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Good evening and welcome to the Historic Preservation Commission meeting, occurring on Monday, April 20,

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Mr. Kutaya, can we have a roll call please?

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Yes, did we under the touch of allegiance first?

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I was going to do that second, but we'll do that first.

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Okay. So we will now rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.

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Okay. Mr. Kutaya, can we have a roll call please?

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Yes, thank you, Chair. Commissioner Goodson,

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I'll make sure, as your mic on, the little green on the please.

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Here.

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Mr. Link.

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Commissioner Preston.

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President. Commissioner Roberts.

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Commissioner Valez.

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Commissioner Vott, pardon me, Vice Chair Valander.

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President.

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And Chair McDivett.

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President.

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Thank you.

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At this time, the public will now have an opportunity to comment on any non agenda.

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item relevant to the jurisdiction of the city,

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are there any speaker slips or online?

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Yes, thank you, Chair. For those who wish to comment on a non-agenda item,

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please use raised hand icon and I will call on you.

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I'm seeing none for public form. Thank you, Chair.

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Okay, thank you. Mr. Kutaya, do we have any amendments for adjustments to the agenda?

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There are no amendments or adjustments. Thank you, Chair.

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Okay. All right. Well, that will take us to item A1, which is.

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Sorry. Sorry.

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And thank you, Chair, that's item A1 proposed adaptive reuse and renovation

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to the Fairview Gardens Historic Farmhouse.

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As part of Fairview Gardens Conditional Use Permit Project 598 North Fairview Avenue,

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APN 069-090-052, case numbers 25-001-CUP 25-0001-CUP 25-060.

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three dashed ERB. Thank you. Now this is an opportunity for any of the commissioners to provide

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expertise reports if any.

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Looks like we don't have any. So I'm going to open the public hearing

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and before we start, I'd like to just remind everyone present that the historic preservation

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commissions review is limited to the historic farmhouse portion of the project and whether the

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project is consistent with the Secretary of Interior standards for the treatment of historic

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structures.

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Other planning-related items, such as parking and traffic, noise, et cetera, are the

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purview of the Planning Commission, which will occur at a later date.

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The HPC will only be commenting on the proposed alterations to the historic farmhouse.

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Okay, so, I think now it's time for staff presentation, Mr. Highfield.

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Thank you, Chair.

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Good evening chair and commissioners. Staff is going to give some brief remarks, some background, and then the applicant will have some remarks as well, and then we can turn it back over to the commission for questions and deliberations and public forum.

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So just a quick bit of background, the Fairbred Gardens has applied for a conditional use permit to formalize activities that are on the site proposed to be on the site.

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These include farm operations, youth and adult education programs, staff housing, public events, and then other physical developments that will support those uses.

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So that's kind of the larger scale of the project overall.

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The part that the HPC, as you mentioned, is focusing on today, is the historic farmhouse,

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and how that relates to its consistency with Secretary of Interior standards.

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So, just a quick note on the standards, the standards to find rehabilitation, I'll just read the definition real quick just to set it set the tone.

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Rehabilitation of a source of structures to find as the act or process of making possible and compatible use for property through repair alterations and additions while preserving those portions or features,

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which convey its historical, cultural, or architectural values.

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So with add-in mind, then the standards also require, they have 10 findings that are listed

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in the staff report.

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I won't go over each one item by item here, but what staff is going to be wanting from the

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P.C. in a recommendation is how the project is consistent or how those findings can be made and that it will be part of the recommendation to other decision makers, including other recommending, recommending bodies like the design and viewboard and then ultimately the planning commission, who will be the decision maker on the project.

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In terms of CQA, for tonight, the action is not required for a recommendation, so the

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CQA action is required tonight.

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The review authority will be asked to adopt CQA document when the entire project is presented

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to them at a future future hearings.

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One note on zoning in general planning consistency, the farmhouse rehabilitation project or that portion of the larger project is consistent with required zoning development standards for step-back and height as example.

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The farmhouse rehabilitation is also consistent with general plan policies related to alterations to historical resources and restoration and reuse of historical resources.

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Let's see, make sure I get all my notes here.

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One of the thing to note is that the farmhouse is listed in our historic resources inventory as a historic resource.

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So there's some precedents here and now we're here with an actual project to see how it relates to that.

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And so I can go over the plans real briefly here.

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The applicant will also be providing some remarks

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and we can go through the plans as we go.

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But I wanted to set the stage here.

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This is kind of looking southeast from above.

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And so you'll see some improvements that are proposed.

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The farmhouse is kind of right in the middle.

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And then some other proposed improvements including a barn.

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restored farm stand and then the staff housing.

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Sproul to some other pages here.

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So this is a site plan looking directly from above.

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So north is up in this view.

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Again, farm houses here near the library.

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And the other.

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Opposed developments.

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Proposed elevations for the farmhouse are here. So the aside fixing up the exterior,

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they're also proposing a porch and a retractable patio cover to kind of activate the outer space

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in and around the farmhouse. And then within the farmhouse will be a number of uses, including

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office, some storage, and then there will be a studio residential unit in the upstairs, as

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well. So I think I'll let the applicant go into more detail on the plans, but that concludes

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staff's initial remarks and have to answer questions when we get there. So the applicant

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would like to come up and use the podium and give them a remarks.

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Thank you.

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Good evening.

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I'm Tim Hazel-Tine from Post-Tiesel-Tine Associates.

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I prepared the, well, actually, Pamela post prepared the report with me and she seated

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in the audience.

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So, if we have any questions for her, she can come up.

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We simply had to start off with a really brief history of the property.

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Of course, originally it was part of, within the cultural sphere of the Tumash people.

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And then during the Spanish era there wasn't really much.

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It was really no development in the area.

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It might have been used for grazing or something of that sort.

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It was granted by the Mexican government as part of Rancho La Galita.

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And it was inherited by one of the daughters of the original grantee, Maria Antonio Hill O'Neill.

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There appears to have been no development of the property when she owned it.

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She sold it in some time we think in the 1870s to Ephraim Britain who then sold it to Beverly Hicks.

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Beverly Hicks had moved to California and the Santa Barbara area sometime between 1865 and 1870.

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The property was then inherited by Hicks' daughter Elizabeth Lillard.

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We would, as we noted in the report, Pamela, it was not really possible to find it exactly

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when the house was built and this is not uncommon for houses built in the 1870s in rural areas

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of Santa Barbara County. We did a close examination of the house and it's up on the

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screen here, at least. Could we bring up appendix of B of R report? Is that possible?

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Yes, it'll take a moment.

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Sure.

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Please continue.

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I'll take a couple of minutes.

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I wanted to show a couple of photos, which I'm sure you've all seen when you read

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the report of the existing structure.

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And why Pam and I believe it was built likely.

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It was built sometime between maybe the mid early to mid 1870s.

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And some time in the early 1890s, and it seems like a really big scope of time that it could have been built in.

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But vernacular houses of this type are sometimes very difficult to give a precise date to, because they tend to use traditional methods and architectural detailing that in a more urban area had already sort of passed their prime and weren't being used.

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And here you can see up on the screen a photograph of the south elevation in the front of the house.

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And this is an example of how these houses were adapted over time by their various owners and occupants.

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And you can see that existing porch here, very charming, but we looked at the way it was attached to the house and realized it was an alteration.

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Perhaps in the early 20th century and then it was further altered later in the 20th century.

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The existing front door could we pull up to the next photo please?

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That's just the setting.

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This is the house from the agricultural fields

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to the east of the existing home.

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It goes down slope, houses up at the top,

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very characteristic of this period where the houses are up

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on a raised area of it exists.

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And can we go further here is the west elevation

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this faces towards the fair view.

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And the next one, we'll just go through these quickly.

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this is the wing at the rear of the house. And we believe that this at least in part is a later

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addition alteration. Can we go to the next photo?

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This is a characteristic window type six over six wood sash.

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And this, if we could stop here for a moment, this is the existing state of the state of the chimney, the brick chimney. It had partially collapsed some number of years ago.

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And one of the reasons we think this probably dates maybe before the 1890s, most likely maybe 1870s, 1880s is the it's a balloon framed.

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And these wood planks actually are long enough that they go from the sill all the way up to the top plate of the house.

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And that's something you rarely see by the end of the, by the 1880s or later it sort of has gone out as a construction technique and keep going here.

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I'm sorry, Sheriff, very briefly. I just want to confirm. Did you open the public hearing?

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I'm sorry, please continue.

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Can I continue?

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Yes, please go ahead.

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Thank you. Okay, so he's another shot of the front of the house and we go down. There's another one and we'll go down to the next page

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And you can see the front door and that steps leading up to it. And that's one of the reasons Pam and I'm very sure that this porch was altered

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When this house was built and when it underwent early alterations in the say that early 20th century

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These types of porch is would have that steps would have been out in front and he would have stepped up onto a raised wood porch

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This is not a design feature that would have been found in, say, the 1870s or the 1880s.

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Next, it was good down again, but we could stop here from it.

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This is the existing front door.

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This could be an alteration from either the very late 1880s or 19th century, or more likely sometime

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in the first decade or two of the 20th century, because it has essentially American colonial

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revival sort of motifs there, the way that is organized with the sidelines and the large

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panel door with glazing and this is the north elevation of the house, the window at the base

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is a replacement and also on the east elevation we keep going through the photos if you

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wouldn't mind. There are one more down I think. There we go. This is the porch on the east

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elevation which is definitely not original. You can just tell by the construction technique, the use

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of these, essentially, oversized brackets, keep going down,

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that's just a side view, we can

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go down past that, so another view, probably we had too many photos, I don't know if that's

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possible in historical report, but maybe we did, here's the, I want to point out something

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here, on the second floor, there was originally a sleeping porch, and that was likely something

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added in the first two decades of the 20th century. It's been enclosed, but when you go

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upstairs and go into that room. It is definitely was an exterior room at one point and there's

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a side door. I think what I'll go to now is why, so this is the house. There are no other historic

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buildings on the property. There was a very large barn located just north of the house and it shows

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up until sometime I think in the 1940s or early 50s and then it's gone. We don't know who built it.

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we don't know precisely when it was spelled.

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And so I think what we'll go to now is the first page

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of the plan set.

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I wanted to just summarize why Dr. Post and I believe

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that the project meets the standards.

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We go to the first sheet of the elevations

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of the proposed remodeling, rehabilitation.

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So the existing elevations?

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Yeah, we'll go to existing first

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and I'll just explain where the changes are taking place.

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I mean generally most of this project is a rehabilitation and the house has severe structural

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issues.

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If you are a distortion of the framing and the floors so this definitely not in good condition

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and not only not in good condition but not probably terribly great place to work at the

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moment.

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So this is the existing so you can see each of the elevations and the front of the house

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is the lower right-hand corner. It's that illustration there. So that's existing post-elevation

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please and

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there is the same organization so the front is the

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I should also note that the dormer element above the porch is obviously a later change, probably also the early 20th century.

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And the changes here are to revamp the porch, which is not original. And then to remove one window on the left-hand side of the front door, you can see it to the left there.

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There was a window there and they wanted to put in a door, a French door, to provide access to that front room, which they will be using for some types of events.

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Generally, we like to see few changes to the front of the house, the entry elevation, but we did take into consideration that the house one has been altered a great deal.

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And secondly, that we're cognizant of this sort of programmatic needs of using this as a public space.

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They would need some access points that were more accessible to a wider part of the population.

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The remainder of the changes are pretty from a preservation point relatively innocuous.

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they're really saving almost everything here that's original, they are replacing a window on the

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North Elevation first floor that's not historic, it's a metal frame, it's a vinyl-clad unit,

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and then they want to, and we're supportive of taking the existing port is not

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enhancing the historic character of the building, so we thought that having it redone essentially

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You know, in a fashion that's closer to what you would expect

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to porch to have look like, say, in the early 20th century

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when the house was remodeled at some point.

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So we're a supportive of that.

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Generally, the rebuilding, of course, the rebuilding.

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The chimney is a plus.

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And the windows, it's a maximum extent feasible.

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The plan is to rehabilitate them.

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And if they cannot be rehabilitated, because they're too

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deteriorated to repair, then they will be replaced in kind.

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And that's essentially the philosophy from almost all of the exterior, including the

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siding of siding is rotted, then it will be replaced in kind.

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Under the direction of a city approved historian, they will go out occasionally as the

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project progresses.

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If it is approved and goes forward to make sure that all those preservation elements in the

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report are followed, and that's generally followed at the end by a letter from the consultant

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to the city that confirms that those measures were undertaken and completed and if there

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need to be any changes during construction and that does sometimes happen, that that is

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done in consultation with the city planning staff and a qualified consultant.

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We also, so that's

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And the other is that there's not other pardon.

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That really is a nutshell what's happening to the house.

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There will be some changes around it, but they are not.

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We feel that they're quite acceptable.

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There's a kind of a canopy structure that's going to come off the front of the house that

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will not be used at all times, so it will not, it'll be, essentially, unveralled

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it's needed for use. And currently that area was already revamped about 20 years ago, 15 to 20 years ago,

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and it has decomposed granite, and there's a large cauldron probably from a welling ship out there.

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So what you're seeing there is not a historic landscape, and that's something I should have mentioned,

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that there's some great specifications that are being retained, but there's not a historic landscape around the house.

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like you might find around a farmhouse of that era.

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And also there is a new building nearby that's not really the focus of today,

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but we were that whole area is we felt that that was appropriate.

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You know, just generally it's not appearing the setting of the house.

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It's far enough away.

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And so also in regard to other new construction, I'm not going to detail.

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But one of the standards is, is the project going to impair or affect the setting of the resource in such a way that it's not a longer able to convey its historic appearance associations.

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And in this case, almost all of this new work is far enough away from the house that it's not going to impair the setting and it is quite large property.

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And I should also note that during the Lillard Hicks,

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We'll see the, it was mostly orchards and those had all removed by the 1950s. Some little bit survived later, but then they were removed.

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And I, for fail to mention, of course the House does have also an association with Roger and Cornelio Chapman who started an organic farm there, which was one of the first in Santa Barbara County.

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So that has some historic significance also.

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So I'm here to answer any questions.

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The Commission might have and Pam's over here, too.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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So, commissioners, do we have any questions related

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to the items that are within our purview

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as the Historic Preservation Commission?

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And this is probably more idle curiosity,

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but because it looks like the building is somewhat elevated,

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what's the ADA compliance? How is that integrated into it?

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I would defer to Adam the...

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Everyone, I'm Adam Sharky with Blackbird Architects, with Architects for the...

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Yes, it's raised up about 18 inches from surrounding grades, so we'll part of that porch

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and outdoor landscape improvements will be to make a sloped ability to roll up onto the front porch,

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access the front door and access those new doors that would go into that main,

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of the big ideas the downstairs is a multi-purpose sort of educational

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coming space. There's great within a team. So we want to bring it to you.

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The question is partly informational because I'm such an amateur at this, but on page

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five of the report it says the project will feature or architectural

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decorative elements from other historic properties. And it seemed as if you were

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making conjectures about what those ought to look like. And so I don't quite

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to understand how to distinguish.

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Sure.

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Would you like me to answer that?

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Should I?

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Like me to answer your question?

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Yes, please.

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Usually in preservation perspective,

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conjectural would mean, I think in 1870,

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they had a turret at this end of the building.

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We don't have evidence for it,

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but I'm going to put that on or plans for a building

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that included elements that were never built.

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And so adding things that aren't documented is in conjectural usually refers to just that I think in a sense it's or it would look better if we put a gazebo off one end of the building.

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So that's conjectural, because the Victoria's liked, because he boats, so why doesn't

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a house have a disabled?

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I'm just being hypercised.

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I still don't quite understand how to distinguish, let's say, adding the porch in a certain

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way, if you didn't have evidence for it.

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I mean, how do you say this is conjectural, and this is what we need?

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Yeah, well, in that case, it would be, I think if the historians had said, you know,

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conjectured about what would it been there now.

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As you pointed out, unfortunately, there are virtually no photos of this house.

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And we checked with the Gallaudet Valley Historical Society at UCSP.

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It's sort of our historic museum.

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We're hoping that we could find a photo showing what it looked like before the changes were made.

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So we know, we're confident there was a porch

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because of the way, just the organization

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of the front of the house.

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And at some point, some of that or all of that

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was taken off, but we think they saved like the ceiling

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as beed board, but it doesn't look quite right.

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So we have a, it's a conjecture.

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So, but the materials were salvaged from an older porch

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and some of them were reused.

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But the porch post and it's are not original and certainly the porch would have been, as I noted earlier, elevated.

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Like most Victorian houses you've got three or four steps.

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You up on the porch and then you go to the front door.

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It would be completely anomalous to have a set of steps of budding against the door with, I believe,

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I'm going to correctly break paving around them.

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So it's a it's a it's a gray area and you have to use your best judgment based on the information that we had and we thought that the way

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I believe that they were redoing the porch was respectful of the House. I, of course, ideally there was

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a photo of the front of it because we could put back exactly what was there.

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I mean, it makes sense to me what's proposed. I was just trying to think through.

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No, I don't really mean it because it's rather opaque at times when you need the guidelines and

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you go, well, what does that really mean? How is that? How do you apply that to an actual building?

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Okay. Thank you.

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Any other commissioners for the question?

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Any staff have responses?

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No, at this time, Chair. Thank you.

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So now we'll thank you very much, Tim.

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Mr. Haisel, thank you.

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Appreciate it.

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So now we'll open to the public testimony.

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And I'm just going to remind everyone, again, that the Historic Preservation Commission's review is limited to the Historic Farmhouse portion of the project and whether the project is consistent with the Secretary of Interior standards for the treatment of historic structures.

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Other planning-related items such as parking and traffic, noise and such, is the purview of the Planning Commission which will occur at a later date.

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The HPC will only be commenting on the proposed alterations to the historic farmhouse that Mr.

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Hazel team did a great job in presenting to us.

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Also, the comments are limited to three minutes per person at the discretion of the chair.

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Okay.

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Mr. Good.

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Yes.

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Thank you, Chair.

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For those of you in the Zoom webinar, please use the raised hand icon.

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I will call on you if you wish to speak to this item.

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I have eight in person speaker slips.

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If you're here in person, please hand me a speaker

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card to speak to this item.

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Our first speaker's film, McKenna.

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My name is Film McKenna.

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And I think my comment is,

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Exteraneous to the subject given the narrow scope

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that you've outlined, so I won't make any comment.

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At this time, thank you.

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Thank you, sir.

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Our next speaker is Christopher Cobb.

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Good evening chair and commissioners. My name is Christopher Cobb. I live in the adjacent village terrace community to the site and service association president there.

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I'm speaking tonight regarding the preservation of the historic integrity and agricultural setting of Fairview Gardens.

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While I support the restoration of the farmhouse the applicant site relies on an incomplete accounting of the land.

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The conservation easement mandates the 88% of this land remain in active agricultural production.

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Section 5.1 of that deed explicitly excludes road drainage and native trees from that 88% total.

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Upon reviewing this submitted site plan, it is clear that the yellow shaded agricultural support areas showing on sheet A13 and if that may be brought up that might be helpful.

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are drawn around buildings and parking stalls.

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This means the applicant failed to include the white and main road, the eastern access

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road, and the bridge in their support acreage calculations.

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Under the terms of the easement in the city's standards at space that cannot be farmed.

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Furthermore, the fine print on the lower portion of that sheet will use with approval

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of the lantern.

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The land trust allows the applicant to pour asphalt for a road.

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The land is no longer a tillable soil for some active agricultural production area.

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The provable, because these non-tilable areas have been included in the active agricultural

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production areas.

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So my formal request for the commission finally verified net acreage survey that accurately

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depicts current versus proposed tillable land.

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Brooking utility easements, the creek and buffer zones from the 88% active agricultural

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You'll appreciate it.

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With this calculation, the commission cannot verify if the historic setting is being preserved or overdeveloped.

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Finally, because the map provided does not accurately show the removal of trees.

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We are looking at a plan native trees. We're looking at a plan that underestimates the impact of the farm's historic character.

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I urge you to recommend a return to the Thompson Daily Plan, which I have a copy of and would be happy to share,

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which avoids these infrastructure heavy intrusions entirely. I've submitted a summary of six technical

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requests for the record and we ask that they be addressed in the commission's final findings. Thank you.

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Our next speaker is Linda Cobb.

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You have this information in your envelope. It's my understanding.

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Good evening, Chair and commissioners. My name is Linda Cobb. Our family has lived in a

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property next door to Fairview Gardens since 1987.

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The purpose of the conservation easement

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is to preserve the entire Fairview Gardens parcel,

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which historically was a quiet working farm.

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It is not consistent to preserve the historic farmhouse

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while also proposing to build non-compliant housing

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on the back end of the parcel, which must be obscured from view

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because it's non-historical related.

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While I support the physical restoration of the farmhouse,

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I am concerned that the proposed commercialization

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threatens historic integrity.

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Historically, this farmhouse served as a residence.

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Fairview Gardens is stating a need for housing

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and the best use for this landmark is to maintain its original function as a home.

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Converting it into a commercial cafe is not compatible with the site's history and its agricultural zoning.

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Furthermore, an historic farm is a place of quiet labor, not a venue for amplified sound.

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We are concerned that the transition to a cafe and also the addition of festival space will introduce loud music and speeches into a historically peaceful area.

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The proposed commercial add-ons, such as awnings and outdoor seating areas, would hide the historic architecture of the farmhouse features and its agricultural setting.

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Also, the proposed changing out of doors and sash windows, subtracts from the original historic

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features.

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There is a lack of on-site parking, and that also is a problem.

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My formal request for the commission is this.

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Please require the applicant to maintain the farmhouses, primary residential character,

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and to reject commercial expansions like honines, outdoor cafe seating that degrade the farmhouses agricultural setting.

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The farm should remain a farm, not a commercial facility. This is consistent with the conservation easement.

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And the reason we're concerned about noise is because they have exhibited noise in their events which haven't been legal, but that's what's happened on the property.

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So thank you very much for consideration of our concerns.

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Our next in-person speaker is Larry Cobb,

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but evening chair and commissioners, my name is Larry Cobb.

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I have been a resident on VFUR Elaine since 1987, and the view from my house overlooks the Fairview Gardens farm.

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I appreciate all the considerable effort that's been put into this project.

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However, I am disturbed about the scale, fragmentation of the proposed changes that Fairview

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Garden says is proposing versus the spirit of preservation.

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The scale and placement of the new infrastructure permanently fragments this historic landmark.

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In my opinion, the proposed service barn is unnecessarily large for a 12-acre parcel, and functions more as a commercial hall than a farm building.

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Furthermore, the decision to push housing into the northeast corner, reachable only by a new eastern

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bridge and road, is a modern urban layout that has no historical precedents on this farm,

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violates the spirit of the conservation easement and distributes, or disrupts the historic

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flow of the farm. Every square foot used for this new road and bridge is a square foot of

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historical farm land lost forever. Yet the applicant's current support area calculations

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ignore these roads entirely. My formal request for the commission is this. Please recommend

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the applicant, returned to a plan that clusters the housing development logically near the

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youth library as shown in the approved 2009 pumps and nailer phase five plan. This protects the

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historic spatial relationships of the farm and honors the 88% agriculture mandate by utilizing

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existing bridge free infrastructure. We should not have to hide housing by destroying

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farmable soil and creek side habitat. Thank you for your attention to these

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important matters.

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Our next-in-person speaker is Treve Yang.

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Good evening, Chair

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and commissioners. My name is Treve Yang. My family has owned a property on VFU

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backing up to the farm since 1987. Today I'm speaking on the cumulative impact of this proposal

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on the Fairview Gardens landmark. Why is only the farmhouse being treated as of historical significance?

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The conservation easement of 1997 considered the entire property historic. There's a cumulative

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effect associated with the presence of supplemental buildings and the roads to get to them. This

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results in a loss of integrity and tillable soil for this historic resource that is the

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Fairview Gardens Farm. Specifically the proposed eastern bridge and road are modern interventions

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into a historically intact riparian boundary. Surely this is obvious on map A12 in the North East

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corner, the large orange rectangle labeled as agricultural support area is oversized for the two

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containers that it notes are there.

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If anything that orange rectangle highlights the native trees in the area where staff housing

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is proposed, the document provided by the farm mentions that both an archaeologist and native

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American monitor must be present for ground disturbance, which confirms the sensitivity

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of this area.

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However, the plan fails to address the removal of mature native trees and vegetation required

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to build the bridge and the staff housing.

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These trees are character defining features of the farm historic setting and provide vital

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habitat for nesting owls that have been part of the farm's character for decades.

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You can see the trees and the photos presented by the farm and on the oldest photos in

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Google Earth in 1994, these are all in your packet.

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These native trees are prohibited from removal according to the 1997 conservation easement

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section seven R. Additionally, seven eyes specifies as prohibited the alteration or manipulation

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of water courses with one of the exceptions being wildlife improvement.

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On the Fairview Gardens website, the intention is made clear to re-establish a meandering

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creek zone, complete with rocks and native plants along its full length.

441
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:28,340
All that might be fine, but a meandering creek definitely adds to the area of land that is

442
00:44:28,340 --> 00:44:34,360
not tillable and needs to be excluded from the 88% of land in active agricultural production.

443
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,560
My formal request for the commission is this.

444
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,940
Please recommend a finding of inconsistency for the current layout.

445
00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:46,020
The current plan fails to accurately depict current versus proposed tillable land and ignores

446
00:44:46,020 --> 00:44:48,040
the biological cost of the eastern entrance.

447
00:44:48,540 --> 00:44:54,180
Please direct the applicant to reconsider the approved 2009 Thompson Nailer Plan, which

448
00:44:54,180 --> 00:44:58,820
respected the creek, preserve the trees, and maintain the farm's historic integrity.

449
00:44:59,560 --> 00:44:59,960
Thank you.

450
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,980
Our next-in person speaker is Alan Fenson.

451
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:15,380
Yeah, I think you had a speaker slip, so you can speak if you would like.

452
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:23,000
I deferred my comments relative to your specific limitation.

453
00:45:23,740 --> 00:45:30,200
What I have been hearing are cogent arguments on other issues that are before you.

454
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:42,540
I would ask that you ask speakers to limit their comments to what you, the parameters upon which you have placed for this hearing.

455
00:45:43,420 --> 00:45:44,240
Thank you.

456
00:45:46,210 --> 00:45:46,830
Thank you.

457
00:45:47,770 --> 00:45:49,830
I will just address that real quick.

458
00:45:50,890 --> 00:45:59,810
So, yes, we do try to give some context to the type of comments that are going to be presented to us.

459
00:45:59,810 --> 00:46:02,630
We also cannot control what people say.

460
00:46:03,150 --> 00:46:11,110
I'm not if they want to use their three minutes to present aspects that we cannot address as a HPC.

461
00:46:11,490 --> 00:46:19,090
Although I understand what you're saying, if that's how they want to use their three minutes, I'm actually not going to prevent them from doing so.

462
00:46:19,630 --> 00:46:25,290
But that does not mean that we're taking that into account because as the HPC, you are correct.

463
00:46:25,470 --> 00:46:28,310
There are items that are being brought up that we cannot address.

464
00:46:28,310 --> 00:46:30,910
So, thank you.

465
00:46:32,330 --> 00:46:34,650
Thank you on our next speaker, Alan Fredsen.

466
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,020
Good evening, chair and commissioners.

467
00:46:40,340 --> 00:46:41,620
My name is Alan Franssen.

468
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,180
My wife grew up in a home that backed up to this farm.

469
00:46:46,140 --> 00:46:50,480
So we have a personal investment ensuring this landmark has preserved correctly.

470
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,080
The entire Fairview Gardens property, not just the farmhouse,

471
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,760
is deemed historical according to the conservation easement.

472
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:07,120
This document written 29 years ago, states the property has been formed over the past 100 years.

473
00:47:08,020 --> 00:47:16,040
However, the current site play plan presents a conceptual inconsistency that I believe warrants closer scrutiny.

474
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:25,880
On one hand, the applicant has proposed a barn that is prominently visible as a sufficiently differentiated new feature.

475
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:35,580
Yet simultaneously, they have proposed new staff housing in the Northeast corner with the intent to keep it hidden because it's not compatible.

476
00:47:37,220 --> 00:47:40,640
From a preservation standpoint, this is a concerning admission.

477
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:50,640
Under the Secretary of Interior's standards, new construction is intended to be compatible with a historical character of the site.

478
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:59,080
If a proposed structure must be obscured or tucked away to avoid clashing with the historic setting,

479
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:06,420
it suggests that the design is not yet made the standard of compatibility required for such a significant landmark.

480
00:48:07,380 --> 00:48:14,640
Furthermore, this placement contributes to the net acreage concerns raised earlier by Christopher Cobb,

481
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:24,760
Squeezing residential-style development into the Farms margins still consumes the land protected by the 1997 conservation easement.

482
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,020
Whether that development is visible or not.

483
00:48:28,780 --> 00:48:30,480
My formal request is this.

484
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:35,920
I ask that the Commission required the applicant to develop a site plan,

485
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:44,620
where every proposed structure, including the housing, demonstrates full compatibility with the 1896 farmhouse.

486
00:48:44,620 --> 00:48:51,100
and the agricultural setting. We should not have to hide development on a historic farm.

487
00:48:51,500 --> 00:48:55,840
We should ensure that any new addition honors the integrity of the land.

488
00:48:56,900 --> 00:49:00,180
Thank you for your time and your dedication to our community's history.

489
00:49:02,430 --> 00:49:04,410
Our next then, Perth's because Sunny Hudson.

490
00:49:08,780 --> 00:49:16,160
Good evening, Chair. Commissioner, my speech was concentrated more on the staff housing

491
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:22,460
towards the Northeast corner, so I think I'll just defer to the next hearing when that's applicable.

492
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:24,420
Thank you.

493
00:49:26,970 --> 00:49:31,430
Our last in-person speaker is Firmina Murray, and the last call for those of you on the Zoom

494
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:35,730
Webber who has to speak to this item, please use your hand icon and I will call on you.

495
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:47,560
Good evening, Chair and members of the Commission.

496
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,340
Firmina Murray, I used to serve the Commission.

497
00:49:50,340 --> 00:49:58,420
everybody knows me. I'm here to fully support the report of it isn't just an

498
00:49:58,420 --> 00:49:59,700
excellent lesson report.

499
00:50:00,270 --> 00:50:14,970
That PM and TM did. I also will disclose that I did at the FH-1 report for this house. And at the time it was during COVID and the city of Calcutta did not have the ordinance yet.

500
00:50:14,970 --> 00:50:26,030
So I'm very delighted that this is a being studied thoroughly and it meets all the Secretary of the Interior Standards.

501
00:50:27,630 --> 00:50:41,590
The proposal to alter the building is actually going to restore it and adapt the reuse of the building to so that it can last for another 100 years.

502
00:50:44,110 --> 00:51:00,430
I, I, and the other hand, I share the concerns of the neighbors, even though this is not part of you, but I think it's good to say these things publicly, so when it goes to the next level, people will understand that some of these concerns.

503
00:51:01,950 --> 00:51:07,950
I actually really support that there'll be housing for farm workers.

504
00:51:08,970 --> 00:51:12,510
The example is the stove ranch, La Patera ranch.

505
00:51:12,690 --> 00:51:17,370
It has survived over 150, 2 years because they have workforce housing.

506
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:20,790
They have general multi-generation families live there in work.

507
00:51:22,330 --> 00:51:29,050
But all those housing are also very compatible with, when you enter La Patera ranch, you

508
00:51:29,050 --> 00:51:37,610
know it's a rant. The homes are compatible with that history. And I think all I

509
00:51:37,610 --> 00:51:44,630
leave on the south side of the farm, then very court also right at the edge on the south

510
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:50,430
south side. So anyway, this will go on for the next level, but I think how things should

511
00:51:50,430 --> 00:51:58,950
really reexamine to be compatible with the with the land. Thank you in the historical. Thank you.

512
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:06,860
Okay, we'll now go to our Zoom speakers. Michael Abelman, if you'll please unmute yourself,

513
00:52:07,020 --> 00:52:13,540
you'll have three minutes to speak. Thank you very much, commissioners and all of you who have

514
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:24,440
I am the executive director of the Center for Urban Agriculture, which is the nonprofit that owns the land.

515
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:30,340
I lived in that house with my family for 20 some years, so I'm very, very fond of it.

516
00:52:30,340 --> 00:52:42,660
And I think the plan that our architects and post Hazelstein have helped support is an excellent one to preserve one of the last few

517
00:52:42,660 --> 00:52:49,980
historic farmhouses in the Galeta Valley on one of the last continuously working farms in the

518
00:52:49,980 --> 00:52:58,540
Galeta Valley. And so I think it's an incredible balance between a commitment to the history

519
00:52:58,540 --> 00:53:08,300
of that building and also to preserving it and restoring it which it desperately needs and honoring

520
00:53:08,300 --> 00:53:18,420
our ability to use it into the future. I will say related comment to previous speakers.

521
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:25,020
Myself and John Butney and David Van Horne is the lawyer wrote that conservation easement

522
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:32,980
in the mid-1990s and so I'm quite familiar with the details of it and I would encourage

523
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:39,880
folks to, if you're going to comment on that, to try to understand the details of it because

524
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:46,020
from my perspective what we're doing going forward is totally in line with that document.

525
00:53:48,140 --> 00:53:55,160
And so I think on the housing front, I think that this is an excellent plan. I'm so excited

526
00:53:55,160 --> 00:54:01,400
that it's going to be restored and protected and I appreciate your attention to this matter. Thank you.

527
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,920
I have no more speakers for this item.

528
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,120
Chair, thank you.

529
00:54:10,510 --> 00:54:11,370
Thank you.

530
00:54:13,590 --> 00:54:15,310
I think I'm going to open up.

531
00:54:15,310 --> 00:54:16,550
I do have questions.

532
00:54:17,530 --> 00:54:22,710
I just want to make sure we can ask the applicant and the staff questions, fellow questions.

533
00:54:24,610 --> 00:54:29,810
But I'll open up to my fellow commissioners first to see if you have any questions that you'd like to ask.

534
00:54:37,350 --> 00:54:38,690
No, dear, no pressure.

535
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:44,590
I would just like to point out that our curve view is pretty much on the house as people

536
00:54:44,590 --> 00:54:45,670
pointed out.

537
00:54:45,970 --> 00:54:47,170
And so that's true.

538
00:54:47,810 --> 00:54:49,830
The other commissioner could you please speak into the microphone?

539
00:54:50,910 --> 00:54:51,850
Looking, thank you commissioner.

540
00:54:53,830 --> 00:54:59,810
Looking historically at the property, the entrance in egress is part of the history too.

541
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:06,560
How do you get to the house? How is it developed over the years? If you look back to the middle of

542
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:14,940
50s, the access to that house that we're talking about was on the south side, where the

543
00:55:14,940 --> 00:55:20,140
library is now. And so when they built the library, they moved it over to where Stoke Canyon is now.

544
00:55:20,620 --> 00:55:27,960
So just in terms of the context of the house, it's entrance and egress is part of our concern,

545
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:33,340
more generally involved with the planning commission about how that all works out housing,

546
00:55:33,540 --> 00:55:37,980
but again I'd like to stress that we're kind of out of the business of dealing with the

547
00:55:37,980 --> 00:55:42,120
entrance of the egress and the housing, etc. We're just dealing with the house itself

548
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:49,240
and the historical context of what they're doing. And it seems I walked a property day,

549
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:56,160
I looked at the three ports and it all seems to be pretty much in line with the limited context

550
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,240
to look or do I hear. Thank you.

551
00:55:59,340 --> 00:56:00,380
Thank you.

552
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:00,660
Barbara?

553
00:56:02,140 --> 00:56:02,500
Okay.

554
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:06,220
So I have a few questions for Tim.

555
00:56:13,210 --> 00:56:17,810
So first, and maybe some of these are just yes and no questions.

556
00:56:18,190 --> 00:56:21,250
But I want to address and acknowledge some of the questions.

557
00:56:21,650 --> 00:56:25,010
I do think, again, I'm going to say that some of the comments, although

558
00:56:25,010 --> 00:56:27,690
and absolutely understand concerns,

559
00:56:28,750 --> 00:56:32,470
unfortunately, no matter what our personal feelings are,

560
00:56:32,770 --> 00:56:34,350
they're outside of our purview.

561
00:56:35,450 --> 00:56:38,410
But I do want to ask just a few questions

562
00:56:38,410 --> 00:56:44,110
of our expert, Tim, Mr. Hazelteen, to make sure

563
00:56:44,110 --> 00:56:46,650
that some of these questions are not within our purview.

564
00:56:47,350 --> 00:56:53,150
So, the first one is the use and the agricultural use,

565
00:56:53,150 --> 00:57:04,890
And the general landscape in the setting, would you mind addressing that as far as how that might or might not impact the historic?

566
00:57:05,590 --> 00:57:06,230
Sure.

567
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,360
Let me just thank for a moment.

568
00:57:13,820 --> 00:57:24,320
As far as the agricultural use, I think Ms. Murray pointed out that it was a fairly standard feature of farms of the size to have some sort of satellite buildings.

569
00:57:25,300 --> 00:57:29,580
This one had the large sort of barn structure that we talked about,

570
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:35,700
most of the land until more or less the mids 20th century,

571
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,220
and slightly later was actually much of a was devoted

572
00:57:38,220 --> 00:57:43,640
on the north end orchards, which eventually were removed,

573
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:48,680
the last of them, I think, disappeared maybe 20 years ago or so.

574
00:57:49,300 --> 00:57:51,800
And from a historic preservation perspective,

575
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:56,940
and this is not to say that Native Oaks are not significant and important and should be retained

576
00:57:56,940 --> 00:58:02,620
whenever possible. But when it was an act of farm, from the aerial photos we looked at it,

577
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:09,780
it didn't seem that those oak trees were there. As far as farm use, it's very much a sort of progression,

578
00:58:10,540 --> 00:58:16,600
which is common in the Galeta Valley. When it first started being farmed in a big way in the mid-1860s,

579
00:58:17,940 --> 00:58:24,800
Most of the crops were dry-farm because they hadn't installed wells, so they grew crops

580
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,040
that they didn't have to irrigate.

581
00:58:27,540 --> 00:58:35,340
And then when irrigation came in beginning, essentially, and late 1870s, 1880s, rental

582
00:58:35,340 --> 00:58:39,280
a long-distance operas, and a prime example, where these,

583
00:58:41,740 --> 00:58:43,560
essentially, the still family,

584
00:58:44,780 --> 00:58:52,340
transition to growing orchards of various types of fruit, and then eventually by the first

585
00:58:52,340 --> 00:58:58,300
couple of decades of the 20th century they had transition to lemon orchards from things like

586
00:58:58,300 --> 00:59:04,160
apricots and other fruit and walnuts, which were very, very important crop for many decades

587
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:05,160
in the Galileo Valley.

588
00:59:05,940 --> 00:59:07,500
So when you look at these historic properties,

589
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:09,160
we're looking at them in a sort of a transition.

590
00:59:09,740 --> 00:59:10,560
I mean, there's a progression.

591
00:59:11,620 --> 00:59:13,800
They're rarely the type of crops they grow,

592
00:59:14,380 --> 00:59:16,540
or the appearance of the property remains static.

593
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:21,840
And at this point, it's still agricultural land.

594
00:59:22,420 --> 00:59:24,740
It still contributes to the setting of the historic house

595
00:59:24,740 --> 00:59:26,160
and has this historic value.

596
00:59:26,900 --> 00:59:33,260
But if this is important to say that if you look at that landscape

597
00:59:33,260 --> 00:59:40,400
and he went back to 1890. They were different. Other changes were the channelization of the drainage

598
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:45,000
at the far east end of the property, which is in generalised in concrete. I just can't remember

599
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:51,440
the year that took place, but originally there was a seasonal drainage there. So we're comfortable

600
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:59,960
with, I should say, the changes because the overall property as a whole will

601
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:08,920
Still convey its important theme, which is agriculture, in a sense, the history of agriculture and the

602
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:15,460
glee to valley from its inception and disfarming sometime in the 1870s until the present. And so this

603
01:00:15,460 --> 01:00:21,860
farm is in a way as a very, it's almost a template of how farming changed in the glee to valley, and now it's

604
01:00:21,860 --> 01:00:28,920
not profit, and they are obviously our agricultural focus, but they're also focused on education

605
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:34,160
and issues of that sort of agriculture and the importance of it to the community and sustainable

606
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:35,180
agriculture.

607
01:00:36,100 --> 01:00:39,520
And that's all part of the history of agriculture in the Glee to Valley.

608
01:00:39,980 --> 01:00:44,120
I think I'm going to get a little philosophical here, but that's how we look at the property

609
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:44,740
holistically.

610
01:00:44,740 --> 01:00:53,840
Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. As far as the biological concerns or anything from historic

611
01:00:53,840 --> 01:01:01,720
perspective that you consider would be important to the historic nature of the property.

612
01:01:02,140 --> 01:01:08,040
Continuing at some, not simply, continuing the primary use of property as an agricultural property.

613
01:01:08,540 --> 01:01:12,260
Yeah. There's, well, I'm saying, you know, some of the biological concerns where they're talking

614
01:01:12,260 --> 01:01:15,800
about that dimension, the nesting owls, and things like that.

615
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:21,120
Yeah, that's a part of our previous, I guess, completely cool.

616
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:32,620
I do, I am very curious about, it looks like, first of all, can you explain to us why there

617
01:01:32,620 --> 01:01:41,560
there is no presentation on the housing and the employee housing and the potential impact.

618
01:01:42,660 --> 01:01:44,980
I think I mentioned that but it's very briefly.

619
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:49,240
From our preservation standards, especially on a larger property,

620
01:01:50,500 --> 01:01:58,040
it doesn't maintaining historic integrity does not necessitate freezing a property in time.

621
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:06,960
And it was our conclusion that the placement of the staff housing was supportable because

622
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:14,080
the scale bulk and basing of the buildings was, let's just say, diminutive enough that it

623
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,060
was not affecting the historic character of the property.

624
01:02:17,260 --> 01:02:22,460
I mean, when viewed from the house and the setting of the house, it's also not visible

625
01:02:22,460 --> 01:02:28,740
from Fairview, which is the primary public view of the property if you're not on the parcel itself.

626
01:02:30,620 --> 01:02:36,120
And so we thought, it's our conclusion that that's where we need, when we're doing this

627
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:42,860
preservation analysis, it doesn't necessarily mean that the build, the new buildings have to look

628
01:02:42,860 --> 01:02:51,000
exactly like a farm building from, say, 1910 hypothetically. In fact, we don't want them to look

629
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:55,820
exactly like that, because it creates what they call a false sense of history, which means

630
01:02:55,820 --> 01:02:59,940
you go out to a property and you think, oh, look at all these wonderful historic buildings

631
01:02:59,940 --> 01:03:04,800
and it turns out there's two of them are historic and the others have not been sufficiently

632
01:03:05,660 --> 01:03:12,600
differentiated in materials and design to allow a sort of a visitor to look at that and go that

633
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:17,780
does look different. It shouldn't be so close that you can't tell the difference. On the other hand,

634
01:03:17,780 --> 01:03:20,920
And it doesn't need to sort of have a bullhorn either.

635
01:03:21,380 --> 01:03:23,000
So there's a lot of latitude in that.

636
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:27,860
But we don't want it to look like a group of 1920s farm workers houses,

637
01:03:27,940 --> 01:03:29,720
because they didn't exist in that area.

638
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,020
In fact, we couldn't find much evidence,

639
01:03:33,700 --> 01:03:34,700
except for the large building.

640
01:03:34,820 --> 01:03:36,640
We're not quite sure what it was used for

641
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,980
beyond service and maybe there might have been some housing in it.

642
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,460
So we didn't want to create like a farm workers

643
01:03:43,460 --> 01:03:49,740
on-clave that would be mistaken from something from the historic period of the property.

644
01:03:51,460 --> 01:03:56,080
And then just looking, it looks like there's some screening,

645
01:03:57,060 --> 01:03:59,880
potentially some vegetative screening,

646
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:05,400
screening between trees between the new housing and the...

647
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:05,960
Is that correct?

648
01:04:06,180 --> 01:04:08,540
There's going to be some, I think Adam could speak,

649
01:04:08,540 --> 01:04:12,740
or directly to the exactly how that's being done, if you would like to.

650
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,400
landscape between if you're you're not talking about the farmhouse now you're talking about

651
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:24,800
I'm talking about the new housing the new housing yes there's a landscape between that and the

652
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:26,040
property line okay

653
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,840
chair if I could have some please staff contacts as well to the line of

654
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:39,840
conversation here I think it's important to note and this is something I mentioned in my

655
01:04:40,500 --> 01:04:47,920
opening remarks so that so our historic resources inventory that was generated as part of

656
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:55,720
the larger historic preservation ordinance that we have now, which is great, you know,

657
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,940
focused on the farmhouse in its, in its review in, in reallys.

658
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:10,160
That's the stage for why we're even here at first place. So I think that provides additional contacts as to why we're focusing on the, on the farmhouse. Thank you.

659
01:05:12,940 --> 01:05:21,080
And there's a gentleman I forget his name that he had mentioned the conservation easement. Mr. Highfield, do you have any.

660
01:05:22,140 --> 01:05:24,580
You're able to summarize that, does he mentioned,

661
01:05:28,140 --> 01:05:28,180
or?

662
01:05:28,180 --> 01:05:28,380
Sorry.

663
01:05:28,620 --> 01:05:29,520
It summarized what?

664
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:31,420
About the conservation easement.

665
01:05:31,820 --> 01:05:37,600
And if there's any language in it that relates to the historic nature of the farm house,

666
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:38,340
it sounds like.

667
01:05:38,460 --> 01:05:38,980
You may have.

668
01:05:39,140 --> 01:05:40,700
Yeah, not directly to the farm house.

669
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,500
It's more the property as a whole.

670
01:05:43,540 --> 01:05:43,800
Yes.

671
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:44,620
Thank you.

672
01:05:44,940 --> 01:05:45,180
Thank you.

673
01:05:45,340 --> 01:05:46,080
Good evening, Chair.

674
01:05:46,180 --> 01:05:47,760
I'm Heidi Jones, a land use consultant.

675
01:05:48,580 --> 01:05:50,320
To speak briefly about the conservation easement,

676
01:05:50,860 --> 01:05:53,120
the property is governed by the conservation easement.

677
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,620
And the land trust is the keeper of that easement.

678
01:05:56,300 --> 01:06:00,380
They have deemed our project consistent with that easement on all facets.

679
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:05,020
Every use, every building, everything that is done has to be deemed consistent and they

680
01:06:05,020 --> 01:06:05,780
have done that.

681
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,280
So we feel confident that we are consistent with it.

682
01:06:08,380 --> 01:06:13,780
In terms of historic references in the conservation easement language, I wouldn't think

683
01:06:13,780 --> 01:06:21,380
given this context that we could say that that a statement like that in the document would

684
01:06:21,380 --> 01:06:25,020
provide the historic resources report and that's helpful.

685
01:06:25,620 --> 01:06:26,380
Okay, thank you.

686
01:06:26,660 --> 01:06:28,000
Appreciate that.

687
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:30,120
All right.

688
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:31,300
You have any more questions?

689
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,180
I don't, but did you want to follow up on that or was it?

690
01:06:34,180 --> 01:06:38,180
Well, yeah, I mean, I will follow up very briefly that.

691
01:06:38,420 --> 01:06:43,440
When we have read the conservation easement when we're preparing the report.

692
01:06:44,860 --> 01:06:49,100
When they use the terminology of historic can be used in other types of documents,

693
01:06:49,100 --> 01:06:57,320
like a conservation easement, but it's not used exactly the way a preservation consultant would

694
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:03,480
use it, or in any of the previous studies and apologies for me and I forgot to mention a report

695
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:07,700
and it was also the survey of the leader that was done many years ago that also identified

696
01:07:07,700 --> 01:07:08,740
the house as historical.

697
01:07:11,380 --> 01:07:16,400
But yeah, it's just used in slightly different ways. So historic in that type

698
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:23,540
of a document can mean the historic use of the property rather than in a very broad way usually,

699
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:29,340
unless it's spelled out specifically in sometimes they are in conservation easements, but

700
01:07:29,340 --> 01:07:33,720
that's was our understanding of how that intersected with preservation.

701
01:07:34,580 --> 01:07:37,920
And maybe one last question, maybe either you were Heidi can answer.

702
01:07:39,180 --> 01:07:42,220
Who was there a phase one arc study done?

703
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:52,220
We do not prepare. Thank God. I know you do years ago, but there's a long time ago. So, no, I presume that Heidi could answer that question.

704
01:07:55,250 --> 01:08:03,570
It may not have been a big share. I'm not remembering, Mr. Highfield. If we did a face when our report, you know, a lot of the land has been previously disturbed.

705
01:08:03,830 --> 01:08:04,870
So, that's what I was trying to do.

706
01:08:04,870 --> 01:08:05,490
Thank you, sure.

707
01:08:06,450 --> 01:08:11,110
Exactly. So we would expect standard condition of approval eventually for discovery.

708
01:08:11,110 --> 01:08:21,590
But I think by any fact that everywhere we're touching has been disturbed, I don't recall that we had it's not required is that the case correct, yeah, okay

709
01:08:22,210 --> 01:08:26,570
All right any questions from any of the other yes, Barbara

710
01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:33,430
So I understand the appearance and material considerations taken into the rehabilitation

711
01:08:34,170 --> 01:08:40,750
So viewing more philosophically, can you talk about the integration of the cafe into the home?

712
01:08:42,050 --> 01:08:46,350
Generally from a preservation perspective, it would be considered a adoptive reuse.

713
01:08:47,010 --> 01:08:52,550
So originally it was a farmhouse, and at one point it appears to have also been multi-family

714
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:54,870
farmhouse, but not in a traditional way.

715
01:08:54,990 --> 01:08:58,190
It was just a big building, big house used by perhaps two families.

716
01:08:59,130 --> 01:09:05,890
And then of course, more recently transitioned to part, it was part residential and part

717
01:09:09,390 --> 01:09:21,750
So that use is generally considered supportable because in preservation, sometimes in order for a building to continue in use and to be kept in good repair, it needs to have a function.

718
01:09:22,350 --> 01:09:33,270
And often nowadays you see many types of buildings including churches and schools and hospitals that are preserved using adaptive reuse.

719
01:09:33,270 --> 01:09:42,110
And that, of course, means necessarily almost always have to be some changes to meet current code, accessibility.

720
01:09:43,770 --> 01:09:48,130
But generally, that's considered a benefit if the project meets the standards

721
01:09:48,130 --> 01:09:51,490
and is preserving the resource for the community's future.

722
01:09:52,270 --> 01:09:57,750
So generally, not generally, but almost always, there are very few way back up a moment.

723
01:09:58,010 --> 01:09:59,750
There are very few pure restorations.

724
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:05,220
You probably know. In most cases, there's some level of adaptive reuse.

725
01:10:07,380 --> 01:10:25,300
And I should also point out if the building was used for, like, multi-family housing, because we've done some projects like that over the years, Pam and I, generally it means even more changes, because the building is going to be residential and you have to have a higher bar for safety, access, et cetera.

726
01:10:28,060 --> 01:10:35,400
So, we feel this is beneficial in a way that if it was surely residential for a couple of families,

727
01:10:36,500 --> 01:10:42,620
it would mean many more changes and you might not even be able to save some of the features

728
01:10:42,620 --> 01:10:45,420
because you would need to add more instances of exits.

729
01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:51,960
We would have to have likely another exterior, exterior stair from the second floor, et cetera, et cetera,

730
01:10:52,020 --> 01:10:53,180
as you know.

731
01:10:53,740 --> 01:10:59,680
So, and I know this isn't your purview, but there's, I take a, or a, a potential revenue stream.

732
01:11:00,300 --> 01:11:01,620
That's a lot of your other project.

733
01:11:02,460 --> 01:11:04,200
Barbara definitely outside my purview.

734
01:11:05,660 --> 01:11:05,820
Excellent.

735
01:11:06,300 --> 01:11:08,800
But I think Heidi could answer it.

736
01:11:08,900 --> 01:11:10,320
I did, I did have one question.

737
01:11:11,180 --> 01:11:15,820
Interior, how much of the building is going to be augmented?

738
01:11:16,540 --> 01:11:20,420
Well, I think most of the, many of the inter features are going to be retained.

739
01:11:20,420 --> 01:11:24,680
And it has undergone, if you've been inside, you may have been.

740
01:11:25,260 --> 01:11:30,340
You can definitely see that there have been some alterations, even in this, we'll call

741
01:11:30,340 --> 01:11:34,560
them the public rooms that most houses had, which would be a living room in a dining room

742
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:35,640
in an entry area.

743
01:11:36,100 --> 01:11:42,280
But if you look at them very closely, you can see changes, including to the really idiosyncratic

744
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:47,260
sort of configuration of the staircase, which was a later change that was made,

745
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:50,400
when

746
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:54,800
This is an example of how those houses like moreover time as their uses change somewhat.

747
01:11:56,200 --> 01:12:01,180
Do we know how tall and how big the origin of that barn that was there before?

748
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,680
Unfortunately, all we have is an aerial photos.

749
01:12:05,220 --> 01:12:09,280
That's why we were searching for a photograph of the property because these are kind of

750
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:14,420
estimate and it's outside of the area where you would have a sandboard fire insurance

751
01:12:14,420 --> 01:12:14,680
map.

752
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:14,920
Right.

753
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:24,980
And then the footprint, the building footprint, what's the difference between the old barn and the new.

754
01:12:25,780 --> 01:12:27,920
You know, I don't have that figure in my head right now.

755
01:12:28,460 --> 01:12:37,180
I think the new barn is the new building is slightly larger, but Adam might be able to answer that.

756
01:12:41,290 --> 01:12:43,770
Yeah, we could estimate it.

757
01:12:43,770 --> 01:12:47,250
It was similar, it's sort of a similar aerial.

758
01:12:47,590 --> 01:12:53,890
It's actually quite a large barn, as it was, and it's just kind of a mystery because there's

759
01:12:53,890 --> 01:12:54,650
nothing on it.

760
01:12:54,670 --> 01:12:56,350
It just shows up and then it's gone.

761
01:12:59,180 --> 01:12:59,340
Heidi.

762
01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:01,020
Oh, sure.

763
01:13:01,660 --> 01:13:02,500
Let me share.

764
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:05,440
Hold on one second and then we'll let her finish.

765
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:06,140
Yeah.

766
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:11,240
Chair, just to speak to your question about the cafe being printed to open to the public, it will

767
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:11,520
be.

768
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:15,240
but is intended to be multi-use for culinary programs

769
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:17,980
and for a lot of people that are already on the forum

770
01:13:17,980 --> 01:13:19,560
attending events.

771
01:13:19,980 --> 01:13:21,440
And yes, we're a non-profit.

772
01:13:22,020 --> 01:13:25,460
And as you might guess, farms aren't generating lots of revenues.

773
01:13:26,220 --> 01:13:27,880
So we'll get to get creative in different ways

774
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:29,180
that we can make that happen.

775
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:30,460
Thank you.

776
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:33,240
Quick question.

777
01:13:33,340 --> 01:13:34,980
Look at the plans I've seen here.

778
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:36,040
Can you speak in here?

779
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:36,620
I don't know.

780
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:41,320
I know that there was a suite of residences

781
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:45,640
in the upstairs area of the of the of the reverb house is that true.

782
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:50,900
You mean after it's not the proposed refurbishment?

783
01:13:51,740 --> 01:13:55,620
Yeah upstairs there is some resonance, right?

784
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:58,540
Yeah, it's just a studio, just the one.

785
01:13:58,680 --> 01:13:59,300
So I wasn't sure.

786
01:14:01,500 --> 01:14:04,300
Because my niece lived there about 20 years ago.

787
01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:05,340
To share any photos?

788
01:14:06,180 --> 01:14:06,460
Again.

789
01:14:08,180 --> 01:14:08,820
Sorry.

790
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:17,720
So anyway, she lived there, and I went upstairs, and so you're going to use some part of it for some living purpose.

791
01:14:17,740 --> 01:14:20,840
There'll be a small studio, which would just escape my memory.

792
01:14:22,460 --> 01:14:28,100
And the upstairs, if you've been in there, obviously, if your daughter lived there, and it's quite an idiosyncratically out of rooms,

793
01:14:28,260 --> 01:14:31,840
that if you look at it closely, you can see how rooms have been sort of shifted and moved over.

794
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:35,080
And as I mentioned, there was a sleeping porch on the second floor.

795
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:40,240
they got it closed and then there were windows that was sort of jiggered and moved around a little

796
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:45,980
bit. It's very typical of a farmhouse. It was about 20 years ago and I couldn't do a pop

797
01:14:45,980 --> 01:14:53,340
close right now so I remember being there. Thank you. It was used for farm housing at that point.

798
01:14:53,340 --> 01:14:56,700
Okay. Thank you.

799
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:58,220
Thank you. Thank you.

800
01:14:58,360 --> 01:14:59,760
Thank you. Thank you.

801
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:12,040
So, before I close the public testimony portion, do we have any other questions? Yes.

802
01:15:15,430 --> 01:15:27,040
What exactly questions, part question, part comment. I certainly understand our job is to think about the historical aspects of this project.

803
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:31,700
and most certainly the house is the central item,

804
01:15:31,860 --> 01:15:34,940
but I do appreciate the statements

805
01:15:34,940 --> 01:15:38,620
that this is a large property that's being preserved

806
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:41,940
for largely for its historic value.

807
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:47,260
And so that I think it, I feel like it should be within my purview

808
01:15:47,260 --> 01:15:51,440
as a member of this committee to think about the use

809
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:57,020
of the whole property in terms of its historic value.

810
01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:03,220
value. So this is just kind of a comment. I think in part of the way I'm thinking about

811
01:16:03,220 --> 01:16:11,440
my role here, that seems to make sense. It's really not just the house, but the properties

812
01:16:11,440 --> 01:16:13,740
would come within our purview.

813
01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:21,700
I'm finding it very complex, of course, in the thinking

814
01:16:21,700 --> 01:16:26,030
through it all today, but anyhow, this is just one issue. I wanted to bring up.

815
01:16:27,100 --> 01:16:27,980
Thank you.

816
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:37,040
Chair, I have a request. Michael Abelman is on the only

817
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:41,720
executive director. He's asking if he can make one additional comment and response to some of the

818
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:46,300
questions. We haven't closed the public hearing, that's okay, right? Yep, okay. Okay, thank you.

819
01:16:48,660 --> 01:16:51,640
Is this part of the applicant's 15 minutes? The year of one minute remaining?

820
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:52,800
Okay.

821
01:16:54,440 --> 01:16:56,180
Can you re can he hear?

822
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:57,360
Yes, can you hear my friend.

823
01:16:57,820 --> 01:16:57,920
Yeah.

824
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:04,820
Okay, Michael, your unmuted.

825
01:17:05,020 --> 01:17:05,500
You have one minute.

826
01:17:05,660 --> 01:17:06,360
Go ahead.

827
01:17:07,060 --> 01:17:07,840
Yeah, thanks very much.

828
01:17:07,980 --> 01:17:15,880
I just I think it's important from context perspective to remember that for the 20 some years that I lived and farmed there.

829
01:17:16,820 --> 01:17:19,320
That land was zone for 52 condominiums.

830
01:17:19,940 --> 01:17:23,040
And the formation of the nonprofit, which I did in the community,

831
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:29,300
coming together to raise a staggering amount of money to save it and the conservation easement.

832
01:17:30,140 --> 01:17:35,400
We're all allowed that place to be preserved as one of Galita's last historic farms.

833
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:40,120
What we're doing now is in fact bringing back more history.

834
01:17:40,860 --> 01:17:47,320
The land will be formed in a dry farm manner as was historically the case way back when.

835
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:59,060
And all of the infrastructure that we are improving, and adding our essential for the operation of that farm in the context that it sits.

836
01:17:59,500 --> 01:18:04,140
There's one of the reasons that hasn't been able to operate is because it hasn't had the facilities.

837
01:18:05,740 --> 01:18:22,780
And the policy forces critical so that's all I just I think it's important to understand that you know have that effort not been made in the late 1990s that land would be 52 condominiums.

838
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:23,600
Thank you.

839
01:18:23,700 --> 01:18:24,780
Thank you.

840
01:18:28,060 --> 01:18:30,000
Any other comments before?

841
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:38,120
Now I want to say that I appreciate the fact that we're focusing on preserving the historical

842
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:44,900
value of the house itself, but I really appreciate that the public comments brought up

843
01:18:44,900 --> 01:18:49,740
the issue that it is not just the house, that historic, it is the entire property.

844
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:58,260
And I think we need to really consider that as a main part of the preservation that we do

845
01:18:58,260 --> 01:19:05,940
here. We will be focusing on the house, but I think we need to broaden that to include the

846
01:19:05,940 --> 01:19:17,600
entire property as historic. I remember after moving here in the 1990 that the National

847
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:24,200
Geographic actually had an article where they featured this farm and as one of the last

848
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:30,440
urban farms, and it was a very complete article,

849
01:19:32,580 --> 01:19:34,640
and they did a lot of history on it, and

850
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:40,680
that was done by the National Geographic, and it was featured in that issue, and that

851
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:46,200
was in the 1990s. And then maybe that also brought about this whole commission that came

852
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:53,260
about to preserve this rather than go to condominiums. So I think we need to continue

853
01:19:53,260 --> 01:19:59,940
considering the entire farm as a historic and in real.

854
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:13,540
Please give the entire farm the historical relevance that it presents here as one of the last urban farms in this community.

855
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:15,460
Thank you.

856
01:20:16,060 --> 01:20:18,100
In chair activity, if I may just want to.

857
01:20:19,260 --> 01:20:27,140
So, as mentioned today, in terms of our inventory that we conducted in April of 2022, we passed a historic resource

858
01:20:27,140 --> 01:20:30,960
formed in some of the inventory of all the potential sites.

859
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:34,240
And as city council nominated this site,

860
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:37,180
but in particular this site, it was only the house.

861
01:20:37,860 --> 01:20:41,220
And so, as of right now, the property itself

862
01:20:41,220 --> 01:20:43,940
hasn't been nominated for historical use.

863
01:20:44,060 --> 01:20:46,480
It's not identified as a historical use.

864
01:20:47,260 --> 01:20:49,600
That's the conservation easement.

865
01:20:50,220 --> 01:20:51,620
That's the eggland.

866
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:54,360
On that proper property right now,

867
01:20:54,500 --> 01:20:55,880
and for the topic of this conversation,

868
01:20:55,880 --> 01:21:04,120
is only the farmhouse. Thank you. So just to remind her there. So just to be clear.

869
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:10,080
Oh, Lisa. Miss, I'm sorry. Miss Prassie.

870
01:21:11,820 --> 01:21:18,380
Good evening, chair and commissioners. I was just going to misdemean except what I was going to say

871
01:21:18,380 --> 01:21:25,260
like it is the only thing that has been placed on historic resources inventory is the farmhouse.

872
01:21:27,860 --> 01:21:32,160
Thank you. Thank you. That's helpful. Yes.

873
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:48,020
Question for Mr. Memic is there when you go to the planning commission, you know, you go through all of the sequence and all of the things that you have to go through is there not a historical component of the planning commission.

874
01:21:48,020 --> 01:21:51,500
Right, that's part of the correct as part of the legal analysis.

875
01:21:52,140 --> 01:22:00,440
All into the purview of the planning commission and we are limited to the architectural status of the house itself.

876
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:06,320
Although this is all very interesting, but there is a historical component of the planning commission.

877
01:22:07,020 --> 01:22:07,740
Thank you.

878
01:22:10,180 --> 01:22:12,740
So I actually have a question along that line.

879
01:22:14,140 --> 01:22:23,740
So when Mr. Hazelstein and Dr. Post were assessing the property, was it limited to the building

880
01:22:23,740 --> 01:22:30,400
or was there, can I ask, since we were still, yep.

881
01:22:30,900 --> 01:22:32,680
Yeah, maybe I'll start off there.

882
01:22:33,820 --> 01:22:39,060
But yeah, you know, given this property has a historic resource on site, which is the

883
01:22:39,060 --> 01:22:47,340
house, that was the core information that we needed as part of this study, right? So in particular,

884
01:22:47,340 --> 01:22:53,400
the primary information in the study wasn't related to the conservation easement, wasn't related

885
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:58,920
to the eggland, as a historic resource, they had to conduct, just on the historic resource.

886
01:22:59,100 --> 01:23:07,120
Thank you. And my understanding, so I am, you might as well step up because I'm going to ask you

887
01:23:09,780 --> 01:23:15,120
For those that are in the audience, I'm a professional archaeologist, so I do understand

888
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:16,780
Secretary of Interior standards.

889
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:22,520
I just like Mr. Hazel Timo say he's not going to do archaeological investigations anymore.

890
01:23:22,700 --> 01:23:29,520
I would not do an architectural history or serve as an architectural historian, but I do

891
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:36,320
know that part of understanding the structure and his structure, you do need to consider

892
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:43,680
the setting of the structure, so if you could just speak to that as it relates to the land itself.

893
01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:51,380
Sure. And in fact, in the report, when we applied the, well, one is if you review the historical overview

894
01:23:51,380 --> 01:24:00,040
and sort of chronology of changes and alterations to the property, we provide a very, as detailed as was possible with the information.

895
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:03,660
when things took place, how they changed it.

896
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:07,280
And that information was relevant to us applying standards.

897
01:24:08,980 --> 01:24:11,700
And we did apply the standards for setting.

898
01:24:13,620 --> 01:24:16,240
And as we noted in the report,

899
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:17,900
and as I mentioned earlier,

900
01:24:19,380 --> 01:24:22,080
the placement of the new buildings and their overall scale

901
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:25,000
bulk and basing met the standards,

902
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:28,380
which means they weren't placed so close to a historic building

903
01:24:28,380 --> 01:24:30,180
that they were going to impair the setting.

904
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:34,200
It weren't placed in a way that blocked the view

905
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:37,600
of the setting from the house,

906
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,320
a few were standing in the house or around the house.

907
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:45,660
And the overall, I'll say, apart, I did some repeating myself.

908
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:47,020
It's skill, bulk and massing.

909
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:47,800
They're appropriate.

910
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:54,280
They're not introducing materials like maybe it could be

911
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:57,180
something that was very, like aggressively modernist.

912
01:24:57,180 --> 01:24:58,920
Let's see, Spanish, Colina Revival.

913
01:24:59,700 --> 01:24:59,940
So...

914
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:13,300
The overall appearance of the buildings and their placement in the context of the historic house and its setting did not reach a point that it would create, would impair the resource.

915
01:25:13,420 --> 01:25:15,180
Okay, thank you.

916
01:25:15,220 --> 01:25:16,100
I don't know if that made sense.

917
01:25:16,180 --> 01:25:29,200
That's exactly what I was asking, just because I do think it's important, you know, our role as the commission is to also explain why we make the decisions that we do.

918
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:35,960
what we're looking at and the purview of what we're looking at and why yours, what the purview of

919
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:41,560
your job as the architectural story and it's important to understand that because then also I think

920
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:47,400
it also gives the public an opportunity to understand what their purview is and if they don't agree

921
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:54,640
with a project in which way they can do that in in a successful or at least give themselves

922
01:25:54,640 --> 01:26:01,080
of that shot. So I just wanted to make sure that everyone understood that what we're looking

923
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:06,400
at is the structure, the historic nature of the structure, and the potential impacts, whether

924
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:13,400
it's be the actual direct impact or the indirect impact by the surrounding structures that

925
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:22,060
are proposed to be built. So. Thank you, Chair. All right. Any other before I close the public testimony

926
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:36,060
it's fun with me. I don't think I'm okay with that but I think he spoke maybe

927
01:26:36,060 --> 01:26:39,920
well we've put two minutes up. Sure, and in that case we do have Steve Nelson

928
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:44,180
who also has his hand up so I'm going to take other public speakers. Okay.

929
01:26:44,220 --> 01:26:47,700
So Jeff, a close to public testimony. I have it. All right. So let's give

930
01:26:47,700 --> 01:26:52,340
what's your name? Sonny. Sonny. Yes. Sonny has him. Two minutes. Thank you very much.

931
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:56,760
Yeah. I said what I said with the assumption and the understanding of their

932
01:26:56,760 --> 01:27:00,080
will be a future hearing specifically on staff housing? Is that correct?

933
01:27:01,900 --> 01:27:05,220
Yeah, that would be plan and commission, right?

934
01:27:05,900 --> 01:27:11,920
Correct. Correct, yes. Okay. And then also, is there a time in which that the people

935
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:16,960
who are for the project versus the people who are have concerns about the projects have

936
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:23,200
more equal time to give their their their their statement? It seems that people like

937
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:29,180
myself up here and stress to try and get out what you have to say within three minutes versus

938
01:27:29,180 --> 01:27:34,960
someone who can get up and calmly elaborate and go on and on about the positive nature of

939
01:27:35,420 --> 01:27:41,040
you know why it should all go well. So this is my first. Yes I understand and I'm going to give

940
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:50,460
just my comment on that and just correct me if I'm so you know the way the system works is that

941
01:27:50,460 --> 01:27:58,880
The applicant has the 15 minutes to present, and if they use those 15 minutes, that's been

942
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:00,200
they've been, Mr.

943
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:04,060
Our clerk has been watching the time.

944
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:09,460
Now our questions, we have that been asking questions, because we want to make sure that we

945
01:28:09,460 --> 01:28:13,940
are making the best decision that we can within our purview.

946
01:28:14,460 --> 01:28:18,500
So it may seem that they got a little bit more time, but that was because we had questions

947
01:28:18,500 --> 01:28:22,220
that we really were legitimately asking of an expert.

948
01:28:23,820 --> 01:28:25,560
And some of the questions I asked,

949
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,280
I knew some of the answers too,

950
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:29,660
but I wanted to make sure that everybody understood

951
01:28:29,660 --> 01:28:31,180
what our purview is,

952
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:33,100
and also wanted to make sure,

953
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:36,660
because we're all come from different backgrounds,

954
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:38,160
and all of us are professional.

955
01:28:38,480 --> 01:28:39,760
So I think it's important.

956
01:28:40,420 --> 01:28:42,060
And ultimately, it's important

957
01:28:42,060 --> 01:28:45,100
that we're making a decision based on the law,

958
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:48,280
the rule of law, and what we're required.

959
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:56,600
And what is like Secretary of Interior standards like Mr. Hazel teen spoke about so it might seem like they get more time

960
01:28:56,600 --> 01:29:02,580
But a lot of it is just clarification and then also I will say personally

961
01:29:02,580 --> 01:29:09,000
All the comments that were sent. I took the time to read those comments every single one of them

962
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:12,240
And you know as a community member myself

963
01:29:13,620 --> 01:29:16,320
I'm very sympathetic, but there's so much of it.

964
01:29:16,660 --> 01:29:18,860
It has totally outside of our purview.

965
01:29:19,500 --> 01:29:21,880
So I do encourage everyone to definitely

966
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:25,500
find these other avenues of speaking about the project.

967
01:29:26,300 --> 01:29:29,720
That are within the purview of some of your concerns that we cannot deal with.

968
01:29:29,940 --> 01:29:30,660
It makes good sense.

969
01:29:31,180 --> 01:29:33,080
I'm missing the timer for there.

970
01:29:33,100 --> 01:29:33,540
There are other things.

971
01:29:33,780 --> 01:29:36,800
But like you said, in whole it was a 15 minute presentation.

972
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:38,320
I think it was fair.

973
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:40,000
We did ask a lot of questions.

974
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:59,180
My neighbors. I'm a resident of 20 years on VFU or so. And my neighbors were able to obviously tie in the staff housing to the main farmhouse a bit, but mine was more directly specific to the staff housing and the north east. So I just wanted to respect that. Thank you.

975
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,780
I think you'll be able to address.

976
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:04,100
Yeah.

977
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:06,060
Chairman David, thank you for answering this question.

978
01:30:07,060 --> 01:30:08,100
Yeah, you were correct, right?

979
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:10,420
So the applicant had a few minutes.

980
01:30:10,540 --> 01:30:12,040
I included the rebuttal.

981
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:15,260
The clerics office did time that.

982
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:17,980
And then given the questions, obviously, you had a question for the applicant.

983
01:30:19,440 --> 01:30:23,500
And they have the ability to answer that question to the degree that you wish.

984
01:30:24,980 --> 01:30:32,280
And then, yeah, I think bringing it up in terms of the next steps after this, after decision is made here this evening.

985
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:45,300
And there are multiple public hearings that members of the public will have the ability to address, you know, more broad planning concerns like traffic and housing and noise, etc.

986
01:30:45,980 --> 01:30:51,380
So those public hearings will occur. This project will go to the design review board as well as the planning commission.

987
01:30:51,380 --> 01:30:56,160
Yeah. Sounds great. I look forward to attending reading. Thank you very much.

988
01:30:58,530 --> 01:30:58,770
Okay.

989
01:30:59,150 --> 01:31:04,410
Do I have Steve Nelson, I'll just have a seat. Steve Nelson, if you please unmute yourself, you'll have three minutes to speak.

990
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:12,600
Hi. This is Janet Walker. I'm sitting here right next to Steve Nelson, who is my husband.

991
01:31:13,140 --> 01:31:18,480
And I would really appreciate the opportunity to chime in in this conversation.

992
01:31:18,480 --> 01:31:26,800
I was very interested in the discussion of the historic farmhouse and I am going to

993
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:33,880
confine myself to that. Some of the points that Mr. Hazelstein brought up were quite interesting

994
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:40,800
such as steps going up to a porch and not steps leading right into the farmhouse. So that all

995
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:48,440
seems to be quite interesting valuable with a great deal of potential. But then this issue of adaptive

996
01:31:48,440 --> 01:31:56,020
reuse is your main to the restoration of the farmhouse itself. So there's the cafe, and then I think

997
01:31:56,020 --> 01:32:02,380
there was an awning over a patio, but then in the conditional use permit application itself,

998
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:10,760
there was a discussion of the cultivation of the event space. And the take it was discussed that

999
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:17,500
it would be quite a few events, and I think the words large was used, although I may be mistaken

1000
01:32:17,500 --> 01:32:23,600
on that. But I do think it was there. And so then if you have large, then you need amplification

1001
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:31,980
and so on. So it seems like the farmhouse and its restoration is being prepared for conditional

1002
01:32:31,980 --> 01:32:40,200
reuse. But that reuse is radiating beyond the building itself and maybe even beyond the

1003
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:48,600
where the cafe would be. So I guess I'm noticing a contradiction between focusing on the house

1004
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:58,140
of the house, but then all these other implications that the restoration of the house is intended

1005
01:32:58,140 --> 01:33:05,780
to enable. And those are my concern as a neighbor of the farm. If there are going to be these gatherings

1006
01:33:05,780 --> 01:33:10,160
which the restoration is facilitating.

1007
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:15,080
Oh, well, you saw something like that.

1008
01:33:15,140 --> 01:33:15,800
Okay, one way.

1009
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:16,220
Yeah, you can look.

1010
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:17,640
Okay, thanks.

1011
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:20,020
So what is their nature?

1012
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:24,860
And at what point will, you know, the immediate premises

1013
01:33:24,860 --> 01:33:29,900
around the farmhouse say what would have been the farm yard?

1014
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:35,060
At what point will those large events be?

1015
01:33:35,060 --> 01:33:40,520
the numerator discussed for the permitting process.

1016
01:33:41,780 --> 01:33:50,860
So how does the farmhouse conditional adaptive reuse and then all these other proposals fit together?

1017
01:33:51,700 --> 01:34:01,440
I guess that is my question because I don't feel I currently have enough information about all that to think through the issue of the building.

1018
01:34:03,780 --> 01:34:09,500
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. You're welcome, Mr. Mimik. Can you address that?

1019
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:14,320
Chairman, David. Thank you. So yeah, the use question specifically, you know, the application is a

1020
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:20,640
conditional use permit. And so the review authority is the planning commission. So those use questions, those

1021
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:25,540
conditional use stuff of questions as well as those broader planning questions and use

1022
01:34:25,540 --> 01:34:29,460
questions will be the purview of the planning commission. Thank you.

1023
01:34:29,460 --> 01:34:33,300
Is there any one who can different, excuse me, my allergies?

1024
01:34:35,740 --> 01:34:41,640
Is there any one who can differentiate between what the house is going to be used for versus the other proposed structure?

1025
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:45,680
Because I gather there's there's two separate things going on there.

1026
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:48,620
So yeah.

1027
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:50,720
Thank you Vice Chair Re-liner.

1028
01:34:52,020 --> 01:34:56,940
So you know, I've stated in the staff report as well as in the, our presentation as well as the applicant's presentation.

1029
01:34:56,940 --> 01:34:59,960
and so pursuant to you the Secretary of Interest.

1030
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:29,860
And there's this is a rehabilitation project, right? And so as part of that rehabilitation process to rehabilitate, not necessarily the initial use or the compatible use, right? And so again, this is question more is CUP, conditional use permit and planning commission per view, but in terms of rehabilitation of a project, you know, consistent with the Secretary of Interstate Interior Standards, we're looking for a compatible use.

1031
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:38,300
Right? In terms of our discretion, you know, an associate used use along with, you know,

1032
01:35:38,700 --> 01:35:41,320
arm, educational, you know, workshops,

1033
01:35:44,060 --> 01:35:45,660
that's obviously what the applicant is going for

1034
01:35:45,660 --> 01:35:46,860
that associate use.

1035
01:35:49,010 --> 01:35:53,990
I don't think I asked my question. Well, my understanding is the cafe is part of the house,

1036
01:35:54,990 --> 01:36:00,230
but there might be another structure that would potentially have the option of holding

1037
01:36:00,230 --> 01:36:02,690
larger gatherings that I understand that correctly.

1038
01:36:02,930 --> 01:36:10,290
That's why I think we may be, I'm just, there may be a mixing of understanding what

1039
01:36:10,290 --> 01:36:14,870
the house might be adaptive used for versus.

1040
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:17,320
So adaptive.

1041
01:36:17,620 --> 01:36:18,180
Chair McDivit.

1042
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:24,280
I didn't notice we have a Lisa Prossi complaining manager online as well.

1043
01:36:26,140 --> 01:36:26,760
Hi.

1044
01:36:26,780 --> 01:36:27,280
Good evening.

1045
01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:35,560
So, Commissioner Villender, yes, there is another structure proposed on the property and I think Mr.

1046
01:36:35,660 --> 01:36:44,660
Highfield could probably respond to that in terms of what that structure is going to be or is what is proposed for the uses of that structure.

1047
01:36:45,220 --> 01:36:56,120
But what I believe was described by, sorry, I'm blanking, by the applicant's team.

1048
01:36:56,120 --> 01:37:02,080
of what was going to occur in the house with the other, with the function said, been described tonight.

1049
01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:05,200
That is what's proposed within Mr. Mimics said.

1050
01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:08,160
That would be actually how it gets used.

1051
01:37:08,340 --> 01:37:16,140
We'll be a decision for the planning commission when they consider the conditional use permit.

1052
01:37:16,500 --> 01:37:20,480
And I just wanted to say, this is exactly similar, exactly.

1053
01:37:20,480 --> 01:37:28,720
but very similar to the conversation you had two months ago about the adaptive reuse of the

1054
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:36,320
Barnes-Sau Rio Grand Gas Station, how they were and that's going to be converted to become part of

1055
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:44,720
at San Piper and if the public who is in the audience, if you want to observe planning commission is going to

1056
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:48,540
that are the sample type or item next Monday night.

1057
01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:54,840
So they will be looking not only at how it's adaptively

1058
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:58,460
reused and repurposed, but in the larger context.

1059
01:37:58,860 --> 01:38:03,280
So I just wanted to share that this is not something unusual.

1060
01:38:04,180 --> 01:38:05,800
And hopefully I've answered the question,

1061
01:38:06,020 --> 01:38:09,160
and maybe Mr. mimicking explain more about the other building

1062
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:10,820
that is proposed with the project.

1063
01:38:11,020 --> 01:38:11,920
Thank you.

1064
01:38:14,220 --> 01:38:20,100
chair and commissioners I can share the site plan so we can sometimes a picture is better.

1065
01:38:24,740 --> 01:38:29,520
So this is the site plan that we were looking at earlier zoomed in a little bit. So the farmhouse is

1066
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:36,480
towards the bottom of the screen and then the proposed multi-function barn is to the north.

1067
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:44,300
The proposal proposed use for the new multifunction barn is multi-function.

1068
01:38:46,940 --> 01:38:47,460
There's a

1069
01:38:47,460 --> 01:38:55,640
space, there's a proposed commercial kitchen, there's dry goods storage, there's refrigerated

1070
01:38:55,640 --> 01:39:05,900
storage, there's more storage on a on a masonine or moft area above. So it truly is a multi-function

1071
01:39:05,900 --> 01:39:12,880
space as the name would imply. So I hope that helps provide some additional context there.

1072
01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:41,470
Okay, so I think I'm gonna, I think we've, we've had our fill of, okay, questions and okay, so I'm going to close the public testimony portion of the hearing and thank everyone who has taken the time to come here and make your comments and ask questions.

1073
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:07,680
And for the project staff also, thank you for taking your time to answer them diligently.

1074
01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:13,760
So, the next step is commission deliberations and comments.

1075
01:40:14,660 --> 01:40:25,880
So, I think this is just an opportunity for each of us to, I think a lot of us have already said some portions, but to give an overview of what our thoughts are.

1076
01:40:27,540 --> 01:40:34,660
And even ask each other questions or deliver it so that we can decide whether or not we're going to make a motion.

1077
01:40:36,970 --> 01:40:39,510
I'm going to open that up to my fellow commissioners.

1078
01:40:50,940 --> 01:40:51,500
Okay.

1079
01:40:51,680 --> 01:41:03,180
I just wanted to get a little more clarification of preservation of the House exterior and also the interior of the House.

1080
01:41:03,180 --> 01:41:08,580
And I understand that there's going to be multi-user

1081
01:41:09,140 --> 01:41:15,200
on the inside of either office building, office space and kitchen area,

1082
01:41:15,420 --> 01:41:19,440
and that sort of thing, which I don't have a problem with, because

1083
01:41:19,440 --> 01:41:24,760
but will the interior of the house still maintain its historic look?

1084
01:41:25,540 --> 01:41:30,200
And I'm just concerned that it's just going to be dry walled in white wash,

1085
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:35,040
And I would like to see that the interior of the house

1086
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:39,440
does have some integrity for its historic value.

1087
01:41:40,440 --> 01:41:45,000
My understanding from our questions to Mr. Hazelteen

1088
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:52,860
and Mr. Highfield is that very little change

1089
01:41:52,860 --> 01:41:54,960
inside the house is going to occur.

1090
01:41:55,700 --> 01:42:02,760
this is going to be refurbished to the extent that they can, that there are some portions

1091
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:07,020
that may not be able to be rehabilitated.

1092
01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:14,200
I think I remember Mr. Hazelstein saying that they were going to keep the windows and there

1093
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:21,460
was going to be some change to the door, but the door was not, you know, the elements that

1094
01:42:21,460 --> 01:42:26,340
going to be changed for not consistent with the original look anyway,

1095
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:31,460
so to me it sounds like

1096
01:42:31,460 --> 01:42:40,400
the farmhouse is going to stay in a practical way as practically as it can in as historic

1097
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:41,680
in Asia as it can.

1098
01:42:43,210 --> 01:42:51,150
I'm using like like materials when available things like that and from what I agree my understanding

1099
01:42:51,150 --> 01:42:57,950
was that they aren't aiming to wide-washing anything inside and they want to retain as much as possible

1100
01:42:57,950 --> 01:43:01,870
of these existing structure moldings, things like that.

1101
01:43:02,390 --> 01:43:08,410
And in the other, I know that we were given so much to go over, but just to point to the summary

1102
01:43:08,410 --> 01:43:15,170
and conclusions of the post and Hazelton report, it does say that it's recommended that a historic

1103
01:43:15,170 --> 01:43:20,750
preservation treatment plan for the farmhouse prepared to guide its rehabilitation after the

1104
01:43:20,750 --> 01:43:23,470
project has received, conceptual design approval.

1105
01:43:23,810 --> 01:43:28,270
So if it is approved, the project is approved and is going to move forward.

1106
01:43:28,850 --> 01:43:35,590
One of the mitigations I would consider a mitigation is to a qualified architectural

1107
01:43:35,590 --> 01:43:42,950
story and will create a treatment plan that will make sure that the historic structure

1108
01:43:42,950 --> 01:43:49,210
will retain its characteristics as much as possible.

1109
01:43:49,210 --> 01:43:56,830
So, and that's, I know that is there to preserve the house and elements of the house that are historic as much as possible.

1110
01:43:57,510 --> 01:44:13,990
So, to me, you know, as, and that's why we use qualified architectural historians or qualified archaeologists so that they number one are bound by ethics of their profession to do the right thing for the historic structure and number two that they actually know what that means.

1111
01:44:13,990 --> 01:44:19,530
they know how to create a plan to make sure that the structure retains its historic nature,

1112
01:44:20,230 --> 01:44:22,410
as much as possible. It's much as practical.

1113
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:32,580
Any other? I just think, if I understand correctly,

1114
01:44:33,380 --> 01:44:40,160
yes, they are going to have a cafe. I'm sure we can move closer to them. I understand they are

1115
01:44:40,160 --> 01:44:47,020
I'm going to have a cafe in the house and I understand the adaptive use need for that.

1116
01:44:47,580 --> 01:44:53,500
I mean, I think that, and I, and this is, again, I'm stepping outside our purview,

1117
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:59,960
but I understand the community, especially the neighbors around there, they're concerned about no-

1118
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:12,920
I always traffic things like that. But if I understand correctly, what is going to be done to the House is somewhat limited. It has an educational component, the teaching kitchen, things like that.

1119
01:45:13,620 --> 01:45:22,360
So from that perspective, and I think some of the other large usage is might be in a subsequent building, I find it appropriate.

1120
01:45:22,360 --> 01:45:27,680
we've taken into account the materials, the appearance of the structure, the rehabilitation

1121
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:35,040
consideration, outside and inside. To me, it seems like a reasonable proposal.

1122
01:45:39,480 --> 01:45:44,360
Anyone else want to make a comment? Or deliberate?

1123
01:45:48,300 --> 01:46:07,540
I think I agree that the terms of what's going to be done with the house that it's a reasonable amount of change in order to keep it functioning and I think that's quite good.

1124
01:46:07,540 --> 01:46:14,460
I, this is kind of a totally separate random thought, which I probably should have made earlier,

1125
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:21,500
but I presume when they repair the house and it's going to be largely taken apart,

1126
01:46:21,580 --> 01:46:25,620
because it's in such bad shape in order to be able to reconstruct it.

1127
01:46:25,780 --> 01:46:33,580
At that point, they may learn a lot of things about the way the house was originally made

1128
01:46:33,580 --> 01:46:38,780
possibly where the porch was or how it was constructed and all of these things, hiding

1129
01:46:38,780 --> 01:46:47,800
behind the clap boards. But I certainly, I think the plan has to be to some degree adaptable

1130
01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:53,100
to the new knowledge that will be gained when it's under reconstruction.

1131
01:46:55,260 --> 01:46:56,480
So it's just a small

1132
01:46:56,480 --> 01:46:56,780
thought.

1133
01:46:57,240 --> 01:47:03,220
Again, I'm limited with my knowledge of architectural historians work, but I do know that there

1134
01:47:03,220 --> 01:47:07,060
some element to a sort of preservation plan that does allow for that.

1135
01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:08,000
Yep, flexibility.

1136
01:47:09,780 --> 01:47:10,120
All right.

1137
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:11,380
Any others?

1138
01:47:13,160 --> 01:47:13,360
Okay.

1139
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:17,120
I just, I'll finish off with my comments.

1140
01:47:18,340 --> 01:47:32,540
Again, you know, I do sympathize certainly with everyone that has some issues with, with the use or no ways or any other kind of concerns that have been brought up today.

1141
01:47:32,540 --> 01:47:41,980
I will say that, you know, our purview is limited to the historic nature of that farmhouse.

1142
01:47:42,260 --> 01:47:49,620
I believe that the applicant has done and their professional professionals.

1143
01:47:50,100 --> 01:48:00,520
I've done a good job at great job at assessing the historic nature of the farmhouse

1144
01:48:00,520 --> 01:48:03,740
and kind of walking the applicant through the process

1145
01:48:03,740 --> 01:48:08,340
of practically preserving the building.

1146
01:48:09,220 --> 01:48:11,740
There's so many buildings that are,

1147
01:48:11,740 --> 01:48:14,040
unfortunately, fallen to disrepair

1148
01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:16,160
and have been demolished through neglect.

1149
01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:21,520
And, you know, there are options sometimes

1150
01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:24,700
for buildings like that because it's going to be expensive.

1151
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:29,160
For sometimes applicants to just say,

1152
01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:32,100
this is too expensive, it's not feasible for us to save.

1153
01:48:32,900 --> 01:48:36,460
And so I do believe that this is a really good,

1154
01:48:36,480 --> 01:48:40,680
happy medium as far as the building itself goes.

1155
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:44,960
I do believe that also with his stored nature of a structure,

1156
01:48:45,700 --> 01:48:48,080
you know, we try to close our eyes.

1157
01:48:48,580 --> 01:48:52,020
I think all of us do is people, not just professionals,

1158
01:48:52,220 --> 01:48:54,140
close our eyes and think what was it like

1159
01:48:54,140 --> 01:48:57,280
back in the late 1800s when that structure was built.

1160
01:48:57,280 --> 01:49:01,320
And some of us may wish that it still looked like that.

1161
01:49:01,460 --> 01:49:05,940
But there's quite a bit of the area that does not look like it did any more.

1162
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:13,960
And so what we're looking at is what is the impact is that impacts considerably more than what is already been done.

1163
01:49:14,260 --> 01:49:16,900
I believe that it is not.

1164
01:49:18,620 --> 01:49:27,020
As far as the archeological sensitivity of the area, somebody had very smartly brought up

1165
01:49:27,020 --> 01:49:32,400
that, you know, and it made logical sense to me if there's going to be monitoring that obviously

1166
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:35,980
there's architectural or archeological sensitivity and tribal sensitivity.

1167
01:49:36,860 --> 01:49:37,940
That is the case.

1168
01:49:38,180 --> 01:49:45,680
This whole area has a very rich history of prehistoric and historic activity in this area.

1169
01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:50,480
It's my love, it's what I've built my whole career on.

1170
01:49:51,880 --> 01:49:59,960
But monitoring is typically a mitigation to make sure that if there is anything there that we don't need.

1171
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:09,480
I don't know about that that can be protected by having qualified professionals monitor the disturbance to make sure that if something is discovered, it's handled properly.

1172
01:50:10,340 --> 01:50:26,980
So it's not necessarily a specific evidence that that specific property has any specific archaeological sensitivity or tribal sensitivity, it's just that there is a potential that that could happen.

1173
01:50:26,980 --> 01:50:55,700
And if there is something there that it needs to be treated appropriately and that's why you know qualified professionals they're monitoring along with tribal representatives, so I'm satisfied from a historic perspective that the project is treating the farmhouse correctly and that there's not going to be damage in fact I'm thrilled there are so many projects that the buildings just fall apart.

1174
01:50:55,700 --> 01:51:03,800
And this building is going to be saved because of this project, so if it is approved, which is exciting.

1175
01:51:04,060 --> 01:51:08,860
There's not a lot of structures like that here in Galita anymore.

1176
01:51:09,920 --> 01:51:11,500
Farmhouses are few and far between.

1177
01:51:12,740 --> 01:51:24,120
So I think it's nice not as far as the adaptive reuse that allows revenue to be brought in to make sure that that historic structure is

1178
01:51:24,120 --> 01:51:29,780
it retains its nature and in a way that it's structurally sound.

1179
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:31,560
So,

1180
01:51:34,200 --> 01:51:37,140
and continue to do so I have a revenue stream to keep it that way.

1181
01:51:38,940 --> 01:51:41,640
So, and the cost of that is not cheap.

1182
01:51:42,340 --> 01:51:43,460
So it's great that it's happening.

1183
01:51:44,520 --> 01:51:49,460
So I'm going to open it up and see if we have just a reminder

1184
01:51:50,980 --> 01:52:00,000
That the recommendation from staff is that the Historic Preservation Commission recommends that the planning commission

1185
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:05,940
find that the proposed adaptive reuse and rehabilitation of the farmhouse portion of the Fairview Gardens

1186
01:52:05,940 --> 01:52:11,460
Conditional Use Permit project is consistent with the Secretary of Interior Standards for Treatment

1187
01:52:11,460 --> 01:52:15,900
of Historic Structures based on the findings in attachment A.

1188
01:52:15,900 --> 01:52:22,740
our choices are that we can either make a motion to accept to accept that recommendation

1189
01:52:22,740 --> 01:52:29,000
or make a motion to move that recommendation forward or we can make our own recommendations

1190
01:52:29,000 --> 01:52:36,520
that we feel we want to make or we can amend the recommendation make a motion to do that

1191
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:38,600
so I'll open that up to my fellow commissioners.

1192
01:52:39,180 --> 01:52:39,740
Yes.

1193
01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:40,820
I'm hard to leave.

1194
01:52:41,220 --> 01:52:43,680
Are you going to close the public hearing to make that motion?

1195
01:52:43,680 --> 01:52:44,660
Thank you.

1196
01:52:45,100 --> 01:52:45,300
Thank you.

1197
01:52:45,300 --> 01:52:45,640
Thank you.

1198
01:52:45,640 --> 01:52:46,180
You keep me honest.

1199
01:52:46,940 --> 01:52:54,040
So I'm going to close the public hearing and now I will open it up for any motions.

1200
01:52:55,160 --> 01:53:02,220
I'm over the way except the motion has written by staff specific to this very specific

1201
01:53:02,220 --> 01:53:03,180
part of the CUP.

1202
01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:08,860
So someone who has you do want to read it again or you read it there.

1203
01:53:09,660 --> 01:53:12,760
Does he need to when he makes this motion read that?

1204
01:53:12,760 --> 01:53:18,400
heard as staff recommended it. Yes, I was written on the staff. I think that's sufficient. Okay.

1205
01:53:19,580 --> 01:53:26,240
Thank you. As in as in section 8.1. The very reached there. Yes. So I moved the we accept the

1206
01:53:26,240 --> 01:53:32,860
very reached as written in 8.1. Okay. Do we have a second? All second.

1207
01:53:37,680 --> 01:53:38,980
Work preservation commission

1208
01:53:38,980 --> 01:53:44,540
members. If you please use the small tab in front of you to pressure vote, I will now do a

1209
01:53:44,540 --> 01:53:48,000
call vote. Commissioner Goodson and

1210
01:53:50,020 --> 01:53:51,140
also state your vote for a

1211
01:53:51,140 --> 01:53:52,340
belief please.

1212
01:53:57,010 --> 01:53:59,010
Yes. Commissioner Link.

1213
01:54:03,230 --> 01:54:05,230
Commissioner Preston. Yes.

1214
01:54:06,470 --> 01:54:10,870
Commissioner Roberts. Yes. Commissioner Villets.

1215
01:54:17,250 --> 01:54:17,950
Is that here?

1216
01:54:18,570 --> 01:54:23,030
Commissioner Villainer? Yes. Commissioner Big Divit. Yes.

1217
01:54:31,250 --> 01:54:31,630
Thank you,

1218
01:54:39,820 --> 01:54:43,380
So that will take us to item B, commissioner comments.

1219
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:48,020
Are there any other comments from commissioners?

1220
01:54:50,180 --> 01:54:52,020
Just thank you to everyone who came tonight.

1221
01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:55,640
And then item C, adjournment.

1222
01:54:55,740 --> 01:54:58,640
So if there is no objection, we'll now adjourn the meeting.

1223
01:54:58,880 --> 01:54:59,600
Hearing no objection.

1224
01:55:01,580 --> 01:55:03,580
The meeting is now adjourned.