This conference will now be recorded.
Well, good morning. Uh, thank you for
your patience. Uh, I call to order this
uh workshops a special city council
meeting on this August 8th, 2026 at 9:01
a.m. and a
super majority
of the council is present
with that. Uh, if we could go to uh
invitation and pledge. Thank you
almighty father for your many gifts and
your wisdom and your guidance. We pray
that you are with us always in Jesus
name. Amen.
» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.
Honor the Texas flag. I pledge
allegiance to thee, Texas, one state
under God, one and indivisible.
one. Uh any speakers?
>> No, sir.
» No, sir.
>> Is there anybody online?
» All right.
Very good. Let's go to the item four. Uh
the fiscal year 2026 2027 proposed
budget. The
item 4 A we will pick up from where we
left off. That'll be a short conclusion
there and then go into uh the remainder
of the items.
One is uh debt service fund and two is
special revenue funds and
um Miss Lamb will do that presentation.
>> It's page 191, guys.
» Good morning, mayor and council. Um if
you look at page 93
um this is the debt service fund for um
that's supported by property tax and um
if you'll look at that the um
revenues are based on um the no new
revenue rate. Should you raise a
different tax rate that um would change
um for on the advorum taxes line for the
revenues
um the
under the debt service requirements all
the different bond issues or
certificates of obligation that are um
funded by the property tax are listed
there with their principal interest and
fee requirements um for the next coming
year. This is the debt service that is
submitted to the county when they do our
um calculations for our debt service
rate
uh that you'll be talking about later uh
in the meeting. On the following pages,
uh there's just a summary of
um all of them put together to show you
the impact um of them all together. And
then starting on page 196, you have the
different issues listed out uh to their
maturity. One thing I wanted to point
out on the headings of those on p like
page 196, this is tax supported portion.
60% on that uh general obligation
refunding bond. The other 40% is funded
by water and sewer. Um, and you'll see
that as we move on to um the debt
service for the water and sewer funds.
On page 2011 is our other debt service
fund and this is the uh fund
[clears throat] that the water and sewer
debt is funded. This fund actually on
your audited financial statements will
combine with fund two which is your
water and sewer fund. uh because these
um issues are not funded by the property
tax. They are funded with water and
sewer revenues. So you have uh in on the
revenues you have a transfer from impact
fees that is something that was set up
many years ago and I don't know the
history behind all of that but the
impact fees for water and sewer uh
support one of the debt issues and they
transfer in 150,000 towards that. this
transfer from water and sewer. Um we
just show the portion that's actually
being funded this year out of fund O2.
Then one of the debt issues um type A
and type B participate in and so they're
they transfer in to pay this debt. They
each transfer in 35,000
and then this fund earns interest
income. So that's where the funding for
these debt issues come from. all those
different sources. Then once again on
the requirements, it's listing out your
principal, interest, and your fee
requirements for the coming year. This
debt once again is not included in the
property tax.
On the next pages, you have the same you
have the summary that shows them all
together with their requirements and
then the individual um to maturity and
the percentage that they're funded.
And just point out that um on page 207,
this is the certificates of obligations
uh that we did in 2022.
The majority of this, this is what is
reflected with the pro the projects that
are in fund 29
um the water and sewer piece of that
which is 71.91%.
So the heavy burden of this one is is on
the water and sewer fund.
Are there any questions on the debt
service?
I just have one and I'm just trying to
understand you said for page 193. So the
interest it's stating is interest earned
or interest charged to us
>> on the um top of the top of the page
» on the um top of the top of the page
under revenues there's interest earned
>> but in the debt service requirement
» but in the debt service requirement
>> but in the debt service the it's the
» but in the debt service the it's the
interest payment.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
Just trying to understand for the 2022
combo tax um why are we holding on to a
debt that's double for the interest
charge? So like I'm looking principal
for next year's 165 interest we're going
to pay is 189.
[clears throat]
>> What page are you on?
» What page are you on?
>> 193
» 193
>> towards the bottom bottom line
» towards the bottom bottom line
>> under 2022 combo tax
» under 2022 combo tax
>> 199
» 199
>> 193
» 193
>> 193
» 193
>> 193 sorry
» 193 sorry
>> I mean the rest seem like reasonable
» I mean the rest seem like reasonable
interest charges if I'm reading it
correctly but that one is more than the
principal.
Yeah. And
>> we could wipe that out.
» we could wipe that out.
>> Part of the reason for that is the way
» Part of the reason for that is the way
it was issued. It it was almost a year.
It was almost 18 months before we made
the first interest payment. So, it's
behind on the the amount that's
outstanding.
>> Would
» Would
>> and I can double check this number, but
» and I can double check this number, but
it should be correct.
>> Yeah. I mean, I'm looking at the past
» Yeah. I mean, I'm looking at the past
years and they're always much higher
than the principal. I mean, with such a
small is it not in the city's best
interest or is it even an option to pay
this one off just because the interest
is so high or is that not
>> There are call provisions. I'd have to
» There are call provisions. I'd have to
look them up. Um, but yes, all of these
issues have call provisions in them.
>> Okay. I'm just looking at the interest
» Okay. I'm just looking at the interest
compared to the principal and it just
seems like something we may want to talk
about and consider.
>> Yeah.
There any other question?
Uh if there's not we can go on to the
next item which is special revenue funds
and those start on page 209
211
actually start on page 213 with the
parkboard fund. Heartboard fund is the
fund that um they fund their activities
[clears throat]
and events um out of. This fund is
funded by uh contributions that show up
on the utility bill. The customers have
the option to make donations to this
fund. So those are shown in the park
fund contributions.
Then the um down at the bottom you'll
see a matching transfer any we this
general fund matches any donations that
are made by the citizens. So that's
where that is shown.
And then the other large revenue source
for this is the transfer from the
general fund. the general fund. U the
council has uh for many years had this
$62,400
amount that they subsidized this fund
with.
And then the other revenues are for the
particular events that the um park board
holds and these are the sponsorships and
donations that um Katrina goes out when
she's working the events and secures
from the different sponsors.
One of the new items that they requested
in the current or in the next year's
budget is they want to reinstate their
rodeo uh project. So they have added
$40,000
at both the revenue and expenditure line
for the rodeo.
Um other than that there's
very little changes um from the prior
year.
The in addition to this Mr. Mayor, may
I?
>> Um,
» Um,
I just have a curiosity question.
>> They're saying they're going to have
» They're saying they're going to have
40,000 in income and 40,000 in expenses
for the rodeo. Where does the income
come from for the rodeo?
>> Sponsorships.
» Sponsorships.
>> So, they think they'll get that much
» So, they think they'll get that much
from sponsorships.
>> That That's how we budget it.
» That That's how we budget it.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Sometimes they go over sponsorships and
» Sometimes they go over sponsorships and
sometimes they don't make it. But
vendors as well.
>> Yeah. I'm just saying on the other
» Yeah. I'm just saying on the other
events, they don't really bring in that
much. So, I'm just want I'm just curious
why the rodeo has such a higher number
for income.
>> Um because it has a high number for
» Um because it has a high number for
expenditures. They they do the same.
This is how they've always budgeted.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Because that's Katrina's goal is to go
» Because that's Katrina's goal is to go
out and try to raise $40,000.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Or, you know, for um the fireworks, you
» Or, you know, for um the fireworks, you
know, she raises, you know, more money.
As you can see,
it's not always feasible to to raise
them, but
>> Right.
» Right.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> We have no idea how to determine who
» We have no idea how to determine who
will sponsor, who will not,
>> right?
» right?
>> So that's why it's reflected this way.
» So that's why it's reflected this way.
>> Okay. And with the rodeo, I would also
» Okay. And with the rodeo, I would also
say that there's a third party that runs
it and he also goes out and gets
sponsorships and sometimes Katrina and
him have or the city and him have worked
a um agreement where some of the
sponsorship goes to us as well. So it it
will raise more money.
>> Okay. Thank you'all. in the past.
» Okay. Thank you'all. in the past.
>> In addition, the park um park board did
» In addition, the park um park board did
request that the city add 300,000 to the
playground project which um you all
added in the general fund at your last
workshop.
>> Mayor,
» Mayor,
>> yeah.
» yeah.
>> Um so, question. Why do we continue to
» Um so, question. Why do we continue to
put the 62,400 in there if they've got a
pretty healthy
budget? It looks like they're they're
able to cover their own costs and
they're actually increasing on their
ending available resources. Is that
something we need to consider changing?
>> It's been the custom of the council to
» It's been the custom of the council to
do that every year for many years. If
this council would like to change that,
then uh that could be part of your
change.
>> And I don't mind the the park board
» And I don't mind the the park board
having money. It just looks like they
don't need it. So the question is why
are we putting it there?
I believe the previous amount was
$57,000
and at one point we raised it to 624.
» Is there a budget you think is healthy
for them to have at ending available
resources?
» I yeah I don't I don't know that I have
a a real opinion on that. there are um
there hasn't been a a situation that I
can think of where they were in danger
of running short or um
>> definitely not a quarter of a million
» definitely not a quarter of a million
dollars.
>> No.
» No.
>> Okay. So, I mean that's just something
» Okay. So, I mean that's just something
for us to
>> Yeah. Or or definitely thinking about
» Yeah. Or or definitely thinking about
maybe reducing that number to
>> or maybe just removing it just for this
» or maybe just removing it just for this
year. I mean
>> I would remove it completely. The first
» I would remove it completely. The first
thing I would do is maybe
[clears throat] reduce and then if it's
still not used then remove. Okay. But
>> I think the reason reason she might be,
» I think the reason reason she might be,
not to put words in your mouth, but
because they have $260,000
available at the end of the year.
>> So if you if you took it out completely,
» So if you if you took it out completely,
they'd still have $200,000 left over.
I think is maybe is that
>> that is what I was saying. I was just
» that is what I was saying. I was just
saying that's what Oh, sorry. I'm not
sure why it's doing that.
>> Um [clears throat] even if we only
» Um [clears throat] even if we only
removed it for the year, they would
still have a very healthy budget was all
I was saying. But I even just reducing I
just don't
from what they've spent and from their
history, it just doesn't look like they
need a quarter of a million dollar,
>> right?
» right?
>> Maybe reduce it by half. Like just
» Maybe reduce it by half. Like just
because if I do agree, I think it was 57
before and I'm I don't know the history
of why that has always been the case,
but
>> I might make the suggestion. Uh I hear
» I might make the suggestion. Uh I hear
what you're saying.
uh this transfer
from general fund being 62,400
and
with the total revenue at 161450
and total expenditures estimated at
151250
for this budget to balance out and
reduce that uh it would be lower that
62400
to maybe 52400
decrease it by 10,000 And that's the
diff that's approximate number. I had to
get my calculator, but that's the
approximate difference between
uh this year's uh proposed revenue
versus expenditures.
And the uh your this quarter of a
million, you're looking at the total
ending resources. Those are carry over
from year to year to year that uh it's a
a reserve that uh they have in this park
board fund
>> just as we do in our general fund.
» just as we do in our general fund.
>> Understood. And it's just talking about
» Understood. And it's just talking about
do they really need a quarter of a
million dollars of reserves or even
200,000. I mean I'm just saying we
should talk about it if if we feel
>> time talk about
» time talk about
>> Yeah. Now that I see kind of what you
» Yeah. Now that I see kind of what you
said with the total revenue and the
total expenditures, you wouldn't want to
>> go less on the revenue than what they're
» go less on the revenue than what they're
going to expend. Even though there is
that reserve,
I think it would be good practice to
keep it balanced.
>> Well, let's see what that difference
» Well, let's see what that difference
actual difference would be. So 161
>> 10,200.
» 10,200.
>> How much?
» How much?
>> 10,200.
» 10,200.
>> $10,200.
» $10,200.
So if you decrease that uh revenue the
match
uh how much does that take that to that
52,212
» 522
>> that's a good start for sure and then we
» that's a good start for sure and then we
can look at it maybe doing more next
year.
>> Well also you don't want to cut too far
» Well also you don't want to cut too far
this year but since they're adding
another new big event you want to see
how that kind of plays out maybe. So I
think a little decrease is fine. I just
think something definitely we keep an
eye on as we go next year.
>> Marcy,
» Marcy,
uh [clears throat]
uh when we get new houses in that know
we were talking about last week with
that sweet grass that $1,000 that every
house gets built goes into the goes
towards the fund 15. Is that is that one
of these line items? Because once all
the houses are being built then they
won't be getting all that extra money
from all these new houses. So the parks
board their budget if I'm correcting
right should be going I mean they
wouldn't be getting a lot of money and
so they won't be having all this extra
money in there. Correct.
>> This this fun
» This this fun
>> this fund is separate from fund 15. Oh
» this fund is separate from fund 15. Oh
okay. So
>> yeah. Um and prior to our boon and
» yeah. Um and prior to our boon and
building fund 15 was very small. So
you're correct. It's it's going to go
back down.
>> So this is so this is
» So this is so this is
>> it's not going to affect this fun.
» it's not going to affect this fun.
>> Oh okay. Okay.
» Oh okay. Okay.
>> This park fund contribution is from the
» This park fund contribution is from the
water bill like where they can opt. Is
that where
>> they get water bill and then the general
» they get water bill and then the general
fund matches that?
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> And then they have the 624.
» And then they have the 624.
>> Okay. So in that park fund contribution
» Okay. So in that park fund contribution
we're matching.
>> Yes. If you see park fund contributions
» Yes. If you see park fund contributions
of 15 and then down at towards the end
>> uh matching transfer general fund. Okay.
» uh matching transfer general fund. Okay.
Is 15.
>> Okay.
So, did you get that we were going to
reduce the transfer from general fund to
52,200?
Yes. Moving forward. Okay.
>> And I just want to note just for anyone
» And I just want to note just for anyone
watching, that's not us trying to slash
park uh board funding. That's just
looking at the accounts. Um if the park
board needs more money, we are we're not
saying no. We're just adjusting to their
current almost quarter million available
resources.
Are there any other questions on
Okay.
Uh the next one is impact fees
and that's on page 223.
Um once again this is this is going to
be driven by um the development that we
have going on. So the revenues for this
fund are the water and sewer impact fees
and then interest income. Uh interest
income obviously would um go down as
these um this balance goes down. Um and
Mike can probably tell us more about
what impact fees can be used for. But um
in looking at next year's budget um what
we've what we've seen here is a transfer
as I mentioned before on the debt
service that the impact fees transfer to
the debt service fund. So that's that
$150,000
transfer that you see. And then what we
have budgeted in here for project
expenditures
in the current year
that 965,000
for FM156 Blue Mountain Road 16in water
line lowering that is a current uh
project and so if it's not completed or
not began in this year it'll carry
forward. the water system master plan,
$5,000 is budgeted for next year. And
then in the sewer
uh section, the impact program update
for 20,000 and the sewer system master
plan for 425
and those were um on the recommendation
of Mr. Anderson.
the impact fees. Uh if you'll look at
that graph on the screen,
this is the historicals
u buildout
since uh 20 or 17 fiscal year 1718
starting on the very far left and up to
this last fiscal year or this fiscal
year 2526.
this uh
year we expect a build out of
approximately 82 homes.
That's why you see and that correlates
these impact fees correlate directly
with that construction. Now what's not
reflected in here is
uh commercial. We we the
residential permits or the residential
construction is uh very well predicted.
The developers have that down to a
science
and the these numbers is where we get
that from. and also we track the permits
uh compared to what they forecasted.
What we don't have in here uh in the
impact fee revenue here is any large
warehouse any commercial endeavor that
may come that is uh not predictable. So
it would be to a benefit if a commercial
a large warehouse comes in they pay
their impact fees
that will give more revenue than what
we're estimating.
>> It would not be beneficial if a large
» It would not be beneficial if a large
warehouse comes in.
>> Sorry.
» Sorry.
>> It would not be beneficial if a large
» It would not be beneficial if a large
warehouse comes in.
We [clears throat] have said over and
over and over and the citizens have said
it as well. We do not want any more
warehouses.
>> The master land use plan which I know is
» The master land use plan which I know is
going into review. A bulk of that, you
know, probably
25% of the city on the north side
is zoned or is industrial.
It is industrial. That is the market
demand for uh Hasslet, Texas.
It's it would be nice, you know, but
there you and you need to the
logistics industry, the warehousing
industry,
uh those commercial facilities, they're
they're not particularly evil. There is
an upside and yes, there's a downside
when you get a large warehouse. And I'll
just take a minute here. I'm not trying
to divert.
>> Yeah, I'd like to get back on the
» Yeah, I'd like to get back on the
agenda.
>> Yes. But when make when you make a
» Yes. But when make when you make a
comment in public that warehousing we
don't want anymore that we need to step
back and understand what that means to
the city is that
uh a large warehouse say a 500,000 foot
warehouse or even a million square foot
warehouse uh
that is one large facility. There are
proportionally if you had a million
square foot or residential
um home sites that uh I worked that
number up but I think that might be
maybe 150 homes. U is that
150 homes
those are 150 points of failure for
water and sewer that public works has to
maintain. For a large warehouse, there
might be three connection points in the
entire facility versus 150. So the
upside is there a relatively smaller
line serving that large million square
foot facility
and less maintenance required
from the public works side of the world
to maintain that. Also with a large
warehouse depending on the operation
with all any of them is you get a what
is called personal property tax besides
the avalorum property tax. So the
personal property tax um such as uh well
a large ware million square foot
warehouse I think one of the recent ones
that have been uh that will be built
here is uh the personal property tax in
addition to that alarm but the personal
property tax yields the equivalent
equivalent if you had to generate that
taxable sale from a retail facility that
retail facility would have to generate
over $77 million a year.
So there is an upside to warehousing. We
just need to recognize it. Yeah. But
what come what's the downside?
We get a lot of cut uh cross through
traffic in the city of Hassa, Texas and
the large vehicles.
That's the downside.
>> Okay. I had a question on um the Lata
» Okay. I had a question on um the Lata
water impact fee grant. So that's
completed and that will be removed next
year. I was looking back at last year's
budget with their buildout. So that's
that's done.
» Okay, perfect.
>> And then also on
» And then also on
>> Okay, perfect. Um and then also on the
» Okay, perfect. Um and then also on the
water impact fees and the sewer impact
fees, that's it's a pretty significant
um reduction. Is that just something
that
can Can you explain the the from the 4
368 512 368 490 now to 96?
>> I'll let Oh, sorry. I'll let the mayor
» I'll let Oh, sorry. I'll let the mayor
answer that. He's he's um looking at the
production schedule from the builders
and he may want to
>> that's just a prediction on what
» that's just a prediction on what
>> so your question again is that why is it
» so your question again is that why is it
reduced from 490,000 to 96,000
>> and then below with the 450 to 186
» and then below with the 450 to 186
>> the for each residential lot there is a
» the for each residential lot there is a
set impact fee
>> and it's I think is a nominal nominal
» and it's I think is a nominal nominal
$2,000 for water, nominal 2,000 for
sewer. Well, actually there's more
difference than that. It's almost twice.
It [clears throat] is almost twice. Uh I
>> almost twice done or almost twice the
» almost twice done or almost twice the
amount.
>> The sewer impact fee is almost twice of
» The sewer impact fee is almost twice of
what the water impact is double.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Okay. Okay. Double. Okay.
» Okay. Okay. Double. Okay.
>> So that's why you see that numerical
» So that's why you see that numerical
difference between the two. But that is
based on I believe a standard with 3/4
inch line on water. And
so with that we just take those numbers.
We take our projections which we get
from the developers
and multiply those number of expected
they call it takedown the number of
takedowns for the coming year.
and multiply it and how that's how that
number is generated.
>> Okay. Thank you,
» Okay. Thank you,
>> Mr. Mayor.
» Mr. Mayor.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Um, is there any way we could I know
» Um, is there any way we could I know
this is not the place, but these bring
up the issues. Is there any way we could
have a workshop at some point where we
look out five years? Because we've had
this bell curve of
of
development and we know that the number
of houses being built every year is
going down,
for example. And so our budget is going
to look very different in 5 years than
it does right now.
>> And I think if we're not preparing now
» And I think if we're not preparing now
for then, it's going to be a really
harsh reality for when we get there. And
I think it'd be very good for us as a
council um to create a soft landing
instead of a hard crash down the road.
Um so if there's any way we could put
together a workshop where we could
project out five years and and talk
about, you know, what are the
possibilities, what do we need to
prepare for, what might could we
accomplish in the next 5 years? I think
that'd be very beneficial for the city
of Hlet.
>> We can do that. We will do that. Uh just
» We can do that. We will do that. Uh just
to answer your question, um 2627
we uh expect approximately 80 something
homes to be built and the remainder 60
plus homes would be finished out in 2728
and then it's done. Single family
residential construction is done. new
construction.
>> But
» But
>> so 2728 at the end of that is when that
» so 2728 at the end of that is when that
is expected to
come. But the positive side of that is,
you know, when a new home is built and
it gets occupied, it can take as much as
two years before the city sees any
property tax revenue.
Depends on when it goes on the books at
the appraisal district.
So it can take up to two years
but so uh for I'll say a nominal two
years after 2728
you'll see that additional property tax
revenue increase.
>> Is that including the land just north of
» Is that including the land just north of
Oldtown here that is also zoned
residential?
The number of houses you're saying are
left to be built.
>> No, I think it's only on those current
» No, I think it's only on those current
subdivisions. the the current
subdivision.
>> Okay. Because I know that piece of land
» Okay. Because I know that piece of land
is zoned residential as well.
>> That that does not include that because
» That that does not include that because
no developer or anyone in fact uh uh has
inquired to do anything there.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Are you talking about the land west of
» Are you talking about the land west of
BNSF?
>> No,
» No,
>> just right here on this side of the
» just right here on this side of the
tracks
>> just north of just north street
» just north of just north street
>> and take a right. That field is res is
» and take a right. That field is res is
zoned residential. So to a few comments
to you and you as well, Chris, whe
whether he brings it or not, I I had
actually already spoke to Tanya about
this part of the strategic plan. Most
cities have a five and a 10year budget.
So as we get into the strategic plan,
it's going to take them time to put
together a five and 10ear financial
plan. Um but that is something that I
intend to bring forward if we don't get
started on it anyways because the city
needs it. There's no way we can plan for
this infrastructure accurately with just
this sheet. I mean, this is great, Mike.
I think you've done a fantastic job, but
we need to plug this in and kind of see
the projection of money and potential
tax rates when we need to go for a
significant tax increase or a bond. We
can't see that on this. Um, so
>> I would like to make a comment to that
» I would like to make a comment to that
as these capital projects and water and
sewer take into account all this
finished out residential. I I understand
>> and the population and projected
» and the population and projected
businesses that would come in many
years.
>> I understand. But for residents and for
» I understand. But for residents and for
the council to fully understand what's
going to happen over the next five and
again 10 years, we need to see a full
budget projection, which most cities
have. I did want to ask a question
though, going back to today's agenda.
The water impact fee, you said it was
2,000 per house being developed. Well,
and then you said that we're going to
build 80 houses this year. Well, your
projection shows only 48 houses
approximately paying that water impact
fee.
>> No, I said nominal. I I can pull up the,
» No, I said nominal. I I can pull up the,
you know, all the calculations that I
did [clears throat] and I'll furnish
that to you.
>> I'm just I'm just asking. So, is it not
» I'm just I'm just asking. So, is it not
$2,000?
>> I don't know the exact number.
» I don't know the exact number.
>> Okay. I just want to make sure
» Okay. I just want to make sure
>> I don't recall the exact number. I do
» I don't recall the exact number. I do
know what the number is and I I've used
it, but to recall the exact number
>> No, you're fine. didn't I'm just going
» No, you're fine. didn't I'm just going
off of what you said.
>> Nominal. Yes.
» Nominal. Yes.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
If we can just double check those
numbers because if we're building 80
houses this year
um and we haven't received the water
impact fees yet, I'm just a little
surprised at that significant decrease.
I would expect a decrease but that that
large I would see I would expect more of
a step down. Well, I I'll send all of
you that uh the water and sewer impact
fees
>> that have been applied.
» that have been applied.
>> Yeah, cuz Tanya Wait, question.
» Yeah, cuz Tanya Wait, question.
>> I mean, sorry, not Tanya, Jasmine.
» I mean, sorry, not Tanya, Jasmine.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Yeah, cuz you're saying if
» Yeah, cuz you're saying if
>> 162 down to 181, this number 490 should
» 162 down to 181, this number 490 should
be half, not a quarter.
>> That that is actually what I was about
» That that is actually what I was about
to say. If we did 162 last year at 490,
we're almost expecting it to drop in
half. Like you said, we should be at
about 245.
We
>> We'll check those numbers and I'll send
» We'll check those numbers and I'll send
them to you.
Okay. And same with sewer impact.
>> Yes, both both impacts.
» Yes, both both impacts.
>> Okay.
» Any other questions?
» Okay. The the next special revenue fund
is fund three um on page 229. This is
for type B
and um they have made quite a few
changes in their budget. They um
had a workshop and worked on this I
think for a couple of meetings. Um
starting off with the revenues
um their major revenue is um sales tax
and interest income.
Um on the transfers out as I mentioned
earlier they um transfer to fund a
portion of the debt there 35,000
on the transfer to the general fund.
They if you'll look on page
um
255.
Um they
they've transferred historically
um an amount that's 212 well partially
21290 which was part for um just
covering expenses of the general fund.
So, um,
>> you say 255
» you say 255
>> kind of like 233 25.
» kind of like 233 25.
>> Well, it's two Yeah. I'm not sure why
» Well, it's two Yeah. I'm not sure why
there's two different numbers. I think
they must have put page numbers on what
they gave me.
>> I gota
» I gota
>> um
» um
but the count 03596100
0.
So the um 21290
historically has been the um 68.90 that
they transfer in to fund some of the
general fund expenditures and then the
EDC coordinator third of that. So they
have added um reimbursing the city for a
portion of the um metroport chamber dues
and then they've also added um a third
of the economic development director.
They're um I believe proposing to have u
rehire a director. So that's why that uh
transfer amount has gone up.
>> May I ask a quick question, Mr. Mayor?
» May I ask a quick question, Mr. Mayor?
Yes. Um, so since EDC has the 13,200
right here for the Metropport Chamber
fees, can we already mark that out on
our general budget or No,
>> we we have to have it budgeted as
» we we have to have it budgeted as
expenditure and then we'll budget it as
a transfer. It'll it'll wash.
>> It'll wash.
» It'll wash.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Okay. Thank you.
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Who is I'm sorry, Mayor.
» Who is I'm sorry, Mayor.
>> Yes, ma'am.
» Yes, ma'am.
>> Um, Marcy, who is their coordinator?
» Um, Marcy, who is their coordinator?
>> That's Morris Swanky. Oh, okay. So, that
» That's Morris Swanky. Oh, okay. So, that
that's that one. Is there a way we can
add also a note there like we did on the
other line saying that that's with that
that agreement with that company? I just
think it's more clear than saying
>> we've hired someone in the city. And
» we've hired someone in the city. And
then for the economic development
director, is this one-third brought up
to match what we
>> that I have? No. uh because the number
» that I have? No. uh because the number
that we budgeted we didn't we didn't
specify what was salary what was
expenditures we just budgeted a total
amount
>> I also would point out that type A has
» I also would point out that type A has
not made the same budget um
for a third so there'll be some things
to work out if they decide to add that
position
>> okay so if yeah so if and I think we all
» okay so if yeah so if and I think we all
said we wanting to so what do we need to
iron out to make sure that the funs are
there to hire this position?
>> Um,
» Um,
>> we can't put it in their budget or
» we can't put it in their budget or
change their amount in their budget, can
we?
>> No,
» No,
>> we can only remove
» we can only remove
>> B can change their budget.
» B can change their budget.
>> We can only remove if we don't agree.
» We can only remove if we don't agree.
>> They they can propose an amendment and
» They they can propose an amendment and
then
>> and you approve it.
» and you approve it.
>> And then you approve it.
» And then you approve it.
>> Just approve the amendment.
» Just approve the amendment.
>> Okay. So, council, how do you guys want
» Okay. So, council, how do you guys want
to approach that?
>> And same thing with A.
» And same thing with A.
>> You what?
» You what?
>> Same thing with A as well. Do we think A
» Same thing with A as well. Do we think A
is
>> A would need I mean if if the assumption
» A would need I mean if if the assumption
is that A is going to pay a third they
have not made the same budget.
>> Yeah. Theirs is a lot lower. It's
» Yeah. Theirs is a lot lower. It's
14,000.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> The 14,000 is for Shrinky.
» The 14,000 is for Shrinky.
>> Yeah. The 14,000
» Yeah. The 14,000
>> we have to do a 51,000 for the EDC
» we have to do a 51,000 for the EDC
coordinator which is a different
position.
>> Can you remind me what we put in on RN
» Can you remind me what we put in on RN
core?
>> I think we put in um
» I think we put in um
125,000. Hang on one second.
>> 125,000 total. So we we do need to I
» 125,000 total. So we we do need to I
think specify and break that apart, but
it looks like since we don't have type A
agreeing, I almost think we we either
need to plan to split with B or
something because if not, we're not
going to have this set up right to hire
the position.
>> Yeah, splitting would be a good idea to
» Yeah, splitting would be a good idea to
start and then going to A and see if
what they would be willing to
>> contribute.
» contribute.
>> I think the hard thing with A is they
» I think the hard thing with A is they
meet very they don't meet very frequent.
I mean like they're like every quarter
and then you know us and
>> uh type B meet every month and then when
» uh type B meet every month and then when
they only meet every quarter I mean I
don't know when's their next meeting is.
So it's kind of like you know I know
they did probably did their budget a
good while back because their meetings
are so
>> spread out. So that's something we need
» spread out. So that's something we need
to talk with them about or either split
it 7575 with um or whatever the number
is um with me.
>> I'm going back I'm sorry. What page is
» I'm going back I'm sorry. What page is
the What page did we put the economic
development? Where was it?
>> We created a new department.
» We created a new department.
>> Oh, yes. I see.
» Oh, yes. I see.
>> And so I've added it onto the general
» And so I've added it onto the general
fund summary. You should have
>> a summary on your
» a summary on your
>> Do you remember how much we said we
» Do you remember how much we said we
wanted to pay him versus his or per them
versus their budget? I don't I just
remember we talked about a salary and
some startup expenses, but I didn't have
in my notes.
>> I think we we
» I think we we
>> I didn't either. I'm looking at my
» I didn't either. I'm looking at my
notes. Um
>> and I don't either.
» and I don't either.
>> I have 82 or 85,000 that was thinking it
» I have 82 or 85,000 that was thinking it
was being split though and 42,000
for I don't know. We We need to fix this
real quick because this is going to end
up causing a problem for us.
>> Excuse me. So you're
» Excuse me. So you're
you're looking at type B right now. Yes.
Your budget
>> and versus how it speaks to ours what
» and versus how it speaks to ours what
they have versus what we have in the
fact that type A did not contribute. So
this is a problem in the budget across
three different places.
>> The uh so it's typically it always has
» The uh so it's typically it always has
been a third of it from each.
>> I understand but we don't have
» I understand but we don't have
concurrence from A that they would do
that. So that means we have to plan as
if A is not going to agree otherwise we
wouldn't have the funds to make this
position possible this year.
>> So uh on I think you mentioned earlier
» So uh on I think you mentioned earlier
to put in B's budget to make it explicit
this coordinator is
>> Bureitos.
» Bureitos.
>> I would not do that. In fact you can't
» I would not do that. In fact you can't
do that to their budget. They had to
make that change. We can make it make a
note and make a suggestion
>> but if you put a company specific in
» but if you put a company specific in
that budget line item. Guess what? You
can only spend it. It is not set in
stone that it's going to always be
bureau veritos.
>> Marcy,
» Marcy,
>> so it is a CD uh an economic development
» so it is a CD uh an economic development
coordinator.
>> Marcy, for the description, how can we
» Marcy, for the description, how can we
clarify that better?
>> Um well, so I have a question. If
» Um well, so I have a question. If
they're going to hire their own, they
may not need this 144
Are they hiring there?
» It would be for the city, but again, it
would be the split.
>> My understanding is that since
» My understanding is that since
Veraritoss is more of a planning
organization than a development
organization,
>> the 144 is staying in there to keep the
» the 144 is staying in there to keep the
planner part.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> And they're hiring we're hiring a new
» And they're hiring we're hiring a new
position for economic development
coordinator that is only going to focus
on
>> de like building the business community
» de like building the business community
in town. and it's going to be a a city
staff person.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> So, that's why there needed to be two
» So, that's why there needed to be two
lines.
>> It their line just needs to match our
» It their line just needs to match our
line because they're paying a third of
it. So, whatever description we updated
to, it should correlate to speak to the
residents. That's not us directing them.
I I can't remember what we decided
[clears throat] the terminology was at
the last meeting, but we we said to
update the description, and if they're
matching that third, why would the
description not be able to match?
Um, well, I think what he's saying is it
can match to say EDC coordinator, but it
wouldn't necessarily match.
>> Could we just state bureau verat
» Could we just state bureau verat
contract with city or it doesn't have to
even say the company, but we need to
specify a little bit more because this
looks like we could be hiring someone
for this city
>> in my opinion.
» in my opinion.
>> I would have put the word contract,
» I would have put the word contract,
>> EDC coordinator, one-third contract,
» EDC coordinator, one-third contract,
something like that.
>> It just cleans it up.
» It just cleans it up.
>> Okay. I know the may I know the mayor
» Okay. I know the may I know the mayor
said a while ago that typically it's
always been it's third and a third and
third between A and B and council or A
and B and the city.
>> Um but I don't know does A know even
» Um but I don't know does A know even
know about this that we're wanting to do
this or not?
>> No. Oh well the third third has always
» No. Oh well the third third has always
been done that way.
>> Well but does this does type A know
» Well but does this does type A know
about this economic developer? Because
if they did they would have probably put
on their budget. So that makes me think
they didn't know about it.
I believe they passed their budget
before this.
>> Very well. So,
» Very well. So,
>> but the other aspect in looking at this
» but the other aspect in looking at this
is okay, we do a third, a third, a third
and I observe that uh
uh type B consumes probably
80%
of that manpower
and everybody else is. So to look at B a
separate corporation
to ask them to pay
the same amount B should be paying a
higher percentage of that use.
>> Okay. I I disagree because this is for
» Okay. I I disagree because this is for
the benefit of the entire city and also
we don't want it to where they're
working for type B. They should be
working for the whole city. My
suggestion would be since we don't have
type A on board, take what uh type B did
because that says 1/3, times it by two,
we'll cover 2/3 salary and benefit under
our line item for this year and then
give them a small budget to get them
going while we get them hired and on
board. That would be my suggestion. And
if next year
>> Yeah, I agree. Which is 10334
» Yeah, I agree. Which is 10334
is double. But then so that would go
into our general fund where it says
economic development and change from the
125.
>> Yes. Yes. And then we do a separate line
» Yes. Yes. And then we do a separate line
item for budget. What was that number?
103
>> 103 334.
» 103 334.
>> 10334.
» 10334.
>> Okay. What are you changing? What page?
» Okay. What are you changing? What page?
>> Um, so it's I'll have to find the page
» Um, so it's I'll have to find the page
again. So on the type B, we're not
changing anything besides updating EDC
coordinator to say
um contract. But if you go to page 32,
well, no, we you created a whole new
>> Yeah. So it would be the new general
» Yeah. So it would be the new general
budget.
>> Yeah, it' be the new general.
» Yeah, it' be the new general.
>> Would you do it below? It says economic
» Would you do it below? It says economic
development. Would you just add it to
the 125 or do you want it like called
out something different?
>> We need to call
» We need to call
>> if you want to break it out. Yeah.
» if you want to break it out. Yeah.
Because if it's part of it's going to be
salary and benefits and then
>> we'll put out their Medicare and all the
» we'll put out their Medicare and all the
things. So I guess under the economic
development and expenditures on the
general fund, we'd add an additional
>> we'd do line item 10334 for salary and
» we'd do line item 10334 for salary and
benefits and then we need to talk about
a budget and that would
>> I don't think we break it out anymore
» I don't think we break it out anymore
because we need to wait till they get in
here and tell us what they need. We
don't want to
>> So do you not want to keep the 125 as
» So do you not want to keep the 125 as
the budget already set? No, I would
change it to the 103334 and then do a
separate line item of budget.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Which the question is you're going to
» Which the question is you're going to
about six months to make sure you find
the right person
in the speed of city. So, how much of a
budget do you think they need for 6
months as they're getting in here? I
would say maybe 50,000.
>> I say 50. I think 50 is fair.
» I say 50. I think 50 is fair.
>> It's not 50.
» It's not 50.
>> What page are you making this change on?
» What page are you making this change on?
We're looking at the the general budget
updated sheet that
>> I can't call out by page because that we
» I can't call out by page because that we
created a new
>> Yeah, I believe it was an admin before.
» Yeah, I believe it was an admin before.
>> Yeah, it was it was on page 30. I was
» Yeah, it was it was on page 30. I was
just on I'm sorry,
>> but we It was on page 32 before
» but we It was on page 32 before
>> 32.
» 32.
>> It was, but she's creating a new
» It was, but she's creating a new
department or however you want to.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Jazz, where are you getting the 50,000?
» Jazz, where are you getting the 50,000?
Because if we're given if that they're
budgeting 50 and then we're judging 100.
So
>> So if you if you look at their words,
» So if you if you look at their words,
yeah, if you look at their words for it
says for salaries and benefits, they did
not say anything about covering their
expenses. So that's something we can
also bring to type B. I think next year
we get ahead of the budget and pre talk
to both of these boards about truly
covering because the expenses will be a
lot more the following year as this
person gets hired on and has a plan for
the city. But I think 50,000 should be
enough for them to get in here, learn
the city, do what they need to do, and
if not, we can amend if there's an
emergent need.
>> Well, maybe we can start doing the
» Well, maybe we can start doing the
budget stuff like in June and start
>> that's how it should be.
» that's how it should be.
>> So, are you wanting me to show salary
» So, are you wanting me to show salary
and benefits 51667?
>> No, it should be double because we're
» No, it should be double because we're
going to cover 2/3 since we don't have
type A um on board.
>> So, that would be 103334.
» So, that would be 103334.
Correct, Tanya?
>> Correct. And then a $50,000
» Correct. And then a $50,000
budget for
>> expenses.
» expenses.
>> Expenses, not personal, for city
» Expenses, not personal, for city
expenses.
>> Okay. So that's about 25,000 over what
» Okay. So that's about 25,000 over what
we already have. Okay.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> I think we had thought type A was going
» I think we had thought type A was going
to be in here, but since it's not kind
of puts a pickle in it.
Okay. Um, moving on from
that line, I think the other biggest
change to their budget
um
is them anticipating some special
projects.
um they pretty much kept their um
operations and maintenance and and um
professional services about the same.
But if you look on page 230,
they have put in 2,330,000
for future projects.
>> Yeah. Page 230.
spells it out.
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> Page 261 breaks it out.
Mayor
>> Yes, ma'am.
» Yes, ma'am.
>> May I start conversation about this?
» May I start conversation about this?
>> Pardon?
» Pardon?
>> Can I start talking about this?
» Can I start talking about this?
>> Sure.
» Sure.
>> Okay. So, I have a question for the
» Okay. So, I have a question for the
1 million. Oh, wait. Where did it go? It
changed it.
So,
>> oh, the 1 million east of 156 south of
» oh, the 1 million east of 156 south of
Hlet Parkways.
I have no problem with a park on that
side of town. That's where I live. I do
have a problem with us putting a budget
forth for something that we don't even
know where it's going to go. We don't
even have a plan in mind and we're
saying we're going to spend a million on
it next year. Um,
also I have questions about the process.
If you guys don't have problems with
that, then I just have a questions about
the process. I just think we're supposed
to be budgeting what we're going to
spend. If we don't even have land,
I definitely have questions.
>> What's the east of 156 south of Where is
» What's the east of 156 south of Where is
that? You said you they're just calling
for a park somewhere on that side of
town.
>> That's what they're saying. They want
» That's what they're saying. They want
this is this is to appease Sweetg Grass
and a little bit of Careway because they
were promised a park
>> and a lot of the money that they
» and a lot of the money that they
um contributed when they built their
house went to the park funds. And I I
think part of it they were promised by
the developers a park on that side of
the town. But I also think we need to
clear up the verbiage here that the park
funds provided from those houses, it
[snorts] was for all of the city of
Hasslet. It never anywhere stipulated
that it had to go to Careway or Sweet
Grass. Um, which isn't really fair to
all those that were lied to. I was one
of the people that were lied to. Um, I
would love a park over there.
I just have a problem with a general
statement. I guess
>> I think
» I think
>> I would like to interject here. It is in
» I would like to interject here. It is in
our ordinance that those park fund fees
that each home site pays
>> goes to the general fund.
» goes to the general fund.
>> Yeah. Yes. That's what that's what I'm
» Yeah. Yes. That's what that's what I'm
saying. You said we need to clarify the
language. The ordinance does clarify
that.
>> I know. But for people that don't know
» I know. But for people that don't know
all the ordinances, they don't
understand. They think we paid for a
park. We should be getting a park. And
and I agree when
>> the developer speaks a lot on our behalf
» the developer speaks a lot on our behalf
that we don't agree with.
>> Yes. But I'm just saying since we're
» Yes. But I'm just saying since we're
speaking on it right now, I think it's
important that we clarify the city has
not done anything wrong by spending the
money on the the main park in the city.
But you can understand residents
frustration that they're the main
contributors and it's hard for them to
access. That said, a general statement
for a park where no land is identified.
I I have concerns and questions.
>> I would like to make this. Okay. Uh
» I would like to make this. Okay. Uh
you're discussing Ty's budget.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Well, their future projects specifically
» Well, their future projects specifically
>> their future projects. Well, this is
» their future projects. Well, this is
their budget. They're a separate
corporation. Yes.
>> And we're just in the enabling entity.
» And we're just in the enabling entity.
That's what the city is. U now they have
these funds in here. They can't spend
any of this money until they turn that
into a project, have a resolution, and
it goes before the city council for
approval.
>> These are just numbers. So that was that
» These are just numbers. So that was that
was what I said at the beginning by
understanding the process because I
understood that for the park that we're
working on um right now where there was
back and forth if they had the funds
available my understanding is that they
wouldn't have to come back to city
council. Is that different? So that's
that is a question I had.
>> Excuse me. Say the park
» Excuse me. Say the park
>> the park that the park the playground
» the park that the park the playground
>> yeah because my understanding is if
» yeah because my understanding is if
they'd come in under budget they
wouldn't have had to come back to
council. So, how is that different with
a new So, if we gave them a million
dollars and they went out and got a bid
and all that, do they have to come back
before city council for approval? That
was what I was
>> Yes. Correct. Yes. With the resolution
» Yes. Correct. Yes. With the resolution
>> to spend the remainder of the money
» to spend the remainder of the money
>> to So, say the park came in at 800,000.
» to So, say the park came in at 800,000.
Yes.
>> Can they just go do it or do they have
» Can they just go do it or do they have
to come back to city council?
>> We would have had to approve that they
» We would have had to approve that they
could spend up to a million prior
today. They were just saying, "Okay,
we'll let them budget this amount." And
then once they find the project, fund
it, then they'll come to us and say,
>> um, we want to use 900,000 for this
» um, we want to use 900,000 for this
project resolution. What do you think?
And we'll say yes or no.
>> So, they will have to come before us,
» So, they will have to come before us,
correct, with the location and what
their resolution, all the details,
>> and adopt it, formally adopt it. They
» and adopt it, formally adopt it. They
adopt it formally as a project and
submit it to the city council for
approval. This is just Mayor May I be
recognized?
>> It be a project definition and the
» It be a project definition and the
amount.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Mayor, may I be recognized?
» May I be recognized?
>> Say that again.
» Say that again.
>> May I be recognized, sir?
» May I be recognized, sir?
>> Yes. Uh EDCB's intent this year, as has
» Yes. Uh EDCB's intent this year, as has
been uh conveyed a couple of times, but
EDCB's con intent this year is to by
budgeting these listing these projects
out in its budget uh in accordance with
state law that if that is budgeted and
that uh these projects get approved that
that and the mayor is correct, there
would be resolution, there would be uh
public hearings, but that that would
basically start the 60-day process as
opposed to them going throughout
throughout the year with this project,
that project. It is it does not mean
that the listing right here is the
extent of that project. Um there those
projects would still be spelled out, but
the intent is that that would be
happening basically on the front end of
their budget as opposed to through
throughout the year project by project.
>> This well I uh that's not correct. That
» This well I uh that's not correct. That
60-day process starts after the
resolution and the adoption of the
project. And the matter being he gives
the public time to come back and
respond.
>> Now this they can't spend any of this
» Now this they can't spend any of this
money. This is not project approval.
>> And I did not state that this was
» And I did not state that this was
project approval, sir. But this process
has been laid out by their attorney as
well. Um that they can through the
budgeting process that they can start
this process. does not mean that just it
being on this sheet is uh intended as
that
>> of that attorney's analysis.
» of that attorney's analysis.
>> I'll be happy to speak with the EDC
» I'll be happy to speak with the EDC
president and and to get you that
attorney's analysis.
>> Get that.
» Get that.
>> Yes, sir.
» Yes, sir.
>> Okay. If that's the case, if we still
» Okay. If that's the case, if we still
get kind of them coming to us, then I I
don't care. It's their their budget. Um
anybody
>> Okay. I had I want to just add that
» Okay. I had I want to just add that
since there's two things on here that
are well three I guess that are park
related like the smart lockers and the
adult changing table that we still I'm
okay approving this but but it still
needs to at some point go through the
process of the parks board to make sure
>> that they're good with the smart
» that they're good with the smart
location uh or smart locker location or
they're good with the adult changing
table implementation that we're not um
circumventing that board's impact on
these on these projects. as well.
>> We did put it in writing that it's
» We did put it in writing that it's
required to go to them. So,
um any I guess one final question I had
or not even question more I'm hoping
council will agree. I see on here that
they want to travel to ICSC cornet or
something like that. They put 10,000
travel expenses and I think that's great
that they go. I think as a city we're
not ready to represent ourselves yet. I
think we need to get that econom e
economic development manager or director
on before we are doing our own booth.
And if that makes sense, I think they
should go and learn this year. I think
that'd be great, but I think we need to
get our stuff together a little bit more
before we start selling ourselves.
>> Do you read this as they're going to
» Do you read this as they're going to
actually participate or just go and
>> I am attend?
» I am attend?
>> I'm not sure. and I spoke to them and I
» I'm not sure. and I spoke to them and I
don't think they're sure yet either, but
I I think it's really important and when
when you look into it cuz I did do some
research, it's very important that we're
presenting ourselves correctly the first
time and we have someone experienced in
presenting the city. Um, not necessarily
the volunteers of the city, even though
I think what they're doing is great, we
just need to make sure we're doing it
right the first time.
>> So, how would we clarify that on
» So, how would we clarify that on
>> I think going to learn is a great idea.
» I think going to learn is a great idea.
>> Yeah,
» Yeah,
>> that that's what I think this year
» that that's what I think this year
should be. And I I really hope that the
economic development manager is hired by
then. But
>> could the Could this Well, no, we can't
» could the Could this Well, no, we can't
change this. I'm just saying could it
say attending and not participating? I
don't [clears throat] know if
>> I think that's just a conversation with
» I think that's just a conversation with
a conversation.
>> I think it's a conversation. I just
» I think it's a conversation. I just
wanted to see if you guys agreed.
>> Where does it
» Where does it
>> It just says traveling to
» It just says traveling to
>> 238
» 238
260
>> on your binder top left corner.
» on your binder top left corner.
>> He's asking where it says participate.
» He's asking where it says participate.
It doesn't say that. So Joe, could you
just make sure that the HC EDC type B
understands that from council? We don't
want them setting up a booth and
presenting, but more going to learn if
that's what they're doing this year
while we get that economic development
director
>> in place
» in place
>> in place
» in place
>> because that happens in Januaryish that
» because that happens in Januaryish that
convention. Do you know?
I believe it's later in the year, but
the the main one they do different
things, but I believe the main one's uh
>> I think it's
» I think it's
>> later in the year because I believe this
» later in the year because I believe this
the one for this year I believe just
passed two or three months ago.
>> Yes, May.
» Yes, May.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> It took place in May.
» It took place in May.
>> So,
» So,
>> yeah.
» yeah.
>> Watch it.
» Watch it.
Mr. Mayor,
>> since we're done with that discussion,
» since we're done with that discussion,
um I don't know if it's appropriate or
not, but is there any way we could have
uh Mike Anderson go ahead and do his
piece because he's paid by the hour by
the city and he's already sat here for
an hour and a half.
>> Understood. Uh Marcy is in the middle of
» Understood. Uh Marcy is in the middle of
her presentation. Let her close, let her
finish this out. It should not take a
long time, but understand it's all
dependent upon the discussion that you
have. So, I need to understand, are you
disapproving the EDC type B budget right
now?
>> No, we're approving it as it's stated.
» No, we're approving it as it's stated.
Joe's just going to provide additional
clarification and we're just cleaning up
the verbiage for one line. Marcy,
>> they cleaned up verbiage on the line and
» they cleaned up verbiage on the line and
then they made a change in the general
fund, but they did not make any changes
to type B other than description.
>> I did have one other question on type B
» I did have one other question on type B
on page 241. And it says park
bench/cannopy 2025 and I had I don't
know why but I had written down 6463. Is
that completed? Is that there's nothing
budgeted. I was just
h it's completed.
>> Yeah, it shows that it is expended 2425
» Yeah, it shows that it is expended 2425
5,863.
>> Oh, then it says above it 5863. Right.
» Oh, then it says above it 5863. Right.
So I'm not but nothing's in the actual
um columns.
>> I think it's done.
» I think it's done.
>> It's done.
» It's done.
>> Finished.
» Finished.
>> Complete. Thank you.
Okay. The ne the next one is type A. T
type A really made no significant
changes to their budget. Um
I don't know that um
>> can I unless
» can I unless
>> you have some question oh sorry mayor.
» you have some question oh sorry mayor.
>> Yes ma'am.
» Yes ma'am.
>> What what is the intent and purpose of
» What what is the intent and purpose of
our taipe? And I'm asking this because
we're going over the budget. So I just
need to understand because they don't
meet very frequently. I feel like we
have a pretty decent amount of money
just sitting there.
>> Uh then I I'll give you that.
» Uh then I I'll give you that.
>> Uh
» Uh
type A was uh established purely for
industrial type projects. State law
established it that way. And
[clears throat] uh type B was
established. It could do industrial
projects, but it's uh it was established
by uh legislators so that
that economic development corporation
could expend funds on the city itself.
They recognized, oh, if they could if
the they had an economic development
corporation that could spend money on a
park or help build water lines for the
municipality or help build a road that
enhances the municipality, makes it more
attractive indirectly making it
improving the economic development
viability of the municipality. That was
fundamental row and probably
I'm going to say two legislations ago or
maybe might have been three six years
>> the legislators made a change that type
» the legislators made a change that type
A
was no longer limited to just industrial
projects
that they could expend money as
type B does on municipal projects.
>> Okay. So, can I ask you a question?
» Okay. So, can I ask you a question?
>> One more thing. The meetings, it's in
» One more thing. The meetings, it's in
their bylaws.
They meet at least once a quarter.
>> I I understand. But the the question is
» I I understand. But the the question is
like what are they doing to to really
assist the city at this point? I I
understand they're you're saying they're
for industrial.
>> We haven't asked them. The city has not
» We haven't asked them. The city has not
asked them. the the primary you know
when these EDCs were established
originally in Hasslet, Texas and as well
as currently as many cities use their
EDCs.
>> They are a funding source.
» They are a funding source.
>> I mean but that funding
» I mean but that funding
>> they don't say go out and hunt for
» they don't say go out and hunt for
things to do.
>> No, I understand. But that funding would
» No, I understand. But that funding would
go back to the general fund if we were
to like dissolve the type A. My my
question being right now when industrial
wouldn't it would what what would
happen?
>> No, this is its own fund. So um
» No, this is its own fund. So um
they're they're it's much like type um
B's budget. They're budgeting just in
case. The last time they had an
incentive was with composits one and
composits one was required to add
certain number of jobs and you know
things like that but they don't pay the
incentive until all those requirements
are met and the company makes the
application for reimbursement
>> and so that's the last one they've had.
» and so that's the last one they've had.
It's been many years that agreement has
expired. They never ask for any
reimbursement under it. So, it's really
just a placeholder
um for that. But
>> the the economic direct development
» the the economic direct development
director
as they would do their job, they'd look
to type A or B to if a company came
asking for an incentive or any kind of,
you know, um in rebate agreement or
something like that, then they would
have worked through that. Okay. that
director the director would have
approached the council. You want me to
ask type A and B? You know, yes. So then
he'd work all that.
>> But is there a reason that a small city
» But is there a reason that a small city
like Hasllett would have a type A and
type B? Like Ronoke, they used to have a
type B. From what I can tell, they no
longer have a type B.
>> What?
» What?
>> I can answer that.
» I can answer that.
>> Okay, go for it.
» Okay, go for it.
>> That's not question.
» That's not question.
>> The uh is the amount of tax revenue that
» The uh is the amount of tax revenue that
you collect. you can collect the city in
itself is limited to 1%
the city
>> so we get 1% on every dollar spent on
» so we get 1% on every dollar spent on
taxes
when you have a type A
and or B
they can each get up to a maximum of 1%
each
>> may or may I'm sorry to interrupt
» may or may I'm sorry to interrupt
>> say again
» say again
>> I was asking to be recognized but I
» I was asking to be recognized but I
Didn't realize I was interrupting you. I
apologize.
>> No, you were saying something. What were
» No, you were saying something. What were
you saying?
>> I I was going to ask Well, uh just that
» I I was going to ask Well, uh just that
the state did change at one point that
>> the one the the 1 cent can go to two
» the one the the 1 cent can go to two
cents, but it does take a a an
allocation to reallocate the sale an
election an election to reallocate.
>> Yes, they are set up that way now.
» Yes, they are set up that way now.
That's when they were adopted.
>> Uh right now, type B gets 1%.
» Uh right now, type B gets 1%.
>> No. And the city No, excuse me.
» No. And the city No, excuse me.
city gets one
between A, B, and the uh street fund,
they get 1%.
>> Mhm.
» Mhm.
>> A gets a half percent
» A gets a half percent
or B gets a half percent. A gets a
quarter and the street fund gets a
>> of the sales tax. So, uh, when it was
» of the sales tax. So, uh, when it was
established,
if you did not establish A and B, you
would not get all those revenues.
>> Mr. Mayor,
» Mr. Mayor,
>> yes.
» yes.
>> May I
» May I
>> Yes, sir.
» Yes, sir.
>> add something. Um, last week Tanya and I
» add something. Um, last week Tanya and I
went to that TML conference and they
said actually a lot of uh small towns
have transitioned away from EDC's
because of the change in the state law
>> that still allows you to to get that tax
» that still allows you to to get that tax
money, but they're moving more towards a
community uh corporation where it's it's
not a EDC board any longer, but it's
they can have the whole 2% in that one
place and it's more directed by the city
council.
>> Mhm. And it does take an election, but
» Mhm. And it does take an election, but
EDC's, a lot of EDCs have gone away in
smaller towns like ours because of the
change in the state law that happened
several years ago. And so that might be
something that we could look at.
>> I agree.
» I agree.
>> Um because they went over that
» Um because they went over that
extensively at that conference that we
went to last week and I think it was
very beneficial for us to be there.
>> I also also would love to look at the
» I also also would love to look at the
Amazon agreement and see if they have
met all of the requirements of what was
set in that. Did they hire the right
people? or do they do they do the
correct
>> do they keep the number of
» do they keep the number of
>> keep the number of um revenue or
» keep the number of um revenue or
whatever the the restrictions were or
the expectations were have they have
they done that
>> because they brought up a story at TML
» because they brought up a story at TML
where there was an incentive agreement
like that and somebody audited all of
the things that they were they supposed
to do this this this and this and they
missed it by like two employees and they
were able to void the contract. So, I
think we need to be looking at that as
Tanya said as well. Um, because we pay
them what, half a million dollars a year
to be here.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> And I don't know if anyone has looked at
» And I don't know if anyone has looked at
to make sure that they are meeting those
requirements because if it was you're
going to have to have so many employees
and now they've automated their entire
>> their entire warehouse for example,
» their entire warehouse for example,
they're not meeting those employee
requirements anymore. So, possibly.
>> So, that's a good idea. you can make a
» So, that's a good idea. you can make a
note is to perform an audit if we need
to hire somebody to perform an audit on
the Amazon agreement.
>> I would just I would say they provide
» I would just I would say they provide
documentation every year when they ask
for reimbursement on that but they have
not we have not ever audited it.
>> Would it that be something that the type
» Would it that be something that the type
A would do?
>> Question. I mean
» Question. I mean
>> what
» what
>> uh
» uh
>> or fund if it needs to be
» or fund if it needs to be
>> yes you guys are saying that they make
» yes you guys are saying that they make
those agreements would they not fund
what's needed to audit
>> I don't know that a made that agreement
» I don't know that a made that agreement
with Amazon that was city of pass
>> that was it
» that was it
>> that was city of pass that did that
» that was city of pass that did that
>> goes back to why did we have a type A
» goes back to why did we have a type A
then because I also know several
industrial buildings have come before us
and I don't believe they've gone to type
B or type A either so I'm just wondering
what they're doing
what what a is doing.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> They will they they will do what with
» They will they they will do what with
what the city of house goes and
requests.
>> Mr. Mayor,
» Mr. Mayor,
>> yes,
» yes,
>> if I'm reading this right, so they have
» if I'm reading this right, so they have
like their current budget is 2.7 million
and I'm looking on page 251 of their
future projects. There's nothing.
um
feel like I mean like they got $2.7
almost $3 million and they have no
future projects. They have nothing. So I
feel like we need to start giving them
some jobs. I know they only meet every
quarter, but we need to start either we
need to we need to fix that.
>> Clarify they're required to meet every
» Clarify they're required to meet every
quarter. They could meet more frequently
than that. You can always do more. You
just correct. They just have to meet at
>> quarterly. There's nothing wrong with
» quarterly. There's nothing wrong with
that. Well, we either they meet, you
know, that we take advantage of them
meeting every quarter and we give them
stuff to do that. We ask them to do
things or but for their future projects,
they have nothing and they have almost
$3 million in their budget or their So
that that's something very
>> it's not until the last two budgets, I
» it's not until the last two budgets, I
believe, this budget and budget
previous, maybe the one prior to that,
but did type B start listing money on
projects. Here's a project project
project and setting money out there.
>> Wonderful.
» Wonderful.
>> And they were council.
» And they were council.
You can do that, but it means nothing.
You cannot spend that money until you go
through the formal process of adopting
the project,
identifying the project, establishing
the amount of money that it will be, and
forwarding that with the resolution to
the city to approve the project.
There's a process for each one of those
projects.
>> I understand that. I think I think what
» I understand that. I think I think what
Jazz was saying a while ago, we need to
understand what type A does. We know
what type B does. We know what all they
can do. We need to find out what they
can what type A does to where we can be
able to call them and be like, hey,
>> can y'all do this and do what?
» can y'all do this and do what?
>> Yeah, like you're saying, work on this.
» Yeah, like you're saying, work on this.
>> Work on this and hey, can y'all do this
» Work on this and hey, can y'all do this
for us? Um, hey, can y'all make a
project? Can y'all look into this?
Because I don't really know what type A
does. You said there a lot of industrial
or whatever. Um, but I think if we can
maybe get a list of what type A does,
then I wouldn't be opposed to emailing
them or calling them like, "Hey, can you
add this?" Because they've got money.
They could be helping out the city and
it's just sitting here doing nothing.
>> Uh, then I would encourage you to read
» Uh, then I would encourage you to read
local government code starting with
chapter 501.
>> Okay. Um, I
» Okay. Um, I
there are 501, 502, 503, 504. Mayor.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> And that will tell you what
» And that will tell you what
>> I thought you recognized me.
» I thought you recognized me.
>> A and B can do
» A and B can do
>> but please read that
» but please read that
>> and I've read that and it just it's
» and I've read that and it just it's
still determining what they are doing
for us currently. But
regardless, I think we wait until this
economic development manager or director
is brought on because they will give us
guidance on what these boards can or
what they can be doing and what they
should be doing and they should give us
direction on
what you were speaking of whether it
would benefit us or not. They'll have
that experience if we hire the right
person. also is 501 will tell you about
this other type of corporation you were
speaking of
>> how that can be created. See, the
» how that can be created. See, the
economic development corporations aren't
particularly limited to a city, any
entity. Public implation
of dissolving or
defining or wanting to know understand
what state statute allows you to do.
>> I agree. Thank you.
» I agree. Thank you.
>> Good.
» Okay. Are there any other questions on a
type A?
» Um page 255 is a hotel motto occupancy
tax. Um, we're basically collecting the
tax, but we've not identified
uh anything that qualifies for the funds
to be spent on as a project.
>> You mean like a troll?
» You mean like a troll?
>> Yep. Uh, are there any questions on
» Yep. Uh, are there any questions on
that?
» So, just for uh everyone to know and it
to be on video, what can the hotel tax
be spent on? It could be spent on
wayfinding to the hotels that the
>> the one we have
» the one we have
>> collect and any kind of um
» collect and any kind of um
tourist type u attraction or um
wayfinding to a convention center
u
>> public art.
» public art.
>> Yeah, public art. the the control of it
» Yeah, public art. the the control of it
is
>> you can expend [snorts]
» you can expend [snorts]
>> money on signage and advertising.
» money on signage and advertising.
Yeah, we can advertise any of the, you
know, events that your city may be
hosting
>> that will cause increased hotel stay,
» that will cause increased hotel stay,
>> right? Which does not include a
» right? Which does not include a
fireworks show, for example, because
that was a discussion at TML as well.
You can't use it for fireworks, right?
>> It has to be heads and beds, as they
» It has to be heads and beds, as they
said.
>> That's right.
» That's right.
>> But we can use it for public art,
» But we can use it for public art,
>> right?
» right?
>> Public art.
» Public art.
>> So, public art
» So, public art
>> if it will entice people to stay in a
» if it will entice people to stay in a
hotel. That's the whole point. You're
trying to get people to stay overnight
in your hotels because not only you
going to get some hotel tax money,
they're going to spend money in the
restaurants and things of that nature.
So, it is you can do expend that fun
money to entice people to stay in a
hotel.
>> You know what would get people to stay
» You know what would get people to stay
in hotels? Baseball tournaments. I'm
just saying.
On page 257 is the Municipal Court
Security Fund.
On 261 is the Municipal Court Technology
Fund.
And these two funds, their names pretty
much say what they're for. Um, these are
fees that are assessed on uh a m
municipal court fine. a portion of those
fees go towards uh funding these two
funds. Now, last uh legislature, they
decided to do away with these funds
because they are um they don't generate
a lot of revenue and so a lot of small
towns like us um have a hard time
expending them for what their purpose is
to provide security for the municipal
core or technology for the municipal
court. So last year what they decided to
do was make a combined municipal court
security technology fund which you'll
see on page 269.
So we are discontinuing
funds um going into uh fund 13 and 14.
No revenues are coming in but we're
expending until those funds are
exhausted. The new the revenue we're
collecting is actually going into fund
16.
But we haven't really expended anything
from there because we haven't exhausted
the other two funds. But these funds
are, you know, like I said, something
that um is added on to the court fines
um to be spent on security and
technology.
>> Just to clarify, once 13 and 14 are
» Just to clarify, once 13 and 14 are
completely exhausted, they'll go away.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Thank you.
On page 265 is uh fund 15 which is city
parks improvement fund.
This is where the uh development fees
are um received. There's interest
income. Those are the revenue sources
um for this fund.
Excuse [clears throat] me.
And then um you'll see that there in the
current year there's several projects
that were ongoing expecting those to be
uh completed
uh if not completed carried forward. But
then for um next year there's 210,000
um added for uh electric service line
and receptacles at community park.
Any question?
>> I was just saying trash cans are really
» I was just saying trash cans are really
expensive.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> So, is this Marcy
» So, is this Marcy
>> um
» um
under this 2526 we're at 763,000
and when it's lined out 250 of that is
community park playground.
>> Mhm.
» Mhm.
>> Is that part of the 800,000 that we're
» Is that part of the 800,000 that we're
talking about for the
replacement of the playground equipment
or is that something else? That's
something else.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> I'm not sure. But it was something that
» I'm not sure. But it was something that
was in the current year and I can't
remember what it was.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Oh, no. I'm not sure what that is.
» Oh, no. I'm not sure what that is.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Wait. So then we've got over a million
» Wait. So then we've got over a million
for community park.
>> I'm sorry.
» I'm sorry.
>> So then we have over a million for
» So then we have over a million for
community park.
>> Looks like it.
» Looks like it.
>> If that's carried forward.
» If that's carried forward.
>> Yeah. It's near March, but it might not
» Yeah. It's near March, but it might not
get spent. [clears throat]
>> So should we maybe take the other 300
» So should we maybe take the other 300
out and leave this 250?
>> I think every dollar we can put towards
» I think every dollar we can put towards
the parks would be a good thing. I think
we have to be reasonable for the size of
city we are.
>> I understand but it hasn't been
» I understand but it hasn't been
>> really all we have going for us or the
» really all we have going for us or the
parks right now.
>> I don't know.
» I don't know.
>> The bathrooms need to be replaced.
» The bathrooms need to be replaced.
>> We have all kinds of stuff.
» We have all kinds of stuff.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> The way I look at it is we're we're a
» The way I look at it is we're we're a
small town, but just because we're a
small town doesn't mean we can't have
nice things.
>> We could change community park instead
» We could change community park instead
of playground. It could just be
community park park and we we take out
the word playground so it can be more um
universally used for like I said um like
restrooms or um electricity or it means
something else.
>> Keep it.
» Keep it.
>> It was in last year's budget. It's not
» It was in last year's budget. It's not
this year's
>> project is in the current year.
» project is in the current year.
>> That was last year.
» That was last year.
>> Oh, okay.
» Oh, okay.
>> Yeah, that was last year's budget.
» Yeah, that was last year's budget.
>> 268.
» 268.
>> Okay. So, it's been
» Okay. So, it's been
>> the 250,000. Yeah. Is that a carryover
» the 250,000. Yeah. Is that a carryover
or is it was last year?
>> It was Well, right now it's just listed
» It was Well, right now it's just listed
as last year's year, but just not
>> not carried over. Okay.
» not carried over. Okay.
>> I don't know.
» I don't know.
>> So, I think that was the original fall
» So, I think that was the original fall
zones and uh swing sets that were in
community park. It's the one that's next
to the basketball court. And I think
they thought at one time that would
replace in kind the exact playground
that was there. So,
>> I think that was the original scope of
» I think that was the original scope of
this one.
>> So, this wasn't So, this wasn't spent
» So, this wasn't So, this wasn't spent
Okay.
>> So, does this carry forward or does it
» So, does this carry forward or does it
just go away?
>> Goes away.
» Goes away.
>> It'll just go back into their balance.
» It'll just go back into their balance.
>> Okay. James,
» Okay. James,
>> it's not needed.
» it's not needed.
>> Sorry, Marcy.
» Sorry, Marcy.
>> U was the upper tap trail crossing drain
» U was the upper tap trail crossing drain
improvements. Is that what you uh
worked?
>> That was I was just asking is that the
» That was I was just asking is that the
is that the project you did that goes
under the bridge that you kind of
reworked all that last year? That was
the That was the drainage crossing at
the far at the west end of the park
>> where the tap trail goes across. And
» where the tap trail goes across. And
then we also did underneath the 156
bridge, but those were all those
drainage improvements.
>> Okay, that's what that is. Okay,
» Okay, that's what that is. Okay,
>> I'm sorry.
» I'm sorry.
>> This upper 10 trail cross improve.
» Oh, okay.
>> I was completed. I'll just ask I'll just
» I was completed. I'll just ask I'll just
clarify what that project was. I do have
a question about the UG electrical
service line and receptacles because we
have several line items for trash cans
for the parks this year. So, just trying
to figure out what's going on with that.
>> Okay. We in our on andm budget because
» Okay. We in our on andm budget because
it wasn't enough to be a capital, we
asked to replace the existing trash cans
that were in community park and Gamble.
They've been there for the better half
of 20 years and they're
>> Wasn't enough at the 4th of July. I
» Wasn't enough at the 4th of July. I
think trash was all over the ground. We
just asked uh pretty much replace all
those with something that's going to
hold up hopefully for another 20 years.
Uh then we had a list of park projects
that the park board had identified and
we've done like a lot of those were the
uh drainage improvements. But this uh
the electric service line and
receptacles they desire to have around
the uh that kind of inner circle there
around the uh basketball court. They
want uh power for vendors and things
during uh events. And then also uh they
also I mean I don't think it lays it out
here, but they wanted the same thing
around the entire trail with improved
path lighting. Those were projects that
are just they were identified years ago
and they're slowly being funded. So
>> Okay. Got it.
» Okay. Got it.
>> So James, I have a little bit of a
» So James, I have a little bit of a
little bit of knowledge here. When you
say
providing power for vendors, does that
include the food trucks so they don't
have to bring generators and the blowup
so they don't have to bring generators?
>> Yeah, the 20 amp.
» Yeah, the 20 amp.
>> That'd be the idea. Yeah, it would be
» That'd be the idea. Yeah, it would be
it'd be an upgrade of the service and
then the intent is to provide power so
we don't we can cut down on some of the
noise and also
>> that would be amazing.
» that would be amazing.
>> Have better vendors that could, you
» Have better vendors that could, you
know, do more with that
>> because I know all the food trucks have
» because I know all the food trucks have
to have those big plugs or they have to
use generators. they can't just roll up
and do their thing. Um, so you're
putting you're starting to put some
plugs in in some places that they can we
can get rid of some of those generator.
>> Yeah, that's what this this project was
» Yeah, that's what this this project was
on that inner loop was to provide that
so when we have an event that they'd
have access to power and negate the need
for that,
>> right? Thank you, sir.
» right? Thank you, sir.
>> When when we're looking at that side
» When when we're looking at that side
note, can we just look at possibly
something for speakers for the 4th of
July because great show couldn't hear a
thing where everyone was sitting. I
don't know about anybody else that was
there, but you couldn't hear the music
going on with the show. So, even if it's
just plugs towards that front of the
park where we can plug in some speakers
so we can actually hear the music
>> be good.
» be good.
>> Were you there?
» Were you there?
>> I just did my own on my phone cuz I
» I just did my own on my phone cuz I
couldn't hear it either.
>> Yeah.
» Okay. Uh, next fund is page 273. It's a
library board fund. uh the library
board. Um this fund
provides money for the summer reading
club, some special projects that they
may have and any kind of uh small
furniture equipment. um some things that
um
it's very
>> did the um I'm sorry the um revenue that
» did the um I'm sorry the um revenue that
comes in um once again on the utility
bill when uh someone contributes to the
park fund. The general fund matches that
same donation um for the library.
So they have 15,000 of their own money
coming in and we're putting in 15,000.
Is that right?
>> No, that's [clears throat] their only
» No, that's [clears throat] their only
that's the only funds they have in
coming in besides interest income.
>> So where is our
» So where is our
>> the parks board gets 15,000 and that
» the parks board gets 15,000 and that
triggers what the general fund gives
parks board and library?
>> Library.
» Library.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> But they haven't asked for any increase
» But they haven't asked for any increase
in any of this. The library board. Okay.
Uh then on page 277
is the transportation sales tax fund.
And I'm not sure um if y'all want to
discuss that now or if you want to take
that up in capital. These are repair
projects um for streets. Uh that's the
purpose of the transportation sales tax.
It cannot be used to create a new road
um or rebuild a road. It's just for
maintenance of existing roads
>> and [clears throat] it's a funding
» and [clears throat] it's a funding
source.
>> Yes. And so the um the revenue for this
» Yes. And so the um the revenue for this
is the uh quarter cent sales tax and
interest income.
And then uh the project slated for next
year is a Hlet Park inter interim repair
um on the HMA. I'm not sure what that
stands for.
Um,
phase one striping plan
and Bane Road reconstruction.
Um, we were carrying that forward, but I
think maybe it maybe needs to be put
back in the current year if we're doing
the ILA. Will we be doing that before
October one?
>> Which one?
» Yeah, it's on there.
>> Mhm. Yes.
» Mhm. Yes.
be done before.
>> Okay. So, that'll be in the current
» Okay. So, that'll be in the current
year. Um,
>> wait. So, it won't carry over is what
» wait. So, it won't carry over is what
you're saying because it'll be done.
>> Yeah. We didn't think it was going to be
» Yeah. We didn't think it was going to be
done, but you all approved that ILA
Monday night. Okay.
>> So, um, and then, uh, Water Crest,
» So, um, and then, uh, Water Crest,
Verona, North Glenn, Wimberly. There's
some repairs uh in water crest that um
750,000 is allocated for.
>> Why did I I have written down one block
» Why did I I have written down one block
500,000. I mean I see the 750. I just
wonder what my notes were that I wrote
down one block 500,000 next to Water
Crest Verona. You'll explain that or why
did I write that?
>> Yes, ma'am. There was a Verona itself
» Yes, ma'am. There was a Verona itself
that 340 ft was about a half a million
dollars.
>> So that's what you
» So that's what you
>> in addition to the 750. Um, I believe we
» in addition to the 750. Um, I believe we
combined some other known um pavement
repairs uh on top of that 500.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Does that make sense?
» Does that make sense?
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Mayor.
» Mayor.
>> Yes, ma'am.
» Yes, ma'am.
>> Can I ask um kind of why Careway keeps
» Can I ask um kind of why Careway keeps
getting put off? This has been a problem
since the community was built. The front
drainage and the side drainage like
every year it just never happens. And
again, it got axed for this year, it
looks like, because I know we did some
simple um band-aid solutions that did
not work. So, do we
>> It's cuz we're working.
» It's cuz we're working.
>> Say that again.
» Say that again.
>> That place, I didn't hear the question.
» That place, I didn't hear the question.
>> Careway, the drainage issue on the two
» Careway, the drainage issue on the two
entrances for Careway where there's a
constant small pool of water. It keeps
getting put off. I know this past year
we've tried some band-aids. They
>> Yeah, there were two there's two sites.
» Yeah, there were two there's two sites.
One is at the main entry,
>> correct?
» correct?
>> And then the other is on is it
» And then the other is on is it
>> Syena
» Syena
>> Sienna?
» Sienna?
>> It's Yeah, it it's at the north entrance
» It's Yeah, it it's at the north entrance
of
>> Right. That's on the north end.
» Right. That's on the north end.
>> Correct.
» Correct.
>> And there I know that nothing has been
» And there I know that nothing has been
done with regard to the main entry.
>> That's always existed.
» That's always existed.
>> So,
» So,
>> and the Siana, they tried to u shave
» and the Siana, they tried to u shave
down the concrete.
>> It didn't work.
» It didn't work.
>> It didn't work. Yeah. and so but yes
» It didn't work. Yeah. and so but yes
u Mr. Tucker has a plan of action for
the entry at least that one. Tell us
what that is.
>> So to be clear, we did do foam
» So to be clear, we did do foam
injections on the entryway there. There
is no way to without rebuilding that to
to solve that issue. We did get minor
improvement on that. I guess as you exit
there in the front entrance as you exit,
it's not perfect by any means, but it is
not holding 4 in of water there. And and
one of the reasons is these are
cosmetic. I mean, they're they
definitely need to be fixed. They they
don't look good. They do need to be
fixed, but uh the ones in Water Crest,
they're drivability issues. So, as one
of the reasons why the priority has been
lower than what's in Water Crest and
North Glenn, because those are actual
pavement failures. The other ones are
holding water, but the road is stable
and it hasn't caused any major issue
besides you're driving through water
there. So, do we do we not have the
ability to work on both things at the
same time? Because the it looks like the
budget is definitely there. And I I
think I see that um Mr. Anderson has it
marked as
Where did it go?
>> And on the interest
» And on the interest
>> 200,000, we could at least get the
» 200,000, we could at least get the
design going, I would think, to fix
these roads because Careway in general
has a ton of drainage issues.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Yeah. I think one of the one of the
» Yeah. I think one of the one of the
things that we were trying to do on the
water crest uh the 750,000
I believe we we had taken the 500 we had
done a detailed cost estimate and
concept plan for Verona Drive there were
some u known deficiencies on Wimberly
but those those have been or are under
construction right now
>> correct we're taking those out of
» correct we're taking those out of
>> the so so what I would recommend is
» the so so what I would recommend is
you're right there's 200,000 that we put
in a as a wedge an estimate for the
entry
Um, we could look at doing trying to
come up with a concept. We need to get
surveying done because it's going to
involve drainage or installation of a
drainage um basin or an inlet as part of
this next year. And if there's if we
determine that it's a $150,000 fix, well
then presuming Verona costs $500,000,
there would be money to take care of it
with that item. Well, even if we just
take the Bane Road since that's going to
be done and move that 200,000 to Careway
so we can at least be looking at this
problem instead of pushing it even
further down the road because like you
said, this requires investigation.
Band-aids have been tried to be applied
and it's not solving the issue. And I
just want to make sure we're looking at
both the north um entrance and the main
entrance because they're they're both
equally pretty bad. I actually sent a
picture to Tanya. It's a constant pond.
Yeah, the entry is the worst of the two.
Michael,
>> since you did the phone, it depends. It
» since you did the phone, it depends. It
honestly depends. Um, lately, I don't
know if it's what you did maybe helped
slightly. The entrance, in my opinion,
has been slightly better, but
>> yeah, just the exit coming out of there.
» yeah, just the exit coming out of there.
We did notice that. I mean, I feel like
we got about 75% out of that and that
was an improvement. We get attempted on
the other one. There's very little they
can do because it does either need to be
reconstructed or really like you said a
collector and drained it off. There's
just it's so flat through there. There's
no way without changing harm in there to
get it to drain differently. So
collecting it and having it in a storm
drain is the answer in the very back.
That one is seasonal. So there is parts
of the year where there's so much
pavement moving. There's parts of the
year that it will drain. And there's
also parts where we had tons of rain,
tons of water, it swells and then it
holds up and it's so it's hard to judge
how bad that is. But the pavement is
holding up. But as far as for driving
through the water, it is absolutely I
mean not what you want.
>> As someone who walks that almost I mean
» As someone who walks that almost I mean
every few days, not right now because
it's August, but I I've never seen a
time where it's completely dried up in
front of that house. I don't think even
in the winter. I I've never seen it
completely.
>> No, it absolutely needs to be fixed. So,
» No, it absolutely needs to be fixed. So,
I'd love to see that done. And if that's
a solution, uh, Mike, on the cost, do we
ever do a cost estimate for the the one
in the very back of the neighborhood?
>> I think we have I think we put another
» I think we have I think we put another
200,000 in there for that
>> two or 250.
» two or 250.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Total or for like 200,000 for one,
» Total or for like 200,000 for one,
200,000 for
>> for each for each.
» for each for each.
>> Okay. So, then question for you. With
» Okay. So, then question for you. With
everything else you have going on, do
you think 200,000 this year is enough to
get you going with other priorities or
do you think you really need that full
amount for both to get moving?
>> I think if we're just trying to look at
» I think if we're just trying to look at
the design for for both of those, we
could probably do that for $50,000 or
less, the survey and the design.
>> You also need to investigate a little
» You also need to investigate a little
bit, right?
>> Yes, ma'am. But I we we've we've got
» Yes, ma'am. But I we we've we've got
enough information available from the
plans and uh the geotech. So, I think if
you if you wanted to get something
going, just put 50,000 in there.
>> I'm going to ask that the 200,000 from
» I'm going to ask that the 200,000 from
Bane be moved to the Careway R.
>> Do we need to change the title or is
» Do we need to change the title or is
that current Careway RC panel
replacement design repair entrance? Is
that good enough for both entrances?
>> Excuse me. You're moving. You want to
» Excuse me. You're moving. You want to
move You want to not do Bane Road.
>> They're saying that it's going to be
» They're saying that it's going to be
done this year,
>> so we won't need that. it was going to
» so we won't need that. it was going to
come off anyways.
>> Are we certain of that?
» Are we certain of that?
>> You're absolutely certain of that?
» You're absolutely certain of that?
>> I I don't believe that I said Bane Road
» I I don't believe that I said Bane Road
would be done this year.
>> So, no. I would recommend you not do
» So, no. I would recommend you not do
that.
>> Bane Bane Road. Let just just so
» Bane Bane Road. Let just just so
everybody knows that the plan with the
county based on the interlocal that you
all executed on Monday. Um they're going
to try to get to Bane Road first. The
countyy's targeting the end of August,
but it'll probably be September. And
then I don't know how how and when they
bill you.
>> I don't know exactly how long it's going
» I don't know exactly how long it's going
to take them. So So Bane and Maxwell are
probably will start this year, but the
funds will probably need to carry over
into next year. Well, I would leave it
>> Bane is in the current year and I just
» Bane is in the current year and I just
showed it on here because at the time I
did this, we didn't expect it would
start before the end of the year, but I
can move it back. I mean, it's not it's
currently it's 26.
>> So, if we start our original budget?
» So, if we start our original budget?
>> Yes, it was in our original budget.
» Yes, it was in our original budget.
>> Okay. So,
» Okay. So,
>> then move it back to 2526. Correct. And
» then move it back to 2526. Correct. And
what is not if it's not expended,
>> it'll carry forward. Yes.
» it'll carry forward. Yes.
>> And then I think on the Careway RC panel
» And then I think on the Careway RC panel
we put in this year's budget. Right now
it's 60,000.
>> No. Well, in this
» No. Well, in this
>> so I say we put 60,000 in the 2020. So
» so I say we put 60,000 in the 2020. So
we at least put the 60 we carry that
over.
>> I would like to put a little bit more
» I would like to put a little bit more
just in case it just in case it is a
simple fix and they get in there and
they're like, "Hey, we we can like you
said $100,000 can correct this. We have
it available." And if not, it carries
and it's
>> So you want to double it to 120 or you
» So you want to double it to 120 or you
want to do um
>> Sure.
» Sure.
>> You also have contingencies. So
» You also have contingencies. So
>> Sure. If we if we do 120, I feel like
» Sure. If we if we do 120, I feel like
that's enough to get them moving.
>> So 120,000 is what we're both proposing
» So 120,000 is what we're both proposing
into the Careway RC panel replacement.
>> Um request.
» Um request.
>> That's both locations.
» That's both locations.
>> 20.
» 20.
>> Yes, both locations. If we need to
» Yes, both locations. If we need to
change the verbiage.
>> So is that an additional 60 or an
» So is that an additional 60 or an
additional 120?
>> Public works.
» Public works.
>> 120 total. 122.
» 120 total. 122.
>> And can we just add an s to repair
» And can we just add an s to repair
entrances
so we're clear? It's both the entrances.
>> Repair entrance. What?
» Repair entrance. What?
>> We're just going to change put an s on
» We're just going to change put an s on
the end of the sentence. So it infers
both entrances instead of entrance.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Is I know this has been on public works
» Is I know this has been on public works
and engineering's radar and list for
three years at least. So I think what
you're hearing from the council, come up
with a solution and do it.
>> Just do it.
» Just do it.
>> Yes. put on your Nikes and just do it.
» Yes. put on your Nikes and just do it.
>> Understood.
» Understood.
>> I was going to make a joke a while ago,
» I was going to make a joke a while ago,
but that our projects start from west to
east. And so that's why Careway is not
there yet. It's like we're on your 10ear
plan, but
>> carowway will love that. [laughter]
» carowway will love that. [laughter]
>> That was a joke. That was that was
» Are we done with the special funds?
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Yes, we are.
» Yes, we are.
All right, I propose at uh let's take a
five minute break. Uh recess the open
session at 10:38. We return back in five
minutes. That would be good.
No,
Thank you. I call the uh
this council meeting back into session
at uh 10:52 a.m.
All right. Uh thank you for the uh
presentations, Marcy. Okay. We're going
to pick up uh at the end of where we
left off at the previous workshop and
that is uh the
excuse me
get this turn here
is the uh capital projects and uh Mr.
Anderson will weave in and out during
this, but we'll have water, sewer,
streets, facilities, and capital
equipment. That's all under capital
request.
Starting with the water, sewer system
capital improvements.
There have been uh several
uh sheets developed on this. I think the
one you've got in front of you right now
uh is called the necessity
list. Is that correct, Mr. Anderson?
>> Yes, mayor. That's correct.
» Yes, mayor. That's correct.
>> And that's uh for four-year look at
» And that's uh for four-year look at
>> that's correct.
» that's correct.
>> Okay. Now, I will tell you is uh um
» Okay. Now, I will tell you is uh um
Belchiff and Associates submitted a a
10-year outlook
on water, sewer, and roads. And that
10-year outlook was a now that included
everybody's I'll call it wish list.
And
that was
at that time something may have changed
but it was $18
million
over the next 10 years. So that is an
average of $10.8 million a year starting
this year. That is just not feasible.
And uh so I I asked uh uh Belfist
Associates to produce a necessity plan.
Now I was able to and what we're looking
for is necessity plan over the next 10
years. What we do have to present to you
is four years
and that is uh inclusive of the 26 27
budget year.
So, um, Mr. Anderson, if you want to
take it from there and reference, I
assume you're going to reference your
printout that you have before us.
Yes, Mayor. Thank you. Um, everybody
have their 11 by7. We want to start, if
you don't mind, with the smaller portion
of projects, uh, water and sewer.
>> Yes, sir. Five.
» Yes, sir. Five.
>> Uh, this would be um
» Uh, this would be um
>> three of nine. I'm sorry. Three of nine.
» three of nine. I'm sorry. Three of nine.
It's turned the wrong way for me.
>> Here we go.
» So, so as the mayor mentioned, we we do
have a 10-year uh capital improvement
plan that we assembled for water and
sewer projects. Um those documents have
put been put together in accordance with
state law um to basically go through and
allow us to update and amend your uh
impact fee program. Uh in addition um
these projects also uh help us identify
improvements to the system that need to
be done oversizing to certain uh
facilities uh as it relates to
development. So, one thing I think that
might help everybody if you could also
um let's pull out your water system
10-year capital improvement plan exhibit
if you don't mind. That would just be
this portrait exhibit labeled water down
in the bottom right.
And you'll note on here that there's um
several projects highlighted uh
approximately 10 of them in yellow on
the sheet. And those have uh been
developed through the modeling effort
and the uh hydraulic calculations that
have been performed uh during the master
planning process based on uh current
land use designations um as adopted by
the city. Uh so you'll note that we did
have some money in this budget to
potentially go through and update this
plan. We've we've heard discussions uh
this past year about the possibility of
a thoroughare plan change. There's been
discussions about land use discussions
and changes. And so typically what we do
as the engineer with the city is we take
uh assumptions whether those are roadway
assumptions or land use assumptions and
develop a hydraulic model and that's how
we figure out what needs to be done to
your system so that the water keeps
flowing so to speak. Uh we meet our TCQ
minimums and we provide for a reasonable
level of fire protection in the city.
Okay. So, this list um was developed
initially back in 2021 and we kind of go
through every year. It's kind of a
living document, but when we need to
make wholesale changes, like if you're
going to change the future land use
designation from let's say
residential to multifamily, single
family, residential, multif family,
that's a different type of need from the
water system. Uh, same thing could be
said for fire protection for an
industrial site as opposed to single
family. So, just wanted to get some of
that background for you. Um, you'll also
note that the sheet that you have in
front of you, the four-year outlook that
we did, we've got one project on there.
Okay. What what that means is we've got
funding and we're under designer
construction with the with the high
priority projects, the highest priority
projects, those being projects one
through three. And we've got additional
projects
five through 10 um that need to get done
at some point that are development
driven. Um
for instance, project 4, you'll see a a
meter station improvement off Bonds
Ranch Road and a transmission line as
well as a second second tank at the FM
156 pump station that we're getting
under construction with. Um, we know
that we're going to need more water
coming out of Fort Worth to serve the
ultimate population of Hasslet. What we
don't know is we don't know whether
we're going to get that from meter
station number three on Bonds Ranch Road
down at the bottom of the page or if we
need to pivot and go try to pull more
water out of meter station 4, uh, which
is over by the Harmon Road elevated tank
and build a second ground storage tank
over there and improve the pump station.
So those those discussions are fluid and
ongoing. And if you'll note over there
in the remarks column far right hand
side of my spreadsheet, we say city of
Fort Worth coordination contract
amendment may be required. So we can
only pull water from them where it's
available. Right? They have a very
massive system. They may say, "Well, you
need additional million gallons a day.
We'd like you to take three quarters of
it from here and a quarter of it from
there." So um right now our plan is to
um take water additional water needed
from meter station 3 but as we move
through this next year year and a half
and we get into the discussions with
Fort Worth that project may look a
little different. We may be doing
something on Harmon Road. So you know
we're we're kind of beholden to TR to uh
city of Fort Worth as our wholesale
provider. So we have to be able to
participate in projects and and do what
we can to get sewer to them or water
from them. So the good news is the high
priority projects are are are funded
under construction under design uh
various stages. We do have uh one
project that we anticipate needs to get
started by 2728
um on the on the front end of things and
would need to be in place by about 29
2030. So [clears throat] um I don't know
if there's any any questions
specifically on on the water projects
here.
>> So this three and a half million sorry
» So this three and a half million sorry
in 2030
right am I reading this correctly? Yes.
>> And that's as our impact fees go down
» And that's as our impact fees go down
because we won't be having residential
buildout anymore.
>> Am I right, Marcy?
» Am I right, Marcy?
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> I I would like to qualify. Impact fees
» I I would like to qualify. Impact fees
are not solely dependent upon
residential. Any project that gets built
that requires water and sewer will
collect whether it's residential uh
commercial retail or industrial
facilities collect impact fees.
>> Sure. But my point is we don't have an
» Sure. But my point is we don't have an
unending supply of money coming in
because some of those impact fees are
going to go away.
>> That will Yes.
» That will Yes.
>> That's what I'm trying to say. So when
» That's what I'm trying to say. So when
I'm I'm not trying to jump on you or be
rude. Please don't take it that I'm just
trying trying to say 2930 when we need
three and a half million. We don't know
where that three and a half million is
going to come from. That's the problem.
>> We don't um one of the things that
» We don't um one of the things that
[clears throat] the mayor asked me to
do, you'll see that funding column right
there on the next to status kind of in
front of it's cut off. It says impact
fee eligible
>> and then there's a funding status and we
» and then there's a funding status and we
have if
right so what we were trying to do there
is say a potential funding mechanism for
that. Yes sir. Water sewer water sewer
rates.
>> And one of the things I wanted to bring
» And one of the things I wanted to bring
up and we we'll get more into this as we
reconvene with the CIA and back into our
discussions on the impact fee. Um
Hasslet's really missed the the
opportunity to capture the the the water
and sewer impact fees based on
residential development. The mayor spoke
to that. You can look at the land use
plan and see that there's very limited
potential future single family
residential growth in the city. Um there
is uh quite quite a bit more potential
for industrial commercial type growth in
the city. One of the things that we'll
need to look at for you all moving
forward is the potential that the impact
fees. You may want to do away with your
impact fees. And as a project comes in,
you look at the needs of the system and
you negotiate or help the uh particular
development come in and pay for a
certain portion of some of these
projects because an impact fee is
basically we take all these these
projects and I'm just I'm simplifying
this here. take all these 10 projects,
they add up to hund00 million. We cut it
in half because we have to give them 50%
credit, that being the developer, and
then we're charging 50 million or we're
trying to recoup $50 million over that
expected growth during this next 10-year
planning period. Well, if we don't
anticipate much residential growth, that
number becomes extremely high, right?
Instead of $2,000 per lot, it could be
$47,000 if you're trying to pay for
everything with impact fees. So the
other option is to work with development
as they come in and get things built on
an asneeded basis with a particular
project. A great example of this is the
Harmon Road Blue Mountain intersection
for the for the Ironwood project. Now
that's a street project, but it'll work
for this uh example that I'm going to
give you. uh your your ordinance says
they have to build their prorat a share
of whatever is necessary for the
adjacent roadway. We negotiated with the
developer to come in and reconstruct
that entire intersection, right? As part
of the pre-annexation deal that was
negotiated with the developer. So that
same type of concept can and probably
should be applied to future water and
sewer projects. And one of the things
that we're trying to move forward with
as we reconvene with the with the CIA
and and all the laws have changed and
it's it's getting harder and harder for
cities to pay for things with impact
fees is where this is going. And so I
think one of the things that we probably
should look at in conjunction with any
changes to the Thoroughare plan or the
land use plan is a wholesale look and
discussion about how these projects may
be may be funded in the future because
you're right, the impact fees are going
down. The impact fees um weren't high
enough to begin with and a lot of those
impact fees as you can see going through
the records here have been rebated or
credited back. Right? So you're you're
kind of you're running out of you're
running out of those impact fees to pay
for future improvements.
>> The only as I'm going to add to that
» The only as I'm going to add to that
well one uh current legislation or the
legislation on that um
infrastructure reimbursement by
developers has to be studied. Uh the uh
impact fee is
for the most part has been used to
when these water and sewer lines were
upgraded
and anticipation of development coming
the impact fee. legislation allowed
the municipality to charge that
development a certain amount of money.
It was pre-built. Now you're going to
pay your fair share of that line. That's
one aspect of it. But also the impact
fee is collected to build a requirement
of a water and sewer line to serve a
particular development.
The only um
now what we do charge is maximum allowed
by law.
We do do that.
But the negotiation
u I will that's that's good if it works
but that's a casebyase basis. We'll have
to study that uh explicitly and see um
if that is viable. The project that uh
Mr. Anderson spoke of is that was a very
unique case.
Developer wanted that project that bad.
He goes, "Okay, I'll build the road."
And um it worked out well. And he was in
fact he was rather generous, very
generous in doing so. That's a $4
million piece of roadway he's building
at his total cost. Anyway, the the but
yes, these are conversations that we
have to have, but we have to uh exercise
sound judgment. Right now, we got the uh
uh legislation, the state law behind us
with regard to impact fees.
>> Go ahead.
» Go ahead.
>> I think we just need to plan because if,
» I think we just need to plan because if,
as you said, our impact fees are going
down and our impact needs are still
going to be there and we're going to
need this is just one project three and
a half million in four years from now.
So, this is what I was trying to get to
earlier about we need to have a 5year
lookout or a 10ear lookout or whatever
of all of this because our funding
sources are going to change and our
needs are going to go up and we're going
to have projects to do and we can't just
all of a sudden say, "Oh, well, we need
a $100 million bond." I mean, that
doesn't work. So we just need to start
looking at you know are there ways that
we can plan for the future that makes it
not such extremes
>> and we are just to give you insight on
» and we are just to give you insight on
that Marcy and I have uh had over the
many many months have discussions what
we're doing is assembling these I'll
call it the 10-year necessity plans
on water sewer roads and capital
equipment We got scheduled departments
have scheduled capital equipment that's
coming. We know when it's coming and
that is uh runs into the millions of
dollars and but to put that in front of
u our um
broker
but what do we call him?
>> They're financial advisor hilltop.
» They're financial advisor hilltop.
Hilltop and look at now that's all
pointed towards bonds. But how can we
structure that over the years
and keep the tax rate somewhat
consistent
and that would be one piece of that will
go into a plan. But that yes, bonds uh
you know I think it was 22 that we took
uh uh bond out $17 million and the great
majority of that was all water and sewer
every bit of it. Uh so but that project
is addressing uh projects that we're
building now.
>> So
» So
>> Mayor,
» Mayor,
>> yes, a plan is needed. Yes, ma'am. Um, I
» yes, a plan is needed. Yes, ma'am. Um, I
have a few questions. Um, so you were,
it shows on here four, which I love how
it all connects now that I'm
understanding your charts. One, two,
three are in process this year. Is that
my understanding?
>> They're either completed or they're
» They're either completed or they're
funded and under construction or design.
So, we were just trying to um basically
capture what was not currently funded,
but identified as a need, if that makes
sense.
>> Got it. I would still love to see five
» Got it. I would still love to see five
through 10 just so we can see the pro
projection. I I don't want information
hidden from me so I could better
understand it. I'd just rather have it
highlighted. Um but for um
number five, are are we even though
we're not looking at starting these
right now, we know this is incoming
items that we have to do to keep our
city running. Like number five, are we
working on grants for that? because
grants I mean the water tank
rehabilitation I mean we could easily
well not we have a good shot at a grant
um that could cover it from um I always
get the acronymics up TWWDB grants
they're pretty common especially for
small cities like us are we looking into
those items because th they can cover up
to 100% of the water tower rehab
>> yeah we've we've got um we we haven't
» yeah we've we've got um we we haven't
looked into a grant for the rehab there
funding that was part of the 2022
issuance um specifically for that
project. So, I don't know if that may or
may or may not create a problem, but um
we are aware of the the different um
TWWDB grants and um we we've got um two
of those that we're looking at and
trying to uh work in on the drainage
side um this fall, but um we don't have
anything like teed up and ready to go
for that particular project,
>> but we do have the uh
» but we do have the uh
rehabilitation of that tank funded.
>> Yes, sir.
» Yes, sir.
>> Fully funded.
» Fully funded.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Through that through the bond that we
» Through that through the bond that we
took out in 22.
>> Yeah. It was 750,000 is what we estimate
» Yeah. It was 750,000 is what we estimate
to paint that tank
>> and but back in 2022.
» and but back in 2022.
>> Yeah. That I I think it was a healthy it
» Yeah. That I I think it was a healthy it
was a healthy budget that was put
together in 22.
So, if we were to apply for a grant and
get it, there's no way for us to
reimburse the bond. Wouldn't it be
better for us to get a free grant then?
And this is part of the reason why you
got to be careful when you take bonds
when you're not ready.
>> I'd have to consult, we'd have to
» I'd have to consult, we'd have to
consult with Hill uh Hilltop and Marcy
and I.
>> But I think this is a really see how
» But I think this is a really see how
that would work.
>> Good example of why you don't pre-take a
» Good example of why you don't pre-take a
bond before you're ready to move
into the active construction or phase of
it. Because I mean this could
potentially cost us a 100% grant where
the city wouldn't have had to pay
anything.
>> Make note of that.
» Make note of that.
>> Why did we pre like why did we move
» Why did we pre like why did we move
forward with the bond so early for
something we're not even working on
actively?
>> We had it planned,
» We had it planned,
>> but we're not doing it right now.
» but we're not doing it right now.
>> We had it planned. Engineering, you want
» We had it planned. Engineering, you want
to address that?
>> So the the rehab of that tank could not
» So the the rehab of that tank could not
occur until the pump station is up up
and running. Uh, one of the things that
was asked of engineering and public
works back when the bond was
contemplated was um, in addition to the
hydraulic improvements and storage
improvements, pumping, were there any
uh, known um,
uh, maintenance type projects? And that
was one of them that was determined to
be necessary due to the tank
inspections.
>> Okay. If we pull a bond, it just seems
» Okay. If we pull a bond, it just seems
like we have a responsibility at that
point to ensure that those projects are
moving forward and not re prioritizing
without that consideration. It's just a
little interesting that we pulled a bond
for back in 2022.
Did we even apply for grants then?
>> A grant?
» A grant?
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> No, I didn't apply for grant.
» No, I didn't apply for grant.
>> Why would we not apply for grants?
» Why would we not apply for grants?
>> I apply for grants that I'm aware of.
» I apply for grants that I'm aware of.
Were you aware of it? Yes.
>> In 22
» In 22
>> I'm aware of grants for water towers
» I'm aware of grants for water towers
>> for in 22 you were
» for in 22 you were
>> okay let's get back on track and not get
» okay let's get back on track and not get
into arguments please I don't know
>> understood you know is uh a lot of this
» understood you know is uh a lot of this
is planning the you know there are some
projects that we have are dependent upon
others the this new uh uh $5.6 6 million
pump station project we're doing is key
to other projects and we cannot pursue
until that's done. That pump station
project has drugged out longer than what
we expected. It just has and so we can't
do the water tower rehabilitation till
that project's online because that
project is getting a new 1 million
gallon ground storage tank. We have to
have the storage capacity to take the
tower offline.
>> I understand.
» I understand.
>> So there there are things that
are dependent upon the other. Some
things end up moving slower than what we
expected.
>> I do understand that.
» I do understand that.
>> Okay. Well, then that's why it wasn't
» Okay. Well, then that's why it wasn't
intentionally let's take let's borrow
money uh and we consciously know we're
going to wait four years before we ever
spend any of it. No, that that is not
the thought process. Yes, Mr. Mayor.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> None of that has anything to do with her
» None of that has anything to do with her
fundamental question.
>> Her fundamental her fundamental question
» Her fundamental her fundamental question
is why May I finish speaking, please?
You recognize me and I'm not done
speaking
>> before we're ready to do anything.
» before we're ready to do anything.
>> You recognized me and I wasn't done
» You recognized me and I wasn't done
speaking.
>> Anyway, we go ahead please.
» Anyway, we go ahead please.
>> Thank you. You're all that big
» Thank you. You're all that big
discussion that big explanation had
nothing to do with her fundamental
question. Her fundamental question was
why didn't we try for bonds before we
went for I mean for grants before we
went for a bond. That's the fundamental
question. All of the things you said is
correct. We have to do this before that.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> That doesn't speak to her fundamental
» That doesn't speak to her fundamental
question.
>> The the well I I thought I answered
» The the well I I thought I answered
[clears throat] that. No one in the
city, no one public works engineering
partners with engineering was aware of
any grants for tank rehabilitation.
No one was aware of it.
» That's a simple answer.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Okay. Thank you. Can we move on, please?
» Okay. Thank you. Can we move on, please?
Anything
else on water capital?
» Um, Mike, I just wanted to point out for
them on or you're you're moving to sewer
next.
>> Go ahead, Marcy.
» Go ahead, Marcy.
>> Okay. Um, I was just going to point out
» Okay. Um, I was just going to point out
on page 283 in the water capital
um
>> 283
in the book
>> 283. Um, just to show that the water
» 283. Um, just to show that the water
rate study, the items on Mike's sheet
from 2627,
the water rate study for 10,000 and the
sewer rate study for 10,000.
Those are listed um
on I I gave you the wrong sheet. I'm
sorry. Let's see.
I moved on to my head.
Page 163. I'm sorry.
>> 163.
» 163.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
So, $20,000 for water and sewer rate
study is in there
on Mike's project S5 in the sewer.
165,000
um for design and engineering is funded
on that page. And then his project S6
um 130,000
for design and engineering
is funded.
Um just just so you know where those
are. The development participation
um is also funded
um in the water fund
and
the INI reduction is on this page
100,000
um develop developer participation is
combined 515 for both water and sewer is
that um 103,000.
So everything that's under his 2627
column on this page is
>> funded right there.
» funded right there.
>> And I'm sorry, mayor, I do have a just a
» And I'm sorry, mayor, I do have a just a
few more small questions. Um to go back,
Mike, you said that we have 750,000.
Have we scheduled an inspection to get
an estimate of really the condition in
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
When's your last when was your last
Harmon inspection?
>> Uh, usually it's right around the o
» Uh, usually it's right around the o
October. There's another one already
scheduled. It's going to happen in uh
November this year, but we do an annual
inspection by dive and uh basically
there's no the coating is long past
needing to be replaced. There's nothing
that's critical in that tank that's but
you don't want to get to a level that's
ever critical. So there is starting to
be rust and stuff showing on the outside
of it on the tank. On the inside, there
is expected blistering, but like there's
no major
flaw in it, but it is overdue and should
be recoded. That's the main need for
that tank.
>> So, I'm just going to highly suggest
» So, I'm just going to highly suggest
that we reook at our estimate because
750,000 I I would put money on it is not
correct. Um, if from what he's saying
with the rust and coating and also if
we're we're repainting the outside,
I think it's a lot higher than you think
right now. So, I would just suggest a
full estimate done by the city to
prepare for that because it's a pretty
significant expense, especially if we
already have a bond and we're depending
on the money from the bond. If it is
going to cost more, maybe we can apply
for a grant for partial and get some
assistance. So, since it's the next item
on the priority list, I'm just
suggesting we start looking at it this
year. And I followed that up with a
question of if we were to do that, how
much do you guys think you would need to
be on the when they do the dive, do they
give you a workup of the estimate?
When's the last time we had that done?
>> So, when we the divers, what they look
» So, when we the divers, what they look
at is they basically look at blistering
in the co c coatings. They look for any
like major defect that you just can't
visually see from the water line that.
So, we're not they're not giving us
anything beyond it needs to be recoded.
So, that our assumption is that tank
will need to be drained, sandlasted, and
recoded the same as it would before. And
I believe we had a pretty good number
recently on that of what they expected
that to be. I thought that that 750 was
thought to be pretty good, but we can we
can look back at that and see.
» And I I'm not speaking for that company
or my husband, but this is what my
husband does. He does water towers and
he's saying he suggests that you guys
look into this because the budget you're
stating
>> I'm just suggesting you look into it and
» I'm just suggesting you look into it and
that's where my information and
knowledge is coming from. this is what
he does and he's just suggesting you
take another look.
>> We can do that.
» We can do that.
>> That's all I'm saying.
» That's all I'm saying.
>> Oh, that's fine.
» Oh, that's fine.
>> Because I am I am not um this is not
» Because I am I am not um this is not
where my knowledge comes from, but I
wanted you to understand why I'm
questioning it.
>> No, I understand. We've we've my office
» No, I understand. We've we've my office
has done three of these in the last
three years. The latest one we did uh we
did two over in Shady Shores and Lake
Dallas, and they were about a half a
million each. They were the uh one was a
legged style tank.
>> The other one was a spheroid like the
» The other one was a spheroid like the
golf ball T.
>> So quite a bit more prep and work and
» So quite a bit more prep and work and
full containment. Um but and that's um
that's kind of what we had based our
number off of. This one's a little bit
>> less surface area. It's a little bit
» less surface area. It's a little bit
larger diameter. But what I can do is um
let me go uh get on one of the bid
networks and find a recent bid tab. And
then I can also check with uh Teneemic
and Sherwin Williams.
>> Yeah, you can also call any of the
» Yeah, you can also call any of the
companies. I know that would mean they
possibly potentially I don't know how
that works for them then bidding for us,
but
>> they'll get out to you pretty fa fast
» they'll get out to you pretty fa fast
and give you an accurate estimate just
for
>> the idea that if we are needing it, we
» the idea that if we are needing it, we
need to get ahead of the grant not
necessarily to move forward on the work.
>> Understand?
» Understand?
>> What agency is that grant through? I'd
» What agency is that grant through? I'd
like to write it down.
>> TWWDB Mike County region. No,
» TWWDB Mike County region. No,
>> no. Texas Water Development Board,
» no. Texas Water Development Board,
>> yeah,
» yeah,
>> is one of them.
» is one of them.
>> There's there's a ton of them. That's
» There's there's a ton of them. That's
just one of the main ones. I mean,
there's like a dozen if you do a quick
search.
>> But, I mean, it's interesting just the
» But, I mean, it's interesting just the
water tower information just as we
actually had a company within our city
limits that builds water towers. I'm
just surprised we haven't communicated
with them. I know they've recently moved
out, but I mean, Landmark Towers is
here. Yeah, we uh negotiated with them
20 some odd years ago
>> for that water tower.
» for that water tower.
>> Yeah,
» Yeah,
>> they built that water tower.
» they built that water tower.
>> Yep.
» Yep.
>> They donated the property.
» They donated the property.
>> I know.
» I know.
>> So, well, very good. So, uh we uh but
» So, well, very good. So, uh we uh but
they sold their business.
>> Understood.
» Understood.
>> They're no longer in business.
» They're no longer in business.
>> They are in business. My husband works
» They are in business. My husband works
for them.
>> Okay. Well, they don't work there
» Okay. Well, they don't work there
anymore.
>> Correct.
» Correct.
>> Good. Um, Mr. Anderson, please continue.
» Good. Um, Mr. Anderson, please continue.
>> Okay. Uh, let's go to our sewer projects
» Okay. Uh, let's go to our sewer projects
real quick. The good news is Marcy said
everything's in the budget. So, we'll
we'll walk through the the next list of
uh sewer projects. See if you have any
questions there and then we can get into
streets and drainage. So, sewer is on
the same sheet. There's two projects on
there. Um,
I don't know who's James. Are you got do
you have the screen? Can we get it to
sewer?
>> Oh, mayor, can you can you slide to uh
» Oh, mayor, can you can you slide to uh
sewer projects for me, please, sir?
Thank you. Okay, so uh we've got sewer
project S5 and S6
um currently
uh in this next year's budget. Uh
Buffalo Creek sewer is um a necessary
upgrade to the downstream leg of the
Buffalo Creek sewer system that was put
in and designed back when um
the city was contemplating halfacre
lots. And so that uh 15inch line needs
to go to a 21. There's also a small
piece of sewer. Let me just see if I can
show you real quick. Maybe
It's not working.
There's a
Well, it was working earlier. There it
goes. There's a portion of um
of sewer that needs to be rerouted
through the uh TR meter station that's
about to get under construction as well.
So, that's a uh basically a $1.8 million
uh capital project. That is an impact
fee eligible project. We are asking for
165,000
this next year to get the design
completed and work through uh easement
acquisitions.
There are um let's see if I could show
you here.
» Yeah, if you don't mind. I don't know
how to do that.
» Okay. Okay. So, what we have up on the
screen, we're we're at the end of the
runway. This is Westport Parkway. The
the orange line you see is the 21in line
that's coming in from TRA with a project
that's about to get under construction.
And then we have our meter station here
located in this fenced area. We have to
reroute a portion of the city's existing
what used to be an 8 inch line that you
can kind of see here is dashed. that has
to get rerouted back through the the
back side of the meter station. Um TR
was not able to include that in their
scope of the project because they did
not um they didn't have any assets over
there uh beyond our meter. So that is a
project that um we've got survey done.
We've got the easement documents done.
We've got a appraisal done for one of
the parcels. So, we're we're well on our
way to having that project uh designed
in anticipation of going to construction
uh this next fiscal year. And then the
rest of that project would include
replacement of the undersized 15
generally shown on this screen here from
the meter station uh up at the top of
the sheet. Uh basically down through
Harmon Road, you see Harmon Road. Um, so
that's uh that's the uh imminent need
for uh sewer on Buffalo Creek. That is
project S5.
Um, Brentwood,
walk you through that real quick. Uh,
one of the um benefits of building the
fire station sewer in accordance with
the city's uh master plan was the
ability to uh provide
firsttime sewer service to the uh
Brentwood neighborhood.
There's currently only a small portion
of the neighborhood adjacent to 156 with
with sewer. So, you can see on my screen
or on your screen here, you got this
solid red line. That's the fire station
sewer line that was uh recently
completed to serve the fire station. The
the area in blue is the sewer basin that
that line will be able to serve. Um, now
that that facility is in place, you can
note it extends down through Hue White
and includes a portion of Blue Mount
Hill over adjacent to North Glenn. That
being said, uh, you'll note that
Brentwood uh, has the ability to be
served. You can note the drainage
divide. So, basically everything left of
the blue line currently has sewer out to
156 due to the topography. Anything to
the right doesn't currently have sewer,
um, public sewer, I should say. And so,
um, there's a project that we've, uh,
conceptualized and got in the budget,
um, for extension of the of a sewer main
into the subdivision. So, this is a
property map developed for the fire
station sewer project. And then, um, I'm
going to zoom in a little bit.
Everybody's kind of got their bearings
straight here. You can see uh coming off
of basically adjacent to the western
ball field uh we're proposing a 8 in
sewer extension into Brentwood as phase
one. That's the phase one project you
see. And then the rest of this
neighborhood could potentially be
sewered um as shown on my exhibit here.
Uh the the front side adjacent to 156.
There's some city-owned lots over there
and some other privately owned lots.
Those could tie in to the end of that
10-inch line that was put in with the
fire station.
>> That loop around Brentwood, all of it is
» That loop around Brentwood, all of it is
the cost of it is reflected in 2930 at
$450,000.
That's what that is. Uh there are many
of the uh property owners in Brentwood.
Well, all of them right now to date are
maybe except one or two on the very at
156.
All of them have san or uh septic
systems or anorobic systems. Many of
them have come and requested to tie into
the city sewer. And we told them it was
maybe going back two years about this
project that's coming in. And they would
much rather pay uh a a new septic system
runs about $25,000.
they would much rather pay uh say 14 or
$15,000
to connect to a city system.
It's much cheaper and more reliable.
So that was planned and you know and
hopefully maybe that can be moved up
from 2930 time frame.
>> So this is basically phase one step one
» So this is basically phase one step one
is to do this first.
>> Get get the line into the subdivision
» Get get the line into the subdivision
and then go from there. And the mayor
the mayor um spoke about the potential
for a kind of like a a hookup connection
charge. There's we did a project many
years ago and the uh part of South Lake
where we were running firsttime sewer
service and and the mayor's speaking
about replacement of septics. It was the
same situation out there. Those folks
were faced with do we spend $20,000 at
the time for septic or do we
spend$10,000. I think the city basically
said we'll cover it 50/50. you put in
10, we'll cover 10. So, those are all
policy questions that we'll have to get
to at some point, but uh yeah, there's
some different options there um for
that. So, that's that's that project.
Now, that project does require some
easements, and there's been some
discussion on on how some of those
easements may or may not be worked
through there with some of the property
owners. And so, we're we're just trying
to work through some of the minutia and
detail of that. But the the good news is
the ability to serve is there. uh
because that line was basically uh built
in accordance with the master plan.
>> And go back to that uh area where you
» And go back to that uh area where you
had the blue boundary around this uh
basin.
>> Yes, sir.
» Yes, sir.
>> Just to give them a little background
» Just to give them a little background
early on, there were two different
routes that could have been chosen to uh
provide this uh new sewer line. one
would have been gone from uh the fire
station
straight out to 156,
but it uh uh through the study of it
that opened up a more limited area of
service, I think about 360 acres.
This one uh essentially for the same
money, different route, different basin,
opened up 540 acres.
So, it uh it was a good choice. Uh it'll
be a good return on that investment.
» Any questions on the two sewer projects
that we have on the on the list?
>> I just meant to ask you for sewer and
» I just meant to ask you for sewer and
water. Is there anything that you feel
like is a priority that's not listed for
this year for either of them? Something
that we're leaving out?
>> No, ma'am. We're covered.
» No, ma'am. We're covered.
>> Okay.
Okay. If if we're good on water and
sewer,
then uh maybe we jump into roads. So,
that's the big list with the big dollars
down at the bottom.
All right, James. What do I do here?
» Streets, drainage, and improvements.
Uh, so I will uh I'll say this, streets,
drainage, improvements is going to take
a little bit longer than water and sewer
did put together. Do you want a break
for lunch now? and then come back and
start with water and sewer or streets.
>> Could we spend five minutes and get our
» Could we spend five minutes and get our
food and then work while we eat
>> because we we
» because we we
>> we don't have families. It's the last
» we don't have families. It's the last
weekend of Sorry. It's the last weekend
of summer. I think we're all trying to
get out of here.
>> I will say I do believe Mr. Anderson has
» I will say I do believe Mr. Anderson has
to leave at some point, too. He has
other
>> What's your cut off?
» What's your cut off?
>> As long as I'm out of here by two
» As long as I'm out of here by two
o'clock, I'm good.
>> Oh my goodness.
» Oh my goodness.
>> Oh. So, can we please take like five
» Oh. So, can we please take like five
minutes and get our food and come back
and work through lunch and and and keep
going
>> or wait and break through for lunch
» or wait and break through for lunch
later? Either one's fine.
>> Sure, we'll do that. So, I'll tell you
» Sure, we'll do that. So, I'll tell you
what then. I'm going to recess the open
session for 15 minutes.
>> Get your food.
» Get your food.
>> Okay. Thank you.
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you. So, it's recessed at 11:35.
Let's resume the uh open session from
recess. call to order this uh uh open
session at 11:58 a.m.
We have streets and drainage
improvements capital projects.
Mr. Anderson,
>> thank you, Mayor.
» thank you, Mayor.
Um everybody has the big list
front of them.
Uh project one is the uh Blue Mountain
Road and 156 intersection improvements
project. This is the uh we presented
this back in June, I believe. And we
presented a a schedule for this project.
Um, basically showing this is a more or
less a three-year project by the time
all the design, rightway acquisition,
utility relocation, and construction is
is sorted out. So, we're recommending
that 450 plus 525 for to total uh what
is that 975
be budgeted this fiscal year uh for
design permitting [clears throat] and um
uh rightway acquisition for the project
and that's to keep it in general uh
conformance to the the schedule that we
presented back in June. Uh if you
recall, this is a basically a $5 million
project. There are um there is a portion
of this that we expect funding from the
uh lapel development in Fort Worth. We
haven't uh gone through and um figured
out exactly what percentage of this uh
total project cost they would be
responsible for under the terms of the
agreement. But um I suspect it's
somewhere in the neighborhood of uh 10
to 20% just depending on the um ultimate
costs and how we get this thing
implemented. They were they were
responsible for a turn lane, a 100 foot
turn lane. And if you recall, we had 400
foot long turn lanes and multiple
multiple iterations of those. And so,
um, this project is is, um, is important
and there's quite a bit of leg work to
do before we can get to construction.
>> So, just to [clears throat] this would
» So, just to [clears throat] this would
be on our [snorts] capital outlay. This
is not in our budget currently as as
funded. Correct.
>> Correct.
» Correct.
>> Okay. So, if we wanted to add it, we
» Okay. So, if we wanted to add it, we
would put it in our page 21 that the
capital outlay.
Is that correct? As for for projects.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Okay. Thank you.
» Okay. Thank you.
>> So, we didn't get this far on Saturday,
» So, we didn't get this far on Saturday,
>> correct?
» correct?
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> No, we talked about all this, but
» No, we talked about all this, but
>> but
» but
>> y'all had a separate meeting. I know
» y'all had a separate meeting. I know
that.
>> No, we met last Saturday here and we
» No, we met last Saturday here and we
talked about
>> No, but prior to that, there was a
» No, but prior to that, there was a
separate
>> That was just a discussion. We didn't
» That was just a discussion. We didn't
make any changes.
>> We reviewed these very specific
» We reviewed these very specific
projects, but this we can brought up
last Saturday. Yes. There were all this,
but it wasn't added in like officially.
>> No, it was it was
» No, it was it was
>> it's on your sheet of changes.
» it's on your sheet of changes.
on a general.
>> Yes. And we went through it kind of
» Yes. And we went through it kind of
tentatively and rushed, but we said we
all we all had questions for Mike and
wanted to come back to this.
>> Is this a public document? Like can we
» Is this a public document? Like can we
is this available? Can anybody in the
public have this information?
>> It is posted with the agenda.
» It is posted with the agenda.
>> This is Yes, sir.
» This is Yes, sir.
>> Okay. Thank you,
» Okay. Thank you,
>> Marcy. Where is it? I'm sorry. on the
» Marcy. Where is it? I'm sorry. on the
new general fund overall budget summary.
>> It's [clears throat]
» It's [clears throat]
um it's on the list
» the list of changes that looks like
this.
>> Oh, okay. Okay. Thank you.
» Oh, okay. Okay. Thank you.
>> Because you don't have new budget pages.
» Because you don't have new budget pages.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> You you have the general it's it's on
» You you have the general it's it's on
that general [clears throat] fund thing.
But um
>> and
» and
>> so under general fund capital outlay
» so under general fund capital outlay
this SD1 is the 975.
» You added that and then the next one
Blue Mountain Road at John Day. You
added
>> where are you?
» where are you?
>> Thank you. And
» Thank you. And
>> this page is what this
» this page is what this
>> that's the list of changes that were
» that's the list of changes that were
made at the last workshop.
>> Thank you. I was looking at my old
» Thank you. I was looking at my old
>> sheet. It's a mix of page 21 and the new
» sheet. It's a mix of page 21 and the new
packet she gave you. And you're really
looking at three documents right now.
Page 21, her new packet, and the
>> the capital improvement plan.
» the capital improvement plan.
>> I'm lost. I can't find it. I'm sorry.
» I'm lost. I can't find it. I'm sorry.
>> Huh?
» Huh?
>> You got it, Marcy.
» You got it, Marcy.
>> Is that this?
» Is that this?
>> Okay. Where where you Where are you?
» Okay. Where where you Where are you?
Sorry.
>> Our changes are noted at the top.
» Our changes are noted at the top.
>> Like 975.
» Like 975.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> 1.4. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate it.
» 1.4. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate it.
Sorry.
>> My apologies everybody.
» My apologies everybody.
>> It's a little confusing.
» It's a little confusing.
>> It's a little small. My eyes are not as
» It's a little small. My eyes are not as
good as with these glasses. What's that?
>> Thank you.
» No, look. This is what I need to do.
>> Now I can see it.
» Okay. Thanks, Mike.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Thanks, Mike. Please continue.
» Thanks, Mike. Please continue.
>> Absolutely. Absolutely. So everybody's
» Absolutely. Absolutely. So everybody's
good with project one 156 Blue Mountain.
Okay. So we we've estimated the rideway
needs. We've estimated the value of the
rideway based on what we've seen for
transactions in this area as a cost per
square foot. We anticipate that during
the rideway acquisition process,
appraisals will be needed. We'll have to
go through the formal process of
acquiring rightaway. So, this is a this
is a healthy budget to get started on
the project. We'd like to be
conservative in our numbers. Um, and
that same can be said with that second
project as well, Bluemount at John Day
Road. I think there's over $800,000 in
that particular project for rideaway in
and of itself. So, um, was there any
questions on the Blue Mountain John Day
road similar setup? The developer, LRIL,
is responsible under the terms of our
development agreement for construction
of the traffic signal itself and a turn
lane at John Day Road.
>> And that's a 1.425.
» And that's a 1.425.
>> Yes, ma'am.
» Yes, ma'am.
>> The only question I have um
» The only question I have um
>> Yes, sir.
» Yes, sir.
>> Mr. Anderson, is is there
» Mr. Anderson, is is there
[clears throat] any way we can before we
can widen the road because that's going
to take a couple years. Is there any way
we can make that intersection a light
like right now? Because
just to get off of John Day onto Blue
Mound going east is almost impossible in
the evenings. Um, so if you could if we
could make that a light like a lot
quicker, even if we put up temporary
poles just to get a a light put on
there, that would be incredibly helpful
until we get the road widened.
>> I can answer that question. That is all
» I can answer that question. That is all
dependent upon Tarant County. Uh I know
that uh engineering myself and David
Rogers has been working with Tarant
County for probably two years on that
intersection.
They control it. Everything from the
railroad tracks going west almost all
the way to 287 is a county road. Uh we
have given them information, traffic
counts. We've had him come out here time
and time again, multiple times, very
specifically. I think the last meeting
that we had was maybe three months ago
in your office with precinct three to
look at this and they took it all back
and said, "Okay, here's what we need the
county to do. We're prepared to do this
piece on the city of Hasset Road, which
is John Day Road." And
We have not had any movement. It is um
I don't know why they understand the
problem. They understand the issue. It's
probably a matter of money. It might be
a prioritization on the county's part.
Well, we're spending money on Bond Ranch
Road and or over here and over here and
this is not on their radar yet. They do
understand. We have been uh I'll say at
times aggressive in our communication
with them to let them know this is a
persistent problem and uh we need the
county's help. This is a regional issue.
This is not generated by Hasset
residents.
This is a regional issue. And so
[clears throat]
it is all in the county's court to put
that intersection light up there. even
if we were to pay for it, it's still on
their side to do the
improvement,
authorize it. There's an issue with we
have even gone to the extent to
um
let let Hasset annex
Blue Mound Road from the railroad tracks
to John Day Road to the west side of
John Day Road. And we will do that work.
We will plan it.
And no, sorry.
>> There's there are legal issues related
» There's there are legal issues related
with it in how the right of way for uh
Blue Mountain Road was um
let
um there's not is what do you call it?
Prescriptive right of way. It does not
give the county outright ownership.
>> So, who owns it?
» So, who owns it?
>> That's the le [clears throat]
» That's the le [clears throat]
who does.
>> Pardon?
» Pardon?
>> If they don't have outright ownership,
» If they don't have outright ownership,
who does?
>> The property owners,
» The property owners,
>> the houses that back up right there or
» the houses that back up right there or
that whole neighborhood? the pro, you
know, such as, you know, the uh 97 acres
along the east side of John Day Road in
Blue Mound right there. That 97 acres,
that property owner owns to the center
line.
>> So, it's not the homeowners. Now, the
» So, it's not the homeowners. Now, the
homeowners on the west side, which would
be Fort Worth,
city of Fort Worth, they uh may I we
have not investigated that
» pull up an exhibit real quick.
the big button.
» So here's
everybody can see it. You see we drew in
the actual lots in the rideway. So
licated
rideway public rideway their property.
So that way
is clear.
The rideway on the south side from Lond.
» Yeah.
>> So, and they also
» So, and they also
>> I'll buy him a nice steak dinner.
» I'll buy him a nice steak dinner.
>> I think I understand what you're asking.
» I think I understand what you're asking.
The mayor did a good job of summarizing
the work to date. provided with study
saying that you know we like to see a
minimum stop sign put up here but we
could we have the ability to do the
necessary warranty proies
from the adjacent developments and we've
got somebody that may try to implement
using the funds that were in hand
we just need to go through and get the
design so that light configuration could
work with the planned improvements here.
That's all complicated by the bridge.
>> That's all complicated with the bridge
» That's all complicated with the bridge
that's coming in that was just applied
for by Taran County and BNSF last fall,
too. So, this is a kind of a convoluted
intersection, but
>> is coming in.
» is coming in.
>> Well, I said was applied for funding. I
» Well, I said was applied for funding. I
shouldn't shouldn't have said that.
Thank you.
>> Well, my my steak dinner joke is is just
» Well, my my steak dinner joke is is just
a joke as well. Well, I don't actually
mean to be offering anything, but
[clears throat] we're just trying to
figure out like to begin with, none of
the road work stuff was in this budget,
and we have never seen
this 10-year [clears throat] plan until
very recently that has been in existence
for a long time. So, we're trying to
play catch-up as a council a little bit
because we've been in the dark and not
have the information that we need. So,
what is the fastest way we can get this
moving and the the next project that
we're about to talk about as well?
What's the fastest way we can get at
least lights there, if not the expansion
done, what's the next what we need? We
need step 1 2 3 4 5. That's what we
need.
>> So,
» So,
>> even if it's not right this minute, I'm
» even if it's not right this minute, I'm
not sure, you know.
>> And I think you were actually gone on
» And I think you were actually gone on
Were you gone at the meeting in June
when I gave the
>> Oh, yeah. You were.
» Oh, yeah. You were.
>> And I think
» And I think
>> June 1st.
» June 1st.
>> Yes, sir.
» Yes, sir.
>> Yeah. I because I laid it out. I did. I
» Yeah. I because I laid it out. I did. I
said [clears throat] year 1, year two,
year three. Let me get you that. But
>> well, I get the year parts, but what we
» well, I get the year parts, but what we
need to know like which conversation we
need to have next. You know what I mean?
>> Yes, sir. No, I understand.
» Yes, sir. No, I understand.
>> We need to go very basic one by one.
» We need to go very basic one by one.
>> I understand. So, if we could if we
» I understand. So, if we could if we
could get this funded for design and
agreement uh
preparation and ratification. There's
the whole transfer of uh or coordination
with the county that the mayor spoke to.
So there's county coordination necessary
>> and the county who are we dealing with
» and the county who are we dealing with
the county Manny directly or is it
somebody else?
>> The county commissioner is
» The county commissioner is
>> well it's not the county. We've been
» well it's not the county. We've been
speaking with the u county engineer
>> Mr. Jackson.
» Mr. Jackson.
>> Mr. Jackson ultimately you know any of
» Mr. Jackson ultimately you know any of
the commissioners have to go to Mr.
Jackson period and Mr. Jackson that's
who we've communicated with and they've
seen this design. Yes,
>> they had this design. They have our
» they had this design. They have our
request in early on early conversations
were
the city of Hasslet would like to make
that a four-way stop at minimum. We'll
pay for the stop signs. We'll pay for
the installation of it. Just give us
permission to do it. and the county
engineer wrote us a letter back and said
no
>> because in his opinion it will create
» because in his opinion it will create
more of a problem.
So there are various u departments
working through Tarant County that we
have to address this uh the
I've met with Commissioner Ramirez on
this. He has his plans
and told him of the need that we have. I
have met with H Commissioner Krauss.
They have this plan
and let them know of the needs that we
have.
>> What's their response?
» What's their response?
>> Pardon?
» Pardon?
>> What's their response?
» What's their response?
>> Haven't got one yet. And that's been
» Haven't got one yet. And that's been
many months ago.
>> Can we not reach back up? That was many
» Can we not reach back up? That was many
months ago. I mean, why are we not
reaching out to them again? Oh, well I
can, but we have uh we we are continuing
reaching out
and getting this in the different
department hands. So, we have it in two
county commissioners hands. We have it
in the uh county engineers hands and we
have it uh [clears throat]
there was a fourth party
I don't recall. Oh actually the the
precinct three crew
» and the city of forward. Yes.
So, uh it's not it's not uh due to a
lack of effort.
Um so we um maybe
uh now if the city of Hasslet were to
say we'll pay for every bit of that and
Mr. landowner we'll buy that right away
from you
etc etc. Of course that would enhance
his property.
uh then they might say yes.
It generally all boils down to money.
Well, we did ask the county that they do
the improvements on Blue Mountain Road.
» Um
Mr. Anderson, [clears throat]
>> the um
» the um
last last week we moved over um $1.3
million I think it was
um for the
uh Blue Mound 156 and then the uh Blue
Mound and John Day. Do you think that's
going to be adequate? Do we need more
money to get those two projects kind of
started and off the ground? because I
know we we could have started this a
couple years ago, but now we're kind of
backtracking, but is that going to be
enough money 1.3 to get both of those
going? Shows we have 975 for Blue
Mountain Intersection and 335 for John
Day. Do we need to allocate more money
so we can move ahead?
>> Well, I think uh we've got a total of uh
» Well, I think uh we've got a total of uh
my math's right here, 2.3 between the
two projects roughly. And so your ask
is, is 1.3 enough to get started?
>> Well, I got 1.3 from on this uh 975 and
» Well, I got 1.3 from on this uh 975 and
335,
>> but
» but
>> um
» um
>> Oh, well, the 975 and 335. Okay.
» Oh, well, the 975 and 335. Okay.
>> I I'm just so we're on the same page. Uh
» I I'm just so we're on the same page. Uh
it's $925,000
for this fiscal year
>> for the uh Blue Mountain Road FM 156
» for the uh Blue Mountain Road FM 156
work.
>> 975
» 975
>> 975
» 975
>> correct.
» correct.
>> All right. Now we have now on Mr.
» All right. Now we have now on Mr.
Anderson's worksheet here for Blue
Mountain Road and John Day Road, he has
1,425,000.
>> Correct. We have budgeted 335,000.
» Correct. We have budgeted 335,000.
>> Right above the Blue Mountain Road 975
» Right above the Blue Mountain Road 975
says 1.425
>> Blue Mail. Okay. There's two. What's the
» Blue Mail. Okay. There's two. What's the
difference?
>> One's a schematic design and one is the
» One's a schematic design and one is the
intersection improvement
>> designed Blue Mail Road
» designed Blue Mail Road
>> and the 335 of the schematic design is
» and the 335 of the schematic design is
what we're hoping to to get from the
escrow, but if not, we have it budgeted
in case we need to use it.
>> This was all last last Saturday. Um
» This was all last last Saturday. Um
Chris
>> Mayor
» Mayor
>> Mayor, I'm over here. Sorry. Um, can I
» Mayor, I'm over here. Sorry. Um, can I
suggest that on this general fund
capital outlay, we actually make a
notation to the project names? So like,
um,
design Bluebound Road West at John Day
intersection. If we could put SD2 right
next to it.
>> Oh, okay. Are you perfect? Thank you.
» And I've got a column that correlates
back to Miss Marcy's once the project
number gets established. Okay.
[clears throat]
>> What else?
Okay. So, so Blound Road at John Day
Road, Blue Mound Road at FM 156, those
are projects SD1 and SD2. It sounds like
everybody wants to move forward with
those two projects this next next fiscal
year.
>> Yes,
» Yes,
>> Mr. Kathers, what I can do is as we give
» Mr. Kathers, what I can do is as we give
me the next few weeks, I could put
together a little action plan or
recommended steps because there's a lot
of moving parts with both of these
projects. maybe make a list of all the
things associated with each one and we
can have that as a presentation and an
update.
>> I mean, also if we even need to go as
» I mean, also if we even need to go as
far as getting parents to email the
county commissioner, you know, I mean,
because parents are screaming, "Please,
please, please help us with this road
every day." And it's school starts what,
in 4 days, you're going to hear a whole
I mean, not you,
>> but all of us are going to hear a whole
» but all of us are going to hear a whole
lot Yeah. a lot of complaints because
all of a sudden the traffic's going to
get a hundred times worse when everyone
starts going back to school again.
[clears throat] So, if we need to get
people to, you know, at least [snorts]
put their input publicly to get
residents and parents and school and
whoever to, you know, try to help build
a case for this,
>> then we need to know that, too, because
» then we need to know that, too, because
we want to do it in an appropriate way,
not in a let's yell and scream and throw
rocks way. You know what I mean?
>> Yes, sir. So
» Yes, sir. So
>> let me say well that that will be a
» let me say well that that will be a
council action a a a community
uh activation towards that has
engineering has no play in that
>> but but if we don't have willingness on
» but but if we don't have willingness on
all sides of this conversation we need
to raise our case a little bit.
>> Yeah I don't no one's going to come in
» Yeah I don't no one's going to come in
no one's going to come engineer this
project no one's going to come in and
start the rideway acquisition project. I
think we will be able to identify some
funding partners for the construction of
it. The mayor's already spoke to the
discussion that is ongoing about county
forces possibly constructing some of
both of these projects, but the the
heavy lifting on the front end is going
to have to be done now. We've we've had
these concepts, you know, put together
for oh, probably a year, but there there
was other than this concept plan, there
was no money behind it to actually get
the detailed work [clears throat] done
and start through that process because
once all that gets done, and we have
probably five or six agreements per
intersection, then we have to go move
all these utilities. And so it's going
to be a it will be a heavy two-year
project uh on the soft cost side of
things to get really minimal
improvements built. But I I do
understand what you're saying. And let
me go back and see if there's a way cuz
u one of the things that I know was
important at John Day Road in 156 and
probably still is is the the inability
for folks to get out onto Blue Mountain
Road. Yes. And so to your point about
trying to get some interim relief there,
let me see if I can go figure out a way
to, you know, the lapel folks are on the
hook for that signal 100%. That's what's
in the agreement. So there's no cost
share deep divvying up of those
improvements. Does that make sense? The
the turn lanes and everything, those are
all we got to sort through those. But
maybe there's a way we can look at
trying to accelerate the signal
improvements through the funding by
lapel while we sort through all these
other things. Does that make sense?
>> Yeah. I mean, just this last week, I
» Yeah. I mean, just this last week, I
mean, I had to go to a parent meeting,
what was it, Thursday night, and it was
just for athletics.
>> And when that meeting got got out,
» And when that meeting got got out,
>> John Day was backed up from Blue Mound
» John Day was backed up from Blue Mound
all the way back to Lera, just for that
one meeting.
>> That's not even a third of the school.
» That's not even a third of the school.
>> And that's only the middle school. I
» And that's only the middle school. I
don't even count the elementary school.
>> And I want to clarify as well. So the ll
» And I want to clarify as well. So the ll
agreement is is back. It's in effect.
Everything's fine with that.
>> Yes, ma'am.
» Yes, ma'am.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> That was an agreement between the city
» That was an agreement between the city
of
>> what it was. I know what happened to it.
» what it was. I know what happened to it.
And I know so it's it's everything's
good again with lapel agreement.
>> Correct. Yes, ma'am.
» Correct. Yes, ma'am.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Now you're there was the original lapel
» Now you're there was the original lapel
agreement. This this the the agreement
that I'm speaking of is the one with
Trioint Homes, the current homebuilder
developer. So, not the original.
>> Not the original one. So, I misspoke
» Not the original one. So, I misspoke
there. I'm sorry.
>> Okay. Thank you.
» Okay. Thank you.
>> The original one is not back on the
» The original one is not back on the
table.
>> Okay. Thank you.
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Uh I want to uh it doesn't solve any
» Uh I want to uh it doesn't solve any
long range problems, but uh Tarant
County Sheriff's Department is going to
have deputies at these intersections
here and on the other end at Jonte Road
and Abidel Hasset Road for the first
week of school just to help.
>> Are they going to direct traffic?
» Are they going to direct traffic?
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> That would be amazing. the high school
» That would be amazing. the high school
too the first week of school.
>> I know they didn't at other places, but
» I know they didn't at other places, but
they do.
>> But they're going to do it here on both
» But they're going to do it here on both
ends of John Day Road.
>> That'd be amazing. Thank you.
» All right, moving on.
>> Yes, sir.
» Yes, sir.
>> I'm going to go back to mine.
» I'm going to go back to mine.
>> Yes, sir.
» Are you done?
>> No, I was I think he was wanting to pull
» No, I was I think he was wanting to pull
up his
>> There you are. I mean, you're done with
» There you are. I mean, you're done with
John Day Road, right? Yes, sir.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
I would like to uh skip project S3 and
talk about project S4 just real quick
since we're talking Blue Mountain Road.
Okay.
>> Um we had put together a
» Um we had put together a
scope of work to get the Blue Mountain
Road 100% schematic done from one end to
the other. Uh that 335
we had anticipated being able to use
those escrow funds. That's obviously at
this point been determined not to be um
a viable option for funding, but if
you'd like to move forward with that,
that's needs to be in here somewhere.
But it sounds like that was handled.
Okay.
>> Okay. So, I've got that one marked.
» Okay. So, I've got that one marked.
Okay. Okay.
>> What is What's Blue Mound Ultimate? Is
» What is What's Blue Mound Ultimate? Is
that the whole road?
>> Yes. Or that's the schematic design from
» Yes. Or that's the schematic design from
one end to the other. Okay.
>> For [clears throat] the for the large
» For [clears throat] the for the large
ultimate project.
>> Okay. You got 1.4 million there so that
» Okay. You got 1.4 million there so that
we can cover both SD3 and
» SD one two and four.
>> We skipped three. We're
» We skipped three. We're
>> sorry.
» sorry.
>> Zach was asking about clarification on
» Zach was asking about clarification on
>> Yeah, but we have the 335 or whatever it
» Yeah, but we have the 335 or whatever it
is for SD4 in the in the budget,
correct? That y'all just said. Okay.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
So, we're gonna now we're going to get
back in order here and we're going to
talk about inter modal.
» So many pages.
>> So many pages.
» Yeah, I will. I just he was going over
the SD12 and four which we did talk
about last Saturday and had put back in
the budget. There was a design for Blue
Mountain Road at 1.425,
the Blue Mountain Road intersection
design at 975 and then the schematic at
335. So SD1, SD2, and SD4
>> have been discussed.
» have been discussed.
>> Oh no. Bye bye.
» And I'm sorry just to clarify. So SD
one, two, three, and four. I think we
all had funded last meeting. Correct.
>> Three. You haven't talked about
» Three. You haven't talked about
>> we haven't talked about three.
» we haven't talked about three.
>> Oh, we just haven't talked about three.
» Oh, we just haven't talked about three.
Correct.
>> We skipped want to skip three.
» We skipped want to skip three.
>> Why? Why are you skipping three?
» Why? Why are you skipping three?
>> Because I You had said you wanted to
» Because I You had said you wanted to
talk about three. So here
>> I've got an exhibit up here to see if we
» I've got an exhibit up here to see if we
can walk through Interotal Parkway real
quick.
>> Thank you. So what we've got here and I
» Thank you. So what we've got here and I
I can't remember if I've shared this
exhibit with you or not, but what we
have is a inter modal parkway from
Hasset Parkway clear down to Blue
Mountain Road. And my understanding of
the project as it exists today is that
we've got currently funded in this
budget that we're in right now $1.1
million
for the fourth leg of the traffic signal
and then the design and construction of
this yellow pavement.
>> I don't see that in here.
» I don't see that in here.
>> The western the western concrete
» The western the western concrete
>> is it in here?
» is it in here?
>> It's in here and it's 1.135 because you
» It's in here and it's 1.135 because you
asked for an extra 35. So we have that
fully funded. Do you see that?
>> It's um right under street improvements
» It's um right under street improvements
first
number.
Do you see it? We did 1.1
>> 35,000.
» 35,000.
>> We're carry for and we're carrying over
» We're carry for and we're carrying over
the one. Got it.
>> Thank you.
» Yes, ma'am. Got it.
>> Okay. Thank you.
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Okay. And can you clarify? Is this phase
» Okay. And can you clarify? Is this phase
two? I know I called it phase one, which
is where I think we got in the
confusion.
>> Go ahead. We're going to I think there's
» Go ahead. We're going to I think there's
Let me let me walk you through a couple
and there's only there's certain things
I'm going to need to tell you at the
next council meeting. Okay.
>> As it relates to rideway,
» As it relates to rideway,
>> um this project right now in yellow is
» um this project right now in yellow is
under design. We'll bring you plans for
presentation 60% plans. At the council
meeting, we're also going to bring you
back an update on the rightway.
>> Okay. Now, the reason there there's
» Okay. Now, the reason there there's
>> rightway of the yellow or rightway of
» rightway of the yellow or rightway of
all
>> um right away for yellow.
» um right away for yellow.
>> Okay. Okay. Um the reason that um
» Okay. Okay. Um the reason that um
so so right now we got phase one in
yellow and then phase two naturally
would be some sort of continuation of
the project down to Blue Mountain Road.
Okay. Now what we may need to discuss or
what we will discuss with you would be
um if there are rightway acquisition
um delays or uh we're not able to
acquire rightaway there is a solution
and I'm going to do this the best I can.
I'm not real good at drawing stuff but
where my red box is that's the right way
we need. Okay. If for whatever reason
that rightaway can't be obtained in a in
a manner that you guys are okay with, we
looked at the possibility of doing a
project where we could basically add
here's the existing configuration of the
ultimate section. These two lanes here
represent the 26 ft lanes that are
currently constructed in front of
stream. Then you've got a large median
and what we were proposing to build this
next year were these westbound lanes.
Everybody visualize that?
>> Yes. If for whatever reason that rideway
» Yes. If for whatever reason that rideway
cannot be attained in a schedule or in a
timeline that the town or the city is
happy with, we looked at the possibility
of trying to construct a third lane in
the existing rideway to facilitate a
connection between Hasslet Parkway and
Pasque. And what we what we've come up
with is we can make it fit. We would
basically tie in to the pavement that
was constructed um with city funds as
part of the stream development agreement
and then add in uh transitional pavement
through this large driveway here and
then you would transition back to
two-way traffic and come up to a
standard four-way intersection. Now,
that's not ideal, but that's that's
something that we need to look at and
we'll discuss more with you um at the
next council meeting.
>> Is is this intersection a huge priority
» Is is this intersection a huge priority
that we can't wait until we get, you
know, the the rightway? I mean, is it
>> I mean, I know that we want this, but is
» I mean, I know that we want this, but is
it something
>> I'm with you
» I'm with you
>> the I mean,
» the I mean,
>> I'm with you.
» I'm with you.
>> I'd rather wait until we can get the
» I'd rather wait until we can get the
rightway instead of try to rush it. I
mean, like, if it takes another year to
get the rideway, that that's it. I don't
think this is an intersection, but right
here is a [snorts] huge
>> Well, what what this intersection, in my
» Well, what what this intersection, in my
opinion, what this intersection will do
is take some of the pressure off of the
Harmon Road has a parkway intersection
because since the QT got built there and
the traffic keeps growing, lots of times
that light is now backing up, if you're
trying to turn right out off of Harmon
onto Hazit Parkway, for example. So,
this will allow another option for
people to get onto Hazit Parkway.
And what I'm hearing is this is just a
plan B if if we can't get the
[clears throat] rod away and do it the
way we want to do it.
>> We we we are moving forward with the
» We we we are moving forward with the
design as as instructed for the
ultimate.
>> Um we will bring you 60% plans. We will
» Um we will bring you 60% plans. We will
also bring you some more information on
the rideway and try to make sure we've
got good direction on on how to proceed.
I mean, we really need to put in a right
turn lane at Harmon Road and has a
parkway too the way the traffic's going
now. But
>> so question, I mean, is there a concern
» so question, I mean, is there a concern
on the rightway?
>> Cuz you don't normally plan a plan B
» Cuz you don't normally plan a plan B
unless
>> I think that's what we're talking about.
» I think that's what we're talking about.
>> Oh,
» Oh,
>> Monday night.
» Monday night.
>> Are you going to give us more
» Are you going to give us more
information about that? Okay. So then
the next question is that M that exit
point right here. That's going to be
trucks. Do we really think they can make
that turn in two lanes? because I don't
want traffic coming down when a truck's
turning. Do you see my concern?
>> That's why the third lane goes past
» That's why the third lane goes past
that.
>> I understand, but I don't think a truck
» I understand, but I don't think a truck
can make that turn without hitting that
curb consistently. Won't it have to go
into that sorry
>> that lane?
» that lane?
>> We feel like at a minimum
» We feel like at a minimum
um this is what's required to
facilitate.
That's why we've taken this transitional
pavement back through. Um this this turn
lane
is kind of um we didn't do a good job of
showing this. This could just be a
striped um center turn lane if that
makes sense. I do understand the concern
about truck traffic and turning and
that's that that's the reason why we
couldn't open up open it up as a
two-lane road because those trucks are
swinging too wide. So,
>> just something for us to consider if we
» just something for us to consider if we
have to go with B preparing to make sure
they can see those like incoming cars
because they're fast down that road. I
just see a head-on collision with a
truck happening because they can't see.
>> And I know at our what our one of our
» And I know at our what our one of our
previous council meetings, we talked
about it not being and this is phase
two, but or phase three, I don't know,
but it not being a straight line. We had
talked about adding some natural
curvatures. That'll be later
>> and we we we'll have that ready for
» and we we we'll have that ready for
discussion at the council meeting.
[cough] We've got we've [clears throat]
got two different options for traffic
calming. We've got some roadway designs.
We've also got some uh roundabouts as
well. So, we'll we'll get some direction
on on the phase two.
>> So, the money is good. The one point the
» So, the money is good. The one point the
1.1 plus the 35, that's a good amount.
>> Yes, ma'am.
» Yes, ma'am.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
And I guess it really isn't like wasting
the funds in building that because truly
that could just be a turn lane that's
useful in the future. We wouldn't tear
that down, right? That's what we would
we would just restripe it.
>> Well, I think we were planning to build
» Well, I think we were planning to build
that out of uh out of hot mix. Um on the
interim, we could we could look at if if
we have to go with the plan B, we could
look at or we could bid it both ways
>> just yeah with with the trucks and the
» just yeah with with the trucks and the
future plans for that area and the cars.
It might be beneficial if we go plan B.
» We can we can do that.
>> We'll we'll get there.
» We'll we'll get there.
>> We'll get there. I we'll bring you some
» We'll get there. I we'll bring you some
plans at the at the meeting. We'll have
an update on the on the rideway
discussion as well.
>> Sounds good.
» Sounds good.
>> Okay. So, that's why it's phase one,
» Okay. So, that's why it's phase one,
phase two, phase three,
phase 1 A.
I'm still confused at what phase
>> I messed up on my spreadsheet.
» I messed up on my spreadsheet.
>> Okay, so this is so it is phase
» Okay, so this is so it is phase
>> just say one and two for now.
» just say one and two for now.
>> Sorry
» Sorry
phase phase one is the small section.
Phase two is the big section. Correct.
>> Mayor, are you clear on that because you
» Mayor, are you clear on that because you
had some confusion?
>> I need something to clarify. That's one
» I need something to clarify. That's one
of the things I needed to visit with you
on.
>> Well, can we clarify? Phase one would be
» Well, can we clarify? Phase one would be
the minimum to tie that intersection
into the existing lanes
and install a signal light.
>> It's all
» It's all
>> that would be phase one. That would be
» that would be phase one. That would be
the if we have to go that route. Phase
two is taking from Hassa Parkway down to
Pasque. Is that correct?
>> No.
» No.
>> No. Phase two is pass.
» No. Phase two is pass.
>> Tell me what phase one is.
» Tell me what phase one is.
>> Phase one two and phase three.
» Phase one two and phase three.
>> Phase one is young. Right now it's phase
» Phase one is young. Right now it's phase
one and phase two. What's on this
exhibit? There is no phase three
at this point. Now there may need to we
may need to pivot depending on the
rideway and look at an interim project.
>> So that would be a phase 1 A.
» So that would be a phase 1 A.
>> Correct. That would probably be a better
» Correct. That would probably be a better
way.
>> Phase 1 A is
» Phase 1 A is
we have to do this to open up and
utilize the road until right away can be
obtained.
>> Correct.
» Correct.
>> Yes. And so we could and that because
» Yes. And so we could and that because
you have 1.135, you can do either one or
1 A. That's just going to drop itself
out
>> as we as we move forward. So maybe we
» as we as we move forward. So maybe we
label it that one 1A.
>> Can we under the same?
» Can we under the same?
>> Okay. So Marcy, do you have that? We're
» Okay. So Marcy, do you have that? We're
going to label it one.
>> There we go.
» There we go.
>> Beautiful.
» Beautiful.
>> And we'll we'll uh this this exhibit
» And we'll we'll uh this this exhibit
will get updated.
>> Well, this exhibit would have to be
» Well, this exhibit would have to be
updated. It's not simply just labeling
something one a over here.
>> Yes, he he's saying he's updating it
» Yes, he he's saying he's updating it
>> and I'll I'll I'll bring this back.
» and I'll I'll I'll bring this back.
>> Good.
» State three.
>> Do we have the
» Do we have the
>> phase?
» phase?
>> So, you're not wanting to do anything
» So, you're not wanting to do anything
for phase two next year, correct? Even
rideaway acquisition.
>> Uh I don't know that we've I don't know
» Uh I don't know that we've I don't know
that we have any rideway that we need to
acquire unless there's some down there
at the corner.
>> What did you We have it all.
» What did you We have it all.
It's all
>> showing there.
» showing there.
>> So all the
» So all the
>> huge all the way down that was
» huge all the way down that was
dedicated. [clears throat]
>> Yeah, there now there may need to be
» Yeah, there now there may need to be
some depending on what your direction is
as far as the intersection treatments,
>> but we can get into all that and there
» but we can get into all that and there
there's there's plenty of money in this
budget to figure that out. We don't need
any additional funds for phase two. We
don't.
>> Do you want us to put phase one 1A/2 in
» Do you want us to put phase one 1A/2 in
case you need a little?
>> So Marcy's just labeling it SD3 and
» So Marcy's just labeling it SD3 and
that's going to clarify everything.
>> There we go.
» There we go.
>> Beautiful.
» Beautiful.
>> There we go.
» There we go.
>> I just say they'll check project S3.
» I just say they'll check project S3.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> There we go.
» There we go.
>> And also Jasmine, in the future, if your
» And also Jasmine, in the future, if your
HOA decided to, they could tie into a
back entrance for your neighborhood into
this road, but it's not currently
planned because
>> there's not a connection. But there's
» there's not a connection. But there's
two spots right there that could connect
if you wanted to.
>> I'd be curious to see what the community
» I'd be curious to see what the community
thought.
>> Your HOA would have to decide that.
» Your HOA would have to decide that.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
[clears throat]
>> Good point.
» Good point.
>> Okay. So, we'll bring back this exhibit.
» Okay. So, we'll bring back this exhibit.
There's going to be a phase two. There's
two alternatives that we're going to
propose for phase two for traffic
calming and then we'll bring our plans
for phase one 60% design. And we'll have
an update for the rideway.
>> Thank you. in executive session.
» Thank you. in executive session.
>> Perfect.
» Perfect.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
Anything else on project SD3?
>> Go ahead.
» Go ahead.
>> Um, it shows on here we don't have any
» Um, it shows on here we don't have any
money budgeted for S from from past to
Blue Mountains, right?
>> Yep.
» Yep.
>> Is that correct?
» Is that correct?
>> That's what we just talked about. We
» That's what we just talked about. We
don't need it next year.
>> Okay. I don't know. I I this might not
» Okay. I don't know. I I this might not
sound very popular decision or thought,
but I feel like we have other projects
that are like Blue Mound and John Day
like or Blue Mound and I feel like we
have other roads that are more important
right now than than um Interal from past
cuz that's I mean I don't know how many
cars going that a day.
>> It's the danger. It's that road is
» It's the danger. It's that road is
extreme. No, I know it's it's dangerous,
but I mean like I feel like the Blue
Mountains, the intersections, I feel
like we need to put more time and more I
feel like we need to really get those
going before John before interal. Um I
don't know my my mind I think that's a
down the road. I know it's only a
two-lane road. I know it's dangerous,
but I think we need to get the uh
intermodal phase one done, but I think
phase two from PAS, I think that could
wait a good while. I think for sure.
>> Yeah, that's what's on here. We don't
» Yeah, that's what's on here. We don't
have anything until 2031 beyond.
>> Yeah, we're not doing phase 2 right now.
» Yeah, we're not doing phase 2 right now.
>> Okay. Well, we talked about doing we
» Okay. Well, we talked about doing we
talked about doing schematics and stuff
like that. So, I'm just saying I think
we should even hold off on that and to
get everything else. Don't even put any
money in that.
>> It's just what he has to do for the like
» It's just what he has to do for the like
overlay. He's not focusing too much on
phase two. He's going to bring cost for
us to plan and prepare for future. Okay.
>> But my understanding is the only part of
» But my understanding is the only part of
phase two [clears throat] he's really
touching is what he needs to plan for
the future. Mike, is that correct?
>> That's correct. and the the intersection
» That's correct. and the the intersection
at Blue Mound. We can cover the
intersection design at Blue Mound, which
is the um that can be covered with the
schematic for Blue Mound. um that that
entrance into SweetG Grass, we can we
can come up with enough during the
design of phase one and this work that
we're going to be doing over the next
couple weeks to update you to know um
what if any rideway needs because that
would be critical path would be get your
direction on how you'd like to calm the
speeds down. Pick a pick the type of
design you want, go through our two
recommended options, and then identify
the rideway needs. And there's plenty of
money in this phase one budget to take
care of that.
>> We are setting a trailer out next week,
» We are setting a trailer out next week,
speed trailers on Interotal
to take traffic counts and speeds.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> That uh [clears throat]
» so that'll be information and that might
be available in three or four weeks.
>> I drive on that road a lot. There's
» I drive on that road a lot. There's
actually not a speed limit sign anywhere
on that road.
Well, James Tucker thinks it's Ottabon.
>> So, [clears throat] I I assume it's 35
» So, [clears throat] I I assume it's 35
because that's, you know, that's what
they say.
>> All Urban Street is 30 actually. Is it's
» All Urban Street is 30 actually. Is it's
just residential. Uh that's just state
law,
>> but that's not a res.
» but that's not a res.
>> You're right about that. It's just uh
» You're right about that. It's just uh
you might make a note of that.
>> There's not a single speed limit sign on
» There's not a single speed limit sign on
that road.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> 75,
» 75,
>> right? No, they go 90. I'm telling you.
» right? No, they go 90. I'm telling you.
>> From from Blue Mound to over to Hazard
» From from Blue Mound to over to Hazard
Parkway on Inner Motoral right there,
there's not a single speed limit sign.
>> And it's not and it's not a residential
» And it's not and it's not a residential
road. It's a major road,
>> arterial, whatever you want to call it.
» arterial, whatever you want to call it.
So, it shouldn't be 30.
>> What What would you like for it to be?
» What What would you like for it to be?
>> 90.
» 90.
>> No, I I always assume it's 35 and I
» No, I I always assume it's 35 and I
assume I drive. No one goes 35.
>> Nobody. But
» Nobody. But
>> I go 36.
What's next?
>> ST.
» ST.
>> Everyone good with one, two, three, and
» Everyone good with one, two, three, and
four? We're moving on to
>> I just had one question from when I was
» I just had one question from when I was
nurse or sorry um the [laughter]
>> sorry the the rightway acquisition for
» sorry the the rightway acquisition for
um John Day who's doing that?
» Who's physically going to do that?
>> Who's working on those conversations?
» Who's working on those conversations?
Um,
>> with regard to what portion of John Day
» with regard to what portion of John Day
Road,
>> the south, the one that we're working
» the south, the one that we're working
>> talking about John Day Road, any um the
» talking about John Day Road, any um the
right away, the north south aspect of
it. You're not talking about anything on
Blue Road, are you?
>> Correct. I'm talking about
» Correct. I'm talking about
>> all of south of John Day.
» Oh, I guess that's SD5. I can wait.
>> You can wait. That's where we're about
» You can wait. That's where we're about
to go. So, that's a good
>> I misread. I'm sorry. That's a good
» I misread. I'm sorry. That's a good
segue into SD5.
>> Perfect.
» Perfect.
>> So, John Day Road, um,
» So, John Day Road, um,
this is the southern portion that's
built currently as a two-lane black top
road. We put this rough concept together
a couple of years ago when we were
trying to coordinate and plan the
entrances into the Lrrell property.
And so, um,
one of the things that that we were
asked to look at a couple of months ago
was, um, what can we do to get going on
the design indoor rideway acquisition
for John Day Road? This piece of John
Day Road. Um,
>> are you telling me that LRL is going to
» are you telling me that LRL is going to
have two exits from their neighborhood
onto that road?
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Oh my gosh.
» Oh my gosh.
and those and so subsequent to that
meeting that council meeting where you
where you all said hey we want to look
into this go figure it out what it would
take um the lapril developer has brought
his plans in and said we need to work
with the city to lower
um or to install drainage coverts and
this isn't exact but it's close enough
there's there's a three ponds I don't
know if this is right or not, it doesn't
matter. It's close enough.
There's three ponds that have to go in
for this development. They're roughly
where I'm showing here on the screen.
>> Yeah, you can see they're already
» Yeah, you can see they're already
working on them.
>> Oh, yeah.
» Oh, yeah.
>> So, the that road when that road was
» So, the that road when that road was
built, that road was built above grade.
So the coverts, in order for them to
drain their ponds, which are lower than
the roadway, they have to come in and
install coververts, cross cover culverts
underneath John Day Road to drain their
detention ponds underneath John Day Road
and then out into that 97 acres. So the
the property owner of the 97 acres and
the developer of LRL
have an agreement in place and have a
set of construction plans that they gave
to us two weeks ago that said here's
what we need to do here. And I said, you
know, this seems reasonable, but we need
to make sure that when you guys go and
do this that these coverts are set at
the right elevation so that they can
accommodate the ultimate roadway
improvements. Does that make sense to do
that? You know, they're not proposing to
go design the road. Um, I did tell them
that, you know, it's going to take us a
little bit of time to figure out from
the city's perspective what what the
necessary elevation of those facilities
should be, the sizing of them because
it's crossing underneath the road um is
is is set up to just take their flow
from their detention pond. And so we've
got some money in here to do basically
the schematic design of that roadway as
part of this next year's budget and
coordinate with the lapel folks and
their their project. I think they're
they're hoping to have those facilities
in place by March of 27. That's when
they really need to have those
facilities in place. And so we we
haven't even really we just got the
final grading plans for the subdivision.
They they sent those separate and aside
from the drainage improvements. So we
haven't really got into those. But um
>> will they have to shut down the road to
» will they have to shut down the road to
do part of this?
>> Oh, I'm sure they Yeah, it's they're
» Oh, I'm sure they Yeah, it's they're
they're box culverts.
So that will be one of the things that
we have to figure out is traffic control
and
>> when they're going to do it and how
» when they're going to do it and how
they're going to do it. Yes, sir.
>> 3:00 in the morning only. They're also
» 3:00 in the morning only. They're also
across the street working on that 16inch
water line
that they've been interrupted because
there's gas lines over there that they
didn't locate during the design. Be
>> a rough year.
» a rough year.
>> So, they found those out last was that
» So, they found those out last was that
last week?
>> What' you say, Jasmine?
» What' you say, Jasmine?
>> So, that project shut down while they go
» So, that project shut down while they go
back and redo their engineering plans
and send them back in.
>> So, that is not currently in our budget.
» So, that is not currently in our budget.
Correct. That 200,000.
>> That's right. That's correct.
» That's right. That's correct.
>> Yeah. So, if you wanted to add that um
» Yeah. So, if you wanted to add that um
>> I'm sorry, what do we need the 200,000
» I'm sorry, what do we need the 200,000
for?
>> 55
» 55
>> 200,000 would get the get John Day road
» 200,000 would get the get John Day road
set up for for an ultimate schematic
design.
>> Get a pavement design report, geotech,
» Get a pavement design report, geotech,
identify the rideway, get the rideway
docks prepared, do the horizontal and
vertical.
>> So, we would need we would need 200,000
» So, we would need we would need 200,000
this year, 800 the next year, 310 the
next year, and then 7.8 to build it.
>> That's Yeah, if you want some point
» That's Yeah, if you want some point
>> Yeah. If you wanted to do the $ 8.4
» Yeah. If you wanted to do the $ 8.4
million project, build four lanes of
concrete,
>> that's what it would take to get
» that's what it would take to get
>> four lanes of not the black top is there
» four lanes of not the black top is there
now.
>> Correct. Build it just like the north
» Correct. Build it just like the north
end in L. Yes, sir.
>> And that's without the roundabouts.
» And that's without the roundabouts.
>> No, I got the roundabouts factored in.
» No, I got the roundabouts factored in.
>> Okay. So, I kind of want to speak to
» Okay. So, I kind of want to speak to
everyone for a minute. To me, this road
would be one of the top most important
ones in the city besides the
intersections. And that's because we
have to look to the future for the
bridge and also the incoming traffic
from there's three streets emptying out.
And then also they haven't set exact
plans, but they can have anywhere from
two, correct me if I'm wrong, four.
Can't they have a total of four exits or
is it only the two
>> um
» um
>> for the ILA? That would be
» for the ILA? That would be
>> I thought l
» I thought l
>> No, four.
» No, four.
>> Uh triple T is five.
» Uh triple T is five.
>> Yeah, that's what I thought. I thought
» Yeah, that's what I thought. I thought
it was significantly more. So between
all that emptying out and then the
future construction where we will at
some point have that bridge exit shut
down, you're talking about a community
trapped to a a one each way, so two-lane
road. We're going to have a huge problem
if we don't get ahead of fixing John
Day.
>> Absolutely.
» Absolutely.
>> Um and that's not just a traffic
» Um and that's not just a traffic
concern, it's a safety concern. Um, I
personally would like to see us
prioritize this, even if we have to
remove something else, and put a million
to start getting that rightway acquired
because it's just going to get more
expensive. Um, and so we can also start
speaking to our partners about getting
them to go in on the funding. The
rightway is just really important.
They're about to start building on
Triple T. They're trying to figure out
who's interested. I think we get the
right away while that land's empty. It's
going to be a little easier and probably
a little cheaper. Just
>> when we talk about that Monday night,
» when we talk about that Monday night,
>> I I'm talking about putting it in the
» I I'm talking about putting it in the
budget for next year.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Not the details. I just think we should
» Not the details. I just think we should
put more than even if we don't do all
I'm Well, that's one landowner. Wouldn't
it be one purchase?
>> Yeah, it'd be pretty straightforward.
» Yeah, it'd be pretty straightforward.
It's just expensive.
>> So 1 million would be the 200,000 for
» So 1 million would be the 200,000 for
this year and the 800,000.
>> You want to slide that 800 over to this
» You want to slide that 800 over to this
year?
>> I think we need to. We're going to have
» I think we need to. We're going to have
to move this up the bridge. Let's let's
put in the 1 million if that's if we
agree and then we can go back and look
and see
>> how that plays out with in the budget.
» how that plays out with in the budget.
>> Mike, would you agree that it'll get
» Mike, would you agree that it'll get
more expensive as they develop that
land, especially if they parcel it out
to different
>> Yes. And we don't we've been told by the
» Yes. And we don't we've been told by the
by the property owner that they don't
have any intent to plat the property
that they intent to parcel it out in 10
acre parcels or more which would then
multip them to dedicate right away.
>> Okay. So we do need to get in front of
» Okay. So we do need to get in front of
this in your
>> Yes. I would recommend that. And I I
» Yes. I would recommend that. And I I
mean I yeah I agree with the $1 million
placeholder, but we also possibly
[clears throat] hopefully you have a
little bit of the right of way for the
John Day improvements could be less. And
then there's a couple other things I I
want to talk about possibly sliding out.
So I'm okay with 1 million because I
agree with what you said.
>> And then just for future Mike, when
» And then just for future Mike, when
you're doing the rightway acquisition
for this, I would like to possibly be a
part of it with Joe. We did establish
kind of a relationship with them back a
few months ago. I think just if we can
be a part of those conversations.
>> Understood.
» Understood.
>> Um
» Um
Mike,
>> so is there consensus on that?
» so is there consensus on that?
>> So how much money are you adding
» So how much money are you adding
million? What project? John Day Road.
>> There's no line. So it' be a new line
» There's no line. So it' be a new line
item for SD51 million.
>> I'm going with 1 million, Chris.
» I'm going with 1 million, Chris.
>> And that is for right away.
» And that is for right away.
>> Undecided.
» Undecided.
>> Schematic and right away. I thought you
» Schematic and right away. I thought you
guys were doing a stare down.
>> We We got to get ahead of it. We can't
» We We got to get ahead of it. We can't
We We We got to get going.
>> I would give up like almost anything
» I would give up like almost anything
else just because I I
>> have some ideas to get
» have some ideas to get
>> I'm trying to get a hold of the numbers.
» I'm trying to get a hold of the numbers.
Y'all just signed
>> 1 million schematic and rideway John Day
» 1 million schematic and rideway John Day
Road South.
>> Okay. You've got that already.
» Okay. You've got that already.
>> Oh, you going to move the 800,000 up
» Oh, you going to move the 800,000 up
now? No, I'm I'm saying we're putting
one million We would like to put $1
million into the budget for project SD5,
which is John Day Road South schematic
and right ofway.
>> That 200,000 is not in the current. So,
» That 200,000 is not in the current. So,
they're putting both years in.
>> Correct.
» Correct.
>> So, we're going to replace the 200,000
» So, we're going to replace the 200,000
with 1 million and put
>> the 200,000 is not in the proposed. So,
» the 200,000 is not in the proposed. So,
they're adding a million,
>> right? That that's what I said. Okay.
» Okay.
>> Uh Mike, one question.
» Uh Mike, one question.
>> Yes sir.
» Yes sir.
>> Um so in 20 29 20 2930 we need 7.8. Is
» Um so in 20 29 20 2930 we need 7.8. Is
there some way that uh we can
>> Sorry, did I say it wrong?
» Sorry, did I say it wrong?
at on 20 2930 7.8 to to finish this.
>> It could be a year earlier if because
» It could be a year earlier if because
we're putting year one and two already
in.
>> I know,
» I know,
>> but what Yeah.
» but what Yeah.
>> Um we currently don't have the money to
» Um we currently don't have the money to
do all this at once. So is there and
that would be wonder if we did. Um but
can is there somebody like at Lapril or
is there somebody like that that we
could talk to or is there a way that
lapel could help us out with this money?
Um I think we've talked about this
recently, but could you is that
something we could talk about now or is
that
>> We could also talk to ENTOG. We could
» We could also talk to ENTOG. We could
also do a bond. I mean all
>> Yeah. One of one of the things that I
» Yeah. One of one of the things that I
would recommend is that some discussion
be held with Fort Worth because there's
uh the the impact fees that are going to
be paid by the builder, which is Laprell
himself. He had to build all of Waggley
Robertson through his subdivision. and
they were talking about uh the
possibility of the him also paying
impact fees. We looked into and we had
some discussions with the impact fee uh
program manager for Fort Worth a couple
years ago. She said that they couldn't
remit those impact fees to us because
that road wasn't identified in their
impact fee program. But I would suggest
that maybe some additional discussions
be held with Fort Worth and just do it
through an agreement of some sort. We've
we've we've got the data that shows the
percentage of traffic um onto that
roadway. Uh the the adjacent property is
currently located in the county. So,
we've got a a
>> good argument,
» good argument,
>> a breakdown and we've also got the
» a breakdown and we've also got the
background traffic from Lata. So, I
think those discussions need to occur um
in order to find some additional
partners to chip away at that 7.8
million.
But the but the initial funding and the
initial lifting and agreements and all
the things it's it's important to get
that going because it's this one this
one should go quicker I think than the
intersections because there's fewer
utilities to move and you're only
dealing with one particular property
owner for right away. If we started
meeting with the Fort Worth and Laprrell
and all that and with the impact fees
and stuff, that's something that we
could probably start now discussions and
maybe next year hopefully, you know,
those discussions go good, get some
extra money to help out.
>> Is that correct?
» Is that correct?
>> Yeah, I think that there's there's money
» Yeah, I think that there's there's money
in here to to support that effort from
our perspective. We could we could
definitely support whatever
>> whatever discussions need to be had.
» whatever discussions need to be had.
We've got the breakdown of traffic. We
just really need to get a little bit
into the design so we can fine-tune that
cost a little bit and u ultimately
decide on a footprint in the rideway.
>> Exactly. Yeah. When I brought this
» Exactly. Yeah. When I brought this
forward a few months ago or six weeks
ago, um that was the whole intent is to
just get this to kind of the schematics
and try to get the rightway acquired
because it sets us up for them to want
to partner with us when we're too far
out into the future. They're like,
"Maybe I can help you, maybe I can't."
Like what does it look like? What are
exactly are we asking for from them? And
how ready to go are we? Because also
Hasllet has a tendency of kind of
not agreeing on the path forward and in
this situation we're saying we're all
moving forward in this. This is how much
we need to get it done. Here's the
benefit. Here's the studies. So we go
with them to or go to them with
everything we need and just say help us
please.
» So
where we landed was 1 million, right?
>> Okay.
» Okay.
[clears throat]
>> Okay. Next project we have uh fund 20
» Okay. Next project we have uh fund 20
roadway improvements.
Um I don't have the sheets you all have.
>> They're all in.
» They're all in.
>> They're all in
» They're all in
>> in the transportation tax fund.
» in the transportation tax fund.
>> So So let's walk through these real
» So So let's walk through these real
quick one by one. They're pretty
straightforward projects. First one is a
set of striping and pavement marking
improvements that we recommend being
done uh for Westport Interotal Harmon
Blue Mound Keller Hasslet. I think um
we're still under we're still under
maintenance on that one. So, I put a
note in to get that one dealt with. I
did see that those pavement markings
aren't holding up too well at 156.
So, we've got a note in to get with our
contractor on that, but just some
pavement marking and improvements and we
we feel like that's a good good number
to start with for those. Um,
Verona emergency repair.
Did we were we trying to get that done
in this budget?
That's
>> this budget year is taken care of
» this budget year is taken care of
already.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> So, that one's done.
» So, that one's done.
Then we had Hasset Park interim repairs.
Real similar to that recent set of
improvements that was done back in
April, May where we came in and got rid
of that busted up unreinforced concrete
and put down hot mix.
I think we anticipate what was it
Shriber that needed the next set of
interim repairs. Was
that the is that the 100,000? I see
100,000.
>> Um, water crest. We had Verona. Um,
» Um, water crest. We had Verona. Um,
this is Verona. I I pulled this out.
This was from last year. I think I
presented this. This
is the half million dollar block right
here. This has to get rebuilt. We
anticipate the source of that failure is
inadequate compaction on that sewer
trench. And so we were proposing to come
back in and uh get that all rebuilt in a
manner consistent with what the
developer had done in Sweetgrass phase
2. Now
>> that's in water crest. That's Verona.
» that's in water crest. That's Verona.
Yes.
>> So that's on on top of the
» So that's on on top of the
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead.
» Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead.
>> It's in the vines.
» It's in the vines.
>> Oh, the vines. I'm sorry.
» Oh, the vines. I'm sorry.
>> That's their main main and out.
» That's their main main and out.
>> So there's two Verona repairs. No, this
» So there's two Verona repairs. No, this
is this is the only ver well there was a
Verona emergency repair.
>> Yeah, we did a repair earlier in the
» Yeah, we did a repair earlier in the
year and then this is pretty critical
that this gets done. This is just
further down.
>> This is ma'am total. It's already
» This is ma'am total. It's already
>> this is just represent about 500,000 of
» this is just represent about 500,000 of
that 750.
>> Yeah.
» And this section here really is critical
that it gets done. It's it is they got
intermediate repairs just asphalt on top
of stuff but it is so much pavement
movement. It is absolutely have to be
done.
>> So the the north north Glenn Wimberly
» So the the north north Glenn Wimberly
those those are under construction as we
speak. Those were authorized by the
council on the third
>> level one.
» level one.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> So I misspoke earlier. the Careway
» So I misspoke earlier. the Careway
entrance 500,000 is not in
>> but you added but I added $60,000 to
» but you added but I added $60,000 to
>> the [clears throat] 60 so there was 120
» the [clears throat] 60 so there was 120
total 120
>> yes
» yes
>> okay and the and the 750 right now in
» okay and the and the 750 right now in
the budget we estimate this right here
to be 500 so there'll
>> be some
» be some
>> I think there's going to be some
» I think there's going to be some
leftover yes ma'am
>> so looking on page 277 just to make make
» so looking on page 277 just to make make
sure I'm on the same page I have 120,000
for the careway
entrance is adding the s 100,000 Hassup
Park 250,000 phase one striping plan
200 No well yeah I'll leave the $200,000
for the Bane and then 750 for Verona
Wimberly is that that correct
>> okay
» so I'll update my spreadsheet to say
Careway entrances and I'll reflect the
120
and then we'll come up with a cost
estimate once we figure out how we're
going to get the water out of there
because we just threw some numbers in to
get the discussion going.
>> So, really quick, can um Marcy, can you
» So, really quick, can um Marcy, can you
also put SD6 on those in the back on
page 277 to align
>> through the rest of the document? And
» through the rest of the document? And
then the 200,000 for Bane is staying.
» Okay. And where is that on your Bane?
It's not because it was a current,
>> but if we if it gets done this fiscal
» but if we if it gets done this fiscal
year and that 200,000 will go back to
general fund.
>> It'll go back in the transportation tax.
» It'll go back in the transportation tax.
>> Transportation. Oh, yes. 20. Okay.
» Okay. So, Bane's not in your schedule.
So, this doesn't have anything for the
current year. It's only if it's going to
next year.
Got it.
So SD6, the fund 20 roadway
improvements. Everyone's
good with that.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
[clears throat]
» SD7 Hasslet Park reinforced concrete
paving.
There was there I believe there's money
in this year's budget to carry over and
get into the design for Hassa Park
concrete streets.
Where is that in the
>> There's a 120 that was added.
» There's a 120 that was added.
>> Um 120 I don't rather than the 180
» Um 120 I don't rather than the 180
that's on your sheet
>> back on the general fund. I I think that
» back on the general fund. I I think that
that's something that that was one of my
that was one of my um possible slideouts
or possible weights one year to focus on
the million the million of John Day
road. It's just a possibility we can
discuss as a council.
love too if he was
>> I know agree as a as a council person I
» I know agree as a as a council person I
have to think of the entire city not
just my subdivision that I love and all
my neighbors but I mean I was elected by
>> a lot of people and everybody and I know
» a lot of people and everybody and I know
a lot of people and a lot of
subdivisions either I taught them or I'm
friends with them or so I'm not just
thinking of myself or my neighborhood
ever and I think this is one item we
could possibly move one year out
>> comments conversation We actually
» comments conversation We actually
on it
>> the 120 Houselet Park reinforced
» the 120 Houselet Park reinforced
concrete paving design
>> that's in our general fund.
» that's in our general fund.
>> Speaking from another resident in House
» Speaking from another resident in House
of Park, I I I would love to get it done
now, but I think that the band-aids that
we
>> the band-aids that we did with the
» the band-aids that we did with the
asphalt has helped tremendously.
>> Um I don't feel like I'm going to pop my
» Um I don't feel like I'm going to pop my
tire every time I go down Barry. Um,
>> I mean, I would love to get it done
» I mean, I would love to get it done
because it's there's another spot on
Odessa when I was walking the other
morning that's pretty falling apart, but
I think the band-aid we did could last
us another year. But I don't
>> I know that there's residents in our
» I know that there's residents in our
neighborhood that keep asking me, and I
don't know about Tanya and Doug, when
are we going to get this done? But I
think if we can if we want to put that
off another year, I think that will be
okay because there are some other
projects we need to get going. But the
band-aid, if we didn't do the band-aid
or the asphalt, I would I would push
Tanya away right now.
>> You still want to push her away. It's
» You still want to push her away. It's
okay.
>> I I think that's I think that'll be okay
» I I think that's I think that'll be okay
because the the asphalt that we did
helped tremendously. So, I really
appreciate
>> um our engineering team and and city
» um our engineering team and and city
getting that public works getting that
done.
>> Can we also just ask really quick, Mike,
» Can we also just ask really quick, Mike,
James, where do you guys think Hasllet
Parkway is on the needs? Do you think
it's a one-year out, two-year out? Do we
need more money this year to potentially
patch? He's talking about another spot.
I'd just like to hear from you guys.
>> So, on the one one of the challenges
» So, on the one one of the challenges
with that one is because that material
is unpredictable. It is hard to say for
sure over the next year. Will we have
something considerable happen? It is
more likely we'll need to do something.
I think we could probably address it
with the regular uh street maintenance
repair budget. So, if we have something
that pops up, I think we can get a year
out. But we have the least amount of
experience and ability to predict what
those streets are going to do because
they rapidly got to the point they were
with the patches we did this year that
was unexpected. So, we know we have to
repave those roads. So, I think you're
safe to gamble another year, but not too
much further after that. Or you need to
put in money. If we're going to go too
much further past a year, put in money
for more intermediate, you know, asphalt
repairs.
Thank you, James. Mike, any addition?
>> I concur with James. That's I've never
» I concur with James. That's I've never
dealt with roads that don't have
reinforcement in them. So, it's pretty
tough for us.
>> They're not reinforced at all.
» They're not reinforced at all.
>> No, there's no reason.
» No, there's no reason.
>> That's why they the the first third of
» That's why they the the first third of
our street doesn't have rebar. They just
rolled it. The second two/3s um has
rebar and that's reason why it's really
strong and nice. the first third on each
street. That's the reason why it's
crumbling and falling apart because it
was never done right. And so that's the
reason why we're having to go back and
fix it. That's the whole reason. Two and
three. This other two/3s are perfect. I
mean, they'll last a long long long
time.
>> How much do you have in for asset part
» How much do you have in for asset part
repairs, asphalt repair?
>> How much is in?
» How much is in?
>> We got 100,000
» We got 100,000
in fund 20. Mhm.
>> You might take that at least to 150 if
» You might take that at least to 150 if
not double it because what happened with
Barry it started what year two years ago
there's cracks and it always had cracks
and then exponentially
it just started failing to everybody's
surprise every week it was and chunks
are falling off. So this is very
unpredictable.
I would double that repair budget. Yes.
Put the two million whatever it is off
for concrete
permanent replacement, but double that
repair budget. So that's because it it
can get bad very fast from one week to
the next. We noted it grew
substantially. The failure did. Mhm.
James, could you uh could y'all maybe
Mike look at the There's another section
um east of the new spot y'all did on
Odessa going towards 156. There's a
section that's just
>> falling apart. If you don't look into
» falling apart. If you don't look into
that, maybe maybe asphalt in that like
you did the other spots.
>> We'll look at that. And there's also a
» We'll look at that. And there's also a
section on the front half of Adessa, I
think, that's starting to show large
separation just kind of closer to the
gas station area. There's several
sections we watching, but it is like
there's cracks that were there in in the
early days that haven't moved at all and
then other sections that just all of a
sudden you see that rapid deterioration.
So, we'll look at that one specifically.
>> So, Mayor Hoy, you're you're saying in
» So, Mayor Hoy, you're you're saying in
fund 20 instead of the $100,000
um change that to 150 200.
>> I would propose 200.
» I would propose 200.
>> Where is that?
» Where is that?
>> On page 277
» On page 277
in fund 20.
Is that how does that
>> that's okay?
» that's okay?
>> I don't think there's anything wrong
» I don't think there's anything wrong
with that. Yeah, I think and to that
point, mayor, that's a good point. And
it's and this is some of the stuff we
were chasing. The exhibit you see up
behind you is, if you recall, we bid
some areas and then by the time we got
to construction and you really started
chasing it, what you see in red cost
$100,000.
So, and we had really good pricing on
this. So I think 200 would be it would
cover any of the immediate needs for
this next year. 100 may be cutting it
close but um I would feel good with the
200
>> comes out of fun 20 doesn't come out of
» comes out of fun 20 doesn't come out of
the general fund.
>> Yes. And that's what fund 20's
» Yes. And that's what fund 20's
>> that's what it's for. That's it.
» that's what it's for. That's it.
>> And just a general comment on the all
» And just a general comment on the all
those fund 20 projects we did this year.
I mean it eliminated I would say like
90% of the complaints we had coming in.
We were getting I mean just
>> huge.
» huge.
>> Oh yeah, it was huge
» Oh yeah, it was huge
>> for road related you know problems. It
» for road related you know problems. It
was almost instantaneous especially the
ones on Westport. It was really great to
go through there and just kind of patch
and address all those little problem
areas and it really has helped. Like
that was I would say one of the best
projects we did this year that really
seemed to make the general public happy
with roads through town.
>> So Ton, sorry go ahead. So Tanya, you
» So Ton, sorry go ahead. So Tanya, you
were saying take that two and a half
million and didn't take it that
somewhere else.
>> No, I never said two and a half million.
» No, I never said two and a half million.
It's it's budgeted in our general budget
is 120,000.
>> I'm saying take take that out. Maybe
» I'm saying take take that out. Maybe
wait a year, but add 100,000 to fund 20.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> The 120
» The 120
>> 120 or it says streets and drainage.
» 120 or it says streets and drainage.
It's it's above the yellow.
>> Um it's above the 165 and 1.425. Do you
» Um it's above the 165 and 1.425. Do you
see it?
>> No. Can you show
» No. Can you show
So in 2728 that 2 and a half million for
Hassa Park for concrete's just going to
go away. So that
>> sliding sliding. Okay.
» sliding sliding. Okay.
>> Double your double your maintenance
» Double your double your maintenance
dollars and let's slide the design and
full reconstruction out a year.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Okay. I actually have a question.
» Okay. I actually have a question.
>> Sure. that um
» Sure. that um
this sounds like it's more of a concern
than the Careway and I live in Careoway
so I hate saying this but if you had to
prioritize the Careway drainage we just
put
20,000 towards Careway next year but
this does sound more like a priority
this road should we re
>> you what
» you what
>> the HLlet Parkway was not a it's it's
» the HLlet Parkway was not a it's it's
it's been fixed it's been I mean the
it's and
>> patched.
» patched.
>> I understand, but I'm asking because it
» I understand, but I'm asking because it
sounds like it's not a long-term
solution. They're saying we can maybe
push this off one year, but earlier they
were saying Careway's drainage issue
doesn't impact the road at all. So, do
we have these priorities kind of mixed?
Because if it's just a nuisance for
Caraway, but theirs is an actual safety
concern. Do you get what I'm asking,
Mike?
>> I I get what you're asking. I think um I
» I I get what you're asking. I think um I
think the the interim fixes that we're
recommending that you fund will probably
take I think what we ran into in Hassa
Park was you know kind of started as
aesthetics. Hey, why doesn't my street
look like this street? But by the time
we got out there last year, I mean there
were on Odessa there was you could stick
your foot down in some of those cracks.
So we've we've tried to deal with those
as they've come up from a safety
perspective. If you had to ask me right
now, I would say yes. There's there's
going to be more safety issues with
those roads than there would be
>> drainage out there on the careway
» drainage out there on the careway
entrance. Right.
>> So would you recommend we wait on the
» So would you recommend we wait on the
careway drainage a year like we would
with this and instead take that 120 and
put it towards the design. It almost
matches directly for the design of Hlet
Park. If it's a safety concern, if it's
going to continue to deteriorate and
cost the city money, it just
>> Yeah, I think that's one way you could
» Yeah, I think that's one way you could
look at it. It's it's real, you know,
water and sewer are real easy for us to
say you better do this or your manholes
are going to pop up. You're going to do
this or you run out of water. Roads are
a little more kind of at your
discretion. And but yeah, I think the
from what I can see the this these
streets pose more of a safety issue to
the traveling public than the than the
drainage issue at the entrance over
there.
>> I'm going to make a suggestion. Uh
» I'm going to make a suggestion. Uh
>> yes, and [clears throat] that's
» yes, and [clears throat] that's
>> involves Careway and Hasset Park and any
» involves Careway and Hasset Park and any
of these other projects. I'm going to
go ahead and keep your project Careway
there. Marcy is entering this stuff in
her program and at the end of this
discussion, she's going to here's your
bottom line effect. Then you can go
back. Oh, let's cut that one. Let's cut
that one.
>> I understand. But it's also a mix of
» I understand. But it's also a mix of
what can our city employees and staff
handle? Um I mean that you can only
achieve so much in a year. So even if we
have the money for it, you know, do they
have the time for it as well?
>> I mean I'm fine either way. I just was
» I mean I'm fine either way. I just was
saying just I was listening to what they
said about Careway.
>> If if everybody up there thinks that it
» If if everybody up there thinks that it
should be flipped, then I'll go with the
ex with the professionals.
>> Does that not get you
» Does that not get you
>> I I kind of want to side with the mayor
» I I kind of want to side with the mayor
on this one. I mean, put it as a wish
list, kind of sort in the budget, and
then if we find out that we don't have
the money for it, you can just mark one
out if you need to.
>> Okay. Is that what we want to do?
» Okay. Is that what we want to do?
>> Can I ask [clears throat] a dumb
» Can I ask [clears throat] a dumb
question?
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Since we're on Hazard Park,
» Since we're on Hazard Park,
>> is there any way we can put a side
» is there any way we can put a side
entrance to Dollar General from that
whatever that road is that goes next to
it?
>> Yes, I know. People are people are
» Yes, I know. People are people are
driving on the dirt between 156 and the
parking lot to get to Dollar General.
And I think that's a safety concern
because you have people going on the
dirt and on the road all different
directions.
>> Like they're going to shop or they're
» Like they're going to shop or they're
doing a cut through.
>> No, they're going there to shop, but
» No, they're going there to shop, but
they're not even turning on to 156.
They're just turning on the dirt in
front of it.
>> So if you're on Barry and you're you
» So if you're on Barry and you're you
don't want to wait to go to left, take a
left to get on 156 and then take a left
to go to Dollar General. You just take a
left on the dirt road and then
>> it's not a road. [laughter]
» it's not a road. [laughter]
>> It's the text rideway unpaved. It's the
» It's the text rideway unpaved. It's the
grass.
>> It's It's a dirt road that was made and
» It's It's a dirt road that was made and
you just take a lead there and you go
into Dollar General Park.
>> All I'm going to say is on the priority
» All I'm going to say is on the priority
list. It sounds like
>> I understand. But if we're rebuilding
» I understand. But if we're rebuilding
the road, can we make a connection?
That's all I'm asking.
>> Well, you know what? I think you're
» Well, you know what? I think you're
taking away from the culture of Hasslet.
>> Sorry.
» Sorry.
>> This is small town Texas. Come on.
» This is small town Texas. Come on.
>> Except we don't have small town traffic.
» Except we don't have small town traffic.
>> I don't know what the solution is to
» I don't know what the solution is to
eliminate that. We probably can't
construct it with on the city's right of
way to eliminate that that
[clears throat]
uh turn in front of Dollar General and
it would have to probably come from Tex
Dot's permission.
If they can get the permission to
construct something such as a guard rail
up there, then uh and Hassa volunteers
to pay for it, they might go, "Sure,
knock yourself out." But a solution as
to how to stop that lefthand turn has to
be come up with. And it doesn't may not
be straightforward how to do that.
>> Can you uh come up with a solution?
» Can you uh come up with a solution?
>> Shut down your method.
» Shut down your method.
>> Oh, we we
» Oh, we we
>> it might sh shut down economic
» it might sh shut down economic
development, too. [laughter]
>> Yeah, if that's something we need to
» Yeah, if that's something we need to
look into, we could do a little exhibit
and just see if there's any solution. I
mean, it wouldn't be that's something
that's that's no big deal. Now, I say
that it's no big deal to come up with a
concept, implementing it, and getting
it. That's a whole another ball of wax,
but we we can look into that.
>> Then you don't have to worry about it.
» Then you don't have to worry about it.
>> I feel like there was some issue that
» I feel like there was some issue that
with Dollar General that that didn't
happen. I don't know. Yeah, I don't. It
is. It would be convenient, but it's not
>> a need.
So, just so I understand, SD7 is going
on page 277 under the fun 20.
>> Are we Is that where we're putting it?
» S7.
>> That is 100,000 and
» That is 100,000 and
>> transportation tax is now going to
» transportation tax is now going to
200,000 or it's Yes.
>> Let's see.
» Let's see.
Yeah, that's going to
>> park is going from 100,000 to 200,000.
» park is going from 100,000 to 200,000.
>> Correct. And then where are we putting
» Correct. And then where are we putting
the project
>> because they said they want to put it in
» because they said they want to put it in
now and take it out later when
>> So it's already in our general budget
» So it's already in our general budget
where it says House Park reinforced
concrete paving design 120.
>> Oh, it's just different amount because
» Oh, it's just different amount because
they have it listed as 180 here.
>> It's 120. Yeah. Here
» It's 120. Yeah. Here
>> that's it's 120 in the budget and so
» that's it's 120 in the budget and so
>> but it's 180 in in yours
» but it's 180 in in yours
>> in Mike. That's where I was confused.
» in Mike. That's where I was confused.
Sorry. So, am I leaving it in at 120? Am
I taking it out at 120 or am I putting
it in at 180?
>> No, that's a different one.
» No, that's a different one.
>> No. So, that's that's to repair the road
» No. So, that's that's to repair the road
over the next year. The question, you
said you wanted to keep SD7 reinforced
concrete paving. On the line item, it's
listed as 120, but Mike has it as 180.
So, are we keeping it at 120 or 180?
>> Mike, 160. What the difference?
» Mike, 160. What the difference?
>> Might as well go.
» Might as well go.
>> Well, excuse me. I thought we're sliding
» Well, excuse me. I thought we're sliding
that whole project a year. But then you
suggested we kept it in. Keep it in.
>> No, not not that piece. I'm talking
» No, not not that piece. I'm talking
about under fund 20 under repair.
>> We did.
» We did.
>> You said keep it in and then see on
» You said keep it in and then see on
Careway and on this project.
>> You did.
» You did.
>> But
» But
>> well fund 20 is not going to be in the
» well fund 20 is not going to be in the
general fund,
>> right?
» right?
>> No. Understood. But for the project he
» No. Understood. But for the project he
said to keep it all until the end and
then X out stuff we can't afford.
>> The That would be the carway we were
» The That would be the carway we were
talking about. You're talking about
trading carway for what?
>> Hasllet Park reinforced concrete. Oh,
» Hasllet Park reinforced concrete. Oh,
trading those. Well, I then I
misunderstood is I I I'm working on the
premise that you're moving Hasslet Park
reinforced concrete a year out. So,
that's the design.
>> That was the original discussion and
» That was the original discussion and
then it's gone about about five
different directions. One one comment
was that it might be more of a priority
than Careway. So, we were going to not
take it out and maybe take out Careway.
But he but Careway is in fund 20. So,
why would we take that out?
>> Is kind of your point. Yeah, that's my
» Is kind of your point. Yeah, that's my
point.
>> Right. And so we'll just leave Hassel
» Right. And so we'll just leave Hassel
Park reinforce reinforced concrete
paving design in is what I hear Chris
and Jasmine saying. Even though
>> I moved it to 200.
» I moved it to 200.
>> No, that's that's something different.
» No, that's that's something different.
That's 120. We're talking we're talking
about the general fund now. Go back to
this yellow.
>> Not okay. Oh, you're saying taking it
» Not okay. Oh, you're saying taking it
from 120 to 180? Yes.
>> Which is what it's what's what is
» Which is what it's what's what is
originally in there.
>> Yes,
» Yes,
>> Mike. Yes. 180 is what it needs to be.
» Mike. Yes. 180 is what it needs to be.
>> Yes. So the general fund
» Yes. So the general fund
>> whether you want to slide it a year or
» whether you want to slide it a year or
do it
>> I want to slide it a year but and and
» I want to slide it a year but and and
Zach's on board with that too but then
the two people that don't live in house
park want to keep it in here. So
>> honestly I'm neither here nor there that
» honestly I'm neither here nor there that
it just sounded like they had some
serious concerns.
>> Yeah. And if it is that that volatile if
» Yeah. And if it is that that volatile if
it's not if it's that unpredictable then
maybe we do leave it in and get get it
on the books to get fixed.
>> Yeah. And Tanya if you if you want it
» Yeah. And Tanya if you if you want it
out I'm fine with that. I was just
>> going to see what taxes do. So we're
» going to see what taxes do. So we're
adding it at 180
» this year
>> for now. This year
» for now. This year
>> this 26 27.
» this 26 27.
>> Yes sir.
» We get a reality check. But it's on
Marc.
everyone's move to project eight. That's
the Hasslac Park drainage improvements.
Um, we had completed this past year the
work here. Uh, and I don't should have
already had this on there, but I don't.
We we completed the Shriber
improvements. You know, drainage is it's
always expensive as you start
downstream. So we picked off a
lowhanging fruit and dealt with some
issues that were creating some nuisance
for some folks along Shrivever. So what
you see in red was completed.
Everybody's real happy with that
project. Um, we've got an estimate in
there of about 2.7 million to construct
uh some sort of drainage improvements
through several backyards in the rideway
and other miscellaneous uh supplemental
improvements from a drainage perspective
out there. Um,
we've got 135 left from the original
design budget, I believe, that we were
proposing to just carry over. And what
we were attempting to do is there's two
grants, um, a flood infrastructure grant
and a brick grant. Um, those are both
federal grants. I believe they're both
at 7525 splits
and those are due in November. And so we
were trying to get these projects um
designed so that they could be
considered shovel ready in anticipation
of submitting um in November for these
two projects. Um we we've got surveying
ready to go on these, but we need how
many ride of entries?
>> 17 14. A lot. There's a lot of property
» 17 14. A lot. There's a lot of property
owners that we're having to contact for
access through their backyards. And so,
uh, we're working to get that done. We
think we'll have that wrapped up the
next couple of weeks. A surveying team
will get going and then we can put
together a
set of preliminary plans and um update
the cost estimate and have that ready to
go for the uh grant submitt. We'll see
how that shakes out.
>> So, this 135 was already approved.
» So, this 135 was already approved.
>> It was. Yes, sir.
» It was. Yes, sir.
So, it's already there.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Well, I'm actually a little confused. I
» Well, I'm actually a little confused. I
thought when it said carry forward, it
includes the amount left, which would be
the 96891, and then you're adding 135.
Is that correct?
>> Yes,
» Yes,
>> that would put it at 231,891.
» that would put it at 231,891.
>> We just need 135.
» We just need 135.
>> So, we need to get rid of some money.
» So, we need to get rid of some money.
>> We still still got five left in the
» We still still got five left in the
current year. So that means we can
change this 135 to
>> I don't know that we have all the
» I don't know that we have all the
expenditures in there
>> at this point.
» at this point.
>> Uh yeah, for now till we get surveying
» Uh yeah, for now till we get surveying
done.
>> Yeah,
» Yeah,
>> that'll be about 30 grand.
» that'll be about 30 grand.
>> Yeah, it Yeah, we need the 135.
» Yeah, it Yeah, we need the 135.
[clears throat]
» Yeah.
>> So we're going to keep an extra 100,000
» So we're going to keep an extra 100,000
in there. Well, it's 96 and change,
>> but the 96 may go down is what I'm
» but the 96 may go down is what I'm
saying. We don't have all the costs for
that project in.
>> Okay. For the one that's finishing out
» Okay. For the one that's finishing out
this year.
>> Yeah, that was
» Yeah, that was
>> Yeah, we think we think 135 would be
» Yeah, we think we think 135 would be
plenty to get it through the design, get
it uh anything permitted, do all the
modeling
and get everything set up for the
grants.
I do think the uh construction that you
have on the 2.5 needs to move up a year.
>> Which one?
» Which one?
>> Say that again.
» Say that again.
>> The construction of $2.5 million
» The construction of $2.5 million
under 2829 fiscal year needs to move up
to 2728.
» Oh, you think the roads and the drainage
should be done at the same time?
>> Yes,
» Yes,
>> I would agree.
So we could show that change. We can
move the 25 into fiscal year 2728
and then depending on what you decide at
the bottom line about the roads that
those may line up or those may be
offset.
>> Well, I thought they as that decision's
» Well, I thought they as that decision's
made, Mike.
>> No, sir. Uh, I think they were waiting
» No, sir. Uh, I think they were waiting
till the bottom line came out on the
sliding of the
>> Oh,
» Oh,
>> yes sir. of the road design.
» yes sir. of the road design.
>> It's still in for now.
» It's still in for now.
>> Correct. Yes, sir. But on my
» Correct. Yes, sir. But on my
spreadsheet, I got a lot of lines on
here. So,
>> okay.
» okay.
170
>> 170. Um, we've got 25,000 to just
» 170. Um, we've got 25,000 to just
continue coordinating and keeping
everybody up to date. And we we've got
some preliminary work here that I'll
share with you. This is we know of one
known uh utility conflict that we're
going to have to deal with on this
project. And we we know that this can be
a a reimbursement. And I've already
explained to Text Dot that, you know, we
we need to get moving on the agreement
for reimbursement. You can see this
water line that was put in with Hasslip
Parkway up inter modal is going to end
up underneath the
the landing of the 170. And so as of
right now, we think that's our only
utility conflict. We do have a sewer
line up through here, but I don't think
they're going to be they're done with
their bridge. So just general project
coordination and
>> it's right here.
» it's right here.
>> They're all right here.
» They're all right here.
Sorry.
>> Uh there's there's rightway that needs
» Uh there's there's rightway that needs
to be conveyed for this project and
right now the the roadway has been
pushed to the north side of Hasset
Parkway where where the city currently
has all of the uh temporary or permanent
drainage and grading easements that were
acquired as part of Hasset Parkway. So
there's some work there that needs to be
done to assist in the transfer and
conveyance of those easements as right
away to text dot pending council
approval.
>> So that's just a a placeholder to kind
» So that's just a a placeholder to kind
of keep
>> to determine how to assign a value to
» to determine how to assign a value to
that.
>> Yes, sir.
» Yes, sir.
Fort Worth. That's what they've done
with theirs. And when they're assigning
their rightway to Tax Dot, I think
they're paying upwards something like
$65 a square foot.
So, we got to uh work we can get some
people who have done it and assign
values to that.
>> So, all of these fees in here you see
» So, all of these fees in here you see
for our city engineer on this project,
they will all be reimbursed.
This is a 100% text dot project and any
participation on anybody's part, our
city engineer or anyone else that is
part of that uh cost in that project.
» So 170 is just kind of moving along.
>> Um
» Um
Hasslet Parkway, same thing. We've got
money in there to I think the the bigger
one on this the the unknown at this
point and I'm I'll have some more
information. I've got an update that I'm
trying to get ready for the 17th. Um
there is the expectation and the
understanding that any temporary
construction easements or grading
easements that are necessary to support
this project would be the city's
responsibility to get. Now, I don't know
if that's get on your dollar, if that's
get and be reimbursed. Those are some
details that we need to sort through,
but [clears throat] a lot of the
easements that were acquired under the
original High Parkway project have
either expired or are expiring.
And um obviously if they needed those to
construct the original project, there's
u a good stretch of that great
improvements still necessary. So, um,
we'll have some additional information,
uh, for you at the meeting on the 17th
for this project.
» We're also trying to
>> So, what's happening on the 17th?
» So, what's happening on the 17th?
>> I'll have an update for the for everyone
» I'll have an update for the for everyone
on on Hassla Parkway
>> concerning required easements.
» concerning required easements.
>> Uh, potentially. Yes, sir. Contract
» Uh, potentially. Yes, sir. Contract
status, schedule, discussions with text
dot, agreement status, easements.
>> All right. Yes, sir.
» All right. Yes, sir.
>> Okay. Well, we have a very comprehensive
» Okay. Well, we have a very comprehensive
list of easements
and every one of them that were
executed. Most of them are just going to
them and ask them to renew it.
» Unless you got new defined easements.
>> No, sir.
» No, sir.
>> All right.
Okay. Um my next one, I think we're on
SD11. That's Careway Street and
drainage. We've talked about that. I
believe that's that intersection silver
sage and wild sienna. That's 125,000 for
survey design
potentially this next year. Correct.
Fund 20.
>> Um this is Yes.
» Um this is Yes.
>> 120,000. I had a question. It's on fund
» 120,000. I had a question. It's on fund
20 and it's on here SD11. Is there do
you see what I'm saying?
>> No, I just messed up.
» No, I just messed up.
>> Okay. So, is SD11 going to go away?
» Okay. So, is SD11 going to go away?
>> Yeah, we're going to take that one away.
» Yeah, we're going to take that one away.
We'll just leave that under fund 20 if
everybody's okay with that. Yeah. Okay.
Thank you.
>> Okay. Time out. I'm not I just heard two
» Okay. Time out. I'm not I just heard two
different things. We're going to take it
away, but we're going to leave it under
fund 20.
>> Well, remove to
» Well, remove to
>> I think remove it from my spreadsheet as
» I think remove it from my spreadsheet as
a standalone SD11 project
>> because we've already got it cast.
» because we've already got it cast.
>> It's included with the Careway entrance.
» It's included with the Careway entrance.
Yeah.
>> And on the
» And on the
>> fun 20.
» fun 20.
>> Fund 20. Yes, sir. Got it. Okay.
Aenddale Hasslet grade separated
crossing. That's the the bridge
project. Short bridge, long bridge,
whatever bridge there is.
Um,
Brentwood,
let me ask you something.
The Hasslet
grade separated. Happenel Hasslet grade
separated
crossing
and also Hasset Parkway improvement.
The Hasslet Parkway improvement includes
the grade separation.
>> Correct.
» Correct.
And so you got a
Aendelle Hasslet grade separation
specific
and it's already included under Hasslet
Parkway improvement. How does that work?
What's happening with that?
>> Well, the the
» Well, the the
short bridge is currently contemplated
and that is what
>> that's in the has a parkway improvement
» that's in the has a parkway improvement
project as a whole.
>> Yes, sir. And then the long bridge was
» Yes, sir. And then the long bridge was
kind of a standalone project. So we just
had that developed and we were just
carrying it over.
>> So this is long bridge.
» So this is long bridge.
>> I guess it would be better to just call
» I guess it would be better to just call
that out as the long bridge
>> so we know which cuz this is just
» so we know which cuz this is just
>> Yes, sir. Understand.
» Yes, sir. Understand.
>> Appear to me we're paying for it twice
» Appear to me we're paying for it twice
here.
All right. I'm going to put long bridge.
We are
>> Can can we actually leave it neutral and
» Can can we actually leave it neutral and
just maybe make a note underneath the
description just in case we're needing
say the long bridge we don't get the
grant and we're needing the funds for
something for the short bridge. Could we
just keep the language neutral?
>> Is there something saying wrong with
» Is there something saying wrong with
saying long bridge?
>> It means that we can't use it for
» It means that we can't use it for
>> Yeah, it ties it to that only. And I
» Yeah, it ties it to that only. And I
thought also on the house park way
improvements it could deal with
easements as well, not just grade
separation. So
>> say that again.
» say that again.
>> But also the Hasslet Parkway
» But also the Hasslet Parkway
improvements SD10 does also encompass
more than just the grade separation. So
>> I kind of like how they're both
» I kind of like how they're both
>> that whole project covers from I35
» that whole project covers from I35
to our western city
>> right through stage 16 a the base bridge
» right through stage 16 a the base bridge
being the short bridge included.
>> I'm just suggesting we leave the
» I'm just suggesting we leave the
language as is.
>> I agree.
» I agree.
suggesting one.
>> Can I
» Can I
>> leave the language as is?
» leave the language as is?
>> Don't add long bridge.
» Don't add long bridge.
>> Add long bridge.
» Add long bridge.
>> While we're talking about has a parkway,
» While we're talking about has a parkway,
can I ask a dumb question, Mr. Mayor?
>> Sure.
» Sure.
>> Um whether it's the short bridge or the
» Um whether it's the short bridge or the
long bridge, do we need to be currently
getting rideway to prepare for either
possibility?
>> We don't know what rideway we need and
» We don't know what rideway we need and
that's what they're working towards
right now.
>> Okay. an extra problem.
» Okay. an extra problem.
>> Well, I'm trying to piece it out a
» Well, I'm trying to piece it out a
little more so it's not one such big
chunks.
>> I mean either either way
» I mean either either way
>> almost all of the right away
» almost all of the right away
>> is acquired that's needed. They're not
» is acquired that's needed. They're not
rerouting anything
>> already.
» already.
>> Yes, that was that was before you know
» Yes, that was that was before you know
when the project started.
>> Yeah, that chambers our former economic
» Yeah, that chambers our former economic
development coordinator got all those
parcels. Okay, that's
>> there may be some the easement work,
» there may be some the easement work,
construction easements, that's got to
all be renewed,
>> but the rightway itself, it should be
» but the rightway itself, it should be
sufficient.
>> Okay, that's what I'm asking. Thank you.
» Okay, that's what I'm asking. Thank you.
>> Follow-up question to what Chris just
» Follow-up question to what Chris just
asked. Is there any utility movement we
could be getting ahead of so we're not
running into issues like they did with
station 69?
>> Uh, potentially. you know, we've we
» Uh, potentially. you know, we've we
asked for a a forensic uh
summary of the project expenses for the
original project as it relates to the
funds that the city contributed for
utility construction. We know that our
utilities weren't quite finished and so
we're we still waiting for that to come
back. Um we're going to know a lot more
over the next two months. They're Kimley
Horn should be under contract any if
they're not under contract they they
will be under contract by the time we
come to the meeting on the 17th
>> and at that at that point we'll we can
» and at that at that point we'll we can
begin working with them to figure out
>> under contract.
» under contract.
>> Okay. So they're under contract now. Do
» Okay. So they're under contract now. Do
you think there's anything we need a
budget to help us get through the next
year? Even if it's being reimbursed
through
>> I think what's in this budget is
» I think what's in this budget is
adequate for this year given that
they're they're late start on the
project. Now, that may need to change as
we get through this year. We may need to
up that, but our goal is to try to get
them to um pay for everything and it's
not even a reimbursement.
>> Okay. You want them to direct your the
» Okay. You want them to direct your the
goal is to have them directly.
>> I think that might that would make the
» I think that might that would make the
most sense and then the city's not
having to fund it and get reimbured
tracking it.
>> Got it.
» Got it.
>> But we'll we'll get into that as we move
» But we'll we'll get into that as we move
forward over the next few months.
Uh 13. You want to do 13? Uh Brentwood.
It's budgeted.
» Okay. So, that's we've got all the uh
surveying back on that. Um
it's a pretty straightforward project.
Just adjusting the grades. You can kind
of see in this exhibit that's up on the
screen how you've got certain portions
of that roadway that get real close to
the rideway line. And we've got some
drainage issues that need to be
corrected. We got bunch of driveways
that need to be replaced. So, um, trying
to keep that project moving forward.
We've got some carryover funds, I guess,
to keep that one moving. We estimate
that to be about a $2 million project.
Showing construction next year,
whatever, whatever you guys want to do
on that one.
[cough and clears throat]
Okay. So SD13, everybody good with that?
>> Okay. The Tarant County road ILA
» Okay. The Tarant County road ILA
projects, that would be um
well, those are those are way out.
Um nothing we need to worry about right
now. Did we cover we covered the um
earlier in the discussion the uh Bane
Road and Maxwell as part of this and
then
>> and then the schoolhouse Westport
» and then the schoolhouse Westport
intersection.
» Okay.
So let's see.
>> Let me ask you where is uh Westport
» Let me ask you where is uh Westport
Parkway and 156 under this ILA list?
Well, it is.
It's not in here.
>> It needs to go in.
» It needs to go in.
>> It does need to go in.
» That's
>> Westport Parkway and FM 156.
» Westport Parkway and FM 156.
>> It's not on this list right here.
» It's not on this list right here.
>> We We had it. It's It was in this year's
» We We had it. It's It was in this year's
budget. It just the budget amount
changed. So,
>> yeah. I just need to find it.
» yeah. I just need to find it.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Where's it at?
» Where's it at?
No, I don't even It's not even on my
sheet.
>> It's not on this sheet.
» It's not on this sheet.
>> No, sir.
» No, sir.
>> And this sheet needs to correlate.
» And this sheet needs to correlate.
>> Yes, sir. I agree.
» This one.
>> This one.
» Is that going to be SD16?
I'm going to put it under 14.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> You're going to put it under 14?
» You're going to put it under 14?
>> I think so.
» I think so.
>> Okay. SD14. And so you need 600,000.
» Okay. SD14. And so you need 600,000.
>> We had 450.
» We had 450.
>> Is this the drawing?
» Is this the drawing?
>> Four. Yes, ma'am.
» Four. Yes, ma'am.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
So the the original when this when we
budgeted for this project or u conceived
the estimate and the concept plan last
year in summer of 2025
the thought was we'll just mill it and
we'll restripe it. Um, we also we had a
project earlier this year where we went
in and replaced those uh those
transitions at the bridges
and in discussing with everybody
including the county folks, it was all
agreed that this needed to be completely
rebuilt. So to rebuild it, to fix it,
right, we need 600,000,
which is an increase from the 450 or 400
that's currently in the budget.
>> Mike, this kind of looks similar to what
» Mike, this kind of looks similar to what
we have now. Can you describe the
changes? Like
>> I think the only real the only real
» I think the only real the only real
difference is um basically setting up
three lanes here, one straight, one
dedicated right, one dedicated left
um to facilitate that westbound
traffic movement.
>> It does. Now, that'd be very convenient
» It does. Now, that'd be very convenient
for people that are going right to
school.
>> It would be,
» It would be,
>> but also the eastbound is keeping those
» but also the eastbound is keeping those
two lanes instead of merging right there
at schoolhouse road into one.
>> Yes, sir.
» Yes, sir.
>> And at some point, just one second. at
» And at some point, just one second. at
some point when and if there's some
interim improvements that may need to be
looked at on 156 there may be you may
have the ability to um send more
movements down towards Aenddale Hasslet
and so that would set us up for that
possibility that middle lane that's
currently straight only could be
straight left once you have the capacity
on 156 as some because I think if you if
you look at it and all this is we've got
that signal
study and traffic study that Lee
Engineering is doing. They're about to
go back out once school's back in and re
recollect data, but a lot of that
movement appears to be folks trying to
go down and out Aenddale Hasslet Way.
So, this sets us up. Now, we do have
some rideway that we need to acquire
down there. Um, and that's that's in the
process, but this construction is
programmed for December by the county,
December of this year.
So, they're going to do
>> they're going to do Bane Road, then
» they're going to do Bane Road, then
they'll do Maxwell, and then they'll go
do one or two other jobs somewhere else,
and then remobilize back and come take
care of this in December.
>> Can I ask a dumb question?
» Can I ask a dumb question?
>> Sure.
» Sure.
>> So, I love the threelane thing that's
» So, I love the threelane thing that's
going westbound.
I've seen some other intersections
where the right-hand lane up there that
is going to be a right turn only onto
North 156.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Have a median that that uh separates
» Have a median that that uh separates
that off so that it's its own lane and
gets to bypass that first light
and go straight through to 156. So,
>> so that because they don't care about
» so that because they don't care about
going left or straight.
>> So, then that whole everybody that's
» So, then that whole everybody that's
going to turn north on 156 could just
bypass that first light, go up to 156
and take a ride immediately without
backing up that light for everybody
else.
>> I've seen that. I had that suggestion
» I've seen that. I had that suggestion
from somebody that went to Hawaii.
>> So, is there
» So, is there
>> anyway, but let me let me offer this.
» anyway, but let me let me offer this.
He's still talking.
>> And I got to think, well, that would be
» And I got to think, well, that would be
great.
>> But if you're on schoolhouse road, a lot
» But if you're on schoolhouse road, a lot
of people on school, they come on
Schoolhouse Road,
>> they take a left, then immediately take
» they take a left, then immediately take
a right.
>> You can still do that if you make the
» You can still do that if you make the
middle lane when it gets to 156 where
they can turn a right right there,
you know.
>> Well, your median would have
» Well, your median would have
>> So, you basically have a double right on
» So, you basically have a double right on
156
>> if you wanted to bypass this light. Yes.
» if you wanted to bypass this light. Yes.
For the right hand lane only had to
start back here.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> But these people here could not take
» But these people here could not take
>> turn to the middle lane.
» turn to the middle lane.
>> Take a left.
» Take a left.
>> No, they would turn to the middle lane.
» No, they would turn to the middle lane.
>> Take a right.
» Take a right.
>> Yes. Well, I think
» Yes. Well, I think
>> but they're I'm talking about very
» but they're I'm talking about very
specifically for those individuals in
the blue car left
>> and then go over and take a right.
» and then go over and take a right.
>> No, they would go they would turn to the
» No, they would go they would turn to the
middle lane and then turn right out of
the middle lane. So, you basically have
a double right.
>> Go ahead.
» Go ahead.
>> There's very few cars.
» There's very few cars.
>> You got a double right capability on
» You got a double right capability on
156. Mike.
>> Yeah. I think I think to your point and
» Yeah. I think I think to your point and
I'm pretty sure I looked at this at some
point because we had the same idea. It's
a good idea. You have a you you're going
to have a conflict point. I think
because if it's free if it's free,
right? Then any somewhere in this zone
here, if somebody's if somebody's coming
down through here and this light turns
and they're not having to stop, which
would be the whole point of that, I
think you're going to have a conflict
here with this guy turning and that guy
coming through that free lane because we
don't have dual rights,
>> I think.
» I think.
>> Does that make sense?
» Does that make sense?
>> I love your idea
» I love your idea
>> because it's it's a good idea if we
» because it's it's a good idea if we
didn't have that other leg coming in.
Well, could you just make it where you
can't turn left on schoolhouse road?
>> I do sometimes, like say I drop
» I do sometimes, like say I drop
something off at the post office before
I go to school and then I'm I'm going to
want to go left. I have gone left and
then got on 156.
>> But once we have a parkway go come
» But once we have a parkway go come
through.
>> How how does that make
» How how does that make
>> if it's at grade right there? It would
» if it's at grade right there? It would
give you that opportunity to go turn to
get to 156 there instead of going there.
You know,
>> even if it's not at grade, you would
» even if it's not at grade, you would
still be able to get through.
Maybe
>> they can't go left.
» they can't go left.
>> So, question.
» So, question.
>> I'm just trying to figure like
» I'm just trying to figure like
>> Yeah, sorry. Go ahead.
» Yeah, sorry. Go ahead.
>> I'm just brainstorming. Go ahead.
» I'm just brainstorming. Go ahead.
>> This is one of the problems I
» This is one of the problems I
>> I almost got t-boned right there the
» I almost got t-boned right there the
other day.
>> Frequently, especially this one being a
» Frequently, especially this one being a
straight turn and then everyone tries to
like merge together. Why are we keeping
this a straight lane if we have a
dedicated straight lane and we
bottleneck right here? You know what I'm
asking?
It's
>> so make that red only.
» so make that red only.
>> I think because they double stack when
» I think because they double stack when
that light's red.
>> Yeah. And then they try to
» Yeah. And then they try to
>> just to me it kind of just
» just to me it kind of just
>> just zippers in.
» just zippers in.
>> It's it's it's it's a pro. It's
» It's it's it's it's a pro. It's
problematic with the two lights being
that closed.
>> Will that area never be a four-lane road
» Will that area never be a four-lane road
until the bridge gets widened and so it
can match what's on the east side of the
bridge? Well, if we widened 156
talking about Westport,
>> I'm saying right there, you know, you're
» I'm saying right there, you know, you're
right here, your two lanes and your one
lane here. Will this ever be will this
never be a four lane road until the
bridge gets widened and then it'll cuz
on the side of the bridge
>> it's four lanes with a median, you know?
» it's four lanes with a median, you know?
So, that'd be nice if that would all
kind of
>> come all the way to 156 like that. Yeah,
» come all the way to 156 like that. Yeah,
it's the your limiting your limitation
is the bridge.
>> Okay, how about this?
» Okay, how about this?
>> Get that three lanes there.
» Get that three lanes there.
>> You make it where the right hand lane
» You make it where the right hand lane
can bypass the first light.
It has like a green arrow
except for when the schoolhouse road
left happens and then it just goes red
for a second and let Schoolhouse Road
turn left and then they can move into
the right lane and not have not have
traffic coming. And then except for the
one moment that that's going left, you
leave that green arrow straight on the
right hand lane and then you don't have
the conflict.
>> So you have the red light with the green
» So you have the red light with the green
arrow which indicates you don't have to
stop,
>> right?
» right?
>> And you have the green arrow disappear
» And you have the green arrow disappear
>> when Schoolhouse Road is turning left.
» when Schoolhouse Road is turning left.
>> I mean, yeah, that would probably
» I mean, yeah, that would probably
require some signal head modifications
and stuff, but we could we could look
into that.
>> But then the right hand lane can go
» But then the right hand lane can go
constantly except for when schoolhouse
turns. Chris,
>> I know there's a lot of ideas floating
» I know there's a lot of ideas floating
around here, but I need to bring us
back. This meeting is about budget, not
road design. Thank you.
>> I I
» I I
>> So, let's let's come back to the budget.
» So, let's let's come back to the budget.
>> Mayor, really quick, just a reminder
» Mayor, really quick, just a reminder
that we have like 13 minutes left with
Mr. Anderson. So, anything we need?
>> Yeah. And I can I can stay a few minutes
» Yeah. And I can I can stay a few minutes
longer if needed, but I think we're
getting pretty close here.
>> You got to focus.
» You got to focus.
>> Good. So, we can understood all the
» Good. So, we can understood all the
points here. If we can just get this
going and constructed, then we can talk
about and look into those other options.
I I understand.
>> It's in the budget,
» It's in the budget,
>> right?
» right?
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Do we need to add more money for what
» Do we need to add more money for what
Chris might be talking about putting a
median, put a concrete curve, do we need
to add more money for that or is that uh
we good?
>> I think let's just let's get it built
» I think let's just let's get it built
and then by the time that all gets
built, it'll we'll be already into the
next budget.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Cuz the county guys can't do that work
» Cuz the county guys can't do that work
anyway. And that's who we've got right
now doing all this right here. Yes, sir.
>> Okay. Bluebound Road. We put a little
» Okay. Bluebound Road. We put a little
bit of money in there just in the off
chance that that bridge
>> gets funed.
» gets funed.
>> I do not have that in.
» I do not have that in.
>> Yeah. So, I've I've added it the 10,000.
» Yeah. So, I've I've added it the 10,000.
>> Yes, ma'am. Just I don't I don't I
» Yes, ma'am. Just I don't I don't I
haven't heard anything about that
project at all. The the
>> I haven't I called uh county not that
» I haven't I called uh county not that
long ago and they haven't gotten any
word. Uh, they probably won't know
anything
probably until November, December time
frame,
>> election time.
» election time.
>> Yes. $10,000.
And that would be one of those that we
would expect to be a reimbursement too
if the project becomes real.
Okay, roads. Everybody's good
till you see the bottom line. But I'll
be gone. So,
>> okay.
» okay.
your first
>> do we want to talk about that right now
» do we want to talk about that right now
before we go into facilities or just go
into facilities?
>> Excuse me. What's that?
» Excuse me. What's that?
>> She was asking me if if I would give my
» She was asking me if if I would give my
recommendation on the roadway
improvements as far as a priority list
before I leave and I asked if that
needed to happen now or if we want to
get
>> what we just covered.
» what we just covered.
>> Yes, sir.
» Yes, sir.
>> Just your top three.
» Just your top three.
>> Top three.
» Top three.
>> Okay. So, your uh one through 15 isn't a
» Okay. So, your uh one through 15 isn't a
priority.
I'm asking first let me ask that that's
you know 1 through 15 numerical rating
is that that's not priority
>> I mean that's
» I mean that's
not exactly
>> okay well go ahead and please give your
» okay well go ahead and please give your
priority
>> so let me make sure
» so let me make sure
>> I I would like to involve James Tucker
» I I would like to involve James Tucker
in that conversation too his is purely
from engineering
>> James Tucker has a viewpoint as well
» James Tucker has a viewpoint as well
>> James is going to be here he's just
» James is going to be here he's just
receing.
>> Is this the top three you'd cut first or
» Is this the top three you'd cut first or
the highest part?
>> Top three cut if you had to
» Top three cut if you had to
>> the the uh
» the the uh
um
>> or amounts if you'd rather do that.
» or amounts if you'd rather do that.
>> Oh my gosh.
» Okay.
>> I think the I think sliding the Hassel
» I think the I think sliding the Hassel
Park Street design makes sense.
>> I think the interotal phase two sliding
» I think the interotal phase two sliding
that out makes sense.
Um,
>> there's no phase two. Are you saying the
» there's no phase two. Are you saying the
phase one interotal?
>> Well, there was some discussion I
» Well, there was some discussion I
thought about potentially moving into
design on phase two and I don't
>> No, we didn't. We did not budget any for
» No, we didn't. We did not budget any for
it. It's just the 1.1 you have. So,
would you take some out of the 1.1?
>> No, because that's going to be necessary
» No, because that's going to be necessary
to build phase one if we get the
rideway.
>> Pick again.
» Pick again.
>> Uh,
» Uh,
the uh Careway improvements. I I
>> That's not on here.
» That's not on here.
>> I would slide those.
» I would slide those.
>> That's not on here. It's on.
» That's not on here. It's on.
>> That' be a fun 2020.
» That' be a fun 2020.
>> Pick again. [laughter]
» Pick again. [laughter]
>> Pick again.
» Pick again.
>> Um,
» Um,
>> pick again.
» I think the I think
>> I think that's our answer.
» I think that's our answer.
>> I think the top five are pretty
» I think the top five are pretty
important.
>> Okay. So really you think everything
» Okay. So really you think everything
except for SD8 really needs to stay.
Understood.
» Okay.
>> So that I get that right. You the top
» So that I get that right. You the top
five that you have now you said are the
top five.
>> Yes sir.
» Yes sir.
>> And for this for that 26 27 budget year.
» And for this for that 26 27 budget year.
>> Yes sir.
» Yes sir.
>> All right.
» All right.
Okay. Uh, facilities. Facilities is just
catchall. This is not intended to be an
all-inclusive. These are just things
that we've picked up um as being
potential projects or desired
[clears throat] projects over the years.
So, start with that. Um,
community park, that was the uh
underground service. So that's the
service service line or the service
upgrade and then the uh circuitry
I guess for Christmas and
uh food trucks and all the things right
around the
um
around the pavilion area. I guess it
would be
» uh
well we had there was 210 but that was
thrown out I guess for next year. I I
mean it's a lot of these things it's
it's what's your pleasure as far as when
do you guys want to get these
accomplished
that was kind of those that was one of
those
>> is it in your budget already?
» is it in your budget already?
>> Sorry.
» Sorry.
>> So I don't think so. The uh the lighting
» So I don't think so. The uh the lighting
stuff for the park was in a threephase
approach to it was an upgrade to the
service that was a uh in around the
inner circle for power and then trail
lighting. That was all three versions of
it and I don't see it in here. Yeah. On
the on Mr. Anderson's, it's not till
next year that he's got 210 in there.
>> It's It's in fun 15.
» It's It's in fun 15.
>> It's in fun.
» It's in fun.
Yeah. For 210,000.
>> Yeah. 210. UG electric lighting and
» Yeah. 210. UG electric lighting and
receptacles. Yeah.
>> Page 268.
» Page 268.
>> But the 125 for community park fencing,
» But the 125 for community park fencing,
I don't believe, is anywhere. So,
>> Mr. Anderson, you can move that 210 up
» Mr. Anderson, you can move that 210 up
to this year there on your sheet.
Well, maybe.
>> No, it's not part of the general fund.
» No, it's not part of the general fund.
It's part of the fund 15.
>> Oh, is it? Okay. So, we move that
» Oh, is it? Okay. So, we move that
forward.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> And that's on 268.
» 265.
>> Yeah, it's on both.
» Yeah, it's on both.
>> 265. So, can
» 265. So, can
>> can you also put that note right there
» can you also put that note right there
for F1?
>> I think it's
F1B.
Oh yeah, F1A.
And then where is F1B located? You guys
were just talking about that one, too.
>> You said it's not
» You said it's not
>> She said it's not in there.
» She said it's not in there.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Could we add it to fun 15?
» Could we add it to fun 15?
>> How critical is the fencing, though?
» How critical is the fencing, though?
>> Is that the This is This is a question I
» Is that the This is This is a question I
asked the other day. It's not It's not
new fencing. It's all the replacement
fencing.
>> So, the fencing project here is the I
» So, the fencing project here is the I
guess the kind of the north property
line there. And as far as we haven't had
it ever, I just I think it's important
that we kind of define the edge of the
park there.
>> Away from the church.
» Away from the church.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Church property.
» Yeah. Church property.
>> People are kind of trespassing on other
» People are kind of trespassing on other
property quite often and we like to kind
of define that so they understand, you
know, where the park property begins and
ends and keeps them off of church
property.
>> Have you talked to the church?
» Have you talked to the church?
>> Not directly about and they have never
» Not directly about and they have never
complained either. This is just I see
too often.
>> Yeah, a few times. curious if they would
» Yeah, a few times. curious if they would
be they would really like this as well
or if they would be like no we like that
it's open and I don't know
>> I have not reached out to the church for
» I have not reached out to the church for
it like I said we haven't had a lot of
interaction there positive or negative I
just often see people utilizing the park
and crossing over their property I just
>> think it made sense
» think it made sense
>> destroyed what you're talking I have
» destroyed what you're talking I have
never seen anybody coming
from our park driving to the church I've
never seen it
>> so it's more Are there anybody from the
» so it's more Are there anybody from the
church driving into our park?
>> Spec specifically during events. People
» Spec specifically during events. People
drive straight through the parking lot
of the church and into the park in that
area. They park all along where that
cross is and they assume it's open
property. They also I mean they just
park in that as an open field. And so
that is what we're trying to keep from.
Also, it appears that we own more than
we do there just because the way that
line is that you would assume it's a
straighter line and uh even city
activities, we accidentally blur that
line occasionally because we forget how
close that really is. So that
>> so that only occurs at these
» so that only occurs at these
large events that we hold
>> or Sunday night volleyball Sunday
» or Sunday night volleyball Sunday
volleyball occurs all the time. That's
>> I didn't realize we had that much
» I didn't realize we had that much
property. That's awesome. But that's
ours
>> on national night out like the 4th of
» on national night out like the 4th of
July or like a big event
>> around right there where that is.
» around right there where that is.
There'll be people parked all up north
of that new fence all up in there and
there's people parked on both sides of
the road and up in there. So that's
reason why we're uh you know wanted to
put that there.
>> Park cars for the for volleyball. They
» Park cars for the for volleyball. They
use the headlights for it. So they
access the park using this as an as
entrance. We had this blocked off. It
would keep people from driving into
places they weren't supposed to.
>> So you would take fence across the
» So you would take fence across the
property and up to the street
>> and you would stop at the street.
» and you would stop at the street.
>> Correct.
» Correct.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> What's that going to stop? That's not
» What's that going to stop? That's not
going to stop any of that.
>> I would think it would.
» I would think it would.
>> How does it stop?
» How does it stop?
>> They can't drive through the fence.
» They can't drive through the fence.
>> They can't drive through the fence, but
» They can't drive through the fence, but
they can still drive up into that part.
I mean, to the church property and point
their lights at the sand body. Well, I
think I think they can also park pull up
into on this city [clears throat] side
of the fence and park in that little
triangle area and point their headlights
on the sand volleyball.
>> Well, there's a drain.
» Well, there's a drain.
>> So, my question is a big
» So, my question is a big
>> I don't see that the design doesn't stop
» I don't see that the design doesn't stop
that.
>> There's a big drain.
» There's a big drain.
>> It forces someone to intentionally make
» It forces someone to intentionally make
the decision to leave the the park
property and go onto the church
property. Right now, there could be
confusion. A fence really clears up that
confusion. Don't cross this line.
>> James,
» James,
>> what? So, currently, right now, there's
» what? So, currently, right now, there's
no lights on the volleyball court.
>> There are two lights that are solar ped.
» There are two lights that are solar ped.
Most of those lights are beyond their
lifespan of starting to fail. And the
original cost to those is the same cost,
like there's not a maintenance of it.
You either reby it all again at roughly
$1,000 a light. So, we haven't done any
maintenance. The long-term plan, which
is the lighting and the plugs and the
power, is to address that. Uh, but yes,
there is two solar power lights. I'm not
sure if they're currently working, but
chances are if they are, they're not
long lived. So,
>> would it be better to would it be better
» would it be better to would it be better
to get some decent lights there now and
to not put the fence or do we'd rather
put the fence and not do the lights?
>> I mean, I think the fence is a is is
» I mean, I think the fence is a is is
good to have regardless of the light
need. I think people would also like to
have lights for the volleyball.
>> Yes. Uh, I just think having a way to to
» Yes. Uh, I just think having a way to to
define our property so that there is
nobody in unintentionally I you can't
stop if people intentionally trespass,
but we just feel like it it makes sense
to to defi define that the same way we
did on 156.
>> And I I think a conversation with the
» And I I think a conversation with the
with the church might be a first step. I
know sometimes in the past they've had
people park there for events and charged
or did volunteer and then I don't know
just to see what they had to say. But I
like the fence 156. I think it does
designate that area. It looks really
nice.
>> And we were having lots of people that
» And we were having lots of people that
would drive in there and park on the
weekends and you can't really control
access and what they're doing. So that's
that was our entire intention here. And
specifically, this is never where the
average person thinks our property line
is. So I think they unintentionally
parked there. The across the street that
parking lot that's there where the
Sweeny's property is, people park there
assuming it is part of the park. Yes.
Yes.
>> You know, and we're not we can't really
» You know, and we're not we can't really
police everything. I just know people
just think a lot of this area is city
park and we wanted to define that.
>> In the meantime, can we just call 811,
» In the meantime, can we just call 811,
slam some stakes in the ground, and put
up some like caution tape at least for
the larger events?
>> We a lot of times we do put up cones and
» We a lot of times we do put up cones and
things like that. Uh we can try to do
something like that.
I know in advance I mean we have checked
with that church if we can let people
park over there. They said fine
>> not an issue with them. No that's the
» not an issue with them. No that's the
parking.
No I can do that.
>> So yeah it is a very important talk to
» So yeah it is a very important talk to
that church. You know they might not
want that.
>> So I like the open.
» So I like the open.
>> So the 125,000 is what is the cost
» So the 125,000 is what is the cost
estimate for that? acquire the property.
>> That's to acquire the property. And
» That's to acquire the property. And
>> so
if you buy the property, if you don't
buy the property, you just bring the
fence down.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> To follow the Okay.
» To follow the Okay.
>> That lower the very lower corner is the
» That lower the very lower corner is the
actual property line now.
>> And we wanted to encompass the drainage
» And we wanted to encompass the drainage
structure.
>> Yeah.
» See how that's kind of weird.
Um, so we have to decide whether we want
to put that in the budget, we want to
leave it out and push back a year, we
want to put it in fund 15, we want to
put in general. What are our options
here? Well, um I'm just going to point
out on page 265
for fund 15, um when we talked about
putting in the 210, I recommended that
we wait to see how our revenues come in
because if you'll see the beginning
balance in that fund is only 72,832.
So, um
we don't have the money projected for
this pro for this project you're
discussing now to come out of fund 15.
So, it would need to come out of the
general fund or
be a wait and see. Um, in fund 15,
>> it could be another one of those
» it could be another one of those
projects. You go ahead and include it
now and at the end of the day determine
we've got to cut it or not.
>> I don't think it's worth putting in the
» I don't think it's worth putting in the
general fund at this moment.
>> I agree.
» I agree.
>> Sorry.
» Sorry.
Don't you agree?
>> She agreed. The the the men haven't.
» She agreed. The the the men haven't.
that this maybe needs to be one like
next year.
>> It's something to keep it on.
» It's something to keep it on.
>> I Chris, gentlemen, what do y'all think?
» I Chris, gentlemen, what do y'all think?
>> I would not put in the budget this year.
» I would not put in the budget this year.
>> Okay,
» Okay,
>> James, the the money that you have in
» James, the the money that you have in
there for the electrical, does that
include lights for the volleyball court?
>> It did not.
» It did not.
>> Did not. Okay. Thank you.
» Did not. Okay. Thank you.
>> So, that's something that the parks
» So, that's something that the parks
board could be directed to. Yep.
>> Put on the
» Put on the
>> I'm going to try to go through the
» I'm going to try to go through the
correct process. I want you to take this
120, add it to the lighting project,
include lights for the volleyball court.
>> We're not going to do we did last year.
» We're not going to do we did last year.
We're going to give to the parks board
and not do it in the budget workshop and
then tell them we're doing a fall zone.
We're doing a new playground. We're
doing
>> put in another volleyball court.
» put in another volleyball court.
>> But this can be so this a this is a
» But this can be so this a this is a
public works not really the not really
the public this is a public works
lighting plan
>> in the in the in the park in Ha
» in the in the in the park in Ha
Community Park. So the parks board needs
to be included in that. Can we keep
going on facility so he can go?
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Project. Oh, wait. Where's two?
» Project. Oh, wait. Where's two?
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Do you have more for us to go through?
» Do you have more for us to go through?
>> So, you're taking out the 120 for the
» So, you're taking out the 120 for the
fence.
>> We're moving it to
» We're moving it to
>> never in. So, it's just not going in
» never in. So, it's just not going in
>> and Mike is sliding it.
» and Mike is sliding it.
>> Well, it's in his suggestion here. Okay.
» Well, it's in his suggestion here. Okay.
>> Next year.
» Next year.
>> Mike is sliding it. Am I the only one
» Mike is sliding it. Am I the only one
who doesn't see F2?
Is there no F2?
>> There's no F2.
» There's no F2.
>> Okay.
» Victor two, I think.
>> Understood.
» Understood.
>> Okay. Uh F3 would be the fire station
» Okay. Uh F3 would be the fire station
fields, restroom facility, and the
maintenance building.
That's currently budgeted.
A little short, I
>> believe.
» believe.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Yes, it is.
How much how much did y'all put in there
again last week, last Saturday?
>> Um, we didn't talk about this, but it's
» Um, we didn't talk about this, but it's
at 405
>> 825 carryover.
» 825 carryover.
>> I'm looking at the general fund and then
» I'm looking at the general fund and then
the storage building is 80,000 carry
carried forward.
>> Where is that
» Where is that
under carry forward from the from prior
year on general fund? If you look at the
100,000 that's that's highlighted. Go up
a little. Go up a little bit and go down
a little bit. You should see them
>> community. No, that's a fence. Um fire
» community. No, that's a fence. Um fire
station fields restroom. I see that.
Where's the other one though?
>> Oh, there it is. Storage building. I
» Oh, there it is. Storage building. I
have a question. Can we align these two
line items to match Mike's?
It's just really important that these
are easier to digest. So, right now we
have it broken out as two separate
projects, but Mike is working it as one
where the storage field or the storage
um building and the restrooms are going
to be done together.
I mean, is there a way to is that a
simple ask, Marcy?
>> And label it with the
» And label it with the
storage.
» Well, the restroom is not going to be in
the storage. the storage building.
>> Sorry, the storage building is on call
» Sorry, the storage building is on call
on the plan and stuff.
>> I understand who's designing it
» I understand who's designing it
together. Modular restroom facility and
30x40 public works storage facility.
>> But they won't actually be connected.
» But they won't actually be connected.
They'll be two separate.
>> Understood. But he's I'm just saying
» Understood. But he's I'm just saying
he's working on it together.
>> He is doing them together. That's how he
» He is doing them together. That's how he
has them marked.
>> Yeah. Mike, the assumption was that was
» Yeah. Mike, the assumption was that was
going to be bid together as one project.
Correct.
>> I would recommend we bid those at the
» I would recommend we bid those at the
same time.
>> Okay. So, if they're saying just add
» Okay. So, if they're saying just add
them together instead of being separate.
So
» consolidate
>> and did you look if those numbers
» and did you look if those numbers
correlate?
I can look it up
>> if all those numbers match the two. So
» if all those numbers match the two. So
hold on.
>> 501.
» 501.
>> Which number are you talking about?
» Which number are you talking about?
>> It's pretty close. It's 485. It's It's
» It's pretty close. It's 485. It's It's
short by 20,000 from your spreadsheet.
That okay, Mike.
>> Not if you want to take it out. I think
» Not if you want to take it out. I think
I think we're going to need we we
[snorts] had 500 in there.
>> 501500.
» 501500.
>> It's 452,11724
between the two line items.
>> No, it's 485825.
» No, it's 485825.
>> I think it was I think I heard
» I think it was I think I heard
>> 485.
» 485.
>> So it's about
» So it's about
>> Where's 85?
» Where's 85?
>> The 80 is the fire department.
» The 80 is the fire department.
>> Oh, I marked the wrong line. Thank you.
» Oh, I marked the wrong line. Thank you.
I'm sorry.
>> So that'd be 15 about 16,000 short. But
» So that'd be 15 about 16,000 short. But
I don't know if the 15,000 goes to the
storage building or the 15,000 goes to
the restroom.
>> Well, it's gonna go all together.
» Well, it's gonna go all together.
>> The restroom. Okay. So, no, there's two
» The restroom. Okay. So, no, there's two
different line items. So, let's change
the restroom to 420 420,000.
She said there were two there were two
line items. So, she's going to put them
together, but she not you're not
combining them into one line item.
>> That's what she's doing
» That's what she's doing
>> to match my because they're going to go
» to match my because they're going to go
out to bid together.
>> I'm going to put them together. I
» I'm going to put them together. I
already have two separate. I thought you
were saying that you could
>> I could put them together on sheet so
» I could put them together on sheet so
you can see them together,
>> but they're Yeah, different they're
» but they're Yeah, different they're
different budget line items.
>> 29 and 37.
» 29 and 37.
>> So, is everybody good with adding um
» So, is everybody good with adding um
15,000 to the restrooms making it
420,825?
>> I just have a question. How is that
» I just have a question. How is that
going to work when it goes out to bid
together?
We can we can have two separate bid
sections. And
>> I know, but then if we're off on one and
» I know, but then if we're off on one and
short, so we're high on one and short on
the other, we can't just move the funds.
Could we not just make it one?
» You get what I'm saying?
>> You're talking about on the accounting
» You're talking about on the accounting
side?
>> Yeah. On the accounting side, won't it
» Yeah. On the accounting side, won't it
matter if it aligns
» from the from the engineers perspective?
It's easy.
>> Not for you. Yeah. But for when they pay
» Not for you. Yeah. But for when they pay
out if
» Yeah, that's what I'm
just because they're going to put it out
to bid together. I'm asking if
>> No,
» No,
>> but
» but
>> what's that problem? I'm saying so if we
» what's that problem? I'm saying so if we
identify, we have no idea. He doesn't
list out and break out the bathrooms
versus the shed. So say right now we
make this 450,000 for the restrooms and
96 for the shed, but the bid comes back
with costs that are completely
different. If they're separate line
items on accounting, we would have to
modify. Whereas if it's one,
>> that's what I was asking.
county
though we have this
these
[clears throat]
>> so as long as they can
» so as long as they can
>> such as I'll just use this as
» such as I'll just use this as
>> let me ask you originally we did these
» let me ask you originally we did these
as two separate projects
>> are there two separate projects or is
» are there two separate projects or is
this
30 by 40 storage building included in
your project
>> there there were two separate projects
» there there were two separate projects
but proximitywise,
surveywise, service-wise, time-wise, it
made sense to just design them as one.
>> Okay,
» Okay,
>> that's
» that's
>> Well, I think the fallacy is calling
» Well, I think the fallacy is calling
projects.
It's all one project.
>> The two different facilities on so far,
» The two different facilities on so far,
>> it is a restroom facility and a storage
» it is a restroom facility and a storage
building facility.
>> I was trying to simplify that
» I was trying to simplify that
>> but one project.
Sir, we don't have a quorum,
>> Mr. Mayor.
» All right. Uh,
[clears throat]
» that's right.
>> So, that's my that's my question.
» So, that's my that's my question.
>> Fair. You just can't get up and leave.
» Fair. You just can't get up and leave.
Council people cannot just get up and
leave the room.
>> You've also left the room to get coffee.
» You've also left the room to get coffee.
Um, but
>> but the but at least three of us have to
» but the but at least three of us have to
stay long.
>> Okay. Yeah, we're here. We're all We're
» Okay. Yeah, we're here. We're all We're
all back.
>> What time do you got to leave, Mr.
» What time do you got to leave, Mr.
Anderson?
>> Now.
» Now.
>> 10 minutes.
» 10 minutes.
>> What's your cut off time?
» What's your cut off time?
>> Uh, 2:30.
» Uh, 2:30.
>> 2:30.
» 2:30.
>> We got plenty of time, folks. Plenty of
» We got plenty of time, folks. Plenty of
time.
>> Okay, Marc Jasmine, now you can go.
» Okay, Marc Jasmine, now you can go.
>> I'm going to wait till he comes in here.
» I'm going to wait till he comes in here.
>> Okay. Soon as everybody gets.
» Okay. Soon as everybody gets.
>> Okay. Let's Let's finish this one
» Okay. Let's Let's finish this one
conversation here. It sounds like we're
done with your facilities. Is that
right?
>> No.
» No.
>> No. We still have two more.
» No. We still have two more.
>> Four. five and six.
» Four. five and six.
>> And my question was, did we want to add
» And my question was, did we want to add
an additional $20,000 to the restroom so
it matches the spreadsheet?
>> I for sure want to do that.
» I for sure want to do that.
>> Yes. And yes, perfect.
» Yes. And yes, perfect.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Make it 420,825.
» Okay. Total. And then I guess Marcy, you
just look to see if you should combine
or what's best for you.
>> I'll look and see if there's been
» I'll look and see if there's been
expenditure. I can journal entry. I'll
I'll fix it.
>> Let her figure it out.
» Let her figure it out.
>> Okay. Okay. And we'll add a label for F3
» Okay. Okay. And we'll add a label for F3
to that where whatever you end up doing.
>> I love that we're connecting it.
» I love that we're connecting it.
>> Me, too.
» Me, too.
>> Happy loop.
» Happy loop.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> My wife would call that tying it out in
» My wife would call that tying it out in
the accounting world.
>> I like it.
» I like it.
>> It doesn't tie or does one or the other.
» It doesn't tie or does one or the other.
>> Do we even need to talk about F4? Cuz
» Do we even need to talk about F4? Cuz
didn't we delete like
>> didn't we?
» didn't we?
>> There's nothing on Well, it has 350,000
» There's nothing on Well, it has 350,000
last year.
>> Did we? Okay.
» Did we? Okay.
>> Last Saturday we said well that's 27.
» Last Saturday we said well that's 27.
>> Mike, have you finished your facilities
» Mike, have you finished your facilities
presentation?
>> No.
» No.
>> No. I've got got three more
» No. I've got got three more
>> real quick.
» real quick.
>> But we need to wait, right?
» But we need to wait, right?
>> No, you're good.
» No, you're good.
>> You're good. There's three of us.
» You're good. There's three of us.
>> Okay. All right. So, the the project
» Okay. All right. So, the the project
2025, we had access
gate and access to the city 78 acres.
So, what I've got up on the screen here
is uh the an exhibit that shows how the
city's property comes together at the U
Hasslet Parkway at Hassllet Parkway. And
what we did was we looked at trying to
sort out access to this property
irrespective of the use of the property.
There is only one location that will
work from a technical standpoint
to access this property. So you can see
we did quite a bit of work to plan out
the location of this, checking
driveways, sight distance, turn lane
links for the future, all the things,
taking into account existing drives and
existing turn lanes. And we settled upon
a a driveway location
uh generally shown on this exhibit here.
And so we've got a project that is ready
for bids, actually hit the paper last
week to construct a fence, pipe rail
fence and gate along Hasslet Parkway
and build.
So that's generally the the
fence, the pipe rail fence,
and then there's some u barb wire
fencing to tie things in. Um the the
design and the bid package also includes
a median opening. There is no median
opening.
So you see to access it right now you'd
have to come up and whip a UEI that's
just off the sheet, but we we went ahead
and designed a a median opening and
we're bidding that as an alternate
to see if that can come in under budget
and meet the needs of the city. You
think 286,000 is going to cover that?
>> No, I think it's I think 286 would would
» No, I think it's I think 286 would would
cover the driveway and the fence, but I
don't think it's going to cover the
median opening. I think that'll be more
like 350, but we've already got it
designed and we're going to bid it as an
alternate.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> And if
» And if
>> what was the previous estimate that you
» what was the previous estimate that you
gave me?
>> 38 350
» 38 350
>> 350. How'd it get down to 260?
» 350. How'd it get down to 260?
>> He just said he took it. He just said
» He just said he took it. He just said
it. He took out the
>> with with the median opening is 350.
» with with the median opening is 350.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Without the median opening it's 2.
» Without the median opening it's 2.
>> You need a median improvement.
» You need a median improvement.
>> So sorry carry forward.
» So sorry carry forward.
>> What is this budgeted at in our budget?
» What is this budgeted at in our budget?
>> 2864647
» 2864647
>> 286.
» 286.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> How did that happen?
» How did that happen?
>> That's been there. That was
» That's been there. That was
>> How did that happen?
» How did that happen?
>> That was what you proposed.
» That was what you proposed.
>> No.
» No.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> That came in your budget. that was
» That came in your budget. that was
probably um carried forward.
>> It was
» It was
>> um
» um
it was probably originally 350 and now
it's down to
>> 28. We need how much
» 28. We need how much
>> because with the median opening and the
» because with the median opening and the
fence and the driveway
>> 350.
» 350.
>> So the Yeah.
» So the Yeah.
>> Can I ask you how important this access
» Can I ask you how important this access
is? Why we would push this project for
this year when we've got a million other
expenses?
Well, this this this was in this year's
budget.
>> Yeah, but we haven't awarded it yet. I I
» Yeah, but we haven't awarded it yet. I I
realize
>> No, we have and we haven't awarded it.
» No, we have and we haven't awarded it.
We haven't We're bidding it, but um
access to the property.
>> Access to the property. We have 78 acres
» Access to the property. We have 78 acres
and don't have access to the property.
>> We don't have to work.
» We don't have to work.
>> We don't have any use lined up yet.
» We don't have any use lined up yet.
>> But I think it's going to be important
» But I think it's going to be important
that we do this now so when it is
developed, we have this. It's never
going to get
>> to tell you this.
» to tell you this.
>> Okay, I guess I'm done talking
» Okay, I guess I'm done talking
>> is using that access.
» is using that access.
>> Yeah, I think I think they're Are you
» Yeah, I think I think they're Are you
guys accessing?
>> Are you
» Are you
sort of
>> there is there is a a method we we will
» there is there is a a method we we will
>> dirt
» dirt
>> there is dirt road that goes there and
» there is dirt road that goes there and
we uh do utilize that. It would be
helpful to have an appropriate access
off of there. It's just given certain
times of the day it is much easier to
get people and equipment
>> through this direction. It's, you know,
» through this direction. It's, you know,
we don't have to have it, but it is
something we would utilize and
appreciate if it was there.
>> We're small town Texas. We can go
» We're small town Texas. We can go
off-roading.
» That's what Dollar General's for.
>> We can do it at Dollar General. We can
» We can do it at Dollar General. We can
do it on an empty lot, but that's just
me.
>> I say we leave it. I think it's going to
» I say we leave it. I think it's going to
be important that we get access to that
and that it
I know right now it doesn't seem as like
priority number one, but I think it's
important that they they have access to
it. There's another way to enter it and
it'll look good de development wise.
>> Can we leave it now and keep it in mind
» Can we leave it now and keep it in mind
if we need to cut?
>> Yeah, for sure.
» Yeah, for sure.
>> And do we want to move it to the 350?
» And do we want to move it to the 350?
He's saying he needs
>> So the original budget was 350,000 and
» So the original budget was 350,000 and
they've spent 13 350 225
>> doing what?
» doing what?
>> Well, that would be 300,000.
» Well, that would be 300,000.
>> Why that what was what was that spent
» Why that what was what was that spent
on? Do we know?
>> Engineering [snorts] survey survey and
» Engineering [snorts] survey survey and
engineering.
>> I think we did the land swap exhibits
» I think we did the land swap exhibits
with that too. So the 28 the 286 or
whatever's left in there would be enough
to
>> No, he's saying it's not.
» No, he's saying it's not.
>> You need another 350.
» You need another 350.
>> No, not enough.
» No, not enough.
>> We would need a note. There's $63,35255
carried forward or added on the carry
forward. So, can we mark that for now
and come back?
>> Yeah, Mike. Is that sufficient to just
» Yeah, Mike. Is that sufficient to just
restore it to 350?
>> I think so. Yes. That'll at least get
» I think so. Yes. That'll at least get
the driveway built. Yeah.
>> Okay. You got one.
» Okay. You got one.
>> James or David, have y'all ever seen
» James or David, have y'all ever seen
anybody that should not be on the
property entering the property from
Hasset Parkway since Hasslet Parkway has
been built?
>> So up to that.
» So up to that.
>> So recently that's been a common
» So recently that's been a common
occurrence. We've been ensuring that gas
well entrance is locked which we hope is
deterring that. But it's being used by
by more it's gas well employees
obviously for the use of gas wells. We
have seen uh other utility companies
using it to access rightaway and then
now recently we've been seeing the
general public all who would should not.
So having that gate would make that
better uh to control that kind of
access.
>> So high schoolers won't be driving out
» So high schoolers won't be driving out
there doing donuts out on our property
or something, you know.
>> Yeah. Well, mainly they're just looking
» Yeah. Well, mainly they're just looking
for a quick cut through to get back.
>> Or if we built the roads right, they
» Or if we built the roads right, they
wouldn't need it.
» I'm going to keep
hidden.
>> So, so a fence would So, even though
» So, so a fence would So, even though
we'd like to save money right now, but a
fence would be beneficial to help keep
people off.
>> Yeah, it's a beneficial project, like I
» Yeah, it's a beneficial project, like I
said, and I can't speak for what it'd be
in a year or so, but I assume it only
gets more expensive to build it and it
was budgeted and
>> it makes sense to complete.
» it makes sense to complete.
>> Mike, are you going to be bidding that
» Mike, are you going to be bidding that
this fiscal year?
>> There's nothing in here for public works
» There's nothing in here for public works
building.
>> All right. What's next?
library.
» The thought [clears throat] of that is
um
if I could find that.
>> We talked about this last week.
» We talked about this last week.
>> We did and uh I got to mention it
» We did and uh I got to mention it
briefly.
the the current library
is insufficient.
>> We all agree.
» We all agree.
>> It is insufficient.
» It is insufficient.
>> We all agree.
» We all agree.
>> And building a new library, it is
» And building a new library, it is
getting u
frees up that existing library for city
offices and a dedicated council
chambers. Each wing is twice the size at
least of this area.
And in that so the library
>> before taking it
» before taking it
>> before you continue can he just do his
» before you continue can he just do his
last one then he can go and then we can
go back to
>> I didn't know he had anything he
» I didn't know he had anything he
mentioned library.
>> Are you done or is there anything else?
» Are you done or is there anything else?
>> I'd like to go through that last go
» I'd like to go through that last go
ahead go through that last one then we
can let you go.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Then we can
» Okay. The last item that I have up here
is the public works annex.
The public works annex. That was the
uh p public works and the material
storage, the yard, road, utilities. That
was the uh plans that we brought to the
last council meeting along with the
updated cost estimate. That project's
right around 5 5.1 million.
>> You got something to show?
» You got something to show?
>> Uh yeah, I can I'm sorry I didn't have
» Uh yeah, I can I'm sorry I didn't have
anything pulled up.
>> While you're pulling that up, you think
» While you're pulling that up, you think
5.1 million is required for next year?
You think it'll be designed, bid, and
completed?
>> I was going to I was going to briefly
» I was going to I was going to briefly
touch on that.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Thank you for Thank you for bringing
» Thank you for Thank you for bringing
that up.
>> No worries. I think it's 425 now and
» No worries. I think it's 425 now and
then the rest the next
>> 425 now and then the rest the next year.
» 425 now and then the rest the next year.
>> I would think it's it's probably going
» I would think it's it's probably going
to be split between 27 28 28 and 29 is
what I
>> see here
» see here
the four point
I guess he's going to go over.
>> So
» So
disappeared on me. Okay everybody can
see the screen. So right now, this is
the plan that we're moving forward with
into detailed design. We've got these
three buildings. Everything you see in
gray is either part of the yard, part of
the parking lot, or the roadway. One of
the thoughts that we had was taking the
material that's going to be generated
from the Tarant County road work
projects, the three projects set to get
underway next month, using that wrap
material, stockpiling it at a location
generally over here out of our way.
using that to construct a good portion
of the yard and all of the road road
base and parking lot materials which
would result in a significant savings on
the project. We had a million dollars in
here for the road and the and the yard
paving. I think we could save a
significant amount of money. the the
type of construction and the type of
contractor that you would have doing
your buildings, you don't necessarily
want them building roads or doing other
things. So, what what we had talked
about doing was moving forward with the
three buildings. Those are currently
that project's funded at $2.5 million.
Correct. Correct.
>> We have three buildings there. We're
» We have three buildings there. We're
we're we we've got our architect going
to come in and next week, week after
that, we should be able to hone in on
what these buildings are going to cost.
I would recommend we move forward with
the design of the foundation and the
buildings. Try to get those out on the
street in the next six weeks. Get the
buildings out for bid while we sort
through the design for the rest of the
road and the utilities and then you all
determine how you want to pay for that
short shortfall if you will on the
project. To answer your question, we
could get started with the construction
of the buildings
um this next fiscal year and the roadway
and the yard and the fencing could all
come in um as part of next year's budget
or later. But I just recommend we split
it into two separate projects
would be my recommendation on the
implementation of it.
>> So 2.5 now and 2.5
» So 2.5 now and 2.5
later.
>> Yeah. If if we have to get concurrence
» Yeah. If if we have to get concurrence
from the county that they're going to um
we don't have our ILA signed, which we
know it's just a matter of getting it
signed for the Westport Parkway
Schoolhouse intersection. We we need to
get them on board saying that, yeah,
we'll come in and build this road. If we
can do that, then that's that shaves
potentially
6 to $800,000 off that 500 or that $5
million project. But we won't be able to
do that for the next few months. So, we
were thinking if we could just keep some
money in there and then somehow split
the project into two phases,
that would be a logical path forward. I
know that doesn't help solve your
>> So, you're talking building the uh
» So, you're talking building the uh
fenced area, which is almost 4 acres.
>> That's right. Is that correct?
» That's right. Is that correct?
>> Yes, sir. and
» Yes, sir. and
the foundations, the buildings, get as
far as you can on all of that.
Is that correct?
>> Um, that's one way to do it. Or
» Um, that's one way to do it. Or
>> no, no. What are you suggesting to do?
» no, no. What are you suggesting to do?
>> Well, I'm s What I'm suggesting is that
» Well, I'm s What I'm suggesting is that
we move forward with the design and
construction of three standalone
buildings right there as one package.
>> Yeah. The other package would include
» Yeah. The other package would include
the fencing, the road, the yard, and the
utilities to support those three
standalone buildings.
>> And you're suggesting the roads first,
» And you're suggesting the roads first,
>> correct?
» correct?
>> Well, it would all just be one project.
» Well, it would all just be one project.
>> Well, that's what I'm saying. The road
» Well, that's what I'm saying. The road
the because you you keep talking about
breaking it apart into two.
>> I think the the buildings are going to
» I think the the buildings are going to
take longer, I think, than the utilities
and the road. So, if we could get those
going,
continue the design of the buildings,
get those out for bid, let's say
October,
>> and by the time they're really trying to
» and by the time they're really trying to
get anything going on the site, you're
talking probably after the first of the
year,
>> okay,
» okay,
>> we'll have plenty of time at that point
» we'll have plenty of time at that point
to get the county to be on board on
whether or not they would construct the
roadway. At a minimum, we know we're
going to have the materials. we could
finish a separate set of civil plans for
the uh grading, fencing, road, and
utilities and just have that as a
separate package. So that that would be
the the way I would recommend you
implement this as a two-phase project.
And I I we're we're running out of time
to try to figure out before your
budget's adopted exactly what the
dollars are going to be, right? But I'm
what I'm hoping and I think we'll be
able to get to the point that that 5.1
could probably be more like 4.1 or 4.3
if the county is able to construct the
road.
>> Agreed. So, what do you need this year
» Agreed. So, what do you need this year
to try to get the county to do that
road? That's the question. Is the 2.5 or
do you need the full 4? What do you need
this year?
I think we would need um
>> I let me I'm going to interrupt
» I let me I'm going to interrupt
>> knowing knowing the knowing your
» knowing knowing the knowing your
workload and all the things that have to
come together to think that you can get
through and the architect and structure
and everybody else get a design and get
it out to bid that's and have anything
to construct within a fiscal year is not
going to Mayor, can I can I not be
interrupted because we agreed to that
last time. I would ask you before I
spoke and you wouldn't interrupt. Mike,
what do you think you need this year?
>> I think we I think the 2.5 would be
» I think we I think the 2.5 would be
adequate to get the buildings designed
and under contract. Now, how much of
that would be left? I won't know that
for probably at least two weeks because
we got to get with the architect, figure
out how it's going to finish out. Um, so
any any remaining funds could go to the
rest of the project. And if you're
asking should how much more of the 5.1
should we try to give you to get going
on the road and the utilities? Is that
what I'm
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Um,
» Um,
>> ballpark.
» ballpark.
>> Let's say um 750,000.
» Let's say um 750,000.
>> So you would need us to take you to 3.25
» So you would need us to take you to 3.25
million this year,
>> right? I think that's reasonable for
» right? I think that's reasonable for
this next fiscal year. How much how much
I don't know if you already said it
while ago, but [clears throat] by us
using the reused asphalt from the other
three projects, stockpiling it and
already having that on site, how much do
you think that's going to save us from
having to go buy new asphalt and we can
reuse that?
>> I think that could save 6 to 800,000 off
» I think that could save 6 to 800,000 off
that estimate.
>> So us adding the 750,000 this year could
» So us adding the 750,000 this year could
save us 6 to 800,000 correct in the
following. Okay. And Mike, just one more
time, the left part that says total
sight area 3.759.
What is that fenced in area for? Just
debris or what? What is that area
utilized for?
>> That area right there. Yeah.
» That area right there. Yeah.
>> Well, that's that's for just
» Well, that's that's for just
>> that's our brush our brush and limb day
» that's our brush our brush and limb day
drop off area. That's where we're going
to keep spoils or anything. Okay. But
mainly brush and limb is what we're
expecting there.
>> Okay. And then what are we doing with
» Okay. And then what are we doing with
the old building?
>> We're going to keep using it.
» We're going to keep using it.
>> We will keep using it. And the long-term
» We will keep using it. And the long-term
plan would be to ever to be completely
in this section over here and that'd be
open to something else. Okay. We think
long-term plans there would require some
ma massive reworking just because of the
drainage issues we've always had there.
Everything there is too low by
comparison or lots of work would have to
happen around us.
>> And this new plan still keeps all the
» And this new plan still keeps all the
utilities available, easements a open,
gas wells accessible, all those things,
right?
>> Yes. They would still continue to use
» Yes. They would still continue to use
that gas hall road which is our driveway
and then the access road up here would
be unencumbered by all those gas line
easements and the issues that were
related to them.
>> Okay. So 750,000 is what he needs.
» Okay. So 750,000 is what he needs.
>> Yeah. I do I was coming in today willing
» Yeah. I do I was coming in today willing
to go up to the full 5 million. So if
you think only that's 3.25 is sufficient
then I'm I'm definitely okay.
>> I think I think that's enough to get us
» I think I think that's enough to get us
through this next year. I I think that's
that's
>> and then the rest next year whatever's
» and then the rest next year whatever's
left.
>> Yeah. And then Mike to go to the mayor's
» Yeah. And then Mike to go to the mayor's
kind of comment about, you know, your
guys' ability. Where does Belchip and
Associates sit with the amount of work?
This is going to be a heavy engineering
prepping for construction year. Can you
guys handle all that? What is your
response to that?
>> Yeah, we we've we've got um eight eight
» Yeah, we we've we've got um eight eight
full-time folks there at the office now.
Back when we used to work for you guys
in earnest, we we had three besides
George. So, we're capable. We've we've
uh we're not working for the town of
Ponder anymore, who was a big um uh
client of ours up and that's that's
within the last 3 months. So, we we have
the manpower to put on these projects.
>> So, there's nothing we budgeted for this
» So, there's nothing we budgeted for this
year that you would not be able to hit
the necessary deadlines to achieve.
>> No, we can we can we can achieve
» No, we can we can we can achieve
everything in this budget.
>> Okay. I just want to make sure. And then
» Okay. I just want to make sure. And then
one other thing, you weren't here last
Saturday. We put um $100,000 for a town
hall future vision um potentially
considering actually the front of this
public works land for a town hall or
somewhere else in the city. Do you think
that's enough to get us going? Um we
didn't want to spend a ton because we
want to work on our strategic plan, but
we also wanted to put funds available
for you to start considering locations
in the town um and more prepare us for
next year.
>> Yeah. And we've got an associate that
» Yeah. And we've got an associate that
might be a good um source for some of
that work, too. But yeah, 100 100,000 is
more than adequate to put something
together. You're talking about for this
piece right here?
>> Yeah. Well, it was it was an idea.
» Yeah. Well, it was it was an idea.
>> But just come up with something that
» But just come up with something that
could fit into a space
>> potentially. Some offices and places for
» potentially. Some offices and places for
people to meet concrete
>> for our growing staff.
» for our growing staff.
>> I'm done.
» I'm done.
>> Anything else? I have a question.
» Anything else? I have a question.
>> Yes, sir.
» Yes, sir.
>> What is that road needed for
» What is that road needed for
>> to get to the
» to get to the
>> No, it Well, public works would be the
» No, it Well, public works would be the
only thing out there
>> and they currently use schoolhouse road
» and they currently use schoolhouse road
or that road off of schoolhouse road.
>> James talked about this a few weeks ago.
» James talked about this a few weeks ago.
>> So, what is that new road down to the
» So, what is that new road down to the
south and into that four?
>> James talked about this a few weeks ago
» James talked about this a few weeks ago
at a city council meeting. need
>> I I didn't
I don't uh I'm asking the question now.
>> What is that road needed for?
» What is that road needed for?
>> So they get 18 wheelers in there.
» So they get 18 wheelers in there.
>> James, can you can you bring
» James, can you can you bring
>> James can answer that or Mike Anderson?
» James can answer that or Mike Anderson?
And Mike Anderson designed it. What's it
needed for?
>> Access to the public works and building
» Access to the public works and building
services department.
>> Building services
» Building services
>> including 18. You're planning on putting
» including 18. You're planning on putting
building services out here.
>> Yeah, we talked about take and yeah, not
» Yeah, we talked about take and yeah, not
having the rental fee here. That's one
of the options is one of them there.
>> I want to give you an example and this
» I want to give you an example and this
is about using taxpayer money.
>> Let's say that that road ends up costing
» Let's say that that road ends up costing
the city,
>> I don't know, $750,000.
» I don't know, $750,000.
Probably $1.5 million road, right? Let's
say we save half of it through the
county.
$750,000.
Take a calculator.
Take $750,000. Divide $38,000
into it. And how many years will it take
to recoup that money? If you're doing it
only for building services,
>> not just for them. Last future
» not just for them. Last future
development [clears throat] for that for
that other side of 77 acres. And there
was an issue.
>> There was future development. I I also
» There was future development. I I also
mentioned and
>> future development of what?
» future development of what?
>> The other side of the road.
» The other side of the road.
>> Other side.
» Other side.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> M Mr. Mayor, can No. Can Can we Can
» M Mr. Mayor, can No. Can Can we Can
>> Are you talking about the 40 acres on
» Are you talking about the 40 acres on
the south side?
>> He just doesn't want this one.
» He just doesn't want this one.
>> Mr. Mayor.
» Mr. Mayor.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
Maybe about a month ago, James Tucker
got up and stood at the podium and gave
a big presentation of why
we cannot do this up here because of
utilities, those gas ements and stuff
and he said we could not do that up
there and it's not good. So that's why
they came up with this new road right
here.
>> James, do you mind spend just a few
» James, do you mind spend just a few
minutes and explain that again because
it's
>> but he doesn't understand.
» but he doesn't understand.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Well, what was you know? I find it
» Well, what was you know? I find it
interesting. I listen to your questions.
I don't tell you or comment about your
questions, but every one of you are
chiding me for asking a question.
>> But he went every one of you.
» But he went every one of you.
>> I think the issue is that
» I think the issue is that
>> is that professional is that working?
» is that professional is that working?
>> Chris hasn't said a word. Chris has not
» Chris hasn't said a word. Chris has not
said a word about Chris hasn't said a
word.
>> Not every one of us has is frustrating.
» Not every one of us has is frustrating.
>> Well, majority of you looking at all
» Well, majority of you looking at all
three of you now.
>> So then there So
» So then there So
>> So James, Mr. Tucker, would you explain
» So James, Mr. Tucker, would you explain
to that why that road is needed?
>> All right. This road was was put on here
» All right. This road was was put on here
and was suggested because of the gas
lines that are in the way to make this
for public access to get down to it. Gas
lines, we have not ever come up with an
exact number, but the uh based on what
engineering knows about the typical
rules of crossing gas lines, they are
not going to let us construct a
permanent access road over at least one
of the gathering lines. and we'd have to
cross the line at at least like a 90
degree angle, which could be possible,
but the utilities that have to be
extended along that road would only ever
service the public works building um and
really nobody else. And the cost
difference, I mean, there is a cost
difference to provide them on this other
road, but more people would benefit from
them. So, that's what we suggest. would
benefit what people
>> any the there's a neighboring piece of
» any the there's a neighboring piece of
property if things ever develop there
they could utilize the water and sewer
as well and anything else
you to
>> do a development for the other property
» do a development for the other property
>> that was just one of the possible um
» that was just one of the possible um
positives of being proactive is what is
I think what we were saying
>> which is something this city has
» which is something this city has
struggled with
>> I see
I'm just asking you know the use of
money
>> that's a great question because we want
» that's a great question because we want
to make sure that Yeah, the money that's
being spent is going to be a useful way
to spend it. So,
>> uh the other thing I want to mention is
» uh the other thing I want to mention is
about thinking about uh putting building
services there. Now, that whole idea,
that old compound and that whole idea
emanated from the mayor years ago
and uh the idea when it could been we
were looking at thinking that it could
be put on the west side of the existing
public works building that I I thought,
well, you know, that would be a
we could put building services up there
with them. we could save $38,000 a year,
36 at that time.
Well, what we've learned or actually
public works and planning and everybody
learned here in the last few months, you
can't put it up here on the west side.
So that's why it's on the east side now.
And with regard to building services
over there, then that becomes that is a
an office used by the public and that
becomes almost a hidden spot. The
as far as ease of access and service to
uh those folks who get permits and
building inspections and things of that
nature,
you can't find a better place than where
it's at right now.
>> Were you saying that was 37? What was
» Were you saying that was 37? What was
the amount?
>> 38,000.
» 38,000.
>> How much? 38,000 is what he's used
» How much? 38,000 is what he's used
>> currently. It's 44,400 and that doesn't
» currently. It's 44,400 and that doesn't
include the the insurance. Is that I was
talking about the public the rental?
>> I'm not talking about just the rental of
» I'm not talking about just the rental of
the
>> That's what she's talking about.
» That's what she's talking about.
>> 38,000.
» 38,000.
>> It's 37,000 this year, which is 44,400.
» It's 37,000 this year, which is 44,400.
>> I just want to get my numbers right. And
» I just want to get my numbers right. And
then there's is there also liability? Is
there also insurance that we're paying?
>> But also all the storage fees that we
» But also all the storage fees that we
have for the library, for parks board,
for
>> No, not I'm talking about very
» No, not I'm talking about very
specifically building services. I am
too. But you were talking about $38,000
that we would save.
>> It's 44,000 include all
» It's 44,000 include all
>> 44,400.
» 44,400.
>> I know.
» I know.
>> Also, all the storage fees took right
» Also, all the storage fees took right
now groups.
>> Well, no, that's already in that was
» Well, no, that's already in that was
never uh building services would not be
providing storage area. I'm talking
about just the relocation.
>> Those buildings
» Those buildings
>> building services
» building services
>> and those buildings would also include
» and those buildings would also include
storage.
>> Yeah. So, this is going to wipe out like
» Yeah. So, this is going to wipe out like
$50,000 plus a year that we're spending
right now.
>> I'm looking at rent.
» I'm looking at rent.
>> Can I ask that we get back to the
» Can I ask that we get back to the
agenda?
>> But this is not on the agenda. That's
» But this is not on the agenda. That's
what I'm saying. Can we get back to the
agenda?
>> Is that this road was needed because
» Is that this road was needed because
>> technically this isn't on the agenda.
» technically this isn't on the agenda.
>> An improved road for the public to go to
» An improved road for the public to go to
building services. That's what I was
told.
>> Mayor, technically we have not told the
» Mayor, technically we have not told the
public we're discussing this building.
It's not even on the budget. It's not
something we're considering the
>> Oh, now you you want to I'm just
» Oh, now you you want to I'm just
bringing it down.
>> You know what? I I see the bias here.
» You know what? I I see the bias here.
Anyway, it's not
>> If I took 700
» If I took 700
>> $50,000 and divided 30 or $44,000 a year
» $50,000 and divided 30 or $44,000 a year
into it, it takes 17 years to get your
money back.
>> The bias here is that we don't want a
» The bias here is that we don't want a
horse arena and we don't want a
community garden. I know those are what
have you have planned for that that
land. But what we decided that's what
that land was bought for.
>> But we have decided that absolutely not
» But we have decided that absolutely not
true.
>> It is true. I was on capital and that
» It is true. I was on capital and that
was purchased and that is not true. That
was not true statement.
>> It is true.
» It is true.
>> That might be why you are telling people
» That might be why you are telling people
that absolutely not property for us.
>> An executive session was the only time
» An executive session was the only time
in question was ever mentioned until a
public town hall meeting where it was
talked about. But at council when I was
on it and we talked about it, it was
>> Oh, an open session. No, it wasn't say
» Oh, an open session. No, it wasn't say
it's fought very specifically. And it
>> Wait, so you're disclosing executive
» Wait, so you're disclosing executive
session?
>> No, he already that's already been done.
» No, he already that's already been done.
But um
>> he already did that.
» he already did that.
>> But we said we wanted to wait and see
» But we said we wanted to wait and see
what the citizens wanted in that area. I
I have the notes. I have We can That was
not purchased for that specifically by
by council approving that.
>> Either way, this is not on this agenda.
» Either way, this is not on this agenda.
>> No, this is on the agenda. Oh, you don't
» No, this is on the agenda. Oh, you don't
want to talk about this.
>> I'm talking about this has very
» I'm talking about this has very
specifically relates to the budget. It's
investing money in a an element for a
particular reason. It's all about money.
That's what this budget is about.
>> No matter what we're building, the
» No matter what we're building, the
public works office, which they need the
road to access and for the residents to
be able to access that drop off point. I
forget what you referred to it as, which
means we have to build that other road.
>> Mr.
» Mr.
>> Well, that's that's not particularly
» Well, that's that's not particularly
true. You don't have to. Oh, we've
decided to
>> I I you know, I just wanted to ask the
» I I you know, I just wanted to ask the
question.
>> Can I ask a question? Can I
» Can I ask a question? Can I
>> maybe Maybe he might write up something.
» maybe Maybe he might write up something.
The mayor can't ask questions.
>> No, you can ask questions. I'm just
» No, you can ask questions. I'm just
talking about office being built right
now.
>> Thank you very much. I am glad I got
» Thank you very much. I am glad I got
your permission.
>> Mr. Mayor.
» Mr. Mayor.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Over here.
» Over here.
>> I was not saying while ago you couldn't
» I was not saying while ago you couldn't
ask a question. That was not my my
statement. I was just referencing.
Thanks. Thanks for coming back. I was
just referencing that about a month ago,
Mr. Tucker gave a long presentation
during city council meeting, an update
on the public works building. He told
why we needed the new road and why we
could not use the old road because of
utilities. I was just telling you that
to save all this discussion when you
answer that question that he already had
a presentation for it and you can ask
him at a later time why that road is not
done, why we need this new road. He gave
a long drawn out multiple PowerPoint
deal of why the road is. So
>> that's good.
» that's good.
>> That's that's what I was trying I was
» That's that's what I was trying I was
not saying I wouldn't say you could ask
questions. You can
>> I was just reference he already said
» I was just reference he already said
that and we
>> I appreciate that.
» I appreciate that.
>> Yes, sir.
» Yes, sir.
>> Thank you very much.
» Thank you very much.
>> All right. Okay. Are we done with
» All right. Okay. Are we done with
facilities?
>> Yes. So, we're not going to talk about a
» Yes. So, we're not going to talk about a
library and the remodel of this one, but
we're going to talk about let's build a
monument called a city hall complex. Is
that
>> Well, you said you were going to talk
» Well, you said you were going to talk
about the library.
>> 25 to $30 million. That's what you're
» 25 to $30 million. That's what you're
talking about.
>> You said we were going to come back and
» You said we were going to come back and
talk about the library. We're not doing
that.
>> Are we going to talk about the library?
» Are we going to talk about the library?
That's what you said.
>> The library The librarian said last
» The library The librarian said last
librarian has said multiple times that
we she wants to wait. The librarians or
I mean, sorry. Anyway, the library man I
mean did you Marcy?
>> I didn't get the final decision on the
» I didn't get the final decision on the
public works. Are we adding 750,000 to
>> for now? Yes.
» for now? Yes.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Our our
» Our our
>> Okay. Library is the thought was
» Okay. Library is the thought was
>> that this larger library almost double
» that this larger library almost double
the size of what we have now can be
built. they will fully utilize every as
inch of it and offer the citizenry
much more and also it consolidates their
programs. They don't have to be walking
out of the library across the parking
lots to come into this room. This what
they use this room for can be contained
in that one building that one building.
They can rain or shine they do this. So
then that frees up the existing library.
The existing library is a little over
4,000 square ft. It's much bigger than
these offices over here, but one wing of
it could be dedicated for council
chambers. That eliminates the swapping
out of chairs and furniture and
arrangements in here that happen all the
time for every meeting we have. You
know, PNC, this meeting, that meeting,
that meeting. So that would eliminate
public works efforts.
The also a council chamber in that same
wing could be provided for the count or
not council chambers but a boardroom for
executive session meetings could be
included. The other wing
could be all city offices. Additional
offices that is needed. It's needed now.
It would retain these existing offices,
but it then it has the capability that
this existing could be coupled
structurally with that library to make a
much larger city hall office area.
>> What's the proposed location of the
» What's the proposed location of the
library? There's no land purchase
currently.
>> No, no, ma'am.
» No, no, ma'am.
>> So, what what where would the library
» So, what what where would the library
possibly be located? the
me see if I have that.
>> Mr. Mayor, I I guess I have a problem
» Mr. Mayor, I I guess I have a problem
with this because the our I mean I think
we do need a new library. I'm 100% on
board with that. But we need to think
realization. Right now, our librarian,
our head librarian, Miss Kelly, has said
last two years,
we want to wait until at least a year
that Fort Worth is open down the street.
See how that impacts us and see what we
need to do for that. if it really hurts
us, then we'll think about what we need
to do. Uh, but she said, "We need to
wait." She has said that multiple times.
And then, and I know you want a new
library. We all do. We do. We know this
one's We know this one's too small. It
was built good years ago, but it's too
small now, but right now, we just we
need to wait. And she has said we need
to wait. But I know you're full throttle
on this.
>> Where is that?
» Where is that?
>> So,
» So,
So, you're taking out some houses.
>> Where's this park?
» Where's this park?
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> So, is this my property that I own?
» So, is this my property that I own?
>> Is that your property?
» Is that your property?
>> Is that my property that I own on Gamble
» Is that my property that I own on Gamble
Street?
>> Is that your property?
» Is that your property?
>> That's why I'm asking you. It's your
» That's why I'm asking you. It's your
document.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Well, I don't know if that is your
» Well, I don't know if that is your
property.
>> The property that's right park.
» The property that's right park.
>> The if you got Gamble Park, there's an
» The if you got Gamble Park, there's an
empty lot and then there's a small house
to the west of those are both hers. owns
the so is that
>> so that but yes to answer your question
» so that but yes to answer your question
that's where that is
>> property at 105 it's not for sale so I
» property at 105 it's not for sale so I
don't that's the first I've seen of a
library on it but I can tell you that
for myself my property is not for sale
and I don't think my mom's is next door
for sale
>> but nonetheless um
» but nonetheless um
>> nonetheless um not going to put a bl is
» nonetheless um not going to put a bl is
that is where that would be
>> that's not
» that's not
>> that's where it's proposed and that was
» that's where it's proposed and that was
purely for site location
>> Mr. for property that's not owned by the
» Mr. for property that's not owned by the
city.
>> Before you do this, you just got to talk
» Before you do this, you just got to talk
to the property owners. This is
>> Yeah, I'm going to kind of recuse myself
» Yeah, I'm going to kind of recuse myself
from this conversation because I didn't
know anything about that at all. So, I'm
just going to
>> Mr. Mayor.
» Mr. Mayor.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Recuse myself. Right after I got on
» Recuse myself. Right after I got on
council last year, I [clears throat] saw
a uh rendering.
>> I saw a rendering of downtown HLlett
» I saw a rendering of downtown HLlett
that had previously been done and it
included a re redevelopment of all of
downtown Hlett and new municipal
buildings and all of that. And you
killed that project when you became
mayor is what I was was what I was told.
It was I think was it part of the
strategic plan or comprehensive plan?
>> No, we didn't we didn't do a downtown.
» No, we didn't we didn't do a downtown.
>> There was no I I don't I don't think it
» There was no I I don't I don't think it
was any particular
plan.
>> Well,
» Well,
>> was it in an ordinance or something or
» was it in an ordinance or something or
an official plan? Just not an official
never adopted.
>> I I don't know what you're talking about
» I I don't know what you're talking about
then.
>> Okay. But
» Okay. But
as as my fellow council members have
said, there's a new library going in for
Fort Worth,
>> right?
» right?
>> Right over there.
» Right over there.
>> Right.
» Right.
>> And everybody in our library has said
» And everybody in our library has said
they want to wait to see what that
impact is going to be before we spend
how many millions of dollars do you have
on the library here?
>> Seven.
» Seven.
>> Eight million.
» Eight million.
>> Eight.
» Eight.
>> 8 million on a library.
» 8 million on a library.
I love the library. I wish it had been
built bigger than it is now. And I I I
understand probably when it was built
there were certain constraints and only
so much money. I get all that and it
does need to be bigger if we're going to
continue to have a library for it to do
all the things that they would like to
do. But
we don't have $8 million to build a
library that nobody's asking for that we
don't know the impact of what that other
library is going to be. So, at the very
least, our library project is at least
three to five years out before we would
actually be building it. So, I don't
think it's appropriate to be having an
argument right now.
>> Part of my job, I see the needs now.
» Part of my job, I see the needs now.
>> We do too.
» We do too.
>> From my perspective, I we need a bigger
» From my perspective, I we need a bigger
library now.
>> Everybody knows that.
» Everybody knows that.
>> And we also need more city office space
» And we also need more city office space
now.
>> We needed that a long time ago.
» We needed that a long time ago.
>> Yes. And this is a very economical
» Yes. And this is a very economical
approach to acquire boat.
>> Could a Could a tad search been done
» Could a Could a tad search been done
prior to?
>> Madam,
» Madam,
>> could a TAD search have been done prior
» could a TAD search have been done prior
to see who even owned that property?
there I'll say there are many instances
where in city planning plans are made
irregardless of the property owner
>> but mayor if we were going to
» but mayor if we were going to
>> if you know that the property can't be
» if you know that the property can't be
acquired then okay [clears throat] go
change your plan
>> but if we were going to redevelop this
» but if we were going to redevelop this
site why did we let them build that
house right there why didn't we buy
these two lots that have been for sale
just in the last two to three years
>> what
» what
>> you would almost own this entire square
» you would almost own this entire square
block right Now, it would have been easy
>> to redevelop this.
» to redevelop this.
>> What are you talking about?
» What are you talking about?
>> What do you mean? What am I talking
» What do you mean? What am I talking
about
>> about by Why didn't we buy the entire
» about by Why didn't we buy the entire
block?
>> These two lots right here next to the
» These two lots right here next to the
parking lot have both been for sale in
the last 3 to 5 years.
>> Why didn't the city buy those? That
» Why didn't the city buy those? That
house is not that old. Why didn't the
city buy that? Then you would have the
land to do any expansion you want.
>> Hillwood owns the lot next to the
» Hillwood owns the lot next to the
parking lot.
>> It was sold as a residential lot, not
» It was sold as a residential lot, not
even
>> on the end. It was a residential life.
» on the end. It was a residential life.
>> Yes. But if the if you if you had a
» Yes. But if the if you if you had a
vision
>> if you had a vision that was put out a
» if you had a vision that was put out a
couple years ago, then that would have
been something that we could have worked
on step by step by step.
>> This sir, I didn't come up with a couple
» This sir, I didn't come up with a couple
years ago.
>> I understand. But all of a sudden,
» I understand. But all of a sudden,
you've come up with this.
>> Can we come back?
» Can we come back?
>> Is that [clears throat] Is there
» Is that [clears throat] Is there
something wrong with that?
>> That's fine. I just
» That's fine. I just
>> Is there something wrong with that?
» Is there something wrong with that?
>> What is wrong with that? It's not a
» What is wrong with that? It's not a
vision. It [clears throat] is.
This is just let's distract everybody
and throw this down because you don't
want us to build something
distraction and throwing people off.
That is a vision I'm looking at. You
know,
>> I work on things one thing at a time.
» I work on things one thing at a time.
>> Whose vision was it to build the first
» Whose vision was it to build the first
library?
A lot of people work together. I don't
know what it but it's true.
>> No, I just you're
» No, I just you're
>> all these city offices that we work over
» all these city offices that we work over
here now. What? Where did that come
from?
>> From you.
» From you.
>> It's all about you.
» It's all about you.
>> It was part of the vision.
» It was part of the vision.
>> Did you build all these buildings?
» Did you build all these buildings?
>> I didn't build the building
» I didn't build the building
>> and we're getting ready to update our
» and we're getting ready to update our
vision. We're we're working on
>> all I'm saying right now. I still I see
» all I'm saying right now. I still I see
something that needs to occur.
>> I got I got two two body including the
» I got I got two two body including the
librarian is telling you not that we
don't need
>> the librarian is telling you one thing
» the librarian is telling you one thing
but tells me another.
>> Is that right?
» Is that right?
>> Okay. Go ahead, Z. Yes.
» Okay. Go ahead, Z. Yes.
>> All right. I got two questions. Um and
» All right. I got two questions. Um and
there So I guess one question if I'm
ever looking to like buy a property or
anything like that, I look on the
appraisal Tarant County appraisal
westbound website.
That's something I feel like that you
would have done if you were going to
look at that lot. Number two, my other
question is or statement or this is a
question. when did you have our
engineering company or who when did you
have this plan done? Um and I would like
an answer. I don't want to like oh blah
blah blah because you somebody spent a
lot of time on that that was not done in
30 minutes. Somebody spent time drawing
out the parking lot and everything. When
was that? Who where did that money come
from that you
>> That was done in within the last year
» That was done in within the last year
and I had our city planner do it.
>> Morris
» Morris
>> how much how much they charge us for it?
» how much how much they charge us for it?
Well, Morris is on a it's not by hour.
He sent the contract.
>> So you had So you had So you had Morris
» So you had So you had So you had Morris
Swanky design that or draw that out, but
did not tell the city council. Did not
tell anybody that. You just throw this
on us on on a budget workshop.
>> There's no communication.
» There's no communication.
>> It's a concept. It's a working plan.
» It's a concept. It's a working plan.
>> It doesn't matter. It's the spend.
» It doesn't matter. It's the spend.
I was well within my rights and legal
action to have the city planner take a
look at this. Take a look at this.
>> It's called agenda for today.
» It's called agenda for today.
>> It's called communication with your
» It's called communication with your
city.
>> This is about a budget. It's I'm trying
» This is about a budget. It's I'm trying
to sell get this on the budget.
>> Okay. And just an example.
» Okay. And just an example.
>> We've already said we're not going to
» We've already said we're not going to
put it on the budget.
>> Just because you can do something
» Just because you can do something
doesn't mean you should. That that's
just a rule of life. And it's just an
example. when he when he went to go work
on the parks that came before the
council. I want to look for the future
offices in city hall. I didn't go talk
to Mr. Schwanki. I didn't go talk to the
engineer. I came before council and I
said, "Hey guys, you want to put in some
money for this?" And they said, "Just a
little bit because we're starting on
this strategic plan." That is what
working together as a city looks like.
And that eliminates waste because right
now you're getting no one's interested
in a library and on top of it you put it
on someone's land that isn't even
available. If you'd just come before
council and said you had this idea we
could have predisussed our concerns and
that's just what we're kind of I what I
at least am a council member am asking
you to start coming before council and
saying your ideas and hearing out our
opinions and concerns on it before you
just go move forward.
>> It's just called communication and it's
» It's just called communication and it's
We all today,
>> it's just communication. And I know you
» it's just communication. And I know you
don't like us, but it's communication.
>> No, I like communication.
» No, I like communication.
>> No, us, not us.
» No, us, not us.
>> No, I you know, it's like I invited
» No, I you know, it's like I invited
every one of you to meet with me
developing this budget over three weeks
ago. No one took wanted to meet
>> because that's not normal to meet
» because that's not normal to meet
individually.
>> It is. It's not.
» It is. It's not.
>> It is. Madam, you're two months old in
» It is. Madam, you're two months old in
this whole process. How do you
>> I've never once in eight years met with
» I've never once in eight years met with
Bob Golden.
>> But you were never invited. But I there
» But you were never invited. But I there
is nothing wrong. There's nothing
illegal about it.
>> And what was the responsible
» And what was the responsible
>> practices being transparent?
» practices being transparent?
>> It was not being transparent.
» It was not being transparent.
>> Correct. That's what my email said.
» Correct. That's what my email said.
>> Maybe this meeting that the group of you
» Maybe this meeting that the group of you
had three weeks ago or whenever it was
that I walked in on
>> that's not transparent.
» that's not transparent.
>> That you joined you were part of as
» That you joined you were part of as
well. There were respectfully there were
two council members and
>> say anything about it.
» say anything about it.
>> There were two council members and we
» There were two council members and we
reserved the boardroom so it was quite
transparent.
>> I was never given the courtesy of the
» I was never given the courtesy of the
budget but you it's not required.
>> It was there was they were talking about
» It was there was they were talking about
these projects that were but it's about
the budget.
>> No projects were being considered for
» No projects were being considered for
you when we first saw the 10ear plan for
the first time.
>> I see the adversity to the library or
» I see the adversity to the library or
anything else. So I won't may I probably
s even say anything about the need for
the community center and pavilion as to
what that opens up. You know one of the
things that I think is being ignored is
both the social and cultural needs of
asset over 1 million 1.1 million towards
a park. the parks is not uh you know
that's that's a recreational type thing.
I'm talking about somewhere for uh the
cultural and social interaction and the
a community center
better than this.
>> I don't think anyone say a pavilion
» I don't think anyone say a pavilion
serves that very purpose. then you're
actually growing community.
>> I I agree with you on the community
» I I agree with you on the community
center and I don't think anybody is
saying no to a community center. We're
saying and they even said this to me on
the town hall. It's we need to update
our strategic plan
>> before we start budgeting for these
» before we start budgeting for these
larger projects and focus on the road.
>> We have to update your strategic plan. I
» We have to update your strategic plan. I
haven't heard that conversation.
>> We talked about it in a city council
» We talked about it in a city council
meeting. I heard that you want to
>> and
» and
>> but I haven't [laughter] heard any
» but I haven't [laughter] heard any
somebody come out and say the city
citizens want to
>> and the number one item anyway is
» and the number one item anyway is
>> and mayor Hollyy and the number one item
» and mayor Hollyy and the number one item
is a is a rec center. So that is a that
is a need from the citizens. I don't
know about community center but
>> a rec center rec center is number one
» a rec center rec center is number one
>> and I even offered that we could build a
» and I even offered that we could build a
rec center with a community meeting
space in it
>> on the 76 acres. Well, you know, this
» on the 76 acres. Well, you know, this
community center and pavilion total is
>> $3 million or less.
» $3 million or less.
>> You mean the one we've already the
» You mean the one we've already the
pricing of it
>> and that is
» and that is
>> You mean the one that you try to get the
» You mean the one that you try to get the
federal government to pay for with your
fraudulent application?
>> Okay. Can Can we get back on task? We're
» Okay. Can Can we get back on task? We're
saying no to the library.
>> You are.
» You are.
>> I read the application. You put on here
» I read the application. You put on here
that we're a food desert and there were
economically depressed. I was advised to
put that on there at that time. You know
what a the definition of food does?
>> Actually, I do. Did you know I used to
» Actually, I do. Did you know I used to
do a whole history?
>> One, there was two parts to it. One was
» One, there was two parts to it. One was
distance to a grocery store.
>> Uhhuh.
» Uhhuh.
>> And we were greater than a mile.
» And we were greater than a mile.
>> But everybody here has greater
» But everybody here has greater
>> access by car.
» access by car.
>> It was according to definition.
» It was according to definition.
>> The definition is a food desert where
» The definition is a food desert where
people don't have access, can't get
there. Not just a grocery store. There's
a federal definition of that.
>> Uhhuh. I know very well the federal
» Uhhuh. I know very well the federal
definition of order in my previous loss.
>> Thank you very much.
» Thank you very much.
>> I'm asking for a point of order. I'm
» I'm asking for a point of order. I'm
asking for a point of order, please.
>> Point of order.
» Point of order.
>> Yes. Can we just get back to the agenda?
» Yes. Can we just get back to the agenda?
>> Just get back to the budget. Can we get
» Just get back to the budget. Can we get
>> So, um the community center and it's a
» So, um the community center and it's a
social and cultural gathering place. It
can be done very inexpensively and
you're bringing together. We have, you
know, people move into House of Texas
not just from other cities but from
other states and from other countries.
We got a diversity of culture here in
Hassllet
>> and we do very little if anything to try
» and we do very little if anything to try
to bring these people together. Now I we
might individually meet and know these
people. I do. And but to be able to
provide a a
a a venue where they can come together
and interact
uh not being a u fourth of July thing
but just regularly in a facility that
the people can use. This is for the
people.
I would strongly urge you to consider
this. $3 million for that kind of
facility
is very inexpensive and would reap great
rewards.
>> I I I 100% agree thousand% we need
» I I I 100% agree thousand% we need
something bigger than this and with all
the stuff that goes on in here but right
now what is more important community
center or updating our infrastructure
and our roads? Amen. I would take that
off. I think I think if you asked people
in the city if you put a poll on on our
website or anywhere else you said what's
more important right now community
center or fixing infrastructure on our
roads that would be overwhelming.
>> I'm not asking to trade anything off of
» I'm not asking to trade anything off of
this.
>> Everybody on here thinks that we need a
» Everybody on here thinks that we need a
community center. I'm pretty sure
>> or rec center.
» or rec center.
>> A rec center.
» A rec center.
>> But we we we need to work on our roads.
» But we we we need to work on our roads.
Like right now we want to fully
>> Mr. Gilbert. I'm not proposing to
» Mr. Gilbert. I'm not proposing to
eliminate any infrastructure projects.
those projects weren't on the bud in the
budget. So now we're adding those in and
that's going to be a significant cost
that wasn't budgeted.
>> I'd rather take those road projects.
» I'd rather take those road projects.
>> It was budgeted.
» It was budgeted.
>> You didn't put $1.
» You didn't put $1.
>> No, there was not.
» No, there was not.
>> You didn't put $1 towards road
» You didn't put $1 towards road
improvements
>> in your budget. We went with uh the
» in your budget. We went with uh the
three-year plan, four-year plan that Mr.
Swanky or
>> No, we didn't because several items were
» No, we didn't because several items were
missing.
>> There's not $1. There's some repair in
» There's not $1. There's some repair in
here, but there's not $1 for expanding
anything in in this budget. I'd rather
take that 3 million right now that
you're I love a community ser. I'd
rather take that 3 million go almost
fully fund the um uh John Day road or
put it towards our public worship
building. I'd rather take that money and
put it towards that something we really
need right now versus the community
center. Let's do the community center in
two years next year. I mean like let's
put it
>> another question I had on the on the
» another question I had on the on the
library as well is where's the location
for this proposed um
>> community center
» community center
>> facility? It might be on her property
» facility? It might be on her property
again.
>> It' be right off of schoolhouse road.
» It' be right off of schoolhouse road.
It's on the 76 acres.
>> Oh, the same.
» Oh, the same.
>> The 76 acres.
» The 76 acres.
>> This was originally his community
» This was originally his community
garden.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> I think we all just concurred that we're
» I think we all just concurred that we're
going to take this next year to do the
strategic plan. Tanya already brought it
forward. We are moving forward on that.
>> Get a vision for the city as a whole
» Get a vision for the city as a whole
because none of us speaks for the entire
city. We all together speak for the city
and see where that aligns at the end of
the year and consider these projects
next year.
>> Yeah, we all agree it's something we
» Yeah, we all agree it's something we
need. We're not against that. We we
agree with you on that, but right now
there's other things we need to to do.
>> Well, I appreciate y'all taking the time
» Well, I appreciate y'all taking the time
and letting me tell you express to why I
think we need it.
I appreciate that. Thank you very much
all of you.
>> No problem.
» No problem.
>> Can we
» Can we
>> All right. Given that please
» All right. Given that please
>> let's uh the next aspects of our agenda
» let's uh the next aspects of our agenda
tax rate.
Oh, updated updated paper coming.
>> And if we could I've been meaning to do
» And if we could I've been meaning to do
this for the last hour. Seriously, is
take a five minute break, please.
So, I recess the uh this open session at
3:02 p.m.
>> Marcy. [clears throat]
» Marcy. [clears throat]
>> Marcy,
» Marcy,
>> how long do you think this will take?
» how long do you think this will take?
All right.
the 750. Yeah. Okay. And the 20 there
and the Yeah. 660 70 there. Okay. Okay.
Yeah. Okay. Thank
Are we off break yet?
I remember James talking about the John
Deere.
>> It was on another
» Tanya said that we didn't we talked
about your John Deere equipment and
stuff that you needed, but didn't we
approve that last week?
>> Uh there wasn't any comment on it. There
» Uh there wasn't any comment on it. There
was two capital requests.
>> It's already in the budget.
» It's already in the budget.
>> Okay.
But I don't think we talked about
>> open session at 3:13 p.m.
» open session at 3:13 p.m.
I need to add
one last item. I need to now the capital
request that we have
is already included in the budget. That
was just very short period of time. Mr.
Tucker is working on a 10year plan for
capital.
But what I do have is a fire department
request that stands over the 10 years.
This being this first column here being
2026
U
and
for the 10 years that would be out to
3637
is $5.8 million.
>> Can you zoom out so we can see the
» Can you zoom out so we can see the
titles? They're kind of the apparatus.
>> What do you want to see? If you zoom out
» What do you want to see? If you zoom out
one right here, we should be able to see
the titles over on the left.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Scroll to the left.
» Scroll to the left.
>> Column A is a fully. There you go. Thank
» Column A is a fully. There you go. Thank
you.
>> So,
» So,
uh, with regard to fire and medical
equipment, uh, rescue, uh, equipment,
uh, here's the projections out the
highlighted here. I just that's 10
years. He's actually got it out.
But for this 10 years here,
uh these are uh projected out
those are things that need to be
replaced. These are scheduled
replacements that that have to occur and
he is uh has taken due diligence to make
things last as long as he can.
Uh fire uh
Yes. 10,500.
>> Yeah. And uh radio that's in our budget.
» Yeah. And uh radio that's in our budget.
>> That's that that's what we hadn't talked
» That's that that's what we hadn't talked
about. The 41,000. I have no problems
with those.
>> Dang it.
» Dang it.
>> That's a rollover from the current year.
» That's a rollover from the current year.
>> Yes.
Can I
>> the
Mr. Mayor? You're not uh your light's
not green. Nobody can hear you.
>> There you are.
» There you are.
Anyway, uh to uh for recording, we just
covered the uh fire department 10-year
outlook on their replacement of planned
replacement cost uh for the 10 years is
$5.8 million.
Uh council, we'll get you a copy of this
information. Yes.
Um I think we mentioned something last
week about that the fire fire engines
that we need to replace them every like
10 years. Is that is that correct? And I
think we mentioned last week that
they're like at their 10 year mark. Is
that correct or is that
>> So a engine will last us about 15 years.
» So a engine will last us about 15 years.
We're we're slower than most busier
departments. So we're going to last
longer than like city of Fort Worth is
going to last. So I believe in this one
I projected a 12-year replacement
>> on the engine and I'm at a 15
» on the engine and I'm at a 15
>> year replacement on the ladder truck.
» year replacement on the ladder truck.
And so, and I'm trying to estimate
inflation in these numbers also already
just to be prepared. I update this
pretty regularly as I'm looking at wear
and tear on our apparatus and also as I
get numbers from neighboring departments
that are ordering apparatus right now.
>> Will we ever need three fire engines or
» Will we ever need three fire engines or
do you think we'll kind of the way we're
the way we're looking with two? Do you
think we're good with a with a regular
one and a lighter one or do you think
we'll ever need like two small and one
big? the uh
that's where I'll be trying to we we'll
be talking about that next year when I
ask about this conversion to a type
three. It's a small pumping apparatus.
Um, part of that is it helped preserve
the life of our larger apparatus and
other part is if we ever remove
ourselves from the ESD or if the ESD
decides to take their current tanker
back, which is the third large apparatus
we have in our we would need a another
vehicle. So, uh, so it's it's planned
there. Uh, things can move and like I
said, it gets changed regularly based
off the needs.
>> Thanks for clarifying. Yes, sir.
» Thanks for clarifying. Yes, sir.
Well, that's the last capital item I
wanted to make you aware of.
>> Did we discuss the public works John
» Did we discuss the public works John
Deere tractor and the Chevy tracks?
>> I know we did because it was a third
» I know we did because it was a third
over a third of a third or something
like that.
>> We did and that was last week.
» We did and that was last week.
>> Uh
» Uh
>> the two pieces of equipment, the John
» the two pieces of equipment, the John
Deere and what was the other piece?
>> Chevy tracks. So there was well there
» Chevy tracks. So there was well there
was one vehicle request which is for our
>> No, I'm talking there was two of them
» No, I'm talking there was two of them
that there was two pieces of equipment
the uh lease payment option.
>> Yeah. So there was a backhoe and a large
» Yeah. So there was a backhoe and a large
uh enclosed tractor. It's to replace two
>> are in the budget presently and that is
» are in the budget presently and that is
reflected by using the lease purchase
program.
>> Perfect. Thank you.
» Perfect. Thank you.
the uh janitorial vehicle that uh
uh Mr. Tucker is speaking of, that's in
the budget and that's a
full purchase price,
>> correct?
» correct?
>> I think around $20,000 or something of
» I think around $20,000 or something of
that nature.
>> And that covered all his request.
» And that covered all his request.
>> Uh there was also a dump trailer in
» Uh there was also a dump trailer in
there as well.
>> But that's in the budget as well.
» But that's in the budget as well.
>> Everything was in the budget. Yeah.
» Everything was in the budget. Yeah.
Um, so all of the I'm I think the point
is all the public works capital
equipment request are presently in the
budget.
>> So, mayor, before we go on to tax rate,
» So, mayor, before we go on to tax rate,
there's two things I wanted to go back
to, which is the water impact fee and
the sewer impact fee. Yes,
>> they did pull that up. Um, the water was
» they did pull that up. Um, the water was
2,200 and change and you're projecting
80 households. So, that would mean that
this number
>> What page are you on?
» What page are you on?
>> I'm so sorry. 223.
» I'm so sorry. 223.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
Um, that does mean that this should be
more about half of last year's, not a
fourth, actually a little below a
fourth. It would be more about the
245ish
range.
>> I'll confirm that calculation
» I'll confirm that calculation
Monday
and uh that correction can still be
made.
>> Okay. And same, you'll look into the
» Okay. And same, you'll look into the
sewer impact and then
>> both both impact these. And then going
» both both impact these. And then going
back and maybe we look at this after we
speak taxes, but I I really do want us
to circle back at some point to page
193, the 2022 combo tax.
Um, the one that we're paying more
interest than we have principal because
if we paid that off this next year, if
that's an option, we would literally
make we'd break even the following year.
like it would be a significant a very
quick turnaround to paying that off if
it's an option to do. So I've just
>> Did you say pay 223
» Did you say pay 223
>> 193
» 193
>> 193
» 193
>> we have an interest payment of 189,000
» we have an interest payment of 189,000
and a principal payment or of 165. What
is the total on that
on that item?
I guess I just realized that's not the
total amount.
>> 354, I'm sorry, 860.
» 354, I'm sorry, 860.
>> So, I mean, still that's
» So, I mean, still that's
so we're supposed to pay this off in two
years then.
>> No, no, no.
» No, no, no.
>> Okay. Sorry.
» Oh, because we're paying that much
interest. Wow.
So the total due or owed 354 and change
which we pay that amount in one year
anyways.
So we could literally just pay it off
instead of paying interest. I mean can
we pay it off?
>> Uh no
» Uh no
pay
» oh that's
a million bond issue. So you
Okay, I see it now. I see it.
» I thought you were saying we owed 354.
>> Yeah. On on page 207. So, it's about 15
» Yeah. On on page 207. So, it's about 15
million you still owe.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> And I don't I don't believe there's a
» And I don't I don't believe there's a
call provision quite this soon.
>> No, you're good. We don't have that type
» No, you're good. We don't have that type
of money anyways. I was [laughter] it
was just now it makes sense why we're
paying so much in interest.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Cuz it's a significant loan.
» Cuz it's a significant loan.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Does that answer your question on the
» Does that answer your question on the
bonds?
>> It does. Was this the bond pulled for
» It does. Was this the bond pulled for
that we were speaking about earlier?
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> This is the bond part of part of the
» This is the bond part of part of the
expenditures on the projects are fund 26
and fund 29.
» Sorry I am wring that down.
Can you actually by chance mark that on
here when you do the final run through
of here for the bonds? Can you mark the
funds that the money is in? So like for
this item on page 207, you said fund 26,
fund 29. Could you
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> In 26 she said.
» In 26 she said.
>> Yes. the one on um if if you'll look on
» Yes. the one on um if if you'll look on
page let's see
look at the one on page 199
up at the top it shows tax supported
2809%.
>> Mhm.
» Mhm.
>> That's the general fund or the the tax
» That's the general fund or the the tax
supported piece.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> And if you look at 20 page 207 it shows
» And if you look at 20 page 207 it shows
71.91.
That's the water sewer piece. Now, for
the purpose of the bond issue, that's
one bond issue.
>> But since it's being funded separately,
» But since it's being funded separately,
we don't put the whole burden on the
tax. If we put 17 million burden on the
tax, it would be
pretty high debt service rate.
>> No. Understood. Can we just add a little
» No. Understood. Can we just add a little
note here so that people that don't
attend these meetings can understand a
little bit more?
>> Yes. The one on page 207 would be fund
» Yes. The one on page 207 would be fund
29
and the one on page 199 is um fund 26.
And when I say that that's the projects
that were
>> correct.
» correct.
>> Yeah. Approved for those.
» Yeah. Approved for those.
>> Maybe note projects um or bond funds
» Maybe note projects um or bond funds
projects under fun 29.
>> Yes, I can put that. Let me take you
» Yes, I can put that. Let me take you
through uh um a little history here on
this uh on the screen. I have um the
bond um the 2016
2020 2016 bonds what that was used for.
It did refund uh earlier certificates of
obligation and
um
it was
for water and wastewater projects.
The 20
2015 series bonds were issued
for water and sewer pro improvements
and ADC's pay portion of that.
the 20 2016
series bonds here. The maturity date
being 2031 was very specifically for the
ladder truck.
The 2017 series bonds
was for the fire engine.
Uh that wasn't the ladder truck. That
was just the larger fire engine. Right.
>> Correct.
» Correct.
What what number truck do you call that?
>> So it's our whole station is station
» So it's our whole station is station
128. So it's truck 128 and engine 128.
It's our two main out apparatus.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> So they are fairly new in overall.
» So they are fairly new in overall.
uh the 20 2022
series bonds that was for streets
and that's the one the $17 million bond
we've spoke of uh for streets water
wastewater the fire administration
expansion that we're working on now and
also uh Keller Hasslet Road it ends up
that uh we were net positive on that
project so we spent no bond money on
that project.
Uh
the 2020 series bonds, type A and type B
persist participated in and I think that
was a nominal $3 million a piece. A
total of $6 million cash put towards
that project. Uh that's what those that
uh 2020 series was about. But that's
just the what these bonds that you're
looking at what they were used for.
[snorts]
» Okay.
Marcy.
>> Yes, sir.
» Yes, sir.
Right now. Okay. Uh Marcy has put in
front of you, I believe, on everybody's
chair.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Here is a a summary of all the changes
» Here is a a summary of all the changes
that made thus far in our budget.
And um Margie, you can correct me if I'm
wrong. Our budget for this 20 26 27
meaning all our expenditures
is $18,192,778.
Our revenues
>> is looking at the general fund.
» is looking at the general fund.
>> He's he's Yes, he's on the general fund.
» He's he's Yes, he's on the general fund.
He's adding operating expenditures,
capital outlay, transfers out, and the
contingency fund
to get that
>> all
» all
>> to get what number? Sorry.
» to get what number? Sorry.
>> 18 million.
» 18 million.
>> To get what number, sir?
» To get what number, sir?
>> 18,192,778.
Is that what you got, Marcy?
>> I actually didn't get around to adding
» I actually didn't get around to adding
it up. Our
revenues
that is the sum of our at the very top
of the page our operating revenues and
our transfers in
that is a total of 11 million222,356.
That's a difference of $6,970,422.
Difference being
that's what has to be made up
and your
only partic your only source there is
property tax.
That's not going to happen.
So this is where Okay. What do we cut?
» Pardon?
>> I said which is again why we need more
» I said which is again why we need more
sales tax.
>> Well, it's there's a big list on here.
» Well, it's there's a big list on here.
There's a very big list of projects on
here. So this is uh this is the
difficult part.
Living within our means.
>> [snorts]
» Now, uh, I think now would be a good
time to let's introduce the, uh,
>> rates,
» rates,
>> certified tax roles, the rates.
» certified tax roles, the rates.
Uh, one thing you'll notice in here is
the
um,
our tax rates have have not dropped.
typically in you know in the past years
is that uh for
to gain the same revenue from the year
prior you would see a lower tax rate the
no new revenue rate would drop but
that's not the case this year and I
think many entities throughout North
Texas or Texas as a whole has
experienced this I know Fort Worth has
very specifically The Tarant County EDC
emergency district has experienced this
is that valuations
fell.
The valuations in within Hassid have
fallen
and that's what drives that percentage
rate up.
So just understand that
Get this stuff out of my way.
Marcy, you want to go ahead and just
start? Go ahead and go over the uh
tax rates.
>> Yes. At each of your spots, you should
» Yes. At each of your spots, you should
have a copy of the It looks like this.
It's the 2026
uh tax rate worksheet. This is um the
computation for all the rates and um
this computation was done for us by um
Tarant County
and it's based off the certified
valuations that um are received from the
uh Tarant appraisal district and the
Denton County Appraisal District. We do
have some property that's in Denton
County, so we add them both together to
get our total valuation.
Um, if you'll look at this big sheet
that I gave you, um, make sure on the
increase the third column from the
right, make sure your copy,
write down where there's a blue 8%, make
sure there's a 7.99 figure up above it.
and that way you'll know you have the
correct sheet we're looking at.
Um, so our according to the calculations
from Tarant County,
our total no new revenue rate is 339405
and that is shown in blue under the tax
rate column M ins total. That's the
total no new revenue rate.
If you adopted that rate, um you would
basically according to the way they do
the calculations, you would assume that
there's no increase in your tax rate
even though it is an increase in the tax
rate, but it's it's gets you the same
amount of dollars.
Um so basically you have in your tax
rate you have M and INS. So the M is
your maintenance fees and that's when
we're looking at the general fund column
or summary.
The um property tax number is 6.2
um 6 point or 62 6,242,000
is what um the mayor proposed for the
budget on there.
>> What was Can you repeat that? I'm sorry.
» What was Can you repeat that? I'm sorry.
that six mill on this on this sheet he's
proposed 6,242
to come from property tax.
» So on the M that was that's going to
fall between
um if you look at the M column and you
go down about
oh almost to the end probably three4s
the way you get to where you see 6.26
6.28 28 6.37
6256.
Um so somewhere in that range which is
um
the in the voter approval rate range for
both um the voter approval rate and the
voter approval rate for cities under
30,000.
Because we're a city under 30,000
population, we cannot go over this 8%
rate that I showed you initially in that
column. And so whenever we have intended
to
>> well up against that rate,
» well up against that rate,
>> you could with an election
» you could with an election
>> we can go over but it's a mandatory
» we can go over but it's a mandatory
election.
>> And where just one more time on you said
» And where just one more time on you said
that the mayor's prop on the proposed
budget where is the that six where is
that? That's This is on the general fund
summary
>> right
» right
>> up on the revenues the second line on
» up on the revenues the second line on
the right.
>> Second line 6.242. Thank you ma'am.
» Second line 6.242. Thank you ma'am.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Can I say a little word?
» Can I say a little word?
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> My understanding from the conference
» My understanding from the conference
last week and our discussions previously
if we go over this 8% it triggers an
election. And what they told us, if I
heard correctly at the conference, is if
it goes to an election and the voters
disprove it, it defaults back to the no
new revenue rate.
>> Well, it defaults to the rate I mean the
» Well, it defaults to the rate I mean the
revenue that we have the current year.
>> No new revenue rate.
» No new revenue rate.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
So it would go from 8% all the way back
to
uh whatever that is point I mean 0000
change.
>> So it go from a an a income of 6.9
» So it go from a an a income of 6.9
million roughly back to 6.4. So we'd
lose 500,000 if we didn't win the
election.
>> And our current tax rate is a 3.15450.
» And our current tax rate is a 3.15450.
>> Our current one
» Our current one
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> current rate is 3.
» current rate is 3.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
339.
>> No, that's what the no new revenue
» No, that's what the no new revenue
weight is. But last year the 3 point the
315.
>> Okay. Thank you.
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Where does that stack up with other
» Where does that stack up with other
towns around here? Do you know?
>> Yeah, we're very low.
» Yeah, we're very low.
>> We're very low
» We're very low
>> to to a lot of other towns.
» to to a lot of other towns.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> We're probably currently the of 16. Uh I
» We're probably currently the of 16. Uh I
know that I don't I haven't shown it to
this council, but in previous budget
meetings um
and neighborhood meetings
is I did a graph of or a data of 16 area
cities and their tax rates.
Three years ago, we were the lowest and
had always been the lowest of all 16.
Uh last year, I believe we were uh
second lowest.
Um but also we have a very low debt
ratio too. Um that's an attractive
thing. That's why our bond rating went
up three two years ago. Nonetheless is I
want to
mention to you I I I stated that our
valuations went down. I want to
last year's valuations actually this
current fiscal year in that but the
valuations we received almost a year ago
that the 2526 budget was worked on those
valuations was
1 bill960
million678
uh,647
Huh?
>> You said billion.
» You said billion.
>> Billion. Uh, that's
» Billion. Uh, that's
Yes.
This year it fell.
It's 1 bill914
million180,934.
It dropped 46 million497,713.
the valuations did uh that's even
including the new properties that came
online.
>> My case get keeps getting built for me
» about sales tax.
>> Sales tax. Sales tax. Sales tax.
» Sales tax. Sales tax. Sales tax.
>> No. Well, no. I understand. I understand
» No. Well, no. I understand. I understand
you're not as bad off as you may think,
but we'll get into more of that. Um the
we're in a there there are things
happening in
the world, the nation, um economy, our
North Texas economy that all contributed
to this drop in valuation. This is
nothing unique to North Texas.
Uh so
in that
going back to
uh understand if we go to this co this
rate called the dimminimous rate that's
that magic number that 8% that
correlates to
an additional $500,000
in revenue.
we have a difference of $6,970,000.
You're not going to be able to go up on
taxes enough to meet that difference.
So, this is going to take a look at
there are various sources uh or
mechanisms. Uh one is
uh bonds. Um, if we have a we got recent
I think a month old uh schedule bond
schedule. In fact, I have that right
here. Let me load it up. Oh, I got it
already loaded. Let me show that. This
is a tool in your toolbox.
Bonds.
Here you are.
Um,
» a $5 million the first column here. Uh
$5 million 20-year bond
adds.177
cents
to your property to your tax.
And if you go 10, it's just a multiple.
Uh
so for each $5 million
is
one not it's less than two cents so 1.8
8 cents
>> Mayor Hoy
» Mayor Hoy
>> per five million.
» per five million.
>> I might have been the original person
» I might have been the original person
that got kind of got us off track, but I
was wondering if Miss Lamb could
continue with the worksheet. I might
have asked the the initial question that
that interrupted her, but if you if you
could continue, you were kind of
explaining the different rates.
>> So, is that okay to do that now?
» So, is that okay to do that now?
>> Is that right? All right. Mayor,
» Is that right? All right. Mayor,
>> what's that?
» what's that?
>> Can she go back to what she was doing? I
» Can she go back to what she was doing? I
was trying to get clarification.
>> Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know I
» Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know I
interrupted. Yeah, I I'm the one that
interrupted actually. So, and so I'm
apologizing.
>> Please go right ahead.
» Okay. Um,
so the thing that this that the general
fund keys off of um for this property
tax is our M. the column or the amount
that shows as operating expenditures,
those expenditures are the ones that are
deemed to be covered by your M piece of
the of the rate. Uh the debt service
rate is
um just it is what it is because that's
what our debt service is for the coming
year. as I mentioned, you know, when we
were talking about the debt service
fund. So, the total rate is the rate
you're looking to set today as a
proposed rate. Um,
to just kind of understand this sheet,
the way I do this is I try to show you
different increments of different rates.
If there's a different level you want to
look at, I can run that. Um, but I've
tried to show you the no new revenue M
rate. That's that's where we begin.
That's where all the other rates key off
of. Then there's the total no new
revenue rate and that's it gets you a
little bit more in in M, but it's not to
be confused with the no new revenue M
rate. And then um the voter approval
rate, if you'll notice down here, it's
um basically at 6.82. And for those of
you that have been on council for a
while, you're going to wonder why it's
not at 3 and a half.
And that is because on this worksheet,
um if you turn to
um page nine of this worksheet, there is
what's called an unused increment. And
since last year you did not go to your
voter approval rate, there's an
increment that you can use this year. So
the reason that our voter approval rate
is above the 3 and a half% is because of
that unused increment rate. So um that
added uh 192,843
to what you can add on to.
So, I just wanted to highlight that I
did show you where the three and a half
uh piece would be, but our actual voter
approval rate is this 357797.
So, that voter approval rate
um is almost to the 6.242.
Um not quite. Um
the next rate is the city's under 30,000
which I explained is basically 8%.
And that's because um of our being under
30,000 were considered as a special
taxing unit which is allowed to go up to
this without going to a vote. If you go
between um if you go between or over the
um voter approval rate triggered dim
deminimus
there's a chance for a petition if you
go above the dimminimus there's an
automatic election.
So, um, in order to fund everything that
you have currently in the budget, which
the numbers that you changed mostly, uh,
at both of your workshops have been the
capital outlay numbers.
Um,
if they're not covered, if a lot of this
capital outlay is not covered in your
tax rate, then you're using your
reserves to fund those.
>> Using what?
» Using what?
>> Your reserves.
» Your reserves.
>> Yeah. And how much do we have in
» Yeah. And how much do we have in
reserves?
>> You uh started out with uh 15.2
» You uh started out with uh 15.2
and you will be down to
uh this fund balance on this general
fund page of 9,297
630.
>> So we'd use up 6 million of it if we
» So we'd use up 6 million of it if we
fully funded everything we have in here
without any cuts.
>> That's correct.
» That's correct.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
So, in order to set the tax rate today,
we're asking you to set a proposed tax
rate and authorize a hearing uh to be
held on the 14th.
And where you set your tax rate depends
on how much you want this uh 6.242
uh million
to change.
uh or if you want this capital number or
any of your M numbers to change to take
less expenditures out. And so,
um if you're not going to make any
changes to any of the projects or
whatever, um my recommendation to you
would be to go up to the 8% or the 7.99.
>> I do want to make a note where you see
» I do want to make a note where you see
30,000 voter approval rate that is your
effective voter approval rate.
>> The 3614.
» The 3614.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
[clears throat]
>> So if I was doing okay, if I was doing
» So if I was doing okay, if I was doing
my math correctly, it looked like from
the proposed budget we received last
week to today,
it was 650,000 increase in capital
outlay expenditures. Does anybody else
look at that and see if that's correct?
>> I can print off the capital outlay um
» I can print off the capital outlay um
changes for you.
>> I just Well, I have it on the overall
» I just Well, I have it on the overall
budget summary. I just took that
original number
of
um
yes from between the proposed and your
current you of course you took out the
library you took out the community
center but you added in
um the John Day road 1.425 425 million
blue mound 975,000
um and the blue mound 335,000
you also added in a million for today
for the John Road ultimate you added in
um
another 60,000 for houselet Park
reinforced concrete
and $10,000 for the Blue Mountain Road
grade separation
and 750,000
for the U public works facility
and you added 300,000 for parks.
I believe those are all
>> I was way off. It's Yeah, it was 1.8
» I was way off. It's Yeah, it was 1.8
million.
1 point
840,000.
>> So what is
» So what is
>> addition additional? Okay.
» addition additional? Okay.
>> So your your total capital went from
» 58
and now it's 64 6485.
>> Oh, I did do it wrong. Okay.
Marcy, so what's our current what's our
current tax rate like today?
>> The current tax rate is 31545.31
» The current tax rate is 31545.31
>> on the front page of your worksheet.
» on the front page of your worksheet.
>> So if we go up 8%oughly
» So if we go up 8%oughly
460
» Yes.
That puts us at
>> this number instead of six 242 is then
» this number instead of six 242 is then
>> 286.
» 286.
>> I'm going to hate
» I'm going to hate
>> it's just the M piece that you'd be in
» it's just the M piece that you'd be in
the general fund. 6.28673
if you went up to the 799.
So, we're only raising it at 4%. If you
kind of go with what Melsey said, well,
it go to this 3614
>> as far as the actual rate, but it will
» as far as the actual rate, but it will
it could it could make an 8% or 7.99
difference in their bill.
>> Oh.
» Oh.
>> Because this is based off of going to
» Because this is based off of going to
the no new revenue M rate.
[clears throat] So, it doesn't it's it's
not 8% over last year's rate. It's 8%
over the no new revenue M rate.
>> It raises
» It raises
>> Yeah. How much you say it raised?
» Yeah. How much you say it raised?
>> It goes up 6.918027
» It goes up 6.918027
million,
>> right?
» right?
>> 6.9,
» 6.9,
>> but only 6.2 is the M piece.
» but only 6.2 is the M piece.
>> That's what we care about.
» That's what we care about.
>> That's the piece that goes in the
» That's the piece that goes in the
general fund.
>> Yeah. Don't look at Don't look at the
» Yeah. Don't look at Don't look at the
total together. Only look at the M.
The 63742
goes into the debt service fund and
that's constant no matter what your rate
is.
>> So the mayor had already planned for a
» So the mayor had already planned for a
pretty significant increase.
>> Yeah, almost close to almost but not all
» Yeah, almost close to almost but not all
the way.
>> 7.14.
» 7.14.
>> Yeah. 7.14. Not Yeah.
» Okay. So 6,287,285
is the 8% increase. Say it again.
>> Correct. Which is what he
» Correct. Which is what he
>> turn your light on or turn your will you
» turn your light on or turn your will you
say it again please.
>> So if you just look in M it's 6,287,285
» So if you just look in M it's 6,287,285
at 8%.
>> We look at 7.99.
» We look at 7.99.
We can't go to eight, right? You have to
go 7.99.
>> Well, you could go to eight. We just
» Well, you could go to eight. We just
don't normally in case there's some type
of error, we try to make sure we know.
>> Okay. But the mayor already had what I'm
» Okay. But the mayor already had what I'm
trying to get to. The mayor already had
6,242,000.
Do it on the right side for me. Tell me
if if if
we if you you want eight, what was it on
the right side? What was his number?
>> The what right side?
» The what right side?
>> Give me the percentage, not the whole
» Give me the percentage, not the whole
amount.
Or give me the whole amount. I'll I'll
look over there.
>> Okay. At 7.99%.
» Okay. At 7.99%.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Right.
» Right.
>> Right.
» Right.
The the income in M is 6,286,73
on Marcy's paper.
>> Got it.
» Got it.
>> The mayor and the budget already had
» The mayor and the budget already had
6,242,000
>> which would be 7
» which would be 7
little more than 7.14.
>> So 7.2.
» So 7.2.
>> Yeah. But what I'm saying is it's only a
» Yeah. But what I'm saying is it's only a
44,000
difference,
>> right? So it's not like we can raise
» right? So it's not like we can raise
another 500,000 by going to 8 8%. He's
already got a lot of it baked into his
budget here.
>> Correct.
» Correct.
>> So even if we go up to the 7.99, we only
» So even if we go up to the 7.99, we only
get $40,000 more.
>> We're like 1.9 different from his
» We're like 1.9 different from his
original budget. But I'm going to say
something that I don't even love, but
it's something that we need to talk
about that I mean, we are depleting our
savings quite a bit. We're one emergency
away from a bad situation. I I'm
thinking we can talk about the rate, but
I honestly don't think we can afford to
do the public works office. Either that
or we got to tear apart a lot. We could
also pick the interest rate and then go
for a bond specifically for the public
works. The Well, it's gone now and see
what the people think because there is a
bond for 5 million. Um, put it to the
people.
I mean,
>> if you did a
» if you did a
looking at doing a bond just for public,
that would be better.
>> A better tool for that would be a bank
» A better tool for that would be a bank
loan.
>> I don't I don't believe we can issue an
» I don't I don't believe we can issue an
a bond for a public works building.
That's why it's being funded out of the
general fund already. There's very
narrow what we can issue the bonds for.
It's mostly water, sewer. We could do a
fire department. We could do a library.
>> I also think you'll get more voter
» I also think you'll get more voter
approval if you do a bond for roads than
>> No, we can't do We can't do a library.
» No, we can't do We can't do a library.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Can you do roads?
» Can you do roads?
>> We can do a We can do roads. We can do
» We can do a We can do roads. We can do
water, sewer, we can do public work
facilities. We can't
>> No,
» No,
>> I don't think
» I don't think
>> that's why public works is in the
» that's why public works is in the
general fund. Now,
>> now that pertains to cos only
» now that pertains to cos only
certificate of obligations. There's two
things. certificate of obligations and a
general obligation bond. A certificate
of obligation and this is the last
manner in 2022 is what we did. We
determined, okay, we need to group, we
need to finance these projects.
>> They're going to be needed anyway.
» They're going to be needed anyway.
>> If you did,
» If you did,
>> we made that decision and we took a
» we made that decision and we took a
council vote.
If you don't now,
>> if you did a bond,
» if you did a bond,
>> I believe you could go to an election to
» I believe you could go to an election to
do a public works facility.
>> That would be the go the general
» That would be the go the general
obligation bond. You go to an election.
>> That's what I was
» That's what I was
>> I don't think the public knows how bad
» I don't think the public knows how bad
we need a public works building. I don't
think they know about what all we know
about
why we need it and everything like that.
So,
>> I just don't think that I would think
» I just don't think that I would think
they would strike it down. I don't think
they would think, oh, $5 million for
that. I don't
>> Well, you you you don't know. I think
» Well, you you you don't know. I think
you have to educate them. I don't mind
doing the roads. I just think we're
going to have a lot of people upset if
we fund the public works building and
then put the roads up and what if the
roads don't get funded? Like what if the
bond doesn't?
>> Here's my here's my here's why what one
» Here's my here's my here's why what one
option I think we do. I think we take
out the 120,000 for Hasslup Park
reinforced concrete. We take out the
100,000 for a town hall concept. After
we do the strategic plan, we can come
back to that. We have contingency. Um,
that gets us down to only $430,000
different than the proposed budget.
>> What?
» What?
>> We are only We are only asking for
» We are only We are only asking for
$650,000 more in capital outlay.
>> Well, we're 1.9 off total.
» Well, we're 1.9 off total.
>> Yes, because it's 660 more in
» Yes, because it's 660 more in
expenditures, but I'm trying to get the
capital outlay down a little bit. And
the oneus 120US 100 would get it to 430.
Is there anything else on the list? I do
not want to take the public works
building off. I'm I'm okay with maybe
maybe making it a little bit less
instead of the what we put 3 point what
do we put in there
>> the public works building not going to
» the public works building not going to
get million
>> 3.25 25.
» 3.25 25.
>> The public works building is not going
» The public works building is not going
to get cheaper.
>> I want to make a comment about that
» I want to make a comment about that
public works building. I would recommend
you focus on the facilities, the
buildings,
the
>> He just said he wanted to do the roads
» He just said he wanted to do the roads
first,
>> but not the road. They can use that road
» but not the road. They can use that road
they have now into this facility.
>> And then you can look at another budget
» And then you can look at another budget
year if you need to build a road, but
it's not necessary. It's not I'll say
it's not a necessity for them to access
that new site.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> I know that
» I know that
>> I think what about for the park
» I think what about for the park
>> and that knocks what almost 2 million
» and that knocks what almost 2 million
out
>> and actually it's 180,000 not 120
» and actually it's 180,000 not 120
because we upped it to 180,000 for Hlet
Park. I forgot
>> for the community park. Could we remove
» for the community park. Could we remove
the extra 300,000 and of leave it for
HCDC if that's something that they want
to fund? I mean I mean they were I mean
>> that that's $300,000.
» that that's $300,000.
>> We could cut it in half or we could take
» We could cut it in half or we could take
out a hundred or something like that and
I'm I'm okay with that.
>> I think that on top of a h 100,000 for a
» I think that on top of a h 100,000 for a
sports field design when we're looking
at the budget that we can I I think it's
fiscally irresponsible.
I truly do. If the HCDC wants to fund
the more expensive park because we have
both
>> they've already tried that. No,
» they've already tried that. No,
>> the parks board is going to make a
» the parks board is going to make a
decision Wednesday on what park they
they choose. So that's
>> and if they choose the
» and if they choose the
>> but this 300,000 is I felt when I
» but this 300,000 is I felt when I
watched the meeting it was about some
other options they were planning on
doing the park. It wasn't just for the
the
>> 300,000 there one I think is for like
» 300,000 there one I think is for like
some sport or for some like exercising
and stuff like that.
>> If they don't get a grant there's a
» If they don't get a grant there's a
couple other things. Yeah.
>> But I think I'm okay lessing that to
» But I think I'm okay lessing that to
maybe 200,000 that's cuts us back
another 100,000. I disagree with any if
we're if we're upgrading the park next
year, let's do that and then the
following year
when we've got a little bit more money
maybe or if we prepare to go to a bond
for the roads because truly I see us
we're going to have to at some point go
to a bond for the roads. Hopefully we're
not funding all of it. Hopefully our
partners are working with us. But
>> I think let's take off the 300,000.
» I think let's take off the 300,000.
That'll get us closer to what what
you're talking about. I think we need to
do everything that Mike talked about for
the public works building. And I don't
agree with taking 300,000 off. I'm okay
with taking some, but if if the if it
doesn't get funded by the EDC, we're
just assuming it's going to. It might
not. Then they need those funds
available.
» We can request it from the EDC. Right.
>> Right. And they can refuse it. So, I
» Right. And they can refuse it. So, I
mean, that's just giving them another
option. It might not even be used. I
mean,
>> if the EDC's fund it, we
» if the EDC's fund it, we
part of the reason we put this in here
was so that we because if we're going to
pay for it, they're going to pay us
back. Um, which would be a wash.
Um,
>> but we don't have it of us getting paid
» but we don't have it of us getting paid
back right now. Correct. We just have it
as an expense.
>> Uh, no. I believe it's in the EDC's
» Uh, no. I believe it's in the EDC's
for I believe it's in there for the
whole thing. I I think they the EDC I
think approved it. I don't know the park
wants to.
>> Is there any other items that y'all like
» Is there any other items that y'all like
I'm just looking at like I said 180
taking off for the house of park
reinforcement 100,000 for the town hall
vision.
Um
possibly reducing like I said the public
works by a little bit maybe not. You you
don't want to do that. So um is there
anything else that you see that could be
>> I disagree with the 100,000 for the town
» I disagree with the 100,000 for the town
hall. We have to prepare for the
employees that we're going to have or
we're going to continue to have more and
more rent. Like we have to start
locating,
>> but that could come out of contingency
» but that could come out of contingency
once Mr. um Anderson lets us know what
the cost would be with his associate.
>> I don't know if it needs to be budgeted
» I don't know if it needs to be budgeted
is all I'm saying.
>> As y'all have this discussion, I want to
» As y'all have this discussion, I want to
with regard to at the bottom of the page
here, the bottom very bottom right is
your reserve amount. You know why? You
know, which what's the amount?
>> The reserve amount that you see is for
» The reserve amount that you see is for
4,900
or 894,000
right now.
>> You know,
» You know,
>> it's 295.
» it's 295.
>> I got the wrong one.
» I got the wrong one.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> I also think we could reduce the
» I also think we could reduce the
contingency to the contingency is at 1
million, right?
>> Oh my gosh.
» Oh my gosh.
>> Are you serious?
» Are you serious?
>> Contingencies at 1 million.
» Contingencies at 1 million.
>> Okay, let me make maybe this is more
» Okay, let me make maybe this is more
relevant now. you know the importance of
that number right there as I was showing
you earlier
uh with regard to the fire department.
>> Which number are you talking about Mr.
» Which number are you talking about Mr.
Mayor?
>> He's saying we are one emergency away
» He's saying we are one emergency away
like just needing a fire truck. Say our
fire truck breaks down tomorrow. We have
a problem.
>> Yes. So let me is my comment is trying
» Yes. So let me is my comment is trying
to keep this number up gives us the
ability to pay cash for things like this
fire department vehicles over the next
10 years reasonably pay cash for it and
keep it off a bond
that reserve number as we go out you
know and each year last year this last
budget year we didn't do it we would go
up historically
uh 7.99 and that would reap us almost
$500,000 a year. And as you can see over
the years that reserve fund got built up
pretty well and then we decided, okay,
we need to start spending some of that
reserves then which we did. Okay, but
we're getting pretty steep on the
negative side right now. So I'm asking
you to please keep that in mind why that
reserve number is important.
Oh, go ahead.
>> Is the reserve number the nine?
» Is the reserve number the nine?
>> No, it's the 2.9.
» No, it's the 2.9.
>> The 2.9. That's what you're talking
» The 2.9. That's what you're talking
about.
>> That's how much you're about to drop it
» That's how much you're about to drop it
by.
>> We were at 17 million in 2025 and we're
» We were at 17 million in 2025 and we're
about to drop it to just under three
million.
» Because we could change a contingency,
too. That's a million dollars in
contingency. That could be 5%.
>> Or nothing
» Or nothing
>> and give us 500. I mean, or nothing.
» and give us 500. I mean, or nothing.
You're right. Or nothing.
>> We didn't used to have it before. We
» We didn't used to have it before. We
never had it until Mayor Holy. But but I
do think it serves some purpose. Um
maybe not at
>> maybe not 10%, but 5% would be 500,000
» maybe not 10%, but 5% would be 500,000
back in. I let me tell you the purpose
that it serves is that as a contingency
[clears throat]
a budgeted item line item here of
contingency
it is part of this general fund. Now
let's say there's something that comes
up throughout the year and you need
$300,000 for
and
there's nowhere among all these items
within the budget. So you can make
changes within the budget without a
budget amendment.
>> I I understand what it what
» I I understand what it what
>> is you can pull from that contingency
» is you can pull from that contingency
without a budget amendment. That's the
purpose of it.
>> Right. And I I understand what work
» Right. And I I understand what work
contingency means. I think I remember
originally proposed it was 20 thou 20%
or maybe 15 but we decided 10 as a
council. So we can decide less as a
council. Now, if we go to 5%, it gives
us 500,000 still in there, and then puts
500,000 back in the um reserve. And then
if we take off off a few things, 180
here, 100 there, 200 here, then we're
really whittling away down at the the
cost.
And then go up to 7.99. What does that
how much extra does that or how much
does that produce for us?
>> $40,000.
» $40,000.
>> $44,000.
» $44,000.
>> Because he already had a lot of it baked
» Because he already had a lot of it baked
in here already,
>> Marcy, what point do you think is
» Marcy, what point do you think is
necessary to keep
>> the not contingency the the the reserve
» the not contingency the the the reserve
surplus where where do you think we need
to be as a city
>> off of your experience?
» off of your experience?
>> Well, the the target that we have is 50%
» Well, the the target that we have is 50%
at 5.2 million and that's that's part of
it. Now, this reserve surplus is the
2.9.
So, technically if you're reserving 5.2
two
um you're you're reserving that already.
If you look at the contingency, you
could add to that number if you reduced
it. That would raise that bottom number.
Um that the contingency and the target
uh have been policies of the council. So
if you don't feel that you need, you
know, that much of a target in your fund
balance, but if you if you'll look um
back historically,
I mean, you're you're still above the
target that you've had before, although
you're and and part of that is because
we did put fund 19 back in here.
Um,
so
you know, typically
you would look at an emergency reserve
of something to be
at least 90 to 120 days of your
operations.
Um, because if you were shut down for
some some reason, had a disaster or
something like that. But that's really a
a
you know it's really up to council what
you want your fund balance to be. I when
I first came on um it was probably in
the bottom line number was probably in
the million range. So we have made a lot
of progress. I would hate to see it go
down much further than
>> So you would say like this would be the
» So you would say like this would be the
bottom line after this?
>> Yeah I think this is pretty bottom line.
» Yeah I think this is pretty bottom line.
Yeah, I remember Mr. Quinn was pretty he
was pretty big on
>> Yeah. And I want to get your
» Yeah. And I want to get your
>> once again, not to belabor the fact, but
» once again, not to belabor the fact, but
um and not to pick on the fire
department, but we build in some things
last year
>> that that keep on going. I mean, they're
» that that keep on going. I mean, they're
the gifts that keep on giving. So any
any kind of increase is Yeah. it's going
to continue to take that if you don't
keep your M rate up
um your reserve is just going to
continue to go down unless you
drastically reduce your capital or as
the mayor mentioned issue some debt to
fund something. So you think if we were
to keep everything we have it, keep this
as it is right now, you would just
highly encourage that we're next year
considering either a bond or an increase
to the the M
>> or you consider a bond this year?
» or you consider a bond this year?
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> We're not ready for a bond.
» We're not ready for a bond.
>> Or we take
» Or we take
>> Well, you don't know that you're not.
» Well, you don't know that you're not.
>> Or we take off some items. We we reduce
» Or we take off some items. We we reduce
the contingency and that gets us about
$700,000 more in our
>> I'm sorry. Say that one more time.
» I'm sorry. Say that one more time.
>> You reduce the contingency by 5%. That
» You reduce the contingency by 5%. That
gives us $528,000 to add back in. And
then we take off the 180. Maybe that's
it.
And that gives us even more.
>> Does it matter? Oh, I'm so sorry. Go
» Does it matter? Oh, I'm so sorry. Go
ahead.
>> Um, [clears throat]
Miss Wise just asked, "Will we do it for
a bond?" You said, "Well, you don't know
that yet, but it's at the end of August
or
uh, you know, 1 of August. The
election's in the 1 of November. So in
like two months we'll have an election.
So can we get a bond ready by in less
than two months?
>> 17th of this month.
» 17th of this month.
>> Okay. So we have so we have we have we
» Okay. So we have so we have we have we
have nine days.
>> We would need to notify the county that
» We would need to notify the county that
we're going to have an election. That's
what that date is.
>> But yes, they could Hilltop could get a
» But yes, they could Hilltop could get a
bond ready if you knew the amount what
you're going to use it for.
>> When when is that when is that like when
» When when is that when is that like when
do we need to have that done by? If that
was the case,
>> it would be tight for them to do that.
» it would be tight for them to do that.
>> So, would you feel more comfortable with
» So, would you feel more comfortable with
the 3.664902?
>> I'm sorry. Say
» I'm sorry. Say
>> 3.664
» 3.664
instead of two. Instead of looking at
the 2956, it'd be 3664.
>> She's making it.
» She's making it.
>> Yeah, I'm just adding numbers.
» Yeah, I'm just adding numbers.
>> Doesn't matter where it is, whether it
» Doesn't matter where it is, whether it
be in the contingency or the reserve
surplus. Isn't that all sitting to the
side anyway? Does it really matter?
>> That's what you're saying.
» That's what you're saying.
>> Where it's located?
» Where it's located?
>> That's just what you're moving. It's
» That's just what you're moving. It's
just moving from there to there. Yeah.
But it looks better.
>> Still 9.
» Still 9.
>> It's still [clears throat]
» It's still [clears throat]
>> Yeah,
» Yeah,
>> that's what you're saying. It's still
» that's what you're saying. It's still
3.9
>> 9.3 million at
» 9.3 million at
>> Yeah. I just think as we move through
» Yeah. I just think as we move through
the next year, if we leave this as it
is, as we move through this next year,
we need to realize
>> that we do not have the money for the
» that we do not have the money for the
roads that are incoming or to even
finish out what's required for the roads
next year to if you we are going to have
to do a bond next year as in like a year
from now. We need to be ready and we
need to be considering and getting the
estimates for those roads ready and
finding out what our partners will
contribute if that makes
>> I yes that makes 100% but
» I yes that makes 100% but
>> excuse me guys while you're talking
» excuse me guys while you're talking
about that you mentioned but also
>> yes you can put
» yes you can put
>> any general election
» any general election
>> we won't be ready okay so it could be
» we won't be ready okay so it could be
[clears throat] in May also
>> in May you should do
» in May you should do
>> have a bond
» have a bond
>> okay the only other thing I would say
» okay the only other thing I would say
with reducing the to five is you
wouldn't have to do a budget amendment.
>> Well, no. No, we want to leave at 10.
» Well, no. No, we want to leave at 10.
So, we don't have to do a budget
amendment, right?
>> Right. Is that correct?
» Right. Is that correct?
>> What's that about budget amendment?
» What's that about budget amendment?
>> I would I would like to ask um Mr. um
» I would I would like to ask um Mr. um
Ashton, what in your past as a city
administrator, how you feel about
dipping to this level?
uh really just echo what Marcy said and
in particular and then also um I believe
it was either Miss Wise or Mr. Kurthers
that
when you're looking at the uh
contingency the fund balance target
that's been set by the council and then
the reserve surplus those can all be
thought of as broken out and then they
can all be thought of as one number too.
So I mean you you still you still have
multiple layers of
uh
of different things built in as opposed
to just having a final reserve of of
that number. So, it really is like Marcy
said, it's it's what the council's
philosophy is on those numbers and
wanting to to adhere to those numbers.
>> And let me may I share you because I
» And let me may I share you because I
instituted these numbers. May I share
you the thought behind it?
is
one. Uh
contingency had been used quite often
prior to 2021. Some point in time the
council stopped using contingency but I
put it back in is because just like
these projects they don't know exactly
what's going to happen. We can't
forecast exactly what's going to happen.
what we'll spend on air from. We do our
best that we can.
>> I'm save. We're going to keep
» I'm save. We're going to keep
contingency. I was the only one that I
was the only one talking
not in favor of it and I'm good.
Everybody else is good. So, we're good
with contingency.
>> Okay. I I just wanted to explain
» Okay. I I just wanted to explain
>> more. We got it. I mean, we're good with
» more. We got it. I mean, we're good with
contingency. We're going to keep it in.
And you like you mentioned there's no
budget amendment.
>> The uh target of 50%.
» The uh target of 50%.
>> We're good. I think we're good with
» We're good. I think we're good with
that, too.
>> You're good with the target of 50%.
» You're good with the target of 50%.
>> Yeah. we were just visually looking at
» Yeah. we were just visually looking at
it different that the these aren't all
this money is still the city's money
even though it's broken out it looks uh
less and actually it helps me because in
2023
if you look at the total of the fund
balance target and the reserve surplus
we're actually almost at the same this
year. So you do see a significant
increase but that's also when we had a
lot of income coming into the city. A
lot of homes being built but we also did
have a lot of expense because of that in
those years. So, we're almost kind of
balancing back out to 2023. It's just
broken out differently. When you look at
the reserve surplus, it looks a little
scary. And that kind of shocked me cuz
it went 9.6 10 17 and now we're down to
two. But then once I saw it's because
they had been moved to separate
accounts, it's a little less. It's It's
easier to digest.
>> My question is, is there anything we
» My question is, is there anything we
want to take off now or we want to
That's my question. I just want to
mention one other thing that's when
you're talking about the tax rate. I
think this is one of the more important
things to look at and that's if you'll
look at the fund balance effect the
increase decrease
that's shows you what your tax rate and
all your revenues are actually covering
toward your operations.
And part of the reason that um your
operating expense um has gone up over
the years, particularly the last uh
three or four, is because the mayor has
um put in raises, the council's put in
raises. Um we've had additional expenses
for, you know, a multitude of things. Um
>> we've doubled the number of employees.
» we've doubled the number of employees.
>> Yes, we've doubled the number of
» Yes, we've doubled the number of
employees. Those are all recurring
expenses. And if you look at this right
hand column, uh you're only covering all
those expenses right now um at 653,000
to the good. So that's the number in the
future that's really the most important
because you can fund your capital with
other financing mechanisms, but you
really can't fund your M with much else
unless we get the sales tax. Um and you
know unless
>> all goes back to sales tax.
» all goes back to sales tax.
>> Yeah. Unless we um keep our tax rate
» Yeah. Unless we um keep our tax rate
sufficient to cover those and it it you
know to me it it's not necessarily are
you raising rates, are you lowering
rates? You know I know politically for
you all that that's a hard thing but to
have a rate that's sufficient to cover
your expenses there's nothing wrong with
that. that's that's fiscally responsible
to make sure that you can cover your
expenses. So, I almost think that that's
really a more important number than the
capital. Capital's a one-time hit and
you know, you do have other ways to
finance it. So, I just wanted to I just
wanted to say that
>> I'm good with the 7.99.
» I'm good with the 7.99.
>> Marcy, thank you for validating my sales
» Marcy, thank you for validating my sales
tax. I appreciate that.
[laughter]
>> I agree.
» I agree.
>> I'm just going to keep going.
» I'm just going to keep going.
>> Do you you agree? I agree with the
» Do you you agree? I agree with the
7.990. I just want to make sure all as
council we're aware and working towards
a bond's going to be required for these
roads and it's we got to put in work to
have it ready next year.
>> We knew that a long time ago.
» We knew that a long time ago.
>> It's
» It's
>> we just have to come to the conversation
» we just have to come to the conversation
and come to the realization. I mean,
we're not going to fund 55 million to do
the whole blue mound,
>> but we can do a smaller amount to make
» but we can do a smaller amount to make
some some serious difference
>> 100%. And also, yeah, other roads John
» 100%. And also, yeah, other roads John
Day is really concerning.
Yeah, I'm glad that
back in those are those two items are
huge to be placed back in the budget.
>> John Day and Blue Mountain are the
» John Day and Blue Mountain are the
priorities, right? Because that's what
we we are we are required to fund those
roads anyway.
>> I do think we can get assistance. I
» I do think we can get assistance. I
truly do.
>> John Day and the two intersections will
» John Day and the two intersections will
be huge to get those.
>> Absolutely.
» Okay. So, what do we need to do for
7.990?
>> Well, before that, are we good with not
» Well, before that, are we good with not
taking anything out? We're leaving
everything in. Nothing's coming back.
Nothing's coming out.
>> What I would want to take out, I don't
» What I would want to take out, I don't
think anybody else agrees. So, yes.
Which is what
>> she wants the 300 out. And I want the
» she wants the 300 out. And I want the
180 out. So, I just got Let's Let's talk
about it. I mean, does anybody else want
the 180? If not, we'll leave it.
>> What's the 180 again?
» What's the 180 again?
>> The park.
» The park.
>> Let me let me ask a question. I heard
» Let me let me ask a question. I heard
earlier you're going to take Hasslet
Park out.
>> We're trying to talk about that right
» We're trying to talk about that right
now.
>> Oh, the two items I heard was Hasslet
» Oh, the two items I heard was Hasslet
Park and then the town hall 100,000.
decided I think the town hall was going
to stay in correct as a group.
>> I hope so.
» I hope so.
>> I I mean I think so too. I mean thinking
» I I mean I think so too. I mean thinking
about it and
>> so can I ask about the 300,000 because
» they have 500,000 already right?
>> We have allocated 500,000 in the general
» We have allocated 500,000 in the general
>> the 300 was not to get a bigger better
» the 300 was not to get a bigger better
park equipment. It was to do something
different.
>> No possibly.
» No possibly.
>> Possibly.
» Possibly.
>> Possibly. [snorts] But it was also for
» Possibly. [snorts] But it was also for
exercise equipment. They were want to
get a grant or something like that. And
so that that's kind of what that was
for.
>> Yeah. They were just they were just
» Yeah. They were just they were just
asking for that additional money as a um
as a cushion is all.
>> Well, let me let me ask you let me well
» Well, let me let me ask you let me well
make a comment. Think in terms of what
is needed? I know we're moving ahead. We
got to always move ahead. But which of
these items is needed right now? And one
the town hall thing. Um,
you're probably looking at a $25 million
project easily
>> for what?
» for what?
>> For a town hall,
» For a town hall,
>> but but we're not
» but but we're not
>> But but let me let me finish. I know
» But but let me let me finish. I know
it's not what you want to hear.
>> No, I'm saying we're not even we're not
» No, I'm saying we're not even we're not
building it.
>> How does
» How does
building cost 25 million?
>> $100,000
» $100,000
to go look.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> So, I'm just saying you could put that
» So, I'm just saying you could put that
off another year.
>> Not saying erase it. just put it off
» Not saying erase it. just put it off
another year. Um,
>> but keep his library.
» but keep his library.
>> But likewise the um well, y'all have
» But likewise the um well, y'all have
erased the library. I understand that.
You've erased the community event
centers, but um some of this you there
there's there's three prongs. You got
what are all your tools to accomplish
it? How low are you going to take your
reserve?
And what is needed on top of this? what
what do I what I need this coming year
to grow but address the necessities.
>> So, could you finish what you were
» So, could you finish what you were
saying, Chris?
>> Well, I just
» Well, I just
I know at one point this year there was
a discussion about 800,000 from EDC to
fund new park equipment.
And now we have 500,000 from the park
board and they're asking for another
300.
But none of that is EDC money. It's all
general fund money. Wait, do we have it
double?
>> I'm just trying to What?
» I'm just trying to What?
>> Do we have to double budget? Is that
» Do we have to double budget? Is that
what you're saying?
>> No, I said EDC offered 300.
» No, I said EDC offered 300.
>> He said EDC has offered 800,000 for the
» He said EDC has offered 800,000 for the
new park and then the parks board is now
saying we want to we want it 500 u but
now we want an extra 300. And so he's
saying but that's coming out of the
general fund. And he's like we might as
well just let the EDC pay for it and
then not come out of our general fund.
>> We just can't make the assumption that
» We just can't make the assumption that
the EDC is going to fund.
>> I understand. I just I'm just still
» I understand. I just I'm just still
grieving a little bit that whole process
blew up because we would not even have
to be talking.
>> We only have ourselves to blame for
» We only have ourselves to blame for
that. I mean I that's just but that it
is what it is. Let's look forward and I
I just if you want to lower it I'm okay
lowering it a little bit. I think um
they just want a little bit of in case
the EDC decides that they that's not a
project they want to move forward with.
They're going to be funding it
themselves. They want to make sure they
have enough money if it goes over the
500,000. I think they really are trying
to keep it at that that price point from
what I heard listened on the meeting.
Um, but I don't if you want to change it
to 200 just so there's a little bit.
>> I missed the last park board meeting so
» I missed the last park board meeting so
I
>> I just watched it. I wasn't like
» I just watched it. I wasn't like
>> I don't want to speak to if they I know
» I don't want to speak to if they I know
they were looking at the 500. I know
there's no guarantee and then they got
to suggest.
Do we think the HCEDC and do we think if
we asked them to either way cover that
that would be an issue?
>> I I don't know. I just I just like
» I I don't know. I just I just like
having it in the general funding case if
that's what we want to use that money on
or that's what we want them using the
money on. It needs to have a needs to be
budgeted in case it's not picked up as a
project. You can't budget on a hope
>> and yeah, so we can take it down to
» and yeah, so we can take it down to
200,000 and and I am in favor of taking
off the House of Park pushing it out one
more year.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> But if that like I said, we need to talk
» But if that like I said, we need to talk
about those those two things.
>> Both of those.
» Both of those.
>> When is the park board meeting?
» When is the park board meeting?
>> It's Wednesday.
» It's Wednesday.
>> This coming Wednesday.
» This coming Wednesday.
>> Yes, ma'am.
» Yes, ma'am.
>> Oh,
» Oh,
>> yeah.
» yeah.
>> That's what you're thinking. We would
» That's what you're thinking. We would
know what they're going to do.
>> We would know before the 17th.
» We would know before the 17th.
>> We would.
» We would.
>> And could we get with HC? Could Joe get
» And could we get with HC? Could Joe get
with HCDC and see? I mean, I would
>> they meet on
» they meet on
>> You would have to meet with their full
» You would have to meet with their full
board.
>> Oh, is it all?
» Oh, is it all?
>> I keep thinking more further.
» I keep thinking more further.
>> But we would know if if they're if they
» But we would know if if they're if they
approve a $500,000 playground or
$800,000 playground to recommend. We
would know that after Wednesday. That's
a good point.
>> But all all the playgrounds that they
» But all all the playgrounds that they
brought forward a few weeks ago, the
parks board did, the three that they
narrowed it down to are all around
500,000. So they've not the parks
they're looking at are not 800. They're
all 500. They went from a big nice park
playground towers down to something
really small. So it's like they they
shrunk they shrunk it down a lot.
>> Let me make a suggestion please. Is take
» Let me make a suggestion please. Is take
the 300,000 out.
If park board wants some additional
money for a project then they can come
to the city c the council needs to ask
the EDC not a park board is park or EDC
will you take this as a project fund
this additional 300,000 for whatever
that project is and they all go yes or
no
>> well so I think a middle ground sorry
» well so I think a middle ground sorry
mayor may I speak
Okay, wonderful. The So, if they do pick
a half a million dollar park, I think
with contingency and stuff, maybe they'd
need about$100,000 because I have a
feeling it might be slightly over. But
if they go with, here's the thing,
they're bringing their recommendations
to us. HCEDC has already given us a
recommendation. So, say the parks board
goes for the half million dollar one and
HCEDC says, "Hey, we'll pay for this
$800,000 one." Council still gets to
decide. We can go with the big one and
HCDC funds it or we can go with the
smaller one that the parks board decides
and have a little bit of money put to
the side for them. We don't need the
>> That's true. Or we just use the $500,000
» That's true. Or we just use the $500,000
that the EDC's already said they were
going to spend.
>> Aren't we funding the 500,000 from the
» Aren't we funding the 500,000 from the
parks no matter what? Because the parks
didn't have $500,000 in their budget.
>> It's HC. I thought was
» It's HC. I thought was
>> do what?
» do what?
>> It's already here.
» It's already here.
>> Okay. Well, I'm saying we're funding it,
» Okay. Well, I'm saying we're funding it,
not the par. It's not coming out of the
It's not fun out of fund 15. It's coming
out of our So
>> we're fun. So, if the parks board says
» we're fun. So, if the parks board says
we want a $500 $500,000 park, the
general fund's funding that, not the
parks board. I just want to clarify
that.
>> Butc is reimbursing. Didn't they say
» Butc is reimbursing. Didn't they say
they're covering that park?
>> Well,
» Well,
>> no, the 5 the 500,000 is covered by them
» no, the 5 the 500,000 is covered by them
no matter what.
>> The 500,000 was already passed from a
» The 500,000 was already passed from a
resolution a couple months ago. The
additional 300 is what they're asking
for.
>> The 500,000 is paid by the HCDC no
» The 500,000 is paid by the HCDC no
matter what. That was approved. It's the
additional.
>> What if we dropped it to 150? What if we
» What if we dropped it to 150? What if we
just cut it in half?
>> It's not if they want to pay for the
» It's not if they want to pay for the
park. HCEDC already agreed to pay that
half a million. That is a done deal. The
question is the rest.
HCEDC, even if we go with the park's
recommendation for the half a million
dollars, HCEDC will have to pay that
half million.
>> Or what about this? We have they already
» Or what about this? We have they already
had the 500,000. We have a contingency
fund. We also have EDC as an option. I
think we could take off the 300,000
and just like you said have them bring
the but the the proposal and see what
the proposal comes out to and then we
can make a decision like if we need to
ask EDC to cover a little bit or if we
need to maybe pull a little bit about
out of contingency or something part was
for that exercise pad if they don't get
the grant they wanted to have the monies
available for that as well.
>> Yeah. You know, I don't know. I don't
» Yeah. You know, I don't know. I don't
know the cost of that.
>> But maybe they do that next year because
» But maybe they do that next year because
that that they don't have to do it at
the same time. Right.
>> Right. So, they asked for like one thing
» Right. So, they asked for like one thing
and
>> and we save for the one thing.
» and we save for the one thing.
>> Well, we we're still giving them 500,000
» Well, we we're still giving them 500,000
though.
>> That was last year.
» That was last year.
>> They didn't give us at all an estimate
» They didn't give us at all an estimate
on the cost.
>> What is the 300,000 ask? What is it for?
» What is the 300,000 ask? What is it for?
The parks board meeting was for in case
the the parks playground bids came in a
little bit over their bud over budget of
500 and for a exercise
pad.
>> Oh, I I introduced them to that.
» Oh, I I introduced them to that.
>> Well, good. It was uh
» Well, good. It was uh
>> and there's a grant that I think Miss
» and there's a grant that I think Miss
Nimbu said she was applying for um but
she just wasn't sure. So, how much So,
what is the cost on that? What is the
cost?
>> What?
» What?
>> You said you introduced it so he'll know
» You said you introduced it so he'll know
the cost. Well, I I just introduced the
I don't know the cost. They didn't get
into it, but it's a lowlevel
grant persist. They call it a grant. Uh
it's a private concern through uh
um Baylor Scott and White and or Blue
Shield. I think Blue Shield, they offer
that as well.
um for a
say uh $250,000
exercise.
>> $250,000. Okay, that's
» $250,000. Okay, that's
>> I I'm No, I don't know that. I'm just
» I I'm No, I don't know that. I'm just
saying for example, no, I do not know
how much they cost
>> that they they would only this grant is
» that they they would only this grant is
only good for about 25,000. Okay,
>> it's a very low ratio. And a quick
» it's a very low ratio. And a quick
search shows that like um a park Olympic
spirit fitness course about 27,000. This
is not including install. So the
equipment's about 25,000. I think if we
put a h 100,000 and just wait to see. I
mean I think
>> I'm good with that.
» I'm good with that.
>> 100,000.
» 100,000.
>> Dropping that to 100,000. Everybody okay
» Dropping that to 100,000. Everybody okay
with that?
>> Sure.
» Sure.
>> And then what about the house lit park?
» And then what about the house lit park?
>> 180,000.
» 180,000.
>> That's your call. It's your
» That's your call. It's your
neighborhood.
>> Yeah. I feel like that's
» Yeah. I feel like that's
>> I I feel like it can be pushed out one
» I I feel like it can be pushed out one
year.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Zach.
» No. What do we what
>> that that's the 180 for engineering and
» that that's the 180 for engineering and
design. Correct.
>> Correct.
» Correct.
>> Now you
» Now you
>> So you but you did up your repair.
» So you but you did up your repair.
>> Yes. They already they already increased
» Yes. They already they already increased
otherwise
>> taken care of.
» taken care of.
>> So is the 180 is that for the repairs or
» So is the 180 is that for the repairs or
what's the 180 for?
>> 180 was engineering design for the
» 180 was engineering design for the
>> I think we can push that because we're
» I think we can push that because we're
pushing that back. We're pushing the
we're pushing that.
>> Look at us [laughter] agreeing. Go
» Look at us [laughter] agreeing. Go
ahead, Zach. I'm excited that we're
agreeing. Go ahead. Well, Doug would be
giving us the the the bad look over
there. But I mean, I think if we want to
push if we're pushing the other stuff
like talked back earlier, then we can
start doing engineering next year or
something like that. But, um, I was
thinking this 180 was about the the
band-aids that we want to keep doing to
our to our street. That's fun.
>> Okay. I don't want to cut the band-aids
» Okay. I don't want to cut the band-aids
off.
>> And um, the cost is between$100 and
» And um, the cost is between$100 and
$200,000. I just um inquired from the
parks board chair. So that's how much
those exercise path
>> 100 to 200,000.
» 100 to 200,000.
>> So does that mean that Mike Anderson's
» So does that mean that Mike Anderson's
not going to work on our neighborhood
anymore? like they're done doing
surveying and all this stuff.