[0:00] would take
frch well it's 6 o' so time to work are
[0:05] we exp not live yet we are
[0:09] expec
[0:15] okay I think the only question I had on
his was where exactly on that property
[0:19] because we all sat in on approving him
moving that property remember
[0:25] that he changed the orientation of it
it's down over Hill from the nursing
[0:31] home I remember where it is we did that
we we voted to change the orientation as
[0:36] part of that building long time ago
still isn't finished no it's not yeah I
[0:42] pretty much drive by there quite often
[0:52] so I was saying ear when I do that train
Ambassador job we take up right by
[0:59] inform so we do like four trips probably
so I see it you see it a lot four times
[1:04] every time I do
this
[1:09] are all right I guess six o'clock should
we go ahead and get started then even
[1:17] though Sten is not
[1:22] here we might well we could jump ahead
to the staff approvals all right so then
[1:30] all right why don't we do that okay so
I'm going to call to order the historic
[1:35] district commission meeting for Monday
May 13
[1:39] 2024 um please rise for the Pledge of
[1:44] Allegiance I pledge alance to the flag
of the United States of America and to
[1:50] the Republic for which it stands one
nation under God
[1:55] indivisible
and thank you
[2:01] the Maryland land use article empowers
frostburg's historic district commission
[2:06] to implement the city's historic
preservation overlay District according
[2:11] to the regulations set forth in the
Frostburg zoning ordinance all meetings
[2:16] of this commission are open to the
public and conducted in compliance with
[2:21] Maryland's open meetings
act the Frostburg historic district
[2:26] commission is charged with the
preservation of historic structure
[2:30] and the surroundings within the
designated District in order to
[2:34] safeguard the heritage of the city
stabilize and improve property values
[2:39] strengthen the local economy and Foster
Civic
[2:44] Beauty all right let's do the roll call
um I'm the chair Don
[2:49] Hine uh Vice chair Joseph Hoffman
present Bill Denman is not with us this
[2:56] evening Rob rayan present Morin Brewer
um is not with us this
[3:03] evening um and our alternate Dan Daniel
filer is not with us this evening so
[3:10] Commissioners if you would please review
the current agenda and when you are
[3:15] ready if I could have a
motion would you appear approve the
[3:20] agenda a
second
[3:25] um all in favor please say I iing
oppose the agenda is
[3:32] approved um next Commissioners if you
would review the minutes and when you
[3:37] are ready if I could have a
motion and that would be the minutes
[3:42] from our last meeting um December 11th
2023 to approve the minutes second all
[3:52] right um all in favor of approving the
minutes please say I I hearing none OS
[4:00] the minutes are
approved okay so um our first project
[4:07] presentation um is 46 Depot Road um
Steve Bennett has um not yet arrived so
[4:15] we'll give him a few minutes um and move
to um let's move to Old business which
[4:23] would be next in
line do we have any old business to
[4:29] discuss
[4:32] all right so then let's move to new
business and it looks like we have some
[4:38] administrative
approvals um that have happened since
[4:42] our last meeting yes we had uh three
staff approvals U one was at 21 Frost
[4:52] Avenue for West
C his uh new place of business
[4:59] house for C Chiropractic uh he was
installing a small commercial sign um
[5:06] and that received staff
approval um then there was 273 East Main
[5:13] Street it was just exterior painting it
was going to be from a historic
[5:19] pet so that was staff approved and also
4 Bells Lane uh they were doing an in
[5:27] house and
um so no change of materals for
[5:35] that Jamie did uh was there any
indication of when the 40 Bells Lane
[5:40] project would be initiated no I'm I
don't know when that's starting or or
[5:48] when it will be completed um it was uh
Bethy had brought that to me she had
[5:53] spoke to the gentleman and got the
information and just said would
[5:59] did you know just a staff approval for
that one but she didn't say when it
[6:05] was where do you where on where is 21
Frost
[6:09] Avenue uh it is so if you're on Water
Street uh the Corner House another house
[6:21] and then it'll be 21 so it's a third
house on the right as you go up on the
[6:25] right side I think it's it's Alley Cuts
through yes it's right there's an alley
[6:32] on the other side of it okay yeah we had
seen his
[6:37] property back in the fall yes for new
doors and I believe the back by the
[6:43] garage and that back door okay yeah and
yeah the little small deck not hardly
[6:50] called the deck like a little tiny porch
but steps there yes was he previously in
[6:56] the building on Main Street where I
believe was yeah yeah right out Corner
[7:08] okay all
right
[7:12] um well
do you feel comfortable presenting the
[7:17] project or I can give are very rough
details of what I
[7:24] know
okay do you have any of
[7:30] was he going to bring cut sheets or
other items to show or
[8:05] is the
proposed so
[8:09] there's one of these in there with the
pictures yeah and then with the
[8:21] pictures could you Orient us with
respect to that to the pictures yeah
[8:26] with respect to the pictures if you're
looking at the of the house the way you
[8:31] would Orient it would be looking at it
with the hole on the left so it would be
[8:38] like you're on Water Street looking
straight at the house sitting back
[8:43] towards the back of the
property fence would go this way yeah it
[8:47] would go off kind of towards you if
you're at Water Street and then straight
[8:54] ACR
down so
[8:59] yeah I
[9:02] know so it would come
off this
[9:07] corner and then come out a little bit if
you look at that yeah and this on this
[9:13] picture leading from the corner of the
house yeah like that it would be coming
[9:19] towards that corner is this corner and
then off a little bit come out a little
[9:24] bit and then go that direction yeah kind
of so it'll jut out a bit
[9:29] um and then and then the the left side
of the
[9:36] house there is a small portion that
comes straight off the edge of the house
[9:42] that would be like straight out here and
then back which is kind of hard thre
[9:49] dimensionally to think but that that
leads back behind the house and then so
[9:54] that that red it comes off and then
follows the street all the way back and
[9:59] would does it tie up with that it would
connect with that fence back there so it
[10:04] would come off and then all the way that
is a long piece of fence then yeah yeah
[10:09] along the along the road so it comes
down this way it would come over short
[10:14] way and then come back to that
fence so you can see on here we're
[10:21] talking about this corner now is this so
it would come over just a short distance
[10:27] and then there would be
space yeah it would run parall coming
[10:32] out towards the to that yeah it comes
off
[10:37] of this right here it
doesn't
[10:43] say
so oh that's a gate I see so there's a
[10:49] couple of gates gates yeah it looks like
probably like a doorway and then a
[10:54] larger gate to allow
um whatever maybe a vehicle or lawn
[11:00] equipment to get through um it does not
say from what I can see he has like the
[11:10] size of the gates but he doesn't have
the size of or the
[11:15] length of the fence that it comes out
yeah that's because that would be a
[11:20] question that I would have is like what
happens here how does it terminate at
[11:28] this corner there is there is fence also
there which I don't it's hard to see but
[11:36] there is fencing that runs this is I
believe the same fence that's behind the
[11:41] house over here that comes so I believe
it would terminate and connect with that
[11:48] fence just can't see it in these
pictures where it comes back this
[11:52] direction it right there is there is a
fence so you can see it like a little
[11:58] bit here and a little a little bit here
I don't know specifically on here where
[12:02] it's going to connect but after it comes
out and comes back down it looks to be
[12:09] that it will connect with that
fencing so is that um in this picture I
[12:16] believe actually is that um maybe shed
is that theirs or is that the
[12:23] neighbors no it's going to connect the
fence you'd think it would be no
[12:27] actually it I don't think it will
connect to that portion of fence because
[12:31] that fence though because it looks like
that fence runs back here so it won't
[12:36] actually connect it will be out so I
don't see it well that's what that's
[12:39] what I'm wondering how does that
terminate it
[12:42] doesn't I mean that's the dotted line
the the dark the black you know with the
[12:49] dashes that's the property line yeah
that's property
[12:53] line and it it wouldn't just end in a
property
[12:57] line it's got to well I have a fence
it'll fall down yeah yeah unless the
[13:03] only thing I can think of is it just
isn't shown on here which without him
[13:08] saying you know being here to say that
there might be a portion of fence that
[13:14] that goes back and does connect to what
straight back so kind of similar to what
[13:21] happens on this side yeah that's that's
what I'm thinking because I can't
[13:27] imagine you would just have like a
portion of that justes the gate would
[13:31] pull it down the weight of the gate yeah
it wouldn't make sense to do that
[13:39] um yeah that's the only thing I can
think of well
[13:44] um and he did plan to be here he did
yeah I spoke to him this morning and let
[13:49] him know that it was downstairs here uh
6 6 p.m.
[13:55] okay
um well I feel like we don't have enough
[14:00] information to move forward with a vote
um however we can talk
[14:10] about what the proposed look of the
fence and if the fence
[14:16] is we can talk about those
aspects and then say we need some
[14:23] further information makes sense and then
we can um
[14:29] put it on the calendar for next month
yeah um
[14:37] okay well there's a fence on the other
side of the street different kind of
[14:42] fence but it's a white fence very
different yeah and how and I don't know
[14:47] that that is where is the line for the
historic district come it may be this
[14:55] road that's the boundary I know
close
[15:03] um it looks like the picket fence would
be similar in in general style to what
[15:11] their uh porch railing is
almost except except there
[15:20] is a top
to
[15:26] yes but it's interesting to think how
how would all of this fencing tie in
[15:32] together and
[15:36] where's is is that is all that fencing
that's existing his
[15:42] fencing I would I don't know do do you
know um is the fence that it the natural
[15:51] wood fence that's in the back I is that
on their property is that their fence I
[15:57] believe that is his
[16:01] mentioned of his okay it would be
problematic if it weren't his and he
[16:08] TI yes um yeah so on the screen um it's
his property is right here so it is on
[16:19] the boundary yes so what's on the other
side of the road here not in the
[16:24] historic
district and it looks like he this side
[16:27] is and this side is not
it looks like there's a little bit a red
[16:31] line that goes to his property line and
I'll bet that fence is on the other
[16:35] property that wood
one so it's going to go up
[16:39] against I would think somehow up against
that wooden
[16:49] fence which is probably a six foot fence
and these are better only I think it
[16:55] says 4 foot in the application
3x four by five oh it doesn't say it
[17:02] just says addition of fence along the
road and then you've got three four and
[17:07] five foot heights yeah and I I don't
think we can really act on this right
[17:11] now just too much too many questions
that are unanswered that we don't
[17:17] know um you think that would be
appropriate otherwise though
[17:37] looks like the difference is maybe
that's flat across the top where this
[17:40] one has a little bit of a a point to
it which one is
[17:47] that Province
Town yeah and well the Chelsea looks
[17:53] similar too doesn't it it does just
looks like maybe the cross part at the
[17:58] top is is yeah a little lowerer lower
the other than that looks the same
[18:05] that's the back side of it too
[18:09] so I think it looks like the Province
Town has
[18:15] um higher uh posts that divide the
[18:23] sections where in the other ones it's
kind of even with the pickets and town
[18:29] the post is a little
higher so I think that's the difference
[18:35] with that
[18:38] one he didn't say on this how the
dimensions of the I mean physical
[18:44] dimensions of the high fence no I looked
I I thought it did say but I
[18:49] don't I don't see an indication on the
application of how high def fence is
[19:04] yeah
unfortunately we can't really guess the
[19:08] way things now are right where it
connects is going to look different but
[19:13] whether that's an issue or not I don't I
think that's the one of the big
[19:17] questions how does all this TI together
and I'll bet that's a six foot high
[19:21] fence this one here that that would be
my
[19:25] guess and I don't know that he's going
to want a six foot high V offense well
[19:30] the one he
circled goes three four or
[19:35] five
um
[19:41] yeah so I guess yeah a lot of those
questions we just kind of need some
[19:47] answers too um so I guess I would like
to push it back to the next meeting I
[19:55] don't really feel like we can um vote
currently based on the information we
[20:06] have do we want make a motion and vote
on that to table it yes I think we
[20:12] should have a motion to table motion to
table it until we can talk to the
[20:17] property owner more next meeting I
second
[20:22] that all right all in favor please say I
I all right hearing none opposed um we
[20:30] will table this proposal until we can
get some further
[20:39] information all right um Commissioners
does anyone else have anything they'd
[20:46] like
to questions or things to discuss
[20:52] remember last time we met which was some
time ago yes there was some discussion
[20:57] about are
alternate yes Daniel fer yeah and I
[21:05] think what's the status of that Bethany
was going to try and contact him I
[21:10] believe to see if he could at least come
to a a meeting um just so we could all
[21:19] catch up because it had been a while
since um we had all only seen him once I
[21:26] think yeah and
it may be that he no longer wishes to
[21:31] continue as alternate don't have any
idea possible I don't know she hasn't
[21:36] mentioned it so I don't know if she has
or hasn't sure so if you would just
[21:41] check in on that I think would be would
be
[21:47] great I had a a question that I brought
up earlier not to you guys but down the
[21:53] street for me at two it's either 287 or
297 they preparing to put a vinyl fence
[22:00] in front of their house and that house
it's it's three houses up from where
[22:05] San's alley is so it's in historic
district commission there aren't any
[22:08] fences on that whole stretch of Main
Street so there are 4x4 vinyl fences not
[22:16] complet permanently fixed in there but
they've been working on that for a week
[22:20] or so and that hasn't been I would think
that that would have to be approved and
[22:27] I'm not sure whether that would be
appropriate that's that's my two
[22:31] questions whether you know it has to
come to it has and I think maybe if if
[22:37] you guys could maybe check that out if
that's something that we could nip in
[22:42] the butt because if that's not something
that is appropriate I would rather have
[22:48] us tell them now and put a fence up and
then have to take it down Jamie you know
[22:52] where the this proper is yeah he was
talking to me before so I actually yeah
[22:59] it's it's on the screen up here it's
right about here is that correct yep y
[23:07] okay uh yeah I don't recall issuing a
permit for that nor have they checked
[23:16] into anything and I don't believe I've
seen even a missutility ticket like the
[23:21] call 4 dig which is also a very big deal
in case they would
[23:30] post um so yeah tomorrow morning that
will be talk my list to look into
[23:37] because if it's not appropriate I would
rather not have them keep keep going on
[23:41] that would not be there various issues
with that yeah they followed no
[23:47] procedure so um yeah I I will be
definitely checking into that and
[23:54] um going over that with Bethy provided
she's
[23:59] fact I think the only place there have
been fences ever on that whole stretch
[24:03] are up past
Cemetery if that you know because they
[24:08] used to have a little curb about that
high and they had rod iron fences along
[24:12] a lot of parts of Main Street there
might have been one on that section of a
[24:16] block between there and whatever that
next street down by the ryal is but on
[24:20] my end there's never there have never
been fences there and that one that
[24:25] house sits pretty close to the street
anyway so it's not much of a fence yeah
[24:31] it's kind of like the situation we had
on Water
[24:34] Street applying for a fence when there
was only like maybe 10 feet between the
[24:39] sidewalk and the house I know what
you're talking
[24:42] so so anyway I just thought I'd bring
that up since every day I go to work I
[24:48] drive by that think I apprciate we
should check on
[24:52] that we were not aware of that but uh
yeah that will defin be top of my list
[24:57] tomorrow morning look into Jamie I have
a question for you I I have heard that
[25:03] there might be
some motion to do renovation of the
[25:09] pitri building is that something you've
heard yes uh Bethany would be able to
[25:16] speak much more on that she's been
dealing with with
[25:20] them whoever is working on that but yes
I know that that as far as I'm aware is
[25:26] moving forward
and maybe same same thing I thought I
[25:32] saw something on the city council agenda
for the um what was it called the nickel
[25:37] building where otit was do you remember
when I couldn't find it in any of the
[25:42] minutes do you know when that came up or
what came up on that uh we have plans
[25:50] for that oh yeah we we've received you
know the the renovation plans for it uh
[25:57] I know there was a lot of hold up with
funding and also
[26:02] structural making sure that it was
structurally safe which is while the
[26:07] cones are out there to prevent you know
if anything would fall off um but I know
[26:14] that it is it is moving forward um yeah
there's three big Renovations going on
[26:21] up town that's theard building the
nickel building and the diamond building
[26:26] where elelo like they're they're doing
interior Renovations on that as well so
[26:33] um but as far as when they're going to
start on it that I'm not sure I I just
[26:40] remembered I didn't take the time to
look at it when I was looking back
[26:43] through the the city's website but I
thought that building came up in the
[26:48] last six months something about it but I
don't know what I just thought maybe
[26:52] whether they' applied for more funding
or a continuation of because I don't
[26:58] know whe they even had a length of time
that they were supposed to have had that
[27:02] finished by because it's been like five
years I think there was
[27:05] concern between L and the city
about the status of the buckling of the
[27:16] front wall and whose
responsibility so you think that's what
[27:21] came up in the city council maybe it was
certainly discussions
[27:29] okay there's been a lot of discussion
between like
[27:34] Bey Hayden and Public Works uh and then
funding with the county as well there's
[27:40] been a lot of moving pieces with that
but
[27:47] umans seems everything Ming forward okay
yeah two that two buildings on Main
[27:54] Street are so important to Main stre
Community to uh have renovated or of
[28:01] course the off Petit and the priter
building and uh happy to see that the
[28:06] Pritchard building might be potentially
yeah yeah for all I know that that's
[28:13] moving I know Beth spoke about her
excitement with finally having all of
[28:19] these buildings getting renovated that's
big news it is it'll really make an
[28:25] impact on Main Street for visitors
especially yeah and creating more
[28:31] housing units which are in great need
right and well since we're talking
[28:39] about big projects that we hope are
going to be happening
[28:45] soon uh the old city building is on Main
Street that is going to be
[28:54] eventually uh a Frostburg State facility
yes any plans on that that I'm not aware
[29:04] of Beth May no more but I'm not certain
I just know that it's kind of something
[29:11] that's been in the works for a
while um but I'm uncertain whenever
[29:16] they're going to getting started on that
yeah you're right that's another piece
[29:21] of the puzzle that would be nice to when
that Challenger project is is complete
[29:25] that that'll be a big addition to
absolutely
[29:28] absolutely very
[29:32] exciting all right well um if there's
nothing else do I hear a motion to
[29:37] adjourn motion to adjourn I second all
in favor please say I I all right we are
[29:45] adjourned at
629
[29:49] okay well thank you all thank you thank
you thank
[29:55] you I just want