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Good evening. Call to order the City of Green Committee meeting for June 13th, 2023.

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First item on our agenda tonight is TMP-42-33, approval of the May 23rd, 2023 committee meeting minutes.

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Motion to approve. Motion to approve. Second.

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I have a motion in a second for the approval of TMP-42-33. Is there any discussion? Call the roll please.

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Mr. Noble. Yes. Mr. Yergen. Yes. Mr. France. Yes. Mrs. Babbit. Yes. Mr. DeBetus. Yes. Okay.

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Mission carries. The next item on the agenda is the committees. First, we have the Finance Committee,

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which tonight will be chaired by Mrs. Babbit. Thank you.

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Mr. Mager is not present this evening,

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but Mr. Yergen and I are present. So the Finance Committee will meet. We have several items of legislation before us.

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The first of which is on third reading, it is,

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sorry, just a second, I can't read it on the computer, the number.

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Um, 2023, 02, as amended, an ordinance authorizing the issuance of bonds in a maximum aggregate principle amount of 14,900,000.

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for the purpose of constructing, adding to, furnishing, equipping, and otherwise improving

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community learning centers, and improving their sites in cooperation with the Green

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Local School District.

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District.

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And this is a comma, there's no ends, but I think that means, and approving the related

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cooperative agreement.

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And this is something that we did spend some time discussing at our last meeting, but I

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know, there were questions and further discussion to be had.

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Ms. Dean or Mr. Schmidt, do you have anything that you want to address before we ask questions

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of you or do you want to talk about, do you want to address anything that was raised last

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time?

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So, one thing is, I remember how to come in here again at raising the draft of the legislation itself.

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The question about why paragraphs ABCD read the way that they do.

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So, the reference has to be made to an original CLC community learning center establishment in order for,

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to, obviously, be legal, but for an order for this agreement to be able to be enforced

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and to be entered into, so there should be no changes through legislation to answer that question.

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It's a requirement.

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It's a baseline requirement in order for there to be, for us to be able to enter into the agreement.

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So rather than establish a CLC, we've already established a CLC.

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We're just, so now going along with that and doing that with other buildings.

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So that's the first thing, okay.

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And then I know there were some questions about the, the, the, the, the, the agreement in

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general.

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I know the school is here, and I, I alluded to the fact that we sat for six months of meetings

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with the school administration, the city administration, I don't, if you, you want me to

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It just answers specific questions or we're generally speaking my perspective.

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I'm wondering if you specifically had time to talk with the mayor and see if there's

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any clarification or improvement that we can do to the section about the establishment and

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collection of fees because I know like you said last time, this is the agreement we saw

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before but I believe I asked similar questions months ago and we pass it off to wait till

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It's a final agreement when we're, and now we're here.

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Can you do us a page number, Ms. Thumb?

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It's page 16, section 6.2, fees,

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but it, like, as I mentioned last time,

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it's probably a reference and impacts other parts of the agreement, but I don't

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think it is at all being too broad with the contract to get more specific on this.

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It's not a narrow question of like saying that the city wants the pickleball courts lined in blue.

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I mean, this is who gets the money from the use of the facility and how the fee structure is set up and where the money goes.

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And I don't think it's clear from this section and I'm not sure why the district would be establishing a separate fee schedule and collecting fees.

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When it was my understanding at the beginning of this process, and I did vote for vote in favor of the project, but it was my understanding that the revenues from any use of the community courts facility would come back to the city to

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to compensate for the cost that it's going to, that we're going to incur to run the place and also to repay some of our 14.9 million if possible.

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So I'm thinking that this agreement is not specific enough on that point.

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Yeah, I think first, probably Valerie, also finance, and then I can clean up anything that's not answered.

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Well, I'll address the scheduling a little bit and Mr. Miller's here as well, and he and I have had.

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I joked today with somebody said I think I've spoken with Mr. Miller more in the last six months than I have in my six years that I've been here.

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So we speak almost on a daily basis now, and then I'll let Mr. Schmidt talk about money that might be coming in and how that will be handled.

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But in terms of the scheduling and I think the mayor touched on it the last time is that anything during the school day the schools would be handling and there's some definitions in here that can help with what a school day is what are school hours those are at the beginning I believe in this agreement by my agreements mix up let me know so more in majority of the time we will be we meaning the city because we'll be scheduling the facility as a whole would be doing that

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and we wouldn't be necessarily in competition.

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So if there's like we talked about a-a-u tournament,

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that would be scheduled through us

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and we will have an established schedule of fees right now.

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They have an established fee schedule,

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we have an established fee schedule.

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So we're comparing notes in that

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and we will come up with a agreeable fee schedule.

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So that to your point,

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we don't want to be charging one thing

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for the middle school gym during a school event

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and a different rate city event.

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But the majority of things will be actually scheduled

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through the city because we will be handling most of the hours.

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And that's talked about in here that we are the ones

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that would be scheduling those times outside of the school hours.

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Yeah, I just think we need to get maybe a little clearer

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with our language on the fees and what you're talking about

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and how exactly it's going to work.

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Because to me, this is a super, super important

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So it's taking point with this agreement.

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Ms. Abbott, may I?

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Got it.

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So I just want to make a note here as I'm reading it because when it talks about the district,

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since the Board of Education may establish and collect fees for attendance to the district-sponsored activities in the community learning center,

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which is not the community courts.

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And in the next paragraph says the Board of Education may establish a fee and schedule for use of the GMS-GM,

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by auxiliary users, which is also not the community courts.

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Well, if I may, Mr. Noblet is, is after school hour after.

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But then we, or the ones handling that scheduling,

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and we would use the fee schedule that is agreed upon by both parties.

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So we'll already be established.

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So just like we do today, we have a fee schedule established

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for the community hall, for Torach.

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It'll be very similar to that, and obviously we would be consulting with the schools because we don't want it to be in conflict with what they have.

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They don't want their schedule to be in conflict with what we have either.

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If you're going to ask me, okay, what are we charging per hour, we don't know that yet.

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Those are things that Mr. Miller and others are working out currently.

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That will be part of the other agreement that we're talking about.

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Yeah, nobody's asking that because I understand that over the course of the next 20-some years that amount will change.

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Yes, certainly would not expect to see those numbers

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within this contract, but actually Mr. Noble, thank you

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for helping make my point.

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My understanding that was community courts are included

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within the community learning center.

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So when you're talking about a fee schedule

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for anything in the community learning center

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to me that encompasses the community courts,

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how are we talking about these as different things

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within this paragraph?

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And what do they mean as opposed to the way they're used

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and other parts of the context.

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So the CLC definition is in the contract

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at the beginning, if that's what the question is.

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But I think it might be more helpful,

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I think we're using them confusingly in that paragraph.

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Maybe what would be more helpful is you just take a day.

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Take it.

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It's Monday.

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School opens at 7 a.m.

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I don't know.

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I'm making this up.

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School opens at 7 a.m.

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Go from that time.

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So whatever the school hours are, let's say 7 a.m.

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to 4 p.m., so during 7 a.m. to 4 p.m., they will use the middle school gym, however they want.

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That will be under their control, they will use it, however they want.

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If they want something in the larger facility during that time between 7 and 4,

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then the schools would call the city and we would schedule whatever they want.

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Just like if they wanted to use the community hall during the day,

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or Torak or HECK even Butler Park when they use Butler Park for an event they call us and we schedule that.

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So anything outside of that middle school gym during school hours goes through the city to schedule.

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I understand what you're saying. I think what I'm trying to say is what you're saying is

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it necessarily reflected in this agreement. I think 1 age 16? Yeah. Okay.

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I think it needs to be spelled out a little bit more clearly what you're saying because this is a

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So I know it sounds annoying now that for me to keep bringing this up, but in the bigger picture

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This is a pretty crucial part of this agreement as far as the city of green is concerned

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Would you be able to give me an example kind of just like what I did like I just looked up the definitions because I thought maybe I had been remiss and not

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But, um, citing them, no, I look at them already, and community learning center includes

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community courts facilities, which is something that makes us paragraph convincing.

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But, and I don't disagree with what you're saying.

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Ms. Abbott, but during the school day, the one portion, I guess we'll call the community

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learning center.

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The middle school gym is under the control of the schools, which I understand.

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Yeah, I think that this paragraph needs to reflect that the fee schedule will be created jointly

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and how it will be adhered to.

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I just don't think it's clear enough in here.

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I mean, if you and Council disagree with me, certainly, we can be left to vote on it as it

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is.

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But I'm saying, I know we're not supposed to pull our personal backgrounds into this.

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But for me, if I were responsible for defending this contract, this would concern me.

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Okay, that's where it's coming from.

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So I guess to finish out the day though, so what the sentences that you were asking

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about was the Board of Education Minister, I wish you collect fees for attendance at district

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sponsored activities at the CLC, what would be a district sponsored activity at the CLC?

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Well, the only thing that they would correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Miller, but let's say until

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For a clock, you have a nice cream social.

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It's two o'clock for the parents and you're going to charge $10 the head.

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That's totally in your control, because you're doing it during your school hours in the middle

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school gym.

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But as soon as those school hours are done, then we would take over.

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So if you wanted to have a nice cream social as six o'clock in the middle school gym, then

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it would fall to us to schedule.

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Again, if we were agreed to $10 a head for that type of event, then we would just apply that fee.

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That would be mutually agreed upon.

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Okay, so then I'll get more specific with what I think the first correction should be.

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Okay. The Board of Education may establish and collect fees for attendance.

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A district sponsored activities at the Community Learning Centers.

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I think what you mean is the GMS gym.

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Because the Board of Education will not be establishing our collecting fees.

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Well says for, okay, it says community learning centers.

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That's why I'm saying it should probably just say,

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DMA, it does talk about, right,

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the Board of Education may establish a fee schedule

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for the use of GMS gym, right,

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and that's exactly what I'm talking about.

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If there were ever an issue,

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those two sentences would be in conflict with one another.

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Okay, because they're not the same thing.

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Are you hearing that would be helpful?

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No, I think if you put GMSGM instead of community learning centers, it would probably be clear to us.

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So the problem with what you're suggesting a couple of things, and I wish we had my sharp here, so my sharp was the lawyer for the school district.

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He drafted this language, and it was after sitting for meetings where everybody was talking, and I went over this, and so the school board has already approved this contract.

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As is with this language. So, I guess the problem I'm having, Councilwoman Babbit is that the way that you're

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understanding it is not necessarily the way that we understand it and it's not necessarily the school district

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understudded. The school district's lawyer understudded. So, that's the problem I'm having.

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Can I be more clear then? Sure. The power that you are giving the Board of Education

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in the first sentence is a broader power than you are giving them in the second sentence.

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And what happens in the first sentence is that you do allow them to establish and collect fees

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for things that are happening in areas of...

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Other than the GMS gym. And what you're telling me is that, and that's not what you intend to do.

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The Board of Education may establish and collect fees for attendance at district sponsored activities at community learning centers.

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It should be at in the GMS gym. I don't think it should apply to the community to the courts facility.

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And as you said, in the very beginning where the definitions are explicitly stated, the community

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courts facility is part of the community learning center.

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So, and honestly, you made my point, because you said, I don't think what you're understanding

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is what I'm understanding, and that's exactly what a court is going to say.

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Or what somebody interpreting the documents is going to say.

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Because what I see in that first sentence is the board of education,

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can establish and collect fees for district-sponsored events in the entire facility because it says community learning center.

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Okay, so if the school has a district-sponsored activity in the community court's portion,

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we're going to schedule that through the city, if it's after school hours, and who's collecting the fees.

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be wood and then if there's an agreement that they were split in that 50-50 or whatever it might be those things haven't been established it all depends on the event

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Mr. Miller, am I missing anything else how I just want to make sure I'm explaining it how we've talked

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But what I'm telling you is that it's not a feeling. You're you're feeling it's fuzzy. I get it. It's not a feeling. Okay

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Mr. Miller, I didn't mean to interrupt if you were gonna come up and clarify

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So can I bring up a scenario?

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Let's say the school district wants to do a couple

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of basketball games on a Saturday, right?

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So does this language say, if they use the facility

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on a Saturday at our discretion,

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that they would have the right to have admission to the game?

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Ms. Dean?

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Yeah, it's the caveat is what is an auxiliary user?

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So I'm not sure yet to be more specific about what kind of game

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it is?

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Sure, let's say it's a middle school.

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It's a middle school sporting event, and they have scheduled the use of the gym through

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our...

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So it wouldn't be because of the school event.

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Okay, so I ask the question again now that I know it's the actual school, and the school

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isn't having auxiliary users.

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So I'm sorry.

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So it would be an event where they're using the facility, which is deemed a CLC for legal reasons

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involving contracting, but they're having an event on a Saturday morning that's a

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basketball games at which they charge admission. Does that statement say that they have the right to

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charge admission and collect fees for the use of the facility even though it's under our control?

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And if so, and if so, is the interpretation of that more broad in allowing them to do so

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and Miller and the subsequent part, where it allows them to use of the middle school gym exclusively.

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The use of the middle school gym exclusively during school hours, they also have priority use, which is also in the contract.

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And I also have a right to assess these on events in the CLC, which as we know is the entire facility, because it's required to be that way because of the funding.

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Yes, yes, and my understanding is, it's essentially,

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they're, well, I'll withdraw that, but we're not charging the school.

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So right, the school is using the facility, we're not charging them.

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Other, that's what it's saying.

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And which scenario is?

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And which scenario?

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In particular, in the community learning center.

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Outside of their hours?

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Outside of their hours.

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I don't know if we've clarified that.

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So, there are control, do they pay a fee to use it outside of their hours, they may pay a fee if they sponsor to them?

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I don't know. I'm sorry, Mayor, if I may.

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For example, right now, we use their facilities without a fee, and they use our facilities without a fee.

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Like, currently, right now, that's how we do it. So we don't see a change to that.

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If they want to have a sixth grade basketball tournament that are school users, I would not

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see us charging a fee to use it.

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If they want to charge admission, and to miss Babba's point, I think under our agreed schedule

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if an admission is being charged, we would have to establish, we split it 50, 50, or they

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get it 70, 30, or whatever it might be.

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But currently there are no, I don't know if that's the money in the water, but currently,

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And when we have our basketball leagues at,

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help me in school, intermediate,

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you guys don't charge us when they need to use

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the community hall for something, we don't charge them.

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So we don't see that changing.

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It's just we're adding an additional building

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that we will share.

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Just like I guess in this building a little bit,

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we don't charge per use of the conference rooms

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because we share it.

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Like, when they have a school board meeting here, we don't charge them.

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That's a good answer.

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And I see your point, but here's a difference.

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The difference is, we'll be using those facilities for things where people are charged to come in.

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I mean, I know it's super entertaining, but we're not charging tickets yet for city council or school board meetings,

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so, you know, it's, I think, I just, a lot of the things that you're saying to me makes sense,

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as far as how we anticipate using this

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and how we anticipate charging or not charging.

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Like, I don't have an issue with how we're planning to do it.

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My problem comes in that I don't think

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what are intentions and the school boards and tensions

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are appropriately or really clearly stated in this section

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that's crucial to it, this B section in the contract.

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And I mean, and like I said at the last meeting, the reason that I am so sensitive to this

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is because the biggest role that I see our group, City Council, having with regard to this,

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is trying to make sure that we do everything that we possibly can to try to pay for is the huge

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huge outlet of money, and the bonds are huge, and it's a ton of money, and I don't think

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it's a bad thing but it's just big and I think we need to, we have a responsibility as

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Council people to not vote on anything or vote for anything until we know it's very clear

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that we're going to recoup what we can through these fees and that it's clearly stated

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that there is this set up for fees for use to come back to us and I don't mean when the

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That's what I'm saying, like I understand that there's other norms that will apply like this, the way that we share facilities and I'm not suggesting we should change those.

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I'm just suggesting that this is a confusing paragraph.

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Well, it does go on to say such fees shall be used to pay all or portion of maintenance, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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All as may further provide in the shared use agreement.

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And I guess that's my point, Mr. Miller,

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and I have not figured out all of what those fees will be

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until we get to that agreement.

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And honestly, some things could come up

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that we're going to even know about right now.

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And I understand that, and I'm not, like I said,

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I'm not suggesting that we tell you

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that we're talking about the court last.

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I think that that provides some,

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I think that sentence should definitely stay in there.

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I don't think it helps with the confusion

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created by the previous sentences.

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I still think that we, I think, just the way that we've talked about it shows that there are different ways that those can be interpreted and I think they're just not, I mean, I think it needs to be clearer.

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So, let me just say what I think it says, and then I suppose my understanding is also with the school lawyer thinks it says, because we, thus, the city can set its own fees for events, it has the school board can set its own fees for events, it has work, we the city are not going to tell the school what to charge and the school is not going to tell us what to charge.

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we're sharing this facility.

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So we each get to set our own fee schedule.

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Now, they're going to do that and concert.

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I heard her check a deep breath, because she's not a lawyer.

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So I'm a lawyer saying, nope, we're setting our own fees.

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They're setting our own fees.

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She's a community person who's going to say,

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but I'm going to do that and so I sit down with the school

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administration to make sure we're all on the same page.

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And I know that will happen.

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And I know that that's going to be part of the shared use agreement.

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It'll be more detailed.

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But what this says is, why would we tell the school what fees to charge and the school is not going to tell the city what fees to charge?

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And then because we have auxiliary users, which is people that are not the city and not the school, which is defined at the beginning, we may have tournaments for example, then it also says that the board of education gets to establish a fee schedule for the GMS gym and then we get to set the fee schedule for the community courts portion.

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So I think it's pretty clear Councilwoman Babbit to me, and I don't know if that helps the perception of what the drafters meant, but I have struggling with the request to make any changes because we already have six months on this, and then we have the school has approved us already.

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Well, how is different, how is different to different than what we, let me just tell you before.

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If you don't mind.

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So we have a party to this contract who's already authorized it.

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So that's part of my problem is I don't want it just because there's a little bit of,

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I don't want to say nitpicking that I can't think of a better word and I'm sorry.

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You're not making you have the right to ask every question you're asking.

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I just don't want to upset the entire apple cart because there's a little bit of a different opinion about what somebody sentences me.

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Well, at the end of the day, you don't carry the burden of 15 million of the city's money being spent on this, but I do, and I don't think it's nitpicking at all.

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I think this is exactly what we're going to do.

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What I'm going to do.

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And what I'm asking you is, I'm sorry I interrupted you, but it was a hard minute, how did this change from the first agreement that you gave to us?

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Because I don't have that anymore.

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And you're saying that a lot of work's been done in six months.

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This was my, this was my concern six months ago and still my concern, and I just am not sure how it changed.

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I don't know if I have the very first one, but I have one that's marked from April.

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You remember the date?

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And I don't, and I honestly, I totally respect the fact that the school board is already voted, but that is just a matter of timing.

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And you can't come to City Council and say, hey, it might be $15 million of the city's money, but school board is already voted so there can't be any changes.

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I am 100% not comfortable with that.

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And I just want to, so I'm not being misunderstood.

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The public doesn't think that's what I said.

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That is not what I'm saying.

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The fees is such a small portion compared to the $14.9 million

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is absolutely your concern.

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These fees are not going to pay back $14.9 million.

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And if I may say so, you're on, right?

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I mean, I think that's for Steve Smith's answer.

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But you're not going to pay back $14.9 million

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with $10 of the charge at the door.

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Well, no, we're not.

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But we are going to be taking on a whole new budget line item to staff this to clean it.

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You know this.

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You've said it to me before.

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You said, well, that's going to all get taken up by those fees.

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Well, possibly most of it will.

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But I want everything beyond that to go to paying this back.

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I want to do everything we can in our power to make sure that this is so financially tight

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that we recover that 15 million plus our costs every year to run it in a responsible way.

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And I don't, I think if you, if you want to change that first sentence to district sponsored

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activities at the GMS gym, that might make more sense to me, but if you don't, I think it

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conflicts with the city establishing a fee for the community courts, because they're part

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the community learning centers and in that paragraph we have two people setting

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these schedules for the same space where the intake of fees is supposed to

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come back to the city to offset a finance like humongous financial

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commitment that we're making and I think there's confusion there and no do I

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think this is ever going to be for a judge probably not and I appreciate all the

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hard work that goes into it I realized that you guys were had the responsibility

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for dealing with many, many, many, many different details other than the fee schedule and the

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things that have to do with money. And I'm sure my fellow council people may differ in their

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view of this, but to me, my biggest responsibility here is to make sure it's financially as

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tight as it can be and not subject to interpretation. Ms. Barry, can I add a comment? Sure.

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Thank you.

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To go off your sentiment, I'm totally in accordance with you that we want to be as

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physically responsible as possible and do our due diligence to get this as much money

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back as we can.

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And I totally hear you out on all of this, and frankly, even I was a little lost in the

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same regard that you are, and I think that there could potentially be some clarification.

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But like when I reread this a few times and of course I'm not a lawyer so it's you know this kind of stuff's not you know second nature to me

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But I kind of looked at like the first two senses here almost like a pair in the second two senses almost like a pair and I kind of like seemed to help clear things up for me

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So you know

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The city and correct me if I'm wrong because I'm shooting from the hip here, right?

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But the city and the board are both going to share these facilities so the first sentence is saying that

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But the city is going to establish the fees for the events we put on at any and all of

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the facilities that we share.

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And the board's in this.

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On Saturday, please, for anything they sponsor any and all the facilities we share.

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Government notices are kind of separate, which is saying that the board will establish the fee schedule for their portion,

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which is the GMS

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I don't know if it helps you, but that's kind of how I like it.

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I've read it many times, I'm super clear on what it says,

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but I appreciate hearing your perspective.

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I still see a conflict there.

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I do see ways to remedy it and language that can be placed in

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to take the conflict out.

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I appreciate that to you it seems super clear to me,

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there's still a conflict between two segments of this clause.

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So I appreciate that.

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Does anybody else have any questions about this particular part

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of the agreement?

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Ms. Bavit.

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Thank you very much.

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I appreciate your very specific questions on it.

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I view this agreement really as a broad agreement between two entities to agree.

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It's an agreement to agree and to work together and to come up with specific documents that are supplement to this agreement.

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Like a shared use agreement which will go through and greater detail how the two parties will operate on the day-to-day basis.

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But that this document really isn't meant to get into that kind of detail, rather establish some rights.

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And it talks about the rights of both parties to establish fees, that there's a responsibility to work together to really just establish those rights and work together.

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That's really all this, as I see it, this agreement is intended to do, and then be more specific with the supplementary agreements like to share use.

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So I think it makes sense to me that you would have these declarations of rights and then fill

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in the blanks as we move along.

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I understand, as Ms. Babbot points out, there may be conflict issues or we're working on

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a, and he's working together in a way that we haven't quite done in the past.

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But I think this agreement can be amended, and we have the ability to work together and tweak

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things as the circumstances arise.

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So I think it makes sense to me that it's very broad

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and that the specifics are gonna be dealt with

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in other documents.

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Thank you, Mr. Yergen.

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I don't agree with you.

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I think that this is exactly the point in the program

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where we deal with these important clauses

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in a contract that's not just really like a kind of general thing

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that says, hey, let's work together

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and have something that we share.

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I mean, it is that and that is how it will play out

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as we use it.

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But at the end of the day, this is a contract and this says who's responsible to do what and why and how and all that and it and it's being presented to us in legislation where we agree that the city will take on 14.9 million dollars in debt to do this.

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So to me it's a lot more than hey we're just going to work together because we know that we are.

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I just think we have an obligation as a city council to make sure the agreement is as specific

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and clear about anything monetary that we can. I think if we viewed contracts as just kind of things

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We're like, we're like, we're like, we're together, you know, we would leave leaving things way too broad and we would be leaving ourselves and the schools would be leaving themselves open to a lot of different interpretations of the document that govern the relationship.

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So, what I would say, can I just suggest one thing, and I know you're bound and determined not to change this agreement.

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But if you would just take these sentences, that Mr. Peters was referring to when he was talking about how he gleaned his understanding of this, and get something in that part of the clause that talks about the shared use agreement and how these fee schedules and their implementation would be subject to the shared use agreement, I think it'd be better off.

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Because even though we do talk about the shared use agreement in section 6.2, we only talk

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00:34:24,620 --> 00:34:33,940
about it as it applies to paying maintenance, utility, custodial kind of obligations

430
00:34:34,940 --> 00:34:38,200
or costs that are going to rise through having the facility.

431
00:34:38,660 --> 00:34:45,280
I think if you move language about the shared use agreement up into the first part of the

432
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,280
I think that it's covered.

433
00:34:48,140 --> 00:34:50,220
So, a couple of things.

434
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,860
One is you to ask me what changed since this was originally introduced to the council.

435
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,980
I did not have a copy of that.

436
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,460
Now, she's probably taken it from me now.

437
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:04,460
I don't know where it went, but she had the December 2022 version.

438
00:35:04,820 --> 00:35:08,160
And I noticed that paragraph had not changed at all.

439
00:35:08,260 --> 00:35:13,080
So, I just asked Wayne to go upstairs and get me the original agreement.

440
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:21,900
So the original CLC agreement from 2004, which was passed by council in 2004, September of 2004,

441
00:35:22,780 --> 00:35:24,200
has this exact language.

442
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,440
This language has been in place for the past 20 years.

443
00:35:29,060 --> 00:35:34,000
This fee language is the replica of what we have here.

444
00:35:34,380 --> 00:35:35,420
That's what I was afraid of.

445
00:35:35,420 --> 00:35:43,040
I figured it probably came from something old that didn't apply to something that applies to

446
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:47,820
What we're doing here, we have never had, at least there's nothing in the city that I know

447
00:35:47,820 --> 00:35:52,360
of that's comparable to the Community Court's facility that would be used in the same

448
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:52,920
way.

449
00:35:53,180 --> 00:35:57,460
I think what, I mean, obviously a community learning center agreement wouldn't apply to this

450
00:35:57,460 --> 00:36:04,140
building, but this is what, at least in my understanding is a resident of green for a while.

451
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:09,620
This is the shared use that would give us the best thing to build off of.

452
00:36:09,620 --> 00:36:11,960
Even though we have community learning centers,

453
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,160
we have never had a facility like this community court,

454
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:16,880
so it's going to be used by both parties

455
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,460
and the way that this is.

456
00:36:19,060 --> 00:36:21,860
So, except that we did add the GMS gym

457
00:36:21,860 --> 00:36:23,400
because that is different.

458
00:36:24,020 --> 00:36:26,780
And, except that we add, as will be further provided

459
00:36:26,780 --> 00:36:28,160
for in the shared use agreement,

460
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,060
because to your point, it is different in that way.

461
00:36:31,420 --> 00:36:34,380
And this was exactly my issue with that contract,

462
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:35,840
the first time that I saw it.

463
00:36:35,900 --> 00:36:37,500
And the second thing I wanted to say,

464
00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:41,960
And again, you will recognize that I've said this before.

465
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,440
I am the lawyer for the city, which means the administration.

466
00:36:46,780 --> 00:36:48,060
It also means the council.

467
00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:49,960
There are seven council members.

468
00:36:50,460 --> 00:36:53,940
I am not willing to make a change based upon one person's requirement.

469
00:36:54,140 --> 00:36:55,260
And I've done that before.

470
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,300
It's not just been this time.

471
00:36:57,380 --> 00:36:59,300
I've done that before when it's been legislation.

472
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,480
And I get directions from one person wanting one thing.

473
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:04,300
And six others wanting something else.

474
00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:09,900
I'm I'm I'd be frank. I'm just not willing to change that so that's a consensus that everybody

475
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:14,540
I'm Council wants this to be changed and that means then and we have to go back to the drawing board

476
00:37:14,540 --> 00:37:17,280
I have to go back to school boards

477
00:37:18,260 --> 00:37:26,640
Council and rewrite this legislator rewrite the agreement right it absolutely means that and I am not directing you to make any changes

478
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:33,680
What I said was the conflict I see and the problem that I see with the clause is easily changed and

479
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:42,960
and made clear by putting in the language that the shared use of

480
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,700
agreement governs the setting of those fee schedules.

481
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:52,120
Now, if that is too much work and the council doesn't want that change to be made,

482
00:37:52,140 --> 00:37:54,840
that's fine, but I've done what I needed to do here,

483
00:37:55,500 --> 00:38:00,420
because I wouldn't be true to my background or what I know if I didn't bring this up.

484
00:38:00,420 --> 00:38:05,880
I'm certainly not directing you to do anything, but I am making the point that I needed

485
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,000
to make about the fee schedules.

486
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:16,220
So, are there any other questions about the agreement or concerns or comments?

487
00:38:16,940 --> 00:38:19,200
I got a question, that's for Mr. Smith.

488
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:24,920
So as you read this and you see this, let's say an auditor, we're going in and we're doing

489
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,320
not it.

490
00:38:28,500 --> 00:38:32,920
And the law director just pointed out that this goes back to our agreement was learning

491
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:39,980
centers from 2004. Has there ever been a question about the income that may have come in

492
00:38:39,980 --> 00:38:44,840
that shows on our side or shows on the school side in an audit? Has there ever been a problem?

493
00:38:44,980 --> 00:38:50,260
None that I'm aware of since none's the type in here and none that I'm aware of part of that.

494
00:38:50,260 --> 00:38:58,860
And so going back to the Learning Center as a 2004, we have done what, like with the primary school and things like that.

495
00:38:59,460 --> 00:39:02,660
So, and you're saying this exact same language as in that agreement.

496
00:39:03,140 --> 00:39:06,960
Yes, or other than we did add the GMS gym because that's a little bit of different.

497
00:39:07,100 --> 00:39:13,520
And we added in that we'll be further provided for in the shared use agreement because they're still working on that part of it as you heard her talk about.

498
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:14,700
All right. Thanks.

499
00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:24,320
That leads me to another question and so based on the 2004 agreement, what school facilities operate like what we're anticipating with the Community Courts project?

500
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,760
Where does the City of Greens set a fee schedule for any of these community learning centers?

501
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:36,550
You take a fee, you take a fee at Pickleball?

502
00:39:36,830 --> 00:39:39,770
Yeah, as they do in the school gym, right?

503
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:43,130
Adult basketball, pickleball.

504
00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:46,960
We take a fee.

505
00:39:48,700 --> 00:39:52,100
And I don't know, there's never been a problem that I'm aware of.

506
00:39:52,540 --> 00:40:00,520
So you take fees for community leagues or whatever that are using the school's gems under the agreement.

507
00:40:00,980 --> 00:40:02,780
And we really don't make money.

508
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:10,320
So I mean, we're just covering, like, so we have to buy t-shirts and, like, a trophy or whatever their prize is.

509
00:40:10,540 --> 00:40:13,420
We set the fees so that we break even.

510
00:40:13,420 --> 00:40:17,260
Okay, so I'm just going to make the point and that's a good question.

511
00:40:17,580 --> 00:40:20,320
It's nice, it's nice to understand where this comes from.

512
00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:22,380
I'm going to make the same point I made before.

513
00:40:22,820 --> 00:40:24,860
This is completely different than that.

514
00:40:25,300 --> 00:40:31,740
This is completely, this is a facility that's going to be used in a completely different way,

515
00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:34,620
with completely different responsibilities for maintaining it.

516
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:40,080
The schools, I'm assuming that do you do any of these things during the summer, any of these leagues?

517
00:40:45,740 --> 00:40:50,640
Well, I guess it depends how you define summer, any time when school is not in session.

518
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,880
Well, do you have any, do you do any of our day camps or anything use school facilities?

519
00:40:55,140 --> 00:40:56,780
Yes, so there would be an example.

520
00:40:56,780 --> 00:40:59,300
Do you do our cooking camp out of the high school?

521
00:41:00,260 --> 00:41:01,660
But other than that, not really.

522
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:06,400
I mean, there's some things that probably cross over before school is out.

523
00:41:06,940 --> 00:41:14,420
Like we might have a few, I think volleyball or one of them goes and finishes up after school is out.

524
00:41:14,420 --> 00:41:18,580
Okay, you know what, we're gonna, and I shouldn't have even asked that question to the point.

525
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,580
We can't absolutely, we do use the school for day camp purposes.

526
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:25,420
That we collect a fee for.

527
00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:28,420
Actually, more accurately, we use the CLCs.

528
00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:30,000
Correct.

529
00:41:30,300 --> 00:41:32,060
Sorry, it would be a CLC right.

530
00:41:34,350 --> 00:41:40,450
From what I know about CLCs and the way that we plan to use the Community Courts facility,

531
00:41:40,450 --> 00:41:48,990
It's something far more different elaborate and detailed than the way we use green high school as a CLC.

532
00:41:49,330 --> 00:41:56,530
Well, I think that's why it's important that we have a shared use agreement, which we don't really have for these other CLCs because they're not maybe as elaborate.

533
00:41:56,830 --> 00:41:59,150
That's the whole point of having a shared use agreement.

534
00:41:59,690 --> 00:42:03,910
I'm 100% with you, which is why I'm saying exactly the only thing that I'm saying.

535
00:42:04,190 --> 00:42:07,130
Put that language where it belongs in this paragraph.

536
00:42:07,130 --> 00:42:12,450
I mean, it belongs where it is, but mentioned it again with regard to the fee schedules.

537
00:42:13,310 --> 00:42:18,290
Look, this is too much detail, and if the rest of the council here does not believe this is important,

538
00:42:18,290 --> 00:42:20,730
we can certainly move on from it.

539
00:42:22,430 --> 00:42:26,750
But that's what your point Valerie, as exactly the point I'm going to say.

540
00:42:26,750 --> 00:42:30,390
But I guess my point also is that not to argue, but it's here.

541
00:42:30,990 --> 00:42:36,430
It's not, it's only there with regard to how the fees will be used.

542
00:42:36,430 --> 00:42:46,450
It's only there with regard to the fact that the fees will be governed, how they're used will be governed by the shared use of agreement, not how they're taken in.

543
00:42:47,050 --> 00:42:48,450
And that is my point.

544
00:42:48,570 --> 00:42:48,810
Okay.

545
00:42:49,010 --> 00:42:49,590
In a nutshell.

546
00:42:51,170 --> 00:42:56,410
Are there any other questions about the agreement that don't relate to the fee schedule?

547
00:42:57,370 --> 00:42:57,910
Madam Chair.

548
00:42:59,550 --> 00:43:06,910
But my only common is that my view on this is not that I don't think the comment and analysis

549
00:43:06,910 --> 00:43:07,630
is important.

550
00:43:08,190 --> 00:43:12,430
It's just that I think my understanding of how this agreement works is it's a broad

551
00:43:12,430 --> 00:43:17,530
declaration of rights between the parties and the specifics of how the machinery works

552
00:43:17,530 --> 00:43:21,130
are going to be in more detailed contracts that the parties are going to continue to work

553
00:43:21,130 --> 00:43:27,390
on as this situation develops and so it's not really meant to be an overly specific document.

554
00:43:27,390 --> 00:43:34,370
It allows for the parties to negotiate and work together on those specifics as time rolls through.

555
00:43:34,650 --> 00:43:36,710
And that's why this works for me.

556
00:43:36,930 --> 00:43:37,470
Thank you.

557
00:43:37,650 --> 00:43:38,150
Thank you.

558
00:43:38,250 --> 00:43:38,790
And you're right.

559
00:43:38,970 --> 00:43:41,950
And the way that the parties will do that is through the shared use agreement,

560
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:45,370
which is why I think something is important about,

561
00:43:45,710 --> 00:43:48,710
as how the fees are set up for use of the facility,

562
00:43:49,370 --> 00:43:53,490
should state specifically that it will be covered in the shared use agreement.

563
00:43:53,490 --> 00:43:56,290
So we're right on the same page there.

564
00:43:57,690 --> 00:43:59,750
Anybody else have anything on the contract?

565
00:44:02,140 --> 00:44:04,340
Ms. Fayette, I just wanted to make sure you knew,

566
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,820
obviously the architect is here as well.

567
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,500
They were going to do a short presentation

568
00:44:09,100 --> 00:44:11,120
that maybe we should have mentioned right away.

569
00:44:11,260 --> 00:44:12,860
Oh, nobody told me it's not an idea.

570
00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:15,680
So I would like them to still be able to do that

571
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,240
just because I think to your point,

572
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,900
we're spending $14.9 million on this facility

573
00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:23,100
and I think what they'll show tonight

574
00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:30,820
It really gives a great overview of what is expected, and we'll actually walk through the building, so with them.

575
00:44:31,260 --> 00:44:34,940
The wonderful. If I had known, I would have asked them to come up at the beginning of our committee meeting.

576
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:35,580
I'm sorry.

577
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:38,320
I didn't know what to say.

578
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:39,860
I didn't know what to say.

579
00:44:39,860 --> 00:44:42,240
I didn't know what to say.

580
00:44:42,260 --> 00:44:47,800
That's the reason why we're still talking about this piece of legislation.

581
00:44:48,700 --> 00:44:50,100
Why don't you come and give us your presentation?

582
00:44:59,360 --> 00:44:59,980
Take your minute.

583
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:13,720
I'm sorry. I think everyone knows you, but maybe not. So, because you just said you're a dose yourself, thank you.

584
00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:22,220
Sure, I'm a Linda Schelfaro from Seoul here's the architecture I'm a principal there and kind of managing both your project and the schools project.

585
00:45:22,220 --> 00:45:27,960
project. So, I've been working with the school district since last summer and then you

586
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:34,080
guys since you approved our initial agreement. So, since we saw you guys last time I

587
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:39,360
know Valerie gave a little bit of an update at your last meeting, but we wanted to kind

588
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:45,580
of go in more detail as you mentioned and show you the 3D model. So, we have been meeting

589
00:45:45,580 --> 00:45:50,980
with your stakeholders. We've had follow up meetings with both the school district and

590
00:45:50,980 --> 00:45:58,960
city and really can end also the sports groups and have continued to refine the design based

591
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:05,180
on all the input that we're receiving. So we are kind of a milestone now, I'll talk kind

592
00:46:05,180 --> 00:46:10,800
of high level about schedule. So we're at a milestone right now that we call design development.

593
00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:16,100
So we just turned over another set of documents to him and construction, who is the construction

594
00:46:16,100 --> 00:46:21,900
manager at risk on the project, both their office and our office are going through a cost

595
00:46:21,900 --> 00:46:26,500
estimating process right now, which is to kind of another set of checks and balances

596
00:46:26,500 --> 00:46:29,920
to make sure the project is designed at budget.

597
00:46:30,460 --> 00:46:35,840
So we're going through that process this summer, but we're at a point now where we've really

598
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:41,900
developed and refined the design and are able to kind of show you a 3D model kind of walk

599
00:46:41,900 --> 00:46:45,620
through of this space, what the materials will look like,

600
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,000
how the aesthetics of the building are working

601
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,780
and how the building is functioning.

602
00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:54,340
So I'll turn it over to Andrew to kind of walk you through

603
00:46:54,340 --> 00:46:54,880
the building.

604
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:57,120
Awesome.

605
00:46:57,220 --> 00:46:59,040
Again, as Melinda said, I'm Andrew Lothin.

606
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,620
I'm also a partner at Soul Harris Day Architects.

607
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:04,560
And we've got the model shown up here on the screen.

608
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,640
So if you're familiar with the floor plans,

609
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,840
we'll kind of go a 3D through the model real quick

610
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,180
and then you can jump to the plans

611
00:47:12,180 --> 00:47:13,840
and then show you a few exterior renderings

612
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,840
that I think were presented with the last council meeting.

613
00:47:17,420 --> 00:47:18,500
But just to orient yourself,

614
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,140
pieces at the south end of the screen

615
00:47:21,140 --> 00:47:24,700
that you see the three entrances to the site

616
00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:27,120
are basically where they're at currently.

617
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,200
You can see the wet land there at the bottom left hand

618
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,240
part of the screen.

619
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:36,220
So we're really looking to identify those three access points

620
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,000
for obviously the different types of access

621
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,400
on the west hand side, which is on the left.

622
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,280
that'll be the bus access to the middle school,

623
00:47:44,340 --> 00:47:45,420
that center drive.

624
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,600
It's kind of a bowl of our condition there, right off of Steece

625
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,660
and right there at the main entry.

626
00:47:50,740 --> 00:47:53,920
You'll see that large parking lot, the left-hand side,

627
00:47:54,180 --> 00:47:58,440
is dedicated towards the school parking for visitors and staff.

628
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,380
The right-hand side would be more for the community courts.

629
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,660
And with that, also the right-hand side,

630
00:48:06,660 --> 00:48:11,340
which is the east would really, or largely intact,

631
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,480
keep a lot of the parking that's to the east

632
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:14,880
out of the intermediate school.

633
00:48:15,460 --> 00:48:17,940
The main difference is, as bulldog bull of art,

634
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,260
currently by sex, the site,

635
00:48:21,020 --> 00:48:23,640
we're actually gonna be starting some early site work here

636
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,740
like this summer to go ahead and relocate bulldog bull of art.

637
00:48:26,780 --> 00:48:28,380
So kind of right where the cursor is,

638
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,200
moving east and west there,

639
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,700
gonna create kind of a three way intersection condition,

640
00:48:34,220 --> 00:48:35,280
right where the cursor is,

641
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:43,800
And then it'll head east towards the north side of the tennis courts, and then it'll go ahead and head south there on Stease as well.

642
00:48:43,820 --> 00:48:45,760
So tennis courts will remain intact.

643
00:48:47,020 --> 00:48:50,000
And yeah, that's kind of the overall psych practice fields.

644
00:48:50,620 --> 00:48:57,060
We'll maintain the one that's currently there, and then really you shift the other one to the north behind the bus parking area.

645
00:48:58,380 --> 00:49:02,840
We'll go ahead and zoom in a little bit here, so just to give you some orientation.

646
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:08,680
the middle school is obviously more on the left-hand side of the screen, the community court

647
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:17,760
stare on the right-hand side, and the parking lot area here that also serve as like a queue or

648
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:22,700
staging area for a student drop off there in the morning, but then right here the parking lot

649
00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:27,780
the main entry would be kind of right there where the cursor is. Materials on the exterior,

650
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:32,240
we're showing two different colors of brick. We have a black brick that you see on the left-hand

651
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:40,160
side, which that former area will go inside and see are the two studio spaces within the building.

652
00:49:40,700 --> 00:49:47,160
And then we have a red brick that is a large portion on the east side, and that large

653
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:51,680
glass area, a two-story space that's the main entry into the community courts there.

654
00:49:52,980 --> 00:49:59,580
As we kind of circle around the building on the outside, so right now those vertical windows

655
00:49:59,580 --> 00:50:04,880
that you see that's a cowl material, it's a translucent material that allows diffuse natural light

656
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:09,620
into those gym spaces, but it doesn't provide that harsh light that you would get from just

657
00:50:09,620 --> 00:50:14,840
a normal glass window, so thinking especially in the basketball court areas and all the other

658
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:20,240
activities right there in the front, and as we continue around, we have those same punched openings

659
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:25,580
up on the upper level that would be all the way around the court as well. That black form right there

660
00:50:25,580 --> 00:50:32,480
the middle of the facade on the east side that's a exit stair that exits off of that elevated

661
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:41,100
track and as we continue to turn around the back side there's some access also into that

662
00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:47,420
turf field area so if we zoom in we have an overhead garage door there and then also an exit

663
00:50:47,420 --> 00:50:54,620
out of the north side of the turf field area where the glass is as well so that gives you kind of

664
00:50:54,620 --> 00:51:01,180
A good idea of the exterior and then we'll kind of go in through the front door. I guess before we do that

665
00:51:01,180 --> 00:51:03,240
We're also seeing a

666
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:12,940
Like a green roof up on the right above the studios there, so again the potential to have some tables or some small events up there some vegetation and

667
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:20,300
Yeah, kind of like a little roof patio area. So when we enter in the building right here on the south side

668
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:26,780
We've got a main vestibule and a window just to the left that kind of looks into at the

669
00:51:26,780 --> 00:51:31,840
office area and then once we walk through this space we have a control area with a check

670
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:40,640
in desk. So within that check in desk in control area, obviously having the ability to pass through

671
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:47,520
that's a two-story space that you see there. So we have a little, I guess, just walkway up on the top,

672
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:52,200
Which would connect to the community track and then right here on the the first level

673
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:56,100
We have a little kind of like waiting area lounge area right now

674
00:51:56,100 --> 00:52:01,680
We're again as one didn't mention we're in this design development. So we're still meeting with the city to go ahead and

675
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:06,160
Review all of the interior concepts color palette and stuff like that

676
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,380
So right now we're kind of showing a little seating area

677
00:52:08,380 --> 00:52:15,540
I'm some wall graphics some of those sports balls that you see on that wall and then if we go down this hallway here

678
00:52:15,540 --> 00:52:20,840
You'll see some vending there on the left hand side, some day lockers on the right hand side.

679
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:26,460
So if you're there for a couple of hours being able to put your personal items in those lockers.

680
00:52:26,540 --> 00:52:29,340
And then we have two studio spaces there on the left hand side.

681
00:52:29,860 --> 00:52:35,400
So when we walk into that studio space, you can see that there's an operable partition within that room.

682
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,120
That operable partition, you can go ahead and close and make it two smaller spaces.

683
00:52:39,580 --> 00:52:41,520
Or again, it can function as a large space.

684
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:53,520
We have some mirrors on the north side of that room with some TV display that allow for different types of classes or exercises that might go on within that studio space.

685
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:58,860
Right here at the end of the hallway, that is like an emergency exit only that would exit out towards the middle school.

686
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:06,640
And then on the left hand side of this hallway of the main group restrooms, we have the men's and women's and then a center like family and restroom.

687
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:11,820
and then right here this door would lead to the middle school gym. So the middle school gym,

688
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:18,040
you can see that again we have no visual access to that middle school gym. I'm kind of created

689
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:23,260
like a vestibule condition too. So thinking about you know when the school day is going on,

690
00:53:23,740 --> 00:53:27,640
that gym there's no visual connection to that space but then after hours or during the weekend

691
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,760
being able to open that up and access the gym from this hallway.

692
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:38,740
If we continue down the hallway here, we can go straight into the, I guess, court area.

693
00:53:39,980 --> 00:53:40,740
Oh, I love it yet.

694
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,240
So that's good point elevator there on the left hand side.

695
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,020
So again, that elevator would go ahead and get access up to the walking track

696
00:53:47,020 --> 00:53:48,760
to the second level as well.

697
00:53:49,660 --> 00:53:51,760
And then the hallway, just to the left, that moment,

698
00:53:52,060 --> 00:53:54,200
that was a point down, that hallway would take you to the

699
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,840
turf field area on the north side.

700
00:53:57,660 --> 00:54:00,460
Within the court area, again I know we're still working through

701
00:54:00,460 --> 00:54:07,100
design, court markings, layouts, we'll continue to refine this in terms of the court

702
00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:13,360
marking color and all the court paint colors as well within this space, but currently within

703
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:18,860
this court area, to the bottom of the structure of 23 feet, so that meets the regulation

704
00:54:18,860 --> 00:54:25,000
for volleyball use. Within that space, we also have a main basketball court, but then also

705
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:30,260
two full-size cross-court, so the two full-size cross-court for 50 by 84. Then you can see

706
00:54:30,260 --> 00:54:32,160
that we have bleachers on both sides.

707
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,640
So again, if we have two basketball games going on,

708
00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:37,120
we have a center curtain that would drop

709
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,540
and then also the viewing from bleachers

710
00:54:39,540 --> 00:54:42,940
on both the East and West baseline.

711
00:54:45,060 --> 00:54:46,660
It would also be marks for volleyball.

712
00:54:46,980 --> 00:54:49,180
So we have a tick marks in there for that.

713
00:54:49,220 --> 00:54:51,060
Obviously, you see the pickle ball there,

714
00:54:51,340 --> 00:54:53,600
the basketball side court markings as well.

715
00:54:54,580 --> 00:54:55,880
And then those two doors that you see

716
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,340
on the North hand side, that would be for storage,

717
00:54:59,340 --> 00:55:03,520
equipment storage. So again, just thinking about many of the sports can be played in this

718
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:07,340
space, but then also in the turf field area. We go into the turf field area. You also

719
00:55:07,340 --> 00:55:12,340
see some doors that would access that central storage area. So we all of the storage for

720
00:55:13,500 --> 00:55:16,620
all the sporting events that would go on would be housing that center area.

721
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:22,560
We've talked to the city about potentially putting some sort of donor wall here in the

722
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:26,860
left hand side of this hallways. You kind of go back. You can also see, I'm in the floor.

723
00:55:26,860 --> 00:55:33,100
We have a design kind of some, I guess, markings that go into linear distance, so again if

724
00:55:33,100 --> 00:55:37,340
there's maybe some spreading exercises that could be isolated to that area, and then

725
00:55:37,340 --> 00:55:42,740
we also have some small cubbies, bench, and hooks here in this space, so talking with many

726
00:55:42,740 --> 00:55:49,820
of the use sports groups, just thinking about bags or gear that the athletes have just

727
00:55:49,820 --> 00:55:53,800
being able to go ahead and have a place to go and put that, and again it's visually, you

728
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:59,480
you know accessible from that turf field area. You can kind of see the netting that goes around there

729
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:04,200
so kind of to define that corner even though it's kind of open. We're providing that

730
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:10,820
sports netting to go ahead and keep all of the balls contained to this turf field area. Within this

731
00:56:10,820 --> 00:56:16,500
area we're also showing that indoor turf grass and then you can see the soccer goals on each each side

732
00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:21,920
and then those are those two wood doors that you kind of see that's access to that center storage area

733
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:29,060
And you can also see the elevated walking track then all the way around the perimeter of this space as well.

734
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:35,960
So again, that walking track spans not only the turf field area, but also the community court space as well.

735
00:56:38,550 --> 00:56:39,330
So what kind of...

736
00:56:39,330 --> 00:56:42,030
Andrew, you just went through a couple of nets in the middle, in the middle.

737
00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:43,130
You met one of these flying nets.

738
00:56:43,570 --> 00:56:45,290
So there are some nets right there in the middle.

739
00:56:45,850 --> 00:56:47,690
And so we had talked with, especially baseball.

740
00:56:47,870 --> 00:56:48,910
So those are batting cages.

741
00:56:49,470 --> 00:56:52,290
The ability to go ahead and drop down those batting cage nets.

742
00:56:52,290 --> 00:56:54,470
So again, that would be when they're not in use,

743
00:56:54,930 --> 00:56:58,530
it would just be taking up to the structure level up above.

744
00:56:59,130 --> 00:57:01,730
So not only would we have four batting cage nets,

745
00:57:01,770 --> 00:57:04,050
I believe the size is about 50 by 14,

746
00:57:04,110 --> 00:57:05,810
or sorry, 15 by 40.

747
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:09,370
And then we would also have a separate center net

748
00:57:09,370 --> 00:57:10,970
that would divide that space also

749
00:57:10,970 --> 00:57:13,630
in the two separate spaces within the third field area.

750
00:57:14,210 --> 00:57:17,450
So again, the ability, whether it's breaking a baseball team

751
00:57:17,450 --> 00:57:19,630
or a lacrosse team in the two separate areas,

752
00:57:20,250 --> 00:57:22,930
or two separate teams to be able to use that space.

753
00:57:25,580 --> 00:57:30,980
Going to go up the stairs here and we'll get a visual of the walking track.

754
00:57:31,580 --> 00:57:33,940
So again, the walking track spans this turf field area,

755
00:57:34,140 --> 00:57:36,440
and then also the court area as well.

756
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,740
You kind of see the doors on the other side if one depends left.

757
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,520
Those are the doors that exit out on that east side near the tennis courts.

758
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,020
So again, that's just an emergency exit only.

759
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,360
Through a lot of the planning too, we've talked about

760
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:54,700
if there are ever, you know, future expansion and just thinking through those things and how we would

761
00:57:54,700 --> 00:58:01,160
able to then utilize the main lobby and get access to a potentially an addition, that could

762
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:06,560
happen. So that would really happen below this seating area in the storage space and then that could

763
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:11,320
be added on later as well. Another thing to point out here in between the walking track on this

764
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:18,780
tour field side, we have elevated viewing area for parents and then we also have this place here too.

765
00:58:18,780 --> 00:58:24,720
So if there were indoor soccer event going on, again, just where the platform is and the viewing

766
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,860
with these bleachers, obviously you see the North Pole, but it would just be cameras

767
00:58:28,860 --> 00:58:33,800
to go and project that image of the South Pole up on those TV displays there as well.

768
00:58:36,900 --> 00:58:42,940
And then we'll go ahead and head south here, you can see some window cutouts kind of along

769
00:58:42,940 --> 00:58:49,180
this space, and I know we had talked about potentially getting that into the upper level on

770
00:58:49,180 --> 00:58:53,840
south hand side too, just for the walking track. Maybe we have a little bit more visual to the

771
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:58,880
outside that way. It's just not that translucent material you have something visually to look at.

772
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:05,320
And then if we take, I was going to say, right here we have some views down into the main lobby,

773
00:59:05,820 --> 00:59:09,900
and then this would be the main doors or main access to that walking track above.

774
00:59:10,300 --> 00:59:15,760
So if we, yep, pants of the left and look, you can see the main entrance right there in that

775
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:22,840
So then from really that circulation desk, visual not only through those windows into the

776
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,880
community court gym, kind of have a line of sight down the hallway to the third field area,

777
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:31,120
but then also up here on that elevated balcony that takes you to the walking track.

778
00:59:32,060 --> 00:59:37,020
Up here on the second level we have the drinking fountain on the right with a bottle filler.

779
00:59:37,380 --> 00:59:40,400
I also have single use restrooms there on the right hand side.

780
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:46,820
And then obviously, if you use right here to that green roof patio up here on the right

781
00:59:46,820 --> 00:59:47,760
above the studio,

782
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:53,150
and if we head down these steps, we're kind of right where we started.

783
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:59,970
Andrew, to clarify, that the green roof is a concept that we want to have, think,

784
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,440
Think about it may not be fully developed at this time. Correct. So that was one of those things as we were kind of progressing through the meetings.

785
01:00:07,740 --> 01:00:16,040
It was one of those ideas that were floated out there and again, we're showing that. Again, we're going through that design development estimate right now.

786
01:00:16,140 --> 01:00:19,080
And those are one of those items that we've kind of identified that could be an alternate.

787
01:00:20,140 --> 01:00:29,520
But as we get through that process of estimating with him and though it would be one of those things that we would basically account for the load.

788
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:43,400
of it being a green roof in the future, we would design the structure that way, but from day one if it didn't happen is if that alternate was not accepted then we would at least have the ability that all the structures designed to handle that in the future.

789
01:00:43,740 --> 01:00:51,340
And also the main roof, the large roof, we're designing to perhaps add solar panels someday, so I just wanted to bring that up as well.

790
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,360
Correct, he is designing that structure to be solar ready as well.

791
01:00:54,360 --> 01:01:00,080
So if we're an option in the future to go ahead and add those panels, again, the structure is designed to go ahead and handle that load.

792
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:07,600
All right. Well, thank you. That's very exciting. I'm sorry. I had no idea that you had this in store for us.

793
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:15,940
I would have asked you guys to go first, but that's super exciting to get to see the building and that and walk through it that way.

794
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:24,040
I just had one question, at some point when you were walking us around upstairs, you said that

795
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:28,900
there was potential for expansion, but I was confused about where...

796
01:01:28,900 --> 01:01:31,260
Yep, so...

797
01:01:31,260 --> 01:01:36,320
A lot of times when we go through design, it's one of those things that you don't want to kind of limit yourself

798
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,420
for something that may happen in the future.

799
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,900
So Melinda is going to zoom in on that storage area.

800
01:01:40,900 --> 01:01:50,060
So it's kind of that lighter shade green right there that separates the community or the court space on the south and the turf field area to the north

801
01:01:50,060 --> 01:01:58,160
So if there ever were you know the possibility to expand this facility really we would just convert that storage space into a hallway

802
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:03,400
And that would provide further connection into additional courts which would be on the east side

803
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,180
I understand now thank you

804
01:02:05,180 --> 01:02:08,820
And Ms. Bavit, that's like not going to happen tomorrow, but we wanted to have that

805
01:02:08,820 --> 01:02:13,720
building in case, you know, maybe the tennis courts outside would move at some point in

806
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:18,740
that we're allow for some expansion, you know, maybe 10 years down the line, 20 years

807
01:02:18,740 --> 01:02:23,700
down line, whatever it might be, but if you don't have a hallway accounted for now, this

808
01:02:23,700 --> 01:02:26,580
just makes it a lot easier. And we can use it for storage right now.

809
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:31,340
Oh, right, yeah. Now I didn't think it was, yeah. I figured you weren't going to come back

810
01:02:31,340 --> 01:02:32,100
six months.

811
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:40,740
But that is interesting to me. And I just couldn't picture. I got it. It's

812
01:02:40,740 --> 01:02:46,160
just anybody on the committee. Well Mr. Yergen, do you have any questions or anything for the

813
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:50,720
architects? Thank you Madam Chair. First of all, I think this is a great presentation. I didn't

814
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:56,480
know you could really see a 3D walkthrough of a facility that doesn't exist yet. That's terrific.

815
01:02:56,980 --> 01:03:02,540
I wonder if this technology can be made available on the website so that residents can do

816
01:03:02,540 --> 01:03:04,860
a self-guided tour at some point.

817
01:03:05,060 --> 01:03:09,580
For sure, we've done operative, I guess other projects in the past were done like a video

818
01:03:09,580 --> 01:03:13,420
fly through and then just hand that over for you to go ahead and be able to post that.

819
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,180
So, almost like you saw it today, would be able to go ahead and put together a presentation

820
01:03:17,180 --> 01:03:17,740
to...

821
01:03:17,740 --> 01:03:18,820
I think it would be very impressive.

822
01:03:19,300 --> 01:03:23,500
I think in my mind, I was checking off a lot of community needs as you're walking

823
01:03:23,500 --> 01:03:29,160
us through this facility and I think people would get generally excited about it if they could

824
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:37,240
see it in that way. One question about the height of the ceiling in the turf section and is

825
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:43,020
the ceiling straight across or is it slanted straight across? So it is a low slope so you'll have

826
01:03:43,020 --> 01:03:47,560
a high end which is actually towards the tennis courts and the low end is towards the interior of

827
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:52,500
the building but at the low end the bottom and the structure you're right about 23 feet to the bottom

828
01:03:52,500 --> 01:03:55,560
of that steel roof joist, so.

829
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:56,580
That's still pretty good.

830
01:03:56,700 --> 01:03:58,080
I mean, I've been in some indoor facilities

831
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,000
where that was a negative for the soccer field.

832
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,600
Kids were hitting the top when they would kick.

833
01:04:03,100 --> 01:04:05,980
And it seems like that that's a good amount of space

834
01:04:07,100 --> 01:04:08,360
for a soccer field.

835
01:04:08,380 --> 01:04:09,100
Thank you.

836
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,360
One thing I failed to mention to that safe,

837
01:04:11,460 --> 01:04:14,000
or I guess sports netting, we had shown on that lower.

838
01:04:14,140 --> 01:04:16,540
It would also be on that upper portion of the walking track.

839
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:20,540
So if there's some sort of practice or something going on,

840
01:04:20,540 --> 01:04:21,860
obviously in the turf field area,

841
01:04:21,860 --> 01:04:24,680
you're not worrying about getting hit with a,

842
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:26,980
yeah, air and ball or something, so.

843
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:28,120
Thank you for that presentation.

844
01:04:28,420 --> 01:04:29,560
I appreciate the technology.

845
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,780
Does anyone else on council have any questions or comments?

846
01:04:33,940 --> 01:04:35,440
Could I address Mr. Yergen?

847
01:04:35,780 --> 01:04:38,700
So one of the things about posting the model online

848
01:04:38,700 --> 01:04:40,980
is that, you know, for example,

849
01:04:41,060 --> 01:04:42,160
when you walked into the building,

850
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,600
there was that that sports display

851
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:45,980
with different kinds of walls.

852
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:48,200
Those, some of those things are concepts.

853
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:58,560
So what we're trying to do is, is post it when there's a reasonable assumption as to this is what we can build and as they said, there's the work on cost estimates.

854
01:04:59,220 --> 01:05:08,100
So we're trying to balance posting it and sharing this wonderful information, but also not setting up false hopes or concepts that can't be followed through.

855
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:15,100
So I just want you to be aware that's something we really like to do, but we're trying to find that the appropriate time to do that.

856
01:05:15,100 --> 01:05:19,520
so people can reasonably expect what they see as well will be built. But the technology is incredible.

857
01:05:20,820 --> 01:05:23,860
I feel like I've been in that building several times and it's pretty cool.

858
01:05:24,140 --> 01:05:25,000
That's great. Thank you for sharing.

859
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:29,700
Thank you, Mayor Nagebauer. Does anybody else on Council have any questions or comments?

860
01:05:29,820 --> 01:05:31,260
I was just going to comment on.

861
01:05:31,340 --> 01:05:33,040
Oh, sorry. You're still thinking about your done.

862
01:05:33,500 --> 01:05:39,520
I just did. I appreciate the waiting till there's some reasonable certainty on the design before it goes public.

863
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,000
That makes sense to me. Thank you.

864
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:46,520
Is anybody on council have any questions or comments about the presentation?

865
01:05:49,770 --> 01:05:50,750
Thank you very much.

866
01:05:51,150 --> 01:05:52,010
Thank you.

867
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:57,030
Unfortunately, I did look at the contract a little more while they were presenting.

868
01:05:57,030 --> 01:06:04,890
And I do have one other request that I'd like to make of the law director as far as changing 6.2 if that is acceptable to the council.

869
01:06:08,190 --> 01:06:14,110
I don't know why I didn't realize it before, but when it talks about the fee schedules that

870
01:06:14,110 --> 01:06:20,770
the city is entitled to establish, it says that we may establish a fee schedule for the community

871
01:06:20,770 --> 01:06:21,730
court's facility.

872
01:06:22,430 --> 01:06:30,510
But earlier, Ms. White's car said that when we had a, you turn them into that sort of thing,

873
01:06:30,510 --> 01:06:37,230
be collecting fees for the use of all the gym areas, which would include the GMS gym.

874
01:06:38,550 --> 01:06:45,710
So actually the contract does not give us the opportunity to establish our own fee schedule

875
01:06:45,710 --> 01:06:46,950
for that gym.

876
01:06:48,950 --> 01:06:50,830
I think she's talking about something you said to you.

877
01:06:51,010 --> 01:06:58,730
Well, again, when we looked at it, if you look at that very first line, the city may establish

878
01:06:58,730 --> 01:07:02,990
select fees for attendance at city sponsor activities at the community learning center.

879
01:07:03,810 --> 01:07:11,290
So we can collect fees for the community learning center for events that we establish that

880
01:07:11,290 --> 01:07:16,530
are for city sponsor activities or cities activities, which will be most of them.

881
01:07:16,830 --> 01:07:20,110
Okay, so this will be most of them, outside of school hours.

882
01:07:20,810 --> 01:07:26,390
Okay, unfortunately it just shows another conflict we have in this same provision.

883
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:31,390
And why are the following two sentences next necessary then?

884
01:07:31,610 --> 01:07:33,710
After the city may establish and collect fees,

885
01:07:33,870 --> 01:07:36,530
the Board of Education may establish and collect fees.

886
01:07:37,270 --> 01:07:42,390
And then we separate the fee schedule being established for the GMS gym

887
01:07:42,970 --> 01:07:46,750
and give that power to the Board of Education and the fee schedule

888
01:07:46,750 --> 01:07:49,610
for the community courts facility give that to the city.

889
01:07:49,790 --> 01:07:51,670
Well, having Mr. Dean look at the original language

890
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:53,550
because I think it follows very closely.

891
01:07:53,550 --> 01:07:54,950
of not the same language.

892
01:07:57,490 --> 01:08:01,430
I think it's confusing, even if it was the same language before.

893
01:08:02,070 --> 01:08:03,770
I mean, can I ask her some questions?

894
01:08:04,310 --> 01:08:09,030
What is the difference between a city sponsored event in an auxiliary user?

895
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:15,300
Well, and in practice, not the legal perspective in practice.

896
01:08:15,540 --> 01:08:20,560
Well, a city sponsored event would be our volleyball league.

897
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:24,740
Would be our best volleyball league.

898
01:08:24,740 --> 01:08:36,660
A Zillary user would be at a U tournament, a 3 on 3 tournament, not something that we are, I guess,

899
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:46,840
hosting, developing, advertising, taking reservations for, for instance, couldn't the confusion,

900
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:52,840
that I think's created by all the questions that I've asked about the different provisions in this,

901
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:57,920
be cleared up by some sort of language that says

902
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,740
that the details of these fee schedules will be established

903
01:09:01,740 --> 01:09:03,100
in the shared use agreement.

904
01:09:05,620 --> 01:09:07,560
I mean, I just still just think we've got something really

905
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:11,600
confusing here on a crucial part of the agreement.

906
01:09:13,540 --> 01:09:18,780
But as Ms. Dean said, certainly not up to me,

907
01:09:19,020 --> 01:09:21,960
it's up to Council, or at least it's up to this committee.

908
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:29,100
I think Mr. Jurgen, you're satisfied with the language as is, correct? You don't want any changes and you don't think

909
01:09:29,100 --> 01:09:33,760
clarity would be brought by invoking the shared use agreement in that part of the clause.

910
01:09:34,100 --> 01:09:38,220
Well, I think the agreement understands that the shared use agreement informs disagreement

911
01:09:38,220 --> 01:09:40,520
with more specificity. I think that's understood.

912
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:45,920
I mean, I don't mean to call upon your knowledge as a lawyer, but when you're looking at a clause

913
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:50,200
and a contract and you see the shared use of agreement as applying to one part of the clause

914
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:54,680
and not the other, can't you make the argument that it's excluded from the first part?

915
01:09:55,600 --> 01:10:02,060
Does, since it is specifically noted with regard to what the fees are used for,

916
01:10:04,290 --> 01:10:04,890
there's

917
01:10:04,890 --> 01:10:06,810
no where that says it governs this.

918
01:10:07,210 --> 01:10:10,630
So either, I mean, I guess if you want to say it governs everything in the agreement, why is it ever

919
01:10:10,630 --> 01:10:11,610
mentioned for specifics?

920
01:10:13,250 --> 01:10:16,170
That's another thing that I find confusing about it.

921
01:10:22,100 --> 01:10:33,030
My desire for this to be the best contract it can be to govern this really big investment in this project would be that we make that

922
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:41,820
Section more specific to say that the shared use agreement will govern those fee schedules. So must be I bet looking at the original agreement and this I know we've already said this

923
01:10:41,820 --> 01:10:46,000
I just want to say again that we, that language is the language that's in there currently.

924
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:50,880
So to answer your question, why that's there, because that original language is what was

925
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:51,360
being copied.

926
01:10:51,500 --> 01:10:58,680
I will say they'll under Article 10, not to confuse the subject anymore, but we have

927
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:00,180
a cooperation clause.

928
01:11:01,140 --> 01:11:06,420
So I also think this is a bit of a catch all that we are, we are agreeing that we're going

929
01:11:06,420 --> 01:11:09,000
to cooperate for the success of the facility.

930
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:15,920
So, okay, well, to your point about the original agreement, I asked the same questions about the original agreement.

931
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:17,140
That was my point.

932
01:11:19,180 --> 01:11:20,660
I had the same concern.

933
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:23,700
That's the only reason I brought up the original agreement.

934
01:11:23,780 --> 01:11:25,580
I had this concern nine.

935
01:11:27,420 --> 01:11:33,620
Does anyone else on Council see this as an issue or is everyone comfortable with it as it is?

936
01:11:34,140 --> 01:11:36,280
I'd like just like to know what other people think.

937
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:37,520
I'm comfortable.

938
01:11:39,480 --> 01:11:39,960
comfortable.

939
01:11:41,620 --> 01:11:48,660
And are you all comfortable voting on this as a five member council without all seven people

940
01:11:48,660 --> 01:11:51,380
when we're committing 15 million of city money?

941
01:11:52,140 --> 01:11:53,980
Everybody comfortable voting on this tonight?

942
01:11:55,160 --> 01:12:01,520
I mean, if it were up to me, I would wait for the whole group, but I certainly don't want to

943
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:04,260
do that if everyone wants to go ahead with it tonight.

944
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:06,060
So, what are you all saying?

945
01:12:08,230 --> 01:12:10,090
I'm good for tonight.

946
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:16,160
The vote is tonight as well. I'd be prepared to vote.

947
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:29,560
I guess I'm fine with voting tonight. I will note that Mr. Brandenburg hasn't had a chance to be here.

948
01:12:31,500 --> 01:12:33,860
But at the same time, I'm okay to vote tonight.

949
01:12:35,540 --> 01:12:39,900
So, Ms. Bavada, I would leave it to the finance committee to make the decision.

950
01:12:40,380 --> 01:12:45,680
Yeah, I just wondered, I wanted everyone's input. I agree. I think it's very unfortunate to have a member

951
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:51,300
of council have no opportunity to speak to this because I imagine it's the greatest commitment

952
01:12:51,300 --> 01:12:58,220
of funds that this council will see, or that we've seen in a long time, or that we will see, so

953
01:12:58,220 --> 01:13:04,200
it's not, I don't find it ideal to vote with the number of people that we have, but it sounds

954
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:10,020
like that's what everyone wants to do tonight, and it sounds like nobody else thinks that this issue

955
01:13:12,140 --> 01:13:19,220
with in section 6.2 is a material issue. So, we will not ask for any changes. We will

956
01:13:19,220 --> 01:13:26,500
keep it exactly as it is and we will vote on this during our regular meeting. The next

957
01:13:26,500 --> 01:13:33,020
piece of legislation before the Finance Committee is on second reading and it is 2023,

958
01:13:33,020 --> 01:13:35,340
three are 24 as amended.

959
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,780
A resolution modifying appropriations within certain funds

960
01:13:39,780 --> 01:13:41,940
in order to provide sufficient funding

961
01:13:41,940 --> 01:13:43,280
and declaring an emergency.

962
01:13:44,780 --> 01:13:47,920
And rather than you have to hear this explain twice,

963
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:51,540
I will just ask Mr. Schmidt to tell us

964
01:13:52,060 --> 01:13:53,900
what the appropriations are,

965
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:55,820
which are being modified in this legislation.

966
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:57,580
Thank you, Ms. Bennett.

967
01:13:58,060 --> 01:14:02,760
The total request is Council Conceal Conceal is 447,000

968
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:17,340
$559.91. Of that amount, $310,259.91 is revenue neutral, meaning there's revenue coming in to support

969
01:14:17,340 --> 01:14:24,320
these additional request appropriations through reimbursable grants, through insurance proceeds,

970
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:32,880
as well as invoicing of fees for services being performed by an engineering firm, which is

971
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:36,240
to see then invoices the developers for reimbursement.

972
01:14:36,540 --> 01:14:40,020
But that being said, I'll run through each individual fund.

973
01:14:40,180 --> 01:14:48,080
In the general fund, the total requesting is $44,000, $49 and $91 cents.

974
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:55,160
You know, the first two lines is just a reclass of 15,000 from labor relations to unemployment.

975
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:59,760
Being that the state no longer supplements the state unemployment.

976
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:10,720
Funds, the city, once again, is picking up the cost since the ARPA American Rescue Plan dollars is no longer available through the state.

977
01:15:11,460 --> 01:15:22,700
Next, we have a requesting central administration building contracted services of 17,449 dollars in 91 cents.

978
01:15:22,700 --> 01:15:30,120
That will be reimbursed by the insurance company for work done as a result of the flooding in the basement of the cab facility.

979
01:15:31,480 --> 01:15:36,440
The next item is the repairs and maintenance of the central administration building.

980
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:42,760
That is for $15,000 for HVAC issues at the schools portion of the facility,

981
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:46,660
which the schools will reimburse the city for those expenditures.

982
01:15:46,660 --> 01:15:53,880
And the following to deal with the highway administration building, the total ask is for

983
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:59,780
$12,500 for some additional roof repairs, because of a leak there at the facility, as

984
01:15:59,780 --> 01:16:02,820
well as some more additional contracted services being requested.

985
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:14,060
Next on the fire paramedic fund, the total request is $8,198 of the request, you'll see the

986
01:16:14,060 --> 01:16:23,160
over time as well as employee benefits total $20,198 that was for the technical unit that

987
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:29,680
was utilized by Summit County, which the city will be reimbursed for during the Javan

988
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:38,820
Walker incident that was going on up north. Secondly, you'll see within the account

989
01:16:38,820 --> 01:16:46,340
requests for uniform dollars and protective clothing that money is result of new fire medics as

990
01:16:46,340 --> 01:16:52,260
well as promotions within the fire department from the new contract that was passed by council.

991
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:59,100
Next is the ambulance fund. We have a request of $2,000 for some additional protective clothing

992
01:16:59,100 --> 01:17:06,900
for use by our fire medics. And with the parks and wrecks recreation fund we have a total request

993
01:17:06,900 --> 01:17:15,660
at $24,300, there are some cameras that have gone bad, and VR recorders that need replaced.

994
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:22,280
There is also some sand, additional sand needed at the Butler Park on volleyball courts,

995
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:27,840
as well as some additional increases within some of our utility bills at the parks.

996
01:17:29,020 --> 01:17:33,900
Next within the Cemetery Fund, we have a total request of $9,250.

997
01:17:33,900 --> 01:17:39,480
dollars. This was resolved of an accident that occurred out front at the Greensburg cemetery.

998
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:43,380
Again, this will be covered through an insurance reimbursement.

999
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:52,300
Then within the planning fund, we have a totally request of 185,000 of that amount, 150,000

1000
01:17:52,300 --> 01:17:58,480
deals with consultant set of utilized on development projects, where the planning department

1001
01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:04,780
receives the invoices, the city pays them, and then invoices the developers for these

1002
01:18:04,780 --> 01:18:10,440
costs, as well as the additional amount requested in contracted services of 35,000.

1003
01:18:11,380 --> 01:18:17,680
Finally in the income tax fund, we have a additional request total of 34,862 dollars.

1004
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:21,300
This is for additional court costs through collection agencies.

1005
01:18:22,140 --> 01:18:27,120
That money the city will eventually receive back being reimbursed for these court costs

1006
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:33,780
as the cases are settled and people are being charged for non-payment of taxes.

1007
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:41,360
And finally, under the federal grant fund, the city received an additional $65,000 for

1008
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:42,940
the Master of the North Project.

1009
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:49,580
So we need to appropriate these funds from the federal government in order to get reimbursed

1010
01:18:49,580 --> 01:18:50,580
from them.

1011
01:18:50,580 --> 01:18:56,920
So again, the total request is $447,559.91.

1012
01:18:58,020 --> 01:19:00,460
Thank you for that detailed explanation.

1013
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:03,780
It certainly seems clear to me.

1014
01:19:04,140 --> 01:19:07,200
The reasons for this request.

1015
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,960
Does anyone, or Mr. Yergen, do you have any questions about this?

1016
01:19:11,020 --> 01:19:12,220
No, Madam Chair, thank you.

1017
01:19:12,700 --> 01:19:13,960
Anybody else on council?

1018
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:17,420
Have any questions about these appropriations?

1019
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:20,480
All right.

1020
01:19:21,020 --> 01:19:30,960
Is there any reason Mr. Schmidt that you would want us to consider voting on this on second reading or actually would it be better to wait till third reading because there could be adjustments?

1021
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:38,840
There may be a couple more adjustments that I've been alerted to you today, so on some minor ones that may may adjust this, so yes please.

1022
01:19:39,100 --> 01:19:46,000
All right, so at the appropriate time during a regular meeting, I will ask for time on 2023 or 2024 as amended.

1023
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:51,520
Is there any older new business to come before the Finance Committee?

1024
01:19:53,440 --> 01:19:55,360
All right, we're adjourned.

1025
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:56,300
Thank you, Ms. Spavitt.

1026
01:19:56,580 --> 01:19:58,820
The next committee is Environment and Parks.

1027
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:00,300
I Mr. Brandenberg's absence.

1028
01:20:00,460 --> 01:20:02,180
It will be chaired by myself today.

1029
01:20:02,700 --> 01:20:04,420
Myself and Mr. Noble are present.

1030
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,640
We have one item on the agenda that is on third reading.

1031
01:20:07,860 --> 01:20:10,120
It's 2023, R22.

1032
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:14,520
A resolution awarding a contract to Skalsky Consulting LLC

1033
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:20,120
to perform an ADA assessment of green parks and park facilities and declaring an emergency.

1034
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:27,240
So this is about a $55,000 appropriation with the parks budget.

1035
01:20:28,100 --> 01:20:34,280
This is required by law for cities to do this ADA assessment, so that's why we're looking

1036
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:34,840
into it.

1037
01:20:34,900 --> 01:20:43,460
It looks forward and is also retrospective to see how we can best make our park facilities and

1038
01:20:43,460 --> 01:20:49,060
marks themselves, you know, just compliant and friendly to ADA people as possible.

1039
01:20:50,940 --> 01:20:53,400
So, Ms. Carr, is there anything you'd like to add to this?

1040
01:20:53,500 --> 01:20:54,480
I think you got it.

1041
01:20:55,540 --> 01:20:56,840
Thank you.

1042
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:59,700
We discussed this pretty thoroughly at our last meeting.

1043
01:20:59,820 --> 01:21:05,540
There was no comments or issues with committee or council, but I'll open that up again.

1044
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:11,780
Is there anybody on committee who has any discussion related to this piece?

1045
01:21:11,780 --> 01:21:14,120
I don't have anything further Mr. DeBes.

1046
01:21:14,900 --> 01:21:15,820
Okay, anybody on council?

1047
01:21:17,340 --> 01:21:22,480
Okay, so being on third reading, we will vote on this at our regular council meeting tonight.

1048
01:21:23,420 --> 01:21:27,020
That concludes letter slate of business for the Environment and Parks Committee.

1049
01:21:27,380 --> 01:21:28,900
Is there any older new business?

1050
01:21:30,100 --> 01:21:32,240
Okay, hearing none, we are adjourned at 621.

1051
01:21:33,860 --> 01:21:37,360
The next committee to report is Public Safety, chair by myself.

1052
01:21:37,980 --> 01:21:41,840
Today, myself and Mr. France and President Mr. Megard is absent.

1053
01:21:42,580 --> 01:21:46,800
We have no legislative business today, is there any old or new business for the safety committee?

1054
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:51,200
Okay, we will not meet them.

1055
01:21:51,940 --> 01:21:55,980
So, the next committee is planning community and economic development chair by Mr. Noble.

1056
01:21:56,580 --> 01:21:57,440
Thank you, Mr. DeVedis.

1057
01:21:57,620 --> 01:22:00,300
My self, Mr. Eugen, a Mr. DeVedis all present.

1058
01:22:00,300 --> 01:22:08,740
The item of legislation on second reading, it's item 2023, R26, a resolution approving the

1059
01:22:08,740 --> 01:22:14,060
final plat and performance bond for Spring Hill, Phase 5, and declining in emergency.

1060
01:22:15,420 --> 01:22:20,600
So I will turn this over to Mr. Weathy to tell us about this place.

1061
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:25,720
This is, again, Phase 5 of Spring Hill. This is up on Brigham teen. It makes Brigham teen

1062
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:32,860
called a sack, permanent called a sack, seven lots are being proposed, all pretty much

1063
01:22:32,860 --> 01:22:42,280
basically what was in the original plan, probably all custom homes has been typical of spring

1064
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:43,660
hill in this location.

1065
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:49,200
It's about it, there's not much to it,

1066
01:22:51,780 --> 01:22:53,440
the performance bond is in place

1067
01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:57,640
this has been approved and let's say it'll be very small.

1068
01:23:00,670 --> 01:23:02,950
Okay, thank you. Anybody on committee

1069
01:23:02,950 --> 01:23:10,510
have any comments? I guess one question to follow up Mr. Wealey that's okay. Go ahead. You said

1070
01:23:10,510 --> 01:23:16,810
it's pretty much the same is it? It is the same. It's the original plan. So I mean that same number

1071
01:23:16,810 --> 01:23:22,430
of use. Same number units, same size. Similar sizes, everything that was in the preliminary

1072
01:23:22,430 --> 01:23:24,430
plan, continuing on.

1073
01:23:25,310 --> 01:23:25,930
That's when I want to clarify.

1074
01:23:26,330 --> 01:23:26,590
Thank you.

1075
01:23:26,950 --> 01:23:26,970
Sorry.

1076
01:23:29,170 --> 01:23:29,890
I have no comments.

1077
01:23:30,630 --> 01:23:30,870
Council.

1078
01:23:32,970 --> 01:23:33,150
Okay.

1079
01:23:34,270 --> 01:23:35,110
Thank you.

1080
01:23:35,870 --> 01:23:35,950
Okay.

1081
01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:42,170
So, since this is on second reading during the main council, I will ask for time.

1082
01:23:43,150 --> 01:23:43,410
Okay.

1083
01:23:44,210 --> 01:23:46,350
That's all the items of legislation we have.

1084
01:23:46,350 --> 01:23:56,670
just make a note that this, let's taste, taste, taste, taste of tomorrow, is our second comprehensive

1085
01:23:56,670 --> 01:24:04,830
plan meeting in this room, I believe, at 6 p.m. So it is open to the public, although we'll

1086
01:24:05,470 --> 01:24:11,130
be talking through a number of topics with the steering committee. So again, it's open

1087
01:24:11,130 --> 01:24:19,410
the public, so. Okay. Anything else? Okay. Hearing none, we'll adjourn at 624.

1088
01:24:20,370 --> 01:24:23,790
Thank you, Mr. Noble. The next committee is Rules and Personnel, Chair, but Mr.

1089
01:24:23,810 --> 01:24:27,670
You're going to thank you, Mr. President. We have no items of business before us on our

1090
01:24:28,310 --> 01:24:33,250
ledger. Is there any old or new business to bring before Rules and Personnel? Hearing none,

1091
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:36,990
we will not meet for purposes of discussion. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. You're going to.

1092
01:24:36,990 --> 01:24:41,250
That's committee is transportation, connectivity, and stormwater, chair by Ms. Bavit.

1093
01:24:42,430 --> 01:24:51,050
Thank you. Mr. Noble and I are President, Mr. Brandon Burke is absent. We have one item

1094
01:24:51,050 --> 01:24:55,510
of legislation before us on second reading, so the Transportation Committee will meet.

1095
01:24:55,930 --> 01:25:02,970
That item is 2023 or 25 a resolution awarding a contract to the Aero Mark company LLC

1096
01:25:02,970 --> 01:25:07,750
for the 2023 pavement marking project and declaring an emergency.

1097
01:25:09,210 --> 01:25:13,930
And this is second reading passage has been requested on this item.

1098
01:25:14,250 --> 01:25:17,230
We did discuss it with Mr. Sioka at our last meeting,

1099
01:25:17,470 --> 01:25:20,970
because Mr. Pickett had to be somewhere else that day.

1100
01:25:21,930 --> 01:25:24,890
And he did explain that this is just a housekeeping matter.

1101
01:25:25,070 --> 01:25:29,210
It's what we do every year to do the pavement,

1102
01:25:29,210 --> 01:25:34,230
repainting and marking, is there anything that you'd like to elaborate on, Mr. Pickett?

1103
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:37,710
No, I think you've probably got a pretty good summary at the last meeting.

1104
01:25:38,210 --> 01:25:38,510
We did.

1105
01:25:38,610 --> 01:25:39,450
Well, there's any questions.

1106
01:25:41,090 --> 01:25:48,930
Does anyone, well, I guess not anyone, but specifically Mr. Noble, do you have any questions from Mr. Pickett?

1107
01:25:49,230 --> 01:25:53,290
I do not. Anyone on council have any questions from Mr. Pickett?

1108
01:25:54,830 --> 01:26:03,110
All right, I will not make same Michael Stanley jokes that I made, all the way really enjoyed it personally at the last meeting.

1109
01:26:04,630 --> 01:26:08,850
And you could just say, I did say it, yes, I did.

1110
01:26:10,230 --> 01:26:15,630
And only a few people got it, but maybe the others got it, they just didn't find it that funny.

1111
01:26:16,210 --> 01:26:21,490
But how do you not do this legislation every year and not want to say it?

1112
01:26:21,490 --> 01:26:23,170
I would want to say it over here.

1113
01:26:23,390 --> 01:26:24,670
I'll remember that next year.

1114
01:26:25,370 --> 01:26:28,130
Anyway, at the appropriate time during our regular meeting,

1115
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:32,930
I will make a motion on 2023 or 25.

1116
01:26:33,310 --> 01:26:34,290
Can I interject, please?

1117
01:26:35,190 --> 01:26:36,550
We can't pass it on second reading.

1118
01:26:36,670 --> 01:26:37,450
We don't have enough people.

1119
01:26:38,250 --> 01:26:40,270
Oh, actually, yeah.

1120
01:26:41,410 --> 01:26:43,410
You can't take a vote on second reading.

1121
01:26:43,410 --> 01:26:43,830
We can't.

1122
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:44,650
I don't know.

1123
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:46,810
We can't do the second reading.

1124
01:26:47,310 --> 01:26:48,750
Yes, correct.

1125
01:26:49,750 --> 01:26:52,790
Sorry. I'm sorry. I forgot about that.

1126
01:26:52,810 --> 01:26:57,290
We're really hoping that that will have at least six people the next meeting.

1127
01:26:57,610 --> 01:27:00,030
Because we'd like to get started on this.

1128
01:27:00,290 --> 01:27:03,090
Well, it won't matter. I mean, it will take effect immediately, right?

1129
01:27:03,270 --> 01:27:05,110
So won't it be emergency?

1130
01:27:05,390 --> 01:27:06,850
If you have six, yeah.

1131
01:27:08,350 --> 01:27:10,570
No, won't five be sufficient at the next meeting?

1132
01:27:10,870 --> 01:27:12,270
Well, it'll be 30 days then.

1133
01:27:12,350 --> 01:27:12,590
Correct.

1134
01:27:13,350 --> 01:27:14,230
Oh, okay.

1135
01:27:14,570 --> 01:27:15,910
So hopefully we have four attendance.

1136
01:27:16,630 --> 01:27:17,570
Oh, maybe we will.

1137
01:27:17,570 --> 01:27:26,830
I'm sorry about that and, you know, there's always chance we can say the special line next at our next meeting when we talk about it.

1138
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:34,370
So, instead I will make a motion or I won't make any motions at all, I will request time.

1139
01:27:35,790 --> 01:27:42,610
We don't have any other items of legislation but Mr. Pickett, do we have an update on any construction matters?

1140
01:27:43,930 --> 01:27:50,010
I suppose it isn't really news, but we went to the next traffic pattern last Friday, and

1141
01:27:50,010 --> 01:27:54,010
traffic people seem to be responding well to it, he's been working well, even though

1142
01:27:54,010 --> 01:27:54,710
it's a change.

1143
01:27:55,690 --> 01:27:59,470
A little bit of an adapt, so I'm sure for people that are had an eastbound on Bettler Road

1144
01:27:59,470 --> 01:28:04,830
and now have to combine with corporate wood circle, but it seems to be, he's been going

1145
01:28:04,830 --> 01:28:05,370
well.

1146
01:28:05,710 --> 01:28:07,290
So we'll...

1147
01:28:07,810 --> 01:28:12,590
Not that anyone that I know is counting, but are we still holding to the

1148
01:28:12,590 --> 01:28:16,630
53-day time frame 4-619?

1149
01:28:17,190 --> 01:28:18,050
Yeah, it's a current time.

1150
01:28:18,150 --> 01:28:19,990
It looks like everything's on schedule, so.

1151
01:28:20,270 --> 01:28:20,510
Excellent.

1152
01:28:20,790 --> 01:28:23,410
So even though we started late, we...

1153
01:28:23,410 --> 01:28:25,830
Well, the same duration, I guess, you could say.

1154
01:28:26,010 --> 01:28:27,770
So 53 days from when we started.

1155
01:28:28,690 --> 01:28:28,990
OK.

1156
01:28:30,510 --> 01:28:33,610
Also, here's this question a lot.

1157
01:28:34,210 --> 01:28:36,310
When are we planning to start on Raver Road?

1158
01:28:37,950 --> 01:28:40,510
Actually, they were supposed to be starting this week,

1159
01:28:40,510 --> 01:28:47,970
But with no permanent traffic patterns just working with flaggers, I don't expect it would

1160
01:28:47,970 --> 01:28:55,170
be till end of the month into July, probably before we get into one of the closure patterns.

1161
01:28:55,450 --> 01:28:59,810
And the first thing that will happen is the East End will close.

1162
01:29:00,870 --> 01:29:05,430
So people always have access to May Fair Country Club in that condo group over there.

1163
01:29:05,470 --> 01:29:10,490
I can't remember the name of it.

1164
01:29:12,870 --> 01:29:19,150
from maybe for a road end, even though that one that's closed, that's how they'll get in through the work zone.

1165
01:29:20,430 --> 01:29:22,690
We get into the second phase.

1166
01:29:23,610 --> 01:29:26,150
And it also, like so in that first phase,

1167
01:29:27,190 --> 01:29:31,390
every basically the only other access point is Glenn English Boulevard.

1168
01:29:32,010 --> 01:29:38,330
So when that east end is closed, people will come in to Glenn English Boulevard from the Masland Road End.

1169
01:29:38,330 --> 01:29:45,910
And then the second phase that'll flop, and those people have to come in, then everybody of the accessing their properties from May4 Road.

1170
01:29:46,170 --> 01:29:47,950
So we'll explain that when we get there.

1171
01:29:48,610 --> 01:29:51,750
But if you don't anticipate any closure to the end of July?

1172
01:29:51,850 --> 01:29:54,130
No, until end of July, somewhere else in July.

1173
01:29:54,370 --> 01:29:56,850
In July, somewhere probably more near the beginning of the month.

1174
01:29:57,610 --> 01:29:59,970
Are we still on track to have that?

1175
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:12,660
That road open for school. It's a possibility at this point, but I wouldn't want to make a commitment on that.

1176
01:30:13,060 --> 01:30:20,460
So what set us back? I know it was our intention to have Labour Road opened before school started, at least I thought that it was.

1177
01:30:20,460 --> 01:30:25,320
Uh, nothing distinct, just the duration of from when we, you know, when we open bids and

1178
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:32,540
awarded the contract and had the contract approved and everything, just, that, that desire

1179
01:30:32,540 --> 01:30:34,500
was something we always mentioned.

1180
01:30:34,660 --> 01:30:38,360
We'd like to get it bitterly enough to do that, but it just didn't come to pass.

1181
01:30:39,220 --> 01:30:39,320
Okay.

1182
01:30:39,580 --> 01:30:45,320
There's no delays in the project from the contractors and it's just a normal process leading

1183
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:46,040
up to that.

1184
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:57,260
So, another question, construction question I have, and I'm glad the chiefs here, maybe this would be his area, maybe it would be Mrs. Wolfords, I don't know, or yours.

1185
01:30:57,900 --> 01:31:02,880
But I received a question this weekend from a firefighter in a neighboring community.

1186
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:10,460
Asking if we have any procedure in place for notifying the other departments who frequently

1187
01:31:10,460 --> 01:31:14,820
use our ERs, we have two ERs with ingrain and they're right on Masland Road corridor

1188
01:31:14,820 --> 01:31:21,300
if that's being worked on, do we have any process for notifying them when things change

1189
01:31:21,300 --> 01:31:26,920
big time like they just did because the person who expressed it to me expressed a lot of concern

1190
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:36,000
about the extra time that it was going to take to get into the ERs with their ambulances.

1191
01:31:36,660 --> 01:31:43,420
And that person's department regularly uses both of the ERs and they hadn't received any notice.

1192
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:47,960
And I wondered if we had a procedure in place for that or if we needed one maybe.

1193
01:31:50,950 --> 01:31:53,630
Yeah, I don't have an answer for that, Chief, maybe you do.

1194
01:31:55,470 --> 01:32:07,510
Thank you, so we're not the only community to go through this to have traffic pattern changes that disrupt the normal flow of ambulance traffic from community to community.

1195
01:32:08,550 --> 01:32:18,190
So within Summit County, all of us, all of the paramedics on fire departments work under the direction of the medical doctor and that doctors associated with the hospital.

1196
01:32:18,190 --> 01:32:25,830
and the hospitals have EMS coordinators. So there's a whole email network, I guess, on the EMS coordinator side.

1197
01:32:26,610 --> 01:32:31,870
So I mean, even things like when there are races and downtown

1198
01:32:31,870 --> 01:32:36,730
accurate and that block-up roads, there's messages that get sent out through the EMS coordinators

1199
01:32:36,730 --> 01:32:43,950
to all of the regional fire departments. So in a similar way, through our EMS coordinator on our

1200
01:32:43,950 --> 01:32:49,690
department Lieutenant Randy Porter, he's able to send messages about specific sea of green traffic

1201
01:32:49,690 --> 01:32:54,190
out to the departments that way as well. So I can't speak to what the internal communication

1202
01:32:54,190 --> 01:33:00,530
would be once it goes to the contact for that department, but we do our best to send those messages

1203
01:33:00,530 --> 01:33:05,110
out and to be in contact with our neighbors and keep them up to date of what the traffic patterns

1204
01:33:05,110 --> 01:33:10,990
are. Okay, so they know an advance that things could be clogged. Yes. It's their issue if they

1205
01:33:10,990 --> 01:33:17,950
I don't tell there if I have advanced, sometimes it's shorter than others, but yes, we share that message.

1206
01:33:18,630 --> 01:33:19,470
Okay, thank you.

1207
01:33:19,490 --> 01:33:19,930
You're welcome.

1208
01:33:20,030 --> 01:33:24,010
I just wanted to be able to answer that question because it's come up.

1209
01:33:24,530 --> 01:33:24,750
All right.

1210
01:33:24,950 --> 01:33:26,530
Well, thank you for that report.

1211
01:33:26,770 --> 01:33:27,350
Anything else?

1212
01:33:27,590 --> 01:33:28,370
Is that it?

1213
01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:29,670
No, thank you.

1214
01:33:29,750 --> 01:33:30,050
All right.

1215
01:33:30,250 --> 01:33:30,790
Thank you.

1216
01:33:30,990 --> 01:33:34,990
Is there any older new business to come before the transportation,

1217
01:33:36,010 --> 01:33:37,750
connectivity and stormwater committee?

1218
01:33:39,330 --> 01:33:39,550
All right.

1219
01:33:39,650 --> 01:33:40,210
We're adjourned.

1220
01:33:40,770 --> 01:33:45,730
Thank you, Ms. Bavit. The final committee is Intergovernmental and Utilities Chair by Mr.

1221
01:33:45,850 --> 01:33:50,770
France. Thank you, Mr. President, myself and Ms. Bavit are present. We do not have any legislation

1222
01:33:50,770 --> 01:33:53,530
before us, is there any business to come before this committee?

1223
01:33:55,490 --> 01:34:01,910
Not, we will not meet. Thank you, Mr. France. Okay, that concludes committee business for the night.

1224
01:34:02,290 --> 01:34:07,050
So we will adjourn at 633 and reconvene at 7 for our regular council meeting.

1225
01:34:07,050 --> 01:34:07,710
I'm

1226
01:34:11,300 --> 01:34:12,000
not gonna have this one.