[0:09] >> Kate Sullivan after 10, the
[0:09] call
[0:10] to order ccpd Board of
[0:13] directors meeting for Friday.
[0:18] AUGUST 20.
[0:19] First item of business is a
[0:21] consideration of Fy 27
[0:24] recommended ccpd budget.
[0:24] Keith Morris.
[0:27] Keith Moore system, director
[0:29] of police.
[0:30] >> a few follow-up slides that
[0:31] I sent through base and some of
[0:33] the conversation that we had.
[0:33] I think we do have queued up
[0:36] behind that. The other slides
[0:38] for me to get into them.
[0:39] So I'll just share a little bit
[0:39] this morning and then here for
[0:42] any questions that you MAY
[0:46] have.
[0:50] So this is a simplified version
[0:50] other so much and ccpd 50 over
[0:51] 50 programs. They each have a
[0:52] very unique identity. And so
[0:57] it's always a challenge how to.
[0:58] Divide it out. And so we try to
[1:01] go simple on this. Just show
[1:04] you the overall changes between
[1:05] 26 and 27.
[1:08] With the the total increased
[1:10] expenses of 8.1 million.
[1:11] The increase in revenue of
[1:11] 6 Million. And then we have
[1:14] a plan to use of fund balance
[1:17] of 2.1 And so that's kind of
[1:18] how all the numbers shake out.
[1:20] What we presented on Tuesday
[1:23] between all the programs.
[1:27] Also in here.
[1:30] Is kind of a simplified.
[1:30] The tale of the staffing
[1:32] changes. Those are just the
[1:34] the affected programs. And and
[1:35] the 26 numbers in the 27
[1:38] numbers and kind of how they
[1:39] change. We had some some
[1:41] changing between programs to
[1:46] staff up programs like bike
[1:46] Patrol. And
[1:49] and move some positions over
[1:53] from. General fund for the big.
[1:54] Community alliance commands,
[1:55] the mugger expiry Graham
[1:58] positions. That kind of thing.
[1:59] And this tunnel positions that
[2:02] are listed in there as well.
[2:06] The other slides that I
[2:08] provided sent through
[2:09] yesterday. Hopefully you got
[2:13] them provides a summary of the
[2:14] changes for each program.
[2:16] And so with that, I'll open
[2:16] up to any questions because
[2:19] lots of different programs and
[2:20] maybe a lot of different
[2:21] questions.
[2:23] >> I just question Liz, with
[2:24] could we get one question about
[2:25] the decrease in the one percent
[2:27] decrease in that see it team.
[2:30] >> Yes, that's a sergeant that
[2:30] we
[2:34] moved over to the Stockyards
[2:38] Bike Patrol team. Okay.
[2:42] Just a point of clarification.
[2:43] Keith cover for us with what
[2:46] reductions you as it impacts a
[2:48] crime prevention specials.
[2:50] >> So the crime prevention
[2:51] specialist program. So we went
[2:52] through the reductions, the one
[2:52] of the 3% reductions across the
[2:56] board. We didn't ccpd as well.
[2:56] So all of
[2:56] >> the department was going
[3:00] through the same reductions.
[3:00] And so we identified some
[3:01] reductions in each program.
[3:02] i believe in the crime
[3:05] prevention specialist program.
[3:06] We had some reductions in
[3:07] operating supplies and some
[3:09] of the signs we look, there's
[3:11] still left some in there, but
[3:13] the deputy chiefs reviewed each
[3:15] of the units underneath their
[3:16] command to look at reductions
[3:19] in the individual program.
[3:20] So rather than cutting large
[3:20] programs, that was a little
[3:22] bit of cut the individual
[3:26] programs. Right? Because it's a
[3:29] court members. Thank you, Keith
[3:33] >> no, she car seen. I we've
[3:34] we've had conversations
[3:35] regarding the constitutional
[3:37] policing and I think the really
[3:37] good things do come from that
[3:41] specially driven from data, not
[3:42] just the motion and part of
[3:44] that conversation was regarding
[3:45] a part of the shared mission as
[3:46] well and really evaluating
[3:47] those partners and make sure
[3:48] that we have the right ones in
[3:50] place. So I don't know if
[3:52] you've got to just be on the
[3:52] spot just so others can hear
[3:53] isn't it was great information.
[3:54] Just talk about what you're
[3:57] your plan. Is there in your
[3:58] outlook?
[3:58] Oh, yes, councilmember, thanks
[4:01] for the question. I think I
[4:03] learned to it on Tuesday when
[4:03] we look at our partners
[4:04] partnerships of really taking a
[4:06] look through a criminal to
[4:07] cleanse of the programs are
[4:08] provided.
[4:09] >> Obviously, as we said
[4:10] before, as we've talked about
[4:11] with budgets to meet a
[4:12] particular in these times as
[4:14] well, being good stewards of
[4:15] our ccpd dollars. We have to
[4:17] ensure that we have programs
[4:18] that are just nice to have but
[4:19] actually have shown that
[4:21] they're they do have an impact
[4:21] and what we're trying to
[4:23] accomplish with ccpd, which is
[4:26] a reduction of crime prevention
[4:27] of crime and better public
[4:28] safety. And so by looking
[4:30] through a chronological lands,
[4:31] we're gonna be able to see what
[4:33] programs actually have shown.
[4:34] There's literature of their
[4:34] sons around the country,
[4:35] working with criminologist to
[4:39] show that they have worked.
[4:40] In addition to that, what
[4:42] programs what metrics do when
[4:44] you do? We need to grade these
[4:44] programs. Are they offering a
[4:46] year year basis? What you
[4:48] promised that you would offer.
[4:49] So if you're going to we're
[4:49] going to fund you and we hope
[4:51] that what you promise we're
[4:55] going to have that is showing
[4:57] it's worth. And so I think it's
[4:58] something that I'm looking
[4:58] through and through coming, a
[5:00] logical lenses were being data
[5:01] driven in looking at the
[5:02] programs that we have really,
[5:03] truly just looking at it and
[5:04] say, look at what programs are
[5:06] nice and what program have
[5:08] shown evidence that they work.
[5:09] And obviously that's gonna help
[5:11] in our selection process in the
[5:14] sand. As we go to you know, to
[5:18] that program.
[5:18] Any other questions?
[5:24] I have one general when Keith.
[5:26] As far as you know, we we start
[5:28] off, you know, and ccpd
[5:29] funding. You know, some pilot
[5:30] programs, then, you know, times
[5:34] are shift over to grant, you
[5:35] know, funding all they can you
[5:36] cover what what programs have
[5:39] shifted from pilots to Graham.
[5:45] From pilot to grant Planning
[5:46] Theresa. So.
[5:48] Our goal is always to maximize
[5:48] the resources that are
[5:49] available to us and bringing
[5:51] grandson cops. Hiring is a is
[5:53] a.
[5:55] >> Certainly an example of
[5:57] that. So whether you're talking
[6:00] about police programs or
[6:01] nonprofit programs, we're
[6:02] structured really to be looking
[6:05] for effective programs that
[6:06] we can formalize. And so some
[6:08] programs are coming to ccpd
[6:09] Partners, for example. Pilot
[6:12] programs that are getting off
[6:14] the ground. That they're
[6:15] evaluating themselves were
[6:15] evaluating them to move
[6:19] towards, you know, potentially
[6:20] more
[6:20] permanent funding.
[6:23] >> Yeah, I see Chief Garcia
[6:23] general you back there. I don't
[6:24] know if he has something to
[6:24] spell. I was just going to say
[6:25] also as we go through this
[6:26] process, would nothing's going
[6:28] to be a surprise any of you?
[6:29] I mean, I plan on meeting with
[6:30] each one of the one on one
[6:30] individual. It us know where
[6:33] we're at in the process when it
[6:34] as it pertains to those
[6:34] programming. Some of the other
[6:36] programs we talked about as
[6:38] well to the right. I guess my
[6:39] point is that they were not
[6:41] necessarily, you know, loading
[6:41] the ccpd budget, their
[6:42] opportunities where we can
[6:45] shift over to grant funding
[6:47] that.
[6:51] Where we can without doing any
[6:52] supplanting. So it the unique
[6:53] circumstances, something that
[6:54] we work through. But we do try
[6:54] to maximize funding.
[6:55] >> And all the different
[6:59] resources that we have a
[7:02] >> Got to say. Thank you.
[7:02] Michael. We have one question
[7:06] for you. This MAY be for the
[7:08] chief. We received.
[7:09] MR. Had are here. Sounds like
[7:09] he wanted to submit comments.
[7:10] And then when it makes peak of
[7:14] the public, but doesn't look
[7:15] like it's here, he raised some
[7:18] questions here, chief, just
[7:22] about some of alpr license
[7:24] plate readers. As part of that,
[7:24] I wonder and I know the flock
[7:27] has come out with some
[7:27] suggestions and things you've
[7:28] been speaking about what we're
[7:29] doing. I know you're going to
[7:32] get the full presentation at
[7:33] some point, but I think since
[7:33] this is raising the in the
[7:35] context of our budget and what
[7:37] we're spending on this
[7:37] technology, a fair chance to
[7:41] answer what we're doing already
[7:44] here in Fort Worth.
[7:48] Councilmember. And thank you
[7:48] for the question.
[7:48] >> You know, as his
[7:50] conversations come up,
[7:52] obviously we've been working
[7:52] diligently with our
[7:55] constitutional policing unit
[7:56] obviously wouldn't start.
[7:56] I want to finish as we didn't
[7:59] start thinking about this on
[8:00] Tuesday.
[8:02] Obviously one of the things the
[8:03] constitutional policing that
[8:04] unit doesn't particularly with
[8:04] the help of our real time crime
[8:07] center and the hard-working
[8:09] individual that work there that
[8:11] really rely on this technology
[8:11] and starting their one of the
[8:14] jobs that they do is not look
[8:14] at only internal things that
[8:15] are going on with the
[8:15] department with national
[8:17] issues. Are we going to have to
[8:19] deal with and sure enough case
[8:22] in point here where? You know,
[8:22] before I start, one of the
[8:24] things that I'd like to say
[8:24] from a technology perspective
[8:25] is you have to be responsible
[8:27] with it. There's no question
[8:30] about it. You know, back when
[8:32] I started in the early 90's
[8:34] was really within the last few
[8:35] years of that was the advent of
[8:38] having what's called in the
[8:40] tease. Your patrol car. And
[8:40] with an empty teen, your patrol
[8:42] car, your act, you have access
[8:43] to all see just information,
[8:46] right? That's very regulated.
[8:47] You have to get certified, et
[8:48] cetera, et cetera. There's
[8:48] criminal culpability for its
[8:51] misuse as well as
[8:51] administrative. But with that
[8:54] tool that I had in the early
[8:54] 90's.
[8:56] Obviously can run license
[8:58] plates, which cars are stolen.
[8:59] You know, who has warrants who
[9:01] have suspended driver's
[9:04] license. Where's the gun?
[9:05] Registered to? Does someone
[9:06] have an emergency protective
[9:10] order against them, et cetera?
[9:11] Arguably, to me, that's the
[9:13] most valuable tool that I think
[9:14] one of the most valuable tools
[9:15] law enforcement has is the
[9:17] ability or officers to do that
[9:19] at their fingertips. Now, if an
[9:22] officer does. Something wrong
[9:24] and inappropriate.
[9:26] My opinion, you certainly don't
[9:28] throw the system a way that is
[9:28] the most beneficial system for
[9:29] a lot to law enforcement.
[9:33] That time you deal with that
[9:33] particular officer and you also
[9:37] set things in stone to make
[9:38] sure that you respect that tool
[9:38] and make sure that we're
[9:41] operating in a way that has
[9:44] guardrails. Now, when I look
[9:45] at flocking Lpr, listen, I've
[9:48] been doing this job for over
[9:50] 3 decades and I remember life
[9:50] is a police officer without
[9:54] technology. And oftentimes I
[9:56] marvel. With a with a smile
[9:58] as to the benefits that this
[10:00] generation of police officer
[10:01] has with the technology to
[10:02] deliver the services that our
[10:05] residents and our victims want
[10:07] as quickly as possible.
[10:07] You know, you saw the reduction
[10:08] in violent crime that we had.
[10:11] We done this presentation on
[10:12] Tuesday. Not only is that
[10:12] because of the hard work of the
[10:14] men and women of this police
[10:15] department. But in fact,
[10:16] because of the technology that
[10:17] we have that does include
[10:21] flocking that does include
[10:21] alpr. Now I've seen a lot of
[10:25] conversations she's about
[10:25] around the country about the
[10:28] arguments about keeping flock
[10:30] and how flux Creighton.
[10:31] There's not a chief in this
[10:32] country, myself included.
[10:33] That's not going to tell you
[10:35] how invaluable it is to have
[10:37] this technology with us.
[10:38] The one part that I think I I
[10:38] MAY differ is the fact that
[10:40] that's not with the
[10:44] discussions. You know, to take
[10:44] the line from Spiderman.
[10:47] But with great power comes
[10:50] great responsibility and I do
[10:51] think and I do.
[10:52] As being in this job for a very
[10:53] long time and police chief
[10:55] since 2016, I will tell you
[10:55] that we need more guardrails
[10:58] when these type of with these
[10:59] type of instruments, even
[11:02] though again, we do not want to
[11:02] go back to the dark ages, a law
[11:04] enforcement without these 2
[11:08] teams. And so as we look at
[11:09] these things, we started
[11:10] working on a on a work plan.
[11:11] And if you think you MAY
[11:13] recall, actually, when Doctor
[11:14] Del Carmen actually first gave
[11:15] us our constitute constitute a
[11:16] policing unit. He did mention
[11:21] flock in those conversations.
[11:22] And so right now we're
[11:23] developing a scope right where
[11:25] we're going to develop a
[11:25] structured process for its
[11:29] overall use. The inventory in
[11:31] the deployment document
[11:31] evaluating the hit to dispatch
[11:33] decision. And what that means
[11:36] is when our tcc gets a hit,
[11:37] you know how that is
[11:40] communicated in vetted for
[11:40] officers to take action.
[11:41] We're drafting and implementing
[11:43] a misuse detection audit system
[11:46] in mechanism. We're going sure
[11:46] that the governing policy is
[11:50] precise regarding authorize and
[11:50] prohibited. Use. We're going
[11:51] to analyze historical data to
[11:54] help determine the program's
[11:55] efficiency. You know, the
[11:58] overall use will be composed of
[12:00] who has access to flock Lpr in
[12:02] the reasons for those requests
[12:04] standardizing the query
[12:07] standards case number offense,
[12:09] type documented, justification,
[12:10] etc. The training in the annual
[12:12] recertification for continued
[12:12] access. And this was
[12:13] interesting to me because the
[12:14] other day I had to recertify
[12:15] my sieges. All right, that we
[12:17] have to do every single year.
[12:18] And I'll get into the penalties
[12:21] of misuse of see just in a
[12:23] little it. But as I was going
[12:23] through that I thought to
[12:26] myself, always policy, always
[12:27] lags behind technology. It
[12:28] always does. It has for the
[12:30] entire time I've been a cop.
[12:31] It was I looked through that
[12:33] with the conversations we're
[12:34] having. I'm like, why doesn't
[12:37] this type of recertification
[12:37] work for a tool such as
[12:38] flocking Lpr so that we are
[12:41] recertify officers every single
[12:43] year. So we're going to be
[12:44] starting to do that and
[12:45] obviously training data,
[12:48] retention preservation in
[12:49] sharing guidelines. We're going
[12:50] sure the current camera
[12:52] inventory in the footprint is
[12:54] continually updated and
[12:55] accurate. One of the value, a
[12:57] deployment decision strategies
[12:58] and the overall process looking
[12:59] at crime rates looking a crime
[13:00] type. As I mentioned before,
[13:01] if you look at our crime is
[13:03] here in the city in the room,
[13:04] massive reductions that we're
[13:04] having is is due in part
[13:07] because of this technology.
[13:09] Classifier deployments. What
[13:11] areas are redeploying that
[13:12] their high crime placement.
[13:14] What areas are we to point for
[13:15] quarter perimeter placement?
[13:18] What areas replacement based on
[13:19] support of crime? Gotta.
[13:20] You know, our hit to dispatch
[13:22] decision. As I mentioned
[13:22] earlier, we want to examine
[13:25] the process and the steps of
[13:26] the events from the hit to
[13:29] determining the appropriate
[13:30] response. We want to set
[13:31] protocols are per user hits and
[13:33] dispatch its meaning when
[13:37] officer. Uses a system to get
[13:40] a hit as opposed to when they
[13:42] are tcc gets a hit.
[13:42] When examined data to measure
[13:45] the response in the outcome
[13:48] results. When we look about
[13:50] misuse detection audit with
[13:51] automated and continue a system
[13:53] that alert a system
[13:54] administrator potential misuse
[13:56] flock currently has a system
[13:56] based on algorithms and search
[13:58] criteria. They provide daily
[14:02] feedback. We want to develop
[14:05] a manual. A process for random
[14:06] sampling as well. Not too
[14:06] dissimilar. Random sampling of
[14:07] body-worn camera footage with a
[14:10] lot of myriad of other things
[14:11] that we use.
[14:12] Right now. We look at the
[14:13] governing policies. This is
[14:15] something that, again, I MAY
[14:15] differ. There is no
[14:19] comprehensive Texas Alpr slash
[14:21] fought flock statute.
[14:23] Department policy is there for
[14:24] the only consistent access to
[14:27] its use and how you hold
[14:29] individuals accountable.
[14:32] All say that the use of flock,
[14:33] the misuse of flock or lpr
[14:34] should carry similar penalties
[14:35] both administratively and
[14:39] criminally as to see just
[14:40] violations. And I know I've
[14:42] spoken to the city attorney's
[14:43] office regards to the we're
[14:44] going to need a I'll be the
[14:45] first chief to testify in
[14:47] Austin to say that that is
[14:50] necessary. I see no reason why
[14:50] misuse of flock in pr is not in
[14:52] the same category view of
[14:56] misusing sieges. We're going
[14:57] to rework our current Fort
[14:58] Worth pd. Opr general order to
[15:00] ensure policies and procedures
[15:01] are appropriate.
[15:02] And will utilize crime data to
[15:03] evaluate the effectiveness and
[15:04] productivity. Each device
[15:06] related to the deployment
[15:09] location. You know, working
[15:10] through this. And I know we're
[15:12] going to MARCH broader
[15:13] presentation to council.
[15:14] I hope we can all stipulate
[15:17] the fact of the amount of lives
[15:19] and how.
[15:20] Our victims have had have
[15:22] gotten justice by the use of
[15:23] techno this technology. But we
[15:27] will have many, many examples
[15:31] as to how. This system has
[15:31] given victims, justice and how
[15:35] these systems have reduced
[15:36] violent crime in our city while
[15:37] at the same time, understanding
[15:38] the responsibilities of a
[15:39] professional police department
[15:41] to ensure that we have
[15:42] guardrails. So again, I know
[15:44] this is not the presentation.
[15:45] We will have a much more robust
[15:47] presentation. But I thank you
[15:48] for the question because I
[15:48] don't want council to think
[15:51] that we just began thinking of
[15:53] these issues Tuesday. We've
[15:55] been thinking of them for a
[15:56] while, simply as a tool that
[15:59] no police department, this
[16:01] country has the luxury of
[16:01] losing. We have to us similar
[16:03] to tell my rank and file with
[16:05] regards to the trust and the
[16:07] support we get from the city.
[16:08] We need to treat that as a
[16:10] precious gift in a system such
[16:11] as this is powerful, such as
[16:12] this that can help us and has
[16:13] helped assault numerous amount
[16:16] of crimes. We treat the same
[16:19] thing.
[16:22] Thank you.
[16:22] I think thanks for that many
[16:25] presentation and the bigger
[16:26] presentation that we
[16:26] >> might have. I think we can
[16:29] all probably find examples of
[16:30] the district where the
[16:32] technology has, as you said,
[16:32] serve justice in some way,
[16:36] shape or form. I can think of
[16:37] Las Vegas trail going to but
[16:39] I'm sure we all can come of the
[16:41] examples as part of that, too.
[16:42] I'm glad to hear you're already
[16:43] thinking about how this
[16:46] technology keep it safe and
[16:47] keep we hear horror stories.
[16:49] What's happening that MAY be
[16:49] officers might be accessing it
[16:51] to find girlfriends,
[16:53] ex-girlfriends, things like
[16:53] that. And so I'm glad you're
[16:54] already looking at that to make
[16:56] sure that's not happening here
[16:58] in Fort Worth and also being
[16:59] willing to speak up to it and a
[17:01] legislative sense to make sure
[17:01] it's not happening statewide.
[17:04] I'll say this councilmember.
[17:08] >> The reality of it is is,
[17:11] you know, if there's systems.
[17:12] >> We need to do with
[17:14] them harshly purging the system
[17:14] such as this and ensure our
[17:17] city's the wrong word probably
[17:19] was severely.
[17:20] To understand how important
[17:21] this is to our community, how
[17:24] important this is to the rank
[17:26] and file for every misuse that
[17:28] there is you're putting in
[17:28] jeopardy. The amazing work that
[17:30] men and women are using with
[17:31] this technology. Every single
[17:33] day to reduce violent crime in
[17:34] our city and to protect
[17:37] victims. It's simply a tool we
[17:37] cannot lose.
[17:41] You know, I will say this just
[17:42] to kind of, you know.
[17:43] Wrap this up a little bit
[17:44] increase on khon. You hear that
[17:45] the U.S. Law does not recognize
[17:48] an absolute right to privacy in
[17:48] public spaces.
[17:49] >> And as baseline 4th
[17:52] Amendment, you know, governance
[17:53] at Christiana question.
[17:54] No, I don't have a question.
[17:54] I just want to add to what you
[17:56] and bring back is a
[17:57] presentation.
[17:59] >> I listen to the things that
[18:01] put in place and he talked
[18:03] about the success is a flop.
[18:04] i also want to see him at the
[18:04] recommendation on that
[18:08] recommendation. That
[18:10] presentation is where we have
[18:11] had missteps in the flock
[18:15] camera. If there's any where
[18:16] we have abuse and forward
[18:18] police department as well as
[18:18] nationally. So we can actually
[18:19] look at both sides and we
[18:23] actually have a conversation.
[18:25] Also, he's got a ride, won't be
[18:26] able to speak nationally
[18:28] without speaking specifically
[18:29] to individual chief. So that in
[18:30] reading media, but I can
[18:30] certainly go into what we what
[18:32] we've seen since we've been
[18:35] using that tool.
[18:36] >> Okay. Well,
[18:36] maybe legal that study is
[18:39] what's happened around the
[18:42] world. Maybe your quest who
[18:43] says he's coming back. I've had
[18:43] the opportunity several times
[18:46] to see a real time crime center
[18:47] in person. And if that has not
[18:49] been of offered to every
[18:50] council member, please do that
[18:52] and let them see if their own
[18:53] schedule to see in person asked
[18:53] the questions prior to a
[18:56] presentation is I think it
[18:58] would help a bit.
[18:59] >> And also I have a more
[18:59] informed and question answer
[19:01] session with with chief and
[19:01] command staff. So thank you.
[19:06] Have the team reading there.
[19:09] Some thank you. Chief.
[19:13] Do we have pending action on
[19:14] this? But do we have any
[19:15] speakers present that we
[19:15] needed? Lee weavers have
[19:16] registered speakers had like to
[19:18] call them. I don't believe
[19:19] either one is present.
[19:21] >> Our first registered speaker
[19:24] is and Joseph, a Dari. MR.
[19:27] Had already here.
[19:27] And then the other individual
[19:28] who wrapped who signed up to
[19:31] speak is Ryan on this. Ali.
[19:35] And then also just for the
[19:36] record, there were written
[19:37] comments that were submitted
[19:38] that were distributed to the
[19:38] board and also handed out this
[19:39] morning. They'll be on file, as
[19:42] I believe, the board members to
[19:42] see that.
[19:43] Elsewhere. Flores, yet to
[19:46] comment before we vote on the
[19:46] budget. I just want to
[19:47] compliment keys and your team.
[19:48] You work very hard behind the
[19:49] scenes and some as we ask the
[19:51] tough questions on the fly.
[19:52] And so I just
[19:52] >> I thought it was necessary
[19:53] for us to thank you all for
[19:56] your hard work working with
[19:56] pd and the rest of the team.
[19:57] >> Thank you, mayor. They've
[19:57] been doing some deep diving on
[20:02] those numbers. It is
[20:04] appreciated. All right.
[20:05] Chris, I know that you had I
[20:07] think you have some questions
[20:08] and follow-up questions.
[20:09] Mayor suggested maybe we do
[20:09] some things avail ourselves
[20:11] of, you know, some information
[20:14] prior to that. But are there
[20:18] any future agenda items?
[20:20] >> We do need action upon the
[20:21] right revive a first on the
[20:22] budget. Okay. First and second
[20:25] all in favor indicate by saying
[20:27] Aye. All right. Nas seeing none
[20:31] that passes. Now future agenda
[20:32] items. Anybody.
[20:34] Guess what I asked was if usage
[20:38] and I yeah. It's been noted
[20:40] staff. We clear on that.
[20:42] And I request okay, good.
[20:42] All right. There's no other
[20:45] business. We're adjourned at
[20:48] 10. 32.