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[2:11] First out on this evening, it was the implication, please bow with me.
[2:17] Our Heavenly Father, we are thankful for this day and the many blessings we enjoy.
[2:23] We are thankful for those who serve to protect the citizens of Grand Prairie and we pray
[2:29] that you protect our servicemen and women around the world.
[2:33] We are thankful for being able to gather this evening in God this commission,
[2:37] to accomplish purposes for the betterment of the city and the citizens of Grand Prairie.
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[2:46] We ask these things in cross name.
[2:50] Next item is the consent agenda.
[2:53] Commissioner Moss.
[2:54] Thank you.
[2:55] I'd like to make a motion to approve the disapproval of flats without prejudice.
[3:01] All the items under the consent agenda of item number one.
[3:04] And then also items 1 through 6 and then also postpone items number 7 and 8 and I believe that's it.
[3:21] We have a motion commissioner Moss for approval of the consent agenda.
[3:25] I don't have a second by commissioner Mozer.
[3:28] Let's vote.
[3:43] Do you vote, Liam?
[3:45] You can
[3:51] vote yes.
[3:53] Yes, that's up.
[3:55] One of the votes for Commissioner, are the vote for Commissioner Motley does not show, but he is voting yes.
[4:01] So this is approved 80.
[4:05] Much of, Liam, much of puncher, but one more time.
[4:08] See if it's.
[4:16] Okay.
[4:18] Okay.
[4:19] Yeah, my vote.
[4:27] We're just Mike, okay, officially it's Ike Zero, everybody's worth, okay, yeah, we got it.
[4:37] But you had a rocker go ahead.
[4:39] Thank you, Chairman.
[4:43] We, uh, get that.
[4:45] But our first side of this evening is item A S 0 3 0 6 0 1 A. This property is located
[4:54] at 828 to South Carrier. This is a site-plan amendment for the Cedar Prayer.
[5:02] This is a office development that is located north of Odesco and excuse me, west of South Carrier.
[5:12] The proposal itself is for the new WIC office and retail store that's part of the WIC facility itself.
[5:19] They're proposing to build a new $7,670, $7,400 square foot building.
[5:24] That's a typo on the screen.
[5:28] The property is 0.64 acres in size.
[5:30] It's a current in his own PD12.
[5:33] It is in the state 161 overlay.
[5:37] As far as the development of the staff,
[5:38] it does mean all of the development standards.
[5:40] However, there is an appeal for the rear-set max standard that is in place.
[5:45] The surrounding land use in this area,
[5:47] As I mentioned, this is part of the Cedar Prairie Office Development, and we've got
[5:52] a development within that PD-12 general retail uses, and so it's really surrounded by different
[5:57] offices, the medical, the Methodist Tossable Center, the Metro Care Services, and private
[6:04] one deviation is to the west.
[6:07] We do have single family attached product west of this development proposal.
[6:12] Just a couple of photographs, some of the existing buildings that are in place as part
[6:16] that Cedar Prairie office complex.
[6:21] On the one on the right-hand size is the proposal
[6:23] case for the new WIC office itself.
[6:26] It's actually in the north-west corner of the development.
[6:30] This is the proposed site plan.
[6:32] The major differences, as we've talked about in the briefing,
[6:36] is they're actually looking at expanding the size
[6:38] of the footprint of the previously approved site plan
[6:41] for this particular lots for 4,000 square feet
[6:45] to just under 7,400 square feet.
[6:47] And really the building in South is pushed to North.
[6:51] There was previously a parking lot that was located there and I've got a graphic of that
[6:55] in a moment, but the expansion will increase the building just about two times what was originally
[7:02] approved.
[7:03] One of the issues that came up in briefing was parking.
[7:06] This particular proposal has a 29 spaces that are part of the plan.
[7:12] This particular use, the government office requires one parking space for 375 square
[7:17] speed of space, which equates to 20 spaces, so they actually have 9 more spaces than what
[7:24] the code currently requires. We do have some elevations. I think this is very typical to
[7:29] the development that's currently in place in terms of the buildings that are out there, so it's
[7:33] really meeting the previous site plan approval that was in place. There's really no changes in
[7:38] terms of the type of construction, same thing with the landscaping, the really meeting what was
[7:43] place at the time of the previous approval.
[7:47] The main thing that I guess I want to talk about with this particular slide is that they
[7:52] are looking to deviate the rear setback.
[7:55] What was on the original site plan was 25 feet of this zoning district that is located
[8:01] and actually allows a 20-foot setback.
[8:04] The building itself is going to be meeting the 20-foot setback except for the very southwest
[8:09] corner of that building, approximately 29 feet of the overall building, which is 117 feet of
[8:14] length, would be within 12 feet of the western property line, which abuds that's a single
[8:21] family attached development to the west, and so that is the one deviation that they're
[8:25] asking for from the code.
[8:29] With that, noted appeal, a staff is not able to recommend full approval of this particular
[8:34] case, but that we are supportive of the requested setback.
[8:39] deviation and being willing to answer any questions.
[8:44] I'd like to introduce any questions of Mr.
[8:47] Hinderogger.
[8:50] Thank you, sir.
[8:53] Do you want to have any speak to the court?
[8:56] Is that applicant here at the table?
[9:02] Commissioner Zeefer of the Discussion?
[9:07] Commissioner Mosa.
[9:10] I was hoping that the applicant or somebody would be here to talk about this because
[9:14] like I brought up in the briefing.
[9:17] I just don't think that there is near enough parking for what this facility is going to be used for.
[9:25] In talking to Mr. Hinderokker during the briefing,
[9:30] I saw what the code requires for this type of building.
[9:35] But, and as I told everybody else, I've had this week office in the building that I managed for a number of years.
[9:42] And even with 29 spaces, and if you go back to that picture of the actual existing plot,
[9:53] no, no, the existing, there you go.
[10:00] A little field of whole screen. No, it doesn't matter. You see there's a little parking lot up to the north of that, and that's got an additional 20 parking spaces in it. Right there. Yeah. I think belongs to the Methodist Medical Center that's right there.
[10:15] But even with that, when they were in my building, they had at least 12 full-time employees.
[10:26] And if you've got 29 parking places, and you've got 12 full-time employees,
[10:32] they're going to be there all the time. And that Wick store has, it's required to have, uh,
[10:38] I think it says seven spaces, even if they have one person there, there's only going to be six
[10:43] space is left over for people who are customers and I mean I know what the code says and
[10:48] all that but I just don't think there's going to be enough parking for this and I really
[10:51] wanted to talk to the person the people who were playing in this because I mean I don't
[10:56] know if it's right or not I just can't support it knowing that there's not going to be enough
[11:02] parking.
[11:06] That's all I got. I got nobody to talk to because they're not here.
[11:12] Let me ask you a question, and Bill raises a good point.
[11:17] In the ordinary course of events, if you had a facility like this, that the code allowed
[11:26] 29, it conforms to the code between nine-partum places.
[11:31] I think the question is, let's suppose that as a result of what Bill says, there are
[11:37] constant never-ending complaints from surrounding homeowners about customers for this place,
[11:47] parking on their property and, you know, interfering with their business, how would those sort
[11:54] of complaints make their way up here to city, or would they make their way up here to
[11:58] city hall at all? They may, they may not. My guess is that this is approved and built,
[12:03] There's insufficient parking based on the type of use that Commissioner Moser is referring to.
[12:09] We're likely to get complaints from the staff level.
[12:12] They may or may not contact council members, so I guess I'm not sure if it get to that level.
[12:18] From a staff perspective, I think it would be very difficult to try to physically do something about that short of having additional land available nearby or parking lot.
[12:28] This may be an underutilizer where we can maybe create some shared parking situation.
[12:32] And I don't really think you've got that in this case, really, it's built out.
[12:37] I don't know, personally, if the businesses that are in these other office space have
[12:42] extra space, you know, where they're really not using that right now, something we could
[12:46] look at.
[12:51] Yeah, I think typically, Lynn, you know, what that becomes, a problem is for the managers
[12:56] of all those businesses out there, if they come to work and, you know, the one business
[13:02] is taking all of their part, you know, whatever, and if it's not on their lot, if they
[13:05] have some kind of agreement and that's when you start to see that towing signs go up and I mean
[13:11] it can become a nightmare for everybody but that's how those things are usually solved if
[13:16] if they're parking in somebody else's face which is probably what would happen out there and that
[13:21] property owner is going to put up no parking only parking for my business and put up towing
[13:28] And so, well, okay, let me let me answer another question.
[13:40] Jim, are you satisfied that we've had enough discussions with this particular applicant
[13:45] and that this applicant understands that 29 parking places in fact may be insufficient
[13:53] or do they not understand the problem or have we not discussed the problem or
[13:58] I can state that staff has not got into any detailed discussion at all about parking with the
[14:03] applicant.
[14:05] I wasn't aware of the problems that Commissioner Moser is talking about about a previous
[14:09] location.
[14:10] I do think that it probably warms in discussion.
[14:13] I mean, if we get a situation with past experience, it's pretty obvious that the required
[14:19] parking was not sufficient parking.
[14:21] It is something that I was aware of that.
[14:22] I would definitely have been talking with the applicant about that and trying to see if
[14:26] with this site or maybe different site. There's opportunities for additional parking,
[14:32] but it wasn't something we talked about, I can assure you that.
[14:36] Yeah, I'm hesitant to move forward here, you know, clearly this applicant meets
[14:48] all the current code. Is that correct?
[14:51] Yes, other than that.
[14:53] But I'm also, I'm personally hesitant to create a problem for everybody else over there.
[15:00] The situation, and I have no reason that what Bill is saying here, if that's a case, since it's struck me, is that maybe we need to act cautiously here, and spend a little time talking to this applicant about their experiences,
[15:17] and typically, what do they see in terms of the number of people that part there? I mean, we might avoid a problem later by doing that because we're the point I'm trying to make.
[15:30] We'll surprise the applicant's not here, we met with them several times, and so I know it's
[15:34] aware of the meeting, so I'm not sure what happened.
[15:37] What do you think that's something that we ought to do to talk to this applicant before we move
[15:41] forward with it?
[15:42] I think based on the concerns being raised, I think that the excellent idea to have that
[15:46] conversation is, would it be appropriate to table this particular, but then we have some
[15:53] some of the other councillors, what have some councillors?
[15:55] I guess one of the questions, do we know any timing issues or anything that they have as far
[15:59] contracts or anything that would need to do that.
[16:02] I don't know about contracts, but I do know they're obviously ready to take it in the ground.
[16:06] As you can see, they've actually started some of the earthwork that's out there.
[16:09] So I know they're anxious to get going.
[16:10] I definitely know that.
[16:11] I think from where they are right now, they're releasing space in the bank of America building.
[16:15] I know where they are.
[16:16] I know where they went.
[16:17] And my guess is they're least expecting to be up.
[16:20] But out of the way.
[16:22] We're original, right?
[16:24] Yeah.
[16:25] How would I like to tell you,
[16:27] public hearing AS030601A with the permission of having a second due to all of the questions
[16:40] that have been asked regarding the applicants request.
[16:47] We may have a need for further discussion.
[16:51] Commissioner Eradonda.
[16:53] Well, yes, I did want to mention.
[16:55] But the landlord also owns or has some ownership with the properties to the south of it, right?
[17:03] So, at least in terms of just came in, at least in terms of being able to provide some auxiliary parking
[17:09] for any of the customers that might not have the space here.
[17:14] They could park to the south of it, right?
[17:16] It might not.
[17:17] If we have a motion and a second, then really we should vote on and less.
[17:24] someone wants to withdraw the motion. If that's the applicant that came in. So.
[17:28] That is the applicant.
[17:29] That choose not to withdraw.
[17:35] Mr. Gray, you said you choose to withdraw?
[17:37] No, you don't.
[17:40] Commissioner Aradano, did you finish your statement?
[17:42] I just feel that with the applicant here,
[17:45] I think we have an opportunity to get some of these answers.
[17:48] Well, we have a motion on the floor with a second.
[17:50] We have a motion by Commissioner Gray,
[17:51] of the Second Commissioner Motley to table this case.
[17:59] Rick.
[18:03] That would you second?
[18:05] There you go.
[18:08] The applicant's going to learn to show in a plate could be a real problem.
[18:15] But I wouldn't dispose to move this case forward in the absence of a discussion about the parking.
[18:22] And if the applicant is now here willing to discuss that parking, it might save all of us more time to hear him out.
[18:31] So do you draw your second?
[18:34] You would draw your second?
[18:36] Yes.
[18:37] I mean, it's actually a draw.
[18:38] Then the applicant is here.
[18:41] According to Mr. Hinderok.
[18:42] Yes.
[18:43] Okay.
[18:44] Then I would draw as well.
[18:45] Look, look at this here from the end.
[18:47] All right, the second has been a draw.
[18:48] So it's just it can't it's it counts as a that mushings
[18:58] Jim would you want to introduce us to the applicant
[19:08] Good afternoon my name is Raul is proud on my address is 1636 Cedar Hill Avenue Dallas Texas
[19:13] Mr. Stroud of there's some questions about actually about Parking yes, and
[19:19] I don't know how much you heard of that
[19:23] But
[19:24] Commissioner Moser you want to
[19:27] Okay, Mr. Strahdot. Yes, sir. You're you're proposing to build this facility, right? Yes, sir. Okay
[19:34] Your tendon is going to be the wick office that's currently in the bank of America building. They're going to relocate to this. Yes, sir
[19:41] Do you know how many square feet they're in in the bank of America building right now? Yes, or they're in
[19:46] 1,000 more square feet than here. So this would be there about 6,000 square feet. Okay, and you're also proposing to relocate the wick store to this location
[19:56] and it doesn't exist in the bank of America building, right?
[19:58] I'm proposing to have a...
[20:00] Space there for a week store. Do you know what the number of employees that that current location has? Six.
[20:10] The current location at Bank of America has six employees. Yes, sir. What about the week, well, the week store doesn't exist. How many employees is it supposed to have, too?
[20:22] And is this location going to carry on the same business that goes on currently at Bank of America? Yes, sir.
[20:28] Um, do they still teach, um, nutrition classes there?
[20:33] They do.
[20:34] Do they still teach, um, well, baby classes there?
[20:37] They do.
[20:38] Do they still teach, um, parenting classes there?
[20:41] You know, I don't know about the parenting classes.
[20:43] The other two I do, but I'm not real familiar with, you know,
[20:46] the, uh, all the schedule that they have there at the Whitclenic.
[20:48] Which is exactly why I'm asking you those questions.
[20:51] Yes, sir.
[20:52] What are their hours?
[20:53] Their hours are from, uh, eight in the morning to 430 in the afternoon.
[20:57] So they've reduced their hours recently then because they used to be from seven in the morning till about six o'clock at night.
[21:04] I don't think they're at seven in the morning from their clinics, but they're at some of the cleanser from seven thirty to four thirty.
[21:12] I believe four thirty, yes or?
[21:13] Okay, what are the hours of the food store going to be?
[21:18] The food store opens the same hours at the whipped clinic opens.
[21:25] And that's what you're proposing here, right?
[21:27] Yes, sir.
[21:28] Yes, sir.
[21:28] OK, have you, do you have any personal experience with an operation of this kind?
[21:38] I mean, I know they're operating over there at Bank of America.
[21:40] But do you have other places that you've rented to Wix stores and Wixer?
[21:45] OK, this is a bit of background on that.
[21:48] Pardon me?
[21:48] Can you give us a little bit of background on what you, on that for you?
[21:51] Yes, sure.
[21:52] This is a fifth office that I've built for them.
[21:55] I have some real estate in Dallas, and we have them in several shopping centers, and we built one staff alone building for them as well.
[22:04] And how big was that one?
[22:05] It's 6,000 square feet.
[22:08] And how much parking did it have?
[22:10] It had, I believe, 32 spaces.
[22:19] Okay.
[22:21] You weren't here for the beginning of this conversation, and you weren't in the briefing session, but
[22:27] I have a little bit of experience with this particular
[22:30] WIC office.
[22:31] Yes, I managed the building that they used to be in before they moved.
[22:37] And they moved to the Bank of America.
[22:39] They actually ended up taking up more space in the Bank of America building than they had
[22:43] in my building.
[22:45] And the issue that I brought up to the commission was, I have three acres.
[22:49] I have over 120 spaces, and there wasn't enough.
[22:53] Well, I have five different weakstores and none of them have over the, the a lot of parking which is 200 spaces for one space for 200 square feet and we don't have an issue with any of the parking spaces.
[23:06] Now, the weakstores have different occupant capacities. This one is running, I believe, at about 4,500 clients a month, which is what the, some of the others that I have, the biggest one we have runs about 7,000 clients a month, it's over on Lake June.
[23:22] And it occupies, we have way more than enough parking for practical reasons than what we've
[23:29] been what's required there.
[23:31] But we also have the lady that owns the business center, which is the developed that center
[23:35] is given us cross access to the parking immediately to the north of that end of the south as
[23:40] well.
[23:40] They have a business park that's, they have a method as clinic that has parking in the back
[23:45] has 22 spaces in addition.
[23:47] But I'm familiar with it and they've given us access to that parking for employee parking
[23:51] as well. You know, we've given them the number of employees that work at the Whitclenic and
[23:56] we asked for the variants because we wanted to add additional parking just to make sure we
[24:01] had more than enough.
[24:07] The building at the bank building, sir. I think it houses a lot of
[24:10] different, not just the Whitclenic, it houses a lot of government agencies. And if you've been
[24:15] over there, I think one of the reasons they want to come or relocate out of there is that
[24:19] the parking is horrible there. It's hard to get a parking space at that particular place.
[24:24] This has 29 spaces dedicated to it by itself, which I think is more than what they'll ever need at one time.
[24:34] Whick clinics are people come in for appointments, and they're set up. It's not a free-for-all.
[24:40] People that come in get their cards registered for the Whick programs.
[24:44] They come in, and they have scheduled appointments, and they come in a certain time throughout the whole day.
[24:48] It's not something that they put on. That's why sometimes they can locate it in business parks that are kind of behind that out.
[24:53] on the main thoroughfare, they come in and they, I don't know that was the case when they
[24:58] were in your building, but...
[25:00] But now they have a system where people go online or they call in. They get an appointment and they set those things up. So they have, like, they can tailor their plan or their workload throughout the whole day.
[25:13] Well, my building is three blocks away from here on this area, Parkway. And they may have improved their scheduling ability, but when they were in my building, they didn't have that.
[25:25] I understand they were at the Bank of America building for 10 years.
[25:29] They were in my building in 2003 and moved out in five or six, yes sure.
[25:36] So they've been in the Bank of America building for about six to eight, I would say.
[25:43] I don't have any other questions,
[25:47] I haven't changed my mind.
[25:48] In my personal experience, there is even with cross-parking agreements and everything else.
[25:54] I understand that you operate other clinics, but I personally have been managing a building that
[26:01] handled this particular clinic and unless they've reduced their staff by half, they have way more
[26:06] than six employees. I'm not saying that you're not telling the truth. I'm saying that my
[26:11] personal experience is different than yours for that reason. I still maintain that there's
[26:23] proving this, we will be creating a problem that
[26:30] will be solved later on by people getting towed, which
[26:32] is what it's going to boil down, too.
[26:34] So that's just my opinion.
[26:37] You have experience in your other areas.
[26:40] I mean, you have shopping centers that have overflow parking.
[26:44] This particular place doesn't.
[26:46] You're not going to get complaints from people
[26:48] whose yards they're parking in, because there's no residential
[26:51] around this, the stuff that's behind it is separated
[26:53] by a wall. These people aren't going to have any place to park, but that's just my opinion.
[26:59] Mr. Crowley? Mr. Strada, I think you mentioned that as part of your deal with the property
[27:06] owner, you have some cross-access parking agreement where you have access to additional parking
[27:11] do you know how many spaces you have access to in addition to the 29 that you're proposing here?
[27:17] Yes, she gave us when we had proposed the space to the WIC office, we had told them
[27:23] And the way the original, when we saw the site plan and the way the building was laid out
[27:27] tests, there's some parking on the north that belongs to the Methodist Hospital, right,
[27:31] to 22.
[27:32] And we had told them that that was part of the parking.
[27:34] We thought that that lot was,
[27:39] see, the parking up on the top.
[27:41] That was the parking that we had told them that that belonged to them.
[27:45] And so when we went back to them and told them that the site is configured different,
[27:50] we had enough parking.
[27:50] And we went ahead, that's why we were respectfully requesting
[27:53] the site amendments so we can put parking in that,
[27:56] that other little space on the entrance that belongs to this lot.
[27:59] But since we had already told Wicked that we had that parking,
[28:02] we went back and asked the landlord if she would give us access
[28:05] to that parking and she agreed to.
[28:06] And she agreed to also give us access to the parking
[28:08] and the buildings five and six which were the ones on the bottom
[28:11] that she owns as well, on the bottom right-hand corner.
[28:17] So there's doors where the red light are, but in the back.
[28:20] Yes, yes.
[28:21] Yeah, so there's twenty two spaces to the north that you have access to
[28:26] As well as you're saying yes, sir plus
[28:29] Not not those sir the building that she and the two buildings that she owns are the five and six which are the ones on the right-hand bottom corner
[28:42] Oh,
[28:45] sorry
[28:45] Yeah, let's go let's go the area. Oh, Jim
[28:55] What are you talking about these parking spaces right here? Okay, and to the north of the
[28:59] the side these here okay and you see these cars these are the the Methodist employees
[29:05] of park here okay and so there's they never use that we kind of the she
[29:09] monitor at the landlord on that spot a it's a lady may miss a poly a horn
[29:14] horn and they they never use that I think they use 10 parking spaces or as
[29:20] the most that they use zero in any given time
[29:26] so if there are complaints I guess
[29:28] the suggestion is to get poly's number to give them well I think one of the
[29:33] things that it sounds like you have a written agreement for access to additional parking
[29:40] above the 29 that you have here.
[29:42] Yes, right.
[29:43] And we didn't need that for the requirements, but we did that.
[29:45] I understand.
[29:48] Okay.
[29:49] Thank you.
[29:50] Commissioner Aradanda.
[29:53] Thank you.
[29:54] I think, in Mr. Sadas, the experience with WIC, even though Mr. Moser did point out.
[30:00] That he did have issues at his site. No operation to stay stagnant, you know, for six or seven, eight years. So it seems feasible that given the 29 spaces that are there, along with the other agreements that have been made, I feel very confident that the employees, the customers and everyone else around can manage with the, a lot of spaces.
[30:25] Mr. Zeele, the questions are Mr. Trana.
[30:31] Apparently not.
[30:33] You're on our, I apologize that traffic was really heavy on 30.
[30:36] I didn't mean to give you this respect when we get here.
[30:38] We're glad you're here.
[30:39] You didn't know it was a basketball game, though, right?
[30:41] No, I was hoping I'd get out of here before the basketball game.
[30:44] Thank you.
[30:45] I'll have to speak to Carl.
[30:46] Yes, sir.
[30:47] I do have a question to one of my fellow commissioners.
[30:50] Commissioner Moses, did he answer all your questions?
[30:53] Yes, sir.
[30:54] I believe you've heard a silly answer to all my questions.
[30:58] If you would like, if this computer works, I'll be glad to pull up a Google Earth of one of the other buildings, so the commissioner can see the parking we have there.
[31:10] I think we're fine.
[31:12] Thank you.
[31:12] Thank you.
[31:20] Commissioner Adonda.
[31:23] Thank you very much.
[31:24] I'd like to make a motion to close the public hearing and recommend approval of site plan amendment.
[31:30] A.S. zero three zero six zero one A as recommended by staff.
[31:35] We have a motion for approval by Commissioner Eradando, second by Commissioner Moss.
[31:42] Mrs. Let's move.
[31:55] Approved as 7-1.
[32:23] We'll try to go right ahead.
[32:24] Our second case on the agenda this evening is entitled
[32:28] SU-14, 0405, slash S-14, 0404, which is a specific use
[32:36] And site plan, this is an application of a drive through for Lucy's chicken and 414 East Main Street.
[32:45] This property was formerly Kaffey, a Mexican restaurant.
[32:50] The site itself is just under a half acre in site size.
[32:53] It is in the central area of zoning district as well as the central business district number two.
[33:00] The surrounding property in this area is all the same zoning.
[33:02] It's all within the central business district number two commercial development.
[33:08] Got a couple of photographs of the actual property itself.
[33:11] This photo here was pulled from Google Earth and it gives you a good screenshot of the entire site,
[33:18] the front facade of the building and so the parking that's currently in place.
[33:23] I also took a couple of photographs of myself.
[33:25] The one on the lower right is the main access off of main streets into the properties on the east side of the building and the access to the back side of the buildings where the actual draft you're cueing would begin.
[33:39] This is the site plan proposed elevations and floor plan for the proposed drive through Lucy's chicken.
[33:47] Some of the elements that I want to point out on this particular site plan is that the drive through itself actually starts the cueing on the back side.
[33:55] the building. The access lane itself is on the
[34:00] body property. There's an existing easement in place across access
[34:03] easement in place of the body property owner to provide access to
[34:08] their site and to the drive-through. As required by code they do have
[34:11] six stacking spaces or queuing spaces. One of the things I want to
[34:15] point out is the code requires that those stacking spaces be from the
[34:18] call box. Due to the limitations of the size of the site, they were not
[34:22] able to have a call box and so the ordering will actually take place at the pickup window.
[34:27] My understanding talking with the applicant, that's the expect that most of the drive-through
[34:34] business will based on phone ahead or call head service and then the pickup of that.
[34:40] They also have dining on the inside of the building.
[34:45] They have 48 seating capacity.
[34:48] They are looking at remodeling the entire facility inside and out.
[34:53] There will be a change in the outside of the building to kind of an art deco design.
[34:59] Really pretty similar to...
[35:00] Do the Grand Prairie Theatre in terms of the front facade, and so they'll be doing most of the changes there.
[35:08] The balance of the building, they're looking at painting the brickwork that's currently in place.
[35:15] Additional improvements to the site include a new dumpster enclosure, as well as fixing the parking lot.
[35:22] There's some, especially the backside of the parking lot
[35:24] as in district pairs that are looking at changing that
[35:27] and restriping.
[35:29] One other element that I wanted to point out
[35:30] that's part of this proposal.
[35:32] There are currently three access points off
[35:34] of Main Street to the property.
[35:36] They're looking at consolidating those three into two.
[35:39] And so this center one that is located here
[35:42] will actually be shifted over to line with the access
[35:45] to both those properties.
[35:48] And the one on the far right would be removed.
[35:50] So there'd be going from three access points down to two.
[35:55] The proposal does comply with the comprehensive plan, which is mixed use, and staff is recommending
[36:02] approval.
[36:03] Answer any questions that the commissioner may have?
[36:07] Any questions on the Mr. and Dr. Archer?
[36:10] Thank you, sir.
[36:12] We have speaker cards.
[36:17] We do have speaker cards.
[36:18] First speaker.
[36:19] I was speaking support of the side of the Mr. Robert Chang.
[36:24] Your ear, if we need you.
[36:26] If we need you to speak, you're here to answer questions?
[36:29] I don't think so.
[36:34] I bet we can have a question.
[36:36] We're pretty good at raising questions.
[36:39] Come on.
[36:39] Come on.
[36:43] Okay.
[36:50] Just saying if you'll give us your name and address for the record,
[36:53] we know why you're here.
[36:55] Yes.
[36:55] My name is Robert Chen.
[36:56] I'm an hockey tech.
[36:58] I'm the, uh, the, uh, the applicant for this project.
[37:02] What's your address?
[37:04] Uh, the address is my address?
[37:06] Yes.
[37:06] The 5A34 win-metalline in Dallas, Texas.
[37:10] Thank you.
[37:13] Mr. Dean, questions of Mr. Chang.
[37:17] Mr. Gray.
[37:19] I don't know where the way it's this time coming up.
[37:21] You know, it's out there and Lisa asked him one question.
[37:23] Why should we go for this?
[37:25] Why?
[37:27] I don't know.
[37:28] So let's say it's the 20 seconds of that as well.
[37:34] We tried to come here and improve the mainstream for the city of Grandberry.
[37:40] At the same time, we know we are taking the risk for the business.
[37:44] Based on our study, I'm not only only on the restaurant, but based on the study of the restaurant owners.
[37:49] There's some potential business-wise for this table restaurant.
[37:55] And I think once we're coming, not only create a better building on the ministry, but also create the text best for the city.
[38:06] And that's it. We're winning the technical speech.
[38:10] I think we're hoping it's a win-win situation, but both of the city and for us.
[38:16] Yeah, there you go, that one, that one, that one.
[38:18] That one, that one, that one, that one.
[38:19] Yeah, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one.
[38:21] a little sorry for that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Mr.
[38:25] Ronda. Yes, that's an architect
[38:31] trying to match that at the
[38:33] uptown. I'm finding that relationship is trying to
[38:36] use it to help me through it. Thank you very much for that. Thank you.
[38:42] Good point. Thank you, Mr. Zayn. Thanks for the questions of Mr.
[38:45] Chang. Thanks for being here, Mr. Chang. Thank you.
[38:49] Appreciate it. Any further discussion? Motion?
[39:03] Mr. Chairman, I move that we close the public hearing on case SU14405 S and S14404.
[39:16] The specific use permit and a site plan permit and approve it as presented by staff.
[39:22] We have a motion on Commissioner Moser and a second by Commissioner Gray for approval.
[39:28] Commissioners, let's vote.
[39:39] Try again.
[39:40] Yeah.
[39:45] Approved at zero.
[39:48] Good luck, Miss Chang.
[39:49] Thank you all.
[39:51] Thank you.
[39:53] Next case this evening is just the only case.
[39:57] z140402.
[40:03] Good evening, I'm Denise Thomas with the Planning Department.
[40:10] A zoning case number 140402 is a request to do a planned development district at the northwest corner of campus and south carrier parkway.
[40:22] The images on the screen are Google shots of the property. This is viewing the property from the intersection looking northwest.
[40:31] And this is viewing the property from camp wisdom looking north.
[40:37] I've included some photos of the property as it exists today.
[40:46] The property is currently, the bulk of the property is currently undeveloped,
[40:50] but it does have a gas, well, pad site behind this wall,
[40:55] and it has an existing cell tower and the equipment associated with the cell tower
[41:02] on the property.
[41:08] The applicant has done a parcel assemblage, their multiple parcels that
[41:12] equal 16.97 acres. The property is split zone, the portion of the property is within the
[41:18] planned bomb and district 242 area and the balance of the property at the hard corner, including
[41:26] the cell tower and the well site are currently zone general retail. Like I said, the property
[41:32] located at the Northwest corner of the intersection and what they'd like to do is develop
[41:36] the acreage with a single family detached residential development. That would include the
[41:42] capping of the well, the filling in of the existing pond and they want to maintain the telecommunications tower
[41:52] as part of the development.
[41:57] The property, as I said, is zone, it splits zone. This portion of the property
[42:01] is part of Planned Development District 242.
[42:04] The area in blue is zone, general retail,
[42:08] and the property to the west and south
[42:11] is zone agriculture district, and PD136 is east
[42:16] of the property.
[42:24] The proposal to establish the residential development
[42:27] to telecommunications tower has some nuances
[42:29] that are unique to the site.
[42:32] Among them are the fact that there
[42:34] an existing gas well and pond on property.
[42:38] The applicant has submitted the operator of the well, Chesapeake, has submitted a notice
[42:44] of intent to cap the well, which is known as Form W3A to the state railroad commission.
[42:51] And the railway commission has approved their plans to cap the well.
[42:56] Once the well is inspected and capped, they will receive a Form W3, which will be filed
[43:03] and that efficiently caps the well after that happens.
[43:08] The applicant is looking to put residential lots on top of the area that used to be the
[43:13] fraccon and take down the wall and develop the property.
[43:20] In addition to the well component of their proposal, there is an existing telecommunications
[43:26] tower and telecommunications towers are not permissible in residential districts, which
[43:32] factored into the applicant's decision to do a planned development district for this for this proposal.
[43:40] The ordinance requires that a setback of three times the height of the cell tower be provided.
[43:49] The cell tower is 80 feet tall, so a 240 foot buffer has to be provided on the property.
[43:55] There are some modifications to some of our regulations that they are requesting and I'll go over those in a minute and they're asking for approval of their concept plan.
[44:07] The underlying zoning for the proposal will be a straight, single-family district for.
[44:13] On the screen before you, I've shown you the requirements for SF4 and I've shown you what they are providing and they do meet all of the minimum requirements for SF4.
[44:26] On the screen before you is the concept plan for the proposed zone change, but we are looking to do this is the black line is the boundary of the project, the project includes 58 total lots of those 58, you have 1, 2, 3 lots that are common or open space lots, and then you have 55 residential lots that will be proposed with this development.
[44:56] The Buffer Area shown in yellow.
[45:00] Is the buffer the setback requirement from the existing cell tower? And the landscape easements along the public rights of way are also provided at a rate of 30 feet wide for the length of those rights of way as required by our code. Access to the development will be gained from carrier parkway and from camp wisdom road.
[45:25] The property is in conformance with our future land use map.
[45:29] Our future land use map designates this area for low density residential development,
[45:34] which equates to about zero to six dwelling units in acre, a net acre, and that translates
[45:40] to a zoning designation anywhere from our agriculture district to single-family district
[45:45] six.
[45:46] The applicant's density is 3.994-inch, and so we call it four, and they are asking
[45:55] for SF4's zoning, so their proposal meets the minimum requirements of the future land you
[46:00] smack in the comprehensive plan.
[46:04] As I mentioned, the applicant is requesting a couple of modifications.
[46:07] They aren't asking for any appeals per se, however the proposed development does have some
[46:14] some nuances that need to be captured in the conditions of approval.
[46:18] Among those are the fact that, as of today, the well is not capped and the pond is not
[46:24] filled in.
[46:24] So staff is supportive of approving the zoning and the preliminary
[46:29] plat subject to the applicant providing proof prior to final
[46:32] plat approval that they've complied with the Texas Roro
[46:35] Commission's requirements and the city of Grand Prairie
[46:39] Requirements for capping the well and filling in the pond.
[46:43] The lot sizes are consistent with the SF4 requirements in our
[46:48] unified development code.
[46:50] However, as you know, we typically review resolution 3924, which was adopted by City Council
[46:57] against all residential subdivisions.
[47:01] Residential, our resolution 3924 typically equates to a zoning designation of SF, somewhere
[47:08] between SF-2 and SF-3, which is a larger, a larger, a lot, less dense development.
[47:14] What they're proposing is an SF-4, and so, because of that,
[47:20] Some of what they're proposing is inconsistent with resolution 39, 24, specifically the resolution 39, 24 requires lots to be a minimum of 65 feet.
[47:32] These lots are, and it requires 80% of the lots to be 78 hundred square feet, and they don't have that approximately 51% of the lots are over 78 hundred square feet.
[47:46] But again, it is worth noting that they are asking for SF4.
[47:51] These, the lots in this development and the density in this development is less dense than the existing development to the north.
[47:58] And they do meet the minimum requirements for SF4.
[48:01] So staff is supportive of their proposal, as long as we include a condition that says that they will meet all of the minimum requirements for SF4 not deviate.
[48:13] Our recommendation, we do not recommend full support because there are some nuances and things that have to be.
[48:19] They have to be approved by City Council, some modifications.
[48:23] But we are supportive of the proposal and we don't object to it if you choose to approve it.
[48:27] Subject it down in your staff report the concept plan and their modification request.
[48:35] That concludes my presentation.
[48:37] I'm available for any questions.
[48:41] We
[48:47] do have two speaker cards in this case.
[48:50] First is from Mr. Robert Shelton.
[48:55] We'll speak support of that.
[49:00] My name is Robert Shelton.
[49:02] I'm at 9409 Aldridge Court in Fort Worth, Texas,
[49:07] and I'm the developer.
[49:09] And one thing I think this is going to be our highest
[49:12] and best use for this property.
[49:14] They've marketed it retail and just doesn't work.
[49:17] One thing, too, I think, in 39.24 that resolution, it does allow for some 50-foot wide
[49:22] lots.
[49:23] We've elected to go with 60-foot wide lots, so we're kind of going over in above, I think,
[49:27] was the very minimum.
[49:29] I went and talked, and met with the Humorers Association to the North, Todd Hancock as a president,
[49:36] and of the 14-locks that are joined this subdivision there.
[49:42] 8 of them said yes, 3 of them basically weren't home.
[49:49] One said no, that they don't come back at all, and one was undecided.
[49:54] So I actually wanted to tell them four times on several different, for a period of two weeks.
[49:58] So uh
[50:00] Also met with Clay News. He's the President of the H.O.A., the Hills of Westchester, and Rosemary Reed, who's a past president of the H.O.A. there.
[50:13] So, basically I'm looking for any questions.
[50:21] I have a question, Mr. Miley.
[50:22] Michelle, let me ask you a question about developing this property. I'm more concerned about the people that don't live there than the people that do it.
[50:29] When these homes are sold, or put up for sale, will the prospective buyers be told that there
[50:37] is a cat-well, X number of feet from the house that they want to buy?
[50:41] Sure, sure that'll be just close to them.
[50:44] Number two, on this property, there is that the U.S.
[50:53] as a result of that, it requires a
[50:58] The result of that, there is not an insignificant amount of long-term maintenance that is required of that area.
[51:08] And I assume that the maintenance for that area and the money is required to maintain that area would come from homeowner association dues.
[51:18] is that correct? Yes. Will prospective buyers of homes be advised of that circumstance
[51:26] that for as long as they live there, I assume as long as they live there, potentially
[51:32] as long as they live there, they have to pay for the maintenance on the cell phone tower
[51:37] set back area. That'll be disclosed. Thank you.
[51:44] What kind of plan is this?
[51:45] It's just an orchid, and what's this about?
[51:47] The homeowners association is not mandatory.
[51:50] It's voluntary.
[51:51] So they're not getting a lot of participation point to understand from the president.
[51:54] There's going to be mandatory.
[51:56] So I can say, why?
[51:58] I've got a whole bunch.
[52:01] I mean, I think the key thing there clearly is that this is not an insignificant expense
[52:07] to a homeowner association.
[52:10] This won't be insignificant.
[52:12] And I hope the people that buy homes there realize that.
[52:20] Thank you.
[52:21] Thank you.
[52:21] Miss, is any other questions, Mr. Shelton?
[52:23] Mr. Chairman, I have a question.
[52:25] Mr. McGray?
[52:27] Mr. Shelton, thank you for coming down.
[52:30] On this, uh, Westchester Cross in addition to paper that I have.
[52:34] I miss eight people that are in paper.
[52:38] And in this world where we,
[52:39] We
[52:44] tied in cock and clay moose.
[52:47] What a wildest candidate.
[52:49] I see them.
[52:52] Rosemary Reed, her house, a bunch of this subdivision, and she's kind of neutral on it.
[52:58] She refused to take us to either way.
[53:02] She kind of said if you put it in a pit, I'll go with you, but if not, I won't.
[53:07] And I didn't realize that the town that was already in a pit.
[53:08] I don't think nobody did.
[53:10] So I've contacted her and said, it's already in the pit.
[53:13] She's a great.
[53:13] So, and she's the former Chairperson of the Home Owners Association, correct?
[53:19] Yes, sir.
[53:21] You're talking about?
[53:22] Yeah, Todd Hancock is the current President of the H.O.A.
[53:25] And Hancock, about as well?
[53:28] Not he kind of abstained from it.
[53:30] He doesn't live on the adjoining the same thing.
[53:32] They were all three in the grants that, hey, if I join the peer, they're with me.
[53:36] If I don't, they're probably not going to be with me.
[53:37] And they're the leaders of that?
[53:40] Okay.
[53:40] Cloud Newsom?
[53:42] The same thing, he's a president of Western Shavalli.
[53:46] Sir, the leaders are the hormones associated to took a neutral response on that.
[53:49] Yeah, they said if I joined the PISA, they don't know.
[53:52] Okay, so they're allowing the people to go ahead and take a vote and then you have the eight people that will list it.
[53:58] Okay, thank you.
[53:59] Appreciate it.
[54:01] Mr. Fellow.
[54:04] Thank you.
[54:05] One comment for an extra question.
[54:08] I know Rosemary Reed very well.
[54:10] can not imagine that she doesn't have an opinion one way or another on this.
[54:14] And I think against her.
[54:15] I think against her.
[54:15] I think against her.
[54:17] No, we're very well.
[54:19] Good for you.
[54:21] Well, this homeowners association, the price of maintenance on this clearance around the tower,
[54:29] well, it affects the other homeowners association at all to the north.
[54:35] It depends it's about a two-acre side there and I'm hoping eventually it's least right now
[54:40] to the cell tower and it's got about 30 years left.
[54:44] Basically when that leaves those away I'm expecting the technology to take over won't be necessary
[54:48] and the H.O.A. have a nice park but it'll probably end up in the pit so I'm thinking at this point.
[54:57] Right now the maintenance of that.
[55:00] That cell phone tarot clearance easement around it will not affect the existing homeowner's association.
[55:06] No, sir, no.
[55:07] Okay, thank you.
[55:11] You had a question, Mr. Shelton?
[55:13] Commissioner Spire.
[55:14] So you said that you expect the maintenance to go over to the pit.
[55:18] On the peninsula pit, on the treasurer and secretary of that pit.
[55:23] And the HOAs, like to turn over their land, to the pit, as it takes us as something you're expecting to happen.
[55:28] Yeah, I'm expecting it to go to the pit and the thin take care because I really want it and I think that property is already in the pit
[55:35] So I don't think it makes sense to do anything else.
[55:39] So all the homes in this area will pay HOA dues and pit dues.
[55:43] Yes.
[55:43] Okay.
[55:43] Thank you.
[55:47] Mr. Moser.
[55:48] Until that happens though, you have to maintain it as a developer, right?
[55:52] Yes sir.
[55:53] Okay.
[55:53] Do we form the HOA?
[55:58] Yep.
[55:59] Yeah.
[55:59] And H.O.A. would be required.
[56:00] One of the issues that staff's going to have to look at is if that area that is currently
[56:04] the buffer for the cell tower, if that is private for the benefit of the people in this
[56:11] particular development and not a larger area, it cannot be in the pit.
[56:16] And so it really depends on how we set that up.
[56:18] I think the landscape buffer, those things can be in the pit, but this open area for the
[56:23] buffer for the cell tower, at least on the front end of this thing, would have to be part
[56:25] of an H.O.A.
[56:26] Yeah, my first choice is to not be in the pit at all is to have the HOA take care of everything
[56:31] landscape buffer in the two acre park and everything totally, but what I've been told is it's
[56:36] already in the pit, so I don't have any choice, as far as the perimeter.
[56:40] So I'm going to make sense where to all go to one place.
[56:42] What I've seen is they will turn it over to the city park, you know, no one can really use it
[56:48] except the residents and then it goes into the pit.
[56:50] That's happened to lakes down on the on the peninsula down there as well.
[56:53] other public lakes, public fishing is allowed there, but no can really get there because
[56:57] there's no parking, so is it mandatory already to be in the PID, the upside landscape
[57:05] buffer and everything?
[57:07] I'm not familiar as much with the Lake Parks PID before I understand that the camp wisdom all
[57:11] the way down Cancels wisdom is controlled by that PID is right.
[57:15] That's correct.
[57:17] This law is in the public improvement district with Westchester Hills, it's one giant
[57:22] PID.
[57:23] Okay. It's a route horn.
[57:26] So, you know what the self company is required to maintain around them?
[57:33] Basically, nothing. They've got like a brick small storage facility around it, I guess they store equipment.
[57:40] And they've got like a little buffer around that, but basically nothing. There's no maintenance to it. We have to provide access to it.
[57:46] What are the other restrictions on the land other than to have to, they can't build anything.
[57:56] The requirement is that it be three times the height of the tower from a residential zone
[58:01] lot.
[58:02] Our residential zone property.
[58:04] And so that's the requirement for the buffer that's part of their preliminary
[58:07] plant.
[58:08] It could be used as a park.
[58:09] It could be used as a park.
[58:13] I don't see an issue with that.
[58:15] The issue is what's being discussed is whether or not it's in the pit or part of the
[58:19] And I think at least in the near-term we're looking at something in part to be part of the HOA.
[58:27] Mr. Gray.
[58:28] Do you?
[58:29] I do have a question.
[58:30] I have a question from Rosemary.
[58:35] She doesn't heard you talking about.
[58:37] She told me.
[58:38] So here we go.
[58:42] The question is, can you try to read bad eyes?
[58:49] Can you build some fences that are backing up to the old neighbor?
[58:56] here's the situation there's a one or two fences over there they're not in good shape and they said hey
[59:01] if you put us a new fence up will support you and we just don't do that what we do is custom merely
[59:07] is when we build a house there we put a brand new fence up for that homeowner we put the fence up now
[59:11] it may be two or three years where they move in and they're going to get a little fence so it's kind of like
[59:15] every time you develop something or build something next to one of the neighbors they they want to
[59:24] And, of course, they didn't work like that.
[59:26] I think they needed new fans at this time.
[59:28] They should get it because it's going to take a long time
[59:30] to develop this property and build the houses.
[59:33] And, is that time, can we put a brand new fence out?
[59:35] Sir.
[59:35] Mr. Schermozer.
[59:38] The typically, I don't know, you probably know it's better than that.
[59:40] But typically, if they have a self-taught on a piece of property,
[59:43] they pay rent.
[59:45] Does this one not pay rent?
[59:47] Or did they, did they, they front-end load it?
[59:49] So the existing, so they front-end loaded it.
[59:52] So the existing landowner got all the money already.
[59:54] and they don't pay anything now for the rest of their contract.
[59:58] I think it's been about 30 years,
[59:59] but it was like...
[1:00:03] Okay, so you're not going to get any monthly fees out of this? No. No, no, no.
[1:00:10] The rest is any other questions, Mr. Shelton.
[1:00:16] Thanks for being here, Mr. Shelton.
[1:00:17] We do have one other speaker card. If you wish, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Salman Ashad.
[1:00:28] My name is Mr. Salman Ashad, with A&A Consultants. I'm the engineer on the property, and a big letter answered in the question that there is any.
[1:00:36] That's great, Mr. Gray.
[1:00:41] You know when you have a Twitter account, people seem to use it for some reason.
[1:00:46] We're going back again on the fence line.
[1:00:49] Brick, well, this is the democracy system.
[1:00:55] Brick walls.
[1:00:57] The Westchester community normally has brick walls alongside the,
[1:01:02] alongside the meetings, that's something that's going to be discussed.
[1:01:07] It would be a brick wall along Carrier Parkway and Kim Bootham.
[1:01:12] Mr. Shelton, you stood up as something like this.
[1:01:17] That's a requirement.
[1:01:18] It's a requirement to run a brand new brick wall along Carrier Parkway and Kim Bootham Road.
[1:01:25] Thank you.
[1:01:25] I appreciate it.
[1:01:26] I'll tweet it back on that.
[1:01:28] Thank you.
[1:01:28] Any other questions?
[1:01:30] Mr. Nose?
[1:01:32] Thank you.
[1:01:33] Give it to Mother.
[1:01:35] Thanks for being here.
[1:01:37] I would like to make a motion that we close the public hearing and approve KZ140402 as presented by staff.
[1:01:47] We have a motion for approval by the committee, second by Commissioner Spayer.
[1:01:53] Thank you.
[1:02:02] Thank you.
[1:02:04] I believe
[1:02:06] that concluded our agenda this evening.
[1:02:14] Anyone have any comments?
[1:02:15] I do have a copy.
[1:02:16] Yeah, I do have a copy.
[1:02:17] Go out there.
[1:02:18] I decided that the hearing queen does not get a subject in the box to see a cell that
[1:02:23] can blizz it up for everyone.
[1:02:25] We have to have a box to go.
[1:02:27] You are, you are a sewer.
[1:02:29] There is further like quality on it.
[1:02:32] I don't know if that will do that.
[1:02:33] I think that's the next one.
[1:02:35] I have another suggestion.
[1:02:38] We need, and I think we need to check our cell phones in with Chris.
[1:02:45] ...I know, but we know this could be a dangerous present.
[1:02:55] It could be if the discussions continue, maybe that we have to schedule an ethic session
[1:03:01] before we have another meeting.
[1:03:03] Every time we are announcing the election, it will be revealed, that we will give a actual
[1:03:08] picture of it at a certain moment.
[1:03:09] We have motion for a German the second. We're a German.
[1:03:16] I know it.