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would take
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we exp not live yet we are

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okay I think the only question I had on
his was where exactly on that property

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because we all sat in on approving him
moving that property remember

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that he changed the orientation of it
it's down over Hill from the nursing

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home I remember where it is we did that
we we voted to change the orientation as

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part of that building long time ago
still isn't finished no it's not yeah I

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pretty much drive by there quite often

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so I was saying ear when I do that train
Ambassador job we take up right by

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inform so we do like four trips probably
so I see it you see it a lot four times

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every time I do
this

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are all right I guess six o'clock should
we go ahead and get started then even

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though Sten is not

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here we might well we could jump ahead
to the staff approvals all right so then

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all right why don't we do that okay so
I'm going to call to order the historic

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district commission meeting for Monday
May 13

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2024 um please rise for the Pledge of

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Allegiance I pledge alance to the flag
of the United States of America and to

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the Republic for which it stands one
nation under God

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indivisible
and thank you

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the Maryland land use article empowers
frostburg's historic district commission

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to implement the city's historic
preservation overlay District according

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to the regulations set forth in the
Frostburg zoning ordinance all meetings

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of this commission are open to the
public and conducted in compliance with

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Maryland's open meetings
act the Frostburg historic district

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commission is charged with the
preservation of historic structure

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and the surroundings within the
designated District in order to

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safeguard the heritage of the city
stabilize and improve property values

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strengthen the local economy and Foster
Civic

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Beauty all right let's do the roll call
um I'm the chair Don

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Hine uh Vice chair Joseph Hoffman
present Bill Denman is not with us this

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evening Rob rayan present Morin Brewer
um is not with us this

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evening um and our alternate Dan Daniel
filer is not with us this evening so

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Commissioners if you would please review
the current agenda and when you are

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ready if I could have a
motion would you appear approve the

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agenda a
second

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um all in favor please say I iing
oppose the agenda is

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approved um next Commissioners if you
would review the minutes and when you

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are ready if I could have a
motion and that would be the minutes

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from our last meeting um December 11th
2023 to approve the minutes second all

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right um all in favor of approving the
minutes please say I I hearing none OS

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the minutes are
approved okay so um our first project

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presentation um is 46 Depot Road um
Steve Bennett has um not yet arrived so

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we'll give him a few minutes um and move
to um let's move to Old business which

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would be next in
line do we have any old business to

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discuss

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all right so then let's move to new
business and it looks like we have some

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administrative
approvals um that have happened since

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our last meeting yes we had uh three
staff approvals U one was at 21 Frost

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Avenue for West
C his uh new place of business

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house for C Chiropractic uh he was
installing a small commercial sign um

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and that received staff
approval um then there was 273 East Main

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Street it was just exterior painting it
was going to be from a historic

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pet so that was staff approved and also
4 Bells Lane uh they were doing an in

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house and
um so no change of materals for

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that Jamie did uh was there any
indication of when the 40 Bells Lane

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project would be initiated no I'm I
don't know when that's starting or or

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when it will be completed um it was uh
Bethy had brought that to me she had

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spoke to the gentleman and got the
information and just said would

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did you know just a staff approval for
that one but she didn't say when it

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was where do you where on where is 21
Frost

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Avenue uh it is so if you're on Water
Street uh the Corner House another house

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and then it'll be 21 so it's a third
house on the right as you go up on the

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right side I think it's it's Alley Cuts
through yes it's right there's an alley

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on the other side of it okay yeah we had
seen his

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property back in the fall yes for new
doors and I believe the back by the

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garage and that back door okay yeah and
yeah the little small deck not hardly

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called the deck like a little tiny porch
but steps there yes was he previously in

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the building on Main Street where I
believe was yeah yeah right out Corner

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okay all
right

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um well
do you feel comfortable presenting the

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project or I can give are very rough
details of what I

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know
okay do you have any of

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was he going to bring cut sheets or
other items to show or

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is the
proposed so

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there's one of these in there with the
pictures yeah and then with the

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pictures could you Orient us with
respect to that to the pictures yeah

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with respect to the pictures if you're
looking at the of the house the way you

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would Orient it would be looking at it
with the hole on the left so it would be

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like you're on Water Street looking
straight at the house sitting back

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towards the back of the
property fence would go this way yeah it

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would go off kind of towards you if
you're at Water Street and then straight

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ACR
down so

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yeah I

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know so it would come
off this

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corner and then come out a little bit if
you look at that yeah and this on this

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picture leading from the corner of the
house yeah like that it would be coming

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towards that corner is this corner and
then off a little bit come out a little

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bit and then go that direction yeah kind
of so it'll jut out a bit

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um and then and then the the left side
of the

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house there is a small portion that
comes straight off the edge of the house

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that would be like straight out here and
then back which is kind of hard thre

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dimensionally to think but that that
leads back behind the house and then so

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that that red it comes off and then
follows the street all the way back and

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would does it tie up with that it would
connect with that fence back there so it

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would come off and then all the way that
is a long piece of fence then yeah yeah

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along the along the road so it comes
down this way it would come over short

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way and then come back to that
fence so you can see on here we're

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talking about this corner now is this so
it would come over just a short distance

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and then there would be
space yeah it would run parall coming

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out towards the to that yeah it comes
off

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of this right here it
doesn't

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say
so oh that's a gate I see so there's a

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couple of gates gates yeah it looks like
probably like a doorway and then a

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larger gate to allow
um whatever maybe a vehicle or lawn

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equipment to get through um it does not
say from what I can see he has like the

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size of the gates but he doesn't have
the size of or the

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length of the fence that it comes out
yeah that's because that would be a

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question that I would have is like what
happens here how does it terminate at

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this corner there is there is fence also
there which I don't it's hard to see but

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there is fencing that runs this is I
believe the same fence that's behind the

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house over here that comes so I believe
it would terminate and connect with that

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fence just can't see it in these
pictures where it comes back this

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direction it right there is there is a
fence so you can see it like a little

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bit here and a little a little bit here
I don't know specifically on here where

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it's going to connect but after it comes
out and comes back down it looks to be

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that it will connect with that
fencing so is that um in this picture I

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believe actually is that um maybe shed
is that theirs or is that the

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neighbors no it's going to connect the
fence you'd think it would be no

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actually it I don't think it will
connect to that portion of fence because

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that fence though because it looks like
that fence runs back here so it won't

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actually connect it will be out so I
don't see it well that's what that's

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what I'm wondering how does that
terminate it

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doesn't I mean that's the dotted line
the the dark the black you know with the

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dashes that's the property line yeah
that's property

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line and it it wouldn't just end in a
property

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line it's got to well I have a fence
it'll fall down yeah yeah unless the

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only thing I can think of is it just
isn't shown on here which without him

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saying you know being here to say that
there might be a portion of fence that

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that goes back and does connect to what
straight back so kind of similar to what

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happens on this side yeah that's that's
what I'm thinking because I can't

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imagine you would just have like a
portion of that justes the gate would

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pull it down the weight of the gate yeah
it wouldn't make sense to do that

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um yeah that's the only thing I can
think of well

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um and he did plan to be here he did
yeah I spoke to him this morning and let

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him know that it was downstairs here uh
6 6 p.m.

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okay
um well I feel like we don't have enough

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information to move forward with a vote
um however we can talk

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about what the proposed look of the
fence and if the fence

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is we can talk about those
aspects and then say we need some

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further information makes sense and then
we can um

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put it on the calendar for next month
yeah um

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okay well there's a fence on the other
side of the street different kind of

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fence but it's a white fence very
different yeah and how and I don't know

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that that is where is the line for the
historic district come it may be this

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road that's the boundary I know
close

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um it looks like the picket fence would
be similar in in general style to what

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their uh porch railing is
almost except except there

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is a top
to

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yes but it's interesting to think how
how would all of this fencing tie in

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together and

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where's is is that is all that fencing
that's existing his

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fencing I would I don't know do do you
know um is the fence that it the natural

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wood fence that's in the back I is that
on their property is that their fence I

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believe that is his

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mentioned of his okay it would be
problematic if it weren't his and he

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TI yes um yeah so on the screen um it's
his property is right here so it is on

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the boundary yes so what's on the other
side of the road here not in the

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historic
district and it looks like he this side

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is and this side is not
it looks like there's a little bit a red

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line that goes to his property line and
I'll bet that fence is on the other

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property that wood
one so it's going to go up

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against I would think somehow up against
that wooden

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fence which is probably a six foot fence
and these are better only I think it

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says 4 foot in the application
3x four by five oh it doesn't say it

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just says addition of fence along the
road and then you've got three four and

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five foot heights yeah and I I don't
think we can really act on this right

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now just too much too many questions
that are unanswered that we don't

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know um you think that would be
appropriate otherwise though

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looks like the difference is maybe
that's flat across the top where this

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one has a little bit of a a point to
it which one is

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that Province
Town yeah and well the Chelsea looks

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similar too doesn't it it does just
looks like maybe the cross part at the

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top is is yeah a little lowerer lower
the other than that looks the same

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that's the back side of it too

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so I think it looks like the Province
Town has

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um higher uh posts that divide the

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sections where in the other ones it's
kind of even with the pickets and town

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the post is a little
higher so I think that's the difference

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with that

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one he didn't say on this how the
dimensions of the I mean physical

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dimensions of the high fence no I looked
I I thought it did say but I

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don't I don't see an indication on the
application of how high def fence is

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yeah
unfortunately we can't really guess the

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way things now are right where it
connects is going to look different but

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whether that's an issue or not I don't I
think that's the one of the big

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questions how does all this TI together
and I'll bet that's a six foot high

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fence this one here that that would be
my

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guess and I don't know that he's going
to want a six foot high V offense well

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the one he
circled goes three four or

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five
um

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yeah so I guess yeah a lot of those
questions we just kind of need some

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answers too um so I guess I would like
to push it back to the next meeting I

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don't really feel like we can um vote
currently based on the information we

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have do we want make a motion and vote
on that to table it yes I think we

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should have a motion to table motion to
table it until we can talk to the

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property owner more next meeting I
second

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that all right all in favor please say I
I all right hearing none opposed um we

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will table this proposal until we can
get some further

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information all right um Commissioners
does anyone else have anything they'd

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like
to questions or things to discuss

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remember last time we met which was some
time ago yes there was some discussion

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about are
alternate yes Daniel fer yeah and I

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think what's the status of that Bethany
was going to try and contact him I

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believe to see if he could at least come
to a a meeting um just so we could all

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catch up because it had been a while
since um we had all only seen him once I

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think yeah and
it may be that he no longer wishes to

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continue as alternate don't have any
idea possible I don't know she hasn't

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mentioned it so I don't know if she has
or hasn't sure so if you would just

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check in on that I think would be would
be

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great I had a a question that I brought
up earlier not to you guys but down the

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street for me at two it's either 287 or
297 they preparing to put a vinyl fence

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in front of their house and that house
it's it's three houses up from where

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San's alley is so it's in historic
district commission there aren't any

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fences on that whole stretch of Main
Street so there are 4x4 vinyl fences not

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complet permanently fixed in there but
they've been working on that for a week

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or so and that hasn't been I would think
that that would have to be approved and

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I'm not sure whether that would be
appropriate that's that's my two

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questions whether you know it has to
come to it has and I think maybe if if

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you guys could maybe check that out if
that's something that we could nip in

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the butt because if that's not something
that is appropriate I would rather have

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us tell them now and put a fence up and
then have to take it down Jamie you know

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where the this proper is yeah he was
talking to me before so I actually yeah

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it's it's on the screen up here it's
right about here is that correct yep y

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okay uh yeah I don't recall issuing a
permit for that nor have they checked

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into anything and I don't believe I've
seen even a missutility ticket like the

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call 4 dig which is also a very big deal
in case they would

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post um so yeah tomorrow morning that
will be talk my list to look into

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because if it's not appropriate I would
rather not have them keep keep going on

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that would not be there various issues
with that yeah they followed no

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procedure so um yeah I I will be
definitely checking into that and

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um going over that with Bethy provided
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fact I think the only place there have
been fences ever on that whole stretch

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are up past
Cemetery if that you know because they

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used to have a little curb about that
high and they had rod iron fences along

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a lot of parts of Main Street there
might have been one on that section of a

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block between there and whatever that
next street down by the ryal is but on

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my end there's never there have never
been fences there and that one that

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house sits pretty close to the street
anyway so it's not much of a fence yeah

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it's kind of like the situation we had
on Water

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Street applying for a fence when there
was only like maybe 10 feet between the

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sidewalk and the house I know what
you're talking

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so so anyway I just thought I'd bring
that up since every day I go to work I

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drive by that think I apprciate we
should check on

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that we were not aware of that but uh
yeah that will defin be top of my list

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tomorrow morning look into Jamie I have
a question for you I I have heard that

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there might be
some motion to do renovation of the

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pitri building is that something you've
heard yes uh Bethany would be able to

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speak much more on that she's been
dealing with with

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them whoever is working on that but yes
I know that that as far as I'm aware is

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moving forward
and maybe same same thing I thought I

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saw something on the city council agenda
for the um what was it called the nickel

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building where otit was do you remember
when I couldn't find it in any of the

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minutes do you know when that came up or
what came up on that uh we have plans

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for that oh yeah we we've received you
know the the renovation plans for it uh

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I know there was a lot of hold up with
funding and also

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structural making sure that it was
structurally safe which is while the

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cones are out there to prevent you know
if anything would fall off um but I know

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that it is it is moving forward um yeah
there's three big Renovations going on

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up town that's theard building the
nickel building and the diamond building

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where elelo like they're they're doing
interior Renovations on that as well so

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um but as far as when they're going to
start on it that I'm not sure I I just

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remembered I didn't take the time to
look at it when I was looking back

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through the the city's website but I
thought that building came up in the

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last six months something about it but I
don't know what I just thought maybe

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whether they' applied for more funding
or a continuation of because I don't

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know whe they even had a length of time
that they were supposed to have had that

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finished by because it's been like five
years I think there was

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concern between L and the city
about the status of the buckling of the

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front wall and whose
responsibility so you think that's what

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came up in the city council maybe it was
certainly discussions

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okay there's been a lot of discussion
between like

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Bey Hayden and Public Works uh and then
funding with the county as well there's

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been a lot of moving pieces with that
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umans seems everything Ming forward okay
yeah two that two buildings on Main

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Street are so important to Main stre
Community to uh have renovated or of

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course the off Petit and the priter
building and uh happy to see that the

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Pritchard building might be potentially
yeah yeah for all I know that that's

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moving I know Beth spoke about her
excitement with finally having all of

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these buildings getting renovated that's
big news it is it'll really make an

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impact on Main Street for visitors
especially yeah and creating more

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housing units which are in great need
right and well since we're talking

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about big projects that we hope are
going to be happening

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soon uh the old city building is on Main
Street that is going to be

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eventually uh a Frostburg State facility
yes any plans on that that I'm not aware

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of Beth May no more but I'm not certain
I just know that it's kind of something

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that's been in the works for a
while um but I'm uncertain whenever

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they're going to getting started on that
yeah you're right that's another piece

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of the puzzle that would be nice to when
that Challenger project is is complete

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that that'll be a big addition to
absolutely

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absolutely very

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exciting all right well um if there's
nothing else do I hear a motion to

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adjourn motion to adjourn I second all
in favor please say I I all right we are

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adjourned at
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okay well thank you all thank you thank
you thank

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you I just want