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Did a little bit of research before.

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» These are just this is just the agenda.
too specific.

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» You know, the agenda it talks about
the difference between like the current

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adopted zoning plan and the master land
use plan. I know the land use plan just

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kind of speaks to industrial

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current
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right on the border industrial
and the difference between one airport

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permitted us
storage distribution type users whereas

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industrials

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» this conference will now be recorded.

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» So, we'll uh call to order the um city
of HST Planning and Zoning Commission,

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Tuesday, August 21st at 6:30
p.m. Um that's item one. Item two, uh, I

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think we've all been doing that.
Recognition of retirement for our

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planning and economic development
coordinator, Maurice Schwanki. And let's

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give him a hand. [applause]

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I would say I've I've been on planning
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years. and and I and Greg's been here,
Greg and Dorian been here forever, but

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Maurice has done an excellent job for
our city in helping us um

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understand planning and zoning better.
uh develop a better comprehensive idea

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of what planning and zoning is and u and
trying to make our city more um

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diversified and I guess uh I don't know
user friendly or something like that.

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But anyhow, you know, bringing in
businesses that are that we need,

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keeping out some that we don't need and
things like that. So, you've done a

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great job and we appreciate it and thank
you for your service and we're you want

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to introduce Ben?
>> Yeah, I can do that.

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» Yeah. Why don't you do that now?

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» And he is the uh my replacement and he's
been with the Bureau of Veraritoss uh

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for for over a year now. And u he's been
in the planning business for a number of

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years himself, you know, prior to coming
to work with our company. He's a very

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knowledgeable young man and I think he's
going to do you a great job.

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» Very good. Well, we're looking forward
to working with you, Ben.

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» Thank you. And uh do you want to say
anything at all or

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» u I look forward to working with you
guys. I've been shadowed

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the last few meetings city council and
looking forward to working with you guys

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and seeing what we can do here.
>> Very good. Thank you very much. We'll

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look forward to that. So, okay. Um item
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comments. um this is an opportunity for
you to address and it appears to me that

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we're going to have a couple two or
three people that want to talk. So if

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you've signed a card over there um we
can start that uh right now.

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And I and I would ask you our PNZ
doesn't have a threeinut rule or

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anything like that, but please keep your
comments concise

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uh and to the point and um you know if
you need a couple more if you need more

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than three minutes I think we've said
too much. So anyhow that's my opinion.

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So please uh whoever's first.
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Laura Slaughteroff 1195 Wildson away.
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» Um I was hoping that you could clarify
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what the allowed land uses in plan
development districts are. I see that it

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was part of the packet and it talks
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referencing a base zoning district. So
if you could give example of that says

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if the PD concept plan specifically
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any land use permitted by right in the
applicable underlying base zoning

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district as amended may be permitted and
it goes on. if you'd give an example of

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what the base zoning would be. And then
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be allowed to be zoned in PD
development. Thank you.

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» Well, I think Joe, do you want to take
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» Yeah, let me take a stab at it. You
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and you have a base zoning district, the
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there was some use or not use, but some
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front setback, side setback, then the
base zoning district would cook in and

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you would use those those uh items. But
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the uses have to be spelled out in
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inclusive of the base zoning district.
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usually they're not.

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[clears throat] Does that satisfy you,
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Okay,
very good. Anybody else want to speak?

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» Brandon Preston.

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» Hello, Brandon Preston. Address is 1608
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wanted to come up. I know you've got a
data center workshop tonight. Um wanted

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to offer myself up again as a resource
as we have larger discussions. I have

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worked on uh design, build and operation
of data centers again on three different

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continents. Uh I have worked with large
manufacturers that make cooling systems

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for these guys. So uh want to be clear
on a few things. One, I'm not here to

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advocate for data centers near uh
neighborhoods like the Westlake Keller

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issue. I think that's a bad situation
for everybody involved. I'm not here to

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advocate against or for a data center
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good conversation so that we do not so
to say throw the baby out with the

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bathwater because there aren't very good
partners in the space to work with.

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Biggest question for us as a community
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there's solutions for water. There are
solutions for sound and uh I sent some

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videos over to Joe that show what the
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Irving is. Basically, the ambient sound
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the data center, right? So there's
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for water. We just make educated
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developers like Hillwood uh on those
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big question is power. Can our grid
handle it? That comes down to a case by

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case basis with a data center firm. Are
they willing to invest in us? Right?

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Powerhouse is the company coming in in
Westlake. And I'll tell you, I've got

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some disagreements with what they're
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investing. I think it was 1 to2 billion
within the power grid, right? So,

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they're actually making investments back
into the community. So, all I'm

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advocating for is good conversation
around something that is the I'm not

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going to say the highest, I'll put it
this way. It is one of the highest

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revenue per acre generating things that
we could have in this city from a

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taxbased purpose. And what do we have
right now? We have a deficit in our

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budget. And eventually that's going to
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getting a firm in that's actually uh
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costs. Right? So I'm here to advocate
for that good conversation, working with

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the right partners, partnering with
Encore, Hillwood, and the right data

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center that if it does become an
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it's away from all of the communities,
you won't hear it, you won't see it,

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right? that we at least think about it,
talk through it, and have people

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involved, and I will be a free resource
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pull others in that I can. So, just here
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» Thank you, Brandon.

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» Next, we have Christine Gross.

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Good evening, members of the commission.
Thank you for your time. My name is

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Christine Gross. I live at 1328 Wild
Sunnaway in HLlett. I'm here to address

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8A on the data center ordinance. I'm
very concerned that the critical first

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steps of investigating the impact of the
data centers in HLlet has not been

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implemented. Without this, it can't be
determined whether data centers should

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even be allowed in HLET. First and
foremost, the city should impede a

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moratorum or all data center approvals
or developments until the city contracts

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with an independent study using the
standardization request for proposed

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valuation matrix that score suppliers
objectively. Regarding the current data

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center ordinance draft, it does not
address critical factors that protect

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our residents, our land, and our
infrastructure. Additional issues to be

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addressed should include but not be
limited to, one, noise pollution. Data

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centennas operate massive industrial
chillers and exhaust fans 24/7. This

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creates a continuous low frequency hum
known to disturb sleep and lower

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residential property values. Ordinance
must mandate a strict acoustic limit at

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any residential property line backed by
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Two, residential buffer zones. The draft
ignores physical proximity to our

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neighborhoods. We need strict zoning
exclusions. There should be specific

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setback distances from any residential
district, school or park accompanied by

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high density mature evergreen
landscaping to shield those industrial

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blocks. Three, resource and grid
protection. Draft mentions high-capacity

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power feeds and cooling strategies, but
fail to protect the city. These

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facilities consume millions of gallons
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We must mandate closed loop water
cooling systems that recycle 100% of the

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water require an independent Urkott grid
stability study before approval to

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ensure residents do not face brownouts
or soaring electrical rates. Four, air

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emissions and safety backup generator
standards, restricting the use of highly

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polluting diesel generators, capping
testing hours, or mandating cleaner tier

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4 engines equipped with selective
catalytic reduction systems. Five

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battery storage hazards requiring
dedicated self protocols, thermal

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management plans, and non-liththium ion
alternatives large-scale battery r rooms

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to minimize explosive fire risks. I urge
the commission to table this proposal

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and recommend an in-depth objective
study of the impact of data centers in

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Hazlet. The promised tax revenue is
enticing, but let's ensure that it's not

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at the cost of Hlet resources and its
citizens safely and safety and quality

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of life is protected. Um, I'm not
against data centers. I just want to be

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thoroughly investigated with all
parameters and to protect the city and

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the residents.
>> Thank you for your time.

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» Thank you very much. I think we are all
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» Next,
>> Mr. Wallock. Um, if I may, and not just

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just sort of a general statement on um
when that item does come up, there is no

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proposal tonight to attempt to adopt
anything uh tonight. So actually

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everything that's that's being said
tonight is really the first we look at

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as the first steps of that conversation.
So we we greatly appreciate it and yes

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there is no u there is no request from
staff to uh this isn't uh listed as

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anything that could be provided for
recommendation yet. It's just to have a

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workshop and and get these issues out.
So uh wanted to thank everybody that's

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[clears throat] spoken already and
anybody that will speak on it. But that

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is the the goal tonight is to to get
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» and and let me say something. If if
there's misconception, the workshop item

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on there will not be open for public
discussion tonight. There will

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[clears throat] be no public. So if you
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Um workshop is right here. So we'll be
talking if there's anything we need to

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talk amongst ourselves or we might even
put it off because we don't have a full

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slate of officers here and whatever we
want to call this board commission. So

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just to make that clear, no discussion
during workshop. So next

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» I'm Kitty Warts.
>> Kitty. Okay.

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» Thank you, Commission Kitty Warts, 205
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I want to make it clear, I'm not 100%
against data centers. I just think it's

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very important that um the zoning is the
key to determine where the facilities

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can reside and I agree with a few
people's already said that uh it needs

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to be it needs to reside in the airport
district area far away from residential

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houses um anywhere from I've seen some
ordinance 300 ft some as far away as

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1,000 ft from any residential location.
Um, it makes sense that we capitalize on

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this industry and that we help our city
uh improve our infrastructure and we uh

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capitalize on the taxes that come in
from one of these facilities. Um, but it

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needs to [clears throat] um be done
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um we should um um make sure it's
following um the conservation of the

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electricity, the water and the noise
pollution that uh it will emit. Um we

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also need to make sure that whoever um
we consider that they are financially

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sound. Last thing in the world we need
is someone to come in and and bankrupt

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and leave us with an arbitrage around
our neck. We also need to make sure when

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we write the ordinance up we include um
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aspect of when that industry does pull
out. Don't know how long this industry

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is going to be a boom. I've I've heard
that this could be a boom and a bust

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because technology is evolving so fast
that maybe these uh businesses are are

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out of date in 5 to 10 years. We just
don't know that. So, we have to think

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ahead and make sure that we're
protecting oursel as a city. Thank you,

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» Kitty

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All right. My name is Jasmine Weise,
1469 Primmer's Place. I currently serve

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on the HLO City Council. The comments
I'm making tonight to reflect my own

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views and not the position of the city
council as a whole. Thank you for taking

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the time to begin looking into data
centers tonight. I think it's important

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that we take the time to really
understand this issue before deciding

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what is or is not appropriate for HLET.
Right now, data centers require an SUP

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or specific use permit, and we currently
have no applications before the city. An

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SUP is not an automatic approval or a
use that is simply permitted by right.

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It is one of the more rigorous and
discretionary zoning approval processes

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we have in HLlet. It requires public
hearings before both PNZ and city

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council with PNZ making a recommendation
and city council having the final

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authority to approve approve the
conditions, deny or send the application

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back. The city can also impose
additional development standards and

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safeguards through the SUP based on
specific project and its location. So we

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already have a significant level of
control over any proposal that might

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come forward. This gives us an
opportunity to be proactive rather than

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reactive. I know a moratorum has been
discussed and brought forward by

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concerned residents and I'm not opposed
to consider one if we reach a point

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where it is necessary. But with no data
center application currently before the

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city, I don't think we need to rush to
that step. We already require an SUP

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which gives us significant control over
the proposal that comes forward. I would

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rather use this opportunity to
understand the industry, identify the

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concerns we need to address and deter
and and determine what additional

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standards Haslett should have in place.
I would encourage PNZ to look beyond

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simply whether we should allow them and
instead dig into where they could

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potentially be appropriate, what
protections we would need, and what

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standards should be in place before an
application ever comes before us. That

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means looking closely at things like
noise, setbacks, proximity to

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residential areas, screening, building
design, water and power demands, backup

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generators, environmental impacts,
infrastructure, and the potential

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economic benefits and opportunities
these projects could bring to the city.

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I would also strongly encourage you to
speak with people who actually work in

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the industry as well as other cities
that have already dealt with these

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projects. We should understand both the
benefits and the challenges from people

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who have firsthand experience. I don't
think our goal should be to find a way

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to say yes to data centers. And I don't
think it should be to find a way to say

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no. Our goal should be to understand
them well enough that if one is ever

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proposed in HLlett, we already know what
we are willing to accept, where we are

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willing to accept it, and what
protections our residents should expect.

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I appreciate you taking the time on and
doing that work now before we have an

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application sitting in front of us. I
also wanted to comment on 7A and 7B and

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say that I I don't see any issues with
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um or not approving um
I don't see any issues with the request

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from Hillwood. Um no one really travels
up that way unless you're industrial. So

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I just like us to really consider their
request.

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» So is that is that from councel or from
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» From me. Everything I said is from me.
>> Okay. [laughter] I'm just kidding,

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Jasmine.
>> Okay. Sorry. Thank you.

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» Thank you. All right.
>> Okay. And then we have

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» nice to know though.
>> A one email a Dorene Snediger.

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» Well, let's do Dorine's during the
workshop.

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» Should we do that?
>> It's up to you. Yeah.

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» Yeah, we could because we can talk. I
can read her thing to us

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» since she's on. You mean because she's a
board member? Um, yes. Yes, you could.

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» She can't make the meeting tonight, but
we can we can read her.

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» Yes. If you if you want that would still
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» I mean it's essentially the same thing.
She's not against data centers. It just

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» Yes, sir.
>> And I just thought we don't need to get

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her any others.
>> Is that it?

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» Okay. All right. Well, then we will move
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So [clears throat] 4 A um all city
offices will be closed Monday, September

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7th in observance of Labor Day. Item 4B,
National Night Out, will be held

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Tuesday, October 6th, 6:00 to 8:00 p.m.
at the community park. And uh

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information is available on the city's
web page for that. And we would

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encourage participation. Um,
good time. Get out. Get meet neighbors

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that are maybe not in your neighborhood,
but in other neighborhoods around the

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city. We're getting to be a big small
city. I guess we could call it that.

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Item 4 C. Movie in the park featuring
Goat that is will take place Friday,

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October 9th at Nance Field. The movie
will begin at dark and again there's

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information on the web page. Our
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consent agenda meeting minutes dated
July 28th. Do we have any comments or

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recommendation or motion?
You guys got a share?

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» Yeah. I make a motion that we accept the
uh minutes as written.

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» I second it.
>> All right. All in favor? Right. All

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oppose? Nobody. So
fine. We'll get on to item seven. Item

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7A is conduct a public hearing. Pardon
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» What? 6A residential status.
We skip 6A.

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» Where have I? Oh, I'm sorry. 6A. Yeah, I
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I got crosseyed. So, our residential
project status report is available in

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the packet. So, any comments, any
questions, anything we want to talk

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about? Okay. Thanks, Chuck. Okay. Seven.
The 7A conduct a public hearing for

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zoning on approximately a 16 12 acre of
Caleb P Orient Survey abstract number

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1195 in the MEP
and and P RR company survey abstract

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1135 Taran County properties west of
Interotal Parkway and south of Railroad

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Drive with an address of 1051 Railhead
Drive. staff presentation

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» and chairman and members of of the
board. This is a zoning request for from

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AF airport facilities to industrial
zoning and the purpose of this zoning

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request is to allow more flexibility in
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AF. There are a few more uses in the
industrial zoning classification that

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you can do. The whole area on the master
land use plan is shown as industrial

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except there are just two zoning
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support of this zoning request.
>> So, who's bringing that request?

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» The Hillwood.
>> Hillwood. And are they the owners of the

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property?
>> They are the owners of the property and

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they are in the audience tonight.
>> Yeah, I knew that. So, but

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any comments? You want to say anything?
>> Blessed Tom Davies.

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» Yeah, you can talk.

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» Oh, wait a wait a minute. So, maybe I
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just a second. Yeah.
>> So, let me open a public hearing at 6:52

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uh on item 78. There. Now, you can talk.
>> Okay. My name is Tom Davies. Uh I'm a

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development manager representing
Hillwood as everyone has said. Um I'm

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speaking on behalf of item 7A and 7B.
There are two uh properties uh directly

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across from each other at the northwest
and southeast corners of Interotal

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Parkway and Tradewind Drive. Um so yeah,
as Morris summarized, and congrats on

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your retirement, uh
uh these two properties are currently

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zoned for airport facilities. We're
requesting that they be reszoned for

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industrial um there is indust industrial
zoning immediately adjacent and as

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Morris said um it is part of the 2024
adopted master land use plan that there

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industrial area again as as Morris
summarized uh it just right now all that

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we're planning to do is build two
industrial shell buildings on the site

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just speculative industrial shells um
the reasonzoning would allow us uh

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greater marketing flexibility to attract
a wider range of customers to be tenants

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in those buildings. Airport facilities
currently is a little bit more limited

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in the permitted use. It would it would
allow us to have a traditional uh

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distribution and warehouse facility, but
u that's that's more or less kind of it.

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So, um that's the request and if you
guys have any questions, uh feel free to

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ask. I think Ben and Brad with Westwood,
our civil consultant are here and they

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might be speaking as well, but they can
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» All right. Thank you.
>> All right. Will anybody else want to

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talk about um item 7A public hearing?
So, we'll close the uh public hearing at

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7:54. So,
>> 654.

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» 654.
I'm sorry. Um all right so we got

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discussion here

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» chairman on on the map that you see on
on the screen is our our master land use

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plan and all the purple area that you
see is industrial on the master land use

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plan and these two tracks
are up in this area right here. One's

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right here and then the other one is
just caddy corner right up here.

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Then as far as um
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the blue is the AF district and we have
one tracks right here and the other

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track is right here and we have
industrial is this orangey color. So we

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have a lot of industrial in the area but
it is in the AF district.

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Are there any other parcels
any other parcels up there that are

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vacant like this [snorts] that might be
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» There could be some.
>> Could be some up there. Okay. They're

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all north of Westport Parkway.
>> That is correct.

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» Yeah. Okay. That in any
>> Yeah. Westport Parkway lies like right

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here.
>> Okay. All right.

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Any
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» what what is the biggest difference
between AF and industrial? It seems

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almost identical.
>> They are almost identical. You know,

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setbacks, etc. are all the same. It's
just the the uses. When you go to the

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use chart, there's a few more uses that
are identified in the industrial than

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they are in the AF. But for
>> Was there a reason we did this? I wasn't

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here, you know, when it was done. Is
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» I wasn't I wasn't here either. So, we're
we're both in the dark on that. Uh but

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uh
>> but it's not a height issue. It's not

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anything else.
>> No.

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» Okay.
>> No. The height of these shoes are are

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controlled by these arcs that you can
see here on the zoning map.

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Identify the arcs. And there's actually
some definitions up here in the lefth

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hand corner which actually specify the
heights that you can have.

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» All right.

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» It's just weird because it's like, you
know, I don't understand. I I just

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understand the difference.
Yeah, exactly.

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» Paul, Greg is online with his hand
raised.

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» Greg is online.

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Thank you very much.

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Well, okay. So, his question is, "Are
trucking terminals one of the permitted

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differences?"

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I'm going to pull up the use charts and
you can just go through. There's a lot

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of different differences.

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Yeah. Um Morris can bring it up, but uh
I believe that's one use. Specifically,

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truck and freight transportation
services are allowed in both uh airport

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facilities and industrial. Um so yeah
airport facilities more geared towards

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transportation related uses and
warehouse and storage whereas industrial

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also includes that but other uses as
well

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» only by text I guess but he said thank
you no other questions.

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All right.

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» Okay. I'd make a motion that we
recommend to the city council approval

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of the uh change in zoning from uh
airport facility to uh industrial for

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the 16.5 acres of the Caleb Por orbit
survey abstract number 11 195 in the

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MEPN
RR company uh survey abstract 135 Tarant

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County.

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We
>> have a [clears throat] second. I second

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it.
>> All in favor? Okay. Motion passed.

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Item 7 A. 7B
conduct a public hearing for zoning.

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Apparently, this is from airport
facilities to industrial and

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approximately 10.2 acres.
In the HC Johnson survey, abstract

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number 870, Taran County, Texas,
property east of Interotal Parkway and

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south of Tradewind Drive. address of 179
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I think you've already talked to it, but
>> yes,

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» chairman, members of the board, this is
not on the same property, but your caddy

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corner to the southeast of it,
>> and it's basically the same thing. It's

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for expanded uses that you can do. And
if I can get the monitor back, I can put

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up those that use chart. And so you can
just see what the some of the

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differences are. [clears throat]
>> Okay.

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» And over here in our use chart, you have
the AF right here. Then you have

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industrial. And the P means permitted
use. And as you go down the industrial,

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there's like I say, there's some P's on
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industrial, giving more flexibility on
the uses that can

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» distribution and warehouse, right? And
that's what you were talking about, Tom,

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right?
>> Correct. And yeah, if you go down to the

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transportation related uses, I think
what the gentleman online was asking

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about,
>> right?

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See,
>> right there it is. Both of them have P's

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on them. They're both as permitted uses.
>> All right. So,

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we'll open a public hearing on that at
uh let me get the right time. 7:03.

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You want to speak to that directly? I
mean, you talk to both, but you want to

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get on record here or you
>> If I need to, I can.

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» Why not? Come here. talk about 7B. Tell
us about that one. [snorts]

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» So, uh 7B specifically, that's the
roughly 10acre track that's at the

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southeast corner of inner model and
Tradewind, but like Morris said, it's

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essentially the same thing. We don't
have specific uses identified for either

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of these buildings. Uh the site plan
that we currently have, which is in for

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review and appro approval, is a roughly
150,000 ft² speculative shell industrial

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building. But this resoning effort would
grant us the ability to market that uh

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building to more potential customers and
and companies [clears throat] to come to

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Hasllett.
>> Very good. Okay. Anybody else wish to

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speak for or against item 7B?

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Then we'll close the public hearing at
704.

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So, do we want anything to talk here?
>> Nothing really. Okay. I get a motion.

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» All right. I make a motion that we
recommend to the city council approval

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of the change in zoning from airport
facility to industrial for the 10.2

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acres in the HC Johnson survey abstract
870 Tarant County, Texas.

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» Have a second.
>> I second it.

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» All in favor? All right. Motion passes.
>> 7B. Thank you very much.

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» Okay. Item 7 C is um discuss consider an
act regarding the approval and amendment

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to the HLlet zoning ordinance amending
the exterior site lighting section 5.1

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of chapter 14 exhibit A staff
presentation.

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Yeah, chairman and members of the board,
this is a topic that has been discussed

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over the last couple meetings and and we
have brought back u the corrections and

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we've put this in front of our city
attorney and had him take a look at it

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and there he's made several comments and
if I could have the screen back again

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this email.
>> He just wanted to make sure that that

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the board knew that through section
5.10.3D1 10.3.D1

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and the next a few items that these
things will all apply to the city's

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ordinances
facilities as well as far as lighting.

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And um then he also wanted him let
everybody know that uh

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that um when this goes to the city
council, there needs to be a parallel

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resolution that the city council needs
to approve first and then this which

420
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:57,760
would basically state that the city
wants to go to a dark sky type uh

421
00:37:55,040 --> 00:38:02,480
situation which is required to do that
under state law. And so I just I'm just

422
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:07,680
bringing that to your attention that if
you approve this, then there will be

423
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:10,079
those items that will need to also go
with this that going to the city

424
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:15,359
council.
>> Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, good.

425
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:19,599
» Basically, you're doing the dark sky
ordinance and but anyway, that was his

426
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:24,320
two points. I just want to make sure
that we need knew that we needed to do

427
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:31,599
that parallel resolution
and also these items that are above that

428
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:37,359
uh are things that'll apply to the
city's facilities as well.

429
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,320
» The parallel resolution would be done at
council.

430
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:44,640
» Yes.
>> Yeah, that's council. Okay.

431
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:51,040
» And and that u Mr. Wallik, if I could um
just kind of build on what Morris has

432
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:55,040
said. Um the the state, this is kind of
one of those things where

433
00:38:53,359 --> 00:39:00,640
they've
they've limited

434
00:38:57,359 --> 00:39:07,200
how we can regulate it unless we go
through this um dark skies city

435
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:12,640
initiative type of thing. So that's why
it it's kind of in a um it's not all or

436
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:18,240
nothing, but it is that's why it's it's
not just here's one thing or or another

437
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:21,520
thing. It has to there there's a lot of
things that kind of have to be

438
00:39:19,839 --> 00:39:28,720
incorporated in it because of the way
that the state has um uh going forward

439
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:32,960
permitted cities to regulate uh outdoor
lighting. So that's why a little bit it

440
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:39,280
probably is a little bit different than
than what had been expected but that's

441
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:43,000
why is because of uh matching state law.
>> Okay. Very good.

442
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:50,079
» Okay. [clears throat] We'll uh I know we
have someone wants to speak to it. So

443
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:56,240
we'll open [clears throat] a public
hearing at 709

444
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:59,280
or you want to want to speak tell us
found a couple of issues. She has a

445
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:04,960
couple of things she wanted to point out
to us. Ordinance.

446
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:09,520
» Hi [clears throat] count uh
commissioners. My name is Teresa Moore

447
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:16,079
with Clear Channel Outdoor. My address
is 3616 Watonga Street, Fort Worth,

448
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:22,560
Texas. Um we came before the council two
years ago and um were u supporting an

449
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:29,599
ordinance that allowed us to take down
three billboards that are were along I35

450
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:35,119
and convert or and rebuild two one
digital and one printed. So, we did that

451
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:39,440
about a year and a half ago and um
they've been operating as the ordinance

452
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:43,760
allows, but under this proposed
ordinance, we would not be able to

453
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:50,000
operate the digital. Um it the ordinance
here uh has a measurement of ambient or

454
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:54,640
let me back up a little bit. When we
were uh discussing this project with

455
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:59,520
council and the ordinance that they were
um considering, we did come with some

456
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:05,520
information about how we operate. And
our digital billboards are um have

457
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:10,960
louvers that direct the lighting to the
freeway. So, it protects the light from

458
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:18,800
spilling on surrounding properties. The
um the brightness also is measured um

459
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:24,720
based on the ambient conditions. So, as
the sun goes down, the ambient light

460
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:30,720
goes darker and so our power goes down.
And we operate at all times, whether

461
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:34,240
it's daylight or night, um at.3 foot
candles above ambient light. And that is

462
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:37,839
a standard that's set by the state.
That's also in the ordinance that was

463
00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:43,839
adopted here in Hasslid. So, we've been
operating um with that brightness um

464
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:48,560
since we built the structure. And um
this ordinance would not allow us to do

465
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:53,680
that because the measurement or the the
um limits that are laid out here are

466
00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:59,920
much lower and they would not allow us
to have any contrast at all after the

467
00:41:56,319 --> 00:42:03,440
sun went down. So, um, we are just
asking maybe for a little more time to

468
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:09,119
present you guys with some information
about how our billboards work, how

469
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:14,079
lighting is measured, um, how we control
any spillage into the night sky or to

470
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:18,640
neighboring properties. But even our
printed billboard under this proposed

471
00:42:15,839 --> 00:42:26,640
ordinance would not be conforming. we
would have to take off the fixtures that

472
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:31,280
are um facing the um printed's face and
put them on top, which we don't do

473
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:37,839
anymore because technology allows us to
direct the um light directly on the face

474
00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:42,720
and and in the old days we had four four
fixtures and the light was just like a

475
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:46,960
regular bill a regular light bulb and so
we didn't couldn't control the spillage.

476
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:50,560
But now we've reduced that to two
fixtures. They're very they're directed

477
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:56,000
right on the face. The spillage is
minimal. And just as a comparison, if

478
00:42:53,280 --> 00:43:00,720
you're on the freeway, the lights that
light the freeway at night are brighter

479
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:05,760
than our billboard. So, the other um
piece of the ordinance being considered,

480
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:11,680
it limits the message duration to 30
seconds. We operate um our messages are

481
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:18,000
visible. They're a static image. They're
visible for 8 seconds. Then um the state

482
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:21,920
requires that the change in message not
have any scrolling or flashing or

483
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:26,800
blinking and that it happens immediately
on the whole face at one time and it's

484
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:32,240
accomplished within one second. The
ordinance being proposed requires that

485
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:38,400
that flip happen with uh in a quarter of
a second, which is I mean we could

486
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:43,040
probably change things, but at our
standard way that we operate everywhere

487
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:48,720
across the country except for Las Vegas
is um 8 seconds static and then it

488
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:53,280
changes within 1 second to the next
message and then there are eight spots

489
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:57,920
and the rotation starts again. So the
the way this is written is just in

490
00:43:55,119 --> 00:44:03,359
conflict with the ordinance that we um
discussed and was that was approved two

491
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:06,400
years ago as far as we operate. So we
we're just asking for a little more time

492
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:10,560
to discuss some of these things and how
it impacts us because we would not be

493
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:13,560
able to operate that that billboard at
night.

494
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:20,079
» Um
>> Mr. Chair, um well would you like me to

495
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,960
speak now or after the public hearing?
Oh,

496
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:25,359
» you talk.
>> Okay. So, just one thing from a staff

497
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:30,240
perspective because Miss Moore, correct?
Yes. Miss Moore did reach out today. Um,

498
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:33,760
I don't think that this was anybody's I
know it wasn't staff's goal. I don't

499
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:38,400
think it was anybody's goal. I don't
think anybody we've had even one

500
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:46,560
complaint about their um their product.
So, um from a staff perspective um if if

501
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:49,599
the commission wanted to table this so
that we can look at it a little bit

502
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:54,800
closer. Like I said, this was the goal
was to get uh to get this in front of

503
00:44:52,160 --> 00:45:01,040
y'all and then the attorney had some
input that was based on the state. So,

504
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:06,720
um basically in short, um we would be
more than uh happy to uh table this and

505
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:09,680
be able to speak with Miss Moore about
ways that uh maybe address

506
00:45:08,456 --> 00:45:12,240
[clears throat] her concerns just to
make sure. I I don't think

507
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,280
» Chairman Cat, can you hear me?
>> Oh, I can. Yes, sir.

508
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:18,240
» Can you hear me?
>> I can. Yes, sir.

509
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:21,280
I I don't think the idea is to table
this. I think we can figure out a way to

510
00:45:19,839 --> 00:45:25,040
resolve this this evening.
>> Okay. Yes, that was just I understand.

511
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:32,079
Yes, sir.
>> Well, I'm I Greg, you're on if you can

512
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:35,760
hear us. I mean, we talked about the um
dimming the lights, you know, everything

513
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:39,920
coming down after dark and all that
stuff. But I think we were we were

514
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:44,319
talking more about like restaurants,
places like that, neighborhood.

515
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:47,520
» Yeah. And that's addressed severally. So
yeah,

516
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:49,520
» so so uh so I did look into Miss Moore's
communication to the city today.

517
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:57,040
» Yeah.
>> And text dot standards are it it this

518
00:45:54,240 --> 00:46:02,800
the message has to be displayed for at
least 8 seconds and the transition has

519
00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:05,200
to happen within 2 seconds. That's the
text standard.

520
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:10,880
» Yeah.
>> There are cities that have lengths of d

521
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:16,319
you know display duration longer than 8
seconds like Dallas. Dallas is 20

522
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:21,200
seconds. You can't change the message
any less than 20 seconds.

523
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:24,160
» That That's not true.
>> This particular item I'm not as

524
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:28,480
concerned about.
>> Great. Just second. Miss Moore, did you

525
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:33,280
want to comment on that?
>> The standard in Dallas is 8 seconds.

526
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:36,319
Also, we operate under the same
>> all over the

527
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:40,880
» That's interesting. I just looked it up
today and it said 20 seconds.

528
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:46,800
That may be for premise or
>> irregardless of that I I I am not that

529
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:53,599
concerned about this as long as we
adjust the verbiage here to say this is

530
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:59,880
electronic displays slash billboards
something to make sure it's applicable

531
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,880
to along highway frontages

532
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:06,640
» which is that's what I was thinking I
mean because we didn't even talk about

533
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:10,960
billboards last one of the things I
would like to point Now that the

534
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:15,440
agreement that they're working under,
they are going to be legally

535
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:19,520
non-conforming if they're if they don't
abide by the ordinance. So, we're not

536
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:23,440
going to ask them to change anything.
>> They can you could continue just like

537
00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:27,920
you are. The second point, there's
nothing in this ordinance about uh signs

538
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:32,960
and changing.
>> Um

539
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:39,520
we there was a a section about change
displays. It's in 510.8

540
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:42,400
talks about electronic message display
boards.

541
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:49,359
» Yeah. 8D4. Look at that.
>> And the definition of that is includes

542
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:54,560
offsite bill or offsite
>> what section again?

543
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:58,680
» 8 D4.
8D4. I think

544
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:09,760
» 5.1.8 Yeah.
>> Yeah. But paragraph 4, if it was revised

545
00:48:06,319 --> 00:48:14,079
to read according to text standards of 8
seconds and 2 seconds,

546
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:17,599
» I think that would be perfectly
appropriate.

547
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:21,280
» Sure. Because it says 30 seconds, I
think, in there.

548
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:24,920
» Currently, ours says 30 seconds and 0.25
seconds.

549
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,920
» So,

550
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,319
» if we're if we're grandfathered, it
wouldn't wouldn't affect us. But that

551
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,880
the language
>> You're not grandfathered. You're

552
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:36,480
operating under a different ordinance
that was passed on your behalf.

553
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:39,480
» Yeah. But somebody else may come up
with.

554
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:50,559
» So can we make that modification
to this ordinance then instead of

555
00:48:48,538 --> 00:48:54,800
[clears throat] apparently it's I don't
have it in front of me but I think it

556
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:58,960
reads 30 seconds.
>> It does. Paragraph 4 says or F says 30

557
00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:04,319
seconds and
>> it says 30 seconds.25.

558
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:11,119
Change that to 8 seconds. Right. Okay.
>> That's

559
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:16,880
that's 5 10.8 D4. All right. Then the
other the other

560
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:18,720
» is 5.10.3
H2.

561
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,720
I
>> think

562
00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:30,160
5.3
5.10.3H2 10.3 H2

563
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:35,920
I think is the where it said after a
certain time it had to go dark.

564
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:42,880
» That is for that is for commercial
properties if they have a display.

565
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:46,559
» Yep. So that's that's if they close
they have to turn their sign off within

566
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:50,880
a certain time period of closing the
business.

567
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:55,280
» Yeah. But we're talking her if this
impacts the billboard up there.

568
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:59,440
It should
>> somehow we should

569
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:06,240
» if if we're just saying that impact but
I don't I I got to read it. Does it say

570
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:09,240
» Can I get the screen again please?
>> 510.3

571
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:17,280
H2.3
>> in the final draft of this thing if you

572
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:21,839
can look up at this at the screen
everything about sign elimination has

573
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,119
been taken out stricken by our city
attorney.

574
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:27,040
» Yeah.
>> Has not included. So, in the final

575
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:31,240
draft, it's not in there at all. About
the 30 seconds, 8 seconds,

576
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,960
» it's gone.
>> That was That was highlighted yellow in

577
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,319
the package we got. Is that what that
was?

578
00:50:37,359 --> 00:50:40,960
» Yeah,
>> it was highlighted. Not Not

579
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:44,640
» should have been redlined.
>> It wasn't redlined. It was highlighted

580
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,400
yellow in the package we got. That was a
question I had. So, all of that came

581
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,319
out.
>> That's gone.

582
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:50,400
» That's all coming out.
>> Mhm.

583
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,920
» Yes.
>> So, how would this affect?

584
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:59,520
» Why? Yeah, it wouldn't it wouldn't have
>> it wouldn't even correct. Yes. So, it

585
00:50:57,359 --> 00:51:03,359
would not they wouldn't even be grandfa
grandfathered or legal non-conformance.

586
00:51:01,359 --> 00:51:07,760
They would just not be affected at all.
So, they would continue to be a legal

587
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:12,559
conforming use.
>> So, was that the published one from

588
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:16,559
Thursday? because we pulled it from the
>> um

589
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:21,680
things when we sent things to the
attorney. He just was able to give this

590
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:25,280
» and uh did that come
>> Why would he take that out?

591
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:30,720
» So maybe on a different
>> we Yeah, we'd be happy to review what

592
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:33,440
changes were made.
>> So in the packet it's all highlighted

593
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:38,400
yellow.
>> So why do we don't know why he redlined

594
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:41,119
all that?
Yeah, I'm

595
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:47,119
» sign illumination.
>> What he stated just the the note on

596
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:51,599
there stating that basically since
they're already as sign signage is

597
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:56,000
already regulated in article 4
>> of the city's code then that's

598
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,480
» basically I was going to ask about that.
He was just going to remove it

599
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:03,040
recommending removal.
>> Yeah. 4.04.47

600
00:52:01,110 --> 00:52:08,640
[clears throat] says that the message
duration is 5 minutes.

601
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:11,520
So for changing signs, it has to be a
five minute message.

602
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:16,831
» Well, that ain't going to work.
>> Yeah. And and we think that's we think

603
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:19,040
that's a problematic in itself and
[clears throat] that that'll be a

604
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:23,440
subsequent ordinance that we're going to
bring forward on the sign is is to

605
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:30,559
change it to more in tune with with the
state to 8 seconds

606
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:35,520
because right now five minutes you it'll
never change when people go by. Right.

607
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:38,800
» But you're you're not you're not abiding
by that ordinance anyway because you

608
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:44,079
have your own separate agreement.
>> The ordinance we operate under under

609
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:49,440
separate classification.
>> All right. So, but sign illumination

610
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:54,640
doesn't necessarily just pertain to
their billboard or a billboard be any

611
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:58,319
sign illumination.
Okay.

612
00:52:55,760 --> 00:53:01,599
» And it was we were just saying it was in
conflict with the ordinance we operate

613
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:04,640
under what was being proposed. But if
the changes were made after we saw the

614
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:08,079
the draft and
>> I I understand that. Yeah. I I don't

615
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:14,079
think anybody's going to make you change
your bill. [laughter]

616
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:20,000
» But u All right. So Mr. Page says strike
that because it's covered under article

617
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:22,559
4.04. Then we have to address that.
>> Yes.

618
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:27,119
» And decide when we talk about sign
illumination, are we talking about signs

619
00:53:25,359 --> 00:53:31,119
sitting out in front of a business or a
billboard 50t in the air?

620
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:33,599
both.
>> Yeah. So, you got to address them both.

621
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:36,960
You got to address them separately.
>> Yeah. Because right now, you know, when

622
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:39,839
you drive by QT,
>> if you notice the sign, this changing

623
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:44,240
about every 5 seconds.
>> Yeah.

624
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:48,400
» And so, uh,
instead of 8 minutes.

625
00:53:47,359 --> 00:53:53,440
» All right. But,
>> but it just needs to be addressed.

626
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:55,680
» We'll leave that up to Mr. Ben to come
up with something next time.

627
00:53:55,119 --> 00:53:59,760
» Yes.
>> Okay. All right.

628
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:06,240
Yeah. Yeah, we're going to we're going
to wait.

629
00:54:03,359 --> 00:54:10,319
Well, I don't know. Maybe we don't need
to wait on it.

630
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:13,040
All right, let's uh let's close the
public public hearing. Just a minute.

631
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:16,319
Where are we?
>> Thank you.

632
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:21,880
» All right. Thank you, Miss Mark. We'll
close the public hearing at 7:23.

633
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,960
Okay. Now,

634
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:37,760
That's like that's so
this since a lawyer's version is

635
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:42,920
different than what was published in the
newspaper. Do we have to wait or what's

636
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,920
the story?

637
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:50,280
» But it was it's different. What I got
was different than what?

638
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:58,400
» You do have the discretion. um if if
you're if it really just comes down if

639
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:04,079
if you're comfortable with it with the
understanding that uh it it it was a

640
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:09,359
different version. But yes, if you're
comfortable with it, you can legally uh

641
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:14,480
recommend that with the understanding
that you're recommending the version

642
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:22,559
that Morris uh
included that includes the uh portion

643
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:26,960
being struck out completely.
the sign that referenced the the sign

644
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:30,960
illumination.
>> Yes.

645
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:34,720
» Are you still
>> I am, but I can't hear you guys. You're

646
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:38,839
you're very muffled.
>> You have to turn my phone.

647
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:47,359
» Can you hear me now?
>> Perfectly.

648
00:55:44,319 --> 00:55:52,160
» All right. So,
did you hear that? that at the whole

649
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:59,040
bring that up again here. But that whole
section on um

650
00:55:55,119 --> 00:56:05,160
signs was struck out by Mr. Page
because we address signs in article

651
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,160
4.04.

652
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:13,520
» So is the is the version that was in our
packet what we're reviewing and

653
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:17,760
approving tonight?
>> No.

654
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:22,240
» No. in the packet. It wasn't struck out,
but it struck out what we're looking at

655
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:25,119
on the screen.
And we're saying,

656
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:29,839
» well, I have not been provided a copy of
that. So, how I I have no ability to

657
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:36,480
understand what you'd be reviewing or
approving since nobody felt necessary to

658
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:42,599
give me a new copy.
>> Bring that up again and we'll tell him

659
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:42,599
what it is. It's

660
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:52,920
was it this from electronic message
displays or was it?

661
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:52,920
» Yeah. Well, actually this

662
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:59,849
» open that up again.
[clears throat and cough]

663
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:23,920
Well, first of all, we determined that
Miss Moore's questions, their sign is

664
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:28,480
okay. It stays where it is and operates
like it is right now. It was approved

665
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:32,880
long time ago. All right. So, the
question here is this lighting

666
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:38,079
ordinance.
>> So, the what the the question is 5.10

667
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:46,559
10.8
and uh we're looking at sub paragraph D

668
00:57:43,359 --> 00:57:52,440
on and it's called uh
>> messaging sign

669
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:52,440
» right electronic message displays

670
00:57:53,440 --> 00:58:02,400
» and and that's what Jeremy Page struck
red line all the way through that

671
00:57:58,319 --> 00:58:05,839
» he struck out all of section 5.107 107,
which is just notification. There's a

672
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:09,640
notification statement.
>> Yeah.

673
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,640
» And then 5.1.8

674
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,760
» struck.
>> And he struck it all out.

675
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:18,319
» Yes.
>> And not that he disagrees with what's in

676
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:21,040
there. It's just a duplicate.
>> Yes. That's

677
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:27,040
» somewhere else in our ordinances.
>> Section 4.04

678
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:29,200
talks all about signs. It's not in this
packet.

679
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:32,240
» Not not in this. It's another
>> it's another section ordinance.

680
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:35,280
» Another section of the ordinance.
>> So if we

681
00:58:32,799 --> 00:58:37,760
» So that's in our side or so Mr. Spanky
is that would appear in our sign

682
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,599
ordinance. Is that correct?
>> That is that is correct.

683
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:42,000
» Right.
>> And that's another audit that we need to

684
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:47,520
address.
>> So if we go forward with this, we'll

685
00:58:43,359 --> 00:58:50,960
have two opposing codes.
>> I I don't think so because if this is

686
00:58:49,359 --> 00:58:54,799
struck out of what we're approving, then
the sign ordinance stands on its own.

687
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:58,480
» This doesn't address the signage
elements.

688
00:58:56,079 --> 00:59:01,920
» I don't think we have Yeah. We should
not have opposed code if that's the

689
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:10,720
case.
>> And and then we just address 4.04 later,

690
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:15,040
» but adopt this as [clears throat] as
>> without

691
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:20,559
» stricken by the the attorney removing
section 5 one

692
00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:23,599
» 5.10.7 and 5.10.8.
>> Yeah.

693
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:29,040
» Make that motion.
>> Yes.

694
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:29,040
» Yeah. That that makes sense to me.

695
00:59:29,839 --> 00:59:37,720
You agree with that, Drake?
>> Yeah, that makes sense to me. Thank you.

696
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:37,720
» All right. Very good. So,

697
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:46,960
» so the motion would be to recommend
approval of this ordinance

698
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:50,000
and then eliminate section 5
>> 10.7

699
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:53,200
» 10.7 and 5.10.8.
>> I'm sorry.

700
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:56,000
» All right. And then do we need to make a
as part of our motion, do we need to

701
00:59:54,559 --> 01:00:01,920
make that statement that we need the
city to make a par parallel u

702
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:04,960
designation of a dark sky?
>> I don't think so. I think the city

703
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:11,359
council is going to take care of that.
>> Yes. Take care of that. Right.

704
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:17,680
I'd like a recommendation that the city
council approve the exterior light of

705
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:23,440
the amendment to the Hazlet zoning
ordinance amending the exterior site

706
01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:28,880
lighting section 510
with the update that we're going to

707
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:32,280
remove section 5.10.7
and 5.10.8.

708
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:40,240
» I'll second.
>> Okay.

709
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:48,599
All in favor?
Motion passed. So, we uh make that

710
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:48,599
motion and send it on to city council.

711
01:00:49,359 --> 01:00:56,480
» Thank you, Greg.
>> Yeah. And I don't know if I'm able to uh

712
01:00:54,079 --> 01:01:00,000
cast a vote there.
>> I don't think so.

713
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:03,040
» Being remote. If so, I would vote I
would have voted yes.

714
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:07,119
» What was the question? I'm sorry.
>> Cast a vote remote.

715
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:12,960
» I don't believe so. So since he's not
Mr. Cadesh since he's you're not uh

716
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:19,599
visible on the screen I don't think we
can we would technically allow the vote.

717
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:24,720
» Oh well he he is now. So yeah well it
it's supposed I believe the it's the

718
01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:30,480
similar to the council where it has to
be vis visible with the camera. So um

719
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:33,760
the deliberation I don't think is an
issue but yes to actually cast a vote I

720
01:01:32,799 --> 01:01:38,172
believe we need to have
>> make sure that that's really him talking

721
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:42,480
» yes as that that and the state is so
[laughter] it for for those that were

722
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:47,200
around uh during the co years it
loosened up the state loosened the laws

723
01:01:44,319 --> 01:01:50,480
up for about 6 months or so around that
but other than that they generally

724
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:54,000
require
>> there there he is

725
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:57,520
» yes sir so I'm a yes
>> but we're not sure he's not an AI though

726
01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:00,960
» thank
Right. Okay. So,

727
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,720
» Greg votes.
>> Can he cast a vote now?

728
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:06,960
» Yes.
>> Yes.

729
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:13,440
» All right. All in favor raise your hand.
>> All right. So, we got Greg voted in

730
01:02:10,079 --> 01:02:15,280
favor of that. So, nobody opposed,
I guess.

731
01:02:14,319 --> 01:02:19,760
» Thank you.
>> Thank you, Greg. Okay. Very good. Let's

732
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:27,280
um
move on to um item 7D

733
01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:34,760
is discuss and consider an act regarding
the approval of the replat of block 1 R

734
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:34,760
block 11 city of Hston

735
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:43,200
chairman Wallick and and members of the
of the board. This is a plat where

736
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:48,559
they're taking two lots and combining it
into one. And it's right at first just

737
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:52,240
right just north of here right here,
>> excuse me, west of here

738
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:55,119
» where you have a a lot and then you have
these other two lots and they're

739
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:58,720
combining those two so they can build a
house on it which should be in

740
01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:06,920
conformance with the zoning ordinance.
>> Good. Okay.

741
01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:06,920
Any discussion? I got a motion.

742
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:18,920
I recommend approve to city council we
approve uh the uh replat of lot one R

743
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,920
block

744
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,960
» 11

745
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:31,440
city of Hassle. Thank you.
>> Right. Second.

746
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:40,240
» Okay. All in favor? Okay. Second, Mr.
Chuck. Motion passes. So good. That's

747
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:46,720
7D. All right. 7E is um
discuss, consider, and act or recommend

748
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:50,319
Westwood review our land use plan with
the purpose of identifying appropriate

749
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:56,920
uses
for our undeveloped land in both the ETJ

750
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:56,920
and city limits. Um

751
01:03:57,599 --> 01:04:04,960
that's just
we don't need that. So you guys

752
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:10,240
» So I this one I I was also a little
stumped on

753
01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:15,760
» I don't know
>> the city's city discussion involved.

754
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:22,079
» Hopefully I can spread some light on on
this but uh back a few months ago we had

755
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:26,000
a zoning case that was at the
intersection of Harmon Road and Westport

756
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:33,920
Parkway.
>> Right. and it's shown on our current

757
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:39,200
master land use plan as industrial
and there's industrial zoning all the

758
01:04:35,839 --> 01:04:43,119
way around it. That case was denied at
the city council. It was approved by

759
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:47,440
this board, but it was denied at at the
city council.

760
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:52,240
Subsequently, they said maybe we should
take another look at our master land use

761
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:56,880
plan.
>> Oh, that's city council.

762
01:04:53,920 --> 01:05:03,039
» Yes, at city council. And so they really
referred it back to the planning and

763
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:06,559
zoning commission to take that that look
>> for one parcel.

764
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:12,720
» I believe I believe we made a motion to
recommend to city council to contract

765
01:05:08,559 --> 01:05:16,400
with an agency to conduct this analysis
and there were a couple of

766
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:20,799
recommendations on firms to do that. I
looked at their capabilities.

767
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:24,000
uh a few others from the city looked at
those organizations capabilities and

768
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:31,200
this one was the one that we believed
was most qualified to move that

769
01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:37,760
initiative forward and so this is a u an
item on our agenda to recommend that we

770
01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:44,240
move forward with Westwood. And just to
uh further uh kind of build on what the

771
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:49,599
uh chair cadesh said um back at the
towards the end of June whenever we

772
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:55,200
initially brought the land use to PNZ to
look at uh that was as uh Mr. Cadesh

773
01:05:52,400 --> 01:06:00,960
stated that was whenever uh we as staff
were told that that y'all would like to

774
01:05:57,839 --> 01:06:07,200
see a uh kind of a third party brought
in. So, um the the goal here is just for

775
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:12,400
us to uh to make sure we're providing
PNZ and council with what what's been

776
01:06:09,119 --> 01:06:15,359
requested. So, um don't we want to make
sure uh council's been very clear

777
01:06:13,930 --> 01:06:20,799
[clears throat] particularly at the last
several months of meetings that uh they

778
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:27,119
want to make sure that boards are are
that are designated or or given uh the

779
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:32,240
assignment to review things are are
given them. So, uh, we wanted to make

780
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:36,400
sure when PNZ said that that, um, we did
bring that back specifically to PNZ as

781
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:42,079
opposed to just directly to council. So,
that is, uh, as as chair Cadesh, he's,

782
01:06:39,119 --> 01:06:47,599
uh, stated, he's, uh, looked at this,
Westwood as well as Morris had come up

783
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:51,680
with a couple of others. Um, then and
that that would be the the goal. Um,

784
01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:54,559
yes, sir.
>> I I

785
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:58,000
» Okay. I kind of remember that
discussion, but I don't

786
01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:04,880
» not like that. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think
we I I don't remember us.

787
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:09,039
I I don't I don't know. I mean, I know I
think you I remember you saying city

788
01:07:06,319 --> 01:07:14,799
council had talked about that, you know,
getting PNZ. I I just don't see any need

789
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:18,960
for it. I I don't see any I think that
we've done a pretty good job of laying

790
01:07:16,799 --> 01:07:22,240
it out right now. And if city council
didn't want to approve that one plant,

791
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:27,839
that's their deal.
>> Yeah. This was a so when we made the

792
01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:32,000
motion to to request city council
appoint or I contract with a firm to do

793
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:36,240
this
>> there were a number of objectives in

794
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:41,520
mind. One was to understand compatible
uses in some of our main uh undeveloped

795
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:46,960
areas with the development that has
occurred on the surrounding areas.

796
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:52,160
Making sure that we understand where our
tax revenue opportunities might lie with

797
01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:56,160
appropriate development. and then
understanding what's the appropriate

798
01:07:53,680 --> 01:08:02,079
uses for the ETJ.
We don't have a line of sight to that.

799
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:06,000
We need industry experts to uh to that
know more about what industries are

800
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:10,640
doing, what businesses are doing, what
their motivations are to help us

801
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:15,680
understand some of that. That's why this
part, this body, the planning and zoning

802
01:08:12,799 --> 01:08:21,920
commission requested city council and we
voted on it. We voted to have the city

803
01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:25,679
council appoint somebody. Okay.
Greg, I remember now. I think you're

804
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:27,520
right. Think I think we all at the time
a lot more details were missing, but I

805
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:31,520
think the time
>> you know what this is going to cost?

806
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:34,080
» Yeah. Do we have any idea what it's
going to cost?

807
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:38,000
» I mean, you have idea. I mean, Westwood
is a large engineering planning firm. I

808
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:42,480
mean, you know, this is
>> Yeah, we don't have any idea what it's

809
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:45,920
what it's going to cost at this point,
but it's just a recommendation of a firm

810
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:49,920
to do that.
>> Okay.

811
01:08:47,839 --> 01:08:53,520
» So, as part of recommendation, can we
Okay. No.

812
01:08:52,159 --> 01:08:57,040
» And and and the and the planning and
zoning commission has no money. So it

813
01:08:55,120 --> 01:09:00,159
needs to go to the council to
>> Sure.

814
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:02,880
» to actually establish that and also
approve a contract to that's

815
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:05,520
appropriate.
>> Right. So they're just looking for us to

816
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,960
make a recommendation back to the city
council to accept.

817
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:11,120
» Okay.
>> I don't want to do that.

818
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:14,159
» If somebody wants to make a motion.
>> All right. I'll make a motion that we

819
01:09:12,719 --> 01:09:18,159
recommend to the city council to have
Westwood review our land use plan with

820
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:23,040
the purpose of identifying appropriate
uses for our undeveloped land both in

821
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:27,839
ETJ and city limits with the purpose of
encouraging compatibility with

822
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:33,839
surrounding uses and revenues.
>> I'll second.

823
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:38,080
» All in favor? All opposed?
>> No, I'm

824
01:09:34,480 --> 01:09:41,520
» and I have my hand as in favor. So,
Greg's three in favor and I and I I

825
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:47,040
don't think it's necessary.
>> Okay.

826
01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:53,920
» I think it's a waste of waste of money.
>> No, I voted no.

827
01:09:49,679 --> 01:09:58,400
» I vote no. Tell them I voted no.
They're going to ask me about it later.

828
01:09:56,080 --> 01:10:07,080
Okay. Um
item eight, workshop on data data center

829
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:07,080
ordinance.

830
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:12,880
I'll let uh you want to start us out on
that one.

831
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:17,840
» Yeah,
it's been in the news a lot lately

832
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:24,320
lately about uh data centers and in our
ordinance there is no specific place for

833
01:10:20,719 --> 01:10:29,760
that. The only place where it's ever
been mentioned was on the Ironwood

834
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:36,480
property and it could be done there with
a specific use permit. Other than that,

835
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:42,080
no place in the city has been designated
for that. And what this does is just

836
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:47,760
sort of starts planning some ideas, the
possibility if one would come around,

837
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:52,560
where would we want to do it? And
instead of waiting till they come and

838
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:57,520
say, "Okay, we're going to
figure out where we want to put you."

839
01:10:54,800 --> 01:11:02,000
So, this would sort of identify a place
and and then maybe look at some

840
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:07,719
standards that uh we could use to
evaluate it. And if you could pull that

841
01:11:04,239 --> 01:11:07,719
ordinance up

842
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:17,199
and this is by no means an ordinance,
this is just showing and go down to the

843
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:21,480
table.
This is an in the zoning ordinance.

844
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:33,120
It's It's almost, you know, clear down
to the bottom of it. Go down a little

845
01:11:30,239 --> 01:11:39,040
bit further. Keep on going. Keep on
going. Keep on going.

846
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:42,199
It's down in the industrial area. Keep
on going.

847
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:57,440
Right. Hold on. Right there. And the use
category. If we just scroll up just a

848
01:11:54,400 --> 01:12:04,640
little bit.
Yeah, right there it's under utility and

849
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:09,760
utility related services. Now go down
and um data center. It'd be with what

850
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:14,640
we're saying it perhaps the best place
for that would be in the AF airport

851
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:20,080
facilities or industrial with a specific
use request. Now if you look at the far

852
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:28,199
end of the table over there, it refers
to 4.26 26J

853
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:28,199
and go down to the very bottom.

854
01:12:38,420 --> 01:12:40,440
[snorts]

855
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:58,000
Okay, stop. Right. Go back up.
And this is this is what the J refers

856
01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:02,080
to. And these are different things that
you could potentially look at. You could

857
01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:07,199
add to this list or subtract from this
list. There's nothing sitting concrete.

858
01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:11,840
I just threw these out as ideas that the
commission may want to look at when

859
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:16,719
they're uh taking a look at a specific
use permit for a for a data center. One

860
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:19,679
would be in the site selection and then
the next one would be power delivery

861
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:24,719
infrastructure. And there's different
kinds of power, you know, delivery

862
01:13:22,719 --> 01:13:31,960
surfaces. And then there's three cooling
strategies. There's water. There's go on

863
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:31,960
scroll scroll down a little bit.

864
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:38,159
» There's hot and cold,
direct liquid cooling, hybrid cooling,

865
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:42,000
modular cooling. There there's all
different kinds of cooling and that's

866
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:46,480
where they get the water usage or
non-water usage. And then there's

867
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:51,199
physical layouts of them. And then
there's energy efficiency, stability,

868
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:55,199
and and then safety risk. And those are
just some ideas of things that that PNZ

869
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:59,760
may want to look at when they're
evaluating a data data center. That

870
01:13:57,679 --> 01:14:02,960
doesn't mean you have to use any of
those things, but it's something I just

871
01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:10,520
threw out there just for for talking
points of of what you can do. You can

872
01:14:06,239 --> 01:14:10,520
look at things that like noise.

873
01:14:12,159 --> 01:14:17,600
Yeah, I think there there's another
element we need to look at also is you

874
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:21,360
know what's the viability that we even
have the acreage to support a large data

875
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:26,960
center because typically those are in
the 500 acre you know thousand acre

876
01:14:25,440 --> 01:14:32,480
minimum
uh footprints and then they go up from

877
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:36,159
there. Uh so do we have a even a
footprint in the city or the ETJ that

878
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:41,440
you know could support something like
that? nothing the work of being prepared

879
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:45,920
for uh something should something come
be wrong. You know, I don't know that

880
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:51,840
that's wasted work, but it what's the
likelihood given the available

881
01:14:48,239 --> 01:14:57,679
developable land in the city of Hasslj.
>> Well, it it could be very applicable

882
01:14:54,320 --> 01:15:02,480
because not all data centers are large.
They actually in the city of Rice, I

883
01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:07,840
believe they're looking at an 11,000
square foot mini data center. So, not

884
01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:12,159
all of them [clears throat] are 500,000
square feet or larger. So, some of them

885
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:17,600
are very very small.
>> Yeah. But those don't have the demands

886
01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:21,440
like one of these big five, you know,
5,000 acre footprints do. You know,

887
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:24,640
there it's a very different type of
impact

888
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:31,040
» compared to, you know, what something
like a Facebook has over on 170 and some

889
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:34,880
and I work extensively with data center
development across the country, so I'm

890
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:41,040
very familiar with it. But those smaller
ones are not the impact is nothing like

891
01:15:38,719 --> 01:15:44,719
these bigger ones. I'm not saying that
we shouldn't do the work to be prepared

892
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:47,840
should something come, but the impact is
very different.

893
01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:51,040
» So the question I was asking earlier
about about noise. So uh someone sent a

894
01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:55,040
video I thought that was pretty
interesting. They had a they actually

895
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:59,199
had an meter or a sound meter right
pretty impressive. Um what what do we

896
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:02,320
how do we write something like that in
there? Do we say there's a certain

897
01:16:00,719 --> 01:16:06,239
number they can go to? How do we write
that? Yeah, you could you could add

898
01:16:04,719 --> 01:16:10,239
anything like that you wanted to in
here, but like I say, this this tonight

899
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:13,239
is not for any vote. This is just a
discussion.

900
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:22,480
» Yeah, I think it's I think it's sensible
for us to have a road map for

901
01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:26,719
» the development,
but I think we need to understand that

902
01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:29,520
that development is could be very
scallable.

903
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:33,280
» Yeah.
>> But I I would not want to write it into

904
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:35,360
this
We can talk about that,

905
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:40,480
» right?
>> And I think that that we could have if

906
01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:45,199
if we were interested. I mean, we might
have had one of our own residents in

907
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:50,560
Hasslith that offered to
furnish us with some a little bit of

908
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:54,400
assistance, maybe develop uh some
criteria

909
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:57,600
for data centers, something that we
could look at

910
01:16:55,760 --> 01:17:02,080
» a little more in depth than I know what
you said. You just put stuff you pulled

911
01:16:59,679 --> 01:17:09,280
up and good information here, but a
little bit more in depth working toward

912
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:15,040
developing some sort of ordinance or
adding it to this ordinance here.

913
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:19,760
» Yeah. And I believe Governor Abbott's
requiring some

914
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:24,000
work be done to
define the roadmap for development in

915
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:27,360
the state of Texas as well. So we I
don't think we can get out in front of

916
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:33,440
what the state's doing. Well, the
state's put a 90-day moratorum on data

917
01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:37,760
centers right now. They've shut down.
>> So, and and by the time they get done

918
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:42,080
looking at that, they may put another 90
days so they could study the study

919
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,840
» and um
>> new ones, right?

920
01:17:43,199 --> 01:17:46,320
» Yeah.
>> There's still on new ones.

921
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:48,239
» There's still hundreds under
construction right now.

922
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:52,960
» Well, the one's under construction, but
we're talking about here. This would be

923
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:58,080
a new one. So, if we had somebody that
came

924
01:17:54,719 --> 01:18:03,040
to us and said, "We're looking at the
airport area

925
01:18:00,480 --> 01:18:08,320
or out there along in uh
>> Westport Parkway or Hasslet Parkway on

926
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:12,719
the north side.
>> Is that far enough away from

927
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:18,000
residential? Is it more, you know, an
industrial part of our city?" Um, you

928
01:18:16,159 --> 01:18:22,000
know, but we right now we have no
ordinance. have nothing at all. So, we

929
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:26,560
would have to tell them, "Thank you very
much. When we develop an ordinance,

930
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:32,159
we'll come back and talk to us."
>> So, you know, if we want to get some

931
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:35,199
input on that, I' I mean, I would I'd
rather get input on that than on the

932
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:39,199
land plan use myself.
>> Yeah. If somebody would walk in the door

933
01:18:36,719 --> 01:18:43,280
today say we want to do a data center on
it,

934
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:45,360
» our first response is it's not listed in
our use chart.

935
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:51,120
» We don't have it. Mhm.
>> And so then it falls on to the city

936
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:55,679
administrator to make a recommendation
to the planning and zoning commission

937
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:58,719
and then you go from there.
>> Yeah.

938
01:18:56,320 --> 01:19:02,560
» But we'd rather preempt that and say,
"Hey, let's settle this up front. Where

939
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:05,840
where do you want to see them? What kind
of standards you want to look at?"

940
01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:10,560
Instead of all of a sudden putting it
all on Mr. Ashton's back and say, "This

941
01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:14,880
is what's going to go on. This is what
we recommend." Well, let's let's hash it

942
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:20,880
out and and come up with a good solid
recommendation for the city council and

943
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:26,000
what benefits the city and them.
>> So, are there other and you have

944
01:19:23,679 --> 01:19:33,280
connections, Mr. Ash? I mean, is there
are there other cities of our size, our

945
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:37,120
situation here where we might could get
ideas from them or get a maybe they've

946
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:39,280
developed an ordinance
>> and we could and we could look at

947
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:43,120
theirs. I mean,
>> sure. And this was this was just a first

948
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:47,760
uh kind of a first run at it for for
Morris on his his last meeting. So

949
01:19:45,679 --> 01:19:50,159
» um but kind of to to what Morris said
there

950
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:54,080
» put this on in your last meeting.
>> No.

951
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:58,960
» Um it is a benefit and the reason Morris
kind of touched on it. So there is yes

952
01:19:55,840 --> 01:20:04,159
there is that that small portion that is
um allowed by that annexation agreement

953
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:09,040
over in the Ironwood area um only by
specific use permit. it's not allowed by

954
01:20:06,480 --> 01:20:13,760
right. Um
but as Morris said because it is not and

955
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:19,760
this actually act that's actually a good
thing to bring up for the the folks uh

956
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:24,000
that might prefer a moratorum. So we
already basically have kind of in effect

957
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:28,320
a moratorum in the sense that if
somebody comes in right now

958
01:20:26,159 --> 01:20:32,560
» it's it's well yes in addition to the
states because as Morris said it's not a

959
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:37,679
permitted use anywhere else other than
that small area um by the annexation

960
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:41,920
agreement. So what that would mean is
yes if somebody comes in and asks for

961
01:20:40,239 --> 01:20:45,520
for it right now it they give
immediately told they would get this has

962
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:51,679
not literally not come up I don't
believe even once so far um but they

963
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:56,320
would be told it's not a permitted use
so you can't do it and then the process

964
01:20:53,600 --> 01:21:00,719
that you would then add that you would
make petition or request to add a

965
01:20:58,239 --> 01:21:06,400
permitted use is like Morris said which
is you would be requesting the planning

966
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:10,400
and zoning and the council to add uh any
use that you're requesting in this case

967
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:15,360
data centers into an existing zoning
district or multiple ones. And so the

968
01:21:13,199 --> 01:21:19,120
problem with that if it did come up
starting you know tomorrow or whatever

969
01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:24,000
and we haven't already started down that
process just from whenever you look at

970
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:28,960
any city whenever they deal with that it
it winds up it it's a very reactive

971
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:33,199
thing instead of proactive and sometimes
with small cities we have to react to

972
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:38,080
things and we understand that but it
doesn't let you uh it doesn't let you

973
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:42,400
put the time into it it winds up being
very specific to what that request is

974
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:47,120
and so you potentially wind up
considering a broader text amendment to

975
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:50,800
the zoning ordinance and it's all bu
built around what this one request is

976
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:54,560
because you didn't have it we didn't
have it as a permitted use. So, um

977
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:59,120
that's a lot of words to say. Yes, I do
I do appreciate Morris bringing this up

978
01:21:56,400 --> 01:22:03,920
because um the goal would be to to get
out in front of it and I think as Chair

979
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:10,080
Cadesh uh described it, kind of give us
a roadmap and and something that um you

980
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:13,280
know we're we're just able to have
something that addresses it that's

981
01:22:11,440 --> 01:22:17,520
already put thought into it before
suddenly now we would feel like okay we

982
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:21,920
we have to figure this out quick because
we've got somebody that's that's pushing

983
01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:29,280
something specific. So, [clears throat]
>> so could we ask you or our engineering

984
01:22:25,199 --> 01:22:35,040
consultant, somebody to bring to us
some

985
01:22:32,239 --> 01:22:36,880
sample ordinances that we could read,
that we could look at?

986
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:41,027
» Sure. Yes, sir.
>> I mean, I'm I'm certainly not Okay. I'm

987
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:44,239
an engineer, but the last
[clears throat] thing I'd want to do is

988
01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:50,080
develop an ordinance on data centers. I
have no idea what I'm doing. Okay. I

989
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:54,560
don't know if you know if we're we're
not so I'd like to see something that's

990
01:22:52,639 --> 01:22:56,960
been developed by someone that knows
what they're talking about.

991
01:22:56,400 --> 01:23:01,679
» Sure.
>> You know, and um or put some effort into

992
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:05,679
it since since we haven't put any effort
into it.

993
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:09,040
» Yes. Yes, sir. We can certainly get some
samples.

994
01:23:06,159 --> 01:23:16,440
» I mean, some ideas. I mean, maybe you
know some people that

995
01:23:12,239 --> 01:23:16,440
» Is he still there? You still there?

996
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:23,840
I don't know if he's there. Um, but
still here somebody to write an

997
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:27,679
ordinance. Um, you know, I wouldn't have
anybody that could would would

998
01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:31,360
understand what to write an ordinance
around. Yeah.

999
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:33,360
» So, I'm just saying let's do a little
bit of looking out there. See what we

1000
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:37,760
can find.
>> Yes, sir. We can definitely get some of

1001
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:41,760
those and get those um even send those
out to the P&Z in advance to to sort of

1002
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:44,320
look over before the next time it's
discussed.

1003
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:48,080
» So, I want to jump in real quick. One of
the comments I heard over and over

1004
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:50,880
earlier on the public comment was about
let's put by the airport which I I don't

1005
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:55,360
disagree. That's probably a great place
to put it somewhere on that kind of more

1006
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:59,040
densely industrial area concern I have
is we want to make sure that there can

1007
01:23:57,440 --> 01:24:03,679
we we should put something about it
needs to be a closed loop or or low on

1008
01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:09,120
what's low vapor emitting. Okay. Because
right next to an airport they don't want

1009
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:11,920
to have you know gigantic clouds.
So I mean I know that sounds dumb but

1010
01:24:10,639 --> 01:24:15,600
we've had issues like that already that
I'm aware of. you know, not here, but in

1011
01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:19,880
other states. So, something to think
about.

1012
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:19,880
» Well, that's a good point. Sure.

1013
01:24:21,679 --> 01:24:28,239
» They would go to if you could scroll up
a little bit.

1014
01:24:25,679 --> 01:24:29,920
Right there, it says natural hazards.
Man-made hazards.

1015
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,480
» Yeah,
>> that's what that is. Natural hazards.

1016
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:36,159
Manmade hazards.
>> You really can't control it. Just it's

1017
01:24:33,679 --> 01:24:39,280
it's a My understanding is the closed
loop systems don't have the same issues

1018
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:42,000
as when they want to do the open loop,
which that waste lots of water. I think

1019
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:44,960
everybody's going toward the closed loop
anyway, but you know, just in case

1020
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:47,920
someone comes in for a smaller unit
says, "Oh, we'll just we'll just open

1021
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:51,600
the, you know, open making an open air
thing." I don't think that's a good

1022
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:56,400
idea. So,
>> I'm showing my bias. I'm sorry. I'm open

1023
01:24:53,679 --> 01:24:59,199
to anything, but yeah, I just I I agree
that I think we need to be ready for

1024
01:24:57,679 --> 01:25:03,600
these because the people are going to
come. I just did a quick look on my

1025
01:25:01,199 --> 01:25:09,120
phone and there's like five or six here
in North Fort Worth already under

1026
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:13,440
construction. a 52 acre right in said
Fort Worth Alliance.

1027
01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:19,040
Yeah. So, it's it they're they're coming
to the area. I think we need to be

1028
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:22,320
prepared and and uh I mean noise is only
one factor of you know having an air

1029
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:28,480
airport you're not going to have to
worry about noise. the airplanes taking

1030
01:25:24,719 --> 01:25:32,719
off are louder than the I I I think I I
do think that we need to consider a few

1031
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:38,159
more things than what are on this list
like recom you know I think that's a

1032
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:42,560
really a good way of think we need to
also in the plan consider the total life

1033
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:46,719
cycle
>> I mean decommissioning plan and

1034
01:25:44,239 --> 01:25:52,239
responsibility we don't want somebody to
you know leave us a bunch of hazmat and

1035
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:56,000
and walk away and the other thing is I
think we need to put a limitation on

1036
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:58,880
distance from residential.
>> Yeah.

1037
01:25:56,320 --> 01:26:04,159
» I mean, and I just did a quick look too
with the distance from Hazlet Parkway

1038
01:26:01,440 --> 01:26:10,080
and Westport Parkway is about 2 miles.
>> So, I if we put everything say a mile

1039
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:12,960
from residential be the top half of that
land between and then the airport area.

1040
01:26:12,719 --> 01:26:17,040
Yeah.
>> And that would keep I mean a mile

1041
01:26:14,480 --> 01:26:21,840
separation from housing. Most people
wouldn't even know they were there.

1042
01:26:19,679 --> 01:26:25,199
» Well, and and along Westport Parkway, we
got a buffer. It's called a bunch of

1043
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:27,520
It's called a bunch of
>> warehouses,

1044
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:29,920
» right? It was all that land in between
though that that we don't know what

1045
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:33,280
they're going to do with yet,
>> right? All that stuff on the north side.

1046
01:26:31,679 --> 01:26:38,080
» And if you listen to the news, there's
already 600 of them in in Texas.

1047
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:42,719
» Yeah, there's there's some big ones that
are under construction right now and and

1048
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:48,000
» like I said, they're we were just out in
Abalene last week and they're building

1049
01:26:44,480 --> 01:26:49,440
gigantic ones out in Abalene.
So,

1050
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:53,360
» I'm sure it has nothing to do with it,
but these are financially beneficial,

1051
01:26:51,679 --> 01:26:56,480
even the kind of smaller ones, right?
They I mean, it's going to help us. It's

1052
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:59,199
not going to hurt us, I wouldn't think.
>> That's my understanding. They're very

1053
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:04,560
lucrative for a city.
>> Yeah. I saw a story on Lowden County

1054
01:27:01,679 --> 01:27:09,840
that has 52 of them in Lowden County,
Virginia, and they bring in $1.3 billion

1055
01:27:08,239 --> 01:27:12,800
a year.
>> 45% of their revenue.

1056
01:27:11,440 --> 01:27:18,000
» They can't spend it all.
>> Yeah. And so, I mean, do we want 52 of

1057
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:22,480
them? I don't think so.
But yeah, two or three of them might be

1058
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:25,679
might be beneficial as long as they
don't create a stress on the system,

1059
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:29,840
» right?
>> And it I just don't want to see where we

1060
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:33,679
get in the situation where, you know,
everybody else's power bill is going to

1061
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:38,000
go up because we allow these people to
come in. Uh power is already an issue

1062
01:27:36,480 --> 01:27:42,480
with everything they're building up
north, uh along, you know, in the Rome

1063
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:47,199
area. I know they're already working
trying to get transmission lines out

1064
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:51,920
there. And so I imagine this whole north
side of Fort Worth is power is a is at a

1065
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:55,430
premium, you know, with all the
development we have. And so we just need

1066
01:27:53,440 --> 01:27:58,600
to make sure we we cover all these
[clears throat] bases.

1067
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:04,480
» Anything else on that?
>> No, I'm glad we're doing this.

1068
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:07,480
» Great. You got anything else you want to
say?

1069
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:16,560
» No, thank you, Paul.
>> All right. Very good. Okay. Um future

1070
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:21,280
agenda items
anything there or Ben or who wants to

1071
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:27,280
talk about it?
>> Well, there will be a few things. There

1072
01:28:23,679 --> 01:28:29,280
will be probably a uh sign ordinance.
>> Yeah.

1073
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:33,440
» To address some things.
>> It came out tonight. A sign ordinance

1074
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:37,040
» 4.04.
>> Yeah.

1075
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:41,360
» Okay. you going from eight minutes down
to something more reasonable

1076
01:28:39,440 --> 01:28:46,639
and
could be some illumination type things

1077
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:51,360
for the signs that like we heard tonight
just to make sure that nobody is going

1078
01:28:48,719 --> 01:28:53,280
to get hurt along the freeway
what is allowed now.

1079
01:28:52,880 --> 01:29:01,480
» Yeah.
>> So that would be one item that I think

1080
01:28:57,199 --> 01:29:01,480
Ben needs to start working on.

1081
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:09,840
» Very good. Uh there will be several
other things. Um they weren't quite

1082
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:15,120
ready, but those two sites that uh that
we looked at tonight were the zoning

1083
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:19,920
changes, there were really proceeding
fast with some site plans. And so you'll

1084
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:28,360
be seeing those in in the future too,
near future on those two tracks.

1085
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:28,360
» All right. Very [clears throat] good.

1086
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:32,840
» Tracks 41 and 42.

1087
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:41,840
those items um 7A and 7B I think. Yeah.
On the on the agenda.

1088
01:29:41,440 --> 01:29:47,280
» Okay.
>> And um sorry to Mr. Wallik. Um if there

1089
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:52,080
were no other agenda items uh future
agenda items, I did just want to take

1090
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:56,880
this opportunity again to uh thank
Morris. Um he's he's been a invaluable

1091
01:29:55,280 --> 01:30:01,840
resource
I got to the city. I I think he's he's

1092
01:29:59,199 --> 01:30:06,080
put in just a great deal of work on
behalf of the city of Hlet uh long

1093
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:10,800
before I got to the city, but I can
certainly attest for in the last 6

1094
01:30:08,239 --> 01:30:16,880
months or so that I've been here. So, uh
wanted to wish him the best uh uh uh

1095
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:20,960
blessings for him and his family going
forward and welldeserved well-deserved

1096
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:24,239
retirement. So, just thank you very
much.

1097
01:30:22,719 --> 01:30:28,239
» Thank you.
>> All right. You know what I forgot to do

1098
01:30:26,159 --> 01:30:34,480
was Darlene
sent in an email about data centers. So

1099
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:40,960
I'll let you guys read it. See what she
It's the same thing. Noise, electricity,

1100
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:45,920
water, stuff like that. So,
but we didn't we didn't bring it up. But

1101
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:50,000
anyhow, and to echo what you just said,
>> the same thing.

1102
01:30:47,199 --> 01:30:56,000
» Yeah. Since I've been on council, since
Morris came with us and Belchief, I've

1103
01:30:53,679 --> 01:31:01,840
seen a significant improvement in
planning, engineering,

1104
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:07,120
thinking, and and the stuff that that's
going on for our small city, but you

1105
01:31:04,639 --> 01:31:13,600
know, we're still it's a city and we
have to think about that stuff. We just

1106
01:31:08,639 --> 01:31:17,520
don't throw stuff up willy-nilly. people
the the biggest thing I think people fa

1107
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:22,480
don't think about on that is you know
traffic but water and sewer

1108
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:27,360
water is very important
>> and uh you know if you people think you

1109
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:33,199
can just throw up a subdivision and and
we're going to magically get water to it

1110
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:39,679
and handle the sewer the sewer capacity
the lines you you're going to you're

1111
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:44,400
going to stress them or or overstress
them stuff like that so I that Belchup's

1112
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:50,719
done an excellent job at looking at that
and um and then Morris has done a good

1113
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:55,840
job of helping us understand where the
best places to develop in our city is. I

1114
01:31:54,239 --> 01:32:00,320
I'd like just to speak a little bit
about consultants for small cities, you

1115
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:05,199
know, because
one of the things that we have an

1116
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:10,159
advantage in a lot of times is if you
hire a like a planning director,

1117
01:32:08,239 --> 01:32:16,320
» he knows what's going on in your city.
But when you work with 240 other cities

1118
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:20,560
in the state, you bring a lot of
>> knowledge in that say it work. It's

1119
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:24,800
working over here in this. Why don't we
bring it over here? and and you can

1120
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:29,120
share that information rather than it
all being just from one city. So I think

1121
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:33,679
in some ways like Belcheff and
Associates, they have a lot of cities

1122
01:32:30,639 --> 01:32:38,480
they work with and they bring a lot of
knowledge to the city that you wouldn't

1123
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:42,560
get if you just had a an engineer,
>> right? [clears throat]

1124
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:47,679
» It does make a difference. Personally
been involved in that.

1125
01:32:44,719 --> 01:32:50,560
Okay, other than we just meeting
adjourned

1126
01:32:49,679 --> 01:32:54,600
» 802.
>> Thank you all.

1127
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:54,600
» Okay,

1128
01:32:55,920 --> 01:33:00,760
» this conference is no longer being
recorded.