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[1:12] >> I ould like to call our
[1:14] OCTOBER 27th fayetteville city
[1:17] council meeting to order.
[1:17] Welcome.
[1:19] We see a lot of new faces.
[1:23] Good to see you.
[1:24] Good to see you.
[1:26] Also those that join us remotely
[1:27] we thank you.
[1:30] At this time we will begin with
[1:34] the invocation and ask debra
[1:37] kinser from the pentecostal
[1:38] fellowship church.
[1:39] >> good evening.
[1:41] >> if you can stand for the
[1:43] prayer immediately if we can
[1:48] repeat the pledge of allegiance?
[1:51] >> if you can bow please.
[1:52] Heavenly father we come before
[1:54] you tonight in the mighty name
[1:54] of jesus.
[1:57] We thank you for your hand upon
[1:58] this great city of fayetteville,
[2:00] north carolina.
[2:03] A city of purpose, praise and
[2:04] destiny.
[2:06] Father we invite your holy
[2:08] spirit to come into this council
[2:10] chamber tonight.
[2:12] Matthew 28 states for where two
[2:14] or more are gathered together in
[2:18] my name I am in their midst.
[2:21] We declare and decree that your
[2:24] wisdom low through every
[2:25] COUNCILMAN For every decision
[2:27] and every word spoken let the
[2:30] spirit of unity and the
[2:32] righteousness reign over this
[2:32] meeting.
[2:35] Heavenly father, we declare the
[2:37] fayetteville belongs to you.
[2:41] We speak life over the city of
[2:41] fayetteville.
[2:44] We decree blessings over the
[2:45] leaders, our neighborhoods, our
[2:47] schools and the families.
[2:50] Let this be the city where your
[2:52] love flows through and is shown
[2:54] through our services where we
[2:57] hope it is restored and we're
[3:00] just
[3:03] justjustice rolls down lie
[3:03] water.
[3:07] We fill this chamber with your
[3:08] presence.
[3:12] Bring clarity and gratitude to
[3:13] every heart y guiding it with
[3:14] your holy spirit.
[3:18] We thank you heavenly father in
[3:19] ordinance of divine direction
[3:22] for the blessed and faithful
[3:24] work that is bestowed upon the
[3:27] city of fayetteville.
[3:29] City council and cumberland
[3:31] county sheriff's department and
[3:32] departments of social services,
[3:35] board of education and every
[3:36] county public service department
[3:40] you have touched through these
[3:40] leaders.
[3:44] As we close, heavenly father, we
[3:46] thank you again and it is done
[3:49] as we decree in the mighty name
[3:51] of jesus, the name of the
[3:55] father, son and holy spirit amen
[3:56] and amen and amen.
[3:59] >>
[3:59] of the united states of america,
[4:00] and to the republic, for which
[4:01] it stands, one nation, under
[4:02] GOD, indivisible, with liberty
[4:12] and justice for all. Thank you
[4:13] pastor if you want to tell us
[4:15] about yourself or your ministry
[4:20] that you are affiliated with?
[4:23] >> I'm debra kinser an assistant
[4:27] for first pentecostal fellowship
[4:30] and world wide ministries.
[4:35] The presiding pastors over it is
[4:42] apostle frederick nuoso and fred
[4:43] an
[4:45] nuoso
[4:46] nuoso.
[4:50] We have a church here off of
[4:51] mcarthur street.
[4:53] We are building it back because
[4:55] it felt apart for a minute there
[4:58] due to the 2020 recession thing
[5:01] that we had going on for covid
[5:02] you know so we're trying to
[5:06] build that back up.
[5:09] We have some ministries called
[5:11] global peace missions helping
[5:13] people to build their lives
[5:15] again around the world.
[5:19] We have also headed by
[5:21] evangelist linda branch cora's
[5:22] closet.
[5:23] She's part of the ministry and
[5:26] is ne of our evangelists and we
[5:28] have pastor erry who is doing a
[5:31] lot of different work with the
[5:32] motorcycle clubs.
[5:34] I forget what he called the
[5:37] ministry but he's doing those
[5:41] works and head kingdom sos.
[5:43] >> thank you.
[5:49] Let's give pastor kins see
[5:51] kinsey a round of applause.
[5:53] Keep up the good work nd
[5:53] congratulations on rebuilding
[5:55] and we know you will continue to
[5:56] do great things.
[5:58] Thank you for coming to join us
[5:59] and pray for us tonight.
[6:01] We have a special recognition
[6:05] and I'll turn that over to
[6:07] council member thompson and I
[6:10] think MR. Brook redding took
[6:13] care of that from the parks and
[6:14] rec taff perspective.
[6:16] >> thank you MR. Mayor.
[6:18] It was our initiative where we
[6:20] did the youth curfew ordinance
[6:22] to incorporate a junior mayor
[6:24] for the city of fayetteville.
[6:26] This is one program I thought
[6:27] would be pertinent for us to
[6:29] communicate with our youth to
[6:31] find out what their needs and
[6:32] desires are and that
[6:34] presentation will be done today
[6:37] on who our taff has appointed.
[6:40] MR. Brook will come and give us
[6:42] a small briefing and introduce
[6:45] our new junior mayor.
[6:47] >> good evening mayor and
[6:48] council.
[6:51] Sorry to walk in there.
[6:53] senior assistant to the city
[6:56] manager's office so I don't see
[6:59] them here but back in MAY we
[7:00] were given instruction to
[7:03] establish a junior mayor program
[7:07] with the F.Y. Y c and that was
[7:08] helped with mike gibson and his
[7:11] team and they have redone, go
[7:13] ahead and come up, and
[7:16] implemented this so that the
[7:20] chair formerly is now the junior
[7:20] mayor.
[7:21] [Applause]
[7:24] >> hi everyone.
[7:26] [Applause]
[7:28] Yeah so good evening mayor and
[7:28] council.
[7:30] First I want to thank GOD for
[7:31] this opportunity for guiding me
[7:33] on this journey.
[7:35] I'm honored to be standing here
[7:38] today as the newly inducted
[7:40] junior mayor of fayetteville.
[7:42] To y family and friends and
[7:43] mentor has the thank you for
[7:45] supporting me and pushing me to
[7:46] grow as a leader.
[7:47] I want to recognize my family
[7:49] here tonight.
[7:52] It's crowded but I saw my family
[7:52] right there.
[7:56] >> stand up family, stand up
[7:56] family.
[7:57] [Applause]
[7:59] >> alright.
[8:01] >> that's my fmily.
[8:05] It's much igger but that's my
[8:06] family.
[8:07] Your love and encouragement
[8:10] means the world to me.
[8:12] To my youth council family thank
[8:13] you for being part of my
[8:15] leadership journey.
[8:17] You inspire me with your passion
[8:19] and dedication and creativity.
[8:21] I'd like to recognize my
[8:22] executive board and other
[8:24] members of the council.
[8:26] This first three rows.
[8:31] If you guys can stand up?
[8:32] [Applause]
[8:33] >> alright.
[8:35] >> we just had our second
[8:37] meeting of the year last monday
[8:40] and they are doing phenomenal
[8:40] already.
[8:43] The next time I report I will
[8:45] share the projects they are
[8:45] working on.
[8:48] Good job guys.
[8:49] [Applause]
[8:50] Yes.
[8:52] As junior mayor I'm excited to
[8:54] continue the work for
[8:55] fayetteville to listen, serve
[8:57] and make sure your voices are
[8:57] heard.
[8:58] Thank you all again for trusting
[9:00] me with this role and I'm
[9:02] grateful and otivated and ready
[9:05] to continue to work for
[9:06] fayetteville.
[9:07] [Applause]
[9:10] >> alright.
[9:11] Well thank yu.
[9:15] We are glad to welcome you MADAM
[9:19] Mayor.
[9:22] We look forward to great things.
[9:26] I didn't mean to steal your
[9:26] light.
[9:28] >> I want to add the symposium
[9:30] they had.
[9:32] This was a young individual on
[9:34] the stage and this was their
[9:35] feedback on what our youth are
[9:37] looking for in the city of
[9:40] fayetteville to make us the
[9:42] all-american can do city that we
[9:44] are so give it up for these
[9:47] youth doing great things for
[9:48] fayetteville.
[9:57] [Applause]
[10:01] Come on back up here MADAM
[10:44] Mayor.
[10:44] Mayor.
[10:45] >> alright.
[10:47] Again we thank you so much and
[10:49] look forward to the great things
[10:54] that you all will do.
[10:56] Continue doing in our community,
[10:58] our future is bright.
[10:59] I'm encouraged.
[11:01] When I need to call it a sick
[11:02] I'll call you so be around to
[11:05] take it on.
[11:07] Thank you for joining our
[11:08] family.
[11:09] It is a product of your work and
[11:11] investment so thank you for what
[11:14] you have contributed to our
[11:14] city, as well.
[11:17] Council with that we'll move
[11:18] from there to the announcement
[11:19] section.
[11:22] I didn't see anything.
[11:23] Council member benavente?
[11:23] >> thank you.
[11:26] I wanted to let everyone know
[11:28] this coming saturday NOVEMBER
[11:30] first of 2025 at 10:00 A.M. In
[11:32] downtown fayetteville the
[11:33] veteran's council invites the
[11:35] community to come together in
[11:37] celebration of our nation's
[11:40] heroes at the veteran's day
[11:43] parade this saturday FEBRUARY
[11:44] first at downtown fayetteville
[11:48] and this year's theme is
[11:51] highlighting a military
[11:51] community.
[11:53] >> thank you sir.
[11:55] Council with that we'll move to,
[11:59] we have our assistant city
[12:03] manager MS. Can kelly
[12:03] strickland.
[12:04] >> good evening.
[12:08] I'm honored to fill in for DR.
[12:09] Hewitt tonight and have one item
[12:11] for the manager's report and I'd
[12:17] like to invite to the podium
[12:21] please, MR. Willie henry, john
[12:23] wesley.
[12:29] MR. Adam faulkner and kenneth
[12:30] minore.
[12:32] >> ya'll in trouble fellas.
[12:36] Come bearing gifts, huh?
[12:37] >> absolutely they do.
[12:39] The city of fayetteville has
[12:41] earned double recognition from
[12:44] the national association of
[12:45] government web professionals.
[12:47] Our team was awarded with both
[12:50] the pinnacle award and the
[12:53] members choice award in the city
[12:58] county medium group category
[13:02] comprised of to 221 thousand.
[13:04] They impressed judges with
[13:06] excellence in content,
[13:07] organization, design,
[13:10] performance and accessibility
[13:12] while also resonating with the n
[13:17] agw members who selected it as
[13:18] their top choice.
[13:24] This dual honor is the effort to
[13:27] make a digital community and
[13:28] setting a high standard for
[13:31] government design and this as a
[13:34] national award.
[13:38] >> congratulations.
[13:40] >> thank you.
[13:42] I think it's important to point
[13:46] it is is not just the team here.
[13:47] There is a large team behind
[13:48] I.T. And a large team behind
[13:51] them and then we have managers
[13:53] in all the departments and it
[13:54] was all the work coming together
[13:56] to make this award possible.
[13:57] >> we hank ou for the work you
[13:59] do for the city.
[14:01] What you do is so valuable
[14:04] behind the scenes and out front.
[14:06] The city could not run without
[14:08] technology so thank you for
[14:10] that.
[14:15] Congratulations.
[14:16] [Applause]
[14:20] >> quick photo.
[14:25] >> congratulations.
[14:27] Now before we take this picture
[14:28] the gentlemen that's in mid
[14:31] financial you can slide to your
[14:36] left or right.
[14:47] That's good.
[14:48] Alright.
[14:55] Congratulations guys.
[14:55] Alright.
[14:58] >> that's all I have this
[14:58] evening.
[15:00] >> thank you s. Strickland.
[15:02] we appreciate it.
[15:04] 6.0 approval of the agenda.
[15:06] We'll look for motion to approve
[15:08] and is banks-mclaughlin on?
[15:09] Good evening.
[15:12] >> yes, good evening.
[15:16] >> motion by council member
[15:17] haire?
[15:18] I'm sorry.
[15:21] >> I'd like to move 9.0 agenda
[15:24] items to be placed before 8.0
[15:26] agenda items.
[15:28] >> so 9 point section the public
[15:30] hearing items will come
[15:33] following consent in your
[15:33] motion?
[15:34] >> yes, sir.
[15:36] >> motion to approve with the
[15:38] changes seconded by michael
[15:41] harris any discussion?
[15:48] Council look for your votes.
[15:50] >> greene.
[15:56] >> who else are we missing?
[15:57] Motion carries.
[16:01] Moving to the tems that were
[16:03] we'll look for on consent.
[16:08] Motion for consent?
[16:08] Council member thompson?
[16:11] >> move that we prove the
[16:12] consent agenda MR. Mayor?
[16:15] >> move to approve and seconded
[16:18] by haire.
[16:19] Looks like.
[16:20] Council member benavente?
[16:22] >> this MAY be for the city
[16:24] attorney or the city manager.
[16:26] There was a vote taken upstairs
[16:28] to move the work session that
[16:30] was cheduled for NOVEMBER 3rd
[16:31] to NOVEMBER 10.
[16:33] Is that considered to be part of
[16:34] this consent agenda because I
[16:37] want to make sure I don't give
[16:39] approval for what I felt like
[16:41] was an in proper motion?
[16:43] >> no sir.
[16:44] >> thank you.
[16:48] >> council, I look for your
[16:54] votes.
[16:55] Council member banks-mclaughlin?
[16:56] >> greene.
[16:57] >> motion carries.
[16:59] Council moving to the public
[17:04] hearing items.
[17:06] It's time for the public hearing
[17:08] and we're preparing to hold the
[17:11] public hearing with the city
[17:13] council formerly seeks your
[17:13] input.
[17:15] Individuals must've signed up
[17:16] with city clerk by name and
[17:17] address before the start of the
[17:18] meeting tonight.
[17:20] We'll begin with a staff
[17:21] presentation and then move into
[17:22] the formal hearing.
[17:24] 15 minutes will be allowed for
[17:26] those in favor and apposed of
[17:27] the item.
[17:28] Individual seakers are limited
[17:30] to three minutes each unless by
[17:33] previous arrangement a single
[17:35] spokesman has been designated
[17:37] and in which case they can use
[17:38] the entire 15 minutes.
[17:40] When the clerk calls your name
[17:41] come to the podium and state
[17:43] your name and address for the
[17:46] record and address the counsel.
[17:49] When the light changes to amber
[17:52] you have 30 seconds remaining
[17:55] and then the light will turn
[17:55] red.
[18:06] I'll turn it to you MR. Harmon.
[18:07] Council member davis?
[18:09] >> per the applicant they were
[18:13] asking for this to be tabled so
[18:16] I will move that we table this.
[18:17] >> which item?
[18:23] >> 9.01 for the rezoning.
[18:26] >> did you have any more clarity
[18:29] on that MR. Harmon what's behind
[18:29] this?
[18:32] >> according to the e-mail that
[18:35] the clerk's office got the owner
[18:37] of this property is out of the
[18:40] country due to an emergency
[18:40] situation.
[18:41] >> okay.
[18:43] This is a motion to table is
[18:44] there a date?
[18:50] >> I move we table it to JANUARY
[18:52] 26th.
[18:53] 2026.
[18:55] >> so JANUARY?
[18:59] >> JANUARY 26th, 2026.
[19:00] >> okay.
[19:02] Is there a second to that?
[19:05] Seconded by council member
[19:05] hondros.
[19:07] Any discussion?
[19:08] Council member benavente?
[19:10] >> this is maybe still the
[19:12] question phase, MR. Mayor but I
[19:14] don't know if there's clarity on
[19:17] how many times a request has
[19:19] been made by the applicant to
[19:21] move the gold post on this
[19:21] discussion.
[19:23] This is not the first time is
[19:24] it?
[19:25] >> it's not.
[19:27] So this s an appeal.
[19:30] It was appealed to your meeting
[19:33] in AUGUST and in AUGUST they
[19:36] asked his be tabled until this
[19:37] meeting.
[19:37] >> why?
[19:39] Do you remember the reason for
[19:39] that?
[19:42] >> at that point they had the
[19:43] representative that was coming
[19:47] that night had a medical
[19:48] condition.
[19:51] >> so medical emergencies every
[19:53] time?
[19:54] Allegedly?
[19:56] >> that's what we've been told.
[19:59] >> you have any record of how
[20:00] many people came to speak at the
[20:03] previous occasions?
[20:05] >> I believe, MS. Clerk?
[20:09] >> yes, sir. At the AUGUST 25th
[20:10] meeting there were six speakers
[20:13] in opposition and one speaker in
[20:16] favor and we have the, well we
[20:18] have six speakers in opposition
[20:20] tonight and two in favor.
[20:22] >> if there's no other questions
[20:25] I reserve the opportunity to
[20:26] comment.
[20:27] >> this is the question phase so
[20:28] motion and second.
[20:30] >> if there's no other questions
[20:32] for anyone else?
[20:34] >> we're going to take the vote.
[20:35] >> I'll take this opportunity to
[20:38] say we have citizens that have
[20:39] been diligent organizing around
[20:44] this issue and it's no small
[20:48] feat for folks to come into city
[20:50] hall and now this is the second
[20:51] time they've organized and come
[20:55] here and it seems like if the
[21:00] shoe was not on the other foot,
[21:02] so at a certain point a judge
[21:05] will tell the attorneys you have
[21:07] had enough continuances so this
[21:08] time try your matter and all of
[21:11] us here are serving as decision
[21:13] makers and today would be the
[21:18] day to say you have had enough
[21:22] of continuance and everyone is
[21:28] here to speak so I vote against
[21:28] this.
[21:31] >> thank you COUNCILMAN.
[21:37] We'll look to you on the davis,
[21:45] hondros motion to continue to 1
[21:45] 1/26/26.
[21:50] I look for your vote.
[21:50] Council member banks-mclaughlin?
[21:52] >> red.
[21:54] >> MADAM?
[21:59] That carries so those voting
[22:00] against council member benavente
[22:01] and council member
[22:03] banks-mclaughlin, the rest are
[22:03] voting for.
[22:09] MR. Harmon or MADAM Attorney, as
[22:13] mentioned like a court she's
[22:16] been three continuances.
[22:18] So we need to hear it or dispose
[22:19] of it?
[22:21] >> member of the body could
[22:22] include that in a motion.
[22:25] >> I think we just voted on that
[22:25] one.
[22:28] >> can take another motion from
[22:30] the floor.
[22:32] >> well complicated but I think
[22:33] that's something that needs to
[22:38] be communicated in respect of
[22:39] time.
[22:40] At some point of course do say
[22:43] after two or three times.
[22:45] >> I'm willing to make the
[22:47] motion but I do have a question
[22:48] before the motion.
[22:50] So when did the e-mail come in
[22:51] that they were not going to be
[22:56] able to be here?
[22:58] >> it was originally, let me
[23:00] pull that up to make sure I have
[23:02] it correct but the official
[23:03] request to table was friday
[23:06] OCTOBER 10th and I respond on
[23:08] monday OCTOBER 13th.
[23:10] >> so my next question is, when
[23:13] we have six people here that
[23:17] signed up, did we call them?
[23:18] >> actually I called the ones
[23:20] that we had phone numbers for.
[23:22] We did not have phone numbers
[23:23] for everyone of them but I did
[23:26] call the ones we had numbers
[23:34] for.
[23:37] I'm going back to what was said.
[23:39] This is the second night they
[23:45] have come so we have ample time
[23:45] -
[23:47] but what it was motion again?
[23:51] >> just to do a new motion just
[23:54] to impress if the council passes
[23:56] this to imply or communicate
[24:00] that this was the last
[24:00] continuance.
[24:02] >> that third time is it?
[24:05] >> they can withdrawal or start
[24:06] over.
[24:07] Over.
[24:09] >> so I make a motion if the
[24:11] applicant does not show up at
[24:15] the next one on JANUARY 26th, I
[24:17] think it was, that they will
[24:19] need to withdrawal the
[24:23] application and start all over.
[24:29] >> you had a question?
[24:30] Council member hondros?
[24:32] Motion by mayor pro-tem and
[24:35] second by haire.
[24:36] question council member hondros?
[24:37] >> I don't know if I can support
[24:40] this if this is not part of our
[24:41] policy and we've not done this
[24:45] before, I think MR. Mayor you
[24:46] mentioned communicating
[24:48] council's desire of that.
[24:50] I just don't want them treated
[24:52] any different than anybody else.
[24:54] This is something we can look at
[24:56] policy committee or any other
[24:58] committee of putting in our
[25:01] policies or creative ordinances
[25:04] but if there's no limit to this
[25:05] codified in our code of
[25:07] ordinances or policies I don't
[25:10] know why we treat this applicant
[25:13] different than any other.
[25:14] >> I can retract that and say
[25:18] take it back to the policy
[25:19] committee, but I also think that
[25:22] we need to in the policy
[25:24] committee talking about getting
[25:26] phone numbers.
[25:28] >> well let me say this.
[25:31] My purpose was to be able to
[25:33] communicate some reasonable
[25:35] expectations to the applicant to
[25:37] say if this is something that's
[25:40] held our docket twice so I don't
[25:41] know it needs to be a policy
[25:44] change for the board to wales
[25:47] have discretion as to when to
[25:48] apply guidance for people
[25:51] because they are holding space,
[25:53] I understand emergencies happen
[25:56] but a court shall hear them as
[25:57] council member benavente said,
[25:59] this will be the next time or
[25:59] the last time.
[26:02] If that needs to be wrapped up
[26:04] in a motion, but I think this is
[26:06] really to see if the board had
[26:09] the will to communicate that.
[26:10] It doesn't necessary have to be
[26:12] an ordinance or resolution but
[26:13] it will just be something that
[26:16] can be communicated on behalf of
[26:19] the council when they notify the
[26:22] applicant of his approved
[26:24] continuance so are you still
[26:25] okay with that?
[26:29] >> I'd need to hear the motion
[26:29] restated.
[26:30] >> a alright.
[26:31] N alright.
[26:35] >> so if I get it right, the
[26:41] motion is to make sure that the
[26:44] applicant is aware that if he or
[26:48] she does not show up on JANUARY
[26:51] 26th, 2023 that they will have
[26:53] to start the pplication
[26:55] process.
[26:56] 2026.
[26:57] I'm so sorry.
[27:01] JANUARY 26th, 2026 that they
[27:04] will have o start the process
[27:04] over.
[27:06] >> and if I MAY, as well MR.
[27:08] Mayor, I think we can say that
[27:10] they will not get another
[27:12] continuance but I don't think we
[27:13] can force them o withdrawal.
[27:17] >> that's better.
[27:20] We'll not give another
[27:20] continuance.
[27:23] >> alright.
[27:27] COUNCILMAN Haire and thompson?
[27:31] >> now we don't have policy for
[27:37] on-going items to be continued
[27:42] then are you aying that it's
[27:45] out of order or not moved to go
[27:47] forward to the policy committee
[27:49] at least for some discussions of
[27:51] this because this is something
[27:54] that could continue to come
[27:56] forward again.
[27:58] >> so the only thing I was
[28:00] saying is that was hondros
[28:03] position but I'm saying the body
[28:05] or board needs discretion
[28:07] because each situation is
[28:07] different.
[28:09] You wouldn't want to make a firm
[28:11] policy that you would have to
[28:14] make an exception for.
[28:16] Saying you get only three and
[28:18] then some situation happens but
[28:20] I was trying to get enough
[28:21] consensus it can be communicated
[28:24] when they give him the new date
[28:27] to say council is ready to hear
[28:30] this on JANUARY 26th.
[28:33] Any other comments?
[28:34] Council member thompson?
[28:37] >> thank you MR. Mayor.
[28:39] I'm sitting here thinking.
[28:41] There is no policy.
[28:42] Has this ever happened before?
[28:45] >> we've had it come up before
[28:48] where we've had multiple
[28:48] requests.
[28:51] >> what was done in those
[28:51] instances?
[28:53] How many times you know an item
[28:55] was tken?
[28:58] >> probably around three is as
[29:00] many as I can think of but there
[29:02] could be some point in the past
[29:04] where we've done more than that.
[29:07] >> was there any suggestion of
[29:10] creating policy or ordinance to
[29:13] preclude them from having three
[29:13] or more.
[29:15] >> not that I recall.
[29:17] >> if I MAY?
[29:18] >> yes, ma'am?
[29:20] >> so I think we're talking
[29:22] about hat's going on here and I
[29:25] stated that is that we have had
[29:30] people come out to speak twice
[29:32] and they've waited here, they've
[29:35] come up and we've said we're
[29:36] continuing it chlt
[29:37] .
[29:40] I think if we knew on OCTOBER
[29:41] 12th if we could have gotten in
[29:43] touch with them and said, this
[29:45] is going to be continued, then
[29:46] that would have been a different
[29:47] story so that's when I said I
[29:50] can bring it back to ask that
[29:51] but if I need to withdrawal the
[29:55] motion, I can do that.
[29:59] >> hold on for clarification.
[30:00] Council member thompson?
[30:02] >> thank you MR. Mayor and mayor
[30:04] pro tem I like that idea because
[30:06] that can be brought back to
[30:06] policy.
[30:09] that we get the phone numbers so
[30:12] we have enough time to notify
[30:13] them so they don't have to show
[30:14] up.
[30:14] -
[30:16] that we can bring back to
[30:17] policy, MR. Mayor.
[30:20] >> my nly concern is they don't
[30:22] know it's going to be tabled
[30:23] until council comes together and
[30:25] we don't come together until
[30:27] meeting so I don't think that
[30:29] will work.
[30:30] It's just a request.
[30:33] >> council MAY or MAY not grant
[30:34] it at the time.
[30:35] Council?
[30:36] Let me bring it back to this
[30:37] particular case, right?
[30:40] We have continued this to
[30:42] JANUARY 26th of 26.
[30:44] The only question I pose for the
[30:46] body is, is there a will to
[30:48] communicate for this case, that
[30:51] to imply or to communicate to
[30:53] the applicant that we'll be
[30:55] ready to move forward on JANUARY
[30:56] 26th?
[30:57] That's the question that I have
[30:58] today.
[31:00] Now if there's a broader
[31:02] question can we capture that
[31:03] separate?
[31:06] The vote will be or whatever
[31:10] consensus you need acting
[31:12] manager for the city to notify
[31:15] him of that if there's a
[31:16] consensus of this ody that
[31:19] please be prepared on JANUARY
[31:20] 26th.
[31:20] >> yes, sir.
[31:22] That's the will of council and
[31:23] we can certainly communicate
[31:24] that.
[31:27] >> this is just the temperature.
[31:29] Does your motion still stand or
[31:31] you want to do something
[31:31] different?
[31:33] >> I think exactly what you are
[31:35] saying is my motion.
[31:35] >> okay.
[31:38] We're ready to go.
[31:40] Council I look to you for
[31:41] action.
[31:42] Consensus to communicate what
[31:45] was stated.
[31:47] MADAM Can you're the system for
[31:58] us?
[32:00] There we go.
[32:02] Council member banks-mclaughlin?
[32:04] >> green.
[32:05] >> alright.
[32:08] MR. Harmon you got it.
[32:12] Communicated.
[32:16] Those voted apposed?
[32:17] Hondros and greene.
[32:21] Motion carries 8-2 so look
[32:23] forward to dealing with this
[32:25] again in 26.
[32:28] So item 9.02.
[32:31] MR. Harmon is that you, as well?
[32:33] >> it is MR. Mayor.
[32:34] Thank you.
[32:36] The other public hearing we have
[32:40] this evening is an annexation.
[32:43] You MAY recall during your
[32:47] consent agenda, you tentatively
[32:49] approved a new zoning for this
[32:52] property if it is annexed that
[32:55] new zoning would be light
[32:55] industrial.
[32:59] This is property owned buy is
[33:01] regarding commercial development
[33:06] and lori lori epler is
[33:08] representing them.
[33:10] 3456 black and decker road just
[33:15] over 2.5 acres in COUNCILMAN
[33:16] Davis jurisdiction.
[33:18] Just to give you an idea where
[33:22] the property is located we have
[33:22] black and decker road here and
[33:27] this is the wal-mart that faces
[33:28] gillespie here.
[33:30] All of these properties through
[33:35] this area are all either city or
[33:38] county, industrial properties.
[33:41] This roperty is currently zoned
[33:44] mp in the county which is
[33:46] manufacturing which is their
[33:49] version of our industrial
[33:51] districts.
[33:53] Currently the property is vacant
[33:55] and wooded.
[33:57] Just some photographs of some of
[33:58] the surrounding things.
[34:02] There is a housing development
[34:04] kind of mainly to the south and
[34:05] some of the east of the property
[34:08] but other than that everything
[34:11] is industrial around it.
[34:13] Staff does recommend adoption of
[34:18] this proposed ordinance nnexing
[34:20] this property with an effective
[34:21] date of today.
[34:24] If you have questions of this,
[34:28] if you would wait to pose those
[34:31] to staff after your legislative
[34:34] hearing over.
[34:35] Thank you, sir.
[34:37] >> thank you MR. Harmon.
[34:38] Open the ublic hearing.
[34:42] >> we have one speaker.
[34:44] Lori epler.
[34:47] >> good evening MS. Epler, how
[34:49] are you?
[34:52] >> well MR. Mayor and council,
[34:54] as you heard the initial zoning
[34:56] was passed on your consent
[34:59] agenda so we're just asking for
[35:06] the annexing so this property
[35:07] can be developed.
[35:08] If you have questions I'll be
[35:10] here otherwise, I'll let you get
[35:11] on with your business.
[35:13] >> thank you ma'am.
[35:14] Council member davis you have a
[35:14] question?
[35:17] >> if there's no uestions I'm
[35:20] prepared to make a motion.
[35:21] >> scan your colleagues.
[35:23] I don't see any.
[35:24] Thank you.
[35:26] With that we'll close the public
[35:27] hearing.
[35:27] Council member davis?
[35:30] >> at this time I move to adopt
[35:33] the annexation oured answer in
[35:35] with OCTOBER 27th, 2025.
[35:39] >> motion and seconded by
[35:41] council member thompson to adopt
[35:47] the ordinance with pro
[35:48] annexation.
[35:48] I
[35:51] I look forward to your votes
[35:52] council.
[35:54] The screen ain't working with us
[35:57] tonight, is it?
[35:58] Alright.
[36:00] Council member banks-mclaughlin?
[36:00] >> green.
[36:01] >> alright.
[36:03] Motion carries unanimous.
[36:05] Motion adjourn.
[36:07] >> before we adjourn?
[36:09] >> oh!
[36:14] Man I done got excited.
[36:14] Oh.
[36:15] We skipped an item.
[36:17] That's what it is.
[36:20] Sorry about that chiefs.
[36:21] We're still cool.
[36:23] I'm sorry.
[36:26] We move to nine point items to
[36:26] the middle.
[36:28] I'm sorry.
[36:33] My fault.
[36:33] Haire?
[36:34] I got excited.
[36:35] >> thank you mayor.
[36:37] I want to make sure before we
[36:40] move to that item I want to make
[36:41] sure I'm on the same page
[36:43] because we did not speaking of
[36:48] it down here but in our consent
[36:52] item 7-point 0, 85 and the time
[36:55] that I was speaking of in ur
[37:02] pre meeting for 1912 murchison
[37:05] road for the demo and the
[37:07] additional time that I was
[37:10] having to discuss about how it
[37:13] would be worked out between the
[37:16] owner and staff, did we need to
[37:18] do anything about that?
[37:19] Nothing was said upstairs and it
[37:20] was just left.
[37:21] >> it's passed.
[37:23] The order is in place.
[37:26] >> it was not to change the
[37:26] order.
[37:29] It was to give the property
[37:33] owners 60 days to work with
[37:35] staff on hatever corrections or
[37:39] other provisions they were have
[37:43] the discussion about but I never
[37:45] was taking it off the demo lst.
[37:47] >> right now there's a demo
[37:49] order that will go through it's
[37:52] process which is more than
[37:53] likely that long but anyone want
[37:55] to speak to the process?
[37:56] >> I understand that and thank
[37:58] you mayor, but so that we can
[38:03] have something in the minutes to
[38:10] support what the discussion was
[38:13] >> so council member haire, that
[38:16] item is gone so we have to
[38:17] reintroduce something to go back
[38:18] and deal with that.
[38:20] You are saying to put some terms
[38:21] or provisions.
[38:25] Let me go to the attorney from a
[38:28] procedural standpoint?
[38:29] Laws that work?
[38:30] >> yes, sr.
[38:32] We can work with all property
[38:36] owners once you all approve a
[38:37] demolition ordinance.
[38:40] Our efforts for voluntary
[38:41] compliance does not stop there,
[38:44] and we do not have the ability
[38:46] to turn around the day after you
[38:48] all prove an ordinance and go
[38:50] out with a contractor which I
[38:52] mentioned is a process.
[38:54] There is a process and it does
[38:56] take some time and certainly
[38:58] during the time where we are
[39:00] still running our process to
[39:02] identify who our contractor will
[39:04] be and get them under contract
[39:06] we're in communication with
[39:07] property oners.
[39:10] If it's their desire to bring
[39:12] the roperty into compliance we
[39:13] certainly ontinue o work with
[39:15] them right up to the last
[39:16] second.
[39:18] >> then if I could, just putting
[39:20] it in the minutes not trying to
[39:23] change what's already been
[39:25] approved I would like that
[39:30] discussion to be with the other
[39:33] 2005 murchison road property.
[39:36] >> did the clerk captured the
[39:39] recording so she'll document
[39:39] accordingly.
[39:41] Moving to 8.0.
[39:43] Chief will you at?
[39:47] I didn't mean to leave you out.
[39:52] Come on up.
[40:04] Good to see you, chief.
[40:07] >> good evening MR. Mayor and
[40:08] members of the council.
[40:09] I'm before you tonight to
[40:11] present the 2025 fire department
[40:14] third quarter report.
[40:16] First we want to share a few
[40:18] quick highlights from third
[40:18] quarter.
[40:20] We advertise and hiring process
[40:24] for our plan JANUARY 2026 at the
[40:26] academy and received 245
[40:29] applicants and 63 percent of
[40:30] those were from
[40:32] under-represented populations
[40:33] and 40 were female.
[40:35] 25 recruits graduated from our
[40:39] fire academy and are completing
[40:40] emt school as we speak.
[40:42] We decided to have them on the
[40:45] fire trucks next week.
[40:48] Something really exciting our
[40:51] search and rescue team completed
[40:52] training.
[40:54] The fayetteville tech regional
[40:55] fire training facility.
[40:57] This prop is the first of it's
[41:00] kinds in the world.
[41:01] Our folks have the opportunity
[41:04] to simulate working in and train
[41:06] on working on a looded house
[41:11] and removing themselves from
[41:15] windows and attics during those
[41:15] situations.
[41:20] The folks at ftc bend over
[41:22] backwards to make sure our
[41:23] responders have anything they
[41:24] need to be successful and this
[41:28] is just the latest example.
[41:30] Our third quarter call volume
[41:33] was 7593 total calls for service
[41:37] with AUGUST being the busiest at
[41:43] 2620 of those.
[41:47] Here are incidents by category.
[41:47] 4854.
[41:50] There were 842 service calls and
[41:52] these included things like water
[41:55] leaks and public service lift
[41:55] assist.
[41:57] Assist police with some
[42:00] equipment and illegal burning.
[42:03] There were 793 good intent calls
[42:07] and are largely cancelled into
[42:10] route to smoke scares or no
[42:13] incident found upon arrival.
[42:16] 665 false fire alarms and 229
[42:19] fires and 213 hazard condition
[42:19] calls.
[42:22] These are not to be confused
[42:26] with hazard materials cause even
[42:28] though they do fall in there.
[42:30] This includes over heated
[42:31] motors.
[42:35] Electrical power lines down and
[42:36] defective equipment.
[42:39] Our response times remain
[42:42] consistent and well under our 8
[42:44] minute response time goal.
[42:46] We responded to 50 structure
[42:48] fires and 19 started in the
[42:49] kitchen.
[42:51] That number is trending back
[42:53] down in the right direction so
[42:55] we're happy about that.
[42:57] There were no fire fatalities.
[43:00] 8 civilian injuries and three
[43:01] firefighter injuries.
[43:04] 63 percent of the structures
[43:06] were contained to the roof of
[43:06] origin.
[43:09] We were able to in improve our
[43:11] dollar savory shoe.
[43:14] We're at 97.3 percent while we
[43:17] had 1.5 million in property loss
[43:20] we saw 58.4 million in property
[43:21] saved.
[43:24] There were 23 vehicle fires and
[43:27] four and one lithium battery
[43:28] fire.
[43:30] Top three fire losses last
[43:32] quarter were multi-family
[43:35] dwelling and a single-family
[43:37] dwelling on elmherst and a
[43:40] commercial structure on
[43:41] murchison road.
[43:45] As we said there were 4
[43:46] 854
[43:47] medical responses.
[43:52] As you can see the overdose
[43:54] response and narcan treatment
[43:56] continue to trend downward.
[43:59] There were 65 total has material
[44:01] responses nd 38 were natural
[44:06] gas, five were carbon monoxide
[44:09] and our regional response team
[44:10] responded to five calls outside
[44:11] of the city.
[44:14] On to our human capital.
[44:15] At the end of the third quarter
[44:18] we had 6 firefighter vacancies
[44:21] and one fire inspector vacancy
[44:24] and we welcomed academy 2-25 so
[44:26] as of today we don't have any
[44:29] firefighter vacancies and we are
[44:32] only carrying one firefighter
[44:33] inspector vacancy.
[44:37] >> that's pretty good, sir.
[44:38] [Applause]
[44:43] >> we had three retires and 8
[44:43] resignations.
[44:45] Of those only one left for
[44:46] another job in the fire service
[44:50] and that's big for us in our
[44:53] business.
[44:56] We're up to 25%
[44:57] under-represented population at
[44:58] the end of the third quarter
[45:00] while this number is still short
[45:02] of our goal of 30 percent it's
[45:06] the highest in my ten year and
[45:09] with the outcome 06 ur hiring
[45:10] process is we look forward to
[45:13] continue to move that to the
[45:14] goal.
[45:16] As you can see here our training
[45:18] and recruitment staff stayed
[45:20] busy in the third quarter.
[45:23] They did hiring, career
[45:25] development, promotions and
[45:26] career continuing education for
[45:27] our department.
[45:29] The department as a whole
[45:30] completed nearly 34 thousand
[45:31] hours of training the third
[45:32] quarter alone.
[45:35] Our goal is not to train to get
[45:37] it right but our goal is to
[45:39] train until we can't get it
[45:40] wrong.
[45:43] Moving into the fire marshal's
[45:43] office.
[45:45] As you know we've had a
[45:47] significant makeover of our
[45:49] office in the past year and a
[45:49] half.
[45:52] We've added staff and refocused
[45:54] efforts with several goals in
[45:54] mind.
[45:56] The over arching goal is
[45:57] everyone that does business in
[46:00] the city of fayetteville does it
[46:02] safely by meeting the intent of
[46:03] the fire code.
[46:04] -
[46:06] nothing more and nothing less.
[46:08] Every patron and business in the
[46:10] city of fayetteville is safe and
[46:12] not exposed to any harm.
[46:13] Lastly we want to ensure that
[46:14] anyone and everyone that wants
[46:16] to do business in this city can
[46:21] do it was providing timely plan
[46:23] reviewed and planning from the
[46:25] fire department side.
[46:28] As you can see, new plan
[46:30] reviewed are up by over 500.
[46:32] These are things like building
[46:33] plans.
[46:34] Site plans.
[46:36] Fire extinguish meant and gates
[46:38] and barricades and many other
[46:38] things.
[46:40] These are often requested as
[46:44] express reviews and with our
[46:45] reconfiguration of the office
[46:47] we're now able to meet the time
[46:48] requirements set forth by
[46:49] general statute.
[46:52] Our fire inspections are down
[46:52] -
[46:54] slightly his is because we have
[46:56] three new inspectors in training
[46:57] and they are shadowing.
[46:59] They will be released in the
[47:02] next month and this number will
[47:05] increase significantly next
[47:06] quarter.
[47:09] Fire inspections and maintenance
[47:11] inspections include foster
[47:12] homes.
[47:14] Hotels and any other commercial
[47:18] occupancy and include tent
[47:19] inspections and special event
[47:22] and fireworks inspections.
[47:23] Depending on the occupancy type
[47:26] these are done on a one to three
[47:28] year rotation per general
[47:28] statute.
[47:30] The fire code violations shook
[47:33] me up some because they are up
[47:34] dramatically.
[47:36] The number took me by surprise
[47:38] because it does not correlate to
[47:40] an ncreased number of
[47:43] inspections like 2024 did.
[47:45] So a great deal of my time and
[47:47] probably some time when I should
[47:48] have been sleeping was going
[47:51] over these numbers trying to
[47:53] digest them and working with the
[47:54] fire marshal to try to
[47:57] understand the data real honest
[47:59] answer is our fire marshal's
[48:02] office is just doing a better
[48:04] job.
[48:05] Job.
[48:06] But I need everyone to
[48:09] understand that we're not in the
[48:11] gotcha business.
[48:12] We're not doing that.
[48:14] We are in the business to make
[48:16] everything meet fire code.
[48:18] With that said 47 percent of the
[48:20] violations are identified and
[48:22] corrected at the same time so as
[48:24] the inspector and the occupant
[48:26] walk through the business they
[48:28] identify them and fix them and
[48:29] everything is good.
[48:31] This doesn't require any
[48:33] reinspections or money from our
[48:34] business owner's pockets.
[48:37] The rest are largely things that
[48:39] require license contractors to
[48:41] fix or additional parts and
[48:43] materials that are not
[48:44] immediately available.
[48:46] In 30 days we confirm these
[48:48] items have been addressed.
[48:51] I say all that to say that we,
[48:53] as a department, we need to do a
[48:55] better job of educating our
[48:56] business owners before the
[48:57] inspection.
[48:58] We have to give them the test
[49:00] but we can lso give them the
[49:02] answers to the test before we
[49:04] get there.
[49:06] So you'll see social media
[49:09] information, podcasts with
[49:10] official.
[49:13] We'll send out fliers and other
[49:13] educational information to our
[49:16] business owners and look at some
[49:17] other things.
[49:19] Community risk reduction folks
[49:21] and the help of the cities
[49:23] marketing and communications
[49:24] group.
[49:26] It's our goal and our
[49:27] responsibility to make
[49:28] information available to
[49:31] business owner, so e can set
[49:32] them up for success so that what
[49:36] we're going to do.
[49:37] The top five violations that we
[49:41] found are electrical issues,
[49:44] fire extinguishers and general
[49:46] items such as address markers
[49:48] and outdated equipment.
[49:51] Emergency power systems and fire
[49:53] protection equipment.
[49:56] Now we're moving on to the
[49:58] community reduction.
[49:59] The good stuff.
[50:02] The third quarter allowed us to
[50:05] engage 6655 residents and attend
[50:09] 164 community events and install
[50:13] 343 smoke alarms and 84 carbon
[50:16] monoxide alarms and fire
[50:16] suppressers.
[50:20] We corrected 59 child safety
[50:22] seat and taught 38 folks hands
[50:26] on only cpr and gave station
[50:27] tours and held fire
[50:28] interventions.
[50:32] Now like a broken record as I
[50:32] always am.
[50:35] Smoke alarms save lives folks.
[50:37] Fire does not discriminate.
[50:39] If you or anyone you know needs
[50:42] a smoke alarm or one checked
[50:47] please call us immediately at
[50:48] 433-1116 and we'll be there
[50:51] promptly to take care of you at
[50:52] no cost.
[50:53] Nobody should lay down their
[50:54] head to sleep without a working
[50:56] smoke alarm and I'm happy to
[50:58] take your questions.
[51:01] >> thank you, chief.
[51:04] Great presentation.
[51:06] COUNCILMAN Haire?
[51:08] >> just want to continue to give
[51:11] a thumb's up to that last scan
[51:14] bar you had up there on the
[51:15] screen.
[51:19] Chief, would you put it back
[51:19] please?
[51:22] About the free smoke detectors
[51:24] so citizens can look at that
[51:24] again.
[51:26] I want to support that statement
[51:29] that you said, chief that smoke
[51:31] detectors they do and smoke
[51:34] alarms they do save lives and we
[51:36] can't say it enough.
[51:38] We give this information out to
[51:40] all of our community watch or
[51:43] community meetings and I give it
[51:45] all the time and I know the
[51:48] number by heart and so we
[51:51] continue to push and I love to
[51:54] give you accolades on this
[51:57] because I have had a smoke
[52:02] detector and a carbon monoxide
[52:08] detector installed free by our
[52:09] fire department.
[52:12] Great job, put it in perfect
[52:13] places where you all thought
[52:15] they needed to be.
[52:17] Cleaned up after yourselves and
[52:18] was gone in about 20 minutes so
[52:21] thank you and I hope that our
[52:24] citizens will write down this
[52:29] number, 433-1116 or you can scan
[52:32] the bar and ake a picture
[52:34] because truly smoke detectors
[52:37] and carbon monoxide detectors
[52:38] save lives.
[52:40] >> we also see the qr goals on
[52:42] our fire trucks now.
[52:44] You see at the grocery store or
[52:45] at a community event you can
[52:47] walk up to the truck and scan
[52:47] it.
[52:49] >> they work.
[52:50] >> thank you.
[52:51] Council member thompson?
[52:52] >> thank ou MR. Mayor.
[52:54] Thank you chief for another
[52:55] great presentation.
[52:57] I'm excited we're getting ore
[52:58] done with less.
[53:01] That's very impressive but two
[53:01] questions.
[53:05] Can you explain to the public
[53:11] why there was arise in AUGUST?
[53:14] >> those re ebbs and flows.
[53:18] That really wasn't anything too
[53:20] exciting in our world.
[53:23] It's really about 100 calls more
[53:26] than JULY and you got to think
[53:28] most kids are out of school and
[53:31] families are on vacation and
[53:33] there's travel at the mall
[53:34] getting ready for school so
[53:36] people are busy.
[53:37] >> outstanding.
[53:39] So this is more of a question
[53:43] that I don't know if I should
[53:44] address you or the city manager
[53:46] in his absence.
[53:47] Being retired military I know
[53:49] the affects that you're okay
[53:50] participation can have on your
[53:51] life.
[53:52] Not just why you are in there
[53:55] but also after you retire.
[53:57] I know our first responders.
[54:00] fire and police see some things
[54:05] that most average person doesn't
[54:05] see.
[54:08] What precautions do we have or
[54:10] programs or counseling do we
[54:12] have to help these individuals
[54:15] during their tour and after they
[54:16] retire?
[54:19] >> I'll take care of this one,
[54:23] if you want.
[54:26] Up until about three years ago
[54:29] maybe, mental health was taboo
[54:34] in our business.
[54:38] We just started to unpack the
[54:39] box.
[54:41] There is no perfect answer for
[54:42] your question.
[54:44] We are doing things we have
[54:46] brought on our first dog and we
[54:48] have another dog coming.
[54:50] We have peer support internal
[54:51] and offered by the state.
[54:56] We have chaplain's and e A.P.
[54:59] And all those things.
[55:02] We have our fingers on the pulse
[55:06] of what everyone is doing
[55:06] nationally.
[55:08] My metro chief group we
[55:10] communicate regularly about it.
[55:12] Everyone is trying to figure
[55:14] that out but the biggest thing
[55:17] we don't have an answer for is
[55:19] post employment because all of
[55:22] our stuff is available to our
[55:25] working folks so once you retire
[55:29] there is, our internal peer
[55:31] support and state peer support
[55:33] is available but after that I
[55:34] don't know what.
[55:38] We don't have a good nswer just
[55:43] yet, but we are on it every day
[55:47] with our ears to the street.
[55:49] There's some other
[55:51] municipalities that have brought
[55:57] on some of those.
[55:59] We're washing and trying to get
[56:01] the results from that but I'm
[56:03] comfortable and confident saying
[56:05] anything that I come up with
[56:06] I'll get full support from the
[56:08] city manager's office and from
[56:10] you guys because I have never
[56:12] not gotten that support.
[56:14] I know that doesn't answer your
[56:14] question.
[56:15] >> I did.
[56:18] >> hope you are comfortable
[56:20] knowing that one of our
[56:21] assistant chiefs we do know it's
[56:23] an issue and we're actively
[56:25] looking but there's no answer at
[56:26] this time.
[56:28] >> that was a conversation piece
[56:32] we had during a chat about some
[56:35] of the trauma our first
[56:36] responders go through with some
[56:39] of the scenes they have to go to
[56:42] and this traumatizing.
[56:44] It stays with you or the rest
[56:46] of your life and you will need
[56:48] that exterior help now or in the
[56:49] future we want to make sure
[56:50] that's available for all of our
[56:53] first responders.
[56:56] Thank you chief and MR. Mayor.
[56:59] >> council member davis?
[57:01] >> I think on the slide where
[57:02] you have the fire inspections I
[57:06] want to say thank you for, you
[57:08] can inform the business owners
[57:10] in reference to violations
[57:12] because I receive a lot of phone
[57:15] calls and texts to references
[57:17] like church and projects and
[57:18] businesses because of the
[57:19] violations because they don't
[57:20] understand the process so thank
[57:21] you for that, sir.
[57:24] >> like I said we have to give
[57:26] you it but there's nothing
[57:27] saying that we can't give you
[57:32] the answers to the test
[57:32] beforehand.
[57:35] >> I move that we accept the
[57:37] report from the fire department.
[57:38] >> alright.
[57:39] Motion by council member
[57:41] thompson and second by council
[57:43] member davis.
[57:44] Discussion?
[57:48] council I look for your vote.
[57:50] Council member banks-mclaughlin?
[57:52] >> green.
[57:55] >> alright.
[57:58] Great job, chief, thank you.
[58:02] MADAM Clerk it's unanimous.
[58:05] And to your team, chief.
[58:07] No man is an island so thank you
[58:10] to all the firefighters and to
[58:10] your team, as well.
[58:13] First responders.
[58:13] Alright.
[58:16] Chief bryant where are you at,
[58:16] sir?
[58:18] It's your turn.
[58:21] Come on down.
[58:22] >> good evening.
[58:28] First of all I'd like to give
[58:30] chief and his team a round of
[58:32] applause in regarding being able
[58:35] to fill those vacancies because
[58:38] I understand that it is a
[58:41] challenge and it's extremely
[58:42] impressive when they fill all
[58:47] over their vacancies so mayor
[58:49] and city council and senior
[58:53] leadership team and junior MADAM
[58:56] Mayor, she's left, has to go to
[58:58] school, my name s roberto brian
[59:00] and time chief-of-police for
[59:01] fayetteville police department
[59:05] and here to present our third
[59:09] quarter report today.
[59:24] Here is our slide.
[59:24] Alright.
[59:27] As you'll see our third quarter
[59:29] report will cover JANUARY
[59:33] through SEPTEMBER of 2025.
[59:36] On our slide here will cover our
[59:38] crime tatistics and crime
[59:41] trends and our fighting, crime
[59:42] fighting strategies and
[59:45] community engagement.
[59:48] As you'll see on this slide here
[59:50] in terms of what we're doing as
[59:53] a department, total crime is
[59:58] down by over 10% and our arrests
[1:00:03] are also down by just under one
[1:00:03] percent
[1:00:04] percent.
[1:00:09] you can see our crime is down,
[1:00:10] as well as person's crimes and
[1:00:12] property crimes and we continue
[1:00:16] to move in the downward trend.
[1:00:21] As you'll see violent crime by
[1:00:24] far, the elephant in the room is
[1:00:25] our homicides.
[1:00:27] At the beginning of the year we
[1:00:30] were hit pretty hard with those
[1:00:32] incidents that took place and so
[1:00:34] far we're continuing to trend
[1:00:36] down but because of that spike
[1:00:38] in the beginning of the year
[1:00:42] we're still up at 68 percent but
[1:00:44] if you look at the rest of the
[1:00:49] part one crimes, those are all
[1:00:51] down double-digits so we're
[1:00:54] still being able to come ahead
[1:00:58] and turn to those numbers.
[1:01:02] As you'll see here, our homicide
[1:01:10] unit where we have 3 incidents.
[1:01:14] 34 omicides and you'll see our
[1:01:16] overdoses and suicides.
[1:01:18] >> 32 homicides, right?
[1:01:21] I want to make sure the press
[1:01:24] got that MR. Duffy.
[1:01:26] Not 34.
[1:01:27] Got it.
[1:01:28] >> so one of the things that I
[1:01:30] want to make sure too that we
[1:01:31] understand in terms of what
[1:01:35] we're looking at in terms of our
[1:01:37] homicide department and unit
[1:01:38] they are doing an exceptional
[1:01:41] job in terms of when we have the
[1:01:43] national rate for clearances
[1:01:47] about 58 percent our current
[1:01:49] assistance is 87.5 and we
[1:01:52] recently attended the
[1:01:53] international association of the
[1:01:57] chief of police and they had
[1:01:59] other homicide units that were
[1:02:01] ranting about their numbers and
[1:02:01] -
[1:02:02] their numbers were not as good
[1:02:05] as or, so I would complend our
[1:02:08] homicide units to be able to
[1:02:10] solve these crimes and put these
[1:02:12] with a bad actors in jail in
[1:02:14] terms of what we're able to do
[1:02:17] here in the city of
[1:02:18] fayetteville.
[1:02:20] >> MR. Mayor can we ask
[1:02:21] questions as we go or you want
[1:02:24] to wait to the end?
[1:02:25] >> thank you.
[1:02:29] I'll come back to you.
[1:02:32] >> also I want to specify in
[1:02:35] terms of the homicides we have
[1:02:38] about ten of these incidents
[1:02:43] were domestic and 18 were known
[1:02:44] individuals that knew each other
[1:02:47] so none of these are random in
[1:02:49] terms of random crimes.
[1:02:51] These are all individuals that
[1:02:54] no each other or have some type
[1:02:57] of relationship rior to.
[1:02:59] Regarding our domestic these are
[1:03:00] our numbers.
[1:03:03] We are trending down in terms of
[1:03:07] those numbers, as well and we
[1:03:11] continue to work with the center
[1:03:14] to make sure victims that are in
[1:03:17] these toxic relationships
[1:03:19] receive the assistance they need
[1:03:20] to get out of that situation and
[1:03:22] that we encourage and do
[1:03:24] everything we can to go ahead
[1:03:25] for them to press charges
[1:03:28] against those abusers.
[1:03:30] >> chief before you go into this
[1:03:31] one.
[1:03:32] Council member thompson?
[1:03:33] >> he answered the question.
[1:03:35] I didn't know what the break
[1:03:37] down of the homicides.
[1:03:41] Were they domestic or acts of
[1:03:44] dye violence, he answered that.
[1:03:49] >> alright chief.Violence, he answered that.
[1:03:51] >> alright chief.
[1:03:54] This is our shot spotter.
[1:03:55] 340 alerts.
[1:03:57] That breaks down by district and
[1:04:00] the shell casings that are also
[1:04:03] recovered in each district.
[1:04:07] Guns and also, arrests resulting
[1:04:10] in those shot spot alerts.
[1:04:11] I think one of the questions
[1:04:14] that came about last friday in
[1:04:16] terms of when we have the
[1:04:17] arrests out of the 14 we've had
[1:04:19] or during this period you are
[1:04:22] talking about 13 out of the 14
[1:04:24] of these arrests were weapons
[1:04:27] recovered or related to a weapon
[1:04:29] so that's the numbers in terms
[1:04:33] of the request that we had on
[1:04:40] friday.
[1:04:45] Next slide is our shot spotter
[1:04:46] dashboard that any citizen here
[1:04:48] in fayetteville or anywhere can
[1:04:51] go on the our website and you
[1:04:52] can see these numbers.
[1:04:54] What I will also make sure that
[1:04:57] everyone understands, these
[1:05:00] numbers are continuously
[1:05:02] fluctuating as when we have an
[1:05:04] analyst that can provide
[1:05:04] additional information.
[1:05:06] One of the questions that came
[1:05:08] up recently is regarding blanks
[1:05:11] and as you see up there, it
[1:05:13] shows like 246 so currently
[1:05:15] we're working with I.T. And
[1:05:17] members of their team with our
[1:05:20] team to figure out a better
[1:05:23] category in terms of blanks so
[1:05:24] it won't answer or raise
[1:05:27] questions regarding what is
[1:05:27] blank.
[1:05:29] Now I'd like to give you an
[1:05:31] example of what we're talking
[1:05:34] about blank in terms of I'll
[1:05:38] give you an example.
[1:05:40] This scenario here.
[1:05:43] We have, this was last thursday
[1:05:47] about 9:30 last night.
[1:05:49] All of our commanders.
[1:05:52] We have this on our app on our
[1:05:53] phone.
[1:05:54] When we get an alert this is
[1:05:56] what we experience and this is
[1:06:07] what we hear.
[1:06:07] >> wow.
[1:06:11] >> I'll play that one more time.
[1:06:12] Listen.
[1:06:14] Right after you heard the last
[1:06:25] shot tell me what you hear.
[1:06:25] >> car.
[1:06:27] >> thank you.
[1:06:30] that's what we hear.
[1:06:34] This call we responded to.
[1:06:38] There was no 911 call.
[1:06:40] There were no witnesses.
[1:06:43] There were no victims.
[1:06:44] >> thank GOD.
[1:06:48] >> but officers responded and
[1:06:51] recovered shell casings.
[1:06:54] That is categorized as a blank
[1:06:58] until we're able to tie those
[1:07:01] casings to an incident or to
[1:07:03] another case.
[1:07:06] That is what shot spotter does.
[1:07:08] And that's what we're alking
[1:07:11] about when we're talking about
[1:07:13] 80 percent of the alerts are
[1:07:18] those that are coming without a
[1:07:21] 911 call ut we're still able to
[1:07:22] gather something so we can move
[1:07:24] forward with an investigation.
[1:07:27] It might not happen today or
[1:07:29] next month, months from now but
[1:07:31] usually we're able to tie it up
[1:07:34] and then we're able to kind of
[1:07:35] piece together where those shell
[1:07:38] casings are with other incidents
[1:07:40] that MAY occur in or around the
[1:07:41] city.
[1:07:45] >> chief, I did have two
[1:07:45] questions.
[1:07:46] I guess council member benavente
[1:07:48] changed his perspective.
[1:07:50] >> you applied t to him so you
[1:07:51] can apply it to me.
[1:07:53] >> that's right.
[1:07:56] >> chief brian I appreciate the
[1:07:57] example.
[1:08:00] How often do you guys review the
[1:08:04] sounds of those, I guess 200
[1:08:08] blanks or how many was it?
[1:08:08] >> 246.
[1:08:11] We do every single one of them.
[1:08:14] We have an, analyst assigned to
[1:08:17] listen to every single call and
[1:08:19] categorize them and they put in
[1:08:21] the notes whatever notes the
[1:08:23] field MAY have and this is one
[1:08:24] of the things that we want to
[1:08:27] make sure we educate the public
[1:08:27] on.
[1:08:29] this is not something that's
[1:08:31] happening right away because our
[1:08:34] analysts have to go through
[1:08:36] reports and listen to these
[1:08:37] sounds, and if any additional
[1:08:39] information comes back from our
[1:08:42] casings to be able to connect to
[1:08:44] another case then there being
[1:08:46] able to connect that particular
[1:08:48] casing or incident back to
[1:08:49] another case.
[1:08:50] >> chief I understand that if
[1:08:53] you find casings you can do that
[1:08:56] but I'm saying of the 246
[1:09:00] examples, what window of this?
[1:09:03] JANUARY to this day?
[1:09:04] >> correct.
[1:09:09] >> how many of those have been
[1:09:10] reviewed?
[1:09:16] >> as you'll see they are being
[1:09:16] reviewed.
[1:09:17] >> so someone has listened to
[1:09:19] all of those recordings and you
[1:09:22] are still unable to categorize
[1:09:24] them when listening to them?
[1:09:28] >> it's not about listening but
[1:09:31] whether or not we recovered
[1:09:33] witnesses or casings or
[1:09:35] something that we can come up to
[1:09:36] tie that particular incident.
[1:09:39] >> you were there when the
[1:09:42] wilson center talked to us about
[1:09:44] why they were not able to give
[1:09:48] us as good a feedback as
[1:09:49] charlotte and durham and one of
[1:09:54] the reasons was the spotty way
[1:09:56] we collect data and the reason
[1:09:58] I'm concerned about the blanks
[1:10:01] is we're not actually asking the
[1:10:04] questions to give I believe a
[1:10:07] transparent and thorough program
[1:10:09] to what this does and does not
[1:10:11] do because I know it will be a
[1:10:13] chief to say only the good
[1:10:15] things but I really need
[1:10:15] somebody.
[1:10:17] Maybe the city manager or
[1:10:19] somebody else to tell us what
[1:10:20] are the pros and the cons
[1:10:22] because if you can't be I guess
[1:10:22] -
[1:10:24] fair in your assessment to say
[1:10:27] these are times when the shot
[1:10:30] spotter showed it was a power
[1:10:32] tool or this was a time when the
[1:10:35] shot spotter showed another loud
[1:10:36] noise because I've heard that
[1:10:38] from members of the team but I
[1:10:40] never hear it in public when
[1:10:42] it's time to be a countable to
[1:10:44] the citizens that want to know
[1:10:47] the good, bad and ugly with
[1:10:49] money that we're spending when
[1:10:50] you said homicides.
[1:10:53] It's known people, domestic
[1:10:56] situations and the things police
[1:10:58] will never be able to do
[1:11:00] anything about but if we start
[1:11:02] to help these people we
[1:11:03] eliminate those kinds of
[1:11:05] conflict but you are aying no
[1:11:07] we need the money for the
[1:11:08] microphones.
[1:11:10] Tell us good and the bad and the
[1:11:10] ugly.
[1:11:13] All 246 of those you heard and
[1:11:15] confirm they are indeed gunshot?
[1:11:18] >> no they are still being
[1:11:18] reviewed.
[1:11:19] >> so when you pick out one you
[1:11:22] give the impression that's how
[1:11:24] it happened all 246 times and
[1:11:25] that's not honest.
[1:11:28] >> what we're talking about is
[1:11:31] that specific incident but if
[1:11:32] you look at the MISS
[1:11:34] Classification by type we're
[1:11:37] showing you there's a false
[1:11:40] positive or three MISS Located
[1:11:41] shots, as well.
[1:11:41] >> what were those?
[1:11:45] >> I can tell you in terms of if
[1:11:46] it's a alse positive it was not
[1:11:47] a gunshot?
[1:11:49] >> what was it then?
[1:11:51] >> I couldn't tell you what it
[1:11:52] is but I can tell you with us
[1:11:53] anoint gunshot.
[1:11:55] >> when you ant to gragg about
[1:11:58] the one time that it sounds
[1:12:00] dramatic and avoid showing us a
[1:12:03] power tool that might sound
[1:12:04] similar so you can imagine the
[1:12:07] question marks other cities have
[1:12:09] come to saying are we getting
[1:12:10] what we pay for?
[1:12:13] We have independent people
[1:12:14] without skin in the game that
[1:12:17] want to paint things in a
[1:12:21] particular light.
[1:12:22] They say 23 percent of the time
[1:12:24] and then you come back and say
[1:12:25] it is 99 percent of the time
[1:12:27] when I think of who's going to
[1:12:29] be honest about t is's going to
[1:12:32] be the independent evaluators
[1:12:35] without skin in the game.
[1:12:40] >> COUNCILMAN Let's keep this in
[1:12:42] an in quiztive way and not
[1:12:43] accuse or the way.
[1:12:48] >> a little bit where I differ,
[1:12:55] chief, I'm happy out of what
[1:12:57] ever the number.
[1:13:00] But the 246?
[1:13:03] Out of the 246, as I have stated
[1:13:11] from the very beginning of using
[1:13:13] every helpful tool in our
[1:13:16] arsenal to support the fight
[1:13:18] against crime and these
[1:13:18] shootings.
[1:13:19] And whatever this was.
[1:13:20] I'm proud of that.
[1:13:26] I'm roud of the one.
[1:13:31] I who know it's more but this
[1:13:34] particular incident on southern
[1:13:36] avenue there were some shells,
[1:13:38] and if it wasn't for shot
[1:13:41] spotter you said that there
[1:13:45] where you say no assistance of a
[1:13:47] 911 call with this, so I do
[1:13:49] support that and I'm thankful
[1:13:55] for that.
[1:13:58] If we can help shut down one I'm
[1:14:00] thankful to have that tool.
[1:14:03] Now my question also because you
[1:14:05] said if there are shells and
[1:14:07] thing as long that line
[1:14:08] especially with this particular
[1:14:10] case that you found some shells,
[1:14:13] do you all also and this is
[1:14:16] probably a little crazy
[1:14:17] question, but do ou also look
[1:14:21] for fingerprints on those?
[1:14:23] >> they will do a full analysis
[1:14:24] of everything that they can go
[1:14:27] ahead and recover from any shell
[1:14:28] casings that they recover.
[1:14:31] >> so that's nother part of a
[1:14:33] help with the shot spotter for
[1:14:37] this arsenal in the tool box.
[1:14:40] Not only can we get the shells
[1:14:44] but we can also get any possible
[1:14:45] fingerprints.
[1:14:46] >> that's correct.
[1:14:47] >> council member thompson?
[1:14:50] >> thank you MR. Mayor and thank
[1:14:51] you chief.
[1:14:54] I just want to regurgitate
[1:14:56] something I heard chief braeyden
[1:14:58] speaking of while he was the
[1:15:01] chief and I'm glad to see him in
[1:15:02] the back row back there.
[1:15:04] He was trained on what a gunshot
[1:15:06] sounds like and I know that all
[1:15:07] of your officers are trained
[1:15:09] because they hear it all the
[1:15:12] time so I know they know the
[1:15:13] difference between what a
[1:15:16] gunshot and a power drill is so
[1:15:18] I'm thankful for the work that
[1:15:20] they've done and the comment
[1:15:23] made about shady work I trust
[1:15:26] and believe that our officers
[1:15:27] are doing everything.
[1:15:30] >> the term was shotty.
[1:15:32] >> whatever the determination
[1:15:33] you used.
[1:15:36] I know our officers are truthful
[1:15:40] and faithful and obligated to
[1:15:41] protect the citizens.
[1:15:44] >> don't MISS Quote me.
[1:15:47] >> you can press your button the
[1:15:49] you want to.
[1:15:50] Sorry.
[1:15:51] COUNCILMAN Benavente it's not
[1:15:52] your turn.
[1:15:54] I'll come back to you.
[1:15:55] I said t was council member
[1:15:56] thompson and myself and then
[1:16:00] press your button.
[1:16:01] chief, thank you.
[1:16:03] >> thank you for that.
[1:16:05] What I'll say is this.
[1:16:07] There's two things you
[1:16:08] mentioned.
[1:16:12] One I know the gifts started off
[1:16:14] tough for us and I think during
[1:16:16] your first quarter presentation
[1:16:17] I was looking for it when you
[1:16:19] did the year-to-year comparison
[1:16:22] it was like 300 plus, percent so
[1:16:24] it's declined significantly.
[1:16:26] Do you remember what we were at
[1:16:28] the second quarter or like out
[1:16:30] of those 32, how many came the
[1:16:33] first three or four months, do
[1:16:37] you know?
[1:16:40] >> I know it was a lt.
[1:16:41] You're right.
[1:16:43] Over 300 percent.
[1:16:46] >> so it's got a pretty sharp
[1:16:47] decline.
[1:16:50] It was like 25 the first three
[1:16:52] or four month?
[1:16:55] >> 366 was the percentage.
[1:16:58] At the time in terms of the
[1:16:59] comparison from 25 to 24.
[1:17:01] >> so it's decreased
[1:17:02] significantly for it to be 60
[1:17:05] percent and that's just a
[1:17:06] comparison to this time last
[1:17:07] year?
[1:17:09] >> that's correct.
[1:17:10] >>, so I wanted to highlight
[1:17:13] that because at some point the
[1:17:15] community took an assistance
[1:17:17] around APRIL or MAY when it was
[1:17:19] a ighlighted discussion and we
[1:17:22] can see that there has been a
[1:17:23] significant decrease so I'd ike
[1:17:26] to see that maybe on some other
[1:17:30] chart that trends t by month to
[1:17:32] show if there was a precipitous
[1:17:33] drop in it.
[1:17:35] Other part I want to highlight
[1:17:37] is I don't know about everybody
[1:17:42] but to me, when you hear 18
[1:17:45] shots or so, you know I grew up
[1:17:47] in a neighborhood where you hear
[1:17:49] that and sometimes they don't
[1:17:53] call 911 every time.
[1:17:58] 14 guns to be recovered that
[1:17:59] from one district.
[1:18:01] >> that's across all of them.
[1:18:04] >> for this quarterly from
[1:18:06] JANUARY to SEPTEMBER?
[1:18:07] >> correct.
[1:18:11] >> and nine arrests made in
[1:18:14] somehow connection to that?
[1:18:15] >> correct.
[1:18:17] >> I don't know how that's a bad
[1:18:18] thing.
[1:18:20] 14 more guns are off the street.
[1:18:22] The speed in where the shots
[1:18:25] came out did that seem like a
[1:18:26] regular semiautomatic.
[1:18:29] >> that was rapid fire.
[1:18:32] I wouldn't say
[1:18:35] casey my automatic.
[1:18:37] >> if you have shell casings and
[1:18:40] at some point you are matching
[1:18:42] these things to other incidents
[1:18:45] and you make arrests what would
[1:18:48] be helpful is if that place
[1:18:50] holder was not called blank to
[1:18:53] leave open to interpretation
[1:18:56] blanks or some unknown that
[1:18:58] maybe could rename that pending
[1:18:58] investigation.
[1:19:01] >> we're working right now ith
[1:19:02] members of the senior leadership
[1:19:06] team to develop a better
[1:19:07] category so that won't be there
[1:19:09] so we're going to do that and
[1:19:12] have that ready next quarter.
[1:19:14] >> right and the final thing
[1:19:17] I'll say before I go to council
[1:19:18] member benavente I'm sure the
[1:19:20] residents appreciated you
[1:19:23] showing up after they heard that
[1:19:25] and whether it leads to
[1:19:27] something today or tomorrow, I
[1:19:29] don't think this is a bad thing
[1:19:32] for you to have an extra tool to
[1:19:33] put you n the right path to
[1:19:37] show up and to respond, so I'm
[1:19:40] glad to hear you say that and
[1:19:42] look forward to hear more about
[1:19:43] it as we analyze the data and
[1:19:46] everything so I'll go to council
[1:19:46] member benavente.
[1:19:48] >> do have a question to
[1:19:48] clarify.
[1:19:50] But I wanted to make sure that I
[1:19:55] wasn't being misquoted by MR.
[1:19:55] Thompson.
[1:19:58] We had an independent evaluator
[1:20:00] say that the city of
[1:20:02] fayetteville was not bringing
[1:20:04] data that other cities were
[1:20:07] keeping and I used the term
[1:20:10] shotty to describe our lack of
[1:20:12] data keeping in line with our
[1:20:14] peer cities so you can be
[1:20:16] offended by that if you like but
[1:20:17] that's a simple fact that you
[1:20:19] have to accept.
[1:20:21] City attorney you provided me
[1:20:26] with arrest reports related to
[1:20:27] incidents around shot spotter.
[1:20:30] I'm counting more than four
[1:20:32] people hat were unarmed so when
[1:20:34] the chief-of-police ays out of
[1:20:37] the 14, 13 were gun related, how
[1:20:39] is that possible if I'm counting
[1:20:41] at least five that were unarmed
[1:20:44] people that had warrants but no
[1:20:45] firearms on their person when
[1:20:48] they were arrested with the shot
[1:20:49] spotter incident.
[1:20:51] >> that data came from the
[1:20:52] police department.
[1:20:54] >> okay.
[1:20:54] So chief?
[1:20:56] I don't know f you can get
[1:20:58] something on a slide so we'll
[1:20:59] have an official record.
[1:21:01] I know that you are saying 13
[1:21:04] out of 14 were gun related but
[1:21:07] an incident on old wilmington
[1:21:11] road says he was unarmed.
[1:21:12] They were unarmed.
[1:21:14] That on chesapeake road there
[1:21:16] was another individual that was
[1:21:18] unarmed who was arrested.
[1:21:21] I'm counting again more than
[1:21:22] just how many did you say were
[1:21:25] not firearm related?
[1:21:27] >> we have 14 subjects arrested
[1:21:30] and 13 out of 14 was with a
[1:21:30] weapon.
[1:21:31] >> okay.
[1:21:33] So I'll send you what the city
[1:21:35] attorney sent me so you can look
[1:21:36] over it.
[1:21:38] This is why wanted a slide
[1:21:41] included because I think we lose
[1:21:42] something in translation here
[1:21:44] and I want us to be accurate
[1:21:46] because I'm surprised by that
[1:21:47] number and I don't believe
[1:21:49] that's accurate and for us to
[1:21:52] say out loud that 13 out of 14
[1:21:55] of the guns happened, it sounds
[1:21:58] like the one from the recording
[1:22:00] you didn't get those folks yet.
[1:22:02] Is there more?
[1:22:03] >> there's many more.
[1:22:04] That's the thing.
[1:22:07] It is a long process and it's
[1:22:09] not one of those situation
[1:22:10] where's, because some of the
[1:22:14] alerts there's not any tres of
[1:22:16] evidence, so therefore, until we
[1:22:19] are able to work through each
[1:22:21] piece, you know we MAY get later
[1:22:24] on a video camera or someone
[1:22:25] providing information that will
[1:22:27] lead us to that car that sped
[1:22:28] off.
[1:22:31] That tag and then we're able to
[1:22:32] identify those individual, so it
[1:22:33] takes a while.
[1:22:36] >> that's why cities who have
[1:22:39] implemented this program
[1:22:41] responsibly will keep hat data
[1:22:42] for the folks in he white
[1:22:44] shirts to review but they don't
[1:22:47] put it in the vehicle so there's
[1:22:49] unintended consequence of
[1:22:51] officers oing into a situation
[1:22:53] hot because we have someone that
[1:22:55] lost their life while in custody
[1:22:57] the first day we turned on shot
[1:23:00] spotter and something we
[1:23:03] conveniently refuse to talking
[1:23:03] about.
[1:23:06] At some point we have to be more
[1:23:09] honest about this technology and
[1:23:10] be not just cheerleaders without
[1:23:13] any deference of what community
[1:23:15] members have shared with us.
[1:23:17] One thing I guess we're not
[1:23:19] hearing it on NOVEMBER first is
[1:23:23] that there are citizens in these
[1:23:24] areas that don't want shot
[1:23:27] spotter and there's legitimate
[1:23:30] reasons why but nobody on this
[1:23:33] council will give people a voice
[1:23:36] because they are stuck on the
[1:23:42] cop propaganda the boot licking.
[1:23:44] >> I'd like to make a motion to
[1:23:45] receive the report.
[1:23:47] >> I think we have more to get
[1:23:47] to.
[1:23:51] Is the manager's button pushd?
[1:23:52] Yes ma'am?
[1:23:58] >> if I MAY add steph heard the
[1:24:00] comments from council after this
[1:24:03] study the rsults were published
[1:24:04] and chief bryant did mention
[1:24:08] that we have a
[1:24:12] ssembled a working
[1:24:16] group and we are working to
[1:24:19] close hose gaps in our data and
[1:24:22] working to try to come up with a
[1:24:24] better and more consistent
[1:24:26] framework that tracks the
[1:24:28] performance of shot spotter and
[1:24:30] the impacts of the community on
[1:24:33] our investigations and how that
[1:24:34] data affects our community so we
[1:24:36] hear you and we're working on
[1:24:36] it.
[1:24:39] >> thank you for that update.
[1:24:44] I'll come back to you COUNCILMAN
[1:24:45] Council member mcnair.
[1:24:47] >> I'll try to get through
[1:24:48] these.
[1:24:49] This is collaboration with our
[1:24:51] federal partners and the results
[1:24:52] of these working with our
[1:24:54] federal partners here you will
[1:24:57] see the amount of federally
[1:24:59] indicted individuals that have
[1:25:02] been arrested and seizures, as
[1:25:08] well as firearms and currency
[1:25:11] ceased.
[1:25:14] At this time you'll see the
[1:25:17] numbers regarding our group a
[1:25:18] crimes in terms of the
[1:25:20] percentage and again you'll see
[1:25:22] the numbers are all down except
[1:25:26] for robbery whether which is up
[1:25:30] 1.2 percent but we're almost
[1:25:31] double-digit on all the
[1:25:33] categories in terms of our
[1:25:34] property crimes.
[1:25:37] Here we have our numbers
[1:25:39] regarding our juveniles from
[1:25:42] JANUARY through SEPTEMBER 25th.
[1:25:44] One of the questions that also
[1:25:46] what we were trying to do is
[1:25:49] provide some insight in total
[1:25:51] incident charges from 24 to 25
[1:25:56] and we're up about almost 17%
[1:26:00] reflective on this slide here.
[1:26:03] The most pressing issue that we
[1:26:06] see here right now is the
[1:26:08] robbery where it has almost
[1:26:11] doubled in terms of from 24 to
[1:26:16] 25 with increase of 106 percent.
[1:26:18] So we're tackling that's a much
[1:26:22] as we can in terms of those
[1:26:25] involved in the juveniles.
[1:26:28] Next here you'll see by quarter
[1:26:32] the field contacts and incident
[1:26:39] reports that we've had.
[1:26:43] Again assaults is high in the
[1:26:45] numbers in terms of what we're
[1:26:50] looking at across the board.
[1:26:53] Lastly these are slides
[1:26:56] pertaining to the juvenile
[1:26:58] protective order.
[1:27:00] Here it goes from 11:00 P.M. To
[1:27:01] 6:00 P.M..
[1:27:04] The field contacts and incident
[1:27:05] reports associated with these
[1:27:08] and the total charges.
[1:27:10] >> can I ask a question about
[1:27:20] the slide?
[1:27:20] Haire?
[1:27:22] >> thank you mayor.
[1:27:25] It was of so much on these
[1:27:26] particular slide, so if this is
[1:27:28] not the time let me know and
[1:27:31] I'll get it later.
[1:27:35] During our F.Y. 25 budget we
[1:27:38] discussed some things that we
[1:27:40] were looking for.
[1:27:45] there was a request for more
[1:27:47] speed centuries, our cameras
[1:27:49] that we're were looking at and
[1:27:52] other forms of technology but
[1:27:53] especially those too because
[1:27:55] that's something I speak about a
[1:27:57] lot during my community
[1:27:58] meetings.
[1:28:00] I did receive a message that I
[1:28:01] don't know if they said the
[1:28:05] speed centuries were in or
[1:28:08] close, I won't even try to say
[1:28:09] this.
[1:28:11] If you would, could you give us
[1:28:15] if this is the time on where we
[1:28:18] stand with the speed century and
[1:28:21] our new camera technology that
[1:28:23] we were asking for?
[1:28:24] >> yes.
[1:28:25] Yes, sir.
[1:28:27] Sorry, I can provide some of
[1:28:29] that information in terms.
[1:28:31] We're going in a phased process
[1:28:33] in terms of technology.
[1:28:34] Right now one of the first
[1:28:36] priorities is upgrading our
[1:28:37] server room which has taken
[1:28:40] place and now we're in the
[1:28:43] process of obtaining several
[1:28:46] software whether artificial
[1:28:48] intelligence but also we have
[1:28:51] looked into the energy tries
[1:28:53] with entries based on requests
[1:28:55] from city council members
[1:28:56] throughout the city but we're
[1:28:58] also obtaining more and we're
[1:29:00] going to get some more for the
[1:29:02] school zones in terms of being
[1:29:05] able to have those deployable
[1:29:06] all throughout the school zones,
[1:29:07] as well.
[1:29:08] >> and thank you for that
[1:29:11] because I did get some
[1:29:14] deployments out in the summer
[1:29:16] hill community but I was talking
[1:29:18] about the additional ones and
[1:29:19] we're not there yet.
[1:29:22] >> we're not there yet.
[1:29:23] We have received the quotes but
[1:29:27] we have not pushed the button to
[1:29:28] pick out which one we'll take.
[1:29:32] >> the ones that are coming, is
[1:29:33] there any additional data that
[1:29:35] it will be bringing?
[1:29:38] Or is it some of what we're
[1:29:39] already getting or is anything
[1:29:41] new going to be an attached?
[1:29:43] >> with that but also we have
[1:29:45] our license plate readers that
[1:29:45] are critical.
[1:29:48] >> that's what I mean.
[1:29:50] >> so we're also doing that as
[1:29:52] well throughout the city to
[1:29:53] broad energy our footprint and
[1:29:56] that's one of the things that I
[1:29:59] would say that we lack in terms
[1:30:02] of our dispersement of cameras
[1:30:03] throughout the city.
[1:30:05] I came from fayetteville state
[1:30:05] -
[1:30:08] where we had 80 cameras on that
[1:30:10] small campus.
[1:30:11] City here is more.
[1:30:13] We have work to do and we're
[1:30:15] moving it up and we'll continue
[1:30:18] to move forward so we can be
[1:30:19] utilizing the technology where
[1:30:20] we don't have the personnel to
[1:30:21] do that.
[1:30:23] >> we'll be glad to get them
[1:30:25] because our resident dos ask
[1:30:26] about them and then of course
[1:30:27] I'll bring it back to you.
[1:30:30] Thank you mayor.
[1:30:31] >> council member benavente?
[1:30:34] >> I'm trying to understand the
[1:30:35] curfew 11-6.
[1:30:36] Juvenile crime.
[1:30:38] This is number 13.
[1:30:41] Are you saying that of that
[1:30:46] total number from quarter three,
[1:30:48] are those instances where you
[1:30:50] approach and young person for
[1:30:51] violating curfew?
[1:30:53] Or are these instances that
[1:30:55] occurred in the window of time?
[1:30:57] >> these are instance that
[1:30:59] happen in the window of time.
[1:31:03] Have there been anytimes where
[1:31:05] the youth curfew was the
[1:31:06] impetuous for an interaction
[1:31:07] -
[1:31:07] with a young person?
[1:31:10] >> sir, I will tell you that
[1:31:12] most of the ime that we
[1:31:14] approach these young people,
[1:31:17] we're looking at some other type
[1:31:18] of crime associated with it.
[1:31:20] >> that makes sense to me.
[1:31:22] My concern was that you have
[1:31:23] enough serious stuff going on
[1:31:27] during the hours that a curfew
[1:31:30] at best is redundant and at
[1:31:31] worse creates this interaction
[1:31:35] with citizen, so when you heard
[1:31:37] someone might not be 18, I think
[1:31:38] you are busy with real stuff
[1:31:40] that you don't have to really
[1:31:42] worry about that potential but
[1:31:43] was there anytime where the
[1:31:46] youth curfew, we talk about the
[1:31:49] tools we like to give you.
[1:31:50] Did you utilize that tool?
[1:31:53] >> that's not one we'll utilize
[1:31:55] as the first option?
[1:31:58] >> have you used it thus far at
[1:31:58] all?
[1:31:58] >> no.
[1:32:00] >> that's all I have.
[1:32:02] >> council member thompson?
[1:32:03] >> thank you mayor and chief.
[1:32:06] I have a question about the
[1:32:09] juvenile s
[1:32:12] juveniles for motor vehicles.
[1:32:14] Is there a shift changing
[1:32:16] because now the robberies are
[1:32:17] going up?
[1:32:19] What ype of robberies are we
[1:32:20] talking about?
[1:32:22] >> they can be common law
[1:32:25] robberies and usually they
[1:32:29] threaten intimidation so that's
[1:32:31] considered robbery verses
[1:32:33] larceny but those are the ones
[1:32:34] that are going in there.
[1:32:36] It's hard to say based on we're
[1:32:38] still early on into this
[1:32:40] collecting data so it will take
[1:32:44] time for us to show what impact
[1:32:47] that we're actually having
[1:32:49] regarding the protective order
[1:32:51] so it will take time for us to
[1:32:53] go ahead and start looking at
[1:32:54] the numbers and see the impact
[1:32:56] we're having in terms of
[1:32:57] juvenile crime.
[1:32:58] >> thank you chief.
[1:33:02] >> I did have a question.
[1:33:05] Are the juvenile assaults
[1:33:07] include what happens at a
[1:33:08] school?
[1:33:09] >> that's correct sr.
[1:33:12] >> so that number is all
[1:33:13] encompassing of school activity
[1:33:14] where things like that can
[1:33:14] happen?
[1:33:17] >> that's correct.
[1:33:19] We have another slide here that
[1:33:22] will show those events, as well.
[1:33:25] This next slide is in
[1:33:27] collaboration with director john
[1:33:31] jones office of community safety
[1:33:34] as you'll see here we have done
[1:33:35] numerous collaborations where we
[1:33:38] reach out on 32 calls for
[1:33:40] unhoused community where they
[1:33:43] have helped us out and they
[1:33:44] require two professional staff
[1:33:46] on their team now that was
[1:33:48] working on some of the item has
[1:33:51] the the officer community safety
[1:33:52] will be assisting in now and we
[1:33:55] continue to support them in any
[1:33:57] events they MAY have, as well so
[1:33:59] I know director jones will have
[1:34:01] a more comprehensive report for
[1:34:04] you all later on but I want to
[1:34:05] highlight some of the
[1:34:06] collaboration we've started with
[1:34:11] the office of community safety.
[1:34:13] Here's the calls starting AUGUST
[1:34:16] 25th through SEPTEMBER 0th
[1:34:18] where you see the calls for
[1:34:21] service with 267 with 95
[1:34:24] incident reports that goes back
[1:34:26] to our full comprehensive
[1:34:26] report.
[1:34:28] This is what has taken place at
[1:34:31] the schools and currently we're
[1:34:34] at 14 certified sro's and we'll
[1:34:37] move that number to 18 in
[1:34:37] JANUARY.
[1:34:38] >> great.
[1:34:41] >> here's our vice suppression
[1:34:44] for narcotics.
[1:34:49] As you see our fentanyl, we had
[1:34:51] to correct the slide.
[1:34:54] Our actual fentanyl seizure was
[1:34:58] 4.71 and we're up to 19 kilos at
[1:35:01] this time and I think we've
[1:35:04] explained to you the impact that
[1:35:07] a small of fentanyl can have on
[1:35:09] a city.
[1:35:12] These are numbers for our 911
[1:35:12] dispatch.
[1:35:15] Here you see there's 135
[1:35:19] thousand 900 calls with fire and
[1:35:22] them for total of 153,000.
[1:35:23] Also you'll see on the slide
[1:35:27] here is the admin. Calls the
[1:35:32] dispatch center has for over
[1:35:34] 292,000 calls.
[1:35:35] >> wow.
[1:35:37] >> traffic enforcement.
[1:35:38] I want to touch base as you see
[1:35:42] these numbers here.
[1:35:45] At every community meeting any
[1:35:48] encounter I have with a citizen,
[1:35:52] their concerns are speeding,
[1:35:53] careless and recklessness and
[1:35:55] folks driving through the red
[1:35:56] light.
[1:35:57] These are the results of these
[1:36:01] that we see in the city.
[1:36:03] And the only way that we're
[1:36:05] going to be able to change this
[1:36:09] behavior is by enforcement and
[1:36:31] you'll see this is a moving
[1:36:33] violations and non-moving
[1:36:34] violations.
[1:36:37] Very important for us to enforce
[1:36:43] both of those.
[1:36:44] Here council member benavente
[1:36:49] was asked to show and you see
[1:36:52] we're up almost,000 total
[1:36:59] stops from JANUARY to 2025.
[1:37:01] This is a break down by
[1:37:04] demographics as you'll see the
[1:37:18] numbers.
[1:37:20] Also you see the numbers in
[1:37:22] terms of searches for 2024 even
[1:37:25] though the number has raised
[1:37:28] from 24 to 25, you'll notice the
[1:37:31] percentage is literally almost
[1:37:32] same.
[1:37:33] 3.47 percent.
[1:37:36] Exactly the same in terms of
[1:37:42] vehicle searches.
[1:37:45] >> chief just to clarify my
[1:37:45] request.
[1:37:47] The data that's not compared
[1:37:51] appropriately I think you did an
[1:37:53] accurate job on slide 22 when
[1:37:55] you show the disparity between
[1:37:57] white drivers being stopped and
[1:37:59] it being double but the more
[1:38:02] dramatic number is the number of
[1:38:03] searches.
[1:38:05] I think a bar graph showcasing
[1:38:17] the difference between looks
[1:38:21] like 873 is a dramatic
[1:38:23] difference is what's concerning
[1:38:24] to people so that's the graph
[1:38:27] that I feel is not presented
[1:38:30] here.
[1:38:32] It is a dramatically different
[1:38:33] number.
[1:38:34] >> we'll go to the next slide
[1:38:35] that you are seeing.
[1:38:38] You saw that percentage so this
[1:38:40] is the results of these
[1:38:41] searches, as well.
[1:38:43] In terms of what we're able to
[1:38:53] size and drugs and weapons.
[1:38:56] About 40 percent and vehicle
[1:38:59] results rom 24 and 2025 we're
[1:39:02] up 61 percent in terms of
[1:39:06] seizures and also up in weapon
[1:39:10] seizures, as well.
[1:39:13] It's note-worthy for white
[1:39:16] drivers it's 60 percent when it
[1:39:17] comes to drugs.
[1:39:19] >> I'll show you the next slide.
[1:39:21] The vehicle stops you talk about
[1:39:22] the 102.
[1:39:28] We had one point 2% in 2024 we
[1:39:30] end up to 2%.
[1:39:32] In 25 but I'll let you see the
[1:39:34] next slide that shows a little
[1:39:36] correlation of what we're able
[1:39:43] to result so therefore, about 47
[1:39:47] percent and just over 18% of
[1:39:49] weapons among white drivers in
[1:39:51] 2024 but if you look to 2025 we
[1:39:54] have 60 percent in drugs and 12
[1:39:55] percent in weapons.
[1:39:57] >> I guess what I'm hoping that
[1:39:59] not only I hope to illustrate
[1:40:01] but in the book I shared with
[1:40:05] you and director john ones the
[1:40:10] research shows that black,
[1:40:13] white, asian, hispanic, once an
[1:40:14] officer says they appropriately
[1:40:17] need to be searched the
[1:40:19] likelihood of being some
[1:40:21] contraband is fairly equal
[1:40:22] across demographic, so the
[1:40:25] question becomes why is it that
[1:40:27] one group ends up being stopped
[1:40:29] so many times more when the
[1:40:30] ratios are fairly equal and I
[1:40:33] think the answer there is not
[1:40:35] necessarily your response built
[1:40:36] to resolve.
[1:40:39] I think you said something a
[1:40:40] moment ago.
[1:40:41] Changing behavior can only
[1:40:43] happen through enforcement and I
[1:40:44] think that's a huge MISS
[1:40:47] Statement because really
[1:40:48] infrastructure changes can
[1:40:50] change how fast someone is going
[1:40:52] down a street without there
[1:40:54] having to be an enforcement
[1:40:54] matter.
[1:40:56] How many times does a person
[1:40:58] have to get a speeding ticket
[1:40:59] before they never speed again in
[1:41:00] their lives.
[1:41:02] I don't think that's a limit.
[1:41:03] >> I'm saying it will never be
[1:41:06] the case that you are on every
[1:41:07] single street every time someone
[1:41:09] is speeding but we have to
[1:41:11] change the infrastructure at
[1:41:11] times.
[1:41:13] It's not just a behavior thing.
[1:41:16] >> sir, you can have an in for
[1:41:17] structure set up but if
[1:41:19] individuals continue to speed
[1:41:21] and feel they can speed without
[1:41:22] penalty they will.
[1:41:26] Doesn't matter infrastructure
[1:41:27] but when individuals believe
[1:41:29] hey, I'm going to get stopped
[1:41:31] and I don't want a fine or my
[1:41:33] insurance to go up or get
[1:41:35] arrested so there's part of that
[1:41:35] also.
[1:41:38] Not just infrastructure but
[1:41:39] enforcement.
[1:41:42] I will say that there s
[1:41:44] is some
[1:41:46] truth in terms of some of the
[1:41:49] locations that we'll have issues
[1:41:51] but I'll also firmly say that
[1:41:52] enforcement is what changes
[1:41:53] behavior.
[1:41:57] >> the last thing I'll ask is,
[1:41:59] and I feel like I get bad
[1:42:00] answers when ask this
[1:42:01] question.
[1:42:03] But when you see the disparity
[1:42:05] in the way that we conduct our
[1:42:08] stops and searches is it all a
[1:42:10] concern for you or do you have
[1:42:12] an interest in looking what
[1:42:13] other departments have done in
[1:42:15] other parts of the country that
[1:42:17] have no reduction in the number
[1:42:20] of guns they have recovered or
[1:42:25] the drugs on a, annual basis but
[1:42:28] have done something the way
[1:42:31] we're stopping disparities of
[1:42:31] stopping people.
[1:42:34] >> sir we have very much the
[1:42:36] interest in trying to do that.
[1:42:38] Unfortunately as I stated last
[1:42:40] we were at a conference last
[1:42:42] week and this is not just a
[1:42:43] fayetteville issue.
[1:42:46] This is north carolina,
[1:42:46] nation-wide.
[1:42:48] This is an issue but one thing I
[1:42:50] would like for you to understand
[1:42:53] and our citizens to understand
[1:42:55] is when we stop a vehicle, it's
[1:42:56] the violation.
[1:42:57] It's not because of the race of
[1:42:59] the person that's in the car
[1:43:02] it's the violation that we stop.
[1:43:04] >> I trust that 100 percent but
[1:43:07] I'm saying when you see other
[1:43:09] industries ike schools that
[1:43:12] have shown that their rates of
[1:43:13] explosion for black students is
[1:43:16] higher and when you see
[1:43:19] hospitals the maternal health
[1:43:23] outcomes for black baders is
[1:43:23] disparate.
[1:43:26] We don't ask if they are racist
[1:43:27] anymore we just say we need to
[1:43:29] stop these outcomes from
[1:43:31] happening so let's ove fast
[1:43:32] first level of discussion.
[1:43:34] I don't care about proving we're
[1:43:37] doing something discriminatory
[1:43:39] or racially bias but the
[1:43:41] outcomes are indisputable.
[1:43:43] What are we going to do about it
[1:43:44] now?
[1:43:46] That doesn't require that you're
[1:43:47] doing something racially bias
[1:43:50] because the outcomes are that so
[1:43:55] what will we do bout it now?
[1:43:56] >> thank you council member
[1:43:56] benavente.
[1:43:58] Every time we get to this point
[1:44:02] it goes back to the money.
[1:44:02] -
[1:44:02] okay?
[1:44:05] So I think what would be helpful
[1:44:09] for me, because as we look at
[1:44:13] 25,000 stopped black drivers.
[1:44:15] 13 thousand white drivers this
[1:44:16] year, right?
[1:44:19] How many are for things like
[1:44:21] whatever prompted you to stop.
[1:44:23] Tags out, insurance out, lights
[1:44:24] not working.
[1:44:26] Registration didn't check out.
[1:44:29] Like is there a category that
[1:44:30] captures that number?
[1:44:33] Because we all know all the
[1:44:35] things that my colleague named
[1:44:37] are rooted in economics but
[1:44:40] nobody ever wants to get to the
[1:44:41] economic conversation.
[1:44:43] You had ten minutes to preach.
[1:44:46] So we have to talk about the
[1:44:46] economics.
[1:44:47] Right?
[1:44:49] And so it's easy for people who
[1:44:51] have never walked this path to
[1:44:53] tell everybody what they need to
[1:44:55] do and haven't lived in
[1:44:55] neighborhood where's 18 shots
[1:44:59] have been fired and all of those
[1:45:02] things but do you have a way to
[1:45:03] extract out the basis of the
[1:45:05] call that showed whether this is
[1:45:07] a call based on lapsed insurance
[1:45:11] or a call based on expired tags
[1:45:14] or something that we can
[1:45:16] contribute to a real problem?
[1:45:18] >> we can extrapolate that
[1:45:20] regarding non-moving violation
[1:45:22] and egulatory violations.
[1:45:24] >> that would be helpful because
[1:45:26] that's in this total number so
[1:45:29] you had it broken down with the
[1:45:31] green and red dots.
[1:45:34] You had just as many
[1:45:36] non-violating violations.
[1:45:38] Non-moving violations.
[1:45:40] So I would like to see that in a
[1:45:41] future report?
[1:45:43] >> currently I'm talking with
[1:45:45] our team and I.T. To try to
[1:45:48] develop a moore comprehensive
[1:45:51] way to show what you are all
[1:45:53] asking for in a matt manner
[1:45:55] that's easier to read and a
[1:45:57] little more lively because a lot
[1:45:59] of the data changes from day to
[1:45:59] day.
[1:46:03] >> I can as sure you that as the
[1:46:07] cuts are coming that the county
[1:46:08] commissioner held a meeting for
[1:46:09] that people are going to be
[1:46:11] faced with the choice of paying
[1:46:14] a bill or renewing insurance or
[1:46:17] paying a bill and renewing tag,
[1:46:19] so those kinds of things
[1:46:19] contribute of it.
[1:46:23] The mans is a part of it so I
[1:46:24] welcome those discussion but you
[1:46:26] have to talk about the eal
[1:46:27] underlying problem.
[1:46:28] Council member thompson?
[1:46:29] >> thank you MR. Myor.
[1:46:31] Chief I want to go at a
[1:46:33] different angle because ou did
[1:46:38] not talk about the sro's too
[1:46:38] much.
[1:46:40] What is ur requirement?
[1:46:41] I think our contract says we
[1:46:43] have to have so many by the end
[1:46:44] of JANUARY.
[1:46:45] >> 18.
[1:46:47] >> we're currently at 14.
[1:46:48] >> yes, sir.
[1:46:51] >> and what is our capacity for
[1:46:54] our
[1:46:56] ours, I think 62?
[1:46:59] >> it fluctuates daily.
[1:47:03] Every day, it is a constant
[1:47:04] revolving window in terms of
[1:47:09] that so it's about 65 positions,
[1:47:11] but it's constantly I think
[1:47:12] we're at 62.
[1:47:15] I think right now 62 right now
[1:47:20] in terms of our tc o.
[1:47:23] For MADAM Attorney, where are we
[1:47:25] getting our red light back in
[1:47:28] the lawsuit with wilmington and
[1:47:29] I believe speeds ago habit and
[1:47:31] we have to change that.
[1:47:33] If you know there's a light at a
[1:47:36] certain corner and you got a
[1:47:38] ticket there once before you
[1:47:39] will not speed there again.
[1:47:41] >> there's litigation from
[1:47:44] another jurisdiction pending.
[1:47:46] Council, you are welcome to
[1:47:47] reinstate it before that it will
[1:47:49] education is complete but you
[1:47:51] are at risk of being sued, as
[1:47:52] well.
[1:47:54] >> I wanted to wait until this
[1:47:56] was over before we tried to
[1:47:58] reinstate it but thank you
[1:47:58] chief.
[1:48:00] That was my questions.
[1:48:02] >> thank you, mayor.
[1:48:03] >> I'll continue.
[1:48:05] >> yeah and just for the sake of
[1:48:06] time we're going to let you
[1:48:08] continue and we'll catch the
[1:48:09] questions at the end.
[1:48:11] >> we'll break down in terms of
[1:48:12] the vehicle stops and the others
[1:48:16] that you also see the 2% kind of
[1:48:20] consistent from 24 to 25 well,
[1:48:22] and then the break down in terms
[1:48:25] of the others and those
[1:48:28] percentages related to it as you
[1:48:30] see in 2025 those percentages
[1:48:34] are also increasing in terms of
[1:48:39] drugs and weapons, as well.
[1:48:43] One of the topics that our team
[1:48:46] has discussed in terms of
[1:48:47] transparency wanted to I think
[1:48:50] in the yearly report we provide
[1:48:52] city council and the citizens
[1:48:54] here of fayetteville the numbers
[1:48:56] but I think that I want to be
[1:48:58] able to provide these numbers on
[1:49:02] a quarterly basis in terms of to
[1:49:04] alleviate perceptions out there
[1:49:07] that we do not police our
[1:49:10] officers when they are engaged
[1:49:13] in activity or unprofessionalism
[1:49:16] so what I ant to do on
[1:49:18] quarterlies is to highlight what
[1:49:20] we do in terms of when we
[1:49:22] receive these complaints and
[1:49:24] you'll see in erms of some of
[1:49:28] the citizens complaints you know
[1:49:31] our complaints are down compared
[1:49:31] to 2024.
[1:49:34] We have ore positive comments
[1:49:36] compared to 2024 and one of the
[1:49:38] things too that we want to also
[1:49:40] make sure that when we have our
[1:49:42] internal affairs doing their
[1:49:43] investigations and also, going
[1:49:48] to give what we have are our
[1:49:50] dispositions in terms of sustain
[1:49:52] minutes and exonerations and
[1:49:54] other violations than the
[1:49:56] complaint that was originally
[1:49:57] received and the next slide here
[1:49:59] will show you exactly in terms
[1:50:01] of what we're able to do.
[1:50:03] Of course based on the
[1:50:05] limitation that we have on hr
[1:50:07] but we want to give you when we
[1:50:09] do receive these complaints and
[1:50:11] what we're doing in terms of
[1:50:14] coaching and policy warnings and
[1:50:16] written reprimands and
[1:50:18] suspensions and demotions and
[1:50:20] dismissals and a lot of this
[1:50:22] started before I or arrived.
[1:50:24] Chief braeyden was very much
[1:50:26] involved in terms of making sure
[1:50:29] upholding policy and laws and
[1:50:31] making sure that these bad
[1:50:32] actors in the department are
[1:50:35] held to the standard and that
[1:50:37] they will be held you know to
[1:50:39] the law and make sure that they
[1:50:41] don't reflect badly on the rest
[1:50:43] of us out there trying to do the
[1:50:46] job in a professional manner
[1:50:48] every day.
[1:50:54] As you see here this is our
[1:50:56] developmental staff agent this
[1:50:57] time.
[1:50:59] We have 06 vacancies.
[1:51:01] Down about 40%.
[1:51:03] We have a
[1:51:04] numbers oming right now
[1:51:09] and we're hoping to be by 30,
[1:51:11] JANUARY, based on the numbers
[1:51:13] coming so, but like I said I'm
[1:51:15] going to take tips from achieve
[1:51:18] dove and see what they did to
[1:51:19] get those folk but to give you
[1:51:23] an example we can have 100
[1:51:23] applicants.
[1:51:26] Out of that 100 applicants we
[1:51:29] MAY qualify up to 50 that MAY
[1:51:31] make it through the first round
[1:51:33] of the backgrounds.
[1:51:36] Then ut of the that 50, we MAY
[1:51:38] end up with 25 that actually
[1:51:41] makes it to the academy.
[1:51:47] Out of that academy of 25, we're
[1:51:50] graduating about 12 so that's a
[1:51:50] challenge.
[1:51:52] >> you went from 100 to 12.
[1:51:55] >> that's a challenge.
[1:51:58] We don't have, you know,
[1:51:59] application pool of several
[1:52:00] hundred.
[1:52:01] We do not.
[1:52:02] You know?
[1:52:04] That's been the challenge, you
[1:52:05] know, because we're always
[1:52:07] constantly, you know, as you've
[1:52:10] seen in the other slides we're
[1:52:12] dismissing folks, as well.
[1:52:14] Those are new vacancies we have
[1:52:16] to make-up for.
[1:52:18] It's a safe constant ballot bull
[1:52:20] we're pushing to make this
[1:52:21] number and be successful by the
[1:52:25] end of this fiscal year.
[1:52:27] >> MR. Mayor?
[1:52:29] >> chief, I didn't have a
[1:52:31] question until you brought this
[1:52:31] -
[1:52:35] up and we were at the graduation
[1:52:37] and I can't remember how many
[1:52:39] was graduating but three had
[1:52:40] masters degrees.
[1:52:43] How did you get that pool?
[1:52:45] >> yes, sir.
[1:52:48] So we had, believe it or not, we
[1:52:50] have a pool of folks, matter of
[1:52:53] fact one of those that has the
[1:52:54] masters is actually working on
[1:52:55] their ph.D.
[1:52:58] We have highly educated and
[1:53:00] qualified individuals that want
[1:53:03] to do, some of them went to
[1:53:04] school formerly for accounting
[1:53:07] and then decide I want to really
[1:53:08] be a cop.
[1:53:10] They come in here and we'll take
[1:53:10] them.
[1:53:13] We can utilize that skill set so
[1:53:15] we have that.
[1:53:16] That's happening all across the
[1:53:19] nation folks want to come in and
[1:53:21] make a complete change and also,
[1:53:24] some of it is economy.
[1:53:25] You know you MAY ave
[1:53:27] individuals that MAY have had a
[1:53:28] career in a particular field and
[1:53:29] next thing you know that field
[1:53:33] is, you know, being utilized in
[1:53:35] terms of maybe ai is taking
[1:53:38] their job or robots so now they
[1:53:40] are coming and looking for other
[1:53:42] career field there's stable for
[1:53:44] them, for their family, with
[1:53:46] benefit and health insurance and
[1:53:47] everything else so those for
[1:53:49] people that we're targeting and
[1:53:50] hoping to keep.
[1:53:52] >> thank you MR. Mayor.
[1:53:53] >> mayor pro tem?
[1:57:38] >> thank you MR. Mayor.
[1:57:39] This is going to be our last
[1:57:40] time getting to discuss the
[1:57:43] quarterly report, so I hope that
[1:57:45] you get some more critical
[1:57:46] questions in the future from
[1:57:47] this council, because I know
[1:57:49] that over the past
[1:57:50] three-and-a-half almost four
[1:57:52] years I've been on council, I
[1:57:54] never often see anyone else on
[1:57:55] council asking questions to be
[1:57:57] critical of the report.
[1:58:01] And it's not critical in the
[1:58:02] sense of being critical, but
[1:58:04] iron sharpens iron and it's
[1:58:05] important for you to get more
[1:58:07] perspective on the data you're
[1:58:08] sharing from members of the
[1:58:09] community who have
[1:58:11] questions about the awesome
[1:58:15] power of government as it is
[1:58:16] exemplified through law
[1:58:16] enforcement.
[1:58:17] There's always going to be room
[1:58:19] and necessary space for these
[1:58:21] kinds of questions, but none of
[1:58:22] my concerns are coming from a
[1:58:24] place of disrespect for you or
[1:58:24] the work you do.
[1:58:27] I think about my father who is a
[1:58:29] soldier and me going to college
[1:58:31] and people saying nasty things
[1:58:35] about soldiers, right?
[1:58:39] And I was, like, that's not what
[1:58:43] soldiers do.
[1:58:44] Supporting the troops doesn't
[1:58:46] necessarily mean supporting
[1:58:46] everything the government sends
[1:58:49] them out to do, so my criticism
[1:58:50] is never of the folks doing the
[1:58:52] hard work behind the badge.
[1:58:55] That's why I go out to all the
[1:58:57] graduation ceremonies, because I
[1:58:58] want to inundate myself with the
[1:59:01] pride I see on everyone's faces
[1:59:03] to make sure my criticism is
[1:59:05] never personal but coming from a
[1:59:07] place of necessary professional
[1:59:07] concern.
[1:59:08] But a bigger concern that I have
[1:59:11] and this is where I really want
[1:59:14] to ask you, begging you,
[1:59:16] honestly, as I think a chief of
[1:59:18] very high integrity, you know
[1:59:19] this council and probably the
[1:59:22] council after this is going to
[1:59:25] very rubber-stamp thoughtlessly
[1:59:26] spend as much as you're going to
[1:59:27] ask for.
[1:59:28] It's going to be your
[1:59:29] responsibility to, I think, put
[1:59:32] some lines in the sand.
[1:59:34] I remember a previous chief
[1:59:36] saying that the starting salary
[1:59:38] for a new officer shouldn't be
[1:59:39] over six figures, that there
[1:59:43] needs to be some grit and
[1:59:44] tenacity built in whether or not
[1:59:47] you're really built or this
[1:59:49] job, but if you ask the city
[1:59:51] council for an enormous amount
[1:59:54] of money, they would say yes,
[1:59:56] ignoring the second and
[1:59:57] third-order harms that come when
[1:59:59] you put quantity over quality.
[2:00:02] That's just one example, sir, of
[2:00:03] the kinds of things you'll have
[2:00:03] to police yourself in, because
[2:00:06] we don't have a council that is
[2:00:08] going to put issues of equal
[2:00:10] justice, constitutional
[2:00:12] concerns, or fiscal
[2:00:12] responsibility --
[2:00:14] >> wrap it up, council member.
[2:00:16] >> because hey consider
[2:00:17] anything less than complete
[2:00:18] praise and worship to be
[2:00:20] anti-police, which it isn't.
[2:00:21] But that's who you've got to
[2:00:24] work with, so good luck.
[2:00:25] >> well, thank you.
[2:00:26] Thank you, council member
[2:00:29] benavente, thank you, chief,
[2:00:30] thank you to the citizens who
[2:00:32] decide who sit up here, so when
[2:00:34] they speak, that's what it is,
[2:00:35] so thank you for that.
[2:00:42] Council, I look to you for your
[2:00:43] vote.
[2:00:45] >> green.
[2:00:45] >> all right.
[2:00:47] All right, unanimous, motion to
[2:00:48] adjourn?
[2:00:49] >> all right.