --> 02:05:33,400
s

3938
02:05:33,400 --> 02:05:35,134
one of the several benefits

3939
02:05:35,134 --> 02:05:36,350
that the redevelopment of this

3940
02:05:36,350 --> 02:05:38,435
property will just inherently

3941
02:05:38,871 --> 02:05:40,240
bring forward. Thank you. Uh,

3942
02:05:40,240 --> 02:05:41,340
my next question in terms of

3943
02:05:41,340 --> 02:05:41,441
height, so the, what

3944
02:05:41,441 --> 02:05:42,342
s

3945
02:05:42,342 --> 02:05:45,145
currently there, I think I saw

3946
02:05:45,145 --> 02:05:45,277
on the plane, it was 28 ft if

3947
02:05:45,277 --> 02:05:47,277
I

3948
02:05:47,414 --> 02:05:48,148
m correct, and then you have

3949
02:05:48,148 --> 02:05:48,481
proposed 4 stories. What

3950
02:05:48,481 --> 02:05:49,449
s the,

3951
02:05:49,449 --> 02:05:49,849
the gap there? What

3952
02:05:49,849 --> 02:05:50,249
s the

3953
02:05:50,249 --> 02:05:50,450
difference? That

3954
02:05:50,450 --> 02:05:50,816
s, that

3955
02:05:50,816 --> 02:05:51,818
s

3956
02:05:51,818 --> 02:05:52,152
correct, the 2-story buildings,

3957
02:05:52,152 --> 02:05:52,853
I think you

3958
02:05:52,853 --> 02:05:53,320
re, you

3959
02:05:53,320 --> 02:05:53,687
re, you

3960
02:05:53,687 --> 02:05:55,687
re

3961
02:05:55,689 --> 02:05:58,250
correct or Route 25 28 30 ft

3962
02:05:58,250 --> 02:05:59,590
story, uh, excuse me, feet high,

3963
02:05:59,590 --> 02:06:00,894
uh, what we are proposing at

3964
02:06:00,894 --> 02:06:04,298
this point is a maximum height

3965
02:06:04,298 --> 02:06:06,166
of 4 stories or 60 ft. The 60

3966
02:06:06,166 --> 02:06:08,302
ft would be the, uh, 2/2 units,

3967
02:06:08,302 --> 02:06:09,435
the Stack townhouse units. On

3968
02:06:09,435 --> 02:06:11,672
the left side of your screen,

3969
02:06:11,672 --> 02:06:12,739
the west side of the site

3970
02:06:12,739 --> 02:06:13,773
fronting on Chambridge Road, um,

3971
02:06:13,773 --> 02:06:14,641
those will be a little bit

3972
02:06:14,641 --> 02:06:16,143
taller than the, the

3973
02:06:16,143 --> 02:06:17,444
single-family attached, the

3974
02:06:17,444 --> 02:06:19,379
townhouse units, one of the

3975
02:06:19,379 --> 02:06:20,546
reasons we did that was to kind

3976
02:06:20,546 --> 02:06:21,815
of establish that frontage,

3977
02:06:21,815 --> 02:06:22,883
establish that book end of the

3978
02:06:22,883 --> 02:06:23,283
site, create kind of a gateway

3979
02:06:23,283 --> 02:06:24,717
as you

3980
02:06:24,717 --> 02:06:25,686
re coming into the city

3981
02:06:25,686 --> 02:06:27,788
by concentrating that mass

3982
02:06:27,788 --> 02:06:30,230
there, but that 4-story,

3983
02:06:30,230 --> 02:06:30,890
60-foot height would be the

3984
02:06:30,890 --> 02:06:31,958
maximum the townhouses would

3985
02:06:31,958 --> 02:06:32,893
likely be a bit shorter than

3986
02:06:32,893 --> 02:06:34,328
that, but again, we

3987
02:06:34,328 --> 02:06:35,695
re early in

3988
02:06:35,695 --> 02:06:36,430
the process and so all of that

3989
02:06:36,430 --> 02:06:37,364
information will be provided if

3990
02:06:37,364 --> 02:06:38,932
and when this moves forward.

3991
02:06:38,932 --> 02:06:39,266
Absolutely, I, and I know it

3992
02:06:39,266 --> 02:06:40,300
s

3993
02:06:40,300 --> 02:06:41,267
early in the process, so for

3994
02:06:41,267 --> 02:06:41,668
example, you know, I, I

3995
02:06:41,668 --> 02:06:43,102
d be

3996
02:06:43,102 --> 02:06:43,570
curious, our economic

3997
02:06:43,570 --> 02:06:44,604
development director

3998
02:06:44,604 --> 02:06:46,730
s thoughts,

3999
02:06:46,730 --> 02:06:47,740
what exactly is driving this?

4000
02:06:47,740 --> 02:06:48,442
Is it vacancy rates, is it, I

4001
02:06:48,442 --> 02:06:49,443
mean, what are we, what are we

4002
02:06:49,443 --> 02:06:49,576
looking at for this? Yeah, and

4003
02:06:49,576 --> 02:06:50,443
I

4004
02:06:50,443 --> 02:06:52,312
ll ask Greg to chime in with

4005
02:06:52,312 --> 02:06:54,647
a little bit more detail, but,

4006
02:06:54,647 --> 02:06:55,749
um, the reality is these, these

4007
02:06:55,749 --> 02:06:56,717
buildings are really

4008
02:06:56,717 --> 02:06:59,218
approaching or at the end of

4009
02:06:59,218 --> 02:06:59,318
their useful life, um, they

4010
02:06:59,318 --> 02:07:00,553
re

4011
02:07:00,553 --> 02:07:02,623
about 50 years old at this

4012
02:07:02,623 --> 02:07:02,723
point, and, um, they

4013
02:07:02,723 --> 02:07:03,790
re

4014
02:07:03,790 --> 02:07:05,258
deteriorating and frankly, the

4015
02:07:05,258 --> 02:07:06,193
costs of, um, getting them back

4016
02:07:06,193 --> 02:07:08,295
to where they need to be to

4017
02:07:08,295 --> 02:07:08,662
release these, the these.

4018
02:07:08,662 --> 02:07:08,829
Spaces are, it

4019
02:07:08,829 --> 02:07:09,328
s, it

4020
02:07:09,328 --> 02:07:09,429
s, it

4021
02:07:09,429 --> 02:07:10,330
s

4022
02:07:10,330 --> 02:07:10,497
approaching to the point where

4023
02:07:10,497 --> 02:07:11,698
it

4024
02:07:11,698 --> 02:07:11,898
s cost prohibitive, and so

4025
02:07:11,898 --> 02:07:12,633
that

4026
02:07:12,633 --> 02:07:14,166
s why the property owner

4027
02:07:14,166 --> 02:07:14,368
is in the position now where

4028
02:07:14,368 --> 02:07:15,135
they

4029
02:07:15,135 --> 02:07:17,400
re looking to the next

4030
02:07:17,400 --> 02:07:18,371
phase, the next step for this

4031
02:07:18,371 --> 02:07:18,538
property, and so, um, what

4032
02:07:18,538 --> 02:07:19,505
we

4033
02:07:19,505 --> 02:07:21,408
ve come forward with is what

4034
02:07:21,408 --> 02:07:22,808
we think and what we hope

4035
02:07:22,808 --> 02:07:24,411
council agrees is a step in the

4036
02:07:24,411 --> 02:07:24,611
right direction, something

4037
02:07:24,611 --> 02:07:25,178
that

4038
02:07:25,178 --> 02:07:26,380
s consistent with the

4039
02:07:26,380 --> 02:07:28,150
small area plan and continuing

4040
02:07:28,150 --> 02:07:29,182
the, the, the, the progress of

4041
02:07:29,182 --> 02:07:30,950
development here in Northfax,

4042
02:07:30,950 --> 02:07:31,484
Greg, do you wanna add to that?

4043
02:07:31,484 --> 02:07:31,917
That, that

4044
02:07:31,917 --> 02:07:32,886
s exactly right in

4045
02:07:32,886 --> 02:07:33,854
terms of the condition of the

4046
02:07:33,854 --> 02:07:35,289
buildings and in, in terms of

4047
02:07:35,289 --> 02:07:36,223
the product mix and the

4048
02:07:36,223 --> 02:07:36,923
direction of the plan, um, we

4049
02:07:36,923 --> 02:07:39,293
looked kind of holistically in

4050
02:07:39,293 --> 02:07:39,392
this. Broader market, and we

4051
02:07:39,392 --> 02:07:40,294
re

4052
02:07:40,294 --> 02:07:40,893
really excited about kind of

4053
02:07:40,893 --> 02:07:41,328
the canvas that

4054
02:07:41,328 --> 02:07:42,329
s been painted

4055
02:07:42,329 --> 02:07:44,231
already. We have a senior

4056
02:07:44,231 --> 02:07:44,865
housing building, we have a, uh,

4057
02:07:44,865 --> 02:07:46,133
a rental apartment building

4058
02:07:46,133 --> 02:07:46,600
coming out of the ground, uh,

4059
02:07:46,600 --> 02:07:48,600
what we don

4060
02:07:49,403 --> 02:07:50,370
t have is, um, home,

4061
02:07:50,370 --> 02:07:51,805
homeownership opportunities.

4062
02:07:51,805 --> 02:07:53,707
And in this small little plan,

4063
02:07:53,707 --> 02:07:54,207
um, we fit a lot of, we think

4064
02:07:54,207 --> 02:07:55,175
great things. There

4065
02:07:55,175 --> 02:07:56,176
s, uh, the

4066
02:07:56,176 --> 02:07:57,210
2/2 units, which will be the

4067
02:07:57,210 --> 02:07:59,460
smaller of the smallest of the

4068
02:07:59,460 --> 02:08:01,414
units, and then a mixture of 16

4069
02:08:01,414 --> 02:08:02,482
ft wide and 20 ft wide towns.

4070
02:08:02,482 --> 02:08:04,351
So in this plan, you have 3

4071
02:08:04,351 --> 02:08:04,985
different types of home

4072
02:08:04,985 --> 02:08:05,986
ownership opportunities that

4073
02:08:05,986 --> 02:08:07,354
will be the first kind of this

4074
02:08:07,354 --> 02:08:09,422
broader, uh, area. And we think

4075
02:08:09,422 --> 02:08:10,223
think that all of that, uh,

4076
02:08:10,223 --> 02:08:11,925
residential activity, in

4077
02:08:11,925 --> 02:08:13,193
addition to the 2 hotels that

4078
02:08:13,193 --> 02:08:14,661
already exist, brings a kind of

4079
02:08:14,661 --> 02:08:15,594
a nice diversity of, of, of

4080
02:08:15,594 --> 02:08:15,696
pedestrian activity and we

4081
02:08:15,696 --> 02:08:16,763
ll

4082
02:08:16,763 --> 02:08:17,264
kind of start to activate it as

4083
02:08:17,264 --> 02:08:17,496
a whole. So we

4084
02:08:17,496 --> 02:08:19,496
re really

4085
02:08:20,267 --> 02:08:21,735
excited about that. Thank you,

4086
02:08:21,735 --> 02:08:22,836
my last question is related to

4087
02:08:22,836 --> 02:08:23,360
the retail portion, uh, and

4088
02:08:23,360 --> 02:08:24,171
there

4089
02:08:24,171 --> 02:08:26,390
s kind of 2 things built

4090
02:08:26,390 --> 02:08:28,941
into that. 1 for the retail, I

4091
02:08:28,941 --> 02:08:30,143
mean, when, when you say retail,

4092
02:08:30,143 --> 02:08:31,545
do you mean more commercial

4093
02:08:31,545 --> 02:08:32,980
office space, or do you more so

4094
02:08:32,980 --> 02:08:35,820
mean, for example, restaurant

4095
02:08:35,820 --> 02:08:36,249
usage or something like that.

4096
02:08:36,249 --> 02:08:37,551
Just for clarification, so our

4097
02:08:37,551 --> 02:08:38,218
hope is that it

4098
02:08:38,218 --> 02:08:39,152
s neighborhood

4099
02:08:39,152 --> 02:08:40,386
serving retail, uh, we

4100
02:08:40,386 --> 02:08:41,822
intentionally had it in front

4101
02:08:41,822 --> 02:08:44,223
on the linear Park, uh, because

4102
02:08:44,223 --> 02:08:46,627
we like that interface between

4103
02:08:46,627 --> 02:08:48,829
that activity, um, uh, in the

4104
02:08:48,829 --> 02:08:49,595
park, interacting with, uh, uh,

4105
02:08:49,595 --> 02:08:50,630
with the retail. It

4106
02:08:50,630 --> 02:08:51,931
s very,

4107
02:08:51,931 --> 02:08:52,898
very early to, uh, uh, to try

4108
02:08:52,898 --> 02:08:54,670
and determine what will lease

4109
02:08:54,670 --> 02:08:55,769
in that space, our hope would

4110
02:08:55,769 --> 02:08:56,737
be though, it would be

4111
02:08:56,737 --> 02:08:58,705
neighborhood serving retail

4112
02:08:58,705 --> 02:08:59,706
rather than commercial uses,

4113
02:08:59,706 --> 02:09:00,674
understood, and part of the

4114
02:09:00,674 --> 02:09:02,975
reason I asked that is because

4115
02:09:02,975 --> 02:09:03,977
it just felt a little odd to

4116
02:09:03,977 --> 02:09:06,780
have that retail space fronting,

4117
02:09:06,780 --> 02:09:07,413
well, not fronting, Technically,

4118
02:09:07,413 --> 02:09:08,882
but closer to the Chambridge

4119
02:09:08,882 --> 02:09:10,284
roadside, I would think.

4120
02:09:10,284 --> 02:09:11,818
Considering you have an

4121
02:09:11,818 --> 02:09:13,185
adjacent shopping center on the

4122
02:09:13,185 --> 02:09:13,954
University Drive portion, you

4123
02:09:13,954 --> 02:09:15,789
might get more consistency

4124
02:09:15,789 --> 02:09:16,622
putting that on the university

4125
02:09:16,622 --> 02:09:17,230
drive side. I wasn

4126
02:09:17,230 --> 02:09:18,125
t sure what

4127
02:09:18,125 --> 02:09:20,930
went through your thought

4128
02:09:20,930 --> 02:09:21,494
process on that. Yeah, so, uh,

4129
02:09:21,494 --> 02:09:23,296
the, the retail actually is on

4130
02:09:23,296 --> 02:09:24,298
the right side, east side of

4131
02:09:24,298 --> 02:09:25,699
the site on University Drive,

4132
02:09:25,699 --> 02:09:26,933
correct, and, and the reason

4133
02:09:26,933 --> 02:09:27,340
for that, just, just so you

4134
02:09:27,340 --> 02:09:28,568
re

4135
02:09:28,568 --> 02:09:30,360
aware, um, and, you know, when

4136
02:09:30,360 --> 02:09:31,470
we first met with, with staff

4137
02:09:31,470 --> 02:09:32,406
about this, they, they

4138
02:09:32,406 --> 02:09:33,539
emphasize the importance of

4139
02:09:33,539 --> 02:09:33,973
having that retail frontage

4140
02:09:33,973 --> 02:09:34,874
there because that

4141
02:09:34,874 --> 02:09:35,609
s what the

4142
02:09:35,609 --> 02:09:37,777
small area plan recommends. If

4143
02:09:37,777 --> 02:09:38,412
you look at this site, um, this

4144
02:09:38,412 --> 02:09:40,814
site, the hotel site to the

4145
02:09:40,814 --> 02:09:41,782
south, And even points to the

4146
02:09:41,782 --> 02:09:41,882
north across Eaton Place it

4147
02:09:41,882 --> 02:09:42,916
s

4148
02:09:42,916 --> 02:09:44,785
envisioned in the small area

4149
02:09:44,785 --> 02:09:46,720
plan that, that Linear Park has

4150
02:09:46,720 --> 02:09:48,120
a retail frontage, and so, um,

4151
02:09:48,120 --> 02:09:48,655
what you see here is the

4152
02:09:48,655 --> 02:09:50,156
product of several

4153
02:09:50,156 --> 02:09:51,892
conversations we had with staff

4154
02:09:51,892 --> 02:09:53,260
early on to advance that design.

4155
02:09:53,260 --> 02:09:55,262
I am very happy to hear I was

4156
02:09:55,262 --> 02:09:55,795
wrong about that, so thank you.

4157
02:09:55,795 --> 02:09:57,129
Uh, so I didn

4158
02:09:57,129 --> 02:09:57,697
t say you were

4159
02:09:57,697 --> 02:09:59,660
wrong per se. I

4160
02:09:59,660 --> 02:09:59,833
ll say it to

4161
02:09:59,833 --> 02:10:00,567
myself, uh, no, that

4162
02:10:00,567 --> 02:10:01,834
s good to

4163
02:10:01,834 --> 02:10:04,400
know, um, and that was it for

4164
02:10:04,400 --> 02:10:07,400
my questions. Thank you. Thank

4165
02:10:08,408 --> 02:10:10,808
you. Uh, COUNCILMAN McQuillan.

4166
02:10:10,876 --> 02:10:12,279
Thank you, um, how much

4167
02:10:12,279 --> 02:10:14,147
commercial will be preserved,

4168
02:10:14,147 --> 02:10:14,915
uh, so the, the existing office

4169
02:10:14,915 --> 02:10:16,915
buildings are about 16,000

4170
02:10:17,116 --> 02:10:18,170
square feet, a little over that,

4171
02:10:18,170 --> 02:10:19,419
uh, council member McQuillan,

4172
02:10:19,419 --> 02:10:20,419
those will be, those will be

4173
02:10:20,419 --> 02:10:21,487
removed and replaced with the

4174
02:10:21,487 --> 02:10:23,155
proposed retail that we have

4175
02:10:23,155 --> 02:10:26,155
here, which is just over 2700

4176
02:10:27,995 --> 02:10:30,995
square feet. 100. Ok, and then,

4177
02:10:32,698 --> 02:10:33,333
um, how much How How much room

4178
02:10:33,333 --> 02:10:35,102
is there for, I

4179
02:10:35,102 --> 02:10:37,102
m looking at

4180
02:10:37,704 --> 02:10:38,738
the renderings and they I like,

4181
02:10:38,738 --> 02:10:39,171
I actually really like this

4182
02:10:39,171 --> 02:10:39,806
plan a lot. I

4183
02:10:39,806 --> 02:10:41,400
ll be honest with

4184
02:10:41,400 --> 02:10:43,442
you. I, I really like this plan

4185
02:10:43,442 --> 02:10:45,646
a lot. I like the retail on the

4186
02:10:45,646 --> 02:10:48,646
side, um, but the renderings,

4187
02:10:49,682 --> 02:10:51,617
is there a lot of room for

4188
02:10:51,617 --> 02:10:52,953
Changing the look to look less

4189
02:10:52,953 --> 02:10:54,855
square and modern and like

4190
02:10:54,855 --> 02:10:55,222
everything else I see in

4191
02:10:55,222 --> 02:10:56,856
everybody else

4192
02:10:56,856 --> 02:10:56,957
s city that

4193
02:10:56,957 --> 02:10:57,891
s

4194
02:10:57,891 --> 02:10:59,760
being built absolutely, um,

4195
02:10:59,760 --> 02:11:00,359
when, and this is probably my

4196
02:11:00,359 --> 02:11:01,295
first opportunity to work

4197
02:11:01,295 --> 02:11:01,761
together and, and he said, you

4198
02:11:01,761 --> 02:11:03,195
know, you don

4199
02:11:03,195 --> 02:11:04,640
t really need, uh,

4200
02:11:04,640 --> 02:11:04,164
renderings at this point. It

4201
02:11:04,164 --> 02:11:05,650
s

4202
02:11:05,650 --> 02:11:05,164
just conceptual. I said, let

4203
02:11:05,164 --> 02:11:06,600
s

4204
02:11:06,600 --> 02:11:07,868
put something in there and

4205
02:11:07,868 --> 02:11:08,834
facilitate a conversation, so

4206
02:11:08,834 --> 02:11:10,803
the answer is absolutely, and

4207
02:11:10,803 --> 02:11:11,838
we want that feedback and we,

4208
02:11:11,838 --> 02:11:12,238
and we want this whole project

4209
02:11:12,238 --> 02:11:12,739
to feel like it

4210
02:11:12,739 --> 02:11:14,740
s part of the

4211
02:11:14,740 --> 02:11:16,543
fabric of the city of Fairfax,

4212
02:11:16,543 --> 02:11:17,311
I really, I do like the setup.

4213
02:11:17,311 --> 02:11:19,246
I like the green space. I like

4214
02:11:19,246 --> 02:11:19,346
where You have the retail, I

4215
02:11:19,346 --> 02:11:21,130
d

4216
02:11:21,130 --> 02:11:21,380
like to see a little or the

4217
02:11:21,380 --> 02:11:22,481
commercial, I

4218
02:11:22,481 --> 02:11:23,884
d like to see a

4219
02:11:23,884 --> 02:11:26,284
little bit more preservation

4220
02:11:26,820 --> 02:11:28,354
for commercial, but, um, I, I,

4221
02:11:28,354 --> 02:11:29,356
the renderings and the look of,

4222
02:11:29,356 --> 02:11:31,224
of the appearance, I think you

4223
02:11:31,224 --> 02:11:32,258
could go a long way if it

4224
02:11:32,258 --> 02:11:34,327
really matches our community

4225
02:11:34,327 --> 02:11:36,563
well and keeps to the character.

4226
02:11:36,563 --> 02:11:39,299
So thank you. Thank you.

4227
02:11:39,299 --> 02:11:39,433
Council member Peterson. Yeah,

4228
02:11:39,433 --> 02:11:41,433
I

4229
02:11:41,668 --> 02:11:42,803
ve got it for staff, a couple

4230
02:11:42,803 --> 02:11:46,403
of questions here just on page

4231
02:11:46,605 --> 02:11:48,942
1. And uh, just a couple of

4232
02:11:48,942 --> 02:11:51,440
quick math questions for you on

4233
02:11:51,440 --> 02:11:52,780
the far right bottom activity

4234
02:11:52,780 --> 02:11:54,481
centers plus outside of number

4235
02:11:54,481 --> 02:11:54,982
of units. And there

4236
02:11:54,982 --> 02:11:56,982
s, you drop

4237
02:11:57,284 --> 02:11:58,418
down, you go to a total of

4238
02:11:58,418 --> 02:12:01,418
3,022, what does is that number?

4239
02:12:02,689 --> 02:12:04,324
Ok, sorry, can you repeat your

4240
02:12:04,324 --> 02:12:05,240
question? I was looking at my

4241
02:12:05,240 --> 02:12:07,424
presentation at the staff

4242
02:12:07,628 --> 02:12:09,628
report. So I

4243
02:12:09,663 --> 02:12:11,365
m going to the

4244
02:12:11,365 --> 02:12:11,465
staff report. Yes, and I

4245
02:12:11,465 --> 02:12:13,465
m

4246
02:12:15,902 --> 02:12:17,504
going down to. Uh, bottom right

4247
02:12:17,504 --> 02:12:17,838
corner of page 1. Ok, so you

4248
02:12:17,838 --> 02:12:19,838
ve

4249
02:12:21,775 --> 02:12:24,344
got a couple tables here. Uh,

4250
02:12:24,344 --> 02:12:26,947
that give you the tally. Of

4251
02:12:26,947 --> 02:12:27,460
what are known what you

4252
02:12:27,460 --> 02:12:27,813
re

4253
02:12:27,813 --> 02:12:28,148
benchmark estimates, but I

4254
02:12:28,148 --> 02:12:29,282
ll

4255
02:12:29,282 --> 02:12:30,684
circle back to the very far

4256
02:12:30,684 --> 02:12:32,452
right, and they have numbers

4257
02:12:32,452 --> 02:12:33,920
for the 1st 2 for North Facts

4258
02:12:33,920 --> 02:12:36,790
and then Activity Centers plus

4259
02:12:36,790 --> 02:12:37,891
combined. The last one is

4260
02:12:37,891 --> 02:12:38,391
activity centers plus outside

4261
02:12:38,391 --> 02:12:40,193
of, and it

4262
02:12:40,193 --> 02:12:41,994
s blank. But if you

4263
02:12:41,994 --> 02:12:42,161
drop down to the very bottom,

4264
02:12:42,161 --> 02:12:44,161
it

4265
02:12:44,397 --> 02:12:45,465
s 3,022. What does that mean?

4266
02:12:45,465 --> 02:12:47,990
Yeah, that

4267
02:12:47,990 --> 02:12:49,499
s all like 1 table,

4268
02:12:51,838 --> 02:12:55,142
so that means The projects that

4269
02:12:55,142 --> 02:12:56,543
are in a land use process right

4270
02:12:56,543 --> 02:12:57,511
now, including activity

4271
02:12:57,511 --> 02:12:58,645
including including activity

4272
02:12:58,645 --> 02:13:01,450
including centers and those

4273
02:13:01,982 --> 02:13:03,816
outside of activity centers.

4274
02:13:03,816 --> 02:13:06,386
Those are in a land use process,

4275
02:13:06,386 --> 02:13:07,821
how do you reconcile that with

4276
02:13:07,821 --> 02:13:09,122
the 1st 2 boxes, 1 for North

4277
02:13:09,122 --> 02:13:11,522
Facts and 1 for Activity

4278
02:13:11,625 --> 02:13:14,250
centers combined. The Norfax

4279
02:13:14,126 --> 02:13:15,329
one has 1400 and the, uh,

4280
02:13:15,329 --> 02:13:17,729
smaller plan benchmark estimate

4281
02:13:17,898 --> 02:13:19,700
for activity centers is 4700

4282
02:13:19,700 --> 02:13:21,168
and, and MS. Schweiger, if you

4283
02:13:21,168 --> 02:13:23,704
could pull up that slide as

4284
02:13:23,704 --> 02:13:27,304
well. I think that might be

4285
02:13:27,874 --> 02:13:29,943
helpful. So the 1400 units

4286
02:13:29,943 --> 02:13:30,543
council member Peterson is the

4287
02:13:30,543 --> 02:13:32,943
benchmark estimate for the

4288
02:13:34,314 --> 02:13:35,349
North facts. Small area plan

4289
02:13:35,349 --> 02:13:35,949
and so that

4290
02:13:35,949 --> 02:13:37,949
s what identified

4291
02:13:38,651 --> 02:13:40,219
in the plan in terms of a

4292
02:13:40,219 --> 02:13:42,540
benchmark estimate over the, uh,

4293
02:13:42,540 --> 02:13:44,454
near term development. In

4294
02:13:47,260 --> 02:13:49,662
Northfaxs. Um, so there is not

4295
02:13:49,662 --> 02:13:51,598
a benchmark estimate for areas

4296
02:13:51,598 --> 02:13:54,340
outside of activity centers, so

4297
02:13:54,340 --> 02:13:56,350
in that final table on the far

4298
02:13:56,350 --> 02:13:56,435
right of this slide, you don

4299
02:13:56,435 --> 02:13:58,435
t

4300
02:13:58,804 --> 02:13:59,600
see a benchmark estimate, so

4301
02:13:59,600 --> 02:14:01,600
what

4302
02:14:01,707 --> 02:14:03,610
s included there is in

4303
02:14:03,610 --> 02:14:05,778
total number of residential

4304
02:14:05,778 --> 02:14:08,214
units at some place within the

4305
02:14:08,214 --> 02:14:09,683
development review process.

4306
02:14:09,683 --> 02:14:11,685
That could be considered by

4307
02:14:11,685 --> 02:14:15,285
city council at some point in

4308
02:14:15,422 --> 02:14:17,524
time if those, uh, proposals or

4309
02:14:17,524 --> 02:14:20,359
projects proceed, those are the

4310
02:14:20,359 --> 02:14:22,759
figures associated with that.

4311
02:14:23,630 --> 02:14:25,463
So under construction approved.

4312
02:14:25,465 --> 02:14:26,400
Under review and in a

4313
02:14:26,400 --> 02:14:28,800
pre-application phase, and so

4314
02:14:29,335 --> 02:14:30,904
those are the units that are

4315
02:14:30,904 --> 02:14:33,304
somewhere in the development

4316
02:14:34,240 --> 02:14:34,441
review process with the city.

4317
02:14:34,441 --> 02:14:36,209
That

4318
02:14:36,209 --> 02:14:38,478
s the 3022. Yes sir.

4319
02:14:38,478 --> 02:14:41,478
Alright, so just. Checked my

4320
02:14:41,915 --> 02:14:42,948
math. So if you look at Current

4321
02:14:42,948 --> 02:14:45,584
Population in the city of

4322
02:14:45,584 --> 02:14:47,984
Fairfax, which is 26,340 or

4323
02:14:48,880 --> 02:14:50,490
something like that. And you

4324
02:14:50,490 --> 02:14:51,458
add 47 to it, that

4325
02:14:51,458 --> 02:14:51,658
s 4700,

4326
02:14:51,658 --> 02:14:52,492
that

4327
02:14:52,492 --> 02:14:54,895
s knocking the door at an

4328
02:14:54,895 --> 02:14:57,295
18% increase. You had another,

4329
02:14:57,997 --> 02:14:58,999
um. 3000 to it, it

4330
02:14:58,999 --> 02:15:00,999
s like a 29%

4331
02:15:03,737 --> 02:15:04,737
increase over base. So, just

4332
02:15:04,737 --> 02:15:05,672
adding the numbers up again,

4333
02:15:05,672 --> 02:15:07,307
just a math thing trying to

4334
02:15:07,307 --> 02:15:07,674
where you, we have a current

4335
02:15:07,674 --> 02:15:09,141
population. I

4336
02:15:09,141 --> 02:15:12,450
m trying to get a

4337
02:15:12,450 --> 02:15:12,512
sense of how much that current

4338
02:15:12,512 --> 02:15:12,879
population expands I

4339
02:15:12,879 --> 02:15:14,780
ll take

4340
02:15:14,780 --> 02:15:15,915
your word for it, council

4341
02:15:15,915 --> 02:15:16,783
member Peterson, blame it on

4342
02:15:16,783 --> 02:15:17,750
the iPhone if it

4343
02:15:17,750 --> 02:15:19,620
s wrong, ok,

4344
02:15:19,620 --> 02:15:21,880
and my thumbs, which I have too

4345
02:15:21,880 --> 02:15:22,956
many of right now. All right,

4346
02:15:22,956 --> 02:15:23,290
so, so, so there

4347
02:15:23,290 --> 02:15:25,290
s that just,

4348
02:15:27,794 --> 02:15:31,980
uh Then I you said near term,

4349
02:15:31,980 --> 02:15:34,670
what does that mean? The small

4350
02:15:34,670 --> 02:15:37,670
area plans identify a 10 to 15

4351
02:15:37,270 --> 02:15:39,670
year near term. Development

4352
02:15:39,672 --> 02:15:41,240
window, and so as, as shown in

4353
02:15:41,240 --> 02:15:41,575
those plans, there There

4354
02:15:41,575 --> 02:15:43,575
s a

4355
02:15:43,976 --> 02:15:45,912
full illustrative build out of

4356
02:15:45,912 --> 02:15:47,800
what redevelopment in those

4357
02:15:47,800 --> 02:15:49,415
areas which are designated

4358
02:15:49,415 --> 02:15:51,818
redevelopment areas in the city

4359
02:15:51,818 --> 02:15:54,186
might look like as those plans

4360
02:15:54,186 --> 02:15:56,123
were being developed based upon

4361
02:15:56,123 --> 02:15:58,523
market conditions, what is

4362
02:16:00,360 --> 02:16:00,894
included is what, um, is

4363
02:16:00,894 --> 02:16:02,894
estimated redevelopment

4364
02:16:03,697 --> 02:16:06,667
activity could, um, result in.

4365
02:16:06,667 --> 02:16:09,503
Over that 10 to 15-year period.

4366
02:16:09,503 --> 02:16:11,837
So for Northfas, uh, it was

4367
02:16:11,837 --> 02:16:12,400
1400 units. Great, but so, and

4368
02:16:12,400 --> 02:16:13,373
we

4369
02:16:13,373 --> 02:16:13,540
ve talked about this, so

4370
02:16:13,540 --> 02:16:15,342
you

4371
02:16:15,342 --> 02:16:15,442
ll correct me if I don

4372
02:16:15,442 --> 02:16:17,442
t

4373
02:16:17,877 --> 02:16:21,477
exactly get it right, but those

4374
02:16:22,214 --> 02:16:23,183
benchmark estimates are What

4375
02:16:23,183 --> 02:16:25,185
market conditions could result

4376
02:16:25,185 --> 02:16:26,218
in, that is not, however, a

4377
02:16:26,218 --> 02:16:26,553
public policy goal that

4378
02:16:26,553 --> 02:16:28,455
s been

4379
02:16:28,455 --> 02:16:29,956
adopted by the city. That is

4380
02:16:29,956 --> 02:16:30,490
correct, and that

4381
02:16:30,490 --> 02:16:31,425
s a very

4382
02:16:31,425 --> 02:16:33,326
critical point for everybody to

4383
02:16:33,326 --> 02:16:35,862
recognize. So I, I think we

4384
02:16:35,862 --> 02:16:37,164
need to be cautious about, um,

4385
02:16:37,164 --> 02:16:37,330
any presentation, and I

4386
02:16:37,330 --> 02:16:38,632
m not

4387
02:16:38,632 --> 02:16:40,968
pointing fingers at this one

4388
02:16:40,968 --> 02:16:42,340
that might suggest that we are

4389
02:16:42,340 --> 02:16:43,370
trying to attain this

4390
02:16:43,370 --> 02:16:44,905
particular goals, that is not

4391
02:16:44,905 --> 02:16:45,605
the case. We

4392
02:16:45,605 --> 02:16:46,406
re simply tracking

4393
02:16:46,406 --> 02:16:47,240
metrics, but I

4394
02:16:47,240 --> 02:16:47,774
m curious also,

4395
02:16:47,774 --> 02:16:48,909
I don

4396
02:16:48,909 --> 02:16:49,543
t see our economic

4397
02:16:49,543 --> 02:16:49,976
development director here,

4398
02:16:49,976 --> 02:16:51,976
although maybe she

4399
02:16:52,713 --> 02:16:54,713
s hiding

4400
02:16:56,249 --> 02:16:58,452
somewhere, uh, but we have a

4401
02:16:58,452 --> 02:17:01,254
metric here, which is housing

4402
02:17:01,254 --> 02:17:04,854
units, um, are we also. Uh,

4403
02:17:05,358 --> 02:17:06,627
estimating Commercial, uh,

4404
02:17:06,627 --> 02:17:08,595
expansion, uh, market potential,

4405
02:17:08,595 --> 02:17:08,895
and for that matter, retail.

4406
02:17:08,895 --> 02:17:09,830
And I don

4407
02:17:09,830 --> 02:17:10,530
t even talk about

4408
02:17:10,530 --> 02:17:11,630
industrial, but let

4409
02:17:11,630 --> 02:17:12,320
s just talk

4410
02:17:12,320 --> 02:17:13,400
about commercial and retail

4411
02:17:13,400 --> 02:17:13,499
over the same period. I don

4412
02:17:13,499 --> 02:17:15,499
t

4413
02:17:15,936 --> 02:17:17,904
see those benchmarks here. Uh,

4414
02:17:17,904 --> 02:17:18,500
we are, um, and, and that

4415
02:17:18,500 --> 02:17:18,704
s

4416
02:17:18,704 --> 02:17:21,704
information that we can provide.

4417
02:17:22,109 --> 02:17:23,509
To city council moving forward,

4418
02:17:23,509 --> 02:17:24,577
I think this table is put

4419
02:17:24,577 --> 02:17:26,446
together in response to a

4420
02:17:26,446 --> 02:17:27,447
previous request, so we

4421
02:17:27,447 --> 02:17:29,847
included it in this

4422
02:17:30,216 --> 02:17:30,716
presentation, but we can add

4423
02:17:30,716 --> 02:17:32,850
additional information

4424
02:17:32,850 --> 02:17:33,553
regarding commercial square

4425
02:17:33,553 --> 02:17:35,187
footage is as well. Well, I

4426
02:17:35,187 --> 02:17:36,723
mean, it gets to a strategic

4427
02:17:36,723 --> 02:17:39,910
question, I think, for the

4428
02:17:39,910 --> 02:17:39,725
council in the city as it is

4429
02:17:39,725 --> 02:17:42,125
trying to address public

4430
02:17:43,230 --> 02:17:46,599
interest, and that is the, um

4431
02:17:46,599 --> 02:17:46,767
Goal that Either we have or

4432
02:17:46,767 --> 02:17:47,600
we

4433
02:17:47,600 --> 02:17:50,000
ve certainly discussed of

4434
02:17:53,507 --> 02:17:55,409
expanding. Um, the presence of

4435
02:17:55,409 --> 02:17:57,809
commercial redevelopment and or

4436
02:17:58,711 --> 02:17:58,879
development in the city, and we

4437
02:17:58,879 --> 02:17:59,379
don

4438
02:17:59,379 --> 02:18:01,648
t have parallel numbers

4439
02:18:01,648 --> 02:18:03,820
here to tell us what those

4440
02:18:03,820 --> 02:18:05,520
numbers look like next to

4441
02:18:05,520 --> 02:18:06,153
residential numbers, so the

4442
02:18:06,153 --> 02:18:06,987
conversation a little bit

4443
02:18:06,987 --> 02:18:07,521
one-sided. We

4444
02:18:07,521 --> 02:18:08,388
re just talking

4445
02:18:08,388 --> 02:18:08,921
residential. We

4446
02:18:08,921 --> 02:18:10,921
re not talking

4447
02:18:12,192 --> 02:18:12,659
commercial here. This is a case

4448
02:18:12,659 --> 02:18:13,626
where we

4449
02:18:13,626 --> 02:18:16,280
re reducing the and so

4450
02:18:16,280 --> 02:18:16,662
there is certainly an interest

4451
02:18:16,662 --> 02:18:17,430
in expanding commercial and,

4452
02:18:17,430 --> 02:18:17,531
and in this case, we

4453
02:18:17,531 --> 02:18:19,531
re

4454
02:18:19,999 --> 02:18:22,399
actually reducing it. From

4455
02:18:22,468 --> 02:18:23,103
16,000 to 2700 square feet. I

4456
02:18:23,103 --> 02:18:24,870
think that

4457
02:18:24,870 --> 02:18:26,673
s a really big hit

4458
02:18:26,673 --> 02:18:29,409
on a commercial, uh, square

4459
02:18:29,409 --> 02:18:30,420
footage. And again, our

4460
02:18:30,420 --> 02:18:31,745
economic development director

4461
02:18:31,745 --> 02:18:31,845
is not here, but she will, I

4462
02:18:31,845 --> 02:18:33,647
m

4463
02:18:33,647 --> 02:18:33,813
sure, be listening in on this.

4464
02:18:33,813 --> 02:18:34,781
It

4465
02:18:34,781 --> 02:18:36,882
s my understanding that just

4466
02:18:36,882 --> 02:18:38,919
across the street, At Bright

4467
02:18:38,919 --> 02:18:40,621
View, one of the objectives

4468
02:18:40,621 --> 02:18:44,221
there, uh, to address this very

4469
02:18:44,690 --> 02:18:45,825
problem. Is to add 7000 square

4470
02:18:45,825 --> 02:18:48,260
feet at least of commercial

4471
02:18:48,260 --> 02:18:51,665
there. So I, I guess my

4472
02:18:51,665 --> 02:18:53,133
question is if, if we are

4473
02:18:53,133 --> 02:18:56,133
trying to expand commercial in

4474
02:18:56,536 --> 02:18:56,937
this area, um, why aren

4475
02:18:56,937 --> 02:18:58,839
t we

4476
02:18:58,839 --> 02:19:00,773
focusing the approach on this

4477
02:19:00,773 --> 02:19:00,974
particular site in a manner

4478
02:19:00,974 --> 02:19:01,707
that

4479
02:19:01,707 --> 02:19:03,176
s consistent with that

4480
02:19:03,176 --> 02:19:03,709
because that would seem to be

4481
02:19:03,709 --> 02:19:03,810
consistent with the city

4482
02:19:03,810 --> 02:19:05,810
s

4483
02:19:07,981 --> 02:19:08,148
goals. Mhm. I

4484
02:19:08,148 --> 02:19:09,382
ll, I

4485
02:19:09,382 --> 02:19:11,318
ll defer to

4486
02:19:11,318 --> 02:19:11,885
the applicant or the potential

4487
02:19:11,885 --> 02:19:13,519
applicant regarding this

4488
02:19:13,519 --> 02:19:14,820
potential site. Sure thing,

4489
02:19:14,820 --> 02:19:15,788
thanks, thanks, MR. Hart, and

4490
02:19:15,788 --> 02:19:16,423
thanks, Council Member Peterson

4491
02:19:16,423 --> 02:19:16,522
for the question. I think it

4492
02:19:16,522 --> 02:19:18,522
s

4493
02:19:18,658 --> 02:19:20,920
a good one, right, um, you know,

4494
02:19:20,920 --> 02:19:23,300
this site has been a commercial

4495
02:19:23,300 --> 02:19:24,463
use for the last 50 or so years,

4496
02:19:24,463 --> 02:19:25,899
um, for the reasons I described

4497
02:19:25,899 --> 02:19:28,000
the, the existing facilities on

4498
02:19:28,000 --> 02:19:28,768
the site, the, the buildings

4499
02:19:28,768 --> 02:19:29,690
themselves are just, they, you

4500
02:19:29,690 --> 02:19:29,368
know, they

4501
02:19:29,368 --> 02:19:29,569
re, they

4502
02:19:29,569 --> 02:19:29,735
re, they

4503
02:19:29,735 --> 02:19:29,935
re,

4504
02:19:29,935 --> 02:19:30,837
they

4505
02:19:30,837 --> 02:19:32,605
re at the end of their,

4506
02:19:32,605 --> 02:19:33,339
their lifespan, and so the

4507
02:19:33,339 --> 02:19:33,573
question then becomes, what

4508
02:19:33,573 --> 02:19:35,509
s

4509
02:19:35,509 --> 02:19:36,542
next, and so, uh, when we

4510
02:19:36,542 --> 02:19:38,780
looked at this property and

4511
02:19:38,780 --> 02:19:39,460
working with the owner, um,

4512
02:19:39,460 --> 02:19:40,313
trying to figure out what made

4513
02:19:40,313 --> 02:19:41,614
the best sense for Northfas,

4514
02:19:41,614 --> 02:19:42,348
what made the best sense for

4515
02:19:42,348 --> 02:19:45,285
the city as Greg was mentioning.

4516
02:19:45,285 --> 02:19:46,753
Earlier, we thought that

4517
02:19:46,753 --> 02:19:47,688
introducing opportunities for

4518
02:19:47,688 --> 02:19:49,623
homeownership here where

4519
02:19:49,623 --> 02:19:50,724
appropriate. Now, I, I

4520
02:19:50,724 --> 02:19:52,250
acknowledge that there will be

4521
02:19:52,250 --> 02:19:52,993
a reduction in the amount of

4522
02:19:52,993 --> 02:19:53,993
commercial space, certainly

4523
02:19:53,993 --> 02:19:54,460
compared to what

4524
02:19:54,460 --> 02:19:55,896
s there today,

4525
02:19:55,896 --> 02:19:56,964
we are bringing forward what

4526
02:19:56,964 --> 02:19:58,999
what I do believe is a

4527
02:19:58,999 --> 02:20:00,701
meaningful number, 2700 square

4528
02:20:00,701 --> 02:20:02,602
feet. But I think looking at

4529
02:20:02,602 --> 02:20:04,236
the bigger picture here, what

4530
02:20:04,236 --> 02:20:05,973
these these future residents

4531
02:20:05,973 --> 02:20:06,940
will do is support the existing

4532
02:20:06,940 --> 02:20:08,375
commercial uses that are

4533
02:20:08,375 --> 02:20:08,941
already in the area, the

4534
02:20:08,941 --> 02:20:10,310
shopping centers down the

4535
02:20:10,310 --> 02:20:11,745
street, the future growth yet

4536
02:20:11,745 --> 02:20:14,810
to come in Northfax, and so I

4537
02:20:14,810 --> 02:20:16,783
do think that This application,

4538
02:20:16,783 --> 02:20:18,185
this proposal, which is a

4539
02:20:18,185 --> 02:20:20,870
relatively small piece of North

4540
02:20:20,870 --> 02:20:22,122
Facts and the bigger picture

4541
02:20:22,122 --> 02:20:22,288
does have a role to play. Um,

4542
02:20:22,288 --> 02:20:23,290
you

4543
02:20:23,290 --> 02:20:24,657
ve got the botanist coming

4544
02:20:24,657 --> 02:20:24,757
online right now, um, it

4545
02:20:24,757 --> 02:20:25,892
s

4546
02:20:25,892 --> 02:20:26,920
under construction. I think

4547
02:20:26,920 --> 02:20:26,959
that

4548
02:20:26,959 --> 02:20:27,960
s bringing about 5000

4549
02:20:27,960 --> 02:20:29,261
square feet. I forget if you

4550
02:20:29,261 --> 02:20:31,831
mentioned that or not, Council

4551
02:20:31,831 --> 02:20:32,633
member Peterson, but, um,

4552
02:20:32,633 --> 02:20:34,301
looking at this site and, and,

4553
02:20:34,301 --> 02:20:35,701
and, and working through this

4554
02:20:35,701 --> 02:20:36,670
development program, we felt

4555
02:20:36,670 --> 02:20:38,372
that this was the highest and

4556
02:20:38,372 --> 02:20:39,339
the best use for it, and

4557
02:20:39,339 --> 02:20:40,674
certainly something that can be

4558
02:20:40,674 --> 02:20:44,274
a valuable part of the overall

4559
02:20:44,377 --> 02:20:47,377
Northfax community. So I think

4560
02:20:47,914 --> 02:20:48,649
it would be great to maybe, um,

4561
02:20:48,649 --> 02:20:49,816
have an expanded conversation

4562
02:20:49,816 --> 02:20:51,551
that I would like, um, if

4563
02:20:51,551 --> 02:20:52,152
possible, to have the benefit

4564
02:20:52,152 --> 02:20:54,552
of our economic development

4565
02:20:56,490 --> 02:20:59,559
director to be a part of to

4566
02:20:59,559 --> 02:21:00,427
understand the commercial, um,

4567
02:21:00,427 --> 02:21:01,894
status mix and potential goals

4568
02:21:01,894 --> 02:21:04,197
in that area because right

4569
02:21:04,197 --> 02:21:06,799
across the street, there is, of

4570
02:21:06,799 --> 02:21:07,434
course, quite substantial, uh,

4571
02:21:07,434 --> 02:21:07,801
commercial redevelopment going

4572
02:21:07,801 --> 02:21:08,635
on, and I don

4573
02:21:08,635 --> 02:21:10,136
t think the issue

4574
02:21:10,136 --> 02:21:11,905
here is trying to make use of

4575
02:21:11,905 --> 02:21:12,172
the 50-year-old building, so I

4576
02:21:12,172 --> 02:21:12,839
think it

4577
02:21:12,839 --> 02:21:14,808
s pretty clear that

4578
02:21:14,808 --> 02:21:15,742
this is a redevelopment

4579
02:21:15,742 --> 02:21:16,900
scenario under any scenario

4580
02:21:16,900 --> 02:21:17,177
here that

4581
02:21:17,177 --> 02:21:19,112
s taking place, but I

4582
02:21:19,112 --> 02:21:19,279
think the question is whether

4583
02:21:19,279 --> 02:21:20,112
it

4584
02:21:20,112 --> 02:21:21,847
s really the right time and

4585
02:21:21,847 --> 02:21:24,584
place to be knocking out so

4586
02:21:24,584 --> 02:21:25,840
much commercial given these

4587
02:21:25,840 --> 02:21:26,653
circumstances, and I

4588
02:21:26,653 --> 02:21:26,752
d, I

4589
02:21:26,752 --> 02:21:28,421
d

4590
02:21:28,421 --> 02:21:29,388
certainly like to understand

4591
02:21:29,388 --> 02:21:31,391
that more clearly. Uh, the

4592
02:21:31,391 --> 02:21:34,391
other thing that factors into

4593
02:21:37,597 --> 02:21:38,332
that in is um In terms of the

4594
02:21:38,332 --> 02:21:40,732
type of commercial development

4595
02:21:43,700 --> 02:21:44,504
that Is consistent with future

4596
02:21:44,504 --> 02:21:45,938
market conditions and could

4597
02:21:45,938 --> 02:21:48,338
actually, uh, those conditions

4598
02:21:48,941 --> 02:21:50,477
could be shaped a bit by

4599
02:21:50,477 --> 02:21:53,246
proactive things that we might

4600
02:21:53,246 --> 02:21:54,648
do here. Uh, my understanding,

4601
02:21:54,648 --> 02:21:57,480
uh, from our economic

4602
02:21:57,117 --> 02:21:59,953
development director is that uh

4603
02:21:59,953 --> 02:22:03,290
Where the city shines and could

4604
02:22:03,290 --> 02:22:04,925
shine is smaller scale, uh.

4605
02:22:04,925 --> 02:22:06,827
Commercial sites that would be

4606
02:22:06,827 --> 02:22:06,994
of interest to firms. That

4607
02:22:06,994 --> 02:22:07,961
don

4608
02:22:07,961 --> 02:22:10,364
t want to go into the

4609
02:22:10,364 --> 02:22:11,598
really big, um, office building

4610
02:22:11,598 --> 02:22:13,166
developments that are outside

4611
02:22:13,166 --> 02:22:16,766
of the city, but are looking

4612
02:22:17,360 --> 02:22:19,373
for, um Smaller scale, more and

4613
02:22:19,373 --> 02:22:20,874
by definition, uh, more

4614
02:22:20,874 --> 02:22:23,210
affordable also that are

4615
02:22:23,210 --> 02:22:24,811
monetized and it creates a set

4616
02:22:24,811 --> 02:22:27,147
of conditions that those firms

4617
02:22:27,147 --> 02:22:27,947
are looking for, and we have

4618
02:22:27,947 --> 02:22:29,216
some competitive advantages

4619
02:22:29,216 --> 02:22:30,550
there, and this would be a case

4620
02:22:30,550 --> 02:22:31,885
where, you know, this is a site

4621
02:22:31,885 --> 02:22:32,918
that could potentially be

4622
02:22:32,918 --> 02:22:33,419
acting on them. I

4623
02:22:33,419 --> 02:22:35,419
m not sure

4624
02:22:36,222 --> 02:22:38,625
how much of the formulation of

4625
02:22:38,625 --> 02:22:39,558
this proposal has involved

4626
02:22:39,558 --> 02:22:40,327
conversations around economic

4627
02:22:40,327 --> 02:22:41,561
development and commercial

4628
02:22:41,561 --> 02:22:41,795
development in the city, but to

4629
02:22:41,795 --> 02:22:43,795
me that

4630
02:22:44,231 --> 02:22:46,265
s kind of the, uh The

4631
02:22:46,265 --> 02:22:47,600
white elephant here, um, I

4632
02:22:47,600 --> 02:22:49,680
appreciate what you brought

4633
02:22:49,680 --> 02:22:50,337
forward, but I, I do want to

4634
02:22:50,337 --> 02:22:52,372
acknowledge that we have kind

4635
02:22:52,372 --> 02:22:54,708
of a big picture issue here, uh,

4636
02:22:54,708 --> 02:22:57,110
for the city in this particular,

4637
02:22:57,110 --> 02:22:59,979
uh, location that I, I would

4638
02:22:59,979 --> 02:23:00,946
feel more comfortable if we had

4639
02:23:00,946 --> 02:23:02,516
a chance to unpack that a

4640
02:23:02,516 --> 02:23:03,684
little bit here as we decide

4641
02:23:03,684 --> 02:23:06,519
what, what works best here.

4642
02:23:06,519 --> 02:23:09,519
Thank you. Thank you, Council

4643
02:23:12,625 --> 02:23:15,250
member Hardy Chandler. Uh,

4644
02:23:18,598 --> 02:23:19,533
thank you, um. I really

4645
02:23:19,533 --> 02:23:20,967
appreciate slide 4 because I

4646
02:23:20,967 --> 02:23:22,401
think as I mentioned in a

4647
02:23:22,401 --> 02:23:23,904
previous meeting, sometimes we

4648
02:23:23,904 --> 02:23:24,237
look at projects individually

4649
02:23:24,237 --> 02:23:24,937
and we don

4650
02:23:24,937 --> 02:23:27,207
t consider what else

4651
02:23:27,207 --> 02:23:30,309
is going on in the area. So I

4652
02:23:30,309 --> 02:23:31,111
think that we did ask for, uh,

4653
02:23:31,111 --> 02:23:32,679
particularly on the residential

4654
02:23:32,679 --> 02:23:35,916
side, what else is going on and

4655
02:23:35,916 --> 02:23:37,851
where this falls, so in

4656
02:23:37,851 --> 02:23:38,618
Northfax is this proposal

4657
02:23:38,618 --> 02:23:39,353
included in the pre-application

4658
02:23:39,353 --> 02:23:40,153
number that

4659
02:23:40,153 --> 02:23:43,153
s in the upper left

4660
02:23:44,758 --> 02:23:48,358
side. Ok. Thank you. Um, the

4661
02:23:48,661 --> 02:23:50,497
other question that I had was

4662
02:23:50,497 --> 02:23:52,310
for retail you mentioned

4663
02:23:52,310 --> 02:23:52,965
neighborhood serving. What does

4664
02:23:52,965 --> 02:23:54,835
that mean specifically? Can you

4665
02:23:54,835 --> 02:23:57,371
break down what that means for

4666
02:23:57,371 --> 02:23:57,938
me? Sure, sure, and I think

4667
02:23:57,938 --> 02:23:58,705
might shop there

4668
02:23:58,705 --> 02:23:59,805
s things like

4669
02:23:59,805 --> 02:24:02,205
small, small boutiques, perhaps

4670
02:24:02,509 --> 02:24:04,440
a coffee shop, a cafe, a small

4671
02:24:04,440 --> 02:24:05,450
restaurant, things that could,

4672
02:24:05,450 --> 02:24:06,980
as I was mentioning before, you

4673
02:24:06,980 --> 02:24:08,814
know, be used by the, the

4674
02:24:08,814 --> 02:24:09,490
future residents here. And so,

4675
02:24:09,490 --> 02:24:09,548
um, I

4676
02:24:09,548 --> 02:24:09,882
m sure Greg would agree

4677
02:24:09,882 --> 02:24:11,170
with me. It

4678
02:24:11,170 --> 02:24:11,184
s still, again,

4679
02:24:11,184 --> 02:24:13,184
we

4680
02:24:13,787 --> 02:24:15,455
re on step 1 of 1. 100 of

4681
02:24:15,455 --> 02:24:15,689
this process, um, it

4682
02:24:15,689 --> 02:24:17,157
s still

4683
02:24:17,157 --> 02:24:18,191
relatively early. I think as we

4684
02:24:18,191 --> 02:24:19,920
move forward, hopefully that

4685
02:24:19,920 --> 02:24:20,993
vision gets fleshed out a

4686
02:24:20,993 --> 02:24:21,295
little bit more at this point

4687
02:24:21,295 --> 02:24:21,928
anyway, we

4688
02:24:21,928 --> 02:24:23,863
re hoping to

4689
02:24:23,863 --> 02:24:25,331
maintain as much flexibility as

4690
02:24:25,331 --> 02:24:26,299
we can to expand the, the

4691
02:24:26,299 --> 02:24:26,533
universe of potential uses, but

4692
02:24:26,533 --> 02:24:27,934
what we

4693
02:24:27,934 --> 02:24:29,202
re thinking is most

4694
02:24:29,202 --> 02:24:30,570
likely is something like I

4695
02:24:30,570 --> 02:24:31,371
described a small restaurant

4696
02:24:31,371 --> 02:24:33,573
cafe, store, something like

4697
02:24:33,573 --> 02:24:34,641
that you, I just wanted to

4698
02:24:34,641 --> 02:24:35,908
understand the category, um, I

4699
02:24:35,908 --> 02:24:36,843
did read in the report where

4700
02:24:36,843 --> 02:24:37,811
you were talking about the

4701
02:24:37,811 --> 02:24:38,912
buildings being at the end of

4702
02:24:38,912 --> 02:24:41,114
their life. So can you talk a

4703
02:24:41,114 --> 02:24:41,547
little bit about the current

4704
02:24:41,547 --> 02:24:42,416
tenants and so it

4705
02:24:42,416 --> 02:24:43,850
s at the of

4706
02:24:43,850 --> 02:24:46,218
its life, something is going to

4707
02:24:46,218 --> 02:24:47,587
have to happen, right? These

4708
02:24:47,587 --> 02:24:49,987
buildings are not sustainable

4709
02:24:50,623 --> 02:24:52,426
at all. Some choices gonna have

4710
02:24:52,426 --> 02:24:56,495
to be made, um, so for the

4711
02:24:56,495 --> 02:24:59,466
current Tenants, I guess a

4712
02:24:59,466 --> 02:25:00,367
couple of questions there, um,

4713
02:25:00,367 --> 02:25:01,702
any very early thoughts about

4714
02:25:01,702 --> 02:25:04,171
what might happen with them in

4715
02:25:04,171 --> 02:25:06,672
terms of a plan and also what

4716
02:25:06,672 --> 02:25:08,941
is the current vacancy of those

4717
02:25:08,941 --> 02:25:11,341
buildings, the, the current

4718
02:25:11,344 --> 02:25:11,545
vacancy is about 40%, um, and

4719
02:25:11,545 --> 02:25:12,679
that

4720
02:25:12,679 --> 02:25:13,880
s going to grow, um, to

4721
02:25:13,880 --> 02:25:15,649
the, the buildings are set to

4722
02:25:15,649 --> 02:25:18,218
go entirely vacant over the

4723
02:25:18,218 --> 02:25:18,918
next 18 months, um, the, the

4724
02:25:18,918 --> 02:25:19,553
buildings are structurally, you

4725
02:25:19,553 --> 02:25:20,920
know, I don

4726
02:25:20,920 --> 02:25:22,255
t wanna say unsound,

4727
02:25:22,255 --> 02:25:24,570
but in poor condition and it no

4728
02:25:24,570 --> 02:25:25,458
longer makes sense to continue.

4729
02:25:25,458 --> 02:25:26,425
Invest them. So, in any

4730
02:25:26,425 --> 02:25:27,560
scenario, those buildings will

4731
02:25:27,560 --> 02:25:30,631
be closed here in the next 18

4732
02:25:30,631 --> 02:25:33,631
to 24 months. Ok, and you

4733
02:25:34,467 --> 02:25:35,801
mentioned If I heard you

4734
02:25:35,801 --> 02:25:36,903
correctly and another response,

4735
02:25:36,903 --> 02:25:38,672
you mentioned this as being

4736
02:25:38,672 --> 02:25:39,306
different from some of the

4737
02:25:39,306 --> 02:25:39,606
other projects that you

4738
02:25:39,606 --> 02:25:41,606
re

4739
02:25:41,642 --> 02:25:43,376
involved in, is that what went

4740
02:25:43,376 --> 02:25:46,376
into the decision for this

4741
02:25:47,514 --> 02:25:49,216
particular kind of Proposal

4742
02:25:49,216 --> 02:25:50,883
because I think there was a

4743
02:25:50,883 --> 02:25:52,953
mention of rental properties

4744
02:25:52,953 --> 02:25:55,856
and other properties, so was

4745
02:25:55,856 --> 02:25:57,890
this to diversify? Well, in

4746
02:25:57,890 --> 02:25:59,725
terms of this particular plan,

4747
02:25:59,725 --> 02:26:00,660
it was diversifying the housing

4748
02:26:00,660 --> 02:26:01,795
opportunities in this submarket

4749
02:26:01,795 --> 02:26:02,129
right now, right now there

4750
02:26:02,129 --> 02:26:03,130
s a

4751
02:26:03,130 --> 02:26:03,329
rental product coming up and

4752
02:26:03,329 --> 02:26:04,564
there

4753
02:26:04,564 --> 02:26:06,900
s a senior housing and so

4754
02:26:06,900 --> 02:26:08,869
forth and so we saw a distinct

4755
02:26:08,869 --> 02:26:10,804
opportunity, um, specifically

4756
02:26:10,804 --> 02:26:12,105
in townhouses that are smaller,

4757
02:26:12,105 --> 02:26:13,273
more attainable, uh, the 2 over

4758
02:26:13,273 --> 02:26:14,675
2s will be even a lower price

4759
02:26:14,675 --> 02:26:15,842
point, so we felt like that hit

4760
02:26:15,842 --> 02:26:16,108
a real sweet spot that wasn

4761
02:26:16,108 --> 02:26:17,744
t

4762
02:26:17,744 --> 02:26:18,945
an opportunity there. So having

4763
02:26:18,945 --> 02:26:20,112
differentiated product was, was

4764
02:26:20,112 --> 02:26:20,447
very interesting. The other

4765
02:26:20,447 --> 02:26:21,348
thing that

4766
02:26:21,348 --> 02:26:22,783
s about the site

4767
02:26:22,783 --> 02:26:23,830
that, uh, is important to note

4768
02:26:23,830 --> 02:26:23,582
is it

4769
02:26:23,582 --> 02:26:25,452
s a small site, um, it

4770
02:26:25,452 --> 02:26:27,354
s

4771
02:26:27,354 --> 02:26:28,888
Just over 2 acres, um, with the

4772
02:26:28,888 --> 02:26:29,222
hotel to the south, there

4773
02:26:29,222 --> 02:26:30,190
s no

4774
02:26:30,190 --> 02:26:32,392
real opportunity to grow that

4775
02:26:32,392 --> 02:26:34,270
to do a more substantial

4776
02:26:34,270 --> 02:26:35,461
project, um, and so this was an

4777
02:26:35,461 --> 02:26:38,650
opportunity to kind of pack a

4778
02:26:38,650 --> 02:26:39,832
lot into a small bag, so, um,

4779
02:26:39,832 --> 02:26:40,867
if, if checked a lot of boxes.

4780
02:26:40,867 --> 02:26:41,330
Thank you, I appreciate that

4781
02:26:41,330 --> 02:26:41,601
it

4782
02:26:41,601 --> 02:26:44,601
s my questions for now.

4783
02:26:45,906 --> 02:26:47,307
Thank you. COUNCILMAN Hall.

4784
02:26:47,307 --> 02:26:48,809
Sorry, can you give me another

4785
02:26:48,809 --> 02:26:51,209
minute, please? Thanks. Council

4786
02:26:52,913 --> 02:26:55,913
member Bates. Um, I certainly

4787
02:26:57,651 --> 02:26:59,586
do. Overall, um. Like some

4788
02:26:59,586 --> 02:27:02,222
aspects of this project, the,

4789
02:27:02,222 --> 02:27:03,357
uh, the layout of, um, overall

4790
02:27:03,357 --> 02:27:06,357
the sidewalks and, uh, side

4791
02:27:07,928 --> 02:27:09,396
access. Um, I will say that the

4792
02:27:09,396 --> 02:27:11,796
smaller area plan envisions

4793
02:27:12,865 --> 02:27:13,500
this site being all commercial,

4794
02:27:13,500 --> 02:27:15,900
um, understanding that, you

4795
02:27:16,169 --> 02:27:17,537
know, there might be room for

4796
02:27:17,537 --> 02:27:19,973
compromise here, but, um, I

4797
02:27:19,973 --> 02:27:21,508
would like to see, ideally, at

4798
02:27:21,508 --> 02:27:21,708
least half the commercial space

4799
02:27:21,708 --> 02:27:23,708
that

4800
02:27:23,909 --> 02:27:25,379
s there, um, replaced, and,

4801
02:27:25,379 --> 02:27:27,648
uh, you know, there are things

4802
02:27:27,648 --> 02:27:28,382
that could be done in terms of

4803
02:27:28,382 --> 02:27:28,749
perhaps structured parking, um,

4804
02:27:28,749 --> 02:27:29,282
you know, we

4805
02:27:29,282 --> 02:27:30,916
ve seen other

4806
02:27:30,916 --> 02:27:31,180
sites in the city where there

4807
02:27:31,180 --> 02:27:32,452
s,

4808
02:27:32,452 --> 02:27:33,353
uh, you know, a small office

4809
02:27:33,353 --> 02:27:33,986
building with a small, uh,

4810
02:27:33,986 --> 02:27:36,386
parking garage or something

4811
02:27:38,250 --> 02:27:41,361
like that. That, um, and in

4812
02:27:41,361 --> 02:27:43,300
addition to, you know, the

4813
02:27:43,300 --> 02:27:46,300
retail frontage is certainly um

4814
02:27:46,330 --> 02:27:47,868
Uh, needed there, you know, at

4815
02:27:47,868 --> 02:27:49,269
an absolute minimum. But the

4816
02:27:49,269 --> 02:27:51,238
smaller area plan envisions

4817
02:27:51,238 --> 02:27:52,838
that fronting onto the linear

4818
02:27:52,838 --> 02:27:55,740
park, um, which I think is

4819
02:27:55,740 --> 02:27:56,420
perhaps maybe just a matter of

4820
02:27:56,420 --> 02:27:57,100
moving that sidewalk around to

4821
02:27:57,100 --> 02:27:58,912
the other side and, you know,

4822
02:27:58,912 --> 02:28:01,810
having it front onto that

4823
02:28:01,810 --> 02:28:03,617
sidewalk on that side, um, but

4824
02:28:03,617 --> 02:28:06,170
yeah, again, more commercial

4825
02:28:07,119 --> 02:28:08,550
space, uh, office and or retail,

4826
02:28:08,550 --> 02:28:10,556
um, but still certainly, you

4827
02:28:10,556 --> 02:28:11,824
know, I think that having some

4828
02:28:11,824 --> 02:28:14,493
for sale units here, add some

4829
02:28:14,493 --> 02:28:15,228
diversity to The, the housing

4830
02:28:15,228 --> 02:28:18,828
stock in this part of Northfaxs.

4831
02:28:20,330 --> 02:28:21,435
Thank you. Council Member Hall,

4832
02:28:21,435 --> 02:28:21,935
thank you. Sorry, I forgot my

4833
02:28:21,935 --> 02:28:22,302
reading glasses so I

4834
02:28:22,302 --> 02:28:24,302
m having

4835
02:28:24,571 --> 02:28:26,390
to like zoom in or go over to

4836
02:28:26,390 --> 02:28:27,606
the screen, sucks getting old.

4837
02:28:27,606 --> 02:28:28,475
Um, I have a couple, I don

4838
02:28:28,475 --> 02:28:29,509
t

4839
02:28:29,509 --> 02:28:30,877
know if they

4840
02:28:30,877 --> 02:28:32,345
re Clara questions

4841
02:28:32,345 --> 02:28:32,579
or not, but back to slide 4. I

4842
02:28:32,579 --> 02:28:33,747
know we

4843
02:28:33,747 --> 02:28:36,747
re spending a lot of

4844
02:28:37,840 --> 02:28:38,719
time on that, um, the, the

4845
02:28:38,719 --> 02:28:41,119
benchmark estimates of 1400 for

4846
02:28:41,187 --> 02:28:44,187
North Facts and 4700 for the

4847
02:28:44,657 --> 02:28:46,726
activity centers combined. That

4848
02:28:46,726 --> 02:28:47,227
equates to 6100 units, correct?

4849
02:28:47,227 --> 02:28:48,950
If you, you

4850
02:28:48,950 --> 02:28:50,197
re adding those two

4851
02:28:50,197 --> 02:28:52,597
together, or is the 4700

4852
02:28:55,100 --> 02:28:57,401
inclusive of the 4? Inclusive,

4853
02:28:57,871 --> 02:28:58,572
4700 total among all of the

4854
02:28:58,572 --> 02:28:58,738
activities centers, so sorry,

4855
02:28:58,738 --> 02:28:59,272
we

4856
02:28:59,272 --> 02:29:02,872
re gonna have to do math

4857
02:29:03,476 --> 02:29:06,580
real quick. Because I did it

4858
02:29:06,580 --> 02:29:10,780
the other way so what I found,

4859
02:29:17,556 --> 02:29:19,956
uh, sorry, wrong buttons. 41.

4860
02:29:23,897 --> 02:29:26,867
Ok, so 4700. 45, ok, so what I

4861
02:29:26,867 --> 02:29:29,200
found, um, with a quick search

4862
02:29:29,200 --> 02:29:32,200
was that in 2024, the total

4863
02:29:32,271 --> 02:29:35,871
dwelling units in the city was

4864
02:29:39,679 --> 02:29:41,679
10,467. So these proposed

4865
02:29:41,714 --> 02:29:43,714
residential development plans

4866
02:29:47,219 --> 02:29:49,156
to add 4700 units. Which is 45%

4867
02:29:49,156 --> 02:29:50,857
of what we currently have

4868
02:29:50,857 --> 02:29:53,257
available for dwelling units.

4869
02:29:54,227 --> 02:29:56,395
So we are Adding and an

4870
02:29:56,395 --> 02:29:58,795
extraordinary amount. Um, in

4871
02:29:59,733 --> 02:30:00,333
this. Overall proposal, not

4872
02:30:00,333 --> 02:30:01,680
your specific proposal. We

4873
02:30:01,680 --> 02:30:03,680
ll

4874
02:30:05,939 --> 02:30:07,740
be clear on that. Um. And then

4875
02:30:07,740 --> 02:30:09,275
of the 914 units that are

4876
02:30:09,275 --> 02:30:11,275
currently under construction.

4877
02:30:11,677 --> 02:30:12,645
Or am I doing that wrong? It

4878
02:30:12,645 --> 02:30:14,645
should be 4:30 under

4879
02:30:14,815 --> 02:30:17,815
construction or is it 484 total

4880
02:30:19,553 --> 02:30:21,553
under construction. 484 total

4881
02:30:21,989 --> 02:30:24,389
under construction among all 4

4882
02:30:24,857 --> 02:30:27,857
of the activity centers, yeah,

4883
02:30:28,362 --> 02:30:29,229
so then 484 divided by 467 gets

4884
02:30:29,229 --> 02:30:31,229
me to, let

4885
02:30:34,300 --> 02:30:36,669
s call it about 5%.

4886
02:30:36,669 --> 02:30:38,971
So there is 5% of the total

4887
02:30:38,971 --> 02:30:39,673
dwelling units in 2024 that is

4888
02:30:39,673 --> 02:30:42,730
currently under construction in

4889
02:30:43,944 --> 02:30:44,144
the city. I trust your math. I

4890
02:30:44,144 --> 02:30:44,810
didn

4891
02:30:44,810 --> 02:30:46,747
t at first, but then I

4892
02:30:46,747 --> 02:30:48,781
went back and did it the right

4893
02:30:48,781 --> 02:30:48,882
way, um, ok, so what I

4894
02:30:48,882 --> 02:30:49,349
m

4895
02:30:49,349 --> 02:30:50,584
hearing is that we

4896
02:30:50,584 --> 02:30:52,584
re going to

4897
02:30:53,954 --> 02:30:55,550
be adding based upon this slide,

4898
02:30:55,550 --> 02:30:55,354
45% of our existing housing

4899
02:30:55,354 --> 02:30:56,990
stock, we

4900
02:30:56,990 --> 02:30:59,259
re going to be adding

4901
02:30:59,259 --> 02:31:00,560
an additional 45% of that total

4902
02:31:00,560 --> 02:31:03,863
based on what we have on this

4903
02:31:03,863 --> 02:31:06,465
slide. I think those are really

4904
02:31:06,465 --> 02:31:07,401
important numbers. Um Now, to

4905
02:31:07,401 --> 02:31:09,302
your specific proposal, and

4906
02:31:09,302 --> 02:31:12,902
this might be, again, a clarity

4907
02:31:13,607 --> 02:31:15,575
question first, but on page 6,

4908
02:31:15,575 --> 02:31:17,477
the residents in that is right

4909
02:31:17,477 --> 02:31:20,947
near this, I believe that is a

4910
02:31:20,947 --> 02:31:23,347
4-story building. Which is

4911
02:31:23,884 --> 02:31:24,510
roughly 48 ft tall. I believe

4912
02:31:24,510 --> 02:31:24,251
it

4913
02:31:24,251 --> 02:31:25,685
s 5. I

4914
02:31:25,685 --> 02:31:28,210
m going by memory. I

4915
02:31:28,210 --> 02:31:30,189
googled it, but it said 4, but

4916
02:31:30,189 --> 02:31:33,293
is it 5? I think so. I believe

4917
02:31:33,293 --> 02:31:35,280
so. Ok, so 5 ft would be

4918
02:31:35,280 --> 02:31:35,195
roughly 60 ft tall. Ok, so

4919
02:31:35,195 --> 02:31:37,195
you

4920
02:31:37,965 --> 02:31:39,298
re building then. Where

4921
02:31:39,298 --> 02:31:41,668
that frontage there is going to

4922
02:31:41,668 --> 02:31:43,570
be similar to the residents in,

4923
02:31:43,570 --> 02:31:44,704
ok, I will say that makes me

4924
02:31:44,704 --> 02:31:46,390
feel a little better, but still

4925
02:31:46,390 --> 02:31:47,373
not great, so I actually live

4926
02:31:47,373 --> 02:31:49,109
across the street on Eaton

4927
02:31:49,109 --> 02:31:49,376
Place. If you go across and

4928
02:31:49,376 --> 02:31:50,644
down, I

4929
02:31:50,644 --> 02:31:51,844
m in that neighborhood

4930
02:31:51,844 --> 02:31:54,680
there. So this is, this is very,

4931
02:31:54,680 --> 02:31:56,516
very close to home for me. Um,

4932
02:31:56,516 --> 02:31:57,283
you might be surprised based

4933
02:31:57,283 --> 02:31:59,986
upon my other comments along

4934
02:31:59,986 --> 02:32:02,788
the way that I actually do like

4935
02:32:02,788 --> 02:32:04,358
this, um, I do have some

4936
02:32:04,358 --> 02:32:05,359
suggestions though. Um, I do

4937
02:32:05,359 --> 02:32:07,326
feel even though the residents

4938
02:32:07,326 --> 02:32:10,397
in apparently is taller Than I

4939
02:32:10,397 --> 02:32:11,698
thought, I do feel personally

4940
02:32:11,698 --> 02:32:13,132
that townhouses where the

4941
02:32:13,132 --> 02:32:14,134
stackable units are would make

4942
02:32:14,134 --> 02:32:15,469
more sense. I think it would

4943
02:32:15,469 --> 02:32:16,503
keep the height a little bit

4944
02:32:16,503 --> 02:32:17,571
lower there as you

4945
02:32:17,571 --> 02:32:18,872
re driving

4946
02:32:18,872 --> 02:32:20,173
along Chambridge Road, and then

4947
02:32:20,173 --> 02:32:22,573
maybe you could potentially

4948
02:32:22,909 --> 02:32:24,578
repurpose some of the Interior

4949
02:32:24,578 --> 02:32:25,646
town homes to be the stackable

4950
02:32:25,646 --> 02:32:26,545
units, that way you have that

4951
02:32:26,545 --> 02:32:27,460
extra height, but it

4952
02:32:27,460 --> 02:32:28,949
s not

4953
02:32:28,949 --> 02:32:30,490
looming over the street there.

4954
02:32:30,490 --> 02:32:31,784
Um, I know across the street

4955
02:32:31,784 --> 02:32:33,287
from there is the Assembly

4956
02:32:33,287 --> 02:32:35,187
Townhomes, I believe, again,

4957
02:32:35,187 --> 02:32:37,900
someone can correct me, I think

4958
02:32:37,900 --> 02:32:39,260
they are 3 stories tall, so

4959
02:32:39,260 --> 02:32:40,600
might give a little bit more

4960
02:32:40,600 --> 02:32:41,627
balance to what

4961
02:32:41,627 --> 02:32:44,270
s there, um, I

4962
02:32:44,298 --> 02:32:46,266
like the green space. I cannot

4963
02:32:46,266 --> 02:32:47,668
wait until those connections on

4964
02:32:47,668 --> 02:32:49,569
that service road are closed

4965
02:32:49,569 --> 02:32:50,603
off, so this gets us there a

4966
02:32:50,603 --> 02:32:52,305
little bit faster, um, very

4967
02:32:52,305 --> 02:32:54,675
happy to see the 10. Foot

4968
02:32:54,675 --> 02:32:57,750
sidewalk uneaten, the 8 ft

4969
02:32:58,110 --> 02:32:59,845
sidewalk on university, um. The

4970
02:32:59,845 --> 02:33:02,845
parking that is available, the

4971
02:33:03,820 --> 02:33:04,216
88 parking spaces. Uh, again,

4972
02:33:04,216 --> 02:33:06,520
my old eyes are failing me

4973
02:33:06,520 --> 02:33:08,822
today, but it looks like there

4974
02:33:08,822 --> 02:33:10,256
are some, um, guest parking

4975
02:33:10,256 --> 02:33:11,223
spots, Amazon drop off

4976
02:33:11,223 --> 02:33:12,659
deliveries, though kind of

4977
02:33:12,659 --> 02:33:12,858
spots available in addition to

4978
02:33:12,858 --> 02:33:14,940
what

4979
02:33:14,940 --> 02:33:16,620
s at the residences

4980
02:33:16,620 --> 02:33:16,863
themselves. Correct. So, so the

4981
02:33:16,863 --> 02:33:18,130
surface parking spaces are

4982
02:33:18,130 --> 02:33:19,566
really, they could be used for

4983
02:33:19,566 --> 02:33:21,100
both. So the ones on the left

4984
02:33:21,100 --> 02:33:23,360
side, so the west side of the

4985
02:33:23,360 --> 02:33:23,235
site adjacent to the townhouses,

4986
02:33:23,235 --> 02:33:23,937
there

4987
02:33:23,937 --> 02:33:25,172
s, I think there

4988
02:33:25,172 --> 02:33:26,306
s 8 or 9

4989
02:33:26,306 --> 02:33:28,410
spaces there, but some of those

4990
02:33:28,410 --> 02:33:30,770
would be kind of dedicated to

4991
02:33:30,770 --> 02:33:30,777
the, to the stack townhouses,

4992
02:33:30,777 --> 02:33:32,746
the stack townhouses will have

4993
02:33:32,746 --> 02:33:34,140
1 car garages. And so the rest

4994
02:33:34,140 --> 02:33:34,748
of the parking would be

4995
02:33:34,748 --> 02:33:37,500
provided in that surface

4996
02:33:37,500 --> 02:33:38,517
parking area on the left, um,

4997
02:33:38,517 --> 02:33:39,352
the surface parking area on the

4998
02:33:39,352 --> 02:33:41,221
right primarily would be

4999
02:33:41,221 --> 02:33:42,689
devoted to the, the retail, the

5000
02:33:42,689 --> 02:33:44,124
commercial uses, but, you know,

5001
02:33:44,124 --> 02:33:45,258
after hours in the evenings on

5002
02:33:45,258 --> 02:33:46,760
weekends when that space is

5003
02:33:46,760 --> 02:33:48,929
maybe not, maybe not

5004
02:33:48,929 --> 02:33:49,895
functioning. Um, those would be

5005
02:33:49,895 --> 02:33:51,131
theoretically available for

5006
02:33:51,131 --> 02:33:53,531
guests, visitors, things like

5007
02:33:53,567 --> 02:33:54,434
that. Ok. While I, while I have

5008
02:33:54,434 --> 02:33:56,336
the opportunity to speak with

5009
02:33:56,336 --> 02:33:57,771
you, Council Member Hall, just

5010
02:33:57,771 --> 02:33:59,206
real briefly, one of the

5011
02:33:59,206 --> 02:34:01,141
reasons we provided that open

5012
02:34:01,141 --> 02:34:02,643
space area on the south part of

5013
02:34:02,643 --> 02:34:04,110
the screen here was to serve as

5014
02:34:04,110 --> 02:34:06,179
a buffer between those units

5015
02:34:06,179 --> 02:34:06,446
and the residents and, um, it

5016
02:34:06,446 --> 02:34:07,214
s

5017
02:34:07,214 --> 02:34:08,447
about 8000 square feet, give or

5018
02:34:08,447 --> 02:34:09,149
take, and we thought it was the

5019
02:34:09,149 --> 02:34:12,219
right move to provide a little

5020
02:34:12,219 --> 02:34:13,186
bit of a buffer there, but I, I

5021
02:34:13,186 --> 02:34:14,121
appreciate your suggestions

5022
02:34:14,121 --> 02:34:14,820
about potentially looking at

5023
02:34:14,820 --> 02:34:15,880
shifting things around a little

5024
02:34:15,880 --> 02:34:15,822
bit. We

5025
02:34:15,822 --> 02:34:16,230
ll look at that. I just

5026
02:34:16,230 --> 02:34:17,570
didn

5027
02:34:17,570 --> 02:34:18,659
t want to MISS That. Ok,

5028
02:34:18,659 --> 02:34:19,626
no, I appreciate that, uh, and

5029
02:34:19,626 --> 02:34:19,925
I do also appreciate the buffer,

5030
02:34:19,925 --> 02:34:21,161
and I

5031
02:34:21,161 --> 02:34:22,996
m sure people that live

5032
02:34:22,996 --> 02:34:24,898
there will also appreciate it.

5033
02:34:24,898 --> 02:34:28,302
Um, the, these are all going to

5034
02:34:28,302 --> 02:34:30,670
be for sale units, correct? Ok,

5035
02:34:30,670 --> 02:34:30,837
and based upon the number that

5036
02:34:30,837 --> 02:34:32,572
you

5037
02:34:32,572 --> 02:34:34,410
re putting in 6% of them

5038
02:34:34,410 --> 02:34:35,275
will be affordable? Uh, I

5039
02:34:35,275 --> 02:34:35,442
believe for the townhouses,

5040
02:34:35,442 --> 02:34:36,209
it

5041
02:34:36,209 --> 02:34:36,442
s 10%. MR. Harden

5042
02:34:36,442 --> 02:34:38,144
s nodding

5043
02:34:38,144 --> 02:34:40,544
his head, correct? 6% would

5044
02:34:40,547 --> 02:34:40,747
apply to multi-family. Ok, I

5045
02:34:40,747 --> 02:34:42,315
wasn

5046
02:34:42,315 --> 02:34:43,317
t sure if the combination

5047
02:34:43,317 --> 02:34:46,219
of the townhouses and the and

5048
02:34:46,219 --> 02:34:48,622
it would be split. So 10% on

5049
02:34:48,622 --> 02:34:51,959
the, the townhouse and on the,

5050
02:34:51,959 --> 02:34:52,992
the 2/2 is a stack to those

5051
02:34:52,992 --> 02:34:55,328
would be multi-family per

5052
02:34:55,328 --> 02:34:56,996
zoning, and so that would be 6%

5053
02:34:56,996 --> 02:34:58,765
on this. So I think it

5054
02:34:58,765 --> 02:35:00,765
s 3 or

5055
02:35:02,736 --> 02:35:03,360
43 or 43 or 4, I think. Ok, uh,

5056
02:35:03,360 --> 02:35:04,370
and I don

5057
02:35:04,370 --> 02:35:05,572
t mean to be naive

5058
02:35:05,572 --> 02:35:08,342
about the 2/2 units, but when

5059
02:35:08,342 --> 02:35:10,343
it says 82/2, does that mean 16

5060
02:35:10,343 --> 02:35:12,579
units total, or that means 8

5061
02:35:12,579 --> 02:35:15,579
units, like 4 of 8 total. Ok,

5062
02:35:16,215 --> 02:35:17,500
correct. Ok, um, I

5063
02:35:17,500 --> 02:35:19,500
m happy to

5064
02:35:19,419 --> 02:35:20,786
see the dwelling units per acre

5065
02:35:20,786 --> 02:35:23,423
at a reasonable 17.7 in my

5066
02:35:23,423 --> 02:35:23,590
opinion. Um The private street

5067
02:35:23,590 --> 02:35:25,258
you

5068
02:35:25,258 --> 02:35:26,259
re referring to, is this,

5069
02:35:26,259 --> 02:35:28,950
this, the trash and all of

5070
02:35:28,950 --> 02:35:30,631
those things would be handled

5071
02:35:30,631 --> 02:35:30,963
entirely by the complex itself.

5072
02:35:30,963 --> 02:35:31,298
Because they

5073
02:35:31,298 --> 02:35:32,231
re townhouses,

5074
02:35:32,231 --> 02:35:33,567
right? So they don

5075
02:35:33,567 --> 02:35:35,567
t, oh, so

5076
02:35:36,970 --> 02:35:38,700
they do get city services the

5077
02:35:38,700 --> 02:35:40,470
townhouses would get city

5078
02:35:41,307 --> 02:35:41,942
services, yes. Stacked units

5079
02:35:41,942 --> 02:35:42,476
would not. That

5080
02:35:42,476 --> 02:35:42,643
s correct. I

5081
02:35:42,643 --> 02:35:44,643
don

5082
02:35:45,278 --> 02:35:45,479
t know how that

5083
02:35:45,479 --> 02:35:47,479
s gonna

5084
02:35:48,150 --> 02:35:49,449
work. Um, similar situation in

5085
02:35:49,449 --> 02:35:52,319
Mount Vineyard at the corner of

5086
02:35:52,319 --> 02:35:53,519
Oak and Main Street has similar

5087
02:35:53,519 --> 02:35:55,721
setup townhouses and 2 of her

5088
02:35:55,721 --> 02:35:57,658
tubs and, and condominiums in

5089
02:35:57,658 --> 02:36:00,590
that development, so it is

5090
02:36:00,590 --> 02:36:02,290
split. Ok, different colored

5091
02:36:02,290 --> 02:36:03,530
trash cans on different units,

5092
02:36:03,530 --> 02:36:04,865
I think I was gonna say I was

5093
02:36:04,865 --> 02:36:06,967
gonna fighting over some

5094
02:36:06,967 --> 02:36:08,368
dumpster, but maybe not, um,

5095
02:36:08,368 --> 02:36:11,305
and again, I know this is step

5096
02:36:11,305 --> 02:36:13,206
1 of 100. Um, I do think, again,

5097
02:36:13,206 --> 02:36:15,275
I, I live right near here, what

5098
02:36:15,275 --> 02:36:18,110
I think we are lacking is, like

5099
02:36:18,110 --> 02:36:19,946
you said, a cafe style place, a

5100
02:36:19,946 --> 02:36:21,515
place that does sandwiches, a

5101
02:36:21,515 --> 02:36:23,449
place that does a nice lunch,

5102
02:36:23,449 --> 02:36:25,351
you can get some stuff for

5103
02:36:25,351 --> 02:36:27,187
dinner, takeout, um, I love

5104
02:36:27,187 --> 02:36:27,354
coffee shops, but when they

5105
02:36:27,354 --> 02:36:28,880
don

5106
02:36:28,880 --> 02:36:28,956
t serve sufficient food

5107
02:36:28,956 --> 02:36:30,724
like we have enough coffee

5108
02:36:30,724 --> 02:36:31,223
shops right now. So again, I

5109
02:36:31,223 --> 02:36:32,626
know that that

5110
02:36:32,626 --> 02:36:33,660
s in the weeds,

5111
02:36:33,660 --> 02:36:35,996
but I live here, I have a

5112
02:36:35,996 --> 02:36:38,310
vested interest in, in seeing

5113
02:36:38,310 --> 02:36:40,266
something like that succeed, um,

5114
02:36:40,266 --> 02:36:40,901
but I, I have to say I, I am

5115
02:36:40,901 --> 02:36:41,000
pleasantly surprised and I

5116
02:36:41,000 --> 02:36:41,935
m

5117
02:36:41,935 --> 02:36:43,270
sure those that are watching at

5118
02:36:43,270 --> 02:36:43,370
home are like, wow, she

5119
02:36:43,370 --> 02:36:44,571
s

5120
02:36:44,571 --> 02:36:45,706
actually supporting something,

5121
02:36:45,706 --> 02:36:47,507
right? Um, and, and I am, I, I

5122
02:36:47,507 --> 02:36:49,409
again, I would like to see

5123
02:36:49,409 --> 02:36:51,440
maybe the, the shift of the

5124
02:36:51,440 --> 02:36:51,611
stackable over to the back, but,

5125
02:36:51,611 --> 02:36:52,779
um, I, I think there

5126
02:36:52,779 --> 02:36:54,880
s a lot of

5127
02:36:54,880 --> 02:36:57,184
really good things here, um,

5128
02:36:57,184 --> 02:36:59,685
you did mention that the

5129
02:36:59,685 --> 02:37:00,988
current tenants were 40%. 40%

5130
02:37:00,988 --> 02:37:02,522
vacant right now and expected

5131
02:37:02,522 --> 02:37:04,590
to transition out in the next

5132
02:37:04,590 --> 02:37:05,792
18 months is that simply

5133
02:37:05,792 --> 02:37:06,826
because the owner of the

5134
02:37:06,826 --> 02:37:08,195
building knows he wants to do,

5135
02:37:08,195 --> 02:37:12,395
he or she wants to do something

5136
02:37:12,499 --> 02:37:14,501
and is not renewing leases. The,

5137
02:37:14,501 --> 02:37:16,469
uh, the value of the leases are

5138
02:37:16,469 --> 02:37:17,771
far below the, the cost of, uh,

5139
02:37:17,771 --> 02:37:18,939
fix the building up to the

5140
02:37:18,939 --> 02:37:19,406
state where we remain leasable,

5141
02:37:19,406 --> 02:37:20,674
so it doesn

5142
02:37:20,674 --> 02:37:23,740
t make any economic

5143
02:37:24,770 --> 02:37:26,113
sense any any longer. And what

5144
02:37:26,113 --> 02:37:26,947
is currently in space it

5145
02:37:26,947 --> 02:37:28,947
s

5146
02:37:29,850 --> 02:37:31,184
about and about 2/3 office, so

5147
02:37:31,184 --> 02:37:34,487
they kind of local small office

5148
02:37:34,487 --> 02:37:35,956
kind of users. Ok, do, do we

5149
02:37:35,956 --> 02:37:37,557
know if we anticipate the

5150
02:37:37,557 --> 02:37:38,859
people that are there currently

5151
02:37:38,859 --> 02:37:40,926
wanting to remain in the city,

5152
02:37:40,926 --> 02:37:41,861
are there options for them, or

5153
02:37:41,861 --> 02:37:42,950
is that just they

5154
02:37:42,950 --> 02:37:43,630
re likely

5155
02:37:43,630 --> 02:37:44,310
gone. Yeah, I think, and you

5156
02:37:44,310 --> 02:37:44,630
know, the owner

5157
02:37:44,630 --> 02:37:46,990
s not with us

5158
02:37:46,990 --> 02:37:46,266
this evening, but, you know,

5159
02:37:46,266 --> 02:37:46,767
we

5160
02:37:46,767 --> 02:37:48,535
ve had conversations with

5161
02:37:48,535 --> 02:37:50,870
them. I think we would be

5162
02:37:50,870 --> 02:37:52,571
absolutely very open to working

5163
02:37:52,571 --> 02:37:53,240
with economic development and

5164
02:37:53,240 --> 02:37:54,808
facilitating relocation in the

5165
02:37:54,808 --> 02:37:56,242
city if that, if that is a

5166
02:37:56,242 --> 02:37:57,611
possibility. Um, the, the

5167
02:37:57,611 --> 02:37:58,545
ownership group that owns this,

5168
02:37:58,545 --> 02:37:59,479
this, these buildings today

5169
02:37:59,479 --> 02:38:00,981
have owned for quite a long

5170
02:38:00,981 --> 02:38:01,682
time. And so, um, you know,

5171
02:38:01,682 --> 02:38:03,116
they have, they, they, they

5172
02:38:03,116 --> 02:38:04,217
very much want to do. Do right

5173
02:38:04,217 --> 02:38:05,419
by their attendants as, as they,

5174
02:38:05,419 --> 02:38:06,520
as they move on, as they move

5175
02:38:06,520 --> 02:38:07,387
out, and so that

5176
02:38:07,387 --> 02:38:07,587
s something

5177
02:38:07,587 --> 02:38:08,488
that

5178
02:38:08,488 --> 02:38:09,822
ll be working through

5179
02:38:09,822 --> 02:38:11,223
throughout this process and,

5180
02:38:11,223 --> 02:38:12,459
and beyond, um, one more thing

5181
02:38:12,459 --> 02:38:12,725
while I have the microphone and

5182
02:38:12,725 --> 02:38:14,940
I, I

5183
02:38:14,940 --> 02:38:15,270
d be remis with that at

5184
02:38:15,270 --> 02:38:17,640
the risk of snatching defeat

5185
02:38:17,640 --> 02:38:18,465
from the jaws of victory here.

5186
02:38:18,465 --> 02:38:20,434
Um, green space you mentioned

5187
02:38:20,434 --> 02:38:22,368
on, on Chambridge Road here,

5188
02:38:22,368 --> 02:38:24,371
just to be very clear, what we

5189
02:38:24,371 --> 02:38:24,571
did there is we, we took, um,

5190
02:38:24,571 --> 02:38:24,905
what

5191
02:38:24,905 --> 02:38:25,272
s in the city

5192
02:38:25,272 --> 02:38:27,272
s plans

5193
02:38:27,307 --> 02:38:28,108
right now for the intersection

5194
02:38:28,108 --> 02:38:29,676
improvements at Eaton Place in

5195
02:38:29,676 --> 02:38:30,643
University, and we kind of

5196
02:38:30,643 --> 02:38:30,944
overlaid that, what that

5197
02:38:30,944 --> 02:38:31,578
s

5198
02:38:31,578 --> 02:38:33,580
going to look like in the

5199
02:38:33,580 --> 02:38:35,582
future. Just to be very clear,

5200
02:38:35,582 --> 02:38:37,170
ok, so not a pocket park there.

5201
02:38:37,170 --> 02:38:37,384
Correct. This, this, that

5202
02:38:37,384 --> 02:38:38,850
s

5203
02:38:38,850 --> 02:38:38,452
really for illustrative

5204
02:38:38,452 --> 02:38:39,319
purposes, that

5205
02:38:39,319 --> 02:38:41,355
s going to be

5206
02:38:41,355 --> 02:38:41,888
done in the future when the

5207
02:38:41,888 --> 02:38:42,823
intersection improvement

5208
02:38:42,823 --> 02:38:45,591
project goes forward. And so

5209
02:38:45,591 --> 02:38:46,125
what we did is we just simply

5210
02:38:46,125 --> 02:38:47,260
overlaid the city

5211
02:38:47,260 --> 02:38:48,270
s plans onto

5212
02:38:48,270 --> 02:38:49,128
these drawings to show what it

5213
02:38:49,128 --> 02:38:49,463
will look like in the future

5214
02:38:49,463 --> 02:38:50,931
when it

5215
02:38:50,931 --> 02:38:52,132
s all said and done, I

5216
02:38:52,132 --> 02:38:53,332
appreciate your honesty and

5217
02:38:53,332 --> 02:38:54,368
transparency on that one the

5218
02:38:54,368 --> 02:38:54,701
other spaces on the site, we

5219
02:38:54,701 --> 02:38:56,435
ll

5220
02:38:56,435 --> 02:39:00,350
take care of those. Ok, great.

5221
02:39:00,741 --> 02:39:01,975
Thank you very much. Council

5222
02:39:01,975 --> 02:39:04,975
member Peterson. Yeah, I was

5223
02:39:05,879 --> 02:39:07,381
wrong on my math. And council

5224
02:39:07,381 --> 02:39:09,216
member Hall was kind enough to

5225
02:39:09,216 --> 02:39:12,816
recut the numbers, and I just

5226
02:39:14,488 --> 02:39:16,690
wanted to, um, reinforce that,

5227
02:39:16,690 --> 02:39:17,957
uh, the 45% growth in

5228
02:39:17,957 --> 02:39:18,124
households over 1015 years, but

5229
02:39:18,124 --> 02:39:20,124
let

5230
02:39:21,727 --> 02:39:22,895
s call it 10 years, um, is

5231
02:39:22,895 --> 02:39:23,229
more than 4 times, it

5232
02:39:23,229 --> 02:39:24,797
s 4.5

5233
02:39:24,797 --> 02:39:25,632
times the rate of household

5234
02:39:25,632 --> 02:39:27,734
growth that occurred in the

5235
02:39:27,734 --> 02:39:31,400
last in the period of 2020 to

5236
02:39:31,400 --> 02:39:34,604
2025 in the city. So this just,

5237
02:39:34,841 --> 02:39:35,776
again, this is not an issue

5238
02:39:35,776 --> 02:39:38,176
with this particular proposal,

5239
02:39:39,145 --> 02:39:40,781
but it is a general question

5240
02:39:40,781 --> 02:39:43,160
and concern about the overall

5241
02:39:43,160 --> 02:39:44,518
volume and rate of growth for

5242
02:39:44,518 --> 02:39:45,651
residential units because it

5243
02:39:45,651 --> 02:39:46,520
far surpasses both in rate and

5244
02:39:46,520 --> 02:39:47,386
volume, what we

5245
02:39:47,386 --> 02:39:49,786
ve seen in the

5246
02:39:49,790 --> 02:39:50,723
last 5 years. Of of course, the

5247
02:39:50,723 --> 02:39:52,124
backdrop is we

5248
02:39:52,124 --> 02:39:53,592
re down economic

5249
02:39:53,592 --> 02:39:54,940
and population growth, so it

5250
02:39:54,940 --> 02:39:54,261
s,

5251
02:39:54,261 --> 02:39:56,960
it

5252
02:39:56,960 --> 02:39:57,763
s even more reason to be

5253
02:39:57,763 --> 02:39:59,700
wondering, um, how best to

5254
02:39:59,700 --> 02:40:01,568
approach these things. I think

5255
02:40:01,568 --> 02:40:02,401
it underscores the need to have

5256
02:40:02,401 --> 02:40:04,801
this conversation about the

5257
02:40:05,471 --> 02:40:06,907
commercial. Strategy for this

5258
02:40:06,907 --> 02:40:08,342
area and what that looks like

5259
02:40:08,342 --> 02:40:08,942
and whether there are yet

5260
02:40:08,942 --> 02:40:09,142
opportunities that you all

5261
02:40:09,142 --> 02:40:10,277
haven

5262
02:40:10,277 --> 02:40:12,713
t been able to capture

5263
02:40:12,713 --> 02:40:14,681
yet that might tap into that.

5264
02:40:14,681 --> 02:40:16,749
Um, and I think it also, uh,

5265
02:40:16,749 --> 02:40:18,484
makes us think a little bit

5266
02:40:18,484 --> 02:40:18,952
twice about, um, how we

5267
02:40:18,952 --> 02:40:19,886
re

5268
02:40:19,886 --> 02:40:21,886
approaching the residential

5269
02:40:21,888 --> 02:40:23,890
unit additions, um, across the

5270
02:40:23,890 --> 02:40:24,791
board in small area plans. I

5271
02:40:24,791 --> 02:40:26,627
appreciate what you all have

5272
02:40:26,627 --> 02:40:27,327
done and I appreciate your

5273
02:40:27,327 --> 02:40:29,496
flexibility and openness here,

5274
02:40:29,496 --> 02:40:29,663
and this is a first swing, what

5275
02:40:29,663 --> 02:40:31,431
you

5276
02:40:31,431 --> 02:40:32,399
ve done, but I, I think it

5277
02:40:32,399 --> 02:40:34,500
is good and fair to give you

5278
02:40:34,500 --> 02:40:36,536
sort of some feedback. In terms

5279
02:40:36,536 --> 02:40:38,338
of this whole commercial issue

5280
02:40:38,338 --> 02:40:39,840
and hope that we maybe can look

5281
02:40:39,840 --> 02:40:40,873
into that a little bit more

5282
02:40:40,873 --> 02:40:44,473
clearly as we go forward. Thank

5283
02:40:46,580 --> 02:40:48,980
you. Councilmember Bates. Just

5284
02:40:50,784 --> 02:40:51,618
an additional comment, um In,

5285
02:40:51,618 --> 02:40:54,530
uh, the interest of perhaps

5286
02:40:54,530 --> 02:40:55,155
having some give and take here,

5287
02:40:55,155 --> 02:40:56,889
um, I could see, and um, you

5288
02:40:56,889 --> 02:40:58,392
know, maybe this is something

5289
02:40:58,392 --> 02:41:00,426
that you might not necessarily

5290
02:41:00,426 --> 02:41:03,196
even want to do, given, uh,

5291
02:41:03,196 --> 02:41:05,599
marking conditions, but I could

5292
02:41:05,599 --> 02:41:06,600
see in exchange for, uh, more

5293
02:41:06,600 --> 02:41:07,968
significant amount of

5294
02:41:07,968 --> 02:41:09,736
commercial space, uh, going to

5295
02:41:09,736 --> 02:41:11,338
all 2 over 2s, for example, to

5296
02:41:11,338 --> 02:41:11,905
maintain, you know, the number

5297
02:41:11,905 --> 02:41:12,500
of units roughly that you

5298
02:41:12,500 --> 02:41:14,500
ve

5299
02:41:16,310 --> 02:41:17,900
proposed. Um, in exchange for

5300
02:41:17,900 --> 02:41:19,900
providing additional commercial

5301
02:41:19,746 --> 02:41:21,315
space here. Um, again, ideally,

5302
02:41:21,315 --> 02:41:22,115
at least half what

5303
02:41:22,115 --> 02:41:23,616
s there. But,

5304
02:41:23,616 --> 02:41:26,420
um, also just want to point out

5305
02:41:26,420 --> 02:41:26,720
that in addition to the 5-story

5306
02:41:26,720 --> 02:41:28,355
hotel that

5307
02:41:28,355 --> 02:41:30,755
s, um, directly to

5308
02:41:31,725 --> 02:41:33,225
the south, the office building

5309
02:41:33,225 --> 02:41:35,161
next to the assembly on the

5310
02:41:35,161 --> 02:41:35,829
west side of Chambridge Road,

5311
02:41:35,829 --> 02:41:37,631
uh, that basically backs right

5312
02:41:37,631 --> 02:41:39,967
up to the community. There is

5313
02:41:39,967 --> 02:41:41,100
also 4 stories, so very in

5314
02:41:41,100 --> 02:41:43,401
keeping with the current

5315
02:41:43,602 --> 02:41:44,904
character of that area. Um, and

5316
02:41:44,904 --> 02:41:46,340
additionally, the small area

5317
02:41:46,340 --> 02:41:48,275
planner recommends a maximum of

5318
02:41:48,275 --> 02:41:48,775
7 stories here. So you even

5319
02:41:48,775 --> 02:41:50,677
have some additional

5320
02:41:50,677 --> 02:41:52,645
flexibility, but I think that 4

5321
02:41:52,645 --> 02:41:55,645
stories throughout the site, um,

5322
02:41:58,185 --> 02:42:00,585
would certainly be reasonable.

5323
02:42:01,320 --> 02:42:03,857
Other questions or comments? Ok,

5324
02:42:03,857 --> 02:42:07,493
so, um. I think this is a good

5325
02:42:07,493 --> 02:42:08,427
project, I like it, I think.

5326
02:42:08,427 --> 02:42:09,863
Townhouses and 202s in this

5327
02:42:09,863 --> 02:42:11,631
location is going to be very

5328
02:42:11,631 --> 02:42:13,933
appealing because of its

5329
02:42:13,933 --> 02:42:15,201
proximity to I-66. I predict

5330
02:42:15,201 --> 02:42:15,401
they will be sold before

5331
02:42:15,401 --> 02:42:17,401
they

5332
02:42:17,504 --> 02:42:18,338
re completed. Uh, it also

5333
02:42:18,338 --> 02:42:19,873
backs, it, it

5334
02:42:19,873 --> 02:42:22,273
s gives access to

5335
02:42:22,375 --> 02:42:24,276
the I-66 trail. A very

5336
02:42:24,276 --> 02:42:25,278
significant, and they

5337
02:42:25,278 --> 02:42:26,379
re just

5338
02:42:26,379 --> 02:42:28,248
additions and implementation

5339
02:42:28,248 --> 02:42:31,151
for the I-66 trail, and this

5340
02:42:31,151 --> 02:42:33,530
housing is right there. As far

5341
02:42:33,530 --> 02:42:35,489
as the retail, when I see, I

5342
02:42:35,489 --> 02:42:35,655
see what you see, which is

5343
02:42:35,655 --> 02:42:37,190
you

5344
02:42:37,190 --> 02:42:38,825
ve got 2 hotels, you

5345
02:42:38,825 --> 02:42:39,892
ve got,

5346
02:42:39,892 --> 02:42:41,427
uh, the botanist over here, and

5347
02:42:41,427 --> 02:42:42,663
the re the the retail is

5348
02:42:42,663 --> 02:42:43,329
probably going to be the

5349
02:42:43,329 --> 02:42:45,532
services those people want to

5350
02:42:45,532 --> 02:42:46,466
walk to. And that just makes

5351
02:42:46,466 --> 02:42:47,501
sense that that

5352
02:42:47,501 --> 02:42:48,350
s the kind of

5353
02:42:48,350 --> 02:42:48,401
commercial retail that

5354
02:42:48,401 --> 02:42:49,936
s gonna

5355
02:42:49,936 --> 02:42:50,903
be there is the kind that

5356
02:42:50,903 --> 02:42:52,204
serves that community. I like

5357
02:42:52,204 --> 02:42:53,607
the fact that it

5358
02:42:53,607 --> 02:42:56,700
s so few units

5359
02:42:56,108 --> 02:42:57,978
because the smaller units on

5360
02:42:57,978 --> 02:42:59,790
these small parcels give, um, a

5361
02:42:59,790 --> 02:43:00,847
better opportunity to create a

5362
02:43:00,847 --> 02:43:02,783
closer community. I mean, you

5363
02:43:02,783 --> 02:43:03,717
look at some places in Northern

5364
02:43:03,717 --> 02:43:05,151
Virginia that have townhouses,

5365
02:43:05,151 --> 02:43:06,820
communities that are just

5366
02:43:06,820 --> 02:43:08,789
hundreds and hundreds of

5367
02:43:08,789 --> 02:43:11,789
townhouses, and I think with

5368
02:43:12,590 --> 02:43:12,926
the number, we have other small

5369
02:43:12,926 --> 02:43:13,493
townhouse developments. It just

5370
02:43:13,493 --> 02:43:16,493
gives a greater sense of

5371
02:43:16,964 --> 02:43:18,498
community. I I think, but the

5372
02:43:18,498 --> 02:43:20,267
proximity to I-66 and I-66

5373
02:43:20,267 --> 02:43:22,668
trail are gonna make them

5374
02:43:22,668 --> 02:43:24,104
highly, highly desirable, I

5375
02:43:24,104 --> 02:43:25,304
believe. And so I really liked

5376
02:43:25,304 --> 02:43:25,639
the project. I know you

5377
02:43:25,639 --> 02:43:26,974
ve gone

5378
02:43:26,974 --> 02:43:29,475
above and beyond on the green

5379
02:43:29,475 --> 02:43:29,643
space in the Linear Park and

5380
02:43:29,643 --> 02:43:30,110
you

5381
02:43:30,110 --> 02:43:31,345
re paying attention not

5382
02:43:31,345 --> 02:43:32,379
only to what the small area

5383
02:43:32,379 --> 02:43:32,779
plan calls for, you

5384
02:43:32,779 --> 02:43:34,347
re paying

5385
02:43:34,347 --> 02:43:34,681
attention to what you

5386
02:43:34,681 --> 02:43:36,681
ve

5387
02:43:36,717 --> 02:43:39,117
historically heard the feedback

5388
02:43:39,552 --> 02:43:40,554
from this council on other

5389
02:43:40,554 --> 02:43:41,488
projects, dpi adaptive fitness

5390
02:43:41,488 --> 02:43:42,456
is in this complex. They

5391
02:43:42,456 --> 02:43:43,357
re on

5392
02:43:43,357 --> 02:43:43,456
the first floor. Um, I don

5393
02:43:43,456 --> 02:43:45,910
t

5394
02:43:45,910 --> 02:43:47,894
know what other business are

5395
02:43:47,894 --> 02:43:49,296
there, we have vacancy in the

5396
02:43:49,296 --> 02:43:50,731
city for like accountants and

5397
02:43:50,731 --> 02:43:52,665
medical space and things like

5398
02:43:52,665 --> 02:43:55,665
that. But dpi adaptive fitness

5399
02:43:56,203 --> 02:43:58,380
is a very unique Space that has

5400
02:43:58,380 --> 02:44:00,807
been configured in a, in a

5401
02:44:00,807 --> 02:44:01,700
specific way. And so I think I

5402
02:44:01,700 --> 02:44:02,308
haven

5403
02:44:02,308 --> 02:44:05,144
t spoken with Devon or

5404
02:44:05,144 --> 02:44:06,613
anyone else over there, but the

5405
02:44:06,613 --> 02:44:09,810
city obviously has plenty of

5406
02:44:09,810 --> 02:44:10,160
time to work with them to find

5407
02:44:10,160 --> 02:44:11,840
another location in the city,

5408
02:44:11,840 --> 02:44:11,418
but, you know, so it

5409
02:44:11,418 --> 02:44:12,919
s

5410
02:44:12,919 --> 02:44:14,287
important that we know who our

5411
02:44:14,287 --> 02:44:14,488
businesses are. I believe that

5412
02:44:14,488 --> 02:44:15,722
they

5413
02:44:15,722 --> 02:44:16,822
ll want to stay here in

5414
02:44:16,822 --> 02:44:18,124
the city, but we

5415
02:44:18,124 --> 02:44:20,124
re the first

5416
02:44:20,594 --> 02:44:22,429
step of 100, people are now on

5417
02:44:22,429 --> 02:44:23,960
notice that we need, and I

5418
02:44:23,960 --> 02:44:25,496
think our economic development

5419
02:44:25,666 --> 02:44:26,532
team will in fact find Spaces

5420
02:44:26,532 --> 02:44:27,700
for the businesses that want to

5421
02:44:27,700 --> 02:44:30,303
stay here, and I hope they all

5422
02:44:30,303 --> 02:44:30,937
want to stay here, but I think

5423
02:44:30,937 --> 02:44:32,806
the fitness definitely will

5424
02:44:32,806 --> 02:44:34,174
want to stay here. So I have

5425
02:44:34,174 --> 02:44:36,760
confidence. I really have

5426
02:44:36,760 --> 02:44:36,942
confidence in this project and

5427
02:44:36,942 --> 02:44:39,413
look forward to seeing you come

5428
02:44:39,413 --> 02:44:39,578
back. Um, based on the feedback

5429
02:44:39,578 --> 02:44:41,348
you

5430
02:44:41,348 --> 02:44:43,450
ve gotten. So thank you

5431
02:44:43,450 --> 02:44:46,450
very much. Thank you I

5432
02:44:47,154 --> 02:44:48,188
appreciate the feedback. MISS

5433
02:44:48,188 --> 02:44:48,956
Shenterbury before I announce

5434
02:44:48,956 --> 02:44:49,588
the next item, and it was a

5435
02:44:49,588 --> 02:44:50,570
little early, but I

5436
02:44:50,570 --> 02:44:52,570
m just

5437
02:44:54,293 --> 02:44:56,195
doing a time check, a 9:45. Ok,

5438
02:44:56,195 --> 02:44:59,795
so our last work session item

5439
02:45:02,100 --> 02:45:03,603
is a discussion of a request by

5440
02:45:03,603 --> 02:45:06,300
combined courthouse llcc/o

5441
02:45:07,941 --> 02:45:10,341
combined Columbia Glade llc.

5442
02:45:12,646 --> 02:45:15,460
20049 for the redevelopment of

5443
02:45:19,385 --> 02:45:21,785
10,300 Willard Way in Pris

5444
02:45:25,157 --> 02:45:26,159
57220004d and 3922 Blenheim

5445
02:45:26,159 --> 02:45:26,292
Boulevard in Perez 57220003a.

5446
02:45:26,292 --> 02:45:27,930
I

5447
02:45:27,930 --> 02:45:28,328
m gonna recognize Claire

5448
02:45:28,328 --> 02:45:30,998
Schweiger, our city planner for

5449
02:45:30,998 --> 02:45:32,310
the staff presentation. Ok,

5450
02:45:32,310 --> 02:45:33,767
moving right along to

5451
02:45:33,767 --> 02:45:36,737
Courthouse Plaza. This is a

5452
02:45:36,737 --> 02:45:38,571
work session to discuss a

5453
02:45:38,571 --> 02:45:39,206
redevelopment proposal at

5454
02:45:39,206 --> 02:45:41,206
10,300 Willard Way and 3922

5455
02:45:42,643 --> 02:45:44,111
Blenheim Boulevard. We are

5456
02:45:44,111 --> 02:45:45,846
currently in the post

5457
02:45:45,846 --> 02:45:47,314
submission phase of the

5458
02:45:47,314 --> 02:45:48,347
development review process. So

5459
02:45:48,347 --> 02:45:49,382
the applicant has made 2

5460
02:45:49,382 --> 02:45:52,382
submissions of the plan and

5461
02:45:52,653 --> 02:45:53,587
staff have given the applicant

5462
02:45:53,587 --> 02:45:55,455
comments on their application,

5463
02:45:55,455 --> 02:45:57,391
a work session was held with

5464
02:45:57,391 --> 02:45:59,791
the Board of architectural

5465
02:46:00,327 --> 02:46:01,428
Review on JUNE 3rd, and with

5466
02:46:01,428 --> 02:46:04,428
the planning commission on JUNE

5467
02:46:07,634 --> 02:46:10,504
22nd. On the right here is an

5468
02:46:10,504 --> 02:46:11,938
aerial of the site, the site is

5469
02:46:11,938 --> 02:46:13,440
bounded by Blenheim Boulevard

5470
02:46:13,440 --> 02:46:15,409
on the east and University

5471
02:46:15,409 --> 02:46:17,310
Drive on the West to the north

5472
02:46:17,310 --> 02:46:19,413
is Democracy Lane and Plaza

5473
02:46:19,413 --> 02:46:23,115
Drive, and to the south is the

5474
02:46:23,115 --> 02:46:25,152
library. The site is located in

5475
02:46:25,152 --> 02:46:27,353
the activity center place type

5476
02:46:27,353 --> 02:46:29,756
and is subject to the old town

5477
02:46:29,756 --> 02:46:32,756
Fair Fairfax small area plan.

5478
02:46:33,160 --> 02:46:34,727
The site is currently zoned cr

5479
02:46:34,727 --> 02:46:36,950
Commercial retail and cg

5480
02:46:36,950 --> 02:46:38,650
commercial general and the

5481
02:46:38,650 --> 02:46:40,660
transition overlay district and

5482
02:46:40,660 --> 02:46:41,300
the applicant proposes a zoning

5483
02:46:41,300 --> 02:46:44,300
change to pdm plan development

5484
02:46:46,907 --> 02:46:48,307
mixed use. The applicant

5485
02:46:48,307 --> 02:46:50,707
proposes a phased development

5486
02:46:51,477 --> 02:46:53,477
with phase 1 including 315

5487
02:46:53,680 --> 02:46:55,582
residential units, a 72 ft

5488
02:46:55,582 --> 02:46:57,550
height maximum, which does

5489
02:46:57,550 --> 02:46:59,419
require a special exception,

5490
02:46:59,419 --> 02:47:00,853
the applicant has submitted a

5491
02:47:00,853 --> 02:47:02,923
special exception request to

5492
02:47:02,923 --> 02:47:05,325
exceed the 48 ft height maximum

5493
02:47:05,325 --> 02:47:07,725
and the transition overlay

5494
02:47:09,290 --> 02:47:10,930
district and the small area

5495
02:47:10,930 --> 02:47:13,330
plan recommends a six-story

5496
02:47:14,500 --> 02:47:16,969
height maximum on this site.

5497
02:47:16,969 --> 02:47:18,969
Phase 1 also includes 12,500

5498
02:47:19,740 --> 02:47:21,642
square feet of first floor

5499
02:47:21,642 --> 02:47:23,642
retail, roughly 30,000 square

5500
02:47:24,110 --> 02:47:27,381
feet of open space, a plaza to

5501
02:47:27,381 --> 02:47:27,948
the east of the existing retail

5502
02:47:27,948 --> 02:47:30,348
new landscaping and 2 new

5503
02:47:31,951 --> 02:47:33,319
streets. It also includes new

5504
02:47:33,319 --> 02:47:35,255
and widened sidewalks, the

5505
02:47:35,255 --> 02:47:37,157
applicant is also requesting a

5506
02:47:37,157 --> 02:47:38,557
special exception for sidewalks

5507
02:47:38,557 --> 02:47:42,157
to allow some sidewalks to be

5508
02:47:43,630 --> 02:47:45,532
narrower than 10 ft. The plan

5509
02:47:45,532 --> 02:47:46,699
also shows 741 parking spaces

5510
02:47:46,699 --> 02:47:48,435
and service and structured

5511
02:47:48,435 --> 02:47:49,869
parking. The applicant is also

5512
02:47:49,869 --> 02:47:52,269
requesting a special exception

5513
02:47:52,272 --> 02:47:55,272
to reduce the minimum parking

5514
02:47:55,776 --> 02:47:58,176
ratio from 1.5 to 1.25 parking

5515
02:47:58,445 --> 02:47:59,946
spaces per residential unit.

5516
02:47:59,946 --> 02:48:02,315
The plans also include facade

5517
02:48:02,315 --> 02:48:04,250
updates to the courthouse Plaza

5518
02:48:04,250 --> 02:48:04,885
Shopping Center and public are

5519
02:48:04,885 --> 02:48:07,285
along the proposed Street 1

5520
02:48:10,189 --> 02:48:11,958
facade. Phase 2 would require a

5521
02:48:11,958 --> 02:48:14,494
future amendment to the master

5522
02:48:14,494 --> 02:48:15,429
development plan, so if this

5523
02:48:15,429 --> 02:48:17,229
application is approved, phase

5524
02:48:17,229 --> 02:48:19,990
2 would need to come back to

5525
02:48:19,990 --> 02:48:23,299
this body at a future time for

5526
02:48:23,870 --> 02:48:24,905
approval. In phase 2, the

5527
02:48:24,905 --> 02:48:26,740
applicant proposes 315

5528
02:48:26,740 --> 02:48:28,809
residential units, a new North

5529
02:48:28,809 --> 02:48:31,209
to South Street, 50,000 square

5530
02:48:32,212 --> 02:48:35,820
feet of first floor retail. Um,

5531
02:48:35,820 --> 02:48:37,170
in addition to one of the, the

5532
02:48:37,170 --> 02:48:39,170
pa buildings, 90,000 square

5533
02:48:39,852 --> 02:48:40,854
feet of open space and 980

5534
02:48:40,854 --> 02:48:43,254
parking spaces across surface

5535
02:48:44,825 --> 02:48:46,627
and Structure parking. Here are

5536
02:48:46,627 --> 02:48:49,627
some renderings of the proposed

5537
02:48:51,765 --> 02:48:54,765
building for phase 1. These are

5538
02:48:58,438 --> 02:49:00,838
more renderings. These are

5539
02:49:01,208 --> 02:49:03,276
renderings of the center that

5540
02:49:03,276 --> 02:49:05,145
would be re-faced, and then, um,

5541
02:49:05,145 --> 02:49:07,146
on the right image you can see

5542
02:49:07,146 --> 02:49:11,346
a proposed plaza to the east of

5543
02:49:12,352 --> 02:49:14,955
the existing retail. And then

5544
02:49:14,955 --> 02:49:16,256
next steps for this application

5545
02:49:16,256 --> 02:49:17,790
are planned resubmission and

5546
02:49:17,790 --> 02:49:19,593
staff review, public hearings

5547
02:49:19,593 --> 02:49:21,528
with the planning commission,

5548
02:49:21,528 --> 02:49:23,396
city council, and the Board of

5549
02:49:23,396 --> 02:49:24,865
architectural Review, and that

5550
02:49:24,865 --> 02:49:25,765
concludes my presentation, and

5551
02:49:25,765 --> 02:49:28,765
the applicant is here to

5552
02:49:30,404 --> 02:49:32,272
present next. Mhm. Yeah, do you

5553
02:49:32,272 --> 02:49:36,472
want to switch or do you wanna,

5554
02:49:38,944 --> 02:49:41,944
yeah. Sorry, one moment. There

5555
02:49:52,459 --> 02:49:53,359
you go. Good evening. My name

5556
02:49:53,359 --> 02:49:54,194
is Molly Navotny. I

5557
02:49:54,194 --> 02:49:54,994
m an urban

5558
02:49:54,994 --> 02:49:55,228
planner with Curatea Partners,

5559
02:49:55,228 --> 02:49:56,196
and I

5560
02:49:56,196 --> 02:49:57,531
m pleased to be here

5561
02:49:57,531 --> 02:49:58,631
before you tonight, uh, with

5562
02:49:58,631 --> 02:49:59,333
the combined properties team, I

5563
02:49:59,333 --> 02:50:02,933
have Ayesha Hill at the table

5564
02:50:02,969 --> 02:50:04,905
with me. Um, significantly to

5565
02:50:04,905 --> 02:50:05,938
this, this body, combined

5566
02:50:05,938 --> 02:50:07,440
properties owns 4 properties in

5567
02:50:07,440 --> 02:50:08,742
the city, Scout on the circle

5568
02:50:08,742 --> 02:50:10,410
in the upper, in, in the upper

5569
02:50:10,410 --> 02:50:11,177
portion of this image, picket

5570
02:50:11,177 --> 02:50:12,612
and turnpike shopping centers,

5571
02:50:12,612 --> 02:50:12,845
and then Courthouse, which is

5572
02:50:12,845 --> 02:50:13,413
what we

5573
02:50:13,413 --> 02:50:15,813
re talking with you

5574
02:50:16,149 --> 02:50:17,985
about tonight. This image, um,

5575
02:50:17,985 --> 02:50:19,919
you saw when I was here before.

5576
02:50:19,919 --> 02:50:21,488
It shows the area in magenta,

5577
02:50:21,488 --> 02:50:22,321
which will be removed. That is

5578
02:50:22,321 --> 02:50:23,689
the only portion of the

5579
02:50:23,689 --> 02:50:25,626
building that would be removed

5580
02:50:25,626 --> 02:50:27,590
with this first phase, and then

5581
02:50:27,590 --> 02:50:28,494
rebuilt with a mixed-use

5582
02:50:28,494 --> 02:50:30,830
building. Everything in green

5583
02:50:30,830 --> 02:50:33,830
is existing retail that would

5584
02:50:33,900 --> 02:50:35,802
be renovated with this project.

5585
02:50:35,802 --> 02:50:36,737
We have made significant,

5586
02:50:36,737 --> 02:50:37,704
significant revisions to this

5587
02:50:37,704 --> 02:50:39,772
application before this body

5588
02:50:39,772 --> 02:50:42,141
saw it since this body has seen

5589
02:50:42,141 --> 02:50:42,242
it in 2025. Additionally, we

5590
02:50:42,242 --> 02:50:42,976
ve

5591
02:50:42,976 --> 02:50:44,944
made significant revisions

5592
02:50:44,944 --> 02:50:45,646
since the images that Clara

5593
02:50:45,646 --> 02:50:45,946
presented in her presentation,

5594
02:50:45,946 --> 02:50:47,481
so you

5595
02:50:47,481 --> 02:50:48,348
re going to see

5596
02:50:48,348 --> 02:50:48,881
different architecture in my

5597
02:50:48,881 --> 02:50:49,716
presentation, you

5598
02:50:49,716 --> 02:50:50,684
re going to

5599
02:50:50,684 --> 02:50:50,851
see additional commitments that

5600
02:50:50,851 --> 02:50:52,152
we

5601
02:50:52,152 --> 02:50:53,586
ve made, because we have

5602
02:50:53,586 --> 02:50:54,588
been working with staff, the

5603
02:50:54,588 --> 02:50:56,923
planning commission and bar

5604
02:50:56,923 --> 02:50:59,860
over the last 6 weeks to be

5605
02:50:59,860 --> 02:51:00,460
able to address their comments.

5606
02:51:00,460 --> 02:51:00,861
So significantly with this

5607
02:51:00,861 --> 02:51:01,228
application, we

5608
02:51:01,228 --> 02:51:03,228
re now rezoning

5609
02:51:04,498 --> 02:51:05,465
the entire property. Um, to the

5610
02:51:05,465 --> 02:51:06,333
pdm district. We

5611
02:51:06,333 --> 02:51:07,367
ve also

5612
02:51:07,367 --> 02:51:09,235
proposed that second phase,

5613
02:51:09,235 --> 02:51:10,237
which was something staff had

5614
02:51:10,237 --> 02:51:10,671
requested before. We

5615
02:51:10,671 --> 02:51:12,671
ve removed

5616
02:51:12,706 --> 02:51:14,541
some, several of our special

5617
02:51:14,541 --> 02:51:16,541
exception requests, including

5618
02:51:16,942 --> 02:51:17,944
the request for parking, um, we

5619
02:51:17,944 --> 02:51:18,178
have upgraded our architecture,

5620
02:51:18,178 --> 02:51:19,812
so you

5621
02:51:19,812 --> 02:51:20,846
re going to see a lot of

5622
02:51:20,846 --> 02:51:21,348
red brick integrated into the

5623
02:51:21,348 --> 02:51:22,683
buildings, you

5624
02:51:22,683 --> 02:51:24,618
re going to see

5625
02:51:24,618 --> 02:51:26,552
the commitment that the Safeway

5626
02:51:26,552 --> 02:51:26,719
gets re-faced with this phase 1.

5627
02:51:26,719 --> 02:51:27,587
We

5628
02:51:27,587 --> 02:51:29,889
ve also reduced the height

5629
02:51:29,889 --> 02:51:31,624
of the building at the corner

5630
02:51:31,624 --> 02:51:32,259
of University and Democracy, um,

5631
02:51:32,259 --> 02:51:33,460
some additional things with

5632
02:51:33,460 --> 02:51:34,427
landscape. We

5633
02:51:34,427 --> 02:51:35,962
ve added a

5634
02:51:35,962 --> 02:51:36,630
Central Park in phase 2, we

5635
02:51:36,630 --> 02:51:37,798
ve

5636
02:51:37,798 --> 02:51:38,831
added a linear park along

5637
02:51:38,831 --> 02:51:40,200
Blenheim. We

5638
02:51:40,200 --> 02:51:42,102
ve really created

5639
02:51:42,102 --> 02:51:43,737
an established new open spaces

5640
02:51:43,737 --> 02:51:46,390
and also added interim open

5641
02:51:46,390 --> 02:51:47,441
space at phase 2 gets delayed.

5642
02:51:47,441 --> 02:51:48,842
And then for sight conditions,

5643
02:51:48,842 --> 02:51:50,811
we have removed the pinch point

5644
02:51:50,811 --> 02:51:51,711
at the sidewalk, so our pub

5645
02:51:51,711 --> 02:51:53,747
sidewalks facing public roads

5646
02:51:53,747 --> 02:51:54,613
are all 10 ft, and we have

5647
02:51:54,613 --> 02:51:57,613
widened some streets to, for

5648
02:52:00,519 --> 02:52:01,621
vehicular traffic. But to set

5649
02:52:01,621 --> 02:52:02,489
the stage, this application is

5650
02:52:02,489 --> 02:52:02,589
here before you because you

5651
02:52:02,589 --> 02:52:04,589
re

5652
02:52:05,391 --> 02:52:06,860
a small area plan in 2020 asked

5653
02:52:06,860 --> 02:52:09,260
for this application. It

5654
02:52:09,662 --> 02:52:11,630
identified this site to be

5655
02:52:11,630 --> 02:52:11,564
redeveloped to include

5656
02:52:11,564 --> 02:52:12,599
multi-family apartment

5657
02:52:12,599 --> 02:52:14,468
buildings up to 6 stories in

5658
02:52:14,468 --> 02:52:15,901
height and to be grocery

5659
02:52:15,901 --> 02:52:18,805
anchored. The area in this

5660
02:52:18,805 --> 02:52:20,374
image in this part of Old Town,

5661
02:52:20,374 --> 02:52:22,774
had 0% residential in 2020, and

5662
02:52:22,776 --> 02:52:23,643
that plan called for a 58% mix

5663
02:52:23,643 --> 02:52:23,744
of residential, and that

5664
02:52:23,744 --> 02:52:24,645
s

5665
02:52:24,645 --> 02:52:27,130
again from your small area plan.

5666
02:52:27,130 --> 02:52:28,414
And so what we

5667
02:52:28,414 --> 02:52:29,416
ve done with

5668
02:52:29,416 --> 02:52:30,650
phase 1 is we

5669
02:52:30,650 --> 02:52:31,585
ve, um, focused

5670
02:52:31,585 --> 02:52:32,386
on the left portion of the

5671
02:52:32,386 --> 02:52:33,220
project. We

5672
02:52:33,220 --> 02:52:34,755
ve got the parking

5673
02:52:34,755 --> 02:52:35,756
garage, the interior courtyard,

5674
02:52:35,756 --> 02:52:37,691
and a mixed-use building. That

5675
02:52:37,691 --> 02:52:39,691
building will have 12,500

5676
02:52:39,992 --> 02:52:41,428
square feet of new retail, and

5677
02:52:41,428 --> 02:52:44,298
all of this green space will be

5678
02:52:44,298 --> 02:52:45,731
all, uh, open space available

5679
02:52:45,731 --> 02:52:47,533
in phase 1 with new pocket

5680
02:52:47,533 --> 02:52:48,669
parks throughout. And then when

5681
02:52:48,669 --> 02:52:49,468
we come to phase 2, what we

5682
02:52:49,468 --> 02:52:49,970
ve

5683
02:52:49,970 --> 02:52:50,704
done is we

5684
02:52:50,704 --> 02:52:51,438
ve established the

5685
02:52:51,438 --> 02:52:51,838
street network. We

5686
02:52:51,838 --> 02:52:52,873
ve

5687
02:52:52,873 --> 02:52:53,390
established the street trees,

5688
02:52:53,390 --> 02:52:53,773
we

5689
02:52:53,773 --> 02:52:55,341
ve established the building

5690
02:52:55,341 --> 02:52:55,875
envelope. We hadn

5691
02:52:55,875 --> 02:52:57,610
t had these

5692
02:52:57,610 --> 02:52:59,146
details before you when we were

5693
02:52:59,146 --> 02:53:01,480
here in 2025, but we have now

5694
02:53:01,480 --> 02:53:03,483
committed to this as a phase 2

5695
02:53:03,483 --> 02:53:05,385
plan to start to show you how

5696
02:53:05,385 --> 02:53:06,853
the full site could redevelop

5697
02:53:06,853 --> 02:53:08,287
and this entire site would be

5698
02:53:08,287 --> 02:53:08,388
rezoned. Additionally, we

5699
02:53:08,388 --> 02:53:09,723
ve

5700
02:53:09,723 --> 02:53:11,591
shown an additional building on

5701
02:53:11,591 --> 02:53:12,893
the pad site, that building

5702
02:53:12,893 --> 02:53:13,961
could locate in different areas

5703
02:53:13,961 --> 02:53:15,796
along that path site. We could

5704
02:53:15,796 --> 02:53:16,162
put it along street 2 or along

5705
02:53:16,162 --> 02:53:18,162
Blenheim as we

5706
02:53:18,899 --> 02:53:19,799
ve shown.

5707
02:53:19,799 --> 02:53:21,100
Architecture, this is the image

5708
02:53:21,100 --> 02:53:21,234
that was in Clara

5709
02:53:21,234 --> 02:53:22,302
s

5710
02:53:22,302 --> 02:53:23,769
presentation and is what was

5711
02:53:23,769 --> 02:53:25,571
included in our second

5712
02:53:25,571 --> 02:53:26,573
submission to staff back in MAY.

5713
02:53:26,573 --> 02:53:26,773
Since that time, we

5714
02:53:26,773 --> 02:53:28,542
ve heard

5715
02:53:28,542 --> 02:53:30,100
from your, uh, bar and staff,

5716
02:53:30,100 --> 02:53:30,978
they would like more red brick.

5717
02:53:30,978 --> 02:53:32,778
So what you

5718
02:53:32,778 --> 02:53:33,380
re going to see is

5719
02:53:33,380 --> 02:53:35,380
a significantly revised

5720
02:53:35,682 --> 02:53:38,510
building, what this building

5721
02:53:38,510 --> 02:53:39,119
does is it removes the white

5722
02:53:39,119 --> 02:53:41,421
brick and it converts any black

5723
02:53:41,421 --> 02:53:43,322
brick to be an accent material

5724
02:53:43,322 --> 02:53:46,322
and it integrates red brick

5725
02:53:46,360 --> 02:53:46,994
throughout. These facades, um,

5726
02:53:46,994 --> 02:53:48,994
democracy, university, and

5727
02:53:49,829 --> 02:53:51,331
street 1. Are primarily brick,

5728
02:53:51,331 --> 02:53:52,666
the only element on these

5729
02:53:52,666 --> 02:53:52,833
buildings besides accents that

5730
02:53:52,833 --> 02:53:54,568
isn

5731
02:53:54,568 --> 02:53:56,690
t brick is that champagne

5732
02:53:56,690 --> 02:53:56,470
colored fiber cement. So we

5733
02:53:56,470 --> 02:53:57,638
ve

5734
02:53:57,638 --> 02:53:58,905
really done a significant

5735
02:53:58,905 --> 02:54:00,907
overhaul with the materials and

5736
02:54:00,907 --> 02:54:01,641
the color palette. This is a

5737
02:54:01,641 --> 02:54:02,709
corner of democracy and

5738
02:54:02,709 --> 02:54:02,876
university. You can see how

5739
02:54:02,876 --> 02:54:03,710
we

5740
02:54:03,710 --> 02:54:04,945
ve lowered that building

5741
02:54:04,945 --> 02:54:07,146
height to help with that

5742
02:54:07,146 --> 02:54:08,415
transition at that corner. And

5743
02:54:08,415 --> 02:54:11,415
then again, just looking up

5744
02:54:11,585 --> 02:54:12,885
democracy. This is the Safeway,

5745
02:54:12,885 --> 02:54:13,919
the top image is what it looks

5746
02:54:13,919 --> 02:54:16,222
like today. The bottom would

5747
02:54:16,222 --> 02:54:17,723
show a reef face Safeway, which

5748
02:54:17,723 --> 02:54:19,126
would occur prior to

5749
02:54:19,126 --> 02:54:21,526
residential occupancy, and then

5750
02:54:22,528 --> 02:54:23,950
the overall center being a

5751
02:54:23,950 --> 02:54:25,950
completely renovated and

5752
02:54:25,431 --> 02:54:27,431
integrated development.

5753
02:54:27,734 --> 02:54:28,401
Existing tenants, yes, we will

5754
02:54:28,401 --> 02:54:30,637
be relocating existing tenants

5755
02:54:30,637 --> 02:54:32,538
that are there. We have

5756
02:54:32,538 --> 02:54:34,473
commitments in our application

5757
02:54:34,473 --> 02:54:36,376
that commit to rent subsidies

5758
02:54:36,376 --> 02:54:38,312
for tenants in good standings

5759
02:54:38,312 --> 02:54:39,313
to help them relocate to find

5760
02:54:39,313 --> 02:54:40,714
other properties in the city,

5761
02:54:40,714 --> 02:54:40,880
we also have a commitment that

5762
02:54:40,880 --> 02:54:42,282
we

5763
02:54:42,282 --> 02:54:44,117
re going to reserve some

5764
02:54:44,117 --> 02:54:45,520
smaller space in our building

5765
02:54:45,520 --> 02:54:46,519
for startup customers and to

5766
02:54:46,519 --> 02:54:48,455
continue to work with your

5767
02:54:48,455 --> 02:54:49,122
economic development, we think

5768
02:54:49,122 --> 02:54:49,355
those are important commitments,

5769
02:54:49,355 --> 02:54:49,823
and we

5770
02:54:49,823 --> 02:54:52,823
re proud to have made

5771
02:54:52,993 --> 02:54:54,428
them. Terms of connectivity,

5772
02:54:54,428 --> 02:54:55,963
the site is incredibly porous,

5773
02:54:55,963 --> 02:54:56,930
this image shows in orange all

5774
02:54:56,930 --> 02:54:58,699
the vehicular routes through

5775
02:54:58,699 --> 02:55:00,766
the site, and then all of the

5776
02:55:00,766 --> 02:55:02,569
pedestrian routes through the

5777
02:55:02,569 --> 02:55:03,537
site really interlinking all

5778
02:55:03,537 --> 02:55:04,971
components of the project,

5779
02:55:04,971 --> 02:55:06,106
these are just gonna show some

5780
02:55:06,106 --> 02:55:06,974
images of these sidewalks

5781
02:55:06,974 --> 02:55:07,874
around the site. We

5782
02:55:07,874 --> 02:55:09,874
ve got at

5783
02:55:11,210 --> 02:55:13,146
least 7 ft of walking area on

5784
02:55:13,146 --> 02:55:15,548
Street 1, and then it enlarges

5785
02:55:15,548 --> 02:55:17,216
to at least 10 ft of walking

5786
02:55:17,216 --> 02:55:18,517
area everywhere else, um, if

5787
02:55:18,517 --> 02:55:18,986
not 12 ft or wider, you

5788
02:55:18,986 --> 02:55:20,870
ve got

5789
02:55:20,870 --> 02:55:23,687
lots of room for outdoor space,

5790
02:55:24,191 --> 02:55:25,158
lots of room. For tables, um.

5791
02:55:25,158 --> 02:55:25,592
And then we

5792
02:55:25,592 --> 02:55:27,494
ve got significant

5793
02:55:27,494 --> 02:55:29,280
open space. Today, the site

5794
02:55:29,280 --> 02:55:29,129
only has 4.3% open space. It

5795
02:55:29,129 --> 02:55:29,563
s

5796
02:55:29,563 --> 02:55:30,464
ridiculous. There

5797
02:55:30,464 --> 02:55:30,863
s there, it

5798
02:55:30,863 --> 02:55:31,897
s

5799
02:55:31,897 --> 02:55:33,366
a surface parking lot at the

5800
02:55:33,366 --> 02:55:35,836
end of phase 1, we will have

5801
02:55:35,836 --> 02:55:37,237
increased that open space to

5802
02:55:37,237 --> 02:55:37,703
12.3%, and then we

5803
02:55:37,703 --> 02:55:39,703
ve added

5804
02:55:40,390 --> 02:55:40,307
interim open space if by 2035

5805
02:55:40,307 --> 02:55:41,975
we haven

5806
02:55:41,975 --> 02:55:43,376
t moved forward with

5807
02:55:43,376 --> 02:55:45,779
the next phase that um bolsters

5808
02:55:45,779 --> 02:55:47,381
that open space to 13.4% before

5809
02:55:47,381 --> 02:55:49,782
bringing it to the 20% with the

5810
02:55:49,782 --> 02:55:50,651
full build out of phase 2, just

5811
02:55:50,651 --> 02:55:52,619
some images to show you and

5812
02:55:52,619 --> 02:55:52,719
give you that feel of how we

5813
02:55:52,719 --> 02:55:53,253
ve

5814
02:55:53,253 --> 02:55:55,253
articulated and really

5815
02:55:56,790 --> 02:55:58,659
activated the open. Space.

5816
02:55:58,659 --> 02:55:59,258
Retail park along Safeway,

5817
02:55:59,258 --> 02:56:01,658
proposed linear Park along

5818
02:56:01,827 --> 02:56:02,796
Blenheim. And then again, a

5819
02:56:02,796 --> 02:56:03,297
reminder of the significant

5820
02:56:03,297 --> 02:56:04,730
revisions that we

5821
02:56:04,730 --> 02:56:05,365
ve made to

5822
02:56:05,365 --> 02:56:05,699
this application since 2025,

5823
02:56:05,699 --> 02:56:06,533
and I

5824
02:56:06,533 --> 02:56:09,533
m happy to answer any

5825
02:56:11,804 --> 02:56:14,204
questions. Council member Amos.

5826
02:56:14,240 --> 02:56:15,174
Thank you. Uh, this was a great

5827
02:56:15,174 --> 02:56:17,611
presentation, um, just to go

5828
02:56:17,611 --> 02:56:19,212
into some of the likes, the,

5829
02:56:19,212 --> 02:56:20,179
the, the open space plus the

5830
02:56:20,179 --> 02:56:20,479
linear park, that

5831
02:56:20,479 --> 02:56:21,915
s pretty

5832
02:56:21,915 --> 02:56:22,182
impressive, so I appreciate

5833
02:56:22,182 --> 02:56:24,182
that. I

5834
02:56:24,318 --> 02:56:25,352
ll come back to the

5835
02:56:25,352 --> 02:56:26,385
tenant relocation plan shortly.

5836
02:56:26,385 --> 02:56:26,753
My understanding is also you

5837
02:56:26,753 --> 02:56:27,854
ve

5838
02:56:27,854 --> 02:56:28,754
been in communication with our

5839
02:56:28,754 --> 02:56:29,289
economic development team, and

5840
02:56:29,289 --> 02:56:30,624
I see that

5841
02:56:30,624 --> 02:56:32,920
s included in here,

5842
02:56:32,920 --> 02:56:33,694
that makes me very happy to see,

5843
02:56:33,694 --> 02:56:34,940
and I, I think you

5844
02:56:34,940 --> 02:56:35,896
ll probably

5845
02:56:35,896 --> 02:56:37,330
hear from my colleagues as well

5846
02:56:37,330 --> 02:56:39,332
with the color scheme is a

5847
02:56:39,332 --> 02:56:40,533
significant improvement, so, uh,

5848
02:56:40,533 --> 02:56:43,270
I really like to see that for

5849
02:56:43,270 --> 02:56:44,738
the tenant relocation plan.

5850
02:56:44,738 --> 02:56:46,640
Just for clarification, and

5851
02:56:46,640 --> 02:56:47,607
this is more just interest

5852
02:56:47,607 --> 02:56:48,541
rather than anything

5853
02:56:48,541 --> 02:56:50,510
substantial for the graduated

5854
02:56:50,510 --> 02:56:52,110
rent for smaller scale tenants.

5855
02:56:52,110 --> 02:56:53,130
So, in terms, where did that

5856
02:56:53,130 --> 02:56:53,447
idea come from and what

5857
02:56:53,447 --> 02:56:54,810
s your

5858
02:56:54,810 --> 02:56:56,481
ultimate goal with, with

5859
02:56:57,384 --> 02:56:59,384
accomplishing that? Good

5860
02:56:59,586 --> 02:57:01,888
evening. So the idea originally

5861
02:57:01,888 --> 02:57:03,824
came from, the current

5862
02:57:03,824 --> 02:57:05,726
situation at Courthouse Plaza.

5863
02:57:05,726 --> 02:57:08,161
Because we do that, we wanted

5864
02:57:08,161 --> 02:57:11,161
the opportunity to redevelop it.

5865
02:57:11,263 --> 02:57:13,633
We were left with, uh, below

5866
02:57:13,633 --> 02:57:15,200
market lease terms, um, so

5867
02:57:15,200 --> 02:57:16,803
ultimately for less than market

5868
02:57:16,803 --> 02:57:18,237
rent, you could lease our space

5869
02:57:18,237 --> 02:57:20,674
and instead of 10 years, you

5870
02:57:20,674 --> 02:57:22,174
might get 3 or 5 or 7 depending

5871
02:57:22,174 --> 02:57:24,978
on the timing. And so there are

5872
02:57:24,978 --> 02:57:25,312
some tenants that have this gap

5873
02:57:25,312 --> 02:57:25,679
between what

5874
02:57:25,679 --> 02:57:27,146
s technically

5875
02:57:27,146 --> 02:57:27,380
market rent and what they

5876
02:57:27,380 --> 02:57:29,380
re

5877
02:57:29,383 --> 02:57:30,249
paying today. And so

5878
02:57:30,249 --> 02:57:32,190
recognizing that difference, we

5879
02:57:32,190 --> 02:57:33,854
wanted to be able to, you know,

5880
02:57:33,854 --> 02:57:35,255
help people along the way and

5881
02:57:35,255 --> 02:57:36,790
our tenants along the way in

5882
02:57:36,790 --> 02:57:37,657
the event there isn

5883
02:57:37,657 --> 02:57:39,125
t another

5884
02:57:39,125 --> 02:57:41,128
below market space available

5885
02:57:41,128 --> 02:57:43,430
for them, um, that we can help

5886
02:57:43,430 --> 02:57:44,498
them get there. So over a

5887
02:57:44,498 --> 02:57:45,564
3-year period, you know, the

5888
02:57:45,564 --> 02:57:47,334
details still need to be worked

5889
02:57:47,334 --> 02:57:48,734
out how it would work with the

5890
02:57:48,734 --> 02:57:50,170
other landlord, and, um, that

5891
02:57:50,170 --> 02:57:52,572
sort of thing, but that we

5892
02:57:52,572 --> 02:57:54,600
would, we would, um, fill that

5893
02:57:54,600 --> 02:57:55,608
gap for them. Um, and then on

5894
02:57:55,608 --> 02:57:57,878
the other side of that, that

5895
02:57:57,878 --> 02:57:59,120
there could also be an

5896
02:57:59,120 --> 02:58:00,747
opportunity for new small

5897
02:58:00,747 --> 02:58:01,881
businesses coming in, or

5898
02:58:01,881 --> 02:58:02,582
businesses that are currently

5899
02:58:02,582 --> 02:58:05,752
there today that want to come

5900
02:58:05,752 --> 02:58:07,654
back. That might also need, you

5901
02:58:07,654 --> 02:58:08,755
know, similar assistance as

5902
02:58:08,755 --> 02:58:09,923
they get started and, you know,

5903
02:58:09,923 --> 02:58:11,190
are early in their business

5904
02:58:11,190 --> 02:58:13,527
that this could be a place they

5905
02:58:13,527 --> 02:58:14,593
could come and start and grow.

5906
02:58:14,593 --> 02:58:15,828
And would this be just for 3

5907
02:58:15,828 --> 02:58:17,330
years, or are you saying this

5908
02:58:17,330 --> 02:58:19,310
is kind of like a process you

5909
02:58:19,310 --> 02:58:21,431
want to implement moving

5910
02:58:22,169 --> 02:58:23,503
forward over the long term. So

5911
02:58:23,503 --> 02:58:25,138
far existing tenants, it would

5912
02:58:25,138 --> 02:58:25,439
be for 3 years, um, it

5913
02:58:25,439 --> 02:58:27,439
s not

5914
02:58:27,841 --> 02:58:29,776
something that we could

5915
02:58:29,776 --> 02:58:31,877
financially handle, um, you

5916
02:58:31,877 --> 02:58:34,214
know, into infinity, um, we

5917
02:58:34,214 --> 02:58:36,490
could give it a little bit more

5918
02:58:36,490 --> 02:58:36,616
thought on the new small

5919
02:58:36,616 --> 02:58:38,616
businesses, our original

5920
02:58:38,919 --> 02:58:40,870
thought that it would be a

5921
02:58:40,870 --> 02:58:40,786
similar 3-year period, um, and

5922
02:58:40,786 --> 02:58:43,222
they could choose to stay

5923
02:58:43,222 --> 02:58:44,190
though in the space, but that

5924
02:58:44,190 --> 02:58:45,257
their rent would gradually

5925
02:58:45,257 --> 02:58:46,125
increase over time and if they

5926
02:58:46,125 --> 02:58:47,527
chose to stay, they could.

5927
02:58:47,527 --> 02:58:48,562
Sorry, I asked my question

5928
02:58:48,562 --> 02:58:49,162
poorly and that

5929
02:58:49,162 --> 02:58:49,262
s why there

5930
02:58:49,262 --> 02:58:50,329
s

5931
02:58:50,329 --> 02:58:52,132
confusion. Uh, what I mean is,

5932
02:58:52,132 --> 02:58:53,320
for example, you have. A

5933
02:58:53,320 --> 02:58:53,300
business that moves in there

5934
02:58:53,300 --> 02:58:54,100
and they

5935
02:58:54,100 --> 02:58:56,401
re there for 10 years

5936
02:58:56,402 --> 02:58:57,937
and they had to relocate to the

5937
02:58:57,937 --> 02:58:59,500
new business coming in get a

5938
02:58:59,500 --> 02:58:59,805
similar program, or would they

5939
02:58:59,805 --> 02:59:01,675
just go, I

5940
02:59:01,675 --> 02:59:01,942
m assuming at the

5941
02:59:01,942 --> 02:59:03,342
rate that

5942
02:59:03,342 --> 02:59:05,145
s existing at that

5943
02:59:05,145 --> 02:59:07,140
time. So, after 10 years, it

5944
02:59:07,140 --> 02:59:10,614
would be that new market rate.

5945
02:59:11,151 --> 02:59:13,220
Ok, thank you. Other questions,

5946
02:59:13,220 --> 02:59:15,620
comments? On this Council

5947
02:59:17,591 --> 02:59:19,250
member Bates. Uh, thank you. So,

5948
02:59:19,250 --> 02:59:22,250
um, certainly, you know, I

5949
02:59:23,630 --> 02:59:25,231
think that there have been, uh

5950
02:59:25,231 --> 02:59:28,231
Some improvements here that are

5951
02:59:29,360 --> 02:59:30,300
much appreciated. Um As well as

5952
02:59:30,300 --> 02:59:32,720
perhaps some lingering minor

5953
02:59:32,720 --> 02:59:32,739
questions and, and issues, uh,

5954
02:59:32,739 --> 02:59:34,308
to be addressed and understand

5955
02:59:34,308 --> 02:59:35,207
that you all, you know, have

5956
02:59:35,207 --> 02:59:37,607
another submission coming up,

5957
02:59:38,577 --> 02:59:42,449
um. And but I mainly just want

5958
02:59:42,449 --> 02:59:44,617
to ask, do we have the, uh,

5959
02:59:44,617 --> 02:59:47,170
current, um, tree canopy

5960
02:59:47,853 --> 02:59:50,122
percentage as well on the site.

5961
02:59:50,122 --> 02:59:51,958
Under current conditions. We

5962
02:59:51,958 --> 02:59:53,961
are working on getting you the

5963
02:59:53,961 --> 02:59:54,261
current tree canopy on the site

5964
02:59:54,261 --> 02:59:56,261
today. It

5965
02:59:57,898 --> 03:00:00,000
s, um. The way tree

5966
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:01,201
canopy is calculated, doesn

5967
03:00:01,201 --> 03:00:02,703
t

5968
03:00:02,703 --> 03:00:03,870
necessarily measure the

5969
03:00:03,870 --> 03:00:05,672
survivability or the quality of

5970
03:00:05,672 --> 03:00:06,605
that tree and so rather it

5971
03:00:06,605 --> 03:00:07,975
takes it into account the

5972
03:00:07,975 --> 03:00:09,476
canopy of the tree, but if you

5973
03:00:09,476 --> 03:00:12,813
go out to look at that tree,

5974
03:00:12,813 --> 03:00:13,946
the health of the tree, um, is

5975
03:00:13,946 --> 03:00:15,247
not always the at the standard

5976
03:00:15,247 --> 03:00:15,382
you would want, and so we

5977
03:00:15,382 --> 03:00:17,382
re,

5978
03:00:17,617 --> 03:00:18,651
we want to be able to paint an

5979
03:00:18,651 --> 03:00:21,651
accurate picture for you. And

5980
03:00:22,222 --> 03:00:23,190
so we will be providing That

5981
03:00:23,190 --> 03:00:26,930
calculation, but at any rate, I

5982
03:00:26,930 --> 03:00:29,930
think that, um, the significant

5983
03:00:29,429 --> 03:00:31,998
increase in open space, um. You

5984
03:00:31,998 --> 03:00:32,965
know, particularly where, uh,

5985
03:00:32,965 --> 03:00:34,134
there was simply pavement

5986
03:00:34,134 --> 03:00:38,305
before and, uh, in a lot of

5987
03:00:38,305 --> 03:00:39,272
cases. Represents a significant

5988
03:00:39,272 --> 03:00:40,741
opportunity to reduce

5989
03:00:40,741 --> 03:00:42,142
impervious surface on the site,

5990
03:00:42,142 --> 03:00:44,543
um, in addition to, I believe

5991
03:00:44,543 --> 03:00:45,245
that there are additional

5992
03:00:45,245 --> 03:00:46,512
stormwater management

5993
03:00:46,512 --> 03:00:47,113
improvements proposed as well.

5994
03:00:47,113 --> 03:00:49,416
So I think that

5995
03:00:49,416 --> 03:00:51,840
s, uh, really

5996
03:00:51,840 --> 03:00:52,819
important for environmental

5997
03:00:52,819 --> 03:00:54,819
sustainability going forward,

5998
03:00:55,187 --> 03:00:57,491
um, as well as, um, you know,

5999
03:00:57,491 --> 03:00:59,491
stormwater management. Thanks.

6000
03:01:00,160 --> 03:01:03,950
Council member Hall. Thank you,

6001
03:01:03,950 --> 03:01:05,980
uh. So I, I want to start with

6002
03:01:05,980 --> 03:01:06,533
saying this is, in my opinion,

6003
03:01:06,533 --> 03:01:06,967
very, very much improved. I

6004
03:01:06,967 --> 03:01:08,869
m

6005
03:01:08,869 --> 03:01:10,803
really happy to see the changes

6006
03:01:10,803 --> 03:01:10,970
to the brick. I feel like

6007
03:01:10,970 --> 03:01:11,838
you

6008
03:01:11,838 --> 03:01:13,674
re incorporating a lot more

6009
03:01:13,674 --> 03:01:15,575
of what is our historic old

6010
03:01:15,575 --> 03:01:17,440
town and so many areas

6011
03:01:17,440 --> 03:01:20,440
throughout the city. Sorry, my

6012
03:01:20,460 --> 03:01:20,413
voice is going away. I, I, I

6013
03:01:20,413 --> 03:01:21,380
m

6014
03:01:21,380 --> 03:01:21,881
having some trouble visualizing

6015
03:01:21,881 --> 03:01:22,348
some things and I

6016
03:01:22,348 --> 03:01:23,783
m hoping you

6017
03:01:23,783 --> 03:01:24,318
could maybe help me a little

6018
03:01:24,318 --> 03:01:25,718
bit. Um, I

6019
03:01:25,718 --> 03:01:26,787
m also curious, did

6020
03:01:26,787 --> 03:01:28,622
you side note, did you happen

6021
03:01:28,622 --> 03:01:32,222
to meet with the old Fairfax

6022
03:01:32,326 --> 03:01:34,226
muse, hoa. We did. A while ago

6023
03:01:34,226 --> 03:01:36,626
or recently? 2 weeks ago, 3

6024
03:01:36,663 --> 03:01:38,598
weeks ago? Ok, because the, but

6025
03:01:38,598 --> 03:01:39,665
did they see this updated? No,

6026
03:01:39,665 --> 03:01:41,340
so when this is a work in

6027
03:01:41,340 --> 03:01:41,935
progress and this is part of

6028
03:01:41,935 --> 03:01:44,303
what happens in this cycle,

6029
03:01:44,303 --> 03:01:45,839
right? So we had been to the

6030
03:01:45,839 --> 03:01:47,741
planning commission and the bar

6031
03:01:47,741 --> 03:01:49,608
before we met with the Fair old

6032
03:01:49,608 --> 03:01:52,111
Fairfax Muse. We told them that

6033
03:01:52,111 --> 03:01:54,448
those bodies had asked us to

6034
03:01:54,448 --> 03:01:55,982
revise the architecture. We had

6035
03:01:55,982 --> 03:01:57,851
shown them an interim option

6036
03:01:57,851 --> 03:01:58,752
that we had shared with the

6037
03:01:58,752 --> 03:01:59,653
planning commission, but said

6038
03:01:59,653 --> 03:02:01,488
we are still working on this.

6039
03:02:01,488 --> 03:02:02,788
So they have not seen These

6040
03:02:02,788 --> 03:02:04,725
latest ones, you guys are the

6041
03:02:04,725 --> 03:02:05,858
first to see them. Ok, I, I

6042
03:02:05,858 --> 03:02:08,258
appreciate that and, and

6043
03:02:08,795 --> 03:02:10,797
knowing that I think Some of

6044
03:02:10,797 --> 03:02:10,931
the concerns that the, the hoa,

6045
03:02:10,931 --> 03:02:12,332
I

6046
03:02:12,332 --> 03:02:12,465
m sure you heard them. Yeah,

6047
03:02:12,465 --> 03:02:13,232
I

6048
03:02:13,232 --> 03:02:16,350
m hopeful some of those have,

6049
03:02:16,350 --> 03:02:16,702
have, have been, I think,

6050
03:02:16,702 --> 03:02:18,671
moderately addressed in here,

6051
03:02:18,671 --> 03:02:19,105
um. And this is where I

6052
03:02:19,105 --> 03:02:20,700
m going

6053
03:02:20,700 --> 03:02:22,441
to need a little bit more of a

6054
03:02:22,441 --> 03:02:25,379
visual. So Looking at this

6055
03:02:25,379 --> 03:02:27,779
picture. Democracy Lane looking

6056
03:02:29,160 --> 03:02:31,451
east. So this, the flats are on

6057
03:02:31,451 --> 03:02:31,985
the left. Is that the flats on

6058
03:02:31,985 --> 03:02:33,887
the left there, I

6059
03:02:33,887 --> 03:02:34,221
m at, I

6060
03:02:34,221 --> 03:02:36,221
m

6061
03:02:36,657 --> 03:02:38,691
standing at university, ok,

6062
03:02:38,691 --> 03:02:41,691
looking up democracy lane here.

6063
03:02:41,795 --> 03:02:43,795
Ok. Ok. It

6064
03:02:44,830 --> 03:02:46,733
s not showing. Ok,

6065
03:02:46,733 --> 03:02:47,667
so right now we

6066
03:02:47,667 --> 03:02:49,667
re at 5 stories

6067
03:02:49,670 --> 03:02:53,440
on the front side as opposed to

6068
03:02:53,440 --> 03:02:53,807
the 6 that had been previously

6069
03:02:53,807 --> 03:02:54,741
Yes, so let

6070
03:02:54,741 --> 03:02:58,341
s Let me go back up.

6071
03:03:03,830 --> 03:03:03,517
So this image now, I

6072
03:03:03,517 --> 03:03:05,419
ve moved

6073
03:03:05,419 --> 03:03:05,985
down a street, so sorry for the

6074
03:03:05,985 --> 03:03:06,419
confusion. I

6075
03:03:06,419 --> 03:03:08,819
ve moved down a

6076
03:03:09,556 --> 03:03:10,723
street. This is look, um, to

6077
03:03:10,723 --> 03:03:12,590
the left is university and the

6078
03:03:12,590 --> 03:03:15,590
flats are in the background

6079
03:03:15,629 --> 03:03:18,650
behind that ghosted out tree.

6080
03:03:18,650 --> 03:03:19,433
Street, our new street 1 is to

6081
03:03:19,433 --> 03:03:20,934
the right here. And so this is

6082
03:03:20,934 --> 03:03:21,340
kind of our front entrance. I

6083
03:03:21,340 --> 03:03:23,200
m

6084
03:03:23,200 --> 03:03:24,705
looking, um, the old Fairfax

6085
03:03:24,705 --> 03:03:26,172
Muse is going to be up into the

6086
03:03:26,172 --> 03:03:27,106
left. Ok, so I

6087
03:03:27,106 --> 03:03:29,106
m on university

6088
03:03:30,476 --> 03:03:32,913
now on university now, and so

6089
03:03:32,913 --> 03:03:33,880
you have here 6 story, a

6090
03:03:33,880 --> 03:03:35,582
6-story building along

6091
03:03:35,582 --> 03:03:37,683
University, it drops to 5

6092
03:03:37,683 --> 03:03:40,683
stories at that corner. Of

6093
03:03:40,821 --> 03:03:44,421
democracy. On the left side, it

6094
03:03:45,192 --> 03:03:45,958
drops to 5, ok, is it? So I, I

6095
03:03:45,958 --> 03:03:46,125
appreciate that the land, I

6096
03:03:46,125 --> 03:03:47,961
m

6097
03:03:47,961 --> 03:03:50,961
sorry, not the landscaping, the,

6098
03:03:51,300 --> 03:03:52,965
the These your words. The way

6099
03:03:52,965 --> 03:03:54,401
that the, the darker brick, I

6100
03:03:54,401 --> 03:03:55,969
guess is there and in the

6101
03:03:55,969 --> 03:03:58,238
forefront and then the wider is

6102
03:03:58,238 --> 03:04:00,807
in the back. I feel like that

6103
03:04:00,807 --> 03:04:03,143
visually helps a lot with the

6104
03:04:03,143 --> 03:04:04,477
height feeling, um, I do still

6105
03:04:04,477 --> 03:04:05,945
feel like that one section

6106
03:04:05,945 --> 03:04:07,460
there where it says retail and

6107
03:04:07,460 --> 03:04:08,281
the apartments is still a

6108
03:04:08,281 --> 03:04:09,783
little tall. I would love to

6109
03:04:09,783 --> 03:04:11,817
see that knocked down by 1

6110
03:04:11,817 --> 03:04:13,186
story, if at all possible, but

6111
03:04:13,186 --> 03:04:14,121
I do understand that, you know,

6112
03:04:14,121 --> 03:04:15,880
you need to make a profit and

6113
03:04:15,880 --> 03:04:15,555
all of that. I still think it

6114
03:04:15,555 --> 03:04:17,555
s

6115
03:04:18,225 --> 03:04:20,594
a lot of units, but visually, I

6116
03:04:20,594 --> 03:04:23,664
think this is much more appeal.

6117
03:04:23,664 --> 03:04:25,966
Willing and in line with What

6118
03:04:25,966 --> 03:04:28,966
our residents had, have been

6119
03:04:29,268 --> 03:04:31,738
asking for there, um. This is

6120
03:04:31,738 --> 03:04:34,473
going to be a Clara question or

6121
03:04:34,473 --> 03:04:34,641
maybe a Dan question, but I

6122
03:04:34,641 --> 03:04:35,608
don

6123
03:04:35,608 --> 03:04:36,777
t think I realized that

6124
03:04:36,777 --> 03:04:38,412
University Drive is going to be

6125
03:04:38,412 --> 03:04:41,180
going down to 1 lane to

6126
03:04:41,180 --> 03:04:43,116
accommodate bike. Lanes. I

6127
03:04:43,116 --> 03:04:44,484
thought we were Putting bike

6128
03:04:44,484 --> 03:04:45,520
lanes on there, but we were

6129
03:04:45,520 --> 03:04:47,452
still keeping 2 lanes of

6130
03:04:50,390 --> 03:04:50,891
traffic. Sorry, I

6131
03:04:50,891 --> 03:04:51,580
m making it,

6132
03:04:51,580 --> 03:04:51,590
we

6133
03:04:51,590 --> 03:04:55,595
re making you get up a lot

6134
03:04:55,595 --> 03:04:55,928
tonight. Um And, and quite

6135
03:04:55,928 --> 03:04:56,596
honestly, I

6136
03:04:56,596 --> 03:04:58,465
m not sure I should

6137
03:04:58,465 --> 03:04:58,764
be answering this. I believe, I

6138
03:04:58,764 --> 03:04:59,932
believe it

6139
03:04:59,932 --> 03:05:00,434
s 4, it

6140
03:05:00,434 --> 03:05:02,335
s a 4-lane

6141
03:05:02,335 --> 03:05:05,639
section as you get toward North

6142
03:05:05,639 --> 03:05:08,410
Street, and then as you come

6143
03:05:08,410 --> 03:05:09,942
back, headed north, going by

6144
03:05:09,942 --> 03:05:13,380
this property down the hill and

6145
03:05:13,380 --> 03:05:16,183
so forth, it transitions to a 3

6146
03:05:16,183 --> 03:05:18,951
lane section where you have a

6147
03:05:18,951 --> 03:05:20,754
center turning lane and 2.

6148
03:05:20,754 --> 03:05:20,954
Travel lanes, but We

6149
03:05:20,954 --> 03:05:22,954
ll check

6150
03:05:23,690 --> 03:05:24,524
that. Our traffic engineers

6151
03:05:24,524 --> 03:05:24,958
here and they

6152
03:05:24,958 --> 03:05:26,260
re nodding their

6153
03:05:26,260 --> 03:05:26,926
head. That

6154
03:05:26,926 --> 03:05:28,362
s correct in

6155
03:05:28,362 --> 03:05:28,462
agreement. Ok, for the city

6156
03:05:28,462 --> 03:05:29,929
s

6157
03:05:29,929 --> 03:05:30,296
plans, not our plans. We

6158
03:05:30,296 --> 03:05:31,263
ve

6159
03:05:31,263 --> 03:05:31,365
just shown them, but they

6160
03:05:31,365 --> 03:05:33,365
re

6161
03:05:33,634 --> 03:05:36,300
the city plans. Yeah, I, I,

6162
03:05:36,300 --> 03:05:36,670
what I will say for the city as

6163
03:05:36,670 --> 03:05:37,970
large, whether it

6164
03:05:37,970 --> 03:05:40,340
s you guys or

6165
03:05:40,340 --> 03:05:41,341
the city, but we have these

6166
03:05:41,341 --> 03:05:42,743
nice 10-foot wide sidewalks,

6167
03:05:42,743 --> 03:05:44,177
which could also be called a

6168
03:05:44,177 --> 03:05:45,679
shared use path. To me, that

6169
03:05:45,679 --> 03:05:47,790
could be a great place for a

6170
03:05:47,790 --> 03:05:49,490
bike to go without taking out a

6171
03:05:49,490 --> 03:05:49,983
total lane on university,

6172
03:05:49,983 --> 03:05:51,118
recognizing not your situation,

6173
03:05:51,118 --> 03:05:51,384
but, um, I think we

6174
03:05:51,384 --> 03:05:52,551
re going to

6175
03:05:52,551 --> 03:05:53,987
get a lot of pushback when that

6176
03:05:53,987 --> 03:05:54,321
Starts to come out a little bit

6177
03:05:54,321 --> 03:05:54,655
more. I don

6178
03:05:54,655 --> 03:05:54,755
t know who I

6179
03:05:54,755 --> 03:05:56,755
m

6180
03:05:58,725 --> 03:06:02,925
looking at, but all of you. Um

6181
03:06:03,563 --> 03:06:04,498
So I, I, I think this is not

6182
03:06:04,498 --> 03:06:05,331
depressing looking anymore to,

6183
03:06:05,331 --> 03:06:06,233
to quote the woman that came

6184
03:06:06,233 --> 03:06:07,834
earlier, and I, I have to agree

6185
03:06:07,834 --> 03:06:08,969
with her. I mean, I think

6186
03:06:08,969 --> 03:06:09,268
before it was very, it

6187
03:06:09,268 --> 03:06:10,304
s just

6188
03:06:10,304 --> 03:06:11,672
too new. It

6189
03:06:11,672 --> 03:06:13,639
s too fancy. It was

6190
03:06:13,639 --> 03:06:13,807
too all of the things that I

6191
03:06:13,807 --> 03:06:15,108
don

6192
03:06:15,108 --> 03:06:15,575
t think were great. Um, I

6193
03:06:15,575 --> 03:06:16,176
still think it

6194
03:06:16,176 --> 03:06:16,676
s a lot of units,

6195
03:06:16,676 --> 03:06:17,900
and I know I

6196
03:06:17,900 --> 03:06:18,780
ve said that a

6197
03:06:18,780 --> 03:06:18,211
couple offf different times and

6198
03:06:18,211 --> 03:06:20,460
I

6199
03:06:20,460 --> 03:06:22,490
m not going to change my mind

6200
03:06:22,490 --> 03:06:24,784
on that. Um, but I, I really do

6201
03:06:24,784 --> 03:06:26,653
want to give you credit for

6202
03:06:26,653 --> 03:06:28,555
adding in as much of the open

6203
03:06:28,555 --> 03:06:30,570
space that you have adding in

6204
03:06:30,570 --> 03:06:30,157
the green space, um, I don

6205
03:06:30,157 --> 03:06:32,157
t

6206
03:06:32,258 --> 03:06:33,160
know what your plans are. For

6207
03:06:33,160 --> 03:06:33,360
like the parking, but if

6208
03:06:33,360 --> 03:06:35,360
there

6209
03:06:36,730 --> 03:06:38,832
s any way to do some

6210
03:06:38,832 --> 03:06:39,833
Impervious, no, pervious

6211
03:06:39,833 --> 03:06:42,169
parking spots in some of those

6212
03:06:42,169 --> 03:06:43,904
areas with, you know, the fancy

6213
03:06:43,904 --> 03:06:45,806
things as opposed to concrete

6214
03:06:45,806 --> 03:06:46,600
or asphalt or whatever. I think

6215
03:06:46,600 --> 03:06:46,505
that

6216
03:06:46,505 --> 03:06:47,874
s another opportunity to

6217
03:06:47,874 --> 03:06:49,509
take what is still a pretty

6218
03:06:49,509 --> 03:06:52,346
large parking lot out in the

6219
03:06:52,346 --> 03:06:52,478
open, um. I appreciate your,

6220
03:06:52,478 --> 03:06:52,845
I

6221
03:06:52,845 --> 03:06:53,347
m sorry, I

6222
03:06:53,347 --> 03:06:55,182
m trying to find

6223
03:06:55,182 --> 03:06:56,216
the pages here, but I

6224
03:06:56,216 --> 03:06:58,185
appreciate your efforts to do

6225
03:06:58,185 --> 03:06:59,252
the, um, kind of the pocket

6226
03:06:59,252 --> 03:07:02,589
park along Blenheim and some of

6227
03:07:02,589 --> 03:07:04,424
the other things. Um, I Is this?

6228
03:07:04,424 --> 03:07:05,570
Yeah, sorry, there

6229
03:07:05,570 --> 03:07:07,457
s a lot of

6230
03:07:08,762 --> 03:07:09,829
pages. Thank you. Um, But there

6231
03:07:09,829 --> 03:07:10,631
was another, there was another

6232
03:07:10,631 --> 03:07:11,999
spot where you were kind of

6233
03:07:11,999 --> 03:07:12,766
doing a little bit more of a

6234
03:07:12,766 --> 03:07:15,766
park feature. There we go.

6235
03:07:16,536 --> 03:07:18,939
Thank you. Um, so we have, this

6236
03:07:18,939 --> 03:07:21,408
is our phase 1 commitment that

6237
03:07:21,408 --> 03:07:22,776
when the multi-family opens,

6238
03:07:22,776 --> 03:07:24,710
and then the darker green on

6239
03:07:24,710 --> 03:07:26,613
the Blenheim side here would be

6240
03:07:26,613 --> 03:07:27,747
an interim park space, if for

6241
03:07:27,747 --> 03:07:28,148
some reason, we don

6242
03:07:28,148 --> 03:07:30,148
t move

6243
03:07:30,183 --> 03:07:33,190
forward with phase 2, so right

6244
03:07:33,190 --> 03:07:33,987
now, if you MAY, if you recall

6245
03:07:33,987 --> 03:07:35,322
Safeway controls the entire

6246
03:07:35,322 --> 03:07:35,822
parking field with its lease.

6247
03:07:35,822 --> 03:07:36,490
So we can

6248
03:07:36,490 --> 03:07:37,324
t affect those

6249
03:07:37,324 --> 03:07:37,723
parking spaces any more than

6250
03:07:37,723 --> 03:07:38,625
what we

6251
03:07:38,625 --> 03:07:40,559
ve already done, but

6252
03:07:40,559 --> 03:07:41,994
when that lease expires at the

6253
03:07:41,994 --> 03:07:42,962
end of 2034, we can control

6254
03:07:42,962 --> 03:07:45,565
that space and so we can commit

6255
03:07:45,565 --> 03:07:47,500
to turn that Into additional

6256
03:07:47,500 --> 03:07:47,700
open space at that time, if we

6257
03:07:47,700 --> 03:07:49,360
haven

6258
03:07:49,360 --> 03:07:52,360
t filed a phase 2 plan.

6259
03:07:54,740 --> 03:07:55,241
Ok. And Does any interior

6260
03:07:55,241 --> 03:07:59,441
Safeway work get done in any of

6261
03:08:01,781 --> 03:08:01,881
these proposals? So, uh, that

6262
03:08:01,881 --> 03:08:02,115
s

6263
03:08:02,115 --> 03:08:03,417
Safeway

6264
03:08:03,417 --> 03:08:04,918
s decision, it is our

6265
03:08:04,918 --> 03:08:06,786
hope that they will do work on

6266
03:08:06,786 --> 03:08:07,887
the inside of the building, but

6267
03:08:07,887 --> 03:08:10,157
they are completely in control

6268
03:08:10,157 --> 03:08:10,923
of that, um, and not combined,

6269
03:08:10,923 --> 03:08:11,825
unfortunately. Ok, I figured

6270
03:08:11,825 --> 03:08:13,994
that was going to be your

6271
03:08:13,994 --> 03:08:15,562
answer. Um, I do like the brick.

6272
03:08:15,562 --> 03:08:17,831
I, I like all the things that

6273
03:08:17,831 --> 03:08:18,397
you have proposed there. Um,

6274
03:08:18,397 --> 03:08:18,699
remind me again because it

6275
03:08:18,699 --> 03:08:20,699
s a

6276
03:08:20,900 --> 03:08:22,602
lot of pages here. How many

6277
03:08:22,602 --> 03:08:24,171
units total are we talking in

6278
03:08:24,171 --> 03:08:25,571
phase 1 and phase 2? It

6279
03:08:25,571 --> 03:08:27,474
s a

6280
03:08:27,474 --> 03:08:29,410
total of 315 units per building.

6281
03:08:29,410 --> 03:08:30,510
And so phase 1 would be 315,

6282
03:08:30,510 --> 03:08:33,312
and then if we come forward

6283
03:08:33,312 --> 03:08:34,348
with phase 2, it would be 315.

6284
03:08:34,348 --> 03:08:35,414
Um, it

6285
03:08:35,414 --> 03:08:37,814
s important to, yes,

6286
03:08:38,618 --> 03:08:39,719
over. A significant time period,

6287
03:08:39,719 --> 03:08:40,621
right, and we

6288
03:08:40,621 --> 03:08:41,200
re not, we

6289
03:08:41,200 --> 03:08:42,489
re not

6290
03:08:42,489 --> 03:08:44,423
asking for the approval of

6291
03:08:44,423 --> 03:08:46,793
phase 2 of those details now.

6292
03:08:46,793 --> 03:08:47,828
We we are merely committing to

6293
03:08:47,828 --> 03:08:49,161
the buildable envelope, the

6294
03:08:49,161 --> 03:08:50,730
street network, the street

6295
03:08:50,730 --> 03:08:52,990
trees, the open space

6296
03:08:52,990 --> 03:08:53,734
commitments, but we want the

6297
03:08:53,734 --> 03:08:54,100
market, we want the city

6298
03:08:54,100 --> 03:08:55,502
s

6299
03:08:55,502 --> 03:08:58,339
growth to be able to be

6300
03:08:58,339 --> 03:09:00,774
absorbed into to really give us

6301
03:09:00,774 --> 03:09:02,375
guidance on that phase 2. Ok,

6302
03:09:02,375 --> 03:09:02,676
um, and I, I think. Again, it

6303
03:09:02,676 --> 03:09:04,676
s

6304
03:09:06,647 --> 03:09:06,813
a lot of units, but I do think

6305
03:09:06,813 --> 03:09:08,447
it

6306
03:09:08,447 --> 03:09:09,415
s reasonable in, in the, the

6307
03:09:09,415 --> 03:09:12,886
layout and the things that have,

6308
03:09:12,886 --> 03:09:15,187
have come out of this newer, um,

6309
03:09:15,187 --> 03:09:15,889
design with it, do you know

6310
03:09:15,889 --> 03:09:16,957
roughly what your breakdown is

6311
03:09:16,957 --> 03:09:19,957
going to be for 1 versus 2

6312
03:09:21,328 --> 03:09:23,728
versus 3? Units, bedroom units.

6313
03:09:23,897 --> 03:09:24,964
We can get you the specific

6314
03:09:24,964 --> 03:09:25,640
breakdown for now, um, I don

6315
03:09:25,640 --> 03:09:27,640
t

6316
03:09:27,100 --> 03:09:29,502
have that in front of me, but

6317
03:09:29,502 --> 03:09:32,502
we will have the majority 1

6318
03:09:32,972 --> 03:09:35,972
bedroom unit bedroom. Yes. Ok.

6319
03:09:36,760 --> 03:09:37,344
Ok. And will there be any like

6320
03:09:37,344 --> 03:09:38,779
amenities on site? Can you

6321
03:09:38,779 --> 03:09:41,247
remind me for the residents

6322
03:09:41,247 --> 03:09:41,448
that live here? Yes, so, um,

6323
03:09:41,448 --> 03:09:42,748
there

6324
03:09:42,748 --> 03:09:44,551
s a structured parking

6325
03:09:44,551 --> 03:09:45,985
garage fills the, um, upper

6326
03:09:45,985 --> 03:09:46,987
part of the interior building

6327
03:09:46,987 --> 03:09:47,754
and then it

6328
03:09:47,754 --> 03:09:48,421
s an interior green

6329
03:09:48,421 --> 03:09:48,955
courtyard that would have a

6330
03:09:48,955 --> 03:09:50,423
pool. We

6331
03:09:50,423 --> 03:09:52,259
ve committed to a pool

6332
03:09:52,259 --> 03:09:52,692
indoor or outdoor pool outdoor

6333
03:09:52,692 --> 03:09:55,920
pool, um, but it

6334
03:09:55,162 --> 03:09:56,128
s an Uh,

6335
03:09:56,128 --> 03:09:57,663
courtyard that is internal to

6336
03:09:57,663 --> 03:09:58,465
the building, right? So it

6337
03:09:58,465 --> 03:09:59,433
s

6338
03:09:59,433 --> 03:10:00,000
really creates that priva

6339
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:02,400
privacy for those future

6340
03:10:02,602 --> 03:10:03,502
residents. Ok, uh, and I was

6341
03:10:03,502 --> 03:10:05,405
happy there would, there will

6342
03:10:05,405 --> 03:10:06,873
also be a fitness center and

6343
03:10:06,873 --> 03:10:08,308
kind of co-working space in a

6344
03:10:08,308 --> 03:10:09,776
lobby and your traditional, you

6345
03:10:09,776 --> 03:10:11,177
know, pet spa bike room,

6346
03:10:11,177 --> 03:10:11,712
traditional, um, Class a

6347
03:10:11,712 --> 03:10:12,179
apartment amenities. I

6348
03:10:12,179 --> 03:10:14,179
m sorry,

6349
03:10:14,214 --> 03:10:15,916
was that pet spa? Yeah, so a

6350
03:10:15,916 --> 03:10:16,248
spot to wash your dog. All

6351
03:10:16,248 --> 03:10:17,384
right, that

6352
03:10:17,384 --> 03:10:19,784
s called my shower

6353
03:10:22,722 --> 03:10:23,657
right now, but I know. Ok, um.

6354
03:10:23,657 --> 03:10:25,191
Sorry, question just left my

6355
03:10:25,191 --> 03:10:26,593
head. Oh, I did want to thank

6356
03:10:26,593 --> 03:10:27,226
you also for reaching out to

6357
03:10:27,226 --> 03:10:27,393
every single tenant that

6358
03:10:27,393 --> 03:10:28,610
s in

6359
03:10:28,610 --> 03:10:28,427
there. I, I

6360
03:10:28,427 --> 03:10:29,562
ve actually heard

6361
03:10:29,562 --> 03:10:30,290
from a couple of tenants, um,

6362
03:10:30,290 --> 03:10:30,463
this week. I haven

6363
03:10:30,463 --> 03:10:32,463
t had a

6364
03:10:32,765 --> 03:10:33,799
chance to respond yet, but I

6365
03:10:33,799 --> 03:10:34,301
think that the outreach was

6366
03:10:34,301 --> 03:10:35,168
appreciated. I

6367
03:10:35,168 --> 03:10:35,737
m happy to see

6368
03:10:35,737 --> 03:10:36,203
the plan that you

6369
03:10:36,203 --> 03:10:38,203
ve put in

6370
03:10:40,700 --> 03:10:42,209
place and just to make sure I

6371
03:10:42,209 --> 03:10:42,341
understand what that is. It

6372
03:10:42,341 --> 03:10:44,341
s a

6373
03:10:46,912 --> 03:10:48,115
commitment of Low for up to 3

6374
03:10:48,115 --> 03:10:50,115
years with pre-negotiated

6375
03:10:51,417 --> 03:10:53,119
increases of 3% per year. So

6376
03:10:53,119 --> 03:10:55,588
after those, so this would

6377
03:10:55,588 --> 03:10:57,988
allow them to Temporarily

6378
03:10:59,358 --> 03:11:01,627
relocate. Come back into your

6379
03:11:01,627 --> 03:11:05,227
new space for 3 years with a 3%

6380
03:11:06,132 --> 03:11:06,967
increase. Is that correct? So

6381
03:11:06,967 --> 03:11:09,569
whether the relocation would be

6382
03:11:09,569 --> 03:11:10,337
up to the tenant, so we

6383
03:11:10,337 --> 03:11:12,337
ve

6384
03:11:12,738 --> 03:11:14,373
committed to, um, helping them

6385
03:11:14,373 --> 03:11:16,576
find a new space if they would

6386
03:11:16,576 --> 03:11:18,478
like, um, or if they do want to

6387
03:11:18,478 --> 03:11:20,800
come back into the space, then

6388
03:11:20,800 --> 03:11:22,482
we could help them in that

6389
03:11:22,482 --> 03:11:23,917
situation as well, but it is

6390
03:11:23,917 --> 03:11:25,885
challenging for tenants to move

6391
03:11:25,885 --> 03:11:26,119
twice, um, so there probably

6392
03:11:26,119 --> 03:11:27,321
wouldn

6393
03:11:27,321 --> 03:11:29,189
t be very many that do

6394
03:11:29,189 --> 03:11:30,524
that, but we are open to them

6395
03:11:30,524 --> 03:11:32,158
coming back if they would like

6396
03:11:32,158 --> 03:11:35,529
to do that. Ok. And is there

6397
03:11:35,529 --> 03:11:36,630
any Anyway, with the

6398
03:11:36,630 --> 03:11:38,899
construction and my, the answer

6399
03:11:38,899 --> 03:11:41,268
might be no, but is there any

6400
03:11:41,268 --> 03:11:43,202
way that these businesses could

6401
03:11:43,202 --> 03:11:44,204
stay in place during some

6402
03:11:44,204 --> 03:11:44,805
portion of the construction,

6403
03:11:44,805 --> 03:11:45,671
like when you

6404
03:11:45,671 --> 03:11:45,806
re working on the,

6405
03:11:45,806 --> 03:11:47,390
I

6406
03:11:47,390 --> 03:11:47,340
m going to use the word left

6407
03:11:47,340 --> 03:11:48,108
because i

6408
03:11:48,108 --> 03:11:49,710
m not good with east

6409
03:11:49,710 --> 03:11:51,477
and west, with the left portion

6410
03:11:51,477 --> 03:11:53,450
and those kind of things, or is

6411
03:11:53,450 --> 03:11:53,981
it once you start, you start

6412
03:11:53,981 --> 03:11:55,882
and everything to the left of

6413
03:11:55,882 --> 03:11:59,482
the Safeway is, is kind of

6414
03:12:00,654 --> 03:12:01,540
instantly gone. Oops, it

6415
03:12:01,540 --> 03:12:02,220
s more

6416
03:12:02,220 --> 03:12:03,123
than likely everyone will have

6417
03:12:03,123 --> 03:12:05,892
to vacate for safety reasons.

6418
03:12:05,892 --> 03:12:07,127
We usually have to cut off gas,

6419
03:12:07,127 --> 03:12:10,127
power, water, and make sure

6420
03:12:11,980 --> 03:12:11,264
things are safe. Ok. Ok, well,

6421
03:12:11,264 --> 03:12:11,999
it

6422
03:12:11,999 --> 03:12:13,533
s never perfect for

6423
03:12:13,533 --> 03:12:14,301
everybody, right? But I do

6424
03:12:14,301 --> 03:12:15,670
appreciate what you are doing,

6425
03:12:15,670 --> 03:12:15,835
and I, I think it

6426
03:12:15,835 --> 03:12:17,337
s clear that

6427
03:12:17,337 --> 03:12:19,206
you have gone above and beyond,

6428
03:12:19,206 --> 03:12:20,339
I know phase 2 was not

6429
03:12:20,339 --> 03:12:21,674
something that you initially

6430
03:12:21,674 --> 03:12:23,760
wanted to kind of commit to at

6431
03:12:23,760 --> 03:12:24,478
this point. I know there was a

6432
03:12:24,478 --> 03:12:25,511
lot of pushback on that from

6433
03:12:25,511 --> 03:12:26,946
city staff, from, you know,

6434
03:12:26,946 --> 03:12:28,348
members of council as well. So,

6435
03:12:28,348 --> 03:12:29,916
I do want to acknowledge that I,

6436
03:12:29,916 --> 03:12:30,916
I can tell a lot of extra work

6437
03:12:30,916 --> 03:12:34,516
has gone into this. So thank

6438
03:12:34,821 --> 03:12:37,821
you very much. Thank you.

6439
03:12:39,926 --> 03:12:41,862
Council member McQuillan. Thank

6440
03:12:41,862 --> 03:12:43,797
you. This is much, a much

6441
03:12:43,797 --> 03:12:44,864
better fit than previous

6442
03:12:44,864 --> 03:12:46,265
submissions. I really

6443
03:12:46,265 --> 03:12:49,680
appreciate, um, the work that

6444
03:12:49,680 --> 03:12:49,770
you all did on changing the

6445
03:12:49,770 --> 03:12:52,170
colors and the architecture

6446
03:12:52,906 --> 03:12:55,420
look to it. It looks much more

6447
03:12:55,420 --> 03:12:56,843
like it fits in this area of

6448
03:12:56,843 --> 03:12:58,679
our community. Um, I also like

6449
03:12:58,679 --> 03:12:59,645
the reduced height at the

6450
03:12:59,645 --> 03:13:01,800
corner of University and

6451
03:13:01,800 --> 03:13:03,483
Democracy, I think that, that

6452
03:13:03,483 --> 03:13:04,584
really does make a huge

6453
03:13:04,584 --> 03:13:06,530
difference. The 10-foot

6454
03:13:06,530 --> 03:13:07,486
sidewalks, thank you, really

6455
03:13:07,486 --> 03:13:09,356
appreciate that and the green

6456
03:13:09,356 --> 03:13:13,556
spaces, I like that as well. Um,

6457
03:13:13,592 --> 03:13:14,962
The only concern I have, oh, I,

6458
03:13:14,962 --> 03:13:16,897
i do like your explanation

6459
03:13:16,897 --> 03:13:18,898
about your approach and your

6460
03:13:18,898 --> 03:13:20,300
strategy for phase 2, and the

6461
03:13:20,300 --> 03:13:21,702
Safeway, if you could do that,

6462
03:13:21,702 --> 03:13:23,602
that would look great. Um, the

6463
03:13:23,602 --> 03:13:24,171
only concern I have is density

6464
03:13:24,171 --> 03:13:24,604
still. It

6465
03:13:24,604 --> 03:13:24,704
s still pretty, it

6466
03:13:24,704 --> 03:13:26,606
s

6467
03:13:26,606 --> 03:13:29,776
still a lot of units there for

6468
03:13:29,776 --> 03:13:29,976
me. Um, however, It looks like

6469
03:13:29,976 --> 03:13:30,844
there

6470
03:13:30,844 --> 03:13:33,680
s, I guess the only

6471
03:13:33,680 --> 03:13:35,182
question I have then is what,

6472
03:13:35,182 --> 03:13:35,949
what community benefit beyond

6473
03:13:35,949 --> 03:13:39,549
just housing, do you see this

6474
03:13:41,220 --> 03:13:42,880
offering? So we have a

6475
03:13:42,880 --> 03:13:42,588
commitment statement within

6476
03:13:42,588 --> 03:13:44,588
that statement we

6477
03:13:44,992 --> 03:13:46,992
ve, you know,

6478
03:13:47,761 --> 03:13:50,129
made commitments to, um,

6479
03:13:50,129 --> 03:13:51,632
financially fund the schools.

6480
03:13:51,632 --> 03:13:53,330
Financially fund Parks and Rec.

6481
03:13:53,330 --> 03:13:57,233
Trying to get to the right page.

6482
03:13:58,271 --> 03:13:59,238
We

6483
03:13:59,238 --> 03:14:01,638
ve made our tenant

6484
03:14:02,800 --> 03:14:03,110
relocation, sorry. I skipped

6485
03:14:03,110 --> 03:14:04,110
right by it. So the city school

6486
03:14:04,110 --> 03:14:04,977
fund, we

6487
03:14:04,977 --> 03:14:06,813
ve committed to $1600

6488
03:14:06,813 --> 03:14:07,514
a unit, which is more than

6489
03:14:07,514 --> 03:14:09,216
other applicants have committed

6490
03:14:09,216 --> 03:14:09,483
to and we studied this last

6491
03:14:09,483 --> 03:14:11,483
time, we

6492
03:14:12,586 --> 03:14:14,210
ve got, um, $367 a

6493
03:14:14,210 --> 03:14:14,554
unit for city recreational

6494
03:14:14,554 --> 03:14:15,988
amenities. We

6495
03:14:15,988 --> 03:14:17,988
ve committed to

6496
03:14:18,357 --> 03:14:19,993
up to $305,000 toward

6497
03:14:19,993 --> 03:14:20,160
undergrounding utilities, um,

6498
03:14:20,160 --> 03:14:21,260
we

6499
03:14:21,260 --> 03:14:22,194
ve added $10,000 for

6500
03:14:22,194 --> 03:14:23,630
commemorative signage on the

6501
03:14:23,630 --> 03:14:25,164
site and a variety of things

6502
03:14:25,164 --> 03:14:27,633
like that. Thank you so much,

6503
03:14:27,633 --> 03:14:30,469
and then, um, my last question

6504
03:14:30,469 --> 03:14:32,239
was that the small area plan in

6505
03:14:32,239 --> 03:14:33,272
this area, what is the top

6506
03:14:33,272 --> 03:14:34,708
amount of stories that you can

6507
03:14:34,708 --> 03:14:35,341
go for this spot. It calls for

6508
03:14:35,341 --> 03:14:36,142
6 stories. It

6509
03:14:36,142 --> 03:14:36,242
s 6, and that

6510
03:14:36,242 --> 03:14:37,576
s

6511
03:14:37,576 --> 03:14:37,777
what this says, right? And

6512
03:14:37,777 --> 03:14:38,711
that

6513
03:14:38,711 --> 03:14:41,711
s what we proposed. Thank

6514
03:14:43,216 --> 03:14:45,118
you, I appreciate that. Council

6515
03:14:45,118 --> 03:14:45,751
member Peterson, just a couple

6516
03:14:45,751 --> 03:14:48,522
of clarifying questions I MAY

6517
03:14:48,522 --> 03:14:51,424
need a little help from staff

6518
03:14:51,424 --> 03:14:53,292
on this. I got the presentation

6519
03:14:53,292 --> 03:14:53,493
this morning at 9 and really

6520
03:14:53,493 --> 03:14:54,528
didn

6521
03:14:54,528 --> 03:14:58,128
t have a chance to go

6522
03:14:58,130 --> 03:14:59,232
through this and Details, so,

6523
03:14:59,232 --> 03:15:02,168
uh, pardon me if I have not

6524
03:15:02,168 --> 03:15:03,170
been able to Uh, capture

6525
03:15:03,170 --> 03:15:03,603
everything in here and that I

6526
03:15:03,603 --> 03:15:04,770
m

6527
03:15:04,770 --> 03:15:06,173
not able to capture everything

6528
03:15:06,173 --> 03:15:09,173
with the questions right now.

6529
03:15:10,110 --> 03:15:13,245
Um, But just a couple of

6530
03:15:13,245 --> 03:15:13,446
clarifications here. You said

6531
03:15:13,446 --> 03:15:15,446
there

6532
03:15:15,716 --> 03:15:17,684
s 0 residential. Density,

6533
03:15:17,684 --> 03:15:19,586
or 0 residential. What were you

6534
03:15:19,586 --> 03:15:21,555
referring to again? So in the

6535
03:15:21,555 --> 03:15:22,888
small area plan when that was

6536
03:15:22,888 --> 03:15:24,910
adopted in 2020, it identified

6537
03:15:24,910 --> 03:15:26,760
that there was no residential.

6538
03:15:26,760 --> 03:15:28,795
I can pull up the page number.

6539
03:15:28,795 --> 03:15:31,565
No residential in this portion

6540
03:15:31,565 --> 03:15:31,731
of, um, the small area plan, so

6541
03:15:31,731 --> 03:15:32,999
it

6542
03:15:32,999 --> 03:15:35,502
s page 25 of the small area

6543
03:15:35,502 --> 03:15:37,804
plan, it has pie graphs on it

6544
03:15:37,804 --> 03:15:40,406
and it noted existing mix of

6545
03:15:40,406 --> 03:15:42,109
uses and proposed mix of uses

6546
03:15:42,109 --> 03:15:43,410
this portion, are you talking

6547
03:15:43,410 --> 03:15:44,100
about the old town Fairfax

6548
03:15:44,100 --> 03:15:46,380
property, Old Town Fairfax

6549
03:15:46,380 --> 03:15:46,646
Small. Are plan, and there

6550
03:15:46,646 --> 03:15:48,646
s no

6551
03:15:48,714 --> 03:15:51,551
residential in that area, that

6552
03:15:51,551 --> 03:15:52,852
is what the small area plan

6553
03:15:52,852 --> 03:15:55,252
document identified on page 25

6554
03:15:55,888 --> 03:15:58,992
with a pie chart. So when the

6555
03:15:58,992 --> 03:15:59,526
plan was completed in 2020.

6556
03:15:59,526 --> 03:16:00,960
There wasn

6557
03:16:00,960 --> 03:16:02,795
t any, but now on

6558
03:16:02,795 --> 03:16:04,264
page 8 of my staff report I

6559
03:16:04,264 --> 03:16:06,667
have the same table that you

6560
03:16:06,667 --> 03:16:09,636
saw in my last presentation, so

6561
03:16:09,636 --> 03:16:11,571
there, there has been plans

6562
03:16:11,571 --> 03:16:14,408
approved, um, since then. Yeah,

6563
03:16:14,408 --> 03:16:16,420
I think the planning commission

6564
03:16:16,420 --> 03:16:17,543
commented on 2000 bedrooms, uh,

6565
03:16:17,543 --> 03:16:18,879
in that area, so some such

6566
03:16:18,879 --> 03:16:20,746
figure, but I, I was just a

6567
03:16:20,746 --> 03:16:20,914
little surprised to hear that

6568
03:16:20,914 --> 03:16:22,810
it

6569
03:16:22,810 --> 03:16:23,182
s my neighborhood, so, you

6570
03:16:23,182 --> 03:16:25,182
know, I

6571
03:16:25,985 --> 03:16:28,540
m familiar with, uh, a

6572
03:16:28,540 --> 03:16:29,422
lot of residences there. Um,

6573
03:16:29,422 --> 03:16:33,220
the, maybe to go back just,

6574
03:16:33,427 --> 03:16:34,894
just to be a little clear. Um,

6575
03:16:34,894 --> 03:16:36,396
And again, I got the

6576
03:16:36,396 --> 03:16:38,565
presentation and I, I noticed

6577
03:16:38,565 --> 03:16:42,165
something in it that said, The

6578
03:16:43,437 --> 03:16:45,939
smaller plan. I think it was

6579
03:16:45,939 --> 03:16:46,239
calls for 1250 units and it

6580
03:16:46,239 --> 03:16:46,939
s

6581
03:16:46,939 --> 03:16:48,641
my understanding that this sort

6582
03:16:48,641 --> 03:16:50,677
of goes back to the earlier

6583
03:16:50,677 --> 03:16:53,770
discussion this evening that

6584
03:16:53,280 --> 03:16:54,948
that 1250 is, uh, potential

6585
03:16:54,948 --> 03:16:55,115
under market conditions, but

6586
03:16:55,115 --> 03:16:57,115
it

6587
03:16:57,384 --> 03:16:57,584
s not a goal, right, yep,

6588
03:16:57,584 --> 03:16:58,285
that

6589
03:16:58,285 --> 03:17:01,154
s just an estimate from

6590
03:17:01,154 --> 03:17:01,321
the small area plan. Ok, so

6591
03:17:01,321 --> 03:17:01,822
it

6592
03:17:01,822 --> 03:17:02,189
s not really calling for

6593
03:17:02,189 --> 03:17:03,289
that, it

6594
03:17:03,289 --> 03:17:04,900
s just saying that

6595
03:17:04,900 --> 03:17:05,191
s a

6596
03:17:05,191 --> 03:17:07,191
possibility under market

6597
03:17:07,460 --> 03:17:08,829
conditions. It also is not

6598
03:17:08,829 --> 03:17:11,229
requiring 6 stories. It is

6599
03:17:11,998 --> 03:17:12,299
permitting up to 16. Stories,

6600
03:17:12,299 --> 03:17:12,732
so there

6601
03:17:12,732 --> 03:17:14,732
s flexibility around

6602
03:17:17,370 --> 03:17:18,505
that. Um, ok, so then the other

6603
03:17:18,505 --> 03:17:21,141
thing, and not to be totally

6604
03:17:21,141 --> 03:17:22,575
nitpicky here, but the guiding

6605
03:17:22,575 --> 03:17:24,945
principles for redevelopment, I

6606
03:17:24,945 --> 03:17:28,247
think are really focused on The

6607
03:17:28,247 --> 03:17:29,749
kinds of, um, Design

6608
03:17:29,749 --> 03:17:29,849
considerations that you

6609
03:17:29,849 --> 03:17:31,685
ve

6610
03:17:31,685 --> 03:17:32,151
brought to the site and I, I

6611
03:17:32,151 --> 03:17:32,719
think you

6612
03:17:32,719 --> 03:17:34,621
ve been working

6613
03:17:34,621 --> 03:17:34,721
really hard on that. Uh, it

6614
03:17:34,721 --> 03:17:35,489
s

6615
03:17:35,489 --> 03:17:36,455
clear, but I

6616
03:17:36,455 --> 03:17:37,570
m just wondering,

6617
03:17:37,570 --> 03:17:38,325
I mean, we

6618
03:17:38,325 --> 03:17:41,227
re acting, uh, as a

6619
03:17:41,227 --> 03:17:42,796
body here to make a public

6620
03:17:42,796 --> 03:17:43,363
policy decision and are driven

6621
03:17:43,363 --> 03:17:45,598
by community interest and

6622
03:17:45,598 --> 03:17:45,732
public. Interest in this, and

6623
03:17:45,732 --> 03:17:47,100
I

6624
03:17:47,100 --> 03:17:49,468
m wondering, are there,

6625
03:17:49,468 --> 03:17:50,904
perhaps this is, uh, for staff,

6626
03:17:50,904 --> 03:17:52,390
but there ought to be another

6627
03:17:52,390 --> 03:17:54,474
set of principles here or a

6628
03:17:54,474 --> 03:17:55,842
principle anyway. Related to

6629
03:17:55,842 --> 03:17:56,977
the public interest, and how

6630
03:17:56,977 --> 03:17:59,379
would you express that in terms

6631
03:17:59,379 --> 03:18:01,180
of how this meets. As a matter

6632
03:18:01,180 --> 03:18:03,249
of principle, public interest

6633
03:18:03,249 --> 03:18:04,418
to put this particular Uh,

6634
03:18:04,418 --> 03:18:04,518
proposal in place, and I

6635
03:18:04,518 --> 03:18:06,119
m

6636
03:18:06,119 --> 03:18:06,486
particularly noting. There

6637
03:18:06,486 --> 03:18:07,921
s

6638
03:18:07,921 --> 03:18:08,689
been a lot of concern about

6639
03:18:08,689 --> 03:18:08,789
height and density. There

6640
03:18:08,789 --> 03:18:10,324
s

6641
03:18:10,324 --> 03:18:11,991
also been a lot of concern

6642
03:18:11,991 --> 03:18:13,960
about the shift here towards

6643
03:18:13,960 --> 03:18:15,195
residential, uh, versus

6644
03:18:15,195 --> 03:18:15,595
commercial, and the city

6645
03:18:15,595 --> 03:18:16,563
s

6646
03:18:16,563 --> 03:18:17,730
overall need for expanding

6647
03:18:17,730 --> 03:18:19,465
commercial in light of that,

6648
03:18:19,465 --> 03:18:20,833
what, what is the principle

6649
03:18:20,833 --> 03:18:25,330
here in terms of, of the public

6650
03:18:25,705 --> 03:18:28,342
interest for this. So this

6651
03:18:28,342 --> 03:18:28,909
shopping center has been, um.

6652
03:18:28,909 --> 03:18:29,910
Not the city

6653
03:18:29,910 --> 03:18:32,310
s crown jewel for

6654
03:18:32,678 --> 03:18:34,146
decades, and so we think the

6655
03:18:34,146 --> 03:18:35,514
public interest will be

6656
03:18:35,514 --> 03:18:36,984
represented by redoing the

6657
03:18:36,984 --> 03:18:39,386
shopping center and creating it

6658
03:18:39,386 --> 03:18:41,288
to be an active and vibrant

6659
03:18:41,288 --> 03:18:41,754
community with strong

6660
03:18:41,754 --> 03:18:43,690
pedestrian vehicular

6661
03:18:43,690 --> 03:18:46,690
connections through it, lots of

6662
03:18:47,600 --> 03:18:48,629
new open spaces and wider and

6663
03:18:48,629 --> 03:18:49,695
improved street presence along

6664
03:18:49,695 --> 03:18:52,665
to central drives to the city,

6665
03:18:52,665 --> 03:18:53,734
university, and Blenheim. So we,

6666
03:18:53,734 --> 03:18:53,933
we certainly hear a lot,

6667
03:18:53,933 --> 03:18:55,669
there

6668
03:18:55,669 --> 03:18:59,390
s been a lot of comment

6669
03:18:59,390 --> 03:19:00,539
on this, um. I, you know,

6670
03:19:00,539 --> 03:19:03,275
people love the grocery store,

6671
03:19:03,275 --> 03:19:06,179
etc. I think the thing that is

6672
03:19:06,179 --> 03:19:07,247
being raised that, uh, perhaps

6673
03:19:07,247 --> 03:19:08,582
raises inconsistency with

6674
03:19:08,582 --> 03:19:09,549
public interest is the

6675
03:19:09,549 --> 03:19:10,716
heightened density here and,

6676
03:19:10,716 --> 03:19:13,386
and the athletics have come a

6677
03:19:13,386 --> 03:19:14,388
long way, but still, this is a

6678
03:19:14,388 --> 03:19:15,656
lot in this particular spot,

6679
03:19:15,656 --> 03:19:17,257
there is a lot of development

6680
03:19:17,257 --> 03:19:18,225
here already, a lot of

6681
03:19:18,225 --> 03:19:20,126
residential development. So I,

6682
03:19:20,126 --> 03:19:20,726
I just want to acknowledge that

6683
03:19:20,726 --> 03:19:21,361
I think we

6684
03:19:21,361 --> 03:19:22,996
ve all heard that

6685
03:19:22,996 --> 03:19:24,130
there is a lot of concern about

6686
03:19:24,130 --> 03:19:24,931
that, and it

6687
03:19:24,931 --> 03:19:25,831
s really been

6688
03:19:25,831 --> 03:19:26,330
raising the question of whether

6689
03:19:26,330 --> 03:19:27,567
there

6690
03:19:27,567 --> 03:19:28,602
s some modification that

6691
03:19:28,602 --> 03:19:30,936
Could address the concerns that

6692
03:19:30,936 --> 03:19:32,380
have been raised about that. I,

6693
03:19:32,380 --> 03:19:32,873
I recognize there have been

6694
03:19:32,873 --> 03:19:33,105
some changes here. Y

6695
03:19:33,105 --> 03:19:34,908
all have

6696
03:19:34,908 --> 03:19:36,760
worked very hard on it, but the

6697
03:19:36,760 --> 03:19:39,760
first blush, it looks very

6698
03:19:40,180 --> 03:19:40,479
similar. And scale, uh, to the

6699
03:19:40,479 --> 03:19:40,880
proposal we

6700
03:19:40,880 --> 03:19:42,615
ve been seeing for

6701
03:19:42,615 --> 03:19:43,500
a while, so, and I

6702
03:19:43,500 --> 03:19:44,840
m hearing

6703
03:19:44,840 --> 03:19:45,452
that from others in the

6704
03:19:45,452 --> 03:19:47,987
community who are seeing this

6705
03:19:47,987 --> 03:19:48,821
and the general reaction is

6706
03:19:48,821 --> 03:19:51,221
essentially the same while

6707
03:19:52,325 --> 03:19:53,292
there have been some, um,

6708
03:19:53,292 --> 03:19:54,561
modifications involved in this

6709
03:19:54,561 --> 03:19:56,961
and improvements. It is

6710
03:19:57,300 --> 03:19:58,198
essentially the same proposal

6711
03:19:58,198 --> 03:19:59,565
as was originally presented and

6712
03:19:59,565 --> 03:20:02,703
that, you know, is a concern to

6713
03:20:02,703 --> 03:20:03,704
a lot of people. Uh, I look

6714
03:20:03,704 --> 03:20:05,639
forward to spending more time

6715
03:20:05,639 --> 03:20:06,573
with us and getting a chance to,

6716
03:20:06,573 --> 03:20:08,108
uh, digest this a little bit

6717
03:20:08,108 --> 03:20:09,943
more, but I, I would hope that

6718
03:20:09,943 --> 03:20:12,379
there would be a way for us to

6719
03:20:12,379 --> 03:20:13,280
address some of those concerns.

6720
03:20:13,280 --> 03:20:16,880
I also think that the phase 2

6721
03:20:18,618 --> 03:20:19,619
thing It is very helpful to

6722
03:20:19,619 --> 03:20:21,555
have made additional

6723
03:20:21,555 --> 03:20:21,754
commitments around phase 2, but

6724
03:20:21,754 --> 03:20:22,255
they

6725
03:20:22,255 --> 03:20:22,990
re certainly not

6726
03:20:22,990 --> 03:20:23,456
guarantees, and I

6727
03:20:23,456 --> 03:20:23,624
m not sure

6728
03:20:23,624 --> 03:20:24,891
we

6729
03:20:24,891 --> 03:20:25,580
re yet at the stage where

6730
03:20:25,580 --> 03:20:26,260
we

6731
03:20:26,260 --> 03:20:28,728
ve seen a layout for what

6732
03:20:28,728 --> 03:20:29,429
this area would look like under

6733
03:20:29,429 --> 03:20:31,632
a fully developed approach here.

6734
03:20:31,632 --> 03:20:33,990
I know that was a

6735
03:20:33,990 --> 03:20:34,233
recommendation slash concern of

6736
03:20:34,233 --> 03:20:34,600
staff, um, I

6737
03:20:34,600 --> 03:20:35,969
m interested in

6738
03:20:35,969 --> 03:20:36,970
looking further to see what, to

6739
03:20:36,970 --> 03:20:37,570
what extent that

6740
03:20:37,570 --> 03:20:38,538
s actually

6741
03:20:38,538 --> 03:20:39,439
been addressed, but it would

6742
03:20:39,439 --> 03:20:41,441
seem to me it

6743
03:20:41,441 --> 03:20:43,841
s a valid, um

6744
03:20:44,344 --> 03:20:45,478
Request, um, to have a closer

6745
03:20:45,478 --> 03:20:46,545
understanding of what a full

6746
03:20:46,545 --> 03:20:47,881
buildout would this look like

6747
03:20:47,881 --> 03:20:50,117
with, uh, of this place would

6748
03:20:50,117 --> 03:20:51,752
look like, uh, as a

6749
03:20:51,752 --> 03:20:52,953
particularly, um, pays

6750
03:20:52,953 --> 03:20:54,210
attention to commercial and

6751
03:20:54,210 --> 03:20:56,210
restate retail development.

6752
03:20:56,923 --> 03:20:59,923
Thank you. Council member Hardy

6753
03:21:02,662 --> 03:21:04,598
Chandler. So there is a great

6754
03:21:04,598 --> 03:21:05,531
deal of evidence that you have

6755
03:21:05,531 --> 03:21:06,650
been listening and integrating

6756
03:21:06,650 --> 03:21:07,566
what you

6757
03:21:07,566 --> 03:21:09,468
ve been hearing into

6758
03:21:09,468 --> 03:21:12,468
this next iteration of your

6759
03:21:13,906 --> 03:21:16,343
proposal, um, I want to Um,

6760
03:21:16,343 --> 03:21:17,877
echo some of the positives that

6761
03:21:17,877 --> 03:21:19,211
people have been talking about

6762
03:21:19,211 --> 03:21:20,746
the green spaces and those

6763
03:21:20,746 --> 03:21:22,816
kinds of things and add to that

6764
03:21:22,816 --> 03:21:26,860
list that you also listened in

6765
03:21:26,860 --> 03:21:27,887
terms of, um, concerns about

6766
03:21:27,887 --> 03:21:30,287
connectivity and that the

6767
03:21:31,224 --> 03:21:33,426
roadway spaces as well as the

6768
03:21:33,426 --> 03:21:34,227
pedestrian spaces, um, I do

6769
03:21:34,227 --> 03:21:35,950
think that, and I don

6770
03:21:35,950 --> 03:21:36,128
t have a

6771
03:21:36,128 --> 03:21:38,528
question, my questions have

6772
03:21:40,434 --> 03:21:42,302
been answered. I do think that,

6773
03:21:42,302 --> 03:21:42,669
um, you are making an attempt

6774
03:21:42,669 --> 03:21:44,669
to balance what

6775
03:21:45,305 --> 03:21:46,239
s Needed in

6776
03:21:46,239 --> 03:21:47,840
terms of development against

6777
03:21:47,840 --> 03:21:49,675
what would happen if you did

6778
03:21:49,675 --> 03:21:50,644
nothing, right? And I want to

6779
03:21:50,644 --> 03:21:52,790
highlight what you were

6780
03:21:52,790 --> 03:21:53,512
starting to say about that

6781
03:21:53,512 --> 03:21:57,112
being the public policy of it

6782
03:21:57,884 --> 03:21:59,190
not being the crown jewel and,

6783
03:21:59,190 --> 03:22:00,320
um, really looking at how we

6784
03:22:00,320 --> 03:22:01,253
re

6785
03:22:01,253 --> 03:22:03,653
uplifting the whole activity

6786
03:22:04,157 --> 03:22:07,494
area. I get the concerns about,

6787
03:22:07,494 --> 03:22:09,396
um, about, uh, density, those

6788
03:22:09,396 --> 03:22:11,398
are definitely an ongoing

6789
03:22:11,398 --> 03:22:12,232
balancing act, and yet as has

6790
03:22:12,232 --> 03:22:13,466
been mentioned, I think by the

6791
03:22:13,466 --> 03:22:16,336
mayor several times, you know.

6792
03:22:16,336 --> 03:22:19,206
Just in terms of having people

6793
03:22:19,206 --> 03:22:21,608
near the spaces to support the

6794
03:22:21,608 --> 03:22:22,742
retail aspects, I think is an

6795
03:22:22,742 --> 03:22:24,742
important contribution, um,

6796
03:22:25,110 --> 03:22:26,879
something has to be done there,

6797
03:22:26,879 --> 03:22:29,820
um, and I think that every

6798
03:22:29,820 --> 03:22:31,585
attempt has been made by your

6799
03:22:31,585 --> 03:22:33,985
organization which has Invested

6800
03:22:34,530 --> 03:22:35,255
in the city. Which that is

6801
03:22:35,255 --> 03:22:36,723
another point I want to

6802
03:22:36,723 --> 03:22:38,191
highlight that you have made

6803
03:22:38,191 --> 03:22:40,127
other investments in the city,

6804
03:22:40,127 --> 03:22:42,940
um, this is, I try not to look

6805
03:22:42,940 --> 03:22:43,930
at things in isolation. This is

6806
03:22:43,930 --> 03:22:44,970
yet another investment that

6807
03:22:44,970 --> 03:22:46,970
you

6808
03:22:47,367 --> 03:22:49,403
re making in our city to,

6809
03:22:49,403 --> 03:22:51,638
um, kind of collectively, uh,

6810
03:22:51,638 --> 03:22:53,173
elevate our sys our city, so I

6811
03:22:53,173 --> 03:22:53,540
appreciate the work that you

6812
03:22:53,540 --> 03:22:55,540
ve

6813
03:22:56,900 --> 03:22:56,209
done. I appreciate listening,

6814
03:22:56,209 --> 03:22:58,209
that

6815
03:22:58,378 --> 03:23:00,279
s evident to me, um, doing

6816
03:23:00,279 --> 03:23:01,714
nothing is not an option, and I

6817
03:23:01,714 --> 03:23:04,714
think, uh, I supported this

6818
03:23:05,352 --> 03:23:06,253
project in its prior iteration.

6819
03:23:06,253 --> 03:23:06,520
Uh, so with the advancements

6820
03:23:06,520 --> 03:23:07,921
that you

6821
03:23:07,921 --> 03:23:09,221
ve made and showing

6822
03:23:09,221 --> 03:23:09,623
once again that you

6823
03:23:09,623 --> 03:23:11,623
re willing

6824
03:23:12,692 --> 03:23:13,459
to listen to the feedback, um,

6825
03:23:13,459 --> 03:23:13,627
I appreciate the changes that

6826
03:23:13,627 --> 03:23:14,594
you

6827
03:23:14,594 --> 03:23:17,431
ve made and I just want to

6828
03:23:17,431 --> 03:23:20,334
highlight that, and again, uh,

6829
03:23:20,334 --> 03:23:22,202
for me, no development on that

6830
03:23:22,202 --> 03:23:24,638
very central spot in our city

6831
03:23:24,638 --> 03:23:26,405
is is an option that I think

6832
03:23:26,405 --> 03:23:29,405
goes against, um, public policy

6833
03:23:31,578 --> 03:23:32,980
for our city, thank you. Uh,

6834
03:23:32,980 --> 03:23:34,414
other comments, Council member

6835
03:23:34,414 --> 03:23:34,581
Peterson, just to underscore, I

6836
03:23:34,581 --> 03:23:35,414
don

6837
03:23:35,414 --> 03:23:37,317
t think I

6838
03:23:37,317 --> 03:23:37,918
m hearing from

6839
03:23:37,918 --> 03:23:38,986
anybody, there

6840
03:23:38,986 --> 03:23:40,986
s a preference

6841
03:23:42,890 --> 03:23:43,322
for 0, redevelopment here. I

6842
03:23:43,322 --> 03:23:45,722
think everybody, like many

6843
03:23:45,959 --> 03:23:46,493
other spots in the city,

6844
03:23:46,493 --> 03:23:47,600
virtually everybody is

6845
03:23:47,600 --> 03:23:49,396
interested in that. The

6846
03:23:49,396 --> 03:23:49,696
question is how. And that

6847
03:23:49,696 --> 03:23:51,263
s

6848
03:23:51,263 --> 03:23:54,340
really where the feedback has

6849
03:23:54,340 --> 03:23:55,535
been, so, uh, again, I would

6850
03:23:55,535 --> 03:23:59,339
hope that we would be able to

6851
03:23:59,339 --> 03:24:01,908
focus a little bit more on the

6852
03:24:01,908 --> 03:24:03,510
fundamentals of what that, um,

6853
03:24:03,510 --> 03:24:04,944
question really, um, involves

6854
03:24:04,944 --> 03:24:07,481
from the community in terms of

6855
03:24:07,481 --> 03:24:09,881
what happens here. Thanks.

6856
03:24:09,983 --> 03:24:10,283
Council member Amos? Last

6857
03:24:10,283 --> 03:24:11,318
comment i

6858
03:24:11,318 --> 03:24:11,418
ll make, uh, and it

6859
03:24:11,418 --> 03:24:13,418
s

6860
03:24:14,254 --> 03:24:16,890
a quick one just because I, I

6861
03:24:16,890 --> 03:24:18,240
see some similarities to it and

6862
03:24:18,240 --> 03:24:19,558
a lot of it depended on phase 1

6863
03:24:19,558 --> 03:24:21,862
getting approved and then phase

6864
03:24:21,862 --> 03:24:23,764
2 ideally happening, but that

6865
03:24:23,764 --> 03:24:24,431
phase 2 location does give me

6866
03:24:24,431 --> 03:24:27,431
elements of Fairfax Quarter in

6867
03:24:28,335 --> 03:24:30,970
it, and I do appreciate that.

6868
03:24:30,970 --> 03:24:33,307
Other questions or comments? I

6869
03:24:33,307 --> 03:24:33,407
like the the project, um. I

6870
03:24:33,407 --> 03:24:34,807
ve

6871
03:24:34,807 --> 03:24:38,407
been looking at the Safeway now

6872
03:24:38,545 --> 03:24:39,745
for, you know, since 1981. And

6873
03:24:39,745 --> 03:24:41,915
it is right in the center of

6874
03:24:41,915 --> 03:24:42,649
our city, and when we talk

6875
03:24:42,649 --> 03:24:44,751
about getting feedback from the

6876
03:24:44,751 --> 03:24:46,653
public, that is the point of

6877
03:24:46,653 --> 03:24:48,322
having a public hearing, and I

6878
03:24:48,322 --> 03:24:49,523
do expect that we will hear

6879
03:24:49,523 --> 03:24:50,823
from residents who have a

6880
03:24:50,823 --> 03:24:52,590
vested interest, including the

6881
03:24:52,590 --> 03:24:54,361
people across the street who

6882
03:24:54,361 --> 03:24:56,363
are residents, but I hope we

6883
03:24:56,363 --> 03:24:58,699
have a robust feedback from our

6884
03:24:58,699 --> 03:24:59,633
businesses. I hope our

6885
03:24:59,633 --> 03:25:03,233
businesses step up to say what

6886
03:25:03,236 --> 03:25:05,872
it means to have 30,060 units

6887
03:25:05,872 --> 03:25:06,539
right next door or right behind

6888
03:25:06,539 --> 03:25:09,509
their buildings. The flats at

6889
03:25:09,509 --> 03:25:10,477
university was our first foray

6890
03:25:10,477 --> 03:25:12,345
into having housing in the

6891
03:25:12,345 --> 03:25:13,450
downtown, which is great, but

6892
03:25:13,450 --> 03:25:13,347
those students aren

6893
03:25:13,347 --> 03:25:15,347
t there 12

6894
03:25:16,183 --> 03:25:16,750
months out of the year. So our

6895
03:25:16,750 --> 03:25:17,751
summertime doesn

6896
03:25:17,751 --> 03:25:19,751
t look nearly

6897
03:25:20,860 --> 03:25:21,989
as active as our fall and our

6898
03:25:21,989 --> 03:25:23,924
spring, and so I hope our

6899
03:25:23,924 --> 03:25:26,760
businesses will come out to

6900
03:25:26,760 --> 03:25:29,161
talk about the, the economic

6901
03:25:29,161 --> 03:25:30,697
impact of having housing in

6902
03:25:30,697 --> 03:25:31,731
this location, we need to hear

6903
03:25:31,731 --> 03:25:33,633
from everyone, and I do think

6904
03:25:33,633 --> 03:25:35,868
that is why we have a public

6905
03:25:35,868 --> 03:25:36,536
hearing, and I do want to

6906
03:25:36,536 --> 03:25:36,737
acknowledge the fact that you

6907
03:25:36,737 --> 03:25:38,370
didn

6908
03:25:38,370 --> 03:25:39,600
t have to come back and

6909
03:25:39,600 --> 03:25:40,473
Give us another chance, but,

6910
03:25:40,473 --> 03:25:42,342
but you did and you

6911
03:25:42,342 --> 03:25:44,745
incorporated so much of what

6912
03:25:44,745 --> 03:25:46,679
you heard, including the people

6913
03:25:46,679 --> 03:25:46,847
from the the muse who said, I

6914
03:25:46,847 --> 03:25:48,214
don

6915
03:25:48,214 --> 03:25:51,417
t like the color. I, I

6916
03:25:51,417 --> 03:25:52,419
think you have, you have done

6917
03:25:52,419 --> 03:25:55,419
your best to negotiate what

6918
03:25:57,724 --> 03:25:59,159
works. Financially and from a

6919
03:25:59,159 --> 03:26:00,794
property ownership standpoint,

6920
03:26:00,794 --> 03:26:02,461
what works for combined

6921
03:26:02,461 --> 03:26:03,964
properties, again, I agree with

6922
03:26:03,964 --> 03:26:04,130
council member Hardy Chandler,

6923
03:26:04,130 --> 03:26:05,365
you

6924
03:26:05,365 --> 03:26:08,334
ve been deeply invested in

6925
03:26:08,334 --> 03:26:09,703
our city for 6 decades, and we

6926
03:26:09,703 --> 03:26:10,370
appreciate the fact that you

6927
03:26:10,370 --> 03:26:11,705
keep improving the properties

6928
03:26:11,705 --> 03:26:13,239
that you own here. It

6929
03:26:13,239 --> 03:26:14,541
s a long

6930
03:26:14,541 --> 03:26:15,542
term relationship, and I want

6931
03:26:15,542 --> 03:26:16,510
to acknowledge that we

6932
03:26:16,510 --> 03:26:16,910
appreciate all the work that

6933
03:26:16,910 --> 03:26:18,910
s

6934
03:26:19,379 --> 03:26:20,781
gone into this, and I do think

6935
03:26:20,781 --> 03:26:21,782
there is an opportunity through

6936
03:26:21,782 --> 03:26:22,749
public hearing for people to

6937
03:26:22,749 --> 03:26:25,180
come and give us more

6938
03:26:25,180 --> 03:26:27,186
information on this Project,

6939
03:26:27,186 --> 03:26:29,289
but I do like the project, I do,

6940
03:26:29,289 --> 03:26:32,458
I, I believe it is in the best

6941
03:26:32,458 --> 03:26:34,493
interest long term of the city

6942
03:26:34,493 --> 03:26:35,195
to redevelop this piece of

6943
03:26:35,195 --> 03:26:38,131
property so close to our

6944
03:26:38,131 --> 03:26:38,230
downtown. It is just It

6945
03:26:38,230 --> 03:26:39,532
s

6946
03:26:39,532 --> 03:26:40,968
something, something has to

6947
03:26:40,968 --> 03:26:42,502
happen there, so thank you so

6948
03:26:42,502 --> 03:26:43,270
much for the presentation and

6949
03:26:43,270 --> 03:26:46,870
we look forward to seeing you

6950
03:26:52,412 --> 03:26:54,480
again. MISS Shniberry? Ok, I

6951
03:26:54,480 --> 03:26:55,816
will now reconvene the regular

6952
03:26:55,816 --> 03:26:58,118
meeting and kick it over to our

6953
03:26:58,118 --> 03:27:00,518
city manager, MR. Alexander.

6954
03:27:00,554 --> 03:27:02,210
Thank you, Mayor and Council,

6955
03:27:02,210 --> 03:27:03,522
uh, as you know, uh, after this

6956
03:27:03,522 --> 03:27:03,924
meeting, he

6957
03:27:03,924 --> 03:27:06,893
ll take us into a

6958
03:27:06,893 --> 03:27:10,229
break. For a month and then we

6959
03:27:10,229 --> 03:27:11,764
will be back for a robust work

6960
03:27:11,764 --> 03:27:13,200
session on SEPTEMBER 1st

6961
03:27:13,200 --> 03:27:13,734
reminder that is scheduled to

6962
03:27:13,734 --> 03:27:15,680
start at 4 o

6963
03:27:15,680 --> 03:27:17,680
clock, you will

6964
03:27:17,803 --> 03:27:21,974
see a number of items on that

6965
03:27:21,974 --> 03:27:23,643
work session. Um, for a reason,

6966
03:27:23,643 --> 03:27:26,412
and we certainly wanted to try

6967
03:27:26,412 --> 03:27:29,783
to do as much Workshopping as

6968
03:27:29,783 --> 03:27:29,950
we can on those sessions, so

6969
03:27:29,950 --> 03:27:30,416
you

6970
03:27:30,416 --> 03:27:32,416
ll see pre-application

6971
03:27:34,721 --> 03:27:37,721
briefings, um. Listed there for,

6972
03:27:38,392 --> 03:27:40,392
uh, 3250 Blenheim. 10, 560 Main

6973
03:27:42,328 --> 03:27:44,728
Street. And 3570 Chain Bridge

6974
03:27:46,799 --> 03:27:50,203
Road. Uh, we will also bring

6975
03:27:50,203 --> 03:27:51,437
back citywide level of service,

6976
03:27:51,437 --> 03:27:54,174
uh, and dynamic capital impact

6977
03:27:54,174 --> 03:27:56,574
modeling for discussion. We

6978
03:27:58,780 --> 03:27:58,979
will, um, make a foray into our

6979
03:27:58,979 --> 03:28:01,140
legislative program, and then

6980
03:28:01,140 --> 03:28:01,448
we will have a discussion,

6981
03:28:01,448 --> 03:28:03,448
which you

6982
03:28:04,217 --> 03:28:05,218
ll see on consent

6983
03:28:05,218 --> 03:28:06,186
later regarding the

6984
03:28:06,186 --> 03:28:08,155
reappropriation of general

6985
03:28:08,155 --> 03:28:10,155
operating capital and

6986
03:28:10,924 --> 03:28:13,324
enterprise funds carrying over

6987
03:28:13,526 --> 03:28:13,727
to 2027 from 2026. So again,

6988
03:28:13,727 --> 03:28:15,727
that

6989
03:28:16,796 --> 03:28:19,796
ll be, uh, pretty Um,

6990
03:28:20,534 --> 03:28:23,470
robust work session on the 1st.

6991
03:28:23,470 --> 03:28:27,400
Looking ahead to the 8th. Uh,

6992
03:28:27,400 --> 03:28:27,741
on consent, you will see, uh,

6993
03:28:27,741 --> 03:28:29,741
construction contract for

6994
03:28:30,410 --> 03:28:32,411
University Drive bike lanes.

6995
03:28:32,411 --> 03:28:33,480
And the consideration of

6996
03:28:33,480 --> 03:28:36,480
resolution to cancel the vdot

6997
03:28:37,483 --> 03:28:38,852
project. Uh, listed there. And

6998
03:28:38,852 --> 03:28:39,180
then, um, as I mentioned,

6999
03:28:39,180 --> 03:28:40,721
you

7000
03:28:40,721 --> 03:28:41,621
ll see the introduction or

7001
03:28:41,621 --> 03:28:43,522
consideration of the resolution

7002
03:28:43,522 --> 03:28:44,925
for the reappropriation. That

7003
03:28:44,925 --> 03:28:47,427
would have been workshopped on

7004
03:28:47,427 --> 03:28:49,161
the meeting prior. Also items

7005
03:28:49,161 --> 03:28:50,731
not requiring a public hearing

7006
03:28:50,731 --> 03:28:53,200
will be the consideration of

7007
03:28:53,200 --> 03:28:56,800
adopting the code of ethics. On

7008
03:28:56,970 --> 03:28:59,970
the 8th. Looking ahead to

7009
03:29:00,207 --> 03:29:01,642
finishing out SEPTEMBER. Um,

7010
03:29:01,642 --> 03:29:03,442
public hearing and council

7011
03:29:03,442 --> 03:29:06,442
action on a redevelopment of

7012
03:29:09,416 --> 03:29:10,450
existing office. In 14

7013
03:29:10,450 --> 03:29:12,450
townhouses at Mantua 9495,

7014
03:29:12,819 --> 03:29:15,222
Silver King Court. And then if

7015
03:29:15,222 --> 03:29:16,857
needed, a public hearing. In

7016
03:29:16,857 --> 03:29:18,558
council action on the

7017
03:29:18,558 --> 03:29:20,558
resolution for reappropriation.

7018
03:29:21,280 --> 03:29:22,495
On that night, and that would

7019
03:29:22,495 --> 03:29:24,895
wrap up SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER

7020
03:29:25,197 --> 03:29:25,831
would be our second. Uh, work

7021
03:29:25,831 --> 03:29:28,231
session starting at 4 o

7022
03:29:28,268 --> 03:29:29,302
clock.

7023
03:29:29,302 --> 03:29:31,171
Happy dancer, any other

7024
03:29:31,171 --> 03:29:31,271
questions on items that we

7025
03:29:31,271 --> 03:29:31,872
ve

7026
03:29:31,872 --> 03:29:34,272
discussed or otherwise are

7027
03:29:34,741 --> 03:29:36,777
ahead of us. All right.

7028
03:29:36,777 --> 03:29:39,177
Questions on future? Uh,

7029
03:29:40,800 --> 03:29:42,800
COUNCILMAN Hall. Just 2

7030
03:29:43,884 --> 03:29:45,752
questions, I think, um. The

7031
03:29:45,752 --> 03:29:45,952
University Drive bike lanes.

7032
03:29:45,952 --> 03:29:46,553
That

7033
03:29:46,553 --> 03:29:48,755
s the same conversation we

7034
03:29:48,755 --> 03:29:51,124
just had a few minutes ago. Can

7035
03:29:51,124 --> 03:29:52,258
we get a refresher on that? Did

7036
03:29:52,258 --> 03:29:54,593
we see that as this counselor

7037
03:29:54,593 --> 03:29:56,596
or was that a previous council?

7038
03:29:56,596 --> 03:29:56,830
Am I just totally forgetting

7039
03:29:56,830 --> 03:29:58,310
that we

7040
03:29:58,310 --> 03:29:59,832
ve talked about it for

7041
03:29:59,832 --> 03:30:00,866
a while, I know, but did we do

7042
03:30:00,866 --> 03:30:01,468
a recent public hearing and all

7043
03:30:01,468 --> 03:30:01,802
those things. I mean, I

7044
03:30:01,802 --> 03:30:03,670
m sure

7045
03:30:03,670 --> 03:30:04,171
that was closed out a while ago

7046
03:30:04,171 --> 03:30:05,572
since we

7047
03:30:05,572 --> 03:30:07,541
re at the

7048
03:30:07,541 --> 03:30:07,641
consideration phase, but I

7049
03:30:07,641 --> 03:30:09,443
m

7050
03:30:09,443 --> 03:30:11,110
just really wondering and in

7051
03:30:11,110 --> 03:30:11,378
light of the 10-foot sidewalks

7052
03:30:11,378 --> 03:30:12,812
that they

7053
03:30:12,812 --> 03:30:14,214
re considering is

7054
03:30:14,214 --> 03:30:15,649
there maybe a better solution

7055
03:30:15,649 --> 03:30:16,183
to a shared-use path there.

7056
03:30:16,183 --> 03:30:16,783
Well, we

7057
03:30:16,783 --> 03:30:17,170
ll, what we

7058
03:30:17,170 --> 03:30:19,170
ll do is

7059
03:30:19,252 --> 03:30:21,652
come back with Information

7060
03:30:22,189 --> 03:30:23,123
generally about our plan. And

7061
03:30:23,123 --> 03:30:24,256
more information specifically

7062
03:30:24,256 --> 03:30:25,158
about this ahead of this

7063
03:30:25,158 --> 03:30:26,226
meeting, well ahead of this

7064
03:30:26,226 --> 03:30:27,590
meeting, so you have that

7065
03:30:27,590 --> 03:30:27,227
information, yeah, I mean, we

7066
03:30:27,227 --> 03:30:28,950
don

7067
03:30:28,950 --> 03:30:29,363
t really have a lot of time

7068
03:30:29,363 --> 03:30:29,929
because I know we have the

7069
03:30:29,929 --> 03:30:30,797
AUGUST recess. I

7070
03:30:30,797 --> 03:30:32,265
m certainly

7071
03:30:32,265 --> 03:30:34,665
open to receiving information

7072
03:30:35,401 --> 03:30:36,603
in AUGUST, um, but, ok, uh, and

7073
03:30:36,603 --> 03:30:38,538
I, I will also do my due

7074
03:30:38,538 --> 03:30:42,138
diligence and go back, um, and

7075
03:30:42,575 --> 03:30:43,577
try to check that out. Um My

7076
03:30:43,577 --> 03:30:44,430
second question and it

7077
03:30:44,430 --> 03:30:45,445
s just a

7078
03:30:45,445 --> 03:30:46,913
logistical one, is that we have

7079
03:30:46,913 --> 03:30:49,913
a meeting on OCTOBER 13th,

7080
03:30:50,751 --> 03:30:52,953
which I think is the final day

7081
03:30:52,953 --> 03:30:54,554
of the vml conference. Are we?

7082
03:30:54,554 --> 03:30:56,356
Is it, is there any actual

7083
03:30:56,356 --> 03:30:56,523
conference that day and then

7084
03:30:56,523 --> 03:30:57,324
we

7085
03:30:57,324 --> 03:30:57,758
re coming home or it

7086
03:30:57,758 --> 03:30:59,758
s only

7087
03:31:00,160 --> 03:31:01,193
half day, so they wrap up about

7088
03:31:01,193 --> 03:31:03,363
noon that day, so we should be

7089
03:31:03,363 --> 03:31:07,563
home in time for a meeting, ok,

7090
03:31:08,267 --> 03:31:09,369
perfect, thank you. Council

7091
03:31:09,369 --> 03:31:11,138
member Amos follow-up question

7092
03:31:11,138 --> 03:31:12,572
for SEPTEMBER 22nd, the

7093
03:31:12,572 --> 03:31:12,706
Highlands of Mentua Project. If

7094
03:31:12,706 --> 03:31:13,540
I

7095
03:31:13,540 --> 03:31:15,474
m remembering that cor that

7096
03:31:15,474 --> 03:31:15,709
correctly, I remember, oh gosh,

7097
03:31:15,709 --> 03:31:17,709
I don

7098
03:31:17,844 --> 03:31:19,780
t know if that was a

7099
03:31:19,780 --> 03:31:21,140
pre-application that we did or

7100
03:31:21,140 --> 03:31:22,649
was it a post submission, I

7101
03:31:22,649 --> 03:31:23,916
mean, I think that was last

7102
03:31:23,916 --> 03:31:24,116
year if I recall correctly, and

7103
03:31:24,116 --> 03:31:26,530
that

7104
03:31:26,530 --> 03:31:27,486
s the one where we had the

7105
03:31:27,486 --> 03:31:28,455
conversation about whether to

7106
03:31:28,455 --> 03:31:29,790
keep the tree landscaping there

7107
03:31:29,790 --> 03:31:34,590
or they wanted to put in a park,

7108
03:31:34,895 --> 03:31:37,431
if I recall. Yes, I believe you

7109
03:31:37,431 --> 03:31:39,699
are correct, um, that, uh,

7110
03:31:39,699 --> 03:31:42,102
application has now gone to the

7111
03:31:42,102 --> 03:31:44,400
planning commission, um. There

7112
03:31:44,400 --> 03:31:46,906
will be a communication to each

7113
03:31:46,906 --> 03:31:48,108
of the members of council and

7114
03:31:48,108 --> 03:31:50,508
the mayor for individual

7115
03:31:50,744 --> 03:31:52,878
meetings to give you an update

7116
03:31:52,878 --> 03:31:54,810
on that project from the

7117
03:31:54,810 --> 03:31:55,182
development team and then any

7118
03:31:55,182 --> 03:31:57,451
questions you MAY have. Thank

7119
03:31:57,451 --> 03:31:57,617
you, just because it feels like

7120
03:31:57,617 --> 03:31:58,919
it

7121
03:31:58,919 --> 03:32:00,186
s been a pretty significant

7122
03:32:00,186 --> 03:32:01,321
gap in time between when we

7123
03:32:01,321 --> 03:32:02,889
spoke with them. I, again, I

7124
03:32:02,889 --> 03:32:04,758
think it was last year, uh,

7125
03:32:04,758 --> 03:32:05,559
versus, uh, this coming up in

7126
03:32:05,559 --> 03:32:08,559
SEPTEMBER. So thank you. Yes,

7127
03:32:09,997 --> 03:32:12,397
sir. Other questions, Council

7128
03:32:12,499 --> 03:32:14,501
memberer Hall? So, are we gonna

7129
03:32:14,501 --> 03:32:15,935
talk about the buck slip at

7130
03:32:15,935 --> 03:32:17,437
another time or is this the

7131
03:32:17,437 --> 03:32:18,738
right time? We can, I had it on

7132
03:32:18,738 --> 03:32:19,472
the report out so I can kill

7133
03:32:19,472 --> 03:32:19,673
birds we can talk about it then,

7134
03:32:19,673 --> 03:32:20,307
that

7135
03:32:20,307 --> 03:32:20,407
s fine. Thank you. That

7136
03:32:20,407 --> 03:32:22,407
s

7137
03:32:25,178 --> 03:32:27,578
fine. Council member Peterson.

7138
03:32:28,981 --> 03:32:30,917
Can you, uh, clarify this the

7139
03:32:30,917 --> 03:32:33,854
purpose and scope of the

7140
03:32:33,854 --> 03:32:36,854
citywide level of service and

7141
03:32:37,560 --> 03:32:38,910
dynamic capital impact model. I

7142
03:32:38,910 --> 03:32:40,793
want to set expectations for

7143
03:32:40,793 --> 03:32:44,970
what we will be receiving, what

7144
03:32:44,970 --> 03:32:45,731
is the actual purpose and

7145
03:32:45,731 --> 03:32:47,501
Substantive application of that

7146
03:32:47,501 --> 03:32:49,369
we previously, I think,

7147
03:32:49,369 --> 03:32:49,870
presented in a work session to

7148
03:32:49,870 --> 03:32:50,803
counsel, but I

7149
03:32:50,803 --> 03:32:51,672
ll go to the

7150
03:32:51,672 --> 03:32:55,272
bullpen and ask Brooke to come

7151
03:32:57,678 --> 03:33:00,790
up again. And this would be an

7152
03:33:00,790 --> 03:33:00,714
update to that previous work

7153
03:33:00,714 --> 03:33:03,114
session that council held,

7154
03:33:03,917 --> 03:33:06,917
which was more of an

7155
03:33:07,353 --> 03:33:10,156
introduction to the project and,

7156
03:33:10,156 --> 03:33:11,625
um, a review of what the effort

7157
03:33:11,625 --> 03:33:13,930
would be undertaking and, and

7158
03:33:13,930 --> 03:33:14,995
what factors will be analyzed

7159
03:33:14,995 --> 03:33:19,195
as part of, part of the project.

7160
03:33:19,333 --> 03:33:22,350
This is to come back and share

7161
03:33:22,350 --> 03:33:23,936
results of that analysis, um.

7162
03:33:23,936 --> 03:33:26,940
It would not be a moment where

7163
03:33:26,940 --> 03:33:29,940
we would ask for counsel

7164
03:33:32,245 --> 03:33:33,547
approval, um, in terms of, um,

7165
03:33:33,547 --> 03:33:35,448
considering proffer, uh, policy

7166
03:33:35,448 --> 03:33:36,683
or anything of that nature, we

7167
03:33:36,683 --> 03:33:39,830
would anticipate that based

7168
03:33:39,286 --> 03:33:41,221
upon this discussion. The

7169
03:33:41,221 --> 03:33:43,155
council would give staff

7170
03:33:43,155 --> 03:33:43,723
feedback on those results and

7171
03:33:43,723 --> 03:33:45,525
whether there

7172
03:33:45,525 --> 03:33:46,960
s a desire to, to

7173
03:33:46,960 --> 03:33:49,360
move forward with considering

7174
03:33:49,496 --> 03:33:52,366
policies in terms of level of

7175
03:33:52,366 --> 03:33:54,568
impact to various, um, um, uh,

7176
03:33:54,568 --> 03:33:56,637
city infrastructure. And so

7177
03:33:56,637 --> 03:33:57,938
that would be a future

7178
03:33:57,938 --> 03:33:59,372
discussion, and so this will be

7179
03:33:59,372 --> 03:34:01,908
to share the results to give a

7180
03:34:01,908 --> 03:34:04,244
sense of what those impacts are,

7181
03:34:04,244 --> 03:34:04,977
how those numbers calculate. Um,

7182
03:34:04,977 --> 03:34:05,745
and whether there

7183
03:34:05,745 --> 03:34:07,613
s a desire to

7184
03:34:07,613 --> 03:34:09,490
continue to move forward to

7185
03:34:09,490 --> 03:34:10,449
look at policies that would be

7186
03:34:10,449 --> 03:34:10,751
part of the city

7187
03:34:10,751 --> 03:34:12,751
s development

7188
03:34:14,721 --> 03:34:17,121
review process. Let me

7189
03:34:17,124 --> 03:34:19,525
understand if I might, um, a

7190
03:34:19,525 --> 03:34:22,928
little bit more clearly, it is

7191
03:34:22,928 --> 03:34:24,230
this, um, providing Guidance

7192
03:34:24,230 --> 03:34:27,230
and benchmarks, uh, related to

7193
03:34:29,569 --> 03:34:31,969
proffers. Potentially. Ok. So

7194
03:34:33,272 --> 03:34:35,672
potentially that is this.

7195
03:34:37,678 --> 03:34:39,579
Designed to be a Regulatory

7196
03:34:39,579 --> 03:34:42,579
impact or public policy impact,

7197
03:34:45,451 --> 03:34:46,419
um, assessment tool. It is a

7198
03:34:46,419 --> 03:34:48,419
development impact assessment

7199
03:34:49,289 --> 03:34:52,559
tool, and so the team has

7200
03:34:52,559 --> 03:34:54,959
analyzed what, um, expenditures

7201
03:34:55,195 --> 03:34:56,280
are associated with, um,

7202
03:34:56,280 --> 03:34:58,280
development proposals, what

7203
03:34:58,598 --> 03:35:01,702
that means in terms of the city

7204
03:35:01,702 --> 03:35:04,102
infrastructure, um, and Whether

7205
03:35:04,604 --> 03:35:06,600
or not there are, um, you know,

7206
03:35:06,600 --> 03:35:08,406
what those financial impacts

7207
03:35:08,909 --> 03:35:10,811
are, and so a level of service

7208
03:35:10,811 --> 03:35:13,811
study would, would provide to

7209
03:35:17,149 --> 03:35:18,585
the city, um, on a, um, per, uh,

7210
03:35:18,585 --> 03:35:20,985
project basis what those

7211
03:35:21,421 --> 03:35:23,889
impacts would be to things like

7212
03:35:23,889 --> 03:35:26,289
Parks and Recreation facilities,

7213
03:35:26,426 --> 03:35:28,426
school facilities, um,

7214
03:35:28,694 --> 03:35:29,395
transportation infrastructure,

7215
03:35:29,395 --> 03:35:31,395
public safety, infrastructure,

7216
03:35:31,697 --> 03:35:34,697
and that analysis Good guide

7217
03:35:35,335 --> 03:35:37,837
the city toward. A proffer

7218
03:35:37,837 --> 03:35:40,107
policy for all of those items,

7219
03:35:40,107 --> 03:35:41,541
you know, what, what the

7220
03:35:41,541 --> 03:35:42,908
approach has been to this point

7221
03:35:42,908 --> 03:35:45,444
has been those have been

7222
03:35:45,444 --> 03:35:47,214
negotiated on a case by case

7223
03:35:47,214 --> 03:35:48,248
basis, um, and not to get too

7224
03:35:48,248 --> 03:35:48,682
deep into the proffer thing, I

7225
03:35:48,682 --> 03:35:49,816
think we

7226
03:35:49,816 --> 03:35:51,551
ve talked a little bit

7227
03:35:51,551 --> 03:35:53,987
about that before, but the

7228
03:35:53,987 --> 03:35:55,422
Commonwealth of Virginia in

7229
03:35:55,422 --> 03:35:58,292
2016 rewrote the rules in the

7230
03:35:58,292 --> 03:35:59,926
state for proffers, which

7231
03:35:59,926 --> 03:36:01,926
severely limited localities

7232
03:36:01,927 --> 03:36:02,562
ability to negotiate for

7233
03:36:02,562 --> 03:36:02,663
proffers since that time, we

7234
03:36:02,663 --> 03:36:04,663
ve

7235
03:36:05,197 --> 03:36:07,233
instituted some measures that

7236
03:36:07,233 --> 03:36:10,360
have given us a little bit more

7237
03:36:10,360 --> 03:36:10,203
flexibility to do that, and so

7238
03:36:10,203 --> 03:36:12,203
we

7239
03:36:12,905 --> 03:36:14,841
ve seen, um, the potential

7240
03:36:14,841 --> 03:36:16,910
for for proffers to be offered,

7241
03:36:16,910 --> 03:36:18,645
particularly in our activity

7242
03:36:18,645 --> 03:36:20,800
centers because the code of

7243
03:36:20,800 --> 03:36:21,648
Virginia carves out special

7244
03:36:21,648 --> 03:36:23,683
provisions for areas covered by

7245
03:36:23,683 --> 03:36:25,951
small area plans, and so that

7246
03:36:25,951 --> 03:36:27,530
gives us some more ability to

7247
03:36:27,530 --> 03:36:30,530
negotiate these things, what we

7248
03:36:30,389 --> 03:36:31,992
would like to do is be a little

7249
03:36:31,992 --> 03:36:32,559
bit more systematic in how we

7250
03:36:32,559 --> 03:36:34,728
do that, um, and so it

7251
03:36:34,728 --> 03:36:35,762
s Not an

7252
03:36:35,762 --> 03:36:36,662
unknown to the council, it

7253
03:36:36,662 --> 03:36:38,662
s

7254
03:36:39,650 --> 03:36:40,967
not an unknown to a property

7255
03:36:40,967 --> 03:36:42,435
owner or developer coming in as

7256
03:36:42,435 --> 03:36:44,805
to what those expectations are,

7257
03:36:44,805 --> 03:36:46,740
but that will be totally at the

7258
03:36:46,740 --> 03:36:49,142
discretion of the council. This

7259
03:36:49,142 --> 03:36:51,780
first discussion is to merely

7260
03:36:51,780 --> 03:36:52,450
share the results of that

7261
03:36:52,450 --> 03:36:53,714
analysis if the direction from

7262
03:36:53,714 --> 03:36:55,881
the council from that point

7263
03:36:55,881 --> 03:36:58,284
forward is yes, staff, we would

7264
03:36:58,284 --> 03:36:59,190
like you to, to look at

7265
03:36:59,190 --> 03:37:00,687
creating some policies that

7266
03:37:00,687 --> 03:37:02,550
again could come back to the

7267
03:37:02,550 --> 03:37:02,254
council and we consider whether

7268
03:37:02,254 --> 03:37:02,688
that

7269
03:37:02,688 --> 03:37:04,858
s something that the

7270
03:37:04,858 --> 03:37:04,958
council wants. To adopt. That

7271
03:37:04,958 --> 03:37:05,192
s

7272
03:37:05,192 --> 03:37:07,192
what we

7273
03:37:07,628 --> 03:37:10,290
ll do. Is this an

7274
03:37:10,290 --> 03:37:10,897
accounting tool? So that we

7275
03:37:10,897 --> 03:37:11,530
know when we

7276
03:37:11,530 --> 03:37:13,266
re looking at a

7277
03:37:13,266 --> 03:37:16,266
project, uh, from an accounting

7278
03:37:17,771 --> 03:37:19,139
standpoint. What the outlays Uh,

7279
03:37:19,139 --> 03:37:20,390
outlays and expenditures are

7280
03:37:20,390 --> 03:37:23,390
for a particular decision we

7281
03:37:23,542 --> 03:37:24,411
make, is that Correct

7282
03:37:24,411 --> 03:37:25,379
Accounting on who

7283
03:37:25,379 --> 03:37:26,747
s on whose

7284
03:37:26,747 --> 03:37:28,181
books I mean, services and

7285
03:37:28,181 --> 03:37:29,249
infrastructure from an

7286
03:37:29,249 --> 03:37:31,151
accounting standpoint, the

7287
03:37:31,151 --> 03:37:32,486
public accounting standpoint,

7288
03:37:32,486 --> 03:37:33,219
what are we spending as a

7289
03:37:33,219 --> 03:37:34,888
consequence of a decision on

7290
03:37:34,888 --> 03:37:36,323
the development. Is that the

7291
03:37:36,323 --> 03:37:37,391
question this is answering? Not,

7292
03:37:37,391 --> 03:37:37,791
not necessarily. That

7293
03:37:37,791 --> 03:37:39,791
s

7294
03:37:40,694 --> 03:37:42,663
something that. So the city

7295
03:37:42,663 --> 03:37:44,531
does a fiscal impact analysis

7296
03:37:44,531 --> 03:37:45,966
analysis for each one of the

7297
03:37:45,966 --> 03:37:47,401
significant projects that come

7298
03:37:47,401 --> 03:37:47,601
forward to the council, and

7299
03:37:47,601 --> 03:37:48,568
that

7300
03:37:48,568 --> 03:37:50,170
s part of your staff

7301
03:37:50,170 --> 03:37:53,906
report that you see at a, at a

7302
03:37:53,906 --> 03:37:56,243
public hearing that accounts

7303
03:37:56,243 --> 03:37:57,209
For anticipated revenues and

7304
03:37:57,209 --> 03:37:59,209
expenditures for any

7305
03:37:59,211 --> 03:37:59,479
development, um, and looking at

7306
03:37:59,479 --> 03:38:00,681
the city

7307
03:38:00,681 --> 03:38:02,482
s budget and what

7308
03:38:02,482 --> 03:38:04,117
those costs are to the city and

7309
03:38:04,117 --> 03:38:05,851
then in terms of the

7310
03:38:05,851 --> 03:38:07,540
development proposal, what

7311
03:38:07,540 --> 03:38:07,954
revenues that, that we

7312
03:38:07,954 --> 03:38:08,287
anticipate coming in. So that

7313
03:38:08,287 --> 03:38:10,287
s

7314
03:38:13,226 --> 03:38:16,563
a part of what we do today, um,

7315
03:38:16,563 --> 03:38:19,365
and that looks at city costs

7316
03:38:19,365 --> 03:38:20,400
kind of across, um, you know,

7317
03:38:20,400 --> 03:38:23,400
across the entirety of the

7318
03:38:24,371 --> 03:38:26,372
budget, the Level of service

7319
03:38:26,372 --> 03:38:27,974
would look at physical impacts,

7320
03:38:27,974 --> 03:38:30,109
we look at infrastructure

7321
03:38:30,109 --> 03:38:31,440
impacts, things that the city

7322
03:38:31,440 --> 03:38:32,790
can potentially get proffers

7323
03:38:32,790 --> 03:38:32,511
for so they can

7324
03:38:32,511 --> 03:38:34,511
t get proffers

7325
03:38:35,615 --> 03:38:38,150
for operational. Costs the

7326
03:38:38,986 --> 03:38:40,200
localities can get proffers for

7327
03:38:40,200 --> 03:38:41,321
physical infrastructure and

7328
03:38:41,321 --> 03:38:43,523
expansion of capacity of

7329
03:38:43,523 --> 03:38:44,424
physical infrastructure. That

7330
03:38:44,424 --> 03:38:46,580
s

7331
03:38:46,580 --> 03:38:46,258
associated with the development

7332
03:38:46,258 --> 03:38:47,327
that

7333
03:38:47,327 --> 03:38:48,862
s being proposed, and so

7334
03:38:48,862 --> 03:38:51,130
the level of services looks

7335
03:38:51,130 --> 03:38:52,165
more at the, at the

7336
03:38:52,165 --> 03:38:54,166
infrastructure side of the

7337
03:38:54,166 --> 03:38:55,469
equation, not, not so much the

7338
03:38:55,469 --> 03:38:57,400
overall fiscal impact, but that

7339
03:38:57,400 --> 03:38:59,773
is part of what the council

7340
03:38:59,773 --> 03:39:01,707
receives as well. Is this

7341
03:39:01,707 --> 03:39:04,578
somewhere where it already is

7342
03:39:04,578 --> 03:39:06,979
scoped and we can look at its

7343
03:39:06,979 --> 03:39:07,147
current status in terms of what

7344
03:39:07,147 --> 03:39:08,480
it

7345
03:39:08,480 --> 03:39:08,982
s covering is there

7346
03:39:08,982 --> 03:39:10,317
something that you know I could

7347
03:39:10,317 --> 03:39:12,251
read, for instance, or anybody

7348
03:39:12,251 --> 03:39:15,851
else could read about the, the

7349
03:39:17,791 --> 03:39:20,693
scope of this, we Uh, the, the

7350
03:39:20,693 --> 03:39:22,290
materials that, that we brought

7351
03:39:22,290 --> 03:39:22,194
forward previously. Uh, we

7352
03:39:22,194 --> 03:39:23,300
don

7353
03:39:23,300 --> 03:39:25,364
t have necessarily have the

7354
03:39:25,364 --> 03:39:27,301
materials that will be

7355
03:39:27,301 --> 03:39:28,402
presented in SEPTEMBER ready to,

7356
03:39:28,402 --> 03:39:28,734
to bring forward yet, but we

7357
03:39:28,734 --> 03:39:29,350
ll

7358
03:39:29,350 --> 03:39:29,770
share, we

7359
03:39:29,770 --> 03:39:30,103
ll share those as

7360
03:39:30,103 --> 03:39:31,772
soon as they

7361
03:39:31,772 --> 03:39:32,739
re available. As

7362
03:39:32,739 --> 03:39:33,500
well, well, that

7363
03:39:33,500 --> 03:39:34,607
d be real

7364
03:39:34,607 --> 03:39:36,176
helpful. I mean, I think the

7365
03:39:36,176 --> 03:39:38,879
general thing is on, uh,

7366
03:39:38,879 --> 03:39:40,480
FEBRUARY 14th, I think, uh, we

7367
03:39:40,480 --> 03:39:40,981
had a discussion about

7368
03:39:40,981 --> 03:39:42,415
development land use

7369
03:39:42,415 --> 03:39:43,717
applications and the city

7370
03:39:43,717 --> 03:39:46,717
manager listed out a whole

7371
03:39:51,458 --> 03:39:53,860
series of Um, impacts. That

7372
03:39:53,860 --> 03:39:56,260
could and typically are

7373
03:39:56,296 --> 03:39:57,698
included in assessments of the,

7374
03:39:57,698 --> 03:40:00,100
um, full suite of impacts

7375
03:40:00,100 --> 03:40:01,768
associated with the development

7376
03:40:01,768 --> 03:40:02,969
or land use application, safety,

7377
03:40:02,969 --> 03:40:06,373
crime risk, you name it, right

7378
03:40:06,373 --> 03:40:08,308
down the list here. And that

7379
03:40:08,308 --> 03:40:08,475
sounds like that, um, you know,

7380
03:40:08,475 --> 03:40:10,110
it

7381
03:40:10,110 --> 03:40:13,110
s a set of socioeconomic

7382
03:40:15,480 --> 03:40:15,649
impacts. Public, public impacts

7383
03:40:15,649 --> 03:40:16,830
here, that

7384
03:40:16,830 --> 03:40:18,483
s this would provide.

7385
03:40:21,454 --> 03:40:23,123
Only the fiscal dimensions of

7386
03:40:23,123 --> 03:40:24,123
that with respect to services

7387
03:40:24,123 --> 03:40:24,224
and infrastructure, but it

7388
03:40:24,224 --> 03:40:26,224
s

7389
03:40:26,726 --> 03:40:29,630
not, this is really not what

7390
03:40:29,630 --> 03:40:31,365
impact um. Are we able to

7391
03:40:31,365 --> 03:40:33,834
determine in terms of the

7392
03:40:33,834 --> 03:40:34,968
effect of these decisions on

7393
03:40:34,968 --> 03:40:36,670
elevated crime risk and the

7394
03:40:36,670 --> 03:40:38,205
response that we will have to,

7395
03:40:38,205 --> 03:40:41,141
you know, uh, engineer in terms

7396
03:40:41,141 --> 03:40:42,942
of that, things like that. Is

7397
03:40:42,942 --> 03:40:43,476
that a fair understanding? Ok,

7398
03:40:43,476 --> 03:40:44,378
so there

7399
03:40:44,378 --> 03:40:46,780
s a broader piece of

7400
03:40:46,780 --> 03:40:48,882
this that this really is not

7401
03:40:48,882 --> 03:40:51,118
looking at, um, I, I would like

7402
03:40:51,118 --> 03:40:51,318
to see if I might, and I

7403
03:40:51,318 --> 03:40:52,219
m sure

7404
03:40:52,219 --> 03:40:54,488
everybody would, what that is

7405
03:40:54,488 --> 03:40:56,722
because I think there is a

7406
03:40:56,722 --> 03:40:59,459
broader question mark about how

7407
03:40:59,459 --> 03:41:01,360
we assess, um, from a public.

7408
03:41:01,360 --> 03:41:02,829
Inter standpoint, um, the

7409
03:41:02,829 --> 03:41:04,731
impacts and the opportunities

7410
03:41:04,731 --> 03:41:05,799
associated with these decisions

7411
03:41:05,799 --> 03:41:08,101
we make and it would be great

7412
03:41:08,101 --> 03:41:09,636
for that to be as inclusive as

7413
03:41:09,636 --> 03:41:11,538
possible, so I think we send

7414
03:41:11,538 --> 03:41:13,473
you what we have up to this

7415
03:41:13,473 --> 03:41:15,341
point that also say at this

7416
03:41:15,341 --> 03:41:16,810
point also that will offer each

7417
03:41:16,810 --> 03:41:17,777
of you an opportunity to have a

7418
03:41:17,777 --> 03:41:19,645
conversation with the head of

7419
03:41:19,645 --> 03:41:21,147
the work session, which will

7420
03:41:21,147 --> 03:41:22,282
benefit the conversation at the

7421
03:41:22,282 --> 03:41:24,450
morgue session that, that would

7422
03:41:24,450 --> 03:41:26,190
be great, and it would be great

7423
03:41:26,190 --> 03:41:27,870
if there could be with respect

7424
03:41:27,870 --> 03:41:29,623
to the fiscal impact analysis

7425
03:41:29,623 --> 03:41:31,557
that we do now. Um, a little

7426
03:41:31,557 --> 03:41:31,757
bit of transparency in terms of

7427
03:41:31,757 --> 03:41:32,892
what

7428
03:41:32,892 --> 03:41:35,892
s actually in that. I

7429
03:41:37,197 --> 03:41:40,200
would love to see that. Thanks.

7430
03:41:40,200 --> 03:41:43,200
Any other questions or comments

7431
03:41:43,669 --> 03:41:45,739
on the future meeting topics.

7432
03:41:45,739 --> 03:41:46,720
Saying none, we will go to the,

7433
03:41:46,720 --> 03:41:47,641
the manager

7434
03:41:47,641 --> 03:41:50,410
s report out. Thank

7435
03:41:50,644 --> 03:41:51,645
you, Mayor and Council, um, as

7436
03:41:51,645 --> 03:41:54,645
was mentioned earlier, we did

7437
03:41:56,950 --> 03:41:57,284
send you This morning a, what

7438
03:41:57,284 --> 03:41:58,752
s

7439
03:41:58,752 --> 03:41:59,819
called in buckslip,

7440
03:41:59,819 --> 03:41:59,987
Informational item Buck because

7441
03:41:59,987 --> 03:42:01,987
it

7442
03:42:02,656 --> 03:42:04,490
s the size of a dollar that

7443
03:42:04,490 --> 03:42:05,692
we would like to maybe include

7444
03:42:05,692 --> 03:42:07,927
in the personal property tax

7445
03:42:07,927 --> 03:42:08,995
bills that will be mailed out

7446
03:42:08,995 --> 03:42:11,732
in SEPTEMBER, the idea is to

7447
03:42:11,732 --> 03:42:13,232
give us some more transparency

7448
03:42:13,232 --> 03:42:15,102
and information on how our

7449
03:42:15,102 --> 03:42:17,370
general fund dollars are spent

7450
03:42:17,370 --> 03:42:18,605
and investments are made both

7451
03:42:18,605 --> 03:42:21,341
in operating and capital, uh,

7452
03:42:21,341 --> 03:42:22,410
we provided you an example in

7453
03:42:22,410 --> 03:42:24,878
the the timeliness issue really

7454
03:42:24,878 --> 03:42:25,145
is one of I know the

7455
03:42:25,145 --> 03:42:25,845
treasurer

7456
03:42:25,845 --> 03:42:28,245
s office wanted to

7457
03:42:28,281 --> 03:42:29,683
know we had consensus from

7458
03:42:29,683 --> 03:42:31,718
council before we coordinated

7459
03:42:31,718 --> 03:42:33,686
with them, um, in order to, to

7460
03:42:33,686 --> 03:42:35,880
push that out, and so this is

7461
03:42:35,880 --> 03:42:36,623
an opportunity to get some

7462
03:42:36,623 --> 03:42:38,825
feedback from you on that item

7463
03:42:38,825 --> 03:42:40,761
so that we can quickly turn it

7464
03:42:40,761 --> 03:42:42,696
around, um, and, and again

7465
03:42:42,696 --> 03:42:45,299
coordinate, uh, the process of

7466
03:42:45,299 --> 03:42:47,567
getting that out to, um, our

7467
03:42:47,567 --> 03:42:48,502
residents, so happy to take any

7468
03:42:48,502 --> 03:42:49,970
feedback from you on what you

7469
03:42:49,970 --> 03:42:50,870
saw and what you might want to

7470
03:42:50,870 --> 03:42:51,380
see out of that understanding,

7471
03:42:51,380 --> 03:42:51,370
it

7472
03:42:51,370 --> 03:42:53,370
s, it

7473
03:42:54,408 --> 03:42:55,408
s just big, so.

7474
03:42:55,408 --> 03:42:57,110
Council member Hall and then

7475
03:42:57,110 --> 03:42:58,110
council member Hardy Chandler.

7476
03:42:58,110 --> 03:42:58,312
Thank you, I know I

7477
03:42:58,312 --> 03:43:00,130
ve been

7478
03:43:00,130 --> 03:43:01,470
asking for this for a while and

7479
03:43:01,470 --> 03:43:01,581
I think actually with the

7480
03:43:01,581 --> 03:43:02,416
interim, so I

7481
03:43:02,416 --> 03:43:04,318
m really, really

7482
03:43:04,318 --> 03:43:06,252
happy to see that this is

7483
03:43:06,252 --> 03:43:08,187
moving forward. Um, I really

7484
03:43:08,187 --> 03:43:09,389
just have 2 suggestions. 1 is

7485
03:43:09,389 --> 03:43:13,327
maybe just add a thank you for

7486
03:43:13,327 --> 03:43:14,794
paying your taxes. Um, and also

7487
03:43:14,794 --> 03:43:15,127
on the backside of it, there

7488
03:43:15,127 --> 03:43:16,463
s

7489
03:43:16,463 --> 03:43:20,000
an area on the bottom right

7490
03:43:20,000 --> 03:43:20,734
where It had a, the percentages

7491
03:43:20,734 --> 03:43:24,334
of certain things and there was

7492
03:43:24,538 --> 03:43:24,671
a, a bit of a Are available.

7493
03:43:24,671 --> 03:43:26,440
I

7494
03:43:26,440 --> 03:43:28,809
m wondering if maybe we could

7495
03:43:28,809 --> 03:43:31,678
add a qr code that would direct

7496
03:43:31,678 --> 03:43:32,412
people to the fiscal year 2027

7497
03:43:32,412 --> 03:43:32,612
budget and just say, you know,

7498
03:43:32,612 --> 03:43:33,647
here

7499
03:43:33,647 --> 03:43:34,681
s Here

7500
03:43:34,681 --> 03:43:36,649
s a link to this,

7501
03:43:36,649 --> 03:43:36,817
um. Hopefully that won

7502
03:43:36,817 --> 03:43:38,817
t add

7503
03:43:38,884 --> 03:43:40,620
too much. Extra effort, but

7504
03:43:40,620 --> 03:43:42,389
that was just my suggestion to,

7505
03:43:42,389 --> 03:43:42,556
you know, kind of, here

7506
03:43:42,556 --> 03:43:43,690
s the

7507
03:43:43,690 --> 03:43:44,424
basic information, and then if

7508
03:43:44,424 --> 03:43:45,257
you want more information, here

7509
03:43:45,257 --> 03:43:49,457
it is. Nice, easy e, ready to

7510
03:43:50,564 --> 03:43:52,199
go. Thank you. Council member

7511
03:43:52,199 --> 03:43:53,000
Hardy Chandler, I think I

7512
03:43:53,000 --> 03:43:55,400
responded that I absolutely

7513
03:43:56,503 --> 03:43:57,638
support this. I think, um, the

7514
03:43:57,638 --> 03:43:57,970
visual helps people understand

7515
03:43:57,970 --> 03:43:58,905
that it

7516
03:43:58,905 --> 03:44:00,907
s not going into a

7517
03:44:00,907 --> 03:44:01,942
black hole, it really is going

7518
03:44:01,942 --> 03:44:03,710
to services and how those

7519
03:44:03,710 --> 03:44:03,810
services are divided. So I

7520
03:44:03,810 --> 03:44:05,645
d

7521
03:44:05,645 --> 03:44:07,800
absolutely support that. Is

7522
03:44:07,800 --> 03:44:09,483
there any question of the cost

7523
03:44:09,483 --> 03:44:11,418
of adding that to the mailing

7524
03:44:11,418 --> 03:44:13,320
of the bills, just minuscule

7525
03:44:13,320 --> 03:44:14,821
that we got consensus from

7526
03:44:14,821 --> 03:44:16,222
counsel before you approach the

7527
03:44:16,222 --> 03:44:17,156
treasurer again on, on this

7528
03:44:17,156 --> 03:44:17,256
process. Well, I, I think it

7529
03:44:17,256 --> 03:44:19,256
ll

7530
03:44:19,425 --> 03:44:20,459
be very beneficial. To all of

7531
03:44:20,459 --> 03:44:23,162
the residents of the city. So

7532
03:44:23,162 --> 03:44:26,162
thank you very much. Council

7533
03:44:27,990 --> 03:44:28,735
member McQuillan. Yeah, I love

7534
03:44:28,735 --> 03:44:29,335
this idea ever since, uh,

7535
03:44:29,335 --> 03:44:30,536
COUNCILMAN Hall brought it

7536
03:44:30,536 --> 03:44:34,136
forth. I think this is great.

7537
03:44:34,206 --> 03:44:35,309
Thank you so much. Any other

7538
03:44:35,309 --> 03:44:37,309
feedback, Council member

7539
03:44:38,978 --> 03:44:40,447
Peterson? Well, I think this a

7540
03:44:40,447 --> 03:44:41,148
separate thing that it kind of

7541
03:44:41,148 --> 03:44:41,381
gets to the last conversation,

7542
03:44:41,381 --> 03:44:42,348
but it

7543
03:44:42,348 --> 03:44:44,718
d be great to kind of

7544
03:44:44,718 --> 03:44:45,385
boil this down to a

7545
03:44:45,385 --> 03:44:47,654
communications format is every

7546
03:44:47,654 --> 03:44:49,880
time we make a decision here,

7547
03:44:49,880 --> 03:44:52,688
it has, well, not every time,

7548
03:44:53,927 --> 03:44:55,228
but very often it has, uh, out

7549
03:44:55,228 --> 03:44:56,763
of pocket expense implications

7550
03:44:56,763 --> 03:44:57,764
on residents and I like to use

7551
03:44:57,764 --> 03:44:58,532
the term neighborhood math,

7552
03:44:58,532 --> 03:44:58,999
people need to understand if

7553
03:44:58,999 --> 03:44:59,633
you do this, what

7554
03:44:59,633 --> 03:45:01,633
s coming out

7555
03:45:02,569 --> 03:45:04,771
of my back pocket next year.

7556
03:45:04,771 --> 03:45:08,971
And, um, it would be great to

7557
03:45:10,744 --> 03:45:11,744
be Regular about lifting that

7558
03:45:11,744 --> 03:45:13,146
information out of the

7559
03:45:13,146 --> 03:45:15,247
decisions we make so that

7560
03:45:15,247 --> 03:45:16,483
people who are tuning in, uh,

7561
03:45:16,483 --> 03:45:17,684
can know and we need to invite

7562
03:45:17,684 --> 03:45:18,484
other people to tune into that,

7563
03:45:18,484 --> 03:45:19,452
so I, I don

7564
03:45:19,452 --> 03:45:20,854
t think this is

7565
03:45:20,854 --> 03:45:21,153
exactly the same thing, but I

7566
03:45:21,153 --> 03:45:22,254
think they

7567
03:45:22,254 --> 03:45:22,588
re related. I would

7568
03:45:22,588 --> 03:45:23,857
say also it

7569
03:45:23,857 --> 03:45:26,159
s not just a matter

7570
03:45:26,159 --> 03:45:27,594
when we make decisions of the

7571
03:45:27,594 --> 03:45:29,228
out of pocket expenses that,

7572
03:45:29,228 --> 03:45:31,398
you know, people are facing as

7573
03:45:31,398 --> 03:45:32,465
a consequence of it, but just a

7574
03:45:32,465 --> 03:45:33,433
reminder, we

7575
03:45:33,433 --> 03:45:34,635
re also helping

7576
03:45:34,635 --> 03:45:37,400
people save, reduce those out

7577
03:45:37,400 --> 03:45:38,805
of pocket expenses we we On

7578
03:45:38,805 --> 03:45:41,800
energy, you know, clean energy

7579
03:45:41,800 --> 03:45:42,275
things that are actually cost

7580
03:45:42,275 --> 03:45:42,442
savings things, um, and then

7581
03:45:42,442 --> 03:45:43,610
we

7582
03:45:43,610 --> 03:45:45,545
ve done things that

7583
03:45:45,545 --> 03:45:46,512
proactively are designed to

7584
03:45:46,512 --> 03:45:48,512
increase revenues, commercial,

7585
03:45:48,882 --> 03:45:50,851
economic, household, etc. It

7586
03:45:50,851 --> 03:45:52,352
just would be good from a

7587
03:45:52,352 --> 03:45:53,719
communication standpoint for a

7588
03:45:53,719 --> 03:45:54,321
resident to know when we make

7589
03:45:54,321 --> 03:45:54,855
decisions, what

7590
03:45:54,855 --> 03:45:55,755
s the plus and

7591
03:45:55,755 --> 03:45:55,856
the minus, you know, that

7592
03:45:55,856 --> 03:45:57,557
s

7593
03:45:57,557 --> 03:46:00,600
going on here, and I, and again,

7594
03:46:00,600 --> 03:46:01,394
that has to be in terms they

7595
03:46:01,394 --> 03:46:02,128
can understand and what they

7596
03:46:02,128 --> 03:46:02,296
typically understand very well.

7597
03:46:02,296 --> 03:46:02,462
It

7598
03:46:02,462 --> 03:46:04,196
s what

7599
03:46:04,196 --> 03:46:06,900
s coming out of my

7600
03:46:06,900 --> 03:46:07,433
back pocket this year. So I

7601
03:46:07,433 --> 03:46:08,367
know we don

7602
03:46:08,367 --> 03:46:10,670
t have that exactly,

7603
03:46:10,670 --> 03:46:11,371
and that MAY be, um, ground for

7604
03:46:11,371 --> 03:46:12,305
further creative thinking, but

7605
03:46:12,305 --> 03:46:15,905
I just wanted to suggest it.

7606
03:46:17,711 --> 03:46:20,790
Yep. Any other comments? I

7607
03:46:20,790 --> 03:46:22,490
think, I think that we have

7608
03:46:22,490 --> 03:46:24,418
consensus that the idea is good,

7609
03:46:24,418 --> 03:46:25,986
it is helpful for people to

7610
03:46:25,986 --> 03:46:28,386
visualize where their dollar

7611
03:46:28,789 --> 03:46:29,210
goes, so I think you

7612
03:46:29,210 --> 03:46:30,190
ve gotten

7613
03:46:30,190 --> 03:46:31,158
feedback and other than that, I,

7614
03:46:31,158 --> 03:46:32,159
I, I think we

7615
03:46:32,159 --> 03:46:33,359
re all nodding in

7616
03:46:33,359 --> 03:46:36,959
agreement that this is a go.

7617
03:46:37,300 --> 03:46:38,864
Thank you. Anything else, MR.

7618
03:46:38,864 --> 03:46:39,266
City Manager? That

7619
03:46:39,266 --> 03:46:39,566
s it, thank

7620
03:46:39,566 --> 03:46:40,300
you. That

7621
03:46:40,300 --> 03:46:42,703
s it for you. Ok,

7622
03:46:42,703 --> 03:46:46,303
then we will do the councils,

7623
03:46:47,400 --> 03:46:48,441
council member Amos. Thank you,

7624
03:46:48,441 --> 03:46:49,843
uh, so looking over to Melissa,

7625
03:46:49,843 --> 03:46:51,178
she wanted to quickly go over

7626
03:46:51,178 --> 03:46:52,812
the, the BACs and setting up

7627
03:46:52,812 --> 03:46:55,812
that for AUGUST, I believe.

7628
03:46:56,148 --> 03:46:58,484
Thank you, Council Member Amos.

7629
03:46:58,484 --> 03:47:00,587
So each of you have a printout

7630
03:47:00,587 --> 03:47:00,954
of, um, the 1st 2 pages are

7631
03:47:00,954 --> 03:47:01,855
vacancies that

7632
03:47:01,855 --> 03:47:03,757
s gonna be

7633
03:47:03,757 --> 03:47:05,359
advertised in the AUGUST city

7634
03:47:05,359 --> 03:47:06,292
scene, as you see on the second

7635
03:47:06,292 --> 03:47:08,195
page, it

7636
03:47:08,195 --> 03:47:10,595
s the h cab 17

7637
03:47:11,970 --> 03:47:11,598
positions that are coming up.

7638
03:47:11,598 --> 03:47:13,598
For reappointment or

7639
03:47:15,469 --> 03:47:17,400
appointments. Uh, on the third

7640
03:47:17,400 --> 03:47:19,373
page is the applicants I have

7641
03:47:19,373 --> 03:47:21,375
on deck that would be ready to

7642
03:47:21,375 --> 03:47:23,710
be interviewed, there are 20

7643
03:47:23,710 --> 03:47:24,177
people listed on here. And I

7644
03:47:24,177 --> 03:47:25,177
m

7645
03:47:25,177 --> 03:47:26,679
bringing this forward because a

7646
03:47:26,679 --> 03:47:29,449
council member had brought this

7647
03:47:29,449 --> 03:47:30,884
up last week about maybe doing

7648
03:47:30,884 --> 03:47:32,886
an AUGUST interview night, so I

7649
03:47:32,886 --> 03:47:34,921
wanted to get feedback if there

7650
03:47:34,921 --> 03:47:36,256
be a consensus or at least 4

7651
03:47:36,256 --> 03:47:39,256
council members that would be

7652
03:47:39,259 --> 03:47:40,260
available in AUGUST. And I

7653
03:47:40,260 --> 03:47:41,461
would say either the, we keep

7654
03:47:41,461 --> 03:47:44,298
it on a Tuesday, either the

7655
03:47:44,298 --> 03:47:44,731
11th, 18th, or the 25th.

7656
03:47:44,731 --> 03:47:44,998
Because next week

7657
03:47:44,998 --> 03:47:46,998
s national

7658
03:47:49,369 --> 03:47:49,536
night out. Ok, so feedback and

7659
03:47:49,536 --> 03:47:50,504
we

7660
03:47:50,504 --> 03:47:53,504
ll just start with Council

7661
03:47:54,740 --> 03:47:56,643
Member Amos. Uh, AUGUST is a

7662
03:47:56,643 --> 03:47:56,809
bit of a rough month for me, so

7663
03:47:56,809 --> 03:47:57,176
it

7664
03:47:57,176 --> 03:47:58,612
s unlikely I

7665
03:47:58,612 --> 03:47:59,679
ll be able to,

7666
03:47:59,679 --> 03:48:01,480
however, if I were to be able

7667
03:48:01,480 --> 03:48:01,947
to finesse it, it would need to

7668
03:48:01,947 --> 03:48:05,385
be towards the end of the month,

7669
03:48:05,385 --> 03:48:08,188
so the 18th or the 25th. If we

7670
03:48:08,188 --> 03:48:10,489
stick with Tuesday. Ok, council

7671
03:48:10,489 --> 03:48:11,758
member Hall, I would prefer not

7672
03:48:11,758 --> 03:48:15,228
the 25th as our kids go back to

7673
03:48:15,228 --> 03:48:16,763
school the day before. So I am

7674
03:48:16,763 --> 03:48:19,933
otherwise, um, the 11th or the

7675
03:48:19,933 --> 03:48:22,836
18th work fine for me. Ok,

7676
03:48:22,836 --> 03:48:25,236
Council member Hardy Chandler.

7677
03:48:27,107 --> 03:48:27,940
I believe I can do the 18th.

7678
03:48:27,940 --> 03:48:28,410
Council member Peterson, I

7679
03:48:28,410 --> 03:48:30,410
m

7680
03:48:31,745 --> 03:48:32,713
flexible. Ok, Council member

7681
03:48:32,713 --> 03:48:36,913
Bates, any of those work for me?

7682
03:48:38,510 --> 03:48:39,720
Mhm. Oh, sorry, Oh, sorry the

7683
03:48:39,720 --> 03:48:41,755
11th or the 18th, please. Ok,

7684
03:48:41,755 --> 03:48:43,560
it looks like the 18th is the

7685
03:48:43,560 --> 03:48:44,958
winner, ok, and this next

7686
03:48:44,958 --> 03:48:47,461
question, like I said, I have

7687
03:48:47,461 --> 03:48:48,628
20 people on deck, is there a

7688
03:48:48,628 --> 03:48:51,628
certain amount you wanna bring

7689
03:48:51,965 --> 03:48:53,566
that night? We do 4 an hour, so.

7690
03:48:53,566 --> 03:48:55,566
That

7691
03:48:58,872 --> 03:49:01,841
s a long time. I can.

7692
03:49:01,841 --> 03:49:02,174
Council member Peterson. So I

7693
03:49:02,174 --> 03:49:03,310
m

7694
03:49:03,310 --> 03:49:03,610
looking at the list and if I

7695
03:49:03,610 --> 03:49:05,610
ve

7696
03:49:07,113 --> 03:49:09,113
got it right, 123456789, 1011,

7697
03:49:10,350 --> 03:49:10,917
12, like 12 or 13 are housing

7698
03:49:10,917 --> 03:49:12,886
and healthing Communities

7699
03:49:12,886 --> 03:49:14,688
advisory Board, did I get that

7700
03:49:14,688 --> 03:49:16,890
right? So some of them have

7701
03:49:16,890 --> 03:49:17,890
long titles because they

7702
03:49:17,890 --> 03:49:18,910
represent a certain position on

7703
03:49:18,910 --> 03:49:18,292
there, so really on there,

7704
03:49:18,292 --> 03:49:19,493
there

7705
03:49:19,493 --> 03:49:21,428
s, let me get my glasses

7706
03:49:21,428 --> 03:49:22,663
on. Ok, yeah, my eyes are not,

7707
03:49:22,663 --> 03:49:22,863
my eyes are not working there

7708
03:49:22,863 --> 03:49:24,797
s

7709
03:49:24,797 --> 03:49:26,365
like 6 right now. Ok, yeah,

7710
03:49:26,365 --> 03:49:27,466
thank you. Gosh, that was hard

7711
03:49:27,466 --> 03:49:27,701
to figure out. Well, there

7712
03:49:27,701 --> 03:49:27,900
s, I

7713
03:49:27,900 --> 03:49:28,735
didn

7714
03:49:28,735 --> 03:49:30,771
t wanna, you know, just

7715
03:49:30,771 --> 03:49:33,140
put names on there. I at least

7716
03:49:33,140 --> 03:49:34,641
You know, show like what

7717
03:49:34,641 --> 03:49:35,750
position they represent, but I

7718
03:49:35,750 --> 03:49:36,800
wonder whether that

7719
03:49:36,800 --> 03:49:38,450
s sort of a

7720
03:49:38,450 --> 03:49:38,612
stack that we might set aside

7721
03:49:38,612 --> 03:49:39,346
and do that, that

7722
03:49:39,346 --> 03:49:40,880
s a bunch of

7723
03:49:40,880 --> 03:49:42,783
folks and that if we split it

7724
03:49:42,783 --> 03:49:42,983
so that somehow or another we

7725
03:49:42,983 --> 03:49:44,250
weren

7726
03:49:44,250 --> 03:49:45,819
t doing them all at once,

7727
03:49:45,819 --> 03:49:49,419
that would be an option for

7728
03:49:49,556 --> 03:49:52,326
that being set aside. So their

7729
03:49:52,326 --> 03:49:54,794
terms are not open till JANUARY,

7730
03:49:54,794 --> 03:49:57,130
yes. So on the last page, I

7731
03:49:57,130 --> 03:49:57,596
have a list of all of the

7732
03:49:57,596 --> 03:49:59,131
applicants would be

7733
03:49:59,131 --> 03:50:01,935
reappointments for the rest of

7734
03:50:01,935 --> 03:50:04,403
the year, they vary some terms

7735
03:50:04,403 --> 03:50:06,803
end in SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER,

7736
03:50:09,675 --> 03:50:11,745
NOVEMBER, or DECEMBER. Ok, ok.

7737
03:50:11,745 --> 03:50:12,879
I think my suggestion would be.

7738
03:50:12,879 --> 03:50:13,120
Pull out the health and housing,

7739
03:50:13,120 --> 03:50:15,120
I

7740
03:50:15,282 --> 03:50:16,149
m sorry, housing and Healthy

7741
03:50:16,149 --> 03:50:17,584
Communities Advisory Board and

7742
03:50:17,584 --> 03:50:18,986
do them separately and then we

7743
03:50:18,986 --> 03:50:21,386
could probably get everybody

7744
03:50:21,855 --> 03:50:22,589
else in one night. I agree with

7745
03:50:22,589 --> 03:50:25,589
that for everybody else agrees

7746
03:50:25,891 --> 03:50:26,920
with that. Yeah. All right,

7747
03:50:26,920 --> 03:50:26,793
that

7748
03:50:26,793 --> 03:50:27,728
s all I need, I

7749
03:50:27,728 --> 03:50:29,129
ll get

7750
03:50:29,129 --> 03:50:30,664
back on the date, or we can

7751
03:50:30,664 --> 03:50:31,198
just see, well, we

7752
03:50:31,198 --> 03:50:33,660
ll see, ok,

7753
03:50:33,660 --> 03:50:33,333
we can do the 18th since

7754
03:50:33,333 --> 03:50:33,900
everybody

7755
03:50:33,900 --> 03:50:36,900
s pretty much on the

7756
03:50:37,700 --> 03:50:39,172
18th. Ok. We could start at 7

7757
03:50:39,172 --> 03:50:42,772
or we could start at 6, your

7758
03:50:45,379 --> 03:50:47,279
preference? Ok. 6, ok. Yeah, I

7759
03:50:47,279 --> 03:50:48,682
was like. Don

7760
03:50:48,682 --> 03:50:48,848
t chime in unless

7761
03:50:48,848 --> 03:50:49,615
you

7762
03:50:49,615 --> 03:50:51,118
re definitely gonna come

7763
03:50:51,118 --> 03:50:51,551
right, right, right, right, I

7764
03:50:51,551 --> 03:50:53,551
forgot it

7765
03:50:53,620 --> 03:50:55,489
s still on me. Ok,

7766
03:50:55,489 --> 03:50:57,424
thank you. All good. So

7767
03:50:57,424 --> 03:50:59,425
pivoting back real quick, um,

7768
03:50:59,425 --> 03:50:59,893
another, I guess, calendar

7769
03:50:59,893 --> 03:51:00,661
clarification doesn

7770
03:51:00,661 --> 03:51:02,129
t need to

7771
03:51:02,129 --> 03:51:02,762
be during council comments. I

7772
03:51:02,762 --> 03:51:04,664
know Brian Lubcomman responded

7773
03:51:04,664 --> 03:51:07,401
to us about the pickets reserve

7774
03:51:07,401 --> 03:51:08,834
visit on Saturday. So if folks

7775
03:51:08,834 --> 03:51:09,902
wanna message on how we want to

7776
03:51:09,902 --> 03:51:12,839
go about that, we can handle

7777
03:51:12,839 --> 03:51:13,306
that separately. So I

7778
03:51:13,306 --> 03:51:15,306
ll just

7779
03:51:15,709 --> 03:51:17,243
mention that, um, last 2 items,

7780
03:51:17,243 --> 03:51:18,178
uh, National Night Out, just

7781
03:51:18,178 --> 03:51:19,279
want to celebrate our police

7782
03:51:19,279 --> 03:51:21,148
and thank the communities who

7783
03:51:21,148 --> 03:51:23,160
are hosting for them next week

7784
03:51:23,160 --> 03:51:25,751
and, uh, shout out to Courtside

7785
03:51:25,751 --> 03:51:28,155
Tie on your 20 years of of

7786
03:51:28,155 --> 03:51:28,955
activity and, uh, serving the

7787
03:51:28,955 --> 03:51:31,258
great citizens of Fairfax City,

7788
03:51:31,258 --> 03:51:34,258
so thank you. Council member

7789
03:51:34,561 --> 03:51:36,897
Hall. Uh, I want to thank

7790
03:51:36,897 --> 03:51:38,398
Ornery for many, many years of

7791
03:51:38,398 --> 03:51:40,232
service to our city very, very

7792
03:51:40,232 --> 03:51:43,803
sad to see them close. It seems

7793
03:51:43,803 --> 03:51:45,400
to be a tough spot there, um,

7794
03:51:45,400 --> 03:51:46,974
and I loved you when you were

7795
03:51:46,974 --> 03:51:48,875
upstairs, I loved you when you

7796
03:51:48,875 --> 03:51:52,345
were downstairs, and I just sad

7797
03:51:52,345 --> 03:51:52,745
to see you go. Um, and I don

7798
03:51:52,745 --> 03:51:54,745
t

7799
03:51:55,681 --> 03:51:57,617
really have much else prepared.

7800
03:51:57,617 --> 03:51:59,510
I wish everyone a quiet month

7801
03:51:59,510 --> 03:51:59,252
in AUGUST while we don

7802
03:51:59,252 --> 03:51:59,986
t have

7803
03:51:59,986 --> 03:52:01,187
council meetings. I

7804
03:52:01,187 --> 03:52:01,788
m sure

7805
03:52:01,788 --> 03:52:04,910
staff will appreciate the

7806
03:52:04,910 --> 03:52:06,159
somewhat Hiatus of dealing with

7807
03:52:06,159 --> 03:52:06,326
all of us on a weekly basis,

7808
03:52:06,326 --> 03:52:08,326
we

7809
03:52:08,394 --> 03:52:09,829
ll make sure to check in, I

7810
03:52:09,829 --> 03:52:10,697
promise, um, and as I said

7811
03:52:10,697 --> 03:52:12,698
earlier to my colleagues, I

7812
03:52:12,698 --> 03:52:14,668
just want to thank you all for

7813
03:52:14,668 --> 03:52:15,334
your flexibility for our remote

7814
03:52:15,334 --> 03:52:16,669
participation policy with the

7815
03:52:16,669 --> 03:52:18,605
things that were going on with

7816
03:52:18,605 --> 03:52:19,606
my dad, um. Things are

7817
03:52:19,606 --> 03:52:21,907
definitely looking up. He went

7818
03:52:21,907 --> 03:52:23,343
on as a first solo walks and

7819
03:52:23,343 --> 03:52:24,478
things are good. Um, and if I

7820
03:52:24,478 --> 03:52:28,678
owe you an email, it will be

7821
03:52:29,650 --> 03:52:32,953
coming this week, I promise. Um,

7822
03:52:32,953 --> 03:52:34,921
and, uh, I know we had

7823
03:52:34,921 --> 03:52:36,422
difficult conversations tonight

7824
03:52:36,422 --> 03:52:38,257
with regard to the adu

7825
03:52:38,257 --> 03:52:40,794
conversation, but I do want to

7826
03:52:40,794 --> 03:52:42,940
say that I think we had

7827
03:52:42,940 --> 03:52:43,630
respectful conversation, I

7828
03:52:43,630 --> 03:52:44,998
think we were all able to share

7829
03:52:44,998 --> 03:52:46,400
our thoughts and feelings in a

7830
03:52:46,400 --> 03:52:47,670
way that, you know, is, is what

7831
03:52:47,670 --> 03:52:48,802
we should be doing on council

7832
03:52:48,802 --> 03:52:50,469
here, whether we Disagree or

7833
03:52:50,469 --> 03:52:51,471
agree at the end of the evening

7834
03:52:51,471 --> 03:52:51,571
about it, um, you know, we

7835
03:52:51,571 --> 03:52:53,400
re

7836
03:52:53,400 --> 03:52:54,307
all able to still get together

7837
03:52:54,307 --> 03:52:55,342
and laugh and do the other

7838
03:52:55,342 --> 03:52:55,776
things, which makes me think, I

7839
03:52:55,776 --> 03:52:56,310
think we

7840
03:52:56,310 --> 03:52:58,845
re also due for a

7841
03:52:58,845 --> 03:53:02,445
night out. To our planner over

7842
03:53:06,786 --> 03:53:08,288
here on the right. I got you.

7843
03:53:08,288 --> 03:53:10,157
Council member Hardy Chandler,

7844
03:53:10,157 --> 03:53:11,558
I hope everyone enjoys a

7845
03:53:11,558 --> 03:53:13,593
restful break except for

7846
03:53:13,593 --> 03:53:14,861
breaking the brake for other

7847
03:53:14,861 --> 03:53:15,495
tasks. Looking forward to

7848
03:53:15,495 --> 03:53:15,995
National Night Out. I

7849
03:53:15,995 --> 03:53:17,330
ll look

7850
03:53:17,330 --> 03:53:19,198
forward to trivia night day if

7851
03:53:19,198 --> 03:53:22,798
we do get together, um, happy

7852
03:53:23,700 --> 03:53:24,603
summer. Councilor Peterson.

7853
03:53:24,603 --> 03:53:25,772
Well, likewise, so I think

7854
03:53:25,772 --> 03:53:27,506
everybody deserves a good break,

7855
03:53:27,506 --> 03:53:30,443
and I hope they take advantage

7856
03:53:30,443 --> 03:53:31,811
of it. So I, believe it or not,

7857
03:53:31,811 --> 03:53:33,413
was the last customer to leave

7858
03:53:33,413 --> 03:53:37,130
winery, uh, on its last night

7859
03:53:38,184 --> 03:53:41,121
on Sunday. Yeah, very, um Yeah,

7860
03:53:41,121 --> 03:53:42,210
sad, but I had, um, a long

7861
03:53:42,210 --> 03:53:43,230
conversation with the owner,

7862
03:53:43,230 --> 03:53:43,223
and as it turns out, it

7863
03:53:43,223 --> 03:53:45,223
s been

7864
03:53:46,292 --> 03:53:50,364
a little bit of a busy week

7865
03:53:50,364 --> 03:53:52,164
because um it just happenstance

7866
03:53:52,164 --> 03:53:53,734
had long conversations with

7867
03:53:53,734 --> 03:53:56,734
other restaurant owners in Old

7868
03:53:58,710 --> 03:54:00,700
Town, some Past recent and some

7869
03:54:00,700 --> 03:54:01,875
current, uh, and I think they

7870
03:54:01,875 --> 03:54:04,244
kind of sense that came out of

7871
03:54:04,244 --> 03:54:07,244
all those conversations is that

7872
03:54:07,613 --> 03:54:07,814
there is a conversation that

7873
03:54:07,814 --> 03:54:09,814
hasn

7874
03:54:10,150 --> 03:54:12,840
t exactly happened yet, um,

7875
03:54:12,840 --> 03:54:12,918
with that community about, um,

7876
03:54:12,918 --> 03:54:15,889
what their needs are and how

7877
03:54:15,889 --> 03:54:17,923
they might be met, and I think

7878
03:54:17,923 --> 03:54:19,920
in their view, um, ain

7879
03:54:19,920 --> 03:54:21,920
t so

7880
03:54:21,561 --> 03:54:23,697
easy. There are multiple

7881
03:54:23,697 --> 03:54:25,766
factors at play here, um, and I

7882
03:54:25,766 --> 03:54:28,468
just wanted to, um, suggests

7883
03:54:28,468 --> 03:54:29,536
that we find a way somehow or

7884
03:54:29,536 --> 03:54:30,871
another to have that

7885
03:54:30,871 --> 03:54:31,805
conversation that is perhaps

7886
03:54:31,805 --> 03:54:32,773
something our economic

7887
03:54:32,773 --> 03:54:33,400
development director could help

7888
03:54:33,400 --> 03:54:35,400
with. I

7889
03:54:35,676 --> 03:54:36,842
m not sure, but I think

7890
03:54:36,842 --> 03:54:39,146
my sense from talking, uh, with

7891
03:54:39,146 --> 03:54:42,746
all of them, and these are

7892
03:54:43,349 --> 03:54:44,818
people who are, um, pretty

7893
03:54:44,818 --> 03:54:47,218
capable business analysts as

7894
03:54:47,753 --> 03:54:50,900
well as being entrepreneurs,

7895
03:54:50,900 --> 03:54:52,491
they, they had, um, kind of an

7896
03:54:52,491 --> 03:54:52,759
advanced sense of the challenge

7897
03:54:52,759 --> 03:54:53,526
that they

7898
03:54:53,526 --> 03:54:53,726
re facing and they

7899
03:54:53,726 --> 03:54:55,594
re

7900
03:54:55,594 --> 03:54:56,529
looking for a way to kind of

7901
03:54:56,529 --> 03:54:57,640
Unpack that in some meaningful

7902
03:54:57,640 --> 03:54:57,564
way, so I

7903
03:54:57,564 --> 03:54:57,965
d, I

7904
03:54:57,965 --> 03:54:58,932
d like to

7905
03:54:58,932 --> 03:54:59,700
encourage us to find a way to

7906
03:54:59,700 --> 03:55:00,499
do that because it

7907
03:55:00,499 --> 03:55:00,667
s, you know,

7908
03:55:00,667 --> 03:55:02,302
it

7909
03:55:02,302 --> 03:55:04,303
s tough, uh, people put

7910
03:55:04,303 --> 03:55:06,306
their lives into these

7911
03:55:06,306 --> 03:55:06,405
businesses, um, it

7912
03:55:06,405 --> 03:55:07,674
s

7913
03:55:07,674 --> 03:55:09,900
interesting the the one thing

7914
03:55:09,900 --> 03:55:10,509
that small business people have

7915
03:55:10,509 --> 03:55:11,478
in common, according to

7916
03:55:11,478 --> 03:55:14,447
McKinsey, is that they work all

7917
03:55:14,447 --> 03:55:15,848
the time and they go to the gym

7918
03:55:15,848 --> 03:55:16,316
regularly, and this is a set of

7919
03:55:16,316 --> 03:55:17,684
people who

7920
03:55:17,684 --> 03:55:20,840
s an example of

7921
03:55:20,870 --> 03:55:22,489
folks who work all the time and

7922
03:55:22,489 --> 03:55:23,724
to see this, uh, cycle kind of

7923
03:55:23,724 --> 03:55:25,591
happened where people have to

7924
03:55:25,591 --> 03:55:27,260
check out because, uh, they Not

7925
03:55:27,260 --> 03:55:29,896
able to keep up is a hard thing,

7926
03:55:29,896 --> 03:55:31,631
so I just want to shout out for

7927
03:55:31,631 --> 03:55:32,765
them. I certainly, uh, feel,

7928
03:55:32,765 --> 03:55:33,800
feel their pain and want to do

7929
03:55:33,800 --> 03:55:36,303
everything we can here to be

7930
03:55:36,303 --> 03:55:38,703
helpful for them. Thanks

7931
03:55:39,205 --> 03:55:42,750
Council Member Bates. I just

7932
03:55:42,750 --> 03:55:43,910
want to wish everyone a happy

7933
03:55:43,910 --> 03:55:44,711
national night out, um, and

7934
03:55:44,711 --> 03:55:44,810
echo Council member Amos

7935
03:55:44,810 --> 03:55:46,810
s

7936
03:55:47,347 --> 03:55:49,820
comments, uh, thanking our, uh,

7937
03:55:49,820 --> 03:55:51,482
local police. Thank you.

7938
03:55:51,885 --> 03:55:53,253
Council Member McQuillan. I too

7939
03:55:53,253 --> 03:55:56,253
am looking forward to National

7940
03:55:56,256 --> 03:55:57,190
Night Out, and I also was able

7941
03:55:57,190 --> 03:55:59,259
to visit Ornery before they

7942
03:55:59,259 --> 03:55:59,526
closed their doors this weekend

7943
03:55:59,526 --> 03:56:01,526
and we

7944
03:56:01,895 --> 03:56:03,730
ll be sad to see them go,

7945
03:56:03,730 --> 03:56:07,930
um, wishing all of our staff a

7946
03:56:09,680 --> 03:56:10,937
great month off. Thank you. Ok,

7947
03:56:10,937 --> 03:56:13,373
and I want to remind everybody

7948
03:56:13,373 --> 03:56:14,440
that Frozen, the City of

7949
03:56:14,440 --> 03:56:14,774
Fairfax Theater Company

7950
03:56:14,774 --> 03:56:15,876
s

7951
03:56:15,876 --> 03:56:16,108
production is currently playing

7952
03:56:16,108 --> 03:56:17,177
and we

7953
03:56:17,177 --> 03:56:18,679
ll be going with the

7954
03:56:18,679 --> 03:56:20,790
grandchildren to see that on

7955
03:56:20,790 --> 03:56:21,515
Saturday the 1st, so I

7956
03:56:21,515 --> 03:56:22,582
encourage everybody to go see

7957
03:56:22,582 --> 03:56:25,117
Frozen. I know you know all the

7958
03:56:25,117 --> 03:56:26,953
words to the songs. We also

7959
03:56:26,953 --> 03:56:29,353
have Restaurant Week from

7960
03:56:29,389 --> 03:56:30,390
AUGUST 20th to 30th, so please,

7961
03:56:30,390 --> 03:56:31,792
please support our local

7962
03:56:31,792 --> 03:56:32,693
restaurants. Speaking of our

7963
03:56:32,693 --> 03:56:34,627
local restaurants, get out

7964
03:56:34,627 --> 03:56:37,300
there, try some new ones, take

7965
03:56:37,300 --> 03:56:38,465
friends and family. We did that

7966
03:56:38,465 --> 03:56:39,967
in this particular time period

7967
03:56:39,967 --> 03:56:41,401
because the George Mason

7968
03:56:41,401 --> 03:56:43,402
students are returning to the

7969
03:56:43,402 --> 03:56:44,937
campus on AUGUST the 26th, and

7970
03:56:44,937 --> 03:56:47,741
please always keep in mind that

7971
03:56:47,741 --> 03:56:48,275
Fairfax City is in fact George

7972
03:56:48,275 --> 03:56:48,674
Mason University

7973
03:56:48,674 --> 03:56:50,674
s hometown, so

7974
03:56:50,677 --> 03:56:52,111
we need to kind of represent

7975
03:56:52,111 --> 03:56:52,912
out there, welcome the students

7976
03:56:52,912 --> 03:56:55,114
and their parents back when we

7977
03:56:55,114 --> 03:56:55,582
see them around town. And with

7978
03:56:55,582 --> 03:56:57,582
that, I

7979
03:56:58,180 --> 03:56:59,519
m going to adjourn the

7980
03:56:59,519 --> 03:57:02,519
meeting at 10:57 P.M. On