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>> good evening and welcome.

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this is a big crowd, wow.

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for those of

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you who have not attended a city council meeting,

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recently or ever before, just a couple

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of basic housekeeping roles. I

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ask you to check your phone right now

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. Make sure that it's not going to

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ring, okay? And

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then the second thing is there's

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only one conversation going on at

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a time. It's either going to be up

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here amongst

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councilmembers or it's going to be

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whoever has the floor up here

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with that microphone so if you feel

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the need to have a side

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conversation, that's fine. Just get

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up and exit

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into the lobby, please. That is the two

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basic rules. With that,

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this meeting is now called to order.

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there are plenty of seats that I

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still see vacant if anyone wants them.

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this meeting is called to order.

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we will be starting with the invocation

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given by councilmember jackson.

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and that will be followed by the pledge

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of allegiance, so please rise.

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>> hi, everyone.

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my invocation this evening is a quote from

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bob where who recently

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passed away.

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I think if

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people value democracy they had done well

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get out

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and exercise their right to vote while

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their

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vote still means something. [ applause ]

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america

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and to the republic

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for which it stands, one nation under god,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice for

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all.

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>> I just

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need to make mention,

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appreciate that the invocation went

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over well but also in this dais we

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do not who or clap. We zip it.

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I know a lot of people don't know

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that so I'm not trying

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to be--that's the way the rules are.

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with that in mind, rollcall

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please?

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>> on some of jackson? Here.

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council member earley?

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councilmember shaw? Vice mayor thanos?

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mayor love? City

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manager? City clerk?

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present.

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>> with that, tonight we

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have a special presentation. If any

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of you have ever donated to

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operation santa we have had one person in charge of

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this

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running the show for a very

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long time. I imagine she will tell me exactly how

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many years. I only know 22

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for sure but I think you might insist

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that it

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be more so I'm going to ask francine

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whitten to come up

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and she will receive an award.

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[ applause ]

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>> how many years?

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>> 34. [ applause ]

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34 years of making sure that kids

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in gulfport

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had christmas and that a special gift from your

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staff that said you would

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understand. From the clerk.

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>> may I talk?

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>> yes. >> it's been 34 years and it's not

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just me. I

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cannot do it without the police department,

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the fire department, and all the people

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that donated.

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gulfport, we are a good, hard group

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. A loving group, and

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next year will be 35 years. So, we've

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got to do it.

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>> thank

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you. [ applause ]

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>> all right. That's great to

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start out that way. Even though I

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said no applause I'm trying to make

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the point no applause and no booing

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, that was an exception.

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moving on then, we are proud to have

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cheryl

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from the homeless leadership alliance

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and she is going to

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give us a presentation on

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where we are at, what she's doing and how

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we can make a difference. Thank

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you for being here.

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>> thank you mayor love and

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councilmembers for allowing me to

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speak on the state of homelessness

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in pinellas county tonight. I have

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got to say that

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the energy and enthusiasm in this room is pretty amazing

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and I

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don't know that I can match it I'm going to

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try.

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I came in tonight to talk

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about the 2025 point in time count

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held annually and is

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required every two years by the housing and urban development

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, us department of

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housing and urban development.

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kathleen beckman who is our chair

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could not be with us tonight,

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so you have me, but who are we?

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>> left click.

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>> who we are, the pinellas continual care

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and homeless leadership alliance ,

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for the

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coc, is a

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countywide network throughout pinellas. It

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can be in all kinds of

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configurations, not all

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our county

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but there is one everywhere throughout

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the nation and we bring together funding,

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providers,

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community members who care, anyone

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who has a

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desire to reduce and

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end homelessness. We establish local policies

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and priorities

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that go across systems

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and that is where we focus,

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on that systems level with all that input

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our board as well so the homeless leadership

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alliance, we serve as

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the lead agency and apply

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for funding on behalf of the coc and pinellas county which

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is typically an annual process.

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this year we've had three different notices

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of funding opportunities

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since thanksgiving so it has been

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a very interesting holiday period.

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I am due for a vacation.

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but three of them so far, the first was withdrawn,

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major priority differences from

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the past. Major changes,

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I really have no comment about that

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other

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than just the timing. Pretty disruptive and quick

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withdrawn, the second was under court

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review and could not

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really be fully put out there and

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it still hanging over us and then

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have a third one recently that came through the

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january that will revert back to

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what we were expecting to begin with

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to not have to do an application so

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get on to the business of planning.

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we also as a lead agency house

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all the information across all providers

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who serve

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people who are experiencing homelessness

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it's a coordinated effort. We coordinate the

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point in time count every year which is january

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many shifts available and we also support

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too, we get them together but we support providers

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through federal and state funding

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so, the 2025

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special. We have an extensive

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and in-depth report that we create every year.

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with a consultant, a researcher and author

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is part of our continue one. Very active

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in our data performance committee

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and he helps put that together in

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conjunction with our team.

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in our reports so it is something

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that others talk about, they look at,

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and incredible information.

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it is pretty lengthy right now and we are going to work on

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that some more but it is available

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the website if you want to look at that in

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more depth. But other

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ways we go above and beyond in this

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annual snapshot, it's like a census

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homelessness in the community. Includes

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not only what is required,

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is in an emergency shelter, who is

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living on the streets on

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sheltered, but it also includes jail

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data and school data as well

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it is a very big effort and we are

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proud of it. But we

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take that information understanding

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it is a census, it's not going to be

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exact,

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like any census would not be and in fact it's actually

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an excellent way for community building, to

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get in front of somebody that

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you may not have a conversation with.

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you have a structured conversation so

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you don't have to think

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about what to say, and meet a neighbor

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and learn more about, getting past

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some stereotypes and myths

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that may be out there and connect

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individual or a few. That is something

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we are proud of. So overall findings,

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for sheltered homelessness, those

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are people who are

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in transitional housing or emergency shelter.

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they are not in a permanent housing situation.

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they are still in the crisis homelessness

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system.

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we had 1325 people back in 2025 and

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for on sheltered homeless that literally

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means living in a place not suitable for human habitation.

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538 people were surveyed

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so that is a total of 1863 people

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that the hud and

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the state of florida considered

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to be literally homeless.

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in pinellas county there were 125

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people and they follow the

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same criteria that we use for hud.

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and ellis county schools which

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is a little different

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because this is cumulative, it's also

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very telling because it is a cumulative count.

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is reported by teachers and counselors,

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people who have relationships with

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families, where people may not be hiding.

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important thing is I want to note

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that it's not the same type and doesn't cover

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the same type of criteria as hud requires. Not

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only is it

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cumulative but includes any student

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who is

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doubled up, couch surfing

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students, sorry. So we would not consider

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them literally homeless but for these purposes, definitely

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housing. There were 3623 students and

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that's 4% of the student

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body in pinellas county. And 113 were on sheltered

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sheltered and that was between august

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10 and january 27 which was the day

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of the last count. So,

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some interesting news. When we hear

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these days about what homelessness

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is, who is unhoused

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, what the reasons are, and

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the on affordability of housing across the nation,

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it's really interesting to see that

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there has been a decrease

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from last year, and again, census,

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not perfect.

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there's a 12% overall

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decrease from 2024. There was a 25% decrease of

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the number of on sheltered

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and a 5% decrease of sheltered

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but there are some caveats

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and that is that we had 122 viewer

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--fewer volunteers. We

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had two hurricanes, a lot of volunteers

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work in emergency management, for

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providers and

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for the county so they are on task during that time.

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as

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we are, as well. That was one thing.

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we also had the anti-camping bill

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that was passed so you had people

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who may not

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have been as visible

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and may not have been able to answer

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questions. We've done

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a lot of education and listening this

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last year

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for people with lived experience trying

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to get out into the community and

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people

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that are connected, to make sure people understand that

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their data

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are not being shared, they can refuse to answer any question

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and still move on,

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and to participate because it really

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does help bring

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funding into the county and into this area.

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on the positive side, those

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are the what could be, what have resulted

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in lower numbers but on the

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positive side we have been consistently

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trending down since 2016. We will

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see if that keeps up

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but we have been

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consistently trending down and a lot

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of that has to do with programs,

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better street outreach now,

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and we had significant increases in

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funding from the state

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for prevention and

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diversion which, that makes all the

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difference. Once someone is

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evicted or they've been living

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on the street for a while it takes

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a lot more

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work to get someone re-housed

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. We also had more

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rapid rehousing projects out there

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which was very

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helpful. And then finally hurricane displacement.

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ever

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since covid we've noticed there has

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been

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a drop of people like who may have left

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and we haven't

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seen them come back. So

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for various reasons that may exist. On sheltered

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by municipality.

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I'm not going to go through all of

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that

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because we only care about gulfport tonight

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but nearby

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areas you can see everyplace has gone

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down except for clearwater

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has ticked up a bit.

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2018

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four individuals, did not have account

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in 2021 and the last two years

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0 have been counted.

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some of that has to do with where we

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have

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deployments and volunteers and all

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of that but also note that there

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are some good street

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outreach efforts and good work with

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providers that

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have resulted in good change.

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but that just shows you from 2018 - 2025.

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so who is affected?

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we've definitely

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seen an increase in older adults. At 62+,

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and in

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fact we have targeted

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62 - 65 to really track that because

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it is at

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that age right before social security

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may or may not hit

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, when people are beginning to show

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up more in these

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shelters or on the streets.

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we had an increase

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in sheltered and on sheltered veterans. However we are

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almost at functional

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0 when it comes to people coming in

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versus going out. This year

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there is a surge event with

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the veterans administration and other

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providers and partners

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on the same day

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so if someone is being surveyed at

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that

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time and they are a veteran immediately they

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are going over, they are going to be

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given like rapid housing, very quickly.

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there were 189 survivors of domestic violence

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, black and african

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american individuals make up 38%

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of the homeless population in pinellas

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county but only 11%

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of the population. 76%

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were sheltered families. Some of that could

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be because of where our targeted outreach is.

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it

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happens to match up with where we

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see other disparities ,

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and that correlate with race. 41%

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of homeless students reported by

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pinellas county schools are

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black or african american, that large number I

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gave earlier.

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and then 494 people experiencing chronic

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homelessness, that means

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being literally homeless for at least

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a

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year or having multiple episodes that

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equal out to be 12 months.

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but also most of the homeless

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, unhoused neighbors that we encounter

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are males and all of this checks

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out with data that we collect throughout

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the year and not just in the census.

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76% were on sheltered and 62% were sheltered.

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we think about

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primary classes.

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it's drugs, it's alcohol,

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it's mental illness.

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chicken and egg in some ways

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, but there are people with

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substance use issues who are housed,

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many, actually.

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the primary causes, and it's not that

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those don't play

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a part but the primary causes are

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financial and job loss, number one

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at

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40%. Number two, medical issues and that

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does not include mental health, it

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has to do with you can't work because of a medical

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issue or because of

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debt. Family issues, 14%

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and 10% because

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of eviction or foreclosure. Those

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with the primaries 1 1/5 one would have been

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natural

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disasters from the hurricanes. It's

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just interesting that what we think

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or what we hear doesn't always play

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out in the data.

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so some housing market pressures

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, there are fewer than 26 affordable

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housing units per 100 extremely low income renters.

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that

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in our area

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is incredible. We just don't have

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enough housing

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stock and especially not for the group

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of lower income folks that we

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have. 46% of households in pinellas county live below,

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if you've heard of alice, the

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asset limited income constrained and employed.

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the alice report. Suncoast of united way put it out

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along with another group and what's interesting is

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suncoast and all the

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counties that it covers, pinellas county

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is the most income constrained

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and the highest cost for a family of

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4 to live to make it

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with their budget, no savings, no

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vacation, just to make it. A family

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of four with a baby

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and a toddler is $108,000 a year so

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when

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we are looking at an actual survival budget, we

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are not looking at people who--

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these are nurses, these are teachers,

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retail workers. Think

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about where our jobs are

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and where the economy is at. Where

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the

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workers are, and there's not housing

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for the workers.

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that's one reason why

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as a continuum we've been very

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intentional reaching out to chambers

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of commerce, to business leaders and

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we finally have made some movement there

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very recently because it

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really is going to take more than just

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the crisis

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homeless system to solve this. It's

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a full community effort.

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and then we also know

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that rising rent place working

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households at increased risk of housing instability.

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what is working?

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strong street outreach

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. We have street outreach workers

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who have behavioral health backgrounds

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with behavioral health providers ,

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who also

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partner with law enforcement. We have

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a very

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good relationship with law enforcement

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is especially with the county

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and we have

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more case managers at safe harbor which

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is a jail diversion shelter

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and we are just still

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trying to figure out,

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are you jail diversion or

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emergency shelter? But it serves as the

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lowest barrier shelter that is available right now

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and there

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are more case managers and supports

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being provided there are.

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through a contract with the county

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we were supplying one diversion specialist

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and then the strong coordination across providers and funders

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and something we've

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experienced lately, local governments getting

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together as well as funders

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and people with lived experience.

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when I talked about those

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opportunities that came out we had

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to have many emergency meetings over the holidays

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to

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really iron out some details and backfill

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some funds that may go missing and

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put some people with disabilities

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unhoused, really. Chronic disabilities.

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00:29:00,174 --> 00:29:04,178
those are areas that are working and

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that will continue to work

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or at least reduce harm if there are major changes

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that come along the way.

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I talked about this a little bit earlier but I'm going to recap

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it, hud

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is the priorities and funding policies,

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they may drastically change and we

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00:29:28,168 --> 00:29:29,169
did get wind of it and started to

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00:29:29,169 --> 00:29:30,170
do

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some planning around that but we didn't

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00:29:31,171 --> 00:29:32,172
know exactly what we were looking

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at until

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00:29:33,173 --> 00:29:36,173
the funding opportunity dropped november 13.

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it was a

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lot more restrictive than what we

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thought. So

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70% of our portfolio

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00:29:49,156 --> 00:29:51,158
goes into programs for survivors of domestic

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00:29:51,158 --> 00:29:52,159
violence or it goes into permanent supportive housing

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00:29:52,159 --> 00:29:54,159
or rapid rehousing.

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00:29:54,161 --> 00:29:55,162
those were considered permanent housing

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00:29:55,162 --> 00:29:57,562
options and limited to 30%.

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they cover 76% of our portfolio

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00:30:04,171 --> 00:30:06,171
. So we've

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00:30:06,173 --> 00:30:12,173
had to quickly switch and figure out ways to backfill

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and now there is stronger emphasis

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on public safety, coordination with

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law

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00:30:15,182 --> 00:30:18,782
enforcement, transitional housing or shorter-term crisis

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support, required supports and services

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and rejection of harm

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reduction strategies

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00:30:25,158 --> 00:30:27,558
and housing first principles

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which we have found, work. So some

578
00:30:31,164 --> 00:30:34,164
things to take note of.

579
00:30:34,168 --> 00:30:36,170
we will see. Things change. All the

580
00:30:36,170 --> 00:30:37,171
time now we are living in a period

581
00:30:37,171 --> 00:30:39,571
of rapid change and

582
00:30:40,174 --> 00:30:42,174
disruption so opportunities

583
00:30:47,181 --> 00:30:48,182
, my last slide.

584
00:30:48,182 --> 00:30:49,183
opportunities for partnership and

585
00:30:49,183 --> 00:30:52,183
representation. We have two board

586
00:30:53,153 --> 00:30:55,153
seats

587
00:30:55,155 --> 00:30:59,159
reserved for those who don't have funding

588
00:30:59,159 --> 00:31:00,160
coming correct

589
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,960
-- directive from hud. We have two seats

590
00:31:05,165 --> 00:31:07,165
and would love

591
00:31:10,170 --> 00:31:11,171
for gulfport, if they are appointed,

592
00:31:11,171 --> 00:31:12,172
and we

593
00:31:12,172 --> 00:31:13,173
just have a vote of confidence. If

594
00:31:13,173 --> 00:31:14,174
anyone would like to represent gulfport

595
00:31:14,174 --> 00:31:15,175
from

596
00:31:15,175 --> 00:31:17,177
this body that would be amazing and

597
00:31:17,177 --> 00:31:18,178
we would love to welcome you and we

598
00:31:18,178 --> 00:31:20,180
need your voice. And it's a way to

599
00:31:20,180 --> 00:31:22,182
have a voice along with

600
00:31:22,182 --> 00:31:25,782
the other players making those policies.

601
00:31:28,155 --> 00:31:29,156
>> are you only looking for elected

602
00:31:29,156 --> 00:31:30,157
officials

603
00:31:30,157 --> 00:31:32,159
to be on your board? Because we've

604
00:31:32,159 --> 00:31:33,160
got a whole room full

605
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,161
of peers.

606
00:31:34,161 --> 00:31:37,161
>> everyone can become a member.

607
00:31:37,164 --> 00:31:40,167
>> so be sure to be clear when you say

608
00:31:40,167 --> 00:31:41,168
your phone number, how they reach

609
00:31:41,168 --> 00:31:42,169
out to you?

610
00:31:42,169 --> 00:31:44,169
>>

611
00:31:47,174 --> 00:31:49,174
so

612
00:31:50,177 --> 00:31:52,177
pinellascoc.org\join.

613
00:31:58,151 --> 00:31:59,152
we have sliding scales for individual

614
00:31:59,152 --> 00:32:00,153
memberships but if someone has lived

615
00:32:00,153 --> 00:32:02,155
experience it goes down to 0. For

616
00:32:02,155 --> 00:32:03,156
this particular board seat it is for

617
00:32:03,156 --> 00:32:05,158
elected officials so it's a little

618
00:32:05,158 --> 00:32:06,159
bit different but it does

619
00:32:06,159 --> 00:32:09,759
cover the entire municipality, as well.

620
00:32:12,165 --> 00:32:14,168
that's odd that there are no questions

621
00:32:14,168 --> 00:32:15,169
and if

622
00:32:15,169 --> 00:32:17,171
there's any questions we welcome them.

623
00:32:17,171 --> 00:32:19,173
>> we appreciate you coming out

624
00:32:19,173 --> 00:32:20,174
and explaining it to us and I am serious when

625
00:32:20,174 --> 00:32:22,174
I

626
00:32:22,176 --> 00:32:23,177
say we do have a room full of potential volunteers even if they

627
00:32:23,177 --> 00:32:25,177
can't

628
00:32:26,180 --> 00:32:27,181
sit on the board, want to

629
00:32:27,181 --> 00:32:32,152
make sure that they can reach out to you.

630
00:32:32,152 --> 00:32:35,152
>> how do you count people

631
00:32:35,155 --> 00:32:36,156
living in their cars?

632
00:32:36,156 --> 00:32:38,158
>> they are on sheltered.

633
00:32:38,158 --> 00:32:40,158
literally homeless.

634
00:32:41,161 --> 00:32:43,161
>>

635
00:32:44,164 --> 00:32:47,164
I volunteer for the food

636
00:32:47,167 --> 00:32:49,169
reach program for kids, I don't

637
00:32:49,169 --> 00:32:53,173
know if you've heard for it but I deliver

638
00:32:53,173 --> 00:32:54,174
to a lot of the same people. A lot

639
00:32:54,174 --> 00:32:56,176
of people tell me they recently quit

640
00:32:56,176 --> 00:32:57,177
their job because the level

641
00:32:57,177 --> 00:32:59,179
of help that they can receive based

642
00:32:59,179 --> 00:33:02,182
on what they make just cancels

643
00:33:02,182 --> 00:33:03,150
it right out so they could be home

644
00:33:03,150 --> 00:33:04,151
with

645
00:33:04,151 --> 00:33:05,152
their kids instead of sending them

646
00:33:05,152 --> 00:33:08,155
to daycare. Is the threshold of your paycheck

647
00:33:08,155 --> 00:33:10,555
too high to account

648
00:33:11,158 --> 00:33:14,158
for any help such as

649
00:33:14,161 --> 00:33:15,162
vouchers?

650
00:33:15,162 --> 00:33:17,162
>>

651
00:33:17,164 --> 00:33:19,164
so,

652
00:33:19,166 --> 00:33:20,167
there are various programs because

653
00:33:20,167 --> 00:33:22,169
it's government, they all come

654
00:33:22,169 --> 00:33:25,769
out with different levels, but typically 80%

655
00:33:26,173 --> 00:33:32,173
of the area median income is where it tops out.

656
00:33:32,179 --> 00:33:34,181
if you look at the alice report

657
00:33:34,181 --> 00:33:38,151
it looks like it needs to be a little bit

658
00:33:38,151 --> 00:33:39,152
higher.

659
00:33:39,152 --> 00:33:40,153
>> thank you. >> thank

660
00:33:40,153 --> 00:33:45,553
you so much, cheryl. My email address is up

661
00:33:46,159 --> 00:33:47,160
there as well.

662
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,161
>> thank you. >> if

663
00:33:48,161 --> 00:33:49,162
you have an

664
00:33:49,162 --> 00:33:50,163
open seat next to you these raise

665
00:33:50,163 --> 00:33:52,165
your hand because we still have people

666
00:33:52,165 --> 00:33:53,166
standing in the back. Very good. All

667
00:33:53,166 --> 00:33:55,166
right, our

668
00:33:56,170 --> 00:33:57,171
next presentation will be chief mary

669
00:33:57,171 --> 00:33:59,171
farrand

670
00:33:59,173 --> 00:34:01,173
on bicycle safety.

671
00:34:05,179 --> 00:34:07,179
>> good evening.

672
00:34:08,182 --> 00:34:10,182
>> good evening.

673
00:34:13,153 --> 00:34:14,154
>> so, we actually put together a

674
00:34:14,154 --> 00:34:16,554
video for bike safety.

675
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,161
justin

676
00:34:21,161 --> 00:34:23,163
did most of the heavy lifting. Forgive

677
00:34:23,163 --> 00:34:26,163
me, I'm just recovering from

678
00:34:26,166 --> 00:34:31,566
a cold. And donovan, I think he is here,

679
00:34:32,172 --> 00:34:33,173
he did a lot of the heavy lifting for

680
00:34:33,173 --> 00:34:35,175
this video. So without further

681
00:34:35,175 --> 00:34:36,176
ado .

682
00:34:36,176 --> 00:34:37,177
>>

683
00:34:37,177 --> 00:34:38,178
hello, my name is mary farrand. I

684
00:34:38,178 --> 00:34:39,179
am the police chief with

685
00:34:39,179 --> 00:34:41,181
the city of gulfport police department.

686
00:34:41,181 --> 00:34:43,150
whether you ride for

687
00:34:43,150 --> 00:34:44,151
fun, fitness or transportation your

688
00:34:44,151 --> 00:34:46,153
safety is our top

689
00:34:46,153 --> 00:34:50,353
priority. E bike riders have the same

690
00:34:51,158 --> 00:34:53,160
rights and responsibilities as bicycle

691
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,161
riders. So ride smart and

692
00:34:54,161 --> 00:34:56,163
stay alert. Make yourself visible. Wear

693
00:34:56,163 --> 00:34:59,163
a helmet use front and

694
00:34:59,166 --> 00:35:01,166
rear lights.

695
00:35:04,171 --> 00:35:05,172
where light-colored and reflective

696
00:35:05,172 --> 00:35:06,173
clothing especially at dawn, dusk, or

697
00:35:06,173 --> 00:35:08,173
night.

698
00:35:08,175 --> 00:35:10,177
never assume that drivers see

699
00:35:10,177 --> 00:35:11,178
you. Wait until all lanes have stopped before crossing.

700
00:35:11,178 --> 00:35:13,178
look

701
00:35:13,180 --> 00:35:18,580
twice, then look again. Drivers are required to stop

702
00:35:19,152 --> 00:35:20,153
but not everyone is paying attention. Follow

703
00:35:20,153 --> 00:35:22,155
the rules of the road. Stop

704
00:35:22,155 --> 00:35:23,156
at stop signs, ride with traffic,

705
00:35:23,156 --> 00:35:26,159
obey speed limits, and remember. Motorized

706
00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:28,161
vehicles including e bikes

707
00:35:28,161 --> 00:35:31,761
are not allowed inside city parks.

708
00:35:32,165 --> 00:35:34,565
bike smart, ride safe.

709
00:35:35,169 --> 00:35:37,569
safety starts with you.

710
00:35:38,172 --> 00:35:40,172
>>

711
00:35:41,175 --> 00:35:43,175
very nice.

712
00:35:44,178 --> 00:35:48,978
>> any questions? >> we will go in speaking order.

713
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:51,151
>> I have no questions, thank you.

714
00:35:51,151 --> 00:35:52,152
>> I don't,

715
00:35:52,152 --> 00:35:53,153
either.

716
00:35:53,153 --> 00:35:54,154
>> so what's the illegal thing

717
00:35:54,154 --> 00:35:56,156
about riding on the sidewalk?

718
00:35:56,156 --> 00:35:58,156
>> on the

719
00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:01,161
sidewalk you have to

720
00:36:01,161 --> 00:36:02,162
act as though you are a pedestrian

721
00:36:02,162 --> 00:36:04,162
.

722
00:36:05,165 --> 00:36:07,165
>>

723
00:36:08,168 --> 00:36:10,168
okay.

724
00:36:14,174 --> 00:36:15,175
>> what do you

725
00:36:15,175 --> 00:36:16,176
mean act as if you are a pedestrian?

726
00:36:16,176 --> 00:36:17,177
you mean follow the same rules?

727
00:36:17,177 --> 00:36:18,178
>> yes.

728
00:36:18,178 --> 00:36:20,178
>> so like

729
00:36:20,180 --> 00:36:22,182
, pedestrians don't have to stop at

730
00:36:22,182 --> 00:36:23,150
a stop sign. But they have to look both ways.

731
00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:25,150
>>

732
00:36:25,152 --> 00:36:26,153
there aren't very many stop signs

733
00:36:26,153 --> 00:36:27,154
on sidewalks.

734
00:36:27,154 --> 00:36:28,155
>> well

735
00:36:28,155 --> 00:36:32,159
I can see them from the sidewalk.

736
00:36:32,159 --> 00:36:33,160
got to be in

737
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,161
the car, okay.

738
00:36:34,161 --> 00:36:35,162
>> I think the general

739
00:36:35,162 --> 00:36:40,167
rule of thumb in my mind as a bicyclist

740
00:36:40,167 --> 00:36:44,171
is that ultimately your safety is your responsibility.

741
00:36:44,171 --> 00:36:46,173
you can have an expectation that cars are

742
00:36:46,173 --> 00:36:48,175
going to stop but unless they see you

743
00:36:48,175 --> 00:36:49,176
,

744
00:36:49,176 --> 00:36:51,178
and just because you can see them, doesn't mean

745
00:36:51,178 --> 00:36:53,180
they can see you

746
00:36:53,180 --> 00:36:56,180
, I think ultimately your responsibility

747
00:36:57,150 --> 00:37:00,150
is to keep yourself safe.

748
00:37:00,153 --> 00:37:02,153
>> anything else?

749
00:37:03,156 --> 00:37:06,756
>> I'd like to say thank you

750
00:37:08,161 --> 00:37:09,162
to all who participated in that and what you

751
00:37:09,162 --> 00:37:10,163
just said was good, too.

752
00:37:10,163 --> 00:37:12,163
>> the fire

753
00:37:12,165 --> 00:37:15,165
chief also took a role.

754
00:37:15,169 --> 00:37:16,170
I said donovan.

755
00:37:16,170 --> 00:37:18,170
>>

756
00:37:18,172 --> 00:37:21,175
thank you to all of you

757
00:37:21,175 --> 00:37:24,175
. Personal experience that I had

758
00:37:24,178 --> 00:37:25,179
, I was turning

759
00:37:25,179 --> 00:37:27,181
onto gulf boulevard from 49th street

760
00:37:27,181 --> 00:37:29,581
and it was nighttime

761
00:37:32,152 --> 00:37:33,153
and there is a bite coming and I didn't

762
00:37:33,153 --> 00:37:35,153
see

763
00:37:36,156 --> 00:37:38,556
it. Everything was stark

764
00:37:39,159 --> 00:37:41,159
-- was dark

765
00:37:42,162 --> 00:37:45,165
and I thought I was going

766
00:37:45,165 --> 00:37:46,166
to have a heart attack.

767
00:37:46,166 --> 00:37:48,166
>>

768
00:37:48,168 --> 00:37:51,171
if I heard you write you said that e bikes

769
00:37:51,171 --> 00:37:53,173
are not allowed in parks. In our parks?

770
00:37:53,173 --> 00:37:56,773
>> that's where we are at tonight.

771
00:37:57,177 --> 00:37:59,577
>> we are getting there.

772
00:38:02,182 --> 00:38:03,150
I may have put the cart before the horse.

773
00:38:03,150 --> 00:38:05,150
>>

774
00:38:05,152 --> 00:38:06,153
when you said they are not allowed

775
00:38:06,153 --> 00:38:08,153
on sidewalks, are

776
00:38:08,155 --> 00:38:09,156
there any speed limit limitations

777
00:38:09,156 --> 00:38:11,156
when

778
00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:14,161
they are on sidewalks?

779
00:38:14,161 --> 00:38:18,165
>> I didn't actually say they are allowed on sidewalks.

780
00:38:18,165 --> 00:38:22,365
>> okay, sorry. >> they are allowed on sidewalks

781
00:38:27,174 --> 00:38:29,574
but I believe the

782
00:38:30,177 --> 00:38:33,177
language is safe and prudent.

783
00:38:39,152 --> 00:38:41,152
you

784
00:38:41,154 --> 00:38:47,754
have a duty to be mindful of pedestrians on the sidewalk.

785
00:38:48,161 --> 00:38:50,161
you don't own

786
00:38:51,164 --> 00:38:52,165
the

787
00:38:52,165 --> 00:38:54,168
sidewalk, I guess because you are

788
00:38:54,168 --> 00:38:56,568
faster than the pedestrians.

789
00:38:57,171 --> 00:38:59,571
wheels yield to heels .

790
00:39:00,174 --> 00:39:04,374
>> that's a good one. That was not

791
00:39:06,180 --> 00:39:07,181
created by me. That name wolfgang,

792
00:39:07,181 --> 00:39:09,581
he taught me that.

793
00:39:15,155 --> 00:39:17,155
>>

794
00:39:17,157 --> 00:39:18,158
they are allowed on the sidewalk .

795
00:39:18,158 --> 00:39:19,159
>> and

796
00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:23,359
they are totally allowed in the street.

797
00:39:26,166 --> 00:39:27,167
>> totally allowed in the street?

798
00:39:27,167 --> 00:39:29,167
>> I'm saying that

799
00:39:30,170 --> 00:39:32,172
in terms of as a bike rider

800
00:39:32,172 --> 00:39:33,173
when I am on the sidewalk people tell

801
00:39:33,173 --> 00:39:35,173
me to

802
00:39:35,175 --> 00:39:36,176
get off the sidewalk and if I'm in the street people

803
00:39:36,176 --> 00:39:37,177
tell me to get out

804
00:39:37,177 --> 00:39:39,179
of the street. My understanding and

805
00:39:39,179 --> 00:39:41,181
I am asking you , is

806
00:39:41,181 --> 00:39:42,182
that a bicycle, and I am not talking

807
00:39:42,182 --> 00:39:44,151
and e bike but

808
00:39:44,151 --> 00:39:45,152
a bicycles a lot on the sidewalk and

809
00:39:45,152 --> 00:39:47,552
in the street both.

810
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,161
they must follow the rules of a pedestrian on

811
00:39:54,161 --> 00:39:55,162
the sidewalk and a vehicle in

812
00:39:55,162 --> 00:39:56,163
the street.

813
00:39:56,163 --> 00:39:57,164
>> yes ma'am, that's correct.

814
00:39:57,164 --> 00:39:59,164
I'm

815
00:40:00,167 --> 00:40:02,567
sorry that that happened.

816
00:40:03,170 --> 00:40:05,570
>> what about the motorized

817
00:40:06,173 --> 00:40:09,173
skateboard things and all the

818
00:40:09,176 --> 00:40:12,176
things that kids are on.

819
00:40:12,179 --> 00:40:14,179
or bold adults.

820
00:40:16,183 --> 00:40:18,151
>> I think they call those hover boards

821
00:40:18,151 --> 00:40:20,153
and those are still legal. I

822
00:40:20,153 --> 00:40:21,154
would not say those are legal on the street

823
00:40:21,154 --> 00:40:23,154
but

824
00:40:24,157 --> 00:40:25,158
people have definitely used them on the

825
00:40:25,158 --> 00:40:26,159
street

826
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:31,559
but they are not illegal on the sidewalk, either.

827
00:40:33,166 --> 00:40:35,566
>> and two police right

828
00:40:38,172 --> 00:40:39,173
tickets to bicycle. For not adhering

829
00:40:39,173 --> 00:40:41,175
to traffic rules when they

830
00:40:41,175 --> 00:40:42,176
are on the street?

831
00:40:42,176 --> 00:40:44,176
>> yes, we do.

832
00:40:45,179 --> 00:40:47,179
>>

833
00:40:48,182 --> 00:40:50,582
thank you so much.

834
00:40:51,151 --> 00:40:53,153
with that we are going to move

835
00:40:53,153 --> 00:40:54,154
along to public comment. Let me be

836
00:40:54,154 --> 00:40:56,554
really clear. Because I

837
00:40:57,157 --> 00:41:00,160
see a lot of faces that have

838
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,560
not been here before.

839
00:41:03,163 --> 00:41:04,164
when you come up to speak it's

840
00:41:04,164 --> 00:41:06,166
about, you can speak about absolutely anything

841
00:41:06,166 --> 00:41:09,169
that is not on the agenda. Okay? You have

842
00:41:09,169 --> 00:41:11,569
three minutes to speak.

843
00:41:12,172 --> 00:41:14,172
you must

844
00:41:15,175 --> 00:41:17,177
use to coram and

845
00:41:17,177 --> 00:41:19,179
besides that you can pretty much say what you want.

846
00:41:19,179 --> 00:41:21,181
if you have not done this before you

847
00:41:21,181 --> 00:41:23,150
may not know it is not

848
00:41:23,150 --> 00:41:24,151
a conversation. You come up and you

849
00:41:24,151 --> 00:41:26,551
are speaking to the

850
00:41:27,154 --> 00:41:30,157
board as if we are one but we don't respond to it

851
00:41:30,157 --> 00:41:32,157
at that point.

852
00:41:35,162 --> 00:41:36,163
when we get to do our council comments,

853
00:41:36,163 --> 00:41:37,164
if we choose to

854
00:41:37,164 --> 00:41:39,166
respond at that time, we will, but

855
00:41:39,166 --> 00:41:42,169
we don't do it while you

856
00:41:42,169 --> 00:41:44,569
are standing up here.

857
00:41:47,174 --> 00:41:48,175
and because council comments take a

858
00:41:48,175 --> 00:41:50,177
long time which is okay, I want

859
00:41:50,177 --> 00:41:51,178
everyone who wants to be heard to be heard,

860
00:41:51,178 --> 00:41:53,180
but please if you

861
00:41:53,180 --> 00:41:54,181
are in the back of the room and you

862
00:41:54,181 --> 00:41:55,182
know that I'm going to call on you

863
00:41:55,182 --> 00:41:56,183
next,

864
00:41:56,183 --> 00:41:57,150
start getting toward the front so

865
00:41:57,150 --> 00:41:59,152
that we don't lose a lot of minutes.

866
00:41:59,152 --> 00:42:00,153
people say council meetings go long

867
00:42:00,153 --> 00:42:02,155
but have you ever noticed that sometimes

868
00:42:02,155 --> 00:42:06,159
public comment can go over an hour?

869
00:42:06,159 --> 00:42:12,159
so don't be shy. Raise your hand. Yes, right here.

870
00:42:13,166 --> 00:42:14,168
and

871
00:42:14,168 --> 00:42:16,170
when you come up you need to give your name

872
00:42:16,170 --> 00:42:18,170
or address.

873
00:42:19,173 --> 00:42:21,173
>>

874
00:42:25,179 --> 00:42:27,179
6060 shore boulevard south

875
00:42:28,182 --> 00:42:30,150
. Good evening,

876
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:34,154
mayor, city council members and fellow residents. I

877
00:42:34,154 --> 00:42:36,554
am here tonight because

878
00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:40,160
I care deeply about the city, transparency in

879
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,161
local government and about

880
00:42:41,161 --> 00:42:43,163
the kind of community that gulfport

881
00:42:43,163 --> 00:42:46,166
chooses to be. I want to begin by

882
00:42:46,166 --> 00:42:47,167
saying this clearly. Gulfport

883
00:42:47,167 --> 00:42:51,367
has a stellar police department. Officers are

884
00:42:52,172 --> 00:42:54,172
professional, responsive,

885
00:42:56,176 --> 00:42:58,178
and deeply connected to this community

886
00:42:58,178 --> 00:43:00,180
and the work they do each

887
00:43:00,180 --> 00:43:01,181
day is appreciate it. Nothing I say

888
00:43:01,181 --> 00:43:02,182
tonight is

889
00:43:02,182 --> 00:43:04,151
a criticism of our officers. Recently

890
00:43:04,151 --> 00:43:05,152
I became aware of

891
00:43:05,152 --> 00:43:06,153
gulfport's relationship with ice and

892
00:43:06,153 --> 00:43:09,753
wanted to better understand what that

893
00:43:10,157 --> 00:43:13,157
meant. In doing so I

894
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,560
learned about this statute

895
00:43:16,163 --> 00:43:17,164
and under that statute

896
00:43:17,164 --> 00:43:19,166
local law enforcement agencies must cooperate

897
00:43:19,166 --> 00:43:21,566
with certain federal immigration

898
00:43:22,169 --> 00:43:24,169
requests. Gulfport pd

899
00:43:25,172 --> 00:43:26,173
is required to comply.

900
00:43:26,173 --> 00:43:28,175
however the statute is not the same as a

901
00:43:28,175 --> 00:43:30,175
280 7g agreement.

902
00:43:36,183 --> 00:43:37,150
that is a voluntary agreement between

903
00:43:37,150 --> 00:43:38,151
a local government

904
00:43:38,151 --> 00:43:39,152
and the federal government that allows

905
00:43:39,152 --> 00:43:41,154
local officers to take on certain emigration

906
00:43:41,154 --> 00:43:44,157
enforcement roles on behalf of ice.

907
00:43:44,157 --> 00:43:48,357
cities are not required to sign these.

908
00:43:49,162 --> 00:43:50,163
it's a choice. Yet on february 27

909
00:43:50,163 --> 00:43:54,168
of last year, an agreement was signed

910
00:43:54,168 --> 00:43:55,169
on behalf of the city of gulfport

911
00:43:55,169 --> 00:43:57,171
without being brought before

912
00:43:57,171 --> 00:44:00,174
city council, without a public vote

913
00:44:00,174 --> 00:44:02,574
and without notifying residents .

914
00:44:03,177 --> 00:44:07,181
there was no opportunity for public comment.

915
00:44:07,181 --> 00:44:09,581
I believe this is

916
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:12,150
the kind of

917
00:44:13,153 --> 00:44:14,154
and that should have come before

918
00:44:14,154 --> 00:44:16,156
city council. It's controversial, ethics taxes

919
00:44:16,156 --> 00:44:17,157
and affects

920
00:44:17,157 --> 00:44:21,957
how safe people feel interacted with local police.

921
00:44:24,164 --> 00:44:25,165
our taxes paid for the time for those

922
00:44:25,165 --> 00:44:27,165
officers. I

923
00:44:28,168 --> 00:44:30,568
understand some cities signed--

924
00:44:31,171 --> 00:44:32,172
chose

925
00:44:32,172 --> 00:44:34,174
not to sign 287g agreements at all

926
00:44:34,174 --> 00:44:35,175
and others are withdrawing.

927
00:44:35,175 --> 00:44:37,177
our questions are straightforward.

928
00:44:37,177 --> 00:44:39,179
why was this agreement sign without

929
00:44:39,179 --> 00:44:42,182
a city council vote or public input? Who authorized

930
00:44:42,182 --> 00:44:43,183
that decision and what options if

931
00:44:43,183 --> 00:44:45,183
any

932
00:44:46,153 --> 00:44:48,553
exist for council to

933
00:44:49,156 --> 00:44:51,158
review or consider the agreement

934
00:44:51,158 --> 00:44:52,159
now. I believe this issue must be brought

935
00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:53,160
before city council for

936
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,162
open discussion. If the agreement

937
00:44:55,162 --> 00:44:56,163
is not legally valid without a

938
00:44:56,163 --> 00:45:00,363
formal vote, that should be addressed immediately.

939
00:45:01,168 --> 00:45:02,169
if

940
00:45:02,169 --> 00:45:03,170
it is valid residents deserve to hear

941
00:45:03,170 --> 00:45:04,171
council openly weighing pros and cons

942
00:45:04,171 --> 00:45:06,171
including whether withdrawal

943
00:45:06,173 --> 00:45:07,174
is advisable or even possible. Gulfport

944
00:45:07,174 --> 00:45:09,176
has always been a

945
00:45:09,176 --> 00:45:10,177
peaceful and welcoming city. It's a city

946
00:45:10,177 --> 00:45:11,178
where

947
00:45:11,178 --> 00:45:13,180
people should feel safe calling the

948
00:45:13,180 --> 00:45:16,183
police and confident in local government.

949
00:45:16,183 --> 00:45:19,152
transparency matters, public input matters

950
00:45:19,152 --> 00:45:20,153
and on an inch shoot

951
00:45:20,153 --> 00:45:22,155
--an issue like this democracy matters.

952
00:45:22,155 --> 00:45:25,158
we are the people-- thank you.

953
00:45:25,158 --> 00:45:27,158
>> absolutely no applause.

954
00:45:31,164 --> 00:45:33,166
that's the way it is,

955
00:45:33,166 --> 00:45:34,168
it's been run this way since the day

956
00:45:34,168 --> 00:45:37,171
this council came in which of

957
00:45:37,171 --> 00:45:42,571
course was not in session february of last year.

958
00:45:43,177 --> 00:45:46,180
>> my name is karen, 6020 shore boulevard

959
00:45:46,180 --> 00:45:48,182
in gulfport. I'm a

960
00:45:48,182 --> 00:45:49,183
proud resident and a voter in the state of florida.

961
00:45:49,183 --> 00:45:51,151
I

962
00:45:51,151 --> 00:45:52,152
do not support the disruption of innocent

963
00:45:52,152 --> 00:45:54,152
lives of

964
00:45:54,154 --> 00:45:55,155
our families, our cherished immunity

965
00:45:55,155 --> 00:45:58,755
members and citizens of the us

966
00:46:04,164 --> 00:46:05,165
or those who have come to this

967
00:46:05,165 --> 00:46:07,167
country seeking safety and freedom.

968
00:46:07,167 --> 00:46:08,168
I do not support the violence perpetrated

969
00:46:08,168 --> 00:46:09,169
by ice

970
00:46:09,169 --> 00:46:10,170
agents who have repeatedly shown disregard

971
00:46:10,170 --> 00:46:11,171
for civil rights and the laws of this

972
00:46:11,171 --> 00:46:12,172
country.

973
00:46:12,172 --> 00:46:13,173
they have shown themselves to be untrained, highly

974
00:46:13,173 --> 00:46:15,175
discriminatory and have undermined

975
00:46:15,175 --> 00:46:19,179
the principles that make us a functional democracy where equitable

976
00:46:19,179 --> 00:46:25,152
human rights and justice are the tenets of our constitution.

977
00:46:25,152 --> 00:46:26,153
what is to be considered is a memorandum of

978
00:46:26,153 --> 00:46:27,154
agreement between the gulfport

979
00:46:27,154 --> 00:46:28,155
police department and ice, one that suggests

980
00:46:28,155 --> 00:46:31,755
compliance with the actions of ice

981
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,161
as described above. The question,

982
00:46:34,161 --> 00:46:36,163
is this a reasonable thing to ask

983
00:46:36,163 --> 00:46:37,164
of our local police department and is

984
00:46:37,164 --> 00:46:38,165
this what we as a peace loving

985
00:46:38,165 --> 00:46:40,167
community that embraces diversity and equity,

986
00:46:40,167 --> 00:46:42,167
what we

987
00:46:43,170 --> 00:46:45,570
want to stand for?

988
00:46:48,175 --> 00:46:49,176
my experience with the police department has always

989
00:46:49,176 --> 00:46:51,178
been positive. Respectful, helpful,

990
00:46:51,178 --> 00:46:52,179
their work is acknowledged and appreciated

991
00:46:52,179 --> 00:46:54,181
but to set them up as the

992
00:46:54,181 --> 00:47:00,181
first line in the performance of specified immigration officer functions

993
00:47:04,157 --> 00:47:05,158
by filtering individuals with whom they

994
00:47:05,158 --> 00:47:06,159
have

995
00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:07,160
contact into a system that is unjust,

996
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,162
highly unregulated, it is unfair and

997
00:47:09,162 --> 00:47:10,163
unreasonable to do that. At this point

998
00:47:10,163 --> 00:47:11,164
we can discuss the challenging path

999
00:47:11,164 --> 00:47:12,165
to citizenship

1000
00:47:12,165 --> 00:47:17,171
that faces immigrants in this country and we can

1001
00:47:17,171 --> 00:47:19,171
cite specific examples

1002
00:47:20,174 --> 00:47:21,175
of

1003
00:47:21,175 --> 00:47:23,177
those legally on that path being interrupted

1004
00:47:23,177 --> 00:47:25,179
by detainment and deportation.

1005
00:47:25,179 --> 00:47:26,180
we could speak of residents providing

1006
00:47:26,180 --> 00:47:29,180
valuable services to communities, people

1007
00:47:29,183 --> 00:47:32,783
who enrich our lives daily and

1008
00:47:37,157 --> 00:47:38,158
deserve the respect that we expect

1009
00:47:38,158 --> 00:47:39,159
others

1010
00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:40,160
to offer us. I can offer examples of

1011
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:41,161
lives rudely interrupted by ice and

1012
00:47:41,161 --> 00:47:43,163
violently interrupted under the guise

1013
00:47:43,163 --> 00:47:44,164
of community safety. What this amounts

1014
00:47:44,164 --> 00:47:45,165
to is a miscarriage of

1015
00:47:45,165 --> 00:47:47,167
justice. Actually a lack of the justice we

1016
00:47:47,167 --> 00:47:49,567
pride ourselves on engine

1017
00:47:50,170 --> 00:47:52,172
during as a country

1018
00:47:52,172 --> 00:47:53,173
but rather than distract from the issue

1019
00:47:53,173 --> 00:47:54,174
at

1020
00:47:54,174 --> 00:47:55,175
hand let's go back to the consideration

1021
00:47:55,175 --> 00:47:56,176
of local police departments cooperation

1022
00:47:56,176 --> 00:47:57,177
with ice.

1023
00:47:57,177 --> 00:47:59,179
I think more highly of our community

1024
00:47:59,179 --> 00:48:02,182
and what we represent. Why people

1025
00:48:02,182 --> 00:48:04,151
move here, why they find peace

1026
00:48:04,151 --> 00:48:05,152
and enriched lives and the mutually

1027
00:48:05,152 --> 00:48:07,552
respectful relationships that we

1028
00:48:08,155 --> 00:48:10,157
support. Let us not

1029
00:48:10,157 --> 00:48:11,158
ally ourselves with a group that dehumanizes

1030
00:48:11,158 --> 00:48:13,558
the lives of others.

1031
00:48:14,161 --> 00:48:15,162
we are better than that.

1032
00:48:15,162 --> 00:48:17,164
thank you, mayor love, city council for

1033
00:48:17,164 --> 00:48:19,164
this opportunity to

1034
00:48:20,167 --> 00:48:21,168
speak.

1035
00:48:21,168 --> 00:48:23,168
>> perfect. Who's next?

1036
00:48:23,170 --> 00:48:24,171
I am sorry I don't

1037
00:48:24,171 --> 00:48:25,172
know every persons name tonight.

1038
00:48:25,172 --> 00:48:26,173
>>

1039
00:48:26,173 --> 00:48:29,176
my name is kate and I live at

1040
00:48:29,176 --> 00:48:31,176
2613 beach boulevard.

1041
00:48:32,179 --> 00:48:34,181
first I just would like to thank

1042
00:48:34,181 --> 00:48:36,183
council for being here and doing such

1043
00:48:36,183 --> 00:48:37,150
a wonderful job.

1044
00:48:37,150 --> 00:48:39,150
>> just one minute,

1045
00:48:41,154 --> 00:48:44,157
I'm sorry. One conversation only, right here.

1046
00:48:44,157 --> 00:48:46,157
>> I

1047
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,162
am moved to gulfport

1048
00:48:49,162 --> 00:48:50,163
10 years ago and have been so happy

1049
00:48:50,163 --> 00:48:52,163
I did. Gulfport

1050
00:48:53,166 --> 00:48:55,169
is a dream community. Gulfport

1051
00:48:55,169 --> 00:48:59,969
is an amazing town. We voted in and

1052
00:49:02,176 --> 00:49:03,177
--and all women

1053
00:49:03,177 --> 00:49:05,179
city council and mayor. I think there

1054
00:49:05,179 --> 00:49:06,180
are only five others in america. I came to

1055
00:49:06,180 --> 00:49:08,182
speak tonight because when I heard ice

1056
00:49:08,182 --> 00:49:10,182
was in our

1057
00:49:11,151 --> 00:49:13,153
town, I was shocked. Equally so when

1058
00:49:13,153 --> 00:49:16,156
I heard that our police force will be backing ice

1059
00:49:16,156 --> 00:49:20,160
supporting their actions, following orders from trump

1060
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,163
. Maybe that's not true. That's what I heard

1061
00:49:23,163 --> 00:49:25,165
. I have been too many

1062
00:49:25,165 --> 00:49:28,765
anti-trump demonstrations this year in gulfport

1063
00:49:29,169 --> 00:49:31,569
and saint pete. Just

1064
00:49:32,172 --> 00:49:34,174
today there was one

1065
00:49:34,174 --> 00:49:35,175
in clymer park. I am so grateful to

1066
00:49:35,175 --> 00:49:36,176
have grown up

1067
00:49:36,176 --> 00:49:40,976
in a country that has supported free speech.

1068
00:49:41,181 --> 00:49:44,151
I have been able to speak my mind without fear

1069
00:49:44,151 --> 00:49:47,151
or retaliation. But after the

1070
00:49:47,154 --> 00:49:49,154
shooting of

1071
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:54,161
renee good I am very

1072
00:49:54,161 --> 00:49:56,163
concerned for all of us who oppose

1073
00:49:56,163 --> 00:49:58,563
what trump is doing

1074
00:49:59,166 --> 00:50:01,168
not just by sending his brown shirt troops to

1075
00:50:01,168 --> 00:50:02,169
my town but by his international takeovers.

1076
00:50:02,169 --> 00:50:03,170
I don't know

1077
00:50:03,170 --> 00:50:05,172
the answer, but hopefully we as a

1078
00:50:05,172 --> 00:50:08,175
small town can come together and

1079
00:50:08,175 --> 00:50:10,177
find solutions as we act locally

1080
00:50:10,177 --> 00:50:14,181
for our own good. Thank you very much.

1081
00:50:14,181 --> 00:50:16,181
>> thank you, kate

1082
00:50:17,150 --> 00:50:19,550
. Who is next? Donovan?

1083
00:50:24,157 --> 00:50:27,757
>> good evening, everyone. I live at

1084
00:50:28,161 --> 00:50:29,162
2806 49th street south and I will

1085
00:50:29,162 --> 00:50:30,163
go over some bicycle information real

1086
00:50:30,163 --> 00:50:31,164
quick.

1087
00:50:31,164 --> 00:50:35,364
the first thing is, e by analysis

1088
00:50:38,172 --> 00:50:40,172
. In pinellas

1089
00:50:40,174 --> 00:50:41,175
county they will be partnering with hospitals

1090
00:50:41,175 --> 00:50:42,176
to develop recommendations to improve

1091
00:50:42,176 --> 00:50:43,177
education, safety and

1092
00:50:43,177 --> 00:50:45,577
policy considerations. This project

1093
00:50:46,180 --> 00:50:47,181
is anticipated to be completed june 30 of

1094
00:50:47,181 --> 00:50:49,581
this year. And also,

1095
00:50:55,155 --> 00:50:56,156
they will be collaborating with pinellas

1096
00:50:56,156 --> 00:50:57,157
county

1097
00:50:57,157 --> 00:50:58,158
working with the center for urban

1098
00:50:58,158 --> 00:50:59,159
transportation research at the university

1099
00:50:59,159 --> 00:51:01,161
of south florida on a safety study.

1100
00:51:01,161 --> 00:51:02,162
last but not least the legislation

1101
00:51:02,162 --> 00:51:05,762
they are going to be proposing

1102
00:51:08,168 --> 00:51:10,170
is going to introduce

1103
00:51:10,170 --> 00:51:11,171
new requirements to include the electronic

1104
00:51:11,171 --> 00:51:14,171
motorcycle category which basically means

1105
00:51:14,174 --> 00:51:16,574
any bike over 750 w

1106
00:51:17,177 --> 00:51:20,177
or 28 miles an hour is

1107
00:51:20,180 --> 00:51:22,182
going to be considered

1108
00:51:22,182 --> 00:51:23,183
an electronic motorcycle and therefore

1109
00:51:23,183 --> 00:51:25,152
would need an endorsement.

1110
00:51:25,152 --> 00:51:26,153
with that being said they would also

1111
00:51:26,153 --> 00:51:27,154
require bikes to

1112
00:51:27,154 --> 00:51:29,156
yield to pedestrians referring to

1113
00:51:29,156 --> 00:51:31,556
electric scooters and also

1114
00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:34,559
electric e bikes . They

1115
00:51:35,162 --> 00:51:37,562
would mandate law enforcement--

1116
00:51:38,165 --> 00:51:41,165
mandate crash reporting which would

1117
00:51:41,168 --> 00:51:43,170
help file police reports in the

1118
00:51:43,170 --> 00:51:44,171
event of a fatality or serious injury

1119
00:51:44,171 --> 00:51:46,173
and require the drivers license to operate

1120
00:51:46,173 --> 00:51:47,174
a class iii bike which is anything

1121
00:51:47,174 --> 00:51:49,174
that goes beyond 28.

1122
00:51:50,177 --> 00:51:52,177
they would require

1123
00:51:56,183 --> 00:51:58,151
bicycle and pedestrian safety as well

1124
00:51:58,151 --> 00:52:01,751
as establishing penalties for tampering with

1125
00:52:02,155 --> 00:52:03,156
motors and speed limiters. That is

1126
00:52:03,156 --> 00:52:04,157
all the

1127
00:52:04,157 --> 00:52:05,158
information I have regarding that and

1128
00:52:05,158 --> 00:52:10,558
I will give you more as the year regresses

1129
00:52:11,164 --> 00:52:13,164
regarding

1130
00:52:13,166 --> 00:52:14,168
house bill 243 and the action committee is scheduled for

1131
00:52:14,168 --> 00:52:16,568
next monday which is

1132
00:52:18,172 --> 00:52:20,172
january 26 in clearwater.

1133
00:52:26,180 --> 00:52:28,182
if you have any other information

1134
00:52:28,182 --> 00:52:30,184
let me know and I will talk to you

1135
00:52:30,184 --> 00:52:31,151
after the meeting. Thank you for

1136
00:52:31,151 --> 00:52:32,152
your time.

1137
00:52:32,152 --> 00:52:33,153
>> for those of you that

1138
00:52:33,153 --> 00:52:34,154
do not know, donovan is our representative

1139
00:52:34,154 --> 00:52:35,155
for fort pinellas when it comes to

1140
00:52:35,155 --> 00:52:36,156
bicycle safety so if you have questions

1141
00:52:36,156 --> 00:52:37,157
he is

1142
00:52:37,157 --> 00:52:38,158
the expert.

1143
00:52:38,158 --> 00:52:39,159
>> good evening, scott lindy.

1144
00:52:39,159 --> 00:52:41,159
representing gulfport chamber

1145
00:52:41,161 --> 00:52:45,961
of commerce this evening. These are serious issues

1146
00:52:48,168 --> 00:52:49,169
that we are here to

1147
00:52:49,169 --> 00:52:50,170
discuss that I am hearing being discussed

1148
00:52:50,170 --> 00:52:51,171
but I am here to hopefully make it

1149
00:52:51,171 --> 00:52:53,171
a

1150
00:52:53,173 --> 00:52:54,174
little bit fun. I want to first of all

1151
00:52:54,174 --> 00:52:56,176
tell everybody who was not

1152
00:52:56,176 --> 00:52:59,179
there that we had an amazing first of many art

1153
00:52:59,179 --> 00:53:00,180
openings at the welcome center on

1154
00:53:00,180 --> 00:53:01,181
gulfport

1155
00:53:01,181 --> 00:53:03,183
boulevard this past saturday and it

1156
00:53:03,183 --> 00:53:04,151
was

1157
00:53:04,151 --> 00:53:06,153
very exciting to see people coming

1158
00:53:06,153 --> 00:53:07,154
. This particular

1159
00:53:07,154 --> 00:53:11,158
artist had a large following from tampa,

1160
00:53:11,158 --> 00:53:14,161
they came and were going back and

1161
00:53:14,161 --> 00:53:15,162
we talked them into touring the rest

1162
00:53:15,162 --> 00:53:16,163
of the town and going

1163
00:53:16,163 --> 00:53:20,167
downtown. I saw some of them there

1164
00:53:20,167 --> 00:53:24,171
a bit later so strategy is working.

1165
00:53:24,171 --> 00:53:26,173
that effort is due in great part

1166
00:53:26,173 --> 00:53:27,174
not to me but we have a new arts committee

1167
00:53:27,174 --> 00:53:29,174
had

1168
00:53:30,177 --> 00:53:32,577
on the board meeting

1169
00:53:33,180 --> 00:53:36,180
, backed up by julie armstrong

1170
00:53:36,183 --> 00:53:39,152
who really made that happen so

1171
00:53:39,152 --> 00:53:41,552
think you to them .

1172
00:53:45,158 --> 00:53:46,159
coming up we have

1173
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:47,160
very shortly our gulfport fine arts festival,

1174
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,163
the 11th annual in clymer park again.

1175
00:53:50,163 --> 00:53:56,163
we moved a little bit south to be more centralized.

1176
00:53:57,171 --> 00:53:58,172
we are going to become a

1177
00:53:58,172 --> 00:54:00,174
grown-up art show and have cash awards

1178
00:54:00,174 --> 00:54:02,176
which makes us the real deal

1179
00:54:02,176 --> 00:54:06,180
and we will attract artists of a higher

1180
00:54:06,180 --> 00:54:09,183
quality from farther away and will continue that butterfly

1181
00:54:09,183 --> 00:54:12,152
effort which was well received

1182
00:54:12,152 --> 00:54:14,552
last year which will

1183
00:54:15,155 --> 00:54:17,155
help.

1184
00:54:18,158 --> 00:54:20,158
any excess proceeds

1185
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,760
will benefit gulfport food for us

1186
00:54:26,166 --> 00:54:28,168
so we are excited about that also

1187
00:54:28,168 --> 00:54:30,170
and there will also be music and food like

1188
00:54:30,170 --> 00:54:32,172
there was last year. Coming up

1189
00:54:32,172 --> 00:54:33,173
right around the corner after that, the pink

1190
00:54:33,173 --> 00:54:35,573
flamingo home tour which

1191
00:54:38,178 --> 00:54:39,179
councilmember earley brought to our attention

1192
00:54:39,179 --> 00:54:41,181
at the last meeting.

1193
00:54:41,181 --> 00:54:42,182
march 7 we finalized, we have 14 stops

1194
00:54:42,182 --> 00:54:44,182
and many

1195
00:54:45,152 --> 00:54:47,552
of us know us

1196
00:54:48,155 --> 00:54:49,156
as ward 4 but also the garden district

1197
00:54:49,156 --> 00:54:51,158
or the northeast section of our city.

1198
00:54:51,158 --> 00:54:54,158
it is a unique area

1199
00:54:57,164 --> 00:54:58,165
and was challenging

1200
00:54:58,165 --> 00:55:00,167
to find something that was going to be

1201
00:55:00,167 --> 00:55:03,170
of interest. We've combined a number of gardens like

1202
00:55:03,170 --> 00:55:05,172
the blueberry patch and community gardens

1203
00:55:05,172 --> 00:55:06,173
along with some old cottages which

1204
00:55:06,173 --> 00:55:07,174
is what

1205
00:55:07,174 --> 00:55:09,176
the neighborhood mostly looked like

1206
00:55:09,176 --> 00:55:12,179
but we have a new bill to see how the evolution

1207
00:55:12,179 --> 00:55:14,181
of the neighborhood will look

1208
00:55:14,181 --> 00:55:15,182
. I encourage you to come out and

1209
00:55:15,182 --> 00:55:18,151
tickets remain at the low

1210
00:55:18,151 --> 00:55:21,154
price. We will have both the trolley

1211
00:55:21,154 --> 00:55:23,154
and

1212
00:55:24,157 --> 00:55:26,157
the looper and

1213
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,162
a map that is worked out

1214
00:55:29,162 --> 00:55:30,163
so we will have doubled the transportation

1215
00:55:30,163 --> 00:55:31,164
along with walker's and bikers, golf cart

1216
00:55:31,164 --> 00:55:33,164
and drivers.

1217
00:55:34,168 --> 00:55:38,368
all of these details and buying tickets

1218
00:55:39,173 --> 00:55:42,173
visit gulfport florida.com. Thank

1219
00:55:42,176 --> 00:55:45,179
you very much for your time.

1220
00:55:45,179 --> 00:55:50,579
>> next overhear a show of hands? No public comment?

1221
00:55:51,151 --> 00:55:53,151
right here , please.

1222
00:55:58,158 --> 00:56:00,160
>> hi everybody. I am emily smith

1223
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,160
, I

1224
00:56:03,163 --> 00:56:05,563
have been john to

1225
00:56:06,166 --> 00:56:07,167
gulfport, I have many friends here,

1226
00:56:07,167 --> 00:56:09,167
I've

1227
00:56:09,169 --> 00:56:12,169
recited poetry here but I

1228
00:56:12,172 --> 00:56:15,175
am a law-abiding citizen and a member of indivisible.org

1229
00:56:15,175 --> 00:56:17,177
and I am an advocate

1230
00:56:17,177 --> 00:56:21,181
for social justice. I wrote this about program

1231
00:56:21,181 --> 00:56:23,181
287g. I'm

1232
00:56:24,151 --> 00:56:27,151
not sure how this bogus

1233
00:56:28,155 --> 00:56:30,157
287g agreement ever arrived in a sleepy

1234
00:56:30,157 --> 00:56:32,557
little town like gulfport.

1235
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,160
where in gulfport

1236
00:56:36,163 --> 00:56:38,163
are thugs,

1237
00:56:42,169 --> 00:56:43,170
, drug running gangsters for which the

1238
00:56:43,170 --> 00:56:45,172
administration was recruited to round

1239
00:56:45,172 --> 00:56:48,175
up and incarcerate or murder? Here's where they are.

1240
00:56:48,175 --> 00:56:50,175
one can simply

1241
00:56:51,178 --> 00:56:54,181
view and ice agent on live tv who brutally attacks women

1242
00:56:54,181 --> 00:56:56,181
, elderly gentlemen, harmless

1243
00:56:57,184 --> 00:56:59,184
gardeners

1244
00:57:00,153 --> 00:57:01,154
and sprays pepper spray into a car

1245
00:57:01,154 --> 00:57:03,154
full of

1246
00:57:03,156 --> 00:57:05,556
toddlers. One can view

1247
00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:07,160
the crushing of a young student on

1248
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:08,161
the

1249
00:57:08,161 --> 00:57:12,361
ground kneeling on his neck. Zip tying

1250
00:57:13,166 --> 00:57:15,166
innocent, terrified

1251
00:57:16,170 --> 00:57:18,172
children and throwing them into

1252
00:57:18,172 --> 00:57:21,175
vans and garbage trucks. One can view on live tv

1253
00:57:21,175 --> 00:57:24,178
the point-blank shots to the face

1254
00:57:24,178 --> 00:57:28,182
of an innocent protester who leaves behind

1255
00:57:28,182 --> 00:57:29,183
two children.

1256
00:57:29,183 --> 00:57:32,783
listen, dear friend, to the words

1257
00:57:33,153 --> 00:57:38,553
spoken in our generation that we cannot ever forget.

1258
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,163
I can't breathe. I'm not mad at you.

1259
00:57:43,163 --> 00:57:45,563
the word partner implies

1260
00:57:48,168 --> 00:57:51,171
to me, shared goals. A blending of resources

1261
00:57:51,171 --> 00:57:52,172
for the common good. This is not a meeting

1262
00:57:52,172 --> 00:57:54,572
of the minds or

1263
00:57:55,175 --> 00:57:56,176
anything else

1264
00:57:56,176 --> 00:57:58,178
resembling positive social change.

1265
00:57:58,178 --> 00:58:00,180
to me it is

1266
00:58:00,180 --> 00:58:03,780
a band of power-hungry, angry, disillusioned

1267
00:58:04,151 --> 00:58:05,152
social misfits

1268
00:58:05,152 --> 00:58:08,152
daring to disturb the equilibrium

1269
00:58:10,157 --> 00:58:12,157
of a warm

1270
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:14,161
and vital bohemian village that

1271
00:58:14,161 --> 00:58:19,166
has done just fine by itself. By the way

1272
00:58:19,166 --> 00:58:21,166
I love policeman.

1273
00:58:22,169 --> 00:58:23,170
I am a law-abiding citizen, I have

1274
00:58:23,170 --> 00:58:25,172
a good driving record, I love policeman

1275
00:58:25,172 --> 00:58:27,172
and to me

1276
00:58:28,175 --> 00:58:30,177
they are doing a fine job.

1277
00:58:30,177 --> 00:58:31,178
just fine. Anyway I ask you to look

1278
00:58:31,178 --> 00:58:33,178
at the

1279
00:58:34,181 --> 00:58:36,183
crime rates in gulfport .

1280
00:58:36,183 --> 00:58:37,184
I ask you to look at the plethora of

1281
00:58:37,184 --> 00:58:38,151
community services offered by

1282
00:58:38,151 --> 00:58:42,351
gulfport. Way over the norm for most

1283
00:58:43,156 --> 00:58:45,156
small town america.

1284
00:58:46,159 --> 00:58:49,162
gulfport recruits volunteers for daily welfare calls

1285
00:58:49,162 --> 00:58:51,162
to lonely elders

1286
00:58:52,165 --> 00:58:55,169
in this little beach town. Ice

1287
00:58:55,169 --> 00:58:56,170
, you have no business here or any other

1288
00:58:56,170 --> 00:58:58,570
peaceful and law-abiding community.

1289
00:59:01,175 --> 00:59:03,175
>> thank you very

1290
00:59:04,178 --> 00:59:10,178
much. Who is next? Sorry, I don't know your name.

1291
00:59:10,184 --> 00:59:12,184
>> hello, everyone.

1292
00:59:13,153 --> 00:59:16,156
my name is mary winstead and I live at

1293
00:59:16,156 --> 00:59:18,156
1809 60th street, gulfport.

1294
00:59:18,158 --> 00:59:20,160
I've lived there for almost 36 years.

1295
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:24,360
I normally don't come to meetings because

1296
00:59:25,165 --> 00:59:27,165
there doesn't

1297
00:59:27,167 --> 00:59:28,168
feel like a need for me. I used to

1298
00:59:28,168 --> 00:59:30,170
when I first moved here

1299
00:59:30,170 --> 00:59:31,171
but then I let it slide. Then I was

1300
00:59:31,171 --> 00:59:33,173
looking at the minutes from last

1301
00:59:33,173 --> 00:59:36,176
week and I saw some things that disturbed me.

1302
00:59:36,176 --> 00:59:37,177
being a black person living in gulfport

1303
00:59:37,177 --> 00:59:39,177
and on

1304
00:59:40,180 --> 00:59:43,780
the other side of 58th street,

1305
00:59:46,153 --> 00:59:47,154
I was

1306
00:59:47,154 --> 00:59:48,155
the first recognizable black person living

1307
00:59:48,155 --> 00:59:51,158
there. I had a neighbor who is black

1308
00:59:51,158 --> 00:59:52,159
but no one knew it because he was

1309
00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:54,559
very fair complexion. So

1310
00:59:55,162 --> 00:59:57,164
yes it was a

1311
00:59:57,164 --> 00:59:58,165
sundowner. I don't expect you want

1312
00:59:58,165 --> 01:00:00,167
to apologize for anything

1313
01:00:00,167 --> 01:00:03,167
because it doesn't mean anything .

1314
01:00:06,173 --> 01:00:08,175
when I first moved here the first thing I had to do

1315
01:00:08,175 --> 01:00:10,177
was go down to the police department

1316
01:00:10,177 --> 01:00:11,178
and

1317
01:00:11,178 --> 01:00:13,180
let the chief know that I lived in

1318
01:00:13,180 --> 01:00:16,180
this town because that happened

1319
01:00:16,183 --> 01:00:19,152
right after a black professor

1320
01:00:19,152 --> 01:00:22,155
from stetson college had his arm broken

1321
01:00:22,155 --> 01:00:23,156
because it's a boy,

1322
01:00:23,156 --> 01:00:25,158
what are you doing on the street? That was

1323
01:00:25,158 --> 01:00:27,158
our police department.

1324
01:00:28,161 --> 01:00:29,162
now the police

1325
01:00:29,162 --> 01:00:31,164
department has radically changed but

1326
01:00:31,164 --> 01:00:33,164
not to acknowledge--

1327
01:00:34,168 --> 01:00:36,168
thank you, april,

1328
01:00:37,171 --> 01:00:40,174
thank you nancy, thank the other people who did

1329
01:00:40,174 --> 01:00:42,176
and are willing to acknowledge that

1330
01:00:42,176 --> 01:00:43,177
this is what happened. It wasn't on the books.

1331
01:00:43,177 --> 01:00:45,177
races

1332
01:00:45,179 --> 01:00:46,180
and very rarely is on the books. It is just

1333
01:00:46,180 --> 01:00:48,180
something

1334
01:00:49,183 --> 01:00:52,152
that gets done. It becomes

1335
01:00:52,152 --> 01:00:54,152
status quo.

1336
01:00:55,155 --> 01:00:57,157
not any more. So I

1337
01:00:57,157 --> 01:01:01,161
am here to say that which was said last week

1338
01:01:01,161 --> 01:01:04,164
, well we never codified it. It doesn't

1339
01:01:04,164 --> 01:01:06,166
matter. It gets codified by

1340
01:01:06,166 --> 01:01:07,167
people doing what they do and unless we acknowledge

1341
01:01:07,167 --> 01:01:08,168
it and

1342
01:01:08,168 --> 01:01:10,170
move forward, it will happen again

1343
01:01:10,170 --> 01:01:12,172
so I encourage you all

1344
01:01:12,172 --> 01:01:13,173
who are elected officials to acknowledge.

1345
01:01:13,173 --> 01:01:15,573
I don't need your

1346
01:01:16,176 --> 01:01:19,176
apology but to acknowledge that

1347
01:01:19,179 --> 01:01:22,182
this did happen and it's not

1348
01:01:22,182 --> 01:01:24,184
going to happen again. And when

1349
01:01:24,184 --> 01:01:25,152
I say I came down to meet the police

1350
01:01:25,152 --> 01:01:26,153
department the chief

1351
01:01:26,153 --> 01:01:28,155
at that time was a very, very good

1352
01:01:28,155 --> 01:01:31,158
man. I don't remember his name.

1353
01:01:31,158 --> 01:01:33,158
this is

1354
01:01:34,161 --> 01:01:36,163
how long ago it was. But

1355
01:01:36,163 --> 01:01:37,164
I'm proud to live in this town but

1356
01:01:37,164 --> 01:01:39,166
I am not going to

1357
01:01:39,166 --> 01:01:40,167
be a person here who has sat here

1358
01:01:40,167 --> 01:01:43,170
and watched things that have happened

1359
01:01:43,170 --> 01:01:46,173
in gulfport. I used to be afraid to

1360
01:01:46,173 --> 01:01:49,173
drive down 22nd avenue south

1361
01:01:49,176 --> 01:01:55,176
for fear that I was going to get stop.--

1362
01:01:55,182 --> 01:01:56,183
stopped. I did one time, and I was speeding

1363
01:01:56,183 --> 01:01:58,151
to get

1364
01:01:58,151 --> 01:02:01,154
to the golf course. The police, he was

1365
01:02:01,154 --> 01:02:04,157
not so nice. But, I acknowledged

1366
01:02:04,157 --> 01:02:06,557
that I was wrong.

1367
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,560
but I want you

1368
01:02:10,163 --> 01:02:13,166
to be aware that yes we have had a racist town

1369
01:02:13,166 --> 01:02:15,169
and it was known as that and we

1370
01:02:15,169 --> 01:02:16,170
don't have to be that any more.

1371
01:02:16,170 --> 01:02:17,171
>>

1372
01:02:17,171 --> 01:02:19,173
who is next? Charlotte and

1373
01:02:19,173 --> 01:02:23,373
then you will be next after that.

1374
01:02:28,182 --> 01:02:30,182
>>

1375
01:02:32,152 --> 01:02:35,152
I have a blinding headache.

1376
01:02:35,155 --> 01:02:37,555
>> me, too. I live

1377
01:02:38,158 --> 01:02:41,161
on 13th avenue south and if

1378
01:02:41,161 --> 01:02:45,961
I can get this -- there we go.

1379
01:02:51,171 --> 01:02:53,173
first of all, I want to appreciate, I

1380
01:02:53,173 --> 01:02:54,174
haven't been able to attend the meetings

1381
01:02:54,174 --> 01:02:56,176
but I want to appreciate this council of

1382
01:02:56,176 --> 01:02:57,177
wonderful women and I've noticed the

1383
01:02:57,177 --> 01:02:59,179
work you've done together. You don't always

1384
01:02:59,179 --> 01:03:00,180
agree

1385
01:03:00,180 --> 01:03:02,182
but you disagree respectfully and

1386
01:03:02,182 --> 01:03:04,582
you support each other.

1387
01:03:05,152 --> 01:03:07,152
and

1388
01:03:08,155 --> 01:03:09,156
the

1389
01:03:09,156 --> 01:03:10,157
mayor does not bully other council

1390
01:03:10,157 --> 01:03:13,160
members. I'm not afraid to say that.

1391
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:16,160
I particularly appreciate your efforts

1392
01:03:17,164 --> 01:03:19,164
of environmental issues

1393
01:03:22,169 --> 01:03:23,170
and taking better care of our city

1394
01:03:23,170 --> 01:03:24,171
finances so thank you all for that.

1395
01:03:24,171 --> 01:03:26,173
I'm sure you've all seen the video

1396
01:03:26,173 --> 01:03:28,175
of the murder of

1397
01:03:28,175 --> 01:03:32,179
renee good and you know the last words

1398
01:03:32,179 --> 01:03:34,179
she

1399
01:03:34,181 --> 01:03:39,581
heard before her killer shot her four times was

1400
01:03:41,154 --> 01:03:43,154
--.

1401
01:03:44,157 --> 01:03:47,160
that is well known to women

1402
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,560
and I've-- I've nearly

1403
01:03:50,163 --> 01:03:52,163
-- I am 80

1404
01:03:53,166 --> 01:03:54,168
years old almost. Sometimes the people

1405
01:03:54,168 --> 01:03:56,170
who said it were very sorry. Thugs

1406
01:03:56,170 --> 01:03:59,170
and violating the constitutional rights

1407
01:03:59,173 --> 01:04:01,173
of free speech

1408
01:04:02,176 --> 01:04:03,177
, to

1409
01:04:03,177 --> 01:04:07,181
protest, to assemble, they are carrying out

1410
01:04:07,181 --> 01:04:11,185
illegal orders of a white nationalist maniac president

1411
01:04:11,185 --> 01:04:12,152
. The cowards

1412
01:04:12,152 --> 01:04:14,154
aren't going after drug cartels. Do

1413
01:04:14,154 --> 01:04:16,554
we have drug cartels

1414
01:04:18,158 --> 01:04:20,160
--if we have drug cartels in this

1415
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,162
town, get them. For sure.

1416
01:04:22,162 --> 01:04:26,166
in america it was the gang members and

1417
01:04:26,166 --> 01:04:29,169
that the president wanted to eliminate. None of that

1418
01:04:29,169 --> 01:04:30,170
. They

1419
01:04:30,170 --> 01:04:31,171
are taking people away from their

1420
01:04:31,171 --> 01:04:35,175
jobs and off the streets and it's wrong.

1421
01:04:35,175 --> 01:04:37,177
I want you to protect

1422
01:04:37,177 --> 01:04:41,377
our police department. I don't know about

1423
01:04:43,183 --> 01:04:44,184
this thing that whoever signed it signed it agreeing to

1424
01:04:44,184 --> 01:04:47,154
work with ice but I want

1425
01:04:47,154 --> 01:04:48,155
it

1426
01:04:48,155 --> 01:04:49,156
rescinded. I want our police department,

1427
01:04:49,156 --> 01:04:50,157
our chief and her crew protected from having

1428
01:04:50,157 --> 01:04:52,157
to participate in

1429
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,160
unconstitutional and

1430
01:04:56,163 --> 01:04:58,563
illegal activities against people

1431
01:04:59,166 --> 01:05:01,168
in this town. That's your job.

1432
01:05:01,168 --> 01:05:04,768
you are our city council. Protect

1433
01:05:07,174 --> 01:05:08,175
our police chief who I think is doing a

1434
01:05:08,175 --> 01:05:09,176
great job,

1435
01:05:09,176 --> 01:05:12,776
and protect our police officers. Please.

1436
01:05:14,181 --> 01:05:16,181
I'm

1437
01:05:17,184 --> 01:05:21,154
not mad at you , was the last

1438
01:05:21,154 --> 01:05:23,156
words that mother of three spoke. And

1439
01:05:23,156 --> 01:05:26,156
the man could not stand

1440
01:05:29,162 --> 01:05:31,562
that he had been

1441
01:05:32,165 --> 01:05:34,565
-- by her , that

1442
01:05:35,169 --> 01:05:38,172
she drove away from him. And

1443
01:05:38,172 --> 01:05:40,572
he couldn't stand it.

1444
01:05:41,175 --> 01:05:43,175
>> thank you, charlotte.

1445
01:05:47,181 --> 01:05:49,181
>>

1446
01:05:49,183 --> 01:05:50,184
my name is julia, I am a homeowner. I spoke several

1447
01:05:50,184 --> 01:05:51,185
weeks ago

1448
01:05:51,185 --> 01:05:53,153
asking city council to renew their contract with

1449
01:05:53,153 --> 01:05:54,154
the--. The contract as existed was

1450
01:05:54,154 --> 01:05:58,954
not renewed and instead the budget was cut

1451
01:06:02,162 --> 01:06:03,163
dirty percent and advertising dollars were

1452
01:06:03,163 --> 01:06:04,164
routed to

1453
01:06:04,164 --> 01:06:05,165
a contract with gulfport living. For those

1454
01:06:05,165 --> 01:06:06,166
unaware, gulfport living is an

1455
01:06:06,166 --> 01:06:07,167
unsolicited glossy photo laden monthly

1456
01:06:07,167 --> 01:06:11,171
advertising direct mail or otherwise known as

1457
01:06:11,171 --> 01:06:12,172
junk

1458
01:06:12,172 --> 01:06:14,174
mail. Gulfport living is distributed

1459
01:06:14,174 --> 01:06:17,177
by best version media, a conglomerate based in wisconsin.

1460
01:06:17,177 --> 01:06:20,180
last year best version media was required

1461
01:06:20,180 --> 01:06:21,181
--acquired by

1462
01:06:21,181 --> 01:06:23,183
a global investment firm managing

1463
01:06:23,183 --> 01:06:25,152
$72 billion

1464
01:06:25,152 --> 01:06:29,156
of capital and I ask why is this council

1465
01:06:29,156 --> 01:06:33,160
using taxpayer dollars to support an out-of-state

1466
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,162
billion-dollar empire at the expense

1467
01:06:35,162 --> 01:06:37,162
of a

1468
01:06:37,164 --> 01:06:38,165
local, family-owned business? Of why

1469
01:06:38,165 --> 01:06:40,165
are members of

1470
01:06:40,167 --> 01:06:43,767
this historic all-female council legitimizing a

1471
01:06:44,171 --> 01:06:47,174
junk mail circular with a column

1472
01:06:47,174 --> 01:06:48,175
of councilmember submissions and advertising

1473
01:06:48,175 --> 01:06:50,175
dollars

1474
01:06:50,177 --> 01:06:53,180
at the expense of a historic woman led publication?

1475
01:06:53,180 --> 01:06:55,180
gulfport living

1476
01:06:59,152 --> 01:07:00,153
bills itself as an exclusive magazine serving the

1477
01:07:00,153 --> 01:07:02,155
gulfport community but let's be clear, it is

1478
01:07:02,155 --> 01:07:04,155
not exclusive

1479
01:07:04,157 --> 01:07:05,158
to gulfport. It is exclusive by algorithm

1480
01:07:05,158 --> 01:07:07,558
to single-family homes valued

1481
01:07:08,161 --> 01:07:10,161
at $400,000 or more.

1482
01:07:11,164 --> 01:07:13,164
this

1483
01:07:14,168 --> 01:07:15,169
circular is not distributed to multi family

1484
01:07:15,169 --> 01:07:17,169
dwellings.

1485
01:07:17,171 --> 01:07:18,172
one third of

1486
01:07:18,172 --> 01:07:19,173
households in this city will never

1487
01:07:19,173 --> 01:07:20,174
receive it as defined by company policy.

1488
01:07:20,174 --> 01:07:22,174
based on print

1489
01:07:23,177 --> 01:07:25,177
distribution it costs

1490
01:07:26,180 --> 01:07:29,183
60% more to advertise with gulfport living

1491
01:07:29,183 --> 01:07:32,152
than it does the gabbert.

1492
01:07:32,152 --> 01:07:34,152
it supports

1493
01:07:35,155 --> 01:07:37,155
a global enterprise,

1494
01:07:38,158 --> 01:07:40,558
excludes constituents and costs

1495
01:07:41,161 --> 01:07:43,161
taxpayers more money.

1496
01:07:44,164 --> 01:07:47,167
this does not look like a marketing plan.

1497
01:07:47,167 --> 01:07:50,170
this looks like a plan of

1498
01:07:50,170 --> 01:07:51,171
retaliation for unfavorable coverage from the newspaper

1499
01:07:51,171 --> 01:07:52,172
and

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01:07:52,172 --> 01:07:54,572
favoritism for favorable coverage

1501
01:07:57,177 --> 01:07:59,179
in a junk mail circular.

1502
01:07:59,179 --> 01:08:03,183
it looks like a plan to defund and

1503
01:08:03,183 --> 01:08:04,184
replace our local news

1504
01:08:04,184 --> 01:08:05,152
all at taxpayer expense. City advertising

1505
01:08:05,152 --> 01:08:09,156
dollars are not to make councilmembers look good or fund

1506
01:08:09,156 --> 01:08:10,157
vendettas.

1507
01:08:10,157 --> 01:08:12,159
they are to provide information to residents

1508
01:08:12,159 --> 01:08:13,160
in a way that is

1509
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:16,160
cost effective, efficient, inclusive, and

1510
01:08:18,165 --> 01:08:21,165
accessible to all. I again

1511
01:08:21,168 --> 01:08:23,170
call for leadership to build

1512
01:08:23,170 --> 01:08:28,570
and strengthen our local stakeholders, businesses, and most importantly

1513
01:08:29,176 --> 01:08:33,180
democratic institutions whether we like them or

1514
01:08:33,180 --> 01:08:34,181
not. That is your role. This

1515
01:08:34,181 --> 01:08:36,183
is exactly the reason we need independent journalism and

1516
01:08:36,183 --> 01:08:39,152
not a message curated by

1517
01:08:39,152 --> 01:08:41,152
council.

1518
01:08:42,155 --> 01:08:44,155
I have a

1519
01:08:45,158 --> 01:08:47,160
handout for council, if I may,

1520
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:51,164
a cost analysis on where I get my

1521
01:08:51,164 --> 01:08:52,165
figures from.

1522
01:08:52,165 --> 01:08:54,165
>> thank you very

1523
01:08:54,168 --> 01:08:56,568
much. Who is next?

1524
01:08:57,171 --> 01:08:59,171
suzanne,

1525
01:09:00,174 --> 01:09:02,174
I am sorry.

1526
01:09:03,177 --> 01:09:06,180
I've done that more than once in

1527
01:09:06,180 --> 01:09:09,180
the last 15 years. I apologize.

1528
01:09:13,153 --> 01:09:15,155
>> suzanne -- I just started. Very quickly, I just

1529
01:09:15,155 --> 01:09:17,555
wanted to say that

1530
01:09:18,158 --> 01:09:20,158
scott

1531
01:09:23,163 --> 01:09:24,164
forgot one event and I thought I would come up and remind you that get rescued is

1532
01:09:24,164 --> 01:09:26,164
also

1533
01:09:26,166 --> 01:09:27,167
coming up and that will be saturday, february

1534
01:09:27,167 --> 01:09:28,168
28. Thank you.

1535
01:09:28,168 --> 01:09:30,168
>> thank

1536
01:09:30,170 --> 01:09:32,570
you. Who is next?

1537
01:09:36,176 --> 01:09:39,176
>> thank you. My name is

1538
01:09:39,179 --> 01:09:42,179
christine and I live at 2617

1539
01:09:42,182 --> 01:09:44,182
, 52nd street south.

1540
01:09:45,152 --> 01:09:48,155
I want to urge city council to

1541
01:09:48,155 --> 01:09:49,156
support our local news source

1542
01:09:49,156 --> 01:09:52,156
by maintaining the annual expenditure

1543
01:09:54,161 --> 01:09:56,161
for

1544
01:09:56,163 --> 01:09:57,164
the city information to be publicized in the

1545
01:09:57,164 --> 01:09:59,564
newspaper. I believe that

1546
01:10:00,167 --> 01:10:03,167
the gabber is important to

1547
01:10:03,170 --> 01:10:04,171
both residents and

1548
01:10:04,171 --> 01:10:06,173
tourists and as we know local papers are at risk and our

1549
01:10:06,173 --> 01:10:08,573
democracy is at risk.

1550
01:10:12,179 --> 01:10:13,180
in a new york times article this

1551
01:10:13,180 --> 01:10:15,182
past weekend about local newspapers, I found this quote

1552
01:10:15,182 --> 01:10:16,183
.

1553
01:10:16,183 --> 01:10:18,185
when communities lose their local news outlets

1554
01:10:18,185 --> 01:10:19,152
,

1555
01:10:19,152 --> 01:10:23,952
civic engagement drops, corruption rises, government waste increases,

1556
01:10:24,157 --> 01:10:27,157
and political polarization rises. We

1557
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:30,160
need the gabber and the

1558
01:10:30,163 --> 01:10:31,164
gabber is probably facing

1559
01:10:31,164 --> 01:10:34,164
really hard financial times. Having

1560
01:10:35,169 --> 01:10:39,173
gulfport, the city of gulfport pull funding and not maintain

1561
01:10:39,173 --> 01:10:40,174
it at full funding

1562
01:10:40,174 --> 01:10:42,176
could mean that it goes away and we

1563
01:10:42,176 --> 01:10:43,177
don't want that to happen. Thank you.

1564
01:10:43,177 --> 01:10:45,177
>> thank

1565
01:10:45,179 --> 01:10:47,579
you. Who is next?

1566
01:10:53,153 --> 01:10:54,154
>> my name is joe, 1419 59th street

1567
01:10:54,154 --> 01:10:56,554
south. I would like

1568
01:10:57,157 --> 01:10:59,557
everyone to think of

1569
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:03,163
, when the current president went into

1570
01:11:03,163 --> 01:11:04,164
the white house and started attacking the free press. When he started

1571
01:11:04,164 --> 01:11:06,166
attacking broadcasters whether it be on tv, radio

1572
01:11:06,166 --> 01:11:08,166
, or print.

1573
01:11:09,169 --> 01:11:12,169
and calling it fake news.

1574
01:11:12,172 --> 01:11:15,175
it was a horrific moment for us.

1575
01:11:15,175 --> 01:11:17,175
so

1576
01:11:18,178 --> 01:11:20,180
for me to not be able

1577
01:11:20,180 --> 01:11:21,181
to read our mayor's column in our local

1578
01:11:21,181 --> 01:11:23,181
newspaper

1579
01:11:24,184 --> 01:11:26,584
really makes me sad

1580
01:11:27,154 --> 01:11:29,154
we

1581
01:11:30,157 --> 01:11:32,159
are supposed to go after this authoritarian government starting at

1582
01:11:32,159 --> 01:11:38,159
the local level and that's what we need to do.

1583
01:11:40,167 --> 01:11:43,170
I want to be able to read our

1584
01:11:43,170 --> 01:11:45,170
mayor's column and

1585
01:11:45,172 --> 01:11:46,173
to know what's going on through our newspaper, not

1586
01:11:46,173 --> 01:11:49,173
something I don't have access

1587
01:11:49,176 --> 01:11:50,177
to. I do have access to gulfport

1588
01:11:50,177 --> 01:11:51,178
living but I've never read it. Junk

1589
01:11:51,178 --> 01:11:52,179
mail goes in the trash for me. I don't

1590
01:11:52,179 --> 01:11:54,179
to social media

1591
01:11:54,181 --> 01:11:57,184
because we all know what the sewer

1592
01:11:57,184 --> 01:12:01,154
is so I'm just asking you to put our mayor's

1593
01:12:01,154 --> 01:12:03,154
column

1594
01:12:04,157 --> 01:12:06,159
in the gabber so we don't

1595
01:12:06,159 --> 01:12:10,163
look like we are following the playbook of what's happening in

1596
01:12:10,163 --> 01:12:11,164
dc. And on top of that

1597
01:12:11,164 --> 01:12:13,166
it is being funded by the people who

1598
01:12:13,166 --> 01:12:15,166
own it,

1599
01:12:15,169 --> 01:12:18,172
the people who saved it. The gabber was about to go

1600
01:12:18,172 --> 01:12:23,572
under with our hurricanes but a couple stepped forward

1601
01:12:24,178 --> 01:12:25,179
and put an enormous amount of money into saving

1602
01:12:25,179 --> 01:12:28,179
an independent newspaper that has

1603
01:12:28,182 --> 01:12:30,182
been

1604
01:12:31,185 --> 01:12:32,152
in this town for 57 years. When

1605
01:12:32,152 --> 01:12:34,154
I would walk around gulfport years

1606
01:12:34,154 --> 01:12:37,157
ago when we bought our house, people were carrying

1607
01:12:37,157 --> 01:12:39,157
the gabber because

1608
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,160
it was everywhere.

1609
01:12:42,162 --> 01:12:45,165
tourists would pick it up and that's how they

1610
01:12:45,165 --> 01:12:49,169
would find out what's going on in

1611
01:12:49,169 --> 01:12:51,171
this town and that's how they could read the

1612
01:12:51,171 --> 01:12:52,172
mayor's column. You could do spectacular

1613
01:12:52,172 --> 01:12:54,174
things for this town

1614
01:12:54,174 --> 01:12:58,178
but what's going to happen is people

1615
01:12:58,178 --> 01:13:00,180
will look at the worst

1616
01:13:00,180 --> 01:13:01,181
thing and say her column is not in our

1617
01:13:01,181 --> 01:13:04,184
local newspaper and they are going to

1618
01:13:04,184 --> 01:13:05,152
condemn

1619
01:13:05,152 --> 01:13:07,154
you for it. You shouldn't be condemned for that one thing.

1620
01:13:07,154 --> 01:13:09,554
so addressing the council

1621
01:13:10,157 --> 01:13:12,157
as one.

1622
01:13:16,163 --> 01:13:19,163
we need to fix this

1623
01:13:19,166 --> 01:13:21,168
and I'm going to quote the

1624
01:13:21,168 --> 01:13:25,172
best present we've had in my lifetime. Take the high

1625
01:13:25,172 --> 01:13:27,172
road.

1626
01:13:28,175 --> 01:13:30,175
>> thank you.

1627
01:13:37,184 --> 01:13:39,184
>> thank you, council

1628
01:13:40,153 --> 01:13:42,153
members. Vice mayor

1629
01:13:43,156 --> 01:13:45,158
thanos, distinguished guests, my name is benjamin

1630
01:13:45,158 --> 01:13:46,159
and I live at town shores and I've

1631
01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:50,359
lived there for two years. I'm embarrassed

1632
01:13:52,165 --> 01:13:53,166
to say this is

1633
01:13:53,166 --> 01:13:55,169
my first council meeting. Won't be my last,

1634
01:13:55,169 --> 01:13:56,170
this is been absolutely fascinating. I'm

1635
01:13:56,170 --> 01:13:58,172
not here to speak about the gabber but

1636
01:13:58,172 --> 01:14:00,172
I will.

1637
01:14:00,174 --> 01:14:01,175
I support the gabber and I agree with those

1638
01:14:01,175 --> 01:14:03,175
who

1639
01:14:03,177 --> 01:14:06,180
have spoken up for that and I really appreciated the woman's remarks about

1640
01:14:06,180 --> 01:14:09,780
if not apologize at least acknowledging

1641
01:14:10,184 --> 01:14:13,153
our history as a son downtown

1642
01:14:13,153 --> 01:14:15,153
and

1643
01:14:16,156 --> 01:14:19,156
our determination to do better.

1644
01:14:28,168 --> 01:14:29,169
this is in response to the police

1645
01:14:29,169 --> 01:14:30,170
violence taking place there,

1646
01:14:30,170 --> 01:14:34,174
a similar call went out this week

1647
01:14:34,174 --> 01:14:37,177
from the clergy and the people of

1648
01:14:37,177 --> 01:14:39,177
minneapolis

1649
01:14:39,179 --> 01:14:40,180
. I and other clergy are answering that

1650
01:14:40,180 --> 01:14:43,180
call and going there tomorrow.

1651
01:14:46,153 --> 01:14:48,155
and the violence responding to

1652
01:14:48,155 --> 01:14:49,156
this time is the violence perpetrated by ice which

1653
01:14:49,156 --> 01:14:52,756
my neighbors have already spoken about.

1654
01:14:58,165 --> 01:15:01,168
the murder of renee good is just the latest and most dramatic impact

1655
01:15:01,168 --> 01:15:03,168
of ice's

1656
01:15:04,171 --> 01:15:06,171
violence.

1657
01:15:07,174 --> 01:15:13,180
they don't behave like law enforcement do, they behave like lawbreakers.

1658
01:15:13,180 --> 01:15:16,180
if we leave the 287g

1659
01:15:16,183 --> 01:15:19,152
agreement in place I didn't

1660
01:15:19,152 --> 01:15:21,152
--

1661
01:15:21,154 --> 01:15:22,155
I don't feel right as a citizen and I feel

1662
01:15:22,155 --> 01:15:24,155
my

1663
01:15:24,157 --> 01:15:25,158
hands are stained by the blood of

1664
01:15:25,158 --> 01:15:27,160
renee good and others . However, we

1665
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:31,164
do have an opportunity right now to take leadership,

1666
01:15:31,164 --> 01:15:33,164
moral leadership

1667
01:15:40,174 --> 01:15:41,175
thank you for your work and I will

1668
01:15:41,175 --> 01:15:43,175
be

1669
01:15:43,177 --> 01:15:45,577
back another time. Courtney?

1670
01:15:46,180 --> 01:15:48,180
>>

1671
01:15:49,183 --> 01:15:52,152
15th avenue south in ward

1672
01:15:52,152 --> 01:15:54,152
4

1673
01:15:55,155 --> 01:15:57,157
I moved to florida five

1674
01:15:57,157 --> 01:15:58,158
years ago to care for my grandmother. She was

1675
01:15:58,158 --> 01:16:00,158
strong, smart, artsy,

1676
01:16:01,161 --> 01:16:04,164
independent. Dementia took that away from her.

1677
01:16:04,164 --> 01:16:06,164
when

1678
01:16:06,166 --> 01:16:07,167
I could no longer keep her safe, home

1679
01:16:07,167 --> 01:16:09,169
health aides and later a memory care facility

1680
01:16:09,169 --> 01:16:10,170
held her through her night terrors

1681
01:16:10,170 --> 01:16:12,570
so I could sleep.

1682
01:16:13,173 --> 01:16:15,173
they

1683
01:16:15,175 --> 01:16:19,179
did the hard work when I could not. The majority

1684
01:16:19,179 --> 01:16:22,179
of them came from haiti

1685
01:16:22,182 --> 01:16:24,182
under temporary protective

1686
01:16:25,185 --> 01:16:28,155
status following the instability of the 2010 earthquake.

1687
01:16:28,155 --> 01:16:30,155
that protective status

1688
01:16:34,161 --> 01:16:36,161
ends on february 3

1689
01:16:36,163 --> 01:16:37,164
not because conditions have improved, but

1690
01:16:37,164 --> 01:16:38,165
because of a decision by the department

1691
01:16:38,165 --> 01:16:39,166
of homeland

1692
01:16:39,166 --> 01:16:43,966
security. Watchdog groups like amnesty international call haiti

1693
01:16:47,174 --> 01:16:48,175
a humanitarian and human rights

1694
01:16:48,175 --> 01:16:50,177
crisis. Sending people back now is a near death

1695
01:16:50,177 --> 01:16:51,178
sentence. I cannot catch her

1696
01:16:51,178 --> 01:16:52,179
--capture the full callousness of

1697
01:16:52,179 --> 01:16:54,181
ending protective status. There simply

1698
01:16:54,181 --> 01:16:58,381
is not enough time. But know this.

1699
01:16:59,152 --> 01:17:02,155
it ends february 3 and many other neighbors

1700
01:17:02,155 --> 01:17:05,158
here in the us under tps

1701
01:17:05,158 --> 01:17:06,159
with

1702
01:17:06,159 --> 01:17:08,161
equally unstable conditions in their home

1703
01:17:08,161 --> 01:17:09,162
countries are next in

1704
01:17:09,162 --> 01:17:11,164
line. Ice is escalating enforcement in

1705
01:17:11,164 --> 01:17:13,164
florida.

1706
01:17:15,169 --> 01:17:17,171
this is not abstract. Ice is staging operation

1707
01:17:17,171 --> 01:17:18,172
tidal wave right here, right

1708
01:17:18,172 --> 01:17:20,174
now. Hundreds of hotel rooms are booked across

1709
01:17:20,174 --> 01:17:22,574
tampa bay. Ice has

1710
01:17:23,177 --> 01:17:26,177
quotas. 3000 per day. Tampa has

1711
01:17:26,180 --> 01:17:30,380
a field office. There are 1.3 million haitians

1712
01:17:31,185 --> 01:17:34,154
under tps in the united states. Nearly

1713
01:17:34,154 --> 01:17:37,754
10,000 are our neighbors. They are caregivers,

1714
01:17:38,158 --> 01:17:40,158
nurses, there are

1715
01:17:41,161 --> 01:17:42,162
neighbors.

1716
01:17:42,162 --> 01:17:44,164
on february 2 they're going to go to bed. On february

1717
01:17:44,164 --> 01:17:45,165
3

1718
01:17:45,165 --> 01:17:47,167
they're going to wake up and nothing

1719
01:17:47,167 --> 01:17:50,167
about their lives has changed,

1720
01:17:50,170 --> 01:17:53,173
but if one of those people is

1721
01:17:53,173 --> 01:17:54,174
driving through gulfport and

1722
01:17:54,174 --> 01:17:55,175
they have a broken taillight or a

1723
01:17:55,175 --> 01:17:59,179
minor fender bender on their way to

1724
01:17:59,179 --> 01:18:01,181
work and gpd runs

1725
01:18:01,181 --> 01:18:02,182
their id, on february 3 that's going to

1726
01:18:02,182 --> 01:18:03,183
flag ice. Police officers did

1727
01:18:03,183 --> 01:18:05,185
not create this policy and I cannot believe I am saying this

1728
01:18:05,185 --> 01:18:07,185
,

1729
01:18:08,155 --> 01:18:10,555
I love our cops.

1730
01:18:11,158 --> 01:18:14,161
they should not have to enforce

1731
01:18:14,161 --> 01:18:17,164
this agreement. I adore them. I want to see

1732
01:18:17,164 --> 01:18:19,564
the chief make goofy

1733
01:18:20,167 --> 01:18:23,767
videos. We loved it. We applauded,

1734
01:18:25,172 --> 01:18:26,173
we laughed and cheered so it crushes

1735
01:18:26,173 --> 01:18:28,173
me when I

1736
01:18:28,175 --> 01:18:29,176
hear people I genuinely love and respect in

1737
01:18:29,176 --> 01:18:31,576
this room, on this

1738
01:18:32,179 --> 01:18:35,182
dais say ice won't affect us.

1739
01:18:35,182 --> 01:18:37,184
I am so tired of hearing that

1740
01:18:37,184 --> 01:18:40,153
because it rips apart systems we all depend on.

1741
01:18:40,153 --> 01:18:43,156
you all said elevate florida was worth funding if it

1742
01:18:43,156 --> 01:18:44,157
helped save one resident. If ending 287g

1743
01:18:44,157 --> 01:18:46,157
protects one

1744
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:50,160
caregiver or home health worker

1745
01:18:53,166 --> 01:18:54,168
or family you know what

1746
01:18:54,168 --> 01:18:55,169
to do. We the people are giving you

1747
01:18:55,169 --> 01:18:56,170
permission to end this.

1748
01:18:56,170 --> 01:18:58,570
>> thank you very much.

1749
01:18:59,173 --> 01:19:01,173
laura?

1750
01:19:08,182 --> 01:19:10,182
>> laura,

1751
01:19:11,185 --> 01:19:14,154
ninth avenue south just adding

1752
01:19:14,154 --> 01:19:15,155
thoughts to the things

1753
01:19:15,155 --> 01:19:17,157
I've heard discussed here tonight.

1754
01:19:17,157 --> 01:19:19,157
excellent information about

1755
01:19:22,162 --> 01:19:23,163
the gabber and this other magazine if that is

1756
01:19:23,163 --> 01:19:25,163
true.

1757
01:19:26,166 --> 01:19:28,166
from my perspective,

1758
01:19:28,168 --> 01:19:29,169
I want to see my money go to the locally

1759
01:19:29,169 --> 01:19:30,170
owned, more democratically oriented

1760
01:19:30,170 --> 01:19:31,171
the

1761
01:19:31,171 --> 01:19:32,172
gabber which feels more in line with

1762
01:19:32,172 --> 01:19:34,572
the quirky, inclusive spirit

1763
01:19:35,175 --> 01:19:37,175
of gulfport

1764
01:19:38,178 --> 01:19:39,179
than an exclusive

1765
01:19:39,179 --> 01:19:43,183
billionaires supporting magazine like whatever lifestyle gulfport

1766
01:19:43,183 --> 01:19:47,154
that is. For someone who spends a

1767
01:19:47,154 --> 01:19:49,156
lot of her time talking about boycotting billionaires

1768
01:19:49,156 --> 01:19:53,160
I am definitely down with doing more of that.

1769
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:55,160
similarly or

1770
01:19:55,162 --> 01:19:58,762
relatedly, the comments tonight about acknowledging

1771
01:19:59,166 --> 01:20:01,166
our history, I

1772
01:20:01,168 --> 01:20:05,172
think that is so important. I really appreciated

1773
01:20:05,172 --> 01:20:08,172
that first comment that raised

1774
01:20:08,175 --> 01:20:11,178
the issue tonight and I want us to

1775
01:20:11,178 --> 01:20:14,181
look around in this room because

1776
01:20:14,181 --> 01:20:16,581
the demographics of gulfport

1777
01:20:17,184 --> 01:20:19,184
are 10% - 20%

1778
01:20:20,153 --> 01:20:22,153
people of color

1779
01:20:22,155 --> 01:20:26,159
and we rarely ever see that in this room.

1780
01:20:26,159 --> 01:20:28,559
I think that acknowledgment

1781
01:20:29,162 --> 01:20:32,165
, it's not the whole reason but plays a part.

1782
01:20:32,165 --> 01:20:35,169
if we look at this room right now

1783
01:20:35,169 --> 01:20:37,169
the

1784
01:20:37,171 --> 01:20:38,172
one person of color here doesn't even live here and

1785
01:20:38,172 --> 01:20:40,172
is representing our

1786
01:20:41,175 --> 01:20:43,175
newspaper.

1787
01:20:44,178 --> 01:20:47,181
so again, just the importance of that

1788
01:20:47,181 --> 01:20:50,181
acknowledgment. I live in north

1789
01:20:53,153 --> 01:20:54,154
gulfport where I see more

1790
01:20:54,154 --> 01:20:56,156
faces of color but I never see them down

1791
01:20:56,156 --> 01:20:58,158
here for these meetings are

1792
01:20:58,158 --> 01:20:59,159
at community-oriented events and I

1793
01:20:59,159 --> 01:21:00,160
would

1794
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:02,162
like that to change. I think and it

1795
01:21:02,162 --> 01:21:04,164
knowledge meant like that play a role

1796
01:21:04,164 --> 01:21:08,964
in that. And then of course with ice,

1797
01:21:11,171 --> 01:21:13,173
I did not realize

1798
01:21:13,173 --> 01:21:14,174
that agreement had been signed. All

1799
01:21:14,174 --> 01:21:16,176
of that agreement was new

1800
01:21:16,176 --> 01:21:18,178
to me tonight so if there is a way to

1801
01:21:18,178 --> 01:21:19,179
get gulfport out of that agreement, I agree with that.

1802
01:21:19,179 --> 01:21:21,179
>> who else?

1803
01:21:23,183 --> 01:21:25,183
lauren.

1804
01:21:29,156 --> 01:21:32,159
>> hello. Lauren stern 55th street south. First

1805
01:21:32,159 --> 01:21:35,162
I want to add my support of the

1806
01:21:35,162 --> 01:21:37,164
gabber and for gulfport spending full local

1807
01:21:37,164 --> 01:21:38,165
advertising money with their publication.

1808
01:21:38,165 --> 01:21:41,168
I am here to speak on

1809
01:21:41,168 --> 01:21:43,568
a few pieces of

1810
01:21:44,171 --> 01:21:45,172
context. First of all we cannot hang our hats on

1811
01:21:45,172 --> 01:21:47,172
hurricane money no

1812
01:21:47,174 --> 01:21:52,574
matter our compliance with this or any other proclamation.

1813
01:21:53,180 --> 01:21:54,181
for an article by the guardian, in july 2025

1814
01:21:54,181 --> 01:21:55,182
ron

1815
01:21:55,182 --> 01:21:56,183
desantis was under fire for spending

1816
01:21:56,183 --> 01:21:59,183
$20 million that he diverted from

1817
01:22:02,155 --> 01:22:05,155
disaster funding awarding contracts to

1818
01:22:05,158 --> 01:22:07,160
his friends and donors. We

1819
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:13,166
are clear who the bad guys are. Next, the state mandate

1820
01:22:13,166 --> 01:22:15,169
. A senior staff attorney with community justice

1821
01:22:15,169 --> 01:22:16,170
project,

1822
01:22:16,170 --> 01:22:18,172
a miami human rights organization is clear that these agreements

1823
01:22:18,172 --> 01:22:21,172
are not mandatory in this

1824
01:22:21,175 --> 01:22:22,176
state. What we see is

1825
01:22:22,176 --> 01:22:24,178
the governor and attorney general

1826
01:22:24,178 --> 01:22:26,180
using intimidation to force

1827
01:22:26,180 --> 01:22:27,181
cities to engage in conduct that far

1828
01:22:27,181 --> 01:22:29,181
exceeds

1829
01:22:29,183 --> 01:22:30,184
florida law requirements. The same

1830
01:22:30,184 --> 01:22:32,184
bad guys.

1831
01:22:32,186 --> 01:22:36,986
what can actually be done? One report found

1832
01:22:37,157 --> 01:22:39,159
that prison policy.org presents evidence

1833
01:22:39,159 --> 01:22:40,160
that arrest data show the power

1834
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:45,165
of state and local governments to curtail mass deportations. Despite

1835
01:22:45,165 --> 01:22:47,565
overwhelming displays of power

1836
01:22:48,168 --> 01:22:49,169
the federal government relies

1837
01:22:49,169 --> 01:22:51,171
heavily on state and local collaboration to

1838
01:22:51,171 --> 01:22:53,171
enact mass deportation

1839
01:22:54,174 --> 01:22:56,174
agenda. This administration

1840
01:22:58,178 --> 01:22:59,179
goes beyond merely limiting sheriffs

1841
01:22:59,179 --> 01:23:00,180
and police from deputizing officers

1842
01:23:00,180 --> 01:23:02,580
to work for immigration.

1843
01:23:03,183 --> 01:23:04,184
this is

1844
01:23:04,184 --> 01:23:08,155
evident in the data which shows jumps

1845
01:23:08,155 --> 01:23:12,159
in states where advocates have aggressively worked

1846
01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:14,159
to reject collaboration

1847
01:23:14,161 --> 01:23:15,162
. Why am I wearing a jewish start

1848
01:23:15,162 --> 01:23:17,162
tonight?

1849
01:23:18,165 --> 01:23:19,166
I spent a few hours

1850
01:23:19,166 --> 01:23:23,966
visiting the holocaust museum. I read every plaque

1851
01:23:27,174 --> 01:23:28,175
, looked at every photo.

1852
01:23:28,175 --> 01:23:29,176
historical context matters and you know what? How did

1853
01:23:29,176 --> 01:23:30,177
that begin? Government mandates implemented

1854
01:23:30,177 --> 01:23:32,177
town by

1855
01:23:32,179 --> 01:23:33,180
town and we know how that ended. We

1856
01:23:33,180 --> 01:23:34,181
know

1857
01:23:34,181 --> 01:23:37,184
it's wrong then and we know it's wrong now.

1858
01:23:37,184 --> 01:23:38,185
are we too afraid to hold the line

1859
01:23:38,185 --> 01:23:42,155
against the bad guys? We are not being

1860
01:23:42,155 --> 01:23:44,555
asked to hold that .

1861
01:23:45,158 --> 01:23:46,159
they are not the in my

1862
01:23:46,159 --> 01:23:48,161
metaphor tonight. They show up every day

1863
01:23:48,161 --> 01:23:50,561
to do their jobs.

1864
01:23:51,164 --> 01:23:53,166
I know they want

1865
01:23:53,166 --> 01:23:54,168
to serve and protect. Let's change the

1866
01:23:54,168 --> 01:23:57,171
job description back to what it

1867
01:23:57,171 --> 01:23:59,171
was

1868
01:24:00,174 --> 01:24:01,175
so they can focus

1869
01:24:01,175 --> 01:24:03,177
on that priority. Let's revoke our agreement

1870
01:24:03,177 --> 01:24:05,177
of

1871
01:24:06,180 --> 01:24:07,181
--finding our friends and neighbors.

1872
01:24:07,181 --> 01:24:09,181
>> who else?

1873
01:24:09,183 --> 01:24:11,583
is there anybody else?

1874
01:24:15,155 --> 01:24:18,158
you will be next, back row.

1875
01:24:18,158 --> 01:24:20,158
hi.

1876
01:24:23,163 --> 01:24:26,163
>> eliza sydney, jersey avenue gulfport.

1877
01:24:26,166 --> 01:24:27,167
I had something prepared with data

1878
01:24:27,167 --> 01:24:29,167
and

1879
01:24:29,169 --> 01:24:32,172
stats and figures around the 287g

1880
01:24:32,172 --> 01:24:36,176
agreement but I decided to speak from my

1881
01:24:36,176 --> 01:24:38,176
heart tonight .

1882
01:24:38,178 --> 01:24:39,179
at the christmas tree lighting care and you mentioned that

1883
01:24:39,179 --> 01:24:40,180
many

1884
01:24:40,180 --> 01:24:42,182
young families are now moving to gulfport.

1885
01:24:42,182 --> 01:24:43,183
I am one of

1886
01:24:43,183 --> 01:24:48,155
those families mentioned earlier with a baby and a toddler

1887
01:24:48,155 --> 01:24:49,156
and hearing of our resources going to

1888
01:24:49,156 --> 01:24:51,156
a 287g agreement

1889
01:24:51,158 --> 01:24:53,158
doesn't

1890
01:24:54,161 --> 01:24:56,561
make us feel safer.

1891
01:24:57,164 --> 01:24:59,164
we've seen enough

1892
01:25:02,169 --> 01:25:03,170
verifiable evidence, we've seen data

1893
01:25:03,170 --> 01:25:05,170
and

1894
01:25:05,172 --> 01:25:08,175
statistics about abuses of power going on

1895
01:25:08,175 --> 01:25:09,176
and I'm sure many of us in this room

1896
01:25:09,176 --> 01:25:10,177
have

1897
01:25:10,177 --> 01:25:12,179
may be dealt with someone who has abused

1898
01:25:12,179 --> 01:25:14,179
power before.

1899
01:25:15,182 --> 01:25:17,582
like one presenter earlier

1900
01:25:18,185 --> 01:25:20,153
mentioned, what you are told , there's

1901
01:25:20,153 --> 01:25:21,154
what you told is the reasoning and there's the

1902
01:25:21,154 --> 01:25:23,154
actual date.

1903
01:25:23,156 --> 01:25:27,160
there's also what you can see as evidence with your own

1904
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:29,160
eyes.

1905
01:25:30,163 --> 01:25:31,164
I've seen gulfport come together

1906
01:25:31,164 --> 01:25:33,166
as a community in the face of challenge before

1907
01:25:33,166 --> 01:25:34,168
and gulfport will

1908
01:25:34,168 --> 01:25:36,170
stand up for our neighbors and make

1909
01:25:36,170 --> 01:25:38,172
sure they are safe.

1910
01:25:38,172 --> 01:25:39,173
we are proud of our leadership and we

1911
01:25:39,173 --> 01:25:41,173
encouraged you

1912
01:25:42,176 --> 01:25:45,179
to act with courage and clarity over fear.

1913
01:25:45,179 --> 01:25:47,179
thank you.

1914
01:25:48,182 --> 01:25:50,182
>> thank you.

1915
01:25:57,157 --> 01:26:00,160
>> hello. Matthew galvin 15th avenue south.

1916
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:03,163
I've heard a lot that I agree with,

1917
01:26:03,163 --> 01:26:06,163
I am specific coming to

1918
01:26:06,166 --> 01:26:09,166
talk about the 287g issue.

1919
01:26:09,169 --> 01:26:11,569
I've heard very well

1920
01:26:12,172 --> 01:26:14,172
presented

1921
01:26:14,174 --> 01:26:16,176
arguments about it and I'm not going to try

1922
01:26:16,176 --> 01:26:17,177
to say anything more than that, I am

1923
01:26:17,177 --> 01:26:21,181
a citizen who would agree with I think

1924
01:26:21,181 --> 01:26:22,182
,

1925
01:26:22,182 --> 01:26:24,184
the necessity of rescinding this agreement,

1926
01:26:24,184 --> 01:26:30,184
stepping back. My general sense of this town is that

1927
01:26:36,163 --> 01:26:38,165
I think of it as

1928
01:26:38,165 --> 01:26:39,166
small and insular apart from the rest of the country and there is a

1929
01:26:39,166 --> 01:26:41,166
sense of

1930
01:26:42,169 --> 01:26:44,169
dark clouds looming

1931
01:26:45,172 --> 01:26:46,173
when we listen to the news and we are worried

1932
01:26:46,173 --> 01:26:47,174
about

1933
01:26:47,174 --> 01:26:48,175
this. One thing I would just observe is that

1934
01:26:48,175 --> 01:26:50,175
this agreement

1935
01:26:51,178 --> 01:26:55,378
as I understand it is a direct

1936
01:26:56,183 --> 01:26:57,184
link between our small town we are trying to

1937
01:26:57,184 --> 01:26:59,584
keep safe and protected,

1938
01:27:00,153 --> 01:27:02,153
and some

1939
01:27:02,155 --> 01:27:05,755
of these larger looming dart clouds.

1940
01:27:06,159 --> 01:27:08,559
that is a link

1941
01:27:09,162 --> 01:27:12,165
that I would like to see

1942
01:27:12,165 --> 01:27:13,166
severed. Thank you.

1943
01:27:13,166 --> 01:27:15,166
>> I think

1944
01:27:15,169 --> 01:27:18,172
I saw one more hand. We've got quite

1945
01:27:18,172 --> 01:27:20,572
a few more. Amy?

1946
01:27:24,178 --> 01:27:28,378
we will do amy, wolf and susan.

1947
01:27:30,184 --> 01:27:31,185
I cannot see you at all back there.

1948
01:27:31,185 --> 01:27:32,186
>> hello everyone.

1949
01:27:32,186 --> 01:27:34,154
gulfport resident 20th avenue south

1950
01:27:34,154 --> 01:27:36,154
midtown business collective.

1951
01:27:37,157 --> 01:27:39,557
a couple things. Yes,

1952
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:42,160
please consider

1953
01:27:45,165 --> 01:27:47,167
rescinding the agreement with ice.

1954
01:27:47,167 --> 01:27:49,169
I know you were not the ones who put it in

1955
01:27:49,169 --> 01:27:52,169
place. Our officers should not

1956
01:27:52,172 --> 01:27:53,173
be subject to making those

1957
01:27:53,173 --> 01:27:58,178
decisions and harming people the way that we've seen.

1958
01:27:58,178 --> 01:27:59,179
we've heard all the things,

1959
01:27:59,179 --> 01:28:01,181
we know what the right thing to do is

1960
01:28:01,181 --> 01:28:02,182
so I urge you

1961
01:28:02,182 --> 01:28:04,184
to change that agreement and get rid of

1962
01:28:04,184 --> 01:28:06,584
it. Number two, as

1963
01:28:07,154 --> 01:28:10,157
far as the the gabber goes, I

1964
01:28:10,157 --> 01:28:12,557
write for gulfport living

1965
01:28:15,162 --> 01:28:16,163
as the voice of the town business

1966
01:28:16,163 --> 01:28:18,165
collective to share what's going on

1967
01:28:18,165 --> 01:28:19,166
in the midtown area. I have no dog

1968
01:28:19,166 --> 01:28:20,167
in the

1969
01:28:20,167 --> 01:28:21,168
fight whether that gets funding or

1970
01:28:21,168 --> 01:28:23,170
not. I do agree it is a smaller publication

1971
01:28:23,170 --> 01:28:24,171
that does not go out to everyone and

1972
01:28:24,171 --> 01:28:25,172
have had many conversations about

1973
01:28:25,172 --> 01:28:27,172
expanding

1974
01:28:27,174 --> 01:28:31,374
that-- the word is escaping me. Circulation.

1975
01:28:34,181 --> 01:28:35,182
that's out of our

1976
01:28:35,182 --> 01:28:37,184
control. However I do believe in fairness so

1977
01:28:37,184 --> 01:28:39,184
if you're

1978
01:28:39,186 --> 01:28:40,153
going to support any publication you should support

1979
01:28:40,153 --> 01:28:42,153
all the publications

1980
01:28:43,156 --> 01:28:45,556
and I also think

1981
01:28:46,159 --> 01:28:48,161
the gabber should be fair

1982
01:28:48,161 --> 01:28:49,162
in their reporting and articles and

1983
01:28:49,162 --> 01:28:52,165
who they allowed to write and

1984
01:28:52,165 --> 01:28:54,165
the vibe

1985
01:28:54,168 --> 01:28:55,169
that is shared. I moved here five years ago

1986
01:28:55,169 --> 01:28:57,169
and I used

1987
01:28:58,172 --> 01:29:00,174
to save every issue

1988
01:29:00,174 --> 01:29:01,175
like a weirdo and I loved reading

1989
01:29:01,175 --> 01:29:02,176
it.

1990
01:29:02,176 --> 01:29:03,177
I would get it every weekend it was

1991
01:29:03,177 --> 01:29:04,178
the highlight and now, you know, not

1992
01:29:04,178 --> 01:29:05,179
so

1993
01:29:05,179 --> 01:29:07,181
much. Things have changed. I think

1994
01:29:07,181 --> 01:29:09,183
we all need to look

1995
01:29:09,183 --> 01:29:11,185
at what is in the gabber and maybe

1996
01:29:11,185 --> 01:29:12,186
come together on some agreements there.

1997
01:29:12,186 --> 01:29:16,156
enough about all that. Onto some good

1998
01:29:16,156 --> 01:29:18,556
stuff . As a reminder

1999
01:29:19,159 --> 01:29:22,162
on february 1 gulfport pride is putting on

2000
01:29:22,162 --> 01:29:28,162
for the love of gulfport . It is a community day

2001
01:29:30,170 --> 01:29:32,172
of charlie market square so we encourage

2002
01:29:32,172 --> 01:29:33,173
everyone to come. It's from 11 -4:00.

2003
01:29:33,173 --> 01:29:36,773
the senior center foundation is hosting

2004
01:29:39,179 --> 01:29:43,183
a jazz, blues and folk festival concert series

2005
01:29:43,183 --> 01:29:44,184
on the 24th which is a fundraiser

2006
01:29:44,184 --> 01:29:45,185
for

2007
01:29:45,185 --> 01:29:46,153
the foundation as well as january

2008
01:29:46,153 --> 01:29:48,153
31, our

2009
01:29:49,156 --> 01:29:51,556
casino night and another

2010
01:29:52,159 --> 01:29:53,160
fundraiser

2011
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:54,161
for the foundation which we know supports

2012
01:29:54,161 --> 01:29:58,361
our senior center so we encourage everyone

2013
01:30:01,168 --> 01:30:03,168
to

2014
01:30:03,170 --> 01:30:04,171
come out and get tickets for that. It's a fun night of

2015
01:30:04,171 --> 01:30:05,172
casino gaming,

2016
01:30:05,172 --> 01:30:06,173
poker tables, slot machines, all for

2017
01:30:06,173 --> 01:30:07,174
charity, all for a great cause and

2018
01:30:07,174 --> 01:30:09,574
keep doing the good

2019
01:30:10,177 --> 01:30:11,178
work. Thank you.

2020
01:30:11,178 --> 01:30:13,178
>> wolfgang?

2021
01:30:16,183 --> 01:30:17,184
susan you will be next.

2022
01:30:17,184 --> 01:30:19,186
>> thank you, mayor and council.

2023
01:30:19,186 --> 01:30:21,186
gulfport grassroots

2024
01:30:22,155 --> 01:30:23,156
. We do the

2025
01:30:23,156 --> 01:30:25,158
monthly beyond the beach cleanups

2026
01:30:25,158 --> 01:30:26,159
and

2027
01:30:26,159 --> 01:30:28,161
I told you at the last meeting that

2028
01:30:28,161 --> 01:30:30,161
I was at

2029
01:30:30,163 --> 01:30:31,164
, last year we collected over a ton

2030
01:30:31,164 --> 01:30:33,564
of trash and debris

2031
01:30:34,168 --> 01:30:36,170
from our waterfront and

2032
01:30:36,170 --> 01:30:40,174
downtown areas. I thought that was a great accomplishment.

2033
01:30:40,174 --> 01:30:42,174
our first

2034
01:30:43,177 --> 01:30:46,180
cleanup of this year was on january 10

2035
01:30:46,180 --> 01:30:48,180
. 32 people , volunteers

2036
01:30:49,183 --> 01:30:51,183
showed

2037
01:30:52,186 --> 01:30:55,155
up and they gathered a total of 242 pounds of trash

2038
01:30:55,155 --> 01:30:58,155
from the beach area and

2039
01:30:58,158 --> 01:31:00,158
downtown area.

2040
01:31:01,161 --> 01:31:05,961
we had volunteers going out in the water

2041
01:31:07,167 --> 01:31:09,167
beyond the casino

2042
01:31:09,169 --> 01:31:10,170
area, dragging in large pieces of steel

2043
01:31:10,170 --> 01:31:12,170
that attributed

2044
01:31:12,172 --> 01:31:15,772
to those 200+ pounds. A great accomplishment.

2045
01:31:19,179 --> 01:31:20,180
we have two events scheduled

2046
01:31:20,180 --> 01:31:22,182
for february. We have our regular

2047
01:31:22,182 --> 01:31:24,582
beyond the beach cleanup

2048
01:31:25,185 --> 01:31:27,585
on february 14, valentine's day,

2049
01:31:28,155 --> 01:31:31,155
and also on the seventh

2050
01:31:31,158 --> 01:31:35,358
we are going to join in cleanup

2051
01:31:37,164 --> 01:31:39,166
of the lincoln cemetery.

2052
01:31:39,166 --> 01:31:43,170
we will be cleaning up and manicuring that area with

2053
01:31:43,170 --> 01:31:45,170
a councilperson

2054
01:31:46,173 --> 01:31:48,173
and the group

2055
01:31:48,175 --> 01:31:52,179
he has put together. So I am excited about

2056
01:31:52,179 --> 01:31:54,181
that. Looking ahead into march

2057
01:31:54,181 --> 01:31:55,182
of course we have our regular beyond

2058
01:31:55,182 --> 01:31:57,182
the

2059
01:31:57,184 --> 01:32:02,584
beach cleanup and will also have a bayou cleanup.

2060
01:32:04,157 --> 01:32:05,158
I'm not

2061
01:32:05,158 --> 01:32:07,160
sure of the dates yet, I don't think

2062
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:09,162
it has been set from the city of

2063
01:32:09,162 --> 01:32:10,163
gulfport. And then looking further

2064
01:32:10,163 --> 01:32:12,163
ahead into april,

2065
01:32:12,165 --> 01:32:13,166
april is going to be a fun month because

2066
01:32:13,166 --> 01:32:16,170
we are going to be doing the

2067
01:32:16,170 --> 01:32:18,172
swap and drop april 11

2068
01:32:18,172 --> 01:32:19,173
. That is essentially the same thing

2069
01:32:19,173 --> 01:32:21,573
we used to do

2070
01:32:22,176 --> 01:32:25,179
and call junk in the trunk

2071
01:32:25,179 --> 01:32:28,182
where people can just bring trash

2072
01:32:28,182 --> 01:32:30,182
and the city

2073
01:32:31,185 --> 01:32:33,153
will gather it up

2074
01:32:33,153 --> 01:32:37,157
. Also anything good, and it's good timing because

2075
01:32:37,157 --> 01:32:38,158
a

2076
01:32:38,158 --> 01:32:40,160
couple of weeks before then we have

2077
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:42,162
a citywide yard sale so folks will be going

2078
01:32:42,162 --> 01:32:43,163
through their homes for the yard sale

2079
01:32:43,163 --> 01:32:44,164
and I

2080
01:32:44,164 --> 01:32:46,166
remember anything left over they can

2081
01:32:46,166 --> 01:32:48,566
bring and drop off ,

2082
01:32:49,169 --> 01:32:51,569
we will have tables

2083
01:32:52,172 --> 01:32:55,175
and be placing those things out on

2084
01:32:55,175 --> 01:32:58,178
tables so other residents can go through it

2085
01:32:58,178 --> 01:33:01,181
and gather up things they might

2086
01:33:01,181 --> 01:33:04,181
need around their homes. That's

2087
01:33:05,185 --> 01:33:08,155
as far as I'm going. Thank you.

2088
01:33:08,155 --> 01:33:10,155
>> thank you. Susan?

2089
01:33:14,161 --> 01:33:16,161
>> thank you.

2090
01:33:16,163 --> 01:33:20,167
good to see you at the mlk parade, mayor.

2091
01:33:20,167 --> 01:33:22,167
>>

2092
01:33:23,170 --> 01:33:25,172
it was great and a very good

2093
01:33:25,172 --> 01:33:29,176
parade. I was with the interfaith group.

2094
01:33:29,176 --> 01:33:30,177
being engaged is

2095
01:33:30,177 --> 01:33:34,377
critical to democracy and democracy is messy.

2096
01:33:35,182 --> 01:33:36,183
I am going

2097
01:33:36,183 --> 01:33:37,184
to take a position people will be

2098
01:33:37,184 --> 01:33:41,154
surprised by. In my opinion the 287g

2099
01:33:41,154 --> 01:33:43,154
of course

2100
01:33:44,157 --> 01:33:45,158
--the horse is out

2101
01:33:45,158 --> 01:33:47,160
of the barn. Having a signed agreement

2102
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:48,161
puts

2103
01:33:48,161 --> 01:33:51,164
the city, like others, in a position of attempting

2104
01:33:51,164 --> 01:33:54,168
to sue the federal government and

2105
01:33:54,168 --> 01:33:58,968
that is not going to work. My point

2106
01:33:59,173 --> 01:34:02,176
is more, how did this happen?

2107
01:34:02,176 --> 01:34:05,179
how did city council not get

2108
01:34:05,179 --> 01:34:08,179
advised or informed or educated

2109
01:34:08,182 --> 01:34:09,183
and have an opportunity to

2110
01:34:09,183 --> 01:34:12,783
represent the people who elected you?

2111
01:34:14,154 --> 01:34:17,154
because you do care, and

2112
01:34:17,157 --> 01:34:20,160
we care, and you work hard at this. So how did

2113
01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:22,160
this happen? And

2114
01:34:23,163 --> 01:34:25,563
what can be changed

2115
01:34:28,168 --> 01:34:29,169
to change the way small town business

2116
01:34:29,169 --> 01:34:31,569
as usual has happened

2117
01:34:32,172 --> 01:34:34,174
here for years and years?

2118
01:34:34,174 --> 01:34:38,178
and a number of the topics we've heard. Trust

2119
01:34:38,178 --> 01:34:40,178
requires accountability.

2120
01:34:41,181 --> 01:34:44,181
third point, knowledge is power.

2121
01:34:47,154 --> 01:34:48,155
preparedness. This

2122
01:34:48,155 --> 01:34:50,157
council has done one heck of a good job

2123
01:34:50,157 --> 01:34:53,157
working toward preparedness for future

2124
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:55,160
hurricanes,

2125
01:34:56,163 --> 01:34:58,165
but knowledge is only power

2126
01:34:58,165 --> 01:34:59,166
if you believe something is possible. Hundreds

2127
01:34:59,166 --> 01:35:01,566
of cars were flooded

2128
01:35:05,172 --> 01:35:06,173
in

2129
01:35:06,173 --> 01:35:07,174
the town shores parking lots and elsewhere

2130
01:35:07,174 --> 01:35:08,175
not because people didn't know the

2131
01:35:08,175 --> 01:35:10,177
hurricane was coming but

2132
01:35:10,177 --> 01:35:11,178
because they did not believe it could happen here.

2133
01:35:11,178 --> 01:35:13,178
and

2134
01:35:16,183 --> 01:35:20,153
I would make the analogy, if you do not believe ice

2135
01:35:20,153 --> 01:35:22,153
can come here,

2136
01:35:23,156 --> 01:35:26,159
you are thinking you control hurricanes.

2137
01:35:26,159 --> 01:35:28,159
so

2138
01:35:29,162 --> 01:35:30,163
what can council do? If you are

2139
01:35:30,163 --> 01:35:34,963
not going to attempt to rescind and attempt

2140
01:35:35,169 --> 01:35:37,171
to sue the federal government,

2141
01:35:37,171 --> 01:35:38,172
I believe knowledge is power and workshops that are

2142
01:35:38,172 --> 01:35:40,172
information based

2143
01:35:41,175 --> 01:35:42,176
,

2144
01:35:42,176 --> 01:35:45,176
that provide information and insight

2145
01:35:47,181 --> 01:35:48,182
into what is in the memorandum of

2146
01:35:48,182 --> 01:35:50,182
agreement,

2147
01:35:50,184 --> 01:35:51,185
which I have read and it is scary,

2148
01:35:51,185 --> 01:35:53,153
and

2149
01:35:53,153 --> 01:35:56,156
to inform citizens of our rights of expression, of

2150
01:35:56,156 --> 01:35:58,156
free speech, of

2151
01:35:59,159 --> 01:36:01,161
free assembly and what we can

2152
01:36:01,161 --> 01:36:02,162
legally do, is critical. Because to

2153
01:36:02,162 --> 01:36:04,162
say

2154
01:36:05,165 --> 01:36:07,565
it can't happen here

2155
01:36:08,168 --> 01:36:11,768
is to not believe in hurricanes.

2156
01:36:14,174 --> 01:36:15,175
>> I think everybody who wanted

2157
01:36:15,175 --> 01:36:17,177
to speak up, I'm sorry, mary. I don't

2158
01:36:17,177 --> 01:36:20,180
know why everybody is so timid. It's

2159
01:36:20,180 --> 01:36:22,180
7:30. We in

2160
01:36:23,183 --> 01:36:24,184
here an hour and a half. If you want

2161
01:36:24,184 --> 01:36:26,184
to

2162
01:36:26,186 --> 01:36:28,586
speak, come on up.

2163
01:36:29,156 --> 01:36:31,158
>> we all want to be the

2164
01:36:31,158 --> 01:36:34,758
last. Mary henry seventh avenue south

2165
01:36:35,162 --> 01:36:38,165
and I also want to speak

2166
01:36:38,165 --> 01:36:41,165
about it so I will

2167
01:36:41,168 --> 01:36:43,168
summarize my points.

2168
01:36:45,172 --> 01:36:47,174
I am concerned about how this agreement was signed back

2169
01:36:47,174 --> 01:36:50,177
in february of last year without

2170
01:36:50,177 --> 01:36:51,178
council being involved in the policy

2171
01:36:51,178 --> 01:36:53,178
decision.

2172
01:36:53,180 --> 01:36:55,580
I'd like the police

2173
01:36:56,183 --> 01:36:57,184
or

2174
01:36:57,184 --> 01:36:59,186
council to explain what the current status and

2175
01:36:59,186 --> 01:37:01,186
process

2176
01:37:02,155 --> 01:37:04,555
and procedure is in

2177
01:37:05,158 --> 01:37:08,158
gulfport if someone is stopped.

2178
01:37:08,161 --> 01:37:10,561
how does that work?

2179
01:37:11,164 --> 01:37:13,164
they

2180
01:37:13,166 --> 01:37:14,168
explained something to us but I'm not sure

2181
01:37:14,168 --> 01:37:17,171
that stands from last year. I'm concerned about the city

2182
01:37:17,171 --> 01:37:19,171
paying

2183
01:37:19,173 --> 01:37:20,174
for police time to go to training for ice

2184
01:37:20,174 --> 01:37:22,174
which, and

2185
01:37:23,177 --> 01:37:24,178
I would like to compliment amy for

2186
01:37:24,178 --> 01:37:26,178
her excellent first

2187
01:37:26,180 --> 01:37:27,181
speech

2188
01:37:27,181 --> 01:37:29,183
because she summarized so beautifully

2189
01:37:29,183 --> 01:37:31,185
all the points of

2190
01:37:31,185 --> 01:37:32,186
why we don't want a 287g and why we

2191
01:37:32,186 --> 01:37:34,186
don't want ice,

2192
01:37:35,155 --> 01:37:37,157
and how we would

2193
01:37:37,157 --> 01:37:42,162
like the city to be. So I would request

2194
01:37:42,162 --> 01:37:44,162
that

2195
01:37:45,165 --> 01:37:46,166
a workshop is a

2196
01:37:46,166 --> 01:37:50,966
good idea, be the police can educate us

2197
01:37:51,171 --> 01:37:54,171
. We have copies of that,

2198
01:37:54,174 --> 01:37:56,574
it's 14 pages of legalese

2199
01:37:57,177 --> 01:37:58,178
which is hard reading.

2200
01:37:58,178 --> 01:38:00,180
and also what that means in practice.

2201
01:38:00,180 --> 01:38:02,182
if I am stop

2202
01:38:02,182 --> 01:38:05,782
, what are my rights and responsibilities?

2203
01:38:06,186 --> 01:38:08,155
and I think

2204
01:38:08,155 --> 01:38:11,158
council should also understand all of 287g

2205
01:38:11,158 --> 01:38:14,161
before they decide whether or not to rescind.

2206
01:38:14,161 --> 01:38:18,165
personally I would like to rescind it

2207
01:38:18,165 --> 01:38:19,166
but I understand the risks

2208
01:38:19,166 --> 01:38:24,171
for doing that. So appreciate it and a workshop

2209
01:38:24,171 --> 01:38:27,174
where all of us can learn

2210
01:38:27,174 --> 01:38:28,175
would be a good idea.

2211
01:38:28,175 --> 01:38:29,176
>>

2212
01:38:29,176 --> 01:38:34,181
we are going to go to e comments. City clerk?

2213
01:38:34,181 --> 01:38:38,381
>> I did have a total of 77 comments.

2214
01:38:39,186 --> 01:38:41,154
12 were residents, one

2215
01:38:41,154 --> 01:38:45,158
was here this evening and three of those

2216
01:38:45,158 --> 01:38:48,161
are identical in nature so it

2217
01:38:48,161 --> 01:38:50,163
looks like a form

2218
01:38:50,163 --> 01:38:51,164
letter to me so that would take it

2219
01:38:51,164 --> 01:38:53,164
down to

2220
01:38:53,166 --> 01:38:54,168
about nine. 65 nonresidents , 76 of

2221
01:38:54,168 --> 01:38:56,168
the

2222
01:38:57,171 --> 01:39:00,171
comments were about ice and

2223
01:39:00,174 --> 01:39:02,574
did not want us

2224
01:39:03,177 --> 01:39:04,178
to sign.

2225
01:39:04,178 --> 01:39:06,180
one comment was about lincoln cemeteries

2226
01:39:06,180 --> 01:39:08,180
so it's

2227
01:39:09,183 --> 01:39:11,183
up

2228
01:39:12,186 --> 01:39:13,187
to you if you would like me

2229
01:39:13,187 --> 01:39:14,154
to read any or all of these.

2230
01:39:14,154 --> 01:39:15,155
>> I think you should read,

2231
01:39:15,155 --> 01:39:16,156
I'm going to respond, I think that

2232
01:39:16,156 --> 01:39:18,156
you should

2233
01:39:18,158 --> 01:39:20,558
read the comments from

2234
01:39:23,163 --> 01:39:24,164
our residents that are not here. I

2235
01:39:24,164 --> 01:39:27,167
thought there might be two people here

2236
01:39:27,167 --> 01:39:28,168
that you had

2237
01:39:28,168 --> 01:39:30,170
comments from but if you think just one?

2238
01:39:30,170 --> 01:39:33,173
it's okay, it's okay. Not worth arguing about.

2239
01:39:33,173 --> 01:39:36,173
on the other, you are

2240
01:39:36,176 --> 01:39:37,177
telling us there are

2241
01:39:37,177 --> 01:39:39,179
60 something from people that do not

2242
01:39:39,179 --> 01:39:41,181
live in gulfport and who do

2243
01:39:41,181 --> 01:39:42,182
not want us to sign the 287g? I think

2244
01:39:42,182 --> 01:39:44,182
we've

2245
01:39:44,184 --> 01:39:48,155
heard that enough. I don't want to spend another minute.

2246
01:39:48,155 --> 01:39:49,156
I feel

2247
01:39:49,156 --> 01:39:51,158
differently about residence than folks from out of town

2248
01:39:51,158 --> 01:39:53,158
and I believe

2249
01:39:54,161 --> 01:39:55,162
that the lincoln

2250
01:39:55,162 --> 01:39:57,164
cemetery is from someone from both port

2251
01:39:57,164 --> 01:39:59,164
and

2252
01:40:00,167 --> 01:40:03,767
that should be read, as well.

2253
01:40:06,173 --> 01:40:08,573
>> are we going to

2254
01:40:09,176 --> 01:40:10,177
do that? Comment whether we

2255
01:40:10,177 --> 01:40:11,178
want the public comments read.

2256
01:40:11,178 --> 01:40:12,179
>>

2257
01:40:12,179 --> 01:40:14,179
okay I will

2258
01:40:15,182 --> 01:40:18,185
agree with the mayor to read gulfport

2259
01:40:18,185 --> 01:40:19,186
citizen comments.

2260
01:40:19,186 --> 01:40:21,154
>> that's fine, that's good.

2261
01:40:21,154 --> 01:40:23,154
>>

2262
01:40:24,157 --> 01:40:26,157
I understand that

2263
01:40:26,159 --> 01:40:30,163
we have a lot of time but I think

2264
01:40:30,163 --> 01:40:32,165
it's a bad accident to

2265
01:40:32,165 --> 01:40:33,166
set that when we set this procedure to have people

2266
01:40:33,166 --> 01:40:35,566
be able to email

2267
01:40:36,170 --> 01:40:38,570
their comments and then

2268
01:40:42,176 --> 01:40:44,176
not read them.

2269
01:40:45,179 --> 01:40:47,579
>> number one we have

2270
01:40:48,182 --> 01:40:49,183
a consensus on it .

2271
01:40:49,183 --> 01:40:51,183
>>

2272
01:40:51,185 --> 01:40:52,186
checking papers.

2273
01:40:52,186 --> 01:40:53,187
I know I'm out of line.

2274
01:40:53,187 --> 01:40:54,154
>> I know

2275
01:40:54,154 --> 01:40:56,554
I'm out of order

2276
01:40:57,157 --> 01:40:59,157
. I am not

2277
01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:03,160
a citizen in this state

2278
01:41:03,163 --> 01:41:04,164
.

2279
01:41:04,164 --> 01:41:06,166
>> what I was trying to say before

2280
01:41:06,166 --> 01:41:08,168
I was rudely interrupted,

2281
01:41:08,168 --> 01:41:13,568
we've heard a very clear consensus at this point.

2282
01:41:14,174 --> 01:41:15,175
we've heard what the people had to say and

2283
01:41:15,175 --> 01:41:17,175
what

2284
01:41:17,177 --> 01:41:18,178
residents have to say. We've heard it

2285
01:41:18,178 --> 01:41:20,178
loud and clear

2286
01:41:20,180 --> 01:41:21,181
and we are going to have a response

2287
01:41:21,181 --> 01:41:23,183
to that but we do

2288
01:41:23,183 --> 01:41:24,184
not need to hear it for another and a half

2289
01:41:24,184 --> 01:41:26,184
worth

2290
01:41:26,186 --> 01:41:30,157
of time so that's why I feel that way

2291
01:41:30,157 --> 01:41:33,157
and we have a consensus

2292
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:35,160
already, thank you.

2293
01:41:36,163 --> 01:41:37,164
>> that system

2294
01:41:37,164 --> 01:41:38,165
then, isn't working.

2295
01:41:38,165 --> 01:41:39,166
>> that's exactly

2296
01:41:39,166 --> 01:41:41,566
what we voted on.

2297
01:41:42,169 --> 01:41:44,169
if it

2298
01:41:44,171 --> 01:41:45,172
was redundant over and over and over

2299
01:41:45,172 --> 01:41:47,172
that

2300
01:41:47,174 --> 01:41:48,175
we would not read 70 something comments.

2301
01:41:48,175 --> 01:41:50,175
>> I support

2302
01:41:50,177 --> 01:41:51,178
the council decision to end its agreement

2303
01:41:51,178 --> 01:41:54,178
with ice. I believe the

2304
01:41:54,181 --> 01:41:56,183
separation of ice and local

2305
01:41:56,183 --> 01:41:57,184
police of that residents remain safe

2306
01:41:57,184 --> 01:41:59,184
regardless of

2307
01:42:00,153 --> 01:42:02,553
citizenship status. Thank you.

2308
01:42:03,156 --> 01:42:06,156
this was the same one

2309
01:42:06,159 --> 01:42:07,160
submitted by patrick doyle vicki doyle and sarah

2310
01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:09,162
fleming. I urge the city of

2311
01:42:09,162 --> 01:42:12,162
gulfport to end its 287g

2312
01:42:15,169 --> 01:42:16,170
agreement with ice. Local plea should not be

2313
01:42:16,170 --> 01:42:18,170
entangled. When police

2314
01:42:18,172 --> 01:42:19,173
take on the role of ice it blurs the

2315
01:42:19,173 --> 01:42:20,174
purpose

2316
01:42:20,174 --> 01:42:21,175
of local law enforcement and undermines

2317
01:42:21,175 --> 01:42:23,177
the trust that keeps communities safe.

2318
01:42:23,177 --> 01:42:26,777
residents who fear interaction with police

2319
01:42:29,183 --> 01:42:30,184
are less likely to report crimes,

2320
01:42:30,184 --> 01:42:33,187
seek help and cooperate with investigations.

2321
01:42:33,187 --> 01:42:35,587
that makes everyone less

2322
01:42:36,156 --> 01:42:37,157
safe. Debra commented tuesday,

2323
01:42:37,157 --> 01:42:39,557
january 20, 2026 from gulfport citizen

2324
01:42:42,162 --> 01:42:44,162
, gulfport mayor

2325
01:42:44,164 --> 01:42:47,167
karen, please be honest and transparent with constituents

2326
01:42:47,167 --> 01:42:48,168
that april 24, 2025 you met for a

2327
01:42:48,168 --> 01:42:50,168
scheduled meeting with

2328
01:42:51,171 --> 01:42:53,571
the senior resident and

2329
01:42:54,174 --> 01:42:55,175
resident at city hall and were

2330
01:42:55,175 --> 01:42:57,177
provided the gulfport city records

2331
01:42:57,177 --> 01:42:58,178
you

2332
01:42:58,178 --> 01:43:00,180
obtained documenting lincoln cemetery

2333
01:43:00,180 --> 01:43:02,180
annex petition is

2334
01:43:03,183 --> 01:43:07,154
not dated which is not legally compliant

2335
01:43:07,154 --> 01:43:09,154
with state law.

2336
01:43:10,157 --> 01:43:11,158
melissa, ice has no place

2337
01:43:11,158 --> 01:43:13,160
in our city working with gulfport pd.

2338
01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:15,160
they are

2339
01:43:15,162 --> 01:43:17,164
unconstitutional and go against everything gulfport stands for.

2340
01:43:17,164 --> 01:43:21,364
we need to end any agreement with

2341
01:43:22,169 --> 01:43:24,169
this abuse

2342
01:43:24,171 --> 01:43:25,172
of power.

2343
01:43:25,172 --> 01:43:28,175
>> I do not want gulfport to sign an agreement with ice.

2344
01:43:28,175 --> 01:43:30,175
I do

2345
01:43:30,177 --> 01:43:31,178
not want my taxes to support training for police

2346
01:43:31,178 --> 01:43:32,179
or any type of

2347
01:43:32,179 --> 01:43:34,181
agreement that facilitates their presence. I

2348
01:43:34,181 --> 01:43:35,182
urge council to vote no

2349
01:43:35,182 --> 01:43:37,184
on any proposal to cooperate with ice.

2350
01:43:37,184 --> 01:43:39,184
>> mj hodges.

2351
01:43:40,187 --> 01:43:42,155
please

2352
01:43:42,155 --> 01:43:45,158
keep ice out of gulfport. I do not support police

2353
01:43:45,158 --> 01:43:47,160
having any involvement whatsoever

2354
01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:52,165
and I hope we can encourage local businesses to support

2355
01:43:52,165 --> 01:43:54,165
or

2356
01:43:54,168 --> 01:43:55,169
be the cause of keeping ice out because ice is

2357
01:43:55,169 --> 01:43:56,170
acting unconstitutionally and

2358
01:43:56,170 --> 01:43:58,172
taking people who are indeed us citizens just

2359
01:43:58,172 --> 01:44:01,172
because of how they look.

2360
01:44:01,175 --> 01:44:02,176
I'm worried about my

2361
01:44:02,176 --> 01:44:04,178
stepdaughter who is asian american and hope

2362
01:44:04,178 --> 01:44:05,179
she can stay safe

2363
01:44:05,179 --> 01:44:10,184
as she rides her bike to and from work. Thank you.

2364
01:44:10,184 --> 01:44:12,184
and

2365
01:44:12,186 --> 01:44:13,187
mcmanus, I would like to go on record opposing 287g

2366
01:44:13,187 --> 01:44:14,154
and ending cooperation between gulfport

2367
01:44:14,154 --> 01:44:16,156
and ice. I believe our police department

2368
01:44:16,156 --> 01:44:17,157
is more than capable of handing the

2369
01:44:17,157 --> 01:44:21,161
needs of our city. The politicization of

2370
01:44:21,161 --> 01:44:22,162
the issue is creating unnecessary

2371
01:44:22,162 --> 01:44:23,163
damage

2372
01:44:23,163 --> 01:44:24,164
and I would hate to see this occurring.

2373
01:44:24,164 --> 01:44:27,764
please stand up for true democracy.

2374
01:44:33,173 --> 01:44:34,174
lori estes, local law enforcement should focus

2375
01:44:34,174 --> 01:44:35,175
on protecting us,

2376
01:44:35,175 --> 01:44:36,176
not enforcing federal immigration

2377
01:44:36,176 --> 01:44:37,177
law. I want 287g ended for the sake

2378
01:44:37,177 --> 01:44:39,177
of

2379
01:44:40,180 --> 01:44:41,181
our immigrant neighbors and to support

2380
01:44:41,181 --> 01:44:42,182
local

2381
01:44:42,182 --> 01:44:45,182
authorities addressing and maintaining peace

2382
01:44:45,185 --> 01:44:46,186
in our community. Local police must

2383
01:44:46,186 --> 01:44:47,154
be

2384
01:44:47,154 --> 01:44:50,754
trusted, not feared by gulfport residents.

2385
01:44:51,158 --> 01:44:52,159
neighbors and friends, this undermines

2386
01:44:52,159 --> 01:44:54,159
trust and depreciates

2387
01:44:54,161 --> 01:44:58,361
our sense of community. In person comments.

2388
01:45:09,176 --> 01:45:10,177
marian, I am opposed to the use of our

2389
01:45:10,177 --> 01:45:11,178
city of gulfport

2390
01:45:11,178 --> 01:45:13,180
police to work in any capacity as

2391
01:45:13,180 --> 01:45:16,183
agents of ice and they are our public defenders. That is all

2392
01:45:16,183 --> 01:45:19,186
the residence. -- that is all

2393
01:45:19,186 --> 01:45:20,187
residents.

2394
01:45:20,187 --> 01:45:22,155
>>

2395
01:45:22,155 --> 01:45:24,157
it has been a very long public

2396
01:45:24,157 --> 01:45:25,158
comment and we are not going to break

2397
01:45:25,158 --> 01:45:27,160
it this time so if anyone needs to make a run I

2398
01:45:27,160 --> 01:45:30,760
understand. We are going to proceed

2399
01:45:31,164 --> 01:45:33,564
into staff reports because

2400
01:45:37,171 --> 01:45:38,172
I think the

2401
01:45:38,172 --> 01:45:40,174
city manager has a lot of things he

2402
01:45:40,174 --> 01:45:41,175
might be able to answer and clear up.

2403
01:45:41,175 --> 01:45:43,175
being

2404
01:45:43,177 --> 01:45:46,177
that this council was not

2405
01:45:46,180 --> 01:45:48,180
on the dais ,

2406
01:45:49,183 --> 01:45:52,186
all six of us, I think two people may have been.

2407
01:45:52,186 --> 01:45:54,186
you were on

2408
01:45:55,155 --> 01:45:57,555
council by february correct?

2409
01:45:58,158 --> 01:46:00,158
there were

2410
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:03,163
a lot of things said to me tonight

2411
01:46:03,163 --> 01:46:04,164
and I wrote down notes especially

2412
01:46:04,164 --> 01:46:06,564
on the things that

2413
01:46:07,167 --> 01:46:09,169
I'm like wait, what?

2414
01:46:09,169 --> 01:46:13,173
that doesn't mean that they are true

2415
01:46:13,173 --> 01:46:15,173
. I

2416
01:46:15,175 --> 01:46:16,176
understand there's people that believe

2417
01:46:16,176 --> 01:46:19,179
they are true and I don't know if they

2418
01:46:19,179 --> 01:46:22,182
are true or not yet . So I'm going to

2419
01:46:22,182 --> 01:46:24,184
call on city manager on the

2420
01:46:24,184 --> 01:46:25,185
things I heard tonight that are now the questions I would

2421
01:46:25,185 --> 01:46:27,185
have as well

2422
01:46:28,155 --> 01:46:31,158
. Number one, I am not aware

2423
01:46:31,158 --> 01:46:33,160
of our officers training for ice

2424
01:46:33,160 --> 01:46:35,162
, and it will be up to you with you

2425
01:46:35,162 --> 01:46:37,164
want to have the chief address that

2426
01:46:37,164 --> 01:46:39,166
or not. Number two, I

2427
01:46:39,166 --> 01:46:42,169
was disturbed to hear people say that ice

2428
01:46:42,169 --> 01:46:46,173
lives in our town and we have troops

2429
01:46:46,173 --> 01:46:48,173
in our city.

2430
01:46:48,175 --> 01:46:49,176
I am on the streets every single day talking

2431
01:46:49,176 --> 01:46:52,176
to people every single day,

2432
01:46:52,179 --> 01:46:53,180
I drive

2433
01:46:53,180 --> 01:46:55,182
through town a minimum of twice a

2434
01:46:55,182 --> 01:46:58,185
day. I have not seen ice. I have seen people, residence post

2435
01:46:58,185 --> 01:47:00,185
fake photos

2436
01:47:01,154 --> 01:47:03,154
with an

2437
01:47:04,157 --> 01:47:06,557
ice vehicle in it

2438
01:47:07,160 --> 01:47:10,163
and brag about the fact well it

2439
01:47:10,163 --> 01:47:11,164
could be a reality but it has not been

2440
01:47:11,164 --> 01:47:12,165
to the best

2441
01:47:12,165 --> 01:47:13,166
of my knowledge. But I want to hear

2442
01:47:13,166 --> 01:47:16,166
what you have to say.

2443
01:47:16,170 --> 01:47:18,172
the third one I wanted to hear was

2444
01:47:18,172 --> 01:47:22,176
when people said we are giving our resources

2445
01:47:22,176 --> 01:47:24,176
to 287

2446
01:47:25,179 --> 01:47:27,181
I am unaware of that

2447
01:47:27,181 --> 01:47:31,185
and would like to be educated if that's the case.

2448
01:47:31,185 --> 01:47:33,185
and

2449
01:47:33,187 --> 01:47:34,154
I would like you to answer the question how

2450
01:47:34,154 --> 01:47:36,154
did it

2451
01:47:37,157 --> 01:47:38,158
happen that we signed the agreement?

2452
01:47:38,158 --> 01:47:39,159
because

2453
01:47:39,159 --> 01:47:40,160
all these people say they don't want

2454
01:47:40,160 --> 01:47:42,162
us to sign, I know this happened nearly a year

2455
01:47:42,162 --> 01:47:43,163
ago so I would like that addressed.

2456
01:47:43,163 --> 01:47:45,163
and

2457
01:47:46,166 --> 01:47:48,566
last but not least,

2458
01:47:49,169 --> 01:47:51,569
if it has changed,

2459
01:47:52,172 --> 01:47:54,172
to

2460
01:47:54,174 --> 01:47:55,175
address what the status and process is that the city

2461
01:47:55,175 --> 01:47:57,575
of gulfport agreed to.

2462
01:47:58,178 --> 01:48:00,578
does that sound good?

2463
01:48:01,181 --> 01:48:04,184
>> I have a copy for each of you

2464
01:48:04,184 --> 01:48:06,184
.

2465
01:48:07,154 --> 01:48:10,154
there is also a copy

2466
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:15,160
of the letter

2467
01:48:16,163 --> 01:48:17,164
that the city of key west received

2468
01:48:17,164 --> 01:48:18,165
from

2469
01:48:18,165 --> 01:48:22,365
the attorney general and it's very similar.

2470
01:48:25,172 --> 01:48:27,174
>> if need be because we have a lot of concerned

2471
01:48:27,174 --> 01:48:29,176
residents in our city that don't have

2472
01:48:29,176 --> 01:48:31,576
a copy of this.

2473
01:48:32,179 --> 01:48:33,180
even if you are going to

2474
01:48:33,180 --> 01:48:35,182
reference the letter which I have

2475
01:48:35,182 --> 01:48:38,182
seen, I would appreciate it

2476
01:48:43,156 --> 01:48:44,157
if you did read it so that they know because they would

2477
01:48:44,157 --> 01:48:46,157
like to hear

2478
01:48:46,159 --> 01:48:51,559
what was said from the state attorney general office.

2479
01:48:53,166 --> 01:48:55,166
>>

2480
01:48:55,169 --> 01:48:56,170
whether we agree or not is one issue.

2481
01:48:56,170 --> 01:48:57,171
whether we

2482
01:48:57,171 --> 01:48:59,173
are transparent or not is another

2483
01:48:59,173 --> 01:49:01,173
issue.

2484
01:49:02,176 --> 01:49:03,177
>>

2485
01:49:03,177 --> 01:49:05,179
mayor for clarification purposes as a requirement

2486
01:49:05,179 --> 01:49:07,179
, we

2487
01:49:08,182 --> 01:49:11,182
did have seven officers attend

2488
01:49:11,185 --> 01:49:13,185
training.

2489
01:49:14,154 --> 01:49:16,154
chief

2490
01:49:17,157 --> 01:49:20,160
farrand was one of them and I

2491
01:49:20,160 --> 01:49:22,160
will let her

2492
01:49:24,164 --> 01:49:26,166
respond when she returns from the

2493
01:49:26,166 --> 01:49:27,167
training.

2494
01:49:27,167 --> 01:49:29,169
>> was that specific to

2495
01:49:29,169 --> 01:49:30,170
working with ice?

2496
01:49:30,170 --> 01:49:32,170
>>

2497
01:49:33,173 --> 01:49:35,175
it's outlined in the agreement and was

2498
01:49:35,175 --> 01:49:37,177
a requirement that your officers

2499
01:49:37,177 --> 01:49:38,178
would entertain that training. We

2500
01:49:38,178 --> 01:49:39,179
did not pay

2501
01:49:39,179 --> 01:49:42,182
for that, yes it was on our time,

2502
01:49:42,182 --> 01:49:44,184
but we did not have to pay for any

2503
01:49:44,184 --> 01:49:46,584
costs associated with it

2504
01:49:47,187 --> 01:49:50,157
other than to attend and that

2505
01:49:50,157 --> 01:49:51,158
issue when it's

2506
01:49:51,158 --> 01:49:55,958
resolved I will have her speak to that.

2507
01:49:56,163 --> 01:49:58,163
>> thank you. >>

2508
01:49:59,166 --> 01:50:00,167
and you are correct, mayor. We

2509
01:50:00,167 --> 01:50:02,169
are unaware of any ice activity within the

2510
01:50:02,169 --> 01:50:04,169
city.

2511
01:50:05,172 --> 01:50:06,173
there

2512
01:50:06,173 --> 01:50:08,175
was that photo shopped picture at the library

2513
01:50:08,175 --> 01:50:11,175
where someone showed a vehicle

2514
01:50:11,178 --> 01:50:12,179
in the

2515
01:50:12,179 --> 01:50:14,181
library parking lot with the gentleman

2516
01:50:14,181 --> 01:50:15,182
standing behind it .

2517
01:50:15,182 --> 01:50:17,184
that was a superimposed superhero.

2518
01:50:17,184 --> 01:50:19,584
the vehicle was never

2519
01:50:20,187 --> 01:50:22,155
in the parking lot and that's

2520
01:50:22,155 --> 01:50:26,159
been verified by library staff and the police department.

2521
01:50:26,159 --> 01:50:29,159
how did we get here?

2522
01:50:29,162 --> 01:50:31,164
last february as you are aware,

2523
01:50:31,164 --> 01:50:34,764
the state of florida, the governor

2524
01:50:35,169 --> 01:50:38,172
governor of the state of florida issued a directive

2525
01:50:38,172 --> 01:50:40,572
that all law enforcement

2526
01:50:41,175 --> 01:50:43,175
agencies

2527
01:50:44,178 --> 01:50:45,179
state city

2528
01:50:45,179 --> 01:50:47,179
municipal, sheriff's departments,

2529
01:50:47,181 --> 01:50:49,181
were required.

2530
01:50:50,184 --> 01:50:52,184
was required

2531
01:50:53,187 --> 01:50:55,587
to sign the agreement.

2532
01:50:56,156 --> 01:50:58,156
the

2533
01:50:58,158 --> 01:51:01,758
governor said such order. This is

2534
01:51:02,162 --> 01:51:03,163
an agreement

2535
01:51:03,163 --> 01:51:07,363
that was basically a task force model.

2536
01:51:08,168 --> 01:51:10,168
if

2537
01:51:10,170 --> 01:51:11,171
you look at the title of it we do

2538
01:51:11,171 --> 01:51:12,172
task force all the time

2539
01:51:12,172 --> 01:51:14,174
with different agencies. Chief when

2540
01:51:14,174 --> 01:51:17,177
we get to this point could you speak to training please?

2541
01:51:17,177 --> 01:51:19,177
subsequently the chief

2542
01:51:20,180 --> 01:51:23,180
and I discussed it. It

2543
01:51:23,183 --> 01:51:25,583
was an administrative task,

2544
01:51:26,186 --> 01:51:29,156
I accept responsibility. It was

2545
01:51:29,156 --> 01:51:32,159
not a policy decision it was a directive from the governor

2546
01:51:32,159 --> 01:51:34,159
and

2547
01:51:34,161 --> 01:51:35,162
I am unaware of any agency within pinellas county who has

2548
01:51:35,162 --> 01:51:37,162
not entered into

2549
01:51:38,165 --> 01:51:39,166
it or who has

2550
01:51:39,166 --> 01:51:41,168
sought direction from their elective body.

2551
01:51:41,168 --> 01:51:43,168
it

2552
01:51:43,170 --> 01:51:44,171
was an administrative task. With that said I

2553
01:51:44,171 --> 01:51:46,571
hope I addressed it.

2554
01:51:50,177 --> 01:51:52,179
it is my responsibility, I did authorize the chief

2555
01:51:52,179 --> 01:51:53,180
to sign it because we looked at it

2556
01:51:53,180 --> 01:51:56,180
as an administrative task. At

2557
01:51:56,183 --> 01:51:59,186
that time it was in the media

2558
01:51:59,186 --> 01:52:01,154
and such that this

2559
01:52:01,154 --> 01:52:04,157
was happening but I go back to the idea

2560
01:52:04,157 --> 01:52:05,158
and if you look into it, the governor directed

2561
01:52:05,158 --> 01:52:07,558
all agencies to sign.

2562
01:52:11,164 --> 01:52:13,164
>> and

2563
01:52:13,166 --> 01:52:14,168
so I am clear that was signed by only the chief?

2564
01:52:14,168 --> 01:52:15,169
that was not

2565
01:52:15,169 --> 01:52:17,171
signed by the city manager or council?

2566
01:52:17,171 --> 01:52:20,171
>> that's correct. Subsequently to that,

2567
01:52:26,180 --> 01:52:27,181
and

2568
01:52:27,181 --> 01:52:28,182
let me touch on it, there were some

2569
01:52:28,182 --> 01:52:29,183
other questions. I got distracted,

2570
01:52:29,183 --> 01:52:31,183
I apologize.

2571
01:52:32,186 --> 01:52:35,155
>> I asked about the training. I asked if

2572
01:52:35,155 --> 01:52:38,158
I was shocked when they said ice

2573
01:52:38,158 --> 01:52:41,158
lives in our town, troops

2574
01:52:41,161 --> 01:52:43,163
are in our city. Not aware of that?

2575
01:52:43,163 --> 01:52:47,167
I don't know if our police chief is aware

2576
01:52:47,167 --> 01:52:48,168
.

2577
01:52:48,168 --> 01:52:50,168
>>

2578
01:52:50,170 --> 01:52:51,171
she would advise me.

2579
01:52:51,171 --> 01:52:53,173
>> asked if there were any resources

2580
01:52:53,173 --> 01:52:55,173
, any of

2581
01:52:56,176 --> 01:52:59,179
our city resources. I asked if , how

2582
01:52:59,179 --> 01:53:02,182
did we get here? That one you have answered,

2583
01:53:02,182 --> 01:53:05,185
and what is our current status and process?

2584
01:53:05,185 --> 01:53:07,185
>> city resources

2585
01:53:08,155 --> 01:53:10,155
are strictly for

2586
01:53:11,158 --> 01:53:15,358
our officers and chief farrand to attend

2587
01:53:19,166 --> 01:53:20,167
training.

2588
01:53:20,167 --> 01:53:21,168
>> so we are told we had to

2589
01:53:21,168 --> 01:53:22,169
go to the training

2590
01:53:22,169 --> 01:53:23,170
and we had to pay for it?

2591
01:53:23,170 --> 01:53:24,171
>> there is

2592
01:53:24,171 --> 01:53:25,172
no paying for it,

2593
01:53:25,172 --> 01:53:26,173
the resource would be the hours spent as

2594
01:53:26,173 --> 01:53:28,173
part

2595
01:53:29,176 --> 01:53:31,576
of their daily employment.

2596
01:53:35,182 --> 01:53:37,184
in regards to any other resources

2597
01:53:37,184 --> 01:53:42,155
by the city there has not been any exhausted

2598
01:53:42,155 --> 01:53:43,156
other

2599
01:53:43,156 --> 01:53:44,157
than myself and chief discussing it

2600
01:53:44,157 --> 01:53:48,161
and preparing this information for today. Subsequently,

2601
01:53:48,161 --> 01:53:49,162
and the reason I gave you

2602
01:53:49,162 --> 01:53:53,166
the key west, a copy of the key west

2603
01:53:53,166 --> 01:53:54,168
letter that they received from the

2604
01:53:54,168 --> 01:53:56,168
attorney general

2605
01:53:56,170 --> 01:53:57,171
in the state of florida is that the

2606
01:53:57,171 --> 01:53:59,571
scenario is very similar.

2607
01:54:03,177 --> 01:54:04,178
it's in the

2608
01:54:04,178 --> 01:54:06,180
media, widely talked about in the media. The

2609
01:54:06,180 --> 01:54:08,180
chief of

2610
01:54:09,183 --> 01:54:11,583
police of key west

2611
01:54:12,186 --> 01:54:14,186
signed the agreement

2612
01:54:15,155 --> 01:54:16,156
and

2613
01:54:16,156 --> 01:54:18,158
subsequently city council, the city commission excuse me,

2614
01:54:18,158 --> 01:54:19,159
of key west

2615
01:54:19,159 --> 01:54:21,161
wanted to talk about it in regards

2616
01:54:21,161 --> 01:54:22,162
to

2617
01:54:22,162 --> 01:54:25,162
the public. They subsequently then

2618
01:54:27,167 --> 01:54:29,167
directed staff

2619
01:54:30,170 --> 01:54:32,570
to leave the agreement.

2620
01:54:33,173 --> 01:54:36,173
so they voted and took

2621
01:54:36,176 --> 01:54:39,176
that off the table. The

2622
01:54:39,179 --> 01:54:42,182
attorney general then appeared in a letter of correspondence and

2623
01:54:42,182 --> 01:54:45,182
said you need to reconsider.

2624
01:54:45,185 --> 01:54:46,186
I

2625
01:54:46,186 --> 01:54:48,155
will let the city attorney speak to

2626
01:54:48,155 --> 01:54:51,158
what the penalties are to that

2627
01:54:51,158 --> 01:54:53,160
and I'll be happy to answer questions

2628
01:54:53,160 --> 01:54:55,162
that I do have the knowledge of. Chief

2629
01:54:55,162 --> 01:54:57,164
farrand can you speak to training and what

2630
01:54:57,164 --> 01:55:00,164
type of training you received?

2631
01:55:03,170 --> 01:55:05,170
>> it

2632
01:55:06,173 --> 01:55:08,175
was actually online training

2633
01:55:08,175 --> 01:55:11,175
through the federal law enforcement

2634
01:55:12,179 --> 01:55:14,179
training.

2635
01:55:18,185 --> 01:55:20,187
we did 40 hours of

2636
01:55:20,187 --> 01:55:21,154
online training.

2637
01:55:21,154 --> 01:55:24,157
>> so we did not go anywhere.

2638
01:55:24,157 --> 01:55:27,157
>> there was no travel cost

2639
01:55:27,160 --> 01:55:29,162
or anything like that.

2640
01:55:29,162 --> 01:55:30,163
I did the training in my office. Some

2641
01:55:30,163 --> 01:55:32,165
of that I did from

2642
01:55:32,165 --> 01:55:36,365
home. The training involved the procedures and

2643
01:55:38,172 --> 01:55:44,172
how someone is able to get citizenship should they choose.

2644
01:55:45,179 --> 01:55:47,181
among other various topics.

2645
01:55:47,181 --> 01:55:48,182
I was not prepared to speak to this today

2646
01:55:48,182 --> 01:55:51,182
otherwise I would have repaired

2647
01:55:51,185 --> 01:55:53,585
a better curriculum explanation.

2648
01:55:54,188 --> 01:55:56,188
>> I understand it

2649
01:55:57,157 --> 01:55:59,557
wasn't on the agenda.

2650
01:56:00,160 --> 01:56:02,160
>> chief?

2651
01:56:03,163 --> 01:56:05,165
>> do you want to go

2652
01:56:05,165 --> 01:56:06,166
to speaking order?

2653
01:56:06,166 --> 01:56:09,166
>> I don't think she's done.

2654
01:56:12,172 --> 01:56:13,173
>> if we could touch on that,

2655
01:56:13,173 --> 01:56:15,175
this direction to reiterate if you

2656
01:56:15,175 --> 01:56:18,175
look at the key west

2657
01:56:18,178 --> 01:56:21,178
scenario as I was discussing,

2658
01:56:21,181 --> 01:56:23,181
they subsequently

2659
01:56:24,184 --> 01:56:25,185
had taken that action

2660
01:56:25,185 --> 01:56:27,187
but this has been utilized throughout

2661
01:56:27,187 --> 01:56:29,187
pinellas county.

2662
01:56:30,157 --> 01:56:33,160
I am unaware of any agency

2663
01:56:33,160 --> 01:56:36,160
that does not participate and

2664
01:56:36,163 --> 01:56:39,163
I think it lays out

2665
01:56:39,166 --> 01:56:40,167
that the scenario is very similar

2666
01:56:40,167 --> 01:56:42,167
to what we

2667
01:56:42,169 --> 01:56:43,170
are here discussing tonight.

2668
01:56:43,170 --> 01:56:44,171
>> I have

2669
01:56:44,171 --> 01:56:45,172
a question for mary. Are we going

2670
01:56:45,172 --> 01:56:47,172
to

2671
01:56:48,175 --> 01:56:50,575
go in speaking order?

2672
01:56:51,178 --> 01:56:53,178
>> yes but

2673
01:56:53,180 --> 01:56:54,181
this was the city manager's reports I

2674
01:56:54,181 --> 01:56:56,581
was going to go

2675
01:56:57,184 --> 01:56:59,584
to the city manager.

2676
01:57:00,187 --> 01:57:02,155
>> you asked me a

2677
01:57:02,155 --> 01:57:03,156
question and I was answering it. Just let me

2678
01:57:03,156 --> 01:57:04,157
finish my answer.

2679
01:57:04,157 --> 01:57:06,157
>> so, protocol.

2680
01:57:09,162 --> 01:57:11,164
I understand you have

2681
01:57:11,164 --> 01:57:12,165
answered the things that I asked you with

2682
01:57:12,165 --> 01:57:14,168
the exception of I know you are

2683
01:57:14,168 --> 01:57:20,168
going to defer to the attorney to address the repercussions

2684
01:57:21,175 --> 01:57:24,775
of let's say, reneging on this

2685
01:57:27,181 --> 01:57:29,183
signing of the mandate.

2686
01:57:29,183 --> 01:57:30,184
we can go there, but mary before you sit

2687
01:57:30,184 --> 01:57:32,584
down-- nice try but

2688
01:57:33,187 --> 01:57:35,155
the

2689
01:57:35,155 --> 01:57:36,156
vice mayor had a question. Let's see if anyone else

2690
01:57:36,156 --> 01:57:38,156
does,

2691
01:57:39,159 --> 01:57:40,160
in speaking order.

2692
01:57:40,160 --> 01:57:41,161
>> I had one

2693
01:57:41,161 --> 01:57:42,162
of your statement I would like the chief

2694
01:57:42,162 --> 01:57:45,165
to address. Once again if she

2695
01:57:45,165 --> 01:57:48,168
would reiterate the process that if an individual

2696
01:57:48,168 --> 01:57:50,168
were not out

2697
01:57:51,171 --> 01:57:54,171
seeking anyone but the process

2698
01:57:54,174 --> 01:57:56,174
,

2699
01:58:02,182 --> 01:58:03,183
we may interact with an individual

2700
01:58:03,183 --> 01:58:05,185
if they are breaking the

2701
01:58:05,185 --> 01:58:06,186
law or if there is a reason to. Do

2702
01:58:06,186 --> 01:58:09,786
you want to talk to that?

2703
01:58:12,159 --> 01:58:13,160
>>

2704
01:58:13,160 --> 01:58:15,162
that's correct. We don't have any

2705
01:58:15,162 --> 01:58:17,164
lists, we are not accepting any lists,

2706
01:58:17,164 --> 01:58:18,165
we are not going to go looking for

2707
01:58:18,165 --> 01:58:19,166
people. If we encounter someone who

2708
01:58:19,166 --> 01:58:20,167
has some

2709
01:58:20,167 --> 01:58:21,168
kind of detainer or a hold then we

2710
01:58:21,168 --> 01:58:24,168
call a phone number and

2711
01:58:24,171 --> 01:58:25,172
an agent will respond.

2712
01:58:25,172 --> 01:58:27,172
>>

2713
01:58:27,174 --> 01:58:30,174
I will ask my question.

2714
01:58:30,177 --> 01:58:32,577
>> I have no questions.

2715
01:58:33,180 --> 01:58:38,185
>> so I understand all of that. I know that

2716
01:58:38,185 --> 01:58:39,186
it talks about how you work with a

2717
01:58:39,186 --> 01:58:42,155
supervisor at ice so what did

2718
01:58:42,155 --> 01:58:45,155
the training say about that?

2719
01:58:45,158 --> 01:58:48,161
>> I'm not sure I understand. >> into

2720
01:58:48,161 --> 01:58:50,161
87 it talks about

2721
01:58:50,163 --> 01:58:52,165
how people who are trained will have

2722
01:58:52,165 --> 01:58:54,565
a supervisor that directs

2723
01:58:55,169 --> 01:58:57,169
--

2724
01:58:58,172 --> 01:58:59,173
it may not have been

2725
01:58:59,173 --> 01:59:05,173
in the training but that's what is in the agreement.

2726
01:59:06,180 --> 01:59:09,183
did they talk about how you dealt with a supervisor

2727
01:59:09,183 --> 01:59:10,184
or what a supervisor could ask you

2728
01:59:10,184 --> 01:59:11,185
to do?

2729
01:59:11,185 --> 01:59:12,186
>> I'm not sure

2730
01:59:12,186 --> 01:59:13,187
I understand the question.

2731
01:59:13,187 --> 01:59:15,587
>> could an ice supervisor,

2732
01:59:16,156 --> 01:59:19,156
because you're supposed to be

2733
01:59:19,159 --> 01:59:20,160
--

2734
01:59:20,160 --> 01:59:22,162
>> we are not reporting

2735
01:59:22,162 --> 01:59:24,164
to anyone at ice.

2736
01:59:24,164 --> 01:59:25,165
we are not reporting to anyone at ice.

2737
01:59:25,165 --> 01:59:26,166
>>

2738
01:59:26,166 --> 01:59:27,167
that's

2739
01:59:27,167 --> 01:59:30,767
different than what this agreement says.

2740
01:59:34,174 --> 01:59:36,174
if a person

2741
01:59:37,177 --> 01:59:38,178
told us

2742
01:59:38,178 --> 01:59:40,180
to do something, instead of them coming here

2743
01:59:40,180 --> 01:59:42,182
what did the training say about

2744
01:59:42,182 --> 01:59:43,183
what our response would be?

2745
01:59:43,183 --> 01:59:44,184
>> I don't

2746
01:59:44,184 --> 01:59:45,185
believe they would

2747
01:59:45,185 --> 01:59:46,186
do that. That's part of the agreement.

2748
01:59:46,186 --> 01:59:48,186
>>

2749
01:59:49,156 --> 01:59:51,156
but it is

2750
01:59:51,158 --> 01:59:52,159
in here.

2751
01:59:52,159 --> 01:59:53,160
>> I hear what you are saying

2752
01:59:53,160 --> 01:59:54,161
but those agreements were almost

2753
01:59:54,161 --> 01:59:55,162
a year before the training even came

2754
01:59:55,162 --> 01:59:57,162
out. So

2755
01:59:57,164 --> 02:00:01,964
a lot has changed. Were not following that

2756
02:00:04,171 --> 02:00:06,173
to the letter. No one is

2757
02:00:06,173 --> 02:00:07,174
calling us to ask us to go do anything

2758
02:00:07,174 --> 02:00:08,175
for them. If they

2759
02:00:08,175 --> 02:00:10,177
want something done the either take

2760
02:00:10,177 --> 02:00:11,178
care of it themselves

2761
02:00:11,178 --> 02:00:15,182
or they get someone who is actually

2762
02:00:15,182 --> 02:00:16,183
on the task force to take care of it.

2763
02:00:16,183 --> 02:00:18,583
the gulfport police department

2764
02:00:19,186 --> 02:00:20,187
is not going to do that.

2765
02:00:20,187 --> 02:00:21,188
>>

2766
02:00:21,188 --> 02:00:25,158
I'm very glad about that but I'm worried

2767
02:00:25,158 --> 02:00:28,161
that it says in here that we could have to

2768
02:00:28,161 --> 02:00:29,162
do that and

2769
02:00:29,162 --> 02:00:31,164
if we sign that even though the training is changed

2770
02:00:31,164 --> 02:00:33,164
--

2771
02:00:34,168 --> 02:00:37,171
because this is what we signed,

2772
02:00:37,171 --> 02:00:40,171
and did they ever cosign?

2773
02:00:42,176 --> 02:00:43,177
>> I think they have since we did the

2774
02:00:43,177 --> 02:00:44,178
training

2775
02:00:44,178 --> 02:00:45,179
I think they have--

2776
02:00:45,179 --> 02:00:46,180
>> but what the document says

2777
02:00:46,180 --> 02:00:47,181
and what you are

2778
02:00:47,181 --> 02:00:49,183
saying the training says is different.

2779
02:00:49,183 --> 02:00:51,583
and that worries me.

2780
02:00:55,155 --> 02:00:56,156
but

2781
02:00:56,156 --> 02:00:58,158
I know if they didn't say anything in

2782
02:00:58,158 --> 02:01:01,161
the training that's all you have to--

2783
02:01:01,161 --> 02:01:02,162
>>

2784
02:01:02,162 --> 02:01:04,164
and we are not trying to ask you to speculate.

2785
02:01:04,164 --> 02:01:07,164
we are asking you what

2786
02:01:07,167 --> 02:01:10,167
our process is today. And

2787
02:01:10,170 --> 02:01:11,171
--I don't

2788
02:01:11,171 --> 02:01:13,173
have a question at the moment for

2789
02:01:13,173 --> 02:01:15,173
the chief but

2790
02:01:16,176 --> 02:01:18,576
I will have comments

2791
02:01:19,179 --> 02:01:20,180
in my report.

2792
02:01:20,180 --> 02:01:24,380
>> my only question is have we called

2793
02:01:25,185 --> 02:01:26,186
ice for any

2794
02:01:26,186 --> 02:01:29,786
stop we made for whatever reason?

2795
02:01:31,158 --> 02:01:33,160
but if we did,

2796
02:01:33,160 --> 02:01:34,161
because it was my understanding and

2797
02:01:34,161 --> 02:01:35,162
please if I

2798
02:01:35,162 --> 02:01:37,164
am wrong correct me, it was my understanding

2799
02:01:37,164 --> 02:01:39,564
that if we pulled

2800
02:01:40,167 --> 02:01:41,168
someone over for speeding or drunken-driving,

2801
02:01:41,168 --> 02:01:42,169
shoplifting

2802
02:01:42,169 --> 02:01:47,569
and ran their report as you do for everybody

2803
02:01:49,176 --> 02:01:52,179
and we found that ice had a warrant for their arrest,

2804
02:01:52,179 --> 02:01:54,579
it was my understanding

2805
02:01:55,182 --> 02:01:57,184
we would then call ice and are required

2806
02:01:57,184 --> 02:01:58,185
to hold them for 30 minutes in case

2807
02:01:58,185 --> 02:02:01,185
ice decided to show up

2808
02:02:01,188 --> 02:02:04,157
. That was some time ago

2809
02:02:04,157 --> 02:02:06,159
that I heard that so

2810
02:02:06,159 --> 02:02:09,162
if that is no longer correct information I would appreciate

2811
02:02:09,162 --> 02:02:10,163
any way you can correct it and the

2812
02:02:10,163 --> 02:02:12,165
second part of that

2813
02:02:12,165 --> 02:02:16,170
would be have you had to call ice at any point

2814
02:02:16,170 --> 02:02:19,173
and have they come in to our

2815
02:02:19,173 --> 02:02:22,176
town to get someone pulled over for

2816
02:02:22,176 --> 02:02:24,576
some totally other reason?

2817
02:02:25,179 --> 02:02:29,979
>> so the first part of that question is

2818
02:02:30,184 --> 02:02:33,187
if we had contact with someone and there was

2819
02:02:33,187 --> 02:02:37,157
a criminal charge that we have put on them,

2820
02:02:37,157 --> 02:02:41,957
we handle that and they go to jail.

2821
02:02:43,163 --> 02:02:44,164
if

2822
02:02:44,164 --> 02:02:46,166
there is a detainer, ice would have

2823
02:02:46,166 --> 02:02:49,169
contact with them at the pinellas county jail. Does that answer the question?

2824
02:02:49,169 --> 02:02:51,169
>> I think so.

2825
02:02:52,172 --> 02:02:54,174
so we don't call ice

2826
02:02:54,174 --> 02:02:55,175
from the potential traffic stop?

2827
02:02:55,175 --> 02:02:56,176
>> no,

2828
02:02:56,176 --> 02:02:58,176
we do not.

2829
02:02:58,178 --> 02:03:00,178
we

2830
02:03:00,180 --> 02:03:01,181
would resolve that traffic stop in

2831
02:03:01,181 --> 02:03:03,581
the example you are

2832
02:03:04,184 --> 02:03:06,184
providing,

2833
02:03:07,187 --> 02:03:09,587
transport them to jail

2834
02:03:10,157 --> 02:03:13,160
and contact ice to let them know that

2835
02:03:13,160 --> 02:03:14,161
they are there.

2836
02:03:14,161 --> 02:03:16,161
>> okay. And

2837
02:03:16,163 --> 02:03:18,163
do you know,

2838
02:03:22,169 --> 02:03:24,171
have we called ice, and you've already said

2839
02:03:24,171 --> 02:03:25,172
no.

2840
02:03:25,172 --> 02:03:26,173
>> we have not, no. >> okay, thank you.

2841
02:03:26,173 --> 02:03:28,173
that

2842
02:03:28,175 --> 02:03:29,176
was the questions for you so now we

2843
02:03:29,176 --> 02:03:31,176
will switch over

2844
02:03:31,178 --> 02:03:32,179
to the city manager.

2845
02:03:32,179 --> 02:03:36,379
I would like an opportunity on this

2846
02:03:37,184 --> 02:03:39,186
subject only of course, any

2847
02:03:39,186 --> 02:03:40,187
clarifying questions of anything you

2848
02:03:40,187 --> 02:03:42,587
said in speaking order.

2849
02:03:49,162 --> 02:03:50,163
did you have anything else to add?

2850
02:03:50,163 --> 02:03:52,163
>>

2851
02:03:55,169 --> 02:03:56,170
I think the chief was clear that we

2852
02:03:56,170 --> 02:03:57,171
have not had an interaction that was

2853
02:03:57,171 --> 02:03:59,173
anticipated or anything like that

2854
02:03:59,173 --> 02:04:02,176
but I cannot stress enough that

2855
02:04:02,176 --> 02:04:03,177
there are three aspects.

2856
02:04:03,177 --> 02:04:07,181
the city of st. Petersburg, we will use, has not.

2857
02:04:07,181 --> 02:04:11,185
you saw the issue the other day that

2858
02:04:11,185 --> 02:04:13,187
they have not opted out.

2859
02:04:13,187 --> 02:04:17,157
there is no level in this county that

2860
02:04:17,157 --> 02:04:18,158
has reached that.

2861
02:04:18,158 --> 02:04:20,160
now the sheriff may be doing something

2862
02:04:20,160 --> 02:04:23,160
but we have been not

2863
02:04:23,163 --> 02:04:26,166
--we have not been made aware

2864
02:04:26,166 --> 02:04:27,167
of it. The arrests the

2865
02:04:27,167 --> 02:04:31,171
other day during the protest were tied to individuals

2866
02:04:31,171 --> 02:04:33,173
trespassing inside of private property.

2867
02:04:33,173 --> 02:04:36,173
those were not immigration arrests

2868
02:04:38,178 --> 02:04:40,180
so there are different

2869
02:04:40,180 --> 02:04:44,380
things happening here getting all lumped together.

2870
02:04:46,186 --> 02:04:47,187
but I will be the 1st to acknowledge that

2871
02:04:47,187 --> 02:04:48,155
based

2872
02:04:48,155 --> 02:04:50,157
on the governor's direction, that

2873
02:04:50,157 --> 02:04:53,160
I did authorize the chief to sign it because

2874
02:04:53,160 --> 02:04:55,160
it was determined

2875
02:04:56,163 --> 02:04:57,164
that the

2876
02:04:57,164 --> 02:04:59,166
government was requiring each agency to participate

2877
02:04:59,166 --> 02:05:01,166
.

2878
02:05:02,169 --> 02:05:05,169
as far as the penalties

2879
02:05:05,172 --> 02:05:06,173
outlined in the

2880
02:05:06,173 --> 02:05:07,174
key west correspondence I will defer

2881
02:05:07,174 --> 02:05:08,175
to the city attorney unless council

2882
02:05:08,175 --> 02:05:10,175
has

2883
02:05:11,178 --> 02:05:12,179
any further questions.

2884
02:05:12,179 --> 02:05:14,179
>>

2885
02:05:16,183 --> 02:05:17,184
let's see if there's anything specific

2886
02:05:17,184 --> 02:05:19,186
to the city manager before

2887
02:05:19,186 --> 02:05:20,187
we move on to the city attorney.

2888
02:05:20,187 --> 02:05:22,155
>> no questions.

2889
02:05:22,155 --> 02:05:23,156
>> I understand the governor may have

2890
02:05:23,156 --> 02:05:25,556
said it was required

2891
02:05:26,159 --> 02:05:28,161
that in fact in 287

2892
02:05:28,161 --> 02:05:31,761
it is not mandatory. It's mandatory

2893
02:05:32,165 --> 02:05:33,166
for counties that have a jail

2894
02:05:33,166 --> 02:05:35,169
but not for cities and apparently what

2895
02:05:35,169 --> 02:05:37,569
I was reading today

2896
02:05:38,172 --> 02:05:39,173
it may not be totally up to

2897
02:05:39,173 --> 02:05:41,175
date but there's at least 100 cities

2898
02:05:41,175 --> 02:05:43,177
in florida that have not signed one.

2899
02:05:43,177 --> 02:05:47,181
I understand it could be more complicated

2900
02:05:47,181 --> 02:05:50,184
to rescind one then to not

2901
02:05:50,184 --> 02:05:53,187
sign it in the first place.

2902
02:05:53,187 --> 02:05:54,188
I'm

2903
02:05:54,188 --> 02:05:55,155
probably the sheriff was putting pressure on things but it

2904
02:05:55,155 --> 02:05:59,355
was never mandatory to sign this. Personally

2905
02:06:02,162 --> 02:06:04,164
>> is this a question?

2906
02:06:04,164 --> 02:06:07,764
>> are you doing your public comment

2907
02:06:08,168 --> 02:06:09,169
now?

2908
02:06:09,169 --> 02:06:10,170
>> do

2909
02:06:10,170 --> 02:06:11,171
you know if ice has cosigned our agreement?

2910
02:06:11,171 --> 02:06:13,571
>> I have no idea.

2911
02:06:14,174 --> 02:06:18,374
we will go on and locate it.

2912
02:06:19,179 --> 02:06:22,182
>> let me see if I have anything else here.

2913
02:06:22,182 --> 02:06:26,186
the only other thing that was different

2914
02:06:26,186 --> 02:06:28,188
is that the chief

2915
02:06:28,188 --> 02:06:29,156
was saying that we send people directly to

2916
02:06:29,156 --> 02:06:31,158
jail. You had said earlier

2917
02:06:31,158 --> 02:06:36,558
that we hold people, we let ice know them

2918
02:06:38,165 --> 02:06:39,166
--know we have them and hold them

2919
02:06:39,166 --> 02:06:40,167
for an

2920
02:06:40,167 --> 02:06:41,168
hour and if they don't come we release them.

2921
02:06:41,168 --> 02:06:42,169
>>

2922
02:06:42,169 --> 02:06:43,170
we are talking about are we

2923
02:06:43,170 --> 02:06:46,770
arresting someone for an immigration violation?

2924
02:06:50,177 --> 02:06:51,178
>> as opposed to a

2925
02:06:51,178 --> 02:06:52,179
traffic stop?

2926
02:06:52,179 --> 02:06:53,180
>> chief was speaking if they have

2927
02:06:53,180 --> 02:06:54,181
a criminal

2928
02:06:54,181 --> 02:06:55,182
violation they will be arrested based on that and

2929
02:06:55,182 --> 02:06:57,184
then taken to jail and we would then

2930
02:06:57,184 --> 02:06:59,186
tell the federal government hey, this

2931
02:06:59,186 --> 02:07:02,155
person is in jail. That's where the difference

2932
02:07:02,155 --> 02:07:04,155
is coming about,

2933
02:07:05,158 --> 02:07:07,158
--

2934
02:07:08,161 --> 02:07:10,161
>> I am confident

2935
02:07:11,164 --> 02:07:14,168
that when I say we are not

2936
02:07:14,168 --> 02:07:16,170
out soliciting or arresting based

2937
02:07:16,170 --> 02:07:17,171
on someone's immigration status ,

2938
02:07:17,171 --> 02:07:19,171
we

2939
02:07:20,174 --> 02:07:23,177
are making contact with them as the mayor spoke of,

2940
02:07:23,177 --> 02:07:25,177
law enforcement activity.

2941
02:07:26,180 --> 02:07:28,180
>>

2942
02:07:28,182 --> 02:07:29,183
so one other question. This is the

2943
02:07:29,183 --> 02:07:32,186
first time I saw this letter.

2944
02:07:32,186 --> 02:07:35,186
they said by rescinding that,

2945
02:07:40,160 --> 02:07:41,161
, they were automatically making key west a

2946
02:07:41,161 --> 02:07:43,161
sanctuary

2947
02:07:43,163 --> 02:07:47,167
city which is illegal. But as I understand,

2948
02:07:47,167 --> 02:07:50,167
we have to comply with

2949
02:07:50,170 --> 02:07:52,170
908 - 104 which

2950
02:07:53,173 --> 02:07:56,176
says you can't impede any procedures

2951
02:07:56,176 --> 02:07:59,176
going on but by rescinding

2952
02:07:59,179 --> 02:08:00,180
287

2953
02:08:00,180 --> 02:08:02,182
you are actually not impeding anything

2954
02:08:02,182 --> 02:08:05,185
that ice is doing, you are just not doing something

2955
02:08:05,185 --> 02:08:08,188
additional. So it seems to me that key west

2956
02:08:08,188 --> 02:08:09,156
would have had a good case for not

2957
02:08:09,156 --> 02:08:12,756
being a sanctuary city . And again,

2958
02:08:17,164 --> 02:08:18,165
I

2959
02:08:18,165 --> 02:08:20,167
know that the governor and the attorney

2960
02:08:20,167 --> 02:08:21,168
general are trying to strong-arm people

2961
02:08:21,168 --> 02:08:23,170
into doing this stuff so whether it's fair

2962
02:08:23,170 --> 02:08:27,174
or constitutional or legal may not be the point.

2963
02:08:27,174 --> 02:08:28,175
and

2964
02:08:28,175 --> 02:08:30,177
I realize if we resend it, we could

2965
02:08:30,177 --> 02:08:32,177
risk

2966
02:08:36,183 --> 02:08:37,184
that same thing but technically

2967
02:08:37,184 --> 02:08:39,186
we are not a sanctuary city and we would

2968
02:08:39,186 --> 02:08:41,186
still be following 908.104.

2969
02:08:42,155 --> 02:08:43,156
so

2970
02:08:43,156 --> 02:08:48,161
that would be I guess for the city attorney, too.

2971
02:08:48,161 --> 02:08:49,162
marlene has to--

2972
02:08:49,162 --> 02:08:51,162
>>

2973
02:08:55,169 --> 02:08:56,170
councilmember shaw, any questions for city manager?

2974
02:08:56,170 --> 02:08:57,171
>> no,

2975
02:08:57,171 --> 02:08:59,171
I am still

2976
02:08:59,173 --> 02:09:00,174
holding my comments for later.

2977
02:09:00,174 --> 02:09:01,175
>>

2978
02:09:01,175 --> 02:09:03,177
okay, that's fine. I don't have any additional

2979
02:09:03,177 --> 02:09:05,177
questions.

2980
02:09:05,179 --> 02:09:06,180
I appreciate you clarifying why both

2981
02:09:06,180 --> 02:09:08,180
of us

2982
02:09:08,182 --> 02:09:11,185
who were paying attention a year ago and heard this

2983
02:09:11,185 --> 02:09:12,186
will hold them for whether it was 30 minutes

2984
02:09:12,186 --> 02:09:14,186
or

2985
02:09:14,188 --> 02:09:15,155
an hour and now I understood from

2986
02:09:15,155 --> 02:09:17,157
the chief that that is not

2987
02:09:17,157 --> 02:09:21,161
the process we are doing. So that's where there was

2988
02:09:21,161 --> 02:09:22,162
some confusion.

2989
02:09:22,162 --> 02:09:23,163
>> I was

2990
02:09:23,163 --> 02:09:27,363
told recently that we are holding them.

2991
02:09:28,168 --> 02:09:30,170
>> I misunderstood. Go ahead, andy. >> originally

2992
02:09:30,170 --> 02:09:31,171
that came about because it

2993
02:09:31,171 --> 02:09:35,175
was a direction that the sheriff was saying.

2994
02:09:35,175 --> 02:09:36,176
after 30 minutes the recommendation was to let

2995
02:09:36,176 --> 02:09:38,176
anybody

2996
02:09:38,178 --> 02:09:44,178
go because they said technically the office was in tampa

2997
02:09:45,185 --> 02:09:47,187
and no one was coming over in 30 minutes

2998
02:09:47,187 --> 02:09:48,188
to pick anybody up . So if they didn't have a

2999
02:09:48,188 --> 02:09:49,156
criminal

3000
02:09:49,156 --> 02:09:51,158
charge they weren't holding them.

3001
02:09:51,158 --> 02:09:53,158
>>

3002
02:09:54,161 --> 02:09:55,162
so I do have a question now because

3003
02:09:55,162 --> 02:09:56,163
it

3004
02:09:56,163 --> 02:09:57,164
was a week ago on monday I was told

3005
02:09:57,164 --> 02:10:00,167
we do hold them for an hour and if ice does not come,

3006
02:10:00,167 --> 02:10:02,567
that is that. So

3007
02:10:03,170 --> 02:10:04,171
what is the fact?

3008
02:10:04,171 --> 02:10:05,172
>>

3009
02:10:05,172 --> 02:10:09,176
do you want to clarify the difference what we

3010
02:10:09,176 --> 02:10:10,177
are talking about?

3011
02:10:10,177 --> 02:10:14,977
>> we actually do hold them for an hour

3012
02:10:15,182 --> 02:10:16,183
in the

3013
02:10:16,183 --> 02:10:18,185
case where and ice agent says they

3014
02:10:18,185 --> 02:10:19,186
are coming. If

3015
02:10:19,186 --> 02:10:21,188
they say no one is available then we

3016
02:10:21,188 --> 02:10:23,188
release them.

3017
02:10:24,157 --> 02:10:25,158
>> and I was telling you

3018
02:10:25,158 --> 02:10:27,160
what the sheriff-- when this first came out

3019
02:10:27,160 --> 02:10:29,160
and

3020
02:10:30,163 --> 02:10:33,166
suggested to everyone at that time.

3021
02:10:33,166 --> 02:10:34,168
>>

3022
02:10:34,168 --> 02:10:35,169
thank you.

3023
02:10:35,169 --> 02:10:36,170
>> so would that be, you

3024
02:10:36,170 --> 02:10:38,570
are holding somebody that

3025
02:10:39,173 --> 02:10:42,176
you learn is on a list

3026
02:10:42,176 --> 02:10:45,176
that did not commit any

3027
02:10:50,184 --> 02:10:51,185
crime like speeding or drunk driving

3028
02:10:51,185 --> 02:10:53,185
because those people

3029
02:10:53,187 --> 02:10:54,188
you were sending to jail.

3030
02:10:54,188 --> 02:10:55,189
>> right, speeding is not a

3031
02:10:55,189 --> 02:10:57,157
crime to be clear but yes that

3032
02:10:57,157 --> 02:10:58,158
would be someone who has a detainer.

3033
02:10:58,158 --> 02:11:00,158
>> so if someone

3034
02:11:00,160 --> 02:11:03,163
was speeding or went through a

3035
02:11:03,163 --> 02:11:04,164
stop sign which is

3036
02:11:04,164 --> 02:11:06,166
not a jay leblanc offense, we would

3037
02:11:06,166 --> 02:11:09,169
check and if they were on the list we

3038
02:11:09,169 --> 02:11:12,172
would hold them for an hour?

3039
02:11:12,172 --> 02:11:13,173
>> you are saying list but

3040
02:11:13,173 --> 02:11:15,175
that is not at all how it works. We

3041
02:11:15,175 --> 02:11:16,176
don't have a list.

3042
02:11:16,176 --> 02:11:18,176
>> right but you

3043
02:11:18,178 --> 02:11:19,179
check the system.

3044
02:11:19,179 --> 02:11:21,179
>>

3045
02:11:21,181 --> 02:11:22,182
we check their records to

3046
02:11:22,182 --> 02:11:24,184
make sure their drivers license is valid

3047
02:11:24,184 --> 02:11:25,185
and ultimately that's

3048
02:11:25,185 --> 02:11:26,186
what we are trying to do.

3049
02:11:26,186 --> 02:11:27,187
>> if they

3050
02:11:27,187 --> 02:11:30,157
do something that is not

3051
02:11:30,157 --> 02:11:33,160
a jay leblanc offense and we checked

3052
02:11:33,160 --> 02:11:36,163
the records and they have a hold

3053
02:11:36,163 --> 02:11:38,165
from ice, we would hold them for an

3054
02:11:38,165 --> 02:11:39,166
hour and if nobody came we would release them?

3055
02:11:39,166 --> 02:11:40,167
>> that's

3056
02:11:40,167 --> 02:11:42,167
not actually

3057
02:11:42,169 --> 02:11:44,569
accurate. We call the

3058
02:11:48,175 --> 02:11:50,175
ice office.

3059
02:11:51,178 --> 02:11:53,180
we are not going to stand on the

3060
02:11:53,180 --> 02:11:54,181
side of the road and wait for an hour.

3061
02:11:54,181 --> 02:11:56,181
>> if someone

3062
02:11:57,184 --> 02:11:58,185
is coming how long do we wait?

3063
02:11:58,185 --> 02:11:59,186
>>

3064
02:11:59,186 --> 02:12:00,187
we

3065
02:12:00,187 --> 02:12:01,188
wait for an hour.

3066
02:12:01,188 --> 02:12:03,156
>> that's

3067
02:12:03,156 --> 02:12:06,156
were the biggest issue is.

3068
02:12:06,159 --> 02:12:08,159
to clarify

3069
02:12:09,162 --> 02:12:11,162
they

3070
02:12:11,164 --> 02:12:15,169
have to do something to interact with law enforcement

3071
02:12:15,169 --> 02:12:18,172
and that's were the issue becomes. If it's a jay leblanc

3072
02:12:18,172 --> 02:12:21,172
fence they are notified. If

3073
02:12:21,175 --> 02:12:22,176
they say they are coming

3074
02:12:22,176 --> 02:12:24,178
--we would do that for any law enforcement

3075
02:12:24,178 --> 02:12:27,181
agency of someone had a hold

3076
02:12:27,181 --> 02:12:30,184
but not to say --I guess the

3077
02:12:30,184 --> 02:12:32,584
number one thing is

3078
02:12:33,187 --> 02:12:36,156
we are not doing what

3079
02:12:36,156 --> 02:12:38,158
people are seeing in the media. We are not going out to a construction site

3080
02:12:38,158 --> 02:12:39,159
and rounding people up or anything like

3081
02:12:39,159 --> 02:12:41,159
that. We

3082
02:12:42,162 --> 02:12:45,162
are doing it based on

3083
02:12:45,165 --> 02:12:46,166
if we have a reason for law enforcement to

3084
02:12:46,166 --> 02:12:48,166
interact with them.

3085
02:12:48,168 --> 02:12:50,568
>> and to clarify we

3086
02:12:51,171 --> 02:12:53,571
are talking about gulfport

3087
02:12:54,174 --> 02:12:57,177
so when we get 75 comments from people

3088
02:12:57,177 --> 02:12:59,177
outside of gulfport

3089
02:13:00,180 --> 02:13:01,181
we are not addressing what they are

3090
02:13:01,181 --> 02:13:03,181
doing

3091
02:13:03,183 --> 02:13:04,184
and that is not the focus of the gulfport city council, it's to

3092
02:13:04,184 --> 02:13:06,184
address

3093
02:13:06,186 --> 02:13:08,186
gulfport issues.

3094
02:13:09,156 --> 02:13:11,156
should we

3095
02:13:12,159 --> 02:13:15,159
move to the city attorney?

3096
02:13:17,164 --> 02:13:18,165
>> mayor, this is a relatively short letter but

3097
02:13:18,165 --> 02:13:20,165
I think

3098
02:13:20,167 --> 02:13:21,168
it's important for the people to hear because it

3099
02:13:21,168 --> 02:13:23,168
does affect council.

3100
02:13:23,170 --> 02:13:26,770
this is from the attorney general

3101
02:13:29,176 --> 02:13:30,177
dated july 2, 2025 which I think is

3102
02:13:30,177 --> 02:13:32,177
also important because

3103
02:13:33,180 --> 02:13:36,183
the action taken by key west

3104
02:13:36,183 --> 02:13:38,183
was on june 30

3105
02:13:39,186 --> 02:13:40,187
so I don't know how the attorney general

3106
02:13:40,187 --> 02:13:42,187
new two

3107
02:13:43,156 --> 02:13:45,158
days after this happened.

3108
02:13:45,158 --> 02:13:46,159
but it says dear city commission. On

3109
02:13:46,159 --> 02:13:47,160
june 30,

3110
02:13:47,160 --> 02:13:51,960
2025 the key west city commission voted to avoid

3111
02:13:52,165 --> 02:13:54,565
the 287g agreement with

3112
02:13:57,171 --> 02:13:58,172
immigration and ice. In doing so you

3113
02:13:58,172 --> 02:14:00,572
directly violated florida law.

3114
02:14:03,177 --> 02:14:07,181
for the statute prohibits law enforcement and local government

3115
02:14:07,181 --> 02:14:10,181
entities from adopting or having

3116
02:14:10,184 --> 02:14:13,184
in effect any sanctuary policy

3117
02:14:13,187 --> 02:14:16,156
as the vice mayor referred

3118
02:14:16,156 --> 02:14:18,158
to. Sanctuary policy means law,

3119
02:14:18,158 --> 02:14:21,158
policy, practice, procedure or custom

3120
02:14:24,164 --> 02:14:25,165
adopted or allowed by state or local governmental entity which

3121
02:14:25,165 --> 02:14:26,166
prohibits

3122
02:14:26,166 --> 02:14:30,966
or impedes a law enforcement agency from complying

3123
02:14:34,174 --> 02:14:36,176
, which is a federal law or

3124
02:14:36,176 --> 02:14:39,179
which prohibits or impedes a law enforcement agency from

3125
02:14:39,179 --> 02:14:43,379
communicating or cooperating with federal immigration agency

3126
02:14:45,185 --> 02:14:48,188
so as to limit such law enforcement agency

3127
02:14:48,188 --> 02:14:49,156
in or prohibit them from participating

3128
02:14:49,156 --> 02:14:50,157
in federal

3129
02:14:50,157 --> 02:14:53,757
immigration operation with a federal immigration

3130
02:14:55,162 --> 02:14:57,562
agency as permitted by

3131
02:14:58,165 --> 02:15:00,167
federal and state law

3132
02:15:00,167 --> 02:15:03,767
referring to section 908.1026 and additionally section

3133
02:15:04,171 --> 02:15:06,171
908.1041 requires

3134
02:15:08,175 --> 02:15:12,975
state and local jurisdictions to use best efforts

3135
02:15:13,180 --> 02:15:14,181
to support the enforcement of federal

3136
02:15:14,181 --> 02:15:16,183
immigration law. By declaring the existing

3137
02:15:16,183 --> 02:15:18,183
287g agreement

3138
02:15:19,186 --> 02:15:21,186
void, key west

3139
02:15:22,155 --> 02:15:23,156
has made itself a sanctuary city

3140
02:15:23,156 --> 02:15:26,156
prohibiting police officers from receiving

3141
02:15:27,160 --> 02:15:28,161
the necessary federal training to

3142
02:15:28,161 --> 02:15:30,161
adequately

3143
02:15:31,164 --> 02:15:32,165
enforce us immigration laws and not

3144
02:15:32,165 --> 02:15:34,168
only prevent city police

3145
02:15:34,168 --> 02:15:36,168
from enforcing current

3146
02:15:37,171 --> 02:15:38,172
laws but effectively prevents the

3147
02:15:38,172 --> 02:15:40,174
police department from participating

3148
02:15:40,174 --> 02:15:42,574
in federal immigration operations.

3149
02:15:43,177 --> 02:15:44,178
in

3150
02:15:44,178 --> 02:15:46,180
this instance however it's even worse.

3151
02:15:46,180 --> 02:15:47,181
the commission

3152
02:15:47,181 --> 02:15:48,182
did not merely prevent the police

3153
02:15:48,182 --> 02:15:51,182
department from entering the agreement,

3154
02:15:52,186 --> 02:15:54,186
it voided

3155
02:15:54,188 --> 02:15:55,189
the existing agreement under which the

3156
02:15:55,189 --> 02:15:56,156
police

3157
02:15:56,156 --> 02:15:58,556
department was actively operating.

3158
02:16:00,160 --> 02:16:04,164
bad policy, and illegal. It goes on

3159
02:16:04,164 --> 02:16:07,164
to talk about key west

3160
02:16:07,167 --> 02:16:09,167
specifically and

3161
02:16:13,173 --> 02:16:15,175
illegal aliens representing a significant danger

3162
02:16:15,175 --> 02:16:18,175
giving examples of arresting offenders

3163
02:16:18,178 --> 02:16:22,182
but I think the last paragraph is

3164
02:16:22,182 --> 02:16:23,183
what is disconcerting.

3165
02:16:23,183 --> 02:16:25,185
florida law unequivocally forbids

3166
02:16:25,185 --> 02:16:26,186
sanctuary

3167
02:16:26,186 --> 02:16:28,188
policies and requires local governments

3168
02:16:28,188 --> 02:16:30,188
to use quotation,

3169
02:16:31,158 --> 02:16:33,158
best efforts,

3170
02:16:33,160 --> 02:16:36,163
to assist with federal immigration enforcement.

3171
02:16:36,163 --> 02:16:37,164
your recent action violated both laws.

3172
02:16:37,164 --> 02:16:39,564
the city commission must

3173
02:16:40,167 --> 02:16:43,167
immediately reverse the june 30 kind

3174
02:16:43,170 --> 02:16:45,170
, 23

3175
02:16:46,173 --> 02:16:48,175
five action and allow resumption of

3176
02:16:48,175 --> 02:16:52,179
cooperative engagement with ice . Failure to take

3177
02:16:52,179 --> 02:16:53,180
corrective action

3178
02:16:53,180 --> 02:16:56,183
will result in the enforcement of all

3179
02:16:56,183 --> 02:16:58,185
applicable penalties including removal from

3180
02:16:58,185 --> 02:17:00,185
office

3181
02:17:00,187 --> 02:17:04,387
by the government -- by the governor

3182
02:17:07,160 --> 02:17:09,560
and the florida constitution.

3183
02:17:10,163 --> 02:17:12,163
>> thank you.

3184
02:17:13,166 --> 02:17:15,169
do we have any questions of city

3185
02:17:15,169 --> 02:17:16,170
attorney in speaking order?

3186
02:17:16,170 --> 02:17:17,171
>> my

3187
02:17:17,171 --> 02:17:19,173
only question is did key west

3188
02:17:19,173 --> 02:17:20,174
reverse?

3189
02:17:20,174 --> 02:17:22,174
>>

3190
02:17:22,176 --> 02:17:24,576
that is my understanding.

3191
02:17:25,179 --> 02:17:27,179
>>

3192
02:17:27,181 --> 02:17:28,182
I have no questions except to say

3193
02:17:28,182 --> 02:17:31,185
I once lived in a sanctuary city and

3194
02:17:31,185 --> 02:17:33,585
we don't want that.

3195
02:17:34,188 --> 02:17:38,388
>> I understand what happened in key west

3196
02:17:40,160 --> 02:17:41,161
but I haven't heard whether any of the

3197
02:17:41,161 --> 02:17:42,162
cities

3198
02:17:42,162 --> 02:17:43,163
who did not sign the agreement in the

3199
02:17:43,163 --> 02:17:44,164
first place--

3200
02:17:44,164 --> 02:17:45,165
>> whether they have

3201
02:17:45,165 --> 02:17:46,166
received anything?

3202
02:17:46,166 --> 02:17:47,167
>> I would have

3203
02:17:47,167 --> 02:17:49,169
to research the answer to that

3204
02:17:49,169 --> 02:17:50,170
because they went on to say well what

3205
02:17:50,170 --> 02:17:51,171
you did was

3206
02:17:51,171 --> 02:17:52,172
worse than that but we don't know

3207
02:17:52,172 --> 02:17:54,572
if they did anything

3208
02:17:58,178 --> 02:18:00,180
other than, it sounds like they can

3209
02:18:00,180 --> 02:18:04,184
declare them by not doing something. Now again,

3210
02:18:04,184 --> 02:18:05,185
--

3211
02:18:05,185 --> 02:18:06,186
>>

3212
02:18:06,186 --> 02:18:07,187
because you aren't saying you aren't going

3213
02:18:07,187 --> 02:18:09,187
to comply with 908.104

3214
02:18:10,157 --> 02:18:11,158
--?

3215
02:18:11,158 --> 02:18:13,158
>>

3216
02:18:13,160 --> 02:18:15,560
if you become a

3217
02:18:16,163 --> 02:18:18,563
sanctuary city, you are.

3218
02:18:19,166 --> 02:18:22,169
>> but I mean,-- >> trust me I'm not defending

3219
02:18:22,169 --> 02:18:23,170
.

3220
02:18:23,170 --> 02:18:25,172
>> but it seems to me

3221
02:18:25,172 --> 02:18:26,173
that what he is saying is not right and now

3222
02:18:26,173 --> 02:18:28,173
whether

3223
02:18:29,176 --> 02:18:31,576
it went to court

3224
02:18:32,179 --> 02:18:33,180
and what

3225
02:18:33,180 --> 02:18:35,182
would happen, who knows but it would

3226
02:18:35,182 --> 02:18:36,183
be a hassle and I totally get

3227
02:18:36,183 --> 02:18:37,184
that.

3228
02:18:37,184 --> 02:18:38,185
>> I'm more concerned about, my

3229
02:18:38,185 --> 02:18:39,186
job is to give legal advice for council

3230
02:18:39,186 --> 02:18:41,186
and I

3231
02:18:41,188 --> 02:18:43,156
don't want to see council

3232
02:18:43,156 --> 02:18:44,157
removed by the governor coming in. I

3233
02:18:44,157 --> 02:18:45,158
don't know

3234
02:18:45,158 --> 02:18:46,159
how they knew about this vote within

3235
02:18:46,159 --> 02:18:49,159
two days. That's very disconcerting.

3236
02:18:50,163 --> 02:18:52,163
>> and again

3237
02:18:52,165 --> 02:18:56,170
it's not saying you are not complying with

3238
02:18:56,170 --> 02:18:59,170
the law, because you are.

3239
02:19:02,176 --> 02:19:03,177
the other

3240
02:19:03,177 --> 02:19:05,179
part was not mandatory. So I don't

3241
02:19:05,179 --> 02:19:07,579
know how they can--

3242
02:19:08,182 --> 02:19:10,582
>> I don't know why

3243
02:19:11,185 --> 02:19:15,985
they did this but I think it was

3244
02:19:17,157 --> 02:19:18,158
to send a message to cities--

3245
02:19:18,158 --> 02:19:19,159
>>

3246
02:19:19,159 --> 02:19:20,160
to intimidate.

3247
02:19:20,160 --> 02:19:21,161
>> and it's like you said,

3248
02:19:21,161 --> 02:19:22,162
all the counties had to do

3249
02:19:22,162 --> 02:19:23,163
it, all the sheriff's in the entire state

3250
02:19:23,163 --> 02:19:26,166
have all agreed to do it

3251
02:19:26,166 --> 02:19:27,167
.

3252
02:19:27,167 --> 02:19:28,168
>> because they

3253
02:19:28,168 --> 02:19:29,169
have jails and they were required.

3254
02:19:29,169 --> 02:19:31,169
>> you're right. State-mandated

3255
02:19:32,172 --> 02:19:34,174
so there was no decisions

3256
02:19:34,174 --> 02:19:35,175
and when this first came out as I said, I was

3257
02:19:35,175 --> 02:19:38,175
telling the councilmember we were

3258
02:19:38,178 --> 02:19:40,178
told how

3259
02:19:40,180 --> 02:19:41,181
the sheriff was going to deal with

3260
02:19:41,181 --> 02:19:42,182
this and a

3261
02:19:42,182 --> 02:19:43,183
lot of municipalities were like okay well

3262
02:19:43,183 --> 02:19:47,187
of no one's coming in a half an hour

3263
02:19:47,187 --> 02:19:49,156
--I'm not saying it wasn't

3264
02:19:49,156 --> 02:19:53,160
in effect, I'm saying it wasn't effective. That's the

3265
02:19:53,160 --> 02:19:54,161
only distinction. But

3266
02:19:54,161 --> 02:19:56,163
you are right this has been pushed

3267
02:19:56,163 --> 02:19:58,563
from the governor's office,

3268
02:19:59,166 --> 02:20:01,566
from the attorney general,

3269
02:20:02,169 --> 02:20:04,171
from federal. That's what

3270
02:20:04,171 --> 02:20:06,173
every municipality has hanging over

3271
02:20:06,173 --> 02:20:07,174
their heads.

3272
02:20:07,174 --> 02:20:08,175
>> other states are not

3273
02:20:08,175 --> 02:20:09,176
doing this but--

3274
02:20:09,176 --> 02:20:11,178
>> I looked at that

3275
02:20:11,178 --> 02:20:13,178
and

3276
02:20:14,181 --> 02:20:17,181
it said at least 40+ states

3277
02:20:17,184 --> 02:20:19,184
, it looked

3278
02:20:19,186 --> 02:20:22,189
like a little over 40 states have signed

3279
02:20:22,189 --> 02:20:23,156
and some states already had state

3280
02:20:23,156 --> 02:20:25,156
law

3281
02:20:25,158 --> 02:20:28,158
that said they couldn't. California,

3282
02:20:29,162 --> 02:20:31,162
oregon,

3283
02:20:34,168 --> 02:20:35,169
but our state is apparently going

3284
02:20:35,169 --> 02:20:36,170
the other direction.

3285
02:20:36,170 --> 02:20:38,170
>> thank you. >>

3286
02:20:38,172 --> 02:20:39,173
councilmember?

3287
02:20:39,173 --> 02:20:41,173
>>

3288
02:20:43,177 --> 02:20:44,178
you answered the question which was

3289
02:20:44,178 --> 02:20:45,179
one of

3290
02:20:45,179 --> 02:20:46,180
mine as well as the vice mayor's question,

3291
02:20:46,180 --> 02:20:49,780
I just heard something about jail.

3292
02:20:50,184 --> 02:20:52,184
did you say

3293
02:20:53,187 --> 02:20:55,587
key west has jails?

3294
02:20:56,156 --> 02:20:58,156
>> it's just mandatory,

3295
02:20:59,159 --> 02:21:01,559
any county or city

3296
02:21:02,162 --> 02:21:05,165
that has a jail, they have

3297
02:21:05,165 --> 02:21:08,168
to sign it by state law.

3298
02:21:08,168 --> 02:21:09,169
>> I was aware of that but I'm also aware that

3299
02:21:09,169 --> 02:21:11,169
we

3300
02:21:11,171 --> 02:21:14,171
do have some holding cells

3301
02:21:14,174 --> 02:21:17,177
that are not in use right now. Does

3302
02:21:17,177 --> 02:21:18,178
that come into it at all?

3303
02:21:18,178 --> 02:21:19,179
>> no, I

3304
02:21:19,179 --> 02:21:20,180
think it has to be a jail where someone

3305
02:21:20,180 --> 02:21:23,180
is being held for a

3306
02:21:23,183 --> 02:21:25,185
more permanent time as opposed to

3307
02:21:25,185 --> 02:21:26,186
temporary.

3308
02:21:26,186 --> 02:21:29,156
>> we no longer use our holding cells.

3309
02:21:29,156 --> 02:21:31,156
>> mandatory

3310
02:21:32,159 --> 02:21:33,160
with a county jail facility.

3311
02:21:33,160 --> 02:21:35,160
>>

3312
02:21:35,162 --> 02:21:37,164
I just wanted to make sure those didn't come into play.

3313
02:21:37,164 --> 02:21:40,167
>> can answer question? There are jails managed

3314
02:21:40,167 --> 02:21:43,767
by the monroe county sheriff's office.

3315
02:21:44,171 --> 02:21:47,174
>> are you done? >> yes, thank you.

3316
02:21:47,174 --> 02:21:49,174
city

3317
02:21:49,176 --> 02:21:50,177
attorney did you have any other reports?

3318
02:21:50,177 --> 02:21:51,178
>>

3319
02:21:51,178 --> 02:21:52,179
no ma'am.

3320
02:21:52,179 --> 02:21:53,180
>>

3321
02:21:53,180 --> 02:21:56,183
I did have one question for you and

3322
02:21:56,183 --> 02:21:58,183
I said again

3323
02:21:59,186 --> 02:22:02,189
, there has been so much controversy out there

3324
02:22:02,189 --> 02:22:04,589
and I would like

3325
02:22:05,158 --> 02:22:07,558
to calm things down.

3326
02:22:08,161 --> 02:22:11,761
could you give a very brief

3327
02:22:13,166 --> 02:22:17,171
clarifying, the meaning of a nonpartisan race?

3328
02:22:17,171 --> 02:22:19,171
>> thank you.

3329
02:22:23,177 --> 02:22:25,177
>>

3330
02:22:26,180 --> 02:22:29,183
I wrote it down so I should have

3331
02:22:29,183 --> 02:22:30,184
it

3332
02:22:30,184 --> 02:22:31,185
>> in layman terms, please.

3333
02:22:31,185 --> 02:22:34,185
>> [ laughter ] okay, here it is.

3334
02:22:35,189 --> 02:22:37,189
so gulfport ordinance

3335
02:22:40,160 --> 02:22:41,161
adopts the state of florida election

3336
02:22:41,161 --> 02:22:43,561
law and florida statute 100

3337
02:22:44,164 --> 02:22:47,167
which is the state election law

3338
02:22:47,167 --> 02:22:49,567
, 100.3605 regulates conduct of municipal

3339
02:22:50,170 --> 02:22:52,570
elections and florida statute 97

3340
02:22:53,173 --> 02:22:55,173
provides

3341
02:22:56,176 --> 02:22:58,176
elections are nonpartisan

3342
02:22:58,178 --> 02:23:02,182
which is defined as an office for which a candidate

3343
02:23:02,182 --> 02:23:04,582
is prohibited from campaigning

3344
02:23:05,185 --> 02:23:09,189
or qualifying for election or retention in office

3345
02:23:09,189 --> 02:23:11,158
based on party affiliation.

3346
02:23:11,158 --> 02:23:14,758
that is the definition of nonpartisan

3347
02:23:17,164 --> 02:23:19,166
so you cannot use your party affiliation

3348
02:23:19,166 --> 02:23:24,566
or run under party affiliation in a nonpartisan election.

3349
02:23:29,176 --> 02:23:31,178
it is something that is supposed to

3350
02:23:31,178 --> 02:23:32,179
be completely excluded.

3351
02:23:32,179 --> 02:23:33,180
>> thank you. Social

3352
02:23:33,180 --> 02:23:34,181
media has not been good to us in the

3353
02:23:34,181 --> 02:23:35,182
last

3354
02:23:35,182 --> 02:23:38,185
week and that was another brouhaha

3355
02:23:38,185 --> 02:23:42,385
about residence being angry that our candidates

3356
02:23:45,158 --> 02:23:46,159
are not going

3357
02:23:46,159 --> 02:23:48,161
out there and promoting their party affiliation and

3358
02:23:48,161 --> 02:23:50,163
I am saying you can't do that.

3359
02:23:50,163 --> 02:23:54,168
it's illegal. So if you hear anybody saying

3360
02:23:54,168 --> 02:23:57,168
that, it's illegal. Don't you

3361
02:23:57,171 --> 02:23:58,172
hate when laws get in the way?

3362
02:23:58,172 --> 02:24:00,174
but that's the law and that's what we

3363
02:24:00,174 --> 02:24:02,574
are going to follow.

3364
02:24:03,177 --> 02:24:04,178
all right, thank you.

3365
02:24:04,178 --> 02:24:05,179
>>

3366
02:24:05,179 --> 02:24:06,180
mayor before we move on can I have one other topic

3367
02:24:06,180 --> 02:24:09,180
to cover? Council had asked

3368
02:24:09,183 --> 02:24:11,183
us

3369
02:24:12,186 --> 02:24:14,188
to look into the feasibility of

3370
02:24:14,188 --> 02:24:15,189
waiving fees, permit fees to properties

3371
02:24:15,189 --> 02:24:18,158
that have been demolished and

3372
02:24:18,158 --> 02:24:20,158
individuals

3373
02:24:20,160 --> 02:24:22,162
are waiting on. We set some basic criteria

3374
02:24:22,162 --> 02:24:25,762
, that they needed to be homesteaded

3375
02:24:26,166 --> 02:24:27,167
and they were in process, things to

3376
02:24:27,167 --> 02:24:29,167
that

3377
02:24:30,170 --> 02:24:32,170
effect. We identified 25

3378
02:24:33,173 --> 02:24:34,174
final demolition permits.

3379
02:24:34,174 --> 02:24:37,774
of those, seven were homestead properties.

3380
02:24:39,179 --> 02:24:40,180
of that, four

3381
02:24:40,180 --> 02:24:43,180
have already started the process.

3382
02:24:43,183 --> 02:24:44,184
two have conveyed to us that they

3383
02:24:44,184 --> 02:24:48,188
are either holding up on their own

3384
02:24:48,188 --> 02:24:50,157
benefit or

3385
02:24:50,157 --> 02:24:52,159
they are in the process of doing it themselves.

3386
02:24:52,159 --> 02:24:54,161
there's not a delay. One property

3387
02:24:54,161 --> 02:24:56,161
we identified

3388
02:24:57,164 --> 02:25:00,167
we had no knowledge of it.

3389
02:25:00,167 --> 02:25:03,170
a lot of the properties have been sold in the last

3390
02:25:03,170 --> 02:25:05,170
year

3391
02:25:06,173 --> 02:25:07,174
and we

3392
02:25:07,174 --> 02:25:09,176
came down to as I've said, there were

3393
02:25:09,176 --> 02:25:12,176
seven homesteaded properties on the

3394
02:25:12,179 --> 02:25:14,181
final demolition list and

3395
02:25:14,181 --> 02:25:15,182
four of them have new construction

3396
02:25:15,182 --> 02:25:17,582
permits which brought us

3397
02:25:18,185 --> 02:25:21,185
to three. Two we are

3398
02:25:21,188 --> 02:25:23,588
knowledgeable of that aren't

3399
02:25:24,157 --> 02:25:26,157
looking for anything

3400
02:25:26,159 --> 02:25:30,163
and another met the criteria. Homesteaded, no permit,

3401
02:25:30,163 --> 02:25:32,163
and we just

3402
02:25:33,166 --> 02:25:37,966
hadn't heard anything yet. Another property you identified

3403
02:25:38,172 --> 02:25:41,175
was for sale. We know it's for sale. We narrowed it

3404
02:25:41,175 --> 02:25:45,179
down to that point but there have been

3405
02:25:45,179 --> 02:25:48,182
25 demolition permits that were fine old

3406
02:25:48,182 --> 02:25:50,182
--'s

3407
02:25:51,185 --> 02:25:53,185
that were final

3408
02:25:54,188 --> 02:25:55,189
.

3409
02:25:55,189 --> 02:25:57,157
>> thank you.

3410
02:25:57,157 --> 02:25:59,157
any questions clarifying

3411
02:26:00,160 --> 02:26:03,160
on that, in speaking order?

3412
02:26:03,163 --> 02:26:05,163
>> just one.

3413
02:26:06,166 --> 02:26:07,167
>> would we need

3414
02:26:07,167 --> 02:26:09,169
to have a consensus whether we wanted

3415
02:26:09,169 --> 02:26:11,169
to

3416
02:26:12,172 --> 02:26:13,173
waive the fees?

3417
02:26:13,173 --> 02:26:15,173
>> the seven

3418
02:26:15,175 --> 02:26:17,175
, of the seven

3419
02:26:17,177 --> 02:26:18,178
there were seven homesteaded. Four

3420
02:26:18,178 --> 02:26:19,179
already started the process and

3421
02:26:19,179 --> 02:26:21,181
are not looking for anything. We've got

3422
02:26:21,181 --> 02:26:24,184
it narrowed down to one property

3423
02:26:24,184 --> 02:26:26,584
that have not made

3424
02:26:27,187 --> 02:26:30,157
up their decision. The others

3425
02:26:30,157 --> 02:26:32,157
have advised us

3426
02:26:33,160 --> 02:26:35,160
you have one

3427
02:26:35,162 --> 02:26:39,362
property you would be waiving fees for.

3428
02:26:42,169 --> 02:26:44,171
>> so we would have to decide whether we

3429
02:26:44,171 --> 02:26:45,172
want to waive it for just one.

3430
02:26:45,172 --> 02:26:47,172
>>

3431
02:26:48,175 --> 02:26:51,178
and you are picking out a person

3432
02:26:51,178 --> 02:26:52,179
and they are realizing a

3433
02:26:52,179 --> 02:26:54,181
benefit that is not available to others.

3434
02:26:54,181 --> 02:26:55,182
>> thank

3435
02:26:55,182 --> 02:27:00,582
you for clarifying and bringing that back to us.

3436
02:27:02,189 --> 02:27:03,156
city clerk report?

3437
02:27:03,156 --> 02:27:04,157
>> no report this evening.

3438
02:27:04,157 --> 02:27:05,158
>>

3439
02:27:05,158 --> 02:27:06,159
it is 8:19 and we will be starting our

3440
02:27:06,159 --> 02:27:08,559
council meeting very soon,

3441
02:27:09,162 --> 02:27:11,164
that I think that I would

3442
02:27:11,164 --> 02:27:12,165
like to maybe take a five-minute bathroom break

3443
02:27:12,165 --> 02:27:14,565
and then we will

3444
02:27:15,169 --> 02:27:17,171
get back and get

3445
02:27:17,171 --> 02:27:18,172
council comments and if we are going past

3446
02:27:18,172 --> 02:27:20,172
10:30

3447
02:27:21,175 --> 02:27:22,176
we will take another break at how

3448
02:27:22,176 --> 02:27:24,176
about

3449
02:27:24,178 --> 02:27:26,180
five minutes right now? I think

3450
02:27:26,180 --> 02:27:29,183
most of you may want to hear the council

3451
02:27:29,183 --> 02:27:32,783
comments. Party me? I'm just saying

3452
02:27:33,187 --> 02:27:36,187
it. We will resume at 10:25.

3453
02:27:38,125 --> 02:27:40,125
>>

3454
02:27:41,128 --> 02:27:45,132
the meeting has resumed. Thank you very

3455
02:27:45,132 --> 02:27:46,133
much, have your seats.

3456
02:27:46,133 --> 02:27:48,135
we will now do council comments and reports

3457
02:27:48,135 --> 02:27:50,135
and

3458
02:27:51,138 --> 02:27:52,139
we will go in order

3459
02:27:52,139 --> 02:27:53,140
starting with councilmember jackson.

3460
02:27:53,140 --> 02:27:54,141
>>

3461
02:27:54,141 --> 02:27:56,141
okay.

3462
02:27:57,144 --> 02:27:58,145
I

3463
02:27:58,145 --> 02:28:00,147
attended the cmp see. I think that's

3464
02:28:00,147 --> 02:28:02,147
the right acronym.

3465
02:28:03,116 --> 02:28:04,117
while we were there they had

3466
02:28:04,117 --> 02:28:06,119
some speakers who were speaking about first contact

3467
02:28:06,119 --> 02:28:08,119
formerly

3468
02:28:11,124 --> 02:28:12,125
known as 211, tampa bay cares which goes in

3469
02:28:12,125 --> 02:28:13,126
line with what we

3470
02:28:13,126 --> 02:28:16,126
saw earlier forgetting housing access,

3471
02:28:17,130 --> 02:28:18,131
disaster response and skilled assistance and

3472
02:28:18,131 --> 02:28:19,132
resources

3473
02:28:19,132 --> 02:28:22,135
for what is needed if you are needing

3474
02:28:22,135 --> 02:28:24,137
financial assistance, experiencing homelessness

3475
02:28:24,137 --> 02:28:26,137
or food insecurity.

3476
02:28:29,142 --> 02:28:33,146
so I'm looking for consensus on council to make

3477
02:28:33,146 --> 02:28:35,146
february 11

3478
02:28:36,149 --> 02:28:38,149
211 day.

3479
02:28:39,119 --> 02:28:41,121
211 for first contact day

3480
02:28:41,121 --> 02:28:45,321
within the city of gulfport so that

3481
02:28:46,126 --> 02:28:48,128
first contact provides financial assistance

3482
02:28:48,128 --> 02:28:50,528
such as overdue rent,

3483
02:28:51,131 --> 02:28:52,132
and you have to

3484
02:28:52,132 --> 02:28:55,135
have eligibility to get the benefits

3485
02:28:55,135 --> 02:28:57,137
. They spend about $100,000 a month on

3486
02:28:57,137 --> 02:28:59,137
financial assistance

3487
02:29:01,141 --> 02:29:04,741
and they have specialty help lines

3488
02:29:07,147 --> 02:29:11,947
for multiple needs within the city for anyone

3489
02:29:12,119 --> 02:29:14,119
who needs something.

3490
02:29:15,122 --> 02:29:17,522
>> what does that mean?

3491
02:29:20,127 --> 02:29:21,128
to publicize the concept?

3492
02:29:21,128 --> 02:29:22,129
>> and we

3493
02:29:22,129 --> 02:29:24,129
will

3494
02:29:24,131 --> 02:29:27,131
have things on the website

3495
02:29:27,134 --> 02:29:29,134
to have resources.

3496
02:29:30,137 --> 02:29:32,137
>>

3497
02:29:33,140 --> 02:29:35,540
a proclamation for resolution.

3498
02:29:36,143 --> 02:29:38,143
thanks.

3499
02:29:39,146 --> 02:29:41,146
>> absolutely.

3500
02:29:42,149 --> 02:29:44,549
they provide help with

3501
02:29:45,118 --> 02:29:47,118
utilities because

3502
02:29:48,121 --> 02:29:50,123
if your water is shut off, they

3503
02:29:50,123 --> 02:29:51,124
can take your children.

3504
02:29:51,124 --> 02:29:53,524
>> we do refer individuals

3505
02:29:57,130 --> 02:29:59,132
and teresa if you

3506
02:29:59,132 --> 02:30:00,133
want to speak to that--

3507
02:30:00,133 --> 02:30:01,134
>> it is something

3508
02:30:01,134 --> 02:30:02,135
that utilities does hand out quite

3509
02:30:02,135 --> 02:30:03,136
often but councilmember jackson got

3510
02:30:03,136 --> 02:30:05,138
that info and I have passed it on

3511
02:30:05,138 --> 02:30:09,142
to utilities to make sure they update

3512
02:30:09,142 --> 02:30:10,143
information

3513
02:30:10,143 --> 02:30:12,145
because they are doing a lot more

3514
02:30:12,145 --> 02:30:14,147
now than what they used to do whereas

3515
02:30:14,147 --> 02:30:15,148
if you cannot pay your utility bill

3516
02:30:15,148 --> 02:30:17,117
we would give you this information.

3517
02:30:17,117 --> 02:30:21,121
they have so many more services now

3518
02:30:21,121 --> 02:30:23,121
and

3519
02:30:27,127 --> 02:30:29,127
council

3520
02:30:29,129 --> 02:30:30,130
manager jackson has put them in touch.

3521
02:30:30,130 --> 02:30:31,131
>>

3522
02:30:31,131 --> 02:30:32,132
so people know you can dial 211 to get

3523
02:30:32,132 --> 02:30:33,133
the information you need and the help

3524
02:30:33,133 --> 02:30:36,133
you need depending on what

3525
02:30:36,136 --> 02:30:39,136
your needs are. Great resource.

3526
02:30:39,139 --> 02:30:41,539
>> that's my report, thanks.

3527
02:30:42,142 --> 02:30:44,142
>> I

3528
02:30:45,145 --> 02:30:48,148
don't have any report. My favorite

3529
02:30:48,148 --> 02:30:50,548
thing is the boomerangs .

3530
02:30:54,121 --> 02:30:55,122
for those of you who

3531
02:30:55,122 --> 02:30:57,124
have a saturday morning you should

3532
02:30:57,124 --> 02:31:00,124
really check out the boomerangs.

3533
02:31:00,127 --> 02:31:02,129
not only is it fun and a great group of guys, but

3534
02:31:02,129 --> 02:31:05,132
they are always collecting food. They had so much

3535
02:31:05,132 --> 02:31:06,133
food that they collected the other

3536
02:31:06,133 --> 02:31:08,133
day and it

3537
02:31:08,135 --> 02:31:11,735
was wonderful. That's it, thank you.

3538
02:31:12,139 --> 02:31:14,139
>> so

3539
02:31:15,142 --> 02:31:17,542
the gulfport environmental team

3540
02:31:18,145 --> 02:31:20,145
have their

3541
02:31:20,147 --> 02:31:21,148
first larger meeting and did a training

3542
02:31:21,148 --> 02:31:23,548
on how to use

3543
02:31:24,117 --> 02:31:26,117
our software so

3544
02:31:26,119 --> 02:31:30,123
we are going to be setting up a date

3545
02:31:30,123 --> 02:31:32,125
to actually measuring trees

3546
02:31:32,125 --> 02:31:33,126
and probably by neighborhood. The

3547
02:31:33,126 --> 02:31:35,526
goal is to have

3548
02:31:36,129 --> 02:31:40,929
people who live in various neighborhoods going around

3549
02:31:42,135 --> 02:31:44,135
and if somebody

3550
02:31:44,137 --> 02:31:45,138
knows someone or someone is doing their

3551
02:31:45,138 --> 02:31:48,141
lawn and they want us to

3552
02:31:48,141 --> 02:31:49,142
measure their trees we will gladly go and

3553
02:31:49,142 --> 02:31:51,144
measure trees. We are not going to

3554
02:31:51,144 --> 02:31:53,544
be invading people's property.

3555
02:31:54,147 --> 02:31:55,148
just want to make sure that is clear. We are primarily

3556
02:31:55,148 --> 02:31:56,149
doing

3557
02:31:56,149 --> 02:32:00,120
public trees and also palm or bamboo

3558
02:32:00,120 --> 02:32:02,120
planted someplace public.

3559
02:32:03,123 --> 02:32:05,125
that means they don't really

3560
02:32:05,125 --> 02:32:06,126
call for canopy cover but you can't plant

3561
02:32:06,126 --> 02:32:08,126
a

3562
02:32:08,128 --> 02:32:11,131
tree because there's already something there.

3563
02:32:11,131 --> 02:32:12,132
we will just kind of be measuring all of

3564
02:32:12,132 --> 02:32:14,132
that

3565
02:32:14,134 --> 02:32:15,135
and the more help we can get the better.

3566
02:32:15,135 --> 02:32:16,136
later we

3567
02:32:16,136 --> 02:32:18,138
want to look at planting trees, doing

3568
02:32:18,138 --> 02:32:20,138
some coastal things,

3569
02:32:21,141 --> 02:32:23,141
but

3570
02:32:24,144 --> 02:32:26,544
we are starting slowly.

3571
02:32:27,147 --> 02:32:28,148
I wanted to ask ,

3572
02:32:28,148 --> 02:32:32,348
now that we are doing permitting different,

3573
02:32:33,120 --> 02:32:35,122
could we get a report similar to what we are

3574
02:32:35,122 --> 02:32:39,126
getting that tells us how many permits

3575
02:32:39,126 --> 02:32:42,129
a contractor is doing, what the time

3576
02:32:42,129 --> 02:32:44,129
frame is,

3577
02:32:45,132 --> 02:32:47,134
and how much money we

3578
02:32:47,134 --> 02:32:48,135
are collecting compared to the total so

3579
02:32:48,135 --> 02:32:52,139
we can see what the revenue difference

3580
02:32:52,139 --> 02:32:53,140
is and how many

3581
02:32:53,140 --> 02:32:56,143
we are doing in house and how long those are taking?

3582
02:32:56,143 --> 02:32:58,145
and especially if they could do a differentiation

3583
02:32:58,145 --> 02:33:00,145
between simple

3584
02:33:01,148 --> 02:33:03,150
things like a fence as opposed

3585
02:33:03,150 --> 02:33:06,119
to someone who's doing a homeowner permit for

3586
02:33:06,119 --> 02:33:07,120
something bigger, that would be great.

3587
02:33:07,120 --> 02:33:09,120
>>

3588
02:33:10,123 --> 02:33:11,124
>> we

3589
02:33:11,124 --> 02:33:13,126
are only doing homeowner permits in

3590
02:33:13,126 --> 02:33:15,126
house, right?

3591
02:33:16,129 --> 02:33:18,529
and then I listened

3592
02:33:19,132 --> 02:33:23,932
to the florida league of cities this morning

3593
02:33:28,141 --> 02:33:29,142
. Some really distressing things

3594
02:33:29,142 --> 02:33:31,144
besides the property tax which people

3595
02:33:31,144 --> 02:33:32,145
are probably

3596
02:33:32,145 --> 02:33:33,146
aware of, but they have a couple of bills that would make it so

3597
02:33:33,146 --> 02:33:37,117
that you don't have to get a permit as

3598
02:33:37,117 --> 02:33:39,117
long as

3599
02:33:39,119 --> 02:33:42,719
a residential person is getting, for $7500

3600
02:33:43,123 --> 02:33:45,123
or less.

3601
02:33:45,125 --> 02:33:47,127
you can do a lot of plumbing or electrical

3602
02:33:47,127 --> 02:33:49,129
work for $7500 and to not have to get a permit

3603
02:33:49,129 --> 02:33:52,129
or have an inspection, not

3604
02:33:52,132 --> 02:33:53,133
necessarily a great idea. And

3605
02:33:53,133 --> 02:33:57,137
another is instead of having our own

3606
02:33:57,137 --> 02:34:00,137
community developer who deals with

3607
02:34:01,141 --> 02:34:03,143
zoning and board of adjustment

3608
02:34:03,143 --> 02:34:06,743
in the planning and zoning board,

3609
02:34:07,147 --> 02:34:09,547
cities have to have

3610
02:34:13,120 --> 02:34:14,121
contracts

3611
02:34:14,121 --> 02:34:15,122
with private contractors and did not

3612
02:34:15,122 --> 02:34:16,123
specify what kind of contractors those are,

3613
02:34:16,123 --> 02:34:19,123
who would do your zoning

3614
02:34:19,126 --> 02:34:20,127
and board of adjustments

3615
02:34:20,127 --> 02:34:24,327
so do your quasijudicial board of adjustments

3616
02:34:25,132 --> 02:34:27,532
and could also change

3617
02:34:30,137 --> 02:34:31,138
zoning and other requirements and the city

3618
02:34:31,138 --> 02:34:32,139
under 10,000 people would be required

3619
02:34:32,139 --> 02:34:33,140
to

3620
02:34:33,140 --> 02:34:34,141
have three on retainer. More than

3621
02:34:34,141 --> 02:34:36,141
10,000

3622
02:34:37,144 --> 02:34:40,147
people. You have to have six.

3623
02:34:40,147 --> 02:34:43,150
so that is a big not

3624
02:34:43,150 --> 02:34:46,119
paid for mandate that we

3625
02:34:46,119 --> 02:34:48,121
would have to do and

3626
02:34:48,121 --> 02:34:49,122
it would mean you get to choose those contractors

3627
02:34:49,122 --> 02:34:51,522
but they can change

3628
02:34:52,125 --> 02:34:55,128
our zoning if they wanted to.

3629
02:34:55,128 --> 02:34:58,131
they are also talking a what-- talking

3630
02:34:58,131 --> 02:35:00,531
about taking away business

3631
02:35:01,134 --> 02:35:03,134
--and

3632
02:35:04,137 --> 02:35:07,140
there's also talk of zoning fees

3633
02:35:07,140 --> 02:35:09,142
and how you can increase or

3634
02:35:09,142 --> 02:35:13,146
not increase them. And there's one about firefighters

3635
02:35:13,146 --> 02:35:16,146
and the health insurance which

3636
02:35:16,149 --> 02:35:19,119
I did not totally get but it's especially

3637
02:35:19,119 --> 02:35:21,121
important if they have a

3638
02:35:21,121 --> 02:35:22,122
cancer diagnosis.

3639
02:35:22,122 --> 02:35:24,122
>> we provide that.

3640
02:35:25,125 --> 02:35:26,126
we do have a cancer policy.

3641
02:35:26,126 --> 02:35:29,126
>> I didn't totally understand that. >>

3642
02:35:31,131 --> 02:35:33,131
we

3643
02:35:34,134 --> 02:35:35,135
do purchase the extra additional insurance.

3644
02:35:35,135 --> 02:35:36,136
>> the other

3645
02:35:36,136 --> 02:35:37,137
thing for firefighters was

3646
02:35:37,137 --> 02:35:40,140
about foam which has p fas in it

3647
02:35:40,140 --> 02:35:43,140
and they are talking about

3648
02:35:43,143 --> 02:35:45,143
banning it and

3649
02:35:45,145 --> 02:35:49,149
the union apparently wants to ban that immediately because it's horrible

3650
02:35:49,149 --> 02:35:51,118
and can be a cause of cancer.

3651
02:35:51,118 --> 02:35:52,119
so there's one thing about not using it

3652
02:35:52,119 --> 02:35:54,121
any more but then

3653
02:35:54,121 --> 02:35:57,721
departments have a stockpile and how

3654
02:35:58,125 --> 02:35:59,126
do you dispose of it? Do we have and

3655
02:35:59,126 --> 02:36:01,526
are we using it?

3656
02:36:04,131 --> 02:36:05,132
>>

3657
02:36:05,132 --> 02:36:06,133
more of that foam has been disposed of.

3658
02:36:06,133 --> 02:36:07,134
>>

3659
02:36:07,134 --> 02:36:10,137
I'm glad to hear that because

3660
02:36:10,137 --> 02:36:12,139
apparently it is expensive and a

3661
02:36:12,139 --> 02:36:16,143
problem to dispose of it so that is good to know.

3662
02:36:16,143 --> 02:36:17,144
and

3663
02:36:17,144 --> 02:36:18,145
then sovereign immunity. There's a couple of bills. That is the amount that

3664
02:36:18,145 --> 02:36:22,149
people can sue the city for. Right now

3665
02:36:22,149 --> 02:36:24,149
it's

3666
02:36:25,118 --> 02:36:27,118
--

3667
02:36:28,121 --> 02:36:31,121
$200 per person or $300 per incident.

3668
02:36:32,125 --> 02:36:34,127
>> they want to potentially change

3669
02:36:34,127 --> 02:36:36,127
it. More

3670
02:36:37,130 --> 02:36:39,130
moderate one is 300

3671
02:36:40,133 --> 02:36:42,135
and 450 which kind of matches

3672
02:36:42,135 --> 02:36:45,735
what cost-of-living changes would be appropriate.

3673
02:36:48,141 --> 02:36:50,143
the other one is $600,000 and $1.2 million and

3674
02:36:50,143 --> 02:36:52,145
you can sue above that if you want to.

3675
02:36:52,145 --> 02:36:55,148
that would be devastating for small cities.

3676
02:36:55,148 --> 02:36:56,149
so those were

3677
02:36:56,149 --> 02:36:58,118
some scary things that I learned.

3678
02:36:58,118 --> 02:37:00,518
and another thing is,

3679
02:37:01,121 --> 02:37:03,521
our tree committee team

3680
02:37:04,124 --> 02:37:06,124
needs tree kits

3681
02:37:10,130 --> 02:37:13,133
and I think we need them for the

3682
02:37:13,133 --> 02:37:14,134
city

3683
02:37:14,134 --> 02:37:16,136
because as our horticulturist plants trees he

3684
02:37:16,136 --> 02:37:18,536
will be plotting them

3685
02:37:19,139 --> 02:37:20,140
so

3686
02:37:20,140 --> 02:37:24,940
he needs a caliper, those are fairly cheap.

3687
02:37:25,145 --> 02:37:26,146
and

3688
02:37:26,146 --> 02:37:28,148
there's a measuring tape so instead of measuring by their

3689
02:37:28,148 --> 02:37:30,117
circumference which

3690
02:37:30,117 --> 02:37:31,118
you can use any old tape measure they do

3691
02:37:31,118 --> 02:37:32,119
it by diameter meaning you have to

3692
02:37:32,119 --> 02:37:34,121
take the circumference and divide

3693
02:37:34,121 --> 02:37:36,121
it by pie.

3694
02:37:37,124 --> 02:37:39,124
maybe your

3695
02:37:40,127 --> 02:37:43,130
calculator on your phone doesn't have that any more

3696
02:37:43,130 --> 02:37:46,130
so they have tape measures

3697
02:37:49,136 --> 02:37:52,139
that have inches on one side and then inches divided by pi on

3698
02:37:52,139 --> 02:37:55,142
the other side. Those are around $40.

3699
02:37:55,142 --> 02:37:57,142
what I'd like

3700
02:37:58,145 --> 02:37:59,146
to do is make sure we have a kit like

3701
02:37:59,146 --> 02:38:00,147
that for the city

3702
02:38:00,147 --> 02:38:05,547
to use and if we could purchase several kits

3703
02:38:08,121 --> 02:38:09,122
and he to

3704
02:38:09,122 --> 02:38:11,124
keep them at the library so people can check them out when they

3705
02:38:11,124 --> 02:38:12,125
are going to do

3706
02:38:12,125 --> 02:38:14,127
some measuring, or have a few with

3707
02:38:14,127 --> 02:38:15,128
the

3708
02:38:15,128 --> 02:38:17,130
team so when we go out we could have them

3709
02:38:17,130 --> 02:38:19,530
it would probably cost

3710
02:38:20,133 --> 02:38:23,133
less than $500 to do that

3711
02:38:23,136 --> 02:38:26,139
so I'm asking for a consensus

3712
02:38:26,139 --> 02:38:28,139
to do that.

3713
02:38:29,142 --> 02:38:32,142
>> I'm sorry how much money? >>

3714
02:38:32,145 --> 02:38:34,145
it's about

3715
02:38:35,148 --> 02:38:37,548
$45 for these measuring tapes

3716
02:38:38,118 --> 02:38:41,118
so if we got 10 of

3717
02:38:41,121 --> 02:38:42,122
those

3718
02:38:42,122 --> 02:38:44,522
, that would be $400 approximately

3719
02:38:47,127 --> 02:38:49,129
and if we got a few of these

3720
02:38:49,129 --> 02:38:50,130
it would be a maximum of $500.

3721
02:38:50,130 --> 02:38:52,530
>> this is for the

3722
02:38:53,133 --> 02:38:55,133
all volunteer group?

3723
02:38:55,135 --> 02:38:56,136
>> some could be kept at the library

3724
02:38:56,136 --> 02:38:58,536
and some kept with

3725
02:38:59,139 --> 02:39:00,140
the team so

3726
02:39:00,140 --> 02:39:01,141
that when people are going out they have them.

3727
02:39:01,141 --> 02:39:02,142
>>

3728
02:39:02,142 --> 02:39:04,542
I'm okay with them.

3729
02:39:05,145 --> 02:39:07,145
>> same.

3730
02:39:08,148 --> 02:39:10,148
>> I

3731
02:39:11,118 --> 02:39:12,119
don't see why not.

3732
02:39:12,119 --> 02:39:14,121
>> can you send me the details

3733
02:39:14,121 --> 02:39:16,121
of what

3734
02:39:17,124 --> 02:39:19,524
exactly do you want?

3735
02:39:20,127 --> 02:39:22,129
>> yes I will send that to you.

3736
02:39:22,129 --> 02:39:23,130
>> so we have a consensus that we can

3737
02:39:23,130 --> 02:39:25,132
use money set aside

3738
02:39:25,132 --> 02:39:26,133
in the tree budget to help this all

3739
02:39:26,133 --> 02:39:27,134
volunteer

3740
02:39:27,134 --> 02:39:29,136
group perform the activities to create

3741
02:39:29,136 --> 02:39:31,136
the survey

3742
02:39:35,142 --> 02:39:38,145
so that we know what our tree canopy is and

3743
02:39:38,145 --> 02:39:41,145
what the starting point is.

3744
02:39:41,148 --> 02:39:43,148
>> okay.

3745
02:39:44,117 --> 02:39:46,117
well first

3746
02:39:47,120 --> 02:39:49,122
I would like to cover

3747
02:39:49,122 --> 02:39:53,126
something that I did not comment on before because

3748
02:39:53,126 --> 02:39:56,129
there was a consensus already and that

3749
02:39:56,129 --> 02:39:58,529
is the e communications.

3750
02:39:59,132 --> 02:40:00,133
first and foremost with me it is always

3751
02:40:00,133 --> 02:40:01,134
important

3752
02:40:01,134 --> 02:40:05,138
to me to hear from residents , of course,

3753
02:40:05,138 --> 02:40:08,738
but I want to make sure

3754
02:40:10,143 --> 02:40:11,144
we are not setting precedent as to handle

3755
02:40:11,144 --> 02:40:13,144
future communications.

3756
02:40:14,147 --> 02:40:16,547
I understand this one

3757
02:40:20,120 --> 02:40:22,120
so I am

3758
02:40:22,122 --> 02:40:23,123
not refuting that but I am expressing

3759
02:40:23,123 --> 02:40:25,125
concern about a precedence

3760
02:40:25,125 --> 02:40:27,127
and while on that topic I wanted to

3761
02:40:27,127 --> 02:40:29,129
say thank you to everyone who provided

3762
02:40:29,129 --> 02:40:31,131
input at the workshop

3763
02:40:31,131 --> 02:40:34,134
. It was really informative and pretrade

3764
02:40:34,134 --> 02:40:37,134
--portrayed the past consensus remains

3765
02:40:38,138 --> 02:40:39,139
strong so thank you again

3766
02:40:39,139 --> 02:40:42,739
to everybody who participated in that.

3767
02:40:45,145 --> 02:40:46,146
it was uplifting to see employees

3768
02:40:46,146 --> 02:40:47,147
recognize that the employee appreciation

3769
02:40:47,147 --> 02:40:49,147
luncheon and

3770
02:40:49,149 --> 02:40:55,149
more so to see so many staff in one place

3771
02:40:59,126 --> 02:41:00,127
talking laughing and

3772
02:41:00,127 --> 02:41:01,128
enjoying time together. The mutual respect shown

3773
02:41:01,128 --> 02:41:04,131
amongst many staff members was also palpable. It

3774
02:41:04,131 --> 02:41:05,132
was really quite wonderful. Attending the arbor day celebration

3775
02:41:05,132 --> 02:41:07,532
and seeing children participate

3776
02:41:08,135 --> 02:41:09,136
including planting a tree was a beautiful

3777
02:41:09,136 --> 02:41:10,137
scene

3778
02:41:10,137 --> 02:41:11,138
and indicative of our future. Council

3779
02:41:11,138 --> 02:41:12,139
member

3780
02:41:12,139 --> 02:41:14,141
earley already mentioned the boomerangs

3781
02:41:14,141 --> 02:41:16,141
, the food bank

3782
02:41:17,144 --> 02:41:20,144
collection for the senior center

3783
02:41:20,147 --> 02:41:22,547
and it was such

3784
02:41:23,150 --> 02:41:24,117
an event. They are always

3785
02:41:24,117 --> 02:41:27,717
so full of camaraderie and warmth

3786
02:41:28,121 --> 02:41:32,125
and they also reported that as far as the

3787
02:41:32,125 --> 02:41:34,525
cancer fund, they raised

3788
02:41:35,128 --> 02:41:37,128
$3000

3789
02:41:38,131 --> 02:41:39,132
that council member earley

3790
02:41:39,132 --> 02:41:41,134
and I attended a couple months ago

3791
02:41:41,134 --> 02:41:43,134
maybe?

3792
02:41:44,137 --> 02:41:46,137
I've continued

3793
02:41:49,142 --> 02:41:50,143
to attend weekly webinars in preparation for

3794
02:41:50,143 --> 02:41:52,543
going to the legislative

3795
02:41:53,146 --> 02:41:55,546
session in tallahassee and

3796
02:41:56,149 --> 02:41:59,119
the vice mayor reported on a number of those things.

3797
02:41:59,119 --> 02:42:01,519
it was approaching 2000 bills

3798
02:42:05,125 --> 02:42:07,125
and

3799
02:42:07,127 --> 02:42:08,128
it really shocked me to hear that

3800
02:42:08,128 --> 02:42:11,128
one day alone 700 came in.

3801
02:42:11,131 --> 02:42:13,131
it

3802
02:42:13,133 --> 02:42:14,134
is going to be a riproaring time there.

3803
02:42:14,134 --> 02:42:16,134
I'm enjoying

3804
02:42:16,136 --> 02:42:17,137
the community art openings. There

3805
02:42:17,137 --> 02:42:19,137
were three on

3806
02:42:20,140 --> 02:42:23,740
friday night and if you missed

3807
02:42:26,146 --> 02:42:27,147
the play

3808
02:42:27,147 --> 02:42:29,149
beyond therapy, you missed a lot of laughs.

3809
02:42:29,149 --> 02:42:31,149
the gabber

3810
02:42:34,121 --> 02:42:35,122
debate was a great opportunity to meet

3811
02:42:35,122 --> 02:42:37,122
and speak with

3812
02:42:37,124 --> 02:42:38,125
candidates. Next we look forward to

3813
02:42:38,125 --> 02:42:41,128
the league of women voters candidate forum

3814
02:42:41,128 --> 02:42:43,130
on january 29, 6:00 p.m. And I

3815
02:42:43,130 --> 02:42:47,134
hope everybody can get to that. There was a

3816
02:42:47,134 --> 02:42:50,137
good showing last night and I hope

3817
02:42:50,137 --> 02:42:53,140
the hickman venue with even more seating

3818
02:42:53,140 --> 02:42:55,140
that everyone

3819
02:42:55,142 --> 02:42:56,143
could not make it last night can make

3820
02:42:56,143 --> 02:42:58,543
it to this one.

3821
02:42:59,146 --> 02:43:02,149
and by the way they are all recorded.

3822
02:43:02,149 --> 02:43:05,118
one is on youtube and I believe

3823
02:43:05,118 --> 02:43:08,121
they are going to record at the hickman as

3824
02:43:08,121 --> 02:43:10,121
well.

3825
02:43:11,124 --> 02:43:14,724
I will follow up on that.

3826
02:43:15,128 --> 02:43:16,129
while on the

3827
02:43:16,129 --> 02:43:18,131
topic of candidates I am not code enforcement

3828
02:43:18,131 --> 02:43:19,132
but

3829
02:43:19,132 --> 02:43:21,134
I am just asking everyone to help their

3830
02:43:21,134 --> 02:43:23,134
candidate

3831
02:43:23,136 --> 02:43:27,936
by adhering to the sign codes regarding three--

3832
02:43:33,146 --> 02:43:34,147
3' from

3833
02:43:34,147 --> 02:43:35,148
sidewalks and 10' from the streets and not

3834
02:43:35,148 --> 02:43:36,149
on right of ways. I drove down 57

3835
02:43:36,149 --> 02:43:38,118
street

3836
02:43:38,118 --> 02:43:39,119
and turn left on 15th avenue and there

3837
02:43:39,119 --> 02:43:40,120
were numerous signs that could be

3838
02:43:40,120 --> 02:43:41,121
removed

3839
02:43:41,121 --> 02:43:42,122
by code enforcement so I am hoping that

3840
02:43:42,122 --> 02:43:43,123
the

3841
02:43:43,123 --> 02:43:46,126
friends of those candidates get those

3842
02:43:46,126 --> 02:43:50,130
addressed. For those that asked about lighting

3843
02:43:50,130 --> 02:43:53,130
particularly near the tiki , staff

3844
02:43:53,133 --> 02:43:57,137
is working on this. As a revenue source,

3845
02:43:57,137 --> 02:43:59,537
a resident suggested we

3846
02:44:00,140 --> 02:44:02,142
move the boat lifts

3847
02:44:02,142 --> 02:44:03,143
now rather than waiting for the new

3848
02:44:03,143 --> 02:44:05,143
ones that

3849
02:44:06,146 --> 02:44:08,148
the city manager's advice

3850
02:44:08,148 --> 02:44:09,149
that it's cost prohibitive but great

3851
02:44:09,149 --> 02:44:10,150
to

3852
02:44:10,150 --> 02:44:12,119
know that our residents are trying

3853
02:44:12,119 --> 02:44:14,519
to think of ways

3854
02:44:18,125 --> 02:44:19,126
to raise

3855
02:44:19,126 --> 02:44:20,127
revenue. For those inquiring about

3856
02:44:20,127 --> 02:44:21,128
the orange fenced area work had begun.

3857
02:44:21,128 --> 02:44:23,130
I did not make it there

3858
02:44:23,130 --> 02:44:24,131
to see the progress yet but I am anxious to

3859
02:44:24,131 --> 02:44:26,133
do so as I know

3860
02:44:26,133 --> 02:44:30,137
that others are. Considering the numerous property tax bills introduced

3861
02:44:30,137 --> 02:44:31,138
this

3862
02:44:31,138 --> 02:44:33,140
year every one of us needs to understand

3863
02:44:33,140 --> 02:44:34,141
the effects that these could have on

3864
02:44:34,141 --> 02:44:35,142
our city and be able to vote accordingly.

3865
02:44:35,142 --> 02:44:37,542
an excellent user-friendly source

3866
02:44:41,148 --> 02:44:42,149
is on the homepage under top news.

3867
02:44:42,149 --> 02:44:44,549
very easy to find.

3868
02:44:45,118 --> 02:44:46,119
I found it just like that

3869
02:44:46,119 --> 02:44:48,121
even though I am still familiarizing with

3870
02:44:48,121 --> 02:44:50,121
our new

3871
02:44:50,123 --> 02:44:54,127
website which, thank you by the way. There's a breakdown

3872
02:44:54,127 --> 02:44:57,130
of where taxes are budgeted down to

3873
02:44:57,130 --> 02:44:58,131
the scent, for example the

3874
02:44:58,131 --> 02:45:00,133
police department $.25 and there's

3875
02:45:00,133 --> 02:45:02,533
a breakdown of how

3876
02:45:03,136 --> 02:45:06,139
they receive money, how to read your tax bill

3877
02:45:06,139 --> 02:45:08,539
and see what part

3878
02:45:09,142 --> 02:45:11,542
comes to the city.

3879
02:45:12,145 --> 02:45:14,545
how taxes are calculated,

3880
02:45:15,148 --> 02:45:17,148
and even a

3881
02:45:18,118 --> 02:45:20,518
city tax allocation calculator.

3882
02:45:21,121 --> 02:45:22,122
it is all simple to

3883
02:45:22,122 --> 02:45:24,124
read and it doesn't take you an hour,

3884
02:45:24,124 --> 02:45:26,126
is what I am trying to convey.

3885
02:45:26,126 --> 02:45:27,127
everyone please take a look at it.

3886
02:45:27,127 --> 02:45:29,129
even without the legislature

3887
02:45:29,129 --> 02:45:30,130
submitting bills it is informative and interesting.

3888
02:45:30,130 --> 02:45:32,130
in

3889
02:45:32,132 --> 02:45:33,133
regards to the website I also want

3890
02:45:33,133 --> 02:45:36,133
to say that the adopt

3891
02:45:36,136 --> 02:45:38,136
a dream program

3892
02:45:39,139 --> 02:45:41,539
, there is already a

3893
02:45:42,142 --> 02:45:45,742
map connected but soon the map

3894
02:45:47,147 --> 02:45:48,148
will be active so people can go on and look for the area they want

3895
02:45:48,148 --> 02:45:50,148
to adopt and

3896
02:45:51,118 --> 02:45:53,118
select that

3897
02:45:54,121 --> 02:45:57,121
and go on from there.

3898
02:45:57,124 --> 02:45:59,524
in conversations with residents

3899
02:46:03,130 --> 02:46:05,132
on a wide range of topics

3900
02:46:05,132 --> 02:46:06,133
, excuse me, getting tongue-tied trying

3901
02:46:06,133 --> 02:46:08,133
to

3902
02:46:09,136 --> 02:46:12,139
get it all in. Two issues have been predominant. Acknowledgment

3903
02:46:12,139 --> 02:46:14,139
of

3904
02:46:15,142 --> 02:46:17,144
our sundown history and even an mlk

3905
02:46:17,144 --> 02:46:18,145
memorial and then concerns regarding

3906
02:46:18,145 --> 02:46:20,145
ice

3907
02:46:20,147 --> 02:46:21,148
as we heard earlier. The first of

3908
02:46:21,148 --> 02:46:23,148
these

3909
02:46:24,117 --> 02:46:26,517
is included under discussions

3910
02:46:29,122 --> 02:46:30,123
. On the topic of ice I don't think I

3911
02:46:30,123 --> 02:46:32,123
need to go

3912
02:46:32,125 --> 02:46:33,126
into a lot of the details that I put

3913
02:46:33,126 --> 02:46:36,129
into it and what I was going

3914
02:46:36,129 --> 02:46:38,131
to recommend is that we have a workshop or a

3915
02:46:38,131 --> 02:46:42,135
forum and we did have some residents

3916
02:46:42,135 --> 02:46:45,138
speak to that and make some suggestions as well but

3917
02:46:45,138 --> 02:46:47,138
there's a

3918
02:46:47,140 --> 02:46:48,141
lot of questions about it and a lot of

3919
02:46:48,141 --> 02:46:50,541
misinformation and I think

3920
02:46:51,144 --> 02:46:53,144
that

3921
02:46:54,147 --> 02:46:57,150
could be a really positive thing

3922
02:46:57,150 --> 02:46:58,118
for us. There is so much fear and

3923
02:46:58,118 --> 02:46:59,119
so much

3924
02:46:59,119 --> 02:47:02,119
information out there being discussed

3925
02:47:03,123 --> 02:47:05,125
and the only way we can fully

3926
02:47:05,125 --> 02:47:06,126
understand these things is to communicate

3927
02:47:06,126 --> 02:47:08,526
and talk about it.

3928
02:47:12,132 --> 02:47:13,133
I won't go through the

3929
02:47:13,133 --> 02:47:15,135
examples of questions because I think

3930
02:47:15,135 --> 02:47:16,136
we had plenty of those earlier. With

3931
02:47:16,136 --> 02:47:18,138
that, that is the

3932
02:47:18,138 --> 02:47:21,141
end of my report and thank you.

3933
02:47:21,141 --> 02:47:23,141
>> very thorough.

3934
02:47:24,144 --> 02:47:27,147
>> I hope I get to reports but first

3935
02:47:27,147 --> 02:47:29,547
I wanted to address

3936
02:47:30,150 --> 02:47:33,120
some of the public comments. I would like to say

3937
02:47:33,120 --> 02:47:36,720
I get many emails from deborah

3938
02:47:42,129 --> 02:47:43,130
about a number of things but one of the

3939
02:47:43,130 --> 02:47:45,132
things, and it was red tonight by our city clerk,

3940
02:47:45,132 --> 02:47:48,135
says I never know because she doesn't

3941
02:47:48,135 --> 02:47:49,136
talk in sentences but yes I did meet

3942
02:47:49,136 --> 02:47:51,136
with her in

3943
02:47:54,141 --> 02:47:56,141
april 2025. Absolutely.

3944
02:47:57,144 --> 02:47:59,144
yes

3945
02:47:59,146 --> 02:48:04,117
she talked about the lincoln cemetery. She talked about many things.

3946
02:48:04,117 --> 02:48:05,118
probably about 15 minutes

3947
02:48:05,118 --> 02:48:07,120
into the conversation I'm not sure what

3948
02:48:07,120 --> 02:48:08,121
we were talking about

3949
02:48:08,121 --> 02:48:10,123
but it did happen. She says in her statement

3950
02:48:10,123 --> 02:48:12,123
that

3951
02:48:13,126 --> 02:48:15,526
I do not acknowledge

3952
02:48:19,132 --> 02:48:21,134
that when we got the deed

3953
02:48:21,134 --> 02:48:25,138
for the cemetery-- that's not right. When

3954
02:48:25,138 --> 02:48:27,538
the lincoln cemetery was

3955
02:48:28,141 --> 02:48:30,141
d annexed

3956
02:48:31,144 --> 02:48:33,544
, that document is signed

3957
02:48:34,147 --> 02:48:37,150
and she is absolutely correct it

3958
02:48:37,150 --> 02:48:39,150
is not dated.

3959
02:48:40,120 --> 02:48:41,121
I don't know what the

3960
02:48:41,121 --> 02:48:43,123
policies were in 1967. I wasn't here. That's

3961
02:48:43,123 --> 02:48:46,126
when this happened. How did I

3962
02:48:46,126 --> 02:48:47,127
know that?

3963
02:48:47,127 --> 02:48:49,129
when the mayor's office sent me those

3964
02:48:49,129 --> 02:48:50,130
documents at my request

3965
02:48:50,130 --> 02:48:52,132
and I shared it with everybody up here at

3966
02:48:52,132 --> 02:48:54,132
council,

3967
02:48:56,136 --> 02:48:58,138
debra never gave me those documents.

3968
02:48:58,138 --> 02:49:00,140
she likes to say

3969
02:49:00,140 --> 02:49:01,141
she gave it to me. I've also asked

3970
02:49:01,141 --> 02:49:02,142
my staff if

3971
02:49:02,142 --> 02:49:04,144
it's a problem that was not signed

3972
02:49:04,144 --> 02:49:06,144
and

3973
02:49:07,147 --> 02:49:10,150
dave said no but I don't know

3974
02:49:10,150 --> 02:49:12,119
because I wasn't here so

3975
02:49:12,119 --> 02:49:13,120
I just want to clarify yes I did meet with

3976
02:49:13,120 --> 02:49:15,122
her and she did talk about the lincoln

3977
02:49:15,122 --> 02:49:16,123
cemetery, and she did not give me

3978
02:49:16,123 --> 02:49:18,123
documents

3979
02:49:19,126 --> 02:49:22,129
and it's true that that transfer

3980
02:49:22,129 --> 02:49:24,529
there, when the deed,

3981
02:49:25,132 --> 02:49:27,532
I keep saying deed

3982
02:49:28,135 --> 02:49:30,137
because I come from real estate and

3983
02:49:30,137 --> 02:49:31,138
it's a different thing but when we annexed that

3984
02:49:31,138 --> 02:49:33,140
property and everybody signed it

3985
02:49:33,140 --> 02:49:37,144
in fresh, blue ink , there's no date on it.

3986
02:49:37,144 --> 02:49:40,147
that is true. The second thing I

3987
02:49:40,147 --> 02:49:42,547
wanted to address was

3988
02:49:43,150 --> 02:49:45,150
,

3989
02:49:46,119 --> 02:49:49,122
the budget for advertising with the gabber .

3990
02:49:49,122 --> 02:49:51,124
that was never handled by

3991
02:49:51,124 --> 02:49:56,524
city council nor was it discussed in years past.

3992
02:49:57,130 --> 02:50:00,133
that has always been handled by the city manager and has

3993
02:50:00,133 --> 02:50:04,137
been in years past and it did happen again this year.

3994
02:50:04,137 --> 02:50:07,137
in terms of joe's statement

3995
02:50:07,140 --> 02:50:09,140
somehow

3996
02:50:10,143 --> 02:50:12,145
that I should be writing for the gabber doing

3997
02:50:12,145 --> 02:50:15,745
--I've only lived here 15 years but

3998
02:50:16,149 --> 02:50:17,150
in my 15 years,

3999
02:50:17,150 --> 02:50:19,119
I have not seen a single mayor in any

4000
02:50:19,119 --> 02:50:22,119
of our cities routinely right

4001
02:50:22,122 --> 02:50:24,124
for the gabber. That

4002
02:50:24,124 --> 02:50:25,125
was never given to me as a job description

4003
02:50:25,125 --> 02:50:28,125
so I never saw that.

4004
02:50:28,128 --> 02:50:30,130
I am doing a lot

4005
02:50:30,130 --> 02:50:31,131
of communicating, I think , compared

4006
02:50:31,131 --> 02:50:33,531
to what I ever

4007
02:50:34,134 --> 02:50:36,136
saw in the past,

4008
02:50:36,136 --> 02:50:37,137
and I'm sorry you choose not to go

4009
02:50:37,137 --> 02:50:40,140
on social media and that's okay.

4010
02:50:40,140 --> 02:50:41,141
because on the website there is a

4011
02:50:41,141 --> 02:50:43,141
weekly--

4012
02:50:43,143 --> 02:50:45,543
let me back up.

4013
02:50:49,149 --> 02:50:50,150
on the website all of us can write

4014
02:50:50,150 --> 02:50:52,119
our monthly reports. I do that. You

4015
02:50:52,119 --> 02:50:54,119
can read them

4016
02:50:55,122 --> 02:50:58,125
any time. On a weekly basis

4017
02:50:58,125 --> 02:51:00,127
there is a newsletter

4018
02:51:00,127 --> 02:51:01,128
emailed to anyone who signs up and

4019
02:51:01,128 --> 02:51:03,528
it takes about 10 seconds.

4020
02:51:04,131 --> 02:51:06,531
in that I will

4021
02:51:09,136 --> 02:51:10,137
tell what happened. I am not required

4022
02:51:10,137 --> 02:51:12,139
to write but I routinely do.

4023
02:51:12,139 --> 02:51:13,140
it's rare that I miss a monday like I

4024
02:51:13,140 --> 02:51:15,140
did

4025
02:51:15,142 --> 02:51:18,145
this monday but rare that I miss that so there's ways

4026
02:51:18,145 --> 02:51:19,146
for you to know what's going on even

4027
02:51:19,146 --> 02:51:21,146
if you

4028
02:51:21,148 --> 02:51:22,149
don't use social media. When people

4029
02:51:22,149 --> 02:51:24,549
say I don't write

4030
02:51:25,118 --> 02:51:26,119
for the

4031
02:51:26,119 --> 02:51:28,121
gabber again I don't see another mayor

4032
02:51:28,121 --> 02:51:31,124
writing for the gabber and interesting

4033
02:51:31,124 --> 02:51:34,127
enough when I look at the gabber

4034
02:51:34,127 --> 02:51:35,128
, I don't see a single city that is advertising

4035
02:51:35,128 --> 02:51:36,129
and

4036
02:51:36,129 --> 02:51:39,729
spending advertising dollars besides gulfport so

4037
02:51:40,133 --> 02:51:41,134
I don't understand why there is anger

4038
02:51:41,134 --> 02:51:43,134
about

4039
02:51:43,136 --> 02:51:46,139
how much we do or do not spend

4040
02:51:46,139 --> 02:51:48,139
and

4041
02:51:48,141 --> 02:51:49,142
is that directed at the other cities

4042
02:51:49,142 --> 02:51:50,143
as well? I don't really understand.

4043
02:51:50,143 --> 02:51:51,144
that is an

4044
02:51:51,144 --> 02:51:54,144
administrative decision that was made.

4045
02:51:55,148 --> 02:51:57,148
susan?

4046
02:52:01,121 --> 02:52:03,121
I will always

4047
02:52:04,124 --> 02:52:06,126
hold onto believing it

4048
02:52:06,126 --> 02:52:09,129
couldn't happen to us is the same as

4049
02:52:09,129 --> 02:52:12,132
believing that hurricanes can't come our way.

4050
02:52:12,132 --> 02:52:13,133
I think that was a really potent analogy and with

4051
02:52:13,133 --> 02:52:15,133
that in mind,

4052
02:52:16,136 --> 02:52:17,137
you don't know how much I

4053
02:52:17,137 --> 02:52:20,737
appreciate that we do have people

4054
02:52:21,141 --> 02:52:25,145
speaking up and who are watching and being proactive lives.

4055
02:52:25,145 --> 02:52:27,545
I do appreciate that

4056
02:52:28,148 --> 02:52:31,118
. That is not the same as

4057
02:52:31,118 --> 02:52:34,118
making decisions based on that.

4058
02:52:34,121 --> 02:52:36,521
and the last response

4059
02:52:37,124 --> 02:52:39,524
that I heard was

4060
02:52:40,127 --> 02:52:41,128
the workshop on

4061
02:52:41,128 --> 02:52:43,130
ice I think would be an excellent

4062
02:52:43,130 --> 02:52:45,132
idea to do that. It

4063
02:52:45,132 --> 02:52:46,133
would have been so much better to

4064
02:52:46,133 --> 02:52:48,533
have done that tonight

4065
02:52:49,136 --> 02:52:55,136
but we were kind of hijacked and we didn't know

4066
02:52:55,142 --> 02:52:59,146
this was going to happen and took a long time.

4067
02:52:59,146 --> 02:53:00,147
I

4068
02:53:00,147 --> 02:53:01,148
definitely, all of us would have been

4069
02:53:01,148 --> 02:53:04,151
better prepared if it had been a workshop.

4070
02:53:04,151 --> 02:53:07,120
the things that I wrote that I wanted

4071
02:53:07,120 --> 02:53:10,123
to say is this. My job is to take

4072
02:53:10,123 --> 02:53:12,125
care of local issues. That's what

4073
02:53:12,125 --> 02:53:14,127
I was voted in to do and what I intend

4074
02:53:14,127 --> 02:53:16,527
to do. I am

4075
02:53:17,130 --> 02:53:20,133
on this--when I am on this dais

4076
02:53:20,133 --> 02:53:22,533
my opinion should be

4077
02:53:25,138 --> 02:53:26,139
what I feel is in the best interest

4078
02:53:26,139 --> 02:53:28,139
of the city

4079
02:53:28,141 --> 02:53:29,142
after listening to my staff and residents.

4080
02:53:29,142 --> 02:53:32,142
it is not to move

4081
02:53:32,145 --> 02:53:34,147
forward any personal opinion. I

4082
02:53:34,147 --> 02:53:38,118
have to bite my tongue, or any political party.

4083
02:53:38,118 --> 02:53:41,121
the agenda of any political party. I

4084
02:53:41,121 --> 02:53:44,124
wanted to say that. And then

4085
02:53:44,124 --> 02:53:46,126
I want to drop down and say

4086
02:53:46,126 --> 02:53:49,129
while I encourage free speech, I do not appreciate

4087
02:53:49,129 --> 02:53:53,133
people stirring the pot by creating fake posts

4088
02:53:53,133 --> 02:53:55,533
with photos of ice

4089
02:53:56,136 --> 02:53:58,138
in it , ice vehicles

4090
02:53:58,138 --> 02:53:59,139
in it who want us to believe that

4091
02:53:59,139 --> 02:54:01,539
we are being invaded.

4092
02:54:05,145 --> 02:54:06,146
people do that, we are

4093
02:54:06,146 --> 02:54:08,148
not going to believe them when it

4094
02:54:08,148 --> 02:54:11,118
really happens. So let's stick

4095
02:54:11,118 --> 02:54:13,120
with the truth and figure out

4096
02:54:13,120 --> 02:54:14,121
what we are going to do if that should

4097
02:54:14,121 --> 02:54:15,122
come

4098
02:54:15,122 --> 02:54:17,124
our way. Is kind of what I want to say.

4099
02:54:17,124 --> 02:54:19,524
in terms of reports

4100
02:54:20,127 --> 02:54:22,127
I did attend

4101
02:54:23,130 --> 02:54:25,530
the ford pinellas meeting.

4102
02:54:26,133 --> 02:54:28,133
we

4103
02:54:29,136 --> 02:54:32,136
have a ford pinellas meeting

4104
02:54:36,143 --> 02:54:40,343
what they are working on right now,

4105
02:54:41,148 --> 02:54:44,151
they are trying to do this because

4106
02:54:44,151 --> 02:54:46,119
they want to as opposed

4107
02:54:46,119 --> 02:54:47,120
to, there's a suggestion the state is

4108
02:54:47,120 --> 02:54:49,120
going to require

4109
02:54:50,123 --> 02:54:52,125
that the three counties merge

4110
02:54:52,125 --> 02:54:56,925
and that their only be one planning committee

4111
02:54:57,130 --> 02:54:59,132
for the whole metropolitan and tampa bay area.

4112
02:54:59,132 --> 02:55:00,133
it

4113
02:55:00,133 --> 02:55:04,333
would combine the counties that I just

4114
02:55:05,138 --> 02:55:06,139
said. So there's a lot of talk about

4115
02:55:06,139 --> 02:55:07,140
that. I

4116
02:55:07,140 --> 02:55:08,141
expressed to the director of that group

4117
02:55:08,141 --> 02:55:09,142
that

4118
02:55:09,142 --> 02:55:11,144
I had real concerns because even when

4119
02:55:11,144 --> 02:55:14,147
I attend the meetings there is

4120
02:55:14,147 --> 02:55:16,147
so little information

4121
02:55:17,150 --> 02:55:18,118
about south pinellas. So much more

4122
02:55:18,118 --> 02:55:20,118
is

4123
02:55:20,120 --> 02:55:22,122
about the north side

4124
02:55:22,122 --> 02:55:23,123
and if we go to a larger planning

4125
02:55:23,123 --> 02:55:25,123
commission that I

4126
02:55:25,125 --> 02:55:26,126
have real concerns we are going to

4127
02:55:26,126 --> 02:55:27,127
get lost unknown is

4128
02:55:27,127 --> 02:55:29,129
going to knowledge the issues that

4129
02:55:29,129 --> 02:55:31,529
we have going on.

4130
02:55:32,132 --> 02:55:33,133
so I

4131
02:55:33,133 --> 02:55:35,135
appreciated I was able to say that

4132
02:55:35,135 --> 02:55:37,137
to him and he said yes

4133
02:55:37,137 --> 02:55:38,138
he has heard that from other cities

4134
02:55:38,138 --> 02:55:41,141
and small cities as well. He

4135
02:55:41,141 --> 02:55:42,142
did invite me to, there's going to

4136
02:55:42,142 --> 02:55:43,143
be another

4137
02:55:43,143 --> 02:55:47,147
meeting where the people are going to

4138
02:55:47,147 --> 02:55:49,149
meet with one other

4139
02:55:49,149 --> 02:55:52,749
larger planning councils outside of orlando

4140
02:55:53,120 --> 02:55:54,121
but don't quote me were they've

4141
02:55:54,121 --> 02:55:56,123
done exactly what they're talking about doing

4142
02:55:56,123 --> 02:55:58,123
here and

4143
02:55:58,125 --> 02:55:59,126
he would like for me to attend that

4144
02:55:59,126 --> 02:56:01,126
because I have

4145
02:56:02,129 --> 02:56:04,529
an opportunity to speak

4146
02:56:08,135 --> 02:56:09,136
to some of the mayors and the people from smaller

4147
02:56:09,136 --> 02:56:11,136
cities and

4148
02:56:11,138 --> 02:56:13,140
see what their reaction is going to

4149
02:56:13,140 --> 02:56:14,141
be. That to me would be an important thing for me to attend

4150
02:56:14,141 --> 02:56:17,144
and then to come back and tell

4151
02:56:17,144 --> 02:56:19,146
you what I think. Though there will only be one

4152
02:56:19,146 --> 02:56:20,147
vote whether a merge happens or not,

4153
02:56:20,147 --> 02:56:21,148
I

4154
02:56:21,148 --> 02:56:23,150
don't know if donovan has heard anything

4155
02:56:23,150 --> 02:56:26,119
like this but definitely what I

4156
02:56:26,119 --> 02:56:29,122
am getting the read on is that

4157
02:56:29,122 --> 02:56:30,123
if

4158
02:56:30,123 --> 02:56:32,125
the three counties do not decide to

4159
02:56:32,125 --> 02:56:33,126
do this amongst themselves and how

4160
02:56:33,126 --> 02:56:34,127
they

4161
02:56:34,127 --> 02:56:39,527
want to do it, the state may tell them

4162
02:56:40,133 --> 02:56:41,134
they have to do it and how they are

4163
02:56:41,134 --> 02:56:44,137
going to do it. So just another

4164
02:56:44,137 --> 02:56:46,139
case where state might be

4165
02:56:46,139 --> 02:56:47,140
trying to tell us what we need to

4166
02:56:47,140 --> 02:56:48,141
do and I will keep you as informed

4167
02:56:48,141 --> 02:56:50,141
as

4168
02:56:50,143 --> 02:56:52,543
I can, thank you.

4169
02:56:53,146 --> 02:56:56,149
>> can I add one quick thing?

4170
02:56:56,149 --> 02:56:58,118
>> no. You

4171
02:56:58,118 --> 02:56:59,119
can under new business if you'd like.

4172
02:56:59,119 --> 02:57:01,119
>>

4173
02:57:02,122 --> 02:57:04,522
let's move to consent.

4174
02:57:23,143 --> 02:57:24,144
>> consent item 68. Consider approval of

4175
02:57:24,144 --> 02:57:26,146
meeting minutes from meeting held

4176
02:57:26,146 --> 02:57:27,147
january 6, 2026. 6b, resolution 2026

4177
02:57:27,147 --> 02:57:28,148
- 02, a resolution authorizing

4178
02:57:28,148 --> 02:57:29,149
the city manager to approve the purchase

4179
02:57:29,149 --> 02:57:30,150
of advanced metering infrastructure

4180
02:57:30,150 --> 02:57:31,151
gateway equipment and support

4181
02:57:31,151 --> 02:57:32,119
services from neptune technology group.

4182
02:57:32,119 --> 02:57:33,120
>>

4183
02:57:33,120 --> 02:57:34,121
resolution 2026 -03 a resolution authorizing

4184
02:57:34,121 --> 02:57:35,122
the city

4185
02:57:35,122 --> 02:57:36,123
manager to enter into a contract with

4186
02:57:36,123 --> 02:57:37,124
kirms communications llc for the installation

4187
02:57:37,124 --> 02:57:39,126
of four advanced metering infrastructure polls

4188
02:57:39,126 --> 02:57:41,126
and mounted hardware.

4189
02:57:42,129 --> 02:57:44,129
>> motion to approve?

4190
02:57:45,132 --> 02:57:47,132
>> I second.

4191
02:57:48,135 --> 02:57:51,135
>> all those in favor? I.

4192
02:57:51,138 --> 02:57:53,140
any opposed? Passes unanimously.

4193
02:57:53,140 --> 02:57:56,740
>> that will take us to ordinance

4194
02:57:57,144 --> 02:57:58,145
seven a.

4195
02:57:58,145 --> 02:57:59,146
>>

4196
02:57:59,146 --> 02:58:02,146
ordinance number 2026 - 01 first reading.

4197
02:58:03,150 --> 02:58:06,119
and ordinance of the city of gulfport florida

4198
02:58:06,119 --> 02:58:07,120
amending the city of code of ordinances

4199
02:58:07,120 --> 02:58:09,520
amending chapter 22 zoning, article 6

4200
02:58:12,125 --> 02:58:13,126
supplementary regulations

4201
02:58:13,126 --> 02:58:14,127
for all districts by creating section

4202
02:58:14,127 --> 02:58:16,527
22 -6.14, certified recovery residences

4203
02:58:27,140 --> 02:58:28,141
providing for

4204
02:58:28,141 --> 02:58:29,142
definitions, providing for procedures for the review and

4205
02:58:29,142 --> 02:58:30,143
approval of certified recovery residences

4206
02:58:30,143 --> 02:58:31,144
and requests for reasonable accommodations, providing for

4207
02:58:31,144 --> 02:58:32,145
revocation of reasonable accommodations,

4208
02:58:32,145 --> 02:58:33,146
providing for codification, severability

4209
02:58:33,146 --> 02:58:34,147
and for an effective

4210
02:58:34,147 --> 02:58:35,148
date.

4211
02:58:35,148 --> 02:58:37,150
>> motion to approve? Second.

4212
02:58:37,150 --> 02:58:39,550
>> third. >> [ laughter ] thank you.

4213
02:58:40,120 --> 02:58:42,122
city manager you want to make sense

4214
02:58:42,122 --> 02:58:43,123
of that for us?

4215
02:58:43,123 --> 02:58:45,123
>>

4216
02:58:45,125 --> 02:58:46,126
this is

4217
02:58:46,126 --> 02:58:48,128
also mandated by the state legislature

4218
02:58:48,128 --> 02:58:50,128
that you

4219
02:58:50,130 --> 02:58:51,131
will facilitate or attempt to facilitate the

4220
02:58:51,131 --> 02:58:53,131
placement

4221
02:58:53,133 --> 02:58:57,137
of these group home types of settings.

4222
02:58:57,137 --> 02:58:59,137
we did have

4223
02:59:00,140 --> 02:59:03,140
abilities for folks to make

4224
02:59:05,145 --> 02:59:06,146
an application for variances and things like that

4225
02:59:06,146 --> 02:59:08,146
but what

4226
02:59:09,149 --> 02:59:11,151
this does, this allows

4227
02:59:11,151 --> 02:59:15,122
a certified operation for lack of a better term.

4228
02:59:15,122 --> 02:59:16,123
which, they have to meet certain

4229
02:59:16,123 --> 02:59:20,323
licensing and state standards and there's categories.

4230
02:59:23,130 --> 02:59:24,131
so this is not just you as in a government body

4231
02:59:24,131 --> 02:59:26,131
saying

4232
02:59:26,133 --> 02:59:27,134
you can operate here. They have to meet

4233
02:59:27,134 --> 02:59:29,134
certain requirements

4234
02:59:30,137 --> 02:59:32,139
and criteria before the

4235
02:59:32,139 --> 02:59:33,140
approach your staff. What this does

4236
02:59:33,140 --> 02:59:35,142
is give staff the

4237
02:59:35,142 --> 02:59:36,143
opportunity to work with them but

4238
02:59:36,143 --> 02:59:37,144
at the same time,

4239
02:59:37,144 --> 02:59:40,744
there are regulations and minimum requirements.

4240
02:59:41,148 --> 02:59:45,118
this is mandated by the state of florida.

4241
02:59:45,118 --> 02:59:47,118
>> okay.

4242
02:59:48,121 --> 02:59:50,121
no questions?

4243
02:59:51,124 --> 02:59:54,127
>> I do have a couple questions.

4244
02:59:54,127 --> 02:59:55,128
like many people here and

4245
02:59:55,128 --> 02:59:57,130
if you've been up solved of that I

4246
02:59:57,130 --> 03:00:00,130
am very happy for you

4247
03:00:00,133 --> 03:00:02,533
but addiction has come

4248
03:00:03,136 --> 03:00:04,137
to my family, right,

4249
03:00:04,137 --> 03:00:06,139
and I know a lot about the group homes.

4250
03:00:06,139 --> 03:00:09,142
the certification is a great thing

4251
03:00:09,142 --> 03:00:11,142
if it

4252
03:00:11,144 --> 03:00:15,148
is kept up with. A lot of people come to florida

4253
03:00:15,148 --> 03:00:17,150
to come to a

4254
03:00:17,150 --> 03:00:19,119
group home because there is a home

4255
03:00:19,119 --> 03:00:23,919
shuffle. You get kicked out of this one

4256
03:00:24,124 --> 03:00:25,125
you go to this one. That being said

4257
03:00:25,125 --> 03:00:26,126
many

4258
03:00:26,126 --> 03:00:32,726
people are helped by them and I can attest to that.

4259
03:00:33,133 --> 03:00:35,135
the florida league of cities one

4260
03:00:35,135 --> 03:00:36,136
of the bills they wanted to put up

4261
03:00:36,136 --> 03:00:39,139
for their support, and it was voted

4262
03:00:39,139 --> 03:00:42,142
on, was to limit the volume in a

4263
03:00:42,142 --> 03:00:44,542
city. So it was

4264
03:00:45,145 --> 03:00:47,145
, I think hollywood

4265
03:00:48,148 --> 03:00:51,151
florida that a gentleman's and he

4266
03:00:51,151 --> 03:00:53,551
is a councilmember there

4267
03:00:54,121 --> 03:00:55,122
and

4268
03:00:55,122 --> 03:00:57,124
has three daughters and they can no

4269
03:00:57,124 --> 03:00:58,125
longer go out of the

4270
03:00:58,125 --> 03:01:00,127
house or anything because he is surrounded

4271
03:01:00,127 --> 03:01:05,527
by group homes with very little oversight to them.

4272
03:01:06,133 --> 03:01:08,135
so the way they are run and how

4273
03:01:08,135 --> 03:01:09,136
many per block, are we able to--

4274
03:01:09,136 --> 03:01:11,136
>>

4275
03:01:18,145 --> 03:01:20,145
>>>

4276
03:01:21,148 --> 03:01:22,149
it

4277
03:01:22,149 --> 03:01:24,151
also gives you the ability to revoke

4278
03:01:24,151 --> 03:01:25,118
the permit

4279
03:01:25,118 --> 03:01:27,120
if it is a nuisance to the neighborhood

4280
03:01:27,120 --> 03:01:29,120
and that is

4281
03:01:30,123 --> 03:01:32,523
outlined entitling talking about

4282
03:01:33,126 --> 03:01:36,126
revoking. So that is there.

4283
03:01:36,129 --> 03:01:39,129
any type of nuisance behavior

4284
03:01:39,132 --> 03:01:42,132
, we would start right away.

4285
03:01:42,135 --> 03:01:44,137
we have had situations like

4286
03:01:44,137 --> 03:01:45,138
this but it was not regulated. And

4287
03:01:45,138 --> 03:01:47,138
I think

4288
03:01:48,141 --> 03:01:51,141
the one we had individuals

4289
03:01:51,144 --> 03:01:52,145
under

4290
03:01:52,145 --> 03:01:54,147
the guise of some type of organization

4291
03:01:54,147 --> 03:01:56,547
helping people. It became

4292
03:01:57,150 --> 03:01:58,151
I will buy your

4293
03:01:58,151 --> 03:02:00,120
beer cheaper and they gathered in

4294
03:02:00,120 --> 03:02:02,120
residential neighborhoods

4295
03:02:03,123 --> 03:02:04,124
and you are talking about

4296
03:02:04,124 --> 03:02:06,126
zoning and intensity, how many people

4297
03:02:06,126 --> 03:02:07,127
are living in the house

4298
03:02:07,127 --> 03:02:09,129
that are not family members, those

4299
03:02:09,129 --> 03:02:11,129
are things

4300
03:02:12,132 --> 03:02:15,135
you have to make application and then maintain.

4301
03:02:15,135 --> 03:02:17,135
>> what constitutes

4302
03:02:18,138 --> 03:02:19,139
a family. Four people

4303
03:02:19,139 --> 03:02:23,339
with different last names, the whole thing.

4304
03:02:24,144 --> 03:02:26,146
>> out of the way

4305
03:02:26,146 --> 03:02:27,147
and a lot of times legislature will say we

4306
03:02:27,147 --> 03:02:29,149
will give you the

4307
03:02:29,149 --> 03:02:32,119
ability to do this and staff will have more

4308
03:02:32,119 --> 03:02:36,123
oversight by implying we are supposed to

4309
03:02:36,123 --> 03:02:37,124
help them have it

4310
03:02:37,124 --> 03:02:39,126
happen but it also makes them put

4311
03:02:39,126 --> 03:02:41,126
on paper

4312
03:02:41,128 --> 03:02:42,129
what the plan is for lack of a better term

4313
03:02:42,129 --> 03:02:43,130
.

4314
03:02:43,130 --> 03:02:45,130
>>

4315
03:02:45,132 --> 03:02:46,133
okay thank you.

4316
03:02:46,133 --> 03:02:47,134
>> my question

4317
03:02:47,134 --> 03:02:48,135
reading this and I understand there was

4318
03:02:48,135 --> 03:02:50,135
a

4319
03:02:50,137 --> 03:02:51,138
lot of discussion in planning and

4320
03:02:51,138 --> 03:02:53,138
zoning about

4321
03:02:53,140 --> 03:02:57,144
this, but you brought up a really

4322
03:02:57,144 --> 03:02:59,144
good point

4323
03:03:00,147 --> 03:03:01,148
and

4324
03:03:01,148 --> 03:03:02,149
I was thinking how big can these be?

4325
03:03:02,149 --> 03:03:03,150
I know they have to follow the height

4326
03:03:03,150 --> 03:03:04,151
and

4327
03:03:04,151 --> 03:03:08,351
setbacks if they were building something new.

4328
03:03:09,122 --> 03:03:10,123
>> you would still have the zoning

4329
03:03:10,123 --> 03:03:12,123
regulations

4330
03:03:12,125 --> 03:03:13,126
in place. Lot size, coverage,

4331
03:03:13,126 --> 03:03:15,128
those things are in place, this is

4332
03:03:15,128 --> 03:03:17,128
operational because

4333
03:03:18,131 --> 03:03:20,133
very candidly this becomes a commercial

4334
03:03:20,133 --> 03:03:21,134
endeavor in a residential neighborhood.

4335
03:03:21,134 --> 03:03:23,134
the

4336
03:03:24,137 --> 03:03:27,137
zoning aspect of slot size

4337
03:03:27,140 --> 03:03:28,141
that does not change.

4338
03:03:28,141 --> 03:03:30,143
you're talking about the operation of

4339
03:03:30,143 --> 03:03:32,143
the activity

4340
03:03:33,146 --> 03:03:36,149
>> most of our houses we have a

4341
03:03:36,149 --> 03:03:38,149
lot of 2-1

4342
03:03:39,119 --> 03:03:42,122
and a few that are bigger so

4343
03:03:42,122 --> 03:03:43,123
again

4344
03:03:43,123 --> 03:03:45,125
you get into how many people can you

4345
03:03:45,125 --> 03:03:46,126
put in a house?

4346
03:03:46,126 --> 03:03:47,127
>> exactly

4347
03:03:47,127 --> 03:03:48,128
and that is what you have to tell

4348
03:03:48,128 --> 03:03:49,129
me your

4349
03:03:49,129 --> 03:03:51,131
business plan so little question that

4350
03:03:51,131 --> 03:03:54,134
if you tell me 10 people in

4351
03:03:54,134 --> 03:03:55,135
a 800 ft.? House that

4352
03:03:55,135 --> 03:03:58,735
business plan we will pay attention.

4353
03:03:59,139 --> 03:04:03,939
we are not making that type of accommodation.

4354
03:04:04,144 --> 03:04:05,145
this was the state said you have to try

4355
03:04:05,145 --> 03:04:06,146
to work with these people because

4356
03:04:06,146 --> 03:04:09,146
there is a need and

4357
03:04:09,149 --> 03:04:11,151
we can do that but

4358
03:04:11,151 --> 03:04:12,119
it is not going to allow you to come build

4359
03:04:12,119 --> 03:04:13,120
with

4360
03:04:13,120 --> 03:04:15,122
a clinic in a residential neighborhood this

4361
03:04:15,122 --> 03:04:17,122
is to say

4362
03:04:17,124 --> 03:04:18,125
you live in the house down the street and

4363
03:04:18,125 --> 03:04:20,125
we have

4364
03:04:21,128 --> 03:04:24,131
these people, but the one thing we did

4365
03:04:24,131 --> 03:04:27,131
is when they add numbers

4366
03:04:27,134 --> 03:04:30,137
, we will call them clients you have to

4367
03:04:30,137 --> 03:04:32,137
add staff.

4368
03:04:32,139 --> 03:04:36,143
so it's not just here are the keys

4369
03:04:36,143 --> 03:04:37,144
get well.

4370
03:04:37,144 --> 03:04:38,145
>> residential or

4371
03:04:38,145 --> 03:04:39,146
daytime staff?

4372
03:04:39,146 --> 03:04:40,147
>> combination of both, they

4373
03:04:40,147 --> 03:04:41,148
lay out in

4374
03:04:41,148 --> 03:04:42,149
the ordinance, it lays out what you

4375
03:04:42,149 --> 03:04:44,549
have to do to

4376
03:04:45,118 --> 03:04:47,518
meet the minimum requirements.

4377
03:04:48,121 --> 03:04:51,124
certify is the whole key it

4378
03:04:51,124 --> 03:04:52,125
is licensed.

4379
03:04:52,125 --> 03:04:53,126
>> my guess is

4380
03:04:53,126 --> 03:04:54,127
that it would be expensive to build a

4381
03:04:54,127 --> 03:04:56,127
new house

4382
03:04:59,132 --> 03:05:00,133
so they probably wouldn't to do that but on the

4383
03:05:00,133 --> 03:05:02,133
other hand

4384
03:05:02,135 --> 03:05:03,136
most houses are too little to be cost-effective

4385
03:05:03,136 --> 03:05:06,136
so probably won't be a

4386
03:05:06,139 --> 03:05:09,142
big issue. Also compared with family members

4387
03:05:09,142 --> 03:05:12,145
if you have staff with four or

4388
03:05:12,145 --> 03:05:15,148
five people living there in the parking

4389
03:05:15,148 --> 03:05:16,149
becomes an issue and

4390
03:05:16,149 --> 03:05:18,151
personally I don't want people to

4391
03:05:18,151 --> 03:05:21,121
pave their whole yard so they can

4392
03:05:21,121 --> 03:05:22,122
put in parking spaces.

4393
03:05:22,122 --> 03:05:23,123
>> those are the questions

4394
03:05:23,123 --> 03:05:24,124
we would ask.

4395
03:05:24,124 --> 03:05:26,124
>> they don't necessarily

4396
03:05:27,127 --> 03:05:29,129
say the person in charge.

4397
03:05:29,129 --> 03:05:30,130
they don't always stay, they don't

4398
03:05:30,130 --> 03:05:32,130
live there

4399
03:05:35,135 --> 03:05:36,136
in many cases.

4400
03:05:36,136 --> 03:05:37,137
>> I am used to one

4401
03:05:37,137 --> 03:05:38,138
with

4402
03:05:38,138 --> 03:05:39,139
residential and we live there.

4403
03:05:39,139 --> 03:05:40,140
>> they do have monitors and that but what

4404
03:05:40,140 --> 03:05:42,140
you are doing

4405
03:05:42,142 --> 03:05:44,142
anything

4406
03:05:45,145 --> 03:05:47,145
your points are

4407
03:05:47,147 --> 03:05:48,148
selling it in the fact that size generates

4408
03:05:48,148 --> 03:05:50,148
revenue. You are

4409
03:05:51,151 --> 03:05:52,119
not really .

4410
03:05:52,119 --> 03:05:53,120
>>

4411
03:05:53,120 --> 03:05:54,121
we don't have eight bedroom house is

4412
03:05:54,121 --> 03:05:55,122
in town.

4413
03:05:55,122 --> 03:05:57,122
>> exactly you don't

4414
03:05:57,124 --> 03:05:58,125
have multifamily , someone buys the

4415
03:05:58,125 --> 03:06:00,125
apartment complex

4416
03:06:00,127 --> 03:06:02,129
I have seen that done in

4417
03:06:02,129 --> 03:06:03,130
affluent neighborhoods , in my other life

4418
03:06:03,130 --> 03:06:05,130
that was

4419
03:06:06,133 --> 03:06:07,134
a big product.

4420
03:06:07,134 --> 03:06:09,136
>> they could do that

4421
03:06:09,136 --> 03:06:12,139
here. Theoretically they could do that.

4422
03:06:12,139 --> 03:06:14,139
>>

4423
03:06:14,141 --> 03:06:17,144
yes, but have to be licensed and certified.

4424
03:06:17,144 --> 03:06:18,145
that's the key that's for the cost

4425
03:06:18,145 --> 03:06:21,145
is, people cost money. And

4426
03:06:22,149 --> 03:06:24,151
what you are doing here is

4427
03:06:24,151 --> 03:06:27,120
two things. One, becoming compliant with

4428
03:06:27,120 --> 03:06:28,121
the state of florida, two approaching

4429
03:06:28,121 --> 03:06:30,121
from

4430
03:06:31,124 --> 03:06:33,124
a regulatory precision.

4431
03:06:34,127 --> 03:06:37,127
that's the benefit you get.

4432
03:06:37,130 --> 03:06:39,130
>> okay thank you. >>

4433
03:06:40,133 --> 03:06:42,135
what you outlined so

4434
03:06:42,135 --> 03:06:46,139
what I appreciate about it, thank you.

4435
03:06:46,139 --> 03:06:48,539
I have no question.

4436
03:06:51,144 --> 03:06:54,744
>> public comment on the matter? Yes.

4437
03:06:58,151 --> 03:07:00,120
>> I have personal family

4438
03:07:00,120 --> 03:07:03,720
proximity to this. I'm really happy

4439
03:07:04,124 --> 03:07:06,126
to hear we are creating this,

4440
03:07:06,126 --> 03:07:07,127
we will have parameters. There are

4441
03:07:07,127 --> 03:07:08,128
some

4442
03:07:08,128 --> 03:07:11,128
organizations that have multiple houses

4443
03:07:12,132 --> 03:07:13,133
, that have like three or four or

4444
03:07:13,133 --> 03:07:14,134
five

4445
03:07:14,134 --> 03:07:17,137
bedroom houses so it's not gigantic.

4446
03:07:17,137 --> 03:07:19,139
they usually have a captain person who is a

4447
03:07:19,139 --> 03:07:22,139
resident but also has some

4448
03:07:22,142 --> 03:07:25,142
privileges of leadership at night

4449
03:07:28,148 --> 03:07:29,149
and this population

4450
03:07:29,149 --> 03:07:30,150
tends to not have cars they are paying

4451
03:07:30,150 --> 03:07:31,151
200 per week they don't have cars they

4452
03:07:31,151 --> 03:07:32,119
are

4453
03:07:32,119 --> 03:07:34,121
using the bus or bikes so parking is

4454
03:07:34,121 --> 03:07:37,124
less of an issue for these populations

4455
03:07:37,124 --> 03:07:39,124
using a house

4456
03:07:40,127 --> 03:07:41,128
more than any other use

4457
03:07:41,128 --> 03:07:43,130
possible in my opinion. I am excited

4458
03:07:43,130 --> 03:07:44,131
about this,

4459
03:07:44,131 --> 03:07:45,132
I think it is great. I think the housing stock

4460
03:07:45,132 --> 03:07:46,133
we have with the value of the bigger

4461
03:07:46,133 --> 03:07:47,134
it

4462
03:07:47,134 --> 03:07:49,136
is unlikely we will get run over,

4463
03:07:49,136 --> 03:07:50,137
st. Pete

4464
03:07:50,137 --> 03:07:52,139
has more neighborhoods where this could

4465
03:07:52,139 --> 03:07:54,539
happen more. Sounds good.

4466
03:07:55,142 --> 03:07:57,142
>> anybody else

4467
03:07:58,145 --> 03:08:00,147
for public comment on this?

4468
03:08:00,147 --> 03:08:03,147
seeing none, councilmember jackson yes

4469
03:08:10,123 --> 03:08:12,123
[ roll call vote

4470
03:08:13,126 --> 03:08:14,127
]

4471
03:08:14,127 --> 03:08:15,128
>> that will bring us

4472
03:08:15,128 --> 03:08:16,129
to resolutions.

4473
03:08:16,129 --> 03:08:17,130
>> resolution 2026-0 four,

4474
03:08:17,130 --> 03:08:19,132
resolution authorizing city manager

4475
03:08:19,132 --> 03:08:21,132
where applicable the

4476
03:08:22,135 --> 03:08:23,136
mayor to enter loan agreement

4477
03:08:23,136 --> 03:08:25,138
with the fema community disaster loan

4478
03:08:25,138 --> 03:08:27,538
cdl program and support

4479
03:08:28,141 --> 03:08:30,141
city operations of

4480
03:08:31,144 --> 03:08:33,144
hurricane recovery efforts.

4481
03:08:34,147 --> 03:08:36,147
>> motion to approve. >>

4482
03:08:37,150 --> 03:08:38,151
second.

4483
03:08:38,151 --> 03:08:39,119
>> mayor, thank

4484
03:08:39,119 --> 03:08:40,120
you. We talked about this last summer as

4485
03:08:40,120 --> 03:08:41,121
we were looking at revenues and

4486
03:08:41,121 --> 03:08:43,123
things to that effect and where we

4487
03:08:43,123 --> 03:08:45,123
were with

4488
03:08:45,125 --> 03:08:48,725
revenues coming from the federal government

4489
03:08:49,129 --> 03:08:50,130
and offset insurance claims and things

4490
03:08:50,130 --> 03:08:52,130
to

4491
03:08:52,132 --> 03:08:54,132
that effect, what

4492
03:08:54,134 --> 03:08:55,135
I'm putting is something in place so

4493
03:08:55,135 --> 03:08:57,137
we have a backstop

4494
03:08:57,137 --> 03:08:58,138
because of delays at the federal level

4495
03:08:58,138 --> 03:09:00,138
and

4496
03:09:00,140 --> 03:09:01,141
things like that monies are not coming

4497
03:09:01,141 --> 03:09:03,141
down safely

4498
03:09:04,144 --> 03:09:06,146
, they did close the government

4499
03:09:06,146 --> 03:09:07,147
, we have talked about that. And possibly

4500
03:09:07,147 --> 03:09:09,147
could close the

4501
03:09:10,150 --> 03:09:12,119
government again.

4502
03:09:12,119 --> 03:09:13,120
we have and chris our financial director

4503
03:09:13,120 --> 03:09:15,120
is here.

4504
03:09:15,122 --> 03:09:16,123
we have about $2.6 million in reserves

4505
03:09:16,123 --> 03:09:18,123
today,

4506
03:09:19,126 --> 03:09:21,128
if we have another catastrophic

4507
03:09:21,128 --> 03:09:22,129
event this summer we want to be prepared and

4508
03:09:22,129 --> 03:09:24,129
we have

4509
03:09:24,131 --> 03:09:27,134
to look at the revenue when we start

4510
03:09:27,134 --> 03:09:28,135
planning for the next budget years

4511
03:09:28,135 --> 03:09:30,135
so this

4512
03:09:30,137 --> 03:09:31,138
is a backstop to what we have so we

4513
03:09:31,138 --> 03:09:33,138
are not in

4514
03:09:34,141 --> 03:09:36,143
a dilemma where we have to use reserves

4515
03:09:36,143 --> 03:09:37,144
to make up a revenues that have not

4516
03:09:37,144 --> 03:09:39,144
appeared yet

4517
03:09:40,147 --> 03:09:43,150
or something like this I intend this

4518
03:09:43,150 --> 03:09:46,119
is the last level of expense and you

4519
03:09:46,119 --> 03:09:49,122
would have to approve any use

4520
03:09:49,122 --> 03:09:52,125
of it. This gives us the ability

4521
03:09:52,125 --> 03:09:53,126
to buy the mortgage, not buy if there

4522
03:09:53,126 --> 03:09:55,126
is no cost

4523
03:09:55,128 --> 03:09:57,130
until you use it and then you

4524
03:09:57,130 --> 03:09:58,131
pay whatever the interest rate is set by

4525
03:09:58,131 --> 03:10:00,131
the fed

4526
03:10:00,133 --> 03:10:01,134
and now the interest rate has gone down

4527
03:10:01,134 --> 03:10:03,134
some

4528
03:10:04,137 --> 03:10:07,137
percentage, but it gives you

4529
03:10:07,140 --> 03:10:08,141
a sense of

4530
03:10:08,141 --> 03:10:10,143
security for lack of a better term

4531
03:10:10,143 --> 03:10:13,146
but if you were to use any of

4532
03:10:13,146 --> 03:10:14,147
these monies and take it out you would

4533
03:10:14,147 --> 03:10:16,147
have to

4534
03:10:16,149 --> 03:10:18,149
approve that.

4535
03:10:19,119 --> 03:10:21,119
>> you just

4536
03:10:21,121 --> 03:10:22,122
said we would have to approve use of

4537
03:10:22,122 --> 03:10:24,124
it, I would like to clarify when you

4538
03:10:24,124 --> 03:10:25,125
say we have to approve use meaning

4539
03:10:25,125 --> 03:10:27,125
that there would

4540
03:10:27,127 --> 03:10:28,128
be actual council vote at the time

4541
03:10:28,128 --> 03:10:30,130
you say hey guys we need to

4542
03:10:30,130 --> 03:10:31,131
take money or we are approving how

4543
03:10:31,131 --> 03:10:33,531
the money is used?

4544
03:10:34,134 --> 03:10:36,134
>> well, to me

4545
03:10:37,137 --> 03:10:39,139
it is symbiotic and the fact

4546
03:10:39,139 --> 03:10:40,140
you would have to approve actually

4547
03:10:40,140 --> 03:10:43,140
accessing the home equity loan.

4548
03:10:43,143 --> 03:10:45,145
for the lack of a

4549
03:10:45,145 --> 03:10:46,146
better term.

4550
03:10:46,146 --> 03:10:47,147
>> we are finalizing

4551
03:10:47,147 --> 03:10:49,149
the application we made

4552
03:10:49,149 --> 03:10:50,150
many months ago and I think we have

4553
03:10:50,150 --> 03:10:52,119
been approved many

4554
03:10:52,119 --> 03:10:53,120
months ago but we have never signed

4555
03:10:53,120 --> 03:10:55,120
it.

4556
03:10:55,122 --> 03:10:57,122
>> exactly

4557
03:10:57,124 --> 03:10:58,125
this is authorization to sign.

4558
03:10:58,125 --> 03:10:59,126
>>

4559
03:10:59,126 --> 03:11:01,126
that was $5 million

4560
03:11:01,128 --> 03:11:02,129
so I want to clarify if we need

4561
03:11:02,129 --> 03:11:04,131
money that does not mean we would have

4562
03:11:04,131 --> 03:11:05,132
to change the whole 5 million at one time we

4563
03:11:05,132 --> 03:11:07,132
could say

4564
03:11:07,134 --> 03:11:08,135
we need 1 million, today.

4565
03:11:08,135 --> 03:11:10,135
>> that's correct.

4566
03:11:10,137 --> 03:11:12,137
>> we can

4567
03:11:13,140 --> 03:11:15,142
draw down. Specific questions you

4568
03:11:15,142 --> 03:11:16,143
can draw down any amount of issues.

4569
03:11:16,143 --> 03:11:18,143
>>

4570
03:11:21,148 --> 03:11:22,149
it will act like a line of credit, 5 million

4571
03:11:22,149 --> 03:11:23,150
with access to

4572
03:11:23,150 --> 03:11:25,152
the next three years you can draw

4573
03:11:25,152 --> 03:11:27,120
down as needed as

4574
03:11:27,120 --> 03:11:28,121
the city manager stated we would come

4575
03:11:28,121 --> 03:11:31,124
request approval if we were going

4576
03:11:31,124 --> 03:11:32,125
to access the loan.

4577
03:11:32,125 --> 03:11:34,125
>> good, questions

4578
03:11:34,127 --> 03:11:36,127
in speaking order?

4579
03:11:36,129 --> 03:11:37,130
>> no questions, we have talked about

4580
03:11:37,130 --> 03:11:39,130
this similar to

4581
03:11:40,133 --> 03:11:43,733
the heat lock all good for

4582
03:11:44,137 --> 03:11:45,138
me.

4583
03:11:45,138 --> 03:11:46,139
>>

4584
03:11:46,139 --> 03:11:47,140
I was making sure we do not pay interest

4585
03:11:47,140 --> 03:11:49,142
or anything until we accessed

4586
03:11:49,142 --> 03:11:50,143
the money.

4587
03:11:50,143 --> 03:11:51,144
>> you do not pay interest

4588
03:11:51,144 --> 03:11:53,144
until

4589
03:11:53,146 --> 03:11:56,149
the term is up, if you use it.

4590
03:11:56,149 --> 03:11:57,150
>> if we don't use any

4591
03:11:57,150 --> 03:11:58,151
we won't pay anything.

4592
03:11:58,151 --> 03:11:59,119
>> having the

4593
03:11:59,119 --> 03:12:01,119
backup plan

4594
03:12:01,121 --> 03:12:04,121
is a excellent approach. Certainly

4595
03:12:04,124 --> 03:12:05,125
in favor.

4596
03:12:05,125 --> 03:12:07,127
>> we will sleep better

4597
03:12:07,127 --> 03:12:08,128
at night.

4598
03:12:08,128 --> 03:12:10,528
>> hopefully we don't need

4599
03:12:11,131 --> 03:12:12,132
it.

4600
03:12:12,132 --> 03:12:14,132
>> thank you. Okay.

4601
03:12:14,134 --> 03:12:16,134
public comment.

4602
03:12:17,137 --> 03:12:19,537
thank you. Public comment

4603
03:12:20,140 --> 03:12:22,142
on this? Seeing none

4604
03:12:22,142 --> 03:12:23,143
we will call the roll.

4605
03:12:23,143 --> 03:12:24,144
>> [ roll call

4606
03:12:24,144 --> 03:12:26,144
vote

4607
03:12:26,146 --> 03:12:28,146
]

4608
03:12:29,149 --> 03:12:31,149
>> carries to passage,

4609
03:12:32,152 --> 03:12:34,121
resolution number 2026-0

4610
03:12:34,121 --> 03:12:37,121
five resolution approving application c

4611
03:12:38,125 --> 03:12:40,127
25-0 2 conditional use for

4612
03:12:40,127 --> 03:12:41,128
church including related education

4613
03:12:41,128 --> 03:12:43,128
and training

4614
03:12:44,131 --> 03:12:46,131
facilities providing conditions.

4615
03:12:47,134 --> 03:12:49,134
>> all right. >> motion

4616
03:12:50,137 --> 03:12:51,138
to approve.

4617
03:12:51,138 --> 03:12:53,138
>> I second.

4618
03:12:53,140 --> 03:12:54,141
>> city manager. >>

4619
03:12:54,141 --> 03:12:56,143
conditional approval of reestablishing

4620
03:12:56,143 --> 03:12:58,143
a church

4621
03:12:59,146 --> 03:13:02,146
in the property right here

4622
03:13:02,149 --> 03:13:04,549
in the methodist church.

4623
03:13:05,152 --> 03:13:08,121
what this is, previously there

4624
03:13:08,121 --> 03:13:10,123
was a church there and they failed

4625
03:13:10,123 --> 03:13:14,127
to renew the activity by the business

4626
03:13:14,127 --> 03:13:15,128
tax receipt

4627
03:13:15,128 --> 03:13:17,130
. Subsequently it reverted back r

4628
03:13:17,130 --> 03:13:19,130
2 which is

4629
03:13:20,133 --> 03:13:22,135
conditional use as a church

4630
03:13:22,135 --> 03:13:23,136
as we talked about in the past with

4631
03:13:23,136 --> 03:13:25,138
a lot of zoning

4632
03:13:25,138 --> 03:13:26,139
in gulfport which was there, they put

4633
03:13:26,139 --> 03:13:28,139
it

4634
03:13:29,142 --> 03:13:30,143
on top of it , but

4635
03:13:30,143 --> 03:13:32,145
this basically reestablishes use.

4636
03:13:32,145 --> 03:13:35,145
mark do you want to?

4637
03:13:35,148 --> 03:13:37,148
>> originally the church

4638
03:13:38,151 --> 03:13:40,120
and 58 became the directory

4639
03:13:40,120 --> 03:13:41,121
for the church as a whole then school for

4640
03:13:41,121 --> 03:13:43,121
short

4641
03:13:44,124 --> 03:13:47,127
period of time now they're going back

4642
03:13:47,127 --> 03:13:49,129
to the church usage.

4643
03:13:49,129 --> 03:13:50,130
>> mark, is the applicant here? >>

4644
03:13:50,130 --> 03:13:51,131
applicant is here.

4645
03:13:51,131 --> 03:13:53,131
>>

4646
03:13:53,133 --> 03:13:55,533
so when we say

4647
03:13:56,136 --> 03:13:58,136
they want

4648
03:13:59,139 --> 03:14:00,140
to take it back to being

4649
03:14:00,140 --> 03:14:03,143
used as a church is it the same church

4650
03:14:03,143 --> 03:14:04,144
that was there?

4651
03:14:04,144 --> 03:14:05,145
>> it is and the have outlined the vision discipline

4652
03:14:05,145 --> 03:14:06,146
ministry

4653
03:14:06,146 --> 03:14:08,148
was part of the application process.

4654
03:14:08,148 --> 03:14:10,148
>> so

4655
03:14:11,151 --> 03:14:14,121
this church would be a new group

4656
03:14:14,121 --> 03:14:15,122
of people?

4657
03:14:15,122 --> 03:14:17,122
>> that's

4658
03:14:17,124 --> 03:14:18,125
my understanding.

4659
03:14:18,125 --> 03:14:20,125
>> that was

4660
03:14:20,127 --> 03:14:22,127
my question.

4661
03:14:22,129 --> 03:14:23,130
anything else? I was trying to clarify that.

4662
03:14:23,130 --> 03:14:24,131
>>

4663
03:14:24,131 --> 03:14:25,132
do you

4664
03:14:25,132 --> 03:14:26,133
want to ask if other people have questions?

4665
03:14:26,133 --> 03:14:28,133
>>

4666
03:14:29,136 --> 03:14:31,536
thank you , vice mayor.

4667
03:14:32,139 --> 03:14:35,139
yes. I was trying to

4668
03:14:35,142 --> 03:14:36,143
finish up to see if he was done speaking

4669
03:14:36,143 --> 03:14:38,143
but

4670
03:14:38,145 --> 03:14:39,146
thank you. Okay, so.

4671
03:14:39,146 --> 03:14:41,146
>>

4672
03:14:41,148 --> 03:14:43,148
the applicant

4673
03:14:44,151 --> 03:14:45,152
is here if you have questions.

4674
03:14:45,152 --> 03:14:46,119
>> we will

4675
03:14:46,119 --> 03:14:47,120
have

4676
03:14:47,120 --> 03:14:48,121
public comment, you don't need to

4677
03:14:48,121 --> 03:14:49,122
raise your hand

4678
03:14:49,122 --> 03:14:50,123
it will call on you during public

4679
03:14:50,123 --> 03:14:52,123
comment for sure.

4680
03:14:55,128 --> 03:14:56,129
>> in case you want to ask mark, one of the

4681
03:14:56,129 --> 03:14:58,129
issues that

4682
03:14:58,131 --> 03:15:00,133
came up at planning and zoning meeting

4683
03:15:00,133 --> 03:15:02,135
which was discussed which was the parking

4684
03:15:02,135 --> 03:15:04,135
issue

4685
03:15:05,138 --> 03:15:06,139
and the applicant was

4686
03:15:06,139 --> 03:15:08,141
not there so there were questions raised as to whether

4687
03:15:08,141 --> 03:15:10,143
or not there would be use

4688
03:15:10,143 --> 03:15:11,144
parking agreement, whether or not

4689
03:15:11,144 --> 03:15:14,144
there would be any potential

4690
03:15:14,147 --> 03:15:16,547
conflict between the school

4691
03:15:18,151 --> 03:15:19,119
and the church using parking and that

4692
03:15:19,119 --> 03:15:20,120
was an issue planning and zoning wanted

4693
03:15:20,120 --> 03:15:23,120
to have clarified which they

4694
03:15:23,123 --> 03:15:26,126
did not have in anticipation of

4695
03:15:26,126 --> 03:15:27,127
the meeting.

4696
03:15:27,127 --> 03:15:29,127
>> thank you for

4697
03:15:29,129 --> 03:15:32,132
saying that and we will go in order and

4698
03:15:32,132 --> 03:15:33,133
ask questions to see who can best

4699
03:15:33,133 --> 03:15:34,134
answer.

4700
03:15:34,134 --> 03:15:35,135
I did watch the meeting and found

4701
03:15:35,135 --> 03:15:37,137
the meeting to be very

4702
03:15:37,137 --> 03:15:38,138
very confusing when we talk about the owner,

4703
03:15:38,138 --> 03:15:40,138
the tenant,

4704
03:15:44,144 --> 03:15:45,145
the school and church I found it to

4705
03:15:45,145 --> 03:15:46,146
be quite

4706
03:15:46,146 --> 03:15:47,147
confusing and even though I watched

4707
03:15:47,147 --> 03:15:48,148
and listened a second time there were

4708
03:15:48,148 --> 03:15:49,149
questions I

4709
03:15:49,149 --> 03:15:53,120
have but I will wait my turn. Councilmember jackson.

4710
03:15:53,120 --> 03:15:56,123
>> I have no questions at this time.

4711
03:15:56,123 --> 03:15:59,123
>> I don't have any questions

4712
03:15:59,126 --> 03:16:00,127
either.

4713
03:16:00,127 --> 03:16:02,127
>>

4714
03:16:02,129 --> 03:16:04,131
it is my understanding

4715
03:16:04,131 --> 03:16:05,132
it's not the church on the corner we

4716
03:16:05,132 --> 03:16:06,133
are talking about. It is the building

4717
03:16:06,133 --> 03:16:08,133
to the

4718
03:16:08,135 --> 03:16:10,135
north on 50 fourth?

4719
03:16:11,138 --> 03:16:12,139
and it was not

4720
03:16:12,139 --> 03:16:14,141
really a church as I understand. I

4721
03:16:14,141 --> 03:16:17,144
thought it used to be the old --it

4722
03:16:17,144 --> 03:16:20,144
was also a shop a

4723
03:16:20,147 --> 03:16:22,149
resale shop to make money for the

4724
03:16:22,149 --> 03:16:25,749
church for many years. Wasn't it?

4725
03:16:26,119 --> 03:16:28,121
>> that's on the other

4726
03:16:28,121 --> 03:16:29,122
corner on 50 third.

4727
03:16:29,122 --> 03:16:30,123
>> okay so it was

4728
03:16:30,123 --> 03:16:32,123
the directory not

4729
03:16:32,125 --> 03:16:33,126
a church.

4730
03:16:33,126 --> 03:16:34,127
>> it was

4731
03:16:34,127 --> 03:16:35,128
the church before the school that

4732
03:16:35,128 --> 03:16:38,131
is sunflower originally the church then they moved

4733
03:16:38,131 --> 03:16:39,132
to the larger church and made that

4734
03:16:39,132 --> 03:16:41,132
the directory.

4735
03:16:41,134 --> 03:16:44,134
>> so it was a directory. >>

4736
03:16:44,137 --> 03:16:46,537
a church originally in 1958.

4737
03:16:47,140 --> 03:16:49,540
>> that little building correct.

4738
03:16:50,143 --> 03:16:52,145
>> I had never seen

4739
03:16:52,145 --> 03:16:53,146
it at a church that's why I did not

4740
03:16:53,146 --> 03:16:55,148
know. As I understand, do we

4741
03:16:55,148 --> 03:16:59,152
know who owns the church, the big church?

4742
03:16:59,152 --> 03:17:01,552
>> the sunflower school currently.

4743
03:17:02,122 --> 03:17:05,125
>> to know the plan to keep it? Are they

4744
03:17:05,125 --> 03:17:06,126
using it?

4745
03:17:06,126 --> 03:17:08,126
>> currently using as

4746
03:17:08,128 --> 03:17:09,129
a school.

4747
03:17:09,129 --> 03:17:10,130
>> the church part not the

4748
03:17:10,130 --> 03:17:11,131
buildings

4749
03:17:11,131 --> 03:17:12,132
along the side?

4750
03:17:12,132 --> 03:17:13,133
>> they are using

4751
03:17:13,133 --> 03:17:14,134
the

4752
03:17:14,134 --> 03:17:16,134
larger building

4753
03:17:16,136 --> 03:17:17,137
, that is a school currently.

4754
03:17:17,137 --> 03:17:18,138
>> okay

4755
03:17:18,138 --> 03:17:19,139
I know

4756
03:17:19,139 --> 03:17:21,141
from what I understand about the meeting

4757
03:17:21,141 --> 03:17:23,143
there was confusion about

4758
03:17:23,143 --> 03:17:27,147
whether it would stay part of the school

4759
03:17:27,147 --> 03:17:28,148
or if it would become a church

4760
03:17:28,148 --> 03:17:30,150
and you have the sunflower school

4761
03:17:30,150 --> 03:17:31,151
in the other little

4762
03:17:31,151 --> 03:17:34,751
buildings and then again with parking

4763
03:17:35,122 --> 03:17:38,125
if you have things going on at the

4764
03:17:38,125 --> 03:17:39,126
same time it would be a problem for

4765
03:17:39,126 --> 03:17:41,126
the neighborhood

4766
03:17:42,129 --> 03:17:43,130
with parking. So I think

4767
03:17:43,130 --> 03:17:45,132
we should hear from the person because I

4768
03:17:45,132 --> 03:17:46,133
don't know if he's

4769
03:17:46,133 --> 03:17:48,135
got agreements about making sure they don't have

4770
03:17:48,135 --> 03:17:50,135
you know

4771
03:17:51,138 --> 03:17:52,139
events at the same time.

4772
03:17:52,139 --> 03:17:54,141
>> that is one of the conditions we

4773
03:17:54,141 --> 03:17:55,142
are requesting

4774
03:17:55,142 --> 03:17:57,144
that they make accommodation with

4775
03:17:57,144 --> 03:17:59,144
neighboring property

4776
03:17:59,146 --> 03:18:00,147
regarding parking.

4777
03:18:00,147 --> 03:18:01,148
>> would we approve

4778
03:18:01,148 --> 03:18:03,148
without knowing

4779
03:18:03,150 --> 03:18:04,151
whether they have got that?

4780
03:18:04,151 --> 03:18:05,152
>> it

4781
03:18:05,152 --> 03:18:06,119
is condition of approval they will

4782
03:18:06,119 --> 03:18:07,120
show city

4783
03:18:07,120 --> 03:18:08,121
staff with the permit building and

4784
03:18:08,121 --> 03:18:09,122
business tax receipt with verification

4785
03:18:09,122 --> 03:18:10,123
have figured out

4786
03:18:10,123 --> 03:18:13,723
the parking situation between the property.

4787
03:18:14,127 --> 03:18:15,128
>> so it does not get approved until

4788
03:18:15,128 --> 03:18:17,128
they

4789
03:18:17,130 --> 03:18:18,131
have that?

4790
03:18:18,131 --> 03:18:19,132
>> that's correct. >> assuming

4791
03:18:19,132 --> 03:18:21,132
that you

4792
03:18:21,134 --> 03:18:23,136
pass with the condition.

4793
03:18:23,136 --> 03:18:24,137
and the memo outlines conditions staff

4794
03:18:24,137 --> 03:18:26,137
has

4795
03:18:27,140 --> 03:18:29,140
put on? Would

4796
03:18:29,142 --> 03:18:30,143
you like to hear from the applicant?

4797
03:18:30,143 --> 03:18:32,143
>> understood

4798
03:18:33,146 --> 03:18:34,147
the conditions,

4799
03:18:34,147 --> 03:18:36,149
the parking they kept talking about street

4800
03:18:36,149 --> 03:18:38,149
parking

4801
03:18:39,152 --> 03:18:42,122
and I get that but we

4802
03:18:42,122 --> 03:18:45,125
also have a park near there

4803
03:18:45,125 --> 03:18:46,126
anything that outlines , I know

4804
03:18:46,126 --> 03:18:48,128
it's a lot of families that use the park

4805
03:18:48,128 --> 03:18:50,128
on sundays

4806
03:18:51,131 --> 03:18:53,131
and so

4807
03:18:53,133 --> 03:18:54,134
I am just wanting to have reassurance

4808
03:18:54,134 --> 03:18:56,134
that they would

4809
03:18:57,137 --> 03:19:00,140
not be parking in the park area

4810
03:19:00,140 --> 03:19:01,141
.

4811
03:19:01,141 --> 03:19:03,143
>> the area facing 50 fourth

4812
03:19:03,143 --> 03:19:04,144
on the public side

4813
03:19:04,144 --> 03:19:06,146
does have a total of 19 spots available,

4814
03:19:06,146 --> 03:19:09,149
the church with 45 seats there would be 15

4815
03:19:09,149 --> 03:19:12,152
spots so the amount of people

4816
03:19:12,152 --> 03:19:14,121
would not extend onto

4817
03:19:14,121 --> 03:19:15,122
20 eighth or 20 seventh.

4818
03:19:15,122 --> 03:19:16,123
>> okay,

4819
03:19:16,123 --> 03:19:18,123
thank you.

4820
03:19:18,125 --> 03:19:20,125
>> the questions that

4821
03:19:21,128 --> 03:19:23,130
I had it might be

4822
03:19:23,130 --> 03:19:26,730
calling the applicant of next and

4823
03:19:27,134 --> 03:19:30,137
with public comment we may have

4824
03:19:30,137 --> 03:19:32,537
to powwow here again.

4825
03:19:33,140 --> 03:19:34,141
so I

4826
03:19:34,141 --> 03:19:39,146
was a little confused on, if you approved now

4827
03:19:39,146 --> 03:19:40,147
, but you give them a year to

4828
03:19:40,147 --> 03:19:42,149
have agreement amongst themselves

4829
03:19:42,149 --> 03:19:44,149
in terms

4830
03:19:45,152 --> 03:19:48,121
of parking , does that mean

4831
03:19:48,121 --> 03:19:49,122
they could open up now

4832
03:19:49,122 --> 03:19:51,124
and heavily they will figure it out

4833
03:19:51,124 --> 03:19:52,125
within a year?

4834
03:19:52,125 --> 03:19:54,125
>> until the

4835
03:19:54,127 --> 03:19:56,127
business tax receipt

4836
03:19:56,129 --> 03:19:57,130
which would not be approved until

4837
03:19:57,130 --> 03:19:59,132
the parking situation was figured

4838
03:19:59,132 --> 03:20:00,133
out between the owners and if they

4839
03:20:00,133 --> 03:20:01,134
want to increase

4840
03:20:01,134 --> 03:20:02,135
parking on the property.

4841
03:20:02,135 --> 03:20:03,136
>> that's

4842
03:20:03,136 --> 03:20:05,136
the part

4843
03:20:06,139 --> 03:20:07,140
that I missed. They have to

4844
03:20:07,140 --> 03:20:09,142
have the parking agreement worked

4845
03:20:09,142 --> 03:20:11,542
out before any activity

4846
03:20:12,145 --> 03:20:13,146
will start.

4847
03:20:13,146 --> 03:20:15,146
>> that's correct.

4848
03:20:15,148 --> 03:20:17,148
okay. And then

4849
03:20:18,151 --> 03:20:21,121
I was asking if it was a new church

4850
03:20:21,121 --> 03:20:24,124
coming in and if they are, in

4851
03:20:24,124 --> 03:20:26,126
any way form or

4852
03:20:26,126 --> 03:20:29,726
fashion related to the sunflower school.

4853
03:20:30,130 --> 03:20:31,131
>> not from my understanding. >> we

4854
03:20:31,131 --> 03:20:33,131
will

4855
03:20:33,133 --> 03:20:35,133
ask them that

4856
03:20:35,135 --> 03:20:36,136
and my next question and we can ask

4857
03:20:36,136 --> 03:20:38,136
the applicant,

4858
03:20:38,138 --> 03:20:42,142
I guess . Why would the sunflower agree

4859
03:20:42,142 --> 03:20:45,142
to parking being used the

4860
03:20:45,145 --> 03:20:47,145
new church? Because

4861
03:20:48,148 --> 03:20:51,151
are we talking about the parking

4862
03:20:51,151 --> 03:20:54,121
in the back of the proposed

4863
03:20:54,121 --> 03:20:56,121
new church ?

4864
03:20:56,123 --> 03:20:57,124
I think that is pretty well designated

4865
03:20:57,124 --> 03:20:59,124
to

4866
03:21:00,127 --> 03:21:01,128
just sunflower.

4867
03:21:01,128 --> 03:21:02,129
>> that is used

4868
03:21:02,129 --> 03:21:03,130
for playground which was last year

4869
03:21:03,130 --> 03:21:05,130
in the

4870
03:21:06,133 --> 03:21:07,134
subdivision 2024 they

4871
03:21:07,134 --> 03:21:08,135
were given variance for parking because

4872
03:21:08,135 --> 03:21:09,136
they were using the area as the play

4873
03:21:09,136 --> 03:21:11,136
area for the

4874
03:21:12,139 --> 03:21:13,140
sunflower school.

4875
03:21:13,140 --> 03:21:15,140
>> okay.

4876
03:21:15,142 --> 03:21:18,145
>> if you will help me before we

4877
03:21:18,145 --> 03:21:21,148
call up the applicant. I think there

4878
03:21:21,148 --> 03:21:23,148
has been confusion.

4879
03:21:23,150 --> 03:21:24,151
so the long building that runs along 27,

4880
03:21:24,151 --> 03:21:26,119
that

4881
03:21:26,119 --> 03:21:27,120
is all used by the sunflower school?

4882
03:21:27,120 --> 03:21:28,121
>>

4883
03:21:28,121 --> 03:21:30,121
that's correct.

4884
03:21:30,123 --> 03:21:31,124
>> when people say the big church they

4885
03:21:31,124 --> 03:21:32,125
are

4886
03:21:32,125 --> 03:21:35,125
talking about the sunflower school.

4887
03:21:36,129 --> 03:21:38,131
so when we see from

4888
03:21:38,131 --> 03:21:39,132
50 fourth is what looks like a small

4889
03:21:39,132 --> 03:21:41,132
little church

4890
03:21:42,135 --> 03:21:45,138
but if you go drive behind

4891
03:21:45,138 --> 03:21:48,141
there actually when you get past

4892
03:21:48,141 --> 03:21:51,144
the initial area than there is a

4893
03:21:51,144 --> 03:21:53,146
bigger building and they

4894
03:21:53,146 --> 03:21:54,147
are attached and it is painted like

4895
03:21:54,147 --> 03:21:55,148
the sunflower school so

4896
03:21:55,148 --> 03:21:57,150
I'm a little confused when you say there's

4897
03:21:57,150 --> 03:21:59,150
only 45 seats

4898
03:22:00,120 --> 03:22:03,120
, is the church just the

4899
03:22:03,123 --> 03:22:06,126
front part? Because I think it

4900
03:22:06,126 --> 03:22:07,127
is connected.

4901
03:22:07,127 --> 03:22:08,128
>> it is a separate

4902
03:22:08,128 --> 03:22:09,129
building entirely with separation

4903
03:22:09,129 --> 03:22:11,131
from the sunflower school for

4904
03:22:11,131 --> 03:22:12,132
the property lines and parcels not attached

4905
03:22:12,132 --> 03:22:14,132
to

4906
03:22:14,134 --> 03:22:15,135
the sunflower school.

4907
03:22:15,135 --> 03:22:16,136
>> so the sunflower

4908
03:22:16,136 --> 03:22:18,136
school

4909
03:22:18,138 --> 03:22:19,139
is l shaped.

4910
03:22:19,139 --> 03:22:21,139
>> that's correct.

4911
03:22:21,141 --> 03:22:24,144
>> when I went driving I thought it

4912
03:22:24,144 --> 03:22:25,145
was connected. With that in mind the

4913
03:22:25,145 --> 03:22:27,145
applicant would

4914
03:22:27,147 --> 03:22:29,547
you please come up ?

4915
03:22:36,123 --> 03:22:37,124
>> hi. I just wanted to address the

4916
03:22:37,124 --> 03:22:39,124
parking situation.

4917
03:22:39,126 --> 03:22:41,126
we have spoke

4918
03:22:41,128 --> 03:22:42,129
with the sunflower school.

4919
03:22:42,129 --> 03:22:43,130
>> you

4920
03:22:43,130 --> 03:22:45,132
have to give us your

4921
03:22:45,132 --> 03:22:46,133
name and address.

4922
03:22:46,133 --> 03:22:48,133
>>

4923
03:22:48,135 --> 03:22:49,136
we

4924
03:22:49,136 --> 03:22:51,138
have spoken with the sunflower school

4925
03:22:51,138 --> 03:22:54,138
to confirm there's no conflict

4926
03:22:54,141 --> 03:22:57,144
in schedules with regards to the parking.

4927
03:22:57,144 --> 03:23:00,147
they generally use the parking between

4928
03:23:00,147 --> 03:23:03,150
eight on monday to friday dropping off

4929
03:23:03,150 --> 03:23:05,150
and picking

4930
03:23:05,152 --> 03:23:07,120
up they have a aftercare program which is

4931
03:23:07,120 --> 03:23:09,520
really minimal which goes

4932
03:23:10,123 --> 03:23:11,124
until 5:30. The church

4933
03:23:11,124 --> 03:23:13,126
is looking to use the parking on sunday

4934
03:23:13,126 --> 03:23:15,126
they have two

4935
03:23:16,129 --> 03:23:17,130
bible studies

4936
03:23:17,130 --> 03:23:19,132
wednesday evening and thursday evening

4937
03:23:19,132 --> 03:23:21,132
from 7:00 p.m.

4938
03:23:22,135 --> 03:23:25,138
so there is no conflict in

4939
03:23:25,138 --> 03:23:28,138
the usage of the parking.

4940
03:23:28,141 --> 03:23:30,141
>> okay. So,

4941
03:23:30,143 --> 03:23:31,144
we are talking about just the building on

4942
03:23:31,144 --> 03:23:33,144
the front

4943
03:23:34,147 --> 03:23:37,147
, that appears to be kind

4944
03:23:37,150 --> 03:23:38,151
of white.

4945
03:23:38,151 --> 03:23:39,152
>> it's a

4946
03:23:39,152 --> 03:23:40,120
separate building. What used to be

4947
03:23:40,120 --> 03:23:42,120
the preschool.

4948
03:23:43,123 --> 03:23:45,123
with the garden

4949
03:23:46,126 --> 03:23:48,126
, upfront.

4950
03:23:48,128 --> 03:23:49,129
>> again I thought there was a building behind

4951
03:23:49,129 --> 03:23:51,129
that

4952
03:23:52,132 --> 03:23:53,133
which was connected.

4953
03:23:53,133 --> 03:23:55,135
>> there is the playground for the school

4954
03:23:55,135 --> 03:23:57,135
behind that.

4955
03:23:57,137 --> 03:23:58,138
there is no other building behind

4956
03:23:58,138 --> 03:24:00,138
the building, there

4957
03:24:00,140 --> 03:24:01,141
is the long building which is just

4958
03:24:01,141 --> 03:24:02,142
particular which is the

4959
03:24:02,142 --> 03:24:04,144
sunflower school and then there is

4960
03:24:04,144 --> 03:24:06,146
this building which is separated

4961
03:24:06,146 --> 03:24:09,746
not attached to the other building

4962
03:24:10,150 --> 03:24:12,152
>> do we have any questions

4963
03:24:12,152 --> 03:24:15,752
in speaking order of the applicant?

4964
03:24:16,123 --> 03:24:18,125
>> no questions thank you.

4965
03:24:18,125 --> 03:24:19,126
>> who owns the other building not

4966
03:24:19,126 --> 03:24:20,127
attached?

4967
03:24:20,127 --> 03:24:22,127
>> I do.

4968
03:24:22,129 --> 03:24:24,129
>> you on the

4969
03:24:25,132 --> 03:24:26,133
little church building

4970
03:24:26,133 --> 03:24:27,134
and the other?

4971
03:24:27,134 --> 03:24:28,135
>> just one building

4972
03:24:28,135 --> 03:24:29,136
is not attached, the one long building

4973
03:24:29,136 --> 03:24:30,137
owned by the sunflower school with

4974
03:24:30,137 --> 03:24:34,141
one smaller building which I own only

4975
03:24:34,141 --> 03:24:35,142
the two.

4976
03:24:35,142 --> 03:24:37,142
>> how many spaces

4977
03:24:37,144 --> 03:24:39,144
is there?

4978
03:24:40,147 --> 03:24:41,148
in all of the parking?

4979
03:24:41,148 --> 03:24:43,150
>> 19 spaces at the front and then

4980
03:24:43,150 --> 03:24:45,152
street parking which is

4981
03:24:45,152 --> 03:24:46,153
what sunflower generally uses for

4982
03:24:46,153 --> 03:24:48,121
the pickup and

4983
03:24:48,121 --> 03:24:49,122
drop off , I think it is on 27 they

4984
03:24:49,122 --> 03:24:51,122
tend to

4985
03:24:51,124 --> 03:24:52,125
use that pickup and drop off but in

4986
03:24:52,125 --> 03:24:54,125
front of

4987
03:24:55,128 --> 03:24:57,128
this building

4988
03:24:58,131 --> 03:24:59,132
there are 19 spaces.

4989
03:24:59,132 --> 03:25:00,133
>> in front

4990
03:25:00,133 --> 03:25:01,134
of the building?

4991
03:25:01,134 --> 03:25:02,135
>> in front of this

4992
03:25:02,135 --> 03:25:04,135
and there is

4993
03:25:04,137 --> 03:25:07,140
this building and then the edge

4994
03:25:07,140 --> 03:25:09,142
of the other building with 19 spaces in front of

4995
03:25:09,142 --> 03:25:10,143
them both.

4996
03:25:10,143 --> 03:25:11,144
>> I drove by and it did

4997
03:25:11,144 --> 03:25:13,144
not look

4998
03:25:13,146 --> 03:25:16,149
like that. Along the street? Along

4999
03:25:16,149 --> 03:25:17,150
the street?

5000
03:25:17,150 --> 03:25:19,150
>> it

5001
03:25:19,152 --> 03:25:22,122
is not parking on the street

5002
03:25:22,122 --> 03:25:24,124
, it is separate parking at the front of

5003
03:25:24,124 --> 03:25:25,125
the building

5004
03:25:25,125 --> 03:25:26,126
>> I did not see that

5005
03:25:26,126 --> 03:25:28,126
at all.

5006
03:25:28,128 --> 03:25:29,129
>> is the

5007
03:25:29,129 --> 03:25:30,130
city right-of-way.

5008
03:25:30,130 --> 03:25:31,131
>> 90 feet, for

5009
03:25:31,131 --> 03:25:33,531
the building and then 85

5010
03:25:34,134 --> 03:25:35,135
so it is

5011
03:25:35,135 --> 03:25:37,137
19 spots public right-of-way off the

5012
03:25:37,137 --> 03:25:40,140
street off the front of the building.

5013
03:25:40,140 --> 03:25:42,540
>> appreciate you both coming

5014
03:25:43,143 --> 03:25:44,144
up here.

5015
03:25:44,144 --> 03:25:46,144
>> 175.

5016
03:25:46,146 --> 03:25:48,146
>> how

5017
03:25:48,148 --> 03:25:49,149
wide is the parking?

5018
03:25:49,149 --> 03:25:51,149
>> 5 feet parking

5019
03:25:52,152 --> 03:25:54,152
spot 18 feet long, 9

5020
03:25:55,122 --> 03:25:56,123
feet wide.

5021
03:25:56,123 --> 03:25:57,124
>> that does not sound

5022
03:25:57,124 --> 03:25:58,125
like

5023
03:25:58,125 --> 03:25:59,126
19 spaces.

5024
03:25:59,126 --> 03:26:01,126
>>

5025
03:26:01,128 --> 03:26:04,128
I had done the math.

5026
03:26:04,131 --> 03:26:06,133
>> the reason I was

5027
03:26:06,133 --> 03:26:07,134
questioning that was I thought what

5028
03:26:07,134 --> 03:26:09,134
it was listening

5029
03:26:10,137 --> 03:26:13,137
to the hearing in front

5030
03:26:13,140 --> 03:26:15,140
of the session

5031
03:26:15,142 --> 03:26:16,143
I thought I heard them say nine spots

5032
03:26:16,143 --> 03:26:18,143
now

5033
03:26:19,146 --> 03:26:20,147
I am hearing 19.

5034
03:26:20,147 --> 03:26:22,147
>> take

5035
03:26:22,149 --> 03:26:25,152
up 107 by the nine it is like 12.

5036
03:26:25,152 --> 03:26:27,152
11 point eight eight.

5037
03:26:28,121 --> 03:26:30,121
>> 175. >> 175

5038
03:26:31,124 --> 03:26:33,124
I'm sorry. 175

5039
03:26:34,127 --> 03:26:35,128
feet between the lots?

5040
03:26:35,128 --> 03:26:36,129
>>

5041
03:26:36,129 --> 03:26:40,133
total space in front of both on 50 fourth.

5042
03:26:40,133 --> 03:26:43,136
>> understand but I drove by and

5043
03:26:43,136 --> 03:26:45,138
it did not look like that to me.

5044
03:26:45,138 --> 03:26:46,139
>> I have cleaned the sidewalk for

5045
03:26:46,139 --> 03:26:48,539
you, so I know

5046
03:26:49,142 --> 03:26:50,143
it is.

5047
03:26:50,143 --> 03:26:51,144
>>

5048
03:26:51,144 --> 03:26:52,145
we did speak with the city before putting

5049
03:26:52,145 --> 03:26:54,145
this on

5050
03:26:55,148 --> 03:26:56,149
the property to see if

5051
03:26:56,149 --> 03:26:58,151
it would be able to put more parking.

5052
03:26:58,151 --> 03:27:01,121
if needed, if that was going

5053
03:27:01,121 --> 03:27:03,123
to be a condition from the city

5054
03:27:03,123 --> 03:27:04,124
, they are willing to put more parking

5055
03:27:04,124 --> 03:27:06,124
on

5056
03:27:06,126 --> 03:27:07,127
the property if that is necessary.

5057
03:27:07,127 --> 03:27:09,527
>> how they put more

5058
03:27:10,130 --> 03:27:11,131
parking on the property?

5059
03:27:11,131 --> 03:27:13,131
>> on the

5060
03:27:13,133 --> 03:27:16,136
garden area. The garden area it

5061
03:27:16,136 --> 03:27:19,139
has a large garden area around the building.

5062
03:27:19,139 --> 03:27:21,539
>> remove the green space.

5063
03:27:22,142 --> 03:27:25,145
>> there is a provision you need

5064
03:27:25,145 --> 03:27:28,148
to keep at least 20% of your lot green.

5065
03:27:28,148 --> 03:27:30,148
>> okay.

5066
03:27:31,151 --> 03:27:34,121
it is not something I would like them to

5067
03:27:34,121 --> 03:27:35,122
do.

5068
03:27:35,122 --> 03:27:37,124
>> is 19 spaces enough? I understand

5069
03:27:37,124 --> 03:27:38,125
they are 45 seats.

5070
03:27:38,125 --> 03:27:40,125
>> at maximum

5071
03:27:40,127 --> 03:27:43,127
generally between 30 and 35 and members

5072
03:27:43,130 --> 03:27:45,130
of congregation.

5073
03:27:46,133 --> 03:27:48,533
up to maximum of 45.

5074
03:27:49,136 --> 03:27:51,536
>> you never have 30 cars?

5075
03:27:52,139 --> 03:27:54,139
>> I honestly

5076
03:27:55,142 --> 03:27:56,143
cannot speak to that.

5077
03:27:56,143 --> 03:27:58,143
>>

5078
03:27:58,145 --> 03:28:00,147
I am just saying.

5079
03:28:00,147 --> 03:28:01,148
with the people come as individuals

5080
03:28:01,148 --> 03:28:03,148
or families because

5081
03:28:04,151 --> 03:28:06,551
if you need 40 spaces

5082
03:28:07,120 --> 03:28:08,121
we don't have it.

5083
03:28:08,121 --> 03:28:10,121
>>

5084
03:28:10,123 --> 03:28:12,123
zoning requires 15 spaces.

5085
03:28:13,126 --> 03:28:15,126
>> every theory

5086
03:28:16,129 --> 03:28:19,129
-- three seats requires one

5087
03:28:19,132 --> 03:28:20,133
parking spot.

5088
03:28:20,133 --> 03:28:22,133
>> thank you,

5089
03:28:22,135 --> 03:28:25,138
all right. Any other questions before

5090
03:28:25,138 --> 03:28:28,138
we open to public comment?

5091
03:28:28,141 --> 03:28:30,141
>> good luck. >> I

5092
03:28:31,144 --> 03:28:32,145
have no questions.

5093
03:28:32,145 --> 03:28:33,146
>> I

5094
03:28:33,146 --> 03:28:34,147
am listening.

5095
03:28:34,147 --> 03:28:36,147
>> okay, thank you.

5096
03:28:37,150 --> 03:28:39,150
>> yes.

5097
03:28:41,121 --> 03:28:43,121
>> I am

5098
03:28:44,124 --> 03:28:46,124
calling you.

5099
03:28:47,127 --> 03:28:49,127
>> excuse me

5100
03:28:50,130 --> 03:28:52,130
one moment.

5101
03:28:55,135 --> 03:28:58,138
>> go put your side back over there.

5102
03:28:58,138 --> 03:28:59,139
our rule does not allow you to come here

5103
03:28:59,139 --> 03:29:01,139
with

5104
03:29:02,142 --> 03:29:03,143
a sign.

5105
03:29:03,143 --> 03:29:04,144
>> she has got

5106
03:29:04,144 --> 03:29:06,146
it. Okay. Now, you're here please

5107
03:29:06,146 --> 03:29:08,148
introduce yourself and tell us what

5108
03:29:08,148 --> 03:29:09,149
you have to say.

5109
03:29:09,149 --> 03:29:11,149
>>

5110
03:29:11,151 --> 03:29:13,151
first of all ,

5111
03:29:14,121 --> 03:29:16,121
>> your name? >>

5112
03:29:16,123 --> 03:29:20,127
bailey and first of all it was never

5113
03:29:20,127 --> 03:29:23,130
a church. I was never here

5114
03:29:23,130 --> 03:29:25,130
, in 1958 , anyone

5115
03:29:26,133 --> 03:29:29,133
of you all here in 1958?

5116
03:29:29,136 --> 03:29:31,136
>> 1959.

5117
03:29:32,139 --> 03:29:34,539
>> I will give you

5118
03:29:35,142 --> 03:29:36,143
the codes you know

5119
03:29:36,143 --> 03:29:38,145
gulfport zoning ordinance regulations

5120
03:29:38,145 --> 03:29:40,145
focus

5121
03:29:41,148 --> 03:29:43,548
on her lot basis

5122
03:29:44,151 --> 03:29:46,551
and require all uses

5123
03:29:47,120 --> 03:29:50,120
and adhere to setbacks, parking

5124
03:29:50,123 --> 03:29:52,123
and public access.

5125
03:29:53,126 --> 03:29:56,126
one principal use, per lot,

5126
03:29:56,129 --> 03:29:59,132
that means one building per lot

5127
03:29:59,132 --> 03:30:01,132
, one church so

5128
03:30:02,135 --> 03:30:04,535
the main church was

5129
03:30:05,138 --> 03:30:08,138
the big l shaped church

5130
03:30:08,141 --> 03:30:11,141
and that little building, the

5131
03:30:12,145 --> 03:30:16,945
quick shaft building was just a storage/whatever

5132
03:30:17,150 --> 03:30:19,150
it was from

5133
03:30:20,120 --> 03:30:22,120
1958,

5134
03:30:23,123 --> 03:30:25,123
two 2016 and in 2016

5135
03:30:26,126 --> 03:30:28,526
it became a daycare

5136
03:30:29,129 --> 03:30:31,129
and on that,

5137
03:30:32,132 --> 03:30:35,135
I actually had the fire permit

5138
03:30:35,135 --> 03:30:38,138
on my billboard there and I was

5139
03:30:38,138 --> 03:30:40,138
the contractor

5140
03:30:41,141 --> 03:30:43,541
that actually brought it

5141
03:30:44,144 --> 03:30:45,145
to

5142
03:30:45,145 --> 03:30:47,147
the fire code. So I know that it was

5143
03:30:47,147 --> 03:30:50,150
a storage because I brought up the

5144
03:30:50,150 --> 03:30:53,153
walls to the fire code and

5145
03:30:53,153 --> 03:30:56,123
cleared out a lot of the storage.

5146
03:30:56,123 --> 03:30:58,123
they used it

5147
03:30:58,125 --> 03:31:01,128
for garage sales, you know, and yard sales

5148
03:31:01,128 --> 03:31:05,132
a lot of times throughout the years

5149
03:31:05,132 --> 03:31:07,132
and basically

5150
03:31:08,135 --> 03:31:10,135
it was

5151
03:31:11,138 --> 03:31:14,141
it was never a church like the gentleman

5152
03:31:14,141 --> 03:31:17,144
was saying , they want to convert

5153
03:31:17,144 --> 03:31:20,147
back to a church so that is

5154
03:31:20,147 --> 03:31:21,148
a falsehood that he was making you

5155
03:31:21,148 --> 03:31:23,148
all

5156
03:31:23,150 --> 03:31:25,150
believe. And

5157
03:31:25,152 --> 03:31:26,153
on pinellas and all my billboard also,

5158
03:31:26,153 --> 03:31:28,153
pinellas county

5159
03:31:32,125 --> 03:31:35,128
we have the attorney right here

5160
03:31:35,128 --> 03:31:38,131
minimum lot size , for a church.

5161
03:31:38,131 --> 03:31:40,131
it is 100

5162
03:31:44,137 --> 03:31:46,139
it is 100 x 100 please help

5163
03:31:46,139 --> 03:31:47,140
me out.

5164
03:31:47,140 --> 03:31:48,141
>> just so you are clear,

5165
03:31:48,141 --> 03:31:50,141
bailey just so

5166
03:31:50,143 --> 03:31:53,146
you are clear, we are giving

5167
03:31:53,146 --> 03:31:54,147
you public comment right now

5168
03:31:54,147 --> 03:31:56,149
and we're being lenient because typically

5169
03:31:56,149 --> 03:31:59,152
it is three minutes so use your

5170
03:31:59,152 --> 03:32:01,152
time wisely.

5171
03:32:02,122 --> 03:32:04,522
>> the lot size is

5172
03:32:05,125 --> 03:32:06,126
90 x 100 so it does not meet the zoning requirements and

5173
03:32:06,126 --> 03:32:08,126
also I'm

5174
03:32:08,128 --> 03:32:11,131
going to put step back and say

5175
03:32:11,131 --> 03:32:14,134
if all of my fax doesn't

5176
03:32:14,134 --> 03:32:16,134
, real quick

5177
03:32:17,137 --> 03:32:20,137
if I request a professional

5178
03:32:20,140 --> 03:32:22,140
parking engineer survey

5179
03:32:23,143 --> 03:32:25,143
on 138

5180
03:32:26,146 --> 03:32:28,146
, 138

5181
03:32:29,149 --> 03:32:31,149
three 602

5182
03:32:32,152 --> 03:32:34,152
alpha you

5183
03:32:35,122 --> 03:32:38,125
know so if I run out of

5184
03:32:38,125 --> 03:32:40,127
time because it does

5185
03:32:40,127 --> 03:32:41,128
not meet zoning codes, parking codes

5186
03:32:41,128 --> 03:32:43,128
ada codes

5187
03:32:44,131 --> 03:32:47,134
and fire safety codes are broken daily

5188
03:32:47,134 --> 03:32:49,134
it has

5189
03:32:50,137 --> 03:32:52,137
18 parking spots not 19.

5190
03:32:56,143 --> 03:32:58,143
the

5191
03:32:59,146 --> 03:33:02,146
fire hydrant is within 15 foot

5192
03:33:02,149 --> 03:33:05,152
where they parked daily and I had that

5193
03:33:05,152 --> 03:33:07,152
on my thing.

5194
03:33:08,121 --> 03:33:11,124
I would like to talk, I have a lot,

5195
03:33:11,124 --> 03:33:12,125
but you know.

5196
03:33:12,125 --> 03:33:14,125
>>

5197
03:33:14,127 --> 03:33:17,127
okay, public comment you have

5198
03:33:17,130 --> 03:33:18,131
three minutes.

5199
03:33:18,131 --> 03:33:20,131
>> okay,

5200
03:33:20,133 --> 03:33:23,136
hopefully this will be so helpful.

5201
03:33:23,136 --> 03:33:25,138
this lot was subdivided in the last

5202
03:33:25,138 --> 03:33:29,142
three years, that was not in the city

5203
03:33:29,142 --> 03:33:30,143
so it was a church in the big building,

5204
03:33:30,143 --> 03:33:31,144
not a

5205
03:33:31,144 --> 03:33:32,145
church in the creative play building,

5206
03:33:32,145 --> 03:33:35,148
it was a storage room play

5207
03:33:35,148 --> 03:33:37,150
area et cetera so both are kinda right

5208
03:33:37,150 --> 03:33:38,151
the property was a church this building

5209
03:33:38,151 --> 03:33:40,151
never was

5210
03:33:41,121 --> 03:33:43,123
so hopefully that is helpful and has

5211
03:33:43,123 --> 03:33:46,126
a big yard trees and beautiful things

5212
03:33:46,126 --> 03:33:47,127
, that's the building where talking

5213
03:33:47,127 --> 03:33:49,129
about, the sunflower school

5214
03:33:49,129 --> 03:33:52,132
sold it to you a couple years ago

5215
03:33:52,132 --> 03:33:53,133
and it sounds like you want to sublease

5216
03:33:53,133 --> 03:33:55,133
now to church

5217
03:33:56,136 --> 03:33:59,139
it sounds like she wants to.

5218
03:33:59,139 --> 03:34:00,140
that is being discussed I did not

5219
03:34:00,140 --> 03:34:01,141
listen to planning and zoning but

5220
03:34:01,141 --> 03:34:02,142
from tonight if what was said tonight

5221
03:34:02,142 --> 03:34:04,144
was set at planning

5222
03:34:04,144 --> 03:34:05,145
and zoning I can understand the confusion so

5223
03:34:05,145 --> 03:34:08,148
tonight the owner of the little building

5224
03:34:08,148 --> 03:34:10,150
missing church comes to me and

5225
03:34:10,150 --> 03:34:11,151
wants to rent. I understand I go to

5226
03:34:11,151 --> 03:34:13,151
that a lot

5227
03:34:14,121 --> 03:34:16,121
, pickleball, tennis,

5228
03:34:17,124 --> 03:34:20,127
there is high demand on the

5229
03:34:20,127 --> 03:34:21,128
parking, but for all the use of a

5230
03:34:21,128 --> 03:34:23,128
church which

5231
03:34:24,131 --> 03:34:25,132
sounds like it is once

5232
03:34:25,132 --> 03:34:26,133
per week for two hours that's the

5233
03:34:26,133 --> 03:34:27,134
parking for the whole building that

5234
03:34:27,134 --> 03:34:28,135
might

5235
03:34:28,135 --> 03:34:29,136
be less stress on the neighborhood

5236
03:34:29,136 --> 03:34:30,137
than a school which will have parking

5237
03:34:30,137 --> 03:34:32,137
every day

5238
03:34:32,139 --> 03:34:34,141
or some other use that could come

5239
03:34:34,141 --> 03:34:36,143
I've taken a tour of the building

5240
03:34:36,143 --> 03:34:37,144
the creative

5241
03:34:37,144 --> 03:34:39,146
play school building where talking

5242
03:34:39,146 --> 03:34:40,147
about four times because

5243
03:34:40,147 --> 03:34:42,149
I wanted to see a preschool going

5244
03:34:42,149 --> 03:34:45,152
there so I know all about it and

5245
03:34:45,152 --> 03:34:47,120
I know the sunflower school

5246
03:34:47,120 --> 03:34:48,121
will lease the church part of the

5247
03:34:48,121 --> 03:34:50,121
big building,

5248
03:34:50,123 --> 03:34:51,124
they don't use it they leased to a

5249
03:34:51,124 --> 03:34:52,125
theater company and

5250
03:34:52,125 --> 03:34:54,127
they use it so the school part isn't

5251
03:34:54,127 --> 03:34:56,527
the part that's flowery

5252
03:34:57,130 --> 03:34:59,130
on 20 seventh.

5253
03:34:59,132 --> 03:35:00,133
anyway, I personally think a church

5254
03:35:00,133 --> 03:35:02,133
is

5255
03:35:02,135 --> 03:35:06,139
a good use for the space. It is residential,

5256
03:35:06,139 --> 03:35:08,539
the variance was educational

5257
03:35:09,142 --> 03:35:10,143
so I think that lapsed

5258
03:35:10,143 --> 03:35:12,145
now it has been over a year on the

5259
03:35:12,145 --> 03:35:14,147
market. Would be great as

5260
03:35:14,147 --> 03:35:17,150
a school. I don't think parking is a

5261
03:35:17,150 --> 03:35:18,151
huge issue and it makes sense to dig

5262
03:35:18,151 --> 03:35:20,151
up the garden

5263
03:35:20,153 --> 03:35:24,124
for parking you just pull in on the easement

5264
03:35:24,124 --> 03:35:26,126
that for the old food

5265
03:35:26,126 --> 03:35:27,127
pantry used to be in front of the church corner. I

5266
03:35:27,127 --> 03:35:29,129
don't think having cars

5267
03:35:29,129 --> 03:35:33,133
there, it does not block the street

5268
03:35:33,133 --> 03:35:35,135
it's not that serious one

5269
03:35:35,135 --> 03:35:36,136
or two hours per week, one bible study

5270
03:35:36,136 --> 03:35:37,137
we could have worse on

5271
03:35:37,137 --> 03:35:39,139
the neighborhood used for that space. That's

5272
03:35:39,139 --> 03:35:41,141
what I think that should have

5273
03:35:41,141 --> 03:35:42,142
been mentioned I feel about subdividing

5274
03:35:42,142 --> 03:35:43,143
because we

5275
03:35:43,143 --> 03:35:45,145
were arguing about something that happened

5276
03:35:45,145 --> 03:35:47,145
because of

5277
03:35:48,148 --> 03:35:49,149
the subdivision.

5278
03:35:49,149 --> 03:35:51,149
>> linda.

5279
03:35:56,123 --> 03:35:57,124
>> my name is linda bailey I live on

5280
03:35:57,124 --> 03:35:59,124
54th

5281
03:35:59,126 --> 03:36:00,127
st. And basically the church before

5282
03:36:00,127 --> 03:36:01,128
when it was a

5283
03:36:01,128 --> 03:36:03,130
school there would be the drop off

5284
03:36:03,130 --> 03:36:05,132
of the kids so

5285
03:36:05,132 --> 03:36:06,133
no one actually parked, they let the

5286
03:36:06,133 --> 03:36:07,134
kid get out of

5287
03:36:07,134 --> 03:36:09,136
the car and the cars would go through the

5288
03:36:09,136 --> 03:36:11,136
line. They

5289
03:36:11,138 --> 03:36:12,139
have tennis, pickleball, events that

5290
03:36:12,139 --> 03:36:14,139
go

5291
03:36:15,142 --> 03:36:18,145
to gulfport, all of those people are parking

5292
03:36:18,145 --> 03:36:20,147
in those parking spots. Now even

5293
03:36:20,147 --> 03:36:21,148
all the pickleball, tennis and people

5294
03:36:21,148 --> 03:36:23,148
from the

5295
03:36:24,151 --> 03:36:26,151
dog park, it

5296
03:36:27,120 --> 03:36:28,121
is getting so crowded. To add trying

5297
03:36:28,121 --> 03:36:29,122
to

5298
03:36:29,122 --> 03:36:31,124
get more parking spots to have a church

5299
03:36:31,124 --> 03:36:33,126
when you don't have any handicap parking

5300
03:36:33,126 --> 03:36:35,128
spots over there with

5301
03:36:35,128 --> 03:36:38,128
no paying for handicap accessible

5302
03:36:39,132 --> 03:36:42,135
and you have eight or nine parking spots

5303
03:36:42,135 --> 03:36:44,137
if you put any handicap

5304
03:36:44,137 --> 03:36:47,140
which you probably need in a church

5305
03:36:47,140 --> 03:36:48,141
I don't know if that's required in

5306
03:36:48,141 --> 03:36:51,141
church parking but you are

5307
03:36:51,144 --> 03:36:54,147
very limited on what, before it was

5308
03:36:54,147 --> 03:36:57,150
a vacant when we moved into

5309
03:36:57,150 --> 03:37:00,153
the property close by and it was not

5310
03:37:00,153 --> 03:37:02,122
being used and when

5311
03:37:02,122 --> 03:37:03,123
it was a preschool it was basically

5312
03:37:03,123 --> 03:37:04,124
transitioning with cars moving quickly

5313
03:37:04,124 --> 03:37:05,125
to

5314
03:37:05,125 --> 03:37:08,725
the line and nobody actually parked

5315
03:37:09,129 --> 03:37:11,129
so that is

5316
03:37:12,132 --> 03:37:13,133
the difference.

5317
03:37:13,133 --> 03:37:15,133
>> another hand

5318
03:37:15,135 --> 03:37:17,135
up here for

5319
03:37:18,138 --> 03:37:20,138
public comment.

5320
03:37:24,144 --> 03:37:26,144
>>

5321
03:37:27,147 --> 03:37:29,149
amy costa 20th ave., south. That

5322
03:37:29,149 --> 03:37:30,150
was very confusing but I cleaned it

5323
03:37:30,150 --> 03:37:32,150
all together.

5324
03:37:35,122 --> 03:37:36,123
I would like to say I don't know the

5325
03:37:36,123 --> 03:37:37,124
full story and who is the

5326
03:37:37,124 --> 03:37:39,126
argument what's going on here, but

5327
03:37:39,126 --> 03:37:41,128
I do know we have a plethora of empty

5328
03:37:41,128 --> 03:37:42,129
buildings sitting empty in gulfport

5329
03:37:42,129 --> 03:37:44,129
is very sad,

5330
03:37:44,131 --> 03:37:45,132
very difficult for small businesses

5331
03:37:45,132 --> 03:37:47,132
to lease

5332
03:37:48,135 --> 03:37:51,138
buildings, stay open we are struggling.

5333
03:37:51,138 --> 03:37:53,140
if there is an organization that wants

5334
03:37:53,140 --> 03:37:54,141
to take the building and do good things

5335
03:37:54,141 --> 03:37:56,141
in the community

5336
03:37:56,143 --> 03:37:57,144
I hope they are not a church of evil

5337
03:37:57,144 --> 03:37:59,144
but I

5338
03:37:59,146 --> 03:38:00,147
can see how it could be a bad thing

5339
03:38:00,147 --> 03:38:02,147
to have

5340
03:38:03,150 --> 03:38:06,150
more spaces for people together.

5341
03:38:06,153 --> 03:38:07,120
if you think about other things in

5342
03:38:07,120 --> 03:38:08,121
the city whether

5343
03:38:08,121 --> 03:38:09,122
it is a festival or a gecko ball or

5344
03:38:09,122 --> 03:38:11,122
whatever parking

5345
03:38:12,125 --> 03:38:14,127
we all survive it and we

5346
03:38:14,127 --> 03:38:15,128
all park everyone does okay and we'll

5347
03:38:15,128 --> 03:38:18,128
go home and go back

5348
03:38:18,131 --> 03:38:20,131
to normal. I

5349
03:38:20,133 --> 03:38:21,134
think it is okay I would like to share

5350
03:38:21,134 --> 03:38:23,136
that as a community member.

5351
03:38:23,136 --> 03:38:27,336
>> mary, did you have your hand up?

5352
03:38:30,143 --> 03:38:32,145
>> first of all a

5353
03:38:32,145 --> 03:38:33,146
question for the attorney can I speak

5354
03:38:33,146 --> 03:38:34,147
in public speaking?

5355
03:38:34,147 --> 03:38:36,147
>> because

5356
03:38:36,149 --> 03:38:37,150
you are in the board?

5357
03:38:37,150 --> 03:38:39,150
>> yes

5358
03:38:42,122 --> 03:38:43,123
.

5359
03:38:43,123 --> 03:38:44,124
>> it is advisory and

5360
03:38:44,124 --> 03:38:45,125
a public meeting so as long as you

5361
03:38:45,125 --> 03:38:47,127
are not speaking on behalf of the

5362
03:38:47,127 --> 03:38:48,128
board you can go ahead.

5363
03:38:48,128 --> 03:38:49,129
>> speaking

5364
03:38:49,129 --> 03:38:51,131
as a individual. Thank you.

5365
03:38:51,131 --> 03:38:53,133
I was or I am on

5366
03:38:53,133 --> 03:38:54,134
the planning and zoning board and

5367
03:38:54,134 --> 03:38:57,137
this did come in front of us and it

5368
03:38:57,137 --> 03:38:59,137
was very confusing.

5369
03:38:59,139 --> 03:39:00,140
I have a couple of suggestions both

5370
03:39:00,140 --> 03:39:03,140
for the planning department and

5371
03:39:03,143 --> 03:39:06,146
in general. Maps and diagrams are terrific.

5372
03:39:06,146 --> 03:39:09,149
if we had a map that

5373
03:39:09,149 --> 03:39:10,150
said this building is this,

5374
03:39:10,150 --> 03:39:12,152
this building is this, this building

5375
03:39:12,152 --> 03:39:14,152
is this

5376
03:39:15,122 --> 03:39:16,123
and where the parking would go everything

5377
03:39:16,123 --> 03:39:17,124
would

5378
03:39:17,124 --> 03:39:18,125
be much more clear and for you guys

5379
03:39:18,125 --> 03:39:20,125
as

5380
03:39:21,128 --> 03:39:23,130
well so I would

5381
03:39:23,130 --> 03:39:24,131
like to see that in the future, the

5382
03:39:24,131 --> 03:39:26,531
lady who came up

5383
03:39:27,134 --> 03:39:30,137
whose name escapes me. I'm not sure

5384
03:39:30,137 --> 03:39:33,137
if you are the owner,

5385
03:39:33,140 --> 03:39:36,143
or the person running the church.

5386
03:39:36,143 --> 03:39:38,143
>> speak

5387
03:39:39,146 --> 03:39:40,147
to us.

5388
03:39:40,147 --> 03:39:42,147
>> neither the owner

5389
03:39:42,149 --> 03:39:43,150
nor the church were present and it

5390
03:39:43,150 --> 03:39:45,150
would've

5391
03:39:45,152 --> 03:39:49,122
been nice to hear from them. I am, however,

5392
03:39:49,122 --> 03:39:51,124
concerned about allowing the

5393
03:39:51,124 --> 03:39:54,124
counting of right-of-way spaces toward

5394
03:39:55,128 --> 03:39:56,129
parking requirements because they

5395
03:39:56,129 --> 03:39:58,131
are not dedicated to the building.

5396
03:39:58,131 --> 03:40:00,133
if we allow people

5397
03:40:00,133 --> 03:40:01,134
to park there on the right-of-way

5398
03:40:01,134 --> 03:40:03,134
which

5399
03:40:03,136 --> 03:40:04,137
we do mostly for events than that

5400
03:40:04,137 --> 03:40:06,137
is

5401
03:40:07,140 --> 03:40:09,142
free for all parking.

5402
03:40:09,142 --> 03:40:10,143
so it is not dedicated they could

5403
03:40:10,143 --> 03:40:12,145
not mark it or put

5404
03:40:12,145 --> 03:40:13,146
disabled spots, they cannot do the

5405
03:40:13,146 --> 03:40:14,147
other things that are

5406
03:40:14,147 --> 03:40:17,747
required for parking for the building

5407
03:40:19,152 --> 03:40:20,153
and I do have

5408
03:40:20,153 --> 03:40:21,121
concerns about setting the precedent

5409
03:40:21,121 --> 03:40:22,122
by saying this building for this use

5410
03:40:22,122 --> 03:40:23,123
can

5411
03:40:23,123 --> 03:40:26,123
use public right-of-way to satisfy

5412
03:40:28,128 --> 03:40:29,129
parking

5413
03:40:29,129 --> 03:40:31,131
requirements. I realize downtown we

5414
03:40:31,131 --> 03:40:32,132
have variances because downtown

5415
03:40:32,132 --> 03:40:34,134
is a different area, but I am worried

5416
03:40:34,134 --> 03:40:37,134
about where we are going

5417
03:40:37,137 --> 03:40:39,537
with this. Thank you.

5418
03:40:40,140 --> 03:40:42,142
>> thank you. Okay. I

5419
03:40:42,142 --> 03:40:46,146
think we should , I have a question

5420
03:40:46,146 --> 03:40:49,149
maybe I cannot ask the fire marshal to

5421
03:40:49,149 --> 03:40:50,150
come up.

5422
03:40:50,150 --> 03:40:52,150
>> jim,

5423
03:40:52,152 --> 03:40:54,152
come on up.

5424
03:40:55,122 --> 03:40:57,522
>> okay. Just because during

5425
03:40:58,125 --> 03:40:59,126
public comment it was stated

5426
03:40:59,126 --> 03:41:01,128
there was the issue with fire safety

5427
03:41:01,128 --> 03:41:04,131
codes and I wanted to get

5428
03:41:04,131 --> 03:41:05,132
your take on that.

5429
03:41:05,132 --> 03:41:06,133
>> when the building

5430
03:41:06,133 --> 03:41:07,134
was taken over by the daycare talking

5431
03:41:07,134 --> 03:41:09,534
about separate building that

5432
03:41:10,137 --> 03:41:11,138
they own.

5433
03:41:11,138 --> 03:41:13,140
it was brought up to code the alarm

5434
03:41:13,140 --> 03:41:16,143
system was put in, it was made

5435
03:41:16,143 --> 03:41:19,146
safe for children. Now it has

5436
03:41:19,146 --> 03:41:21,146
been left abandoned ,

5437
03:41:22,149 --> 03:41:24,151
they took the alarm system out

5438
03:41:24,151 --> 03:41:28,121
which will have to be put back into it

5439
03:41:28,121 --> 03:41:29,122
and if you get occupant

5440
03:41:29,122 --> 03:41:30,123
load to see how many people they can put

5441
03:41:30,123 --> 03:41:31,124
into the church for usage. That's

5442
03:41:31,124 --> 03:41:33,124
where

5443
03:41:34,127 --> 03:41:35,128
we are now on the fireside. The building

5444
03:41:35,128 --> 03:41:36,129
next

5445
03:41:36,129 --> 03:41:37,130
to it is the sunflower school and

5446
03:41:37,130 --> 03:41:39,130
they have

5447
03:41:39,132 --> 03:41:40,133
passed recent inspection. I don't

5448
03:41:40,133 --> 03:41:43,133
know if that answers the

5449
03:41:43,136 --> 03:41:44,137
question.

5450
03:41:44,137 --> 03:41:46,137
>> initially are

5451
03:41:46,139 --> 03:41:48,539
you questioning that 45 people

5452
03:41:49,142 --> 03:41:51,542
could exceed the load?

5453
03:41:52,145 --> 03:41:54,147
>> it does have a

5454
03:41:54,147 --> 03:41:55,148
dividing wall and I live to get in

5455
03:41:55,148 --> 03:41:56,149
and

5456
03:41:56,149 --> 03:41:57,150
measure because the daycare is different

5457
03:41:57,150 --> 03:41:58,151
occupancy from a church so we had

5458
03:41:58,151 --> 03:42:00,151
to

5459
03:42:01,121 --> 03:42:03,123
see if they're using

5460
03:42:03,123 --> 03:42:04,124
pews or chairs, how they are using the

5461
03:42:04,124 --> 03:42:06,124
rooms that

5462
03:42:07,127 --> 03:42:08,128
are there.

5463
03:42:08,128 --> 03:42:09,129
>> mayor, that starts

5464
03:42:09,129 --> 03:42:12,129
with the business receipt application?

5465
03:42:13,133 --> 03:42:16,133
it will trigger fire inspection

5466
03:42:16,136 --> 03:42:17,137
and all of those type

5467
03:42:17,137 --> 03:42:19,139
things, they have to get the site

5468
03:42:19,139 --> 03:42:20,140
plan approved for

5469
03:42:20,140 --> 03:42:22,142
the parking and that is what you will see

5470
03:42:22,142 --> 03:42:23,143
in the packet, the pictures are in

5471
03:42:23,143 --> 03:42:24,144
the

5472
03:42:24,144 --> 03:42:27,744
packet. So that trigger when this

5473
03:42:28,148 --> 03:42:30,150
is initially are going to

5474
03:42:30,150 --> 03:42:31,151
grant conditional use?

5475
03:42:31,151 --> 03:42:32,152
>> allow them

5476
03:42:32,152 --> 03:42:33,153
to

5477
03:42:33,153 --> 03:42:34,121
do this use and everything else is triggered

5478
03:42:34,121 --> 03:42:36,121
that

5479
03:42:37,124 --> 03:42:38,125
has to be met.

5480
03:42:38,125 --> 03:42:40,125
>> so,

5481
03:42:40,127 --> 03:42:43,130
if I understand right this went

5482
03:42:43,130 --> 03:42:45,132
before planning and zoning,

5483
03:42:45,132 --> 03:42:46,133
planning and zoning advanced to us

5484
03:42:46,133 --> 03:42:49,136
with a couple of conditions. One

5485
03:42:49,136 --> 03:42:51,138
was that there would be agreement

5486
03:42:51,138 --> 03:42:52,139
between the church and the school

5487
03:42:52,139 --> 03:42:54,139
about parking and

5488
03:42:55,142 --> 03:42:57,542
one is that it

5489
03:42:58,145 --> 03:43:01,148
has to pass fire inspection. So these

5490
03:43:01,148 --> 03:43:03,148
are conditions that

5491
03:43:03,150 --> 03:43:04,151
we have to all be addressed before

5492
03:43:04,151 --> 03:43:06,551
it could be finalized.

5493
03:43:07,154 --> 03:43:10,123
>> before they get final certificate

5494
03:43:10,123 --> 03:43:11,124
of occupancy to operate the business.

5495
03:43:11,124 --> 03:43:13,126
>> correct. We did have a meeting

5496
03:43:13,126 --> 03:43:15,526
with the owner myself,

5497
03:43:16,129 --> 03:43:18,129
community development prior

5498
03:43:19,132 --> 03:43:22,132
just to make them aware.

5499
03:43:22,135 --> 03:43:24,137
>> okay, all right. Do

5500
03:43:24,137 --> 03:43:25,138
we have any more questions, any of

5501
03:43:25,138 --> 03:43:27,138
you for

5502
03:43:28,141 --> 03:43:29,142
the city?

5503
03:43:29,142 --> 03:43:31,144
>> I'm sorry, you go first. >>

5504
03:43:31,144 --> 03:43:33,146
when the business tax receipt

5505
03:43:33,146 --> 03:43:37,150
is generated that's when you go back right?

5506
03:43:37,150 --> 03:43:39,152
>> most likely we will meet before that

5507
03:43:39,152 --> 03:43:40,153
to make sure everything is clarified.

5508
03:43:40,153 --> 03:43:43,123
before they get to that

5509
03:43:43,123 --> 03:43:45,123
point because

5510
03:43:45,125 --> 03:43:46,126
at that point that is pretty much

5511
03:43:46,126 --> 03:43:48,128
the end of the story so I

5512
03:43:48,128 --> 03:43:49,129
would have to say yes, but if I am

5513
03:43:49,129 --> 03:43:51,131
aware and we are

5514
03:43:51,131 --> 03:43:52,132
speaking on what needs to be done

5515
03:43:52,132 --> 03:43:54,532
then it should be

5516
03:43:55,135 --> 03:43:56,136
a smooth process.

5517
03:43:56,136 --> 03:43:58,136
>> mandatory inspections okay.

5518
03:44:01,141 --> 03:44:03,141
>> that triggers everything.

5519
03:44:04,144 --> 03:44:06,544
>> final signature. >> any questions?

5520
03:44:07,147 --> 03:44:10,147
>> not for the fire department.

5521
03:44:10,150 --> 03:44:13,153
>> I don't have any for the

5522
03:44:13,153 --> 03:44:14,121
fire department.

5523
03:44:14,121 --> 03:44:16,121
>> always here

5524
03:44:16,123 --> 03:44:17,124
if you need me.

5525
03:44:17,124 --> 03:44:19,124
>> all right, so

5526
03:44:19,126 --> 03:44:22,129
I think this is the first one

5527
03:44:22,129 --> 03:44:24,129
they have advanced

5528
03:44:24,131 --> 03:44:25,132
from planning and zoning to us, so

5529
03:44:25,132 --> 03:44:28,132
they are the advisory board

5530
03:44:28,135 --> 03:44:31,135
and sorry bailey but you

5531
03:44:31,138 --> 03:44:33,538
get one public comment,

5532
03:44:34,141 --> 03:44:35,142
your hearing is when you could say

5533
03:44:35,142 --> 03:44:36,143
anything you wanted, not

5534
03:44:36,143 --> 03:44:37,144
now. Sorry. They have advanced to that

5535
03:44:37,144 --> 03:44:39,146
to us and I think

5536
03:44:39,146 --> 03:44:40,147
we are now clear on what they are

5537
03:44:40,147 --> 03:44:42,147
asking us

5538
03:44:43,150 --> 03:44:45,150
to do , so

5539
03:44:46,153 --> 03:44:48,553
my understanding is planning

5540
03:44:49,122 --> 03:44:52,122
and zoning has advanced it,

5541
03:44:52,125 --> 03:44:53,126
my understanding the city approved with

5542
03:44:53,126 --> 03:44:55,126
these conditions

5543
03:44:56,129 --> 03:44:58,131
on it, so now it is up to

5544
03:44:58,131 --> 03:44:59,132
us to take a vote, whether we want

5545
03:44:59,132 --> 03:45:01,132
to pass

5546
03:45:02,135 --> 03:45:03,136
or not. Am I clear?

5547
03:45:03,136 --> 03:45:05,136
>>

5548
03:45:05,138 --> 03:45:08,138
the city recommended it. Subject

5549
03:45:08,141 --> 03:45:10,541
to your approval. With

5550
03:45:11,144 --> 03:45:13,144
conditions they placed.

5551
03:45:13,146 --> 03:45:15,148
>> so do we want to have any more

5552
03:45:15,148 --> 03:45:17,150
comments made amongst ourselves prior

5553
03:45:17,150 --> 03:45:18,151
to the vote?

5554
03:45:18,151 --> 03:45:20,151
>>

5555
03:45:20,153 --> 03:45:23,123
you are good? You are good?

5556
03:45:23,123 --> 03:45:24,124
you are next.

5557
03:45:24,124 --> 03:45:25,125
>> just so

5558
03:45:25,125 --> 03:45:26,126
you know personally I don't like using

5559
03:45:26,126 --> 03:45:28,126
right-of-way for parking

5560
03:45:29,129 --> 03:45:31,129
and allowing that

5561
03:45:32,132 --> 03:45:35,132
to be the parking spaces.

5562
03:45:35,135 --> 03:45:37,137
>> what did you want?

5563
03:45:37,137 --> 03:45:38,138
>> it should be street parking like parallel

5564
03:45:38,138 --> 03:45:39,139
parking.

5565
03:45:39,139 --> 03:45:40,140
>>

5566
03:45:40,140 --> 03:45:41,141
we are voting on the resolution to allow

5567
03:45:41,141 --> 03:45:43,141
the

5568
03:45:44,144 --> 03:45:45,145
application to go forward.

5569
03:45:45,145 --> 03:45:47,145
>>

5570
03:45:48,148 --> 03:45:50,150
it has to meet parking requirements and

5571
03:45:50,150 --> 03:45:51,151
do all those things. If

5572
03:45:51,151 --> 03:45:52,152
they do not then they can't.

5573
03:45:52,152 --> 03:45:53,153
>> they

5574
03:45:53,153 --> 03:45:55,153
are counting

5575
03:45:56,123 --> 03:45:57,124
right-of-way parking.

5576
03:45:57,124 --> 03:45:59,124
>> I

5577
03:45:59,126 --> 03:46:01,126
understand. Sorry.

5578
03:46:02,129 --> 03:46:05,132
it is a philosophy versus, yes.

5579
03:46:05,132 --> 03:46:06,133
okay.

5580
03:46:06,133 --> 03:46:08,133
>> seems to me

5581
03:46:08,135 --> 03:46:10,137
this is a sequential process

5582
03:46:10,137 --> 03:46:11,138
so the next step would be for us to

5583
03:46:11,138 --> 03:46:13,138
prove

5584
03:46:13,140 --> 03:46:14,141
going forward and then they have to

5585
03:46:14,141 --> 03:46:16,141
meet

5586
03:46:16,143 --> 03:46:17,144
other criteria so with that in mind I

5587
03:46:17,144 --> 03:46:19,144
am

5588
03:46:20,147 --> 03:46:21,148
fine.

5589
03:46:21,148 --> 03:46:23,150
>> okay so just say.

5590
03:46:23,150 --> 03:46:25,150
>>, boat please.

5591
03:46:29,122 --> 03:46:31,122
>> [ roll call vote ]

5592
03:46:32,125 --> 03:46:34,125
>> carries to passage.

5593
03:46:35,128 --> 03:46:37,128
>>

5594
03:46:37,130 --> 03:46:38,131
all right, so that will then take us

5595
03:46:38,131 --> 03:46:40,131
,

5596
03:46:41,134 --> 03:46:44,134
that was a resolution eight

5597
03:46:44,137 --> 03:46:47,140
b correct? That will take us to

5598
03:46:47,140 --> 03:46:49,140
discussion items.

5599
03:46:50,143 --> 03:46:52,143
>>

5600
03:46:53,146 --> 03:46:56,149
just to be clear, to everybody

5601
03:46:56,149 --> 03:46:59,152
that is out there, still. These

5602
03:46:59,152 --> 03:47:01,152
are discussion items

5603
03:47:04,124 --> 03:47:05,125
for the city council, the decision

5604
03:47:05,125 --> 03:47:07,127
makers to either decide to advance

5605
03:47:07,127 --> 03:47:08,128
these or not, we're not going to be

5606
03:47:08,128 --> 03:47:11,131
taking public comment on that, if

5607
03:47:11,131 --> 03:47:12,132
we advance

5608
03:47:12,132 --> 03:47:14,134
there would be public comment prior to any

5609
03:47:14,134 --> 03:47:15,135
kind of vote

5610
03:47:15,135 --> 03:47:17,137
but that is not happening tonight, no

5611
03:47:17,137 --> 03:47:19,137
public comment

5612
03:47:20,140 --> 03:47:22,140
on these items,

5613
03:47:22,142 --> 03:47:23,143
this is the only opportunity we have to

5614
03:47:23,143 --> 03:47:25,143
talk about these

5615
03:47:25,145 --> 03:47:26,146
items. So, thank you.

5616
03:47:26,146 --> 03:47:28,146
>> nine eight

5617
03:47:28,148 --> 03:47:32,348
the discussion item on the draft ordinance

5618
03:47:35,122 --> 03:47:36,123
staff

5619
03:47:36,123 --> 03:47:37,124
has prepared ordinance for city council to

5620
03:47:37,124 --> 03:47:38,125
review with their actions given on with a

5621
03:47:38,125 --> 03:47:39,126
counselor

5622
03:47:39,126 --> 03:47:41,128
like to see changes made before bringing

5623
03:47:41,128 --> 03:47:42,129
items to future agenda for roll call

5624
03:47:42,129 --> 03:47:44,129
vote.

5625
03:47:44,131 --> 03:47:46,131
>> okay mayor.

5626
03:47:47,134 --> 03:47:49,534
I tried to gather

5627
03:47:50,137 --> 03:47:53,140
the concerns from council in drafting this.

5628
03:47:53,140 --> 03:47:55,140
remember

5629
03:47:55,142 --> 03:47:59,146
the issues this is under new since

5630
03:47:59,146 --> 03:48:01,148
area so we try to control

5631
03:48:01,148 --> 03:48:02,149
what kind of lighting can basically go from

5632
03:48:02,149 --> 03:48:03,150
somebody's

5633
03:48:03,150 --> 03:48:06,750
property, to another person's property or

5634
03:48:07,154 --> 03:48:08,121
toward the street that would cause

5635
03:48:08,121 --> 03:48:10,121
any kind of

5636
03:48:11,124 --> 03:48:13,126
nuisance. Also when I looked

5637
03:48:13,126 --> 03:48:16,129
at it I tried to look at the compatibility

5638
03:48:16,129 --> 03:48:17,130
issues, not that it would go over

5639
03:48:17,130 --> 03:48:19,130
somebody

5640
03:48:19,132 --> 03:48:20,133
else's yard , but generally where

5641
03:48:20,133 --> 03:48:22,133
you

5642
03:48:22,135 --> 03:48:23,136
can have lighting and the lighting

5643
03:48:23,136 --> 03:48:25,136
you can

5644
03:48:25,138 --> 03:48:28,141
have. Obviously it is just a draft

5645
03:48:28,141 --> 03:48:31,144
for council to do whatever you want

5646
03:48:31,144 --> 03:48:32,145
with.

5647
03:48:32,145 --> 03:48:34,147
>> I definitely have thoughts

5648
03:48:34,147 --> 03:48:35,148
but I would like to hear everybody

5649
03:48:35,148 --> 03:48:37,548
else's, as well. And

5650
03:48:38,151 --> 03:48:39,152
we will see if we

5651
03:48:39,152 --> 03:48:41,121
have any kind of consensus on this.

5652
03:48:41,121 --> 03:48:43,121
councilmember jackson

5653
03:48:44,124 --> 03:48:45,125
if you would start us off.

5654
03:48:45,125 --> 03:48:47,125
>> I

5655
03:48:47,127 --> 03:48:50,130
am okay with this right now.

5656
03:48:50,130 --> 03:48:52,130
>> okay . Councilmember

5657
03:48:53,133 --> 03:48:54,134
?

5658
03:48:54,134 --> 03:48:56,136
>> it looks a little

5659
03:48:56,136 --> 03:48:57,137
hoa.

5660
03:48:57,137 --> 03:48:59,137
>>

5661
03:48:59,139 --> 03:49:02,142
that is probably fair. Like the

5662
03:49:02,142 --> 03:49:05,145
hoa, the color of your house

5663
03:49:05,145 --> 03:49:07,147
can be this color and your light,

5664
03:49:07,147 --> 03:49:08,148
you can't have a golf cart that is red.

5665
03:49:08,148 --> 03:49:10,148
I don't know.

5666
03:49:13,153 --> 03:49:14,154
>> any time you put in specifics for

5667
03:49:14,154 --> 03:49:16,154
people's residences

5668
03:49:17,124 --> 03:49:19,126
, there are sections in

5669
03:49:19,126 --> 03:49:20,127
here you may want to just remove,

5670
03:49:20,127 --> 03:49:23,127
there's nothing wrong with that.

5671
03:49:23,130 --> 03:49:25,130
>> anything else?

5672
03:49:26,133 --> 03:49:28,133
>> no.

5673
03:49:29,136 --> 03:49:31,138
>> I am pretty okay with it. My

5674
03:49:31,138 --> 03:49:32,139
concern is the house as they are building

5675
03:49:32,139 --> 03:49:34,539
with the long tube

5676
03:49:35,142 --> 03:49:36,143
lighting in the front end of a light up

5677
03:49:36,143 --> 03:49:38,145
the whole neighborhood. I want to

5678
03:49:38,145 --> 03:49:39,146
make sure because they could argue

5679
03:49:39,146 --> 03:49:41,146
it is

5680
03:49:41,148 --> 03:49:42,149
for safety reasons.

5681
03:49:42,149 --> 03:49:44,149
>> you

5682
03:49:44,151 --> 03:49:47,151
cannot shine beyond your yard

5683
03:49:47,154 --> 03:49:49,122
it cannot shine into the

5684
03:49:49,122 --> 03:49:50,123
next-door neighbors or into the right-of-way.

5685
03:49:50,123 --> 03:49:52,125
so you can have

5686
03:49:52,125 --> 03:49:55,725
very nice whatever they are called.

5687
03:49:56,129 --> 03:49:58,129
,

5688
03:49:59,132 --> 03:50:02,135
they cannot have that kind of brightness

5689
03:50:02,135 --> 03:50:05,135
that will cause a problem.

5690
03:50:05,138 --> 03:50:07,140
it can look nice but that does not mean

5691
03:50:07,140 --> 03:50:08,141
it can be shining and lighting up

5692
03:50:08,141 --> 03:50:10,541
which is what the

5693
03:50:11,144 --> 03:50:12,145
concern was.

5694
03:50:12,145 --> 03:50:14,147
>> I would like to prohibit

5695
03:50:14,147 --> 03:50:15,148
the long lights period because you

5696
03:50:15,148 --> 03:50:17,148
know I

5697
03:50:17,150 --> 03:50:19,152
don't know if they could

5698
03:50:19,152 --> 03:50:20,153
make them I don't know low enough

5699
03:50:20,153 --> 03:50:23,123
wattage that it would kind

5700
03:50:23,123 --> 03:50:24,124
of go as opposed to lighting up the

5701
03:50:24,124 --> 03:50:26,124
whole thing.

5702
03:50:26,126 --> 03:50:29,129
>> honestly when I wrote this that's

5703
03:50:29,129 --> 03:50:32,132
what I tried to get to.

5704
03:50:32,132 --> 03:50:35,135
the problem is you end up being

5705
03:50:35,135 --> 03:50:37,135
hoa

5706
03:50:38,138 --> 03:50:39,139
so I tried to be more general. It

5707
03:50:39,139 --> 03:50:40,140
is hard.

5708
03:50:40,140 --> 03:50:41,141
>>

5709
03:50:41,141 --> 03:50:43,143
I mean it is

5710
03:50:43,143 --> 03:50:44,144
pretty good, I was worried people

5711
03:50:44,144 --> 03:50:46,146
could say I'm worried about

5712
03:50:46,146 --> 03:50:47,147
safety parking on the street walking

5713
03:50:47,147 --> 03:50:49,147
up my walkway.

5714
03:50:49,149 --> 03:50:50,150
>> you can worry about the way this

5715
03:50:50,150 --> 03:50:52,150
is written sliding

5716
03:50:54,154 --> 03:50:56,123
on your property

5717
03:50:56,123 --> 03:50:57,124
for example light fixtures shall not

5718
03:50:57,124 --> 03:50:59,124
be directly

5719
03:50:59,126 --> 03:51:00,127
or indirectly shining toward adjacent

5720
03:51:00,127 --> 03:51:01,128
properties

5721
03:51:01,128 --> 03:51:03,130
fences and public right-of-way. You

5722
03:51:03,130 --> 03:51:05,530
can have your nice

5723
03:51:06,133 --> 03:51:09,136
but not the big wattage bulbs.

5724
03:51:09,136 --> 03:51:10,137
>>

5725
03:51:10,137 --> 03:51:12,139
as long as that's okay because I mean

5726
03:51:12,139 --> 03:51:13,140
it's like

5727
03:51:13,140 --> 03:51:15,142
you have a quiet neighborhood where

5728
03:51:15,142 --> 03:51:18,142
people have little porch lights

5729
03:51:18,145 --> 03:51:20,147
and then you have a glow from

5730
03:51:20,147 --> 03:51:21,148
these things.

5731
03:51:21,148 --> 03:51:24,148
>> we try to make it

5732
03:51:24,151 --> 03:51:26,153
also again maybe hoa ,

5733
03:51:26,153 --> 03:51:29,153
compatible with , in the neighborhood.

5734
03:51:30,123 --> 03:51:33,126
so in the one you described

5735
03:51:33,126 --> 03:51:35,128
you would not expect

5736
03:51:35,128 --> 03:51:36,129
those to have it, that's not compatible

5737
03:51:36,129 --> 03:51:37,130
however in

5738
03:51:37,130 --> 03:51:41,134
a neighborhood that has the big ones

5739
03:51:41,134 --> 03:51:44,734
it's probably okay in that neighborhood.

5740
03:51:45,138 --> 03:51:47,140
>> that's the big part, this is

5741
03:51:47,140 --> 03:51:48,141
not taking lights off the houses ,

5742
03:51:48,141 --> 03:51:50,141
the

5743
03:51:51,144 --> 03:51:52,145
house on 18th ave. This is not

5744
03:51:52,145 --> 03:51:54,147
going to take the lights of the house

5745
03:51:54,147 --> 03:51:56,149
on 18th ave. They are

5746
03:51:56,149 --> 03:51:59,152
there, these people would be okay.

5747
03:51:59,152 --> 03:52:00,153
somebody down the street starts doing it

5748
03:52:00,153 --> 03:52:02,122
then you have

5749
03:52:02,122 --> 03:52:05,125
the conversation. At this point you

5750
03:52:05,125 --> 03:52:06,126
are looking and I guess the best way

5751
03:52:06,126 --> 03:52:09,126
to do it is compare,

5752
03:52:09,129 --> 03:52:11,529
there's language on spotlights.

5753
03:52:12,132 --> 03:52:15,135
if I keep it in my yard

5754
03:52:15,135 --> 03:52:17,137
you may not like it

5755
03:52:17,137 --> 03:52:18,138
but it is still a decorative lamp

5756
03:52:18,138 --> 03:52:20,138
just because it

5757
03:52:20,140 --> 03:52:21,141
does not fit the neighborhood does

5758
03:52:21,141 --> 03:52:23,141
not mean

5759
03:52:24,144 --> 03:52:25,145
it is

5760
03:52:25,145 --> 03:52:27,147
extending the glowing across the street.

5761
03:52:27,147 --> 03:52:29,547
then you are getting

5762
03:52:30,150 --> 03:52:31,151
subjective.

5763
03:52:31,151 --> 03:52:32,152
>>

5764
03:52:32,152 --> 03:52:33,153
that is what I am worried about, the

5765
03:52:33,153 --> 03:52:35,153
whole safety thing

5766
03:52:36,123 --> 03:52:39,123
and whatever being too subjective.

5767
03:52:39,126 --> 03:52:41,526
>> it's not subjective in

5768
03:52:42,129 --> 03:52:43,130
that aspect.

5769
03:52:43,130 --> 03:52:44,131
>> basically I

5770
03:52:44,131 --> 03:52:45,132
totally want to do this because I

5771
03:52:45,132 --> 03:52:47,132
don't want those

5772
03:52:48,135 --> 03:52:51,135
things, but people who have

5773
03:52:51,138 --> 03:52:53,538
those now, could neighbors

5774
03:52:54,141 --> 03:52:56,143
complained that the light

5775
03:52:56,143 --> 03:52:57,144
is, like the people who live next

5776
03:52:57,144 --> 03:52:59,144
door to the

5777
03:52:59,146 --> 03:53:00,147
house had to buy blackout curtains for

5778
03:53:00,147 --> 03:53:02,147
their

5779
03:53:02,149 --> 03:53:05,152
whole house so could they complain

5780
03:53:05,152 --> 03:53:06,153
that it is a nuisance that they should

5781
03:53:06,153 --> 03:53:08,121
turn

5782
03:53:08,121 --> 03:53:12,125
them off by 10:00 at night or something?

5783
03:53:12,125 --> 03:53:13,126
as code enforcement not nuisance.

5784
03:53:13,126 --> 03:53:15,126
>>

5785
03:53:15,128 --> 03:53:17,128
the city permitted

5786
03:53:18,131 --> 03:53:19,132
and approved.

5787
03:53:19,132 --> 03:53:21,132
>>

5788
03:53:21,134 --> 03:53:24,137
I know they did not have

5789
03:53:24,137 --> 03:53:26,537
any reason not to.

5790
03:53:27,140 --> 03:53:30,143
>> trying to do the most we can to protect

5791
03:53:30,143 --> 03:53:32,143
individual property owners

5792
03:53:33,146 --> 03:53:34,147
who did not have it in place, we have

5793
03:53:34,147 --> 03:53:36,147
to

5794
03:53:36,149 --> 03:53:38,149
have something

5795
03:53:38,151 --> 03:53:39,152
to prohibit shining from other people's backyards,

5796
03:53:39,152 --> 03:53:41,152
new fences and

5797
03:53:42,122 --> 03:53:43,123
right-of-way's. That is at least the

5798
03:53:43,123 --> 03:53:45,123
main

5799
03:53:45,125 --> 03:53:46,126
gist I got from council.

5800
03:53:46,126 --> 03:53:47,127
>> in other words

5801
03:53:47,127 --> 03:53:48,128
those were my concerns otherwise it

5802
03:53:48,128 --> 03:53:50,128
is

5803
03:53:51,131 --> 03:53:52,132
okay.

5804
03:53:52,132 --> 03:53:53,133
>>

5805
03:53:53,133 --> 03:53:54,134
in this conversation we brought up discussion

5806
03:53:54,134 --> 03:53:56,134
of wattage

5807
03:53:58,138 --> 03:54:00,140
and I'm wondering if illumination might be

5808
03:54:00,140 --> 03:54:03,143
a factor that we could address.

5809
03:54:03,143 --> 03:54:06,146
I know in projects I have

5810
03:54:06,146 --> 03:54:09,149
worked on , that was a factor.

5811
03:54:09,149 --> 03:54:11,149
>> I did look

5812
03:54:12,152 --> 03:54:14,552
at ordinances with wattage

5813
03:54:15,122 --> 03:54:18,125
and why I did not put it in is that

5814
03:54:18,125 --> 03:54:20,127
it's really specific in different

5815
03:54:20,127 --> 03:54:21,128
zoning areas. I can bring you back

5816
03:54:21,128 --> 03:54:23,128
something

5817
03:54:23,130 --> 03:54:24,131
with that, it will not be a nuisance

5818
03:54:24,131 --> 03:54:26,131
ordinance anymore,

5819
03:54:27,134 --> 03:54:30,137
it would be a lighting ordinance

5820
03:54:30,137 --> 03:54:31,138
and he will start talking about the

5821
03:54:31,138 --> 03:54:33,138
wattage

5822
03:54:33,140 --> 03:54:36,140
per area, it's very collocated.

5823
03:54:36,143 --> 03:54:39,146
I can draft it if you

5824
03:54:39,146 --> 03:54:40,147
want.

5825
03:54:40,147 --> 03:54:41,148
>>

5826
03:54:41,148 --> 03:54:42,149
it's not just the wattage, it is the

5827
03:54:42,149 --> 03:54:45,152
type of illumination that is even driving

5828
03:54:45,152 --> 03:54:47,552
can be a hazard.

5829
03:54:48,121 --> 03:54:50,121
I was

5830
03:54:51,124 --> 03:54:53,124
just wondering

5831
03:54:54,127 --> 03:54:57,127
if I could be integrated

5832
03:54:57,130 --> 03:55:00,130
into a just the feedback.

5833
03:55:00,133 --> 03:55:02,133
you know what?

5834
03:55:03,136 --> 03:55:04,137
thought about it and I

5835
03:55:04,137 --> 03:55:06,139
thought about what you give me direction

5836
03:55:06,139 --> 03:55:09,142
to do and what I heard

5837
03:55:09,142 --> 03:55:12,145
was that the biggest concern was

5838
03:55:12,145 --> 03:55:13,146
the nuisance aspect of it and that

5839
03:55:13,146 --> 03:55:15,146
is

5840
03:55:15,148 --> 03:55:18,151
how I draft it but I will do whatever

5841
03:55:18,151 --> 03:55:19,152
you want, I can draft a

5842
03:55:19,152 --> 03:55:21,152
comprehensive illumination ordinance

5843
03:55:21,154 --> 03:55:23,554
, I looked at some

5844
03:55:24,124 --> 03:55:27,127
and they were going on and on

5845
03:55:27,127 --> 03:55:29,129
and on. Not sure this is what council

5846
03:55:29,129 --> 03:55:33,133
wants, but I will do whatever you want.

5847
03:55:33,133 --> 03:55:34,134
>> I would defer to council, but I

5848
03:55:34,134 --> 03:55:36,134
think

5849
03:55:36,136 --> 03:55:39,139
it is two fold, what it is

5850
03:55:39,139 --> 03:55:42,142
doing to impact the neighbors, but also

5851
03:55:42,142 --> 03:55:44,142
the illumination and

5852
03:55:45,145 --> 03:55:48,148
the glare. It is a hazard.

5853
03:55:48,148 --> 03:55:49,149
>> the other thing I might say to council is if

5854
03:55:49,149 --> 03:55:51,149
you

5855
03:55:51,151 --> 03:55:54,154
pass this let us see how it works

5856
03:55:54,154 --> 03:55:55,122
and we can always amend.

5857
03:55:55,122 --> 03:55:56,123
>> then you

5858
03:55:56,123 --> 03:55:57,124
are

5859
03:55:57,124 --> 03:55:58,125
stuck with houses that have bright

5860
03:55:58,125 --> 03:55:59,126
lights.

5861
03:55:59,126 --> 03:56:00,127
>>

5862
03:56:00,127 --> 03:56:01,128
houses with bright lights that cannot

5863
03:56:01,128 --> 03:56:02,129
illuminate, this

5864
03:56:02,129 --> 03:56:06,133
you can't go beyond your yard which

5865
03:56:06,133 --> 03:56:09,136
is key for us to get in place.

5866
03:56:09,136 --> 03:56:12,139
even if we go the other way

5867
03:56:12,139 --> 03:56:13,140
this is the issue have to deal with the

5868
03:56:13,140 --> 03:56:15,140
issue quickly.

5869
03:56:15,142 --> 03:56:17,142
>> well I am

5870
03:56:17,144 --> 03:56:18,145
always in favor of incremental progress

5871
03:56:18,145 --> 03:56:20,545
so that is fine

5872
03:56:22,149 --> 03:56:23,150
with me.

5873
03:56:23,150 --> 03:56:25,150
>> good?

5874
03:56:25,152 --> 03:56:26,153
okay.

5875
03:56:26,153 --> 03:56:27,154
>> here is

5876
03:56:27,154 --> 03:56:30,123
my thoughts. Number one I really want

5877
03:56:30,123 --> 03:56:34,127
to see some kind of lighting ordinance

5878
03:56:34,127 --> 03:56:37,130
and I feel like sooner is better

5879
03:56:37,130 --> 03:56:38,131
than later because

5880
03:56:38,131 --> 03:56:42,135
as we have more and more residents

5881
03:56:42,135 --> 03:56:43,136
who are finalizing the plans on their

5882
03:56:43,136 --> 03:56:45,136
new homes,

5883
03:56:46,139 --> 03:56:48,141
I would like for

5884
03:56:48,141 --> 03:56:49,142
there to be rules about lighting and

5885
03:56:49,142 --> 03:56:51,142
my

5886
03:56:51,144 --> 03:56:52,145
thinking on that is particularly in the

5887
03:56:52,145 --> 03:56:53,146
cases

5888
03:56:53,146 --> 03:56:55,148
where you have a brand-new to her

5889
03:56:55,148 --> 03:56:57,548
three-story home coming up

5890
03:56:58,151 --> 03:57:00,153
next to a house that might restore

5891
03:57:00,153 --> 03:57:03,753
their house because they were less

5892
03:57:04,124 --> 03:57:07,124
than 50% is now we have

5893
03:57:07,127 --> 03:57:09,127
potentially some lights

5894
03:57:10,130 --> 03:57:12,132
that are way up there

5895
03:57:12,132 --> 03:57:13,133
and if you put them up 30 feet high,

5896
03:57:13,133 --> 03:57:16,133
chances of them going into

5897
03:57:16,136 --> 03:57:18,136
the neighbor bedrooms

5898
03:57:19,139 --> 03:57:21,141
were there backyards is

5899
03:57:21,141 --> 03:57:23,143
extremely good. So I would really like

5900
03:57:23,143 --> 03:57:25,145
for us to work on what I'm calling

5901
03:57:25,145 --> 03:57:27,145
light pollution.

5902
03:57:28,148 --> 03:57:30,148
marlene used the

5903
03:57:31,151 --> 03:57:33,151
word wattage.

5904
03:57:37,124 --> 03:57:38,125
before she is to the

5905
03:57:38,125 --> 03:57:40,127
word wattage which might be the right

5906
03:57:40,127 --> 03:57:43,130
word to use, I had written down intensity.

5907
03:57:43,130 --> 03:57:44,131
>> that's illumination.

5908
03:57:44,131 --> 03:57:46,133
>> I am thinking along the same lines,

5909
03:57:46,133 --> 03:57:49,136
there needs to be limits as

5910
03:57:49,136 --> 03:57:53,336
to how bright the lights can be

5911
03:57:58,145 --> 03:57:59,146
I would be disappointed if we

5912
03:57:59,146 --> 03:58:01,148
came out with something that sounded

5913
03:58:01,148 --> 03:58:03,150
too much like hoa, I

5914
03:58:03,150 --> 03:58:04,151
would not like that I think the timing

5915
03:58:04,151 --> 03:58:06,151
is so

5916
03:58:06,153 --> 03:58:07,154
important with a number of homes that

5917
03:58:07,154 --> 03:58:10,123
are being built and restored

5918
03:58:10,123 --> 03:58:12,123
and all

5919
03:58:13,126 --> 03:58:15,128
of us need to realize many homes

5920
03:58:15,128 --> 03:58:16,129
would be very tall, but they could

5921
03:58:16,129 --> 03:58:18,129
literally be

5922
03:58:19,132 --> 03:58:22,132
looking over the shorter home

5923
03:58:22,135 --> 03:58:25,135
when I looked at it

5924
03:58:25,138 --> 03:58:28,138
the first thing under permitted

5925
03:58:28,141 --> 03:58:29,142
lighting

5926
03:58:29,142 --> 03:58:32,742
the fray should be aesthetically pleasing

5927
03:58:34,147 --> 03:58:37,147
is very vague and subjective.

5928
03:58:37,150 --> 03:58:39,550
okay is that him?

5929
03:58:40,153 --> 03:58:42,153
I

5930
03:58:43,123 --> 03:58:44,124
think the phrase is not good that

5931
03:58:44,124 --> 03:58:47,724
will cause more arguments than anything

5932
03:58:49,129 --> 03:58:51,129
I think the

5933
03:58:52,132 --> 03:58:54,532
section compatibility could be

5934
03:58:55,135 --> 03:58:57,135
very subjective

5935
03:58:58,138 --> 03:59:00,538
acknowledging most things are

5936
03:59:01,141 --> 03:59:04,144
fixtures, I thought that was good where

5937
03:59:04,144 --> 03:59:05,145
it says they shall not be directly

5938
03:59:05,145 --> 03:59:06,146
or

5939
03:59:06,146 --> 03:59:07,147
indirectly shining onto the adjacent

5940
03:59:07,147 --> 03:59:09,547
properties, fences and public

5941
03:59:10,150 --> 03:59:13,153
right of ways. Okay so I thought that

5942
03:59:13,153 --> 03:59:16,123
was good. I was saying,

5943
03:59:16,123 --> 03:59:18,125
you know I did not want it to

5944
03:59:18,125 --> 03:59:19,126
have the intensity of some of the streetlights

5945
03:59:19,126 --> 03:59:20,127
that we have, but in

5946
03:59:20,127 --> 03:59:22,129
gulfport a lot of streetlights are

5947
03:59:22,129 --> 03:59:24,129
not that intense

5948
03:59:25,132 --> 03:59:26,133
I did

5949
03:59:26,133 --> 03:59:28,135
not see anything in here that addresses

5950
03:59:28,135 --> 03:59:30,135
height restrictions

5951
03:59:31,138 --> 03:59:32,139
and if

5952
03:59:32,139 --> 03:59:33,140
you like there should be height restriction

5953
03:59:33,140 --> 03:59:34,141
because you know, the difference of

5954
03:59:34,141 --> 03:59:35,142
if you put

5955
03:59:35,142 --> 03:59:38,742
a motion detector on house versus

5956
03:59:39,146 --> 03:59:40,147
one-story versus two stories versus

5957
03:59:40,147 --> 03:59:42,147
a three-story

5958
03:59:43,150 --> 03:59:46,150
that will affect your neighbors

5959
03:59:46,153 --> 03:59:48,153
quite differently.

5960
03:59:49,122 --> 03:59:50,123
so I think a height restriction in

5961
03:59:50,123 --> 03:59:51,124
terms

5962
03:59:51,124 --> 03:59:52,125
of where you could have a motion detector

5963
03:59:52,125 --> 03:59:53,126
or spotlight should be considered

5964
03:59:53,126 --> 03:59:55,126
just because

5965
03:59:55,128 --> 03:59:58,128
you have a three-story house

5966
03:59:58,131 --> 03:59:59,132
does not mean you need to put a spotlight

5967
03:59:59,132 --> 04:00:00,133
on the

5968
04:00:00,133 --> 04:00:04,137
top story you can still put it on the

5969
04:00:04,137 --> 04:00:06,137
first story

5970
04:00:07,140 --> 04:00:08,141
gulfport you can

5971
04:00:08,141 --> 04:00:12,145
see some are being done the other way.

5972
04:00:12,145 --> 04:00:15,145
and then under prohibited lighting

5973
04:00:16,149 --> 04:00:18,549
b with any light

5974
04:00:19,152 --> 04:00:21,154
or bulb not within a light fixture.

5975
04:00:21,154 --> 04:00:25,125
so are we trying to say you cannot hang

5976
04:00:25,125 --> 04:00:28,128
the bare bulbs, are we getting that

5977
04:00:28,128 --> 04:00:29,129
specific? You cannot , it has to be

5978
04:00:29,129 --> 04:00:31,129
within

5979
04:00:31,131 --> 04:00:32,132
a globe?

5980
04:00:32,132 --> 04:00:34,132
>>

5981
04:00:34,134 --> 04:00:37,137
so, that is a perfect example.

5982
04:00:37,137 --> 04:00:40,140
what if somebody does not have

5983
04:00:40,140 --> 04:00:42,540
a fixture and they

5984
04:00:43,143 --> 04:00:44,144
just put in a lightbulb?

5985
04:00:44,144 --> 04:00:45,145
>> the hoa

5986
04:00:45,145 --> 04:00:46,146
would require it.

5987
04:00:46,146 --> 04:00:48,146
>> I don't know,

5988
04:00:49,149 --> 04:00:51,149
aesthetically pleasing

5989
04:00:52,152 --> 04:00:54,152
I

5990
04:00:55,122 --> 04:00:57,122
don't know,

5991
04:00:58,125 --> 04:01:01,128
I put it in for you to consider.

5992
04:01:01,128 --> 04:01:03,128
my recommendation

5993
04:01:04,131 --> 04:01:06,131
would be to

5994
04:01:06,133 --> 04:01:07,134
remove a lot of these positions to

5995
04:01:07,134 --> 04:01:10,134
get the main part in

5996
04:01:10,137 --> 04:01:12,137
would be

5997
04:01:12,139 --> 04:01:13,140
the compatibility and part of the

5998
04:01:13,140 --> 04:01:15,140
permitted lighting

5999
04:01:16,143 --> 04:01:18,145
so we have the

6000
04:01:18,145 --> 04:01:19,146
nuisance thing in place and then draft a

6001
04:01:19,146 --> 04:01:21,146
lighting ordinance

6002
04:01:21,148 --> 04:01:24,148
which would be more comprehensive

6003
04:01:24,151 --> 04:01:25,152
and it would talk about the issues

6004
04:01:25,152 --> 04:01:27,152
you

6005
04:01:28,155 --> 04:01:29,122
are talking about, but this is under

6006
04:01:29,122 --> 04:01:31,124
nuisance, I would like to

6007
04:01:31,124 --> 04:01:34,127
get the nuisance part in so the city

6008
04:01:34,127 --> 04:01:36,527
can enforce those things

6009
04:01:37,130 --> 04:01:39,130
>>

6010
04:01:40,133 --> 04:01:43,136
you can use the fixture to soften

6011
04:01:43,136 --> 04:01:45,136
the light

6012
04:01:49,142 --> 04:01:50,143
>> even a bare bulb if it is 60 w

6013
04:01:50,143 --> 04:01:52,143
nobody's going

6014
04:01:52,145 --> 04:01:53,146
to care even if it looks ugly being

6015
04:01:53,146 --> 04:01:55,146
outside

6016
04:01:55,148 --> 04:01:58,148
the fixture and then if

6017
04:01:58,151 --> 04:02:00,151
it is 400 w.

6018
04:02:01,154 --> 04:02:04,124
>> that would be more complaints of.

6019
04:02:04,124 --> 04:02:07,127
>> that goes back to what we

6020
04:02:07,127 --> 04:02:08,128
were saying intensity or wattage it

6021
04:02:08,128 --> 04:02:09,129
is not

6022
04:02:09,129 --> 04:02:10,130
the fact that there is a bare bulb

6023
04:02:10,130 --> 04:02:12,130
you know

6024
04:02:13,133 --> 04:02:15,133
.

6025
04:02:16,136 --> 04:02:19,136
it is how bright it

6026
04:02:19,139 --> 04:02:20,140
is. Okay.

6027
04:02:20,140 --> 04:02:22,142
>> the elimination the wattage

6028
04:02:22,142 --> 04:02:23,143
and height.

6029
04:02:23,143 --> 04:02:24,144
>> okay, I

6030
04:02:24,144 --> 04:02:25,145
like what you said the fact we could do

6031
04:02:25,145 --> 04:02:27,145
two steps,

6032
04:02:30,150 --> 04:02:31,151
one is a nuisance and then come back

6033
04:02:31,151 --> 04:02:33,153
with a lighting and in the lighting

6034
04:02:33,153 --> 04:02:35,155
address may be intensity and height

6035
04:02:35,155 --> 04:02:36,123
and maybe

6036
04:02:36,123 --> 04:02:38,125
not talk about it being subjective

6037
04:02:38,125 --> 04:02:40,125
>>

6038
04:02:41,128 --> 04:02:43,528
I would recommend we

6039
04:02:44,131 --> 04:02:46,131
move for

6040
04:02:47,134 --> 04:02:51,334
I would move for part of one

6041
04:02:53,140 --> 04:02:55,140
>> we

6042
04:02:55,142 --> 04:02:56,143
can leave them vacant. I will do it

6043
04:02:56,143 --> 04:02:57,144
so it is the

6044
04:02:57,144 --> 04:02:58,145
nuisance. I believe things that are

6045
04:02:58,145 --> 04:03:01,145
potentially shining into people those

6046
04:03:01,148 --> 04:03:02,149
kinds of things and then I will remove the

6047
04:03:02,149 --> 04:03:04,151
other things and bring

6048
04:03:04,151 --> 04:03:08,155
it back to you in the meantime we

6049
04:03:08,155 --> 04:03:11,124
can work on the lighting.

6050
04:03:11,124 --> 04:03:12,125
>>

6051
04:03:12,125 --> 04:03:14,127
we have enough consensus for you on that

6052
04:03:14,127 --> 04:03:17,127
one? All right city clerk.

6053
04:03:17,130 --> 04:03:19,130
>>

6054
04:03:26,139 --> 04:03:27,140
>> staff is

6055
04:03:27,140 --> 04:03:29,142
prepared to draft ordinance for the council

6056
04:03:29,142 --> 04:03:31,142
to review

6057
04:03:31,144 --> 04:03:32,145
, should be given to staff with accounts would

6058
04:03:32,145 --> 04:03:33,146
like to

6059
04:03:33,146 --> 04:03:34,147
see changes made before bringing item

6060
04:03:34,147 --> 04:03:38,151
to future agenda for roll call vote.

6061
04:03:38,151 --> 04:03:40,151
>> I

6062
04:03:41,154 --> 04:03:42,122
would like to table this, not because

6063
04:03:42,122 --> 04:03:45,125
I don't want to see us do something

6064
04:03:45,125 --> 04:03:47,127
about this I think we need to do something

6065
04:03:47,127 --> 04:03:48,128
about this this is extremely hot

6066
04:03:48,128 --> 04:03:50,130
topic at the state level right now

6067
04:03:50,130 --> 04:03:52,130
and whatever the

6068
04:03:53,133 --> 04:03:54,134
state decides to do would

6069
04:03:54,134 --> 04:03:57,734
end up preempting anything we did

6070
04:03:58,138 --> 04:04:01,141
I think again we should I am not trying

6071
04:04:01,141 --> 04:04:05,145
to take away from the importance of this

6072
04:04:05,145 --> 04:04:07,147
it is potentially the

6073
04:04:07,147 --> 04:04:08,148
number two issue at the state level

6074
04:04:08,148 --> 04:04:10,148
right now in

6075
04:04:11,151 --> 04:04:14,154
terms of in terms of the legislative session

6076
04:04:14,154 --> 04:04:17,754
and what they want to pass

6077
04:04:23,130 --> 04:04:24,131
>> I agree with that and

6078
04:04:24,131 --> 04:04:26,133
we had about bicycle tricycle rollerskates

6079
04:04:26,133 --> 04:04:28,533
or other conveyance of

6080
04:04:29,136 --> 04:04:30,137
any kind

6081
04:04:30,137 --> 04:04:32,139
in an area in a park where the same

6082
04:04:32,139 --> 04:04:34,141
is designated as prohibited.

6083
04:04:34,141 --> 04:04:35,142
if it is designated as prohibited

6084
04:04:35,142 --> 04:04:37,144
you don't need to have

6085
04:04:37,144 --> 04:04:38,145
it in here and it is a whole separate

6086
04:04:38,145 --> 04:04:39,146
thing from electronic

6087
04:04:39,146 --> 04:04:42,746
bikes because they are not electric.

6088
04:04:44,151 --> 04:04:47,151
>> that is the point of

6089
04:04:47,154 --> 04:04:50,123
the mayor. It is how they are using

6090
04:04:50,123 --> 04:04:52,123
it because

6091
04:04:52,125 --> 04:04:53,126
--

6092
04:04:53,126 --> 04:04:54,127
>> this or not electric bicycles

6093
04:04:54,127 --> 04:04:55,128
tricycle skateboards rollerskates

6094
04:04:55,128 --> 04:04:56,129
or

6095
04:04:56,129 --> 04:04:57,130
any other conveyance and you talk

6096
04:04:57,130 --> 04:04:59,132
about electrical things in the

6097
04:04:59,132 --> 04:05:01,132
first sentence , but

6098
04:05:02,135 --> 04:05:03,136
these are not electric things.

6099
04:05:03,136 --> 04:05:04,137
>>

6100
04:05:04,137 --> 04:05:05,138
understand,

6101
04:05:05,138 --> 04:05:06,139
that's where you prohibit them.

6102
04:05:06,139 --> 04:05:07,140
>>

6103
04:05:07,140 --> 04:05:09,140
if it says

6104
04:05:09,142 --> 04:05:11,144
prohibited you don't need it in here

6105
04:05:11,144 --> 04:05:12,145
that would be my thought I would keep ebike's separate

6106
04:05:12,145 --> 04:05:14,145
myself.

6107
04:05:14,147 --> 04:05:16,547
tabling it is fine.

6108
04:05:17,150 --> 04:05:20,150
>> I am not saying no,

6109
04:05:20,153 --> 04:05:21,154
not saying not tonight, let's see

6110
04:05:21,154 --> 04:05:23,123
what

6111
04:05:23,123 --> 04:05:24,124
happens and

6112
04:05:24,124 --> 04:05:26,126
I am always in favor of safety first.

6113
04:05:26,126 --> 04:05:28,526
no doubt about that.

6114
04:05:29,129 --> 04:05:31,529
so we will move

6115
04:05:32,132 --> 04:05:34,132
on then

6116
04:05:35,135 --> 04:05:36,136
to nine c.

6117
04:05:36,136 --> 04:05:38,136
>>

6118
04:05:38,138 --> 04:05:40,138
inclusive or inclusivity

6119
04:05:41,141 --> 04:05:43,141
ordinance staff

6120
04:05:44,144 --> 04:05:45,145
is preparing resolution for city council to

6121
04:05:45,145 --> 04:05:47,145
review

6122
04:05:47,147 --> 04:05:48,148
directions on whether council would

6123
04:05:48,148 --> 04:05:49,149
like to see

6124
04:05:49,149 --> 04:05:50,150
changes made before bringing the item

6125
04:05:50,150 --> 04:05:53,150
to future agenda for roll

6126
04:05:53,153 --> 04:05:54,154
call vote.

6127
04:05:54,154 --> 04:05:56,154
>> okay.

6128
04:05:59,126 --> 04:06:02,126
so the issue on this

6129
04:06:02,129 --> 04:06:04,131
and I know this is a

6130
04:06:04,131 --> 04:06:05,132
divisive issue what I got from the

6131
04:06:05,132 --> 04:06:07,132
majority of council

6132
04:06:08,135 --> 04:06:10,137
at the meeting and

6133
04:06:10,137 --> 04:06:11,138
I know we went back and forth on it

6134
04:06:11,138 --> 04:06:13,138
was to address

6135
04:06:14,141 --> 04:06:16,141
that the city

6136
04:06:17,144 --> 04:06:19,544
is maintaining its status

6137
04:06:20,147 --> 04:06:22,147
on civil rights

6138
04:06:23,150 --> 04:06:25,150
on individual rights,

6139
04:06:26,153 --> 04:06:29,122
on nondiscrimination. And then reiterating that.

6140
04:06:29,122 --> 04:06:31,124
the issue you really need to

6141
04:06:31,124 --> 04:06:35,128
discuss is if you want to make any changes

6142
04:06:35,128 --> 04:06:38,131
to the areas brought up which is

6143
04:06:38,131 --> 04:06:39,132
specific

6144
04:06:39,132 --> 04:06:41,134
apology, I did not get a majority

6145
04:06:41,134 --> 04:06:43,134
on that. So

6146
04:06:44,137 --> 04:06:47,140
the way I wrote it is

6147
04:06:47,140 --> 04:06:50,140
reaffirming city position on all-inclusive

6148
04:06:50,143 --> 04:06:52,143
aspects, protecting and

6149
04:06:53,146 --> 04:06:56,149
promoting civil and human rights regarding

6150
04:06:56,149 --> 04:06:58,149
the city

6151
04:06:59,152 --> 04:07:02,155
if you want to do as I said

6152
04:07:02,155 --> 04:07:03,123
the vice mayor and I talked about this,

6153
04:07:03,123 --> 04:07:04,124
we

6154
04:07:04,124 --> 04:07:05,125
texted each other on this. A question

6155
04:07:05,125 --> 04:07:08,125
of if they want to

6156
04:07:08,128 --> 04:07:11,131
have specific policy included I need to have

6157
04:07:11,131 --> 04:07:13,131
direction on it.

6158
04:07:14,134 --> 04:07:16,136
>> okay so again this is discussion

6159
04:07:16,136 --> 04:07:17,137
where we try to give directive to the

6160
04:07:17,137 --> 04:07:19,137
attorney, so we

6161
04:07:20,140 --> 04:07:23,143
will speak in speaking order for you

6162
04:07:23,143 --> 04:07:24,144
to share your thoughts.

6163
04:07:24,144 --> 04:07:25,145
>> I think

6164
04:07:25,145 --> 04:07:26,146
the all-inclusive

6165
04:07:26,146 --> 04:07:29,149
city looks good and I'm also okay

6166
04:07:29,149 --> 04:07:31,549
with adding an apology.

6167
04:07:35,155 --> 04:07:37,124
>> I couldn't hear your.

6168
04:07:37,124 --> 04:07:38,125
>> I am okay with what has been written here and

6169
04:07:38,125 --> 04:07:40,127
I'm okay with adding

6170
04:07:40,127 --> 04:07:41,128
an apology. We have nothing to lose

6171
04:07:41,128 --> 04:07:43,528
to add the apology.

6172
04:07:44,131 --> 04:07:45,132
>> I think it is very well written

6173
04:07:45,132 --> 04:07:47,132
almost like

6174
04:07:47,134 --> 04:07:49,534
symbolic legislation. It is

6175
04:07:50,137 --> 04:07:52,137
a gesture

6176
04:07:53,140 --> 04:07:56,143
. I'm not sure that's enough, but

6177
04:07:56,143 --> 04:07:59,143
I hope that it is.

6178
04:07:59,146 --> 04:08:02,146
>> s have a problem hearing.

6179
04:08:02,149 --> 04:08:03,150
>> this feels like a symbolic gesture

6180
04:08:03,150 --> 04:08:05,150
which

6181
04:08:05,152 --> 04:08:08,155
is not a bad thing, I think we are just

6182
04:08:08,155 --> 04:08:11,124
coming out to say we want to

6183
04:08:11,124 --> 04:08:13,124
be clear.

6184
04:08:13,126 --> 04:08:14,127
we want to be clear, all-inclusive

6185
04:08:14,127 --> 04:08:17,130
city. That's what we are doing.

6186
04:08:17,130 --> 04:08:20,130
I am good with it.

6187
04:08:20,133 --> 04:08:23,136
>> you are good with the way it

6188
04:08:23,136 --> 04:08:24,137
is written?

6189
04:08:24,137 --> 04:08:26,139
>> I am good with the

6190
04:08:26,139 --> 04:08:27,140
way it is written.

6191
04:08:27,140 --> 04:08:28,141
>> to me this is

6192
04:08:28,141 --> 04:08:29,142
missing

6193
04:08:29,142 --> 04:08:30,143
the point, I think we need to acknowledge

6194
04:08:30,143 --> 04:08:32,143
we

6195
04:08:32,145 --> 04:08:33,146
were sun down city and say we regret

6196
04:08:33,146 --> 04:08:35,146
people

6197
04:08:35,148 --> 04:08:36,149
had to go through that, now we are

6198
04:08:36,149 --> 04:08:38,549
all-inclusive city , that happened

6199
04:08:39,152 --> 04:08:41,154
in the past and we are sorry

6200
04:08:41,154 --> 04:08:42,155
about that or just say we regret but

6201
04:08:42,155 --> 04:08:44,155
to acknowledge

6202
04:08:45,125 --> 04:08:47,127
we were sun down city now we

6203
04:08:47,127 --> 04:08:51,131
are not and we're going in a different

6204
04:08:51,131 --> 04:08:53,131
letter direction.

6205
04:08:57,137 --> 04:08:59,137
>>

6206
04:09:00,140 --> 04:09:03,140
all right. So, I really

6207
04:09:03,143 --> 04:09:05,143
appreciated what you

6208
04:09:06,146 --> 04:09:09,146
wrote and it really appreciated

6209
04:09:09,149 --> 04:09:11,151
the whereas four, five and six

6210
04:09:11,151 --> 04:09:12,152
and I put them in order that way. The

6211
04:09:12,152 --> 04:09:14,152
sections

6212
04:09:15,155 --> 04:09:17,555
that declare firm commitment

6213
04:09:18,125 --> 04:09:19,126
to uphold and enforce but

6214
04:09:19,126 --> 04:09:21,128
there is no mention of acknowledgment

6215
04:09:21,128 --> 04:09:23,128
of any history.

6216
04:09:23,130 --> 04:09:24,131
acknowledging injustices of the past

6217
04:09:24,131 --> 04:09:26,131
or something

6218
04:09:27,134 --> 04:09:29,136
like that, but the human

6219
04:09:29,136 --> 04:09:31,536
rights ordinance defined discrimination

6220
04:09:33,140 --> 04:09:34,141
,

6221
04:09:34,141 --> 04:09:36,143
addresses protections, freedom policy equal

6222
04:09:36,143 --> 04:09:37,144
opportunity

6223
04:09:37,144 --> 04:09:39,146
other definitions and remedies but the

6224
04:09:39,146 --> 04:09:42,146
resolution has a very different

6225
04:09:42,149 --> 04:09:44,149
tone and

6226
04:09:45,152 --> 04:09:48,152
and so the resolution reaffirms

6227
04:09:48,155 --> 04:09:50,555
that discrimination harassment exclusion

6228
04:09:51,124 --> 04:09:53,126
is contrary to the values of the community

6229
04:09:53,126 --> 04:09:54,127
enters all are welcome and respected

6230
04:09:54,127 --> 04:09:55,128
and

6231
04:09:55,128 --> 04:09:57,130
able to participate the commitment

6232
04:09:57,130 --> 04:09:59,530
to uphold as mentioned

6233
04:10:00,133 --> 04:10:01,134
serving as a statement of

6234
04:10:01,134 --> 04:10:04,134
city values and guiding principles

6235
04:10:05,138 --> 04:10:06,139
for decision-making, policy and public

6236
04:10:06,139 --> 04:10:08,141
service which I thought was excellent.

6237
04:10:08,141 --> 04:10:09,142
there is no specific acknowledgment

6238
04:10:09,142 --> 04:10:10,143
of history which may be

6239
04:10:10,143 --> 04:10:12,145
uncomfortable to some but important

6240
04:10:12,145 --> 04:10:14,145
to others.

6241
04:10:15,148 --> 04:10:16,149
so I drafted a

6242
04:10:16,149 --> 04:10:18,151
couple of different suggestions and

6243
04:10:18,151 --> 04:10:20,151
I

6244
04:10:21,154 --> 04:10:22,155
will read both if you wish the

6245
04:10:22,155 --> 04:10:24,124
first is recognizing the importance

6246
04:10:24,124 --> 04:10:26,124
of acknowledging history

6247
04:10:26,126 --> 04:10:27,127
including moments when discrimination

6248
04:10:27,127 --> 04:10:29,127
or

6249
04:10:29,129 --> 04:10:31,131
exclusion occurs as an essential step

6250
04:10:31,131 --> 04:10:33,133
strengthening trust, healing and building

6251
04:10:33,133 --> 04:10:35,133
a more

6252
04:10:36,136 --> 04:10:38,138
just and welcoming community.

6253
04:10:38,138 --> 04:10:39,139
and if everybody likes that I won't

6254
04:10:39,139 --> 04:10:41,139
even read

6255
04:10:42,142 --> 04:10:43,143
the second.

6256
04:10:43,143 --> 04:10:45,143
>> just so

6257
04:10:45,145 --> 04:10:48,148
I know is that whereas or

6258
04:10:48,148 --> 04:10:49,149
?

6259
04:10:49,149 --> 04:10:51,151
>> I believe that to the

6260
04:10:51,151 --> 04:10:53,151
legal expertise.

6261
04:10:53,153 --> 04:10:54,154
the second is a firm's importance

6262
04:10:54,154 --> 04:10:55,155
of understanding and learning from

6263
04:10:55,155 --> 04:10:57,124
community history as we recommend

6264
04:10:57,124 --> 04:10:59,124
and recommit ourselves

6265
04:10:59,126 --> 04:11:00,127
to the values of inclusion, dignity

6266
04:11:00,127 --> 04:11:02,127
and equal participation.

6267
04:11:03,130 --> 04:11:05,530
>> I like the first

6268
04:11:06,133 --> 04:11:09,136
one. It says more about history.

6269
04:11:09,136 --> 04:11:10,137
that we were just.

6270
04:11:10,137 --> 04:11:12,137
>> first

6271
04:11:12,139 --> 04:11:13,140
or second.

6272
04:11:13,140 --> 04:11:15,140
>> read

6273
04:11:15,142 --> 04:11:17,142
the second, again.

6274
04:11:17,144 --> 04:11:18,145
>> I don't want to water it down because

6275
04:11:18,145 --> 04:11:20,145
I want us

6276
04:11:20,147 --> 04:11:21,148
to be very clear that we are recognizing

6277
04:11:21,148 --> 04:11:23,150
our history and we are

6278
04:11:23,150 --> 04:11:26,150
acknowledging that. Affirms the importance

6279
04:11:26,153 --> 04:11:27,154
of understanding and learning from

6280
04:11:27,154 --> 04:11:29,154
community history

6281
04:11:30,123 --> 04:11:32,125
as we recommit ourselves

6282
04:11:32,125 --> 04:11:36,129
of the values of inclusion dignity and

6283
04:11:36,129 --> 04:11:39,129
equal participation for all. Recognizes

6284
04:11:39,132 --> 04:11:41,134
the importance of acknowledging

6285
04:11:41,134 --> 04:11:42,135
history, including moments when discrimination

6286
04:11:42,135 --> 04:11:44,135
or

6287
04:11:45,138 --> 04:11:48,141
exclusion occurred as an essential step

6288
04:11:48,141 --> 04:11:49,142
in strengthening,

6289
04:11:49,142 --> 04:11:51,144
trust, healing and building a more

6290
04:11:51,144 --> 04:11:52,145
just and welcoming community. That kind

6291
04:11:52,145 --> 04:11:53,146
of

6292
04:11:53,146 --> 04:11:54,147
fits with what I was saying in the

6293
04:11:54,147 --> 04:11:56,147
previous meeting

6294
04:11:57,150 --> 04:12:00,153
so I do favor that one,

6295
04:12:00,153 --> 04:12:02,553
but I mean I

6296
04:12:03,123 --> 04:12:06,123
don't want to fight anybody

6297
04:12:06,126 --> 04:12:07,127
on it.

6298
04:12:07,127 --> 04:12:08,128
>> they are both really

6299
04:12:08,128 --> 04:12:09,129
well written.

6300
04:12:09,129 --> 04:12:10,130
>> reading them both

6301
04:12:10,130 --> 04:12:12,130
twice again

6302
04:12:12,132 --> 04:12:15,135
I feel they are almost the

6303
04:12:15,135 --> 04:12:16,136
same.

6304
04:12:16,136 --> 04:12:18,136
>> I like one

6305
04:12:18,138 --> 04:12:21,138
better because it actually says

6306
04:12:21,141 --> 04:12:23,141
, for behavior

6307
04:12:24,144 --> 04:12:26,144
of the

6308
04:12:26,146 --> 04:12:27,147
past. Okay? Acknowledging the behavior

6309
04:12:27,147 --> 04:12:29,147
and there

6310
04:12:30,150 --> 04:12:33,150
was another word in there.

6311
04:12:33,153 --> 04:12:36,123
>> one was more direct you

6312
04:12:36,123 --> 04:12:39,123
know apologizing and reaffirming those

6313
04:12:39,126 --> 04:12:42,129
things occurred , but you have moved

6314
04:12:42,129 --> 04:12:44,529
forward that is what

6315
04:12:45,132 --> 04:12:46,133
one of them sounded like.

6316
04:12:46,133 --> 04:12:47,134
>> recognizing

6317
04:12:47,134 --> 04:12:48,135
importance

6318
04:12:48,135 --> 04:12:50,137
of acknowledging our history including

6319
04:12:50,137 --> 04:12:52,537
moments when discrimination occurred

6320
04:12:53,140 --> 04:12:54,141
as an essential step strengthening

6321
04:12:54,141 --> 04:12:56,141
trust, healing

6322
04:12:57,144 --> 04:13:00,147
and building a more just and welcoming community.

6323
04:13:00,147 --> 04:13:02,149
>> I really like that

6324
04:13:02,149 --> 04:13:06,153
one best and it goes alongside with what

6325
04:13:06,153 --> 04:13:08,553
councilmember earley said , that

6326
04:13:09,156 --> 04:13:13,356
I feel like we have done this

6327
04:13:14,127 --> 04:13:15,128
with the ordinance from 20 years ago, but that

6328
04:13:15,128 --> 04:13:17,128
was

6329
04:13:18,131 --> 04:13:19,132
a different council that did that

6330
04:13:19,132 --> 04:13:20,133
so if there

6331
04:13:20,133 --> 04:13:21,134
would be any doubt about the position

6332
04:13:21,134 --> 04:13:24,137
of the city and this council this

6333
04:13:24,137 --> 04:13:26,137
is helping to

6334
04:13:27,140 --> 04:13:30,143
wait for that. To me it

6335
04:13:30,143 --> 04:13:33,146
does not apologize for being a sun

6336
04:13:33,146 --> 04:13:35,146
down city

6337
04:13:35,148 --> 04:13:36,149
it does apologize for the discrimination

6338
04:13:36,149 --> 04:13:38,549
in the history of

6339
04:13:39,152 --> 04:13:42,155
some that were in the city.

6340
04:13:42,155 --> 04:13:43,123
so for me as I

6341
04:13:43,123 --> 04:13:45,125
said before I see that as separate

6342
04:13:45,125 --> 04:13:48,128
things, the behavior of the residents

6343
04:13:48,128 --> 04:13:50,130
versus the behavior of the city

6344
04:13:50,130 --> 04:13:51,131
are not necessarily one in the same.

6345
04:13:51,131 --> 04:13:53,131
>> people might

6346
04:13:54,134 --> 04:13:56,134
interpret differently, but

6347
04:13:57,137 --> 04:14:00,137
however it speaks to people

6348
04:14:00,140 --> 04:14:02,140
and creates healing

6349
04:14:03,143 --> 04:14:06,146
and states clearly we are moving forward

6350
04:14:06,146 --> 04:14:08,146
in language

6351
04:14:08,148 --> 04:14:11,748
the attorney already composed into it

6352
04:14:12,152 --> 04:14:15,152
is even in policy, and

6353
04:14:15,155 --> 04:14:16,123
decision-making

6354
04:14:16,123 --> 04:14:18,125
processes how important that is. That's

6355
04:14:18,125 --> 04:14:21,128
why I asked for a copy

6356
04:14:21,128 --> 04:14:22,129
of what you read about the human rights

6357
04:14:22,129 --> 04:14:24,129
ordinance in

6358
04:14:24,131 --> 04:14:27,134
the last meeting because I really cents

6359
04:14:27,134 --> 04:14:30,137
there was a different tone and a

6360
04:14:30,137 --> 04:14:33,137
missing component and especially after

6361
04:14:33,140 --> 04:14:35,140
rereading it

6362
04:14:36,143 --> 04:14:38,143
and what

6363
04:14:38,145 --> 04:14:39,146
we were trying to accomplish I was

6364
04:14:39,146 --> 04:14:40,147
thoroughly convinced we needed a different tone and

6365
04:14:40,147 --> 04:14:42,147
to be

6366
04:14:42,149 --> 04:14:45,152
more specific and that is what

6367
04:14:45,152 --> 04:14:46,153
I spoke with last time and started

6368
04:14:46,153 --> 04:14:48,153
with healing the

6369
04:14:48,155 --> 04:14:50,123
last time as well so that's

6370
04:14:50,123 --> 04:14:51,124
why I think it is important to include

6371
04:14:51,124 --> 04:14:52,125
that.

6372
04:14:52,125 --> 04:14:54,125
>> give that to

6373
04:14:54,127 --> 04:14:55,128
me or send it?

6374
04:14:55,128 --> 04:14:56,129
>> you don't want my

6375
04:14:56,129 --> 04:14:57,130
scribble notes because I wrote all

6376
04:14:57,130 --> 04:14:59,130
over it.

6377
04:15:00,133 --> 04:15:02,133
>> you came up

6378
04:15:02,135 --> 04:15:04,137
with some really good words we could

6379
04:15:04,137 --> 04:15:06,137
agree on.

6380
04:15:07,140 --> 04:15:09,142
>> I really hope this is

6381
04:15:09,142 --> 04:15:12,742
a point that people understand, we

6382
04:15:13,146 --> 04:15:15,146
are acknowledging

6383
04:15:16,149 --> 04:15:17,150
history,

6384
04:15:17,150 --> 04:15:18,151
however anyone chooses to interpret

6385
04:15:18,151 --> 04:15:22,155
I have my interpretation and you may

6386
04:15:22,155 --> 04:15:25,125
have another, but you know

6387
04:15:25,125 --> 04:15:27,125
I acknowledge

6388
04:15:28,128 --> 04:15:29,129
what I believe

6389
04:15:29,129 --> 04:15:31,131
to have happened here. I was not here,

6390
04:15:31,131 --> 04:15:33,531
but from what I

6391
04:15:34,134 --> 04:15:36,134
have heard,

6392
04:15:37,137 --> 04:15:38,138
I understand

6393
04:15:38,138 --> 04:15:40,140
so that's what I'm trying to convey personally.

6394
04:15:40,140 --> 04:15:43,140
I am also trying to

6395
04:15:43,143 --> 04:15:44,144
speak for everybody.

6396
04:15:44,144 --> 04:15:46,144
>>

6397
04:15:48,148 --> 04:15:51,748
I have my direction unless there's

6398
04:15:52,152 --> 04:15:54,152
something more.

6399
04:15:54,154 --> 04:15:55,155
>> turning to you to say do you have

6400
04:15:55,155 --> 04:15:56,123
direction?

6401
04:15:56,123 --> 04:15:57,124
>>

6402
04:15:57,124 --> 04:15:58,125
I do.

6403
04:15:58,125 --> 04:15:59,126
>> very good. That will then

6404
04:15:59,126 --> 04:16:01,126
take us

6405
04:16:01,128 --> 04:16:04,128
to my discussion. My goodness.

6406
04:16:04,131 --> 04:16:07,131
I just want to go

6407
04:16:07,134 --> 04:16:09,534
to sleep. Okay. So,

6408
04:16:10,137 --> 04:16:12,137
my discussion is

6409
04:16:13,140 --> 04:16:14,141
really not a discussion and it is

6410
04:16:14,141 --> 04:16:16,143
not fair it says considerations for

6411
04:16:16,143 --> 04:16:18,143
downtown area

6412
04:16:19,146 --> 04:16:21,148
and that cannot be blamed on

6413
04:16:21,148 --> 04:16:22,149
the city clerk. I did not define for

6414
04:16:22,149 --> 04:16:24,151
her what I wanted

6415
04:16:24,151 --> 04:16:25,152
to do and I kind of wanted to build

6416
04:16:25,152 --> 04:16:26,153
a

6417
04:16:26,153 --> 04:16:28,155
nice overview of the things I have been

6418
04:16:28,155 --> 04:16:30,555
hearing over the years

6419
04:16:31,124 --> 04:16:34,124
and the consistency and lack

6420
04:16:34,127 --> 04:16:36,127
of consistency

6421
04:16:37,130 --> 04:16:38,131
and how

6422
04:16:38,131 --> 04:16:39,132
we are sometimes all over the board

6423
04:16:39,132 --> 04:16:40,133
but there is general consensus so

6424
04:16:40,133 --> 04:16:42,135
that's because what I

6425
04:16:42,135 --> 04:16:43,136
want to do and I knew it was going

6426
04:16:43,136 --> 04:16:45,136
to be late,

6427
04:16:46,139 --> 04:16:47,140
I did not know this late but

6428
04:16:47,140 --> 04:16:49,142
I did write out some things so I am

6429
04:16:49,142 --> 04:16:50,143
going to read even though you know

6430
04:16:50,143 --> 04:16:52,145
I don't usually like to read, I like

6431
04:16:52,145 --> 04:16:54,147
to talk from my heart more so,

6432
04:16:54,147 --> 04:16:57,150
but when I get tired it gets more difficult.

6433
04:16:57,150 --> 04:17:01,154
these are the things that I wrote down.

6434
04:17:01,154 --> 04:17:03,123
a few years

6435
04:17:03,123 --> 04:17:04,124
ago, the residents of gulfport conducted

6436
04:17:04,124 --> 04:17:06,124
a

6437
04:17:07,127 --> 04:17:10,130
series of meetings to engage and brainstorm

6438
04:17:10,130 --> 04:17:12,530
regarding gulfport , this was

6439
04:17:13,133 --> 04:17:15,133
an initiative of

6440
04:17:16,136 --> 04:17:19,136
mayor love, led by resident

6441
04:17:21,141 --> 04:17:22,142
ingrid, the goal is for neighbors

6442
04:17:22,142 --> 04:17:24,142
to discuss concerns

6443
04:17:24,144 --> 04:17:27,744
and want in a nonthreatening way.

6444
04:17:28,148 --> 04:17:29,149
I did not attend all

6445
04:17:29,149 --> 04:17:31,151
the meetings I was present for one and

6446
04:17:31,151 --> 04:17:33,153
a half of them and I

6447
04:17:33,153 --> 04:17:34,154
read the summary of meetings. Others may

6448
04:17:34,154 --> 04:17:36,154
have heard

6449
04:17:37,124 --> 04:17:40,124
differently, but I saw the

6450
04:17:40,127 --> 04:17:42,127
biggest consensus

6451
04:17:43,130 --> 04:17:45,130
of these meetings,

6452
04:17:45,132 --> 04:17:46,133
let's see, others may have heard different way

6453
04:17:46,133 --> 04:17:48,135
but I saw the

6454
04:17:48,135 --> 04:17:49,136
biggest consensus of these meetings

6455
04:17:49,136 --> 04:17:51,536
around two issues. One,

6456
04:17:52,139 --> 04:17:54,141
the need for affordable housing

6457
04:17:54,141 --> 04:17:55,142
and that kind of included discussion

6458
04:17:55,142 --> 04:17:57,142
of rent

6459
04:17:57,144 --> 04:18:00,144
control and homelessness. Okay? Two,

6460
04:18:01,148 --> 04:18:03,148
environmental issues

6461
04:18:03,150 --> 04:18:04,151
and that conversation evolved around

6462
04:18:04,151 --> 04:18:06,151
rising sea level

6463
04:18:07,154 --> 04:18:08,155
, climate change, alternative modes

6464
04:18:08,155 --> 04:18:10,123
of transportation

6465
04:18:10,123 --> 04:18:12,523
and increased walk ability

6466
04:18:13,126 --> 04:18:16,129
so I am including that into

6467
04:18:16,129 --> 04:18:18,129
environmental issues.

6468
04:18:18,131 --> 04:18:19,132
there was not a lot of problem-solving at

6469
04:18:19,132 --> 04:18:21,132
these meetings, but

6470
04:18:21,134 --> 04:18:25,138
rather, a lot of identifying problems. Okay?

6471
04:18:25,138 --> 04:18:27,138
next section.

6472
04:18:27,140 --> 04:18:30,143
last year I led a meeting called gulfport 2050.

6473
04:18:30,143 --> 04:18:31,144
goal was for the residents to acknowledge

6474
04:18:31,144 --> 04:18:33,144
change was coming

6475
04:18:34,147 --> 04:18:36,149
and how could they

6476
04:18:36,149 --> 04:18:37,150
or how they would like gulfport to

6477
04:18:37,150 --> 04:18:39,150
look

6478
04:18:40,153 --> 04:18:43,123
and feel in 2050, the premise

6479
04:18:43,123 --> 04:18:44,124
was that in order to accomplish the

6480
04:18:44,124 --> 04:18:46,124
20/50

6481
04:18:46,126 --> 04:18:48,526
vision, we needed to

6482
04:18:49,129 --> 04:18:52,132
break it down where we would be

6483
04:18:52,132 --> 04:18:54,132
in 2030 and 2040

6484
04:18:54,134 --> 04:18:55,135
hard to believe you are only four

6485
04:18:55,135 --> 04:18:57,135
years away from 2030.

6486
04:18:57,137 --> 04:18:58,138
I found the thoughts to be all over

6487
04:18:58,138 --> 04:19:00,138
the board

6488
04:19:00,140 --> 04:19:04,144
and many of them were very shortsighted

6489
04:19:04,144 --> 04:19:06,146
and they did not get 20/50

6490
04:19:06,146 --> 04:19:07,147
let's talk about what 2050 looks like,

6491
04:19:07,147 --> 04:19:09,147
it was

6492
04:19:10,150 --> 04:19:12,150
very shortsighted

6493
04:19:13,153 --> 04:19:15,155
in most cases. The biggest

6494
04:19:15,155 --> 04:19:16,156
consensus I received was the need to

6495
04:19:16,156 --> 04:19:19,126
strengthen and harden the city against

6496
04:19:19,126 --> 04:19:20,127
rising waters. Create more parking

6497
04:19:20,127 --> 04:19:22,127
to

6498
04:19:22,129 --> 04:19:24,529
businesses, especially handicap while

6499
04:19:25,132 --> 04:19:27,134
being more bike and pedestrian

6500
04:19:27,134 --> 04:19:28,135
friendly. Interesting enough there

6501
04:19:28,135 --> 04:19:30,135
was more talk

6502
04:19:31,138 --> 04:19:33,138
of resiliency

6503
04:19:33,140 --> 04:19:34,141
at gulfport on the edge then there

6504
04:19:34,141 --> 04:19:36,141
was gulfport 2050, looking

6505
04:19:37,144 --> 04:19:40,147
at this for a couple of reasons.

6506
04:19:40,147 --> 04:19:42,149
number one, I believe

6507
04:19:42,149 --> 04:19:43,150
the residents should be heard and

6508
04:19:43,150 --> 04:19:45,150
voices matter

6509
04:19:46,153 --> 04:19:48,155
and if they took the time

6510
04:19:48,155 --> 04:19:49,156
to attend these meetings and speak

6511
04:19:49,156 --> 04:19:51,124
up we need to

6512
04:19:51,124 --> 04:19:52,125
revisit this periodically. It's not

6513
04:19:52,125 --> 04:19:54,125
like you

6514
04:19:55,128 --> 04:19:57,528
go to the meeting

6515
04:19:58,131 --> 04:20:00,133
and it does not go anywhere, I

6516
04:20:00,133 --> 04:20:01,134
want to keep using the information.

6517
04:20:01,134 --> 04:20:04,137
and I believe the council must

6518
04:20:04,137 --> 04:20:06,137
provide direction

6519
04:20:06,139 --> 04:20:07,140
for the long-term future, not just for

6520
04:20:07,140 --> 04:20:09,140
today's problems. I

6521
04:20:10,143 --> 04:20:12,143
do believe

6522
04:20:13,146 --> 04:20:15,148
the roll of the council

6523
04:20:15,148 --> 04:20:16,149
is to plan for future. Just as I said.

6524
04:20:16,149 --> 04:20:18,149
I believe if

6525
04:20:18,151 --> 04:20:19,152
we concentrate on the area where the

6526
04:20:19,152 --> 04:20:21,152
most consensus

6527
04:20:22,155 --> 04:20:25,125
we will be working a good roadmap.

6528
04:20:25,125 --> 04:20:27,125
I believe

6529
04:20:27,127 --> 04:20:30,127
this council has clearly communicated

6530
04:20:30,130 --> 04:20:33,130
long-term commitment to stormwater fixes

6531
04:20:33,133 --> 04:20:34,134
and strengthening of shorelines against

6532
04:20:34,134 --> 04:20:36,134
rising water.

6533
04:20:37,137 --> 04:20:38,138
I said it in that order intentionally

6534
04:20:38,138 --> 04:20:40,138
because

6535
04:20:40,140 --> 04:20:43,140
the watershed study clearly shows

6536
04:20:43,143 --> 04:20:47,147
the city has more flooding due to

6537
04:20:47,147 --> 04:20:50,147
over land stormwater than tied.

6538
04:20:50,150 --> 04:20:52,152
which I found surprising

6539
04:20:52,152 --> 04:20:53,153
I was very surprised by that. I believe you're

6540
04:20:53,153 --> 04:20:54,154
ready

6541
04:20:54,154 --> 04:20:56,156
to have serious conversations about

6542
04:20:56,156 --> 04:20:58,156
a.d. You

6543
04:20:59,126 --> 04:21:00,127
which could add some

6544
04:21:00,127 --> 04:21:02,129
affordable housing. I think we're close

6545
04:21:02,129 --> 04:21:04,129
on that.

6546
04:21:05,132 --> 04:21:07,132
it is 2026

6547
04:21:08,135 --> 04:21:10,135
it

6548
04:21:10,137 --> 04:21:11,138
is a new year and we have a lot before us

6549
04:21:11,138 --> 04:21:12,139
as we try

6550
04:21:12,139 --> 04:21:14,141
to complete recovery complain new

6551
04:21:14,141 --> 04:21:16,541
daily services advanced senior

6552
04:21:17,144 --> 04:21:20,144
center expansion and create the

6553
04:21:20,147 --> 04:21:21,148
grand plan for stormwater

6554
04:21:21,148 --> 04:21:23,150
all while under the threat of a huge

6555
04:21:23,150 --> 04:21:25,150
reduction to income

6556
04:21:25,152 --> 04:21:28,752
for the elimination of property taxes

6557
04:21:29,156 --> 04:21:31,156
on homestead properties.

6558
04:21:32,125 --> 04:21:33,126
as mayor of the city

6559
04:21:33,126 --> 04:21:35,128
my focus must be on the issues of gulfport,

6560
04:21:35,128 --> 04:21:37,130
that is what I was elected

6561
04:21:37,130 --> 04:21:38,131
to do. At the next meeting I will

6562
04:21:38,131 --> 04:21:40,131
get

6563
04:21:41,134 --> 04:21:42,135
presentation on plans to

6564
04:21:42,135 --> 04:21:44,137
change parking and traffic flow in

6565
04:21:44,137 --> 04:21:46,537
the downtown area. I

6566
04:21:47,140 --> 04:21:48,141
know I have sat through

6567
04:21:48,141 --> 04:21:50,143
12 years of council meetings and I

6568
04:21:50,143 --> 04:21:52,543
know change is scary.

6569
04:21:54,147 --> 04:21:56,149
I hope that each one of you will consider

6570
04:21:56,149 --> 04:21:58,549
my plan and provide

6571
04:21:59,152 --> 04:22:00,153
input to improve upon it.

6572
04:22:00,153 --> 04:22:01,154
of course there's plenty more information in

6573
04:22:01,154 --> 04:22:04,154
those presentations to break down

6574
04:22:05,125 --> 04:22:08,125
in the future, as well

6575
04:22:08,128 --> 04:22:11,128
. That is my whole discussion

6576
04:22:11,131 --> 04:22:13,133
>> the only thing I would add

6577
04:22:13,133 --> 04:22:14,134
is people were concerned about giving

6578
04:22:14,134 --> 04:22:16,134
the character

6579
04:22:17,137 --> 04:22:19,137
of gulfport.

6580
04:22:20,140 --> 04:22:21,141
others were quite accurate.

6581
04:22:21,141 --> 04:22:23,141
>>

6582
04:22:23,143 --> 04:22:25,143
I agree.

6583
04:22:25,145 --> 04:22:26,146
>> that's all I had to say we could

6584
04:22:26,146 --> 04:22:28,546
move to new business

6585
04:22:29,149 --> 04:22:30,150
please.

6586
04:22:30,150 --> 04:22:32,150
>> no new business.

6587
04:22:32,152 --> 04:22:35,152
I know I am next.

6588
04:22:35,155 --> 04:22:37,155
>> I will

6589
04:22:38,125 --> 04:22:39,126
go next time.

6590
04:22:39,126 --> 04:22:41,128
>> we have something brewing

6591
04:22:41,128 --> 04:22:43,130
but I don't want to be premature.

6592
04:22:43,130 --> 04:22:44,131
>> I forgot to mention the new gulfport

6593
04:22:44,131 --> 04:22:46,131
environmental team

6594
04:22:47,134 --> 04:22:48,135
is also on

6595
04:22:48,135 --> 04:22:50,137
connecting gulfport on the volunteer

6596
04:22:50,137 --> 04:22:53,137
portal so you can sign

6597
04:22:53,140 --> 04:22:55,140
up for that.

6598
04:22:59,146 --> 04:23:02,149
>> all of this can wait except are

6599
04:23:02,149 --> 04:23:04,149
we recording

6600
04:23:05,152 --> 04:23:06,153
?

6601
04:23:06,153 --> 04:23:07,154
>> it is a

6602
04:23:07,154 --> 04:23:08,155
private group , that was established

6603
04:23:08,155 --> 04:23:11,124
last year when we give

6604
04:23:11,124 --> 04:23:13,126
it to them but we give them

6605
04:23:13,126 --> 04:23:14,127
the building.

6606
04:23:14,127 --> 04:23:15,128
>> who recorded last

6607
04:23:15,128 --> 04:23:17,128
time?

6608
04:23:17,130 --> 04:23:19,130
>> gabbard did

6609
04:23:20,133 --> 04:23:22,133
>>

6610
04:23:22,135 --> 04:23:23,136
it would be up to the league of women

6611
04:23:23,136 --> 04:23:25,136
voters to do

6612
04:23:26,139 --> 04:23:27,140
the recording?

6613
04:23:27,140 --> 04:23:29,140
>>

6614
04:23:29,142 --> 04:23:32,145
who is coordinating so they can

6615
04:23:32,145 --> 04:23:33,146
be contacted about that?

6616
04:23:33,146 --> 04:23:35,146
>>

6617
04:23:35,148 --> 04:23:37,148
okay.

6618
04:23:38,151 --> 04:23:40,151
.

6619
04:23:44,124 --> 04:23:46,124
>>

6620
04:23:50,130 --> 04:23:52,130
I understand.

6621
04:23:53,133 --> 04:23:55,133
>>

6622
04:23:56,136 --> 04:23:57,137
I understand and I hear your. They

6623
04:23:57,137 --> 04:23:59,137
have

6624
04:23:59,139 --> 04:24:02,142
been recorded before and want to continue.

6625
04:24:02,142 --> 04:24:04,142
>> council last year.

6626
04:24:05,145 --> 04:24:08,148
did not want us to participate.

6627
04:24:08,148 --> 04:24:10,548
>> interesting okay. Moving on

6628
04:24:12,152 --> 04:24:14,154
that could be another conversation.

6629
04:24:14,154 --> 04:24:16,154
I want to

6630
04:24:16,156 --> 04:24:17,124
make sure we are moving forward with

6631
04:24:17,124 --> 04:24:19,124
287 workshop

6632
04:24:20,127 --> 04:24:21,128
.

6633
04:24:21,128 --> 04:24:23,128
>> I

6634
04:24:23,130 --> 04:24:24,131
think we need to.

6635
04:24:24,131 --> 04:24:26,131
>>

6636
04:24:28,135 --> 04:24:29,136
we have one on the eighth about the

6637
04:24:29,136 --> 04:24:30,137
referendum.

6638
04:24:30,137 --> 04:24:31,138
>> we have

6639
04:24:31,138 --> 04:24:32,139
one on the fifth.

6640
04:24:32,139 --> 04:24:33,140
>> the one on 287

6641
04:24:33,140 --> 04:24:34,141
is you want

6642
04:24:34,141 --> 04:24:35,142
to give time to gather some of the

6643
04:24:35,142 --> 04:24:37,142
documentation like

6644
04:24:38,145 --> 04:24:41,145
the vice mayor brought up.

6645
04:24:41,148 --> 04:24:43,150
I would like to make sure you

6646
04:24:43,150 --> 04:24:46,750
add specifics, when I looked quickly

6647
04:24:47,154 --> 04:24:49,154
they

6648
04:24:49,156 --> 04:24:50,123
said agency and I was trying to figure

6649
04:24:50,123 --> 04:24:52,123
out what

6650
04:24:53,126 --> 04:24:55,128
that meant, there have

6651
04:24:55,128 --> 04:24:56,129
been some that did not sign so maybe we can get

6652
04:24:56,129 --> 04:24:57,130
the

6653
04:24:57,130 --> 04:24:58,131
documentation so you can have that.

6654
04:24:58,131 --> 04:25:00,131
>>

6655
04:25:00,133 --> 04:25:02,135
the school board the pinellas school

6656
04:25:02,135 --> 04:25:04,135
board rescinded

6657
04:25:06,139 --> 04:25:07,140
the agreement I talked to caprice

6658
04:25:07,140 --> 04:25:08,141
edmonds because it had not been approved

6659
04:25:08,141 --> 04:25:10,141
by either

6660
04:25:11,144 --> 04:25:13,544
the superintendent or the

6661
04:25:14,147 --> 04:25:16,147
school board.

6662
04:25:16,149 --> 04:25:17,150
they are a little different because

6663
04:25:17,150 --> 04:25:19,550
they're not a city.

6664
04:25:20,153 --> 04:25:22,155
so they cannot call them

6665
04:25:22,155 --> 04:25:23,156
sanctuary city.

6666
04:25:23,156 --> 04:25:24,124
>> can they take away their funding?

6667
04:25:24,124 --> 04:25:26,124
>>

6668
04:25:26,126 --> 04:25:27,127
yes they could.

6669
04:25:27,127 --> 04:25:29,127
>>

6670
04:25:29,129 --> 04:25:32,132
all of that they can take

6671
04:25:32,132 --> 04:25:34,132
it away.

6672
04:25:35,135 --> 04:25:38,138
>> that has been part of the leverage.

6673
04:25:38,138 --> 04:25:40,140
>> I do think we need to

6674
04:25:40,140 --> 04:25:41,141
give time to gather information with

6675
04:25:41,141 --> 04:25:43,141
information out to

6676
04:25:44,144 --> 04:25:46,144
the community so

6677
04:25:47,147 --> 04:25:49,547
it is timely because

6678
04:25:50,150 --> 04:25:53,153
still there's a lot of concern and fear

6679
04:25:53,153 --> 04:25:56,156
and we need to talk about

6680
04:25:56,156 --> 04:25:57,124
it in the community.

6681
04:25:57,124 --> 04:25:59,124
>> what about

6682
04:25:59,126 --> 04:26:02,126
the 20 sixth? Too far away?

6683
04:26:02,129 --> 04:26:04,529
there is no council

6684
04:26:05,132 --> 04:26:08,135
for that week , that would give over

6685
04:26:08,135 --> 04:26:09,136
a month.

6686
04:26:09,136 --> 04:26:11,136
>>

6687
04:26:11,138 --> 04:26:14,138
if council gives us direction

6688
04:26:14,141 --> 04:26:17,144
if we run into the problem we can always bring

6689
04:26:17,144 --> 04:26:18,145
it back.

6690
04:26:18,145 --> 04:26:20,145
>> I think

6691
04:26:21,148 --> 04:26:23,150
it was really obvious tonight there

6692
04:26:23,150 --> 04:26:25,152
is a tremendous amount of fear and

6693
04:26:25,152 --> 04:26:26,153
I also think that a good bit of the

6694
04:26:26,153 --> 04:26:28,153
fear is

6695
04:26:29,156 --> 04:26:31,156
generated by rumors

6696
04:26:32,125 --> 04:26:34,525
that are not true .

6697
04:26:35,128 --> 04:26:38,131
on the other hand, I need

6698
04:26:38,131 --> 04:26:41,131
to hear more. I know

6699
04:26:41,134 --> 04:26:44,137
what I have been told, but have

6700
04:26:44,137 --> 04:26:45,138
I spent full-time on this, no. I have

6701
04:26:45,138 --> 04:26:46,139
been spending

6702
04:26:46,139 --> 04:26:49,142
full-time on the city of gulfport

6703
04:26:49,142 --> 04:26:51,144
issues we have to deal with every

6704
04:26:51,144 --> 04:26:53,144
single day in

6705
04:26:54,147 --> 04:26:56,147
and day out.

6706
04:26:56,149 --> 04:26:59,152
so I do not so we are necessarily

6707
04:26:59,152 --> 04:27:02,155
well-prepared and I appreciate the fact

6708
04:27:02,155 --> 04:27:06,126
we did get responses on several issues

6709
04:27:06,126 --> 04:27:08,526
without having been forewarned

6710
04:27:09,129 --> 04:27:11,131
on what was happening tonight.

6711
04:27:11,131 --> 04:27:12,132
so I think having it is good so if

6712
04:27:12,132 --> 04:27:14,132
we

6713
04:27:15,135 --> 04:27:17,137
want to pull out a date and

6714
04:27:17,137 --> 04:27:20,140
within the next two days, we can from yes

6715
04:27:20,140 --> 04:27:24,144
we can make it happen or no we can't.

6716
04:27:24,144 --> 04:27:26,544
that way also attorney,

6717
04:27:27,147 --> 04:27:29,547
when people start sending

6718
04:27:30,150 --> 04:27:33,153
us, the council things, yes but what

6719
04:27:33,153 --> 04:27:36,156
about this and what about that?

6720
04:27:36,156 --> 04:27:37,124
at least we can forward that

6721
04:27:37,124 --> 04:27:39,126
to you so you can either confirm yes

6722
04:27:39,126 --> 04:27:41,526
that is accurate information

6723
04:27:42,129 --> 04:27:43,130
or yeah, that was

6724
04:27:43,130 --> 04:27:45,132
one piece of it but that changed 10

6725
04:27:45,132 --> 04:27:47,532
months ago. You know,

6726
04:27:48,135 --> 04:27:51,138
so we are looking at it because

6727
04:27:51,138 --> 04:27:53,138
just like we

6728
04:27:54,141 --> 04:27:57,144
talked about, you can move the

6729
04:27:57,144 --> 04:27:59,146
car for the hurricane, what can

6730
04:27:59,146 --> 04:28:03,150
we potentially do and I'm not talking about

6731
04:28:03,150 --> 04:28:05,550
rescinding the agreement, but

6732
04:28:06,153 --> 04:28:09,156
how, what could we be looking at

6733
04:28:09,156 --> 04:28:12,125
to do our darndest to keep as

6734
04:28:12,125 --> 04:28:13,126
far away.

6735
04:28:13,126 --> 04:28:15,126
>>

6736
04:28:15,128 --> 04:28:17,130
mayor, I would like

6737
04:28:17,130 --> 04:28:18,131
to look at some of that because I

6738
04:28:18,131 --> 04:28:20,131
think, trying

6739
04:28:21,134 --> 04:28:23,136
to say this to the best way I can

6740
04:28:23,136 --> 04:28:24,137
think of. Which is while some communities

6741
04:28:24,137 --> 04:28:26,137
may have

6742
04:28:27,140 --> 04:28:29,140
adopted this or

6743
04:28:29,142 --> 04:28:30,143
were forced to adopt it does not mean

6744
04:28:30,143 --> 04:28:32,145
they are implementing it

6745
04:28:32,145 --> 04:28:36,149
and I think that's what the vice mayor was

6746
04:28:36,149 --> 04:28:37,150
pointing to. You, yes it says it in

6747
04:28:37,150 --> 04:28:39,150
the agreement,

6748
04:28:39,152 --> 04:28:40,153
but

6749
04:28:40,153 --> 04:28:42,155
it does not mean anybody is doing

6750
04:28:42,155 --> 04:28:43,156
it because there was leverage,

6751
04:28:43,156 --> 04:28:45,125
there's leverage placed on this, not

6752
04:28:45,125 --> 04:28:46,126
just criminal aspects,

6753
04:28:46,126 --> 04:28:48,128
it's the financial leverage and everybody

6754
04:28:48,128 --> 04:28:51,131
in smaller cities are the ones that

6755
04:28:51,131 --> 04:28:53,131
are feeling that

6756
04:28:54,134 --> 04:28:55,135
and I think that is a fair statement

6757
04:28:55,135 --> 04:28:56,136
that

6758
04:28:56,136 --> 04:28:59,139
needs to be brought out, too. I hope

6759
04:28:59,139 --> 04:29:00,140
I am not going to be arrested now.

6760
04:29:00,140 --> 04:29:02,140
>>

6761
04:29:03,143 --> 04:29:04,144
we will bail you out.

6762
04:29:04,144 --> 04:29:05,145
>> all right.

6763
04:29:05,145 --> 04:29:06,146
where

6764
04:29:06,146 --> 04:29:08,148
you've done with your

6765
04:29:08,148 --> 04:29:09,149
new business?

6766
04:29:09,149 --> 04:29:10,150
>> someone mentioned

6767
04:29:10,150 --> 04:29:12,150
the 20 sixth.

6768
04:29:12,152 --> 04:29:14,152
january 26

6769
04:29:14,154 --> 04:29:17,124
you will be in tallahassee. Or february.

6770
04:29:17,124 --> 04:29:20,724
>> could not be ready for january.

6771
04:29:21,128 --> 04:29:23,128
>> earlier if we

6772
04:29:24,131 --> 04:29:25,132
can buy just to be fair.

6773
04:29:25,132 --> 04:29:26,133
>> now it

6774
04:29:26,133 --> 04:29:27,134
comes

6775
04:29:27,134 --> 04:29:28,135
to me for the new business and I had

6776
04:29:28,135 --> 04:29:29,136
some

6777
04:29:29,136 --> 04:29:30,137
things here, but I cannot deal with

6778
04:29:30,137 --> 04:29:32,137
it right

6779
04:29:33,140 --> 04:29:35,142
now. I am just out of it.

6780
04:29:35,142 --> 04:29:36,143
I am going to adjourn our meeting.

6781
04:29:36,143 --> 04:29:38,143
thank

6782
04:29:39,146 --> 04:29:42,149
you to all of you who

6783
04:29:42,149 --> 04:29:45,152
hung the in here this long,

6784
04:29:45,152 --> 04:29:46,153
I hope the rest of you don't get

6785
04:29:46,153 --> 04:29:48,155
up at 4:00 every morning. Thank you for

6786
04:29:48,155 --> 04:29:50,155
being here,

6787
04:29:51,124 --> 04:29:53,124
appreciate it.