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At this time, if you would, please silence your cell phones and be advised that these proceedings are being recorded.

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If you desire to address a city council during the meeting, please complete a request to speak form.

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Speakers will be called upon at the appropriate time, and our speakers will be allowed three minutes of speaking time.

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This time I will call to order and convene the regular meeting of the City of City of

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Grand Terror City Council meeting for Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019.

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Our invocation tonight and our pledge of allegiance will be offered and led by members

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of Scout troop 40.

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If you would please rise.

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Having

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the Lord please bless us on the site.

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Keep everybody safe and have a nice meeting to where we can discuss any flaws or good things within the city.

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We think we think the Lord for making every safe.

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If you would please help me welcome the young men of troop where they did that at the last minute at my request.

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Madam City Clerk, may we have a roll call please.

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Council Member Allen.

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Council Member Hesse.

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Mayor Potsson Wilson.

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I am here.

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Mayor McNubo.

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President.

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Council Member Robles is absent.

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Mayor, you have a quorum.

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Thank you very much.

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We have a special presentation tonight.

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It is a proclamation for the 25th anniversary of the California Desert Protection Act.

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So I will read the proclamation and I believe Mr.

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Moissus is here tonight.

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So I'll read the proclamation.

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We'll have a photo up and then I'll have you say a few words about this, all right?

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Commemorating the 25th anniversary of the California Desert Protection Act,

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whereas October 31st, 2019, marks 25 years since the beginning,

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since the signing of the 1994 California Desert Protection Act, CDPA,

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which recognized the world-class uniqueness of the California Deserts

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provided destination points by creating the Mojave National Preserve, Joshua Tree National Park,

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and Death Valley National Park, as well as 69 new desert wilderness areas in the California Desert

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Region. And whereas over the last 25 years, the protected lands and wildlife values of the California

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desert have created a benefit to desert travel, including visitor spending industry earnings

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and government revenue. And whereas the protected lands of the California desert are the historic

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home and contain the sacred sites, cultural artifacts, and cultural landscapes at the Chimhavi,

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Mojave, Serano, Coia, and Paiute, and other tribes that have lived in the desert region for millennia.

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And whereas the protected lands of the California desert provide a place for members of the desert community and visitors alike to view wildlife, hike, bike, and engage in off-road motorized recreation.

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And what are as the protective lands of the California Desert provides a place for residents

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who enjoy the rural character of deserts, mountains, and wildlands to experience solitude,

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and disturb vistas, and glorious sunsets, and de gaze up in the night sky without light or noise pollution.

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And where as the protective lands and conservation measures of the California Desert safeguard

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precious groundwater, aquifer watersheds, desert plants, and wildlife, and air quality

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critical to our region and economy. And whereas the protected lands and conservation measures

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of the California desert are the product of community input and stake holder engagement,

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and whereas it remains in the city of Grand Terrace interest to maintain the protected lands

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of the California Desert as a recreational resource as part of the larger ecosystem and as

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wildlands. And now therefore be it resolved. The City of Grand Terrace honors and recommits

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itself to the safeguards within the past 25 years of desert protection and the scenic

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vistas, cultural landscapes, wildlife habitat, habitat, dark night skies, water resources,

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as military security and economic benefits provided by the protection of lands in the California

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Desert presented this 22nd day of October 2019, it is signed by myself and my colleagues

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up here with me and council member Robles, who could not be here tonight.

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If you would please join us over here for a photo.

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Thank you, Honorable Mayor, McNibo, and council members on behalf of the Sierra Club and

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the Sierra Club members that reside here in the great city of Grand Terrasby are heartfelt

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when hearing these words from our mayor describing what an important piece of landscape

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we have in our own backyard.

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The impact on the economy of the desert is in the billions.

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Seven billions, seven billion is used to generate a great

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standard of living for those of us in the surrounding area that

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uses desert not only as a sacred place but also as a part of our

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or economy. I grew up in the concrete jungle. Didn't visit the desert for years, not until I

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was in my early 30s. I took my nephew with me. He was around 10. He grew up with asthma.

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When we were out in the desert, we were out there for a week. Didn't even notice.

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He was breathing perfectly fine, and it was just the magical moment under the canopy of the Milky Way, looked over at him, and we just talked about his dreams, and it was beautiful to be in that awesome environment.

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So we just thank you, and all those citizens here that are protecting it, and we'll continue to do so. Thank you.

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Thank you for your work on this project.

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Our next item is reordering or additions to a removal of items from the agenda and that

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I'm city clerk.

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We have items for removal.

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Staff is going to pull Council Member Robless's future agenda item request due to her absence

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Okay, thank you.

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So we'll move to the consent calendar.

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Consent calendar items are expected to be routine in noncontroversial.

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They will be acted upon by the City Council at one time without discussion.

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calendar for discussion.

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Are there any requests for removal of items from the consent calendar?

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All right, see none.

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I'll entertain a motion for the consent.

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May your own move that we do this thing.

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Are we approve the consent calendar?

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motion by council member Allen second by council or mayor pro 10 Wilson please vote

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motion passes with council members Allen and has see voting yes mayor

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pro 10 Wilson voting yes and mayor mat no voting yes all right thank you

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next we have public comment and this is an opportunity for members of the

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public to comment and items not appearing on our regular agenda tonight because

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our restrictions contain in California law the city council may not discuss or act

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on an item that is not on the agenda, they may briefly respond to statements or ask a question

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for clarification and they may ask for a brief response for staff or that an item be

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agendized for a future meeting. Do we have a request to speak at this time? No, Madam

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Mayor. All right.

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We're saving it up for the items on the agenda. So when we move on to council

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communications beginning with Council Member Jeff Allen.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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The first thing I want to do is, I didn't know if I could, if I should pull this side of a look and think calendar.

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I didn't.

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I should have asked first, but I just wanted to item six on the consent calendar.

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Was the letter of resignation from Ms. Suarez?

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As Parks and Regration Committee, who moved away, and I just wanted to publicly state, thank you, two

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and so far as for her dedication on the Parks and Regration Committee, and all the folks from the community

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who dedicate themselves to the various committees and councils and boards and different things that

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are our town moved forward. We thank her for her time and wish her well. I do. And so with

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that said, on October 9, I attended the Solid Waste Advisory Task Board semiannual meeting.

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What I took away from that, I need to, or I'd like to bring it to your attention,

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That next year, landfill organic waste must have a 50% reduction.

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That means all the food waste that goes to California's landfills.

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By 2020, there must be a 50% reduction.

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And in 2022, the regulations take effect.

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And cities and counties have to start reporting this immediately.

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Local governments will be responsible for almost all aspects of this effort by the state to reduce our landfill waste by providing organic collection services to all residents and businesses, conducting education outreach in the community, secure access to recycling capacities, establishing edible food recovery programs.

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This is what's happening net by next year is edible food recovery programs, and I think that's really a great thing because a lot of our air quality is affected by the methane produced by the organic waste in our landfills.

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So, our cities, we are going to be have big responsibilities on us.

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We learned from a private recycler who is trying to establish a pulping plant and a mixed

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plastics to fuel plant we heard from him and also that we just, they talked about how

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over on California Street in Redlands, folks might want to try to avoid that through

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construction and grinding that street up and he's valu recycling and transfer has submitted

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a revision to the local enforcement agency to increase tonage from 900 tons per day to 1500 tons per day.

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On October 11 at the Omni Trans route revision update meeting I attended and I learned about that and

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the only thing I want to say about that is I'll defer anything to you mayor because you're on the board

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I have directors, but I just want to say that I and we are pushing strongly to get more

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bus stops, especially to go from here to the VA hospital, either from Riverside, from

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RTA or from Montenegro.

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We're really working on that, and so we want you to know that.

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I attended on October 17 and 18, I went to the League of California City's annual conference

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and Expo, and I learned about new technology there that's being used to optimize city outcomes

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and transportation and modern policing technology in California. Resiliency and tragedies,

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and that's affecting a lot of communities today, happened in Santa Rosa this morning.

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learned about managing, let's see, resiliency, preserving community identity,

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and cannabis

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for all and managing housing.

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No way it's managing housing and cannabis for all, or it's one of those, it was housing

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for all and managing cannabis use, that's what it was, two different training sessions.

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I was confused, who I learned about that too, and it was a great event, and I'm glad

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I went, learned a lot.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Thank you, Councilmember Allen.

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Councilmember Bill Hussie.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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I was going to save Mr. Allen.

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I didn't know the cannabis for all was part of the class.

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Mr. Nettie.

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I know it was a long sessions, but yeah.

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It was really okay.

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Really unique to League of Cities.

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What they had.

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I just got one personal thing here is from the P.T.

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For Grant Terrace Elementary or Terrace View Elementary School.

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Tomorrow's Unity Day.

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And it's from 7 a.m. or 7 10 a.m. to 8 30 a.m.

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What this is a request from the PT was a,

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that I read it.

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Please join us as we take the morning to greet our students as they arrived to school.

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UD today is the signature event national bully prevention month.

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Has been recognizing United States since 2011 to participate in unity day.

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Individuals, schools, communities, and business where or display orange to

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support for students who have been bullied. The message from us is to

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kindness matters. Let's spread kindness on this morning at Tara's

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View Elementary School and show the students we care about the safe and

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kind community. Please arrive at 7.10 a.m. and come in the front of the

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school you're welcome to make your own personal posters with the message that

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are positive uplifting. For example we're glad to see you kindness matters and

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starts with you. I'm glad you're here. You are loved. Stand up for what's right. Smile. Life is good, walk tall and spread kindness.

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You can wear orange or add orange to your uniform or retire. You're welcome to bring orange props to greet students.

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The more orange the better. It's a simple message and it's nothing more powerful than having all of you help.

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Send this message to our students. So thank you for choosing to participate in Unity Day.

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So it's open to anybody who would like to come out there

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at Terrasville Elementary and welcome to students

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as they come in the morning or orange, if you have it,

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but just be a kind smile out there and welcome them.

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And it's a help of stop bullying in the schools.

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So that's all I have there.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Council Member Hesse.

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Mayor Protem, Doug Wilson.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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I'd like to also mention that I've two,

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It was invited and I was the voting delegate for the League of Cities this weekend.

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It was actually the 16th, 17th, and 18th.

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And I remember now why I hate the 91 freeway.

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Because that's how I got back and it took me about three hours to get on.

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But other than that, when I was there, there was a lot of educational opportunities as well as league business.

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And one of the items that Vodafore was had to do with what they call rule 20, which is a utility fee.

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And it has been stretched at least according to the Vodafore and the process of lobbying for it to include wildfire items.

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because as we know, there's a real problem with it, and as we saw here, recently up in San

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Rida, you know, it can happen to anybody.

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I really also enjoyed a lot, the information about a grant that is out there, and it has

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some conversation with staff a little bit about it.

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But regardless of the grant, the important thing is that, in order for us to be able to

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consider providing for the future generations in additional housing opportunities.

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As you know, we're a very non-dense area, and we like it like that, that's fine.

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But there are also opportunities when you've got, like I have, I've got a big ol' half acre,

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which most of it's useless, but I have a half acre behind me and instead I chose to build

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I chose to take down my third car garage and put in place and add to it a father-in-law

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suite.

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And that served my father-in-law for the eight years he was with us until he was 90 years old.

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It worked out real well because it was an easy transition for him to sell his single-family

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home in West Covina, and then be there near us with privacy.

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There was no door directly between my house and his little space, and it was equipped with

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a bedroom, a bathroom, a full bath, a full kitchen, and a little nook area, and of course

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it's on front door and a little living area.

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In that it was less than or was actually measured exactly 350 square feet, which is less than

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a two-car garage.

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He was a big fellow, so it worked out really well for him.

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He could get around and do what he needed to do, so I would suggest that if you're contemplating

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That kind of circumstance, last year the state passed some laws that made it desirable and not only desirable but also affordable.

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I just remember that you need to hook your addition onto the existing unit in order to be able to avoid impact fees and so on.

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So I would suggest that you contact the city if it's something that you find would work out

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for your plans and see what you can put together in order to be able to create that

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second year in an accessory unit and that's all I have for report.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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On October 10th, I attended the Metro Valley Study session for the San Bernardino County

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transportation authority, and there were a few items of business to report on that.

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One of them was the preview of hearings to consider resolutions of necessity.

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For property interests for the Mount Vernon Viadec project in the city of San Bernardino.

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And so that's a bridge that spans a number of railroad tracks.

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It's been in existence for decades, and it really needs to be replaced.

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And so, unfortunately, that means that there's property that needs to be considered.

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So, while they're negotiating that, they are actually looking at starting the process

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for condemnation at this time in the event that perhaps they don't reach negotiations

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with the owners of those properties.

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We also recommended for approval to the board, a cooperative agreement with the, with the

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15 court arch contract one, defining roles, responsibilities, and funding for these phases.

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And this is an expansion of interstate 15 to include HOV and perhaps express lanes.

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And then we also recommended approval to the board for a second amendment to a contract

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with the City of Montclair for their construction of the Monobus to Avenue Great Separation

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Project.

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On October 9th and 10th, I attended the California Joint Powers Insurance Authority Risk Management

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conference. He had some very interesting topics. One of them had to do with public liability

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after a fire and how to prepare for how to prepare your community for the things that come

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after a fire perhaps comes through. We also had a nice briefing by a couple of cities that had to

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respond to major disasters in their communities, mostly due to wildfires, and their emphasis

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was on telling cities about how to set up your emergency operations centers and making

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sure that staff know what their role is in the event of any kind of a disaster, and probably

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most importantly, making sure council knows what its role is during these times as well.

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There was a session that I attended on cyber and ransomware exposure and that's something

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that we really need to keep in mind because it can become very expensive and make it very

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difficult for the city to operate.

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There was a discussion about approaches for staff who may encounter homeless and a nice way

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to approach those in the community that are homeless and help them to get to the help they

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need while staying safe.

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As Council Member Allen briefly mentioned, there was a meeting with the Omni-Trans staff.

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Omni-Trans is in the process of identifying 11 percent cuts throughout their service area,

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and so they came and they briefed us on what they are proposing for cuts in grand terrace.

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We're not served by too many routes on how many trans bus lines, but what we discussed with them

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is that Riverside Transit Authority has a bus that comes from Riverside drives all the way

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through our city out to Loma Linda and doesn't stop.

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They used to stop and they used to stop and pick up passengers that wanted to head out to the

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Veterans Hospital or bring those at the Veterans Hospital back this way.

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And a number of years ago, they changed their route and they come through what they call closed door.

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So we had a discussion with Albany Trans staff about perhaps approaching Riverside Transit Authority to reconsider and maybe some memorandums of understanding that could be between the two agencies that might entice them to do that.

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So while they might cut a portion of our service, perhaps we might persuade RTA to start serving as how they used to service.

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We'll see how that goes.

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On October 14th to the 16th,

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they had the opportunity to travel

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with about 36 other community leaders

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to visit the state water project, Northern California.

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They called it a Delta Bay Delta inspection trip.

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It started with a quick tour of Orville,

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Dan.

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We looked at a lot of the restructuring.

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They've done since the, since the

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So the Orville Dam, it's on the Feather River, above the City of Orville in

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Beauty County, and it creates Lake Orville, which does the number of things.

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One of them is a generates electricity, and it provides drinking and irrigation for the central

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valley, and it's very important.

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For us, in Southern California, when it was constructed, it cut off several miles of spawning and nursery grounds for salmon and steelhead trout.

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And so the salmon and steelhead trout generally returned to their home at the end of their season to lay eggs.

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And so when they built this oreville dam, it cut off that passage for these fish. So, co-located next to the oreville dam is a fish hatchery that allows the fish to spawn and lay their eggs.

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and give birth to many other fish that then populate that area.

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The tour also included a proposed off-stream reservoir that's located northwest of Sacramento

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that would provide about 470,000 to 640,000 acre feet of water storage.

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This wouldn't prove water supply reliability and flexibility in the system for Southern California.

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It's investors are the San Bernardino Valley Municipal Water District and the Metropolitan Water District and other water districts.

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We also had a tour through the Delta Cross Channel and other areas in the Delta region.

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We were shown the issues that they were having that create the vulnerabilities in that inherent system that put in jeopardy the water that we received from the state water project and we learned some of the research that they're doing.

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And lastly, we looked at the banks pumping plant.

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This is located at the South Delta.

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It's called the Harvey O banks pumping plant.

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And it is the beginning of the California Aquaduct.

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There are 11 pumps that lift water from the Clifton Fort Bay.

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Lift it 244 feet into the 444 mile aquaduct.

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And the water begins its journey from there.

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and it ends here in Southern California.

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So the water from this system provides irrigation,

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not only to the San Joaquin Valley,

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but also to urban Southern California.

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It was an amazing tour and it really shows the investments

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that have been made over the course of time

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in providing water for our region,

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but also the things that jeopardize the future

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of the ability for us to get water from the state water project

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and to know that our San Bernardino Valley

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water district is being forward looking in its investments and its discussions about ways to improve

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the delta. And that will conclude my report.

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So we'll move into the rest of our agenda on public hearings. We do not have any public hearings

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tonight. However, we have unfinished business item 7 on the agenda. It's a proposed ordinance

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to amend Title 17 subdivisions and Title 18 zoning of the grand terrace municipal code to establish new minimum public hearing notification requirements on certain development related projects.

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As this is the second reading of the ordinance.

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The first reading was brought to council at the last meeting on October 8.

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staff has no changes to their presentation this time, correct?

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All right, so if there are no questions of staff,

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and there are no requests to speak on this item,

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that is correct, Mayor.

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All right, I will ask the city attorney to read the ordinance.

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Thank you, Madam Mayor.

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The title of the ordinance is follows.

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An ordinance of the city council of the city of Grant Harris,

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California, finding the ordinance exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act,

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and the Mending Title 17 subdivisions and Title 18 zoning of the Grant Harris Municipal Code

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to establish minimum public hearing notification requirements on certain development-related

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projects.

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And so we need a motion for this?

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Mayor, I'm moving the redal.

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Second.

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Motion.

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I can't remember.

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Second, by councilmember Hussie, please vote.

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Motion passes with council members, Allen and Hussie voting is.

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Mayor Pro Temmelson voting is and Mayor McNabel voting is.

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All right, thank you.

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Our next item is item made on the agenda.

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It's consideration of three concept plans for

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development of 22317, 22293 and 22273 Barton Road,

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pursuant to the executed agreement for purchase

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and sale of real property and joint escrow

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instructions between the city of Grant Terrace and the Greens Group.

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And our city attorney has every statement he would like to make prior to director Molina's presentation.

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Yes, thank you, Madam Mayor.

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Before the director provides our presentation, I wanted to address three issues for the city council.

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First is what is before the city council tonight?

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Second, what is not before the city council tonight?

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And then third, what are the next steps in the process?

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So first, what is before the city council?

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and this is really important to the public.

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Generally when a seller of property sells their property,

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they wash their hands clean of it

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and they're done and they move on.

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In this case, in the best interests of the city,

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the city council, when it sold the three properties,

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retained the right to approve the uses

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and the types of uses and the combination of uses

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that could be developed on the property.

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to accomplish that approval process, the developer in accordance with the purchase and

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salary agreement is required to prepare and present concept plans of the proposed uses

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in the various combinations and the site plans as a concept to the city council and the city council

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has the authority to approve that. That is solely what is before the city council tonight is the broad

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uses that are being presented for development on the property.

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But what is not before the city council?

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What is not before the city council is what I consider the general planning and zoning

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concepts that would normally be seen in front of the planning commission.

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So for example, the number of buildings, the sizes of buildings in terms of square

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footages, the heights of buildings, physical design of the buildings, landscaping,

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parking, circulation, all those details of an actual project are not before you tonight

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and why, because we haven't even determined what the uses on site will be, and so that

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has to first occur. Once that occurs, and that's the next step in my presentation is, the

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next step is, once the developer knows exactly what uses are acceptable to the council and

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general conceptual site plan. The developer will put pen to paper, put an actual project

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proposal for consideration by the city. They'll submit an application to the planning department,

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and once approved, once the application is deemed complete, staff will go through the process

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like a normally does for any other project, which is to review the project in comparison to our

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zoning code and our development standards, height, setbacks, things of that sort, the staff will

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also do what is required under state law, which is to review the environmental impacts

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under state law.

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All that will then occur, and then, after necessary, in which I understand it probably will

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be, the project will be presented to the planning commission.

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And at that time, staff will prepare a report, that report will be made available to the public.

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There will be a public hearing involved and the public will be invited to provide input and participate in that process.

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My understanding is that there will likely be elements that will require city council approval.

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And so that project will then be brought to the city council for approval.

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So I just want to make that clear tonight of tonight we're just approving a looking at the broad bird dive view of what can be placed on site.

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After that, the developer will take it from there and will be acting as a regulatory agency thereafter.

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Thank you, Mr. City Attorney.

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Director Sandor Molina, planning and development services.

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Thank you, Madam Mayor. Members of the City Council.

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Is indicated by City Attorney Greta.

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This is a consideration by the City Council of three concept plans that are submitted by the buyer, Green's Group.

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The staff is being asked, excuse me,

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City Council is being asked to consider and recommend

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approval or approval through concepts.

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Prior to the staff's presentation,

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there is a video that we'd like to play.

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So this

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discussion that we're having tonight is consistent

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with our 2030 Vision Statement,

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and also the priority list that the Council

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approved for this fiscal year.

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A little bit more background.

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The City Council approved on August 13th,

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the purchase and sell agreement with greener.

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And pursuant to that agreement,

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Eskro did open on August 16th.

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So right now the buyer is going through their due diligence period

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and part of the purchase and sell agreement

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require the submittal concept plan.

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In that purchase and cell agreement, there is section 8.1 that requires a concept plan and also identifies that the cell is in favor of certain uses, such as the office hotel, sit down restaurants, retail uses, the multi-family uses.

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The agreement also indicated that the seller did not want pawn shops, laundry mats,

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service stations, gas stations, and convenience stores.

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And so those were the parameters by which the agreement was approved.

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The properties are just west of the canal.

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This is a brick deal, assisted care facility.

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McDonald's is here on the west and so it's these three parcels that

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are the subject of discussion and an escrow at this particular time.

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The three concept plans are proposed and the is indicated by the city attorney

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The council is only considering the uses.

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And what this does is, once the council or the seller

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indicates the uses that are acceptable to the seller,

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then by proposing all three different concepts,

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that gives the fire the flexibility to be able to move forward

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with any of those concepts and expedite the process.

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The next step again is to go through the entitlement process

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through the city planning department

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and go through public hearings to the planning commission.

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So the agreement required a site plan

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to show the arrangement of the structures,

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to show the improvements that would be constructed,

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to show the parcelization.

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We anticipate that the site will be resubbed divided.

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The buyer is also aware that

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with the development of the site intersection improvements

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will need to be done on canal.

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So, in doing that, this property here, this corner, is owned by Brookdale, only referred to as Brookdale property.

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And when this intersection is improved, there will need to be some right away acquired and widening done to accommodate through access.

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The city manager has spoken with Brookdale property owners and they are aware of this request and they are open to the process of allowing the improvements and also possibly acquiring in the future of the property.

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So, concept one, which is in the staff report, this provides the schematic and it shows the office hotel, multi-family, residential, multi-family.

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This here on the south side adjacent to Brookdale and the residential properties. This shows the incorporation

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of the Brookdale property, which, although it's not acquired, it's provided and it shows a complete

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street escape and also how it's integrated. It's proposed or shown here as a possible park or open

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plaza.

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And these uses are consistent with the purchase and cell agreement. But because this Brookdale

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property is not owned by the buyer.

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It's not controlled by the buyer.

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The second concept plan is the concept that excludes this

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park area.

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And this is the same type of uses, the same layout,

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brick-toe property should be acquired.

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It can be easily integrated, integrated to be consistent

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with concept plan 1 or integrated in some other fashion.

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concept plan 3, this is, this is where it's a little bit different.

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Concept 3 is being proposed by the buyer because there is a demand for convenience store

452
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,060
in fueling station.

453
00:46:12,940 --> 00:46:16,420
And so the buyer has provided this concept that shows those uses.

454
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:24,100
And again, it's proposed because there's an interest, there's by allowing this type of

455
00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:33,500
There's an end user that would move forward with this, and this would kick start the project and see it to completion.

456
00:46:35,580 --> 00:46:40,920
This proposal still has the office, the hotel, and the multi-family on the south side.

457
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:50,640
It has one drive-through, sit down and restaurant, and then again, in this corner here, this north east corner, it shows the convenience store and fueling stations.

458
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,240
There's just two things to keep in mind with this proposal.

459
00:46:56,500 --> 00:46:57,500
This proposal is concept.

460
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,140
One is that the purchase and sell agreement

461
00:47:00,140 --> 00:47:03,700
did indicate that the city did not favor these type of uses.

462
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:09,900
The purchase and sell agreement wasn't so clear or I should say.

463
00:47:09,980 --> 00:47:12,280
It wasn't so specific to say that the uses were prohibited.

464
00:47:12,940 --> 00:47:16,860
And so it does allow the seller to consider it.

465
00:47:16,860 --> 00:47:19,660
It's just not the seller's first choice of uses.

466
00:47:19,660 --> 00:47:22,580
The other thing, too, is that in the future,

467
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:28,300
should Brookdale property become acquired by the buyer.

468
00:47:31,580 --> 00:47:33,980
It's, it's, we would want to see how this property

469
00:47:33,980 --> 00:47:36,620
would integrate with the, with the, with the rest of the center.

470
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:42,420
When you have, excuse me, when you have these restaurant uses,

471
00:47:43,140 --> 00:47:46,100
that lend itself to this open area that can then be utilized

472
00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:47,820
by the users of these restaurants.

473
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,820
with the convenience store, buyer would need to show us how that would integrate because it

474
00:47:52,820 --> 00:47:57,580
seems to be a little bit different as far as the integration of the integration of the uses,

475
00:47:57,900 --> 00:48:03,720
but we would want to see that. So those are the concept plants. Now there was the video that

476
00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:08,940
was shown earlier, but these are just a few pictures that are photographs we wanted to show

477
00:48:08,940 --> 00:48:14,600
the council and the audience. These are actually renderings of the entire site, and then this

478
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:21,460
is the retail component hotel of the residential and the office.

479
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:29,540
And so staff is recommending that the city council approve all three concepts and allow

480
00:48:29,540 --> 00:48:34,520
the buyer to move forward with the concept that works best to get the project going and

481
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:35,820
see it forward towards completion.

482
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:41,880
And also, the council also, the seller has the option to provide some other direction

483
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,000
if it seems that that would be appropriate.

484
00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:52,400
And then finally, if the City Council or the Celer does recommend or does approve all three

485
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,760
concepts, then we would direct the City Manager to issue a written approval to Greens, which

486
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,860
then gives them the green light to move forward.

487
00:48:59,700 --> 00:49:00,940
And with that, I conclude my presentation.

488
00:49:01,340 --> 00:49:01,800
Thank you.

489
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:02,740
Thank you, Director Milena.

490
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,500
Are there questions of staff at this time?

491
00:49:06,100 --> 00:49:06,880
Councilmember Allen.

492
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:14,080
How is it that the items that are shown in concept plan 3?

493
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:18,820
How do they expedite or kickstart the project?

494
00:49:19,260 --> 00:49:25,120
And is there anything else that could expedite or kickstart why or why not?

495
00:49:25,500 --> 00:49:26,160
Thank you.

496
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:35,770
So, Councilmember Allen, I think that that question is best answered by the Greens group

497
00:49:35,770 --> 00:49:39,410
because they've been, you know, they have that background information and can better

498
00:49:39,410 --> 00:49:45,010
demonstrate that or explain that. But I'll be happy to respond any other questions you may have.

499
00:49:46,370 --> 00:49:51,310
That's the only one to have right now. And if you don't want to answer it, that's fine. I can take it later.

500
00:49:53,170 --> 00:49:54,810
You don't, you don't, you don't.

501
00:49:54,910 --> 00:49:57,790
What did it, it's okay.

502
00:49:57,810 --> 00:49:57,910
It's okay.

503
00:49:58,050 --> 00:50:04,890
I love all what it is is that there's an interest for that type of use.

504
00:50:04,890 --> 00:50:10,410
And if that interest moves forward, then there's a financial component that helps

505
00:50:11,110 --> 00:50:13,250
construct the project and do all the infrastructure improvements.

506
00:50:13,410 --> 00:50:15,730
And I think the city manager, Mr. Deff, you wanted to.

507
00:50:15,770 --> 00:50:18,490
So you also added that. Mr. Deffy?

508
00:50:18,590 --> 00:50:20,790
Yes, thank you, Mayor, for the record, G-Hill, Duffy City Manager.

509
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:25,030
And the applicant, the Greenwich Group, can actually answer this question.

510
00:50:25,470 --> 00:50:31,070
But often in development projects, what the developer will have to do is they will

511
00:50:31,070 --> 00:50:37,530
shop the project and then based upon interest for the project they can then monetize that interest.

512
00:50:38,250 --> 00:50:43,950
And so because they've already received significant interest in a certain type of category,

513
00:50:44,690 --> 00:50:50,990
they're looking at this and they're saying, okay, so we can spend our appropriate time

514
00:50:50,990 --> 00:50:57,070
marketing the project or if we have someone already to give us the financing to be able to

515
00:50:57,070 --> 00:51:02,210
push the project forward, it just cuts down time and that's what she's saying is that the interest

516
00:51:02,210 --> 00:51:07,590
is there based upon the market and this is all about the market and being able to monetize

517
00:51:07,590 --> 00:51:15,710
your contract to you complete building. But Green Group Adam Correll and Angela and Angel

518
00:51:15,710 --> 00:51:20,350
Orozco are here from the Green Group and more than welcome that to add anything if you want to

519
00:51:23,850 --> 00:51:27,230
on our mobile, City Council staff.

520
00:51:27,730 --> 00:51:28,670
Thank you for having us today.

521
00:51:29,690 --> 00:51:30,990
So with the whole concept here,

522
00:51:31,110 --> 00:51:32,990
we're working on a project over at Vambier

523
00:51:32,990 --> 00:51:34,950
and the 2015 freeway right now,

524
00:51:34,970 --> 00:51:36,530
and it's a very similar mixed use development.

525
00:51:37,290 --> 00:51:39,030
And what we found is,

526
00:51:39,450 --> 00:51:41,410
when you have a large project,

527
00:51:42,330 --> 00:51:43,390
a lot of people always sit there

528
00:51:43,390 --> 00:51:45,450
and say, especially when you're taking it

529
00:51:45,450 --> 00:51:46,190
to the market with brokers,

530
00:51:46,430 --> 00:51:48,690
what happens is somebody will ask the question,

531
00:51:48,810 --> 00:51:50,650
well who's coming? Who's coming?

532
00:51:50,650 --> 00:51:57,430
And we had a hard time, we bought that property out in 2014, and lo and behold, we got lucky and in an out came.

533
00:51:58,070 --> 00:52:06,070
So once in an out came, we secured Starbucks, we were able to secure Jersey mics, we got another fuel station out there,

534
00:52:06,070 --> 00:52:09,510
76 or okay, and a hemp in it.

535
00:52:10,290 --> 00:52:13,750
But it took that initial user to take that first step.

536
00:52:14,270 --> 00:52:18,750
Right now, we actually have a user that's interested in that first step, and that's actually the fuel station.

537
00:52:18,750 --> 00:52:28,570
So that's what it allows, is it's like who's coming and you can sit there and say if somebody and the fuel station actually does drive traffic that will also help a coffee shop or some type of other user to come in online

538
00:52:28,570 --> 00:52:34,710
So that's why we're actually asking council and staff to consider this project

539
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:36,050
Thank you.

540
00:52:36,170 --> 00:52:37,110
Councilman Rowan

541
00:52:37,110 --> 00:52:46,470
Yeah, I just have one more is so how much do you believe it would expd what's the quantitative value of that

542
00:52:47,130 --> 00:52:50,430
It's six months, a year, six weeks.

543
00:52:50,910 --> 00:52:53,370
It's all market driven and honestly, it's really hard to say.

544
00:52:53,530 --> 00:52:55,670
It just really depends on what the broker is going to secure.

545
00:52:56,970 --> 00:53:00,550
The other thing I like to point out too is with that type of density.

546
00:53:00,770 --> 00:53:03,910
One other thing we've learned in our mixed use development projects,

547
00:53:04,450 --> 00:53:07,530
it's exactly like what the city attorney just stayed a little while ago.

548
00:53:07,930 --> 00:53:11,570
It's also better to analyze the project with that type of density

549
00:53:11,570 --> 00:53:15,270
because it's always better to have density and not need it,

550
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:20,230
need it and not have it. So we would like to actually analyze it to the maximum extent practical

551
00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:20,970
on the site.

552
00:53:21,490 --> 00:53:26,550
It was interesting that I noted that the project you're doing, you mentioned on Bambir

553
00:53:26,550 --> 00:53:27,170
in 2015,

554
00:53:31,310 --> 00:53:37,290
that the entity that kick started, that project was a restaurant. Correct. Correct.

555
00:53:37,710 --> 00:53:44,590
Correct. That's a totally understandable answer. In this case, we actually have a user actively

556
00:53:44,590 --> 00:53:49,030
interested in pursuing the site. So that's the one thing if you don't have a user, then somebody

557
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:52,710
comes in and says, well, who else you have. And it's like one of those things that can

558
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:57,270
actually become harder to market in the future. So that's why we'd like the city council and

559
00:53:57,270 --> 00:54:01,790
staff to consider this option. Thank you. Thank you.

560
00:54:02,170 --> 00:54:08,830
Before you sit down, sir. Before you sit down. Are you Mr. Roscoe?

561
00:54:08,830 --> 00:54:09,470
I'm sorry.

562
00:54:10,090 --> 00:54:10,570
I'm sorry.

563
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:11,470
My name is Adam Corral.

564
00:54:11,650 --> 00:54:11,950
I apologize.

565
00:54:12,250 --> 00:54:14,290
I'm the VP of Development at Greens.

566
00:54:14,370 --> 00:54:15,250
Mr. Corral.

567
00:54:15,830 --> 00:54:16,130
Thank you.

568
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:20,510
I don't know if you can answer it this time or if it's even appropriate to ask.

569
00:54:21,210 --> 00:54:25,950
But what's the potential value of this project once it's built out?

570
00:54:26,750 --> 00:54:30,750
It really depends on the actual mix of uses at the end of the game.

571
00:54:31,310 --> 00:54:33,950
It depends on who we secure for the office tenants.

572
00:54:33,950 --> 00:54:38,210
It's actually, we're pursuing it as a creative office or even medical office.

573
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:43,970
There's a lot of variables in that, but I couldn't tell you what the actual, at this

574
00:54:43,970 --> 00:54:46,950
stage of the game, what the actual value of the project would be at the end.

575
00:54:48,370 --> 00:54:50,910
Okay, so you're not, and you're not comfortable with a ballpark, then either?

576
00:54:51,290 --> 00:54:54,430
Oh, I'm not number, I'm not number, I'm not number.

577
00:54:54,550 --> 00:54:54,990
I'm not number.

578
00:54:54,990 --> 00:54:55,190
I'm not number here.

579
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:57,190
He'd probably be able to hold that information.

580
00:54:57,410 --> 00:54:57,790
That's okay.

581
00:54:57,850 --> 00:54:58,430
I appreciate that.

582
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:58,810
All right.

583
00:54:58,810 --> 00:55:02,170
Any other questions of staff or Mr. Correll?

584
00:55:02,170 --> 00:55:08,470
All right, thank you so much. I appreciate that. All right, well, open public comment at this time.

585
00:55:11,690 --> 00:55:18,470
We have no public comment, madam. All right, close by. I do apologize. I'm so sorry. We have one email that we did receive.

586
00:55:18,970 --> 00:55:21,110
I believe you have one comment towards a hearing too.

587
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:35,360
We received an email from Ms. Strongwell who opposes the project and she would prefer something smaller,

588
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,660
But she does not like any of the concepts as presented.

589
00:55:39,540 --> 00:55:40,780
All right, thank you.

590
00:55:46,310 --> 00:55:47,190
Thank you.

591
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,020
Mr. Kenneth Cites.

592
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:52,600
Yes.

593
00:55:55,170 --> 00:55:55,970
Excuse me.

594
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:57,890
Just a few comments.

595
00:55:59,750 --> 00:56:03,070
What is grand terrace need with four gas stations?

596
00:56:07,540 --> 00:56:17,660
The convenience store that's proposed is this convenience store going to drive the convenience store out of business that's been a long term resident of grand terrace?

597
00:56:19,900 --> 00:56:30,020
How many times is the holiday and express rock and the corner than filled the capacity that we would need a hotel here?

598
00:56:32,460 --> 00:56:33,320
Those are my comments.

599
00:56:34,180 --> 00:56:40,400
Thank you, Mr. Sipes. I appreciate you being here and I appreciate you speaking. Do we have another request to speak on this item?

600
00:56:41,180 --> 00:56:42,360
Please turn that in.

601
00:56:51,020 --> 00:56:53,400
Thank you. Miss Linda Barton?

602
00:56:55,840 --> 00:57:06,500
Just want in all this planning to take into consideration the housing tract right behind, which is where I live.

603
00:57:07,140 --> 00:57:18,500
Read Avenue, it's got, we're right behind the senior complex and right across the street from us.

604
00:57:18,500 --> 00:57:20,340
about the hidden gate.

605
00:57:21,180 --> 00:57:26,520
Now you're going to take away what little view we have left of anything right there, building

606
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:30,100
where one house away from that field you're going to build in.

607
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:36,780
We've been there 33 years and we've seen a lot of changes and you took away our view of

608
00:57:36,780 --> 00:57:37,100
the mountain.

609
00:57:37,700 --> 00:57:40,580
Now you're going to take away our view of anything.

610
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:46,960
We're going to have what a three-story apartment complex right at the end of our street.

611
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:55,340
I don't think any of you on that board or on that council would want that right outside your house.

612
00:57:56,100 --> 00:57:58,420
And I think you really ought to take that into consideration.

613
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,040
Everybody in that little street we live on.

614
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,100
It's about a three block area.

615
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:05,540
Have been there long term.

616
00:58:05,780 --> 00:58:07,740
I'm surprised more of them are not here.

617
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,140
But, you know, consider everything.

618
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,520
Consider the people that have been there long term.

619
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:20,740
Ben and Grant Harris when it was still a little pokey-nothing town and that's why we moved here and

620
00:58:22,140 --> 00:58:29,800
Please don't block what little view we have left. Don't put an apartment complex right at the end of our street

621
00:58:30,660 --> 00:58:31,180
just

622
00:58:32,660 --> 00:58:33,700
You know

623
00:58:33,700 --> 00:58:35,760
Think about the little people

624
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:41,760
Thank you Miss Bartman. I appreciate you being here and I appreciate your comments and I see another request to speak for

625
00:58:48,610 --> 00:58:49,550
Miss Cindy Whitney

626
00:58:59,500 --> 00:59:01,080
Hi, guys. I'm back.

627
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:07,440
I want to thank you for your support in your service. I want to thank

628
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:11,760
the mayor for supporting our neighborhood. I saw you out there walking the project with

629
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:19,100
your husband and considering our concerns. I'm sure you all remember a lot of the concerns

630
00:59:19,100 --> 00:59:25,720
that we had while State or Brothers was proposing their project and who was the other guy,

631
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,540
Johnson or somebody.

632
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:40,200
Our neighborhood has suffered some problems with kids hanging out, drugs, whatever is going

633
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:45,240
on back there, littering, over there by the wall.

634
00:59:46,220 --> 00:59:49,300
And as you know, our neighborhood is very close to that wall.

635
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:54,840
One of the things we fought for was to have a sit back so that we wouldn't have to be

636
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:59,980
close to the project. One of the good things that happened was that it was a driveway put.

637
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:11,620
Between the, um, the state of brothers in our neighborhood, however the project that that's being proposed is like five stories high and like to back to our, our neighborhood.

638
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,560
One of the rights that we have is quite enjoyment.

639
01:00:16,540 --> 01:00:24,540
I fought for that, uh, when the state of, uh, the state of brothers project was going in and exactly what happened.

640
01:00:24,540 --> 01:00:28,540
We have deliveries of 5.30 in the morning, 4.30 in the morning.

641
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,580
They wake me up.

642
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:32,560
It's consistent.

643
01:00:33,020 --> 01:00:34,680
The mayor has helped me out with that.

644
01:00:34,860 --> 01:00:36,540
I've had some delay.

645
01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:41,200
But it happens again and again.

646
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:47,420
Over building that site is not conducive to our little neighborhood.

647
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:53,820
What we really talked about was the 20 years ago was

648
01:00:53,820 --> 01:00:55,960
A river walk setting,

649
01:00:59,020 --> 01:01:08,820
something we as a neighborhood could enjoy, and I'm not going to enjoy people in a hotel looking down into my backyard.

650
01:01:09,940 --> 01:01:20,700
I'm not going to enjoy, I don't know what kind of multifamily, I guess it could be anything, it could be retirement, it could be section five, it could be apartments.

651
01:01:20,700 --> 01:01:24,020
And all of that makes a huge difference.

652
01:01:24,500 --> 01:01:25,920
I'm not against developing.

653
01:01:26,340 --> 01:01:27,040
I'm not.

654
01:01:27,380 --> 01:01:28,740
I'd never have been.

655
01:01:29,660 --> 01:01:34,040
But I would like you to be responsible and take care of us.

656
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,720
And also take care of your promise to our neighborhood before.

657
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:43,520
The project was supposed to have a development of a shrubbery

658
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,120
and greenery on our side.

659
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,040
And that's all gone to the wayside.

660
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:48,840
Thank you.

661
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:53,000
Ms. Bidney. I appreciate you being here tonight. One more.

662
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,100
Thank you. Jay Bartman.

663
01:02:06,500 --> 01:02:14,880
Well, my name is Jay Bartman. I live at 12 to 20 read Avenue. And I've been there 33 years.

664
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:23,300
And we have some concerns. We when the hidden gate facility was put in across the street from us.

665
01:02:23,300 --> 01:02:30,440
We were told, though, yeah, there's going to be a wall, so you can't see into their homes,

666
01:02:30,820 --> 01:02:33,060
they can't see any of yours.

667
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:37,400
Well, those lots were raised up so high.

668
01:02:38,140 --> 01:02:45,540
There's a wall there, but the wall doesn't keep us from looking into their house or their

669
01:02:45,540 --> 01:02:46,580
them looking in ours.

670
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:52,380
We had concerns about the traffic lighting, you know, when they come down their street, they're

671
01:02:52,380 --> 01:02:54,200
to shine their lights into our house.

672
01:02:55,300 --> 01:03:02,080
We were told they'd put a solid barrier, they did not, they put the solid barrier on the

673
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:02,900
debris side.

674
01:03:05,260 --> 01:03:08,800
So now we have their lights coming into our house.

675
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:22,360
When the State of Brothers facility was put in, we had concerns, we came here, we had

676
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:32,610
In our backyards, this new facility is only going to add to that, no matter how it's addressed.

677
01:03:33,910 --> 01:03:37,510
You're going to add people with lights, it's going to be bright.

678
01:03:38,090 --> 01:03:40,910
Another concern is we don't want read Avenue going through.

679
01:03:41,390 --> 01:03:42,430
We don't want the traffic.

680
01:03:43,230 --> 01:03:44,410
We don't want foot traffic.

681
01:03:46,820 --> 01:03:52,240
If there's even a walk through gate, we will be inundated with shopping cards.

682
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:55,080
We don't want that.

683
01:03:58,270 --> 01:04:04,010
I am sorry to report that we have had trouble on our street with vandalism.

684
01:04:05,390 --> 01:04:10,830
My armail box has been destroyed three times this year.

685
01:04:12,130 --> 01:04:14,430
I reported it once to the police,

686
01:04:17,690 --> 01:04:21,710
my neighbor, same story, and on down the street.

687
01:04:22,370 --> 01:04:25,350
You can talk to the other residents and they've had the same problems.

688
01:04:25,350 --> 01:04:26,210
I

689
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,240
used to be on the skater side

690
01:04:36,270 --> 01:04:38,630
through a trash in our house, you know, in the

691
01:04:38,630 --> 01:04:40,330
front yard, in the street.

692
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:50,700
I hope that you address these issues that we have, and we really don't want to

693
01:04:50,700 --> 01:04:54,580
see five story buildings, four story buildings, three story buildings,

694
01:04:55,980 --> 01:04:59,680
we really just don't want to see that.

695
01:05:00,980 --> 01:05:01,380
Thank you.

696
01:05:01,500 --> 01:05:02,320
Thank you, Mr. Bartman.

697
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:03,760
I appreciate you being here tonight.

698
01:05:13,550 --> 01:05:14,070
Curtis Holt?

699
01:05:19,830 --> 01:05:20,070
Hi.

700
01:05:20,310 --> 01:05:20,650
Good evening.

701
01:05:20,650 --> 01:05:26,910
I live at 12209 Pascal, which is on the corner of Pascal and the pay right behind the

702
01:05:26,910 --> 01:05:27,990
state of brothers as well.

703
01:05:28,770 --> 01:05:31,270
The area on read has been a problem.

704
01:05:32,650 --> 01:05:37,650
We have people parking back there, loot acts, drugs.

705
01:05:38,550 --> 01:05:43,890
We have a hard time policing that, and we have a hard time getting to police out there.

706
01:05:44,050 --> 01:05:49,110
So this is one thing that I think should be taken into consideration as well, with another

707
01:05:49,110 --> 01:05:55,390
multi-family housing project that's going to be able to climb over the wall as people are

708
01:05:55,390 --> 01:06:01,330
doing now, I think this is going to increase. So I hope that you guys take into serious

709
01:06:01,330 --> 01:06:08,870
consideration the police force that we have in this city and plan to make moves to give us

710
01:06:08,870 --> 01:06:18,570
a little more protection in that area. I just don't want to see it get anywhere. So I've only

711
01:06:18,570 --> 01:06:25,610
people off of Lepay and I'm probably getting a reputation for that already, but we just don't

712
01:06:25,610 --> 01:06:29,250
need any more problems in that area, so please take all that into consideration.

713
01:06:30,190 --> 01:06:32,470
Thank you, Mr. Holt. I appreciate you being here tonight.

714
01:06:33,630 --> 01:06:35,690
With that, I will close public comment.

715
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:47,700
Okay, how many more do we have?

716
01:06:50,300 --> 01:06:51,480
You have one in your hand.

717
01:06:56,780 --> 01:06:57,640
Terrorist Ascenia.

718
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,720
Hi, my name is Terrace Ascenia. I live at 22540.

719
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:17,740
Brett was street and grand terrace, muscle planning commissioner, so for full disclosure.

720
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:25,680
I understand everybody's complaints and issues, but I also understand that.

721
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:27,400
May we take that two-minute break?

722
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,140
Sure, we're in recess for two minutes.

723
01:07:54,020 --> 01:07:54,640
I'm sorry.

724
01:07:54,940 --> 01:07:58,060
We will reconvene our regular meeting and terrace as in yet.

725
01:07:58,900 --> 01:08:05,140
And I've been informed that my position as a planning commissioner omits my being able to make a private citizen comment.

726
01:08:05,140 --> 01:08:10,460
So I'm going to re-trap my paper. Thank you.

727
01:08:10,860 --> 01:08:12,520
Because this will come before you later on.

728
01:08:12,940 --> 01:08:14,380
Yes. Thank you for being here tonight.

729
01:08:15,420 --> 01:08:15,920
All right.

730
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:17,340
Madam Mayor, if I may just declare a fight.

731
01:08:17,580 --> 01:08:18,500
Mr. City Attorney.

732
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:19,520
Thank you.

733
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,840
So what I just advise is that she's welcome to speak as a member of the public.

734
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:33,500
But if she does potentially that may affect her ability to participate in the decision when it does go before the panic commission.

735
01:08:33,500 --> 01:08:36,720
So it's her decision, but I just wanted to make her aware of that.

736
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:37,060
All right.

737
01:08:37,460 --> 01:08:39,680
I appreciate the decision that you made.

738
01:08:43,330 --> 01:08:47,190
And just to be clear for the record, that applies whether she's in support of the project,

739
01:08:47,250 --> 01:08:49,770
against the project, whatever her thoughts are.

740
01:08:49,810 --> 01:08:50,650
Just want to make that clear.

741
01:08:51,510 --> 01:08:51,750
OK.

742
01:08:51,930 --> 01:08:54,350
I know I rushed you and writing your name.

743
01:08:55,490 --> 01:08:56,310
Angela Wagner.

744
01:08:56,810 --> 01:08:58,370
Thank you.

745
01:08:58,870 --> 01:09:00,250
I thought about that as I wrote it down.

746
01:09:00,490 --> 01:09:01,810
I'm not sure if nobody's going to be able to read this.

747
01:09:02,830 --> 01:09:03,510
We love it.

748
01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:07,570
2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 2, 3, we lived here 18 years,

749
01:09:14,830 --> 01:09:17,630
and I may know that there's the new subdivision

750
01:09:17,630 --> 01:09:23,830
that's over in high-grow. They probably could use it, but, I mean, it's not really necessary.

751
01:09:25,130 --> 01:09:28,710
But my husband and I would love to have a restaurant where he can go and sit and have a drink

752
01:09:28,710 --> 01:09:37,190
and food at the same time. We don't have that. We have one sit down restaurant. So I'm excited

753
01:09:37,190 --> 01:09:44,110
about that. So I like the first two, if you guys can possibly not do the gas station in the

754
01:09:44,110 --> 01:09:48,570
convenience store, that would be, that's why I wanted to put it. Thank you.

755
01:09:48,650 --> 01:09:52,690
Thank you, Ms. Wagner. I appreciate you being here tonight. Okay, is that the last one?

756
01:09:53,970 --> 01:09:57,770
As far as I'm aware. All right, I'm going to close public comment and bring it back to council

757
01:09:57,770 --> 01:10:01,190
for their comments and consideration of emotion.

758
01:10:04,930 --> 01:10:10,710
I have some comments, I have like to make about this project.

759
01:10:21,980 --> 01:10:29,420
I like the concept plans, the three of them that were presented, I like this whole idea

760
01:10:29,420 --> 01:10:32,120
of this development, this makes use to development.

761
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:40,520
If I had my preference, I like the concept plan one with the outdoor

762
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:47,720
area that little, you know, sliver of land that's right by the entrance road.

763
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:54,970
I think that's concept plan number one.

764
01:11:02,470 --> 01:11:03,350
Are there any...

765
01:11:03,350 --> 01:11:04,190
Council member Allen.

766
01:11:04,510 --> 01:11:12,030
I think the concept number two is similar to that, but it is taking into consideration that they may not have control of that piece of land there.

767
01:11:12,570 --> 01:11:13,210
Yeah, that's correct.

768
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:15,590
I'm aware of that.

769
01:11:15,670 --> 01:11:18,830
And that's why I prefer number one, and I'll tell you.

770
01:11:18,830 --> 01:11:23,390
But the thing I envision with that piece of land right there and the reason I like it so

771
01:11:23,390 --> 01:11:30,930
much is I really enjoy going over to Redlands to that I think it's called Mountain Plaza near

772
01:11:30,930 --> 01:11:36,210
the Arkansas Theatre and they have that outdoor area where the families can come together

773
01:11:36,210 --> 01:11:40,250
and there are several restaurants and they even have live performances on weekends, live

774
01:11:40,250 --> 01:11:45,290
bands come there and I envision that's sort of a venue that's sort of an idea.

775
01:11:45,290 --> 01:11:48,370
I mean, we have a specific plan in this plan.

776
01:11:48,570 --> 01:11:50,390
We said we want more pedestrian, friendly,

777
01:11:50,450 --> 01:11:55,050
Barton Road, and I strongly believe the concept plan number one

778
01:11:55,050 --> 01:11:58,210
will help bring that vision to reality.

779
01:12:02,530 --> 01:12:10,770
And whenever our city was founded in 1978, folks

780
01:12:10,770 --> 01:12:14,070
when they selected a name, they didn't say, well,

781
01:12:15,770 --> 01:12:23,970
And nobody said, hey, nobody stood up and said, hey, let's just call this every day ordinary, just like all the other terraces terrace.

782
01:12:24,910 --> 01:12:26,750
You know, that's not us.

783
01:12:27,210 --> 01:12:32,190
You know, we are our founding residents, those who started this beautiful city.

784
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:38,190
They had a vision and our city staff has worked hard towards that vision and elected leaders.

785
01:12:40,450 --> 01:12:46,090
And they had, they knew they had something extraordinary up here on this hill on this terrace,

786
01:12:46,190 --> 01:12:48,610
and that's why they named it Grand Terrace.

787
01:12:50,030 --> 01:12:54,310
And so I'd like to challenge us to be bold in this development.

788
01:12:55,890 --> 01:13:00,290
I don't want to just see Canal Crossing, I'd like to see Grand Canal Crossing.

789
01:13:02,210 --> 01:13:02,230
Right?

790
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:07,210
So let's give this in.

791
01:13:07,210 --> 01:13:07,870
to work.

792
01:13:10,180 --> 01:13:12,680
Thank you, Councilmember Allen, further comments.

793
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:14,580
Councilmember Hussie.

794
01:13:17,110 --> 01:13:19,570
First of all, I'd like to thank everybody who came out here in spoke.

795
01:13:21,670 --> 01:13:27,110
We all care about our community. We all move here for a reason because it has a mayberry

796
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:35,230
town fill. And I'm talking about mailboxes, crime, you know, you may effects my

797
01:13:35,230 --> 01:13:39,970
street and I live off the beaten path, but my streets use as a throw through and a lot of

798
01:13:39,970 --> 01:13:45,090
council member. So we live here, we understand. You know, I end up building mailboxes for all

799
01:13:45,090 --> 01:13:50,530
my neighbors because they're getting vandalized and you know, car windows smashed. So we are

800
01:13:50,530 --> 01:13:56,190
not immune from the crime. Crime is going to continue happen. We have the shares and they're doing

801
01:13:56,190 --> 01:14:01,990
the best of their ability. And I like to have a share of each block, but we can't. And then we hear

802
01:14:01,990 --> 01:14:06,110
about the developments. As I've done in council, one of the things I always heard from business

803
01:14:06,110 --> 01:14:12,790
owners is just places and user friendly the city for business. We can't get any development

804
01:14:12,790 --> 01:14:20,130
going here, we can't do this, we can't do that. I believe I heard that a load was proved

805
01:14:20,130 --> 01:14:25,590
that one time and then it got turned away from the city. So there's been a lot of what

806
01:14:26,350 --> 01:14:30,190
is, what's coming in. I don't even tell my wife what's coming in because until we do the

807
01:14:30,190 --> 01:14:32,390
really cutting ceremony because people have seen

808
01:14:32,390 --> 01:14:35,390
some of them in the council back out all the time.

809
01:14:35,830 --> 01:14:41,110
And we think about the residents and what they need

810
01:14:41,110 --> 01:14:43,570
and we're concerned about them.

811
01:14:43,890 --> 01:14:46,810
And then again, I got to think about the residents

812
01:14:46,810 --> 01:14:48,450
what they need to concern about them.

813
01:14:48,550 --> 01:14:50,970
And that's one of the things being on the council,

814
01:14:51,770 --> 01:14:53,590
you don't realize the cost of everything.

815
01:14:54,650 --> 01:14:57,050
Our biggest cost is to have our law enforcement

816
01:14:57,050 --> 01:14:59,590
to maintain the safety of our city.

817
01:15:00,050 --> 01:15:10,630
And one of the things that we look at is development, city manager, she's been given a march in order to find his development, so we can maintain the city cost and maintain the may be very atmosphere.

818
01:15:11,390 --> 01:15:19,410
Unfortunately, growth does happen, and sometimes happens in our backyard and doesn't, you know, we might not like it.

819
01:15:21,190 --> 01:15:24,470
And, you know, the city council, we try to work things wrong, I think it's a nice development.

820
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:29,430
do we need four gas stations? I don't know. I know one gas station I try to get in

821
01:15:29,430 --> 01:15:34,750
and second possible sometimes to get in there. But we do need a development and it's

822
01:15:34,750 --> 01:15:39,410
been a dirt lot for a long time and what's coming in our city is grown. We're getting

823
01:15:39,410 --> 01:15:46,990
a lot of traffic from high grow. They'll shop here. We do have one sit-down

824
01:15:46,990 --> 01:15:56,230
restaurant that does serve alcohol, so just to put that in perspective. But I'm just saying

825
01:15:56,230 --> 01:16:01,470
we have to think about the concepts. I liked all the concepts like Mr. Allen. I do prefer

826
01:16:01,470 --> 01:16:07,330
a concept one with the plaza. It's nice because I've been to the area and you can see nice

827
01:16:07,330 --> 01:16:12,910
family get together and that's what the city is about family and get together and maintaining

828
01:16:12,910 --> 01:16:17,070
in our little areas so we can shop and be, you know, so we don't have to go outside of

829
01:16:17,070 --> 01:16:18,090
other communities and shop.

830
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:22,510
We have heard about people that wanted to stay in hotels and staying grand chairs because

831
01:16:22,510 --> 01:16:23,630
they feel safe.

832
01:16:24,010 --> 01:16:27,270
The students that go along the window, their families that want to stay in grand chairs.

833
01:16:27,490 --> 01:16:31,710
We have things in our high school where they have the robotics competition and nobody

834
01:16:31,710 --> 01:16:32,950
had places to stay.

835
01:16:34,050 --> 01:16:39,850
The multi-family residential, you know, in the states, has cities and they want to develop

836
01:16:39,850 --> 01:16:43,650
multiple family residential area because we all know the properties expensive here.

837
01:16:44,370 --> 01:16:48,250
So we have to look at their needs to the young family starting out.

838
01:16:50,130 --> 01:16:55,530
So, you know, I approve all three concerts, but I really like concert one, but I'll leave

839
01:16:55,530 --> 01:16:57,850
that up to developers so that's all I have there.

840
01:16:58,050 --> 01:16:58,630
Thank you.

841
01:16:58,630 --> 01:16:59,150
Thank you.

842
01:16:59,330 --> 01:16:59,710
Bear for 10.

843
01:16:59,870 --> 01:17:00,150
You're coming?

844
01:17:00,790 --> 01:17:01,690
Thank you.

845
01:17:02,490 --> 01:17:06,290
I have a requesting clarification from staff.

846
01:17:08,990 --> 01:17:18,410
That I guess the exit or whatever it is, near the multifamily residential unit, is that not a fire exit only?

847
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:25,180
It says the best I can tell with our little deal here.

848
01:17:25,500 --> 01:17:27,660
It says it's sliding, that doesn't tell me anything.

849
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:35,540
Mayor Paul Tim Wilson, are you on the slide here and referring down in this area?

850
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:37,820
Yeah, well, because I left of it.

851
01:17:38,620 --> 01:17:38,980
Right there.

852
01:17:41,500 --> 01:17:45,500
This may be, is that also, yes, it's a fire accent.

853
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:46,200
That's what I thought.

854
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,640
So, it's only set up for emergency fire regress.

855
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:54,420
It's not set up for, you know, regar every day traffic, correct?

856
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:57,320
It's just so the neighborhood knows that.

857
01:17:57,780 --> 01:17:57,840
All right.

858
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:03,280
So, the intention is not to, you know, you get a freebie in between the multi-family residential and your houses.

859
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:04,460
That is.

860
01:18:04,580 --> 01:18:05,080
That is.

861
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,040
I think Director Molina has more to say on it.

862
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:11,340
Just for clarity, may or per ten.

863
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:15,020
So this, and yes, we're not talking about slight development,

864
01:18:15,300 --> 01:18:19,000
but because question was asked, this residential multi-family,

865
01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:23,080
the residents of this have access through the center

866
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:24,320
and through this back.

867
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:29,120
But this commercial traffic has no access to the residential.

868
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:32,220
And I think that's where you're going with that.

869
01:18:32,300 --> 01:18:33,200
That's where we go.

870
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:33,720
Thank you.

871
01:18:36,660 --> 01:18:44,000
Okay. The further discussion of all of this will be at the Planning Commission, if we decide to move forward with this.

872
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:53,220
And so I hear questions from the audience, but we've gone past the public comment period, and we're really just looking at the concepts and what we like here tonight.

873
01:18:54,440 --> 01:19:02,460
So Mayor Protem to do you have more questions about the comments or more comments about the concepts, which ones that you like in particular or do not like?

874
01:19:02,460 --> 01:19:12,360
No, it's just an issue that had been raised by one of the neighbors and I just thought it'd be interesting to understand what the intent the concept was.

875
01:19:12,580 --> 01:19:18,020
Okay, thank you. Mr. Adam Correll, you had a comment that you wanted to make?

876
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:32,300
We at Green's, we pride ourselves on finding the win-win for not just between the city and for the developer, but also with the members of the community.

877
01:19:32,300 --> 01:19:44,020
I am happy to meet with anybody after this hearing and just talk about the projects, talk about their concerns, and try to figure out how we can live harmoniously.

878
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:58,460
We were very conscientious about putting a residential development, a adjacent to the residential development, to create that buffer between the retail pieces and what the members of the community would be predominantly concerned about.

879
01:19:58,460 --> 01:20:00,780
because I believe that RFP originally had it

880
01:20:00,780 --> 01:20:02,500
to where that was going to be a commercial use.

881
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:04,040
But we were actually the one saying,

882
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:05,800
that doesn't make sense because of the community.

883
01:20:06,540 --> 01:20:08,660
So that was one of the things that I wanted to point out to everybody

884
01:20:08,660 --> 01:20:11,940
that we are trying our best to try to accommodate the community

885
01:20:11,940 --> 01:20:13,720
as well as the sitting needs,

886
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:15,320
along with having a successful development.

887
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:17,280
And I also got an answer for you

888
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:19,020
that development would be about 50 million.

889
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:20,180
That asset.

890
01:20:21,660 --> 01:20:24,720
And one other thing I'd like to add is we still

891
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,000
would like to move forward with option three,

892
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:32,040
only because like I said, it's like I want to analyze that density, everything else so if we could

893
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:36,360
also still consider that, I greatly appreciate it because like I said, we are trying to create that

894
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:41,260
buffer and you know, I think that everybody likes to have choice as far as like what they

895
01:20:41,260 --> 01:20:44,200
where they want to fill up. So thank you. Thank you, Mr. Kuro.

896
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:49,500
Further discussion from the council? Council member Allen.

897
01:20:49,500 --> 01:21:00,740
Well, I don't think that the question for me is not about whether or not grandparents can support another gas station.

898
01:21:02,440 --> 01:21:06,500
I just would like to, if we do, I would rather see it in a different location.

899
01:21:06,500 --> 01:21:14,660
closer down to, you know, somewhere between Michigan and the freeway and or on the other

900
01:21:14,660 --> 01:21:19,380
side, you know, and not in that particular development.

901
01:21:19,780 --> 01:21:25,710
So I believe that over time, in the future, the traffic is going to be there that can support

902
01:21:26,620 --> 01:21:28,120
another fuel extension.

903
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:33,100
But I prefer in this development what I see in concept plan number one.

904
01:21:33,100 --> 01:21:40,300
Okay, so you're saying you would like to only consider concept one?

905
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:47,820
No, I'm not saying that I would only consider concept plan number one.

906
01:21:48,820 --> 01:21:54,400
But I'm saying that my strongly prefer concept plan number one.

907
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:56,360
It's my preference.

908
01:21:57,440 --> 01:22:04,340
I just see, I know we're trying to create an area that's pedestrian-friendly, walkable, enjoyable in the evenings.

909
01:22:04,340 --> 01:22:09,800
And I just think that that plan can help us achieve that vision.

910
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:26,390
I think all of the concepts have been well thought out at least for a concept.

911
01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:39,090
And I do like that our proposals have really taken to heart what we said and then wanting to create a buffer between the residential and the commercial.

912
01:22:40,310 --> 01:22:42,930
I do like concept plan one the best.

913
01:22:43,210 --> 01:22:46,790
I understand concept plan two is very similar,

914
01:22:48,490 --> 01:22:50,630
but you don't have control of the Brookdale property,

915
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:57,030
although if concept plan one and two were considered,

916
01:22:57,030 --> 01:23:01,150
I would hope that there would still be the idea

917
01:23:01,150 --> 01:23:05,190
that when there's an opportunity to purchase

918
01:23:05,190 --> 01:23:08,070
and control that land that that might be developed.

919
01:23:08,070 --> 01:23:10,890
But I think that that would add to the charm of the center.

920
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:15,070
Having said that comes up three, I understand that

921
01:23:15,810 --> 01:23:18,030
it's not as desirable as the others.

922
01:23:22,010 --> 01:23:25,350
But if you have that use and you're able to market it better,

923
01:23:25,550 --> 01:23:29,590
that does make it something for the...

924
01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:34,030
for the actual ability to create the whole center.

925
01:23:34,730 --> 01:23:38,470
And it does make it important to be able to market it that way.

926
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:46,710
So I mean, I could see I could see a green to all three and saying, you know, you're going to go through a lot to get through the planning commission.

927
01:23:47,270 --> 01:23:51,650
You're going to go through a lot when you when you speak to the residents and get their considerations.

928
01:23:52,410 --> 01:23:57,110
And I imagine that there's probably going to be some change by the time you get this finished.

929
01:23:58,090 --> 01:24:01,350
So I could support moving forward with all three concepts.

930
01:24:02,730 --> 01:24:03,210
Mayor.

931
01:24:03,210 --> 01:24:04,810
I

932
01:24:08,170 --> 01:24:18,890
would like to know if anybody could say with any sort of authority how if concept plan number

933
01:24:18,890 --> 01:24:25,570
three were approved or were the one that was made went through with how what effect does

934
01:24:27,650 --> 01:24:36,030
this business, this convenience store gas station have on those other businesses who are

935
01:24:36,030 --> 01:24:44,030
talking dog by those paths, is whoever's first, does that influence whoever comes afterwards?

936
01:24:46,260 --> 01:24:47,340
Because my question, you know what I'm saying?

937
01:24:47,380 --> 01:24:48,860
It's an interesting, okay.

938
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:52,480
Mr. Deffy, can you comment on that?

939
01:24:53,060 --> 01:24:59,060
Because I'd like to have some high quality grand businesses in this development, you know,

940
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,700
some really, you know, good stuff.

941
01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:15,860
Yes, and if I understand the question, you're looking for, I mean, there are no guarantees in terms of development.

942
01:25:16,500 --> 01:25:21,780
But where I can tell you, based on my experience and based on my conversations with the Greens group,

943
01:25:22,100 --> 01:25:29,080
the strategy in which you're using is to have that first user and then bring in after going, after going to several

944
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:36,540
a convention, shopping center, conventions, it's always important to have, you know, that one

945
01:25:36,540 --> 01:25:42,280
care for the other developers. And it's, you know, we were at the conference the other

946
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:52,280
day and we saw that happening tonight is once you get the one person to step out there. And

947
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:58,140
this is the one business to say this center is a good center. And if it's a national brand,

948
01:25:58,140 --> 01:26:18,080
Then you have them follow. If you ever go to a shopping center, if you go to a Walmart, when I was doing development and other cities, I mean people didn't like Walmart, but I said, you have to look beyond that. When you go to Walmart, there's always feeder stores around around them.

949
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:33,240
So if you go to right now, what I see when I go to Corona, I see a state of brothers, an auto zone, I see a Miguel's, and then I see what I'm hoping, I just referenced what's happening here,

950
01:26:33,480 --> 01:26:38,580
then I see Chipotle and Carl's Junior's and other places around those centers.

951
01:26:38,980 --> 01:26:47,200
And so what you have here is that when you get a national brand, and whoever that national brand is, they've got a model that says,

952
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:51,380
these customers congregate in this particular area.

953
01:26:52,240 --> 01:27:01,840
And so depending on who the national brand is, you're going to have that synergy developed

954
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:02,500
there.

955
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:13,200
Yeah, but what kind of business would, I mean, does the first business end influence the

956
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:15,000
the rest of the businesses that come in.

957
01:27:15,260 --> 01:27:16,420
I mean, you understand what I'm saying.

958
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:18,220
I mean, does it,

959
01:27:20,770 --> 01:27:27,490
it's about, there's no guarantee of what it's really about relationships

960
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:30,270
and it's about the business model.

961
01:27:31,650 --> 01:27:39,610
I can tell you, based on the tax revenue, every business type and what the value is going

962
01:27:39,610 --> 01:27:40,050
to be.

963
01:27:40,470 --> 01:27:42,570
That same model is run by the Greens Group.

964
01:27:42,570 --> 01:27:51,830
They have a relationship with he just told you that his first deal in Riverside was in an

965
01:27:51,830 --> 01:27:59,470
outburger and so part of this whole process for me was this project I was marketing this

966
01:27:59,470 --> 01:28:06,510
project three years ago going from shop to shop to shop to shop and then I got smart and

967
01:28:06,510 --> 01:28:10,370
said wait a minute the really get a developer to do because they've got the relationships

968
01:28:10,370 --> 01:28:20,030
And so, what you'll see happen is that once you get the national chain in, then you'll get the others to follow.

969
01:28:21,070 --> 01:28:25,070
Okay, so I'm thinking about the newest developments around us.

970
01:28:25,070 --> 01:28:28,850
I'm going to think about the ones in redlands, you know, like over there where the sprouts is.

971
01:28:29,050 --> 01:28:30,450
There's not a gas station there.

972
01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:32,370
And I'm going to think about, there's a...

973
01:28:33,190 --> 01:28:34,150
Let's see.

974
01:28:34,610 --> 01:28:36,250
No, and there's not a gas station at that.

975
01:28:36,270 --> 01:28:37,630
I don't, you know.

976
01:28:40,030 --> 01:28:44,370
And that's because, you know, in Reglins, they do have that density.

977
01:28:44,910 --> 01:28:49,150
And one of the things that people will need to understand about grand terrace in terms of the development.

978
01:28:49,650 --> 01:28:56,270
People see grand terrace as 12,000 population, there's three square miles.

979
01:28:56,970 --> 01:29:02,290
And so we have a retail capacity of about $65 million in a one mile radius.

980
01:29:02,770 --> 01:29:07,190
But that number jumps to $250 million when you go to three mile radius.

981
01:29:07,190 --> 01:29:09,610
The number jumps to at a five-mile radius.

982
01:29:09,630 --> 01:29:12,850
That number jumps to $1.6 billion.

983
01:29:13,630 --> 01:29:17,190
And if you look at around us, how many shoppers

984
01:29:17,190 --> 01:29:19,630
that we have right now in this general area?

985
01:29:20,290 --> 01:29:25,690
That shop in the nearest biggest section of shopping

986
01:29:25,690 --> 01:29:27,530
centers is San Bernardino.

987
01:29:28,150 --> 01:29:32,490
And most of the residents in grand terrace, high-grove,

988
01:29:32,730 --> 01:29:35,710
Loma Lenda will not cross the two-tim freeway

989
01:29:35,710 --> 01:29:36,650
to go over there.

990
01:29:36,650 --> 01:29:38,930
So they're going much further away.

991
01:29:39,210 --> 01:29:45,210
And so we have a retail sales leakage that shows that we have this five-mile capacity,

992
01:29:45,570 --> 01:29:49,710
where Barton Road could be the center of commerce for the area.

993
01:29:50,270 --> 01:29:55,490
And so by this center, it should be the catalyst to do and just that.

994
01:29:55,710 --> 01:29:59,970
So the first one at is going to make it, is going to make it a really big...

995
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:01,000
Real big impact.

996
01:30:03,580 --> 01:30:16,800
I think what Councilmember Allen is saying is if the first one in is a gas station, does that mean that the rest that follow aren't as big a name, as they might be if you started with something other than a gas station?

997
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:25,000
Well, I think what you really have, it's a very good question, but

998
01:30:27,780 --> 01:30:38,280
the Greens group and any developer that is going to look at grand terrace, they're looking at the first thing is they're looking at the median household income.

999
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:49,520
So people want to go trade or Joe's, trade or Joe's will not come to grand terrace because trade or Joe's needs, 105, 100,000 dollars median income.

1000
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:56,120
Although ours is good at 69,000, they will not come into the area that you have a really dense population.

1001
01:30:57,060 --> 01:31:02,240
And so, I've talked to multiple developers.

1002
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:06,040
If the first one's fuel, what you're going to have there is this.

1003
01:31:06,460 --> 01:31:14,340
Fuel isn't the caveat, but the driving factors of cars coming in is going to increase.

1004
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,080
So fuel becomes the destination point,

1005
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:20,580
But then you have all these other amenities and that's what happens.

1006
01:31:21,540 --> 01:31:25,460
So, you know, if you had a trader Joe's come in, that would be great.

1007
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:27,860
Then you would get lots of other activity around it.

1008
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:29,320
You have a fuel station come in.

1009
01:31:29,440 --> 01:31:33,380
And it's not because of the fuel, it's because of the traffic that's driving into the fuel station.

1010
01:31:33,700 --> 01:31:39,220
And that's going to generate the other restaurants and the fast food places and so on and so on.

1011
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:41,700
And so the developers can tell you more about this.

1012
01:31:41,700 --> 01:31:47,980
But my experience has been, is that they've got a model that they've built in.

1013
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:56,880
And it's so very important to have a successful developer who has a list of clients that

1014
01:31:56,880 --> 01:32:02,060
they've worked for, that they're going to be able to build a good development, have a reputation,

1015
01:32:02,660 --> 01:32:04,800
and they're going to be able to offer quality product.

1016
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:06,660
And that's really what this is about.

1017
01:32:06,660 --> 01:32:18,260
And what they're saying is that based upon fuel, they can take a contract from fuel and be able to jump start the project.

1018
01:32:18,900 --> 01:32:21,160
That's the overall bill.

1019
01:32:21,900 --> 01:32:24,040
But I do want to say this to the Council.

1020
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:30,540
Either the Councils may know the comments what their preferences are.

1021
01:32:30,540 --> 01:32:44,020
And so while the Greens' group would have the flexibility to look at fuel, I think the Greens' group is wise enough to understand what the Council has said here today.

1022
01:32:50,360 --> 01:32:50,980
Thank you, Mr. Duffy.

1023
01:32:52,480 --> 01:32:53,380
Council Member Hezzy.

1024
01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:56,500
It's one more quick comment for the residents.

1025
01:32:57,860 --> 01:33:00,660
Like the mayor, so this is a concept as a beginning of the plans.

1026
01:33:02,060 --> 01:33:06,540
And get involved, get involved with playing commission meetings, get involved with your voice.

1027
01:33:06,820 --> 01:33:10,600
You know, I was part of the residents that helped with the high school and stuff.

1028
01:33:10,780 --> 01:33:11,140
I feel that.

1029
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:12,120
So your voice matters.

1030
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:15,360
The Greens group, they said they'll work with the residents.

1031
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:16,240
So you don't get involved.

1032
01:33:16,440 --> 01:33:18,300
Tell about your concerns with the Reed Street.

1033
01:33:18,540 --> 01:33:22,720
You know, ask if about the multi-family that they could not put windows on one side.

1034
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:23,520
So that's up to you.

1035
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:24,780
You guys get involved with playing commission.

1036
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:26,080
So it gets back to us.

1037
01:33:26,620 --> 01:33:28,340
But, you know, let your voice be heard on that.

1038
01:33:28,340 --> 01:33:37,620
If the mayor said this concept were the beginning stage of the plan, so that's all I have to say there, thank you.

1039
01:33:37,980 --> 01:33:40,560
All right, how would you like to move forward with this item then?

1040
01:33:41,460 --> 01:33:45,220
Madam Mayor, I make a recommendation to approve the concept plans.

1041
01:33:45,440 --> 01:33:54,100
I was by the Greens group for development of 2217, 22293 and 22273 Barton Road,

1042
01:33:54,100 --> 01:33:57,940
subject to an accordance with the executed agreement from the person's sale of real

1043
01:33:57,940 --> 01:34:02,320
poverty, and join us through instructions between the city, rent tariffs, and the Greens

1044
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:08,160
group, or provide other directions regarding the proposed concept plans, and direct city

1045
01:34:08,160 --> 01:34:12,580
managers who are approving those of the select and concept plans to the Greens group.

1046
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:13,260
Second.

1047
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:18,580
All right, so you're motioning for any of the three concepts?

1048
01:34:18,660 --> 01:34:19,100
All three.

1049
01:34:20,440 --> 01:34:20,460
Okay.

1050
01:34:20,460 --> 01:34:26,320
And, okay, so motion by Councilmember Allen, second by Mayor Pro Tem Wilson, please vote.

1051
01:34:28,690 --> 01:34:35,250
Motion passes with Councilmember's Allen and has he voting yes, Mayor Pro Tem Wilson voting yes, and Mayor McNobo voting yes.

1052
01:34:35,490 --> 01:34:36,650
All right, thank you all for your discussion.

1053
01:34:37,110 --> 01:34:38,650
Thank you to all of you who came out tonight.

1054
01:34:39,250 --> 01:34:41,050
You know who the developers are.

1055
01:34:41,210 --> 01:34:46,830
They promised to work with the neighbors, and I will take them at their word that they will do that.

1056
01:34:46,910 --> 01:34:48,250
Thank you very much.

1057
01:34:48,250 --> 01:34:52,030
We're going to item nine, which is a award of contract for signal modification.

1058
01:34:53,470 --> 01:34:59,550
Project at Preston Street in Barton Road in an amount not to exceed $82,000.

1059
01:35:01,510 --> 01:35:08,210
Mr. City Attorney, I believe we looked at this particular project once before, and I am beyond 500 feet.

1060
01:35:10,990 --> 01:35:12,890
Shall I stay? Or shall I go?

1061
01:35:15,810 --> 01:35:19,030
I think we, we determined you could stay.

1062
01:35:19,430 --> 01:35:19,450
All right.

1063
01:35:19,490 --> 01:35:19,910
If I recall.

1064
01:35:20,790 --> 01:35:20,810
Okay.

1065
01:35:21,330 --> 01:35:25,710
For the record, I live on Preston Street just beyond 500 feet from this particular project.

1066
01:35:26,530 --> 01:35:27,230
All right.

1067
01:35:28,490 --> 01:35:32,630
So we have before us Public Works Director, Alan French.

1068
01:35:33,650 --> 01:35:34,650
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1069
01:35:34,950 --> 01:35:35,330
Good evening.

1070
01:35:35,910 --> 01:35:41,990
Council members, here to present this item of the contract for the signal modification for

1071
01:35:41,990 --> 01:35:43,830
question in Martin Road.

1072
01:35:44,850 --> 01:35:50,350
Decide of support staff, I'm sorry, the staff item of support school is 2030 gold number

1073
01:35:50,350 --> 01:35:56,270
two to maintain public safety by investing in critical improvements to the infrastructure

1074
01:35:56,910 --> 01:35:59,990
and it's on the department's priority project list.

1075
01:36:03,180 --> 01:36:09,660
This project is to upgrade the traffic signal at Preston and Martin with a five-head left

1076
01:36:09,660 --> 01:36:15,380
The current signal indicator that will be added to increase the safety for the turning

1077
01:36:15,380 --> 01:36:16,160
movements.

1078
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:22,640
In the slide, that's a replica of a five-head indicator.

1079
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:31,880
This will be installed on Barton Road section for the left turn on depressed.

1080
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:40,880
The project also replaces the controller that was damaged earlier this year, with an

1081
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:42,980
accident that happened at the intersection.

1082
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:53,600
Funding for the project will come from the Spring Mountain Ranch mitigation fund balance

1083
01:36:54,270 --> 01:37:00,700
and also the reimbursement that we received from the accident to replace the controller cabinet

1084
01:37:00,700 --> 01:37:01,560
on Preston.

1085
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:08,600
The traffic study for the Spring Mountain Ranch Project determined that about 5% of traffic

1086
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:16,260
would be going through that intersection, so we would utilize approximately 5% of the

1087
01:37:16,260 --> 01:37:23,820
fund balance from that mitigation to pay for the project, as well as the reimbursement

1088
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:26,340
that we received from the traffic accident.

1089
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:44,120
The project and you can see there's a slide of the accident and then in the lower right-hand corner is the existing signal at pressed and you can see there is no left turn indicators on the signal today.

1090
01:37:44,120 --> 01:37:59,120
The project was reviewed and supported by two traffic consultants that reviewed the site and both recommended to upgrade the subgrade for the signal that it would be the best solution at this time.

1091
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:14,120
As concluding, staff is recommending the Council authorizes the City Manager to execute the agreement with TSR for 82,000 for the signal modification at Preston Barton.

1092
01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:24,980
Should the Council have any questions at this time, I'm here to am happy to answer any questions and Gabriel Sepuritan from TSR is also here.

1093
01:38:25,700 --> 01:38:27,100
Thank you.

1094
01:38:27,100 --> 01:38:31,320
Thank you, director French, questions of staff at this time.

1095
01:38:32,460 --> 01:38:33,200
Councilmember Allen.

1096
01:38:34,940 --> 01:38:37,680
Thank you, director French for your report.

1097
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:43,460
Is that a dedicated light turnling in both, on from Barton, both directions on Preston?

1098
01:38:43,900 --> 01:38:45,680
Yes, Councilman, it sure is a deputy.

1099
01:38:48,390 --> 01:38:49,290
Mayor Pro Tem Wilson.

1100
01:38:49,630 --> 01:38:53,130
Mr. French, is this going to be the solution to the long-term

1101
01:38:53,130 --> 01:38:56,130
to difficulties that everybody's experienced

1102
01:38:56,130 --> 01:38:59,730
with the timing on this lovely stop, too.

1103
01:39:01,490 --> 01:39:05,050
Councilman, there was timing issue after the accident

1104
01:39:05,050 --> 01:39:07,290
for a long period of time,

1105
01:39:07,450 --> 01:39:10,370
where it was on time to phase, facing,

1106
01:39:10,770 --> 01:39:12,250
where it only went, a certain time,

1107
01:39:12,350 --> 01:39:13,090
and then it would change.

1108
01:39:13,510 --> 01:39:16,210
That has since been changed to the indicator,

1109
01:39:17,010 --> 01:39:19,070
so that that should have corrected the issue,

1110
01:39:19,790 --> 01:39:21,490
and this wouldn't affect that.

1111
01:39:23,130 --> 01:39:25,810
Director French, there was a timing issue before the accident.

1112
01:39:27,490 --> 01:39:30,430
I don't believe that anybody ever looked at that intersection.

1113
01:39:30,610 --> 01:39:34,630
I believe that led to a lot of people running that intersection light,

1114
01:39:34,690 --> 01:39:39,170
even if it was red, especially people coming from both sides of Preston,

1115
01:39:39,630 --> 01:39:44,330
because they felt that they had a very long time to wait when there was no traffic coming on Barton Road.

1116
01:39:45,470 --> 01:39:51,550
I'm also hoping there's an opportunity for you to make sure that this is looked at periodically

1117
01:39:51,550 --> 01:39:59,510
for timing issues and that if there is a left turn that certain times of the day it doesn't

1118
01:39:59,510 --> 01:40:06,530
engage so that people are able to make a left turn without having to have the arrow or not

1119
01:40:06,530 --> 01:40:10,270
have to wait for it when there isn't anybody that needs to turn.

1120
01:40:13,450 --> 01:40:15,270
Are you able to do that?

1121
01:40:17,070 --> 01:40:17,350
Yes.

1122
01:40:19,410 --> 01:40:23,470
The five-point signal head.

1123
01:40:24,090 --> 01:40:26,190
Okay, so can you tell me about the cost of this?

1124
01:40:26,550 --> 01:40:29,670
Why is it $82,000?

1125
01:40:30,790 --> 01:40:31,010
Okay,

1126
01:40:33,490 --> 01:40:40,250
the signal modification for the left turn in addition to the control

1127
01:40:40,250 --> 01:40:46,170
All are cabinet, all combined is the cost of the 82,000.

1128
01:40:46,930 --> 01:40:54,570
So there's two components to the project, and it involves, there's rewiring in the signal

1129
01:40:54,570 --> 01:40:59,450
that's needed for the left turn, especially because it isn't there now.

1130
01:41:00,030 --> 01:41:06,850
So that's a major part of the cost to get the wiring in and the controller cabinet to be installed

1131
01:41:06,850 --> 01:41:08,950
with the equipment inside the cabinet as well.

1132
01:41:08,950 --> 01:41:10,690
That's not just the cabinet itself.

1133
01:41:13,740 --> 01:41:14,600
OK, thank you.

1134
01:41:14,740 --> 01:41:15,260
Further questions?

1135
01:41:16,580 --> 01:41:16,600
Right.

1136
01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:18,580
Are there any requests to speak on this item?

1137
01:41:18,780 --> 01:41:19,440
No, Madam Mayor.

1138
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:20,040
All right.

1139
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:21,820
Close public comment, bring it back to Council

1140
01:41:21,820 --> 01:41:23,200
for consideration of emotion.

1141
01:41:25,780 --> 01:41:27,380
I'd like to make a motion that we award

1142
01:41:27,380 --> 01:41:29,740
a construction contract to TSR construction,

1143
01:41:29,940 --> 01:41:30,980
and especially for traffic.

1144
01:41:31,620 --> 01:41:33,040
Signal modification project

1145
01:41:33,040 --> 01:41:34,360
to press and street in part and road,

1146
01:41:34,620 --> 01:41:35,740
and amount not to exceed it.

1147
01:41:35,740 --> 01:41:38,400
You do grant and appropriate funding

1148
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:40,040
for project from Spring Mountain Ranch,

1149
01:41:40,040 --> 01:41:45,500
fund and insurance, settlement is listed below, and authorize city managed to execute contract

1150
01:41:45,500 --> 01:41:49,280
72, city attorney approval, last two form.

1151
01:41:50,980 --> 01:41:54,700
Motion by Mayor Pro Tem Wilson, second by Council Member Hussie.

1152
01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:55,700
Please vote.

1153
01:41:57,520 --> 01:42:00,500
Motion passes with Council Members Allen and Hussie voting yes.

1154
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:02,240
Mayor Pro Tem Wilson voting yes.

1155
01:42:02,300 --> 01:42:03,980
And Mayor Mack no vote voting yes.

1156
01:42:06,630 --> 01:42:06,730
All right.

1157
01:42:06,930 --> 01:42:11,030
Item 10 is a discussion and direction regarding regulation of 24 hour uses.

1158
01:42:11,950 --> 01:42:18,810
operations, businesses in Grand Terrace, director, Sandra Molina.

1159
01:42:21,030 --> 01:42:22,950
Thank you, Madam Mayor. Members of the City Council.

1160
01:42:24,670 --> 01:42:26,410
It's indicated by the mayor. This is a discussion item.

1161
01:42:27,110 --> 01:42:31,010
This item is consistent with our 2030 vision statement.

1162
01:42:32,630 --> 01:42:34,770
I'll go ahead and move forward with the rest of the presentation.

1163
01:42:34,770 --> 01:42:36,570
So to get some background,

1164
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:42,880
city staff took a discussion to our city, excuse me, to our planning

1165
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:45,560
commission and back on September 5th.

1166
01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:53,620
And the reason why we, to discuss 24-hour operations and whether uses particularly entertainment

1167
01:42:53,620 --> 01:43:02,380
type uses, restaurants, bars, and those type of uses, whether, if they're proposed to be 24-hours,

1168
01:43:02,480 --> 01:43:05,340
whether they should be subject to administrative conditionally, use permit, or excuse me,

1169
01:43:05,340 --> 01:43:10,380
or some other permit, or not regulated at all with regard to their operating hours.

1170
01:43:11,460 --> 01:43:18,240
This came about because staff does have a request for 25-hour uses.

1171
01:43:19,020 --> 01:43:21,180
One is in a proposed new business.

1172
01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:23,140
It's like a cafe-t house.

1173
01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:27,200
The business owner that's proposing that is also the owner Cosromen.

1174
01:43:27,440 --> 01:43:30,540
Cosromen recently went to 24 hours.

1175
01:43:30,540 --> 01:43:35,920
And so we found that our zoning code and specific plan,

1176
01:43:36,040 --> 01:43:38,920
Martin wrote specific plan, our silent on 24-hour uses.

1177
01:43:39,540 --> 01:43:42,940
Now the basis, the restaurant use, those are addressed

1178
01:43:42,940 --> 01:43:47,020
and those are permissible but operational aspects

1179
01:43:47,020 --> 01:43:48,400
aren't really addressed.

1180
01:43:49,140 --> 01:43:50,660
And the type of operational aspects

1181
01:43:50,660 --> 01:43:53,060
that can sometimes come about on a 24-hour use

1182
01:43:53,060 --> 01:43:56,540
might be noise or litter or lighting or security needs.

1183
01:43:56,540 --> 01:44:03,620
And so because of those aspects of the operation of 24-hour uses,

1184
01:44:04,220 --> 01:44:06,160
we did take the discussion to planning commission.

1185
01:44:06,680 --> 01:44:10,400
And we asked the planning commission to look at or consider the three items

1186
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:11,460
up on the slide here.

1187
01:44:11,540 --> 01:44:15,200
One is to, first of course, to consider the item,

1188
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:19,340
but to either recommend that 24-hour uses,

1189
01:44:19,480 --> 01:44:22,940
so it has restaurants, bars, fast food, other entertainment uses,

1190
01:44:23,060 --> 01:44:24,600
are submitted to a conditional use permit,

1191
01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:28,200
and then direct staff for that recommendation to the city council.

1192
01:44:29,820 --> 01:44:31,980
They could also find that, or recommend that,

1193
01:44:32,100 --> 01:44:34,240
24 are uses don't require a conditionally,

1194
01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:36,180
and we would again direct that to the council.

1195
01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:39,840
And then ultimately the other option was for the planning commission

1196
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:42,780
to say, you know, this is a big broad policy issue,

1197
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:44,420
direct to the council first.

1198
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:49,000
The planning commission, in having this discussion

1199
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:52,560
and taking public comment,

1200
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:53,100
It's

1201
01:44:55,570 --> 01:44:59,970
on the slides not working, um, they-

1202
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:11,020
Had the residents expressed concern about 24-hour uses with regard to littering and possibly traffic, but also the business owner of

1203
01:45:11,020 --> 01:45:28,560
Kazuram and Mr. Quorumita, he also spoke about having 24-hour use and the customer that he has. A lot of these customers come from maybe Lomalinda, the medical use, and so they're looking for a place to go during those non-traditional operating hours.

1204
01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:34,300
And then also, a lot of his business, whose patrons are construction folks that are working

1205
01:45:34,300 --> 01:45:40,180
on, are nearby freeways, and they're doing, you know, 24 hours, or that graveyard ship,

1206
01:45:40,220 --> 01:45:40,720
so to speak.

1207
01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:45,900
And so they also are a big component of his business.

1208
01:45:46,180 --> 01:45:50,400
And so the commission also considered that discussion.

1209
01:45:51,860 --> 01:45:57,460
Ultimately, what the planning commission did was recommend that 24-hour uses should be subject

1210
01:45:57,460 --> 01:46:02,640
to a conditional use permit and I apologize that's hard to read, but the commission was very

1211
01:46:02,640 --> 01:46:07,220
cognizant of the cost of the standard conditional use permit and they recommended it

1212
01:46:07,220 --> 01:46:08,380
in a administrative way.

1213
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:18,220
And so today we're bringing to the council commission's recommendation, but the city council

1214
01:46:18,220 --> 01:46:26,500
also, again as part of this discussion, can in their consideration determine that the CEP is not

1215
01:46:26,500 --> 01:46:32,300
appropriate for 24 hour uses, or they can agree with the planning commission and direct

1216
01:46:32,300 --> 01:46:37,640
the staff to make the necessary changes. What's in the staff report for the City Council

1217
01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:44,840
was subsequent to the planning commission's discussion, there was another option that was proposed

1218
01:46:44,840 --> 01:46:50,660
and that is a business permit requirement for 24 hour uses. And so that does not become

1219
01:46:50,660 --> 01:46:57,740
The zoning application, but it's more use application, and our municipal code does have business

1220
01:46:57,740 --> 01:47:04,120
permits for certain type of uses, such as for billiards, and that was an example that

1221
01:47:04,120 --> 01:47:09,880
was put in the staff report. Later this evening, the council is going to consider a second-hand

1222
01:47:09,880 --> 01:47:15,360
dealer permit, or junk dealer permit. That's under Title V, that's a business permit as

1223
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:22,420
So that's also an option for the council to consider in lieu of a conditional use permit and in this

1224
01:47:23,260 --> 01:47:25,860
This is in the staff report, but this is just a table

1225
01:47:26,420 --> 01:47:34,560
The biggest difference between the two is again once once based on zoning one isn't the review authority for a CEP is the planning commission for business permit

1226
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:43,440
That comes to city council. It's not part of the commission's purview and they're very similar in that that those permits can be reviewed

1227
01:47:45,680 --> 01:47:50,340
when it's determined that perhaps they're not operating in conformance with those permits.

1228
01:47:51,820 --> 01:47:55,900
And they can both be subject. We'll see a PSWT revocation if it gets to that point.

1229
01:47:56,540 --> 01:47:59,620
Business permit can also be written that way, subject to revocation.

1230
01:48:00,180 --> 01:48:04,500
And then after that, should the business continue to operate, then that would be a code case.

1231
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:11,480
And so, although these are very similar, one is, oh, you can land use type of permit and the other one is not.

1232
01:48:12,820 --> 01:48:20,540
And so, with that, we would ask that the City Council discuss the site on whether 24-hour

1233
01:48:20,540 --> 01:48:26,580
uses should be regulated and consider these different alternatives or others and direct

1234
01:48:26,580 --> 01:48:27,240
us accordingly.

1235
01:48:29,200 --> 01:48:29,940
Thank you.

1236
01:48:30,280 --> 01:48:30,660
Thank you.

1237
01:48:30,940 --> 01:48:31,340
Director Molina.

1238
01:48:31,500 --> 01:48:33,500
Are there questions of staff at this time?

1239
01:48:34,780 --> 01:48:35,580
Mayor Pro Tem Wilson.

1240
01:48:36,100 --> 01:48:41,640
Director Molina, could you describe for us how it administrative conditionally use permit

1241
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:43,340
the process would work?

1242
01:48:44,140 --> 01:48:44,960
Yes, Mayor Protem.

1243
01:48:46,940 --> 01:48:48,980
So the Administrative Conditional Use Permette

1244
01:48:48,980 --> 01:48:54,340
is a provision in our zoning code that if a business is

1245
01:48:54,860 --> 01:48:58,360
going to occupy space that's 2,000 square feet or less,

1246
01:48:58,720 --> 01:49:01,240
then it qualifies for administrative conditional use permette.

1247
01:49:01,680 --> 01:49:04,920
If the business occupies a site that's greater than 2,000 square feet,

1248
01:49:04,940 --> 01:49:08,280
or 2,000 greater, then it's the standard conditional use permette.

1249
01:49:09,040 --> 01:49:14,020
Most of the businesses that we see are occupying spaces less than 2,000 square feet.

1250
01:49:15,740 --> 01:49:22,580
The other difference is that administrative, it's reviewed at staff level, and standard

1251
01:49:22,580 --> 01:49:24,800
goes to planning commission and have noticed public hearing.

1252
01:49:24,940 --> 01:49:30,300
And so the cost of the different standard condition they use permit to hearing is a $2,400

1253
01:49:30,300 --> 01:49:35,140
application whereas a administrative CUP is a $620 application.

1254
01:49:35,140 --> 01:49:43,640
Do you think it would be possible for us to, or would you recommend, in a sense, for 24

1255
01:49:43,640 --> 01:49:52,940
hour used to be added to the 2000 square foot ceiling on the administrative CUP, and

1256
01:49:52,940 --> 01:49:56,900
see that that would work in place of a full on CUP?

1257
01:49:59,910 --> 01:50:01,970
I apologize, Mayor Pertil Wilson.

1258
01:50:01,970 --> 01:50:04,190
I didn't understand the first half of that question.

1259
01:50:05,390 --> 01:50:15,930
At this point, we explained that the ceiling on an administrative CEP is up to 2,000 square feet of livable or usable.

1260
01:50:17,770 --> 01:50:30,590
Excuse me, because 24-hour use is kind of a gray area, would it be possible for us to amend or would it be desirable for us to amend?

1261
01:50:30,590 --> 01:50:38,630
are administrative CUP process to include 24-hour uses?

1262
01:50:39,350 --> 01:50:43,150
I see, because this is not a zoning issue per se,

1263
01:50:43,330 --> 01:50:46,130
but more of an operational issue than to amend our code

1264
01:50:46,130 --> 01:50:49,270
to say a 24-hour uses administrative CUP.

1265
01:50:49,670 --> 01:50:51,590
We could, if that's the desire to cancel amend

1266
01:50:51,590 --> 01:50:53,730
or excuse me, our code.

1267
01:50:54,850 --> 01:50:57,490
And I'll let the city turn you also chime in on that.

1268
01:50:57,570 --> 01:50:58,970
Thank you.

1269
01:50:59,590 --> 01:51:00,850
Mr. City Attorney?

1270
01:51:01,070 --> 01:51:02,370
Nothing to chime in at this point.

1271
01:51:03,010 --> 01:51:04,330
You did a good job, Director Molina.

1272
01:51:05,330 --> 01:51:05,990
Councilmember Allen.

1273
01:51:08,110 --> 01:51:10,450
Well, as I was reading a second about this,

1274
01:51:11,230 --> 01:51:13,450
and then in my discussions, you know,

1275
01:51:13,910 --> 01:51:16,550
and learning more about it,

1276
01:51:17,710 --> 01:51:21,570
it seems like since this is not a land use issue,

1277
01:51:21,710 --> 01:51:24,730
which is what the CUP's before, perhaps the business permit

1278
01:51:24,730 --> 01:51:26,350
might be the right way to go with it,

1279
01:51:26,350 --> 01:51:31,730
or a more, either maybe less complicated, I don't know,

1280
01:51:31,870 --> 01:51:33,470
maybe it affects and less complicated,

1281
01:51:34,190 --> 01:51:36,010
but I think it would provide the control

1282
01:51:36,010 --> 01:51:37,270
that we're looking for.

1283
01:51:39,340 --> 01:51:41,280
I have a question before you answer that.

1284
01:51:42,620 --> 01:51:46,000
You can answer that as part of this answer.

1285
01:51:46,980 --> 01:51:49,740
When we have a gas station coming to town,

1286
01:51:50,620 --> 01:51:52,360
is there a different kind of requirement

1287
01:51:52,360 --> 01:51:57,840
with their business permit than there is with other business

1288
01:51:57,840 --> 01:51:58,680
is the coming.

1289
01:52:02,570 --> 01:52:08,470
With regard to the 24-hour aspect, again, our codes don't address the operational

1290
01:52:08,470 --> 01:52:17,050
aspect of a gas station or another use being 24 hours. Gas stations fall back under the

1291
01:52:17,050 --> 01:52:25,750
base zoning. Okay, but our gas stations are 24 hours. Our gas stations here in town currently are

1292
01:52:25,750 --> 01:52:28,250
24 hours. And so

1293
01:52:30,740 --> 01:52:35,140
we do we ask them when they come in. These gas stations, I know they've

1294
01:52:35,140 --> 01:52:38,600
been there for a while. Do we ask if they're going to operate 24 hours? Because there are

1295
01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:41,560
places where gas stations do not operate 24 hours.

1296
01:52:43,140 --> 01:52:47,000
You are correct, Mayor, that these stations do predate,

1297
01:52:49,200 --> 01:52:52,720
but we don't. We may ask, for instance,

1298
01:52:52,720 --> 01:52:55,480
We've asked our fast food uses, whether they operate 24 hours.

1299
01:52:56,240 --> 01:53:00,240
For us, the difference between a gas station

1300
01:53:00,240 --> 01:53:04,220
is typically they, because they're 24 hours, they are

1301
01:53:04,220 --> 01:53:05,860
already addressing those security concerns.

1302
01:53:05,940 --> 01:53:07,820
Because gas stations, you have a lot of drive-thru traffic,

1303
01:53:07,980 --> 01:53:09,500
so they're addressing the security concerns.

1304
01:53:10,260 --> 01:53:11,720
They have lighting already in place.

1305
01:53:11,860 --> 01:53:14,280
They're taking care of those type of issues

1306
01:53:14,280 --> 01:53:18,740
where perhaps a restaurant or a bar or something like that.

1307
01:53:19,200 --> 01:53:21,640
They may have security issues, but they may not be addressing them

1308
01:53:21,640 --> 01:53:24,360
unless they're as part of the CUP of business permit,

1309
01:53:24,580 --> 01:53:25,540
ask to address them.

1310
01:53:25,980 --> 01:53:28,100
So that would be one difference.

1311
01:53:30,340 --> 01:53:34,060
Well, that is a specific concern, my or what she was just mentioning

1312
01:53:34,060 --> 01:53:39,440
is, because I know that had done it Cosrom and at the parking lot at

1313
01:53:39,440 --> 01:53:41,820
NIA, it's not live, but he's open.

1314
01:53:42,320 --> 01:53:46,640
And then has been mentioned to me personally about that.

1315
01:53:47,800 --> 01:53:51,040
So lighting and security, and that sort of thing with 24 businesses,

1316
01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:57,040
When the business owner is not the property owner, you know, trying to, you know, make sure that

1317
01:53:57,700 --> 01:54:00,560
how is is that going to be addressed.

1318
01:54:01,420 --> 01:54:07,300
And I also would like to know how much a business permit cost has opposed to the, I know the admin

1319
01:54:08,300 --> 01:54:12,020
CUP620 or 640, I think, no 620.

1320
01:54:12,680 --> 01:54:17,180
A business permit based on the, is it cost vary on those?

1321
01:54:17,820 --> 01:54:24,880
So, I'll let me answer that Council Member Allen in response to your other question as well.

1322
01:54:29,470 --> 01:54:30,890
So, from a staff perspective,

1323
01:54:33,070 --> 01:54:36,530
from a, how we implement the Council's desire, for instance,

1324
01:54:36,610 --> 01:54:42,690
that the Council says that she'd be administrative conditional use permit, and that's a very simple amendment to our code.

1325
01:54:43,090 --> 01:54:48,730
If the Council directs staff to establish a business permit process,

1326
01:54:48,730 --> 01:54:50,510
than that's a different change.

1327
01:54:51,470 --> 01:54:58,530
We do amend our code, but we have to create the standards for the business permit for 24 hours.

1328
01:54:58,710 --> 01:54:59,830
We don't have any right now.

1329
01:55:00,750 --> 01:55:05,830
So the effort of work is a little bit more, but we're happy to do whatever the council desires.

1330
01:55:06,310 --> 01:55:07,830
Thank you.

1331
01:55:08,030 --> 01:55:08,330
I'm sorry.

1332
01:55:08,430 --> 01:55:09,350
And let me just follow up.

1333
01:55:09,350 --> 01:55:12,130
And there's no fee established just yet for business permit.

1334
01:55:12,730 --> 01:55:13,070
Okay.

1335
01:55:13,530 --> 01:55:14,250
Thank you very much.

1336
01:55:14,910 --> 01:55:16,030
Mr. Defe, you had comment?

1337
01:55:16,030 --> 01:55:16,570
Yes, Mayor.

1338
01:55:16,970 --> 01:55:21,490
Just the point of clarification, and that I think the council should probably, the City

1339
01:55:21,490 --> 01:55:22,910
Attorney should probably weigh in here.

1340
01:55:23,170 --> 01:55:29,890
As we talk about the 24 hour use, I think through my conversation with the City Attorney,

1341
01:55:30,490 --> 01:55:37,910
he referenced that you would be establishing when businesses can open and operate within

1342
01:55:37,910 --> 01:55:39,450
the city, open and close.

1343
01:55:39,450 --> 01:55:48,670
because if you say 24-hour regulations, if someone opens 23, 24 or 22, that's not really

1344
01:55:48,670 --> 01:55:49,430
the issue here.

1345
01:55:49,610 --> 01:55:56,350
The issue is, and I think that the mic opportunity for the city attorney is that how do you

1346
01:55:56,350 --> 01:55:59,330
enforce a 24-hour operation?

1347
01:55:59,330 --> 01:56:04,730
I think that should be a part of your discussion to see how that plays out.

1348
01:56:04,790 --> 01:56:07,790
What measures would the council approve this?

1349
01:56:07,790 --> 01:56:22,770
What measures would they put in place to regulate the 24-hour businesses and that is how do you stop them from operating 24-hour by establishing a time cut off when businesses can operate in the city?

1350
01:56:25,330 --> 01:56:26,370
Councilmember Allen.

1351
01:56:26,870 --> 01:56:28,410
I just want to make sure I understand that.

1352
01:56:28,410 --> 01:56:36,250
So, rather than saying, then stipulating 24-hour business, we would have stipulate a time

1353
01:56:36,250 --> 01:56:41,630
that a business, like midnight 2 a.m., is that what you're saying?

1354
01:56:42,110 --> 01:56:42,510
I'll tell you.

1355
01:56:42,910 --> 01:56:43,170
I'll wait.

1356
01:56:44,050 --> 01:56:44,670
Mr. City Attorney.

1357
01:56:45,050 --> 01:56:46,110
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1358
01:56:46,950 --> 01:56:47,430
To be clear.

1359
01:56:47,630 --> 01:56:52,730
I think the first question is, do we want our businesses to operate 24-hours?

1360
01:56:53,190 --> 01:56:55,370
That's a yes or no proposition.

1361
01:56:55,370 --> 01:56:58,950
and from there, staff and I will work on the language

1362
01:56:59,570 --> 01:57:02,570
to address whatever the policy direction is.

1363
01:57:04,150 --> 01:57:06,930
My currently, does a gas station require a CUP?

1364
01:57:10,930 --> 01:57:12,330
I'm not sure about that.

1365
01:57:12,330 --> 01:57:14,030
It might be triggered with the convenience store.

1366
01:57:14,570 --> 01:57:16,110
Okay, let's assume hypothetically

1367
01:57:16,110 --> 01:57:18,990
that we have a business that will require a CUP to operate.

1368
01:57:19,630 --> 01:57:22,210
One of the conditions of approval in our code existing

1369
01:57:22,210 --> 01:57:26,110
is limits on the hours of operation or duration of approval.

1370
01:57:26,450 --> 01:57:28,570
So we already have, and this goes back to your question,

1371
01:57:28,570 --> 01:57:34,090
can we ask and do we ask and so I would suggest that if we do if it is subject to a

1372
01:57:34,090 --> 01:57:42,190
CUP already we would ask that question and if if the council's policy direction was to

1373
01:57:42,190 --> 01:57:49,610
say we did not want 24 hours or we want operations to cease at 2 a.m. and 6 a.m. in

1374
01:57:49,610 --> 01:57:54,530
the period that that would be incorporated into the code so that's more clear.

1375
01:57:55,490 --> 01:57:58,130
Thank you, Mr. City Attorney. Further questions?

1376
01:58:00,170 --> 01:58:01,850
All right, we'll open up to public comments.

1377
01:58:02,050 --> 01:58:03,710
Are there any requests to speak on this item?

1378
01:58:04,290 --> 01:58:04,950
No, Madam Mayor.

1379
01:58:05,350 --> 01:58:08,210
All right, we'll bring back the council for deliberation and direction.

1380
01:58:10,350 --> 01:58:11,170
Madam Mayor.

1381
01:58:11,810 --> 01:58:12,570
Council member Allen.

1382
01:58:13,330 --> 01:58:17,690
You know, I don't want to, I'm pretty hesitant to try to restrict any business on their efforts to make,

1383
01:58:17,910 --> 01:58:20,590
make my, make my, make my, you know, as am I.

1384
01:58:21,550 --> 01:58:22,650
You know, and for obvious,

1385
01:58:22,650 --> 01:58:32,950
street, but I also understand that the concerns that residents and surrounding areas might have.

1386
01:58:33,610 --> 01:58:43,050
I would like to find a way that we can mitigate our concerns of noise and litter and security

1387
01:58:43,050 --> 01:58:47,370
and the least intrusive and least expensive way possible for our businesses.

1388
01:58:48,050 --> 01:58:50,930
Has this become an issue with our residents?

1389
01:58:50,930 --> 01:58:55,930
is this why it's on the agenda, is this, is there a, is there a, is there a, is there a binah?

1390
01:58:56,690 --> 01:58:58,910
Well, some concerns expressed.

1391
01:59:00,510 --> 01:59:01,250
There's later.

1392
01:59:01,250 --> 01:59:01,410
There's later.

1393
01:59:02,110 --> 01:59:03,190
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1394
01:59:04,930 --> 01:59:10,430
We've had a lot of, we've had, if recent uses that are proposing 24 hours.

1395
01:59:10,530 --> 01:59:14,150
And it's just an area that's not really addressed in our zoning, for instance.

1396
01:59:15,370 --> 01:59:19,130
There is an application for a Taco Bell currently in being processed.

1397
01:59:19,130 --> 01:59:26,230
When they first came in, they wanted to be not 24 hours, but operates like five in the morning,

1398
01:59:27,050 --> 01:59:28,150
which is not 24 hours.

1399
01:59:28,210 --> 01:59:31,410
I think this speaks to maybe the attorney's comment.

1400
01:59:32,570 --> 01:59:37,950
That's not 24 hours, but there's those impacts of noise, it potentially litter,

1401
01:59:38,730 --> 01:59:45,670
and that land use interface, and so they've since then modified those hours, so they're not proposing to operate that late.

1402
01:59:46,270 --> 01:59:50,790
But then we also have cosurometer that's 24 hours and a second business that will be

1403
01:59:50,790 --> 01:59:52,570
proposing to me 24 hours in that same center.

1404
01:59:53,730 --> 01:59:55,330
So we brought the question forward.

1405
01:59:56,110 --> 01:59:57,190
Thank you, Director Molina.

1406
01:59:57,810 --> 01:59:58,350
City manager.

1407
01:59:58,590 --> 01:59:59,470
I'd like to make a comment.

1408
01:59:59,470 --> 01:59:59,970
Yeah, and just...

1409
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:14,000
So just to comment, dovetail in that. The reason why this became an issue is because during our normal development process, when a new business comes in and during construction, they disclose all those things.

1410
02:00:14,380 --> 02:00:20,200
They ask robbery hours, we look at noise, we look at issues, we make sure the lighting's correct and so on and so on.

1411
02:00:20,200 --> 02:00:23,580
It is the case where you have an existing building,

1412
02:00:24,260 --> 02:00:26,260
where you have someone going in like Cos-Raman,

1413
02:00:27,720 --> 02:00:33,040
who can modify the hours without there being that regulation.

1414
02:00:33,800 --> 02:00:35,380
And so that's what's the Cos-Raman.

1415
02:00:35,720 --> 02:00:41,140
It's a thought process of the new Cos-Raman too.

1416
02:00:41,980 --> 02:00:44,620
They're trying to open their little finger food coffee shop.

1417
02:00:45,040 --> 02:00:49,120
And so that's where we don't have any regulation

1418
02:00:49,120 --> 02:00:59,820
And whereas Taco Bell, McDonald's, Miguel's, all of those items, you know, noise, traffic,

1419
02:01:00,720 --> 02:01:05,560
lighting, all of those items were addressed initially when those businesses started.

1420
02:01:06,060 --> 02:01:11,920
So when you have someone going into an existing building, that's where the gap is that

1421
02:01:11,920 --> 02:01:16,100
we don't have someone to say, hey, wait a minute, you just got a bit of business license

1422
02:01:16,100 --> 02:01:17,700
and you determine your own hours.

1423
02:01:17,700 --> 02:01:20,640
And so that's the, there haven't been, I guess we should

1424
02:01:20,640 --> 02:01:24,000
propagate the Lieutenant Wolf's the way in, I don't know

1425
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:31,220
of any issues associated with cause, ramen, having noise

1426
02:01:31,220 --> 02:01:34,920
complaints, I know one of the things when they wanted to do

1427
02:01:34,920 --> 02:01:37,300
their, when we told they were doing their two, they're two

1428
02:01:37,300 --> 02:01:40,140
am in the morning operations, our initial concern was

1429
02:01:40,140 --> 02:01:41,840
hate lighting, security.

1430
02:01:43,000 --> 02:01:47,340
And so I think we addressed those issues when they came in,

1431
02:01:47,340 --> 02:01:48,280
for the original purpose.

1432
02:01:48,620 --> 02:01:51,860
Because they were doing, I guess, turn it into improvements, and that's what we caught them

1433
02:01:51,860 --> 02:01:52,400
in the process.

1434
02:01:53,980 --> 02:01:54,580
Thank you.

1435
02:01:54,800 --> 02:01:55,620
Can I have to remember, Alan?

1436
02:01:58,310 --> 02:02:02,510
I know we keep referencing cause, Ron, and in this discussion, but we have other businesses

1437
02:02:02,510 --> 02:02:08,870
we've talked about that are open 24 hours, and if we want to talk with, I have other concerns,

1438
02:02:09,250 --> 02:02:14,710
the other same concerns would be addressed by Lieutenant Wolf.

1439
02:02:16,400 --> 02:02:22,600
I mean, do those businesses have those same concerns that we have with Cos-Roman, I mean,

1440
02:02:22,700 --> 02:02:25,620
lighting and security are there, they actually have theirs under control?

1441
02:02:26,120 --> 02:02:34,120
Well, I think your current code tries to regulate that because you have some requirements for

1442
02:02:34,120 --> 02:02:41,060
billion rooms and things of that particular nature. So you've got that in there, but this was a unique area that

1443
02:02:43,220 --> 02:02:51,540
We're approaching and I think what staff is trying to do is to be proactive versus having

1444
02:02:51,540 --> 02:02:53,520
to be reactive later on.

1445
02:02:55,180 --> 02:02:55,780
May I have a question?

1446
02:02:58,000 --> 02:03:04,680
As far as I'm concerned, I would support an administrative conditionally use permit

1447
02:03:04,680 --> 02:03:07,540
process for 24 hours of

1448
02:03:18,810 --> 02:03:18,810
use.

1449
02:03:23,790 --> 02:03:29,190
Would that provide the amount of control that you want to have over horrible kind of control

1450
02:03:29,190 --> 02:03:31,810
do you want to have and would that provide it?

1451
02:03:32,570 --> 02:03:37,110
I think it provides that I just the cost of it is what I'm concerned about, Mr. Debbie.

1452
02:03:37,450 --> 02:03:44,370
Well, I think we would need a little more clarity to make sure what we need to include is the part of that process.

1453
02:03:44,370 --> 02:03:47,410
because right now you have gas stations and you said the operating

1454
02:03:47,410 --> 02:03:48,070
two of ours.

1455
02:03:48,610 --> 02:03:55,650
So if we approve of administrative CUP, would we then be asking

1456
02:03:55,650 --> 02:03:58,790
those gas stations now trying to get a CUP?

1457
02:03:59,130 --> 02:04:01,050
Or are we limiting the focus of...

1458
02:04:04,250 --> 02:04:05,230
We're a part-time.

1459
02:04:07,450 --> 02:04:10,550
I think it only be fair to grandfather's those users in.

1460
02:04:13,640 --> 02:04:14,620
That'll be fair if I may.

1461
02:04:14,680 --> 02:04:15,360
It's just a day turn.

1462
02:04:15,360 --> 02:04:24,100
Thank you. That is certainly one option. Another option that I have implemented is to give existing

1463
02:04:24,100 --> 02:04:32,200
operations a grace period of like two years a year, whatever the council directs to come into compliance

1464
02:04:32,200 --> 02:04:40,140
by obtaining the permit. So it's not immediate, but it gives them time to bring their operations

1465
02:04:42,420 --> 02:04:47,520
And so would we look back at the gas station use and see if they already have a CUP that

1466
02:04:47,520 --> 02:04:50,180
addresses the issue and then it wouldn't be required?

1467
02:04:51,240 --> 02:04:53,780
Possibly yes, I mean, I believe that's a director.

1468
02:04:54,500 --> 02:04:56,020
Madam Mayor, we could do that.

1469
02:05:01,170 --> 02:05:04,910
Just as long as we have some kind of paper coverage as opposed in relation to the use,

1470
02:05:05,430 --> 02:05:07,410
those gas stations have been there for a long time.

1471
02:05:08,410 --> 02:05:14,670
I'm reluctant to impose additional requirements and processing on a business that's

1472
02:05:14,670 --> 02:05:23,590
already here in thriving when we're the ones that didn't have an ordinance that actually addressed the issue.

1473
02:05:48,080 --> 02:05:51,820
Mr. Devin, would you like to share your comments?

1474
02:05:52,280 --> 02:06:00,680
Yes, Mayor, I was just asking the city attorney, would it be acceptable if, as part of the council's recommendation,

1475
02:06:01,420 --> 02:06:09,640
that they would say that you require an administrative CUP for any business that doesn't

1476
02:06:09,640 --> 02:06:12,680
have an existing business license in the city.

1477
02:06:13,640 --> 02:06:15,420
It doesn't have an existing business license?

1478
02:06:15,680 --> 02:06:15,980
Right.

1479
02:06:16,420 --> 02:06:20,400
So if a new business came in and one dropped me 24 hours, they would be subject to the administrative

1480
02:06:20,400 --> 02:06:21,340
CUP.

1481
02:06:22,120 --> 02:06:23,200
Mr. City Attorney?

1482
02:06:24,320 --> 02:06:25,420
I have the same concept.

1483
02:06:25,660 --> 02:06:27,340
I don't know if I tied to the business license.

1484
02:06:27,340 --> 02:06:35,840
I just say basically any business existing as of the date of the ordinance, effective date shall be grandfathered in or how everyone says.

1485
02:06:36,080 --> 02:06:36,960
If that's the direction of the house.

1486
02:06:36,960 --> 02:06:39,500
Any business that's currently operating 24 hours.

1487
02:06:39,960 --> 02:06:40,700
That's correct.

1488
02:06:42,000 --> 02:06:42,180
Okay.

1489
02:06:43,440 --> 02:06:44,370
And how will you measure that?

1490
02:06:45,820 --> 02:06:46,740
24 hours?

1491
02:06:48,570 --> 02:06:50,170
We'll have to determine that.

1492
02:06:51,370 --> 02:06:51,750
All right.

1493
02:06:53,170 --> 02:06:53,430
All right.

1494
02:06:53,510 --> 02:06:54,450
So do you have direction?

1495
02:06:54,650 --> 02:06:56,830
Do you need to come back to us with this?

1496
02:06:57,550 --> 02:07:03,870
I would recommend the A-Motion, so it's clear for the record as to what the direction it's of the staff.

1497
02:07:07,340 --> 02:07:08,200
Mayor President?

1498
02:07:09,680 --> 02:07:10,880
Yeah, we were at this.

1499
02:07:12,220 --> 02:07:21,280
I'd like to make a motion that the city attorney draft to language to enable a administrative condition

1500
02:07:21,280 --> 02:07:28,700
to use permit to process with regard to the 24-hour uses and operations in Grant Terrace

1501
02:07:28,700 --> 02:07:41,400
and a caveat that addresses the issue of prior use, and what process might be pursued,

1502
02:07:44,100 --> 02:07:48,520
not including a complete new process.

1503
02:07:57,480 --> 02:07:57,580
Okay.

1504
02:07:57,880 --> 02:08:00,760
There's somebody Mayor Pro Tem Wilson, very well stated.

1505
02:08:01,200 --> 02:08:02,780
Second, by Council Member Hussie.

1506
02:08:03,100 --> 02:08:03,780
Please vote.

1507
02:08:06,810 --> 02:08:07,670
Motion passes.

1508
02:08:07,670 --> 02:08:12,570
with Council members Allen and Hessey Votinges, Mayor Pro Jim Wilson, Votinges and Mayor

1509
02:08:12,570 --> 02:08:13,870
McNubo Votinges.

1510
02:08:14,110 --> 02:08:14,150
All right.

1511
02:08:14,390 --> 02:08:14,830
Thank you.

1512
02:08:14,910 --> 02:08:21,310
Move to item 11, which is an application of safe way recycling and recovering ink for City

1513
02:08:21,310 --> 02:08:27,810
Council approval of a junk and second hand dealer license for the property located at

1514
02:08:27,810 --> 02:08:35,230
21516 Main Street, Director of Planning and Development Services, Sandra Molina.

1515
02:08:36,750 --> 02:08:37,190
Thank you, Mayor.

1516
02:08:37,190 --> 02:08:38,590
members of the city council.

1517
02:08:40,250 --> 02:08:46,970
So this proposal is for a junk and second hand yellow license for safe way recycling.

1518
02:08:48,570 --> 02:08:52,970
So I had two one five one six main street, there used to be a business they were called American

1519
02:08:52,970 --> 02:09:00,010
metal recycling and in 2011 they received a conditional use permit to be able to collect

1520
02:09:00,010 --> 02:09:07,930
recyclable material, CRV, you know, cans and plastic bottles. They also took in metal products and some household

1521
02:09:07,930 --> 02:09:15,070
item, such as beda-frame, the metal beda-frames, they would take in refrigerators,

1522
02:09:17,090 --> 02:09:18,310
but our business

1523
02:09:19,210 --> 02:09:26,050
permit requirements for any business that takes in scrap metals because they also took in scrap metals.

1524
02:09:26,050 --> 02:09:33,730
They require this business permit and so American metal recycling recently vacated the premises and safeway

1525
02:09:35,210 --> 02:09:39,130
recycling and recovery is proposing to occupy that space and so

1526
02:09:40,110 --> 02:09:41,670
Part of that process

1527
02:09:42,210 --> 02:09:47,650
They're able to reoccupy that space operating the same manner as American metal recycling under that condition

1528
02:09:47,650 --> 02:09:53,430
They use permit, but they are required to get their own business permit through the city council

1529
02:09:53,430 --> 02:09:57,530
And chapter 5.44 regulates this type of permit.

1530
02:09:58,270 --> 02:10:03,770
This application was forwarded to our building safety department, the sheriff's department,

1531
02:10:05,410 --> 02:10:09,550
and the planning department reviewed it till we get recommendations and all three departments

1532
02:10:09,550 --> 02:10:13,050
are recommending that the council issue this business permit.

1533
02:10:13,470 --> 02:10:20,790
In addition, this type of use is heavily regulated or municipal code and our business,

1534
02:10:20,790 --> 02:10:23,270
California Business and Profitions Code,

1535
02:10:23,850 --> 02:10:25,270
highly regulates this type of business.

1536
02:10:25,530 --> 02:10:27,550
And so the business takes in,

1537
02:10:27,550 --> 02:10:29,330
somebody comes in to recycle metal.

1538
02:10:29,650 --> 02:10:30,750
They have to have an ID.

1539
02:10:31,410 --> 02:10:32,950
They have to get all their information.

1540
02:10:33,230 --> 02:10:34,370
They have to put that in the records.

1541
02:10:34,570 --> 02:10:37,050
They have to notate what the item was.

1542
02:10:37,350 --> 02:10:38,590
And then you can keep those records on site

1543
02:10:38,590 --> 02:10:42,210
in their subject inspection with notice.

1544
02:10:42,530 --> 02:10:46,010
And so with that, staff is recommending

1545
02:10:46,010 --> 02:10:49,750
that the city council issue, or approve,

1546
02:10:49,750 --> 02:10:56,330
the business permit. But staff does have one proposed modification to the resolution and on

1547
02:10:56,330 --> 02:11:08,840
stamp page 397 down at section 2 with the council's findings. We would add at the end so it

1548
02:11:08,840 --> 02:11:13,520
would read the city council hereby proves a junk and second hand dealer's license for a safe

1549
02:11:13,520 --> 02:11:18,640
way recycling and recovery ink. Subject to the requirements contained in chapter 5.44,

1550
02:11:18,640 --> 02:11:25,540
Johnkins second hand dealers are the grand terrace municipal code and all other applicable laws applicable laws

1551
02:11:25,540 --> 02:11:27,800
comma and a contingent upon

1552
02:11:27,800 --> 02:11:33,180
issuance of a business license so that they run together and

1553
02:11:33,180 --> 02:11:34,620
with that

1554
02:11:34,620 --> 02:11:36,120
I include my presentation

1555
02:11:38,570 --> 02:11:39,170
Thank you

1556
02:11:39,170 --> 02:11:39,530
Come

1557
02:11:42,060 --> 02:11:45,020
back over to the mayor

1558
02:11:45,020 --> 02:11:47,220
Questions of staff at this time?

1559
02:11:50,130 --> 02:11:54,720
Thank you, Director Molina.

1560
02:11:55,600 --> 02:12:01,380
Pack up page 391 in the last paragraph about halfway down.

1561
02:12:01,800 --> 02:12:05,800
So our part-way down it says that, well, the whole paragraph

1562
02:12:05,800 --> 02:12:09,960
says that improving the use of planning commission post several conditions of approval.

1563
02:12:11,360 --> 02:12:12,700
And it goes through some of those.

1564
02:12:12,700 --> 02:12:16,900
And then one of those conditions is prohibiting on-site disassembly.

1565
02:12:17,540 --> 02:12:21,380
Is that this disassembly of junk that's brought there?

1566
02:12:21,380 --> 02:12:22,540
Is that correct?

1567
02:12:24,160 --> 02:12:33,560
Yes, when the planning commission was considering the CEP in 2011, they were concerned that people were going to drive in a vehicle or bring something in and dismantle exactly what you're saying.

1568
02:12:34,020 --> 02:12:34,120
Yes.

1569
02:12:34,340 --> 02:12:35,560
Okay, because they do that there.

1570
02:12:35,620 --> 02:12:38,580
I've used that to that place for many years to turn in my recycling.

1571
02:12:38,740 --> 02:12:43,220
People go there and they dismantle all kinds of things in that parking lot.

1572
02:12:43,700 --> 02:12:49,060
And so I just, I think that, you know, we need to make sure that they form this

1573
02:12:52,840 --> 02:12:53,800
further question.

1574
02:12:55,160 --> 02:12:55,940
All right.

1575
02:12:56,100 --> 02:12:58,880
We'll open it up to public comment, or there are any requests to speak on the side?

1576
02:12:59,240 --> 02:13:00,000
No, Madam Mayor.

1577
02:13:00,260 --> 02:13:00,520
All right.

1578
02:13:00,540 --> 02:13:01,460
Close public comment.

1579
02:13:01,560 --> 02:13:03,660
Bring it back to Council for consideration of a motion.

1580
02:13:10,920 --> 02:13:13,800
So, we're, this is for a business license, right?

1581
02:13:16,600 --> 02:13:17,240
Is that correct?

1582
02:13:18,220 --> 02:13:19,020
Director Molina?

1583
02:13:20,280 --> 02:13:21,400
It's a business permit.

1584
02:13:21,560 --> 02:13:22,120
Business permit.

1585
02:13:22,320 --> 02:13:23,180
Okay, Madam Mayor.

1586
02:13:23,660 --> 02:13:28,340
Then I recommend that we adopt a resolution to the City Council, the City of Rente Terrace.

1587
02:13:28,340 --> 02:13:33,280
approving a John Consect and dealer of Slicens for Safeway Recycling and Recovery.

1588
02:13:34,620 --> 02:13:34,800
Second.

1589
02:13:35,620 --> 02:13:39,280
Motion by Council Member Allen, second by Mayor Proton Wilson, please vote.

1590
02:13:41,690 --> 02:13:46,450
Motion passed up to Council Member Allen and Hussie Votinges, Mayor Proton Wilson Votinges, and Mayor

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02:13:46,450 --> 02:13:47,550
McNubo Votinges.

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02:13:48,050 --> 02:13:48,330
Thank you.

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02:13:48,490 --> 02:13:52,290
So we'll move on to item 12, which is professional services agreement between the City of Grand

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02:13:52,290 --> 02:13:57,170
Terrace and Interwest Consulting Group to provide management services to planning and

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02:13:57,170 --> 02:14:02,350
development services and public works department in the amount not to exceed $147,000.

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02:14:04,190 --> 02:14:05,030
Dr. Molina.

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02:14:05,910 --> 02:14:07,910
This matter may or thank you, members of the City Council.

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02:14:11,320 --> 02:14:16,880
As indicated by the mayor, this is a proposal to enter into a contract, a new contract with

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02:14:17,420 --> 02:14:22,080
Interwest Consulting Group for management services to planning and public works.

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02:14:22,080 --> 02:14:30,620
So, in 2017, the City Council did approve an amendment to an existing contract with Interwest.

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02:14:31,000 --> 02:14:36,860
So, the existing contract was for public works inspection and construction management.

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02:14:37,580 --> 02:14:46,320
And so, we took to the City Council City Council approved a modification to incorporate deputy building official and plans of the Ammoner functions.

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02:14:46,320 --> 02:14:52,260
And the contracts limited the services to 16 hours per week.

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02:14:53,540 --> 02:14:59,960
The plan checking component of the service would be offset by development.

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02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:03,200
And so there was an offset with regard to the hourly rate.

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02:15:06,140 --> 02:15:11,200
So we've been operating under that contract since 2017.

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02:15:13,000 --> 02:15:26,960
And then I wouldn't have had that the city had budgeted a deputy building, or excuse me, a building official, but because we were having difficulty hiring a person that would work part time, we ended up going to consulting services.

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02:15:26,960 --> 02:15:46,240
But since then, we're finding that we have a greater need in planning and in public works for a consultant that would provide management level services to the directors and also to our line frontline staff.

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02:15:46,240 --> 02:15:54,380
There's a bit of, there's a need for that middle, middle manager type of consulting services.

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02:15:54,920 --> 02:15:59,960
And so this new contract would expand the scope of services to provide that level of service,

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02:15:59,980 --> 02:16:02,940
not only to planning development services, but also to public works.

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02:16:03,340 --> 02:16:10,160
And so the expanded scope would include, again, management services support to those different departments and divisions.

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02:16:12,620 --> 02:16:17,240
The person would also provide direct customer service at the counter in the field.

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02:16:17,720 --> 02:16:23,180
And I would also, as indicated in the staff report, we've under the auspices of the contract,

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02:16:23,440 --> 02:16:27,880
we have brought in a consultant named Chas Ferguson who's resumes in the staff report.

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02:16:28,320 --> 02:16:33,620
And he's been providing this 40-hour service, and he's been going out to the field.

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02:16:33,740 --> 02:16:35,000
He's been helping people up the counter.

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02:16:35,000 --> 02:16:42,440
He's been helping with food enforcement staff and animal control staff and also with some public

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02:16:42,440 --> 02:16:45,540
works issues that have come up.

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02:16:46,220 --> 02:16:51,680
And so part of the work would be, again, the building official, the plans examiner, also

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02:16:51,680 --> 02:16:58,520
some inspections that he's gone out and done, and then there would be the hourly offset

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02:16:58,520 --> 02:17:00,260
again by the developer deposits.

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02:17:04,100 --> 02:17:09,700
So staff would recommend that the City Council award the agreement to, and a West to provide

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02:17:09,700 --> 02:17:13,500
the management services to planning, development services and public works, and not to exceed

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02:17:13,500 --> 02:17:19,780
$147,000, and authorize the Mayor to execute the agreement subject to City Attorney approval

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02:17:19,780 --> 02:17:21,860
as to form with regard to the contract.

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02:17:22,880 --> 02:17:23,920
Thank you, Director Molina.

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02:17:24,060 --> 02:17:25,940
Are there questions of staff at this time?

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02:17:28,760 --> 02:17:29,700
Council Member Allen.

1630
02:17:31,240 --> 02:17:36,100
Director Molina on Packet Page 417 under additional services.

1631
02:17:40,560 --> 02:17:46,960
There's a sentence, partway down, it says any increase in compensation of up to 10 percent

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02:17:46,960 --> 02:17:56,570
of the contract sum, or $25,000, whichever is less, or in the time to perform up to

1633
02:17:56,570 --> 02:18:05,570
$180, maybe approved by the contract officer, $25,000, that's 20% of the contract, isn't it?

1634
02:18:06,170 --> 02:18:16,070
About 20% of the, is that the correct amount and the contracting officer can approve that?

1635
02:18:17,590 --> 02:18:26,410
This particular section is written so in addition to that contract amount not to exceed, but

1636
02:18:26,410 --> 02:18:30,070
was a city turning in a comment on this particular section. Mr. City Attorney?

1637
02:18:31,070 --> 02:18:36,390
What this section does just provide some flexibility if some special project comes up that the

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02:18:36,390 --> 02:18:43,870
contract officer can improve something. In this case, it's up to 10% of the contract values,

1639
02:18:43,870 --> 02:18:48,630
or 25,000 whichever is less, and in this case the contract value is 147,000,

1640
02:18:49,070 --> 02:18:54,990
10% of that is 14700, so that would be the contract options cap, should

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02:18:54,990 --> 02:18:56,590
additional services be required.

1642
02:18:59,960 --> 02:19:05,480
Or 25,000, but that's irrelevant because it's saying whichever is less.

1643
02:19:06,000 --> 02:19:08,460
In the contract, you know, officer would be the city manager at this time?

1644
02:19:08,800 --> 02:19:09,280
I believe so,

1645
02:19:12,070 --> 02:19:12,070
yes.

1646
02:19:12,070 --> 02:19:18,430
for the questions all right open up public comment any request to speak on this item no

1647
02:19:18,430 --> 02:19:22,230
matter may all right we'll bring back the council for consideration of a motion

1648
02:19:27,160 --> 02:19:28,860
I'll make a motion that we

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02:19:28,860 --> 02:19:33,480
recommend I recommend award a professional service room at inter west consulting group

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02:19:34,720 --> 02:19:39,120
to provide management services to the plane development services above the work department in an

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02:19:39,120 --> 02:19:46,580
amount not to exceed $147,000 and authorize the mayor to execute the agreement subject to city

1652
02:19:46,580 --> 02:19:48,600
attorney approval as to four.

1653
02:19:54,100 --> 02:19:55,640
Motion by Council Member Rowland.

1654
02:19:56,020 --> 02:19:58,020
Second by Council Member Hassey, please vote.

1655
02:20:00,780 --> 02:20:02,600
Motion passed with Council Members Allen.

1656
02:20:03,040 --> 02:20:04,020
And Hassey voting guests.

1657
02:20:04,260 --> 02:20:05,540
Mayor Proxima Wilson voting guests.

1658
02:20:05,680 --> 02:20:07,060
And Mayor Matt Nubba voting guests.

1659
02:20:07,340 --> 02:20:07,880
Thank you.

1660
02:20:08,100 --> 02:20:11,980
So our request for future agenda items will be moved to another date.

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02:20:12,020 --> 02:20:13,340
City manager communications.

1662
02:20:15,630 --> 02:20:16,270
Thank you, Mayor.

1663
02:20:17,650 --> 02:20:18,510
Just one of the reminder.

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02:20:19,090 --> 02:20:22,950
Mayor and Council in the community about the truck retreat event that's going to be occurring.

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02:20:22,950 --> 02:20:29,790
Next Thursday, October 31st from 6 to 9 p.m., there'll be costum contest, and there'll be

1666
02:20:29,790 --> 02:20:38,470
costum judging from ages of 0.5, 6 to 10, 11 to 15, and 16 plus, as well as dog costum judging.

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02:20:38,930 --> 02:20:43,750
It's a lot of fun. We have a lot of fun last year, and it's a great way for the community to come out

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02:20:43,750 --> 02:20:48,950
and have a good time for trick or treat, trunk or treat.

1669
02:20:51,700 --> 02:20:53,700
All right, also we have the the end of

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02:20:53,700 --> 02:20:58,940
country fair coming up on November the second. So it's going to be a fun field weekend

1671
02:20:58,940 --> 02:21:04,500
starting on Thursday and Saturday culminating with the country fair put on by the

1672
02:21:04,500 --> 02:21:09,160
Circle Cultural Committee. It's from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. at City Hall. We look forward to seeing

1673
02:21:09,160 --> 02:21:16,060
everybody there. Also then on November the 11th we have our annual Veterans Day and Veterans

1674
02:21:16,060 --> 02:21:21,600
Freedom Park event on November the 11th we encourage everyone to come out at the Veterans

1675
02:21:21,600 --> 02:21:22,300
in Park.

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02:21:25,270 --> 02:21:32,170
And then finally, Mayor, my final presentation is, you were going to help me out with,

1677
02:21:32,210 --> 02:21:40,770
I'm not very happy about this, but I do wish Sandra Malena a really great warm wishes and

1678
02:21:40,770 --> 02:21:46,370
good luck in her new endeavor. She'll be leaving us. This is where's last week of employment

1679
02:21:46,370 --> 02:21:51,290
with us and she'll be going to Cathedral City to do some of the great things she's done

1680
02:21:51,290 --> 02:22:04,630
And so we have a plaque and we'd like the mayor, the council to read the plaque and then we're going to take a photo of the grantors family so we can treasure that as we miss Malina.

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02:22:05,770 --> 02:22:18,290
This is presented to Sandra Malina, planning and development services director for your sincere commitment and devotion in grateful appreciation for your years about standing service and dedication.

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02:22:18,290 --> 02:22:26,570
For your leadership and hard work, your attention to detail and exemplary, exemplary, work ethic

1683
02:22:26,570 --> 02:22:30,710
has aided the city to the level that has prospered.

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02:22:31,090 --> 02:22:37,790
For your unselfish commitment and tireless cooperation, city of grand terrace, thank you for

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02:22:37,790 --> 02:22:43,450
all your contributions towards enhancing the quality of life of the residents of this community

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02:22:44,090 --> 02:22:47,250
dated the 20 seconds of October 2019.

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02:22:47,250 --> 02:22:57,410
And I echo the city manager when I say I'm not happy about this, but I do wish you the best and I know that the city of that you will be working in is very lucky to have

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02:23:28,040 --> 02:23:33,160
you.

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02:23:42,470 --> 02:23:42,910
With

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02:24:36,830 --> 02:24:38,490
that mayor that concludes my report.

1691
02:24:38,930 --> 02:24:39,670
Thank you, Mr. Duffy.

1692
02:24:39,670 --> 02:24:45,870
All right, we do have a closed session tonight, so we will be resessing to closed session.

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02:24:46,730 --> 02:24:51,630
And for those of you that are watching, we'll let you know that our next regular city council meeting

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02:24:51,630 --> 02:24:55,370
will be held on Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 6 p.m.

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02:24:55,630 --> 02:25:00,170
Any request to have an item placed on future agenda must be made in writing and submitted to the

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02:25:00,170 --> 02:25:01,230
the city clerk's office.

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02:25:01,730 --> 02:25:04,590
The request will be processed in accordance with the council procedures.

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02:25:04,590 --> 02:25:11,130
Thank you to everybody who came out and spoke tonight and shared their opinions and concerns

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02:25:11,130 --> 02:25:12,190
with us.

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02:25:12,270 --> 02:25:17,610
And at this time, we will recess to close session conference with legal counsel and

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02:25:17,610 --> 02:25:18,770
anticipated litigation.

1702
02:25:19,650 --> 02:25:26,250
Significant exposure to litigation pursuant to government code section 54956.9B.

1703
02:25:26,690 --> 02:25:29,150
One potential case at this time, we are in recess.

1704
02:26:04,000 --> 02:26:04,620
I do.

1705
02:26:04,620 --> 02:26:07,500
All right, we'll reconvene to open session.

1706
02:26:07,900 --> 02:26:11,660
Councilment and closed session conference with legal council anticipated litigation.

1707
02:26:12,340 --> 02:26:20,320
Significant exposure to litigation pursuant to government code section 54956.9B when potential case.

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02:26:20,560 --> 02:26:22,840
No reportable actions at this time.

1709
02:26:23,420 --> 02:26:24,800
Direction was given to staff.

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02:26:25,260 --> 02:26:31,280
So with that, we will adjourn to our next regular city council meeting to be held on Tuesday, November 12th.

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02:26:31,280 --> 02:26:37,580
2019 at 6 p.m. any request to have an item placed on future agenda must be made in writing

1712
02:26:37,580 --> 02:26:41,820
and submitted to the City Clerk's office and the request will be processed in accordance

1713
02:26:41,820 --> 02:26:42,760
with Council procedures.

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02:26:44,100 --> 02:26:44,920
We are adjourned.