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This conference will now be recorded.

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Well, good morning. Uh, thank you for

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your patience. Uh, I call to order this

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uh workshops a special city council

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meeting on this August 8th, 2026 at 9:01

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a.m. and a

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super majority

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of the council is present

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with that. Uh, if we could go to uh

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invitation and pledge. Thank you

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almighty father for your many gifts and

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your wisdom and your guidance. We pray

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that you are with us always in Jesus

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name. Amen.

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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Honor the Texas flag. I pledge

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allegiance to thee, Texas, one state

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under God, one and indivisible.

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one. Uh any speakers?

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>> No, sir.

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>> Is there anybody online?

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» All right.

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Very good. Let's go to the item four. Uh

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the fiscal year 2026 2027 proposed

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budget. The

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item 4 A we will pick up from where we

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left off. That'll be a short conclusion

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there and then go into uh the remainder

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of the items.

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One is uh debt service fund and two is

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special revenue funds and

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um Miss Lamb will do that presentation.

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>> It's page 191, guys.

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» Good morning, mayor and council. Um if

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you look at page 93

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um this is the debt service fund for um

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that's supported by property tax and um

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if you'll look at that the um

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revenues are based on um the no new

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revenue rate. Should you raise a

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different tax rate that um would change

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um for on the advorum taxes line for the

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revenues

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um the

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under the debt service requirements all

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the different bond issues or

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certificates of obligation that are um

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funded by the property tax are listed

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there with their principal interest and

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fee requirements um for the next coming

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year. This is the debt service that is

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submitted to the county when they do our

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um calculations for our debt service

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rate

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uh that you'll be talking about later uh

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in the meeting. On the following pages,

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uh there's just a summary of

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um all of them put together to show you

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the impact um of them all together. And

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then starting on page 196, you have the

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different issues listed out uh to their

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maturity. One thing I wanted to point

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out on the headings of those on p like

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page 196, this is tax supported portion.

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60% on that uh general obligation

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refunding bond. The other 40% is funded

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by water and sewer. Um, and you'll see

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that as we move on to um the debt

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service for the water and sewer funds.

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On page 2011 is our other debt service

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fund and this is the uh fund

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[clears throat] that the water and sewer

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debt is funded. This fund actually on

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your audited financial statements will

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combine with fund two which is your

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water and sewer fund. uh because these

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um issues are not funded by the property

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tax. They are funded with water and

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sewer revenues. So you have uh in on the

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revenues you have a transfer from impact

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fees that is something that was set up

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many years ago and I don't know the

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history behind all of that but the

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impact fees for water and sewer uh

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support one of the debt issues and they

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transfer in 150,000 towards that. this

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transfer from water and sewer. Um we

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just show the portion that's actually

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being funded this year out of fund O2.

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Then one of the debt issues um type A

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and type B participate in and so they're

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they transfer in to pay this debt. They

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each transfer in 35,000

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and then this fund earns interest

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income. So that's where the funding for

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these debt issues come from. all those

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different sources. Then once again on

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the requirements, it's listing out your

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principal, interest, and your fee

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requirements for the coming year. This

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debt once again is not included in the

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property tax.

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On the next pages, you have the same you

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have the summary that shows them all

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together with their requirements and

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then the individual um to maturity and

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the percentage that they're funded.

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And just point out that um on page 207,

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this is the certificates of obligations

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uh that we did in 2022.

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The majority of this, this is what is

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reflected with the pro the projects that

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are in fund 29

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um the water and sewer piece of that

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which is 71.91%.

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So the heavy burden of this one is is on

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the water and sewer fund.

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Are there any questions on the debt

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service?

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I just have one and I'm just trying to

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understand you said for page 193. So the

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interest it's stating is interest earned

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or interest charged to us

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>> on the um top of the top of the page

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under revenues there's interest earned

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>> but in the debt service requirement

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>> but in the debt service the it's the

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interest payment.

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Just trying to understand for the 2022

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combo tax um why are we holding on to a

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debt that's double for the interest

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charge? So like I'm looking principal

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for next year's 165 interest we're going

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to pay is 189.

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>> What page are you on?

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>> 193

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>> towards the bottom bottom line

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>> under 2022 combo tax

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>> 193 sorry

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>> I mean the rest seem like reasonable

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interest charges if I'm reading it

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correctly but that one is more than the

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principal.

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>> we could wipe that out.

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>> Part of the reason for that is the way

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it was issued. It it was almost a year.

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It was almost 18 months before we made

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the first interest payment. So, it's

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behind on the the amount that's

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outstanding.

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>> and I can double check this number, but

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it should be correct.

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years and they're always much higher

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than the principal. I mean, with such a

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small is it not in the city's best

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interest or is it even an option to pay

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this one off just because the interest

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is so high or is that not

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>> There are call provisions. I'd have to

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look them up. Um, but yes, all of these

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issues have call provisions in them.

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>> Okay. I'm just looking at the interest

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compared to the principal and it just

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seems like something we may want to talk

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about and consider.

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There any other question?

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Uh if there's not we can go on to the

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next item which is special revenue funds

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and those start on page 209

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actually start on page 213 with the

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parkboard fund. Heartboard fund is the

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fund that um they fund their activities

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and events um out of. This fund is

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funded by uh contributions that show up

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on the utility bill. The customers have

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the option to make donations to this

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fund. So those are shown in the park

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fund contributions.

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Then the um down at the bottom you'll

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see a matching transfer any we this

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general fund matches any donations that

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are made by the citizens. So that's

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where that is shown.

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And then the other large revenue source

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for this is the transfer from the

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general fund. the general fund. U the

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council has uh for many years had this

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$62,400

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amount that they subsidized this fund

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with.

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And then the other revenues are for the

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particular events that the um park board

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holds and these are the sponsorships and

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donations that um Katrina goes out when

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she's working the events and secures

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from the different sponsors.

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One of the new items that they requested

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in the current or in the next year's

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budget is they want to reinstate their

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rodeo uh project. So they have added

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$40,000

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at both the revenue and expenditure line

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for the rodeo.

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Um other than that there's

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very little changes um from the prior

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year.

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The in addition to this Mr. Mayor, may

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I just have a curiosity question.

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>> They're saying they're going to have

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40,000 in income and 40,000 in expenses

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for the rodeo. Where does the income

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come from for the rodeo?

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>> Sponsorships.

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>> So, they think they'll get that much

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from sponsorships.

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>> That That's how we budget it.

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>> Sometimes they go over sponsorships and

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sometimes they don't make it. But

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vendors as well.

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>> Yeah. I'm just saying on the other

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events, they don't really bring in that

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much. So, I'm just want I'm just curious

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why the rodeo has such a higher number

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for income.

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>> Um because it has a high number for

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expenditures. They they do the same.

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This is how they've always budgeted.

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>> Because that's Katrina's goal is to go

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out and try to raise $40,000.

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>> Okay.

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>> Or, you know, for um the fireworks, you

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know, she raises, you know, more money.

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it's not always feasible to to raise

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them, but

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>> Right.

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>> We have no idea how to determine who

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will sponsor, who will not,

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>> right?

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>> So that's why it's reflected this way.

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say that there's a third party that runs

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it and he also goes out and gets

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sponsorships and sometimes Katrina and

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him have or the city and him have worked

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a um agreement where some of the

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sponsorship goes to us as well. So it it

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will raise more money.

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>> Okay. Thank you'all. in the past.

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>> In addition, the park um park board did

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request that the city add 300,000 to the

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playground project which um you all

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added in the general fund at your last

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workshop.

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>> Mayor,

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>> yeah.

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>> Um so, question. Why do we continue to

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put the 62,400 in there if they've got a

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pretty healthy

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budget? It looks like they're they're

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able to cover their own costs and

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they're actually increasing on their

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ending available resources. Is that

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something we need to consider changing?

284
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>> It's been the custom of the council to

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do that every year for many years. If

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this council would like to change that,

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then uh that could be part of your

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change.

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>> And I don't mind the the park board

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having money. It just looks like they

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don't need it. So the question is why

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are we putting it there?

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I believe the previous amount was

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$57,000

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and at one point we raised it to 624.

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» Is there a budget you think is healthy

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for them to have at ending available

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resources?

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» I yeah I don't I don't know that I have

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a a real opinion on that. there are um

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there hasn't been a a situation that I

302
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can think of where they were in danger

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of running short or um

304
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>> definitely not a quarter of a million

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dollars.

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>> No.

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>> Okay. So, I mean that's just something

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for us to

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>> Yeah. Or or definitely thinking about

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maybe reducing that number to

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>> or maybe just removing it just for this

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year. I mean

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>> I would remove it completely. The first

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thing I would do is maybe

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[clears throat] reduce and then if it's

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still not used then remove. Okay. But

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>> I think the reason reason she might be,

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not to put words in your mouth, but

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because they have $260,000

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available at the end of the year.

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>> So if you if you took it out completely,

322
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they'd still have $200,000 left over.

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I think is maybe is that

324
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>> that is what I was saying. I was just

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saying that's what Oh, sorry. I'm not

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sure why it's doing that.

327
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>> Um [clears throat] even if we only

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removed it for the year, they would

329
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still have a very healthy budget was all

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I was saying. But I even just reducing I

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just don't

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from what they've spent and from their

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history, it just doesn't look like they

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need a quarter of a million dollar,

335
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>> right?

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>> Maybe reduce it by half. Like just

337
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because if I do agree, I think it was 57

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before and I'm I don't know the history

339
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of why that has always been the case,

340
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but

341
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>> I might make the suggestion. Uh I hear

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what you're saying.

343
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uh this transfer

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from general fund being 62,400

345
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and

346
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with the total revenue at 161450

347
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and total expenditures estimated at

348
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151250

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for this budget to balance out and

350
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reduce that uh it would be lower that

351
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62400

352
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to maybe 52400

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decrease it by 10,000 And that's the

354
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diff that's approximate number. I had to

355
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get my calculator, but that's the

356
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approximate difference between

357
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uh this year's uh proposed revenue

358
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versus expenditures.

359
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And the uh your this quarter of a

360
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million, you're looking at the total

361
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ending resources. Those are carry over

362
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from year to year to year that uh it's a reserve that uh they have in this park

363
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board fund

364
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>> just as we do in our general fund.

365
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>> Understood. And it's just talking about

366
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do they really need a quarter of a

367
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million dollars of reserves or even

368
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200,000. I mean I'm just saying we

369
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should talk about it if if we feel

370
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>> time talk about

371
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>> Yeah. Now that I see kind of what you

372
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said with the total revenue and the

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total expenditures, you wouldn't want to

374
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>> go less on the revenue than what they're

375
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going to expend. Even though there is

376
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that reserve,

377
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I think it would be good practice to

378
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keep it balanced.

379
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>> Well, let's see what that difference

380
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,159
actual difference would be. So 161

381
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>> 10,200.

382
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>> How much?

383
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>> 10,200.

384
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>> $10,200.

385
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So if you decrease that uh revenue the

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match

387
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uh how much does that take that to that

388
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52,212

389
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» 522

390
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,039
>> that's a good start for sure and then we

391
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can look at it maybe doing more next

392
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year.

393
00:28:04,399 --> 00:28:06,240
>> Well also you don't want to cut too far

394
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this year but since they're adding

395
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another new big event you want to see

396
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how that kind of plays out maybe. So I

397
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,480
think a little decrease is fine. I just

398
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think something definitely we keep an

399
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eye on as we go next year.

400
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>> Marcy,

401
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uh [clears throat]

402
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uh when we get new houses in that know

403
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:26,799
we were talking about last week with

404
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:28,720
that sweet grass that $1,000 that every

405
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,360
house gets built goes into the goes

406
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towards the fund 15. Is that is that one

407
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:35,840
of these line items? Because once all

408
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,360
the houses are being built then they

409
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:39,600
won't be getting all that extra money

410
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,760
from all these new houses. So the parks

411
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board their budget if I'm correcting

412
00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:46,320
right should be going I mean they

413
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wouldn't be getting a lot of money and

414
00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:48,799
so they won't be having all this extra

415
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:50,640
money in there. Correct.

416
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,640
>> This this fun

417
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,640
>> this fund is separate from fund 15. Oh

418
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okay. So

419
00:28:55,919 --> 00:29:00,000
>> yeah. Um and prior to our boon and

420
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,320
building fund 15 was very small. So

421
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,240
you're correct. It's it's going to go

422
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:06,640
back down.

423
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:07,840
>> So this is so this is

424
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,840
>> it's not going to affect this fun.

425
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:10,960
>> Oh okay. Okay.

426
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,440
>> This park fund contribution is from the

427
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,120
water bill like where they can opt. Is

428
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:15,760
that where

429
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,399
>> they get water bill and then the general

430
00:29:18,399 --> 00:29:19,760
fund matches that?

431
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:20,240
>> Okay.

432
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,640
>> And then they have the 624.

433
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,720
>> Okay. So in that park fund contribution

434
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,159
we're matching.

435
00:29:26,159 --> 00:29:28,640
>> Yes. If you see park fund contributions

436
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,480
of 15 and then down at towards the end

437
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,520
>> uh matching transfer general fund. Okay.

438
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,440
Is 15.

439
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,870
>> Okay.

440
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,559
So, did you get that we were going to

441
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:45,120
reduce the transfer from general fund to

442
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,640
52,200?

443
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,799
Yes. Moving forward. Okay.

444
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:53,200
>> And I just want to note just for anyone

445
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,799
watching, that's not us trying to slash

446
00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:57,440
park uh board funding. That's just

447
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,520
looking at the accounts. Um if the park

448
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,159
board needs more money, we are we're not

449
00:30:02,159 --> 00:30:04,559
saying no. We're just adjusting to their

450
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:07,520
current almost quarter million available

451
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:14,149
resources.

452
00:30:14,159 --> 00:30:18,710
Are there any other questions on

453
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,320
Okay.

454
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:26,070
Uh the next one is impact fees

455
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:31,669
and that's on page 223.

456
00:30:31,679 --> 00:30:34,320
Um once again this is this is going to

457
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,960
be driven by um the development that we

458
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,279
have going on. So the revenues for this

459
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:42,720
fund are the water and sewer impact fees

460
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,679
and then interest income. Uh interest

461
00:30:45,679 --> 00:30:49,360
income obviously would um go down as

462
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:55,840
these um this balance goes down. Um and

463
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,840
Mike can probably tell us more about

464
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,600
what impact fees can be used for. But um

465
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,600
in looking at next year's budget um what

466
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,760
we've what we've seen here is a transfer

467
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,279
as I mentioned before on the debt

468
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:12,559
service that the impact fees transfer to

469
00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:14,320
the debt service fund. So that's that

470
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,240
$150,000

471
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,000
transfer that you see. And then what we

472
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,480
have budgeted in here for project

473
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,159
expenditures

474
00:31:24,159 --> 00:31:26,480
in the current year

475
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,640
that 965,000

476
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,880
for FM156 Blue Mountain Road 16in water

477
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,640
line lowering that is a current uh

478
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:41,279
project and so if it's not completed or

479
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:43,679
not began in this year it'll carry

480
00:31:43,679 --> 00:31:47,200
forward. the water system master plan,

481
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,960
$5,000 is budgeted for next year. And

482
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,039
then in the sewer

483
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:56,480
uh section, the impact program update

484
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,279
for 20,000 and the sewer system master

485
00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:01,840
plan for 425

486
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,360
and those were um on the recommendation

487
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,480
of Mr. Anderson.

488
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,200
the impact fees. Uh if you'll look at

489
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:16,630
that graph on the screen,

490
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,840
this is the historicals

491
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,240
u buildout

492
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,559
since uh 20 or 17 fiscal year 1718

493
00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:30,159
starting on the very far left and up to

494
00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:32,799
this last fiscal year or this fiscal

495
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:36,240
year 2526.

496
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,120
this uh

497
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,480
year we expect a build out of

498
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,360
approximately 82 homes.

499
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,679
That's why you see and that correlates

500
00:32:47,679 --> 00:32:50,399
these impact fees correlate directly

501
00:32:50,399 --> 00:32:53,360
with that construction. Now what's not

502
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:58,549
reflected in here is

503
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:02,799
uh commercial. We we the

504
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:05,519
residential permits or the residential

505
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:09,600
construction is uh very well predicted.

506
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,919
The developers have that down to a

507
00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:13,519
science

508
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:16,240
and the these numbers is where we get

509
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,279
that from. and also we track the permits

510
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:23,279
uh compared to what they forecasted.

511
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:26,159
What we don't have in here uh in the

512
00:33:26,159 --> 00:33:30,399
impact fee revenue here is any large

513
00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:32,880
warehouse any commercial endeavor that

514
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,840
may come that is uh not predictable. So

515
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,399
it would be to a benefit if a commercial

516
00:33:40,399 --> 00:33:42,880
a large warehouse comes in they pay

517
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,120
their impact fees

518
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,279
that will give more revenue than what

519
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:48,559
we're estimating.

520
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:50,080
>> It would not be beneficial if a large

521
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,200
warehouse comes in.

522
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:51,840
>> Sorry.

523
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,279
>> It would not be beneficial if a large

524
00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:56,320
warehouse comes in.

525
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,039
We [clears throat] have said over and over and the citizens have said

526
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:00,399
it as well. We do not want any more

527
00:34:00,399 --> 00:34:01,519
warehouses.

528
00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:04,960
>> The master land use plan which I know is

529
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,760
going into review. A bulk of that, you

530
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,320
know, probably

531
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:15,760
25% of the city on the north side

532
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,679
is zoned or is industrial.

533
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,159
It is industrial. That is the market

534
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:27,919
demand for uh Hasslet, Texas.

535
00:34:27,919 --> 00:34:30,800
It's it would be nice, you know, but

536
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,599
there you and you need to the

537
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:38,000
logistics industry, the warehousing

538
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,520
industry,

539
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:45,200
uh those commercial facilities, they're not particularly evil. There is

540
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,480
an upside and yes, there's a downside

541
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,639
when you get a large warehouse. And I'll

542
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:52,560
just take a minute here. I'm not trying

543
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:53,359
to divert.

544
00:34:53,359 --> 00:34:54,399
>> Yeah, I'd like to get back on the

545
00:34:54,399 --> 00:34:54,879
agenda.

546
00:34:54,879 --> 00:34:56,639
>> Yes. But when make when you make a

547
00:34:56,639 --> 00:35:00,000
comment in public that warehousing we

548
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,320
don't want anymore that we need to step

549
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,119
back and understand what that means to

550
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:08,400
the city is that

551
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,760
uh a large warehouse say a 500,000 foot

552
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,160
warehouse or even a million square foot

553
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,440
warehouse uh

554
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,680
that is one large facility. There are

555
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,680
proportionally if you had a million

556
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,240
square foot or residential

557
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:30,720
um home sites that uh I worked that

558
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:32,480
number up but I think that might be

559
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:38,880
maybe 150 homes. U is that

560
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,280
150 homes

561
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,839
those are 150 points of failure for

562
00:35:43,839 --> 00:35:46,400
water and sewer that public works has to

563
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,440
maintain. For a large warehouse, there

564
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,760
might be three connection points in the

565
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,760
entire facility versus 150. So the

566
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,359
upside is there a relatively smaller

567
00:35:59,359 --> 00:36:02,560
line serving that large million square

568
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,480
foot facility

569
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:09,839
and less maintenance required

570
00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:12,640
from the public works side of the world

571
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,839
to maintain that. Also with a large

572
00:36:15,839 --> 00:36:18,240
warehouse depending on the operation

573
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:21,920
with all any of them is you get a what

574
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,240
is called personal property tax besides

575
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:29,680
the avalorum property tax. So the

576
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:35,200
personal property tax um such as uh well

577
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,960
a large ware million square foot

578
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,680
warehouse I think one of the recent ones

579
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,760
that have been uh that will be built

580
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:46,800
here is uh the personal property tax in

581
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,560
addition to that alarm but the personal

582
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:54,000
property tax yields the equivalent if you had to generate that

583
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,960
taxable sale from a retail facility that

584
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,119
retail facility would have to generate

585
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:02,720
over $77 million a year.

586
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:06,160
So there is an upside to warehousing. We

587
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,480
just need to recognize it. Yeah. But

588
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,520
what come what's the downside?

589
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,839
We get a lot of cut uh cross through

590
00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:16,960
traffic in the city of Hassa, Texas and

591
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,359
the large vehicles.

592
00:37:19,359 --> 00:37:20,880
That's the downside.

593
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,440
>> Okay. I had a question on um the Lata

594
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:24,960
water impact fee grant. So that's

595
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,480
completed and that will be removed next

596
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,160
year. I was looking back at last year's

597
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:38,230
budget with their buildout. So that's done.

598
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:39,599
» Okay, perfect.

599
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:42,560
>> And then also on

600
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,640
>> Okay, perfect. Um and then also on the

601
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,400
water impact fees and the sewer impact

602
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,440
fees, that's it's a pretty significant

603
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,560
um reduction. Is that just something

604
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,400
that

605
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,800
can Can you explain the the from the 4

606
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,440
368 512 368 490 now to 96?

607
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,160
>> I'll let Oh, sorry. I'll let the mayor

608
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,800
answer that. He's he's um looking at the

609
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,960
production schedule from the builders

610
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,320
and he may want to

611
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,480
>> that's just a prediction on what

612
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,640
>> so your question again is that why is it

613
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,000
reduced from 490,000 to 96,000

614
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,800
>> and then below with the 450 to 186

615
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,640
>> the for each residential lot there is a

616
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,599
set impact fee

617
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:33,280
>> and it's I think is a nominal nominal

618
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,880
$2,000 for water, nominal 2,000 for

619
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,119
sewer. Well, actually there's more

620
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:43,200
difference than that. It's almost twice.

621
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,599
It [clears throat] is almost twice. Uh I

622
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:47,520
>> almost twice done or almost twice the

623
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:47,920
amount.

624
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,520
>> The sewer impact fee is almost twice of

625
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,680
what the water impact is double.

626
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:54,160
>> Yes.

627
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,839
>> Okay. Okay. Double. Okay.

628
00:38:55,839 --> 00:38:58,000
>> So that's why you see that numerical

629
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,680
difference between the two. But that is

630
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,720
based on I believe a standard with 3/4

631
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:11,990
inch line on water. And

632
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,680
so with that we just take those numbers.

633
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,000
We take our projections which we get

634
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,880
from the developers

635
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,760
and multiply those number of expected

636
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,160
they call it takedown the number of

637
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,079
takedowns for the coming year.

638
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:32,320
and multiply it and how that's how that

639
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:33,760
number is generated.

640
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,560
>> Okay. Thank you,

641
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:37,359
>> Mr. Mayor.

642
00:39:37,359 --> 00:39:38,240
>> Yes.

643
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:40,079
>> Um, is there any way we could I know

644
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:43,119
this is not the place, but these bring

645
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:44,880
up the issues. Is there any way we could

646
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,160
have a workshop at some point where we

647
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,599
look out five years? Because we've had

648
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:55,839
this bell curve of

649
00:39:55,839 --> 00:39:58,000
development and we know that the number

650
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,599
of houses being built every year is

651
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:01,440
going down,

652
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,400
for example. And so our budget is going

653
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,000
to look very different in 5 years than

654
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,440
it does right now.

655
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,440
>> And I think if we're not preparing now

656
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,280
for then, it's going to be a really

657
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,359
harsh reality for when we get there. And

658
00:40:13,359 --> 00:40:15,200
I think it'd be very good for us as a

659
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:19,440
council um to create a soft landing

660
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,480
instead of a hard crash down the road.

661
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,400
Um so if there's any way we could put

662
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:25,920
together a workshop where we could

663
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,839
project out five years and and talk

664
00:40:27,839 --> 00:40:29,599
about, you know, what are the

665
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:30,880
possibilities, what do we need to

666
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,640
prepare for, what might could we

667
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,000
accomplish in the next 5 years? I think

668
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,200
that'd be very beneficial for the city

669
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:35,760
of Hlet.

670
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,240
>> We can do that. We will do that. Uh just

671
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:43,359
to answer your question, um 2627

672
00:40:43,359 --> 00:40:47,440
we uh expect approximately 80 something

673
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:53,520
homes to be built and the remainder 60

674
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,839
plus homes would be finished out in 2728

675
00:40:57,839 --> 00:41:00,240
and then it's done. Single family

676
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:03,520
residential construction is done. new

677
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:04,880
construction.

678
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:05,200
>> But

679
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,040
>> so 2728 at the end of that is when that

680
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,839
is expected to

681
00:41:11,839 --> 00:41:15,839
come. But the positive side of that is,

682
00:41:15,839 --> 00:41:21,280
you know, when a new home is built and

683
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,359
it gets occupied, it can take as much as

684
00:41:25,359 --> 00:41:29,599
two years before the city sees any

685
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:32,720
property tax revenue.

686
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:34,960
Depends on when it goes on the books at

687
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,359
the appraisal district.

688
00:41:37,359 --> 00:41:40,480
So it can take up to two years

689
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,280
but so uh for I'll say a nominal two

690
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,400
years after 2728

691
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,960
you'll see that additional property tax

692
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,240
revenue increase.

693
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:57,359
>> Is that including the land just north of

694
00:41:57,359 --> 00:41:58,960
Oldtown here that is also zoned

695
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,280
residential?

696
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,560
The number of houses you're saying are

697
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:03,760
left to be built.

698
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,440
>> No, I think it's only on those current

699
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:06,880
subdivisions. the the current

700
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:07,599
subdivision.

701
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:08,960
>> Okay. Because I know that piece of land

702
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,720
is zoned residential as well.

703
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:13,599
>> That that does not include that because

704
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:18,960
no developer or anyone in fact uh uh has

705
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,119
inquired to do anything there.

706
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:21,440
>> Thank you.

707
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,200
>> Are you talking about the land west of

708
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,319
BNSF?

709
00:42:24,319 --> 00:42:24,640
>> No,

710
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:25,839
>> just right here on this side of the

711
00:42:25,839 --> 00:42:27,280
tracks

712
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,359
>> just north of just north street

713
00:42:29,359 --> 00:42:31,680
>> and take a right. That field is res is

714
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,400
zoned residential. So to a few comments

715
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,480
to you and you as well, Chris, whe

716
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,480
whether he brings it or not, I I had

717
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:39,839
actually already spoke to Tanya about

718
00:42:39,839 --> 00:42:41,760
this part of the strategic plan. Most

719
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,560
cities have a five and a 10year budget.

720
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,560
So as we get into the strategic plan,

721
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,319
it's going to take them time to put

722
00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:50,319
together a five and 10ear financial

723
00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:52,560
plan. Um but that is something that I

724
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,240
intend to bring forward if we don't get

725
00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:56,079
started on it anyways because the city

726
00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:58,000
needs it. There's no way we can plan for

727
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,599
this infrastructure accurately with just

728
00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:03,280
this sheet. I mean, this is great, Mike.

729
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,200
I think you've done a fantastic job, but

730
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,640
we need to plug this in and kind of see

731
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,720
the projection of money and potential

732
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:12,560
tax rates when we need to go for a

733
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,560
significant tax increase or a bond. We

734
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,000
can't see that on this. Um, so

735
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,480
>> I would like to make a comment to that

736
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,200
as these capital projects and water and

737
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,880
sewer take into account all this

738
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,359
finished out residential. I I understand

739
00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:32,240
>> and the population and projected

740
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:34,400
businesses that would come in many

741
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:34,720
years.

742
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:37,280
>> I understand. But for residents and for

743
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,119
the council to fully understand what's

744
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:40,720
going to happen over the next five and

745
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:43,040
again 10 years, we need to see a full

746
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,359
budget projection, which most cities

747
00:43:45,359 --> 00:43:47,119
have. I did want to ask a question

748
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:48,960
though, going back to today's agenda.

749
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,440
The water impact fee, you said it was

750
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,240
2,000 per house being developed. Well,

751
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:56,000
and then you said that we're going to

752
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,240
build 80 houses this year. Well, your

753
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:00,480
projection shows only 48 houses

754
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,480
approximately paying that water impact

755
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:03,040
fee.

756
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,079
>> No, I said nominal. I I can pull up the,

757
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:08,240
you know, all the calculations that I

758
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:10,400
did [clears throat] and I'll furnish

759
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,160
that to you.

760
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,480
>> I'm just I'm just asking. So, is it not

761
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,000
$2,000?

762
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,160
>> I don't know the exact number.

763
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,280
>> Okay. I just want to make sure

764
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,200
>> I don't recall the exact number. I do

765
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,520
know what the number is and I I've used

766
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,400
it, but to recall the exact number

767
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:27,839
>> No, you're fine. didn't I'm just going

768
00:44:27,839 --> 00:44:28,640
off of what you said.

769
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,000
>> Nominal. Yes.

770
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,079
>> Okay.

771
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:33,359
If we can just double check those

772
00:44:33,359 --> 00:44:34,720
numbers because if we're building 80

773
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:37,040
houses this year

774
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,560
um and we haven't received the water

775
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,240
impact fees yet, I'm just a little

776
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:42,480
surprised at that significant decrease.

777
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,680
I would expect a decrease but that that

778
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,560
large I would see I would expect more of

779
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,119
a step down. Well, I I'll send all of

780
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:54,560
you that uh the water and sewer impact

781
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:55,599
fees

782
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:56,560
>> that have been applied.

783
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:57,839
>> Yeah, cuz Tanya Wait, question.

784
00:44:57,839 --> 00:44:59,520
>> I mean, sorry, not Tanya, Jasmine.

785
00:44:59,520 --> 00:44:59,760
>> Yeah.

786
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,680
cuz you're saying if

787
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,400
>> 162 down to 181, this number 490 should

788
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:05,920
be half, not a quarter.

789
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,359
>> That that is actually what I was about

790
00:45:07,359 --> 00:45:10,720
to say. If we did 162 last year at 490,

791
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:12,560
we're almost expecting it to drop in

792
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,160
half. Like you said, we should be at

793
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,079
about 245.

794
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:16,240
We

795
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:17,760
>> We'll check those numbers and I'll send

796
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,119
them to you.

797
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:21,839
Okay. And same with sewer impact.

798
00:45:21,839 --> 00:45:24,000
>> Yes, both both impacts.

799
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:39,829
>> Okay.

800
00:45:39,839 --> 00:45:44,309
» Any other questions?

801
00:45:44,319 --> 00:45:46,960
» Okay. The the next special revenue fund

802
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,880
is fund three um on page 229. This is

803
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,599
for type B

804
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:56,960
and um they have made quite a few

805
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,720
changes in their budget. They um

806
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:03,920
had a workshop and worked on this I

807
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,359
think for a couple of meetings. Um

808
00:46:07,359 --> 00:46:10,319
starting off with the revenues

809
00:46:10,319 --> 00:46:14,880
um their major revenue is um sales tax

810
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,440
and interest income.

811
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,160
Um on the transfers out as I mentioned

812
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,640
earlier they um transfer to fund a

813
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,920
portion of the debt there 35,000

814
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,400
on the transfer to the general fund.

815
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,870
They if you'll look on page

816
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,910
um

817
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,190
255.

818
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,400
Um they

819
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,280
they've transferred historically

820
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,520
um an amount that's 212 well partially

821
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:56,160
21290 which was part for um just

822
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,640
covering expenses of the general fund.

823
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,119
So, um,

824
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:02,960
>> you say 255

825
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,960
>> kind of like 233 25.

826
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,720
>> Well, it's two Yeah. I'm not sure why

827
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:08,240
there's two different numbers. I think

828
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:10,400
they must have put page numbers on what

829
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:11,040
they gave me.

830
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,240
>> I gota

831
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:14,880
>> um

832
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,240
but the count 03596100

833
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:19,839
0.

834
00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:23,440
So the um 21290

835
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,359
historically has been the um 68.90 that

836
00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:29,280
they transfer in to fund some of the

837
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,079
general fund expenditures and then the

838
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:36,319
EDC coordinator third of that. So they

839
00:47:36,319 --> 00:47:40,240
have added um reimbursing the city for a

840
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:44,880
portion of the um metroport chamber dues

841
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,839
and then they've also added um a third

842
00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:50,079
of the economic development director.

843
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:55,680
They're um I believe proposing to have u

844
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,440
rehire a director. So that's why that uh

845
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,359
transfer amount has gone up.

846
00:48:01,359 --> 00:48:04,000
>> May I ask a quick question, Mr. Mayor?

847
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,720
Yes. Um, so since EDC has the 13,200

848
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:10,480
right here for the Metropport Chamber

849
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,440
fees, can we already mark that out on

850
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,920
our general budget or No,

851
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,000
>> we we have to have it budgeted as

852
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,760
expenditure and then we'll budget it as

853
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,440
a transfer. It'll it'll wash.

854
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:22,079
>> It'll wash.

855
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:22,400
>> Yeah.

856
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:23,520
>> Okay. Thank you.

857
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:24,720
>> Yes.

858
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:27,280
>> Who is I'm sorry, Mayor.

859
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:28,160
>> Yes, ma'am.

860
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:32,000
>> Um, Marcy, who is their coordinator?

861
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,480
>> That's Morris Swanky. Oh, okay. So, that

862
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,119
that's that one. Is there a way we can

863
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:38,880
add also a note there like we did on the

864
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,960
other line saying that that's with that agreement with that company? I just

865
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,200
think it's more clear than saying

866
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,520
>> we've hired someone in the city. And

867
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,839
then for the economic development

868
00:48:49,839 --> 00:48:52,640
director, is this one-third brought up

869
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,240
to match what we

870
00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:59,760
>> that I have? No. uh because the number

871
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,119
that we budgeted we didn't we didn't

872
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:04,960
specify what was salary what was

873
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,960
expenditures we just budgeted a total

874
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,319
amount

875
00:49:08,319 --> 00:49:10,800
>> I also would point out that type A has

876
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:15,119
not made the same budget um

877
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:18,000
for a third so there'll be some things

878
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,559
to work out if they decide to add that

879
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:21,680
position

880
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,559
>> okay so if yeah so if and I think we all

881
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:26,319
said we wanting to so what do we need to

882
00:49:26,319 --> 00:49:28,000
iron out to make sure that the funs are

883
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,240
there to hire this position?

884
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:30,960
>> Um,

885
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,480
>> we can't put it in their budget or

886
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:33,760
change their amount in their budget, can

887
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:34,319
we?

888
00:49:34,319 --> 00:49:34,960
>> No,

889
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,000
>> we can only remove

890
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,760
>> B can change their budget.

891
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,520
>> We can only remove if we don't agree.

892
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,440
>> They they can propose an amendment and

893
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:41,920
then

894
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:42,880
>> and you approve it.

895
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:43,839
>> And then you approve it.

896
00:49:43,839 --> 00:49:45,680
>> Just approve the amendment.

897
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,040
>> Okay. So, council, how do you guys want

898
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:47,760
to approach that?

899
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,520
>> And same thing with A.

900
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:50,079
>> You what?

901
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:52,400
>> Same thing with A as well. Do we think A

902
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:52,800
is

903
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,760
>> A would need I mean if if the assumption

904
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,920
is that A is going to pay a third they

905
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,000
have not made the same budget.

906
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,520
>> Yeah. Theirs is a lot lower. It's

907
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:02,559
14,000.

908
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:03,280
>> Yeah.

909
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,119
>> The 14,000 is for Shrinky.

910
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:06,400
>> Yeah. The 14,000

911
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,720
>> we have to do a 51,000 for the EDC

912
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:09,839
coordinator which is a different

913
00:50:09,839 --> 00:50:10,240
position.

914
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:12,160
>> Can you remind me what we put in on RN

915
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:13,119
core?

916
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:16,480
>> I think we put in um

917
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,520
125,000. Hang on one second.

918
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,920
>> 125,000 total. So we we do need to I

919
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,839
think specify and break that apart, but

920
00:50:23,839 --> 00:50:26,720
it looks like since we don't have type A

921
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:29,040
agreeing, I almost think we we either

922
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,920
need to plan to split with B or

923
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,040
something because if not, we're not

924
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:34,240
going to have this set up right to hire

925
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:34,960
the position.

926
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,400
>> Yeah, splitting would be a good idea to

927
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,640
start and then going to A and see if

928
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,359
what they would be willing to

929
00:50:41,359 --> 00:50:42,319
>> contribute.

930
00:50:42,319 --> 00:50:43,920
>> I think the hard thing with A is they

931
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,160
meet very they don't meet very frequent.

932
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,480
I mean like they're like every quarter

933
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,720
and then you know us and

934
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:53,040
>> uh type B meet every month and then when

935
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,880
they only meet every quarter I mean I

936
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,079
don't know when's their next meeting is.

937
00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:57,680
So it's kind of like you know I know

938
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:58,880
they did probably did their budget a

939
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,160
good while back because their meetings

940
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,119
are so

941
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:03,119
>> spread out. So that's something we need

942
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:05,520
to talk with them about or either split

943
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,760
it 7575 with um or whatever the number

944
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,200
is um with me.

945
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,680
>> I'm going back I'm sorry. What page is

946
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,800
the What page did we put the economic

947
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,440
development? Where was it?

948
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,440
>> We created a new department.

949
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:22,160
>> Oh, yes. I see.

950
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,680
>> And so I've added it onto the general

951
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,760
fund summary. You should have

952
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,079
>> a summary on your

953
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:31,440
>> Do you remember how much we said we

954
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,880
wanted to pay him versus his or per them

955
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,440
versus their budget? I don't I just

956
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,680
remember we talked about a salary and

957
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,839
some startup expenses, but I didn't have

958
00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:42,880
in my notes.

959
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:44,559
>> I think we we

960
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:46,160
>> I didn't either. I'm looking at my

961
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,280
notes. Um

962
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:50,480
>> and I don't either.

963
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:55,280
>> I have 82 or 85,000 that was thinking it

964
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,880
was being split though and 42,000

965
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,359
for I don't know. We We need to fix this

966
00:52:01,359 --> 00:52:02,720
real quick because this is going to end

967
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:04,559
up causing a problem for us.

968
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:10,400
>> Excuse me. So you're looking at type B right now. Yes.

969
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:11,359
Your budget

970
00:52:11,359 --> 00:52:14,400
>> and versus how it speaks to ours what

971
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,160
they have versus what we have in the

972
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,240
fact that type A did not contribute. So

973
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:19,760
this is a problem in the budget across

974
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:20,880
three different places.

975
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,319
>> The uh so it's typically it always has

976
00:52:24,319 --> 00:52:26,960
been a third of it from each.

977
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,559
>> I understand but we don't have

978
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:30,559
concurrence from A that they would do

979
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:32,400
that. So that means we have to plan as

980
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,640
if A is not going to agree otherwise we

981
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:35,920
wouldn't have the funds to make this

982
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,520
position possible this year.

983
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,960
>> So uh on I think you mentioned earlier

984
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:46,319
to put in B's budget to make it explicit

985
00:52:46,319 --> 00:52:48,079
this coordinator is

986
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:50,160
>> Bureitos.

987
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,240
>> I would not do that. In fact you can't

988
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:54,400
do that to their budget. They had to

989
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,040
make that change. We can make it make a

990
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:58,960
note and make a suggestion

991
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,640
>> but if you put a company specific in

992
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,040
that budget line item. Guess what? You

993
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,920
can only spend it. It is not set in

994
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,920
stone that it's going to always be

995
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,920
bureau veritos.

996
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:12,400
>> Marcy,

997
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,680
>> so it is a CD uh an economic development

998
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:16,960
coordinator.

999
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,000
>> Marcy, for the description, how can we

1000
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,240
clarify that better?

1001
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:25,599
>> Um well, so I have a question. If

1002
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:28,000
they're going to hire their own, they

1003
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,880
may not need this 144

1004
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,710
Are they hiring there?

1005
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:36,960
» It would be for the city, but again, it

1006
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,200
would be the split.

1007
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:40,880
>> My understanding is that since

1008
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,400
Veraritoss is more of a planning

1009
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:43,839
organization than a development

1010
00:53:43,839 --> 00:53:45,119
organization,

1011
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:47,599
>> the 144 is staying in there to keep the

1012
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:48,800
planner part.

1013
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:49,119
>> Okay.

1014
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:51,280
>> And they're hiring we're hiring a new

1015
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:52,880
position for economic development

1016
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,319
coordinator that is only going to focus

1017
00:53:54,319 --> 00:53:55,520
on

1018
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,839
>> de like building the business community

1019
00:53:57,839 --> 00:54:01,599
in town. and it's going to be a a city

1020
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:02,480
staff person.

1021
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:02,800
>> Okay.

1022
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,240
>> So, that's why there needed to be two

1023
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:04,720
lines.

1024
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:06,319
>> It their line just needs to match our

1025
00:54:06,319 --> 00:54:07,520
line because they're paying a third of

1026
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,440
it. So, whatever description we updated

1027
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,760
to, it should correlate to speak to the

1028
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,280
residents. That's not us directing them.

1029
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,387
I I can't remember what we decided

1030
00:54:15,387 --> 00:54:16,640
[clears throat] the terminology was at

1031
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,640
the last meeting, but we we said to

1032
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,720
update the description, and if they're

1033
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:22,240
matching that third, why would the

1034
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:25,119
description not be able to match?

1035
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:27,920
Um, well, I think what he's saying is it

1036
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,559
can match to say EDC coordinator, but it

1037
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:32,079
wouldn't necessarily match.

1038
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:33,920
>> Could we just state bureau verat

1039
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,680
contract with city or it doesn't have to

1040
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,200
even say the company, but we need to

1041
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,359
specify a little bit more because this

1042
00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:40,880
looks like we could be hiring someone

1043
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,640
for this city

1044
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:43,520
>> in my opinion.

1045
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,280
>> I would have put the word contract,

1046
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,280
>> EDC coordinator, one-third contract,

1047
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,440
something like that.

1048
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,200
>> It just cleans it up.

1049
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,359
>> Okay. I know the may I know the mayor

1050
00:54:53,359 --> 00:54:55,520
said a while ago that typically it's

1051
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,040
always been it's third and a third and

1052
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,359
third between A and B and council or A

1053
00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:00,800
and B and the city.

1054
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,760
>> Um but I don't know does A know even

1055
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,760
know about this that we're wanting to do

1056
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:06,720
this or not?

1057
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:10,079
>> No. Oh well the third third has always

1058
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:10,880
been done that way.

1059
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,640
>> Well but does this does type A know

1060
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,720
about this economic developer? Because

1061
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:15,920
if they did they would have probably put

1062
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,280
on their budget. So that makes me think

1063
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,520
they didn't know about it.

1064
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:20,800
I believe they passed their budget

1065
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:21,520
before this.

1066
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,040
>> Very well. So,

1067
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,760
>> but the other aspect in looking at this

1068
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,599
is okay, we do a third, a third, a third

1069
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:39,510
and I observe that uh type B consumes probably

1070
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,520
80%

1071
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,079
of that manpower

1072
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:47,680
and everybody else is. So to look at B a

1073
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,480
separate corporation

1074
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,680
to ask them to pay

1075
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,240
the same amount B should be paying a

1076
00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:58,640
higher percentage of that use.

1077
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,119
>> Okay. I I disagree because this is for

1078
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:03,200
the benefit of the entire city and also

1079
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,400
we don't want it to where they're

1080
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,640
working for type B. They should be

1081
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:09,920
working for the whole city. My

1082
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:11,599
suggestion would be since we don't have

1083
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:14,880
type A on board, take what uh type B did

1084
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,040
because that says 1/3, times it by two,

1085
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,240
we'll cover 2/3 salary and benefit under

1086
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:22,319
our line item for this year and then

1087
00:56:22,319 --> 00:56:24,160
give them a small budget to get them

1088
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:25,760
going while we get them hired and on

1089
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,119
board. That would be my suggestion. And

1090
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:27,920
if next year

1091
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,960
>> Yeah, I agree. Which is 10334

1092
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,559
is double. But then so that would go

1093
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:34,400
into our general fund where it says

1094
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,400
economic development and change from the

1095
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:37,119
125.

1096
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:38,640
>> Yes. Yes. And then we do a separate line

1097
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,240
item for budget. What was that number?

1098
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:40,880
103

1099
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,960
>> 103 334.

1100
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,200
>> 10334.

1101
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,520
>> Okay. What are you changing? What page?

1102
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,200
>> Um, so it's I'll have to find the page

1103
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,319
again. So on the type B, we're not

1104
00:56:54,319 --> 00:56:56,240
changing anything besides updating EDC

1105
00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:58,640
coordinator to say

1106
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,400
um contract. But if you go to page 32,

1107
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,880
well, no, we you created a whole new

1108
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,559
>> Yeah. So it would be the new general

1109
00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:06,960
budget.

1110
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,280
>> Yeah, it' be the new general.

1111
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:10,559
>> Would you do it below? It says economic

1112
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:11,599
development. Would you just add it to

1113
00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:13,839
the 125 or do you want it like called

1114
00:57:13,839 --> 00:57:15,280
out something different?

1115
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:16,000
>> We need to call

1116
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,240
>> if you want to break it out. Yeah.

1117
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,040
Because if it's part of it's going to be

1118
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,839
salary and benefits and then

1119
00:57:23,839 --> 00:57:26,480
>> we'll put out their Medicare and all the

1120
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,559
things. So I guess under the economic

1121
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:30,640
development and expenditures on the

1122
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:34,400
general fund, we'd add an additional

1123
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,520
>> we'd do line item 10334 for salary and

1124
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:38,960
benefits and then we need to talk about

1125
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,480
a budget and that would

1126
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,160
>> I don't think we break it out anymore

1127
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,599
because we need to wait till they get in

1128
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:44,880
here and tell us what they need. We

1129
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:45,839
don't want to

1130
00:57:45,839 --> 00:57:47,760
>> So do you not want to keep the 125 as

1131
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,520
the budget already set? No, I would

1132
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,839
change it to the 103334 and then do a

1133
00:57:51,839 --> 00:57:53,760
separate line item of budget.

1134
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:54,079
>> Okay.

1135
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:56,240
>> Which the question is you're going to

1136
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:57,680
about six months to make sure you find

1137
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,599
the right person

1138
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:02,079
in the speed of city. So, how much of a

1139
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:04,000
budget do you think they need for 6

1140
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,680
months as they're getting in here? I

1141
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:07,040
would say maybe 50,000.

1142
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:08,720
>> I say 50. I think 50 is fair.

1143
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,480
>> It's not 50.

1144
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,640
>> What page are you making this change on?

1145
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,240
We're looking at the the general budget

1146
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:15,760
updated sheet that

1147
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,760
>> I can't call out by page because that we

1148
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,480
created a new

1149
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,359
>> Yeah, I believe it was an admin before.

1150
00:58:23,359 --> 00:58:25,839
>> Yeah, it was it was on page 30. I was

1151
00:58:25,839 --> 00:58:28,559
just on I'm sorry,

1152
00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:32,480
>> but we It was on page 32 before

1153
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:33,280
>> 32.

1154
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,839
>> It was, but she's creating a new

1155
00:58:35,839 --> 00:58:37,599
department or however you want to.

1156
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:39,040
>> Yeah.

1157
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:40,480
>> Jazz, where are you getting the 50,000?

1158
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,079
Because if we're given if that they're

1159
00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:44,160
budgeting 50 and then we're judging 100.

1160
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:44,480
So

1161
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,480
>> So if you if you look at their words,

1162
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,079
yeah, if you look at their words for it

1163
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:50,000
says for salaries and benefits, they did

1164
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,480
not say anything about covering their

1165
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,480
expenses. So that's something we can

1166
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,160
also bring to type B. I think next year

1167
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,559
we get ahead of the budget and pre talk

1168
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:00,319
to both of these boards about truly

1169
00:59:00,319 --> 00:59:02,160
covering because the expenses will be a

1170
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,400
lot more the following year as this

1171
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,000
person gets hired on and has a plan for

1172
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,480
the city. But I think 50,000 should be

1173
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,079
enough for them to get in here, learn

1174
00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:12,640
the city, do what they need to do, and

1175
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,720
if not, we can amend if there's an

1176
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,000
emergent need.

1177
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,119
>> Well, maybe we can start doing the

1178
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:19,119
budget stuff like in June and start

1179
00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:20,400
>> that's how it should be.

1180
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,240
>> So, are you wanting me to show salary

1181
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,960
and benefits 51667?

1182
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:26,559
>> No, it should be double because we're

1183
00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:28,240
going to cover 2/3 since we don't have

1184
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,559
type A um on board.

1185
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:33,200
>> So, that would be 103334.

1186
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:33,920
Correct, Tanya?

1187
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,119
>> Correct. And then a $50,000

1188
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:39,520
budget for

1189
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:40,319
>> expenses.

1190
00:59:40,319 --> 00:59:42,960
not personal, for city

1191
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:43,520
expenses.

1192
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,000
>> Okay. So that's about 25,000 over what

1193
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:50,160
we already have. Okay.

1194
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:50,720
>> Okay.

1195
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,359
>> I think we had thought type A was going

1196
00:59:53,359 --> 00:59:56,000
to be in here, but since it's not kind

1197
00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:03,990
of puts a pickle in it.

1198
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:08,960
Okay. Um, moving on from

1199
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,000
that line, I think the other biggest

1200
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,440
change to their budget

1201
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:16,960
um

1202
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,160
is them anticipating some special

1203
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:24,069
projects.

1204
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:28,720
um they pretty much kept their um

1205
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,160
operations and maintenance and and um

1206
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,960
professional services about the same.

1207
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,319
But if you look on page 230,

1208
01:00:38,319 --> 01:00:43,510
they have put in 2,330,000

1209
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:47,440
for future projects.

1210
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:51,829
>> Yeah. Page 230.

1211
01:00:51,839 --> 01:00:55,750
spells it out.

1212
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,119
» Yeah. Yeah.

1213
01:00:57,119 --> 01:01:05,349
>> Page 261 breaks it out.

1214
01:01:05,359 --> 01:01:08,640
Mayor

1215
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:09,280
>> Yes, ma'am.

1216
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,280
>> May I start conversation about this?

1217
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:11,760
>> Pardon?

1218
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,599
>> Can I start talking about this?

1219
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:14,400
>> Sure.

1220
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:19,839
>> Okay. So, I have a question for the

1221
01:01:19,839 --> 01:01:22,720
1 million. Oh, wait. Where did it go? It

1222
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:26,549
changed it.

1223
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:27,200
So,

1224
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,359
>> oh, the 1 million east of 156 south of

1225
01:01:29,359 --> 01:01:32,480
Hlet Parkways.

1226
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,240
I have no problem with a park on that

1227
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,640
side of town. That's where I live. I do

1228
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,079
have a problem with us putting a budget

1229
01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:40,319
forth for something that we don't even

1230
01:01:40,319 --> 01:01:42,240
know where it's going to go. We don't

1231
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:43,520
even have a plan in mind and we're

1232
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:44,880
saying we're going to spend a million on

1233
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,720
it next year. Um,

1234
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:50,240
also I have questions about the process.

1235
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:51,359
If you guys don't have problems with

1236
01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:53,040
that, then I just have a questions about

1237
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,119
the process. I just think we're supposed

1238
01:01:55,119 --> 01:01:56,480
to be budgeting what we're going to

1239
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:01,280
spend. If we don't even have land,

1240
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:02,559
I definitely have questions.

1241
01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:04,880
>> What's the east of 156 south of Where is

1242
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,319
that? You said you they're just calling

1243
01:02:06,319 --> 01:02:07,920
for a park somewhere on that side of

1244
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:08,319
town.

1245
01:02:08,319 --> 01:02:09,920
>> That's what they're saying. They want

1246
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,240
this is this is to appease Sweetg Grass

1247
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:13,599
and a little bit of Careway because they

1248
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:15,920
were promised a park

1249
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,119
>> and a lot of the money that they

1250
01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:20,720
um contributed when they built their

1251
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,839
house went to the park funds. And I I

1252
01:02:23,839 --> 01:02:26,720
think part of it they were promised by

1253
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:28,160
the developers a park on that side of

1254
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:29,920
the town. But I also think we need to

1255
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,319
clear up the verbiage here that the park

1256
01:02:32,319 --> 01:02:36,468
funds provided from those houses, it

1257
01:02:36,468 --> 01:02:37,520
[snorts] was for all of the city of

1258
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,200
Hasslet. It never anywhere stipulated

1259
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:40,799
that it had to go to Careway or Sweet

1260
01:02:40,799 --> 01:02:43,760
Grass. Um, which isn't really fair to

1261
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:44,960
all those that were lied to. I was one

1262
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,760
of the people that were lied to. Um, I

1263
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,480
would love a park over there.

1264
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,720
I just have a problem with a general

1265
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:54,480
statement. I guess

1266
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:55,119
>> I think

1267
01:02:55,119 --> 01:02:58,079
>> I would like to interject here. It is in

1268
01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:01,040
our ordinance that those park fund fees

1269
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,599
that each home site pays

1270
01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:05,280
>> goes to the general fund.

1271
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:06,960
>> Yeah. Yes. That's what that's what I'm

1272
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,280
saying. You said we need to clarify the

1273
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:10,960
language. The ordinance does clarify

1274
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:11,280
that.

1275
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,760
>> I know. But for people that don't know

1276
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:15,039
all the ordinances, they don't

1277
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:16,640
understand. They think we paid for a

1278
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:20,000
park. We should be getting a park. And I agree when

1279
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,720
>> the developer speaks a lot on our behalf

1280
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,480
that we don't agree with.

1281
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,160
>> Yes. But I'm just saying since we're

1282
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:27,599
speaking on it right now, I think it's

1283
01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:29,359
important that we clarify the city has

1284
01:03:29,359 --> 01:03:31,599
not done anything wrong by spending the

1285
01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:34,799
money on the the main park in the city.

1286
01:03:34,799 --> 01:03:37,200
But you can understand residents

1287
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:38,880
frustration that they're the main

1288
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:40,319
contributors and it's hard for them to

1289
01:03:40,319 --> 01:03:44,160
access. That said, a general statement

1290
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,960
for a park where no land is identified.

1291
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,520
I I have concerns and questions.

1292
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,559
>> I would like to make this. Okay. Uh

1293
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:55,599
you're discussing Ty's budget.

1294
01:03:55,599 --> 01:03:56,559
>> Okay.

1295
01:03:56,559 --> 01:03:58,559
>> Well, their future projects specifically

1296
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:01,359
>> their future projects. Well, this is

1297
01:04:01,359 --> 01:04:02,880
their budget. They're a separate

1298
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,799
corporation. Yes.

1299
01:04:04,799 --> 01:04:07,200
>> And we're just in the enabling entity.

1300
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,880
That's what the city is. U now they have

1301
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,119
these funds in here. They can't spend

1302
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:15,119
any of this money until they turn that

1303
01:04:15,119 --> 01:04:17,359
into a project, have a resolution, and

1304
01:04:17,359 --> 01:04:19,599
it goes before the city council for

1305
01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:21,119
approval.

1306
01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:23,680
>> These are just numbers. So that was that

1307
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,119
was what I said at the beginning by

1308
01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:27,280
understanding the process because I

1309
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,280
understood that for the park that we're

1310
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,079
working on um right now where there was

1311
01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:33,599
back and forth if they had the funds

1312
01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:35,359
available my understanding is that they

1313
01:04:35,359 --> 01:04:36,960
wouldn't have to come back to city

1314
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,200
council. Is that different? So that's

1315
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:40,799
that is a question I had.

1316
01:04:40,799 --> 01:04:42,640
>> Excuse me. Say the park

1317
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,520
>> the park that the park the playground

1318
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:46,720
>> yeah because my understanding is if

1319
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:48,160
they'd come in under budget they

1320
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:49,680
wouldn't have had to come back to

1321
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:51,119
council. So, how is that different with

1322
01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:53,039
a new So, if we gave them a million

1323
01:04:53,039 --> 01:04:55,119
dollars and they went out and got a bid

1324
01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:58,000
and all that, do they have to come back

1325
01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:59,520
before city council for approval? That

1326
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:00,319
was what I was

1327
01:05:00,319 --> 01:05:02,240
>> Yes. Correct. Yes. With the resolution

1328
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,039
>> to spend the remainder of the money

1329
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:07,760
>> to So, say the park came in at 800,000.

1330
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:08,079
Yes.

1331
01:05:08,079 --> 01:05:09,520
>> Can they just go do it or do they have

1332
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,920
to come back to city council?

1333
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:13,760
>> We would have had to approve that they

1334
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,640
could spend up to a million prior

1335
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:17,839
today. They were just saying, "Okay,

1336
01:05:17,839 --> 01:05:19,599
we'll let them budget this amount." And

1337
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:22,160
then once they find the project, fund

1338
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,640
it, then they'll come to us and say,

1339
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,359
>> um, we want to use 900,000 for this

1340
01:05:27,359 --> 01:05:29,039
project resolution. What do you think?

1341
01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:30,480
And we'll say yes or no.

1342
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:32,160
>> So, they will have to come before us,

1343
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:35,359
correct, with the location and what

1344
01:05:35,359 --> 01:05:37,359
their resolution, all the details,

1345
01:05:37,359 --> 01:05:39,839
>> and adopt it, formally adopt it. They

1346
01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:42,559
adopt it formally as a project and

1347
01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:44,559
submit it to the city council for

1348
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:46,559
approval. This is just Mayor May I be

1349
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:47,119
recognized?

1350
01:05:47,119 --> 01:05:50,160
>> It be a project definition and the

1351
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:50,640
amount.

1352
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:50,960
>> Okay.

1353
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:54,789
>> Mayor, may I be recognized?

1354
01:05:54,799 --> 01:05:56,000
» May I be recognized?

1355
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:56,799
>> Say that again.

1356
01:05:56,799 --> 01:05:58,960
>> May I be recognized, sir?

1357
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,960
>> Yes. Uh EDCB's intent this year, as has

1358
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,200
been uh conveyed a couple of times, but

1359
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:09,520
EDCB's con intent this year is to by

1360
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,359
budgeting these listing these projects

1361
01:06:11,359 --> 01:06:13,680
out in its budget uh in accordance with

1362
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,839
state law that if that is budgeted and

1363
01:06:15,839 --> 01:06:20,400
that uh these projects get approved that and the mayor is correct, there

1364
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,720
would be resolution, there would be uh

1365
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:24,799
public hearings, but that that would

1366
01:06:24,799 --> 01:06:27,119
basically start the 60-day process as

1367
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:30,960
opposed to them going throughout the year with this project,

1368
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:32,960
that project. It is it does not mean

1369
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,119
that the listing right here is the

1370
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:37,119
extent of that project. Um there those

1371
01:06:37,119 --> 01:06:38,720
projects would still be spelled out, but

1372
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:40,960
the intent is that that would be

1373
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:42,799
happening basically on the front end of

1374
01:06:42,799 --> 01:06:44,480
their budget as opposed to through

1375
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,480
throughout the year project by project.

1376
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:50,480
>> This well I uh that's not correct. That

1377
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,720
60-day process starts after the

1378
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,039
resolution and the adoption of the

1379
01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:58,000
project. And the matter being he gives

1380
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,799
the public time to come back and

1381
01:07:00,799 --> 01:07:02,400
respond.

1382
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,640
>> Now this they can't spend any of this

1383
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,680
money. This is not project approval.

1384
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:09,200
>> And I did not state that this was

1385
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,839
project approval, sir. But this process

1386
01:07:11,839 --> 01:07:13,680
has been laid out by their attorney as

1387
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,480
well. Um that they can through the

1388
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,559
budgeting process that they can start

1389
01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:20,480
this process. does not mean that just it

1390
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:23,920
being on this sheet is uh intended as

1391
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:24,400
that

1392
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:26,079
>> of that attorney's analysis.

1393
01:07:26,079 --> 01:07:28,079
>> I'll be happy to speak with the EDC

1394
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:29,520
president and and to get you that

1395
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:30,559
attorney's analysis.

1396
01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:31,440
>> Get that.

1397
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:32,480
>> Yes, sir.

1398
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:33,920
>> Okay. If that's the case, if we still

1399
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,400
get kind of them coming to us, then I I

1400
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,119
don't care. It's their their budget. Um

1401
01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:39,520
anybody

1402
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:41,839
>> Okay. I had I want to just add that

1403
01:07:41,839 --> 01:07:43,520
since there's two things on here that

1404
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:45,280
are well three I guess that are park

1405
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:46,880
related like the smart lockers and the

1406
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:50,240
adult changing table that we still I'm

1407
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,079
okay approving this but but it still

1408
01:07:52,079 --> 01:07:54,000
needs to at some point go through the

1409
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,799
process of the parks board to make sure

1410
01:07:56,799 --> 01:07:58,160
>> that they're good with the smart

1411
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,720
location uh or smart locker location or

1412
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:01,920
they're good with the adult changing

1413
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:05,760
table implementation that we're not um

1414
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,720
circumventing that board's impact on

1415
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:10,480
these on these projects. as well.

1416
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:11,920
>> We did put it in writing that it's

1417
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,480
required to go to them. So,

1418
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:19,120
um any I guess one final question I had

1419
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,440
or not even question more I'm hoping

1420
01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:23,040
council will agree. I see on here that

1421
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,319
they want to travel to ICSC cornet or

1422
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:27,920
something like that. They put 10,000

1423
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,560
travel expenses and I think that's great

1424
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,960
that they go. I think as a city we're

1425
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:34,960
not ready to represent ourselves yet. I

1426
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:36,480
think we need to get that econom e

1427
01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:38,880
economic development manager or director

1428
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:42,480
on before we are doing our own booth.

1429
01:08:42,480 --> 01:08:44,400
And if that makes sense, I think they

1430
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:46,080
should go and learn this year. I think

1431
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:47,759
that'd be great, but I think we need to

1432
01:08:47,759 --> 01:08:49,279
get our stuff together a little bit more

1433
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:51,279
before we start selling ourselves.

1434
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:52,799
>> Do you read this as they're going to

1435
01:08:52,799 --> 01:08:55,199
actually participate or just go and

1436
01:08:55,199 --> 01:08:56,560
>> I am attend?

1437
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:58,319
>> I'm not sure. and I spoke to them and I

1438
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:00,319
don't think they're sure yet either, but

1439
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:03,839
I I think it's really important and when you look into it cuz I did do some

1440
01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:06,400
research, it's very important that we're

1441
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:07,920
presenting ourselves correctly the first

1442
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,080
time and we have someone experienced in

1443
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,319
presenting the city. Um, not necessarily

1444
01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:13,679
the volunteers of the city, even though

1445
01:09:13,679 --> 01:09:15,440
I think what they're doing is great, we

1446
01:09:15,440 --> 01:09:17,839
just need to make sure we're doing it

1447
01:09:17,839 --> 01:09:19,520
right the first time.

1448
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,279
>> So, how would we clarify that on

1449
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:23,199
>> I think going to learn is a great idea.

1450
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:23,520
>> Yeah,

1451
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:24,719
>> that that's what I think this year

1452
01:09:24,719 --> 01:09:26,400
should be. And I I really hope that the

1453
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:28,159
economic development manager is hired by

1454
01:09:28,159 --> 01:09:28,719
then. But

1455
01:09:28,719 --> 01:09:30,080
>> could the Could this Well, no, we can't

1456
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:31,600
change this. I'm just saying could it

1457
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,319
say attending and not participating? I

1458
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:34,719
don't [clears throat] know if

1459
01:09:34,719 --> 01:09:36,480
>> I think that's just a conversation with

1460
01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:37,199
a conversation.

1461
01:09:37,199 --> 01:09:38,560
>> I think it's a conversation. I just

1462
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:40,880
wanted to see if you guys agreed.

1463
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,120
>> Where does it

1464
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:44,480
>> It just says traveling to

1465
01:09:44,480 --> 01:09:46,159
>> 238

1466
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:47,920
260

1467
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,560
>> on your binder top left corner.

1468
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:51,759
>> He's asking where it says participate.

1469
01:09:51,759 --> 01:09:53,440
It doesn't say that. So Joe, could you

1470
01:09:53,440 --> 01:09:56,480
just make sure that the HC EDC type B

1471
01:09:56,480 --> 01:09:59,120
understands that from council? We don't

1472
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:00,880
want them setting up a booth and

1473
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,040
presenting, but more going to learn if

1474
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:04,080
that's what they're doing this year

1475
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:05,840
while we get that economic development

1476
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:06,560
director

1477
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:08,719
>> in place

1478
01:10:08,719 --> 01:10:10,719
>> because that happens in Januaryish that

1479
01:10:10,719 --> 01:10:13,679
convention. Do you know?

1480
01:10:13,679 --> 01:10:15,520
I believe it's later in the year, but

1481
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,120
the the main one they do different

1482
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:19,440
things, but I believe the main one's uh

1483
01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:19,920
>> I think it's

1484
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:21,679
>> later in the year because I believe this

1485
01:10:21,679 --> 01:10:23,120
the one for this year I believe just

1486
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:24,560
passed two or three months ago.

1487
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:25,120
>> Yes, May.

1488
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:25,600
>> Thank you.

1489
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:26,719
>> It took place in May.

1490
01:10:26,719 --> 01:10:27,040
>> So,

1491
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:30,000
>> yeah.

1492
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,840
>> Watch it.

1493
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:33,760
Mr. Mayor,

1494
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:35,360
>> since we're done with that discussion,

1495
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:36,880
um I don't know if it's appropriate or

1496
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,120
not, but is there any way we could have

1497
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:40,719
uh Mike Anderson go ahead and do his

1498
01:10:40,719 --> 01:10:42,480
piece because he's paid by the hour by

1499
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:45,199
the city and he's already sat here for

1500
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:47,520
an hour and a half.

1501
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,760
>> Understood. Uh Marcy is in the middle of

1502
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,640
her presentation. Let her close, let her

1503
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:54,719
finish this out. It should not take a

1504
01:10:54,719 --> 01:10:56,800
long time, but understand it's all

1505
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:58,800
dependent upon the discussion that you

1506
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,120
have. So, I need to understand, are you

1507
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:04,000
disapproving the EDC type B budget right

1508
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:04,159
now?

1509
01:11:04,159 --> 01:11:07,040
>> No, we're approving it as it's stated.

1510
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:08,480
Joe's just going to provide additional

1511
01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:10,400
clarification and we're just cleaning up

1512
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:14,560
the verbiage for one line. Marcy,

1513
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,560
>> they cleaned up verbiage on the line and

1514
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,400
then they made a change in the general

1515
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:20,719
fund, but they did not make any changes

1516
01:11:20,719 --> 01:11:24,080
to type B other than description.

1517
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:25,600
>> I did have one other question on type B

1518
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:27,920
on page 241. And it says park

1519
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,040
bench/cannopy 2025 and I had I don't

1520
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:33,600
know why but I had written down 6463. Is

1521
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:35,600
that completed? Is that there's nothing

1522
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,159
budgeted. I was just

1523
01:11:38,159 --> 01:11:39,920
h it's completed.

1524
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,640
>> Yeah, it shows that it is expended 2425

1525
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:44,159
5,863.

1526
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:46,239
>> Oh, then it says above it 5863. Right.

1527
01:11:46,239 --> 01:11:48,159
So I'm not but nothing's in the actual

1528
01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:50,560
um columns.

1529
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:51,760
>> I think it's done.

1530
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:52,320
>> It's done.

1531
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:53,280
>> Finished.

1532
01:11:53,280 --> 01:12:00,229
>> Complete. Thank you.

1533
01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:03,120
Okay. The ne the next one is type A. T

1534
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,520
type A really made no significant

1535
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:11,990
changes to their budget. Um

1536
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:16,400
I don't know that um

1537
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:17,040
>> can I unless

1538
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:19,920
>> you have some question oh sorry mayor.

1539
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:20,400
>> Yes ma'am.

1540
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,560
>> What what is the intent and purpose of

1541
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,679
our taipe? And I'm asking this because

1542
01:12:25,679 --> 01:12:27,360
we're going over the budget. So I just

1543
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:28,719
need to understand because they don't

1544
01:12:28,719 --> 01:12:30,640
meet very frequently. I feel like we

1545
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,159
have a pretty decent amount of money

1546
01:12:32,159 --> 01:12:34,000
just sitting there.

1547
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,960
>> Uh then I I'll give you that.

1548
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,199
>> Uh

1549
01:12:39,199 --> 01:12:42,800
type A was uh established purely for

1550
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,600
industrial type projects. State law

1551
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:49,555
established it that way. And

1552
01:12:49,555 --> 01:12:52,000
[clears throat] uh type B was

1553
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,080
established. It could do industrial

1554
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,360
projects, but it's uh it was established

1555
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:05,600
by uh legislators so that economic development corporation

1556
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,719
could expend funds on the city itself.

1557
01:13:08,719 --> 01:13:11,760
They recognized, oh, if they could if

1558
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,000
the they had an economic development

1559
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:17,679
corporation that could spend money on a

1560
01:13:17,679 --> 01:13:22,159
park or help build water lines for the

1561
01:13:22,159 --> 01:13:25,440
municipality or help build a road that

1562
01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:28,640
enhances the municipality, makes it more

1563
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:32,159
attractive indirectly making it

1564
01:13:32,159 --> 01:13:34,400
improving the economic development

1565
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,679
viability of the municipality. That was

1566
01:13:37,679 --> 01:13:40,480
fundamental row and probably

1567
01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:44,640
I'm going to say two legislations ago or

1568
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:48,000
maybe might have been three six years

1569
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:52,400
>> the legislators made a change that type

1570
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,400
A

1571
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:57,360
was no longer limited to just industrial

1572
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,360
projects

1573
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:04,400
that they could expend money as

1574
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:08,480
type B does on municipal projects.

1575
01:14:08,480 --> 01:14:10,800
>> Okay. So, can I ask you a question?

1576
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:14,159
>> One more thing. The meetings, it's in

1577
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:16,960
their bylaws.

1578
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,679
They meet at least once a quarter.

1579
01:14:19,679 --> 01:14:23,199
>> I I understand. But the the question is

1580
01:14:23,199 --> 01:14:26,159
like what are they doing to to really

1581
01:14:26,159 --> 01:14:28,719
assist the city at this point? I I

1582
01:14:28,719 --> 01:14:30,719
understand they're you're saying they're

1583
01:14:30,719 --> 01:14:31,840
for industrial.

1584
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:34,320
>> We haven't asked them. The city has not

1585
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:37,120
asked them. the the primary you know

1586
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:40,159
when these EDCs were established

1587
01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:43,840
originally in Hasslet, Texas and as well

1588
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:49,600
as currently as many cities use their

1589
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,360
EDCs.

1590
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:53,840
>> They are a funding source.

1591
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:54,640
>> I mean but that funding

1592
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:56,480
>> they don't say go out and hunt for

1593
01:14:56,480 --> 01:14:57,280
things to do.

1594
01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:58,640
>> No, I understand. But that funding would

1595
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,400
go back to the general fund if we were

1596
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:03,199
to like dissolve the type A. My my

1597
01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:04,880
question being right now when industrial

1598
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:06,320
wouldn't it would what what would

1599
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:06,640
happen?

1600
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:11,440
>> No, this is its own fund. So um

1601
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:14,320
they're they're it's much like type um

1602
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,320
B's budget. They're budgeting just in

1603
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:18,640
case. The last time they had an

1604
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:22,239
incentive was with composits one and

1605
01:15:22,239 --> 01:15:24,560
composits one was required to add

1606
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:26,560
certain number of jobs and you know

1607
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:28,880
things like that but they don't pay the

1608
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:30,800
incentive until all those requirements

1609
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:32,560
are met and the company makes the

1610
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,960
application for reimbursement

1611
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,440
>> and so that's the last one they've had.

1612
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:39,440
It's been many years that agreement has

1613
01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:42,080
expired. They never ask for any

1614
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,719
reimbursement under it. So, it's really

1615
01:15:44,719 --> 01:15:47,280
just a placeholder

1616
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,440
um for that. But

1617
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:52,239
>> the the economic direct development

1618
01:15:52,239 --> 01:15:53,920
director

1619
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:56,560
as they would do their job, they'd look

1620
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,840
to type A or B to if a company came

1621
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:02,880
asking for an incentive or any kind of,

1622
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:06,800
you know, um in rebate agreement or

1623
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:08,719
something like that, then they would

1624
01:16:08,719 --> 01:16:10,719
have worked through that. Okay. that

1625
01:16:10,719 --> 01:16:11,920
director the director would have

1626
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,400
approached the council. You want me to

1627
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:18,000
ask type A and B? You know, yes. So then

1628
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:18,880
he'd work all that.

1629
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:20,560
>> But is there a reason that a small city

1630
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,320
like Hasllett would have a type A and

1631
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:23,840
type B? Like Ronoke, they used to have a

1632
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:25,440
type B. From what I can tell, they no

1633
01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:27,520
longer have a type B.

1634
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:27,920
>> What?

1635
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:29,040
>> I can answer that.

1636
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:29,679
>> Okay, go for it.

1637
01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:31,520
>> That's not question.

1638
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:35,040
>> The uh is the amount of tax revenue that

1639
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,760
you collect. you can collect the city in

1640
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:41,360
itself is limited to 1%

1641
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:42,800
the city

1642
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:46,800
>> so we get 1% on every dollar spent on

1643
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:48,800
taxes

1644
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:52,080
when you have a type A

1645
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:55,040
and or B

1646
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:58,880
they can each get up to a maximum of 1%

1647
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:00,480
each

1648
01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:02,719
>> may or may I'm sorry to interrupt

1649
01:17:02,719 --> 01:17:03,840
>> say again

1650
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:05,440
>> I was asking to be recognized but I

1651
01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:06,640
Didn't realize I was interrupting you. I

1652
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:06,960
apologize.

1653
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:08,320
>> No, you were saying something. What were

1654
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:09,040
you saying?

1655
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:11,600
>> I I was going to ask Well, uh just that

1656
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,679
the state did change at one point that

1657
01:17:13,679 --> 01:17:14,400
the

1658
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:16,640
>> the one the the 1 cent can go to two

1659
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:18,800
cents, but it does take a a an

1660
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:20,640
allocation to reallocate the sale an

1661
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:22,560
election an election to reallocate.

1662
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:24,239
>> Yes, they are set up that way now.

1663
01:17:24,239 --> 01:17:26,400
That's when they were adopted.

1664
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:31,360
>> Uh right now, type B gets 1%.

1665
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:35,360
>> No. And the city No, excuse me.

1666
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:37,840
city gets one

1667
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:44,560
between A, B, and the uh street fund,

1668
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,280
they get 1%.

1669
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:48,080
>> Mhm.

1670
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:52,080
>> A gets a half percent

1671
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:55,280
or B gets a half percent. A gets a

1672
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,600
quarter and the street fund gets a

1673
01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:58,960
quarter

1674
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:02,719
>> of the sales tax. So, uh, when it was

1675
01:18:02,719 --> 01:18:04,400
established,

1676
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:07,600
if you did not establish A and B, you

1677
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:10,880
would not get all those revenues.

1678
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:12,000
>> Mr. Mayor,

1679
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:12,400
>> yes.

1680
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:13,120
>> May I

1681
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:13,760
>> Yes, sir.

1682
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:16,480
>> add something. Um, last week Tanya and I

1683
01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:18,640
went to that TML conference and they

1684
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:21,040
said actually a lot of uh small towns

1685
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,520
have transitioned away from EDC's

1686
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,840
because of the change in the state law

1687
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:29,520
>> that still allows you to to get that tax

1688
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,320
money, but they're moving more towards a

1689
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:36,560
community uh corporation where it's it's

1690
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:38,880
not a EDC board any longer, but it's

1691
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,040
they can have the whole 2% in that one

1692
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,120
place and it's more directed by the city

1693
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:43,760
council.

1694
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:46,239
>> Mhm. And it does take an election, but

1695
01:18:46,239 --> 01:18:48,480
EDC's, a lot of EDCs have gone away in

1696
01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:50,800
smaller towns like ours because of the

1697
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:52,159
change in the state law that happened

1698
01:18:52,159 --> 01:18:53,840
several years ago. And so that might be

1699
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:56,320
something that we could look at.

1700
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:56,880
>> I agree.

1701
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:58,480
>> Um because they went over that

1702
01:18:58,480 --> 01:18:59,760
extensively at that conference that we

1703
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:01,520
went to last week and I think it was

1704
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:02,880
very beneficial for us to be there.

1705
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:04,640
>> I also also would love to look at the

1706
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:06,400
Amazon agreement and see if they have

1707
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:08,719
met all of the requirements of what was

1708
01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:10,000
set in that. Did they hire the right

1709
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:11,199
people? or do they do they do the

1710
01:19:11,199 --> 01:19:11,520
correct

1711
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:12,560
>> do they keep the number of

1712
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,679
>> keep the number of um revenue or

1713
01:19:15,679 --> 01:19:18,159
whatever the the restrictions were or

1714
01:19:18,159 --> 01:19:20,719
the expectations were have they have

1715
01:19:20,719 --> 01:19:21,360
they done that

1716
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:23,520
>> because they brought up a story at TML

1717
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:25,040
where there was an incentive agreement

1718
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,679
like that and somebody audited all of

1719
01:19:27,679 --> 01:19:29,440
the things that they were they supposed

1720
01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:31,280
to do this this this and this and they

1721
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:33,600
missed it by like two employees and they

1722
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:36,159
were able to void the contract. So, I

1723
01:19:36,159 --> 01:19:37,760
think we need to be looking at that as

1724
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:40,000
Tanya said as well. Um, because we pay

1725
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:41,360
them what, half a million dollars a year

1726
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:42,400
to be here.

1727
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:43,679
>> Yeah.

1728
01:19:43,679 --> 01:19:45,199
>> And I don't know if anyone has looked at

1729
01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:46,800
to make sure that they are meeting those

1730
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:48,400
requirements because if it was you're

1731
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:49,760
going to have to have so many employees

1732
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:52,159
and now they've automated their entire

1733
01:19:52,159 --> 01:19:54,080
>> their entire warehouse for example,

1734
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:55,280
they're not meeting those employee

1735
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,840
requirements anymore. So, possibly.

1736
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,239
>> So, that's a good idea. you can make a

1737
01:20:00,239 --> 01:20:04,080
note is to perform an audit if we need

1738
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,239
to hire somebody to perform an audit on

1739
01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:08,960
the Amazon agreement.

1740
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:11,040
>> I would just I would say they provide

1741
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:14,320
documentation every year when they ask

1742
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:16,159
for reimbursement on that but they have

1743
01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:18,239
not we have not ever audited it.

1744
01:20:18,239 --> 01:20:19,920
>> Would it that be something that the type

1745
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,560
A would do?

1746
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:24,960
>> Question. I mean

1747
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:26,000
>> what

1748
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:27,199
>> uh

1749
01:20:27,199 --> 01:20:30,560
>> or fund if it needs to be

1750
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,400
>> yes you guys are saying that they make

1751
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,159
those agreements would they not fund

1752
01:20:34,159 --> 01:20:35,199
what's needed to audit

1753
01:20:35,199 --> 01:20:36,800
>> I don't know that a made that agreement

1754
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,360
with Amazon that was city of pass

1755
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:39,920
>> that was it

1756
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:41,920
>> that was city of pass that did that

1757
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:43,280
>> goes back to why did we have a type A

1758
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:44,480
then because I also know several

1759
01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:46,000
industrial buildings have come before us

1760
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:47,440
and I don't believe they've gone to type

1761
01:20:47,440 --> 01:20:50,480
B or type A either so I'm just wondering

1762
01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:53,280
what they're doing

1763
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:55,040
what what a is doing.

1764
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:55,520
>> Okay.

1765
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:57,760
>> They will they they will do what with

1766
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:00,159
what the city of house goes and

1767
01:21:00,159 --> 01:21:02,960
requests.

1768
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:04,080
>> Mr. Mayor,

1769
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:04,880
>> yes,

1770
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:07,360
>> if I'm reading this right, so they have

1771
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:10,800
like their current budget is 2.7 million

1772
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:13,760
and I'm looking on page 251 of their

1773
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,560
future projects. There's nothing.

1774
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:18,320
um

1775
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:21,360
feel like I mean like they got $2.7

1776
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:23,520
almost $3 million and they have no

1777
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:26,159
future projects. They have nothing. So I

1778
01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:27,520
feel like we need to start giving them

1779
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,199
some jobs. I know they only meet every

1780
01:21:29,199 --> 01:21:32,480
quarter, but we need to start either we

1781
01:21:32,480 --> 01:21:34,080
need to we need to fix that.

1782
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:35,679
>> Clarify they're required to meet every

1783
01:21:35,679 --> 01:21:37,120
quarter. They could meet more frequently

1784
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:38,480
than that. You can always do more. You

1785
01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:41,040
just correct. They just have to meet at

1786
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:42,719
>> quarterly. There's nothing wrong with

1787
01:21:42,719 --> 01:21:44,960
that. Well, we either they meet, you

1788
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:46,400
know, that we take advantage of them

1789
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:47,520
meeting every quarter and we give them

1790
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,280
stuff to do that. We ask them to do

1791
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,600
things or but for their future projects,

1792
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:52,800
they have nothing and they have almost

1793
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:54,639
$3 million in their budget or their So

1794
01:21:54,639 --> 01:21:56,320
that that's something very

1795
01:21:56,320 --> 01:22:00,719
>> it's not until the last two budgets, I

1796
01:22:00,719 --> 01:22:03,120
believe, this budget and budget

1797
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:05,679
previous, maybe the one prior to that,

1798
01:22:05,679 --> 01:22:09,440
but did type B start listing money on

1799
01:22:09,440 --> 01:22:14,080
projects. Here's a project project and setting money out there.

1800
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:14,639
>> Wonderful.

1801
01:22:14,639 --> 01:22:17,360
>> And they were council.

1802
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:20,159
You can do that, but it means nothing.

1803
01:22:20,159 --> 01:22:23,520
You cannot spend that money until you go

1804
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:25,920
through the formal process of adopting

1805
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:27,840
the project,

1806
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:29,920
identifying the project, establishing

1807
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:34,159
the amount of money that it will be, and

1808
01:22:34,159 --> 01:22:36,960
forwarding that with the resolution to

1809
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:40,000
the city to approve the project.

1810
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,480
There's a process for each one of those

1811
01:22:42,480 --> 01:22:43,280
projects.

1812
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:44,800
>> I understand that. I think I think what

1813
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:46,080
Jazz was saying a while ago, we need to

1814
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:47,840
understand what type A does. We know

1815
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:49,520
what type B does. We know what all they

1816
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:50,639
can do. We need to find out what they

1817
01:22:50,639 --> 01:22:53,280
can what type A does to where we can be

1818
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:55,280
able to call them and be like, hey,

1819
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:57,679
>> can y'all do this and do what?

1820
01:22:57,679 --> 01:22:59,120
>> Yeah, like you're saying, work on this.

1821
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:00,480
>> Work on this and hey, can y'all do this

1822
01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:02,239
for us? Um, hey, can y'all make a

1823
01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:03,840
project? Can y'all look into this?

1824
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,320
Because I don't really know what type A

1825
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:07,679
does. You said there a lot of industrial

1826
01:23:07,679 --> 01:23:10,400
or whatever. Um, but I think if we can

1827
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,080
maybe get a list of what type A does,

1828
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:13,760
then I wouldn't be opposed to emailing

1829
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,159
them or calling them like, "Hey, can you

1830
01:23:16,159 --> 01:23:18,080
add this?" Because they've got money.

1831
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:19,360
They could be helping out the city and

1832
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:21,600
it's just sitting here doing nothing.

1833
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:25,440
>> Uh, then I would encourage you to read

1834
01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:27,280
local government code starting with

1835
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:29,600
chapter 501.

1836
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:32,239
>> Okay. Um, I

1837
01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:37,280
there are 501, 502, 503, 504. Mayor.

1838
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:38,000
>> Yes.

1839
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:39,679
>> And that will tell you what

1840
01:23:39,679 --> 01:23:41,040
>> I thought you recognized me.

1841
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,679
>> A and B can do

1842
01:23:43,679 --> 01:23:45,360
>> but please read that

1843
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:47,199
>> and I've read that and it just it's

1844
01:23:47,199 --> 01:23:49,040
still determining what they are doing

1845
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:51,679
for us currently. But

1846
01:23:51,679 --> 01:23:53,280
regardless, I think we wait until this

1847
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:55,199
economic development manager or director

1848
01:23:55,199 --> 01:23:56,560
is brought on because they will give us

1849
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:59,199
guidance on what these boards can or

1850
01:23:59,199 --> 01:24:00,560
what they can be doing and what they

1851
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:02,400
should be doing and they should give us

1852
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:05,199
direction on

1853
01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:06,800
what you were speaking of whether it

1854
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:08,159
would benefit us or not. They'll have

1855
01:24:08,159 --> 01:24:09,840
that experience if we hire the right

1856
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:14,800
person. also is 501 will tell you about

1857
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:17,120
this other type of corporation you were

1858
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:18,320
speaking of

1859
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:20,719
>> how that can be created. See, the

1860
01:24:20,719 --> 01:24:24,480
economic development corporations aren't

1861
01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:27,840
particularly limited to a city, any

1862
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:46,790
entity. Public implation

1863
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:50,159
of dissolving or

1864
01:24:50,159 --> 01:24:53,520
defining or wanting to know understand

1865
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:58,719
what state statute allows you to do.

1866
01:24:58,719 --> 01:25:00,239
>> I agree. Thank you.

1867
01:25:00,239 --> 01:25:06,310
>> Good.

1868
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,320
» Okay. Are there any other questions on a

1869
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:12,470
type A?

1870
01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:15,840
» Um page 255 is a hotel motto occupancy

1871
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:19,679
tax. Um, we're basically collecting the

1872
01:25:19,679 --> 01:25:23,679
tax, but we've not identified

1873
01:25:23,679 --> 01:25:26,000
uh anything that qualifies for the funds

1874
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:27,840
to be spent on as a project.

1875
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:31,120
>> You mean like a troll?

1876
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:33,920
>> Yep. Uh, are there any questions on

1877
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:37,270
that?

1878
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:40,320
» So, just for uh everyone to know and it

1879
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:43,120
to be on video, what can the hotel tax

1880
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:45,520
be spent on? It could be spent on

1881
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:48,800
wayfinding to the hotels that the

1882
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:49,679
>> the one we have

1883
01:25:49,679 --> 01:25:54,239
>> collect and any kind of um

1884
01:25:54,239 --> 01:25:59,920
tourist type u attraction or um

1885
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:03,520
wayfinding to a convention center

1886
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:04,960
u

1887
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:05,920
>> public art.

1888
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:10,000
>> Yeah, public art. the the control of it

1889
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:10,880
is

1890
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:12,800
>> you can expend [snorts]

1891
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:16,800
>> money on signage and advertising.

1892
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:18,719
Yeah, we can advertise any of the, you

1893
01:26:18,719 --> 01:26:21,920
know, events that your city may be

1894
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:23,840
hosting

1895
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:27,360
>> that will cause increased hotel stay,

1896
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:28,480
>> right? Which does not include a

1897
01:26:28,480 --> 01:26:30,000
fireworks show, for example, because

1898
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:31,760
that was a discussion at TML as well.

1899
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:33,360
You can't use it for fireworks, right?

1900
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:34,800
>> It has to be heads and beds, as they

1901
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:35,199
said.

1902
01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:36,000
>> That's right.

1903
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,880
>> But we can use it for public art,

1904
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:39,920
>> right?

1905
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:40,560
>> Public art.

1906
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:42,239
>> So, public art

1907
01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:45,280
>> if it will entice people to stay in a

1908
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:48,320
hotel. That's the whole point. You're

1909
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:50,800
trying to get people to stay overnight

1910
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:53,679
in your hotels because not only you

1911
01:26:53,679 --> 01:26:55,920
going to get some hotel tax money,

1912
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:57,920
they're going to spend money in the

1913
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:00,080
restaurants and things of that nature.

1914
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:04,719
So, it is you can do expend that fun

1915
01:27:04,719 --> 01:27:08,320
money to entice people to stay in a

1916
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:08,880
hotel.

1917
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:09,840
>> You know what would get people to stay

1918
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:11,600
in hotels? Baseball tournaments. I'm

1919
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:18,470
just saying.

1920
01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:21,760
On page 257 is the Municipal Court

1921
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:24,239
Security Fund.

1922
01:27:24,239 --> 01:27:27,840
On 261 is the Municipal Court Technology

1923
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,159
Fund.

1924
01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:32,960
And these two funds, their names pretty

1925
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:36,239
much say what they're for. Um, these are

1926
01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:39,520
fees that are assessed on uh a m

1927
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:42,080
municipal court fine. a portion of those

1928
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:45,440
fees go towards uh funding these two

1929
01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:49,600
funds. Now, last uh legislature, they

1930
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:53,120
decided to do away with these funds

1931
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:56,080
because they are um they don't generate

1932
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:58,080
a lot of revenue and so a lot of small

1933
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:01,120
towns like us um have a hard time

1934
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:03,440
expending them for what their purpose is

1935
01:28:03,440 --> 01:28:05,840
to provide security for the municipal

1936
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:07,600
core or technology for the municipal

1937
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:10,719
court. So last year what they decided to

1938
01:28:10,719 --> 01:28:13,520
do was make a combined municipal court

1939
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:15,440
security technology fund which you'll

1940
01:28:15,440 --> 01:28:18,719
see on page 269.

1941
01:28:18,719 --> 01:28:22,560
So we are discontinuing

1942
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:27,280
funds um going into uh fund 13 and 14.

1943
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:29,760
No revenues are coming in but we're

1944
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:31,520
expending until those funds are

1945
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,480
exhausted. The new the revenue we're

1946
01:28:34,480 --> 01:28:36,880
collecting is actually going into fund

1947
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:38,239
16.

1948
01:28:38,239 --> 01:28:39,920
But we haven't really expended anything

1949
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:41,600
from there because we haven't exhausted

1950
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:44,000
the other two funds. But these funds

1951
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,000
are, you know, like I said, something

1952
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:49,520
that um is added on to the court fines

1953
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:51,440
um to be spent on security and

1954
01:28:51,440 --> 01:28:52,639
technology.

1955
01:28:52,639 --> 01:28:55,199
>> Just to clarify, once 13 and 14 are

1956
01:28:55,199 --> 01:28:56,960
completely exhausted, they'll go away.

1957
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:57,679
>> Yes.

1958
01:28:57,679 --> 01:29:01,350
>> Thank you.

1959
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:05,440
On page 265 is uh fund 15 which is city

1960
01:29:05,440 --> 01:29:08,639
parks improvement fund.

1961
01:29:08,639 --> 01:29:11,920
This is where the uh development fees

1962
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:14,960
are um received. There's interest

1963
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:18,080
income. Those are the revenue sources

1964
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,560
um for this fund.

1965
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:23,040
Excuse [clears throat] me.

1966
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:25,920
And then um you'll see that there in the

1967
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:27,920
current year there's several projects

1968
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:31,520
that were ongoing expecting those to be

1969
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:33,280
uh completed

1970
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:36,159
uh if not completed carried forward. But

1971
01:29:36,159 --> 01:29:41,280
then for um next year there's 210,000

1972
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:44,639
um added for uh electric service line

1973
01:29:44,639 --> 01:29:51,189
and receptacles at community park.

1974
01:29:51,199 --> 01:29:52,560
Any question?

1975
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:53,920
>> I was just saying trash cans are really

1976
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:55,120
expensive.

1977
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:57,679
>> Yeah.

1978
01:29:57,679 --> 01:30:00,320
>> So, is this Marcy

1979
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:02,320
>> um

1980
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:06,000
under this 2526 we're at 763,000

1981
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:09,199
and when it's lined out 250 of that is

1982
01:30:09,199 --> 01:30:10,960
community park playground.

1983
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:11,679
>> Mhm.

1984
01:30:11,679 --> 01:30:14,400
>> Is that part of the 800,000 that we're

1985
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:17,199
talking about for the

1986
01:30:17,199 --> 01:30:18,719
replacement of the playground equipment

1987
01:30:18,719 --> 01:30:20,159
or is that something else? That's

1988
01:30:20,159 --> 01:30:21,040
something else.

1989
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:21,360
>> Okay.

1990
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:23,199
>> I'm not sure. But it was something that

1991
01:30:23,199 --> 01:30:24,639
was in the current year and I can't

1992
01:30:24,639 --> 01:30:26,480
remember what it was.

1993
01:30:26,480 --> 01:30:27,440
>> Okay.

1994
01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:28,880
>> Oh, no. I'm not sure what that is.

1995
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:29,199
>> Yeah.

1996
01:30:29,199 --> 01:30:30,639
>> Wait. So then we've got over a million

1997
01:30:30,639 --> 01:30:31,840
for community park.

1998
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:32,560
>> I'm sorry.

1999
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:34,159
>> So then we have over a million for

2000
01:30:34,159 --> 01:30:35,520
community park.

2001
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:37,199
>> Looks like it.

2002
01:30:37,199 --> 01:30:38,400
>> If that's carried forward.

2003
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:39,920
>> Yeah. It's near March, but it might not

2004
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:41,360
get spent. [clears throat]

2005
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:43,760
>> So should we maybe take the other 300

2006
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:46,480
out and leave this 250?

2007
01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:47,920
>> I think every dollar we can put towards

2008
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:49,520
the parks would be a good thing. I think

2009
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:50,960
we have to be reasonable for the size of

2010
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:51,679
city we are.

2011
01:30:51,679 --> 01:30:54,480
>> I understand but it hasn't been

2012
01:30:54,480 --> 01:30:56,400
>> really all we have going for us or the

2013
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:58,719
parks right now.

2014
01:30:58,719 --> 01:30:59,120
>> I don't know.

2015
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:00,800
>> The bathrooms need to be replaced.

2016
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:02,800
>> We have all kinds of stuff.

2017
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:03,760
>> Yeah.

2018
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:05,600
>> The way I look at it is we're we're a

2019
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:07,040
small town, but just because we're a

2020
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:08,239
small town doesn't mean we can't have

2021
01:31:08,239 --> 01:31:09,120
nice things.

2022
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:11,199
>> We could change community park instead

2023
01:31:11,199 --> 01:31:12,320
of playground. It could just be

2024
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:14,320
community park park and we we take out

2025
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:17,280
the word playground so it can be more um

2026
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:21,280
universally used for like I said um like

2027
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:25,520
restrooms or um electricity or it means

2028
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:28,480
something else.

2029
01:31:28,480 --> 01:31:29,280
>> Keep it.

2030
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:30,719
>> It was in last year's budget. It's not

2031
01:31:30,719 --> 01:31:31,199
this year's

2032
01:31:31,199 --> 01:31:32,560
>> project is in the current year.

2033
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:33,520
>> That was last year.

2034
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:35,600
>> Oh, okay.

2035
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:37,520
>> Yeah, that was last year's budget.

2036
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:38,719
>> 268.

2037
01:31:38,719 --> 01:31:39,520
>> Okay. So, it's been

2038
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:42,239
>> the 250,000. Yeah. Is that a carryover

2039
01:31:42,239 --> 01:31:43,280
or is it was last year?

2040
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:44,639
>> It was Well, right now it's just listed

2041
01:31:44,639 --> 01:31:45,760
as last year's year, but just not

2042
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:47,440
>> not carried over. Okay.

2043
01:31:47,440 --> 01:31:50,480
>> I don't know.

2044
01:31:50,480 --> 01:31:52,480
>> So, I think that was the original fall

2045
01:31:52,480 --> 01:31:55,760
zones and uh swing sets that were in

2046
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:57,600
community park. It's the one that's next

2047
01:31:57,600 --> 01:31:59,440
to the basketball court. And I think

2048
01:31:59,440 --> 01:32:00,800
they thought at one time that would

2049
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:02,960
replace in kind the exact playground

2050
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:04,320
that was there. So,

2051
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:06,000
>> I think that was the original scope of

2052
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:07,760
this one.

2053
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:10,880
>> So, this wasn't So, this wasn't spent

2054
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:11,760
Okay.

2055
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:13,199
>> So, does this carry forward or does it

2056
01:32:13,199 --> 01:32:13,920
just go away?

2057
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:15,840
>> Goes away.

2058
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:18,159
>> It'll just go back into their balance.

2059
01:32:18,159 --> 01:32:18,960
>> Okay. James,

2060
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:20,400
>> it's not needed.

2061
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:21,920
>> Sorry, Marcy.

2062
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:25,360
>> U was the upper tap trail crossing drain

2063
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:27,120
improvements. Is that what you uh

2064
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:27,600
worked?

2065
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:31,280
>> That was I was just asking is that the project you did that goes

2066
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:32,800
under the bridge that you kind of

2067
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:34,080
reworked all that last year? That was

2068
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:36,320
the That was the drainage crossing at

2069
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:39,280
the far at the west end of the park

2070
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:40,880
>> where the tap trail goes across. And

2071
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:43,360
then we also did underneath the 156

2072
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:44,400
bridge, but those were all those

2073
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:45,360
drainage improvements.

2074
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:47,520
>> Okay, that's what that is. Okay,

2075
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:49,520
>> I'm sorry.

2076
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:55,350
>> This upper 10 trail cross improve.

2077
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:56,480
» Oh, okay.

2078
01:32:56,480 --> 01:32:58,320
>> I was completed. I'll just ask I'll just

2079
01:32:58,320 --> 01:32:59,760
clarify what that project was. I do have

2080
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:01,440
a question about the UG electrical

2081
01:33:01,440 --> 01:33:02,880
service line and receptacles because we

2082
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:04,480
have several line items for trash cans

2083
01:33:04,480 --> 01:33:06,480
for the parks this year. So, just trying

2084
01:33:06,480 --> 01:33:09,440
to figure out what's going on with that.

2085
01:33:09,440 --> 01:33:12,159
>> Okay. We in our on andm budget because

2086
01:33:12,159 --> 01:33:13,679
it wasn't enough to be a capital, we

2087
01:33:13,679 --> 01:33:15,679
asked to replace the existing trash cans

2088
01:33:15,679 --> 01:33:17,679
that were in community park and Gamble.

2089
01:33:17,679 --> 01:33:19,040
They've been there for the better half

2090
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:22,320
of 20 years and they're

2091
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:23,520
>> Wasn't enough at the 4th of July. I

2092
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:24,880
think trash was all over the ground. We

2093
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:26,800
just asked uh pretty much replace all

2094
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:28,480
those with something that's going to

2095
01:33:28,480 --> 01:33:30,719
hold up hopefully for another 20 years.

2096
01:33:30,719 --> 01:33:34,320
Uh then we had a list of park projects

2097
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:37,040
that the park board had identified and

2098
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:38,800
we've done like a lot of those were the

2099
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:42,080
uh drainage improvements. But this uh

2100
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:43,440
the electric service line and

2101
01:33:43,440 --> 01:33:46,480
receptacles they desire to have around

2102
01:33:46,480 --> 01:33:49,600
the uh that kind of inner circle there

2103
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:51,600
around the uh basketball court. They

2104
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:54,400
want uh power for vendors and things

2105
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:58,000
during uh events. And then also uh they

2106
01:33:58,000 --> 01:33:59,679
also I mean I don't think it lays it out

2107
01:33:59,679 --> 01:34:01,760
here, but they wanted the same thing

2108
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:04,159
around the entire trail with improved

2109
01:34:04,159 --> 01:34:05,920
path lighting. Those were projects that

2110
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:08,639
are just they were identified years ago

2111
01:34:08,639 --> 01:34:10,639
and they're slowly being funded. So

2112
01:34:10,639 --> 01:34:11,600
>> Okay. Got it.

2113
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:14,639
>> So James, I have a little bit of a

2114
01:34:14,639 --> 01:34:17,679
little bit of knowledge here. When you

2115
01:34:17,679 --> 01:34:19,360
say

2116
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:21,600
providing power for vendors, does that

2117
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:23,040
include the food trucks so they don't

2118
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:24,880
have to bring generators and the blowup

2119
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:26,159
so they don't have to bring generators?

2120
01:34:26,159 --> 01:34:27,920
>> Yeah, the 20 amp.

2121
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:29,440
>> That'd be the idea. Yeah, it would be

2122
01:34:29,440 --> 01:34:31,600
it'd be an upgrade of the service and

2123
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:33,840
then the intent is to provide power so

2124
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:35,199
we don't we can cut down on some of the

2125
01:34:35,199 --> 01:34:36,159
noise and also

2126
01:34:36,159 --> 01:34:37,120
>> that would be amazing.

2127
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:38,800
>> Have better vendors that could, you

2128
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:40,000
know, do more with that

2129
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:41,280
>> because I know all the food trucks have

2130
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:43,280
to have those big plugs or they have to

2131
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:45,440
use generators. they can't just roll up

2132
01:34:45,440 --> 01:34:48,719
and do their thing. Um, so you're

2133
01:34:48,719 --> 01:34:50,159
putting you're starting to put some

2134
01:34:50,159 --> 01:34:52,000
plugs in in some places that they can we

2135
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:53,440
can get rid of some of those generator.

2136
01:34:53,440 --> 01:34:55,440
>> Yeah, that's what this this project was

2137
01:34:55,440 --> 01:34:57,440
on that inner loop was to provide that

2138
01:34:57,440 --> 01:34:59,120
so when we have an event that they'd

2139
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:01,440
have access to power and negate the need

2140
01:35:01,440 --> 01:35:02,000
for that,

2141
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:03,040
>> right? Thank you, sir.

2142
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:04,719
>> When when we're looking at that side

2143
01:35:04,719 --> 01:35:07,280
note, can we just look at possibly

2144
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:08,960
something for speakers for the 4th of

2145
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:11,120
July because great show couldn't hear a

2146
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:12,560
thing where everyone was sitting. I

2147
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:13,760
don't know about anybody else that was

2148
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:15,120
there, but you couldn't hear the music

2149
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:17,440
going on with the show. So, even if it's

2150
01:35:17,440 --> 01:35:19,280
just plugs towards that front of the

2151
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:21,360
park where we can plug in some speakers

2152
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:23,760
so we can actually hear the music

2153
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:25,440
>> be good.

2154
01:35:25,440 --> 01:35:26,080
>> Were you there?

2155
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:27,840
>> I just did my own on my phone cuz I

2156
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:28,719
couldn't hear it either.

2157
01:35:28,719 --> 01:35:32,950
>> Yeah.

2158
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:36,560
» Okay. Uh, next fund is page 273. It's a

2159
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:39,440
library board fund. uh the library

2160
01:35:39,440 --> 01:35:43,360
board. Um this fund

2161
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:45,360
provides money for the summer reading

2162
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:47,840
club, some special projects that they

2163
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:51,760
may have and any kind of uh small

2164
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:55,040
furniture equipment. um some things that

2165
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:57,280
um

2166
01:35:57,280 --> 01:35:59,199
it's very

2167
01:35:59,199 --> 01:36:03,920
>> did the um I'm sorry the um revenue that

2168
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:07,920
comes in um once again on the utility

2169
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:11,920
bill when uh someone contributes to the

2170
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:15,040
park fund. The general fund matches that

2171
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:20,320
same donation um for the library.

2172
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:22,080
So they have 15,000 of their own money

2173
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:23,679
coming in and we're putting in 15,000.

2174
01:36:23,679 --> 01:36:25,360
Is that right?

2175
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:26,960
>> No, that's [clears throat] their only

2176
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:28,960
that's the only funds they have in

2177
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:31,360
coming in besides interest income.

2178
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:32,400
>> So where is our

2179
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:35,199
>> the parks board gets 15,000 and that

2180
01:36:35,199 --> 01:36:37,120
triggers what the general fund gives

2181
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:38,480
parks board and library?

2182
01:36:38,480 --> 01:36:40,000
>> Library.

2183
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:41,840
>> Okay.

2184
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:43,199
>> But they haven't asked for any increase

2185
01:36:43,199 --> 01:36:51,590
in any of this. The library board. Okay.

2186
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:54,639
Uh then on page 277

2187
01:36:54,639 --> 01:36:58,400
is the transportation sales tax fund.

2188
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:02,000
And I'm not sure um if y'all want to

2189
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:03,360
discuss that now or if you want to take

2190
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:05,760
that up in capital. These are repair

2191
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:09,840
projects um for streets. Uh that's the

2192
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:12,080
purpose of the transportation sales tax.

2193
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:15,360
It cannot be used to create a new road

2194
01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:18,719
um or rebuild a road. It's just for

2195
01:37:18,719 --> 01:37:23,040
maintenance of existing roads

2196
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:24,159
>> and [clears throat] it's a funding

2197
01:37:24,159 --> 01:37:25,040
source.

2198
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:29,440
>> Yes. And so the um the revenue for this

2199
01:37:29,440 --> 01:37:32,800
is the uh quarter cent sales tax and

2200
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:34,800
interest income.

2201
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:38,400
And then uh the project slated for next

2202
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:44,719
year is a Hlet Park inter interim repair

2203
01:37:44,719 --> 01:37:47,040
um on the HMA. I'm not sure what that

2204
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:48,880
stands for.

2205
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:50,400
Um,

2206
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:53,199
phase one striping plan

2207
01:37:53,199 --> 01:37:56,320
and Bane Road reconstruction.

2208
01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:59,119
Um, we were carrying that forward, but I

2209
01:37:59,119 --> 01:38:00,960
think maybe it maybe needs to be put

2210
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:03,520
back in the current year if we're doing

2211
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:05,679
the ILA. Will we be doing that before

2212
01:38:05,679 --> 01:38:06,719
October one?

2213
01:38:06,719 --> 01:38:12,870
>> Which one?

2214
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:15,040
» Yeah, it's on there.

2215
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:17,280
>> Mhm. Yes.

2216
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:19,199
be done before.

2217
01:38:19,199 --> 01:38:21,360
>> Okay. So, that'll be in the current

2218
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:23,280
year. Um,

2219
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:24,800
>> wait. So, it won't carry over is what

2220
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:26,960
you're saying because it'll be done.

2221
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:28,560
>> Yeah. We didn't think it was going to be

2222
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:30,320
done, but you all approved that ILA

2223
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:31,440
Monday night. Okay.

2224
01:38:31,440 --> 01:38:36,560
>> So, um, and then, uh, Water Crest,

2225
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:38,400
Verona, North Glenn, Wimberly. There's

2226
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:42,880
some repairs uh in water crest that um

2227
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:45,760
750,000 is allocated for.

2228
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:47,679
>> Why did I I have written down one block

2229
01:38:47,679 --> 01:38:50,080
500,000. I mean I see the 750. I just

2230
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:51,679
wonder what my notes were that I wrote

2231
01:38:51,679 --> 01:38:54,880
down one block 500,000 next to Water

2232
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:57,679
Crest Verona. You'll explain that or why

2233
01:38:57,679 --> 01:38:58,239
did I write that?

2234
01:38:58,239 --> 01:39:00,639
>> Yes, ma'am. There was a Verona itself

2235
01:39:00,639 --> 01:39:03,600
that 340 ft was about a half a million

2236
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:04,080
dollars.

2237
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:05,360
>> So that's what you

2238
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:08,080
>> in addition to the 750. Um, I believe we

2239
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:12,080
combined some other known um pavement

2240
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:15,040
repairs uh on top of that 500.

2241
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:15,280
>> Okay.

2242
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:16,320
>> Does that make sense?

2243
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:17,280
>> Yes.

2244
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:18,719
>> Mayor.

2245
01:39:18,719 --> 01:39:19,280
>> Yes, ma'am.

2246
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:21,600
>> Can I ask um kind of why Careway keeps

2247
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:22,880
getting put off? This has been a problem

2248
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:24,719
since the community was built. The front

2249
01:39:24,719 --> 01:39:26,960
drainage and the side drainage like

2250
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:29,440
every year it just never happens. And

2251
01:39:29,440 --> 01:39:31,199
again, it got axed for this year, it

2252
01:39:31,199 --> 01:39:34,000
looks like, because I know we did some

2253
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:37,440
simple um band-aid solutions that did

2254
01:39:37,440 --> 01:39:40,000
not work. So, do we

2255
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:41,600
>> It's cuz we're working.

2256
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:43,040
>> Say that again.

2257
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:45,040
>> That place, I didn't hear the question.

2258
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:47,199
>> Careway, the drainage issue on the two

2259
01:39:47,199 --> 01:39:49,199
entrances for Careway where there's a

2260
01:39:49,199 --> 01:39:51,840
constant small pool of water. It keeps

2261
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:53,360
getting put off. I know this past year

2262
01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:54,960
we've tried some band-aids. They

2263
01:39:54,960 --> 01:39:56,880
>> Yeah, there were two there's two sites.

2264
01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:58,400
One is at the main entry,

2265
01:39:58,400 --> 01:39:58,880
>> correct?

2266
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:01,360
>> And then the other is on is it

2267
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:03,119
>> Syena

2268
01:40:03,119 --> 01:40:04,000
>> Sienna?

2269
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:06,800
>> It's Yeah, it it's at the north entrance

2270
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:07,280
of

2271
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:08,800
>> Right. That's on the north end.

2272
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:09,280
>> Correct.

2273
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:12,639
>> And there I know that nothing has been

2274
01:40:12,639 --> 01:40:15,440
done with regard to the main entry.

2275
01:40:15,440 --> 01:40:16,960
>> That's always existed.

2276
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:17,360
>> So,

2277
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:22,320
>> and the Siana, they tried to u shave

2278
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:23,600
down the concrete.

2279
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:24,239
>> It didn't work.

2280
01:40:24,239 --> 01:40:28,480
Yeah. and so but yes

2281
01:40:28,480 --> 01:40:33,119
u Mr. Tucker has a plan of action for

2282
01:40:33,119 --> 01:40:35,679
the entry at least that one. Tell us

2283
01:40:35,679 --> 01:40:36,480
what that is.

2284
01:40:36,480 --> 01:40:38,560
>> So to be clear, we did do foam

2285
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:41,600
injections on the entryway there. There

2286
01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:47,440
is no way to without rebuilding that to solve that issue. We did get minor

2287
01:40:47,440 --> 01:40:50,800
improvement on that. I guess as you exit

2288
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:52,400
there in the front entrance as you exit,

2289
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:55,360
it's not perfect by any means, but it is

2290
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:58,800
not holding 4 in of water there. And and

2291
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:01,040
one of the reasons is these are

2292
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:02,480
cosmetic. I mean, they're they

2293
01:41:02,480 --> 01:41:04,000
definitely need to be fixed. They they

2294
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:05,679
don't look good. They do need to be

2295
01:41:05,679 --> 01:41:07,679
fixed, but uh the ones in Water Crest,

2296
01:41:07,679 --> 01:41:09,760
they're drivability issues. So, as one

2297
01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:11,360
of the reasons why the priority has been

2298
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:12,960
lower than what's in Water Crest and

2299
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:14,960
North Glenn, because those are actual

2300
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:17,199
pavement failures. The other ones are

2301
01:41:17,199 --> 01:41:19,679
holding water, but the road is stable

2302
01:41:19,679 --> 01:41:22,800
and it hasn't caused any major issue

2303
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:24,800
besides you're driving through water

2304
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:26,960
there. So, do we do we not have the

2305
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:29,440
ability to work on both things at the

2306
01:41:29,440 --> 01:41:31,360
same time? Because the it looks like the

2307
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:33,199
budget is definitely there. And I I

2308
01:41:33,199 --> 01:41:37,440
think I see that um Mr. Anderson has it

2309
01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:41,109
marked as

2310
01:41:41,119 --> 01:41:43,280
Where did it go?

2311
01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:44,159
>> And on the interest

2312
01:41:44,159 --> 01:41:46,000
>> 200,000, we could at least get the

2313
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:47,520
design going, I would think, to fix

2314
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:49,040
these roads because Careway in general

2315
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:51,360
has a ton of drainage issues.

2316
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:52,239
>> Yes.

2317
01:41:52,239 --> 01:41:54,080
>> Yeah. I think one of the one of the

2318
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:55,679
things that we were trying to do on the

2319
01:41:55,679 --> 01:41:59,760
water crest uh the 750,000

2320
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:02,719
I believe we we had taken the 500 we had

2321
01:42:02,719 --> 01:42:04,320
done a detailed cost estimate and

2322
01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:07,119
concept plan for Verona Drive there were

2323
01:42:07,119 --> 01:42:09,760
some u known deficiencies on Wimberly

2324
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:12,560
but those those have been or are under

2325
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:13,360
construction right now

2326
01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:14,880
>> correct we're taking those out of

2327
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:17,199
>> the so so what I would recommend is

2328
01:42:17,199 --> 01:42:19,280
you're right there's 200,000 that we put

2329
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:22,000
in a as a wedge an estimate for the

2330
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:22,960
entry

2331
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:26,159
Um, we could look at doing trying to

2332
01:42:26,159 --> 01:42:28,159
come up with a concept. We need to get

2333
01:42:28,159 --> 01:42:29,520
surveying done because it's going to

2334
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:32,080
involve drainage or installation of a

2335
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:36,320
drainage um basin or an inlet as part of

2336
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:38,560
this next year. And if there's if we

2337
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:41,440
determine that it's a $150,000 fix, well

2338
01:42:41,440 --> 01:42:44,560
then presuming Verona costs $500,000,

2339
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:45,920
there would be money to take care of it

2340
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:47,360
with that item. Well, even if we just

2341
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:48,719
take the Bane Road since that's going to

2342
01:42:48,719 --> 01:42:50,719
be done and move that 200,000 to Careway

2343
01:42:50,719 --> 01:42:53,199
so we can at least be looking at this

2344
01:42:53,199 --> 01:42:54,719
problem instead of pushing it even

2345
01:42:54,719 --> 01:42:55,840
further down the road because like you

2346
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:58,080
said, this requires investigation.

2347
01:42:58,080 --> 01:42:59,920
Band-aids have been tried to be applied

2348
01:42:59,920 --> 01:43:01,920
and it's not solving the issue. And I

2349
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:03,199
just want to make sure we're looking at

2350
01:43:03,199 --> 01:43:07,119
both the north um entrance and the main

2351
01:43:07,119 --> 01:43:10,080
entrance because they're they're both

2352
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:12,719
equally pretty bad. I actually sent a

2353
01:43:12,719 --> 01:43:17,040
picture to Tanya. It's a constant pond.

2354
01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:19,199
Yeah, the entry is the worst of the two.

2355
01:43:19,199 --> 01:43:20,239
Michael,

2356
01:43:20,239 --> 01:43:23,280
>> since you did the phone, it depends. It

2357
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:26,719
honestly depends. Um, lately, I don't

2358
01:43:26,719 --> 01:43:28,639
know if it's what you did maybe helped

2359
01:43:28,639 --> 01:43:30,639
slightly. The entrance, in my opinion,

2360
01:43:30,639 --> 01:43:32,400
has been slightly better, but

2361
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:34,000
>> yeah, just the exit coming out of there.

2362
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:36,880
We did notice that. I mean, I feel like

2363
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:39,040
we got about 75% out of that and that

2364
01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:40,960
was an improvement. We get attempted on

2365
01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:42,480
the other one. There's very little they

2366
01:43:42,480 --> 01:43:44,480
can do because it does either need to be

2367
01:43:44,480 --> 01:43:46,800
reconstructed or really like you said a

2368
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:48,639
collector and drained it off. There's

2369
01:43:48,639 --> 01:43:50,239
just it's so flat through there. There's

2370
01:43:50,239 --> 01:43:53,520
no way without changing harm in there to

2371
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:55,119
get it to drain differently. So

2372
01:43:55,119 --> 01:43:57,119
collecting it and having it in a storm

2373
01:43:57,119 --> 01:44:00,080
drain is the answer in the very back.

2374
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:02,080
That one is seasonal. So there is parts

2375
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:03,280
of the year where there's so much

2376
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:04,639
pavement moving. There's parts of the

2377
01:44:04,639 --> 01:44:06,719
year that it will drain. And there's

2378
01:44:06,719 --> 01:44:08,239
also parts where we had tons of rain,

2379
01:44:08,239 --> 01:44:10,159
tons of water, it swells and then it

2380
01:44:10,159 --> 01:44:12,719
holds up and it's so it's hard to judge

2381
01:44:12,719 --> 01:44:15,440
how bad that is. But the pavement is

2382
01:44:15,440 --> 01:44:17,280
holding up. But as far as for driving

2383
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:19,040
through the water, it is absolutely I

2384
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:20,159
mean not what you want.

2385
01:44:20,159 --> 01:44:22,400
>> As someone who walks that almost I mean

2386
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:24,159
every few days, not right now because

2387
01:44:24,159 --> 01:44:26,880
it's August, but I I've never seen a

2388
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:29,440
time where it's completely dried up in

2389
01:44:29,440 --> 01:44:32,000
front of that house. I don't think even

2390
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:33,920
in the winter. I I've never seen it

2391
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:34,400
completely.

2392
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:36,000
>> No, it absolutely needs to be fixed. So,

2393
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:38,159
I'd love to see that done. And if that's

2394
01:44:38,159 --> 01:44:41,440
a solution, uh, Mike, on the cost, do we

2395
01:44:41,440 --> 01:44:43,280
ever do a cost estimate for the the one

2396
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:45,199
in the very back of the neighborhood?

2397
01:44:45,199 --> 01:44:48,080
>> I think we have I think we put another

2398
01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:49,520
200,000 in there for that

2399
01:44:49,520 --> 01:44:50,480
>> two or 250.

2400
01:44:50,480 --> 01:44:51,199
>> Okay.

2401
01:44:51,199 --> 01:44:53,520
>> Total or for like 200,000 for one,

2402
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:54,560
200,000 for

2403
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:56,000
>> for each for each.

2404
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:58,480
>> Okay. So, then question for you. With

2405
01:44:58,480 --> 01:45:00,800
everything else you have going on, do

2406
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:02,960
you think 200,000 this year is enough to

2407
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:04,960
get you going with other priorities or

2408
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:06,400
do you think you really need that full

2409
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:08,800
amount for both to get moving?

2410
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:10,400
>> I think if we're just trying to look at

2411
01:45:10,400 --> 01:45:13,360
the design for for both of those, we

2412
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:16,560
could probably do that for $50,000 or

2413
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:17,920
less, the survey and the design.

2414
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:19,119
>> You also need to investigate a little

2415
01:45:19,119 --> 01:45:19,920
bit, right?

2416
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:22,480
>> Yes, ma'am. But I we we've we've got

2417
01:45:22,480 --> 01:45:24,800
enough information available from the

2418
01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:28,320
plans and uh the geotech. So, I think if

2419
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:29,840
you if you wanted to get something

2420
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:32,960
going, just put 50,000 in there.

2421
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:34,880
>> I'm going to ask that the 200,000 from

2422
01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:38,480
Bane be moved to the Careway R.

2423
01:45:38,480 --> 01:45:40,159
>> Do we need to change the title or is

2424
01:45:40,159 --> 01:45:42,400
that current Careway RC panel

2425
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:44,080
replacement design repair entrance? Is

2426
01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:45,679
that good enough for both entrances?

2427
01:45:45,679 --> 01:45:47,679
>> Excuse me. You're moving. You want to

2428
01:45:47,679 --> 01:45:50,480
move You want to not do Bane Road.

2429
01:45:50,480 --> 01:45:51,600
>> They're saying that it's going to be

2430
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:54,560
done this year,

2431
01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:55,920
>> so we won't need that. it was going to

2432
01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:56,639
come off anyways.

2433
01:45:56,639 --> 01:45:59,520
>> Are we certain of that?

2434
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:02,000
>> You're absolutely certain of that?

2435
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:03,920
>> I I don't believe that I said Bane Road

2436
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:05,920
would be done this year.

2437
01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:08,239
>> So, no. I would recommend you not do

2438
01:46:08,239 --> 01:46:09,280
that.

2439
01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:11,440
>> Bane Bane Road. Let just just so

2440
01:46:11,440 --> 01:46:13,360
everybody knows that the plan with the

2441
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:15,520
county based on the interlocal that you

2442
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:18,560
all executed on Monday. Um they're going

2443
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:20,800
to try to get to Bane Road first. The

2444
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:23,520
countyy's targeting the end of August,

2445
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:25,199
but it'll probably be September. And

2446
01:46:25,199 --> 01:46:27,679
then I don't know how how and when they

2447
01:46:27,679 --> 01:46:28,880
bill you.

2448
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:30,480
>> I don't know exactly how long it's going

2449
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:33,040
to take them. So So Bane and Maxwell are

2450
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:35,360
probably will start this year, but the

2451
01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:36,880
funds will probably need to carry over

2452
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:39,440
into next year. Well, I would leave it

2453
01:46:39,440 --> 01:46:39,920
in

2454
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:42,560
>> Bane is in the current year and I just

2455
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:44,560
showed it on here because at the time I

2456
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:47,040
did this, we didn't expect it would

2457
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:50,480
start before the end of the year, but I

2458
01:46:50,480 --> 01:46:53,440
can move it back. I mean, it's not it's

2459
01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:56,000
currently it's 26.

2460
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:58,639
>> So, if we start our original budget?

2461
01:46:58,639 --> 01:47:00,560
>> Yes, it was in our original budget.

2462
01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:01,280
>> Okay. So,

2463
01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:04,239
>> then move it back to 2526. Correct. And

2464
01:47:04,239 --> 01:47:06,560
what is not if it's not expended,

2465
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:08,000
>> it'll carry forward. Yes.

2466
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:10,000
>> And then I think on the Careway RC panel

2467
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:12,400
we put in this year's budget. Right now

2468
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:13,760
it's 60,000.

2469
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:15,520
>> No. Well, in this

2470
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:18,480
>> so I say we put 60,000 in the 2020. So

2471
01:47:18,480 --> 01:47:20,480
we at least put the 60 we carry that

2472
01:47:20,480 --> 01:47:21,840
over.

2473
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:23,199
>> I would like to put a little bit more

2474
01:47:23,199 --> 01:47:24,960
just in case it just in case it is a

2475
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:27,119
simple fix and they get in there and

2476
01:47:27,119 --> 01:47:29,360
they're like, "Hey, we we can like you

2477
01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:31,679
said $100,000 can correct this. We have

2478
01:47:31,679 --> 01:47:33,760
it available." And if not, it carries

2479
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:34,880
and it's

2480
01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:36,480
>> So you want to double it to 120 or you

2481
01:47:36,480 --> 01:47:37,920
want to do um

2482
01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:38,239
>> Sure.

2483
01:47:38,239 --> 01:47:39,280
>> You also have contingencies. So

2484
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:40,880
>> Sure. If we if we do 120, I feel like

2485
01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:42,560
that's enough to get them moving.

2486
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:45,520
>> So 120,000 is what we're both proposing

2487
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:49,520
into the Careway RC panel replacement.

2488
01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:50,639
>> Um request.

2489
01:47:50,639 --> 01:47:52,080
>> That's both locations.

2490
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:52,480
>> 20.

2491
01:47:52,480 --> 01:47:54,400
>> Yes, both locations. If we need to

2492
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:56,000
change the verbiage.

2493
01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:58,560
>> So is that an additional 60 or an

2494
01:47:58,560 --> 01:47:59,840
additional 120?

2495
01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:00,800
>> Public works.

2496
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:02,560
>> 120 total. 122.

2497
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:04,480
>> And can we just add an s to repair

2498
01:48:04,480 --> 01:48:06,320
entrances

2499
01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:08,159
so we're clear? It's both the entrances.

2500
01:48:08,159 --> 01:48:10,000
>> Repair entrance. What?

2501
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:11,679
>> We're just going to change put an s on

2502
01:48:11,679 --> 01:48:14,000
the end of the sentence. So it infers

2503
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:16,480
both entrances instead of entrance.

2504
01:48:16,480 --> 01:48:17,040
>> Okay.

2505
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:19,280
>> Is I know this has been on public works

2506
01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:22,400
and engineering's radar and list for

2507
01:48:22,400 --> 01:48:24,960
three years at least. So I think what

2508
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:26,400
you're hearing from the council, come up

2509
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:28,800
with a solution and do it.

2510
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:29,600
>> Just do it.

2511
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:32,639
>> Yes. put on your Nikes and just do it.

2512
01:48:32,639 --> 01:48:34,960
>> Understood.

2513
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:37,600
>> I was going to make a joke a while ago,

2514
01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:39,679
but that our projects start from west to

2515
01:48:39,679 --> 01:48:41,360
east. And so that's why Careway is not

2516
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:42,960
there yet. It's like we're on your 10ear

2517
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:44,080
plan, but

2518
01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:46,400
>> carowway will love that. [laughter]

2519
01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:55,270
>> That was a joke. That was that was

2520
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:56,880
» Are we done with the special funds?

2521
01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:57,920
>> Yes.

2522
01:48:57,920 --> 01:49:00,000
we are.

2523
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:03,040
All right, I propose at uh let's take a

2524
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:06,480
five minute break. Uh recess the open

2525
01:49:06,480 --> 01:49:09,600
session at 10:38. We return back in five

2526
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:24,070
minutes. That would be good.

2527
01:49:24,080 --> 02:03:02,950
No,

2528
02:03:02,960 --> 02:03:06,719
Thank you. I call the uh

2529
02:03:06,719 --> 02:03:09,199
this council meeting back into session

2530
02:03:09,199 --> 02:03:13,119
at uh 10:52 a.m.

2531
02:03:13,119 --> 02:03:15,520
All right. Uh thank you for the uh

2532
02:03:15,520 --> 02:03:17,679
presentations, Marcy. Okay. We're going

2533
02:03:17,679 --> 02:03:20,639
to pick up uh at the end of where we

2534
02:03:20,639 --> 02:03:23,199
left off at the previous workshop and

2535
02:03:23,199 --> 02:03:27,599
that is uh the

2536
02:03:27,599 --> 02:03:29,520
excuse me

2537
02:03:29,520 --> 02:03:31,840
get this turn here

2538
02:03:31,840 --> 02:03:37,199
is the uh capital projects and uh Mr.

2539
02:03:37,199 --> 02:03:40,080
Anderson will weave in and out during

2540
02:03:40,080 --> 02:03:44,080
this, but we'll have water, sewer,

2541
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:47,119
streets, facilities, and capital

2542
02:03:47,119 --> 02:03:49,679
equipment. That's all under capital

2543
02:03:49,679 --> 02:03:52,480
request.

2544
02:03:52,480 --> 02:03:54,960
Starting with the water, sewer system

2545
02:03:54,960 --> 02:03:57,920
capital improvements.

2546
02:03:57,920 --> 02:04:00,560
There have been uh several

2547
02:04:00,560 --> 02:04:04,960
uh sheets developed on this. I think the

2548
02:04:04,960 --> 02:04:08,719
one you've got in front of you right now

2549
02:04:08,719 --> 02:04:12,960
uh is called the necessity

2550
02:04:12,960 --> 02:04:15,520
list. Is that correct, Mr. Anderson?

2551
02:04:15,520 --> 02:04:16,480
>> Yes, mayor. That's correct.

2552
02:04:16,480 --> 02:04:18,719
>> And that's uh for four-year look at

2553
02:04:18,719 --> 02:04:19,760
>> that's correct.

2554
02:04:19,760 --> 02:04:24,480
>> Okay. Now, I will tell you is uh um

2555
02:04:24,480 --> 02:04:28,239
Belchiff and Associates submitted a a

2556
02:04:28,239 --> 02:04:31,040
10-year outlook

2557
02:04:31,040 --> 02:04:35,840
on water, sewer, and roads. And that

2558
02:04:35,840 --> 02:04:39,840
10-year outlook was a now that included

2559
02:04:39,840 --> 02:04:43,280
everybody's I'll call it wish list.

2560
02:04:43,280 --> 02:04:46,000
And

2561
02:04:46,000 --> 02:04:48,480
that was

2562
02:04:48,480 --> 02:04:50,320
at that time something may have changed

2563
02:04:50,320 --> 02:04:52,960
but it was $18

2564
02:04:52,960 --> 02:04:54,719
million

2565
02:04:54,719 --> 02:04:58,000
over the next 10 years. So that is an

2566
02:04:58,000 --> 02:05:02,000
average of $10.8 million a year starting

2567
02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:05,679
this year. That is just not feasible.

2568
02:05:05,679 --> 02:05:11,760
And uh so I I asked uh uh Belfist

2569
02:05:11,760 --> 02:05:17,199
Associates to produce a necessity plan.

2570
02:05:17,199 --> 02:05:19,280
Now I was able to and what we're looking

2571
02:05:19,280 --> 02:05:22,880
for is necessity plan over the next 10

2572
02:05:22,880 --> 02:05:26,400
years. What we do have to present to you

2573
02:05:26,400 --> 02:05:28,800
is four years

2574
02:05:28,800 --> 02:05:33,520
and that is uh inclusive of the 26 27

2575
02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:35,360
budget year.

2576
02:05:35,360 --> 02:05:38,719
So, um, Mr. Anderson, if you want to

2577
02:05:38,719 --> 02:05:40,880
take it from there and reference, I

2578
02:05:40,880 --> 02:05:42,480
assume you're going to reference your

2579
02:05:42,480 --> 02:05:46,080
printout that you have before us.

2580
02:05:46,080 --> 02:05:48,719
Yes, Mayor. Thank you. Um, everybody

2581
02:05:48,719 --> 02:05:52,320
have their 11 by7. We want to start, if

2582
02:05:52,320 --> 02:05:55,199
you don't mind, with the smaller portion

2583
02:05:55,199 --> 02:05:59,840
of projects, uh, water and sewer.

2584
02:05:59,840 --> 02:06:02,159
>> Yes, sir. Five.

2585
02:06:02,159 --> 02:06:06,400
>> Uh, this would be um

2586
02:06:06,400 --> 02:06:08,800
>> three of nine. I'm sorry. Three of nine.

2587
02:06:08,800 --> 02:06:10,480
It's turned the wrong way for me.

2588
02:06:10,480 --> 02:06:16,070
>> Here we go.

2589
02:06:16,080 --> 02:06:18,239
» So, so as the mayor mentioned, we we do

2590
02:06:18,239 --> 02:06:20,400
have a 10-year uh capital improvement

2591
02:06:20,400 --> 02:06:23,440
plan that we assembled for water and

2592
02:06:23,440 --> 02:06:26,639
sewer projects. Um those documents have

2593
02:06:26,639 --> 02:06:28,400
put been put together in accordance with

2594
02:06:28,400 --> 02:06:31,679
state law um to basically go through and

2595
02:06:31,679 --> 02:06:35,440
allow us to update and amend your uh

2596
02:06:35,440 --> 02:06:39,599
impact fee program. Uh in addition um

2597
02:06:39,599 --> 02:06:43,679
these projects also uh help us identify

2598
02:06:43,679 --> 02:06:45,520
improvements to the system that need to

2599
02:06:45,520 --> 02:06:48,719
be done oversizing to certain uh

2600
02:06:48,719 --> 02:06:51,440
facilities uh as it relates to

2601
02:06:51,440 --> 02:06:53,040
development. So, one thing I think that

2602
02:06:53,040 --> 02:06:55,760
might help everybody if you could also

2603
02:06:55,760 --> 02:06:59,199
um let's pull out your water system

2604
02:06:59,199 --> 02:07:01,119
10-year capital improvement plan exhibit

2605
02:07:01,119 --> 02:07:02,719
if you don't mind. That would just be

2606
02:07:02,719 --> 02:07:06,400
this portrait exhibit labeled water down

2607
02:07:06,400 --> 02:07:12,629
in the bottom right.

2608
02:07:12,639 --> 02:07:16,639
And you'll note on here that there's um

2609
02:07:16,639 --> 02:07:18,800
several projects highlighted uh

2610
02:07:18,800 --> 02:07:21,520
approximately 10 of them in yellow on

2611
02:07:21,520 --> 02:07:23,760
the sheet. And those have uh been

2612
02:07:23,760 --> 02:07:26,079
developed through the modeling effort

2613
02:07:26,079 --> 02:07:29,280
and the uh hydraulic calculations that

2614
02:07:29,280 --> 02:07:31,199
have been performed uh during the master

2615
02:07:31,199 --> 02:07:34,400
planning process based on uh current

2616
02:07:34,400 --> 02:07:38,719
land use designations um as adopted by

2617
02:07:38,719 --> 02:07:41,599
the city. Uh so you'll note that we did

2618
02:07:41,599 --> 02:07:44,159
have some money in this budget to

2619
02:07:44,159 --> 02:07:46,239
potentially go through and update this

2620
02:07:46,239 --> 02:07:49,440
plan. We've we've heard discussions uh

2621
02:07:49,440 --> 02:07:51,440
this past year about the possibility of

2622
02:07:51,440 --> 02:07:53,920
a thoroughare plan change. There's been

2623
02:07:53,920 --> 02:07:56,239
discussions about land use discussions

2624
02:07:56,239 --> 02:07:59,679
and changes. And so typically what we do

2625
02:07:59,679 --> 02:08:03,119
as the engineer with the city is we take

2626
02:08:03,119 --> 02:08:05,599
uh assumptions whether those are roadway

2627
02:08:05,599 --> 02:08:07,920
assumptions or land use assumptions and

2628
02:08:07,920 --> 02:08:10,400
develop a hydraulic model and that's how

2629
02:08:10,400 --> 02:08:12,800
we figure out what needs to be done to

2630
02:08:12,800 --> 02:08:15,040
your system so that the water keeps

2631
02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:18,719
flowing so to speak. Uh we meet our TCQ

2632
02:08:18,719 --> 02:08:21,360
minimums and we provide for a reasonable

2633
02:08:21,360 --> 02:08:23,360
level of fire protection in the city.

2634
02:08:23,360 --> 02:08:26,880
Okay. So, this list um was developed

2635
02:08:26,880 --> 02:08:29,679
initially back in 2021 and we kind of go

2636
02:08:29,679 --> 02:08:30,960
through every year. It's kind of a

2637
02:08:30,960 --> 02:08:32,960
living document, but when we need to

2638
02:08:32,960 --> 02:08:34,560
make wholesale changes, like if you're

2639
02:08:34,560 --> 02:08:36,560
going to change the future land use

2640
02:08:36,560 --> 02:08:40,000
designation from let's say

2641
02:08:40,000 --> 02:08:42,639
residential to multifamily, single

2642
02:08:42,639 --> 02:08:44,639
family, residential, multif family,

2643
02:08:44,639 --> 02:08:46,639
that's a different type of need from the

2644
02:08:46,639 --> 02:08:49,119
water system. Uh, same thing could be

2645
02:08:49,119 --> 02:08:51,760
said for fire protection for an

2646
02:08:51,760 --> 02:08:53,520
industrial site as opposed to single

2647
02:08:53,520 --> 02:08:56,079
family. So, just wanted to get some of

2648
02:08:56,079 --> 02:08:58,560
that background for you. Um, you'll also

2649
02:08:58,560 --> 02:09:00,079
note that the sheet that you have in

2650
02:09:00,079 --> 02:09:01,599
front of you, the four-year outlook that

2651
02:09:01,599 --> 02:09:04,000
we did, we've got one project on there.

2652
02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:06,560
Okay. What what that means is we've got

2653
02:09:06,560 --> 02:09:08,320
funding and we're under designer

2654
02:09:08,320 --> 02:09:10,400
construction with the with the high

2655
02:09:10,400 --> 02:09:12,560
priority projects, the highest priority

2656
02:09:12,560 --> 02:09:14,880
projects, those being projects one

2657
02:09:14,880 --> 02:09:17,040
through three. And we've got additional

2658
02:09:17,040 --> 02:09:18,560
projects

2659
02:09:18,560 --> 02:09:22,079
five through 10 um that need to get done

2660
02:09:22,079 --> 02:09:23,840
at some point that are development

2661
02:09:23,840 --> 02:09:26,320
driven. Um

2662
02:09:26,320 --> 02:09:29,520
for instance, project 4, you'll see a a

2663
02:09:29,520 --> 02:09:31,199
meter station improvement off Bonds

2664
02:09:31,199 --> 02:09:34,719
Ranch Road and a transmission line as

2665
02:09:34,719 --> 02:09:37,440
well as a second second tank at the FM

2666
02:09:37,440 --> 02:09:39,840
156 pump station that we're getting

2667
02:09:39,840 --> 02:09:42,639
under construction with. Um, we know

2668
02:09:42,639 --> 02:09:44,079
that we're going to need more water

2669
02:09:44,079 --> 02:09:46,400
coming out of Fort Worth to serve the

2670
02:09:46,400 --> 02:09:48,560
ultimate population of Hasslet. What we

2671
02:09:48,560 --> 02:09:50,000
don't know is we don't know whether

2672
02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:51,840
we're going to get that from meter

2673
02:09:51,840 --> 02:09:53,840
station number three on Bonds Ranch Road

2674
02:09:53,840 --> 02:09:56,400
down at the bottom of the page or if we

2675
02:09:56,400 --> 02:09:59,040
need to pivot and go try to pull more

2676
02:09:59,040 --> 02:10:02,000
water out of meter station 4, uh, which

2677
02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:04,400
is over by the Harmon Road elevated tank

2678
02:10:04,400 --> 02:10:06,719
and build a second ground storage tank

2679
02:10:06,719 --> 02:10:08,880
over there and improve the pump station.

2680
02:10:08,880 --> 02:10:11,119
So those those discussions are fluid and

2681
02:10:11,119 --> 02:10:13,440
ongoing. And if you'll note over there

2682
02:10:13,440 --> 02:10:15,360
in the remarks column far right hand

2683
02:10:15,360 --> 02:10:17,679
side of my spreadsheet, we say city of

2684
02:10:17,679 --> 02:10:20,239
Fort Worth coordination contract

2685
02:10:20,239 --> 02:10:22,639
amendment may be required. So we can

2686
02:10:22,639 --> 02:10:24,719
only pull water from them where it's

2687
02:10:24,719 --> 02:10:26,239
available. Right? They have a very

2688
02:10:26,239 --> 02:10:29,760
massive system. They may say, "Well, you

2689
02:10:29,760 --> 02:10:31,440
need additional million gallons a day.

2690
02:10:31,440 --> 02:10:32,960
We'd like you to take three quarters of

2691
02:10:32,960 --> 02:10:34,880
it from here and a quarter of it from

2692
02:10:34,880 --> 02:10:39,360
there." So um right now our plan is to

2693
02:10:39,360 --> 02:10:41,360
um take water additional water needed

2694
02:10:41,360 --> 02:10:43,920
from meter station 3 but as we move

2695
02:10:43,920 --> 02:10:45,599
through this next year year and a half

2696
02:10:45,599 --> 02:10:47,440
and we get into the discussions with

2697
02:10:47,440 --> 02:10:49,440
Fort Worth that project may look a

2698
02:10:49,440 --> 02:10:50,480
little different. We may be doing

2699
02:10:50,480 --> 02:10:52,880
something on Harmon Road. So you know

2700
02:10:52,880 --> 02:10:56,560
we're we're kind of beholden to TR to uh

2701
02:10:56,560 --> 02:10:58,159
city of Fort Worth as our wholesale

2702
02:10:58,159 --> 02:11:00,239
provider. So we have to be able to

2703
02:11:00,239 --> 02:11:02,320
participate in projects and and do what

2704
02:11:02,320 --> 02:11:04,960
we can to get sewer to them or water

2705
02:11:04,960 --> 02:11:07,760
from them. So the good news is the high

2706
02:11:07,760 --> 02:11:10,719
priority projects are are are funded

2707
02:11:10,719 --> 02:11:12,800
under construction under design uh

2708
02:11:12,800 --> 02:11:15,920
various stages. We do have uh one

2709
02:11:15,920 --> 02:11:18,719
project that we anticipate needs to get

2710
02:11:18,719 --> 02:11:21,599
started by 2728

2711
02:11:21,599 --> 02:11:24,480
um on the on the front end of things and

2712
02:11:24,480 --> 02:11:27,599
would need to be in place by about 29

2713
02:11:27,599 --> 02:11:30,960
2030. So [clears throat] um I don't know

2714
02:11:30,960 --> 02:11:32,480
if there's any any questions

2715
02:11:32,480 --> 02:11:35,040
specifically on on the water projects

2716
02:11:35,040 --> 02:11:36,320
here.

2717
02:11:36,320 --> 02:11:38,480
>> So this three and a half million sorry

2718
02:11:38,480 --> 02:11:40,719
in 2030

2719
02:11:40,719 --> 02:11:43,520
right am I reading this correctly? Yes.

2720
02:11:43,520 --> 02:11:45,440
>> And that's as our impact fees go down

2721
02:11:45,440 --> 02:11:46,960
because we won't be having residential

2722
02:11:46,960 --> 02:11:48,880
buildout anymore.

2723
02:11:48,880 --> 02:11:51,599
>> Am I right, Marcy?

2724
02:11:51,599 --> 02:11:52,000
>> Yeah.

2725
02:11:52,000 --> 02:11:55,360
>> I I would like to qualify. Impact fees

2726
02:11:55,360 --> 02:11:57,920
are not solely dependent upon

2727
02:11:57,920 --> 02:12:01,679
residential. Any project that gets built

2728
02:12:01,679 --> 02:12:04,480
that requires water and sewer will

2729
02:12:04,480 --> 02:12:08,480
collect whether it's residential uh

2730
02:12:08,480 --> 02:12:12,239
commercial retail or industrial

2731
02:12:12,239 --> 02:12:14,960
facilities collect impact fees.

2732
02:12:14,960 --> 02:12:17,599
>> Sure. But my point is we don't have an

2733
02:12:17,599 --> 02:12:19,119
unending supply of money coming in

2734
02:12:19,119 --> 02:12:20,400
because some of those impact fees are

2735
02:12:20,400 --> 02:12:21,280
going to go away.

2736
02:12:21,280 --> 02:12:22,480
>> That will Yes.

2737
02:12:22,480 --> 02:12:24,880
>> That's what I'm trying to say. So when

2738
02:12:24,880 --> 02:12:26,560
I'm I'm not trying to jump on you or be

2739
02:12:26,560 --> 02:12:28,079
rude. Please don't take it that I'm just

2740
02:12:28,079 --> 02:12:31,520
trying trying to say 2930 when we need

2741
02:12:31,520 --> 02:12:33,440
three and a half million. We don't know

2742
02:12:33,440 --> 02:12:34,480
where that three and a half million is

2743
02:12:34,480 --> 02:12:36,400
going to come from. That's the problem.

2744
02:12:36,400 --> 02:12:38,341
>> We don't um one of the things that

2745
02:12:38,341 --> 02:12:39,280
[clears throat] the mayor asked me to

2746
02:12:39,280 --> 02:12:41,280
do, you'll see that funding column right

2747
02:12:41,280 --> 02:12:44,560
there on the next to status kind of in

2748
02:12:44,560 --> 02:12:46,639
front of it's cut off. It says impact

2749
02:12:46,639 --> 02:12:47,760
fee eligible

2750
02:12:47,760 --> 02:12:49,840
>> and then there's a funding status and we

2751
02:12:49,840 --> 02:12:52,400
have if

2752
02:12:52,400 --> 02:12:54,079
right so what we were trying to do there

2753
02:12:54,079 --> 02:12:56,960
is say a potential funding mechanism for

2754
02:12:56,960 --> 02:12:58,880
that. Yes sir. Water sewer water sewer

2755
02:12:58,880 --> 02:12:59,599
rates.

2756
02:12:59,599 --> 02:13:01,040
>> And one of the things I wanted to bring

2757
02:13:01,040 --> 02:13:03,840
up and we we'll get more into this as we

2758
02:13:03,840 --> 02:13:06,800
reconvene with the CIA and back into our

2759
02:13:06,800 --> 02:13:09,280
discussions on the impact fee. Um

2760
02:13:09,280 --> 02:13:12,400
Hasslet's really missed the the

2761
02:13:12,400 --> 02:13:15,440
opportunity to capture the the the water

2762
02:13:15,440 --> 02:13:17,119
and sewer impact fees based on

2763
02:13:17,119 --> 02:13:19,199
residential development. The mayor spoke

2764
02:13:19,199 --> 02:13:20,719
to that. You can look at the land use

2765
02:13:20,719 --> 02:13:23,040
plan and see that there's very limited

2766
02:13:23,040 --> 02:13:24,800
potential future single family

2767
02:13:24,800 --> 02:13:27,760
residential growth in the city. Um there

2768
02:13:27,760 --> 02:13:30,560
is uh quite quite a bit more potential

2769
02:13:30,560 --> 02:13:33,199
for industrial commercial type growth in

2770
02:13:33,199 --> 02:13:35,280
the city. One of the things that we'll

2771
02:13:35,280 --> 02:13:37,280
need to look at for you all moving

2772
02:13:37,280 --> 02:13:40,800
forward is the potential that the impact

2773
02:13:40,800 --> 02:13:42,719
fees. You may want to do away with your

2774
02:13:42,719 --> 02:13:45,760
impact fees. And as a project comes in,

2775
02:13:45,760 --> 02:13:48,000
you look at the needs of the system and

2776
02:13:48,000 --> 02:13:51,280
you negotiate or help the uh particular

2777
02:13:51,280 --> 02:13:53,760
development come in and pay for a

2778
02:13:53,760 --> 02:13:55,199
certain portion of some of these

2779
02:13:55,199 --> 02:13:57,920
projects because an impact fee is

2780
02:13:57,920 --> 02:14:00,000
basically we take all these these

2781
02:14:00,000 --> 02:14:02,239
projects and I'm just I'm simplifying

2782
02:14:02,239 --> 02:14:04,560
this here. take all these 10 projects,

2783
02:14:04,560 --> 02:14:06,639
they add up to hund00 million. We cut it

2784
02:14:06,639 --> 02:14:08,480
in half because we have to give them 50%

2785
02:14:08,480 --> 02:14:10,960
credit, that being the developer, and

2786
02:14:10,960 --> 02:14:12,960
then we're charging 50 million or we're

2787
02:14:12,960 --> 02:14:15,920
trying to recoup $50 million over that

2788
02:14:15,920 --> 02:14:18,239
expected growth during this next 10-year

2789
02:14:18,239 --> 02:14:20,320
planning period. Well, if we don't

2790
02:14:20,320 --> 02:14:22,719
anticipate much residential growth, that

2791
02:14:22,719 --> 02:14:25,040
number becomes extremely high, right?

2792
02:14:25,040 --> 02:14:27,920
Instead of $2,000 per lot, it could be

2793
02:14:27,920 --> 02:14:30,239
$47,000 if you're trying to pay for

2794
02:14:30,239 --> 02:14:32,239
everything with impact fees. So the

2795
02:14:32,239 --> 02:14:35,440
other option is to work with development

2796
02:14:35,440 --> 02:14:38,480
as they come in and get things built on

2797
02:14:38,480 --> 02:14:40,880
an asneeded basis with a particular

2798
02:14:40,880 --> 02:14:44,079
project. A great example of this is the

2799
02:14:44,079 --> 02:14:46,239
Harmon Road Blue Mountain intersection

2800
02:14:46,239 --> 02:14:48,320
for the for the Ironwood project. Now

2801
02:14:48,320 --> 02:14:49,920
that's a street project, but it'll work

2802
02:14:49,920 --> 02:14:52,000
for this uh example that I'm going to

2803
02:14:52,000 --> 02:14:55,280
give you. uh your your ordinance says

2804
02:14:55,280 --> 02:14:58,000
they have to build their prorat a share

2805
02:14:58,000 --> 02:14:59,760
of whatever is necessary for the

2806
02:14:59,760 --> 02:15:03,119
adjacent roadway. We negotiated with the

2807
02:15:03,119 --> 02:15:04,719
developer to come in and reconstruct

2808
02:15:04,719 --> 02:15:07,199
that entire intersection, right? As part

2809
02:15:07,199 --> 02:15:09,360
of the pre-annexation deal that was

2810
02:15:09,360 --> 02:15:12,159
negotiated with the developer. So that

2811
02:15:12,159 --> 02:15:14,480
same type of concept can and probably

2812
02:15:14,480 --> 02:15:16,960
should be applied to future water and

2813
02:15:16,960 --> 02:15:18,400
sewer projects. And one of the things

2814
02:15:18,400 --> 02:15:20,560
that we're trying to move forward with

2815
02:15:20,560 --> 02:15:23,840
as we reconvene with the with the CIA

2816
02:15:23,840 --> 02:15:25,840
and and all the laws have changed and

2817
02:15:25,840 --> 02:15:27,679
it's it's getting harder and harder for

2818
02:15:27,679 --> 02:15:30,000
cities to pay for things with impact

2819
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:32,800
fees is where this is going. And so I

2820
02:15:32,800 --> 02:15:34,960
think one of the things that we probably

2821
02:15:34,960 --> 02:15:36,960
should look at in conjunction with any

2822
02:15:36,960 --> 02:15:38,560
changes to the Thoroughare plan or the

2823
02:15:38,560 --> 02:15:41,040
land use plan is a wholesale look and

2824
02:15:41,040 --> 02:15:44,000
discussion about how these projects may

2825
02:15:44,000 --> 02:15:45,679
be may be funded in the future because

2826
02:15:45,679 --> 02:15:47,040
you're right, the impact fees are going

2827
02:15:47,040 --> 02:15:49,920
down. The impact fees um weren't high

2828
02:15:49,920 --> 02:15:51,840
enough to begin with and a lot of those

2829
02:15:51,840 --> 02:15:53,920
impact fees as you can see going through

2830
02:15:53,920 --> 02:15:56,320
the records here have been rebated or

2831
02:15:56,320 --> 02:15:58,320
credited back. Right? So you're you're

2832
02:15:58,320 --> 02:16:00,560
kind of you're running out of you're

2833
02:16:00,560 --> 02:16:02,239
running out of those impact fees to pay

2834
02:16:02,239 --> 02:16:03,679
for future improvements.

2835
02:16:03,679 --> 02:16:06,320
>> The only as I'm going to add to that

2836
02:16:06,320 --> 02:16:09,520
well one uh current legislation or the

2837
02:16:09,520 --> 02:16:14,320
legislation on that um

2838
02:16:14,320 --> 02:16:16,079
infrastructure reimbursement by

2839
02:16:16,079 --> 02:16:20,400
developers has to be studied. Uh the uh

2840
02:16:20,400 --> 02:16:24,000
impact fee is

2841
02:16:24,000 --> 02:16:28,239
for the most part has been used to

2842
02:16:28,239 --> 02:16:31,679
when these water and sewer lines were

2843
02:16:31,679 --> 02:16:33,519
upgraded

2844
02:16:33,519 --> 02:16:37,679
and anticipation of development coming

2845
02:16:37,679 --> 02:16:42,880
the impact fee. legislation allowed

2846
02:16:42,880 --> 02:16:45,280
the municipality to charge that

2847
02:16:45,280 --> 02:16:48,000
development a certain amount of money.

2848
02:16:48,000 --> 02:16:50,080
It was pre-built. Now you're going to

2849
02:16:50,080 --> 02:16:52,639
pay your fair share of that line. That's

2850
02:16:52,639 --> 02:16:54,719
one aspect of it. But also the impact

2851
02:16:54,719 --> 02:17:00,000
fee is collected to build a requirement

2852
02:17:00,000 --> 02:17:03,599
of a water and sewer line to serve a

2853
02:17:03,599 --> 02:17:06,080
particular development.

2854
02:17:06,080 --> 02:17:11,429
The only um

2855
02:17:11,439 --> 02:17:14,000
now what we do charge is maximum allowed

2856
02:17:14,000 --> 02:17:16,960
by law.

2857
02:17:16,960 --> 02:17:20,790
We do do that.

2858
02:17:20,800 --> 02:17:23,439
But the negotiation

2859
02:17:23,439 --> 02:17:26,880
u I will that's that's good if it works

2860
02:17:26,880 --> 02:17:29,359
but that's a casebyase basis. We'll have

2861
02:17:29,359 --> 02:17:34,639
to study that uh explicitly and see um

2862
02:17:34,639 --> 02:17:38,080
if that is viable. The project that uh

2863
02:17:38,080 --> 02:17:42,000
Mr. Anderson spoke of is that was a very

2864
02:17:42,000 --> 02:17:44,399
unique case.

2865
02:17:44,399 --> 02:17:49,760
Developer wanted that project that bad.

2866
02:17:49,760 --> 02:17:53,760
He goes, "Okay, I'll build the road."

2867
02:17:53,760 --> 02:17:57,679
And um it worked out well. And he was in

2868
02:17:57,679 --> 02:17:59,439
fact he was rather generous, very

2869
02:17:59,439 --> 02:18:02,399
generous in doing so. That's a $4

2870
02:18:02,399 --> 02:18:05,519
million piece of roadway he's building

2871
02:18:05,519 --> 02:18:09,359
at his total cost. Anyway, the the but

2872
02:18:09,359 --> 02:18:11,120
yes, these are conversations that we

2873
02:18:11,120 --> 02:18:14,000
have to have, but we have to uh exercise

2874
02:18:14,000 --> 02:18:19,040
sound judgment. Right now, we got the uh legislation, the state law behind us

2875
02:18:19,040 --> 02:18:22,240
with regard to impact fees.

2876
02:18:22,240 --> 02:18:23,840
>> Go ahead.

2877
02:18:23,840 --> 02:18:27,120
>> I think we just need to plan because if,

2878
02:18:27,120 --> 02:18:28,639
as you said, our impact fees are going

2879
02:18:28,639 --> 02:18:30,960
down and our impact needs are still

2880
02:18:30,960 --> 02:18:31,920
going to be there and we're going to

2881
02:18:31,920 --> 02:18:33,760
need this is just one project three and

2882
02:18:33,760 --> 02:18:36,319
a half million in four years from now.

2883
02:18:36,319 --> 02:18:37,599
So, this is what I was trying to get to

2884
02:18:37,599 --> 02:18:39,359
earlier about we need to have a 5year

2885
02:18:39,359 --> 02:18:40,960
lookout or a 10ear lookout or whatever

2886
02:18:40,960 --> 02:18:43,519
of all of this because our funding

2887
02:18:43,519 --> 02:18:45,120
sources are going to change and our

2888
02:18:45,120 --> 02:18:47,040
needs are going to go up and we're going

2889
02:18:47,040 --> 02:18:49,200
to have projects to do and we can't just

2890
02:18:49,200 --> 02:18:51,040
all of a sudden say, "Oh, well, we need

2891
02:18:51,040 --> 02:18:52,719
a $100 million bond." I mean, that

2892
02:18:52,719 --> 02:18:54,880
doesn't work. So we just need to start

2893
02:18:54,880 --> 02:18:56,559
looking at you know are there ways that

2894
02:18:56,559 --> 02:19:00,399
we can plan for the future that makes it

2895
02:19:00,399 --> 02:19:02,639
not such extremes

2896
02:19:02,639 --> 02:19:05,280
>> and we are just to give you insight on

2897
02:19:05,280 --> 02:19:08,399
that Marcy and I have uh had over the

2898
02:19:08,399 --> 02:19:10,960
many many months have discussions what

2899
02:19:10,960 --> 02:19:14,639
we're doing is assembling these I'll

2900
02:19:14,639 --> 02:19:19,200
call it the 10-year necessity plans

2901
02:19:19,200 --> 02:19:22,479
on water sewer roads and capital

2902
02:19:22,479 --> 02:19:25,120
equipment We got scheduled departments

2903
02:19:25,120 --> 02:19:27,760
have scheduled capital equipment that's

2904
02:19:27,760 --> 02:19:30,080
coming. We know when it's coming and

2905
02:19:30,080 --> 02:19:32,559
that is uh runs into the millions of

2906
02:19:32,559 --> 02:19:37,359
dollars and but to put that in front of

2907
02:19:37,359 --> 02:19:40,719
u our um

2908
02:19:40,719 --> 02:19:42,319
broker

2909
02:19:42,319 --> 02:19:43,920
but what do we call him?

2910
02:19:43,920 --> 02:19:47,120
>> They're financial advisor hilltop.

2911
02:19:47,120 --> 02:19:50,880
and look at now that's all

2912
02:19:50,880 --> 02:19:54,240
pointed towards bonds. But how can we

2913
02:19:54,240 --> 02:19:58,319
structure that over the years

2914
02:19:58,319 --> 02:20:01,760
and keep the tax rate somewhat

2915
02:20:01,760 --> 02:20:05,030
consistent

2916
02:20:05,040 --> 02:20:08,880
and that would be one piece of that will

2917
02:20:08,880 --> 02:20:12,960
go into a plan. But that yes, bonds uh

2918
02:20:12,960 --> 02:20:16,640
you know I think it was 22 that we took

2919
02:20:16,640 --> 02:20:21,760
uh uh bond out $17 million and the great

2920
02:20:21,760 --> 02:20:24,319
majority of that was all water and sewer

2921
02:20:24,319 --> 02:20:27,840
every bit of it. Uh so but that project

2922
02:20:27,840 --> 02:20:30,319
is addressing uh projects that we're

2923
02:20:30,319 --> 02:20:33,600
building now.

2924
02:20:33,600 --> 02:20:36,000
>> So

2925
02:20:36,000 --> 02:20:36,640
>> Mayor,

2926
02:20:36,640 --> 02:20:39,439
>> yes, a plan is needed. Yes, ma'am. Um, I

2927
02:20:39,439 --> 02:20:41,680
have a few questions. Um, so you were,

2928
02:20:41,680 --> 02:20:44,080
it shows on here four, which I love how

2929
02:20:44,080 --> 02:20:45,200
it all connects now that I'm

2930
02:20:45,200 --> 02:20:47,120
understanding your charts. One, two,

2931
02:20:47,120 --> 02:20:49,680
three are in process this year. Is that

2932
02:20:49,680 --> 02:20:51,439
my understanding?

2933
02:20:51,439 --> 02:20:53,120
>> They're either completed or they're

2934
02:20:53,120 --> 02:20:56,560
funded and under construction or design.

2935
02:20:56,560 --> 02:21:00,080
So, we were just trying to um basically

2936
02:21:00,080 --> 02:21:03,760
capture what was not currently funded,

2937
02:21:03,760 --> 02:21:06,319
but identified as a need, if that makes

2938
02:21:06,319 --> 02:21:06,800
sense.

2939
02:21:06,800 --> 02:21:08,800
>> Got it. I would still love to see five

2940
02:21:08,800 --> 02:21:10,720
through 10 just so we can see the pro

2941
02:21:10,720 --> 02:21:12,319
projection. I I don't want information

2942
02:21:12,319 --> 02:21:13,840
hidden from me so I could better

2943
02:21:13,840 --> 02:21:15,439
understand it. I'd just rather have it

2944
02:21:15,439 --> 02:21:21,439
highlighted. Um but for um

2945
02:21:21,439 --> 02:21:24,000
number five, are are we even though

2946
02:21:24,000 --> 02:21:25,680
we're not looking at starting these

2947
02:21:25,680 --> 02:21:28,720
right now, we know this is incoming

2948
02:21:28,720 --> 02:21:30,319
items that we have to do to keep our

2949
02:21:30,319 --> 02:21:31,920
city running. Like number five, are we

2950
02:21:31,920 --> 02:21:33,520
working on grants for that? because

2951
02:21:33,520 --> 02:21:36,880
grants I mean the water tank

2952
02:21:36,880 --> 02:21:39,200
rehabilitation I mean we could easily

2953
02:21:39,200 --> 02:21:42,560
well not we have a good shot at a grant

2954
02:21:42,560 --> 02:21:46,399
um that could cover it from um I always

2955
02:21:46,399 --> 02:21:48,800
get the acronymics up TWWDB grants

2956
02:21:48,800 --> 02:21:50,160
they're pretty common especially for

2957
02:21:50,160 --> 02:21:52,319
small cities like us are we looking into

2958
02:21:52,319 --> 02:21:54,319
those items because th they can cover up

2959
02:21:54,319 --> 02:21:57,359
to 100% of the water tower rehab

2960
02:21:57,359 --> 02:22:00,319
>> yeah we've we've got um we we haven't

2961
02:22:00,319 --> 02:22:03,200
looked into a grant for the rehab there

2962
02:22:03,200 --> 02:22:06,560
funding that was part of the 2022

2963
02:22:06,560 --> 02:22:09,439
issuance um specifically for that

2964
02:22:09,439 --> 02:22:14,800
project. So, I don't know if that may or may not create a problem, but um

2965
02:22:14,800 --> 02:22:17,439
we are aware of the the different um

2966
02:22:17,439 --> 02:22:23,120
TWWDB grants and um we we've got um two

2967
02:22:23,120 --> 02:22:24,880
of those that we're looking at and

2968
02:22:24,880 --> 02:22:27,120
trying to uh work in on the drainage

2969
02:22:27,120 --> 02:22:32,560
side um this fall, but um we don't have

2970
02:22:32,560 --> 02:22:35,600
anything like teed up and ready to go

2971
02:22:35,600 --> 02:22:38,080
for that particular project,

2972
02:22:38,080 --> 02:22:40,319
>> but we do have the uh

2973
02:22:40,319 --> 02:22:43,120
rehabilitation of that tank funded.

2974
02:22:43,120 --> 02:22:43,600
>> Yes, sir.

2975
02:22:43,600 --> 02:22:44,640
>> Fully funded.

2976
02:22:44,640 --> 02:22:46,560
>> Yes.

2977
02:22:46,560 --> 02:22:48,240
>> Through that through the bond that we

2978
02:22:48,240 --> 02:22:49,359
took out in 22.

2979
02:22:49,359 --> 02:22:52,240
>> Yeah. It was 750,000 is what we estimate

2980
02:22:52,240 --> 02:22:55,920
to paint that tank

2981
02:22:55,920 --> 02:22:58,720
>> and but back in 2022.

2982
02:22:58,720 --> 02:23:01,280
>> Yeah. That I I think it was a healthy it

2983
02:23:01,280 --> 02:23:02,800
was a healthy budget that was put

2984
02:23:02,800 --> 02:23:04,880
together in 22.

2985
02:23:04,880 --> 02:23:07,120
So, if we were to apply for a grant and

2986
02:23:07,120 --> 02:23:08,880
get it, there's no way for us to

2987
02:23:08,880 --> 02:23:10,560
reimburse the bond. Wouldn't it be

2988
02:23:10,560 --> 02:23:12,560
better for us to get a free grant then?

2989
02:23:12,560 --> 02:23:13,920
And this is part of the reason why you

2990
02:23:13,920 --> 02:23:15,200
got to be careful when you take bonds

2991
02:23:15,200 --> 02:23:16,000
when you're not ready.

2992
02:23:16,000 --> 02:23:17,439
>> I'd have to consult, we'd have to

2993
02:23:17,439 --> 02:23:21,040
consult with Hill uh Hilltop and Marcy

2994
02:23:21,040 --> 02:23:21,680
and I.

2995
02:23:21,680 --> 02:23:23,280
>> But I think this is a really see how

2996
02:23:23,280 --> 02:23:24,000
that would work.

2997
02:23:24,000 --> 02:23:25,920
>> Good example of why you don't pre-take a

2998
02:23:25,920 --> 02:23:28,880
bond before you're ready to move

2999
02:23:28,880 --> 02:23:32,800
into the active construction or phase of

3000
02:23:32,800 --> 02:23:34,080
it. Because I mean this could

3001
02:23:34,080 --> 02:23:38,399
potentially cost us a 100% grant where

3002
02:23:38,399 --> 02:23:39,600
the city wouldn't have had to pay

3003
02:23:39,600 --> 02:23:40,479
anything.

3004
02:23:40,479 --> 02:23:41,600
>> Make note of that.

3005
02:23:41,600 --> 02:23:44,240
>> Why did we pre like why did we move

3006
02:23:44,240 --> 02:23:45,520
forward with the bond so early for

3007
02:23:45,520 --> 02:23:47,200
something we're not even working on

3008
02:23:47,200 --> 02:23:48,560
actively?

3009
02:23:48,560 --> 02:23:50,160
>> We had it planned,

3010
02:23:50,160 --> 02:23:51,600
>> but we're not doing it right now.

3011
02:23:51,600 --> 02:23:53,200
>> We had it planned. Engineering, you want

3012
02:23:53,200 --> 02:23:55,040
to address that?

3013
02:23:55,040 --> 02:23:57,520
>> So the the rehab of that tank could not

3014
02:23:57,520 --> 02:23:59,760
occur until the pump station is up up

3015
02:23:59,760 --> 02:24:02,880
and running. Uh, one of the things that

3016
02:24:02,880 --> 02:24:05,280
was asked of engineering and public

3017
02:24:05,280 --> 02:24:06,880
works back when the bond was

3018
02:24:06,880 --> 02:24:10,720
contemplated was um, in addition to the

3019
02:24:10,720 --> 02:24:12,720
hydraulic improvements and storage

3020
02:24:12,720 --> 02:24:15,040
improvements, pumping, were there any

3021
02:24:15,040 --> 02:24:18,560
uh, known um,

3022
02:24:18,560 --> 02:24:22,319
uh, maintenance type projects? And that

3023
02:24:22,319 --> 02:24:24,399
was one of them that was determined to

3024
02:24:24,399 --> 02:24:26,080
be necessary due to the tank

3025
02:24:26,080 --> 02:24:28,960
inspections.

3026
02:24:28,960 --> 02:24:31,600
>> Okay. If we pull a bond, it just seems

3027
02:24:31,600 --> 02:24:34,240
like we have a responsibility at that

3028
02:24:34,240 --> 02:24:35,840
point to ensure that those projects are

3029
02:24:35,840 --> 02:24:39,359
moving forward and not re prioritizing

3030
02:24:39,359 --> 02:24:41,600
without that consideration. It's just a

3031
02:24:41,600 --> 02:24:43,520
little interesting that we pulled a bond

3032
02:24:43,520 --> 02:24:46,160
for back in 2022.

3033
02:24:46,160 --> 02:24:48,880
Did we even apply for grants then?

3034
02:24:48,880 --> 02:24:49,840
>> A grant?

3035
02:24:49,840 --> 02:24:50,160
>> Yes.

3036
02:24:50,160 --> 02:24:51,520
>> No, I didn't apply for grant.

3037
02:24:51,520 --> 02:24:53,359
>> Why would we not apply for grants?

3038
02:24:53,359 --> 02:24:57,760
>> I apply for grants that I'm aware of.

3039
02:24:57,760 --> 02:25:00,240
Were you aware of it? Yes.

3040
02:25:00,240 --> 02:25:01,680
>> In 22

3041
02:25:01,680 --> 02:25:04,160
>> I'm aware of grants for water towers

3042
02:25:04,160 --> 02:25:06,080
>> for in 22 you were

3043
02:25:06,080 --> 02:25:07,600
>> okay let's get back on track and not get

3044
02:25:07,600 --> 02:25:10,240
into arguments please I don't know

3045
02:25:10,240 --> 02:25:13,280
>> understood you know is uh a lot of this

3046
02:25:13,280 --> 02:25:15,840
is planning the you know there are some

3047
02:25:15,840 --> 02:25:19,280
projects that we have are dependent upon

3048
02:25:19,280 --> 02:25:26,000
others the this new uh uh $5.6 6 million

3049
02:25:26,000 --> 02:25:28,960
pump station project we're doing is key

3050
02:25:28,960 --> 02:25:31,280
to other projects and we cannot pursue

3051
02:25:31,280 --> 02:25:33,920
until that's done. That pump station

3052
02:25:33,920 --> 02:25:35,760
project has drugged out longer than what

3053
02:25:35,760 --> 02:25:40,960
we expected. It just has and so we can't

3054
02:25:40,960 --> 02:25:44,560
do the water tower rehabilitation till

3055
02:25:44,560 --> 02:25:47,120
that project's online because that

3056
02:25:47,120 --> 02:25:50,160
project is getting a new 1 million

3057
02:25:50,160 --> 02:25:53,200
gallon ground storage tank. We have to

3058
02:25:53,200 --> 02:25:55,439
have the storage capacity to take the

3059
02:25:55,439 --> 02:25:56,560
tower offline.

3060
02:25:56,560 --> 02:25:57,200
>> I understand.

3061
02:25:57,200 --> 02:26:02,070
>> So there there are things that

3062
02:26:02,080 --> 02:26:04,640
are dependent upon the other. Some

3063
02:26:04,640 --> 02:26:07,040
things end up moving slower than what we

3064
02:26:07,040 --> 02:26:07,760
expected.

3065
02:26:07,760 --> 02:26:08,880
>> I do understand that.

3066
02:26:08,880 --> 02:26:11,200
>> Okay. Well, then that's why it wasn't

3067
02:26:11,200 --> 02:26:13,200
intentionally let's take let's borrow

3068
02:26:13,200 --> 02:26:16,479
money uh and we consciously know we're

3069
02:26:16,479 --> 02:26:18,319
going to wait four years before we ever

3070
02:26:18,319 --> 02:26:21,040
spend any of it. No, that that is not

3071
02:26:21,040 --> 02:26:22,960
the thought process. Yes, Mr. Mayor.

3072
02:26:22,960 --> 02:26:23,520
>> Yes.

3073
02:26:23,520 --> 02:26:24,960
>> None of that has anything to do with her

3074
02:26:24,960 --> 02:26:26,240
fundamental question.

3075
02:26:26,240 --> 02:26:27,920
>> Her fundamental her fundamental question

3076
02:26:27,920 --> 02:26:31,040
is why May I finish speaking, please?

3077
02:26:31,040 --> 02:26:32,800
You recognize me and I'm not done

3078
02:26:32,800 --> 02:26:33,359
speaking

3079
02:26:33,359 --> 02:26:35,280
>> before we're ready to do anything.

3080
02:26:35,280 --> 02:26:36,560
>> You recognized me and I wasn't done

3081
02:26:36,560 --> 02:26:37,760
speaking.

3082
02:26:37,760 --> 02:26:40,319
>> Anyway, we go ahead please.

3083
02:26:40,319 --> 02:26:43,040
>> Thank you. You're all that big

3084
02:26:43,040 --> 02:26:44,560
discussion that big explanation had

3085
02:26:44,560 --> 02:26:45,520
nothing to do with her fundamental

3086
02:26:45,520 --> 02:26:48,080
question. Her fundamental question was

3087
02:26:48,080 --> 02:26:50,399
why didn't we try for bonds before we

3088
02:26:50,399 --> 02:26:52,080
went for I mean for grants before we

3089
02:26:52,080 --> 02:26:53,520
went for a bond. That's the fundamental

3090
02:26:53,520 --> 02:26:55,439
question. All of the things you said is

3091
02:26:55,439 --> 02:26:57,040
correct. We have to do this before that.

3092
02:26:57,040 --> 02:26:57,439
>> Yeah.

3093
02:26:57,439 --> 02:26:58,880
>> That doesn't speak to her fundamental

3094
02:26:58,880 --> 02:26:59,280
question.

3095
02:26:59,280 --> 02:27:01,642
>> The the well I I thought I answered

3096
02:27:01,642 --> 02:27:03,280
[clears throat] that. No one in the

3097
02:27:03,280 --> 02:27:07,680
city, no one public works engineering

3098
02:27:07,680 --> 02:27:10,640
partners with engineering was aware of

3099
02:27:10,640 --> 02:27:15,920
any grants for tank rehabilitation.

3100
02:27:15,920 --> 02:27:20,790
No one was aware of it.

3101
02:27:20,800 --> 02:27:23,760
» That's a simple answer.

3102
02:27:23,760 --> 02:27:25,439
>> Okay.

3103
02:27:25,439 --> 02:27:29,680
Thank you. Can we move on, please?

3104
02:27:29,680 --> 02:27:34,070
Anything

3105
02:27:34,080 --> 02:27:39,750
else on water capital?

3106
02:27:39,760 --> 02:27:42,560
» Um, Mike, I just wanted to point out for

3107
02:27:42,560 --> 02:27:46,560
them on or you're you're moving to sewer

3108
02:27:46,560 --> 02:27:47,280
next.

3109
02:27:47,280 --> 02:27:48,479
>> Go ahead, Marcy.

3110
02:27:48,479 --> 02:27:50,960
>> Okay. Um, I was just going to point out

3111
02:27:50,960 --> 02:27:56,160
on page 283 in the water capital

3112
02:27:56,160 --> 02:27:57,120
um

3113
02:27:57,120 --> 02:28:00,150
>> 283

3114
02:28:00,160 --> 02:28:01,920
in the book

3115
02:28:01,920 --> 02:28:05,600
>> 283. Um, just to show that the water

3116
02:28:05,600 --> 02:28:08,800
rate study, the items on Mike's sheet

3117
02:28:08,800 --> 02:28:12,950
from 2627,

3118
02:28:12,960 --> 02:28:16,399
the water rate study for 10,000 and the

3119
02:28:16,399 --> 02:28:19,200
sewer rate study for 10,000.

3120
02:28:19,200 --> 02:28:22,800
Those are listed um

3121
02:28:22,800 --> 02:28:25,760
on I I gave you the wrong sheet. I'm

3122
02:28:25,760 --> 02:28:29,910
sorry. Let's see.

3123
02:28:29,920 --> 02:28:40,790
I moved on to my head.

3124
02:28:40,800 --> 02:28:44,319
Page 163. I'm sorry.

3125
02:28:44,319 --> 02:28:45,280
>> 163.

3126
02:28:45,280 --> 02:28:47,680
>> Yes.

3127
02:28:47,680 --> 02:28:50,640
So, $20,000 for water and sewer rate

3128
02:28:50,640 --> 02:28:52,880
study is in there

3129
02:28:52,880 --> 02:28:58,000
on Mike's project S5 in the sewer.

3130
02:28:58,000 --> 02:29:00,479
165,000

3131
02:29:00,479 --> 02:29:04,160
um for design and engineering is funded

3132
02:29:04,160 --> 02:29:10,080
on that page. And then his project S6

3133
02:29:10,080 --> 02:29:12,479
um 130,000

3134
02:29:12,479 --> 02:29:15,200
for design and engineering

3135
02:29:15,200 --> 02:29:17,120
is funded.

3136
02:29:17,120 --> 02:29:20,000
Um just just so you know where those

3137
02:29:20,000 --> 02:29:23,439
are. The development participation

3138
02:29:23,439 --> 02:29:27,760
um is also funded

3139
02:29:27,760 --> 02:29:31,200
um in the water fund

3140
02:29:31,200 --> 02:29:33,600
and

3141
02:29:33,600 --> 02:29:37,600
the INI reduction is on this page

3142
02:29:37,600 --> 02:29:41,349
100,000

3143
02:29:41,359 --> 02:29:45,120
um develop developer participation is

3144
02:29:45,120 --> 02:29:50,720
combined 515 for both water and sewer is

3145
02:29:50,720 --> 02:29:54,479
that um 103,000.

3146
02:29:54,479 --> 02:29:58,080
So everything that's under his 2627

3147
02:29:58,080 --> 02:30:00,720
column on this page is

3148
02:30:00,720 --> 02:30:02,720
>> funded right there.

3149
02:30:02,720 --> 02:30:05,520
>> And I'm sorry, mayor, I do have a just a

3150
02:30:05,520 --> 02:30:08,960
few more small questions. Um to go back,

3151
02:30:08,960 --> 02:30:12,160
Mike, you said that we have 750,000.

3152
02:30:12,160 --> 02:30:14,080
Have we scheduled an inspection to get

3153
02:30:14,080 --> 02:30:18,960
an estimate of really the condition in

3154
02:30:18,960 --> 02:30:20,160
>> Yeah.

3155
02:30:20,160 --> 02:30:21,760
When's your last when was your last

3156
02:30:21,760 --> 02:30:23,200
Harmon inspection?

3157
02:30:23,200 --> 02:30:24,720
>> Uh, usually it's right around the o

3158
02:30:24,720 --> 02:30:26,800
October. There's another one already

3159
02:30:26,800 --> 02:30:28,720
scheduled. It's going to happen in uh

3160
02:30:28,720 --> 02:30:30,240
November this year, but we do an annual

3161
02:30:30,240 --> 02:30:33,359
inspection by dive and uh basically

3162
02:30:33,359 --> 02:30:35,760
there's no the coating is long past

3163
02:30:35,760 --> 02:30:37,200
needing to be replaced. There's nothing

3164
02:30:37,200 --> 02:30:39,920
that's critical in that tank that's but

3165
02:30:39,920 --> 02:30:41,520
you don't want to get to a level that's

3166
02:30:41,520 --> 02:30:44,080
ever critical. So there is starting to

3167
02:30:44,080 --> 02:30:46,080
be rust and stuff showing on the outside

3168
02:30:46,080 --> 02:30:48,319
of it on the tank. On the inside, there

3169
02:30:48,319 --> 02:30:50,479
is expected blistering, but like there's

3170
02:30:50,479 --> 02:30:53,280
no major

3171
02:30:53,280 --> 02:30:56,560
flaw in it, but it is overdue and should

3172
02:30:56,560 --> 02:30:58,399
be recoded. That's the main need for

3173
02:30:58,399 --> 02:30:59,359
that tank.

3174
02:30:59,359 --> 02:31:01,680
>> So, I'm just going to highly suggest

3175
02:31:01,680 --> 02:31:04,640
that we reook at our estimate because

3176
02:31:04,640 --> 02:31:07,680
750,000 I I would put money on it is not

3177
02:31:07,680 --> 02:31:11,200
correct. Um, if from what he's saying

3178
02:31:11,200 --> 02:31:14,080
with the rust and coating and also if

3179
02:31:14,080 --> 02:31:17,760
we're we're repainting the outside,

3180
02:31:17,760 --> 02:31:19,280
I think it's a lot higher than you think

3181
02:31:19,280 --> 02:31:21,439
right now. So, I would just suggest a

3182
02:31:21,439 --> 02:31:23,920
full estimate done by the city to

3183
02:31:23,920 --> 02:31:25,120
prepare for that because it's a pretty

3184
02:31:25,120 --> 02:31:27,200
significant expense, especially if we

3185
02:31:27,200 --> 02:31:28,560
already have a bond and we're depending

3186
02:31:28,560 --> 02:31:31,040
on the money from the bond. If it is

3187
02:31:31,040 --> 02:31:32,479
going to cost more, maybe we can apply

3188
02:31:32,479 --> 02:31:34,560
for a grant for partial and get some

3189
02:31:34,560 --> 02:31:37,680
assistance. So, since it's the next item

3190
02:31:37,680 --> 02:31:39,200
on the priority list, I'm just

3191
02:31:39,200 --> 02:31:40,720
suggesting we start looking at it this

3192
02:31:40,720 --> 02:31:43,040
year. And I followed that up with a

3193
02:31:43,040 --> 02:31:44,560
question of if we were to do that, how

3194
02:31:44,560 --> 02:31:46,960
much do you guys think you would need to

3195
02:31:46,960 --> 02:31:48,960
be on the when they do the dive, do they

3196
02:31:48,960 --> 02:31:51,120
give you a workup of the estimate?

3197
02:31:51,120 --> 02:31:52,720
When's the last time we had that done?

3198
02:31:52,720 --> 02:31:55,040
>> So, when we the divers, what they look

3199
02:31:55,040 --> 02:31:57,920
at is they basically look at blistering

3200
02:31:57,920 --> 02:32:00,399
in the co c coatings. They look for any

3201
02:32:00,399 --> 02:32:02,479
like major defect that you just can't

3202
02:32:02,479 --> 02:32:05,520
visually see from the water line that.

3203
02:32:05,520 --> 02:32:07,840
So, we're not they're not giving us

3204
02:32:07,840 --> 02:32:11,280
anything beyond it needs to be recoded.

3205
02:32:11,280 --> 02:32:13,120
So, that our assumption is that tank

3206
02:32:13,120 --> 02:32:15,920
will need to be drained, sandlasted, and

3207
02:32:15,920 --> 02:32:18,000
recoded the same as it would before. And

3208
02:32:18,000 --> 02:32:20,640
I believe we had a pretty good number

3209
02:32:20,640 --> 02:32:23,120
recently on that of what they expected

3210
02:32:23,120 --> 02:32:26,720
that to be. I thought that that 750 was

3211
02:32:26,720 --> 02:32:28,319
thought to be pretty good, but we can we

3212
02:32:28,319 --> 02:32:33,349
can look back at that and see.

3213
02:32:33,359 --> 02:32:35,439
» And I I'm not speaking for that company

3214
02:32:35,439 --> 02:32:37,040
or my husband, but this is what my

3215
02:32:37,040 --> 02:32:39,120
husband does. He does water towers and

3216
02:32:39,120 --> 02:32:41,600
he's saying he suggests that you guys

3217
02:32:41,600 --> 02:32:43,359
look into this because the budget you're

3218
02:32:43,359 --> 02:32:46,160
stating

3219
02:32:46,160 --> 02:32:47,760
>> I'm just suggesting you look into it and

3220
02:32:47,760 --> 02:32:48,960
that's where my information and

3221
02:32:48,960 --> 02:32:50,560
knowledge is coming from. this is what

3222
02:32:50,560 --> 02:32:53,040
he does and he's just suggesting you

3223
02:32:53,040 --> 02:32:54,080
take another look.

3224
02:32:54,080 --> 02:32:54,880
>> We can do that.

3225
02:32:54,880 --> 02:32:55,680
>> That's all I'm saying.

3226
02:32:55,680 --> 02:32:56,399
>> Oh, that's fine.

3227
02:32:56,399 --> 02:32:59,040
>> Because I am I am not um this is not

3228
02:32:59,040 --> 02:33:00,399
where my knowledge comes from, but I

3229
02:33:00,399 --> 02:33:01,840
wanted you to understand why I'm

3230
02:33:01,840 --> 02:33:02,560
questioning it.

3231
02:33:02,560 --> 02:33:05,520
>> No, I understand. We've we've my office

3232
02:33:05,520 --> 02:33:07,120
has done three of these in the last

3233
02:33:07,120 --> 02:33:10,160
three years. The latest one we did uh we

3234
02:33:10,160 --> 02:33:12,640
did two over in Shady Shores and Lake

3235
02:33:12,640 --> 02:33:14,640
Dallas, and they were about a half a

3236
02:33:14,640 --> 02:33:17,120
million each. They were the uh one was a

3237
02:33:17,120 --> 02:33:19,040
legged style tank.

3238
02:33:19,040 --> 02:33:21,040
>> The other one was a spheroid like the

3239
02:33:21,040 --> 02:33:22,240
golf ball T.

3240
02:33:22,240 --> 02:33:24,720
>> So quite a bit more prep and work and

3241
02:33:24,720 --> 02:33:28,399
full containment. Um but and that's um

3242
02:33:28,399 --> 02:33:29,840
that's kind of what we had based our

3243
02:33:29,840 --> 02:33:31,840
number off of. This one's a little bit

3244
02:33:31,840 --> 02:33:33,600
>> less surface area. It's a little bit

3245
02:33:33,600 --> 02:33:36,960
larger diameter. But what I can do is um

3246
02:33:36,960 --> 02:33:39,600
let me go uh get on one of the bid

3247
02:33:39,600 --> 02:33:42,399
networks and find a recent bid tab. And

3248
02:33:42,399 --> 02:33:45,120
then I can also check with uh Teneemic

3249
02:33:45,120 --> 02:33:46,960
and Sherwin Williams.

3250
02:33:46,960 --> 02:33:48,720
>> Yeah, you can also call any of the

3251
02:33:48,720 --> 02:33:50,000
companies. I know that would mean they

3252
02:33:50,000 --> 02:33:51,520
possibly potentially I don't know how

3253
02:33:51,520 --> 02:33:53,200
that works for them then bidding for us,

3254
02:33:53,200 --> 02:33:54,000
but

3255
02:33:54,000 --> 02:33:55,520
>> they'll get out to you pretty fa fast

3256
02:33:55,520 --> 02:33:57,280
and give you an accurate estimate just

3257
02:33:57,280 --> 02:33:58,080
for

3258
02:33:58,080 --> 02:34:00,080
>> the idea that if we are needing it, we

3259
02:34:00,080 --> 02:34:01,840
need to get ahead of the grant not

3260
02:34:01,840 --> 02:34:04,000
necessarily to move forward on the work.

3261
02:34:04,000 --> 02:34:04,800
>> Understand?

3262
02:34:04,800 --> 02:34:07,439
>> What agency is that grant through? I'd

3263
02:34:07,439 --> 02:34:08,720
like to write it down.

3264
02:34:08,720 --> 02:34:12,160
>> TWWDB Mike County region. No,

3265
02:34:12,160 --> 02:34:14,399
>> no. Texas Water Development Board,

3266
02:34:14,399 --> 02:34:14,880
>> yeah,

3267
02:34:14,880 --> 02:34:15,840
>> is one of them.

3268
02:34:15,840 --> 02:34:17,359
>> There's there's a ton of them. That's

3269
02:34:17,359 --> 02:34:19,200
just one of the main ones. I mean,

3270
02:34:19,200 --> 02:34:21,040
there's like a dozen if you do a quick

3271
02:34:21,040 --> 02:34:22,720
search.

3272
02:34:22,720 --> 02:34:24,880
>> But, I mean, it's interesting just the

3273
02:34:24,880 --> 02:34:26,960
water tower information just as we

3274
02:34:26,960 --> 02:34:28,880
actually had a company within our city

3275
02:34:28,880 --> 02:34:30,880
limits that builds water towers. I'm

3276
02:34:30,880 --> 02:34:32,240
just surprised we haven't communicated

3277
02:34:32,240 --> 02:34:33,840
with them. I know they've recently moved

3278
02:34:33,840 --> 02:34:36,960
out, but I mean, Landmark Towers is

3279
02:34:36,960 --> 02:34:40,399
here. Yeah, we uh negotiated with them

3280
02:34:40,399 --> 02:34:43,359
20 some odd years ago

3281
02:34:43,359 --> 02:34:44,640
>> for that water tower.

3282
02:34:44,640 --> 02:34:45,439
>> Yeah,

3283
02:34:45,439 --> 02:34:47,520
>> they built that water tower.

3284
02:34:47,520 --> 02:34:48,000
>> Yep.

3285
02:34:48,000 --> 02:34:49,680
>> They donated the property.

3286
02:34:49,680 --> 02:34:51,200
>> I know.

3287
02:34:51,200 --> 02:34:55,520
>> So, well, very good. So, uh we uh but

3288
02:34:55,520 --> 02:34:57,120
they sold their business.

3289
02:34:57,120 --> 02:34:57,520
>> Understood.

3290
02:34:57,520 --> 02:34:58,960
>> They're no longer in business.

3291
02:34:58,960 --> 02:35:00,319
>> They are in business. My husband works

3292
02:35:00,319 --> 02:35:00,960
for them.

3293
02:35:00,960 --> 02:35:02,560
>> Okay. Well, they don't work there

3294
02:35:02,560 --> 02:35:03,280
anymore.

3295
02:35:03,280 --> 02:35:04,720
>> Correct.

3296
02:35:04,720 --> 02:35:11,040
>> Good. Um, Mr. Anderson, please continue.

3297
02:35:11,040 --> 02:35:13,920
>> Okay. Uh, let's go to our sewer projects

3298
02:35:13,920 --> 02:35:16,240
real quick. The good news is Marcy said

3299
02:35:16,240 --> 02:35:20,880
everything's in the budget. So, we'll walk through the the next list of

3300
02:35:20,880 --> 02:35:22,720
uh sewer projects. See if you have any

3301
02:35:22,720 --> 02:35:25,280
questions there and then we can get into

3302
02:35:25,280 --> 02:35:27,600
streets and drainage. So, sewer is on

3303
02:35:27,600 --> 02:35:29,680
the same sheet. There's two projects on

3304
02:35:29,680 --> 02:35:34,230
there. Um,

3305
02:35:34,240 --> 02:35:36,479
I don't know who's James. Are you got do

3306
02:35:36,479 --> 02:35:37,840
you have the screen? Can we get it to

3307
02:35:37,840 --> 02:35:40,720
sewer?

3308
02:35:40,720 --> 02:35:43,840
>> Oh, mayor, can you can you slide to uh

3309
02:35:43,840 --> 02:35:46,560
sewer projects for me, please, sir?

3310
02:35:46,560 --> 02:35:50,560
Thank you. Okay, so uh we've got sewer

3311
02:35:50,560 --> 02:35:53,520
project S5 and S6

3312
02:35:53,520 --> 02:35:55,760
um currently

3313
02:35:55,760 --> 02:35:59,280
uh in this next year's budget. Uh

3314
02:35:59,280 --> 02:36:04,080
Buffalo Creek sewer is um a necessary

3315
02:36:04,080 --> 02:36:08,080
upgrade to the downstream leg of the

3316
02:36:08,080 --> 02:36:10,479
Buffalo Creek sewer system that was put

3317
02:36:10,479 --> 02:36:14,800
in and designed back when um

3318
02:36:14,800 --> 02:36:16,960
the city was contemplating halfacre

3319
02:36:16,960 --> 02:36:20,479
lots. And so that uh 15inch line needs

3320
02:36:20,479 --> 02:36:23,280
to go to a 21. There's also a small

3321
02:36:23,280 --> 02:36:26,160
piece of sewer. Let me just see if I can

3322
02:36:26,160 --> 02:36:29,840
show you real quick. Maybe

3323
02:36:29,840 --> 02:36:32,319
It's not working.

3324
02:36:32,319 --> 02:36:34,399
There's a

3325
02:36:34,399 --> 02:36:36,640
Well, it was working earlier. There it

3326
02:36:36,640 --> 02:36:40,880
goes. There's a portion of um

3327
02:36:40,880 --> 02:36:42,960
of sewer that needs to be rerouted

3328
02:36:42,960 --> 02:36:45,760
through the uh TR meter station that's

3329
02:36:45,760 --> 02:36:47,520
about to get under construction as well.

3330
02:36:47,520 --> 02:36:52,000
So, that's a uh basically a $1.8 million

3331
02:36:52,000 --> 02:36:54,399
uh capital project. That is an impact

3332
02:36:54,399 --> 02:36:58,560
fee eligible project. We are asking for

3333
02:36:58,560 --> 02:37:00,240
165,000

3334
02:37:00,240 --> 02:37:02,640
this next year to get the design

3335
02:37:02,640 --> 02:37:06,080
completed and work through uh easement

3336
02:37:06,080 --> 02:37:07,600
acquisitions.

3337
02:37:07,600 --> 02:37:10,000
There are um let's see if I could show

3338
02:37:10,000 --> 02:37:13,349
you here.

3339
02:37:13,359 --> 02:37:14,720
» Yeah, if you don't mind. I don't know

3340
02:37:14,720 --> 02:37:23,510
how to do that.

3341
02:37:23,520 --> 02:37:25,120
» Okay. Okay. So, what we have up on the

3342
02:37:25,120 --> 02:37:26,399
screen, we're we're at the end of the

3343
02:37:26,399 --> 02:37:33,040
runway. This is Westport Parkway. The orange line you see is the 21in line

3344
02:37:33,040 --> 02:37:35,680
that's coming in from TRA with a project

3345
02:37:35,680 --> 02:37:37,920
that's about to get under construction.

3346
02:37:37,920 --> 02:37:40,560
And then we have our meter station here

3347
02:37:40,560 --> 02:37:43,120
located in this fenced area. We have to

3348
02:37:43,120 --> 02:37:46,880
reroute a portion of the city's existing

3349
02:37:46,880 --> 02:37:48,720
what used to be an 8 inch line that you

3350
02:37:48,720 --> 02:37:51,040
can kind of see here is dashed. that has

3351
02:37:51,040 --> 02:37:54,000
to get rerouted back through the the

3352
02:37:54,000 --> 02:37:58,080
back side of the meter station. Um TR

3353
02:37:58,080 --> 02:38:00,000
was not able to include that in their

3354
02:38:00,000 --> 02:38:01,920
scope of the project because they did

3355
02:38:01,920 --> 02:38:04,720
not um they didn't have any assets over

3356
02:38:04,720 --> 02:38:08,240
there uh beyond our meter. So that is a

3357
02:38:08,240 --> 02:38:11,760
project that um we've got survey done.

3358
02:38:11,760 --> 02:38:13,600
We've got the easement documents done.

3359
02:38:13,600 --> 02:38:16,399
We've got a appraisal done for one of

3360
02:38:16,399 --> 02:38:18,399
the parcels. So, we're we're well on our

3361
02:38:18,399 --> 02:38:21,280
way to having that project uh designed

3362
02:38:21,280 --> 02:38:24,720
in anticipation of going to construction

3363
02:38:24,720 --> 02:38:27,760
uh this next fiscal year. And then the

3364
02:38:27,760 --> 02:38:29,840
rest of that project would include

3365
02:38:29,840 --> 02:38:33,280
replacement of the undersized 15

3366
02:38:33,280 --> 02:38:35,200
generally shown on this screen here from

3367
02:38:35,200 --> 02:38:37,920
the meter station uh up at the top of

3368
02:38:37,920 --> 02:38:40,240
the sheet. Uh basically down through

3369
02:38:40,240 --> 02:38:44,319
Harmon Road, you see Harmon Road. Um, so

3370
02:38:44,319 --> 02:38:47,200
that's uh that's the uh imminent need

3371
02:38:47,200 --> 02:38:50,399
for uh sewer on Buffalo Creek. That is

3372
02:38:50,399 --> 02:38:54,309
project S5.

3373
02:38:54,319 --> 02:38:58,080
Um, Brentwood,

3374
02:38:58,080 --> 02:39:00,720
walk you through that real quick. Uh,

3375
02:39:00,720 --> 02:39:11,520
one of the um benefits of building the

3376
02:39:11,520 --> 02:39:13,520
fire station sewer in accordance with

3377
02:39:13,520 --> 02:39:17,120
the city's uh master plan was the

3378
02:39:17,120 --> 02:39:20,720
ability to uh provide

3379
02:39:20,720 --> 02:39:23,359
firsttime sewer service to the uh

3380
02:39:23,359 --> 02:39:27,670
Brentwood neighborhood.

3381
02:39:27,680 --> 02:39:29,280
There's currently only a small portion

3382
02:39:29,280 --> 02:39:35,120
of the neighborhood adjacent to 156 with sewer. So, you can see on my screen

3383
02:39:35,120 --> 02:39:36,800
or on your screen here, you got this

3384
02:39:36,800 --> 02:39:38,880
solid red line. That's the fire station

3385
02:39:38,880 --> 02:39:41,280
sewer line that was uh recently

3386
02:39:41,280 --> 02:39:49,359
completed to serve the fire station. The area in blue is the sewer basin that line will be able to serve. Um, now

3387
02:39:49,359 --> 02:39:51,040
that that facility is in place, you can

3388
02:39:51,040 --> 02:39:53,439
note it extends down through Hue White

3389
02:39:53,439 --> 02:39:55,280
and includes a portion of Blue Mount

3390
02:39:55,280 --> 02:39:58,160
Hill over adjacent to North Glenn. That

3391
02:39:58,160 --> 02:40:00,720
being said, uh, you'll note that

3392
02:40:00,720 --> 02:40:03,439
Brentwood uh, has the ability to be

3393
02:40:03,439 --> 02:40:05,520
served. You can note the drainage

3394
02:40:05,520 --> 02:40:08,080
divide. So, basically everything left of

3395
02:40:08,080 --> 02:40:10,800
the blue line currently has sewer out to

3396
02:40:10,800 --> 02:40:13,600
156 due to the topography. Anything to

3397
02:40:13,600 --> 02:40:15,840
the right doesn't currently have sewer,

3398
02:40:15,840 --> 02:40:19,120
um, public sewer, I should say. And so,

3399
02:40:19,120 --> 02:40:21,760
um, there's a project that we've, uh,

3400
02:40:21,760 --> 02:40:24,560
conceptualized and got in the budget,

3401
02:40:24,560 --> 02:40:28,880
um, for extension of the of a sewer main

3402
02:40:28,880 --> 02:40:30,720
into the subdivision. So, this is a

3403
02:40:30,720 --> 02:40:33,280
property map developed for the fire

3404
02:40:33,280 --> 02:40:36,880
station sewer project. And then, um, I'm

3405
02:40:36,880 --> 02:40:38,000
going to zoom in a little bit.

3406
02:40:38,000 --> 02:40:39,439
Everybody's kind of got their bearings

3407
02:40:39,439 --> 02:40:43,040
straight here. You can see uh coming off

3408
02:40:43,040 --> 02:40:45,920
of basically adjacent to the western

3409
02:40:45,920 --> 02:40:50,080
ball field uh we're proposing a 8 in

3410
02:40:50,080 --> 02:40:52,960
sewer extension into Brentwood as phase

3411
02:40:52,960 --> 02:40:54,960
one. That's the phase one project you

3412
02:40:54,960 --> 02:40:57,760
see. And then the rest of this

3413
02:40:57,760 --> 02:40:59,280
neighborhood could potentially be

3414
02:40:59,280 --> 02:41:02,880
sewered um as shown on my exhibit here.

3415
02:41:02,880 --> 02:41:06,319
Uh the the front side adjacent to 156.

3416
02:41:06,319 --> 02:41:08,160
There's some city-owned lots over there

3417
02:41:08,160 --> 02:41:10,479
and some other privately owned lots.

3418
02:41:10,479 --> 02:41:12,240
Those could tie in to the end of that

3419
02:41:12,240 --> 02:41:13,600
10-inch line that was put in with the

3420
02:41:13,600 --> 02:41:14,800
fire station.

3421
02:41:14,800 --> 02:41:19,439
>> That loop around Brentwood, all of it is

3422
02:41:19,439 --> 02:41:23,200
the cost of it is reflected in 2930 at

3423
02:41:23,200 --> 02:41:25,359
$450,000.

3424
02:41:25,359 --> 02:41:28,800
That's what that is. Uh there are many

3425
02:41:28,800 --> 02:41:32,399
of the uh property owners in Brentwood.

3426
02:41:32,399 --> 02:41:34,880
Well, all of them right now to date are

3427
02:41:34,880 --> 02:41:37,280
maybe except one or two on the very at

3428
02:41:37,280 --> 02:41:38,880
156.

3429
02:41:38,880 --> 02:41:41,359
All of them have san or uh septic

3430
02:41:41,359 --> 02:41:44,399
systems or anorobic systems. Many of

3431
02:41:44,399 --> 02:41:46,720
them have come and requested to tie into

3432
02:41:46,720 --> 02:41:50,000
the city sewer. And we told them it was

3433
02:41:50,000 --> 02:41:52,720
maybe going back two years about this

3434
02:41:52,720 --> 02:41:55,600
project that's coming in. And they would

3435
02:41:55,600 --> 02:42:01,120
much rather pay uh a a new septic system

3436
02:42:01,120 --> 02:42:04,880
runs about $25,000.

3437
02:42:04,880 --> 02:42:08,640
they would much rather pay uh say 14 or

3438
02:42:08,640 --> 02:42:11,280
$15,000

3439
02:42:11,280 --> 02:42:14,240
to connect to a city system.

3440
02:42:14,240 --> 02:42:17,439
It's much cheaper and more reliable.

3441
02:42:17,439 --> 02:42:20,560
So that was planned and you know and

3442
02:42:20,560 --> 02:42:23,200
hopefully maybe that can be moved up

3443
02:42:23,200 --> 02:42:25,840
from 2930 time frame.

3444
02:42:25,840 --> 02:42:27,680
>> So this is basically phase one step one

3445
02:42:27,680 --> 02:42:29,200
is to do this first.

3446
02:42:29,200 --> 02:42:31,040
>> Get get the line into the subdivision

3447
02:42:31,040 --> 02:42:36,080
and then go from there. And the mayor um spoke about the potential

3448
02:42:36,080 --> 02:42:39,280
for a kind of like a a hookup connection

3449
02:42:39,280 --> 02:42:41,920
charge. There's we did a project many

3450
02:42:41,920 --> 02:42:45,280
years ago and the uh part of South Lake

3451
02:42:45,280 --> 02:42:46,960
where we were running firsttime sewer

3452
02:42:46,960 --> 02:42:49,439
service and and the mayor's speaking

3453
02:42:49,439 --> 02:42:51,439
about replacement of septics. It was the

3454
02:42:51,439 --> 02:42:53,120
same situation out there. Those folks

3455
02:42:53,120 --> 02:42:56,080
were faced with do we spend $20,000 at

3456
02:42:56,080 --> 02:42:57,439
the time for septic or do we

3457
02:42:57,439 --> 02:43:00,080
spend$10,000. I think the city basically

3458
02:43:00,080 --> 02:43:02,319
said we'll cover it 50/50. you put in

3459
02:43:02,319 --> 02:43:04,319
10, we'll cover 10. So, those are all

3460
02:43:04,319 --> 02:43:05,840
policy questions that we'll have to get

3461
02:43:05,840 --> 02:43:08,240
to at some point, but uh yeah, there's

3462
02:43:08,240 --> 02:43:11,120
some different options there um for

3463
02:43:11,120 --> 02:43:13,120
that. So, that's that's that project.

3464
02:43:13,120 --> 02:43:15,359
Now, that project does require some

3465
02:43:15,359 --> 02:43:17,120
easements, and there's been some

3466
02:43:17,120 --> 02:43:18,960
discussion on on how some of those

3467
02:43:18,960 --> 02:43:21,439
easements may or may not be worked

3468
02:43:21,439 --> 02:43:22,800
through there with some of the property

3469
02:43:22,800 --> 02:43:24,640
owners. And so, we're we're just trying

3470
02:43:24,640 --> 02:43:26,240
to work through some of the minutia and

3471
02:43:26,240 --> 02:43:29,040
detail of that. But the the good news is

3472
02:43:29,040 --> 02:43:31,280
the ability to serve is there. uh

3473
02:43:31,280 --> 02:43:34,319
because that line was basically uh built

3474
02:43:34,319 --> 02:43:36,080
in accordance with the master plan.

3475
02:43:36,080 --> 02:43:38,479
>> And go back to that uh area where you

3476
02:43:38,479 --> 02:43:40,880
had the blue boundary around this uh

3477
02:43:40,880 --> 02:43:41,600
basin.

3478
02:43:41,600 --> 02:43:42,399
>> Yes, sir.

3479
02:43:42,399 --> 02:43:44,240
>> Just to give them a little background

3480
02:43:44,240 --> 02:43:46,000
early on, there were two different

3481
02:43:46,000 --> 02:43:49,600
routes that could have been chosen to uh

3482
02:43:49,600 --> 02:43:52,560
provide this uh new sewer line. one

3483
02:43:52,560 --> 02:43:55,359
would have been gone from uh the fire

3484
02:43:55,359 --> 02:43:56,880
station

3485
02:43:56,880 --> 02:43:59,760
straight out to 156,

3486
02:43:59,760 --> 02:44:02,640
but it uh uh through the study of it

3487
02:44:02,640 --> 02:44:06,880
that opened up a more limited area of

3488
02:44:06,880 --> 02:44:11,840
service, I think about 360 acres.

3489
02:44:11,840 --> 02:44:15,040
This one uh essentially for the same

3490
02:44:15,040 --> 02:44:19,279
money, different route, different basin,

3491
02:44:19,279 --> 02:44:23,520
opened up 540 acres.

3492
02:44:23,520 --> 02:44:26,800
So, it uh it was a good choice. Uh it'll

3493
02:44:26,800 --> 02:44:31,750
be a good return on that investment.

3494
02:44:31,760 --> 02:44:34,399
» Any questions on the two sewer projects

3495
02:44:34,399 --> 02:44:38,720
that we have on the on the list?

3496
02:44:38,720 --> 02:44:40,080
>> I just meant to ask you for sewer and

3497
02:44:40,080 --> 02:44:41,680
water. Is there anything that you feel

3498
02:44:41,680 --> 02:44:44,960
like is a priority that's not listed for

3499
02:44:44,960 --> 02:44:46,720
this year for either of them? Something

3500
02:44:46,720 --> 02:44:47,520
that we're leaving out?

3501
02:44:47,520 --> 02:44:48,800
>> No, ma'am. We're covered.

3502
02:44:48,800 --> 02:44:54,630
>> Okay.

3503
02:44:54,640 --> 02:44:56,720
If if we're good on water and

3504
02:44:56,720 --> 02:44:58,399
sewer,

3505
02:44:58,399 --> 02:45:00,960
then uh maybe we jump into roads. So,

3506
02:45:00,960 --> 02:45:02,720
that's the big list with the big dollars

3507
02:45:02,720 --> 02:45:10,230
down at the bottom.

3508
02:45:10,240 --> 02:45:18,150
All right, James. What do I do here?

3509
02:45:18,160 --> 02:45:23,830
» Streets, drainage, and improvements.

3510
02:45:23,840 --> 02:45:26,640
Uh, so I will uh I'll say this, streets,

3511
02:45:26,640 --> 02:45:28,960
drainage, improvements is going to take

3512
02:45:28,960 --> 02:45:31,680
a little bit longer than water and sewer

3513
02:45:31,680 --> 02:45:34,560
did put together. Do you want a break

3514
02:45:34,560 --> 02:45:37,920
for lunch now? and then come back and

3515
02:45:37,920 --> 02:45:41,040
start with water and sewer or streets.

3516
02:45:41,040 --> 02:45:42,560
>> Could we spend five minutes and get our

3517
02:45:42,560 --> 02:45:44,399
food and then work while we eat

3518
02:45:44,399 --> 02:45:45,680
>> because we we

3519
02:45:45,680 --> 02:45:47,200
>> we don't have families. It's the last

3520
02:45:47,200 --> 02:45:50,880
weekend of Sorry. It's the last weekend

3521
02:45:50,880 --> 02:45:52,240
of summer. I think we're all trying to

3522
02:45:52,240 --> 02:45:53,279
get out of here.

3523
02:45:53,279 --> 02:45:55,600
>> I will say I do believe Mr. Anderson has

3524
02:45:55,600 --> 02:45:58,000
to leave at some point, too. He has

3525
02:45:58,000 --> 02:45:59,840
other

3526
02:45:59,840 --> 02:46:00,960
>> What's your cut off?

3527
02:46:00,960 --> 02:46:02,399
>> As long as I'm out of here by two

3528
02:46:02,399 --> 02:46:03,359
o'clock, I'm good.

3529
02:46:03,359 --> 02:46:04,560
>> Oh my goodness.

3530
02:46:04,560 --> 02:46:06,560
>> Oh. So, can we please take like five

3531
02:46:06,560 --> 02:46:07,680
minutes and get our food and come back

3532
02:46:07,680 --> 02:46:10,240
and work through lunch and and and keep

3533
02:46:10,240 --> 02:46:10,640
going

3534
02:46:10,640 --> 02:46:12,000
>> or wait and break through for lunch

3535
02:46:12,000 --> 02:46:14,000
later? Either one's fine.

3536
02:46:14,000 --> 02:46:16,240
>> Sure, we'll do that. So, I'll tell you

3537
02:46:16,240 --> 02:46:18,399
what then. I'm going to recess the open

3538
02:46:18,399 --> 02:46:21,200
session for 15 minutes.

3539
02:46:21,200 --> 02:46:22,479
>> Get your food.

3540
02:46:22,479 --> 02:46:23,760
>> Okay. Thank you.

3541
02:46:23,760 --> 03:09:36,790
>> Thank you. So, it's recessed at 11:35.

3542
03:09:36,800 --> 03:09:39,439
Let's resume the uh open session from

3543
03:09:39,439 --> 03:09:43,920
recess. call to order this uh uh open

3544
03:09:43,920 --> 03:09:49,190
session at 11:58 a.m.

3545
03:09:49,200 --> 03:09:51,279
We have streets and drainage

3546
03:09:51,279 --> 03:09:57,349
improvements capital projects.

3547
03:09:57,359 --> 03:09:58,720
Mr. Anderson,

3548
03:09:58,720 --> 03:10:01,680
>> thank you, Mayor.

3549
03:10:01,680 --> 03:10:04,800
Um everybody has the big list

3550
03:10:04,800 --> 03:10:06,479
front of them.

3551
03:10:06,479 --> 03:10:10,720
Uh project one is the uh Blue Mountain

3552
03:10:10,720 --> 03:10:14,880
Road and 156 intersection improvements

3553
03:10:14,880 --> 03:10:18,560
project. This is the uh we presented

3554
03:10:18,560 --> 03:10:21,520
this back in June, I believe. And we

3555
03:10:21,520 --> 03:10:24,800
presented a a schedule for this project.

3556
03:10:24,800 --> 03:10:27,600
Um, basically showing this is a more or

3557
03:10:27,600 --> 03:10:30,080
less a three-year project by the time

3558
03:10:30,080 --> 03:10:32,640
all the design, rightway acquisition,

3559
03:10:32,640 --> 03:10:38,000
utility relocation, and construction is sorted out. So, we're recommending

3560
03:10:38,000 --> 03:10:43,439
that 450 plus 525 for to total uh what

3561
03:10:43,439 --> 03:10:45,680
is that 975

3562
03:10:45,680 --> 03:10:49,120
be budgeted this fiscal year uh for

3563
03:10:49,120 --> 03:10:53,680
design permitting [clears throat] and um

3564
03:10:53,680 --> 03:10:56,560
uh rightway acquisition for the project

3565
03:10:56,560 --> 03:10:59,600
and that's to keep it in general uh

3566
03:10:59,600 --> 03:11:02,080
conformance to the the schedule that we

3567
03:11:02,080 --> 03:11:04,880
presented back in June. Uh if you

3568
03:11:04,880 --> 03:11:07,279
recall, this is a basically a $5 million

3569
03:11:07,279 --> 03:11:10,319
project. There are um there is a portion

3570
03:11:10,319 --> 03:11:13,120
of this that we expect funding from the

3571
03:11:13,120 --> 03:11:16,319
uh lapel development in Fort Worth. We

3572
03:11:16,319 --> 03:11:19,760
haven't uh gone through and um figured

3573
03:11:19,760 --> 03:11:22,399
out exactly what percentage of this uh

3574
03:11:22,399 --> 03:11:24,080
total project cost they would be

3575
03:11:24,080 --> 03:11:26,560
responsible for under the terms of the

3576
03:11:26,560 --> 03:11:29,120
agreement. But um I suspect it's

3577
03:11:29,120 --> 03:11:31,840
somewhere in the neighborhood of uh 10

3578
03:11:31,840 --> 03:11:36,160
to 20% just depending on the um ultimate

3579
03:11:36,160 --> 03:11:37,600
costs and how we get this thing

3580
03:11:37,600 --> 03:11:40,000
implemented. They were they were

3581
03:11:40,000 --> 03:11:42,240
responsible for a turn lane, a 100 foot

3582
03:11:42,240 --> 03:11:44,960
turn lane. And if you recall, we had 400

3583
03:11:44,960 --> 03:11:51,359
foot long turn lanes and multiple iterations of those. And so,

3584
03:11:51,359 --> 03:11:55,920
um, this project is is, um, is important

3585
03:11:55,920 --> 03:11:57,600
and there's quite a bit of leg work to

3586
03:11:57,600 --> 03:11:59,439
do before we can get to construction.

3587
03:11:59,439 --> 03:12:01,760
>> So, just to [clears throat] this would

3588
03:12:01,760 --> 03:12:03,840
be on our [snorts] capital outlay. This

3589
03:12:03,840 --> 03:12:05,840
is not in our budget currently as as

3590
03:12:05,840 --> 03:12:08,080
funded. Correct.

3591
03:12:08,080 --> 03:12:08,640
>> Correct.

3592
03:12:08,640 --> 03:12:10,479
>> Okay. So, if we wanted to add it, we

3593
03:12:10,479 --> 03:12:12,960
would put it in our page 21 that the

3594
03:12:12,960 --> 03:12:14,800
capital outlay.

3595
03:12:14,800 --> 03:12:18,399
Is that correct? As for for projects.

3596
03:12:18,399 --> 03:12:19,120
>> Yes.

3597
03:12:19,120 --> 03:12:21,279
>> Okay. Thank you.

3598
03:12:21,279 --> 03:12:23,439
>> So, we didn't get this far on Saturday,

3599
03:12:23,439 --> 03:12:24,160
>> correct?

3600
03:12:24,160 --> 03:12:24,880
>> Okay.

3601
03:12:24,880 --> 03:12:26,960
>> No, we talked about all this, but

3602
03:12:26,960 --> 03:12:27,760
>> but

3603
03:12:27,760 --> 03:12:30,000
>> y'all had a separate meeting. I know

3604
03:12:30,000 --> 03:12:30,560
that.

3605
03:12:30,560 --> 03:12:32,560
>> No, we met last Saturday here and we

3606
03:12:32,560 --> 03:12:33,040
talked about

3607
03:12:33,040 --> 03:12:34,640
>> No, but prior to that, there was a

3608
03:12:34,640 --> 03:12:35,040
separate

3609
03:12:35,040 --> 03:12:36,640
>> That was just a discussion. We didn't

3610
03:12:36,640 --> 03:12:37,279
make any changes.

3611
03:12:37,279 --> 03:12:39,120
>> We reviewed these very specific

3612
03:12:39,120 --> 03:12:41,520
projects, but this we can brought up

3613
03:12:41,520 --> 03:12:43,279
last Saturday. Yes. There were all this,

3614
03:12:43,279 --> 03:12:45,359
but it wasn't added in like officially.

3615
03:12:45,359 --> 03:12:46,479
>> No, it was it was

3616
03:12:46,479 --> 03:12:49,279
>> it's on your sheet of changes.

3617
03:12:49,279 --> 03:12:52,160
on a general.

3618
03:12:52,160 --> 03:12:54,000
>> Yes. And we went through it kind of

3619
03:12:54,000 --> 03:12:56,160
tentatively and rushed, but we said we

3620
03:12:56,160 --> 03:12:58,000
all we all had questions for Mike and

3621
03:12:58,000 --> 03:12:59,040
wanted to come back to this.

3622
03:12:59,040 --> 03:13:00,880
>> Is this a public document? Like can we

3623
03:13:00,880 --> 03:13:03,600
is this available? Can anybody in the

3624
03:13:03,600 --> 03:13:05,359
public have this information?

3625
03:13:05,359 --> 03:13:06,960
>> It is posted with the agenda.

3626
03:13:06,960 --> 03:13:08,080
>> This is Yes, sir.

3627
03:13:08,080 --> 03:13:09,040
>> Okay. Thank you,

3628
03:13:09,040 --> 03:13:11,600
>> Marcy. Where is it? I'm sorry. on the

3629
03:13:11,600 --> 03:13:14,080
new general fund overall budget summary.

3630
03:13:14,080 --> 03:13:15,359
>> It's [clears throat]

3631
03:13:15,359 --> 03:13:20,150
um it's on the list

3632
03:13:20,160 --> 03:13:22,000
» the list of changes that looks like

3633
03:13:22,000 --> 03:13:23,200
this.

3634
03:13:23,200 --> 03:13:25,600
>> Oh, okay. Okay. Thank you.

3635
03:13:25,600 --> 03:13:28,080
>> Because you don't have new budget pages.

3636
03:13:28,080 --> 03:13:28,640
>> Okay.

3637
03:13:28,640 --> 03:13:30,479
>> You you have the general it's it's on

3638
03:13:30,479 --> 03:13:31,680
that general [clears throat] fund thing.

3639
03:13:31,680 --> 03:13:34,160
But um

3640
03:13:34,160 --> 03:13:34,479
>> and

3641
03:13:34,479 --> 03:13:37,439
>> so under general fund capital outlay

3642
03:13:37,439 --> 03:13:42,950
this SD1 is the 975.

3643
03:13:42,960 --> 03:13:46,720
» You added that and then the next one

3644
03:13:46,720 --> 03:13:49,279
Blue Mountain Road at John Day. You

3645
03:13:49,279 --> 03:13:51,920
added

3646
03:13:51,920 --> 03:13:52,560
>> where are you?

3647
03:13:52,560 --> 03:13:53,200
>> Thank you. And

3648
03:13:53,200 --> 03:13:55,439
>> this page is what this

3649
03:13:55,439 --> 03:13:56,960
>> that's the list of changes that were

3650
03:13:56,960 --> 03:13:58,319
made at the last workshop.

3651
03:13:58,319 --> 03:14:00,399
>> Thank you. I was looking at my old

3652
03:14:00,399 --> 03:14:04,000
>> sheet. It's a mix of page 21 and the new

3653
03:14:04,000 --> 03:14:06,000
packet she gave you. And you're really

3654
03:14:06,000 --> 03:14:08,000
looking at three documents right now.

3655
03:14:08,000 --> 03:14:12,560
Page 21, her new packet, and the

3656
03:14:12,560 --> 03:14:13,840
>> the capital improvement plan.

3657
03:14:13,840 --> 03:14:17,520
>> I'm lost. I can't find it. I'm sorry.

3658
03:14:17,520 --> 03:14:18,560
>> Huh?

3659
03:14:18,560 --> 03:14:20,160
>> You got it, Marcy.

3660
03:14:20,160 --> 03:14:21,520
>> Is that this?

3661
03:14:21,520 --> 03:14:23,200
>> Okay. Where where you Where are you?

3662
03:14:23,200 --> 03:14:24,880
Sorry.

3663
03:14:24,880 --> 03:14:26,880
>> Our changes are noted at the top.

3664
03:14:26,880 --> 03:14:28,399
>> Like 975.

3665
03:14:28,399 --> 03:14:29,040
>> Thank you.

3666
03:14:29,040 --> 03:14:30,720
>> 1.4. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate it.

3667
03:14:30,720 --> 03:14:31,840
Sorry.

3668
03:14:31,840 --> 03:14:33,200
>> My apologies everybody.

3669
03:14:33,200 --> 03:14:34,560
>> It's a little confusing.

3670
03:14:34,560 --> 03:14:36,160
>> It's a little small. My eyes are not as

3671
03:14:36,160 --> 03:14:38,800
good as with these glasses. What's that?

3672
03:14:38,800 --> 03:14:42,389
>> Thank you.

3673
03:14:42,399 --> 03:14:45,920
» No, look. This is what I need to do.

3674
03:14:45,920 --> 03:14:50,150
>> Now I can see it.

3675
03:14:50,160 --> 03:14:53,040
» Okay. Thanks, Mike.

3676
03:14:53,040 --> 03:14:54,319
>> Okay.

3677
03:14:54,319 --> 03:14:55,680
>> Thanks, Mike. Please continue.

3678
03:14:55,680 --> 03:14:58,960
>> Absolutely. Absolutely. So everybody's

3679
03:14:58,960 --> 03:15:02,880
good with project one 156 Blue Mountain.

3680
03:15:02,880 --> 03:15:06,560
Okay. So we we've estimated the rideway

3681
03:15:06,560 --> 03:15:09,520
needs. We've estimated the value of the

3682
03:15:09,520 --> 03:15:13,040
rideway based on what we've seen for

3683
03:15:13,040 --> 03:15:15,200
transactions in this area as a cost per

3684
03:15:15,200 --> 03:15:18,319
square foot. We anticipate that during

3685
03:15:18,319 --> 03:15:20,880
the rideway acquisition process,

3686
03:15:20,880 --> 03:15:23,279
appraisals will be needed. We'll have to

3687
03:15:23,279 --> 03:15:24,720
go through the formal process of

3688
03:15:24,720 --> 03:15:27,200
acquiring rightaway. So, this is a this

3689
03:15:27,200 --> 03:15:29,359
is a healthy budget to get started on

3690
03:15:29,359 --> 03:15:31,359
the project. We'd like to be

3691
03:15:31,359 --> 03:15:33,920
conservative in our numbers. Um, and

3692
03:15:33,920 --> 03:15:35,920
that same can be said with that second

3693
03:15:35,920 --> 03:15:37,840
project as well, Bluemount at John Day

3694
03:15:37,840 --> 03:15:41,200
Road. I think there's over $800,000 in

3695
03:15:41,200 --> 03:15:43,359
that particular project for rideaway in

3696
03:15:43,359 --> 03:15:46,720
and of itself. So, um, was there any

3697
03:15:46,720 --> 03:15:48,399
questions on the Blue Mountain John Day

3698
03:15:48,399 --> 03:15:52,160
road similar setup? The developer, LRIL,

3699
03:15:52,160 --> 03:15:54,080
is responsible under the terms of our

3700
03:15:54,080 --> 03:15:55,760
development agreement for construction

3701
03:15:55,760 --> 03:15:59,120
of the traffic signal itself and a turn

3702
03:15:59,120 --> 03:16:00,880
lane at John Day Road.

3703
03:16:00,880 --> 03:16:02,399
>> And that's a 1.425.

3704
03:16:02,399 --> 03:16:03,120
>> Yes, ma'am.

3705
03:16:03,120 --> 03:16:04,720
>> The only question I have um

3706
03:16:04,720 --> 03:16:05,600
>> Yes, sir.

3707
03:16:05,600 --> 03:16:08,521
>> Mr. Anderson, is is there

3708
03:16:08,521 --> 03:16:11,120
[clears throat] any way we can before we

3709
03:16:11,120 --> 03:16:12,800
can widen the road because that's going

3710
03:16:12,800 --> 03:16:14,800
to take a couple years. Is there any way

3711
03:16:14,800 --> 03:16:16,640
we can make that intersection a light

3712
03:16:16,640 --> 03:16:20,080
like right now? Because

3713
03:16:20,080 --> 03:16:22,399
just to get off of John Day onto Blue

3714
03:16:22,399 --> 03:16:25,279
Mound going east is almost impossible in

3715
03:16:25,279 --> 03:16:28,479
the evenings. Um, so if you could if we

3716
03:16:28,479 --> 03:16:31,200
could make that a light like a lot

3717
03:16:31,200 --> 03:16:34,080
quicker, even if we put up temporary

3718
03:16:34,080 --> 03:16:36,399
poles just to get a a light put on

3719
03:16:36,399 --> 03:16:38,319
there, that would be incredibly helpful

3720
03:16:38,319 --> 03:16:40,239
until we get the road widened.

3721
03:16:40,239 --> 03:16:43,279
>> I can answer that question. That is all

3722
03:16:43,279 --> 03:16:46,319
dependent upon Tarant County. Uh I know

3723
03:16:46,319 --> 03:16:49,279
that uh engineering myself and David

3724
03:16:49,279 --> 03:16:52,160
Rogers has been working with Tarant

3725
03:16:52,160 --> 03:16:55,120
County for probably two years on that

3726
03:16:55,120 --> 03:16:56,960
intersection.

3727
03:16:56,960 --> 03:16:59,279
They control it. Everything from the

3728
03:16:59,279 --> 03:17:01,760
railroad tracks going west almost all

3729
03:17:01,760 --> 03:17:06,239
the way to 287 is a county road. Uh we

3730
03:17:06,239 --> 03:17:09,040
have given them information, traffic

3731
03:17:09,040 --> 03:17:12,560
counts. We've had him come out here time

3732
03:17:12,560 --> 03:17:15,840
and time again, multiple times, very

3733
03:17:15,840 --> 03:17:17,760
specifically. I think the last meeting

3734
03:17:17,760 --> 03:17:20,319
that we had was maybe three months ago

3735
03:17:20,319 --> 03:17:25,200
in your office with precinct three to

3736
03:17:25,200 --> 03:17:27,200
look at this and they took it all back

3737
03:17:27,200 --> 03:17:29,439
and said, "Okay, here's what we need the

3738
03:17:29,439 --> 03:17:32,000
county to do. We're prepared to do this

3739
03:17:32,000 --> 03:17:34,479
piece on the city of Hasset Road, which

3740
03:17:34,479 --> 03:17:40,309
is John Day Road." And

3741
03:17:40,319 --> 03:17:46,080
We have not had any movement. It is um

3742
03:17:46,080 --> 03:17:48,560
I don't know why they understand the

3743
03:17:48,560 --> 03:17:51,600
problem. They understand the issue. It's

3744
03:17:51,600 --> 03:17:54,000
probably a matter of money. It might be

3745
03:17:54,000 --> 03:17:57,439
a prioritization on the county's part.

3746
03:17:57,439 --> 03:18:00,319
Well, we're spending money on Bond Ranch

3747
03:18:00,319 --> 03:18:04,880
Road and or over here and over here and

3748
03:18:04,880 --> 03:18:07,760
this is not on their radar yet. They do

3749
03:18:07,760 --> 03:18:10,880
understand. We have been uh I'll say at

3750
03:18:10,880 --> 03:18:12,960
times aggressive in our communication

3751
03:18:12,960 --> 03:18:15,760
with them to let them know this is a

3752
03:18:15,760 --> 03:18:19,680
persistent problem and uh we need the

3753
03:18:19,680 --> 03:18:22,960
county's help. This is a regional issue.

3754
03:18:22,960 --> 03:18:25,200
This is not generated by Hasset

3755
03:18:25,200 --> 03:18:26,720
residents.

3756
03:18:26,720 --> 03:18:30,657
This is a regional issue. And so

3757
03:18:30,657 --> 03:18:31,359
[clears throat]

3758
03:18:31,359 --> 03:18:34,560
it is all in the county's court to put

3759
03:18:34,560 --> 03:18:36,800
that intersection light up there. even

3760
03:18:36,800 --> 03:18:40,560
if we were to pay for it, it's still on

3761
03:18:40,560 --> 03:18:43,279
their side to do the

3762
03:18:43,279 --> 03:18:45,120
improvement,

3763
03:18:45,120 --> 03:18:48,319
authorize it. There's an issue with we

3764
03:18:48,319 --> 03:18:52,160
have even gone to the extent to

3765
03:18:52,160 --> 03:18:54,000
um

3766
03:18:54,000 --> 03:18:57,040
let let Hasset annex

3767
03:18:57,040 --> 03:19:00,080
Blue Mound Road from the railroad tracks

3768
03:19:00,080 --> 03:19:03,040
to John Day Road to the west side of

3769
03:19:03,040 --> 03:19:07,600
John Day Road. And we will do that work.

3770
03:19:07,600 --> 03:19:10,080
We will plan it.

3771
03:19:10,080 --> 03:19:13,840
And no, sorry.

3772
03:19:13,840 --> 03:19:16,880
>> There's there are legal issues related

3773
03:19:16,880 --> 03:19:20,479
with it in how the right of way for uh

3774
03:19:20,479 --> 03:19:24,720
Blue Mountain Road was um

3775
03:19:24,720 --> 03:19:26,239
let

3776
03:19:26,239 --> 03:19:29,200
um there's not is what do you call it?

3777
03:19:29,200 --> 03:19:32,479
Prescriptive right of way. It does not

3778
03:19:32,479 --> 03:19:36,960
give the county outright ownership.

3779
03:19:36,960 --> 03:19:38,160
>> So, who owns it?

3780
03:19:38,160 --> 03:19:40,640
>> That's the le [clears throat]

3781
03:19:40,640 --> 03:19:41,279
who does.

3782
03:19:41,279 --> 03:19:42,239
>> Pardon?

3783
03:19:42,239 --> 03:19:43,760
>> If they don't have outright ownership,

3784
03:19:43,760 --> 03:19:44,479
who does?

3785
03:19:44,479 --> 03:19:47,279
>> The property owners,

3786
03:19:47,279 --> 03:19:49,840
>> the houses that back up right there or

3787
03:19:49,840 --> 03:19:51,600
that whole neighborhood? the pro, you

3788
03:19:51,600 --> 03:19:55,520
know, such as, you know, the uh 97 acres

3789
03:19:55,520 --> 03:19:58,560
along the east side of John Day Road in

3790
03:19:58,560 --> 03:20:01,359
Blue Mound right there. That 97 acres,

3791
03:20:01,359 --> 03:20:03,439
that property owner owns to the center

3792
03:20:03,439 --> 03:20:05,600
line.

3793
03:20:05,600 --> 03:20:08,160
>> So, it's not the homeowners. Now, the

3794
03:20:08,160 --> 03:20:10,319
homeowners on the west side, which would

3795
03:20:10,319 --> 03:20:13,520
be Fort Worth,

3796
03:20:13,520 --> 03:20:18,239
city of Fort Worth, they uh may I we

3797
03:20:18,239 --> 03:20:22,550
have not investigated that

3798
03:20:22,560 --> 03:20:27,279
» pull up an exhibit real quick.

3799
03:20:27,279 --> 03:20:31,590
the big button.

3800
03:20:31,600 --> 03:20:33,600
» So here's

3801
03:20:33,600 --> 03:20:35,520
everybody can see it. You see we drew in

3802
03:20:35,520 --> 03:20:38,399
the actual lots in the rideway. So

3803
03:20:38,399 --> 03:20:40,239
licated

3804
03:20:40,239 --> 03:20:43,760
rideway public rideway their property.

3805
03:20:43,760 --> 03:20:46,319
So that way

3806
03:20:46,319 --> 03:20:48,239
is clear.

3807
03:20:48,239 --> 03:21:08,309
The rideway on the south side from Lond.

3808
03:21:08,319 --> 03:21:08,880
» Yeah.

3809
03:21:08,880 --> 03:21:11,359
>> So, and they also

3810
03:21:11,359 --> 03:21:14,319
>> I'll buy him a nice steak dinner.

3811
03:21:14,319 --> 03:21:16,800
>> I think I understand what you're asking.

3812
03:21:16,800 --> 03:21:18,640
The mayor did a good job of summarizing

3813
03:21:18,640 --> 03:21:21,680
the work to date. provided with study

3814
03:21:21,680 --> 03:21:24,479
saying that you know we like to see a

3815
03:21:24,479 --> 03:21:27,840
minimum stop sign put up here but we

3816
03:21:27,840 --> 03:21:29,840
could we have the ability to do the

3817
03:21:29,840 --> 03:21:34,560
necessary warranty proies

3818
03:21:34,560 --> 03:21:36,319
from the adjacent developments and we've

3819
03:21:36,319 --> 03:21:42,319
got somebody that may try to implement

3820
03:21:42,319 --> 03:21:47,120
using the funds that were in hand

3821
03:21:47,120 --> 03:21:48,560
we just need to go through and get the

3822
03:21:48,560 --> 03:21:51,840
design so that light configuration could

3823
03:21:51,840 --> 03:21:54,800
work with the planned improvements here.

3824
03:21:54,800 --> 03:21:58,640
That's all complicated by the bridge.

3825
03:21:58,640 --> 03:22:00,560
>> That's all complicated with the bridge

3826
03:22:00,560 --> 03:22:02,800
that's coming in that was just applied

3827
03:22:02,800 --> 03:22:04,960
for by Taran County and BNSF last fall,

3828
03:22:04,960 --> 03:22:08,239
too. So, this is a kind of a convoluted

3829
03:22:08,239 --> 03:22:09,520
intersection, but

3830
03:22:09,520 --> 03:22:11,439
>> is coming in.

3831
03:22:11,439 --> 03:22:14,000
>> Well, I said was applied for funding. I

3832
03:22:14,000 --> 03:22:15,120
shouldn't shouldn't have said that.

3833
03:22:15,120 --> 03:22:15,600
Thank you.

3834
03:22:15,600 --> 03:22:18,319
>> Well, my my steak dinner joke is is just

3835
03:22:18,319 --> 03:22:19,439
a joke as well. Well, I don't actually

3836
03:22:19,439 --> 03:22:21,875
mean to be offering anything, but

3837
03:22:21,875 --> 03:22:22,880
[clears throat] we're just trying to

3838
03:22:22,880 --> 03:22:25,120
figure out like to begin with, none of

3839
03:22:25,120 --> 03:22:28,160
the road work stuff was in this budget,

3840
03:22:28,160 --> 03:22:30,560
and we have never seen

3841
03:22:30,560 --> 03:22:32,720
this 10-year [clears throat] plan until

3842
03:22:32,720 --> 03:22:34,880
very recently that has been in existence

3843
03:22:34,880 --> 03:22:37,840
for a long time. So, we're trying to

3844
03:22:37,840 --> 03:22:39,840
play catch-up as a council a little bit

3845
03:22:39,840 --> 03:22:41,439
because we've been in the dark and not

3846
03:22:41,439 --> 03:22:44,960
have the information that we need. So,

3847
03:22:44,960 --> 03:22:47,680
what is the fastest way we can get this

3848
03:22:47,680 --> 03:22:50,960
moving and the the next project that

3849
03:22:50,960 --> 03:22:52,160
we're about to talk about as well?

3850
03:22:52,160 --> 03:22:54,399
What's the fastest way we can get at

3851
03:22:54,399 --> 03:22:56,239
least lights there, if not the expansion

3852
03:22:56,239 --> 03:22:58,080
done, what's the next what we need? We

3853
03:22:58,080 --> 03:22:59,760
need step 1 2 3 4 5. That's what we

3854
03:22:59,760 --> 03:23:00,160
need.

3855
03:23:00,160 --> 03:23:00,800
>> So,

3856
03:23:00,800 --> 03:23:02,479
>> even if it's not right this minute, I'm

3857
03:23:02,479 --> 03:23:03,279
not sure, you know.

3858
03:23:03,279 --> 03:23:05,439
>> And I think you were actually gone on

3859
03:23:05,439 --> 03:23:07,120
Were you gone at the meeting in June

3860
03:23:07,120 --> 03:23:08,160
when I gave the

3861
03:23:08,160 --> 03:23:08,960
>> Oh, yeah. You were.

3862
03:23:08,960 --> 03:23:09,840
>> And I think

3863
03:23:09,840 --> 03:23:10,560
>> June 1st.

3864
03:23:10,560 --> 03:23:11,040
>> Yes, sir.

3865
03:23:11,040 --> 03:23:13,200
>> Yeah. I because I laid it out. I did. I

3866
03:23:13,200 --> 03:23:14,640
said [clears throat] year 1, year two,

3867
03:23:14,640 --> 03:23:16,720
year three. Let me get you that. But

3868
03:23:16,720 --> 03:23:18,800
>> well, I get the year parts, but what we

3869
03:23:18,800 --> 03:23:20,239
need to know like which conversation we

3870
03:23:20,239 --> 03:23:21,520
need to have next. You know what I mean?

3871
03:23:21,520 --> 03:23:22,399
>> Yes, sir. No, I understand.

3872
03:23:22,399 --> 03:23:24,080
>> We need to go very basic one by one.

3873
03:23:24,080 --> 03:23:26,000
>> I understand. So, if we could if we

3874
03:23:26,000 --> 03:23:29,359
could get this funded for design and

3875
03:23:29,359 --> 03:23:32,160
agreement uh

3876
03:23:32,160 --> 03:23:34,720
preparation and ratification. There's

3877
03:23:34,720 --> 03:23:37,920
the whole transfer of uh or coordination

3878
03:23:37,920 --> 03:23:39,920
with the county that the mayor spoke to.

3879
03:23:39,920 --> 03:23:42,160
So there's county coordination necessary

3880
03:23:42,160 --> 03:23:43,600
>> and the county who are we dealing with

3881
03:23:43,600 --> 03:23:45,680
the county Manny directly or is it

3882
03:23:45,680 --> 03:23:46,399
somebody else?

3883
03:23:46,399 --> 03:23:48,399
>> The county commissioner is

3884
03:23:48,399 --> 03:23:50,319
>> well it's not the county. We've been

3885
03:23:50,319 --> 03:23:54,960
speaking with the u county engineer

3886
03:23:54,960 --> 03:23:56,319
>> Mr. Jackson.

3887
03:23:56,319 --> 03:23:59,760
ultimately you know any of

3888
03:23:59,760 --> 03:24:01,840
the commissioners have to go to Mr.

3889
03:24:01,840 --> 03:24:05,200
Jackson period and Mr. Jackson that's

3890
03:24:05,200 --> 03:24:06,960
who we've communicated with and they've

3891
03:24:06,960 --> 03:24:08,239
seen this design. Yes,

3892
03:24:08,239 --> 03:24:10,640
>> they had this design. They have our

3893
03:24:10,640 --> 03:24:14,399
request in early on early conversations

3894
03:24:14,399 --> 03:24:15,920
were

3895
03:24:15,920 --> 03:24:17,920
the city of Hasslet would like to make

3896
03:24:17,920 --> 03:24:21,279
that a four-way stop at minimum. We'll

3897
03:24:21,279 --> 03:24:23,439
pay for the stop signs. We'll pay for

3898
03:24:23,439 --> 03:24:25,439
the installation of it. Just give us

3899
03:24:25,439 --> 03:24:28,479
permission to do it. and the county

3900
03:24:28,479 --> 03:24:30,560
engineer wrote us a letter back and said

3901
03:24:30,560 --> 03:24:31,760
no

3902
03:24:31,760 --> 03:24:35,200
>> because in his opinion it will create

3903
03:24:35,200 --> 03:24:38,880
more of a problem.

3904
03:24:38,880 --> 03:24:43,279
So there are various u departments

3905
03:24:43,279 --> 03:24:45,920
working through Tarant County that we

3906
03:24:45,920 --> 03:24:50,720
have to address this uh the

3907
03:24:50,720 --> 03:24:53,840
I've met with Commissioner Ramirez on

3908
03:24:53,840 --> 03:24:58,080
this. He has his plans

3909
03:24:58,080 --> 03:25:00,640
and told him of the need that we have. I

3910
03:25:00,640 --> 03:25:03,920
have met with H Commissioner Krauss.

3911
03:25:03,920 --> 03:25:06,720
They have this plan

3912
03:25:06,720 --> 03:25:09,760
and let them know of the needs that we

3913
03:25:09,760 --> 03:25:10,640
have.

3914
03:25:10,640 --> 03:25:11,760
>> What's their response?

3915
03:25:11,760 --> 03:25:12,319
>> Pardon?

3916
03:25:12,319 --> 03:25:14,000
>> What's their response?

3917
03:25:14,000 --> 03:25:16,560
>> Haven't got one yet. And that's been

3918
03:25:16,560 --> 03:25:18,239
many months ago.

3919
03:25:18,239 --> 03:25:20,000
>> Can we not reach back up? That was many

3920
03:25:20,000 --> 03:25:22,000
months ago. I mean, why are we not

3921
03:25:22,000 --> 03:25:24,399
reaching out to them again? Oh, well I

3922
03:25:24,399 --> 03:25:28,319
can, but we have uh we we are continuing

3923
03:25:28,319 --> 03:25:30,640
reaching out

3924
03:25:30,640 --> 03:25:32,560
and getting this in the different

3925
03:25:32,560 --> 03:25:35,439
department hands. So, we have it in two

3926
03:25:35,439 --> 03:25:37,680
county commissioners hands. We have it

3927
03:25:37,680 --> 03:25:42,319
in the uh county engineers hands and we

3928
03:25:42,319 --> 03:25:49,269
have it uh [clears throat]

3929
03:25:49,279 --> 03:25:52,000
there was a fourth party

3930
03:25:52,000 --> 03:25:56,000
I don't recall. Oh actually the the

3931
03:25:56,000 --> 03:26:00,790
precinct three crew

3932
03:26:00,800 --> 03:26:05,510
» and the city of forward. Yes.

3933
03:26:05,520 --> 03:26:08,800
So, uh it's not it's not uh due to a

3934
03:26:08,800 --> 03:26:11,920
lack of effort.

3935
03:26:11,920 --> 03:26:16,560
Um so we um maybe

3936
03:26:16,560 --> 03:26:19,439
uh now if the city of Hasslet were to

3937
03:26:19,439 --> 03:26:23,279
say we'll pay for every bit of that and

3938
03:26:23,279 --> 03:26:25,680
Mr. landowner we'll buy that right away

3939
03:26:25,680 --> 03:26:27,439
from you

3940
03:26:27,439 --> 03:26:29,359
etc etc. Of course that would enhance

3941
03:26:29,359 --> 03:26:31,359
his property.

3942
03:26:31,359 --> 03:26:37,830
uh then they might say yes.

3943
03:26:37,840 --> 03:26:41,279
It generally all boils down to money.

3944
03:26:41,279 --> 03:26:43,439
Well, we did ask the county that they do

3945
03:26:43,439 --> 03:26:49,910
the improvements on Blue Mountain Road.

3946
03:26:49,920 --> 03:26:51,600
» Um

3947
03:26:51,600 --> 03:26:55,040
Mr. Anderson, [clears throat]

3948
03:26:55,040 --> 03:26:57,359
>> the um

3949
03:26:57,359 --> 03:27:01,359
last last week we moved over um $1.3

3950
03:27:01,359 --> 03:27:04,319
million I think it was

3951
03:27:04,319 --> 03:27:06,640
um for the

3952
03:27:06,640 --> 03:27:10,720
uh Blue Mound 156 and then the uh Blue

3953
03:27:10,720 --> 03:27:13,359
Mound and John Day. Do you think that's

3954
03:27:13,359 --> 03:27:14,560
going to be adequate? Do we need more

3955
03:27:14,560 --> 03:27:16,640
money to get those two projects kind of

3956
03:27:16,640 --> 03:27:19,840
started and off the ground? because I

3957
03:27:19,840 --> 03:27:21,520
know we we could have started this a

3958
03:27:21,520 --> 03:27:23,120
couple years ago, but now we're kind of

3959
03:27:23,120 --> 03:27:24,960
backtracking, but is that going to be

3960
03:27:24,960 --> 03:27:27,120
enough money 1.3 to get both of those

3961
03:27:27,120 --> 03:27:31,040
going? Shows we have 975 for Blue

3962
03:27:31,040 --> 03:27:33,040
Mountain Intersection and 335 for John

3963
03:27:33,040 --> 03:27:35,680
Day. Do we need to allocate more money

3964
03:27:35,680 --> 03:27:38,560
so we can move ahead?

3965
03:27:38,560 --> 03:27:42,319
>> Well, I think uh we've got a total of uh

3966
03:27:42,319 --> 03:27:44,640
my math's right here, 2.3 between the

3967
03:27:44,640 --> 03:27:47,359
two projects roughly. And so your ask

3968
03:27:47,359 --> 03:27:51,279
is, is 1.3 enough to get started?

3969
03:27:51,279 --> 03:27:55,120
>> Well, I got 1.3 from on this uh 975 and

3970
03:27:55,120 --> 03:27:56,880
335,

3971
03:27:56,880 --> 03:27:58,720
>> but

3972
03:27:58,720 --> 03:27:59,840
>> um

3973
03:27:59,840 --> 03:28:04,000
>> Oh, well, the 975 and 335. Okay.

3974
03:28:04,000 --> 03:28:07,920
>> I I'm just so we're on the same page. Uh

3975
03:28:07,920 --> 03:28:10,880
it's $925,000

3976
03:28:10,880 --> 03:28:12,800
for this fiscal year

3977
03:28:12,800 --> 03:28:16,479
>> for the uh Blue Mountain Road FM 156

3978
03:28:16,479 --> 03:28:17,040
work.

3979
03:28:17,040 --> 03:28:19,760
>> 975

3980
03:28:19,760 --> 03:28:20,399
>> correct.

3981
03:28:20,399 --> 03:28:24,560
>> All right. Now we have now on Mr.

3982
03:28:24,560 --> 03:28:27,439
Anderson's worksheet here for Blue

3983
03:28:27,439 --> 03:28:30,319
Mountain Road and John Day Road, he has

3984
03:28:30,319 --> 03:28:33,120
1,425,000.

3985
03:28:33,120 --> 03:28:36,560
>> Correct. We have budgeted 335,000.

3986
03:28:36,560 --> 03:28:38,720
>> Right above the Blue Mountain Road 975

3987
03:28:38,720 --> 03:28:39,920
says 1.425

3988
03:28:39,920 --> 03:28:42,080
>> Blue Mail. Okay. There's two. What's the

3989
03:28:42,080 --> 03:28:42,560
difference?

3990
03:28:42,560 --> 03:28:44,239
>> One's a schematic design and one is the

3991
03:28:44,239 --> 03:28:45,359
intersection improvement

3992
03:28:45,359 --> 03:28:46,399
>> designed Blue Mail Road

3993
03:28:46,399 --> 03:28:48,960
>> and the 335 of the schematic design is

3994
03:28:48,960 --> 03:28:51,840
what we're hoping to to get from the

3995
03:28:51,840 --> 03:28:53,680
escrow, but if not, we have it budgeted

3996
03:28:53,680 --> 03:28:56,160
in case we need to use it.

3997
03:28:56,160 --> 03:28:58,160
>> This was all last last Saturday. Um

3998
03:28:58,160 --> 03:28:58,800
Chris

3999
03:28:58,800 --> 03:29:03,840
>> Mayor I'm over here. Sorry. Um, can I

4000
03:29:03,840 --> 03:29:05,520
suggest that on this general fund

4001
03:29:05,520 --> 03:29:07,600
capital outlay, we actually make a

4002
03:29:07,600 --> 03:29:11,040
notation to the project names? So like,

4003
03:29:11,040 --> 03:29:12,800
um,

4004
03:29:12,800 --> 03:29:14,800
design Bluebound Road West at John Day

4005
03:29:14,800 --> 03:29:16,960
intersection. If we could put SD2 right

4006
03:29:16,960 --> 03:29:18,479
next to it.

4007
03:29:18,479 --> 03:29:23,990
>> Oh, okay. Are you perfect? Thank you.

4008
03:29:24,000 --> 03:29:25,760
» And I've got a column that correlates

4009
03:29:25,760 --> 03:29:27,439
back to Miss Marcy's once the project

4010
03:29:27,439 --> 03:29:30,249
number gets established. Okay.

4011
03:29:30,249 --> 03:29:30,800
[clears throat]

4012
03:29:30,800 --> 03:29:34,070
>> What else?

4013
03:29:34,080 --> 03:29:37,439
Okay. So, so Blound Road at John Day

4014
03:29:37,439 --> 03:29:41,200
Road, Blue Mound Road at FM 156, those

4015
03:29:41,200 --> 03:29:44,239
are projects SD1 and SD2. It sounds like

4016
03:29:44,239 --> 03:29:45,600
everybody wants to move forward with

4017
03:29:45,600 --> 03:29:47,760
those two projects this next next fiscal

4018
03:29:47,760 --> 03:29:48,479
year.

4019
03:29:48,479 --> 03:29:48,960
>> Yes,

4020
03:29:48,960 --> 03:29:52,399
>> Mr. Kathers, what I can do is as we give

4021
03:29:52,399 --> 03:29:54,160
me the next few weeks, I could put

4022
03:29:54,160 --> 03:29:55,840
together a little action plan or

4023
03:29:55,840 --> 03:29:57,840
recommended steps because there's a lot

4024
03:29:57,840 --> 03:29:59,359
of moving parts with both of these

4025
03:29:59,359 --> 03:30:01,920
projects. maybe make a list of all the

4026
03:30:01,920 --> 03:30:04,640
things associated with each one and we

4027
03:30:04,640 --> 03:30:06,800
can have that as a presentation and an

4028
03:30:06,800 --> 03:30:07,439
update.

4029
03:30:07,439 --> 03:30:09,439
>> I mean, also if we even need to go as

4030
03:30:09,439 --> 03:30:11,359
far as getting parents to email the

4031
03:30:11,359 --> 03:30:13,760
county commissioner, you know, I mean,

4032
03:30:13,760 --> 03:30:16,319
because parents are screaming, "Please,

4033
03:30:16,319 --> 03:30:18,000
please, please help us with this road

4034
03:30:18,000 --> 03:30:20,800
every day." And it's school starts what,

4035
03:30:20,800 --> 03:30:23,120
in 4 days, you're going to hear a whole

4036
03:30:23,120 --> 03:30:24,479
I mean, not you,

4037
03:30:24,479 --> 03:30:25,920
>> but all of us are going to hear a whole

4038
03:30:25,920 --> 03:30:27,840
lot Yeah. a lot of complaints because

4039
03:30:27,840 --> 03:30:28,960
all of a sudden the traffic's going to

4040
03:30:28,960 --> 03:30:30,800
get a hundred times worse when everyone

4041
03:30:30,800 --> 03:30:32,476
starts going back to school again.

4042
03:30:32,476 --> 03:30:34,960
[clears throat] So, if we need to get

4043
03:30:34,960 --> 03:30:38,399
people to, you know, at least [snorts]

4044
03:30:38,399 --> 03:30:41,120
put their input publicly to get

4045
03:30:41,120 --> 03:30:44,000
residents and parents and school and

4046
03:30:44,000 --> 03:30:47,200
whoever to, you know, try to help build

4047
03:30:47,200 --> 03:30:48,319
a case for this,

4048
03:30:48,319 --> 03:30:50,560
>> then we need to know that, too, because

4049
03:30:50,560 --> 03:30:52,239
we want to do it in an appropriate way,

4050
03:30:52,239 --> 03:30:54,319
not in a let's yell and scream and throw

4051
03:30:54,319 --> 03:30:55,439
rocks way. You know what I mean?

4052
03:30:55,439 --> 03:30:56,479
>> Yes, sir. So

4053
03:30:56,479 --> 03:30:59,439
>> let me say well that that will be a

4054
03:30:59,439 --> 03:31:04,239
council action a a a community

4055
03:31:04,239 --> 03:31:07,760
uh activation towards that has

4056
03:31:07,760 --> 03:31:11,840
engineering has no play in that

4057
03:31:11,840 --> 03:31:13,520
>> but but if we don't have willingness on

4058
03:31:13,520 --> 03:31:15,840
all sides of this conversation we need

4059
03:31:15,840 --> 03:31:17,760
to raise our case a little bit.

4060
03:31:17,760 --> 03:31:19,520
>> Yeah I don't no one's going to come in

4061
03:31:19,520 --> 03:31:21,120
no one's going to come engineer this

4062
03:31:21,120 --> 03:31:22,479
project no one's going to come in and

4063
03:31:22,479 --> 03:31:24,720
start the rideway acquisition project. I

4064
03:31:24,720 --> 03:31:27,120
think we will be able to identify some

4065
03:31:27,120 --> 03:31:28,880
funding partners for the construction of

4066
03:31:28,880 --> 03:31:31,120
it. The mayor's already spoke to the

4067
03:31:31,120 --> 03:31:34,479
discussion that is ongoing about county

4068
03:31:34,479 --> 03:31:37,200
forces possibly constructing some of

4069
03:31:37,200 --> 03:31:39,760
both of these projects, but the the

4070
03:31:39,760 --> 03:31:41,439
heavy lifting on the front end is going

4071
03:31:41,439 --> 03:31:43,439
to have to be done now. We've we've had

4072
03:31:43,439 --> 03:31:45,520
these concepts, you know, put together

4073
03:31:45,520 --> 03:31:48,479
for oh, probably a year, but there there

4074
03:31:48,479 --> 03:31:50,399
was other than this concept plan, there

4075
03:31:50,399 --> 03:31:52,880
was no money behind it to actually get

4076
03:31:52,880 --> 03:31:54,479
the detailed work [clears throat] done

4077
03:31:54,479 --> 03:31:56,880
and start through that process because

4078
03:31:56,880 --> 03:31:58,960
once all that gets done, and we have

4079
03:31:58,960 --> 03:32:01,040
probably five or six agreements per

4080
03:32:01,040 --> 03:32:03,040
intersection, then we have to go move

4081
03:32:03,040 --> 03:32:04,960
all these utilities. And so it's going

4082
03:32:04,960 --> 03:32:08,239
to be a it will be a heavy two-year

4083
03:32:08,239 --> 03:32:10,720
project uh on the soft cost side of

4084
03:32:10,720 --> 03:32:12,720
things to get really minimal

4085
03:32:12,720 --> 03:32:14,399
improvements built. But I I do

4086
03:32:14,399 --> 03:32:16,239
understand what you're saying. And let

4087
03:32:16,239 --> 03:32:18,960
me go back and see if there's a way cuz

4088
03:32:18,960 --> 03:32:21,600
u one of the things that I know was

4089
03:32:21,600 --> 03:32:24,720
important at John Day Road in 156 and

4090
03:32:24,720 --> 03:32:27,439
probably still is is the the inability

4091
03:32:27,439 --> 03:32:29,920
for folks to get out onto Blue Mountain

4092
03:32:29,920 --> 03:32:33,040
Road. Yes. And so to your point about

4093
03:32:33,040 --> 03:32:35,760
trying to get some interim relief there,

4094
03:32:35,760 --> 03:32:37,680
let me see if I can go figure out a way

4095
03:32:37,680 --> 03:32:40,399
to, you know, the lapel folks are on the

4096
03:32:40,399 --> 03:32:43,040
hook for that signal 100%. That's what's

4097
03:32:43,040 --> 03:32:44,960
in the agreement. So there's no cost

4098
03:32:44,960 --> 03:32:47,680
share deep divvying up of those

4099
03:32:47,680 --> 03:32:51,840
improvements. Does that make sense? The turn lanes and everything, those are

4100
03:32:51,840 --> 03:32:54,239
all we got to sort through those. But

4101
03:32:54,239 --> 03:32:56,080
maybe there's a way we can look at

4102
03:32:56,080 --> 03:32:58,080
trying to accelerate the signal

4103
03:32:58,080 --> 03:33:00,160
improvements through the funding by

4104
03:33:00,160 --> 03:33:02,560
lapel while we sort through all these

4105
03:33:02,560 --> 03:33:04,399
other things. Does that make sense?

4106
03:33:04,399 --> 03:33:06,800
>> Yeah. I mean, just this last week, I

4107
03:33:06,800 --> 03:33:08,399
mean, I had to go to a parent meeting,

4108
03:33:08,399 --> 03:33:10,000
what was it, Thursday night, and it was

4109
03:33:10,000 --> 03:33:11,439
just for athletics.

4110
03:33:11,439 --> 03:33:14,000
>> And when that meeting got got out,

4111
03:33:14,000 --> 03:33:15,840
>> John Day was backed up from Blue Mound

4112
03:33:15,840 --> 03:33:18,239
all the way back to Lera, just for that

4113
03:33:18,239 --> 03:33:19,200
one meeting.

4114
03:33:19,200 --> 03:33:21,359
>> That's not even a third of the school.

4115
03:33:21,359 --> 03:33:22,720
>> And that's only the middle school. I

4116
03:33:22,720 --> 03:33:24,239
don't even count the elementary school.

4117
03:33:24,239 --> 03:33:26,160
>> And I want to clarify as well. So the ll

4118
03:33:26,160 --> 03:33:29,840
agreement is is back. It's in effect.

4119
03:33:29,840 --> 03:33:31,120
Everything's fine with that.

4120
03:33:31,120 --> 03:33:31,920
>> Yes, ma'am.

4121
03:33:31,920 --> 03:33:32,319
>> Okay.

4122
03:33:32,319 --> 03:33:34,239
>> That was an agreement between the city

4123
03:33:34,239 --> 03:33:34,720
of

4124
03:33:34,720 --> 03:33:36,239
>> what it was. I know what happened to it.

4125
03:33:36,239 --> 03:33:38,479
And I know so it's it's everything's

4126
03:33:38,479 --> 03:33:40,080
good again with lapel agreement.

4127
03:33:40,080 --> 03:33:41,279
>> Correct. Yes, ma'am.

4128
03:33:41,279 --> 03:33:41,680
>> Okay.

4129
03:33:41,680 --> 03:33:44,319
>> Now you're there was the original lapel

4130
03:33:44,319 --> 03:33:46,160
agreement. This this the the agreement

4131
03:33:46,160 --> 03:33:48,560
that I'm speaking of is the one with

4132
03:33:48,560 --> 03:33:51,279
Trioint Homes, the current homebuilder

4133
03:33:51,279 --> 03:33:52,800
developer. So, not the original.

4134
03:33:52,800 --> 03:33:54,160
>> Not the original one. So, I misspoke

4135
03:33:54,160 --> 03:33:54,720
there. I'm sorry.

4136
03:33:54,720 --> 03:33:56,080
>> Okay. Thank you.

4137
03:33:56,080 --> 03:33:57,600
>> The original one is not back on the

4138
03:33:57,600 --> 03:33:58,000
table.

4139
03:33:58,000 --> 03:34:00,239
>> Okay. Thank you.

4140
03:34:00,239 --> 03:34:03,439
>> Uh I want to uh it doesn't solve any

4141
03:34:03,439 --> 03:34:06,239
long range problems, but uh Tarant

4142
03:34:06,239 --> 03:34:07,760
County Sheriff's Department is going to

4143
03:34:07,760 --> 03:34:09,680
have deputies at these intersections

4144
03:34:09,680 --> 03:34:13,520
here and on the other end at Jonte Road

4145
03:34:13,520 --> 03:34:16,319
and Abidel Hasset Road for the first

4146
03:34:16,319 --> 03:34:18,560
week of school just to help.

4147
03:34:18,560 --> 03:34:19,920
>> Are they going to direct traffic?

4148
03:34:19,920 --> 03:34:20,399
>> Yes.

4149
03:34:20,399 --> 03:34:21,840
>> That would be amazing. the high school

4150
03:34:21,840 --> 03:34:23,680
too the first week of school.

4151
03:34:23,680 --> 03:34:25,120
>> I know they didn't at other places, but

4152
03:34:25,120 --> 03:34:25,600
they do.

4153
03:34:25,600 --> 03:34:27,120
>> But they're going to do it here on both

4154
03:34:27,120 --> 03:34:28,720
ends of John Day Road.

4155
03:34:28,720 --> 03:34:33,910
>> That'd be amazing. Thank you.

4156
03:34:33,920 --> 03:34:35,200
» All right, moving on.

4157
03:34:35,200 --> 03:34:35,760
>> Yes, sir.

4158
03:34:35,760 --> 03:34:37,520
>> I'm going to go back to mine.

4159
03:34:37,520 --> 03:34:42,630
>> Yes, sir.

4160
03:34:42,640 --> 03:34:44,479
» Are you done?

4161
03:34:44,479 --> 03:34:46,080
>> No, I was I think he was wanting to pull

4162
03:34:46,080 --> 03:34:46,800
up his

4163
03:34:46,800 --> 03:34:48,880
>> There you are. I mean, you're done with

4164
03:34:48,880 --> 03:34:50,399
John Day Road, right? Yes, sir.

4165
03:34:50,399 --> 03:34:52,399
>> Okay.

4166
03:34:52,399 --> 03:34:56,479
I would like to uh skip project S3 and

4167
03:34:56,479 --> 03:34:59,120
talk about project S4 just real quick

4168
03:34:59,120 --> 03:35:00,800
since we're talking Blue Mountain Road.

4169
03:35:00,800 --> 03:35:01,600
Okay.

4170
03:35:01,600 --> 03:35:05,600
>> Um we had put together a

4171
03:35:05,600 --> 03:35:07,840
scope of work to get the Blue Mountain

4172
03:35:07,840 --> 03:35:10,640
Road 100% schematic done from one end to

4173
03:35:10,640 --> 03:35:14,000
the other. Uh that 335

4174
03:35:14,000 --> 03:35:16,560
we had anticipated being able to use

4175
03:35:16,560 --> 03:35:20,239
those escrow funds. That's obviously at

4176
03:35:20,239 --> 03:35:22,880
this point been determined not to be um

4177
03:35:22,880 --> 03:35:25,439
a viable option for funding, but if

4178
03:35:25,439 --> 03:35:27,520
you'd like to move forward with that,

4179
03:35:27,520 --> 03:35:30,080
that's needs to be in here somewhere.

4180
03:35:30,080 --> 03:35:32,239
But it sounds like that was handled.

4181
03:35:32,239 --> 03:35:33,279
Okay.

4182
03:35:33,279 --> 03:35:35,840
>> Okay. So, I've got that one marked.

4183
03:35:35,840 --> 03:35:37,439
Okay. Okay.

4184
03:35:37,439 --> 03:35:39,520
>> What is What's Blue Mound Ultimate? Is

4185
03:35:39,520 --> 03:35:40,560
that the whole road?

4186
03:35:40,560 --> 03:35:42,239
>> Yes. Or that's the schematic design from

4187
03:35:42,239 --> 03:35:43,600
one end to the other. Okay.

4188
03:35:43,600 --> 03:35:45,040
>> For [clears throat] the for the large

4189
03:35:45,040 --> 03:35:46,399
ultimate project.

4190
03:35:46,399 --> 03:35:48,640
>> Okay. You got 1.4 million there so that

4191
03:35:48,640 --> 03:35:57,590
we can cover both SD3 and

4192
03:35:57,600 --> 03:36:01,920
» SD one two and four.

4193
03:36:01,920 --> 03:36:03,359
>> We skipped three. We're

4194
03:36:03,359 --> 03:36:04,479
>> sorry.

4195
03:36:04,479 --> 03:36:07,359
>> Zach was asking about clarification on

4196
03:36:07,359 --> 03:36:09,680
>> Yeah, but we have the 335 or whatever it

4197
03:36:09,680 --> 03:36:11,359
is for SD4 in the in the budget,

4198
03:36:11,359 --> 03:36:12,560
correct? That y'all just said. Okay.

4199
03:36:12,560 --> 03:36:14,479
>> Yes.

4200
03:36:14,479 --> 03:36:16,160
>> Okay.

4201
03:36:16,160 --> 03:36:18,239
So, we're gonna now we're going to get

4202
03:36:18,239 --> 03:36:19,600
back in order here and we're going to

4203
03:36:19,600 --> 03:36:26,710
talk about inter modal.

4204
03:36:26,720 --> 03:36:38,070
>> So many pages.

4205
03:36:38,080 --> 03:36:41,200
» Yeah, I will. I just he was going over

4206
03:36:41,200 --> 03:36:44,640
the SD12 and four which we did talk

4207
03:36:44,640 --> 03:36:46,720
about last Saturday and had put back in

4208
03:36:46,720 --> 03:36:49,120
the budget. There was a design for Blue

4209
03:36:49,120 --> 03:36:52,080
Mountain Road at 1.425,

4210
03:36:52,080 --> 03:36:53,600
the Blue Mountain Road intersection

4211
03:36:53,600 --> 03:36:56,319
design at 975 and then the schematic at

4212
03:36:56,319 --> 03:37:00,720
335. So SD1, SD2, and SD4

4213
03:37:00,720 --> 03:37:02,399
>> have been discussed.

4214
03:37:02,399 --> 03:37:07,349
>> Oh no. Bye bye.

4215
03:37:07,359 --> 03:37:09,359
» And I'm sorry just to clarify. So SD

4216
03:37:09,359 --> 03:37:10,880
one, two, three, and four. I think we

4217
03:37:10,880 --> 03:37:12,560
all had funded last meeting. Correct.

4218
03:37:12,560 --> 03:37:15,279
>> Three. You haven't talked about

4219
03:37:15,279 --> 03:37:17,200
>> we haven't talked about three.

4220
03:37:17,200 --> 03:37:18,479
>> Oh, we just haven't talked about three.

4221
03:37:18,479 --> 03:37:18,720
Correct.

4222
03:37:18,720 --> 03:37:21,120
>> We skipped want to skip three.

4223
03:37:21,120 --> 03:37:22,880
>> Why? Why are you skipping three?

4224
03:37:22,880 --> 03:37:25,040
>> Because I You had said you wanted to

4225
03:37:25,040 --> 03:37:26,800
talk about three. So here

4226
03:37:26,800 --> 03:37:28,640
>> I've got an exhibit up here to see if we

4227
03:37:28,640 --> 03:37:31,279
can walk through Interotal Parkway real

4228
03:37:31,279 --> 03:37:31,840
quick.

4229
03:37:31,840 --> 03:37:36,160
>> Thank you. So what we've got here and I can't remember if I've shared this

4230
03:37:36,160 --> 03:37:37,840
exhibit with you or not, but what we

4231
03:37:37,840 --> 03:37:40,800
have is a inter modal parkway from

4232
03:37:40,800 --> 03:37:42,399
Hasset Parkway clear down to Blue

4233
03:37:42,399 --> 03:37:44,960
Mountain Road. And my understanding of

4234
03:37:44,960 --> 03:37:48,000
the project as it exists today is that

4235
03:37:48,000 --> 03:37:50,800
we've got currently funded in this

4236
03:37:50,800 --> 03:37:52,960
budget that we're in right now $1.1

4237
03:37:52,960 --> 03:37:54,720
million

4238
03:37:54,720 --> 03:37:57,760
for the fourth leg of the traffic signal

4239
03:37:57,760 --> 03:38:00,800
and then the design and construction of

4240
03:38:00,800 --> 03:38:02,960
this yellow pavement.

4241
03:38:02,960 --> 03:38:03,920
>> I don't see that in here.

4242
03:38:03,920 --> 03:38:06,399
>> The western the western concrete

4243
03:38:06,399 --> 03:38:07,120
>> is it in here?

4244
03:38:07,120 --> 03:38:09,439
>> It's in here and it's 1.135 because you

4245
03:38:09,439 --> 03:38:11,600
asked for an extra 35. So we have that

4246
03:38:11,600 --> 03:38:13,439
fully funded. Do you see that?

4247
03:38:13,439 --> 03:38:15,680
>> It's um right under street improvements

4248
03:38:15,680 --> 03:38:17,279
first

4249
03:38:17,279 --> 03:38:19,200
number.

4250
03:38:19,200 --> 03:38:21,600
Do you see it? We did 1.1

4251
03:38:21,600 --> 03:38:22,720
>> 35,000.

4252
03:38:22,720 --> 03:38:25,359
>> We're carry for and we're carrying over

4253
03:38:25,359 --> 03:38:26,239
the one. Got it.

4254
03:38:26,239 --> 03:38:29,590
>> Thank you.

4255
03:38:29,600 --> 03:38:30,960
» Yes, ma'am. Got it.

4256
03:38:30,960 --> 03:38:33,600
>> Okay. Thank you.

4257
03:38:33,600 --> 03:38:36,160
>> Okay. And can you clarify? Is this phase

4258
03:38:36,160 --> 03:38:38,479
two? I know I called it phase one, which

4259
03:38:38,479 --> 03:38:39,760
is where I think we got in the

4260
03:38:39,760 --> 03:38:40,399
confusion.

4261
03:38:40,399 --> 03:38:42,960
>> Go ahead. We're going to I think there's

4262
03:38:42,960 --> 03:38:44,399
Let me let me walk you through a couple

4263
03:38:44,399 --> 03:38:45,920
and there's only there's certain things

4264
03:38:45,920 --> 03:38:47,200
I'm going to need to tell you at the

4265
03:38:47,200 --> 03:38:48,960
next council meeting. Okay.

4266
03:38:48,960 --> 03:38:51,120
>> As it relates to rideway,

4267
03:38:51,120 --> 03:38:54,239
>> um this project right now in yellow is

4268
03:38:54,239 --> 03:38:56,640
under design. We'll bring you plans for

4269
03:38:56,640 --> 03:38:59,680
presentation 60% plans. At the council

4270
03:38:59,680 --> 03:39:00,800
meeting, we're also going to bring you

4271
03:39:00,800 --> 03:39:02,640
back an update on the rightway.

4272
03:39:02,640 --> 03:39:05,200
>> Okay. Now, the reason there there's

4273
03:39:05,200 --> 03:39:06,880
>> rightway of the yellow or rightway of

4274
03:39:06,880 --> 03:39:07,600
all

4275
03:39:07,600 --> 03:39:09,680
>> um right away for yellow.

4276
03:39:09,680 --> 03:39:14,960
>> Okay. Okay. Um the reason that um

4277
03:39:14,960 --> 03:39:16,960
so so right now we got phase one in

4278
03:39:16,960 --> 03:39:19,760
yellow and then phase two naturally

4279
03:39:19,760 --> 03:39:22,239
would be some sort of continuation of

4280
03:39:22,239 --> 03:39:24,399
the project down to Blue Mountain Road.

4281
03:39:24,399 --> 03:39:28,479
Okay. Now what we may need to discuss or

4282
03:39:28,479 --> 03:39:31,600
what we will discuss with you would be

4283
03:39:31,600 --> 03:39:36,160
um if there are rightway acquisition

4284
03:39:36,160 --> 03:39:39,680
um delays or uh we're not able to

4285
03:39:39,680 --> 03:39:45,439
acquire rightaway there is a solution

4286
03:39:45,439 --> 03:39:48,160
and I'm going to do this the best I can.

4287
03:39:48,160 --> 03:39:50,880
I'm not real good at drawing stuff but

4288
03:39:50,880 --> 03:39:52,800
where my red box is that's the right way

4289
03:39:52,800 --> 03:39:55,680
we need. Okay. If for whatever reason

4290
03:39:55,680 --> 03:39:58,319
that rightaway can't be obtained in a in

4291
03:39:58,319 --> 03:40:01,920
a manner that you guys are okay with, we

4292
03:40:01,920 --> 03:40:04,000
looked at the possibility of doing a

4293
03:40:04,000 --> 03:40:06,880
project where we could basically add

4294
03:40:06,880 --> 03:40:09,200
here's the existing configuration of the

4295
03:40:09,200 --> 03:40:11,680
ultimate section. These two lanes here

4296
03:40:11,680 --> 03:40:14,399
represent the 26 ft lanes that are

4297
03:40:14,399 --> 03:40:15,840
currently constructed in front of

4298
03:40:15,840 --> 03:40:17,920
stream. Then you've got a large median

4299
03:40:17,920 --> 03:40:19,840
and what we were proposing to build this

4300
03:40:19,840 --> 03:40:22,160
next year were these westbound lanes.

4301
03:40:22,160 --> 03:40:23,840
Everybody visualize that?

4302
03:40:23,840 --> 03:40:26,160
>> Yes. If for whatever reason that rideway

4303
03:40:26,160 --> 03:40:28,319
cannot be attained in a schedule or in a

4304
03:40:28,319 --> 03:40:30,880
timeline that the town or the city is

4305
03:40:30,880 --> 03:40:33,279
happy with, we looked at the possibility

4306
03:40:33,279 --> 03:40:36,720
of trying to construct a third lane in

4307
03:40:36,720 --> 03:40:40,160
the existing rideway to facilitate a

4308
03:40:40,160 --> 03:40:43,359
connection between Hasslet Parkway and

4309
03:40:43,359 --> 03:40:45,760
Pasque. And what we what we've come up

4310
03:40:45,760 --> 03:40:48,800
with is we can make it fit. We would

4311
03:40:48,800 --> 03:40:50,960
basically tie in to the pavement that

4312
03:40:50,960 --> 03:40:54,000
was constructed um with city funds as

4313
03:40:54,000 --> 03:40:56,239
part of the stream development agreement

4314
03:40:56,239 --> 03:41:00,080
and then add in uh transitional pavement

4315
03:41:00,080 --> 03:41:02,399
through this large driveway here and

4316
03:41:02,399 --> 03:41:04,479
then you would transition back to

4317
03:41:04,479 --> 03:41:07,040
two-way traffic and come up to a

4318
03:41:07,040 --> 03:41:09,520
standard four-way intersection. Now,

4319
03:41:09,520 --> 03:41:11,600
that's not ideal, but that's that's

4320
03:41:11,600 --> 03:41:13,680
something that we need to look at and

4321
03:41:13,680 --> 03:41:16,319
we'll discuss more with you um at the

4322
03:41:16,319 --> 03:41:17,760
next council meeting.

4323
03:41:17,760 --> 03:41:20,080
>> Is is this intersection a huge priority

4324
03:41:20,080 --> 03:41:22,239
that we can't wait until we get, you

4325
03:41:22,239 --> 03:41:25,600
know, the the rightway? I mean, is it

4326
03:41:25,600 --> 03:41:27,040
>> I mean, I know that we want this, but is

4327
03:41:27,040 --> 03:41:27,439
it something

4328
03:41:27,439 --> 03:41:28,000
>> I'm with you

4329
03:41:28,000 --> 03:41:28,720
>> the I mean,

4330
03:41:28,720 --> 03:41:29,279
>> I'm with you.

4331
03:41:29,279 --> 03:41:30,640
>> I'd rather wait until we can get the

4332
03:41:30,640 --> 03:41:32,239
rightway instead of try to rush it. I

4333
03:41:32,239 --> 03:41:33,600
mean, like, if it takes another year to

4334
03:41:33,600 --> 03:41:34,960
get the rideway, that that's it. I don't

4335
03:41:34,960 --> 03:41:36,160
think this is an intersection, but right

4336
03:41:36,160 --> 03:41:37,840
here is a [snorts] huge

4337
03:41:37,840 --> 03:41:39,439
>> Well, what what this intersection, in my

4338
03:41:39,439 --> 03:41:41,359
opinion, what this intersection will do

4339
03:41:41,359 --> 03:41:42,960
is take some of the pressure off of the

4340
03:41:42,960 --> 03:41:45,760
Harmon Road has a parkway intersection

4341
03:41:45,760 --> 03:41:48,000
because since the QT got built there and

4342
03:41:48,000 --> 03:41:50,640
the traffic keeps growing, lots of times

4343
03:41:50,640 --> 03:41:52,399
that light is now backing up, if you're

4344
03:41:52,399 --> 03:41:55,040
trying to turn right out off of Harmon

4345
03:41:55,040 --> 03:41:58,080
onto Hazit Parkway, for example. So,

4346
03:41:58,080 --> 03:41:59,920
this will allow another option for

4347
03:41:59,920 --> 03:42:03,200
people to get onto Hazit Parkway.

4348
03:42:03,200 --> 03:42:05,279
And what I'm hearing is this is just a

4349
03:42:05,279 --> 03:42:08,093
plan B if if we can't get the

4350
03:42:08,093 --> 03:42:09,439
[clears throat] rod away and do it the

4351
03:42:09,439 --> 03:42:10,160
way we want to do it.

4352
03:42:10,160 --> 03:42:11,840
>> We we we are moving forward with the

4353
03:42:11,840 --> 03:42:14,160
design as as instructed for the

4354
03:42:14,160 --> 03:42:15,040
ultimate.

4355
03:42:15,040 --> 03:42:18,319
>> Um we will bring you 60% plans. We will

4356
03:42:18,319 --> 03:42:19,840
also bring you some more information on

4357
03:42:19,840 --> 03:42:23,120
the rideway and try to make sure we've

4358
03:42:23,120 --> 03:42:25,600
got good direction on on how to proceed.

4359
03:42:25,600 --> 03:42:27,120
I mean, we really need to put in a right

4360
03:42:27,120 --> 03:42:29,279
turn lane at Harmon Road and has a

4361
03:42:29,279 --> 03:42:31,520
parkway too the way the traffic's going

4362
03:42:31,520 --> 03:42:33,200
now. But

4363
03:42:33,200 --> 03:42:35,439
>> so question, I mean, is there a concern

4364
03:42:35,439 --> 03:42:36,960
on the rightway?

4365
03:42:36,960 --> 03:42:39,359
>> Cuz you don't normally plan a plan B

4366
03:42:39,359 --> 03:42:39,760
unless

4367
03:42:39,760 --> 03:42:41,359
>> I think that's what we're talking about.

4368
03:42:41,359 --> 03:42:41,920
>> Oh,

4369
03:42:41,920 --> 03:42:42,640
>> Monday night.

4370
03:42:42,640 --> 03:42:43,600
>> Are you going to give us more

4371
03:42:43,600 --> 03:42:45,840
information about that? Okay. So then

4372
03:42:45,840 --> 03:42:50,000
the next question is that M that exit

4373
03:42:50,000 --> 03:42:51,600
point right here. That's going to be

4374
03:42:51,600 --> 03:42:53,120
trucks. Do we really think they can make

4375
03:42:53,120 --> 03:42:54,880
that turn in two lanes? because I don't

4376
03:42:54,880 --> 03:42:57,120
want traffic coming down when a truck's

4377
03:42:57,120 --> 03:42:58,720
turning. Do you see my concern?

4378
03:42:58,720 --> 03:43:00,239
>> That's why the third lane goes past

4379
03:43:00,239 --> 03:43:00,960
that.

4380
03:43:00,960 --> 03:43:03,359
>> I understand, but I don't think a truck

4381
03:43:03,359 --> 03:43:05,279
can make that turn without hitting that

4382
03:43:05,279 --> 03:43:06,880
curb consistently. Won't it have to go

4383
03:43:06,880 --> 03:43:08,560
into that sorry

4384
03:43:08,560 --> 03:43:09,680
>> that lane?

4385
03:43:09,680 --> 03:43:12,399
>> We feel like at a minimum

4386
03:43:12,399 --> 03:43:14,720
um this is what's required to

4387
03:43:14,720 --> 03:43:16,239
facilitate.

4388
03:43:16,239 --> 03:43:18,080
That's why we've taken this transitional

4389
03:43:18,080 --> 03:43:22,080
pavement back through. Um this this turn

4390
03:43:22,080 --> 03:43:23,600
lane

4391
03:43:23,600 --> 03:43:26,319
is kind of um we didn't do a good job of

4392
03:43:26,319 --> 03:43:27,920
showing this. This could just be a

4393
03:43:27,920 --> 03:43:32,239
striped um center turn lane if that

4394
03:43:32,239 --> 03:43:34,560
makes sense. I do understand the concern

4395
03:43:34,560 --> 03:43:36,800
about truck traffic and turning and

4396
03:43:36,800 --> 03:43:38,399
that's that that's the reason why we

4397
03:43:38,399 --> 03:43:40,239
couldn't open up open it up as a

4398
03:43:40,239 --> 03:43:41,760
two-lane road because those trucks are

4399
03:43:41,760 --> 03:43:43,920
swinging too wide. So,

4400
03:43:43,920 --> 03:43:45,199
>> just something for us to consider if we

4401
03:43:45,199 --> 03:43:47,439
have to go with B preparing to make sure

4402
03:43:47,439 --> 03:43:50,239
they can see those like incoming cars

4403
03:43:50,239 --> 03:43:52,800
because they're fast down that road. I

4404
03:43:52,800 --> 03:43:54,160
just see a head-on collision with a

4405
03:43:54,160 --> 03:43:56,560
truck happening because they can't see.

4406
03:43:56,560 --> 03:43:58,399
>> And I know at our what our one of our

4407
03:43:58,399 --> 03:43:59,680
previous council meetings, we talked

4408
03:43:59,680 --> 03:44:01,680
about it not being and this is phase

4409
03:44:01,680 --> 03:44:03,920
two, but or phase three, I don't know,

4410
03:44:03,920 --> 03:44:06,000
but it not being a straight line. We had

4411
03:44:06,000 --> 03:44:08,000
talked about adding some natural

4412
03:44:08,000 --> 03:44:09,439
curvatures. That'll be later

4413
03:44:09,439 --> 03:44:11,359
>> and we we we'll have that ready for

4414
03:44:11,359 --> 03:44:13,199
discussion at the council meeting.

4415
03:44:13,199 --> 03:44:14,000
[cough] We've got we've [clears throat]

4416
03:44:14,000 --> 03:44:16,319
got two different options for traffic

4417
03:44:16,319 --> 03:44:21,120
calming. We've got some roadway designs.

4418
03:44:21,120 --> 03:44:23,840
We've also got some uh roundabouts as

4419
03:44:23,840 --> 03:44:25,439
well. So, we'll we'll get some direction

4420
03:44:25,439 --> 03:44:26,479
on on the phase two.

4421
03:44:26,479 --> 03:44:28,800
>> So, the money is good. The one point the

4422
03:44:28,800 --> 03:44:30,800
1.1 plus the 35, that's a good amount.

4423
03:44:30,800 --> 03:44:31,359
>> Yes, ma'am.

4424
03:44:31,359 --> 03:44:33,359
>> Okay.

4425
03:44:33,359 --> 03:44:36,239
And I guess it really isn't like wasting

4426
03:44:36,239 --> 03:44:37,760
the funds in building that because truly

4427
03:44:37,760 --> 03:44:39,760
that could just be a turn lane that's

4428
03:44:39,760 --> 03:44:41,120
useful in the future. We wouldn't tear

4429
03:44:41,120 --> 03:44:44,800
that down, right? That's what we would just restripe it.

4430
03:44:44,800 --> 03:44:46,399
>> Well, I think we were planning to build

4431
03:44:46,399 --> 03:44:49,920
that out of uh out of hot mix. Um on the

4432
03:44:49,920 --> 03:44:52,479
interim, we could we could look at if if

4433
03:44:52,479 --> 03:44:54,160
we have to go with the plan B, we could

4434
03:44:54,160 --> 03:44:56,319
look at or we could bid it both ways

4435
03:44:56,319 --> 03:44:58,640
>> just yeah with with the trucks and the

4436
03:44:58,640 --> 03:45:00,720
future plans for that area and the cars.

4437
03:45:00,720 --> 03:45:07,189
It might be beneficial if we go plan B.

4438
03:45:07,199 --> 03:45:08,560
» We can we can do that.

4439
03:45:08,560 --> 03:45:09,680
>> We'll we'll get there.

4440
03:45:09,680 --> 03:45:11,920
>> We'll get there. I we'll bring you some

4441
03:45:11,920 --> 03:45:13,760
plans at the at the meeting. We'll have

4442
03:45:13,760 --> 03:45:15,439
an update on the on the rideway

4443
03:45:15,439 --> 03:45:16,800
discussion as well.

4444
03:45:16,800 --> 03:45:18,640
>> Sounds good.

4445
03:45:18,640 --> 03:45:21,279
>> Okay. So, that's why it's phase one,

4446
03:45:21,279 --> 03:45:24,880
phase two, phase three,

4447
03:45:24,880 --> 03:45:27,120
phase 1 A.

4448
03:45:27,120 --> 03:45:28,960
I'm still confused at what phase

4449
03:45:28,960 --> 03:45:30,640
>> I messed up on my spreadsheet.

4450
03:45:30,640 --> 03:45:32,479
>> Okay, so this is so it is phase

4451
03:45:32,479 --> 03:45:34,399
>> just say one and two for now.

4452
03:45:34,399 --> 03:45:36,319
>> Sorry

4453
03:45:36,319 --> 03:45:38,080
phase phase one is the small section.

4454
03:45:38,080 --> 03:45:40,080
Phase two is the big section. Correct.

4455
03:45:40,080 --> 03:45:41,840
>> Mayor, are you clear on that because you

4456
03:45:41,840 --> 03:45:42,560
had some confusion?

4457
03:45:42,560 --> 03:45:44,000
>> I need something to clarify. That's one

4458
03:45:44,000 --> 03:45:45,760
of the things I needed to visit with you

4459
03:45:45,760 --> 03:45:46,319
on.

4460
03:45:46,319 --> 03:45:49,279
>> Well, can we clarify? Phase one would be

4461
03:45:49,279 --> 03:45:51,439
the minimum to tie that intersection

4462
03:45:51,439 --> 03:45:54,239
into the existing lanes

4463
03:45:54,239 --> 03:45:56,319
and install a signal light.

4464
03:45:56,319 --> 03:45:57,120
>> It's all

4465
03:45:57,120 --> 03:45:59,120
>> that would be phase one. That would be

4466
03:45:59,120 --> 03:46:03,279
the if we have to go that route. Phase

4467
03:46:03,279 --> 03:46:07,120
two is taking from Hassa Parkway down to

4468
03:46:07,120 --> 03:46:08,800
Pasque. Is that correct?

4469
03:46:08,800 --> 03:46:09,120
>> No.

4470
03:46:09,120 --> 03:46:10,880
Phase two is pass.

4471
03:46:10,880 --> 03:46:12,640
>> Tell me what phase one is.

4472
03:46:12,640 --> 03:46:14,399
>> Phase one two and phase three.

4473
03:46:14,399 --> 03:46:16,399
>> Phase one is young. Right now it's phase

4474
03:46:16,399 --> 03:46:18,000
one and phase two. What's on this

4475
03:46:18,000 --> 03:46:21,520
exhibit? There is no phase three

4476
03:46:21,520 --> 03:46:23,840
at this point. Now there may need to we

4477
03:46:23,840 --> 03:46:25,439
may need to pivot depending on the

4478
03:46:25,439 --> 03:46:28,960
rideway and look at an interim project.

4479
03:46:28,960 --> 03:46:30,880
>> So that would be a phase 1 A.

4480
03:46:30,880 --> 03:46:32,560
>> Correct. That would probably be a better

4481
03:46:32,560 --> 03:46:32,880
way.

4482
03:46:32,880 --> 03:46:35,439
>> Phase 1 A is

4483
03:46:35,439 --> 03:46:37,840
we have to do this to open up and

4484
03:46:37,840 --> 03:46:40,560
utilize the road until right away can be

4485
03:46:40,560 --> 03:46:41,120
obtained.

4486
03:46:41,120 --> 03:46:41,600
>> Correct.

4487
03:46:41,600 --> 03:46:45,040
>> Yes. And so we could and that because

4488
03:46:45,040 --> 03:46:48,080
you have 1.135, you can do either one or

4489
03:46:48,080 --> 03:46:50,000
1 A. That's just going to drop itself

4490
03:46:50,000 --> 03:46:50,960
out

4491
03:46:50,960 --> 03:46:53,439
>> as we as we move forward. So maybe we

4492
03:46:53,439 --> 03:46:55,600
label it that one 1A.

4493
03:46:55,600 --> 03:46:56,880
>> Can we under the same?

4494
03:46:56,880 --> 03:46:59,279
>> Okay. So Marcy, do you have that? We're

4495
03:46:59,279 --> 03:47:01,600
going to label it one.

4496
03:47:01,600 --> 03:47:03,359
>> There we go.

4497
03:47:03,359 --> 03:47:04,239
>> Beautiful.

4498
03:47:04,239 --> 03:47:06,720
>> And we'll we'll uh this this exhibit

4499
03:47:06,720 --> 03:47:08,239
will get updated.

4500
03:47:08,239 --> 03:47:10,000
>> Well, this exhibit would have to be

4501
03:47:10,000 --> 03:47:12,319
updated. It's not simply just labeling

4502
03:47:12,319 --> 03:47:14,000
something one a over here.

4503
03:47:14,000 --> 03:47:15,760
>> Yes, he he's saying he's updating it

4504
03:47:15,760 --> 03:47:18,080
>> and I'll I'll I'll bring this back.

4505
03:47:18,080 --> 03:47:21,670
>> Good.

4506
03:47:21,680 --> 03:47:22,880
» State three.

4507
03:47:22,880 --> 03:47:24,960
>> Do we have the

4508
03:47:24,960 --> 03:47:26,479
>> phase?

4509
03:47:26,479 --> 03:47:27,680
>> So, you're not wanting to do anything

4510
03:47:27,680 --> 03:47:29,760
for phase two next year, correct? Even

4511
03:47:29,760 --> 03:47:31,120
rideaway acquisition.

4512
03:47:31,120 --> 03:47:32,960
>> Uh I don't know that we've I don't know

4513
03:47:32,960 --> 03:47:34,479
that we have any rideway that we need to

4514
03:47:34,479 --> 03:47:35,920
acquire unless there's some down there

4515
03:47:35,920 --> 03:47:36,800
at the corner.

4516
03:47:36,800 --> 03:47:38,800
>> What did you We have it all.

4517
03:47:38,800 --> 03:47:39,279
It's all

4518
03:47:39,279 --> 03:47:42,399
>> showing there.

4519
03:47:42,399 --> 03:47:43,199
>> So all the

4520
03:47:43,199 --> 03:47:45,359
>> huge all the way down that was

4521
03:47:45,359 --> 03:47:46,720
dedicated. [clears throat]

4522
03:47:46,720 --> 03:47:48,560
>> Yeah, there now there may need to be

4523
03:47:48,560 --> 03:47:51,279
some depending on what your direction is

4524
03:47:51,279 --> 03:47:53,359
as far as the intersection treatments,

4525
03:47:53,359 --> 03:47:54,960
>> but we can get into all that and there

4526
03:47:54,960 --> 03:47:56,800
there's there's plenty of money in this

4527
03:47:56,800 --> 03:47:58,399
budget to figure that out. We don't need

4528
03:47:58,399 --> 03:48:00,960
any additional funds for phase two. We

4529
03:48:00,960 --> 03:48:01,520
don't.

4530
03:48:01,520 --> 03:48:05,359
>> Do you want us to put phase one 1A/2 in

4531
03:48:05,359 --> 03:48:06,399
case you need a little?

4532
03:48:06,399 --> 03:48:08,720
>> So Marcy's just labeling it SD3 and

4533
03:48:08,720 --> 03:48:10,560
that's going to clarify everything.

4534
03:48:10,560 --> 03:48:11,199
>> There we go.

4535
03:48:11,199 --> 03:48:11,760
>> Beautiful.

4536
03:48:11,760 --> 03:48:13,359
>> There we go.

4537
03:48:13,359 --> 03:48:16,160
>> I just say they'll check project S3.

4538
03:48:16,160 --> 03:48:16,560
>> Okay.

4539
03:48:16,560 --> 03:48:17,040
>> There we go.

4540
03:48:17,040 --> 03:48:18,720
>> And also Jasmine, in the future, if your

4541
03:48:18,720 --> 03:48:22,000
HOA decided to, they could tie into a

4542
03:48:22,000 --> 03:48:23,680
back entrance for your neighborhood into

4543
03:48:23,680 --> 03:48:25,439
this road, but it's not currently

4544
03:48:25,439 --> 03:48:28,000
planned because

4545
03:48:28,000 --> 03:48:29,199
>> there's not a connection. But there's

4546
03:48:29,199 --> 03:48:30,479
two spots right there that could connect

4547
03:48:30,479 --> 03:48:32,000
if you wanted to.

4548
03:48:32,000 --> 03:48:33,920
>> I'd be curious to see what the community

4549
03:48:33,920 --> 03:48:34,319
thought.

4550
03:48:34,319 --> 03:48:36,000
>> Your HOA would have to decide that.

4551
03:48:36,000 --> 03:48:37,822
>> Yeah.

4552
03:48:37,822 --> 03:48:38,000
[clears throat]

4553
03:48:38,000 --> 03:48:40,000
>> Good point.

4554
03:48:40,000 --> 03:48:42,399
>> Okay. So, we'll bring back this exhibit.

4555
03:48:42,399 --> 03:48:44,560
There's going to be a phase two. There's

4556
03:48:44,560 --> 03:48:46,319
two alternatives that we're going to

4557
03:48:46,319 --> 03:48:48,160
propose for phase two for traffic

4558
03:48:48,160 --> 03:48:50,800
calming and then we'll bring our plans

4559
03:48:50,800 --> 03:48:54,080
for phase one 60% design. And we'll have

4560
03:48:54,080 --> 03:48:56,080
an update for the rideway.

4561
03:48:56,080 --> 03:48:58,479
>> Thank you. in executive session.

4562
03:48:58,479 --> 03:48:59,840
>> Perfect.

4563
03:48:59,840 --> 03:49:01,680
>> Okay.

4564
03:49:01,680 --> 03:49:06,319
Anything else on project SD3?

4565
03:49:06,319 --> 03:49:07,920
>> Go ahead.

4566
03:49:07,920 --> 03:49:10,080
>> Um, it shows on here we don't have any

4567
03:49:10,080 --> 03:49:13,359
money budgeted for S from from past to

4568
03:49:13,359 --> 03:49:14,960
Blue Mountains, right?

4569
03:49:14,960 --> 03:49:15,279
>> Yep.

4570
03:49:15,279 --> 03:49:15,840
>> Is that correct?

4571
03:49:15,840 --> 03:49:16,880
>> That's what we just talked about. We

4572
03:49:16,880 --> 03:49:17,920
don't need it next year.

4573
03:49:17,920 --> 03:49:20,720
>> Okay. I don't know. I I this might not

4574
03:49:20,720 --> 03:49:22,640
sound very popular decision or thought,

4575
03:49:22,640 --> 03:49:25,680
but I feel like we have other projects

4576
03:49:25,680 --> 03:49:27,920
that are like Blue Mound and John Day

4577
03:49:27,920 --> 03:49:29,840
like or Blue Mound and I feel like we

4578
03:49:29,840 --> 03:49:31,439
have other roads that are more important

4579
03:49:31,439 --> 03:49:36,479
right now than than um Interal from past

4580
03:49:36,479 --> 03:49:39,520
cuz that's I mean I don't know how many

4581
03:49:39,520 --> 03:49:41,120
cars going that a day.

4582
03:49:41,120 --> 03:49:43,199
>> It's the danger. It's that road is

4583
03:49:43,199 --> 03:49:44,640
extreme. No, I know it's it's dangerous,

4584
03:49:44,640 --> 03:49:46,560
but I mean like I feel like the Blue

4585
03:49:46,560 --> 03:49:48,319
Mountains, the intersections, I feel

4586
03:49:48,319 --> 03:49:50,080
like we need to put more time and more I

4587
03:49:50,080 --> 03:49:51,439
feel like we need to really get those

4588
03:49:51,439 --> 03:49:55,600
going before John before interal. Um I

4589
03:49:55,600 --> 03:49:58,640
don't know my my mind I think that's a

4590
03:49:58,640 --> 03:50:00,160
down the road. I know it's only a

4591
03:50:00,160 --> 03:50:01,359
two-lane road. I know it's dangerous,

4592
03:50:01,359 --> 03:50:04,239
but I think we need to get the uh

4593
03:50:04,239 --> 03:50:06,640
intermodal phase one done, but I think

4594
03:50:06,640 --> 03:50:08,399
phase two from PAS, I think that could

4595
03:50:08,399 --> 03:50:10,640
wait a good while. I think for sure.

4596
03:50:10,640 --> 03:50:11,760
>> Yeah, that's what's on here. We don't

4597
03:50:11,760 --> 03:50:14,319
have anything until 2031 beyond.

4598
03:50:14,319 --> 03:50:16,640
>> Yeah, we're not doing phase 2 right now.

4599
03:50:16,640 --> 03:50:17,920
>> Okay. Well, we talked about doing we

4600
03:50:17,920 --> 03:50:19,279
talked about doing schematics and stuff

4601
03:50:19,279 --> 03:50:20,319
like that. So, I'm just saying I think

4602
03:50:20,319 --> 03:50:22,319
we should even hold off on that and to

4603
03:50:22,319 --> 03:50:23,600
get everything else. Don't even put any

4604
03:50:23,600 --> 03:50:24,239
money in that.

4605
03:50:24,239 --> 03:50:26,640
>> It's just what he has to do for the like

4606
03:50:26,640 --> 03:50:28,560
overlay. He's not focusing too much on

4607
03:50:28,560 --> 03:50:30,000
phase two. He's going to bring cost for

4608
03:50:30,000 --> 03:50:32,160
us to plan and prepare for future. Okay.

4609
03:50:32,160 --> 03:50:34,160
>> But my understanding is the only part of

4610
03:50:34,160 --> 03:50:34,880
phase two [clears throat] he's really

4611
03:50:34,880 --> 03:50:37,439
touching is what he needs to plan for

4612
03:50:37,439 --> 03:50:38,880
the future. Mike, is that correct?

4613
03:50:38,880 --> 03:50:40,960
>> That's correct. and the the intersection

4614
03:50:40,960 --> 03:50:42,560
at Blue Mound. We can cover the

4615
03:50:42,560 --> 03:50:44,720
intersection design at Blue Mound, which

4616
03:50:44,720 --> 03:50:47,439
is the um that can be covered with the

4617
03:50:47,439 --> 03:50:50,319
schematic for Blue Mound. um that that

4618
03:50:50,319 --> 03:50:53,199
entrance into SweetG Grass, we can we

4619
03:50:53,199 --> 03:50:54,880
can come up with enough during the

4620
03:50:54,880 --> 03:50:57,680
design of phase one and this work that

4621
03:50:57,680 --> 03:50:58,880
we're going to be doing over the next

4622
03:50:58,880 --> 03:51:02,160
couple weeks to update you to know um

4623
03:51:02,160 --> 03:51:04,000
what if any rideway needs because that

4624
03:51:04,000 --> 03:51:06,640
would be critical path would be get your

4625
03:51:06,640 --> 03:51:09,040
direction on how you'd like to calm the

4626
03:51:09,040 --> 03:51:11,680
speeds down. Pick a pick the type of

4627
03:51:11,680 --> 03:51:13,840
design you want, go through our two

4628
03:51:13,840 --> 03:51:15,760
recommended options, and then identify

4629
03:51:15,760 --> 03:51:17,359
the rideway needs. And there's plenty of

4630
03:51:17,359 --> 03:51:19,359
money in this phase one budget to take

4631
03:51:19,359 --> 03:51:21,520
care of that.

4632
03:51:21,520 --> 03:51:25,359
>> We are setting a trailer out next week,

4633
03:51:25,359 --> 03:51:28,560
speed trailers on Interotal

4634
03:51:28,560 --> 03:51:31,359
to take traffic counts and speeds.

4635
03:51:31,359 --> 03:51:32,720
>> Thank you.

4636
03:51:32,720 --> 03:51:36,790
>> That uh [clears throat]

4637
03:51:36,800 --> 03:51:38,800
» so that'll be information and that might

4638
03:51:38,800 --> 03:51:41,279
be available in three or four weeks.

4639
03:51:41,279 --> 03:51:43,680
>> I drive on that road a lot. There's

4640
03:51:43,680 --> 03:51:45,199
actually not a speed limit sign anywhere

4641
03:51:45,199 --> 03:51:48,550
on that road.

4642
03:51:48,560 --> 03:51:53,600
Well, James Tucker thinks it's Ottabon.

4643
03:51:53,600 --> 03:51:55,760
>> So, [clears throat] I I assume it's 35

4644
03:51:55,760 --> 03:51:57,279
because that's, you know, that's what

4645
03:51:57,279 --> 03:51:57,680
they say.

4646
03:51:57,680 --> 03:52:01,199
>> All Urban Street is 30 actually. Is it's

4647
03:52:01,199 --> 03:52:03,680
just residential. Uh that's just state

4648
03:52:03,680 --> 03:52:04,000
law,

4649
03:52:04,000 --> 03:52:05,040
>> but that's not a res.

4650
03:52:05,040 --> 03:52:07,520
>> You're right about that. It's just uh

4651
03:52:07,520 --> 03:52:09,359
you might make a note of that.

4652
03:52:09,359 --> 03:52:11,199
>> There's not a single speed limit sign on

4653
03:52:11,199 --> 03:52:13,040
that road.

4654
03:52:13,040 --> 03:52:13,439
>> Yeah.

4655
03:52:13,439 --> 03:52:14,720
>> 75,

4656
03:52:14,720 --> 03:52:17,279
>> right? No, they go 90. I'm telling you.

4657
03:52:17,279 --> 03:52:18,960
>> From from Blue Mound to over to Hazard

4658
03:52:18,960 --> 03:52:20,800
Parkway on Inner Motoral right there,

4659
03:52:20,800 --> 03:52:23,040
there's not a single speed limit sign.

4660
03:52:23,040 --> 03:52:24,960
>> And it's not and it's not a residential

4661
03:52:24,960 --> 03:52:27,680
road. It's a major road,

4662
03:52:27,680 --> 03:52:28,880
>> arterial, whatever you want to call it.

4663
03:52:28,880 --> 03:52:30,000
So, it shouldn't be 30.

4664
03:52:30,000 --> 03:52:31,680
>> What What would you like for it to be?

4665
03:52:31,680 --> 03:52:33,600
>> 90.

4666
03:52:33,600 --> 03:52:36,560
>> No, I I always assume it's 35 and I

4667
03:52:36,560 --> 03:52:38,880
assume I drive. No one goes 35.

4668
03:52:38,880 --> 03:52:41,040
>> Nobody. But

4669
03:52:41,040 --> 03:52:45,189
>> I go 36.

4670
03:52:45,199 --> 03:52:46,239
What's next?

4671
03:52:46,239 --> 03:52:47,359
>> ST.

4672
03:52:47,359 --> 03:52:49,359
>> Everyone good with one, two, three, and

4673
03:52:49,359 --> 03:52:51,439
four? We're moving on to

4674
03:52:51,439 --> 03:52:52,880
>> I just had one question from when I was

4675
03:52:52,880 --> 03:52:56,560
nurse or sorry um the [laughter]

4676
03:52:56,560 --> 03:53:00,960
>> sorry the the rightway acquisition for

4677
03:53:00,960 --> 03:53:07,110
um John Day who's doing that?

4678
03:53:07,120 --> 03:53:08,720
» Who's physically going to do that?

4679
03:53:08,720 --> 03:53:10,880
>> Who's working on those conversations?

4680
03:53:10,880 --> 03:53:11,600
Um,

4681
03:53:11,600 --> 03:53:14,080
>> with regard to what portion of John Day

4682
03:53:14,080 --> 03:53:15,120
Road,

4683
03:53:15,120 --> 03:53:16,640
>> the south, the one that we're working

4684
03:53:16,640 --> 03:53:20,160
>> talking about John Day Road, any um the

4685
03:53:20,160 --> 03:53:22,319
right away, the north south aspect of

4686
03:53:22,319 --> 03:53:24,000
it. You're not talking about anything on

4687
03:53:24,000 --> 03:53:25,279
Blue Road, are you?

4688
03:53:25,279 --> 03:53:27,120
>> Correct. I'm talking about

4689
03:53:27,120 --> 03:53:31,670
>> all of south of John Day.

4690
03:53:31,680 --> 03:53:34,239
» Oh, I guess that's SD5. I can wait.

4691
03:53:34,239 --> 03:53:35,840
>> You can wait. That's where we're about

4692
03:53:35,840 --> 03:53:37,279
to go. So, that's a good

4693
03:53:37,279 --> 03:53:38,800
>> I misread. I'm sorry. That's a good

4694
03:53:38,800 --> 03:53:40,800
segue into SD5.

4695
03:53:40,800 --> 03:53:41,520
>> Perfect.

4696
03:53:41,520 --> 03:53:45,439
>> So, John Day Road, um,

4697
03:53:45,439 --> 03:53:47,760
this is the southern portion that's

4698
03:53:47,760 --> 03:53:50,560
built currently as a two-lane black top

4699
03:53:50,560 --> 03:53:54,880
road. We put this rough concept together

4700
03:53:54,880 --> 03:53:57,040
a couple of years ago when we were

4701
03:53:57,040 --> 03:53:59,199
trying to coordinate and plan the

4702
03:53:59,199 --> 03:54:02,880
entrances into the Lrrell property.

4703
03:54:02,880 --> 03:54:06,960
And so, um,

4704
03:54:06,960 --> 03:54:09,120
one of the things that that we were

4705
03:54:09,120 --> 03:54:12,160
asked to look at a couple of months ago

4706
03:54:12,160 --> 03:54:15,920
was, um, what can we do to get going on

4707
03:54:15,920 --> 03:54:18,239
the design indoor rideway acquisition

4708
03:54:18,239 --> 03:54:20,479
for John Day Road? This piece of John

4709
03:54:20,479 --> 03:54:22,160
Day Road. Um,

4710
03:54:22,160 --> 03:54:23,760
>> are you telling me that LRL is going to

4711
03:54:23,760 --> 03:54:25,040
have two exits from their neighborhood

4712
03:54:25,040 --> 03:54:26,080
onto that road?

4713
03:54:26,080 --> 03:54:26,560
>> Yes.

4714
03:54:26,560 --> 03:54:28,720
>> Oh my gosh.

4715
03:54:28,720 --> 03:54:31,120
and those and so subsequent to that

4716
03:54:31,120 --> 03:54:35,199
meeting that council meeting where you all said hey we want to look

4717
03:54:35,199 --> 03:54:37,199
into this go figure it out what it would

4718
03:54:37,199 --> 03:54:41,439
take um the lapril developer has brought

4719
03:54:41,439 --> 03:54:44,080
his plans in and said we need to work

4720
03:54:44,080 --> 03:54:47,120
with the city to lower

4721
03:54:47,120 --> 03:54:50,720
um or to install drainage coverts and

4722
03:54:50,720 --> 03:54:53,600
this isn't exact but it's close enough

4723
03:54:53,600 --> 03:54:56,960
there's there's a three ponds I don't

4724
03:54:56,960 --> 03:54:58,640
know if this is right or not, it doesn't

4725
03:54:58,640 --> 03:55:00,960
matter. It's close enough.

4726
03:55:00,960 --> 03:55:03,600
There's three ponds that have to go in

4727
03:55:03,600 --> 03:55:06,080
for this development. They're roughly

4728
03:55:06,080 --> 03:55:07,760
where I'm showing here on the screen.

4729
03:55:07,760 --> 03:55:08,720
>> Yeah, you can see they're already

4730
03:55:08,720 --> 03:55:09,359
working on them.

4731
03:55:09,359 --> 03:55:10,640
>> Oh, yeah.

4732
03:55:10,640 --> 03:55:12,880
>> So, the that road when that road was

4733
03:55:12,880 --> 03:55:16,160
built, that road was built above grade.

4734
03:55:16,160 --> 03:55:18,720
So the coverts, in order for them to

4735
03:55:18,720 --> 03:55:20,479
drain their ponds, which are lower than

4736
03:55:20,479 --> 03:55:23,199
the roadway, they have to come in and

4737
03:55:23,199 --> 03:55:25,439
install coververts, cross cover culverts

4738
03:55:25,439 --> 03:55:28,000
underneath John Day Road to drain their

4739
03:55:28,000 --> 03:55:31,359
detention ponds underneath John Day Road

4740
03:55:31,359 --> 03:55:37,840
and then out into that 97 acres. So the property owner of the 97 acres and

4741
03:55:37,840 --> 03:55:40,399
the developer of LRL

4742
03:55:40,399 --> 03:55:42,319
have an agreement in place and have a

4743
03:55:42,319 --> 03:55:44,080
set of construction plans that they gave

4744
03:55:44,080 --> 03:55:46,160
to us two weeks ago that said here's

4745
03:55:46,160 --> 03:55:48,479
what we need to do here. And I said, you

4746
03:55:48,479 --> 03:55:51,680
know, this seems reasonable, but we need

4747
03:55:51,680 --> 03:55:54,160
to make sure that when you guys go and

4748
03:55:54,160 --> 03:55:56,880
do this that these coverts are set at

4749
03:55:56,880 --> 03:55:58,560
the right elevation so that they can

4750
03:55:58,560 --> 03:56:00,319
accommodate the ultimate roadway

4751
03:56:00,319 --> 03:56:03,439
improvements. Does that make sense to do

4752
03:56:03,439 --> 03:56:05,279
that? You know, they're not proposing to

4753
03:56:05,279 --> 03:56:08,239
go design the road. Um, I did tell them

4754
03:56:08,239 --> 03:56:09,840
that, you know, it's going to take us a

4755
03:56:09,840 --> 03:56:11,439
little bit of time to figure out from

4756
03:56:11,439 --> 03:56:14,080
the city's perspective what what the

4757
03:56:14,080 --> 03:56:16,000
necessary elevation of those facilities

4758
03:56:16,000 --> 03:56:17,840
should be, the sizing of them because

4759
03:56:17,840 --> 03:56:23,600
it's crossing underneath the road um is is set up to just take their flow

4760
03:56:23,600 --> 03:56:26,720
from their detention pond. And so we've

4761
03:56:26,720 --> 03:56:29,840
got some money in here to do basically

4762
03:56:29,840 --> 03:56:34,399
the schematic design of that roadway as

4763
03:56:34,399 --> 03:56:38,080
part of this next year's budget and

4764
03:56:38,080 --> 03:56:41,439
coordinate with the lapel folks and

4765
03:56:41,439 --> 03:56:45,760
their their project. I think they're hoping to have those facilities

4766
03:56:45,760 --> 03:56:49,760
in place by March of 27. That's when

4767
03:56:49,760 --> 03:56:51,040
they really need to have those

4768
03:56:51,040 --> 03:56:54,000
facilities in place. And so we we

4769
03:56:54,000 --> 03:56:56,640
haven't even really we just got the

4770
03:56:56,640 --> 03:56:59,040
final grading plans for the subdivision.

4771
03:56:59,040 --> 03:57:01,120
They they sent those separate and aside

4772
03:57:01,120 --> 03:57:03,199
from the drainage improvements. So we

4773
03:57:03,199 --> 03:57:05,520
haven't really got into those. But um

4774
03:57:05,520 --> 03:57:06,960
>> will they have to shut down the road to

4775
03:57:06,960 --> 03:57:08,399
do part of this?

4776
03:57:08,399 --> 03:57:13,040
>> Oh, I'm sure they Yeah, it's they're box culverts.

4777
03:57:13,040 --> 03:57:14,720
So that will be one of the things that

4778
03:57:14,720 --> 03:57:17,040
we have to figure out is traffic control

4779
03:57:17,040 --> 03:57:17,760
and

4780
03:57:17,760 --> 03:57:19,120
>> when they're going to do it and how

4781
03:57:19,120 --> 03:57:20,479
they're going to do it. Yes, sir.

4782
03:57:20,479 --> 03:57:23,760
>> 3:00 in the morning only. They're also

4783
03:57:23,760 --> 03:57:26,640
across the street working on that 16inch

4784
03:57:26,640 --> 03:57:28,800
water line

4785
03:57:28,800 --> 03:57:30,560
that they've been interrupted because

4786
03:57:30,560 --> 03:57:32,560
there's gas lines over there that they

4787
03:57:32,560 --> 03:57:33,840
didn't locate during the design. Be

4788
03:57:33,840 --> 03:57:34,720
>> a rough year.

4789
03:57:34,720 --> 03:57:36,560
>> So, they found those out last was that

4790
03:57:36,560 --> 03:57:37,359
last week?

4791
03:57:37,359 --> 03:57:39,120
>> What' you say, Jasmine?

4792
03:57:39,120 --> 03:57:40,960
>> So, that project shut down while they go

4793
03:57:40,960 --> 03:57:42,960
back and redo their engineering plans

4794
03:57:42,960 --> 03:57:44,080
and send them back in.

4795
03:57:44,080 --> 03:57:46,160
>> So, that is not currently in our budget.

4796
03:57:46,160 --> 03:57:48,720
Correct. That 200,000.

4797
03:57:48,720 --> 03:57:50,160
>> That's right. That's correct.

4798
03:57:50,160 --> 03:57:53,760
>> Yeah. So, if you wanted to add that um

4799
03:57:53,760 --> 03:57:55,120
>> I'm sorry, what do we need the 200,000

4800
03:57:55,120 --> 03:57:55,359
for?

4801
03:57:55,359 --> 03:57:56,239
>> 55

4802
03:57:56,239 --> 03:57:59,439
>> 200,000 would get the get John Day road

4803
03:57:59,439 --> 03:58:01,840
set up for for an ultimate schematic

4804
03:58:01,840 --> 03:58:02,960
design.

4805
03:58:02,960 --> 03:58:05,600
>> Get a pavement design report, geotech,

4806
03:58:05,600 --> 03:58:07,279
identify the rideway, get the rideway

4807
03:58:07,279 --> 03:58:09,920
docks prepared, do the horizontal and

4808
03:58:09,920 --> 03:58:10,880
vertical.

4809
03:58:10,880 --> 03:58:12,960
>> So, we would need we would need 200,000

4810
03:58:12,960 --> 03:58:15,040
this year, 800 the next year, 310 the

4811
03:58:15,040 --> 03:58:16,880
next year, and then 7.8 to build it.

4812
03:58:16,880 --> 03:58:18,560
>> That's Yeah, if you want some point

4813
03:58:18,560 --> 03:58:20,560
>> Yeah. If you wanted to do the $ 8.4

4814
03:58:20,560 --> 03:58:22,560
million project, build four lanes of

4815
03:58:22,560 --> 03:58:24,319
concrete,

4816
03:58:24,319 --> 03:58:25,680
>> that's what it would take to get

4817
03:58:25,680 --> 03:58:27,520
>> four lanes of not the black top is there

4818
03:58:27,520 --> 03:58:27,920
now.

4819
03:58:27,920 --> 03:58:29,359
>> Correct. Build it just like the north

4820
03:58:29,359 --> 03:58:30,880
end in L. Yes, sir.

4821
03:58:30,880 --> 03:58:33,040
>> And that's without the roundabouts.

4822
03:58:33,040 --> 03:58:35,120
>> No, I got the roundabouts factored in.

4823
03:58:35,120 --> 03:58:38,080
>> Okay. So, I kind of want to speak to

4824
03:58:38,080 --> 03:58:41,199
everyone for a minute. To me, this road

4825
03:58:41,199 --> 03:58:43,120
would be one of the top most important

4826
03:58:43,120 --> 03:58:44,560
ones in the city besides the

4827
03:58:44,560 --> 03:58:46,560
intersections. And that's because we

4828
03:58:46,560 --> 03:58:48,640
have to look to the future for the

4829
03:58:48,640 --> 03:58:51,120
bridge and also the incoming traffic

4830
03:58:51,120 --> 03:58:53,680
from there's three streets emptying out.

4831
03:58:53,680 --> 03:58:56,880
And then also they haven't set exact

4832
03:58:56,880 --> 03:58:58,160
plans, but they can have anywhere from

4833
03:58:58,160 --> 03:58:59,760
two, correct me if I'm wrong, four.

4834
03:58:59,760 --> 03:59:01,600
Can't they have a total of four exits or

4835
03:59:01,600 --> 03:59:02,880
is it only the two

4836
03:59:02,880 --> 03:59:03,040
>> um

4837
03:59:03,040 --> 03:59:05,279
>> for the ILA? That would be

4838
03:59:05,279 --> 03:59:06,720
>> I thought l

4839
03:59:06,720 --> 03:59:08,960
>> No, four.

4840
03:59:08,960 --> 03:59:11,199
>> Uh triple T is five.

4841
03:59:11,199 --> 03:59:12,640
>> Yeah, that's what I thought. I thought

4842
03:59:12,640 --> 03:59:14,720
it was significantly more. So between

4843
03:59:14,720 --> 03:59:16,319
all that emptying out and then the

4844
03:59:16,319 --> 03:59:18,399
future construction where we will at

4845
03:59:18,399 --> 03:59:20,560
some point have that bridge exit shut

4846
03:59:20,560 --> 03:59:23,040
down, you're talking about a community

4847
03:59:23,040 --> 03:59:26,239
trapped to a a one each way, so two-lane

4848
03:59:26,239 --> 03:59:27,920
road. We're going to have a huge problem

4849
03:59:27,920 --> 03:59:30,399
if we don't get ahead of fixing John

4850
03:59:30,399 --> 03:59:30,880
Day.

4851
03:59:30,880 --> 03:59:31,439
>> Absolutely.

4852
03:59:31,439 --> 03:59:33,199
>> Um and that's not just a traffic

4853
03:59:33,199 --> 03:59:36,800
concern, it's a safety concern. Um, I

4854
03:59:36,800 --> 03:59:39,120
personally would like to see us

4855
03:59:39,120 --> 03:59:40,880
prioritize this, even if we have to

4856
03:59:40,880 --> 03:59:43,359
remove something else, and put a million

4857
03:59:43,359 --> 03:59:45,279
to start getting that rightway acquired

4858
03:59:45,279 --> 03:59:46,479
because it's just going to get more

4859
03:59:46,479 --> 03:59:49,840
expensive. Um, and so we can also start

4860
03:59:49,840 --> 03:59:52,239
speaking to our partners about getting

4861
03:59:52,239 --> 03:59:53,439
them to go in on the funding. The

4862
03:59:53,439 --> 03:59:55,120
rightway is just really important.

4863
03:59:55,120 --> 03:59:56,479
They're about to start building on

4864
03:59:56,479 --> 03:59:58,000
Triple T. They're trying to figure out

4865
03:59:58,000 --> 03:59:59,920
who's interested. I think we get the

4866
03:59:59,920 --> 04:00:01,600
right away while that land's empty. It's

4867
04:00:01,600 --> 04:00:02,880
going to be a little easier and probably

4868
04:00:02,880 --> 04:00:04,640
a little cheaper. Just

4869
04:00:04,640 --> 04:00:07,920
>> when we talk about that Monday night,

4870
04:00:07,920 --> 04:00:09,680
>> I I'm talking about putting it in the

4871
04:00:09,680 --> 04:00:10,960
budget for next year.

4872
04:00:10,960 --> 04:00:12,960
>> Okay.

4873
04:00:12,960 --> 04:00:14,560
>> Not the details. I just think we should

4874
04:00:14,560 --> 04:00:16,720
put more than even if we don't do all

4875
04:00:16,720 --> 04:00:18,640
I'm Well, that's one landowner. Wouldn't

4876
04:00:18,640 --> 04:00:19,680
it be one purchase?

4877
04:00:19,680 --> 04:00:20,960
>> Yeah, it'd be pretty straightforward.

4878
04:00:20,960 --> 04:00:23,199
It's just expensive.

4879
04:00:23,199 --> 04:00:25,600
>> So 1 million would be the 200,000 for

4880
04:00:25,600 --> 04:00:26,960
this year and the 800,000.

4881
04:00:26,960 --> 04:00:29,120
>> You want to slide that 800 over to this

4882
04:00:29,120 --> 04:00:29,760
year?

4883
04:00:29,760 --> 04:00:31,359
>> I think we need to. We're going to have

4884
04:00:31,359 --> 04:00:32,960
to move this up the bridge. Let's let's

4885
04:00:32,960 --> 04:00:35,279
put in the 1 million if that's if we

4886
04:00:35,279 --> 04:00:36,720
agree and then we can go back and look

4887
04:00:36,720 --> 04:00:37,920
and see

4888
04:00:37,920 --> 04:00:40,399
>> how that plays out with in the budget.

4889
04:00:40,399 --> 04:00:41,840
>> Mike, would you agree that it'll get

4890
04:00:41,840 --> 04:00:43,279
more expensive as they develop that

4891
04:00:43,279 --> 04:00:45,760
land, especially if they parcel it out

4892
04:00:45,760 --> 04:00:47,199
to different

4893
04:00:47,199 --> 04:00:52,640
>> Yes. And we don't we've been told by the property owner that they don't

4894
04:00:52,640 --> 04:00:54,800
have any intent to plat the property

4895
04:00:54,800 --> 04:00:56,720
that they intent to parcel it out in 10

4896
04:00:56,720 --> 04:01:01,040
acre parcels or more which would then

4897
04:01:01,040 --> 04:01:04,160
multip them to dedicate right away.

4898
04:01:04,160 --> 04:01:05,520
>> Okay. So we do need to get in front of

4899
04:01:05,520 --> 04:01:06,399
this in your

4900
04:01:06,399 --> 04:01:08,720
>> Yes. I would recommend that. And I I

4901
04:01:08,720 --> 04:01:11,040
mean I yeah I agree with the $1 million

4902
04:01:11,040 --> 04:01:13,701
placeholder, but we also possibly

4903
04:01:13,701 --> 04:01:15,760
[clears throat] hopefully you have a

4904
04:01:15,760 --> 04:01:17,600
little bit of the right of way for the

4905
04:01:17,600 --> 04:01:19,680
John Day improvements could be less. And

4906
04:01:19,680 --> 04:01:21,600
then there's a couple other things I I

4907
04:01:21,600 --> 04:01:23,199
want to talk about possibly sliding out.

4908
04:01:23,199 --> 04:01:24,960
So I'm okay with 1 million because I

4909
04:01:24,960 --> 04:01:26,640
agree with what you said.

4910
04:01:26,640 --> 04:01:28,720
>> And then just for future Mike, when

4911
04:01:28,720 --> 04:01:30,319
you're doing the rightway acquisition

4912
04:01:30,319 --> 04:01:32,560
for this, I would like to possibly be a

4913
04:01:32,560 --> 04:01:34,560
part of it with Joe. We did establish

4914
04:01:34,560 --> 04:01:36,479
kind of a relationship with them back a

4915
04:01:36,479 --> 04:01:39,199
few months ago. I think just if we can

4916
04:01:39,199 --> 04:01:42,399
be a part of those conversations.

4917
04:01:42,399 --> 04:01:45,120
>> Understood.

4918
04:01:45,120 --> 04:01:47,439
>> Um

4919
04:01:47,439 --> 04:01:47,760
Mike,

4920
04:01:47,760 --> 04:01:50,080
>> so is there consensus on that?

4921
04:01:50,080 --> 04:01:52,560
>> So how much money are you adding

4922
04:01:52,560 --> 04:01:54,880
million? What project? John Day Road.

4923
04:01:54,880 --> 04:01:56,479
>> There's no line. So it' be a new line

4924
04:01:56,479 --> 04:01:58,800
item for SD51 million.

4925
04:01:58,800 --> 04:02:01,199
>> I'm going with 1 million, Chris.

4926
04:02:01,199 --> 04:02:02,880
>> And that is for right away.

4927
04:02:02,880 --> 04:02:04,160
>> Undecided.

4928
04:02:04,160 --> 04:02:06,160
>> Schematic and right away. I thought you

4929
04:02:06,160 --> 04:02:07,760
guys were doing a stare down.

4930
04:02:07,760 --> 04:02:09,279
>> We We got to get ahead of it. We can't

4931
04:02:09,279 --> 04:02:10,560
We We We got to get going.

4932
04:02:10,560 --> 04:02:12,479
>> I would give up like almost anything

4933
04:02:12,479 --> 04:02:13,840
else just because I I

4934
04:02:13,840 --> 04:02:14,960
>> have some ideas to get

4935
04:02:14,960 --> 04:02:16,399
>> I'm trying to get a hold of the numbers.

4936
04:02:16,399 --> 04:02:17,199
Y'all just signed

4937
04:02:17,199 --> 04:02:19,760
>> 1 million schematic and rideway John Day

4938
04:02:19,760 --> 04:02:20,960
Road South.

4939
04:02:20,960 --> 04:02:23,359
>> Okay. You've got that already.

4940
04:02:23,359 --> 04:02:25,520
>> Oh, you going to move the 800,000 up

4941
04:02:25,520 --> 04:02:27,520
now? No, I'm I'm saying we're putting

4942
04:02:27,520 --> 04:02:29,359
one million We would like to put $1

4943
04:02:29,359 --> 04:02:33,040
million into the budget for project SD5,

4944
04:02:33,040 --> 04:02:35,520
which is John Day Road South schematic

4945
04:02:35,520 --> 04:02:36,880
and right ofway.

4946
04:02:36,880 --> 04:02:39,840
>> That 200,000 is not in the current. So,

4947
04:02:39,840 --> 04:02:42,640
they're putting both years in.

4948
04:02:42,640 --> 04:02:43,680
>> Correct.

4949
04:02:43,680 --> 04:02:45,840
>> So, we're going to replace the 200,000

4950
04:02:45,840 --> 04:02:48,800
with 1 million and put

4951
04:02:48,800 --> 04:02:52,319
>> the 200,000 is not in the proposed. So,

4952
04:02:52,319 --> 04:02:54,319
they're adding a million,

4953
04:02:54,319 --> 04:03:07,510
>> right? That that's what I said. Okay.

4954
04:03:07,520 --> 04:03:09,120
» Okay.

4955
04:03:09,120 --> 04:03:10,640
>> Uh Mike, one question.

4956
04:03:10,640 --> 04:03:12,080
>> Yes sir.

4957
04:03:12,080 --> 04:03:18,640
>> Um so in 20 29 20 2930 we need 7.8. Is

4958
04:03:18,640 --> 04:03:21,600
there some way that uh we can

4959
04:03:21,600 --> 04:03:24,319
>> Sorry, did I say it wrong?

4960
04:03:24,319 --> 04:03:29,199
at on 20 2930 7.8 to to finish this.

4961
04:03:29,199 --> 04:03:30,960
>> It could be a year earlier if because

4962
04:03:30,960 --> 04:03:32,640
we're putting year one and two already

4963
04:03:32,640 --> 04:03:33,359
in.

4964
04:03:33,359 --> 04:03:33,760
>> I know,

4965
04:03:33,760 --> 04:03:34,640
>> but what Yeah.

4966
04:03:34,640 --> 04:03:37,600
>> Um we currently don't have the money to

4967
04:03:37,600 --> 04:03:40,000
do all this at once. So is there and

4968
04:03:40,000 --> 04:03:42,560
that would be wonder if we did. Um but

4969
04:03:42,560 --> 04:03:44,800
can is there somebody like at Lapril or

4970
04:03:44,800 --> 04:03:46,479
is there somebody like that that we

4971
04:03:46,479 --> 04:03:47,680
could talk to or is there a way that

4972
04:03:47,680 --> 04:03:50,239
lapel could help us out with this money?

4973
04:03:50,239 --> 04:03:52,000
Um I think we've talked about this

4974
04:03:52,000 --> 04:03:53,520
recently, but could you is that

4975
04:03:53,520 --> 04:03:54,800
something we could talk about now or is

4976
04:03:54,800 --> 04:03:55,120
that

4977
04:03:55,120 --> 04:03:56,800
>> We could also talk to ENTOG. We could

4978
04:03:56,800 --> 04:03:58,319
also do a bond. I mean all

4979
04:03:58,319 --> 04:03:59,760
>> Yeah. One of one of the things that I

4980
04:03:59,760 --> 04:04:01,439
would recommend is that some discussion

4981
04:04:01,439 --> 04:04:04,160
be held with Fort Worth because there's

4982
04:04:04,160 --> 04:04:06,560
uh the the impact fees that are going to

4983
04:04:06,560 --> 04:04:09,040
be paid by the builder, which is Laprell

4984
04:04:09,040 --> 04:04:11,520
himself. He had to build all of Waggley

4985
04:04:11,520 --> 04:04:14,960
Robertson through his subdivision. and

4986
04:04:14,960 --> 04:04:17,840
they were talking about uh the

4987
04:04:17,840 --> 04:04:20,399
possibility of the him also paying

4988
04:04:20,399 --> 04:04:23,120
impact fees. We looked into and we had

4989
04:04:23,120 --> 04:04:25,840
some discussions with the impact fee uh

4990
04:04:25,840 --> 04:04:27,680
program manager for Fort Worth a couple

4991
04:04:27,680 --> 04:04:29,680
years ago. She said that they couldn't

4992
04:04:29,680 --> 04:04:31,520
remit those impact fees to us because

4993
04:04:31,520 --> 04:04:33,840
that road wasn't identified in their

4994
04:04:33,840 --> 04:04:36,399
impact fee program. But I would suggest

4995
04:04:36,399 --> 04:04:38,239
that maybe some additional discussions

4996
04:04:38,239 --> 04:04:40,640
be held with Fort Worth and just do it

4997
04:04:40,640 --> 04:04:46,399
through an agreement of some sort. We've we've got the data that shows the

4998
04:04:46,399 --> 04:04:48,880
percentage of traffic um onto that

4999
04:04:48,880 --> 04:04:52,160
roadway. Uh the the adjacent property is

5000
04:04:52,160 --> 04:04:54,319
currently located in the county. So,

5001
04:04:54,319 --> 04:04:55,439
we've got a a

5002
04:04:55,439 --> 04:04:56,319
>> good argument,

5003
04:04:56,319 --> 04:04:58,319
>> a breakdown and we've also got the

5004
04:04:58,319 --> 04:05:01,279
background traffic from Lata. So, I

5005
04:05:01,279 --> 04:05:03,920
think those discussions need to occur um

5006
04:05:03,920 --> 04:05:06,000
in order to find some additional

5007
04:05:06,000 --> 04:05:08,160
partners to chip away at that 7.8

5008
04:05:08,160 --> 04:05:10,399
million.

5009
04:05:10,399 --> 04:05:12,319
But the but the initial funding and the

5010
04:05:12,319 --> 04:05:14,640
initial lifting and agreements and all

5011
04:05:14,640 --> 04:05:16,239
the things it's it's important to get

5012
04:05:16,239 --> 04:05:18,560
that going because it's this one this

5013
04:05:18,560 --> 04:05:20,800
one should go quicker I think than the

5014
04:05:20,800 --> 04:05:22,319
intersections because there's fewer

5015
04:05:22,319 --> 04:05:24,160
utilities to move and you're only

5016
04:05:24,160 --> 04:05:25,439
dealing with one particular property

5017
04:05:25,439 --> 04:05:27,040
owner for right away. If we started

5018
04:05:27,040 --> 04:05:28,560
meeting with the Fort Worth and Laprrell

5019
04:05:28,560 --> 04:05:30,960
and all that and with the impact fees

5020
04:05:30,960 --> 04:05:32,800
and stuff, that's something that we

5021
04:05:32,800 --> 04:05:34,800
could probably start now discussions and

5022
04:05:34,800 --> 04:05:36,560
maybe next year hopefully, you know,

5023
04:05:36,560 --> 04:05:38,080
those discussions go good, get some

5024
04:05:38,080 --> 04:05:40,160
extra money to help out.

5025
04:05:40,160 --> 04:05:40,560
>> Is that correct?

5026
04:05:40,560 --> 04:05:42,080
>> Yeah, I think that there's there's money

5027
04:05:42,080 --> 04:05:44,720
in here to to support that effort from

5028
04:05:44,720 --> 04:05:46,399
our perspective. We could we could

5029
04:05:46,399 --> 04:05:48,239
definitely support whatever

5030
04:05:48,239 --> 04:05:50,080
>> whatever discussions need to be had.

5031
04:05:50,080 --> 04:05:51,920
We've got the breakdown of traffic. We

5032
04:05:51,920 --> 04:05:53,600
just really need to get a little bit

5033
04:05:53,600 --> 04:05:55,600
into the design so we can fine-tune that

5034
04:05:55,600 --> 04:05:59,040
cost a little bit and u ultimately

5035
04:05:59,040 --> 04:06:00,960
decide on a footprint in the rideway.

5036
04:06:00,960 --> 04:06:02,080
>> Exactly. Yeah. When I brought this

5037
04:06:02,080 --> 04:06:05,120
forward a few months ago or six weeks

5038
04:06:05,120 --> 04:06:07,199
ago, um that was the whole intent is to

5039
04:06:07,199 --> 04:06:09,520
just get this to kind of the schematics

5040
04:06:09,520 --> 04:06:12,080
and try to get the rightway acquired

5041
04:06:12,080 --> 04:06:13,920
because it sets us up for them to want

5042
04:06:13,920 --> 04:06:15,439
to partner with us when we're too far

5043
04:06:15,439 --> 04:06:16,479
out into the future. They're like,

5044
04:06:16,479 --> 04:06:18,800
"Maybe I can help you, maybe I can't."

5045
04:06:18,800 --> 04:06:20,160
Like what does it look like? What are

5046
04:06:20,160 --> 04:06:22,319
exactly are we asking for from them? And

5047
04:06:22,319 --> 04:06:24,479
how ready to go are we? Because also

5048
04:06:24,479 --> 04:06:28,399
Hasllet has a tendency of kind of

5049
04:06:28,399 --> 04:06:30,239
not agreeing on the path forward and in

5050
04:06:30,239 --> 04:06:32,000
this situation we're saying we're all

5051
04:06:32,000 --> 04:06:33,840
moving forward in this. This is how much

5052
04:06:33,840 --> 04:06:35,840
we need to get it done. Here's the

5053
04:06:35,840 --> 04:06:37,680
benefit. Here's the studies. So we go

5054
04:06:37,680 --> 04:06:39,520
with them to or go to them with

5055
04:06:39,520 --> 04:06:43,680
everything we need and just say help us

5056
04:06:43,680 --> 04:06:53,429
please.

5057
04:06:53,439 --> 04:06:55,040
» So

5058
04:06:55,040 --> 04:06:57,439
where we landed was 1 million, right?

5059
04:06:57,439 --> 04:06:59,545
>> Okay.

5060
04:06:59,545 --> 04:07:00,880
[clears throat]

5061
04:07:00,880 --> 04:07:04,239
>> Okay. Next project we have uh fund 20

5062
04:07:04,239 --> 04:07:06,160
roadway improvements.

5063
04:07:06,160 --> 04:07:09,199
Um I don't have the sheets you all have.

5064
04:07:09,199 --> 04:07:10,720
>> They're all in.

5065
04:07:10,720 --> 04:07:13,600
>> in the transportation tax fund.

5066
04:07:13,600 --> 04:07:16,239
>> So So let's walk through these real

5067
04:07:16,239 --> 04:07:17,600
quick one by one. They're pretty

5068
04:07:17,600 --> 04:07:20,000
straightforward projects. First one is a

5069
04:07:20,000 --> 04:07:22,319
set of striping and pavement marking

5070
04:07:22,319 --> 04:07:24,720
improvements that we recommend being

5071
04:07:24,720 --> 04:07:28,239
done uh for Westport Interotal Harmon

5072
04:07:28,239 --> 04:07:31,279
Blue Mound Keller Hasslet. I think um

5073
04:07:31,279 --> 04:07:33,520
we're still under we're still under

5074
04:07:33,520 --> 04:07:35,680
maintenance on that one. So, I put a

5075
04:07:35,680 --> 04:07:38,000
note in to get that one dealt with. I

5076
04:07:38,000 --> 04:07:40,160
did see that those pavement markings

5077
04:07:40,160 --> 04:07:43,680
aren't holding up too well at 156.

5078
04:07:43,680 --> 04:07:45,439
So, we've got a note in to get with our

5079
04:07:45,439 --> 04:07:47,920
contractor on that, but just some

5080
04:07:47,920 --> 04:07:52,319
pavement marking and improvements and we feel like that's a good good number

5081
04:07:52,319 --> 04:07:55,520
to start with for those. Um,

5082
04:07:55,520 --> 04:07:58,479
Verona emergency repair.

5083
04:07:58,479 --> 04:08:00,239
Did we were we trying to get that done

5084
04:08:00,239 --> 04:08:02,560
in this budget?

5085
04:08:02,560 --> 04:08:02,960
That's

5086
04:08:02,960 --> 04:08:04,479
>> this budget year is taken care of

5087
04:08:04,479 --> 04:08:05,120
already.

5088
04:08:05,120 --> 04:08:06,399
>> Okay.

5089
04:08:06,399 --> 04:08:08,960
>> So, that one's done.

5090
04:08:08,960 --> 04:08:12,319
Then we had Hasset Park interim repairs.

5091
04:08:12,319 --> 04:08:14,720
Real similar to that recent set of

5092
04:08:14,720 --> 04:08:16,160
improvements that was done back in

5093
04:08:16,160 --> 04:08:18,960
April, May where we came in and got rid

5094
04:08:18,960 --> 04:08:21,439
of that busted up unreinforced concrete

5095
04:08:21,439 --> 04:08:23,920
and put down hot mix.

5096
04:08:23,920 --> 04:08:26,880
I think we anticipate what was it

5097
04:08:26,880 --> 04:08:30,000
Shriber that needed the next set of

5098
04:08:30,000 --> 04:08:33,040
interim repairs. Was

5099
04:08:33,040 --> 04:08:35,359
that the is that the 100,000? I see

5100
04:08:35,359 --> 04:08:37,680
100,000.

5101
04:08:37,680 --> 04:08:43,199
>> Um, water crest. We had Verona. Um,

5102
04:08:43,199 --> 04:08:45,840
this is Verona. I I pulled this out.

5103
04:08:45,840 --> 04:08:47,760
This was from last year. I think I

5104
04:08:47,760 --> 04:08:50,319
presented this. This

5105
04:08:50,319 --> 04:08:52,560
is the half million dollar block right

5106
04:08:52,560 --> 04:08:55,199
here. This has to get rebuilt. We

5107
04:08:55,199 --> 04:08:58,080
anticipate the source of that failure is

5108
04:08:58,080 --> 04:08:59,920
inadequate compaction on that sewer

5109
04:08:59,920 --> 04:09:01,840
trench. And so we were proposing to come

5110
04:09:01,840 --> 04:09:05,760
back in and uh get that all rebuilt in a

5111
04:09:05,760 --> 04:09:07,359
manner consistent with what the

5112
04:09:07,359 --> 04:09:09,199
developer had done in Sweetgrass phase

5113
04:09:09,199 --> 04:09:11,520
2. Now

5114
04:09:11,520 --> 04:09:13,760
>> that's in water crest. That's Verona.

5115
04:09:13,760 --> 04:09:14,080
Yes.

5116
04:09:14,080 --> 04:09:16,319
>> So that's on on top of the

5117
04:09:16,319 --> 04:09:18,000
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

5118
04:09:18,000 --> 04:09:18,960
>> It's in the vines.

5119
04:09:18,960 --> 04:09:20,239
>> Oh, the vines. I'm sorry.

5120
04:09:20,239 --> 04:09:24,640
>> That's their main main and out.

5121
04:09:24,640 --> 04:09:28,000
>> So there's two Verona repairs. No, this

5122
04:09:28,000 --> 04:09:30,880
is this is the only ver well there was a

5123
04:09:30,880 --> 04:09:33,600
Verona emergency repair.

5124
04:09:33,600 --> 04:09:35,520
>> Yeah, we did a repair earlier in the

5125
04:09:35,520 --> 04:09:38,080
year and then this is pretty critical

5126
04:09:38,080 --> 04:09:39,760
that this gets done. This is just

5127
04:09:39,760 --> 04:09:40,560
further down.

5128
04:09:40,560 --> 04:09:44,399
>> This is ma'am total. It's already

5129
04:09:44,399 --> 04:09:46,319
>> this is just represent about 500,000 of

5130
04:09:46,319 --> 04:09:47,439
that 750.

5131
04:09:47,439 --> 04:09:50,870
>> Yeah.

5132
04:09:50,880 --> 04:09:52,560
» And this section here really is critical

5133
04:09:52,560 --> 04:09:55,840
that it gets done. It's it is they got

5134
04:09:55,840 --> 04:09:57,760
intermediate repairs just asphalt on top

5135
04:09:57,760 --> 04:09:59,359
of stuff but it is so much pavement

5136
04:09:59,359 --> 04:10:02,720
movement. It is absolutely have to be

5137
04:10:02,720 --> 04:10:05,120
done.

5138
04:10:05,120 --> 04:10:08,000
>> So the the north north Glenn Wimberly

5139
04:10:08,000 --> 04:10:10,640
those those are under construction as we

5140
04:10:10,640 --> 04:10:12,080
speak. Those were authorized by the

5141
04:10:12,080 --> 04:10:14,640
council on the third

5142
04:10:14,640 --> 04:10:15,520
>> level one.

5143
04:10:15,520 --> 04:10:15,920
>> Yes.

5144
04:10:15,920 --> 04:10:16,720
>> Okay.

5145
04:10:16,720 --> 04:10:19,680
>> So I misspoke earlier. the Careway

5146
04:10:19,680 --> 04:10:22,720
entrance 500,000 is not in

5147
04:10:22,720 --> 04:10:26,319
>> but you added but I added $60,000 to

5148
04:10:26,319 --> 04:10:28,560
>> the [clears throat] 60 so there was 120

5149
04:10:28,560 --> 04:10:29,600
total 120

5150
04:10:29,600 --> 04:10:30,000
>> yes

5151
04:10:30,000 --> 04:10:33,120
>> okay and the and the 750 right now in

5152
04:10:33,120 --> 04:10:35,199
the budget we estimate this right here

5153
04:10:35,199 --> 04:10:37,439
to be 500 so there'll

5154
04:10:37,439 --> 04:10:38,000
>> be some

5155
04:10:38,000 --> 04:10:39,439
>> I think there's going to be some

5156
04:10:39,439 --> 04:10:41,120
leftover yes ma'am

5157
04:10:41,120 --> 04:10:43,439
>> so looking on page 277 just to make make

5158
04:10:43,439 --> 04:10:46,239
sure I'm on the same page I have 120,000

5159
04:10:46,239 --> 04:10:48,080
for the careway

5160
04:10:48,080 --> 04:10:51,680
entrance is adding the s 100,000 Hassup

5161
04:10:51,680 --> 04:10:56,640
Park 250,000 phase one striping plan

5162
04:10:56,640 --> 04:10:59,760
200 No well yeah I'll leave the $200,000

5163
04:10:59,760 --> 04:11:03,760
for the Bane and then 750 for Verona

5164
04:11:03,760 --> 04:11:05,760
Wimberly is that that correct

5165
04:11:05,760 --> 04:11:10,950
>> okay

5166
04:11:10,960 --> 04:11:12,960
» so I'll update my spreadsheet to say

5167
04:11:12,960 --> 04:11:16,000
Careway entrances and I'll reflect the

5168
04:11:16,000 --> 04:11:17,279
120

5169
04:11:17,279 --> 04:11:18,720
and then we'll come up with a cost

5170
04:11:18,720 --> 04:11:20,160
estimate once we figure out how we're

5171
04:11:20,160 --> 04:11:21,120
going to get the water out of there

5172
04:11:21,120 --> 04:11:23,600
because we just threw some numbers in to

5173
04:11:23,600 --> 04:11:25,120
get the discussion going.

5174
04:11:25,120 --> 04:11:27,120
>> So, really quick, can um Marcy, can you

5175
04:11:27,120 --> 04:11:29,840
also put SD6 on those in the back on

5176
04:11:29,840 --> 04:11:32,399
page 277 to align

5177
04:11:32,399 --> 04:11:33,680
>> through the rest of the document? And

5178
04:11:33,680 --> 04:11:42,790
then the 200,000 for Bane is staying.

5179
04:11:42,800 --> 04:11:46,640
» Okay. And where is that on your Bane?

5180
04:11:46,640 --> 04:11:49,279
It's not because it was a current,

5181
04:11:49,279 --> 04:11:50,880
>> but if we if it gets done this fiscal

5182
04:11:50,880 --> 04:11:52,479
year and that 200,000 will go back to

5183
04:11:52,479 --> 04:11:54,160
general fund.

5184
04:11:54,160 --> 04:11:56,000
>> It'll go back in the transportation tax.

5185
04:11:56,000 --> 04:12:02,469
>> Transportation. Oh, yes. 20. Okay.

5186
04:12:02,479 --> 04:12:04,640
» Okay. So, Bane's not in your schedule.

5187
04:12:04,640 --> 04:12:05,920
So, this doesn't have anything for the

5188
04:12:05,920 --> 04:12:07,439
current year. It's only if it's going to

5189
04:12:07,439 --> 04:12:09,359
next year.

5190
04:12:09,359 --> 04:12:15,269
Got it.

5191
04:12:15,279 --> 04:12:17,600
So SD6, the fund 20 roadway

5192
04:12:17,600 --> 04:12:20,000
improvements. Everyone's

5193
04:12:20,000 --> 04:12:21,279
good with that.

5194
04:12:21,279 --> 04:12:23,119
>> Okay.

5195
04:12:23,119 --> 04:12:26,389
[clears throat]

5196
04:12:26,399 --> 04:12:28,880
» SD7 Hasslet Park reinforced concrete

5197
04:12:28,880 --> 04:12:30,720
paving.

5198
04:12:30,720 --> 04:12:32,960
There was there I believe there's money

5199
04:12:32,960 --> 04:12:36,399
in this year's budget to carry over and

5200
04:12:36,399 --> 04:12:39,439
get into the design for Hassa Park

5201
04:12:39,439 --> 04:12:41,520
concrete streets.

5202
04:12:41,520 --> 04:12:42,640
Where is that in the

5203
04:12:42,640 --> 04:12:46,399
>> There's a 120 that was added.

5204
04:12:46,399 --> 04:12:49,680
>> Um 120 I don't rather than the 180

5205
04:12:49,680 --> 04:12:50,720
that's on your sheet

5206
04:12:50,720 --> 04:12:53,439
>> back on the general fund. I I think that

5207
04:12:53,439 --> 04:12:59,120
that's something that that was one of my um possible slideouts

5208
04:12:59,120 --> 04:13:04,000
or possible weights one year to focus on

5209
04:13:04,000 --> 04:13:06,720
the million the million of John Day

5210
04:13:06,720 --> 04:13:08,479
road. It's just a possibility we can

5211
04:13:08,479 --> 04:13:10,319
discuss as a council.

5212
04:13:10,319 --> 04:13:11,120
love too if he was

5213
04:13:11,120 --> 04:13:14,080
>> I know agree as a as a council person I

5214
04:13:14,080 --> 04:13:16,239
have to think of the entire city not

5215
04:13:16,239 --> 04:13:18,960
just my subdivision that I love and all

5216
04:13:18,960 --> 04:13:22,000
my neighbors but I mean I was elected by

5217
04:13:22,000 --> 04:13:24,239
>> a lot of people and everybody and I know

5218
04:13:24,239 --> 04:13:25,920
a lot of people and a lot of

5219
04:13:25,920 --> 04:13:27,920
subdivisions either I taught them or I'm

5220
04:13:27,920 --> 04:13:29,359
friends with them or so I'm not just

5221
04:13:29,359 --> 04:13:31,359
thinking of myself or my neighborhood

5222
04:13:31,359 --> 04:13:34,000
ever and I think this is one item we

5223
04:13:34,000 --> 04:13:37,120
could possibly move one year out

5224
04:13:37,120 --> 04:13:40,319
>> comments conversation We actually

5225
04:13:40,319 --> 04:13:42,000
on it

5226
04:13:42,000 --> 04:13:44,960
>> the 120 Houselet Park reinforced

5227
04:13:44,960 --> 04:13:46,720
concrete paving design

5228
04:13:46,720 --> 04:13:48,640
>> that's in our general fund.

5229
04:13:48,640 --> 04:13:50,720
>> Speaking from another resident in House

5230
04:13:50,720 --> 04:13:53,040
of Park, I I I would love to get it done

5231
04:13:53,040 --> 04:13:55,199
now, but I think that the band-aids that

5232
04:13:55,199 --> 04:13:56,080
we

5233
04:13:56,080 --> 04:13:57,439
>> the band-aids that we did with the

5234
04:13:57,439 --> 04:14:00,080
asphalt has helped tremendously.

5235
04:14:00,080 --> 04:14:01,439
>> Um I don't feel like I'm going to pop my

5236
04:14:01,439 --> 04:14:04,720
tire every time I go down Barry. Um,

5237
04:14:04,720 --> 04:14:05,920
>> I mean, I would love to get it done

5238
04:14:05,920 --> 04:14:08,640
because it's there's another spot on

5239
04:14:08,640 --> 04:14:10,080
Odessa when I was walking the other

5240
04:14:10,080 --> 04:14:13,199
morning that's pretty falling apart, but

5241
04:14:13,199 --> 04:14:15,439
I think the band-aid we did could last

5242
04:14:15,439 --> 04:14:17,359
us another year. But I don't

5243
04:14:17,359 --> 04:14:18,880
>> I know that there's residents in our

5244
04:14:18,880 --> 04:14:20,880
neighborhood that keep asking me, and I

5245
04:14:20,880 --> 04:14:22,159
don't know about Tanya and Doug, when

5246
04:14:22,159 --> 04:14:24,479
are we going to get this done? But I

5247
04:14:24,479 --> 04:14:26,000
think if we can if we want to put that

5248
04:14:26,000 --> 04:14:27,600
off another year, I think that will be

5249
04:14:27,600 --> 04:14:28,800
okay because there are some other

5250
04:14:28,800 --> 04:14:30,880
projects we need to get going. But the

5251
04:14:30,880 --> 04:14:32,239
band-aid, if we didn't do the band-aid

5252
04:14:32,239 --> 04:14:35,199
or the asphalt, I would I would push

5253
04:14:35,199 --> 04:14:36,640
Tanya away right now.

5254
04:14:36,640 --> 04:14:37,840
>> You still want to push her away. It's

5255
04:14:37,840 --> 04:14:38,640
okay.

5256
04:14:38,640 --> 04:14:40,239
>> I I think that's I think that'll be okay

5257
04:14:40,239 --> 04:14:42,080
because the the asphalt that we did

5258
04:14:42,080 --> 04:14:43,279
helped tremendously. So, I really

5259
04:14:43,279 --> 04:14:44,479
appreciate

5260
04:14:44,479 --> 04:14:47,600
>> um our engineering team and and city

5261
04:14:47,600 --> 04:14:48,960
getting that public works getting that

5262
04:14:48,960 --> 04:14:49,840
done.

5263
04:14:49,840 --> 04:14:51,840
>> Can we also just ask really quick, Mike,

5264
04:14:51,840 --> 04:14:53,520
James, where do you guys think Hasllet

5265
04:14:53,520 --> 04:14:55,600
Parkway is on the needs? Do you think

5266
04:14:55,600 --> 04:14:57,920
it's a one-year out, two-year out? Do we

5267
04:14:57,920 --> 04:14:59,520
need more money this year to potentially

5268
04:14:59,520 --> 04:15:01,520
patch? He's talking about another spot.

5269
04:15:01,520 --> 04:15:03,920
I'd just like to hear from you guys.

5270
04:15:03,920 --> 04:15:06,319
>> So, on the one one of the challenges

5271
04:15:06,319 --> 04:15:08,960
with that one is because that material

5272
04:15:08,960 --> 04:15:10,800
is unpredictable. It is hard to say for

5273
04:15:10,800 --> 04:15:13,680
sure over the next year. Will we have

5274
04:15:13,680 --> 04:15:16,960
something considerable happen? It is

5275
04:15:16,960 --> 04:15:18,880
more likely we'll need to do something.

5276
04:15:18,880 --> 04:15:20,560
I think we could probably address it

5277
04:15:20,560 --> 04:15:23,439
with the regular uh street maintenance

5278
04:15:23,439 --> 04:15:25,199
repair budget. So, if we have something

5279
04:15:25,199 --> 04:15:26,960
that pops up, I think we can get a year

5280
04:15:26,960 --> 04:15:30,159
out. But we have the least amount of

5281
04:15:30,159 --> 04:15:32,399
experience and ability to predict what

5282
04:15:32,399 --> 04:15:34,720
those streets are going to do because

5283
04:15:34,720 --> 04:15:36,720
they rapidly got to the point they were

5284
04:15:36,720 --> 04:15:38,159
with the patches we did this year that

5285
04:15:38,159 --> 04:15:40,800
was unexpected. So, we know we have to

5286
04:15:40,800 --> 04:15:43,040
repave those roads. So, I think you're

5287
04:15:43,040 --> 04:15:45,120
safe to gamble another year, but not too

5288
04:15:45,120 --> 04:15:47,359
much further after that. Or you need to

5289
04:15:47,359 --> 04:15:49,359
put in money. If we're going to go too

5290
04:15:49,359 --> 04:15:50,800
much further past a year, put in money

5291
04:15:50,800 --> 04:15:52,880
for more intermediate, you know, asphalt

5292
04:15:52,880 --> 04:15:54,399
repairs.

5293
04:15:54,399 --> 04:15:56,399
Thank you, James. Mike, any addition?

5294
04:15:56,399 --> 04:15:58,640
>> I concur with James. That's I've never

5295
04:15:58,640 --> 04:16:00,960
dealt with roads that don't have

5296
04:16:00,960 --> 04:16:02,880
reinforcement in them. So, it's pretty

5297
04:16:02,880 --> 04:16:03,520
tough for us.

5298
04:16:03,520 --> 04:16:04,880
>> They're not reinforced at all.

5299
04:16:04,880 --> 04:16:08,960
>> No, there's no reason.

5300
04:16:08,960 --> 04:16:12,080
>> That's why they the the first third of

5301
04:16:12,080 --> 04:16:14,000
our street doesn't have rebar. They just

5302
04:16:14,000 --> 04:16:16,960
rolled it. The second two/3s um has

5303
04:16:16,960 --> 04:16:18,319
rebar and that's reason why it's really

5304
04:16:18,319 --> 04:16:20,080
strong and nice. the first third on each

5305
04:16:20,080 --> 04:16:21,520
street. That's the reason why it's

5306
04:16:21,520 --> 04:16:22,880
crumbling and falling apart because it

5307
04:16:22,880 --> 04:16:24,080
was never done right. And so that's the

5308
04:16:24,080 --> 04:16:25,600
reason why we're having to go back and

5309
04:16:25,600 --> 04:16:28,319
fix it. That's the whole reason. Two and

5310
04:16:28,319 --> 04:16:30,800
three. This other two/3s are perfect. I

5311
04:16:30,800 --> 04:16:32,239
mean, they'll last a long long long

5312
04:16:32,239 --> 04:16:32,880
time.

5313
04:16:32,880 --> 04:16:36,159
>> How much do you have in for asset part

5314
04:16:36,159 --> 04:16:40,239
repairs, asphalt repair?

5315
04:16:40,239 --> 04:16:41,040
>> How much is in?

5316
04:16:41,040 --> 04:16:43,199
>> We got 100,000

5317
04:16:43,199 --> 04:16:45,199
in fund 20. Mhm.

5318
04:16:45,199 --> 04:16:47,920
>> You might take that at least to 150 if

5319
04:16:47,920 --> 04:16:51,120
not double it because what happened with

5320
04:16:51,120 --> 04:16:55,520
Barry it started what year two years ago

5321
04:16:55,520 --> 04:16:58,960
there's cracks and it always had cracks

5322
04:16:58,960 --> 04:17:02,000
and then exponentially

5323
04:17:02,000 --> 04:17:04,880
it just started failing to everybody's

5324
04:17:04,880 --> 04:17:07,359
surprise every week it was and chunks

5325
04:17:07,359 --> 04:17:10,319
are falling off. So this is very

5326
04:17:10,319 --> 04:17:11,840
unpredictable.

5327
04:17:11,840 --> 04:17:14,960
I would double that repair budget. Yes.

5328
04:17:14,960 --> 04:17:19,439
Put the two million whatever it is off

5329
04:17:19,439 --> 04:17:21,760
for concrete

5330
04:17:21,760 --> 04:17:24,239
permanent replacement, but double that

5331
04:17:24,239 --> 04:17:27,840
repair budget. So that's because it it

5332
04:17:27,840 --> 04:17:31,279
can get bad very fast from one week to

5333
04:17:31,279 --> 04:17:33,920
the next. We noted it grew

5334
04:17:33,920 --> 04:17:37,279
substantially. The failure did. Mhm.

5335
04:17:37,279 --> 04:17:39,359
James, could you uh could y'all maybe

5336
04:17:39,359 --> 04:17:42,000
Mike look at the There's another section

5337
04:17:42,000 --> 04:17:45,120
um east of the new spot y'all did on

5338
04:17:45,120 --> 04:17:47,279
Odessa going towards 156. There's a

5339
04:17:47,279 --> 04:17:48,479
section that's just

5340
04:17:48,479 --> 04:17:49,680
>> falling apart. If you don't look into

5341
04:17:49,680 --> 04:17:52,319
that, maybe maybe asphalt in that like

5342
04:17:52,319 --> 04:17:53,359
you did the other spots.

5343
04:17:53,359 --> 04:17:54,720
>> We'll look at that. And there's also a

5344
04:17:54,720 --> 04:17:56,560
section on the front half of Adessa, I

5345
04:17:56,560 --> 04:17:58,960
think, that's starting to show large

5346
04:17:58,960 --> 04:18:00,800
separation just kind of closer to the

5347
04:18:00,800 --> 04:18:02,720
gas station area. There's several

5348
04:18:02,720 --> 04:18:04,399
sections we watching, but it is like

5349
04:18:04,399 --> 04:18:06,479
there's cracks that were there in in the

5350
04:18:06,479 --> 04:18:08,239
early days that haven't moved at all and

5351
04:18:08,239 --> 04:18:09,840
then other sections that just all of a

5352
04:18:09,840 --> 04:18:11,760
sudden you see that rapid deterioration.

5353
04:18:11,760 --> 04:18:14,399
So, we'll look at that one specifically.

5354
04:18:14,399 --> 04:18:16,479
>> So, Mayor Hoy, you're you're saying in

5355
04:18:16,479 --> 04:18:21,359
fund 20 instead of the $100,000

5356
04:18:21,359 --> 04:18:23,920
um change that to 150 200.

5357
04:18:23,920 --> 04:18:25,520
>> I would propose 200.

5358
04:18:25,520 --> 04:18:26,239
>> Where is that?

5359
04:18:26,239 --> 04:18:28,479
>> On page 277

5360
04:18:28,479 --> 04:18:31,120
in fund 20.

5361
04:18:31,120 --> 04:18:33,680
Is that how does that

5362
04:18:33,680 --> 04:18:34,319
>> that's okay?

5363
04:18:34,319 --> 04:18:35,279
>> I don't think there's anything wrong

5364
04:18:35,279 --> 04:18:37,760
with that. Yeah, I think and to that

5365
04:18:37,760 --> 04:18:39,439
point, mayor, that's a good point. And

5366
04:18:39,439 --> 04:18:40,960
it's and this is some of the stuff we

5367
04:18:40,960 --> 04:18:42,960
were chasing. The exhibit you see up

5368
04:18:42,960 --> 04:18:45,359
behind you is, if you recall, we bid

5369
04:18:45,359 --> 04:18:47,279
some areas and then by the time we got

5370
04:18:47,279 --> 04:18:49,439
to construction and you really started

5371
04:18:49,439 --> 04:18:51,760
chasing it, what you see in red cost

5372
04:18:51,760 --> 04:18:53,600
$100,000.

5373
04:18:53,600 --> 04:18:56,159
So, and we had really good pricing on

5374
04:18:56,159 --> 04:18:59,439
this. So I think 200 would be it would

5375
04:18:59,439 --> 04:19:01,680
cover any of the immediate needs for

5376
04:19:01,680 --> 04:19:04,159
this next year. 100 may be cutting it

5377
04:19:04,159 --> 04:19:06,640
close but um I would feel good with the

5378
04:19:06,640 --> 04:19:08,479
200

5379
04:19:08,479 --> 04:19:10,239
>> comes out of fun 20 doesn't come out of

5380
04:19:10,239 --> 04:19:11,040
the general fund.

5381
04:19:11,040 --> 04:19:13,199
>> Yes. And that's what fund 20's

5382
04:19:13,199 --> 04:19:15,520
>> that's what it's for. That's it.

5383
04:19:15,520 --> 04:19:17,600
>> And just a general comment on the all

5384
04:19:17,600 --> 04:19:19,840
those fund 20 projects we did this year.

5385
04:19:19,840 --> 04:19:21,920
I mean it eliminated I would say like

5386
04:19:21,920 --> 04:19:24,640
90% of the complaints we had coming in.

5387
04:19:24,640 --> 04:19:26,399
We were getting I mean just

5388
04:19:26,399 --> 04:19:27,199
>> huge.

5389
04:19:27,199 --> 04:19:28,159
>> Oh yeah, it was huge

5390
04:19:28,159 --> 04:19:30,800
>> for road related you know problems. It

5391
04:19:30,800 --> 04:19:32,640
was almost instantaneous especially the

5392
04:19:32,640 --> 04:19:34,640
ones on Westport. It was really great to

5393
04:19:34,640 --> 04:19:36,399
go through there and just kind of patch

5394
04:19:36,399 --> 04:19:38,319
and address all those little problem

5395
04:19:38,319 --> 04:19:40,479
areas and it really has helped. Like

5396
04:19:40,479 --> 04:19:41,840
that was I would say one of the best

5397
04:19:41,840 --> 04:19:43,920
projects we did this year that really

5398
04:19:43,920 --> 04:19:47,040
seemed to make the general public happy

5399
04:19:47,040 --> 04:19:50,000
with roads through town.

5400
04:19:50,000 --> 04:19:53,120
>> So Ton, sorry go ahead. So Tanya, you

5401
04:19:53,120 --> 04:19:54,319
were saying take that two and a half

5402
04:19:54,319 --> 04:19:56,720
million and didn't take it that

5403
04:19:56,720 --> 04:19:57,279
somewhere else.

5404
04:19:57,279 --> 04:19:58,479
>> No, I never said two and a half million.

5405
04:19:58,479 --> 04:20:00,319
It's it's budgeted in our general budget

5406
04:20:00,319 --> 04:20:02,239
is 120,000.

5407
04:20:02,239 --> 04:20:04,880
>> I'm saying take take that out. Maybe

5408
04:20:04,880 --> 04:20:09,760
wait a year, but add 100,000 to fund 20.

5409
04:20:09,760 --> 04:20:10,479
>> Okay.

5410
04:20:10,479 --> 04:20:11,840
>> The 120

5411
04:20:11,840 --> 04:20:13,600
>> 120 or it says streets and drainage.

5412
04:20:13,600 --> 04:20:16,159
It's it's above the yellow.

5413
04:20:16,159 --> 04:20:20,399
>> Um it's above the 165 and 1.425. Do you

5414
04:20:20,399 --> 04:20:20,880
see it?

5415
04:20:20,880 --> 04:20:23,199
>> No. Can you show

5416
04:20:23,199 --> 04:20:25,840
So in 2728 that 2 and a half million for

5417
04:20:25,840 --> 04:20:27,680
Hassa Park for concrete's just going to

5418
04:20:27,680 --> 04:20:28,960
go away. So that

5419
04:20:28,960 --> 04:20:32,800
>> sliding sliding. Okay.

5420
04:20:32,800 --> 04:20:35,279
>> Double your double your maintenance

5421
04:20:35,279 --> 04:20:37,680
dollars and let's slide the design and

5422
04:20:37,680 --> 04:20:39,840
full reconstruction out a year.

5423
04:20:39,840 --> 04:20:40,319
>> Okay.

5424
04:20:40,319 --> 04:20:42,080
I actually have a question.

5425
04:20:42,080 --> 04:20:45,199
>> Sure. that um

5426
04:20:45,199 --> 04:20:47,199
this sounds like it's more of a concern

5427
04:20:47,199 --> 04:20:49,120
than the Careway and I live in Careoway

5428
04:20:49,120 --> 04:20:52,319
so I hate saying this but if you had to

5429
04:20:52,319 --> 04:20:54,560
prioritize the Careway drainage we just

5430
04:20:54,560 --> 04:20:56,399
put

5431
04:20:56,399 --> 04:20:58,800
20,000 towards Careway next year but

5432
04:20:58,800 --> 04:21:01,120
this does sound more like a priority

5433
04:21:01,120 --> 04:21:04,880
this road should we re

5434
04:21:04,880 --> 04:21:06,479
>> you what

5435
04:21:06,479 --> 04:21:11,359
>> the HLlet Parkway was not a it's it's been fixed it's been I mean the

5436
04:21:11,359 --> 04:21:14,319
it's and

5437
04:21:14,319 --> 04:21:15,120
>> patched.

5438
04:21:15,120 --> 04:21:17,120
>> I understand, but I'm asking because it

5439
04:21:17,120 --> 04:21:18,239
sounds like it's not a long-term

5440
04:21:18,239 --> 04:21:19,359
solution. They're saying we can maybe

5441
04:21:19,359 --> 04:21:21,199
push this off one year, but earlier they

5442
04:21:21,199 --> 04:21:23,199
were saying Careway's drainage issue

5443
04:21:23,199 --> 04:21:25,520
doesn't impact the road at all. So, do

5444
04:21:25,520 --> 04:21:27,600
we have these priorities kind of mixed?

5445
04:21:27,600 --> 04:21:29,040
Because if it's just a nuisance for

5446
04:21:29,040 --> 04:21:31,199
Caraway, but theirs is an actual safety

5447
04:21:31,199 --> 04:21:33,040
concern. Do you get what I'm asking,

5448
04:21:33,040 --> 04:21:35,040
Mike?

5449
04:21:35,040 --> 04:21:38,560
>> I I get what you're asking. I think um I

5450
04:21:38,560 --> 04:21:41,520
think the the interim fixes that we're

5451
04:21:41,520 --> 04:21:43,600
recommending that you fund will probably

5452
04:21:43,600 --> 04:21:46,239
take I think what we ran into in Hassa

5453
04:21:46,239 --> 04:21:48,560
Park was you know kind of started as

5454
04:21:48,560 --> 04:21:50,159
aesthetics. Hey, why doesn't my street

5455
04:21:50,159 --> 04:21:52,159
look like this street? But by the time

5456
04:21:52,159 --> 04:21:53,680
we got out there last year, I mean there

5457
04:21:53,680 --> 04:21:55,760
were on Odessa there was you could stick

5458
04:21:55,760 --> 04:21:57,680
your foot down in some of those cracks.

5459
04:21:57,680 --> 04:22:00,080
So we've we've tried to deal with those

5460
04:22:00,080 --> 04:22:01,680
as they've come up from a safety

5461
04:22:01,680 --> 04:22:03,840
perspective. If you had to ask me right

5462
04:22:03,840 --> 04:22:05,840
now, I would say yes. There's there's

5463
04:22:05,840 --> 04:22:08,000
going to be more safety issues with

5464
04:22:08,000 --> 04:22:10,960
those roads than there would be

5465
04:22:10,960 --> 04:22:13,279
>> drainage out there on the careway

5466
04:22:13,279 --> 04:22:14,080
entrance. Right.

5467
04:22:14,080 --> 04:22:16,479
>> So would you recommend we wait on the

5468
04:22:16,479 --> 04:22:18,319
careway drainage a year like we would

5469
04:22:18,319 --> 04:22:20,800
with this and instead take that 120 and

5470
04:22:20,800 --> 04:22:22,239
put it towards the design. It almost

5471
04:22:22,239 --> 04:22:24,479
matches directly for the design of Hlet

5472
04:22:24,479 --> 04:22:26,239
Park. If it's a safety concern, if it's

5473
04:22:26,239 --> 04:22:27,680
going to continue to deteriorate and

5474
04:22:27,680 --> 04:22:29,600
cost the city money, it just

5475
04:22:29,600 --> 04:22:30,800
>> Yeah, I think that's one way you could

5476
04:22:30,800 --> 04:22:33,040
look at it. It's it's real, you know,

5477
04:22:33,040 --> 04:22:35,920
water and sewer are real easy for us to

5478
04:22:35,920 --> 04:22:37,840
say you better do this or your manholes

5479
04:22:37,840 --> 04:22:38,880
are going to pop up. You're going to do

5480
04:22:38,880 --> 04:22:40,640
this or you run out of water. Roads are

5481
04:22:40,640 --> 04:22:42,399
a little more kind of at your

5482
04:22:42,399 --> 04:22:45,359
discretion. And but yeah, I think the

5483
04:22:45,359 --> 04:22:48,479
from what I can see the this these

5484
04:22:48,479 --> 04:22:50,560
streets pose more of a safety issue to

5485
04:22:50,560 --> 04:22:52,960
the traveling public than the than the

5486
04:22:52,960 --> 04:22:54,560
drainage issue at the entrance over

5487
04:22:54,560 --> 04:22:55,279
there.

5488
04:22:55,279 --> 04:22:57,520
>> I'm going to make a suggestion. Uh

5489
04:22:57,520 --> 04:22:59,600
>> yes, and [clears throat] that's

5490
04:22:59,600 --> 04:23:02,399
>> involves Careway and Hasset Park and any

5491
04:23:02,399 --> 04:23:06,399
of these other projects. I'm going to

5492
04:23:06,399 --> 04:23:08,319
go ahead and keep your project Careway

5493
04:23:08,319 --> 04:23:11,520
there. Marcy is entering this stuff in

5494
04:23:11,520 --> 04:23:14,080
her program and at the end of this

5495
04:23:14,080 --> 04:23:16,080
discussion, she's going to here's your

5496
04:23:16,080 --> 04:23:18,159
bottom line effect. Then you can go

5497
04:23:18,159 --> 04:23:21,120
back. Oh, let's cut that one. Let's cut

5498
04:23:21,120 --> 04:23:22,560
that one.

5499
04:23:22,560 --> 04:23:24,640
>> I understand. But it's also a mix of

5500
04:23:24,640 --> 04:23:27,279
what can our city employees and staff

5501
04:23:27,279 --> 04:23:29,920
handle? Um I mean that you can only

5502
04:23:29,920 --> 04:23:31,600
achieve so much in a year. So even if we

5503
04:23:31,600 --> 04:23:34,000
have the money for it, you know, do they

5504
04:23:34,000 --> 04:23:36,080
have the time for it as well?

5505
04:23:36,080 --> 04:23:38,159
>> I mean I'm fine either way. I just was

5506
04:23:38,159 --> 04:23:39,520
saying just I was listening to what they

5507
04:23:39,520 --> 04:23:40,399
said about Careway.

5508
04:23:40,399 --> 04:23:41,840
>> If if everybody up there thinks that it

5509
04:23:41,840 --> 04:23:43,920
should be flipped, then I'll go with the

5510
04:23:43,920 --> 04:23:45,359
ex with the professionals.

5511
04:23:45,359 --> 04:23:48,560
>> Does that not get you

5512
04:23:48,560 --> 04:23:50,800
>> I I kind of want to side with the mayor

5513
04:23:50,800 --> 04:23:53,279
on this one. I mean, put it as a wish

5514
04:23:53,279 --> 04:23:54,479
list, kind of sort in the budget, and

5515
04:23:54,479 --> 04:23:55,600
then if we find out that we don't have

5516
04:23:55,600 --> 04:23:57,279
the money for it, you can just mark one

5517
04:23:57,279 --> 04:23:58,800
out if you need to.

5518
04:23:58,800 --> 04:24:00,960
>> Okay. Is that what we want to do?

5519
04:24:00,960 --> 04:24:02,159
>> Can I ask [clears throat] a dumb

5520
04:24:02,159 --> 04:24:02,800
question?

5521
04:24:02,800 --> 04:24:03,359
>> Yes.

5522
04:24:03,359 --> 04:24:05,359
>> Since we're on Hazard Park,

5523
04:24:05,359 --> 04:24:06,880
>> is there any way we can put a side

5524
04:24:06,880 --> 04:24:09,520
entrance to Dollar General from that

5525
04:24:09,520 --> 04:24:10,720
whatever that road is that goes next to

5526
04:24:10,720 --> 04:24:13,359
it?

5527
04:24:13,359 --> 04:24:15,040
>> Yes, I know. People are people are

5528
04:24:15,040 --> 04:24:17,279
driving on the dirt between 156 and the

5529
04:24:17,279 --> 04:24:19,760
parking lot to get to Dollar General.

5530
04:24:19,760 --> 04:24:21,199
And I think that's a safety concern

5531
04:24:21,199 --> 04:24:23,439
because you have people going on the

5532
04:24:23,439 --> 04:24:25,600
dirt and on the road all different

5533
04:24:25,600 --> 04:24:26,159
directions.

5534
04:24:26,159 --> 04:24:27,279
>> Like they're going to shop or they're

5535
04:24:27,279 --> 04:24:28,159
doing a cut through.

5536
04:24:28,159 --> 04:24:29,279
>> No, they're going there to shop, but

5537
04:24:29,279 --> 04:24:30,960
they're not even turning on to 156.

5538
04:24:30,960 --> 04:24:32,080
They're just turning on the dirt in

5539
04:24:32,080 --> 04:24:32,880
front of it.

5540
04:24:32,880 --> 04:24:35,120
>> So if you're on Barry and you're you

5541
04:24:35,120 --> 04:24:37,520
don't want to wait to go to left, take a

5542
04:24:37,520 --> 04:24:39,120
left to get on 156 and then take a left

5543
04:24:39,120 --> 04:24:40,960
to go to Dollar General. You just take a

5544
04:24:40,960 --> 04:24:42,720
left on the dirt road and then

5545
04:24:42,720 --> 04:24:45,279
>> it's not a road. [laughter]

5546
04:24:45,279 --> 04:24:49,600
>> It's the text rideway unpaved. It's the

5547
04:24:49,600 --> 04:24:50,479
grass.

5548
04:24:50,479 --> 04:24:52,800
>> It's It's a dirt road that was made and

5549
04:24:52,800 --> 04:24:54,080
you just take a lead there and you go

5550
04:24:54,080 --> 04:24:55,279
into Dollar General Park.

5551
04:24:55,279 --> 04:24:56,399
>> All I'm going to say is on the priority

5552
04:24:56,399 --> 04:24:57,279
list. It sounds like

5553
04:24:57,279 --> 04:24:58,880
>> I understand. But if we're rebuilding

5554
04:24:58,880 --> 04:25:00,399
the road, can we make a connection?

5555
04:25:00,399 --> 04:25:01,920
That's all I'm asking.

5556
04:25:01,920 --> 04:25:03,279
>> Well, you know what? I think you're

5557
04:25:03,279 --> 04:25:06,319
taking away from the culture of Hasslet.

5558
04:25:06,319 --> 04:25:06,640
>> Sorry.

5559
04:25:06,640 --> 04:25:09,279
>> This is small town Texas. Come on.

5560
04:25:09,279 --> 04:25:11,520
>> Except we don't have small town traffic.

5561
04:25:11,520 --> 04:25:13,680
>> I don't know what the solution is to

5562
04:25:13,680 --> 04:25:16,319
eliminate that. We probably can't

5563
04:25:16,319 --> 04:25:19,279
construct it with on the city's right of

5564
04:25:19,279 --> 04:25:21,268
way to eliminate that that

5565
04:25:21,268 --> 04:25:21,840
[clears throat]

5566
04:25:21,840 --> 04:25:24,479
uh turn in front of Dollar General and

5567
04:25:24,479 --> 04:25:27,359
it would have to probably come from Tex

5568
04:25:27,359 --> 04:25:29,520
Dot's permission.

5569
04:25:29,520 --> 04:25:31,359
If they can get the permission to

5570
04:25:31,359 --> 04:25:33,760
construct something such as a guard rail

5571
04:25:33,760 --> 04:25:37,760
up there, then uh and Hassa volunteers

5572
04:25:37,760 --> 04:25:40,399
to pay for it, they might go, "Sure,

5573
04:25:40,399 --> 04:25:44,319
knock yourself out." But a solution as

5574
04:25:44,319 --> 04:25:47,920
to how to stop that lefthand turn has to

5575
04:25:47,920 --> 04:25:51,120
be come up with. And it doesn't may not

5576
04:25:51,120 --> 04:25:55,199
be straightforward how to do that.

5577
04:25:55,199 --> 04:25:58,399
>> Can you uh come up with a solution?

5578
04:25:58,399 --> 04:26:00,880
>> Shut down your method.

5579
04:26:00,880 --> 04:26:02,159
>> Oh, we we

5580
04:26:02,159 --> 04:26:04,560
>> it might sh shut down economic

5581
04:26:04,560 --> 04:26:06,479
development, too. [laughter]

5582
04:26:06,479 --> 04:26:08,080
>> Yeah, if that's something we need to

5583
04:26:08,080 --> 04:26:09,760
look into, we could do a little exhibit

5584
04:26:09,760 --> 04:26:11,600
and just see if there's any solution. I

5585
04:26:11,600 --> 04:26:13,359
mean, it wouldn't be that's something

5586
04:26:13,359 --> 04:26:15,680
that's that's no big deal. Now, I say

5587
04:26:15,680 --> 04:26:17,680
that it's no big deal to come up with a

5588
04:26:17,680 --> 04:26:19,520
concept, implementing it, and getting

5589
04:26:19,520 --> 04:26:21,439
it. That's a whole another ball of wax,

5590
04:26:21,439 --> 04:26:25,279
but we we can look into that.

5591
04:26:25,279 --> 04:26:26,880
>> Then you don't have to worry about it.

5592
04:26:26,880 --> 04:26:28,159
>> I feel like there was some issue that

5593
04:26:28,159 --> 04:26:29,680
with Dollar General that that didn't

5594
04:26:29,680 --> 04:26:32,960
happen. I don't know. Yeah, I don't. It

5595
04:26:32,960 --> 04:26:37,279
is. It would be convenient, but it's not

5596
04:26:37,279 --> 04:26:41,349
>> a need.

5597
04:26:41,359 --> 04:26:43,600
So, just so I understand, SD7 is going

5598
04:26:43,600 --> 04:26:47,199
on page 277 under the fun 20.

5599
04:26:47,199 --> 04:26:52,070
>> Are we Is that where we're putting it?

5600
04:26:52,080 --> 04:26:54,560
» S7.

5601
04:26:54,560 --> 04:26:57,040
>> That is 100,000 and

5602
04:26:57,040 --> 04:26:58,960
>> transportation tax is now going to

5603
04:26:58,960 --> 04:27:01,680
200,000 or it's Yes.

5604
04:27:01,680 --> 04:27:03,920
>> Let's see.

5605
04:27:03,920 --> 04:27:05,520
Yeah, that's going to

5606
04:27:05,520 --> 04:27:09,359
>> park is going from 100,000 to 200,000.

5607
04:27:09,359 --> 04:27:10,640
>> Correct. And then where are we putting

5608
04:27:10,640 --> 04:27:13,359
the project

5609
04:27:13,359 --> 04:27:14,800
>> because they said they want to put it in

5610
04:27:14,800 --> 04:27:16,159
now and take it out later when

5611
04:27:16,159 --> 04:27:17,439
>> So it's already in our general budget

5612
04:27:17,439 --> 04:27:18,800
where it says House Park reinforced

5613
04:27:18,800 --> 04:27:20,800
concrete paving design 120.

5614
04:27:20,800 --> 04:27:21,920
>> Oh, it's just different amount because

5615
04:27:21,920 --> 04:27:23,439
they have it listed as 180 here.

5616
04:27:23,439 --> 04:27:25,040
>> It's 120. Yeah. Here

5617
04:27:25,040 --> 04:27:27,920
>> that's it's 120 in the budget and so

5618
04:27:27,920 --> 04:27:29,600
>> but it's 180 in in yours

5619
04:27:29,600 --> 04:27:30,800
>> in Mike. That's where I was confused.

5620
04:27:30,800 --> 04:27:33,359
Sorry. So, am I leaving it in at 120? Am

5621
04:27:33,359 --> 04:27:35,920
I taking it out at 120 or am I putting

5622
04:27:35,920 --> 04:27:37,359
it in at 180?

5623
04:27:37,359 --> 04:27:38,399
>> No, that's a different one.

5624
04:27:38,399 --> 04:27:40,800
>> No. So, that's that's to repair the road

5625
04:27:40,800 --> 04:27:42,399
over the next year. The question, you

5626
04:27:42,399 --> 04:27:45,359
said you wanted to keep SD7 reinforced

5627
04:27:45,359 --> 04:27:48,000
concrete paving. On the line item, it's

5628
04:27:48,000 --> 04:27:50,239
listed as 120, but Mike has it as 180.

5629
04:27:50,239 --> 04:27:53,199
So, are we keeping it at 120 or 180?

5630
04:27:53,199 --> 04:27:56,000
>> Mike, 160. What the difference?

5631
04:27:56,000 --> 04:27:56,720
>> Might as well go.

5632
04:27:56,720 --> 04:27:58,399
>> Well, excuse me. I thought we're sliding

5633
04:27:58,399 --> 04:28:00,640
that whole project a year. But then you

5634
04:28:00,640 --> 04:28:02,159
suggested we kept it in. Keep it in.

5635
04:28:02,159 --> 04:28:03,920
>> No, not not that piece. I'm talking

5636
04:28:03,920 --> 04:28:06,319
about under fund 20 under repair.

5637
04:28:06,319 --> 04:28:06,800
>> We did.

5638
04:28:06,800 --> 04:28:09,120
>> You said keep it in and then see on

5639
04:28:09,120 --> 04:28:10,960
Careway and on this project.

5640
04:28:10,960 --> 04:28:12,239
>> You did.

5641
04:28:12,239 --> 04:28:12,560
>> But

5642
04:28:12,560 --> 04:28:15,359
>> well fund 20 is not going to be in the

5643
04:28:15,359 --> 04:28:16,159
general fund,

5644
04:28:16,159 --> 04:28:16,560
>> right?

5645
04:28:16,560 --> 04:28:18,319
>> No. Understood. But for the project he

5646
04:28:18,319 --> 04:28:19,840
said to keep it all until the end and

5647
04:28:19,840 --> 04:28:21,359
then X out stuff we can't afford.

5648
04:28:21,359 --> 04:28:23,600
>> The That would be the carway we were

5649
04:28:23,600 --> 04:28:24,800
talking about. You're talking about

5650
04:28:24,800 --> 04:28:26,560
trading carway for what?

5651
04:28:26,560 --> 04:28:29,680
>> Hasllet Park reinforced concrete. Oh,

5652
04:28:29,680 --> 04:28:31,920
trading those. Well, I then I

5653
04:28:31,920 --> 04:28:35,520
misunderstood is I I I'm working on the

5654
04:28:35,520 --> 04:28:37,680
premise that you're moving Hasslet Park

5655
04:28:37,680 --> 04:28:40,479
reinforced concrete a year out. So,

5656
04:28:40,479 --> 04:28:41,439
that's the design.

5657
04:28:41,439 --> 04:28:42,880
>> That was the original discussion and

5658
04:28:42,880 --> 04:28:44,960
then it's gone about about five

5659
04:28:44,960 --> 04:28:46,960
different directions. One one comment

5660
04:28:46,960 --> 04:28:48,960
was that it might be more of a priority

5661
04:28:48,960 --> 04:28:51,199
than Careway. So, we were going to not

5662
04:28:51,199 --> 04:28:53,279
take it out and maybe take out Careway.

5663
04:28:53,279 --> 04:28:55,199
But he but Careway is in fund 20. So,

5664
04:28:55,199 --> 04:28:56,800
why would we take that out?

5665
04:28:56,800 --> 04:28:58,800
>> Is kind of your point. Yeah, that's my

5666
04:28:58,800 --> 04:28:59,199
point.

5667
04:28:59,199 --> 04:29:02,399
>> Right. And so we'll just leave Hassel

5668
04:29:02,399 --> 04:29:04,399
Park reinforce reinforced concrete

5669
04:29:04,399 --> 04:29:06,560
paving design in is what I hear Chris

5670
04:29:06,560 --> 04:29:08,239
and Jasmine saying. Even though

5671
04:29:08,239 --> 04:29:09,840
>> I moved it to 200.

5672
04:29:09,840 --> 04:29:10,880
>> No, that's that's something different.

5673
04:29:10,880 --> 04:29:12,239
That's 120. We're talking we're talking

5674
04:29:12,239 --> 04:29:14,000
about the general fund now. Go back to

5675
04:29:14,000 --> 04:29:15,439
this yellow.

5676
04:29:15,439 --> 04:29:17,680
>> Not okay. Oh, you're saying taking it

5677
04:29:17,680 --> 04:29:19,680
from 120 to 180? Yes.

5678
04:29:19,680 --> 04:29:20,880
>> Which is what it's what's what is

5679
04:29:20,880 --> 04:29:21,760
originally in there.

5680
04:29:21,760 --> 04:29:22,159
>> Yes,

5681
04:29:22,159 --> 04:29:24,239
>> Mike. Yes. 180 is what it needs to be.

5682
04:29:24,239 --> 04:29:26,399
>> Yes. So the general fund

5683
04:29:26,399 --> 04:29:27,840
>> whether you want to slide it a year or

5684
04:29:27,840 --> 04:29:28,560
do it

5685
04:29:28,560 --> 04:29:31,199
>> I want to slide it a year but and and

5686
04:29:31,199 --> 04:29:32,560
Zach's on board with that too but then

5687
04:29:32,560 --> 04:29:33,600
the two people that don't live in house

5688
04:29:33,600 --> 04:29:35,520
park want to keep it in here. So

5689
04:29:35,520 --> 04:29:37,199
>> honestly I'm neither here nor there that

5690
04:29:37,199 --> 04:29:38,560
it just sounded like they had some

5691
04:29:38,560 --> 04:29:39,680
serious concerns.

5692
04:29:39,680 --> 04:29:41,600
>> Yeah. And if it is that that volatile if

5693
04:29:41,600 --> 04:29:43,680
it's not if it's that unpredictable then

5694
04:29:43,680 --> 04:29:45,760
maybe we do leave it in and get get it

5695
04:29:45,760 --> 04:29:47,439
on the books to get fixed.

5696
04:29:47,439 --> 04:29:49,040
>> Yeah. And Tanya if you if you want it

5697
04:29:49,040 --> 04:29:50,720
out I'm fine with that. I was just

5698
04:29:50,720 --> 04:29:53,600
>> going to see what taxes do. So we're

5699
04:29:53,600 --> 04:29:58,790
adding it at 180

5700
04:29:58,800 --> 04:30:00,080
» this year

5701
04:30:00,080 --> 04:30:01,760
>> for now. This year

5702
04:30:01,760 --> 04:30:04,000
>> this 26 27.

5703
04:30:04,000 --> 04:30:08,229
>> Yes sir.

5704
04:30:08,239 --> 04:30:19,510
» We get a reality check. But it's on

5705
04:30:19,520 --> 04:30:39,349
Marc.

5706
04:30:39,359 --> 04:30:43,520
everyone's move to project eight. That's

5707
04:30:43,520 --> 04:30:46,960
the Hasslac Park drainage improvements.

5708
04:30:46,960 --> 04:30:50,399
Um, we had completed this past year the

5709
04:30:50,399 --> 04:30:53,760
work here. Uh, and I don't should have

5710
04:30:53,760 --> 04:30:55,279
already had this on there, but I don't.

5711
04:30:55,279 --> 04:30:57,760
We we completed the Shriber

5712
04:30:57,760 --> 04:31:00,399
improvements. You know, drainage is it's

5713
04:31:00,399 --> 04:31:02,880
always expensive as you start

5714
04:31:02,880 --> 04:31:04,560
downstream. So we picked off a

5715
04:31:04,560 --> 04:31:06,880
lowhanging fruit and dealt with some

5716
04:31:06,880 --> 04:31:08,880
issues that were creating some nuisance

5717
04:31:08,880 --> 04:31:11,439
for some folks along Shrivever. So what

5718
04:31:11,439 --> 04:31:13,279
you see in red was completed.

5719
04:31:13,279 --> 04:31:14,479
Everybody's real happy with that

5720
04:31:14,479 --> 04:31:18,399
project. Um, we've got an estimate in

5721
04:31:18,399 --> 04:31:22,640
there of about 2.7 million to construct

5722
04:31:22,640 --> 04:31:25,279
uh some sort of drainage improvements

5723
04:31:25,279 --> 04:31:28,399
through several backyards in the rideway

5724
04:31:28,399 --> 04:31:33,359
and other miscellaneous uh supplemental

5725
04:31:33,359 --> 04:31:35,439
improvements from a drainage perspective

5726
04:31:35,439 --> 04:31:38,159
out there. Um,

5727
04:31:38,159 --> 04:31:42,720
we've got 135 left from the original

5728
04:31:42,720 --> 04:31:44,560
design budget, I believe, that we were

5729
04:31:44,560 --> 04:31:47,120
proposing to just carry over. And what

5730
04:31:47,120 --> 04:31:50,479
we were attempting to do is there's two

5731
04:31:50,479 --> 04:31:54,159
grants, um, a flood infrastructure grant

5732
04:31:54,159 --> 04:31:58,720
and a brick grant. Um, those are both

5733
04:31:58,720 --> 04:32:00,479
federal grants. I believe they're both

5734
04:32:00,479 --> 04:32:03,520
at 7525 splits

5735
04:32:03,520 --> 04:32:06,239
and those are due in November. And so we

5736
04:32:06,239 --> 04:32:09,600
were trying to get these projects um

5737
04:32:09,600 --> 04:32:11,680
designed so that they could be

5738
04:32:11,680 --> 04:32:14,239
considered shovel ready in anticipation

5739
04:32:14,239 --> 04:32:17,359
of submitting um in November for these

5740
04:32:17,359 --> 04:32:21,520
two projects. Um we we've got surveying

5741
04:32:21,520 --> 04:32:24,640
ready to go on these, but we need how

5742
04:32:24,640 --> 04:32:26,640
many ride of entries?

5743
04:32:26,640 --> 04:32:29,680
>> 17 14. A lot. There's a lot of property

5744
04:32:29,680 --> 04:32:31,520
owners that we're having to contact for

5745
04:32:31,520 --> 04:32:34,640
access through their backyards. And so,

5746
04:32:34,640 --> 04:32:36,479
uh, we're working to get that done. We

5747
04:32:36,479 --> 04:32:38,319
think we'll have that wrapped up the

5748
04:32:38,319 --> 04:32:39,920
next couple of weeks. A surveying team

5749
04:32:39,920 --> 04:32:42,319
will get going and then we can put

5750
04:32:42,319 --> 04:32:44,800
together a

5751
04:32:44,800 --> 04:32:48,319
set of preliminary plans and um update

5752
04:32:48,319 --> 04:32:50,239
the cost estimate and have that ready to

5753
04:32:50,239 --> 04:32:53,040
go for the uh grant submitt. We'll see

5754
04:32:53,040 --> 04:32:54,159
how that shakes out.

5755
04:32:54,159 --> 04:32:56,560
>> So, this 135 was already approved.

5756
04:32:56,560 --> 04:32:58,960
>> It was. Yes, sir.

5757
04:32:58,960 --> 04:32:59,760
So, it's already there.

5758
04:32:59,760 --> 04:33:01,920
>> Yeah.

5759
04:33:01,920 --> 04:33:03,439
>> Well, I'm actually a little confused. I

5760
04:33:03,439 --> 04:33:05,039
thought when it said carry forward, it

5761
04:33:05,039 --> 04:33:07,119
includes the amount left, which would be

5762
04:33:07,119 --> 04:33:10,639
the 96891, and then you're adding 135.

5763
04:33:10,639 --> 04:33:12,719
Is that correct?

5764
04:33:12,719 --> 04:33:13,039
>> Yes,

5765
04:33:13,039 --> 04:33:16,240
>> that would put it at 231,891.

5766
04:33:16,240 --> 04:33:17,680
>> We just need 135.

5767
04:33:17,680 --> 04:33:18,799
>> So, we need to get rid of some money.

5768
04:33:18,799 --> 04:33:20,561
>> We still still got five left in the

5769
04:33:20,561 --> 04:33:22,799
current year. So that means we can

5770
04:33:22,799 --> 04:33:27,039
change this 135 to

5771
04:33:27,039 --> 04:33:28,240
>> I don't know that we have all the

5772
04:33:28,240 --> 04:33:30,080
expenditures in there

5773
04:33:30,080 --> 04:33:30,799
>> at this point.

5774
04:33:30,799 --> 04:33:34,320
>> Uh yeah, for now till we get surveying

5775
04:33:34,320 --> 04:33:34,719
done.

5776
04:33:34,719 --> 04:33:34,959
>> Yeah,

5777
04:33:34,959 --> 04:33:36,480
>> that'll be about 30 grand.

5778
04:33:36,480 --> 04:33:38,418
>> Yeah, it Yeah, we need the 135.

5779
04:33:38,418 --> 04:33:41,590
[clears throat]

5780
04:33:41,600 --> 04:33:41,920
» Yeah.

5781
04:33:41,920 --> 04:33:43,760
>> So we're going to keep an extra 100,000

5782
04:33:43,760 --> 04:33:48,240
in there. Well, it's 96 and change,

5783
04:33:48,240 --> 04:33:51,520
>> but the 96 may go down is what I'm

5784
04:33:51,520 --> 04:33:53,119
saying. We don't have all the costs for

5785
04:33:53,119 --> 04:33:54,719
that project in.

5786
04:33:54,719 --> 04:33:56,160
>> Okay. For the one that's finishing out

5787
04:33:56,160 --> 04:33:56,719
this year.

5788
04:33:56,719 --> 04:33:58,719
>> Yeah, that was

5789
04:33:58,719 --> 04:34:00,799
>> Yeah, we think we think 135 would be

5790
04:34:00,799 --> 04:34:02,799
plenty to get it through the design, get

5791
04:34:02,799 --> 04:34:05,920
it uh anything permitted, do all the

5792
04:34:05,920 --> 04:34:07,840
modeling

5793
04:34:07,840 --> 04:34:09,920
and get everything set up for the

5794
04:34:09,920 --> 04:34:12,240
grants.

5795
04:34:12,240 --> 04:34:14,719
I do think the uh construction that you

5796
04:34:14,719 --> 04:34:18,639
have on the 2.5 needs to move up a year.

5797
04:34:18,639 --> 04:34:20,080
>> Which one?

5798
04:34:20,080 --> 04:34:21,359
>> Say that again.

5799
04:34:21,359 --> 04:34:25,439
>> The construction of $2.5 million

5800
04:34:25,439 --> 04:34:28,799
under 2829 fiscal year needs to move up

5801
04:34:28,799 --> 04:34:35,269
to 2728.

5802
04:34:35,279 --> 04:34:36,959
» Oh, you think the roads and the drainage

5803
04:34:36,959 --> 04:34:38,480
should be done at the same time?

5804
04:34:38,480 --> 04:34:39,520
>> Yes,

5805
04:34:39,520 --> 04:34:47,349
>> I would agree.

5806
04:34:47,359 --> 04:34:48,959
So we could show that change. We can

5807
04:34:48,959 --> 04:34:55,269
move the 25 into fiscal year 2728

5808
04:34:55,279 --> 04:34:57,039
and then depending on what you decide at

5809
04:34:57,039 --> 04:34:59,119
the bottom line about the roads that

5810
04:34:59,119 --> 04:35:00,639
those may line up or those may be

5811
04:35:00,639 --> 04:35:02,719
offset.

5812
04:35:02,719 --> 04:35:05,359
>> Well, I thought they as that decision's

5813
04:35:05,359 --> 04:35:06,719
made, Mike.

5814
04:35:06,719 --> 04:35:08,639
>> No, sir. Uh, I think they were waiting

5815
04:35:08,639 --> 04:35:10,561
till the bottom line came out on the

5816
04:35:10,561 --> 04:35:11,920
sliding of the

5817
04:35:11,920 --> 04:35:12,480
>> Oh,

5818
04:35:12,480 --> 04:35:14,561
>> yes sir. of the road design.

5819
04:35:14,561 --> 04:35:16,160
>> It's still in for now.

5820
04:35:16,160 --> 04:35:18,240
>> Correct. Yes, sir. But on my

5821
04:35:18,240 --> 04:35:20,160
spreadsheet, I got a lot of lines on

5822
04:35:20,160 --> 04:35:21,359
here. So,

5823
04:35:21,359 --> 04:35:23,840
>> okay.

5824
04:35:23,840 --> 04:35:25,600
170

5825
04:35:25,600 --> 04:35:29,760
>> 170. Um, we've got 25,000 to just

5826
04:35:29,760 --> 04:35:32,719
continue coordinating and keeping

5827
04:35:32,719 --> 04:35:36,080
everybody up to date. And we we've got

5828
04:35:36,080 --> 04:35:38,000
some preliminary work here that I'll

5829
04:35:38,000 --> 04:35:40,959
share with you. This is we know of one

5830
04:35:40,959 --> 04:35:43,600
known uh utility conflict that we're

5831
04:35:43,600 --> 04:35:44,799
going to have to deal with on this

5832
04:35:44,799 --> 04:35:48,799
project. And we we know that this can be

5833
04:35:48,799 --> 04:35:51,279
a a reimbursement. And I've already

5834
04:35:51,279 --> 04:35:56,719
explained to Text Dot that, you know, we need to get moving on the agreement

5835
04:35:56,719 --> 04:36:00,080
for reimbursement. You can see this

5836
04:36:00,080 --> 04:36:01,920
water line that was put in with Hasslip

5837
04:36:01,920 --> 04:36:05,199
Parkway up inter modal is going to end

5838
04:36:05,199 --> 04:36:12,000
up underneath the landing of the 170. And so as of

5839
04:36:12,000 --> 04:36:14,080
right now, we think that's our only

5840
04:36:14,080 --> 04:36:15,680
utility conflict. We do have a sewer

5841
04:36:15,680 --> 04:36:17,760
line up through here, but I don't think

5842
04:36:17,760 --> 04:36:19,199
they're going to be they're done with

5843
04:36:19,199 --> 04:36:22,719
their bridge. So just general project

5844
04:36:22,719 --> 04:36:23,520
coordination and

5845
04:36:23,520 --> 04:36:24,719
>> it's right here.

5846
04:36:24,719 --> 04:36:28,240
>> They're all right here.

5847
04:36:28,240 --> 04:36:30,080
Sorry.

5848
04:36:30,080 --> 04:36:33,760
>> Uh there's there's rightway that needs

5849
04:36:33,760 --> 04:36:36,080
to be conveyed for this project and

5850
04:36:36,080 --> 04:36:37,920
right now the the roadway has been

5851
04:36:37,920 --> 04:36:40,639
pushed to the north side of Hasset

5852
04:36:40,639 --> 04:36:42,400
Parkway where where the city currently

5853
04:36:42,400 --> 04:36:45,920
has all of the uh temporary or permanent

5854
04:36:45,920 --> 04:36:48,240
drainage and grading easements that were

5855
04:36:48,240 --> 04:36:50,561
acquired as part of Hasset Parkway. So

5856
04:36:50,561 --> 04:36:52,160
there's some work there that needs to be

5857
04:36:52,160 --> 04:36:55,439
done to assist in the transfer and

5858
04:36:55,439 --> 04:36:58,639
conveyance of those easements as right

5859
04:36:58,639 --> 04:37:01,359
away to text dot pending council

5860
04:37:01,359 --> 04:37:02,639
approval.

5861
04:37:02,639 --> 04:37:04,639
>> So that's just a a placeholder to kind

5862
04:37:04,639 --> 04:37:06,240
of keep

5863
04:37:06,240 --> 04:37:08,400
>> to determine how to assign a value to

5864
04:37:08,400 --> 04:37:08,959
that.

5865
04:37:08,959 --> 04:37:11,279
>> Yes, sir.

5866
04:37:11,279 --> 04:37:13,119
Fort Worth. That's what they've done

5867
04:37:13,119 --> 04:37:15,680
with theirs. And when they're assigning

5868
04:37:15,680 --> 04:37:19,199
their rightway to Tax Dot, I think

5869
04:37:19,199 --> 04:37:20,959
they're paying upwards something like

5870
04:37:20,959 --> 04:37:24,879
$65 a square foot.

5871
04:37:24,879 --> 04:37:28,160
So, we got to uh work we can get some

5872
04:37:28,160 --> 04:37:30,719
people who have done it and assign

5873
04:37:30,719 --> 04:37:32,240
values to that.

5874
04:37:32,240 --> 04:37:34,480
>> So, all of these fees in here you see

5875
04:37:34,480 --> 04:37:37,199
for our city engineer on this project,

5876
04:37:37,199 --> 04:37:40,959
they will all be reimbursed.

5877
04:37:40,959 --> 04:37:44,160
This is a 100% text dot project and any

5878
04:37:44,160 --> 04:37:46,719
participation on anybody's part, our

5879
04:37:46,719 --> 04:37:49,439
city engineer or anyone else that is

5880
04:37:49,439 --> 04:37:57,029
part of that uh cost in that project.

5881
04:37:57,039 --> 04:38:01,680
» So 170 is just kind of moving along.

5882
04:38:01,680 --> 04:38:03,199
>> Um

5883
04:38:03,199 --> 04:38:06,400
Hasslet Parkway, same thing. We've got

5884
04:38:06,400 --> 04:38:08,799
money in there to I think the the bigger

5885
04:38:08,799 --> 04:38:10,959
one on this the the unknown at this

5886
04:38:10,959 --> 04:38:12,959
point and I'm I'll have some more

5887
04:38:12,959 --> 04:38:15,279
information. I've got an update that I'm

5888
04:38:15,279 --> 04:38:18,480
trying to get ready for the 17th. Um

5889
04:38:18,480 --> 04:38:20,160
there is the expectation and the

5890
04:38:20,160 --> 04:38:22,160
understanding that any temporary

5891
04:38:22,160 --> 04:38:23,680
construction easements or grading

5892
04:38:23,680 --> 04:38:26,160
easements that are necessary to support

5893
04:38:26,160 --> 04:38:27,760
this project would be the city's

5894
04:38:27,760 --> 04:38:31,119
responsibility to get. Now, I don't know

5895
04:38:31,119 --> 04:38:33,920
if that's get on your dollar, if that's

5896
04:38:33,920 --> 04:38:36,639
get and be reimbursed. Those are some

5897
04:38:36,639 --> 04:38:38,639
details that we need to sort through,

5898
04:38:38,639 --> 04:38:40,480
but [clears throat] a lot of the

5899
04:38:40,480 --> 04:38:42,400
easements that were acquired under the

5900
04:38:42,400 --> 04:38:44,080
original High Parkway project have

5901
04:38:44,080 --> 04:38:47,760
either expired or are expiring.

5902
04:38:47,760 --> 04:38:51,760
And um obviously if they needed those to

5903
04:38:51,760 --> 04:38:54,320
construct the original project, there's

5904
04:38:54,320 --> 04:38:56,639
u a good stretch of that great

5905
04:38:56,639 --> 04:38:59,520
improvements still necessary. So, um,

5906
04:38:59,520 --> 04:39:02,400
we'll have some additional information,

5907
04:39:02,400 --> 04:39:04,719
uh, for you at the meeting on the 17th

5908
04:39:04,719 --> 04:39:08,629
for this project.

5909
04:39:08,639 --> 04:39:09,520
» We're also trying to

5910
04:39:09,520 --> 04:39:11,439
>> So, what's happening on the 17th?

5911
04:39:11,439 --> 04:39:13,680
>> I'll have an update for the for everyone

5912
04:39:13,680 --> 04:39:15,279
on on Hassla Parkway

5913
04:39:15,279 --> 04:39:17,359
>> concerning required easements.

5914
04:39:17,359 --> 04:39:20,080
>> Uh, potentially. Yes, sir. Contract

5915
04:39:20,080 --> 04:39:22,480
status, schedule, discussions with text

5916
04:39:22,480 --> 04:39:25,439
dot, agreement status, easements.

5917
04:39:25,439 --> 04:39:26,400
>> All right. Yes, sir.

5918
04:39:26,400 --> 04:39:29,119
>> Okay. Well, we have a very comprehensive

5919
04:39:29,119 --> 04:39:31,760
list of easements

5920
04:39:31,760 --> 04:39:33,119
and every one of them that were

5921
04:39:33,119 --> 04:39:36,000
executed. Most of them are just going to

5922
04:39:36,000 --> 04:39:41,110
them and ask them to renew it.

5923
04:39:41,120 --> 04:39:43,520
» Unless you got new defined easements.

5924
04:39:43,520 --> 04:39:44,480
>> No, sir.

5925
04:39:44,480 --> 04:39:47,750
>> All right.

5926
04:39:47,760 --> 04:39:51,680
Okay. Um my next one, I think we're on

5927
04:39:51,680 --> 04:39:54,080
SD11. That's Careway Street and

5928
04:39:54,080 --> 04:39:56,000
drainage. We've talked about that. I

5929
04:39:56,000 --> 04:39:58,400
believe that's that intersection silver

5930
04:39:58,400 --> 04:40:02,240
sage and wild sienna. That's 125,000 for

5931
04:40:02,240 --> 04:40:04,480
survey design

5932
04:40:04,480 --> 04:40:06,798
potentially this next year. Correct.

5933
04:40:06,798 --> 04:40:07,520
Fund 20.

5934
04:40:07,520 --> 04:40:10,400
>> Um this is Yes.

5935
04:40:10,400 --> 04:40:12,400
>> 120,000. I had a question. It's on fund

5936
04:40:12,400 --> 04:40:15,520
20 and it's on here SD11. Is there do

5937
04:40:15,520 --> 04:40:16,160
you see what I'm saying?

5938
04:40:16,160 --> 04:40:18,240
>> No, I just messed up.

5939
04:40:18,240 --> 04:40:20,400
>> Okay. So, is SD11 going to go away?

5940
04:40:20,400 --> 04:40:21,760
>> Yeah, we're going to take that one away.

5941
04:40:21,760 --> 04:40:23,680
We'll just leave that under fund 20 if

5942
04:40:23,680 --> 04:40:26,480
everybody's okay with that. Yeah. Okay.

5943
04:40:26,480 --> 04:40:27,520
Thank you.

5944
04:40:27,520 --> 04:40:29,520
>> Okay. Time out. I'm not I just heard two

5945
04:40:29,520 --> 04:40:31,440
different things. We're going to take it

5946
04:40:31,440 --> 04:40:32,878
away, but we're going to leave it under

5947
04:40:32,878 --> 04:40:34,080
fund 20.

5948
04:40:34,080 --> 04:40:35,920
>> Well, remove to

5949
04:40:35,920 --> 04:40:38,320
>> I think remove it from my spreadsheet as

5950
04:40:38,320 --> 04:40:41,200
a standalone SD11 project

5951
04:40:41,200 --> 04:40:42,638
>> because we've already got it cast.

5952
04:40:42,638 --> 04:40:45,040
>> It's included with the Careway entrance.

5953
04:40:45,040 --> 04:40:45,440
Yeah.

5954
04:40:45,440 --> 04:40:46,958
>> And on the

5955
04:40:46,958 --> 04:40:47,760
>> fun 20.

5956
04:40:47,760 --> 04:40:52,708
>> Fund 20. Yes, sir. Got it. Okay.

5957
04:40:52,718 --> 04:40:54,878
Aenddale Hasslet grade separated

5958
04:40:54,878 --> 04:40:59,120
crossing. That's the the bridge

5959
04:40:59,120 --> 04:41:02,000
project. Short bridge, long bridge,

5960
04:41:02,000 --> 04:41:05,520
whatever bridge there is.

5961
04:41:05,520 --> 04:41:07,520
Um,

5962
04:41:07,520 --> 04:41:09,680
Brentwood,

5963
04:41:09,680 --> 04:41:13,590
let me ask you something.

5964
04:41:13,600 --> 04:41:16,480
The Hasslet

5965
04:41:16,480 --> 04:41:19,600
grade separated. Happenel Hasslet grade

5966
04:41:19,600 --> 04:41:22,628
separated

5967
04:41:22,638 --> 04:41:24,160
crossing

5968
04:41:24,160 --> 04:41:28,160
and also Hasset Parkway improvement.

5969
04:41:28,160 --> 04:41:31,280
The Hasslet Parkway improvement includes

5970
04:41:31,280 --> 04:41:33,520
the grade separation.

5971
04:41:33,520 --> 04:41:34,798
>> Correct.

5972
04:41:34,798 --> 04:41:38,080
And so you got a

5973
04:41:38,080 --> 04:41:41,200
Aendelle Hasslet grade separation

5974
04:41:41,200 --> 04:41:44,628
specific

5975
04:41:44,638 --> 04:41:46,878
and it's already included under Hasslet

5976
04:41:46,878 --> 04:41:49,520
Parkway improvement. How does that work?

5977
04:41:49,520 --> 04:41:50,878
What's happening with that?

5978
04:41:50,878 --> 04:41:53,280
>> Well, the the

5979
04:41:53,280 --> 04:41:56,240
short bridge is currently contemplated

5980
04:41:56,240 --> 04:41:57,920
and that is what

5981
04:41:57,920 --> 04:42:00,240
>> that's in the has a parkway improvement

5982
04:42:00,240 --> 04:42:01,440
project as a whole.

5983
04:42:01,440 --> 04:42:03,120
>> Yes, sir. And then the long bridge was

5984
04:42:03,120 --> 04:42:05,120
kind of a standalone project. So we just

5985
04:42:05,120 --> 04:42:06,560
had that developed and we were just

5986
04:42:06,560 --> 04:42:07,520
carrying it over.

5987
04:42:07,520 --> 04:42:09,680
>> So this is long bridge.

5988
04:42:09,680 --> 04:42:11,520
>> I guess it would be better to just call

5989
04:42:11,520 --> 04:42:12,718
that out as the long bridge

5990
04:42:12,718 --> 04:42:14,798
>> so we know which cuz this is just

5991
04:42:14,798 --> 04:42:15,920
>> Yes, sir. Understand.

5992
04:42:15,920 --> 04:42:18,638
>> Appear to me we're paying for it twice

5993
04:42:18,638 --> 04:42:20,160
here.

5994
04:42:20,160 --> 04:42:22,400
All right. I'm going to put long bridge.

5995
04:42:22,400 --> 04:42:25,040
We are

5996
04:42:25,040 --> 04:42:26,878
>> Can can we actually leave it neutral and

5997
04:42:26,878 --> 04:42:29,040
just maybe make a note underneath the

5998
04:42:29,040 --> 04:42:31,200
description just in case we're needing

5999
04:42:31,200 --> 04:42:32,638
say the long bridge we don't get the

6000
04:42:32,638 --> 04:42:34,080
grant and we're needing the funds for

6001
04:42:34,080 --> 04:42:35,840
something for the short bridge. Could we

6002
04:42:35,840 --> 04:42:38,718
just keep the language neutral?

6003
04:42:38,718 --> 04:42:40,400
>> Is there something saying wrong with

6004
04:42:40,400 --> 04:42:41,760
saying long bridge?

6005
04:42:41,760 --> 04:42:44,000
>> It means that we can't use it for

6006
04:42:44,000 --> 04:42:45,680
>> Yeah, it ties it to that only. And I

6007
04:42:45,680 --> 04:42:47,760
thought also on the house park way

6008
04:42:47,760 --> 04:42:49,200
improvements it could deal with

6009
04:42:49,200 --> 04:42:51,040
easements as well, not just grade

6010
04:42:51,040 --> 04:42:52,320
separation. So

6011
04:42:52,320 --> 04:42:53,040
>> say that again.

6012
04:42:53,040 --> 04:42:54,480
>> But also the Hasslet Parkway

6013
04:42:54,480 --> 04:42:57,280
improvements SD10 does also encompass

6014
04:42:57,280 --> 04:43:01,120
more than just the grade separation. So

6015
04:43:01,120 --> 04:43:02,400
>> I kind of like how they're both

6016
04:43:02,400 --> 04:43:05,760
>> that whole project covers from I35

6017
04:43:05,760 --> 04:43:07,600
to our western city

6018
04:43:07,600 --> 04:43:12,480
>> right through stage 16 a the base bridge

6019
04:43:12,480 --> 04:43:15,280
being the short bridge included.

6020
04:43:15,280 --> 04:43:16,638
>> I'm just suggesting we leave the

6021
04:43:16,638 --> 04:43:17,840
language as is.

6022
04:43:17,840 --> 04:43:20,638
>> I agree.

6023
04:43:20,638 --> 04:43:21,520
suggesting one.

6024
04:43:21,520 --> 04:43:22,080
>> Can I

6025
04:43:22,080 --> 04:43:23,840
>> leave the language as is?

6026
04:43:23,840 --> 04:43:25,120
>> Don't add long bridge.

6027
04:43:25,120 --> 04:43:25,680
>> Add long bridge.

6028
04:43:25,680 --> 04:43:26,798
>> While we're talking about has a parkway,

6029
04:43:26,798 --> 04:43:28,718
can I ask a dumb question, Mr. Mayor?

6030
04:43:28,718 --> 04:43:29,680
>> Sure.

6031
04:43:29,680 --> 04:43:32,480
>> Um whether it's the short bridge or the

6032
04:43:32,480 --> 04:43:35,920
long bridge, do we need to be currently

6033
04:43:35,920 --> 04:43:38,878
getting rideway to prepare for either

6034
04:43:38,878 --> 04:43:40,718
possibility?

6035
04:43:40,718 --> 04:43:43,120
>> We don't know what rideway we need and

6036
04:43:43,120 --> 04:43:44,400
that's what they're working towards

6037
04:43:44,400 --> 04:43:45,120
right now.

6038
04:43:45,120 --> 04:43:47,760
>> Okay. an extra problem.

6039
04:43:47,760 --> 04:43:49,520
>> Well, I'm trying to piece it out a

6040
04:43:49,520 --> 04:43:51,920
little more so it's not one such big

6041
04:43:51,920 --> 04:43:53,680
chunks.

6042
04:43:53,680 --> 04:43:54,878
>> I mean either either way

6043
04:43:54,878 --> 04:43:57,360
>> almost all of the right away

6044
04:43:57,360 --> 04:43:59,360
>> is acquired that's needed. They're not

6045
04:43:59,360 --> 04:44:00,958
rerouting anything

6046
04:44:00,958 --> 04:44:01,840
>> already.

6047
04:44:01,840 --> 04:44:05,200
>> Yes, that was that was before you know

6048
04:44:05,200 --> 04:44:07,440
when the project started.

6049
04:44:07,440 --> 04:44:08,798
>> Yeah, that chambers our former economic

6050
04:44:08,798 --> 04:44:10,320
development coordinator got all those

6051
04:44:10,320 --> 04:44:11,760
parcels. Okay, that's

6052
04:44:11,760 --> 04:44:14,320
>> there may be some the easement work,

6053
04:44:14,320 --> 04:44:16,400
construction easements, that's got to

6054
04:44:16,400 --> 04:44:18,958
all be renewed,

6055
04:44:18,958 --> 04:44:22,958
>> but the rightway itself, it should be

6056
04:44:22,958 --> 04:44:23,680
sufficient.

6057
04:44:23,680 --> 04:44:26,000
>> Okay, that's what I'm asking. Thank you.

6058
04:44:26,000 --> 04:44:27,680
>> Follow-up question to what Chris just

6059
04:44:27,680 --> 04:44:29,920
asked. Is there any utility movement we

6060
04:44:29,920 --> 04:44:31,600
could be getting ahead of so we're not

6061
04:44:31,600 --> 04:44:34,240
running into issues like they did with

6062
04:44:34,240 --> 04:44:37,120
station 69?

6063
04:44:37,120 --> 04:44:39,920
>> Uh, potentially. you know, we've we

6064
04:44:39,920 --> 04:44:45,920
asked for a a forensic uh

6065
04:44:45,920 --> 04:44:48,878
summary of the project expenses for the

6066
04:44:48,878 --> 04:44:50,958
original project as it relates to the

6067
04:44:50,958 --> 04:44:53,120
funds that the city contributed for

6068
04:44:53,120 --> 04:44:55,760
utility construction. We know that our

6069
04:44:55,760 --> 04:44:58,000
utilities weren't quite finished and so

6070
04:44:58,000 --> 04:45:00,240
we're we still waiting for that to come

6071
04:45:00,240 --> 04:45:04,080
back. Um we're going to know a lot more

6072
04:45:04,080 --> 04:45:06,400
over the next two months. They're Kimley

6073
04:45:06,400 --> 04:45:08,560
Horn should be under contract any if

6074
04:45:08,560 --> 04:45:10,878
they're not under contract they they

6075
04:45:10,878 --> 04:45:12,400
will be under contract by the time we

6076
04:45:12,400 --> 04:45:14,400
come to the meeting on the 17th

6077
04:45:14,400 --> 04:45:17,040
>> and at that at that point we'll we can

6078
04:45:17,040 --> 04:45:18,798
begin working with them to figure out

6079
04:45:18,798 --> 04:45:20,638
>> under contract.

6080
04:45:20,638 --> 04:45:23,360
>> Okay. So they're under contract now. Do

6081
04:45:23,360 --> 04:45:24,958
you think there's anything we need a

6082
04:45:24,958 --> 04:45:27,040
budget to help us get through the next

6083
04:45:27,040 --> 04:45:29,360
year? Even if it's being reimbursed

6084
04:45:29,360 --> 04:45:30,160
through

6085
04:45:30,160 --> 04:45:31,760
>> I think what's in this budget is

6086
04:45:31,760 --> 04:45:33,760
adequate for this year given that

6087
04:45:33,760 --> 04:45:35,440
they're they're late start on the

6088
04:45:35,440 --> 04:45:37,760
project. Now, that may need to change as

6089
04:45:37,760 --> 04:45:39,280
we get through this year. We may need to

6090
04:45:39,280 --> 04:45:41,600
up that, but our goal is to try to get

6091
04:45:41,600 --> 04:45:44,560
them to um pay for everything and it's

6092
04:45:44,560 --> 04:45:46,080
not even a reimbursement.

6093
04:45:46,080 --> 04:45:48,320
>> Okay. You want them to direct your the

6094
04:45:48,320 --> 04:45:50,160
goal is to have them directly.

6095
04:45:50,160 --> 04:45:51,680
>> I think that might that would make the

6096
04:45:51,680 --> 04:45:53,120
most sense and then the city's not

6097
04:45:53,120 --> 04:45:54,878
having to fund it and get reimbured

6098
04:45:54,878 --> 04:45:55,840
tracking it.

6099
04:45:55,840 --> 04:45:57,040
>> Got it.

6100
04:45:57,040 --> 04:45:59,200
>> But we'll we'll get into that as we move

6101
04:45:59,200 --> 04:46:06,868
forward over the next few months.

6102
04:46:06,878 --> 04:46:15,350
Uh 13. You want to do 13? Uh Brentwood.

6103
04:46:15,360 --> 04:46:19,750
It's budgeted.

6104
04:46:19,760 --> 04:46:22,878
» Okay. So, that's we've got all the uh

6105
04:46:22,878 --> 04:46:28,070
surveying back on that. Um

6106
04:46:28,080 --> 04:46:30,080
it's a pretty straightforward project.

6107
04:46:30,080 --> 04:46:32,160
Just adjusting the grades. You can kind

6108
04:46:32,160 --> 04:46:34,878
of see in this exhibit that's up on the

6109
04:46:34,878 --> 04:46:36,718
screen how you've got certain portions

6110
04:46:36,718 --> 04:46:39,680
of that roadway that get real close to

6111
04:46:39,680 --> 04:46:42,798
the rideway line. And we've got some

6112
04:46:42,798 --> 04:46:44,240
drainage issues that need to be

6113
04:46:44,240 --> 04:46:46,000
corrected. We got bunch of driveways

6114
04:46:46,000 --> 04:46:49,360
that need to be replaced. So, um, trying

6115
04:46:49,360 --> 04:46:51,360
to keep that project moving forward.

6116
04:46:51,360 --> 04:46:54,240
We've got some carryover funds, I guess,

6117
04:46:54,240 --> 04:46:56,160
to keep that one moving. We estimate

6118
04:46:56,160 --> 04:47:03,190
that to be about a $2 million project.

6119
04:47:03,200 --> 04:47:05,440
Showing construction next year,

6120
04:47:05,440 --> 04:47:07,200
whatever, whatever you guys want to do

6121
04:47:07,200 --> 04:47:09,318
on that one.

6122
04:47:09,318 --> 04:47:13,510
[cough and clears throat]

6123
04:47:13,520 --> 04:47:19,200
Okay. So SD13, everybody good with that?

6124
04:47:19,200 --> 04:47:22,320
>> Okay. The Tarant County road ILA

6125
04:47:22,320 --> 04:47:27,040
projects, that would be um

6126
04:47:27,040 --> 04:47:32,080
well, those are those are way out.

6127
04:47:32,080 --> 04:47:34,320
Um nothing we need to worry about right

6128
04:47:34,320 --> 04:47:38,160
now. Did we cover we covered the um

6129
04:47:38,160 --> 04:47:41,920
earlier in the discussion the uh Bane

6130
04:47:41,920 --> 04:47:44,958
Road and Maxwell as part of this and

6131
04:47:44,958 --> 04:47:46,160
then

6132
04:47:46,160 --> 04:47:48,638
>> and then the schoolhouse Westport

6133
04:47:48,638 --> 04:47:52,150
intersection.

6134
04:47:52,160 --> 04:47:53,920
» Okay.

6135
04:47:53,920 --> 04:47:55,840
So let's see.

6136
04:47:55,840 --> 04:47:58,080
>> Let me ask you where is uh Westport

6137
04:47:58,080 --> 04:48:03,750
Parkway and 156 under this ILA list?

6138
04:48:03,760 --> 04:48:07,120
Well, it is.

6139
04:48:07,120 --> 04:48:09,600
It's not in here.

6140
04:48:09,600 --> 04:48:10,878
>> It needs to go in.

6141
04:48:10,878 --> 04:48:15,990
>> It does need to go in.

6142
04:48:16,000 --> 04:48:16,638
» That's

6143
04:48:16,638 --> 04:48:21,520
>> Westport Parkway and FM 156.

6144
04:48:21,520 --> 04:48:23,680
>> It's not on this list right here.

6145
04:48:23,680 --> 04:48:25,920
>> We We had it. It's It was in this year's

6146
04:48:25,920 --> 04:48:27,840
budget. It just the budget amount

6147
04:48:27,840 --> 04:48:28,718
changed. So,

6148
04:48:28,718 --> 04:48:30,400
>> yeah. I just need to find it.

6149
04:48:30,400 --> 04:48:30,638
>> Yeah.

6150
04:48:30,638 --> 04:48:32,320
>> Where's it at?

6151
04:48:32,320 --> 04:48:33,840
No, I don't even It's not even on my

6152
04:48:33,840 --> 04:48:34,160
sheet.

6153
04:48:34,160 --> 04:48:35,360
>> It's not on this sheet.

6154
04:48:35,360 --> 04:48:36,000
>> No, sir.

6155
04:48:36,000 --> 04:48:37,680
>> And this sheet needs to correlate.

6156
04:48:37,680 --> 04:48:43,030
>> Yes, sir. I agree.

6157
04:48:43,040 --> 04:48:57,430
>> This one.

6158
04:48:57,440 --> 04:49:00,240
» Is that going to be SD16?

6159
04:49:00,240 --> 04:49:01,760
I'm going to put it under 14.

6160
04:49:01,760 --> 04:49:02,000
>> Okay.

6161
04:49:02,000 --> 04:49:03,360
>> You're going to put it under 14?

6162
04:49:03,360 --> 04:49:04,160
>> I think so.

6163
04:49:04,160 --> 04:49:09,840
>> Okay. SD14. And so you need 600,000.

6164
04:49:09,840 --> 04:49:11,760
>> We had 450.

6165
04:49:11,760 --> 04:49:12,878
>> Is this the drawing?

6166
04:49:12,878 --> 04:49:15,040
>> Four. Yes, ma'am.

6167
04:49:15,040 --> 04:49:17,040
>> Yes.

6168
04:49:17,040 --> 04:49:20,560
So the the original when this when we

6169
04:49:20,560 --> 04:49:24,000
budgeted for this project or u conceived

6170
04:49:24,000 --> 04:49:26,798
the estimate and the concept plan last

6171
04:49:26,798 --> 04:49:31,040
year in summer of 2025

6172
04:49:31,040 --> 04:49:34,000
the thought was we'll just mill it and

6173
04:49:34,000 --> 04:49:38,480
we'll restripe it. Um, we also we had a

6174
04:49:38,480 --> 04:49:40,878
project earlier this year where we went

6175
04:49:40,878 --> 04:49:44,160
in and replaced those uh those

6176
04:49:44,160 --> 04:49:47,120
transitions at the bridges

6177
04:49:47,120 --> 04:49:49,600
and in discussing with everybody

6178
04:49:49,600 --> 04:49:51,760
including the county folks, it was all

6179
04:49:51,760 --> 04:49:53,440
agreed that this needed to be completely

6180
04:49:53,440 --> 04:49:57,840
rebuilt. So to rebuild it, to fix it,

6181
04:49:57,840 --> 04:50:01,040
right, we need 600,000,

6182
04:50:01,040 --> 04:50:04,560
which is an increase from the 450 or 400

6183
04:50:04,560 --> 04:50:06,958
that's currently in the budget.

6184
04:50:06,958 --> 04:50:08,638
>> Mike, this kind of looks similar to what

6185
04:50:08,638 --> 04:50:10,878
we have now. Can you describe the

6186
04:50:10,878 --> 04:50:12,160
changes? Like

6187
04:50:12,160 --> 04:50:14,240
>> I think the only real the only real

6188
04:50:14,240 --> 04:50:18,000
difference is um basically setting up

6189
04:50:18,000 --> 04:50:20,240
three lanes here, one straight, one

6190
04:50:20,240 --> 04:50:23,440
dedicated right, one dedicated left

6191
04:50:23,440 --> 04:50:26,320
um to facilitate that westbound

6192
04:50:26,320 --> 04:50:29,280
traffic movement.

6193
04:50:29,280 --> 04:50:30,958
>> It does. Now, that'd be very convenient

6194
04:50:30,958 --> 04:50:32,878
for people that are going right to

6195
04:50:32,878 --> 04:50:33,440
school.

6196
04:50:33,440 --> 04:50:34,240
>> It would be,

6197
04:50:34,240 --> 04:50:38,480
>> but also the eastbound is keeping those

6198
04:50:38,480 --> 04:50:41,600
two lanes instead of merging right there

6199
04:50:41,600 --> 04:50:43,520
at schoolhouse road into one.

6200
04:50:43,520 --> 04:50:45,200
>> Yes, sir.

6201
04:50:45,200 --> 04:50:48,160
>> And at some point, just one second. at

6202
04:50:48,160 --> 04:50:50,240
some point when and if there's some

6203
04:50:50,240 --> 04:50:52,798
interim improvements that may need to be

6204
04:50:52,798 --> 04:50:55,840
looked at on 156 there may be you may

6205
04:50:55,840 --> 04:50:59,280
have the ability to um send more

6206
04:50:59,280 --> 04:51:01,920
movements down towards Aenddale Hasslet

6207
04:51:01,920 --> 04:51:04,400
and so that would set us up for that

6208
04:51:04,400 --> 04:51:06,320
possibility that middle lane that's

6209
04:51:06,320 --> 04:51:08,080
currently straight only could be

6210
04:51:08,080 --> 04:51:10,480
straight left once you have the capacity

6211
04:51:10,480 --> 04:51:13,680
on 156 as some because I think if you if

6212
04:51:13,680 --> 04:51:15,920
you look at it and all this is we've got

6213
04:51:15,920 --> 04:51:17,440
that signal

6214
04:51:17,440 --> 04:51:19,600
study and traffic study that Lee

6215
04:51:19,600 --> 04:51:21,200
Engineering is doing. They're about to

6216
04:51:21,200 --> 04:51:23,760
go back out once school's back in and re

6217
04:51:23,760 --> 04:51:25,360
recollect data, but a lot of that

6218
04:51:25,360 --> 04:51:28,160
movement appears to be folks trying to

6219
04:51:28,160 --> 04:51:30,878
go down and out Aenddale Hasslet Way.

6220
04:51:30,878 --> 04:51:32,958
So, this sets us up. Now, we do have

6221
04:51:32,958 --> 04:51:34,638
some rideway that we need to acquire

6222
04:51:34,638 --> 04:51:37,200
down there. Um, and that's that's in the

6223
04:51:37,200 --> 04:51:40,160
process, but this construction is

6224
04:51:40,160 --> 04:51:44,320
programmed for December by the county,

6225
04:51:44,320 --> 04:51:46,638
December of this year.

6226
04:51:46,638 --> 04:51:48,400
So, they're going to do

6227
04:51:48,400 --> 04:51:50,718
>> they're going to do Bane Road, then

6228
04:51:50,718 --> 04:51:53,600
they'll do Maxwell, and then they'll go

6229
04:51:53,600 --> 04:51:55,840
do one or two other jobs somewhere else,

6230
04:51:55,840 --> 04:51:58,320
and then remobilize back and come take

6231
04:51:58,320 --> 04:51:59,840
care of this in December.

6232
04:51:59,840 --> 04:52:01,040
>> Can I ask a dumb question?

6233
04:52:01,040 --> 04:52:03,120
>> Sure.

6234
04:52:03,120 --> 04:52:05,920
>> So, I love the threelane thing that's

6235
04:52:05,920 --> 04:52:08,080
going westbound.

6236
04:52:08,080 --> 04:52:10,638
I've seen some other intersections

6237
04:52:10,638 --> 04:52:13,440
where the right-hand lane up there that

6238
04:52:13,440 --> 04:52:16,240
is going to be a right turn only onto

6239
04:52:16,240 --> 04:52:17,760
North 156.

6240
04:52:17,760 --> 04:52:19,760
>> Yes.

6241
04:52:19,760 --> 04:52:24,638
>> Have a median that that uh separates

6242
04:52:24,638 --> 04:52:27,200
that off so that it's its own lane and

6243
04:52:27,200 --> 04:52:30,480
gets to bypass that first light

6244
04:52:30,480 --> 04:52:34,718
and go straight through to 156. So,

6245
04:52:34,718 --> 04:52:36,480
>> so that because they don't care about

6246
04:52:36,480 --> 04:52:39,040
going left or straight.

6247
04:52:39,040 --> 04:52:41,520
>> So, then that whole everybody that's

6248
04:52:41,520 --> 04:52:43,200
going to turn north on 156 could just

6249
04:52:43,200 --> 04:52:45,680
bypass that first light, go up to 156

6250
04:52:45,680 --> 04:52:47,920
and take a ride immediately without

6251
04:52:47,920 --> 04:52:49,600
backing up that light for everybody

6252
04:52:49,600 --> 04:52:50,638
else.

6253
04:52:50,638 --> 04:52:52,480
>> I've seen that. I had that suggestion

6254
04:52:52,480 --> 04:52:55,840
from somebody that went to Hawaii.

6255
04:52:55,840 --> 04:52:56,480
>> So, is there

6256
04:52:56,480 --> 04:52:59,360
>> anyway, but let me let me offer this.

6257
04:52:59,360 --> 04:53:00,240
He's still talking.

6258
04:53:00,240 --> 04:53:02,000
>> And I got to think, well, that would be

6259
04:53:02,000 --> 04:53:04,718
great.

6260
04:53:04,718 --> 04:53:07,440
>> But if you're on schoolhouse road, a lot

6261
04:53:07,440 --> 04:53:09,120
of people on school, they come on

6262
04:53:09,120 --> 04:53:10,560
Schoolhouse Road,

6263
04:53:10,560 --> 04:53:12,560
>> they take a left, then immediately take

6264
04:53:12,560 --> 04:53:13,040
a right.

6265
04:53:13,040 --> 04:53:14,560
>> You can still do that if you make the

6266
04:53:14,560 --> 04:53:16,638
middle lane when it gets to 156 where

6267
04:53:16,638 --> 04:53:19,680
they can turn a right right there,

6268
04:53:19,680 --> 04:53:20,240
you know.

6269
04:53:20,240 --> 04:53:21,760
>> Well, your median would have

6270
04:53:21,760 --> 04:53:24,080
>> So, you basically have a double right on

6271
04:53:24,080 --> 04:53:25,840
156

6272
04:53:25,840 --> 04:53:28,958
>> if you wanted to bypass this light. Yes.

6273
04:53:28,958 --> 04:53:30,958
For the right hand lane only had to

6274
04:53:30,958 --> 04:53:31,920
start back here.

6275
04:53:31,920 --> 04:53:32,718
>> Yes.

6276
04:53:32,718 --> 04:53:34,878
>> But these people here could not take

6277
04:53:34,878 --> 04:53:35,760
>> turn to the middle lane.

6278
04:53:35,760 --> 04:53:36,480
>> Take a left.

6279
04:53:36,480 --> 04:53:37,920
>> No, they would turn to the middle lane.

6280
04:53:37,920 --> 04:53:38,560
>> Take a right.

6281
04:53:38,560 --> 04:53:39,520
>> Yes. Well, I think

6282
04:53:39,520 --> 04:53:41,040
>> but they're I'm talking about very

6283
04:53:41,040 --> 04:53:42,878
specifically for those individuals in

6284
04:53:42,878 --> 04:53:44,000
the blue car left

6285
04:53:44,000 --> 04:53:45,840
>> and then go over and take a right.

6286
04:53:45,840 --> 04:53:47,280
>> No, they would go they would turn to the

6287
04:53:47,280 --> 04:53:49,520
middle lane and then turn right out of

6288
04:53:49,520 --> 04:53:50,560
the middle lane. So, you basically have

6289
04:53:50,560 --> 04:53:51,440
a double right.

6290
04:53:51,440 --> 04:53:52,560
>> Go ahead.

6291
04:53:52,560 --> 04:53:53,520
>> There's very few cars.

6292
04:53:53,520 --> 04:53:56,000
>> You got a double right capability on

6293
04:53:56,000 --> 04:53:57,760
156. Mike.

6294
04:53:57,760 --> 04:53:59,760
>> Yeah. I think I think to your point and

6295
04:53:59,760 --> 04:54:01,440
I'm pretty sure I looked at this at some

6296
04:54:01,440 --> 04:54:03,200
point because we had the same idea. It's

6297
04:54:03,200 --> 04:54:05,200
a good idea. You have a you you're going

6298
04:54:05,200 --> 04:54:06,718
to have a conflict point. I think

6299
04:54:06,718 --> 04:54:08,878
because if it's free if it's free,

6300
04:54:08,878 --> 04:54:12,240
right? Then any somewhere in this zone

6301
04:54:12,240 --> 04:54:14,560
here, if somebody's if somebody's coming

6302
04:54:14,560 --> 04:54:16,798
down through here and this light turns

6303
04:54:16,798 --> 04:54:19,200
and they're not having to stop, which

6304
04:54:19,200 --> 04:54:20,480
would be the whole point of that, I

6305
04:54:20,480 --> 04:54:21,920
think you're going to have a conflict

6306
04:54:21,920 --> 04:54:24,000
here with this guy turning and that guy

6307
04:54:24,000 --> 04:54:25,600
coming through that free lane because we

6308
04:54:25,600 --> 04:54:28,240
don't have dual rights,

6309
04:54:28,240 --> 04:54:31,280
>> I think.

6310
04:54:31,280 --> 04:54:32,080
>> Does that make sense?

6311
04:54:32,080 --> 04:54:32,718
>> I love your idea

6312
04:54:32,718 --> 04:54:34,718
>> because it's it's a good idea if we

6313
04:54:34,718 --> 04:54:36,878
didn't have that other leg coming in.

6314
04:54:36,878 --> 04:54:39,760
Well, could you just make it where you

6315
04:54:39,760 --> 04:54:41,440
can't turn left on schoolhouse road?

6316
04:54:41,440 --> 04:54:43,680
>> I do sometimes, like say I drop

6317
04:54:43,680 --> 04:54:44,878
something off at the post office before

6318
04:54:44,878 --> 04:54:46,480
I go to school and then I'm I'm going to

6319
04:54:46,480 --> 04:54:48,160
want to go left. I have gone left and

6320
04:54:48,160 --> 04:54:49,360
then got on 156.

6321
04:54:49,360 --> 04:54:51,280
>> But once we have a parkway go come

6322
04:54:51,280 --> 04:54:53,040
through.

6323
04:54:53,040 --> 04:54:54,958
>> How how does that make

6324
04:54:54,958 --> 04:54:57,280
>> if it's at grade right there? It would

6325
04:54:57,280 --> 04:54:58,958
give you that opportunity to go turn to

6326
04:54:58,958 --> 04:55:01,200
get to 156 there instead of going there.

6327
04:55:01,200 --> 04:55:01,840
You know,

6328
04:55:01,840 --> 04:55:03,200
>> even if it's not at grade, you would

6329
04:55:03,200 --> 04:55:05,440
still be able to get through.

6330
04:55:05,440 --> 04:55:05,920
Maybe

6331
04:55:05,920 --> 04:55:07,600
>> they can't go left.

6332
04:55:07,600 --> 04:55:08,240
>> So, question.

6333
04:55:08,240 --> 04:55:09,920
>> I'm just trying to figure like

6334
04:55:09,920 --> 04:55:11,360
>> Yeah, sorry. Go ahead.

6335
04:55:11,360 --> 04:55:13,680
>> I'm just brainstorming. Go ahead.

6336
04:55:13,680 --> 04:55:15,920
>> This is one of the problems I

6337
04:55:15,920 --> 04:55:18,080
>> I almost got t-boned right there the

6338
04:55:18,080 --> 04:55:18,560
other day.

6339
04:55:18,560 --> 04:55:20,638
>> Frequently, especially this one being a

6340
04:55:20,638 --> 04:55:22,798
straight turn and then everyone tries to

6341
04:55:22,798 --> 04:55:25,520
like merge together. Why are we keeping

6342
04:55:25,520 --> 04:55:27,120
this a straight lane if we have a

6343
04:55:27,120 --> 04:55:29,040
dedicated straight lane and we

6344
04:55:29,040 --> 04:55:30,718
bottleneck right here? You know what I'm

6345
04:55:30,718 --> 04:55:32,798
asking?

6346
04:55:32,798 --> 04:55:33,680
It's

6347
04:55:33,680 --> 04:55:35,680
>> so make that red only.

6348
04:55:35,680 --> 04:55:37,680
>> I think because they double stack when

6349
04:55:37,680 --> 04:55:39,040
that light's red.

6350
04:55:39,040 --> 04:55:42,240
>> Yeah. And then they try to

6351
04:55:42,240 --> 04:55:43,840
>> just to me it kind of just

6352
04:55:43,840 --> 04:55:45,520
>> just zippers in.

6353
04:55:45,520 --> 04:55:48,160
>> It's it's it's it's a pro. It's

6354
04:55:48,160 --> 04:55:50,080
problematic with the two lights being

6355
04:55:50,080 --> 04:55:50,958
that closed.

6356
04:55:50,958 --> 04:55:52,878
>> Will that area never be a four-lane road

6357
04:55:52,878 --> 04:55:55,200
until the bridge gets widened and so it

6358
04:55:55,200 --> 04:55:56,878
can match what's on the east side of the

6359
04:55:56,878 --> 04:56:01,200
bridge? Well, if we widened 156

6360
04:56:01,200 --> 04:56:02,638
talking about Westport,

6361
04:56:02,638 --> 04:56:05,760
>> I'm saying right there, you know, you're

6362
04:56:05,760 --> 04:56:08,000
right here, your two lanes and your one

6363
04:56:08,000 --> 04:56:09,840
lane here. Will this ever be will this

6364
04:56:09,840 --> 04:56:11,440
never be a four lane road until the

6365
04:56:11,440 --> 04:56:13,520
bridge gets widened and then it'll cuz

6366
04:56:13,520 --> 04:56:15,840
on the side of the bridge

6367
04:56:15,840 --> 04:56:18,958
>> it's four lanes with a median, you know?

6368
04:56:18,958 --> 04:56:20,638
So, that'd be nice if that would all

6369
04:56:20,638 --> 04:56:21,920
kind of

6370
04:56:21,920 --> 04:56:23,840
>> come all the way to 156 like that. Yeah,

6371
04:56:23,840 --> 04:56:26,160
it's the your limiting your limitation

6372
04:56:26,160 --> 04:56:27,280
is the bridge.

6373
04:56:27,280 --> 04:56:28,160
>> Okay, how about this?

6374
04:56:28,160 --> 04:56:30,000
>> Get that three lanes there.

6375
04:56:30,000 --> 04:56:31,680
>> You make it where the right hand lane

6376
04:56:31,680 --> 04:56:35,040
can bypass the first light.

6377
04:56:35,040 --> 04:56:38,240
It has like a green arrow

6378
04:56:38,240 --> 04:56:39,840
except for when the schoolhouse road

6379
04:56:39,840 --> 04:56:41,920
left happens and then it just goes red

6380
04:56:41,920 --> 04:56:44,000
for a second and let Schoolhouse Road

6381
04:56:44,000 --> 04:56:46,080
turn left and then they can move into

6382
04:56:46,080 --> 04:56:48,000
the right lane and not have not have

6383
04:56:48,000 --> 04:56:50,400
traffic coming. And then except for the

6384
04:56:50,400 --> 04:56:52,878
one moment that that's going left, you

6385
04:56:52,878 --> 04:56:54,878
leave that green arrow straight on the

6386
04:56:54,878 --> 04:56:56,718
right hand lane and then you don't have

6387
04:56:56,718 --> 04:56:57,360
the conflict.

6388
04:56:57,360 --> 04:56:58,798
>> So you have the red light with the green

6389
04:56:58,798 --> 04:57:00,400
arrow which indicates you don't have to

6390
04:57:00,400 --> 04:57:00,878
stop,

6391
04:57:00,878 --> 04:57:01,280
>> right?

6392
04:57:01,280 --> 04:57:03,920
>> And you have the green arrow disappear

6393
04:57:03,920 --> 04:57:06,080
>> when Schoolhouse Road is turning left.

6394
04:57:06,080 --> 04:57:07,520
>> I mean, yeah, that would probably

6395
04:57:07,520 --> 04:57:09,520
require some signal head modifications

6396
04:57:09,520 --> 04:57:11,840
and stuff, but we could we could look

6397
04:57:11,840 --> 04:57:12,400
into that.

6398
04:57:12,400 --> 04:57:13,920
>> But then the right hand lane can go

6399
04:57:13,920 --> 04:57:15,840
constantly except for when schoolhouse

6400
04:57:15,840 --> 04:57:17,280
turns. Chris,

6401
04:57:17,280 --> 04:57:19,040
>> I know there's a lot of ideas floating

6402
04:57:19,040 --> 04:57:21,120
around here, but I need to bring us

6403
04:57:21,120 --> 04:57:23,200
back. This meeting is about budget, not

6404
04:57:23,200 --> 04:57:24,718
road design. Thank you.

6405
04:57:24,718 --> 04:57:25,360
>> I I

6406
04:57:25,360 --> 04:57:27,040
>> So, let's let's come back to the budget.

6407
04:57:27,040 --> 04:57:28,320
>> Mayor, really quick, just a reminder

6408
04:57:28,320 --> 04:57:30,240
that we have like 13 minutes left with

6409
04:57:30,240 --> 04:57:32,878
Mr. Anderson. So, anything we need?

6410
04:57:32,878 --> 04:57:34,560
>> Yeah. And I can I can stay a few minutes

6411
04:57:34,560 --> 04:57:35,840
longer if needed, but I think we're

6412
04:57:35,840 --> 04:57:36,560
getting pretty close here.

6413
04:57:36,560 --> 04:57:37,200
>> You got to focus.

6414
04:57:37,200 --> 04:57:39,840
>> Good. So, we can understood all the

6415
04:57:39,840 --> 04:57:42,080
points here. If we can just get this

6416
04:57:42,080 --> 04:57:43,920
going and constructed, then we can talk

6417
04:57:43,920 --> 04:57:45,760
about and look into those other options.

6418
04:57:45,760 --> 04:57:47,200
I I understand.

6419
04:57:47,200 --> 04:57:48,400
>> It's in the budget,

6420
04:57:48,400 --> 04:57:48,878
>> right?

6421
04:57:48,878 --> 04:57:50,400
>> Yeah.

6422
04:57:50,400 --> 04:57:51,920
>> Do we need to add more money for what

6423
04:57:51,920 --> 04:57:53,200
Chris might be talking about putting a

6424
04:57:53,200 --> 04:57:55,120
median, put a concrete curve, do we need

6425
04:57:55,120 --> 04:57:56,718
to add more money for that or is that uh

6426
04:57:56,718 --> 04:57:57,200
we good?

6427
04:57:57,200 --> 04:57:58,718
>> I think let's just let's get it built

6428
04:57:58,718 --> 04:58:00,480
and then by the time that all gets

6429
04:58:00,480 --> 04:58:02,080
built, it'll we'll be already into the

6430
04:58:02,080 --> 04:58:03,440
next budget.

6431
04:58:03,440 --> 04:58:03,920
>> Okay.

6432
04:58:03,920 --> 04:58:05,600
>> Cuz the county guys can't do that work

6433
04:58:05,600 --> 04:58:07,200
anyway. And that's who we've got right

6434
04:58:07,200 --> 04:58:12,160
now doing all this right here. Yes, sir.

6435
04:58:12,160 --> 04:58:13,840
>> Okay. Bluebound Road. We put a little

6436
04:58:13,840 --> 04:58:15,920
bit of money in there just in the off

6437
04:58:15,920 --> 04:58:18,718
chance that that bridge

6438
04:58:18,718 --> 04:58:19,360
>> gets funed.

6439
04:58:19,360 --> 04:58:21,360
>> I do not have that in.

6440
04:58:21,360 --> 04:58:24,080
>> Yeah. So, I've I've added it the 10,000.

6441
04:58:24,080 --> 04:58:26,878
>> Yes, ma'am. Just I don't I don't I

6442
04:58:26,878 --> 04:58:28,160
haven't heard anything about that

6443
04:58:28,160 --> 04:58:29,840
project at all. The the

6444
04:58:29,840 --> 04:58:33,440
>> I haven't I called uh county not that

6445
04:58:33,440 --> 04:58:35,280
long ago and they haven't gotten any

6446
04:58:35,280 --> 04:58:38,560
word. Uh, they probably won't know

6447
04:58:38,560 --> 04:58:40,240
anything

6448
04:58:40,240 --> 04:58:42,480
probably until November, December time

6449
04:58:42,480 --> 04:58:44,080
frame,

6450
04:58:44,080 --> 04:58:46,480
>> election time.

6451
04:58:46,480 --> 04:59:03,590
>> Yes. $10,000.

6452
04:59:03,600 --> 04:59:05,120
And that would be one of those that we

6453
04:59:05,120 --> 04:59:08,400
would expect to be a reimbursement too

6454
04:59:08,400 --> 04:59:12,400
if the project becomes real.

6455
04:59:12,400 --> 04:59:16,400
Okay, roads. Everybody's good

6456
04:59:16,400 --> 04:59:18,240
till you see the bottom line. But I'll

6457
04:59:18,240 --> 04:59:21,120
be gone. So,

6458
04:59:21,120 --> 04:59:23,840
>> okay.

6459
04:59:23,840 --> 04:59:26,560
your first

6460
04:59:26,560 --> 04:59:28,000
>> do we want to talk about that right now

6461
04:59:28,000 --> 04:59:29,680
before we go into facilities or just go

6462
04:59:29,680 --> 04:59:31,600
into facilities?

6463
04:59:31,600 --> 04:59:33,120
>> Excuse me. What's that?

6464
04:59:33,120 --> 04:59:35,440
>> She was asking me if if I would give my

6465
04:59:35,440 --> 04:59:37,120
recommendation on the roadway

6466
04:59:37,120 --> 04:59:39,440
improvements as far as a priority list

6467
04:59:39,440 --> 04:59:42,080
before I leave and I asked if that

6468
04:59:42,080 --> 04:59:43,440
needed to happen now or if we want to

6469
04:59:43,440 --> 04:59:43,840
get

6470
04:59:43,840 --> 04:59:45,520
>> what we just covered.

6471
04:59:45,520 --> 04:59:46,080
>> Yes, sir.

6472
04:59:46,080 --> 04:59:47,120
>> Just your top three.

6473
04:59:47,120 --> 04:59:47,840
>> Top three.

6474
04:59:47,840 --> 04:59:51,120
>> Okay. So, your uh one through 15 isn't a

6475
04:59:51,120 --> 04:59:55,190
priority.

6476
04:59:55,200 --> 04:59:58,080
I'm asking first let me ask that that's

6477
04:59:58,080 --> 05:00:01,920
you know 1 through 15 numerical rating

6478
05:00:01,920 --> 05:00:03,600
is that that's not priority

6479
05:00:03,600 --> 05:00:05,600
>> I mean that's

6480
05:00:05,600 --> 05:00:07,040
not exactly

6481
05:00:07,040 --> 05:00:08,560
>> okay well go ahead and please give your

6482
05:00:08,560 --> 05:00:09,520
priority

6483
05:00:09,520 --> 05:00:10,480
>> so let me make sure

6484
05:00:10,480 --> 05:00:13,120
>> I I would like to involve James Tucker

6485
05:00:13,120 --> 05:00:15,680
in that conversation too his is purely

6486
05:00:15,680 --> 05:00:18,080
from engineering

6487
05:00:18,080 --> 05:00:20,160
>> James Tucker has a viewpoint as well

6488
05:00:20,160 --> 05:00:21,600
>> James is going to be here he's just

6489
05:00:21,600 --> 05:00:22,000
receing.

6490
05:00:22,000 --> 05:00:24,560
>> Is this the top three you'd cut first or

6491
05:00:24,560 --> 05:00:25,840
the highest part?

6492
05:00:25,840 --> 05:00:28,320
>> Top three cut if you had to

6493
05:00:28,320 --> 05:00:31,120
>> the the uh

6494
05:00:31,120 --> 05:00:31,440
um

6495
05:00:31,440 --> 05:00:32,958
>> or amounts if you'd rather do that.

6496
05:00:32,958 --> 05:00:36,708
>> Oh my gosh.

6497
05:00:36,718 --> 05:00:38,000
» Okay.

6498
05:00:38,000 --> 05:00:40,240
>> I think the I think sliding the Hassel

6499
05:00:40,240 --> 05:00:43,600
Park Street design makes sense.

6500
05:00:43,600 --> 05:00:46,240
>> I think the interotal phase two sliding

6501
05:00:46,240 --> 05:00:48,798
that out makes sense.

6502
05:00:48,798 --> 05:00:51,280
Um,

6503
05:00:51,280 --> 05:00:52,878
>> there's no phase two. Are you saying the

6504
05:00:52,878 --> 05:00:55,440
phase one interotal?

6505
05:00:55,440 --> 05:00:57,040
>> Well, there was some discussion I

6506
05:00:57,040 --> 05:00:58,638
thought about potentially moving into

6507
05:00:58,638 --> 05:01:00,400
design on phase two and I don't

6508
05:01:00,400 --> 05:01:01,920
>> No, we didn't. We did not budget any for

6509
05:01:01,920 --> 05:01:03,760
it. It's just the 1.1 you have. So,

6510
05:01:03,760 --> 05:01:05,760
would you take some out of the 1.1?

6511
05:01:05,760 --> 05:01:07,440
>> No, because that's going to be necessary

6512
05:01:07,440 --> 05:01:09,040
to build phase one if we get the

6513
05:01:09,040 --> 05:01:09,840
rideway.

6514
05:01:09,840 --> 05:01:12,560
>> Pick again.

6515
05:01:12,560 --> 05:01:14,400
>> Uh,

6516
05:01:14,400 --> 05:01:18,240
the uh Careway improvements. I I

6517
05:01:18,240 --> 05:01:19,120
>> That's not on here.

6518
05:01:19,120 --> 05:01:20,320
>> I would slide those.

6519
05:01:20,320 --> 05:01:21,680
>> That's not on here. It's on.

6520
05:01:21,680 --> 05:01:24,000
>> That' be a fun 2020.

6521
05:01:24,000 --> 05:01:25,760
>> Pick again. [laughter]

6522
05:01:25,760 --> 05:01:28,400
>> Pick again.

6523
05:01:28,400 --> 05:01:29,120
>> Um,

6524
05:01:29,120 --> 05:01:38,788
>> pick again.

6525
05:01:38,798 --> 05:01:39,920
» I think the I think

6526
05:01:39,920 --> 05:01:40,798
>> I think that's our answer.

6527
05:01:40,798 --> 05:01:42,320
>> I think the top five are pretty

6528
05:01:42,320 --> 05:01:44,080
important.

6529
05:01:44,080 --> 05:01:46,480
>> Okay. So really you think everything

6530
05:01:46,480 --> 05:01:48,958
except for SD8 really needs to stay.

6531
05:01:48,958 --> 05:01:54,868
Understood.

6532
05:01:54,878 --> 05:02:01,920
» Okay.

6533
05:02:01,920 --> 05:02:04,080
>> So that I get that right. You the top

6534
05:02:04,080 --> 05:02:06,958
five that you have now you said are the

6535
05:02:06,958 --> 05:02:08,000
top five.

6536
05:02:08,000 --> 05:02:08,798
>> Yes sir.

6537
05:02:08,798 --> 05:02:12,638
>> And for this for that 26 27 budget year.

6538
05:02:12,638 --> 05:02:13,200
>> Yes sir.

6539
05:02:13,200 --> 05:02:15,200
>> All right.

6540
05:02:15,200 --> 05:02:19,760
Okay. Uh, facilities. Facilities is just

6541
05:02:19,760 --> 05:02:22,240
catchall. This is not intended to be an

6542
05:02:22,240 --> 05:02:23,760
all-inclusive. These are just things

6543
05:02:23,760 --> 05:02:27,840
that we've picked up um as being

6544
05:02:27,840 --> 05:02:30,258
potential projects or desired

6545
05:02:30,258 --> 05:02:32,160
[clears throat] projects over the years.

6546
05:02:32,160 --> 05:02:35,760
So, start with that. Um,

6547
05:02:35,760 --> 05:02:38,480
community park, that was the uh

6548
05:02:38,480 --> 05:02:40,958
underground service. So that's the

6549
05:02:40,958 --> 05:02:43,600
service service line or the service

6550
05:02:43,600 --> 05:02:48,400
upgrade and then the uh circuitry

6551
05:02:48,400 --> 05:02:52,000
I guess for Christmas and

6552
05:02:52,000 --> 05:02:54,480
uh food trucks and all the things right

6553
05:02:54,480 --> 05:02:56,320
around the

6554
05:02:56,320 --> 05:02:58,240
um

6555
05:02:58,240 --> 05:02:59,840
around the pavilion area. I guess it

6556
05:02:59,840 --> 05:03:03,430
would be

6557
05:03:03,440 --> 05:03:04,958
» uh

6558
05:03:04,958 --> 05:03:08,000
well we had there was 210 but that was

6559
05:03:08,000 --> 05:03:09,920
thrown out I guess for next year. I I

6560
05:03:09,920 --> 05:03:14,320
mean it's a lot of these things it's what's your pleasure as far as when

6561
05:03:14,320 --> 05:03:15,440
do you guys want to get these

6562
05:03:15,440 --> 05:03:18,000
accomplished

6563
05:03:18,000 --> 05:03:19,600
that was kind of those that was one of

6564
05:03:19,600 --> 05:03:20,320
those

6565
05:03:20,320 --> 05:03:22,958
>> is it in your budget already?

6566
05:03:22,958 --> 05:03:24,400
>> Sorry.

6567
05:03:24,400 --> 05:03:26,400
>> So I don't think so. The uh the lighting

6568
05:03:26,400 --> 05:03:28,320
stuff for the park was in a threephase

6569
05:03:28,320 --> 05:03:29,920
approach to it was an upgrade to the

6570
05:03:29,920 --> 05:03:32,798
service that was a uh in around the

6571
05:03:32,798 --> 05:03:35,040
inner circle for power and then trail

6572
05:03:35,040 --> 05:03:36,638
lighting. That was all three versions of

6573
05:03:36,638 --> 05:03:39,360
it and I don't see it in here. Yeah. On

6574
05:03:39,360 --> 05:03:41,600
the on Mr. Anderson's, it's not till

6575
05:03:41,600 --> 05:03:44,240
next year that he's got 210 in there.

6576
05:03:44,240 --> 05:03:46,240
>> It's It's in fun 15.

6577
05:03:46,240 --> 05:03:48,400
>> It's in fun.

6578
05:03:48,400 --> 05:03:51,360
Yeah. For 210,000.

6579
05:03:51,360 --> 05:03:53,440
>> Yeah. 210. UG electric lighting and

6580
05:03:53,440 --> 05:03:55,120
receptacles. Yeah.

6581
05:03:55,120 --> 05:03:56,560
>> Page 268.

6582
05:03:56,560 --> 05:03:59,200
>> But the 125 for community park fencing,

6583
05:03:59,200 --> 05:04:00,958
I don't believe, is anywhere. So,

6584
05:04:00,958 --> 05:04:03,120
>> Mr. Anderson, you can move that 210 up

6585
05:04:03,120 --> 05:04:06,480
to this year there on your sheet.

6586
05:04:06,480 --> 05:04:08,560
Well, maybe.

6587
05:04:08,560 --> 05:04:09,920
>> No, it's not part of the general fund.

6588
05:04:09,920 --> 05:04:11,120
It's part of the fund 15.

6589
05:04:11,120 --> 05:04:12,798
>> Oh, is it? Okay. So, we move that

6590
05:04:12,798 --> 05:04:13,360
forward.

6591
05:04:13,360 --> 05:04:13,600
>> Yeah.

6592
05:04:13,600 --> 05:04:17,830
>> And that's on 268.

6593
05:04:17,840 --> 05:04:20,160
» 265.

6594
05:04:20,160 --> 05:04:21,280
>> Yeah, it's on both.

6595
05:04:21,280 --> 05:04:23,440
>> 265. So, can

6596
05:04:23,440 --> 05:04:25,040
>> can you also put that note right there

6597
05:04:25,040 --> 05:04:27,440
for F1?

6598
05:04:27,440 --> 05:04:31,350
>> I think it's

6599
05:04:31,360 --> 05:04:35,590
F1B.

6600
05:04:35,600 --> 05:04:38,798
Oh yeah, F1A.

6601
05:04:38,798 --> 05:04:40,958
And then where is F1B located? You guys

6602
05:04:40,958 --> 05:04:42,400
were just talking about that one, too.

6603
05:04:42,400 --> 05:04:43,040
>> You said it's not

6604
05:04:43,040 --> 05:04:44,320
>> She said it's not in there.

6605
05:04:44,320 --> 05:04:46,718
>> Okay.

6606
05:04:46,718 --> 05:04:48,320
>> Could we add it to fun 15?

6607
05:04:48,320 --> 05:04:50,080
>> How critical is the fencing, though?

6608
05:04:50,080 --> 05:04:51,760
>> Is that the This is This is a question I

6609
05:04:51,760 --> 05:04:53,360
asked the other day. It's not It's not

6610
05:04:53,360 --> 05:04:54,798
new fencing. It's all the replacement

6611
05:04:54,798 --> 05:04:55,680
fencing.

6612
05:04:55,680 --> 05:04:58,400
>> So, the fencing project here is the I

6613
05:04:58,400 --> 05:04:59,840
guess the kind of the north property

6614
05:04:59,840 --> 05:05:02,240
line there. And as far as we haven't had

6615
05:05:02,240 --> 05:05:04,000
it ever, I just I think it's important

6616
05:05:04,000 --> 05:05:05,920
that we kind of define the edge of the

6617
05:05:05,920 --> 05:05:07,040
park there.

6618
05:05:07,040 --> 05:05:08,080
>> Away from the church.

6619
05:05:08,080 --> 05:05:08,320
>> Yeah.

6620
05:05:08,320 --> 05:05:09,600
Church property.

6621
05:05:09,600 --> 05:05:12,240
>> People are kind of trespassing on other

6622
05:05:12,240 --> 05:05:14,798
property quite often and we like to kind

6623
05:05:14,798 --> 05:05:16,480
of define that so they understand, you

6624
05:05:16,480 --> 05:05:18,320
know, where the park property begins and

6625
05:05:18,320 --> 05:05:19,760
ends and keeps them off of church

6626
05:05:19,760 --> 05:05:20,240
property.

6627
05:05:20,240 --> 05:05:21,920
>> Have you talked to the church?

6628
05:05:21,920 --> 05:05:23,440
>> Not directly about and they have never

6629
05:05:23,440 --> 05:05:25,840
complained either. This is just I see

6630
05:05:25,840 --> 05:05:26,320
too often.

6631
05:05:26,320 --> 05:05:27,920
>> Yeah, a few times. curious if they would

6632
05:05:27,920 --> 05:05:29,360
be they would really like this as well

6633
05:05:29,360 --> 05:05:30,878
or if they would be like no we like that

6634
05:05:30,878 --> 05:05:32,480
it's open and I don't know

6635
05:05:32,480 --> 05:05:34,080
>> I have not reached out to the church for

6636
05:05:34,080 --> 05:05:36,958
it like I said we haven't had a lot of

6637
05:05:36,958 --> 05:05:39,200
interaction there positive or negative I

6638
05:05:39,200 --> 05:05:42,000
just often see people utilizing the park

6639
05:05:42,000 --> 05:05:45,120
and crossing over their property I just

6640
05:05:45,120 --> 05:05:45,840
>> think it made sense

6641
05:05:45,840 --> 05:05:47,760
>> destroyed what you're talking I have

6642
05:05:47,760 --> 05:05:51,360
never seen anybody coming

6643
05:05:51,360 --> 05:05:54,718
from our park driving to the church I've

6644
05:05:54,718 --> 05:05:55,680
never seen it

6645
05:05:55,680 --> 05:05:58,000
>> so it's more Are there anybody from the

6646
05:05:58,000 --> 05:06:00,560
church driving into our park?

6647
05:06:00,560 --> 05:06:02,718
>> Spec specifically during events. People

6648
05:06:02,718 --> 05:06:04,080
drive straight through the parking lot

6649
05:06:04,080 --> 05:06:07,040
of the church and into the park in that

6650
05:06:07,040 --> 05:06:08,560
area. They park all along where that

6651
05:06:08,560 --> 05:06:10,718
cross is and they assume it's open

6652
05:06:10,718 --> 05:06:12,878
property. They also I mean they just

6653
05:06:12,878 --> 05:06:15,760
park in that as an open field. And so

6654
05:06:15,760 --> 05:06:17,360
that is what we're trying to keep from.

6655
05:06:17,360 --> 05:06:19,920
Also, it appears that we own more than

6656
05:06:19,920 --> 05:06:21,840
we do there just because the way that

6657
05:06:21,840 --> 05:06:23,840
line is that you would assume it's a

6658
05:06:23,840 --> 05:06:26,958
straighter line and uh even city

6659
05:06:26,958 --> 05:06:28,718
activities, we accidentally blur that

6660
05:06:28,718 --> 05:06:30,878
line occasionally because we forget how

6661
05:06:30,878 --> 05:06:33,200
close that really is. So that

6662
05:06:33,200 --> 05:06:37,680
>> so that only occurs at these

6663
05:06:37,680 --> 05:06:39,120
large events that we hold

6664
05:06:39,120 --> 05:06:41,520
>> or Sunday night volleyball Sunday

6665
05:06:41,520 --> 05:06:44,320
volleyball occurs all the time. That's

6666
05:06:44,320 --> 05:06:45,280
>> I didn't realize we had that much

6667
05:06:45,280 --> 05:06:46,878
property. That's awesome. But that's

6668
05:06:46,878 --> 05:06:47,600
ours

6669
05:06:47,600 --> 05:06:49,440
>> on national night out like the 4th of

6670
05:06:49,440 --> 05:06:51,360
July or like a big event

6671
05:06:51,360 --> 05:06:52,958
>> around right there where that is.

6672
05:06:52,958 --> 05:06:55,280
There'll be people parked all up north

6673
05:06:55,280 --> 05:06:58,080
of that new fence all up in there and

6674
05:06:58,080 --> 05:06:59,280
there's people parked on both sides of

6675
05:06:59,280 --> 05:07:01,120
the road and up in there. So that's

6676
05:07:01,120 --> 05:07:02,958
reason why we're uh you know wanted to

6677
05:07:02,958 --> 05:07:04,080
put that there.

6678
05:07:04,080 --> 05:07:06,240
>> Park cars for the for volleyball. They

6679
05:07:06,240 --> 05:07:08,240
use the headlights for it. So they

6680
05:07:08,240 --> 05:07:11,280
access the park using this as an as

6681
05:07:11,280 --> 05:07:12,798
entrance. We had this blocked off. It

6682
05:07:12,798 --> 05:07:14,000
would keep people from driving into

6683
05:07:14,000 --> 05:07:15,120
places they weren't supposed to.

6684
05:07:15,120 --> 05:07:17,680
>> So you would take fence across the

6685
05:07:17,680 --> 05:07:20,958
property and up to the street

6686
05:07:20,958 --> 05:07:22,878
>> and you would stop at the street.

6687
05:07:22,878 --> 05:07:23,360
>> Correct.

6688
05:07:23,360 --> 05:07:24,080
>> Yes.

6689
05:07:24,080 --> 05:07:25,840
>> What's that going to stop? That's not

6690
05:07:25,840 --> 05:07:27,920
going to stop any of that.

6691
05:07:27,920 --> 05:07:29,440
>> I would think it would.

6692
05:07:29,440 --> 05:07:30,560
>> How does it stop?

6693
05:07:30,560 --> 05:07:32,400
>> They can't drive through the fence.

6694
05:07:32,400 --> 05:07:33,840
but

6695
05:07:33,840 --> 05:07:36,320
they can still drive up into that part.

6696
05:07:36,320 --> 05:07:38,160
I mean, to the church property and point

6697
05:07:38,160 --> 05:07:40,240
their lights at the sand body. Well, I

6698
05:07:40,240 --> 05:07:43,520
think I think they can also park pull up

6699
05:07:43,520 --> 05:07:45,600
into on this city [clears throat] side

6700
05:07:45,600 --> 05:07:47,920
of the fence and park in that little

6701
05:07:47,920 --> 05:07:49,920
triangle area and point their headlights

6702
05:07:49,920 --> 05:07:51,200
on the sand volleyball.

6703
05:07:51,200 --> 05:07:52,000
>> Well, there's a drain.

6704
05:07:52,000 --> 05:07:54,718
>> So, my question is a big

6705
05:07:54,718 --> 05:07:57,120
>> I don't see that the design doesn't stop

6706
05:07:57,120 --> 05:07:58,000
that.

6707
05:07:58,000 --> 05:07:58,878
>> There's a big drain.

6708
05:07:58,878 --> 05:08:00,878
>> It forces someone to intentionally make

6709
05:08:00,878 --> 05:08:03,200
the decision to leave the the park

6710
05:08:03,200 --> 05:08:04,798
property and go onto the church

6711
05:08:04,798 --> 05:08:06,160
property. Right now, there could be

6712
05:08:06,160 --> 05:08:08,400
confusion. A fence really clears up that

6713
05:08:08,400 --> 05:08:10,560
confusion. Don't cross this line.

6714
05:08:10,560 --> 05:08:11,920
>> James,

6715
05:08:11,920 --> 05:08:13,840
>> what? So, currently, right now, there's

6716
05:08:13,840 --> 05:08:15,840
no lights on the volleyball court.

6717
05:08:15,840 --> 05:08:18,400
>> There are two lights that are solar ped.

6718
05:08:18,400 --> 05:08:20,320
Most of those lights are beyond their

6719
05:08:20,320 --> 05:08:22,718
lifespan of starting to fail. And the

6720
05:08:22,718 --> 05:08:25,520
original cost to those is the same cost,

6721
05:08:25,520 --> 05:08:27,680
like there's not a maintenance of it.

6722
05:08:27,680 --> 05:08:30,160
You either reby it all again at roughly

6723
05:08:30,160 --> 05:08:32,000
$1,000 a light. So, we haven't done any

6724
05:08:32,000 --> 05:08:33,760
maintenance. The long-term plan, which

6725
05:08:33,760 --> 05:08:35,520
is the lighting and the plugs and the

6726
05:08:35,520 --> 05:08:39,600
power, is to address that. Uh, but yes,

6727
05:08:39,600 --> 05:08:41,520
there is two solar power lights. I'm not

6728
05:08:41,520 --> 05:08:43,040
sure if they're currently working, but

6729
05:08:43,040 --> 05:08:44,638
chances are if they are, they're not

6730
05:08:44,638 --> 05:08:46,240
long lived. So,

6731
05:08:46,240 --> 05:08:47,920
>> would it be better to would it be better

6732
05:08:47,920 --> 05:08:50,160
to get some decent lights there now and

6733
05:08:50,160 --> 05:08:52,320
to not put the fence or do we'd rather

6734
05:08:52,320 --> 05:08:54,000
put the fence and not do the lights?

6735
05:08:54,000 --> 05:08:57,040
>> I mean, I think the fence is a is is

6736
05:08:57,040 --> 05:08:59,040
good to have regardless of the light

6737
05:08:59,040 --> 05:09:00,560
need. I think people would also like to

6738
05:09:00,560 --> 05:09:02,160
have lights for the volleyball.

6739
05:09:02,160 --> 05:09:05,120
>> Yes. Uh, I just think having a way to to

6740
05:09:05,120 --> 05:09:07,200
define our property so that there is

6741
05:09:07,200 --> 05:09:09,840
nobody in unintentionally I you can't

6742
05:09:09,840 --> 05:09:11,600
stop if people intentionally trespass,

6743
05:09:11,600 --> 05:09:14,320
but we just feel like it it makes sense

6744
05:09:14,320 --> 05:09:17,360
to to defi define that the same way we

6745
05:09:17,360 --> 05:09:18,718
did on 156.

6746
05:09:18,718 --> 05:09:23,680
>> And I I think a conversation with the church might be a first step. I

6747
05:09:23,680 --> 05:09:25,120
know sometimes in the past they've had

6748
05:09:25,120 --> 05:09:26,878
people park there for events and charged

6749
05:09:26,878 --> 05:09:29,360
or did volunteer and then I don't know

6750
05:09:29,360 --> 05:09:32,160
just to see what they had to say. But I

6751
05:09:32,160 --> 05:09:34,160
like the fence 156. I think it does

6752
05:09:34,160 --> 05:09:35,840
designate that area. It looks really

6753
05:09:35,840 --> 05:09:36,160
nice.

6754
05:09:36,160 --> 05:09:37,440
>> And we were having lots of people that

6755
05:09:37,440 --> 05:09:39,120
would drive in there and park on the

6756
05:09:39,120 --> 05:09:40,958
weekends and you can't really control

6757
05:09:40,958 --> 05:09:43,360
access and what they're doing. So that's

6758
05:09:43,360 --> 05:09:45,520
that was our entire intention here. And

6759
05:09:45,520 --> 05:09:48,240
specifically, this is never where the

6760
05:09:48,240 --> 05:09:50,400
average person thinks our property line

6761
05:09:50,400 --> 05:09:52,638
is. So I think they unintentionally

6762
05:09:52,638 --> 05:09:54,878
parked there. The across the street that

6763
05:09:54,878 --> 05:09:56,560
parking lot that's there where the

6764
05:09:56,560 --> 05:09:58,320
Sweeny's property is, people park there

6765
05:09:58,320 --> 05:10:00,400
assuming it is part of the park. Yes.

6766
05:10:00,400 --> 05:10:01,840
>> You know, and we're not we can't really

6767
05:10:01,840 --> 05:10:03,600
police everything. I just know people

6768
05:10:03,600 --> 05:10:05,360
just think a lot of this area is city

6769
05:10:05,360 --> 05:10:07,520
park and we wanted to define that.

6770
05:10:07,520 --> 05:10:09,840
>> In the meantime, can we just call 811,

6771
05:10:09,840 --> 05:10:11,680
slam some stakes in the ground, and put

6772
05:10:11,680 --> 05:10:14,000
up some like caution tape at least for

6773
05:10:14,000 --> 05:10:16,638
the larger events?

6774
05:10:16,638 --> 05:10:18,958
>> We a lot of times we do put up cones and

6775
05:10:18,958 --> 05:10:21,760
things like that. Uh we can try to do

6776
05:10:21,760 --> 05:10:23,840
something like that.

6777
05:10:23,840 --> 05:10:27,120
I know in advance I mean we have checked

6778
05:10:27,120 --> 05:10:29,280
with that church if we can let people

6779
05:10:29,280 --> 05:10:32,798
park over there. They said fine

6780
05:10:32,798 --> 05:10:35,680
>> not an issue with them. No that's the

6781
05:10:35,680 --> 05:10:38,000
parking.

6782
05:10:38,000 --> 05:10:39,760
No I can do that.

6783
05:10:39,760 --> 05:10:42,240
>> So yeah it is a very important talk to

6784
05:10:42,240 --> 05:10:44,000
that church. You know they might not

6785
05:10:44,000 --> 05:10:44,638
want that.

6786
05:10:44,638 --> 05:10:46,400
>> So I like the open.

6787
05:10:46,400 --> 05:10:50,638
>> So the 125,000 is what is the cost

6788
05:10:50,638 --> 05:10:54,400
estimate for that? acquire the property.

6789
05:10:54,400 --> 05:10:58,080
>> That's to acquire the property. And

6790
05:10:58,080 --> 05:11:02,868
>> so

6791
05:11:02,878 --> 05:11:04,240
if you buy the property, if you don't

6792
05:11:04,240 --> 05:11:05,600
buy the property, you just bring the

6793
05:11:05,600 --> 05:11:06,400
fence down.

6794
05:11:06,400 --> 05:11:06,878
>> Yeah.

6795
05:11:06,878 --> 05:11:07,840
>> To follow the Okay.

6796
05:11:07,840 --> 05:11:10,160
>> That lower the very lower corner is the

6797
05:11:10,160 --> 05:11:11,920
actual property line now.

6798
05:11:11,920 --> 05:11:13,520
>> And we wanted to encompass the drainage

6799
05:11:13,520 --> 05:11:14,400
structure.

6800
05:11:14,400 --> 05:11:18,550
>> Yeah.

6801
05:11:18,560 --> 05:11:29,430
» See how that's kind of weird.

6802
05:11:29,440 --> 05:11:31,280
Um, so we have to decide whether we want

6803
05:11:31,280 --> 05:11:32,718
to put that in the budget, we want to

6804
05:11:32,718 --> 05:11:34,320
leave it out and push back a year, we

6805
05:11:34,320 --> 05:11:36,240
want to put it in fund 15, we want to

6806
05:11:36,240 --> 05:11:37,680
put in general. What are our options

6807
05:11:37,680 --> 05:11:40,160
here? Well, um I'm just going to point

6808
05:11:40,160 --> 05:11:43,360
out on page 265

6809
05:11:43,360 --> 05:11:46,798
for fund 15, um when we talked about

6810
05:11:46,798 --> 05:11:50,080
putting in the 210, I recommended that

6811
05:11:50,080 --> 05:11:52,320
we wait to see how our revenues come in

6812
05:11:52,320 --> 05:11:54,000
because if you'll see the beginning

6813
05:11:54,000 --> 05:11:58,160
balance in that fund is only 72,832.

6814
05:11:58,160 --> 05:12:00,560
So, um

6815
05:12:00,560 --> 05:12:02,878
we don't have the money projected for

6816
05:12:02,878 --> 05:12:04,560
this pro for this project you're

6817
05:12:04,560 --> 05:12:07,040
discussing now to come out of fund 15.

6818
05:12:07,040 --> 05:12:08,560
So, it would need to come out of the

6819
05:12:08,560 --> 05:12:11,040
general fund or

6820
05:12:11,040 --> 05:12:15,760
be a wait and see. Um, in fund 15,

6821
05:12:15,760 --> 05:12:17,200
>> it could be another one of those

6822
05:12:17,200 --> 05:12:18,958
projects. You go ahead and include it

6823
05:12:18,958 --> 05:12:21,120
now and at the end of the day determine

6824
05:12:21,120 --> 05:12:23,680
we've got to cut it or not.

6825
05:12:23,680 --> 05:12:25,280
>> I don't think it's worth putting in the

6826
05:12:25,280 --> 05:12:26,718
general fund at this moment.

6827
05:12:26,718 --> 05:12:27,600
>> I agree.

6828
05:12:27,600 --> 05:12:30,320
>> Sorry.

6829
05:12:30,320 --> 05:12:31,840
Don't you agree?

6830
05:12:31,840 --> 05:12:34,000
>> She agreed. The the the men haven't.

6831
05:12:34,000 --> 05:12:35,920
that this maybe needs to be one like

6832
05:12:35,920 --> 05:12:36,878
next year.

6833
05:12:36,878 --> 05:12:38,958
>> It's something to keep it on.

6834
05:12:38,958 --> 05:12:40,718
>> I Chris, gentlemen, what do y'all think?

6835
05:12:40,718 --> 05:12:42,240
>> I would not put in the budget this year.

6836
05:12:42,240 --> 05:12:42,718
>> Okay,

6837
05:12:42,718 --> 05:12:44,798
>> James, the the money that you have in

6838
05:12:44,798 --> 05:12:46,400
there for the electrical, does that

6839
05:12:46,400 --> 05:12:48,718
include lights for the volleyball court?

6840
05:12:48,718 --> 05:12:49,600
>> It did not.

6841
05:12:49,600 --> 05:12:52,080
>> Did not. Okay. Thank you.

6842
05:12:52,080 --> 05:12:53,440
>> So, that's something that the parks

6843
05:12:53,440 --> 05:12:55,280
board could be directed to. Yep.

6844
05:12:55,280 --> 05:12:56,160
>> Put on the

6845
05:12:56,160 --> 05:12:57,040
>> I'm going to try to go through the

6846
05:12:57,040 --> 05:12:58,958
correct process. I want you to take this

6847
05:12:58,958 --> 05:13:01,920
120, add it to the lighting project,

6848
05:13:01,920 --> 05:13:04,798
include lights for the volleyball court.

6849
05:13:04,798 --> 05:13:06,000
>> We're not going to do we did last year.

6850
05:13:06,000 --> 05:13:07,360
We're going to give to the parks board

6851
05:13:07,360 --> 05:13:09,360
and not do it in the budget workshop and

6852
05:13:09,360 --> 05:13:12,400
then tell them we're doing a fall zone.

6853
05:13:12,400 --> 05:13:13,840
We're doing a new playground. We're

6854
05:13:13,840 --> 05:13:14,160
doing

6855
05:13:14,160 --> 05:13:15,200
>> put in another volleyball court.

6856
05:13:15,200 --> 05:13:16,718
>> But this can be so this a this is a

6857
05:13:16,718 --> 05:13:18,798
public works not really the not really

6858
05:13:18,798 --> 05:13:20,480
the public this is a public works

6859
05:13:20,480 --> 05:13:21,680
lighting plan

6860
05:13:21,680 --> 05:13:23,680
>> in the in the in the park in Ha

6861
05:13:23,680 --> 05:13:25,200
Community Park. So the parks board needs

6862
05:13:25,200 --> 05:13:27,040
to be included in that. Can we keep

6863
05:13:27,040 --> 05:13:28,638
going on facility so he can go?

6864
05:13:28,638 --> 05:13:30,320
>> Yes.

6865
05:13:30,320 --> 05:13:33,840
>> Project. Oh, wait. Where's two?

6866
05:13:33,840 --> 05:13:34,240
>> Yes.

6867
05:13:34,240 --> 05:13:36,080
>> Do you have more for us to go through?

6868
05:13:36,080 --> 05:13:37,760
>> So, you're taking out the 120 for the

6869
05:13:37,760 --> 05:13:38,160
fence.

6870
05:13:38,160 --> 05:13:39,200
>> We're moving it to

6871
05:13:39,200 --> 05:13:42,400
>> never in. So, it's just not going in

6872
05:13:42,400 --> 05:13:46,240
>> and Mike is sliding it.

6873
05:13:46,240 --> 05:13:50,320
>> Well, it's in his suggestion here. Okay.

6874
05:13:50,320 --> 05:13:50,878
>> Next year.

6875
05:13:50,878 --> 05:13:53,840
>> Mike is sliding it. Am I the only one

6876
05:13:53,840 --> 05:13:56,400
who doesn't see F2?

6877
05:13:56,400 --> 05:13:57,440
Is there no F2?

6878
05:13:57,440 --> 05:13:59,440
>> There's no F2.

6879
05:13:59,440 --> 05:14:03,590
>> Okay.

6880
05:14:03,600 --> 05:14:05,120
» Victor two, I think.

6881
05:14:05,120 --> 05:14:06,000
>> Understood.

6882
05:14:06,000 --> 05:14:09,600
>> Okay. Uh F3 would be the fire station

6883
05:14:09,600 --> 05:14:12,000
fields, restroom facility, and the

6884
05:14:12,000 --> 05:14:15,200
maintenance building.

6885
05:14:15,200 --> 05:14:19,600
That's currently budgeted.

6886
05:14:19,600 --> 05:14:20,480
A little short, I

6887
05:14:20,480 --> 05:14:22,320
>> believe.

6888
05:14:22,320 --> 05:14:22,878
>> Yes.

6889
05:14:22,878 --> 05:14:29,110
it is.

6890
05:14:29,120 --> 05:14:30,560
How much how much did y'all put in there

6891
05:14:30,560 --> 05:14:32,240
again last week, last Saturday?

6892
05:14:32,240 --> 05:14:34,080
>> Um, we didn't talk about this, but it's

6893
05:14:34,080 --> 05:14:36,320
at 405

6894
05:14:36,320 --> 05:14:38,958
>> 825 carryover.

6895
05:14:38,958 --> 05:14:41,280
>> I'm looking at the general fund and then

6896
05:14:41,280 --> 05:14:45,440
the storage building is 80,000 carry

6897
05:14:45,440 --> 05:14:47,280
carried forward.

6898
05:14:47,280 --> 05:14:49,520
>> Where is that

6899
05:14:49,520 --> 05:14:51,600
under carry forward from the from prior

6900
05:14:51,600 --> 05:14:54,480
year on general fund? If you look at the

6901
05:14:54,480 --> 05:14:56,560
100,000 that's that's highlighted. Go up

6902
05:14:56,560 --> 05:14:58,080
a little. Go up a little bit and go down

6903
05:14:58,080 --> 05:15:01,440
a little bit. You should see them

6904
05:15:01,440 --> 05:15:04,560
>> community. No, that's a fence. Um fire

6905
05:15:04,560 --> 05:15:06,080
station fields restroom. I see that.

6906
05:15:06,080 --> 05:15:09,840
Where's the other one though?

6907
05:15:09,840 --> 05:15:11,920
>> Oh, there it is. Storage building. I

6908
05:15:11,920 --> 05:15:13,680
have a question. Can we align these two

6909
05:15:13,680 --> 05:15:17,360
line items to match Mike's?

6910
05:15:17,360 --> 05:15:19,120
It's just really important that these

6911
05:15:19,120 --> 05:15:20,798
are easier to digest. So, right now we

6912
05:15:20,798 --> 05:15:23,440
have it broken out as two separate

6913
05:15:23,440 --> 05:15:25,440
projects, but Mike is working it as one

6914
05:15:25,440 --> 05:15:29,040
where the storage field or the storage

6915
05:15:29,040 --> 05:15:31,520
um building and the restrooms are going

6916
05:15:31,520 --> 05:15:33,680
to be done together.

6917
05:15:33,680 --> 05:15:35,600
I mean, is there a way to is that a

6918
05:15:35,600 --> 05:15:38,560
simple ask, Marcy?

6919
05:15:38,560 --> 05:15:41,680
>> And label it with the

6920
05:15:41,680 --> 05:15:44,708
storage.

6921
05:15:44,718 --> 05:15:46,400
» Well, the restroom is not going to be in

6922
05:15:46,400 --> 05:15:48,560
the storage. the storage building.

6923
05:15:48,560 --> 05:15:50,400
>> Sorry, the storage building is on call

6924
05:15:50,400 --> 05:15:52,638
on the plan and stuff.

6925
05:15:52,638 --> 05:15:53,840
>> I understand who's designing it

6926
05:15:53,840 --> 05:15:55,520
together. Modular restroom facility and

6927
05:15:55,520 --> 05:15:57,440
30x40 public works storage facility.

6928
05:15:57,440 --> 05:15:58,638
>> But they won't actually be connected.

6929
05:15:58,638 --> 05:15:59,840
They'll be two separate.

6930
05:15:59,840 --> 05:16:01,520
>> Understood. But he's I'm just saying

6931
05:16:01,520 --> 05:16:03,360
he's working on it together.

6932
05:16:03,360 --> 05:16:05,120
>> He is doing them together. That's how he

6933
05:16:05,120 --> 05:16:06,000
has them marked.

6934
05:16:06,000 --> 05:16:07,440
>> Yeah. Mike, the assumption was that was

6935
05:16:07,440 --> 05:16:09,040
going to be bid together as one project.

6936
05:16:09,040 --> 05:16:09,440
Correct.

6937
05:16:09,440 --> 05:16:11,200
>> I would recommend we bid those at the

6938
05:16:11,200 --> 05:16:11,760
same time.

6939
05:16:11,760 --> 05:16:14,718
>> Okay. So, if they're saying just add

6940
05:16:14,718 --> 05:16:16,638
them together instead of being separate.

6941
05:16:16,638 --> 05:16:21,190
So

6942
05:16:21,200 --> 05:16:23,760
» consolidate

6943
05:16:23,760 --> 05:16:25,520
>> and did you look if those numbers

6944
05:16:25,520 --> 05:16:27,200
correlate?

6945
05:16:27,200 --> 05:16:29,440
I can look it up

6946
05:16:29,440 --> 05:16:32,080
>> if all those numbers match the two. So

6947
05:16:32,080 --> 05:16:32,798
hold on.

6948
05:16:32,798 --> 05:16:34,000
>> 501.

6949
05:16:34,000 --> 05:16:35,520
>> Which number are you talking about?

6950
05:16:35,520 --> 05:16:38,480
>> It's pretty close. It's 485. It's It's

6951
05:16:38,480 --> 05:16:41,440
short by 20,000 from your spreadsheet.

6952
05:16:41,440 --> 05:16:43,920
That okay, Mike.

6953
05:16:43,920 --> 05:16:48,972
>> Not if you want to take it out. I think we're going to need we we

6954
05:16:48,972 --> 05:16:50,560
[snorts] had 500 in there.

6955
05:16:50,560 --> 05:16:52,798
>> 501500.

6956
05:16:52,798 --> 05:16:56,310
>> It's 452,11724

6957
05:16:56,320 --> 05:16:57,840
between the two line items.

6958
05:16:57,840 --> 05:17:00,000
>> No, it's 485825.

6959
05:17:00,000 --> 05:17:02,080
>> I think it was I think I heard

6960
05:17:02,080 --> 05:17:03,680
>> 485.

6961
05:17:03,680 --> 05:17:04,320
>> So it's about

6962
05:17:04,320 --> 05:17:05,280
>> Where's 85?

6963
05:17:05,280 --> 05:17:06,560
>> The 80 is the fire department.

6964
05:17:06,560 --> 05:17:08,000
>> Oh, I marked the wrong line. Thank you.

6965
05:17:08,000 --> 05:17:08,638
I'm sorry.

6966
05:17:08,638 --> 05:17:12,000
>> So that'd be 15 about 16,000 short. But

6967
05:17:12,000 --> 05:17:14,160
I don't know if the 15,000 goes to the

6968
05:17:14,160 --> 05:17:15,840
storage building or the 15,000 goes to

6969
05:17:15,840 --> 05:17:16,638
the restroom.

6970
05:17:16,638 --> 05:17:17,760
>> Well, it's gonna go all together.

6971
05:17:17,760 --> 05:17:19,920
>> The restroom. Okay. So, no, there's two

6972
05:17:19,920 --> 05:17:22,240
different line items. So, let's change

6973
05:17:22,240 --> 05:17:26,080
the restroom to 420 420,000.

6974
05:17:26,080 --> 05:17:27,520
She said there were two there were two

6975
05:17:27,520 --> 05:17:28,638
line items. So, she's going to put them

6976
05:17:28,638 --> 05:17:29,600
together, but she not you're not

6977
05:17:29,600 --> 05:17:31,440
combining them into one line item.

6978
05:17:31,440 --> 05:17:33,280
>> That's what she's doing

6979
05:17:33,280 --> 05:17:34,638
>> to match my because they're going to go

6980
05:17:34,638 --> 05:17:36,798
out to bid together.

6981
05:17:36,798 --> 05:17:38,958
>> I'm going to put them together. I

6982
05:17:38,958 --> 05:17:41,360
already have two separate. I thought you

6983
05:17:41,360 --> 05:17:42,718
were saying that you could

6984
05:17:42,718 --> 05:17:44,718
>> I could put them together on sheet so

6985
05:17:44,718 --> 05:17:46,240
you can see them together,

6986
05:17:46,240 --> 05:17:47,600
>> but they're Yeah, different they're

6987
05:17:47,600 --> 05:17:49,600
different budget line items.

6988
05:17:49,600 --> 05:17:52,798
>> 29 and 37.

6989
05:17:52,798 --> 05:17:55,040
>> So, is everybody good with adding um

6990
05:17:55,040 --> 05:17:56,878
15,000 to the restrooms making it

6991
05:17:56,878 --> 05:17:59,600
420,825?

6992
05:17:59,600 --> 05:18:00,958
>> I just have a question. How is that

6993
05:18:00,958 --> 05:18:02,160
going to work when it goes out to bid

6994
05:18:02,160 --> 05:18:04,798
together?

6995
05:18:04,798 --> 05:18:07,440
We can we can have two separate bid

6996
05:18:07,440 --> 05:18:08,480
sections. And

6997
05:18:08,480 --> 05:18:10,638
>> I know, but then if we're off on one and

6998
05:18:10,638 --> 05:18:12,560
short, so we're high on one and short on

6999
05:18:12,560 --> 05:18:14,560
the other, we can't just move the funds.

7000
05:18:14,560 --> 05:18:19,430
Could we not just make it one?

7001
05:18:19,440 --> 05:18:21,920
» You get what I'm saying?

7002
05:18:21,920 --> 05:18:23,360
>> You're talking about on the accounting

7003
05:18:23,360 --> 05:18:23,760
side?

7004
05:18:23,760 --> 05:18:25,200
>> Yeah. On the accounting side, won't it

7005
05:18:25,200 --> 05:18:31,430
matter if it aligns

7006
05:18:31,440 --> 05:18:33,440
» from the from the engineers perspective?

7007
05:18:33,440 --> 05:18:33,840
It's easy.

7008
05:18:33,840 --> 05:18:36,000
>> Not for you. Yeah. But for when they pay

7009
05:18:36,000 --> 05:18:41,030
out if

7010
05:18:41,040 --> 05:18:45,670
» Yeah, that's what I'm

7011
05:18:45,680 --> 05:18:46,798
just because they're going to put it out

7012
05:18:46,798 --> 05:18:49,440
to bid together. I'm asking if

7013
05:18:49,440 --> 05:18:52,000
>> No,

7014
05:18:52,000 --> 05:18:52,560
>> but

7015
05:18:52,560 --> 05:18:55,040
>> what's that problem? I'm saying so if we

7016
05:18:55,040 --> 05:18:56,878
identify, we have no idea. He doesn't

7017
05:18:56,878 --> 05:18:58,400
list out and break out the bathrooms

7018
05:18:58,400 --> 05:19:01,920
versus the shed. So say right now we

7019
05:19:01,920 --> 05:19:05,280
make this 450,000 for the restrooms and

7020
05:19:05,280 --> 05:19:08,000
96 for the shed, but the bid comes back

7021
05:19:08,000 --> 05:19:09,680
with costs that are completely

7022
05:19:09,680 --> 05:19:11,680
different. If they're separate line

7023
05:19:11,680 --> 05:19:13,680
items on accounting, we would have to

7024
05:19:13,680 --> 05:19:16,160
modify. Whereas if it's one,

7025
05:19:16,160 --> 05:19:21,990
>> that's what I was asking.

7026
05:19:22,000 --> 05:19:23,680
county

7027
05:19:23,680 --> 05:19:27,040
though we have this

7028
05:19:27,040 --> 05:19:31,406
these

7029
05:19:31,416 --> 05:19:32,718
[clears throat]

7030
05:19:32,718 --> 05:19:33,840
>> so as long as they can

7031
05:19:33,840 --> 05:19:35,360
>> such as I'll just use this as

7032
05:19:35,360 --> 05:19:36,958
>> let me ask you originally we did these

7033
05:19:36,958 --> 05:19:39,520
as two separate projects

7034
05:19:39,520 --> 05:19:42,400
>> are there two separate projects or is

7035
05:19:42,400 --> 05:19:44,000
this

7036
05:19:44,000 --> 05:19:47,280
30 by 40 storage building included in

7037
05:19:47,280 --> 05:19:48,718
your project

7038
05:19:48,718 --> 05:19:50,718
>> there there were two separate projects

7039
05:19:50,718 --> 05:19:52,560
but proximitywise,

7040
05:19:52,560 --> 05:19:55,600
surveywise, service-wise, time-wise, it

7041
05:19:55,600 --> 05:19:57,760
made sense to just design them as one.

7042
05:19:57,760 --> 05:19:58,160
>> Okay,

7043
05:19:58,160 --> 05:19:58,958
>> that's

7044
05:19:58,958 --> 05:20:02,080
>> Well, I think the fallacy is calling

7045
05:20:02,080 --> 05:20:03,920
projects.

7046
05:20:03,920 --> 05:20:06,718
It's all one project.

7047
05:20:06,718 --> 05:20:11,280
>> The two different facilities on so far,

7048
05:20:11,280 --> 05:20:15,200
>> it is a restroom facility and a storage

7049
05:20:15,200 --> 05:20:16,000
building facility.

7050
05:20:16,000 --> 05:20:17,040
>> I was trying to simplify that

7051
05:20:17,040 --> 05:20:22,550
>> but one project.

7052
05:20:22,560 --> 05:20:25,040
Sir, we don't have a quorum,

7053
05:20:25,040 --> 05:20:29,990
>> Mr. Mayor.

7054
05:20:30,000 --> 05:20:32,332
» All right. Uh,

7055
05:20:32,332 --> 05:20:34,628
[clears throat]

7056
05:20:34,638 --> 05:20:35,280
» that's right.

7057
05:20:35,280 --> 05:20:37,040
>> So, that's my that's my question.

7058
05:20:37,040 --> 05:20:40,320
>> Fair. You just can't get up and leave.

7059
05:20:40,320 --> 05:20:42,320
Council people cannot just get up and

7060
05:20:42,320 --> 05:20:43,520
leave the room.

7061
05:20:43,520 --> 05:20:45,200
>> You've also left the room to get coffee.

7062
05:20:45,200 --> 05:20:46,400
Um, but

7063
05:20:46,400 --> 05:20:48,000
>> but the but at least three of us have to

7064
05:20:48,000 --> 05:20:48,638
stay long.

7065
05:20:48,638 --> 05:20:50,080
>> Okay. Yeah, we're here. We're all We're

7066
05:20:50,080 --> 05:20:50,638
all back.

7067
05:20:50,638 --> 05:20:52,160
>> What time do you got to leave, Mr.

7068
05:20:52,160 --> 05:20:53,040
Anderson?

7069
05:20:53,040 --> 05:20:53,280
>> Now.

7070
05:20:53,280 --> 05:20:53,760
>> 10 minutes.

7071
05:20:53,760 --> 05:20:55,360
>> What's your cut off time?

7072
05:20:55,360 --> 05:20:57,360
>> Uh, 2:30.

7073
05:20:57,360 --> 05:20:58,000
>> 2:30.

7074
05:20:58,000 --> 05:20:59,680
>> We got plenty of time, folks. Plenty of

7075
05:20:59,680 --> 05:21:00,160
time.

7076
05:21:00,160 --> 05:21:02,080
>> Okay, Marc Jasmine, now you can go.

7077
05:21:02,080 --> 05:21:03,440
>> I'm going to wait till he comes in here.

7078
05:21:03,440 --> 05:21:06,000
>> Okay. Soon as everybody gets.

7079
05:21:06,000 --> 05:21:09,120
>> Okay. Let's Let's finish this one

7080
05:21:09,120 --> 05:21:10,878
conversation here. It sounds like we're

7081
05:21:10,878 --> 05:21:12,480
done with your facilities. Is that

7082
05:21:12,480 --> 05:21:13,120
right?

7083
05:21:13,120 --> 05:21:13,520
>> No.

7084
05:21:13,520 --> 05:21:14,560
We still have two more.

7085
05:21:14,560 --> 05:21:15,360
>> Four. five and six.

7086
05:21:15,360 --> 05:21:16,958
>> And my question was, did we want to add

7087
05:21:16,958 --> 05:21:19,840
an additional $20,000 to the restroom so

7088
05:21:19,840 --> 05:21:21,440
it matches the spreadsheet?

7089
05:21:21,440 --> 05:21:22,240
>> I for sure want to do that.

7090
05:21:22,240 --> 05:21:24,480
>> Yes. And yes, perfect.

7091
05:21:24,480 --> 05:21:26,638
>> Okay.

7092
05:21:26,638 --> 05:21:30,230
>> Make it 420,825.

7093
05:21:30,240 --> 05:21:33,760
» Okay. Total. And then I guess Marcy, you

7094
05:21:33,760 --> 05:21:35,280
just look to see if you should combine

7095
05:21:35,280 --> 05:21:36,560
or what's best for you.

7096
05:21:36,560 --> 05:21:37,920
>> I'll look and see if there's been

7097
05:21:37,920 --> 05:21:41,360
expenditure. I can journal entry. I'll fix it.

7098
05:21:41,360 --> 05:21:42,958
>> Let her figure it out.

7099
05:21:42,958 --> 05:21:44,958
>> Okay. Okay. And we'll add a label for F3

7100
05:21:44,958 --> 05:21:49,760
to that where whatever you end up doing.

7101
05:21:49,760 --> 05:21:51,440
>> I love that we're connecting it.

7102
05:21:51,440 --> 05:21:52,160
>> Me, too.

7103
05:21:52,160 --> 05:21:53,920
>> Happy loop.

7104
05:21:53,920 --> 05:21:55,040
>> Okay.

7105
05:21:55,040 --> 05:21:57,040
>> My wife would call that tying it out in

7106
05:21:57,040 --> 05:21:58,240
the accounting world.

7107
05:21:58,240 --> 05:22:00,480
>> I like it.

7108
05:22:00,480 --> 05:22:03,120
>> It doesn't tie or does one or the other.

7109
05:22:03,120 --> 05:22:04,798
>> Do we even need to talk about F4? Cuz

7110
05:22:04,798 --> 05:22:07,200
didn't we delete like

7111
05:22:07,200 --> 05:22:07,760
>> didn't we?

7112
05:22:07,760 --> 05:22:10,878
>> There's nothing on Well, it has 350,000

7113
05:22:10,878 --> 05:22:11,920
last year.

7114
05:22:11,920 --> 05:22:13,600
>> Did we? Okay.

7115
05:22:13,600 --> 05:22:17,040
>> Last Saturday we said well that's 27.

7116
05:22:17,040 --> 05:22:19,040
>> Mike, have you finished your facilities

7117
05:22:19,040 --> 05:22:20,080
presentation?

7118
05:22:20,080 --> 05:22:21,040
>> No.

7119
05:22:21,040 --> 05:22:24,160
I've got got three more

7120
05:22:24,160 --> 05:22:26,400
>> real quick.

7121
05:22:26,400 --> 05:22:28,000
>> But we need to wait, right?

7122
05:22:28,000 --> 05:22:28,638
>> No, you're good.

7123
05:22:28,638 --> 05:22:29,760
>> You're good. There's three of us.

7124
05:22:29,760 --> 05:22:33,120
>> Okay. All right. So, the the project

7125
05:22:33,120 --> 05:22:36,480
2025, we had access

7126
05:22:36,480 --> 05:22:40,400
gate and access to the city 78 acres.

7127
05:22:40,400 --> 05:22:42,560
So, what I've got up on the screen here

7128
05:22:42,560 --> 05:22:47,520
is uh the an exhibit that shows how the

7129
05:22:47,520 --> 05:22:52,080
city's property comes together at the U

7130
05:22:52,080 --> 05:22:56,080
Hasslet Parkway at Hassllet Parkway. And

7131
05:22:56,080 --> 05:22:58,718
what we did was we looked at trying to

7132
05:22:58,718 --> 05:23:01,200
sort out access to this property

7133
05:23:01,200 --> 05:23:03,920
irrespective of the use of the property.

7134
05:23:03,920 --> 05:23:06,000
There is only one location that will

7135
05:23:06,000 --> 05:23:09,760
work from a technical standpoint

7136
05:23:09,760 --> 05:23:12,480
to access this property. So you can see

7137
05:23:12,480 --> 05:23:14,718
we did quite a bit of work to plan out

7138
05:23:14,718 --> 05:23:16,160
the location of this, checking

7139
05:23:16,160 --> 05:23:18,878
driveways, sight distance, turn lane

7140
05:23:18,878 --> 05:23:21,920
links for the future, all the things,

7141
05:23:21,920 --> 05:23:24,080
taking into account existing drives and

7142
05:23:24,080 --> 05:23:27,200
existing turn lanes. And we settled upon

7143
05:23:27,200 --> 05:23:30,638
a a driveway location

7144
05:23:30,638 --> 05:23:33,040
uh generally shown on this exhibit here.

7145
05:23:33,040 --> 05:23:36,638
And so we've got a project that is ready

7146
05:23:36,638 --> 05:23:39,440
for bids, actually hit the paper last

7147
05:23:39,440 --> 05:23:43,520
week to construct a fence, pipe rail

7148
05:23:43,520 --> 05:23:48,000
fence and gate along Hasslet Parkway

7149
05:23:48,000 --> 05:23:51,200
and build.

7150
05:23:51,200 --> 05:23:54,798
So that's generally the the

7151
05:23:54,798 --> 05:23:57,920
fence, the pipe rail fence,

7152
05:23:57,920 --> 05:24:00,160
and then there's some u barb wire

7153
05:24:00,160 --> 05:24:04,000
fencing to tie things in. Um the the

7154
05:24:04,000 --> 05:24:07,040
design and the bid package also includes

7155
05:24:07,040 --> 05:24:09,120
a median opening. There is no median

7156
05:24:09,120 --> 05:24:10,878
opening.

7157
05:24:10,878 --> 05:24:13,440
So you see to access it right now you'd

7158
05:24:13,440 --> 05:24:15,200
have to come up and whip a UEI that's

7159
05:24:15,200 --> 05:24:19,440
just off the sheet, but we we went ahead

7160
05:24:19,440 --> 05:24:21,680
and designed a a median opening and

7161
05:24:21,680 --> 05:24:24,160
we're bidding that as an alternate

7162
05:24:24,160 --> 05:24:27,280
to see if that can come in under budget

7163
05:24:27,280 --> 05:24:29,840
and meet the needs of the city. You

7164
05:24:29,840 --> 05:24:34,320
think 286,000 is going to cover that?

7165
05:24:34,320 --> 05:24:37,360
>> No, I think it's I think 286 would would

7166
05:24:37,360 --> 05:24:39,280
cover the driveway and the fence, but I

7167
05:24:39,280 --> 05:24:40,638
don't think it's going to cover the

7168
05:24:40,638 --> 05:24:42,560
median opening. I think that'll be more

7169
05:24:42,560 --> 05:24:45,120
like 350, but we've already got it

7170
05:24:45,120 --> 05:24:46,958
designed and we're going to bid it as an

7171
05:24:46,958 --> 05:24:47,840
alternate.

7172
05:24:47,840 --> 05:24:48,160
>> Okay.

7173
05:24:48,160 --> 05:24:48,718
>> And if

7174
05:24:48,718 --> 05:24:51,120
>> what was the previous estimate that you

7175
05:24:51,120 --> 05:24:51,840
gave me?

7176
05:24:51,840 --> 05:24:53,520
>> 38 350

7177
05:24:53,520 --> 05:24:56,878
>> 350. How'd it get down to 260?

7178
05:24:56,878 --> 05:24:58,560
>> He just said he took it. He just said

7179
05:24:58,560 --> 05:25:01,040
it. He took out the

7180
05:25:01,040 --> 05:25:03,440
>> with with the median opening is 350.

7181
05:25:03,440 --> 05:25:03,920
>> Yeah.

7182
05:25:03,920 --> 05:25:05,680
>> Without the median opening it's 2.

7183
05:25:05,680 --> 05:25:07,920
>> You need a median improvement.

7184
05:25:07,920 --> 05:25:10,718
>> So sorry carry forward.

7185
05:25:10,718 --> 05:25:13,200
>> What is this budgeted at in our budget?

7186
05:25:13,200 --> 05:25:15,760
>> 2864647

7187
05:25:15,760 --> 05:25:16,958
>> 286.

7188
05:25:16,958 --> 05:25:17,600
>> Yes.

7189
05:25:17,600 --> 05:25:18,718
>> How did that happen?

7190
05:25:18,718 --> 05:25:20,240
>> That's been there. That was

7191
05:25:20,240 --> 05:25:21,360
>> How did that happen?

7192
05:25:21,360 --> 05:25:23,200
>> That was what you proposed.

7193
05:25:23,200 --> 05:25:24,480
>> No.

7194
05:25:24,480 --> 05:25:25,520
>> Yes.

7195
05:25:25,520 --> 05:25:27,760
>> That came in your budget. that was

7196
05:25:27,760 --> 05:25:32,480
probably um carried forward.

7197
05:25:32,480 --> 05:25:33,840
>> It was

7198
05:25:33,840 --> 05:25:35,360
>> um

7199
05:25:35,360 --> 05:25:37,280
it was probably originally 350 and now

7200
05:25:37,280 --> 05:25:37,760
it's down to

7201
05:25:37,760 --> 05:25:40,160
>> 28. We need how much

7202
05:25:40,160 --> 05:25:42,560
>> because with the median opening and the

7203
05:25:42,560 --> 05:25:44,160
fence and the driveway

7204
05:25:44,160 --> 05:25:46,240
>> 350.

7205
05:25:46,240 --> 05:25:48,718
>> So the Yeah.

7206
05:25:48,718 --> 05:25:51,120
>> Can I ask you how important this access

7207
05:25:51,120 --> 05:25:52,958
is? Why we would push this project for

7208
05:25:52,958 --> 05:25:55,520
this year when we've got a million other

7209
05:25:55,520 --> 05:25:57,760
expenses?

7210
05:25:57,760 --> 05:26:00,240
Well, this this this was in this year's

7211
05:26:00,240 --> 05:26:02,000
budget.

7212
05:26:02,000 --> 05:26:03,760
>> Yeah, but we haven't awarded it yet. I I

7213
05:26:03,760 --> 05:26:04,080
realize

7214
05:26:04,080 --> 05:26:05,760
>> No, we have and we haven't awarded it.

7215
05:26:05,760 --> 05:26:09,840
We haven't We're bidding it, but um

7216
05:26:09,840 --> 05:26:11,840
access to the property.

7217
05:26:11,840 --> 05:26:15,280
>> Access to the property. We have 78 acres

7218
05:26:15,280 --> 05:26:17,760
and don't have access to the property.

7219
05:26:17,760 --> 05:26:20,480
>> We don't have to work.

7220
05:26:20,480 --> 05:26:22,160
>> We don't have any use lined up yet.

7221
05:26:22,160 --> 05:26:23,280
>> But I think it's going to be important

7222
05:26:23,280 --> 05:26:24,798
that we do this now so when it is

7223
05:26:24,798 --> 05:26:26,080
developed, we have this. It's never

7224
05:26:26,080 --> 05:26:26,798
going to get

7225
05:26:26,798 --> 05:26:27,680
>> to tell you this.

7226
05:26:27,680 --> 05:26:29,120
>> Okay, I guess I'm done talking

7227
05:26:29,120 --> 05:26:31,040
>> is using that access.

7228
05:26:31,040 --> 05:26:32,798
>> Yeah, I think I think they're Are you

7229
05:26:32,798 --> 05:26:34,958
guys accessing?

7230
05:26:34,958 --> 05:26:36,798
>> Are you

7231
05:26:36,798 --> 05:26:37,200
sort of

7232
05:26:37,200 --> 05:26:39,760
>> there is there is a a method we we will

7233
05:26:39,760 --> 05:26:40,560
>> dirt

7234
05:26:40,560 --> 05:26:42,560
>> there is dirt road that goes there and

7235
05:26:42,560 --> 05:26:45,600
we uh do utilize that. It would be

7236
05:26:45,600 --> 05:26:47,360
helpful to have an appropriate access

7237
05:26:47,360 --> 05:26:49,040
off of there. It's just given certain

7238
05:26:49,040 --> 05:26:51,360
times of the day it is much easier to

7239
05:26:51,360 --> 05:26:53,520
get people and equipment

7240
05:26:53,520 --> 05:26:55,600
>> through this direction. It's, you know,

7241
05:26:55,600 --> 05:26:57,360
we don't have to have it, but it is

7242
05:26:57,360 --> 05:26:58,798
something we would utilize and

7243
05:26:58,798 --> 05:26:59,920
appreciate if it was there.

7244
05:26:59,920 --> 05:27:01,440
>> We're small town Texas. We can go

7245
05:27:01,440 --> 05:27:05,590
off-roading.

7246
05:27:05,600 --> 05:27:07,520
» That's what Dollar General's for.

7247
05:27:07,520 --> 05:27:08,958
>> We can do it at Dollar General. We can

7248
05:27:08,958 --> 05:27:11,040
do it on an empty lot, but that's just

7249
05:27:11,040 --> 05:27:11,680
me.

7250
05:27:11,680 --> 05:27:12,958
>> I say we leave it. I think it's going to

7251
05:27:12,958 --> 05:27:14,718
be important that we get access to that

7252
05:27:14,718 --> 05:27:16,638
and that it

7253
05:27:16,638 --> 05:27:19,440
I know right now it doesn't seem as like

7254
05:27:19,440 --> 05:27:20,878
priority number one, but I think it's

7255
05:27:20,878 --> 05:27:22,240
important that they they have access to

7256
05:27:22,240 --> 05:27:24,240
it. There's another way to enter it and

7257
05:27:24,240 --> 05:27:26,000
it'll look good de development wise.

7258
05:27:26,000 --> 05:27:27,440
>> Can we leave it now and keep it in mind

7259
05:27:27,440 --> 05:27:28,160
if we need to cut?

7260
05:27:28,160 --> 05:27:29,680
>> Yeah, for sure.

7261
05:27:29,680 --> 05:27:31,840
>> And do we want to move it to the 350?

7262
05:27:31,840 --> 05:27:32,798
He's saying he needs

7263
05:27:32,798 --> 05:27:35,040
>> So the original budget was 350,000 and

7264
05:27:35,040 --> 05:27:37,920
they've spent 13 350 225

7265
05:27:37,920 --> 05:27:38,480
>> doing what?

7266
05:27:38,480 --> 05:27:41,120
>> Well, that would be 300,000.

7267
05:27:41,120 --> 05:27:42,958
>> Why that what was what was that spent

7268
05:27:42,958 --> 05:27:43,920
on? Do we know?

7269
05:27:43,920 --> 05:27:45,760
>> Engineering [snorts] survey survey and

7270
05:27:45,760 --> 05:27:47,680
engineering.

7271
05:27:47,680 --> 05:27:49,440
>> I think we did the land swap exhibits

7272
05:27:49,440 --> 05:27:52,320
with that too. So the 28 the 286 or

7273
05:27:52,320 --> 05:27:54,160
whatever's left in there would be enough

7274
05:27:54,160 --> 05:27:55,360
to

7275
05:27:55,360 --> 05:27:56,718
>> No, he's saying it's not.

7276
05:27:56,718 --> 05:27:58,480
>> You need another 350.

7277
05:27:58,480 --> 05:27:59,440
>> No, not enough.

7278
05:27:59,440 --> 05:28:04,150
>> We would need a note. There's $63,35255

7279
05:28:04,160 --> 05:28:06,638
carried forward or added on the carry

7280
05:28:06,638 --> 05:28:08,480
forward. So, can we mark that for now

7281
05:28:08,480 --> 05:28:09,920
and come back?

7282
05:28:09,920 --> 05:28:13,120
>> Yeah, Mike. Is that sufficient to just

7283
05:28:13,120 --> 05:28:14,400
restore it to 350?

7284
05:28:14,400 --> 05:28:16,638
>> I think so. Yes. That'll at least get

7285
05:28:16,638 --> 05:28:18,558
the driveway built. Yeah.

7286
05:28:18,558 --> 05:28:19,760
>> Okay. You got one.

7287
05:28:19,760 --> 05:28:21,840
>> James or David, have y'all ever seen

7288
05:28:21,840 --> 05:28:24,240
anybody that should not be on the

7289
05:28:24,240 --> 05:28:25,520
property entering the property from

7290
05:28:25,520 --> 05:28:27,440
Hasset Parkway since Hasslet Parkway has

7291
05:28:27,440 --> 05:28:28,080
been built?

7292
05:28:28,080 --> 05:28:28,958
>> So up to that.

7293
05:28:28,958 --> 05:28:30,878
>> So recently that's been a common

7294
05:28:30,878 --> 05:28:33,360
occurrence. We've been ensuring that gas

7295
05:28:33,360 --> 05:28:35,680
well entrance is locked which we hope is

7296
05:28:35,680 --> 05:28:40,958
deterring that. But it's being used by more it's gas well employees

7297
05:28:40,958 --> 05:28:42,958
obviously for the use of gas wells. We

7298
05:28:42,958 --> 05:28:46,320
have seen uh other utility companies

7299
05:28:46,320 --> 05:28:48,000
using it to access rightaway and then

7300
05:28:48,000 --> 05:28:49,440
now recently we've been seeing the

7301
05:28:49,440 --> 05:28:51,760
general public all who would should not.

7302
05:28:51,760 --> 05:28:54,400
So having that gate would make that

7303
05:28:54,400 --> 05:28:56,638
better uh to control that kind of

7304
05:28:56,638 --> 05:28:57,120
access.

7305
05:28:57,120 --> 05:28:58,718
>> So high schoolers won't be driving out

7306
05:28:58,718 --> 05:29:00,320
there doing donuts out on our property

7307
05:29:00,320 --> 05:29:01,200
or something, you know.

7308
05:29:01,200 --> 05:29:02,480
>> Yeah. Well, mainly they're just looking

7309
05:29:02,480 --> 05:29:05,840
for a quick cut through to get back.

7310
05:29:05,840 --> 05:29:07,200
>> Or if we built the roads right, they

7311
05:29:07,200 --> 05:29:11,350
wouldn't need it.

7312
05:29:11,360 --> 05:29:13,200
» I'm going to keep

7313
05:29:13,200 --> 05:29:13,600
hidden.

7314
05:29:13,600 --> 05:29:15,680
>> So, so a fence would So, even though

7315
05:29:15,680 --> 05:29:17,360
we'd like to save money right now, but a

7316
05:29:17,360 --> 05:29:19,680
fence would be beneficial to help keep

7317
05:29:19,680 --> 05:29:20,240
people off.

7318
05:29:20,240 --> 05:29:22,480
>> Yeah, it's a beneficial project, like I

7319
05:29:22,480 --> 05:29:24,400
said, and I can't speak for what it'd be

7320
05:29:24,400 --> 05:29:25,920
in a year or so, but I assume it only

7321
05:29:25,920 --> 05:29:27,440
gets more expensive to build it and it

7322
05:29:27,440 --> 05:29:29,120
was budgeted and

7323
05:29:29,120 --> 05:29:31,520
>> it makes sense to complete.

7324
05:29:31,520 --> 05:29:33,360
>> Mike, are you going to be bidding that

7325
05:29:33,360 --> 05:29:34,718
this fiscal year?

7326
05:29:34,718 --> 05:29:36,240
>> There's nothing in here for public works

7327
05:29:36,240 --> 05:29:38,798
building.

7328
05:29:38,798 --> 05:29:43,990
>> All right. What's next?

7329
05:29:44,000 --> 05:29:49,990
library.

7330
05:29:50,000 --> 05:29:52,798
» The thought [clears throat] of that is

7331
05:29:52,798 --> 05:29:57,430
um

7332
05:29:57,440 --> 05:29:59,520
if I could find that.

7333
05:29:59,520 --> 05:30:01,280
>> We talked about this last week.

7334
05:30:01,280 --> 05:30:03,920
>> We did and uh I got to mention it

7335
05:30:03,920 --> 05:30:06,948
briefly.

7336
05:30:06,958 --> 05:30:10,400
the the current library

7337
05:30:10,400 --> 05:30:12,160
is insufficient.

7338
05:30:12,160 --> 05:30:13,440
>> We all agree.

7339
05:30:13,440 --> 05:30:14,718
>> It is insufficient.

7340
05:30:14,718 --> 05:30:15,520
>> We all agree.

7341
05:30:15,520 --> 05:30:19,280
>> And building a new library, it is

7342
05:30:19,280 --> 05:30:22,000
getting u

7343
05:30:22,000 --> 05:30:26,160
frees up that existing library for city

7344
05:30:26,160 --> 05:30:28,798
offices and a dedicated council

7345
05:30:28,798 --> 05:30:33,680
chambers. Each wing is twice the size at

7346
05:30:33,680 --> 05:30:36,718
least of this area.

7347
05:30:36,718 --> 05:30:42,000
And in that so the library

7348
05:30:42,000 --> 05:30:43,200
>> before taking it

7349
05:30:43,200 --> 05:30:44,718
>> before you continue can he just do his

7350
05:30:44,718 --> 05:30:46,080
last one then he can go and then we can

7351
05:30:46,080 --> 05:30:46,798
go back to

7352
05:30:46,798 --> 05:30:48,000
>> I didn't know he had anything he

7353
05:30:48,000 --> 05:30:48,638
mentioned library.

7354
05:30:48,638 --> 05:30:51,200
>> Are you done or is there anything else?

7355
05:30:51,200 --> 05:30:53,280
>> I'd like to go through that last go

7356
05:30:53,280 --> 05:30:55,200
ahead go through that last one then we

7357
05:30:55,200 --> 05:30:56,000
can let you go.

7358
05:30:56,000 --> 05:30:59,280
>> Okay.

7359
05:30:59,280 --> 05:31:03,670
>> Then we can

7360
05:31:03,680 --> 05:31:05,600
» Okay. The last item that I have up here

7361
05:31:05,600 --> 05:31:09,040
is the public works annex.

7362
05:31:09,040 --> 05:31:13,760
That was the

7363
05:31:13,760 --> 05:31:17,680
uh p public works and the material

7364
05:31:17,680 --> 05:31:22,480
storage, the yard, road, utilities. That

7365
05:31:22,480 --> 05:31:26,958
was the uh plans that we brought to the

7366
05:31:26,958 --> 05:31:28,400
last council meeting along with the

7367
05:31:28,400 --> 05:31:30,958
updated cost estimate. That project's

7368
05:31:30,958 --> 05:31:35,120
right around 5 5.1 million.

7369
05:31:35,120 --> 05:31:37,280
>> You got something to show?

7370
05:31:37,280 --> 05:31:39,840
>> Uh yeah, I can I'm sorry I didn't have

7371
05:31:39,840 --> 05:31:40,638
anything pulled up.

7372
05:31:40,638 --> 05:31:41,920
>> While you're pulling that up, you think

7373
05:31:41,920 --> 05:31:44,798
5.1 million is required for next year?

7374
05:31:44,798 --> 05:31:46,878
You think it'll be designed, bid, and

7375
05:31:46,878 --> 05:31:47,760
completed?

7376
05:31:47,760 --> 05:31:49,360
>> I was going to I was going to briefly

7377
05:31:49,360 --> 05:31:50,080
touch on that.

7378
05:31:50,080 --> 05:31:50,558
>> Okay.

7379
05:31:50,558 --> 05:31:52,638
>> Thank you for Thank you for bringing

7380
05:31:52,638 --> 05:31:53,200
that up.

7381
05:31:53,200 --> 05:31:55,040
>> No worries. I think it's 425 now and

7382
05:31:55,040 --> 05:31:59,040
then the rest the next

7383
05:31:59,040 --> 05:32:01,280
>> 425 now and then the rest the next year.

7384
05:32:01,280 --> 05:32:02,480
>> I would think it's it's probably going

7385
05:32:02,480 --> 05:32:05,840
to be split between 27 28 28 and 29 is

7386
05:32:05,840 --> 05:32:07,280
what I

7387
05:32:07,280 --> 05:32:10,000
>> see here

7388
05:32:10,000 --> 05:32:12,958
the four point

7389
05:32:12,958 --> 05:32:15,200
I guess he's going to go over.

7390
05:32:15,200 --> 05:32:17,840
>> So

7391
05:32:17,840 --> 05:32:21,120
disappeared on me. Okay everybody can

7392
05:32:21,120 --> 05:32:23,520
see the screen. So right now, this is

7393
05:32:23,520 --> 05:32:25,600
the plan that we're moving forward with

7394
05:32:25,600 --> 05:32:28,878
into detailed design. We've got these

7395
05:32:28,878 --> 05:32:31,120
three buildings. Everything you see in

7396
05:32:31,120 --> 05:32:33,680
gray is either part of the yard, part of

7397
05:32:33,680 --> 05:32:36,080
the parking lot, or the roadway. One of

7398
05:32:36,080 --> 05:32:38,718
the thoughts that we had was taking the

7399
05:32:38,718 --> 05:32:40,400
material that's going to be generated

7400
05:32:40,400 --> 05:32:42,558
from the Tarant County road work

7401
05:32:42,558 --> 05:32:44,638
projects, the three projects set to get

7402
05:32:44,638 --> 05:32:47,600
underway next month, using that wrap

7403
05:32:47,600 --> 05:32:51,840
material, stockpiling it at a location

7404
05:32:51,840 --> 05:32:54,240
generally over here out of our way.

7405
05:32:54,240 --> 05:32:58,000
using that to construct a good portion

7406
05:32:58,000 --> 05:33:00,958
of the yard and all of the road road

7407
05:33:00,958 --> 05:33:03,760
base and parking lot materials which

7408
05:33:03,760 --> 05:33:06,000
would result in a significant savings on

7409
05:33:06,000 --> 05:33:07,760
the project. We had a million dollars in

7410
05:33:07,760 --> 05:33:10,638
here for the road and the and the yard

7411
05:33:10,638 --> 05:33:12,798
paving. I think we could save a

7412
05:33:12,798 --> 05:33:15,200
significant amount of money. the the

7413
05:33:15,200 --> 05:33:17,520
type of construction and the type of

7414
05:33:17,520 --> 05:33:19,760
contractor that you would have doing

7415
05:33:19,760 --> 05:33:21,040
your buildings, you don't necessarily

7416
05:33:21,040 --> 05:33:23,920
want them building roads or doing other

7417
05:33:23,920 --> 05:33:25,680
things. So, what what we had talked

7418
05:33:25,680 --> 05:33:28,400
about doing was moving forward with the

7419
05:33:28,400 --> 05:33:30,958
three buildings. Those are currently

7420
05:33:30,958 --> 05:33:33,600
that project's funded at $2.5 million.

7421
05:33:33,600 --> 05:33:34,798
Correct. Correct.

7422
05:33:34,798 --> 05:33:38,798
>> We have three buildings there. We're we we've got our architect going

7423
05:33:38,798 --> 05:33:41,680
to come in and next week, week after

7424
05:33:41,680 --> 05:33:43,280
that, we should be able to hone in on

7425
05:33:43,280 --> 05:33:44,878
what these buildings are going to cost.

7426
05:33:44,878 --> 05:33:47,360
I would recommend we move forward with

7427
05:33:47,360 --> 05:33:49,760
the design of the foundation and the

7428
05:33:49,760 --> 05:33:52,080
buildings. Try to get those out on the

7429
05:33:52,080 --> 05:33:55,200
street in the next six weeks. Get the

7430
05:33:55,200 --> 05:33:57,920
buildings out for bid while we sort

7431
05:33:57,920 --> 05:34:00,400
through the design for the rest of the

7432
05:34:00,400 --> 05:34:03,760
road and the utilities and then you all

7433
05:34:03,760 --> 05:34:06,000
determine how you want to pay for that

7434
05:34:06,000 --> 05:34:08,160
short shortfall if you will on the

7435
05:34:08,160 --> 05:34:10,958
project. To answer your question, we

7436
05:34:10,958 --> 05:34:12,878
could get started with the construction

7437
05:34:12,878 --> 05:34:14,878
of the buildings

7438
05:34:14,878 --> 05:34:20,080
um this next fiscal year and the roadway

7439
05:34:20,080 --> 05:34:22,000
and the yard and the fencing could all

7440
05:34:22,000 --> 05:34:25,520
come in um as part of next year's budget

7441
05:34:25,520 --> 05:34:28,638
or later. But I just recommend we split

7442
05:34:28,638 --> 05:34:31,600
it into two separate projects

7443
05:34:31,600 --> 05:34:34,240
would be my recommendation on the

7444
05:34:34,240 --> 05:34:35,520
implementation of it.

7445
05:34:35,520 --> 05:34:39,360
>> So 2.5 now and 2.5

7446
05:34:39,360 --> 05:34:39,680
later.

7447
05:34:39,680 --> 05:34:41,760
>> Yeah. If if we have to get concurrence

7448
05:34:41,760 --> 05:34:44,480
from the county that they're going to um

7449
05:34:44,480 --> 05:34:46,718
we don't have our ILA signed, which we

7450
05:34:46,718 --> 05:34:48,320
know it's just a matter of getting it

7451
05:34:48,320 --> 05:34:50,638
signed for the Westport Parkway

7452
05:34:50,638 --> 05:34:53,280
Schoolhouse intersection. We we need to

7453
05:34:53,280 --> 05:34:54,958
get them on board saying that, yeah,

7454
05:34:54,958 --> 05:34:57,040
we'll come in and build this road. If we

7455
05:34:57,040 --> 05:34:59,280
can do that, then that's that shaves

7456
05:34:59,280 --> 05:35:00,798
potentially

7457
05:35:00,798 --> 05:35:04,320
6 to $800,000 off that 500 or that $5

7458
05:35:04,320 --> 05:35:06,000
million project. But we won't be able to

7459
05:35:06,000 --> 05:35:08,558
do that for the next few months. So, we

7460
05:35:08,558 --> 05:35:11,360
were thinking if we could just keep some

7461
05:35:11,360 --> 05:35:15,120
money in there and then somehow split

7462
05:35:15,120 --> 05:35:18,958
the project into two phases,

7463
05:35:18,958 --> 05:35:21,360
that would be a logical path forward. I

7464
05:35:21,360 --> 05:35:22,878
know that doesn't help solve your

7465
05:35:22,878 --> 05:35:26,240
>> So, you're talking building the uh

7466
05:35:26,240 --> 05:35:30,240
fenced area, which is almost 4 acres.

7467
05:35:30,240 --> 05:35:32,000
>> That's right. Is that correct?

7468
05:35:32,000 --> 05:35:34,638
>> Yes, sir. and

7469
05:35:34,638 --> 05:35:39,760
the foundations, the buildings, get as

7470
05:35:39,760 --> 05:35:42,480
far as you can on all of that.

7471
05:35:42,480 --> 05:35:44,000
Is that correct?

7472
05:35:44,000 --> 05:35:46,160
>> Um, that's one way to do it. Or

7473
05:35:46,160 --> 05:35:49,200
>> no, no. What are you suggesting to do?

7474
05:35:49,200 --> 05:35:51,200
>> Well, I'm s What I'm suggesting is that

7475
05:35:51,200 --> 05:35:52,878
we move forward with the design and

7476
05:35:52,878 --> 05:35:54,400
construction of three standalone

7477
05:35:54,400 --> 05:35:56,638
buildings right there as one package.

7478
05:35:56,638 --> 05:35:59,040
>> Yeah. The other package would include

7479
05:35:59,040 --> 05:36:01,520
the fencing, the road, the yard, and the

7480
05:36:01,520 --> 05:36:03,280
utilities to support those three

7481
05:36:03,280 --> 05:36:04,400
standalone buildings.

7482
05:36:04,400 --> 05:36:07,680
>> And you're suggesting the roads first,

7483
05:36:07,680 --> 05:36:09,760
>> correct?

7484
05:36:09,760 --> 05:36:12,000
>> Well, it would all just be one project.

7485
05:36:12,000 --> 05:36:13,920
>> Well, that's what I'm saying. The road

7486
05:36:13,920 --> 05:36:15,360
the because you you keep talking about

7487
05:36:15,360 --> 05:36:16,400
breaking it apart into two.

7488
05:36:16,400 --> 05:36:17,760
>> I think the the buildings are going to

7489
05:36:17,760 --> 05:36:19,920
take longer, I think, than the utilities

7490
05:36:19,920 --> 05:36:22,240
and the road. So, if we could get those

7491
05:36:22,240 --> 05:36:24,160
going,

7492
05:36:24,160 --> 05:36:26,400
continue the design of the buildings,

7493
05:36:26,400 --> 05:36:28,480
get those out for bid, let's say

7494
05:36:28,480 --> 05:36:29,760
October,

7495
05:36:29,760 --> 05:36:31,680
>> and by the time they're really trying to

7496
05:36:31,680 --> 05:36:33,280
get anything going on the site, you're

7497
05:36:33,280 --> 05:36:35,040
talking probably after the first of the

7498
05:36:35,040 --> 05:36:35,520
year,

7499
05:36:35,520 --> 05:36:35,840
>> okay,

7500
05:36:35,840 --> 05:36:37,600
>> we'll have plenty of time at that point

7501
05:36:37,600 --> 05:36:40,320
to get the county to be on board on

7502
05:36:40,320 --> 05:36:41,760
whether or not they would construct the

7503
05:36:41,760 --> 05:36:43,840
roadway. At a minimum, we know we're

7504
05:36:43,840 --> 05:36:46,240
going to have the materials. we could

7505
05:36:46,240 --> 05:36:49,360
finish a separate set of civil plans for

7506
05:36:49,360 --> 05:36:51,840
the uh grading, fencing, road, and

7507
05:36:51,840 --> 05:36:54,000
utilities and just have that as a

7508
05:36:54,000 --> 05:36:56,000
separate package. So that that would be

7509
05:36:56,000 --> 05:36:58,000
the the way I would recommend you

7510
05:36:58,000 --> 05:37:01,120
implement this as a two-phase project.

7511
05:37:01,120 --> 05:37:03,920
And I I we're we're running out of time

7512
05:37:03,920 --> 05:37:06,080
to try to figure out before your

7513
05:37:06,080 --> 05:37:08,400
budget's adopted exactly what the

7514
05:37:08,400 --> 05:37:11,120
dollars are going to be, right? But I'm

7515
05:37:11,120 --> 05:37:13,120
what I'm hoping and I think we'll be

7516
05:37:13,120 --> 05:37:15,840
able to get to the point that that 5.1

7517
05:37:15,840 --> 05:37:20,160
could probably be more like 4.1 or 4.3

7518
05:37:20,160 --> 05:37:21,920
if the county is able to construct the

7519
05:37:21,920 --> 05:37:22,400
road.

7520
05:37:22,400 --> 05:37:23,760
>> Agreed. So, what do you need this year

7521
05:37:23,760 --> 05:37:25,120
to try to get the county to do that

7522
05:37:25,120 --> 05:37:27,200
road? That's the question. Is the 2.5 or

7523
05:37:27,200 --> 05:37:29,840
do you need the full 4? What do you need

7524
05:37:29,840 --> 05:37:32,000
this year?

7525
05:37:32,000 --> 05:37:34,240
I think we would need um

7526
05:37:34,240 --> 05:37:36,798
>> I let me I'm going to interrupt

7527
05:37:36,798 --> 05:37:39,440
>> knowing knowing the knowing your

7528
05:37:39,440 --> 05:37:42,480
workload and all the things that have to

7529
05:37:42,480 --> 05:37:45,360
come together to think that you can get

7530
05:37:45,360 --> 05:37:48,160
through and the architect and structure

7531
05:37:48,160 --> 05:37:51,920
and everybody else get a design and get

7532
05:37:51,920 --> 05:37:56,080
it out to bid that's and have anything

7533
05:37:56,080 --> 05:38:00,160
to construct within a fiscal year is not

7534
05:38:00,160 --> 05:38:02,160
going to Mayor, can I can I not be

7535
05:38:02,160 --> 05:38:03,360
interrupted because we agreed to that

7536
05:38:03,360 --> 05:38:05,040
last time. I would ask you before I

7537
05:38:05,040 --> 05:38:07,680
spoke and you wouldn't interrupt. Mike,

7538
05:38:07,680 --> 05:38:09,520
what do you think you need this year?

7539
05:38:09,520 --> 05:38:12,160
>> I think we I think the 2.5 would be

7540
05:38:12,160 --> 05:38:15,760
adequate to get the buildings designed

7541
05:38:15,760 --> 05:38:18,958
and under contract. Now, how much of

7542
05:38:18,958 --> 05:38:21,040
that would be left? I won't know that

7543
05:38:21,040 --> 05:38:23,120
for probably at least two weeks because

7544
05:38:23,120 --> 05:38:24,798
we got to get with the architect, figure

7545
05:38:24,798 --> 05:38:28,000
out how it's going to finish out. Um, so

7546
05:38:28,000 --> 05:38:30,080
any any remaining funds could go to the

7547
05:38:30,080 --> 05:38:32,320
rest of the project. And if you're

7548
05:38:32,320 --> 05:38:35,520
asking should how much more of the 5.1

7549
05:38:35,520 --> 05:38:38,160
should we try to give you to get going

7550
05:38:38,160 --> 05:38:39,920
on the road and the utilities? Is that

7551
05:38:39,920 --> 05:38:40,718
what I'm

7552
05:38:40,718 --> 05:38:41,680
>> Yes.

7553
05:38:41,680 --> 05:38:42,240
>> Um,

7554
05:38:42,240 --> 05:38:43,200
>> ballpark.

7555
05:38:43,200 --> 05:38:46,878
>> Let's say um 750,000.

7556
05:38:46,878 --> 05:38:49,040
>> So you would need us to take you to 3.25

7557
05:38:49,040 --> 05:38:50,400
million this year,

7558
05:38:50,400 --> 05:38:53,360
>> right? I think that's reasonable for

7559
05:38:53,360 --> 05:38:56,798
this next fiscal year. How much how much

7560
05:38:56,798 --> 05:38:57,760
I don't know if you already said it

7561
05:38:57,760 --> 05:39:00,000
while ago, but [clears throat] by us

7562
05:39:00,000 --> 05:39:02,480
using the reused asphalt from the other

7563
05:39:02,480 --> 05:39:04,718
three projects, stockpiling it and

7564
05:39:04,718 --> 05:39:06,320
already having that on site, how much do

7565
05:39:06,320 --> 05:39:07,520
you think that's going to save us from

7566
05:39:07,520 --> 05:39:09,200
having to go buy new asphalt and we can

7567
05:39:09,200 --> 05:39:09,760
reuse that?

7568
05:39:09,760 --> 05:39:12,160
>> I think that could save 6 to 800,000 off

7569
05:39:12,160 --> 05:39:13,120
that estimate.

7570
05:39:13,120 --> 05:39:15,760
>> So us adding the 750,000 this year could

7571
05:39:15,760 --> 05:39:18,320
save us 6 to 800,000 correct in the

7572
05:39:18,320 --> 05:39:21,360
following. Okay. And Mike, just one more

7573
05:39:21,360 --> 05:39:23,200
time, the left part that says total

7574
05:39:23,200 --> 05:39:25,280
sight area 3.759.

7575
05:39:25,280 --> 05:39:27,680
What is that fenced in area for? Just

7576
05:39:27,680 --> 05:39:29,920
debris or what? What is that area

7577
05:39:29,920 --> 05:39:31,040
utilized for?

7578
05:39:31,040 --> 05:39:32,718
>> That area right there. Yeah.

7579
05:39:32,718 --> 05:39:34,558
>> Well, that's that's for just

7580
05:39:34,558 --> 05:39:36,638
>> that's our brush our brush and limb day

7581
05:39:36,638 --> 05:39:38,000
drop off area. That's where we're going

7582
05:39:38,000 --> 05:39:40,160
to keep spoils or anything. Okay. But

7583
05:39:40,160 --> 05:39:42,160
mainly brush and limb is what we're

7584
05:39:42,160 --> 05:39:43,040
expecting there.

7585
05:39:43,040 --> 05:39:44,080
>> Okay. And then what are we doing with

7586
05:39:44,080 --> 05:39:45,760
the old building?

7587
05:39:45,760 --> 05:39:47,120
>> We're going to keep using it.

7588
05:39:47,120 --> 05:39:49,040
>> We will keep using it. And the long-term

7589
05:39:49,040 --> 05:39:51,120
plan would be to ever to be completely

7590
05:39:51,120 --> 05:39:52,878
in this section over here and that'd be

7591
05:39:52,878 --> 05:39:54,638
open to something else. Okay. We think

7592
05:39:54,638 --> 05:39:56,638
long-term plans there would require some

7593
05:39:56,638 --> 05:39:58,798
ma massive reworking just because of the

7594
05:39:58,798 --> 05:40:00,878
drainage issues we've always had there.

7595
05:40:00,878 --> 05:40:02,798
Everything there is too low by

7596
05:40:02,798 --> 05:40:04,558
comparison or lots of work would have to

7597
05:40:04,558 --> 05:40:06,160
happen around us.

7598
05:40:06,160 --> 05:40:08,480
>> And this new plan still keeps all the

7599
05:40:08,480 --> 05:40:12,240
utilities available, easements a open,

7600
05:40:12,240 --> 05:40:14,878
gas wells accessible, all those things,

7601
05:40:14,878 --> 05:40:15,840
right?

7602
05:40:15,840 --> 05:40:17,360
>> Yes. They would still continue to use

7603
05:40:17,360 --> 05:40:19,680
that gas hall road which is our driveway

7604
05:40:19,680 --> 05:40:21,840
and then the access road up here would

7605
05:40:21,840 --> 05:40:23,840
be unencumbered by all those gas line

7606
05:40:23,840 --> 05:40:25,920
easements and the issues that were

7607
05:40:25,920 --> 05:40:26,718
related to them.

7608
05:40:26,718 --> 05:40:29,600
>> Okay. So 750,000 is what he needs.

7609
05:40:29,600 --> 05:40:31,920
>> Yeah. I do I was coming in today willing

7610
05:40:31,920 --> 05:40:34,320
to go up to the full 5 million. So if

7611
05:40:34,320 --> 05:40:37,680
you think only that's 3.25 is sufficient

7612
05:40:37,680 --> 05:40:38,878
then I'm I'm definitely okay.

7613
05:40:38,878 --> 05:40:40,638
>> I think I think that's enough to get us

7614
05:40:40,638 --> 05:40:43,200
through this next year. I I think that's

7615
05:40:43,200 --> 05:40:44,638
>> and then the rest next year whatever's

7616
05:40:44,638 --> 05:40:44,958
left.

7617
05:40:44,958 --> 05:40:47,840
>> Yeah. And then Mike to go to the mayor's

7618
05:40:47,840 --> 05:40:50,558
kind of comment about, you know, your

7619
05:40:50,558 --> 05:40:53,440
guys' ability. Where does Belchip and

7620
05:40:53,440 --> 05:40:54,878
Associates sit with the amount of work?

7621
05:40:54,878 --> 05:40:57,520
This is going to be a heavy engineering

7622
05:40:57,520 --> 05:40:59,520
prepping for construction year. Can you

7623
05:40:59,520 --> 05:41:01,200
guys handle all that? What is your

7624
05:41:01,200 --> 05:41:01,920
response to that?

7625
05:41:01,920 --> 05:41:04,958
>> Yeah, we we've we've got um eight eight

7626
05:41:04,958 --> 05:41:07,360
full-time folks there at the office now.

7627
05:41:07,360 --> 05:41:10,400
Back when we used to work for you guys

7628
05:41:10,400 --> 05:41:13,120
in earnest, we we had three besides

7629
05:41:13,120 --> 05:41:16,160
George. So, we're capable. We've we've

7630
05:41:16,160 --> 05:41:18,320
uh we're not working for the town of

7631
05:41:18,320 --> 05:41:21,760
Ponder anymore, who was a big um uh

7632
05:41:21,760 --> 05:41:24,080
client of ours up and that's that's

7633
05:41:24,080 --> 05:41:26,000
within the last 3 months. So, we we have

7634
05:41:26,000 --> 05:41:28,080
the manpower to put on these projects.

7635
05:41:28,080 --> 05:41:29,600
>> So, there's nothing we budgeted for this

7636
05:41:29,600 --> 05:41:31,040
year that you would not be able to hit

7637
05:41:31,040 --> 05:41:32,558
the necessary deadlines to achieve.

7638
05:41:32,558 --> 05:41:34,240
>> No, we can we can we can achieve

7639
05:41:34,240 --> 05:41:35,440
everything in this budget.

7640
05:41:35,440 --> 05:41:37,040
>> Okay. I just want to make sure. And then

7641
05:41:37,040 --> 05:41:38,400
one other thing, you weren't here last

7642
05:41:38,400 --> 05:41:42,638
Saturday. We put um $100,000 for a town

7643
05:41:42,638 --> 05:41:45,440
hall future vision um potentially

7644
05:41:45,440 --> 05:41:47,040
considering actually the front of this

7645
05:41:47,040 --> 05:41:51,360
public works land for a town hall or

7646
05:41:51,360 --> 05:41:53,360
somewhere else in the city. Do you think

7647
05:41:53,360 --> 05:41:55,760
that's enough to get us going? Um we

7648
05:41:55,760 --> 05:41:57,040
didn't want to spend a ton because we

7649
05:41:57,040 --> 05:41:59,040
want to work on our strategic plan, but

7650
05:41:59,040 --> 05:42:01,040
we also wanted to put funds available

7651
05:42:01,040 --> 05:42:02,958
for you to start considering locations

7652
05:42:02,958 --> 05:42:05,680
in the town um and more prepare us for

7653
05:42:05,680 --> 05:42:06,320
next year.

7654
05:42:06,320 --> 05:42:08,320
>> Yeah. And we've got an associate that

7655
05:42:08,320 --> 05:42:10,878
might be a good um source for some of

7656
05:42:10,878 --> 05:42:13,520
that work, too. But yeah, 100 100,000 is

7657
05:42:13,520 --> 05:42:15,040
more than adequate to put something

7658
05:42:15,040 --> 05:42:16,320
together. You're talking about for this

7659
05:42:16,320 --> 05:42:17,200
piece right here?

7660
05:42:17,200 --> 05:42:21,440
>> Yeah. Well, it was it was an idea.

7661
05:42:21,440 --> 05:42:23,040
>> But just come up with something that

7662
05:42:23,040 --> 05:42:24,400
could fit into a space

7663
05:42:24,400 --> 05:42:28,000
>> potentially. Some offices and places for

7664
05:42:28,000 --> 05:42:30,558
people to meet concrete

7665
05:42:30,558 --> 05:42:33,360
>> for our growing staff.

7666
05:42:33,360 --> 05:42:34,958
>> I'm done.

7667
05:42:34,958 --> 05:42:37,040
>> Anything else? I have a question.

7668
05:42:37,040 --> 05:42:38,798
>> Yes, sir.

7669
05:42:38,798 --> 05:42:41,440
>> What is that road needed for

7670
05:42:41,440 --> 05:42:42,798
>> to get to the

7671
05:42:42,798 --> 05:42:45,280
>> No, it Well, public works would be the

7672
05:42:45,280 --> 05:42:47,280
only thing out there

7673
05:42:47,280 --> 05:42:49,760
>> and they currently use schoolhouse road

7674
05:42:49,760 --> 05:42:52,878
or that road off of schoolhouse road.

7675
05:42:52,878 --> 05:42:55,360
>> James talked about this a few weeks ago.

7676
05:42:55,360 --> 05:42:58,400
>> So, what is that new road down to the

7677
05:42:58,400 --> 05:43:02,320
south and into that four?

7678
05:43:02,320 --> 05:43:03,840
>> James talked about this a few weeks ago

7679
05:43:03,840 --> 05:43:05,520
at a city council meeting. need

7680
05:43:05,520 --> 05:43:09,430
>> I I didn't

7681
05:43:09,440 --> 05:43:14,080
I don't uh I'm asking the question now.

7682
05:43:14,080 --> 05:43:16,638
>> What is that road needed for?

7683
05:43:16,638 --> 05:43:18,320
>> So they get 18 wheelers in there.

7684
05:43:18,320 --> 05:43:19,840
>> James, can you can you bring

7685
05:43:19,840 --> 05:43:21,920
>> James can answer that or Mike Anderson?

7686
05:43:21,920 --> 05:43:23,840
And Mike Anderson designed it. What's it

7687
05:43:23,840 --> 05:43:26,718
needed for?

7688
05:43:26,718 --> 05:43:29,120
>> Access to the public works and building

7689
05:43:29,120 --> 05:43:30,558
services department.

7690
05:43:30,558 --> 05:43:31,920
>> Building services

7691
05:43:31,920 --> 05:43:34,000
>> including 18. You're planning on putting

7692
05:43:34,000 --> 05:43:35,440
building services out here.

7693
05:43:35,440 --> 05:43:37,600
>> Yeah, we talked about take and yeah, not

7694
05:43:37,600 --> 05:43:39,360
having the rental fee here. That's one

7695
05:43:39,360 --> 05:43:40,798
of the options is one of them there.

7696
05:43:40,798 --> 05:43:43,120
>> I want to give you an example and this

7697
05:43:43,120 --> 05:43:47,440
is about using taxpayer money.

7698
05:43:47,440 --> 05:43:52,000
>> Let's say that that road ends up costing

7699
05:43:52,000 --> 05:43:53,680
the city,

7700
05:43:53,680 --> 05:43:57,200
>> I don't know, $750,000.

7701
05:43:57,200 --> 05:44:00,878
Probably $1.5 million road, right? Let's

7702
05:44:00,878 --> 05:44:03,280
say we save half of it through the

7703
05:44:03,280 --> 05:44:05,280
county.

7704
05:44:05,280 --> 05:44:06,878
$750,000.

7705
05:44:06,878 --> 05:44:09,280
Take a calculator.

7706
05:44:09,280 --> 05:44:13,120
Take $750,000. Divide $38,000

7707
05:44:13,120 --> 05:44:17,440
into it. And how many years will it take

7708
05:44:17,440 --> 05:44:20,718
to recoup that money? If you're doing it

7709
05:44:20,718 --> 05:44:22,558
only for building services,

7710
05:44:22,558 --> 05:44:24,400
>> not just for them. Last future

7711
05:44:24,400 --> 05:44:25,760
development [clears throat] for that for

7712
05:44:25,760 --> 05:44:28,080
that other side of 77 acres. And there

7713
05:44:28,080 --> 05:44:29,200
was an issue.

7714
05:44:29,200 --> 05:44:31,360
>> There was future development. I I also

7715
05:44:31,360 --> 05:44:32,558
mentioned and

7716
05:44:32,558 --> 05:44:34,080
>> future development of what?

7717
05:44:34,080 --> 05:44:36,240
>> The other side of the road.

7718
05:44:36,240 --> 05:44:37,680
>> Other side.

7719
05:44:37,680 --> 05:44:38,000
>> Okay.

7720
05:44:38,000 --> 05:44:40,400
>> M Mr. Mayor, can No. Can Can we Can

7721
05:44:40,400 --> 05:44:42,480
>> Are you talking about the 40 acres on

7722
05:44:42,480 --> 05:44:43,280
the south side?

7723
05:44:43,280 --> 05:44:45,120
>> He just doesn't want this one.

7724
05:44:45,120 --> 05:44:46,000
>> Mr. Mayor.

7725
05:44:46,000 --> 05:44:47,840
>> Yes.

7726
05:44:47,840 --> 05:44:49,840
Maybe about a month ago, James Tucker

7727
05:44:49,840 --> 05:44:51,680
got up and stood at the podium and gave

7728
05:44:51,680 --> 05:44:54,638
a big presentation of why

7729
05:44:54,638 --> 05:44:57,600
we cannot do this up here because of

7730
05:44:57,600 --> 05:44:59,280
utilities, those gas ements and stuff

7731
05:44:59,280 --> 05:45:00,798
and he said we could not do that up

7732
05:45:00,798 --> 05:45:02,958
there and it's not good. So that's why

7733
05:45:02,958 --> 05:45:05,600
they came up with this new road right

7734
05:45:05,600 --> 05:45:06,878
here.

7735
05:45:06,878 --> 05:45:08,718
>> James, do you mind spend just a few

7736
05:45:08,718 --> 05:45:10,558
minutes and explain that again because

7737
05:45:10,558 --> 05:45:11,760
it's

7738
05:45:11,760 --> 05:45:13,040
>> but he doesn't understand.

7739
05:45:13,040 --> 05:45:13,680
>> Yeah.

7740
05:45:13,680 --> 05:45:15,600
>> Well, what was you know? I find it

7741
05:45:15,600 --> 05:45:18,638
interesting. I listen to your questions.

7742
05:45:18,638 --> 05:45:21,120
I don't tell you or comment about your

7743
05:45:21,120 --> 05:45:23,360
questions, but every one of you are

7744
05:45:23,360 --> 05:45:26,718
chiding me for asking a question.

7745
05:45:26,718 --> 05:45:28,320
>> But he went every one of you.

7746
05:45:28,320 --> 05:45:29,520
>> I think the issue is that

7747
05:45:29,520 --> 05:45:31,840
>> is that professional is that working?

7748
05:45:31,840 --> 05:45:33,520
>> Chris hasn't said a word. Chris has not

7749
05:45:33,520 --> 05:45:35,920
said a word about Chris hasn't said a

7750
05:45:35,920 --> 05:45:36,718
word.

7751
05:45:36,718 --> 05:45:39,200
>> Not every one of us has is frustrating.

7752
05:45:39,200 --> 05:45:41,040
>> Well, majority of you looking at all

7753
05:45:41,040 --> 05:45:41,920
three of you now.

7754
05:45:41,920 --> 05:45:42,798
>> So then there So

7755
05:45:42,798 --> 05:45:46,558
>> So James, Mr. Tucker, would you explain

7756
05:45:46,558 --> 05:45:49,600
to that why that road is needed?

7757
05:45:49,600 --> 05:45:51,840
>> All right. This road was was put on here

7758
05:45:51,840 --> 05:45:55,200
and was suggested because of the gas

7759
05:45:55,200 --> 05:45:57,440
lines that are in the way to make this

7760
05:45:57,440 --> 05:45:59,680
for public access to get down to it. Gas

7761
05:45:59,680 --> 05:46:01,600
lines, we have not ever come up with an

7762
05:46:01,600 --> 05:46:04,320
exact number, but the uh based on what

7763
05:46:04,320 --> 05:46:06,160
engineering knows about the typical

7764
05:46:06,160 --> 05:46:08,160
rules of crossing gas lines, they are

7765
05:46:08,160 --> 05:46:09,440
not going to let us construct a

7766
05:46:09,440 --> 05:46:11,360
permanent access road over at least one

7767
05:46:11,360 --> 05:46:13,440
of the gathering lines. and we'd have to

7768
05:46:13,440 --> 05:46:15,200
cross the line at at least like a 90

7769
05:46:15,200 --> 05:46:18,240
degree angle, which could be possible,

7770
05:46:18,240 --> 05:46:20,160
but the utilities that have to be

7771
05:46:20,160 --> 05:46:22,160
extended along that road would only ever

7772
05:46:22,160 --> 05:46:25,840
service the public works building um and

7773
05:46:25,840 --> 05:46:28,558
really nobody else. And the cost

7774
05:46:28,558 --> 05:46:29,920
difference, I mean, there is a cost

7775
05:46:29,920 --> 05:46:31,840
difference to provide them on this other

7776
05:46:31,840 --> 05:46:33,600
road, but more people would benefit from

7777
05:46:33,600 --> 05:46:35,600
them. So, that's what we suggest. would

7778
05:46:35,600 --> 05:46:37,200
benefit what people

7779
05:46:37,200 --> 05:46:39,040
>> any the there's a neighboring piece of

7780
05:46:39,040 --> 05:46:40,958
property if things ever develop there

7781
05:46:40,958 --> 05:46:42,718
they could utilize the water and sewer

7782
05:46:42,718 --> 05:46:46,080
as well and anything else

7783
05:46:46,080 --> 05:46:47,520
you to

7784
05:46:47,520 --> 05:46:50,400
>> do a development for the other property

7785
05:46:50,400 --> 05:46:52,000
>> that was just one of the possible um

7786
05:46:52,000 --> 05:46:53,760
positives of being proactive is what is

7787
05:46:53,760 --> 05:46:54,558
I think what we were saying

7788
05:46:54,558 --> 05:46:55,760
>> which is something this city has

7789
05:46:55,760 --> 05:46:56,480
struggled with

7790
05:46:56,480 --> 05:47:00,470
>> I see

7791
05:47:00,480 --> 05:47:02,240
I'm just asking you know the use of

7792
05:47:02,240 --> 05:47:02,798
money

7793
05:47:02,798 --> 05:47:04,080
>> that's a great question because we want

7794
05:47:04,080 --> 05:47:05,600
to make sure that Yeah, the money that's

7795
05:47:05,600 --> 05:47:08,878
being spent is going to be a useful way

7796
05:47:08,878 --> 05:47:10,000
to spend it. So,

7797
05:47:10,000 --> 05:47:12,000
>> uh the other thing I want to mention is

7798
05:47:12,000 --> 05:47:15,280
about thinking about uh putting building

7799
05:47:15,280 --> 05:47:17,840
services there. Now, that whole idea,

7800
05:47:17,840 --> 05:47:19,920
that old compound and that whole idea

7801
05:47:19,920 --> 05:47:23,920
emanated from the mayor years ago

7802
05:47:23,920 --> 05:47:27,600
and uh the idea when it could been we

7803
05:47:27,600 --> 05:47:29,440
were looking at thinking that it could

7804
05:47:29,440 --> 05:47:33,920
be put on the west side of the existing

7805
05:47:33,920 --> 05:47:36,958
public works building that I I thought,

7806
05:47:36,958 --> 05:47:40,240
well, you know, that would be a

7807
05:47:40,240 --> 05:47:42,718
we could put building services up there

7808
05:47:42,718 --> 05:47:46,718
with them. we could save $38,000 a year,

7809
05:47:46,718 --> 05:47:49,280
36 at that time.

7810
05:47:49,280 --> 05:47:53,040
Well, what we've learned or actually

7811
05:47:53,040 --> 05:47:55,360
public works and planning and everybody

7812
05:47:55,360 --> 05:47:57,360
learned here in the last few months, you

7813
05:47:57,360 --> 05:48:01,280
can't put it up here on the west side.

7814
05:48:01,280 --> 05:48:05,600
So that's why it's on the east side now.

7815
05:48:05,600 --> 05:48:09,360
And with regard to building services

7816
05:48:09,360 --> 05:48:13,520
over there, then that becomes that is a

7817
05:48:13,520 --> 05:48:16,558
an office used by the public and that

7818
05:48:16,558 --> 05:48:21,040
becomes almost a hidden spot. The

7819
05:48:21,040 --> 05:48:25,360
as far as ease of access and service to

7820
05:48:25,360 --> 05:48:28,400
uh those folks who get permits and

7821
05:48:28,400 --> 05:48:30,320
building inspections and things of that

7822
05:48:30,320 --> 05:48:32,160
nature,

7823
05:48:32,160 --> 05:48:34,080
you can't find a better place than where

7824
05:48:34,080 --> 05:48:35,440
it's at right now.

7825
05:48:35,440 --> 05:48:37,680
>> Were you saying that was 37? What was

7826
05:48:37,680 --> 05:48:38,400
the amount?

7827
05:48:38,400 --> 05:48:39,360
>> 38,000.

7828
05:48:39,360 --> 05:48:41,680
>> How much? 38,000 is what he's used

7829
05:48:41,680 --> 05:48:43,920
>> currently. It's 44,400 and that doesn't

7830
05:48:43,920 --> 05:48:45,760
include the the insurance. Is that I was

7831
05:48:45,760 --> 05:48:46,878
talking about the public the rental?

7832
05:48:46,878 --> 05:48:48,400
>> I'm not talking about just the rental of

7833
05:48:48,400 --> 05:48:48,798
the

7834
05:48:48,798 --> 05:48:49,760
>> That's what she's talking about.

7835
05:48:49,760 --> 05:48:50,480
>> 38,000.

7836
05:48:50,480 --> 05:48:54,798
>> It's 37,000 this year, which is 44,400.

7837
05:48:54,798 --> 05:48:56,160
>> I just want to get my numbers right. And

7838
05:48:56,160 --> 05:48:58,160
then there's is there also liability? Is

7839
05:48:58,160 --> 05:48:59,680
there also insurance that we're paying?

7840
05:48:59,680 --> 05:49:01,280
>> But also all the storage fees that we

7841
05:49:01,280 --> 05:49:03,920
have for the library, for parks board,

7842
05:49:03,920 --> 05:49:04,240
for

7843
05:49:04,240 --> 05:49:06,000
>> No, not I'm talking about very

7844
05:49:06,000 --> 05:49:07,920
specifically building services. I am

7845
05:49:07,920 --> 05:49:09,680
too. But you were talking about $38,000

7846
05:49:09,680 --> 05:49:11,280
that we would save.

7847
05:49:11,280 --> 05:49:14,080
>> It's 44,000 include all

7848
05:49:14,080 --> 05:49:15,120
>> 44,400.

7849
05:49:15,120 --> 05:49:16,240
>> I know.

7850
05:49:16,240 --> 05:49:19,280
>> Also, all the storage fees took right

7851
05:49:19,280 --> 05:49:20,240
now groups.

7852
05:49:20,240 --> 05:49:22,080
>> Well, no, that's already in that was

7853
05:49:22,080 --> 05:49:25,920
never uh building services would not be

7854
05:49:25,920 --> 05:49:27,440
providing storage area. I'm talking

7855
05:49:27,440 --> 05:49:28,878
about just the relocation.

7856
05:49:28,878 --> 05:49:29,680
>> Those buildings

7857
05:49:29,680 --> 05:49:30,718
>> building services

7858
05:49:30,718 --> 05:49:32,480
>> and those buildings would also include

7859
05:49:32,480 --> 05:49:33,200
storage.

7860
05:49:33,200 --> 05:49:35,760
>> Yeah. So, this is going to wipe out like

7861
05:49:35,760 --> 05:49:38,958
$50,000 plus a year that we're spending

7862
05:49:38,958 --> 05:49:39,520
right now.

7863
05:49:39,520 --> 05:49:40,798
>> I'm looking at rent.

7864
05:49:40,798 --> 05:49:42,000
>> Can I ask that we get back to the

7865
05:49:42,000 --> 05:49:42,718
agenda?

7866
05:49:42,718 --> 05:49:44,080
>> But this is not on the agenda. That's

7867
05:49:44,080 --> 05:49:45,360
what I'm saying. Can we get back to the

7868
05:49:45,360 --> 05:49:45,840
agenda?

7869
05:49:45,840 --> 05:49:49,840
>> Is that this road was needed because

7870
05:49:49,840 --> 05:49:51,280
>> technically this isn't on the agenda.

7871
05:49:51,280 --> 05:49:53,840
>> An improved road for the public to go to

7872
05:49:53,840 --> 05:49:56,160
building services. That's what I was

7873
05:49:56,160 --> 05:49:56,480
told.

7874
05:49:56,480 --> 05:49:58,160
>> Mayor, technically we have not told the

7875
05:49:58,160 --> 05:49:59,440
public we're discussing this building.

7876
05:49:59,440 --> 05:50:00,958
It's not even on the budget. It's not

7877
05:50:00,958 --> 05:50:02,160
something we're considering the

7878
05:50:02,160 --> 05:50:04,638
>> Oh, now you you want to I'm just

7879
05:50:04,638 --> 05:50:05,120
bringing it down.

7880
05:50:05,120 --> 05:50:08,000
>> You know what? I I see the bias here.

7881
05:50:08,000 --> 05:50:09,120
Anyway, it's not

7882
05:50:09,120 --> 05:50:11,920
>> If I took 700

7883
05:50:11,920 --> 05:50:17,040
>> $50,000 and divided 30 or $44,000 a year

7884
05:50:17,040 --> 05:50:19,760
into it, it takes 17 years to get your

7885
05:50:19,760 --> 05:50:20,400
money back.

7886
05:50:20,400 --> 05:50:22,080
>> The bias here is that we don't want a

7887
05:50:22,080 --> 05:50:23,360
horse arena and we don't want a

7888
05:50:23,360 --> 05:50:25,040
community garden. I know those are what

7889
05:50:25,040 --> 05:50:26,718
have you have planned for that that

7890
05:50:26,718 --> 05:50:28,480
land. But what we decided that's what

7891
05:50:28,480 --> 05:50:29,760
that land was bought for.

7892
05:50:29,760 --> 05:50:31,360
>> But we have decided that absolutely not

7893
05:50:31,360 --> 05:50:31,920
true.

7894
05:50:31,920 --> 05:50:33,760
>> It is true. I was on capital and that

7895
05:50:33,760 --> 05:50:35,360
was purchased and that is not true. That

7896
05:50:35,360 --> 05:50:36,160
was not true statement.

7897
05:50:36,160 --> 05:50:37,040
>> It is true.

7898
05:50:37,040 --> 05:50:39,520
>> That might be why you are telling people

7899
05:50:39,520 --> 05:50:43,040
that absolutely not property for us.

7900
05:50:43,040 --> 05:50:45,200
>> An executive session was the only time

7901
05:50:45,200 --> 05:50:46,958
in question was ever mentioned until a

7902
05:50:46,958 --> 05:50:48,718
public town hall meeting where it was

7903
05:50:48,718 --> 05:50:50,718
talked about. But at council when I was

7904
05:50:50,718 --> 05:50:52,320
on it and we talked about it, it was

7905
05:50:52,320 --> 05:50:54,558
>> Oh, an open session. No, it wasn't say

7906
05:50:54,558 --> 05:50:56,240
it's fought very specifically. And it

7907
05:50:56,240 --> 05:50:57,760
>> Wait, so you're disclosing executive

7908
05:50:57,760 --> 05:50:58,558
session?

7909
05:50:58,558 --> 05:51:00,000
>> No, he already that's already been done.

7910
05:51:00,000 --> 05:51:00,480
But um

7911
05:51:00,480 --> 05:51:01,680
>> he already did that.

7912
05:51:01,680 --> 05:51:03,120
>> But we said we wanted to wait and see

7913
05:51:03,120 --> 05:51:08,638
what the citizens wanted in that area. I have the notes. I have We can That was

7914
05:51:08,638 --> 05:51:12,718
not purchased for that specifically by council approving that.

7915
05:51:12,718 --> 05:51:14,558
>> Either way, this is not on this agenda.

7916
05:51:14,558 --> 05:51:16,718
>> No, this is on the agenda. Oh, you don't

7917
05:51:16,718 --> 05:51:19,760
want to talk about this.

7918
05:51:19,760 --> 05:51:21,440
>> I'm talking about this has very

7919
05:51:21,440 --> 05:51:24,638
specifically relates to the budget. It's

7920
05:51:24,638 --> 05:51:28,638
investing money in a an element for a

7921
05:51:28,638 --> 05:51:30,718
particular reason. It's all about money.

7922
05:51:30,718 --> 05:51:32,400
That's what this budget is about.

7923
05:51:32,400 --> 05:51:33,680
>> No matter what we're building, the

7924
05:51:33,680 --> 05:51:35,760
public works office, which they need the

7925
05:51:35,760 --> 05:51:38,718
road to access and for the residents to

7926
05:51:38,718 --> 05:51:40,480
be able to access that drop off point. I

7927
05:51:40,480 --> 05:51:42,480
forget what you referred to it as, which

7928
05:51:42,480 --> 05:51:45,920
means we have to build that other road.

7929
05:51:45,920 --> 05:51:46,400
>> Mr.

7930
05:51:46,400 --> 05:51:48,480
>> Well, that's that's not particularly

7931
05:51:48,480 --> 05:51:50,480
true. You don't have to. Oh, we've

7932
05:51:50,480 --> 05:51:51,840
decided to

7933
05:51:51,840 --> 05:51:53,760
>> I I you know, I just wanted to ask the

7934
05:51:53,760 --> 05:51:55,760
question.

7935
05:51:55,760 --> 05:51:57,120
>> Can I ask a question? Can I

7936
05:51:57,120 --> 05:51:58,718
>> maybe Maybe he might write up something.

7937
05:51:58,718 --> 05:52:00,160
The mayor can't ask questions.

7938
05:52:00,160 --> 05:52:02,000
>> No, you can ask questions. I'm just

7939
05:52:02,000 --> 05:52:03,840
talking about office being built right

7940
05:52:03,840 --> 05:52:04,240
now.

7941
05:52:04,240 --> 05:52:06,000
>> Thank you very much. I am glad I got

7942
05:52:06,000 --> 05:52:06,798
your permission.

7943
05:52:06,798 --> 05:52:08,000
>> Mr. Mayor.

7944
05:52:08,000 --> 05:52:09,680
>> Yes.

7945
05:52:09,680 --> 05:52:12,000
>> Over here.

7946
05:52:12,000 --> 05:52:13,760
>> I was not saying while ago you couldn't

7947
05:52:13,760 --> 05:52:16,878
ask a question. That was not my my

7948
05:52:16,878 --> 05:52:19,040
statement. I was just referencing.

7949
05:52:19,040 --> 05:52:20,958
Thanks. Thanks for coming back. I was

7950
05:52:20,958 --> 05:52:23,440
just referencing that about a month ago,

7951
05:52:23,440 --> 05:52:25,440
Mr. Tucker gave a long presentation

7952
05:52:25,440 --> 05:52:27,600
during city council meeting, an update

7953
05:52:27,600 --> 05:52:29,520
on the public works building. He told

7954
05:52:29,520 --> 05:52:31,520
why we needed the new road and why we

7955
05:52:31,520 --> 05:52:33,600
could not use the old road because of

7956
05:52:33,600 --> 05:52:36,320
utilities. I was just telling you that

7957
05:52:36,320 --> 05:52:38,480
to save all this discussion when you

7958
05:52:38,480 --> 05:52:40,400
answer that question that he already had

7959
05:52:40,400 --> 05:52:44,080
a presentation for it and you can ask

7960
05:52:44,080 --> 05:52:45,840
him at a later time why that road is not

7961
05:52:45,840 --> 05:52:47,920
done, why we need this new road. He gave

7962
05:52:47,920 --> 05:52:49,680
a long drawn out multiple PowerPoint

7963
05:52:49,680 --> 05:52:51,440
deal of why the road is. So

7964
05:52:51,440 --> 05:52:52,080
>> that's good.

7965
05:52:52,080 --> 05:52:53,520
>> That's that's what I was trying I was

7966
05:52:53,520 --> 05:52:54,958
not saying I wouldn't say you could ask

7967
05:52:54,958 --> 05:52:56,320
questions. You can

7968
05:52:56,320 --> 05:52:58,240
>> I was just reference he already said

7969
05:52:58,240 --> 05:52:59,200
that and we

7970
05:52:59,200 --> 05:53:00,400
>> I appreciate that.

7971
05:53:00,400 --> 05:53:00,878
>> Yes, sir.

7972
05:53:00,878 --> 05:53:03,440
>> Thank you very much.

7973
05:53:03,440 --> 05:53:06,638
>> All right. Okay. Are we done with

7974
05:53:06,638 --> 05:53:07,920
facilities?

7975
05:53:07,920 --> 05:53:10,000
>> Yes. So, we're not going to talk about a

7976
05:53:10,000 --> 05:53:13,200
library and the remodel of this one, but

7977
05:53:13,200 --> 05:53:16,000
we're going to talk about let's build a

7978
05:53:16,000 --> 05:53:18,718
monument called a city hall complex. Is

7979
05:53:18,718 --> 05:53:18,878
that

7980
05:53:18,878 --> 05:53:19,680
>> Well, you said you were going to talk

7981
05:53:19,680 --> 05:53:20,160
about the library.

7982
05:53:20,160 --> 05:53:22,320
>> 25 to $30 million. That's what you're

7983
05:53:22,320 --> 05:53:23,120
talking about.

7984
05:53:23,120 --> 05:53:24,080
>> You said we were going to come back and

7985
05:53:24,080 --> 05:53:25,440
talk about the library. We're not doing

7986
05:53:25,440 --> 05:53:25,840
that.

7987
05:53:25,840 --> 05:53:27,280
>> Are we going to talk about the library?

7988
05:53:27,280 --> 05:53:28,000
That's what you said.

7989
05:53:28,000 --> 05:53:30,160
>> The library The librarian said last

7990
05:53:30,160 --> 05:53:31,760
librarian has said multiple times that

7991
05:53:31,760 --> 05:53:34,160
we she wants to wait. The librarians or

7992
05:53:34,160 --> 05:53:37,440
I mean, sorry. Anyway, the library man I

7993
05:53:37,440 --> 05:53:39,200
mean did you Marcy?

7994
05:53:39,200 --> 05:53:41,280
>> I didn't get the final decision on the

7995
05:53:41,280 --> 05:53:44,320
public works. Are we adding 750,000 to

7996
05:53:44,320 --> 05:53:45,280
>> for now? Yes.

7997
05:53:45,280 --> 05:53:46,160
>> Okay.

7998
05:53:46,160 --> 05:53:47,120
>> Our our

7999
05:53:47,120 --> 05:53:52,320
>> Okay. Library is the thought was

8000
05:53:52,320 --> 05:53:55,280
>> that this larger library almost double

8001
05:53:55,280 --> 05:53:58,160
the size of what we have now can be

8002
05:53:58,160 --> 05:54:01,120
built. they will fully utilize every as

8003
05:54:01,120 --> 05:54:06,958
inch of it and offer the citizenry

8004
05:54:06,958 --> 05:54:10,240
much more and also it consolidates their

8005
05:54:10,240 --> 05:54:12,240
programs. They don't have to be walking

8006
05:54:12,240 --> 05:54:14,320
out of the library across the parking

8007
05:54:14,320 --> 05:54:17,600
lots to come into this room. This what

8008
05:54:17,600 --> 05:54:19,760
they use this room for can be contained

8009
05:54:19,760 --> 05:54:23,120
in that one building that one building.

8010
05:54:23,120 --> 05:54:27,600
They can rain or shine they do this. So

8011
05:54:27,600 --> 05:54:30,798
then that frees up the existing library.

8012
05:54:30,798 --> 05:54:32,798
is a little over

8013
05:54:32,798 --> 05:54:35,920
4,000 square ft. It's much bigger than

8014
05:54:35,920 --> 05:54:38,878
these offices over here, but one wing of

8015
05:54:38,878 --> 05:54:41,520
it could be dedicated for council

8016
05:54:41,520 --> 05:54:43,680
chambers. That eliminates the swapping

8017
05:54:43,680 --> 05:54:45,200
out of chairs and furniture and

8018
05:54:45,200 --> 05:54:47,840
arrangements in here that happen all the

8019
05:54:47,840 --> 05:54:50,000
time for every meeting we have. You

8020
05:54:50,000 --> 05:54:54,320
know, PNC, this meeting, that meeting, So that would eliminate

8021
05:54:54,320 --> 05:54:56,480
public works efforts.

8022
05:54:56,480 --> 05:54:59,600
The also a council chamber in that same

8023
05:54:59,600 --> 05:55:02,480
wing could be provided for the count or

8024
05:55:02,480 --> 05:55:05,840
not council chambers but a boardroom for

8025
05:55:05,840 --> 05:55:08,000
executive session meetings could be

8026
05:55:08,000 --> 05:55:12,320
included. The other wing

8027
05:55:12,320 --> 05:55:15,760
could be all city offices. Additional

8028
05:55:15,760 --> 05:55:19,680
offices that is needed. It's needed now.

8029
05:55:19,680 --> 05:55:22,798
It would retain these existing offices,

8030
05:55:22,798 --> 05:55:26,240
but it then it has the capability that

8031
05:55:26,240 --> 05:55:29,200
this existing could be coupled

8032
05:55:29,200 --> 05:55:32,718
structurally with that library to make a

8033
05:55:32,718 --> 05:55:37,200
much larger city hall office area.

8034
05:55:37,200 --> 05:55:38,878
>> What's the proposed location of the

8035
05:55:38,878 --> 05:55:40,240
library? There's no land purchase

8036
05:55:40,240 --> 05:55:40,878
currently.

8037
05:55:40,878 --> 05:55:41,680
>> No, no, ma'am.

8038
05:55:41,680 --> 05:55:43,920
>> So, what what where would the library

8039
05:55:43,920 --> 05:55:47,840
possibly be located? the

8040
05:55:47,840 --> 05:55:49,360
me see if I have that.

8041
05:55:49,360 --> 05:55:51,440
>> Mr. Mayor, I I guess I have a problem

8042
05:55:51,440 --> 05:55:53,200
with this because the our I mean I think

8043
05:55:53,200 --> 05:55:54,958
we do need a new library. I'm 100% on

8044
05:55:54,958 --> 05:55:57,920
board with that. But we need to think

8045
05:55:57,920 --> 05:55:59,760
realization. Right now, our librarian,

8046
05:55:59,760 --> 05:56:02,958
our head librarian, Miss Kelly, has said

8047
05:56:02,958 --> 05:56:04,958
last two years,

8048
05:56:04,958 --> 05:56:06,480
we want to wait until at least a year

8049
05:56:06,480 --> 05:56:08,558
that Fort Worth is open down the street.

8050
05:56:08,558 --> 05:56:10,718
See how that impacts us and see what we

8051
05:56:10,718 --> 05:56:13,200
need to do for that. if it really hurts

8052
05:56:13,200 --> 05:56:16,958
us, then we'll think about what we need

8053
05:56:16,958 --> 05:56:19,120
to do. Uh, but she said, "We need to

8054
05:56:19,120 --> 05:56:21,440
wait." She has said that multiple times.

8055
05:56:21,440 --> 05:56:23,360
And then, and I know you want a new

8056
05:56:23,360 --> 05:56:26,000
library. We all do. We do. We know this

8057
05:56:26,000 --> 05:56:28,000
one's We know this one's too small. It

8058
05:56:28,000 --> 05:56:30,000
was built good years ago, but it's too

8059
05:56:30,000 --> 05:56:32,718
small now, but right now, we just we

8060
05:56:32,718 --> 05:56:34,080
need to wait. And she has said we need

8061
05:56:34,080 --> 05:56:35,920
to wait. But I know you're full throttle

8062
05:56:35,920 --> 05:56:38,798
on this.

8063
05:56:38,798 --> 05:56:40,718
>> Where is that?

8064
05:56:40,718 --> 05:56:45,520
>> So, you're taking out some houses.

8065
05:56:45,520 --> 05:56:46,958
>> Where's this park?

8066
05:56:46,958 --> 05:56:47,360
>> Yeah.

8067
05:56:47,360 --> 05:56:49,840
>> So, is this my property that I own?

8068
05:56:49,840 --> 05:56:52,638
>> Is that your property?

8069
05:56:52,638 --> 05:56:54,558
>> Is that my property that I own on Gamble

8070
05:56:54,558 --> 05:56:55,200
Street?

8071
05:56:55,200 --> 05:56:56,320
>> Is that your property?

8072
05:56:56,320 --> 05:56:57,680
>> That's why I'm asking you. It's your

8073
05:56:57,680 --> 05:56:58,480
document.

8074
05:56:58,480 --> 05:56:59,280
>> Yes.

8075
05:56:59,280 --> 05:57:00,958
>> Well, I don't know if that is your

8076
05:57:00,958 --> 05:57:01,440
property.

8077
05:57:01,440 --> 05:57:03,280
>> The property that's right park.

8078
05:57:03,280 --> 05:57:05,920
>> The if you got Gamble Park, there's an

8079
05:57:05,920 --> 05:57:08,320
empty lot and then there's a small house

8080
05:57:08,320 --> 05:57:11,200
to the west of those are both hers. owns

8081
05:57:11,200 --> 05:57:12,958
the so is that

8082
05:57:12,958 --> 05:57:15,120
>> so that but yes to answer your question

8083
05:57:15,120 --> 05:57:15,920
that's where that is

8084
05:57:15,920 --> 05:57:18,958
>> property at 105 it's not for sale so I

8085
05:57:18,958 --> 05:57:20,798
don't that's the first I've seen of a

8086
05:57:20,798 --> 05:57:23,280
library on it but I can tell you that

8087
05:57:23,280 --> 05:57:25,600
for myself my property is not for sale

8088
05:57:25,600 --> 05:57:27,680
and I don't think my mom's is next door

8089
05:57:27,680 --> 05:57:28,160
for sale

8090
05:57:28,160 --> 05:57:29,360
>> but nonetheless um

8091
05:57:29,360 --> 05:57:32,320
>> nonetheless um not going to put a bl is

8092
05:57:32,320 --> 05:57:34,718
that is where that would be

8093
05:57:34,718 --> 05:57:35,440
>> that's not

8094
05:57:35,440 --> 05:57:37,200
>> that's where it's proposed and that was

8095
05:57:37,200 --> 05:57:39,440
purely for site location

8096
05:57:39,440 --> 05:57:41,680
>> Mr. for property that's not owned by the

8097
05:57:41,680 --> 05:57:42,480
city.

8098
05:57:42,480 --> 05:57:43,920
>> Before you do this, you just got to talk

8099
05:57:43,920 --> 05:57:46,320
to the property owners. This is

8100
05:57:46,320 --> 05:57:47,840
>> Yeah, I'm going to kind of recuse myself

8101
05:57:47,840 --> 05:57:49,280
from this conversation because I didn't

8102
05:57:49,280 --> 05:57:52,000
know anything about that at all. So, I'm

8103
05:57:52,000 --> 05:57:52,480
just going to

8104
05:57:52,480 --> 05:57:53,280
>> Mr. Mayor.

8105
05:57:53,280 --> 05:57:53,920
>> Yes.

8106
05:57:53,920 --> 05:57:55,440
>> Recuse myself. Right after I got on

8107
05:57:55,440 --> 05:57:58,000
council last year, I [clears throat] saw

8108
05:57:58,000 --> 05:58:00,320
a uh rendering.

8109
05:58:00,320 --> 05:58:06,080
>> I saw a rendering of downtown HLlett

8110
05:58:06,080 --> 05:58:09,440
that had previously been done and it

8111
05:58:09,440 --> 05:58:12,080
included a re redevelopment of all of

8112
05:58:12,080 --> 05:58:14,160
downtown Hlett and new municipal

8113
05:58:14,160 --> 05:58:16,240
buildings and all of that. And you

8114
05:58:16,240 --> 05:58:17,600
killed that project when you became

8115
05:58:17,600 --> 05:58:20,958
mayor is what I was was what I was told.

8116
05:58:20,958 --> 05:58:22,878
It was I think was it part of the

8117
05:58:22,878 --> 05:58:25,680
strategic plan or comprehensive plan?

8118
05:58:25,680 --> 05:58:27,360
>> No, we didn't we didn't do a downtown.

8119
05:58:27,360 --> 05:58:30,160
>> There was no I I don't I don't think it

8120
05:58:30,160 --> 05:58:33,040
was any particular

8121
05:58:33,040 --> 05:58:35,920
plan.

8122
05:58:35,920 --> 05:58:36,798
>> Well,

8123
05:58:36,798 --> 05:58:39,040
>> was it in an ordinance or something or

8124
05:58:39,040 --> 05:58:42,000
an official plan? Just not an official

8125
05:58:42,000 --> 05:58:43,040
never adopted.

8126
05:58:43,040 --> 05:58:44,958
>> I I don't know what you're talking about

8127
05:58:44,958 --> 05:58:45,280
then.

8128
05:58:45,280 --> 05:58:48,240
>> Okay. But

8129
05:58:48,240 --> 05:58:50,558
as as my fellow council members have

8130
05:58:50,558 --> 05:58:54,080
said, there's a new library going in for

8131
05:58:54,080 --> 05:58:54,718
Fort Worth,

8132
05:58:54,718 --> 05:58:55,120
>> right?

8133
05:58:55,120 --> 05:58:56,080
over there.

8134
05:58:56,080 --> 05:58:56,878
>> Right.

8135
05:58:56,878 --> 05:59:00,718
>> And everybody in our library has said

8136
05:59:00,718 --> 05:59:01,920
they want to wait to see what that

8137
05:59:01,920 --> 05:59:04,638
impact is going to be before we spend

8138
05:59:04,638 --> 05:59:06,080
how many millions of dollars do you have

8139
05:59:06,080 --> 05:59:07,040
on the library here?

8140
05:59:07,040 --> 05:59:07,440
>> Seven.

8141
05:59:07,440 --> 05:59:08,160
>> Eight million.

8142
05:59:08,160 --> 05:59:09,040
>> Eight.

8143
05:59:09,040 --> 05:59:11,760
>> 8 million on a library.

8144
05:59:11,760 --> 05:59:14,320
I love the library. I wish it had been

8145
05:59:14,320 --> 05:59:16,718
built bigger than it is now. And I I I

8146
05:59:16,718 --> 05:59:18,160
understand probably when it was built

8147
05:59:18,160 --> 05:59:19,520
there were certain constraints and only

8148
05:59:19,520 --> 05:59:22,160
so much money. I get all that and it

8149
05:59:22,160 --> 05:59:23,600
does need to be bigger if we're going to

8150
05:59:23,600 --> 05:59:25,520
continue to have a library for it to do

8151
05:59:25,520 --> 05:59:27,120
all the things that they would like to

8152
05:59:27,120 --> 05:59:30,958
do. But

8153
05:59:30,958 --> 05:59:32,798
we don't have $8 million to build a

8154
05:59:32,798 --> 05:59:34,718
library that nobody's asking for that we

8155
05:59:34,718 --> 05:59:36,080
don't know the impact of what that other

8156
05:59:36,080 --> 05:59:37,680
library is going to be. So, at the very

8157
05:59:37,680 --> 05:59:40,798
least, our library project is at least

8158
05:59:40,798 --> 05:59:42,958
three to five years out before we would

8159
05:59:42,958 --> 05:59:44,080
actually be building it. So, I don't

8160
05:59:44,080 --> 05:59:46,080
think it's appropriate to be having an

8161
05:59:46,080 --> 05:59:47,680
argument right now.

8162
05:59:47,680 --> 05:59:50,798
>> Part of my job, I see the needs now.

8163
05:59:50,798 --> 05:59:51,440
>> We do too.

8164
05:59:51,440 --> 05:59:54,240
>> From my perspective, I we need a bigger

8165
05:59:54,240 --> 05:59:55,200
library now.

8166
05:59:55,200 --> 05:59:56,080
>> Everybody knows that.

8167
05:59:56,080 --> 05:59:59,840
>> And we also need more city office space

8168
05:59:59,840 --> 06:00:00,480
now.

8169
06:00:00,480 --> 06:00:02,080
>> We needed that a long time ago.

8170
06:00:02,080 --> 06:00:08,240
>> Yes. And this is a very economical

8171
06:00:08,240 --> 06:00:10,320
approach to acquire boat.

8172
06:00:10,320 --> 06:00:12,798
>> Could a Could a tad search been done

8173
06:00:12,798 --> 06:00:13,920
prior to?

8174
06:00:13,920 --> 06:00:14,480
>> Madam,

8175
06:00:14,480 --> 06:00:17,120
>> could a TAD search have been done prior

8176
06:00:17,120 --> 06:00:20,798
to see who even owned that property?

8177
06:00:20,798 --> 06:00:22,400
the

8178
06:00:22,400 --> 06:00:26,080
there I'll say there are many instances

8179
06:00:26,080 --> 06:00:29,520
where in city planning plans are made

8180
06:00:29,520 --> 06:00:32,000
irregardless of the property owner

8181
06:00:32,000 --> 06:00:33,520
>> but mayor if we were going to

8182
06:00:33,520 --> 06:00:35,600
>> if you know that the property can't be

8183
06:00:35,600 --> 06:00:37,360
acquired then okay [clears throat] go

8184
06:00:37,360 --> 06:00:38,160
change your plan

8185
06:00:38,160 --> 06:00:39,840
>> but if we were going to redevelop this

8186
06:00:39,840 --> 06:00:42,160
site why did we let them build that

8187
06:00:42,160 --> 06:00:43,360
house right there why didn't we buy

8188
06:00:43,360 --> 06:00:45,120
these two lots that have been for sale

8189
06:00:45,120 --> 06:00:46,878
just in the last two to three years

8190
06:00:46,878 --> 06:00:47,280
>> what

8191
06:00:47,280 --> 06:00:49,040
>> you would almost own this entire square

8192
06:00:49,040 --> 06:00:51,920
block right Now, it would have been easy

8193
06:00:51,920 --> 06:00:53,440
>> to redevelop this.

8194
06:00:53,440 --> 06:00:54,480
>> What are you talking about?

8195
06:00:54,480 --> 06:00:55,360
>> What do you mean? What am I talking

8196
06:00:55,360 --> 06:00:56,080
about

8197
06:00:56,080 --> 06:00:58,240
>> about by Why didn't we buy the entire

8198
06:00:58,240 --> 06:00:59,200
block?

8199
06:00:59,200 --> 06:01:01,040
>> These two lots right here next to the

8200
06:01:01,040 --> 06:01:02,798
parking lot have both been for sale in

8201
06:01:02,798 --> 06:01:04,638
the last 3 to 5 years.

8202
06:01:04,638 --> 06:01:06,718
>> Why didn't the city buy those? That

8203
06:01:06,718 --> 06:01:08,718
house is not that old. Why didn't the

8204
06:01:08,718 --> 06:01:10,638
city buy that? Then you would have the

8205
06:01:10,638 --> 06:01:13,200
land to do any expansion you want.

8206
06:01:13,200 --> 06:01:15,200
>> Hillwood owns the lot next to the

8207
06:01:15,200 --> 06:01:16,160
parking lot.

8208
06:01:16,160 --> 06:01:17,680
>> It was sold as a residential lot, not

8209
06:01:17,680 --> 06:01:18,320
even

8210
06:01:18,320 --> 06:01:20,958
>> on the end. It was a residential life.

8211
06:01:20,958 --> 06:01:23,600
>> Yes. But if the if you if you had a

8212
06:01:23,600 --> 06:01:25,280
vision

8213
06:01:25,280 --> 06:01:28,000
>> if you had a vision that was put out a

8214
06:01:28,000 --> 06:01:29,680
couple years ago, then that would have

8215
06:01:29,680 --> 06:01:30,878
been something that we could have worked

8216
06:01:30,878 --> 06:01:32,798
on step by step by step.

8217
06:01:32,798 --> 06:01:34,798
>> This sir, I didn't come up with a couple

8218
06:01:34,798 --> 06:01:35,760
years ago.

8219
06:01:35,760 --> 06:01:37,360
>> I understand. But all of a sudden,

8220
06:01:37,360 --> 06:01:38,718
you've come up with this.

8221
06:01:38,718 --> 06:01:39,520
>> Can we come back?

8222
06:01:39,520 --> 06:01:40,240
>> Is that [clears throat] Is there

8223
06:01:40,240 --> 06:01:41,360
something wrong with that?

8224
06:01:41,360 --> 06:01:42,000
>> That's fine. I just

8225
06:01:42,000 --> 06:01:44,480
>> Is there something wrong with that?

8226
06:01:44,480 --> 06:01:46,558
>> What is wrong with that? It's not a

8227
06:01:46,558 --> 06:01:48,798
vision. It [clears throat] is.

8228
06:01:48,798 --> 06:01:50,958
This is just let's distract everybody

8229
06:01:50,958 --> 06:01:52,160
and throw this down because you don't

8230
06:01:52,160 --> 06:01:54,638
want us to build something

8231
06:01:54,638 --> 06:01:57,440
distraction and throwing people off.

8232
06:01:57,440 --> 06:02:00,000
That is a vision I'm looking at. You

8233
06:02:00,000 --> 06:02:00,400
know,

8234
06:02:00,400 --> 06:02:02,000
>> I work on things one thing at a time.

8235
06:02:02,000 --> 06:02:03,840
>> Whose vision was it to build the first

8236
06:02:03,840 --> 06:02:08,390
library?

8237
06:02:08,400 --> 06:02:09,920
A lot of people work together. I don't

8238
06:02:09,920 --> 06:02:11,920
know what it but it's true.

8239
06:02:11,920 --> 06:02:13,040
>> No, I just you're

8240
06:02:13,040 --> 06:02:15,520
>> all these city offices that we work over

8241
06:02:15,520 --> 06:02:17,760
here now. What? Where did that come

8242
06:02:17,760 --> 06:02:18,638
from?

8243
06:02:18,638 --> 06:02:19,280
>> From you.

8244
06:02:19,280 --> 06:02:20,320
>> It's all about you.

8245
06:02:20,320 --> 06:02:22,638
>> It was part of the vision.

8246
06:02:22,638 --> 06:02:24,160
>> Did you build all these buildings?

8247
06:02:24,160 --> 06:02:25,280
>> I didn't build the building

8248
06:02:25,280 --> 06:02:26,798
>> and we're getting ready to update our

8249
06:02:26,798 --> 06:02:28,958
vision. We're we're working on

8250
06:02:28,958 --> 06:02:31,760
>> all I'm saying right now. I still I see

8251
06:02:31,760 --> 06:02:34,160
something that needs to occur.

8252
06:02:34,160 --> 06:02:36,958
>> I got I got two two body including the

8253
06:02:36,958 --> 06:02:39,280
librarian is telling you not that we

8254
06:02:39,280 --> 06:02:39,840
don't need

8255
06:02:39,840 --> 06:02:41,600
>> the librarian is telling you one thing

8256
06:02:41,600 --> 06:02:43,840
but tells me another.

8257
06:02:43,840 --> 06:02:44,638
>> Is that right?

8258
06:02:44,638 --> 06:02:46,480
>> Okay. Go ahead, Z. Yes.

8259
06:02:46,480 --> 06:02:50,080
>> All right. I got two questions. Um and

8260
06:02:50,080 --> 06:02:53,680
there So I guess one question if I'm

8261
06:02:53,680 --> 06:02:55,360
ever looking to like buy a property or

8262
06:02:55,360 --> 06:02:57,120
anything like that, I look on the

8263
06:02:57,120 --> 06:02:59,360
appraisal Tarant County appraisal

8264
06:02:59,360 --> 06:03:01,680
westbound website.

8265
06:03:01,680 --> 06:03:03,040
That's something I feel like that you

8266
06:03:03,040 --> 06:03:04,240
would have done if you were going to

8267
06:03:04,240 --> 06:03:08,320
look at that lot. Number two, my other

8268
06:03:08,320 --> 06:03:11,680
question is or statement or this is a

8269
06:03:11,680 --> 06:03:14,400
question. when did you have our

8270
06:03:14,400 --> 06:03:16,080
engineering company or who when did you

8271
06:03:16,080 --> 06:03:19,120
have this plan done? Um and I would like

8272
06:03:19,120 --> 06:03:23,360
an answer. I don't want to like oh blah blah because you somebody spent a

8273
06:03:23,360 --> 06:03:25,200
lot of time on that that was not done in

8274
06:03:25,200 --> 06:03:27,760
30 minutes. Somebody spent time drawing

8275
06:03:27,760 --> 06:03:30,160
out the parking lot and everything. When

8276
06:03:30,160 --> 06:03:32,240
was that? Who where did that money come

8277
06:03:32,240 --> 06:03:32,958
from that you

8278
06:03:32,958 --> 06:03:34,400
>> That was done in within the last year

8279
06:03:34,400 --> 06:03:37,120
and I had our city planner do it.

8280
06:03:37,120 --> 06:03:38,160
>> Morris

8281
06:03:38,160 --> 06:03:40,638
>> how much how much they charge us for it?

8282
06:03:40,638 --> 06:03:44,080
Well, Morris is on a it's not by hour.

8283
06:03:44,080 --> 06:03:46,320
He sent the contract.

8284
06:03:46,320 --> 06:03:48,400
>> So you had So you had So you had Morris

8285
06:03:48,400 --> 06:03:50,958
Swanky design that or draw that out, but

8286
06:03:50,958 --> 06:03:53,840
did not tell the city council. Did not

8287
06:03:53,840 --> 06:03:55,360
tell anybody that. You just throw this

8288
06:03:55,360 --> 06:03:58,878
on us on on a budget workshop.

8289
06:03:58,878 --> 06:04:00,000
>> There's no communication.

8290
06:04:00,000 --> 06:04:02,160
>> It's a concept. It's a working plan.

8291
06:04:02,160 --> 06:04:05,200
>> It doesn't matter. It's the spend.

8292
06:04:05,200 --> 06:04:08,240
I was well within my rights and legal

8293
06:04:08,240 --> 06:04:11,280
action to have the city planner take a

8294
06:04:11,280 --> 06:04:13,440
look at this. Take a look at this.

8295
06:04:13,440 --> 06:04:14,798
>> It's called agenda for today.

8296
06:04:14,798 --> 06:04:16,080
>> It's called communication with your

8297
06:04:16,080 --> 06:04:16,480
city.

8298
06:04:16,480 --> 06:04:18,798
>> This is about a budget. It's I'm trying

8299
06:04:18,798 --> 06:04:20,798
to sell get this on the budget.

8300
06:04:20,798 --> 06:04:21,760
>> Okay. And just an example.

8301
06:04:21,760 --> 06:04:22,718
>> We've already said we're not going to

8302
06:04:22,718 --> 06:04:23,520
put it on the budget.

8303
06:04:23,520 --> 06:04:24,878
>> Just because you can do something

8304
06:04:24,878 --> 06:04:26,320
doesn't mean you should. That that's

8305
06:04:26,320 --> 06:04:28,240
just a rule of life. And it's just an

8306
06:04:28,240 --> 06:04:30,080
example. when he when he went to go work

8307
06:04:30,080 --> 06:04:31,680
on the parks that came before the

8308
06:04:31,680 --> 06:04:34,080
council. I want to look for the future

8309
06:04:34,080 --> 06:04:36,000
offices in city hall. I didn't go talk

8310
06:04:36,000 --> 06:04:37,680
to Mr. Schwanki. I didn't go talk to the

8311
06:04:37,680 --> 06:04:39,520
engineer. I came before council and I

8312
06:04:39,520 --> 06:04:41,280
said, "Hey guys, you want to put in some

8313
06:04:41,280 --> 06:04:43,200
money for this?" And they said, "Just a

8314
06:04:43,200 --> 06:04:44,240
little bit because we're starting on

8315
06:04:44,240 --> 06:04:46,160
this strategic plan." That is what

8316
06:04:46,160 --> 06:04:48,400
working together as a city looks like.

8317
06:04:48,400 --> 06:04:51,360
And that eliminates waste because right

8318
06:04:51,360 --> 06:04:54,000
now you're getting no one's interested

8319
06:04:54,000 --> 06:04:56,240
in a library and on top of it you put it

8320
06:04:56,240 --> 06:04:57,760
on someone's land that isn't even

8321
06:04:57,760 --> 06:04:59,360
available. If you'd just come before

8322
06:04:59,360 --> 06:05:01,120
council and said you had this idea we

8323
06:05:01,120 --> 06:05:04,080
could have predisussed our concerns and

8324
06:05:04,080 --> 06:05:06,958
that's just what we're kind of I what I

8325
06:05:06,958 --> 06:05:09,120
at least am a council member am asking

8326
06:05:09,120 --> 06:05:11,040
you to start coming before council and

8327
06:05:11,040 --> 06:05:13,200
saying your ideas and hearing out our

8328
06:05:13,200 --> 06:05:14,798
opinions and concerns on it before you

8329
06:05:14,798 --> 06:05:16,080
just go move forward.

8330
06:05:16,080 --> 06:05:18,080
>> It's just called communication and it's

8331
06:05:18,080 --> 06:05:20,718
We all today,

8332
06:05:20,718 --> 06:05:22,878
>> it's just communication. And I know you

8333
06:05:22,878 --> 06:05:24,638
don't like us, but it's communication.

8334
06:05:24,638 --> 06:05:26,080
>> No, I like communication.

8335
06:05:26,080 --> 06:05:27,840
>> No, us, not us.

8336
06:05:27,840 --> 06:05:30,400
>> No, I you know, it's like I invited

8337
06:05:30,400 --> 06:05:32,080
every one of you to meet with me

8338
06:05:32,080 --> 06:05:34,000
developing this budget over three weeks

8339
06:05:34,000 --> 06:05:38,320
ago. No one took wanted to meet

8340
06:05:38,320 --> 06:05:39,600
>> because that's not normal to meet

8341
06:05:39,600 --> 06:05:40,240
individually.

8342
06:05:40,240 --> 06:05:41,280
>> It is. It's not.

8343
06:05:41,280 --> 06:05:44,000
>> It is. Madam, you're two months old in

8344
06:05:44,000 --> 06:05:45,360
this whole process. How do you

8345
06:05:45,360 --> 06:05:47,760
>> I've never once in eight years met with

8346
06:05:47,760 --> 06:05:48,558
Bob Golden.

8347
06:05:48,558 --> 06:05:51,360
>> But you were never invited. But I there

8348
06:05:51,360 --> 06:05:52,798
is nothing wrong. There's nothing

8349
06:05:52,798 --> 06:05:54,000
illegal about it.

8350
06:05:54,000 --> 06:05:56,638
>> And what was the responsible

8351
06:05:56,638 --> 06:05:58,320
>> practices being transparent?

8352
06:05:58,320 --> 06:05:59,920
>> It was not being transparent.

8353
06:05:59,920 --> 06:06:01,840
>> Correct. That's what my email said.

8354
06:06:01,840 --> 06:06:04,240
>> Maybe this meeting that the group of you

8355
06:06:04,240 --> 06:06:06,718
had three weeks ago or whenever it was

8356
06:06:06,718 --> 06:06:08,320
that I walked in on

8357
06:06:08,320 --> 06:06:09,600
>> that's not transparent.

8358
06:06:09,600 --> 06:06:10,958
>> That you joined you were part of as

8359
06:06:10,958 --> 06:06:12,718
well. There were respectfully there were

8360
06:06:12,718 --> 06:06:13,920
two council members and

8361
06:06:13,920 --> 06:06:14,878
>> say anything about it.

8362
06:06:14,878 --> 06:06:16,320
>> There were two council members and we

8363
06:06:16,320 --> 06:06:18,320
reserved the boardroom so it was quite

8364
06:06:18,320 --> 06:06:18,958
transparent.

8365
06:06:18,958 --> 06:06:20,480
>> I was never given the courtesy of the

8366
06:06:20,480 --> 06:06:22,240
budget but you it's not required.

8367
06:06:22,240 --> 06:06:23,600
>> It was there was they were talking about

8368
06:06:23,600 --> 06:06:26,400
these projects that were but it's about

8369
06:06:26,400 --> 06:06:27,600
the budget.

8370
06:06:27,600 --> 06:06:30,558
>> No projects were being considered for

8371
06:06:30,558 --> 06:06:33,120
you when we first saw the 10ear plan for

8372
06:06:33,120 --> 06:06:33,600
the first time.

8373
06:06:33,600 --> 06:06:36,240
>> I see the adversity to the library or

8374
06:06:36,240 --> 06:06:39,280
anything else. So I won't may I probably

8375
06:06:39,280 --> 06:06:43,360
s even say anything about the need for

8376
06:06:43,360 --> 06:06:46,958
the community center and pavilion as to

8377
06:06:46,958 --> 06:06:50,080
what that opens up. You know one of the

8378
06:06:50,080 --> 06:06:55,280
things that I think is being ignored is

8379
06:06:55,280 --> 06:06:58,000
both the social and cultural needs of

8380
06:06:58,000 --> 06:07:01,360
asset over 1 million 1.1 million towards

8381
06:07:01,360 --> 06:07:05,200
a park. the parks is not uh you know

8382
06:07:05,200 --> 06:07:08,878
that's that's a recreational type thing.

8383
06:07:08,878 --> 06:07:13,840
I'm talking about somewhere for uh the

8384
06:07:13,840 --> 06:07:19,760
cultural and social interaction and the

8385
06:07:19,760 --> 06:07:23,600
a community center

8386
06:07:23,600 --> 06:07:24,718
better than this.

8387
06:07:24,718 --> 06:07:27,760
>> I don't think anyone say a pavilion

8388
06:07:27,760 --> 06:07:29,680
serves that very purpose. then you're

8389
06:07:29,680 --> 06:07:31,760
actually growing community.

8390
06:07:31,760 --> 06:07:33,440
>> I I agree with you on the community

8391
06:07:33,440 --> 06:07:34,958
center and I don't think anybody is

8392
06:07:34,958 --> 06:07:36,558
saying no to a community center. We're

8393
06:07:36,558 --> 06:07:38,480
saying and they even said this to me on

8394
06:07:38,480 --> 06:07:40,718
the town hall. It's we need to update

8395
06:07:40,718 --> 06:07:43,040
our strategic plan

8396
06:07:43,040 --> 06:07:45,120
>> before we start budgeting for these

8397
06:07:45,120 --> 06:07:47,040
larger projects and focus on the road.

8398
06:07:47,040 --> 06:07:49,360
>> We have to update your strategic plan. I

8399
06:07:49,360 --> 06:07:50,400
haven't heard that conversation.

8400
06:07:50,400 --> 06:07:52,000
>> We talked about it in a city council

8401
06:07:52,000 --> 06:07:55,280
meeting. I heard that you want to

8402
06:07:55,280 --> 06:07:55,840
>> and

8403
06:07:55,840 --> 06:07:57,040
>> but I haven't [laughter] heard any

8404
06:07:57,040 --> 06:08:00,320
somebody come out and say the city

8405
06:08:00,320 --> 06:08:01,360
citizens want to

8406
06:08:01,360 --> 06:08:03,920
>> and the number one item anyway is

8407
06:08:03,920 --> 06:08:06,000
>> and mayor Hollyy and the number one item

8408
06:08:06,000 --> 06:08:07,840
is a is a rec center. So that is a that

8409
06:08:07,840 --> 06:08:09,280
is a need from the citizens. I don't

8410
06:08:09,280 --> 06:08:10,558
know about community center but

8411
06:08:10,558 --> 06:08:12,718
>> a rec center rec center is number one

8412
06:08:12,718 --> 06:08:14,160
>> and I even offered that we could build a

8413
06:08:14,160 --> 06:08:15,920
rec center with a community meeting

8414
06:08:15,920 --> 06:08:17,040
space in it

8415
06:08:17,040 --> 06:08:20,638
>> on the 76 acres. Well, you know, this

8416
06:08:20,638 --> 06:08:24,480
community center and pavilion total is

8417
06:08:24,480 --> 06:08:26,400
>> $3 million or less.

8418
06:08:26,400 --> 06:08:29,040
>> You mean the one we've already the

8419
06:08:29,040 --> 06:08:30,400
pricing of it

8420
06:08:30,400 --> 06:08:33,440
>> and that is

8421
06:08:33,440 --> 06:08:34,638
>> You mean the one that you try to get the

8422
06:08:34,638 --> 06:08:36,080
federal government to pay for with your

8423
06:08:36,080 --> 06:08:37,760
fraudulent application?

8424
06:08:37,760 --> 06:08:40,718
>> Okay. Can Can we get back on task? We're

8425
06:08:40,718 --> 06:08:42,638
saying no to the library.

8426
06:08:42,638 --> 06:08:43,440
>> You are.

8427
06:08:43,440 --> 06:08:45,280
>> I read the application. You put on here

8428
06:08:45,280 --> 06:08:46,958
that we're a food desert and there were

8429
06:08:46,958 --> 06:08:49,120
economically depressed. I was advised to

8430
06:08:49,120 --> 06:08:51,280
put that on there at that time. You know

8431
06:08:51,280 --> 06:08:53,920
what a the definition of food does?

8432
06:08:53,920 --> 06:08:55,280
>> Actually, I do. Did you know I used to

8433
06:08:55,280 --> 06:08:56,798
do a whole history?

8434
06:08:56,798 --> 06:08:59,600
>> One, there was two parts to it. One was

8435
06:08:59,600 --> 06:09:01,200
distance to a grocery store.

8436
06:09:01,200 --> 06:09:01,600
>> Uhhuh.

8437
06:09:01,600 --> 06:09:03,600
>> And we were greater than a mile.

8438
06:09:03,600 --> 06:09:06,480
>> But everybody here has greater

8439
06:09:06,480 --> 06:09:08,320
>> access by car.

8440
06:09:08,320 --> 06:09:10,958
>> It was according to definition.

8441
06:09:10,958 --> 06:09:12,958
>> The definition is a food desert where

8442
06:09:12,958 --> 06:09:14,718
people don't have access, can't get

8443
06:09:14,718 --> 06:09:17,280
there. Not just a grocery store. There's

8444
06:09:17,280 --> 06:09:18,638
a federal definition of that.

8445
06:09:18,638 --> 06:09:20,080
>> Uhhuh. I know very well the federal

8446
06:09:20,080 --> 06:09:22,958
definition of order in my previous loss.

8447
06:09:22,958 --> 06:09:23,600
>> Thank you very much.

8448
06:09:23,600 --> 06:09:25,520
>> I'm asking for a point of order. I'm

8449
06:09:25,520 --> 06:09:27,280
asking for a point of order, please.

8450
06:09:27,280 --> 06:09:28,240
>> Point of order.

8451
06:09:28,240 --> 06:09:31,200
>> Yes. Can we just get back to the agenda?

8452
06:09:31,200 --> 06:09:33,120
>> Just get back to the budget. Can we get

8453
06:09:33,120 --> 06:09:39,200
>> So, um the community center and it's a

8454
06:09:39,200 --> 06:09:41,840
social and cultural gathering place. It

8455
06:09:41,840 --> 06:09:44,400
can be done very inexpensively and

8456
06:09:44,400 --> 06:09:46,638
you're bringing together. We have, you

8457
06:09:46,638 --> 06:09:48,798
know, people move into House of Texas

8458
06:09:48,798 --> 06:09:52,240
not just from other cities but from

8459
06:09:52,240 --> 06:09:54,798
other states and from other countries.

8460
06:09:54,798 --> 06:09:58,558
We got a diversity of culture here in

8461
06:09:58,558 --> 06:09:59,760
Hassllet

8462
06:09:59,760 --> 06:10:04,240
>> and we do very little if anything to try

8463
06:10:04,240 --> 06:10:08,000
to bring these people together. Now I we

8464
06:10:08,000 --> 06:10:10,240
might individually meet and know these

8465
06:10:10,240 --> 06:10:13,040
people. I do. And but to be able to

8466
06:10:13,040 --> 06:10:19,280
provide a a venue where they can come together

8467
06:10:19,280 --> 06:10:21,840
and interact

8468
06:10:21,840 --> 06:10:26,320
uh not being a u fourth of July thing

8469
06:10:26,320 --> 06:10:29,040
but just regularly in a facility that

8470
06:10:29,040 --> 06:10:31,760
the people can use. This is for the

8471
06:10:31,760 --> 06:10:33,760
people.

8472
06:10:33,760 --> 06:10:36,080
I would strongly urge you to consider

8473
06:10:36,080 --> 06:10:38,320
this. $3 million for that kind of

8474
06:10:38,320 --> 06:10:41,120
facility

8475
06:10:41,120 --> 06:10:44,878
is very inexpensive and would reap great

8476
06:10:44,878 --> 06:10:46,160
rewards.

8477
06:10:46,160 --> 06:10:49,600
>> I I I 100% agree thousand% we need

8478
06:10:49,600 --> 06:10:51,120
something bigger than this and with all

8479
06:10:51,120 --> 06:10:53,360
the stuff that goes on in here but right

8480
06:10:53,360 --> 06:10:55,120
now what is more important community

8481
06:10:55,120 --> 06:10:56,718
center or updating our infrastructure

8482
06:10:56,718 --> 06:10:59,680
and our roads? Amen. I would take that

8483
06:10:59,680 --> 06:11:01,680
off. I think I think if you asked people

8484
06:11:01,680 --> 06:11:04,400
in the city if you put a poll on on our

8485
06:11:04,400 --> 06:11:06,000
website or anywhere else you said what's

8486
06:11:06,000 --> 06:11:07,120
more important right now community

8487
06:11:07,120 --> 06:11:09,040
center or fixing infrastructure on our

8488
06:11:09,040 --> 06:11:11,520
roads that would be overwhelming.

8489
06:11:11,520 --> 06:11:13,840
>> I'm not asking to trade anything off of

8490
06:11:13,840 --> 06:11:14,480
this.

8491
06:11:14,480 --> 06:11:16,160
>> Everybody on here thinks that we need a

8492
06:11:16,160 --> 06:11:17,680
community center. I'm pretty sure

8493
06:11:17,680 --> 06:11:18,240
>> or rec center.

8494
06:11:18,240 --> 06:11:19,520
>> A rec center.

8495
06:11:19,520 --> 06:11:22,160
>> But we we we need to work on our roads.

8496
06:11:22,160 --> 06:11:24,480
Like right now we want to fully

8497
06:11:24,480 --> 06:11:27,360
>> Mr. Gilbert. I'm not proposing to

8498
06:11:27,360 --> 06:11:29,920
eliminate any infrastructure projects.

8499
06:11:29,920 --> 06:11:32,638
those projects weren't on the bud in the

8500
06:11:32,638 --> 06:11:34,958
budget. So now we're adding those in and

8501
06:11:34,958 --> 06:11:36,878
that's going to be a significant cost

8502
06:11:36,878 --> 06:11:37,920
that wasn't budgeted.

8503
06:11:37,920 --> 06:11:39,920
>> I'd rather take those road projects.

8504
06:11:39,920 --> 06:11:41,120
>> It was budgeted.

8505
06:11:41,120 --> 06:11:42,480
>> You didn't put $1.

8506
06:11:42,480 --> 06:11:43,040
>> No, there was not.

8507
06:11:43,040 --> 06:11:44,400
>> You didn't put $1 towards road

8508
06:11:44,400 --> 06:11:46,000
improvements

8509
06:11:46,000 --> 06:11:49,040
>> in your budget. We went with uh the

8510
06:11:49,040 --> 06:11:51,520
three-year plan, four-year plan that Mr.

8511
06:11:51,520 --> 06:11:52,558
Swanky or

8512
06:11:52,558 --> 06:11:54,160
>> No, we didn't because several items were

8513
06:11:54,160 --> 06:11:54,558
missing.

8514
06:11:54,558 --> 06:11:56,480
>> There's not $1. There's some repair in

8515
06:11:56,480 --> 06:11:58,160
here, but there's not $1 for expanding

8516
06:11:58,160 --> 06:12:00,320
anything in in this budget. I'd rather

8517
06:12:00,320 --> 06:12:01,680
take that 3 million right now that

8518
06:12:01,680 --> 06:12:03,360
you're I love a community ser. I'd

8519
06:12:03,360 --> 06:12:05,520
rather take that 3 million go almost

8520
06:12:05,520 --> 06:12:10,320
fully fund the um uh John Day road or

8521
06:12:10,320 --> 06:12:11,360
put it towards our public worship

8522
06:12:11,360 --> 06:12:12,558
building. I'd rather take that money and

8523
06:12:12,558 --> 06:12:13,840
put it towards that something we really

8524
06:12:13,840 --> 06:12:15,280
need right now versus the community

8525
06:12:15,280 --> 06:12:16,320
center. Let's do the community center in

8526
06:12:16,320 --> 06:12:17,920
two years next year. I mean like let's

8527
06:12:17,920 --> 06:12:18,480
put it

8528
06:12:18,480 --> 06:12:20,320
>> another question I had on the on the

8529
06:12:20,320 --> 06:12:21,840
library as well is where's the location

8530
06:12:21,840 --> 06:12:23,440
for this proposed um

8531
06:12:23,440 --> 06:12:24,000
>> community center

8532
06:12:24,000 --> 06:12:25,520
>> facility? It might be on her property

8533
06:12:25,520 --> 06:12:25,760
again.

8534
06:12:25,760 --> 06:12:27,840
>> It' be right off of schoolhouse road.

8535
06:12:27,840 --> 06:12:29,280
It's on the 76 acres.

8536
06:12:29,280 --> 06:12:30,000
>> Oh, the same.

8537
06:12:30,000 --> 06:12:30,958
>> The 76 acres.

8538
06:12:30,958 --> 06:12:32,000
>> This was originally his community

8539
06:12:32,000 --> 06:12:32,480
garden.

8540
06:12:32,480 --> 06:12:32,718
>> Okay.

8541
06:12:32,718 --> 06:12:34,320
>> I think we all just concurred that we're

8542
06:12:34,320 --> 06:12:35,920
going to take this next year to do the

8543
06:12:35,920 --> 06:12:37,600
strategic plan. Tanya already brought it

8544
06:12:37,600 --> 06:12:40,638
forward. We are moving forward on that.

8545
06:12:40,638 --> 06:12:43,280
>> Get a vision for the city as a whole

8546
06:12:43,280 --> 06:12:45,280
because none of us speaks for the entire

8547
06:12:45,280 --> 06:12:47,920
city. We all together speak for the city

8548
06:12:47,920 --> 06:12:50,718
and see where that aligns at the end of

8549
06:12:50,718 --> 06:12:52,320
the year and consider these projects

8550
06:12:52,320 --> 06:12:53,360
next year.

8551
06:12:53,360 --> 06:12:55,120
>> Yeah, we all agree it's something we

8552
06:12:55,120 --> 06:12:56,638
need. We're not against that. We we

8553
06:12:56,638 --> 06:12:58,320
agree with you on that, but right now

8554
06:12:58,320 --> 06:13:01,280
there's other things we need to to do.

8555
06:13:01,280 --> 06:13:03,680
>> Well, I appreciate y'all taking the time

8556
06:13:03,680 --> 06:13:07,120
and letting me tell you express to why I

8557
06:13:07,120 --> 06:13:09,760
think we need it.

8558
06:13:09,760 --> 06:13:12,160
I appreciate that. Thank you very much

8559
06:13:12,160 --> 06:13:13,600
all of you.

8560
06:13:13,600 --> 06:13:14,718
>> No problem.

8561
06:13:14,718 --> 06:13:15,280
>> Can we

8562
06:13:15,280 --> 06:13:19,360
>> All right. Given that please

8563
06:13:19,360 --> 06:13:24,798
>> let's uh the next aspects of our agenda

8564
06:13:24,798 --> 06:13:31,430
tax rate.

8565
06:13:31,440 --> 06:13:33,920
Oh, updated updated paper coming.

8566
06:13:33,920 --> 06:13:36,320
>> And if we could I've been meaning to do

8567
06:13:36,320 --> 06:13:38,958
this for the last hour. Seriously, is

8568
06:13:38,958 --> 06:13:42,638
take a five minute break, please.

8569
06:13:42,638 --> 06:13:46,878
So, I recess the uh this open session at

8570
06:13:46,878 --> 06:13:50,480
3:02 p.m.

8571
06:13:50,480 --> 06:13:51,920
>> Marcy. [clears throat]

8572
06:13:51,920 --> 06:13:53,280
>> Marcy,

8573
06:13:53,280 --> 06:13:54,718
>> how long do you think this will take?

8574
06:13:54,718 --> 06:21:58,470
All right.

8575
06:21:58,480 --> 06:22:02,320
the 750. Yeah. Okay. And the 20 there

8576
06:22:02,320 --> 06:22:06,320
and the Yeah. 660 70 there. Okay. Okay.

8577
06:22:06,320 --> 06:22:47,430
Yeah. Okay. Thank

8578
06:22:47,440 --> 06:23:34,628
Are we off break yet?

8579
06:23:34,638 --> 06:23:36,320
I remember James talking about the John

8580
06:23:36,320 --> 06:23:39,280
Deere.

8581
06:23:39,280 --> 06:23:46,948
>> It was on another

8582
06:23:46,958 --> 06:23:48,480
» Tanya said that we didn't we talked

8583
06:23:48,480 --> 06:23:50,160
about your John Deere equipment and

8584
06:23:50,160 --> 06:23:51,360
stuff that you needed, but didn't we

8585
06:23:51,360 --> 06:23:53,280
approve that last week?

8586
06:23:53,280 --> 06:23:54,798
>> Uh there wasn't any comment on it. There

8587
06:23:54,798 --> 06:23:56,480
was two capital requests.

8588
06:23:56,480 --> 06:23:57,680
>> It's already in the budget.

8589
06:23:57,680 --> 06:24:06,868
>> Okay.

8590
06:24:06,878 --> 06:24:10,638
But I don't think we talked about

8591
06:24:10,638 --> 06:24:14,240
>> open session at 3:13 p.m.

8592
06:24:14,240 --> 06:24:22,708
I need to add

8593
06:24:22,718 --> 06:24:26,480
one last item. I need to now the capital

8594
06:24:26,480 --> 06:24:29,760
request that we have

8595
06:24:29,760 --> 06:24:32,240
is already included in the budget. That

8596
06:24:32,240 --> 06:24:34,480
was just very short period of time. Mr.

8597
06:24:34,480 --> 06:24:37,520
Tucker is working on a 10year plan for

8598
06:24:37,520 --> 06:24:39,360
capital.

8599
06:24:39,360 --> 06:24:44,240
But what I do have is a fire department

8600
06:24:44,240 --> 06:24:47,360
request that stands over the 10 years.

8601
06:24:47,360 --> 06:24:49,840
This being this first column here being

8602
06:24:49,840 --> 06:24:52,480
2026

8603
06:24:52,480 --> 06:24:54,558
U

8604
06:24:54,558 --> 06:24:56,638
and

8605
06:24:56,638 --> 06:25:01,120
for the 10 years that would be out to

8606
06:25:01,120 --> 06:25:03,920
3637

8607
06:25:03,920 --> 06:25:07,440
is $5.8 million.

8608
06:25:07,440 --> 06:25:09,120
>> Can you zoom out so we can see the

8609
06:25:09,120 --> 06:25:11,200
titles? They're kind of the apparatus.

8610
06:25:11,200 --> 06:25:13,040
>> What do you want to see? If you zoom out

8611
06:25:13,040 --> 06:25:15,280
one right here, we should be able to see

8612
06:25:15,280 --> 06:25:18,000
the titles over on the left.

8613
06:25:18,000 --> 06:25:19,840
>> Yes.

8614
06:25:19,840 --> 06:25:22,558
>> Scroll to the left.

8615
06:25:22,558 --> 06:25:24,480
>> Column A is a fully. There you go. Thank

8616
06:25:24,480 --> 06:25:25,440
you.

8617
06:25:25,440 --> 06:25:27,040
>> So,

8618
06:25:27,040 --> 06:25:29,840
uh, with regard to fire and medical

8619
06:25:29,840 --> 06:25:34,558
equipment, uh, rescue, uh, equipment,

8620
06:25:34,558 --> 06:25:37,840
uh, here's the projections out the

8621
06:25:37,840 --> 06:25:39,760
highlighted here. I just that's 10

8622
06:25:39,760 --> 06:25:42,958
years. He's actually got it out.

8623
06:25:42,958 --> 06:25:46,000
But for this 10 years here,

8624
06:25:46,000 --> 06:25:50,878
uh these are uh projected out

8625
06:25:50,878 --> 06:25:52,240
those are things that need to be

8626
06:25:52,240 --> 06:25:54,080
replaced. These are scheduled

8627
06:25:54,080 --> 06:25:58,480
replacements that that have to occur and

8628
06:25:58,480 --> 06:26:02,798
he is uh has taken due diligence to make

8629
06:26:02,798 --> 06:26:06,480
things last as long as he can.

8630
06:26:06,480 --> 06:26:16,230
Uh fire uh

8631
06:26:16,240 --> 06:26:18,320
Yes. 10,500.

8632
06:26:18,320 --> 06:26:21,760
>> Yeah. And uh radio that's in our budget.

8633
06:26:21,760 --> 06:26:23,280
>> That's that that's what we hadn't talked

8634
06:26:23,280 --> 06:26:25,120
about. The 41,000. I have no problems

8635
06:26:25,120 --> 06:26:26,080
with those.

8636
06:26:26,080 --> 06:26:28,638
>> Dang it.

8637
06:26:28,638 --> 06:26:32,400
>> That's a rollover from the current year.

8638
06:26:32,400 --> 06:27:28,708
>> Yes.

8639
06:27:28,718 --> 06:27:30,080
Can I

8640
06:27:30,080 --> 06:27:33,430
>> the

8641
06:27:33,440 --> 06:27:35,680
Mr. Mayor? You're not uh your light's

8642
06:27:35,680 --> 06:27:37,840
not green. Nobody can hear you.

8643
06:27:37,840 --> 06:27:40,000
>> There you are.

8644
06:27:40,000 --> 06:27:42,958
Anyway, uh to uh for recording, we just

8645
06:27:42,958 --> 06:27:46,080
covered the uh fire department 10-year

8646
06:27:46,080 --> 06:27:48,878
outlook on their replacement of planned

8647
06:27:48,878 --> 06:27:52,080
replacement cost uh for the 10 years is

8648
06:27:52,080 --> 06:27:54,878
$5.8 million.

8649
06:27:54,878 --> 06:27:57,520
Uh council, we'll get you a copy of this

8650
06:27:57,520 --> 06:28:00,478
information. Yes.

8651
06:28:00,478 --> 06:28:03,280
Um I think we mentioned something last

8652
06:28:03,280 --> 06:28:06,320
week about that the fire fire engines

8653
06:28:06,320 --> 06:28:07,760
that we need to replace them every like

8654
06:28:07,760 --> 06:28:10,240
10 years. Is that is that correct? And I

8655
06:28:10,240 --> 06:28:11,760
think we mentioned last week that

8656
06:28:11,760 --> 06:28:14,638
they're like at their 10 year mark. Is

8657
06:28:14,638 --> 06:28:16,478
that correct or is that

8658
06:28:16,478 --> 06:28:20,878
>> So a engine will last us about 15 years.

8659
06:28:20,878 --> 06:28:23,600
We're we're slower than most busier

8660
06:28:23,600 --> 06:28:25,440
departments. So we're going to last

8661
06:28:25,440 --> 06:28:27,280
longer than like city of Fort Worth is

8662
06:28:27,280 --> 06:28:28,798
going to last. So I believe in this one

8663
06:28:28,798 --> 06:28:31,280
I projected a 12-year replacement

8664
06:28:31,280 --> 06:28:34,400
>> on the engine and I'm at a 15

8665
06:28:34,400 --> 06:28:36,400
>> year replacement on the ladder truck.

8666
06:28:36,400 --> 06:28:38,558
And so, and I'm trying to estimate

8667
06:28:38,558 --> 06:28:41,040
inflation in these numbers also already

8668
06:28:41,040 --> 06:28:44,320
just to be prepared. I update this

8669
06:28:44,320 --> 06:28:46,558
pretty regularly as I'm looking at wear

8670
06:28:46,558 --> 06:28:49,280
and tear on our apparatus and also as I

8671
06:28:49,280 --> 06:28:51,360
get numbers from neighboring departments

8672
06:28:51,360 --> 06:28:54,080
that are ordering apparatus right now.

8673
06:28:54,080 --> 06:28:55,920
>> Will we ever need three fire engines or

8674
06:28:55,920 --> 06:28:59,680
do you think we'll kind of the way we're looking with two? Do you

8675
06:28:59,680 --> 06:29:01,200
think we're good with a with a regular

8676
06:29:01,200 --> 06:29:02,878
one and a lighter one or do you think

8677
06:29:02,878 --> 06:29:04,320
we'll ever need like two small and one

8678
06:29:04,320 --> 06:29:08,080
big? the uh

8679
06:29:08,080 --> 06:29:10,958
that's where I'll be trying to we we'll

8680
06:29:10,958 --> 06:29:12,558
be talking about that next year when I

8681
06:29:12,558 --> 06:29:14,478
ask about this conversion to a type

8682
06:29:14,478 --> 06:29:17,680
three. It's a small pumping apparatus.

8683
06:29:17,680 --> 06:29:20,878
Um, part of that is it helped preserve

8684
06:29:20,878 --> 06:29:23,280
the life of our larger apparatus and

8685
06:29:23,280 --> 06:29:26,320
other part is if we ever remove

8686
06:29:26,320 --> 06:29:29,120
ourselves from the ESD or if the ESD

8687
06:29:29,120 --> 06:29:31,600
decides to take their current tanker

8688
06:29:31,600 --> 06:29:33,280
back, which is the third large apparatus

8689
06:29:33,280 --> 06:29:36,080
we have in our we would need a another

8690
06:29:36,080 --> 06:29:39,280
vehicle. So, uh, so it's it's planned

8691
06:29:39,280 --> 06:29:41,680
there. Uh, things can move and like I

8692
06:29:41,680 --> 06:29:43,280
said, it gets changed regularly based

8693
06:29:43,280 --> 06:29:44,718
off the needs.

8694
06:29:44,718 --> 06:29:48,558
>> Thanks for clarifying. Yes, sir.

8695
06:29:48,558 --> 06:29:51,360
Well, that's the last capital item I

8696
06:29:51,360 --> 06:29:54,958
wanted to make you aware of.

8697
06:29:54,958 --> 06:29:57,200
>> Did we discuss the public works John

8698
06:29:57,200 --> 06:30:00,080
Deere tractor and the Chevy tracks?

8699
06:30:00,080 --> 06:30:01,680
>> I know we did because it was a third

8700
06:30:01,680 --> 06:30:03,040
over a third of a third or something

8701
06:30:03,040 --> 06:30:03,680
like that.

8702
06:30:03,680 --> 06:30:06,798
>> We did and that was last week.

8703
06:30:06,798 --> 06:30:07,840
>> Uh

8704
06:30:07,840 --> 06:30:10,400
>> the two pieces of equipment, the John

8705
06:30:10,400 --> 06:30:13,040
Deere and what was the other piece?

8706
06:30:13,040 --> 06:30:15,200
>> Chevy tracks. So there was well there

8707
06:30:15,200 --> 06:30:17,920
was one vehicle request which is for our

8708
06:30:17,920 --> 06:30:20,558
>> No, I'm talking there was two of them

8709
06:30:20,558 --> 06:30:22,080
that there was two pieces of equipment

8710
06:30:22,080 --> 06:30:24,478
the uh lease payment option.

8711
06:30:24,478 --> 06:30:27,840
>> Yeah. So there was a backhoe and a large

8712
06:30:27,840 --> 06:30:30,878
uh enclosed tractor. It's to replace two

8713
06:30:30,878 --> 06:30:34,240
>> are in the budget presently and that is

8714
06:30:34,240 --> 06:30:36,798
reflected by using the lease purchase

8715
06:30:36,798 --> 06:30:38,160
program.

8716
06:30:38,160 --> 06:30:40,798
>> Perfect. Thank you.

8717
06:30:40,798 --> 06:30:49,280
the uh janitorial vehicle that uh Mr. Tucker is speaking of, that's in

8718
06:30:49,280 --> 06:30:52,798
the budget and that's a

8719
06:30:52,798 --> 06:30:54,478
full purchase price,

8720
06:30:54,478 --> 06:30:55,760
>> correct?

8721
06:30:55,760 --> 06:30:58,400
>> I think around $20,000 or something of

8722
06:30:58,400 --> 06:31:01,600
that nature.

8723
06:31:01,600 --> 06:31:04,400
>> And that covered all his request.

8724
06:31:04,400 --> 06:31:06,080
>> Uh there was also a dump trailer in

8725
06:31:06,080 --> 06:31:06,878
there as well.

8726
06:31:06,878 --> 06:31:08,400
>> But that's in the budget as well.

8727
06:31:08,400 --> 06:31:10,798
>> Everything was in the budget. Yeah.

8728
06:31:10,798 --> 06:31:14,000
Um, so all of the I'm I think the point

8729
06:31:14,000 --> 06:31:16,080
is all the public works capital

8730
06:31:16,080 --> 06:31:18,638
equipment request are presently in the

8731
06:31:18,638 --> 06:31:21,280
budget.

8732
06:31:21,280 --> 06:31:23,280
>> So, mayor, before we go on to tax rate,

8733
06:31:23,280 --> 06:31:24,400
there's two things I wanted to go back

8734
06:31:24,400 --> 06:31:26,400
to, which is the water impact fee and

8735
06:31:26,400 --> 06:31:27,840
the sewer impact fee. Yes,

8736
06:31:27,840 --> 06:31:30,080
>> they did pull that up. Um, the water was

8737
06:31:30,080 --> 06:31:32,558
2,200 and change and you're projecting

8738
06:31:32,558 --> 06:31:34,558
80 households. So, that would mean that

8739
06:31:34,558 --> 06:31:35,600
this number

8740
06:31:35,600 --> 06:31:36,478
>> What page are you on?

8741
06:31:36,478 --> 06:31:38,240
>> I'm so sorry. 223.

8742
06:31:38,240 --> 06:31:39,200
>> Thank you.

8743
06:31:39,200 --> 06:31:41,120
Um, that does mean that this should be

8744
06:31:41,120 --> 06:31:43,680
more about half of last year's, not a

8745
06:31:43,680 --> 06:31:45,360
fourth, actually a little below a

8746
06:31:45,360 --> 06:31:47,520
fourth. It would be more about the

8747
06:31:47,520 --> 06:31:49,760
245ish

8748
06:31:49,760 --> 06:31:50,478
range.

8749
06:31:50,478 --> 06:31:53,680
>> I'll confirm that calculation

8750
06:31:53,680 --> 06:31:55,280
Monday

8751
06:31:55,280 --> 06:31:58,080
and uh that correction can still be

8752
06:31:58,080 --> 06:31:58,718
made.

8753
06:31:58,718 --> 06:31:59,920
>> Okay. And same, you'll look into the

8754
06:31:59,920 --> 06:32:01,040
sewer impact and then

8755
06:32:01,040 --> 06:32:03,600
>> both both impact these. And then going

8756
06:32:03,600 --> 06:32:05,360
back and maybe we look at this after we

8757
06:32:05,360 --> 06:32:07,520
speak taxes, but I I really do want us

8758
06:32:07,520 --> 06:32:09,360
to circle back at some point to page

8759
06:32:09,360 --> 06:32:14,320
193, the 2022 combo tax.

8760
06:32:14,320 --> 06:32:16,878
Um, the one that we're paying more

8761
06:32:16,878 --> 06:32:19,840
interest than we have principal because

8762
06:32:19,840 --> 06:32:22,478
if we paid that off this next year, if

8763
06:32:22,478 --> 06:32:24,478
that's an option, we would literally

8764
06:32:24,478 --> 06:32:27,120
make we'd break even the following year.

8765
06:32:27,120 --> 06:32:29,600
like it would be a significant a very

8766
06:32:29,600 --> 06:32:31,200
quick turnaround to paying that off if

8767
06:32:31,200 --> 06:32:33,360
it's an option to do. So I've just

8768
06:32:33,360 --> 06:32:35,440
>> Did you say pay 223

8769
06:32:35,440 --> 06:32:38,080
>> 193

8770
06:32:38,080 --> 06:32:41,440
>> we have an interest payment of 189,000

8771
06:32:41,440 --> 06:32:45,840
and a principal payment or of 165. What

8772
06:32:45,840 --> 06:32:54,150
is the total on that item?

8773
06:32:54,160 --> 06:32:56,080
I guess I just realized that's not the

8774
06:32:56,080 --> 06:32:58,160
total amount.

8775
06:32:58,160 --> 06:33:01,440
>> 354, I'm sorry, 860.

8776
06:33:01,440 --> 06:33:05,280
>> So, I mean, still that's

8777
06:33:05,280 --> 06:33:06,878
so we're supposed to pay this off in two

8778
06:33:06,878 --> 06:33:09,920
years then.

8779
06:33:09,920 --> 06:33:12,798
>> No, no, no.

8780
06:33:12,798 --> 06:33:17,750
>> Okay. Sorry.

8781
06:33:17,760 --> 06:33:18,878
» Oh, because we're paying that much

8782
06:33:18,878 --> 06:33:22,468
interest. Wow.

8783
06:33:22,478 --> 06:33:29,600
So the total due or owed 354 and change

8784
06:33:29,600 --> 06:33:32,160
which we pay that amount in one year

8785
06:33:32,160 --> 06:33:34,000
anyways.

8786
06:33:34,000 --> 06:33:35,600
So we could literally just pay it off

8787
06:33:35,600 --> 06:33:37,920
instead of paying interest. I mean can

8788
06:33:37,920 --> 06:33:39,440
we pay it off?

8789
06:33:39,440 --> 06:33:41,920
>> Uh no

8790
06:33:41,920 --> 06:33:45,190
pay

8791
06:33:45,200 --> 06:33:47,360
» oh that's

8792
06:33:47,360 --> 06:33:51,840
a million bond issue. So you

8793
06:33:51,840 --> 06:34:01,750
Okay, I see it now. I see it.

8794
06:34:01,760 --> 06:34:03,920
» I thought you were saying we owed 354.

8795
06:34:03,920 --> 06:34:08,400
>> Yeah. On on page 207. So, it's about 15

8796
06:34:08,400 --> 06:34:10,000
million you still owe.

8797
06:34:10,000 --> 06:34:10,400
>> Okay.

8798
06:34:10,400 --> 06:34:12,320
>> And I don't I don't believe there's a

8799
06:34:12,320 --> 06:34:14,638
call provision quite this soon.

8800
06:34:14,638 --> 06:34:15,920
>> No, you're good. We don't have that type

8801
06:34:15,920 --> 06:34:18,160
of money anyways. I was [laughter] it

8802
06:34:18,160 --> 06:34:20,080
was just now it makes sense why we're

8803
06:34:20,080 --> 06:34:21,360
paying so much in interest.

8804
06:34:21,360 --> 06:34:21,920
>> Yes.

8805
06:34:21,920 --> 06:34:23,920
>> Cuz it's a significant loan.

8806
06:34:23,920 --> 06:34:25,280
>> Yeah.

8807
06:34:25,280 --> 06:34:26,878
>> Does that answer your question on the

8808
06:34:26,878 --> 06:34:27,520
bonds?

8809
06:34:27,520 --> 06:34:30,400
>> It does. Was this the bond pulled for

8810
06:34:30,400 --> 06:34:31,920
that we were speaking about earlier?

8811
06:34:31,920 --> 06:34:32,798
>> Yeah.

8812
06:34:32,798 --> 06:34:35,040
>> This is the bond part of part of the

8813
06:34:35,040 --> 06:34:38,080
expenditures on the projects are fund 26

8814
06:34:38,080 --> 06:34:41,910
and fund 29.

8815
06:34:41,920 --> 06:34:45,910
» Sorry I am wring that down.

8816
06:34:45,920 --> 06:34:48,320
Can you actually by chance mark that on

8817
06:34:48,320 --> 06:34:49,680
here when you do the final run through

8818
06:34:49,680 --> 06:34:52,718
of here for the bonds? Can you mark the

8819
06:34:52,718 --> 06:34:55,840
funds that the money is in? So like for

8820
06:34:55,840 --> 06:34:58,160
this item on page 207, you said fund 26,

8821
06:34:58,160 --> 06:35:00,558
fund 29. Could you

8822
06:35:00,558 --> 06:35:01,120
>> Yes.

8823
06:35:01,120 --> 06:35:04,478
>> In 26 she said.

8824
06:35:04,478 --> 06:35:09,440
>> Yes. the one on um if if you'll look on

8825
06:35:09,440 --> 06:35:12,878
page let's see

8826
06:35:12,878 --> 06:35:15,920
look at the one on page 199

8827
06:35:15,920 --> 06:35:18,478
up at the top it shows tax supported

8828
06:35:18,478 --> 06:35:20,718
2809%.

8829
06:35:20,718 --> 06:35:21,440
>> Mhm.

8830
06:35:21,440 --> 06:35:24,558
>> That's the general fund or the the tax

8831
06:35:24,558 --> 06:35:25,920
supported piece.

8832
06:35:25,920 --> 06:35:26,320
>> Okay.

8833
06:35:26,320 --> 06:35:29,600
>> And if you look at 20 page 207 it shows

8834
06:35:29,600 --> 06:35:31,120
71.91.

8835
06:35:31,120 --> 06:35:34,080
That's the water sewer piece. Now, for

8836
06:35:34,080 --> 06:35:36,080
the purpose of the bond issue, that's

8837
06:35:36,080 --> 06:35:38,558
one bond issue.

8838
06:35:38,558 --> 06:35:41,600
>> But since it's being funded separately,

8839
06:35:41,600 --> 06:35:43,600
we don't put the whole burden on the

8840
06:35:43,600 --> 06:35:46,400
tax. If we put 17 million burden on the

8841
06:35:46,400 --> 06:35:48,638
tax, it would be

8842
06:35:48,638 --> 06:35:50,160
pretty high debt service rate.

8843
06:35:50,160 --> 06:35:51,840
>> No. Understood. Can we just add a little

8844
06:35:51,840 --> 06:35:53,440
note here so that people that don't

8845
06:35:53,440 --> 06:35:55,120
attend these meetings can understand a

8846
06:35:55,120 --> 06:35:55,600
little bit more?

8847
06:35:55,600 --> 06:35:58,798
>> Yes. The one on page 207 would be fund

8848
06:35:58,798 --> 06:36:00,400
29

8849
06:36:00,400 --> 06:36:05,440
and the one on page 199 is um fund 26.

8850
06:36:05,440 --> 06:36:08,400
And when I say that that's the projects

8851
06:36:08,400 --> 06:36:08,958
that were

8852
06:36:08,958 --> 06:36:09,840
>> correct.

8853
06:36:09,840 --> 06:36:11,600
>> Yeah. Approved for those.

8854
06:36:11,600 --> 06:36:15,280
>> Maybe note projects um or bond funds

8855
06:36:15,280 --> 06:36:17,280
projects under fun 29.

8856
06:36:17,280 --> 06:36:19,520
>> Yes, I can put that. Let me take you

8857
06:36:19,520 --> 06:36:24,558
through uh um a little history here on

8858
06:36:24,558 --> 06:36:30,878
this uh on the screen. I have um the

8859
06:36:30,878 --> 06:36:35,280
bond um the 2016

8860
06:36:35,280 --> 06:36:39,200
2020 2016 bonds what that was used for.

8861
06:36:39,200 --> 06:36:42,080
It did refund uh earlier certificates of

8862
06:36:42,080 --> 06:36:44,638
obligation and

8863
06:36:44,638 --> 06:36:46,400
um

8864
06:36:46,400 --> 06:36:52,548
it was

8865
06:36:52,558 --> 06:36:58,948
for water and wastewater projects.

8866
06:36:58,958 --> 06:37:01,760
The 20

8867
06:37:01,760 --> 06:37:06,958
2015 series bonds were issued

8868
06:37:06,958 --> 06:37:11,040
for water and sewer pro improvements

8869
06:37:11,040 --> 06:37:15,360
and ADC's pay portion of that.

8870
06:37:15,360 --> 06:37:18,478
the 20 2016

8871
06:37:18,478 --> 06:37:21,280
series bonds here. The maturity date

8872
06:37:21,280 --> 06:37:24,878
being 2031 was very specifically for the

8873
06:37:24,878 --> 06:37:29,670
ladder truck.

8874
06:37:29,680 --> 06:37:33,680
The 2017 series bonds

8875
06:37:33,680 --> 06:37:38,468
was for the fire engine.

8876
06:37:38,478 --> 06:37:40,718
Uh that wasn't the ladder truck. That

8877
06:37:40,718 --> 06:37:43,280
was just the larger fire engine. Right.

8878
06:37:43,280 --> 06:37:45,280
>> Correct.

8879
06:37:45,280 --> 06:37:49,840
What what number truck do you call that?

8880
06:37:49,840 --> 06:37:52,878
>> So it's our whole station is station

8881
06:37:52,878 --> 06:37:56,798
128. So it's truck 128 and engine 128.

8882
06:37:56,798 --> 06:37:59,200
It's our two main out apparatus.

8883
06:37:59,200 --> 06:38:00,160
>> Okay.

8884
06:38:00,160 --> 06:38:04,958
>> So they are fairly new in overall.

8885
06:38:04,958 --> 06:38:07,920
uh the 20 2022

8886
06:38:07,920 --> 06:38:11,920
series bonds that was for streets

8887
06:38:11,920 --> 06:38:15,360
and that's the one the $17 million bond

8888
06:38:15,360 --> 06:38:19,360
we've spoke of uh for streets water

8889
06:38:19,360 --> 06:38:22,240
wastewater the fire administration

8890
06:38:22,240 --> 06:38:25,360
expansion that we're working on now and

8891
06:38:25,360 --> 06:38:29,280
also uh Keller Hasslet Road it ends up

8892
06:38:29,280 --> 06:38:31,520
that uh we were net positive on that

8893
06:38:31,520 --> 06:38:34,878
project so we spent no bond money on

8894
06:38:34,878 --> 06:38:38,468
that project.

8895
06:38:38,478 --> 06:38:40,878
Uh

8896
06:38:40,878 --> 06:38:46,400
the 2020 series bonds, type A and type B

8897
06:38:46,400 --> 06:38:50,958
persist participated in and I think that

8898
06:38:50,958 --> 06:38:55,760
was a nominal $3 million a piece. A

8899
06:38:55,760 --> 06:38:58,878
total of $6 million cash put towards

8900
06:38:58,878 --> 06:39:02,558
that project. Uh that's what those that

8901
06:39:02,558 --> 06:39:05,360
uh 2020 series was about. But that's

8902
06:39:05,360 --> 06:39:07,520
just the what these bonds that you're

8903
06:39:07,520 --> 06:39:11,660
looking at what they were used for.

8904
06:39:11,660 --> 06:39:19,510
[snorts]

8905
06:39:19,520 --> 06:39:21,120
» Okay.

8906
06:39:21,120 --> 06:39:22,878
Marcy.

8907
06:39:22,878 --> 06:39:24,878
>> Yes, sir.

8908
06:39:24,878 --> 06:39:28,558
Right now. Okay. Uh Marcy has put in

8909
06:39:28,558 --> 06:39:30,320
front of you, I believe, on everybody's

8910
06:39:30,320 --> 06:39:31,360
chair.

8911
06:39:31,360 --> 06:39:32,000
>> Yes.

8912
06:39:32,000 --> 06:39:35,440
>> Here is a a summary of all the changes

8913
06:39:35,440 --> 06:39:40,878
that made thus far in our budget.

8914
06:39:40,878 --> 06:39:44,718
And um Margie, you can correct me if I'm

8915
06:39:44,718 --> 06:39:53,430
wrong. Our budget for this 20 26 27

8916
06:39:53,440 --> 06:39:56,478
meaning all our expenditures

8917
06:39:56,478 --> 06:40:04,708
is $18,192,778.

8918
06:40:04,718 --> 06:40:07,600
Our revenues

8919
06:40:07,600 --> 06:40:09,520
>> is looking at the general fund.

8920
06:40:09,520 --> 06:40:12,160
>> He's he's Yes, he's on the general fund.

8921
06:40:12,160 --> 06:40:15,760
He's adding operating expenditures,

8922
06:40:15,760 --> 06:40:19,600
capital outlay, transfers out, and the

8923
06:40:19,600 --> 06:40:22,320
contingency fund

8924
06:40:22,320 --> 06:40:22,958
to get that

8925
06:40:22,958 --> 06:40:24,160
>> all

8926
06:40:24,160 --> 06:40:27,040
>> to get what number? Sorry.

8927
06:40:27,040 --> 06:40:28,080
>> 18 million.

8928
06:40:28,080 --> 06:40:30,240
>> To get what number, sir?

8929
06:40:30,240 --> 06:40:36,868
>> 18,192,778.

8930
06:40:36,878 --> 06:40:39,040
Is that what you got, Marcy?

8931
06:40:39,040 --> 06:40:40,718
>> I actually didn't get around to adding

8932
06:40:40,718 --> 06:40:45,270
it up. Our

8933
06:40:45,280 --> 06:40:47,920
revenues

8934
06:40:47,920 --> 06:40:50,160
that is the sum of our at the very top

8935
06:40:50,160 --> 06:40:53,520
of the page our operating revenues and

8936
06:40:53,520 --> 06:40:57,040
our transfers in

8937
06:40:57,040 --> 06:41:08,708
that is a total of 11 million222,356.

8938
06:41:08,718 --> 06:41:17,190
That's a difference of $6,970,422.

8939
06:41:17,200 --> 06:41:19,360
Difference being

8940
06:41:19,360 --> 06:41:23,040
that's what has to be made up

8941
06:41:23,040 --> 06:41:26,320
and your

8942
06:41:26,320 --> 06:41:29,200
only partic your only source there is

8943
06:41:29,200 --> 06:41:32,400
property tax.

8944
06:41:32,400 --> 06:41:34,638
That's not going to happen.

8945
06:41:34,638 --> 06:41:42,468
So this is where Okay. What do we cut?

8946
06:41:42,478 --> 06:41:44,160
» Pardon?

8947
06:41:44,160 --> 06:41:45,920
>> I said which is again why we need more

8948
06:41:45,920 --> 06:41:47,920
sales tax.

8949
06:41:47,920 --> 06:41:51,520
>> Well, it's there's a big list on here.

8950
06:41:51,520 --> 06:41:54,718
There's a very big list of projects on

8951
06:41:54,718 --> 06:41:58,878
here. So this is uh this is the

8952
06:41:58,878 --> 06:42:01,280
difficult part.

8953
06:42:01,280 --> 06:42:03,928
Living within our means.

8954
06:42:03,928 --> 06:42:09,910
>> [snorts]

8955
06:42:09,920 --> 06:42:12,638
» Now, uh, I think now would be a good

8956
06:42:12,638 --> 06:42:19,920
time to let's introduce the, uh,

8957
06:42:19,920 --> 06:42:20,400
>> rates,

8958
06:42:20,400 --> 06:42:24,080
>> certified tax roles, the rates.

8959
06:42:24,080 --> 06:42:27,600
Uh, one thing you'll notice in here is

8960
06:42:27,600 --> 06:42:29,920
the

8961
06:42:29,920 --> 06:42:35,110
um,

8962
06:42:35,120 --> 06:42:38,878
our tax rates have have not dropped.

8963
06:42:38,878 --> 06:42:42,080
typically in you know in the past years

8964
06:42:42,080 --> 06:42:46,000
is that uh for

8965
06:42:46,000 --> 06:42:49,280
to gain the same revenue from the year

8966
06:42:49,280 --> 06:42:53,040
prior you would see a lower tax rate the

8967
06:42:53,040 --> 06:42:56,558
no new revenue rate would drop but

8968
06:42:56,558 --> 06:42:59,360
that's not the case this year and I

8969
06:42:59,360 --> 06:43:01,360
think many entities throughout North

8970
06:43:01,360 --> 06:43:03,920
Texas or Texas as a whole has

8971
06:43:03,920 --> 06:43:06,718
experienced this I know Fort Worth has

8972
06:43:06,718 --> 06:43:11,920
very specifically The Tarant County EDC

8973
06:43:11,920 --> 06:43:15,600
emergency district has experienced this

8974
06:43:15,600 --> 06:43:18,718
is that valuations

8975
06:43:18,718 --> 06:43:21,280
fell.

8976
06:43:21,280 --> 06:43:24,000
The valuations in within Hassid have

8977
06:43:24,000 --> 06:43:25,760
fallen

8978
06:43:25,760 --> 06:43:27,920
and that's what drives that percentage

8979
06:43:27,920 --> 06:43:30,240
rate up.

8980
06:43:30,240 --> 06:43:40,230
So just understand that

8981
06:43:40,240 --> 06:44:03,270
Get this stuff out of my way.

8982
06:44:03,280 --> 06:44:04,718
Marcy, you want to go ahead and just

8983
06:44:04,718 --> 06:44:08,478
start? Go ahead and go over the uh

8984
06:44:08,478 --> 06:44:09,680
tax rates.

8985
06:44:09,680 --> 06:44:12,958
>> Yes. At each of your spots, you should

8986
06:44:12,958 --> 06:44:15,760
have a copy of the It looks like this.

8987
06:44:15,760 --> 06:44:17,840
It's the 2026

8988
06:44:17,840 --> 06:44:22,160
uh tax rate worksheet. This is um the

8989
06:44:22,160 --> 06:44:27,120
computation for all the rates and um

8990
06:44:27,120 --> 06:44:30,000
this computation was done for us by um

8991
06:44:30,000 --> 06:44:32,000
Tarant County

8992
06:44:32,000 --> 06:44:33,760
and it's based off the certified

8993
06:44:33,760 --> 06:44:38,638
valuations that um are received from the

8994
06:44:38,638 --> 06:44:41,280
uh Tarant appraisal district and the

8995
06:44:41,280 --> 06:44:43,360
Denton County Appraisal District. We do

8996
06:44:43,360 --> 06:44:44,958
have some property that's in Denton

8997
06:44:44,958 --> 06:44:48,958
County, so we add them both together to

8998
06:44:48,958 --> 06:44:51,520
get our total valuation.

8999
06:44:51,520 --> 06:44:54,240
Um, if you'll look at this big sheet

9000
06:44:54,240 --> 06:44:58,000
that I gave you, um, make sure on the

9001
06:44:58,000 --> 06:45:00,798
increase the third column from the

9002
06:45:00,798 --> 06:45:03,920
right, make sure your copy,

9003
06:45:03,920 --> 06:45:06,320
write down where there's a blue 8%, make

9004
06:45:06,320 --> 06:45:09,200
sure there's a 7.99 figure up above it.

9005
06:45:09,200 --> 06:45:10,718
and that way you'll know you have the

9006
06:45:10,718 --> 06:45:14,400
correct sheet we're looking at.

9007
06:45:14,400 --> 06:45:18,718
Um, so our according to the calculations

9008
06:45:18,718 --> 06:45:21,760
from Tarant County,

9009
06:45:21,760 --> 06:45:27,830
our total no new revenue rate is 339405

9010
06:45:27,840 --> 06:45:32,400
and that is shown in blue under the tax

9011
06:45:32,400 --> 06:45:35,280
rate column M ins total. That's the

9012
06:45:35,280 --> 06:45:38,240
total no new revenue rate.

9013
06:45:38,240 --> 06:45:42,878
If you adopted that rate, um you would

9014
06:45:42,878 --> 06:45:45,200
basically according to the way they do

9015
06:45:45,200 --> 06:45:47,040
the calculations, you would assume that

9016
06:45:47,040 --> 06:45:50,320
there's no increase in your tax rate

9017
06:45:50,320 --> 06:45:52,638
even though it is an increase in the tax

9018
06:45:52,638 --> 06:45:55,280
rate, but it's it's gets you the same

9019
06:45:55,280 --> 06:45:57,520
amount of dollars.

9020
06:45:57,520 --> 06:46:01,520
Um so basically you have in your tax

9021
06:46:01,520 --> 06:46:05,440
rate you have M and INS. So the M is

9022
06:46:05,440 --> 06:46:07,760
your maintenance fees and that's when

9023
06:46:07,760 --> 06:46:11,200
we're looking at the general fund column

9024
06:46:11,200 --> 06:46:13,520
or summary.

9025
06:46:13,520 --> 06:46:20,000
The um property tax number is 6.2

9026
06:46:20,000 --> 06:46:24,080
um 6 point or 62 6,242,000

9027
06:46:24,080 --> 06:46:27,280
is what um the mayor proposed for the

9028
06:46:27,280 --> 06:46:28,638
budget on there.

9029
06:46:28,638 --> 06:46:30,400
>> What was Can you repeat that? I'm sorry.

9030
06:46:30,400 --> 06:46:33,680
that six mill on this on this sheet he's

9031
06:46:33,680 --> 06:46:36,000
proposed 6,242

9032
06:46:36,000 --> 06:46:40,390
to come from property tax.

9033
06:46:40,400 --> 06:46:43,360
» So on the M that was that's going to

9034
06:46:43,360 --> 06:46:45,440
fall between

9035
06:46:45,440 --> 06:46:48,718
um if you look at the M column and you

9036
06:46:48,718 --> 06:46:51,440
go down about

9037
06:46:51,440 --> 06:46:53,440
oh almost to the end probably three4s

9038
06:46:53,440 --> 06:46:56,718
the way you get to where you see 6.26

9039
06:46:56,718 --> 06:46:59,600
6.28 28 6.37

9040
06:46:59,600 --> 06:47:01,760
6256.

9041
06:47:01,760 --> 06:47:04,718
Um so somewhere in that range which is

9042
06:47:04,718 --> 06:47:06,478
um

9043
06:47:06,478 --> 06:47:09,120
the in the voter approval rate range for

9044
06:47:09,120 --> 06:47:12,400
both um the voter approval rate and the

9045
06:47:12,400 --> 06:47:14,798
voter approval rate for cities under

9046
06:47:14,798 --> 06:47:17,910
30,000.

9047
06:47:17,920 --> 06:47:19,680
Because we're a city under 30,000

9048
06:47:19,680 --> 06:47:24,638
population, we cannot go over this 8%

9049
06:47:24,638 --> 06:47:27,440
rate that I showed you initially in that

9050
06:47:27,440 --> 06:47:29,680
column. And so whenever we have intended

9051
06:47:29,680 --> 06:47:30,478
to

9052
06:47:30,478 --> 06:47:32,478
>> well up against that rate,

9053
06:47:32,478 --> 06:47:33,920
>> you could with an election

9054
06:47:33,920 --> 06:47:36,320
>> we can go over but it's a mandatory

9055
06:47:36,320 --> 06:47:36,958
election.

9056
06:47:36,958 --> 06:47:38,718
>> And where just one more time on you said

9057
06:47:38,718 --> 06:47:40,240
that the mayor's prop on the proposed

9058
06:47:40,240 --> 06:47:44,000
budget where is the that six where is

9059
06:47:44,000 --> 06:47:46,160
that? That's This is on the general fund

9060
06:47:46,160 --> 06:47:46,638
summary

9061
06:47:46,638 --> 06:47:47,360
>> right

9062
06:47:47,360 --> 06:47:50,798
>> up on the revenues the second line on

9063
06:47:50,798 --> 06:47:51,440
the right.

9064
06:47:51,440 --> 06:47:54,240
>> Second line 6.242. Thank you ma'am.

9065
06:47:54,240 --> 06:47:54,638
>> Yes.

9066
06:47:54,638 --> 06:47:56,320
>> Can I say a little word?

9067
06:47:56,320 --> 06:47:57,440
>> Yes.

9068
06:47:57,440 --> 06:47:59,200
>> My understanding from the conference

9069
06:47:59,200 --> 06:48:02,798
last week and our discussions previously

9070
06:48:02,798 --> 06:48:05,920
if we go over this 8% it triggers an

9071
06:48:05,920 --> 06:48:08,878
election. And what they told us, if I

9072
06:48:08,878 --> 06:48:11,360
heard correctly at the conference, is if

9073
06:48:11,360 --> 06:48:15,120
it goes to an election and the voters

9074
06:48:15,120 --> 06:48:18,718
disprove it, it defaults back to the no

9075
06:48:18,718 --> 06:48:20,400
new revenue rate.

9076
06:48:20,400 --> 06:48:22,638
>> Well, it defaults to the rate I mean the

9077
06:48:22,638 --> 06:48:25,040
revenue that we have the current year.

9078
06:48:25,040 --> 06:48:26,000
>> No new revenue rate.

9079
06:48:26,000 --> 06:48:27,040
>> Yeah.

9080
06:48:27,040 --> 06:48:30,080
So it would go from 8% all the way back

9081
06:48:30,080 --> 06:48:32,000
to

9082
06:48:32,000 --> 06:48:36,320
uh whatever that is point I mean 0000

9083
06:48:36,320 --> 06:48:37,440
change.

9084
06:48:37,440 --> 06:48:40,798
>> So it go from a an a income of 6.9

9085
06:48:40,798 --> 06:48:43,680
million roughly back to 6.4. So we'd

9086
06:48:43,680 --> 06:48:46,240
lose 500,000 if we didn't win the

9087
06:48:46,240 --> 06:48:46,798
election.

9088
06:48:46,798 --> 06:48:51,200
>> And our current tax rate is a 3.15450.

9089
06:48:51,200 --> 06:48:52,798
>> Our current one

9090
06:48:52,798 --> 06:48:53,360
>> Yes.

9091
06:48:53,360 --> 06:48:55,120
>> current rate is 3.

9092
06:48:55,120 --> 06:48:57,280
>> Yes.

9093
06:48:57,280 --> 06:48:58,160
339.

9094
06:48:58,160 --> 06:48:59,440
>> No, that's what the no new revenue

9095
06:48:59,440 --> 06:49:03,280
weight is. But last year the 3 point the

9096
06:49:03,280 --> 06:49:04,798
315.

9097
06:49:04,798 --> 06:49:06,958
>> Okay. Thank you.

9098
06:49:06,958 --> 06:49:08,400
>> Where does that stack up with other

9099
06:49:08,400 --> 06:49:10,400
towns around here? Do you know?

9100
06:49:10,400 --> 06:49:11,760
>> Yeah, we're very low.

9101
06:49:11,760 --> 06:49:12,400
>> We're very low

9102
06:49:12,400 --> 06:49:14,080
>> to to a lot of other towns.

9103
06:49:14,080 --> 06:49:16,240
>> Okay.

9104
06:49:16,240 --> 06:49:20,320
>> We're probably currently the of 16. Uh I

9105
06:49:20,320 --> 06:49:22,878
know that I don't I haven't shown it to

9106
06:49:22,878 --> 06:49:26,320
this council, but in previous budget

9107
06:49:26,320 --> 06:49:29,280
meetings um

9108
06:49:29,280 --> 06:49:32,878
and neighborhood meetings

9109
06:49:32,878 --> 06:49:39,120
is I did a graph of or a data of 16 area

9110
06:49:39,120 --> 06:49:43,840
cities and their tax rates.

9111
06:49:43,840 --> 06:49:47,120
Three years ago, we were the lowest and

9112
06:49:47,120 --> 06:49:50,478
had always been the lowest of all 16.

9113
06:49:50,478 --> 06:49:54,240
Uh last year, I believe we were uh

9114
06:49:54,240 --> 06:49:56,478
second lowest.

9115
06:49:56,478 --> 06:49:59,760
Um but also we have a very low debt

9116
06:49:59,760 --> 06:50:03,440
ratio too. Um that's an attractive

9117
06:50:03,440 --> 06:50:05,280
thing. That's why our bond rating went

9118
06:50:05,280 --> 06:50:10,638
up three two years ago. Nonetheless is I

9119
06:50:10,638 --> 06:50:13,440
want to

9120
06:50:13,440 --> 06:50:18,000
mention to you I I I stated that our

9121
06:50:18,000 --> 06:50:22,638
valuations went down. I want to

9122
06:50:22,638 --> 06:50:25,600
last year's valuations actually this

9123
06:50:25,600 --> 06:50:28,240
current fiscal year in that but the

9124
06:50:28,240 --> 06:50:31,520
valuations we received almost a year ago

9125
06:50:31,520 --> 06:50:35,920
that the 2526 budget was worked on those

9126
06:50:35,920 --> 06:50:38,558
valuations was

9127
06:50:38,558 --> 06:50:40,798
1 bill960

9128
06:50:40,798 --> 06:50:45,110
million678

9129
06:50:45,120 --> 06:50:49,990
uh,647

9130
06:50:50,000 --> 06:50:50,478
Huh?

9131
06:50:50,478 --> 06:50:51,520
>> You said billion.

9132
06:50:51,520 --> 06:50:54,798
>> Billion. Uh, that's

9133
06:50:54,798 --> 06:50:56,558
Yes.

9134
06:50:56,558 --> 06:51:00,080
This year it fell.

9135
06:51:00,080 --> 06:51:02,878
It's 1 bill914

9136
06:51:02,878 --> 06:51:07,830
million180,934.

9137
06:51:07,840 --> 06:51:16,948
It dropped 46 million497,713.

9138
06:51:16,958 --> 06:51:20,160
the valuations did uh that's even

9139
06:51:20,160 --> 06:51:23,120
including the new properties that came

9140
06:51:23,120 --> 06:51:24,080
online.

9141
06:51:24,080 --> 06:51:30,628
>> My case get keeps getting built for me

9142
06:51:30,638 --> 06:51:31,840
» about sales tax.

9143
06:51:31,840 --> 06:51:33,920
>> Sales tax. Sales tax. Sales tax.

9144
06:51:33,920 --> 06:51:37,760
>> No. Well, no. I understand. I understand

9145
06:51:37,760 --> 06:51:40,638
you're not as bad off as you may think,

9146
06:51:40,638 --> 06:51:45,600
but we'll get into more of that. Um the

9147
06:51:45,600 --> 06:51:48,080
we're in a there there are things

9148
06:51:48,080 --> 06:51:50,400
happening in

9149
06:51:50,400 --> 06:51:55,840
the world, the nation, um economy, our

9150
06:51:55,840 --> 06:51:59,200
North Texas economy that all contributed

9151
06:51:59,200 --> 06:52:01,680
to this drop in valuation. This is

9152
06:52:01,680 --> 06:52:06,240
nothing unique to North Texas.

9153
06:52:06,240 --> 06:52:08,558
Uh so

9154
06:52:08,558 --> 06:52:11,200
in that

9155
06:52:11,200 --> 06:52:15,190
going back to

9156
06:52:15,200 --> 06:52:17,200
uh understand if we go to this co this

9157
06:52:17,200 --> 06:52:19,520
rate called the dimminimous rate that's

9158
06:52:19,520 --> 06:52:22,400
that magic number that 8% that

9159
06:52:22,400 --> 06:52:24,638
correlates to

9160
06:52:24,638 --> 06:52:27,520
an additional $500,000

9161
06:52:27,520 --> 06:52:30,868
in revenue.

9162
06:52:30,878 --> 06:52:38,468
we have a difference of $6,970,000.

9163
06:52:38,478 --> 06:52:40,000
You're not going to be able to go up on

9164
06:52:40,000 --> 06:52:42,798
taxes enough to meet that difference.

9165
06:52:42,798 --> 06:52:46,000
So, this is going to take a look at

9166
06:52:46,000 --> 06:52:48,320
there are various sources uh or

9167
06:52:48,320 --> 06:52:52,160
mechanisms. Uh one is

9168
06:52:52,160 --> 06:52:56,878
uh bonds. Um, if we have a we got recent

9169
06:52:56,878 --> 06:53:00,080
I think a month old uh schedule bond

9170
06:53:00,080 --> 06:53:01,920
schedule. In fact, I have that right

9171
06:53:01,920 --> 06:53:03,760
here. Let me load it up. Oh, I got it

9172
06:53:03,760 --> 06:53:06,160
already loaded. Let me show that. This

9173
06:53:06,160 --> 06:53:09,200
is a tool in your toolbox.

9174
06:53:09,200 --> 06:53:10,798
Bonds.

9175
06:53:10,798 --> 06:53:12,958
Here you are.

9176
06:53:12,958 --> 06:53:18,468
Um,

9177
06:53:18,478 --> 06:53:22,400
» a $5 million the first column here. Uh

9178
06:53:22,400 --> 06:53:26,798
$5 million 20-year bond

9179
06:53:26,798 --> 06:53:31,750
adds.177

9180
06:53:31,760 --> 06:53:33,680
cents

9181
06:53:33,680 --> 06:53:39,110
to your property to your tax.

9182
06:53:39,120 --> 06:53:42,240
And if you go 10, it's just a multiple.

9183
06:53:42,240 --> 06:53:45,270
Uh

9184
06:53:45,280 --> 06:53:48,878
so for each $5 million

9185
06:53:48,878 --> 06:53:52,708
is

9186
06:53:52,718 --> 06:53:56,558
one not it's less than two cents so 1.8

9187
06:53:56,558 --> 06:53:58,160
8 cents

9188
06:53:58,160 --> 06:53:58,878
>> Mayor Hoy

9189
06:53:58,878 --> 06:54:00,240
>> per five million.

9190
06:54:00,240 --> 06:54:01,280
>> I might have been the original person

9191
06:54:01,280 --> 06:54:02,878
that got kind of got us off track, but I

9192
06:54:02,878 --> 06:54:04,000
was wondering if Miss Lamb could

9193
06:54:04,000 --> 06:54:05,680
continue with the worksheet. I might

9194
06:54:05,680 --> 06:54:11,120
have asked the the initial question that interrupted her, but if you if you

9195
06:54:11,120 --> 06:54:12,638
could continue, you were kind of

9196
06:54:12,638 --> 06:54:15,360
explaining the different rates.

9197
06:54:15,360 --> 06:54:17,760
>> So, is that okay to do that now?

9198
06:54:17,760 --> 06:54:19,200
>> Is that right? All right. Mayor,

9199
06:54:19,200 --> 06:54:19,840
>> what's that?

9200
06:54:19,840 --> 06:54:21,200
>> Can she go back to what she was doing? I

9201
06:54:21,200 --> 06:54:22,320
was trying to get clarification.

9202
06:54:22,320 --> 06:54:23,360
>> Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know I

9203
06:54:23,360 --> 06:54:25,040
interrupted. Yeah, I I'm the one that

9204
06:54:25,040 --> 06:54:27,600
interrupted actually. So, and so I'm

9205
06:54:27,600 --> 06:54:28,080
apologizing.

9206
06:54:28,080 --> 06:54:31,910
>> Please go right ahead.

9207
06:54:31,920 --> 06:54:35,280
» Okay. Um,

9208
06:54:35,280 --> 06:54:36,958
so the thing that this that the general

9209
06:54:36,958 --> 06:54:40,320
fund keys off of um for this property

9210
06:54:40,320 --> 06:54:45,440
tax is our M. the column or the amount

9211
06:54:45,440 --> 06:54:48,320
that shows as operating expenditures,

9212
06:54:48,320 --> 06:54:50,878
those expenditures are the ones that are

9213
06:54:50,878 --> 06:54:53,600
deemed to be covered by your M piece of

9214
06:54:53,600 --> 06:54:56,958
the of the rate. Uh the debt service

9215
06:54:56,958 --> 06:54:59,280
rate is

9216
06:54:59,280 --> 06:55:02,638
um just it is what it is because that's

9217
06:55:02,638 --> 06:55:04,718
what our debt service is for the coming

9218
06:55:04,718 --> 06:55:06,718
year. as I mentioned, you know, when we

9219
06:55:06,718 --> 06:55:08,000
were talking about the debt service

9220
06:55:08,000 --> 06:55:10,958
fund. So, the total rate is the rate

9221
06:55:10,958 --> 06:55:13,040
you're looking to set today as a

9222
06:55:13,040 --> 06:55:16,638
proposed rate. Um,

9223
06:55:16,638 --> 06:55:19,680
to just kind of understand this sheet,

9224
06:55:19,680 --> 06:55:21,920
the way I do this is I try to show you

9225
06:55:21,920 --> 06:55:23,760
different increments of different rates.

9226
06:55:23,760 --> 06:55:25,520
If there's a different level you want to

9227
06:55:25,520 --> 06:55:29,680
look at, I can run that. Um, but I've

9228
06:55:29,680 --> 06:55:32,558
tried to show you the no new revenue M

9229
06:55:32,558 --> 06:55:34,798
rate. That's that's where we begin.

9230
06:55:34,798 --> 06:55:36,558
That's where all the other rates key off

9231
06:55:36,558 --> 06:55:39,120
of. Then there's the total no new

9232
06:55:39,120 --> 06:55:42,878
revenue rate and that's it gets you a

9233
06:55:42,878 --> 06:55:45,760
little bit more in in M, but it's not to

9234
06:55:45,760 --> 06:55:48,798
be confused with the no new revenue M

9235
06:55:48,798 --> 06:55:52,558
rate. And then um the voter approval

9236
06:55:52,558 --> 06:55:56,478
rate, if you'll notice down here, it's

9237
06:55:56,478 --> 06:55:59,120
um basically at 6.82. And for those of

9238
06:55:59,120 --> 06:56:00,638
you that have been on council for a

9239
06:56:00,638 --> 06:56:02,160
while, you're going to wonder why it's

9240
06:56:02,160 --> 06:56:04,638
not at 3 and a half.

9241
06:56:04,638 --> 06:56:07,760
And that is because on this worksheet,

9242
06:56:07,760 --> 06:56:12,150
um if you turn to

9243
06:56:12,160 --> 06:56:15,600
um page nine of this worksheet, there is

9244
06:56:15,600 --> 06:56:17,680
what's called an unused increment. And

9245
06:56:17,680 --> 06:56:20,958
since last year you did not go to your

9246
06:56:20,958 --> 06:56:22,798
voter approval rate, there's an

9247
06:56:22,798 --> 06:56:26,718
increment that you can use this year. So

9248
06:56:26,718 --> 06:56:28,958
the reason that our voter approval rate

9249
06:56:28,958 --> 06:56:31,920
is above the 3 and a half% is because of

9250
06:56:31,920 --> 06:56:36,240
that unused increment rate. So um that

9251
06:56:36,240 --> 06:56:40,160
added uh 192,843

9252
06:56:40,160 --> 06:56:44,798
to what you can add on to.

9253
06:56:44,798 --> 06:56:47,360
So, I just wanted to highlight that I

9254
06:56:47,360 --> 06:56:49,920
did show you where the three and a half

9255
06:56:49,920 --> 06:56:53,360
uh piece would be, but our actual voter

9256
06:56:53,360 --> 06:56:58,070
approval rate is this 357797.

9257
06:56:58,080 --> 06:57:00,878
So, that voter approval rate

9258
06:57:00,878 --> 06:57:05,200
um is almost to the 6.242.

9259
06:57:05,200 --> 06:57:10,320
Um not quite. Um

9260
06:57:10,320 --> 06:57:13,600
the next rate is the city's under 30,000

9261
06:57:13,600 --> 06:57:17,920
which I explained is basically 8%.

9262
06:57:17,920 --> 06:57:21,600
And that's because um of our being under

9263
06:57:21,600 --> 06:57:23,440
30,000 were considered as a special

9264
06:57:23,440 --> 06:57:26,320
taxing unit which is allowed to go up to

9265
06:57:26,320 --> 06:57:30,240
this without going to a vote. If you go

9266
06:57:30,240 --> 06:57:35,120
between um if you go between or over the

9267
06:57:35,120 --> 06:57:37,440
um voter approval rate triggered dim

9268
06:57:37,440 --> 06:57:39,040
deminimus

9269
06:57:39,040 --> 06:57:42,160
there's a chance for a petition if you

9270
06:57:42,160 --> 06:57:44,638
go above the dimminimus there's an

9271
06:57:44,638 --> 06:57:47,120
automatic election.

9272
06:57:47,120 --> 06:57:51,680
So, um, in order to fund everything that

9273
06:57:51,680 --> 06:57:55,920
you have currently in the budget, which

9274
06:57:55,920 --> 06:57:58,638
the numbers that you changed mostly, uh,

9275
06:57:58,638 --> 06:58:00,400
at both of your workshops have been the

9276
06:58:00,400 --> 06:58:03,760
capital outlay numbers.

9277
06:58:03,760 --> 06:58:05,440
Um,

9278
06:58:05,440 --> 06:58:08,080
if they're not covered, if a lot of this

9279
06:58:08,080 --> 06:58:10,080
capital outlay is not covered in your

9280
06:58:10,080 --> 06:58:12,000
tax rate, then you're using your

9281
06:58:12,000 --> 06:58:14,478
reserves to fund those.

9282
06:58:14,478 --> 06:58:15,440
>> Using what?

9283
06:58:15,440 --> 06:58:16,400
>> Your reserves.

9284
06:58:16,400 --> 06:58:17,840
>> Yeah. And how much do we have in

9285
06:58:17,840 --> 06:58:19,280
reserves?

9286
06:58:19,280 --> 06:58:23,360
>> You uh started out with uh 15.2

9287
06:58:23,360 --> 06:58:27,600
and you will be down to

9288
06:58:27,600 --> 06:58:30,160
uh this fund balance on this general

9289
06:58:30,160 --> 06:58:32,958
fund page of 9,297

9290
06:58:32,958 --> 06:58:33,920
630.

9291
06:58:33,920 --> 06:58:36,240
>> So we'd use up 6 million of it if we

9292
06:58:36,240 --> 06:58:37,680
fully funded everything we have in here

9293
06:58:37,680 --> 06:58:39,200
without any cuts.

9294
06:58:39,200 --> 06:58:39,920
>> That's correct.

9295
06:58:39,920 --> 06:58:42,000
>> Thank you.

9296
06:58:42,000 --> 06:58:45,440
So, in order to set the tax rate today,

9297
06:58:45,440 --> 06:58:47,600
we're asking you to set a proposed tax

9298
06:58:47,600 --> 06:58:51,120
rate and authorize a hearing uh to be

9299
06:58:51,120 --> 06:58:53,520
held on the 14th.

9300
06:58:53,520 --> 06:58:56,718
And where you set your tax rate depends

9301
06:58:56,718 --> 06:59:01,920
on how much you want this uh 6.242

9302
06:59:01,920 --> 06:59:03,680
uh million

9303
06:59:03,680 --> 06:59:06,400
to change.

9304
06:59:06,400 --> 06:59:09,520
uh or if you want this capital number or

9305
06:59:09,520 --> 06:59:14,080
any of your M numbers to change to take

9306
06:59:14,080 --> 06:59:17,600
less expenditures out. And so,

9307
06:59:17,600 --> 06:59:20,160
um if you're not going to make any

9308
06:59:20,160 --> 06:59:21,920
changes to any of the projects or

9309
06:59:21,920 --> 06:59:24,878
whatever, um my recommendation to you

9310
06:59:24,878 --> 06:59:31,120
would be to go up to the 8% or the 7.99.

9311
06:59:31,120 --> 06:59:36,718
>> I do want to make a note where you see

9312
06:59:36,718 --> 06:59:40,558
30,000 voter approval rate that is your

9313
06:59:40,558 --> 06:59:44,478
effective voter approval rate.

9314
06:59:44,478 --> 06:59:46,080
>> The 3614.

9315
06:59:46,080 --> 06:59:48,968
>> Yes.

9316
06:59:48,968 --> 06:59:49,760
[clears throat]

9317
06:59:49,760 --> 06:59:52,958
>> So if I was doing okay, if I was doing

9318
06:59:52,958 --> 06:59:55,280
my math correctly, it looked like from

9319
06:59:55,280 --> 06:59:57,760
the proposed budget we received last

9320
06:59:57,760 --> 07:00:00,400
week to today,

9321
07:00:00,400 --> 07:00:02,798
it was 650,000 increase in capital

9322
07:00:02,798 --> 07:00:04,558
outlay expenditures. Does anybody else

9323
07:00:04,558 --> 07:00:07,360
look at that and see if that's correct?

9324
07:00:07,360 --> 07:00:10,240
>> I can print off the capital outlay um

9325
07:00:10,240 --> 07:00:12,000
changes for you.

9326
07:00:12,000 --> 07:00:13,680
>> I just Well, I have it on the overall

9327
07:00:13,680 --> 07:00:16,798
budget summary. I just took that

9328
07:00:16,798 --> 07:00:19,120
original number

9329
07:00:19,120 --> 07:00:20,798
of

9330
07:00:20,798 --> 07:00:22,400
um

9331
07:00:22,400 --> 07:00:26,478
yes from between the proposed and your

9332
07:00:26,478 --> 07:00:29,440
current you of course you took out the

9333
07:00:29,440 --> 07:00:31,600
library you took out the community

9334
07:00:31,600 --> 07:00:34,400
center but you added in

9335
07:00:34,400 --> 07:00:38,798
um the John Day road 1.425 425 million

9336
07:00:38,798 --> 07:00:42,400
blue mound 975,000

9337
07:00:42,400 --> 07:00:47,680
um and the blue mound 335,000

9338
07:00:47,680 --> 07:00:50,718
you also added in a million for today

9339
07:00:50,718 --> 07:00:56,000
for the John Road ultimate you added in

9340
07:00:56,000 --> 07:00:57,520
um

9341
07:00:57,520 --> 07:01:01,760
another 60,000 for houselet Park

9342
07:01:01,760 --> 07:01:04,478
reinforced concrete

9343
07:01:04,478 --> 07:01:08,638
and $10,000 for the Blue Mountain Road

9344
07:01:08,638 --> 07:01:10,718
grade separation

9345
07:01:10,718 --> 07:01:12,798
and 750,000

9346
07:01:12,798 --> 07:01:19,270
for the U public works facility

9347
07:01:19,280 --> 07:01:27,910
and you added 300,000 for parks.

9348
07:01:27,920 --> 07:01:30,000
I believe those are all

9349
07:01:30,000 --> 07:01:31,920
>> I was way off. It's Yeah, it was 1.8

9350
07:01:31,920 --> 07:01:34,080
million.

9351
07:01:34,080 --> 07:01:36,400
1 point

9352
07:01:36,400 --> 07:01:38,478
840,000.

9353
07:01:38,478 --> 07:01:39,120
>> So what is

9354
07:01:39,120 --> 07:01:41,760
>> addition additional? Okay.

9355
07:01:41,760 --> 07:01:51,350
>> So your your total capital went from

9356
07:01:51,360 --> 07:01:53,440
» 58

9357
07:01:53,440 --> 07:01:56,240
and now it's 64 6485.

9358
07:01:56,240 --> 07:02:04,468
>> Oh, I did do it wrong. Okay.

9359
07:02:04,478 --> 07:02:06,240
Marcy, so what's our current what's our

9360
07:02:06,240 --> 07:02:08,718
current tax rate like today?

9361
07:02:08,718 --> 07:02:13,600
>> The current tax rate is 31545.31

9362
07:02:13,600 --> 07:02:16,400
>> on the front page of your worksheet.

9363
07:02:16,400 --> 07:02:20,400
>> So if we go up 8%oughly

9364
07:02:20,400 --> 07:02:23,510
460

9365
07:02:23,520 --> 07:02:25,200
» Yes.

9366
07:02:25,200 --> 07:02:27,600
That puts us at

9367
07:02:27,600 --> 07:02:33,120
>> this number instead of six 242 is then

9368
07:02:33,120 --> 07:02:35,280
>> 286.

9369
07:02:35,280 --> 07:02:36,000
>> I'm going to hate

9370
07:02:36,000 --> 07:02:39,280
>> it's just the M piece that you'd be in

9371
07:02:39,280 --> 07:02:42,558
the general fund. 6.28673

9372
07:02:42,558 --> 07:02:45,600
if you went up to the 799.

9373
07:02:45,600 --> 07:02:47,600
So, we're only raising it at 4%. If you

9374
07:02:47,600 --> 07:02:50,478
kind of go with what Melsey said, well,

9375
07:02:50,478 --> 07:02:54,400
it go to this 3614

9376
07:02:54,400 --> 07:02:57,840
>> as far as the actual rate, but it will

9377
07:02:57,840 --> 07:03:01,680
it could it could make an 8% or 7.99

9378
07:03:01,680 --> 07:03:03,440
difference in their bill.

9379
07:03:03,440 --> 07:03:03,920
>> Oh.

9380
07:03:03,920 --> 07:03:06,080
>> Because this is based off of going to

9381
07:03:06,080 --> 07:03:08,092
the no new revenue M rate.

9382
07:03:08,092 --> 07:03:10,638
[clears throat] So, it doesn't it's it's

9383
07:03:10,638 --> 07:03:14,240
not 8% over last year's rate. It's 8%

9384
07:03:14,240 --> 07:03:17,920
over the no new revenue M rate.

9385
07:03:17,920 --> 07:03:19,760
>> It raises

9386
07:03:19,760 --> 07:03:21,760
>> Yeah. How much you say it raised?

9387
07:03:21,760 --> 07:03:25,040
>> It goes up 6.918027

9388
07:03:25,040 --> 07:03:26,000
million,

9389
07:03:26,000 --> 07:03:26,478
>> right?

9390
07:03:26,478 --> 07:03:27,920
>> 6.9,

9391
07:03:27,920 --> 07:03:30,718
>> but only 6.2 is the M piece.

9392
07:03:30,718 --> 07:03:31,520
>> That's what we care about.

9393
07:03:31,520 --> 07:03:32,638
>> That's the piece that goes in the

9394
07:03:32,638 --> 07:03:33,200
general fund.

9395
07:03:33,200 --> 07:03:34,160
>> Yeah. Don't look at Don't look at the

9396
07:03:34,160 --> 07:03:37,200
total together. Only look at the M.

9397
07:03:37,200 --> 07:03:39,520
The 63742

9398
07:03:39,520 --> 07:03:41,920
goes into the debt service fund and

9399
07:03:41,920 --> 07:03:44,400
that's constant no matter what your rate

9400
07:03:44,400 --> 07:03:45,280
is.

9401
07:03:45,280 --> 07:03:47,280
>> So the mayor had already planned for a

9402
07:03:47,280 --> 07:03:50,798
pretty significant increase.

9403
07:03:50,798 --> 07:03:54,000
>> Yeah, almost close to almost but not all

9404
07:03:54,000 --> 07:03:54,320
the way.

9405
07:03:54,320 --> 07:03:55,360
>> 7.14.

9406
07:03:55,360 --> 07:04:01,270
>> Yeah. 7.14. Not Yeah.

9407
07:04:01,280 --> 07:04:04,948
» Okay. So 6,287,285

9408
07:04:04,958 --> 07:04:06,878
is the 8% increase. Say it again.

9409
07:04:06,878 --> 07:04:07,920
>> Correct. Which is what he

9410
07:04:07,920 --> 07:04:09,680
>> turn your light on or turn your will you

9411
07:04:09,680 --> 07:04:11,840
say it again please.

9412
07:04:11,840 --> 07:04:16,638
>> So if you just look in M it's 6,287,285

9413
07:04:16,638 --> 07:04:18,080
at 8%.

9414
07:04:18,080 --> 07:04:20,878
>> We look at 7.99.

9415
07:04:20,878 --> 07:04:22,400
We can't go to eight, right? You have to

9416
07:04:22,400 --> 07:04:23,360
go 7.99.

9417
07:04:23,360 --> 07:04:25,040
>> Well, you could go to eight. We just

9418
07:04:25,040 --> 07:04:27,680
don't normally in case there's some type

9419
07:04:27,680 --> 07:04:29,520
of error, we try to make sure we know.

9420
07:04:29,520 --> 07:04:31,440
>> Okay. But the mayor already had what I'm

9421
07:04:31,440 --> 07:04:32,958
trying to get to. The mayor already had

9422
07:04:32,958 --> 07:04:35,600
6,242,000.

9423
07:04:35,600 --> 07:04:37,360
Do it on the right side for me. Tell me

9424
07:04:37,360 --> 07:04:39,520
if if if

9425
07:04:39,520 --> 07:04:41,680
we if you you want eight, what was it on

9426
07:04:41,680 --> 07:04:44,718
the right side? What was his number?

9427
07:04:44,718 --> 07:04:47,040
>> The what right side?

9428
07:04:47,040 --> 07:04:49,600
>> Give me the percentage, not the whole

9429
07:04:49,600 --> 07:04:51,600
amount.

9430
07:04:51,600 --> 07:04:52,958
Or give me the whole amount. I'll I'll

9431
07:04:52,958 --> 07:04:53,680
look over there.

9432
07:04:53,680 --> 07:04:55,760
>> Okay. At 7.99%.

9433
07:04:55,760 --> 07:04:56,878
>> Okay.

9434
07:04:56,878 --> 07:04:59,600
>> Right.

9435
07:04:59,600 --> 07:05:04,718
The the income in M is 6,286,73

9436
07:05:04,718 --> 07:05:05,760
on Marcy's paper.

9437
07:05:05,760 --> 07:05:06,718
>> Got it.

9438
07:05:06,718 --> 07:05:09,040
>> The mayor and the budget already had

9439
07:05:09,040 --> 07:05:11,360
6,242,000

9440
07:05:11,360 --> 07:05:14,558
>> which would be 7

9441
07:05:14,558 --> 07:05:17,600
little more than 7.14.

9442
07:05:17,600 --> 07:05:18,878
>> So 7.2.

9443
07:05:18,878 --> 07:05:21,440
>> Yeah. But what I'm saying is it's only a

9444
07:05:21,440 --> 07:05:23,200
44,000

9445
07:05:23,200 --> 07:05:24,000
difference,

9446
07:05:24,000 --> 07:05:26,878
>> right? So it's not like we can raise

9447
07:05:26,878 --> 07:05:29,520
another 500,000 by going to 8 8%. He's

9448
07:05:29,520 --> 07:05:31,040
already got a lot of it baked into his

9449
07:05:31,040 --> 07:05:31,680
budget here.

9450
07:05:31,680 --> 07:05:33,360
>> Correct.

9451
07:05:33,360 --> 07:05:36,558
>> So even if we go up to the 7.99, we only

9452
07:05:36,558 --> 07:05:38,080
get $40,000 more.

9453
07:05:38,080 --> 07:05:39,760
>> We're like 1.9 different from his

9454
07:05:39,760 --> 07:05:42,320
original budget. But I'm going to say

9455
07:05:42,320 --> 07:05:44,160
something that I don't even love, but

9456
07:05:44,160 --> 07:05:45,280
it's something that we need to talk

9457
07:05:45,280 --> 07:05:48,320
about that I mean, we are depleting our

9458
07:05:48,320 --> 07:05:50,320
savings quite a bit. We're one emergency

9459
07:05:50,320 --> 07:05:52,558
away from a bad situation. I I'm

9460
07:05:52,558 --> 07:05:55,760
thinking we can talk about the rate, but

9461
07:05:55,760 --> 07:05:57,760
I honestly don't think we can afford to

9462
07:05:57,760 --> 07:05:59,280
do the public works office. Either that

9463
07:05:59,280 --> 07:06:02,080
or we got to tear apart a lot. We could

9464
07:06:02,080 --> 07:06:04,878
also pick the interest rate and then go

9465
07:06:04,878 --> 07:06:06,878
for a bond specifically for the public

9466
07:06:06,878 --> 07:06:09,680
works. The Well, it's gone now and see

9467
07:06:09,680 --> 07:06:11,520
what the people think because there is a

9468
07:06:11,520 --> 07:06:15,280
bond for 5 million. Um, put it to the

9469
07:06:15,280 --> 07:06:17,040
people.

9470
07:06:17,040 --> 07:06:20,240
I mean,

9471
07:06:20,240 --> 07:06:22,798
>> if you did a

9472
07:06:22,798 --> 07:06:26,638
looking at doing a bond just for public,

9473
07:06:26,638 --> 07:06:28,320
that would be better.

9474
07:06:28,320 --> 07:06:30,478
>> A better tool for that would be a bank

9475
07:06:30,478 --> 07:06:31,840
loan.

9476
07:06:31,840 --> 07:06:33,920
>> I don't I don't believe we can issue an

9477
07:06:33,920 --> 07:06:36,080
a bond for a public works building.

9478
07:06:36,080 --> 07:06:37,680
That's why it's being funded out of the

9479
07:06:37,680 --> 07:06:41,120
general fund already. There's very

9480
07:06:41,120 --> 07:06:43,280
narrow what we can issue the bonds for.

9481
07:06:43,280 --> 07:06:45,360
It's mostly water, sewer. We could do a

9482
07:06:45,360 --> 07:06:47,680
fire department. We could do a library.

9483
07:06:47,680 --> 07:06:49,040
>> I also think you'll get more voter

9484
07:06:49,040 --> 07:06:51,040
approval if you do a bond for roads than

9485
07:06:51,040 --> 07:06:54,160
>> No, we can't do We can't do a library.

9486
07:06:54,160 --> 07:06:54,478
>> Yeah.

9487
07:06:54,478 --> 07:06:55,440
>> Can you do roads?

9488
07:06:55,440 --> 07:06:58,080
>> We can do a We can do roads. We can do

9489
07:06:58,080 --> 07:07:00,558
water, sewer, we can do public work

9490
07:07:00,558 --> 07:07:02,000
facilities. We can't

9491
07:07:02,000 --> 07:07:02,558
>> No,

9492
07:07:02,558 --> 07:07:03,840
>> I don't think

9493
07:07:03,840 --> 07:07:05,440
>> that's why public works is in the

9494
07:07:05,440 --> 07:07:06,320
general fund. Now,

9495
07:07:06,320 --> 07:07:10,000
>> now that pertains to cos only

9496
07:07:10,000 --> 07:07:12,160
certificate of obligations. There's two

9497
07:07:12,160 --> 07:07:15,040
things. certificate of obligations and a

9498
07:07:15,040 --> 07:07:17,760
general obligation bond. A certificate

9499
07:07:17,760 --> 07:07:20,000
of obligation and this is the last

9500
07:07:20,000 --> 07:07:23,440
manner in 2022 is what we did. We

9501
07:07:23,440 --> 07:07:25,440
determined, okay, we need to group, we

9502
07:07:25,440 --> 07:07:28,400
need to finance these projects.

9503
07:07:28,400 --> 07:07:30,718
>> They're going to be needed anyway.

9504
07:07:30,718 --> 07:07:31,200
>> If you did,

9505
07:07:31,200 --> 07:07:34,080
>> we made that decision and we took a

9506
07:07:34,080 --> 07:07:36,718
council vote.

9507
07:07:36,718 --> 07:07:38,160
If you don't now,

9508
07:07:38,160 --> 07:07:40,160
>> if you did a bond,

9509
07:07:40,160 --> 07:07:42,798
>> I believe you could go to an election to

9510
07:07:42,798 --> 07:07:44,080
do a public works facility.

9511
07:07:44,080 --> 07:07:45,920
>> That would be the go the general

9512
07:07:45,920 --> 07:07:47,920
obligation bond. You go to an election.

9513
07:07:47,920 --> 07:07:48,558
>> That's what I was

9514
07:07:48,558 --> 07:07:50,320
>> I don't think the public knows how bad

9515
07:07:50,320 --> 07:07:51,840
we need a public works building. I don't

9516
07:07:51,840 --> 07:07:53,760
think they know about what all we know

9517
07:07:53,760 --> 07:07:55,280
about

9518
07:07:55,280 --> 07:07:56,718
why we need it and everything like that.

9519
07:07:56,718 --> 07:07:57,520
So,

9520
07:07:57,520 --> 07:07:58,718
>> I just don't think that I would think

9521
07:07:58,718 --> 07:07:59,920
they would strike it down. I don't think

9522
07:07:59,920 --> 07:08:01,520
they would think, oh, $5 million for

9523
07:08:01,520 --> 07:08:03,120
that. I don't

9524
07:08:03,120 --> 07:08:05,840
>> Well, you you you don't know. I think

9525
07:08:05,840 --> 07:08:07,440
you have to educate them. I don't mind

9526
07:08:07,440 --> 07:08:08,958
doing the roads. I just think we're

9527
07:08:08,958 --> 07:08:10,478
going to have a lot of people upset if

9528
07:08:10,478 --> 07:08:12,878
we fund the public works building and

9529
07:08:12,878 --> 07:08:14,638
then put the roads up and what if the

9530
07:08:14,638 --> 07:08:16,080
roads don't get funded? Like what if the

9531
07:08:16,080 --> 07:08:16,878
bond doesn't?

9532
07:08:16,878 --> 07:08:19,840
>> Here's my here's my here's why what one

9533
07:08:19,840 --> 07:08:21,280
option I think we do. I think we take

9534
07:08:21,280 --> 07:08:24,718
out the 120,000 for Hasslup Park

9535
07:08:24,718 --> 07:08:26,558
reinforced concrete. We take out the

9536
07:08:26,558 --> 07:08:29,520
100,000 for a town hall concept. After

9537
07:08:29,520 --> 07:08:30,798
we do the strategic plan, we can come

9538
07:08:30,798 --> 07:08:33,600
back to that. We have contingency. Um,

9539
07:08:33,600 --> 07:08:36,958
that gets us down to only $430,000

9540
07:08:36,958 --> 07:08:38,878
different than the proposed budget.

9541
07:08:38,878 --> 07:08:40,000
>> What?

9542
07:08:40,000 --> 07:08:42,240
>> We are only We are only asking for

9543
07:08:42,240 --> 07:08:45,200
$650,000 more in capital outlay.

9544
07:08:45,200 --> 07:08:47,120
>> Well, we're 1.9 off total.

9545
07:08:47,120 --> 07:08:49,600
>> Yes, because it's 660 more in

9546
07:08:49,600 --> 07:08:51,440
expenditures, but I'm trying to get the

9547
07:08:51,440 --> 07:08:53,760
capital outlay down a little bit. And

9548
07:08:53,760 --> 07:08:58,160
the oneus 120US 100 would get it to 430.

9549
07:08:58,160 --> 07:08:59,760
Is there anything else on the list? I do

9550
07:08:59,760 --> 07:09:00,798
not want to take the public works

9551
07:09:00,798 --> 07:09:04,798
building off. I'm I'm okay with maybe making it a little bit less

9552
07:09:04,798 --> 07:09:08,160
instead of the what we put 3 point what

9553
07:09:08,160 --> 07:09:09,760
do we put in there

9554
07:09:09,760 --> 07:09:11,120
>> the public works building not going to

9555
07:09:11,120 --> 07:09:11,680
get million

9556
07:09:11,680 --> 07:09:12,558
>> 3.25 25.

9557
07:09:12,558 --> 07:09:13,760
>> The public works building is not going

9558
07:09:13,760 --> 07:09:16,718
to get cheaper.

9559
07:09:16,718 --> 07:09:18,320
>> I want to make a comment about that

9560
07:09:18,320 --> 07:09:20,718
public works building. I would recommend

9561
07:09:20,718 --> 07:09:23,200
you focus on the facilities, the

9562
07:09:23,200 --> 07:09:24,718
buildings,

9563
07:09:24,718 --> 07:09:25,120
the

9564
07:09:25,120 --> 07:09:26,240
>> He just said he wanted to do the roads

9565
07:09:26,240 --> 07:09:26,798
first,

9566
07:09:26,798 --> 07:09:30,718
>> but not the road. They can use that road

9567
07:09:30,718 --> 07:09:34,000
they have now into this facility.

9568
07:09:34,000 --> 07:09:36,320
>> And then you can look at another budget

9569
07:09:36,320 --> 07:09:38,638
year if you need to build a road, but

9570
07:09:38,638 --> 07:09:41,680
it's not necessary. It's not I'll say

9571
07:09:41,680 --> 07:09:45,280
it's not a necessity for them to access

9572
07:09:45,280 --> 07:09:46,878
that new site.

9573
07:09:46,878 --> 07:09:47,200
>> Okay.

9574
07:09:47,200 --> 07:09:47,920
>> I know that

9575
07:09:47,920 --> 07:09:50,240
>> I think what about for the park

9576
07:09:50,240 --> 07:09:52,080
>> and that knocks what almost 2 million

9577
07:09:52,080 --> 07:09:52,400
out

9578
07:09:52,400 --> 07:09:54,718
>> and actually it's 180,000 not 120

9579
07:09:54,718 --> 07:09:57,840
because we upped it to 180,000 for Hlet

9580
07:09:57,840 --> 07:09:59,040
Park. I forgot

9581
07:09:59,040 --> 07:10:00,878
>> for the community park. Could we remove

9582
07:10:00,878 --> 07:10:03,280
the extra 300,000 and of leave it for

9583
07:10:03,280 --> 07:10:04,958
HCDC if that's something that they want

9584
07:10:04,958 --> 07:10:08,240
to fund? I mean I mean they were I mean

9585
07:10:08,240 --> 07:10:11,600
>> that that's $300,000.

9586
07:10:11,600 --> 07:10:13,040
>> We could cut it in half or we could take

9587
07:10:13,040 --> 07:10:15,520
out a hundred or something like that and

9588
07:10:15,520 --> 07:10:16,558
I'm I'm okay with that.

9589
07:10:16,558 --> 07:10:18,400
>> I think that on top of a h 100,000 for a

9590
07:10:18,400 --> 07:10:19,840
sports field design when we're looking

9591
07:10:19,840 --> 07:10:21,840
at the budget that we can I I think it's

9592
07:10:21,840 --> 07:10:24,000
fiscally irresponsible.

9593
07:10:24,000 --> 07:10:27,520
I truly do. If the HCDC wants to fund

9594
07:10:27,520 --> 07:10:28,958
the more expensive park because we have

9595
07:10:28,958 --> 07:10:30,160
both

9596
07:10:30,160 --> 07:10:34,320
>> they've already tried that. No,

9597
07:10:34,320 --> 07:10:35,360
>> the parks board is going to make a

9598
07:10:35,360 --> 07:10:38,478
decision Wednesday on what park they choose. So that's

9599
07:10:38,478 --> 07:10:39,600
>> and if they choose the

9600
07:10:39,600 --> 07:10:42,478
>> but this 300,000 is I felt when I

9601
07:10:42,478 --> 07:10:44,080
watched the meeting it was about some

9602
07:10:44,080 --> 07:10:45,120
other options they were planning on

9603
07:10:45,120 --> 07:10:47,760
doing the park. It wasn't just for the

9604
07:10:47,760 --> 07:10:49,920
>> 300,000 there one I think is for like

9605
07:10:49,920 --> 07:10:52,638
some sport or for some like exercising

9606
07:10:52,638 --> 07:10:53,440
and stuff like that.

9607
07:10:53,440 --> 07:10:54,478
>> If they don't get a grant there's a

9608
07:10:54,478 --> 07:10:55,440
couple other things. Yeah.

9609
07:10:55,440 --> 07:10:57,360
>> But I think I'm okay lessing that to

9610
07:10:57,360 --> 07:10:59,680
maybe 200,000 that's cuts us back

9611
07:10:59,680 --> 07:11:02,320
another 100,000. I disagree with any if

9612
07:11:02,320 --> 07:11:04,000
we're if we're upgrading the park next

9613
07:11:04,000 --> 07:11:05,760
year, let's do that and then the

9614
07:11:05,760 --> 07:11:07,600
following year

9615
07:11:07,600 --> 07:11:09,280
when we've got a little bit more money

9616
07:11:09,280 --> 07:11:11,680
maybe or if we prepare to go to a bond

9617
07:11:11,680 --> 07:11:13,520
for the roads because truly I see us

9618
07:11:13,520 --> 07:11:14,798
we're going to have to at some point go

9619
07:11:14,798 --> 07:11:17,120
to a bond for the roads. Hopefully we're

9620
07:11:17,120 --> 07:11:19,040
not funding all of it. Hopefully our

9621
07:11:19,040 --> 07:11:21,280
partners are working with us. But

9622
07:11:21,280 --> 07:11:23,040
>> I think let's take off the 300,000.

9623
07:11:23,040 --> 07:11:24,798
That'll get us closer to what what

9624
07:11:24,798 --> 07:11:26,320
you're talking about. I think we need to

9625
07:11:26,320 --> 07:11:28,400
do everything that Mike talked about for

9626
07:11:28,400 --> 07:11:29,680
the public works building. And I don't

9627
07:11:29,680 --> 07:11:31,760
agree with taking 300,000 off. I'm okay

9628
07:11:31,760 --> 07:11:34,718
with taking some, but if if the if it

9629
07:11:34,718 --> 07:11:36,878
doesn't get funded by the EDC, we're

9630
07:11:36,878 --> 07:11:38,160
just assuming it's going to. It might

9631
07:11:38,160 --> 07:11:39,360
not. Then they need those funds

9632
07:11:39,360 --> 07:11:42,548
available.

9633
07:11:42,558 --> 07:11:44,478
» We can request it from the EDC. Right.

9634
07:11:44,478 --> 07:11:46,240
>> Right. And they can refuse it. So, I

9635
07:11:46,240 --> 07:11:47,600
mean, that's just giving them another

9636
07:11:47,600 --> 07:11:49,600
option. It might not even be used. I

9637
07:11:49,600 --> 07:11:50,000
mean,

9638
07:11:50,000 --> 07:11:53,840
>> if the EDC's fund it, we

9639
07:11:53,840 --> 07:11:55,520
part of the reason we put this in here

9640
07:11:55,520 --> 07:11:57,920
was so that we because if we're going to

9641
07:11:57,920 --> 07:11:59,360
pay for it, they're going to pay us

9642
07:11:59,360 --> 07:12:04,080
back. Um, which would be a wash.

9643
07:12:04,080 --> 07:12:04,478
Um,

9644
07:12:04,478 --> 07:12:06,160
>> but we don't have it of us getting paid

9645
07:12:06,160 --> 07:12:08,798
back right now. Correct. We just have it

9646
07:12:08,798 --> 07:12:10,080
as an expense.

9647
07:12:10,080 --> 07:12:13,040
>> Uh, no. I believe it's in the EDC's

9648
07:12:13,040 --> 07:12:15,920
for I believe it's in there for the

9649
07:12:15,920 --> 07:12:18,798
whole thing. I I think they the EDC I

9650
07:12:18,798 --> 07:12:20,400
think approved it. I don't know the park

9651
07:12:20,400 --> 07:12:21,200
wants to.

9652
07:12:21,200 --> 07:12:22,798
>> Is there any other items that y'all like

9653
07:12:22,798 --> 07:12:24,478
I'm just looking at like I said 180

9654
07:12:24,478 --> 07:12:25,760
taking off for the house of park

9655
07:12:25,760 --> 07:12:29,200
reinforcement 100,000 for the town hall

9656
07:12:29,200 --> 07:12:30,878
vision.

9657
07:12:30,878 --> 07:12:33,360
Um

9658
07:12:33,360 --> 07:12:35,680
possibly reducing like I said the public

9659
07:12:35,680 --> 07:12:37,840
works by a little bit maybe not. You you

9660
07:12:37,840 --> 07:12:40,160
don't want to do that. So um is there

9661
07:12:40,160 --> 07:12:41,760
anything else that you see that could be

9662
07:12:41,760 --> 07:12:43,280
>> I disagree with the 100,000 for the town

9663
07:12:43,280 --> 07:12:44,638
hall. We have to prepare for the

9664
07:12:44,638 --> 07:12:45,760
employees that we're going to have or

9665
07:12:45,760 --> 07:12:46,878
we're going to continue to have more and

9666
07:12:46,878 --> 07:12:48,320
more rent. Like we have to start

9667
07:12:48,320 --> 07:12:49,040
locating,

9668
07:12:49,040 --> 07:12:50,558
>> but that could come out of contingency

9669
07:12:50,558 --> 07:12:53,280
once Mr. um Anderson lets us know what

9670
07:12:53,280 --> 07:12:57,360
the cost would be with his associate.

9671
07:12:57,360 --> 07:12:58,718
>> I don't know if it needs to be budgeted

9672
07:12:58,718 --> 07:13:00,160
is all I'm saying.

9673
07:13:00,160 --> 07:13:02,638
>> As y'all have this discussion, I want to

9674
07:13:02,638 --> 07:13:05,840
with regard to at the bottom of the page

9675
07:13:05,840 --> 07:13:08,958
here, the bottom very bottom right is

9676
07:13:08,958 --> 07:13:11,920
your reserve amount. You know why? You

9677
07:13:11,920 --> 07:13:13,760
know, which what's the amount?

9678
07:13:13,760 --> 07:13:16,320
>> The reserve amount that you see is for

9679
07:13:16,320 --> 07:13:18,000
4,900

9680
07:13:18,000 --> 07:13:19,920
or 894,000

9681
07:13:19,920 --> 07:13:21,360
right now.

9682
07:13:21,360 --> 07:13:22,400
>> You know,

9683
07:13:22,400 --> 07:13:25,280
>> it's 295.

9684
07:13:25,280 --> 07:13:26,718
>> I got the wrong one.

9685
07:13:26,718 --> 07:13:27,120
>> Yes.

9686
07:13:27,120 --> 07:13:28,478
>> I also think we could reduce the

9687
07:13:28,478 --> 07:13:30,320
contingency to the contingency is at 1

9688
07:13:30,320 --> 07:13:31,600
million, right?

9689
07:13:31,600 --> 07:13:33,280
>> Oh my gosh.

9690
07:13:33,280 --> 07:13:34,160
>> Are you serious?

9691
07:13:34,160 --> 07:13:35,520
>> Contingencies at 1 million.

9692
07:13:35,520 --> 07:13:38,320
>> Okay, let me make maybe this is more

9693
07:13:38,320 --> 07:13:41,200
relevant now. you know the importance of

9694
07:13:41,200 --> 07:13:44,478
that number right there as I was showing

9695
07:13:44,478 --> 07:13:46,478
you earlier

9696
07:13:46,478 --> 07:13:50,080
uh with regard to the fire department.

9697
07:13:50,080 --> 07:13:51,360
>> Which number are you talking about Mr.

9698
07:13:51,360 --> 07:13:51,840
Mayor?

9699
07:13:51,840 --> 07:13:53,920
>> He's saying we are one emergency away

9700
07:13:53,920 --> 07:13:55,680
like just needing a fire truck. Say our

9701
07:13:55,680 --> 07:13:57,680
fire truck breaks down tomorrow. We have

9702
07:13:57,680 --> 07:13:58,400
a problem.

9703
07:13:58,400 --> 07:14:02,958
>> Yes. So let me is my comment is trying

9704
07:14:02,958 --> 07:14:06,558
to keep this number up gives us the

9705
07:14:06,558 --> 07:14:10,478
ability to pay cash for things like this

9706
07:14:10,478 --> 07:14:12,798
fire department vehicles over the next

9707
07:14:12,798 --> 07:14:16,240
10 years reasonably pay cash for it and

9708
07:14:16,240 --> 07:14:19,280
keep it off a bond

9709
07:14:19,280 --> 07:14:22,160
that reserve number as we go out you

9710
07:14:22,160 --> 07:14:25,120
know and each year last year this last

9711
07:14:25,120 --> 07:14:27,440
budget year we didn't do it we would go

9712
07:14:27,440 --> 07:14:28,878
up historically

9713
07:14:28,878 --> 07:14:33,040
uh 7.99 and that would reap us almost

9714
07:14:33,040 --> 07:14:35,920
$500,000 a year. And as you can see over

9715
07:14:35,920 --> 07:14:38,878
the years that reserve fund got built up

9716
07:14:38,878 --> 07:14:41,200
pretty well and then we decided, okay,

9717
07:14:41,200 --> 07:14:43,040
we need to start spending some of that

9718
07:14:43,040 --> 07:14:47,040
reserves then which we did. Okay, but

9719
07:14:47,040 --> 07:14:49,280
we're getting pretty steep on the

9720
07:14:49,280 --> 07:14:52,718
negative side right now. So I'm asking

9721
07:14:52,718 --> 07:14:55,360
you to please keep that in mind why that

9722
07:14:55,360 --> 07:14:59,040
reserve number is important.

9723
07:14:59,040 --> 07:14:59,840
Oh, go ahead.

9724
07:14:59,840 --> 07:15:01,440
>> Is the reserve number the nine?

9725
07:15:01,440 --> 07:15:02,798
>> No, it's the 2.9.

9726
07:15:02,798 --> 07:15:04,160
>> The 2.9. That's what you're talking

9727
07:15:04,160 --> 07:15:04,320
about.

9728
07:15:04,320 --> 07:15:05,600
>> That's how much you're about to drop it

9729
07:15:05,600 --> 07:15:06,638
by.

9730
07:15:06,638 --> 07:15:09,440
>> We were at 17 million in 2025 and we're

9731
07:15:09,440 --> 07:15:10,878
about to drop it to just under three

9732
07:15:10,878 --> 07:15:24,948
million.

9733
07:15:24,958 --> 07:15:26,320
» Because we could change a contingency,

9734
07:15:26,320 --> 07:15:27,600
too. That's a million dollars in

9735
07:15:27,600 --> 07:15:30,718
contingency. That could be 5%.

9736
07:15:30,718 --> 07:15:31,360
>> Or nothing

9737
07:15:31,360 --> 07:15:33,520
>> and give us 500. I mean, or nothing.

9738
07:15:33,520 --> 07:15:35,520
You're right. Or nothing.

9739
07:15:35,520 --> 07:15:36,878
>> We didn't used to have it before. We

9740
07:15:36,878 --> 07:15:39,520
never had it until Mayor Holy. But but I

9741
07:15:39,520 --> 07:15:41,520
do think it serves some purpose. Um

9742
07:15:41,520 --> 07:15:43,200
maybe not at

9743
07:15:43,200 --> 07:15:46,080
>> maybe not 10%, but 5% would be 500,000

9744
07:15:46,080 --> 07:15:48,478
back in. I let me tell you the purpose

9745
07:15:48,478 --> 07:15:51,830
that it serves is that as a contingency

9746
07:15:51,830 --> 07:15:52,400
[clears throat]

9747
07:15:52,400 --> 07:15:54,798
a budgeted item line item here of

9748
07:15:54,798 --> 07:15:56,400
contingency

9749
07:15:56,400 --> 07:15:59,200
it is part of this general fund. Now

9750
07:15:59,200 --> 07:16:00,718
let's say there's something that comes

9751
07:16:00,718 --> 07:16:05,600
up throughout the year and you need

9752
07:16:05,600 --> 07:16:08,638
$300,000 for

9753
07:16:08,638 --> 07:16:10,638
and

9754
07:16:10,638 --> 07:16:13,680
there's nowhere among all these items

9755
07:16:13,680 --> 07:16:16,000
within the budget. So you can make

9756
07:16:16,000 --> 07:16:19,520
changes within the budget without a

9757
07:16:19,520 --> 07:16:20,958
budget amendment.

9758
07:16:20,958 --> 07:16:22,558
>> I I understand what it what

9759
07:16:22,558 --> 07:16:24,718
>> is you can pull from that contingency

9760
07:16:24,718 --> 07:16:26,798
without a budget amendment. That's the

9761
07:16:26,798 --> 07:16:27,520
purpose of it.

9762
07:16:27,520 --> 07:16:29,040
>> Right. And I I understand what work

9763
07:16:29,040 --> 07:16:31,040
contingency means. I think I remember

9764
07:16:31,040 --> 07:16:33,760
originally proposed it was 20 thou 20%

9765
07:16:33,760 --> 07:16:36,080
or maybe 15 but we decided 10 as a

9766
07:16:36,080 --> 07:16:38,000
council. So we can decide less as a

9767
07:16:38,000 --> 07:16:40,478
council. Now, if we go to 5%, it gives

9768
07:16:40,478 --> 07:16:42,958
us 500,000 still in there, and then puts

9769
07:16:42,958 --> 07:16:45,680
500,000 back in the um reserve. And then

9770
07:16:45,680 --> 07:16:48,638
if we take off off a few things, 180

9771
07:16:48,638 --> 07:16:51,360
here, 100 there, 200 here, then we're

9772
07:16:51,360 --> 07:16:53,760
really whittling away down at the the

9773
07:16:53,760 --> 07:16:55,440
cost.

9774
07:16:55,440 --> 07:16:57,600
And then go up to 7.99. What does that

9775
07:16:57,600 --> 07:16:59,040
how much extra does that or how much

9776
07:16:59,040 --> 07:17:00,160
does that produce for us?

9777
07:17:00,160 --> 07:17:02,478
>> $40,000.

9778
07:17:02,478 --> 07:17:03,920
>> $44,000.

9779
07:17:03,920 --> 07:17:05,200
>> Because he already had a lot of it baked

9780
07:17:05,200 --> 07:17:05,920
in here already,

9781
07:17:05,920 --> 07:17:08,000
>> Marcy, what point do you think is

9782
07:17:08,000 --> 07:17:10,400
necessary to keep

9783
07:17:10,400 --> 07:17:13,360
>> the not contingency the the the reserve

9784
07:17:13,360 --> 07:17:15,600
surplus where where do you think we need

9785
07:17:15,600 --> 07:17:17,280
to be as a city

9786
07:17:17,280 --> 07:17:19,520
>> off of your experience?

9787
07:17:19,520 --> 07:17:23,600
>> Well, the the target that we have is 50%

9788
07:17:23,600 --> 07:17:28,240
at 5.2 million and that's that's part of

9789
07:17:28,240 --> 07:17:31,120
it. Now, this reserve surplus is the

9790
07:17:31,120 --> 07:17:32,638
2.9.

9791
07:17:32,638 --> 07:17:37,120
So, technically if you're reserving 5.2

9792
07:17:37,120 --> 07:17:38,718
two

9793
07:17:38,718 --> 07:17:40,718
um you're you're reserving that already.

9794
07:17:40,718 --> 07:17:42,878
If you look at the contingency, you

9795
07:17:42,878 --> 07:17:44,558
could add to that number if you reduced

9796
07:17:44,558 --> 07:17:47,600
it. That would raise that bottom number.

9797
07:17:47,600 --> 07:17:54,478
Um that the contingency and the target

9798
07:17:54,478 --> 07:17:57,200
uh have been policies of the council. So

9799
07:17:57,200 --> 07:18:00,080
if you don't feel that you need, you

9800
07:18:00,080 --> 07:18:02,240
know, that much of a target in your fund

9801
07:18:02,240 --> 07:18:08,788
balance, but if you if you'll look um

9802
07:18:08,798 --> 07:18:11,200
back historically,

9803
07:18:11,200 --> 07:18:14,160
I mean, you're you're still above the

9804
07:18:14,160 --> 07:18:16,878
target that you've had before, although

9805
07:18:16,878 --> 07:18:19,120
you're and and part of that is because

9806
07:18:19,120 --> 07:18:23,520
we did put fund 19 back in here.

9807
07:18:23,520 --> 07:18:25,280
Um,

9808
07:18:25,280 --> 07:18:27,600
so

9809
07:18:27,600 --> 07:18:29,520
you know, typically

9810
07:18:29,520 --> 07:18:31,680
you would look at an emergency reserve

9811
07:18:31,680 --> 07:18:34,638
of something to be

9812
07:18:34,638 --> 07:18:37,440
at least 90 to 120 days of your

9813
07:18:37,440 --> 07:18:39,280
operations.

9814
07:18:39,280 --> 07:18:41,280
Um, because if you were shut down for

9815
07:18:41,280 --> 07:18:44,080
some some reason, had a disaster or

9816
07:18:44,080 --> 07:18:49,040
something like that. But that's really a

9817
07:18:49,040 --> 07:18:50,558
you know it's really up to council what

9818
07:18:50,558 --> 07:18:53,760
you want your fund balance to be. I when

9819
07:18:53,760 --> 07:18:58,878
I first came on um it was probably in

9820
07:18:58,878 --> 07:19:01,600
the bottom line number was probably in

9821
07:19:01,600 --> 07:19:04,638
the million range. So we have made a lot

9822
07:19:04,638 --> 07:19:07,600
of progress. I would hate to see it go

9823
07:19:07,600 --> 07:19:09,600
down much further than

9824
07:19:09,600 --> 07:19:11,680
>> So you would say like this would be the

9825
07:19:11,680 --> 07:19:12,718
bottom line after this?

9826
07:19:12,718 --> 07:19:14,878
>> Yeah I think this is pretty bottom line.

9827
07:19:14,878 --> 07:19:17,280
Yeah, I remember Mr. Quinn was pretty he

9828
07:19:17,280 --> 07:19:18,400
was pretty big on

9829
07:19:18,400 --> 07:19:20,000
>> Yeah. And I want to get your

9830
07:19:20,000 --> 07:19:22,958
>> once again, not to belabor the fact, but

9831
07:19:22,958 --> 07:19:24,320
um and not to pick on the fire

9832
07:19:24,320 --> 07:19:25,920
department, but we build in some things

9833
07:19:25,920 --> 07:19:27,600
last year

9834
07:19:27,600 --> 07:19:31,360
>> that that keep on going. I mean, they're

9835
07:19:31,360 --> 07:19:38,558
the gifts that keep on giving. So any kind of increase is Yeah. it's going

9836
07:19:38,558 --> 07:19:41,840
to continue to take that if you don't

9837
07:19:41,840 --> 07:19:45,360
keep your M rate up

9838
07:19:45,360 --> 07:19:47,520
um your reserve is just going to

9839
07:19:47,520 --> 07:19:49,760
continue to go down unless you

9840
07:19:49,760 --> 07:19:52,400
drastically reduce your capital or as

9841
07:19:52,400 --> 07:19:54,718
the mayor mentioned issue some debt to

9842
07:19:54,718 --> 07:19:56,478
fund something. So you think if we were

9843
07:19:56,478 --> 07:19:58,080
to keep everything we have it, keep this

9844
07:19:58,080 --> 07:19:59,760
as it is right now, you would just

9845
07:19:59,760 --> 07:20:02,320
highly encourage that we're next year

9846
07:20:02,320 --> 07:20:04,320
considering either a bond or an increase

9847
07:20:04,320 --> 07:20:05,760
to the the M

9848
07:20:05,760 --> 07:20:08,160
>> or you consider a bond this year?

9849
07:20:08,160 --> 07:20:08,558
>> Yeah.

9850
07:20:08,558 --> 07:20:09,680
>> We're not ready for a bond.

9851
07:20:09,680 --> 07:20:10,320
>> Or we take

9852
07:20:10,320 --> 07:20:12,000
>> Well, you don't know that you're not.

9853
07:20:12,000 --> 07:20:14,160
>> Or we take off some items. We we reduce

9854
07:20:14,160 --> 07:20:16,160
the contingency and that gets us about

9855
07:20:16,160 --> 07:20:18,080
$700,000 more in our

9856
07:20:18,080 --> 07:20:19,280
>> I'm sorry. Say that one more time.

9857
07:20:19,280 --> 07:20:21,840
>> You reduce the contingency by 5%. That

9858
07:20:21,840 --> 07:20:25,200
gives us $528,000 to add back in. And

9859
07:20:25,200 --> 07:20:27,840
then we take off the 180. Maybe that's

9860
07:20:27,840 --> 07:20:29,920
it.

9861
07:20:29,920 --> 07:20:32,878
And that gives us even more.

9862
07:20:32,878 --> 07:20:34,400
>> Does it matter? Oh, I'm so sorry. Go

9863
07:20:34,400 --> 07:20:35,760
ahead.

9864
07:20:35,760 --> 07:20:38,868
>> Um, [clears throat]

9865
07:20:38,878 --> 07:20:41,040
Miss Wise just asked, "Will we do it for

9866
07:20:41,040 --> 07:20:42,478
a bond?" You said, "Well, you don't know

9867
07:20:42,478 --> 07:20:47,040
that yet, but it's at the end of August

9868
07:20:47,040 --> 07:20:48,718
or

9869
07:20:48,718 --> 07:20:51,120
uh, you know, 1 of August. The

9870
07:20:51,120 --> 07:20:53,120
election's in the 1 of November. So in

9871
07:20:53,120 --> 07:20:54,878
like two months we'll have an election.

9872
07:20:54,878 --> 07:20:57,760
So can we get a bond ready by in less

9873
07:20:57,760 --> 07:20:59,920
than two months?

9874
07:20:59,920 --> 07:21:01,200
>> 17th of this month.

9875
07:21:01,200 --> 07:21:03,600
>> Okay. So we have so we have we have we

9876
07:21:03,600 --> 07:21:04,320
have nine days.

9877
07:21:04,320 --> 07:21:07,360
>> We would need to notify the county that

9878
07:21:07,360 --> 07:21:09,440
we're going to have an election. That's

9879
07:21:09,440 --> 07:21:11,360
what that date is.

9880
07:21:11,360 --> 07:21:15,440
>> But yes, they could Hilltop could get a

9881
07:21:15,440 --> 07:21:17,600
bond ready if you knew the amount what

9882
07:21:17,600 --> 07:21:18,878
you're going to use it for.

9883
07:21:18,878 --> 07:21:20,718
>> When when is that when is that like when

9884
07:21:20,718 --> 07:21:22,160
do we need to have that done by? If that

9885
07:21:22,160 --> 07:21:24,558
was the case,

9886
07:21:24,558 --> 07:21:27,040
>> it would be tight for them to do that.

9887
07:21:27,040 --> 07:21:28,638
>> So, would you feel more comfortable with

9888
07:21:28,638 --> 07:21:31,680
the 3.664902?

9889
07:21:31,680 --> 07:21:32,878
>> I'm sorry. Say

9890
07:21:32,878 --> 07:21:34,718
>> 3.664

9891
07:21:34,718 --> 07:21:36,080
instead of two. Instead of looking at

9892
07:21:36,080 --> 07:21:38,638
the 2956, it'd be 3664.

9893
07:21:38,638 --> 07:21:39,600
>> She's making it.

9894
07:21:39,600 --> 07:21:40,718
>> Yeah, I'm just adding numbers.

9895
07:21:40,718 --> 07:21:41,920
>> Doesn't matter where it is, whether it

9896
07:21:41,920 --> 07:21:43,520
be in the contingency or the reserve

9897
07:21:43,520 --> 07:21:45,040
surplus. Isn't that all sitting to the

9898
07:21:45,040 --> 07:21:46,478
side anyway? Does it really matter?

9899
07:21:46,478 --> 07:21:47,360
>> That's what you're saying.

9900
07:21:47,360 --> 07:21:48,638
>> Where it's located?

9901
07:21:48,638 --> 07:21:49,520
>> That's just what you're moving. It's

9902
07:21:49,520 --> 07:21:50,798
just moving from there to there. Yeah.

9903
07:21:50,798 --> 07:21:51,760
But it looks better.

9904
07:21:51,760 --> 07:21:52,798
>> Still 9.

9905
07:21:52,798 --> 07:21:54,160
>> It's still [clears throat]

9906
07:21:54,160 --> 07:21:54,400
>> Yeah,

9907
07:21:54,400 --> 07:21:55,440
>> that's what you're saying. It's still

9908
07:21:55,440 --> 07:21:56,160
3.9

9909
07:21:56,160 --> 07:21:57,440
>> 9.3 million at

9910
07:21:57,440 --> 07:21:59,120
>> Yeah. I just think as we move through

9911
07:21:59,120 --> 07:22:00,958
the next year, if we leave this as it

9912
07:22:00,958 --> 07:22:03,120
is, as we move through this next year,

9913
07:22:03,120 --> 07:22:05,120
we need to realize

9914
07:22:05,120 --> 07:22:06,718
>> that we do not have the money for the

9915
07:22:06,718 --> 07:22:08,958
roads that are incoming or to even

9916
07:22:08,958 --> 07:22:10,638
finish out what's required for the roads

9917
07:22:10,638 --> 07:22:14,478
next year to if you we are going to have

9918
07:22:14,478 --> 07:22:17,040
to do a bond next year as in like a year

9919
07:22:17,040 --> 07:22:18,878
from now. We need to be ready and we

9920
07:22:18,878 --> 07:22:21,040
need to be considering and getting the

9921
07:22:21,040 --> 07:22:23,520
estimates for those roads ready and

9922
07:22:23,520 --> 07:22:24,878
finding out what our partners will

9923
07:22:24,878 --> 07:22:26,558
contribute if that makes

9924
07:22:26,558 --> 07:22:28,400
>> I yes that makes 100% but

9925
07:22:28,400 --> 07:22:30,798
>> excuse me guys while you're talking

9926
07:22:30,798 --> 07:22:34,160
about that you mentioned but also

9927
07:22:34,160 --> 07:22:35,040
>> yes you can put

9928
07:22:35,040 --> 07:22:35,920
>> any general election

9929
07:22:35,920 --> 07:22:38,590
>> we won't be ready okay so it could be

9930
07:22:38,590 --> 07:22:39,440
[clears throat] in May also

9931
07:22:39,440 --> 07:22:42,240
>> in May you should do

9932
07:22:42,240 --> 07:22:45,120
>> have a bond

9933
07:22:45,120 --> 07:22:46,558
>> okay the only other thing I would say

9934
07:22:46,558 --> 07:22:48,558
with reducing the to five is you

9935
07:22:48,558 --> 07:22:52,080
wouldn't have to do a budget amendment.

9936
07:22:52,080 --> 07:22:53,600
>> Well, no. No, we want to leave at 10.

9937
07:22:53,600 --> 07:22:54,638
So, we don't have to do a budget

9938
07:22:54,638 --> 07:22:56,878
amendment, right?

9939
07:22:56,878 --> 07:22:58,160
>> Right. Is that correct?

9940
07:22:58,160 --> 07:22:59,600
>> What's that about budget amendment?

9941
07:22:59,600 --> 07:23:03,760
>> I would I would like to ask um Mr. um

9942
07:23:03,760 --> 07:23:07,520
Ashton, what in your past as a city

9943
07:23:07,520 --> 07:23:10,000
administrator, how you feel about

9944
07:23:10,000 --> 07:23:13,440
dipping to this level?

9945
07:23:13,440 --> 07:23:15,760
uh really just echo what Marcy said and

9946
07:23:15,760 --> 07:23:19,680
in particular and then also um I believe

9947
07:23:19,680 --> 07:23:21,600
it was either Miss Wise or Mr. Kurthers

9948
07:23:21,600 --> 07:23:23,200
that

9949
07:23:23,200 --> 07:23:25,440
when you're looking at the uh

9950
07:23:25,440 --> 07:23:27,760
contingency the fund balance target

9951
07:23:27,760 --> 07:23:29,360
that's been set by the council and then

9952
07:23:29,360 --> 07:23:32,240
the reserve surplus those can all be

9953
07:23:32,240 --> 07:23:33,680
thought of as broken out and then they

9954
07:23:33,680 --> 07:23:35,360
can all be thought of as one number too.

9955
07:23:35,360 --> 07:23:38,240
So I mean you you still you still have

9956
07:23:38,240 --> 07:23:41,040
multiple layers of

9957
07:23:41,040 --> 07:23:42,240
uh

9958
07:23:42,240 --> 07:23:44,160
of different things built in as opposed

9959
07:23:44,160 --> 07:23:47,600
to just having a final reserve of of

9960
07:23:47,600 --> 07:23:50,798
that number. So, it really is like Marcy

9961
07:23:50,798 --> 07:23:52,478
said, it's it's what the council's

9962
07:23:52,478 --> 07:23:54,878
philosophy is on those numbers and

9963
07:23:54,878 --> 07:23:57,600
wanting to to adhere to those numbers.

9964
07:23:57,600 --> 07:24:00,000
>> And let me may I share you because I

9965
07:24:00,000 --> 07:24:02,798
instituted these numbers. May I share

9966
07:24:02,798 --> 07:24:06,320
you the thought behind it?

9967
07:24:06,320 --> 07:24:09,200
is

9968
07:24:09,200 --> 07:24:13,750
one. Uh

9969
07:24:13,760 --> 07:24:17,760
contingency had been used quite often

9970
07:24:17,760 --> 07:24:22,160
prior to 2021. Some point in time the

9971
07:24:22,160 --> 07:24:25,440
council stopped using contingency but I

9972
07:24:25,440 --> 07:24:28,000
put it back in is because just like

9973
07:24:28,000 --> 07:24:30,798
these projects they don't know exactly

9974
07:24:30,798 --> 07:24:32,958
what's going to happen. We can't

9975
07:24:32,958 --> 07:24:35,680
forecast exactly what's going to happen.

9976
07:24:35,680 --> 07:24:38,638
what we'll spend on air from. We do our

9977
07:24:38,638 --> 07:24:39,680
best that we can.

9978
07:24:39,680 --> 07:24:40,878
>> I'm save. We're going to keep

9979
07:24:40,878 --> 07:24:42,400
contingency. I was the only one that I

9980
07:24:42,400 --> 07:24:45,200
was the only one talking

9981
07:24:45,200 --> 07:24:46,400
not in favor of it and I'm good.

9982
07:24:46,400 --> 07:24:47,440
Everybody else is good. So, we're good

9983
07:24:47,440 --> 07:24:48,160
with contingency.

9984
07:24:48,160 --> 07:24:50,160
>> Okay. I I just wanted to explain

9985
07:24:50,160 --> 07:24:52,400
>> more. We got it. I mean, we're good with

9986
07:24:52,400 --> 07:24:53,760
contingency. We're going to keep it in.

9987
07:24:53,760 --> 07:24:55,040
And you like you mentioned there's no

9988
07:24:55,040 --> 07:24:56,320
budget amendment.

9989
07:24:56,320 --> 07:24:59,440
>> The uh target of 50%.

9990
07:24:59,440 --> 07:25:00,558
>> We're good. I think we're good with

9991
07:25:00,558 --> 07:25:01,760
that, too.

9992
07:25:01,760 --> 07:25:03,840
>> You're good with the target of 50%.

9993
07:25:03,840 --> 07:25:05,440
>> Yeah. we were just visually looking at

9994
07:25:05,440 --> 07:25:08,240
it different that the these aren't all

9995
07:25:08,240 --> 07:25:10,160
this money is still the city's money

9996
07:25:10,160 --> 07:25:12,400
even though it's broken out it looks uh

9997
07:25:12,400 --> 07:25:14,558
less and actually it helps me because in

9998
07:25:14,558 --> 07:25:16,080
2023

9999
07:25:16,080 --> 07:25:18,160
if you look at the total of the fund

10000
07:25:18,160 --> 07:25:19,840
balance target and the reserve surplus

10001
07:25:19,840 --> 07:25:21,440
we're actually almost at the same this

10002
07:25:21,440 --> 07:25:23,120
year. So you do see a significant

10003
07:25:23,120 --> 07:25:26,240
increase but that's also when we had a

10004
07:25:26,240 --> 07:25:27,760
lot of income coming into the city. A

10005
07:25:27,760 --> 07:25:29,280
lot of homes being built but we also did

10006
07:25:29,280 --> 07:25:30,958
have a lot of expense because of that in

10007
07:25:30,958 --> 07:25:33,200
those years. So, we're almost kind of

10008
07:25:33,200 --> 07:25:35,760
balancing back out to 2023. It's just

10009
07:25:35,760 --> 07:25:38,240
broken out differently. When you look at

10010
07:25:38,240 --> 07:25:40,000
the reserve surplus, it looks a little

10011
07:25:40,000 --> 07:25:41,840
scary. And that kind of shocked me cuz

10012
07:25:41,840 --> 07:25:45,440
it went 9.6 10 17 and now we're down to

10013
07:25:45,440 --> 07:25:47,680
two. But then once I saw it's because

10014
07:25:47,680 --> 07:25:49,040
they had been moved to separate

10015
07:25:49,040 --> 07:25:52,558
accounts, it's a little less. It's It's

10016
07:25:52,558 --> 07:25:53,520
easier to digest.

10017
07:25:53,520 --> 07:25:54,798
>> My question is, is there anything we

10018
07:25:54,798 --> 07:25:57,120
want to take off now or we want to

10019
07:25:57,120 --> 07:25:58,558
That's my question. I just want to

10020
07:25:58,558 --> 07:26:01,600
mention one other thing that's when

10021
07:26:01,600 --> 07:26:03,200
you're talking about the tax rate. I

10022
07:26:03,200 --> 07:26:05,200
think this is one of the more important

10023
07:26:05,200 --> 07:26:07,280
things to look at and that's if you'll

10024
07:26:07,280 --> 07:26:09,760
look at the fund balance effect the

10025
07:26:09,760 --> 07:26:11,920
increase decrease

10026
07:26:11,920 --> 07:26:15,360
that's shows you what your tax rate and

10027
07:26:15,360 --> 07:26:18,240
all your revenues are actually covering

10028
07:26:18,240 --> 07:26:20,718
toward your operations.

10029
07:26:20,718 --> 07:26:24,160
And part of the reason that um your

10030
07:26:24,160 --> 07:26:27,840
operating expense um has gone up over

10031
07:26:27,840 --> 07:26:31,280
the years, particularly the last uh

10032
07:26:31,280 --> 07:26:34,638
three or four, is because the mayor has

10033
07:26:34,638 --> 07:26:38,000
um put in raises, the council's put in

10034
07:26:38,000 --> 07:26:41,440
raises. Um we've had additional expenses

10035
07:26:41,440 --> 07:26:45,760
for, you know, a multitude of things. Um

10036
07:26:45,760 --> 07:26:47,280
>> we've doubled the number of employees.

10037
07:26:47,280 --> 07:26:48,558
>> Yes, we've doubled the number of

10038
07:26:48,558 --> 07:26:50,798
employees. Those are all recurring

10039
07:26:50,798 --> 07:26:52,878
expenses. And if you look at this right

10040
07:26:52,878 --> 07:26:56,240
hand column, uh you're only covering all

10041
07:26:56,240 --> 07:27:00,878
those expenses right now um at 653,000

10042
07:27:00,878 --> 07:27:04,240
to the good. So that's the number in the

10043
07:27:04,240 --> 07:27:07,120
future that's really the most important

10044
07:27:07,120 --> 07:27:10,000
because you can fund your capital with

10045
07:27:10,000 --> 07:27:12,478
other financing mechanisms, but you

10046
07:27:12,478 --> 07:27:16,080
really can't fund your M with much else

10047
07:27:16,080 --> 07:27:20,160
unless we get the sales tax. Um and you

10048
07:27:20,160 --> 07:27:20,798
know unless

10049
07:27:20,798 --> 07:27:22,000
>> all goes back to sales tax.

10050
07:27:22,000 --> 07:27:25,440
>> Yeah. Unless we um keep our tax rate

10051
07:27:25,440 --> 07:27:28,878
sufficient to cover those and it it you

10052
07:27:28,878 --> 07:27:31,280
know to me it it's not necessarily are

10053
07:27:31,280 --> 07:27:32,798
you raising rates, are you lowering

10054
07:27:32,798 --> 07:27:35,840
rates? You know I know politically for

10055
07:27:35,840 --> 07:27:38,478
you all that that's a hard thing but to

10056
07:27:38,478 --> 07:27:40,478
have a rate that's sufficient to cover

10057
07:27:40,478 --> 07:27:42,958
your expenses there's nothing wrong with

10058
07:27:42,958 --> 07:27:45,520
that. that's that's fiscally responsible

10059
07:27:45,520 --> 07:27:47,360
to make sure that you can cover your

10060
07:27:47,360 --> 07:27:49,520
expenses. So, I almost think that that's

10061
07:27:49,520 --> 07:27:52,320
really a more important number than the

10062
07:27:52,320 --> 07:27:55,840
capital. Capital's a one-time hit and

10063
07:27:55,840 --> 07:27:57,840
you know, you do have other ways to

10064
07:27:57,840 --> 07:28:01,280
finance it. So, I just wanted to I just

10065
07:28:01,280 --> 07:28:02,000
wanted to say that

10066
07:28:02,000 --> 07:28:03,840
>> I'm good with the 7.99.

10067
07:28:03,840 --> 07:28:06,080
>> Marcy, thank you for validating my sales

10068
07:28:06,080 --> 07:28:08,708
tax. I appreciate that.

10069
07:28:08,714 --> 07:28:08,718
[laughter]

10070
07:28:08,718 --> 07:28:09,360
>> I agree.

10071
07:28:09,360 --> 07:28:10,398
>> I'm just going to keep going.

10072
07:28:10,398 --> 07:28:12,240
>> Do you you agree? I agree with the

10073
07:28:12,240 --> 07:28:14,638
7.990. I just want to make sure all as

10074
07:28:14,638 --> 07:28:17,120
council we're aware and working towards

10075
07:28:17,120 --> 07:28:18,478
a bond's going to be required for these

10076
07:28:18,478 --> 07:28:20,558
roads and it's we got to put in work to

10077
07:28:20,558 --> 07:28:21,440
have it ready next year.

10078
07:28:21,440 --> 07:28:23,520
>> We knew that a long time ago.

10079
07:28:23,520 --> 07:28:24,080
>> It's

10080
07:28:24,080 --> 07:28:25,440
>> we just have to come to the conversation

10081
07:28:25,440 --> 07:28:27,200
and come to the realization. I mean,

10082
07:28:27,200 --> 07:28:29,440
we're not going to fund 55 million to do

10083
07:28:29,440 --> 07:28:30,718
the whole blue mound,

10084
07:28:30,718 --> 07:28:32,398
>> but we can do a smaller amount to make

10085
07:28:32,398 --> 07:28:34,320
some some serious difference

10086
07:28:34,320 --> 07:28:38,240
>> 100%. And also, yeah, other roads John

10087
07:28:38,240 --> 07:28:40,240
Day is really concerning.

10088
07:28:40,240 --> 07:28:42,398
Yeah, I'm glad that

10089
07:28:42,398 --> 07:28:44,000
back in those are those two items are

10090
07:28:44,000 --> 07:28:45,600
huge to be placed back in the budget.

10091
07:28:45,600 --> 07:28:46,718
>> John Day and Blue Mountain are the

10092
07:28:46,718 --> 07:28:47,920
priorities, right? Because that's what

10093
07:28:47,920 --> 07:28:51,040
we we are we are required to fund those

10094
07:28:51,040 --> 07:28:52,320
roads anyway.

10095
07:28:52,320 --> 07:28:54,320
>> I do think we can get assistance. I

10096
07:28:54,320 --> 07:28:55,440
truly do.

10097
07:28:55,440 --> 07:28:57,120
>> John Day and the two intersections will

10098
07:28:57,120 --> 07:28:58,000
be huge to get those.

10099
07:28:58,000 --> 07:29:02,388
>> Absolutely.

10100
07:29:02,398 --> 07:29:03,920
» Okay. So, what do we need to do for

10101
07:29:03,920 --> 07:29:06,320
7.990?

10102
07:29:06,320 --> 07:29:08,160
>> Well, before that, are we good with not

10103
07:29:08,160 --> 07:29:09,280
taking anything out? We're leaving

10104
07:29:09,280 --> 07:29:10,718
everything in. Nothing's coming back.

10105
07:29:10,718 --> 07:29:11,520
Nothing's coming out.

10106
07:29:11,520 --> 07:29:12,798
>> What I would want to take out, I don't

10107
07:29:12,798 --> 07:29:14,478
think anybody else agrees. So, yes.

10108
07:29:14,478 --> 07:29:14,958
Which is what

10109
07:29:14,958 --> 07:29:17,600
>> she wants the 300 out. And I want the

10110
07:29:17,600 --> 07:29:19,440
180 out. So, I just got Let's Let's talk

10111
07:29:19,440 --> 07:29:21,040
about it. I mean, does anybody else want

10112
07:29:21,040 --> 07:29:22,398
the 180? If not, we'll leave it.

10113
07:29:22,398 --> 07:29:23,360
>> What's the 180 again?

10114
07:29:23,360 --> 07:29:24,320
>> The park.

10115
07:29:24,320 --> 07:29:26,320
>> Let me let me ask a question. I heard

10116
07:29:26,320 --> 07:29:28,558
earlier you're going to take Hasslet

10117
07:29:28,558 --> 07:29:29,280
Park out.

10118
07:29:29,280 --> 07:29:30,398
>> We're trying to talk about that right

10119
07:29:30,398 --> 07:29:31,120
now.

10120
07:29:31,120 --> 07:29:34,080
>> Oh, the two items I heard was Hasslet

10121
07:29:34,080 --> 07:29:36,638
Park and then the town hall 100,000.

10122
07:29:36,638 --> 07:29:38,240
decided I think the town hall was going

10123
07:29:38,240 --> 07:29:40,398
to stay in correct as a group.

10124
07:29:40,398 --> 07:29:40,958
>> I hope so.

10125
07:29:40,958 --> 07:29:42,638
>> I I mean I think so too. I mean thinking

10126
07:29:42,638 --> 07:29:44,718
about it and

10127
07:29:44,718 --> 07:29:49,830
>> so can I ask about the 300,000 because

10128
07:29:49,840 --> 07:29:52,638
» they have 500,000 already right?

10129
07:29:52,638 --> 07:29:54,958
>> We have allocated 500,000 in the general

10130
07:29:54,958 --> 07:29:58,558
>> the 300 was not to get a bigger better

10131
07:29:58,558 --> 07:30:00,000
park equipment. It was to do something

10132
07:30:00,000 --> 07:30:00,398
different.

10133
07:30:00,398 --> 07:30:01,280
>> No possibly.

10134
07:30:01,280 --> 07:30:01,760
>> Possibly.

10135
07:30:01,760 --> 07:30:02,878
[snorts] But it was also for

10136
07:30:02,878 --> 07:30:04,160
exercise equipment. They were want to

10137
07:30:04,160 --> 07:30:05,600
get a grant or something like that. And

10138
07:30:05,600 --> 07:30:06,958
so that that's kind of what that was

10139
07:30:06,958 --> 07:30:07,360
for.

10140
07:30:07,360 --> 07:30:08,478
>> Yeah. They were just they were just

10141
07:30:08,478 --> 07:30:10,558
asking for that additional money as a um

10142
07:30:10,558 --> 07:30:12,000
as a cushion is all.

10143
07:30:12,000 --> 07:30:15,200
>> Well, let me let me ask you let me well

10144
07:30:15,200 --> 07:30:18,638
make a comment. Think in terms of what

10145
07:30:18,638 --> 07:30:22,000
is needed? I know we're moving ahead. We

10146
07:30:22,000 --> 07:30:25,360
got to always move ahead. But which of

10147
07:30:25,360 --> 07:30:28,398
these items is needed right now? And one

10148
07:30:28,398 --> 07:30:31,840
the town hall thing. Um,

10149
07:30:31,840 --> 07:30:35,280
you're probably looking at a $25 million

10150
07:30:35,280 --> 07:30:36,718
project easily

10151
07:30:36,718 --> 07:30:37,680
>> for what?

10152
07:30:37,680 --> 07:30:38,958
>> For a town hall,

10153
07:30:38,958 --> 07:30:40,000
>> but but we're not

10154
07:30:40,000 --> 07:30:42,398
>> But but let me let me finish. I know

10155
07:30:42,398 --> 07:30:43,840
it's not what you want to hear.

10156
07:30:43,840 --> 07:30:45,200
>> No, I'm saying we're not even we're not

10157
07:30:45,200 --> 07:30:45,920
building it.

10158
07:30:45,920 --> 07:30:47,600
>> How does

10159
07:30:47,600 --> 07:30:49,200
building cost 25 million?

10160
07:30:49,200 --> 07:30:50,798
>> $100,000

10161
07:30:50,798 --> 07:30:52,080
to go look.

10162
07:30:52,080 --> 07:30:52,478
>> Okay.

10163
07:30:52,478 --> 07:30:54,798
>> So, I'm just saying you could put that

10164
07:30:54,798 --> 07:30:58,160
off another year.

10165
07:30:58,160 --> 07:31:00,160
>> Not saying erase it. just put it off

10166
07:31:00,160 --> 07:31:02,080
another year. Um,

10167
07:31:02,080 --> 07:31:03,440
>> but keep his library.

10168
07:31:03,440 --> 07:31:07,440
>> But likewise the um well, y'all have

10169
07:31:07,440 --> 07:31:10,080
erased the library. I understand that.

10170
07:31:10,080 --> 07:31:12,320
You've erased the community event

10171
07:31:12,320 --> 07:31:16,798
centers, but um some of this you there

10172
07:31:16,798 --> 07:31:18,878
there's there's three prongs. You got

10173
07:31:18,878 --> 07:31:20,638
what are all your tools to accomplish

10174
07:31:20,638 --> 07:31:23,280
it? How low are you going to take your

10175
07:31:23,280 --> 07:31:24,878
reserve?

10176
07:31:24,878 --> 07:31:29,840
And what is needed on top of this? what do I what I need this coming year

10177
07:31:29,840 --> 07:31:32,638
to grow but address the necessities.

10178
07:31:32,638 --> 07:31:33,760
>> So, could you finish what you were

10179
07:31:33,760 --> 07:31:36,878
saying, Chris?

10180
07:31:36,878 --> 07:31:39,120
>> Well, I just

10181
07:31:39,120 --> 07:31:41,920
I know at one point this year there was

10182
07:31:41,920 --> 07:31:45,040
a discussion about 800,000 from EDC to

10183
07:31:45,040 --> 07:31:47,600
fund new park equipment.

10184
07:31:47,600 --> 07:31:49,840
And now we have 500,000 from the park

10185
07:31:49,840 --> 07:31:51,600
board and they're asking for another

10186
07:31:51,600 --> 07:31:53,520
300.

10187
07:31:53,520 --> 07:31:55,280
But none of that is EDC money. It's all

10188
07:31:55,280 --> 07:31:58,240
general fund money. Wait, do we have it

10189
07:31:58,240 --> 07:31:58,558
double?

10190
07:31:58,558 --> 07:31:59,600
>> I'm just trying to What?

10191
07:31:59,600 --> 07:32:01,200
>> Do we have to double budget? Is that

10192
07:32:01,200 --> 07:32:01,840
what you're saying?

10193
07:32:01,840 --> 07:32:04,718
>> No, I said EDC offered 300.

10194
07:32:04,718 --> 07:32:07,120
>> He said EDC has offered 800,000 for the

10195
07:32:07,120 --> 07:32:08,718
new park and then the parks board is now

10196
07:32:08,718 --> 07:32:12,320
saying we want to we want it 500 u but

10197
07:32:12,320 --> 07:32:14,160
now we want an extra 300. And so he's

10198
07:32:14,160 --> 07:32:15,360
saying but that's coming out of the

10199
07:32:15,360 --> 07:32:16,798
general fund. And he's like we might as

10200
07:32:16,798 --> 07:32:18,718
well just let the EDC pay for it and

10201
07:32:18,718 --> 07:32:20,160
then not come out of our general fund.

10202
07:32:20,160 --> 07:32:21,600
>> We just can't make the assumption that

10203
07:32:21,600 --> 07:32:23,440
the EDC is going to fund.

10204
07:32:23,440 --> 07:32:25,120
>> I understand. I just I'm just still

10205
07:32:25,120 --> 07:32:26,638
grieving a little bit that whole process

10206
07:32:26,638 --> 07:32:28,638
blew up because we would not even have

10207
07:32:28,638 --> 07:32:29,280
to be talking.

10208
07:32:29,280 --> 07:32:30,478
>> We only have ourselves to blame for

10209
07:32:30,478 --> 07:32:32,478
that. I mean I that's just but that it

10210
07:32:32,478 --> 07:32:36,798
is what it is. Let's look forward and I just if you want to lower it I'm okay

10211
07:32:36,798 --> 07:32:38,638
lowering it a little bit. I think um

10212
07:32:38,638 --> 07:32:40,080
they just want a little bit of in case

10213
07:32:40,080 --> 07:32:42,320
the EDC decides that they that's not a

10214
07:32:42,320 --> 07:32:44,160
project they want to move forward with.

10215
07:32:44,160 --> 07:32:45,520
They're going to be funding it

10216
07:32:45,520 --> 07:32:46,558
themselves. They want to make sure they

10217
07:32:46,558 --> 07:32:47,920
have enough money if it goes over the

10218
07:32:47,920 --> 07:32:49,600
500,000. I think they really are trying

10219
07:32:49,600 --> 07:32:52,160
to keep it at that that price point from

10220
07:32:52,160 --> 07:32:54,478
what I heard listened on the meeting.

10221
07:32:54,478 --> 07:32:56,798
Um, but I don't if you want to change it

10222
07:32:56,798 --> 07:32:58,958
to 200 just so there's a little bit.

10223
07:32:58,958 --> 07:33:01,120
>> I missed the last park board meeting so

10224
07:33:01,120 --> 07:33:01,520
I

10225
07:33:01,520 --> 07:33:02,878
>> I just watched it. I wasn't like

10226
07:33:02,878 --> 07:33:05,440
>> I don't want to speak to if they I know

10227
07:33:05,440 --> 07:33:06,958
they were looking at the 500. I know

10228
07:33:06,958 --> 07:33:08,478
there's no guarantee and then they got

10229
07:33:08,478 --> 07:33:11,600
to suggest.

10230
07:33:11,600 --> 07:33:14,798
Do we think the HCEDC and do we think if

10231
07:33:14,798 --> 07:33:21,040
we asked them to either way cover that would be an issue?

10232
07:33:21,040 --> 07:33:23,200
>> I I don't know. I just I just like

10233
07:33:23,200 --> 07:33:25,120
having it in the general funding case if

10234
07:33:25,120 --> 07:33:27,760
that's what we want to use that money on

10235
07:33:27,760 --> 07:33:29,520
or that's what we want them using the

10236
07:33:29,520 --> 07:33:31,600
money on. It needs to have a needs to be

10237
07:33:31,600 --> 07:33:33,600
budgeted in case it's not picked up as a

10238
07:33:33,600 --> 07:33:36,958
project. You can't budget on a hope

10239
07:33:36,958 --> 07:33:39,760
>> and yeah, so we can take it down to

10240
07:33:39,760 --> 07:33:42,478
200,000 and and I am in favor of taking

10241
07:33:42,478 --> 07:33:44,638
off the House of Park pushing it out one

10242
07:33:44,638 --> 07:33:45,600
more year.

10243
07:33:45,600 --> 07:33:46,000
>> Okay.

10244
07:33:46,000 --> 07:33:47,680
>> But if that like I said, we need to talk

10245
07:33:47,680 --> 07:33:48,718
about those those two things.

10246
07:33:48,718 --> 07:33:49,200
>> Both of those.

10247
07:33:49,200 --> 07:33:50,798
>> When is the park board meeting?

10248
07:33:50,798 --> 07:33:52,240
>> It's Wednesday.

10249
07:33:52,240 --> 07:33:53,200
>> This coming Wednesday.

10250
07:33:53,200 --> 07:33:54,478
>> Yes, ma'am.

10251
07:33:54,478 --> 07:33:55,680
>> Oh,

10252
07:33:55,680 --> 07:33:56,000
>> yeah.

10253
07:33:56,000 --> 07:33:57,680
>> That's what you're thinking. We would

10254
07:33:57,680 --> 07:33:58,558
know what they're going to do.

10255
07:33:58,558 --> 07:34:00,320
>> We would know before the 17th.

10256
07:34:00,320 --> 07:34:00,798
>> We would.

10257
07:34:00,798 --> 07:34:02,798
>> And could we get with HC? Could Joe get

10258
07:34:02,798 --> 07:34:06,478
with HCDC and see? I mean, I would

10259
07:34:06,478 --> 07:34:07,200
>> they meet on

10260
07:34:07,200 --> 07:34:08,878
>> You would have to meet with their full

10261
07:34:08,878 --> 07:34:09,840
board.

10262
07:34:09,840 --> 07:34:11,120
>> Oh, is it all?

10263
07:34:11,120 --> 07:34:13,680
>> I keep thinking more further.

10264
07:34:13,680 --> 07:34:15,200
>> But we would know if if they're if they

10265
07:34:15,200 --> 07:34:17,040
approve a $500,000 playground or

10266
07:34:17,040 --> 07:34:19,440
$800,000 playground to recommend. We

10267
07:34:19,440 --> 07:34:21,120
would know that after Wednesday. That's

10268
07:34:21,120 --> 07:34:22,000
a good point.

10269
07:34:22,000 --> 07:34:23,760
>> But all all the playgrounds that they

10270
07:34:23,760 --> 07:34:26,240
brought forward a few weeks ago, the

10271
07:34:26,240 --> 07:34:28,320
parks board did, the three that they

10272
07:34:28,320 --> 07:34:29,920
narrowed it down to are all around

10273
07:34:29,920 --> 07:34:32,638
500,000. So they've not the parks

10274
07:34:32,638 --> 07:34:35,440
they're looking at are not 800. They're

10275
07:34:35,440 --> 07:34:38,878
all 500. They went from a big nice park

10276
07:34:38,878 --> 07:34:40,878
playground towers down to something

10277
07:34:40,878 --> 07:34:42,798
really small. So it's like they they

10278
07:34:42,798 --> 07:34:44,240
shrunk they shrunk it down a lot.

10279
07:34:44,240 --> 07:34:47,680
>> Let me make a suggestion please. Is take

10280
07:34:47,680 --> 07:34:52,150
the 300,000 out.

10281
07:34:52,160 --> 07:34:56,638
If park board wants some additional

10282
07:34:56,638 --> 07:35:00,718
money for a project then they can come

10283
07:35:00,718 --> 07:35:03,920
to the city c the council needs to ask

10284
07:35:03,920 --> 07:35:10,160
the EDC not a park board is park or EDC

10285
07:35:10,160 --> 07:35:12,398
will you take this as a project fund

10286
07:35:12,398 --> 07:35:14,878
this additional 300,000 for whatever

10287
07:35:14,878 --> 07:35:17,840
that project is and they all go yes or

10288
07:35:17,840 --> 07:35:18,320
no

10289
07:35:18,320 --> 07:35:20,398
>> well so I think a middle ground sorry

10290
07:35:20,398 --> 07:35:22,638
mayor may I speak

10291
07:35:22,638 --> 07:35:25,680
Okay, wonderful. The So, if they do pick

10292
07:35:25,680 --> 07:35:27,440
a half a million dollar park, I think

10293
07:35:27,440 --> 07:35:29,280
with contingency and stuff, maybe they'd

10294
07:35:29,280 --> 07:35:31,600
need about$100,000 because I have a

10295
07:35:31,600 --> 07:35:33,280
feeling it might be slightly over. But

10296
07:35:33,280 --> 07:35:35,200
if they go with, here's the thing,

10297
07:35:35,200 --> 07:35:36,878
they're bringing their recommendations

10298
07:35:36,878 --> 07:35:39,920
to us. HCEDC has already given us a

10299
07:35:39,920 --> 07:35:41,440
recommendation. So, say the parks board

10300
07:35:41,440 --> 07:35:42,878
goes for the half million dollar one and

10301
07:35:42,878 --> 07:35:44,718
HCEDC says, "Hey, we'll pay for this

10302
07:35:44,718 --> 07:35:46,718
$800,000 one." Council still gets to

10303
07:35:46,718 --> 07:35:48,478
decide. We can go with the big one and

10304
07:35:48,478 --> 07:35:50,638
HCDC funds it or we can go with the

10305
07:35:50,638 --> 07:35:52,638
smaller one that the parks board decides

10306
07:35:52,638 --> 07:35:54,080
and have a little bit of money put to

10307
07:35:54,080 --> 07:35:56,000
the side for them. We don't need the

10308
07:35:56,000 --> 07:35:57,760
>> That's true. Or we just use the $500,000

10309
07:35:57,760 --> 07:35:59,360
that the EDC's already said they were

10310
07:35:59,360 --> 07:36:00,240
going to spend.

10311
07:36:00,240 --> 07:36:02,398
>> Aren't we funding the 500,000 from the

10312
07:36:02,398 --> 07:36:04,000
parks no matter what? Because the parks

10313
07:36:04,000 --> 07:36:05,760
didn't have $500,000 in their budget.

10314
07:36:05,760 --> 07:36:07,920
>> It's HC. I thought was

10315
07:36:07,920 --> 07:36:08,398
>> do what?

10316
07:36:08,398 --> 07:36:09,760
>> It's already here.

10317
07:36:09,760 --> 07:36:11,200
>> Okay. Well, I'm saying we're funding it,

10318
07:36:11,200 --> 07:36:12,478
not the par. It's not coming out of the

10319
07:36:12,478 --> 07:36:14,320
It's not fun out of fund 15. It's coming

10320
07:36:14,320 --> 07:36:15,680
out of our So

10321
07:36:15,680 --> 07:36:17,200
>> we're fun. So, if the parks board says

10322
07:36:17,200 --> 07:36:21,200
we want a $500 $500,000 park, the

10323
07:36:21,200 --> 07:36:22,798
general fund's funding that, not the

10324
07:36:22,798 --> 07:36:24,398
parks board. I just want to clarify

10325
07:36:24,398 --> 07:36:24,718
that.

10326
07:36:24,718 --> 07:36:27,120
>> Butc is reimbursing. Didn't they say

10327
07:36:27,120 --> 07:36:29,680
they're covering that park?

10328
07:36:29,680 --> 07:36:30,160
>> Well,

10329
07:36:30,160 --> 07:36:33,120
>> no, the 5 the 500,000 is covered by them

10330
07:36:33,120 --> 07:36:34,080
no matter what.

10331
07:36:34,080 --> 07:36:36,000
>> The 500,000 was already passed from a

10332
07:36:36,000 --> 07:36:37,840
resolution a couple months ago. The

10333
07:36:37,840 --> 07:36:40,000
additional 300 is what they're asking

10334
07:36:40,000 --> 07:36:40,240
for.

10335
07:36:40,240 --> 07:36:42,478
>> The 500,000 is paid by the HCDC no

10336
07:36:42,478 --> 07:36:45,120
matter what. That was approved. It's the

10337
07:36:45,120 --> 07:36:46,160
additional.

10338
07:36:46,160 --> 07:36:48,160
>> What if we dropped it to 150? What if we

10339
07:36:48,160 --> 07:36:49,120
just cut it in half?

10340
07:36:49,120 --> 07:36:50,478
>> It's not if they want to pay for the

10341
07:36:50,478 --> 07:36:52,718
park. HCEDC already agreed to pay that

10342
07:36:52,718 --> 07:36:55,120
half a million. That is a done deal. The

10343
07:36:55,120 --> 07:36:57,440
question is the rest.

10344
07:36:57,440 --> 07:36:59,520
HCEDC, even if we go with the park's

10345
07:36:59,520 --> 07:37:00,878
recommendation for the half a million

10346
07:37:00,878 --> 07:37:02,638
dollars, HCEDC will have to pay that

10347
07:37:02,638 --> 07:37:03,600
half million.

10348
07:37:03,600 --> 07:37:06,638
>> Or what about this? We have they already

10349
07:37:06,638 --> 07:37:08,958
had the 500,000. We have a contingency

10350
07:37:08,958 --> 07:37:12,558
fund. We also have EDC as an option. I

10351
07:37:12,558 --> 07:37:15,600
think we could take off the 300,000

10352
07:37:15,600 --> 07:37:17,760
and just like you said have them bring

10353
07:37:17,760 --> 07:37:21,600
the but the the proposal and see what

10354
07:37:21,600 --> 07:37:23,520
the proposal comes out to and then we

10355
07:37:23,520 --> 07:37:25,600
can make a decision like if we need to

10356
07:37:25,600 --> 07:37:27,520
ask EDC to cover a little bit or if we

10357
07:37:27,520 --> 07:37:29,200
need to maybe pull a little bit about

10358
07:37:29,200 --> 07:37:31,040
out of contingency or something part was

10359
07:37:31,040 --> 07:37:33,120
for that exercise pad if they don't get

10360
07:37:33,120 --> 07:37:34,478
the grant they wanted to have the monies

10361
07:37:34,478 --> 07:37:35,840
available for that as well.

10362
07:37:35,840 --> 07:37:37,520
>> Yeah. You know, I don't know. I don't

10363
07:37:37,520 --> 07:37:38,240
know the cost of that.

10364
07:37:38,240 --> 07:37:40,320
>> But maybe they do that next year because

10365
07:37:40,320 --> 07:37:41,680
that that they don't have to do it at

10366
07:37:41,680 --> 07:37:42,958
the same time. Right.

10367
07:37:42,958 --> 07:37:45,040
>> Right. So, they asked for like one thing

10368
07:37:45,040 --> 07:37:45,520
and

10369
07:37:45,520 --> 07:37:47,200
>> and we save for the one thing.

10370
07:37:47,200 --> 07:37:48,958
>> Well, we we're still giving them 500,000

10371
07:37:48,958 --> 07:37:49,760
though.

10372
07:37:49,760 --> 07:37:53,040
>> That was last year.

10373
07:37:53,040 --> 07:37:54,558
>> They didn't give us at all an estimate

10374
07:37:54,558 --> 07:37:55,280
on the cost.

10375
07:37:55,280 --> 07:37:59,120
>> What is the 300,000 ask? What is it for?

10376
07:37:59,120 --> 07:38:01,600
The parks board meeting was for in case

10377
07:38:01,600 --> 07:38:05,280
the the parks playground bids came in a

10378
07:38:05,280 --> 07:38:06,878
little bit over their bud over budget of

10379
07:38:06,878 --> 07:38:11,200
500 and for a exercise

10380
07:38:11,200 --> 07:38:12,240
pad.

10381
07:38:12,240 --> 07:38:14,718
>> Oh, I I introduced them to that.

10382
07:38:14,718 --> 07:38:16,478
>> Well, good. It was uh

10383
07:38:16,478 --> 07:38:17,840
>> and there's a grant that I think Miss

10384
07:38:17,840 --> 07:38:20,240
Nimbu said she was applying for um but

10385
07:38:20,240 --> 07:38:22,240
she just wasn't sure. So, how much So,

10386
07:38:22,240 --> 07:38:24,000
what is the cost on that? What is the

10387
07:38:24,000 --> 07:38:24,958
cost?

10388
07:38:24,958 --> 07:38:25,280
>> What?

10389
07:38:25,280 --> 07:38:26,558
>> You said you introduced it so he'll know

10390
07:38:26,558 --> 07:38:28,558
the cost. Well, I I just introduced the

10391
07:38:28,558 --> 07:38:30,240
I don't know the cost. They didn't get

10392
07:38:30,240 --> 07:38:33,760
into it, but it's a lowlevel

10393
07:38:33,760 --> 07:38:37,040
grant persist. They call it a grant. Uh

10394
07:38:37,040 --> 07:38:41,680
it's a private concern through uh

10395
07:38:41,680 --> 07:38:44,558
um Baylor Scott and White and or Blue

10396
07:38:44,558 --> 07:38:47,120
Shield. I think Blue Shield, they offer

10397
07:38:47,120 --> 07:38:49,440
that as well.

10398
07:38:49,440 --> 07:38:56,150
um for a

10399
07:38:56,160 --> 07:38:59,440
say uh $250,000

10400
07:38:59,440 --> 07:39:00,478
exercise.

10401
07:39:00,478 --> 07:39:02,000
>> $250,000. Okay, that's

10402
07:39:02,000 --> 07:39:04,080
>> I I'm No, I don't know that. I'm just

10403
07:39:04,080 --> 07:39:06,638
saying for example, no, I do not know

10404
07:39:06,638 --> 07:39:08,398
how much they cost

10405
07:39:08,398 --> 07:39:10,878
>> that they they would only this grant is

10406
07:39:10,878 --> 07:39:13,520
only good for about 25,000. Okay,

10407
07:39:13,520 --> 07:39:15,600
>> it's a very low ratio. And a quick

10408
07:39:15,600 --> 07:39:18,638
search shows that like um a park Olympic

10409
07:39:18,638 --> 07:39:21,360
spirit fitness course about 27,000. This

10410
07:39:21,360 --> 07:39:22,638
is not including install. So the

10411
07:39:22,638 --> 07:39:24,478
equipment's about 25,000. I think if we

10412
07:39:24,478 --> 07:39:27,280
put a h 100,000 and just wait to see. I

10413
07:39:27,280 --> 07:39:28,080
mean I think

10414
07:39:28,080 --> 07:39:28,958
>> I'm good with that.

10415
07:39:28,958 --> 07:39:29,520
>> 100,000.

10416
07:39:29,520 --> 07:39:31,360
>> Dropping that to 100,000. Everybody okay

10417
07:39:31,360 --> 07:39:31,760
with that?

10418
07:39:31,760 --> 07:39:32,000
>> Sure.

10419
07:39:32,000 --> 07:39:34,878
>> And then what about the house lit park?

10420
07:39:34,878 --> 07:39:35,520
>> 180,000.

10421
07:39:35,520 --> 07:39:36,240
>> That's your call. It's your

10422
07:39:36,240 --> 07:39:36,638
neighborhood.

10423
07:39:36,638 --> 07:39:37,680
>> Yeah. I feel like that's

10424
07:39:37,680 --> 07:39:39,360
>> I I feel like it can be pushed out one

10425
07:39:39,360 --> 07:39:39,920
year.

10426
07:39:39,920 --> 07:39:40,240
>> Okay.

10427
07:39:40,240 --> 07:39:43,270
>> Zach.

10428
07:39:43,280 --> 07:39:44,558
» No. What do we what

10429
07:39:44,558 --> 07:39:47,200
>> that that's the 180 for engineering and

10430
07:39:47,200 --> 07:39:48,240
design. Correct.

10431
07:39:48,240 --> 07:39:48,958
>> Correct.

10432
07:39:48,958 --> 07:39:49,520
>> Now you

10433
07:39:49,520 --> 07:39:52,958
>> So you but you did up your repair.

10434
07:39:52,958 --> 07:39:54,798
>> Yes. They already they already increased

10435
07:39:54,798 --> 07:39:55,360
otherwise

10436
07:39:55,360 --> 07:39:56,320
>> taken care of.

10437
07:39:56,320 --> 07:39:58,798
>> So is the 180 is that for the repairs or

10438
07:39:58,798 --> 07:40:00,160
what's the 180 for?

10439
07:40:00,160 --> 07:40:02,398
>> 180 was engineering design for the

10440
07:40:02,398 --> 07:40:03,760
>> I think we can push that because we're

10441
07:40:03,760 --> 07:40:05,760
pushing that back. We're pushing the

10442
07:40:05,760 --> 07:40:08,798
we're pushing that.

10443
07:40:08,798 --> 07:40:10,000
>> Look at us [laughter] agreeing. Go

10444
07:40:10,000 --> 07:40:11,520
ahead, Zach. I'm excited that we're

10445
07:40:11,520 --> 07:40:13,920
agreeing. Go ahead. Well, Doug would be

10446
07:40:13,920 --> 07:40:16,160
giving us the the the bad look over

10447
07:40:16,160 --> 07:40:18,718
there. But I mean, I think if we want to

10448
07:40:18,718 --> 07:40:20,160
push if we're pushing the other stuff

10449
07:40:20,160 --> 07:40:22,160
like talked back earlier, then we can

10450
07:40:22,160 --> 07:40:24,320
start doing engineering next year or

10451
07:40:24,320 --> 07:40:26,478
something like that. But, um, I was

10452
07:40:26,478 --> 07:40:29,680
thinking this 180 was about the the

10453
07:40:29,680 --> 07:40:31,280
band-aids that we want to keep doing to

10454
07:40:31,280 --> 07:40:33,200
our to our street. That's fun.

10455
07:40:33,200 --> 07:40:34,240
>> Okay. I don't want to cut the band-aids

10456
07:40:34,240 --> 07:40:36,000
off.

10457
07:40:36,000 --> 07:40:38,320
>> And um, the cost is between$100 and

10458
07:40:38,320 --> 07:40:41,440
$200,000. I just um inquired from the

10459
07:40:41,440 --> 07:40:43,120
parks board chair. So that's how much

10460
07:40:43,120 --> 07:40:44,798
those exercise path

10461
07:40:44,798 --> 07:40:46,240
>> 100 to 200,000.

10462
07:40:46,240 --> 07:40:47,760
>> So does that mean that Mike Anderson's

10463
07:40:47,760 --> 07:40:48,798
not going to work on our neighborhood

10464
07:40:48,798 --> 07:40:51,200
anymore? like they're done doing

10465
07:40:51,200 --> 07:40:54,320
surveying and all this stuff.