would take frch well it's 6 o' so time to work are
we exp not live yet we are
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okay I think the only question I had on his was where exactly on that property
because we all sat in on approving him moving that property remember
that he changed the orientation of it it's down over Hill from the nursing
home I remember where it is we did that we we voted to change the orientation as
part of that building long time ago still isn't finished no it's not yeah I
pretty much drive by there quite often
so I was saying ear when I do that train Ambassador job we take up right by
inform so we do like four trips probably so I see it you see it a lot four times
every time I do this
are all right I guess six o'clock should we go ahead and get started then even
though Sten is not
here we might well we could jump ahead to the staff approvals all right so then
all right why don't we do that okay so I'm going to call to order the historic
district commission meeting for Monday May 13
2024 um please rise for the Pledge of
Allegiance I pledge alance to the flag of the United States of America and to
the Republic for which it stands one nation under God
indivisible and thank you
the Maryland land use article empowers frostburg's historic district commission
to implement the city's historic preservation overlay District according
to the regulations set forth in the Frostburg zoning ordinance all meetings
of this commission are open to the public and conducted in compliance with
Maryland's open meetings act the Frostburg historic district
commission is charged with the preservation of historic structure
and the surroundings within the designated District in order to
safeguard the heritage of the city stabilize and improve property values
strengthen the local economy and Foster Civic
Beauty all right let's do the roll call um I'm the chair Don
Hine uh Vice chair Joseph Hoffman present Bill Denman is not with us this
evening Rob rayan present Morin Brewer um is not with us this
evening um and our alternate Dan Daniel filer is not with us this evening so
Commissioners if you would please review the current agenda and when you are
ready if I could have a motion would you appear approve the
agenda a second
um all in favor please say I iing oppose the agenda is
approved um next Commissioners if you would review the minutes and when you
are ready if I could have a motion and that would be the minutes
from our last meeting um December 11th 2023 to approve the minutes second all
right um all in favor of approving the minutes please say I I hearing none OS
the minutes are approved okay so um our first project
presentation um is 46 Depot Road um Steve Bennett has um not yet arrived so
we'll give him a few minutes um and move to um let's move to Old business which
would be next in line do we have any old business to
discuss
all right so then let's move to new business and it looks like we have some
administrative approvals um that have happened since
our last meeting yes we had uh three staff approvals U one was at 21 Frost
Avenue for West C his uh new place of business
house for C Chiropractic uh he was installing a small commercial sign um
and that received staff approval um then there was 273 East Main
Street it was just exterior painting it was going to be from a historic
pet so that was staff approved and also 4 Bells Lane uh they were doing an in
house and um so no change of materals for
that Jamie did uh was there any indication of when the 40 Bells Lane
project would be initiated no I'm I don't know when that's starting or or
when it will be completed um it was uh Bethy had brought that to me she had
spoke to the gentleman and got the information and just said would
did you know just a staff approval for that one but she didn't say when it
was where do you where on where is 21 Frost
Avenue uh it is so if you're on Water Street uh the Corner House another house
and then it'll be 21 so it's a third house on the right as you go up on the
right side I think it's it's Alley Cuts through yes it's right there's an alley
on the other side of it okay yeah we had seen his
property back in the fall yes for new doors and I believe the back by the
garage and that back door okay yeah and yeah the little small deck not hardly
called the deck like a little tiny porch but steps there yes was he previously in
the building on Main Street where I believe was yeah yeah right out Corner
okay all right
um well do you feel comfortable presenting the
project or I can give are very rough details of what I
know okay do you have any of
was he going to bring cut sheets or other items to show or
is the proposed so
there's one of these in there with the pictures yeah and then with the
pictures could you Orient us with respect to that to the pictures yeah
with respect to the pictures if you're looking at the of the house the way you
would Orient it would be looking at it with the hole on the left so it would be
like you're on Water Street looking straight at the house sitting back
towards the back of the property fence would go this way yeah it
would go off kind of towards you if you're at Water Street and then straight
ACR down so
yeah I
know so it would come off this
corner and then come out a little bit if you look at that yeah and this on this
picture leading from the corner of the house yeah like that it would be coming
towards that corner is this corner and then off a little bit come out a little
bit and then go that direction yeah kind of so it'll jut out a bit
um and then and then the the left side of the
house there is a small portion that comes straight off the edge of the house
that would be like straight out here and then back which is kind of hard thre
dimensionally to think but that that leads back behind the house and then so
that that red it comes off and then follows the street all the way back and
would does it tie up with that it would connect with that fence back there so it
would come off and then all the way that is a long piece of fence then yeah yeah
along the along the road so it comes down this way it would come over short
way and then come back to that fence so you can see on here we're
talking about this corner now is this so it would come over just a short distance
and then there would be space yeah it would run parall coming
out towards the to that yeah it comes off
of this right here it doesn't
say so oh that's a gate I see so there's a
couple of gates gates yeah it looks like probably like a doorway and then a
larger gate to allow um whatever maybe a vehicle or lawn
equipment to get through um it does not say from what I can see he has like the
size of the gates but he doesn't have the size of or the
length of the fence that it comes out yeah that's because that would be a
question that I would have is like what happens here how does it terminate at
this corner there is there is fence also there which I don't it's hard to see but
there is fencing that runs this is I believe the same fence that's behind the
house over here that comes so I believe it would terminate and connect with that
fence just can't see it in these pictures where it comes back this
direction it right there is there is a fence so you can see it like a little
bit here and a little a little bit here I don't know specifically on here where
it's going to connect but after it comes out and comes back down it looks to be
that it will connect with that fencing so is that um in this picture I
believe actually is that um maybe shed is that theirs or is that the
neighbors no it's going to connect the fence you'd think it would be no
actually it I don't think it will connect to that portion of fence because
that fence though because it looks like that fence runs back here so it won't
actually connect it will be out so I don't see it well that's what that's
what I'm wondering how does that terminate it
doesn't I mean that's the dotted line the the dark the black you know with the
dashes that's the property line yeah that's property
line and it it wouldn't just end in a property
line it's got to well I have a fence it'll fall down yeah yeah unless the
only thing I can think of is it just isn't shown on here which without him
saying you know being here to say that there might be a portion of fence that
that goes back and does connect to what straight back so kind of similar to what
happens on this side yeah that's that's what I'm thinking because I can't
imagine you would just have like a portion of that justes the gate would
pull it down the weight of the gate yeah it wouldn't make sense to do that
um yeah that's the only thing I can think of well
um and he did plan to be here he did yeah I spoke to him this morning and let
him know that it was downstairs here uh 6 6 p.m.
okay um well I feel like we don't have enough
information to move forward with a vote um however we can talk
about what the proposed look of the fence and if the fence
is we can talk about those aspects and then say we need some
further information makes sense and then we can um
put it on the calendar for next month yeah um
okay well there's a fence on the other side of the street different kind of
fence but it's a white fence very different yeah and how and I don't know
that that is where is the line for the historic district come it may be this
road that's the boundary I know close
um it looks like the picket fence would be similar in in general style to what
their uh porch railing is almost except except there
is a top to
yes but it's interesting to think how how would all of this fencing tie in
together and
where's is is that is all that fencing that's existing his
fencing I would I don't know do do you know um is the fence that it the natural
wood fence that's in the back I is that on their property is that their fence I
believe that is his
mentioned of his okay it would be problematic if it weren't his and he
TI yes um yeah so on the screen um it's his property is right here so it is on
the boundary yes so what's on the other side of the road here not in the
historic district and it looks like he this side
is and this side is not it looks like there's a little bit a red
line that goes to his property line and I'll bet that fence is on the other
property that wood one so it's going to go up
against I would think somehow up against that wooden
fence which is probably a six foot fence and these are better only I think it
says 4 foot in the application 3x four by five oh it doesn't say it
just says addition of fence along the road and then you've got three four and
five foot heights yeah and I I don't think we can really act on this right
now just too much too many questions that are unanswered that we don't
know um you think that would be appropriate otherwise though
looks like the difference is maybe that's flat across the top where this
one has a little bit of a a point to it which one is
that Province Town yeah and well the Chelsea looks
similar too doesn't it it does just looks like maybe the cross part at the
top is is yeah a little lowerer lower the other than that looks the same
that's the back side of it too
so I think it looks like the Province Town has
um higher uh posts that divide the
sections where in the other ones it's kind of even with the pickets and town
the post is a little higher so I think that's the difference
with that
one he didn't say on this how the dimensions of the I mean physical
dimensions of the high fence no I looked I I thought it did say but I
don't I don't see an indication on the application of how high def fence is
yeah unfortunately we can't really guess the
way things now are right where it connects is going to look different but
whether that's an issue or not I don't I think that's the one of the big
questions how does all this TI together and I'll bet that's a six foot high
fence this one here that that would be my
guess and I don't know that he's going to want a six foot high V offense well
the one he circled goes three four or
five um
yeah so I guess yeah a lot of those questions we just kind of need some
answers too um so I guess I would like to push it back to the next meeting I
don't really feel like we can um vote currently based on the information we
have do we want make a motion and vote on that to table it yes I think we
should have a motion to table motion to table it until we can talk to the
property owner more next meeting I second
that all right all in favor please say I I all right hearing none opposed um we
will table this proposal until we can get some further
information all right um Commissioners does anyone else have anything they'd
like to questions or things to discuss
remember last time we met which was some time ago yes there was some discussion
about are alternate yes Daniel fer yeah and I
think what's the status of that Bethany was going to try and contact him I
believe to see if he could at least come to a a meeting um just so we could all
catch up because it had been a while since um we had all only seen him once I
think yeah and it may be that he no longer wishes to
continue as alternate don't have any idea possible I don't know she hasn't
mentioned it so I don't know if she has or hasn't sure so if you would just
check in on that I think would be would be
great I had a a question that I brought up earlier not to you guys but down the
street for me at two it's either 287 or 297 they preparing to put a vinyl fence
in front of their house and that house it's it's three houses up from where
San's alley is so it's in historic district commission there aren't any
fences on that whole stretch of Main Street so there are 4x4 vinyl fences not
complet permanently fixed in there but they've been working on that for a week
or so and that hasn't been I would think that that would have to be approved and
I'm not sure whether that would be appropriate that's that's my two
questions whether you know it has to come to it has and I think maybe if if
you guys could maybe check that out if that's something that we could nip in
the butt because if that's not something that is appropriate I would rather have
us tell them now and put a fence up and then have to take it down Jamie you know
where the this proper is yeah he was talking to me before so I actually yeah
it's it's on the screen up here it's right about here is that correct yep y
okay uh yeah I don't recall issuing a permit for that nor have they checked
into anything and I don't believe I've seen even a missutility ticket like the
call 4 dig which is also a very big deal in case they would
post um so yeah tomorrow morning that will be talk my list to look into
because if it's not appropriate I would rather not have them keep keep going on
that would not be there various issues with that yeah they followed no
procedure so um yeah I I will be definitely checking into that and
um going over that with Bethy provided she's
fact I think the only place there have been fences ever on that whole stretch
are up past Cemetery if that you know because they
used to have a little curb about that high and they had rod iron fences along
a lot of parts of Main Street there might have been one on that section of a
block between there and whatever that next street down by the ryal is but on
my end there's never there have never been fences there and that one that
house sits pretty close to the street anyway so it's not much of a fence yeah
it's kind of like the situation we had on Water
Street applying for a fence when there was only like maybe 10 feet between the
sidewalk and the house I know what you're talking
so so anyway I just thought I'd bring that up since every day I go to work I
drive by that think I apprciate we should check on
that we were not aware of that but uh yeah that will defin be top of my list
tomorrow morning look into Jamie I have a question for you I I have heard that
there might be some motion to do renovation of the
pitri building is that something you've heard yes uh Bethany would be able to
speak much more on that she's been dealing with with
them whoever is working on that but yes I know that that as far as I'm aware is
moving forward and maybe same same thing I thought I
saw something on the city council agenda for the um what was it called the nickel
building where otit was do you remember when I couldn't find it in any of the
minutes do you know when that came up or what came up on that uh we have plans
for that oh yeah we we've received you know the the renovation plans for it uh
I know there was a lot of hold up with funding and also
structural making sure that it was structurally safe which is while the
cones are out there to prevent you know if anything would fall off um but I know
that it is it is moving forward um yeah there's three big Renovations going on
up town that's theard building the nickel building and the diamond building
where elelo like they're they're doing interior Renovations on that as well so
um but as far as when they're going to start on it that I'm not sure I I just
remembered I didn't take the time to look at it when I was looking back
through the the city's website but I thought that building came up in the
last six months something about it but I don't know what I just thought maybe
whether they' applied for more funding or a continuation of because I don't
know whe they even had a length of time that they were supposed to have had that
finished by because it's been like five years I think there was
concern between L and the city about the status of the buckling of the
front wall and whose responsibility so you think that's what
came up in the city council maybe it was certainly discussions
okay there's been a lot of discussion between like
Bey Hayden and Public Works uh and then funding with the county as well there's
been a lot of moving pieces with that but
umans seems everything Ming forward okay yeah two that two buildings on Main
Street are so important to Main stre Community to uh have renovated or of
course the off Petit and the priter building and uh happy to see that the
Pritchard building might be potentially yeah yeah for all I know that that's
moving I know Beth spoke about her excitement with finally having all of
these buildings getting renovated that's big news it is it'll really make an
impact on Main Street for visitors especially yeah and creating more
housing units which are in great need right and well since we're talking
about big projects that we hope are going to be happening
soon uh the old city building is on Main Street that is going to be
eventually uh a Frostburg State facility yes any plans on that that I'm not aware
of Beth May no more but I'm not certain I just know that it's kind of something
that's been in the works for a while um but I'm uncertain whenever
they're going to getting started on that yeah you're right that's another piece
of the puzzle that would be nice to when that Challenger project is is complete
that that'll be a big addition to absolutely
absolutely very
exciting all right well um if there's nothing else do I hear a motion to
adjourn motion to adjourn I second all in favor please say I I all right we are
adjourned at 629
okay well thank you all thank you thank you thank
you I just want