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Welcome to the December 19, 2023 meeting of the Greensboro City Council. We are in the Katie Dorsett Council Chamber. People wishing to speak,

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must sign up by 6 p.m. by using the Q-minder kiosk just outside the council door. Please see the courier for assistance. This evening's meeting speakers are on agenda items only. Let the record reflect that Mrs. Hoffman is participating via Zoom. Mrs. Hoffman?

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Thank you and all other council members are in attendance.

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do so from outside the chamber.

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We will begin tonight's meeting with a moment of silence.

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Thank you.

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Mr. Methini, would you lead us in the pledge?

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The City of Greensboro is committed to promoting an environment that is free of discrimination

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sorry, members of the audience are speakers from the podium who intentionally disrupt the meeting or ridicule others will be given a warning and if unheated they will be removed from the meeting.

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That person will be suspended from in-person participation for three months.

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In order to preserve their right to free speech, they can attend virtually by Zoom, by phone, or by email.

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It is the goal of the City Council that this Chamber is a welcoming space and

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that all residents feel empowered to bring issues of concern to their elected officials.

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Speakers are allotted three minutes for comments on specific agenda items.

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Zoning matters do allow for a 15 minute presentation both for and against the rezoning.

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There is a five-minute rebuttal period for each side, pro-and-com.

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Zoom participants are requested to mute their microphone until they are called upon to speak.

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All meeting attendees are expected to respect the speakers and council deliberations.

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People disrupting the meeting will be removed from the meeting.

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By statute, council members must vote on all items unless there is a direct financial interest.

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Or if you sit on the board of a non-profit receiving Sunday funding from the city, all votes must be moved and seconded, the mayor will announce the vote total.

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Let's see, we

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do have a consent agenda for items G1 through G20, which are a grouping of agenda items that are voted on with one single vote to expedite, what are believed to be routine and non-controversial items.

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Any council member may withdraw an item from the consent agenda due to a conflict of interest or for the purpose of voting no.

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Items removed from the consent agenda for discussion will be placed on the January 16th meeting of the Greensboro City Council business agenda.

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This night does include close captioning, depending on the length of tonight's meeting we may take a short recess around 7.30 p.m.

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Now is the time for our ceremonial and presentation items, and I am going to read a resolution naming December 21st, 2023 National Homeless Persons Memorial Day.

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We're as December 21st, 2023 marks the first day of winter and is the longest night of the year.

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Whereas the national coalition for the homeless and the national health care for homeless council have designated December 21, 2023 as National Homeless Persons Memorial Day.

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Whereas the city of Greensboro, the city of High Point and Guildford County have jointly designated December 21, 2023 as National Homeless Persons Memorial Day.

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Whereas in the season of generosity and sharing, the citizens of Greensboro are encouraged to commit themselves to promoting compassion and concern for all, particularly during the winter months that pose extreme hardships for Greensboro citizens who are less fortunate and without homes.

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Whereas homelessness continues to be a serious challenge for many Greensboro citizens who have the right to adequate food, housing, clothing, safety, and health care.

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We're as homeless significantly

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Assembly increases one risk of illness, injury, and death. Whereas the homeless memorial

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walk of remembrance will take place in Greensboro on Thursday, December 21, 2023, to honor

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those who have passed away in 2023 as a result of homelessness. Whereas by joining together

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in remembering our neighbors, we can honor their lives by working to provide solutions

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and homelessness within our city.

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And now therefore be it resolved by the City Council of the City of Greensboro that December 21st, 2023 is hereby named National Homeless Persons Memorial Day in Greensboro to remember those who have died homeless and to encourage citizens to come together to celebrate their lives by working to resolve the factors that lead to homelessness within our city.

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It looks like we have a speaker signed up to speak to the resolution,

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Mr. Marsh.

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I want to tell Mr. Hostin and the rest of you that work to assist in cleaning up the East

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Washington Corridor, we appreciate the attention to that small detail and I guess is adequate

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to be down here speaking tonight did not know that there would be a resolution, but I think that that's very much needed.

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Our homeless citizens in this city do reserve respect them for us to be working diligently to come up with permanent solutions for what affects them, as well as others that visit our community, their homes.

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And I just want to say that hopefully going into this next year, we've hit some stumbling blocks this year of what we could have done to further a

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address these problems, I don't know, Ms. Muthaney has had numerous Fox 8 segments on this and coming up with permanent solutions that seems like this is a recurring problem that does never have a permanent solutions that, you know, work to basically move some of these people out of this transition period that they tend to stay into.

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And so I just want to say that again, I presented the city with multiple options, not only for my benefit, but for that community's benefit, as well as for the city managers office that sometimes we don't see eye to eye, but either way we have to work together to come up with solutions for the business community that takes the brunt of some of these actions that never seem to come to any type of resolution.

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So again, I do want to say, I appreciate what you are doing for that community tonight, and hopefully we can all come up with a solution going into next year that works to permanent solutions, not just temporary solutions, cleaning up streets every two days, every week, every month, that just is untenable.

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And again, you run off businesses that pay taxes in this city, and we just have to do a better job.

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So I understand there's a very hard job.

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There are no easy answers, but hopefully we can come up with those solutions that work for everyone.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I believe there was a motion in a second.

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Council, please vote.

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That was moved by Mayor Pro Tem, seconded by Mrs. Thurham.

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I don't know if there's anybody here to accept the resolution from staff, yes.

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Thank you Mayor for the resolution.

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I did just want to remind everyone that we will be having the walk of remembrance and a small

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ceremony on Thursday at 5.30 p.m. at the flagpole out here on the Washington Street side will walk

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to Center City Park and back.

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So thank you.

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Thank you.

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Now we move on to item E2, which is the manager's report.

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Nothing. Nothing this evening. Now we will move on to our consent agenda. Do I have

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a motion?

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Okay. Move by Mr. Holston. Second. By Mrs. Ibusa-Water. Council, please vote.

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And that passes 9-0. We will now move on to the public hearing portion of our agenda.

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We do have one speaker signed up in favor, I'll read H1 and H2 together.

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Item H1 is a public hearing for an ordinance annexing territory into the corporate limits.

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For the property located at 2810, 2820 Rowland Road, 0.544 acres trace a McKinney for McKinney and

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and Son's Construction LLC, an item H2, public hearing for an ordinance for

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original zoning for 2010, 28, 12, Roland Road, Tracy A.

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McKinney for McKinney and Son's Construction LLC.

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Mr. Kirkman?

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Yes, thank you, Mayor Vaughn.

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Good evening, members of City Council.

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The request again is to annex these two properties into the City of Greensboro and

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establish original city zoning to City R5 residential single family.

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North and east of this request is currently

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zone county RS-20 residential single family.

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South of this request is zone city R-3 residential

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single family and county RS-20.

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West request is zone city C-D-C-L as well as county RS-20.

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The subject property is currently undeveloped at this time.

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North, east and south of the request are single family dwellings.

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West request are a combination of single family dwellings

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and an indoor recreation used that is currently under construction.

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Properties are currently designated as residential on the feature land use map of the Comprehensive Plan and as urban general on the feature built form map.

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Staff has concluded this request does support the Comprehensive Plan's creating great places goal to expand greens for a citywide network

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If you need neighborhoods offering residents of all walks of life a variety of quality housing choices and the building community connections goal to maintain stable attractive and healthy places to live and raise families.

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The proposed R5 district accommodates lower density single-family detached residential development of up to five dwelling units per acre

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And allows uses that are similar to existing uses in the surrounding area and staff is recommending approval of these requests

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These requests were heard by the planning and zoning commission that their November 20th meeting and the commission did recommend in favor of both the annexation and zoning

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There were no speakers on that item at that meeting. Can you answer any questions?

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Any questions from Mr. Kirkman?

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We do have one speaker signed up in favor, Trace McKinney, I don't know if you would

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like to comment or if you're here for questions,

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I guess, near.

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Do we have a motion on H1?

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So that was moved by Mrs. Thurm and seconded by Dr. Wells, Council, please vote.

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And that passes 9 to 0.

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We need a statement of consistency for H2, moved by Mrs. Thurm, seconded by Dr. Wells.

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The Greensboro City Council believes that it's action to approve the original zoning request for the property at 28, 10, 28, 12 roll-in road from county RS 20 to city R5 to be consistent with the adopted GSO 2040 Comprehensive Plan and considers the action taken to be reasonable and in the public interest for the following reasons.

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The request is consistent with the Comprehensive Plan's future belt form map and future land use map.

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The proposed city R5 zoning district permits uses that fit the context of surrounding areas and

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limits negative impacts on the adjacent properties.

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The request is reasonable due to the size, physical conditions and other attributes of the area.

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It will benefit the property owner and surrounding community and approval is in the public interest.

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Council, please vote, and

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that passes 9 to 0.

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I will read H3 and H4 into the record.

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We do have one speaker in favor and one speaker opposed.

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Item H3 is a public hearing for an ordinance annexing territory into the corporate limits for

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the property located at 4012, Hickory Tree Lane, 0.61 acres, Ronald Benjamin, and

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an item H for a public hearing for an ordinance for original zoning for 40, 12, Hickory Tree Lane, Ronald Benjamin.

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Mr. Kirkman.

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Yes, thank you, Mayor Vaughn.

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Again, the request is for annexation and original zoning from County RS40, residential single family to city R3, residential single family.

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North, east and west, the request is also zone County RS40.

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South of the request is zone of combination of County RS40, as well as County CZ RS3.

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both of those are single-family designations.

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The subject property has currently undeveloped this point.

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The applicant is in the process of constructing a single-family dwelling on the property.

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North, South, East, and West request are single-family dwellings.

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The property is designated as residential on the future land use map of the comprehensive

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plan and is urban general on the future built format.

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Staff notes that this request does support the comprehensive plan's creating great places

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goal to expand Greensboro Citywide network of unique neighborhoods, offering residents

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of all walks of life, a variety of quality housing choices, and the building community

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connections goal to maintain stable, attractive, and healthy places to live and raise families.

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Their proposed R3 district is intended to accommodate low-density single-family detached residential

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development of up to three dwellings per acre, and allows uses that are similar to the existing

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uses in the surrounding area and staff is recommending approval of this request.

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The planning and zoning commission heard this request at their November 20th meeting.

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They recommended denial of both the annexation and the zoning requests.

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There were no speakers in favor in three in opposition.

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I would note that part of the issue with that, the applicant was present earlier in the meeting.

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When the large crowd left from a previous zoning case, there was a miscommunication with staff.

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He understood that the case had already been heard and unfortunately left and was not available for the meeting.

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the applicant is here this evening, though, to my knowledge to be able to address the

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request.

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Any other questions?

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Thank you.

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Sharon?

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Yes.

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Sorry.

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So Mike, and I did find a zoning minute.

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One of the things I saw in the staff report, and I'll go back and find it, you gave a mixed

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message in your staff report and I'm a little concerned by that because I believe what

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it says here the request is consistent with the intent and purpose of the zoning code

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inconsistent with the comprehensive plan GSO 2040 and generally compatible so with the

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existing development. What exactly made it inconsistent? Do you know a page that's on? I don't

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see that, but that may be a typo unfortunately. That is the last page of the zoning minutes.

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The staff report that is the very last paragraph. Oh, that is a typo. It's supposed to be

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and consistent, I apologize for that.

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Okay, because I was wondering why there was a mixed man.

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Unfortunately, it's an error on the report

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side of apologize for that, but it's supposed to read the intent

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and purpose of the zoning code and consistent

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with the comprehensive plan.

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I'm just going to ask somebody to please spell check

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because it makes it, it's important because I do read these

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and so it's important to help me understand.

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The second question, most of this is counting from what you were saying.

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Everything around.

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And so the house beside it is counting as well.

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Yeah, I'm going to bring the map back up here.

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That'll help us.

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Yes.

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So basically everything that's in yellow on this map is in the city and everything

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else is in the county's jurisdiction.

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property is.

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That has marked it.

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So it is like one, two, three houses away from City on the left and one, two, three, both.

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All right. From the right.

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And it's non-contiguous, of course.

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Do you know the reason? Is it just to build a single family home? Yes, they're they're petitioning the access city water and sewer to build a single family dwelling and our policy. It's in growth here. One, so it needs to be annexed in order to access city water sewer to develop the property. And was the house already being built and was determined.

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I believe the house has started to be under construction and I believe the applicant can speak a little more to that when he gets up here

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Which means it started on the county but it was yeah, I think there was some some efforts to begin to develop the site

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And they realize that they had to connect to city water and sewer and that sure the discussion for annexation and zoning

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Okay, thank you for now

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Sure and I have a general question

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Mike so in H3 and H4 same property H3 the staff recommended approval

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We are recommending approval for both items. I'm looking at the minutes for H4 and the

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first paragraph at the very end is I

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will clarify that staff is recommending approval

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both items. I'm not going to get that all right.

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We do have one speaker in favor and two against.

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So our speaker in favor is Ronald Benjamin.

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Would you like to come to the podium?

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You have up to 15 minutes.

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Good afternoon everybody.

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My main purpose is to build a single family home for me and my wife.

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For some reason, I have a couple of people that feel that I'm going to do a group home

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because I am in that business, but this is basically for my personal self and my wife

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to live there.

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We like the community.

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There's a beautiful community, and we want to keep it that way.

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I try several times to compromise with them in any kind of way, but they refuse to talk to

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me.

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I don't know why they don't want to talk to me, but it is what it is, but I'm not planning to do any kind of group home or any sort of just a family home for me and my wife so we could retire there.

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That's all I have to say.

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Any questions for Mr. Benjamin?

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Would this, I have a question for staff and maybe it's chalk, if it passes without any

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conditions on it, can he come back for a group home at a later date?

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And are there any restrictions where it wouldn't qualify for one?

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Well, as you know, this is a hearing about zoning and annexation that sets the frame for what he could use it for going forward.

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Typically, that doesn't involve an inquiry as to actually what the specific use may be.

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We've had many, you know, developers coming here and show a lustre to plans and so forth.

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And we often point out that none of that is a commitment, unless there's a condition involved

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in the zoning that would make it a commitment.

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So he would have every right of an owner with this property under that zoning condition.

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And I think there's certain types of facilities that can be used in a similar to a group home,

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but maybe Mike might be able to be more specific.

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Yeah, I was going to ask Sue or Mike, would it require a special use permit or?

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So I think we need to make a distinction, too, because there's a group care facility,

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which is a larger institutional style use, and there's a family care home,

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which is supposed to be more of a residential style use.

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A family care home isn't allowed use in single family zoning.

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There's a requirement though that they must be separated from other family care homes by at least half a mile under our ordinance.

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So they would have to meet that standard in order to do with one of this protection for family care for a family care home.

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A group care would not be allowed.

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That's a much more intense institutional style use.

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So a group, a group home would not be allowed?

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Right, under our ordinance is referred to as a group care facility.

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That would not be allowed.

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A family care home could be allowed in residential zoning, but

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it would have to be far enough away from other family care homes.

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A minimum of a half mile.

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Correct, under our ordinance.

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Do you know if there are other family care homes nearby?

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We know there's one next door at 4010, I believe.

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We've hickory trade on tree and I think there may be some additional ones in the area.

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All of those are in the county obviously so we don't have full records on that but we did get independent verification both from Mr. Benjamin and pulling information from the state that there's one next door to this property.

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So if there is one next door to his property then it appears that he couldn't do a family care home either.

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Absent of variance, yes that's correct.

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So okay, he said absence of variance is what yeah, they would have to go through the board of adjustment and request a variance, which would be a basically a zero foot separation from another family care home.

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So is that separation is in writing so that that's in our ordinance? Yes, it's a development standard for a family care home.

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So the house next door could not, the house building could not become an extension of the one next door

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and I've checked the ownership and I know that's not part of the zoning so I am a little concerned

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about that so could that become any kind of extension of what is already there? Could that be a lie?

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It's a separate dwelling unit, so they could have up to four unrelated individuals as a family that's allowed throughout the city, but that's the operation of a single family dwelling.

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But regardless, he's not asking for a family care.

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Right, I mean, Mr. Benjamin, it's not in that here.

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Single family residential rezoning that you're requesting.

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Any other questions for Mr. Benjamin?

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of it.

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You have one for him. The question for Mike.

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So I understand the house was, there's a foundation, something already there. So the house

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was being built under the county. So they were starting to process what they did, they

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had the trees and they started. This is the home builders that actually started and at that time I didn't know what I was supposed to have done.

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So they told me I had to do the annexation. So this is, I ran it to that problem so they stopped and they said I had to go through the process for annexation.

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So this is why I'm here today to try to get this approved.

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move. So primarily you want water and sewer? Yes, yes, ma'am.

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Mrs. Saitower, are you through? But the house beside it doesn't have water and so

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happened that? Yes, it does. The house beside has been

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annexed into the city? No, but it would have been developed many years ago under different

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water and sewer extension policies. So the current policy says that in order for him to

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access water and sewer he would need to be annexed into the city.

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Mrs. Thurne.

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Question, I guess for Chuck, do or sorry, city attorney what?

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Do we have the ability to add a condition at this point on this reason?

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I wouldn't think that would be prudent.

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Thank you.

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If you're through and there are no further questions, we do have two people in.

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an opposition, Ernest Allen, and Paratollison?

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I don't know if you have an order you would like to speak.

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Paratollison is by Zoom, can we see?

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Can you bring that person up?

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Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.

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My name is Ernest Allen.

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I live in 39-13 Hickory Lane.

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My wife and I built that house 49 years ago.

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We were fortunate to see every house that is in that neighborhood now except

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too. So you're looking at about 40 houses that will build after our house will

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build.

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4010 is a group home.

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The concern and I'm the community watch coordinator.

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The concern with my neighbors is that 4012 might also become a group home.

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I have been assured by Mr. Benjamin, I've had two conversations with him since November

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the 20th.

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He assures me verbally that he does not plan to make 4012 a group home.

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He indicated to me that if a house is built on that property, he and his wife planned

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to occupy that house.

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He indicated to me the term that he used is going to be a luxury home.

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I asked him to define luxury home for me, put it in money value.

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he said five to six hundred thousand dollars. This is what he said. So I'm here

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tonight to represent my neighbors and based on what I heard here tonight and

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based on the way that I feel this is going and based on my conversation with

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Mr. Benjamin. If indeed he's going to be a man of his words you judge a man by his

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word and his character, and he's indicated to me twice as to what his plans are, that

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I will remove my opposition for Mr. Benjamin to move on with this with this project.

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If indeed the plans are to build a house on that property and he and his wife occupied

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about that house and not at any point in my lifetime become a group home.

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Have we had issues with 40-10? Yes, we have.

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Have I written letters? Yes, I have. I give you some idea.

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I wrote a letter. I've written three or four letters. I don't have copies of all of them.

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But I'm going to give you some idea where the letters were written.

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State of North Carolina, Department of Health and Human Services, Division of Health Services

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Regulation, Mental Health Licensure and Certification Section is where my letters have gone.

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I don't want to have to do this anymore.

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I don't want 40-12 to become a group home.

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I know my time is about up.

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So thank you for listening and Mr. Benjamin, I trust that you'll be a man of your word and you'll put a house on there that you and your wife can enjoy and occupy.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you, Mr. Allen.

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Tara, Talison, I believe is on Zoom.

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Yes, can you hear me okay?

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We can, I understand your camera isn't working.

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Yes, that's correct.

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Some reason I think with the feed and everything, it doesn't like it.

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So just to keep the audio to make sure you can hear me.

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Okay.

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If you would proceed with your comments.

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I sent some information to the committee members to review.

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I'm not sure if you've been able to look at any of the materials I sent, but I would like to reference from some of them within this brief period.

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I'm not going to necessarily go through all of it, but it was to give you an idea.

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With the license facilities, that particular one, I sent it as a source document because if you look at these scrolled down,

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I think it's 12.7 there. That one, the XLS file, that was what I was going to say you could do.

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you can pull it is for all those that elicit that Mr. Benjamin that includes Mr. Benjamin's ownership

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to my knowledge he owns 11 properties sorry 11 facilities but owns four buildings

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two of them are right beside each other in the county and not far from the particular location

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that he's trying to build and he owns the property he's also the his daughter owns the property

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but I think he leases a rents for that location for the crime business.

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So I look at this from the business aspect.

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I can't necessarily take the person for his work.

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I know if you look at some of the documents I sent was one of them showing.

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Let's say I'm not sure what all you can show.

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I just said that as an Excel.

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So if you want to download, you can.

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You will find out you do this.

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You will find several within our particular community and not just his.

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And so that's more for inference and if there's a source if you want to check my data, that's where I pulled it for the sorts that I have.

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I'm not sure if you can go to the next another document and I can speak from that one.

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Okay, that's just a listing of what they would they put out to where you can find a single and a number you can go into number three if you like.

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This one here scroll to the bottom of the document.

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in the city of what is happening.

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If you do one, I'm curious about your rules about the, um, uh, uh, if you, if one is under

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the city and one is under the county because what is not listed is that you can pull

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Support a license to another and pass it you get a more direct answer from the council members about how that's done. And for based on the earlier questions, it sounds like they don't have to consult the community at large. Only go through the owner of the home. So you can go to the next one. But that's just to give you an idea of the most immediate ones and Mr. Benjamin on several one being 1596 Candice Road and one 1594 Candice Rail, which are right beside each other. That's his rules and regulations for family care.

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I understand it's important. It's important for community. It's important to have the options, but

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That gets to the next one. I think he's going to go on to number five. Your next documents

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Yes, I specifically pulled this one. That's forty-ten. That's next door. That's his proper

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Scroll down. My point is is that for almost a minute

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It started that we've had issues with that location. Doesn't mean the license can't be courted

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Again, this is a business. He went from one to ten within a four-year period.

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My understanding of property he wants to build next door is going to be a five-bedroom, four-bath house, which is in the range of having individuals come in.

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And you don't have to, I'm not sure how the licensing all works because I couldn't really get an answer from Department of Health and Human Services, and they have limited hours and staff, which are told me understand.

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But I'm opposed because of the fact that he has spoken to the community state is going

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to work on things.

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If you go through these records, there are times the community has reported issues, but

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it's not showing on DHSS records of those events taken place of individuals who's in their

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care getting out, going in against residents, knocking on doors, opening cars, going through

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property.

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I don't know if it's a staffing issue because I'm sure the money's probably not an issue if you could have 10 units within a four-year period.

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So that's just a given idea if you want to check my data you can, but I can tell you the clinic correction won't necessarily or the statement deficiencies not going to match up to events that have happened because my understanding is that you go to him to Mr. Benjamin or his daughter who is the landlord of that their location to resolve it is not getting back to the health.

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also it's not a pure picture of what's happening in that location.

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So this is to me a business, it's not about the home because that's what the state and

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federal pay for.

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Those individuals will be treated and given a good community and not for that, but I'm

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not for for business management, which is what is happening where people will be rewarded

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for with a $600,000 type property.

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You can go to the next document, please.

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This is what I'm getting to.

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Copy ownership or rental.

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This is what I was speaking to, number one and two, he owns those, those are what's in the

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malrange.

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Bay, what he doesn't say is that he owned, he bought the property but then bought it with his

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LLC.

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I don't hear that's how that's addressed, he can resell it and he's still keeping his promise

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but it's the business that can change, that can go in and make a new home or a care facility.

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And so, and I will say number 10, I couldn't find that one at all.

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It's listed on the spreadsheet, but I couldn't find it.

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But if you look at it number one, that was the third property he bought.

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If number two was the tenth property, number three was the fifth property he had access.

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Number four was the ninth property he got.

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Number five is the eighth property.

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Number six is the sixth property.

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Number seven is the second property.

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the 8th one is the 7th property and the 4th one and his 9th property, 10 I can't count for, and the first one, 11, 20, 2017 was the first property that I can see that was listening to his door, which he told our family, his door was buying her first home.

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He didn't mention it was going to be a group home.

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So I am not, I don't see the individual as someone as a man of his word.

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So I've got a couple of years and we have more data than I have time to say that he's not necessarily a man of his word.

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Not including the motorcycles of Downstreet, including the other individuals are going on.

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If, and it also doesn't, I don't know how the rules are addressed.

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If the neighbors are complaining, but the neighbor or yours are related to you, I don't know how backstunning.

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backstun because considering how one and two are with him

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owning both those properties.

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And they're both homes, but they're probably in the county.

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So how would that be addressed if one is county one is city.

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And that I'm not sure if I'm making any sense, but.

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It's I had a lot of data and I don't want to overwhelm you,

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but the spreadsheet can speak volumes because he's not the home.

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He has probably one of your properties of multiples.

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So I see it as a business in a business that can just tell you one thing

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and they can buy it out with the LLC or something else.

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And he still has kept his promises in business.

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It doesn't mean he's going to officially retire there.

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And I don't know if the rules are,

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if he's living at one of these addresses,

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like number two, 1594,

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I don't know if anyone is at that location.

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Does it mean that he's not living it?

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And I just only check Guilford County.

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And almost all of these,

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if you go through the record, have problems.

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And so my fears are, our esteemed neighbor,

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his letters are not getting in

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Because he keeps getting licenses no matter what the efficiencies they are so

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my concern is I do not believe

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The possible new neighbor will keep this word and then so full disclosure the property that's 4010

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My family built that house my parents did

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Came back it is an excellent neighborhood came back and moved back in

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Next door at the time 4010 and 4012 were one property and

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And she sold it off, or it was officially divided off and sold off.

421
00:51:12,090 --> 00:51:13,550
So it's officially good thing.

422
00:51:13,730 --> 00:51:18,190
So the third thing the last thing I have was a video reference to the meeting in which

423
00:51:18,190 --> 00:51:23,210
I want for you all to hear because that spoke more to the character of what's been going

424
00:51:23,210 --> 00:51:25,110
on that also spoke to some of the history.

425
00:51:25,570 --> 00:51:30,210
And that's what Mr. John Patterson, instead of sending a video file, I cited it within the

426
00:51:30,210 --> 00:51:32,150
planning minutes to where it started.

427
00:51:34,770 --> 00:51:36,770
I don't know how if they did it or not.

428
00:51:36,770 --> 00:51:37,430
Ms.

429
00:51:47,970 --> 00:51:50,130
Talison, are you through with your comments?

430
00:51:51,250 --> 00:51:56,690
Yes, but I wanted to see if that video segment that I had submitted was going to be played or not.

431
00:52:00,210 --> 00:52:01,530
I'm reading the minutes.

432
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:09,160
It was Mr. John Patterson's presentation.

433
00:52:20,970 --> 00:52:23,490
I sent a link to the planning committee and said where it started.

434
00:52:24,030 --> 00:52:27,530
Because I didn't think I could send an audio video file that large to email.

435
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:49,630
No, it's a video. It's you all is the planning committee's all videos up online

436
00:52:57,660 --> 00:53:04,940
Well, the video testimony that's linked to the planning committee. It was this presentation. I'm not really trying to debate with the speaker

437
00:53:04,940 --> 00:53:08,660
I was just pointing out our policy. Oh, why I didn't know that

438
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:14,260
That I was I assumed it was okay. I would have tried to send it in

439
00:53:15,260 --> 00:53:20,040
So there was at the three hours, 16 minutes and 16 second point where Mr. Patterson spoke.

440
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:20,920
So we waited.

441
00:53:21,380 --> 00:53:24,980
I do find it interesting that we did hear that it was disposed.

442
00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:30,860
We are the those in opposition waited the whole for almost four hours to speak.

443
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,340
Is the video marked at the spot?

444
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:42,600
I said the time stamp is started three hours and 16 minutes and 16 seconds.

445
00:53:44,620 --> 00:53:48,960
It starts at three hours and 15 minutes.

446
00:53:49,620 --> 00:53:51,940
Dr. The time says you go through the video player.

447
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:53,700
The three hour mark.

448
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,280
Three 16 16 is when he is speaking.

449
00:53:58,440 --> 00:53:58,860
Yeah.

450
00:53:59,380 --> 00:54:02,080
They were three hours into the meat.

451
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:04,240
Yeah.

452
00:54:04,820 --> 00:54:05,820
They need it.

453
00:54:06,500 --> 00:54:06,820
Right.

454
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:08,200
Three hours 16.

455
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:14,070
But if it's part of what she sent in.

456
00:54:16,130 --> 00:54:16,770
Then.

457
00:54:16,770 --> 00:54:24,550
I mean, if it's a video of our proceedings, that's not a big issue for me, it's from I believe our own plan and me.

458
00:54:25,830 --> 00:54:29,330
Okay, because I know I've shown anybody want to make a motion to continue.

459
00:54:29,770 --> 00:54:32,230
No, I showed quite a popular video.

460
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:33,330
No, okay.

461
00:54:33,950 --> 00:54:34,570
No audio.

462
00:54:34,850 --> 00:54:36,750
No one, there's no desire to hold you.

463
00:54:37,210 --> 00:54:37,850
Can you turn the volume?

464
00:54:38,010 --> 00:54:44,770
No, if the applicant is not present and there is no one to speak in favor, then we will allow anyone to speak in opposition.

465
00:54:44,770 --> 00:54:49,730
I believe if you really can't hear that by yourself, please.

466
00:54:50,290 --> 00:55:00,270
And the one thing I would say that differentiates this from that meeting is that the applicant had left already and was not able to give his side of the story.

467
00:55:00,290 --> 00:55:10,370
A matter of significant concern to the residents of our esteemed young acres community, but formally opposing the zoning requests submitted by Mr. Ronald Benjamin.

468
00:55:10,370 --> 00:55:15,970
My decision to make this request is grounded in the thorough consideration of Mr.

469
00:55:16,050 --> 00:55:20,630
Benjamin's track record and property development, particularly his actions at the

470
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:27,590
joining property at 4010 Hickory Tree Lane, as well as his involvement in the Candace

471
00:55:27,590 --> 00:55:29,870
Ridge and Pleasant Hill neighborhood.

472
00:55:29,870 --> 00:55:34,750
If I may get the clock stopped real quick, I apologize for interrupting you, but at the

473
00:55:34,750 --> 00:55:38,550
of the meeting I stated that, you know, this is, this deals with land use. We really,

474
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:40,410
where'd that come from?

475
00:55:42,810 --> 00:55:49,510
Oh, that's on the report. That was loud enough. I do want to say that

476
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:57,210
we really have to. Yeah, that was the video. Yeah, that was. We have to stick to land use, not a person's

477
00:55:57,210 --> 00:56:02,630
character. The zoning meeting and what zoning tells us is we have to look at the land use and what

478
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:04,750
what it can be used for, that's it.

479
00:56:06,090 --> 00:56:12,110
So, you know, to talk about other properties that he owns isn't really relevant by statute

480
00:56:12,590 --> 00:56:14,210
to this hearing.

481
00:56:14,910 --> 00:56:15,830
Is that correct?

482
00:56:17,110 --> 00:56:17,950
Thank you.

483
00:56:18,410 --> 00:56:18,750
Exactly.

484
00:56:21,790 --> 00:56:29,270
So normally we would review a video before it's played and they have not had the chance to

485
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:35,970
review that, and if it's all about Mr. Benjamin and not about the property, it would not be appropriate.

486
00:56:42,070 --> 00:56:49,020
So, well, I don't know, Ms. Tullerson, are you?

487
00:56:50,060 --> 00:56:55,340
I'm still here. I'm just, I hear it, but because you, like you said, you haven't reviewed it.

488
00:56:55,720 --> 00:57:03,080
It does address the property, but I'm not sure when you can get to review that part since you've paused it.

489
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:19,060
Because to me, the property part is how you talk about stable attractive places to live and benefit property owners around the community and the development of this will not benefit the surrounding community.

490
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:25,680
And that's what back what Mr. Passion was speaking to and also being stable.

491
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:26,540
Is

492
00:57:35,210 --> 00:57:37,470
that the end of your comments for this portion?

493
00:57:37,590 --> 00:57:39,450
There is a five minute rebuttal period.

494
00:57:39,890 --> 00:57:40,690
Yes, yes, yes.

495
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:42,490
Are there any questions from Ms. Tullison?

496
00:57:45,110 --> 00:57:48,470
Okay, Mr. Benjamin, you have a five minute rebuttal

497
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:49,790
if you wish to use it.

498
00:58:14,190 --> 00:58:17,470
But like I told them, that's not my intent.

499
00:58:18,290 --> 00:58:19,770
I never lied to anybody.

500
00:58:20,030 --> 00:58:22,170
Never did something that I wasn't supposed to do

501
00:58:22,170 --> 00:58:23,410
because I wasn't raised that way.

502
00:58:24,010 --> 00:58:25,170
I'm just helping people.

503
00:58:25,970 --> 00:58:28,370
And so if I'm helping people and that's wrong,

504
00:58:29,250 --> 00:58:31,150
I don't know what to say about this world.

505
00:58:31,730 --> 00:58:34,230
But this is personally for me and my wife.

506
00:58:34,330 --> 00:58:37,290
We work hard to make sure that people live good,

507
00:58:38,270 --> 00:58:39,810
just like anybody else.

508
00:58:40,570 --> 00:58:43,830
Every one of my homes is in top, not shape.

509
00:58:44,650 --> 00:58:46,290
They live just like anybody else.

510
00:58:46,410 --> 00:58:47,810
They eat like everybody else.

511
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:49,350
That's all I do.

512
00:58:49,870 --> 00:58:53,650
I try to make your right for all these guys that deserve that.

513
00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:56,090
That's all I have to say.

514
00:58:56,590 --> 00:59:02,970
So, Mr. Benjamin, you just want to make sure you're aware of, so if you were to buy this property

515
00:59:02,970 --> 00:59:11,630
and there is a facility next to you that you would not be able to do a group home.

516
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:12,670
No, is that so?

517
00:59:12,670 --> 00:59:16,630
That you would have to go before the Board of Adjustments if you wanted to change that.

518
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:21,730
that and the Board of Adjustments would certainly take this zoning hearing into consideration.

519
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:26,270
So I think that should give the applicants some comfort.

520
00:59:26,890 --> 00:59:27,850
Yes, no problem.

521
00:59:28,130 --> 00:59:29,050
I have no problem with that.

522
00:59:30,130 --> 00:59:35,350
My intent, like I said, from the beginning, is to build a family home for me and my wife.

523
00:59:35,710 --> 00:59:35,950
Okay.

524
00:59:36,750 --> 00:59:37,230
That's it.

525
00:59:37,870 --> 00:59:43,050
Do those in opposition, would you like to do a five minute rebuttal?

526
00:59:51,350 --> 00:59:58,050
I was reading through the rest of the notes and I think one of the zoning commissioners

527
00:59:58,050 --> 00:59:59,510
even ask this question.

528
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:23,780
The size of the lot, the way he asked the question, is this a large size piece of property? It's like the normal size of all the other homes. It's nothing bigger than the others. It's going to be, it's going to fit right in with everything else that is around there. Do you want to pull the zoning map up again?

529
01:00:26,670 --> 01:00:28,530
Mr. Kirkman, could you bring that up?

530
01:00:32,690 --> 01:00:48,290
But I know keeping the character of that neighborhood that's one of the older neighborhoods out in that particular area and they're getting hit with a lot of rezoning stuff coming their way.

531
01:00:48,850 --> 01:00:58,250
So I know there are many of them want to try to keep the character of the home but I was curious about the size of the lot.

532
01:00:58,250 --> 01:00:59,070
Did

533
01:01:02,590 --> 01:01:03,510
you get it back up?

534
01:01:06,780 --> 01:01:08,120
Okay, there it is.

535
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:09,540
Oh, it's available.

536
01:01:11,020 --> 01:01:11,840
Not that bad.

537
01:01:15,230 --> 01:01:17,350
Go back to the, to the area where you want some events

538
01:01:17,350 --> 01:01:17,850
with this one.

539
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:27,060
That would be in Councilor.

540
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,140
It's pretty long, it's pretty long.

541
01:01:35,540 --> 01:01:39,060
It's a long, it's pretty deep.

542
01:01:40,860 --> 01:01:42,980
I think the one's next to it, or deep also?

543
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,820
All the same, basically.

544
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:51,260
Did you previously offer that,

545
01:01:51,260 --> 01:01:59,300
Did you previously offer that this is going to be a 5-bed 4-bath, or is that someone else?

546
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,000
Someone else diggin' in my personal.

547
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:08,460
Like I said, it's just a personal home that I built, and it's for me and my wife, and

548
01:02:08,460 --> 01:02:09,960
that's all my tent was.

549
01:02:10,460 --> 01:02:12,120
I think that's all you need to say.

550
01:02:12,460 --> 01:02:12,620
Yeah.

551
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,280
I think you've made your point, Mayor.

552
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:19,820
I think that if you do something else, you're probably going to get in trouble, so I don't

553
01:02:19,820 --> 01:02:20,400
recommend it.

554
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:28,200
Right. No, no, I'm so let's move on. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Are there is there any

555
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:37,940
Rebuttal Alaska second time? Can we hear me? Yes, go ahead. I know we said about to move

556
01:02:37,940 --> 01:02:47,240
on, but it's not easy to say when you're not individuals living there. You're representing

557
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:57,860
I'm sure that the policy, but the execution of policy is not necessarily going to stay as stated as written within what you all have.

558
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:06,120
My concern is, again, if you look at the history, properties can be purchased and by businesses and change the rules.

559
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:10,280
also I don't see how it's addressed if one is listed under city and one is

560
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:14,040
listed under county those are different rules per per say even looking at

561
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:19,640
the zoning that we sent about units within a mile and within the city it's

562
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:24,200
supposed to be half a mile and that would break that so I would be curious as to

563
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:28,760
how that would be resolved technically they're under two different rules

564
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:32,920
jurisdictions is one's under county and one's under city we would go by the

565
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:39,020
the city's regulations and we would include the group home's family homes that are in the county.

566
01:03:40,540 --> 01:03:45,580
Okay, so you would then cite the other ones within the mile or just only the ones at present at the time.

567
01:03:45,820 --> 01:03:50,120
If that's more of a question, but I was just, I didn't hear how that was going to be done.

568
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:57,470
And also from understanding it doesn't necessarily go through the community, it goes through you all first, right?

569
01:04:00,380 --> 01:04:01,500
Yes, that question again.

570
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:08,360
If there is a change in two years, that goes before a committee, it doesn't go through

571
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:12,560
the neighborhood, the neighbors are not in part of that, correct?

572
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:19,700
If he wanted to change, if he wanted to use a group home or a family care home, he would

573
01:04:19,700 --> 01:04:23,900
have to go in front of the Board of Adjustments and there would be a sign in the front yard

574
01:04:24,370 --> 01:04:31,100
that says when the Board of Adjustment Meeting is, and the neighbors get letters, 600 feet,

575
01:04:31,100 --> 01:04:38,380
700 feet, 700 feet, not what would have happened in that, or that under counting, neighbors get, neighbors get letters.

576
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,640
A Jason property owners and when it's for the, a Jason property.

577
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:51,600
Okay, so because so a Jason, one of them would that include the one that's being done on the one to the left of it says that a 4010 to 4048, for instance.

578
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,260
We'll make sure there

579
01:04:58,970 --> 01:05:03,550
are multiple ways that, that, that a board of adjustment case should it ever come to that.

580
01:05:03,550 --> 01:05:08,150
that we advertise in the paper and the piecemaker,

581
01:05:08,730 --> 01:05:10,850
the adjacent property owners receive a letter

582
01:05:10,850 --> 01:05:13,650
and it's posted so that if you don't get a letter,

583
01:05:13,870 --> 01:05:16,050
you can see the sign that is posted

584
01:05:16,050 --> 01:05:17,910
with the contact information in there.

585
01:05:18,830 --> 01:05:19,890
And just to be clear,

586
01:05:20,050 --> 01:05:21,650
property owners don't want to respond

587
01:05:21,650 --> 01:05:23,590
because other properties can rent out.

588
01:05:23,830 --> 01:05:25,630
For instance, the rentals can't speak.

589
01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:32,810
There's nothing that says the limits who can speak.

590
01:05:33,790 --> 01:05:33,990
Okay.

591
01:05:34,690 --> 01:05:35,870
Because there, I mean, this is one

592
01:05:35,870 --> 01:05:37,610
to make sure by impacting if that's the case.

593
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:38,350
Just want to make sure.

594
01:05:40,090 --> 01:05:42,770
But I do want to say to one thing he stayed about,

595
01:05:42,770 --> 01:05:44,310
someone digging into his business,

596
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:46,290
he is the one who sent out some information

597
01:05:46,290 --> 01:05:49,170
to the community chair who spoke earlier

598
01:05:49,170 --> 01:05:51,250
about what type of house he would have there.

599
01:05:51,590 --> 01:05:52,930
That's why I say what I said,

600
01:05:53,070 --> 01:05:54,470
because that's what he told the individual.

601
01:05:54,830 --> 01:05:56,090
When he said it was a man of his word,

602
01:05:56,490 --> 01:05:57,870
he wouldn't try to see if he believed him.

603
01:05:57,970 --> 01:06:01,030
But the community watch person who spoke

604
01:06:01,490 --> 01:06:02,770
is the one who sent the information

605
01:06:02,770 --> 01:06:06,690
sure what's in that group about what type of house it would be and that's why I said what I did.

606
01:06:12,970 --> 01:06:15,830
Okay, those are the final comments.

607
01:06:16,490 --> 01:06:16,590
Right.

608
01:06:18,330 --> 01:06:19,710
Fall in favor say aye.

609
01:06:20,110 --> 01:06:20,870
Uh-huh.

610
01:06:20,950 --> 01:06:21,350
Opposed?

611
01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:22,650
That passed this 9-0.

612
01:06:22,910 --> 01:06:24,270
Mr. City Attorney, I have.

613
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:24,830
Uh-huh.

614
01:06:24,830 --> 01:06:26,070
Mr. Regimen, you can sit down.

615
01:06:27,470 --> 01:06:27,950
Yeah.

616
01:06:28,670 --> 01:06:28,930
Um.

617
01:06:30,510 --> 01:06:35,370
After this, I really would like to get some clarification on what happens.

618
01:06:36,410 --> 01:06:43,230
When a group home is in a county and group home is in a city, what that those regulations

619
01:06:43,230 --> 01:06:45,970
look like, enforcement look like.

620
01:06:46,130 --> 01:06:47,370
You like us to provide you with that?

621
01:06:47,590 --> 01:06:48,090
Yeah, I would.

622
01:06:48,410 --> 01:06:51,250
Yeah, I would like to know that how just categorize it.

623
01:06:51,250 --> 01:06:57,050
Some of the confusion has to do with the exact label and the multiple labels here involved.

624
01:06:57,270 --> 01:07:00,770
Group home is not one of them, but I know what you're talking about.

625
01:07:00,770 --> 01:07:06,850
Well, root care care, what it, how are you, but it's a smaller version than the larger version is county's language

626
01:07:06,850 --> 01:07:12,590
Maybe similar, so I have to kind of make sure I know what you're exactly pointing at and we can certainly provide that. Yeah

627
01:07:13,250 --> 01:07:19,470
I'm very interested in knowing that difference. Even though this is something new this come up tonight.

628
01:07:25,390 --> 01:07:27,790
Okay, we close the public hearing

629
01:07:29,610 --> 01:07:30,650
concerns questions

630
01:07:32,010 --> 01:07:32,690
motions.

631
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:43,500
Okay, moved by Mayor Pro Tem, seconded by Tammy, and this is for the annexation.

632
01:08:07,870 --> 01:08:11,910
And that passes eight to one with Mrs. Hytawer voting against.

633
01:08:13,450 --> 01:08:17,990
I need a motion for the next item with the statement of consistency.

634
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,880
Moved by Mrs. Thurm, seconded by Mrs. Busuator.

635
01:08:26,900 --> 01:08:33,400
The Greensboro City Council believes that it's action to approve the original zoning request for the property at 4012,

636
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:42,380
Hickory Tree Lane from County RS40 to City R3, to be consistent with the adopted GSO 2040 comprehensive plan,

637
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:47,680
and considers the action taken to be reasonable and in the public interest for the following reasons.

638
01:08:49,140 --> 01:08:50,060
Excuse me.

639
01:08:50,420 --> 01:08:55,380
The request is consistent with the comprehensive plan's feature built for map and future land use map.

640
01:08:55,380 --> 01:09:01,660
The proposed city are three zoning district permits uses that fit the context of surrounding area and the limits negative

641
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:03,840
Impacts on the adjacent properties

642
01:09:04,380 --> 01:09:09,560
Three the request is reasonable due to the size physical conditions and other attributes of the area

643
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:14,680
It will benefit the property owner and surrounding community and approvals in the public interest

644
01:09:15,660 --> 01:09:17,960
Council please vote and

645
01:09:29,130 --> 01:09:32,030
that passes 8 to 1 with Mrs. Hightower voting no

646
01:09:32,030 --> 01:09:38,290
So now we move on to the general business portion of our agenda.

647
01:09:39,050 --> 01:09:49,650
Item I1 is a resolution to authorize a contract in the amount of $645,500 with forestale meadows LLC.

648
01:09:52,170 --> 01:09:59,310
Are there moved by Mrs. Abusewader, seconded by Mrs. Thurm, Council please vote,

649
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:11,990
and that passes 9-0.

650
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:22,450
Item I-2 is a resolution approving change order number 2 in the amount of $36,328.66 with Bar Construction Inc.

651
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:32,130
For phase 2 improvements and close out to Spencer Love Tennis Complex for contract number 2018-059-A,

652
01:10:36,570 --> 01:10:46,030
moved by

653
01:10:55,470 --> 01:10:55,570
Mr.

654
01:10:55,570 --> 01:11:04,010
I-3 is a resolution to amend professional services agreement in the amount of 250,000 with Greensboro Sports Foundation.

655
01:11:04,150 --> 01:11:08,230
Madam Mayor, I need to recuse myself. I serve on the board of the Sports Foundation.

656
01:11:08,610 --> 01:11:09,590
Okay, so noted.

657
01:11:11,210 --> 01:11:12,730
Moved by Mr. Hightout.

658
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:14,790
Mr. Hightout.

659
01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:17,890
I stopped, I stopped.

660
01:11:31,260 --> 01:11:33,760
Moved by Mr. Zach Muthini.

661
01:11:35,460 --> 01:11:37,480
Seconded by Mrs. Ibusa-Water.

662
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:39,680
I apologize.

663
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:41,840
Madam Mayor.

664
01:11:42,180 --> 01:11:42,900
Oh, that's right.

665
01:11:43,260 --> 01:11:44,560
Who was the second?

666
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:45,640
It was not Mary K.

667
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:49,080
Seconded by Mrs. Thurman.

668
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:50,200
No, I'm afraid to say.

669
01:11:53,380 --> 01:11:54,200
That's what please vote.

670
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:08,180
Has everybody voted?

671
01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:10,200
Councilmember Hightower and Hoffman.

672
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:12,740
Mrs. Hightower, please vote.

673
01:12:13,380 --> 01:12:13,960
Mrs. Hoffman?

674
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:14,920
I

675
01:12:21,100 --> 01:12:23,980
vote yes, my voting screen did not come up for some reason.

676
01:12:26,590 --> 01:12:36,690
And that passes eight to one with Mrs. Abusuator recused, eight to zero with Mrs. Abusuator

677
01:12:36,690 --> 01:12:37,510
recused.

678
01:12:37,810 --> 01:12:39,010
Thank you.

679
01:12:41,070 --> 01:12:49,510
Item I4 is an ordinance establishing, I want to make sure I'm in there, it is, item I4 is

680
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:54,290
an ordinance establishing, Tanger Center General Capital Improvements Fund,

681
01:12:56,950 --> 01:12:58,650
moved by Mrs.

682
01:12:58,810 --> 01:13:00,910
Abusawaiter, seconded by Mayor Pro Tem,

683
01:13:05,970 --> 01:13:10,430
and just for general knowledge.

684
01:13:10,930 --> 01:13:15,750
This is to be able to spend some of the money that Tanger Center made.

685
01:13:16,090 --> 01:13:16,710
Is that correct?

686
01:13:17,850 --> 01:13:19,050
Council Member Hoffman.

687
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:26,860
You know, the voting link is not coming up, I'm voting for it.

688
01:13:26,860 --> 01:13:33,400
So, again, this is money that they've earned that we are allowing them to spend in that

689
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:34,600
past is 9 to 0.

690
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:35,620
Thank you.

691
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:39,260
Item I-5, boards and commission list.

692
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:42,120
Mrs. Hightower?

693
01:13:42,940 --> 01:13:43,580
No?

694
01:13:44,020 --> 01:13:44,640
Dr. Wells?

695
01:13:56,020 --> 01:14:00,360
That was seconded by Mayor Pro Tem. All in favor say aye.

696
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:00,420
Aye.

697
01:14:00,620 --> 01:14:01,020
Aye.

698
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:02,240
Mrs. Hoffman.

699
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:03,760
Aye.

700
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:05,880
Dr. Wells.

701
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:06,540
Anyone else?

702
01:14:06,980 --> 01:14:07,020
Yes.

703
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:08,240
Mr. Misini.

704
01:14:08,900 --> 01:14:10,040
Motion to adjourn.

705
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:10,540
No.

706
01:14:14,060 --> 01:14:15,680
Do you have any boards and commissions?

707
01:14:18,220 --> 01:14:19,440
So, Mrs. Hoffman.

708
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:23,520
I have no appointments, Mayor.

709
01:14:23,660 --> 01:14:23,900
Thank you.

710
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:24,540
Mrs. Thurne.

711
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:26,200
Mayor Pro Tem.

712
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:28,240
Mrs. Abusaweider.

713
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:34,420
Mr. Holston, all right. Council comments, Mrs. Hightower?

714
01:14:36,750 --> 01:14:38,410
So, first of all, let me just say,

715
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:42,190
yeah, we're going to adjourn on a high note. Mr. Hightower.

716
01:14:42,650 --> 01:14:44,450
Mr. Hightower.

717
01:14:47,260 --> 01:14:47,460
So,

718
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:55,820
for many of you all, I'll leave that coming for last. One thing I do want to,

719
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:59,880
I have a concern about Mr. Sidious, man.

720
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:11,640
Senator, you know, we voted a few months ago to do a Southeast area plan. And while I think

721
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:18,500
maybe now there's been an RFP to get someone to do that, this thing has been dragging out

722
01:15:18,500 --> 01:15:27,000
and dragging out. So most recently, there's been discussion of an overlay district for

723
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:33,640
But down friendly, Mr. City Attorney, I asked you today because I've heard some things

724
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:35,960
saying overlay districts aren't allowed.

725
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:36,840
I don't know.

726
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:39,380
Were you checking that out for me?

727
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:44,580
If it's not allowed, then why are we doing it, then stop.

728
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:52,980
But if it is allowed, what is the process, and why is it moving faster than the Southeast

729
01:15:52,980 --> 01:15:54,500
area playing it?

730
01:15:54,500 --> 01:16:03,340
I won't ever rethink to stop until the South East area plan has begun.

731
01:16:04,380 --> 01:16:16,630
We talked about it, we gave direction to do it, and yet it's just like whatever it is.

732
01:16:16,850 --> 01:16:22,690
I try to do, just get hung up, get stopped, I don't get it, but something else come along

733
01:16:23,490 --> 01:16:31,430
And that just rolled to the point that I saw it on the news, I even saw it on the news.

734
01:16:32,410 --> 01:16:36,110
And the news says, I'm going to be a public hearing in January with a look.

735
01:16:36,590 --> 01:16:38,270
I'm like, well, what, what,

736
01:16:40,770 --> 01:16:42,730
please make me understand this.

737
01:16:43,290 --> 01:16:45,050
Because right now I don't.

738
01:16:46,330 --> 01:16:50,250
And until we get this moving properly,

739
01:16:51,950 --> 01:16:57,630
We need to focus only on what we said we were going to do months ago.

740
01:16:58,010 --> 01:17:04,870
We committed and the council did vote to support a Southeast and area plan.

741
01:17:06,110 --> 01:17:07,430
That needs to happen.

742
01:17:09,700 --> 01:17:14,600
I mean, if I didn't respond to that, the planning director is not here, but I don't know

743
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:15,980
where this is coming from.

744
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:17,240
Nothing has changed.

745
01:17:17,580 --> 01:17:18,380
Nothing has stopped.

746
01:17:18,380 --> 01:17:26,720
We issued a request for proposal and I believe that that request for proposal either the deadline just came and went or is almost.

747
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:37,460
I know that personally, I had planning firms that reached out to me because they saw it posted as as recently as two weeks ago, three weeks ago.

748
01:17:37,460 --> 01:17:43,340
So, I'm not sure where it's coming from that nothing has been going forward.

749
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:45,260
I know that things have been moving forward.

750
01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:50,700
I saw an email from Krista Black earlier and I just want to caution on Council that sometimes

751
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:58,720
people make assumptions without necessarily verifying, you know, their facts or their information.

752
01:17:59,420 --> 01:18:04,480
Council did not ask us to do an overlay district, they did ask us to move forward on this

753
01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:11,940
this area plan. And I know that we are. And I know that there's even being conversations

754
01:18:11,940 --> 01:18:22,500
around bringing a staff person on board to help manage that effort. And so again, unless

755
01:18:22,500 --> 01:18:28,060
someone tells me that if had otherwise, I do know that in what I've been briefed on, as

756
01:18:28,060 --> 01:18:31,920
recently as a last week. Nothing has changed. Everything is

757
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,560
still moving. I'm not saying nothing has changed. What I'm

758
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:39,920
saying to you is there's there's two paths. I saw the email

759
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:45,000
from Miss Black as well. I'm not concerned about our email

760
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:52,580
while it was factual. In essence, that's not the point. The

761
01:18:52,580 --> 01:19:01,280
point is I brought this up months ago and it just seems to have drug and drug and drug.

762
01:19:01,700 --> 01:19:08,000
Now I hear about an overlay issue. That's not something that has been made up. That's

763
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:17,280
something I saw on the Fox 8 News myself that I saw and they even listed a schedule of

764
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:23,640
going to be public hearings. It was moving forward in January. And I'm like, well, once again,

765
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:30,860
we got a plan in another area that can move quicker than the one we've been talking about

766
01:19:30,860 --> 01:19:36,160
and waiting on. And we've been very patient because I get this process, I get you on the

767
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:42,420
doing R.P. You want to get your proper planner, but again, I want all the focus on this random

768
01:19:42,420 --> 01:19:48,840
road corridor in the southeast area. You know there's things that now starting to happen

769
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:58,160
in that area that if we don't have some kind of say in, it's just going to be a mishmash of

770
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:02,300
stuff. It's going to be something very similar to what we have tonight. We're going one thing in

771
01:20:02,300 --> 01:20:08,660
the county, one thing in the city. One thing here, one thing there. We need to, I'm going to say it,

772
01:20:08,660 --> 01:20:19,060
But I need some, I need to feel like that there is some urgency, there is some concern.

773
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:23,200
I just need to feel that way and I don't feel that way.

774
01:20:23,620 --> 01:20:29,320
When you see the news and you hear what was said on the news and you're like, where did

775
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:30,060
this come from?

776
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:32,220
Where did this overlay district come from?

777
01:20:32,380 --> 01:20:34,180
Where did this move forward come from?

778
01:20:34,180 --> 01:20:39,680
I just, I just need to feel like there is some focus on it.

779
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:40,580
Are you talking about it?

780
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:41,180
I really do.

781
01:20:41,300 --> 01:20:47,040
Overlay District, Southeast or for another, I don't understand the connection between

782
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:47,580
Overlay.

783
01:20:47,980 --> 01:20:51,820
There's a, that's being proposed for the friendly avenue, Gary.

784
01:20:52,980 --> 01:20:54,220
That's being proposed for friendly.

785
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:55,960
The big zoning.

786
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:57,820
It's a whole article in the paper.

787
01:20:58,940 --> 01:21:01,140
It's, it's, it's on the news.

788
01:21:02,940 --> 01:21:10,680
But I'm saying to you, I really don't want to have to say what I really feel down here.

789
01:21:12,730 --> 01:21:18,190
Yeah, I understand what you're saying, but I will also say that it's almost like comparing

790
01:21:18,190 --> 01:21:24,270
our first two oranges over the district on the area plan and not the same thing and one

791
01:21:24,270 --> 01:21:26,350
requires a different level of effort.

792
01:21:26,490 --> 01:21:29,250
It's not the matter of being the same thing.

793
01:21:29,250 --> 01:21:45,570
I'm not talking about the plan itself, I'm talking about the attention to the plan and how one can, one is moving and one is moving this way and one is moving like this.

794
01:21:46,110 --> 01:21:47,170
That's what I'm speaking.

795
01:21:47,170 --> 01:21:54,030
I'll take a look at it. I would absolutely do, but I'm not, I don't really think it's

796
01:21:54,030 --> 01:22:01,930
because of any malicious intention. If that's the, if that's what I'm hearing, I don't

797
01:22:01,930 --> 01:22:04,710
think it is because of that, but I will, I will look into that.

798
01:22:05,870 --> 01:22:11,390
I just would like to see the attention and the focus on an area that's really growing

799
01:22:11,990 --> 01:22:16,790
And it's grown by leaps and bounds and people in the community want to feel like they're

800
01:22:16,790 --> 01:22:21,650
a part of something going to be designed for them to protect them.

801
01:22:22,490 --> 01:22:29,030
And that that's what's not being felt and maybe something's happening behind the scene

802
01:22:29,030 --> 01:22:32,390
but it's right now it doesn't feel good, doesn't feel like it.

803
01:22:32,710 --> 01:22:34,190
Thank you.

804
01:22:34,450 --> 01:22:34,990
One last two.

805
01:22:35,110 --> 01:22:35,450
Thank you.

806
01:22:36,150 --> 01:22:36,870
Thank you.

807
01:22:36,870 --> 01:22:44,690
Um, and so lastly, as all of you know, I've been out because I am now a new grandmother

808
01:22:44,690 --> 01:22:53,830
and I've got a brand new grand girl, a beautiful girl named Skylin' Brielle and she is the

809
01:22:53,830 --> 01:23:01,610
love of my heart and I will be working harder than ever to make sure this community is a

810
01:23:01,610 --> 01:23:10,100
a good place for her to live, so yeah, so she is beautiful,

811
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,300
she's very beautiful, and she's a sweetheart,

812
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:18,080
and so this has been the best few weeks,

813
01:23:18,620 --> 01:23:22,600
and I look forward to much more joy in the future.

814
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:24,780
So thank you all for understanding

815
01:23:24,780 --> 01:23:26,440
why I was away for a little while.

816
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:30,900
I almost didn't come tonight, but my daughter said,

817
01:23:30,900 --> 01:23:40,100
it's okay. I just love the way she makes you smile. Yeah she's yeah she doesn't

818
01:23:40,100 --> 01:23:48,060
she wants she's my little Lollipop. So thank you all. Dr. Wells?

819
01:23:51,020 --> 01:23:52,120
Hope that everyone will

820
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:58,420
have a blessed holiday season and it's good for all of us to be together.

821
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:02,700
I'm

822
01:24:02,700 --> 01:24:07,700
being a grandmother. And I think all of us up here know the joy of having grandchildren.

823
01:24:08,220 --> 01:24:15,020
So wish all of you a happy holiday. Merry Christmas. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, what's that?

824
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:21,760
I'm sorry. That's it. Mercate. Mr. Hussain. And you keep looking. I'll keep hoping and hoping

825
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:28,560
and praying. Thank you. Mr. Zach Methini.

826
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:33,780
Mrs. Hoffman?

827
01:24:33,780 --> 01:24:34,200
Um,

828
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:50,980
nothing, other mayor, we're living in very troubled times, but you know, I can only wish for, um, for our city and our citizens a holiday of, um, you know, um,

829
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:58,200
an enjoyable holiday with family and friends and for a peaceful time. Thank you very much.

830
01:24:58,460 --> 01:24:59,200
Thank you.

831
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:00,280
Mrs. Thurham?

832
01:25:03,180 --> 01:25:12,080
Likewise, I'd like to wish everybody a wonderful holiday season and a meaningful holiday season filled with peace and joy.

833
01:25:12,900 --> 01:25:19,980
I'd also like to thank those members of the community that came out last week for the rededication of the statue.

834
01:25:22,290 --> 01:25:30,840
As we had a meaningful and very important service at the women of the show, she wouldn't take off her boot statue.

835
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:34,760
and thank you, Madam Mayor, for coming and sharing your fine words with us.

836
01:25:35,100 --> 01:25:36,620
It was very much appreciated.

837
01:25:37,140 --> 01:25:37,520
Thank you.

838
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:40,840
Mayor Pro Tem?

839
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:49,380
I just want to wish all of you and Greensboro and in this country and in this world.

840
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:55,580
If you're celebrating a holiday, a great holiday,

841
01:25:55,580 --> 01:26:12,420
but I wish all of you peace and contentment and love, and I just encourage you to reach out for those you love your family, your friends, and enjoy them and be grateful that you have them.

842
01:26:12,980 --> 01:26:13,320
Thank you.

843
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:14,940
Thank you.

844
01:26:16,300 --> 01:26:30,480
Mr. Speaker, thank you Madam Mayor, just want to make sure that everyone who is traveling is very safe, that we all take this time to reflect and hope that everyone will pray for peace, so thank you.

845
01:26:30,820 --> 01:26:33,700
Thank you. Mr. Holston.

846
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:40,460
Thank you, Madam Mayor. Very briefly. First, thank you so very much for the resolution on homelessness.

847
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:58,140
It's an issue that is really impacting our community and I want to say that this council has done a lot towards homelessness and housing and I look forward to doing even more in the future so that everybody in our community can have a place to call home.

848
01:26:58,140 --> 01:27:04,260
And then also for everyone to have a happy and safe and peaceful holiday season, and we'll see you in 2024.

849
01:27:05,100 --> 01:27:05,720
Thank you Madam Mayor.

850
01:27:06,100 --> 01:27:06,960
Thank you.

851
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:08,920
Did you need to add something Mrs. Hightower?

852
01:27:09,540 --> 01:27:20,100
Yes Madam Mayor, I was so excited about my grand baby, but, yeah, there's one other thing I need to discuss, Mr. City Manager.

853
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:33,880
that SPE that we've I've been waiting for that's another one that I've been that I'll just say again it's moving like this just moving like this.

854
01:27:34,860 --> 01:27:49,580
We went to the legislature we got it passed we fought to get it passed and now just it seems like it's sitting in quick saying and I need to see the urgency around this

855
01:27:49,580 --> 01:27:53,820
We should have already had something proposed in

856
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:58,840
start to be working on, not only just working on it,

857
01:27:58,900 --> 01:28:03,760
but getting the plan implemented alongside the MWBE piece.

858
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,380
There is a small business enterprise piece.

859
01:28:07,580 --> 01:28:09,960
And the first time we went to the state legislature,

860
01:28:10,440 --> 01:28:11,480
they didn't pass it.

861
01:28:12,140 --> 01:28:14,960
The second time we went, we got it.

862
01:28:16,260 --> 01:28:18,280
And so now what are we doing with it?

863
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:24,480
We just we we I just need to see a better sense of urgency when it comes to these things

864
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:29,420
Mayor I don't you know I

865
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:34,540
Know you mayor have been asking me about what's going on with it? What's going on with it?

866
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:40,440
Quite frankly, I don't even know and we don't need to reinvent the wheel on this when

867
01:28:40,440 --> 01:28:43,880
Charlotte and Durham both have SVE programs

868
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:47,920
I don't see why we can't pick pick the best out of both and come up with our own

869
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,700
but it has been, I think, over a year now.

870
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:55,500
Well, it's been, I can go back and find

871
01:28:55,500 --> 01:28:57,520
what it was filed in 2021.

872
01:28:59,300 --> 01:29:02,120
So, it's been too long.

873
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:07,800
And, yeah, I mean, the SBE piece of it

874
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:10,380
should not be that complicated and difficult

875
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:12,360
to put together.

876
01:29:12,500 --> 01:29:14,760
Yes, we want to look at some things here

877
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:17,540
in this area, but we have numbers from before.

878
01:29:17,540 --> 01:29:24,900
we have data why we're not getting it done you won't find any disagreement from me on that one

879
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:33,860
we will we will provide you an update on both of those two items this week thank you so

880
01:29:33,860 --> 01:29:42,940
very much now I end on a good note hey sweetheart Lollipop is your Grammy Mr. Olson you

881
01:29:42,940 --> 01:29:44,540
Did something quick you needed to add?

882
01:29:45,540 --> 01:29:49,880
Yes, I wanted to say congratulations to Bishop George Brooks.

883
01:29:50,780 --> 01:29:55,780
Earlier this month, there was a dedication of the private drive there at Mount Zion Baptist Church.

884
01:29:56,100 --> 01:29:59,800
It was joined there by Mayor Vaughan and also Dr.

885
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Thank you, Wales.

886
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:29,460
And Mayor Pro Tem, I'm sorry, thank you, Mayor Pro Tem, I'm looking right at you. Looking right at you. It was an honor to be there and to celebrate with Bishop Brooks on the dedication of his new private drive. Thank you. I just want to say happy holidays to everyone, no matter how you celebrate. Enjoy the time you have with your families. There are many people in our city and across the globe.

887
01:30:29,460 --> 01:30:36,420
who have empty spaces at the table and if we would keep them in our prayers and

888
01:30:36,940 --> 01:30:42,440
hug our families just a little bit tighter. I think, amen.

889
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:46,940
You guys don't have

890
01:30:46,940 --> 01:30:50,620
anything? Well just also want to wish everyone happy holidays.

891
01:30:54,010 --> 01:30:55,550
Ditto. Motion to

892
01:30:55,550 --> 01:30:59,560
teacher, all in favor say aye.

893
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:01,280
Hi.