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adjourned.

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Don

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t fool yourself. I was

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pointing to you. All right,

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good evening. I

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d like to call

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the MARCH 13, 2025 meeting of

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the Greenville City Council to

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order. I

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m Mayor pj Connolly.

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ll be presiding over

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s meeting. Uh, first, I

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will call it myself for the

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invocation, followed by the

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Pledge of Allegiance. If you

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join me for a moment of silence.

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Thank you. Please stand for the

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Pledge of allegiance. I pledge

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allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to

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the Republic for which it

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stands one nation with the

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liberty and justice for all.

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MADAM Clerk, will you please

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call the roll? Yes, sir. Mayor

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Connelly. Here, Mayor Prote

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Daniels. Council member Foreman

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here. Council member Blackburn.

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Councilor Scali here.

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COUNCILMAN Robinson. Heis here.

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Mayor Connelly, you have a, a

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quorum. Thank you very much.

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Now we move on to the approval

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of tonight

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s agenda. MR. Man,

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there any recommended changes?

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I have no changes, ma

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am. All

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right. Second, all right, most

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have been made by Councillor

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Mayor Willis, seconded by

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Councilor member Scully. All

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those in favor say aye. I

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supposed to say nay. Motion

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passes 60. Thank you very much.

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ll move on to special

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recognitions. I

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d like to ask

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Phyllis House to come forward.

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Mm Tonight we are here to honor

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Phyllis in her retirement from

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the city of Greenville. And I

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would like to uh to give you a

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little bit of background about

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Phyllis and her years here with

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the city. Prior to joining the

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city of Greenville, Phyllis

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dedicated 15 years of her life

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as a social worker for Pitt

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County government before

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deciding to take a step back to

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focus on her family. She

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reentered the workforce in

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NOVEMBER of 2004, taking on a

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part-time role with the city at

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the Greenville Aquatics and

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Fitness Center, where she

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helped with processing

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memberships and providing great

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customer service. In 2010, she

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was promoted to designated part

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time as a member coordinator at

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the Aquatics and Fitness Center,

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and in JUNE of 2021, she earned

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a very deserving promotion to

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full-time staff support

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specialist 3, where she still

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handled all memberships and

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increased membership engagement.

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Phillips

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beloved by the

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members and all of her

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co-workers at the aquatics and

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Fitness Center, but she is best

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known for her cooking, and I

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s awesome. She is the

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The two-time back to back

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champion of the city

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s 2023 and

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2024, United Way Chili Cookoff,

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and the 2024 United Way dessert

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competition. And I

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m formally

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invite Phyllis back next year,

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uh, to defend her titles. And

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for the longest period of time,

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fire rescue, so I know it

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gotta be good. Phyllis has

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truly made a positive impact on

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many Greenville residents and

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visitors. We will all MISS Her

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professionalism, organization,

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and of course her cooking.

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Phyllis, we congratulate you on

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a great career, and we thank

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you for everything that you

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have done to make the lives of

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all those at the Aquatic Center

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Greenville better. It

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of you that we, that when you

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represent everything great

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about this community. Thank you,

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Phyllis. Now I

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Frank Coghlin to come forward.

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tonight to congratulate Frank

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on his retirement with the city

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of Greenville. And I do want to

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give a little bit of background

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about Frank as well. Frank

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dedicated 20 years of service

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to the citizens of Greenville,

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retiring as an ems specialist

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with Greenville Fire Rescue.

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was renowned for his skills as

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a paramedic. His ability to

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teach. And it

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mentoring new employees. His

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extensive knowledge and

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expertise save countless of

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lives. And is approachable,

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caring personality left a

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lasting impression on everyone

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who worked with him. When Frank

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showed up at an emergency, his

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supervisors, peers, and

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subordinates always felt better

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having him there. Frank was a

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beloved figure around the

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station, always embodying the

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role of the senior man. Who

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insured everything ran smoothly.

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accomplishments, Frank was also

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known for his culinary talents,

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especially his famous Chicago

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style deep dish pizza, which

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became a favorite among his

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colleagues. Frank

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marks the end of an era, but

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his legacy will continue to

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inspire and impact the lives of

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those who are fortunate enough

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to work alongside him. I

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known Frank for a long time.

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not find a better guy than this

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right here. And a a better

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steward of everything great

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about the city of Greenville

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and the life that you have

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impacted in the life that you

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have saved. We will never be

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able to thank you enough for

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all you

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service of this city. So thank

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you from on the bottom of my

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heart, thank you for everything

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to invite Haley, Stacy. Kevin

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and Lindsey Yentz, uh, to join

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me on stage. Along with Chief

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Deb. I like to give you a

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little bit of background. About

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something that happened on

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FEBRUARY 10th of this year. On

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FEBRUARY 10, 2025 at 4:59 P.M.

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Greenville Fire Rescue received

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a call. For a female in cardiac

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arrest with cpr in progress at

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the Murphy Center on the ecu

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campus. Upon arrival, ems found

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ecu athletic staff performing

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bystander cpr and using an aed.

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ecu athletic staff include a

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high quality cpr and multiple

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defibrillations with the aed.

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Greenville Fire Rescue staff

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continued high quality cpr with

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advanced life support measures

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until return of spontaneous

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circulation was achieved. MS.

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importance of early recognition

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of sudden cardiac arrest,

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bystander cpr and aed use. In

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early activation of the 911

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system. And That

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technical words to say that we

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have a living miracle. Uh, on

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over the last couple of weeks.

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That on that day, GOD laid his

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hands on you. And also he had

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the right people there at the

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right time. Our fire rescue

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staff and the staff of ecu to

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how many different ways this

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s all said and done, that

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you had the best staff in the

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whole and Wire world

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surrounding you at that point

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in time, and thank GOD above

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that he had the desire to see

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you live another day and to

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fulfill a very healthy life. So

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those that were instrumental in

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performing the life saving

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measures for Haley. And I

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like you to please come forward

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as call out your name if you

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here. If athletic staff

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involved were McKenzie Martin.

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Rachel Wilkerson. Taylor

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Lefever. And Nate Clark. From

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the Greenville Fire Rescue team.

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Jim Lewis. Ashton Stewart Zach

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Price Elizabeth Jackson. Marcus

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Brown. Battalion Chief Bryant

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Bedard. Battalion Chief David

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Brown. And Captain Brandon

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Lockler. Again, you will not

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find a better group of

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individuals. Who every single

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day dedicate their lives. To uh

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to serving this community. I

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say they

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re the ones that are

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behind the scenes, you never

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even know they

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re there, but I

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can guarantee this community

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that they impact every single

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aspect of your life. And I

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say a prayer for their lives

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and every all of other students,

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every single night, because I

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know they

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re out there doing

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everything they can to protect

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our community. And Haley, I

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just say thank GOD that he laid

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his hands on you that day, and

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I am so proud of the and just

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thankful for the life that

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you

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re gonna have ahead of you.

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So thank you. I Oh Oh pushing

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on. I. Yeah Yeah Yes. Ok. A

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quarter of them. Put up in my

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car. Two hours. An eye on that.

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Yeah I know. Wild. Um-hum. I

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said, All right, we will now

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open the public comment period.

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The public comment period is a

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period reserved for comments by

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the public, items that were or

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scheduled to be a subject of a

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public hearing conducted at the

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same meeting or another meeting

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or the same week shall not be

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discussed. A total of 30

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minutes is allocated with each

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individual uh individual being

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allowed no more than 3 minutes.

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Individuals who registered with

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the city clerk to speak will

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speak in the order registered

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until the allotted 30 minutes

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expires. If time remains after

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all persons who have registered

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to have spoken, individuals who

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did not register will have an

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opportunity to speak until the

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allotted 30 minutes expires.

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MADAM Clerk, First speaker? Yes,

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sir. Our first speaker is MS.

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Patsy Duke. MISS Duke, you have

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3 minutes to address the mayor

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and council. Yeah How do you

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wanna. That podium right there,

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ma

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am. Hello, my name is Patsy

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Duke, and I

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m PRESIDENT Of

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Relief. Relief is a tree group

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here in Greenville that you

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help work with because our

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group raises money for trees

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and the city of Greenville

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s

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public works department plants

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them. So we work hard together

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to make a beautiful green. I

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m

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here tonight though to ask for

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your help on an issue, uh, of

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trees, more, having more trees

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in our city. The residents of

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Greenville would like to see

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more trees planted in

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Greenville. And we want to save

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trees from being cut down. And

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this opinion is well documented.

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In the horizon

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s 2026 plan. And

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in the results of the udo open

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houses that were held by

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Inspire, the city

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s udo

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consultant. Right now,

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Greenville

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s canopy tree

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coverage is only 34%. Other

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cities in North Carolina have

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more people, more buildings,

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more concrete, more cars. And

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yet they enjoy a better tree

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canopy than we do. Cities like

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Charlotte, Raleigh, and Durham

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enjoy a tree canopy of 47, 48,

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and 52%. Even Wilmington is in

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better shape than Greenville.

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Prior to Hurricane Florence.

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Wilmington had 48% tree canopy

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coverage. And after the

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hurricane, it was estimated to

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be at 41%. But Greenville has

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34%. How do these cities do it?

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These cities have people, more

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people, more concrete, and more

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cars. And somehow they managed

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to have more trees. Well, it

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s

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not by accident. They work for

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They employ urban foresters and

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arborists to be involved in the

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planning stages of development.

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They have ordinances that

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prevent trees from being cut

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down. They have ordinances that

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require tree planting.

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Sometimes even in new

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residential developments that

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are devoid of trees. They

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inspect to see if the trees of

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commercial properties are still

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there. Or if they need to be

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replanted. They treat their

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trees as the assets to the

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community that they are. And

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many of Greenville

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s residents

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would like to see our city work

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for a greater tree canopy. We

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need your help. Trees are a

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valuable resource. And we need

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to find ways to save the ones

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we have. To plant them where we

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don

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t already have them. And as

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a member of relief and as a

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member of our community. I come

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before you just say. That we

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would like to work with the

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city of Greenville to help our

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city accomplish this goal of a

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greener ring. Thank you. Thank

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you. Thank you, MS. She

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s good.

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That was around. She

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s clerk,

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our next speaker. Yes, sir.

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Next speaker, I

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m sorry, it

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s

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only marked as eca. Speak about

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concerns. We can come back to

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that speaker. Ok. Next speaker

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is MISS Rebecca Powers. MS.

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Powers, you have 3 minutes to

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address the mayor and council.

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Good evening council and Mayor.

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First, thank you for your

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service. You

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re extraordinary

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people. And you appreciate it.

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I

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m here right now to talk to

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you and follow up with what

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MISS Duke said. I

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m Wanting to.

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On behalf of many others, ask

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you all. To ask city staff.

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Work on a tree ordinance. That

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would preserve the trees that

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we currently have. Work on

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increasing the canopy trees,

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which are the big trees that

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provide the shade and all the

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glorious look of a city. And

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Very importantly, hire a

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full-time arborist. A full-time

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urban forester. Because this

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isn

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t something that just the

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volunteers can do, we sure try

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every, every year we plant. 100

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some trees. But it

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s bigger

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than us. And we need your help

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and that urban forester would

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be the person to do it, to have

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that expertise. Thank you.

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Thank you, MS. Powers. Thank

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you, MADAM Clark, our next

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Speaker. Yes, sir. Next speaker

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is Doctor Newman. Doctor Newman,

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you have 3 minutes to address

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the mayor and council. Doctor

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Newman, I

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d just like to know

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you had also noted up here to

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speak about the flag amendment,

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and that would be right during

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public hearing. Hello, good

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evening. Good evening. First, I

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want to start by thanking MR.

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Octagon, our director of Parks

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and Rec, I think he

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s here. He

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was here, yes, uh, I contacted

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him recently about 2 issues.

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One was a massive illegal

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dumping at what is the site of

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future East Side Park. And, uh,

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he followed up on that, called

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me, gave me an update, and told

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me how that situation would be

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remedied. I also called him

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after this very bizarre winter

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storm we had, and there was a

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section of the Greenway, which

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is on the north side of First

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Street Apartments, completely

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shaded, and I think it was 2

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days, maybe 3 days after the

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storm, it was still covered

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with a sheet of ice. So I

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called him, he said, yes, our

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crew hasn

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t been able to get

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out because of the ice, but

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we

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re gonna get out there

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tomorrow, so it was just great,

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you know, he was so responsive

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and so polite, and I really

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appreciated that. So I do want

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to, uh, echo some, some

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comments that have been made

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here previously tonight, and

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you all are very aware of this.

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People have come and spoken

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repeatedly about this. In the

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udo process, the community made

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very clear how they feel about

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trees. A big piece of that is

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two things that I have

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mentioned previously. And first

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I want to say I think every

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time I have come and spoken

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with you, I

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ve said I was so

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excited when this council came

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on board because you represent

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two important things.

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Possibility. An opportunity.

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Possibility to do things

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differently. We have 34% tree

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canopy because things have not

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been done in a thoughtful way

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in the past. Previous city

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councils, previous mayors,

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previous contractors and

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developers did not honor. What

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the community is now telling

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you is important. So we need a

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change of mindset. With

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contractors and developers, we

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see what their methods have

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done that cannot continue.

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That

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s the opportunity to say

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no, we have a chance to do

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things differently, and you can.

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One of the things I

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d like to

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suggest that I think would be

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really helpful in addressing

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solutions. I work with experts

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at ecu, experts in geology,

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hydrology, botany, watershed,

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uh, management, how to do that

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in an integrated way, and this

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is not to diminish the

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expertise of our stormwater

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engineers or planning

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department, just saying we have

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incredible experts at ecu. I

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would like for those people to

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be invited to workshops so that

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you could listen to the things

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that they have to say. These

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are people renowned in their

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field, their, their consultants

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that are are employed by all

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sorts of people to address

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critical environmental issues.

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And I didn

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t realize all these

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things until I started working

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with them. And then I realized,

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well, how would the average

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person know about these things?

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So I, I think it

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s really

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important that you have this

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background information because

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of how much it impacts the way

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you think about the decisions

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you

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00:25:50,921 --> 00:25:51,550
re going to make. Uh, so

578
00:25:51,550 --> 00:25:52,923
I

579
00:25:52,923 --> 00:25:54,691
d like to follow up on this

580
00:25:54,691 --> 00:25:55,392
workshop idea. Thank you. I

581
00:25:55,392 --> 00:25:56,794
appreciate your service. Doctor

582
00:25:56,794 --> 00:25:58,295
Newman. Thanks, Doctor Newman.

583
00:25:58,295 --> 00:26:00,664
MADAM Clerk, our next speaker.

584
00:26:00,664 --> 00:26:01,765
Yes, sir. Next speaker is Ms

585
00:26:01,765 --> 00:26:02,599
Anne Maxwell. MISS Maxwell, you

586
00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:05,599
have 3 minutes to dress the

587
00:26:12,676 --> 00:26:13,143
mayor and council. Hello

588
00:26:13,143 --> 00:26:15,143
everyone. I

589
00:26:15,146 --> 00:26:16,947
m going to talk

590
00:26:16,947 --> 00:26:17,800
about trees outside because as

591
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:18,849
I

592
00:26:18,849 --> 00:26:20,351
ve listened tonight, um, at

593
00:26:20,351 --> 00:26:21,152
all the positive things that

594
00:26:21,152 --> 00:26:24,152
have happened in Greenville. I

595
00:26:24,822 --> 00:26:28,159
want The tree issue to also be

596
00:26:28,159 --> 00:26:30,594
positive, and it is not now.

597
00:26:30,594 --> 00:26:32,896
Because when there was a tree

598
00:26:32,896 --> 00:26:35,896
assessment done and our tree

599
00:26:36,300 --> 00:26:39,360
canopy was 34%. And all over

600
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:40,437
the state, it was much higher.

601
00:26:40,437 --> 00:26:41,380
And even talking to a developer,

602
00:26:41,380 --> 00:26:42,440
he said it

603
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:43,440
s harder for us to

604
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,276
keep the trees because of what

605
00:26:46,276 --> 00:26:47,177
we have to do the sites in

606
00:26:47,177 --> 00:26:49,577
eastern North Carolina, but

607
00:26:50,648 --> 00:26:51,248
then I look at Wilmington,

608
00:26:51,248 --> 00:26:53,248
certainly eastern North

609
00:26:53,584 --> 00:26:55,453
Carolina and they have a much

610
00:26:55,453 --> 00:26:57,988
higher tree canopy than us, so

611
00:26:57,988 --> 00:27:00,758
I know we can do something. And

612
00:27:00,758 --> 00:27:01,925
in the assessment, it has a

613
00:27:01,925 --> 00:27:04,925
wealth of information that can

614
00:27:06,196 --> 00:27:06,897
be used by the city to set a

615
00:27:06,897 --> 00:27:09,297
community-wide tree canopy gold.

616
00:27:11,535 --> 00:27:13,170
And one of the things that um

617
00:27:13,170 --> 00:27:15,373
has been has really not helped

618
00:27:15,373 --> 00:27:19,573
us is to have only a part-time

619
00:27:20,811 --> 00:27:23,811
arborist. Because this we need

620
00:27:24,148 --> 00:27:26,616
to have a full-time urban

621
00:27:26,616 --> 00:27:28,552
forester in this city because

622
00:27:28,552 --> 00:27:31,552
currently our arbors works in

623
00:27:32,123 --> 00:27:33,356
public works, and he helps with

624
00:27:33,356 --> 00:27:36,793
the public trees and that kind

625
00:27:36,793 --> 00:27:37,395
of thing, but there is nobody

626
00:27:37,395 --> 00:27:39,795
working with our planning

627
00:27:40,698 --> 00:27:43,133
department. Where most of the

628
00:27:43,133 --> 00:27:44,902
trees are cut. Um, and it

629
00:27:44,902 --> 00:27:46,902
s sad

630
00:27:47,771 --> 00:27:49,707
to me because when now when a

631
00:27:49,707 --> 00:27:51,809
developer presents a site plan

632
00:27:51,809 --> 00:27:52,109
to the plant staff, and it

633
00:27:52,109 --> 00:27:53,944
s

634
00:27:53,944 --> 00:27:56,344
approved, the developer can

635
00:27:58,148 --> 00:27:59,517
clear cut the property. And so

636
00:27:59,517 --> 00:28:02,986
all of our wonderful trees are

637
00:28:02,986 --> 00:28:03,487
leaving us. Um, and I

638
00:28:03,487 --> 00:28:05,487
ve worked

639
00:28:05,889 --> 00:28:08,659
I worked on a committee for

640
00:28:08,659 --> 00:28:11,620
almost a year, that put a lot

641
00:28:11,620 --> 00:28:15,262
of time in this, and I wish

642
00:28:15,833 --> 00:28:17,268
that you all would have. Um And

643
00:28:17,268 --> 00:28:19,169
your pike with relief and a

644
00:28:19,169 --> 00:28:19,670
friend of hers who

645
00:28:19,670 --> 00:28:21,670
s an urban

646
00:28:22,539 --> 00:28:24,909
forester, meet with you all at

647
00:28:24,909 --> 00:28:27,909
your next workshop session and

648
00:28:28,378 --> 00:28:31,215
go over what we put in our plan

649
00:28:31,215 --> 00:28:33,283
because we read the plans for

650
00:28:33,283 --> 00:28:35,753
cities all over North Carolina,

651
00:28:35,753 --> 00:28:36,320
and it was just really sad to

652
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:37,788
see that Greenville didn

653
00:28:37,788 --> 00:28:37,989
t. We

654
00:28:37,989 --> 00:28:39,989
didn

655
00:28:40,658 --> 00:28:44,258
t have a plan. And when,

656
00:28:44,962 --> 00:28:45,996
and I saw the book from um

657
00:28:45,996 --> 00:28:48,396
Wilmington, where they, they

658
00:28:50,267 --> 00:28:51,268
have a, the Wilmington Urban

659
00:28:51,268 --> 00:28:51,669
Forestry plan and it

660
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:53,669
s a

661
00:28:54,105 --> 00:28:55,706
beautiful book where they spell

662
00:28:55,706 --> 00:28:58,742
out everything what needs to be

663
00:28:58,742 --> 00:29:01,142
planted, where, why. Another

664
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:07,284
sad piece is that We have 30%,

665
00:29:07,284 --> 00:29:09,284
34% tree canopy and 30%

666
00:29:10,555 --> 00:29:11,322
impervious surface. So there

667
00:29:11,322 --> 00:29:12,623
s

668
00:29:12,623 --> 00:29:15,559
a lot that we have a plan that

669
00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:16,393
would be helpful. So thank you

670
00:29:16,393 --> 00:29:19,630
very much. Thank you. Thank you.

671
00:29:19,630 --> 00:29:20,965
Thank you, MISS Maxwell. Our

672
00:29:20,965 --> 00:29:21,498
next speaker. You don

673
00:29:21,498 --> 00:29:22,266
t have

674
00:29:22,266 --> 00:29:22,833
any additional registered

675
00:29:22,833 --> 00:29:23,330
speakers. Anyone else I

676
00:29:23,330 --> 00:29:23,834
d like

677
00:29:23,834 --> 00:29:24,568
to speak during the public

678
00:29:24,568 --> 00:29:25,336
comment period, please come

679
00:29:25,336 --> 00:29:28,336
forward, state your name for

680
00:29:29,406 --> 00:29:32,406
the record. You have 3 minutes.

681
00:29:34,345 --> 00:29:38,849
Yeah Do we want to go back and

682
00:29:38,849 --> 00:29:39,950
try this, or eca. MR. And MRS.

683
00:29:39,950 --> 00:29:42,950
Eca, you have 3 minutes to

684
00:29:53,864 --> 00:29:54,198
dress the mayor and council.

685
00:29:54,198 --> 00:29:54,865
See none we

686
00:29:54,865 --> 00:29:55,800
ll close the public

687
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:56,734
comment period. We

688
00:29:56,734 --> 00:29:58,370
ll move on

689
00:29:58,370 --> 00:30:00,770
to appointments, MADAM Clerk,

690
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:03,941
when you are ready. Um, first

691
00:30:03,941 --> 00:30:04,575
board is the Affordable housing

692
00:30:04,575 --> 00:30:06,575
loan Committee, COUNCILMAN

693
00:30:08,612 --> 00:30:10,547
Foreman. Uh, that is, um,

694
00:30:10,547 --> 00:30:12,483
Probably most, one of our most

695
00:30:12,483 --> 00:30:12,583
efficient boards, uh, but I

696
00:30:12,583 --> 00:30:13,951
m

697
00:30:13,951 --> 00:30:15,520
going to wait until next month

698
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:16,253
so that I can contact them to

699
00:30:16,253 --> 00:30:16,587
make sure they want to be real.

700
00:30:16,587 --> 00:30:18,587
Ok. Yes, ma

701
00:30:19,490 --> 00:30:20,924
am. Next we have

702
00:30:20,924 --> 00:30:21,492
the board of adjustment Council

703
00:30:21,492 --> 00:30:22,360
member Blackburn. I

704
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,360
d like to

705
00:30:26,864 --> 00:30:29,600
appoint Jeremy Jordan. Do we

706
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:30,901
have a second? A second.

707
00:30:30,901 --> 00:30:33,437
Motions been made by Councilor

708
00:30:33,437 --> 00:30:35,272
Blackburn, say goodbye. Council

709
00:30:35,272 --> 00:30:37,275
member Willis, all those in

710
00:30:37,275 --> 00:30:38,342
favor say aye as opposed to say

711
00:30:38,342 --> 00:30:40,578
nay. Motion passes 6 to 0.

712
00:30:40,578 --> 00:30:42,312
Congratulations, MR. Jordan. Ok.

713
00:30:42,312 --> 00:30:42,880
Next we have the historic

714
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,880
preservation Commission,

715
00:30:46,550 --> 00:30:46,784
Council member Blackburn. Yes,

716
00:30:46,784 --> 00:30:48,784
um, I

717
00:30:49,820 --> 00:30:52,356
d like to appoint a she,

718
00:30:52,356 --> 00:30:52,756
a shish Kachandani. He

719
00:30:52,756 --> 00:30:54,756
s

720
00:30:55,392 --> 00:30:56,270
actually a doctor Kajaani, uh,

721
00:30:56,270 --> 00:30:58,427
Susan Daughtry and Catherine

722
00:30:58,729 --> 00:30:58,963
Marriott. Ok. All right,

723
00:30:58,963 --> 00:30:59,830
motion

724
00:30:59,830 --> 00:31:01,632
s been made by council

725
00:31:01,632 --> 00:31:02,734
member Blackburn, seconded by

726
00:31:02,734 --> 00:31:04,969
Mayor Protem Daniels. All those

727
00:31:04,969 --> 00:31:08,569
in favor say aye, as opposed

728
00:31:12,777 --> 00:31:13,978
say nay. Motion passes. Doctor.

729
00:31:13,978 --> 00:31:15,746
Hanan Chande done. That was

730
00:31:15,746 --> 00:31:17,881
different than the first time

731
00:31:17,881 --> 00:31:19,150
you said and I apologize for,

732
00:31:19,150 --> 00:31:20,618
for not doing a good job, but I,

733
00:31:20,618 --> 00:31:23,154
but I know him as a she, so I

734
00:31:23,154 --> 00:31:25,957
just, I. What were the other

735
00:31:25,957 --> 00:31:26,958
two? Uh, Susan Daughtry and

736
00:31:26,958 --> 00:31:28,426
Catherine Marriott.

737
00:31:28,426 --> 00:31:31,426
Congratulations to all the new

738
00:31:31,462 --> 00:31:32,863
appointed commissioners. Ok.

739
00:31:32,863 --> 00:31:33,597
Next we have the human

740
00:31:33,597 --> 00:31:35,597
relations Council. Council

741
00:31:37,301 --> 00:31:38,702
member Willis. Yes, um, I have,

742
00:31:38,702 --> 00:31:39,404
and a couple of them mayor

743
00:31:39,404 --> 00:31:39,836
wanted to be here tonight. So

744
00:31:39,836 --> 00:31:40,337
if you

745
00:31:40,337 --> 00:31:42,539
re in the audience, if

746
00:31:42,539 --> 00:31:44,441
you could just wave at me, um,

747
00:31:44,441 --> 00:31:46,410
Donald Rivers. Yeah, here you

748
00:31:46,410 --> 00:31:50,100
go. Hi, MR. Rivers, um, Ashley

749
00:31:51,448 --> 00:31:51,916
Oaks. And uh summer bad one,

750
00:31:51,916 --> 00:31:53,916
and that

751
00:31:55,986 --> 00:31:56,921
s s a m a r. Summer.

752
00:31:56,921 --> 00:31:57,488
All right, motion has been made

753
00:31:57,488 --> 00:31:58,456
by Council Mayor Willis,

754
00:31:58,456 --> 00:32:00,291
seconded by Mayor Pro Tem

755
00:32:00,291 --> 00:32:02,292
Daniels. All those in favor say

756
00:32:02,292 --> 00:32:03,861
hi, as opposed to say nay.

757
00:32:03,861 --> 00:32:05,861
Motion passes 60.

758
00:32:07,765 --> 00:32:10,765
Congratulations to our new. Hrc

759
00:32:11,635 --> 00:32:13,671
hrc members. Welcome back. Next

760
00:32:13,671 --> 00:32:14,238
we have the multimodal

761
00:32:14,238 --> 00:32:15,806
transportation commission

762
00:32:15,806 --> 00:32:16,707
council member Scully. Thank

763
00:32:16,707 --> 00:32:17,975
you. I

764
00:32:17,975 --> 00:32:20,975
d like to reappoint, uh,

765
00:32:22,780 --> 00:32:24,649
James Bird. Kelly Gonzalez,

766
00:32:24,649 --> 00:32:27,490
Arcena Dixon, Catherine Dale,

767
00:32:27,218 --> 00:32:28,285
and Joey x Austin. That leaves

768
00:32:28,285 --> 00:32:29,586
one position that I

769
00:32:29,586 --> 00:32:31,188
d like to

770
00:32:31,188 --> 00:32:31,455
appoint next month. So motion

771
00:32:31,455 --> 00:32:32,557
s

772
00:32:32,557 --> 00:32:33,524
been made by council member

773
00:32:33,524 --> 00:32:35,326
Scully seconded by Council

774
00:32:35,326 --> 00:32:36,827
member Willis. All those in

775
00:32:36,827 --> 00:32:38,362
favor say aye, as opposed to

776
00:32:38,362 --> 00:32:40,430
say nay motion passes 6 to 0.

777
00:32:40,430 --> 00:32:42,830
Congratulations, MR. Bird, MISS

778
00:32:44,235 --> 00:32:46,635
Gonzalez. Dixie MISS Dixon,

779
00:32:46,637 --> 00:32:49,390
MISS Dale, and MR. Austin.

780
00:32:49,390 --> 00:32:49,773
There we go. Next we have the

781
00:32:49,773 --> 00:32:50,541
police community relations

782
00:32:50,541 --> 00:32:51,442
Committee. Again, this is a

783
00:32:51,442 --> 00:32:53,842
direct appointment, does not

784
00:32:53,845 --> 00:32:55,450
need a second or a vote. Um,

785
00:32:55,450 --> 00:32:55,146
council member Blackburn. I

786
00:32:55,146 --> 00:32:56,130
d

787
00:32:56,130 --> 00:32:59,130
like to appoint, uh, Greg

788
00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:01,500
Rubble. All right,

789
00:33:02,152 --> 00:33:04,880
congratulations MR. Rubble. Ok,

790
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:05,757
and finally we have the youth

791
00:33:05,757 --> 00:33:06,290
council, council member Willis.

792
00:33:06,290 --> 00:33:07,158
Yes, so if you

793
00:33:07,158 --> 00:33:09,558
re here, if you

794
00:33:09,693 --> 00:33:13,293
wave at me, MISS Maya Swaggerty.

795
00:33:14,432 --> 00:33:15,399
Um, MS. Kinzie Letchworth. And

796
00:33:15,399 --> 00:33:17,935
MR. Daniel Mills. MR. Mills,

797
00:33:17,935 --> 00:33:19,470
can you stand up? You look so

798
00:33:19,470 --> 00:33:20,400
nice. Thank you for being here

799
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,106
and congrats. Oh, I

800
00:33:22,106 --> 00:33:24,106
m sorry,

801
00:33:24,876 --> 00:33:25,776
not yet. All right, motions

802
00:33:25,776 --> 00:33:27,111
were made by Councillor Will,

803
00:33:27,111 --> 00:33:29,460
seconded by Mayor Pro Tem

804
00:33:29,460 --> 00:33:31,582
Daniels, all those in favor say

805
00:33:31,582 --> 00:33:33,517
aye I suppose say nay.

806
00:33:33,517 --> 00:33:34,452
Congratulations.

807
00:33:34,452 --> 00:33:34,986
Congratulations.

808
00:33:34,986 --> 00:33:36,870
Congratulations, MISS

809
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:38,880
Letchworth, and MR. Mills,

810
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,880
right? All right,

811
00:33:40,558 --> 00:33:41,659
congratulations. And that

812
00:33:41,659 --> 00:33:43,561
concludes our appointments. All

813
00:33:43,561 --> 00:33:43,727
right. Thank you very much.

814
00:33:43,727 --> 00:33:45,620
We

815
00:33:45,620 --> 00:33:46,864
ll now move on to the

816
00:33:46,864 --> 00:33:49,264
consent agenda. MR. Manager.

817
00:33:50,301 --> 00:33:51,269
Thank you, Mayor. Item number 5,

818
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:52,603
amendment to previously entered

819
00:33:52,603 --> 00:33:55,173
lease with boys and Girls Clubs

820
00:33:55,173 --> 00:33:56,240
of the coastal plain. A North

821
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,107
Carolina nonprofit corporation

822
00:33:57,107 --> 00:33:58,275
for property situated within

823
00:33:58,275 --> 00:34:00,611
the city of Greenville County,

824
00:34:00,611 --> 00:34:02,580
North Carolina, known as

825
00:34:02,580 --> 00:34:03,547
Lucille and w w w Gorham

826
00:34:03,547 --> 00:34:05,547
Intergenerational Center

827
00:34:05,950 --> 00:34:07,885
located at 1100 Ward Street,

828
00:34:07,885 --> 00:34:09,687
1101 Ward Street. I number 6,

829
00:34:09,687 --> 00:34:11,155
resolution of intent to close a

830
00:34:11,155 --> 00:34:13,124
portion of Grand Avenue. I have

831
00:34:13,124 --> 00:34:15,580
number 7, resolution accepting

832
00:34:15,580 --> 00:34:15,893
dedication of rights of way and

833
00:34:15,893 --> 00:34:18,950
easements for Katie Farms phase

834
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:19,597
one. Item number 8, resolution

835
00:34:19,597 --> 00:34:21,632
and deed of release for

836
00:34:21,632 --> 00:34:23,167
abandonment of a 10 ft wide

837
00:34:23,167 --> 00:34:25,503
sewer easement across tax

838
00:34:25,503 --> 00:34:27,400
parcel number 48303. Number 9,

839
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,340
resolution for the issuance of

840
00:34:29,340 --> 00:34:30,875
a of new debt for Greenville

841
00:34:30,875 --> 00:34:32,430
Utilities Commission combined

842
00:34:32,430 --> 00:34:34,443
Enterprise System revenue bonds

843
00:34:34,545 --> 00:34:35,413
Series 2025. And item number 10,

844
00:34:35,413 --> 00:34:37,813
various tax refunds greater

845
00:34:44,321 --> 00:34:46,190
than $100. All right. Motion to

846
00:34:46,190 --> 00:34:48,993
approve. No, no, no, no. I had

847
00:34:48,993 --> 00:34:49,660
a question about that, that no.

848
00:34:49,660 --> 00:34:53,260
I had a question about that,

849
00:34:54,398 --> 00:34:54,599
that 10. What

850
00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:55,232
s today

851
00:34:55,232 --> 00:34:56,700
s date? 5

852
00:34:56,700 --> 00:34:57,868
through 10 5 through 10. All

853
00:34:57,868 --> 00:34:58,670
right. Most have been made by

854
00:34:58,670 --> 00:34:59,670
Blackburn, seconded by

855
00:34:59,670 --> 00:35:01,380
Councilor Mayor Robinson, all

856
00:35:01,380 --> 00:35:03,241
those in favor say aye, I

857
00:35:03,241 --> 00:35:06,241
suppose, say nay. Motion passes

858
00:35:06,744 --> 00:35:09,346
6th year I need to take a quick

859
00:35:09,346 --> 00:35:09,447
break MAY MAY all right, we

860
00:35:09,447 --> 00:35:10,682
ll

861
00:35:10,682 --> 00:35:11,416
move on to new business, which

862
00:35:11,416 --> 00:35:12,716
is the public hearings. This is

863
00:35:12,716 --> 00:35:13,685
the policy of the public

864
00:35:13,685 --> 00:35:15,190
hearings adopted by the city

865
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:15,652
council, the petitioner, or

866
00:35:15,652 --> 00:35:16,988
representative of the

867
00:35:16,988 --> 00:35:18,156
petitioner and a leader of

868
00:35:18,156 --> 00:35:19,190
those in opposition will each

869
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:20,458
have 10 minutes. Persons

870
00:35:20,458 --> 00:35:21,325
following them will have up to

871
00:35:21,325 --> 00:35:22,860
3 minutes each with a total for

872
00:35:22,860 --> 00:35:23,861
each side and no more than 30

873
00:35:23,861 --> 00:35:24,963
minutes. Additionally, I want

874
00:35:24,963 --> 00:35:27,365
to remind those in attendance

875
00:35:27,365 --> 00:35:28,299
to extend the courtesy to

876
00:35:28,299 --> 00:35:30,634
persons speaking during the

877
00:35:30,634 --> 00:35:31,969
public hearings. And to the

878
00:35:31,969 --> 00:35:32,670
city council during discussion

879
00:35:32,670 --> 00:35:34,205
comments made by members of the

880
00:35:34,205 --> 00:35:36,507
public are to occur only during

881
00:35:36,507 --> 00:35:37,374
the public hearing in the loud

882
00:35:37,374 --> 00:35:38,900
as allowed by the mayor in

883
00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:39,343
accordance with the adopt the

884
00:35:39,343 --> 00:35:40,444
policy of the city council.

885
00:35:40,444 --> 00:35:41,212
There should be no

886
00:35:41,212 --> 00:35:43,481
interruptions of speakers or

887
00:35:43,481 --> 00:35:44,215
council members. Including his

888
00:35:44,215 --> 00:35:45,150
expressions of support or

889
00:35:45,150 --> 00:35:46,284
disagreements, verbally or by

890
00:35:46,284 --> 00:35:47,451
applause, as this is

891
00:35:47,451 --> 00:35:48,853
distracting and makes

892
00:35:48,853 --> 00:35:50,621
discussion difficult. We ask

893
00:35:50,621 --> 00:35:52,757
for your cooperation. Thank you.

894
00:35:52,757 --> 00:35:54,291
MR. Manager, our first public

895
00:35:54,291 --> 00:35:56,930
hearing. Thank you, Mayor. Item

896
00:35:56,930 --> 00:35:58,493
number 11, ordinance to annex

897
00:35:58,930 --> 00:36:00,640
MAY farm lot one property

898
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:01,365
involving 4.697 acres located

899
00:36:01,365 --> 00:36:03,334
at the northwestern corner of

900
00:36:03,334 --> 00:36:04,836
the intersection of East 10th

901
00:36:04,836 --> 00:36:05,169
Street and evolve way. I

902
00:36:05,169 --> 00:36:06,404
ll now

903
00:36:06,404 --> 00:36:06,870
call forward for city planner

904
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:09,270
Chris Kelly for the

905
00:36:10,741 --> 00:36:11,876
presentation. Good evening,

906
00:36:11,876 --> 00:36:14,145
Mayor and COUNCILMAN. Good

907
00:36:14,145 --> 00:36:15,579
evening. This property is

908
00:36:15,579 --> 00:36:17,548
located in the eastern part of

909
00:36:17,548 --> 00:36:19,500
the city, more specifically,

910
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:20,451
this property is located at the

911
00:36:20,451 --> 00:36:21,886
northwestern corner of the

912
00:36:21,886 --> 00:36:23,888
intersection of East 10th

913
00:36:23,888 --> 00:36:24,389
Street and evolved Way north of

914
00:36:24,389 --> 00:36:25,256
the property is Lowe

915
00:36:25,256 --> 00:36:26,624
s and you

916
00:36:26,624 --> 00:36:29,560
have Oak Down Way, which is a

917
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:30,928
signalized light. This property

918
00:36:30,928 --> 00:36:32,430
is located in the Hardy Creek

919
00:36:32,430 --> 00:36:33,531
watershed, and if stormwater

920
00:36:33,531 --> 00:36:35,433
rules apply, will require 10

921
00:36:35,433 --> 00:36:36,867
year detention. The property is

922
00:36:36,867 --> 00:36:38,335
also located in the primary

923
00:36:38,335 --> 00:36:40,638
service area on the tier growth

924
00:36:40,638 --> 00:36:41,272
map, and will be located in, uh,

925
00:36:41,272 --> 00:36:43,672
city council voting district

926
00:36:44,108 --> 00:36:44,976
number 4. This property is

927
00:36:44,976 --> 00:36:46,510
anticipated to yield 30,000

928
00:36:46,510 --> 00:36:47,946
square feet of commercial use,

929
00:36:47,946 --> 00:36:48,646
with an estimated tax value of

930
00:36:48,646 --> 00:36:49,347
$4 million and I

931
00:36:49,347 --> 00:36:50,815
ll be happy to

932
00:36:50,815 --> 00:36:53,815
answer any questions. All right,

933
00:36:54,552 --> 00:36:54,752
any questions for MR. Kelly.

934
00:36:54,752 --> 00:36:55,987
What

935
00:36:55,987 --> 00:36:57,221
s the current zoning on

936
00:36:57,221 --> 00:36:59,560
the property? Cg General

937
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,456
Commercial. Thank you. Any

938
00:37:04,295 --> 00:37:07,198
other questions? Does it meet

939
00:37:07,198 --> 00:37:10,798
our horizons plan? Yes, sir. Ok.

940
00:37:17,241 --> 00:37:19,277
I believe so. A. Do you know

941
00:37:19,277 --> 00:37:21,145
the intended use for the

942
00:37:21,145 --> 00:37:21,712
property? Um, as of right now,

943
00:37:21,712 --> 00:37:23,712
I believe it

944
00:37:23,882 --> 00:37:26,282
s just a variation

945
00:37:28,319 --> 00:37:30,654
of commercial ucg allow. Well,

946
00:37:30,654 --> 00:37:31,656
I did, I did do some a deep

947
00:37:31,656 --> 00:37:31,856
dive on this, and I don

948
00:37:31,856 --> 00:37:32,657
t want

949
00:37:32,657 --> 00:37:32,824
to take your time away, but

950
00:37:32,824 --> 00:37:34,492
it

951
00:37:34,492 --> 00:37:35,559
s supposed to be used for a

952
00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:37,559
tropical smoothie, uh,

953
00:37:37,996 --> 00:37:38,796
commercial center. It will

954
00:37:38,796 --> 00:37:39,296
feature 4 separate, if I

955
00:37:39,296 --> 00:37:41,296
ve got

956
00:37:41,733 --> 00:37:42,733
this correct, um, 4 separate,

957
00:37:42,733 --> 00:37:44,690
uh, commercial entities, one of

958
00:37:44,690 --> 00:37:47,690
them being a tropical smoothie.

959
00:37:47,405 --> 00:37:49,173
But keep in mind moting based

960
00:37:49,173 --> 00:37:52,677
off of just the zoe. Now this

961
00:37:52,677 --> 00:37:54,913
is a side plan. And this is an

962
00:37:54,913 --> 00:37:57,313
annexation, not a rezoning.

963
00:37:58,650 --> 00:38:02,250
There is a. Ok, all right.

964
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,657
Tight plans under review. Right.

965
00:38:05,657 --> 00:38:07,592
Any other questions? If we

966
00:38:07,592 --> 00:38:09,427
annex today with the I playing

967
00:38:09,427 --> 00:38:13,627
come back to us or would that,

968
00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:15,266
yeah. Can they develop this

969
00:38:15,266 --> 00:38:18,266
property while remaining in the

970
00:38:21,739 --> 00:38:24,139
county? Mhm So That

971
00:38:24,141 --> 00:38:25,210
s a very

972
00:38:25,210 --> 00:38:26,544
difficult question. Can they

973
00:38:26,544 --> 00:38:27,780
develop the property in the

974
00:38:27,780 --> 00:38:28,450
same way while remaining

975
00:38:28,450 --> 00:38:29,380
outside of the city limits.

976
00:38:29,380 --> 00:38:32,380
What are they applying for

977
00:38:34,152 --> 00:38:36,552
annexation? The property is

978
00:38:36,587 --> 00:38:36,788
currently zoned commercial.

979
00:38:36,788 --> 00:38:37,555
They

980
00:38:37,555 --> 00:38:41,155
re asking to annex so they

981
00:38:41,425 --> 00:38:42,627
can tie on to sewer. Um, and I

982
00:38:42,627 --> 00:38:43,495
do, I believe there

983
00:38:43,495 --> 00:38:44,862
s a site

984
00:38:44,862 --> 00:38:46,297
plan under review, but I do not

985
00:38:46,297 --> 00:38:48,199
know what that is. However,

986
00:38:48,199 --> 00:38:48,767
counsel never sees site plans.

987
00:38:48,767 --> 00:38:49,167
So you, you

988
00:38:49,167 --> 00:38:52,167
re not going to see

989
00:38:52,837 --> 00:38:55,239
it. At a council meeting. I

990
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:56,374
have a hard time, um, proven

991
00:38:56,374 --> 00:38:56,807
something that I don

992
00:38:56,807 --> 00:38:58,807
t know the

993
00:38:59,244 --> 00:39:00,678
traffic study for us are really

994
00:39:00,678 --> 00:39:01,279
dangerous stretch of road there

995
00:39:01,279 --> 00:39:02,130
if this will help you, I

996
00:39:02,130 --> 00:39:03,581
ll go

997
00:39:03,581 --> 00:39:04,820
ahead and and say. So it

998
00:39:04,820 --> 00:39:04,649
s

999
00:39:04,649 --> 00:39:06,649
already been preliminary

1000
00:39:08,954 --> 00:39:09,921
platted. So this is one lot out

1001
00:39:09,921 --> 00:39:10,540
of several different pieces.

1002
00:39:10,540 --> 00:39:12,540
I

1003
00:39:12,657 --> 00:39:16,227
m gonna dial back just to

1004
00:39:16,227 --> 00:39:16,361
Make sure I get to an aerial.

1005
00:39:16,361 --> 00:39:18,129
I

1006
00:39:18,129 --> 00:39:18,263
m going opposite. I apologize.

1007
00:39:18,263 --> 00:39:20,263
I

1008
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:23,367
m sorry. Here we go. So, This,

1009
00:39:23,367 --> 00:39:26,838
uh, the property you see right

1010
00:39:26,838 --> 00:39:28,773
now is in red. The balance of

1011
00:39:28,773 --> 00:39:31,773
the property here is developing

1012
00:39:32,810 --> 00:39:34,679
into multifamily. This is part

1013
00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:36,180
of a larger subdivision.

1014
00:39:36,180 --> 00:39:38,516
Subdivision has already been

1015
00:39:38,516 --> 00:39:40,285
approved. That was approved

1016
00:39:40,285 --> 00:39:43,285
with dot and city engineering

1017
00:39:43,755 --> 00:39:47,224
as far as the streets and, um,

1018
00:39:47,224 --> 00:39:48,793
Any driveways. This property

1019
00:39:48,793 --> 00:39:49,794
with these apartments, you will

1020
00:39:49,794 --> 00:39:51,950
be able, whether it

1021
00:39:51,950 --> 00:39:51,762
s this lot

1022
00:39:51,762 --> 00:39:51,930
or the apartments themselves,

1023
00:39:51,930 --> 00:39:53,498
you

1024
00:39:53,498 --> 00:39:55,867
ll be able to go down to

1025
00:39:55,867 --> 00:39:56,567
Oak Down Way. Come up, this is

1026
00:39:56,567 --> 00:39:56,734
a signalized intersection, so

1027
00:39:56,734 --> 00:39:57,936
you

1028
00:39:57,936 --> 00:40:01,720
ll be able to make a left

1029
00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:02,173
hand turn at the stoplight. The

1030
00:40:02,173 --> 00:40:02,373
driveway here evolve way,

1031
00:40:02,373 --> 00:40:03,508
that

1032
00:40:03,508 --> 00:40:05,900
s a right in and a right

1033
00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:09,209
out. You will not be able to

1034
00:40:09,547 --> 00:40:10,215
make a left hand turn. And so

1035
00:40:10,215 --> 00:40:10,515
as part of dot

1036
00:40:10,515 --> 00:40:12,515
s review and

1037
00:40:13,918 --> 00:40:16,318
approval. And city engineering.

1038
00:40:17,722 --> 00:40:19,557
That, those parts have already.

1039
00:40:19,557 --> 00:40:22,661
Basically been taken care of as

1040
00:40:22,661 --> 00:40:23,928
far as any kind of uh traffic

1041
00:40:23,928 --> 00:40:24,529
impacts, and that is why it

1042
00:40:24,529 --> 00:40:26,529
s a

1043
00:40:26,631 --> 00:40:28,233
ride in and ride out and not a

1044
00:40:28,233 --> 00:40:29,401
left-hand turn. So there

1045
00:40:29,401 --> 00:40:31,369
ll be

1046
00:40:31,369 --> 00:40:33,404
like lane dividers put in the

1047
00:40:33,404 --> 00:40:34,806
middle delineators or perhaps

1048
00:40:34,806 --> 00:40:35,740
the medians, um, that would

1049
00:40:35,740 --> 00:40:37,242
keep someone coming out and

1050
00:40:37,242 --> 00:40:41,442
making a left hand turn. Can do

1051
00:40:43,481 --> 00:40:43,982
it. Ok. So follow up questions

1052
00:40:43,982 --> 00:40:44,983
here. I

1053
00:40:44,983 --> 00:40:46,717
ve not heard about

1054
00:40:46,717 --> 00:40:48,787
medians. Are, are there plans

1055
00:40:48,787 --> 00:40:49,154
for meetings? I, I can

1056
00:40:49,154 --> 00:40:50,588
t tell

1057
00:40:50,588 --> 00:40:51,890
you right off the top. All I

1058
00:40:51,890 --> 00:40:51,823
can say is it

1059
00:40:51,823 --> 00:40:53,625
s a ride in and a

1060
00:40:53,625 --> 00:40:54,258
ride out. Because that

1061
00:40:54,258 --> 00:40:55,930
s one of

1062
00:40:55,930 --> 00:40:55,460
the issues and, and I don

1063
00:40:55,460 --> 00:40:56,460
t

1064
00:40:56,460 --> 00:40:57,595
want to verge into comments

1065
00:40:57,595 --> 00:40:57,796
just yet, but that

1066
00:40:57,796 --> 00:40:57,895
s, that

1067
00:40:57,895 --> 00:40:59,895
s

1068
00:40:59,964 --> 00:41:02,267
one of the, the, the issues

1069
00:41:02,267 --> 00:41:02,567
with this request to annex is

1070
00:41:02,567 --> 00:41:03,334
that there

1071
00:41:03,334 --> 00:41:03,501
s nothing there.

1072
00:41:03,501 --> 00:41:03,768
It

1073
00:41:03,768 --> 00:41:04,836
s, it

1074
00:41:04,836 --> 00:41:04,936
s wide open. There

1075
00:41:04,936 --> 00:41:05,803
s

1076
00:41:05,803 --> 00:41:07,204
no, there

1077
00:41:07,204 --> 00:41:07,405
s no stoplight,

1078
00:41:07,405 --> 00:41:08,106
there

1079
00:41:08,106 --> 00:41:08,306
s no lane dividers.

1080
00:41:08,306 --> 00:41:09,173
There

1081
00:41:09,173 --> 00:41:11,576
s nothing but a blind

1082
00:41:11,576 --> 00:41:14,112
curve and, and, and, and

1083
00:41:14,112 --> 00:41:14,311
whatever, um, so. Ok, whatever,

1084
00:41:14,311 --> 00:41:15,146
that

1085
00:41:15,146 --> 00:41:15,347
s subjective, but there,

1086
00:41:15,347 --> 00:41:15,680
there

1087
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:16,614
s, there

1088
00:41:16,614 --> 00:41:17,649
s not that and

1089
00:41:17,649 --> 00:41:17,916
to my knowledge, because we

1090
00:41:17,916 --> 00:41:19,384
ve

1091
00:41:19,384 --> 00:41:19,950
worked an awful lot already

1092
00:41:19,950 --> 00:41:20,818
with dot and we

1093
00:41:20,818 --> 00:41:21,118
ve talked with

1094
00:41:21,118 --> 00:41:22,353
dot and we

1095
00:41:22,353 --> 00:41:24,489
ve sent requests to

1096
00:41:24,489 --> 00:41:27,825
dot to my knowledge, I, I know

1097
00:41:27,825 --> 00:41:31,425
of no plans to. Remediate in

1098
00:41:32,830 --> 00:41:33,531
any way this area. Um So if,

1099
00:41:33,531 --> 00:41:34,650
you know, if it

1100
00:41:34,650 --> 00:41:36,134
s right in and

1101
00:41:36,134 --> 00:41:36,334
right out, I, I. I don

1102
00:41:36,334 --> 00:41:36,601
t know

1103
00:41:36,601 --> 00:41:37,301
how that

1104
00:41:37,301 --> 00:41:40,500
s going to be enforced.

1105
00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:42,500
You

1106
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,408
re probably going to have a

1107
00:41:43,408 --> 00:41:43,507
median in the driveway. That

1108
00:41:43,507 --> 00:41:44,910
s

1109
00:41:44,910 --> 00:41:47,546
going to force you to make a

1110
00:41:47,546 --> 00:41:47,712
right-hand turn. But not, we

1111
00:41:47,712 --> 00:41:48,280
don

1112
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,280
t know medians on 10th

1113
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:53,951
Street. I mean, in the driveway

1114
00:41:53,951 --> 00:41:55,387
itself, um, a follow-up

1115
00:41:55,387 --> 00:41:56,855
question to that. Do you know

1116
00:41:56,855 --> 00:41:56,954
when, um, this, and I don

1117
00:41:56,954 --> 00:41:57,656
t

1118
00:41:57,656 --> 00:41:59,424
want to put you on the spot,

1119
00:41:59,424 --> 00:42:03,624
but do you know when this was

1120
00:42:03,628 --> 00:42:06,628
zoned commercial. This has been

1121
00:42:07,832 --> 00:42:09,234
zone commercial one. Yeah, 2008.

1122
00:42:09,234 --> 00:42:11,235
I was going to say 10 years, so

1123
00:42:11,235 --> 00:42:14,720
that would be pretty good. So

1124
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:14,672
is it fair to say that since

1125
00:42:14,672 --> 00:42:15,673
2008, that

1126
00:42:15,673 --> 00:42:15,773
s 10, my math isn

1127
00:42:15,773 --> 00:42:17,773
t

1128
00:42:19,577 --> 00:42:21,880
the best, but, um, 1615 years?

1129
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,280
Plus The conditions have

1130
00:42:24,816 --> 00:42:25,617
changed in this area. Is that a

1131
00:42:25,617 --> 00:42:25,717
fair statement? Uh, I don

1132
00:42:25,717 --> 00:42:26,584
t

1133
00:42:26,584 --> 00:42:28,553
want to put you on the spot,

1134
00:42:28,553 --> 00:42:29,887
but I mean with more

1135
00:42:29,887 --> 00:42:32,287
development around they still

1136
00:42:32,824 --> 00:42:35,226
do a percentage every year to

1137
00:42:35,226 --> 00:42:36,761
build in for build out. And

1138
00:42:36,761 --> 00:42:38,296
they still take into

1139
00:42:38,296 --> 00:42:38,396
consideration things as they

1140
00:42:38,396 --> 00:42:39,597
re

1141
00:42:39,597 --> 00:42:42,000
being developed, kind of like

1142
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:42,266
in a checkbook. So they

1143
00:42:42,266 --> 00:42:44,266
re

1144
00:42:44,936 --> 00:42:48,536
keeping up with the traffic. Ok,

1145
00:42:48,706 --> 00:42:49,407
thank you. Again, you, you feel

1146
00:42:49,407 --> 00:42:49,707
confident that they

1147
00:42:49,707 --> 00:42:50,608
ll be

1148
00:42:50,608 --> 00:42:51,743
delineators, but on the 10th

1149
00:42:51,743 --> 00:42:52,277
Street I can

1150
00:42:52,277 --> 00:42:53,770
t say that. I wish

1151
00:42:53,770 --> 00:42:55,146
i could, but I don

1152
00:42:55,146 --> 00:42:55,247
t know. I

1153
00:42:55,247 --> 00:42:57,247
m

1154
00:42:57,782 --> 00:42:59,170
gonna ask um. Our director of

1155
00:42:59,170 --> 00:43:01,553
Engineering Lisa Kirby, to come

1156
00:43:01,553 --> 00:43:02,787
up and speak to them. I MAY

1157
00:43:02,787 --> 00:43:03,121
have to defer or traffic

1158
00:43:03,121 --> 00:43:03,588
engineer who

1159
00:43:03,588 --> 00:43:05,957
s with me tonight,

1160
00:43:05,957 --> 00:43:07,358
but, um, no, to our knowledge,

1161
00:43:07,358 --> 00:43:08,960
there are no medians going in

1162
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,361
on 10th Street. Um, so you are

1163
00:43:10,361 --> 00:43:11,730
correct in that, um, we have

1164
00:43:11,730 --> 00:43:13,264
not been informed by dot that

1165
00:43:13,264 --> 00:43:16,168
there are medians going in on

1166
00:43:16,168 --> 00:43:17,401
10th Street. However, at the

1167
00:43:17,401 --> 00:43:18,300
driveway, um, to Shante

1168
00:43:18,300 --> 00:43:19,571
s point,

1169
00:43:19,571 --> 00:43:21,440
there will be, we call it a

1170
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:22,607
pork chop, but it prevents left

1171
00:43:22,607 --> 00:43:24,575
turns. It forces you to go

1172
00:43:24,575 --> 00:43:25,810
right, um, and only allows

1173
00:43:25,810 --> 00:43:28,413
right in, would be a dual pork

1174
00:43:28,413 --> 00:43:29,780
chop, so it kind of looks like

1175
00:43:29,780 --> 00:43:31,150
a triangle in the driveway. Are

1176
00:43:31,150 --> 00:43:33,415
they, uh, enforced? And

1177
00:43:34,386 --> 00:43:36,786
enforceable. Um, they are

1178
00:43:39,357 --> 00:43:41,757
enforceable, yes. Thank you.

1179
00:43:42,994 --> 00:43:43,194
Was there another question? So

1180
00:43:43,194 --> 00:43:44,896
there

1181
00:43:44,896 --> 00:43:46,398
s a light here on I would

1182
00:43:46,398 --> 00:43:47,266
just feel a lot better if there

1183
00:43:47,266 --> 00:43:48,432
were delineators in the street,

1184
00:43:48,432 --> 00:43:49,801
and the pork chop. Cause it

1185
00:43:49,801 --> 00:43:50,835
s

1186
00:43:50,835 --> 00:43:52,203
Those exist throughout the city

1187
00:43:52,203 --> 00:43:53,371
and I see people taking lefts

1188
00:43:53,371 --> 00:43:53,538
into them all the time and they

1189
00:43:53,538 --> 00:43:54,772
don

1190
00:43:54,772 --> 00:43:55,730
t. I don

1191
00:43:55,730 --> 00:43:57,730
t think they

1192
00:43:58,110 --> 00:43:59,477
prevent It MAY even make it

1193
00:43:59,477 --> 00:43:59,811
dangerous in some, some points

1194
00:43:59,811 --> 00:44:00,178
when somebody

1195
00:44:00,178 --> 00:44:01,460
s trying to do

1196
00:44:01,460 --> 00:44:01,480
something they

1197
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,480
re not supposed

1198
00:44:03,815 --> 00:44:07,552
to, um. And, and, and I would

1199
00:44:07,552 --> 00:44:07,752
just say. Even delineators

1200
00:44:07,752 --> 00:44:08,720
aren

1201
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:10,955
t 100% sure fail safe. I

1202
00:44:10,955 --> 00:44:12,123
mean, we, we actually did a

1203
00:44:12,123 --> 00:44:12,958
site visit and with some

1204
00:44:12,958 --> 00:44:14,592
delineators and we saw a car

1205
00:44:14,592 --> 00:44:15,994
just do a u-turn right there in

1206
00:44:15,994 --> 00:44:16,160
the middle. So I mean whether

1207
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,762
it

1208
00:44:17,762 --> 00:44:19,798
s a pork chop or delineator,

1209
00:44:19,798 --> 00:44:20,732
you know, this is the best, um,

1210
00:44:20,732 --> 00:44:21,733
method that we have to be able

1211
00:44:21,733 --> 00:44:24,269
to control that left turn,

1212
00:44:24,269 --> 00:44:24,869
right turn. And I think the

1213
00:44:24,869 --> 00:44:25,370
issue I

1214
00:44:25,370 --> 00:44:26,337
m really must sticking

1215
00:44:26,337 --> 00:44:27,338
with me is there

1216
00:44:27,338 --> 00:44:27,872
s a giant

1217
00:44:27,872 --> 00:44:29,107
apartment complex that

1218
00:44:29,107 --> 00:44:30,108
s gonna

1219
00:44:30,108 --> 00:44:30,341
wrap around this property. And

1220
00:44:30,341 --> 00:44:30,708
we don

1221
00:44:30,708 --> 00:44:31,643
t know how that

1222
00:44:31,643 --> 00:44:32,511
s going

1223
00:44:32,511 --> 00:44:35,546
to impact traffic, and then if

1224
00:44:35,546 --> 00:44:37,649
you add a a multi-unit

1225
00:44:37,649 --> 00:44:38,850
commercial property there. Um,

1226
00:44:38,850 --> 00:44:39,251
with a business like Tropical

1227
00:44:39,251 --> 00:44:39,717
community, that

1228
00:44:39,717 --> 00:44:41,453
s gonna be

1229
00:44:41,453 --> 00:44:43,322
really busy. I, I just really

1230
00:44:43,322 --> 00:44:44,322
worry about the 10th Street

1231
00:44:44,322 --> 00:44:47,158
being able to handle that load

1232
00:44:47,158 --> 00:44:47,692
in that section. It is a blind

1233
00:44:47,692 --> 00:44:48,626
curve and there

1234
00:44:48,626 --> 00:44:50,626
s not much

1235
00:44:50,995 --> 00:44:51,530
infrastructure there at all to

1236
00:44:51,530 --> 00:44:53,530
prevent accidents from

1237
00:44:54,650 --> 00:44:56,340
happening, so, um, I worry

1238
00:44:56,340 --> 00:44:58,704
about that, um, up and down

1239
00:44:58,704 --> 00:44:59,871
10th Street, but that section

1240
00:44:59,871 --> 00:45:00,138
in particular between Lowe

1241
00:45:00,138 --> 00:45:01,372
s

1242
00:45:01,372 --> 00:45:01,640
and Walmart, there

1243
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:01,940
s the curve

1244
00:45:01,940 --> 00:45:03,341
there, it

1245
00:45:03,341 --> 00:45:03,475
s just And there

1246
00:45:03,475 --> 00:45:03,708
s a

1247
00:45:03,708 --> 00:45:04,175
doctor

1248
00:45:04,175 --> 00:45:04,643
s office going across

1249
00:45:04,643 --> 00:45:05,143
the street. There

1250
00:45:05,143 --> 00:45:06,244
s just a ton

1251
00:45:06,244 --> 00:45:08,346
of stuff going in there all at

1252
00:45:08,346 --> 00:45:09,748
the same time and and. I wish

1253
00:45:09,748 --> 00:45:13,185
we could slow roll this a

1254
00:45:13,185 --> 00:45:13,384
little bit to to. See how

1255
00:45:13,384 --> 00:45:15,384
that

1256
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,620
s gonna impact the, the uh,

1257
00:45:20,925 --> 00:45:21,693
traffic on the street, um. I

1258
00:45:21,693 --> 00:45:24,290
Any other questions for our

1259
00:45:24,290 --> 00:45:24,696
staff? If they meet the

1260
00:45:24,696 --> 00:45:25,296
requirements for the next

1261
00:45:25,296 --> 00:45:25,763
session, we can

1262
00:45:25,763 --> 00:45:27,763
t turn down,

1263
00:45:28,660 --> 00:45:31,803
can we, can we? Yeah, you can,

1264
00:45:31,803 --> 00:45:36,300
you can, you can do that. Ok.

1265
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:38,977
All right, any other questions?

1266
00:45:38,977 --> 00:45:40,512
All right. Public hearings now

1267
00:45:40,512 --> 00:45:41,179
open. Those be on behalf of the

1268
00:45:41,179 --> 00:45:41,947
applicant Ma forward. Please

1269
00:45:41,947 --> 00:45:43,648
state your name for the record.

1270
00:45:43,648 --> 00:45:46,648
The first person has 10 minutes.

1271
00:45:52,124 --> 00:45:55,124
All others have 3 minutes. Are

1272
00:46:02,601 --> 00:46:05,601
you speaking in favor? Just

1273
00:46:07,806 --> 00:46:09,807
just a guess. All right, see

1274
00:46:09,807 --> 00:46:10,742
none. Those in opposition to

1275
00:46:10,742 --> 00:46:11,776
the applicant MAY come forward.

1276
00:46:11,776 --> 00:46:13,111
Please state your name for the

1277
00:46:13,111 --> 00:46:14,278
record. First person has 10

1278
00:46:14,278 --> 00:46:16,581
minutes, all others have 3

1279
00:46:16,581 --> 00:46:19,581
minutes. You get a whole 10

1280
00:46:20,185 --> 00:46:20,718
minutes. Oh, I don

1281
00:46:20,718 --> 00:46:22,320
t need that

1282
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:23,589
long. Thanks for it. I, unless

1283
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:25,424
I really lose my train of

1284
00:46:25,424 --> 00:46:27,592
thought here, but Rebecca

1285
00:46:27,592 --> 00:46:29,928
Powers, am I supposed to give

1286
00:46:29,928 --> 00:46:32,397
my address because this is my

1287
00:46:32,397 --> 00:46:33,865
neighborhood and so I live and

1288
00:46:33,865 --> 00:46:36,168
breathe this area and I use Oak

1289
00:46:36,168 --> 00:46:37,569
Down, who was mentioning that

1290
00:46:37,569 --> 00:46:38,136
Oak Down all the time and the

1291
00:46:38,136 --> 00:46:38,937
light because I can

1292
00:46:38,937 --> 00:46:40,405
t get out

1293
00:46:40,405 --> 00:46:41,940
of my neighborhood otherwise.

1294
00:46:41,940 --> 00:46:42,474
And I think we

1295
00:46:42,474 --> 00:46:43,375
re gonna have

1296
00:46:43,375 --> 00:46:45,775
50,000 people move into those

1297
00:46:46,911 --> 00:46:47,813
apartments. 50. I don

1298
00:46:47,813 --> 00:46:49,813
t know

1299
00:46:50,449 --> 00:46:50,749
how many, but a whole lot if

1300
00:46:50,749 --> 00:46:52,500
you haven

1301
00:46:52,500 --> 00:46:52,150
t seen them, they

1302
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:54,150
re

1303
00:46:54,385 --> 00:46:55,453
just huge. And how those folks

1304
00:46:55,453 --> 00:46:57,355
are gonna get in and out of

1305
00:46:57,355 --> 00:46:58,323
their homes. I

1306
00:46:58,323 --> 00:46:59,223
m worried too,

1307
00:46:59,223 --> 00:47:00,492
Matt. I just, I don

1308
00:47:00,492 --> 00:47:00,592
t, I can

1309
00:47:00,592 --> 00:47:02,592
t

1310
00:47:03,595 --> 00:47:03,695
imagine it happening. But it

1311
00:47:03,695 --> 00:47:05,497
s

1312
00:47:05,497 --> 00:47:07,980
gonna happen, so back to what

1313
00:47:07,980 --> 00:47:08,400
was said about when it was

1314
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:09,768
zoned commercial and the

1315
00:47:09,768 --> 00:47:13,368
horizons plan, that was a long

1316
00:47:13,639 --> 00:47:15,640
time ago. And I read the packet

1317
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:16,709
in the agenda and tried to

1318
00:47:16,709 --> 00:47:18,343
understand what was going to

1319
00:47:18,343 --> 00:47:19,712
happen tonight. And I

1320
00:47:19,712 --> 00:47:20,712
m so glad

1321
00:47:20,712 --> 00:47:23,150
you asked about voting it yes

1322
00:47:23,150 --> 00:47:23,882
or no. I couldn

1323
00:47:23,882 --> 00:47:25,882
t understand

1324
00:47:27,186 --> 00:47:28,720
where we were in this process.

1325
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:29,688
And when the young man sitting

1326
00:47:29,688 --> 00:47:29,788
beside MISS Gooby, I didn

1327
00:47:29,788 --> 00:47:31,788
t

1328
00:47:33,580 --> 00:47:35,594
catch your name. I think he

1329
00:47:35,594 --> 00:47:39,794
said hm MR. Kelly. I think it

1330
00:47:40,298 --> 00:47:42,468
was him who said, What do you

1331
00:47:42,468 --> 00:47:42,768
what do you call the plat

1332
00:47:42,768 --> 00:47:44,670
zoning won

1333
00:47:44,670 --> 00:47:46,671
t come back to you.

1334
00:47:46,671 --> 00:47:46,771
So if you say yes tonight, it

1335
00:47:46,771 --> 00:47:48,172
s

1336
00:47:48,172 --> 00:47:48,340
a done deal. Oh, that

1337
00:47:48,340 --> 00:47:50,340
s not

1338
00:47:50,742 --> 00:47:51,243
right. Um, I

1339
00:47:51,243 --> 00:47:53,243
m also the

1340
00:47:53,411 --> 00:47:54,212
PRESIDENT Of my neighborhood

1341
00:47:54,212 --> 00:47:54,679
association, and we don

1342
00:47:54,679 --> 00:47:56,481
t know

1343
00:47:56,481 --> 00:47:56,648
anything about this, and I

1344
00:47:56,648 --> 00:47:58,416
don

1345
00:47:58,416 --> 00:47:59,840
t know that anybody in the

1346
00:47:59,840 --> 00:47:59,318
other neighborhoods do because

1347
00:47:59,318 --> 00:48:01,318
it hasn

1348
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:02,154
t come up. And then

1349
00:48:02,154 --> 00:48:03,955
I

1350
00:48:03,955 --> 00:48:05,560
ve also been thinking since i

1351
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,392
read in the agenda and on the

1352
00:48:07,392 --> 00:48:08,594
packet. I can

1353
00:48:08,594 --> 00:48:10,994
t think of one

1354
00:48:11,530 --> 00:48:13,465
other tropical smoothie.

1355
00:48:13,465 --> 00:48:13,565
Anywhere in our city that

1356
00:48:13,565 --> 00:48:14,933
s

1357
00:48:14,933 --> 00:48:17,933
just surrounded by all this

1358
00:48:18,102 --> 00:48:18,236
housing. Right up around it.

1359
00:48:18,236 --> 00:48:20,710
I

1360
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:21,400
m thinking of that one and

1361
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:21,606
maybe the mayor can think of

1362
00:48:21,606 --> 00:48:22,407
one, but I

1363
00:48:22,407 --> 00:48:24,343
m thinking of the

1364
00:48:24,343 --> 00:48:24,876
one out on Arlington and

1365
00:48:24,876 --> 00:48:25,343
Dickinson. It

1366
00:48:25,343 --> 00:48:25,911
s sitting there.

1367
00:48:25,911 --> 00:48:27,279
Yeah, there

1368
00:48:27,279 --> 00:48:27,379
s housing, but it

1369
00:48:27,379 --> 00:48:28,980
s

1370
00:48:28,980 --> 00:48:30,982
way over there and they have

1371
00:48:30,982 --> 00:48:33,180
their own light. Oh, and they

1372
00:48:33,180 --> 00:48:34,986
went out of business or

1373
00:48:34,986 --> 00:48:36,986
something. Oh They

1374
00:48:36,989 --> 00:48:37,555
re by a

1375
00:48:37,555 --> 00:48:38,824
hotel now because it

1376
00:48:38,824 --> 00:48:40,824
s not good

1377
00:48:41,426 --> 00:48:42,827
to be interested because So I

1378
00:48:42,827 --> 00:48:44,629
have a lot of issues right

1379
00:48:44,629 --> 00:48:48,833
there and I hope what we can do

1380
00:48:48,833 --> 00:48:51,833
tonight is Got 7 more minutes,

1381
00:48:57,476 --> 00:48:57,643
but, uh. I should say I

1382
00:48:57,643 --> 00:48:59,643
ve got

1383
00:49:02,447 --> 00:49:04,820
the floor right? So, um, No, I

1384
00:49:04,820 --> 00:49:04,182
do want to know, and I don

1385
00:49:04,182 --> 00:49:05,918
t

1386
00:49:05,918 --> 00:49:06,751
think that we were told by the

1387
00:49:06,751 --> 00:49:08,387
planners if it

1388
00:49:08,387 --> 00:49:08,953
s currently etj.

1389
00:49:08,953 --> 00:49:09,788
Because it

1390
00:49:09,788 --> 00:49:11,788
s sitting right

1391
00:49:12,524 --> 00:49:13,825
there in other parts of the. Of

1392
00:49:13,825 --> 00:49:18,250
the city and I think you said

1393
00:49:18,130 --> 00:49:18,530
they want to. No, no, Just

1394
00:49:18,530 --> 00:49:20,530
sitting here I

1395
00:49:20,598 --> 00:49:22,998
m sorry. I can

1396
00:49:23,969 --> 00:49:26,938
help. Oh Oh Well, about the

1397
00:49:26,938 --> 00:49:28,139
sewer, um, tying into our water

1398
00:49:28,139 --> 00:49:31,739
and sewer. So somehow that has

1399
00:49:33,378 --> 00:49:33,946
to do with being The next, um,

1400
00:49:33,946 --> 00:49:34,613
I just can

1401
00:49:34,613 --> 00:49:34,813
t, I understand if

1402
00:49:34,813 --> 00:49:36,314
there

1403
00:49:36,314 --> 00:49:37,650
s, you know, we already

1404
00:49:37,650 --> 00:49:39,118
have a dentist there, that big

1405
00:49:39,118 --> 00:49:41,219
dentist, you know, that

1406
00:49:41,219 --> 00:49:42,154
beautiful dentist, eastern

1407
00:49:42,154 --> 00:49:42,721
dentistry, and you know, that

1408
00:49:42,721 --> 00:49:43,956
fits in. There

1409
00:49:43,956 --> 00:49:46,424
s not a lot of

1410
00:49:46,424 --> 00:49:46,692
terrible traffic, but someplace

1411
00:49:46,692 --> 00:49:47,393
else that

1412
00:49:47,393 --> 00:49:47,592
s more commercial,

1413
00:49:47,592 --> 00:49:48,960
that

1414
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,329
s not an office kind of

1415
00:49:50,329 --> 00:49:52,898
place where people are just

1416
00:49:52,898 --> 00:49:56,498
there a limited time. Um Please

1417
00:49:59,405 --> 00:50:00,672
say no to the annex. Thank you.

1418
00:50:00,672 --> 00:50:02,408
Unless I can respond to

1419
00:50:02,408 --> 00:50:02,874
something you asked me. Ok, I

1420
00:50:02,874 --> 00:50:03,842
would think it

1421
00:50:03,842 --> 00:50:04,810
s in the etj

1422
00:50:04,810 --> 00:50:04,977
though. Did, did you ask if

1423
00:50:04,977 --> 00:50:06,311
it

1424
00:50:06,311 --> 00:50:07,779
s in the atj? Were you going

1425
00:50:07,779 --> 00:50:08,314
to respond to that? If you have

1426
00:50:08,314 --> 00:50:09,614
zone and you

1427
00:50:09,614 --> 00:50:11,317
re in the city

1428
00:50:11,317 --> 00:50:13,986
limits for the etj. That is

1429
00:50:13,986 --> 00:50:15,454
your only option. So this is in

1430
00:50:15,454 --> 00:50:16,589
the etj. Ok, because they are,

1431
00:50:16,589 --> 00:50:17,856
ok, so can

1432
00:50:17,856 --> 00:50:18,123
t they use the water,

1433
00:50:18,123 --> 00:50:19,910
and that

1434
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:21,491
s really what they

1435
00:50:22,895 --> 00:50:23,128
want, but. I guess can

1436
00:50:23,128 --> 00:50:24,663
t we not

1437
00:50:24,663 --> 00:50:24,830
without any exception. And we

1438
00:50:24,830 --> 00:50:26,598
don

1439
00:50:26,598 --> 00:50:27,599
t have any ruling over etj

1440
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:29,434
because that

1441
00:50:29,434 --> 00:50:30,468
s a county

1442
00:50:30,468 --> 00:50:32,271
commissioners or we do that too?

1443
00:50:32,271 --> 00:50:34,573
Um-hum. Just sitting. Ok. What

1444
00:50:34,573 --> 00:50:35,641
they want is to tie into our

1445
00:50:35,641 --> 00:50:36,375
sewer system, um, and that, and

1446
00:50:36,375 --> 00:50:38,343
the only way they can do that

1447
00:50:38,343 --> 00:50:42,543
is to be annexed. Is to be

1448
00:50:44,583 --> 00:50:46,418
annexed. Hm. And to be annexed

1449
00:50:46,418 --> 00:50:47,486
with already a plat in place, a

1450
00:50:47,486 --> 00:50:50,322
done deal. 5 minutes I give

1451
00:50:50,322 --> 00:50:52,257
back to you. I, I concede or I

1452
00:50:52,257 --> 00:50:53,959
give back to you my 5 minutes.

1453
00:50:53,959 --> 00:50:55,427
Thank you. Thanks, Doctor

1454
00:50:55,427 --> 00:50:56,128
Powers. We appreciate that.

1455
00:50:56,128 --> 00:50:56,361
Anyone else that

1456
00:50:56,361 --> 00:50:57,629
s in

1457
00:50:57,629 --> 00:50:58,630
opposition to the applicant MAY

1458
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:59,865
come forward. Please state your

1459
00:50:59,865 --> 00:51:01,733
name for the record.

1460
00:51:01,733 --> 00:51:03,302
Fortunately, you only have 3

1461
00:51:03,302 --> 00:51:04,636
minutes. It

1462
00:51:04,636 --> 00:51:05,737
s not a problem. My

1463
00:51:05,737 --> 00:51:05,838
name is Mark Parker, and I

1464
00:51:05,838 --> 00:51:07,572
m

1465
00:51:07,572 --> 00:51:08,974
very familiar with that area.

1466
00:51:08,974 --> 00:51:10,609
My boys live over there and

1467
00:51:10,609 --> 00:51:12,770
when I was teaching them how to

1468
00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:13,846
drive, I used to have to tell

1469
00:51:13,846 --> 00:51:15,380
them when traffic is traffic is

1470
00:51:15,380 --> 00:51:16,114
always busy in the morning and

1471
00:51:16,114 --> 00:51:17,749
the afternoons. I used to tell

1472
00:51:17,749 --> 00:51:20,186
them like, if you need to make

1473
00:51:20,186 --> 00:51:21,186
a left, actually make a right,

1474
00:51:21,186 --> 00:51:22,721
go to Lowe

1475
00:51:22,721 --> 00:51:24,156
s and then make a,

1476
00:51:24,156 --> 00:51:26,192
make a little Ui in the parking

1477
00:51:26,192 --> 00:51:27,559
lot and then go back to your

1478
00:51:27,559 --> 00:51:29,261
direction because I mean people

1479
00:51:29,261 --> 00:51:30,362
are speeding back and forth and

1480
00:51:30,362 --> 00:51:30,929
a lot of time with the traffic.

1481
00:51:30,929 --> 00:51:31,397
Surveys you

1482
00:51:31,397 --> 00:51:31,563
re not looking at,

1483
00:51:31,563 --> 00:51:32,398
you

1484
00:51:32,398 --> 00:51:35,398
re not talking to the

1485
00:51:35,535 --> 00:51:38,504
people who live in the areas.

1486
00:51:38,504 --> 00:51:41,407
Who see it 24/7 morning, noon,

1487
00:51:41,407 --> 00:51:42,700
dusk, dawn, weekends, weekdays,

1488
00:51:42,700 --> 00:51:42,975
rush hour, and that

1489
00:51:42,975 --> 00:51:44,760
s gonna be

1490
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:44,309
a lot with all those apartments,

1491
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:45,343
and we

1492
00:51:45,343 --> 00:51:46,278
re talking about

1493
00:51:46,278 --> 00:51:47,746
commercial buildings, people go

1494
00:51:47,746 --> 00:51:49,615
on the tropical smoothie. It is

1495
00:51:49,615 --> 00:51:51,717
a popular place. I use it a lot

1496
00:51:51,717 --> 00:51:52,150
myself. I love it, but That

1497
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:54,150
s

1498
00:51:54,587 --> 00:51:55,654
gonna be a lot of disturbance,

1499
00:51:55,654 --> 00:51:56,722
um, and just disruption to the

1500
00:51:56,722 --> 00:51:57,389
people who live in River Hills

1501
00:51:57,389 --> 00:51:59,789
and the surrounding communities.

1502
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,894
And We already got a report

1503
00:52:02,894 --> 00:52:04,263
today in the news that we are

1504
00:52:04,263 --> 00:52:05,897
like what? In top in the

1505
00:52:05,897 --> 00:52:06,532
country or bad drivers in North

1506
00:52:06,532 --> 00:52:07,900
Carolina, Greenwood, North

1507
00:52:07,900 --> 00:52:08,867
Carolina. It

1508
00:52:08,867 --> 00:52:09,468
s only gonna be a

1509
00:52:09,468 --> 00:52:09,902
bunch more accidents. It

1510
00:52:09,902 --> 00:52:11,169
s only

1511
00:52:11,169 --> 00:52:11,737
gonna be worse. I work in

1512
00:52:11,737 --> 00:52:12,637
healthcare. I

1513
00:52:12,637 --> 00:52:14,637
ve x-rayed plenty

1514
00:52:14,774 --> 00:52:14,906
of people on the back porch.

1515
00:52:14,906 --> 00:52:15,640
I

1516
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,640
ve seen people from, from

1517
00:52:19,377 --> 00:52:19,945
birth. Accidents to the morgue.

1518
00:52:19,945 --> 00:52:20,379
So I

1519
00:52:20,379 --> 00:52:23,379
ve seen all the whole

1520
00:52:24,216 --> 00:52:24,383
spectrum. So I would say no. I

1521
00:52:24,383 --> 00:52:24,950
don

1522
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:28,454
t think we should go with

1523
00:52:28,454 --> 00:52:29,888
it. Thank you. Thank you.

1524
00:52:29,888 --> 00:52:30,989
Anyone else like to speak in

1525
00:52:30,989 --> 00:52:31,857
opposition to the aa. MAY come

1526
00:52:31,857 --> 00:52:32,524
forward. Please state your name

1527
00:52:32,524 --> 00:52:35,524
for the record. You have 3

1528
00:52:37,163 --> 00:52:39,564
minutes. Hi, um, my name is

1529
00:52:39,564 --> 00:52:42,500
Pedro, um, and I would also say

1530
00:52:42,500 --> 00:52:43,536
no, um, like the other two

1531
00:52:43,536 --> 00:52:43,869
speakers before me, I

1532
00:52:43,869 --> 00:52:45,869
m also

1533
00:52:45,904 --> 00:52:48,808
very familiar with that area,

1534
00:52:48,808 --> 00:52:50,276
um, my, um, my aunt lives in

1535
00:52:50,276 --> 00:52:52,178
Grisland, so when I was going

1536
00:52:52,178 --> 00:52:54,460
to ecu I would actually have to

1537
00:52:54,460 --> 00:52:55,681
drive up that road every single

1538
00:52:55,681 --> 00:52:57,549
day, um, and like the gentleman

1539
00:52:57,549 --> 00:52:59,952
before me said, it gets very

1540
00:52:59,952 --> 00:53:02,320
busy, um, during the mornings

1541
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,220
and, you know, the afternoon,

1542
00:53:04,220 --> 00:53:04,557
um, the rush hour traffic and

1543
00:53:04,557 --> 00:53:04,857
um I just, I don

1544
00:53:04,857 --> 00:53:06,759
t think they

1545
00:53:06,759 --> 00:53:06,959
have. A good idea of what

1546
00:53:06,959 --> 00:53:07,426
they

1547
00:53:07,426 --> 00:53:10,426
re gonna do with the

1548
00:53:12,398 --> 00:53:12,765
traffic. Um, and like, um, like,

1549
00:53:12,765 --> 00:53:13,533
um, I think it

1550
00:53:13,533 --> 00:53:15,301
s uh MR. Scully.

1551
00:53:15,301 --> 00:53:16,368
Yes, sir, thank you um, you

1552
00:53:16,368 --> 00:53:16,902
know, I think he

1553
00:53:16,902 --> 00:53:17,102
s, he

1554
00:53:17,102 --> 00:53:18,870
s very

1555
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:19,938
right, you know, he would like

1556
00:53:19,938 --> 00:53:20,139
to know better what they

1557
00:53:20,139 --> 00:53:20,606
re

1558
00:53:20,606 --> 00:53:21,607
gonna do if there

1559
00:53:21,607 --> 00:53:22,641
s gonna be a

1560
00:53:22,641 --> 00:53:22,842
meeting or whatever. I think

1561
00:53:22,842 --> 00:53:23,142
that

1562
00:53:23,142 --> 00:53:25,440
s, that

1563
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:26,845
s very important

1564
00:53:26,845 --> 00:53:28,814
to know before approving an

1565
00:53:28,814 --> 00:53:31,317
annexation, um. Which I also

1566
00:53:31,317 --> 00:53:32,351
took a little bit of issue with

1567
00:53:32,351 --> 00:53:33,218
um uh the planners. I

1568
00:53:33,218 --> 00:53:34,787
m not

1569
00:53:34,787 --> 00:53:36,656
sure the proper term for them,

1570
00:53:36,656 --> 00:53:36,822
but them saying that you guys

1571
00:53:36,822 --> 00:53:37,656
don

1572
00:53:37,656 --> 00:53:38,591
t get the plans. You

1573
00:53:38,591 --> 00:53:39,525
basically don

1574
00:53:39,525 --> 00:53:40,793
t have a sale

1575
00:53:40,793 --> 00:53:42,270
until, you know, you basically

1576
00:53:42,270 --> 00:53:42,528
just say yes or no, and then

1577
00:53:42,528 --> 00:53:44,290
after that it

1578
00:53:44,290 --> 00:53:45,970
s just whatever

1579
00:53:45,970 --> 00:53:45,298
they wanna do or whatever

1580
00:53:45,298 --> 00:53:46,799
they

1581
00:53:46,799 --> 00:53:48,700
re gonna do, you know, I,

1582
00:53:48,700 --> 00:53:49,769
I think maybe we should know

1583
00:53:49,769 --> 00:53:50,469
better what

1584
00:53:50,469 --> 00:53:51,304
s gonna happen

1585
00:53:51,304 --> 00:53:51,503
before saying, yes, that

1586
00:53:51,503 --> 00:53:52,137
s fine,

1587
00:53:52,137 --> 00:53:54,137
or no, it

1588
00:53:54,173 --> 00:53:56,775
s not fine. And um,

1589
00:53:56,775 --> 00:53:57,409
like the, the lady said, um, in

1590
00:53:57,409 --> 00:53:57,643
the beginning, there

1591
00:53:57,643 --> 00:53:58,944
s a big,

1592
00:53:58,944 --> 00:53:59,945
big. Apartment complex. It

1593
00:53:59,945 --> 00:54:01,413
actually looks pretty nice. I

1594
00:54:01,413 --> 00:54:03,682
was thinking maybe I might move

1595
00:54:03,682 --> 00:54:04,216
there, but if they put um a

1596
00:54:04,216 --> 00:54:04,416
traffic like I didn

1597
00:54:04,416 --> 00:54:06,185
t know

1598
00:54:06,185 --> 00:54:06,785
there was gonna be like a

1599
00:54:06,785 --> 00:54:07,190
commercial center, maybe I

1600
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:08,153
wouldn

1601
00:54:08,153 --> 00:54:09,188
t want to live next to a

1602
00:54:09,188 --> 00:54:11,423
commercial center, you know,

1603
00:54:11,423 --> 00:54:12,558
maybe I just want to drive into

1604
00:54:12,558 --> 00:54:14,260
my apartment complex, not have

1605
00:54:14,260 --> 00:54:14,926
to drive by a bunch of

1606
00:54:14,926 --> 00:54:15,928
businesses, even though it is

1607
00:54:15,928 --> 00:54:16,362
by the lows, but that

1608
00:54:16,362 --> 00:54:16,461
s, that

1609
00:54:16,461 --> 00:54:17,363
s

1610
00:54:17,363 --> 00:54:17,863
not that bad. Lowe

1611
00:54:17,863 --> 00:54:19,863
s is pretty

1612
00:54:19,898 --> 00:54:21,266
good for, for deals and stuff.

1613
00:54:21,266 --> 00:54:22,134
But um, yeah, that

1614
00:54:22,134 --> 00:54:23,736
s all, um, I

1615
00:54:23,736 --> 00:54:26,500
just, I think maybe more

1616
00:54:26,500 --> 00:54:27,473
information is needed for the

1617
00:54:27,473 --> 00:54:29,308
traffic, especially because

1618
00:54:29,308 --> 00:54:31,777
that turn on the where the

1619
00:54:31,777 --> 00:54:32,745
graveyards are, it is very like,

1620
00:54:32,745 --> 00:54:33,779
um, like MR. Scully said, it

1621
00:54:33,779 --> 00:54:35,779
was, it

1622
00:54:36,281 --> 00:54:37,716
s a blind turn and like

1623
00:54:37,716 --> 00:54:38,850
the gentleman before me said,

1624
00:54:38,850 --> 00:54:40,685
turning left there is not gonna

1625
00:54:40,685 --> 00:54:42,254
happen, but when you add a

1626
00:54:42,254 --> 00:54:44,489
bunch of people, um, that live

1627
00:54:44,489 --> 00:54:44,690
there, they get comfortable and

1628
00:54:44,690 --> 00:54:46,910
they

1629
00:54:46,910 --> 00:54:47,559
re gonna turn left and

1630
00:54:47,559 --> 00:54:48,528
that might cause more accidents

1631
00:54:48,528 --> 00:54:49,361
in that area, but that

1632
00:54:49,361 --> 00:54:51,330
s all I

1633
00:54:51,330 --> 00:54:52,798
have. Thank you. Thank you.

1634
00:54:52,798 --> 00:54:55,334
Sweetheart, what was your name

1635
00:54:55,334 --> 00:54:55,635
again? Pedro. What

1636
00:54:55,635 --> 00:54:57,635
s your last

1637
00:54:58,804 --> 00:55:02,740
name? For now. Thank you. Thank

1638
00:55:02,740 --> 00:55:02,241
you. All right, anyone else

1639
00:55:02,241 --> 00:55:03,742
who

1640
00:55:03,742 --> 00:55:05,311
d like to speak in

1641
00:55:05,311 --> 00:55:06,245
opposition to the applicant,

1642
00:55:06,245 --> 00:55:08,715
please come forward and state

1643
00:55:08,715 --> 00:55:10,950
your name for the record. You

1644
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:13,350
have 3 wonderful nuts. Again.

1645
00:55:13,352 --> 00:55:14,920
When I look at that, I see a

1646
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:16,856
lot of trees. You

1647
00:55:16,856 --> 00:55:18,724
re lucky we

1648
00:55:18,724 --> 00:55:19,125
know and if we, if we don

1649
00:55:19,125 --> 00:55:21,125
t

1650
00:55:21,761 --> 00:55:24,761
protect those trees at 34% is

1651
00:55:25,300 --> 00:55:25,131
going to go down. And I don

1652
00:55:25,131 --> 00:55:26,532
t

1653
00:55:26,532 --> 00:55:26,632
know right now since we don

1654
00:55:26,632 --> 00:55:28,632
t

1655
00:55:30,269 --> 00:55:33,606
have a, a tree survey in

1656
00:55:33,606 --> 00:55:35,740
Greenville. We need to have an

1657
00:55:35,740 --> 00:55:38,674
urban forester who can look at

1658
00:55:40,312 --> 00:55:42,315
our cities. Canopy and see if

1659
00:55:42,315 --> 00:55:44,817
we have heritage trees because

1660
00:55:44,817 --> 00:55:46,185
on this property there MAY be

1661
00:55:46,185 --> 00:55:47,319
heritage trees and, and I

1662
00:55:47,319 --> 00:55:50,590
looked it up to tell you

1663
00:55:50,590 --> 00:55:52,240
exactly, and that is a tree

1664
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:54,424
designated as significant due

1665
00:55:54,894 --> 00:55:57,960
to its historical, cultural,

1666
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,899
ecological, or its age, size,

1667
00:55:59,899 --> 00:56:01,400
or unique qualities. And we

1668
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,735
have not identified any of that

1669
00:56:03,735 --> 00:56:04,670
in Greenville, so we lose our

1670
00:56:04,670 --> 00:56:06,706
heritage trees. What are we

1671
00:56:06,706 --> 00:56:09,441
going to lose on that property.

1672
00:56:09,441 --> 00:56:11,844
What can be done to save them.

1673
00:56:11,844 --> 00:56:12,770
Somebody suggested a land trust.

1674
00:56:12,770 --> 00:56:12,845
I don

1675
00:56:12,845 --> 00:56:16,445
t know if that would work.

1676
00:56:16,615 --> 00:56:19,180
I have no idea, but I just know

1677
00:56:19,180 --> 00:56:20,786
that if we just let this go the

1678
00:56:20,786 --> 00:56:22,655
way of all the other

1679
00:56:22,655 --> 00:56:25,900
development, we are going to

1680
00:56:25,900 --> 00:56:27,126
lose more trees. And that

1681
00:56:27,126 --> 00:56:29,261
really bothers me because that

1682
00:56:29,261 --> 00:56:32,861
affects all of us. It affects

1683
00:56:33,466 --> 00:56:35,334
our health. And in fact, I was

1684
00:56:35,334 --> 00:56:38,334
reading an article today about

1685
00:56:38,771 --> 00:56:39,973
how in Kentucky they actually

1686
00:56:39,973 --> 00:56:43,542
are planting trees to help with

1687
00:56:43,542 --> 00:56:45,244
asthma. So this is very, you

1688
00:56:45,244 --> 00:56:47,146
know, I. It

1689
00:56:47,146 --> 00:56:49,146
s important Thank

1690
00:56:49,215 --> 00:56:51,417
you. Thanks, MS. Maxwell. Thank

1691
00:56:51,417 --> 00:56:52,852
you. Anyone else that likes to

1692
00:56:52,852 --> 00:56:53,919
speak in opposition to the

1693
00:56:53,919 --> 00:56:56,220
applicant, please come forward,

1694
00:56:56,220 --> 00:56:59,622
state your name for the record.

1695
00:56:59,892 --> 00:57:02,292
You have 3 minutes. Hello,

1696
00:57:02,962 --> 00:57:03,462
Yoshi Newman. There are 2 votes

1697
00:57:03,462 --> 00:57:05,462
that you

1698
00:57:06,532 --> 00:57:06,965
re gonna take tonight.

1699
00:57:06,965 --> 00:57:08,100
For which it

1700
00:57:08,100 --> 00:57:09,335
s imperative that

1701
00:57:09,335 --> 00:57:13,772
you vote no, and this is one of

1702
00:57:13,772 --> 00:57:16,308
them. When I moved to

1703
00:57:16,308 --> 00:57:17,776
Greenville 11.5 years ago. Uh,

1704
00:57:17,776 --> 00:57:17,943
I live right there by Lowe

1705
00:57:17,943 --> 00:57:18,711
s in

1706
00:57:18,711 --> 00:57:20,813
that neighborhood tucked back

1707
00:57:20,813 --> 00:57:22,181
in there. So I was leaving the

1708
00:57:22,181 --> 00:57:24,581
neighborhood and headed toward

1709
00:57:25,618 --> 00:57:28,200
campus, and it was dark.

1710
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:28,221
Terminal is right there and so

1711
00:57:28,221 --> 00:57:28,921
there

1712
00:57:28,921 --> 00:57:31,921
s the boat landing access

1713
00:57:33,626 --> 00:57:37,290
that way. There was a truck.

1714
00:57:37,290 --> 00:57:39,332
With a big boat and a trailer

1715
00:57:39,332 --> 00:57:42,332
that came barreling down that

1716
00:57:44,570 --> 00:57:46,739
road and totaled. My beautiful

1717
00:57:46,739 --> 00:57:49,739
little bmw z3 Roadster. Totaled

1718
00:57:50,209 --> 00:57:51,310
it. Fortunately, I got out and

1719
00:57:51,310 --> 00:57:53,646
walked away. I actually was

1720
00:57:53,646 --> 00:57:57,516
able to put the bumper in my

1721
00:57:57,516 --> 00:58:00,753
truck and go back to my house.

1722
00:58:00,753 --> 00:58:01,154
That was over 10 years ago. The

1723
00:58:01,154 --> 00:58:02,989
complex that

1724
00:58:02,989 --> 00:58:04,290
s there, uh, that

1725
00:58:04,290 --> 00:58:06,690
is currently under construction,

1726
00:58:07,930 --> 00:58:10,693
evolve at the Pines. There are

1727
00:58:11,263 --> 00:58:12,765
no pines there. Evolve at the

1728
00:58:12,765 --> 00:58:14,733
pines hundreds of units,

1729
00:58:14,733 --> 00:58:16,202
hundreds of cars. I will also

1730
00:58:16,202 --> 00:58:17,703
remind you that at the

1731
00:58:17,703 --> 00:58:19,839
intersection of Port Terminal

1732
00:58:19,839 --> 00:58:24,900
and 10th, a couple of years ago

1733
00:58:24,900 --> 00:58:26,512
or so. A housing development

1734
00:58:26,512 --> 00:58:27,914
was approved there despite

1735
00:58:27,914 --> 00:58:28,914
objections from residences in

1736
00:58:28,914 --> 00:58:30,250
the area. It

1737
00:58:30,250 --> 00:58:32,650
s near a flood

1738
00:58:33,253 --> 00:58:35,654
plain, Fort Port Terminal has

1739
00:58:35,654 --> 00:58:36,689
been flooded repeatedly. There

1740
00:58:36,689 --> 00:58:38,491
was a helicopter evacuation of

1741
00:58:38,491 --> 00:58:41,491
people who lived on Port

1742
00:58:41,494 --> 00:58:43,363
Terminal Road. Still, Hundreds

1743
00:58:43,363 --> 00:58:45,664
of housing units sitting right

1744
00:58:45,664 --> 00:58:48,201
there on uh port terminal in

1745
00:58:48,201 --> 00:58:49,302
10th, no stoplight. That evolve

1746
00:58:49,302 --> 00:58:49,402
at the Pines for which there

1747
00:58:49,402 --> 00:58:51,402
s

1748
00:58:53,239 --> 00:58:53,406
no pines. No stoplight. So

1749
00:58:53,406 --> 00:58:55,107
we

1750
00:58:55,107 --> 00:58:57,510
ve got hundreds of cars and

1751
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:59,120
as MR. Walker explained, the

1752
00:58:59,120 --> 00:58:59,178
traffic studies, while those

1753
00:58:59,178 --> 00:59:01,178
don

1754
00:59:01,981 --> 00:59:04,783
t seem to have any impact

1755
00:59:04,783 --> 00:59:06,385
on decisions, they do have an

1756
00:59:06,385 --> 00:59:07,220
impact on drivers

1757
00:59:07,220 --> 00:59:09,220
real lived

1758
00:59:09,255 --> 00:59:10,189
experience. My poor total

1759
00:59:10,189 --> 00:59:10,723
little car. Now, you know, I

1760
00:59:10,723 --> 00:59:11,257
mean, I don

1761
00:59:11,257 --> 00:59:13,580
t mean to make

1762
00:59:13,580 --> 00:59:15,195
light of that, but it is a

1763
00:59:15,195 --> 00:59:17,530
dangerous, dangerous road. It

1764
00:59:17,530 --> 00:59:18,865
is not supposed to be another.

1765
00:59:18,865 --> 00:59:21,265
Greenville Boulevard, which is

1766
00:59:22,669 --> 00:59:26,205
not a boulevard. So the the the

1767
00:59:26,205 --> 00:59:28,474
section of East 10th. From, uh,

1768
00:59:28,474 --> 00:59:30,874
Greenville, not Boulevard, up

1769
00:59:31,944 --> 00:59:34,346
to Brook Valley or, uh, Copper

1770
00:59:34,346 --> 00:59:35,715
Creek is solid businesses with

1771
00:59:35,715 --> 00:59:36,883
cars coming in multiple

1772
00:59:36,883 --> 00:59:37,917
directions, and pedestrians

1773
00:59:37,917 --> 00:59:38,180
going back and forth. It

1774
00:59:38,180 --> 00:59:40,180
s

1775
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,489
awful. This is not what we

1776
00:59:42,489 --> 00:59:44,824
should have happening in our

1777
00:59:44,824 --> 00:59:47,426
city, so no, no commercial

1778
00:59:47,426 --> 00:59:49,729
development in that area. Keep

1779
00:59:49,729 --> 00:59:51,664
it safe and we also have two

1780
00:59:51,664 --> 00:59:53,132
cemeteries right there. So we

1781
00:59:53,132 --> 00:59:55,902
have funeral processions on a

1782
00:59:55,902 --> 00:59:56,502
regular basis. You know,

1783
00:59:56,502 --> 00:59:57,203
drivers get impatient. They

1784
00:59:57,203 --> 00:59:58,337
re

1785
00:59:58,337 --> 01:00:00,239
on their way somewhere. People

1786
01:00:00,239 --> 01:00:02,642
are going to be zooming around

1787
01:00:02,642 --> 01:00:04,544
to get around a funeral

1788
01:00:04,544 --> 01:00:06,979
procession. So this is one of

1789
01:00:06,979 --> 01:00:07,147
the 2 votes tonight for which

1790
01:00:07,147 --> 01:00:08,800
it

1791
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:08,948
s very important that you

1792
01:00:08,948 --> 01:00:09,882
vote no. There

1793
01:00:09,882 --> 01:00:12,282
s no good reason

1794
01:00:12,285 --> 01:00:14,220
in my mind to vote yes. Thank

1795
01:00:14,220 --> 01:00:15,154
you. Thank you. Thank you.

1796
01:00:15,154 --> 01:00:16,890
Anyone else like to speak in

1797
01:00:16,890 --> 01:00:16,789
opposition to the Africa MAY

1798
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:17,590
come forward. Please state your

1799
01:00:17,590 --> 01:00:21,190
name for the record. You have 3

1800
01:00:25,365 --> 01:00:26,599
minutes. Good evening, Mr.

1801
01:00:26,599 --> 01:00:29,599
Mayor, counsel. My name is

1802
01:00:29,769 --> 01:00:30,300
Brian Fagundas. So the things

1803
01:00:30,300 --> 01:00:30,803
that I

1804
01:00:30,803 --> 01:00:31,270
m opposed to echo a lot

1805
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:32,304
of what

1806
01:00:32,304 --> 01:00:33,172
s been said. I

1807
01:00:33,172 --> 01:00:34,173
m

1808
01:00:34,173 --> 01:00:36,573
opposed to unsafe traffic,

1809
01:00:37,377 --> 01:00:37,811
opposed to Getting rid of

1810
01:00:37,811 --> 01:00:39,279
things and and I

1811
01:00:39,279 --> 01:00:40,279
ll call it not

1812
01:00:40,279 --> 01:00:41,948
smart development, but I do

1813
01:00:41,948 --> 01:00:43,716
want to remind you guys, the

1814
01:00:43,716 --> 01:00:45,685
city regulates subdivision. The

1815
01:00:45,685 --> 01:00:46,820
city has a requirement for

1816
01:00:46,820 --> 01:00:48,754
annexation to provide utility

1817
01:00:48,754 --> 01:00:49,789
services from Bro Utilities. I

1818
01:00:49,789 --> 01:00:53,389
just want to remind you guys

1819
01:00:53,860 --> 01:00:56,960
that. The annexation is the

1820
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:56,329
next step for this site. The

1821
01:00:56,329 --> 01:00:57,931
zoning

1822
01:00:57,931 --> 01:00:58,965
s been in place, the

1823
01:00:58,965 --> 01:01:02,502
uses in that district would be

1824
01:01:02,502 --> 01:01:03,670
by right. If uses require a

1825
01:01:03,670 --> 01:01:04,503
board of adjustment approval or

1826
01:01:04,503 --> 01:01:04,671
specific uses, then they

1827
01:01:04,671 --> 01:01:06,671
ll go

1828
01:01:07,907 --> 01:01:10,176
for special use. Just wanted to

1829
01:01:10,176 --> 01:01:13,776
remind you guys of uh. Thank

1830
01:01:13,813 --> 01:01:13,980
you. Alright, anybody else

1831
01:01:13,980 --> 01:01:15,615
who

1832
01:01:15,615 --> 01:01:16,316
d like to speak? In

1833
01:01:16,316 --> 01:01:17,160
opposition to the African

1834
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:17,717
American, please state your

1835
01:01:17,717 --> 01:01:21,317
name for the record. You have 3

1836
01:01:29,796 --> 01:01:30,629
minutes. See none public

1837
01:01:30,629 --> 01:01:32,932
hearing is now closed, open for

1838
01:01:32,932 --> 01:01:33,632
a board discussion or a motion.

1839
01:01:33,632 --> 01:01:35,901
Council member Blackburn, thank

1840
01:01:35,901 --> 01:01:37,704
you so much and thank you to

1841
01:01:37,704 --> 01:01:39,338
everyone who came tonight to

1842
01:01:39,338 --> 01:01:39,839
speak and so many good points

1843
01:01:39,839 --> 01:01:40,607
have been raised. I

1844
01:01:40,607 --> 01:01:42,607
m gonna do

1845
01:01:43,843 --> 01:01:44,844
my best to summarize them. Um,

1846
01:01:44,844 --> 01:01:46,450
we said never again will we

1847
01:01:46,450 --> 01:01:48,445
have a Greenville Boulevard.

1848
01:01:49,820 --> 01:01:50,483
Well, too late. Years of

1849
01:01:50,483 --> 01:01:52,418
indiscriminate commercial

1850
01:01:52,418 --> 01:01:53,653
zoning, but also population

1851
01:01:53,653 --> 01:01:56,589
growth have resulted in what we

1852
01:01:56,589 --> 01:02:00,189
have on 10th Street East. This

1853
01:02:01,127 --> 01:02:02,161
request would bring a 4.6 acre.

1854
01:02:02,161 --> 01:02:03,195
Commercial center anchored by

1855
01:02:03,195 --> 01:02:03,329
the Tropical smoothie. While

1856
01:02:03,329 --> 01:02:05,329
I

1857
01:02:05,464 --> 01:02:07,467
d love to have a smoothie

1858
01:02:07,467 --> 01:02:08,835
shop across the street to

1859
01:02:08,835 --> 01:02:09,469
approve this annexation without

1860
01:02:09,469 --> 01:02:11,869
safety improvements would be

1861
01:02:13,390 --> 01:02:14,600
reckless. The same issues we

1862
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:15,842
faced beforehand on Port

1863
01:02:15,842 --> 01:02:17,877
Terminal Road with that

1864
01:02:17,877 --> 01:02:19,779
commercial request. Um, are, uh,

1865
01:02:19,779 --> 01:02:21,514
the, the same issues that we

1866
01:02:21,514 --> 01:02:23,683
faced then are now, uh, uh, we,

1867
01:02:23,683 --> 01:02:23,783
we face them, but they

1868
01:02:23,783 --> 01:02:25,783
re

1869
01:02:26,152 --> 01:02:27,153
exponentially more serious. The

1870
01:02:27,153 --> 01:02:28,455
stakes are incredibly high here

1871
01:02:28,455 --> 01:02:30,823
and I think that the

1872
01:02:30,823 --> 01:02:32,425
description of the car accident

1873
01:02:32,425 --> 01:02:35,940
is chilling. That was 11 years

1874
01:02:35,940 --> 01:02:36,963
ago. The new apartments will

1875
01:02:36,963 --> 01:02:37,531
bring in hundreds of new

1876
01:02:37,531 --> 01:02:39,931
residents to this exact

1877
01:02:40,660 --> 01:02:41,968
location. The new pediatrics

1878
01:02:41,968 --> 01:02:43,269
office at the corner of, uh,

1879
01:02:43,269 --> 01:02:44,271
River Hill Drive and 10th

1880
01:02:44,271 --> 01:02:44,737
Street is opening up and it

1881
01:02:44,737 --> 01:02:46,673
s

1882
01:02:46,673 --> 01:02:50,273
going to bring in probably 100s

1883
01:02:50,877 --> 01:02:52,645
of trips a day. Every day.

1884
01:02:52,645 --> 01:02:54,848
Beyond the Food Lion and, um,

1885
01:02:54,848 --> 01:02:57,150
even outside the city limits,

1886
01:02:57,150 --> 01:02:58,618
we see more and more growth.

1887
01:02:58,618 --> 01:03:00,553
All the way headed down to

1888
01:03:00,553 --> 01:03:01,954
Black Jack Simpson and

1889
01:03:01,954 --> 01:03:03,489
Chockainity along 33 East.

1890
01:03:03,489 --> 01:03:05,859
Growth is good. This is a good

1891
01:03:05,859 --> 01:03:08,394
thing. Glad to see the growth.

1892
01:03:08,394 --> 01:03:09,762
But until 10th Street has some

1893
01:03:09,762 --> 01:03:11,698
improvements, we cannot

1894
01:03:11,698 --> 01:03:14,698
continue to be reckless with

1895
01:03:15,101 --> 01:03:16,670
our decisions. 10th Street has

1896
01:03:16,670 --> 01:03:18,972
been largely unchanged in, I

1897
01:03:18,972 --> 01:03:21,374
dare to say 20 years. We got a

1898
01:03:21,374 --> 01:03:23,743
stoplight at Cowra Beach and we

1899
01:03:23,743 --> 01:03:26,713
got that. Why? Because a young

1900
01:03:26,713 --> 01:03:29,649
man died there. Young man died

1901
01:03:29,649 --> 01:03:32,986
there. We do not want that

1902
01:03:32,986 --> 01:03:33,553
blood on our hands again. 10th

1903
01:03:33,553 --> 01:03:35,588
Street was designed as a

1904
01:03:35,588 --> 01:03:37,988
thoroughfare. Get you from

1905
01:03:39,658 --> 01:03:41,428
Greenville. Points east. It

1906
01:03:41,428 --> 01:03:42,529
lacks the infrastructure to

1907
01:03:42,529 --> 01:03:42,629
safely carry the load we

1908
01:03:42,629 --> 01:03:44,629
re

1909
01:03:45,865 --> 01:03:48,301
asking of it today. Dividers,

1910
01:03:48,301 --> 01:03:50,303
safety ones, lane demarcation,

1911
01:03:50,303 --> 01:03:53,303
and reduced speed down to 35

1912
01:03:53,539 --> 01:03:55,141
miles an hour. Most critically,

1913
01:03:55,141 --> 01:03:56,643
it lacks traffic signals.

1914
01:03:56,643 --> 01:03:58,444
Indeed, the traffic flow out

1915
01:03:58,444 --> 01:04:01,130
there, as has been described,

1916
01:04:01,130 --> 01:04:04,613
resembles a kind of a wildcard

1917
01:04:07,254 --> 01:04:09,923
zone, anything goes. So Taking

1918
01:04:09,923 --> 01:04:11,391
all of this into consideration.

1919
01:04:11,391 --> 01:04:12,893
We are headed in a bad

1920
01:04:12,893 --> 01:04:14,827
direction on 10th Street East

1921
01:04:14,827 --> 01:04:16,462
until we get the infrastructure

1922
01:04:16,462 --> 01:04:18,698
improvements that we need and

1923
01:04:18,698 --> 01:04:21,601
we can halt this bad direction.

1924
01:04:21,601 --> 01:04:23,670
We can take some time to do

1925
01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:25,539
things the right way and, um, I

1926
01:04:25,539 --> 01:04:26,539
also want to, uh, mention the

1927
01:04:26,539 --> 01:04:28,740
heritage trees that I believe

1928
01:04:28,740 --> 01:04:28,175
are also on this site. There

1929
01:04:28,175 --> 01:04:29,509
s

1930
01:04:29,509 --> 01:04:30,310
some old pines, they

1931
01:04:30,310 --> 01:04:30,878
re

1932
01:04:30,878 --> 01:04:31,310
distinctive. They

1933
01:04:31,310 --> 01:04:31,578
re cedars,

1934
01:04:31,578 --> 01:04:32,845
and they

1935
01:04:32,845 --> 01:04:35,845
ve been there a long

1936
01:04:37,830 --> 01:04:38,784
time. So with all of these

1937
01:04:38,784 --> 01:04:41,784
considerations. I move to deny

1938
01:04:44,257 --> 01:04:46,159
this annexation request. Mayor,

1939
01:04:46,159 --> 01:04:47,460
I, I would just like to make a

1940
01:04:47,460 --> 01:04:49,863
few points to to make sure the

1941
01:04:49,863 --> 01:04:50,897
council understands. The, uh,

1942
01:04:50,897 --> 01:04:52,198
the site plan that has been

1943
01:04:52,198 --> 01:04:52,833
presented does have the pork

1944
01:04:52,833 --> 01:04:55,568
chop that is to protect the

1945
01:04:55,568 --> 01:04:58,304
traffic. To limit the, the

1946
01:04:58,304 --> 01:04:59,206
left-hand turns. The only

1947
01:04:59,206 --> 01:05:01,408
reason we know anything about

1948
01:05:01,408 --> 01:05:02,609
tropical smoothie. The fact

1949
01:05:02,609 --> 01:05:02,809
that there is a slight plane.

1950
01:05:02,809 --> 01:05:04,543
There

1951
01:05:04,543 --> 01:05:05,445
s a lot of annexations

1952
01:05:05,445 --> 01:05:05,545
and rezonings that we don

1953
01:05:05,545 --> 01:05:05,812
t

1954
01:05:05,812 --> 01:05:07,680
know what

1955
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:08,649
s going to go there.

1956
01:05:08,649 --> 01:05:10,183
But that property is owned by

1957
01:05:10,183 --> 01:05:11,170
right, people have the right to

1958
01:05:11,170 --> 01:05:13,417
move forward with development

1959
01:05:13,653 --> 01:05:14,921
on that property. The 10th

1960
01:05:14,921 --> 01:05:15,540
Street traffic, uh, uh, I

1961
01:05:15,540 --> 01:05:17,230
ve

1962
01:05:17,230 --> 01:05:18,391
said over and over again, yes,

1963
01:05:18,391 --> 01:05:20,660
10th Street, Memorial Drive. We

1964
01:05:20,660 --> 01:05:21,794
have a lot of, of Of

1965
01:05:21,794 --> 01:05:23,130
thoroughfares that are very

1966
01:05:23,130 --> 01:05:26,600
important to us and that are

1967
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,534
that are that are um. That are,

1968
01:05:28,534 --> 01:05:28,968
uh, unsafe in many ways, but

1969
01:05:28,968 --> 01:05:29,469
ultimately what we

1970
01:05:29,469 --> 01:05:31,304
re saying

1971
01:05:31,304 --> 01:05:32,372
here is that are we going to

1972
01:05:32,372 --> 01:05:33,707
basically just stop all

1973
01:05:33,707 --> 01:05:34,708
development until 10th Street

1974
01:05:34,708 --> 01:05:35,209
until dot does something. I

1975
01:05:35,209 --> 01:05:35,442
mean, if that

1976
01:05:35,442 --> 01:05:35,542
s what we

1977
01:05:35,542 --> 01:05:37,344
re

1978
01:05:37,344 --> 01:05:38,645
saying, we need to make sure

1979
01:05:38,645 --> 01:05:39,712
that in dot understands that.

1980
01:05:39,712 --> 01:05:40,613
But remember, we

1981
01:05:40,613 --> 01:05:41,748
re only can

1982
01:05:41,748 --> 01:05:41,848
stop it for those that you

1983
01:05:41,848 --> 01:05:43,848
re

1984
01:05:44,417 --> 01:05:45,418
not annexed. Or they have not

1985
01:05:45,418 --> 01:05:47,888
had, um, the, the proper

1986
01:05:47,888 --> 01:05:48,922
rezoning. Everyone else and in

1987
01:05:48,922 --> 01:05:50,724
many ways it might

1988
01:05:50,724 --> 01:05:52,659
disenfranchise those that are

1989
01:05:52,659 --> 01:05:54,293
not annexed or have a, a, a

1990
01:05:54,293 --> 01:05:54,660
proper zoning that

1991
01:05:54,660 --> 01:05:55,696
s also

1992
01:05:55,696 --> 01:05:57,631
authorized or supported by

1993
01:05:57,631 --> 01:05:59,990
other Horizons plan. We just

1994
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:59,532
got to take that into

1995
01:05:59,532 --> 01:05:59,867
consideration. I

1996
01:05:59,867 --> 01:06:01,867
m just putting

1997
01:06:02,436 --> 01:06:03,570
out points there. And then also,

1998
01:06:03,570 --> 01:06:04,400
I think we also have to

1999
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:04,871
understand if we

2000
01:06:04,871 --> 01:06:05,380
re, uh, if

2001
01:06:05,380 --> 01:06:06,339
we

2002
01:06:06,339 --> 01:06:07,341
re talking about uh looking

2003
01:06:07,341 --> 01:06:10,344
at site plans that have already

2004
01:06:10,344 --> 01:06:10,443
that That for a property that

2005
01:06:10,443 --> 01:06:12,443
s

2006
01:06:12,746 --> 01:06:13,780
already, um, would be allowed

2007
01:06:13,780 --> 01:06:14,748
by right of use of that

2008
01:06:14,748 --> 01:06:15,949
property, then we could just,

2009
01:06:15,949 --> 01:06:18,185
we could put a stifle to

2010
01:06:18,185 --> 01:06:20,119
development. As well, so I just

2011
01:06:20,119 --> 01:06:20,654
wanna make those points. All

2012
01:06:20,654 --> 01:06:21,210
right, there

2013
01:06:21,210 --> 01:06:23,421
s been a motion

2014
01:06:26,693 --> 01:06:26,859
made. Is there a second? I like

2015
01:06:26,859 --> 01:06:27,761
she

2016
01:06:27,761 --> 01:06:28,428
s been seconded by couples.

2017
01:06:28,428 --> 01:06:30,797
Will you repeat the motion for

2018
01:06:30,797 --> 01:06:34,397
me? Uh, motion to deny the

2019
01:06:34,901 --> 01:06:35,635
request to annex. Um All right,

2020
01:06:35,635 --> 01:06:37,303
Council member just you open up

2021
01:06:37,303 --> 01:06:39,239
for comments. I like to comment,

2022
01:06:39,239 --> 01:06:40,673
absolutely. First off, I, when

2023
01:06:40,673 --> 01:06:42,420
we dealt with a similar issue

2024
01:06:42,420 --> 01:06:44,211
as much on a smaller basis with

2025
01:06:44,211 --> 01:06:46,213
the, uh, Port Comer Road. I

2026
01:06:46,213 --> 01:06:47,447
went out and tried to get some

2027
01:06:47,447 --> 01:06:48,715
education about the number of

2028
01:06:48,715 --> 01:06:49,449
accidents and calls for service

2029
01:06:49,449 --> 01:06:52,449
pedestrians, all that kind of

2030
01:06:52,452 --> 01:06:53,853
stuff. If you recall, this

2031
01:06:53,853 --> 01:06:54,821
council recall, very few and in

2032
01:06:54,821 --> 01:06:58,421
fact had actually gone down one

2033
01:06:58,624 --> 01:07:00,126
year. So I understand the

2034
01:07:00,126 --> 01:07:02,862
opinion about The safety of

2035
01:07:02,862 --> 01:07:03,229
this saying. But in reality,

2036
01:07:03,229 --> 01:07:04,531
the facts don

2037
01:07:04,531 --> 01:07:06,330
t support that.

2038
01:07:06,330 --> 01:07:07,000
If you go make the inquiries,

2039
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,469
it does not support those

2040
01:07:09,469 --> 01:07:11,938
opinions. You can disagree with

2041
01:07:11,938 --> 01:07:12,639
me, but it do the diligence of

2042
01:07:12,639 --> 01:07:13,840
calling and determining how

2043
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:15,442
many accidents happen, where

2044
01:07:15,442 --> 01:07:17,211
they are, pedestrian strikes

2045
01:07:17,211 --> 01:07:18,779
calls for emt and service in

2046
01:07:18,779 --> 01:07:19,312
that regard, does not support

2047
01:07:19,312 --> 01:07:19,646
that. I recognize there

2048
01:07:19,646 --> 01:07:20,780
s a lot

2049
01:07:20,780 --> 01:07:23,116
of traffic on that roadway just

2050
01:07:23,116 --> 01:07:24,484
like there is in Arlington,

2051
01:07:24,484 --> 01:07:25,452
pretty much every major

2052
01:07:25,452 --> 01:07:26,987
thoroughfare in Greenville has

2053
01:07:26,987 --> 01:07:28,889
traffic in the morning and the

2054
01:07:28,889 --> 01:07:29,422
afternoon. My office is on

2055
01:07:29,422 --> 01:07:29,623
Arlington Boulevard. It

2056
01:07:29,623 --> 01:07:31,291
s crazy

2057
01:07:31,291 --> 01:07:31,958
in the morning, crazy in the

2058
01:07:31,958 --> 01:07:32,893
afternoon. How you deal with

2059
01:07:32,893 --> 01:07:33,930
some of that, which we

2060
01:07:33,930 --> 01:07:35,930
re not,

2061
01:07:35,229 --> 01:07:36,396
which is a a part and parcel of

2062
01:07:36,396 --> 01:07:38,532
this is you do traffic

2063
01:07:38,532 --> 01:07:39,166
enforcement. And then you

2064
01:07:39,166 --> 01:07:41,235
enforce those traffic tickets

2065
01:07:41,235 --> 01:07:42,970
cited. And not, and not let

2066
01:07:42,970 --> 01:07:44,471
them go on the buy side so

2067
01:07:44,471 --> 01:07:46,306
people learn their lesson about

2068
01:07:46,306 --> 01:07:47,273
speeding. We have to make

2069
01:07:47,273 --> 01:07:48,741
assumptions that people are

2070
01:07:48,741 --> 01:07:49,900
going to abide by the law when

2071
01:07:49,900 --> 01:07:50,177
they don

2072
01:07:50,177 --> 01:07:52,879
t, you take them and

2073
01:07:52,879 --> 01:07:53,447
prosecute them. Simple as that.

2074
01:07:53,447 --> 01:07:54,315
And so if you

2075
01:07:54,315 --> 01:07:55,382
ve got a right in,

2076
01:07:55,382 --> 01:07:55,915
right out, you

2077
01:07:55,915 --> 01:07:57,915
re supposed to

2078
01:07:58,151 --> 01:07:58,819
turn right out, right in. That

2079
01:07:58,819 --> 01:08:00,921
means traffic only flowing in

2080
01:08:00,921 --> 01:08:01,988
one direction. We have to

2081
01:08:01,988 --> 01:08:03,123
assume people are going to

2082
01:08:03,123 --> 01:08:03,423
follow the law. They don

2083
01:08:03,423 --> 01:08:04,824
t you

2084
01:08:04,824 --> 01:08:07,694
enforce the law against them.

2085
01:08:07,694 --> 01:08:08,561
And so It doesn

2086
01:08:08,561 --> 01:08:10,463
t support those

2087
01:08:10,463 --> 01:08:11,931
opinions with the facts. And

2088
01:08:11,931 --> 01:08:13,433
then second, the only way we

2089
01:08:13,433 --> 01:08:16,203
can grow this city is if we

2090
01:08:16,203 --> 01:08:17,438
develop it. And so basically as

2091
01:08:17,438 --> 01:08:18,906
city manager said, do we just

2092
01:08:18,906 --> 01:08:21,674
put all development on hold? On

2093
01:08:21,674 --> 01:08:21,909
this section. I mean, is that

2094
01:08:21,909 --> 01:08:23,811
what we

2095
01:08:23,811 --> 01:08:24,644
re prepared to do?

2096
01:08:24,644 --> 01:08:25,912
Because recognizing this is

2097
01:08:25,912 --> 01:08:26,246
something that a lot of our

2098
01:08:26,246 --> 01:08:28,246
citizens don

2099
01:08:28,448 --> 01:08:30,448
t recognize. About

2100
01:08:31,852 --> 01:08:32,786
65 or 70% of our, our, uh,

2101
01:08:32,786 --> 01:08:34,788
budget comes from real estate

2102
01:08:34,788 --> 01:08:36,256
taxes and then property taxes.

2103
01:08:36,256 --> 01:08:36,957
And one of the things we have a

2104
01:08:36,957 --> 01:08:37,691
disadvantage is we can

2105
01:08:37,691 --> 01:08:39,126
t tax

2106
01:08:39,126 --> 01:08:40,427
all the property ecu has, which

2107
01:08:40,427 --> 01:08:42,196
is millions and millions of

2108
01:08:42,196 --> 01:08:43,163
dollars, as well as a hospital.

2109
01:08:43,163 --> 01:08:43,830
So for us to grow, we

2110
01:08:43,830 --> 01:08:45,830
ve got to

2111
01:08:46,900 --> 01:08:48,836
grow by development. This is

2112
01:08:48,836 --> 01:08:49,503
done properly. This is just the

2113
01:08:49,503 --> 01:08:50,738
beginning process. They still

2114
01:08:50,738 --> 01:08:51,438
got to go through a lot of

2115
01:08:51,438 --> 01:08:51,550
hoops to get whatever they

2116
01:08:51,550 --> 01:08:53,273
re

2117
01:08:53,273 --> 01:08:53,740
going to put there put there.

2118
01:08:53,740 --> 01:08:55,410
And so it

2119
01:08:55,410 --> 01:08:56,610
s a $4 million piece

2120
01:08:56,610 --> 01:08:58,879
of property and then you, it

2121
01:08:58,879 --> 01:09:00,514
can only get bigger. And so,

2122
01:09:00,514 --> 01:09:00,614
What do we say to a person

2123
01:09:00,614 --> 01:09:01,348
s

2124
01:09:01,348 --> 01:09:01,615
develop their piece of land.

2125
01:09:01,615 --> 01:09:02,883
Well, we

2126
01:09:02,883 --> 01:09:03,817
re going to put you on

2127
01:09:03,817 --> 01:09:05,785
hold indefinitely until we

2128
01:09:05,785 --> 01:09:07,254
decide what dot is going to do.

2129
01:09:07,254 --> 01:09:09,323
Every city that develops has

2130
01:09:09,323 --> 01:09:10,690
the same problem. Every single

2131
01:09:10,690 --> 01:09:11,491
city, nobody can tell me

2132
01:09:11,491 --> 01:09:12,426
otherwise or challenge me with

2133
01:09:12,426 --> 01:09:15,161
the facts because every city,

2134
01:09:15,161 --> 01:09:16,463
go to Raleigh. Go to Wilmington.

2135
01:09:16,463 --> 01:09:19,466
They all have the same problem

2136
01:09:19,466 --> 01:09:19,833
as you grow. And so, you know,

2137
01:09:19,833 --> 01:09:20,800
if we

2138
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:21,301
ve got the right in and

2139
01:09:21,301 --> 01:09:22,736
right out and you

2140
01:09:22,736 --> 01:09:24,736
ve got the

2141
01:09:25,206 --> 01:09:26,273
turnoff of oak down, uh, way, I

2142
01:09:26,273 --> 01:09:28,108
mean, I went out there the

2143
01:09:28,108 --> 01:09:29,576
other day looking at this piece

2144
01:09:29,576 --> 01:09:31,450
of property and drove out

2145
01:09:31,450 --> 01:09:32,212
during lunchtime, be very

2146
01:09:32,212 --> 01:09:33,414
little traffic, and this is

2147
01:09:33,414 --> 01:09:33,714
lunchtime, but I bet if you see

2148
01:09:33,714 --> 01:09:34,181
it at 8 o

2149
01:09:34,181 --> 01:09:34,348
clock in the morning,

2150
01:09:34,348 --> 01:09:35,348
it

2151
01:09:35,348 --> 01:09:35,549
s probably a lot of traffic,

2152
01:09:35,549 --> 01:09:36,820
5 o

2153
01:09:36,820 --> 01:09:38,718
clock in the afternoon, a

2154
01:09:38,718 --> 01:09:40,687
lot of traffic like there is in

2155
01:09:40,687 --> 01:09:42,423
Arlington, Greenville Boulevard,

2156
01:09:42,423 --> 01:09:43,791
uh, 14th Street, Memorial Drive,

2157
01:09:43,791 --> 01:09:45,759
Highway 11, you can name every

2158
01:09:45,759 --> 01:09:46,860
single one of them. You know, I

2159
01:09:46,860 --> 01:09:47,940
just think that at some point,

2160
01:09:47,940 --> 01:09:47,861
we don

2161
01:09:47,861 --> 01:09:48,280
t, we shouldn

2162
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:48,828
t be

2163
01:09:48,828 --> 01:09:49,830
picking and choosing which one.

2164
01:09:49,830 --> 01:09:50,764
Developing or saying we

2165
01:09:50,764 --> 01:09:51,431
re

2166
01:09:51,431 --> 01:09:52,766
gonna stop all development

2167
01:09:52,766 --> 01:09:53,800
because this has been a

2168
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:54,901
position of some people in this

2169
01:09:54,901 --> 01:09:56,136
council, even for something as

2170
01:09:56,136 --> 01:09:58,538
small as like the, the shop

2171
01:09:58,538 --> 01:09:59,173
that was going to go on Portar

2172
01:09:59,173 --> 01:09:59,673
Road. There

2173
01:09:59,673 --> 01:10:00,741
s been no evidence

2174
01:10:00,741 --> 01:10:02,750
that this is going to exceed

2175
01:10:02,750 --> 01:10:02,910
the traffic volume of the

2176
01:10:02,910 --> 01:10:03,443
highway, or that it

2177
01:10:03,443 --> 01:10:04,978
s going to

2178
01:10:04,978 --> 01:10:06,313
contribute to accents or some

2179
01:10:06,313 --> 01:10:07,414
major traffic problem on this,

2180
01:10:07,414 --> 01:10:09,249
uh, excuse me, accent problem

2181
01:10:09,249 --> 01:10:11,218
on this highway. And again,

2182
01:10:11,218 --> 01:10:11,685
look at the facts. So for all

2183
01:10:11,685 --> 01:10:12,553
those reasons, I

2184
01:10:12,553 --> 01:10:12,752
m, I

2185
01:10:12,752 --> 01:10:14,540
m going

2186
01:10:14,540 --> 01:10:14,654
to devote, vote against the

2187
01:10:14,654 --> 01:10:17,654
motion is currently on the

2188
01:10:18,559 --> 01:10:21,559
floor. You hear their comments?

2189
01:10:22,562 --> 01:10:24,431
I have, um, a few comments. Uh,

2190
01:10:24,431 --> 01:10:28,310
number one, when we look at

2191
01:10:28,369 --> 01:10:30,300
supporting facts. Um, not just

2192
01:10:30,300 --> 01:10:32,339
the facts of the number of

2193
01:10:32,339 --> 01:10:35,109
trips coming in and out of that

2194
01:10:35,109 --> 01:10:36,510
business, but the fact that we

2195
01:10:36,510 --> 01:10:38,445
have already exceeded exceeded

2196
01:10:38,445 --> 01:10:39,947
the amount of traffic that was

2197
01:10:39,947 --> 01:10:43,917
planned to go up and down 10th

2198
01:10:43,917 --> 01:10:47,488
Street. That is Uh, pretty well

2199
01:10:47,488 --> 01:10:49,489
known fact, right, we know that

2200
01:10:49,489 --> 01:10:51,125
we have an imbalance of the

2201
01:10:51,125 --> 01:10:52,326
amount of traffic that

2202
01:10:52,326 --> 01:10:54,326
s going

2203
01:10:54,895 --> 01:10:56,764
on that road with the amount of

2204
01:10:56,764 --> 01:10:59,132
residential properties um going

2205
01:10:59,132 --> 01:11:00,233
there and we know that it is

2206
01:11:00,233 --> 01:11:03,504
unsafe like we really know that.

2207
01:11:03,504 --> 01:11:05,472
Um, when we talk about growing

2208
01:11:05,472 --> 01:11:07,241
our city for development. Yes,

2209
01:11:07,241 --> 01:11:08,742
we all want to see growth, but

2210
01:11:08,742 --> 01:11:11,742
we want to see responsible

2211
01:11:14,481 --> 01:11:17,481
growth. And gas stations, smoke

2212
01:11:17,584 --> 01:11:18,419
shops, um, and, uh, restaurants,

2213
01:11:18,419 --> 01:11:20,419
I don

2214
01:11:20,755 --> 01:11:24,355
t look at as. Growth or

2215
01:11:27,361 --> 01:11:29,330
development. Um So, uh, And,

2216
01:11:29,330 --> 01:11:30,831
and whatever we do decide, it

2217
01:11:30,831 --> 01:11:31,966
should be creating jobs. It

2218
01:11:31,966 --> 01:11:34,735
should be creating jobs that

2219
01:11:34,735 --> 01:11:37,571
pay livable wages. Um, all of

2220
01:11:37,571 --> 01:11:40,740
those things so that we can

2221
01:11:40,740 --> 01:11:41,141
utilize what we consider growth

2222
01:11:41,141 --> 01:11:42,576
and development to actually

2223
01:11:42,576 --> 01:11:44,912
address some of the root issues

2224
01:11:44,912 --> 01:11:46,113
that we have in our community,

2225
01:11:46,113 --> 01:11:49,490
which is housing and food

2226
01:11:49,490 --> 01:11:49,951
insecurity. So, um, if it

2227
01:11:49,951 --> 01:11:51,951
s not

2228
01:11:52,190 --> 01:11:54,419
paying livable wages, number

2229
01:11:56,257 --> 01:11:58,657
one, number 2, Offering a

2230
01:12:00,270 --> 01:12:01,428
number of jobs that would

2231
01:12:01,428 --> 01:12:02,529
actually uh create some

2232
01:12:02,529 --> 01:12:04,532
economic opportunities for some

2233
01:12:04,532 --> 01:12:04,865
of our citizens, then I don

2234
01:12:04,865 --> 01:12:06,865
t

2235
01:12:07,234 --> 01:12:09,634
know that I necessarily

2236
01:12:09,703 --> 01:12:11,472
consider it responsible growth

2237
01:12:11,472 --> 01:12:14,472
and development, um, and then

2238
01:12:14,508 --> 01:12:15,609
lastly, what do we say to

2239
01:12:15,609 --> 01:12:17,277
property owners and developers,

2240
01:12:17,277 --> 01:12:17,411
I have a couple of things that

2241
01:12:17,411 --> 01:12:19,411
I

2242
01:12:19,814 --> 01:12:21,515
d like to say to property

2243
01:12:21,515 --> 01:12:22,983
owners and developers. Number

2244
01:12:22,983 --> 01:12:24,752
one, this city belongs to our

2245
01:12:24,752 --> 01:12:26,752
residents. We

2246
01:12:28,188 --> 01:12:30,588
re voted in by

2247
01:12:30,924 --> 01:12:32,493
our residents. Um I am elected

2248
01:12:32,493 --> 01:12:33,427
to represent them. I

2249
01:12:33,427 --> 01:12:35,262
m not

2250
01:12:35,262 --> 01:12:37,662
elected to represent special

2251
01:12:38,566 --> 01:12:38,766
interests or developers. Um, so

2252
01:12:38,766 --> 01:12:40,670
that

2253
01:12:40,670 --> 01:12:40,601
s number one. Now I do

2254
01:12:40,601 --> 01:12:42,670
believe in growth and

2255
01:12:42,670 --> 01:12:45,670
development. And I do support

2256
01:12:46,139 --> 01:12:48,475
that. But I support that when

2257
01:12:48,475 --> 01:12:49,443
number one, you have

2258
01:12:49,443 --> 01:12:50,778
communicated with our citizens

2259
01:12:50,778 --> 01:12:51,946
and you have considered how

2260
01:12:51,946 --> 01:12:54,946
your actions are going to

2261
01:12:55,249 --> 01:12:58,849
impact their day to day lived

2262
01:12:58,919 --> 01:13:00,454
experiences and number 2. Um,

2263
01:13:00,454 --> 01:13:03,323
that you have considered how we

2264
01:13:03,323 --> 01:13:04,792
need to protect and preserve

2265
01:13:04,792 --> 01:13:08,392
the quality of life of our

2266
01:13:09,897 --> 01:13:11,432
community. And part of that is

2267
01:13:11,432 --> 01:13:13,330
considering what type of trees

2268
01:13:13,330 --> 01:13:15,669
and vegetation is on properties.

2269
01:13:15,669 --> 01:13:17,772
I think that we need to set

2270
01:13:17,772 --> 01:13:21,410
some standards for what we want

2271
01:13:21,410 --> 01:13:22,977
in our city, and we need to set

2272
01:13:22,977 --> 01:13:23,677
standards even for a property

2273
01:13:23,677 --> 01:13:25,450
owners and developers that this

2274
01:13:25,450 --> 01:13:27,748
is how we would like you to

2275
01:13:27,748 --> 01:13:31,348
move forward. When you want to

2276
01:13:32,486 --> 01:13:34,588
be a business here. Um, So, uh,

2277
01:13:34,588 --> 01:13:37,588
I appreciate. All of my

2278
01:13:37,892 --> 01:13:38,825
co-counsel. But I will

2279
01:13:38,825 --> 01:13:39,393
reiterate what I

2280
01:13:39,393 --> 01:13:40,461
m elected to

2281
01:13:40,461 --> 01:13:43,461
represent and I do that

2282
01:13:44,699 --> 01:13:46,601
unapologetically. Just as a

2283
01:13:46,601 --> 01:13:47,769
question. I was wondering if

2284
01:13:47,769 --> 01:13:49,703
our traffic engineer could

2285
01:13:49,703 --> 01:13:50,504
answer a question real quick

2286
01:13:50,504 --> 01:13:51,338
about the traffic count that

2287
01:13:51,338 --> 01:13:54,938
there was a statement that was

2288
01:13:55,376 --> 01:13:58,376
made that Street exceeds the

2289
01:13:59,747 --> 01:14:00,681
limit for the traffic count. I

2290
01:14:00,681 --> 01:14:03,681
thought I remembered that being

2291
01:14:08,422 --> 01:14:08,623
said before. Yes, sir. So

2292
01:14:08,623 --> 01:14:09,957
there

2293
01:14:09,957 --> 01:14:12,660
s a statement that was

2294
01:14:12,660 --> 01:14:12,893
made about the traffic count in

2295
01:14:12,893 --> 01:14:13,360
That we

2296
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,760
ve already exceeded the.

2297
01:14:16,197 --> 01:14:17,265
I guess the allowable amount of

2298
01:14:17,265 --> 01:14:17,498
traffic on 10th Street, is that

2299
01:14:17,498 --> 01:14:18,800
I don

2300
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:20,868
t know what the exact

2301
01:14:20,868 --> 01:14:23,868
capacity is, but the current

2302
01:14:25,305 --> 01:14:25,506
adt is is 20. 2 24,000. And

2303
01:14:25,506 --> 01:14:27,274
that

2304
01:14:27,274 --> 01:14:29,143
s not at capacity as far

2305
01:14:29,143 --> 01:14:30,211
as the roadway section goes.

2306
01:14:30,211 --> 01:14:30,778
First place you

2307
01:14:30,778 --> 01:14:31,612
re gonna lose

2308
01:14:31,612 --> 01:14:34,120
capacity is at the

2309
01:14:35,983 --> 01:14:36,416
intersections. Repeat that. I

2310
01:14:36,416 --> 01:14:37,217
m

2311
01:14:37,217 --> 01:14:39,220
sorry. I just want to hear him

2312
01:14:39,220 --> 01:14:39,387
clearly. I, I didn

2313
01:14:39,387 --> 01:14:40,153
t, I

2314
01:14:40,153 --> 01:14:41,655
m sorry,

2315
01:14:41,655 --> 01:14:42,223
I didn

2316
01:14:42,223 --> 01:14:45,793
t hear that last part so

2317
01:14:45,793 --> 01:14:47,161
I can hear you clearly. Zip sip

2318
01:14:47,161 --> 01:14:49,630
the capacity of the roadway

2319
01:14:49,630 --> 01:14:51,640
itself, which is basically a

2320
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:53,000
five-lane section is in

2321
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:56,000
excessive with the current adts,

2322
01:14:56,904 --> 01:14:57,710
which is about 22, 24,000. So

2323
01:14:57,710 --> 01:14:58,272
it

2324
01:14:58,272 --> 01:14:59,507
s not exceeding capacity.

2325
01:14:59,507 --> 01:14:59,941
The roadway section. We

2326
01:14:59,941 --> 01:15:00,875
re

2327
01:15:00,875 --> 01:15:04,144
going to first find the loss of,

2328
01:15:04,144 --> 01:15:07,749
of Of uh capacity is at the

2329
01:15:07,749 --> 01:15:10,149
intersections. Ok. So the

2330
01:15:11,180 --> 01:15:13,854
section itself is Support can

2331
01:15:13,854 --> 01:15:14,955
support this traffic, plus the

2332
01:15:14,955 --> 01:15:16,823
residential development plus

2333
01:15:16,823 --> 01:15:19,226
the small commercial pocket. As

2334
01:15:19,226 --> 01:15:22,663
far as the section goes. And if

2335
01:15:22,663 --> 01:15:24,298
I MAY, 10th Street, however, at

2336
01:15:24,298 --> 01:15:25,666
this point was designated or

2337
01:15:25,666 --> 01:15:26,967
was designed to be a

2338
01:15:26,967 --> 01:15:27,568
thoroughfare and not a

2339
01:15:27,568 --> 01:15:28,350
commercial corridor. That

2340
01:15:28,350 --> 01:15:28,569
s

2341
01:15:28,569 --> 01:15:29,504
true and that wouldn

2342
01:15:29,504 --> 01:15:30,972
t, that

2343
01:15:30,972 --> 01:15:33,972
would improve the capacity, yes.

2344
01:15:34,542 --> 01:15:37,211
Right. Ok. Only because of the

2345
01:15:37,211 --> 01:15:37,411
restrictions by the median. And

2346
01:15:37,411 --> 01:15:38,178
that

2347
01:15:38,178 --> 01:15:38,780
s the only reason. So when

2348
01:15:38,780 --> 01:15:39,447
you have it doesn

2349
01:15:39,447 --> 01:15:39,547
t, it doesn

2350
01:15:39,547 --> 01:15:41,547
t

2351
01:15:41,582 --> 01:15:42,951
add a travel lane. Going from

2352
01:15:42,951 --> 01:15:45,252
what we have now. To a

2353
01:15:45,252 --> 01:15:48,252
thoroughfare. So when you have

2354
01:15:48,756 --> 01:15:50,691
a, a, a road, this designated

2355
01:15:50,691 --> 01:15:52,159
designed as a thoroughfare that

2356
01:15:52,159 --> 01:15:52,327
becomes a commercial corridor.

2357
01:15:52,327 --> 01:15:53,127
You

2358
01:15:53,127 --> 01:15:54,128
ve got the philosophy of

2359
01:15:54,128 --> 01:15:55,496
moving people from point a to

2360
01:15:55,496 --> 01:15:56,964
point b as fast as possible,

2361
01:15:56,964 --> 01:15:58,966
but all of a sudden you

2362
01:15:58,966 --> 01:16:00,966
ve got,

2363
01:16:01,435 --> 01:16:02,270
uh, businesses and, uh,

2364
01:16:02,270 --> 01:16:02,503
apartment complexes and

2365
01:16:02,503 --> 01:16:03,971
dentist

2366
01:16:03,971 --> 01:16:05,306
s office and pediatrics

2367
01:16:05,306 --> 01:16:06,374
office and uh boat repair shops

2368
01:16:06,374 --> 01:16:08,108
and all kinds of things

2369
01:16:08,108 --> 01:16:09,643
happening that were not

2370
01:16:09,643 --> 01:16:11,780
initially part of that

2371
01:16:11,780 --> 01:16:12,747
assessment, but the difference

2372
01:16:12,747 --> 01:16:15,747
in capacity comes because of

2373
01:16:16,484 --> 01:16:17,285
the median. The median

2374
01:16:17,285 --> 01:16:19,285
restricting access, especially

2375
01:16:19,854 --> 01:16:20,855
the left turns. That

2376
01:16:20,855 --> 01:16:21,188
s, that

2377
01:16:21,188 --> 01:16:22,656
s

2378
01:16:22,656 --> 01:16:23,691
where the improved capacity

2379
01:16:23,691 --> 01:16:23,891
really comes from because it

2380
01:16:23,891 --> 01:16:24,792
doesn

2381
01:16:24,792 --> 01:16:24,892
t add a lane, it doesn

2382
01:16:24,892 --> 01:16:26,427
t

2383
01:16:26,427 --> 01:16:26,860
add a through lane. It

2384
01:16:26,860 --> 01:16:28,396
s still

2385
01:16:28,396 --> 01:16:29,396
gonna be 2 lanes in each

2386
01:16:29,396 --> 01:16:30,331
direction, which the center

2387
01:16:30,331 --> 01:16:31,933
turn. It would have a center

2388
01:16:31,933 --> 01:16:32,133
median. That, that

2389
01:16:32,133 --> 01:16:33,301
s, that

2390
01:16:33,301 --> 01:16:35,136
s.

2391
01:16:35,136 --> 01:16:36,437
That would be the next step.

2392
01:16:36,437 --> 01:16:37,172
But we do not have a center

2393
01:16:37,172 --> 01:16:38,239
median. There

2394
01:16:38,239 --> 01:16:39,139
s just a a middle

2395
01:16:39,139 --> 01:16:39,607
crazy lane. It

2396
01:16:39,607 --> 01:16:40,740
s yeah, it

2397
01:16:40,740 --> 01:16:40,240
s

2398
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:42,240
it

2399
01:16:43,144 --> 01:16:44,478
d be an access management

2400
01:16:44,478 --> 01:16:45,145
project to to improve the

2401
01:16:45,145 --> 01:16:47,545
access management. Yes. Thank

2402
01:16:48,416 --> 01:16:52,160
you. One other question for, I

2403
01:16:53,888 --> 01:16:55,323
guess our city. Staff, um,

2404
01:16:55,323 --> 01:16:56,891
Would we consider this to be

2405
01:16:56,891 --> 01:16:59,927
like a mixed use development. I

2406
01:16:59,927 --> 01:17:00,962
know these are two separate.

2407
01:17:00,962 --> 01:17:01,629
Parcels and probably two

2408
01:17:01,629 --> 01:17:02,463
separate owners. Would you

2409
01:17:02,463 --> 01:17:05,660
consider this to be a mixed-use

2410
01:17:05,660 --> 01:17:07,660
development. What

2411
01:17:07,268 --> 01:17:07,901
s in red is

2412
01:17:07,901 --> 01:17:10,204
just commercial or office.

2413
01:17:10,204 --> 01:17:10,738
Right. So mixed use would

2414
01:17:10,738 --> 01:17:11,105
typically mean you you

2415
01:17:11,105 --> 01:17:12,674
re

2416
01:17:12,674 --> 01:17:13,475
adding in a residential, the

2417
01:17:13,475 --> 01:17:15,875
residential is wrapped around

2418
01:17:17,445 --> 01:17:18,313
it. So holistically, yes,

2419
01:17:18,313 --> 01:17:20,981
because we still have a back

2420
01:17:20,981 --> 01:17:22,550
portion. That will eventually

2421
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:22,750
come in as well. Sure, I mean,

2422
01:17:22,750 --> 01:17:22,950
that

2423
01:17:22,950 --> 01:17:23,451
s, that

2424
01:17:23,451 --> 01:17:25,720
s kind of what I

2425
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:25,920
meant. So as far as what is the

2426
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:27,920
city

2427
01:17:28,756 --> 01:17:30,858
s. Stance on that, is that

2428
01:17:30,858 --> 01:17:32,126
something the city supports?

2429
01:17:32,126 --> 01:17:36,231
Because the city is in favor of

2430
01:17:36,231 --> 01:17:39,231
this, correct? Right, this is,

2431
01:17:39,968 --> 01:17:41,870
this was rezoned. 10 years ago.

2432
01:17:41,870 --> 01:17:44,472
Um, what they are proposing to

2433
01:17:44,472 --> 01:17:48,720
do is buy right, that means

2434
01:17:48,809 --> 01:17:51,712
that that is, um, Reviewed by

2435
01:17:51,712 --> 01:17:51,913
staff at City dot guc staff.

2436
01:17:51,913 --> 01:17:53,347
That

2437
01:17:53,347 --> 01:17:54,215
s why, um, we talked about

2438
01:17:54,215 --> 01:17:54,482
city council doesn

2439
01:17:54,482 --> 01:17:56,482
t see site

2440
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:00,321
plans. So And then again, this

2441
01:18:00,321 --> 01:18:02,590
has already had dot involvement

2442
01:18:02,590 --> 01:18:02,757
and approval on it. So it is,

2443
01:18:02,757 --> 01:18:03,910
it

2444
01:18:03,910 --> 01:18:04,559
s, it

2445
01:18:04,559 --> 01:18:06,270
s gone through all of

2446
01:18:06,270 --> 01:18:08,363
those hoops of review and

2447
01:18:08,363 --> 01:18:10,970
approval. This is the

2448
01:18:10,970 --> 01:18:13,970
essentially the last step that

2449
01:18:13,601 --> 01:18:14,736
would be, um, That would come

2450
01:18:14,736 --> 01:18:14,869
before council, I guess is what

2451
01:18:14,869 --> 01:18:16,869
i

2452
01:18:17,305 --> 01:18:19,140
m trying to say. So

2453
01:18:19,140 --> 01:18:22,740
essentially if this were to be

2454
01:18:22,877 --> 01:18:24,780
denied tonight. I go, maybe I

2455
01:18:24,780 --> 01:18:26,948
might need some help from a, uh,

2456
01:18:26,948 --> 01:18:27,115
an attorney too. With this,

2457
01:18:27,115 --> 01:18:27,882
we

2458
01:18:27,882 --> 01:18:28,917
re essentially telling the

2459
01:18:28,917 --> 01:18:31,917
property owner that they cannot

2460
01:18:32,587 --> 01:18:35,724
do anything with their. I will

2461
01:18:35,724 --> 01:18:37,492
say this. I believe there is an

2462
01:18:37,492 --> 01:18:39,327
avenue for them. She still gets

2463
01:18:39,327 --> 01:18:42,927
sore. To still be able to

2464
01:18:48,837 --> 01:18:51,706
develop. Any other questions or

2465
01:18:51,706 --> 01:18:54,609
comments? Are we legally able

2466
01:18:54,609 --> 01:18:56,177
to refuse annexation? Mm Uh,

2467
01:18:56,177 --> 01:18:58,580
yes, this is a legislative

2468
01:18:58,580 --> 01:19:02,490
decision and um This in the

2469
01:19:02,490 --> 01:19:02,483
will of counsel, so. Mhm. It,

2470
01:19:02,483 --> 01:19:04,883
oh, go ahead, ma

2471
01:19:05,220 --> 01:19:07,220
am. I Just

2472
01:19:08,990 --> 01:19:10,525
have a couple of Comments, um,

2473
01:19:10,525 --> 01:19:10,725
Just the amount of development

2474
01:19:10,725 --> 01:19:11,392
that

2475
01:19:11,392 --> 01:19:12,493
s going in, again, I think

2476
01:19:12,493 --> 01:19:13,528
we just need to slow down a

2477
01:19:13,528 --> 01:19:13,961
little bit. There

2478
01:19:13,961 --> 01:19:14,829
s a huge

2479
01:19:14,829 --> 01:19:14,929
apartment complex, big doctor

2480
01:19:14,929 --> 01:19:16,929
s

2481
01:19:18,366 --> 01:19:19,434
office. Uh, gas stations stuff

2482
01:19:19,434 --> 01:19:19,634
going down the street, um,

2483
01:19:19,634 --> 01:19:21,200
there

2484
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:22,737
s just a lot going on at

2485
01:19:22,737 --> 01:19:24,640
the same time, and My hope is

2486
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:27,642
that we find a way to slow this

2487
01:19:27,642 --> 01:19:27,808
down a little bit, um. Because

2488
01:19:27,808 --> 01:19:29,143
we

2489
01:19:29,143 --> 01:19:30,645
re not stopping development.

2490
01:19:30,645 --> 01:19:32,380
Development is happening all

2491
01:19:32,380 --> 01:19:33,470
over the place, um, especially

2492
01:19:33,470 --> 01:19:33,948
on 10th Street. There

2493
01:19:33,948 --> 01:19:34,915
s a huge

2494
01:19:34,915 --> 01:19:35,116
apartment complex coming online.

2495
01:19:35,116 --> 01:19:36,851
There

2496
01:19:36,851 --> 01:19:37,918
s a wah wah coming down

2497
01:19:37,918 --> 01:19:38,486
the street. Um, there

2498
01:19:38,486 --> 01:19:39,988
s brand

2499
01:19:39,988 --> 01:19:40,722
new stores all up and down the

2500
01:19:40,722 --> 01:19:40,888
street there. We

2501
01:19:40,888 --> 01:19:42,888
re not

2502
01:19:43,391 --> 01:19:45,359
stopping development. Um, but

2503
01:19:45,359 --> 01:19:46,527
this is very different than the,

2504
01:19:46,527 --> 01:19:48,496
the parcel we passed a couple

2505
01:19:48,496 --> 01:19:50,698
of weeks ago. This is, is right

2506
01:19:50,698 --> 01:19:51,165
on 10th Street. Um, it

2507
01:19:51,165 --> 01:19:53,134
s right

2508
01:19:53,134 --> 01:19:53,234
on a blind curve. And it

2509
01:19:53,234 --> 01:19:55,234
s

2510
01:19:55,603 --> 01:19:56,171
right in front of a gigantic

2511
01:19:56,171 --> 01:19:56,371
apartment complex that

2512
01:19:56,371 --> 01:19:58,371
s going

2513
01:20:00,842 --> 01:20:02,444
to come online. Um And I I wish

2514
01:20:02,444 --> 01:20:03,811
there was a stoplight at River

2515
01:20:03,811 --> 01:20:05,130
Hills cause then it would be

2516
01:20:05,130 --> 01:20:07,749
sort of sandwiched by two stop

2517
01:20:07,749 --> 01:20:08,750
lights that would make a little

2518
01:20:08,750 --> 01:20:09,500
bit easier, uh, you

2519
01:20:09,500 --> 01:20:10,851
d have some

2520
01:20:10,851 --> 01:20:13,755
breaks in the traffic at least.

2521
01:20:13,755 --> 01:20:15,857
Um, and I wish that there was

2522
01:20:15,857 --> 01:20:16,230
better access to Oakdown. I

2523
01:20:16,230 --> 01:20:16,691
don

2524
01:20:16,691 --> 01:20:19,910
t believe that anybody

2525
01:20:19,127 --> 01:20:21,396
using that. Um, shopping center

2526
01:20:21,396 --> 01:20:22,664
is gonna go through the

2527
01:20:22,664 --> 01:20:25,664
apartment complex and out to

2528
01:20:26,468 --> 01:20:29,671
the light, um. And this is very

2529
01:20:29,671 --> 01:20:31,172
present to me, um. The, the

2530
01:20:31,172 --> 01:20:33,307
safety of our city, my daughter

2531
01:20:33,307 --> 01:20:35,910
was in a a car accident last

2532
01:20:35,910 --> 01:20:37,111
week and, um, totaled her car,

2533
01:20:37,111 --> 01:20:39,714
um, we was on Greenville

2534
01:20:39,714 --> 01:20:40,315
Boulevard, but, um, It

2535
01:20:40,315 --> 01:20:41,515
s a

2536
01:20:41,515 --> 01:20:41,616
similar sort of issue. So it

2537
01:20:41,616 --> 01:20:43,616
s

2538
01:20:44,485 --> 01:20:46,320
just very presents to me, uh,

2539
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:47,855
sitting here in this chair

2540
01:20:47,855 --> 01:20:48,490
today cause I know how

2541
01:20:48,490 --> 01:20:48,723
dangerous it is, and I don

2542
01:20:48,723 --> 01:20:50,723
t

2543
01:20:50,759 --> 01:20:50,858
want to put anybody else

2544
01:20:50,858 --> 01:20:52,193
s

2545
01:20:52,193 --> 01:20:54,280
child at risk, um, driving up

2546
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:54,595
and down that road. So I, and I

2547
01:20:54,595 --> 01:20:55,763
just don

2548
01:20:55,763 --> 01:20:57,763
t have enough

2549
01:20:58,633 --> 01:20:59,467
information today to make Um,

2550
01:20:59,467 --> 01:21:02,467
an educated decision about this.

2551
01:21:03,138 --> 01:21:04,139
i really Um, with all respect

2552
01:21:04,139 --> 01:21:07,410
to you, council member in

2553
01:21:07,410 --> 01:21:08,576
Blackburn. I, I would like to

2554
01:21:08,576 --> 01:21:09,310
see us table this uh so that we

2555
01:21:09,310 --> 01:21:12,310
have the opportunity to learn

2556
01:21:12,481 --> 01:21:13,848
more about it. That possibility,

2557
01:21:13,848 --> 01:21:15,249
Councilors, what, what

2558
01:21:15,249 --> 01:21:15,516
information would you like to,

2559
01:21:15,516 --> 01:21:17,218
you don

2560
01:21:17,218 --> 01:21:19,530
t have I would like to

2561
01:21:19,530 --> 01:21:20,622
learn more about the setup of

2562
01:21:20,622 --> 01:21:21,622
the of the business and what

2563
01:21:21,622 --> 01:21:21,790
the site plan looks like if

2564
01:21:21,790 --> 01:21:23,790
it

2565
01:21:24,910 --> 01:21:25,993
s legal for me to have that

2566
01:21:25,993 --> 01:21:27,329
information, um, and I would

2567
01:21:27,329 --> 01:21:28,930
like to know more about the

2568
01:21:28,930 --> 01:21:30,298
setup of the streetscape in the

2569
01:21:30,298 --> 01:21:32,968
apartment complex. What is the

2570
01:21:32,968 --> 01:21:34,870
access like to Oaktown Way from

2571
01:21:34,870 --> 01:21:35,360
that. I would like to know if

2572
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:37,360
we

2573
01:21:37,405 --> 01:21:40,405
re following. Um The ideas

2574
01:21:41,910 --> 01:21:42,778
set up. That we have setbacks

2575
01:21:42,778 --> 01:21:43,778
created and Backstreets to

2576
01:21:43,778 --> 01:21:44,712
allow for traffic to go from

2577
01:21:44,712 --> 01:21:45,647
one place to the other without

2578
01:21:45,647 --> 01:21:47,249
having to go on to the main

2579
01:21:47,249 --> 01:21:49,649
thoroughfare. Um, they just

2580
01:21:49,818 --> 01:21:50,852
have a lot of questions, um, I

2581
01:21:50,852 --> 01:21:51,720
also want to know more about

2582
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:54,589
the trees that are there. I was

2583
01:21:54,589 --> 01:21:56,558
out there today at 11:30 A.M.

2584
01:21:56,558 --> 01:21:57,926
The traffic was very busy, um,

2585
01:21:57,926 --> 01:22:00,996
I had a hard time getting in

2586
01:22:00,996 --> 01:22:01,996
and out, um, to evolve way, um,

2587
01:22:01,996 --> 01:22:02,330
and when I got onto the

2588
01:22:02,330 --> 01:22:03,665
property, it

2589
01:22:03,665 --> 01:22:04,733
s a beautiful

2590
01:22:04,733 --> 01:22:04,833
piece of property. It

2591
01:22:04,833 --> 01:22:06,434
s

2592
01:22:06,434 --> 01:22:08,690
sandwiched in between that

2593
01:22:08,690 --> 01:22:08,235
giant apartment complex, but

2594
01:22:08,235 --> 01:22:09,170
it

2595
01:22:09,170 --> 01:22:09,704
s gorgeous. There

2596
01:22:09,704 --> 01:22:11,704
s really

2597
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:13,442
nice grove of cedar trees that

2598
01:22:13,442 --> 01:22:16,544
are very old, um, that we need

2599
01:22:16,544 --> 01:22:18,580
to learn about, um, and I I

2600
01:22:18,580 --> 01:22:19,815
would hate that our city loses

2601
01:22:19,815 --> 01:22:20,381
one more, uh, beautiful place.

2602
01:22:20,381 --> 01:22:20,882
And I don

2603
01:22:20,882 --> 01:22:21,283
t know that it

2604
01:22:21,283 --> 01:22:22,684
s

2605
01:22:22,684 --> 01:22:24,619
possible to save it, but could

2606
01:22:24,619 --> 01:22:26,187
we work with the developer in

2607
01:22:26,187 --> 01:22:27,722
order to try to, to save some

2608
01:22:27,722 --> 01:22:30,125
of that growth, some of those

2609
01:22:30,125 --> 01:22:32,127
trees, um, are there ways For

2610
01:22:32,127 --> 01:22:35,430
us to, to work with them, uh,

2611
01:22:35,430 --> 01:22:36,198
to develop in a more

2612
01:22:36,198 --> 01:22:37,632
sustainable way, um, so I just

2613
01:22:37,632 --> 01:22:39,434
have a lot of questions and,

2614
01:22:39,434 --> 01:22:41,136
and, and, and again, I would

2615
01:22:41,136 --> 01:22:42,303
remind council that, um, What

2616
01:22:42,303 --> 01:22:43,500
would, what would the situation

2617
01:22:43,500 --> 01:22:44,806
would be if we did not have a

2618
01:22:44,806 --> 01:22:47,342
site plan. Sitting in front of

2619
01:22:47,342 --> 01:22:48,676
us right now, which is 90 99%

2620
01:22:48,676 --> 01:22:49,277
of the annex sessions that we

2621
01:22:49,277 --> 01:22:49,711
have, we don

2622
01:22:49,711 --> 01:22:52,111
t have not gotten

2623
01:22:52,380 --> 01:22:52,814
to that point yet. So we

2624
01:22:52,814 --> 01:22:53,810
re, I

2625
01:22:53,810 --> 01:22:53,348
think we

2626
01:22:53,348 --> 01:22:53,915
re, we

2627
01:22:53,915 --> 01:22:54,782
re, we

2628
01:22:54,782 --> 01:22:55,383
re

2629
01:22:55,383 --> 01:22:56,510
treating this one different

2630
01:22:56,510 --> 01:22:58,153
because just because it has a

2631
01:22:58,153 --> 01:22:59,921
sighting. Well, no, no, I mean,

2632
01:22:59,921 --> 01:23:01,355
again I go back to, sir, with

2633
01:23:01,355 --> 01:23:02,890
all due respect, I believe it

2634
01:23:02,890 --> 01:23:03,825
is different because it is a, a

2635
01:23:03,825 --> 01:23:04,926
very busy road. It

2636
01:23:04,926 --> 01:23:05,327
s on a blind

2637
01:23:05,327 --> 01:23:07,195
curve and it

2638
01:23:07,195 --> 01:23:08,397
s in front of a

2639
01:23:08,397 --> 01:23:10,797
brand new massive apartment

2640
01:23:11,165 --> 01:23:12,233
complex. I, I think it does

2641
01:23:12,233 --> 01:23:13,340
demand special attention

2642
01:23:13,340 --> 01:23:16,404
because of the, the, the danger

2643
01:23:16,404 --> 01:23:18,306
it. You know, poses towards my

2644
01:23:18,306 --> 01:23:19,241
constituents in District 4. How

2645
01:23:19,241 --> 01:23:19,774
would that decision be

2646
01:23:19,774 --> 01:23:19,908
different if there wasn

2647
01:23:19,908 --> 01:23:21,908
t a

2648
01:23:23,411 --> 01:23:23,645
site plan. But for me, it

2649
01:23:23,645 --> 01:23:25,645
wouldn

2650
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:26,881
t be different, um, and

2651
01:23:26,881 --> 01:23:28,316
i know that there

2652
01:23:28,316 --> 01:23:29,117
s the thought

2653
01:23:29,117 --> 01:23:31,219
process of stifling development,

2654
01:23:31,219 --> 01:23:32,587
um, I, I, I don

2655
01:23:32,587 --> 01:23:34,550
t see it as

2656
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:35,456
much as stifling development. I

2657
01:23:35,456 --> 01:23:36,591
think that for years our

2658
01:23:36,591 --> 01:23:38,991
council has been weighted

2659
01:23:39,327 --> 01:23:41,362
towards development. Often at

2660
01:23:41,362 --> 01:23:42,930
the expense of the day to day

2661
01:23:42,930 --> 01:23:44,666
lived experience of of of

2662
01:23:44,666 --> 01:23:47,350
citizens and so for me it goes

2663
01:23:47,350 --> 01:23:48,903
back to us needing to set some

2664
01:23:48,903 --> 01:23:51,706
standards for our community, um,

2665
01:23:51,706 --> 01:23:53,942
that are balanced. With the

2666
01:23:53,942 --> 01:23:55,943
growth and development that we

2667
01:23:55,943 --> 01:23:56,945
all desire, um, with the day to

2668
01:23:56,945 --> 01:23:57,912
day lived experience and

2669
01:23:57,912 --> 01:24:00,848
quality of life of our citizens.

2670
01:24:00,848 --> 01:24:01,160
Um, so for me it wouldn

2671
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:02,517
t be

2672
01:24:02,517 --> 01:24:02,851
that much different. And I

2673
01:24:02,851 --> 01:24:04,218
d

2674
01:24:04,218 --> 01:24:06,588
like to address something that

2675
01:24:06,588 --> 01:24:07,922
perennially comes up. People

2676
01:24:07,922 --> 01:24:08,123
being against development.

2677
01:24:08,123 --> 01:24:09,324
That

2678
01:24:09,324 --> 01:24:11,260
s a broad statement that

2679
01:24:11,260 --> 01:24:12,594
is absolutely untrue. As

2680
01:24:12,594 --> 01:24:13,928
council member Foreman just

2681
01:24:13,928 --> 01:24:16,197
said, we are, we all want to

2682
01:24:16,197 --> 01:24:18,990
see our city grow. We want to

2683
01:24:18,990 --> 01:24:19,670
see it grow in responsible ways,

2684
01:24:19,670 --> 01:24:19,567
and when you don

2685
01:24:19,567 --> 01:24:20,168
t have

2686
01:24:20,168 --> 01:24:20,402
infrastructure in place and

2687
01:24:20,402 --> 01:24:21,350
when it

2688
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:23,350
s. When it

2689
01:24:24,739 --> 01:24:25,674
s already a

2690
01:24:25,674 --> 01:24:25,841
demonstratedly dangerous area.

2691
01:24:25,841 --> 01:24:26,674
You

2692
01:24:26,674 --> 01:24:27,942
re adding more stuff to it

2693
01:24:27,942 --> 01:24:28,710
and as council member Scully

2694
01:24:28,710 --> 01:24:29,544
said, you

2695
01:24:29,544 --> 01:24:30,646
ve got this very,

2696
01:24:30,646 --> 01:24:33,460
very large apartment complex

2697
01:24:34,249 --> 01:24:35,150
taking shape. Until there are

2698
01:24:35,150 --> 01:24:35,983
some improvements. We

2699
01:24:35,983 --> 01:24:37,619
re not

2700
01:24:37,619 --> 01:24:39,854
saying no development ever, no

2701
01:24:39,854 --> 01:24:41,490
commercial, uh, activity ever,

2702
01:24:41,490 --> 01:24:42,757
but until we have that

2703
01:24:42,757 --> 01:24:44,560
infrastructure that should have

2704
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:47,529
been in place 10 years ago.

2705
01:24:47,529 --> 01:24:47,695
Until we have that in place,

2706
01:24:47,695 --> 01:24:48,964
it

2707
01:24:48,964 --> 01:24:50,432
s just irresponsible and

2708
01:24:50,432 --> 01:24:53,432
reckless to move forward with

2709
01:24:53,602 --> 01:24:56,200
more commercial activity. MR.

2710
01:24:57,439 --> 01:25:00,410
Attorney, um, just a question.

2711
01:25:00,410 --> 01:25:02,210
Uh, by denying the request,

2712
01:25:02,210 --> 01:25:05,481
does that put the city in an

2713
01:25:05,481 --> 01:25:06,448
adverse position legally. Again,

2714
01:25:06,448 --> 01:25:06,915
I think it

2715
01:25:06,915 --> 01:25:08,149
s the legislative

2716
01:25:08,149 --> 01:25:08,616
position, uh, it

2717
01:25:08,616 --> 01:25:09,451
s legislative

2718
01:25:09,451 --> 01:25:09,684
decision. I don

2719
01:25:09,684 --> 01:25:09,918
t think it

2720
01:25:09,918 --> 01:25:11,820
s

2721
01:25:11,820 --> 01:25:12,454
adverse. It

2722
01:25:12,454 --> 01:25:13,388
s it for the

2723
01:25:13,388 --> 01:25:16,388
jurisdiction of the council to

2724
01:25:16,958 --> 01:25:17,125
make that, that call. Um I

2725
01:25:17,125 --> 01:25:17,859
don

2726
01:25:17,859 --> 01:25:18,293
t, I don

2727
01:25:18,293 --> 01:25:19,328
t know what

2728
01:25:19,328 --> 01:25:20,595
options the developer would

2729
01:25:20,595 --> 01:25:20,762
have if it is denied. I think

2730
01:25:20,762 --> 01:25:22,762
it

2731
01:25:23,398 --> 01:25:24,166
s in the etj and They, they

2732
01:25:24,166 --> 01:25:26,534
would have maybe problems

2733
01:25:26,534 --> 01:25:26,968
getting sore, but um. Because

2734
01:25:26,968 --> 01:25:27,903
essentially they

2735
01:25:27,903 --> 01:25:28,770
ve gone

2736
01:25:28,770 --> 01:25:31,170
through the entire process,

2737
01:25:31,806 --> 01:25:34,576
they paid. I guess probably

2738
01:25:34,576 --> 01:25:34,776
lots of money for due diligence.

2739
01:25:34,776 --> 01:25:35,810
They

2740
01:25:35,810 --> 01:25:36,411
ve probably done

2741
01:25:36,411 --> 01:25:36,512
environmental studies, they

2742
01:25:36,512 --> 01:25:38,512
ve

2743
01:25:39,414 --> 01:25:39,515
done a plat. And then they

2744
01:25:39,515 --> 01:25:41,515
ve

2745
01:25:41,883 --> 01:25:42,717
come to the city. For

2746
01:25:42,717 --> 01:25:45,621
annexation and if the city

2747
01:25:45,621 --> 01:25:46,388
denies it. They essentially

2748
01:25:46,388 --> 01:25:48,390
cannot move forward. I know, I

2749
01:25:48,390 --> 01:25:48,590
think our planner had said that

2750
01:25:48,590 --> 01:25:49,570
there

2751
01:25:49,570 --> 01:25:49,258
s a possibility that

2752
01:25:49,258 --> 01:25:50,292
there

2753
01:25:50,292 --> 01:25:53,270
s a way that they could

2754
01:25:53,270 --> 01:25:54,129
still move forward with it. So

2755
01:25:54,129 --> 01:25:54,245
in your opinion, you don

2756
01:25:54,245 --> 01:25:55,931
t

2757
01:25:55,931 --> 01:25:58,433
think that would put the city

2758
01:25:58,433 --> 01:25:59,534
in a adverse position. I would

2759
01:25:59,534 --> 01:26:00,501
need to research that Mayor,

2760
01:26:00,501 --> 01:26:00,836
but uh it

2761
01:26:00,836 --> 01:26:01,170
s a legislative

2762
01:26:01,170 --> 01:26:01,837
decision. It

2763
01:26:01,837 --> 01:26:02,904
s in the

2764
01:26:02,904 --> 01:26:04,906
jurisdiction of the council to

2765
01:26:04,906 --> 01:26:06,775
make the call here, um. You

2766
01:26:06,775 --> 01:26:07,876
know, I do know, um, council

2767
01:26:07,876 --> 01:26:09,344
member Scully asks for a motion

2768
01:26:09,344 --> 01:26:10,879
to table, so that

2769
01:26:10,879 --> 01:26:11,120
s something

2770
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:11,980
y

2771
01:26:11,980 --> 01:26:13,882
all need to on the floor. So

2772
01:26:13,882 --> 01:26:14,216
it was a recommendation. You

2773
01:26:14,216 --> 01:26:14,983
know, there

2774
01:26:14,983 --> 01:26:16,751
s a, the main

2775
01:26:16,751 --> 01:26:17,352
motion on the floor is to deny

2776
01:26:17,352 --> 01:26:18,353
and if you

2777
01:26:18,353 --> 01:26:19,421
re making a motion

2778
01:26:19,421 --> 01:26:22,230
to table or really a motion to

2779
01:26:22,230 --> 01:26:24,423
postpone. That would take

2780
01:26:24,459 --> 01:26:25,494
precedence, but is that Is

2781
01:26:25,494 --> 01:26:26,428
there a second, you need to, a

2782
01:26:26,428 --> 01:26:27,462
point of order, Mayor. I think

2783
01:26:27,462 --> 01:26:27,763
you MAY want to see if there

2784
01:26:27,763 --> 01:26:29,763
s

2785
01:26:31,666 --> 01:26:32,634
a second to that. Is there a

2786
01:26:32,634 --> 01:26:34,703
second motion to I would like

2787
01:26:34,703 --> 01:26:38,903
to make a motion to postpone. I

2788
01:26:39,241 --> 01:26:39,742
second. All right. So there

2789
01:26:39,742 --> 01:26:41,742
s a

2790
01:26:43,450 --> 01:26:43,712
motion made by Councilor Scully,

2791
01:26:43,712 --> 01:26:44,746
seconded by council member,

2792
01:26:44,746 --> 01:26:44,846
when we, I mean, you

2793
01:26:44,846 --> 01:26:46,846
re

2794
01:26:47,583 --> 01:26:49,551
postponing to what? To next

2795
01:26:49,551 --> 01:26:52,387
month and to what date would

2796
01:26:52,387 --> 01:26:53,388
you like this? Next month would

2797
01:26:53,388 --> 01:26:54,790
be would be clarification, that

2798
01:26:54,790 --> 01:26:57,920
was the main motion to deny it,

2799
01:26:57,920 --> 01:26:58,994
but under Robert rules, a

2800
01:26:58,994 --> 01:26:59,528
motion to postpone this takes

2801
01:26:59,528 --> 01:26:59,761
precedence and they that

2802
01:26:59,761 --> 01:27:00,280
s in

2803
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:01,596
you all

2804
01:27:01,596 --> 01:27:03,865
s jurisdiction, so. Yes,

2805
01:27:03,865 --> 01:27:06,340
sir. Thank you. All right, um,

2806
01:27:06,340 --> 01:27:08,904
as far as clarification. City

2807
01:27:08,904 --> 01:27:10,500
staff, do you need any

2808
01:27:10,500 --> 01:27:12,405
clarification of what material

2809
01:27:13,942 --> 01:27:14,942
that you need or what

2810
01:27:14,942 --> 01:27:15,710
additional information, uh, the

2811
01:27:15,710 --> 01:27:17,212
attorney can take care of the

2812
01:27:17,212 --> 01:27:19,581
legal side, but what additional

2813
01:27:19,581 --> 01:27:21,830
information would you like? I

2814
01:27:21,830 --> 01:27:21,483
would like to know more about

2815
01:27:21,483 --> 01:27:23,483
those trees. I

2816
01:27:23,985 --> 01:27:26,385
d like to know.

2817
01:27:26,955 --> 01:27:27,956
If any plans are made to put

2818
01:27:27,956 --> 01:27:29,324
delineators or median on 10th

2819
01:27:29,324 --> 01:27:31,260
Street. I

2820
01:27:31,260 --> 01:27:32,761
d like to know. More

2821
01:27:32,761 --> 01:27:34,563
about the infrastructure, the

2822
01:27:34,563 --> 01:27:35,664
apartment complex and access to

2823
01:27:35,664 --> 01:27:38,664
Oaktown Way from the commercial

2824
01:27:43,104 --> 01:27:45,504
site. Everything else? Thank

2825
01:27:46,208 --> 01:27:47,676
you very much. All right. Any

2826
01:27:47,676 --> 01:27:50,780
other discussion before we take

2827
01:27:50,780 --> 01:27:53,150
a vote on the motion? Yes, I, I

2828
01:27:53,150 --> 01:27:53,649
have a comment. I really

2829
01:27:53,649 --> 01:27:54,917
appreciate the thoughtfulness

2830
01:27:54,917 --> 01:27:56,851
that Council member Scully has

2831
01:27:56,851 --> 01:27:57,952
brought to this conversation

2832
01:27:57,952 --> 01:27:59,521
and understand that, uh,

2833
01:27:59,521 --> 01:28:00,422
because I feel very strongly

2834
01:28:00,422 --> 01:28:00,722
about wanting to deny this, I

2835
01:28:00,722 --> 01:28:01,790
m

2836
01:28:01,790 --> 01:28:02,725
going to go ahead and vote

2837
01:28:02,725 --> 01:28:03,925
against the motion to table,

2838
01:28:03,925 --> 01:28:04,593
but I appreciate the

2839
01:28:04,593 --> 01:28:06,762
thoughtfulness that you brought.

2840
01:28:06,762 --> 01:28:09,564
To raising that as an option

2841
01:28:09,564 --> 01:28:12,564
for us. Ok. Any other

2842
01:28:14,536 --> 01:28:18,136
discussion. I get a show of

2843
01:28:18,774 --> 01:28:20,108
hands, me. As far as The boat,

2844
01:28:20,108 --> 01:28:21,710
yeah. Yeah, I can do that, yeah,

2845
01:28:21,710 --> 01:28:24,710
absolutely. All right, so all

2846
01:28:24,847 --> 01:28:26,315
those in favor. Of tabling this

2847
01:28:26,315 --> 01:28:28,350
we said the next next month, is

2848
01:28:28,350 --> 01:28:31,950
that correct? Mhm. Yes, sir. Do

2849
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:34,723
we have a specific date? So,

2850
01:28:34,723 --> 01:28:35,958
the Thursday, yes, hold on.

2851
01:28:35,958 --> 01:28:36,191
Just for the applicant

2852
01:28:36,191 --> 01:28:37,159
s

2853
01:28:37,159 --> 01:28:39,628
purpose so they know and

2854
01:28:39,628 --> 01:28:41,620
anybody else. APRIL 10th. APRIL

2855
01:28:41,620 --> 01:28:42,630
10th and just to clarify the

2856
01:28:42,630 --> 01:28:45,340
public hearing has been closed,

2857
01:28:45,340 --> 01:28:46,768
this would be just simply for a

2858
01:28:46,768 --> 01:28:48,604
discussion and a vote. Ok. All

2859
01:28:48,604 --> 01:28:51,604
right, all those in favor

2860
01:28:53,742 --> 01:28:56,742
please raise your hand. Ok.

2861
01:28:58,130 --> 01:29:01,130
Those opposed, raise your hand.

2862
01:29:03,719 --> 01:29:07,919
And I am in favor. Ok. So,

2863
01:29:09,224 --> 01:29:09,925
Motion passes. 43. All right.

2864
01:29:09,925 --> 01:29:11,693
Move on to the next public

2865
01:29:11,693 --> 01:29:13,280
hearing. Thank you, Mayor. Item

2866
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:14,964
number 12 ordinance to annex

2867
01:29:14,964 --> 01:29:17,964
the enclave, phase one property

2868
01:29:18,834 --> 01:29:20,302
involving a total of 10.5683

2869
01:29:20,302 --> 01:29:22,338
acres located at 520 plus or

2870
01:29:22,338 --> 01:29:23,772
minus feet west of lt Hardy

2871
01:29:23,772 --> 01:29:27,243
Road and south of the northern

2872
01:29:27,243 --> 01:29:28,778
Suffolk. The Norfolk Southern

2873
01:29:28,778 --> 01:29:29,644
Railroad call forward or uh

2874
01:29:29,644 --> 01:29:32,644
city planner, Chris Kelly for

2875
01:29:33,982 --> 01:29:35,350
the presentation. This property

2876
01:29:35,350 --> 01:29:37,653
is located in the eastern part

2877
01:29:37,653 --> 01:29:39,588
of the city, more specifically,

2878
01:29:39,588 --> 01:29:42,524
this property is located 520 ft

2879
01:29:42,524 --> 01:29:44,559
west of lt Hardy Road. And

2880
01:29:44,559 --> 01:29:45,727
south of the Norfolk Southern

2881
01:29:45,727 --> 01:29:46,428
Railroad, uh, just added

2882
01:29:46,428 --> 01:29:49,298
reference north this is Walmart.

2883
01:29:49,298 --> 01:29:50,733
This property is located in the

2884
01:29:50,733 --> 01:29:52,635
Hardy Creek watershed, and if

2885
01:29:52,635 --> 01:29:54,102
stormwater rules apply, it

2886
01:29:54,102 --> 01:29:56,380
would require 10-year detention,

2887
01:29:56,380 --> 01:29:57,105
the property is also located in

2888
01:29:57,105 --> 01:29:59,507
primary service aerial and I

2889
01:29:59,507 --> 01:30:00,142
growth map will be located in

2890
01:30:00,142 --> 01:30:02,542
City council voting district

2891
01:30:03,245 --> 01:30:04,412
number 4. This property is

2892
01:30:04,412 --> 01:30:05,681
anticipated to yield 40

2893
01:30:05,681 --> 01:30:07,683
multi-family units with an

2894
01:30:07,683 --> 01:30:08,170
estimated tax value of $11

2895
01:30:08,170 --> 01:30:08,483
million. I

2896
01:30:08,483 --> 01:30:09,151
d be happy to answer

2897
01:30:09,151 --> 01:30:12,151
any questions. All right, any

2898
01:30:18,527 --> 01:30:19,795
questions for MR. Kelly? See

2899
01:30:19,795 --> 01:30:20,596
none public hearings now open.

2900
01:30:20,596 --> 01:30:21,229
Those speak on behalf of the

2901
01:30:21,229 --> 01:30:21,897
applicant MAY come forward.

2902
01:30:21,897 --> 01:30:23,832
Please state your name for the

2903
01:30:23,832 --> 01:30:25,935
record. The first person has 10

2904
01:30:25,935 --> 01:30:28,335
minutes. All others have 3

2905
01:30:44,186 --> 01:30:44,820
minutes. See none. Those in

2906
01:30:44,820 --> 01:30:45,520
opposition to the African MAY

2907
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:46,722
come forward, please state your

2908
01:30:46,722 --> 01:30:48,724
name for the record. First

2909
01:30:48,724 --> 01:30:51,124
person has 10 minutes, all

2910
01:31:06,108 --> 01:31:06,213
others have 3 minutes. I ain

2911
01:31:06,213 --> 01:31:07,409
t

2912
01:31:07,409 --> 01:31:07,942
seen none. The public hearings

2913
01:31:07,942 --> 01:31:08,844
now closed. I

2914
01:31:08,844 --> 01:31:09,511
m for board

2915
01:31:09,511 --> 01:31:11,911
discussion our motion to

2916
01:31:13,282 --> 01:31:14,349
approve. I have some questions.

2917
01:31:14,349 --> 01:31:14,483
Is there a is there a second?

2918
01:31:14,483 --> 01:31:16,483
I

2919
01:31:16,585 --> 01:31:18,320
d be happy to go ahead. Is

2920
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:18,554
there a second. All right,

2921
01:31:18,554 --> 01:31:19,855
motion

2922
01:31:19,855 --> 01:31:20,990
s been made by council

2923
01:31:20,990 --> 01:31:21,991
member Robinson seconded by

2924
01:31:21,991 --> 01:31:23,592
Councilor Scully. Councillor

2925
01:31:23,592 --> 01:31:24,793
Mayor Blackburn, uh, yes, I

2926
01:31:24,793 --> 01:31:27,793
have some questions and this,

2927
01:31:27,863 --> 01:31:29,865
uh. Annexation raises some of

2928
01:31:29,865 --> 01:31:31,266
the same issues, although

2929
01:31:31,266 --> 01:31:33,336
perhaps not as acutely. Um, is

2930
01:31:33,336 --> 01:31:35,237
it possible to get a view, uh,

2931
01:31:35,237 --> 01:31:35,838
going back that kind of shows

2932
01:31:35,838 --> 01:31:37,239
the area. I know we

2933
01:31:37,239 --> 01:31:39,107
ve got, you

2934
01:31:39,107 --> 01:31:40,760
know, Elsie Hardy, but is it

2935
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:40,175
possible to get, uh, I don

2936
01:31:40,175 --> 01:31:41,110
t

2937
01:31:41,110 --> 01:31:42,578
know, just almost like a Google

2938
01:31:42,578 --> 01:31:46,778
map view. This is the same area.

2939
01:31:49,184 --> 01:31:49,286
And, um, This is where we

2940
01:31:49,286 --> 01:31:51,286
ve

2941
01:31:53,689 --> 01:31:56,890
had, um, Rezonings, rezoning

2942
01:31:56,358 --> 01:31:57,459
requests and, um, a lot of

2943
01:31:57,459 --> 01:31:58,294
opposition because, again, the

2944
01:31:58,294 --> 01:32:00,396
infrastructure is just not in

2945
01:32:00,396 --> 01:32:00,496
place. Where will, if you don

2946
01:32:00,496 --> 01:32:02,496
t

2947
01:32:02,698 --> 01:32:05,300
mind, uh, MR. Kelly, where will

2948
01:32:05,300 --> 01:32:05,968
the entrance and exit for this,

2949
01:32:05,968 --> 01:32:07,469
uh, development be. Is that

2950
01:32:07,469 --> 01:32:07,636
gonna be on lt Hardy Road? Yes,

2951
01:32:07,636 --> 01:32:09,636
ma

2952
01:32:11,507 --> 01:32:12,908
am. When we did this

2953
01:32:12,908 --> 01:32:14,430
Previously, ok, we did the

2954
01:32:14,430 --> 01:32:15,444
rezoning. This is the

2955
01:32:15,444 --> 01:32:15,911
annexation. Ok, all right, so

2956
01:32:15,911 --> 01:32:16,378
we, it

2957
01:32:16,378 --> 01:32:17,946
s already been rezoned

2958
01:32:17,946 --> 01:32:19,470
and I, which I did not support,

2959
01:32:19,470 --> 01:32:20,148
so this is the next step for

2960
01:32:20,148 --> 01:32:22,148
this. Yes, ma

2961
01:32:24,753 --> 01:32:24,954
am. And so

2962
01:32:24,954 --> 01:32:25,454
they

2963
01:32:25,454 --> 01:32:26,722
re requesting annexation

2964
01:32:26,722 --> 01:32:26,888
so they can have sewer. Yes,

2965
01:32:26,888 --> 01:32:28,888
ma

2966
01:32:32,428 --> 01:32:33,595
am. Um 10 acres, about how

2967
01:32:33,595 --> 01:32:34,329
many can you tell me about how

2968
01:32:34,329 --> 01:32:37,699
many units are gonna be on this

2969
01:32:37,699 --> 01:32:39,601
property? Uh, phase one will

2970
01:32:39,601 --> 01:32:40,502
include 40 multi-family units.

2971
01:32:40,502 --> 01:32:42,400
And about how many, in other

2972
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:43,138
words, about how many, have any

2973
01:32:43,138 --> 01:32:44,940
idea how many people, how many

2974
01:32:44,940 --> 01:32:47,676
trips, that kind of thing. I

2975
01:32:47,676 --> 01:32:49,545
know, traffic wise, no man, but

2976
01:32:49,545 --> 01:32:51,945
people calculated at 87 number

2977
01:32:53,282 --> 01:32:56,882
of people. 87 people. A lot, a

2978
01:32:56,986 --> 01:33:00,155
lot of These are, um Do, are

2979
01:33:00,155 --> 01:33:00,322
these the townhouses? Um Yes,

2980
01:33:00,322 --> 01:33:02,322
ma

2981
01:33:04,126 --> 01:33:06,595
am. Yeah. Ok. Ok, ok. So a

2982
01:33:06,595 --> 01:33:09,432
little bit less intensive. Then

2983
01:33:09,432 --> 01:33:09,531
uh say a multifamily. It, it

2984
01:33:09,531 --> 01:33:11,334
s

2985
01:33:11,334 --> 01:33:13,435
still multifamily. Right, but

2986
01:33:13,435 --> 01:33:15,204
not like the, uh, the Louis and

2987
01:33:15,204 --> 01:33:17,206
the 3, the 3 to an apartment

2988
01:33:17,206 --> 01:33:19,175
kind of thing. I, if I remember

2989
01:33:19,175 --> 01:33:21,510
when the rezoning came up. They

2990
01:33:21,510 --> 01:33:22,210
have the cars can stay, uh, or

2991
01:33:22,210 --> 01:33:25,181
can be parked underneath that

2992
01:33:25,181 --> 01:33:25,548
kind of thing there. I don

2993
01:33:25,548 --> 01:33:26,515
t

2994
01:33:26,515 --> 01:33:27,783
know exactly. I don

2995
01:33:27,783 --> 01:33:29,783
t know. Ok,

2996
01:33:30,452 --> 01:33:31,987
all right. Thank you. Um, Chris,

2997
01:33:31,987 --> 01:33:33,656
I have a question. You

2998
01:33:33,656 --> 01:33:33,856
mentioned that, um, we don

2999
01:33:33,856 --> 01:33:34,690
t

3000
01:33:34,690 --> 01:33:35,791
know the increased number of

3001
01:33:35,791 --> 01:33:35,958
trips. Is there a reason why we

3002
01:33:35,958 --> 01:33:37,293
don

3003
01:33:37,293 --> 01:33:40,893
t know for this one when

3004
01:33:41,230 --> 01:33:42,732
not in others, we do know the

3005
01:33:42,732 --> 01:33:44,990
increased number of traffic

3006
01:33:44,990 --> 01:33:44,900
from traffic engineering during

3007
01:33:44,900 --> 01:33:45,601
the rezoning before the

3008
01:33:45,601 --> 01:33:46,168
annexation. No, ma

3009
01:33:46,168 --> 01:33:48,168
am. Ok, got

3010
01:33:50,739 --> 01:33:53,742
you. Thank you. All right, any

3011
01:33:53,742 --> 01:33:56,142
other questions or discussions?

3012
01:33:57,980 --> 01:34:02,180
Got a motion on the table. Mhm.

3013
01:34:02,384 --> 01:34:04,953
All right. Motion is to approve

3014
01:34:04,953 --> 01:34:06,540
the annexation, all those in

3015
01:34:06,540 --> 01:34:09,654
favor say a those opposed say

3016
01:34:10,993 --> 01:34:11,930
nay. Oh Oh that was a, I

3017
01:34:11,930 --> 01:34:12,495
m

3018
01:34:12,495 --> 01:34:13,620
really torn. I

3019
01:34:13,620 --> 01:34:13,996
m really torn

3020
01:34:13,996 --> 01:34:14,997
because I have the same concern.

3021
01:34:14,997 --> 01:34:17,232
Well, we gotta, we gotta, we

3022
01:34:17,232 --> 01:34:19,735
gotta be yes or no right now. I

3023
01:34:19,735 --> 01:34:19,935
have the same concerns, but, um,

3024
01:34:19,935 --> 01:34:21,637
they

3025
01:34:21,637 --> 01:34:23,572
re slightly different. So,

3026
01:34:23,572 --> 01:34:25,400
um, and we, for the record, we

3027
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:27,760
do, uh, appreciate the

3028
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:27,277
increased tax base, and I think

3029
01:34:27,277 --> 01:34:27,944
that

3030
01:34:27,944 --> 01:34:29,345
s important for

3031
01:34:29,345 --> 01:34:30,513
development of this size, they

3032
01:34:30,513 --> 01:34:32,782
do need to work immediately

3033
01:34:32,782 --> 01:34:33,916
because I know the construction

3034
01:34:33,916 --> 01:34:35,250
is already taking place. The

3035
01:34:35,250 --> 01:34:35,584
clerk needs a yay or nay.

3036
01:34:35,584 --> 01:34:37,553
Otherwise it

3037
01:34:37,553 --> 01:34:39,953
s going to be 60.

3038
01:34:40,220 --> 01:34:40,789
So I will, I will vote to

3039
01:34:40,789 --> 01:34:42,725
approve this motion passes 6th

3040
01:34:42,725 --> 01:34:43,326
year. Thank you. Thank you.

3041
01:34:43,326 --> 01:34:44,600
Alright, we

3042
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:45,427
ll move on to the

3043
01:34:45,427 --> 01:34:48,427
next public hearing. Thank you,

3044
01:34:48,997 --> 01:34:50,566
Mayor. Item number 13 ordinance

3045
01:34:50,566 --> 01:34:53,566
to annex Langston Farms phase

3046
01:34:54,837 --> 01:34:55,972
11, Section 3 and 4a property

3047
01:34:55,972 --> 01:34:57,972
involving 10.4643 acres located

3048
01:34:58,707 --> 01:35:00,642
at the current term terminus of

3049
01:35:00,642 --> 01:35:01,611
De Meadow Drive in call forward

3050
01:35:01,611 --> 01:35:05,211
or city planner Chris Kelly for

3051
01:35:08,217 --> 01:35:09,752
the presentation. Um This

3052
01:35:09,752 --> 01:35:11,186
property is located in the

3053
01:35:11,186 --> 01:35:13,122
southwestern quadrant of the

3054
01:35:13,122 --> 01:35:14,890
city, more specifically located

3055
01:35:14,890 --> 01:35:17,193
at the current terminus of De

3056
01:35:17,193 --> 01:35:18,861
Meadow Drive. This property

3057
01:35:18,861 --> 01:35:20,496
drains to the Swift Swift Creek

3058
01:35:20,496 --> 01:35:22,498
watershed, and if stormwater

3059
01:35:22,498 --> 01:35:23,700
rules apply, will require a 25

3060
01:35:23,700 --> 01:35:25,000
year detention. This property

3061
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:26,435
is also located in the primary

3062
01:35:26,435 --> 01:35:27,903
service area on shared growth

3063
01:35:27,903 --> 01:35:28,270
map, and we, and we

3064
01:35:28,270 --> 01:35:29,405
ll be

3065
01:35:29,405 --> 01:35:31,373
located at city council ot

3066
01:35:31,373 --> 01:35:33,373
district number 2. This

3067
01:35:33,676 --> 01:35:34,743
property is anticipated to

3068
01:35:34,743 --> 01:35:36,743
yield 33 single-family lots

3069
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:40,783
with an estimated tax value of

3070
01:35:40,783 --> 01:35:41,717
$8,250,000. I

3071
01:35:41,717 --> 01:35:42,785
ll be happy to

3072
01:35:42,785 --> 01:35:45,785
answer any questions for MR.

3073
01:35:50,759 --> 01:35:52,361
Kelly? Sina, thank you very

3074
01:35:52,361 --> 01:35:53,395
much. Public hearing is now

3075
01:35:53,395 --> 01:35:54,297
open. Those who speak on behalf

3076
01:35:54,297 --> 01:35:54,964
of the African MAY come forward.

3077
01:35:54,964 --> 01:35:56,199
Please state your name for the

3078
01:35:56,199 --> 01:35:57,990
record. The first person has 10

3079
01:35:57,990 --> 01:35:59,499
minutes. All others have 3

3080
01:36:09,345 --> 01:36:10,113
minutes. See none those in

3081
01:36:10,113 --> 01:36:10,813
opposition to the outcome MAY

3082
01:36:10,813 --> 01:36:11,781
come forward. Please state your

3083
01:36:11,781 --> 01:36:13,783
name for the record. The first

3084
01:36:13,783 --> 01:36:16,183
person has 10 minutes. All

3085
01:36:27,620 --> 01:36:30,620
others have 3 minutes. See none.

3086
01:36:30,233 --> 01:36:31,267
The public hearing is now

3087
01:36:31,267 --> 01:36:33,202
closed, open for a board

3088
01:36:33,202 --> 01:36:34,136
discussion or a motion. Motion

3089
01:36:34,136 --> 01:36:34,370
to approve. Second. All right.

3090
01:36:34,370 --> 01:36:35,710
Motion

3091
01:36:35,710 --> 01:36:35,738
s been made by

3092
01:36:35,738 --> 01:36:36,606
COUNCILMAN Robinson, seconded

3093
01:36:36,606 --> 01:36:39,606
by COUNCILMAN Willis. Any other

3094
01:36:42,612 --> 01:36:45,612
discussion? All those in favor

3095
01:36:45,615 --> 01:36:46,515
say aye, as opposed say nay.

3096
01:36:46,515 --> 01:36:48,151
Motion passed 60 on to the next

3097
01:36:48,151 --> 01:36:49,719
public hearing. Thank you,

3098
01:36:49,719 --> 01:36:51,870
Mayor. Item number 14,

3099
01:36:51,870 --> 01:36:52,555
ordinance requested by Pitt

3100
01:36:52,555 --> 01:36:54,955
County City of Greenville

3101
01:36:55,900 --> 01:36:56,590
Airport Authority to rezone

3102
01:36:56,590 --> 01:36:58,394
29.719 acres located along the

3103
01:36:58,394 --> 01:37:00,290
southern right of way of the

3104
01:37:00,290 --> 01:37:01,864
Western Belbore Road in 1700

3105
01:37:01,864 --> 01:37:05,267
plus amount of feet west of

3106
01:37:05,267 --> 01:37:07,503
North Memorial Drive from ra20

3107
01:37:07,503 --> 01:37:09,439
residential agriculture are not

3108
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:11,374
as residential single family

3109
01:37:11,374 --> 01:37:13,309
and r6mh residential mobile

3110
01:37:13,309 --> 01:37:13,843
home to iu on offensive

3111
01:37:13,843 --> 01:37:14,510
industry. I

3112
01:37:14,510 --> 01:37:16,512
ll now call forward

3113
01:37:16,512 --> 01:37:17,179
our city, uh, chief planner,

3114
01:37:17,179 --> 01:37:20,179
Shanti Guy for the presentation.

3115
01:37:24,219 --> 01:37:26,255
Right. Good evening. Good

3116
01:37:26,255 --> 01:37:27,222
evening. Um, this policy is

3117
01:37:27,222 --> 01:37:29,125
located this policy. I

3118
01:37:29,125 --> 01:37:30,493
m sorry,

3119
01:37:30,493 --> 01:37:31,894
this property is located in the

3120
01:37:31,894 --> 01:37:33,429
northern section of the city.

3121
01:37:33,429 --> 01:37:33,863
Um, it

3122
01:37:33,863 --> 01:37:35,431
s more specifically

3123
01:37:35,431 --> 01:37:36,866
located, this would be North

3124
01:37:36,866 --> 01:37:38,668
Memorial Drive on your

3125
01:37:38,668 --> 01:37:39,702
right-hand side. Um, you see,

3126
01:37:39,702 --> 01:37:40,360
uh, to your left and to the

3127
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:41,704
south, that

3128
01:37:41,704 --> 01:37:43,139
s going to be the

3129
01:37:43,139 --> 01:37:45,800
airport runways, um, in the

3130
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:46,576
corner, this is the dot

3131
01:37:46,576 --> 01:37:48,976
Division 2 equipment shop. This

3132
01:37:49,245 --> 01:37:52,810
is Belvoir Road. Property is

3133
01:37:52,810 --> 01:37:52,849
shown outlined in yellow. But 2

3134
01:37:52,849 --> 01:37:53,182
stars on this cause I

3135
01:37:53,182 --> 01:37:54,384
m, I want

3136
01:37:54,384 --> 01:37:55,170
to show you two different

3137
01:37:55,170 --> 01:37:57,353
pictures and I just want to

3138
01:37:57,353 --> 01:37:59,755
give you an idea of where these

3139
01:37:59,755 --> 01:38:02,892
pictures are taken. Um, so this

3140
01:38:02,892 --> 01:38:03,259
first picture, so this is, uh,

3141
01:38:03,259 --> 01:38:04,226
the star that

3142
01:38:04,226 --> 01:38:05,261
s directly south

3143
01:38:05,261 --> 01:38:05,695
of Hop Tyson Road. So you

3144
01:38:05,695 --> 01:38:05,862
re,

3145
01:38:05,862 --> 01:38:07,130
you

3146
01:38:07,130 --> 01:38:08,731
re looking to the south.

3147
01:38:08,731 --> 01:38:11,734
That would be the airport in

3148
01:38:11,734 --> 01:38:13,235
the uh on the horizon. And then

3149
01:38:13,235 --> 01:38:14,770
this is the one closest to the

3150
01:38:14,770 --> 01:38:18,370
runway. And again, you can see

3151
01:38:18,841 --> 01:38:19,975
the airport in the horizon.

3152
01:38:19,975 --> 01:38:22,375
Total property is almost 30

3153
01:38:24,580 --> 01:38:25,882
acres. Um, some of the property

3154
01:38:25,882 --> 01:38:27,684
is located in what we would

3155
01:38:27,684 --> 01:38:29,152
call a special hazard area,

3156
01:38:29,152 --> 01:38:30,687
which is basically the blue

3157
01:38:30,687 --> 01:38:32,589
that you see. The property does

3158
01:38:32,589 --> 01:38:33,890
drain to the Parker

3159
01:38:33,890 --> 01:38:34,324
s Creek

3160
01:38:34,324 --> 01:38:36,724
watershed. If stormwater rules,

3161
01:38:38,294 --> 01:38:40,630
um, Apply, it would require

3162
01:38:40,630 --> 01:38:41,197
10-year detention, nitrogen and

3163
01:38:41,197 --> 01:38:41,397
phosphorus reduction, and

3164
01:38:41,397 --> 01:38:43,199
they

3165
01:38:43,199 --> 01:38:43,767
re also MAY be

3166
01:38:43,767 --> 01:38:44,901
jurisdictional wetlands,

3167
01:38:44,901 --> 01:38:47,301
streams, and riparian buffers

3168
01:38:48,605 --> 01:38:50,973
on the property. The requested

3169
01:38:50,973 --> 01:38:52,842
zoning could generate a net

3170
01:38:52,842 --> 01:38:55,311
increase of 262 trips per day.

3171
01:38:55,311 --> 01:38:57,113
We were looking at this between,

3172
01:38:57,113 --> 01:38:57,847
um, it is currently zoned

3173
01:38:57,847 --> 01:39:00,247
residential and the industrial

3174
01:39:01,517 --> 01:39:03,860
use. So under its current

3175
01:39:03,860 --> 01:39:05,455
zoning, the property could

3176
01:39:05,455 --> 01:39:06,956
yield about 55 single family

3177
01:39:06,956 --> 01:39:09,792
homes and under the requested

3178
01:39:09,792 --> 01:39:11,927
zoning, it could accommodate

3179
01:39:11,927 --> 01:39:14,327
about 150,000 square feet of

3180
01:39:15,165 --> 01:39:16,733
industrial or warehouse space.

3181
01:39:16,733 --> 01:39:16,866
The future land use plan, uh,

3182
01:39:16,866 --> 01:39:17,734
I

3183
01:39:17,734 --> 01:39:20,700
m going to start here at the

3184
01:39:20,700 --> 01:39:23,670
corner, which is at Memorial in

3185
01:39:23,973 --> 01:39:25,808
Belvoir Road, um, the dot, uh,

3186
01:39:25,808 --> 01:39:26,443
equipment office that is

3187
01:39:26,443 --> 01:39:27,743
recommended for office

3188
01:39:27,743 --> 01:39:29,746
institutional. You can see how

3189
01:39:29,746 --> 01:39:31,581
that continues to the west. You

3190
01:39:31,581 --> 01:39:32,582
have a little bit on the

3191
01:39:32,582 --> 01:39:35,582
southern side of Belvoir Road

3192
01:39:35,584 --> 01:39:36,886
and then the rest is

3193
01:39:36,886 --> 01:39:39,286
recommended for industrial and

3194
01:39:41,900 --> 01:39:42,224
logistics. Um, while this

3195
01:39:42,224 --> 01:39:44,594
request is from the airport,

3196
01:39:44,594 --> 01:39:46,429
the city and the county do have

3197
01:39:46,429 --> 01:39:48,464
control over the property. Um,

3198
01:39:48,464 --> 01:39:49,866
you MAY remember that city

3199
01:39:49,866 --> 01:39:51,234
council did ask the airport to

3200
01:39:51,234 --> 01:39:54,170
have at least one public

3201
01:39:54,170 --> 01:39:54,771
meeting at the time when you

3202
01:39:54,771 --> 01:39:56,105
authorize the rezoning

3203
01:39:56,105 --> 01:39:58,505
application, um, the airport

3204
01:39:59,410 --> 01:40:00,477
did hold two different meetings,

3205
01:40:00,477 --> 01:40:00,810
um, AUGUST 6th and NOVEMBER

3206
01:40:00,810 --> 01:40:02,120
14th. I don

3207
01:40:02,120 --> 01:40:02,579
t want to steal

3208
01:40:02,579 --> 01:40:02,746
their, their thunder. I

3209
01:40:02,746 --> 01:40:03,613
ll let

3210
01:40:03,613 --> 01:40:04,881
them tell you about their

3211
01:40:04,881 --> 01:40:06,215
meetings, but I did want to

3212
01:40:06,215 --> 01:40:08,518
remind you that you did ask

3213
01:40:08,518 --> 01:40:08,752
them to do that. Um, in staff

3214
01:40:08,752 --> 01:40:10,752
s

3215
01:40:10,887 --> 01:40:11,254
opinion, um, the requested

3216
01:40:11,254 --> 01:40:12,550
zoning isn

3217
01:40:12,550 --> 01:40:14,550
t compliance with

3218
01:40:14,457 --> 01:40:17,894
future land use plans. And the

3219
01:40:17,894 --> 01:40:19,328
horizons plan. Uh, staff

3220
01:40:19,328 --> 01:40:21,398
recommends approval and pnz at

3221
01:40:21,398 --> 01:40:22,765
their FEBRUARY 18th unanimously

3222
01:40:22,765 --> 01:40:23,766
recommended approval of the

3223
01:40:23,766 --> 01:40:24,100
request as well, and I

3224
01:40:24,100 --> 01:40:26,100
ll be

3225
01:40:26,970 --> 01:40:29,970
happy to answer any questions.

3226
01:40:32,909 --> 01:40:35,110
Any questions for MISS Gooby?

3227
01:40:35,110 --> 01:40:35,645
Thank you very much. Public

3228
01:40:35,645 --> 01:40:36,346
hearings now open. Those who

3229
01:40:36,346 --> 01:40:36,980
speak on behalf of the

3230
01:40:36,980 --> 01:40:37,647
applicant MAY come forward.

3231
01:40:37,647 --> 01:40:40,116
Please state your name for the

3232
01:40:40,116 --> 01:40:41,251
record. The first person has 10

3233
01:40:41,251 --> 01:40:43,651
minutes. All others have 3

3234
01:40:50,527 --> 01:40:52,562
minutes. Good evening. Good

3235
01:40:52,562 --> 01:40:54,562
evening. How

3236
01:40:55,499 --> 01:40:57,499
s everybody? Good

3237
01:40:57,500 --> 01:40:59,836
I need to lean one way or the

3238
01:40:59,836 --> 01:41:01,137
other. Good evening, MR. Mayor,

3239
01:41:01,137 --> 01:41:02,105
uh, council members and staff.

3240
01:41:02,105 --> 01:41:02,539
My name is Drake Brinkley. I

3241
01:41:02,539 --> 01:41:03,573
m

3242
01:41:03,573 --> 01:41:04,674
a commercial real estate

3243
01:41:04,674 --> 01:41:05,575
attorney and land use attorney

3244
01:41:05,575 --> 01:41:06,476
here in Greenville with Warden

3245
01:41:06,476 --> 01:41:07,444
Smith. I

3246
01:41:07,444 --> 01:41:09,646
m here on behalf of

3247
01:41:09,646 --> 01:41:10,846
the applicant, the Pitt County

3248
01:41:10,846 --> 01:41:12,448
Greenville Airport Authority.

3249
01:41:12,448 --> 01:41:12,849
We have a team of folks with us

3250
01:41:12,849 --> 01:41:13,817
back there. They

3251
01:41:13,817 --> 01:41:14,818
re all here to

3252
01:41:14,818 --> 01:41:15,952
answer any questions towards

3253
01:41:15,952 --> 01:41:17,687
the end that we MAY need, that

3254
01:41:17,687 --> 01:41:17,787
you MAY have, excuse me. We

3255
01:41:17,787 --> 01:41:19,255
ve

3256
01:41:19,255 --> 01:41:21,570
got Bill Hopper in the back,

3257
01:41:21,570 --> 01:41:22,492
the executive director of the

3258
01:41:22,492 --> 01:41:24,394
Airport Authority, John Banks,

3259
01:41:24,394 --> 01:41:25,995
CHAIRMAN Of the board of the

3260
01:41:25,995 --> 01:41:28,331
Airport Authority, Terry Mundy,

3261
01:41:28,331 --> 01:41:29,299
vice CHAIRMAN Of the Airport

3262
01:41:29,299 --> 01:41:31,968
Authority, Brian Foundis is on

3263
01:41:31,968 --> 01:41:32,669
the team with Art Consulting

3264
01:41:32,669 --> 01:41:34,270
principal professional engineer,

3265
01:41:34,270 --> 01:41:35,805
and the one person you MAY not

3266
01:41:35,805 --> 01:41:35,972
know is Cara Veel here. Uh,

3267
01:41:35,972 --> 01:41:37,607
she

3268
01:41:37,607 --> 01:41:38,475
s also a professional

3269
01:41:38,475 --> 01:41:38,641
engineer with McFarlane Johnson.

3270
01:41:38,641 --> 01:41:40,641
She

3271
01:41:40,677 --> 01:41:41,344
s kind of the faa expert on

3272
01:41:41,344 --> 01:41:41,812
the team. Um, I

3273
01:41:41,812 --> 01:41:43,179
m gonna speak

3274
01:41:43,179 --> 01:41:44,848
for a few minutes and then

3275
01:41:44,848 --> 01:41:46,249
Cairo will come up as well and

3276
01:41:46,249 --> 01:41:46,916
speak and if you have any

3277
01:41:46,916 --> 01:41:48,751
questions about faa, she would

3278
01:41:48,751 --> 01:41:49,986
be the one to ask those

3279
01:41:49,986 --> 01:41:50,953
questions to. But, but truly,

3280
01:41:50,953 --> 01:41:52,155
if you have any questions, any

3281
01:41:52,155 --> 01:41:54,892
of the team members are here to

3282
01:41:54,892 --> 01:41:56,460
answer those questions. Um,

3283
01:41:56,460 --> 01:41:57,460
this is a very important

3284
01:41:57,460 --> 01:41:57,660
project for our airport. If

3285
01:41:57,660 --> 01:41:58,662
there

3286
01:41:58,662 --> 01:42:00,663
s one thing I can say

3287
01:42:00,663 --> 01:42:01,231
tonight, this is an extremely

3288
01:42:01,231 --> 01:42:03,631
important project for our

3289
01:42:03,733 --> 01:42:05,134
airport. This is extremely

3290
01:42:05,134 --> 01:42:06,903
important project for economic

3291
01:42:06,903 --> 01:42:08,371
development, for wait for Pitt

3292
01:42:08,371 --> 01:42:09,305
County, Greenville, the whole

3293
01:42:09,305 --> 01:42:10,840
region. This is extremely

3294
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:12,709
important project. The airport

3295
01:42:12,709 --> 01:42:13,342
has been working on this

3296
01:42:13,342 --> 01:42:14,244
project for approximately 18

3297
01:42:14,244 --> 01:42:14,644
months. So there

3298
01:42:14,644 --> 01:42:16,479
s been a lot

3299
01:42:16,479 --> 01:42:19,516
of time and a lot of expense

3300
01:42:19,516 --> 01:42:19,950
put into this project. Um, as

3301
01:42:19,950 --> 01:42:21,950
always, Ms Gooby

3302
01:42:21,951 --> 01:42:22,986
s done a great

3303
01:42:22,986 --> 01:42:24,387
job summarizing the application

3304
01:42:24,387 --> 01:42:25,288
rather than going through all

3305
01:42:25,288 --> 01:42:25,855
the technical and restating all

3306
01:42:25,855 --> 01:42:26,790
that again. Um, I

3307
01:42:26,790 --> 01:42:28,391
d like to say

3308
01:42:28,391 --> 01:42:29,526
that we agree with all the

3309
01:42:29,526 --> 01:42:31,628
technical portions of her

3310
01:42:31,628 --> 01:42:31,828
summary. Uh, and we appreciate

3311
01:42:31,828 --> 01:42:32,495
staff

3312
01:42:32,495 --> 01:42:33,930
s recommendation of

3313
01:42:33,930 --> 01:42:34,630
approval of this request. Um,

3314
01:42:34,630 --> 01:42:35,765
I

3315
01:42:35,765 --> 01:42:37,968
d also like to reiterate that

3316
01:42:37,968 --> 01:42:38,935
planning a zoning commissions

3317
01:42:38,935 --> 01:42:41,171
did unanimously recommend the

3318
01:42:41,171 --> 01:42:42,939
approval of this request. There

3319
01:42:42,939 --> 01:42:44,307
are a few things I do want to

3320
01:42:44,307 --> 01:42:45,342
point out, um, the 5 parcels

3321
01:42:45,342 --> 01:42:46,376
that were on the map a minute

3322
01:42:46,376 --> 01:42:48,511
ago, they are all, if you

3323
01:42:48,511 --> 01:42:49,379
notice, within the footprint of

3324
01:42:49,379 --> 01:42:50,280
the airport. So they

3325
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:51,715
re already

3326
01:42:51,715 --> 01:42:51,948
kind of on airport land is, is

3327
01:42:51,948 --> 01:42:52,816
what I

3328
01:42:52,816 --> 01:42:54,584
d say. And if you looked

3329
01:42:54,584 --> 01:42:55,552
at it, you would think it is,

3330
01:42:55,552 --> 01:42:57,253
it is part of the airport

3331
01:42:57,253 --> 01:42:59,889
because it is right at the

3332
01:42:59,889 --> 01:43:01,324
airport. Um. The purpose of the

3333
01:43:01,324 --> 01:43:02,792
rezoning request is to allow

3334
01:43:02,792 --> 01:43:04,193
for certain airport development

3335
01:43:04,193 --> 01:43:05,395
that is compatible with

3336
01:43:05,395 --> 01:43:06,863
existing airport operations.

3337
01:43:06,863 --> 01:43:08,599
And to rezone that to

3338
01:43:08,599 --> 01:43:10,767
unoffensive industry. Um, the

3339
01:43:10,767 --> 01:43:11,635
one thing I will say too though

3340
01:43:11,635 --> 01:43:13,236
is this application is way

3341
01:43:13,236 --> 01:43:13,871
different than a lot of other

3342
01:43:13,871 --> 01:43:16,271
rezoning applications from a

3343
01:43:16,539 --> 01:43:18,241
practical standpoint. Ok? And

3344
01:43:18,241 --> 01:43:20,577
the reason for that is because

3345
01:43:20,577 --> 01:43:22,879
the faa is gonna have their

3346
01:43:22,879 --> 01:43:25,749
hand over this, this whole area,

3347
01:43:25,749 --> 01:43:27,183
ok? And so, uh, although a

3348
01:43:27,183 --> 01:43:28,652
rezoning request does, as you

3349
01:43:28,652 --> 01:43:30,753
all know, allow folks to build

3350
01:43:30,753 --> 01:43:32,622
whatever is within the specific

3351
01:43:32,622 --> 01:43:33,957
category. If the city code

3352
01:43:33,957 --> 01:43:35,892
allows this many uses, the faa

3353
01:43:35,892 --> 01:43:38,529
is gonna shrink that down quite

3354
01:43:38,529 --> 01:43:40,300
a bit, ok? And so from an faa

3355
01:43:40,300 --> 01:43:41,731
standpoint, we can only really

3356
01:43:41,731 --> 01:43:42,899
use this property for

3357
01:43:42,899 --> 01:43:44,501
aeronautical purposes, ok? And

3358
01:43:44,501 --> 01:43:44,667
so from the faa standpoint,

3359
01:43:44,667 --> 01:43:45,636
it

3360
01:43:45,636 --> 01:43:47,538
s like charter aircraft.

3361
01:43:47,538 --> 01:43:49,172
Business, uh, facilities,

3362
01:43:49,172 --> 01:43:50,874
corporate hangars, aircraft

3363
01:43:50,874 --> 01:43:51,908
maintenance, you know, charging

3364
01:43:51,908 --> 01:43:53,877
stations for electric aircraft.

3365
01:43:53,877 --> 01:43:55,780
Things like this are

3366
01:43:55,780 --> 01:43:57,478
aeronautical type of support

3367
01:43:57,981 --> 01:43:59,150
services, ok? Um, the airport

3368
01:43:59,150 --> 01:43:59,850
has limited space and property

3369
01:43:59,850 --> 01:44:01,685
available for development, and

3370
01:44:01,685 --> 01:44:02,252
these properties have been

3371
01:44:02,252 --> 01:44:04,221
previously identified for

3372
01:44:04,221 --> 01:44:04,821
actually a number of years for

3373
01:44:04,821 --> 01:44:07,821
this type of expansion and

3374
01:44:08,825 --> 01:44:09,993
development. Um To summarize

3375
01:44:09,993 --> 01:44:10,260
some of MISS Gooby

3376
01:44:10,260 --> 01:44:12,162
s comments

3377
01:44:12,162 --> 01:44:13,663
earlier, the, the current

3378
01:44:13,663 --> 01:44:15,165
comprehensive plans and,

3379
01:44:15,165 --> 01:44:16,266
frankly, prior comprehensive

3380
01:44:16,266 --> 01:44:17,667
plans have expressly identified

3381
01:44:17,667 --> 01:44:18,835
this area for the type of

3382
01:44:18,835 --> 01:44:20,771
development allowed in on

3383
01:44:20,771 --> 01:44:21,671
defensive industry. And the

3384
01:44:21,671 --> 01:44:24,240
future land use plan designates

3385
01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:24,942
a majority of this property as,

3386
01:44:24,942 --> 01:44:26,142
uh, industrial logistics, like

3387
01:44:26,142 --> 01:44:28,110
she said, which is

3388
01:44:28,110 --> 01:44:29,246
characterized by warehouse and

3389
01:44:29,246 --> 01:44:31,646
like manufacturing and includes

3390
01:44:31,648 --> 01:44:33,150
the airport area. Uh, the comp

3391
01:44:33,150 --> 01:44:33,983
plan goes on over and over

3392
01:44:33,983 --> 01:44:35,686
again to emphasize the

3393
01:44:35,686 --> 01:44:37,200
importance of the airport as an

3394
01:44:37,200 --> 01:44:38,855
economic growth driver. I think

3395
01:44:38,855 --> 01:44:40,857
we probably hopefully all agree

3396
01:44:40,857 --> 01:44:42,192
on that, um, for the city and

3397
01:44:42,192 --> 01:44:42,392
the surrounding area. And

3398
01:44:42,392 --> 01:44:42,893
there

3399
01:44:42,893 --> 01:44:44,227
s some statistics that

3400
01:44:44,227 --> 01:44:46,563
have come out about that

3401
01:44:46,563 --> 01:44:48,198
recently in a recent 2025 North

3402
01:44:48,198 --> 01:44:50,533
Carolina State of aviation

3403
01:44:50,533 --> 01:44:52,350
report. Overall, North Carolina

3404
01:44:52,350 --> 01:44:54,350
airports created $88 billion

3405
01:44:54,872 --> 01:44:57,872
worth of spending and output,

3406
01:44:58,341 --> 01:44:58,542
um, accounts for 11% of the

3407
01:44:58,542 --> 01:45:00,110
state

3408
01:45:00,110 --> 01:45:01,211
s gdp supports 427,000

3409
01:45:01,211 --> 01:45:02,279
jobs and generates 4.8. Billion

3410
01:45:02,279 --> 01:45:05,879
dollars in state and local tax

3411
01:45:06,182 --> 01:45:06,416
revenues. Um, so really what,

3412
01:45:06,416 --> 01:45:08,416
what we

3413
01:45:08,485 --> 01:45:09,860
re doing here is we are

3414
01:45:09,860 --> 01:45:09,953
creating jobs. That

3415
01:45:09,953 --> 01:45:10,120
s what

3416
01:45:10,120 --> 01:45:11,387
we

3417
01:45:11,387 --> 01:45:14,457
re trying to do. Uh, the

3418
01:45:14,457 --> 01:45:16,259
airport is trying to, to Have

3419
01:45:16,259 --> 01:45:17,794
support services there on their

3420
01:45:17,794 --> 01:45:18,729
property to help and it, yes,

3421
01:45:18,729 --> 01:45:20,297
if the things go the way we

3422
01:45:20,297 --> 01:45:21,531
want them to go, yes, it would

3423
01:45:21,531 --> 01:45:22,799
create jobs at the airport. But

3424
01:45:22,799 --> 01:45:24,670
the other thing it does is

3425
01:45:24,670 --> 01:45:25,568
support all the other

3426
01:45:25,568 --> 01:45:27,700
businesses in our region,

3427
01:45:27,700 --> 01:45:29,390
frankly, the region economic

3428
01:45:29,390 --> 01:45:29,906
development here has to have a

3429
01:45:29,906 --> 01:45:30,840
thriving airport at the end of

3430
01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:31,442
the day. And that

3431
01:45:31,442 --> 01:45:32,675
s what the

3432
01:45:32,675 --> 01:45:35,112
airport is here is asking you

3433
01:45:35,112 --> 01:45:36,179
to support that. Um, I do need

3434
01:45:36,179 --> 01:45:37,140
to briefly mention on the

3435
01:45:37,140 --> 01:45:37,213
community engagement for sure,

3436
01:45:37,213 --> 01:45:38,515
that

3437
01:45:38,515 --> 01:45:40,840
s a huge piece of this.

3438
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:42,820
And, and yes, we have had a

3439
01:45:42,820 --> 01:45:43,887
number of, of meetings to be as

3440
01:45:43,887 --> 01:45:45,755
transparent with everybody, uh,

3441
01:45:45,755 --> 01:45:46,556
and get input from the

3442
01:45:46,556 --> 01:45:47,925
surrounding property owners.

3443
01:45:47,925 --> 01:45:49,930
Yes, it was not technically

3444
01:45:49,930 --> 01:45:49,593
required of it, of us. We

3445
01:45:49,593 --> 01:45:51,593
ve

3446
01:45:51,995 --> 01:45:53,630
actually had 3 meetings, not 2.

3447
01:45:53,630 --> 01:45:55,833
The first meeting was held, uh,

3448
01:45:55,833 --> 01:45:57,267
more than a year ago back on

3449
01:45:57,267 --> 01:45:59,235
OCTOBER 17, 2023, there was a

3450
01:45:59,235 --> 01:46:01,635
second meeting on AUGUST 6,

3451
01:46:02,706 --> 01:46:05,106
2024, a third meeting on

3452
01:46:05,709 --> 01:46:07,277
NOVEMBER 14th of 2024. Um, The

3453
01:46:07,277 --> 01:46:08,112
airport engaged consultants to

3454
01:46:08,112 --> 01:46:09,280
develop comprehensive visuals

3455
01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:10,714
just to show the different

3456
01:46:10,714 --> 01:46:13,149
types of things that could be

3457
01:46:13,149 --> 01:46:14,418
done out there, um, we notified

3458
01:46:14,418 --> 01:46:15,552
everybody for these meetings

3459
01:46:15,552 --> 01:46:17,454
within the 250 ft radius. And

3460
01:46:17,454 --> 01:46:18,788
as the, as we have more and

3461
01:46:18,788 --> 01:46:19,456
more meetings and more people

3462
01:46:19,456 --> 01:46:20,824
were interested in coming to

3463
01:46:20,824 --> 01:46:21,691
those meetings. We then invited

3464
01:46:21,691 --> 01:46:23,393
those people back even if they

3465
01:46:23,393 --> 01:46:25,562
were outside of the 250 ft

3466
01:46:25,562 --> 01:46:28,532
radius to the extent we had

3467
01:46:28,532 --> 01:46:29,132
contact information, etc. Um I

3468
01:46:29,132 --> 01:46:30,100
personally attended two of

3469
01:46:30,100 --> 01:46:30,333
those meetings. I didn

3470
01:46:30,333 --> 01:46:30,834
t attend

3471
01:46:30,834 --> 01:46:31,134
the first one. I don

3472
01:46:31,134 --> 01:46:32,469
t know if

3473
01:46:32,469 --> 01:46:33,103
I was engaged at that point,

3474
01:46:33,103 --> 01:46:34,437
but I attended two of those

3475
01:46:34,437 --> 01:46:36,600
meetings. I felt like they went

3476
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:38,908
very well, um, at the final

3477
01:46:38,908 --> 01:46:40,430
meeting. There were no negative

3478
01:46:40,430 --> 01:46:43,430
comments about the project and

3479
01:46:43,180 --> 01:46:44,715
the development of the project.

3480
01:46:44,715 --> 01:46:46,550
Um, and so, now, one thing I do

3481
01:46:46,550 --> 01:46:48,485
also want to say is that this

3482
01:46:48,485 --> 01:46:50,554
is not the end for public

3483
01:46:50,554 --> 01:46:52,220
engagement on this project. The

3484
01:46:52,220 --> 01:46:52,122
faa also requires that. So it

3485
01:46:52,122 --> 01:46:52,289
s,

3486
01:46:52,289 --> 01:46:53,570
it

3487
01:46:53,570 --> 01:46:53,390
s outside of the, the city

3488
01:46:53,390 --> 01:46:54,892
s

3489
01:46:54,892 --> 01:46:55,926
area, but, but there

3490
01:46:55,926 --> 01:46:56,226
s, there

3491
01:46:56,226 --> 01:46:57,227
s

3492
01:46:57,227 --> 01:46:58,228
other opportunity for public

3493
01:46:58,228 --> 01:46:59,730
engagement on this project as

3494
01:46:59,730 --> 01:47:00,563
we move forward, which is a

3495
01:47:00,563 --> 01:47:02,532
great opportunity for me to

3496
01:47:02,532 --> 01:47:03,667
pass it off to to Cairo to

3497
01:47:03,667 --> 01:47:04,935
explain some of that. But, um,

3498
01:47:04,935 --> 01:47:06,700
but certainly if you have any

3499
01:47:06,700 --> 01:47:06,169
questions before I do that, I

3500
01:47:06,169 --> 01:47:08,169
m

3501
01:47:10,507 --> 01:47:10,841
happy to, to take them. I don

3502
01:47:10,841 --> 01:47:12,309
t

3503
01:47:12,309 --> 01:47:13,643
know that I have questions as

3504
01:47:13,643 --> 01:47:14,878
much as I do comment at this

3505
01:47:14,878 --> 01:47:15,912
point, can I make a comment as

3506
01:47:15,912 --> 01:47:19,517
home? Would you like me to wait?

3507
01:47:19,517 --> 01:47:20,417
Probably just want to ask

3508
01:47:20,417 --> 01:47:21,651
questions right now and then we

3509
01:47:21,651 --> 01:47:24,855
can comment as soon as we close

3510
01:47:24,855 --> 01:47:27,855
the public hearing. Ok. Thank

3511
01:47:33,330 --> 01:47:34,297
you. One. My name is Kara

3512
01:47:34,297 --> 01:47:34,865
Vogley, and I

3513
01:47:34,865 --> 01:47:35,566
m a civil

3514
01:47:35,566 --> 01:47:38,566
engineer with my friend Johnson.

3515
01:47:39,135 --> 01:47:40,103
These North 24 parcels are

3516
01:47:40,103 --> 01:47:41,272
owned and maintained by the

3517
01:47:41,272 --> 01:47:43,400
airport and are part of the

3518
01:47:43,400 --> 01:47:44,174
airfield footprint. However,

3519
01:47:44,174 --> 01:47:45,876
the airport is limited in what

3520
01:47:45,876 --> 01:47:47,511
it can do with the property

3521
01:47:47,511 --> 01:47:49,847
under the current zoning and is

3522
01:47:49,847 --> 01:47:50,547
also limited by the faa if the

3523
01:47:50,547 --> 01:47:53,547
airport wants access to federal

3524
01:47:54,417 --> 01:47:55,190
funding. Some of these faa

3525
01:47:55,190 --> 01:47:57,190
design restrictions include

3526
01:47:57,210 --> 01:47:58,455
using the land for airfield

3527
01:47:58,455 --> 01:47:59,490
purposes, limiting the height

3528
01:47:59,490 --> 01:48:01,458
of structures and objects which

3529
01:48:01,458 --> 01:48:03,661
we call Part 77. And making

3530
01:48:03,661 --> 01:48:05,695
sure the location of structures,

3531
01:48:05,695 --> 01:48:07,695
objects, taxiways, aircraft

3532
01:48:07,698 --> 01:48:09,333
parking, access roads, and more

3533
01:48:09,333 --> 01:48:12,350
are outside of the appropriate

3534
01:48:12,350 --> 01:48:13,603
airfield safety zones. Maintain

3535
01:48:13,603 --> 01:48:15,539
access to this federal funding,

3536
01:48:15,539 --> 01:48:16,473
the airport must abide by these

3537
01:48:16,473 --> 01:48:18,873
faa design regulations and

3538
01:48:18,909 --> 01:48:19,476
grant assurances. Which are

3539
01:48:19,476 --> 01:48:20,544
specific requirements to

3540
01:48:20,544 --> 01:48:22,879
maintain and operate the

3541
01:48:22,879 --> 01:48:24,414
airport in a safe and

3542
01:48:24,414 --> 01:48:25,716
serviceable condition. Limit

3543
01:48:25,716 --> 01:48:28,116
airspace hazards. Use airport

3544
01:48:28,319 --> 01:48:30,719
revenue properly. Ensure fair

3545
01:48:31,288 --> 01:48:32,756
access for all users and more.

3546
01:48:32,756 --> 01:48:34,258
The airport layoff plan is a

3547
01:48:34,258 --> 01:48:35,759
document that we develop and

3548
01:48:35,759 --> 01:48:36,493
submit to the faa that shows

3549
01:48:36,493 --> 01:48:38,928
the 20 year future plan of the

3550
01:48:38,928 --> 01:48:40,831
airport. This plan also shows

3551
01:48:40,831 --> 01:48:41,832
where usable land is located

3552
01:48:41,832 --> 01:48:44,135
based on those faa restrictions.

3553
01:48:44,135 --> 01:48:45,350
And this shows that the North

3554
01:48:45,350 --> 01:48:47,571
24 site is the most suitable

3555
01:48:47,571 --> 01:48:49,573
option. This land has direct

3556
01:48:49,573 --> 01:48:50,508
access to the existing runway

3557
01:48:50,508 --> 01:48:52,943
and taxiway and is large enough

3558
01:48:52,943 --> 01:48:55,343
for development. The requested

3559
01:48:56,179 --> 01:48:58,249
rezoning. We line the North 24

3560
01:48:58,249 --> 01:48:59,149
property more closely with the

3561
01:48:59,149 --> 01:49:01,149
existing airfield footprint,

3562
01:49:01,518 --> 01:49:02,419
allowing for its use for

3563
01:49:02,419 --> 01:49:03,888
various aviation-related

3564
01:49:03,888 --> 01:49:04,821
purposes like Drake mentioned,

3565
01:49:04,821 --> 01:49:06,821
charter aircraft, corporate

3566
01:49:08,525 --> 01:49:09,930
hangars, and so on. The airport

3567
01:49:09,930 --> 01:49:10,127
has encouraged community

3568
01:49:10,127 --> 01:49:10,460
engagement, and we

3569
01:49:10,460 --> 01:49:12,960
ll continue

3570
01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:13,998
this as there will be a formal

3571
01:49:13,998 --> 01:49:14,631
public comment period during

3572
01:49:14,631 --> 01:49:16,631
the environmental assessment

3573
01:49:17,534 --> 01:49:18,935
process. Once the faa

3574
01:49:18,935 --> 01:49:19,702
requirements are met, the

3575
01:49:19,702 --> 01:49:22,606
design process will begin with

3576
01:49:22,606 --> 01:49:25,108
the following steps. We must

3577
01:49:25,108 --> 01:49:26,760
develop and evaluate salt site

3578
01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:26,810
alternatives to determine the

3579
01:49:26,810 --> 01:49:29,146
specific use and layout of the

3580
01:49:29,146 --> 01:49:31,140
property. And then create a pen

3581
01:49:31,140 --> 01:49:32,160
and ink change to the airport

3582
01:49:32,160 --> 01:49:34,952
layout plan with the preferred

3583
01:49:34,952 --> 01:49:35,619
alternative. Then we

3584
01:49:35,619 --> 01:49:37,121
ll gather

3585
01:49:37,121 --> 01:49:38,210
data including assessments of

3586
01:49:38,210 --> 01:49:38,756
cultural resources, noise and

3587
01:49:38,756 --> 01:49:41,156
air quality, and traffic

3588
01:49:42,626 --> 01:49:43,260
impacts. Then draft and submit

3589
01:49:43,260 --> 01:49:44,494
the environmental assessment

3590
01:49:44,494 --> 01:49:46,497
report, along with public

3591
01:49:46,497 --> 01:49:47,998
comments and responses. Then

3592
01:49:47,998 --> 01:49:49,433
the faa will review the

3593
01:49:49,433 --> 01:49:50,167
submission and make a final

3594
01:49:50,167 --> 01:49:52,669
decision on whether to proceed

3595
01:49:52,669 --> 01:49:54,104
with the project. Again, the

3596
01:49:54,104 --> 01:49:56,390
purpose of this rezoning is to

3597
01:49:56,390 --> 01:49:57,541
have the ability to provide

3598
01:49:57,541 --> 01:49:58,608
supporting uses immediately

3599
01:49:58,608 --> 01:50:01,412
adjacent to the airport and to

3600
01:50:01,412 --> 01:50:02,345
continue to grow and provide

3601
01:50:02,345 --> 01:50:03,347
quality air air services for

3602
01:50:03,347 --> 01:50:06,947
the city of Greenville and the

3603
01:50:07,183 --> 01:50:08,519
surrounding area. Their custo

3604
01:50:08,519 --> 01:50:09,486
own subject property is

3605
01:50:09,486 --> 01:50:11,522
consistent with the existing

3606
01:50:11,522 --> 01:50:12,289
zoning in the area, the

3607
01:50:12,289 --> 01:50:12,489
development trends and the

3608
01:50:12,489 --> 01:50:14,489
city

3609
01:50:15,492 --> 01:50:16,360
s comprehensive plan. We

3610
01:50:16,360 --> 01:50:18,329
respectfully request your

3611
01:50:18,329 --> 01:50:19,763
approval of this rezoning

3612
01:50:19,763 --> 01:50:20,397
application and our team is

3613
01:50:20,397 --> 01:50:22,990
here to answer any questions

3614
01:50:22,990 --> 01:50:25,699
you guys have. Thank you. Any

3615
01:50:29,807 --> 01:50:32,807
questions? All right, thank you.

3616
01:50:33,177 --> 01:50:34,478
Anyone else that would like to

3617
01:50:34,478 --> 01:50:35,179
speak on behalf of the app MAY

3618
01:50:35,179 --> 01:50:36,446
come forward. Please state your

3619
01:50:36,446 --> 01:50:40,460
name for the record. You have 3

3620
01:51:04,908 --> 01:51:08,508
minutes. Um, my name is Deborah

3621
01:51:08,945 --> 01:51:10,381
Goldberg. And my husband and I

3622
01:51:10,381 --> 01:51:13,381
stay in that neighboring area

3623
01:51:13,383 --> 01:51:16,954
by the airport. And I would

3624
01:51:16,954 --> 01:51:18,489
like to say again, like um.

3625
01:51:18,489 --> 01:51:19,323
This black ones it but not

3626
01:51:19,323 --> 01:51:21,723
against development, but they

3627
01:51:21,759 --> 01:51:22,660
really want it. We caught a

3628
01:51:22,660 --> 01:51:25,429
flight out of DECEMBER of last

3629
01:51:25,429 --> 01:51:27,731
year. It was awesome. We love

3630
01:51:27,731 --> 01:51:29,266
it we love the convenience, you

3631
01:51:29,266 --> 01:51:30,634
know, just literally being able

3632
01:51:30,634 --> 01:51:31,636
to almost touch the door and

3633
01:51:31,636 --> 01:51:34,636
drive out, catch, catch a

3634
01:51:35,172 --> 01:51:35,673
flight. It was great. Um, the

3635
01:51:35,673 --> 01:51:36,174
only thing I

3636
01:51:36,174 --> 01:51:39,174
m wanted to ask is.

3637
01:51:41,578 --> 01:51:45,178
I think it was NOVEMBER 14th.

3638
01:51:45,315 --> 01:51:46,316
There was a meeting And One of

3639
01:51:46,316 --> 01:51:48,552
the meetings, I know at the end

3640
01:51:48,552 --> 01:51:50,210
of last year. You guys showed

3641
01:51:50,210 --> 01:51:53,758
where it was gonna be. A lot of

3642
01:51:53,758 --> 01:51:56,260
things. Um, Open network like

3643
01:51:56,260 --> 01:51:57,328
that little. Kind of like a

3644
01:51:57,328 --> 01:52:00,498
line and then a little square

3645
01:52:00,498 --> 01:52:01,966
coming out. So with the concern

3646
01:52:01,966 --> 01:52:03,934
about the trees, are you guys

3647
01:52:03,934 --> 01:52:04,267
still gonna, I know several

3648
01:52:04,267 --> 01:52:06,267
plans if I

3649
01:52:06,437 --> 01:52:08,138
m not mistaken. So

3650
01:52:08,138 --> 01:52:09,506
is there gonna be a line of

3651
01:52:09,506 --> 01:52:10,607
trees that will be planted up

3652
01:52:10,607 --> 01:52:13,644
in there to kind of be like a

3653
01:52:13,644 --> 01:52:14,278
filter. More than any kind of

3654
01:52:14,278 --> 01:52:17,278
noise or air pollution or

3655
01:52:32,530 --> 01:52:34,631
sounds. I Um again, Brian

3656
01:52:34,631 --> 01:52:36,867
Pagundis, uh, the short version

3657
01:52:36,867 --> 01:52:38,402
is the city has ordinances that

3658
01:52:38,402 --> 01:52:40,771
are gonna require since the

3659
01:52:40,771 --> 01:52:41,705
airport is a more intense land

3660
01:52:41,705 --> 01:52:43,774
use than the neighbors against

3661
01:52:43,774 --> 01:52:44,675
it where you guys live. Ok. The

3662
01:52:44,675 --> 01:52:45,909
city has ordinances that are

3663
01:52:45,909 --> 01:52:49,213
going to require us to have a

3664
01:52:49,213 --> 01:52:51,115
vegetated buffer. Between the

3665
01:52:51,115 --> 01:52:53,517
airport property and you guys.

3666
01:52:53,517 --> 01:52:55,786
So my expectation is at minimum,

3667
01:52:55,786 --> 01:52:57,888
you end up with evergreen.

3668
01:52:57,888 --> 01:52:59,356
Plantings and a fence. MAY even

3669
01:52:59,356 --> 01:53:02,793
end up with a berm, an earthen

3670
01:53:02,793 --> 01:53:04,561
berm. Between as well with that

3671
01:53:04,561 --> 01:53:05,996
vegetation MAY wind up on. So

3672
01:53:05,996 --> 01:53:07,331
picture a hill with trees on it

3673
01:53:07,331 --> 01:53:08,566
and then a fence, so you, you

3674
01:53:08,566 --> 01:53:09,600
have. There, there

3675
01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:11,600
s a couple

3676
01:53:12,169 --> 01:53:13,637
of different things that, that.

3677
01:53:13,637 --> 01:53:15,139
Impose that one is city

3678
01:53:15,139 --> 01:53:16,741
regulation, the other will be

3679
01:53:16,741 --> 01:53:18,142
dealing with the faa through

3680
01:53:18,142 --> 01:53:19,510
their process with some of the

3681
01:53:19,510 --> 01:53:21,745
requirements that part of the

3682
01:53:21,745 --> 01:53:22,680
environmental assessment that

3683
01:53:22,680 --> 01:53:22,880
Noises a consideration, so

3684
01:53:22,880 --> 01:53:23,514
that

3685
01:53:23,514 --> 01:53:24,815
ll be part of part of you

3686
01:53:24,815 --> 01:53:27,718
help for some of that. And is

3687
01:53:27,718 --> 01:53:27,818
it And I directly that there

3688
01:53:27,818 --> 01:53:29,818
s

3689
01:53:30,454 --> 01:53:32,289
going to be another, about it

3690
01:53:32,289 --> 01:53:32,890
ok and just make sure

3691
01:53:32,890 --> 01:53:32,990
everything, Correct. There

3692
01:53:32,990 --> 01:53:34,990
s

3693
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:35,959
really safe and, Correct,

3694
01:53:35,959 --> 01:53:36,693
there

3695
01:53:36,693 --> 01:53:38,128
s public notification as

3696
01:53:38,128 --> 01:53:40,630
part of that process, and part

3697
01:53:40,630 --> 01:53:40,698
of that is notification and

3698
01:53:40,698 --> 01:53:40,798
subsequent meetings and that

3699
01:53:40,798 --> 01:53:41,565
s

3700
01:53:41,565 --> 01:53:45,703
all open to the public and you

3701
01:53:45,703 --> 01:53:48,573
guys will be notified. So that,

3702
01:53:48,573 --> 01:53:50,941
that, um, tree barrier that.

3703
01:53:50,941 --> 01:53:52,409
That, is that going to also go,

3704
01:53:52,409 --> 01:53:52,877
so when you turn, when you come

3705
01:53:52,877 --> 01:53:53,877
off of that, let

3706
01:53:53,877 --> 01:53:55,877
s go. You

3707
01:53:59,883 --> 01:54:03,483
trying on Just that that down

3708
01:54:03,521 --> 01:54:03,654
there too as well. Just that

3709
01:54:03,654 --> 01:54:04,188
I

3710
01:54:04,188 --> 01:54:05,822
m not entirely sure if I

3711
01:54:05,822 --> 01:54:07,822
m

3712
01:54:08,192 --> 01:54:09,660
Following you, but basically

3713
01:54:09,660 --> 01:54:09,861
anywhere the airport property

3714
01:54:09,861 --> 01:54:11,861
that

3715
01:54:11,929 --> 01:54:14,329
s being developed adjoins.

3716
01:54:14,464 --> 01:54:15,366
The periphery, this this

3717
01:54:15,366 --> 01:54:15,867
residential, it

3718
01:54:15,867 --> 01:54:16,867
ll require that

3719
01:54:16,867 --> 01:54:17,467
buffer. Ok. So, it

3720
01:54:17,467 --> 01:54:19,467
ll probably

3721
01:54:21,171 --> 01:54:22,673
be that. That little on that

3722
01:54:22,673 --> 01:54:23,307
street and then you turn. This

3723
01:54:23,307 --> 01:54:24,675
is a, there

3724
01:54:24,675 --> 01:54:26,110
s a fence right

3725
01:54:26,110 --> 01:54:26,344
there too, so yeah, it, it MAY,

3726
01:54:26,344 --> 01:54:27,780
I don

3727
01:54:27,780 --> 01:54:27,177
t know for sure if it

3728
01:54:27,177 --> 01:54:28,450
ll

3729
01:54:28,450 --> 01:54:29,446
turn the corner, but it MAY

3730
01:54:29,446 --> 01:54:30,648
turn the corner. There are a

3731
01:54:30,648 --> 01:54:32,449
lot of utility easements in

3732
01:54:32,449 --> 01:54:33,784
that area, so that could

3733
01:54:33,784 --> 01:54:35,352
prevent, you know, that you

3734
01:54:35,352 --> 01:54:36,687
basically where West bellboard

3735
01:54:36,687 --> 01:54:37,889
dead ends now that could

3736
01:54:37,889 --> 01:54:39,623
prevent some of those across

3737
01:54:39,623 --> 01:54:41,725
the dead end, end of the street

3738
01:54:41,725 --> 01:54:44,128
there. Ok. Can I ask a quick

3739
01:54:44,128 --> 01:54:46,130
question for point of clarity

3740
01:54:46,130 --> 01:54:48,465
for those citizens, um, and so

3741
01:54:48,465 --> 01:54:51,680
that is, uh, the vegetation

3742
01:54:51,680 --> 01:54:52,503
buffer is like 500. Uh, feet

3743
01:54:52,503 --> 01:54:54,505
from the backyard of those

3744
01:54:54,505 --> 01:54:55,506
citizens on that side is that,

3745
01:54:55,506 --> 01:54:55,907
is that correct? I

3746
01:54:55,907 --> 01:54:57,907
ve been

3747
01:54:57,942 --> 01:54:59,410
making up a number if I told

3748
01:54:59,410 --> 01:55:01,245
you yes or no. I, I was just

3749
01:55:01,245 --> 01:55:01,746
wondering if that was correct.

3750
01:55:01,746 --> 01:55:03,247
So it

3751
01:55:03,247 --> 01:55:04,315
ll run the line with,

3752
01:55:04,315 --> 01:55:05,583
with the back what we call the

3753
01:55:05,583 --> 01:55:08,583
north side of the airport

3754
01:55:09,386 --> 01:55:10,388
property. Thank you. So help.

3755
01:55:10,388 --> 01:55:13,388
Thank you. Thank you guys.

3756
01:55:13,724 --> 01:55:15,425
Thanks, MS. Goldberg. Anyone

3757
01:55:15,425 --> 01:55:17,261
else that would like to speak

3758
01:55:17,261 --> 01:55:18,596
in favor of the app MAY come

3759
01:55:18,596 --> 01:55:19,263
forward. You have 3 minutes.

3760
01:55:19,263 --> 01:55:22,863
Please state your name for the

3761
01:55:31,842 --> 01:55:32,743
record. All right, see none.

3762
01:55:32,743 --> 01:55:33,377
Those in opposition to the

3763
01:55:33,377 --> 01:55:34,450
applicant MAY come forward.

3764
01:55:34,450 --> 01:55:36,214
Please state your name for the

3765
01:55:36,214 --> 01:55:37,281
record. The first person has 10

3766
01:55:37,281 --> 01:55:39,681
minutes, all others have 3

3767
01:55:52,597 --> 01:55:53,431
minutes. All right, see no

3768
01:55:53,431 --> 01:55:54,999
public hearing is now closed,

3769
01:55:54,999 --> 01:55:57,267
open for a board discussion or

3770
01:55:57,267 --> 01:55:59,169
a motion. Motion to approve.

3771
01:55:59,169 --> 01:55:59,771
Seconds. All right, so I got a

3772
01:55:59,771 --> 01:56:01,205
motion by Council member

3773
01:56:01,205 --> 01:56:03,605
Robinson, seconded by Council

3774
01:56:04,375 --> 01:56:06,775
member Scully. Council member

3775
01:56:06,811 --> 01:56:09,780
Willis, my comment was I

3776
01:56:09,780 --> 01:56:10,881
appreciate the airports, um,

3777
01:56:10,881 --> 01:56:12,783
due diligence and um adhering

3778
01:56:12,783 --> 01:56:14,520
to our requests and seemingly

3779
01:56:14,520 --> 01:56:16,200
going beyond that with the 3

3780
01:56:16,200 --> 01:56:16,420
meetings, um, as opposed to the

3781
01:56:16,420 --> 01:56:18,122
one, so that

3782
01:56:18,122 --> 01:56:20,580
s noted. Mhm All

3783
01:56:20,580 --> 01:56:23,658
right, any other comments? I do.

3784
01:56:23,928 --> 01:56:26,463
I agree. Um, I also want to

3785
01:56:26,463 --> 01:56:28,299
commend you all, um, and thank

3786
01:56:28,299 --> 01:56:29,800
you for listening, uh, as far

3787
01:56:29,800 --> 01:56:31,135
as uh doing community

3788
01:56:31,135 --> 01:56:32,503
engagement. I know I can

3789
01:56:32,503 --> 01:56:35,503
sometimes come across as tough

3790
01:56:36,607 --> 01:56:40,207
on these topics. Um, but, um,

3791
01:56:40,344 --> 01:56:41,346
that thought process for me. No,

3792
01:56:41,346 --> 01:56:43,280
um, that thought process for me

3793
01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:44,749
is an order of operations, and

3794
01:56:44,749 --> 01:56:46,484
that order of operations is

3795
01:56:46,484 --> 01:56:48,820
that if we put people first, we

3796
01:56:48,820 --> 01:56:49,253
cannot go wrong. We don

3797
01:56:49,253 --> 01:56:50,187
t make

3798
01:56:50,187 --> 01:56:52,587
decisions that impact people

3799
01:56:53,624 --> 01:56:54,692
without them. And so the uh

3800
01:56:54,692 --> 01:56:55,659
extensive amount of community

3801
01:56:55,659 --> 01:56:58,659
engagement that you guys did

3802
01:56:59,631 --> 01:57:02,133
made a difference. Um You all

3803
01:57:02,133 --> 01:57:04,133
turned apprehension. In

3804
01:57:07,472 --> 01:57:09,907
advocacy. I personally went out

3805
01:57:09,907 --> 01:57:12,310
to Oelbo Road with uh members

3806
01:57:12,310 --> 01:57:15,747
of Nora and talked to citizens

3807
01:57:15,747 --> 01:57:19,183
that live on that little strip

3808
01:57:19,183 --> 01:57:19,751
um behind that area and um

3809
01:57:19,751 --> 01:57:21,751
particularly MR. William

3810
01:57:23,588 --> 01:57:26,588
Wilkins. Shared with me that

3811
01:57:27,240 --> 01:57:28,426
not only did you all do the, uh,

3812
01:57:28,426 --> 01:57:29,260
meetings that we requested and

3813
01:57:29,260 --> 01:57:31,228
we all remember that first

3814
01:57:31,228 --> 01:57:34,699
meeting, it was kind of a hot

3815
01:57:34,699 --> 01:57:37,680
mess. Um, but it developed and

3816
01:57:37,680 --> 01:57:38,503
grew throughout to where the

3817
01:57:38,503 --> 01:57:39,971
citizens started supporting you

3818
01:57:39,971 --> 01:57:42,940
and that was because they had

3819
01:57:42,940 --> 01:57:44,800
input. Um, he was very

3820
01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:45,843
appreciative of the fact that

3821
01:57:45,843 --> 01:57:46,778
not only did we have those

3822
01:57:46,778 --> 01:57:46,877
meetings and what you all don

3823
01:57:46,877 --> 01:57:48,877
t

3824
01:57:49,213 --> 01:57:49,814
know is that I had meetings

3825
01:57:49,814 --> 01:57:52,214
personally in between those

3826
01:57:52,617 --> 01:57:55,519
meetings. Um, because one of

3827
01:57:55,519 --> 01:57:57,540
the questions that they had,

3828
01:57:57,540 --> 01:57:58,923
they did not understand what we

3829
01:57:58,923 --> 01:58:00,124
were talking about about

3830
01:58:00,124 --> 01:58:01,793
expansion. When citizens think

3831
01:58:01,793 --> 01:58:04,228
of expansion, they think that

3832
01:58:04,228 --> 01:58:05,997
you all are asking for us to

3833
01:58:05,997 --> 01:58:08,833
bring in more flights to

3834
01:58:08,833 --> 01:58:09,801
accommodate them. And helping

3835
01:58:09,801 --> 01:58:12,801
them understand that no, they

3836
01:58:12,804 --> 01:58:14,739
want to bring in bunkers to

3837
01:58:14,739 --> 01:58:15,840
service, uh, private jets and

3838
01:58:15,840 --> 01:58:17,375
bring in more income, which

3839
01:58:17,375 --> 01:58:19,777
will bring in more tax dollars

3840
01:58:19,777 --> 01:58:23,914
and blah, you know, so on and

3841
01:58:23,914 --> 01:58:27,118
so forth, um. So your efforts.

3842
01:58:27,118 --> 01:58:28,519
Made the difference. And for

3843
01:58:28,519 --> 01:58:29,540
everyone else, that is the

3844
01:58:29,540 --> 01:58:30,188
example that I

3845
01:58:30,188 --> 01:58:32,188
m saying about

3846
01:58:33,570 --> 01:58:36,570
us setting standards. On what

3847
01:58:37,395 --> 01:58:40,298
we expect. Developers to do

3848
01:58:40,298 --> 01:58:43,601
when they want to build in our

3849
01:58:43,601 --> 01:58:45,503
city or our etj or expand. Um,

3850
01:58:45,503 --> 01:58:47,872
you all set the example of how

3851
01:58:47,872 --> 01:58:48,773
to do that and to listen to our

3852
01:58:48,773 --> 01:58:51,773
citizens and I so greatly

3853
01:58:52,676 --> 01:58:53,344
appreciate you. All right, any

3854
01:58:53,344 --> 01:58:55,744
other comments or discussion

3855
01:58:58,816 --> 01:59:00,584
before we vote? All right. All

3856
01:59:00,584 --> 01:59:03,187
those in favor say aye, those

3857
01:59:03,187 --> 01:59:05,856
pose say nay. Motion passes 6

3858
01:59:05,856 --> 01:59:07,492
to 0. Move on to item number 15,

3859
01:59:07,492 --> 01:59:07,758
MR. Manager. Yeah, no, you

3860
01:59:07,758 --> 01:59:09,758
re

3861
01:59:10,428 --> 01:59:10,528
fine, last but not least I

3862
01:59:10,528 --> 01:59:12,528
m

3863
01:59:13,331 --> 01:59:15,660
number 15. Ordnance requested

3864
01:59:15,660 --> 01:59:16,534
by the planning and Development

3865
01:59:16,534 --> 01:59:18,934
Services Department to amend

3866
01:59:20,872 --> 01:59:23,272
Title 9, chapter 4 article in

3867
01:59:23,341 --> 01:59:24,842
Signs section 233, special

3868
01:59:24,842 --> 01:59:26,377
provisions for certain signs by

3869
01:59:26,377 --> 01:59:27,878
adding a definition in

3870
01:59:27,878 --> 01:59:29,180
standards for official

3871
01:59:29,180 --> 01:59:31,580
government flags in the

3872
01:59:32,490 --> 01:59:34,449
following zoning districts, cg

3873
01:59:35,520 --> 01:59:37,920
General Commercial ch Heavy

3874
01:59:38,356 --> 01:59:39,560
commercial piu plan on

3875
01:59:39,560 --> 01:59:41,456
offensive industry pr planning

3876
01:59:41,726 --> 01:59:44,462
industry. Are you on offensive

3877
01:59:44,462 --> 01:59:46,297
industry and, uh, industry with

3878
01:59:46,297 --> 01:59:49,200
a maximum flagpole height not

3879
01:59:49,200 --> 01:59:51,236
to exceed 130 ft at grade and a

3880
01:59:51,236 --> 01:59:53,872
maximum flag size of no more

3881
01:59:53,872 --> 01:59:55,730
than 3200 square feet. I will

3882
01:59:55,730 --> 01:59:55,640
now ask our chief planner

3883
01:59:55,640 --> 01:59:58,640
Shante Gubi to give the

3884
02:00:01,946 --> 02:00:02,346
presentation. So I

3885
02:00:02,346 --> 02:00:04,820
m gonna

3886
02:00:04,820 --> 02:00:04,916
start with just a little brief

3887
02:00:04,916 --> 02:00:05,183
history. I don

3888
02:00:05,183 --> 02:00:05,951
t want to

3889
02:00:05,951 --> 02:00:08,153
belabor the point, but I kind

3890
02:00:08,153 --> 02:00:11,222
of just want to bring this up

3891
02:00:11,222 --> 02:00:13,157
to current, how we got here, um,

3892
02:00:13,157 --> 02:00:14,492
in OCTOBER of last year, staff

3893
02:00:14,492 --> 02:00:17,280
received a complaint about a

3894
02:00:17,280 --> 02:00:19,597
very large flag, um, staff, uh,

3895
02:00:19,597 --> 02:00:23,234
did go out, do a site visit, um.

3896
02:00:23,234 --> 02:00:25,169
On OCTOBER 31st, a notice of

3897
02:00:25,169 --> 02:00:26,370
violation was sent to the

3898
02:00:26,370 --> 02:00:29,700
property owner, uh, due to the

3899
02:00:29,700 --> 02:00:31,410
size of the flag. So, NOVEMBER

3900
02:00:31,410 --> 02:00:32,243
12th, uh, Camping World did

3901
02:00:32,243 --> 02:00:34,643
contact staff concerning the

3902
02:00:35,881 --> 02:00:38,182
notice of violation. Um Staff

3903
02:00:38,182 --> 02:00:40,318
did explain to them the issue,

3904
02:00:40,318 --> 02:00:42,870
which was currently, um, our

3905
02:00:42,870 --> 02:00:43,187
ordinance only allows a 216

3906
02:00:43,187 --> 02:00:46,187
square foot flag, and there

3907
02:00:47,125 --> 02:00:47,201
s

3908
02:00:47,201 --> 02:00:47,792
appeared to be much larger than

3909
02:00:47,792 --> 02:00:48,993
that. Um, they did let us know

3910
02:00:48,993 --> 02:00:51,993
their flag was 3200 square feet.

3911
02:00:52,931 --> 02:00:54,432
Um, we discussed, uh, possible

3912
02:00:54,432 --> 02:00:55,833
remedy, which was to amend the

3913
02:00:55,833 --> 02:00:58,536
ordinance or a text amendment

3914
02:00:58,536 --> 02:01:01,906
like we have here every month.

3915
02:01:01,906 --> 02:01:03,842
Um, we explained the process in

3916
02:01:03,842 --> 02:01:06,242
NOVEMBER 5th, 15th, Camping

3917
02:01:06,244 --> 02:01:08,644
World submitted a text

3918
02:01:08,680 --> 02:01:09,314
amendment that, um, would

3919
02:01:09,314 --> 02:01:10,548
remedy their situation as far

3920
02:01:10,548 --> 02:01:13,818
as the size of the flag and the

3921
02:01:13,818 --> 02:01:15,353
flagpole. Um, after reviewing

3922
02:01:15,353 --> 02:01:16,588
it, staff did notify Camping

3923
02:01:16,588 --> 02:01:19,457
World that we would have to

3924
02:01:19,457 --> 02:01:21,359
recommend, uh, the text

3925
02:01:21,359 --> 02:01:23,528
amendment as they, um, uh, had

3926
02:01:23,528 --> 02:01:24,897
proposed it. We did not receive

3927
02:01:24,897 --> 02:01:27,297
any follow-up from Camping

3928
02:01:27,665 --> 02:01:28,666
World, um, but for the lack of

3929
02:01:28,666 --> 02:01:30,668
communication on Camp and world

3930
02:01:30,668 --> 02:01:32,170
side, there is always a

3931
02:01:32,170 --> 02:01:34,472
possibility that city staff and

3932
02:01:34,472 --> 02:01:36,408
Camp and World, um, could have

3933
02:01:36,408 --> 02:01:39,377
possibly come up to come up

3934
02:01:39,377 --> 02:01:40,178
with a text amendment, um, that

3935
02:01:40,178 --> 02:01:42,578
could have remedied their

3936
02:01:43,815 --> 02:01:45,817
situation. This tax amendment

3937
02:01:45,817 --> 02:01:47,285
went forward DECEMBER 17th,

3938
02:01:47,285 --> 02:01:48,620
planning and zoning recommended

3939
02:01:48,620 --> 02:01:51,155
denial. That same request came

3940
02:01:51,155 --> 02:01:52,124
to council in JANUARY of this

3941
02:01:52,124 --> 02:01:54,124
year, council recommended

3942
02:01:58,130 --> 02:01:59,631
denial. And so, um, we are back

3943
02:01:59,631 --> 02:02:01,399
because counsel asked staff to

3944
02:02:01,399 --> 02:02:03,968
bring forth a text amendment.

3945
02:02:03,968 --> 02:02:05,336
So I just wanna just. Go ahead

3946
02:02:05,336 --> 02:02:08,273
and talk about what, uh, what

3947
02:02:08,273 --> 02:02:09,274
we have right now. So I took

3948
02:02:09,274 --> 02:02:10,842
this photograph JANUARY 28th.

3949
02:02:10,842 --> 02:02:13,780
This was taken across the

3950
02:02:13,780 --> 02:02:15,280
street from, uh, the ice

3951
02:02:15,280 --> 02:02:17,916
skating rink. So you have their

3952
02:02:17,916 --> 02:02:18,116
flagpole, which is 130 ft, and

3953
02:02:18,116 --> 02:02:19,510
that

3954
02:02:19,510 --> 02:02:21,451
s essentially the piece

3955
02:02:21,987 --> 02:02:22,253
that you see, right? You have a

3956
02:02:22,253 --> 02:02:24,253
flag that

3957
02:02:25,123 --> 02:02:27,523
s 40 by 80. Which is

3958
02:02:27,892 --> 02:02:29,895
3200 square feet. And then I

3959
02:02:29,895 --> 02:02:32,330
also wanted to provide you sort

3960
02:02:32,330 --> 02:02:33,765
of a plot plan of where this

3961
02:02:33,765 --> 02:02:36,134
flagpole actually is on the

3962
02:02:36,134 --> 02:02:38,360
property because it is so large,

3963
02:02:38,360 --> 02:02:40,500
you tend to not have an idea of

3964
02:02:40,500 --> 02:02:41,173
how far back it is from the

3965
02:02:41,173 --> 02:02:41,606
road. So I

3966
02:02:41,606 --> 02:02:44,109
ve put a yellow star.

3967
02:02:44,109 --> 02:02:46,177
Um, across the street. This

3968
02:02:46,177 --> 02:02:49,140
would be, um, the ice skating

3969
02:02:49,140 --> 02:02:49,180
rink. And so just easy measure,

3970
02:02:49,180 --> 02:02:50,482
it

3971
02:02:50,482 --> 02:02:51,382
s about 100 ft from the

3972
02:02:51,382 --> 02:02:55,582
right of way off of Red Banks

3973
02:02:57,210 --> 02:02:58,890
Road. It is 155 ft from Evans

3974
02:02:58,890 --> 02:02:59,190
Street and then from the corner

3975
02:02:59,190 --> 02:03:01,190
itself it

3976
02:03:02,794 --> 02:03:05,194
s about 220 ft. So

3977
02:03:05,196 --> 02:03:05,563
this is a summary of what

3978
02:03:05,563 --> 02:03:07,563
Camping World

3979
02:03:07,733 --> 02:03:10,133
s request was, um,

3980
02:03:11,502 --> 02:03:13,271
it was for non-commercial flags.

3981
02:03:13,271 --> 02:03:13,805
It involved 16 different

3982
02:03:13,805 --> 02:03:15,805
non-residential zoning

3983
02:03:17,342 --> 02:03:19,342
districts. It allowed 3

3984
02:03:19,945 --> 02:03:22,345
flagpoles, 3 flags. That would

3985
02:03:23,150 --> 02:03:25,830
be a total of 9 flags with a

3986
02:03:25,830 --> 02:03:27,483
total square footage of 28,000

3987
02:03:29,287 --> 02:03:31,687
square feet. Maximum maximum

3988
02:03:31,756 --> 02:03:34,156
flagpole height 130 ft. There

3989
02:03:34,425 --> 02:03:37,629
was no minimum lot size for a

3990
02:03:37,629 --> 02:03:39,631
qualifying property. Um, there

3991
02:03:39,631 --> 02:03:40,899
was no zoning permit required,

3992
02:03:40,899 --> 02:03:42,701
only a building permit because

3993
02:03:42,701 --> 02:03:42,868
the flagpole and the way that

3994
02:03:42,868 --> 02:03:44,502
it

3995
02:03:44,502 --> 02:03:44,703
s installed. And then there

3996
02:03:44,703 --> 02:03:45,904
weren

3997
02:03:45,904 --> 02:03:48,904
t any setbacks for the

3998
02:03:49,641 --> 02:03:50,740
flagpole itself. So this is a

3999
02:03:50,740 --> 02:03:52,740
map, you

4000
02:03:52,444 --> 02:03:54,844
ve seen it before.

4001
02:03:55,280 --> 02:03:57,248
This map illustrates, um, the

4002
02:03:57,248 --> 02:03:57,816
properties of the 16

4003
02:03:57,816 --> 02:03:59,150
non-residential zoning

4004
02:03:59,150 --> 02:04:00,585
districts. So the zoning

4005
02:04:00,585 --> 02:04:01,753
districts you see on the

4006
02:04:01,753 --> 02:04:04,153
right-hand side, those are

4007
02:04:06,425 --> 02:04:09,828
illustrated on the map as red.

4008
02:04:09,828 --> 02:04:12,331
Just a very easy graphic of

4009
02:04:12,331 --> 02:04:14,731
what their text amendment 3

4010
02:04:14,866 --> 02:04:17,866
flagpoles, 3 flags each, up to

4011
02:04:20,380 --> 02:04:22,400
3200 square square feet. So As

4012
02:04:22,400 --> 02:04:25,640
staff was directed to come up

4013
02:04:26,100 --> 02:04:28,280
with um a text amendment, uh,

4014
02:04:28,280 --> 02:04:31,616
we looked at what we saw were

4015
02:04:31,616 --> 02:04:33,118
the defense the dis the

4016
02:04:33,118 --> 02:04:34,552
deficiencies with the original

4017
02:04:34,552 --> 02:04:36,454
request, and I want to go

4018
02:04:36,454 --> 02:04:39,230
through what we looked at and

4019
02:04:39,230 --> 02:04:40,826
then how we sought to correct

4020
02:04:40,826 --> 02:04:43,328
those. Um, the first thing we

4021
02:04:43,328 --> 02:04:44,295
looked at was the flag type at

4022
02:04:44,295 --> 02:04:45,297
that time they

4023
02:04:45,297 --> 02:04:46,832
re text

4024
02:04:46,832 --> 02:04:48,832
amendment was non-commercial,

4025
02:04:50,202 --> 02:04:52,304
which is very broad. So we have

4026
02:04:52,304 --> 02:04:53,205
limited this to official

4027
02:04:53,205 --> 02:04:55,573
government flags have a

4028
02:04:55,573 --> 02:04:56,740
definition of a few slides back

4029
02:04:56,740 --> 02:04:57,442
that we

4030
02:04:57,442 --> 02:04:58,444
ll get to. We also

4031
02:04:58,444 --> 02:05:01,313
looked at the zoning districts

4032
02:05:01,313 --> 02:05:02,981
and a way to reduce those

4033
02:05:02,981 --> 02:05:05,981
zoning districts. So we have

4034
02:05:06,118 --> 02:05:09,118
reduced it from. The 16 that

4035
02:05:09,521 --> 02:05:10,522
they asked to 6. We added a

4036
02:05:10,522 --> 02:05:10,656
minimum property size. It

4037
02:05:10,656 --> 02:05:12,390
s a

4038
02:05:12,390 --> 02:05:15,260
large flag, so we decided there

4039
02:05:15,260 --> 02:05:16,395
should be some kind of

4040
02:05:16,395 --> 02:05:18,663
clarifier in the size of

4041
02:05:18,663 --> 02:05:21,133
property that could have a flag

4042
02:05:21,133 --> 02:05:22,534
that size. So we have added in

4043
02:05:22,534 --> 02:05:26,134
a minimum size of at least 5

4044
02:05:26,271 --> 02:05:27,873
acres. Also with this text

4045
02:05:27,873 --> 02:05:30,675
amendment, we reduced it down

4046
02:05:30,675 --> 02:05:33,675
very simply. One flagpole, one

4047
02:05:35,800 --> 02:05:36,949
flag up to 3200 square feet. We

4048
02:05:36,949 --> 02:05:37,449
added setback requirements. So

4049
02:05:37,449 --> 02:05:38,350
essentially we

4050
02:05:38,350 --> 02:05:40,350
re treating the

4051
02:05:40,852 --> 02:05:42,721
flag as a structure, or the

4052
02:05:42,721 --> 02:05:44,656
flagpole itself. So the

4053
02:05:44,656 --> 02:05:46,692
flagpole has to abide by the

4054
02:05:46,692 --> 02:05:46,858
setbacks of the zoning district

4055
02:05:46,858 --> 02:05:48,858
it

4056
02:05:50,195 --> 02:05:53,598
s in. And then, um, the last

4057
02:05:53,598 --> 02:05:57,235
thing we did was we included a

4058
02:05:57,235 --> 02:05:59,971
zoning approval. Um, the, Um,

4059
02:05:59,971 --> 02:06:01,940
their text amendment. Tried to

4060
02:06:01,940 --> 02:06:02,440
put the flags in a category of

4061
02:06:02,440 --> 02:06:04,409
where they didn

4062
02:06:04,409 --> 02:06:06,745
t have to be

4063
02:06:06,745 --> 02:06:08,446
approved by zoning. So we have

4064
02:06:08,446 --> 02:06:09,214
added that flags in in this

4065
02:06:09,214 --> 02:06:09,715
category. I, I

4066
02:06:09,715 --> 02:06:11,820
ll, I

4067
02:06:11,820 --> 02:06:13,820
ll call it,

4068
02:06:14,520 --> 02:06:15,987
um, does have to go through, um,

4069
02:06:15,987 --> 02:06:17,690
a zoning permit, uh, or zoning

4070
02:06:17,690 --> 02:06:19,158
compliance permit. It already

4071
02:06:19,158 --> 02:06:19,724
has to have a building permit

4072
02:06:19,724 --> 02:06:20,458
because again, it

4073
02:06:20,458 --> 02:06:22,458
s a 130 ft

4074
02:06:25,630 --> 02:06:27,800
flat pole. So just a quick

4075
02:06:27,800 --> 02:06:30,800
summary again, uh, we distilled

4076
02:06:31,403 --> 02:06:31,870
this down to only 6 districts.

4077
02:06:31,870 --> 02:06:33,806
Those districts are

4078
02:06:33,806 --> 02:06:36,206
non-residential. One pole, one

4079
02:06:38,143 --> 02:06:40,245
flag. Up to 3200 square feet.

4080
02:06:40,245 --> 02:06:41,614
Flagpole height stays the same.

4081
02:06:41,614 --> 02:06:44,850
Property has to be a minimum of

4082
02:06:44,850 --> 02:06:45,684
5 acres. Um, still requires

4083
02:06:45,684 --> 02:06:45,785
building permit, but you

4084
02:06:45,785 --> 02:06:46,584
ll

4085
02:06:46,584 --> 02:06:49,584
also be required a zoning

4086
02:06:50,122 --> 02:06:51,923
permit. And again, the flagpole

4087
02:06:51,923 --> 02:06:54,326
was treated um as a structure,

4088
02:06:54,326 --> 02:06:59,970
so it will have to abide by the

4089
02:06:59,970 --> 02:07:00,232
setbacks for that district. So

4090
02:07:00,232 --> 02:07:01,733
this map shows you right-hand

4091
02:07:01,733 --> 02:07:04,133
side, you have those 6

4092
02:07:04,903 --> 02:07:06,672
districts that we listed. And

4093
02:07:06,672 --> 02:07:09,672
then those districts are shown

4094
02:07:10,750 --> 02:07:12,430
on red. We also sifted out any

4095
02:07:12,430 --> 02:07:14,443
properties less than 5 acres.

4096
02:07:14,947 --> 02:07:16,816
So the best way I can describe

4097
02:07:16,816 --> 02:07:18,416
this to you isunities is what

4098
02:07:18,416 --> 02:07:19,484
this red map looks like or what

4099
02:07:19,484 --> 02:07:22,484
this red map sort of

4100
02:07:23,388 --> 02:07:25,788
illustrating. Again, one flag,

4101
02:07:28,827 --> 02:07:30,529
one pole. For flat type, we

4102
02:07:30,529 --> 02:07:33,265
added a definition for official

4103
02:07:33,265 --> 02:07:34,633
government flags. So again,

4104
02:07:34,633 --> 02:07:37,435
these standards only apply to

4105
02:07:37,435 --> 02:07:40,105
this kind of flag. We have

4106
02:07:40,105 --> 02:07:42,505
added a specific definition.

4107
02:07:42,541 --> 02:07:44,760
This is actually borrowed from

4108
02:07:44,760 --> 02:07:46,444
North Carolina General statutes.

4109
02:07:46,444 --> 02:07:49,848
So flags in this category would

4110
02:07:49,848 --> 02:07:51,750
be the flag of the us flags of

4111
02:07:51,750 --> 02:07:54,286
nations recognized by the us,

4112
02:07:54,286 --> 02:07:56,789
the North Carolina state flag.

4113
02:07:56,789 --> 02:08:00,580
Flag of a state or a territory

4114
02:08:00,580 --> 02:08:01,426
of the us and then number 5,

4115
02:08:01,426 --> 02:08:03,826
flags of political subdivisions,

4116
02:08:04,620 --> 02:08:07,662
essentially a county or a city

4117
02:08:08,934 --> 02:08:10,335
flag within the us. Some

4118
02:08:10,335 --> 02:08:12,735
additional standards that we

4119
02:08:12,872 --> 02:08:14,105
have added, um, it MAY have

4120
02:08:14,105 --> 02:08:16,505
indirect lighting. So again,

4121
02:08:17,309 --> 02:08:19,310
like from the ground up. Um, we

4122
02:08:19,310 --> 02:08:20,612
did add a measurement, which is

4123
02:08:20,612 --> 02:08:20,812
1 ft candle. Again, that

4124
02:08:20,812 --> 02:08:22,812
s very

4125
02:08:25,317 --> 02:08:27,252
dim. Um Another, another piece

4126
02:08:27,252 --> 02:08:29,254
that we added in is that the

4127
02:08:29,254 --> 02:08:31,156
flagpole in the flag has to be

4128
02:08:31,156 --> 02:08:34,250
an accessory to a primary use.

4129
02:08:34,250 --> 02:08:34,994
So what that means is a vacant

4130
02:08:34,994 --> 02:08:37,163
property would not qualify for

4131
02:08:37,163 --> 02:08:39,432
a flag. It has to have a

4132
02:08:39,432 --> 02:08:41,133
primary use, a restaurant, a

4133
02:08:41,133 --> 02:08:42,668
store, a car wash. Um, of

4134
02:08:42,668 --> 02:08:43,668
course, the flagpole and the

4135
02:08:43,668 --> 02:08:46,606
flag have to remain in good

4136
02:08:46,606 --> 02:08:48,273
repair. And then the last piece,

4137
02:08:48,273 --> 02:08:50,800
um, this is not an uncommon

4138
02:08:50,800 --> 02:08:52,111
rule. Um, the flagpole does

4139
02:08:52,111 --> 02:08:53,478
have to be located 100 ft from

4140
02:08:53,478 --> 02:08:54,814
the intersection of two streets,

4141
02:08:54,814 --> 02:08:56,381
and it showed you on my plot

4142
02:08:56,381 --> 02:08:57,216
plan, it

4143
02:08:57,216 --> 02:08:59,616
s about 220 ft from

4144
02:09:02,354 --> 02:09:05,354
the intersection. This is just

4145
02:09:05,858 --> 02:09:07,793
a a very distilled version to

4146
02:09:07,793 --> 02:09:09,127
compare the differences, uh,

4147
02:09:09,127 --> 02:09:10,696
between the two separate

4148
02:09:10,696 --> 02:09:13,999
requests. So the camp in World

4149
02:09:13,999 --> 02:09:15,968
request is in the center cities,

4150
02:09:15,968 --> 02:09:18,337
uh, request is on the

4151
02:09:18,337 --> 02:09:20,372
right-hand side. Again, we have

4152
02:09:20,372 --> 02:09:22,307
distilled it down from just a

4153
02:09:22,307 --> 02:09:23,776
non-commercial flag to an

4154
02:09:23,776 --> 02:09:24,243
official government flag. Um,

4155
02:09:24,243 --> 02:09:26,243
we, we

4156
02:09:27,450 --> 02:09:29,810
ve reduced it from 16

4157
02:09:29,810 --> 02:09:29,748
districts to 6, reduced it down

4158
02:09:29,748 --> 02:09:31,417
to one flag. We

4159
02:09:31,417 --> 02:09:33,510
ve also added

4160
02:09:33,510 --> 02:09:33,319
in a minimum lot size, you

4161
02:09:33,319 --> 02:09:34,953
re

4162
02:09:34,953 --> 02:09:36,355
gonna have to get zoning

4163
02:09:36,355 --> 02:09:36,555
approval. And again, we

4164
02:09:36,555 --> 02:09:38,555
ve also

4165
02:09:40,760 --> 02:09:42,127
added setbacks as well. A

4166
02:09:42,127 --> 02:09:45,630
comparison of just if you

4167
02:09:45,630 --> 02:09:45,565
looked at the zoning itself and

4168
02:09:45,565 --> 02:09:46,766
how it

4169
02:09:46,766 --> 02:09:46,965
s symbolized um camp in

4170
02:09:46,965 --> 02:09:48,133
World

4171
02:09:48,133 --> 02:09:50,469
s request would be on the

4172
02:09:50,469 --> 02:09:51,837
left-hand side. So again, all

4173
02:09:51,837 --> 02:09:53,772
of those uh red properties,

4174
02:09:53,772 --> 02:09:56,675
again, you could sort of look

4175
02:09:56,675 --> 02:09:56,975
at those as opportunities and

4176
02:09:56,975 --> 02:09:58,975
then staff

4177
02:09:59,145 --> 02:10:01,145
s request, again,

4178
02:10:01,981 --> 02:10:03,516
6th districts at least 5, acres

4179
02:10:03,516 --> 02:10:06,318
in size. And then just to give

4180
02:10:06,318 --> 02:10:09,540
you some trivia, um, Camping

4181
02:10:09,540 --> 02:10:12,540
World, uh, request included a

4182
02:10:13,825 --> 02:10:14,260
most Um, 1250 parcels. The

4183
02:10:14,260 --> 02:10:15,794
city

4184
02:10:15,794 --> 02:10:18,300
s request is less than 300

4185
02:10:18,300 --> 02:10:19,365
parcels. So again, to give you

4186
02:10:19,365 --> 02:10:22,365
the difference in lessening the

4187
02:10:26,439 --> 02:10:26,549
opportunity. So in staff

4188
02:10:26,549 --> 02:10:28,549
s

4189
02:10:29,241 --> 02:10:31,143
opinion, um, this text

4190
02:10:31,143 --> 02:10:33,790
amendment is in compliance with

4191
02:10:33,790 --> 02:10:34,513
the Horizons plan specifically

4192
02:10:34,513 --> 02:10:36,480
chapter one, Building great

4193
02:10:36,480 --> 02:10:38,951
places. I am not going to read

4194
02:10:38,951 --> 02:10:40,853
all of this to you, just to

4195
02:10:40,853 --> 02:10:43,355
distill it very simply. This is

4196
02:10:43,355 --> 02:10:45,124
talking about the, the visual

4197
02:10:45,124 --> 02:10:46,825
appeal of your street, the

4198
02:10:46,825 --> 02:10:49,225
aesthetics. That is essentially

4199
02:10:49,528 --> 02:10:49,795
what this is getting at. And so

4200
02:10:49,795 --> 02:10:50,963
in staff

4201
02:10:50,963 --> 02:10:52,531
s opinion, this text

4202
02:10:52,531 --> 02:10:55,531
amendment does meet the intent

4203
02:10:57,736 --> 02:11:00,390
of this. Little unusual, so in

4204
02:11:00,390 --> 02:11:00,873
FEBRUARY, uh, planning and

4205
02:11:00,873 --> 02:11:03,273
zoning recommended denial 5 to

4206
02:11:05,110 --> 02:11:07,513
4. Of the request and then they

4207
02:11:07,513 --> 02:11:09,480
also made a subsequent motion,

4208
02:11:09,480 --> 02:11:10,149
and this was unanimous to

4209
02:11:10,149 --> 02:11:12,549
recommend a council a

4210
02:11:13,819 --> 02:11:15,788
modification. To the text

4211
02:11:15,788 --> 02:11:18,188
amendment. Essentially that the

4212
02:11:18,458 --> 02:11:20,726
maximum flag size should not

4213
02:11:20,726 --> 02:11:22,294
exceed 760 square feet. Where

4214
02:11:22,294 --> 02:11:24,229
that number comes from is tied

4215
02:11:24,229 --> 02:11:24,330
back to flag code. So that

4216
02:11:24,330 --> 02:11:26,330
s

4217
02:11:26,666 --> 02:11:29,535
where the 760 square feet comes

4218
02:11:29,535 --> 02:11:31,236
from. And again, this goes back

4219
02:11:31,236 --> 02:11:34,236
to flag, um, etiquette and

4220
02:11:34,673 --> 02:11:37,900
decorum. And then I just want

4221
02:11:37,900 --> 02:11:38,611
to give you the next steps if

4222
02:11:38,611 --> 02:11:40,379
you approve this request, um,

4223
02:11:40,379 --> 02:11:41,948
the next steps would be

4224
02:11:41,948 --> 02:11:44,160
obviously camp and world would

4225
02:11:44,160 --> 02:11:45,217
have to apply for a zoning

4226
02:11:45,217 --> 02:11:48,817
permit that would also have to

4227
02:11:49,688 --> 02:11:51,223
go back through the the.

4228
02:11:51,223 --> 02:11:52,591
Building permit process, um,

4229
02:11:52,591 --> 02:11:54,250
there would be inspections and

4230
02:11:54,250 --> 02:11:55,270
then hopefully at the very end,

4231
02:11:55,270 --> 02:11:57,630
if they jump through all the

4232
02:11:57,630 --> 02:11:59,966
hoops, they would obtain a

4233
02:11:59,966 --> 02:12:00,499
certificate of compliance. And

4234
02:12:00,499 --> 02:12:02,267
with that, I

4235
02:12:02,267 --> 02:12:02,835
m at the end of my

4236
02:12:02,835 --> 02:12:03,435
slides. I

4237
02:12:03,435 --> 02:12:05,871
ll be glad to answer

4238
02:12:05,871 --> 02:12:08,174
any questions. How many, uh,

4239
02:12:08,174 --> 02:12:09,700
how long of a process is it

4240
02:12:09,700 --> 02:12:12,607
once they apply for the new

4241
02:12:15,514 --> 02:12:16,515
permits. Typically. If, um, the

4242
02:12:16,515 --> 02:12:18,150
zoning permit process is fairly

4243
02:12:18,150 --> 02:12:19,518
quick. I mean, we

4244
02:12:19,518 --> 02:12:21,187
re talking 24

4245
02:12:21,187 --> 02:12:22,921
hour turnaround. Building

4246
02:12:22,921 --> 02:12:24,423
permit, again, if they give us

4247
02:12:24,423 --> 02:12:26,292
everything that we need this,

4248
02:12:26,292 --> 02:12:27,893
this can be done within a

4249
02:12:27,893 --> 02:12:28,894
business week, even sooner if

4250
02:12:28,894 --> 02:12:30,662
they give us everything that we

4251
02:12:30,662 --> 02:12:32,131
need. So this would not be a

4252
02:12:32,131 --> 02:12:32,832
long drawn out process. So

4253
02:12:32,832 --> 02:12:33,465
essentially they could probably

4254
02:12:33,465 --> 02:12:36,465
complete each of these steps

4255
02:12:36,535 --> 02:12:38,571
within a week. Yes. Ok. Thank

4256
02:12:38,571 --> 02:12:40,571
you. Councilor Blackburn.

4257
02:12:42,575 --> 02:12:43,842
Couple of questions. So, um,

4258
02:12:43,842 --> 02:12:46,445
The uh suggestion from planning

4259
02:12:46,445 --> 02:12:48,481
and zoning, uh, to abide by the

4260
02:12:48,481 --> 02:12:52,810
flag code at 760 square feet. I

4261
02:12:54,353 --> 02:12:55,421
appreciated. But My

4262
02:12:55,421 --> 02:12:56,622
understanding is that the flag

4263
02:12:56,622 --> 02:12:56,789
was put up and the flag

4264
02:12:56,789 --> 02:12:58,789
s not

4265
02:12:59,225 --> 02:13:02,825
going anywhere. So in some ways,

4266
02:13:03,329 --> 02:13:06,198
Is it, is it fair to say that

4267
02:13:06,198 --> 02:13:06,298
the. Text amendment that we

4268
02:13:06,298 --> 02:13:08,298
re

4269
02:13:08,367 --> 02:13:09,802
presenting and that we are

4270
02:13:09,802 --> 02:13:10,769
considering tonight is done to

4271
02:13:10,769 --> 02:13:10,870
cover a situation that

4272
02:13:10,870 --> 02:13:12,380
s

4273
02:13:12,380 --> 02:13:15,638
already in place. Is that a

4274
02:13:15,808 --> 02:13:17,643
fair statement? This will

4275
02:13:17,643 --> 02:13:20,880
remedy that situation as far as

4276
02:13:20,880 --> 02:13:23,480
getting them. With the

4277
02:13:23,480 --> 02:13:25,170
regulations in place. That they

4278
02:13:25,170 --> 02:13:26,719
could go through the next steps,

4279
02:13:26,719 --> 02:13:27,185
the, the permits I spoke about

4280
02:13:27,185 --> 02:13:27,487
earlier, and I don

4281
02:13:27,487 --> 02:13:29,487
t want to

4282
02:13:29,889 --> 02:13:30,323
put you on the spot and ask you

4283
02:13:30,323 --> 02:13:31,323
something you can

4284
02:13:31,323 --> 02:13:31,490
t answer, but

4285
02:13:31,490 --> 02:13:31,990
let

4286
02:13:31,990 --> 02:13:33,225
s say, let

4287
02:13:33,225 --> 02:13:34,259
s say we approve

4288
02:13:34,259 --> 02:13:35,794
this and they

4289
02:13:35,794 --> 02:13:37,663
ve got more

4290
02:13:37,663 --> 02:13:38,397
additional hoops, additional,

4291
02:13:38,397 --> 02:13:39,970
uh, uh requirements they should

4292
02:13:39,970 --> 02:13:40,500
should do and let

4293
02:13:40,500 --> 02:13:42,500
s say that

4294
02:13:44,470 --> 02:13:46,305
they yet again fill out uh uh

4295
02:13:46,305 --> 02:13:47,773
uh a false building permit

4296
02:13:47,773 --> 02:13:49,800
request and they erect some

4297
02:13:49,800 --> 02:13:51,844
other kind of flag or do some

4298
02:13:51,844 --> 02:13:54,213
other kind of step. Have, have,

4299
02:13:54,213 --> 02:13:55,614
has so far has our staff been

4300
02:13:55,614 --> 02:13:58,550
able to get compliance with any

4301
02:13:58,550 --> 02:13:59,185
city codes. In any city

4302
02:13:59,185 --> 02:14:01,585
ordinances in regarding this

4303
02:14:05,570 --> 02:14:09,257
flag. I, I will speak to the

4304
02:14:10,290 --> 02:14:13,629
last. Step that we have had

4305
02:14:14,400 --> 02:14:15,901
with them in good faith would

4306
02:14:15,901 --> 02:14:18,671
be the citations that they paid

4307
02:14:18,671 --> 02:14:19,739
near the beginning of when they

4308
02:14:19,739 --> 02:14:21,708
were receiving violations, and

4309
02:14:21,708 --> 02:14:24,760
since then staff has not had

4310
02:14:24,760 --> 02:14:25,911
any feedback from Camping World,

4311
02:14:25,911 --> 02:14:27,911
any communication whatsoever.

4312
02:14:27,914 --> 02:14:28,547
And about how much, uh, uh, in

4313
02:14:28,547 --> 02:14:30,116
citations have they accrued

4314
02:14:30,116 --> 02:14:33,716
already? I have a slide for

4315
02:14:36,550 --> 02:14:36,255
that. So as of today, um,

4316
02:14:36,255 --> 02:14:38,255
they

4317
02:14:39,324 --> 02:14:42,228
ve been cited a total of

4318
02:14:42,228 --> 02:14:44,196
uh almost $9000. They paid 650

4319
02:14:44,196 --> 02:14:44,864
which covers the 1st 4

4320
02:14:44,864 --> 02:14:45,300
citations and then since then

4321
02:14:45,300 --> 02:14:47,300
it

4322
02:14:47,330 --> 02:14:49,335
s been quiet. Thank you. And

4323
02:14:49,335 --> 02:14:50,870
then one last question. Um, I

4324
02:14:50,870 --> 02:14:53,205
think when, when we first

4325
02:14:53,205 --> 02:14:54,907
considered doing some, you know,

4326
02:14:54,907 --> 02:14:57,143
requesting to see some kind of

4327
02:14:57,143 --> 02:14:58,177
text amendment. We have the

4328
02:14:58,177 --> 02:14:59,578
understanding that it could be

4329
02:14:59,578 --> 02:14:59,846
limited to a us flag. It looks

4330
02:14:59,846 --> 02:15:00,713
like that

4331
02:15:00,713 --> 02:15:02,682
s not the case with

4332
02:15:02,682 --> 02:15:04,517
this current amendment. It is

4333
02:15:04,517 --> 02:15:05,217
any flag of any nation

4334
02:15:05,217 --> 02:15:07,486
recognized by the United States.

4335
02:15:07,486 --> 02:15:08,254
Is that right? Within the

4336
02:15:08,254 --> 02:15:08,788
definition, yes, ma

4337
02:15:08,788 --> 02:15:08,988
am. So

4338
02:15:08,988 --> 02:15:10,988
that

4339
02:15:12,910 --> 02:15:14,260
s, uh, a 3200 square foot

4340
02:15:14,260 --> 02:15:15,562
flag that can be put up on a

4341
02:15:15,562 --> 02:15:16,428
5-acre parcel within these 6

4342
02:15:16,428 --> 02:15:19,428
zoning districts could be a

4343
02:15:21,266 --> 02:15:23,666
Russian flag. Canadian flag.

4344
02:15:25,605 --> 02:15:27,940
Flag of the European Union. A

4345
02:15:27,940 --> 02:15:28,908
flag of Colombia. Am I right?

4346
02:15:28,908 --> 02:15:29,409
Any of these flags would be

4347
02:15:29,409 --> 02:15:30,143
permissible. You

4348
02:15:30,143 --> 02:15:32,143
re correct. Ok.

4349
02:15:34,947 --> 02:15:37,517
Thank you. Well they need to

4350
02:15:37,517 --> 02:15:38,184
pay the citations before. Um,

4351
02:15:38,184 --> 02:15:40,520
filling out the new application.

4352
02:15:40,520 --> 02:15:42,520
I don

4353
02:15:42,588 --> 02:15:45,324
t think we can hold them

4354
02:15:45,324 --> 02:15:46,993
to that, um, but we certainly

4355
02:15:46,993 --> 02:15:49,529
would accept their payment. And

4356
02:15:49,529 --> 02:15:51,964
we would accept their permits.

4357
02:15:51,964 --> 02:15:54,670
You know, we would, we would

4358
02:15:54,670 --> 02:15:56,602
need to pursue our normal

4359
02:15:56,602 --> 02:15:57,403
collection procedures. Which

4360
02:15:57,403 --> 02:15:58,404
would include continuing to

4361
02:15:58,404 --> 02:16:00,804
build for the outstanding

4362
02:16:00,906 --> 02:16:02,906
balances. With include

4363
02:16:03,175 --> 02:16:05,100
penalties and interest. Uh, to

4364
02:16:05,100 --> 02:16:05,511
that, and if that does not

4365
02:16:05,511 --> 02:16:05,878
suffice, then we

4366
02:16:05,878 --> 02:16:08,278
d have to take

4367
02:16:09,490 --> 02:16:09,148
additional measures. What I

4368
02:16:09,148 --> 02:16:11,117
m

4369
02:16:11,117 --> 02:16:14,117
sorry, what are the normal

4370
02:16:15,870 --> 02:16:18,870
procedures for a business that

4371
02:16:19,920 --> 02:16:20,920
With, um Have a construction

4372
02:16:20,920 --> 02:16:20,593
project against city ordinances

4373
02:16:20,593 --> 02:16:21,594
that didn

4374
02:16:21,594 --> 02:16:21,728
t have a flag. Let

4375
02:16:21,728 --> 02:16:21,894
s,

4376
02:16:21,894 --> 02:16:22,728
let

4377
02:16:22,728 --> 02:16:26,328
s forget about the flag for

4378
02:16:26,332 --> 02:16:28,134
a second. If this was another

4379
02:16:28,134 --> 02:16:29,368
business that constructed

4380
02:16:29,368 --> 02:16:31,270
130-foot structure and, and,

4381
02:16:31,270 --> 02:16:32,438
and did nothing. What would the,

4382
02:16:32,438 --> 02:16:35,438
what would our normal procedure

4383
02:16:40,680 --> 02:16:41,881
look like? To just add a little

4384
02:16:41,881 --> 02:16:45,481
sort of divvy between this, um,

4385
02:16:46,860 --> 02:16:48,487
you know, this flagpole and

4386
02:16:48,487 --> 02:16:49,389
this flag arrived overnight,

4387
02:16:49,389 --> 02:16:51,389
typically a construction

4388
02:16:51,857 --> 02:16:53,459
project is built out in phases

4389
02:16:53,459 --> 02:16:53,993
and there are many things that

4390
02:16:53,993 --> 02:16:54,327
happen, you know, you

4391
02:16:54,327 --> 02:16:55,728
re going

4392
02:16:55,728 --> 02:16:55,995
to put things in the ground,

4393
02:16:55,995 --> 02:16:56,729
then you

4394
02:16:56,729 --> 02:16:57,696
re gonna frame it and

4395
02:16:57,696 --> 02:16:59,980
then you

4396
02:16:59,980 --> 02:17:01,167
re gonna do x. And as

4397
02:17:01,167 --> 02:17:03,200
you go through that process and

4398
02:17:03,200 --> 02:17:05,338
we realize something is wrong,

4399
02:17:05,338 --> 02:17:06,206
then we can do or, or Chief

4400
02:17:06,206 --> 02:17:06,405
building inspector can do

4401
02:17:06,405 --> 02:17:08,405
what

4402
02:17:08,607 --> 02:17:11,176
s called a stop work order.

4403
02:17:11,176 --> 02:17:12,178
And essentially stop you, pause

4404
02:17:12,178 --> 02:17:15,178
you from getting yourself any

4405
02:17:16,683 --> 02:17:19,652
deeper. This situation is much

4406
02:17:19,652 --> 02:17:22,520
different because this happened

4407
02:17:22,488 --> 02:17:25,488
in one afternoon, um, but

4408
02:17:25,758 --> 02:17:27,259
typically we do have, um,

4409
02:17:27,259 --> 02:17:28,595
Safeguards so that when

4410
02:17:28,595 --> 02:17:30,296
something does start to go off

4411
02:17:30,296 --> 02:17:32,432
the rails or we find something

4412
02:17:32,432 --> 02:17:35,702
is going off the rails, we can

4413
02:17:35,702 --> 02:17:38,102
pause the construction. Thank

4414
02:17:39,139 --> 02:17:41,700
you. So if I understand, if we

4415
02:17:41,700 --> 02:17:42,909
pass this amendment, this does

4416
02:17:42,909 --> 02:17:44,510
not waive any penalties or fees

4417
02:17:44,510 --> 02:17:47,470
that they have accumulated and

4418
02:17:47,470 --> 02:17:49,348
will continue to accumulate. If

4419
02:17:49,348 --> 02:17:50,850
we approve this and they get a

4420
02:17:50,850 --> 02:17:51,851
building permit approved. It

4421
02:17:51,851 --> 02:17:54,120
was continued to accrue up

4422
02:17:54,120 --> 02:17:55,188
until that point, right? I

4423
02:17:55,188 --> 02:17:56,989
think what would happen is, is

4424
02:17:56,989 --> 02:17:58,258
we would have two different

4425
02:17:58,258 --> 02:18:01,600
strains, and what I mean by

4426
02:18:01,600 --> 02:18:02,328
that is, is if you approve this

4427
02:18:02,328 --> 02:18:04,164
text amendment tonight. The

4428
02:18:04,164 --> 02:18:06,232
issue with the size of the flag

4429
02:18:06,232 --> 02:18:09,832
stops, right? Then they have to

4430
02:18:10,203 --> 02:18:12,271
start the Permit process for

4431
02:18:12,271 --> 02:18:12,472
set flag, and then and so

4432
02:18:12,472 --> 02:18:13,372
that

4433
02:18:13,372 --> 02:18:16,476
s where we kind of hit a

4434
02:18:16,476 --> 02:18:17,910
soft stop. But then they still

4435
02:18:17,910 --> 02:18:20,313
have to pick up the next step,

4436
02:18:20,313 --> 02:18:21,647
which is to apply for the

4437
02:18:21,647 --> 02:18:25,247
permits. The fines for the size

4438
02:18:25,518 --> 02:18:26,920
of the flat would stop. And

4439
02:18:26,920 --> 02:18:29,255
With the new permit that we

4440
02:18:29,255 --> 02:18:30,757
required to submit this passes.

4441
02:18:30,757 --> 02:18:31,240
Then they had to submit an

4442
02:18:31,240 --> 02:18:32,792
engineer

4443
02:18:32,792 --> 02:18:34,627
s report, which puts

4444
02:18:34,627 --> 02:18:36,128
the engineer on the hook

4445
02:18:36,128 --> 02:18:37,970
liability wise if something in

4446
02:18:37,970 --> 02:18:40,970
the flag fails the schematic

4447
02:18:41,767 --> 02:18:42,101
drawing. Yeah Yes, the safety

4448
02:18:42,101 --> 02:18:43,202
issue. That

4449
02:18:43,202 --> 02:18:43,569
s right, and that

4450
02:18:43,569 --> 02:18:44,604
s

4451
02:18:44,604 --> 02:18:45,104
on the building uh code side,

4452
02:18:45,104 --> 02:18:46,539
but yes, you

4453
02:18:46,539 --> 02:18:46,739
re correct,

4454
02:18:46,739 --> 02:18:48,739
they

4455
02:18:49,476 --> 02:18:49,776
ll have to provide, um,

4456
02:18:49,776 --> 02:18:51,776
either an

4457
02:18:51,811 --> 02:18:52,780
built. Right, of

4458
02:18:52,780 --> 02:18:54,780
what they

4459
02:18:54,947 --> 02:18:56,115
ve done. Or Stardier,

4460
02:18:56,115 --> 02:18:56,950
which is probably not the route

4461
02:18:56,950 --> 02:18:57,416
they would. So, you

4462
02:18:57,416 --> 02:18:58,150
re not just

4463
02:18:58,150 --> 02:18:58,318
going have camping involved,

4464
02:18:58,318 --> 02:18:59,385
you

4465
02:18:59,385 --> 02:18:59,819
re going to have some

4466
02:18:59,819 --> 02:19:00,119
engineer who

4467
02:19:00,119 --> 02:19:02,119
s putting his

4468
02:19:02,621 --> 02:19:03,589
signature. Sign and stamped. In

4469
02:19:03,589 --> 02:19:03,690
terms of liabilities, you

4470
02:19:03,690 --> 02:19:05,910
ve

4471
02:19:05,910 --> 02:19:08,691
got more than just one person,

4472
02:19:09,829 --> 02:19:11,865
just, ok, thank you. Having

4473
02:19:11,865 --> 02:19:14,201
said that, um, with it being a

4474
02:19:14,201 --> 02:19:16,736
building permit, uh, we do know

4475
02:19:16,736 --> 02:19:19,505
that, that this particular flag

4476
02:19:19,505 --> 02:19:20,600
has not been inspected. Right.

4477
02:19:20,600 --> 02:19:21,541
Yes, ma

4478
02:19:21,541 --> 02:19:24,541
am. Um, with that being

4479
02:19:25,845 --> 02:19:28,845
said. Uh, the application was

4480
02:19:33,860 --> 02:19:34,554
for. Uh, 70 ft and we do have.

4481
02:19:34,554 --> 02:19:36,189
Um, foundational requirements

4482
02:19:36,189 --> 02:19:40,250
for the what we have in our

4483
02:19:40,250 --> 02:19:42,250
current ordinance. State

4484
02:19:42,428 --> 02:19:44,464
building code has the specs for

4485
02:19:44,464 --> 02:19:46,499
the height of the flagpole and

4486
02:19:46,499 --> 02:19:47,467
then what was required

4487
02:19:47,467 --> 02:19:47,633
underground essentially. Yes,

4488
02:19:47,633 --> 02:19:49,235
ma

4489
02:19:49,235 --> 02:19:49,569
am. Um, it

4490
02:19:49,569 --> 02:19:51,569
s a requirement

4491
02:19:53,239 --> 02:19:55,508
for The foundation, this

4492
02:19:55,508 --> 02:19:57,908
underground for 130 ft flag.

4493
02:19:58,878 --> 02:20:00,747
Ask me a question one more time.

4494
02:20:00,747 --> 02:20:04,584
So is that to, has that been

4495
02:20:04,584 --> 02:20:05,451
adjusted to scale. For 130 ft

4496
02:20:05,451 --> 02:20:05,551
flag that this is what

4497
02:20:05,551 --> 02:20:07,551
s

4498
02:20:08,988 --> 02:20:11,388
required. Definitely it adjusts

4499
02:20:11,891 --> 02:20:13,393
as the height of the flagpole

4500
02:20:13,393 --> 02:20:14,361
increases. Do we have that

4501
02:20:14,361 --> 02:20:14,761
information? No, ma

4502
02:20:14,761 --> 02:20:16,761
am. That

4503
02:20:17,564 --> 02:20:18,498
would be part of the, the new

4504
02:20:18,498 --> 02:20:20,660
building permit that an

4505
02:20:20,660 --> 02:20:23,660
engineer would have to stamp

4506
02:20:23,403 --> 02:20:25,304
saying that it, it meets the,

4507
02:20:25,304 --> 02:20:27,907
the building code. So with that

4508
02:20:27,907 --> 02:20:29,643
being said, How are we to know

4509
02:20:29,643 --> 02:20:32,679
for a flag that has already

4510
02:20:32,679 --> 02:20:35,679
been erected. That what they

4511
02:20:36,282 --> 02:20:39,882
have. Meats what would be then

4512
02:20:40,186 --> 02:20:41,870
required. Um, I, I don

4513
02:20:41,870 --> 02:20:43,870
t want

4514
02:20:43,490 --> 02:20:44,624
to steal his thunder. We have

4515
02:20:44,624 --> 02:20:46,493
the chief building inspector

4516
02:20:46,493 --> 02:20:48,861
who told me this stuff this

4517
02:20:48,861 --> 02:20:50,263
afternoon, and I think he can

4518
02:20:50,263 --> 02:20:52,298
very eloquently explain it

4519
02:20:52,298 --> 02:20:54,567
better than I can on how that

4520
02:20:54,567 --> 02:20:56,102
can be done. Ok. Ground

4521
02:20:56,102 --> 02:20:58,502
penetrating radar, right? I

4522
02:21:00,907 --> 02:21:03,343
just need to know. Hey, how

4523
02:21:03,343 --> 02:21:04,310
often, how often do we get the

4524
02:21:04,310 --> 02:21:06,246
chief building inspector. This

4525
02:21:06,246 --> 02:21:08,810
is, this is your moment to

4526
02:21:08,810 --> 02:21:09,683
shine right here. I gave her

4527
02:21:09,683 --> 02:21:10,517
all the information today, um,

4528
02:21:10,517 --> 02:21:12,510
would you ask that one more

4529
02:21:12,510 --> 02:21:14,510
time? I

4530
02:21:15,355 --> 02:21:16,857
m sorry. So, um, the

4531
02:21:16,857 --> 02:21:18,725
request was made for what we

4532
02:21:18,725 --> 02:21:20,660
have in ordinance right now

4533
02:21:20,660 --> 02:21:23,600
with the foundation that

4534
02:21:23,763 --> 02:21:24,164
supports that, um, we

4535
02:21:24,164 --> 02:21:26,164
ve done

4536
02:21:26,600 --> 02:21:28,735
or presented this text

4537
02:21:28,735 --> 02:21:31,735
amendment to allow what they

4538
02:21:33,139 --> 02:21:34,741
have already erected. And which

4539
02:21:34,741 --> 02:21:36,943
would require a different

4540
02:21:36,943 --> 02:21:39,445
foundation to support that for

4541
02:21:39,445 --> 02:21:41,414
safety purposes, right? So how

4542
02:21:41,414 --> 02:21:43,717
do we know since that has

4543
02:21:43,717 --> 02:21:44,117
already been erected that.

4544
02:21:44,117 --> 02:21:44,684
Basically there

4545
02:21:44,684 --> 02:21:47,840
s a number of

4546
02:21:47,120 --> 02:21:47,987
ways of doing that they could

4547
02:21:47,987 --> 02:21:50,387
use ground penetrating radar

4548
02:21:51,240 --> 02:21:52,392
they could do that. Um, they

4549
02:21:52,392 --> 02:21:53,793
could possibly do they MAY have

4550
02:21:53,793 --> 02:21:54,794
taken pictures when they put

4551
02:21:54,794 --> 02:21:54,895
this flagpole in, we just don

4552
02:21:54,895 --> 02:21:56,895
t

4553
02:21:57,197 --> 02:21:58,865
know about it. They MAY have

4554
02:21:58,865 --> 02:22:00,834
already had that information.

4555
02:22:00,834 --> 02:22:01,968
Um, the building code or state

4556
02:22:01,968 --> 02:22:03,170
code does allow for an engineer

4557
02:22:03,170 --> 02:22:05,672
to sign off on some concrete

4558
02:22:05,672 --> 02:22:07,730
work. That stuff they MAY have

4559
02:22:07,730 --> 02:22:07,374
already had all this done and

4560
02:22:07,374 --> 02:22:09,374
just haven

4561
02:22:09,610 --> 02:22:11,440
t provided with us.

4562
02:22:11,440 --> 02:22:13,613
But we would require engineered

4563
02:22:13,613 --> 02:22:14,481
documents, some type of

4564
02:22:14,481 --> 02:22:16,481
certification that the

4565
02:22:16,917 --> 02:22:19,520
foundation that is in place is

4566
02:22:19,520 --> 02:22:20,853
in fact what would be designed

4567
02:22:20,853 --> 02:22:22,289
for that flagpole for 130 ft

4568
02:22:22,289 --> 02:22:25,425
for our wind zone and the flag

4569
02:22:25,425 --> 02:22:26,693
size that would be on it. So MR.

4570
02:22:26,693 --> 02:22:29,495
Mills, would you also use the

4571
02:22:29,495 --> 02:22:30,196
construction order? That they

4572
02:22:30,196 --> 02:22:31,364
that they submitted to the

4573
02:22:31,364 --> 02:22:32,800
contract. We would use that.

4574
02:22:32,800 --> 02:22:34,301
Yes, that is correct when they,

4575
02:22:34,301 --> 02:22:36,736
when they submit a new set of

4576
02:22:36,736 --> 02:22:38,104
plans to us for the 1:30 that

4577
02:22:38,104 --> 02:22:39,739
will give us the details of

4578
02:22:39,739 --> 02:22:40,673
actually what will be required

4579
02:22:40,673 --> 02:22:42,109
for this flood and it would

4580
02:22:42,109 --> 02:22:42,843
come from, it would already

4581
02:22:42,843 --> 02:22:45,843
come engineered for our wind

4582
02:22:45,846 --> 02:22:46,379
zone, yes. Now I

4583
02:22:46,379 --> 02:22:48,115
m going to

4584
02:22:48,115 --> 02:22:49,583
potentially put you on the spot

4585
02:22:49,583 --> 02:22:49,682
and I apologize if, if, if it

4586
02:22:49,682 --> 02:22:51,682
s

4587
02:22:52,519 --> 02:22:53,987
not something you uh feel

4588
02:22:53,987 --> 02:22:56,387
comfortable answering just no

4589
02:22:56,856 --> 02:22:57,240
problem. Um, but given what

4590
02:22:57,240 --> 02:22:59,240
we

4591
02:22:59,259 --> 02:23:00,526
ve seen so far, the response

4592
02:23:00,526 --> 02:23:03,526
of this company to city

4593
02:23:04,300 --> 02:23:05,232
requests to comply. Do we have

4594
02:23:05,232 --> 02:23:06,266
a reasonable expectation that

4595
02:23:06,266 --> 02:23:06,866
if they don

4596
02:23:06,866 --> 02:23:08,635
t meet our

4597
02:23:08,635 --> 02:23:11,538
requirements for how that pole

4598
02:23:11,538 --> 02:23:12,205
should be engineered. Do we

4599
02:23:12,205 --> 02:23:13,606
have any reasonable expectation

4600
02:23:13,606 --> 02:23:16,900
that they will change it or

4601
02:23:16,900 --> 02:23:17,878
comply or bring it up to to

4602
02:23:17,878 --> 02:23:18,845
this code any more than they.

4603
02:23:18,845 --> 02:23:21,140
Did not bring it up to the

4604
02:23:21,140 --> 02:23:21,881
previous code. I

4605
02:23:21,881 --> 02:23:23,160
m glad you

4606
02:23:23,160 --> 02:23:23,950
allowed me to defer on this

4607
02:23:23,950 --> 02:23:24,284
question because I, I can

4608
02:23:24,284 --> 02:23:26,284
t

4609
02:23:26,586 --> 02:23:27,854
answer that one. Understood.

4610
02:23:27,854 --> 02:23:28,550
Ask a question. If they don

4611
02:23:28,550 --> 02:23:29,957
t

4612
02:23:29,957 --> 02:23:31,492
supply you with what you think

4613
02:23:31,492 --> 02:23:31,658
is a necessary materials, you

4614
02:23:31,658 --> 02:23:33,260
won

4615
02:23:33,260 --> 02:23:35,896
t issue the building permit.

4616
02:23:35,896 --> 02:23:36,620
Absolutely, that is correct. So

4617
02:23:36,620 --> 02:23:37,464
you

4618
02:23:37,464 --> 02:23:39,266
ve got to receive

4619
02:23:39,266 --> 02:23:41,666
information that you feel

4620
02:23:41,902 --> 02:23:42,468
satisfied that this foundation

4621
02:23:42,468 --> 02:23:43,203
satisfies the structural

4622
02:23:43,203 --> 02:23:43,903
engineering. That

4623
02:23:43,903 --> 02:23:45,572
s been given

4624
02:23:45,572 --> 02:23:47,700
to you by the engineer. Prior

4625
02:23:47,700 --> 02:23:48,475
to we would issue a building

4626
02:23:48,475 --> 02:23:49,509
permit we would have that

4627
02:23:49,509 --> 02:23:51,511
information and we would not

4628
02:23:51,511 --> 02:23:52,846
issue a certificate of

4629
02:23:52,846 --> 02:23:53,413
compliance until that data has

4630
02:23:53,413 --> 02:23:54,982
been provided to us

4631
02:23:54,982 --> 02:23:57,217
satisfactorily. So even though

4632
02:23:57,217 --> 02:24:00,520
we MAY we do pass this

4633
02:24:00,520 --> 02:24:01,221
amendment. Uh They will have a

4634
02:24:01,221 --> 02:24:02,556
billing permit unless they do

4635
02:24:02,556 --> 02:24:03,890
that, so that then they would

4636
02:24:03,890 --> 02:24:05,492
be in violation of the current

4637
02:24:05,492 --> 02:24:07,270
or the one we do amend if we do

4638
02:24:07,270 --> 02:24:08,829
amend it, correct? That is

4639
02:24:08,829 --> 02:24:10,297
correct. Thank you very much.

4640
02:24:10,297 --> 02:24:13,667
And if I MAY follow-up question

4641
02:24:13,667 --> 02:24:14,200
on that point of like just

4642
02:24:14,200 --> 02:24:14,468
process to COUNCILMAN

4643
02:24:14,468 --> 02:24:16,468
Robinson

4644
02:24:17,337 --> 02:24:18,304
s question. They, they

4645
02:24:18,304 --> 02:24:21,904
do not comply. They get this,

4646
02:24:22,509 --> 02:24:23,777
you know, failure to comply.

4647
02:24:23,777 --> 02:24:25,512
What happens then? Do we know

4648
02:24:25,512 --> 02:24:27,414
just in, in terms of the, the

4649
02:24:27,414 --> 02:24:28,949
process, what, what would

4650
02:24:28,949 --> 02:24:29,349
happen then if they do not

4651
02:24:29,349 --> 02:24:29,817
either don

4652
02:24:29,817 --> 02:24:30,784
t provide the

4653
02:24:30,784 --> 02:24:30,884
documents or they can

4654
02:24:30,884 --> 02:24:31,851
t

4655
02:24:31,851 --> 02:24:33,319
demonstrate that they comply

4656
02:24:33,319 --> 02:24:35,121
with our ordinance. They, they

4657
02:24:35,121 --> 02:24:37,190
get this failure to, to, to

4658
02:24:37,190 --> 02:24:37,991
comply with our ordinance, then

4659
02:24:37,991 --> 02:24:40,527
are we, what, what happens then?

4660
02:24:40,527 --> 02:24:41,829
There are avenues for that, and

4661
02:24:41,829 --> 02:24:45,980
I would have to refer to our

4662
02:24:45,980 --> 02:24:45,699
legal department for that. And

4663
02:24:45,699 --> 02:24:45,899
in the zoning context, if

4664
02:24:45,899 --> 02:24:46,600
there

4665
02:24:46,600 --> 02:24:48,202
s a failure to comply,

4666
02:24:48,202 --> 02:24:48,968
you issue a notice of violation

4667
02:24:48,968 --> 02:24:49,269
and you see if it

4668
02:24:49,269 --> 02:24:51,269
s the appeal

4669
02:24:51,872 --> 02:24:52,172
to the board of adjustment and

4670
02:24:52,172 --> 02:24:52,906
after that

4671
02:24:52,906 --> 02:24:54,207
s exhausted, they

4672
02:24:54,207 --> 02:24:55,242
could appeal to to this to the

4673
02:24:55,242 --> 02:24:56,476
superior court, but in this

4674
02:24:56,476 --> 02:24:56,576
instance, Captain World hadn

4675
02:24:56,576 --> 02:24:58,178
t

4676
02:24:58,178 --> 02:24:59,780
appealed anything, so. In terms

4677
02:24:59,780 --> 02:25:01,470
of the zoning violation, for

4678
02:25:01,470 --> 02:25:01,982
instance. We

4679
02:25:01,982 --> 02:25:03,150
re in a posture

4680
02:25:03,150 --> 02:25:03,784
where we can proceed

4681
02:25:03,784 --> 02:25:05,452
immediately to with legal

4682
02:25:05,452 --> 02:25:08,452
remedies, um. With the building

4683
02:25:08,455 --> 02:25:09,556
permit, I would. Um Uh,

4684
02:25:09,556 --> 02:25:10,357
deferred to my building

4685
02:25:10,357 --> 02:25:11,291
inspector about the the

4686
02:25:11,291 --> 02:25:12,692
remedies under state law there,

4687
02:25:12,692 --> 02:25:13,693
but there are there are state

4688
02:25:13,693 --> 02:25:14,427
law remedies for building

4689
02:25:14,427 --> 02:25:17,970
permit violations as well. So,

4690
02:25:17,970 --> 02:25:19,990
um. There are, I mean, there

4691
02:25:19,990 --> 02:25:19,666
there are some steps that we

4692
02:25:19,666 --> 02:25:20,567
could take, um, I

4693
02:25:20,567 --> 02:25:20,668
m, I

4694
02:25:20,668 --> 02:25:21,335
m

4695
02:25:21,335 --> 02:25:21,568
speaking very hypothetical and

4696
02:25:21,568 --> 02:25:22,836
I don

4697
02:25:22,836 --> 02:25:24,571
t like to make

4698
02:25:24,571 --> 02:25:25,638
hypothetical statements. Um,

4699
02:25:25,638 --> 02:25:26,720
but, but if you

4700
02:25:26,720 --> 02:25:27,974
re asking me,

4701
02:25:27,974 --> 02:25:30,811
we would, we would go a route

4702
02:25:30,811 --> 02:25:32,212
that would, would lead us down.

4703
02:25:32,212 --> 02:25:34,181
A pathway to possible

4704
02:25:34,181 --> 02:25:34,815
condemnation and that would

4705
02:25:34,815 --> 02:25:36,650
lead to some legal, I would

4706
02:25:36,650 --> 02:25:37,518
need to defer to our legal

4707
02:25:37,518 --> 02:25:38,652
department on on exactly what

4708
02:25:38,652 --> 02:25:40,200
steps we would take on that

4709
02:25:40,200 --> 02:25:41,521
that that that is right. If, if

4710
02:25:41,521 --> 02:25:42,322
they, if they do not comply

4711
02:25:42,322 --> 02:25:44,424
with the building, with a

4712
02:25:44,424 --> 02:25:46,590
building permit. At that point

4713
02:25:46,590 --> 02:25:46,293
in time after the if this

4714
02:25:46,293 --> 02:25:47,270
textin

4715
02:25:47,270 --> 02:25:48,328
s approved, you would go

4716
02:25:48,328 --> 02:25:49,830
down the road of legal action

4717
02:25:49,830 --> 02:25:51,970
through a condemnation. And

4718
02:25:51,970 --> 02:25:54,134
does that go through board of

4719
02:25:54,134 --> 02:25:56,570
adjustment or is that something

4720
02:25:56,570 --> 02:25:59,570
city initiated? Ok. Ok. Thank

4721
02:25:59,706 --> 02:26:01,876
you very much. Have we had

4722
02:26:01,876 --> 02:26:04,276
situations where people have

4723
02:26:04,812 --> 02:26:05,212
filed permits and I guess not

4724
02:26:05,212 --> 02:26:05,879
done what they

4725
02:26:05,879 --> 02:26:07,381
re supposed to

4726
02:26:07,381 --> 02:26:10,550
do based off the permit that

4727
02:26:10,550 --> 02:26:14,150
they file. Yes. Is it pretty

4728
02:26:14,788 --> 02:26:16,723
common for. City staff. To come

4729
02:26:16,723 --> 02:26:19,226
up with a remedy to be able to

4730
02:26:19,226 --> 02:26:22,262
fix. What the issue is with the.

4731
02:26:22,262 --> 02:26:23,596
I guess violation of the permit

4732
02:26:23,596 --> 02:26:25,232
that they pulled. I would say a

4733
02:26:25,232 --> 02:26:28,832
majority of the time with that

4734
02:26:32,840 --> 02:26:34,841
would be yes. Ok. Thank you.

4735
02:26:34,841 --> 02:26:37,241
Any other questions, comments?

4736
02:26:40,814 --> 02:26:42,449
Mercy staff. You wanna do it

4737
02:26:42,449 --> 02:26:42,549
one more time, MISS Scooby? I

4738
02:26:42,549 --> 02:26:44,451
m

4739
02:26:44,451 --> 02:26:45,385
sorry, you want to do it one

4740
02:26:45,385 --> 02:26:46,200
more time? I, I, I

4741
02:26:46,200 --> 02:26:46,119
ve, I

4742
02:26:46,119 --> 02:26:47,755
ve

4743
02:26:47,755 --> 02:26:47,888
said it so much. I feel like

4744
02:26:47,888 --> 02:26:49,888
I

4745
02:26:51,158 --> 02:26:53,260
m just repeating it on uh, on,

4746
02:26:53,260 --> 02:26:56,129
on replay. Thank you. Thank you

4747
02:26:56,129 --> 02:26:59,129
very much. Public hearing, you

4748
02:26:59,433 --> 02:27:00,767
got a question. Ok. One more

4749
02:27:00,767 --> 02:27:03,403
question. Well, and this MAY be

4750
02:27:03,403 --> 02:27:06,273
not, not be from a scooby, but

4751
02:27:06,273 --> 02:27:07,441
so if this does not Pass

4752
02:27:07,441 --> 02:27:09,841
tonight. What are the

4753
02:27:11,812 --> 02:27:12,513
ramifications. Um We as

4754
02:27:12,513 --> 02:27:14,248
planning would continue to

4755
02:27:14,248 --> 02:27:14,447
issue the notice of violations.

4756
02:27:14,447 --> 02:27:14,782
That

4757
02:27:14,782 --> 02:27:16,283
s, that

4758
02:27:16,283 --> 02:27:18,683
s where this sends

4759
02:27:19,887 --> 02:27:20,921
us because we, um, For us in my

4760
02:27:20,921 --> 02:27:21,455
little world, it

4761
02:27:21,455 --> 02:27:23,455
s a zoning

4762
02:27:23,590 --> 02:27:27,190
issue, so we would continue as

4763
02:27:28,195 --> 02:27:29,663
we have. So legally, where

4764
02:27:29,663 --> 02:27:32,266
would we be, I do believe it

4765
02:27:32,266 --> 02:27:34,735
brings up another question. Of

4766
02:27:34,735 --> 02:27:36,403
what type of action uh do we

4767
02:27:36,403 --> 02:27:38,872
pursue if this does not pass.

4768
02:27:38,872 --> 02:27:41,700
And uh, I think we would have

4769
02:27:41,700 --> 02:27:43,244
to seek the the guidance of our

4770
02:27:43,244 --> 02:27:43,944
in-house counsel. From a legal

4771
02:27:43,944 --> 02:27:45,979
perspective of what that would

4772
02:27:45,979 --> 02:27:46,213
look like. If it doesn

4773
02:27:46,213 --> 02:27:48,213
t pass,

4774
02:27:49,160 --> 02:27:50,551
we, we. Council has the right

4775
02:27:50,551 --> 02:27:51,419
to go on to close session of

4776
02:27:51,419 --> 02:27:53,419
attorney-client privilege to

4777
02:27:54,688 --> 02:27:55,756
talk about legal remedies if Or

4778
02:27:55,756 --> 02:27:57,291
violations of zoning violations,

4779
02:27:57,291 --> 02:27:57,458
building code violations, um.

4780
02:27:57,458 --> 02:27:58,920
You

4781
02:27:58,920 --> 02:27:59,726
re gonna impose penalties

4782
02:27:59,726 --> 02:28:01,962
as you know, you could also. A

4783
02:28:01,962 --> 02:28:03,230
lawsuit, but We could have

4784
02:28:03,230 --> 02:28:04,698
those, you, you have the right

4785
02:28:04,698 --> 02:28:05,332
to have those conversations in

4786
02:28:05,332 --> 02:28:08,332
closed session to talk about

4787
02:28:10,538 --> 02:28:11,438
legal remedies. And, and Does

4788
02:28:11,438 --> 02:28:14,842
that include the cost that the

4789
02:28:14,842 --> 02:28:17,244
city Would incur as far as

4790
02:28:17,244 --> 02:28:18,979
court fees, attorney fees, and

4791
02:28:18,979 --> 02:28:19,246
things like that in terms of

4792
02:28:19,246 --> 02:28:19,613
attorney

4793
02:28:19,613 --> 02:28:21,613
s office, most

4794
02:28:21,815 --> 02:28:22,316
litigation. We engage that

4795
02:28:22,316 --> 02:28:22,549
council because there

4796
02:28:22,549 --> 02:28:24,549
s just 3

4797
02:28:24,652 --> 02:28:28,220
of us and, um, so there would

4798
02:28:28,220 --> 02:28:29,256
be some cost. Uh, when we

4799
02:28:29,256 --> 02:28:31,656
pursue litigation, it just

4800
02:28:32,250 --> 02:28:34,425
costs involved typically. Thank

4801
02:28:35,596 --> 02:28:37,998
you. What a winning lawsuit. Uh,

4802
02:28:37,998 --> 02:28:39,133
when those costs back and uh

4803
02:28:39,133 --> 02:28:40,968
Not typically there are no

4804
02:28:40,968 --> 02:28:41,936
statutes. You know, you have to

4805
02:28:41,936 --> 02:28:43,604
have an attorney fee statute to

4806
02:28:43,604 --> 02:28:45,873
get it to recover your fees for

4807
02:28:45,873 --> 02:28:45,973
cities. General Assembly ain

4808
02:28:45,973 --> 02:28:47,973
t

4809
02:28:49,377 --> 02:28:49,843
giving us that much love

4810
02:28:49,843 --> 02:28:50,411
prevail, there

4811
02:28:50,411 --> 02:28:51,780
s no statute

4812
02:28:51,780 --> 02:28:54,780
typically that allows us to

4813
02:28:54,848 --> 02:28:55,849
recover fes. Council if I

4814
02:28:55,849 --> 02:28:58,850
understand my question counsel.

4815
02:28:58,850 --> 02:29:00,530
So if I understand currently.

4816
02:29:00,530 --> 02:29:00,721
County is getting ready to

4817
02:29:00,721 --> 02:29:02,220
undergo the electronic filing

4818
02:29:02,220 --> 02:29:02,923
system. That

4819
02:29:02,923 --> 02:29:05,191
s been put in

4820
02:29:05,191 --> 02:29:07,661
place all over North Carolina.

4821
02:29:07,661 --> 02:29:10,300
Where everything goes to paper.

4822
02:29:10,300 --> 02:29:10,931
My experience has been as a

4823
02:29:10,931 --> 02:29:13,331
litigator in another district

4824
02:29:15,135 --> 02:29:15,803
that that adds. Typically 2 to

4825
02:29:15,803 --> 02:29:17,400
34 months to the process

4826
02:29:17,400 --> 02:29:18,705
because they go from 20 to 300

4827
02:29:18,705 --> 02:29:19,340
on a docket to 50. We

4828
02:29:19,340 --> 02:29:21,340
re going

4829
02:29:21,775 --> 02:29:24,311
to that system. In APRIL, late

4830
02:29:24,311 --> 02:29:24,478
APRIL, full blow. And I know

4831
02:29:24,478 --> 02:29:25,812
it

4832
02:29:25,812 --> 02:29:26,680
s going to really drag our

4833
02:29:26,680 --> 02:29:27,810
court system down. It

4834
02:29:27,810 --> 02:29:27,314
s not

4835
02:29:27,314 --> 02:29:27,681
anybody

4836
02:29:27,681 --> 02:29:28,249
s fault. It

4837
02:29:28,249 --> 02:29:30,249
s just the

4838
02:29:32,286 --> 02:29:33,320
software that works. So I would

4839
02:29:33,320 --> 02:29:34,689
suggest probably in a case like

4840
02:29:34,689 --> 02:29:35,823
that, if we did seek litigation.

4841
02:29:35,823 --> 02:29:37,240
I

4842
02:29:37,240 --> 02:29:37,124
m going to suggest it

4843
02:29:37,124 --> 02:29:38,910
s

4844
02:29:38,910 --> 02:29:40,727
probably a year and a half or 2

4845
02:29:40,727 --> 02:29:42,296
year process. And I would say

4846
02:29:42,296 --> 02:29:44,298
probably in excess of a quarter

4847
02:29:44,298 --> 02:29:44,631
million dollars, if not more.

4848
02:29:44,631 --> 02:29:46,631
Yeah, that

4849
02:29:46,700 --> 02:29:48,135
s just my opinion.

4850
02:29:48,135 --> 02:29:49,736
But having been in the legal

4851
02:29:49,736 --> 02:29:49,837
system for almost 39 years, I

4852
02:29:49,837 --> 02:29:50,571
m

4853
02:29:50,571 --> 02:29:51,710
gonna tell you I

4854
02:29:51,710 --> 02:29:52,506
m gonna be

4855
02:29:52,506 --> 02:29:52,706
fairly accurate about it, and

4856
02:29:52,706 --> 02:29:53,574
that

4857
02:29:53,574 --> 02:29:54,574
s at least 1.5 to 2 years

4858
02:29:54,574 --> 02:29:56,777
that we have invested in it if

4859
02:29:56,777 --> 02:29:57,478
we had to go that route. And I

4860
02:29:57,478 --> 02:29:57,577
think as counsel, that

4861
02:29:57,577 --> 02:29:59,577
s

4862
02:29:59,714 --> 02:30:00,280
something we should be. Very

4863
02:30:00,280 --> 02:30:01,815
mildful particularly for

4864
02:30:01,815 --> 02:30:05,415
looking at that kind of money.

4865
02:30:09,290 --> 02:30:11,580
That kind of time period. What?

4866
02:30:11,580 --> 02:30:13,527
Any other questions? Before we

4867
02:30:13,527 --> 02:30:17,127
open up the public comment, the

4868
02:30:17,298 --> 02:30:18,650
public hearing, excuse me. All

4869
02:30:18,650 --> 02:30:18,966
right, see none of the public

4870
02:30:18,966 --> 02:30:20,301
hearing is now open. Those who

4871
02:30:20,301 --> 02:30:20,935
speak on behalf of the

4872
02:30:20,935 --> 02:30:21,769
applicant MAY come forward.

4873
02:30:21,769 --> 02:30:23,638
Please state your name for the

4874
02:30:23,638 --> 02:30:25,500
record. The first person has 10

4875
02:30:25,500 --> 02:30:27,405
minutes, all others have 3

4876
02:30:42,757 --> 02:30:43,724
minutes. See none, those in

4877
02:30:43,724 --> 02:30:44,492
opposition to the applicant MAY

4878
02:30:44,492 --> 02:30:45,792
come forward. Please state your

4879
02:30:45,792 --> 02:30:47,270
name for the record. The first

4880
02:30:47,270 --> 02:30:49,427
person has 10 minutes, all

4881
02:30:50,300 --> 02:30:51,899
others have. 3 minutes. Uh,

4882
02:30:51,899 --> 02:30:54,335
good evening. My name is Mark

4883
02:30:54,335 --> 02:30:54,702
Parker. I spoke on this matter

4884
02:30:54,702 --> 02:30:56,336
before and I

4885
02:30:56,336 --> 02:30:57,370
m hearing a lot of

4886
02:30:57,370 --> 02:30:58,505
verbal gymnastics going up here.

4887
02:30:58,505 --> 02:31:01,505
Talking about the cost and

4888
02:31:01,575 --> 02:31:02,609
stuff like this. Making a

4889
02:31:02,609 --> 02:31:03,577
band-aid for what Captain World

4890
02:31:03,577 --> 02:31:03,678
did in the beginning. Let

4891
02:31:03,678 --> 02:31:05,580
s

4892
02:31:05,580 --> 02:31:06,847
talk about the facts like

4893
02:31:06,847 --> 02:31:08,348
Councilor Robinson talked about

4894
02:31:08,348 --> 02:31:09,416
the facts about traffic and all

4895
02:31:09,416 --> 02:31:10,451
this other stuff about, we

4896
02:31:10,451 --> 02:31:12,719
assume people are going to

4897
02:31:12,719 --> 02:31:15,189
follow the rules and follow the

4898
02:31:15,189 --> 02:31:16,490
law. The camping world follow

4899
02:31:16,490 --> 02:31:16,691
the ordinance? No, let

4900
02:31:16,691 --> 02:31:18,691
s start

4901
02:31:19,526 --> 02:31:20,961
with the facts. They willfully

4902
02:31:20,961 --> 02:31:21,610
disobeyed the orders. That

4903
02:31:21,610 --> 02:31:23,610
s

4904
02:31:24,431 --> 02:31:25,499
number one. So I, they

4905
02:31:25,499 --> 02:31:26,734
willfully decided not to have

4906
02:31:26,734 --> 02:31:29,734
the flag or the flagpole

4907
02:31:31,339 --> 02:31:32,306
inspected. Number 3. They

4908
02:31:32,306 --> 02:31:34,475
willfully dis you know,

4909
02:31:34,475 --> 02:31:34,808
basically this side to disobey

4910
02:31:34,808 --> 02:31:36,343
the council

4911
02:31:36,343 --> 02:31:38,712
s, uh, ruling when

4912
02:31:38,712 --> 02:31:39,146
you said no, um, against the

4913
02:31:39,146 --> 02:31:40,648
flag. We

4914
02:31:40,648 --> 02:31:41,615
re not what gets them

4915
02:31:41,615 --> 02:31:42,950
breaking the ordinance. They

4916
02:31:42,950 --> 02:31:45,352
went on media and all this

4917
02:31:45,352 --> 02:31:46,887
stuff to try to basically try

4918
02:31:46,887 --> 02:31:49,991
to hype everybody up and go off

4919
02:31:49,991 --> 02:31:51,392
my 4th, my 4th point. Basically,

4920
02:31:51,392 --> 02:31:53,327
they use patriotism of the

4921
02:31:53,327 --> 02:31:54,529
people of the symbol of the

4922
02:31:54,529 --> 02:31:54,862
flag as a false flag. If

4923
02:31:54,862 --> 02:31:55,563
anybody don

4924
02:31:55,563 --> 02:31:57,331
t know what false

4925
02:31:57,331 --> 02:31:57,665
flag means, that

4926
02:31:57,665 --> 02:31:58,432
s basically

4927
02:31:58,432 --> 02:32:01,432
taking something and using it

4928
02:32:02,300 --> 02:32:02,370
to be deceptive. And using that

4929
02:32:02,370 --> 02:32:03,937
to sway people

4930
02:32:03,937 --> 02:32:04,710
s opinion. And

4931
02:32:04,710 --> 02:32:05,339
I

4932
02:32:05,339 --> 02:32:06,273
m a veteran, like I said, I

4933
02:32:06,273 --> 02:32:09,873
raised my hands twice for this

4934
02:32:10,440 --> 02:32:11,245
country. That flag is not to be

4935
02:32:11,245 --> 02:32:13,347
disrespected, nor used as a

4936
02:32:13,347 --> 02:32:14,949
propaganda of peace. COUNCILMAN

4937
02:32:14,949 --> 02:32:16,951
Robinson, how are you doing? I

4938
02:32:16,951 --> 02:32:18,285
want to like, so I really wanna

4939
02:32:18,285 --> 02:32:20,321
address you about when you were

4940
02:32:20,321 --> 02:32:21,489
talking about the traffic and

4941
02:32:21,489 --> 02:32:22,656
development about saying that

4942
02:32:22,656 --> 02:32:25,193
you assume everyone is going to

4943
02:32:25,193 --> 02:32:25,593
follow the law. We also assume

4944
02:32:25,593 --> 02:32:26,126
that everybody

4945
02:32:26,126 --> 02:32:27,395
s gonna follow

4946
02:32:27,395 --> 02:32:29,396
the ordinance of the city of

4947
02:32:29,396 --> 02:32:30,980
Greenville have put forth.

4948
02:32:30,980 --> 02:32:31,566
Camping world has not done that.

4949
02:32:31,566 --> 02:32:32,266
And now we

4950
02:32:32,266 --> 02:32:34,135
re just gonna give

4951
02:32:34,135 --> 02:32:34,802
them a pass. They

4952
02:32:34,802 --> 02:32:36,802
ve done this

4953
02:32:37,505 --> 02:32:39,600
all over the country. Seville,

4954
02:32:39,600 --> 02:32:42,600
Tennessee is going through the

4955
02:32:42,243 --> 02:32:43,578
same process right now. Their

4956
02:32:43,578 --> 02:32:45,646
public officials have been

4957
02:32:45,646 --> 02:32:47,646
receiving written threats.

4958
02:32:48,515 --> 02:32:49,316
Bunch of your fear received

4959
02:32:49,316 --> 02:32:49,583
negative um comments. I

4960
02:32:49,583 --> 02:32:51,190
ve read

4961
02:32:51,190 --> 02:32:52,887
the negative comments on

4962
02:32:52,887 --> 02:32:54,989
Facebook. And now they just get

4963
02:32:54,989 --> 02:32:56,390
a pass, but what I, as an

4964
02:32:56,390 --> 02:32:58,790
individual in Greenville, get

4965
02:32:59,160 --> 02:32:59,994
the same respect. Or the same

4966
02:32:59,994 --> 02:33:02,394
courtesy that Camperor was

4967
02:33:02,696 --> 02:33:03,297
getting? No. So why are we

4968
02:33:03,297 --> 02:33:04,198
doing this? Now we

4969
02:33:04,198 --> 02:33:05,990
re talking

4970
02:33:05,990 --> 02:33:05,299
about the legal fees, and

4971
02:33:05,299 --> 02:33:06,167
they

4972
02:33:06,167 --> 02:33:08,603
re going to do a victory

4973
02:33:08,603 --> 02:33:08,736
lap if we do this amendment.

4974
02:33:08,736 --> 02:33:09,637
I

4975
02:33:09,637 --> 02:33:12,637
m totally against it. It

4976
02:33:13,775 --> 02:33:13,907
pisses me off. I am, I mean,

4977
02:33:13,907 --> 02:33:15,309
I

4978
02:33:15,309 --> 02:33:15,710
m tired of it. How we

4979
02:33:15,710 --> 02:33:17,710
re at a

4980
02:33:17,711 --> 02:33:17,879
point in our country now that

4981
02:33:17,879 --> 02:33:18,846
we

4982
02:33:18,846 --> 02:33:21,182
re letting corporations do

4983
02:33:21,182 --> 02:33:24,782
whatever they want to do. And

4984
02:33:25,286 --> 02:33:25,886
we, the people, we, the people.

4985
02:33:25,886 --> 02:33:27,888
Are getting treated as we

4986
02:33:27,888 --> 02:33:28,255
should. Yes, it

4987
02:33:28,255 --> 02:33:30,255
s a beautiful

4988
02:33:31,191 --> 02:33:33,561
flag, but Flagpole was too big,

4989
02:33:33,561 --> 02:33:34,261
flag is too big. Now we want to

4990
02:33:34,261 --> 02:33:36,970
basically put a band-aid on and

4991
02:33:36,970 --> 02:33:36,964
say, ok, hey, let

4992
02:33:36,964 --> 02:33:38,166
s let it make

4993
02:33:38,166 --> 02:33:40,501
it come in compliance so we

4994
02:33:40,501 --> 02:33:41,536
could just move along. They

4995
02:33:41,536 --> 02:33:42,971
have all the money. I mean,

4996
02:33:42,971 --> 02:33:45,339
they have billions of dollars,

4997
02:33:45,339 --> 02:33:48,342
but they only pay $650. Come on.

4998
02:33:48,342 --> 02:33:51,450
Why are we making exceptions

4999
02:33:51,450 --> 02:33:52,613
for them. Now, what would, what

5000
02:33:52,613 --> 02:33:56,813
now, what if I built a flagpole.

5001
02:33:59,353 --> 02:34:03,257
And did and used it for other

5002
02:34:03,257 --> 02:34:05,159
reasons, less than 130 ft. Less

5003
02:34:05,159 --> 02:34:08,159
than the 3200 square feet, and

5004
02:34:08,663 --> 02:34:10,300
I used it to I could put

5005
02:34:10,300 --> 02:34:11,131
different, say, hey, you want

5006
02:34:11,131 --> 02:34:12,834
to put your flag up and talk

5007
02:34:12,834 --> 02:34:12,967
about this, talk about that, or

5008
02:34:12,967 --> 02:34:14,302
I

5009
02:34:14,302 --> 02:34:15,870
ll give you another example.

5010
02:34:15,870 --> 02:34:16,837
All right, we all have our

5011
02:34:16,837 --> 02:34:18,940
sacred symbols. Once somebody

5012
02:34:18,940 --> 02:34:21,342
said, well, I can build a cross

5013
02:34:21,342 --> 02:34:24,311
that is so big. Certain amount.

5014
02:34:24,311 --> 02:34:25,379
I put it that that that height,

5015
02:34:25,379 --> 02:34:27,281
making the dimensions that cry

5016
02:34:27,281 --> 02:34:28,716
by the words, but then what if

5017
02:34:28,716 --> 02:34:29,216
I at night decide, you know

5018
02:34:29,216 --> 02:34:30,840
what? I

5019
02:34:30,840 --> 02:34:30,351
m gonna put kerosene on

5020
02:34:30,351 --> 02:34:32,351
that. I

5021
02:34:33,788 --> 02:34:33,954
m gonna put it on fire.

5022
02:34:33,954 --> 02:34:35,690
Don

5023
02:34:35,690 --> 02:34:37,324
t distort the image. Of

5024
02:34:37,324 --> 02:34:38,159
sacred items in our country,

5025
02:34:38,159 --> 02:34:38,326
and that was, that

5026
02:34:38,326 --> 02:34:38,425
s what

5027
02:34:38,425 --> 02:34:39,861
s

5028
02:34:39,861 --> 02:34:41,128
been done with Camping World.

5029
02:34:41,128 --> 02:34:43,164
In the audience here, we have

5030
02:34:43,164 --> 02:34:43,965
some veterans back here. And

5031
02:34:43,965 --> 02:34:46,700
they can tell you the same

5032
02:34:46,700 --> 02:34:47,468
thing. We are patriotic. We put

5033
02:34:47,468 --> 02:34:49,737
our lives on the line for this

5034
02:34:49,737 --> 02:34:51,238
country. All Kemp world this

5035
02:34:51,238 --> 02:34:52,390
dude, they

5036
02:34:52,390 --> 02:34:54,439
re trying to exert

5037
02:34:54,575 --> 02:34:54,675
their dominance. And they don

5038
02:34:54,675 --> 02:34:55,676
t

5039
02:34:55,676 --> 02:34:56,177
care if they disrupt our

5040
02:34:56,177 --> 02:34:56,544
community, they don

5041
02:34:56,544 --> 02:34:56,744
t care.

5042
02:34:56,744 --> 02:34:57,978
They

5043
02:34:57,978 --> 02:34:59,113
re just gonna move and

5044
02:34:59,113 --> 02:34:59,880
build another facility, do the

5045
02:34:59,880 --> 02:35:00,314
same thing like they

5046
02:35:00,314 --> 02:35:02,314
ve been

5047
02:35:02,716 --> 02:35:05,119
doing all over the country. So

5048
02:35:05,119 --> 02:35:05,320
I firmly stand against it.

5049
02:35:05,320 --> 02:35:07,210
That

5050
02:35:07,210 --> 02:35:07,121
s all I got to say and I

5051
02:35:07,121 --> 02:35:07,355
m,

5052
02:35:07,355 --> 02:35:08,550
and I

5053
02:35:08,550 --> 02:35:08,556
m, I

5054
02:35:08,556 --> 02:35:09,456
m, I

5055
02:35:09,456 --> 02:35:10,926
m actually sad

5056
02:35:10,926 --> 02:35:12,927
to see the shift. You made the

5057
02:35:12,927 --> 02:35:14,395
decision in 1st,, 1st, but then

5058
02:35:14,395 --> 02:35:15,764
GOD at the in the last meeting

5059
02:35:15,764 --> 02:35:17,310
we started seeing people kind

5060
02:35:17,310 --> 02:35:19,633
of say, well, what if we did

5061
02:35:19,633 --> 02:35:21,168
this? If they had did what they

5062
02:35:21,168 --> 02:35:22,236
were supposed to do in the

5063
02:35:22,236 --> 02:35:23,871
beginning, none of this will be

5064
02:35:23,871 --> 02:35:25,807
going on. We wouldn

5065
02:35:25,807 --> 02:35:27,807
t be here

5066
02:35:27,808 --> 02:35:28,576
And just for them, like I said,

5067
02:35:28,576 --> 02:35:30,945
I believe in accountability and

5068
02:35:30,945 --> 02:35:31,112
responsibility. For everyone. I

5069
02:35:31,112 --> 02:35:32,247
don

5070
02:35:32,247 --> 02:35:33,547
t care from the highest to

5071
02:35:33,547 --> 02:35:33,915
the lowest. And that

5072
02:35:33,915 --> 02:35:35,783
s all I

5073
02:35:35,783 --> 02:35:38,419
got to say. Thank you. Thanks,

5074
02:35:38,419 --> 02:35:38,820
MR. Parker. Anyone else who

5075
02:35:38,820 --> 02:35:40,388
d

5076
02:35:40,388 --> 02:35:41,890
like to speak in opposition to

5077
02:35:41,890 --> 02:35:41,856
the applicant MAY come forward.

5078
02:35:41,856 --> 02:35:43,725
Please state your name for the

5079
02:35:43,725 --> 02:35:45,459
record. You have 3 minutes. Uh,

5080
02:35:45,459 --> 02:35:46,828
my name is Pedro. Hello again,

5081
02:35:46,828 --> 02:35:47,862
guys, um. I

5082
02:35:47,862 --> 02:35:49,831
m glad that he

5083
02:35:49,831 --> 02:35:51,165
started me off cause it kinda.

5084
02:35:51,165 --> 02:35:52,767
Clear some stuff up for me.

5085
02:35:52,767 --> 02:35:55,903
This is a clear pattern with

5086
02:35:55,903 --> 02:35:57,505
this company. Um, we have here

5087
02:35:57,505 --> 02:35:57,705
Seville, Tennessee. Same thing,

5088
02:35:57,705 --> 02:35:59,705
they

5089
02:36:00,275 --> 02:36:02,810
re being sued. Uh, court

5090
02:36:02,810 --> 02:36:03,278
date set for 4:15 2025. I

5091
02:36:03,278 --> 02:36:05,278
ll be

5092
02:36:06,247 --> 02:36:08,783
there. Flag not coming down.

5093
02:36:08,783 --> 02:36:10,618
This is from 2020 2017, these

5094
02:36:10,618 --> 02:36:12,120
towns have said no to our

5095
02:36:12,120 --> 02:36:13,621
American flag a camping world.

5096
02:36:13,621 --> 02:36:15,456
Help us change that like you

5097
02:36:15,456 --> 02:36:16,490
did in City of Georgetown. And

5098
02:36:16,490 --> 02:36:16,991
then he lists very, he

5099
02:36:16,991 --> 02:36:18,459
s very

5100
02:36:18,459 --> 02:36:21,362
happy about this, um proud

5101
02:36:21,362 --> 02:36:23,731
about it. Fresno, California,

5102
02:36:23,731 --> 02:36:25,166
Golden, Colorado, Longmont,

5103
02:36:25,166 --> 02:36:26,667
Colorado, Sacramento,

5104
02:36:26,667 --> 02:36:28,667
California, Vacaville,

5105
02:36:29,370 --> 02:36:30,538
California, Woodville, Oregon,

5106
02:36:30,538 --> 02:36:32,538
Bridgeport, New Jersey.

5107
02:36:32,573 --> 02:36:34,442
Kissimmee, Florida. Fountain,

5108
02:36:34,442 --> 02:36:35,900
Colorado, Statesville, North

5109
02:36:35,900 --> 02:36:36,677
Carolina, Olive Branch,

5110
02:36:36,677 --> 02:36:38,677
Mississippi. Hanover County,

5111
02:36:40,114 --> 02:36:41,683
Virginia. This one is actually

5112
02:36:41,683 --> 02:36:43,585
targeted to our council here.

5113
02:36:43,585 --> 02:36:44,986
Dear Greenville, North Carolina,

5114
02:36:44,986 --> 02:36:46,154
Utahed having a city council

5115
02:36:46,154 --> 02:36:47,855
meeting to the public in an

5116
02:36:47,855 --> 02:36:48,289
effort to remove the pressure

5117
02:36:48,289 --> 02:36:48,557
you received. I

5118
02:36:48,557 --> 02:36:50,358
m not gonna

5119
02:36:50,358 --> 02:36:52,193
read the whole thing. This one

5120
02:36:52,193 --> 02:36:53,695
is pretty long. This one is

5121
02:36:53,695 --> 02:36:56,950
Statesville, Hay City of

5122
02:36:56,197 --> 02:36:57,565
Statesville, we have received

5123
02:36:57,565 --> 02:36:59,600
your lawsuit regarding our us

5124
02:36:59,600 --> 02:37:01,970
American flag. It will not come

5125
02:37:01,970 --> 02:37:03,404
down. This one is, again,

5126
02:37:03,404 --> 02:37:05,373
towards you guys, the flag is

5127
02:37:05,373 --> 02:37:07,175
not coming down. And this one,

5128
02:37:07,175 --> 02:37:08,409
this is what I think probably

5129
02:37:08,409 --> 02:37:10,711
is gonna get a lot. Lot of

5130
02:37:10,711 --> 02:37:12,580
people mad. You can find me all

5131
02:37:12,580 --> 02:37:14,616
you want, City of Greenville,

5132
02:37:14,616 --> 02:37:16,985
North Carolina. He will not pay

5133
02:37:16,985 --> 02:37:17,552
these fines, even if we let him

5134
02:37:17,552 --> 02:37:18,190
put his flag up, he

5135
02:37:18,190 --> 02:37:18,486
ll probably

5136
02:37:18,486 --> 02:37:19,821
say that he doesn

5137
02:37:19,821 --> 02:37:20,922
t have to pay

5138
02:37:20,922 --> 02:37:22,757
the fines because you guys

5139
02:37:22,757 --> 02:37:24,759
allowed him to put the flag up.

5140
02:37:24,759 --> 02:37:26,594
This is another one from

5141
02:37:26,594 --> 02:37:27,161
Georgetown, Kentucky. City of

5142
02:37:27,161 --> 02:37:28,530
Georgetown. What

5143
02:37:28,530 --> 02:37:30,930
s up with not

5144
02:37:30,965 --> 02:37:32,567
allowing an American flag a

5145
02:37:32,567 --> 02:37:35,403
camping world. So all that to

5146
02:37:35,403 --> 02:37:37,105
say, this is a pattern with

5147
02:37:37,105 --> 02:37:39,505
Camping World, um, and

5148
02:37:39,774 --> 02:37:40,708
obviously proposing this, um,

5149
02:37:40,708 --> 02:37:42,143
this proposed amendment, it

5150
02:37:42,143 --> 02:37:42,710
would fix the issue with the

5151
02:37:42,710 --> 02:37:43,745
flag, but that

5152
02:37:43,745 --> 02:37:45,580
s not the issue

5153
02:37:45,580 --> 02:37:47,381
really. At the end of the day,

5154
02:37:47,381 --> 02:37:47,549
the issue was not with the flag.

5155
02:37:47,549 --> 02:37:49,549
It

5156
02:37:49,885 --> 02:37:50,718
s a beautiful flag. I am the

5157
02:37:50,718 --> 02:37:53,718
child of immigrants. I love

5158
02:37:53,788 --> 02:37:53,955
that flag. But this flag that

5159
02:37:53,955 --> 02:37:55,923
he

5160
02:37:55,923 --> 02:37:58,226
s put up has brought hate

5161
02:37:58,226 --> 02:37:59,627
online, that is not what the

5162
02:37:59,627 --> 02:38:00,729
American flag stands for,

5163
02:38:00,729 --> 02:38:01,696
because the people that you see

5164
02:38:01,696 --> 02:38:02,330
that say, oh, yes, it

5165
02:38:02,330 --> 02:38:03,631
s good

5166
02:38:03,631 --> 02:38:05,600
that this flag is up. These

5167
02:38:05,600 --> 02:38:07,680
people are not the people that

5168
02:38:07,680 --> 02:38:10,680
actually know what that flag

5169
02:38:10,271 --> 02:38:11,238
means and love that flag. Um,

5170
02:38:11,238 --> 02:38:12,473
the permit that they applied

5171
02:38:12,473 --> 02:38:14,241
for, in my opinion, they should,

5172
02:38:14,241 --> 02:38:16,611
they, it should be condemned

5173
02:38:16,611 --> 02:38:17,578
now. They applied for a permit.

5174
02:38:17,578 --> 02:38:19,614
The permit said that the

5175
02:38:19,614 --> 02:38:21,449
flagpole had to be 70 ft, and

5176
02:38:21,449 --> 02:38:24,286
the, the square footage, 216 ft.

5177
02:38:24,286 --> 02:38:25,820
They knew what they were doing.

5178
02:38:25,820 --> 02:38:27,889
They applied for that, for that

5179
02:38:27,889 --> 02:38:28,690
permit. And they, they

5180
02:38:28,690 --> 02:38:29,124
knowingly said no, we

5181
02:38:29,124 --> 02:38:30,124
re gonna

5182
02:38:30,124 --> 02:38:30,225
do whatever I want because I

5183
02:38:30,225 --> 02:38:31,626
ve

5184
02:38:31,626 --> 02:38:32,260
done it everywhere and nobody

5185
02:38:32,260 --> 02:38:33,628
s

5186
02:38:33,628 --> 02:38:35,290
done anything to me. So I just

5187
02:38:35,290 --> 02:38:38,333
did a little bit of math here.

5188
02:38:38,333 --> 02:38:40,768
The flag that they put up is

5189
02:38:40,768 --> 02:38:42,770
more than 1000 times the size

5190
02:38:42,770 --> 02:38:43,305
that the Greenville City

5191
02:38:43,305 --> 02:38:45,207
Ordinance allows. That

5192
02:38:45,207 --> 02:38:47,207
s time.

5193
02:38:47,308 --> 02:38:48,810
Thank you, thank you for your

5194
02:38:48,810 --> 02:38:48,977
time. Thank you. Anyone else

5195
02:38:48,977 --> 02:38:49,644
you

5196
02:38:49,644 --> 02:38:50,611
d like to speak in

5197
02:38:50,611 --> 02:38:51,613
opposition to the applicant MAY

5198
02:38:51,613 --> 02:38:52,580
come forward. Please state your

5199
02:38:52,580 --> 02:38:56,180
name for the record. You have 3

5200
02:38:58,286 --> 02:38:58,586
minutes. Evening. My name

5201
02:38:58,586 --> 02:39:00,586
s

5202
02:39:00,621 --> 02:39:01,422
Eric Horseman, um. I time this

5203
02:39:01,422 --> 02:39:02,490
out pretty carefully to be 3

5204
02:39:02,490 --> 02:39:02,890
minutes, but I think, uh,

5205
02:39:02,890 --> 02:39:03,191
sounds like you

5206
02:39:03,191 --> 02:39:04,392
re gonna hear

5207
02:39:04,392 --> 02:39:04,993
from a lot of folks who are

5208
02:39:04,993 --> 02:39:05,293
pretty upset about this. I

5209
02:39:05,293 --> 02:39:05,927
m

5210
02:39:05,927 --> 02:39:07,610
just gonna edit out some of

5211
02:39:07,610 --> 02:39:07,328
these things that are repeating

5212
02:39:07,328 --> 02:39:07,795
what they

5213
02:39:07,795 --> 02:39:08,863
re saying, to focus

5214
02:39:08,863 --> 02:39:09,697
on some things I think they

5215
02:39:09,697 --> 02:39:10,698
probably aren

5216
02:39:10,698 --> 02:39:12,670
t gonna tell you,

5217
02:39:12,670 --> 02:39:12,300
uh, so I lived here 15 years,

5218
02:39:12,300 --> 02:39:13,000
um, I

5219
02:39:13,000 --> 02:39:13,701
ve only come to a city

5220
02:39:13,701 --> 02:39:15,269
council meeting a couple of

5221
02:39:15,269 --> 02:39:16,370
times to talk, um, but this

5222
02:39:16,370 --> 02:39:18,600
particular issue has me pretty

5223
02:39:18,600 --> 02:39:19,241
upset. I followed it pretty

5224
02:39:19,241 --> 02:39:20,776
closely, uh, it has been

5225
02:39:20,776 --> 02:39:21,760
frustrated enough to show up

5226
02:39:21,760 --> 02:39:21,476
because I

5227
02:39:21,476 --> 02:39:22,810
m pretty concerned

5228
02:39:22,810 --> 02:39:24,345
that you, the city council, are

5229
02:39:24,345 --> 02:39:25,880
about to approve this text

5230
02:39:25,880 --> 02:39:28,216
amendment solely to make an

5231
02:39:28,216 --> 02:39:29,250
annoyance go away. Uh, and this

5232
02:39:29,250 --> 02:39:31,953
does not serve the citizens of

5233
02:39:31,953 --> 02:39:33,488
Greenville. Uh, I have no

5234
02:39:33,488 --> 02:39:36,391
problem with a big flag, as

5235
02:39:36,391 --> 02:39:37,792
many of us, nobody here does,

5236
02:39:37,792 --> 02:39:39,227
um, my problem is with the

5237
02:39:39,227 --> 02:39:39,894
process, uh, that this has gone

5238
02:39:39,894 --> 02:39:40,661
through, which can

5239
02:39:40,661 --> 02:39:41,329
t bring

5240
02:39:41,329 --> 02:39:42,897
worlds approached this and

5241
02:39:42,897 --> 02:39:45,330
recently how the city council

5242
02:39:45,330 --> 02:39:47,802
has, uh, since JANUARY, uh, has

5243
02:39:47,802 --> 02:39:49,437
responded to that. My concern

5244
02:39:49,437 --> 02:39:51,406
is that this relatively

5245
02:39:51,406 --> 02:39:53,208
unimportant flag issue, uh, is

5246
02:39:53,208 --> 02:39:55,110
the response to it gonna set a

5247
02:39:55,110 --> 02:39:55,677
really unpleasant example. Uh,

5248
02:39:55,677 --> 02:39:57,120
particularly if this is

5249
02:39:57,120 --> 02:39:58,120
approved, I think our local

5250
02:39:58,120 --> 02:39:59,380
government simply rolling over,

5251
02:39:59,380 --> 02:40:00,782
giving up in the face of

5252
02:40:00,782 --> 02:40:02,884
resistance from a little bit of

5253
02:40:02,884 --> 02:40:04,452
resistance from not a state

5254
02:40:04,452 --> 02:40:06,870
corporation. Um, it makes me

5255
02:40:06,870 --> 02:40:08,523
concerned that how can we trust

5256
02:40:08,523 --> 02:40:09,790
the decisions made, uh, by you

5257
02:40:09,790 --> 02:40:10,658
all are benefiting local

5258
02:40:10,658 --> 02:40:11,292
residents rather than these

5259
02:40:11,292 --> 02:40:12,661
corporate interests when the

5260
02:40:12,661 --> 02:40:12,927
two conflict. Here

5261
02:40:12,927 --> 02:40:14,927
s something

5262
02:40:15,463 --> 02:40:16,980
important. Uh, I read the

5263
02:40:16,980 --> 02:40:18,233
proposed text amendment very

5264
02:40:18,233 --> 02:40:19,670
carefully. Uh, I don

5265
02:40:19,670 --> 02:40:19,835
t think

5266
02:40:19,835 --> 02:40:21,803
anyone else has actually

5267
02:40:21,803 --> 02:40:23,238
checked the math in there. One

5268
02:40:23,238 --> 02:40:23,438
thing that the city planner

5269
02:40:23,438 --> 02:40:24,740
didn

5270
02:40:24,740 --> 02:40:26,608
t tell you is that as

5271
02:40:26,608 --> 02:40:27,742
written, uh, the current text

5272
02:40:27,742 --> 02:40:29,100
of the proposed amendment

5273
02:40:29,100 --> 02:40:31,460
includes this text. The hoist

5274
02:40:31,460 --> 02:40:32,581
side of the flag shall not

5275
02:40:32,581 --> 02:40:35,417
exceed 30% of the height of the

5276
02:40:35,417 --> 02:40:35,983
pole, unquote. That 30% is a

5277
02:40:35,983 --> 02:40:36,251
proposed change. I

5278
02:40:36,251 --> 02:40:37,485
m pretty

5279
02:40:37,485 --> 02:40:39,187
sure it came from that original

5280
02:40:39,187 --> 02:40:40,322
camping world, uh, proposal

5281
02:40:40,322 --> 02:40:42,557
that you all got and was maybe

5282
02:40:42,557 --> 02:40:42,757
just copied and pasted into the

5283
02:40:42,757 --> 02:40:44,159
city

5284
02:40:44,159 --> 02:40:45,560
s version, uh, get your

5285
02:40:45,560 --> 02:40:45,661
calculator, check that. You

5286
02:40:45,661 --> 02:40:47,661
ll

5287
02:40:48,329 --> 02:40:51,929
see that 30% of 130 ft is 39 ft.

5288
02:40:52,467 --> 02:40:52,667
Not 40 ft. The 40 ft tall flag

5289
02:40:52,667 --> 02:40:54,667
that

5290
02:40:54,702 --> 02:40:55,603
s currently there. Uh,

5291
02:40:55,603 --> 02:40:56,772
would exceed their post

5292
02:40:56,772 --> 02:40:58,340
allowable flag height, it will

5293
02:40:58,340 --> 02:40:58,774
still be out of compliance if

5294
02:40:58,774 --> 02:40:59,107
you propose what

5295
02:40:59,107 --> 02:41:01,507
s in front of

5296
02:41:01,876 --> 02:41:02,577
you right now. The current back

5297
02:41:02,577 --> 02:41:04,112
is a bit, it

5298
02:41:04,112 --> 02:41:04,812
s a big flag, uh,

5299
02:41:04,812 --> 02:41:04,913
so big, in fact, it

5300
02:41:04,913 --> 02:41:06,681
s

5301
02:41:06,681 --> 02:41:06,982
disrespectful. Uh, it can

5302
02:41:06,982 --> 02:41:08,383
t be

5303
02:41:08,383 --> 02:41:10,384
flown at half-staff. The photo

5304
02:41:10,384 --> 02:41:12,320
that uh, that the city planner

5305
02:41:12,320 --> 02:41:12,554
showed you was during Jimmy

5306
02:41:12,554 --> 02:41:13,755
Carter

5307
02:41:13,755 --> 02:41:15,623
s, uh, period of

5308
02:41:15,623 --> 02:41:16,758
memorial, right? That was

5309
02:41:16,758 --> 02:41:17,258
flying at half staff, lowered

5310
02:41:17,258 --> 02:41:19,194
about 10 ft. That

5311
02:41:19,194 --> 02:41:20,429
s all they

5312
02:41:20,429 --> 02:41:22,290
can do. If Camping Worlds want

5313
02:41:22,290 --> 02:41:22,864
to fly a big flag, that

5314
02:41:22,864 --> 02:41:23,310
s great.

5315
02:41:23,310 --> 02:41:25,310
Let

5316
02:41:25,833 --> 02:41:27,903
s have a respectful,

5317
02:41:27,903 --> 02:41:28,803
reasonable size. Um, the, uh,

5318
02:41:28,803 --> 02:41:29,805
planning and zoning commission

5319
02:41:29,805 --> 02:41:30,705
gave you a reasonable size. You

5320
02:41:30,705 --> 02:41:31,606
can actually go a little bit

5321
02:41:31,606 --> 02:41:34,606
bigger than that according to

5322
02:41:34,776 --> 02:41:35,476
the, uh, the, uh, flag code

5323
02:41:35,476 --> 02:41:37,145
could be as big as 22 ft in

5324
02:41:37,145 --> 02:41:38,130
about le ng th of 43 ft, the

5325
02:41:38,130 --> 02:41:39,514
height of 22 ft, and the height

5326
02:41:39,514 --> 02:41:40,815
of a length of 43 ft. That

5327
02:41:40,815 --> 02:41:41,883
s an

5328
02:41:41,883 --> 02:41:41,983
area of 946 square feet. That

5329
02:41:41,983 --> 02:41:43,983
s

5330
02:41:44,786 --> 02:41:45,653
a pretty big flag. Uh, for the,

5331
02:41:45,653 --> 02:41:48,390
uh, for that size, that size

5332
02:41:48,390 --> 02:41:48,757
pole. Um, and I think I

5333
02:41:48,757 --> 02:41:49,791
ll

5334
02:41:49,791 --> 02:41:50,859
finally conclude by saying that

5335
02:41:50,859 --> 02:41:52,227
um I agree with uh planning and

5336
02:41:52,227 --> 02:41:53,595
zoning commissioner member Alan

5337
02:41:53,595 --> 02:41:54,262
Thomas, who in the FEBRUARY

5338
02:41:54,262 --> 02:41:55,597
discussion talked about having

5339
02:41:55,597 --> 02:41:57,165
a lot more respect for someone

5340
02:41:57,165 --> 02:41:58,400
who wears a tiny flag on their

5341
02:41:58,400 --> 02:41:59,868
uniform and every day, every

5342
02:41:59,868 --> 02:42:01,837
day that somebody like camping

5343
02:42:01,837 --> 02:42:01,970
world, uh, ceo Mark Lamonis.

5344
02:42:01,970 --> 02:42:03,372
I

5345
02:42:03,372 --> 02:42:04,372
ll stop now, uh, but I want

5346
02:42:04,372 --> 02:42:05,674
to say that, um, this has me

5347
02:42:05,674 --> 02:42:06,842
pretty upset, as you can

5348
02:42:06,842 --> 02:42:08,743
probably see, um, and, uh, I

5349
02:42:08,743 --> 02:42:10,780
think you should vote this down

5350
02:42:10,780 --> 02:42:12,470
or adjust this to a reasonable

5351
02:42:12,470 --> 02:42:12,448
size. Thank you. Thank you.

5352
02:42:12,448 --> 02:42:12,981
Anyone else that

5353
02:42:12,981 --> 02:42:13,681
d like to

5354
02:42:13,681 --> 02:42:14,583
speak in opposition to the

5355
02:42:14,583 --> 02:42:15,250
applicant MAY come forward,

5356
02:42:15,250 --> 02:42:18,850
please state your name for the

5357
02:42:23,158 --> 02:42:25,558
record. You have 3 minutes.

5358
02:42:27,396 --> 02:42:28,764
Maxwell and uh This, uh, like,

5359
02:42:28,764 --> 02:42:29,464
uh, Eric just said this issues

5360
02:42:29,464 --> 02:42:31,333
had me pretty upset for a long

5361
02:42:31,333 --> 02:42:32,667
time. Uh, I

5362
02:42:32,667 --> 02:42:33,340
m upset with the

5363
02:42:33,340 --> 02:42:33,501
controversy it

5364
02:42:33,501 --> 02:42:33,602
s brought. I

5365
02:42:33,602 --> 02:42:34,803
m

5366
02:42:34,803 --> 02:42:35,370
upset with how It

5367
02:42:35,370 --> 02:42:36,738
s caused

5368
02:42:36,738 --> 02:42:37,439
people on the council to be

5369
02:42:37,439 --> 02:42:38,740
attacked by citizens of

5370
02:42:38,740 --> 02:42:39,742
Greenville. I

5371
02:42:39,742 --> 02:42:41,210
m really upset

5372
02:42:41,210 --> 02:42:41,843
with the tactics that uh

5373
02:42:41,843 --> 02:42:42,110
Camping World uses, they

5374
02:42:42,110 --> 02:42:44,110
ve

5375
02:42:45,714 --> 02:42:45,914
done it all across the country.

5376
02:42:45,914 --> 02:42:46,581
They

5377
02:42:46,581 --> 02:42:48,581
re paying multi-million

5378
02:42:49,351 --> 02:42:50,351
dollar fines in one state for

5379
02:42:50,351 --> 02:42:51,253
Uh, basically ripping their

5380
02:42:51,253 --> 02:42:51,886
customers off, selling them,

5381
02:42:51,886 --> 02:42:52,187
telling them they

5382
02:42:52,187 --> 02:42:52,754
re selling

5383
02:42:52,754 --> 02:42:54,990
one thing and sell them

5384
02:42:54,990 --> 02:42:56,158
something else. I just saw

5385
02:42:56,158 --> 02:42:57,725
another article in uh

5386
02:42:57,725 --> 02:42:57,926
Charleston, South Carolina.

5387
02:42:57,926 --> 02:42:59,926
They

5388
02:43:00,896 --> 02:43:02,430
ve had complaints

5389
02:43:02,430 --> 02:43:02,997
Constantly since 2009 for um

5390
02:43:02,997 --> 02:43:03,980
misrepresenting what they

5391
02:43:03,980 --> 02:43:04,899
re

5392
02:43:04,899 --> 02:43:05,400
selling to people. Uh, they

5393
02:43:05,400 --> 02:43:07,400
re

5394
02:43:07,770 --> 02:43:09,171
using the flag as advertisement,

5395
02:43:09,171 --> 02:43:09,838
which is against the anything

5396
02:43:09,838 --> 02:43:12,838
that this country should stand

5397
02:43:13,420 --> 02:43:16,642
for. Um The, the way they

5398
02:43:16,878 --> 02:43:18,280
filled out the Uh, permit, um.

5399
02:43:18,280 --> 02:43:19,214
Knowing exactly what they were

5400
02:43:19,214 --> 02:43:21,250
planning on doing. Matter of

5401
02:43:21,250 --> 02:43:22,500
fact, at the earlier meeting,

5402
02:43:22,500 --> 02:43:23,852
the fellow who came

5403
02:43:23,852 --> 02:43:25,220
representing Captain World. Was

5404
02:43:25,220 --> 02:43:26,855
asked specifically, did they

5405
02:43:26,855 --> 02:43:28,657
ever order a flag or pole that

5406
02:43:28,657 --> 02:43:29,624
size? No, we, we never really

5407
02:43:29,624 --> 02:43:32,728
did that. They never were gonna

5408
02:43:32,728 --> 02:43:34,762
do that. Uh, as this guy, uh,

5409
02:43:34,762 --> 02:43:36,310
he, he just read. Uh, where the

5410
02:43:36,310 --> 02:43:37,499
owner of the company, he

5411
02:43:37,499 --> 02:43:38,566
basically is thumbing his nose

5412
02:43:38,566 --> 02:43:38,700
at everybody saying, you know,

5413
02:43:38,700 --> 02:43:39,667
I

5414
02:43:39,667 --> 02:43:40,100
m gonna do what I want to do,

5415
02:43:40,100 --> 02:43:42,100
heck with y

5416
02:43:43,710 --> 02:43:44,572
all. Um, if, if you

5417
02:43:44,572 --> 02:43:46,208
guys approved this, this is

5418
02:43:46,208 --> 02:43:46,374
basically cave and to somebody

5419
02:43:46,374 --> 02:43:47,760
who

5420
02:43:47,760 --> 02:43:49,411
s a bully, and it just

5421
02:43:49,411 --> 02:43:51,246
ticks me off to no end to see

5422
02:43:51,246 --> 02:43:51,947
anybody, uh, come into our

5423
02:43:51,947 --> 02:43:52,470
community. As far as I

5424
02:43:52,470 --> 02:43:53,715
m

5425
02:43:53,715 --> 02:43:55,316
concerned, I wish this company

5426
02:43:55,316 --> 02:43:55,651
never come here. And uh, you

5427
02:43:55,651 --> 02:43:56,840
know, I don

5428
02:43:56,840 --> 02:43:57,920
t know what we can

5429
02:43:57,920 --> 02:43:59,221
do about it, but At least we

5430
02:43:59,221 --> 02:44:00,622
could have a flag that makes

5431
02:44:00,622 --> 02:44:02,224
some sense. This is ridiculous.

5432
02:44:02,224 --> 02:44:05,224
Thank you. Thank you, MR.

5433
02:44:07,629 --> 02:44:08,764
Maxwell. Anyone else would like

5434
02:44:08,764 --> 02:44:09,698
to speak in opposition to the

5435
02:44:09,698 --> 02:44:10,365
applicant MAY come forward.

5436
02:44:10,365 --> 02:44:13,965
Please state your name for the

5437
02:44:15,970 --> 02:44:17,940
record. You have 3 minutes.

5438
02:44:17,940 --> 02:44:18,400
Hello Rebecca Powers. You

5439
02:44:18,400 --> 02:44:20,400
ve

5440
02:44:20,275 --> 02:44:23,275
heard some Very eloquent and

5441
02:44:23,578 --> 02:44:25,978
thorough. Comments about this.

5442
02:44:26,448 --> 02:44:28,830
Um I

5443
02:44:28,830 --> 02:44:31,830
d like to add Something

5444
02:44:31,787 --> 02:44:33,154
new. Um It

5445
02:44:33,154 --> 02:44:33,989
s kind of the two

5446
02:44:33,989 --> 02:44:34,890
issues, the process, but it

5447
02:44:34,890 --> 02:44:35,691
s

5448
02:44:35,691 --> 02:44:35,891
also the flag. And so I

5449
02:44:35,891 --> 02:44:37,891
d like

5450
02:44:39,361 --> 02:44:42,361
to Speak again about the

5451
02:44:43,980 --> 02:44:45,660
symbolism of the flag. And that

5452
02:44:45,660 --> 02:44:45,233
When you see it as it is now,

5453
02:44:45,233 --> 02:44:46,435
it

5454
02:44:46,435 --> 02:44:48,937
s like a mockery. Of our

5455
02:44:48,937 --> 02:44:49,237
flag And it

5456
02:44:49,237 --> 02:44:51,237
s just heart

5457
02:44:52,474 --> 02:44:52,707
wrenching. Because it

5458
02:44:52,707 --> 02:44:54,707
s so

5459
02:44:55,777 --> 02:44:56,178
humongous and wrong. You

5460
02:44:56,178 --> 02:44:58,178
re

5461
02:44:58,580 --> 02:45:00,215
going to have an ordinance. We

5462
02:45:00,215 --> 02:45:03,815
expect people to follow it and

5463
02:45:04,119 --> 02:45:06,519
reinforce the ordinance. This

5464
02:45:06,555 --> 02:45:10,155
flag is a respected symbol of

5465
02:45:11,426 --> 02:45:14,196
our country. And it seems Not

5466
02:45:14,196 --> 02:45:14,362
to be that in this form. And

5467
02:45:14,362 --> 02:45:15,564
it

5468
02:45:15,564 --> 02:45:16,164
s set in a terrible

5469
02:45:16,164 --> 02:45:16,765
precedence. Now we

5470
02:45:16,765 --> 02:45:18,467
re gonna say

5471
02:45:18,467 --> 02:45:19,568
one other thing that came up

5472
02:45:19,568 --> 02:45:19,901
tonight that just um hadn

5473
02:45:19,901 --> 02:45:21,837
t

5474
02:45:21,837 --> 02:45:23,105
occurred to me when you asked

5475
02:45:23,105 --> 02:45:25,505
the building inspector about

5476
02:45:25,941 --> 02:45:27,375
our ordinances changed. And he

5477
02:45:27,375 --> 02:45:29,344
said, if I remember right, he

5478
02:45:29,344 --> 02:45:31,446
said a lot of the time and

5479
02:45:31,446 --> 02:45:31,913
there was a gasp in the room

5480
02:45:31,913 --> 02:45:32,781
because we didn

5481
02:45:32,781 --> 02:45:34,781
t know that,

5482
02:45:35,150 --> 02:45:35,451
but I would like to suggest

5483
02:45:35,451 --> 02:45:37,451
that there

5484
02:45:37,653 --> 02:45:39,200
s never been an

5485
02:45:39,200 --> 02:45:39,588
ordinance changed about the

5486
02:45:39,588 --> 02:45:41,988
American flag flying in

5487
02:45:42,157 --> 02:45:42,424
Greenville. If the building

5488
02:45:42,424 --> 02:45:43,392
s

5489
02:45:43,392 --> 02:45:44,426
inspector had to change

5490
02:45:44,426 --> 02:45:46,328
something, it probably had to

5491
02:45:46,328 --> 02:45:47,729
do we moved the sidewalk a

5492
02:45:47,729 --> 02:45:50,198
little to the right, moved the

5493
02:45:50,198 --> 02:45:50,365
sidewalk a little to the left.

5494
02:45:50,365 --> 02:45:51,633
It

5495
02:45:51,633 --> 02:45:54,203
s not about flying that flag.

5496
02:45:54,203 --> 02:45:56,137
i ask you, please vote no to

5497
02:45:56,137 --> 02:45:59,308
the amendment, put an end to

5498
02:45:59,308 --> 02:46:02,143
this issue. For us, we put it

5499
02:46:02,143 --> 02:46:05,513
on you, it goes legally, but we

5500
02:46:05,513 --> 02:46:07,916
got to do it. Vote no. Thank

5501
02:46:07,916 --> 02:46:08,417
you. Thanks for clarification,

5502
02:46:08,417 --> 02:46:09,284
I didn

5503
02:46:09,284 --> 02:46:11,219
t say the ordinance

5504
02:46:11,219 --> 02:46:12,188
changed. I said, is somebody

5505
02:46:12,188 --> 02:46:14,390
not in compliance with a permit?

5506
02:46:14,390 --> 02:46:15,424
Do they make the correction?

5507
02:46:15,424 --> 02:46:17,793
And then he responded back and

5508
02:46:17,793 --> 02:46:19,261
said. Most of the time, I

5509
02:46:19,261 --> 02:46:21,296
believe. Oh, do they make the,

5510
02:46:21,296 --> 02:46:22,665
oh, I totally misinterpreted

5511
02:46:22,665 --> 02:46:23,165
that. I thought you were asking

5512
02:46:23,165 --> 02:46:24,990
I didn

5513
02:46:24,990 --> 02:46:25,534
t say the ordinance that

5514
02:46:25,534 --> 02:46:27,360
would have to come through the

5515
02:46:27,360 --> 02:46:28,437
city council for approval. Oh,

5516
02:46:28,437 --> 02:46:29,638
I did misunderstand. I thought

5517
02:46:29,638 --> 02:46:30,538
you meant that we just change

5518
02:46:30,538 --> 02:46:31,974
it for them so they

5519
02:46:31,974 --> 02:46:32,730
re, they

5520
02:46:32,730 --> 02:46:34,730
re

5521
02:46:34,243 --> 02:46:37,179
in compliance. No, we ask them

5522
02:46:37,179 --> 02:46:37,379
to be in well, that sounds fair.

5523
02:46:37,379 --> 02:46:37,679
That

5524
02:46:37,679 --> 02:46:38,580
s what we

5525
02:46:38,580 --> 02:46:40,580
re supposed to

5526
02:46:40,950 --> 02:46:43,950
do. Correct. Be in compliance.

5527
02:46:45,520 --> 02:46:46,210
Correct. Thank you. All right.

5528
02:46:46,210 --> 02:46:46,988
Anyone else who

5529
02:46:46,988 --> 02:46:48,290
d like to speak

5530
02:46:48,290 --> 02:46:49,158
in opposition to the app MAY

5531
02:46:49,158 --> 02:46:49,858
come forward. Please state your

5532
02:46:49,858 --> 02:46:53,458
name for the record. You have 3

5533
02:46:59,535 --> 02:46:59,734
minutes. Times one night.

5534
02:46:59,734 --> 02:47:01,734
That

5535
02:47:03,672 --> 02:47:05,174
s a record for me. Uh So I

5536
02:47:05,174 --> 02:47:06,174
said earlier this was one of 2

5537
02:47:06,174 --> 02:47:06,742
votes in which it

5538
02:47:06,742 --> 02:47:08,742
s imperative

5539
02:47:09,144 --> 02:47:10,679
that you vote no. The first

5540
02:47:10,679 --> 02:47:10,846
time you chose otherwise, but

5541
02:47:10,846 --> 02:47:12,614
we

5542
02:47:12,614 --> 02:47:14,216
ll see how that turns out. I

5543
02:47:14,216 --> 02:47:15,170
want to echo something you said

5544
02:47:15,170 --> 02:47:17,170
earlier, council member

5545
02:47:19,221 --> 02:47:21,189
Robinson. Pertaining to Our

5546
02:47:21,189 --> 02:47:22,892
traffic issue on 10th Street,

5547
02:47:22,892 --> 02:47:24,159
we need our traffic department

5548
02:47:24,159 --> 02:47:25,193
to be issuing tickets and

5549
02:47:25,193 --> 02:47:26,280
enforce those tickets. When

5550
02:47:26,280 --> 02:47:28,530
people break the law, you

5551
02:47:28,530 --> 02:47:28,697
enforce the law. You didn

5552
02:47:28,697 --> 02:47:30,697
t say.

5553
02:47:33,401 --> 02:47:34,903
We changed the law for them. We

5554
02:47:34,903 --> 02:47:35,137
just increased the speed limit

5555
02:47:35,137 --> 02:47:35,303
so they

5556
02:47:35,303 --> 02:47:37,239
ll they

5557
02:47:37,239 --> 02:47:39,141
ll be fine now.

5558
02:47:39,141 --> 02:47:41,760
And they would have been fined

5559
02:47:41,760 --> 02:47:41,243
because they were speeding. But

5560
02:47:41,243 --> 02:47:42,244
we

5561
02:47:42,244 --> 02:47:45,844
re just gonna kind of ignore

5562
02:47:47,950 --> 02:47:48,517
that too. Right Am I right? I

5563
02:47:48,517 --> 02:47:50,517
m

5564
02:47:51,353 --> 02:47:52,888
just listening to your comment,

5565
02:47:52,888 --> 02:47:56,488
I did break the law, you

5566
02:47:57,159 --> 02:47:58,560
enforce the law, yes. And you

5567
02:47:58,560 --> 02:48:01,897
are an attorney you are an

5568
02:48:01,897 --> 02:48:02,931
attorney and so, yes. So they

5569
02:48:02,931 --> 02:48:05,167
broke the ordinance. I

5570
02:48:05,167 --> 02:48:06,668
m It

5571
02:48:06,668 --> 02:48:08,537
seems obvious to me that we

5572
02:48:08,537 --> 02:48:08,637
enforce the ordinance. It

5573
02:48:08,637 --> 02:48:09,639
s

5574
02:48:09,639 --> 02:48:11,340
really disturbing that that

5575
02:48:11,340 --> 02:48:13,376
could cost us an estimated 25%

5576
02:48:13,376 --> 02:48:13,743
of a million dollars. I, I

5577
02:48:13,743 --> 02:48:14,376
would say let

5578
02:48:14,376 --> 02:48:14,543
s, you know,

5579
02:48:14,543 --> 02:48:15,411
let

5580
02:48:15,411 --> 02:48:16,778
s, let

5581
02:48:16,778 --> 02:48:17,980
s try and verify

5582
02:48:17,980 --> 02:48:18,180
that number, but I don

5583
02:48:18,180 --> 02:48:18,347
t think

5584
02:48:18,347 --> 02:48:20,347
it

5585
02:48:20,515 --> 02:48:22,915
s right. That someone

5586
02:48:23,319 --> 02:48:25,200
behaves in this way. And you

5587
02:48:25,200 --> 02:48:27,689
just change the ordinance to

5588
02:48:27,689 --> 02:48:27,857
accommodate that behavior.

5589
02:48:27,857 --> 02:48:28,958
We

5590
02:48:28,958 --> 02:48:31,160
re stuck. This person is

5591
02:48:31,160 --> 02:48:33,950
belligerent. But I think we do

5592
02:48:33,950 --> 02:48:33,261
need to hold the line and say

5593
02:48:33,261 --> 02:48:35,640
we

5594
02:48:35,640 --> 02:48:35,830
re not going to change the

5595
02:48:35,830 --> 02:48:38,830
ordinance just to try to

5596
02:48:40,169 --> 02:48:41,690
appease you. So again, this is

5597
02:48:41,690 --> 02:48:43,380
an imperative, no vote. Thank

5598
02:48:43,380 --> 02:48:44,640
you. Thank you Doctor Newman,

5599
02:48:44,640 --> 02:48:44,740
thank you. Anyone else who

5600
02:48:44,740 --> 02:48:46,410
d

5601
02:48:46,410 --> 02:48:46,775
like to speak in opposition to

5602
02:48:46,775 --> 02:48:47,576
the applicant MAY come forward.

5603
02:48:47,576 --> 02:48:51,176
Please state your name for the

5604
02:49:00,188 --> 02:49:02,658
record. You have 3 minutes. Is

5605
02:49:02,658 --> 02:49:04,227
it true that if they lost the

5606
02:49:04,227 --> 02:49:07,827
case, that could be forced to

5607
02:49:08,964 --> 02:49:11,964
pay the fines. Yeah, absolutely.

5608
02:49:12,668 --> 02:49:13,668
Um, we have the right to

5609
02:49:13,668 --> 02:49:15,370
enforce fines and and require

5610
02:49:15,370 --> 02:49:16,710
them to pay. And if they lost

5611
02:49:16,710 --> 02:49:16,839
the case, yes, if we got an

5612
02:49:16,839 --> 02:49:17,707
order, if we got a judgment

5613
02:49:17,707 --> 02:49:20,750
from the court, they would have

5614
02:49:20,750 --> 02:49:20,876
to pay the fines, they didn

5615
02:49:20,876 --> 02:49:22,110
t

5616
02:49:22,110 --> 02:49:23,345
voluntarily pay the fine upon

5617
02:49:23,345 --> 02:49:24,347
demand, and we filed a lawsuit

5618
02:49:24,347 --> 02:49:25,781
and we prevailed, they would

5619
02:49:25,781 --> 02:49:26,782
have, they would have had to

5620
02:49:26,782 --> 02:49:27,816
pay the fines or we could

5621
02:49:27,816 --> 02:49:29,652
reduce it to judgment and place

5622
02:49:29,652 --> 02:49:29,885
a lien on the property. So it

5623
02:49:29,885 --> 02:49:31,885
wouldn

5624
02:49:32,488 --> 02:49:34,457
t cost the city. Because

5625
02:49:34,457 --> 02:49:34,923
if they do the wrong, if, if,

5626
02:49:34,923 --> 02:49:36,392
and I don

5627
02:49:36,392 --> 02:49:38,792
t think that any

5628
02:49:39,561 --> 02:49:41,463
court would ever. Think that

5629
02:49:41,463 --> 02:49:42,932
they are right. Yeah, we have,

5630
02:49:42,932 --> 02:49:44,967
well, you know, we do have

5631
02:49:44,967 --> 02:49:45,167
legal fees to Bring litigation.

5632
02:49:45,167 --> 02:49:46,735
That

5633
02:49:46,735 --> 02:49:48,137
s what we were talking

5634
02:49:48,137 --> 02:49:50,720
about earlier in the if, if

5635
02:49:50,720 --> 02:49:53,476
they lose the case, could you

5636
02:49:53,476 --> 02:49:54,944
not get those litigation fees

5637
02:49:54,944 --> 02:49:55,944
back of a statute in order for

5638
02:49:55,944 --> 02:49:57,120
a party to recover attorney

5639
02:49:57,120 --> 02:49:57,479
fees, there has to be a statute

5640
02:49:57,479 --> 02:49:57,913
that allows it. I

5641
02:49:57,913 --> 02:49:59,913
m not aware

5642
02:50:00,249 --> 02:50:01,717
of a statute that says just

5643
02:50:01,717 --> 02:50:02,785
because the city prevails, the,

5644
02:50:02,785 --> 02:50:03,319
the losing party has to pay the

5645
02:50:03,319 --> 02:50:04,119
city the cost. I

5646
02:50:04,119 --> 02:50:04,853
m not aware of

5647
02:50:04,853 --> 02:50:07,853
that statute. I think the

5648
02:50:08,324 --> 02:50:09,825
answer is no. Mhm ok, I was

5649
02:50:09,825 --> 02:50:09,925
told that you could, but I

5650
02:50:09,925 --> 02:50:11,760
m

5651
02:50:11,760 --> 02:50:11,960
not a lawyer, so I won

5652
02:50:11,960 --> 02:50:13,662
t fight

5653
02:50:13,662 --> 02:50:15,998
about that, but I think it

5654
02:50:15,998 --> 02:50:16,632
would be embarrassing to

5655
02:50:16,632 --> 02:50:17,933
Greenville if we don

5656
02:50:17,933 --> 02:50:19,769
t take

5657
02:50:19,769 --> 02:50:23,369
this to court because we would

5658
02:50:24,840 --> 02:50:26,375
be seen as Kowtowing to a

5659
02:50:26,375 --> 02:50:28,277
business that has come in and

5660
02:50:28,277 --> 02:50:29,712
really caused problems in our

5661
02:50:29,712 --> 02:50:31,146
community, and I

5662
02:50:31,146 --> 02:50:33,146
ve spent time

5663
02:50:33,149 --> 02:50:36,149
looking up what has happened

5664
02:50:36,452 --> 02:50:37,553
with them and other cities and

5665
02:50:37,553 --> 02:50:38,887
as council informant said

5666
02:50:38,887 --> 02:50:41,724
earlier, we need to look at who

5667
02:50:41,724 --> 02:50:44,627
we bring in our city. And

5668
02:50:44,627 --> 02:50:47,290
camping world is not a good

5669
02:50:47,290 --> 02:50:49,465
business because, um, as hat

5670
02:50:49,465 --> 02:50:51,868
wrappers, I was, we were just

5671
02:50:51,868 --> 02:50:54,303
looking at how many lawsuits

5672
02:50:54,303 --> 02:50:57,303
have been brought against them

5673
02:50:57,740 --> 02:50:59,308
from people who have had really

5674
02:50:59,308 --> 02:50:59,508
bad transactions. They

5675
02:50:59,508 --> 02:51:01,508
ve been

5676
02:51:01,644 --> 02:51:04,113
lied to, and I think if you

5677
02:51:04,113 --> 02:51:07,116
start out lying on your form,

5678
02:51:07,116 --> 02:51:09,585
then you continue that. And,

5679
02:51:09,585 --> 02:51:11,453
and I grew growing up, it was

5680
02:51:11,453 --> 02:51:13,388
always a big deal at school,

5681
02:51:13,388 --> 02:51:16,259
whoever was the one who took

5682
02:51:16,259 --> 02:51:18,361
care of the flag, you respected

5683
02:51:18,361 --> 02:51:21,970
that person and you respected

5684
02:51:21,970 --> 02:51:21,297
the flag, and this ordinance

5685
02:51:21,297 --> 02:51:23,132
that

5686
02:51:23,132 --> 02:51:25,532
s being proposed tonight

5687
02:51:26,969 --> 02:51:27,303
really does not meet flag code

5688
02:51:27,303 --> 02:51:28,137
because you

5689
02:51:28,137 --> 02:51:30,537
re supposed to have

5690
02:51:34,777 --> 02:51:38,377
a pole. That is 1/3 or 1/4. The

5691
02:51:40,216 --> 02:51:43,619
length Of I mean, the width of.

5692
02:51:43,619 --> 02:51:45,588
The flag, you must, it must be

5693
02:51:45,588 --> 02:51:48,588
only 1/3 or 1/4 the length of

5694
02:51:51,327 --> 02:51:53,262
the pole. We would need a 240

5695
02:51:53,262 --> 02:51:56,262
ft pole to properly accommodate

5696
02:51:56,365 --> 02:51:58,670
this flag and fly it accurately

5697
02:51:58,670 --> 02:51:59,468
when you have to have it half

5698
02:51:59,468 --> 02:52:01,468
staff. And that

5699
02:52:02,171 --> 02:52:03,639
s time? Ok.

5700
02:52:03,639 --> 02:52:04,107
Thank you. Thank you. All right.

5701
02:52:04,107 --> 02:52:04,673
Anyone else you

5702
02:52:04,673 --> 02:52:05,642
d like to speak

5703
02:52:05,642 --> 02:52:06,376
in opposition to the African

5704
02:52:06,376 --> 02:52:07,309
MAY come forward. Please state

5705
02:52:07,309 --> 02:52:10,909
your name for the record. You

5706
02:52:29,650 --> 02:52:31,000
have 3 minutes. See none public

5707
02:52:31,000 --> 02:52:32,735
hearing is now closed, open for

5708
02:52:32,735 --> 02:52:35,735
board discussion or a motion.

5709
02:52:37,139 --> 02:52:38,808
Scully. Thank you, Mayor. Um.

5710
02:52:38,808 --> 02:52:39,609
This debate is not about the

5711
02:52:39,609 --> 02:52:40,442
American flag. It

5712
02:52:40,442 --> 02:52:41,430
s about the

5713
02:52:41,430 --> 02:52:43,313
illegal actions of camping

5714
02:52:43,313 --> 02:52:45,470
world. This is an impossible

5715
02:52:45,470 --> 02:52:46,115
decision. If we pass the

5716
02:52:46,115 --> 02:52:46,983
amendment, and some people will

5717
02:52:46,983 --> 02:52:47,517
be happy, but we

5718
02:52:47,517 --> 02:52:49,352
re essentially

5719
02:52:49,352 --> 02:52:49,986
saying that if you have enough

5720
02:52:49,986 --> 02:52:50,860
money and influence, you don

5721
02:52:50,860 --> 02:52:52,860
t

5722
02:52:52,188 --> 02:52:53,122
have to follow the law. If we

5723
02:52:53,122 --> 02:52:54,123
deny it, some people will be

5724
02:52:54,123 --> 02:52:55,591
happy, but our staff will

5725
02:52:55,591 --> 02:52:57,527
probably have to sue Camping

5726
02:52:57,527 --> 02:52:58,961
World, taking time and money

5727
02:52:58,961 --> 02:53:00,396
away from more important work

5728
02:53:00,396 --> 02:53:00,997
like public safety and

5729
02:53:00,997 --> 02:53:02,898
affordable housing and other

5730
02:53:02,898 --> 02:53:04,367
things. Staff will also have to

5731
02:53:04,367 --> 02:53:06,102
deal with the hateful emails

5732
02:53:06,102 --> 02:53:07,337
and phone calls from across the

5733
02:53:07,337 --> 02:53:08,471
country because of the

5734
02:53:08,471 --> 02:53:09,138
nationwide media presence of

5735
02:53:09,138 --> 02:53:12,138
Camping World and its owner

5736
02:53:13,109 --> 02:53:14,476
have. So what do we do? After

5737
02:53:14,476 --> 02:53:15,678
much thought, prayer, research,

5738
02:53:15,678 --> 02:53:17,347
and listening to my fellow

5739
02:53:17,347 --> 02:53:18,848
citizens, I believe we need to

5740
02:53:18,848 --> 02:53:20,249
do what is right. We need to

5741
02:53:20,249 --> 02:53:21,184
uphold our laws and demand that

5742
02:53:21,184 --> 02:53:23,219
every citizen and business

5743
02:53:23,219 --> 02:53:25,870
follow the law. And when laws

5744
02:53:25,870 --> 02:53:26,222
need to be changed, we have a

5745
02:53:26,222 --> 02:53:27,990
democratic process that allows

5746
02:53:27,990 --> 02:53:29,426
for that change. Camping World

5747
02:53:29,426 --> 02:53:30,993
broke the law. They provided

5748
02:53:30,993 --> 02:53:31,894
false information on the

5749
02:53:31,894 --> 02:53:32,929
original building permit,

5750
02:53:32,929 --> 02:53:34,264
applying for a pole and flag

5751
02:53:34,264 --> 02:53:35,331
within the current size limits

5752
02:53:35,331 --> 02:53:37,200
knowing they would build a pole

5753
02:53:37,200 --> 02:53:39,135
twice as large as is allowed,

5754
02:53:39,135 --> 02:53:40,203
and then they sent us a text

5755
02:53:40,203 --> 02:53:42,603
amendment asking for 30 30 ft

5756
02:53:43,472 --> 02:53:44,106
poles of the 3,2003 33,200

5757
02:53:44,106 --> 02:53:46,750
square foot flagpoles. They

5758
02:53:46,750 --> 02:53:47,443
knew we could not pass it, and

5759
02:53:47,443 --> 02:53:49,311
that, and that, that would

5760
02:53:49,311 --> 02:53:50,980
allow them to smear a good name

5761
02:53:50,980 --> 02:53:52,182
all across social media and the

5762
02:53:52,182 --> 02:53:53,950
national news. It was a setup

5763
02:53:53,950 --> 02:53:56,510
and tended to create a

5764
02:53:56,510 --> 02:53:57,152
controversy that would get them

5765
02:53:57,152 --> 02:53:58,454
free national exposure, not

5766
02:53:58,454 --> 02:53:58,821
only for camping world but also

5767
02:53:58,821 --> 02:53:59,922
for the owner

5768
02:53:59,922 --> 02:54:00,790
s new show

5769
02:54:00,790 --> 02:54:02,725
getting ready to debut on Fox

5770
02:54:02,725 --> 02:54:03,192
News. It

5771
02:54:03,192 --> 02:54:04,494
s not about patriotism.

5772
02:54:04,494 --> 02:54:06,429
It

5773
02:54:06,429 --> 02:54:07,931
s about using our sacred

5774
02:54:07,931 --> 02:54:09,432
flag to create controversy and

5775
02:54:09,432 --> 02:54:10,990
division to gain more exposure

5776
02:54:10,990 --> 02:54:12,501
and ultimately to make more

5777
02:54:12,501 --> 02:54:12,835
money. I believe this is true

5778
02:54:12,835 --> 02:54:13,336
because they

5779
02:54:13,336 --> 02:54:15,538
ve done this all

5780
02:54:15,538 --> 02:54:16,906
over the country. If they had

5781
02:54:16,906 --> 02:54:18,140
followed the law and applied

5782
02:54:18,140 --> 02:54:19,108
for appropriate text amendment

5783
02:54:19,108 --> 02:54:21,108
before construction, we

5784
02:54:21,210 --> 02:54:23,790
probably would have passed it.

5785
02:54:23,790 --> 02:54:24,460
A good example is next door at

5786
02:54:24,460 --> 02:54:25,181
the Hilton Garden Inn. The

5787
02:54:25,181 --> 02:54:26,950
Hilton wanted a sign on the

5788
02:54:26,950 --> 02:54:28,584
hotel that was louder, larger

5789
02:54:28,584 --> 02:54:29,852
than the code allowed. They

5790
02:54:29,852 --> 02:54:31,121
applied for amendment allowing

5791
02:54:31,121 --> 02:54:32,922
for larger signs downtown and

5792
02:54:32,922 --> 02:54:33,220
we passed it unanimously. It

5793
02:54:33,220 --> 02:54:34,557
s

5794
02:54:34,557 --> 02:54:35,992
a great example of a business

5795
02:54:35,992 --> 02:54:36,425
respecting the laws of a

5796
02:54:36,425 --> 02:54:37,893
community that it

5797
02:54:37,893 --> 02:54:39,893
s joining.

5798
02:54:39,996 --> 02:54:40,930
Camping World has done nothing.

5799
02:54:40,930 --> 02:54:43,232
To work with us through this

5800
02:54:43,232 --> 02:54:44,200
process. If we pass this

5801
02:54:44,200 --> 02:54:45,702
amendment, they will still have

5802
02:54:45,702 --> 02:54:46,969
to pay the fines, apply for a

5803
02:54:46,969 --> 02:54:49,369
new permit, provide building

5804
02:54:49,538 --> 02:54:50,673
plans, and have it inspected by

5805
02:54:50,673 --> 02:54:51,541
city engineers. We have no

5806
02:54:51,541 --> 02:54:53,409
reason to believe that they

5807
02:54:53,409 --> 02:54:53,510
will do any of that and we

5808
02:54:53,510 --> 02:54:55,345
ll

5809
02:54:55,345 --> 02:54:56,479
more likely have to sue them to

5810
02:54:56,479 --> 02:54:59,883
pay the fines and to get access

5811
02:54:59,883 --> 02:55:00,716
to the site. My hope is that

5812
02:55:00,716 --> 02:55:03,716
our patriotism will not be

5813
02:55:04,120 --> 02:55:05,855
questioned. I sit here as a

5814
02:55:05,855 --> 02:55:08,491
servant of this community. As

5815
02:55:08,491 --> 02:55:09,325
do my colleagues. That

5816
02:55:09,325 --> 02:55:09,993
servanthood starts protecting

5817
02:55:09,993 --> 02:55:12,993
the citizens and following the

5818
02:55:13,796 --> 02:55:14,864
law. I am a patriot. I remember

5819
02:55:14,864 --> 02:55:15,999
the honor of hoisting the flag

5820
02:55:15,999 --> 02:55:17,400
when I was in middle school,

5821
02:55:17,400 --> 02:55:18,701
learning how to fold it

5822
02:55:18,701 --> 02:55:20,603
properly, how to raise it

5823
02:55:20,603 --> 02:55:22,104
quickly and proudly and how to

5824
02:55:22,104 --> 02:55:22,739
lower it in reverence. I

5825
02:55:22,739 --> 02:55:24,440
remember being taught how to

5826
02:55:24,440 --> 02:55:25,975
raise it all the way up before

5827
02:55:25,975 --> 02:55:26,642
lowering it back down to half

5828
02:55:26,642 --> 02:55:28,911
staff when our nation was in

5829
02:55:28,911 --> 02:55:31,414
mourning. I also remember the

5830
02:55:31,414 --> 02:55:32,816
honor of my family being given

5831
02:55:32,816 --> 02:55:33,716
a folded flag at the funerals

5832
02:55:33,716 --> 02:55:36,716
of both my grandfathers who

5833
02:55:36,786 --> 02:55:37,253
served in the military. I

5834
02:55:37,253 --> 02:55:39,155
m a

5835
02:55:39,155 --> 02:55:41,570
proud patriotic American and I

5836
02:55:41,570 --> 02:55:42,692
honor our great American flag

5837
02:55:42,692 --> 02:55:43,293
by upholding the laws and

5838
02:55:43,293 --> 02:55:45,394
democratic processes of our

5839
02:55:45,394 --> 02:55:46,462
community. I

5840
02:55:46,462 --> 02:55:47,997
d like to share a

5841
02:55:47,997 --> 02:55:50,366
few quotes from some of the

5842
02:55:50,366 --> 02:55:50,533
citizen emails I received.

5843
02:55:50,533 --> 02:55:51,901
We

5844
02:55:51,901 --> 02:55:53,236
re strongly opposed to a tax

5845
02:55:53,236 --> 02:55:54,437
amendment that would legalize

5846
02:55:54,437 --> 02:55:55,771
oversized American flag camping

5847
02:55:55,771 --> 02:55:57,140
world who knowingly and

5848
02:55:57,140 --> 02:55:58,340
flagrantly has not complied

5849
02:55:58,340 --> 02:55:59,875
with city laws on flag displays.

5850
02:55:59,875 --> 02:56:00,844
It

5851
02:56:00,844 --> 02:56:03,120
s a horrible precedent for

5852
02:56:03,120 --> 02:56:03,847
the city to then change

5853
02:56:03,847 --> 02:56:05,847
regulation and accommodate

5854
02:56:06,116 --> 02:56:07,650
businesses in violation.

5855
02:56:07,650 --> 02:56:08,651
Another one says the flag,

5856
02:56:08,651 --> 02:56:11,454
which is larger than the one

5857
02:56:11,454 --> 02:56:12,422
flown over the us Capitol is a

5858
02:56:12,422 --> 02:56:13,857
distraction to motorists. It

5859
02:56:13,857 --> 02:56:15,558
could not be lowered to half

5860
02:56:15,558 --> 02:56:17,360
staff in honor of important

5861
02:56:17,360 --> 02:56:18,762
Americans who have died. The

5862
02:56:18,762 --> 02:56:19,796
owner of Camping World

5863
02:56:19,796 --> 02:56:20,530
flagrantly violated the

5864
02:56:20,530 --> 02:56:21,765
existing ordinance and has

5865
02:56:21,765 --> 02:56:22,698
refused to pay the fines

5866
02:56:22,698 --> 02:56:24,667
imposed as a result of the

5867
02:56:24,667 --> 02:56:25,634
violation. This kind of

5868
02:56:25,634 --> 02:56:27,103
arrogance should not be

5869
02:56:27,103 --> 02:56:29,138
tolerated, let alone encouraged.

5870
02:56:29,138 --> 02:56:30,407
I know the city of Grimble have

5871
02:56:30,407 --> 02:56:31,908
more important issues to

5872
02:56:31,908 --> 02:56:33,242
address, but when we allow

5873
02:56:33,242 --> 02:56:34,977
people to violate ordinances

5874
02:56:34,977 --> 02:56:37,130
with impunity, we opened the

5875
02:56:37,130 --> 02:56:37,713
door for citizens to disregard

5876
02:56:37,713 --> 02:56:40,113
other regulations which would

5877
02:56:40,116 --> 02:56:41,184
lead to chaos. Another says

5878
02:56:41,184 --> 02:56:42,585
there are plenty of businesses

5879
02:56:42,585 --> 02:56:43,419
who are finding the American

5880
02:56:43,419 --> 02:56:45,355
flag across Greenville city

5881
02:56:45,355 --> 02:56:47,560
limits that are biding by the

5882
02:56:47,560 --> 02:56:49,426
rules set in place in camping

5883
02:56:49,426 --> 02:56:50,359
world should follow suit.

5884
02:56:50,359 --> 02:56:51,695
Another said the camping world

5885
02:56:51,695 --> 02:56:53,229
is not able to follow the

5886
02:56:53,229 --> 02:56:54,597
United States flag code. The

5887
02:56:54,597 --> 02:56:56,132
flag of the United States is

5888
02:56:56,132 --> 02:56:57,500
sacred and should be treated

5889
02:56:57,500 --> 02:56:59,936
with respect. In the us flag

5890
02:56:59,936 --> 02:57:00,970
code, it goes on to detail

5891
02:57:00,970 --> 02:57:02,239
about half staff status. The

5892
02:57:02,239 --> 02:57:04,240
Times when, when it should be

5893
02:57:04,240 --> 02:57:05,341
lowered to half staff. However,

5894
02:57:05,341 --> 02:57:06,209
Camping World was unable to

5895
02:57:06,209 --> 02:57:07,644
follow this because their flag

5896
02:57:07,644 --> 02:57:09,145
would be touching the ground,

5897
02:57:09,145 --> 02:57:10,112
which goes against Section 8.

5898
02:57:10,112 --> 02:57:11,470
Respect for the flag, which

5899
02:57:11,470 --> 02:57:12,810
states the flag should never

5900
02:57:12,810 --> 02:57:13,916
touch anything beneath it, such

5901
02:57:13,916 --> 02:57:16,519
as the ground, the floor, water,

5902
02:57:16,519 --> 02:57:17,953
and merchandise. On a side note,

5903
02:57:17,953 --> 02:57:19,422
respect the flag also states

5904
02:57:19,422 --> 02:57:22,525
that the us flag should not be

5905
02:57:22,525 --> 02:57:23,659
used for advertising. Another

5906
02:57:23,659 --> 02:57:25,528
says there was a period of time

5907
02:57:25,528 --> 02:57:26,429
when our business had to

5908
02:57:26,429 --> 02:57:27,830
relocate to another building in

5909
02:57:27,830 --> 02:57:28,831
Greenville and we had set up

5910
02:57:28,831 --> 02:57:29,866
flag banners to inform everyone

5911
02:57:29,866 --> 02:57:32,350
that we were open after just

5912
02:57:32,350 --> 02:57:33,469
moving. We were informed that

5913
02:57:33,469 --> 02:57:34,470
they could not, we could not

5914
02:57:34,470 --> 02:57:35,839
display those flags because

5915
02:57:35,839 --> 02:57:37,974
they were a distraction to

5916
02:57:37,974 --> 02:57:38,908
drivers on the road. Although

5917
02:57:38,908 --> 02:57:40,843
we disagreed with this, we

5918
02:57:40,843 --> 02:57:42,212
removed the flags. Being a part

5919
02:57:42,212 --> 02:57:43,213
of the community is respecting

5920
02:57:43,213 --> 02:57:47,413
the rules set in place by that

5921
02:57:47,883 --> 02:57:48,585
community. Another says

5922
02:57:48,585 --> 02:57:50,286
Patriotic behavior is

5923
02:57:50,286 --> 02:57:51,320
consistent with being a

5924
02:57:51,320 --> 02:57:52,788
law-abiding citizen and with

5925
02:57:52,788 --> 02:57:54,224
respect to established flag

5926
02:57:54,224 --> 02:57:55,570
etiquette, neither of which is

5927
02:57:55,570 --> 02:57:55,158
demonstrated by camping world

5928
02:57:55,158 --> 02:57:57,158
s

5929
02:57:57,561 --> 02:57:59,228
flag. Please do not disregard

5930
02:57:59,228 --> 02:58:01,300
any aspects of the existing

5931
02:58:01,300 --> 02:58:03,320
flag etiquette for the us flag

5932
02:58:03,320 --> 02:58:04,234
code to appease one business

5933
02:58:04,234 --> 02:58:08,338
and loud screams of a subset of

5934
02:58:08,338 --> 02:58:08,471
our residents. Another says,

5935
02:58:08,471 --> 02:58:09,405
I

5936
02:58:09,405 --> 02:58:11,241
m a law-abiding taxpaying

5937
02:58:11,241 --> 02:58:12,608
citizen of Greenville living

5938
02:58:12,608 --> 02:58:13,443
here for 50+ years, the

5939
02:58:13,443 --> 02:58:16,443
American flag is something I

5940
02:58:16,479 --> 02:58:17,880
hold in reverence. However, I

5941
02:58:17,880 --> 02:58:19,820
live in Lakewood Pines directly

5942
02:58:19,820 --> 02:58:20,583
across Evans Street from

5943
02:58:20,583 --> 02:58:22,819
Camping World, and the giant

5944
02:58:22,819 --> 02:58:23,419
illegal flag display. Since it

5945
02:58:23,419 --> 02:58:25,288
is brightly illuminated at

5946
02:58:25,288 --> 02:58:26,256
night, it looms over our

5947
02:58:26,256 --> 02:58:27,757
tallest trees, and when the

5948
02:58:27,757 --> 02:58:28,625
wind is blowing, I can hear the

5949
02:58:28,625 --> 02:58:30,930
very loud flapping of the

5950
02:58:30,930 --> 02:58:31,794
material, even from inside my

5951
02:58:31,794 --> 02:58:33,296
house with the windows closed.

5952
02:58:33,296 --> 02:58:34,297
I was offended when it was not

5953
02:58:34,297 --> 02:58:35,265
lowered to half-staff to show

5954
02:58:35,265 --> 02:58:38,265
respect for the passing of

5955
02:58:38,268 --> 02:58:39,936
PRESIDENT Carter. That flag is

5956
02:58:39,936 --> 02:58:43,373
not about patriotism, is it, it

5957
02:58:43,373 --> 02:58:45,800
is a marketing ploy. And

5958
02:58:45,800 --> 02:58:46,409
another one says, my father, a

5959
02:58:46,409 --> 02:58:48,311
native Dane, came to this

5960
02:58:48,311 --> 02:58:49,120
country and became a us citizen

5961
02:58:49,120 --> 02:58:51,810
after defeating the Nazis in

5962
02:58:51,810 --> 02:58:52,682
World War ii. His love for this

5963
02:58:52,682 --> 02:58:54,116
country and for the American

5964
02:58:54,116 --> 02:58:55,180
flag was palpable. He taught

5965
02:58:55,180 --> 02:58:56,853
his children to respect the

5966
02:58:56,853 --> 02:58:58,321
flag by folding it, by flying

5967
02:58:58,321 --> 02:58:58,988
it proudly every day, and

5968
02:58:58,988 --> 02:59:01,791
unless it was illuminated, it

5969
02:59:01,791 --> 02:59:02,458
was to be taken down at dusk.

5970
02:59:02,458 --> 02:59:03,893
Half-mast meant raising it

5971
02:59:03,893 --> 02:59:06,629
fully and then bringing it back

5972
02:59:06,629 --> 02:59:08,632
down to 5. Size also mattered

5973
02:59:08,632 --> 02:59:10,100
to display an incorrect size is

5974
02:59:10,100 --> 02:59:11,340
simply wrong. It is

5975
02:59:11,340 --> 02:59:12,936
disrespectful to flaunt the

5976
02:59:12,936 --> 02:59:13,269
stars and stripes in a boastful

5977
02:59:13,269 --> 02:59:15,500
manner. It

5978
02:59:15,500 --> 02:59:17,730
s vulgar at best. We

5979
02:59:17,730 --> 02:59:17,941
are not a boastful community

5980
02:59:17,941 --> 02:59:19,208
that encourages bypassing laws

5981
02:59:19,208 --> 02:59:23,408
that are put into place for a

5982
02:59:23,480 --> 02:59:26,480
reason. The only email I

5983
02:59:26,850 --> 02:59:29,219
received in support. Of The

5984
02:59:29,219 --> 02:59:31,619
ordinance, uh, amendment, the,

5985
02:59:31,755 --> 02:59:33,156
the text amendment, um,

5986
02:59:33,156 --> 02:59:33,723
included some really great

5987
02:59:33,723 --> 02:59:35,723
information about having

5988
02:59:37,600 --> 02:59:38,495
respect for the flag. Uh, and

5989
02:59:38,495 --> 02:59:40,330
one section said a symbol

5990
02:59:40,330 --> 02:59:42,765
deeply embedded with the values

5991
02:59:42,765 --> 02:59:44,167
of, of freedom and democracy.

5992
02:59:44,167 --> 02:59:46,102
Principles upon which the

5993
02:59:46,102 --> 02:59:46,703
United States was founded. It

5994
02:59:46,703 --> 02:59:47,700
signals the country

5995
02:59:47,700 --> 02:59:48,205
s

5996
02:59:48,205 --> 02:59:49,606
commitment to these ideals,

5997
02:59:49,606 --> 02:59:50,107
reminding citizens in the world

5998
02:59:50,107 --> 02:59:51,441
of America

5999
02:59:51,441 --> 02:59:52,108
s dedication to

6000
02:59:52,108 --> 02:59:54,110
upholding freedom and justice

6001
02:59:54,110 --> 02:59:55,120
for all. Whether displayed in a

6002
02:59:55,120 --> 02:59:56,912
school, a government building,

6003
02:59:56,912 --> 02:59:58,114
or a family home, the flag

6004
02:59:58,114 --> 02:59:59,548
continuously serves as a prompt

6005
02:59:59,548 --> 03:00:00,717
for reflection on these core

6006
03:00:00,717 --> 03:00:04,200
values and a call to uphold

6007
03:00:04,200 --> 03:00:06,990
them daily. And my comment on

6008
03:00:06,990 --> 03:00:08,324
that is freedom and democracy.

6009
03:00:08,324 --> 03:00:10,160
Are principles that must be

6010
03:00:10,160 --> 03:00:11,940
held simultaneously. We do not

6011
03:00:11,940 --> 03:00:14,464
have the freedom to do whatever

6012
03:00:14,464 --> 03:00:16,700
we want. We live in a democracy

6013
03:00:16,700 --> 03:00:18,340
of a nation of laws. We elect

6014
03:00:18,340 --> 03:00:19,100
officials to govern and to make

6015
03:00:19,100 --> 03:00:19,603
amendments to the laws when

6016
03:00:19,603 --> 03:00:20,300
necessary, but we don

6017
03:00:20,300 --> 03:00:20,970
t get to

6018
03:00:20,970 --> 03:00:23,440
pick and choose which laws we

6019
03:00:23,440 --> 03:00:24,875
follow. We think law is unjust

6020
03:00:24,875 --> 03:00:25,575
and we follow the democratic

6021
03:00:25,575 --> 03:00:28,770
process and get the law changed.

6022
03:00:28,770 --> 03:00:31,770
Camping World believes it is

6023
03:00:34,150 --> 03:00:36,520
above the law. And in closing,

6024
03:00:36,520 --> 03:00:38,755
George Washington wrote, if to

6025
03:00:38,755 --> 03:00:40,723
please the people, we offer

6026
03:00:40,723 --> 03:00:42,258
what we ourselves disapprove.

6027
03:00:42,258 --> 03:00:45,628
How can we afterward defend our

6028
03:00:45,628 --> 03:00:47,430
work. Let us raise a standard

6029
03:00:47,430 --> 03:00:49,699
to which the wise and the

6030
03:00:49,699 --> 03:00:52,402
honest can repair. The event is

6031
03:00:52,402 --> 03:00:53,303
in the hand of GOD. That

6032
03:00:53,303 --> 03:00:54,738
s to

6033
03:00:54,738 --> 03:00:57,207
say that if I prove something

6034
03:00:57,207 --> 03:00:58,175
tonight that I know is wrong.

6035
03:00:58,175 --> 03:00:59,643
Even to get this mess out of

6036
03:00:59,643 --> 03:01:02,545
the way, to move on to save

6037
03:01:02,545 --> 03:01:02,713
face, to save money. I, I, I

6038
03:01:02,713 --> 03:01:04,140
can

6039
03:01:04,140 --> 03:01:04,548
t defend that going forward.

6040
03:01:04,548 --> 03:01:06,115
I can

6041
03:01:06,115 --> 03:01:07,851
t look my fellow citizens

6042
03:01:07,851 --> 03:01:08,852
in the eye that I love and

6043
03:01:08,852 --> 03:01:09,453
respect and I

6044
03:01:09,453 --> 03:01:11,121
ve shared these,

6045
03:01:11,121 --> 03:01:11,922
you know, very impassioned

6046
03:01:11,922 --> 03:01:12,121
testimonies to me. I can

6047
03:01:12,121 --> 03:01:14,121
t look

6048
03:01:15,759 --> 03:01:16,359
at them. Anymore and and with

6049
03:01:16,359 --> 03:01:17,193
respect, I wouldn

6050
03:01:17,193 --> 03:01:18,161
t expect them

6051
03:01:18,161 --> 03:01:18,328
to respect me cause I

6052
03:01:18,328 --> 03:01:18,428
m, I

6053
03:01:18,428 --> 03:01:20,163
m

6054
03:01:20,163 --> 03:01:20,396
caving. And I just can

6055
03:01:20,396 --> 03:01:22,396
t handle

6056
03:01:23,366 --> 03:01:24,100
that. So I really appreciate

6057
03:01:24,100 --> 03:01:26,169
those words from George

6058
03:01:26,169 --> 03:01:28,569
Washington. Providing me with

6059
03:01:29,172 --> 03:01:32,643
the What I need to move on in

6060
03:01:32,643 --> 03:01:34,845
this moment. Um If to please

6061
03:01:34,845 --> 03:01:36,380
the people we offer what we

6062
03:01:36,380 --> 03:01:37,380
ourselves disapprove. How can

6063
03:01:37,380 --> 03:01:40,380
we afterward defend our work.

6064
03:01:40,516 --> 03:01:41,384
We cannot. I know that Camping

6065
03:01:41,384 --> 03:01:44,384
World has what Camping World

6066
03:01:44,387 --> 03:01:45,355
has done is wrong. They have

6067
03:01:45,355 --> 03:01:46,356
disrespected our community, and

6068
03:01:46,356 --> 03:01:48,756
they have disrespected the

6069
03:01:48,758 --> 03:01:49,559
American flag. And I cannot

6070
03:01:49,559 --> 03:01:52,829
have a vote to approve this

6071
03:01:52,829 --> 03:01:54,829
amendment. Councilmember

6072
03:01:58,435 --> 03:02:02,635
Blackburn. I, I call on you. Ok,

6073
03:02:02,972 --> 03:02:04,975
all right, ok. All right. Be

6074
03:02:04,975 --> 03:02:07,100
kind, um, I can hardly improve

6075
03:02:07,100 --> 03:02:09,179
on, uh, what council member

6076
03:02:09,179 --> 03:02:11,614
Scully has just, uh, shared

6077
03:02:11,614 --> 03:02:12,949
with us. Um, I do think though

6078
03:02:12,949 --> 03:02:14,351
that for the, for the record,

6079
03:02:14,351 --> 03:02:17,421
it is important to speak on

6080
03:02:17,421 --> 03:02:18,255
this because it is an extremely

6081
03:02:18,255 --> 03:02:18,421
important conversation and

6082
03:02:18,421 --> 03:02:20,323
we

6083
03:02:20,323 --> 03:02:22,726
ve faced an enormous amount

6084
03:02:22,726 --> 03:02:24,595
of pressure and, um, And

6085
03:02:24,595 --> 03:02:28,795
frankly, a lot of anger as well

6086
03:02:28,932 --> 03:02:29,232
as a lot of very good support.

6087
03:02:29,232 --> 03:02:30,400
So when I

6088
03:02:30,400 --> 03:02:31,735
ve looked at this, I,

6089
03:02:31,735 --> 03:02:33,770
I, I have to start with the

6090
03:02:33,770 --> 03:02:36,170
question. When someone breaks

6091
03:02:36,607 --> 03:02:37,708
the law. We throw our hands up

6092
03:02:37,708 --> 03:02:38,408
and say, oh well, I guess we

6093
03:02:38,408 --> 03:02:41,878
have to change the law for them.

6094
03:02:41,878 --> 03:02:42,946
If they wrap themselves up in a

6095
03:02:42,946 --> 03:02:45,749
flag when they break the law,

6096
03:02:45,749 --> 03:02:47,384
does that make it ok? If a

6097
03:02:47,384 --> 03:02:49,219
business comes to Greenville

6098
03:02:49,219 --> 03:02:50,453
and asks taxpayers to fund its

6099
03:02:50,453 --> 03:02:52,853
advertising campaign? Do we

6100
03:02:53,122 --> 03:02:54,691
pass the hat for them? And if

6101
03:02:54,691 --> 03:02:55,993
they lie on an official

6102
03:02:55,993 --> 03:02:58,595
government form, does that make

6103
03:02:58,595 --> 03:03:00,531
them patriotic? The issue

6104
03:03:00,531 --> 03:03:00,864
before us tonight is not about

6105
03:03:00,864 --> 03:03:02,864
our country

6106
03:03:02,933 --> 03:03:04,670
s flag. It concerns

6107
03:03:04,670 --> 03:03:04,401
respect for community

6108
03:03:04,401 --> 03:03:06,401
s laws.

6109
03:03:06,470 --> 03:03:09,239
Indeed, we must ask ourselves

6110
03:03:09,239 --> 03:03:10,407
what is patriotic? Is it

6111
03:03:10,407 --> 03:03:13,477
patriotic to lie on an official

6112
03:03:13,477 --> 03:03:14,344
government forum? To deceive a

6113
03:03:14,344 --> 03:03:16,744
community about your true

6114
03:03:17,480 --> 03:03:19,550
intentions. Is it patriotic to

6115
03:03:19,550 --> 03:03:21,518
bully, a modest local

6116
03:03:21,518 --> 03:03:22,886
government, us, whose goals are

6117
03:03:22,886 --> 03:03:23,721
simply to support a good

6118
03:03:23,721 --> 03:03:26,523
quality of life for our

6119
03:03:26,523 --> 03:03:28,759
citizens. Is it patriotic to

6120
03:03:28,759 --> 03:03:30,260
bitterly divide a community? Is

6121
03:03:30,260 --> 03:03:31,270
it patriotic to ask Greenville

6122
03:03:31,270 --> 03:03:33,427
taxpayers to fund your

6123
03:03:33,964 --> 03:03:35,432
marketing campaign. We must be

6124
03:03:35,432 --> 03:03:37,000
crystal clear. This problem did

6125
03:03:37,000 --> 03:03:38,735
not exist until Camping World

6126
03:03:38,735 --> 03:03:41,135
stirred up controversy. They

6127
03:03:41,638 --> 03:03:42,973
made the quiet, noble act of

6128
03:03:42,973 --> 03:03:44,942
flying a flag into a huge

6129
03:03:44,942 --> 03:03:46,743
marketing campaign. Hiding

6130
03:03:46,743 --> 03:03:48,746
behind the flag, this company

6131
03:03:48,746 --> 03:03:49,813
pushed its way forward,

6132
03:03:49,813 --> 03:03:52,820
attracting attention for itself

6133
03:03:52,820 --> 03:03:53,683
and forcing our city staff to

6134
03:03:53,683 --> 03:03:54,585
focus on its lawbreaking. Make

6135
03:03:54,585 --> 03:03:55,452
no mistake, that

6136
03:03:55,452 --> 03:03:57,420
s the request

6137
03:03:57,420 --> 03:03:58,122
here to force the good people

6138
03:03:58,122 --> 03:04:01,122
of Greenville to bend to

6139
03:04:01,258 --> 03:04:02,659
bullying. Do we not have more

6140
03:04:02,659 --> 03:04:05,662
important issues now? Do we not

6141
03:04:05,662 --> 03:04:07,300
have poverty, a lack of housing,

6142
03:04:07,300 --> 03:04:08,899
insufficient healthcare? Do we

6143
03:04:08,899 --> 03:04:10,533
not have children who need our

6144
03:04:10,533 --> 03:04:12,536
focus, who need food and safe

6145
03:04:12,536 --> 03:04:14,671
places to play. Safe

6146
03:04:14,671 --> 03:04:16,640
intersections and learning. Do

6147
03:04:16,640 --> 03:04:18,508
we not have elderly people

6148
03:04:18,508 --> 03:04:19,175
without caretakers? Do we not

6149
03:04:19,175 --> 03:04:21,575
have countless other priorities

6150
03:04:21,612 --> 03:04:25,490
right now. Indeed, those of us

6151
03:04:25,490 --> 03:04:26,160
sitting here. We only want to

6152
03:04:26,160 --> 03:04:28,451
focus on helping and supporting

6153
03:04:28,451 --> 03:04:30,851
our citizens. Providing clean

6154
03:04:32,355 --> 03:04:33,356
air, soil and water. Job

6155
03:04:33,356 --> 03:04:35,756
opportunities, safe streets and

6156
03:04:36,193 --> 03:04:37,628
safety in our homes. Genuine

6157
03:04:37,628 --> 03:04:38,395
economic development like the

6158
03:04:38,395 --> 03:04:40,795
hopeful industrial park we

6159
03:04:42,432 --> 03:04:43,433
toured on Tuesday. We welcomed

6160
03:04:43,433 --> 03:04:44,200
this business into our

6161
03:04:44,200 --> 03:04:46,970
community and what has it done

6162
03:04:46,970 --> 03:04:48,705
in return? Light on its

6163
03:04:48,705 --> 03:04:50,107
building permit application.

6164
03:04:50,107 --> 03:04:51,575
Place itself above all other

6165
03:04:51,575 --> 03:04:53,110
businesses in this community

6166
03:04:53,110 --> 03:04:53,744
who managed to flourish while

6167
03:04:53,744 --> 03:04:56,744
flying the flag according to

6168
03:04:57,581 --> 03:04:59,182
code. Refused to pay fines

6169
03:04:59,182 --> 03:05:01,182
currently totaling over $8000

6170
03:05:01,785 --> 03:05:03,620
and divided our community. So

6171
03:05:03,620 --> 03:05:04,988
the central issue is this, does

6172
03:05:04,988 --> 03:05:07,958
the city give a reward for

6173
03:05:07,958 --> 03:05:11,127
breaking the law? Do we change

6174
03:05:11,127 --> 03:05:13,396
our laws for illegal behavior?

6175
03:05:13,396 --> 03:05:14,331
Can you imagine the mayhem? If

6176
03:05:14,331 --> 03:05:16,667
we changed our laws for every

6177
03:05:16,667 --> 03:05:17,668
lawbreaker. And if that

6178
03:05:17,668 --> 03:05:20,680
lawbreaker hides behind the

6179
03:05:22,500 --> 03:05:23,507
flag, does it make it ok? Last,

6180
03:05:23,507 --> 03:05:24,941
safety has been addressed. The

6181
03:05:24,941 --> 03:05:25,410
flag poses a safety risk. We

6182
03:05:25,410 --> 03:05:26,877
ve

6183
03:05:26,877 --> 03:05:27,811
heard tonight how it poses a

6184
03:05:27,811 --> 03:05:28,245
light and noise risk. It

6185
03:05:28,245 --> 03:05:29,130
s

6186
03:05:29,130 --> 03:05:32,130
almost 3/4 the size of a

6187
03:05:32,482 --> 03:05:32,883
basketball court. In 130 ft

6188
03:05:32,883 --> 03:05:34,518
high, it

6189
03:05:34,518 --> 03:05:35,852
s 13 stories, which is

6190
03:05:35,852 --> 03:05:36,420
higher than anything else in

6191
03:05:36,420 --> 03:05:36,687
Greenville. It

6192
03:05:36,687 --> 03:05:38,589
s not been

6193
03:05:38,589 --> 03:05:40,323
inspected. Greenville is

6194
03:05:40,323 --> 03:05:42,192
central, as we know, to

6195
03:05:42,192 --> 03:05:43,227
hurricanes, tornadoes,

6196
03:05:43,227 --> 03:05:45,290
destructive winds and storms.

6197
03:05:45,290 --> 03:05:47,197
Can we risk a display of this

6198
03:05:47,197 --> 03:05:48,565
size so near two major traffic

6199
03:05:48,565 --> 03:05:49,867
corridors, neighborhoods, other

6200
03:05:49,867 --> 03:05:50,330
businesses and homes. And it

6201
03:05:50,330 --> 03:05:52,330
can

6202
03:05:52,102 --> 03:05:53,770
t be flown at half-mast is

6203
03:05:53,770 --> 03:05:55,806
how it has helped, as has been

6204
03:05:55,806 --> 03:05:57,775
discussed. Finally, from the

6205
03:05:57,775 --> 03:05:59,709
start, this company acted in

6206
03:05:59,709 --> 03:06:00,644
bad faith, lying on his

6207
03:06:00,644 --> 03:06:01,345
building permit application,

6208
03:06:01,345 --> 03:06:04,345
claiming it would comply with

6209
03:06:05,149 --> 03:06:06,383
city laws. And like council

6210
03:06:06,383 --> 03:06:06,483
member Scully described, I

6211
03:06:06,483 --> 03:06:08,483
ve

6212
03:06:08,552 --> 03:06:11,540
heard from many of you and

6213
03:06:11,540 --> 03:06:12,220
overwhelmingly. Overwhelmingly

6214
03:06:12,220 --> 03:06:15,220
You disagree with this text

6215
03:06:15,726 --> 03:06:16,993
amendment. At a very basic

6216
03:06:16,993 --> 03:06:20,231
level, I was elected to serve

6217
03:06:20,231 --> 03:06:21,766
the people. I was also elected

6218
03:06:21,766 --> 03:06:23,267
to, to listen to my own

6219
03:06:23,267 --> 03:06:25,936
conscience. Well, in this case,

6220
03:06:25,936 --> 03:06:27,304
they come together. Researching

6221
03:06:27,304 --> 03:06:29,573
this company, I learned that in

6222
03:06:29,573 --> 03:06:31,608
DECEMBER, Camping World will be

6223
03:06:31,608 --> 03:06:33,910
was required to pay the state

6224
03:06:33,910 --> 03:06:36,310
of Oregon $3.5 million to

6225
03:06:36,913 --> 03:06:37,848
settle a lawsuit involving a

6226
03:06:37,848 --> 03:06:39,250
multi-year consumer protection

6227
03:06:39,250 --> 03:06:40,217
investigation by the Oregon

6228
03:06:40,217 --> 03:06:42,219
Department of Justice. Under

6229
03:06:42,219 --> 03:06:44,788
the terms of the agreement, 3

6230
03:06:44,788 --> 03:06:46,657
million will be used to refund

6231
03:06:46,657 --> 03:06:48,225
customers who paid more than

6232
03:06:48,225 --> 03:06:49,427
the advertised price when

6233
03:06:49,427 --> 03:06:50,494
during negotiations, the

6234
03:06:50,494 --> 03:06:51,495
company would call back

6235
03:06:51,495 --> 03:06:53,895
discounted prices by double

6236
03:06:54,464 --> 03:06:55,532
charging them. So in conclusion,

6237
03:06:55,532 --> 03:06:56,333
we have 3 questions. What

6238
03:06:56,333 --> 03:06:58,435
action is best for our

6239
03:06:58,435 --> 03:06:59,870
community? We were elected to

6240
03:06:59,870 --> 03:07:02,373
serve the people of Greenville

6241
03:07:02,373 --> 03:07:03,730
and act in predictable ways,

6242
03:07:03,730 --> 03:07:03,707
upholding the law and

6243
03:07:03,707 --> 03:07:06,707
fulfilling the will of our

6244
03:07:06,743 --> 03:07:08,743
community. 2, what action

6245
03:07:09,146 --> 03:07:10,460
represents good policy. Our

6246
03:07:10,460 --> 03:07:12,446
ordinances are established for

6247
03:07:12,783 --> 03:07:13,751
the good of all in our city.

6248
03:07:13,751 --> 03:07:16,751
Changing policy in response to

6249
03:07:17,220 --> 03:07:18,689
one violation. Is wrong. And

6250
03:07:18,689 --> 03:07:19,290
finally, what action

6251
03:07:19,290 --> 03:07:21,458
demonstrates the values we

6252
03:07:21,458 --> 03:07:22,926
believe in. Removing this

6253
03:07:22,926 --> 03:07:25,863
oversized flag will show that

6254
03:07:25,863 --> 03:07:26,930
we honor and uphold the dignity

6255
03:07:26,930 --> 03:07:29,467
of our national symbol and obey

6256
03:07:29,467 --> 03:07:31,401
the rule of law. I cannot in

6257
03:07:31,401 --> 03:07:32,303
good, in good conscience

6258
03:07:32,303 --> 03:07:34,271
support this text amendment

6259
03:07:34,271 --> 03:07:36,140
that rewards bad faith actions,

6260
03:07:36,140 --> 03:07:36,640
illegal behavior, and

6261
03:07:36,640 --> 03:07:36,740
dishonoring our nation

6262
03:07:36,740 --> 03:07:38,740
s

6263
03:07:39,710 --> 03:07:42,110
highest symbol. Council Mayor

6264
03:07:43,847 --> 03:07:45,349
Wills. Thank you, Mayor. Um, I,

6265
03:07:45,349 --> 03:07:46,316
um, I really encouraged by the

6266
03:07:46,316 --> 03:07:47,184
civic engagement that I

6267
03:07:47,184 --> 03:07:49,119
ve seen

6268
03:07:49,119 --> 03:07:51,550
tonight and as um council

6269
03:07:51,550 --> 03:07:52,156
member Scully, um, was able to

6270
03:07:52,156 --> 03:07:52,389
reference the different emails

6271
03:07:52,389 --> 03:07:53,900
that we

6272
03:07:53,900 --> 03:07:53,190
ve received. Um, I

6273
03:07:53,190 --> 03:07:55,190
m

6274
03:07:55,492 --> 03:07:57,361
glad that you were able to give

6275
03:07:57,361 --> 03:07:58,795
voice to um what people MAY not

6276
03:07:58,795 --> 03:08:01,298
enlarge might have known about

6277
03:08:01,298 --> 03:08:03,300
in terms of those emails. Um,

6278
03:08:03,300 --> 03:08:05,836
so we are aware that on JANUARY

6279
03:08:05,836 --> 03:08:08,836
9th, that the council decided

6280
03:08:09,673 --> 03:08:10,508
to, um, Unanimously deny a

6281
03:08:10,508 --> 03:08:13,508
petition by Camping World and

6282
03:08:13,511 --> 03:08:15,679
so I want to give a little

6283
03:08:15,679 --> 03:08:18,114
context as to why then in

6284
03:08:18,114 --> 03:08:19,884
JANUARY there was a flip. So on

6285
03:08:19,884 --> 03:08:21,885
JANUARY 25th of this year as

6286
03:08:21,885 --> 03:08:23,353
the city council concluded our

6287
03:08:23,353 --> 03:08:25,189
annual planning retreat, we

6288
03:08:25,189 --> 03:08:25,923
were advised to go into closed

6289
03:08:25,923 --> 03:08:26,723
session. It wasn

6290
03:08:26,723 --> 03:08:28,920
t until we got

6291
03:08:28,920 --> 03:08:30,270
into closed session that we

6292
03:08:30,270 --> 03:08:30,661
learned one of the topics we

6293
03:08:30,661 --> 03:08:33,661
would be discussing was the

6294
03:08:33,998 --> 03:08:36,400
flag. There was great concern

6295
03:08:36,400 --> 03:08:37,735
about the desired city outcomes,

6296
03:08:37,735 --> 03:08:40,104
the legal ramifications and the

6297
03:08:40,104 --> 03:08:42,504
public perception. After about

6298
03:08:43,540 --> 03:08:43,974
an hour, an hour, y

6299
03:08:43,974 --> 03:08:45,175
all of um

6300
03:08:45,175 --> 03:08:47,711
discussion. I was left with

6301
03:08:47,711 --> 03:08:48,946
only one question. What do I

6302
03:08:48,946 --> 03:08:52,750
consider to be a win in this

6303
03:08:52,750 --> 03:08:54,451
situation. We as a council are

6304
03:08:54,451 --> 03:08:57,451
representation of the city and

6305
03:08:57,621 --> 03:08:58,255
our unity or the lack thereof

6306
03:08:58,255 --> 03:09:00,655
will permeate throughout our

6307
03:09:02,260 --> 03:09:03,760
city. So as a result, my

6308
03:09:03,760 --> 03:09:05,595
contribution to the discussion

6309
03:09:05,595 --> 03:09:08,499
was to yield to whatever

6310
03:09:08,499 --> 03:09:10,167
decision would bring peace. It

6311
03:09:10,167 --> 03:09:11,536
was advised that what would

6312
03:09:11,536 --> 03:09:13,337
bring peace would be to request

6313
03:09:13,337 --> 03:09:14,872
our staff to create a text

6314
03:09:14,872 --> 03:09:15,539
amendment to allow Camping

6315
03:09:15,539 --> 03:09:17,775
World to to fly their current

6316
03:09:17,775 --> 03:09:19,777
flag. Once we came out of

6317
03:09:19,777 --> 03:09:21,445
closed session, we took a vote

6318
03:09:21,445 --> 03:09:22,646
requesting this, requesting the

6319
03:09:22,646 --> 03:09:23,747
staff to, uh, draft that

6320
03:09:23,747 --> 03:09:24,381
amendment and bring it back to

6321
03:09:24,381 --> 03:09:24,582
us, which is why we

6322
03:09:24,582 --> 03:09:26,582
re here

6323
03:09:30,254 --> 03:09:31,188
tonight. Unfortunately, upon.

6324
03:09:31,188 --> 03:09:33,900
Leaving the planning retreat,

6325
03:09:33,900 --> 03:09:34,625
not even about 20 minutes after

6326
03:09:34,625 --> 03:09:37,494
taking that vote, I read on

6327
03:09:37,494 --> 03:09:38,429
social media a post that I felt

6328
03:09:38,429 --> 03:09:39,864
was a complete

6329
03:09:39,864 --> 03:09:40,497
misrepresentation of the

6330
03:09:40,497 --> 03:09:41,799
immense thought and

6331
03:09:41,799 --> 03:09:42,867
consideration that we as a

6332
03:09:42,867 --> 03:09:45,603
council put into making our

6333
03:09:45,603 --> 03:09:46,304
decision. It seemed to

6334
03:09:46,304 --> 03:09:48,704
undermine our purest intentions.

6335
03:09:49,600 --> 03:09:50,541
I felt as though while we

6336
03:09:50,541 --> 03:09:52,142
sought to be united on this

6337
03:09:52,142 --> 03:09:54,946
issue, perhaps we were united

6338
03:09:54,946 --> 03:09:56,313
around the wrong issue. Instead

6339
03:09:56,313 --> 03:09:56,513
of placating a known bully,

6340
03:09:56,513 --> 03:09:56,981
there

6341
03:09:56,981 --> 03:09:57,810
s that word again. I

6342
03:09:57,810 --> 03:09:58,749
ve

6343
03:09:58,749 --> 03:10:00,151
heard it a couple of times

6344
03:10:00,151 --> 03:10:02,152
tonight. Uh, instead of

6345
03:10:02,152 --> 03:10:03,620
placating a known bully, we and

6346
03:10:03,620 --> 03:10:05,556
allowing them to exploit our

6347
03:10:05,556 --> 03:10:07,892
city for profit, national media

6348
03:10:07,892 --> 03:10:09,827
attention, and it is, excuse me,

6349
03:10:09,827 --> 03:10:11,295
instead of placating a known

6350
03:10:11,295 --> 03:10:13,264
bully and allowing them to

6351
03:10:13,264 --> 03:10:15,165
exploit our city for profit and

6352
03:10:15,165 --> 03:10:17,234
national media attention. It is

6353
03:10:17,234 --> 03:10:18,235
my conviction that we should be

6354
03:10:18,235 --> 03:10:20,470
standing firm and united,

6355
03:10:20,470 --> 03:10:21,839
showing that we are smarter

6356
03:10:21,839 --> 03:10:24,141
than the tactic tactics that

6357
03:10:24,141 --> 03:10:25,543
seek to divide us. This issue,

6358
03:10:25,543 --> 03:10:27,111
as stated before, has never

6359
03:10:27,111 --> 03:10:28,479
been about the American flag.

6360
03:10:28,479 --> 03:10:30,914
If it were, I believe that

6361
03:10:30,914 --> 03:10:31,582
Camping World would abide by,

6362
03:10:31,582 --> 03:10:34,552
um, the flag code and its

6363
03:10:34,552 --> 03:10:35,687
standards. Our ordinances,

6364
03:10:35,687 --> 03:10:36,987
regulations, and policies

6365
03:10:36,987 --> 03:10:39,900
should stand in camping world

6366
03:10:39,900 --> 03:10:40,658
should abide by our standards.

6367
03:10:40,658 --> 03:10:43,227
Or face financial or legal

6368
03:10:43,227 --> 03:10:44,295
consequences. I also want to

6369
03:10:44,295 --> 03:10:46,997
note that Camping World can

6370
03:10:46,997 --> 03:10:48,433
still make this right. They can

6371
03:10:48,433 --> 03:10:49,660
take down the flag pole and the

6372
03:10:49,660 --> 03:10:49,901
flag that

6373
03:10:49,901 --> 03:10:51,835
s in violation and

6374
03:10:51,835 --> 03:10:52,803
replace it with what they

6375
03:10:52,803 --> 03:10:55,203
initially said they would

6376
03:10:55,706 --> 03:10:57,141
install via the permit. The

6377
03:10:57,141 --> 03:10:58,509
city could then inspect it, and

6378
03:10:58,509 --> 03:10:59,777
if all goes well, then they

6379
03:10:59,777 --> 03:11:03,377
would be in compliance with the

6380
03:11:03,780 --> 03:11:04,816
city policy. After all, bright

6381
03:11:04,816 --> 03:11:08,352
is still right and wrong is

6382
03:11:08,352 --> 03:11:09,787
still wrong. While I appreciate

6383
03:11:09,787 --> 03:11:11,355
our staff a hearing and

6384
03:11:11,355 --> 03:11:13,691
providing the council with our

6385
03:11:13,691 --> 03:11:14,792
request. It is my intention to

6386
03:11:14,792 --> 03:11:15,226
vote against the drafted

6387
03:11:15,226 --> 03:11:15,792
amendment and I

6388
03:11:15,792 --> 03:11:16,227
m glad to know

6389
03:11:16,227 --> 03:11:17,161
that I

6390
03:11:17,161 --> 03:11:18,363
m not the only one who

6391
03:11:18,363 --> 03:11:21,363
feels that way tonight. Thank

6392
03:11:22,533 --> 03:11:22,667
you, Mayor. Any other comments?

6393
03:11:22,667 --> 03:11:24,667
I

6394
03:11:26,737 --> 03:11:26,838
ll make mine. Um I didn

6395
03:11:26,838 --> 03:11:28,838
t

6396
03:11:32,176 --> 03:11:33,311
write anything. Um, I am not a

6397
03:11:33,311 --> 03:11:36,681
politician. I say that all the

6398
03:11:36,681 --> 03:11:37,648
time. Um, I

6399
03:11:37,648 --> 03:11:37,881
m a public servant,

6400
03:11:37,881 --> 03:11:39,881
and I

6401
03:11:42,787 --> 03:11:45,189
m a servant leader. Uh As

6402
03:11:45,189 --> 03:11:45,823
it relates to this issue, my

6403
03:11:45,823 --> 03:11:48,823
posture has not changed from

6404
03:11:50,661 --> 03:11:52,620
the beginning. So, uh, yes,

6405
03:11:52,620 --> 03:11:54,462
there have been several

6406
03:11:55,232 --> 03:11:56,166
conversations about Uh, camping

6407
03:11:56,166 --> 03:11:59,166
world and flag on different

6408
03:12:01,505 --> 03:12:03,441
dates. My posture. And my

6409
03:12:03,441 --> 03:12:04,175
comments have remained

6410
03:12:04,175 --> 03:12:06,575
consistent every time we

6411
03:12:07,511 --> 03:12:10,114
discussed it. Uh, even on

6412
03:12:10,114 --> 03:12:11,114
JANUARY 25th. There might have

6413
03:12:11,114 --> 03:12:11,315
been some flipping, but I

6414
03:12:11,315 --> 03:12:13,315
didn

6415
03:12:16,353 --> 03:12:18,756
t flip. I was standing 4.

6416
03:12:18,756 --> 03:12:20,925
Us to vote against the flag.

6417
03:12:20,925 --> 03:12:23,394
Even if I had to stand alone

6418
03:12:23,394 --> 03:12:24,495
because like. COUNCILWOMAN

6419
03:12:24,495 --> 03:12:28,950
Willis just said right is right

6420
03:12:28,365 --> 03:12:29,934
and wrong is wrong. Uh, we

6421
03:12:29,934 --> 03:12:30,869
definitely know that they were

6422
03:12:30,869 --> 03:12:32,236
dishonest. I

6423
03:12:32,236 --> 03:12:34,380
m not gonna repeat

6424
03:12:34,380 --> 03:12:36,173
everything, um, one of my

6425
03:12:36,173 --> 03:12:37,842
biggest concerns was safety.

6426
03:12:37,842 --> 03:12:41,442
The flag has not been inspected.

6427
03:12:44,315 --> 03:12:47,618
Um, and, Where it is located is

6428
03:12:47,618 --> 03:12:48,820
a major thoroughfare. And so

6429
03:12:48,820 --> 03:12:51,820
with the dynamics of our

6430
03:12:53,624 --> 03:12:56,600
community. If we were to have a

6431
03:12:56,600 --> 03:12:59,290
hurricane or a strong storm. I

6432
03:12:59,290 --> 03:13:02,290
was really concerned about if

6433
03:13:02,867 --> 03:13:06,304
the post um fail or. If the

6434
03:13:06,304 --> 03:13:08,839
flag came loose and went on

6435
03:13:08,839 --> 03:13:09,774
Evans Street and, you know, uh,

6436
03:13:09,774 --> 03:13:11,800
cover some cars or something

6437
03:13:11,800 --> 03:13:14,780
like that and cause a major

6438
03:13:14,780 --> 03:13:17,780
accident. Um, in addition to

6439
03:13:21,852 --> 03:13:23,921
that, If it were any one else.

6440
03:13:23,921 --> 03:13:27,521
Anywhere else in our city with

6441
03:13:27,692 --> 03:13:29,326
any other type of flag, I asked

6442
03:13:29,326 --> 03:13:32,497
our staff what would you do and

6443
03:13:32,497 --> 03:13:32,597
how would you respond? I don

6444
03:13:32,597 --> 03:13:34,597
t

6445
03:13:34,598 --> 03:13:35,867
feel like I got a completely

6446
03:13:35,867 --> 03:13:38,867
honest answer. I think in

6447
03:13:39,237 --> 03:13:40,805
certain parts of the city, if

6448
03:13:40,805 --> 03:13:42,707
the flag that size with a pole

6449
03:13:42,707 --> 03:13:44,142
that high had been put up, it

6450
03:13:44,142 --> 03:13:46,542
would have already been

6451
03:13:46,811 --> 03:13:49,211
bulldozed down. And the

6452
03:13:50,114 --> 03:13:52,149
so-called patriots that have

6453
03:13:52,149 --> 03:13:53,651
been um abusing people with

6454
03:13:53,651 --> 03:13:56,620
their rhetoric would have been

6455
03:13:56,620 --> 03:13:57,288
out there cheering them on with

6456
03:13:57,288 --> 03:13:59,688
megaphones while they bulldozed.

6457
03:13:59,824 --> 03:14:00,591
So there

6458
03:14:00,591 --> 03:14:02,991
s a lack of

6459
03:14:04,729 --> 03:14:05,663
consistency. When we have

6460
03:14:05,663 --> 03:14:07,598
expectations for what type of

6461
03:14:07,598 --> 03:14:10,635
laws we have in our city and

6462
03:14:10,635 --> 03:14:12,436
who are to uphold them. Uh, the

6463
03:14:12,436 --> 03:14:13,804
amount of money someone has in

6464
03:14:13,804 --> 03:14:15,940
their bank account should not

6465
03:14:15,940 --> 03:14:19,377
dictate that. So that was one

6466
03:14:19,377 --> 03:14:20,745
of the reasons that I again

6467
03:14:20,745 --> 03:14:20,845
consistently every time we

6468
03:14:20,845 --> 03:14:22,347
ve

6469
03:14:22,347 --> 03:14:25,347
had the conversation, have not

6470
03:14:26,384 --> 03:14:26,584
supported. This flag. Lastly,

6471
03:14:26,584 --> 03:14:27,619
there

6472
03:14:27,619 --> 03:14:30,619
s nothing about the flag

6473
03:14:31,656 --> 03:14:33,858
that is official. This is not

6474
03:14:33,858 --> 03:14:36,258
an official governmentaa. It

6475
03:14:36,761 --> 03:14:37,795
does not meet the standards of

6476
03:14:37,795 --> 03:14:40,195
an official government flag,

6477
03:14:41,165 --> 03:14:43,101
not based on our ordinances nor

6478
03:14:43,101 --> 03:14:45,403
based on the ordinances of a

6479
03:14:45,403 --> 03:14:47,838
larger flag that might be flown

6480
03:14:47,838 --> 03:14:50,238
on government buildings. In

6481
03:14:52,760 --> 03:14:54,945
addition to that, Um, it cannot

6482
03:14:54,945 --> 03:14:56,981
meet the requirements of What

6483
03:14:56,981 --> 03:14:58,550
our flags are supposed to meet

6484
03:14:58,550 --> 03:14:59,351
again, not gonna go through

6485
03:14:59,351 --> 03:15:01,152
everything that everyone else

6486
03:15:01,152 --> 03:15:01,253
has gone through, but we can

6487
03:15:01,253 --> 03:15:03,253
t

6488
03:15:03,822 --> 03:15:04,210
fly half staff. And so if it

6489
03:15:04,210 --> 03:15:05,323
doesn

6490
03:15:05,323 --> 03:15:05,790
t meet the standards and

6491
03:15:05,790 --> 03:15:07,240
it can

6492
03:15:07,240 --> 03:15:09,293
t meet the requirements,

6493
03:15:09,293 --> 03:15:12,893
we should not support it. Uh,

6494
03:15:15,499 --> 03:15:17,936
lastly. The bottom line is

6495
03:15:17,936 --> 03:15:21,536
there is a marketing ploy. We

6496
03:15:22,440 --> 03:15:22,673
have been used. To press

6497
03:15:22,673 --> 03:15:24,673
someone

6498
03:15:25,760 --> 03:15:26,277
s marketing efforts.

6499
03:15:26,277 --> 03:15:29,877
And we should not stand for

6500
03:15:33,618 --> 03:15:35,553
that. And we might not want to

6501
03:15:35,553 --> 03:15:37,455
spend tax dollars to uh take

6502
03:15:37,455 --> 03:15:38,550
this to court, but we sometimes

6503
03:15:38,550 --> 03:15:39,391
wanted, we

6504
03:15:39,391 --> 03:15:40,958
re ok with choosing

6505
03:15:40,958 --> 03:15:42,794
tax dollars to take other

6506
03:15:42,794 --> 03:15:42,894
things to court, uh, and I

6507
03:15:42,894 --> 03:15:44,862
m

6508
03:15:44,862 --> 03:15:46,264
not gonna call out any

6509
03:15:46,264 --> 03:15:46,431
particular situations, but

6510
03:15:46,431 --> 03:15:48,990
we

6511
03:15:48,990 --> 03:15:49,166
ve got situations in our

6512
03:15:49,166 --> 03:15:51,566
community where citizens have

6513
03:15:52,937 --> 03:15:54,906
felt wronged. Um, and so we

6514
03:15:54,906 --> 03:15:56,307
need to be consistent and we

6515
03:15:56,307 --> 03:15:57,508
also can find money when we

6516
03:15:57,508 --> 03:16:01,108
need to to support other things.

6517
03:16:01,713 --> 03:16:04,820
So we need to support our

6518
03:16:04,820 --> 03:16:05,584
values first. We need to set

6519
03:16:05,584 --> 03:16:06,551
standards for what we will and

6520
03:16:06,551 --> 03:16:09,551
will not accept in our

6521
03:16:10,210 --> 03:16:10,855
community. And what we will and

6522
03:16:10,855 --> 03:16:13,855
will not uphold in our

6523
03:16:14,125 --> 03:16:15,593
community. Uh, I did not

6524
03:16:15,593 --> 03:16:17,529
support it then. I did not

6525
03:16:17,529 --> 03:16:19,897
support it on any of those

6526
03:16:19,897 --> 03:16:23,497
other dates, I will not support

6527
03:16:23,567 --> 03:16:26,905
it tonight. We need to make

6528
03:16:26,905 --> 03:16:27,738
sure. That we

6529
03:16:27,738 --> 03:16:29,674
re making clear

6530
03:16:29,674 --> 03:16:32,543
what we will and will not

6531
03:16:32,543 --> 03:16:32,744
accept in our community that

6532
03:16:32,744 --> 03:16:34,744
doesn

6533
03:16:35,447 --> 03:16:37,882
t define us as patriots

6534
03:16:37,882 --> 03:16:39,184
or not because what defines us

6535
03:16:39,184 --> 03:16:42,784
as patriots is how we treat

6536
03:16:43,488 --> 03:16:43,655
each other. Not whether or not

6537
03:16:43,655 --> 03:16:44,220
we

6538
03:16:44,220 --> 03:16:44,856
re fine a

6539
03:16:44,856 --> 03:16:46,558
and what size

6540
03:16:46,558 --> 03:16:47,580
it is. That

6541
03:16:47,580 --> 03:16:50,658
s all I have to say.

6542
03:16:51,529 --> 03:16:55,129
Any of the comments? Yes. Mayor

6543
03:16:56,301 --> 03:16:57,836
for Tim Daniels. So, um, I must

6544
03:16:57,836 --> 03:16:59,136
say that I, I agree with what

6545
03:16:59,136 --> 03:17:01,506
everyone is saying. I do

6546
03:17:01,506 --> 03:17:04,800
believe that this is a ploy by

6547
03:17:04,800 --> 03:17:07,800
Camping World. I do believe.

6548
03:17:08,446 --> 03:17:08,680
That this has been done, um.

6549
03:17:08,680 --> 03:17:09,447
And it

6550
03:17:09,447 --> 03:17:12,447
s wrong. I do believe

6551
03:17:12,984 --> 03:17:15,190
that. But my decision is not

6552
03:17:15,190 --> 03:17:17,922
based on camping world. Um, I

6553
03:17:17,922 --> 03:17:20,858
have spoken with. In um,

6554
03:17:20,858 --> 03:17:22,794
council members and Um

6555
03:17:22,794 --> 03:17:23,295
Statesville I

6556
03:17:23,295 --> 03:17:23,794
ve done my

6557
03:17:23,794 --> 03:17:24,796
research. He

6558
03:17:24,796 --> 03:17:27,196
s been doing this

6559
03:17:27,332 --> 03:17:30,668
since 2014. It, it, I mean, it

6560
03:17:30,668 --> 03:17:31,335
just goes on and on and on.

6561
03:17:31,335 --> 03:17:33,735
California spent almost 2 years.

6562
03:17:34,500 --> 03:17:37,605
And then they stated they could

6563
03:17:38,900 --> 03:17:41,609
not afford to move any further.

6564
03:17:43,348 --> 03:17:45,350
Um, we ask the Our city staff.

6565
03:17:45,350 --> 03:17:47,718
To adjust the amendment or How,

6566
03:17:47,718 --> 03:17:49,287
how we want to say it, um, and

6567
03:17:49,287 --> 03:17:50,354
they did just that. They put

6568
03:17:50,354 --> 03:17:51,323
those hours and they put that

6569
03:17:51,323 --> 03:17:54,323
work in, and that is

6570
03:17:54,525 --> 03:17:56,360
appreciated. I, for one, am

6571
03:17:56,360 --> 03:17:58,463
going to vote for this

6572
03:17:58,463 --> 03:18:00,799
amendment, one for the safety

6573
03:18:00,799 --> 03:18:02,233
of our citizens. We need to get

6574
03:18:02,233 --> 03:18:04,602
to that pole to ensure that it

6575
03:18:04,602 --> 03:18:08,202
is safe for the citizens of

6576
03:18:08,974 --> 03:18:10,876
Greenville. And yes, this is a

6577
03:18:10,876 --> 03:18:13,876
a ploy tactic for this

6578
03:18:14,246 --> 03:18:15,790
gentleman, but I am good

6579
03:18:15,790 --> 03:18:17,281
conscience cannot ask taxpayers

6580
03:18:17,281 --> 03:18:17,482
to pay for it. They still,

6581
03:18:17,482 --> 03:18:19,117
they

6582
03:18:19,117 --> 03:18:20,151
ve not paid any fine. So

6583
03:18:20,151 --> 03:18:21,586
the only thing, only people

6584
03:18:21,586 --> 03:18:25,223
that are going to be paying are

6585
03:18:25,223 --> 03:18:28,223
us. They still owe Statesville

6586
03:18:28,393 --> 03:18:30,394
$14,000. They do not pay. And

6587
03:18:30,394 --> 03:18:30,495
yes, it MAY appear that we

6588
03:18:30,495 --> 03:18:32,230
re

6589
03:18:32,230 --> 03:18:35,299
giving in, but I just, there

6590
03:18:35,299 --> 03:18:38,899
are too many other things. That

6591
03:18:39,370 --> 03:18:40,972
we can do with. The needs of

6592
03:18:40,972 --> 03:18:43,972
our citizens and in Greenville.

6593
03:18:46,911 --> 03:18:49,311
Thank you. Robinson. The

6594
03:18:49,881 --> 03:18:52,281
difficulty With this between

6595
03:18:52,751 --> 03:18:54,850
council. And those in the

6596
03:18:54,850 --> 03:18:57,880
audience and those who MAY be

6597
03:18:57,880 --> 03:18:58,890
watching us online. Is that

6598
03:18:58,890 --> 03:18:59,156
unlike a speeding sign that was

6599
03:18:59,156 --> 03:18:59,491
an all, well, if, if you

6600
03:18:59,491 --> 03:19:00,358
re

6601
03:19:00,358 --> 03:19:02,226
speeding, we just raise the

6602
03:19:02,226 --> 03:19:02,427
speed limit. That

6603
03:19:02,427 --> 03:19:04,427
s a bad

6604
03:19:05,497 --> 03:19:06,831
comparison. Because this flag

6605
03:19:06,831 --> 03:19:09,801
is something that means so much

6606
03:19:09,801 --> 03:19:10,168
to so many people. And so for

6607
03:19:10,168 --> 03:19:10,768
everybody that

6608
03:19:10,768 --> 03:19:12,737
s spoken tonight

6609
03:19:12,737 --> 03:19:14,672
and come here and support to

6610
03:19:14,672 --> 03:19:15,440
not do it, there have been an

6611
03:19:15,440 --> 03:19:17,609
equal number probably online

6612
03:19:17,609 --> 03:19:17,909
who have said the same thing,

6613
03:19:17,909 --> 03:19:18,676
but there

6614
03:19:18,676 --> 03:19:20,979
s also just as many

6615
03:19:20,979 --> 03:19:21,312
people who say let it fly. Let

6616
03:19:21,312 --> 03:19:23,140
it fly. It

6617
03:19:23,140 --> 03:19:24,916
s beautiful. And I

6618
03:19:24,916 --> 03:19:25,984
think if you were to take a

6619
03:19:25,984 --> 03:19:27,251
tally, I think it would

6620
03:19:27,251 --> 03:19:28,719
probably be almost a

6621
03:19:28,719 --> 03:19:30,688
fifty-fifty split if we were to

6622
03:19:30,688 --> 03:19:31,389
read the comments of everybody

6623
03:19:31,389 --> 03:19:32,857
that has a viewpoint about this.

6624
03:19:32,857 --> 03:19:33,991
And that

6625
03:19:33,991 --> 03:19:35,327
s why because the flag

6626
03:19:35,327 --> 03:19:35,994
means so much to so many people

6627
03:19:35,994 --> 03:19:37,495
and, and I

6628
03:19:37,495 --> 03:19:37,963
ve had many like

6629
03:19:37,963 --> 03:19:38,249
this

6630
03:19:38,249 --> 03:19:38,963
can

6631
03:19:38,963 --> 03:19:40,565
t be fired at

6632
03:19:40,565 --> 03:19:42,400
half-mast if many of you heard

6633
03:19:42,400 --> 03:19:44,269
my comments when the manager,

6634
03:19:44,269 --> 03:19:45,704
uh, it was basically like a

6635
03:19:45,704 --> 03:19:47,205
cross-examination. You never

6636
03:19:47,205 --> 03:19:47,405
intended to do that. I

6637
03:19:47,405 --> 03:19:48,340
m upset

6638
03:19:48,340 --> 03:19:49,508
because I, I like the rule of

6639
03:19:49,508 --> 03:19:51,643
law. I like you to abide by the

6640
03:19:51,643 --> 03:19:54,512
rule of law. And the marking

6641
03:19:54,512 --> 03:19:55,513
ploy of this is a genius

6642
03:19:55,513 --> 03:19:56,148
because he divides communities

6643
03:19:56,148 --> 03:19:56,514
with something that

6644
03:19:56,514 --> 03:19:57,816
s so near

6645
03:19:57,816 --> 03:19:58,160
and dear to all of us, and

6646
03:19:58,160 --> 03:20:00,160
that

6647
03:20:00,719 --> 03:20:01,686
s the American flag. And,

6648
03:20:01,686 --> 03:20:01,887
and to many people, it

6649
03:20:01,887 --> 03:20:03,187
s very

6650
03:20:03,187 --> 03:20:03,288
near and dear. Those who

6651
03:20:03,288 --> 03:20:04,722
ve

6652
03:20:04,722 --> 03:20:05,991
served, and thank you for your

6653
03:20:05,991 --> 03:20:06,991
service. I have many good

6654
03:20:06,991 --> 03:20:08,526
friends that have served our

6655
03:20:08,526 --> 03:20:10,529
country, many who still serve

6656
03:20:10,529 --> 03:20:11,796
our country and that are very

6657
03:20:11,796 --> 03:20:13,264
hard about how you honor the

6658
03:20:13,264 --> 03:20:14,320
flag and the protocol that you

6659
03:20:14,320 --> 03:20:14,966
do it and how you don

6660
03:20:14,966 --> 03:20:15,200
t do it.

6661
03:20:15,200 --> 03:20:15,867
And I

6662
03:20:15,867 --> 03:20:16,902
ve had an equal number of

6663
03:20:16,902 --> 03:20:17,435
people who have come to me and

6664
03:20:17,435 --> 03:20:18,870
said it

6665
03:20:18,870 --> 03:20:19,938
s a beautiful flag. It

6666
03:20:19,938 --> 03:20:20,805
looks glorious as it flies in

6667
03:20:20,805 --> 03:20:21,740
the wind. Why don

6668
03:20:21,740 --> 03:20:22,340
t let it fly?

6669
03:20:22,340 --> 03:20:22,808
And see, that

6670
03:20:22,808 --> 03:20:24,777
s what divides

6671
03:20:24,777 --> 03:20:25,243
all of us. And that

6672
03:20:25,243 --> 03:20:26,770
s what

6673
03:20:26,770 --> 03:20:27,946
makes it difficult decision.

6674
03:20:27,946 --> 03:20:29,514
This is not like increasing the

6675
03:20:29,514 --> 03:20:30,949
speed limit or doing something

6676
03:20:30,949 --> 03:20:31,916
like that, that we all can

6677
03:20:31,916 --> 03:20:32,450
agree upon. We don

6678
03:20:32,450 --> 03:20:34,319
t raise

6679
03:20:34,319 --> 03:20:35,487
speed limits because you speed.

6680
03:20:35,487 --> 03:20:36,321
This is something that is very

6681
03:20:36,321 --> 03:20:36,521
near. And I think we

6682
03:20:36,521 --> 03:20:38,123
ve even

6683
03:20:38,123 --> 03:20:40,492
said if they had come to us in

6684
03:20:40,492 --> 03:20:41,260
JUNE of last year. This council

6685
03:20:41,260 --> 03:20:43,610
MAY have approved this type of

6686
03:20:43,610 --> 03:20:44,290
amendment. I

6687
03:20:44,290 --> 03:20:45,396
m not trying to

6688
03:20:45,396 --> 03:20:46,865
judge anybody on here, but it

6689
03:20:46,865 --> 03:20:48,800
would have been different but

6690
03:20:48,800 --> 03:20:50,235
they chose not to, because this

6691
03:20:50,235 --> 03:20:52,237
is their marketing ploy. They

6692
03:20:52,237 --> 03:20:52,437
want to keep this stirred up.

6693
03:20:52,437 --> 03:20:53,539
That

6694
03:20:53,539 --> 03:20:55,307
s their entire goal closes

6695
03:20:55,307 --> 03:20:56,775
the more more it keeps stirred

6696
03:20:56,775 --> 03:20:59,770
up, the more it keeps camping

6697
03:20:59,770 --> 03:21:00,111
rolled in the eye, and so you

6698
03:21:00,111 --> 03:21:01,946
get people complaining from all

6699
03:21:01,946 --> 03:21:03,414
over the country calling our

6700
03:21:03,414 --> 03:21:04,148
staff and making threats to

6701
03:21:04,148 --> 03:21:04,482
them about taking this, I mean,

6702
03:21:04,482 --> 03:21:05,650
and so we

6703
03:21:05,650 --> 03:21:07,419
ve had to deal with

6704
03:21:07,419 --> 03:21:08,190
that. So we have our staff

6705
03:21:08,190 --> 03:21:08,153
dealing with that. There

6706
03:21:08,153 --> 03:21:08,887
s a

6707
03:21:08,887 --> 03:21:09,854
number of people who want to

6708
03:21:09,854 --> 03:21:10,188
flag to fly it is. So we

6709
03:21:10,188 --> 03:21:11,924
re up

6710
03:21:11,924 --> 03:21:12,424
here like, what do we do? On

6711
03:21:12,424 --> 03:21:12,858
the one hand, it

6712
03:21:12,858 --> 03:21:15,258
s the rule of

6713
03:21:16,494 --> 03:21:17,620
law. And they violated it. On

6714
03:21:17,620 --> 03:21:17,662
the other hand, it

6715
03:21:17,662 --> 03:21:18,931
s a flag

6716
03:21:18,931 --> 03:21:19,631
that maybe people say should

6717
03:21:19,631 --> 03:21:22,631
fly regardless, the bigger the

6718
03:21:23,601 --> 03:21:25,136
better. So what do we do? Well,

6719
03:21:25,136 --> 03:21:26,138
One of the things we could do

6720
03:21:26,138 --> 03:21:27,506
is we could amend the flag

6721
03:21:27,506 --> 03:21:27,705
minute, they come to us, they

6722
03:21:27,705 --> 03:21:28,674
didn

6723
03:21:28,674 --> 03:21:30,675
t, and they gave some

6724
03:21:30,675 --> 03:21:31,409
ridiculous. Amendment language

6725
03:21:31,409 --> 03:21:31,744
that they knew we weren

6726
03:21:31,744 --> 03:21:33,744
t going

6727
03:21:34,790 --> 03:21:34,846
to pass. It was ridiculous and

6728
03:21:34,846 --> 03:21:35,513
they do that because that

6729
03:21:35,513 --> 03:21:36,481
s in

6730
03:21:36,481 --> 03:21:37,148
fact the exact ploy that they

6731
03:21:37,148 --> 03:21:38,916
do. It

6732
03:21:38,916 --> 03:21:40,180
s a game they play. And

6733
03:21:40,180 --> 03:21:42,154
so then they won a battle

6734
03:21:42,154 --> 03:21:43,588
because it keeps it stirred up.

6735
03:21:43,588 --> 03:21:45,457
And so at the end of the day,

6736
03:21:45,457 --> 03:21:47,559
if we deny this, what do we do

6737
03:21:47,559 --> 03:21:49,861
next? Do we sue them to remove

6738
03:21:49,861 --> 03:21:51,363
the flag because as, as council

6739
03:21:51,363 --> 03:21:51,530
member mayor Prote Daniel said,

6740
03:21:51,530 --> 03:21:52,630
it

6741
03:21:52,630 --> 03:21:52,164
s a safety issue. We can

6742
03:21:52,164 --> 03:21:54,164
t

6743
03:21:54,666 --> 03:21:56,301
get in there. I believe that if,

6744
03:21:56,301 --> 03:21:56,702
if it gets passed and we get in

6745
03:21:56,702 --> 03:21:57,736
there, they

6746
03:21:57,736 --> 03:21:58,170
ll let us inspect

6747
03:21:58,170 --> 03:21:59,470
it and they

6748
03:21:59,470 --> 03:22:00,506
ll pay the fines

6749
03:22:00,506 --> 03:22:00,605
because at that point we

6750
03:22:00,605 --> 03:22:01,673
ve

6751
03:22:01,673 --> 03:22:03,800
taken the air out of their

6752
03:22:03,800 --> 03:22:04,800
sails. They can no longer hide

6753
03:22:04,800 --> 03:22:04,442
behind the flag and say, oh,

6754
03:22:04,442 --> 03:22:05,510
Gloria, you

6755
03:22:05,510 --> 03:22:07,879
re trying to take

6756
03:22:07,879 --> 03:22:08,112
it down. The flag is there. And

6757
03:22:08,112 --> 03:22:08,413
now we

6758
03:22:08,413 --> 03:22:09,281
re saying you

6759
03:22:09,281 --> 03:22:09,448
re not,

6760
03:22:09,448 --> 03:22:09,981
you

6761
03:22:09,981 --> 03:22:10,148
re a bad person because

6762
03:22:10,148 --> 03:22:11,183
you

6763
03:22:11,183 --> 03:22:11,383
re not taking it down. And

6764
03:22:11,383 --> 03:22:13,284
that

6765
03:22:13,284 --> 03:22:15,200
s what makes this decision

6766
03:22:15,200 --> 03:22:15,253
so difficult for all of us. It

6767
03:22:15,253 --> 03:22:16,555
is, it

6768
03:22:16,555 --> 03:22:17,189
s probably the most

6769
03:22:17,189 --> 03:22:17,455
difficult decision I

6770
03:22:17,455 --> 03:22:18,490
ve been

6771
03:22:18,490 --> 03:22:18,957
involved in since I

6772
03:22:18,957 --> 03:22:20,525
ve been on

6773
03:22:20,525 --> 03:22:21,559
council and since I was on

6774
03:22:21,559 --> 03:22:21,827
planning and zoning, and it

6775
03:22:21,827 --> 03:22:22,494
s

6776
03:22:22,494 --> 03:22:23,262
the one decision I

6777
03:22:23,262 --> 03:22:23,461
ve seen

6778
03:22:23,461 --> 03:22:24,562
that

6779
03:22:24,562 --> 03:22:26,665
s divided our community in

6780
03:22:26,665 --> 03:22:28,666
half, if, if not almost to the

6781
03:22:28,666 --> 03:22:29,734
point of being 50/50 on both

6782
03:22:29,734 --> 03:22:31,360
sides. And, you know, on the

6783
03:22:31,360 --> 03:22:32,571
one hand, you want to abide by

6784
03:22:32,571 --> 03:22:32,737
the law, on the other hand, you

6785
03:22:32,737 --> 03:22:34,390
don

6786
03:22:34,390 --> 03:22:37,390
t be involved in litigation.

6787
03:22:37,750 --> 03:22:37,275
And when I give those calls,

6788
03:22:37,275 --> 03:22:37,843
that

6789
03:22:37,843 --> 03:22:38,844
s not some speculated high

6790
03:22:38,844 --> 03:22:39,911
number. That

6791
03:22:39,911 --> 03:22:40,546
s from 39 years of

6792
03:22:40,546 --> 03:22:40,679
doing litigation because that

6793
03:22:40,679 --> 03:22:42,679
s

6794
03:22:43,115 --> 03:22:45,217
what I do every single day. It

6795
03:22:45,217 --> 03:22:46,850
will be that, if not more, and

6796
03:22:46,850 --> 03:22:47,986
probably a year and a half or 2

6797
03:22:47,986 --> 03:22:48,788
years. And if we

6798
03:22:48,788 --> 03:22:48,987
re deny this,

6799
03:22:48,987 --> 03:22:49,354
that

6800
03:22:49,354 --> 03:22:49,755
s what we

6801
03:22:49,755 --> 03:22:50,388
re looking at.

6802
03:22:50,388 --> 03:22:51,757
And, and if we

6803
03:22:51,757 --> 03:22:52,891
re prepared to

6804
03:22:52,891 --> 03:22:53,758
go that route and the council

6805
03:22:53,758 --> 03:22:54,593
votes that way. That

6806
03:22:54,593 --> 03:22:55,159
s our,

6807
03:22:55,159 --> 03:22:56,361
because if you don

6808
03:22:56,361 --> 03:22:56,629
t pass it,

6809
03:22:56,629 --> 03:22:57,763
and what

6810
03:22:57,763 --> 03:23:00,763
s the next step? What

6811
03:23:01,199 --> 03:23:01,500
do we do? And I

6812
03:23:01,500 --> 03:23:02,167
m not through

6813
03:23:02,167 --> 03:23:02,434
yet. Oh, ok, I

6814
03:23:02,434 --> 03:23:02,601
m sorry. I

6815
03:23:02,601 --> 03:23:03,101
ll

6816
03:23:03,101 --> 03:23:04,169
let you know when I

6817
03:23:04,169 --> 03:23:05,504
m through.

6818
03:23:05,504 --> 03:23:08,673
And, and so do we file

6819
03:23:08,673 --> 03:23:10,208
litigation? And go against them

6820
03:23:10,208 --> 03:23:11,210
and you say yes until you start

6821
03:23:11,210 --> 03:23:12,110
realizing, I think you have a

6822
03:23:12,110 --> 03:23:15,130
lot of things we need to move

6823
03:23:15,130 --> 03:23:15,948
on and do other things. We

6824
03:23:15,948 --> 03:23:17,883
start taking taxpayer money and

6825
03:23:17,883 --> 03:23:18,783
funding it into a lawsuit. And

6826
03:23:18,783 --> 03:23:19,818
what one said they finally just

6827
03:23:19,818 --> 03:23:20,520
gave up, they couldn

6828
03:23:20,520 --> 03:23:22,520
t afford

6829
03:23:22,921 --> 03:23:23,956
to spend anymore. There are an

6830
03:23:23,956 --> 03:23:25,924
equal number of people that as

6831
03:23:25,924 --> 03:23:26,892
you shake your heads, no, shake

6832
03:23:26,892 --> 03:23:27,325
your head no, let

6833
03:23:27,325 --> 03:23:27,792
s don

6834
03:23:27,792 --> 03:23:28,393
t do a

6835
03:23:28,393 --> 03:23:29,694
lawsuit. And that

6836
03:23:29,694 --> 03:23:30,929
s what again

6837
03:23:30,929 --> 03:23:31,430
is making this difficult

6838
03:23:31,430 --> 03:23:31,697
decision because you

6839
03:23:31,697 --> 03:23:32,264
re in this

6840
03:23:32,264 --> 03:23:32,965
room, but you

6841
03:23:32,965 --> 03:23:35,134
re not the only

6842
03:23:35,134 --> 03:23:36,535
ones with an opinion. The rest

6843
03:23:36,535 --> 03:23:38,103
of our community have opinions

6844
03:23:38,103 --> 03:23:38,270
likewise, and I guarantee you

6845
03:23:38,270 --> 03:23:39,471
it

6846
03:23:39,471 --> 03:23:39,704
s about fifty-fifty from

6847
03:23:39,704 --> 03:23:40,505
what I

6848
03:23:40,505 --> 03:23:40,939
ve heard and I

6849
03:23:40,939 --> 03:23:41,606
ve read

6850
03:23:41,606 --> 03:23:42,941
just about every comment I

6851
03:23:42,941 --> 03:23:44,843
could try to read, whether it

6852
03:23:44,843 --> 03:23:46,770
was in favor or not in favor,

6853
03:23:46,770 --> 03:23:47,746
because when I first looked at

6854
03:23:47,746 --> 03:23:49,470
this thing, I was the one

6855
03:23:49,470 --> 03:23:50,682
asking this guy about the fraud

6856
03:23:50,682 --> 03:23:50,883
involved in it, about how they

6857
03:23:50,883 --> 03:23:52,830
didn

6858
03:23:52,830 --> 03:23:52,751
t fly at half-mast when

6859
03:23:52,751 --> 03:23:54,152
Jimmy Carter passed away and

6860
03:23:54,152 --> 03:23:54,587
how the, the flag should have

6861
03:23:54,587 --> 03:23:55,120
been. I

6862
03:23:55,120 --> 03:23:55,321
m the one that

6863
03:23:55,321 --> 03:23:56,655
s doing

6864
03:23:56,655 --> 03:23:56,888
all that. But now I

6865
03:23:56,888 --> 03:23:58,560
m looking

6866
03:23:58,560 --> 03:23:59,891
at it from a practical

6867
03:23:59,891 --> 03:24:00,992
standpoint, what do we do as a

6868
03:24:00,992 --> 03:24:01,960
city council next with our

6869
03:24:01,960 --> 03:24:03,695
revenues and how do we spend

6870
03:24:03,695 --> 03:24:05,230
our money and what do we do?

6871
03:24:05,230 --> 03:24:06,565
And again, unlike a speeding

6872
03:24:06,565 --> 03:24:06,798
light, uh, that everybody says

6873
03:24:06,798 --> 03:24:07,700
we can

6874
03:24:07,700 --> 03:24:08,000
t, we don

6875
03:24:08,000 --> 03:24:09,201
t change

6876
03:24:09,201 --> 03:24:09,401
speeding. This is something

6877
03:24:09,401 --> 03:24:10,350
that

6878
03:24:10,350 --> 03:24:10,235
s very different, and

6879
03:24:10,235 --> 03:24:11,870
that

6880
03:24:11,870 --> 03:24:13,305
s why it makes this

6881
03:24:13,305 --> 03:24:14,440
decision so difficult. And I

6882
03:24:14,440 --> 03:24:16,408
remember as a lawyer arguing in

6883
03:24:16,408 --> 03:24:16,842
front of the judges. It

6884
03:24:16,842 --> 03:24:17,909
s very

6885
03:24:17,909 --> 03:24:18,100
difficult to be the judge. It

6886
03:24:18,100 --> 03:24:19,711
s

6887
03:24:19,711 --> 03:24:20,879
easy to be the advocate for one

6888
03:24:20,879 --> 03:24:21,180
side or the other. If you

6889
03:24:21,180 --> 03:24:23,180
re

6890
03:24:23,181 --> 03:24:24,116
advocate for one side, you can

6891
03:24:24,116 --> 03:24:25,584
really advocate good. The other

6892
03:24:25,584 --> 03:24:26,151
side, you can advocate good,

6893
03:24:26,151 --> 03:24:26,818
but then we

6894
03:24:26,818 --> 03:24:28,487
re the judges now,

6895
03:24:28,487 --> 03:24:29,888
we have to make the decision,

6896
03:24:29,888 --> 03:24:31,857
which I want every one of you

6897
03:24:31,857 --> 03:24:32,791
in this room and all of those

6898
03:24:32,791 --> 03:24:34,260
watching, the decisions all of

6899
03:24:34,260 --> 03:24:34,426
us have to make are very

6900
03:24:34,426 --> 03:24:35,594
difficult. They

6901
03:24:35,594 --> 03:24:37,594
re not easy.

6902
03:24:38,497 --> 03:24:39,965
Not, I mean, very difficult. I

6903
03:24:39,965 --> 03:24:41,533
think everybody up here has,

6904
03:24:41,533 --> 03:24:42,835
has really had to think hard

6905
03:24:42,835 --> 03:24:43,902
about this, regardless of what

6906
03:24:43,902 --> 03:24:44,870
their position is and where

6907
03:24:44,870 --> 03:24:45,904
they come down. And so I want

6908
03:24:45,904 --> 03:24:46,400
everybody to know that it

6909
03:24:46,400 --> 03:24:47,273
s

6910
03:24:47,273 --> 03:24:48,540
been very difficult. And so at

6911
03:24:48,540 --> 03:24:50,742
the end of the day, what do we

6912
03:24:50,742 --> 03:24:51,643
do? I mean, really, what do we

6913
03:24:51,643 --> 03:24:51,844
do? Because if we don

6914
03:24:51,844 --> 03:24:53,844
t pass

6915
03:24:54,279 --> 03:24:57,879
this, Then the next step I

6916
03:24:59,318 --> 03:25:00,118
litigation. Or do nothing. And

6917
03:25:00,118 --> 03:25:00,218
so with those comments, I

6918
03:25:00,218 --> 03:25:02,154
ll

6919
03:25:02,154 --> 03:25:02,254
conclude. Thank you. I didn

6920
03:25:02,254 --> 03:25:04,220
t

6921
03:25:04,220 --> 03:25:04,156
mean to cut you off my back.

6922
03:25:04,156 --> 03:25:05,924
I

6923
03:25:05,924 --> 03:25:06,124
m just, no, I appreciate that.

6924
03:25:06,124 --> 03:25:06,858
That

6925
03:25:06,858 --> 03:25:08,294
s fine because I, I

6926
03:25:08,294 --> 03:25:09,328
actually had a legal question.

6927
03:25:09,328 --> 03:25:10,629
Ok, go ahead. I don

6928
03:25:10,629 --> 03:25:12,310
t want to

6929
03:25:12,310 --> 03:25:12,631
get into unauthorized practice

6930
03:25:12,631 --> 03:25:15,467
of law because I know about

6931
03:25:15,467 --> 03:25:15,968
that. But, um, and I

6932
03:25:15,968 --> 03:25:17,968
ve heard

6933
03:25:18,337 --> 03:25:19,471
of this, um, in, in being in

6934
03:25:19,471 --> 03:25:21,206
legal circles, and somebody

6935
03:25:21,206 --> 03:25:24,310
actually just texted it to me,

6936
03:25:24,310 --> 03:25:24,810
which is, um, under, um, I

6937
03:25:24,810 --> 03:25:26,810
think it

6938
03:25:27,780 --> 03:25:28,848
s, uh, unfair trade

6939
03:25:28,848 --> 03:25:29,615
practice, the uh unfair and

6940
03:25:29,615 --> 03:25:30,949
deceptive trade practices, you

6941
03:25:30,949 --> 03:25:34,549
get to treble your damages and

6942
03:25:36,288 --> 03:25:38,757
attorney fees. This is not

6943
03:25:38,757 --> 03:25:41,226
unfair to a trade. Well, again,

6944
03:25:41,226 --> 03:25:41,660
not an attorney, but I am. Ok.

6945
03:25:41,660 --> 03:25:42,628
Well, I

6946
03:25:42,628 --> 03:25:42,761
m, I

6947
03:25:42,761 --> 03:25:43,528
m I

6948
03:25:43,528 --> 03:25:44,496
m asking

6949
03:25:44,496 --> 03:25:44,830
actually gonna ask with with

6950
03:25:44,830 --> 03:25:46,432
respect, I

6951
03:25:46,432 --> 03:25:46,832
m gonna ask our city

6952
03:25:46,832 --> 03:25:47,990
attorney since he

6953
03:25:47,990 --> 03:25:49,990
s going to

6954
03:25:51,690 --> 03:25:51,971
speak for all of us, um. I know

6955
03:25:51,971 --> 03:25:54,971
that that in private litigation.

6956
03:25:56,608 --> 03:25:57,509
You can recover legal fees

6957
03:25:57,509 --> 03:25:59,711
under those circumstances and

6958
03:25:59,711 --> 03:26:02,414
treble damages. Um, so can you

6959
03:26:02,414 --> 03:26:03,810
address? And you MAY have

6960
03:26:03,810 --> 03:26:03,249
already answered this, so I

6961
03:26:03,249 --> 03:26:05,249
m

6962
03:26:05,484 --> 03:26:07,586
just kind of following up. If

6963
03:26:07,586 --> 03:26:10,422
we as a city prevailed in a

6964
03:26:10,422 --> 03:26:12,892
lawsuit. Would we be able to

6965
03:26:12,892 --> 03:26:13,926
recover our legal fees and

6966
03:26:13,926 --> 03:26:14,626
possibly treble damages, in

6967
03:26:14,626 --> 03:26:17,396
order to recover your legal

6968
03:26:17,396 --> 03:26:18,663
fees, you need a specific

6969
03:26:18,663 --> 03:26:21,660
statute that allows the city to

6970
03:26:21,660 --> 03:26:22,268
recover if it prevailed, and we

6971
03:26:22,268 --> 03:26:23,134
would need to research that

6972
03:26:23,134 --> 03:26:24,690
statue to see if that

6973
03:26:24,690 --> 03:26:25,771
s a

6974
03:26:25,771 --> 03:26:27,500
viable claim, unfair trade

6975
03:26:27,500 --> 03:26:29,241
practices in this context. You

6976
03:26:29,241 --> 03:26:29,408
know, they, I think the um We

6977
03:26:29,408 --> 03:26:30,309
don

6978
03:26:30,309 --> 03:26:31,711
t need to get into all this

6979
03:26:31,711 --> 03:26:32,812
in in public either, but we can

6980
03:26:32,812 --> 03:26:33,579
talk about that. But here, you

6981
03:26:33,579 --> 03:26:35,513
know, camping world, I think

6982
03:26:35,513 --> 03:26:36,810
would say. They

6983
03:26:36,810 --> 03:26:37,516
re displaying

6984
03:26:37,516 --> 03:26:38,384
the American flag, not for

6985
03:26:38,384 --> 03:26:38,917
commercial purposes or whatever,

6986
03:26:38,917 --> 03:26:40,686
they would say that they

6987
03:26:40,686 --> 03:26:41,186
re

6988
03:26:41,186 --> 03:26:42,922
Exercising their First

6989
03:26:42,922 --> 03:26:44,223
Amendment right to. Display the

6990
03:26:44,223 --> 03:26:45,624
flag, so, um, like other

6991
03:26:45,624 --> 03:26:46,458
businesses, theirs is just

6992
03:26:46,458 --> 03:26:48,940
larger, so, you know, that

6993
03:26:48,940 --> 03:26:49,562
would have to be researched.

6994
03:26:49,562 --> 03:26:53,299
That would be a novel. We have

6995
03:26:53,299 --> 03:26:53,966
to research that. Kind of an

6996
03:26:53,966 --> 03:26:56,366
inconclusive response at this

6997
03:26:57,870 --> 03:26:58,270
point. Thank you. I

6998
03:26:58,270 --> 03:26:58,638
m the only

6999
03:26:58,638 --> 03:27:00,638
one that hasn

7000
03:27:01,273 --> 03:27:03,208
t commented yet.

7001
03:27:03,208 --> 03:27:03,342
Um, uh, from the beginning,

7002
03:27:03,342 --> 03:27:04,843
I

7003
03:27:04,843 --> 03:27:07,146
ve always said that I thought

7004
03:27:07,146 --> 03:27:09,648
the flag is beautiful, um. I

7005
03:27:09,648 --> 03:27:10,349
enjoy going by it and seeing it

7006
03:27:10,349 --> 03:27:13,349
displayed every single day that

7007
03:27:14,887 --> 03:27:16,288
I go by there. Um I

7008
03:27:16,288 --> 03:27:18,288
wholeheartedly disagree with

7009
03:27:20,358 --> 03:27:22,361
the method of which. The

7010
03:27:22,361 --> 03:27:25,361
company went towards getting a

7011
03:27:25,932 --> 03:27:28,467
permit and filing a permit to

7012
03:27:28,467 --> 03:27:29,368
Erect a pole that was much

7013
03:27:29,368 --> 03:27:31,603
smaller than what was there in

7014
03:27:31,603 --> 03:27:32,370
a flag that was much smaller.

7015
03:27:32,370 --> 03:27:32,672
But ultimately I

7016
03:27:32,672 --> 03:27:33,710
ve, I

7017
03:27:33,710 --> 03:27:34,140
ve said

7018
03:27:34,140 --> 03:27:35,174
this publicly many times at the

7019
03:27:35,174 --> 03:27:35,374
end of the day, there

7020
03:27:35,374 --> 03:27:36,609
s some

7021
03:27:36,609 --> 03:27:38,544
fights that are worth fighting,

7022
03:27:38,544 --> 03:27:38,710
some that are not, and as

7023
03:27:38,710 --> 03:27:40,710
you

7024
03:27:41,380 --> 03:27:44,282
ve seen. Our community has

7025
03:27:44,282 --> 03:27:45,751
gone through a lot over the

7026
03:27:45,751 --> 03:27:46,719
last several months over a

7027
03:27:46,719 --> 03:27:48,220
discussion about an American

7028
03:27:48,220 --> 03:27:49,722
flag. I love the American flag.

7029
03:27:49,722 --> 03:27:51,557
I have people here that have

7030
03:27:51,557 --> 03:27:52,991
talked, we have veterans here

7031
03:27:52,991 --> 03:27:54,193
that have talked in favor and

7032
03:27:54,193 --> 03:27:55,461
against, I think would be, I

7033
03:27:55,461 --> 03:27:57,395
think, uh, the gentleman, MR.

7034
03:27:57,395 --> 03:27:57,630
Parker up here is, was against,

7035
03:27:57,630 --> 03:27:58,196
but I

7036
03:27:58,196 --> 03:27:59,980
ve had other veterans

7037
03:27:59,980 --> 03:27:59,899
that have reached out to me

7038
03:27:59,899 --> 03:28:01,734
through email, through phone

7039
03:28:01,734 --> 03:28:03,869
calls, through text messages

7040
03:28:03,869 --> 03:28:06,339
that are in favor of it. And

7041
03:28:06,339 --> 03:28:06,805
the fact that Um, we

7042
03:28:06,805 --> 03:28:07,740
ve been up

7043
03:28:07,740 --> 03:28:09,475
here and we

7044
03:28:09,475 --> 03:28:11,710
ve made it such a

7045
03:28:11,710 --> 03:28:12,278
divisive issue. And we

7046
03:28:12,278 --> 03:28:13,646
re just

7047
03:28:13,646 --> 03:28:16,114
going to prolong it and make

7048
03:28:16,114 --> 03:28:16,749
this go on and on for an

7049
03:28:16,749 --> 03:28:16,848
extended period of time. It

7050
03:28:16,848 --> 03:28:18,500
s

7051
03:28:18,500 --> 03:28:18,184
not good for our community.

7052
03:28:18,184 --> 03:28:19,752
I

7053
03:28:19,752 --> 03:28:21,860
ve said from the beginning

7054
03:28:21,860 --> 03:28:22,487
that we need to go ahead and

7055
03:28:22,487 --> 03:28:22,588
move forward with this. There

7056
03:28:22,588 --> 03:28:23,255
s

7057
03:28:23,255 --> 03:28:25,291
other issues in our community

7058
03:28:25,291 --> 03:28:25,557
that we need to be dealing with,

7059
03:28:25,557 --> 03:28:26,225
um, you

7060
03:28:26,225 --> 03:28:26,925
ve seen other

7061
03:28:26,925 --> 03:28:27,994
communities that are continuing

7062
03:28:27,994 --> 03:28:29,128
to fight it, Mayor Pro Tem

7063
03:28:29,128 --> 03:28:30,729
Daniels just a few minutes ago

7064
03:28:30,729 --> 03:28:31,964
was talking about another

7065
03:28:31,964 --> 03:28:34,300
community that has spent years.

7066
03:28:34,300 --> 03:28:34,600
Fighting something. And there

7067
03:28:34,600 --> 03:28:34,800
s,

7068
03:28:34,800 --> 03:28:36,235
there

7069
03:28:36,235 --> 03:28:38,370
s no reason for us as a

7070
03:28:38,370 --> 03:28:38,337
community to continue to do it.

7071
03:28:38,337 --> 03:28:39,400
Greenville

7072
03:28:39,400 --> 03:28:40,500
s an amazing city.

7073
03:28:40,500 --> 03:28:40,472
We all live here, we

7074
03:28:40,472 --> 03:28:40,906
ve seen

7075
03:28:40,906 --> 03:28:41,107
the expansion that

7076
03:28:41,107 --> 03:28:41,940
s taken

7077
03:28:41,940 --> 03:28:42,542
place. We

7078
03:28:42,542 --> 03:28:42,942
ve seen great

7079
03:28:42,942 --> 03:28:43,742
development that

7080
03:28:43,742 --> 03:28:44,276
s taken place.

7081
03:28:44,276 --> 03:28:45,344
Uh, we

7082
03:28:45,344 --> 03:28:46,612
ve seen new things that

7083
03:28:46,612 --> 03:28:47,145
have popped up throughout our

7084
03:28:47,145 --> 03:28:48,548
community. We

7085
03:28:48,548 --> 03:28:49,810
ve seen lots of

7086
03:28:49,810 --> 03:28:49,582
revitalization. We

7087
03:28:49,582 --> 03:28:50,916
ve seen new

7088
03:28:50,916 --> 03:28:53,916
projects that have taken place

7089
03:28:55,788 --> 03:28:58,824
over and over. And here we are

7090
03:28:58,824 --> 03:29:00,225
suspending months on end. On a

7091
03:29:00,225 --> 03:29:03,329
flag that is flying on one

7092
03:29:03,329 --> 03:29:04,363
commercial parcel. And you know,

7093
03:29:04,363 --> 03:29:05,497
I think the camping world

7094
03:29:05,497 --> 03:29:07,733
should have to pay all the

7095
03:29:07,733 --> 03:29:08,934
fines, but I think as a city we

7096
03:29:08,934 --> 03:29:11,404
directed the staff to come up

7097
03:29:11,404 --> 03:29:12,839
with an ordinance. Or excuse me,

7098
03:29:12,839 --> 03:29:14,741
a text amendment to change the

7099
03:29:14,741 --> 03:29:15,674
ordinance to be able to allow

7100
03:29:15,674 --> 03:29:19,874
the flag to fly, and here we

7101
03:29:19,879 --> 03:29:20,813
are. A month and a half later.

7102
03:29:20,813 --> 03:29:23,813
And everything that the city

7103
03:29:24,216 --> 03:29:25,818
staff put. Put together and and

7104
03:29:25,818 --> 03:29:27,353
presented to us. Is for nothing.

7105
03:29:27,353 --> 03:29:29,353
It

7106
03:29:30,155 --> 03:29:33,590
s for absolutely nothing. I

7107
03:29:33,590 --> 03:29:33,225
just, in my personal opinion. I

7108
03:29:33,225 --> 03:29:33,626
don

7109
03:29:33,626 --> 03:29:34,594
t, I don

7110
03:29:34,594 --> 03:29:34,827
t think it

7111
03:29:34,827 --> 03:29:36,827
s worth

7112
03:29:37,129 --> 03:29:39,699
continuing to fight it. I, I

7113
03:29:39,699 --> 03:29:40,666
think, uh, council member, uh,

7114
03:29:40,666 --> 03:29:42,534
Robinson and Mayor Prote

7115
03:29:42,534 --> 03:29:42,702
Daniels said it, said it best.

7116
03:29:42,702 --> 03:29:43,969
It

7117
03:29:43,969 --> 03:29:44,303
s time to move on. I mean, I

7118
03:29:44,303 --> 03:29:45,470
feel like it

7119
03:29:45,470 --> 03:29:45,638
s time to move on.

7120
03:29:45,638 --> 03:29:47,339
It

7121
03:29:47,339 --> 03:29:47,907
s time to go and fight a

7122
03:29:47,907 --> 03:29:49,408
fight that

7123
03:29:49,408 --> 03:29:49,575
s worth fighting, um,

7124
03:29:49,575 --> 03:29:50,742
we

7125
03:29:50,742 --> 03:29:51,344
re all Americans, every

7126
03:29:51,344 --> 03:29:51,811
single one of us that

7127
03:29:51,811 --> 03:29:53,811
s in this

7128
03:29:54,613 --> 03:29:55,347
in this room. Um It

7129
03:29:55,347 --> 03:29:57,347
s time for

7130
03:29:57,516 --> 03:29:58,984
us to go ahead and put this

7131
03:29:58,984 --> 03:29:59,952
behind us and by us going up

7132
03:29:59,952 --> 03:30:00,819
here and prolonging this and

7133
03:30:00,819 --> 03:30:03,623
just wanting to fight and punch

7134
03:30:03,623 --> 03:30:04,423
a bully. What are we gonna win?

7135
03:30:04,423 --> 03:30:05,892
Cause as soon as you, as soon

7136
03:30:05,892 --> 03:30:06,325
as you leave, Something

7137
03:30:06,325 --> 03:30:07,393
s gonna

7138
03:30:07,393 --> 03:30:07,493
be on x, right? Something

7139
03:30:07,493 --> 03:30:08,528
s

7140
03:30:08,528 --> 03:30:08,794
gonna be on social media.

7141
03:30:08,794 --> 03:30:09,228
Something

7142
03:30:09,228 --> 03:30:10,262
s gonna be on there

7143
03:30:10,262 --> 03:30:11,300
talking about how the city of

7144
03:30:11,300 --> 03:30:12,365
Greenville told us that we had

7145
03:30:12,365 --> 03:30:13,532
to take our flag down. Are they

7146
03:30:13,532 --> 03:30:15,100
gonna read any of the comments

7147
03:30:15,100 --> 03:30:15,568
that were made up here?

7148
03:30:15,568 --> 03:30:15,767
Absolutely not. They

7149
03:30:15,767 --> 03:30:16,870
re gonna

7150
03:30:16,870 --> 03:30:17,136
read any of those comments.

7151
03:30:17,136 --> 03:30:17,470
What they

7152
03:30:17,470 --> 03:30:17,670
re gonna do is

7153
03:30:17,670 --> 03:30:18,804
they

7154
03:30:18,804 --> 03:30:20,773
re gonna go ahead and

7155
03:30:20,773 --> 03:30:21,341
display Greenville as an

7156
03:30:21,341 --> 03:30:21,774
unpatriotic city, and we

7157
03:30:21,774 --> 03:30:23,142
re

7158
03:30:23,142 --> 03:30:23,709
gonna continue this for months

7159
03:30:23,709 --> 03:30:25,144
on end and we

7160
03:30:25,144 --> 03:30:26,679
re gonna continue

7161
03:30:26,679 --> 03:30:26,846
to get emails, phone calls,

7162
03:30:26,846 --> 03:30:28,113
we

7163
03:30:28,113 --> 03:30:29,150
re gonna get social media

7164
03:30:29,150 --> 03:30:29,582
posts about how we

7165
03:30:29,582 --> 03:30:30,516
re a

7166
03:30:30,516 --> 03:30:31,417
terrible city and every one of

7167
03:30:31,417 --> 03:30:31,584
us in this room knows that

7168
03:30:31,584 --> 03:30:32,952
we

7169
03:30:32,952 --> 03:30:33,119
re not a terrible city.

7170
03:30:33,119 --> 03:30:33,986
We

7171
03:30:33,986 --> 03:30:34,860
re an incredible city. We

7172
03:30:34,860 --> 03:30:34,920
ve

7173
03:30:34,920 --> 03:30:35,210
got great people here. We

7174
03:30:35,210 --> 03:30:35,488
ve

7175
03:30:35,488 --> 03:30:36,189
got great staff that

7176
03:30:36,189 --> 03:30:38,189
s here.

7177
03:30:38,257 --> 03:30:40,593
That takes care of us on a

7178
03:30:40,593 --> 03:30:41,660
daily basis, so and my, my

7179
03:30:41,660 --> 03:30:41,828
personal opinion, I just, I

7180
03:30:41,828 --> 03:30:42,161
don

7181
03:30:42,161 --> 03:30:42,995
t, I don

7182
03:30:42,995 --> 03:30:45,395
t agree with some

7183
03:30:45,397 --> 03:30:46,532
of my colleagues up here about

7184
03:30:46,532 --> 03:30:47,660
going forward and denying this

7185
03:30:47,660 --> 03:30:47,366
request, I think it

7186
03:30:47,366 --> 03:30:49,366
s time for

7187
03:30:49,769 --> 03:30:49,969
us to move on as a community.

7188
03:30:49,969 --> 03:30:51,969
That

7189
03:30:52,705 --> 03:30:53,390
s all I got. I

7190
03:30:53,390 --> 03:30:55,390
d like to

7191
03:30:56,342 --> 03:30:57,376
make a motion to deny. All

7192
03:30:57,376 --> 03:30:57,977
right, motion

7193
03:30:57,977 --> 03:30:59,479
s been made by

7194
03:30:59,479 --> 03:31:00,780
Council member Willis, seconded

7195
03:31:00,780 --> 03:31:03,780
by Council member Scully. Any

7196
03:31:04,250 --> 03:31:07,250
other discussion. All those in

7197
03:31:09,455 --> 03:31:10,523
favor please raise your hand.

7198
03:31:10,523 --> 03:31:13,523
All those opposed, please raise

7199
03:31:13,725 --> 03:31:14,193
your hand. Just, and just for

7200
03:31:14,193 --> 03:31:14,960
the record, I don

7201
03:31:14,960 --> 03:31:16,529
t get a vote,

7202
03:31:16,529 --> 03:31:20,129
but I would be against this

7203
03:31:20,666 --> 03:31:22,235
motion. Ok. Motion to deny um

7204
03:31:22,235 --> 03:31:22,402
passes, 4 to 2. So now that

7205
03:31:22,402 --> 03:31:23,169
it

7206
03:31:23,169 --> 03:31:23,269
s denied, I think it

7207
03:31:23,269 --> 03:31:25,400
s

7208
03:31:25,400 --> 03:31:26,572
incumbent on us as a council to

7209
03:31:26,572 --> 03:31:27,272
provide our city staff with

7210
03:31:27,272 --> 03:31:27,440
direction on what direction

7211
03:31:27,440 --> 03:31:29,440
we

7212
03:31:32,912 --> 03:31:34,447
re supposed to go. Mayor. I

7213
03:31:34,447 --> 03:31:35,682
would inform the council you

7214
03:31:35,682 --> 03:31:38,284
have the right to go into

7215
03:31:38,284 --> 03:31:39,819
closed session. For

7216
03:31:39,819 --> 03:31:40,853
attorney-client privilege on

7217
03:31:40,853 --> 03:31:42,154
this evening or another another

7218
03:31:42,154 --> 03:31:42,422
date you. Do we have to go into?

7219
03:31:42,422 --> 03:31:43,220
You don

7220
03:31:43,220 --> 03:31:45,859
t have to, but you have

7221
03:31:45,859 --> 03:31:46,893
a right to. And we might want

7222
03:31:46,893 --> 03:31:48,260
to do that, I think it would be

7223
03:31:48,260 --> 03:31:50,763
ok if we did it out here

7224
03:31:50,763 --> 03:31:52,131
because I think there was some.

7225
03:31:52,131 --> 03:31:52,765
Understanding that things were

7226
03:31:52,765 --> 03:31:53,299
said in Coo

7227
03:31:53,299 --> 03:31:53,599
s session that the

7228
03:31:53,599 --> 03:31:54,166
public didn

7229
03:31:54,166 --> 03:31:56,350
t get to see. I

7230
03:31:56,350 --> 03:31:57,303
think we should talk about it

7231
03:31:57,303 --> 03:31:59,805
out here in open session so

7232
03:31:59,805 --> 03:32:00,306
everybody can see. And if I MAY,

7233
03:32:00,306 --> 03:32:01,240
I think we

7234
03:32:01,240 --> 03:32:01,574
ve had a long

7235
03:32:01,574 --> 03:32:03,574
meeting. We

7236
03:32:03,676 --> 03:32:04,811
ve had a lot of

7237
03:32:04,811 --> 03:32:06,579
conversation earlier when we

7238
03:32:06,579 --> 03:32:09,810
were uh voting on an issue,

7239
03:32:09,810 --> 03:32:12,285
there was a desire to have more

7240
03:32:12,285 --> 03:32:14,319
information, I think. I am not

7241
03:32:14,319 --> 03:32:15,821
prepared tonight in closed or

7242
03:32:15,821 --> 03:32:17,624
open session to talk about our

7243
03:32:17,624 --> 03:32:20,526
next steps. I need more

7244
03:32:20,526 --> 03:32:22,462
information and let me say I

7245
03:32:22,462 --> 03:32:24,430
appreciate council members,

7246
03:32:24,430 --> 03:32:25,931
Robinson, Mayor Proin Daniels,

7247
03:32:25,931 --> 03:32:28,000
and our mayor for saying we

7248
03:32:28,000 --> 03:32:31,738
need to move on. I also want to

7249
03:32:31,738 --> 03:32:33,606
move on. I want to move on in a

7250
03:32:33,606 --> 03:32:35,542
dignified, correct way. So

7251
03:32:35,542 --> 03:32:37,444
before I can think of any next

7252
03:32:37,444 --> 03:32:39,545
steps I need more time. I need

7253
03:32:39,545 --> 03:32:41,380
more information. We need to

7254
03:32:41,380 --> 03:32:43,249
explore things like is it.

7255
03:32:43,249 --> 03:32:44,817
Feasible to to sue, uh, could

7256
03:32:44,817 --> 03:32:46,118
we recoup legal fees? And I MAY

7257
03:32:46,118 --> 03:32:47,686
come back here in 1 month, 2

7258
03:32:47,686 --> 03:32:48,655
months. I don

7259
03:32:48,655 --> 03:32:48,988
t, I don

7260
03:32:48,988 --> 03:32:50,220
t mind

7261
03:32:50,220 --> 03:32:52,250
changing my vote and saying,

7262
03:32:52,250 --> 03:32:52,491
you know what, we explored this

7263
03:32:52,491 --> 03:32:53,392
and now I

7264
03:32:53,392 --> 03:32:53,893
ve changed my mind.

7265
03:32:53,893 --> 03:32:54,260
We just don

7266
03:32:54,260 --> 03:32:56,660
t have any other

7267
03:32:58,998 --> 03:32:59,866
way. But I think for now, I

7268
03:32:59,866 --> 03:33:02,866
need more information before I

7269
03:33:03,236 --> 03:33:04,236
can. Have any conversation

7270
03:33:04,236 --> 03:33:05,738
about next steps. I mean, I

7271
03:33:05,738 --> 03:33:06,705
guess I would ask what type of

7272
03:33:06,705 --> 03:33:06,806
information is needed? We

7273
03:33:06,806 --> 03:33:08,708
ve

7274
03:33:08,708 --> 03:33:10,100
had a month and a half since we

7275
03:33:10,100 --> 03:33:11,944
made the decision and asked the

7276
03:33:11,944 --> 03:33:12,979
staff to come forward with a

7277
03:33:12,979 --> 03:33:15,979
ordinate a text amendment for

7278
03:33:16,182 --> 03:33:18,451
the ordinance. And we gave them

7279
03:33:18,451 --> 03:33:20,420
completely the wrong.

7280
03:33:20,420 --> 03:33:21,320
Impression on it because we

7281
03:33:21,320 --> 03:33:22,788
completely flipped and so as a

7282
03:33:22,788 --> 03:33:23,956
council, we need to provide

7283
03:33:23,956 --> 03:33:24,757
them with some some clear

7284
03:33:24,757 --> 03:33:25,424
guidelines on what we

7285
03:33:25,424 --> 03:33:26,659
re asking

7286
03:33:26,659 --> 03:33:26,826
them to do and at this point

7287
03:33:26,826 --> 03:33:27,693
you

7288
03:33:27,693 --> 03:33:27,793
ve got a business that

7289
03:33:27,793 --> 03:33:28,828
s

7290
03:33:28,828 --> 03:33:30,563
not in compliance with their

7291
03:33:30,563 --> 03:33:31,300
permit. And we

7292
03:33:31,300 --> 03:33:32,632
re not willing

7293
03:33:32,632 --> 03:33:34,701
to make a decision as a council

7294
03:33:34,701 --> 03:33:36,602
to determine what we do next.

7295
03:33:36,602 --> 03:33:39,906
We have a meeting on MARCH 24th,

7296
03:33:39,906 --> 03:33:40,806
am I right? Monday. I would

7297
03:33:40,806 --> 03:33:43,142
like to suggest, I know we all

7298
03:33:43,142 --> 03:33:45,440
kind of want to move on, but I,

7299
03:33:45,440 --> 03:33:46,212
I think tonight is maybe not

7300
03:33:46,212 --> 03:33:48,515
the night for to discuss this

7301
03:33:48,515 --> 03:33:50,583
in closed or open session. I

7302
03:33:50,583 --> 03:33:52,585
suggest that at our uh uh after

7303
03:33:52,585 --> 03:33:53,486
our MARCH 24th session. Uh, a

7304
03:33:53,486 --> 03:33:56,422
meeting that we go into closed

7305
03:33:56,422 --> 03:33:56,989
session. And have this

7306
03:33:56,989 --> 03:33:58,989
conversation regarding the

7307
03:34:00,660 --> 03:34:02,695
legal issues. And then And I

7308
03:34:02,695 --> 03:34:03,229
just like to say I wasn

7309
03:34:03,229 --> 03:34:03,329
t, I

7310
03:34:03,329 --> 03:34:05,329
m

7311
03:34:05,598 --> 03:34:05,798
sorry, um, go ahead. My vote

7312
03:34:05,798 --> 03:34:07,299
wasn

7313
03:34:07,299 --> 03:34:10,203
t based on just moving on.

7314
03:34:10,203 --> 03:34:12,238
At all. It was based on the

7315
03:34:12,238 --> 03:34:15,838
safety and the ability to get

7316
03:34:16,776 --> 03:34:17,644
to the pole and not wanting. If

7317
03:34:17,644 --> 03:34:19,212
we do litigation for it to be

7318
03:34:19,212 --> 03:34:20,580
on the backs of people, not

7319
03:34:20,580 --> 03:34:20,780
just forget it all and move on,

7320
03:34:20,780 --> 03:34:21,113
that

7321
03:34:21,113 --> 03:34:21,581
s, that

7322
03:34:21,581 --> 03:34:24,183
s not my intent at

7323
03:34:24,183 --> 03:34:25,552
all. Don

7324
03:34:25,552 --> 03:34:26,520
t I say that. Yeah, no,

7325
03:34:26,520 --> 03:34:26,519
and I didn

7326
03:34:26,519 --> 03:34:27,654
t interpret it that

7327
03:34:27,654 --> 03:34:28,988
way, but I think you made a

7328
03:34:28,988 --> 03:34:30,790
valid point, which is, yes, we,

7329
03:34:30,790 --> 03:34:33,526
we, we, we, we will need to

7330
03:34:33,526 --> 03:34:34,861
move on and, I just need more

7331
03:34:34,861 --> 03:34:36,950
information. Can we give the

7332
03:34:36,950 --> 03:34:37,764
staff some directions so they

7333
03:34:37,764 --> 03:34:39,232
know, so they can prepare for

7334
03:34:39,232 --> 03:34:40,100
the 24th, but we

7335
03:34:40,100 --> 03:34:41,234
re what our

7336
03:34:41,234 --> 03:34:43,470
expectation is and what you

7337
03:34:43,470 --> 03:34:44,237
wanna know. I would, I would, I

7338
03:34:44,237 --> 03:34:44,470
mean, I feel like that

7339
03:34:44,470 --> 03:34:46,106
s

7340
03:34:46,106 --> 03:34:46,473
something that we owe them I

7341
03:34:46,473 --> 03:34:46,939
m

7342
03:34:46,939 --> 03:34:47,540
gonna, I won

7343
03:34:47,540 --> 03:34:48,775
t speak on behalf

7344
03:34:48,775 --> 03:34:49,309
of the, the legal aspect of

7345
03:34:49,309 --> 03:34:50,277
this, and I

7346
03:34:50,277 --> 03:34:51,711
ll let the attorney

7347
03:34:51,711 --> 03:34:53,312
do that, but I would just ask

7348
03:34:53,312 --> 03:34:54,814
you, you know, let, let us, let

7349
03:34:54,814 --> 03:34:55,815
us know, do you want it at the

7350
03:34:55,815 --> 03:34:58,485
workshop? Do you want the

7351
03:34:58,485 --> 03:35:00,453
council meeting? Do you want a

7352
03:35:00,453 --> 03:35:02,889
closed session, that way we can,

7353
03:35:02,889 --> 03:35:04,858
that staff can plan accordingly.

7354
03:35:04,858 --> 03:35:05,792
Um, clearly, I mean, I have the

7355
03:35:05,792 --> 03:35:05,926
opinion that, I mean, again,

7356
03:35:05,926 --> 03:35:06,859
I

7357
03:35:06,859 --> 03:35:08,260
m not your lawyer, but I had

7358
03:35:08,260 --> 03:35:08,795
an opinion if you

7359
03:35:08,795 --> 03:35:10,795
re gonna talk

7360
03:35:11,263 --> 03:35:11,932
legality and, and, and, and

7361
03:35:11,932 --> 03:35:14,332
future litigation, you should

7362
03:35:14,901 --> 03:35:16,770
seek. The the guidance of your

7363
03:35:16,770 --> 03:35:17,804
attorney and client attorney.

7364
03:35:17,804 --> 03:35:18,404
Privileged information in a

7365
03:35:18,404 --> 03:35:18,571
closed session, but that

7366
03:35:18,571 --> 03:35:18,704
s

7367
03:35:18,704 --> 03:35:18,905
y

7368
03:35:18,905 --> 03:35:20,905
all, y

7369
03:35:21,441 --> 03:35:23,841
all get excited. Uh,

7370
03:35:25,779 --> 03:35:28,314
my opinion on that is if we um

7371
03:35:28,314 --> 03:35:29,482
are going to do, I, I prefer

7372
03:35:29,482 --> 03:35:31,117
open session because last time

7373
03:35:31,117 --> 03:35:33,620
we discussed it in closed

7374
03:35:33,620 --> 03:35:34,420
session, and again, to

7375
03:35:34,420 --> 03:35:36,420
reiterate, COUNCILWOMAN Willis

7376
03:35:37,724 --> 03:35:39,250
when we came out. Um, what was

7377
03:35:39,250 --> 03:35:41,694
discussed in closed session was

7378
03:35:41,694 --> 03:35:42,162
misrepresented. Um, so either

7379
03:35:42,162 --> 03:35:43,263
if if we

7380
03:35:43,263 --> 03:35:45,465
re gonna do something

7381
03:35:45,465 --> 03:35:47,900
in closed session, then it

7382
03:35:47,900 --> 03:35:48,134
needs to stay closed and that

7383
03:35:48,134 --> 03:35:48,401
s

7384
03:35:48,401 --> 03:35:49,969
everyone

7385
03:35:49,969 --> 03:35:50,937
s mouth stays closed.

7386
03:35:50,937 --> 03:35:52,872
Um, if we

7387
03:35:52,872 --> 03:35:54,707
re going to discuss

7388
03:35:54,707 --> 03:35:54,808
the in open session, then we

7389
03:35:54,808 --> 03:35:56,808
re

7390
03:35:58,440 --> 03:36:00,444
completely transparent. So, um,

7391
03:36:01,514 --> 03:36:01,615
You know, I would, I feel. I

7392
03:36:01,615 --> 03:36:02,915
m

7393
03:36:02,915 --> 03:36:05,840
disappointed because I know

7394
03:36:05,840 --> 03:36:06,652
that my stance was completely

7395
03:36:06,652 --> 03:36:09,520
misrepresented the last time.

7396
03:36:09,890 --> 03:36:10,657
Um, because again, I have

7397
03:36:10,657 --> 03:36:13,570
consistently been against the

7398
03:36:18,564 --> 03:36:19,532
Uh, flag. Being, um, Raised in

7399
03:36:19,532 --> 03:36:20,990
uh uh Evans Street since the

7400
03:36:20,990 --> 03:36:21,340
beginning and I

7401
03:36:21,340 --> 03:36:22,101
m completely

7402
03:36:22,101 --> 03:36:23,469
exhausted with this

7403
03:36:23,469 --> 03:36:24,937
conversation right now, um,

7404
03:36:24,937 --> 03:36:27,307
there are probably a few things

7405
03:36:27,307 --> 03:36:28,975
that I care about least, to be

7406
03:36:28,975 --> 03:36:29,750
honest with everyone that

7407
03:36:29,750 --> 03:36:30,643
s

7408
03:36:30,643 --> 03:36:31,511
watching because we got people

7409
03:36:31,511 --> 03:36:34,511
in our community homeless and

7410
03:36:35,949 --> 03:36:38,618
hungry right now. Amen. Right

7411
03:36:38,618 --> 03:36:39,853
and so, uh, in each meeting I

7412
03:36:39,853 --> 03:36:42,253
have repeated that statement.

7413
03:36:44,324 --> 03:36:45,658
That We have more important

7414
03:36:45,658 --> 03:36:46,693
things and uh that was not

7415
03:36:46,693 --> 03:36:50,290
something that that was on the

7416
03:36:50,290 --> 03:36:51,398
top of my list of priorities

7417
03:36:51,398 --> 03:36:52,310
because there are people in the

7418
03:36:52,310 --> 03:36:55,310
community that need to be

7419
03:36:56,903 --> 03:36:58,905
served. So, um. If we are gonna

7420
03:36:58,905 --> 03:37:00,340
do closed session, then it is

7421
03:37:00,340 --> 03:37:01,341
closed session. We

7422
03:37:01,341 --> 03:37:03,341
re not

7423
03:37:05,145 --> 03:37:06,613
trying to use it to politically

7424
03:37:06,613 --> 03:37:08,215
navigate whoever our we

7425
03:37:08,215 --> 03:37:10,116
consider our constituents to be

7426
03:37:10,116 --> 03:37:10,983
that we are, we

7427
03:37:10,983 --> 03:37:11,451
re having this

7428
03:37:11,451 --> 03:37:12,418
conversation and we

7429
03:37:12,418 --> 03:37:13,420
re

7430
03:37:13,420 --> 03:37:13,586
determining as a council how

7431
03:37:13,586 --> 03:37:15,121
we

7432
03:37:15,121 --> 03:37:15,521
re gonna move forward. Um,

7433
03:37:15,521 --> 03:37:16,689
for me, it

7434
03:37:16,689 --> 03:37:17,958
s going to be

7435
03:37:17,958 --> 03:37:18,458
against, it was against the

7436
03:37:18,458 --> 03:37:19,426
first night, it

7437
03:37:19,426 --> 03:37:21,426
s gonna be

7438
03:37:21,828 --> 03:37:22,729
against the last night. And I

7439
03:37:22,729 --> 03:37:24,164
appreciate, oh, I

7440
03:37:24,164 --> 03:37:25,632
m sorry, I

7441
03:37:25,632 --> 03:37:26,632
appreciate transparency, but i

7442
03:37:26,632 --> 03:37:27,701
also know that there

7443
03:37:27,701 --> 03:37:28,368
s value to

7444
03:37:28,368 --> 03:37:28,568
attorney-client privilege, and

7445
03:37:28,568 --> 03:37:29,469
there

7446
03:37:29,469 --> 03:37:30,503
s a reason you do those

7447
03:37:30,503 --> 03:37:30,604
things in closed session. It

7448
03:37:30,604 --> 03:37:31,404
s

7449
03:37:31,404 --> 03:37:31,938
not to conceal things from the

7450
03:37:31,938 --> 03:37:33,500
public. It

7451
03:37:33,500 --> 03:37:34,441
s that you have to

7452
03:37:34,441 --> 03:37:35,675
have a discussion about your

7453
03:37:35,675 --> 03:37:36,810
legal obligations and legal

7454
03:37:36,810 --> 03:37:38,678
consequences. So I would say we

7455
03:37:38,678 --> 03:37:39,378
need to have that initial

7456
03:37:39,378 --> 03:37:40,680
conversation in closed session.

7457
03:37:40,680 --> 03:37:42,882
Of course, whatever action we

7458
03:37:42,882 --> 03:37:44,551
take comes out. In open session

7459
03:37:44,551 --> 03:37:45,986
But if we want to do that close

7460
03:37:45,986 --> 03:37:46,420
session on the 24th. I

7461
03:37:46,420 --> 03:37:48,420
m here

7462
03:37:48,421 --> 03:37:49,322
for it and my question as far

7463
03:37:49,322 --> 03:37:49,956
as asking staff what additional

7464
03:37:49,956 --> 03:37:50,123
information we need, I

7465
03:37:50,123 --> 03:37:50,290
d say

7466
03:37:50,290 --> 03:37:52,290
let

7467
03:37:52,926 --> 03:37:55,729
s do a deep dive. On, um

7468
03:37:55,729 --> 03:37:58,970
You know, uh, well. What are

7469
03:37:58,970 --> 03:37:59,599
the, the possible next steps.

7470
03:37:59,599 --> 03:37:59,766
Um, and how have they, how,

7471
03:37:59,766 --> 03:38:01,134
how

7472
03:38:01,134 --> 03:38:01,501
s that happen and uh how

7473
03:38:01,501 --> 03:38:03,501
s

7474
03:38:03,537 --> 03:38:04,771
that kind of concluded in other

7475
03:38:04,771 --> 03:38:07,307
communities, um, how is North

7476
03:38:07,307 --> 03:38:10,307
Carolina law different? Uh, can

7477
03:38:10,644 --> 03:38:12,512
we recoup legal fees? Um

7478
03:38:12,512 --> 03:38:14,815
precedent, just your basic

7479
03:38:14,815 --> 03:38:15,148
legal information. You know, as,

7480
03:38:15,148 --> 03:38:15,815
as the board

7481
03:38:15,815 --> 03:38:17,250
s counsel, I would

7482
03:38:17,250 --> 03:38:17,818
advise the council to go into

7483
03:38:17,818 --> 03:38:18,151
closed session. There

7484
03:38:18,151 --> 03:38:20,151
s a

7485
03:38:20,653 --> 03:38:21,521
reason for that. It

7486
03:38:21,521 --> 03:38:22,656
s

7487
03:38:22,656 --> 03:38:22,822
confidentiality strategy and um

7488
03:38:22,822 --> 03:38:23,956
we

7489
03:38:23,956 --> 03:38:25,391
ve disposed of this item and

7490
03:38:25,391 --> 03:38:25,592
I exactly that we talk, it

7491
03:38:25,592 --> 03:38:26,920
doesn

7492
03:38:26,920 --> 03:38:27,194
t sound like council has

7493
03:38:27,194 --> 03:38:29,620
the appetite to do that tonight

7494
03:38:29,620 --> 03:38:29,429
and we can do that. A future

7495
03:38:29,429 --> 03:38:30,464
meeting, that

7496
03:38:30,464 --> 03:38:32,864
s what I would

7497
03:38:33,266 --> 03:38:34,868
advise counsel. So moved. For,

7498
03:38:34,868 --> 03:38:35,235
for what? To go into closed

7499
03:38:35,235 --> 03:38:36,336
session. We

7500
03:38:36,336 --> 03:38:37,300
re going to closed

7501
03:38:37,300 --> 03:38:40,473
session right now at a future

7502
03:38:40,473 --> 03:38:43,143
meeting. Can we just add that

7503
03:38:43,143 --> 03:38:43,443
to the agenda and that we need

7504
03:38:43,443 --> 03:38:43,676
to. I don

7505
03:38:43,676 --> 03:38:44,110
t, I don

7506
03:38:44,110 --> 03:38:44,711
t think you

7507
03:38:44,711 --> 03:38:48,911
need a motion to do that, but

7508
03:38:50,583 --> 03:38:53,152
yeah. So. Ok. I just want to

7509
03:38:53,152 --> 03:38:53,953
add to the um. My appreciation

7510
03:38:53,953 --> 03:38:55,321
for city staff, and I do not

7511
03:38:55,321 --> 03:38:57,391
believe this has been a waste

7512
03:38:57,391 --> 03:38:57,957
of time. Um, they worked really

7513
03:38:57,957 --> 03:38:59,292
hard and we didn

7514
03:38:59,292 --> 03:39:01,194
t pass it, but

7515
03:39:01,194 --> 03:39:01,361
a month and a half has gone by.

7516
03:39:01,361 --> 03:39:02,696
It

7517
03:39:02,696 --> 03:39:03,697
s given our community time

7518
03:39:03,697 --> 03:39:05,465
to discuss this and to form

7519
03:39:05,465 --> 03:39:08,100
their own opinions and to share

7520
03:39:08,100 --> 03:39:10,370
those opinions with us. Uh, our

7521
03:39:10,370 --> 03:39:11,871
pnz board are, um, voted this

7522
03:39:11,871 --> 03:39:11,972
down, and we have to, we don

7523
03:39:11,972 --> 03:39:12,839
t

7524
03:39:12,839 --> 03:39:14,741
need to follow their advice,

7525
03:39:14,741 --> 03:39:16,476
but we need to listen to it and,

7526
03:39:16,476 --> 03:39:17,844
and appreciate it and respect

7527
03:39:17,844 --> 03:39:18,412
it, um. And it

7528
03:39:18,412 --> 03:39:20,213
s given us all

7529
03:39:20,213 --> 03:39:20,747
time to, to really consider the

7530
03:39:20,747 --> 03:39:21,814
facts. It

7531
03:39:21,814 --> 03:39:22,749
s also giving camping

7532
03:39:22,749 --> 03:39:24,830
word an opportunity to do the

7533
03:39:24,830 --> 03:39:26,253
right thing, to communicate

7534
03:39:26,253 --> 03:39:27,721
with us in any way, and they

7535
03:39:27,721 --> 03:39:28,621
have not. They paid the 1st 2

7536
03:39:28,621 --> 03:39:29,220
fines, and they haven

7537
03:39:29,220 --> 03:39:31,220
t done

7538
03:39:31,425 --> 03:39:32,559
anything since then. They have

7539
03:39:32,559 --> 03:39:34,927
not communicated one bit with

7540
03:39:34,927 --> 03:39:35,762
us, so a month and a half, uh,

7541
03:39:35,762 --> 03:39:37,297
gave them the opportunity to

7542
03:39:37,297 --> 03:39:38,297
also do the right thing, and

7543
03:39:38,297 --> 03:39:38,498
they did not. So I don

7544
03:39:38,498 --> 03:39:39,333
t think

7545
03:39:39,333 --> 03:39:39,499
this has been a waste of time.

7546
03:39:39,499 --> 03:39:41,499
It

7547
03:39:41,701 --> 03:39:41,902
s not been a waste of city

7548
03:39:41,902 --> 03:39:43,700
staff

7549
03:39:43,700 --> 03:39:44,437
s energy. I just want to

7550
03:39:44,437 --> 03:39:46,440
share my appreciation for all

7551
03:39:46,440 --> 03:39:48,308
of you, um, for the hard work

7552
03:39:48,308 --> 03:39:49,309
you do, um, and for. You know,

7553
03:39:49,309 --> 03:39:52,309
serving this community well so

7554
03:39:52,912 --> 03:39:53,146
thank you very much. See

7555
03:39:53,146 --> 03:39:55,146
manager

7556
03:39:55,715 --> 03:39:57,651
s report. Uh, just to

7557
03:39:57,651 --> 03:39:59,753
reiterate, we do have a meeting

7558
03:39:59,753 --> 03:40:01,154
on the MARCH 24th. We normally

7559
03:40:01,154 --> 03:40:02,456
do not have that 3rd meeting,

7560
03:40:02,456 --> 03:40:04,792
but we will have a workshop

7561
03:40:04,792 --> 03:40:05,826
starting at 4. And then we will

7562
03:40:05,826 --> 03:40:06,250
go straight into the meeting at

7563
03:40:06,250 --> 03:40:08,250
6 o

7564
03:40:08,495 --> 03:40:10,196
clock. Um Oh, I

7565
03:40:10,196 --> 03:40:11,731
m sorry.

7566
03:40:11,731 --> 03:40:14,701
Can we go back a little bit. I

7567
03:40:14,701 --> 03:40:16,403
know some of the um

7568
03:40:16,403 --> 03:40:18,605
constituents Acts about a

7569
03:40:18,605 --> 03:40:19,272
workshop regarding. Trees and

7570
03:40:19,272 --> 03:40:22,272
things like that. What would

7571
03:40:22,442 --> 03:40:24,177
that? Entail putting that in

7572
03:40:24,177 --> 03:40:25,245
place. I will, I will talk to

7573
03:40:25,245 --> 03:40:27,147
staff, yes every, I mean, some

7574
03:40:27,147 --> 03:40:27,313
of you might know, we have, um,

7575
03:40:27,313 --> 03:40:29,490
we

7576
03:40:29,490 --> 03:40:31,840
ve been working on the udo

7577
03:40:31,840 --> 03:40:31,985
and the tree, uh, tree aspect

7578
03:40:31,985 --> 03:40:34,554
of that has been a vital part

7579
03:40:34,554 --> 03:40:35,955
of that. So I would suspect

7580
03:40:35,955 --> 03:40:36,957
that when we get in, in, in the

7581
03:40:36,957 --> 03:40:39,957
next several months to talk

7582
03:40:39,992 --> 03:40:40,827
about the udo that will be

7583
03:40:40,827 --> 03:40:43,827
brought up, sorry for the

7584
03:40:44,664 --> 03:40:46,833
interruption. All right, there

7585
03:40:46,833 --> 03:40:49,833
you go. Good. Council Mayor

7586
03:40:52,338 --> 03:40:54,107
Foreman. No more comments. All

7587
03:40:54,107 --> 03:40:56,430
right. COUNCILMAN Blackburn. I

7588
03:40:56,430 --> 03:40:57,511
just would like to, to end on a

7589
03:40:57,511 --> 03:40:59,913
positive note on Tuesday, we

7590
03:40:59,913 --> 03:41:02,649
had a, we took a bus, took 2

7591
03:41:02,649 --> 03:41:06,653
buses to look at a possible, uh,

7592
03:41:06,653 --> 03:41:09,530
industrial park. And, um,

7593
03:41:09,389 --> 03:41:10,557
although our consultants, uh, a

7594
03:41:10,557 --> 03:41:12,426
large group of people, probably

7595
03:41:12,426 --> 03:41:14,826
50 to 75 people that gathered

7596
03:41:15,295 --> 03:41:16,630
for that, including, uh,

7597
03:41:16,630 --> 03:41:18,531
professional engineers and

7598
03:41:18,531 --> 03:41:20,200
consultants and, um, the city

7599
03:41:20,200 --> 03:41:21,534
council met with the, uh,

7600
03:41:21,534 --> 03:41:22,603
county commissioners and just

7601
03:41:22,603 --> 03:41:24,371
what a great opportunity that

7602
03:41:24,371 --> 03:41:26,372
was. And although they were not

7603
03:41:26,372 --> 03:41:28,641
supposed to say so. I

7604
03:41:28,641 --> 03:41:30,910
definitely got the feeling that

7605
03:41:30,910 --> 03:41:33,347
Greenville site was. If not the

7606
03:41:33,347 --> 03:41:36,160
top site. Ok, I got the feeling

7607
03:41:36,160 --> 03:41:37,484
we were really in a good place.

7608
03:41:37,484 --> 03:41:39,386
That our site looks so

7609
03:41:39,386 --> 03:41:39,619
promising for so many reasons,

7610
03:41:39,619 --> 03:41:41,354
and it

7611
03:41:41,354 --> 03:41:42,255
s, um, something that we

7612
03:41:42,255 --> 03:41:42,822
talk about acting with

7613
03:41:42,822 --> 03:41:43,790
transparency. We

7614
03:41:43,790 --> 03:41:44,825
re trying to

7615
03:41:44,825 --> 03:41:46,626
let everyone know what the

7616
03:41:46,626 --> 03:41:46,860
plans are, what it could be,

7617
03:41:46,860 --> 03:41:47,628
how it

7618
03:41:47,628 --> 03:41:48,280
s gonna unfold. We

7619
03:41:48,280 --> 03:41:48,796
re

7620
03:41:48,796 --> 03:41:50,630
trying to involve anybody,

7621
03:41:50,630 --> 03:41:51,898
every, everybody, but really

7622
03:41:51,898 --> 03:41:52,932
this is something that could be

7623
03:41:52,932 --> 03:41:54,401
just a tremendous opportunity

7624
03:41:54,401 --> 03:41:55,602
for our, our community, and I

7625
03:41:55,602 --> 03:41:58,772
just want to thank our city

7626
03:41:58,772 --> 03:42:00,473
staff who I know spent

7627
03:42:00,473 --> 03:42:01,809
countless hours preparing this

7628
03:42:01,809 --> 03:42:03,420
proposal and just what a, what

7629
03:42:03,420 --> 03:42:03,877
a really positive day that was.

7630
03:42:03,877 --> 03:42:04,440
And so thank you. And that

7631
03:42:04,440 --> 03:42:06,440
s it.

7632
03:42:08,281 --> 03:42:10,284
All right. COUNCILMAN Willis.

7633
03:42:10,284 --> 03:42:11,151
Uh, thank you, Mayor. I

7634
03:42:11,151 --> 03:42:11,485
m so

7635
03:42:11,485 --> 03:42:12,118
happy women

7636
03:42:12,118 --> 03:42:14,254
s History Month to

7637
03:42:14,254 --> 03:42:16,230
all of the women who contribute

7638
03:42:16,230 --> 03:42:17,591
to our society and our

7639
03:42:17,591 --> 03:42:20,591
communities every um every day.

7640
03:42:22,296 --> 03:42:23,330
Um, I know we had some employee

7641
03:42:23,330 --> 03:42:24,798
appreciation activities and um

7642
03:42:24,798 --> 03:42:26,666
different things to love on our

7643
03:42:26,666 --> 03:42:28,201
employees with food trucks and

7644
03:42:28,201 --> 03:42:29,669
whatnot this month and last

7645
03:42:29,669 --> 03:42:31,605
week and so, uh, we just

7646
03:42:31,605 --> 03:42:33,106
appreciate all of the work that

7647
03:42:33,106 --> 03:42:35,442
our staff and employees do on a

7648
03:42:35,442 --> 03:42:36,476
daily basis. I also want to

7649
03:42:36,476 --> 03:42:37,778
brag on two initiatives going

7650
03:42:37,778 --> 03:42:40,714
on in the city that are really

7651
03:42:40,714 --> 03:42:41,748
exciting. So the in good

7652
03:42:41,748 --> 03:42:44,118
company Citizens Academy has

7653
03:42:44,118 --> 03:42:46,119
completed 3 sessions so far, so

7654
03:42:46,119 --> 03:42:47,454
excited um that there are about

7655
03:42:47,454 --> 03:42:48,922
25 participants with that. The

7656
03:42:48,922 --> 03:42:49,523
first session they talked about

7657
03:42:49,523 --> 03:42:50,900
the city manager

7658
03:42:50,900 --> 03:42:50,290
s office, the

7659
03:42:50,290 --> 03:42:51,825
clerk

7660
03:42:51,825 --> 03:42:52,920
s office, and the city

7661
03:42:52,920 --> 03:42:52,826
attorney

7662
03:42:52,826 --> 03:42:53,827
s office. The second

7663
03:42:53,827 --> 03:42:55,262
session they had a chance to

7664
03:42:55,262 --> 03:42:56,563
learn about fire and rescue and

7665
03:42:56,563 --> 03:42:57,731
the police department, and then

7666
03:42:57,731 --> 03:42:59,165
just last night they learned

7667
03:42:59,165 --> 03:42:59,532
all about public works, so it

7668
03:42:59,532 --> 03:43:01,532
s

7669
03:43:02,502 --> 03:43:03,470
been a really cool experience

7670
03:43:03,470 --> 03:43:03,737
and um really exciting program

7671
03:43:03,737 --> 03:43:05,105
that they

7672
03:43:05,105 --> 03:43:07,505
re involved in. And

7673
03:43:07,874 --> 03:43:08,909
then also our small business

7674
03:43:08,909 --> 03:43:10,909
technical assistance program,

7675
03:43:11,378 --> 03:43:12,813
so a little update about that,

7676
03:43:12,813 --> 03:43:14,181
um, that was uh approved by

7677
03:43:14,181 --> 03:43:15,149
council last year. They are

7678
03:43:15,149 --> 03:43:16,750
about halfway done with their

7679
03:43:16,750 --> 03:43:18,510
cohort. This is about a dozen

7680
03:43:18,510 --> 03:43:19,653
small businesses that are

7681
03:43:19,653 --> 03:43:21,422
getting some very needed one on

7682
03:43:21,422 --> 03:43:23,523
one attention that they might

7683
03:43:23,523 --> 03:43:24,858
not have otherwise gotten

7684
03:43:24,858 --> 03:43:27,258
without this initiative through

7685
03:43:27,461 --> 03:43:29,196
the city, um, led by Monday

7686
03:43:29,196 --> 03:43:30,764
Solutions, um, Monday Solutions

7687
03:43:30,764 --> 03:43:32,199
is a consulting group that

7688
03:43:32,199 --> 03:43:33,633
empowers leaders and businesses

7689
03:43:33,633 --> 03:43:36,300
to not feel overwhelmed and

7690
03:43:36,300 --> 03:43:37,605
feel good about Monday again.

7691
03:43:37,605 --> 03:43:38,872
So these businesses um have

7692
03:43:38,872 --> 03:43:40,507
completed their 6th coaching

7693
03:43:40,507 --> 03:43:41,942
sessions, and they

7694
03:43:41,942 --> 03:43:42,743
ve done 21

7695
03:43:42,743 --> 03:43:43,844
on one coaching sessions. Like

7696
03:43:43,844 --> 03:43:45,879
how many small businesses do

7697
03:43:45,879 --> 03:43:47,548
you know get that type of

7698
03:43:47,548 --> 03:43:49,516
attention. Um, money Solutions

7699
03:43:49,516 --> 03:43:50,984
has helped them establish a web

7700
03:43:50,984 --> 03:43:51,518
presence for some businesses

7701
03:43:51,518 --> 03:43:53,420
that didn

7702
03:43:53,420 --> 03:43:54,421
t previously have one.

7703
03:43:54,421 --> 03:43:55,389
And they

7704
03:43:55,389 --> 03:43:56,890
ve assisted in

7705
03:43:56,890 --> 03:43:56,756
establishing financial

7706
03:43:56,756 --> 03:43:59,156
structures for these businesses.

7707
03:44:00,527 --> 03:44:02,620
Record keeping and establishing

7708
03:44:02,620 --> 03:44:02,529
budget practices. So that

7709
03:44:02,529 --> 03:44:03,300
s um

7710
03:44:03,300 --> 03:44:03,530
the great work that

7711
03:44:03,530 --> 03:44:05,365
s being

7712
03:44:05,365 --> 03:44:07,468
done, initiated by the city

7713
03:44:07,468 --> 03:44:09,236
through Money Solutions, um,

7714
03:44:09,236 --> 03:44:10,303
each and every month on an

7715
03:44:10,303 --> 03:44:11,672
ongoing basis and then as

7716
03:44:11,672 --> 03:44:14,720
council member, Blackburn says

7717
03:44:14,107 --> 03:44:15,420
we had a joint county

7718
03:44:15,420 --> 03:44:16,643
commissioners and city council

7719
03:44:16,643 --> 03:44:19,413
meeting, um, this week, and I

7720
03:44:19,413 --> 03:44:21,348
would love to see that happen

7721
03:44:21,348 --> 03:44:23,283
maybe biannually, MR. C Manager,

7722
03:44:23,283 --> 03:44:24,318
so we need more of that. We

7723
03:44:24,318 --> 03:44:25,986
enjoyed that and um there was a

7724
03:44:25,986 --> 03:44:27,821
lot to glean from it, so thank

7725
03:44:27,821 --> 03:44:29,389
you, thank you, Mayor. Council

7726
03:44:29,389 --> 03:44:32,389
member Scully. Thank you, Mayor.

7727
03:44:33,426 --> 03:44:33,827
Uh Happy Women

7728
03:44:33,827 --> 03:44:35,827
s History Month.

7729
03:44:35,829 --> 03:44:37,798
My girl dad, so I take every

7730
03:44:37,798 --> 03:44:39,633
opportunity to lift up women

7731
03:44:39,633 --> 03:44:42,330
and celebrate women. Got 3

7732
03:44:42,350 --> 03:44:43,570
daughters, um, so proud of them.

7733
03:44:43,570 --> 03:44:45,906
Um, and so happy that we live

7734
03:44:45,906 --> 03:44:46,907
in this time where they have

7735
03:44:46,907 --> 03:44:48,475
every opportunity that they

7736
03:44:48,475 --> 03:44:49,943
have to, to pursue their dreams

7737
03:44:49,943 --> 03:44:50,844
and to do great things in their

7738
03:44:50,844 --> 03:44:51,912
lives, and that

7739
03:44:51,912 --> 03:44:53,213
s all been paid

7740
03:44:53,213 --> 03:44:53,414
for by, uh, women who

7741
03:44:53,414 --> 03:44:55,115
ve come

7742
03:44:55,115 --> 03:44:56,150
before us, uh, and done great

7743
03:44:56,150 --> 03:44:57,284
things in this country and

7744
03:44:57,284 --> 03:44:58,619
around the world, uh, to

7745
03:44:58,619 --> 03:44:59,787
improve the lives of women and

7746
03:44:59,787 --> 03:45:01,188
to give them the opportunities

7747
03:45:01,188 --> 03:45:01,389
they have today. So Happy

7748
03:45:01,389 --> 03:45:03,389
Women

7749
03:45:04,291 --> 03:45:06,927
s History Month. And, uh,

7750
03:45:06,927 --> 03:45:08,129
go girls. Um, And another thing

7751
03:45:08,129 --> 03:45:09,796
I got a great opportunity to

7752
03:45:09,796 --> 03:45:12,266
serve uh Meals on Wheels this

7753
03:45:12,266 --> 03:45:13,734
week over at the, um, Pitt

7754
03:45:13,734 --> 03:45:13,901
County Council on Aging. Um,

7755
03:45:13,901 --> 03:45:14,935
it

7756
03:45:14,935 --> 03:45:17,104
s a really wonderful thing

7757
03:45:17,104 --> 03:45:19,273
to do. It was easy, took about

7758
03:45:19,273 --> 03:45:20,674
an hour. It was super well

7759
03:45:20,674 --> 03:45:22,142
organized. They had a hot box

7760
03:45:22,142 --> 03:45:23,944
with some hot food, a cooler

7761
03:45:23,944 --> 03:45:25,445
with milks and a bag of cake

7762
03:45:25,445 --> 03:45:26,280
and bread, uh, and they had a,

7763
03:45:26,280 --> 03:45:27,381
a little tablet that I took

7764
03:45:27,381 --> 03:45:28,748
with me that showed me exactly

7765
03:45:28,748 --> 03:45:30,284
where to go, what order to

7766
03:45:30,284 --> 03:45:30,484
deliver in, so it

7767
03:45:30,484 --> 03:45:31,686
s most

7768
03:45:31,686 --> 03:45:33,286
efficient. It was really fun. I

7769
03:45:33,286 --> 03:45:34,821
got to interact with some of

7770
03:45:34,821 --> 03:45:36,590
our citizens that need visiting,

7771
03:45:36,590 --> 03:45:37,891
need food. Um, and I also

7772
03:45:37,891 --> 03:45:39,359
learned about some really great

7773
03:45:39,359 --> 03:45:40,894
information from the manager of

7774
03:45:40,894 --> 03:45:43,230
the Pitt County Council on

7775
03:45:43,230 --> 03:45:44,665
Aging, um, told me about the

7776
03:45:44,665 --> 03:45:45,833
services that they offer that

7777
03:45:45,833 --> 03:45:46,800
the people that they serve

7778
03:45:46,800 --> 03:45:49,800
their average income is about,

7779
03:45:50,537 --> 03:45:52,540
I think you said $9700 a year,

7780
03:45:52,540 --> 03:45:54,442
a year, um, uh, poverty level,

7781
03:45:54,442 --> 03:45:56,777
I think he said it was 120 to

7782
03:45:56,777 --> 03:45:59,380
$13,000 a year, so well below

7783
03:45:59,380 --> 03:45:59,947
the poverty level. Um, these

7784
03:45:59,947 --> 03:46:00,247
are individuals that can

7785
03:46:00,247 --> 03:46:01,715
t get

7786
03:46:01,715 --> 03:46:01,815
out of their homes, they can

7787
03:46:01,815 --> 03:46:03,150
t

7788
03:46:03,150 --> 03:46:04,718
drive, they MAY be too sick to

7789
03:46:04,718 --> 03:46:06,520
do those things or too old to

7790
03:46:06,520 --> 03:46:07,387
do those things, so they need.

7791
03:46:07,387 --> 03:46:09,900
Not just the nutrition, but

7792
03:46:09,900 --> 03:46:10,157
they need the visit, the smile,

7793
03:46:10,157 --> 03:46:11,558
the hey, how are you doing

7794
03:46:11,558 --> 03:46:13,761
today? Are you ok? Anything

7795
03:46:13,761 --> 03:46:14,795
else I can get for you? Have a

7796
03:46:14,795 --> 03:46:15,929
great day. Uh, I talked to one

7797
03:46:15,929 --> 03:46:16,897
woman who was like nervous

7798
03:46:16,897 --> 03:46:17,298
about going to the grocery

7799
03:46:17,298 --> 03:46:18,650
store. She hadn

7800
03:46:18,650 --> 03:46:19,133
t been in the

7801
03:46:19,133 --> 03:46:19,800
grocery store in 2 years. She

7802
03:46:19,800 --> 03:46:22,703
was thinking about going that

7803
03:46:22,703 --> 03:46:25,238
day. I was like, you can do it,

7804
03:46:25,238 --> 03:46:27,410
go to the grocery store. Um, so

7805
03:46:27,410 --> 03:46:28,543
just as interactions I had with

7806
03:46:28,543 --> 03:46:30,760
them were so pleasant for me,

7807
03:46:30,760 --> 03:46:32,379
and I know that it really

7808
03:46:32,379 --> 03:46:33,347
brightened their day, um, and

7809
03:46:33,347 --> 03:46:34,882
they really need support over

7810
03:46:34,882 --> 03:46:36,817
at the Pitt County Council on

7811
03:46:36,817 --> 03:46:38,485
Aging. Um, they serve about 400

7812
03:46:38,485 --> 03:46:39,820
people a day, and they have

7813
03:46:39,820 --> 03:46:40,888
about 100 people on their

7814
03:46:40,888 --> 03:46:41,550
waiting list. Um, but they

7815
03:46:41,550 --> 03:46:43,550
don

7816
03:46:43,570 --> 03:46:44,225
t just need money, they

7817
03:46:44,225 --> 03:46:45,125
need money and volunteers, uh,

7818
03:46:45,125 --> 03:46:46,994
because they need the, the

7819
03:46:46,994 --> 03:46:47,928
money to pay for the food, the,

7820
03:46:47,928 --> 03:46:49,396
the stuff to deliver the food,

7821
03:46:49,396 --> 03:46:51,299
but they also need people to

7822
03:46:51,299 --> 03:46:53,266
come and help deliver it. Um,

7823
03:46:53,266 --> 03:46:54,669
So please consider making a a

7824
03:46:54,669 --> 03:46:56,700
monetary donation, uh, making a

7825
03:46:56,700 --> 03:46:57,204
contribution of your time and

7826
03:46:57,204 --> 03:46:58,605
energy, uh, get over there and

7827
03:46:58,605 --> 03:46:59,941
help out. Like I said, it took

7828
03:46:59,941 --> 03:47:01,475
an hour. It was really

7829
03:47:01,475 --> 03:47:03,311
wonderful, pleasant thing to do,

7830
03:47:03,311 --> 03:47:04,845
and I hope all, uh, take

7831
03:47:04,845 --> 03:47:06,413
advantage of that opportunity,

7832
03:47:06,413 --> 03:47:07,514
uh, and help out our community

7833
03:47:07,514 --> 03:47:08,315
and really important impactful

7834
03:47:08,315 --> 03:47:11,915
way. So thank you, Mayor. Thank

7835
03:47:12,186 --> 03:47:14,121
you. Council member Robinson. I

7836
03:47:14,121 --> 03:47:14,722
want to echo what counts from

7837
03:47:14,722 --> 03:47:17,122
Black said and COUNCILMAN

7838
03:47:18,325 --> 03:47:18,993
Willis. The mega site is a game

7839
03:47:18,993 --> 03:47:20,327
changer for the north side of

7840
03:47:20,327 --> 03:47:20,828
the river. It, it

7841
03:47:20,828 --> 03:47:21,295
s going to be

7842
03:47:21,295 --> 03:47:21,929
wonderful. It

7843
03:47:21,929 --> 03:47:24,329
s down the road,

7844
03:47:24,532 --> 03:47:26,330
obviously, but. I believe the

7845
03:47:26,330 --> 03:47:26,933
gentleman said it was

7846
03:47:26,933 --> 03:47:29,333
definitely his favorite site

7847
03:47:29,403 --> 03:47:30,838
and I kind of read that as in

7848
03:47:30,838 --> 03:47:31,672
into the mix and it was

7849
03:47:31,672 --> 03:47:33,340
probably the number one site in

7850
03:47:33,340 --> 03:47:33,908
the state. But it

7851
03:47:33,908 --> 03:47:34,908
s a game

7852
03:47:34,908 --> 03:47:36,244
changer for the north side of

7853
03:47:36,244 --> 03:47:36,811
the river all the way out, in

7854
03:47:36,811 --> 03:47:38,679
my opinion, it

7855
03:47:38,679 --> 03:47:40,113
ll ripple out to

7856
03:47:40,113 --> 03:47:41,115
Bethel and beyond and bring

7857
03:47:41,115 --> 03:47:43,160
everything to the north side of

7858
03:47:43,160 --> 03:47:43,951
the river has really been

7859
03:47:43,951 --> 03:47:45,252
looking for because again, if

7860
03:47:45,252 --> 03:47:47,354
we look at the development of

7861
03:47:47,354 --> 03:47:48,956
East, South, North, and west.

7862
03:47:48,956 --> 03:47:51,192
Um, north side river really

7863
03:47:51,192 --> 03:47:52,660
needs some attention. This

7864
03:47:52,660 --> 03:47:53,794
megasitis, I really think the

7865
03:47:53,794 --> 03:47:55,563
grand slam home run that is

7866
03:47:55,563 --> 03:47:57,980
gonna need, so I hope we

7867
03:47:57,980 --> 03:47:58,299
continue to pursue that and,

7868
03:47:58,299 --> 03:47:59,670
and aggressively, it certainly

7869
03:47:59,670 --> 03:48:00,902
will happen in the next couple

7870
03:48:00,902 --> 03:48:01,902
of years in terms of

7871
03:48:01,902 --> 03:48:03,700
development, but looking at it

7872
03:48:03,700 --> 03:48:04,738
down the road and know that we

7873
03:48:04,738 --> 03:48:05,906
were beginning to get the

7874
03:48:05,906 --> 03:48:06,600
genesis of that program, it

7875
03:48:06,600 --> 03:48:07,275
s

7876
03:48:07,275 --> 03:48:08,209
going to truly be a game

7877
03:48:08,209 --> 03:48:08,409
changer and if you don

7878
03:48:08,409 --> 03:48:09,443
t know

7879
03:48:09,443 --> 03:48:11,780
much about it, please get

7880
03:48:11,780 --> 03:48:12,680
involved. As the city and. Let

7881
03:48:12,680 --> 03:48:13,680
them show you the slides and

7882
03:48:13,680 --> 03:48:14,715
the information that talk about

7883
03:48:14,715 --> 03:48:15,582
the mega site and actually

7884
03:48:15,582 --> 03:48:15,750
right out there. It

7885
03:48:15,750 --> 03:48:15,983
s, it

7886
03:48:15,983 --> 03:48:16,150
s,

7887
03:48:16,150 --> 03:48:17,451
it

7888
03:48:17,451 --> 03:48:19,487
s gonna be a showpiece and a,

7889
03:48:19,487 --> 03:48:23,870
and a true game changer. Uh,

7890
03:48:23,390 --> 03:48:24,826
number 2, On JANUARY 24th to

7891
03:48:24,826 --> 03:48:26,930
JANUARY the 26th, the beast of

7892
03:48:26,930 --> 03:48:28,496
the east was scheduled to come

7893
03:48:28,496 --> 03:48:31,496
here and bring in. Uh, 6

7894
03:48:32,866 --> 03:48:33,567
different states. Almost 1800

7895
03:48:33,567 --> 03:48:35,967
players with about 3000 parents.

7896
03:48:36,737 --> 03:48:39,306
Uh, last year when they came,

7897
03:48:39,306 --> 03:48:40,700
they brought in almost $900,000

7898
03:48:40,700 --> 03:48:41,976
into our community over a

7899
03:48:41,976 --> 03:48:43,976
three-day tournament.

7900
03:48:45,413 --> 03:48:46,347
Unfortunately, Had to send back

7901
03:48:46,347 --> 03:48:48,747
$55,000 of the, of the

7902
03:48:49,500 --> 03:48:51,252
tournament money. Because the

7903
03:48:51,252 --> 03:48:54,154
fields were covered by snow.

7904
03:48:54,154 --> 03:48:55,656
Why do I bring that up? My

7905
03:48:55,656 --> 03:48:57,570
favorite topic, as you well

7906
03:48:57,570 --> 03:49:00,657
know, is a sports complex. Had

7907
03:49:00,828 --> 03:49:02,296
we had Artificial fields and a

7908
03:49:02,296 --> 03:49:03,398
sports complex. Not only could

7909
03:49:03,398 --> 03:49:04,899
they have had 110 teams, they

7910
03:49:04,899 --> 03:49:06,400
probably would have had well

7911
03:49:06,400 --> 03:49:07,334
over 200. Those of you watching

7912
03:49:07,334 --> 03:49:08,736
and those out in the audience,

7913
03:49:08,736 --> 03:49:09,236
the beast of the East and the

7914
03:49:09,236 --> 03:49:09,637
soccer tournament that

7915
03:49:09,637 --> 03:49:11,637
s been

7916
03:49:12,720 --> 03:49:12,773
going on for over, I think 20

7917
03:49:12,773 --> 03:49:14,442
years that involves youth from

7918
03:49:14,442 --> 03:49:16,770
all over our county. They have

7919
03:49:16,770 --> 03:49:16,277
built it up to 110 teams, but

7920
03:49:16,277 --> 03:49:17,478
that

7921
03:49:17,478 --> 03:49:17,979
s kind of the limit

7922
03:49:17,979 --> 03:49:19,747
because they can

7923
03:49:19,747 --> 03:49:21,182
t get any more

7924
03:49:21,182 --> 03:49:23,650
fields and so it was hard

7925
03:49:23,650 --> 03:49:24,619
pressed to send back that

7926
03:49:24,619 --> 03:49:25,886
$55,000 but more importantly,

7927
03:49:25,886 --> 03:49:28,922
it was hard pressed not to see

7928
03:49:28,922 --> 03:49:30,240
almost 5000 players and their

7929
03:49:30,240 --> 03:49:30,457
family members, that

7930
03:49:30,457 --> 03:49:31,910
s not

7931
03:49:31,910 --> 03:49:33,360
including other people that

7932
03:49:33,360 --> 03:49:33,995
might come in and watch this

7933
03:49:33,995 --> 03:49:34,895
tournament that were turned

7934
03:49:34,895 --> 03:49:36,230
away because of our weather,

7935
03:49:36,230 --> 03:49:39,660
and I get it, snow turns away a

7936
03:49:39,660 --> 03:49:40,167
lot of people, but have we had

7937
03:49:40,167 --> 03:49:41,568
artificial turf that that would

7938
03:49:41,568 --> 03:49:42,637
have been probably over 200

7939
03:49:42,637 --> 03:49:44,539
teams and probably over a

7940
03:49:44,539 --> 03:49:45,439
million dollars in our economy

7941
03:49:45,439 --> 03:49:45,940
over 3 days. So that

7942
03:49:45,940 --> 03:49:46,974
s why I

7943
03:49:46,974 --> 03:49:48,409
pushed that out there. They

7944
03:49:48,409 --> 03:49:49,100
reached out to me and I said,

7945
03:49:49,100 --> 03:49:51,412
please share the numbers and

7946
03:49:51,412 --> 03:49:52,130
again, came from North Carolina,

7947
03:49:52,130 --> 03:49:52,913
would have come to North

7948
03:49:52,913 --> 03:49:54,810
Carolina, Virginia, South

7949
03:49:54,810 --> 03:49:55,383
Carolina, Georgia, West

7950
03:49:55,383 --> 03:49:58,383
Virginia, and New Jersey that

7951
03:49:59,487 --> 03:50:00,521
far away to come play soccer.

7952
03:50:00,521 --> 03:50:01,155
Next, my mother

7953
03:50:01,155 --> 03:50:03,155
s birthday was

7954
03:50:03,157 --> 03:50:04,825
MARCH 11th. She would have been

7955
03:50:04,825 --> 03:50:05,493
97 years old, which is a

7956
03:50:05,493 --> 03:50:06,270
historical day. I

7957
03:50:06,270 --> 03:50:07,862
ll always

7958
03:50:07,862 --> 03:50:09,300
remember it, but This is

7959
03:50:09,300 --> 03:50:10,164
something I really want to brag

7960
03:50:10,164 --> 03:50:10,264
about. I know Mayor, you

7961
03:50:10,264 --> 03:50:12,264
re

7962
03:50:14,680 --> 03:50:16,170
gonna like this. On MARCH 11th,

7963
03:50:16,170 --> 03:50:17,905
Parker Bird became the first

7964
03:50:17,905 --> 03:50:19,390
collegiate athlete to get an

7965
03:50:19,390 --> 03:50:22,310
rbi run batted in as an amputee.

7966
03:50:22,310 --> 03:50:24,710
What an amazing compliment,

7967
03:50:25,213 --> 03:50:26,814
that young man. About 2 years

7968
03:50:26,814 --> 03:50:28,115
ago now was, I mean, he was

7969
03:50:28,115 --> 03:50:29,550
highly recruited, one of the

7970
03:50:29,550 --> 03:50:30,651
best in the country in a

7971
03:50:30,651 --> 03:50:33,651
boating accident, lost his leg

7972
03:50:33,988 --> 03:50:35,890
below his knee. A lot of people

7973
03:50:35,890 --> 03:50:35,656
would consider him dumb. Parker

7974
03:50:35,656 --> 03:50:36,257
said, no, I

7975
03:50:36,257 --> 03:50:36,357
m not done. I

7976
03:50:36,357 --> 03:50:38,357
m

7977
03:50:38,792 --> 03:50:41,162
just beginning. And so his goal

7978
03:50:41,162 --> 03:50:41,763
was to get back and play

7979
03:50:41,763 --> 03:50:44,163
collegiate baseball as an

7980
03:50:44,532 --> 03:50:46,868
amputee. He batted once. And

7981
03:50:46,868 --> 03:50:50,171
that was a record. But on MARCH

7982
03:50:50,171 --> 03:50:51,505
11th, he took the bat. A and as

7983
03:50:51,505 --> 03:50:53,107
a result a run was batted in,

7984
03:50:53,107 --> 03:50:54,843
and he was the first in

7985
03:50:54,843 --> 03:50:56,944
collegiate career. This young

7986
03:50:56,944 --> 03:50:58,746
man has a testament to you can

7987
03:50:58,746 --> 03:50:59,914
still do it no matter what if

7988
03:50:59,914 --> 03:51:00,748
you have enough drive. So

7989
03:51:00,748 --> 03:51:01,749
Parker, if you

7990
03:51:01,749 --> 03:51:02,717
re watching my

7991
03:51:02,717 --> 03:51:04,685
friend, congratulations to you

7992
03:51:04,685 --> 03:51:06,954
and your family. You keep that

7993
03:51:06,954 --> 03:51:08,923
spirit up because he is a, a

7994
03:51:08,923 --> 03:51:10,525
message to many people who have

7995
03:51:10,525 --> 03:51:12,393
disabilities that anything is

7996
03:51:12,393 --> 03:51:13,794
possible if you want it bad

7997
03:51:13,794 --> 03:51:15,794
enough. So again,

7998
03:51:15,829 --> 03:51:16,731
congratulations to Parker.

7999
03:51:16,731 --> 03:51:17,465
Congratulations finally to our

8000
03:51:17,465 --> 03:51:19,199
two employees who retired.

8001
03:51:19,199 --> 03:51:21,200
Thank you for your service. And

8002
03:51:21,200 --> 03:51:22,770
also again, the testament to

8003
03:51:22,770 --> 03:51:23,504
our EMTs for setting yet again

8004
03:51:23,504 --> 03:51:24,438
another life. I don

8005
03:51:24,438 --> 03:51:26,438
t think it

8006
03:51:26,874 --> 03:51:28,776
was about this time last year.

8007
03:51:28,776 --> 03:51:29,710
When the gentleman, uh, we

8008
03:51:29,710 --> 03:51:30,745
recognized over in Wilson who

8009
03:51:30,745 --> 03:51:34,115
saved a life over there if you

8010
03:51:34,115 --> 03:51:35,683
recall. So this again is a

8011
03:51:35,683 --> 03:51:37,351
testament to our EMTs and the

8012
03:51:37,351 --> 03:51:39,153
quality of service they provide,

8013
03:51:39,153 --> 03:51:40,210
because, but for that. Young

8014
03:51:40,210 --> 03:51:40,789
person would not be here

8015
03:51:40,789 --> 03:51:41,255
tonight, so that

8016
03:51:41,255 --> 03:51:42,890
s a testament

8017
03:51:42,890 --> 03:51:43,190
to GOD

8018
03:51:43,190 --> 03:51:44,492
s will and also good

8019
03:51:44,492 --> 03:51:46,294
medical service. So with that

8020
03:51:46,294 --> 03:51:47,728
mayor, I say one more thing, I

8021
03:51:47,728 --> 03:51:49,464
appreciate everybody. Coming

8022
03:51:49,464 --> 03:51:51,499
out and hearing your voices. I

8023
03:51:51,499 --> 03:51:53,340
MAY not always agree with what

8024
03:51:53,340 --> 03:51:54,602
everybody says and how you and

8025
03:51:54,602 --> 03:51:56,270
I know that and I say that

8026
03:51:56,270 --> 03:51:57,305
because, you know, but I, I

8027
03:51:57,305 --> 03:51:59,640
respect their right to come out

8028
03:51:59,640 --> 03:51:59,974
and, and tell us your opinions

8029
03:51:59,974 --> 03:52:00,208
because that

8030
03:52:00,208 --> 03:52:00,608
s what we

8031
03:52:00,608 --> 03:52:02,608
re

8032
03:52:03,110 --> 03:52:03,278
supposed to hear, so please

8033
03:52:03,278 --> 03:52:04,579
don

8034
03:52:04,579 --> 03:52:04,946
t ever think that any of us

8035
03:52:04,946 --> 03:52:05,346
out here don

8036
03:52:05,346 --> 03:52:06,914
t think you should

8037
03:52:06,914 --> 03:52:08,449
come down. I encourage people

8038
03:52:08,449 --> 03:52:10,985
to come down, let your voices

8039
03:52:10,985 --> 03:52:12,286
be heard by us, not only

8040
03:52:12,286 --> 03:52:14,686
presently online and those

8041
03:52:14,889 --> 03:52:15,223
watching on tv, email us, uh,

8042
03:52:15,223 --> 03:52:15,689
because that

8043
03:52:15,689 --> 03:52:16,991
s extremely

8044
03:52:16,991 --> 03:52:17,658
important for us, particularly

8045
03:52:17,658 --> 03:52:19,126
in very difficult situation.

8046
03:52:19,126 --> 03:52:20,194
And so I hope all of you

8047
03:52:20,194 --> 03:52:21,496
understand that, but please

8048
03:52:21,496 --> 03:52:22,863
continue to come out and

8049
03:52:22,863 --> 03:52:23,964
whether we think you think we

8050
03:52:23,964 --> 03:52:24,966
agree with your opinion or not

8051
03:52:24,966 --> 03:52:25,866
or individually agree with you

8052
03:52:25,866 --> 03:52:26,434
or not, please don

8053
03:52:26,434 --> 03:52:27,401
t let that

8054
03:52:27,401 --> 03:52:29,270
discourage you from reaching

8055
03:52:29,270 --> 03:52:30,238
out to us on other topics

8056
03:52:30,238 --> 03:52:32,107
because this is one issue that

8057
03:52:32,107 --> 03:52:34,740
lots of others to come down the

8058
03:52:34,740 --> 03:52:34,342
road to my council members,

8059
03:52:34,342 --> 03:52:36,440
thank y

8060
03:52:36,440 --> 03:52:36,977
all for weighing such a

8061
03:52:36,977 --> 03:52:38,413
heavy issue because this is

8062
03:52:38,413 --> 03:52:40,848
weight heavy on all of us. I

8063
03:52:40,848 --> 03:52:42,249
know in our staff, so I respect

8064
03:52:42,249 --> 03:52:42,484
all of your decisions, even if

8065
03:52:42,484 --> 03:52:43,318
I don

8066
03:52:43,318 --> 03:52:44,285
t necessarily agree with

8067
03:52:44,285 --> 03:52:45,252
him. I respect every one of

8068
03:52:45,252 --> 03:52:45,753
them and know we, we

8069
03:52:45,753 --> 03:52:47,220
ve got to

8070
03:52:47,220 --> 03:52:50,622
move forward and keep moving to

8071
03:52:50,825 --> 03:52:52,160
keep our city. A lot Growing

8072
03:52:52,160 --> 03:52:55,160
Mayor, thank you. I appreciate

8073
03:52:55,496 --> 03:52:55,664
you letting me comment. Ok.

8074
03:52:55,664 --> 03:52:55,997
It

8075
03:52:55,997 --> 03:52:57,565
s almost 10 o

8076
03:52:57,565 --> 03:52:58,799
clock. Oh, you

8077
03:52:58,799 --> 03:53:01,202
wait till it gets to me to say

8078
03:53:01,202 --> 03:53:01,702
that, um. I got a lot to say.

8079
03:53:01,702 --> 03:53:02,537
No, I

8080
03:53:02,537 --> 03:53:02,637
m joking. Happy Woman

8081
03:53:02,637 --> 03:53:04,637
s

8082
03:53:05,740 --> 03:53:07,675
Month. Um, to all the women who

8083
03:53:07,675 --> 03:53:10,145
have paved the way and who

8084
03:53:10,145 --> 03:53:11,145
continue to do so, we will the

8085
03:53:11,145 --> 03:53:11,512
city of Greenville. We

8086
03:53:11,512 --> 03:53:13,512
ve had

8087
03:53:14,515 --> 03:53:15,916
some videos on our website to

8088
03:53:15,916 --> 03:53:16,417
celebrate women with businesses,

8089
03:53:16,417 --> 03:53:18,286
and we

8090
03:53:18,286 --> 03:53:20,221
ll also be having

8091
03:53:20,221 --> 03:53:22,621
empower her, celebrating women

8092
03:53:25,993 --> 03:53:28,729
in business. On MARCH 20th from

8093
03:53:28,729 --> 03:53:29,230
6 to 9 P.M. At Coastal fog.

8094
03:53:29,230 --> 03:53:29,698
Come out let

8095
03:53:29,698 --> 03:53:31,698
s celebrate the

8096
03:53:32,200 --> 03:53:34,350
women in our lives, the women

8097
03:53:34,350 --> 03:53:34,769
in small businesses and

8098
03:53:34,769 --> 03:53:37,169
businesses that keep Greenville

8099
03:53:39,173 --> 03:53:40,341
growing. And it is also social

8100
03:53:40,341 --> 03:53:40,508
worker appreciation Month, so

8101
03:53:40,508 --> 03:53:41,375
don

8102
03:53:41,375 --> 03:53:43,440
t forget to thank a social

8103
03:53:43,440 --> 03:53:44,112
worker or take her out for

8104
03:53:44,112 --> 03:53:44,246
coffee, whichever one y

8105
03:53:44,246 --> 03:53:46,246
all

8106
03:53:48,283 --> 03:53:51,152
like to do, um, yeah. That

8107
03:53:51,152 --> 03:53:54,121
works very well for me. Um, and

8108
03:53:54,121 --> 03:53:55,390
I would also, I know. I told

8109
03:53:55,390 --> 03:53:57,925
them the other day I stood in

8110
03:53:57,925 --> 03:53:58,793
for you. And I said, you know,

8111
03:53:58,793 --> 03:53:58,993
for the first time I

8112
03:53:58,993 --> 03:53:59,360
m gonna

8113
03:53:59,360 --> 03:54:00,928
say I

8114
03:54:00,928 --> 03:54:01,960
m glad the mayor

8115
03:54:01,960 --> 03:54:03,960
s not

8116
03:54:03,970 --> 03:54:04,165
here because I had an

8117
03:54:04,165 --> 03:54:05,990
opportunity to attend the

8118
03:54:05,990 --> 03:54:07,469
service award ceremony for our

8119
03:54:07,469 --> 03:54:10,405
staff. Thank you all for all

8120
03:54:10,405 --> 03:54:12,240
the hard work that you do every

8121
03:54:12,240 --> 03:54:14,709
single day. Um, it is

8122
03:54:14,709 --> 03:54:17,478
appreciated and it is valued.

8123
03:54:17,478 --> 03:54:19,681
And speaking of which, I know

8124
03:54:19,681 --> 03:54:21,650
we all know that our chief Ted

8125
03:54:21,650 --> 03:54:21,849
Sas is retiring soon. He

8126
03:54:21,849 --> 03:54:22,550
doesn

8127
03:54:22,550 --> 03:54:23,618
t want to go y

8128
03:54:23,618 --> 03:54:23,785
all, but

8129
03:54:23,785 --> 03:54:23,985
he

8130
03:54:23,985 --> 03:54:25,985
s he

8131
03:54:26,754 --> 03:54:27,855
s retiring, um. And I

8132
03:54:27,855 --> 03:54:29,257
want to publicly thank you for

8133
03:54:29,257 --> 03:54:31,626
the work that you have done. We,

8134
03:54:31,626 --> 03:54:32,660
I know we have some

8135
03:54:32,660 --> 03:54:34,495
appreciations coming forth and

8136
03:54:34,495 --> 03:54:36,431
things like that, but I just

8137
03:54:36,431 --> 03:54:37,899
want to publicly thank you for

8138
03:54:37,899 --> 03:54:39,434
all the long hours and

8139
03:54:39,434 --> 03:54:41,269
dedication that you have put

8140
03:54:41,269 --> 03:54:41,436
into being the chief of police.

8141
03:54:41,436 --> 03:54:43,436
You

8142
03:54:45,673 --> 03:54:46,207
re here. Thank you, Mayor.

8143
03:54:46,207 --> 03:54:48,607
I know he don

8144
03:54:49,177 --> 03:54:49,711
t wear a uniform

8145
03:54:49,711 --> 03:54:50,478
no more now I

8146
03:54:50,478 --> 03:54:52,878
ll be quick. All

8147
03:54:54,382 --> 03:54:55,483
I gotta say is I wanna

8148
03:54:55,483 --> 03:54:55,817
congratulate um my daughter

8149
03:54:55,817 --> 03:54:57,385
s

8150
03:54:57,385 --> 03:54:57,485
travel ball team, um, who I

8151
03:54:57,485 --> 03:54:58,786
m

8152
03:54:58,786 --> 03:55:01,222
fortunate enough to, to be one

8153
03:55:01,222 --> 03:55:03,658
of the coaches, um, last year

8154
03:55:03,658 --> 03:55:04,993
at this time, we were we were

8155
03:55:04,993 --> 03:55:06,194
terrible, um, I think the first

8156
03:55:06,194 --> 03:55:09,194
tournament, I think we went 0

8157
03:55:10,498 --> 03:55:12,501
and 3. And, um, this tournament,

8158
03:55:12,501 --> 03:55:14,435
we went 4-0 and we won the gold

8159
03:55:14,435 --> 03:55:15,470
bracket. We brought on the

8160
03:55:15,470 --> 03:55:15,737
championship, so, uh, it

8161
03:55:15,737 --> 03:55:17,372
s

8162
03:55:17,372 --> 03:55:17,538
amazing what one year, uh,

8163
03:55:17,538 --> 03:55:18,773
we

8164
03:55:18,773 --> 03:55:19,240
ll do for a team, but I will

8165
03:55:19,240 --> 03:55:21,342
say that I think it

8166
03:55:21,342 --> 03:55:23,342
s. The, the

8167
03:55:23,578 --> 03:55:25,513
whole idea and the concept of.

8168
03:55:25,513 --> 03:55:27,150
How important it is to invest

8169
03:55:27,150 --> 03:55:28,550
time and energy into young

8170
03:55:28,550 --> 03:55:29,917
children and to get them to

8171
03:55:29,917 --> 03:55:30,318
grow, um, in multiple different

8172
03:55:30,318 --> 03:55:30,652
ways. It doesn

8173
03:55:30,652 --> 03:55:31,786
t have to be

8174
03:55:31,786 --> 03:55:32,754
through sports, it could be

8175
03:55:32,754 --> 03:55:34,189
through education, it could be

8176
03:55:34,189 --> 03:55:35,690
through anything, teaching them

8177
03:55:35,690 --> 03:55:36,157
something to get them to grow,

8178
03:55:36,157 --> 03:55:37,192
but it

8179
03:55:37,192 --> 03:55:39,270
s incredibly gratifying

8180
03:55:39,270 --> 03:55:40,280
as a an adult to be able to see

8181
03:55:40,280 --> 03:55:41,496
those girls go out there and

8182
03:55:41,496 --> 03:55:43,965
compete at a high level, and so

8183
03:55:43,965 --> 03:55:45,000
I want to say congratulates,

8184
03:55:45,000 --> 03:55:46,434
congratulations to them on

8185
03:55:46,434 --> 03:55:46,902
their hard work. We

8186
03:55:46,902 --> 03:55:48,303
ve got many

8187
03:55:48,303 --> 03:55:48,737
tournaments, but I

8188
03:55:48,737 --> 03:55:50,471
ll piggyback

8189
03:55:50,471 --> 03:55:52,640
off of what council member

8190
03:55:52,640 --> 03:55:53,308
Robinson said, I spent a lot of

8191
03:55:53,308 --> 03:55:55,900
money up in Nashville, North

8192
03:55:55,900 --> 03:55:56,144
Carolina. This last weekend, my

8193
03:55:56,144 --> 03:55:57,120
wife wanted to go out and spend

8194
03:55:57,120 --> 03:56:00,612
some money and when we went

8195
03:56:01,249 --> 03:56:02,183
shopping. She finds a boutique

8196
03:56:02,183 --> 03:56:03,685
anywhere in this world and we

8197
03:56:03,685 --> 03:56:06,187
spent a bunch of money at the

8198
03:56:06,187 --> 03:56:08,220
boutique. We spent money at

8199
03:56:08,220 --> 03:56:09,591
restaurants and it was not in

8200
03:56:09,591 --> 03:56:10,191
Greenville or Pitt County, and

8201
03:56:10,191 --> 03:56:11,493
I think that it

8202
03:56:11,493 --> 03:56:13,462
s important for

8203
03:56:13,462 --> 03:56:14,129
us to understand how much

8204
03:56:14,129 --> 03:56:15,290
commerce takes place, my next

8205
03:56:15,290 --> 03:56:15,496
tournament, I think is in

8206
03:56:15,496 --> 03:56:16,431
Kinston. I think we

8207
03:56:16,431 --> 03:56:16,798
ve got one

8208
03:56:16,798 --> 03:56:17,732
in Redo. We

8209
03:56:17,732 --> 03:56:19,868
ve got one in Rocky

8210
03:56:19,868 --> 03:56:21,300
Mount. But not here in

8211
03:56:21,300 --> 03:56:22,804
Greenville, right? And I think

8212
03:56:22,804 --> 03:56:24,740
that, uh, if you had a chance

8213
03:56:24,740 --> 03:56:27,410
to ask all the different teams

8214
03:56:27,410 --> 03:56:28,176
that were around, uh, that we

8215
03:56:28,176 --> 03:56:30,445
play against if they want to go

8216
03:56:30,445 --> 03:56:31,512
to Red Oak, no offense, Red Oak,

8217
03:56:31,512 --> 03:56:32,514
um, or Greenville, I think they

8218
03:56:32,514 --> 03:56:34,148
pick Greenville every single

8219
03:56:34,148 --> 03:56:34,417
time, so, um, I think it

8220
03:56:34,417 --> 03:56:35,784
s

8221
03:56:35,784 --> 03:56:36,840
important for us to understand

8222
03:56:36,840 --> 03:56:36,451
that there

8223
03:56:36,451 --> 03:56:37,419
s a tremendous

8224
03:56:37,419 --> 03:56:40,220
amount of commerce that goes

8225
03:56:40,220 --> 03:56:43,622
along with that, so. With that,

8226
03:56:43,758 --> 03:56:44,526
I need a motion to adjourn. Our

8227
03:56:44,526 --> 03:56:45,460
motion by Council member

8228
03:56:45,460 --> 03:56:47,162
Robinson, seconded by

8229
03:56:47,162 --> 03:56:49,562
Councillor Blackburn. All those