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>> mayor: call to order the

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august tweafnth -- 27th meeting

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of the gains scril city plan

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board.

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ms. Mcplul -- ms. Mcmullen,

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formula -- uld call       fold

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if you

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would call the order.

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please.

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>> robert ackerman.

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tina certain is absent.

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robert mermer.

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will be joining late.

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jay morassky.

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>> here.

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>> joshua ney.

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>> here.

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>> jason sanchez.

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>> here.

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>> stephanie sutton.

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>> here.

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>> you have a quorum.

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>> fantastic.

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do we have a motion to adopt t

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he

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agenda as presented?

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>> so moved.

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>> second?

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>> second.

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>> all those in favor?

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thet wasn't all of us.

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>> aye, sorry.

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[laughter]

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>> felt like all those opposed?

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all right, the agenda is

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adopted.

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going to be an oddly contentio

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adoption.

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do we hava proval of the -- hav

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approval of the minutes of las

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meeting?

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or motion to approve the minut

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from last meeting?

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>> so moved.

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>> second.

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>> all right, had those       a

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those in favor?

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aye.

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all opposed?

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okay.

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we all like the minutes from

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last meeting.

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at this point in the meeting I

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open the      open it up to mem

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of the public who want to speak

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to items on the agenda.

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the floor is yours.

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>> ralph's coming up.

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>> no.

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I thought he was doing it.

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all right, seeing none, let's

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start with the first item on th

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agenda, please, ms. Mcmull

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?oon first item on the agenda,

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sign height extension request

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ld26-00008y with       000080 wit

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presentation from allison

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pager.

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>> okay, good evening, board

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chair and board members.

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thank you for having me

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tonight.

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my name is allison pager, I'm a

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planner in the department of

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sustainable development, and I

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before you tonight to present a

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height extension request for a

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I-75 corridor sign for hc sarks

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identified as petition number

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ld26-00008o.

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this request is for subject

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parcel others 6974-040-000 for

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property that is generally

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located along archer road and

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southwest 41st boulevard.

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it's adjacent to I-75 and is

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home to a recently constructed

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hospital campus and freestandin

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emergency room.

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this parcel is owned by hca

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florida gainesville hospital.

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the application is submitted

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by -- enterprises and there is

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representation here tonight by

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the applicant and ownership.

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the parcel has medical services

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zoning and office land use

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designation.

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provide some context and

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familiarly to the subject

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area -- familiarity to the

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subject area before jumping int

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the dethey       the details of

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request.

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provided here is a map of the

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subject area.

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the parcel for the request is

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outlined ipred.

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to the north is archer road, a

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general business zoning, to the

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south is business industrial.

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additional medical services and

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multifamily, and then further

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west is alachua county

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jurisdiction and their

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residential zoning.

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and similarly is provided here

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land use map of the area and

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similar trends for the land

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use.

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and this is a summary of the

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nearby existing uses, and the

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zoning and land use as

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north there is a gas station, a

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hotel, a restaurant.

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office space.

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fdot right-of-way.

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and west there is largely

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residential -- properties.

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pot of view slides using

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google street view to help som

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familiarity to each area for

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this request.

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if you haven't been by there

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campus on the right.

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this   this is to show the mai

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entrance to exiting the parcel

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41st boulevard, and that

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later as well, around these

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on-ramp area as well.

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we're going to jump into the

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we do not get these requests a

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lot, so just wanted to provide

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some extra information to cover

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on this slide about what I-75

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land development code.

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of freestanding permanent signs

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nonresidential district.

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services and hospital is a

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permitted use by right, and the

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the location being within a

309
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quarter mile of the centerroid

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311
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of an I-75 interchange with any

312
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313
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arterial roadway.

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this sign should be readily

315
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visible from I-75.

316
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this sign area of I-75 area

317
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in -- must not exceed 300 square

318
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319
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feet and the sign should fough

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t

321
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be located on frontage where

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adjacent or facing properties

323
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have single-family land use.

324
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these crituria have        cri

325
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teria

326
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have been confirmed by staff.

327
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this will have to be main

328
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maintained during permitting.

329
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so this section further provide

330
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s

331
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that an I-75 corridor sign by

332
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right can have a maximum sign

333
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structure height of 18 feet.

334
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for context, the normal maximum

335
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336
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height for freestanding sign I

337
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s

338
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10 feet for the structure.

339
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this section further details a

340
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341
00:15:39,657 --> 00:15:41,232
process for height extension

342
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requests, which is why we're

343
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here tonight, where an

344
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application can be applied for

345
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346
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to request up to a maximum of

347
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90 feet in height with certain

348
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349
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special considerations that mus

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t

351
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be met during review.

352
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wih the city plan board to be

353
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the final decision maker.

354
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for this sign the applicant is

355
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356
00:16:00,125 --> 00:16:01,347
requesting 30 feet for their

357
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height extension request.

358
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staff has reviewed the

359
00:16:06,721 --> 00:16:07,717
application with the criteria

360
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outlined in section 30-9.7d of

361
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362
00:16:10,655 --> 00:16:11,555
the land development code for

363
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height extension requests for

364
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I-75 corridor signs.

365
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the criteria of which are shown

366
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367
00:16:16,689 --> 00:16:17,455
on this screen.

368
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I'm going to provide some

369
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details about some of the

370
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criteria but please note that

371
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a

372
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more in depth analysis of the

373
00:16:23,235 --> 00:16:24,221
criteria are provided in the

374
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staff report.

375
00:16:25,531 --> 00:16:26,639
I'll also use some of the next

376
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377
00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:28,273
slides to help with

378
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demonstrating some of these

379
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points.

380
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so for criteria a, the applica

381
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nt

382
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provides that the special

383
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condition and circumstance

384
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necessitating the need for a

385
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sign structure with a height o

386
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f

387
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30 feet in order to be sign by

388
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389
00:16:42,223 --> 00:16:51,381
motoristed on I-75, the greener

390
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y

391
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reduces the -- to ground mount

392
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ed

393
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sign that is at or below

394
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18 feet.

395
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staff finds from past reviews o

396
00:17:00,911 --> 00:17:00,911
f

397
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hospital campus to examine the

398
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399
00:17:02,339 --> 00:17:03,777
proposed location of the sign I

400
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n

401
00:17:03,777 --> 00:17:05,253
relation to the sight line of

402
00:17:05,253 --> 00:17:07,279
the I-75 interchange, that the

403
00:17:07,279 --> 00:17:07,279


404
00:17:07,279 --> 00:17:10,121
justification is sound.

405
00:17:10,121 --> 00:17:13,413
so between the hospital campus

406
00:17:13,413 --> 00:17:13,413


407
00:17:13,413 --> 00:17:15,821
and the I-75 interstate, there

408
00:17:15,821 --> 00:17:15,821


409
00:17:15,821 --> 00:17:17,299
are multiple natural manmade

410
00:17:17,299 --> 00:17:19,291
buffers, including stormwater

411
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areas, right-of-way on both

412
00:17:21,057 --> 00:17:22,229
county and state.

413
00:17:22,229 --> 00:17:23,761
there's the on ramp, there's

414
00:17:23,761 --> 00:17:25,295
roadways, landscaping, and

415
00:17:25,295 --> 00:17:25,875
infrastructure that is

416
00:17:25,875 --> 00:17:28,840
associated with the overpass.

417
00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,567
kind of seen with both of these

418
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,

419
00:17:30,567 --> 00:17:32,843
so this picture is you are on

420
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41st boulevard.

421
00:17:33,529 --> 00:17:34,403
the parking lot for the hospita

422
00:17:34,403 --> 00:17:34,403
l

423
00:17:34,403 --> 00:17:34,939
is on the right.

424
00:17:34,939 --> 00:17:37,041
you're looking towards the

425
00:17:37,041 --> 00:17:37,041
interstate.

426
00:17:37,041 --> 00:17:43,915
for criteria b, the applicant

427
00:17:43,915 --> 00:17:46,493
and their engineer provide tha

428
00:17:46,493 --> 00:17:46,493
t

429
00:17:46,493 --> 00:17:48,087
the proposed 30 feet requested

430
00:17:48,087 --> 00:17:48,087


431
00:17:48,087 --> 00:17:49,309
for the height extension, which

432
00:17:49,309 --> 00:17:49,309


433
00:17:49,309 --> 00:17:51,701
is 12 feet above what is allow

434
00:17:51,701 --> 00:17:51,701
ed

435
00:17:51,701 --> 00:17:52,817
by right for the I-75 corridor

436
00:17:52,817 --> 00:17:52,817


437
00:17:52,817 --> 00:17:53,829
signs is the minimum necessary

438
00:17:53,829 --> 00:17:53,829


439
00:17:53,829 --> 00:17:55,959
to achieve a readable sign fac

440
00:17:55,959 --> 00:17:55,959
e

441
00:17:55,959 --> 00:17:58,067
above the obstructed sight line

442
00:17:58,067 --> 00:17:58,067


443
00:17:58,067 --> 00:17:59,563
in order to deliver adequate

444
00:17:59,563 --> 00:18:01,899
advanced identification to I-7

445
00:18:01,899 --> 00:18:01,899
5

446
00:18:01,899 --> 00:18:01,899
motorists.

447
00:18:01,899 --> 00:18:03,733
the applicant and engineer

448
00:18:03,733 --> 00:18:05,265
further provide with proposed

449
00:18:05,265 --> 00:18:06,963
signage elevations as seen here

450
00:18:06,963 --> 00:18:06,963


451
00:18:06,963 --> 00:18:08,539
that the letter height would

452
00:18:08,539 --> 00:18:11,539
provide optimal reading from

453
00:18:11,539 --> 00:18:13,139
275 feet with maximum full

454
00:18:13,139 --> 00:18:19,647
reading from 825 to 1,238 feet.

455
00:18:19,647 --> 00:18:19,647


456
00:18:19,647 --> 00:18:22,827
for criteria d, the request is

457
00:18:22,827 --> 00:18:22,827


458
00:18:22,827 --> 00:18:24,487
found by staff to be compatibl

459
00:18:24,487 --> 00:18:24,487
e

460
00:18:24,487 --> 00:18:27,369
with the primary use of the

461
00:18:27,369 --> 00:18:30,433
property as a hospital campus

462
00:18:30,433 --> 00:18:32,399
and location is optimal being

463
00:18:32,399 --> 00:18:33,697
directly adjacent to the I-75

464
00:18:33,697 --> 00:18:33,697
interchange.

465
00:18:33,697 --> 00:18:35,249
for additional context in terms

466
00:18:35,249 --> 00:18:35,249


467
00:18:35,249 --> 00:18:36,587
of compatibility and height for

468
00:18:36,587 --> 00:18:36,587


469
00:18:36,587 --> 00:18:37,695
existing structures on the

470
00:18:37,695 --> 00:18:41,805
property, the permitting for t

471
00:18:41,805 --> 00:18:41,805
he

472
00:18:41,805 --> 00:18:43,111
campus shows a maximum building

473
00:18:43,111 --> 00:18:43,111


474
00:18:43,111 --> 00:18:46,609
height of four stories and

475
00:18:46,609 --> 00:18:47,935
58 feet from the elevations of

476
00:18:47,935 --> 00:18:47,935


477
00:18:47,935 --> 00:18:49,885
that review; and that's outside

478
00:18:49,885 --> 00:18:49,885


479
00:18:49,885 --> 00:18:52,847
of necessary rooftop equipment.

480
00:18:52,847 --> 00:18:52,847


481
00:18:52,847 --> 00:18:55,481
and considering other factors

482
00:18:55,481 --> 00:18:56,791
like faa requirements and the

483
00:18:56,791 --> 00:18:59,185
gains ril      gainesville reg

484
00:18:59,185 --> 00:18:59,185
ional

485
00:18:59,185 --> 00:18:59,823
airport height zone

486
00:18:59,823 --> 00:19:00,641
requirements, this property

487
00:19:00,641 --> 00:19:02,499
being within subzone 2, the

488
00:19:02,499 --> 00:19:04,039
proposed height of 30 feet wou

489
00:19:04,039 --> 00:19:04,039
ld

490
00:19:04,039 --> 00:19:05,249
remain below the height that is

491
00:19:05,249 --> 00:19:05,249


492
00:19:05,249 --> 00:19:07,607
currently existing on the

493
00:19:07,607 --> 00:19:08,779
property as constructed on sit

494
00:19:08,779 --> 00:19:08,779
e,

495
00:19:08,779 --> 00:19:09,943
and well below what is allowed

496
00:19:09,943 --> 00:19:09,943


497
00:19:09,943 --> 00:19:11,803
by right in the medical service

498
00:19:11,803 --> 00:19:11,803
s

499
00:19:11,803 --> 00:19:13,773
zoning district and the office

500
00:19:13,773 --> 00:19:13,773


501
00:19:13,773 --> 00:19:16,875
future land use category.

502
00:19:16,875 --> 00:19:18,974
and lastly on that point, the

503
00:19:18,974 --> 00:19:21,605
proposed location of the sign I

504
00:19:21,605 --> 00:19:21,605
s

505
00:19:21,605 --> 00:19:24,013
nearest that I-75 interchange,

506
00:19:24,013 --> 00:19:24,013


507
00:19:24,013 --> 00:19:26,747
so it's a pretty large parcel.

508
00:19:26,747 --> 00:19:26,747


509
00:19:26,747 --> 00:19:28,619
so where the proposed sign is

510
00:19:28,619 --> 00:19:32,555
found to be optimal for what

511
00:19:32,555 --> 00:19:35,323
I-75 corridor signs are for, a

512
00:19:35,323 --> 00:19:35,323
nd

513
00:19:35,323 --> 00:19:37,401
it's opposite the side of the

514
00:19:37,401 --> 00:19:38,595
property that is nearest the

515
00:19:38,595 --> 00:19:40,477
city limits and nearest the

516
00:19:40,477 --> 00:19:43,841
alachua county residential

517
00:19:43,841 --> 00:19:44,065


518
00:19:44,065 --> 00:19:45,497
residentially zoned parcels tha

519
00:19:45,497 --> 00:19:45,497
t

520
00:19:45,497 --> 00:19:46,249
are on the other side of the

521
00:19:46,249 --> 00:19:47,567
parcels, so it provides distanc

522
00:19:47,567 --> 00:19:47,567
e

523
00:19:47,567 --> 00:19:48,667
and buffer to any potential

524
00:19:48,667 --> 00:19:49,779
impacts of the sign height fro

525
00:19:49,779 --> 00:19:49,779
m

526
00:19:49,779 --> 00:19:55,045
that side of the property.

527
00:19:55,045 --> 00:19:56,685
and finally, here is provided

528
00:19:56,685 --> 00:19:57,781
the public notice items as

529
00:19:57,781 --> 00:19:58,845
required for this public

530
00:19:58,845 --> 00:19:58,845
meeting.

531
00:19:58,845 --> 00:20:02,549
and lastly, based on

532
00:20:02,549 --> 00:20:08,135
of the criteria mentioned in

533
00:20:08,135 --> 00:20:08,685
this presentation, staff --

534
00:20:08,685 --> 00:20:11,530
recommend approval of additiona

535
00:20:11,530 --> 00:20:11,530
l

536
00:20:11,530 --> 00:20:12,699
000080 for the I-75 corridor

537
00:20:12,699 --> 00:20:14,161
sign height extension request

538
00:20:14,161 --> 00:20:15,901
for the sign structure height o

539
00:20:15,901 --> 00:20:15,901
f

540
00:20:15,901 --> 00:20:17,673
30 feet as the final decision

541
00:20:17,673 --> 00:20:18,873
making authority for these

542
00:20:18,873 --> 00:20:19,869
requests, the land development

543
00:20:19,869 --> 00:20:19,869


544
00:20:19,869 --> 00:20:23,009
code in section 30-9.7d outline

545
00:20:23,009 --> 00:20:23,009
s

546
00:20:23,009 --> 00:20:24,477
the three applicable decisions

547
00:20:24,477 --> 00:20:24,477


548
00:20:24,477 --> 00:20:25,437
available for the board in

549
00:20:25,437 --> 00:20:26,675
making their decision that are

550
00:20:26,675 --> 00:20:26,675


551
00:20:26,675 --> 00:20:28,581
provided on the screen.

552
00:20:28,581 --> 00:20:30,376
in addition, staff did receive

553
00:20:30,376 --> 00:20:30,376


554
00:20:30,376 --> 00:20:32,171
today a public comment in the

555
00:20:32,171 --> 00:20:33,983
form of an email that did

556
00:20:33,983 --> 00:20:35,709
express concern pertaining to

557
00:20:35,709 --> 00:20:36,953
the property owner

558
00:20:36,953 --> 00:20:36,953
authorization.

559
00:20:36,953 --> 00:20:38,897
the concern was reviewed and

560
00:20:38,897 --> 00:20:40,357
responded to, and no issues wer

561
00:20:40,357 --> 00:20:40,357
e

562
00:20:40,357 --> 00:20:41,897
found to continue from that

563
00:20:41,897 --> 00:20:41,897
concern.

564
00:20:41,897 --> 00:20:45,597
so just wanted to share that.

565
00:20:45,597 --> 00:20:48,125
so we are available for

566
00:20:48,125 --> 00:20:49,147
questions and discussions and

567
00:20:49,147 --> 00:20:49,965
the applicant and also

568
00:20:49,965 --> 00:20:51,279
representation from hca is her

569
00:20:51,279 --> 00:20:51,279
e

570
00:20:51,279 --> 00:20:51,597
as well.

571
00:20:51,597 --> 00:20:56,215
>> okay, thank you see    so m

572
00:20:56,215 --> 00:20:56,215
uch

573
00:20:56,215 --> 00:20:58,773
have    for a very thorough

574
00:20:58,773 --> 00:20:58,773
presentation.

575
00:20:58,773 --> 00:21:01,531
does anybody on the board have

576
00:21:01,531 --> 00:21:01,531


577
00:21:01,531 --> 00:21:01,531
questions?

578
00:21:01,531 --> 00:21:07,659
ms. Bell, like out of practice.

579
00:21:07,659 --> 00:21:07,659


580
00:21:07,659 --> 00:21:08,257
>> thank you for that.

581
00:21:08,257 --> 00:21:09,977
I'm just curious, because the

582
00:21:09,977 --> 00:21:12,119
email wasn't forwarded to us

583
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:12,793
that I could see.

584
00:21:12,793 --> 00:21:14,429
what was the resident's

585
00:21:14,429 --> 00:21:14,429
concern?

586
00:21:14,429 --> 00:21:18,731
>> so they were referencing a

587
00:21:18,731 --> 00:21:19,797
section of florida

588
00:21:19,797 --> 00:21:22,867
administration code that was f

589
00:21:22,867 --> 00:21:22,867
or

590
00:21:22,867 --> 00:21:25,243
wastewater permitting but they

591
00:21:25,243 --> 00:21:25,243


592
00:21:25,243 --> 00:21:27,465
were calling into question the

593
00:21:27,465 --> 00:21:27,465
,

594
00:21:27,465 --> 00:21:29,307
the property owner authorizati

595
00:21:29,307 --> 00:21:29,307
on

596
00:21:29,307 --> 00:21:31,531
because for any application you

597
00:21:31,531 --> 00:21:31,531


598
00:21:31,531 --> 00:21:33,911
have to be property -- you hav

599
00:21:33,911 --> 00:21:33,911
e

600
00:21:33,911 --> 00:21:34,681
to have property owner

601
00:21:34,681 --> 00:21:35,645
authorization so it is who is

602
00:21:35,645 --> 00:21:36,743
signing the application, so if

603
00:21:36,743 --> 00:21:36,743


604
00:21:36,743 --> 00:21:39,661
someone is signing on behalf of

605
00:21:39,661 --> 00:21:40,313


606
00:21:40,313 --> 00:21:42,893
of a property owner that is par

607
00:21:42,893 --> 00:21:42,893
t

608
00:21:42,893 --> 00:21:44,115
of the checks we do as staff a

609
00:21:44,115 --> 00:21:44,115
s

610
00:21:44,115 --> 00:21:46,491
part of the submittal so all o

611
00:21:46,491 --> 00:21:46,491
f

612
00:21:46,491 --> 00:21:47,685
that stuff was tbowpped to be I

613
00:21:47,685 --> 00:21:47,685
n

614
00:21:47,685 --> 00:21:49,031
line -- found to be in line.

615
00:21:49,031 --> 00:21:50,893
so we just replied to address

616
00:21:50,893 --> 00:21:51,787
their expern let them know that

617
00:21:51,787 --> 00:21:51,787


618
00:21:51,787 --> 00:21:53,585
it did meet the standards that

619
00:21:53,585 --> 00:21:53,585


620
00:21:53,585 --> 00:21:55,037
are in our land development cod

621
00:21:55,037 --> 00:21:55,037
e

622
00:21:55,037 --> 00:21:56,651
and that the section he was

623
00:21:56,651 --> 00:21:58,207
specifically referencing wasn'

624
00:21:58,207 --> 00:21:58,207
t

625
00:21:58,207 --> 00:22:00,071
really applicable, but also jus

626
00:22:00,071 --> 00:22:00,071
t

627
00:22:00,071 --> 00:22:02,139
to let him know that we did do

628
00:22:02,139 --> 00:22:02,375
a

629
00:22:02,375 --> 00:22:03,709
thorough check for what our

630
00:22:03,709 --> 00:22:05,955
procedures are for checking ea

631
00:22:05,955 --> 00:22:05,955
ch

632
00:22:05,955 --> 00:22:07,375
of those conditions.

633
00:22:07,375 --> 00:22:08,587
>> okay, thank you.

634
00:22:08,587 --> 00:22:09,575
>> thank you, and the property

635
00:22:09,575 --> 00:22:09,575


636
00:22:09,575 --> 00:22:12,387
owner authorization and the

637
00:22:12,387 --> 00:22:13,553
letter of authorization that w

638
00:22:13,553 --> 00:22:13,553
as

639
00:22:13,553 --> 00:22:15,285
also provided in the submittal

640
00:22:15,285 --> 00:22:15,285


641
00:22:15,285 --> 00:22:17,695
are part of the backup as well.

642
00:22:17,695 --> 00:22:17,695


643
00:22:17,695 --> 00:22:18,754
>> thank you.

644
00:22:18,754 --> 00:22:19,995
>> thank you.

645
00:22:19,995 --> 00:22:21,527
>> any other questionsfor

646
00:22:21,527 --> 00:22:24,383
ms. Pager while we've got her

647
00:22:24,383 --> 00:22:24,383
up

648
00:22:24,383 --> 00:22:24,383
here?

649
00:22:24,383 --> 00:22:26,459
seeing none, if the applicant

650
00:22:26,459 --> 00:22:29,369
wants to come some    and speak

651
00:22:29,369 --> 00:22:29,369
,

652
00:22:29,369 --> 00:22:30,605
you're more than welcome to.

653
00:22:30,605 --> 00:22:31,768
if you don't, that's also

654
00:22:31,768 --> 00:22:32,373
totally fine.

655
00:22:32,373 --> 00:22:33,167
>> I can never be that

656
00:22:33,167 --> 00:22:33,167
thorough.

657
00:22:33,167 --> 00:22:33,167
[laughter]

658
00:22:33,167 --> 00:22:35,283
>> fair enough.

659
00:22:35,283 --> 00:22:36,039
it was a very good

660
00:22:36,039 --> 00:22:36,039
presentation.

661
00:22:36,039 --> 00:22:38,975
>> we don't get a lot of these

662
00:22:38,975 --> 00:22:38,975
,

663
00:22:38,975 --> 00:22:38,975
so.

664
00:22:38,975 --> 00:22:41,855
>> like -- this is the first

665
00:22:41,855 --> 00:22:44,579
like giant sign item that's com

666
00:22:44,579 --> 00:22:44,579
e

667
00:22:44,579 --> 00:22:46,750
before me at least, so I don't

668
00:22:46,750 --> 00:22:46,750


669
00:22:46,750 --> 00:22:48,719
recall having to do -- oh,

670
00:22:48,719 --> 00:22:48,719
yeah.

671
00:22:48,719 --> 00:22:51,817
well I see these guys have don

672
00:22:51,817 --> 00:22:51,817
e

673
00:22:51,817 --> 00:22:53,089
it longer than I have, so

674
00:22:53,089 --> 00:22:54,415
they've seen a little bit more

675
00:22:54,415 --> 00:22:54,415


676
00:22:54,415 --> 00:22:56,355
than I have.

677
00:22:56,355 --> 00:22:56,617
all right.

678
00:22:56,617 --> 00:23:00,229
well, I see, I suppose I'll ope

679
00:23:00,229 --> 00:23:00,229
n

680
00:23:00,229 --> 00:23:02,731
it up to members of the public.

681
00:23:02,731 --> 00:23:02,731


682
00:23:02,731 --> 00:23:04,835
I don't think you guys have an

683
00:23:04,835 --> 00:23:04,835


684
00:23:04,835 --> 00:23:05,901
opinion on this at all, so we

685
00:23:05,901 --> 00:23:06,743
will bring it back to the board

686
00:23:06,743 --> 00:23:06,743


687
00:23:06,743 --> 00:23:09,878
for discussion and a motion.

688
00:23:09,878 --> 00:23:13,812
do we have a motion on this

689
00:23:13,812 --> 00:23:13,812
item?

690
00:23:13,812 --> 00:23:16,999
>> I'll make a motion to approve

691
00:23:16,999 --> 00:23:16,999


692
00:23:16,999 --> 00:23:25,955
ld26-000080 I-75 sign height

693
00:23:25,955 --> 00:23:27,497
extension request as presented

694
00:23:27,497 --> 00:23:27,497
.

695
00:23:27,497 --> 00:23:28,361
>> a second?

696
00:23:28,361 --> 00:23:28,993
all right, a second.

697
00:23:28,993 --> 00:23:29,993
all those in favor?

698
00:23:29,993 --> 00:23:29,993
aye.

699
00:23:29,993 --> 00:23:31,145
all opposed?

700
00:23:31,145 --> 00:23:31,957
it's unanimous.

701
00:23:31,957 --> 00:23:32,971
all right.

702
00:23:32,971 --> 00:23:32,971
congratulations.

703
00:23:32,971 --> 00:23:35,905
you have a big sign.

704
00:23:35,905 --> 00:23:49,283
thank you very much.

705
00:23:49,283 --> 00:23:57,716
all

706
00:23:57,716 --> 00:23:58,803
>> all right, if you want to

707
00:23:58,803 --> 00:23:59,897
read it into the record, then

708
00:23:59,897 --> 00:24:01,293
the floor will be yours.

709
00:24:01,293 --> 00:24:03,059
>> so this next item is a

710
00:24:03,059 --> 00:24:04,161
discussion item for you all, no

711
00:24:04,161 --> 00:24:04,161
t

712
00:24:04,161 --> 00:24:05,131
asking for any votes this

713
00:24:05,131 --> 00:24:07,273
evening, but wanted to bring you

714
00:24:07,273 --> 00:24:07,273


715
00:24:07,273 --> 00:24:11,037
an update on one of the, or a

716
00:24:11,037 --> 00:24:13,201
few of the statutory changes

717
00:24:13,201 --> 00:24:15,169
that have gone into effect as o

718
00:24:15,169 --> 00:24:15,169
f

719
00:24:15,169 --> 00:24:18,578
july 1st of this year.

720
00:24:18,578 --> 00:24:19,245
there are, there are several

721
00:24:19,245 --> 00:24:21,097
different statutes that have

722
00:24:21,097 --> 00:24:23,615
been adopted that go into effec

723
00:24:23,615 --> 00:24:23,615
t

724
00:24:23,615 --> 00:24:25,479
at various times, so one that

725
00:24:25,479 --> 00:24:26,350
I'll be talking about this

726
00:24:26,350 --> 00:24:28,985
evening is house bill 803.

727
00:24:28,985 --> 00:24:30,619
there are a few others which

728
00:24:30,619 --> 00:24:32,187
we'll bing you more info on tha

729
00:24:32,187 --> 00:24:32,187
t

730
00:24:32,187 --> 00:24:33,316
go into effect in january of

731
00:24:33,316 --> 00:24:33,725
next year.

732
00:24:33,725 --> 00:24:35,731
but there's a few things in the

733
00:24:35,731 --> 00:24:35,731
,

734
00:24:35,731 --> 00:24:39,097
if the     in the bill that wil

735
00:24:39,097 --> 00:24:39,097
l

736
00:24:39,097 --> 00:24:40,635
impact how the planning and

737
00:24:40,635 --> 00:24:42,931
building departments operate a

738
00:24:42,931 --> 00:24:42,931
nd

739
00:24:42,931 --> 00:24:44,571
some of the land development

740
00:24:44,571 --> 00:24:45,808
code regulations that are

741
00:24:45,808 --> 00:24:48,879
currently in our code, and may

742
00:24:48,879 --> 00:24:48,879


743
00:24:48,879 --> 00:24:50,071
be policy considerations for y

744
00:24:50,071 --> 00:24:50,071
ou

745
00:24:50,071 --> 00:24:51,274
all, so just wanted to inform

746
00:24:51,274 --> 00:24:53,543
you of those and just let you

747
00:24:53,543 --> 00:24:56,199
know kind of some things we've

748
00:24:56,199 --> 00:24:56,199


749
00:24:56,199 --> 00:24:57,181
been working on.

750
00:24:57,181 --> 00:24:58,585
so just an informational item,

751
00:24:58,585 --> 00:24:58,585


752
00:24:58,585 --> 00:25:00,447
and then feel free to have

753
00:25:00,447 --> 00:25:01,955
discussion afterwards if, you

754
00:25:01,955 --> 00:25:03,588
know, if there is anything you

755
00:25:03,588 --> 00:25:03,588


756
00:25:03,588 --> 00:25:07,058
want to propose implementing,

757
00:25:07,058 --> 00:25:08,990
but yeah.

758
00:25:08,990 --> 00:25:11,961
so just to give you an

759
00:25:11,961 --> 00:25:11,961
overview.

760
00:25:11,961 --> 00:25:14,311
loic I said, this, this is

761
00:25:14,311 --> 00:25:16,799
specifically related to house

762
00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:19,233
bill 803, effective in july.

763
00:25:19,233 --> 00:25:21,211
a few things that it provides

764
00:25:21,211 --> 00:25:22,511
for are greater statewide

765
00:25:22,511 --> 00:25:23,517
standardization of permit

766
00:25:23,517 --> 00:25:24,745
applications and electronic

767
00:25:24,745 --> 00:25:24,745
permitting.

768
00:25:24,745 --> 00:25:26,287
that's something that the city

769
00:25:26,287 --> 00:25:26,287


770
00:25:26,287 --> 00:25:27,149
already does.

771
00:25:27,149 --> 00:25:28,483
we already do all electronic

772
00:25:28,483 --> 00:25:30,050
building permitting, so there

773
00:25:30,050 --> 00:25:31,687
won't be much that we have to d

774
00:25:31,687 --> 00:25:31,687
o

775
00:25:31,687 --> 00:25:33,121
to address that, but that's kin

776
00:25:33,121 --> 00:25:33,121
d

777
00:25:33,121 --> 00:25:34,512
of one of the big things that's

778
00:25:34,512 --> 00:25:34,512


779
00:25:34,512 --> 00:25:35,397
been talked about with this

780
00:25:35,397 --> 00:25:35,397
bill.

781
00:25:35,397 --> 00:25:37,933
it provides for more specific

782
00:25:37,933 --> 00:25:39,357
requirements for communicating

783
00:25:39,357 --> 00:25:39,357


784
00:25:39,357 --> 00:25:40,501
deficiencies, denials, and

785
00:25:40,501 --> 00:25:41,817
incomplete applications.

786
00:25:41,817 --> 00:25:42,812
that's part of building permits

787
00:25:42,812 --> 00:25:42,812


788
00:25:42,812 --> 00:25:44,395
as well.

789
00:25:44,395 --> 00:25:46,039
and you'll see a few of the

790
00:25:46,039 --> 00:25:48,997
things that are covered here a

791
00:25:48,997 --> 00:25:48,997
re

792
00:25:48,997 --> 00:25:50,537
more pertaining to the building

793
00:25:50,537 --> 00:25:50,537


794
00:25:50,537 --> 00:25:51,420
division specifically, but

795
00:25:51,420 --> 00:25:52,707
things that we work closely wit

796
00:25:52,707 --> 00:25:52,707
h

797
00:25:52,707 --> 00:25:55,007
them on and we do participate I

798
00:25:55,007 --> 00:25:55,007
n

799
00:25:55,007 --> 00:25:56,917
building permit reviews, so th

800
00:25:56,917 --> 00:25:56,917
ey

801
00:25:56,917 --> 00:25:58,451
will affect the planning in som

802
00:25:58,451 --> 00:25:58,451
e

803
00:25:58,451 --> 00:25:59,813
ways as well.

804
00:25:59,813 --> 00:26:01,048
one of the big things that it

805
00:26:01,048 --> 00:26:02,551
does is provide new limits on

806
00:26:02,551 --> 00:26:04,619
permit fees and the type of

807
00:26:04,619 --> 00:26:06,149
documentation that can be

808
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:07,353
required by the building

809
00:26:07,353 --> 00:26:09,051
department 689  .

810
00:26:09,051 --> 00:26:11,888
again, that's a building

811
00:26:11,888 --> 00:26:12,637
division thing but that's a big

812
00:26:12,637 --> 00:26:12,637


813
00:26:12,637 --> 00:26:15,061
thing the building divisioning

814
00:26:15,061 --> 00:26:15,061


815
00:26:15,061 --> 00:26:16,129
is working on now.

816
00:26:16,129 --> 00:26:17,459
providing for expanded permit

817
00:26:17,459 --> 00:26:20,095
exemptions for qualifying small

818
00:26:20,095 --> 00:26:20,095


819
00:26:20,095 --> 00:26:21,199
residential projects, expanding

820
00:26:21,199 --> 00:26:21,199


821
00:26:21,199 --> 00:26:22,431
authority and use of private

822
00:26:22,431 --> 00:26:23,499
providers for plan review and

823
00:26:23,499 --> 00:26:25,243
inspections, the probably the

824
00:26:25,243 --> 00:26:28,437
biggest thing that you might b

825
00:26:28,437 --> 00:26:28,437
e

826
00:26:28,437 --> 00:26:29,695
interested in at a policy level

827
00:26:29,695 --> 00:26:29,695


828
00:26:29,695 --> 00:26:30,739
are new requirements affecting

829
00:26:30,739 --> 00:26:30,739


830
00:26:30,739 --> 00:26:31,940
manufactured and offsite

831
00:26:31,940 --> 00:26:33,477
constructed housing.

832
00:26:33,477 --> 00:26:34,815
I will get into ins some more

833
00:26:34,815 --> 00:26:35,885
specifics on that, and then som

834
00:26:35,885 --> 00:26:35,885
e

835
00:26:35,885 --> 00:26:37,747
limits on certain local

836
00:26:37,747 --> 00:26:38,685
architectural and urban design

837
00:26:38,685 --> 00:26:38,685


838
00:26:38,685 --> 00:26:38,685
requirements.

839
00:26:38,685 --> 00:26:44,637
so the first few, I think we'll

840
00:26:44,637 --> 00:26:44,637


841
00:26:44,637 --> 00:26:45,883
go through pretty quickly

842
00:26:45,883 --> 00:26:48,757
because they learnlg are

843
00:26:48,757 --> 00:26:48,867
largely

844
00:26:48,867 --> 00:26:51,563
are related to building but jus

845
00:26:51,563 --> 00:26:51,563
t

846
00:26:51,563 --> 00:26:52,661
to let you know at a high level

847
00:26:52,661 --> 00:26:52,661


848
00:26:52,661 --> 00:26:53,437
some of the things the bill

849
00:26:53,437 --> 00:26:53,437
covers.

850
00:26:53,437 --> 00:26:56,701
it does require for application

851
00:26:56,701 --> 00:26:56,701
s

852
00:26:56,701 --> 00:26:57,804
to be made available

853
00:26:57,804 --> 00:26:59,380
electronically, like I said, w

854
00:26:59,380 --> 00:26:59,380
e

855
00:26:59,380 --> 00:27:00,257
already do that, so not

856
00:27:00,257 --> 00:27:00,986
something that we need to

857
00:27:00,986 --> 00:27:02,517
specifically address.

858
00:27:02,517 --> 00:27:04,539
it does require additionally

859
00:27:04,539 --> 00:27:07,089
more specific review comments

860
00:27:07,089 --> 00:27:10,426
for building permit reviews, s

861
00:27:10,426 --> 00:27:10,426
o

862
00:27:10,426 --> 00:27:11,245
administered by the building

863
00:27:11,245 --> 00:27:13,019
department, or the building

864
00:27:13,019 --> 00:27:14,731
division, the planning

865
00:27:14,731 --> 00:27:16,297
department does review a large

866
00:27:16,297 --> 00:27:16,297


867
00:27:16,297 --> 00:27:17,309
number of building permits as

868
00:27:17,309 --> 00:27:19,460
well, so that'll be some,

869
00:27:19,460 --> 00:27:21,267
something operationally nat

870
00:27:21,267 --> 00:27:22,121
we'll need to make sure we're

871
00:27:22,121 --> 00:27:23,967
doing as a team is providing

872
00:27:23,967 --> 00:27:27,557
very specific review comments

873
00:27:27,557 --> 00:27:28,431
for building permits, something

874
00:27:28,431 --> 00:27:28,431


875
00:27:28,431 --> 00:27:30,203
we try to do anyway, but just,

876
00:27:30,203 --> 00:27:30,203


877
00:27:30,203 --> 00:27:31,074
just something to kind of keep

878
00:27:31,074 --> 00:27:31,399
a

879
00:27:31,399 --> 00:27:32,599
closer eye on.

880
00:27:32,599 --> 00:27:35,137
so the emphasis on this is a

881
00:27:35,137 --> 00:27:37,050
predictable, code based     bas

882
00:27:37,050 --> 00:27:37,285
ed

883
00:27:37,285 --> 00:27:38,509
based and transparent review f

884
00:27:38,509 --> 00:27:38,509
or

885
00:27:38,509 --> 00:27:39,509
building departments rather tha

886
00:27:39,509 --> 00:27:39,509
n

887
00:27:39,509 --> 00:27:41,065
discretionaryo open ended type

888
00:27:41,065 --> 00:27:41,065


889
00:27:41,065 --> 00:27:43,350
of situation.

890
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:45,847
the next part I really won't g

891
00:27:45,847 --> 00:27:45,847
o

892
00:27:45,847 --> 00:27:47,085
into a lot of detail on because

893
00:27:47,085 --> 00:27:47,085


894
00:27:47,085 --> 00:27:48,617
it really just impacts building

895
00:27:48,617 --> 00:27:48,617


896
00:27:48,617 --> 00:27:50,819
fees, which I'm not, heightly

897
00:27:50,819 --> 00:27:52,221
involved with and it's not my

898
00:27:52,221 --> 00:27:53,755
division, but this is something

899
00:27:53,755 --> 00:27:53,755


900
00:27:53,755 --> 00:27:55,169
that the building official is

901
00:27:55,169 --> 00:27:58,349
working very, very diligently o

902
00:27:58,349 --> 00:27:58,349
n

903
00:27:58,349 --> 00:28:00,860
to figure out changes ibbuildin

904
00:28:00,860 --> 00:28:00,860
g

905
00:28:00,860 --> 00:28:03,527
-- in building permit fees and

906
00:28:03,527 --> 00:28:03,527


907
00:28:03,527 --> 00:28:04,675
how they'reicalitycuted and wha

908
00:28:04,675 --> 00:28:04,675
t

909
00:28:04,675 --> 00:28:06,311
type of -- they're calculated

910
00:28:06,311 --> 00:28:06,463


911
00:28:06,463 --> 00:28:07,056
culated and what type of

912
00:28:07,056 --> 00:28:07,777
documentation they can require

913
00:28:07,777 --> 00:28:07,777


914
00:28:07,777 --> 00:28:09,925
for those.

915
00:28:09,925 --> 00:28:14,619
another thing that it changes I

916
00:28:14,619 --> 00:28:14,619
s

917
00:28:14,619 --> 00:28:15,391
allowing for single-family

918
00:28:15,391 --> 00:28:18,750
homeowners or their contractors

919
00:28:18,750 --> 00:28:18,750


920
00:28:18,750 --> 00:28:24,696
to any exempt from permitting

921
00:28:24,696 --> 00:28:27,625
certain work under -- it can't

922
00:28:27,625 --> 00:28:27,625


923
00:28:27,625 --> 00:28:29,061
be structural, electrical,

924
00:28:29,061 --> 00:28:30,592
plumbing work, or electrical, o

925
00:28:30,592 --> 00:28:30,592
r

926
00:28:30,592 --> 00:28:31,499
gas work, and it wasn't be

927
00:28:31,499 --> 00:28:32,899
located within a flood hazard

928
00:28:32,899 --> 00:28:32,899
area.

929
00:28:32,899 --> 00:28:35,059
but essentially what we think

930
00:28:35,059 --> 00:28:36,773
this will largely cover are

931
00:28:36,773 --> 00:28:38,675
things like sheds and detached

932
00:28:38,675 --> 00:28:38,675


933
00:28:38,675 --> 00:28:41,306
accessory structures.

934
00:28:41,306 --> 00:28:43,379
so you know one of the impacts

935
00:28:43,379 --> 00:28:43,379


936
00:28:43,379 --> 00:28:45,712
from that will be we'll see les

937
00:28:45,712 --> 00:28:45,712
s

938
00:28:45,712 --> 00:28:47,481
permits come through for thing

939
00:28:47,481 --> 00:28:47,481
s

940
00:28:47,481 --> 00:28:51,016
like sheds.

941
00:28:51,016 --> 00:28:52,315
they will still be required to

942
00:28:52,315 --> 00:28:52,315


943
00:28:52,315 --> 00:28:54,785
meet zoning standards though

944
00:28:54,785 --> 00:28:57,893
things like -- typically, and

945
00:28:57,893 --> 00:28:58,415
in

946
00:28:58,415 --> 00:28:59,321
the single-family zoning

947
00:28:59,321 --> 00:29:00,651
district for example.

948
00:29:00,651 --> 00:29:02,924
it's typically a five-foot

949
00:29:02,924 --> 00:29:04,371
setback from the rear property

950
00:29:04,371 --> 00:29:04,371


951
00:29:04,371 --> 00:29:05,723
line and the side property

952
00:29:05,723 --> 00:29:05,723
lines.

953
00:29:05,723 --> 00:29:07,471
they still need to meet those

954
00:29:07,471 --> 00:29:09,863
setbacks, but they won't have t

955
00:29:09,863 --> 00:29:10,569
o  apply

956
00:29:10,569 --> 00:29:10,960
apply for a permit for it, so

957
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:11,800
you know we've talked about way

958
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:11,800
s

959
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,611
of just kind of putting fyis

960
00:29:13,611 --> 00:29:14,743
out there for people, letting

961
00:29:14,743 --> 00:29:16,185
them know technically you still

962
00:29:16,185 --> 00:29:16,185


963
00:29:16,185 --> 00:29:19,008
need to meet these setbacks,

964
00:29:19,008 --> 00:29:20,085
essentially it would become a

965
00:29:20,085 --> 00:29:21,758
code enforcement issue if it

966
00:29:21,758 --> 00:29:23,389
starts to become a problem whe

967
00:29:23,389 --> 00:29:23,389
re

968
00:29:23,389 --> 00:29:26,549
people are installing sheds tha

969
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:26,549
t

970
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:27,743
either don't meet setbacks or

971
00:29:27,743 --> 00:29:30,085
don't meet certain size

972
00:29:30,085 --> 00:29:30,852
requirements in certain

973
00:29:30,852 --> 00:29:33,425
instances, things like that.

974
00:29:33,425 --> 00:29:35,155
so that's something that will

975
00:29:35,155 --> 00:29:38,134
affect planning in some ways.

976
00:29:38,134 --> 00:29:41,996
did you want to ask questions

977
00:29:41,996 --> 00:29:41,996
now?

978
00:29:41,996 --> 00:29:43,899
we can just talk through each

979
00:29:43,899 --> 00:29:43,899
item.

980
00:29:43,899 --> 00:29:45,766
>> I think I just, through

981
00:29:45,766 --> 00:29:46,629
context my question was

982
00:29:46,629 --> 00:29:46,629
answered.

983
00:29:46,629 --> 00:29:48,181
>> okay.

984
00:29:48,181 --> 00:29:49,605
and let me know, you know, fee

985
00:29:49,605 --> 00:29:49,605
l

986
00:29:49,605 --> 00:29:50,757
free to stop me at any time wi

987
00:29:50,757 --> 00:29:50,757
th

988
00:29:50,757 --> 00:29:51,747
a question on any of these in

989
00:29:51,747 --> 00:29:51,747
particular.

990
00:29:51,747 --> 00:29:56,481
the next thing that we've talke

991
00:29:56,481 --> 00:29:56,481
d

992
00:29:56,481 --> 00:29:58,581
about a good bit in planning a

993
00:29:58,581 --> 00:29:58,581
re

994
00:29:58,581 --> 00:30:00,221
restrictions on glazing

995
00:30:00,221 --> 00:30:00,221
requirements.

996
00:30:00,221 --> 00:30:03,284
so local governments may not

997
00:30:03,284 --> 00:30:05,827
require more than 15% glazing o

998
00:30:05,827 --> 00:30:05,827
n

999
00:30:05,827 --> 00:30:08,023
the primary facade of most new

1000
00:30:08,023 --> 00:30:08,023


1001
00:30:08,023 --> 00:30:09,631
commercial or mixed use

1002
00:30:09,631 --> 00:30:09,631
projects.

1003
00:30:09,631 --> 00:30:12,115
there are some limitations or

1004
00:30:12,115 --> 00:30:13,661
exceptions within historic

1005
00:30:13,661 --> 00:30:13,661
districts.

1006
00:30:13,661 --> 00:30:18,803
this will impact the glazing o

1007
00:30:18,803 --> 00:30:18,803
r

1008
00:30:18,803 --> 00:30:20,339
the percentage of windows that

1009
00:30:20,339 --> 00:30:20,339


1010
00:30:20,339 --> 00:30:22,939
we can require in transect zon

1011
00:30:22,939 --> 00:30:22,939
es

1012
00:30:22,939 --> 00:30:24,804
and in mixed use and

1013
00:30:24,804 --> 00:30:26,641
nonresidential zoning districts,

1014
00:30:26,641 --> 00:30:26,641


1015
00:30:26,641 --> 00:30:28,179
and the glazing requirements I

1016
00:30:28,179 --> 00:30:28,179
n

1017
00:30:28,179 --> 00:30:32,342
transect zones are fairly high.

1018
00:30:32,342 --> 00:30:32,342


1019
00:30:32,342 --> 00:30:34,220
so that's in effect now.

1020
00:30:34,220 --> 00:30:35,989
at some point it would be

1021
00:30:35,989 --> 00:30:36,955
probably a good idea to update

1022
00:30:36,955 --> 00:30:36,955


1023
00:30:36,955 --> 00:30:38,827
our code to reflect that, but

1024
00:30:38,827 --> 00:30:41,557
currently as of july 1st, we

1025
00:30:41,557 --> 00:30:44,475
can't require more than 15% on

1026
00:30:44,475 --> 00:30:44,475


1027
00:30:44,475 --> 00:30:46,371
the commercial and mixed use

1028
00:30:46,371 --> 00:30:47,659
projects on the front -- on the

1029
00:30:47,659 --> 00:30:47,659


1030
00:30:47,659 --> 00:30:49,532
primary facade.

1031
00:30:49,532 --> 00:30:51,931
so that's something that's

1032
00:30:51,931 --> 00:30:55,638
impacting us with this.

1033
00:30:55,638 --> 00:30:58,608
along the lines of design

1034
00:30:58,608 --> 00:30:59,948
requirements, there are also

1035
00:30:59,948 --> 00:31:02,443
some restrictions on branding

1036
00:31:02,443 --> 00:31:06,619
and corporate identity kind of

1037
00:31:06,619 --> 00:31:06,619


1038
00:31:06,619 --> 00:31:08,260
interference so to speak in tha

1039
00:31:08,260 --> 00:31:08,260
t

1040
00:31:08,260 --> 00:31:09,966
largely as it pertains to

1041
00:31:09,966 --> 00:31:11,749
signage in addition to any

1042
00:31:11,749 --> 00:31:13,527
restrictions that might

1043
00:31:13,527 --> 00:31:16,901
interfere with the ability for

1044
00:31:16,901 --> 00:31:16,901


1045
00:31:16,901 --> 00:31:19,335
gas stations to comply with gas

1046
00:31:19,335 --> 00:31:19,335


1047
00:31:19,335 --> 00:31:21,731
price signage, visibility

1048
00:31:21,731 --> 00:31:21,731
requirements.

1049
00:31:21,731 --> 00:31:23,800
I'm not really seeing anything

1050
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:23,800


1051
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,335
that stands out too much on

1052
00:31:26,335 --> 00:31:28,885
these at this point in time.

1053
00:31:28,885 --> 00:31:30,359
I think, you know, we'll see I

1054
00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:30,359
n

1055
00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:32,379
the future if anything specific

1056
00:31:32,379 --> 00:31:32,379


1057
00:31:32,379 --> 00:31:34,243
comes up with signage perhaps

1058
00:31:34,243 --> 00:31:38,387
there could be questions about

1059
00:31:38,387 --> 00:31:38,387


1060
00:31:38,387 --> 00:31:39,815
interfering with logos and

1061
00:31:39,815 --> 00:31:42,217
things like that.

1062
00:31:42,217 --> 00:31:43,967
but you know, we don't have

1063
00:31:43,967 --> 00:31:44,893
anything, the city doesn't hav

1064
00:31:44,893 --> 00:31:44,893
e

1065
00:31:44,893 --> 00:31:45,647
anything in the code that

1066
00:31:45,647 --> 00:31:48,323
specifically talks about those

1067
00:31:48,323 --> 00:31:48,323


1068
00:31:48,323 --> 00:31:50,297
things in particular, so we'll

1069
00:31:50,297 --> 00:31:50,297


1070
00:31:50,297 --> 00:31:51,267
see kind of what the effects

1071
00:31:51,267 --> 00:31:51,267
are.

1072
00:31:51,267 --> 00:31:57,634
there is a good deal of expanded

1073
00:31:57,634 --> 00:31:57,634


1074
00:31:57,634 --> 00:32:00,030
private provider authority.

1075
00:32:00,030 --> 00:32:02,337
again, largely related to the

1076
00:32:02,337 --> 00:32:04,739
building division.

1077
00:32:04,739 --> 00:32:07,621
we do expect to see an increas

1078
00:32:07,621 --> 00:32:09,808
einstances of private

1079
00:32:09,808 --> 00:32:12,980
providers for building items.

1080
00:32:12,980 --> 00:32:15,357
a different bill that we'll tal

1081
00:32:15,357 --> 00:32:15,357
k

1082
00:32:15,357 --> 00:32:16,789
about at another time that goe

1083
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:16,789
s

1084
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:19,556
into effect in january kind of

1085
00:32:19,556 --> 00:32:19,556


1086
00:32:19,556 --> 00:32:21,629
expands this to get into

1087
00:32:21,629 --> 00:32:24,386
planning functions.

1088
00:32:24,386 --> 00:32:25,585
for this one in particular this

1089
00:32:25,585 --> 00:32:25,585


1090
00:32:25,585 --> 00:32:26,696
is just affecting the building

1091
00:32:26,696 --> 00:32:26,696


1092
00:32:26,696 --> 00:32:28,760
division, but it's a big thing

1093
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:28,760


1094
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:29,973
that this bill does, so just

1095
00:32:29,973 --> 00:32:30,661
wanted to bring it up.

1096
00:32:30,661 --> 00:32:32,363
it really doesn't affect

1097
00:32:32,363 --> 00:32:34,504
planning too much.

1098
00:32:34,504 --> 00:32:36,090
but the other thing that this

1099
00:32:36,090 --> 00:32:38,607
part of the bill does is stres

1100
00:32:38,607 --> 00:32:38,607
s

1101
00:32:38,607 --> 00:32:40,948
the importance of timeliness of

1102
00:32:40,948 --> 00:32:40,948


1103
00:32:40,948 --> 00:32:45,630
the comments, so, you know,

1104
00:32:45,630 --> 00:32:47,860
there will be increased pressur

1105
00:32:47,860 --> 00:32:47,860
e

1106
00:32:47,860 --> 00:32:48,916
on making sure that we get our

1107
00:32:48,916 --> 00:32:48,916


1108
00:32:48,916 --> 00:32:51,195
comments in all departments on

1109
00:32:51,195 --> 00:32:51,195


1110
00:32:51,195 --> 00:32:53,290
time and issued.

1111
00:32:53,290 --> 00:32:54,689
otherwise there are potentially

1112
00:32:54,689 --> 00:32:54,689


1113
00:32:54,689 --> 00:32:58,096
some consequences of sort of

1114
00:32:58,096 --> 00:33:00,397
automatic approvals so to speak

1115
00:33:00,397 --> 00:33:00,397
,

1116
00:33:00,397 --> 00:33:01,677
so just something that we're

1117
00:33:01,677 --> 00:33:03,136
going to have to look at and

1118
00:33:03,136 --> 00:33:04,761
make sure we are really tight o

1119
00:33:04,761 --> 00:33:04,761
n

1120
00:33:04,761 --> 00:33:07,936
our timelines.

1121
00:33:07,936 --> 00:33:09,271
so probably the big one for

1122
00:33:09,271 --> 00:33:14,310
planning from this bill is the

1123
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:14,310


1124
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:16,615
placement for residential

1125
00:33:16,615 --> 00:33:19,275
manufactured buildings.

1126
00:33:19,275 --> 00:33:23,213
so the language talks about a

1127
00:33:23,213 --> 00:33:25,294
couple different things.

1128
00:33:25,294 --> 00:33:26,691
placement in rv parks in

1129
00:33:26,691 --> 00:33:28,226
addition to placement in

1130
00:33:28,226 --> 00:33:29,297
single-family districts.

1131
00:33:29,297 --> 00:33:31,494
so one of the things that it

1132
00:33:31,494 --> 00:33:35,001
does is require that state

1133
00:33:35,001 --> 00:33:36,397
certified residential

1134
00:33:36,397 --> 00:33:37,261
manufacture building may not b

1135
00:33:37,261 --> 00:33:37,261
e

1136
00:33:37,261 --> 00:33:40,335
denied placement in mobile hom

1137
00:33:40,335 --> 00:33:40,335
e

1138
00:33:40,335 --> 00:33:42,866
or similar communities so that

1139
00:33:42,866 --> 00:33:42,866


1140
00:33:42,866 --> 00:33:44,642
includes rv parks.

1141
00:33:44,642 --> 00:33:46,515
the bigger one probably is

1142
00:33:46,515 --> 00:33:48,467
talking about qualifying offsi

1143
00:33:48,467 --> 00:33:48,467
te

1144
00:33:48,467 --> 00:33:49,781
constructed homes must be

1145
00:33:49,781 --> 00:33:50,935
allowed anywhere single-family

1146
00:33:50,935 --> 00:33:50,935


1147
00:33:50,935 --> 00:33:53,077
detached homes are allowed.

1148
00:33:53,077 --> 00:33:55,951
so that -- there are some

1149
00:33:55,951 --> 00:34:00,328
specific definitions in the

1150
00:34:00,328 --> 00:34:00,328
bill.

1151
00:34:00,328 --> 00:34:06,277
I can read a couple of those o

1152
00:34:06,277 --> 00:34:06,277
ff

1153
00:34:06,277 --> 00:34:07,239
to you.

1154
00:34:07,239 --> 00:34:08,537
but it talks about offsite

1155
00:34:08,537 --> 00:34:09,471
constructed residential

1156
00:34:09,471 --> 00:34:12,804
dwellings meting a manufacture

1157
00:34:12,804 --> 00:34:12,804
d

1158
00:34:12,804 --> 00:34:14,235
building as defined in florida

1159
00:34:14,235 --> 00:34:14,235


1160
00:34:14,235 --> 00:34:15,431
statute which is intended for

1161
00:34:15,431 --> 00:34:17,219
single-family residential use or

1162
00:34:17,219 --> 00:34:17,219


1163
00:34:17,219 --> 00:34:18,939
a manufactured home defined in

1164
00:34:18,939 --> 00:34:19,373
a

1165
00:34:19,373 --> 00:34:20,613
separate statute, which is

1166
00:34:20,613 --> 00:34:22,209
constructed in whole or in par

1167
00:34:22,209 --> 00:34:22,209
t

1168
00:34:22,209 --> 00:34:23,427
offsite and is treated as real

1169
00:34:23,427 --> 00:34:23,427


1170
00:34:23,427 --> 00:34:23,427
property.

1171
00:34:23,427 --> 00:34:27,195
so this, this will impact the

1172
00:34:27,195 --> 00:34:30,419
type of those type of structures

1173
00:34:30,419 --> 00:34:30,419


1174
00:34:30,419 --> 00:34:31,896
being allowed in the

1175
00:34:31,896 --> 00:34:32,727
single-family districts and

1176
00:34:32,727 --> 00:34:33,483
other districts that allow

1177
00:34:33,483 --> 00:34:35,075
single-family homes.

1178
00:34:35,075 --> 00:34:38,131
previously and up until recent

1179
00:34:38,131 --> 00:34:38,131


1180
00:34:38,131 --> 00:34:40,634
hisory, the application has

1181
00:34:40,634 --> 00:34:42,603
been of the code language that

1182
00:34:42,603 --> 00:34:42,603


1183
00:34:42,603 --> 00:34:46,509
we have which doesn't generally

1184
00:34:46,509 --> 00:34:46,509


1185
00:34:46,509 --> 00:34:47,871
allow for those types of

1186
00:34:47,871 --> 00:34:52,208
structures to, to be construct

1187
00:34:52,208 --> 00:34:52,208
ed

1188
00:34:52,208 --> 00:34:54,074
in kind of the typical zoning

1189
00:34:54,074 --> 00:34:54,074
district.

1190
00:34:54,074 --> 00:34:55,571
it kind of limited them to

1191
00:34:55,571 --> 00:34:57,848
mobile home zoning.

1192
00:34:57,848 --> 00:34:59,663
and the code is pretty outdated

1193
00:34:59,663 --> 00:34:59,663


1194
00:34:59,663 --> 00:35:03,919
t. Talks about a structure tha

1195
00:35:03,919 --> 00:35:03,919
t

1196
00:35:03,919 --> 00:35:07,172
has an integral chassis, things

1197
00:35:07,172 --> 00:35:07,172


1198
00:35:07,172 --> 00:35:08,390
like that.

1199
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:12,365
at any rate, this is something

1200
00:35:12,365 --> 00:35:12,365


1201
00:35:12,365 --> 00:35:15,761
that we are implementing now

1202
00:35:15,761 --> 00:35:18,561
allowing for manufactured homes

1203
00:35:18,561 --> 00:35:18,561


1204
00:35:18,561 --> 00:35:20,896
based on state statute.

1205
00:35:20,896 --> 00:35:25,739
so the bill requires or it doe

1206
00:35:25,739 --> 00:35:25,739
s

1207
00:35:25,739 --> 00:35:28,482
state that local governments c

1208
00:35:28,482 --> 00:35:28,482
an

1209
00:35:28,482 --> 00:35:31,077
put additional standards on

1210
00:35:31,077 --> 00:35:32,414
these types of structures, but

1211
00:35:32,414 --> 00:35:32,414


1212
00:35:32,414 --> 00:35:33,282
they've got to be applied

1213
00:35:33,282 --> 00:35:35,361
equally to site built homes and

1214
00:35:35,361 --> 00:35:35,361


1215
00:35:35,361 --> 00:35:38,386
nonsite built homes.

1216
00:35:38,386 --> 00:35:42,535
and the types of standards tha

1217
00:35:42,535 --> 00:35:42,535
t

1218
00:35:42,535 --> 00:35:44,465
local government could add are

1219
00:35:44,465 --> 00:35:44,465


1220
00:35:44,465 --> 00:35:47,426
things like roof pitch, square

1221
00:35:47,426 --> 00:35:47,426


1222
00:35:47,426 --> 00:35:54,196
footage, foundation treatment,

1223
00:35:54,196 --> 00:35:54,196


1224
00:35:54,196 --> 00:35:57,940
setbacks orientation.

1225
00:35:57,940 --> 00:36:01,082
approval of qualifying homes o

1226
00:36:01,082 --> 00:36:01,082
f

1227
00:36:01,082 --> 00:36:02,415
offsite constructed homes in

1228
00:36:02,415 --> 00:36:03,719
zoning districts that allow

1229
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,844
single-family as a use.

1230
00:36:07,844 --> 00:36:10,054
we wanted to bring this to you

1231
00:36:10,054 --> 00:36:10,054


1232
00:36:10,054 --> 00:36:12,792
as a policy consideration.

1233
00:36:12,792 --> 00:36:19,128
so this is kind of wrapping it

1234
00:36:19,128 --> 00:36:19,128


1235
00:36:19,128 --> 00:36:20,035
up, and then we can go into

1236
00:36:20,035 --> 00:36:20,035
discussion.

1237
00:36:20,035 --> 00:36:22,999
so the kind of the big takeaways

1238
00:36:22,999 --> 00:36:22,999


1239
00:36:22,999 --> 00:36:24,972
for this bill in relation to

1240
00:36:24,972 --> 00:36:27,363
planning and building in

1241
00:36:27,363 --> 00:36:28,669
gainesville, it allows for

1242
00:36:28,669 --> 00:36:30,885
greater housing flexibility, s

1243
00:36:30,885 --> 00:36:30,885
o

1244
00:36:30,885 --> 00:36:32,177
like I mentioned the offsite

1245
00:36:32,177 --> 00:36:34,281
factory built housing must be

1246
00:36:34,281 --> 00:36:34,281
accommodated.

1247
00:36:34,281 --> 00:36:38,413
it provides for private

1248
00:36:38,413 --> 00:36:41,383
providers and sort of limits t

1249
00:36:41,383 --> 00:36:41,383
he

1250
00:36:41,383 --> 00:36:44,226
city's ability to do deplicati

1251
00:36:44,226 --> 00:36:44,226
ve

1252
00:36:44,226 --> 00:36:44,226
reviews.

1253
00:36:44,226 --> 00:36:47,156
it requires timeliness of

1254
00:36:47,156 --> 00:36:47,156
reviews.

1255
00:36:47,156 --> 00:36:50,334
it looks at local governments

1256
00:36:50,334 --> 00:36:51,755
reviewing their fees t. Does

1257
00:36:51,755 --> 00:36:52,762
impact some of our design

1258
00:36:52,762 --> 00:36:55,461
regulations, and it applies som

1259
00:36:55,461 --> 00:36:55,461
e

1260
00:36:55,461 --> 00:36:57,666
exemptions for the smaller

1261
00:36:57,666 --> 00:36:59,200
permits for single-family

1262
00:36:59,200 --> 00:36:59,200
homeowners.

1263
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,369
so areas for staff follow-up

1264
00:37:02,369 --> 00:37:04,222
that we've identified, the

1265
00:37:04,222 --> 00:37:05,307
building division is re viewing

1266
00:37:05,307 --> 00:37:05,307


1267
00:37:05,307 --> 00:37:07,041
their permit fee schedules and

1268
00:37:07,041 --> 00:37:07,041


1269
00:37:07,041 --> 00:37:08,084
fee calculation

1270
00:37:08,084 --> 00:37:08,084
methodologieses.

1271
00:37:08,084 --> 00:37:11,987
we're working to make sure tha

1272
00:37:11,987 --> 00:37:11,987
t

1273
00:37:11,987 --> 00:37:13,661
we've got development review a

1274
00:37:13,661 --> 00:37:13,661
nd

1275
00:37:13,661 --> 00:37:14,713
building permit work flows

1276
00:37:14,713 --> 00:37:16,620
providing for private provi

1277
00:37:16,620 --> 00:37:20,764
coordination and meeting

1278
00:37:20,764 --> 00:37:20,764
timelines.

1279
00:37:20,764 --> 00:37:24,425
and application materials, and

1280
00:37:24,425 --> 00:37:24,425


1281
00:37:24,425 --> 00:37:26,229
just coordinating across

1282
00:37:26,229 --> 00:37:28,360
planning, building, legal, and

1283
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:28,360


1284
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:29,762
all the various functions to

1285
00:37:29,762 --> 00:37:31,636
make sure we're implementing

1286
00:37:31,636 --> 00:37:33,273
these changes.

1287
00:37:33,273 --> 00:37:35,345
and that's it.

1288
00:37:35,345 --> 00:37:36,577
so I wanted to get any feedback

1289
00:37:36,577 --> 00:37:36,577


1290
00:37:36,577 --> 00:37:37,975
from y'all or answer any

1291
00:37:37,975 --> 00:37:39,940
questions you might have.

1292
00:37:39,940 --> 00:37:41,850
>> thank you.

1293
00:37:41,850 --> 00:37:43,727
ms. Sutton.

1294
00:37:43,727 --> 00:37:45,881
>> I would say I'm generally

1295
00:37:45,881 --> 00:37:48,180
in what we're able to

1296
00:37:48,180 --> 00:37:51,794
do on the, likic mobile homes

1297
00:37:51,794 --> 00:37:54,868
offsite built homes, what we're

1298
00:37:54,868 --> 00:37:54,868


1299
00:37:54,868 --> 00:37:56,815
willing and able to put into the

1300
00:37:56,815 --> 00:37:56,815


1301
00:37:56,815 --> 00:38:02,295
code, and I would like to get

1302
00:38:02,295 --> 00:38:03,265
maybe some analysis on what

1303
00:38:03,265 --> 00:38:03,839
other places are doing.

1304
00:38:03,839 --> 00:38:05,041
I know the county did implement

1305
00:38:05,041 --> 00:38:05,041


1306
00:38:05,041 --> 00:38:09,008
something recently.

1307
00:38:09,008 --> 00:38:10,305
it might, I don't know how man

1308
00:38:10,305 --> 00:38:10,305
y

1309
00:38:10,305 --> 00:38:12,040
of you are going to the state

1310
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,373
planning conference.

1311
00:38:13,373 --> 00:38:14,993
that may be something you can

1312
00:38:14,993 --> 00:38:16,549
ask others about there if

1313
00:38:16,549 --> 00:38:17,699
there's staff going to the

1314
00:38:17,699 --> 00:38:17,699
conference.

1315
00:38:17,699 --> 00:38:20,819
I'm interested in seeing what

1316
00:38:20,819 --> 00:38:23,454
our options are and considering

1317
00:38:23,454 --> 00:38:23,454


1318
00:38:23,454 --> 00:38:27,138
putting something in place.

1319
00:38:27,138 --> 00:38:30,286
I think even if it's orientation

1320
00:38:30,286 --> 00:38:30,286


1321
00:38:30,286 --> 00:38:32,956
or whatever we can do I think w

1322
00:38:32,956 --> 00:38:32,956
e

1323
00:38:32,956 --> 00:38:35,468
should think about it.

1324
00:38:35,468 --> 00:38:37,031
how the parking is associated,

1325
00:38:37,031 --> 00:38:37,031


1326
00:38:37,031 --> 00:38:38,267
how the, I mean, I think inwe

1327
00:38:38,267 --> 00:38:41,164
don't       if we don't have a

1328
00:38:41,164 --> 00:38:41,164
ny

1329
00:38:41,164 --> 00:38:42,189
design standards other than yo

1330
00:38:42,189 --> 00:38:42,189
u

1331
00:38:42,189 --> 00:38:42,983
can put this on a single-family

1332
00:38:42,983 --> 00:38:42,983


1333
00:38:42,983 --> 00:38:45,071
lot, and with the dengsties tha

1334
00:38:45,071 --> 00:38:45,071
t

1335
00:38:45,071 --> 00:38:47,392
we're allowing in our

1336
00:38:47,392 --> 00:38:48,721
single-family zoning right now

1337
00:38:48,721 --> 00:38:48,721
,

1338
00:38:48,721 --> 00:38:54,921
it could kind of create a

1339
00:38:54,921 --> 00:38:56,497
situation we don't want to see

1340
00:38:56,497 --> 00:38:56,497


1341
00:38:56,497 --> 00:38:58,423
in single-family districts.

1342
00:38:58,423 --> 00:39:01,421
>> ms. Bell.

1343
00:39:01,421 --> 00:39:02,927
>> out of curiosity, can you

1344
00:39:02,927 --> 00:39:04,322
expand on that a little bit

1345
00:39:04,322 --> 00:39:06,992
more, ms. Sutton, on where you

1346
00:39:06,992 --> 00:39:06,992


1347
00:39:06,992 --> 00:39:08,167
think this is headed?

1348
00:39:08,167 --> 00:39:10,132
just help me understand.

1349
00:39:10,132 --> 00:39:11,669
>> I just think we changed the

1350
00:39:11,669 --> 00:39:11,669


1351
00:39:11,669 --> 00:39:12,983
single-family zoning

1352
00:39:12,983 --> 00:39:13,689
requirements in the last couple

1353
00:39:13,689 --> 00:39:13,689


1354
00:39:13,689 --> 00:39:16,371
of years, so we have very small

1355
00:39:16,371 --> 00:39:16,371


1356
00:39:16,371 --> 00:39:18,451
lot sizes now, very small

1357
00:39:18,451 --> 00:39:18,451
setbacks.

1358
00:39:18,451 --> 00:39:22,476
I think you could create a

1359
00:39:22,476 --> 00:39:25,006
series of really, really tiny

1360
00:39:25,006 --> 00:39:25,929
lots and essentially it would

1361
00:39:25,929 --> 00:39:28,554
look almost like a trailer par

1362
00:39:28,554 --> 00:39:28,554
k

1363
00:39:28,554 --> 00:39:30,923
in any single-family zoned

1364
00:39:30,923 --> 00:39:30,923
place.

1365
00:39:30,923 --> 00:39:34,266
because your side setbacks wou

1366
00:39:34,266 --> 00:39:34,266
ld

1367
00:39:34,266 --> 00:39:34,955
only be five.

1368
00:39:34,955 --> 00:39:35,812
you would have a mobile home in

1369
00:39:35,812 --> 00:39:35,812


1370
00:39:35,812 --> 00:39:37,259
the middle.

1371
00:39:37,259 --> 00:39:38,647
I mean without any design

1372
00:39:38,647 --> 00:39:40,913
considerations, if you look at

1373
00:39:40,913 --> 00:39:40,913


1374
00:39:40,913 --> 00:39:44,034
what our lot standards allow, w

1375
00:39:44,034 --> 00:39:44,034
e

1376
00:39:44,034 --> 00:39:46,107
could be creating something tha

1377
00:39:46,107 --> 00:39:46,107
t

1378
00:39:46,107 --> 00:39:47,507
I don't think is compatible wi

1379
00:39:47,507 --> 00:39:47,507
th

1380
00:39:47,507 --> 00:39:49,069
all of the neighborhoods of

1381
00:39:49,069 --> 00:39:49,069
gainesville.

1382
00:39:49,069 --> 00:39:52,355
>> I would be curious if staff

1383
00:39:52,355 --> 00:39:52,355


1384
00:39:52,355 --> 00:39:54,215
could provide a future meeting

1385
00:39:54,215 --> 00:39:54,215


1386
00:39:54,215 --> 00:39:57,411
sort of like a table or

1387
00:39:57,411 --> 00:39:59,618
something indicating what the

1388
00:39:59,618 --> 00:40:01,451
current restrictions are on

1389
00:40:01,451 --> 00:40:03,123
traditional single-family versu

1390
00:40:03,123 --> 00:40:03,123
s

1391
00:40:03,123 --> 00:40:04,765
offsite still because of the

1392
00:40:04,765 --> 00:40:08,454
law, the new law is that it

1393
00:40:08,454 --> 00:40:10,694
would have to be allowed and I

1394
00:40:10,694 --> 00:40:10,694
t

1395
00:40:10,694 --> 00:40:12,329
can't be more restrictive

1396
00:40:12,329 --> 00:40:13,529
ordinances than traditionally

1397
00:40:13,529 --> 00:40:17,369
built homes, so could you help

1398
00:40:17,369 --> 00:40:17,369


1399
00:40:17,369 --> 00:40:18,227
us understand more what the

1400
00:40:18,227 --> 00:40:19,658
implications are by providing

1401
00:40:19,658 --> 00:40:21,640
kind of like a side by

1402
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:22,723
side-by-side of what our current

1403
00:40:22,723 --> 00:40:22,723


1404
00:40:22,723 --> 00:40:24,468
regulations are, because like

1405
00:40:24,468 --> 00:40:27,080
from the perspective of more

1406
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:27,943
opportunities for affordable

1407
00:40:27,943 --> 00:40:31,781
housing, I'm intrigued.

1408
00:40:31,781 --> 00:40:32,553
but I understand what you're

1409
00:40:32,553 --> 00:40:33,880
saying from an aesthetic and

1410
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,711
like neighborhood vibe for lac

1411
00:40:36,711 --> 00:40:36,711
k

1412
00:40:36,711 --> 00:40:38,995
of a more technical term

1413
00:40:38,995 --> 00:40:40,569
perspective, so I would just b

1414
00:40:40,569 --> 00:40:40,569
e

1415
00:40:40,569 --> 00:40:42,545
curious from a, like what our

1416
00:40:42,545 --> 00:40:45,933
starting point is before we loo

1417
00:40:45,933 --> 00:40:45,933
k

1418
00:40:45,933 --> 00:40:49,101
into what we could do to smoot

1419
00:40:49,101 --> 00:40:49,101
h

1420
00:40:49,101 --> 00:40:51,338
this transition if you will if

1421
00:40:51,338 --> 00:40:51,338


1422
00:40:51,338 --> 00:40:52,362
it's being required regardless.

1423
00:40:52,362 --> 00:40:52,362


1424
00:40:52,362 --> 00:40:53,665
>> sure, yes, definitely.

1425
00:40:53,665 --> 00:40:56,302
and so I will, I can let you

1426
00:40:56,302 --> 00:40:58,689
know now that there generally

1427
00:40:58,689 --> 00:41:00,676
are not design requirements for

1428
00:41:00,676 --> 00:41:00,676


1429
00:41:00,676 --> 00:41:03,272
new single-family homes.

1430
00:41:03,272 --> 00:41:05,345
an issue that we would run int

1431
00:41:05,345 --> 00:41:05,345
o

1432
00:41:05,345 --> 00:41:06,844
with, with adding any new

1433
00:41:06,844 --> 00:41:10,956
requirements is, yes, senate

1434
00:41:10,956 --> 00:41:15,359
bill 180 -- making things more

1435
00:41:15,359 --> 00:41:15,359


1436
00:41:15,359 --> 00:41:16,323
restrictive than they currently

1437
00:41:16,323 --> 00:41:16,323


1438
00:41:16,323 --> 00:41:16,323
are.

1439
00:41:16,323 --> 00:41:19,762
so any kind of restrictions that

1440
00:41:19,762 --> 00:41:19,762


1441
00:41:19,762 --> 00:41:22,714
put, they also have --

1442
00:41:22,714 --> 00:41:23,297
they'rapplicablecross the

1443
00:41:23,297 --> 00:41:26,390
board --

1444
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:27,067
>> [off mic]

1445
00:41:27,067 --> 00:41:30,770
>> I guess the confusion is for

1446
00:41:30,770 --> 00:41:30,770


1447
00:41:30,770 --> 00:41:33,500
me, at face value, is like, what

1448
00:41:33,500 --> 00:41:33,500


1449
00:41:33,500 --> 00:41:34,375
the difference would be like

1450
00:41:34,375 --> 00:41:37,012
putting a series of tiny on-si

1451
00:41:37,012 --> 00:41:37,012
te

1452
00:41:37,012 --> 00:41:40,482
built homes versus smaller

1453
00:41:40,482 --> 00:41:41,581
offsite built homes and what

1454
00:41:41,581 --> 00:41:43,782
like the practical difference

1455
00:41:43,782 --> 00:41:45,452
would be.

1456
00:41:45,452 --> 00:41:46,743
that's more of what I'm looking

1457
00:41:46,743 --> 00:41:46,743


1458
00:41:46,743 --> 00:41:48,955
for education on I guess to hel

1459
00:41:48,955 --> 00:41:48,955
p

1460
00:41:48,955 --> 00:41:53,130
me understand.

1461
00:41:53,130 --> 00:41:55,528
if that makes sense.

1462
00:41:55,528 --> 00:41:57,127
>> d   .

1463
00:41:57,127 --> 00:41:59,598
>>> dr. Mermer.

1464
00:41:59,598 --> 00:42:00,177
>> thank you, mr. Chair.

1465
00:42:00,177 --> 00:42:01,366
so my understanding

1466
00:42:01,366 --> 00:42:01,999
understanding and please corre

1467
00:42:01,999 --> 00:42:01,999
ct

1468
00:42:01,999 --> 00:42:03,751
me if where I     I'm wrong,

1469
00:42:03,751 --> 00:42:05,625
ms. Mcmullen, this would,

1470
00:42:05,625 --> 00:42:06,439
there are two different

1471
00:42:06,439 --> 00:42:08,960
requirements, so anything with

1472
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:08,960
a

1473
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:15,322
chassis would be put in the, t

1474
00:42:15,322 --> 00:42:15,322
he

1475
00:42:15,322 --> 00:42:16,518
requirements on regulating

1476
00:42:16,518 --> 00:42:21,123
mobile home parks would be

1477
00:42:21,123 --> 00:42:22,723
relevant, right?

1478
00:42:22,723 --> 00:42:24,071
because they have to be state

1479
00:42:24,071 --> 00:42:28,326
approved mobile homes.

1480
00:42:28,326 --> 00:42:29,765
>> yeah, so I think --

1481
00:42:29,765 --> 00:42:32,100
>> verse this manufactured hom

1482
00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:32,100
es

1483
00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:33,568
in single-family neighborhoods

1484
00:42:33,568 --> 00:42:33,568
,

1485
00:42:33,568 --> 00:42:36,343
those, we could require that

1486
00:42:36,343 --> 00:42:37,474
they not be allowed if they hav

1487
00:42:37,474 --> 00:42:37,474
e

1488
00:42:37,474 --> 00:42:40,703
a chassis, in which case, it

1489
00:42:40,703 --> 00:42:42,875
would only allow what most

1490
00:42:42,875 --> 00:42:45,514
manufactured home manufacturers

1491
00:42:45,514 --> 00:42:45,514


1492
00:42:45,514 --> 00:42:48,143
build, which look just like

1493
00:42:48,143 --> 00:42:50,795
on-site built houses but if you

1494
00:42:50,795 --> 00:42:50,795


1495
00:42:50,795 --> 00:42:52,852
look an on-site built house tha

1496
00:42:52,852 --> 00:42:52,852
t

1497
00:42:52,852 --> 00:42:55,628
has vinyl siding, that's noted

1498
00:42:55,628 --> 00:42:55,628


1499
00:42:55,628 --> 00:42:57,559
ney       what they look like.

1500
00:42:57,559 --> 00:42:57,559


1501
00:42:57,559 --> 00:42:59,299
we can still require they put

1502
00:42:59,299 --> 00:43:00,419
into a foundation and all that

1503
00:43:00,419 --> 00:43:00,419


1504
00:43:00,419 --> 00:43:01,061
stuff, right?

1505
00:43:01,061 --> 00:43:02,945
>> so I think, and I -- may hav

1506
00:43:02,945 --> 00:43:02,945
e

1507
00:43:02,945 --> 00:43:04,037
made it a little bit more

1508
00:43:04,037 --> 00:43:04,999
confusing the way I described

1509
00:43:04,999 --> 00:43:07,581
it, but I think the current, s

1510
00:43:07,581 --> 00:43:07,581
o

1511
00:43:07,581 --> 00:43:08,445
the current definition in the

1512
00:43:08,445 --> 00:43:09,675
city's land development code of

1513
00:43:09,675 --> 00:43:09,675


1514
00:43:09,675 --> 00:43:13,095
a mobile home talks about --

1515
00:43:13,095 --> 00:43:15,033
>> mobile homes would not --

1516
00:43:15,033 --> 00:43:15,353
>> yeah.

1517
00:43:15,353 --> 00:43:17,141
>> , the part of the new law

1518
00:43:17,141 --> 00:43:18,875
that affects single-family zon

1519
00:43:18,875 --> 00:43:18,875
ed

1520
00:43:18,875 --> 00:43:19,951
neighborhoods, mobile homes

1521
00:43:19,951 --> 00:43:25,917
would -- those, that new --

1522
00:43:25,917 --> 00:43:27,452
doesn't aplooito moibl homes.

1523
00:43:27,452 --> 00:43:28,552
>> -- apply to mobile homes.  >>

1524
00:43:28,552 --> 00:43:30,134
>> it does apply to mobile hom

1525
00:43:30,134 --> 00:43:30,134
es

1526
00:43:30,134 --> 00:43:33,009
fabricated after june 16th,

1527
00:43:33,009 --> 00:43:33,009
1976.

1528
00:43:33,009 --> 00:43:34,468
so effectively it is allowing

1529
00:43:34,468 --> 00:43:35,159
mobile homes, and I don't think

1530
00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:35,159


1531
00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:37,309
the code's definition is reall

1532
00:43:37,309 --> 00:43:37,309
y

1533
00:43:37,309 --> 00:43:38,833
applicable anymore in talking

1534
00:43:38,833 --> 00:43:40,698
about the chassis and whatnot.

1535
00:43:40,698 --> 00:43:40,698


1536
00:43:40,698 --> 00:43:42,903
sorry, I might've made that a

1537
00:43:42,903 --> 00:43:43,771
little bit more confusing.

1538
00:43:43,771 --> 00:43:44,581
>> I don't think so because I

1539
00:43:44,581 --> 00:43:45,171
thought -- if it's a mobile

1540
00:43:45,171 --> 00:43:46,606
home, that's already regulated

1541
00:43:46,606 --> 00:43:46,606


1542
00:43:46,606 --> 00:43:46,999
by the state.

1543
00:43:46,999 --> 00:43:48,053
the state decides what's

1544
00:43:48,053 --> 00:43:48,911
considered a mobile home.

1545
00:43:48,911 --> 00:43:51,862
so the new law does say we do

1546
00:43:51,862 --> 00:43:52,947
have to allow mobile homes.

1547
00:43:52,947 --> 00:43:56,059
>> essentially.

1548
00:43:56,059 --> 00:43:56,591
>> offsite whenever.

1549
00:43:56,591 --> 00:43:58,281
>> I mean, there's still will

1550
00:43:58,281 --> 00:44:02,108
be, there are requirements in

1551
00:44:02,108 --> 00:44:03,063
terms of how it has to be

1552
00:44:03,063 --> 00:44:03,063
anchored.

1553
00:44:03,063 --> 00:44:07,193
it probably would be more

1554
00:44:07,193 --> 00:44:09,259
helpful to get information fro

1555
00:44:09,259 --> 00:44:09,259
m

1556
00:44:09,259 --> 00:44:10,717
thebuilding official on kind o

1557
00:44:10,717 --> 00:44:10,717
f

1558
00:44:10,717 --> 00:44:11,581
those distinctions because he

1559
00:44:11,581 --> 00:44:13,389
explains it much better than I

1560
00:44:13,389 --> 00:44:13,389


1561
00:44:13,389 --> 00:44:15,397
can, but they don't necessarily

1562
00:44:15,397 --> 00:44:15,397


1563
00:44:15,397 --> 00:44:17,371
have to be put on a permanent

1564
00:44:17,371 --> 00:44:17,371
foundation.

1565
00:44:17,371 --> 00:44:18,891
they can be attached -- they c

1566
00:44:18,891 --> 00:44:18,891
an

1567
00:44:18,891 --> 00:44:20,999
be like piers and things like

1568
00:44:20,999 --> 00:44:20,999
that.

1569
00:44:20,999 --> 00:44:23,211
so we did discuss, you know, m

1570
00:44:23,211 --> 00:44:23,211
ay

1571
00:44:23,211 --> 00:44:26,918
be looking at compatibility

1572
00:44:26,918 --> 00:44:27,881
standards of requiring a

1573
00:44:27,881 --> 00:44:29,119
permanent foundation.

1574
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:30,616
that could cause, the concern

1575
00:44:30,616 --> 00:44:32,487
that came up for us on that is

1576
00:44:32,487 --> 00:44:32,487


1577
00:44:32,487 --> 00:44:34,548
some of the older neighborhoods

1578
00:44:34,548 --> 00:44:34,548
,

1579
00:44:34,548 --> 00:44:38,194
historic neighborhoods that hav

1580
00:44:38,194 --> 00:44:38,194
e

1581
00:44:38,194 --> 00:44:39,895
houses on piers.

1582
00:44:39,895 --> 00:44:42,326
>> [off mic]

1583
00:44:42,326 --> 00:44:43,776
>> the type of things we've

1584
00:44:43,776 --> 00:44:46,712
talked about so far, and why w

1585
00:44:46,712 --> 00:44:46,712
e

1586
00:44:46,712 --> 00:44:48,568
ultimately so far have decided

1587
00:44:48,568 --> 00:44:48,568


1588
00:44:48,568 --> 00:44:50,331
not to recommend any additional

1589
00:44:50,331 --> 00:44:50,331


1590
00:44:50,331 --> 00:44:53,276
restrictions because we don't

1591
00:44:53,276 --> 00:44:55,215
want that to affect houses tha

1592
00:44:55,215 --> 00:44:55,215
t

1593
00:44:55,215 --> 00:44:56,535
are already in existence, you

1594
00:44:56,535 --> 00:44:58,512
know, and it's not necessarily

1595
00:44:58,512 --> 00:44:58,512


1596
00:44:58,512 --> 00:45:01,482
always the way things are done,

1597
00:45:01,482 --> 00:45:01,482


1598
00:45:01,482 --> 00:45:01,482
but.

1599
00:45:01,482 --> 00:45:02,789
>> so the last thing I would

1600
00:45:02,789 --> 00:45:06,185
say, it sounds like, sounds lik

1601
00:45:06,185 --> 00:45:06,185
e

1602
00:45:06,185 --> 00:45:08,156
maybe the next step or the nex

1603
00:45:08,156 --> 00:45:08,156
t

1604
00:45:08,156 --> 00:45:10,602
step I'm, I  I think we should

1605
00:45:10,602 --> 00:45:10,990
do

1606
00:45:10,990 --> 00:45:16,062
is maybe see what, look at the

1607
00:45:16,062 --> 00:45:16,062
,

1608
00:45:16,062 --> 00:45:17,107
get a sense of the designs tha

1609
00:45:17,107 --> 00:45:17,107
t

1610
00:45:17,107 --> 00:45:20,873
are currently offered by mobil

1611
00:45:20,873 --> 00:45:20,873
e

1612
00:45:20,873 --> 00:45:22,168
home manufacturers.

1613
00:45:22,168 --> 00:45:23,301
you know, to see like you know

1614
00:45:23,301 --> 00:45:23,301


1615
00:45:23,301 --> 00:45:29,703
what we're possibly --

1616
00:45:29,703 --> 00:45:31,167
>> the date was 1976 though.

1617
00:45:31,167 --> 00:45:32,180
>> so I mean --

1618
00:45:32,180 --> 00:45:33,623
>> 1976?

1619
00:45:33,623 --> 00:45:33,623
1976?

1620
00:45:33,623 --> 00:45:36,315
>> it's not things that like

1621
00:45:36,315 --> 00:45:37,887
would necessarily be new and

1622
00:45:37,887 --> 00:45:37,887
modern.

1623
00:45:37,887 --> 00:45:39,261
>> yeah.

1624
00:45:39,261 --> 00:45:41,158
>> I mean, that's why I think

1625
00:45:41,158 --> 00:45:42,665
design considerations to the

1626
00:45:42,665 --> 00:45:46,058
extent that we can think about

1627
00:45:46,058 --> 00:45:46,195
I

1628
00:45:46,195 --> 00:45:46,865
would like to see our options.

1629
00:45:46,865 --> 00:45:46,865


1630
00:45:46,865 --> 00:45:47,521
>> I agree.

1631
00:45:47,521 --> 00:45:49,647
okay, I totally missed the 1976

1632
00:45:49,647 --> 00:45:49,647


1633
00:45:49,647 --> 00:45:49,647
thing.

1634
00:45:49,647 --> 00:45:49,647
sorry.

1635
00:45:49,647 --> 00:45:52,231
>> I didn't say that at the

1636
00:45:52,231 --> 00:45:53,163
beginning, so it's, you've got

1637
00:45:53,163 --> 00:45:53,163


1638
00:45:53,163 --> 00:45:54,773
to go a little bit deeper in t

1639
00:45:54,773 --> 00:45:54,773
he

1640
00:45:54,773 --> 00:45:54,773
statute.

1641
00:45:54,773 --> 00:45:58,473
>> 50 years.

1642
00:45:58,473 --> 00:45:59,299
>>> I imagine, I don't know

1643
00:45:59,299 --> 00:46:00,439
who's going to the planning

1644
00:46:00,439 --> 00:46:00,439
conference.

1645
00:46:00,439 --> 00:46:02,211
I imagine this is going to be

1646
00:46:02,211 --> 00:46:04,042
topic of conversation there.

1647
00:46:04,042 --> 00:46:06,071
if not even a presentation, I

1648
00:46:06,071 --> 00:46:07,557
would just be interested in you

1649
00:46:07,557 --> 00:46:07,557


1650
00:46:07,557 --> 00:46:09,181
all gathering information about

1651
00:46:09,181 --> 00:46:09,181


1652
00:46:09,181 --> 00:46:11,023
what, what other communities I

1653
00:46:11,023 --> 00:46:11,023
n

1654
00:46:11,023 --> 00:46:12,659
florida are doing --

1655
00:46:12,659 --> 00:46:13,667
>> absolutely.

1656
00:46:13,667 --> 00:46:14,939
>> florida specific issue, and

1657
00:46:14,939 --> 00:46:14,939


1658
00:46:14,939 --> 00:46:16,463
bringing just some information

1659
00:46:16,463 --> 00:46:16,463


1660
00:46:16,463 --> 00:46:17,231
back to us.

1661
00:46:17,231 --> 00:46:18,676
I would like to explore that

1662
00:46:18,676 --> 00:46:20,659
further and not just let it go

1663
00:46:20,659 --> 00:46:20,659


1664
00:46:20,659 --> 00:46:21,939
tonight as like we're not takin

1665
00:46:21,939 --> 00:46:21,939
g

1666
00:46:21,939 --> 00:46:22,609
action on this.

1667
00:46:22,609 --> 00:46:24,106
>> sure.

1668
00:46:24,106 --> 00:46:24,817
yeah, we're happy to do that

1669
00:46:24,817 --> 00:46:24,817
research.

1670
00:46:24,817 --> 00:46:27,861
>> dr. Mermer.

1671
00:46:27,861 --> 00:46:28,811
>> yep.

1672
00:46:28,811 --> 00:46:30,113
mr. Chair, should we make a

1673
00:46:30,113 --> 00:46:32,780
motion about that, ms. Sutton?

1674
00:46:32,780 --> 00:46:32,780


1675
00:46:32,780 --> 00:46:34,931
>> I mean, britney, do you fee

1676
00:46:34,931 --> 00:46:34,931
l

1677
00:46:34,931 --> 00:46:37,383
like you need a motion to that

1678
00:46:37,383 --> 00:46:37,383


1679
00:46:37,383 --> 00:46:38,691
effect, to bring us back more

1680
00:46:38,691 --> 00:46:38,691
information.

1681
00:46:38,691 --> 00:46:43,087
>> not necessarily.

1682
00:46:43,087 --> 00:46:43,837
>> I have a question about

1683
00:46:43,837 --> 00:46:43,837
this.

1684
00:46:43,837 --> 00:46:45,415
maybe this is actually good that

1685
00:46:45,415 --> 00:46:45,415


1686
00:46:45,415 --> 00:46:49,255
we've got our attorney here.

1687
00:46:49,255 --> 00:46:51,156
my understanding of sb180 is

1688
00:46:51,156 --> 00:46:53,193
that we couldn't apply any new

1689
00:46:53,193 --> 00:46:53,193


1690
00:46:53,193 --> 00:46:55,494
restrictions on mobile homes

1691
00:46:55,494 --> 00:46:58,111
because we would be applying new

1692
00:46:58,111 --> 00:46:58,111


1693
00:46:58,111 --> 00:46:58,765
restrictions to single-family

1694
00:46:58,765 --> 00:46:59,799
homes which would be a new

1695
00:46:59,799 --> 00:47:00,605
restriction which we're not

1696
00:47:00,605 --> 00:47:01,213
allowed to do.

1697
00:47:01,213 --> 00:47:02,835
>> that's my understanding is

1698
00:47:02,835 --> 00:47:02,835
also.

1699
00:47:02,835 --> 00:47:02,835
sorry.

1700
00:47:02,835 --> 00:47:06,872
you were asking.

1701
00:47:06,872 --> 00:47:08,400
>> I mean,.

1702
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:09,306
>> we've talked about it, and

1703
00:47:09,306 --> 00:47:11,245
we -- I think we both agree tha

1704
00:47:11,245 --> 00:47:11,245
t

1705
00:47:11,245 --> 00:47:12,587
yeah, I don't know I don't thi

1706
00:47:12,587 --> 00:47:12,587
nk

1707
00:47:12,587 --> 00:47:14,283
we could make those changes

1708
00:47:14,283 --> 00:47:16,868
until at least october of '27 o

1709
00:47:16,868 --> 00:47:16,868
r

1710
00:47:16,868 --> 00:47:17,953
if something changes.

1711
00:47:17,953 --> 00:47:21,991
>> or regarding a        -- bar

1712
00:47:21,991 --> 00:47:22,185
ring a

1713
00:47:22,185 --> 00:47:23,285
hurricane, state of emergency.

1714
00:47:23,285 --> 00:47:23,285


1715
00:47:23,285 --> 00:47:25,637
>> sure.

1716
00:47:25,637 --> 00:47:30,799
>> ms. Bell.

1717
00:47:30,799 --> 00:47:31,957
>> I don't disagree with the

1718
00:47:31,957 --> 00:47:33,073
idea of like evaluating what o

1719
00:47:33,073 --> 00:47:33,073
ur

1720
00:47:33,073 --> 00:47:36,455
options are, but I would ask I

1721
00:47:36,455 --> 00:47:36,455
f

1722
00:47:36,455 --> 00:47:39,743
staff, I would -- I would just

1723
00:47:39,743 --> 00:47:39,743


1724
00:47:39,743 --> 00:47:41,517
ask if staff could provide som

1725
00:47:41,517 --> 00:47:41,517
e

1726
00:47:41,517 --> 00:47:43,917
cost impact assessment of what

1727
00:47:43,917 --> 00:47:43,917


1728
00:47:43,917 --> 00:47:45,839
any requirements couldpably

1729
00:47:45,839 --> 00:47:46,047


1730
00:47:46,047 --> 00:47:47,081
could potentially add because

1731
00:47:47,081 --> 00:47:48,079
without getting into any of the

1732
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:48,079


1733
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:50,863
politics of it, strictly from

1734
00:47:50,863 --> 00:47:55,958
someone on the ai ahac, the

1735
00:47:55,958 --> 00:47:57,351
affordable housing impact of I

1736
00:47:57,351 --> 00:47:57,351
t,

1737
00:47:57,351 --> 00:47:59,025
it's an opportunity to bring I

1738
00:47:59,025 --> 00:47:59,025
n

1739
00:47:59,025 --> 00:48:00,669
more affordable housing options

1740
00:48:00,669 --> 00:48:00,669


1741
00:48:00,669 --> 00:48:02,099
into our city, comes is

1742
00:48:02,099 --> 00:48:03,979
desperately fee -- which is

1743
00:48:03,979 --> 00:48:04,805
desperately needed.

1744
00:48:04,805 --> 00:48:05,747
so from a neighborhood, again,

1745
00:48:05,747 --> 00:48:05,747


1746
00:48:05,747 --> 00:48:06,985
I'm having a brain fart on the

1747
00:48:06,985 --> 00:48:06,985


1748
00:48:06,985 --> 00:48:08,835
word, like neighborhood vibe

1749
00:48:08,835 --> 00:48:10,247
compatibility perspective, I g

1750
00:48:10,247 --> 00:48:10,247
et

1751
00:48:10,247 --> 00:48:11,207
why we're going with that, but

1752
00:48:11,207 --> 00:48:11,337
I

1753
00:48:11,337 --> 00:48:14,513
would be interested in what the

1754
00:48:14,513 --> 00:48:14,513


1755
00:48:14,513 --> 00:48:18,311
cost impact of enforcing that

1756
00:48:18,311 --> 00:48:19,319
compatibility would have and

1757
00:48:19,319 --> 00:48:20,619
would it take away the

1758
00:48:20,619 --> 00:48:23,348
affordable benefit essentially.

1759
00:48:23,348 --> 00:48:23,348


1760
00:48:23,348 --> 00:48:31,270
thank you.

1761
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:32,435
>> can I just say I think the

1762
00:48:32,435 --> 00:48:33,995
impacts of it a little

1763
00:48:33,995 --> 00:48:33,995
overblown.

1764
00:48:33,995 --> 00:48:35,205
I think it would be great to

1765
00:48:35,205 --> 00:48:36,235
have more housing di v.ty in

1766
00:48:36,235 --> 00:48:36,235
neighborhoods.

1767
00:48:36,235 --> 00:48:37,937
-- diversity in neighborhoods.

1768
00:48:37,937 --> 00:48:37,937


1769
00:48:37,937 --> 00:48:41,897
I think the idea of the vibe of

1770
00:48:41,897 --> 00:48:41,897


1771
00:48:41,897 --> 00:48:43,671
a neighborhood being disrupted

1772
00:48:43,671 --> 00:48:43,671


1773
00:48:43,671 --> 00:48:45,107
is -- I don't agree with that

1774
00:48:45,107 --> 00:48:45,879
thinking because neighborhoods

1775
00:48:45,879 --> 00:48:45,879


1776
00:48:45,879 --> 00:48:47,177
are ever changing, and so if

1777
00:48:47,177 --> 00:48:48,177
this is a way neighborhood

1778
00:48:48,177 --> 00:48:49,583
changes, so be it.

1779
00:48:49,583 --> 00:48:51,049
I also think that the

1780
00:48:51,049 --> 00:48:52,425
neighborhoods that are most

1781
00:48:52,425 --> 00:48:53,749
concerned about the vibe

1782
00:48:53,749 --> 00:48:54,947
changing are probably not the

1783
00:48:54,947 --> 00:48:56,587
ones where people are seeking t

1784
00:48:56,587 --> 00:48:56,587
o

1785
00:48:56,587 --> 00:48:58,023
put manufactured or mobile

1786
00:48:58,023 --> 00:48:58,023
homes.

1787
00:48:58,023 --> 00:49:01,165
they can make more money in

1788
00:49:01,165 --> 00:49:02,688
using nose lots in other --

1789
00:49:02,688 --> 00:49:05,789
those lots in other ways.

1790
00:49:05,789 --> 00:49:07,897
I always get worried when we

1791
00:49:07,897 --> 00:49:08,763
bring up this character of the

1792
00:49:08,763 --> 00:49:08,763


1793
00:49:08,763 --> 00:49:09,745
neighborhood thing because I

1794
00:49:09,745 --> 00:49:10,513
would rather have more people I

1795
00:49:10,513 --> 00:49:10,513
n

1796
00:49:10,513 --> 00:49:12,369
houses than caring about some,

1797
00:49:12,369 --> 00:49:12,369


1798
00:49:12,369 --> 00:49:13,215
everybody has a different vision

1799
00:49:13,215 --> 00:49:13,215


1800
00:49:13,215 --> 00:49:13,995
of what a neighborhood's

1801
00:49:13,995 --> 00:49:15,870
supposed to be like anyways, so

1802
00:49:15,870 --> 00:49:15,870


1803
00:49:15,870 --> 00:49:17,459
trying to -- everybody I think

1804
00:49:17,459 --> 00:49:17,459


1805
00:49:17,459 --> 00:49:18,808
is a fool's errand.

1806
00:49:18,808 --> 00:49:21,666
with that said, ms. Sutton.

1807
00:49:21,666 --> 00:49:23,752
>> yeah, I dyou

1808
00:49:23,752 --> 00:49:27,562
know, I'm necessarily worried

1809
00:49:27,562 --> 00:49:28,085
about the old established

1810
00:49:28,085 --> 00:49:29,545
neighborhoods -- gainesville.

1811
00:49:29,545 --> 00:49:32,819
I think my concern is, like, I

1812
00:49:32,819 --> 00:49:32,819


1813
00:49:32,819 --> 00:49:36,233
think you underestimate the, t

1814
00:49:36,233 --> 00:49:36,233
he

1815
00:49:36,233 --> 00:49:38,209
profit motive of developers tha

1816
00:49:38,209 --> 00:49:38,209
t

1817
00:49:38,209 --> 00:49:40,195
are trying to maximize some of

1818
00:49:40,195 --> 00:49:40,195


1819
00:49:40,195 --> 00:49:41,241
the areas around the universit

1820
00:49:41,241 --> 00:49:41,241
y

1821
00:49:41,241 --> 00:49:43,894
and some sensitive areas that

1822
00:49:43,894 --> 00:49:46,064
already have had a lot of

1823
00:49:46,064 --> 00:49:47,462
redevelopment in a more tasteful

1824
00:49:47,462 --> 00:49:47,462


1825
00:49:47,462 --> 00:49:50,343
way than this might be.

1826
00:49:50,343 --> 00:49:51,633
I think, you know, people who

1827
00:49:51,633 --> 00:49:53,941
have a large profit motive hav

1828
00:49:53,941 --> 00:49:53,941
e

1829
00:49:53,941 --> 00:49:55,568
done some really interesting

1830
00:49:55,568 --> 00:49:56,804
things in the neighborhoods

1831
00:49:56,804 --> 00:50:00,211
close to campus, and I'm afrai

1832
00:50:00,211 --> 00:50:00,211
d

1833
00:50:00,211 --> 00:50:01,841
not for necessarily what's goi

1834
00:50:01,841 --> 00:50:01,841
ng

1835
00:50:01,841 --> 00:50:03,381
to happen next to my house, but

1836
00:50:03,381 --> 00:50:03,381


1837
00:50:03,381 --> 00:50:04,943
what's going to happen to these

1838
00:50:04,943 --> 00:50:04,943


1839
00:50:04,943 --> 00:50:07,763
parts of our community that hav

1840
00:50:07,763 --> 00:50:07,763
e

1841
00:50:07,763 --> 00:50:11,160
already been impacted immensely

1842
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:11,160


1843
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,127
without this being a potential

1844
00:50:13,127 --> 00:50:13,127


1845
00:50:13,127 --> 00:50:13,127
option.

1846
00:50:13,127 --> 00:50:18,222
>> dr. Mermer.

1847
00:50:18,222 --> 00:50:18,785
>>> thank you, mr. Chair.

1848
00:50:18,785 --> 00:50:20,671
yeah, I mean, I'm not concerned

1849
00:50:20,671 --> 00:50:20,671


1850
00:50:20,671 --> 00:50:23,007
about the, the aesthetic of the

1851
00:50:23,007 --> 00:50:23,007


1852
00:50:23,007 --> 00:50:23,973
neighborhood or the feel or

1853
00:50:23,973 --> 00:50:23,973
anything.

1854
00:50:23,973 --> 00:50:27,969
I just, I grew up in a mobile

1855
00:50:27,969 --> 00:50:29,976
home that was manufactured in

1856
00:50:29,976 --> 00:50:32,945
the early 80s, and the

1857
00:50:32,945 --> 00:50:33,825
neighborhood I grew up in,

1858
00:50:33,825 --> 00:50:35,439
that's all there was.

1859
00:50:35,439 --> 00:50:36,419
and there are just serious

1860
00:50:36,419 --> 00:50:37,936
health and safety issues with

1861
00:50:37,936 --> 00:50:37,936
a

1862
00:50:37,936 --> 00:50:41,218
lot of the 80s mobile homes.

1863
00:50:41,218 --> 00:50:42,341
so I'm concerned about, you

1864
00:50:42,341 --> 00:50:44,095
know, even if you pack them

1865
00:50:44,095 --> 00:50:48,635
together, the fire risk oo   o

1866
00:50:48,635 --> 00:50:48,635
of

1867
00:50:48,635 --> 00:50:49,423
these particular buildings.

1868
00:50:49,423 --> 00:50:51,809
inthis was anything -- if this

1869
00:50:51,809 --> 00:50:51,809


1870
00:50:51,809 --> 00:50:53,271
was anything built after 2010,

1871
00:50:53,271 --> 00:50:53,369
I

1872
00:50:53,369 --> 00:50:54,511
would be like whatever, but I a

1873
00:50:54,511 --> 00:50:54,511
m

1874
00:50:54,511 --> 00:51:00,611
concerned about the fireisk

1875
00:51:00,611 --> 00:51:00,785
fire

1876
00:51:00,785 --> 00:51:02,677
risk in general and

1877
00:51:02,677 --> 00:51:02,677
habitability.

1878
00:51:02,677 --> 00:51:04,479
I don't know if that's useful

1879
00:51:04,479 --> 00:51:06,755
for you when you're gathering

1880
00:51:06,755 --> 00:51:07,473
information but I wanted to

1881
00:51:07,473 --> 00:51:07,981
throw that out.

1882
00:51:07,981 --> 00:51:08,611
>> thank you.

1883
00:51:08,611 --> 00:51:10,945
any other comments or questions

1884
00:51:10,945 --> 00:51:10,945


1885
00:51:10,945 --> 00:51:15,896
from the board on this item?

1886
00:51:15,896 --> 00:51:17,304
boy, sure is fascinating all

1887
00:51:17,304 --> 00:51:18,291
this stuff the state is doing.

1888
00:51:18,291 --> 00:51:18,291


1889
00:51:18,291 --> 00:51:19,591
it's basically putting us out o

1890
00:51:19,591 --> 00:51:19,591
f

1891
00:51:19,591 --> 00:51:20,449
business on the board, you

1892
00:51:20,449 --> 00:51:20,449
know?

1893
00:51:20,449 --> 00:51:20,449
[laughter]

1894
00:51:20,449 --> 00:51:23,961
>> at least somebody is.

1895
00:51:23,961 --> 00:51:25,237
>> well, you know.

1896
00:51:25,237 --> 00:51:28,806
dr. Mermer.

1897
00:51:28,806 --> 00:51:30,747
>> mobile home conversation.

1898
00:51:30,747 --> 00:51:34,479
private providers of fees.

1899
00:51:34,479 --> 00:51:37,243
if we have -- if you have to,

1900
00:51:37,243 --> 00:51:38,331
all staff really have to work

1901
00:51:38,331 --> 00:51:41,046
harder and faster to meet the

1902
00:51:41,046 --> 00:51:43,383
new deadlines, would that

1903
00:51:43,383 --> 00:51:45,745
additional work be ought to be

1904
00:51:45,745 --> 00:51:45,745


1905
00:51:45,745 --> 00:51:46,791
factored into the fees?

1906
00:51:46,791 --> 00:51:47,925
so I think you have to give them

1907
00:51:47,925 --> 00:51:47,925


1908
00:51:47,925 --> 00:51:50,675
a discount for using a private

1909
00:51:50,675 --> 00:51:50,675


1910
00:51:50,675 --> 00:51:53,407
provider essentially but it is

1911
00:51:53,407 --> 00:51:53,407


1912
00:51:53,407 --> 00:51:55,429
putting more work on staff to

1913
00:51:55,429 --> 00:51:57,199
rush to get comments in.

1914
00:51:57,199 --> 00:51:58,407
so is there a way to recruit

1915
00:51:58,407 --> 00:51:59,187
that cost?

1916
00:51:59,187 --> 00:51:59,932
-- recoup that cost.

1917
00:51:59,932 --> 00:52:03,100
>> it's a good question.

1918
00:52:03,100 --> 00:52:04,971
I would have to let the building

1919
00:52:04,971 --> 00:52:04,971


1920
00:52:04,971 --> 00:52:07,053
departments -- a little bit mor

1921
00:52:07,053 --> 00:52:07,053
e

1922
00:52:07,053 --> 00:52:07,517
about that.

1923
00:52:07,517 --> 00:52:09,341
I can tell you they are doing a

1924
00:52:09,341 --> 00:52:09,341
n

1925
00:52:09,341 --> 00:52:11,247
assessment of all of that right

1926
00:52:11,247 --> 00:52:11,247


1927
00:52:11,247 --> 00:52:12,167
now so I can let you know what

1928
00:52:12,167 --> 00:52:12,167


1929
00:52:12,167 --> 00:52:14,517
the results are of that: I

1930
00:52:14,517 --> 00:52:15,487
haven't been as involved with

1931
00:52:15,487 --> 00:52:17,225
the building fee part.

1932
00:52:17,225 --> 00:52:19,120
I mean I can tell you the

1933
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,586
building fund though is, you

1934
00:52:21,586 --> 00:52:23,923
know, without trying to get int

1935
00:52:23,923 --> 00:52:23,923
o

1936
00:52:23,923 --> 00:52:25,225
too much detail on the budget,

1937
00:52:25,225 --> 00:52:25,225


1938
00:52:25,225 --> 00:52:26,331
the building fund is separate

1939
00:52:26,331 --> 00:52:29,023
from the general fund, it's kind

1940
00:52:29,023 --> 00:52:29,023


1941
00:52:29,023 --> 00:52:29,967
of only for the building

1942
00:52:29,967 --> 00:52:29,967
department.

1943
00:52:29,967 --> 00:52:34,595
but I'd be happy to let you know

1944
00:52:34,595 --> 00:52:34,595


1945
00:52:34,595 --> 00:52:36,922
what --

1946
00:52:36,922 --> 00:52:38,471
>> yes and not being able to

1947
00:52:38,471 --> 00:52:41,665
open --

1948
00:52:41,665 --> 00:52:42,923
>> yeah.

1949
00:52:42,923 --> 00:52:44,453
>> okay.

1950
00:52:44,453 --> 00:52:45,377
anymore questions or comments

1951
00:52:45,377 --> 00:52:47,351
about any of the items that wer

1952
00:52:47,351 --> 00:52:47,351
e

1953
00:52:47,351 --> 00:52:49,313
just presented in our statutory

1954
00:52:49,313 --> 00:52:49,313


1955
00:52:49,313 --> 00:52:49,313
updates?

1956
00:52:49,313 --> 00:52:52,254
if not, I think we'll move ont

1957
00:52:52,254 --> 00:52:52,254
o

1958
00:52:52,254 --> 00:52:56,296
board member training.

1959
00:52:56,296 --> 00:52:57,589
board's favorite city attorney,

1960
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:57,589


1961
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:59,299
mr. Mcdermott.

1962
00:52:59,299 --> 00:53:01,459
>> good evening.

1963
00:53:01,459 --> 00:53:03,079
shawn mcdermott, assistant cit

1964
00:53:03,079 --> 00:53:03,079
y

1965
00:53:03,079 --> 00:53:03,079
attorney.

1966
00:53:03,079 --> 00:53:08,069
so staff asked me to come and

1967
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:10,472
just speak to the board about

1968
00:53:10,472 --> 00:53:12,573
some, just the general laws tha

1969
00:53:12,573 --> 00:53:12,573
t

1970
00:53:12,573 --> 00:53:18,818
pertain to public boards.

1971
00:53:18,818 --> 00:53:19,885
also just on tuesday went to t

1972
00:53:19,885 --> 00:53:19,885
he

1973
00:53:19,885 --> 00:53:20,913
development review board and a

1974
00:53:20,913 --> 00:53:20,913


1975
00:53:20,913 --> 00:53:22,353
big chunk of those members are

1976
00:53:22,353 --> 00:53:22,353


1977
00:53:22,353 --> 00:53:23,353
brand new, and so they

1978
00:53:23,353 --> 00:53:26,629
appreciated and wanted me to

1979
00:53:26,629 --> 00:53:28,085
give the full blown

1980
00:53:28,085 --> 00:53:28,085
presentation.

1981
00:53:28,085 --> 00:53:29,269
this board has a lot of

1982
00:53:29,269 --> 00:53:30,201
experience, and so --

1983
00:53:30,201 --> 00:53:32,016
>> we have a couple -- you know,

1984
00:53:32,016 --> 00:53:32,016


1985
00:53:32,016 --> 00:53:32,889
there are some still some

1986
00:53:32,889 --> 00:53:34,364
newness I think on --

1987
00:53:34,364 --> 00:53:35,761
>> sure, so I'll just give you

1988
00:53:35,761 --> 00:53:35,761


1989
00:53:35,761 --> 00:53:38,264
the option of, I can either wal

1990
00:53:38,264 --> 00:53:38,264
k

1991
00:53:38,264 --> 00:53:41,039
through the whole -- what I

1992
00:53:41,039 --> 00:53:43,040
think are the highlights of wh

1993
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:43,040
at

1994
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:43,976
you need to know, or

1995
00:53:43,976 --> 00:53:45,111
alternatively, if there is jus

1996
00:53:45,111 --> 00:53:45,111
t

1997
00:53:45,111 --> 00:53:46,871
any questions or things you've

1998
00:53:46,871 --> 00:53:46,871


1999
00:53:46,871 --> 00:53:48,203
always thought about like how

2000
00:53:48,203 --> 00:53:49,510
does that work legally with our

2001
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:49,510


2002
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:53,744
board, what can we can't we do,

2003
00:53:53,744 --> 00:53:53,744


2004
00:53:53,744 --> 00:53:55,815
you know, I'm happy to go down

2005
00:53:55,815 --> 00:53:55,815


2006
00:53:55,815 --> 00:53:56,496
that road too.

2007
00:53:56,496 --> 00:53:57,923
whatever you want prefer,

2008
00:53:57,923 --> 00:53:59,393
whatever's the most helpful I'l

2009
00:53:59,393 --> 00:53:59,393
l

2010
00:53:59,393 --> 00:53:59,393
do.

2011
00:53:59,393 --> 00:54:02,836
I just given your experience an

2012
00:54:02,836 --> 00:54:02,836
d

2013
00:54:02,836 --> 00:54:04,059
new members like I'm happy to

2014
00:54:04,059 --> 00:54:05,831
even if one on one, you know, I

2015
00:54:05,831 --> 00:54:05,831
f

2016
00:54:05,831 --> 00:54:07,911
it's, if it's better in that

2017
00:54:07,911 --> 00:54:10,427
regard, I just don't want to

2018
00:54:10,427 --> 00:54:13,304
bore bob and everybody else.

2019
00:54:13,304 --> 00:54:14,075
>> I think start with the high

2020
00:54:14,075 --> 00:54:14,075


2021
00:54:14,075 --> 00:54:15,575
level overview, and then you

2022
00:54:15,575 --> 00:54:16,703
know this board is not afraid o

2023
00:54:16,703 --> 00:54:16,703
f

2024
00:54:16,703 --> 00:54:19,107
asking questions.

2025
00:54:19,107 --> 00:54:20,639
so if they'll have questions I

2026
00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:20,639


2027
00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:22,647
feel like they will pepper you

2028
00:54:22,647 --> 00:54:22,647


2029
00:54:22,647 --> 00:54:23,411
with questions.

2030
00:54:23,411 --> 00:54:24,277
>> okay, well, of course, feel

2031
00:54:24,277 --> 00:54:24,277


2032
00:54:24,277 --> 00:54:25,251
free to ask questions.

2033
00:54:25,251 --> 00:54:26,678
but I'll just,.

2034
00:54:26,678 --> 00:54:27,561
>> actually we've got one

2035
00:54:27,561 --> 00:54:27,561
already.

2036
00:54:27,561 --> 00:54:28,483
I can tell.

2037
00:54:28,483 --> 00:54:29,667
>> no, I was just going to say

2038
00:54:29,667 --> 00:54:29,667


2039
00:54:29,667 --> 00:54:30,859
even though like some of us are

2040
00:54:30,859 --> 00:54:30,859


2041
00:54:30,859 --> 00:54:32,665
newer to this board, we think

2042
00:54:32,665 --> 00:54:34,487
we've all served on boards,

2043
00:54:34,487 --> 00:54:36,443
like, you know, dr. Mermer's on

2044
00:54:36,443 --> 00:54:36,443


2045
00:54:36,443 --> 00:54:39,656
the count aahac, I'm on the cit

2046
00:54:39,656 --> 00:54:39,656
y

2047
00:54:39,656 --> 00:54:39,656
ahac.

2048
00:54:39,656 --> 00:54:45,931
>> she has been a city planner

2049
00:54:45,931 --> 00:54:45,931


2050
00:54:45,931 --> 00:54:47,001
and on the board so basic,

2051
00:54:47,001 --> 00:54:48,471
basic, basic we're probably oka

2052
00:54:48,471 --> 00:54:48,471
y

2053
00:54:48,471 --> 00:54:49,571
on for what's that worth.

2054
00:54:49,571 --> 00:54:52,673
>> dwhraw,     yeah, that's wha

2055
00:54:52,673 --> 00:54:53,343
t I

2056
00:54:53,343 --> 00:54:53,343
assumed.

2057
00:54:53,343 --> 00:54:53,967
so yeah.

2058
00:54:53,967 --> 00:54:59,672
I'll just hit a refresher on

2059
00:54:59,672 --> 00:55:00,443
what I think are high level

2060
00:55:00,443 --> 00:55:00,443
things.

2061
00:55:00,443 --> 00:55:02,081
and feel free to ask any

2062
00:55:02,081 --> 00:55:03,419
questions at any time or we can

2063
00:55:03,419 --> 00:55:03,419


2064
00:55:03,419 --> 00:55:05,556
veer the discussion wherever y

2065
00:55:05,556 --> 00:55:05,556
ou

2066
00:55:05,556 --> 00:55:09,857
want, but there     all to say

2067
00:55:09,857 --> 00:55:09,857


2068
00:55:09,857 --> 00:55:11,319
should be short and sweet but

2069
00:55:11,319 --> 00:55:12,818
stay as long as you want.

2070
00:55:12,818 --> 00:55:15,699
so the big picture laws that

2071
00:55:15,699 --> 00:55:16,702
govern public boards that you

2072
00:55:16,702 --> 00:55:18,009
all know are sunshine law public

2073
00:55:18,009 --> 00:55:18,009


2074
00:55:18,009 --> 00:55:19,467
records and ethics.

2075
00:55:19,467 --> 00:55:24,602
and then zooming in from there

2076
00:55:24,602 --> 00:55:24,602


2077
00:55:24,602 --> 00:55:26,036
there are certain particulars

2078
00:55:26,036 --> 00:55:28,210
every board needs to know about

2079
00:55:28,210 --> 00:55:28,210


2080
00:55:28,210 --> 00:55:29,389
how their board operatessism so

2081
00:55:29,389 --> 00:55:30,461


2082
00:55:30,461 --> 00:55:31,434
so -- operates.

2083
00:55:31,434 --> 00:55:32,506
so to fly through those.

2084
00:55:32,506 --> 00:55:34,045
the sunshine law, the main thi

2085
00:55:34,045 --> 00:55:34,045
ng

2086
00:55:34,045 --> 00:55:35,149
you would need to know is when

2087
00:55:35,149 --> 00:55:35,149


2088
00:55:35,149 --> 00:55:36,243
you would have a meeting but

2089
00:55:36,243 --> 00:55:37,563
any -- a meeting between twent

2090
00:55:37,563 --> 00:55:37,563
y

2091
00:55:37,563 --> 00:55:39,655
two or more -- between two or

2092
00:55:39,655 --> 00:55:40,739
more members of this body has to

2093
00:55:40,739 --> 00:55:40,739


2094
00:55:40,739 --> 00:55:45,646
be in the public, has to be

2095
00:55:45,646 --> 00:55:48,826
noticedded to the public, and

2096
00:55:48,826 --> 00:55:49,961
notes have to be taken.

2097
00:55:49,961 --> 00:55:52,226
staff takes care of that but

2098
00:55:52,226 --> 00:55:54,407
what's a meeting because that'

2099
00:55:54,407 --> 00:55:54,407
s

2100
00:55:54,407 --> 00:55:55,501
what you want to avoid out of a

2101
00:55:55,501 --> 00:55:55,501


2102
00:55:55,501 --> 00:55:57,135
public was peye.

2103
00:55:57,135 --> 00:55:58,570
a meeting is when two or more

2104
00:55:58,570 --> 00:55:59,379
members communicate in any way

2105
00:55:59,379 --> 00:55:59,379


2106
00:55:59,379 --> 00:56:00,252
about business that would come

2107
00:56:00,252 --> 00:56:00,252


2108
00:56:00,252 --> 00:56:02,724
before this board.

2109
00:56:02,724 --> 00:56:05,904
it could be informally.

2110
00:56:05,904 --> 00:56:08,217
it  it doesn't have to be in

2111
00:56:08,217 --> 00:56:08,217
person.

2112
00:56:08,217 --> 00:56:09,575
it could be through e-mails.

2113
00:56:09,575 --> 00:56:11,086
anything where like I said, two

2114
00:56:11,086 --> 00:56:11,086


2115
00:56:11,086 --> 00:56:12,089
or more members of this

2116
00:56:12,089 --> 00:56:13,820
particular board communicate

2117
00:56:13,820 --> 00:56:15,052
about items that could come

2118
00:56:15,052 --> 00:56:16,804
before this board.

2119
00:56:16,804 --> 00:56:17,987
if that ever happens, you just

2120
00:56:17,987 --> 00:56:17,987


2121
00:56:17,987 --> 00:56:20,361
want mike    make sure that's at

2122
00:56:20,361 --> 00:56:20,626
a

2123
00:56:20,626 --> 00:56:21,223
public meeting.

2124
00:56:21,223 --> 00:56:23,061
so avoid e-mails, back and for

2125
00:56:23,061 --> 00:56:23,061
th

2126
00:56:23,061 --> 00:56:25,641
e-mails, text messages, if you

2127
00:56:25,641 --> 00:56:25,641


2128
00:56:25,641 --> 00:56:27,562
see each other in publix, that

2129
00:56:27,562 --> 00:56:27,562


2130
00:56:27,562 --> 00:56:28,099
type of stuff.

2131
00:56:28,099 --> 00:56:29,901
keep all discussion about this

2132
00:56:29,901 --> 00:56:29,901


2133
00:56:29,901 --> 00:56:32,410
board in the public meetings.

2134
00:56:32,410 --> 00:56:33,157
of course you can discuss

2135
00:56:33,157 --> 00:56:36,381
anything else outside you know,

2136
00:56:36,381 --> 00:56:36,381


2137
00:56:36,381 --> 00:56:37,513
you can be friends and hang out

2138
00:56:37,513 --> 00:56:37,513


2139
00:56:37,513 --> 00:56:41,122
otherwise, but just that.

2140
00:56:41,122 --> 00:56:45,827
so public records is pretty, y

2141
00:56:45,827 --> 00:56:45,827
ou

2142
00:56:45,827 --> 00:56:47,010
know, common sense.

2143
00:56:47,010 --> 00:56:49,455
it's just any type of data

2144
00:56:49,455 --> 00:56:52,057
that's recorded that you make o

2145
00:56:52,057 --> 00:56:52,057
r

2146
00:56:52,057 --> 00:56:53,055
receive that has anything to d

2147
00:56:53,055 --> 00:56:53,055
o

2148
00:56:53,055 --> 00:56:54,436
with the official business of

2149
00:56:54,436 --> 00:56:57,228
the city or your board, that h

2150
00:56:57,228 --> 00:56:57,228
as

2151
00:56:57,228 --> 00:57:02,800
to be kept pursuant to certain

2152
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:02,800


2153
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,522
florida statutory requirements

2154
00:57:04,522 --> 00:57:04,522


2155
00:57:04,522 --> 00:57:05,543
about how long it has to be

2156
00:57:05,543 --> 00:57:05,543
kept.

2157
00:57:05,543 --> 00:57:08,613
so all the important takeaway

2158
00:57:08,613 --> 00:57:09,942
there is if you ever receive a

2159
00:57:09,942 --> 00:57:09,942
ny

2160
00:57:09,942 --> 00:57:12,113
type of data, I say data becau

2161
00:57:12,113 --> 00:57:12,113
se

2162
00:57:12,113 --> 00:57:12,969
it's broad, you know,

2163
00:57:12,969 --> 00:57:14,417
voicemails, e-mails, text

2164
00:57:14,417 --> 00:57:16,413
messages, papers, that have

2165
00:57:16,413 --> 00:57:17,399
anything to do with the business

2166
00:57:17,399 --> 00:57:17,399


2167
00:57:17,399 --> 00:57:20,445
of this board, just make sure,

2168
00:57:20,445 --> 00:57:20,445


2169
00:57:20,445 --> 00:57:23,421
just give it to staff.

2170
00:57:23,421 --> 00:57:24,723
just make sure staff has it, a

2171
00:57:24,723 --> 00:57:24,723
nd

2172
00:57:24,723 --> 00:57:28,027
then you're fine.

2173
00:57:28,027 --> 00:57:29,797
so common things that you'll r

2174
00:57:29,797 --> 00:57:29,797
un

2175
00:57:29,797 --> 00:57:31,231
into are like paper copies tha

2176
00:57:31,231 --> 00:57:31,231
t

2177
00:57:31,231 --> 00:57:31,526
you receive.

2178
00:57:31,526 --> 00:57:32,978
if it's just a copy and staff

2179
00:57:32,978 --> 00:57:34,699
has the original version, then

2180
00:57:34,699 --> 00:57:34,699


2181
00:57:34,699 --> 00:57:36,141
you can throw the paper copies

2182
00:57:36,141 --> 00:57:36,141


2183
00:57:36,141 --> 00:57:37,809
out as soon as it loses its

2184
00:57:37,809 --> 00:57:39,217
value to you.

2185
00:57:39,217 --> 00:57:40,495
so it's the original you know

2186
00:57:40,495 --> 00:57:42,511
you just want to make sure

2187
00:57:42,511 --> 00:57:43,911
somebody in the city has an

2188
00:57:43,911 --> 00:57:45,449
original of whatever you come

2189
00:57:45,449 --> 00:57:46,955
across as far as public

2190
00:57:46,955 --> 00:57:46,955
records.

2191
00:57:46,955 --> 00:57:51,193
ethics is the big ones to

2192
00:57:51,193 --> 00:57:53,121
remember for ethics are that

2193
00:57:53,121 --> 00:57:55,223
this board has certain reporting

2194
00:57:55,223 --> 00:57:55,223


2195
00:57:55,223 --> 00:57:56,423
requirements at the state level

2196
00:57:56,423 --> 00:57:56,423


2197
00:57:56,423 --> 00:58:00,585
that you want to, you know, be

2198
00:58:00,585 --> 00:58:00,585


2199
00:58:00,585 --> 00:58:01,359
apprised of.

2200
00:58:01,359 --> 00:58:05,679
one of them is the form 1 I

2201
00:58:05,679 --> 00:58:08,839
believe it is that you have to

2202
00:58:08,839 --> 00:58:08,839


2203
00:58:08,839 --> 00:58:11,865
fill out, which is, it's an

2204
00:58:11,865 --> 00:58:14,881
abbreviated financial

2205
00:58:14,881 --> 00:58:16,373
disclosure, so it's relatively

2206
00:58:16,373 --> 00:58:16,373


2207
00:58:16,373 --> 00:58:19,207
short, it's not to the lengths

2208
00:58:19,207 --> 00:58:19,207


2209
00:58:19,207 --> 00:58:21,445
that an elected officials have

2210
00:58:21,445 --> 00:58:21,445


2211
00:58:21,445 --> 00:58:22,880
to go through, so it's hole fea

2212
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:23,587
p

2213
00:58:23,587 --> 00:58:25,866
hopefully painless, but that

2214
00:58:25,866 --> 00:58:27,225
form, the form limited one

2215
00:58:27,225 --> 00:58:28,355
financial disclosure has to be

2216
00:58:28,355 --> 00:58:28,355


2217
00:58:28,355 --> 00:58:29,351
provided to the florida

2218
00:58:29,351 --> 00:58:31,215
commission on ethics once a

2219
00:58:31,215 --> 00:58:31,215
year.

2220
00:58:31,215 --> 00:58:32,373
so you just need to make sure

2221
00:58:32,373 --> 00:58:33,658
you do that once a year, it's

2222
00:58:33,658 --> 00:58:35,485
done electronically, I think

2223
00:58:35,485 --> 00:58:38,203
through their web site: staff

2224
00:58:38,203 --> 00:58:39,497
can help you out if you need,

2225
00:58:39,497 --> 00:58:40,979
you know, some --

2226
00:58:40,979 --> 00:58:42,979
>> just required, so --

2227
00:58:42,979 --> 00:58:44,677
>> okay.

2228
00:58:44,677 --> 00:58:45,335
>> theoretically we've got a

2229
00:58:45,335 --> 00:58:45,799
year to do it.

2230
00:58:45,799 --> 00:58:47,973
I don't think we're -- june or

2231
00:58:47,973 --> 00:58:47,973


2232
00:58:47,973 --> 00:58:47,973
july.

2233
00:58:47,973 --> 00:58:50,747
>> they shoot you an email and

2234
00:58:50,747 --> 00:58:51,043
a

2235
00:58:51,043 --> 00:58:52,141
few reminders.

2236
00:58:52,141 --> 00:58:52,739
>> oh, good.

2237
00:58:52,739 --> 00:58:53,581
>> they're pretty good about

2238
00:58:53,581 --> 00:58:54,507
being on top of you, so as lon

2239
00:58:54,507 --> 00:58:54,507
g

2240
00:58:54,507 --> 00:58:55,881
as you're on top of your email

2241
00:58:55,881 --> 00:58:55,881
,

2242
00:58:55,881 --> 00:58:57,089
you should in theory be able

2243
00:58:57,089 --> 00:58:57,089
to.

2244
00:58:57,089 --> 00:58:59,183
>> okay, yeah, that's great.

2245
00:58:59,183 --> 00:59:00,425
so that's the one you have to

2246
00:59:00,425 --> 00:59:00,425
do.

2247
00:59:00,425 --> 00:59:03,487
there's two or disclosures jus

2248
00:59:03,487 --> 00:59:03,487
t

2249
00:59:03,487 --> 00:59:04,455
to keep in miewnd you only hav

2250
00:59:04,455 --> 00:59:04,455
e

2251
00:59:04,455 --> 00:59:06,854
to do if that situation arises

2252
00:59:06,854 --> 00:59:06,854


2253
00:59:06,854 --> 00:59:07,627
for you.

2254
00:59:07,627 --> 00:59:09,253
one is the quarterly client

2255
00:59:09,253 --> 00:59:12,673
disclosure and, and you just

2256
00:59:12,673 --> 00:59:15,613
file that if you or your partn

2257
00:59:15,613 --> 00:59:15,613
er

2258
00:59:15,613 --> 00:59:16,205
or associate of your firm

2259
00:59:16,205 --> 00:59:16,839
represents a client for

2260
00:59:16,839 --> 00:59:19,575
compensation before the city.

2261
00:59:19,575 --> 00:59:21,345
so if that ever happens, in tha

2262
00:59:21,345 --> 00:59:21,345
t

2263
00:59:21,345 --> 00:59:22,635
case, you would need to fill o

2264
00:59:22,635 --> 00:59:22,635
ut

2265
00:59:22,635 --> 00:59:24,681
the disclosure, and provide it

2266
00:59:24,681 --> 00:59:24,681


2267
00:59:24,681 --> 00:59:25,309
to the state.

2268
00:59:25,309 --> 00:59:28,713
so that's just as needed.

2269
00:59:28,713 --> 00:59:32,885
>> like in general or someone

2270
00:59:32,885 --> 00:59:35,693
who comes before this board an

2271
00:59:35,693 --> 00:59:35,693
d

2272
00:59:35,693 --> 00:59:35,901
is represented?

2273
00:59:35,901 --> 00:59:36,651
>> it's generally the best

2274
00:59:36,651 --> 00:59:37,047
practices in general.

2275
00:59:37,047 --> 00:59:37,732
so if you work for like an

2276
00:59:37,732 --> 00:59:41,689
engineering firm that comes

2277
00:59:41,689 --> 00:59:44,525
before the city often asking f

2278
00:59:44,525 --> 00:59:44,525
or

2279
00:59:44,525 --> 00:59:45,391
different development approvals

2280
00:59:45,391 --> 00:59:45,391


2281
00:59:45,391 --> 00:59:47,603
or whatnot, whether it's this

2282
00:59:47,603 --> 00:59:49,806
board or the city commission,

2283
00:59:49,806 --> 00:59:51,479
you should disclose that to th

2284
00:59:51,479 --> 00:59:51,479
e

2285
00:59:51,479 --> 00:59:51,479
state.

2286
00:59:51,479 --> 00:59:55,839
so yeah I think engineers,

2287
00:59:55,839 --> 00:59:58,465
planners maybe, those are the

2288
00:59:58,465 --> 01:00:02,365
ones who might run into it the

2289
01:00:02,365 --> 01:00:02,365


2290
01:00:02,365 --> 01:00:03,311
most frequently.

2291
01:00:03,311 --> 01:00:04,733
law firms, you know, stuff lik

2292
01:00:04,733 --> 01:00:04,733
e

2293
01:00:04,733 --> 01:00:04,733
that.

2294
01:00:04,733 --> 01:00:10,063
so yeah, just remember if you o

2295
01:00:10,063 --> 01:00:10,063
r

2296
01:00:10,063 --> 01:00:11,823
anybody who works for your

2297
01:00:11,823 --> 01:00:13,595
company comes before the city,

2298
01:00:13,595 --> 01:00:13,595


2299
01:00:13,595 --> 01:00:14,555
you just want to disclose that

2300
01:00:14,555 --> 01:00:14,555


2301
01:00:14,555 --> 01:00:16,431
so it doesn't look like a

2302
01:00:16,431 --> 01:00:16,431
conflict.

2303
01:00:16,431 --> 01:00:18,431
>> does that include like gru

2304
01:00:18,431 --> 01:00:19,163
related items?

2305
01:00:19,163 --> 01:00:20,307
because like I work for an

2306
01:00:20,307 --> 01:00:21,213
engineering firm and we don't

2307
01:00:21,213 --> 01:00:22,265
really do much work for the

2308
01:00:22,265 --> 01:00:28,213
city, but but   we do a lott

2309
01:00:28,213 --> 01:00:28,737
a lot

2310
01:00:28,737 --> 01:00:29,405
of gru projects.

2311
01:00:29,405 --> 01:00:30,515
is that something that needs t

2312
01:00:30,515 --> 01:00:30,515
o

2313
01:00:30,515 --> 01:00:31,255
be disclosed?

2314
01:00:31,255 --> 01:00:32,909
is that requiring any elected

2315
01:00:32,909 --> 01:00:34,911
official approvals, it's at lik

2316
01:00:34,911 --> 01:00:34,911
e

2317
01:00:34,911 --> 01:00:35,681
staff level.

2318
01:00:35,681 --> 01:00:36,985
>> gru is not the city anymore.

2319
01:00:36,985 --> 01:00:36,985


2320
01:00:36,985 --> 01:00:37,565
>> well, yeah.

2321
01:00:37,565 --> 01:00:39,131
>> well, technically they are.

2322
01:00:39,131 --> 01:00:39,131


2323
01:00:39,131 --> 01:00:39,131
[laughter]

2324
01:00:39,131 --> 01:00:41,239
>> yeah.

2325
01:00:41,239 --> 01:00:42,003
>> um.

2326
01:00:42,003 --> 01:00:43,231
>> so that's a little in the

2327
01:00:43,231 --> 01:00:43,231
weeds.

2328
01:00:43,231 --> 01:00:44,492
I could ask you after.

2329
01:00:44,492 --> 01:00:46,331
>> yeah, you can ask me after,

2330
01:00:46,331 --> 01:00:46,331


2331
01:00:46,331 --> 01:00:50,361
and so I should preface this a

2332
01:00:50,361 --> 01:00:50,361
ll

2333
01:00:50,361 --> 01:00:52,353
by saying as opposed to most of

2334
01:00:52,353 --> 01:00:52,353


2335
01:00:52,353 --> 01:00:53,131
the other laws that are

2336
01:00:53,131 --> 01:00:56,567
board where

2337
01:00:56,567 --> 01:00:57,569
office and thecity would get

2338
01:00:57,569 --> 01:01:00,739
involved with more hands on,

2339
01:01:00,739 --> 01:01:02,607
ethics rules of ethics are all

2340
01:01:02,607 --> 01:01:02,607


2341
01:01:02,607 --> 01:01:05,013
state level personal

2342
01:01:05,013 --> 01:01:06,579
responsibilities for the board

2343
01:01:06,579 --> 01:01:06,579


2344
01:01:06,579 --> 01:01:09,073
members, and so staff can kind

2345
01:01:09,073 --> 01:01:09,073


2346
01:01:09,073 --> 01:01:10,851
of help point you out what we

2347
01:01:10,851 --> 01:01:12,295
think you might want to look

2348
01:01:12,295 --> 01:01:14,691
for, but it's an area of the l

2349
01:01:14,691 --> 01:01:14,691
aw

2350
01:01:14,691 --> 01:01:16,243
that you really on your own with

2351
01:01:16,243 --> 01:01:16,243


2352
01:01:16,243 --> 01:01:17,627
so to speak, so I don't want t

2353
01:01:17,627 --> 01:01:17,627
o,

2354
01:01:17,627 --> 01:01:20,107
you know, again we're happy to

2355
01:01:20,107 --> 01:01:20,107


2356
01:01:20,107 --> 01:01:22,131
help you out informally, but you

2357
01:01:22,131 --> 01:01:22,131


2358
01:01:22,131 --> 01:01:23,327
really want to contact the

2359
01:01:23,327 --> 01:01:24,959
florida commission on ethics,

2360
01:01:24,959 --> 01:01:26,729
and they have a hotline number

2361
01:01:26,729 --> 01:01:26,729


2362
01:01:26,729 --> 01:01:28,259
that they're really receptive

2363
01:01:28,259 --> 01:01:28,259
to.

2364
01:01:28,259 --> 01:01:30,039
they'll respond to you right

2365
01:01:30,039 --> 01:01:30,039
away.

2366
01:01:30,039 --> 01:01:33,247
that you can call them about a

2367
01:01:33,247 --> 01:01:33,247
ny

2368
01:01:33,247 --> 01:01:34,007
ethics questions like that.

2369
01:01:34,007 --> 01:01:35,613
so that would be a perfect tim

2370
01:01:35,613 --> 01:01:35,613
e

2371
01:01:35,613 --> 01:01:37,441
to do that is if you have a

2372
01:01:37,441 --> 01:01:38,117
question like how does this

2373
01:01:38,117 --> 01:01:38,117
work.

2374
01:01:38,117 --> 01:01:41,283
and they will      they'll giv

2375
01:01:41,283 --> 01:01:41,425
e you

2376
01:01:41,425 --> 01:01:41,425
direction.

2377
01:01:41,425 --> 01:01:45,219
you know, so I want to caveat

2378
01:01:45,219 --> 01:01:47,523
that even if I gave you an

2379
01:01:47,523 --> 01:01:48,385
opinion about your particular

2380
01:01:48,385 --> 01:01:49,961
instance you're mention, I wou

2381
01:01:49,961 --> 01:01:49,961
ld

2382
01:01:49,961 --> 01:01:50,669
still --

2383
01:01:50,669 --> 01:01:51,635
>> it's my responsibility to --

2384
01:01:51,635 --> 01:01:51,635


2385
01:01:51,635 --> 01:01:52,961
>> I would still encourage you

2386
01:01:52,961 --> 01:01:52,961


2387
01:01:52,961 --> 01:01:55,537
to call the commission on ethic

2388
01:01:55,537 --> 01:01:55,537
s

2389
01:01:55,537 --> 01:01:57,033
and they can tell you exactly

2390
01:01:57,033 --> 01:01:57,935
how to handle that.

2391
01:01:57,935 --> 01:01:59,411
but yes, so that would be for

2392
01:01:59,411 --> 01:02:00,135
that quarterly client

2393
01:02:00,135 --> 01:02:00,135
disclosure.

2394
01:02:00,135 --> 01:02:04,215
and the last disclosure would b

2395
01:02:04,215 --> 01:02:04,215
e

2396
01:02:04,215 --> 01:02:06,263
the quarterly gift disclosure

2397
01:02:06,263 --> 01:02:08,373
and it's quarterly meaning if

2398
01:02:08,373 --> 01:02:10,385
this ever applies to you you

2399
01:02:10,385 --> 01:02:12,279
just got to make sure you do I

2400
01:02:12,279 --> 01:02:12,279
t

2401
01:02:12,279 --> 01:02:12,279
quarterly.

2402
01:02:12,279 --> 01:02:16,481
and what this is is you file I

2403
01:02:16,481 --> 01:02:16,481
t

2404
01:02:16,481 --> 01:02:18,386
only if you received a gift

2405
01:02:18,386 --> 01:02:23,365
worth more than $100 from anyon

2406
01:02:23,365 --> 01:02:23,365
e

2407
01:02:23,365 --> 01:02:25,389
that are not relatives as

2408
01:02:25,389 --> 01:02:27,829
defined pursuant to a particula

2409
01:02:27,829 --> 01:02:27,829
r

2410
01:02:27,829 --> 01:02:29,593
statute, or gifts that are

2411
01:02:29,593 --> 01:02:31,439
associated primarily with your

2412
01:02:31,439 --> 01:02:31,439


2413
01:02:31,439 --> 01:02:31,439
employment.

2414
01:02:31,439 --> 01:02:37,143
so in other words a gift above

2415
01:02:37,143 --> 01:02:37,143


2416
01:02:37,143 --> 01:02:38,369
$100 from anybody except your

2417
01:02:38,369 --> 01:02:40,933
rel tbz or    atives or your

2418
01:02:40,933 --> 01:02:42,057
employer you're supposed to

2419
01:02:42,057 --> 01:02:46,305
disclose it to the state.

2420
01:02:46,305 --> 01:02:49,617
I think it's all about optics s

2421
01:02:49,617 --> 01:02:49,617
o

2422
01:02:49,617 --> 01:02:51,353
it doesn't look like you're

2423
01:02:51,353 --> 01:02:52,393
being influenced to sway your

2424
01:02:52,393 --> 01:02:54,891
vote on any particular matter.

2425
01:02:54,891 --> 01:02:54,891


2426
01:02:54,891 --> 01:02:57,757
so out of an abundance of

2427
01:02:57,757 --> 01:02:59,191
transparency, they require tha

2428
01:02:59,191 --> 01:02:59,191
t

2429
01:02:59,191 --> 01:02:59,191
quarterly.

2430
01:02:59,191 --> 01:03:01,007
so those are thethree

2431
01:03:01,007 --> 01:03:03,257
disclosures to keep in mind.

2432
01:03:03,257 --> 01:03:05,899
there's behavioral kind of

2433
01:03:05,899 --> 01:03:08,631
ethics floors that, and it's a

2434
01:03:08,631 --> 01:03:08,631
ll

2435
01:03:08,631 --> 01:03:09,639
in the presentation, so the

2436
01:03:09,639 --> 01:03:10,735
presentation goes deeper, and

2437
01:03:10,735 --> 01:03:11,947
then feel free to reach out to

2438
01:03:11,947 --> 01:03:11,947


2439
01:03:11,947 --> 01:03:12,901
me if you have any questions,

2440
01:03:12,901 --> 01:03:14,149
but we don't need to go through

2441
01:03:14,149 --> 01:03:14,149


2442
01:03:14,149 --> 01:03:16,140
the -- it's pretty common sense

2443
01:03:16,140 --> 01:03:16,140


2444
01:03:16,140 --> 01:03:19,279
the behavioral, mandates that

2445
01:03:19,279 --> 01:03:21,614
the ethics law dictates.

2446
01:03:21,614 --> 01:03:23,441
it's just like a floor of being

2447
01:03:23,441 --> 01:03:23,441


2448
01:03:23,441 --> 01:03:29,417
a decent person type thing.

2449
01:03:29,417 --> 01:03:30,277
the other big -- the last

2450
01:03:30,277 --> 01:03:31,337
important thing to know about

2451
01:03:31,337 --> 01:03:34,799
the ethics law, our    are vot

2452
01:03:34,799 --> 01:03:34,799
ing

2453
01:03:34,799 --> 01:03:34,799
conflicts.

2454
01:03:34,799 --> 01:03:38,871
how voting conflicts work.

2455
01:03:38,871 --> 01:03:41,167
for those keep in mind that if

2456
01:03:41,167 --> 01:03:41,167


2457
01:03:41,167 --> 01:03:42,365
any matter comes before your

2458
01:03:42,365 --> 01:03:48,541
board, or you let me get the

2459
01:03:48,541 --> 01:03:49,635
class of people here right.

2460
01:03:49,635 --> 01:03:52,413
it's you, a relative, I'll read

2461
01:03:52,413 --> 01:03:52,413


2462
01:03:52,413 --> 01:03:53,467
you what the definition of

2463
01:03:53,467 --> 01:03:55,848
relative is in a second, but I

2464
01:03:55,848 --> 01:03:55,848
f

2465
01:03:55,848 --> 01:03:57,447
you, a relative, a business

2466
01:03:57,447 --> 01:04:01,221
associate, or a principal by

2467
01:04:01,221 --> 01:04:03,291
whom you're retained could

2468
01:04:03,291 --> 01:04:04,419
potentially have a special

2469
01:04:04,419 --> 01:04:06,357
private gain or loss as a resul

2470
01:04:06,357 --> 01:04:06,357
t

2471
01:04:06,357 --> 01:04:08,565
of the decision, then you have

2472
01:04:08,565 --> 01:04:08,697
a

2473
01:04:08,697 --> 01:04:09,897
voting conflict, and you can't

2474
01:04:09,897 --> 01:04:09,897


2475
01:04:09,897 --> 01:04:12,331
vote on that matter.

2476
01:04:12,331 --> 01:04:14,249
so I'll just say that again is

2477
01:04:14,249 --> 01:04:14,249


2478
01:04:14,249 --> 01:04:15,145
like any matter that comes

2479
01:04:15,145 --> 01:04:16,443
before this board, keep in min

2480
01:04:16,443 --> 01:04:16,443
d

2481
01:04:16,443 --> 01:04:18,605
especially for engineers and

2482
01:04:18,605 --> 01:04:21,015
folks who kind of work, you

2483
01:04:21,015 --> 01:04:22,095
know, in areas that come before

2484
01:04:22,095 --> 01:04:22,095


2485
01:04:22,095 --> 01:04:24,918
the city fairly often.

2486
01:04:24,918 --> 01:04:26,213
if a matter is coming before

2487
01:04:26,213 --> 01:04:27,779
your board where there could be

2488
01:04:27,779 --> 01:04:27,779


2489
01:04:27,779 --> 01:04:30,149
a special private gain or a los

2490
01:04:30,149 --> 01:04:30,149
s

2491
01:04:30,149 --> 01:04:32,549
to yourself, a relative, a

2492
01:04:32,549 --> 01:04:36,389
business associate, or the   t

2493
01:04:36,389 --> 01:04:36,389
he

2494
01:04:36,389 --> 01:04:38,359
principal by whom you're

2495
01:04:38,359 --> 01:04:40,355
retained, you have to declare a

2496
01:04:40,355 --> 01:04:40,355


2497
01:04:40,355 --> 01:04:41,703
conflict and abstain from voting

2498
01:04:41,703 --> 01:04:41,703


2499
01:04:41,703 --> 01:04:42,607
on that matter but you can sti

2500
01:04:42,607 --> 01:04:42,607
ll

2501
01:04:42,607 --> 01:04:43,229
dus the matter.

2502
01:04:43,229 --> 01:04:45,737
so -- discuss the matter.

2503
01:04:45,737 --> 01:04:46,761
so you can still discuss the

2504
01:04:46,761 --> 01:04:47,843
matter and offer your

2505
01:04:47,843 --> 01:04:48,829
professional opinions or

2506
01:04:48,829 --> 01:04:49,603
whatever, but you just can't

2507
01:04:49,603 --> 01:04:49,603
vote.

2508
01:04:49,603 --> 01:04:50,843
and the relatives that are

2509
01:04:50,843 --> 01:04:53,809
included in that are father,

2510
01:04:53,809 --> 01:04:56,309
mother, son, daughter, husband

2511
01:04:56,309 --> 01:04:56,309
,

2512
01:04:56,309 --> 01:04:58,875
wife, brother, sister,

2513
01:04:58,875 --> 01:05:00,611
father-in-law, mother-in-law,

2514
01:05:00,611 --> 01:05:02,779
son-in-law, or daughter-in-law

2515
01:05:02,779 --> 01:05:02,779
.

2516
01:05:02,779 --> 01:05:02,779
so.

2517
01:05:02,779 --> 01:05:05,649
>> no mysteries.

2518
01:05:05,649 --> 01:05:09,767
>> and no cousins, you know, t

2519
01:05:09,767 --> 01:05:09,767
he

2520
01:05:09,767 --> 01:05:11,053
family circle is relatively

2521
01:05:11,053 --> 01:05:13,991
tight there.

2522
01:05:13,991 --> 01:05:16,225
so, and again it's this is all

2523
01:05:16,225 --> 01:05:16,225


2524
01:05:16,225 --> 01:05:17,861
in your materials and if you

2525
01:05:17,861 --> 01:05:20,213
have ever have a question, sta

2526
01:05:20,213 --> 01:05:20,213
ff

2527
01:05:20,213 --> 01:05:21,371
can help you through it, but

2528
01:05:21,371 --> 01:05:24,005
just remember that for keep it

2529
01:05:24,005 --> 01:05:24,005


2530
01:05:24,005 --> 01:05:28,046
in mind voting conflicts.

2531
01:05:28,046 --> 01:05:29,939
those are the big state laws.

2532
01:05:29,939 --> 01:05:32,083
the -- the remainder of what

2533
01:05:32,083 --> 01:05:34,241
I'll just touch on are just som

2534
01:05:34,241 --> 01:05:34,241
e

2535
01:05:34,241 --> 01:05:37,779
specifics to like could help

2536
01:05:37,779 --> 01:05:40,845
govern h this board does its

2537
01:05:40,845 --> 01:05:40,845
business

2538
01:05:40,845 --> 01:05:45,599
and one of those is I think a

2539
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:48,765
majority of what this board doe

2540
01:05:48,765 --> 01:05:48,765
s

2541
01:05:48,765 --> 01:05:49,631
is hold quasi-judicial

2542
01:05:49,631 --> 01:05:49,631
hearings.

2543
01:05:49,631 --> 01:05:52,399
as opposed to legislative

2544
01:05:52,399 --> 01:05:56,699
matters, legislative matters a

2545
01:05:56,699 --> 01:05:56,699
re

2546
01:05:56,699 --> 01:05:58,235
like what you just did about

2547
01:05:58,235 --> 01:06:00,635
weighing in on new statutory

2548
01:06:00,635 --> 01:06:00,635
requirements.

2549
01:06:00,635 --> 01:06:03,507
it, it's where you can exercis

2550
01:06:03,507 --> 01:06:03,507
e

2551
01:06:03,507 --> 01:06:04,807
the full breadth of your

2552
01:06:04,807 --> 01:06:04,807
discretion.

2553
01:06:04,807 --> 01:06:08,211
whether you like something or

2554
01:06:08,211 --> 01:06:10,917
not, your opinion, whatever yo

2555
01:06:10,917 --> 01:06:10,917
u

2556
01:06:10,917 --> 01:06:13,249
want to bring to the table, you

2557
01:06:13,249 --> 01:06:13,249


2558
01:06:13,249 --> 01:06:15,259
can for a legislative matter.

2559
01:06:15,259 --> 01:06:16,553
a quasi-judicial matter,

2560
01:06:16,553 --> 01:06:19,635
however, your discretion is

2561
01:06:19,635 --> 01:06:19,635
constrained.

2562
01:06:19,635 --> 01:06:24,227
because what it is is

2563
01:06:24,227 --> 01:06:25,287
quasi-judicial means it's kind

2564
01:06:25,287 --> 01:06:25,287


2565
01:06:25,287 --> 01:06:26,563
of like a court hearing, where

2566
01:06:26,563 --> 01:06:26,563


2567
01:06:26,563 --> 01:06:27,967
you're adjudicating rights.

2568
01:06:27,967 --> 01:06:29,219
you're adjudicating the

2569
01:06:29,219 --> 01:06:32,585
property, or personal rights o

2570
01:06:32,585 --> 01:06:32,585
f

2571
01:06:32,585 --> 01:06:35,438
a person or legal entity.

2572
01:06:35,438 --> 01:06:36,621
so because of that there are a

2573
01:06:36,621 --> 01:06:36,621
ll

2574
01:06:36,621 --> 01:06:37,777
these common law restrictions

2575
01:06:37,777 --> 01:06:39,769
that get imposed that dictate

2576
01:06:39,769 --> 01:06:42,382
how you have to do that.

2577
01:06:42,382 --> 01:06:43,319
and the three things you want t

2578
01:06:43,319 --> 01:06:43,319
o

2579
01:06:43,319 --> 01:06:44,241
keep in mind when you are

2580
01:06:44,241 --> 01:06:46,247
holding quasi-judicial hearing

2581
01:06:46,247 --> 01:06:46,247
s

2582
01:06:46,247 --> 01:06:49,725
is that due process has to be

2583
01:06:49,725 --> 01:06:51,495
afforded to all affected

2584
01:06:51,495 --> 01:06:51,495
parties.

2585
01:06:51,495 --> 01:06:54,929
staff really kind of takes the

2586
01:06:54,929 --> 01:06:54,929


2587
01:06:54,929 --> 01:06:57,091
lead on that, so that just

2588
01:06:57,091 --> 01:06:59,367
involves giving proper notice

2589
01:06:59,367 --> 01:07:00,597
and defining who are truly

2590
01:07:00,597 --> 01:07:02,163
affected parties as opposed to

2591
01:07:02,163 --> 01:07:02,163


2592
01:07:02,163 --> 01:07:05,293
just general residents of the

2593
01:07:05,293 --> 01:07:05,293
city.

2594
01:07:05,293 --> 01:07:09,594
and it's those affected parties

2595
01:07:09,594 --> 01:07:09,594


2596
01:07:09,594 --> 01:07:11,031
who get a heightened level of

2597
01:07:11,031 --> 01:07:12,475
due process that again staff

2598
01:07:12,475 --> 01:07:13,627
will kind of take the lead on

2599
01:07:13,627 --> 01:07:13,627
that.

2600
01:07:13,627 --> 01:07:17,279
the second two are more

2601
01:07:17,279 --> 01:07:18,549
pertinent to you personally, a

2602
01:07:18,549 --> 01:07:18,549
nd

2603
01:07:18,549 --> 01:07:19,563
that's when you're at the

2604
01:07:19,563 --> 01:07:22,063
hearing, what you're really

2605
01:07:22,063 --> 01:07:24,353
doing is you're accepting what'

2606
01:07:24,353 --> 01:07:24,353
s

2607
01:07:24,353 --> 01:07:25,991
called competent substantial

2608
01:07:25,991 --> 01:07:27,957
evidence, so you're like a

2609
01:07:27,957 --> 01:07:29,015
courtroom listening and

2610
01:07:29,015 --> 01:07:31,395
receiving a bunch of evidence.

2611
01:07:31,395 --> 01:07:31,395


2612
01:07:31,395 --> 01:07:32,929
whether it's coming from city

2613
01:07:32,929 --> 01:07:36,003
staff or the property owners o

2614
01:07:36,003 --> 01:07:36,003
r

2615
01:07:36,003 --> 01:07:37,273
anybody else including members

2616
01:07:37,273 --> 01:07:37,273


2617
01:07:37,273 --> 01:07:40,203
of the public who offer

2618
01:07:40,203 --> 01:07:40,203
evidence.

2619
01:07:40,203 --> 01:07:42,273
and evidence is a heightened

2620
01:07:42,273 --> 01:07:42,273
threshold.

2621
01:07:42,273 --> 01:07:45,615
it's notsgist an        not jus

2622
01:07:45,615 --> 01:07:45,705
t an

2623
01:07:45,705 --> 01:07:45,705
opinion.

2624
01:07:45,705 --> 01:07:46,985
it's not just I think this

2625
01:07:46,985 --> 01:07:48,397
development's going to cause a

2626
01:07:48,397 --> 01:07:48,397


2627
01:07:48,397 --> 01:07:49,413
bunch of bad traffic.

2628
01:07:49,413 --> 01:07:51,217
that's just an opinion.

2629
01:07:51,217 --> 01:07:53,279
as opposed to if somebody comes

2630
01:07:53,279 --> 01:07:53,279


2631
01:07:53,279 --> 01:07:55,453
up and is says I'm a traffic

2632
01:07:55,453 --> 01:07:57,015
engineer with such-and-such

2633
01:07:57,015 --> 01:07:58,549
years of experience, and based

2634
01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:58,549


2635
01:07:58,549 --> 01:08:00,189
on this objective data and my

2636
01:08:00,189 --> 01:08:03,433
analysis, this is going to, you

2637
01:08:03,433 --> 01:08:03,433


2638
01:08:03,433 --> 01:08:04,261
know, and then their opinion I

2639
01:08:04,261 --> 01:08:04,261
s

2640
01:08:04,261 --> 01:08:06,637
based in fact and evidence in

2641
01:08:06,637 --> 01:08:07,049
that way.

2642
01:08:07,049 --> 01:08:08,097
that could be competent

2643
01:08:08,097 --> 01:08:09,677
substantial evidence that the

2644
01:08:09,677 --> 01:08:11,735
board takes into account.

2645
01:08:11,735 --> 01:08:13,631
so again, you're collecting thi

2646
01:08:13,631 --> 01:08:13,631
s

2647
01:08:13,631 --> 01:08:15,263
competent substantial evidence

2648
01:08:15,263 --> 01:08:15,263


2649
01:08:15,263 --> 01:08:17,539
from all affected parties,

2650
01:08:17,539 --> 01:08:19,643
andial all members of the publi

2651
01:08:19,643 --> 01:08:19,643
c

2652
01:08:19,643 --> 01:08:21,275
who speak, if it truly is

2653
01:08:21,275 --> 01:08:22,535
evident, you're collecting that

2654
01:08:22,535 --> 01:08:22,535


2655
01:08:22,535 --> 01:08:23,377
evidence and then you're

2656
01:08:23,377 --> 01:08:29,224
applying it to the correct law

2657
01:08:29,224 --> 01:08:29,224


2658
01:08:29,224 --> 01:08:30,131
that is applicable in that

2659
01:08:30,131 --> 01:08:30,131
case.

2660
01:08:30,131 --> 01:08:32,655
what that means is the specifi

2661
01:08:32,655 --> 01:08:32,655
c

2662
01:08:32,655 --> 01:08:35,257
criteria that governs your

2663
01:08:35,257 --> 01:08:36,529
particular decision for that

2664
01:08:36,529 --> 01:08:36,529
hearing.

2665
01:08:36,529 --> 01:08:39,329
so for instance, for this last

2666
01:08:39,329 --> 01:08:39,329


2667
01:08:39,329 --> 01:08:42,333
one with the sign height

2668
01:08:42,333 --> 01:08:45,800
extension, the land development

2669
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:45,800


2670
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,337
code lays out like six or seven

2671
01:08:48,337 --> 01:08:48,337


2672
01:08:48,337 --> 01:08:49,447
criteria that's in the code for

2673
01:08:49,447 --> 01:08:49,447


2674
01:08:49,447 --> 01:08:51,207
how this board is to make that

2675
01:08:51,207 --> 01:08:51,207


2676
01:08:51,207 --> 01:08:51,207
decision.

2677
01:08:51,207 --> 01:08:53,839
and allison for, you know,

2678
01:08:53,839 --> 01:08:55,213
presented those in her

2679
01:08:55,213 --> 01:08:55,213
presentation.

2680
01:08:55,213 --> 01:08:58,857
so those are the criteria you

2681
01:08:58,857 --> 01:09:00,019
want to stick to.

2682
01:09:00,019 --> 01:09:03,411
what you'll find is in most all

2683
01:09:03,411 --> 01:09:03,411


2684
01:09:03,411 --> 01:09:04,423
of the quasi-judicial -- I wou

2685
01:09:04,423 --> 01:09:04,423
ld

2686
01:09:04,423 --> 01:09:06,957
say all of the quasi-judicial

2687
01:09:06,957 --> 01:09:09,596
hearings that this board holds

2688
01:09:09,596 --> 01:09:09,596
,

2689
01:09:09,596 --> 01:09:12,097
the criteria never includes jus

2690
01:09:12,097 --> 01:09:12,097
t

2691
01:09:12,097 --> 01:09:14,495
do you like this project.

2692
01:09:14,495 --> 01:09:15,961
does it look cool to you or

2693
01:09:15,961 --> 01:09:17,077
does -- you know, do you think

2694
01:09:17,077 --> 01:09:17,077


2695
01:09:17,077 --> 01:09:18,267
it's a good thing or a bad thi

2696
01:09:18,267 --> 01:09:18,267
ng

2697
01:09:18,267 --> 01:09:19,469
for the city?

2698
01:09:19,469 --> 01:09:20,975
the city's going in a good or

2699
01:09:20,975 --> 01:09:23,177
bad direction or you know where

2700
01:09:23,177 --> 01:09:23,177


2701
01:09:23,177 --> 01:09:24,569
like housing this is pro-housing

2702
01:09:24,569 --> 01:09:24,569


2703
01:09:24,569 --> 01:09:28,151
this is an   anti-housing.

2704
01:09:28,151 --> 01:09:30,875
it's none of that stuff.

2705
01:09:30,875 --> 01:09:33,033
it's just are these criteria m

2706
01:09:33,033 --> 01:09:33,033
et

2707
01:09:33,033 --> 01:09:33,525
or not.

2708
01:09:33,525 --> 01:09:34,677
so you know all the

2709
01:09:34,677 --> 01:09:35,671
policymaking, all those fun

2710
01:09:35,671 --> 01:09:36,817
questions so to speak, are

2711
01:09:36,817 --> 01:09:38,259
handled at the policy level, t

2712
01:09:38,259 --> 01:09:38,259
he

2713
01:09:38,259 --> 01:09:39,721
legislative level, I

2714
01:09:39,721 --> 01:09:39,721
mentioned,.

2715
01:09:39,721 --> 01:09:44,341
quasi-judicial, all that's

2716
01:09:44,341 --> 01:09:46,395
already been established.

2717
01:09:46,395 --> 01:09:48,159
you're just applying it now.

2718
01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:51,801
so that's how    how the major

2719
01:09:51,801 --> 01:09:51,969
ity I

2720
01:09:51,969 --> 01:09:52,575
think of your decisions as a

2721
01:09:52,575 --> 01:09:53,809
beard operate is in that

2722
01:09:53,809 --> 01:09:54,905
quasi--- board operate is in

2723
01:09:54,905 --> 01:09:56,135
that quasi-judicial realm and

2724
01:09:56,135 --> 01:09:57,437
this board does a great job.

2725
01:09:57,437 --> 01:10:00,713
I've never compared to a lot o

2726
01:10:00,713 --> 01:10:00,713
f

2727
01:10:00,713 --> 01:10:01,847
cities where city attorneys are

2728
01:10:01,847 --> 01:10:01,847


2729
01:10:01,847 --> 01:10:02,949
busy because boards kind of go

2730
01:10:02,949 --> 01:10:02,949


2731
01:10:02,949 --> 01:10:02,949
rogue.

2732
01:10:02,949 --> 01:10:08,750
like you guys do a good job

2733
01:10:08,750 --> 01:10:13,525
so, so the, that's a

2734
01:10:13,525 --> 01:10:15,161
quasi-judicial hearing -- just

2735
01:10:15,161 --> 01:10:15,161


2736
01:10:15,161 --> 01:10:16,375
points about quasi-judicial

2737
01:10:16,375 --> 01:10:20,065
hearings to keep in mind.

2738
01:10:20,065 --> 01:10:21,633
is if the interest of that fir

2739
01:10:21,633 --> 01:10:21,633
st

2740
01:10:21,633 --> 01:10:23,869
one I mentioned due process, y

2741
01:10:23,869 --> 01:10:23,869
ou

2742
01:10:23,869 --> 01:10:26,273
do want to avoid ex parte

2743
01:10:26,273 --> 01:10:28,169
contacts they're called, and s

2744
01:10:28,169 --> 01:10:28,169
o

2745
01:10:28,169 --> 01:10:31,444
nat    that just means best way

2746
01:10:31,444 --> 01:10:31,675
to

2747
01:10:31,675 --> 01:10:33,181
apply it I think the easiest w

2748
01:10:33,181 --> 01:10:33,181
ay

2749
01:10:33,181 --> 01:10:36,537
is just do not talk to anybody

2750
01:10:36,537 --> 01:10:36,537


2751
01:10:36,537 --> 01:10:39,147
about that matter outside of t

2752
01:10:39,147 --> 01:10:39,147
he

2753
01:10:39,147 --> 01:10:40,349
public hearing.

2754
01:10:40,349 --> 01:10:42,819
anybody's a little too much

2755
01:10:42,819 --> 01:10:45,557
because you can talk to, you

2756
01:10:45,557 --> 01:10:47,523
know, your spouse or your best

2757
01:10:47,523 --> 01:10:47,523


2758
01:10:47,523 --> 01:10:49,853
friend, who has nothing to do

2759
01:10:49,853 --> 01:10:50,625
with it.

2760
01:10:50,625 --> 01:10:52,871
technically only that ex

2761
01:10:52,871 --> 01:10:55,469
prohibition only applies to

2762
01:10:55,469 --> 01:10:57,395
parties, affected parties in t

2763
01:10:57,395 --> 01:10:57,395
he

2764
01:10:57,395 --> 01:10:57,395
case.

2765
01:10:57,395 --> 01:10:59,435
but because unlike courtroom

2766
01:10:59,435 --> 01:11:00,443
where you might be dealing wit

2767
01:11:00,443 --> 01:11:00,443
h

2768
01:11:00,443 --> 01:11:02,105
two litigants, the affected

2769
01:11:02,105 --> 01:11:04,073
parties for a matter that's

2770
01:11:04,073 --> 01:11:05,613
comes before this board could b

2771
01:11:05,613 --> 01:11:05,613
e

2772
01:11:05,613 --> 01:11:07,785
hundreds of people, so rather

2773
01:11:07,785 --> 01:11:10,679
than discerning, you know, if

2774
01:11:10,679 --> 01:11:12,221
you see somebody at publix

2775
01:11:12,221 --> 01:11:14,089
whether you're an affected par

2776
01:11:14,089 --> 01:11:14,089
ty

2777
01:11:14,089 --> 01:11:15,853
or not it's just easier to not

2778
01:11:15,853 --> 01:11:15,853


2779
01:11:15,853 --> 01:11:17,585
talk about stuff, you know,

2780
01:11:17,585 --> 01:11:18,419
unless you're certain they have

2781
01:11:18,419 --> 01:11:18,419


2782
01:11:18,419 --> 01:11:21,425
nothing to do with the issue.

2783
01:11:21,425 --> 01:11:22,683
so yes, so that's where you want

2784
01:11:22,683 --> 01:11:22,683


2785
01:11:22,683 --> 01:11:25,527
to avoid any, any contact.

2786
01:11:25,527 --> 01:11:28,010
so that includes e-mails, you

2787
01:11:28,010 --> 01:11:29,165
know, people might email you

2788
01:11:29,165 --> 01:11:31,500
because of your role but don't

2789
01:11:31,500 --> 01:11:31,500
,

2790
01:11:31,500 --> 01:11:34,675
don't reply.

2791
01:11:34,675 --> 01:11:35,907
and just avoid communications

2792
01:11:35,907 --> 01:11:37,145
and leave it all for the publi

2793
01:11:37,145 --> 01:11:37,145
c

2794
01:11:37,145 --> 01:11:37,145
hearing.

2795
01:11:37,145 --> 01:11:41,515
that's an interest in due

2796
01:11:41,515 --> 01:11:41,515
process.

2797
01:11:41,515 --> 01:11:41,515
so.

2798
01:11:41,515 --> 01:11:44,813
>> I was just going to say, it

2799
01:11:44,813 --> 01:11:44,813


2800
01:11:44,813 --> 01:11:47,449
doesn't happen at often now, b

2801
01:11:47,449 --> 01:11:47,449
ut

2802
01:11:47,449 --> 01:11:49,417
in the past when we had very

2803
01:11:49,417 --> 01:11:50,865
controversial ims it it would

2804
01:11:50,865 --> 01:11:52,383
not be uncommon for us to get

2805
01:11:52,383 --> 01:11:55,289
e-mails to our personal email

2806
01:11:55,289 --> 01:11:55,289
accounts.

2807
01:11:55,289 --> 01:12:00,393
just make sure you send them t

2808
01:12:00,393 --> 01:12:00,393
o

2809
01:12:00,393 --> 01:12:00,393
britney.

2810
01:12:00,393 --> 01:12:05,133
also sometimes it's hard, peopl

2811
01:12:05,133 --> 01:12:05,133
e

2812
01:12:05,133 --> 01:12:09,573
call and at least the past

2813
01:12:09,573 --> 01:12:11,025
advice has always been if I in

2814
01:12:11,025 --> 01:12:11,025


2815
01:12:11,025 --> 01:12:13,675
fact talk to somebody and it

2816
01:12:13,675 --> 01:12:15,281
strayed into quasi-judicial

2817
01:12:15,281 --> 01:12:17,255
issues, you disclose before the

2818
01:12:17,255 --> 01:12:17,255


2819
01:12:17,255 --> 01:12:17,255
hearing.

2820
01:12:17,255 --> 01:12:19,485
>> yeah, exactly.

2821
01:12:19,485 --> 01:12:19,843
that's true.

2822
01:12:19,843 --> 01:12:22,371
so if you do have inadvertent e

2823
01:12:22,371 --> 01:12:22,371
x

2824
01:12:22,371 --> 01:12:23,923
parte contacts, it just happens

2825
01:12:23,923 --> 01:12:23,923
,

2826
01:12:23,923 --> 01:12:25,125
before you realize what's

2827
01:12:25,125 --> 01:12:28,623
happening, your duty is to

2828
01:12:28,623 --> 01:12:30,197
disclose it at that hearing to

2829
01:12:30,197 --> 01:12:30,197


2830
01:12:30,197 --> 01:12:31,710
say that, you know, what the

2831
01:12:31,710 --> 01:12:32,731
scope -- that it happened and

2832
01:12:32,731 --> 01:12:33,574
what the scope of what was

2833
01:12:33,574 --> 01:12:35,469
discussed, and the whole purpo

2834
01:12:35,469 --> 01:12:35,469
se

2835
01:12:35,469 --> 01:12:39,207
really is to for any, any

2836
01:12:39,207 --> 01:12:42,953
affected parties who, to allow

2837
01:12:42,953 --> 01:12:42,953


2838
01:12:42,953 --> 01:12:44,275
them to hear what you talked

2839
01:12:44,275 --> 01:12:45,579
about so that they can respond

2840
01:12:45,579 --> 01:12:45,579


2841
01:12:45,579 --> 01:12:46,345
to that.

2842
01:12:46,345 --> 01:12:48,169
you know, if need be.

2843
01:12:48,169 --> 01:12:49,881
so it's just an issue of likepr

2844
01:12:49,881 --> 01:12:53,719
ocess and fairness.

2845
01:12:53,719 --> 01:12:55,825
another, this is a tricky one.

2846
01:12:55,825 --> 01:12:55,825


2847
01:12:55,825 --> 01:12:57,959
but under florida law, which I

2848
01:12:57,959 --> 01:12:57,959
s

2849
01:12:57,959 --> 01:13:01,221
unique to several other states,

2850
01:13:01,221 --> 01:13:01,221


2851
01:13:01,221 --> 01:13:04,729
but as you all know well, land,

2852
01:13:04,729 --> 01:13:04,729


2853
01:13:04,729 --> 01:13:06,539
the use of land is largely

2854
01:13:06,539 --> 01:13:10,163
regulated with a two tier

2855
01:13:10,163 --> 01:13:11,697
process in the state with land

2856
01:13:11,697 --> 01:13:11,697


2857
01:13:11,697 --> 01:13:14,345
use planning and then zoning.

2858
01:13:14,345 --> 01:13:15,611
so the comprehensive plan and

2859
01:13:15,611 --> 01:13:19,077
land use planning, all of that

2860
01:13:19,077 --> 01:13:19,077


2861
01:13:19,077 --> 01:13:20,843
is the state law for whatever

2862
01:13:20,843 --> 01:13:23,149
reason in the courts not

2863
01:13:23,149 --> 01:13:24,149
statutory, has deemed that

2864
01:13:24,149 --> 01:13:24,149
legislative.

2865
01:13:24,149 --> 01:13:28,249
so it's that first instance of

2866
01:13:28,249 --> 01:13:28,249


2867
01:13:28,249 --> 01:13:30,025
decision making where your

2868
01:13:30,025 --> 01:13:31,455
discretion is as broad as it c

2869
01:13:31,455 --> 01:13:31,455
an

2870
01:13:31,455 --> 01:13:31,455
be.

2871
01:13:31,455 --> 01:13:34,385
land use planning is all

2872
01:13:34,385 --> 01:13:36,859
legislative, even a land use

2873
01:13:36,859 --> 01:13:38,139
change for a particular piece o

2874
01:13:38,139 --> 01:13:38,139
f

2875
01:13:38,139 --> 01:13:38,139
property.

2876
01:13:38,139 --> 01:13:41,619
and even, and this is where it

2877
01:13:41,619 --> 01:13:41,619


2878
01:13:41,619 --> 01:13:42,603
gets confusing and why I'm

2879
01:13:42,603 --> 01:13:44,939
telling you s because often the

2880
01:13:44,939 --> 01:13:44,939


2881
01:13:44,939 --> 01:13:46,097
land use change and the zoning

2882
01:13:46,097 --> 01:13:46,097


2883
01:13:46,097 --> 01:13:50,319
change will come together is

2884
01:13:50,319 --> 01:13:50,883
staff will present them

2885
01:13:50,883 --> 01:13:50,883
together.

2886
01:13:50,883 --> 01:13:52,677
it's just a weird quirk in

2887
01:13:52,677 --> 01:13:54,443
florida law that the land use

2888
01:13:54,443 --> 01:13:56,853
portion is legislate fn,    iv

2889
01:13:56,853 --> 01:13:57,349
e, but

2890
01:13:57,349 --> 01:13:59,854
the zoning portion is always

2891
01:13:59,854 --> 01:13:59,854
quasi-judicial.

2892
01:13:59,854 --> 01:14:03,403
why that's tricky is you'll ge

2893
01:14:03,403 --> 01:14:03,403
t,

2894
01:14:03,403 --> 01:14:07,127
you know, seasoned engineers a

2895
01:14:07,127 --> 01:14:07,127
nd

2896
01:14:07,127 --> 01:14:09,861
other folks who might approach

2897
01:14:09,861 --> 01:14:09,861


2898
01:14:09,861 --> 01:14:11,285
you behind the scenes, outside

2899
01:14:11,285 --> 01:14:11,285


2900
01:14:11,285 --> 01:14:13,261
of the public meeting, and say

2901
01:14:13,261 --> 01:14:13,261
,

2902
01:14:13,261 --> 01:14:14,363
oh, I want to talk to you about

2903
01:14:14,363 --> 01:14:14,363


2904
01:14:14,363 --> 01:14:16,334
this development.

2905
01:14:16,334 --> 01:14:17,197
I'll only talk about the

2906
01:14:17,197 --> 01:14:17,795
legislative portion.

2907
01:14:17,795 --> 01:14:18,901
and they're kind of hard to,

2908
01:14:18,901 --> 01:14:22,311
like, divorce that way because

2909
01:14:22,311 --> 01:14:22,311


2910
01:14:22,311 --> 01:14:25,169
it just, becomes kind of

2911
01:14:25,169 --> 01:14:26,153
arbitrary like.

2912
01:14:26,153 --> 01:14:27,443
so but they'll, you know,

2913
01:14:27,443 --> 01:14:30,173
they'll couch it in those terms

2914
01:14:30,173 --> 01:14:30,173


2915
01:14:30,173 --> 01:14:31,301
that, we'll just talk about the

2916
01:14:31,301 --> 01:14:31,301


2917
01:14:31,301 --> 01:14:33,029
legislative portion so we can

2918
01:14:33,029 --> 01:14:34,849
fully kind of try to convince

2919
01:14:34,849 --> 01:14:37,519
you, and then we'll save the

2920
01:14:37,519 --> 01:14:38,799
quasi-judicial portion for the

2921
01:14:38,799 --> 01:14:38,799


2922
01:14:38,799 --> 01:14:38,799
end.

2923
01:14:38,799 --> 01:14:41,701
you know, at the hearing.

2924
01:14:41,701 --> 01:14:45,027
anyways, my advice is always

2925
01:14:45,027 --> 01:14:49,677
unless you are, you know, that's  a personal

2926
01:14:49,677 --> 01:14:50,751
a personal decision -- I would

2927
01:14:50,751 --> 01:14:50,751


2928
01:14:50,751 --> 01:14:52,367
just counsel if it was me havin

2929
01:14:52,367 --> 01:14:52,367
g

2930
01:14:52,367 --> 01:14:56,653
ima eof those        any of tho

2931
01:14:56,653 --> 01:14:56,653
se

2932
01:14:56,653 --> 01:14:57,517
discussions because it's just

2933
01:14:57,517 --> 01:14:58,337
hard to separate those.

2934
01:14:58,337 --> 01:14:59,443
even planning had a hard time

2935
01:14:59,443 --> 01:15:00,509
when they're giving

2936
01:15:00,509 --> 01:15:01,511
presentations they'll give a

2937
01:15:01,511 --> 01:15:06,177
detailed presentation in   for

2938
01:15:06,177 --> 01:15:06,315
the

2939
01:15:06,315 --> 01:15:07,717
land use portion to kick it off

2940
01:15:07,717 --> 01:15:07,717


2941
01:15:07,717 --> 01:15:12,125
and when the zoning comes up, w

2942
01:15:12,125 --> 01:15:12,125
e

2943
01:15:12,125 --> 01:15:13,327
already told you everything.

2944
01:15:13,327 --> 01:15:14,191
sometimes it's a very

2945
01:15:14,191 --> 01:15:15,689
abbreviated presentation, so

2946
01:15:15,689 --> 01:15:17,459
that's just an example of how

2947
01:15:17,459 --> 01:15:20,396
kind of interwoven those two

2948
01:15:20,396 --> 01:15:22,101
proses are, and -- processes

2949
01:15:22,101 --> 01:15:23,391
are, so yeah, you know, I would

2950
01:15:23,391 --> 01:15:23,391


2951
01:15:23,391 --> 01:15:27,723
tend to avoid any ex parte

2952
01:15:27,723 --> 01:15:28,771
discussions and that might eve

2953
01:15:28,771 --> 01:15:28,771
n

2954
01:15:28,771 --> 01:15:31,647
include the legislative portion

2955
01:15:31,647 --> 01:15:31,647


2956
01:15:31,647 --> 01:15:33,575
for situations like that.

2957
01:15:33,575 --> 01:15:35,079
the last bit of advice I could

2958
01:15:35,079 --> 01:15:35,079


2959
01:15:35,079 --> 01:15:39,012
give for quasi-judicial hearings

2960
01:15:39,012 --> 01:15:39,012


2961
01:15:39,012 --> 01:15:41,481
is so when you're making a

2962
01:15:41,481 --> 01:15:43,519
decision, you generally I would

2963
01:15:43,519 --> 01:15:43,519


2964
01:15:43,519 --> 01:15:45,057
say have four options.

2965
01:15:45,057 --> 01:15:49,696
anytime a dcomes before

2966
01:15:49,696 --> 01:15:49,696
you.

2967
01:15:49,696 --> 01:15:50,855
and fortunately, you know -- b

2968
01:15:50,855 --> 01:15:50,855
ut

2969
01:15:50,855 --> 01:15:51,814
we're going through a phase

2970
01:15:51,814 --> 01:15:52,961
right n where there's just not

2971
01:15:52,961 --> 01:15:52,961


2972
01:15:52,961 --> 01:15:54,395
many controversial items for

2973
01:15:54,395 --> 01:15:57,411
whatever reason.

2974
01:15:57,411 --> 01:15:58,113
>> knock on wood sphwhoo don't

2975
01:15:58,113 --> 01:15:58,113


2976
01:15:58,113 --> 01:15:58,767
say it too loud.

2977
01:15:58,767 --> 01:16:00,935
>> you guys need to get some

2978
01:16:00,935 --> 01:16:00,935
controversy.

2979
01:16:00,935 --> 01:16:07,881
but you know, it goes through

2980
01:16:07,881 --> 01:16:08,965
waves and several years back we

2981
01:16:08,965 --> 01:16:08,965


2982
01:16:08,965 --> 01:16:10,259
had a ton of them that we were

2983
01:16:10,259 --> 01:16:10,259


2984
01:16:10,259 --> 01:16:11,551
dealing with.

2985
01:16:11,551 --> 01:16:14,819
but and I just preface the

2986
01:16:14,819 --> 01:16:16,421
comments because keep in mind

2987
01:16:16,421 --> 01:16:18,047
when you have a decision that

2988
01:16:18,047 --> 01:16:19,809
comes before you, it's importa

2989
01:16:19,809 --> 01:16:19,809
nt

2990
01:16:19,809 --> 01:16:20,559
to know especially if it's

2991
01:16:20,559 --> 01:16:22,537
controversial but even for any

2992
01:16:22,537 --> 01:16:22,537


2993
01:16:22,537 --> 01:16:24,293
of them, there's four options

2994
01:16:24,293 --> 01:16:26,693
you really have you can approve

2995
01:16:26,693 --> 01:16:26,693


2996
01:16:26,693 --> 01:16:28,701
it outright the way it was

2997
01:16:28,701 --> 01:16:30,595
applied for.

2998
01:16:30,595 --> 01:16:34,305
you can deny it outright; if t

2999
01:16:34,305 --> 01:16:34,305
he

3000
01:16:34,305 --> 01:16:36,155
competent substantial evidence

3001
01:16:36,155 --> 01:16:36,155


3002
01:16:36,155 --> 01:16:39,347
shows that the, that the corre

3003
01:16:39,347 --> 01:16:39,347
ct

3004
01:16:39,347 --> 01:16:41,814
law, the criteria you have to

3005
01:16:41,814 --> 01:16:43,013
apply is not met.

3006
01:16:43,013 --> 01:16:44,273
so if the evidence that was all

3007
01:16:44,273 --> 01:16:44,273


3008
01:16:44,273 --> 01:16:45,149
gathered shows that the

3009
01:16:45,149 --> 01:16:46,865
criteria's not met then you can

3010
01:16:46,865 --> 01:16:46,865


3011
01:16:46,865 --> 01:16:48,553
deny it outright.

3012
01:16:48,553 --> 01:16:49,785
so you can approve it outright,

3013
01:16:49,785 --> 01:16:49,785


3014
01:16:49,785 --> 01:16:52,091
you can deny it outright, you

3015
01:16:52,091 --> 01:16:53,051
can, you can continue the

3016
01:16:53,051 --> 01:16:54,293
meeting, that's one that

3017
01:16:54,293 --> 01:16:56,326
sometimes is important to know

3018
01:16:56,326 --> 01:16:56,326


3019
01:16:56,326 --> 01:16:56,989
again that's why I was thinking

3020
01:16:56,989 --> 01:16:56,989


3021
01:16:56,989 --> 01:16:56,989
controversial.

3022
01:16:56,989 --> 01:16:59,377
for controversial ones or ones

3023
01:16:59,377 --> 01:16:59,377


3024
01:16:59,377 --> 01:17:02,401
that get in the weeds at the

3025
01:17:02,401 --> 01:17:07,035
hearing, so you know again

3026
01:17:07,035 --> 01:17:08,183
hasn't happened here lately but

3027
01:17:08,183 --> 01:17:08,183


3028
01:17:08,183 --> 01:17:12,379
in past years, for really meaty

3029
01:17:12,379 --> 01:17:12,379


3030
01:17:12,379 --> 01:17:13,407
issue you might get a lawyer

3031
01:17:13,407 --> 01:17:14,783
that shows up representing the

3032
01:17:14,783 --> 01:17:14,783


3033
01:17:14,783 --> 01:17:16,815
property owner or an adjacent

3034
01:17:16,815 --> 01:17:18,453
property owner, that at the

3035
01:17:18,453 --> 01:17:19,921
hearing just has like a mountain

3036
01:17:19,921 --> 01:17:19,921


3037
01:17:19,921 --> 01:17:22,489
of evidence to support their

3038
01:17:22,489 --> 01:17:25,493
whatever their argument is.

3039
01:17:25,493 --> 01:17:27,455
well, this, you know, the board

3040
01:17:27,455 --> 01:17:27,455


3041
01:17:27,455 --> 01:17:29,019
can't be expected to review all

3042
01:17:29,019 --> 01:17:29,019


3043
01:17:29,019 --> 01:17:30,981
that evidence of course that the

3044
01:17:30,981 --> 01:17:30,981


3045
01:17:30,981 --> 01:17:32,855
night to make it an informed

3046
01:17:32,855 --> 01:17:36,107
decision, so there is an abili

3047
01:17:36,107 --> 01:17:36,107
ty

3048
01:17:36,107 --> 01:17:39,367
to continue the hearing to a

3049
01:17:39,367 --> 01:17:43,575
future date to make sure that

3050
01:17:43,575 --> 01:17:45,115
the hearing takes place

3051
01:17:45,115 --> 01:17:47,307
thoroughly and fairly with due

3052
01:17:47,307 --> 01:17:47,307


3053
01:17:47,307 --> 01:17:47,307
process.

3054
01:17:47,307 --> 01:17:48,743
there are limits to that.

3055
01:17:48,743 --> 01:17:50,033
staff would help you, you know,

3056
01:17:50,033 --> 01:17:50,033


3057
01:17:50,033 --> 01:17:51,045
you can't just keep continuing

3058
01:17:51,045 --> 01:17:52,149
a

3059
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:53,647
meeting and hearings to, you

3060
01:17:53,647 --> 01:17:56,581
know, a delay tactic and stuff

3061
01:17:56,581 --> 01:17:56,581


3062
01:17:56,581 --> 01:17:57,135
like that.

3063
01:17:57,135 --> 01:17:58,251
but nonetheless, continuation I

3064
01:17:58,251 --> 01:17:58,251
s

3065
01:17:58,251 --> 01:17:58,487
an option.

3066
01:17:58,487 --> 01:18:00,469
I just want to point out.

3067
01:18:00,469 --> 01:18:02,095
the last option is an approval

3068
01:18:02,095 --> 01:18:02,095


3069
01:18:02,095 --> 01:18:03,187
with conditions.

3070
01:18:03,187 --> 01:18:05,227
which you know, I think that

3071
01:18:05,227 --> 01:18:08,199
happens routinely.

3072
01:18:08,199 --> 01:18:09,401
there's a practical matter of

3073
01:18:09,401 --> 01:18:10,471
course this board relies heavi

3074
01:18:10,471 --> 01:18:10,471
ly

3075
01:18:10,471 --> 01:18:14,435
on staff who are the experts and

3076
01:18:14,435 --> 01:18:14,435


3077
01:18:14,435 --> 01:18:15,673
work day to day on this, so

3078
01:18:15,673 --> 01:18:16,709
staff will really vet issues

3079
01:18:16,709 --> 01:18:18,241
well and bring it to you, and

3080
01:18:18,241 --> 01:18:20,543
make a recommendation that we

3081
01:18:20,543 --> 01:18:21,839
recommend you approve this but

3082
01:18:21,839 --> 01:18:21,839


3083
01:18:21,839 --> 01:18:23,847
with these conditions and the

3084
01:18:23,847 --> 01:18:29,223
conditions are only there to,

3085
01:18:29,223 --> 01:18:30,417
because it's to get that

3086
01:18:30,417 --> 01:18:31,423
application to the place where

3087
01:18:31,423 --> 01:18:31,423


3088
01:18:31,423 --> 01:18:32,925
it can be approved.

3089
01:18:32,925 --> 01:18:34,377
so in other words, it was

3090
01:18:34,377 --> 01:18:35,623
approvable and meets everythin

3091
01:18:35,623 --> 01:18:35,623
g

3092
01:18:35,623 --> 01:18:37,257
in the code and the

3093
01:18:37,257 --> 01:18:38,795
comprehensive plan, except for

3094
01:18:38,795 --> 01:18:38,795


3095
01:18:38,795 --> 01:18:40,157
like these two or three things

3096
01:18:40,157 --> 01:18:40,157


3097
01:18:40,157 --> 01:18:41,935
that need to be done to fix thi

3098
01:18:41,935 --> 01:18:41,935
s

3099
01:18:41,935 --> 01:18:43,899
little area that was, you know,

3100
01:18:43,899 --> 01:18:43,899


3101
01:18:43,899 --> 01:18:47,081
eskew a      askew a little bit

3102
01:18:47,081 --> 01:18:47,335
so

3103
01:18:47,335 --> 01:18:47,885
that's when the recommendation

3104
01:18:47,885 --> 01:18:47,885


3105
01:18:47,885 --> 01:18:48,799
is approved with conditions and

3106
01:18:48,799 --> 01:18:48,799


3107
01:18:48,799 --> 01:18:51,905
you can do that to, certainly.

3108
01:18:51,905 --> 01:18:51,905


3109
01:18:51,905 --> 01:18:53,209
the reason I'm telling you all

3110
01:18:53,209 --> 01:18:53,209


3111
01:18:53,209 --> 01:18:56,171
this is because, and again thi

3112
01:18:56,171 --> 01:18:56,171
s

3113
01:18:56,171 --> 01:18:57,779
board doesn't do it, so you

3114
01:18:57,779 --> 01:19:01,165
know, but if you on your own

3115
01:19:01,165 --> 01:19:02,059
want to desire to make up

3116
01:19:02,059 --> 01:19:04,047
conditions on the fly, you know

3117
01:19:04,047 --> 01:19:04,047


3118
01:19:04,047 --> 01:19:04,933
because you're like okay, thank

3119
01:19:04,933 --> 01:19:04,933


3120
01:19:04,933 --> 01:19:05,929
you, staff, for your

3121
01:19:05,929 --> 01:19:07,479
recommendation, but I would like

3122
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:07,479


3123
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:09,627
to move to continue this, I

3124
01:19:09,627 --> 01:19:11,637
mean, to approve this with the

3125
01:19:11,637 --> 01:19:11,637


3126
01:19:11,637 --> 01:19:14,729
condition that x yz.

3127
01:19:14,729 --> 01:19:16,627
you just have to be very caref

3128
01:19:16,627 --> 01:19:16,627
ul

3129
01:19:16,627 --> 01:19:17,825
with those conditions because

3130
01:19:17,825 --> 01:19:19,687
there's a whole body of case l

3131
01:19:19,687 --> 01:19:19,687
aw

3132
01:19:19,687 --> 01:19:21,001
that governs the limits of wha

3133
01:19:21,001 --> 01:19:21,001
t

3134
01:19:21,001 --> 01:19:22,049
you can do.

3135
01:19:22,049 --> 01:19:23,253
and there is in the state of

3136
01:19:23,253 --> 01:19:24,377
florida there's what's called a

3137
01:19:24,377 --> 01:19:24,377


3138
01:19:24,377 --> 01:19:26,077
dual rational nexus test that

3139
01:19:26,077 --> 01:19:28,197
just says without boring you t

3140
01:19:28,197 --> 01:19:28,197
oo

3141
01:19:28,197 --> 01:19:30,445
much, the conditions that you

3142
01:19:30,445 --> 01:19:32,449
want to impose have to be

3143
01:19:32,449 --> 01:19:34,847
related to that, to the impacts

3144
01:19:34,847 --> 01:19:34,847


3145
01:19:34,847 --> 01:19:38,849
of that specific development.

3146
01:19:38,849 --> 01:19:39,917
an example there is say

3147
01:19:39,917 --> 01:19:39,917
traffic.

3148
01:19:39,917 --> 01:19:42,461
if there's going to be a

3149
01:19:42,461 --> 01:19:43,861
development on a street that's

3150
01:19:43,861 --> 01:19:43,861


3151
01:19:43,861 --> 01:19:46,761
already taxed, it's already

3152
01:19:46,761 --> 01:19:47,967
pursuant to traffic engineering

3153
01:19:47,967 --> 01:19:47,967
,

3154
01:19:47,967 --> 01:19:49,625
you know, out of the standards

3155
01:19:49,625 --> 01:19:49,625


3156
01:19:49,625 --> 01:19:52,929
of what it should be, well, you

3157
01:19:52,929 --> 01:19:52,929


3158
01:19:52,929 --> 01:19:54,905
can't condition that new

3159
01:19:54,905 --> 01:19:58,409
development on fixing stuff tha

3160
01:19:58,409 --> 01:19:58,409
t

3161
01:19:58,409 --> 01:20:01,577
that development didn't cause.

3162
01:20:01,577 --> 01:20:01,577


3163
01:20:01,577 --> 01:20:05,353
so that's the first portion of

3164
01:20:05,353 --> 01:20:05,353


3165
01:20:05,353 --> 01:20:07,449
that condition decision tree s

3166
01:20:07,449 --> 01:20:07,449
o

3167
01:20:07,449 --> 01:20:08,987
to speak, is that whatever

3168
01:20:08,987 --> 01:20:10,185
condition you want to impose h

3169
01:20:10,185 --> 01:20:10,185
as

3170
01:20:10,185 --> 01:20:12,953
to be related and caused by tha

3171
01:20:12,953 --> 01:20:12,953
t

3172
01:20:12,953 --> 01:20:14,357
specific development.

3173
01:20:14,357 --> 01:20:15,757
nothing else.

3174
01:20:15,757 --> 01:20:19,355
the second tier is that once

3175
01:20:19,355 --> 01:20:20,461
that's the case then you can

3176
01:20:20,461 --> 01:20:21,291
impose a condition but the

3177
01:20:21,291 --> 01:20:26,803
condition has to in relationshi

3178
01:20:26,803 --> 01:20:26,803
p

3179
01:20:26,803 --> 01:20:28,436
to the specific issue that tha

3180
01:20:28,436 --> 01:20:28,436
t

3181
01:20:28,436 --> 01:20:30,641
development is causing.

3182
01:20:30,641 --> 01:20:31,351
so in other words if they are

3183
01:20:31,351 --> 01:20:35,450
causing an issue with traffic,

3184
01:20:35,450 --> 01:20:35,450


3185
01:20:35,450 --> 01:20:37,681
using that same example, and you

3186
01:20:37,681 --> 01:20:37,681


3187
01:20:37,681 --> 01:20:40,143
do want to make a condition that

3188
01:20:40,143 --> 01:20:40,143


3189
01:20:40,143 --> 01:20:41,839
is, is tailored to the impact

3190
01:20:41,839 --> 01:20:42,939
that that development is

3191
01:20:42,939 --> 01:20:45,555
causing, well then your  co

3192
01:20:45,555 --> 01:20:47,127
condition to fix that can't be

3193
01:20:47,127 --> 01:20:47,127


3194
01:20:47,127 --> 01:20:49,437
so we want you to deed us over

3195
01:20:49,437 --> 01:20:49,657
a

3196
01:20:49,657 --> 01:20:51,755
five-acre public park, for

3197
01:20:51,755 --> 01:20:51,755
instance.

3198
01:20:51,755 --> 01:20:52,827
you know?

3199
01:20:52,827 --> 01:20:54,857
urban cities do this, like the

3200
01:20:54,857 --> 01:20:54,857
re

3201
01:20:54,857 --> 01:20:55,915
is case law where, you know,

3202
01:20:55,915 --> 01:20:57,933
like oh, you're causing a littl

3203
01:20:57,933 --> 01:20:57,933
e

3204
01:20:57,933 --> 01:20:59,301
bit of traffic.

3205
01:20:59,301 --> 01:21:01,285
we're going to need 10 acres s

3206
01:21:01,285 --> 01:21:01,285
o

3207
01:21:01,285 --> 01:21:02,309
we can have a public park like

3208
01:21:02,309 --> 01:21:02,309


3209
01:21:02,309 --> 01:21:03,449
down, you know, down the

3210
01:21:03,449 --> 01:21:03,449
street.

3211
01:21:03,449 --> 01:21:06,511
so that's where you got to be

3212
01:21:06,511 --> 01:21:07,473
careful with that second tier I

3213
01:21:07,473 --> 01:21:07,473
s

3214
01:21:07,473 --> 01:21:09,777
that your condition is related

3215
01:21:09,777 --> 01:21:09,777


3216
01:21:09,777 --> 01:21:12,015
to what they're doing.

3217
01:21:12,015 --> 01:21:14,551
and so anyways, that is about a

3218
01:21:14,551 --> 01:21:14,551
s

3219
01:21:14,551 --> 01:21:15,425
brief as I can get you.

3220
01:21:15,425 --> 01:21:16,427
any questions?

3221
01:21:16,427 --> 01:21:21,050
>> [off mic]

3222
01:21:21,050 --> 01:21:22,538
advisory on almost everything.

3223
01:21:22,538 --> 01:21:22,538


3224
01:21:22,538 --> 01:21:23,525
the only thing we're not

3225
01:21:23,525 --> 01:21:25,494
advisory on is the special use

3226
01:21:25,494 --> 01:21:25,494


3227
01:21:25,494 --> 01:21:25,494
permits.

3228
01:21:25,494 --> 01:21:29,335
and so when the special use

3229
01:21:29,335 --> 01:21:31,733
permit has a list of god I thi

3230
01:21:31,733 --> 01:21:31,733
nk

3231
01:21:31,733 --> 01:21:35,886
it's up to 13 different

3232
01:21:35,886 --> 01:21:37,005
criteria, so if you want decid

3233
01:21:37,005 --> 01:21:37,005
e

3234
01:21:37,005 --> 01:21:38,673
you want to deny a special use

3235
01:21:38,673 --> 01:21:38,673


3236
01:21:38,673 --> 01:21:41,775
permit, in your motion you nee

3237
01:21:41,775 --> 01:21:41,775
d

3238
01:21:41,775 --> 01:21:44,941
to specify what the grounds are

3239
01:21:44,941 --> 01:21:44,941


3240
01:21:44,941 --> 01:21:47,187
for doing that, and that gives

3241
01:21:47,187 --> 01:21:47,187


3242
01:21:47,187 --> 01:21:50,527
these guys if somebody wants t

3243
01:21:50,527 --> 01:21:50,527
o

3244
01:21:50,527 --> 01:21:53,089
sue us, it gives our attorneys

3245
01:21:53,089 --> 01:21:53,089


3246
01:21:53,089 --> 01:21:55,901
the ability to defend.

3247
01:21:55,901 --> 01:21:58,493
>> that's true.

3248
01:21:58,493 --> 01:22:05,001
wayerhauser was a big one the

3249
01:22:05,001 --> 01:22:05,567
city did.

3250
01:22:05,567 --> 01:22:08,105
it led to a lot of litigation

3251
01:22:08,105 --> 01:22:09,333
but my office and staff did a

3252
01:22:09,333 --> 01:22:10,105
good job of counseling the

3253
01:22:10,105 --> 01:22:11,109
commission and having a bunch o

3254
01:22:11,109 --> 01:22:11,109
f

3255
01:22:11,109 --> 01:22:15,641
legitimate reasons for denial

3256
01:22:15,641 --> 01:22:17,184
that led to success in

3257
01:22:17,184 --> 01:22:17,184
litigation.

3258
01:22:17,184 --> 01:22:20,183
but a lot of boards won't and

3259
01:22:20,183 --> 01:22:21,389
they'll just deny and go rogue

3260
01:22:21,389 --> 01:22:21,389


3261
01:22:21,389 --> 01:22:23,015
and that's when cities lose

3262
01:22:23,015 --> 01:22:25,571
those cases.

3263
01:22:25,571 --> 01:22:31,266
so that's all I had to say.

3264
01:22:31,266 --> 01:22:32,365
if there are any questions or

3265
01:22:32,365 --> 01:22:33,593
any areas you want to touch on,

3266
01:22:33,593 --> 01:22:33,593


3267
01:22:33,593 --> 01:22:34,977
I'm happy to hear.

3268
01:22:34,977 --> 01:22:35,963
>> I would volunteer if you're  going

3269
01:22:35,963 --> 01:22:37,035
going to deny a special use

3270
01:22:37,035 --> 01:22:39,173
permit based on incompatibility,

3271
01:22:39,173 --> 01:22:39,173


3272
01:22:39,173 --> 01:22:44,641
that's probably the weakest

3273
01:22:44,641 --> 01:22:45,751
criteria when you take that to

3274
01:22:45,751 --> 01:22:45,751


3275
01:22:45,751 --> 01:22:47,247
court unless you can give some

3276
01:22:47,247 --> 01:22:47,247


3277
01:22:47,247 --> 01:22:50,245
specific reason why it is

3278
01:22:50,245 --> 01:22:51,913
incompatible rather than a

3279
01:22:51,913 --> 01:22:54,221
generic it's incompatible.

3280
01:22:54,221 --> 01:22:57,457
incompatible doesn't have a

3281
01:22:57,457 --> 01:23:01,790
strong definition.

3282
01:23:01,790 --> 01:23:02,922
I don't like gas stations.

3283
01:23:02,922 --> 01:23:04,129
I've heard somebody from this

3284
01:23:04,129 --> 01:23:06,563
board say that a couple of yea

3285
01:23:06,563 --> 01:23:06,563
rs

3286
01:23:06,563 --> 01:23:06,563
ago.

3287
01:23:06,563 --> 01:23:10,395
you just, you know, that's just

3288
01:23:10,395 --> 01:23:10,395


3289
01:23:10,395 --> 01:23:12,335
not going to work.

3290
01:23:12,335 --> 01:23:13,895
>> people have rights to have

3291
01:23:13,895 --> 01:23:14,459
gas stations and you may not

3292
01:23:14,459 --> 01:23:17,705
like them, but you have to mee

3293
01:23:17,705 --> 01:23:17,705
t

3294
01:23:17,705 --> 01:23:18,946
the ordinance.

3295
01:23:18,946 --> 01:23:22,817
>> yeah.

3296
01:23:22,817 --> 01:23:24,636
quasi-judicial realm.

3297
01:23:24,636 --> 01:23:28,918
beput it's legislative, we   I

3298
01:23:28,918 --> 01:23:28,918
f

3299
01:23:28,918 --> 01:23:30,429
you say I hate gas stations

3300
01:23:30,429 --> 01:23:30,549


3301
01:23:30,549 --> 01:23:31,825
stations and want to keep them

3302
01:23:31,825 --> 01:23:31,825


3303
01:23:31,825 --> 01:23:33,088
in the very corner of the city

3304
01:23:33,088 --> 01:23:33,088


3305
01:23:33,088 --> 01:23:35,455
you can make that recommendatio

3306
01:23:35,455 --> 01:23:35,455
n

3307
01:23:35,455 --> 01:23:36,601
to the city.

3308
01:23:36,601 --> 01:23:37,209
okay, good luck.

3309
01:23:37,209 --> 01:23:38,037
if you have any questions in th

3310
01:23:38,037 --> 01:23:38,037
e

3311
01:23:38,037 --> 01:23:39,963
future, just reach out.

3312
01:23:39,963 --> 01:23:41,749
>> okay.

3313
01:23:41,749 --> 01:23:44,349
>> bob, I bored bob like I

3314
01:23:44,349 --> 01:23:44,349
said.

3315
01:23:44,349 --> 01:23:46,567
I was trying not to.

3316
01:23:46,567 --> 01:23:48,257
>> bob spoke more than anybody

3317
01:23:48,257 --> 01:23:48,257


3318
01:23:48,257 --> 01:23:49,140
else, so I think you didn't bor

3319
01:23:49,140 --> 01:23:49,140
e

3320
01:23:49,140 --> 01:23:49,140
him.

3321
01:23:49,140 --> 01:23:51,037
>> only the tenth or 12th

3322
01:23:51,037 --> 01:23:51,037
time.

3323
01:23:51,037 --> 01:23:53,089
>> you guys should do it --

3324
01:23:53,089 --> 01:23:53,923
>> it's always been you.

3325
01:23:53,923 --> 01:23:55,709
>> it's always been me.

3326
01:23:55,709 --> 01:23:56,543
>> yeah and it's always been

3327
01:23:56,543 --> 01:23:56,543
me.

3328
01:23:56,543 --> 01:23:56,543
[laughter]

3329
01:23:56,543 --> 01:23:56,543
okay.

3330
01:23:56,543 --> 01:24:01,512
>> all right,.

3331
01:24:01,512 --> 01:24:02,589
>> well, thank you so much for

3332
01:24:02,589 --> 01:24:02,589
,

3333
01:24:02,589 --> 01:24:05,045
for the refresher, and you know,

3334
01:24:05,045 --> 01:24:05,045


3335
01:24:05,045 --> 01:24:05,045
yeah.

3336
01:24:05,045 --> 01:24:06,821
I wish I had known some of thi

3337
01:24:06,821 --> 01:24:06,821
s

3338
01:24:06,821 --> 01:24:08,799
stuff like years ago when I was

3339
01:24:08,799 --> 01:24:08,799


3340
01:24:08,799 --> 01:24:10,500
really screwing up as opposed t

3341
01:24:10,500 --> 01:24:10,500
o

3342
01:24:10,500 --> 01:24:12,927
now where I'm only sometimes

3343
01:24:12,927 --> 01:24:15,199
kind of.

3344
01:24:15,199 --> 01:24:16,799
but very helpful.

3345
01:24:16,799 --> 01:24:16,799
okay.

3346
01:24:16,799 --> 01:24:19,493
we're moving onto member

3347
01:24:19,493 --> 01:24:21,702
comment, of which I have a

3348
01:24:21,702 --> 01:24:23,971
member comment.

3349
01:24:23,971 --> 01:24:25,177
I did want to talk adjust

3350
01:24:25,177 --> 01:24:28,873
briefly about our last meeting

3351
01:24:28,873 --> 01:24:28,873


3352
01:24:28,873 --> 01:24:32,584
because there was some after

3353
01:24:32,584 --> 01:24:33,409
meeting e-mails and after

3354
01:24:33,409 --> 01:24:35,583
meeting discussions, and so I

3355
01:24:35,583 --> 01:24:36,887
don't know about the board but

3356
01:24:36,887 --> 01:24:36,887


3357
01:24:36,887 --> 01:24:48,191
from other people, it's just a

3358
01:24:48,191 --> 01:24:48,191


3359
01:24:48,191 --> 01:24:49,659
reminder we should treat each

3360
01:24:49,659 --> 01:24:50,738
other with grace, we should

3361
01:24:50,738 --> 01:24:51,799
treat each other with respect.

3362
01:24:51,799 --> 01:24:51,799


3363
01:24:51,799 --> 01:24:54,101
we all have passion which is w

3364
01:24:54,101 --> 01:24:54,101
hy

3365
01:24:54,101 --> 01:24:54,793
year here.

3366
01:24:54,793 --> 01:24:55,969
sometimes that passion leads u

3367
01:24:55,969 --> 01:24:55,969
s

3368
01:24:55,969 --> 01:24:57,605
to -- it can boil over a bit a

3369
01:24:57,605 --> 01:24:57,605
nd

3370
01:24:57,605 --> 01:24:59,417
lead us to kind of butt heads,

3371
01:24:59,417 --> 01:24:59,417


3372
01:24:59,417 --> 01:25:00,707
and I think respectful

3373
01:25:00,707 --> 01:25:04,972
disagreement is okay.

3374
01:25:04,972 --> 01:25:05,919
I think we also should remembe

3375
01:25:05,919 --> 01:25:05,919


3376
01:25:05,919 --> 01:25:08,381
to respect the people that com

3377
01:25:08,381 --> 01:25:08,381
e

3378
01:25:08,381 --> 01:25:10,733
before us.

3379
01:25:10,733 --> 01:25:13,127
it takes -- to come up and spe

3380
01:25:13,127 --> 01:25:13,127
ak

3381
01:25:13,127 --> 01:25:14,383
in public so make sure that

3382
01:25:14,383 --> 01:25:15,505
anybody that comes before us, w

3383
01:25:15,505 --> 01:25:15,505
e

3384
01:25:15,505 --> 01:25:16,350
afford them respect and then

3385
01:25:16,350 --> 01:25:18,787
also just remember that what

3386
01:25:18,787 --> 01:25:20,591
we're dealing with is people's

3387
01:25:20,591 --> 01:25:20,591


3388
01:25:20,591 --> 01:25:23,275
homes, people's businesses,

3389
01:25:23,275 --> 01:25:24,597
their churches, their

3390
01:25:24,597 --> 01:25:26,459
communities, their

3391
01:25:26,459 --> 01:25:29,001
neighborhoods, and so when we'

3392
01:25:29,001 --> 01:25:29,001
re

3393
01:25:29,001 --> 01:25:30,680
also speaking to people about

3394
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:33,181
these issues and speaking about

3395
01:25:33,181 --> 01:25:33,181


3396
01:25:33,181 --> 01:25:36,505
the issues in particular, to

3397
01:25:36,505 --> 01:25:37,505
afford those issues the respect

3398
01:25:37,505 --> 01:25:37,505


3399
01:25:37,505 --> 01:25:38,555
they deserve as well because

3400
01:25:38,555 --> 01:25:41,017
everything that comes before t

3401
01:25:41,017 --> 01:25:41,017
he

3402
01:25:41,017 --> 01:25:43,454
board matters to somebody,.

3403
01:25:43,454 --> 01:25:48,023
if if did   didn't matter to

3404
01:25:48,023 --> 01:25:49,021
anybody, it wouldn't be before

3405
01:25:49,021 --> 01:25:49,021


3406
01:25:49,021 --> 01:25:49,021
us.

3407
01:25:49,021 --> 01:25:50,603
just a reminder to everybody.

3408
01:25:50,603 --> 01:25:51,507
generally I think we do a good

3409
01:25:51,507 --> 01:25:51,507


3410
01:25:51,507 --> 01:25:53,729
job of this, but just in gener

3411
01:25:53,729 --> 01:25:53,729
al

3412
01:25:53,729 --> 01:25:54,368
reminder to do that.

3413
01:25:54,368 --> 01:25:56,011
and then of course with us, you

3414
01:25:56,011 --> 01:25:56,011


3415
01:25:56,011 --> 01:25:58,773
know, on the board, if you hav

3416
01:25:58,773 --> 01:25:58,773
e

3417
01:25:58,773 --> 01:25:59,587
something you want to say, jus

3418
01:25:59,587 --> 01:25:59,587
t

3419
01:25:59,587 --> 01:26:01,370
hit the button.

3420
01:26:01,370 --> 01:26:03,203
that stupid little button will

3421
01:26:03,203 --> 01:26:03,203


3422
01:26:03,203 --> 01:26:04,535
light up in front of me and the

3423
01:26:04,535 --> 01:26:04,535
n

3424
01:26:04,535 --> 01:26:05,613
I'll at some point remember to

3425
01:26:05,613 --> 01:26:05,613


3426
01:26:05,613 --> 01:26:07,303
hit it, and then you'll be abl

3427
01:26:07,303 --> 01:26:07,303
e

3428
01:26:07,303 --> 01:26:09,223
to speak.

3429
01:26:09,223 --> 01:26:11,541
and so you know that'll be you

3430
01:26:11,541 --> 01:26:11,541
r

3431
01:26:11,541 --> 01:26:13,377
time to speak and if somebody

3432
01:26:13,377 --> 01:26:14,615
wants to jump in because they

3433
01:26:14,615 --> 01:26:17,417
disagree, just hit your button.

3434
01:26:17,417 --> 01:26:17,417


3435
01:26:17,417 --> 01:26:18,825
I will hit the button and once

3436
01:26:18,825 --> 01:26:18,825


3437
01:26:18,825 --> 01:26:19,785
they are done making their poi

3438
01:26:19,785 --> 01:26:19,785
nt

3439
01:26:19,785 --> 01:26:20,655
you can jump in and say whatever

3440
01:26:20,655 --> 01:26:20,655


3441
01:26:20,655 --> 01:26:22,727
you want to say to rebut them o

3442
01:26:22,727 --> 01:26:22,727
r

3443
01:26:22,727 --> 01:26:24,271
you know, I don't know.

3444
01:26:24,271 --> 01:26:26,535
but please do it respectfully.

3445
01:26:26,535 --> 01:26:26,535


3446
01:26:26,535 --> 01:26:28,461
and the last thing, which is

3447
01:26:28,461 --> 01:26:29,995
ironic because I'm kind of

3448
01:26:29,995 --> 01:26:30,877
grandstanding right now is jus

3449
01:26:30,877 --> 01:26:30,877
t

3450
01:26:30,877 --> 01:26:32,413
we all do it from time to time,

3451
01:26:32,413 --> 01:26:32,413


3452
01:26:32,413 --> 01:26:34,883
we're all very passionate, we

3453
01:26:34,883 --> 01:26:36,165
should try to keep that to a

3454
01:26:36,165 --> 01:26:37,939
minimum and try to keep focused

3455
01:26:37,939 --> 01:26:37,939


3456
01:26:37,939 --> 01:26:39,295
on the agenda at hand and work

3457
01:26:39,295 --> 01:26:39,295


3458
01:26:39,295 --> 01:26:39,977
at hand.

3459
01:26:39,977 --> 01:26:41,709
these meetings run pretty long

3460
01:26:41,709 --> 01:26:41,709


3461
01:26:41,709 --> 01:26:41,709
sometimes.

3462
01:26:41,709 --> 01:26:43,583
I'm extending it right now to

3463
01:26:43,583 --> 01:26:45,213
say this, so I know I'm aware o

3464
01:26:45,213 --> 01:26:45,213
f

3465
01:26:45,213 --> 01:26:45,213
that.

3466
01:26:45,213 --> 01:26:47,031
all right.

3467
01:26:47,031 --> 01:26:47,611
that's my piece.

3468
01:26:47,611 --> 01:26:48,685
that's my member comment.

3469
01:26:48,685 --> 01:26:49,931
if anybody else has any member

3470
01:26:49,931 --> 01:26:49,931


3471
01:26:49,931 --> 01:26:54,349
comments, now's the time.

3472
01:26:54,349 --> 01:26:56,133
and seeing none, I'm going to

3473
01:26:56,133 --> 01:26:57,091
end this meeting.

3474
01:26:57,091 --> 01:26:57,886
the next meeting of the plan  bo

3475
01:26:57,886 --> 01:27:00,093
board, september 24th, 2026.

3476
01:27:00,093 --> 01:27:01,495
with that, this one's