He is going to give us our
invocation and commissioner ball
will lead us in the pledge of
allegiance.
If you would, please all stands.
>> it's an honedder and
privilege to be here ith you
all this morning.
It is good to give thanks to our
lord.
Let us pray.
Good morning, dear lord.
It's gratitude we gather this
morning in your presence seeking
your wisdom, seeking your
understanding and your patients
as deliberations are held and
choices are made.
And we reminded that we hold the
unique position of leadership
for which we do not take for
granted but in all humility use
and service o lift up all
people.
We ask you to guide us this day
and May we find comfort and
strength to your steadfast love
and commitment to us and we ask
you to bless all present here
this morning.
In your son's heavenly name,
amen.
>> please join me for the pledge
of allegiance.
>> I pledge the allegiance to
the flag of the united states of
america and to the republic for
which it stands, one nation,
under God, indivisible with
liberty and justice for all.
>> thank you.
>> the first is the adoption of
the minutes from the regular
meeting.
>> I make a motion.
>> Chair Davis: we have a motion
many
motion, is there a second.
Hearing none, all a
approved by
saying aye.
>> next are the administration
items.
We have ba-1 through ba-3.
Staff recommends approval of
those items.
>> so moved.
>> second.
>> Chair Davis: we have a motion
and a second for items ba-1
through 3.
Any discussion or comments?
Hearing none.
I'll approve by saying aye.
Aye.
It's unanimous.
>> next is archives and history.
Bc-1 and bc-2.
>> so moved.
>> Chair Davis: we have a
motion.
>> second.
>> motion and a second.
Any discussion on these items?
Hearing none.
All in favor signify by saying
aye.
Aye.
It's unanimous.
>> next we have the baldwin
regional area transit system.
Two items, bb-1 and bb-2.
Staff recommends approval of
those two items.
>> I'm trying to give
commissioner gruber a chance.
So moved.
>> Chair Davis: we got a motion.
Skip is going to second it.
>> I'll second it.
All in favor ay aye.
Aye.
Next is budget and purchasing.
We have seven items, be-1
through be7.
Staff recommends approval.
>> I make a motion e approve.
>> Chair Davis: we have a
motion.
>> second.
>> Chair Davis: and a second.
Any discussion?
About what we're laughing about
is the chair cannot make a
motion or a second.
Everybody gets to try to jump in
and y'all heard and please
understand for our audience here
particularly our young people,
they have been vetted by our
department heads and we've been
brought in on various points of
those.
We're not rubber stamping
anything, we're just moving
things that are outine.
Any discussion further on these
if not, all in favor signify by
saying aye.
Aye.
It's unanimous.
>> we have bl-1.
Staff recommends approval.
>> Chair Davis: I got a motion
and a second on environmental
items.
All in favor say aye.
Aye.
>> next we have 16 items for our
how department.
Staff recommends approval of
those 16 items.
>> I make a motion we approve.
>> 2:00.
>> Chair Davis: we have a motion
and a second dealing with our
highway item.
Any further discussion?
Hearing none.
All in favor signify by saying
aye.
Aye.
Unanimous.
>> next we have seven items
in-person he will.
Bq-1 to bq-7, staff ecommends
approval.
>> I make a motion we approve
be-1 through be-7.
>> all right.
>> that's bq-1 through q7.
>> do we have a motion and a
second.
>> second.
>> Chair Davis: we have a motion
and a second.
Any discussion?
Hearing none, all in favor
signify by saying aye.
Aye.
>> we have one tem that we
discussed in the ork session
and we'll bring it back to the
regular eetings so no action is
necessary on br-1.
>> Chair Davis: all right.
>> it brings us to presentation
and we have a presentation under
ca-1 which is the highway
department fiscal year 2020
year-end progress report.
I believe Mr. Nunley is in the
audience to present this
presentation to he commission.
>> thank you.
So, obviously this is going to
be our year-end presentation and
of course, when we say year-end
we're talking about up through
the end of September of 2020
because our ears run on
physical years, which mean our
budget years.
So, we'll go ahead and get
started.
Our major goals in 2020 was to
plan, construct, maintain roads,
bridges and parks for the safe,
efficient
parks for the safetyand efficiently.
It's shown the difference of
what this county has gone from
2005 to 2020.
Our miles of roads have
increased and our bridges have
increased dramatically.
So this slide basically shows
how our budget is formed and
where the different funds come
from.
You can see 46% of our funds
comes from gas-tax and 47% comes
from intergovernmental which is
the majority of that will be an
ad valorem tax.
The 5% is coming from fund
balance which is basically just
under runs of different projects
from the previous year and other
revenues going to be things like
taxes and fees and stuff so it's
a very small percentage.
This slide shows a little bit of
what the effect of covid had on
us in 2020.
Obviously we work off budgeted
and when we schedule all our
projects we're working budgeted
funds and the actual funds
collected throughout the year is
what we have to actually spend
and you can say the gas-tax that
came n about seven cents below
what was projected, the add va
lorum was lower and the vehicle
registration or gas-tax, six
cents gas-tax and it came, the
four cents came in low and the
others came in about right.
The six cents gas-tax is that
rebuild alabama gas-tax act.
We have a lot of discussion in
the work session about grants.
We're hopefully fixing to hire a
grants coordinator.
These are the different grants
the highway department works
with.
There's quite a few of them.
We got our eyes open for the
different funding avenues.
The first one is going to be
restore, the second one is our
federal aid or federal aid
exchange fund and all these are
going by acronyms.
We have a tap or transportation
alternative, the aid is
accelerated innovative
development.
The a-trip project, go mesa,
hsip, ewp, and we have the
alabama-florida M.P.O., the
craft fund, emergency repairs
which are E.R. Funds and of
course we have fema.
How do grants work?
If a project cost a million
dollars, the grand that
particular grants is going to
fund about 80% and it will fund
800,000 and the county has to
pitch in the other 20% which
would be about 200,000 for a
total of the 1 million-dollar
grant.
So this shows how we divide
those funds up and 41% and the
projects not taking maintenance
and 15 in engineering and admin
and 25% in the capital
expenditures.
First we'll breakdown what our
projects are.
Just from a management
standpoint, we breakdown our
projects into the six or eight
different types, resurfacing,
dirt road paving projects,
bridge projects, new road,
safety improvements, and park
improvements, drainage
improvements.
We set goals at the beginning of
the year and we do our best to
stay on those goals and meet
what our goals were.
At the beginning of 2020, we set
our goal to resurface and we
completed with that and
8.69 miles and it was 90%
complete.
This is just a map of showing
where those resurfacing projects
were.
Just a few pictures of what
we've done and this is ferry
road.
if if you notice in the
top-left.
The rebuild alabama was up there
and it was any time the projects
were funded by a grant, that we
applied for and got.
There's a tab showing you what
grant that was and it was reboot
and and got.
The next goal was our dirt road
paving projects.
Our goal was to pave 13.55 miles
and we had a few things going on
with covid and hurricane sally
so we were only able to complete
28 of our goals.
There's a few rojects gap
weekly and north county road 27
juniper street north.
Miller lane.
Poser road.
Brewer road.
And this is just a schedule of
roads that were either -- that
we've start that haven't been
completed.
You could see ben der, royal,
they were all started as of
10-1-20.
A couple of those have been
completed since that day and
specifically hug bee and the
others, kings landing have not
been started yet.
As far as bring projects go.
It was to complete four bridge
projects and to begin
construction on two and we were
able to complete three and begin
construction on two so we're
about 83% on that goal.
Couple of pictures of the
bridges is going to be county
road 9.
>> this is county road 9.
This is fred douger road.
That bridge is in progress right
now and should be completed
within another month, month and
a half.
and this one is he whole prior
is over bushy creek east and
this one is also under
construction as we speak.
Len home road was in progress at
the end of 2020's physical year
but it actually is complete now.
The next two are going to be.
This is county road 65 bridge
over turkey branch.
And dock mack duffy road bridge
over wolf creek.
Both of those bridges are
included in this grant and we
let them both, the projects have
been awarded and the contractor
should be started soon.
New road construction.
Our goal was to secure funding
begin right away and the beach
express 2, that was all part of
the bill that ended up not
passing the vote.
We are now looking for different
avs
avenues for sources since the
vote did not pass.
Our safety improvement projects.
Our goal was to complete three
projects and complete
construction on tonight we were two.
One project was under
construction and one in design.
This was a guardrail project and
this again was another grant
that we put in for high-risk,
rural roads.
We call it the hrrr grant.
We were successful in getting
those funds and updated our
guardrails.
This was martin lane, we widened
it out.
County road 65 we put up a
four-way stop.
We are able to put up a signal
at county road 28.
This was a joint effort with
multi agencies.
Between us and ummerdale and
aldot.
This is a signal south side of
fairhope and this was funded
through the eastern shore M.P.O.
As far as capacity improvements,
the goal was to begin design on
one project and we have one in
design and it's county road 64
widening projects and it's one
we have in design and it's
widening 64 to three lanes all
the way from 181 down to
monalucia way.
We had one site complete and one
site under construction and one
site got postponed.
Drainage improvement was this
one on county road 1.
The pond on fernwood drive,
which was a huge regional
detention pond that as of the
end of the physical year, it was
not omplete but it actually is
complete now.
Park improvement projects, the
goal was to complete
construction on four projects.
And we did all four of those.
Those projects included the
property acquisition of the
inter coastal waterway boast
launch under design and should
let out to construction.
We replaced the boardwalk at
morgan town.
We put some bathrooms at the
bicentennial park.
And these bridges, these
pedestrian bridges on the
on the scenic
98, four or five were in bad
need of repair and we ere able
to repair fly creek, red gully,
rock creek and this is over an
unmarked bridge.
So from the maintenance acility
standpoint, again, this makes up
about 19% of our budgets and our
maintenance facilities are
broken down into three years.
100 in the.
>> heather: and 200 in thenorth and 200 in the
south and traffic covers the
whole county.
Our goals are processed timely
and to ensure annual by annual
inspections are performed on all
roadways.
You can see it was a busy year.
We received 2,839 work orders
and we were able to complete
2,648 of those.
We inspected 176 dirt roads and
1,381 paved roads.
Our nighttime inspections are
done every year so we did not do
those this year.
This is just a breakdown of the
areas and how many paved and
dirt miles are in each one of
the areas.
This is a graph showing all 161
maintained bridges we have in
the county.
We have 15 of those 161 that are
posted and only one of them
closed on trail 17.
As far as a summary of what we
do in maintenance, this is
good summary of the maintenance
projects.
We completed 38 in 2020.
We did 264 traffic studies and
processed 27afm petitions.
Our herbicide truck, do you to
losing our certified herbicide
sprayer and problems with the
truck we weren't able to spray
roads but we're actively working
on getting those corrected.
We maintain traffic signals, 77
traffic signals.
And we were able to strap
606 miles of lanes and maintain
17,000 signs.
So when a work order comes in,
our administrative ssistance
log it in as a problem reported.
They generate work orders.
And they track that work order
all the way through its
completion and we can report on
that and send e-mails out to
those following that particular
work order.
We had 2,309 and in area 100,
they completed 102% of those
work orders called in.
Basically it means that they had
a few leftover from last year.
They were able to complete those
this year.
Area 200 completed 91-point 9%
of those and then area 300 was
87 and a half.
We have do have special
projects, maintenance special
projects.
These are our sidewalks, our
parking lots, our
emergency-related activities and
we do other municipalities and
we report on those and this is a
graph showing that what we did
through out the county, these
things just pop up all through
the year depending on our
different needs.
Bay minette airport resurfacing,
we helped them with that.
We helped an elementary school.
We did a sidewalk on county road
1 through a grant that was
called the transportation
alternative program or called
the tap grant.
And we're also helping the town
of alberta out with brain age drainage
improvement and we maintained
24.4 acres of wetlands at our
wetland mitigation bank in gulf
shores.
We had a couple of ada projects
we did a lot of ada improvements
on our sidewalks.
And obviously from an emergency
standpoint we had hurricane
sally so I ust want to run
through a couple of slides.
How hurricane sal see effected
us.
This map right here is very
interesting.
This shows the amount of
rainfall that happened in
hurricane sally.
Obviously, the top-left was
lighter rain and when you move
to the bottom right, it gets
heavier.
The heaviest rain will be in the
white and light purple areas and
if can you see these areas here,
this area received up to
200-year storm event but then
this rea right in there,
received a 500 year storm.
It was quite rain event.
From a cost standpoint and what
kind of work does sally generate
from us.
This is different category a.
It's our debris clean up and the
total cost -- all these that I'm
fix to go run off here are all
still in the works, they're not
set in stone and these are
estimated prices and it's
$60 million worth of vegetative
cnd picked up on the
right-of-way.
The highway department didn't
take that and it was our solid
waste department and and
preventative measures basically
just what we do in the front end
to protect our citizens and we
spent 685,000.
The cat-6, there's four or five
of those.
We've broken those into paved
road damage.
Sidewalk and guardrails.
We had one project at fernwood
drive under construction that
received a lot of damage in the
amount of $201,000 of damage.
Our signs got ravaged throughout
the county.
About $300,000 worth of damage
on those.
Our unpaved gravel roads got
washed out and so we're asking
fema to help us fund those in
the amount of $530,000.
Our cross drains got washed out
in the amount of $6 million and
again all these projects were
working through fema to help us
reimburse those -- these
projects will be going on for
over the next year.
And then fema covers some
roadways but they don't cover
all roadways.
Our ajor roadways are actually
covered through he federal
highway administration and we
have to go through their process
as well and we had about a
million dollars worth of damage
on those and we'll work through
fswa to get that money refunded
as well.
Our parks received about
$864,000 worth of damage for a
total of $96.6 million of
estimated cost that hurricane
sally destowed upon us.
It was quite the storm.
From a budget standpoint, we'll
go down to engineering and
administration activities.
Again, we break this down into
different departments.
We have our pre-construction
department.
Our construction engineering
which does all of our inspection
and construction projects and
our bridges and they actually
also help inspect and permit
subdivisions.
Our geo-spacial operations and
our admins.
So, from a design standpoint,
the goal was to resurface and
complete design on four groups.
We actually did five.
And if you remember the
commission gave me another
million ollars because asphalt
prices were dropping due to
covid and we took advantage of
that and get a few more roads
paved at a better price.
The bridge projects our goal was
to complete design on three
projects and we did that.
Our goal was to complete design
on four and we were able to do
three with one n the progress
and our drainage improvement
projects was to complete design
on one project and we did that.
In design, we also have the park
improvement projects.
Our goal was to complete design
on three and we accomplished
that.
We were able to introduce three
special design projects and
throw are in progress.
The biggest part of all that I
just was going over in our
design section, the biggest
hurdle we have to jump is
actually to acquire the
right-of-way for those projects.
It takes a lot of time, it takes
a lot of effort and man hour and
one-on-one conversations and
meetings and obviously covid has
hurt that a lot.
So, this slide is very important
because all those funded
projects that y'all funded and
asked me to do required us to
acquire about 59 right-of-way
tracks.
50 of those right-of-way tracks
were acquired and
acquired and my department
got 43 of those 50 donated,
which was huge.
So, our right-of-way department
also works on projects that are
not funded.
Projects that we're scheduling
for next year.
and those projects, obviously
we're trying to get right-of-way
there and they've been
identified and we're working on
and that goal was to acquire 46
right-of-way tracks.
They were able to get 29 of
those and all 29 of those were
donated.
Pre construction engineering.
This is a summary.
Projects that were in design and
environmental permits were
seven, special requests was 69.
The right-of-way department
continuously receives requests
for research on what
right-of-way we own.
They received 852 requests this
past year.
The tracks were 79 in total.
Right-of-way vacations processed
were six and the deeds prepared
were 102.
From a construction engineering
standpoint, again, this is our
guides that inspect the
construction projects are going
on.
They were able to inspect 61
projects.
Inspect 86 different
subdivisions and I'm sorry,
permit 86 different subdivision
and process 46 commercial
turnouts and 29 license
agreements and 320 utility
permits.
We have a geo special operations
which includes our surveyor.
This is been a vision of mine
with the department is to try to
get a good data and inventory of
everything we have on the road
from a geo special standpoint.
As you can see, we have 100%
complete on our survey to G.I.S.
Except for maintenance and 100%
complete on our functional
assessment and the others are
still in progress.
As far as apital expend
expenditures,
these are the funds that y'all
have allocated to buy equipment
and other things like equipment
barns.
You can see we've bought motor
graders, bulldozers, sweepers,
flat bed trucks, regular
vehicles.
We were able to construct an
area of 200 equipment barn.
Area 300 equipment barn.
Traffic operations equipment
barn.
Couple of message boards.
And that is some of our G.I.S.
Equipment survey.
From a budget standpoint, we
budgeted right at a less less
than 5.7 mill.
Our actual spent on that was
just a little over 5.6 for an
under run of $76,000.
For our motor vehicles, which is
our smaller vehicles, we
budgeted 552,000 and we spent
553,000 for an under run of
about 18,000.
From a building standpoint, this
looks a lip lopsided because our
buildings are not started yet.
Y'all have actually helped fund
two new maintenance facilities,
one in area 100 and one in 200.
These were under designed at
this time and they're fixing to
be let out -- one of them is
advertising now and the other
soon.
The money sitting there and we
just haven't spent it yet
because we're fixing to start
construction.
On the other small items, we
were under run those a little
over a thousand dollars.
So the challenge that's we faced
for '20, was obviously hurricane
sally and covid.
Our work hours, our lost
productivity from our work
hours, I just went become and
compared from '19 to fiscal year
'20 and it's shocking because I
thought it would be a bigger
number but it was only 4.4% less
when you looked at just the man
hours that we're actually
working.
But, it doesn't tell the whole
story.
And the reason it doesn't it
because we have the on the job
loss of productivity.
The time loss cleaning and
disinfecting always and
equipment.
We can only put one person in a
vehicle at a time for a long
time.
The huge thing was we had no
inmate labor.
If inmates were not there
working, someone has to be doing
what they weren't doing.
Our guys that normally were
doing other things had to be
doing what they were doing.
There was no really good way for
me to calculate that.
The loss of productivity was the
biggest one.
Looking ahead, goals and
challenges for 2021, obviously
we had a strategic plan now that
y'all have directed us and
adopted.
Some of those strategic plans
which you have directed the
highway department to do is
2022.
The residents will expect a
well-plan set of new and
improved roads for local travel
that will alleviate traffic.
By 2025-2027 they will
experience reduced congestion
and by 2022 the community will
experience the reduction and run
off and flooding through the
implementation of regional
retention systems for
stormwater.
Again, we have the same projects
types we broken down.
Our goal this year was to
resurface 63.24 miles, pave 5.19 miles, with go mesa funds
and pave another 1.8 with county
funds and that 1.8 of county
funds was hugby road and we
finished that one up so that is
completed.
We begin onstruction on four
bridge replacement projects.
Safety improvements.
We have three improvement
projects complete and begin
construction on three.
These are goals that we're going
to report on this time next
year.
Capacity improvements was one
capacity mprovement project and
design and it's our county road
64.
We don't hink it will be let
the to construction but it
should be getting close.
Drainage improvement was to
complete construction of two
drainage improvement projects
and begin on one park
improvement project and it's
going to be what we are calling
the icw boat launch.
We also have the lillian boat
launch projects that was funded
through a restore council that
was another grant we were
successful in getting.
This project is the study is
underway.
We're orking through dcnr to
get that scope approved.
This one got a little
complicated because it got
damage from hurricane sally and
we have a restore grant
repairing some of the stuff and
fema repairing other stuff so
it's going to get a little
complicated on us.
But there's nothing we can't
handle.
Maintenance activities.
It was to ensure all citizen
request and work orders are
processed timely and ensure by
annual inspections on ll
roadways.
Our geo-spacial uy set new
goals to complete the cross
inventory.
The road sign inventory and
develop and complete damage
assessment database that will be
huge for the next storm event
that comes.
And to continue improvement in
training for G.I.S. Staff and
integrate develop existing
datasets and munis.
Special rojects, was to
complete four and have two in
design.
From a design standpoint, we're
going to complete design on
three groups of resurfacing
projects, six bridges and one in
design.
New road construction was to
complete design on two projects
and to complete design on four.
Park projects was to complete
design on one project and begin
design on two.
Special projects was to complete
design on six projects.
This is one of the safety
improvement projects in design
already.
This is county road 13
roundabout at 44.
Acquired 132 right-of-way
tracks.
You can see we've broken down
for project type.
And then the challenges for
physical year 2021, obviously
we're a growing county.
This is 50% population growth
just for the state of alabama.
From 1960 to 2019.
And if you compare that to what
we've seen in baldwin county, we
have seen a 354% growth rate.
So that's obviously challenges.
What are those challenges
creating?
This is just a graph of our
annual resurfacing cost.
As you can see, the background
if you would, the one in gray,
is represents what we should be
recycling about every 12 years.
If we maintain 100 -- if we
maintain 1,381 miles of paved
roads and that number stays
consist apartment we should be
doing 115 miles a year to
recycle every one of those roads we're
not doing that, this little area
scheer what we did not get
accomplished due to covid and
salary and this is what we're
project today do in 2021.
We still maintain 176 miles of
dirt roads.
It takes $150,000 per mile to
pave a dirt road.
The commission funded
$2.2 million in 2020, which was
huge, if e did it, if we wanted
to get rid of ll of them in 10
years, we would be need to be
doing $2.6 million a year for a
total of $26 million total to
get rid of all the dirt roads
that we maintained in 10 years.
So one of goals for our
strategic plan was about
capacity improvement.
I've identified just a few of
the big projects that we need to
concentrate on.
One was obviously the extend the
baldwin beach express from 10 to
65.
we're rying to find funding
sources for that.
Extend county road 68 from
bohemian call to county road 48
and industrial drive, up here
near the mega site.
Additional lane from 64 from
state route 181 o 54 which is
actually in design right now so
that one is on going.
Extend county road 65 from 28 to
32, which was partially funded
in 2020.
We're working on that.
Extend county road 20 to 65
which was partially funded in 20
so we're working on that one and
of course widen 95 from ish
trap road to U.S. 98.
It's quite a bit of money there,
$226 million total for capacity
improvements.
This slide rit here is probably
one of the better slides of the
whole presentation.
So this is 9 bridges under
construction or funded and this
was huge.
Just going from top, I mean,
you've got fred douger road and
and we have both bridges on
country road 34 being designed
now.
That's $7.9 million that the
commission is actually funded
for construction and that is
huge.
I don't know that we've ever had
that much bridge activity going
on in my tenure.
So that's kudos to y'all.
We still have eight bridges that
are posted.
And you can see some of them get
pricy.
This one is over 32 at fish
river is around 10 million.
That is my presentation.
If y'all have any questions,
I'll be happy to answer.
>> on the, I know you got some
looking into the future, what is
going on with the green energy,
the fossil fuel, trying cut back
on them.
We're seeing gas prices up and
we're going to see asphalt go
up.
It's going to add a big cost to
us.
>> when the asphalt index goes
up, which is what you are
referring to, it effecting
everything we do from buying
fuel for our equipment to buying
asphalt, because obviously it's
made -- the asphalt index takes
it to make asphalt so the price
of everything can go up.
Which is why we went ahead and
the commission felt the need to
go ahead and do that million
dollars worth of resurfacing
last year to take advantage of
the low asphalt index price.
>> I think it's going to be
something we'll have to put up
with.
>> so, you said we had 15 posted
bridges but we still have eight
more that haven't been budgeted
yet.
So the ones that are funded and
under construction, those ther
seven are included in that?
>> you said we have 15 posted
bridges, now that means that
there's a sign on there that
says only o much weight can go
over that bridge.
That's what a posted means,
correct.
>> that's correct.
>> you said we have eight more
that need improvement.
All those all posted those eight
and then the others are under
construction.
We are addressing a big majority
or alf of the posted bridges
with what is under construction
and what is funded now, right?
>> absolutely.
I should have explained.
The as
as --
>> do you want the 32 bridges
are (Inaudible).
>> it is.
It's the biggest bridge in the
county and the one of the haller
bridges in the county and right
away is confined and it's going
to be a task to replace that.
>> there's no place to acquire
anymore right-of-way because of
the house that's are built
there?
>> on the west-end, yes.
>> how much longer do you think
that bridge, just a ballpark,
before we really have to do
something to that bridge?
>> we've actually -- it's a
steel gerder bridge.
We painted that bridge probably
about eight or 10 years ago to
extend the life of it.
I mean, I don't see us replacing
it.
I mean, if I felt a funding
opportunity or a grant
opportunity was there for me to
get the 10 or 12 million-dollar
that will be needed to have that
thing and it only cost us a
million or two, I
I would replace
it tomorrow.
If the county had to come up
with the $10 million to replace
it, 10 years down the road.
>> kick the can down the road
and hopefully some type of grant
opportunity will present itself.
>> ok.
>> I've submitted that projects
for a couple of grants but I'm
not successful.
>> keep asking.
>> that's right.
>> one thing about the drainage.
The project that we had on
fernwood, I just want to commend
those folks.
You know, I don't know exactly
the yards they moved but they
dug 11 acres of ground and I
think I was talking to rex and
he has put over 1,000 and
1,000 hours on
his machine just digging for the
track itself.
That's a lot of hours.
You know, they did a fantastic
job.
>> they did.
>> they did a great job.
And that's going to be a really
big help to that whole region
down there, especially the
sunrise subdivision.
>> I just want to commend them.
That was a her tech
hectic project.
They didn't have a place to go
so they had to get rid of the
water, first.
To continue on.
>> thank you for putting this
together for us.
It's an honor and privilege to
be part of such a good part of
this program here that shows our
progress.
Even in the midst of the storm
and all that stuff.
I mean, we still covered a lot
of ground.
I'm very proud of you and your
staff.
Everything that y'all
accomplished.
Like joe says, sometimes we're
just a small part of this.
Y'all do all the work and I
can't express gratitude for
this.
Thank you so much.
>> I can't do it without you
guys.
>> Chair Davis: I've told you
this before and I'm going to say
it in front these young people
and anyone watch particular
later on, we're
ing it later on.We're blessed to have team
members.
You have people at the top, in
the middle and down on the
ground.
I'm telling you, he is a rock
star and he akes things happen
and he makes us look good.
If things were going ideways,
he gets in our ear right away so
we can elp him figure out an
answer.
Things rarely go sideways
because he has, remember, all
the big things happen because
all the little things come into
play.
And if there's ever a
department, that has to have it
just right, it is your highway
department.
Building new roads are easy.
Repairing an existing road with
traffic on it and all the things
that it involves, and s skip
mentioned stormwater run off,
just because you get it off of
this spot, you've got to know
where it's going.
And joey, I want to tell you
again how much I personally
appreciate being a small part of
this team.
>> thank you,.
>> Chair Davis: thank you.
>> the picture that y'all see on
that screen right there is from
joey's picture he has hanging in
his office and I'm jealous of.
That's a roundabout.
It's not a city far off.
It's a roundabout.
That's one in fairhope, right?
>> yes.
that's fairhope avenue and 13
and actually, matthew brown
actually took that picture at
night with a drawing.
Kudos to atthew.
>> there you go.
Like I told you, it's a team.
And we all jump in.
Thank you, matthew for that as
well.
Let's move on to the next topic,
please.
>> Mr. Chairman, next are the
public hearings.
We have three of those.
And the first public hearing is
a rezoning case, case z-21003.
The garlet property rezoning.
>> Chair Davis: we need to open
this public hearing at this
point.
>> yes, sir.
>> Chair Davis: very good.
We're open to the public hearing
on the case just described.
Yes, ma'am.
>> all right, this is a request
to rezone a little over half an
acre from rsf-1, single family.
And rsf-2 to ra to allow for a
home occupation.
The subject property is located
on boykin boulevard in planning
district 22.
As you can see, there's two
single family zonings on the
subject property but the
applicant is requesting ra in
order to have a home occupation
to run a small deer processing
business out of the home.
This is an aerial photographer
the subject property.
There's a home on the property.
And that is where the applicant
plans to do his deer processing
in his home.
Here is a picture of the subject
property in his home, where he
plans to do it.
this is a survey.
The applicant, if the property
is rezoned to ra, he will have
to apply for a home occupation.
The home occupation requirements
for rural areas is confined to
the principle building are an
accessory structure located on
the same lot at principle
building.
No display of products shall e
visible from the street and only
articles on the premises May be
sold.
The role of home occupation must
be carried on solely by family
members and no person outside
the family May be employed on
the premises.
Staff has recommended approval.
The planning commission also
recommended approval at heir
meeting.
It was 6-0.
We did receive quite a few
letters and e-mails in
opposition of this.
We did eceive a couple from
nearby that were in favor of it.
The planning ommission didn't
recommend approval.
>> Chair Davis: thank you,
ma'am, wayne, do we have anyone
to signed up to speak.
>> we have several.
The first person et to speak on
this item is sherry scarborough.
>> wayne, can I ask you a
question, is the applicant here?
>> yes.
The applicant can go first.
>> Chair Davis: come to the
podium and state your name and
the topic, please.
>> how y'all, I'm josh, this is
my property.
And pretty much what she
explained is correct.
We're locking to start a small
deer processing business in our
home which, like she also said,
with it being the home
occupation, there will be no
signs of there even being a
business there from the street,
whatsoever.
Just so y'all understand what
deer processing is, in our mind,
because apparently a lot of
people think otherwise.
This is turning pre cut deer
meet into burgers, steaks,
sausages.
This is not dragging whole deer
in, gutting them, leaving
carcasses around.
Nothing like that.
So it's just a small family,
friends who will be processing
for and it will just be me and
my wife.
>> so people are going to bring
you a cooler full of pre cut
meat and you are going to turn
it into what they want.
>> that's correct.
>> no one is going to bring you
a deer to skin or clean.
>> that's correct.
Also, I'm sure it will get
brought up, because the game
warden has been set out to my
house once and reported doing
illegal deer processing
operation.
Which he found there's not true.
He actually gave me his number
and card nd told me if I needed
anything from him, to call him
and let him know.
Also, what I was going to say
about the illegal stuff, if the
meat comes from florida, or any
other state, it has to be only
meat.
There's no bone, no skull, no
type of carcasses whatsoever is
allowed into the state of
alabama from any other state.
Because of the C.W.D.
you have to keep records of all
of this.
There's a public hunting
property just down from my house
where you have access to hunt on
forever wild land.
The game warden is there all the
time.
When he stopped by, he checked
and let us know what we have to
have.
You have to have a confirmation
number for each deer that's
brought into you.
It shows who killed the deer,
where it was killed at and all
that paperwork has to be with
the meat the entire time.
So there's no real way of
getting around that.
And also, something else that
would be brought up is that me
changing to rural agriculture,
there's going to bring down
other people's property values.
I don't see that can happen.
The map out there just shows my
property and a couple besides
us.
My property is this lot right
here.
Every bit of this on our street
is rural agriculture.
Everything that is green -- how
could my one ittle piece right
here change any difference from
all that?
Pretty much that's all we have.
I mean, I won't go into all the
negatives.
I know there's a petition and
there's stuff that's been said
that isn't true.
In first in the letter that was
sent to you all, stating that
the first meeting we had that I
spoke and it says Mr. Garlock
spoke at the meeting legally
after his question and answer
session it should have never
been approved to even present to
the commissioners.
Mr. Garlock admitted he
discarded the deer meat in a
garbage can provided by baldwin
county solid waste on tuesday's.
Which this is illegal.
Completely untrue.
I don't know if y'all watch the
meeting that we had last one
where I got up and spoke and
everything.
I've watched it five or six
times.
Nowhere in there -- there was
only one person that mentioned
garbage pick up and that was one
of the people that was opposed
that spoke.
So I had not said anything about
that.
That's about it.
If you have any questions or
what not, I can answer them.
>> I have a question for you.
So, I understand a little bit
about deer processing.
I didn't have those
misconceptions.
I do have a question, you are
allowed to do your own personal
deer processing in your house if
you want to.
It's just that you are seeking
this because you want to form a
business or were you already
doing this as a business and
then found that you were not in
compliance?
That's my question.
>> I haven't done it as a
business.
I have done it for friends and
family.
I do process my own deer meat.
I've been doing it my entire
life.
>> and that's perfectly legal.
>> if I wanted to process say 15
of my friends, they all had deer
that were taken up to big-name
places paying $400 to get them
processed when can I do it for
half price or what not, there in
the house, why not.
No, I haven't been operating as
a business.
What I'm doing right now is
trying to do the legal, right,
process.
>> that was a question and I'm
trying to figure out how you got
to this point of want to go
rezone because if you want to
rezone to a rural agriculture,
even though I realize rural
agriculture is surrounding you
on one side, or a big portion, a
half acre is not generally
considered rural agriculture so
it just sparked me that, you
know, this was the measure that
was suggested or that you
requested in order to do this.
I think of rural agriculture is
bigger parcels of property.
Even though you might be
connected, I mean, do you own
any of the other --
>> I don't own any of that.
There are smaller lots on the
road here that are smaller than
mine hat are rural agriculture.
The rural agriculture bill was
suggested to me.
When I went to zoning, we called
around trying to find out ex low
what
exactly what we needed to do.
I don't want to keep giving you
your opportunity.
What I'm saying, is probably the
ones that are smaller lots,
those were probably when the
zoning came no
came into place, that was
the exiting use so they didn't
rezone it to residential.
I'm just trying to get this in
my mind.
i don't really have in anymore
questions.
The Chairman Can control the
number of minutes that llow
people to peak I don't to get
the public hearing too lengthy.
>> yes, ma'am.
That was recommended to me by
the planning and zoning.
When we alled around trying to
ask hat we need today do to
make everything legal, we sat
down and they really didn't know
what to do.
They went through the books and
we sat there for an hour or so
and they said they didn't have
any real request so what they
came up with was to rezone to
rural agriculture to have the
home occupation.
>> skip, do you have any
questions or comments?
>> no.
>> all right.
>> jeb.
>> o, sir.
Jurisdiction let me ask you
something, I'm from
>> Chair Davis: let me ask you,I'm from the country and we've
killed a couple of eer and we
have them on the back of a
truck.
We don't have them ready and we
pull up to your house.
What would you tell us?
Where would you send us so we
wouldn't get you in trouble with
what you are proposing?
>> I would probably recommend
that you took it back to the
property that it came from.
Normally, when deer hunters have
property, they have hat you
call a gut pile.
They clean their deer at the
camp and they discard of the
bones.
The carcass and guts in the
woods and nature takes care of
that.
And you bring out the meat.
If you will check around, most
other places, there's too much
so lose for having -- you really
can't do the whole carcass.
It's not worth it to make a few
extra bucks to have that -- like
you say, I would have to take
care of it and do something with
it and if I don't own property,
I'm taking that carcass to a
different piece of property
where it came from.
That's what I would recommend.
>> Chair Davis: so you have a
system or a protocol that would
address that should it happen?
>> yes, sir.
I mean, I wouldn't --
>> I think people will know
before they came to you, because
these places around here, they
can only bring the meat.
He is not going to advertise it
jurisdiction someone would have
to told
advertising.
>> Chair Davis: one last
question.
From this process.
Based on what you will receive,
what sort of disposal, what
would be involved in the garbage
or he refuge that would be
leftover and that you would
encloud in your garbage pick up.
>> the garbage, we talked to
baldwin county solid waste and
there is a special container
that they will bring to you for
having this.
If there is, which it was
brought up in the other meeting
also, about being meat disposed,
there's going to be a few
pieces, we've contacted the zoo
and the zoo takes stuff like
that.
You can bag it, freeze it and
put it in the cooler and keep
it.
Take it and donate to the zoo.
>> Chair Davis: very good.
Those were things that were
expressed to me and things that
I wanted to give you an
opportunity to share with
everyone.
I appreciate that.
>> yes, sir.
Thank you.
>> Chair Davis: thank you.
>> the next speaker signed up is
lauren garlock.
>> next speaker is gale beach.
>> as a community, we are very
opposed to this.
Y'all have received numerous
e-mails from the community and
we also did a petition and
you've gotten over 85 signatures
that we are definitely opposed
to this.
And the reason why we feel like
it will bring our property
values down.
You know, it just opens
pandora's box.
If we allow this to happen, then
maybe two months down the road,
someone is going to come to you
and say hey, I want to open up a
business and I want to work on
used cars.
And so then we're going to have
that.
Would you want that in your
community or your neighborhood?
I don't think so.
Regarding josh, and I'm going to
call him josh instead of
Mr. Garlock, it has nothing to
do with him.
He is a great guy.
We love him.
We just want him to do it in a
business.
He can go up on 98 and open up a
business there and do it.
i'm sure everyone would support
him.
Regarding, I think it was
suzanne wells, when she spoke at
the last meeting, she did ask
josh and I could have swore I
heard him say, I put it in the
garbage can with the waste
products.
Well, then we called Mr. Ed fox,
he is the director with the
solid waste, and he said you
know, you can absolutely not do
that.
He has to have a commercial bin
out there to dispose of the
waste.
And then we went ahead and we
have no hronic wasting disease
in the state of alabama.
That's what a deer gets in a
human terms that's kind of like
mad cow disease.
And so, the deer, in the state
of alabama, we do not have that
yet.
It's guarded and protected and
the deer are tagged and
everything.
However, they have been noted to
be 25 miles outside of alabama
in mississippi.
And so, f I'm not mistaken, at
the last meeting, josh said that
he and his buddies go over to
florida, they take the deer
apart and they bring back the
parts and clean it.
Well, it is against the rules, I
mean, you cannot transport a
deer from one state to another
state.
That's illegal.
And maybe we'll do it all from
clark county or whatever, we
cannot do it from florida or any
other state.
>> you can transport the meat.
You just can't transport the
skeleton and bone marrow.
meat can be transported back.
>> well, this information came,
I mean, we did a lot of
research.
>> meat doesn't have chronic
waste and disease, it's within
the bone marrow and that's why
people that kill these deer, and
they want to bring back the big
head mounts and all that stuff,
they can't do it.
It has to be dried out.
Just cutting the meat off, I
don't know if there's anybody
here that can speak to that.
>> well, let me just tell you,
with chronic wasting disease, a
deer appears normal and they do
not show any sign of disease for
two months to two years.
So, the only way you are going
to know if it has chronic
wasting disease, is to
to
to biopsy
that brain.
You don't know if this is an
infected deer or not.
That is the reason why I will
find and give it to you where we
found that information about
crossing state lines.
And it says, any part of the
deer.
And then, let's see.
It was referencing the
guidelines posted in outdoor
alabama, that's where we got
this information.
I had that at the house but I
didn't bring t I
it, but I will get
it to you.
We would just like he request in
do this in a more suitable area.
My question to you, would you
like it in your neighborhood?
That's all I have.
We're worried about it bringing
down the property value.
he said that he was not growing
with the poem
people moving in and
building million dollar homes.
It's coming.
Like at 98 and all the
subdivisions they're plan to go
build on 98.
We're going to talk about four
laning 98.
I mean, lillian say little bitty
area down there that is out of
the way no one in baldwin county
thinks about it but the ones
that live there we want to be a
part of that community.
Where very opposed and there's
85 signatures, they came from 99
north.
Which is our side of --
everybody thinks bout lillian,
the cove, well, there's another
section over there also.
You've got to have a solid waste
container to put that residual
of the deer in and it's
.53 acres.
How is that going to look in the
neighborhood?
We're very opposed to this.
>> Chair Davis: ok.
We need to adhere where we can.
Are you ready to wrap-up your
comments?
>> yes, sir.
Unless anyone has any questions.
>> Chair Davis: are there any
questions or comments?
If not we appreciate you coming
forward and providing us with
this information.
Thank you, ma'am.
>> thank you, sir.
>> are there others to speak.
>> next Mrs. Sherry scarborough.
>> Chair Davis: let the record
reflect, she was not first, ok.
>> I don't like to go first.
Good morning, everyone.
I also live on boykin boulevard.
josh, I know exactly where your
house is.
I normally would not have any
problem with this whatsoever,
except for your concern.
I don't think you have enough
property.
If you had an acre, a full acre,
two acres, I would say go for it
and I would tell people about
your processing place and send
business to you.
You don't have enough room.
You are wedged in there between
your mom's property and your
house that you grew up in and
that's just it.
You did
don't have enough place.
If this is allowed, there's
going to be other businesses --
if you bring a deer that's been
shot in clark county, you would
tell them to take it back where
they shot it and field dress it
out.
No, they're not going to do
that.
They're going to go on
on he
avenue where there's deer dumped
this year and my property is
right in front of forever wide,
which goes down oak street and
opens up into forever wild.
That's where they get deer
carcasses have been this year.
I'm not saying they came and did
that and brought it to josh, I'm
just saying that we've already
had people dumping illegally
deer carcasses right there on
rester off, in my backyard
practically.
I'm just saying there's a
possibility that this would
increase the illegal deer
carcasses.
This is not the place for this
business.
it really is not.
I wish whoa find a larger place.
This looks like rester back
there.
I don't know.
I don't know what the zoning it
on the street behind us but this
where josh is now, it's not the
place.
I don't think because he is just
doesn't have enough area.
I just don't think this is where
it needs to be and this is all I
have to say.
>> Chair Davis: all right.
Any questions or comments?
Thank you.
Ma'am.
Next speaker is carl.
He is coming from the outside.
>> Chair Davis: here he comes.
>> if you would, carl, confine
your comments to three minutes
and I'll give you thumbs up when --
>> I'm not a big speaker.
>> Chair Davis: go ahead we need
to hear your message.
>> I live on boykin boulevard
and I'm appalled him in this
position.
I didn't think we would get this
far.
As far as I'm concerned, call it
what you will, you know.
You want to call it deer
processing or call it
slaughterhouse?
I don't know.
I can't corral the deer to get
them over to his place so he can
process them.
Just short of that, we got a
problem here finding where this
is going to be one.
The whole process.
Not the processing house.
The whole process.
Other people brought that up.
I don't know, messing around
with virtually wet markets, I
mean, that's why we're all
wearing masks, right.
We believe that somehow this
animal thing and people, you
know.
You get what ou have.
Swine flu and now some kind of
mad cow disease or mad deer
disease.
I don't know.
I don't know about that.
>> Ches Crosbie: opposed to thisi am
opposed.
It will drop the property value,
.
I'm not going to use your time
but thank you.
>> Chair Davis: got any
questions?
We appreciate your input.
Thank you, sir.
>> the last speaker we have
signed up is jerry key.
>> Chair Davis: Mr. Key.
>> I'm jerry key from lillian.
I live right next door to josh
and I'm his stepfather.
I am a commercial fisherman by
trade.
I have a small business right
there out of my house.
Which is the same thing that my
dad did and his dad and his dad
for over 200 years in lillian.
Lillian is named after my great
aunt.
My family has run just a small
family business like that.
Like I said, for over 200 years.
I don't see a problem at all.
I'm sure with the waste and
smell it can't be worse than the
fisherman, whatever he does
there.
I just don't know why he can't
have a little business when all
the people now that are
complaining is they're worried
about money.
they're worried about property
values.
Some have eight and 10 locks
down there and and that's an
at-home business.
They you are working out of
their houses and buying property
and selling it.
They're making money.
Good, I'm glad for them.
I did have a problem when people
would tell omeone, especially a
young man, he can't try to
better himself and do something.
It's the same thing that's been
going on for generations.
Over 10 generations of my
family.
They have saw any kind of work
there around lillian, they
guided fishing, hunting, they
did farming and whatever they
could do to make a dollar.
As far as processes, my
grandfather always talked about
when they would go out and catch
mullet and salt them and put
them on a train and send them to
new york many of that was a
little at-home business.
That's what yan is
lillian is really
about.
>> your property is o the right
or to the left of the subject
property?
>> to the right.
>> so, that property is rsf-2,
is that correct?
It says rsf-1.
>> were you operating this
business prior to zoning?
So your grandfathered in under
that so that if you were to just
now start your business, it
would not e not in compliance?
As long as you continue that
business, you can continue it on
and on.
If you were to cease doing what
you are doing, you wouldn't
be -- am I speaking correctly
from zoning perspective.
You asked the question, why
can't he start a business
because he is not grandfathered
in and he is in a residential
area.
That's the only comment that I
wanted to make sure that it was
understood.
Really and truly, the use of the
property is not the main concern
right now.
It's the question is, you are
asking to rezone.
So that's a erious issue when
you got other areas in that.
I mean, I understand concerns
but there's any number of things
that you can do at a home
business besides deer processing
that might not be agreeable or
disagree able so I don't want to
continue the public hearing on
and on.
I just wanted ask if you were
doing that prior to zoning.
>> I didn't know about zoning, I
just learned about it.
>> Chair Davis: thank you, sir.
>> do you have a letter that was
in your addendum packet for this
item.
>> I want today clarify
something.
Reading from the same article
which part of it is cited in the
letter.
>> deer meat that is dezoned,
clean skull plates with attached
antler if no brain or spinal
cord tissue present, raw capes
if no visible or spinal cord
present, upper canine teeth in
no root structure or other soft
tissue is present and finished
tax a
taxi and they are illegal in
alabama unless they're part of
the is finished taxidermi.
The statement it's illegal to
transport deer meat into the
state of alabama is false.
>> Chair Davis: ok.
Anything else we need to do.
>> there's no one else signed up
to speak.
I don't know if anyone didn't
sign up.
That's all official speaker
we've had signed up.
>> I didn't sign up.
>> Chair Davis: come to the
podium and give us your name,
please.
So we can have it on the
official records.
>> my name is mary joe conlee
and I live on boykin boulevard.
I'm are not concerned about he
meat processing in his kitchen,
which he said he was going to
do.
I'm concerned about the
rezoning.
He built that house a little
less than a -- around a year
ago.
Knowing if he was already doing
this meat processing, that he
would be building in a
residential lot.
Why didn't he go out and build
in the country where
where -- in a
rural area already.
His step dad, I'm sorry,
Mr. Key, he has been doing that
business and it's been
profitable, I'm sure, and it's
very non noticeable.
He doesn't have people coming
there all the time.
I'm just curious, I've never
been able to cut all the meat
off of a bone at my farm and
take it to loxley to get
process.
Those bones are coming to your
kitchen and it's not bout the
meat, it's about the rezoning.
He knew he was building a house
there, and it was residential
when he built.
And he stated ast month that he
had been doing this for years.
Go somewhere where you can
legally do it.
If you wanted to be a business.
Thank you.
>> thank you, ma'am.
>> Chair Davis: you are a team.
Do you both need to speak?
>> I just wanted to --
>> I just want to address this
comment that was made bout me
building a house.
It's been there for two years.
Most of the people that spoke to
you haven't lived in lillian for
40 years, their whole life.
They're coming rom other
places.
And also on the pet
petition, a lot
of those are south of 98.
It's not even in our
neighborhood and there's one on
there for daphne.
>> Chair Davis: thank you.
>> I have one quick question.
What's the time period that you
do the processing?
Is it from the beginning of deer
season to the end of deer
season.
>> it would be for three months.
>> how do you rent a place for
$2,000 month when you make
$2,000 over a three-month
period.
It's not a big commercial
business.
If it does do good, if it ends
up a lot of people like it and
they come, I will move.
I will move out to 98.
You've got to be realistic with
it.
>> Chair Davis: any other
questions or comments.
Thank you, sir.
Identify yourself, please.
>> I'm lauren, josh's wife.
And just one other thing, we
finally it donned on us why it's
going to be rezoned because when
we went through this home
occupation conditions, which
like josh said, we talked to the
zoning people for a while, they
had to go through the books to
find out, I made him call around
to see how to do it legally to
take money for it.
We got to every department in
alabama and with the zoning.
If it's in a residential
district, then, it says the area
used for the home occupation
shall not exceed 20% of the
gross floor area.
Of the principle building and
then if it's a home occupation
in rural district, there's no
20% so I guess if he told the
zoning people that we were going
to do it in a building, if we're
going to build garage or
whatever.
He was taken in account the size
of the building maybe and I
think that's the only reason
that this came up.
So, to get it rezoned, it's a
special condition.
It's under the three acres.
It says in the papers September
to us from
sent fromrezoning, if approved, the
applicant must apply for home
occupation application and so
all those rules would apply to
us.
It's not opening a whole bunch
of other people trying to rezone
to rural agriculture is what I
would think.
I just wanted to answer those
questions.
>> the length of time, is that
considered in the thing as being
an occupational thing for three
months?
That's the question.
>> the home occupations you have
two types.
You have the ones for
residential and someone does
taxes out of their house but you
can't have people coming and
going to your premises, that's
one of the criteria.
When you get to the ra-type home
occupations it's more expanded
and you do more things because
you've got property that is less
developed.
>> does three months constitute
a home occupation?
>> so, from my opinion, as a
former lanner, home occupation
is home occupation whether it's
one or 12 months.
The use exist, when it exists.
>> it's the comings and goings
of people and different things
like that.
Like you are saying, can you
literally never ever see clients
and just be in your house.
You could take a home
occupation, you know.
You've got cottage
cottage kitchens.
Big issue is you are requesting
rezoning more than anything and
that's what I wanted to stress.
To me, this is an anti deer
processing thing.
I eat deer meat.
My husband goes out of the state
and kill an elk.
He had to bring it home and just
the meat.
It's the fact you are asking us
to rezone a piece of property
that's only half of what you
need to even be rule
agriculture.
So, I'm looking at the rezoning
more than I am -- it's not about
what you are doing.
Some of things that have been
said, some are not nice, maybe
not kind or any of that kind of
stuff.
It's not about that.
It's about should this piece of
property remain what it is or
should it be rezoned to what you
are asking it to be.
>> thank you.
>> let me pose reference here.
You came up with a rezoning, or
you were advise today do this
way?
>> we were advised by the
planing and zoning comment to do
this.
>> that's my point.
>> thank you.
>> people that work for us.
>> ok.
Anyone else?
>> no, sir.
>> anyone else in the audience
that feels compelled to reach
out and say something.
>> we're back.
Come on.
>> please address the chair.
>> it has nothing to do with
income.
Wealthy people versus anyone
else.
It has nothing to do with that.
It is simply the only problem is
the place is not big enough.
It is not.
>> Chair Davis: this is the
point you made earlier.
If you have new information,
please share it.
Otherwise we need to move on.
>> let's move on.
>> we have a question.
>> I got a uestion for you.
Tell me, in your thought
process, what does not big
enough mean?
>> this property, at point
53 acres.
>> all he has to have is a shed.
You got a shed, right.
Or a facility?
>> he had said he is doing it in
his house.
>> he is doing in his house.
>> he planned on doing this in
his house.
He is been doing this by his own
admission for several years or
prior to building on this lot.
>> I'm talking about in his new
house right now.
He is going to be doing
processing inside his new house.
I don't understand how come
that's not ig enough?
He is performing a business
inside is house.
He has got to get this done so
the planning department
recommended he get it so he
doesn't get in trouble by
selling and taking goods and
services and I don't see it
being a huge business.
>> where we're getting crossed a
little bit and it's just a
misunderstanding.
The request to rezone to rule
agriculture and there's a
minimum size which is 40,000
square feet.53 would on be
about 20,000 square feet.
That was that was the reference.
>> they got bad advice from our
employers to go forward with
this?
Is that what you are saying?
>> yes.
>> I did not say that.
>> Chair Davis: well, that's
what it sounded like.
>> so when people come into the
planning department, I've been
doing this for 27 years, they
say I want to do this and how do
I do it.
I don't think the staff will
say, go out there and
aggressively tell people, can
you do it this way and that way.
Let us help you understand what
the rules are and if you want to
do this, this is how you are
going to need to do it.
I don't think we're out there
telling people what to do.
>> I feel like we've got a good
planning department in place,
not only did our staff approve
this, it went for board of a
commission where it was a
unanimous decision for the
applicant.
At any time, the people that
we're speak north opposition of
this at that planning zones I
watched it.
It didn't sway the minds of the
it didn't change the minds.
Both have recommended approval.
Usually you would see a planning
commission vote one or two vote
no and you can go back and ask,
why did you vote o on this and
just explain.
I do it with all of them.
If I see someone that votes no,
I say why did you vote no on
this, just to get their side of
the story.
In this case, usually with a 6-0
vote down the middle of for the
applicant, our planning
department said it's good to go.
I don't know why.
We still center to vote on it.
I don't know why we're
questioning it.
>> Chair Davis: are we ray' to ready to
close.
>> of a comment.
When they stayed with us for a
while we recommended ra because
the deer processing we felt was
more like an agricultural than a
residential use.
Being a smaller lot, we hadn't
had an issue with asking for a
restoning because it's a lot of
work.
It's been that way for a while.
That's were we recommended the
ra and the home object
precipitation.
We can close the public hearing.
We can ask her questions in our
regular meeting.
>> is there anyone else that
needs to speak under the public
hearing?
Seeing or hearing none.
Public hearing is closed.
We'll have discussion leading up
to a vote relative to this
project.
>> I have a question for selena.
This is not in any effort
whatsoever to make you guys look
bad or anything.
When it's a lot of record I
understand they will not always
be in the same specifications
but when we're asking for a
rezoning, it's something that I
look for.
To say there was a mistake made,
it was not my intentions at all.
Because I did not say that. I
was just saying that I don't
feel like when you are asked to
rezone something, versus it
being a lot of record, that you
need to steer from the
requirements as much.
So, it's just from years of
dealing with these situations
and being on, not as a
commission but as a planning
commissioner for 22 years.
It's something that I've learned
and looked at.
So, I understand the pressure
that an happen from someone
wanting to do something.
i want to make it clear, to
anyone that is here about this
particular case, whether it's
the owner that's requesting this
or it's the neighbors that are
making the comments, to me, it's
not about what he is asking to
do here, it's about the rezoning
rezoning.
And it meets, does it not meet
the requirements of what it is?
Even if it is, it's
grandfathered in as a lot of
record, I guess you could say.
That's all.
I don't want it to o say that I
said the planning epartment
made a mistake or made an error
or anything like that?
>> what you said could be taken
that way.
Whether I took it correctly or
not, really doesn't matter.
We're at a point where lobbying
for a particular position is not
our job.
We have a recommendation in
front of us that was unanimously
approved by our planning
commission and would recommend
by ur staff.
So we're in a point, unless
there's other discussions, for a
motion, a second and a vote.
>> I make the motion we accept
staff recommendation and approve
this place.
This case.
>> Chair Davis: as I expressed
earlier, the chair cannot make a
motion or a second.
We have a motion n the floor.
Is there a second to approving
this particular case unanimously
approved by our planning
commission and our staff?
>> I'll second for discussion.
>> we have a motion and a
second.
Does anyone have any new points
to bring up relative to
discussion?
Hearing none, call for a vote.
All in favor of moving this
forward and a proving the
recommendation signify by saying
aye.
Aye.
Those opposed signify by saying
aye.
Aye.
So we have a 2-2 vote which in
effect is a no vote.
Now, tell the public what
happens to this process when
we've had a no-vote.
Can you share is that with us
from your knowledge.
>> it will stay the current
zoning, the rsf-1 and rsf-2.
The applicant will have to wait
a year before he can come back
and ask for another rezoning
request.
The home occupation won't be
able to be approved.
>> Chair Davis: does that mean
that he can't do this home
occupation under the current
zoning?
>> no, sir.
We determined it was more of an
agriculture
al use so he would
need the ra zoning.
>> Chair Davis: back to my
question.
Whether he be able to use his
property for the processing that
he described s its currently
zoned?
>> he can do it for himself and
not as a business.
>> Chair Davis: thank you,
ma'am.
>> next case is case re zoning
case z-21006.
>> wayne, can I make a
statement.
>> the junior embassadors have
got to leave and I was going to
recognize them real quick and
let ashley come up and talk
about them real quick.
>> Chair Davis: sure, let's do
that.
If that's ok.
Come on, ashley.
Come on up.
>> I'm sorry, we have to leave
early.
We do have lunch with district
attorney wilters and we don't
want to keep him waiting.
I want to make sure he is fed.
Thank you for allowing us for
taking time to spent with our
junior am bass doors and it's a
group of juniors and seniors
here in bay minette and they
participate in local government
meetings to learn more about how
local government runs here at
the county level and the city
level.
In a typical year, they also
participate in all of our events
and other programs throughout
the community to network with
business leaders, learn about
local businesses, learn about
local events and community
development.
>> my name is hamilton
weatherford.
I'm a senior and this is my
second year in the program.
>> Chair Davis: very good.
>> my name is kenneth and this
is my second year in the
program.
I want to thank y'all for
allowing us to come to this
today.
It's been very eventful and fun.
>> my name is brady and I'm a
senior at baldwin county high
school and this is my second
year in the program.
>> my name is blakely norris
this is my first year as a
junior ambassador and I'm a
senior.
>> I'm emma johnson a junior and
this is my first year of doing
junior am bars doors and thank
you for letting us come.
>> my name is tyler and I'm a
senior and this is my second
year in the program and I want
to thank y'all for letting us
see this part of county
government, I know up until now
I haven't seen this
interaction-type place.
Thank you all.
>> thank you.
>> my name is lindsey stewart
I'm a senior and this is my
second year in the program and
that was interesting.
>> hi, I'm emily scar brow and
I'm a junior and this is my
first year in the program.
Thank you.
>> my name is andrew guy and I'm
a junior and this is my irst
year of junior ambassador.
>> planning district 12.
As you can see, to the north,
the property is on zone b-3 to
the east and south there is b4
and it's rsf-3.
Their plans is to combine that
parcel with the b-4 for many
storage.
You have to have a minute pum of
three acres for mini storage and
that parcel only consists of 2.1 acres so they're requiring
it.
Here is the crist plan for the
previous storage unit approved
to the south and east of the
subject property.
They do have access off of
highway 59 and also off of rolls
road.
They did receive a permit from
the state and county highway
department.
prior to today, we only received
one phone call in opposition.
I do believe today we received a
couple of e-mails against and we
had the lady here during work
session that was against it.
Staff recommended approval and
the planning commission also
recommended approval at their
January meeting.
>> Chair Davis: all right.
Do we have anyone signed up to
speak on this topic?
>> yes, sir.
We have the applicant.
>> Chair Davis: if you could
come forward.
We limit it to throw
hree minutes.
>> tom grain ger.
I really don't ave a lot to
add.
The intent is to combine this
property with the property to
the east and the south and it's
currently b-4 and just expand
the development we're going to
do.
>> Chair Davis: do we have any
questions or concerns from
commission?
>> the lady that was here
earlier said she was just
worried about people driving in
and off of the road.
That's not your intention to use
that road primarily, is it?
>> no.
We have a turnout permit on
rolls for the b-4 property
already in place.
The intent would be to try to
use it, we're going to tie in
the highway 59 through that
property as well.
We ould reduce cost.
The owner would reduce cost if
he just uses the ccess he
already has.
>> thank you.
>> Chair Davis: any other
questions or comments from the
commission?
>> wayne, o we have anyone
signed up.
>> I just wanted to mention we
did get an e-mail from the
person who spoke this morning at
the work session and that is in
the record as well of her e-mail
pressing her concerns.
>> Chair Davis: anybody in the
audience feel compelled.
If not, we'll close the public
hearing.
>> I make the motion that we
approve this case number
recommended by staff.
>> I'll second the motion.
>> Chair Davis: we've got a
motion and a second.
Any other discussion?
If not, all in favor signify by
saying aye.
Aye.
Opposed like sign.
It's unanimous.
>> the last rezoning is case
number z-21007.
This is the ent enterprises
property rezoning and
Mrs. Boykin is here
is here to present
this case.
>> to rezone 76 acres from ra to
rsf-2 single family in order to
develop a residential
subdivision.
The property is located on
county road 12 south in planning
district 21.
As you can see, there's a
subdivision to the west.
Which is owned rsf-2.
The remaining adjacent property
is zoned ra into the east.
The subject property is unzoned.
This property is located in
foley's etj.
So, if the rezoning is approved,
the county would review the
subdivision in-house and they
would go to go to oley's
planning commission for approval
approval.
The lots for r sf-2 is a minimum
of 15,000 square feet with
80-foot wide lots.
The staff recommended approval
and the planning commission
recommended approval at their
February meeting.
>> we have no one signed up to
speak on this topic.
Tom is here as the applicant on
this case.
Any questions?
>> Chair Davis: ok.
No one else signed up.
No one has asked or raised their
hand to speak.
So at this point, we'll close
this hearing.
And now have this particular
case z-21007 before the ounty
commission.
>> I make a motion we approve
this case z-21007.
>> 'll second.
>> Chair Davis: we've got a
motion and a second.
Dealing with the case z-21007.
Any other discussion or
comments?
Hearing none, all in favor
signify by saying aye.
Aye.
Opposed like sign.
It is unanimous.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you.
>> thank you.
>> next is the committee reports
and the first one is payment of
the bills.
>> yes, sir.
I make a motion that we pay
bills totaling
$13,938,214.30 with the
exception of those vendors
requested to be pulled, which
there are none listed today.
Of this amount,
$9,783,658.25 was paid to the
baldwin county board of
education and $611,663.74 was
paid to the gulf shores board of
education for their portion of
the county sales and use tax.
>> Chair Davis: we have a motion
from commissioner ball, do I
hear a second.
>> I'll second the motion.
>> we have a second.
Any other discussions or
comments.
Hearing none, all in favor
signify by saying aye.
Aye.
It's unanimous.
Thank you, jeb.
>> next item is ea-2.
Notification of interim payments
approved by the clerk treasurer
and staff recommendation is to
make the attached payments made
by the clerk treasurer totaling
2,240,697.76 and make it for the
record.
>> Chair Davis: do we have a
motion to pprove.
>> we about those and fa-1 will
be brought back at a subsequent
meeting and the plaque and
courthouse and we'll get that
done with your consent and also,
efe-1 regarding the grants that
will be coming back as an item
at a subsequent meeting.
>> o we need a motion?
>> I'll make a motion that we
approve staff recommendations
for item number.
>> it's unanimous.
>> it brings down to commission
questions.
>> I do have any questions?
>> no.
>> nor do I.
>> next are the addendum.
we have ha-1 regarding the fire
department, I believe laura has
looked into this matter and
laura, do you want to speak to
that?
>> I think it's arguable this
use mayen be allowed under the
subsection c-1 of the local act
that creates this tax.
And even if it doesn't, he
commission is still can allow it
as an exception under subsection
2.
Provided that they've gotten the
fire chief's approval and I
think they have.
>> thank you so much.
Does that mean that we need to
act on this?
>> I make a motion we approve
item ha-1.
>> I'll second the motion.
>> so we've got a motion and a
second on item ha-1.
Any further discussion?
Hearing none.
All in favor signify by saying
aye.
Aye.
Unanimous.
>> regarding ha-2.
The federal staff recommended
approval.
>> so moved Mr. Chairman.
>> Chair Davis: we have a motion
do we have a second.
>> second.
>> we have a motion and a second
on ha-2, all in favor saying
aye.
Aye.
>> unanimous.
>> next is the add straight
report.
I would like to recognize two
groups of people for the county
employees if you don't mind.
First come to the podium.
Shannon, as you now is the
director of our citizens service
center.
And they take in a lot of calls
and I want to make everyone
aware of the work they do.
In 2020, they received 245,245
calls all handled and they did a
great job many of the true story
regarding those calls is 27% of
those calls end with them.
They do get passed around.
They've done a great job of
developing this knowledge base
where when someone calls and ask
a question, they record the
question and the answers so
they're not having to recreate
answers again.
I just want to recognize shannon
and her team for doing an
incredible job and doing a great
deal of work and a huge workload
during the storm, they assisted
ima with phone calls and did a
wonderful job and they take
their job seriously and trying
to provide great service to
those people who are calling and
calling the county that is their
first impression of the county
when they call someone.
If they're getting answers
quickly and accurately, which
they do very well, it looks very
good on the county's behalf.
I want to recognize her
publicly.
And her staff.
I want to thing them
thank them very much.
>> Chair Davis: would you like
to say something?
>> I want to tell y'all how much
I appreciate the focus this
commission has and this
administration has on customer
service and knowing how
important it is to serve our
citizens.
Obviously I did not answer
250,000 phone calls in the past
year.
I mean, what I do is -- the hard
work is done by my team in the
service center or cis helping
get us the equipment that we
need.
Just so many people that
actually do the really hard
work.
It's always nice to be
recognized.
I really appreciate it.
I will say that there has never
been a ime in my 15 years here
that I've been more excited to
come to work everyday and see
what is going to happen next and
what we're going to do for our
customers.
Thank you.
>> I was going to thank you so
much for what you do.
I want to thank you for llowing
me to get a taste of your life
and it's me sitting in that
chair with the headset on for
about a good two or three hours.
I took two or three hundred
calls for you and it's quite
entertaining.
I deal with phone calls all
daylong.
You've ot some real nice people
that call and you've got some
real not so nice people that
call.
One thing that I taught shannon
and them, I wish we could talk
to them like you talk to them.
Sometimes you have to get a
good, stern voice and they
always are very nice group of
people to work with down there
and that was a humbling
experience and it made me
realize exactly what you do now
many of and I just need to get
to the other departments.
Get on a motor grader and do
some other things.
try it all-out.
Garbage trucks.
Thank you for everything.
It's been a pleasure.
>> absolutely.
I grow with everything he said.
I didn't answer calls but I
appreciate the small amount of
time I did and I think that this
past year has given us a lot of
new challenges and you guys did
an awesome job of tackling those
head on.
Not only did we have the
pandemic, which we're still
dealing with and we're still
dealing with clean up.
We had four states of emergency
in three of them were valid.
So, got to know you guys a
little bit better during all
that so thank you so much.
I appreciate you.
>> thank you.
>> thank you all very much.
I don't know people don't
realize how many calls you take
and
move of them are handled and I
appreciate all the hard work
staff does.
Setting back and answering 200
calls a day or whatever, this is
a big county and there's a lot
of people that call.
Thank you all for doing what do
you.
>> thank you.
And I just realized during your
four-year term, I guess we
answered a million hone calls.
>> you are right.
>> Chair Davis: there is 229,000
more that will want to call
having had somewhat a similar
experience, I had a guy tell me
when someone ot a little ut of
sorts, to ask them, particularly
if it was a guy talking to a
guy.
do you kiss your mother with
that mouth?
And t's amazing thousand
how it might
change their tone or attitude.
We appreciate it.
As I've said before and I'll
keep saying it, it honors me to
be a part f a small team that
gets things done, not just now
but going forward.
Convey that to all your people.
>> I will, I wish they could all
be here.
They're busy the day after a
holiday.
They all take their jobs very
seriously and nothing that we
have thrown at them this year
has made any of them question
what they're doing and how much
they love their job.
>> I wanted to say out of
254,000 calls, only 27% get
forwarded to someone else.
>> Chair Davis: I was impressed
the other way.
>> we're working on being able
to end more and more and I plan
on giving a presentation
probably at a next work session
about ome of the things we're
working on with the building
department and planning and
zoning those through my next
target so we'll sit down and
spend time together and get to
know their processes so we can
end even more calls in our
center.
>> Chair Davis: that's getting
better as we get bigger.
Thank you.
>> those alls ending with
shannon's staff means more
productivity.
>> exactly.
>> the last group I want to
recognize, I'm sorry it's taking
so long but these are very
important is the cis department
primarily brian peacock, susan
kilby, kish and grace, they're
outside, first I want to mention
kish and grace, they're
programmers with us, we took
over the rv park.
Would you go out and buy that
system from a vendor, grace and
kish developed our own program
where can you go online and book
your site at the rv site.
I want to recognize kish and
grace for the great work on
create tag site
creating that site.
It's been working well.
Any time you take over something
new there's bumps in the road
from other issues but the work
they did on the reservation
system as worked flawlessly and
been good and to have that kind
of knowledge and ability on our
staff, is phenomenal.
We don't have to go ut and hire
a vendor that will charge us
double.
I want to recognize them.
Thank you very much.
And also, brian and suzanne have
been a huge help with the rv
park because they've been
assisting us in helping get that
up and running.
Susan has been great.
She's new to brian's team and
brian has been awesome as well
and as a matter of fact we have
trash cannes and brian came and
got trash cans from his office
and brought it out to the rv
park and the bathrooms there.
I want to publicly them for will
them and getting it to be the
best it can be.
Wore fortunate the commission
chose to move forward with some
projects and we're excite beside
that.
with people like this on our
team, I think there's nothing we
can't accomplish out there or
anywhere else in the county
because they've cup a
done a
phenomenal job.
>> Chair Davis: come up.
Each of y'all, we welcome you to
make a comment.
You can jab at the boss and
we'll be back up.
>> I just female blessed
feel blessed and
thankful.
I'm proud I'm part of the
department and baldwin county
commission.
I believe that with great
leadership, good camaraderie and
all your peer and keeping high
-
moral within your team is the
key to efficient and great
workman ships.
That's why we produce this great
apps that help people.
I'm just very grateful I'm given
the opportunity to serve baldwin
county.
Under good leadership.
You guys and brian.
>> thank you.
>> Chair Davis: well said.
>> who is ext.
>> I just want to say thank you.
I'm thankful to be a part of
team cis.
>> thank you.
>> I would like to thank
everybody.
Special will he my
especially my director and
manager for getting me on this
project.
I would like to thank you all.
>> thank you.
>> Chair Davis: all right, boss.
Talk to us.
>> what more is there to say.
this epresents three of a
fantastic team.
They're all looking to make
things better in everything they
put their hands on.
With every project we're
assigned and every quarter that
we have flowed through our
department, they do their best.
I couldn't be more proud to work
side by side with them on
everything we do.
>> Chair Davis: I think it goes
without saying too, if there's
ever a department that is
subject to things changing
almost daily or weekly or
monthly or certainly in annan an
annual term, it's y'all's area
and to jump in there and look
for the best way to do it, I
have two more phones that I know
how to operate.
Knowing that we have got y'all
handling things for us, the
citizens, know that handled
well.
You are a group of doers and I
think baldwin county is made up
of staff and volunteers that are
doers, it's not about credit and
all that kind of stuff, r
blame, it's about being doer and
we want to tell you how much we
appreciate you.
Thank you, ery much.
>> thank you, all.
>> I just want to extend off
that and brian, when we were
struggle ing where we were going
to go next with live oak, you
pretty much stepped up and said
I can do it.
With you and wayne's
partnership, and doing some
restaffing and ome row
regrouping
out there, I look forward to
that being one of the biggest
and greatest things for north
baldwin county and this whole
entire county.
Based on the ease of services,
and the convenience of what
you've made this, we're going to
be over booked.
That's my hope.
I'm looking forward to great
things to come to live oak and
thank you for your leadership
and making this basically dream
become a reality because it's
been a long time coming for
this.
Thank ou.
>> thank you, wayne.
>> I visited your definitely,
wore interested if you go this
direction, with letting the
county manage it, look what
we've done.
I was like, you are almost ready
already.
I take it that y'all really
wanted to see and have the
opportunity and I remember
saying just give me a chance and
we can o this and I was like
well, I'm still doing research
to determine what direction.
It was like, you guys wanted to
do this so much and it was like,
it shows and how it's working so
well and so I really appreciate
that because it's not good to be
given a task that you don't
really believe in either so it's
t sounds like you believe in
this task and your work shows
and thank you for the apps.
I know when I first got elected,
I really wanted an app and so
did the rest of them.
Not only have I got one I have a
whole folder of baldwin county
apps and it's just good.
I don't get to see you guys as
much as I do brian.
You help us so uch.
I know it's not just me.
hopefully I'm not the only one
that bugs y'all.
If I am I am sorry.
Thank you so much for
everything.
Shirley joe he has two phones he
do know how to use he says.
I'm not the only one.
You've come to my rescue.
Brian is our contact person.
I know that you are the wind
beneath his wings.
>> thank you all very much.
Creating an app as think it's
put a lot of time and energy
into uilding that app for the
live oak.
Not only that but several other
ones that you have developed.
It's great to have a team that
can do that without us centering centering
go
centeringgo out
-- it'shomegrown and it makes
makes it
special.
Thank you for what you do.
>> and I'm sure that you will
have projects that we don't know
about yet.
We May have problems we node
help with.
Thank you for being a great part
of the team.
All of you.
Thank you.
>> that's all I have next is the
county attorney's report.
>> all right.
>> there's no report.
>>
>> Chair Davis: all right.
Public comments.
Do we have anyone from the
public that has been able to
stay here until 12:10.
We don't.
What about the press?
I don't believe I see anybody
from the press here.
commission comments.
>> I'd like to start off with we
have another one of ur people
that served ur community, frank
served on the baldwin county
water district 4 and he passed
away yesterday afternoon.
He was also an educator for
many, many years with the school
system.
He was a great mentor for a lot
of kids.
And he is definitely going to be
missed.
He is on several boards.
He would do anything co and he
will be missed on what to send
my could be dollances to his
family and loved ones.
>> Chair Davis: billie joe.
>> I want to thank everybody.
Wore still struggling through
all the things that's going on.
I feel like that we're -- it's
the beginning of the ending of
all of this.
When it comes to the covid and
all that, I'm hoping we'll start
seeing ome of that light at the
end of the tunnel.
Thank you, staff for all you do
for us.
Thank you my colleagues for what
y'all do too.
>> I'm just as well as another
two, I'm thankful for hat the
staff does.
Everybody from the top to the
bottom.
I appreciate everything that
they do.
It's great to see that our
highway and engineers back and
in spite of
in spite of all his tragedy and
yet he is still going through
them and shows up for work.
It just goes to show you what we
have working for us and the
caliber of people who we get to
work ith every single day.
It's not that we get to work
through these people and it's a
humbling experience and great
honor to be up here today.
I just enjoy every inute of
this job and working with each
of y'all up here on this stage
as well as all the people down
there.
I thank you.
>> Chair Davis: obviously, thank
you sounds hollow but it's not.
We've all aid it and every one
of you in this rom and those
that aren't here that are part
of the team, we are a good team
and we don't want y'all to think
when it's over we go prancing
home and we have other meetings
wore going to be meeting with
members at 1:30 and talk about
broadband at 3:00 so know while
you are working hard to make
sure things happen the way they
need to happen in your
department, wore also aggressive
about getting bots on the ground
and getting information and
getting around the table to talk
about things that will make a
difference in all our lives.
So, wayne, thank you to you and
all the staff.
Let's do, he stepped out but
let's do keep joey nunnally in
our minds and hearts because of
sort of things this have
happened in his personal family
connections, are taxing.
Wove all been through it.
We'll all have it to do it at
various times.
We need to be mindful and not
only is he handling that, as a
good son, would handle it, but
he is also handling his job.
It takes all of us pulling
together so when you get a
chance, give him a little pat on
the shoulder or a little at a
boy or at a girl because it
matters.
And that's what makes us unique.
This is eye county that is
unique.
We do have to apologize, we're
not any better than anybody.
We're as good as everybody.
And it's because you people make
things happen and I'm tickled
and honors to be a small art of
that.
Let's get about our business and
we'll meet again, is that right.
>> I make a motion we adjourn.
>> before that, is there anyway
we can get a meeting set up with
our legislate to
to
legislature to talk about
bills up there in montgomery to
discuss some of those things.
If we can set that up somehow.
>> we need to get with martin
and he can probably et that up.
>> yeah.
>> martin christie would be able
to set that up for us.
>> martin christie would be a
good one.
>> like to set up some of these
bills that are there up and I
got some questions on them, you
know.
>> oh, sure,.
>> if you are phone has been
lighting up like mine and people
on both sides of the topic as
well.
>> ok.
>> if we can do that.
>> we'll be glad to work on that
and we'll do it as quickly as we
can.
>> I would suggest reaching out
to cliff Mccullough as well
because it's a matter of
scheduling where we are and who
we are and.
>> they're in session now, so e.
Yeah, it's going to be tough.
It May have to be until the they
get out of session but they're
in session right now.
>> but, again, thursday evening
and friday, kind of meeting
might be able to occur but, I
grow with
agree with skip, we have things
we need a voice in and the
sooner we can express our
thoughts, the better we can move
things forward.
>> there's a motion on the table
to adjourn.
>> Chair Davis: yes, we have a
motion, do we have a second.
>> I'll second.
>> Chair Davis: we have a motion
and a second.
All in favor signify by saying
aye.
Aye.
>> we're out of here, thank you.