1 00:00:56,690 --> 00:01:07,330 The planning and zoning commission meets the first Monday of each month. All meetings are video taped. No official action can be taken unless proper application has been submitted through the planning department. 2 00:01:08,310 --> 00:01:19,490 The planning and zoning commission follows a printed agenda, which is available at the counter by the entrance to the council chambers. Public hearing consent agenda items are routine items which can all be approved in one motion. 3 00:01:20,270 --> 00:01:27,430 However, any member of the Commission may make a motion to consider an item from the public hearing consent agenda to allow public discussion. 4 00:01:28,150 --> 00:01:35,110 Individuals may address the commission on items listed on the agenda under items for individual consideration and public hearing. 5 00:01:35,990 --> 00:01:42,550 An individual who would like to speak on a topic that is not listed on the agenda should speak under the heading of comments by the audience. 6 00:01:42,550 --> 00:01:50,090 To speak on an item or note your support or opposition without speaking, please fill out a request to speak card. 7 00:01:50,710 --> 00:01:52,910 These cards are also available at the counter. 8 00:01:53,450 --> 00:01:57,690 After filling out the card, deposit that the counter or give it to a staff member. 9 00:01:58,770 --> 00:02:02,690 Individuals will be called when the particular item is reached on the agenda 10 00:02:02,690 --> 00:02:07,110 at which time they should step forward to the podium and give their name address 11 00:02:07,110 --> 00:02:09,730 and whom they represent for the record. 12 00:02:11,090 --> 00:02:16,350 First out on this evening, it was the implication, please bow with me. 13 00:02:17,150 --> 00:02:21,810 Our Heavenly Father, we are thankful for this day and the many blessings we enjoy. 14 00:02:23,730 --> 00:02:29,770 We are thankful for those who serve to protect the citizens of Grand Prairie and we pray 15 00:02:29,770 --> 00:02:32,710 that you protect our servicemen and women around the world. 16 00:02:33,090 --> 00:02:37,690 We are thankful for being able to gather this evening in God this commission, 17 00:02:37,690 --> 00:02:42,470 to accomplish purposes for the betterment of the city and the citizens of Grand Prairie. 18 00:02:43,150 --> 00:02:45,270 Bless the families represented here this evening. 19 00:02:46,090 --> 00:02:47,830 We ask these things in cross name. 20 00:02:50,220 --> 00:02:52,760 Next item is the consent agenda. 21 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:53,720 Commissioner Moss. 22 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:55,140 Thank you. 23 00:02:55,540 --> 00:03:00,680 I'd like to make a motion to approve the disapproval of flats without prejudice. 24 00:03:01,260 --> 00:03:04,700 All the items under the consent agenda of item number one. 25 00:03:04,700 --> 00:03:17,920 And then also items 1 through 6 and then also postpone items number 7 and 8 and I believe that's it. 26 00:03:21,500 --> 00:03:25,220 We have a motion commissioner Moss for approval of the consent agenda. 27 00:03:25,300 --> 00:03:27,440 I don't have a second by commissioner Mozer. 28 00:03:28,740 --> 00:03:29,780 Let's vote. 29 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:43,840 Do you vote, Liam? 30 00:03:45,580 --> 00:03:46,600 You can 31 00:03:51,050 --> 00:03:52,010 vote yes. 32 00:03:53,170 --> 00:03:53,590 Yes, that's up. 33 00:03:55,930 --> 00:04:01,310 One of the votes for Commissioner, are the vote for Commissioner Motley does not show, but he is voting yes. 34 00:04:01,870 --> 00:04:03,170 So this is approved 80. 35 00:04:05,820 --> 00:04:07,920 Much of, Liam, much of puncher, but one more time. 36 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:08,780 See if it's. 37 00:04:16,500 --> 00:04:17,020 Okay. 38 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:18,460 Okay. 39 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:19,960 Yeah, my vote. 40 00:04:27,910 --> 00:04:37,850 We're just Mike, okay, officially it's Ike Zero, everybody's worth, okay, yeah, we got it. 41 00:04:37,850 --> 00:04:39,090 But you had a rocker go ahead. 42 00:04:39,970 --> 00:04:41,270 Thank you, Chairman. 43 00:04:43,150 --> 00:04:45,670 We, uh, get that. 44 00:04:45,670 --> 00:04:54,490 But our first side of this evening is item A S 0 3 0 6 0 1 A. This property is located 45 00:04:54,490 --> 00:04:59,930 at 828 to South Carrier. This is a site-plan amendment for the Cedar Prayer. 46 00:05:02,100 --> 00:05:11,940 This is a office development that is located north of Odesco and excuse me, west of South Carrier. 47 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:19,340 The proposal itself is for the new WIC office and retail store that's part of the WIC facility itself. 48 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:24,320 They're proposing to build a new $7,670, $7,400 square foot building. 49 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,120 That's a typo on the screen. 50 00:05:28,100 --> 00:05:30,680 The property is 0.64 acres in size. 51 00:05:30,940 --> 00:05:33,400 It's a current in his own PD12. 52 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,420 It is in the state 161 overlay. 53 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:38,200 As far as the development of the staff, 54 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:39,860 it does mean all of the development standards. 55 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:44,200 However, there is an appeal for the rear-set max standard that is in place. 56 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,160 The surrounding land use in this area, 57 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:52,640 As I mentioned, this is part of the Cedar Prairie Office Development, and we've got 58 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:57,800 a development within that PD-12 general retail uses, and so it's really surrounded by different 59 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:04,860 offices, the medical, the Methodist Tossable Center, the Metro Care Services, and private 60 00:06:04,860 --> 00:06:06,580 one deviation is to the west. 61 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:12,380 We do have single family attached product west of this development proposal. 62 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,400 Just a couple of photographs, some of the existing buildings that are in place as part 63 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,100 that Cedar Prairie office complex. 64 00:06:21,590 --> 00:06:23,950 On the one on the right-hand size is the proposal 65 00:06:23,950 --> 00:06:25,970 case for the new WIC office itself. 66 00:06:26,750 --> 00:06:29,430 It's actually in the north-west corner of the development. 67 00:06:30,590 --> 00:06:32,190 This is the proposed site plan. 68 00:06:32,490 --> 00:06:35,950 The major differences, as we've talked about in the briefing, 69 00:06:36,670 --> 00:06:38,750 is they're actually looking at expanding the size 70 00:06:38,750 --> 00:06:41,890 of the footprint of the previously approved site plan 71 00:06:41,890 --> 00:06:45,050 for this particular lots for 4,000 square feet 72 00:06:45,050 --> 00:06:47,590 to just under 7,400 square feet. 73 00:06:47,590 --> 00:06:51,210 And really the building in South is pushed to North. 74 00:06:51,530 --> 00:06:55,350 There was previously a parking lot that was located there and I've got a graphic of that 75 00:06:55,350 --> 00:07:02,030 in a moment, but the expansion will increase the building just about two times what was originally 76 00:07:02,030 --> 00:07:02,590 approved. 77 00:07:03,830 --> 00:07:06,130 One of the issues that came up in briefing was parking. 78 00:07:06,910 --> 00:07:11,170 This particular proposal has a 29 spaces that are part of the plan. 79 00:07:12,490 --> 00:07:17,570 This particular use, the government office requires one parking space for 375 square 80 00:07:17,570 --> 00:07:24,250 speed of space, which equates to 20 spaces, so they actually have 9 more spaces than what 81 00:07:24,250 --> 00:07:29,350 the code currently requires. We do have some elevations. I think this is very typical to 82 00:07:29,350 --> 00:07:33,510 the development that's currently in place in terms of the buildings that are out there, so it's 83 00:07:33,510 --> 00:07:38,450 really meeting the previous site plan approval that was in place. There's really no changes in 84 00:07:38,450 --> 00:07:43,490 terms of the type of construction, same thing with the landscaping, the really meeting what was 85 00:07:43,490 --> 00:07:45,490 place at the time of the previous approval. 86 00:07:47,530 --> 00:07:52,730 The main thing that I guess I want to talk about with this particular slide is that they 87 00:07:52,730 --> 00:07:55,210 are looking to deviate the rear setback. 88 00:07:55,790 --> 00:08:01,230 What was on the original site plan was 25 feet of this zoning district that is located 89 00:08:01,230 --> 00:08:03,350 and actually allows a 20-foot setback. 90 00:08:04,110 --> 00:08:09,730 The building itself is going to be meeting the 20-foot setback except for the very southwest 91 00:08:09,730 --> 00:08:14,890 corner of that building, approximately 29 feet of the overall building, which is 117 feet of 92 00:08:14,890 --> 00:08:21,370 length, would be within 12 feet of the western property line, which abuds that's a single 93 00:08:21,370 --> 00:08:25,830 family attached development to the west, and so that is the one deviation that they're 94 00:08:25,830 --> 00:08:27,730 asking for from the code. 95 00:08:29,390 --> 00:08:34,170 With that, noted appeal, a staff is not able to recommend full approval of this particular 96 00:08:34,170 --> 00:08:38,590 case, but that we are supportive of the requested setback. 97 00:08:39,630 --> 00:08:42,110 deviation and being willing to answer any questions. 98 00:08:44,530 --> 00:08:47,050 I'd like to introduce any questions of Mr. 99 00:08:47,730 --> 00:08:48,190 Hinderogger. 100 00:08:50,900 --> 00:08:51,280 Thank you, sir. 101 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:54,580 Do you want to have any speak to the court? 102 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:57,840 Is that applicant here at the table? 103 00:09:02,340 --> 00:09:03,840 Commissioner Zeefer of the Discussion? 104 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:08,160 Commissioner Mosa. 105 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,480 I was hoping that the applicant or somebody would be here to talk about this because 106 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,000 like I brought up in the briefing. 107 00:09:17,620 --> 00:09:25,000 I just don't think that there is near enough parking for what this facility is going to be used for. 108 00:09:25,020 --> 00:09:28,500 In talking to Mr. Hinderokker during the briefing, 109 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:33,940 I saw what the code requires for this type of building. 110 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:42,180 But, and as I told everybody else, I've had this week office in the building that I managed for a number of years. 111 00:09:42,180 --> 00:09:52,360 And even with 29 spaces, and if you go back to that picture of the actual existing plot, 112 00:09:53,860 --> 00:09:57,800 no, no, the existing, there you go. 113 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:15,280 A little field of whole screen. No, it doesn't matter. You see there's a little parking lot up to the north of that, and that's got an additional 20 parking spaces in it. Right there. Yeah. I think belongs to the Methodist Medical Center that's right there. 114 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:26,040 But even with that, when they were in my building, they had at least 12 full-time employees. 115 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:31,740 And if you've got 29 parking places, and you've got 12 full-time employees, 116 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:38,860 they're going to be there all the time. And that Wick store has, it's required to have, uh, 117 00:10:38,860 --> 00:10:43,520 I think it says seven spaces, even if they have one person there, there's only going to be six 118 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:48,160 space is left over for people who are customers and I mean I know what the code says and 119 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,600 all that but I just don't think there's going to be enough parking for this and I really 120 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:56,140 wanted to talk to the person the people who were playing in this because I mean I don't 121 00:10:56,140 --> 00:11:02,000 know if it's right or not I just can't support it knowing that there's not going to be enough 122 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:02,540 parking. 123 00:11:06,700 --> 00:11:10,660 That's all I got. I got nobody to talk to because they're not here. 124 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,560 Let me ask you a question, and Bill raises a good point. 125 00:11:17,540 --> 00:11:26,460 In the ordinary course of events, if you had a facility like this, that the code allowed 126 00:11:26,460 --> 00:11:30,180 29, it conforms to the code between nine-partum places. 127 00:11:31,380 --> 00:11:37,920 I think the question is, let's suppose that as a result of what Bill says, there are 128 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:46,320 constant never-ending complaints from surrounding homeowners about customers for this place, 129 00:11:47,140 --> 00:11:54,020 parking on their property and, you know, interfering with their business, how would those sort 130 00:11:54,020 --> 00:11:58,000 of complaints make their way up here to city, or would they make their way up here to 131 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:03,340 city hall at all? They may, they may not. My guess is that this is approved and built, 132 00:12:03,340 --> 00:12:09,340 There's insufficient parking based on the type of use that Commissioner Moser is referring to. 133 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,240 We're likely to get complaints from the staff level. 134 00:12:12,580 --> 00:12:17,800 They may or may not contact council members, so I guess I'm not sure if it get to that level. 135 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:28,220 From a staff perspective, I think it would be very difficult to try to physically do something about that short of having additional land available nearby or parking lot. 136 00:12:28,340 --> 00:12:32,320 This may be an underutilizer where we can maybe create some shared parking situation. 137 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:36,800 And I don't really think you've got that in this case, really, it's built out. 138 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:42,980 I don't know, personally, if the businesses that are in these other office space have 139 00:12:42,980 --> 00:12:46,260 extra space, you know, where they're really not using that right now, something we could 140 00:12:46,260 --> 00:12:46,820 look at. 141 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:56,800 Yeah, I think typically, Lynn, you know, what that becomes, a problem is for the managers 142 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:02,060 of all those businesses out there, if they come to work and, you know, the one business 143 00:13:02,060 --> 00:13:05,620 is taking all of their part, you know, whatever, and if it's not on their lot, if they 144 00:13:05,620 --> 00:13:11,240 have some kind of agreement and that's when you start to see that towing signs go up and I mean 145 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:16,640 it can become a nightmare for everybody but that's how those things are usually solved if 146 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:21,580 if they're parking in somebody else's face which is probably what would happen out there and that 147 00:13:21,580 --> 00:13:28,420 property owner is going to put up no parking only parking for my business and put up towing 148 00:13:28,420 --> 00:13:37,820 And so, well, okay, let me let me answer another question. 149 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:45,860 Jim, are you satisfied that we've had enough discussions with this particular applicant 150 00:13:45,860 --> 00:13:53,740 and that this applicant understands that 29 parking places in fact may be insufficient 151 00:13:53,740 --> 00:13:58,740 or do they not understand the problem or have we not discussed the problem or 152 00:13:58,740 --> 00:14:03,820 I can state that staff has not got into any detailed discussion at all about parking with the 153 00:14:03,820 --> 00:14:04,280 applicant. 154 00:14:05,340 --> 00:14:09,680 I wasn't aware of the problems that Commissioner Moser is talking about about a previous 155 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:10,360 location. 156 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,640 I do think that it probably warms in discussion. 157 00:14:13,900 --> 00:14:19,260 I mean, if we get a situation with past experience, it's pretty obvious that the required 158 00:14:19,260 --> 00:14:21,020 parking was not sufficient parking. 159 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:22,460 It is something that I was aware of that. 160 00:14:22,460 --> 00:14:26,420 I would definitely have been talking with the applicant about that and trying to see if 161 00:14:26,420 --> 00:14:31,780 with this site or maybe different site. There's opportunities for additional parking, 162 00:14:32,380 --> 00:14:36,000 but it wasn't something we talked about, I can assure you that. 163 00:14:36,420 --> 00:14:48,740 Yeah, I'm hesitant to move forward here, you know, clearly this applicant meets 164 00:14:48,740 --> 00:14:50,860 all the current code. Is that correct? 165 00:14:51,220 --> 00:14:52,540 Yes, other than that. 166 00:14:53,860 --> 00:14:59,140 But I'm also, I'm personally hesitant to create a problem for everybody else over there. 167 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:14,820 The situation, and I have no reason that what Bill is saying here, if that's a case, since it's struck me, is that maybe we need to act cautiously here, and spend a little time talking to this applicant about their experiences, 168 00:15:17,460 --> 00:15:28,340 and typically, what do they see in terms of the number of people that part there? I mean, we might avoid a problem later by doing that because we're the point I'm trying to make. 169 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:34,940 We'll surprise the applicant's not here, we met with them several times, and so I know it's 170 00:15:34,940 --> 00:15:36,580 aware of the meeting, so I'm not sure what happened. 171 00:15:37,020 --> 00:15:41,760 What do you think that's something that we ought to do to talk to this applicant before we move 172 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:42,280 forward with it? 173 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,500 I think based on the concerns being raised, I think that the excellent idea to have that 174 00:15:46,500 --> 00:15:53,080 conversation is, would it be appropriate to table this particular, but then we have some 175 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,640 some of the other councillors, what have some councillors? 176 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,980 I guess one of the questions, do we know any timing issues or anything that they have as far 177 00:15:59,980 --> 00:16:02,260 contracts or anything that would need to do that. 178 00:16:02,260 --> 00:16:06,100 I don't know about contracts, but I do know they're obviously ready to take it in the ground. 179 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,000 As you can see, they've actually started some of the earthwork that's out there. 180 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,320 So I know they're anxious to get going. 181 00:16:10,700 --> 00:16:11,440 I definitely know that. 182 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,460 I think from where they are right now, they're releasing space in the bank of America building. 183 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:16,280 I know where they are. 184 00:16:16,420 --> 00:16:17,060 I know where they went. 185 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,420 And my guess is they're least expecting to be up. 186 00:16:20,780 --> 00:16:21,200 But out of the way. 187 00:16:22,300 --> 00:16:23,020 We're original, right? 188 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:24,260 Yeah. 189 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:27,760 How would I like to tell you, 190 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:40,720 public hearing AS030601A with the permission of having a second due to all of the questions 191 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,420 that have been asked regarding the applicants request. 192 00:16:47,140 --> 00:16:49,720 We may have a need for further discussion. 193 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:51,740 Commissioner Eradonda. 194 00:16:53,300 --> 00:16:55,860 Well, yes, I did want to mention. 195 00:16:55,860 --> 00:17:02,560 But the landlord also owns or has some ownership with the properties to the south of it, right? 196 00:17:03,580 --> 00:17:09,860 So, at least in terms of just came in, at least in terms of being able to provide some auxiliary parking 197 00:17:09,860 --> 00:17:14,240 for any of the customers that might not have the space here. 198 00:17:14,340 --> 00:17:16,640 They could park to the south of it, right? 199 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:17,460 It might not. 200 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:24,180 If we have a motion and a second, then really we should vote on and less. 201 00:17:24,180 --> 00:17:28,200 someone wants to withdraw the motion. If that's the applicant that came in. So. 202 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:28,880 That is the applicant. 203 00:17:29,180 --> 00:17:30,560 That choose not to withdraw. 204 00:17:35,090 --> 00:17:36,630 Mr. Gray, you said you choose to withdraw? 205 00:17:37,050 --> 00:17:37,890 No, you don't. 206 00:17:40,020 --> 00:17:41,600 Commissioner Aradano, did you finish your statement? 207 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,340 I just feel that with the applicant here, 208 00:17:45,420 --> 00:17:47,540 I think we have an opportunity to get some of these answers. 209 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,240 Well, we have a motion on the floor with a second. 210 00:17:50,340 --> 00:17:51,980 We have a motion by Commissioner Gray, 211 00:17:51,980 --> 00:17:58,980 of the Second Commissioner Motley to table this case. 212 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:00,100 Rick. 213 00:18:03,420 --> 00:18:04,640 That would you second? 214 00:18:05,060 --> 00:18:05,620 There you go. 215 00:18:08,870 --> 00:18:12,510 The applicant's going to learn to show in a plate could be a real problem. 216 00:18:15,330 --> 00:18:22,170 But I wouldn't dispose to move this case forward in the absence of a discussion about the parking. 217 00:18:22,170 --> 00:18:31,150 And if the applicant is now here willing to discuss that parking, it might save all of us more time to hear him out. 218 00:18:31,470 --> 00:18:32,950 So do you draw your second? 219 00:18:34,130 --> 00:18:35,110 You would draw your second? 220 00:18:36,170 --> 00:18:36,450 Yes. 221 00:18:37,010 --> 00:18:38,050 I mean, it's actually a draw. 222 00:18:38,590 --> 00:18:40,010 Then the applicant is here. 223 00:18:41,070 --> 00:18:42,070 According to Mr. Hinderok. 224 00:18:42,470 --> 00:18:42,690 Yes. 225 00:18:43,250 --> 00:18:43,530 Okay. 226 00:18:44,290 --> 00:18:45,790 Then I would draw as well. 227 00:18:45,870 --> 00:18:47,290 Look, look at this here from the end. 228 00:18:47,290 --> 00:18:48,670 All right, the second has been a draw. 229 00:18:48,670 --> 00:18:53,190 So it's just it can't it's it counts as a that mushings 230 00:18:58,130 --> 00:19:01,790 Jim would you want to introduce us to the applicant 231 00:19:08,430 --> 00:19:13,630 Good afternoon my name is Raul is proud on my address is 1636 Cedar Hill Avenue Dallas Texas 232 00:19:13,630 --> 00:19:18,750 Mr. Stroud of there's some questions about actually about Parking yes, and 233 00:19:19,590 --> 00:19:21,790 I don't know how much you heard of that 234 00:19:23,630 --> 00:19:24,150 But 235 00:19:24,150 --> 00:19:26,250 Commissioner Moser you want to 236 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:34,820 Okay, Mr. Strahdot. Yes, sir. You're you're proposing to build this facility, right? Yes, sir. Okay 237 00:19:34,820 --> 00:19:41,900 Your tendon is going to be the wick office that's currently in the bank of America building. They're going to relocate to this. Yes, sir 238 00:19:41,900 --> 00:19:46,500 Do you know how many square feet they're in in the bank of America building right now? Yes, or they're in 239 00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:56,180 1,000 more square feet than here. So this would be there about 6,000 square feet. Okay, and you're also proposing to relocate the wick store to this location 240 00:19:56,180 --> 00:19:58,620 and it doesn't exist in the bank of America building, right? 241 00:19:58,700 --> 00:19:59,980 I'm proposing to have a... 242 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:08,620 Space there for a week store. Do you know what the number of employees that that current location has? Six. 243 00:20:10,860 --> 00:20:20,520 The current location at Bank of America has six employees. Yes, sir. What about the week, well, the week store doesn't exist. How many employees is it supposed to have, too? 244 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:28,600 And is this location going to carry on the same business that goes on currently at Bank of America? Yes, sir. 245 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:33,500 Um, do they still teach, um, nutrition classes there? 246 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:34,120 They do. 247 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,700 Do they still teach, um, well, baby classes there? 248 00:20:37,980 --> 00:20:38,400 They do. 249 00:20:38,580 --> 00:20:41,300 Do they still teach, um, parenting classes there? 250 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,620 You know, I don't know about the parenting classes. 251 00:20:43,780 --> 00:20:46,300 The other two I do, but I'm not real familiar with, you know, 252 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,720 the, uh, all the schedule that they have there at the Whitclenic. 253 00:20:48,740 --> 00:20:51,200 Which is exactly why I'm asking you those questions. 254 00:20:51,500 --> 00:20:51,860 Yes, sir. 255 00:20:52,180 --> 00:20:52,900 What are their hours? 256 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,920 Their hours are from, uh, eight in the morning to 430 in the afternoon. 257 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:04,760 So they've reduced their hours recently then because they used to be from seven in the morning till about six o'clock at night. 258 00:21:04,860 --> 00:21:11,940 I don't think they're at seven in the morning from their clinics, but they're at some of the cleanser from seven thirty to four thirty. 259 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,460 I believe four thirty, yes or? 260 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:18,640 Okay, what are the hours of the food store going to be? 261 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,740 The food store opens the same hours at the whipped clinic opens. 262 00:21:25,870 --> 00:21:27,390 And that's what you're proposing here, right? 263 00:21:27,690 --> 00:21:28,070 Yes, sir. 264 00:21:28,210 --> 00:21:28,810 Yes, sir. 265 00:21:28,810 --> 00:21:38,290 OK, have you, do you have any personal experience with an operation of this kind? 266 00:21:38,410 --> 00:21:40,190 I mean, I know they're operating over there at Bank of America. 267 00:21:40,450 --> 00:21:45,810 But do you have other places that you've rented to Wix stores and Wixer? 268 00:21:45,870 --> 00:21:48,370 OK, this is a bit of background on that. 269 00:21:48,750 --> 00:21:48,930 Pardon me? 270 00:21:48,930 --> 00:21:51,850 Can you give us a little bit of background on what you, on that for you? 271 00:21:51,910 --> 00:21:52,290 Yes, sure. 272 00:21:52,610 --> 00:21:55,770 This is a fifth office that I've built for them. 273 00:21:55,770 --> 00:22:03,910 I have some real estate in Dallas, and we have them in several shopping centers, and we built one staff alone building for them as well. 274 00:22:04,290 --> 00:22:05,430 And how big was that one? 275 00:22:05,730 --> 00:22:07,570 It's 6,000 square feet. 276 00:22:08,170 --> 00:22:09,750 And how much parking did it have? 277 00:22:10,170 --> 00:22:15,190 It had, I believe, 32 spaces. 278 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:20,060 Okay. 279 00:22:21,380 --> 00:22:27,240 You weren't here for the beginning of this conversation, and you weren't in the briefing session, but 280 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,820 I have a little bit of experience with this particular 281 00:22:30,820 --> 00:22:31,560 WIC office. 282 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:36,300 Yes, I managed the building that they used to be in before they moved. 283 00:22:37,420 --> 00:22:39,040 And they moved to the Bank of America. 284 00:22:39,300 --> 00:22:43,540 They actually ended up taking up more space in the Bank of America building than they had 285 00:22:43,540 --> 00:22:44,340 in my building. 286 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:49,200 And the issue that I brought up to the commission was, I have three acres. 287 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,180 I have over 120 spaces, and there wasn't enough. 288 00:22:53,180 --> 00:23:06,040 Well, I have five different weakstores and none of them have over the, the a lot of parking which is 200 spaces for one space for 200 square feet and we don't have an issue with any of the parking spaces. 289 00:23:06,620 --> 00:23:22,320 Now, the weakstores have different occupant capacities. This one is running, I believe, at about 4,500 clients a month, which is what the, some of the others that I have, the biggest one we have runs about 7,000 clients a month, it's over on Lake June. 290 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:29,240 And it occupies, we have way more than enough parking for practical reasons than what we've 291 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:30,820 been what's required there. 292 00:23:31,140 --> 00:23:35,740 But we also have the lady that owns the business center, which is the developed that center 293 00:23:35,740 --> 00:23:40,020 is given us cross access to the parking immediately to the north of that end of the south as 294 00:23:40,020 --> 00:23:40,440 well. 295 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:45,160 They have a business park that's, they have a method as clinic that has parking in the back 296 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,740 has 22 spaces in addition. 297 00:23:47,060 --> 00:23:51,440 But I'm familiar with it and they've given us access to that parking for employee parking 298 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:56,880 as well. You know, we've given them the number of employees that work at the Whitclenic and 299 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:01,000 we asked for the variants because we wanted to add additional parking just to make sure we 300 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,420 had more than enough. 301 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,680 The building at the bank building, sir. I think it houses a lot of 302 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:15,800 different, not just the Whitclenic, it houses a lot of government agencies. And if you've been 303 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,640 over there, I think one of the reasons they want to come or relocate out of there is that 304 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:24,520 the parking is horrible there. It's hard to get a parking space at that particular place. 305 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:33,520 This has 29 spaces dedicated to it by itself, which I think is more than what they'll ever need at one time. 306 00:24:34,700 --> 00:24:39,820 Whick clinics are people come in for appointments, and they're set up. It's not a free-for-all. 307 00:24:40,140 --> 00:24:43,540 People that come in get their cards registered for the Whick programs. 308 00:24:44,220 --> 00:24:48,460 They come in, and they have scheduled appointments, and they come in a certain time throughout the whole day. 309 00:24:48,780 --> 00:24:53,800 It's not something that they put on. That's why sometimes they can locate it in business parks that are kind of behind that out. 310 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:58,720 on the main thoroughfare, they come in and they, I don't know that was the case when they 311 00:24:58,720 --> 00:24:59,980 were in your building, but... 312 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:10,860 But now they have a system where people go online or they call in. They get an appointment and they set those things up. So they have, like, they can tailor their plan or their workload throughout the whole day. 313 00:25:13,940 --> 00:25:25,580 Well, my building is three blocks away from here on this area, Parkway. And they may have improved their scheduling ability, but when they were in my building, they didn't have that. 314 00:25:25,580 --> 00:25:28,680 I understand they were at the Bank of America building for 10 years. 315 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:36,380 They were in my building in 2003 and moved out in five or six, yes sure. 316 00:25:36,580 --> 00:25:41,060 So they've been in the Bank of America building for about six to eight, I would say. 317 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,920 I don't have any other questions, 318 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:48,500 I haven't changed my mind. 319 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:54,000 In my personal experience, there is even with cross-parking agreements and everything else. 320 00:25:54,000 --> 00:26:01,600 I understand that you operate other clinics, but I personally have been managing a building that 321 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,620 handled this particular clinic and unless they've reduced their staff by half, they have way more 322 00:26:06,620 --> 00:26:11,920 than six employees. I'm not saying that you're not telling the truth. I'm saying that my 323 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:23,980 personal experience is different than yours for that reason. I still maintain that there's 324 00:26:23,980 --> 00:26:30,260 proving this, we will be creating a problem that 325 00:26:30,260 --> 00:26:32,740 will be solved later on by people getting towed, which 326 00:26:32,740 --> 00:26:34,320 is what it's going to boil down, too. 327 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:35,900 So that's just my opinion. 328 00:26:37,740 --> 00:26:40,460 You have experience in your other areas. 329 00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:43,660 I mean, you have shopping centers that have overflow parking. 330 00:26:44,380 --> 00:26:46,020 This particular place doesn't. 331 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,700 You're not going to get complaints from people 332 00:26:48,700 --> 00:26:51,440 whose yards they're parking in, because there's no residential 333 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,600 around this, the stuff that's behind it is separated 334 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:58,580 by a wall. These people aren't going to have any place to park, but that's just my opinion. 335 00:26:59,460 --> 00:27:06,000 Mr. Crowley? Mr. Strada, I think you mentioned that as part of your deal with the property 336 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:11,760 owner, you have some cross-access parking agreement where you have access to additional parking 337 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:17,220 do you know how many spaces you have access to in addition to the 29 that you're proposing here? 338 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:23,580 Yes, she gave us when we had proposed the space to the WIC office, we had told them 339 00:27:23,580 --> 00:27:27,840 And the way the original, when we saw the site plan and the way the building was laid out 340 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,740 tests, there's some parking on the north that belongs to the Methodist Hospital, right, 341 00:27:31,780 --> 00:27:32,060 to 22. 342 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,300 And we had told them that that was part of the parking. 343 00:27:34,980 --> 00:27:37,280 We thought that that lot was, 344 00:27:39,460 --> 00:27:41,120 see, the parking up on the top. 345 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,720 That was the parking that we had told them that that belonged to them. 346 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,520 And so when we went back to them and told them that the site is configured different, 347 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:50,960 we had enough parking. 348 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,400 And we went ahead, that's why we were respectfully requesting 349 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,460 the site amendments so we can put parking in that, 350 00:27:56,460 --> 00:27:58,920 that other little space on the entrance that belongs to this lot. 351 00:27:59,620 --> 00:28:02,000 But since we had already told Wicked that we had that parking, 352 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,140 we went back and asked the landlord if she would give us access 353 00:28:05,140 --> 00:28:06,640 to that parking and she agreed to. 354 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,900 And she agreed to also give us access to the parking 355 00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:11,460 and the buildings five and six which were the ones on the bottom 356 00:28:11,460 --> 00:28:13,920 that she owns as well, on the bottom right-hand corner. 357 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,000 So there's doors where the red light are, but in the back. 358 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:21,420 Yes, yes. 359 00:28:21,420 --> 00:28:25,170 Yeah, so there's twenty two spaces to the north that you have access to 360 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,070 As well as you're saying yes, sir plus 361 00:28:29,820 --> 00:28:36,540 Not not those sir the building that she and the two buildings that she owns are the five and six which are the ones on the right-hand bottom corner 362 00:28:42,910 --> 00:28:43,370 Oh, 363 00:28:45,570 --> 00:28:45,570 sorry 364 00:28:45,570 --> 00:28:48,930 Yeah, let's go let's go the area. Oh, Jim 365 00:28:55,260 --> 00:28:59,940 What are you talking about these parking spaces right here? Okay, and to the north of the 366 00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:05,040 the side these here okay and you see these cars these are the the Methodist employees 367 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,020 of park here okay and so there's they never use that we kind of the she 368 00:29:09,020 --> 00:29:14,680 monitor at the landlord on that spot a it's a lady may miss a poly a horn 369 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:20,560 horn and they they never use that I think they use 10 parking spaces or as 370 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,320 the most that they use zero in any given time 371 00:29:26,910 --> 00:29:28,690 so if there are complaints I guess 372 00:29:28,690 --> 00:29:33,390 the suggestion is to get poly's number to give them well I think one of the 373 00:29:33,390 --> 00:29:40,190 things that it sounds like you have a written agreement for access to additional parking 374 00:29:40,190 --> 00:29:42,530 above the 29 that you have here. 375 00:29:42,790 --> 00:29:42,990 Yes, right. 376 00:29:43,310 --> 00:29:45,450 And we didn't need that for the requirements, but we did that. 377 00:29:45,490 --> 00:29:46,390 I understand. 378 00:29:48,930 --> 00:29:49,270 Okay. 379 00:29:49,390 --> 00:29:50,010 Thank you. 380 00:29:50,270 --> 00:29:50,950 Commissioner Aradanda. 381 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:54,540 Thank you. 382 00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:59,980 I think, in Mr. Sadas, the experience with WIC, even though Mr. Moser did point out. 383 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:21,160 That he did have issues at his site. No operation to stay stagnant, you know, for six or seven, eight years. So it seems feasible that given the 29 spaces that are there, along with the other agreements that have been made, I feel very confident that the employees, the customers and everyone else around can manage with the, a lot of spaces. 384 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,880 Mr. Zeele, the questions are Mr. Trana. 385 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:32,240 Apparently not. 386 00:30:33,180 --> 00:30:36,020 You're on our, I apologize that traffic was really heavy on 30. 387 00:30:36,100 --> 00:30:38,140 I didn't mean to give you this respect when we get here. 388 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:39,000 We're glad you're here. 389 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,000 You didn't know it was a basketball game, though, right? 390 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,940 No, I was hoping I'd get out of here before the basketball game. 391 00:30:44,260 --> 00:30:44,800 Thank you. 392 00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:45,800 I'll have to speak to Carl. 393 00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:47,280 Yes, sir. 394 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,160 I do have a question to one of my fellow commissioners. 395 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,280 Commissioner Moses, did he answer all your questions? 396 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:53,840 Yes, sir. 397 00:30:54,420 --> 00:30:56,540 I believe you've heard a silly answer to all my questions. 398 00:30:58,790 --> 00:31:05,470 If you would like, if this computer works, I'll be glad to pull up a Google Earth of one of the other buildings, so the commissioner can see the parking we have there. 399 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:11,700 I think we're fine. 400 00:31:12,380 --> 00:31:12,740 Thank you. 401 00:31:12,940 --> 00:31:12,960 Thank you. 402 00:31:20,890 --> 00:31:21,770 Commissioner Adonda. 403 00:31:23,730 --> 00:31:24,210 Thank you very much. 404 00:31:24,290 --> 00:31:30,210 I'd like to make a motion to close the public hearing and recommend approval of site plan amendment. 405 00:31:30,930 --> 00:31:35,710 A.S. zero three zero six zero one A as recommended by staff. 406 00:31:35,710 --> 00:31:41,130 We have a motion for approval by Commissioner Eradando, second by Commissioner Moss. 407 00:31:42,590 --> 00:31:43,850 Mrs. Let's move. 408 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,880 Approved as 7-1. 409 00:32:23,060 --> 00:32:24,180 We'll try to go right ahead. 410 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,540 Our second case on the agenda this evening is entitled 411 00:32:28,540 --> 00:32:36,560 SU-14, 0405, slash S-14, 0404, which is a specific use 412 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:44,040 And site plan, this is an application of a drive through for Lucy's chicken and 414 East Main Street. 413 00:32:45,140 --> 00:32:49,620 This property was formerly Kaffey, a Mexican restaurant. 414 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,660 The site itself is just under a half acre in site size. 415 00:32:53,780 --> 00:32:59,580 It is in the central area of zoning district as well as the central business district number two. 416 00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:02,700 The surrounding property in this area is all the same zoning. 417 00:33:02,700 --> 00:33:07,040 It's all within the central business district number two commercial development. 418 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,220 Got a couple of photographs of the actual property itself. 419 00:33:11,460 --> 00:33:17,860 This photo here was pulled from Google Earth and it gives you a good screenshot of the entire site, 420 00:33:18,460 --> 00:33:22,920 the front facade of the building and so the parking that's currently in place. 421 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,640 I also took a couple of photographs of myself. 422 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:38,680 The one on the lower right is the main access off of main streets into the properties on the east side of the building and the access to the back side of the buildings where the actual draft you're cueing would begin. 423 00:33:39,860 --> 00:33:47,000 This is the site plan proposed elevations and floor plan for the proposed drive through Lucy's chicken. 424 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:55,620 Some of the elements that I want to point out on this particular site plan is that the drive through itself actually starts the cueing on the back side. 425 00:33:55,620 --> 00:34:00,500 the building. The access lane itself is on the 426 00:34:00,500 --> 00:34:03,540 body property. There's an existing easement in place across access 427 00:34:03,540 --> 00:34:08,180 easement in place of the body property owner to provide access to 428 00:34:08,180 --> 00:34:11,780 their site and to the drive-through. As required by code they do have 429 00:34:11,780 --> 00:34:15,500 six stacking spaces or queuing spaces. One of the things I want to 430 00:34:15,500 --> 00:34:18,700 point out is the code requires that those stacking spaces be from the 431 00:34:18,700 --> 00:34:22,340 call box. Due to the limitations of the size of the site, they were not 432 00:34:22,340 --> 00:34:27,040 able to have a call box and so the ordering will actually take place at the pickup window. 433 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:34,540 My understanding talking with the applicant, that's the expect that most of the drive-through 434 00:34:34,540 --> 00:34:40,500 business will based on phone ahead or call head service and then the pickup of that. 435 00:34:40,780 --> 00:34:44,720 They also have dining on the inside of the building. 436 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,580 They have 48 seating capacity. 437 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,940 They are looking at remodeling the entire facility inside and out. 438 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:58,800 There will be a change in the outside of the building to kind of an art deco design. 439 00:34:59,200 --> 00:34:59,980 Really pretty similar to... 440 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:08,680 Do the Grand Prairie Theatre in terms of the front facade, and so they'll be doing most of the changes there. 441 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:14,360 The balance of the building, they're looking at painting the brickwork that's currently in place. 442 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:22,300 Additional improvements to the site include a new dumpster enclosure, as well as fixing the parking lot. 443 00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:24,640 There's some, especially the backside of the parking lot 444 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,740 as in district pairs that are looking at changing that 445 00:35:27,740 --> 00:35:28,800 and restriping. 446 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,980 One other element that I wanted to point out 447 00:35:30,980 --> 00:35:32,040 that's part of this proposal. 448 00:35:32,340 --> 00:35:34,020 There are currently three access points off 449 00:35:34,020 --> 00:35:36,100 of Main Street to the property. 450 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,420 They're looking at consolidating those three into two. 451 00:35:39,820 --> 00:35:42,060 And so this center one that is located here 452 00:35:42,060 --> 00:35:45,460 will actually be shifted over to line with the access 453 00:35:45,460 --> 00:35:47,700 to both those properties. 454 00:35:48,220 --> 00:35:50,040 And the one on the far right would be removed. 455 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,280 So there'd be going from three access points down to two. 456 00:35:55,340 --> 00:36:02,220 The proposal does comply with the comprehensive plan, which is mixed use, and staff is recommending 457 00:36:02,220 --> 00:36:02,660 approval. 458 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,680 Answer any questions that the commissioner may have? 459 00:36:07,940 --> 00:36:09,840 Any questions on the Mr. and Dr. Archer? 460 00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:10,800 Thank you, sir. 461 00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:12,580 We have speaker cards. 462 00:36:17,050 --> 00:36:18,050 We do have speaker cards. 463 00:36:18,110 --> 00:36:18,710 First speaker. 464 00:36:19,090 --> 00:36:21,730 I was speaking support of the side of the Mr. Robert Chang. 465 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,480 Your ear, if we need you. 466 00:36:26,180 --> 00:36:28,640 If we need you to speak, you're here to answer questions? 467 00:36:29,180 --> 00:36:29,780 I don't think so. 468 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:35,760 I bet we can have a question. 469 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,640 We're pretty good at raising questions. 470 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:39,400 Come on. 471 00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:39,800 Come on. 472 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:43,280 Okay. 473 00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:52,980 Just saying if you'll give us your name and address for the record, 474 00:36:53,540 --> 00:36:54,540 we know why you're here. 475 00:36:55,220 --> 00:36:55,440 Yes. 476 00:36:55,860 --> 00:36:56,880 My name is Robert Chen. 477 00:36:56,980 --> 00:36:58,100 I'm an hockey tech. 478 00:36:58,100 --> 00:37:02,780 I'm the, uh, the, uh, the applicant for this project. 479 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:03,860 What's your address? 480 00:37:04,420 --> 00:37:05,940 Uh, the address is my address? 481 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:06,320 Yes. 482 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,300 The 5A34 win-metalline in Dallas, Texas. 483 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:10,220 Thank you. 484 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,360 Mr. Dean, questions of Mr. Chang. 485 00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:17,600 Mr. Gray. 486 00:37:19,220 --> 00:37:21,120 I don't know where the way it's this time coming up. 487 00:37:21,420 --> 00:37:23,200 You know, it's out there and Lisa asked him one question. 488 00:37:23,420 --> 00:37:24,900 Why should we go for this? 489 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:26,240 Why? 490 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:28,400 I don't know. 491 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,520 So let's say it's the 20 seconds of that as well. 492 00:37:34,260 --> 00:37:39,400 We tried to come here and improve the mainstream for the city of Grandberry. 493 00:37:40,060 --> 00:37:43,320 At the same time, we know we are taking the risk for the business. 494 00:37:44,260 --> 00:37:49,220 Based on our study, I'm not only only on the restaurant, but based on the study of the restaurant owners. 495 00:37:49,860 --> 00:37:54,380 There's some potential business-wise for this table restaurant. 496 00:37:55,080 --> 00:38:04,700 And I think once we're coming, not only create a better building on the ministry, but also create the text best for the city. 497 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,580 And that's it. We're winning the technical speech. 498 00:38:10,020 --> 00:38:15,380 I think we're hoping it's a win-win situation, but both of the city and for us. 499 00:38:16,620 --> 00:38:18,820 Yeah, there you go, that one, that one, that one. 500 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:19,820 That one, that one, that one, that one. 501 00:38:19,820 --> 00:38:21,600 Yeah, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one. 502 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,380 a little sorry for that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. 503 00:38:25,420 --> 00:38:28,280 Ronda. Yes, that's an architect 504 00:38:31,870 --> 00:38:33,590 trying to match that at the 505 00:38:33,590 --> 00:38:36,950 uptown. I'm finding that relationship is trying to 506 00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:41,150 use it to help me through it. Thank you very much for that. Thank you. 507 00:38:42,450 --> 00:38:45,310 Good point. Thank you, Mr. Zayn. Thanks for the questions of Mr. 508 00:38:45,390 --> 00:38:49,470 Chang. Thanks for being here, Mr. Chang. Thank you. 509 00:38:49,830 --> 00:38:56,890 Appreciate it. Any further discussion? Motion? 510 00:39:03,060 --> 00:39:14,420 Mr. Chairman, I move that we close the public hearing on case SU14405 S and S14404. 511 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:22,900 The specific use permit and a site plan permit and approve it as presented by staff. 512 00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:27,900 We have a motion on Commissioner Moser and a second by Commissioner Gray for approval. 513 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,640 Commissioners, let's vote. 514 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:39,780 Try again. 515 00:39:40,140 --> 00:39:40,700 Yeah. 516 00:39:45,770 --> 00:39:47,070 Approved at zero. 517 00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:49,590 Good luck, Miss Chang. 518 00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:50,510 Thank you all. 519 00:39:51,210 --> 00:39:51,830 Thank you. 520 00:39:53,310 --> 00:39:57,130 Next case this evening is just the only case. 521 00:39:57,130 --> 00:39:59,350 z140402. 522 00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:06,330 Good evening, I'm Denise Thomas with the Planning Department. 523 00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:21,620 A zoning case number 140402 is a request to do a planned development district at the northwest corner of campus and south carrier parkway. 524 00:40:22,020 --> 00:40:31,680 The images on the screen are Google shots of the property. This is viewing the property from the intersection looking northwest. 525 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:36,760 And this is viewing the property from camp wisdom looking north. 526 00:40:37,940 --> 00:40:43,040 I've included some photos of the property as it exists today. 527 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,120 The property is currently, the bulk of the property is currently undeveloped, 528 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,600 but it does have a gas, well, pad site behind this wall, 529 00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:02,380 and it has an existing cell tower and the equipment associated with the cell tower 530 00:41:02,380 --> 00:41:04,220 on the property. 531 00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:12,580 The applicant has done a parcel assemblage, their multiple parcels that 532 00:41:12,580 --> 00:41:18,720 equal 16.97 acres. The property is split zone, the portion of the property is within the 533 00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:26,160 planned bomb and district 242 area and the balance of the property at the hard corner, including 534 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:32,520 the cell tower and the well site are currently zone general retail. Like I said, the property 535 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,600 located at the Northwest corner of the intersection and what they'd like to do is develop 536 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:42,720 the acreage with a single family detached residential development. That would include the 537 00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:51,520 capping of the well, the filling in of the existing pond and they want to maintain the telecommunications tower 538 00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:54,220 as part of the development. 539 00:41:57,140 --> 00:42:01,320 The property, as I said, is zone, it splits zone. This portion of the property 540 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,900 is part of Planned Development District 242. 541 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,400 The area in blue is zone, general retail, 542 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,940 and the property to the west and south 543 00:42:11,940 --> 00:42:16,280 is zone agriculture district, and PD136 is east 544 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:16,980 of the property. 545 00:42:24,060 --> 00:42:27,420 The proposal to establish the residential development 546 00:42:27,420 --> 00:42:29,860 to telecommunications tower has some nuances 547 00:42:29,860 --> 00:42:32,240 that are unique to the site. 548 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,280 Among them are the fact that there 549 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,840 an existing gas well and pond on property. 550 00:42:38,540 --> 00:42:44,940 The applicant has submitted the operator of the well, Chesapeake, has submitted a notice 551 00:42:44,940 --> 00:42:51,060 of intent to cap the well, which is known as Form W3A to the state railroad commission. 552 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,280 And the railway commission has approved their plans to cap the well. 553 00:42:56,380 --> 00:43:03,680 Once the well is inspected and capped, they will receive a Form W3, which will be filed 554 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,360 and that efficiently caps the well after that happens. 555 00:43:08,020 --> 00:43:13,860 The applicant is looking to put residential lots on top of the area that used to be the 556 00:43:13,860 --> 00:43:19,800 fraccon and take down the wall and develop the property. 557 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:26,660 In addition to the well component of their proposal, there is an existing telecommunications 558 00:43:26,660 --> 00:43:32,280 tower and telecommunications towers are not permissible in residential districts, which 559 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:38,120 factored into the applicant's decision to do a planned development district for this for this proposal. 560 00:43:40,140 --> 00:43:49,540 The ordinance requires that a setback of three times the height of the cell tower be provided. 561 00:43:49,780 --> 00:43:55,460 The cell tower is 80 feet tall, so a 240 foot buffer has to be provided on the property. 562 00:43:55,460 --> 00:44:05,180 There are some modifications to some of our regulations that they are requesting and I'll go over those in a minute and they're asking for approval of their concept plan. 563 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:13,120 The underlying zoning for the proposal will be a straight, single-family district for. 564 00:44:13,620 --> 00:44:23,940 On the screen before you, I've shown you the requirements for SF4 and I've shown you what they are providing and they do meet all of the minimum requirements for SF4. 565 00:44:26,820 --> 00:44:55,640 On the screen before you is the concept plan for the proposed zone change, but we are looking to do this is the black line is the boundary of the project, the project includes 58 total lots of those 58, you have 1, 2, 3 lots that are common or open space lots, and then you have 55 residential lots that will be proposed with this development. 566 00:44:56,860 --> 00:44:59,360 The Buffer Area shown in yellow. 567 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:23,160 Is the buffer the setback requirement from the existing cell tower? And the landscape easements along the public rights of way are also provided at a rate of 30 feet wide for the length of those rights of way as required by our code. Access to the development will be gained from carrier parkway and from camp wisdom road. 568 00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:29,350 The property is in conformance with our future land use map. 569 00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:33,850 Our future land use map designates this area for low density residential development, 570 00:45:34,130 --> 00:45:40,370 which equates to about zero to six dwelling units in acre, a net acre, and that translates 571 00:45:40,370 --> 00:45:45,450 to a zoning designation anywhere from our agriculture district to single-family district 572 00:45:45,450 --> 00:45:45,930 six. 573 00:45:46,450 --> 00:45:55,150 The applicant's density is 3.994-inch, and so we call it four, and they are asking 574 00:45:55,150 --> 00:46:00,630 for SF4's zoning, so their proposal meets the minimum requirements of the future land you 575 00:46:00,630 --> 00:46:02,350 smack in the comprehensive plan. 576 00:46:04,330 --> 00:46:07,650 As I mentioned, the applicant is requesting a couple of modifications. 577 00:46:07,870 --> 00:46:14,510 They aren't asking for any appeals per se, however the proposed development does have some 578 00:46:14,510 --> 00:46:17,610 some nuances that need to be captured in the conditions of approval. 579 00:46:18,010 --> 00:46:24,310 Among those are the fact that, as of today, the well is not capped and the pond is not 580 00:46:24,310 --> 00:46:24,990 filled in. 581 00:46:24,990 --> 00:46:29,070 So staff is supportive of approving the zoning and the preliminary 582 00:46:29,070 --> 00:46:32,830 plat subject to the applicant providing proof prior to final 583 00:46:32,830 --> 00:46:35,950 plat approval that they've complied with the Texas Roro 584 00:46:35,950 --> 00:46:39,010 Commission's requirements and the city of Grand Prairie 585 00:46:39,010 --> 00:46:41,730 Requirements for capping the well and filling in the pond. 586 00:46:43,450 --> 00:46:48,970 The lot sizes are consistent with the SF4 requirements in our 587 00:46:48,970 --> 00:46:50,290 unified development code. 588 00:46:50,290 --> 00:46:57,770 However, as you know, we typically review resolution 3924, which was adopted by City Council 589 00:46:57,770 --> 00:47:00,390 against all residential subdivisions. 590 00:47:01,510 --> 00:47:08,830 Residential, our resolution 3924 typically equates to a zoning designation of SF, somewhere 591 00:47:08,830 --> 00:47:14,770 between SF-2 and SF-3, which is a larger, a larger, a lot, less dense development. 592 00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:20,170 What they're proposing is an SF-4, and so, because of that, 593 00:47:20,170 --> 00:47:32,330 Some of what they're proposing is inconsistent with resolution 39, 24, specifically the resolution 39, 24 requires lots to be a minimum of 65 feet. 594 00:47:32,730 --> 00:47:46,610 These lots are, and it requires 80% of the lots to be 78 hundred square feet, and they don't have that approximately 51% of the lots are over 78 hundred square feet. 595 00:47:46,610 --> 00:47:51,210 But again, it is worth noting that they are asking for SF4. 596 00:47:51,810 --> 00:47:57,670 These, the lots in this development and the density in this development is less dense than the existing development to the north. 597 00:47:58,270 --> 00:48:00,910 And they do meet the minimum requirements for SF4. 598 00:48:01,050 --> 00:48:10,130 So staff is supportive of their proposal, as long as we include a condition that says that they will meet all of the minimum requirements for SF4 not deviate. 599 00:48:13,410 --> 00:48:19,110 Our recommendation, we do not recommend full support because there are some nuances and things that have to be. 600 00:48:19,110 --> 00:48:22,790 They have to be approved by City Council, some modifications. 601 00:48:23,230 --> 00:48:27,730 But we are supportive of the proposal and we don't object to it if you choose to approve it. 602 00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:34,090 Subject it down in your staff report the concept plan and their modification request. 603 00:48:35,550 --> 00:48:36,690 That concludes my presentation. 604 00:48:37,070 --> 00:48:38,130 I'm available for any questions. 605 00:48:41,980 --> 00:48:42,500 We 606 00:48:47,210 --> 00:48:49,750 do have two speaker cards in this case. 607 00:48:50,670 --> 00:48:52,790 First is from Mr. Robert Shelton. 608 00:48:55,820 --> 00:48:56,960 We'll speak support of that. 609 00:49:00,990 --> 00:49:02,250 My name is Robert Shelton. 610 00:49:02,810 --> 00:49:06,710 I'm at 9409 Aldridge Court in Fort Worth, Texas, 611 00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:07,710 and I'm the developer. 612 00:49:09,550 --> 00:49:12,890 And one thing I think this is going to be our highest 613 00:49:12,890 --> 00:49:14,190 and best use for this property. 614 00:49:14,650 --> 00:49:17,090 They've marketed it retail and just doesn't work. 615 00:49:17,710 --> 00:49:22,230 One thing, too, I think, in 39.24 that resolution, it does allow for some 50-foot wide 616 00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:22,770 lots. 617 00:49:23,070 --> 00:49:26,970 We've elected to go with 60-foot wide lots, so we're kind of going over in above, I think, 618 00:49:27,050 --> 00:49:27,790 was the very minimum. 619 00:49:29,650 --> 00:49:35,330 I went and talked, and met with the Humorers Association to the North, Todd Hancock as a president, 620 00:49:36,190 --> 00:49:41,010 and of the 14-locks that are joined this subdivision there. 621 00:49:42,740 --> 00:49:48,060 8 of them said yes, 3 of them basically weren't home. 622 00:49:49,180 --> 00:49:52,780 One said no, that they don't come back at all, and one was undecided. 623 00:49:54,060 --> 00:49:58,220 So I actually wanted to tell them four times on several different, for a period of two weeks. 624 00:49:58,220 --> 00:49:59,500 So uh 625 00:50:00,580 --> 00:50:12,480 Also met with Clay News. He's the President of the H.O.A., the Hills of Westchester, and Rosemary Reed, who's a past president of the H.O.A. there. 626 00:50:13,180 --> 00:50:14,940 So, basically I'm looking for any questions. 627 00:50:21,010 --> 00:50:21,890 I have a question, Mr. Miley. 628 00:50:22,810 --> 00:50:29,250 Michelle, let me ask you a question about developing this property. I'm more concerned about the people that don't live there than the people that do it. 629 00:50:29,250 --> 00:50:37,150 When these homes are sold, or put up for sale, will the prospective buyers be told that there 630 00:50:37,150 --> 00:50:41,190 is a cat-well, X number of feet from the house that they want to buy? 631 00:50:41,350 --> 00:50:43,110 Sure, sure that'll be just close to them. 632 00:50:44,430 --> 00:50:51,520 Number two, on this property, there is that the U.S. 633 00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,040 as a result of that, it requires a 634 00:50:58,700 --> 00:51:07,840 The result of that, there is not an insignificant amount of long-term maintenance that is required of that area. 635 00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:18,520 And I assume that the maintenance for that area and the money is required to maintain that area would come from homeowner association dues. 636 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:26,600 is that correct? Yes. Will prospective buyers of homes be advised of that circumstance 637 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:32,900 that for as long as they live there, I assume as long as they live there, potentially 638 00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:37,860 as long as they live there, they have to pay for the maintenance on the cell phone tower 639 00:51:37,860 --> 00:51:44,000 set back area. That'll be disclosed. Thank you. 640 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,660 What kind of plan is this? 641 00:51:45,660 --> 00:51:46,980 It's just an orchid, and what's this about? 642 00:51:47,540 --> 00:51:49,740 The homeowners association is not mandatory. 643 00:51:50,060 --> 00:51:50,480 It's voluntary. 644 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,900 So they're not getting a lot of participation point to understand from the president. 645 00:51:54,420 --> 00:51:55,440 There's going to be mandatory. 646 00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:57,640 So I can say, why? 647 00:51:58,540 --> 00:52:00,520 I've got a whole bunch. 648 00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:07,460 I mean, I think the key thing there clearly is that this is not an insignificant expense 649 00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:09,580 to a homeowner association. 650 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:11,700 This won't be insignificant. 651 00:52:12,820 --> 00:52:15,720 And I hope the people that buy homes there realize that. 652 00:52:20,670 --> 00:52:21,630 Thank you. 653 00:52:21,870 --> 00:52:21,950 Thank you. 654 00:52:21,950 --> 00:52:23,430 Miss, is any other questions, Mr. Shelton? 655 00:52:23,850 --> 00:52:25,190 Mr. Chairman, I have a question. 656 00:52:25,470 --> 00:52:25,910 Mr. McGray? 657 00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:29,230 Mr. Shelton, thank you for coming down. 658 00:52:30,050 --> 00:52:33,130 On this, uh, Westchester Cross in addition to paper that I have. 659 00:52:34,450 --> 00:52:36,350 I miss eight people that are in paper. 660 00:52:38,170 --> 00:52:39,930 And in this world where we, 661 00:52:39,930 --> 00:52:40,650 We 662 00:52:44,900 --> 00:52:46,580 tied in cock and clay moose. 663 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,420 What a wildest candidate. 664 00:52:49,980 --> 00:52:50,340 I see them. 665 00:52:52,890 --> 00:52:58,130 Rosemary Reed, her house, a bunch of this subdivision, and she's kind of neutral on it. 666 00:52:58,290 --> 00:53:00,650 She refused to take us to either way. 667 00:53:02,070 --> 00:53:06,790 She kind of said if you put it in a pit, I'll go with you, but if not, I won't. 668 00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:08,910 And I didn't realize that the town that was already in a pit. 669 00:53:08,990 --> 00:53:10,090 I don't think nobody did. 670 00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:13,070 So I've contacted her and said, it's already in the pit. 671 00:53:13,210 --> 00:53:13,930 She's a great. 672 00:53:13,930 --> 00:53:19,710 So, and she's the former Chairperson of the Home Owners Association, correct? 673 00:53:19,970 --> 00:53:21,350 Yes, sir. 674 00:53:21,550 --> 00:53:22,430 You're talking about? 675 00:53:22,750 --> 00:53:25,790 Yeah, Todd Hancock is the current President of the H.O.A. 676 00:53:25,890 --> 00:53:27,650 And Hancock, about as well? 677 00:53:28,070 --> 00:53:30,110 Not he kind of abstained from it. 678 00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:32,890 He doesn't live on the adjoining the same thing. 679 00:53:32,910 --> 00:53:35,870 They were all three in the grants that, hey, if I join the peer, they're with me. 680 00:53:36,050 --> 00:53:37,470 If I don't, they're probably not going to be with me. 681 00:53:37,530 --> 00:53:38,850 And they're the leaders of that? 682 00:53:40,110 --> 00:53:40,330 Okay. 683 00:53:40,590 --> 00:53:41,570 Cloud Newsom? 684 00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:45,630 The same thing, he's a president of Western Shavalli. 685 00:53:46,070 --> 00:53:49,290 Sir, the leaders are the hormones associated to took a neutral response on that. 686 00:53:49,310 --> 00:53:52,250 Yeah, they said if I joined the PISA, they don't know. 687 00:53:52,250 --> 00:53:58,010 Okay, so they're allowing the people to go ahead and take a vote and then you have the eight people that will list it. 688 00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:59,110 Okay, thank you. 689 00:53:59,490 --> 00:53:59,710 Appreciate it. 690 00:54:01,250 --> 00:54:01,870 Mr. Fellow. 691 00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:04,780 Thank you. 692 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,120 One comment for an extra question. 693 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,080 I know Rosemary Reed very well. 694 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:14,240 can not imagine that she doesn't have an opinion one way or another on this. 695 00:54:14,380 --> 00:54:15,160 And I think against her. 696 00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:15,340 I think against her. 697 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:15,800 I think against her. 698 00:54:17,580 --> 00:54:19,460 No, we're very well. 699 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:20,560 Good for you. 700 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:29,420 Well, this homeowners association, the price of maintenance on this clearance around the tower, 701 00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:34,940 well, it affects the other homeowners association at all to the north. 702 00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:40,900 It depends it's about a two-acre side there and I'm hoping eventually it's least right now 703 00:54:40,900 --> 00:54:44,480 to the cell tower and it's got about 30 years left. 704 00:54:44,780 --> 00:54:48,500 Basically when that leaves those away I'm expecting the technology to take over won't be necessary 705 00:54:48,500 --> 00:54:54,700 and the H.O.A. have a nice park but it'll probably end up in the pit so I'm thinking at this point. 706 00:54:57,500 --> 00:54:59,980 Right now the maintenance of that. 707 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:06,340 That cell phone tarot clearance easement around it will not affect the existing homeowner's association. 708 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:07,660 No, sir, no. 709 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,240 Okay, thank you. 710 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,680 You had a question, Mr. Shelton? 711 00:55:13,340 --> 00:55:13,980 Commissioner Spire. 712 00:55:14,340 --> 00:55:17,660 So you said that you expect the maintenance to go over to the pit. 713 00:55:18,740 --> 00:55:22,380 On the peninsula pit, on the treasurer and secretary of that pit. 714 00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:28,000 And the HOAs, like to turn over their land, to the pit, as it takes us as something you're expecting to happen. 715 00:55:28,540 --> 00:55:35,400 Yeah, I'm expecting it to go to the pit and the thin take care because I really want it and I think that property is already in the pit 716 00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,740 So I don't think it makes sense to do anything else. 717 00:55:39,140 --> 00:55:42,640 So all the homes in this area will pay HOA dues and pit dues. 718 00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:43,280 Yes. 719 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:43,700 Okay. 720 00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:44,840 Thank you. 721 00:55:47,590 --> 00:55:48,490 Mr. Moser. 722 00:55:48,730 --> 00:55:52,310 Until that happens though, you have to maintain it as a developer, right? 723 00:55:52,430 --> 00:55:52,770 Yes sir. 724 00:55:53,150 --> 00:55:53,290 Okay. 725 00:55:53,390 --> 00:55:54,630 Do we form the HOA? 726 00:55:58,520 --> 00:55:58,700 Yep. 727 00:55:59,620 --> 00:55:59,740 Yeah. 728 00:55:59,740 --> 00:56:00,900 And H.O.A. would be required. 729 00:56:00,980 --> 00:56:04,980 One of the issues that staff's going to have to look at is if that area that is currently 730 00:56:04,980 --> 00:56:11,420 the buffer for the cell tower, if that is private for the benefit of the people in this 731 00:56:11,420 --> 00:56:15,680 particular development and not a larger area, it cannot be in the pit. 732 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,880 And so it really depends on how we set that up. 733 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:23,160 I think the landscape buffer, those things can be in the pit, but this open area for the 734 00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,940 buffer for the cell tower, at least on the front end of this thing, would have to be part 735 00:56:25,940 --> 00:56:26,660 of an H.O.A. 736 00:56:26,660 --> 00:56:31,460 Yeah, my first choice is to not be in the pit at all is to have the HOA take care of everything 737 00:56:31,460 --> 00:56:36,460 landscape buffer in the two acre park and everything totally, but what I've been told is it's 738 00:56:36,460 --> 00:56:39,520 already in the pit, so I don't have any choice, as far as the perimeter. 739 00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:42,260 So I'm going to make sense where to all go to one place. 740 00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:48,440 What I've seen is they will turn it over to the city park, you know, no one can really use it 741 00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,300 except the residents and then it goes into the pit. 742 00:56:50,620 --> 00:56:53,720 That's happened to lakes down on the on the peninsula down there as well. 743 00:56:53,720 --> 00:56:57,620 other public lakes, public fishing is allowed there, but no can really get there because 744 00:56:57,620 --> 00:57:05,520 there's no parking, so is it mandatory already to be in the PID, the upside landscape 745 00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:06,600 buffer and everything? 746 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,020 I'm not familiar as much with the Lake Parks PID before I understand that the camp wisdom all 747 00:57:11,020 --> 00:57:13,760 the way down Cancels wisdom is controlled by that PID is right. 748 00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:16,400 That's correct. 749 00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:22,360 This law is in the public improvement district with Westchester Hills, it's one giant 750 00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:23,080 PID. 751 00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,640 Okay. It's a route horn. 752 00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:32,080 So, you know what the self company is required to maintain around them? 753 00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:40,220 Basically, nothing. They've got like a brick small storage facility around it, I guess they store equipment. 754 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:46,300 And they've got like a little buffer around that, but basically nothing. There's no maintenance to it. We have to provide access to it. 755 00:57:46,460 --> 00:57:52,760 What are the other restrictions on the land other than to have to, they can't build anything. 756 00:57:56,660 --> 00:58:01,680 The requirement is that it be three times the height of the tower from a residential zone 757 00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:02,120 lot. 758 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:03,540 Our residential zone property. 759 00:58:04,460 --> 00:58:07,460 And so that's the requirement for the buffer that's part of their preliminary 760 00:58:07,940 --> 00:58:08,420 plant. 761 00:58:08,500 --> 00:58:09,680 It could be used as a park. 762 00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,280 It could be used as a park. 763 00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:14,740 I don't see an issue with that. 764 00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,780 The issue is what's being discussed is whether or not it's in the pit or part of the 765 00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,880 And I think at least in the near-term we're looking at something in part to be part of the HOA. 766 00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:27,740 Mr. Gray. 767 00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:29,120 Do you? 768 00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:30,040 I do have a question. 769 00:58:30,180 --> 00:58:31,820 I have a question from Rosemary. 770 00:58:35,710 --> 00:58:37,530 She doesn't heard you talking about. 771 00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:38,470 She told me. 772 00:58:38,970 --> 00:58:39,830 So here we go. 773 00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:49,600 The question is, can you try to read bad eyes? 774 00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:54,620 Can you build some fences that are backing up to the old neighbor? 775 00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:01,900 here's the situation there's a one or two fences over there they're not in good shape and they said hey 776 00:59:01,900 --> 00:59:07,360 if you put us a new fence up will support you and we just don't do that what we do is custom merely 777 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:11,400 is when we build a house there we put a brand new fence up for that homeowner we put the fence up now 778 00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,840 it may be two or three years where they move in and they're going to get a little fence so it's kind of like 779 00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:24,600 every time you develop something or build something next to one of the neighbors they they want to 780 00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,320 And, of course, they didn't work like that. 781 00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:27,780 I think they needed new fans at this time. 782 00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,520 They should get it because it's going to take a long time 783 00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,260 to develop this property and build the houses. 784 00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:34,940 And, is that time, can we put a brand new fence out? 785 00:59:35,580 --> 00:59:35,620 Sir. 786 00:59:35,700 --> 00:59:36,320 Mr. Schermozer. 787 00:59:38,380 --> 00:59:40,800 The typically, I don't know, you probably know it's better than that. 788 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,040 But typically, if they have a self-taught on a piece of property, 789 00:59:43,220 --> 00:59:44,380 they pay rent. 790 00:59:45,220 --> 00:59:46,880 Does this one not pay rent? 791 00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,060 Or did they, did they, they front-end load it? 792 00:59:49,620 --> 00:59:51,920 So the existing, so they front-end loaded it. 793 00:59:52,020 --> 00:59:54,560 So the existing landowner got all the money already. 794 00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,900 and they don't pay anything now for the rest of their contract. 795 00:59:58,100 --> 00:59:59,380 I think it's been about 30 years, 796 00:59:59,500 --> 00:59:59,980 but it was like... 797 01:00:03,340 --> 01:00:10,610 Okay, so you're not going to get any monthly fees out of this? No. No, no, no. 798 01:00:10,790 --> 01:00:13,250 The rest is any other questions, Mr. Shelton. 799 01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:17,000 Thanks for being here, Mr. Shelton. 800 01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:23,580 We do have one other speaker card. If you wish, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Salman Ashad. 801 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:36,200 My name is Mr. Salman Ashad, with A&A Consultants. I'm the engineer on the property, and a big letter answered in the question that there is any. 802 01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:40,430 That's great, Mr. Gray. 803 01:00:41,130 --> 01:00:44,590 You know when you have a Twitter account, people seem to use it for some reason. 804 01:00:46,430 --> 01:00:49,230 We're going back again on the fence line. 805 01:00:49,570 --> 01:00:51,830 Brick, well, this is the democracy system. 806 01:00:55,500 --> 01:00:56,580 Brick walls. 807 01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,400 The Westchester community normally has brick walls alongside the, 808 01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,800 alongside the meetings, that's something that's going to be discussed. 809 01:01:07,100 --> 01:01:11,820 It would be a brick wall along Carrier Parkway and Kim Bootham. 810 01:01:12,540 --> 01:01:14,940 Mr. Shelton, you stood up as something like this. 811 01:01:17,300 --> 01:01:18,200 That's a requirement. 812 01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:23,600 It's a requirement to run a brand new brick wall along Carrier Parkway and Kim Bootham Road. 813 01:01:25,060 --> 01:01:25,360 Thank you. 814 01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:26,140 I appreciate it. 815 01:01:26,140 --> 01:01:27,140 I'll tweet it back on that. 816 01:01:28,540 --> 01:01:28,880 Thank you. 817 01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:29,560 Any other questions? 818 01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:30,580 Mr. Nose? 819 01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:33,220 Thank you. 820 01:01:33,340 --> 01:01:33,900 Give it to Mother. 821 01:01:35,060 --> 01:01:35,820 Thanks for being here. 822 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:46,820 I would like to make a motion that we close the public hearing and approve KZ140402 as presented by staff. 823 01:01:47,620 --> 01:01:52,820 We have a motion for approval by the committee, second by Commissioner Spayer. 824 01:01:53,940 --> 01:01:54,180 Thank you. 825 01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:02,620 Thank you. 826 01:02:04,060 --> 01:02:04,060 I believe 827 01:02:06,170 --> 01:02:09,810 that concluded our agenda this evening. 828 01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:15,570 Anyone have any comments? 829 01:02:15,570 --> 01:02:16,550 I do have a copy. 830 01:02:16,710 --> 01:02:17,430 Yeah, I do have a copy. 831 01:02:17,690 --> 01:02:18,150 Go out there. 832 01:02:18,890 --> 01:02:23,650 I decided that the hearing queen does not get a subject in the box to see a cell that 833 01:02:23,650 --> 01:02:25,350 can blizz it up for everyone. 834 01:02:25,950 --> 01:02:27,650 We have to have a box to go. 835 01:02:27,650 --> 01:02:28,750 You are, you are a sewer. 836 01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:32,070 There is further like quality on it. 837 01:02:32,190 --> 01:02:33,310 I don't know if that will do that. 838 01:02:33,470 --> 01:02:35,370 I think that's the next one. 839 01:02:35,530 --> 01:02:36,850 I have another suggestion. 840 01:02:38,430 --> 01:02:44,490 We need, and I think we need to check our cell phones in with Chris. 841 01:02:45,450 --> 01:02:51,470 ...I know, but we know this could be a dangerous present. 842 01:02:55,210 --> 01:03:01,530 It could be if the discussions continue, maybe that we have to schedule an ethic session 843 01:03:01,530 --> 01:03:02,770 before we have another meeting. 844 01:03:03,710 --> 01:03:08,650 Every time we are announcing the election, it will be revealed, that we will give a actual 845 01:03:08,650 --> 01:03:09,290 picture of it at a certain moment. 846 01:03:09,290 --> 01:03:12,030 We have motion for a German the second. We're a German. 847 01:03:16,300 --> 01:03:17,160 I know it.