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I'm going to call this meeting to order

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of the uh city council of the city of

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Haywarden. We are in the city hall, the

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council chambers room. It is Wednesday,

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December 10th, 2025 at 5:30 p.m.

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We have our standard agenda items.

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Um,

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first item is to approve the November

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12, 2025 regular meeting minutes was in

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your packet. Could I have a motion,

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please?

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>> So, move

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>> and a second.

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>> Second.

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» Fight over it. Mhm.

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>> Go by alphabetical order. Uh we've got a

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motion in a second. All those in favor

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of approving the minutes from last

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meeting, please say I.

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>> I.

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>> Opposed?

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>> Passes four to zero.

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1B is approval of uh December 10th, 2025

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claims for payment. Could I have a

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motion, please?

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>> A motion to approve

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>> and a second.

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>> Second.

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Uh any questions on the claims?

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If not, all those in favor, please say

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>> Opposed?

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Passes four to zero. At this time, we

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have open business from the community.

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Do we have anyone who would like to

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speak to the council tonight?

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Seeing none, we'll go on to the mayor's

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report. I do not have a report tonight,

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so we'll jump to the staff reports.

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Jacob?

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>> Yes. Um, we have an extended uh agenda

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this time, so I'll keep my things brief,

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but I just wanted to thank John again

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for coming back and doing another six

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months with us and uh closing out this

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term. I want to thank uh Patty for her

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continued service to the city of

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Haywarden and uh the community. Uh she

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has done many many things for the

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community and this is just one of the

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last things that she's done as being a

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council member from January of 2022.

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just wanted to thank her for all that

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time and everything that she's done. I

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wanted to welcome the incoming uh board

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members uh Ben and Trevor. Uh I am

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excited to work with you guys as well.

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Also wanted to welcome Misty to the

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city. You guys got to see her a little

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bit earlier today. Uh Misty is coming to

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us from Sous City. Uh she graduated with

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a bachelor of science in public

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accounting and uh we have been working

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together a little over a week now and I

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am excited to have her on board. It's

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going to be a great addition to the

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team. And I also wanted to thank our

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staff that have been putting in very

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long days and lots of hours to make sure

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that our roads are clear with these uh

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many snow days that we've been having.

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So, and that is all.

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>> Okay. Thank you, Travis.

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>> Uh just going to update everybody on the

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park shelter. Uh it's substantially

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completed. Uh we're just working on the

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flooring and then they'll get the

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cabinets in and then we should be ready

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to go. um hopefully open that up uh

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sometime in January for rentals. Um just

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want to get the final touches and

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everything, get it to be a go. Um I did

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pass out the design. We have an

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opportunity uh on the flooring, the

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concrete. We're going to stain it. Uh

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then they put down a polyurethane and

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then they'll put this stencil out and

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then another layer gets put over top of

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that. So I think this will be a a nice

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addition. And then also the name um was

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uh Veterans Memorial Park or Veterans

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Memorial Shelter um is what the um

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winner the winning name was. Um so

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that's all

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we're going with that. And then

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substation transformers, the old

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substation. Um I've put it out there for

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quotes to get that scrapped out and then

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sent off. So, um hopefully um in the

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next few months we'll get those taken

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out and so we can get that area cleaned

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» Okay. Thanks, Travis.

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>> nothing. Thank you, Carol.

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>> I'm excited to announce that the USDA

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has opened up another opportunity for

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some people who had quite a bit of

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damage to the flood. Um they're offering

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$44,000 of a grant. Um it is an income

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eligible opportunity, but if you

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qualify, it's an easily funded one. Um

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so that'll be available for individuals,

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homeowners if they'd like to come in.

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I'm just working on a couple other grant

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opportunities. Um just getting through

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the end of the year. Um other than that,

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>> Okay, great. Thank you, Carol. Jenny,

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>> All right, we'll open it up to council

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comments at this time. Does anyone

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John for coming on board with us and

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helping us out here the last couple

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months and also to Patty Anderson for

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all of her work that she put forth um in

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serving as a council member as well.

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>> Very good. I'm sure we all share that

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sentiment. Thank you to both of them.

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be up here again for the last few months

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and thanks to everyone for their trust

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and letting me sit here. So hopefully

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it's not the last time, but I have faith

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in those coming in. So we'll see where

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>> Put that name tag back in the drawer.

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>> Yeah, I'll save that for later.

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>> Save it. Yes. Kept it for this long.

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you guys' experience has been uh

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paramount for all of this. Uh, also that

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this Saturday wreaths across America's

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coming and there's about 400 wreaths

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that need to be laid on veterans ce

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veterans gravestones at the cemetery.

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11:30 go to the little shel the little

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shop shelter at the cemetery and uh uh

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Terry and Mike Coulson are kind of

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heading that up and Sud Young guys at

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the Eagles. So, if anybody wants to help

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have one for every there's 669

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veterans buried in our cemetery. And

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their goal for next year is to have one

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for every single veteran.

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>> do you remember how many you had last

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>> None. Well, I think they had a hand they

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had a handful, but not nearly as many as

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Okay, then at this time we have uh some

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oath of offices to give. We're going to

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start out with Rob. We're going to just

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go in front here and have you read your

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oath.

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Raise

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your right hand and read your oath,

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>> I Rob Fluffy do so I will support the

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United States and Constitution of the

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State of Iowa and I will faithfully and

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to the best of my ability all the duties

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of the city council for the city of

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and then uh

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» you sure did check

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>> and then you can keep

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me square that I will support the

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Constitution of the United States and

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the Constitution of the State of Iowa

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and that I will faithfully and

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impartially to the best of my ability

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Discharge all the duties of city council

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for the city of Horton as now and

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hereafter required by law.

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Congratulations

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here and here with this penitution

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of the United States

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and to the best of my ability all the

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duties of the city council the city of

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now and here required by law.

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Sign this one and this one.

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» Congratulations.

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» You take this one and that pen.

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>> Thank you.

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I will support the constitution of

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United States

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this one and the one in your hand.

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I also swear that I will support the

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Constitution of the United States of the

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State of Iowa

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and partially to the best of my ability

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to discharge all the duties of possible

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trustee regional health as required by

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» I want to sign this one and this one

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both of them.

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» I can email you

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>> open meetings. I've got certificates for

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» All right. Uh this one's yours with that

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willing to serve uh the city. LET'S

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we'll move on. We've got a public

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hearing to dispose of real property.

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>> Yes. So this is uh the one that is being

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sold to SD construction. This is going

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to be our public hearing. Um I

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have not myself heard anything. Have you

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heard anything? Any public comments?

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>> No, nothing at this time.

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>> Okay. We will open up the public hearing

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at this time. If there are any comments

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from anyone in attendance, can hear them

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Not seeing any. We will move on. Um,

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could use a need a motion to approve

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that resolution 202523.

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>> I'll make a motion to approve resolution

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2523.

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>> And a second.

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>> I'll second.

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>> Further discussion.

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We'll do roll call. Allan

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>> Warner.

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>> Felacer.

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>> I.

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>> And Klucky.

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>> I. That passes four to zero. Thank you.

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We've got a resolution 2025 24 setting

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public hearing on proposal to dispose of

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real property. We will open the um the

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public hearing at this time.

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>> Setting the public. Gotcha.

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>> Thank you. Yep.

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>> Uh so um anything you want to add to

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>> All right. So, the Haywardarden Chamber

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and Economic Development is looking to

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purchase this property. Um, they've had

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a lot of interest from people that have

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been trying to look for a place to put

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something. They show them this property,

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but then there's a lot of unknown stuff

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kind of going on. They have to build up

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and they don't want to um they want to

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just kind of know what the price is. So,

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a lot of people have been backing off

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after they show them that and they show

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that this going on. So, the chamber got

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together and came up with this idea to

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just get this

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uh uh spend what it needs to get it up

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uh to where it's supposed to be. Uh so

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that somebody can build on it and then

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somebody will have just that that's the

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price that they will pay and make it

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more enticing for them to uh come in and

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get it. Uh and they are not looking to

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uh make any profit off of it. They're

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going to do it the same as if we were to

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sell it. They're just doing the work to

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build it up and spending that money to

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make it more enticing for somebody to

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move in there. Any

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questions? Yeah. Okay. Got a motion.

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>> Second

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>> and a second. We'll do a roll call here

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again. Uh Warner

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>> I.

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>> Philer.

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>> I.

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>> Clucky.

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>> I.

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>> Allen.

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>> I.

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>> Motion passes four to zero.

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Number five. Resolution 202525

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setting a public hearing to consider

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proposed changes to the Haywarden code

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of ordinance by amending cable

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television utility rates and fees. It is

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my um goal to have more public hearings

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for these ordinances that uh change

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monetary um stuff for citizens. So uh

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this will just be the setting a public

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hearing for our final reading for the

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ordinance for cable rates. Um, I want to

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make sure that I read clearly tonight,

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especially uh the rates and what they

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were and what they're going to and why

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so that uh anybody watching uh later on

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or listening in later on can have

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something to kind of reference and know

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what's going on. So, uh but just uh

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setting the public hearing so that they

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have their chance to come give us their

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input before we set the rates.

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Okay. Any questions on that?

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» So move.

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>> Second.

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>> Okay. We've got a motion in a second.

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Any further discussion?

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If not, we'll do roll call. Felteer.

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>> I.

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>> Cluckucky.

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>> I.

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>> Allen.

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>> I.

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>> Warner.

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>> I.

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>> Motion passes four to zero. Setting the

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public hearing.

350
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Uh number six is uh the second reading

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of ordinance 761 which is an ordinance

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amending cable rates and fees of the

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city of Haywarden by amending sections

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113.09,

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113.10

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and 113.13.

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Um

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>> yes. Yeah. So this is actually changing

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the rates. Um last meeting I I spoke

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about it uh but I know I kind of

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stumbled over a couple things. So, I

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want to see if I can do it a little bit

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more clear for people. Um, currently

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right now, we have two primary packages

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for cable. We have a basic and we have

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an expanded. Uh, the basic right now

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without taxes is 37.93 a month and

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expanded is 9227 a month. Now, our

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actual cost to the city to transmit

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those packages to the customer is

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actually $42 a month and $112 a month to

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transmit that to them. So, we have been

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losing money every single month, every

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single customer for everybody that has

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uh cable and uh we can't sustain that if

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we're going to continue to have

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high-tech be a competitive and good um

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utility. So, we are just going to try

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and raise it to a rate that just kind of

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breaks us even so that it's not um

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eating away at some profits. So, uh what

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we have in this ordinance is to raise it

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up to $43 for the basic a month and $113

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for the expanded. Um, and then I also

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just kind of wanted to highlight that in

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this ordinance it also removes the

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digital packages because we are not

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being able to do digital going forward

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as uh beginning in early January. But I

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am told that only affects about 15

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customers. So, and they have been sent

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letters to inform them of the services

393
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that are going to be changing. Um,

394
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I think I've covered that pretty well.

395
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So that is uh what this ordinance is

396
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doing.

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» Okay. We're amending cable rates. Uh any

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further discussion?

399
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>> If not, I would take a motion.

400
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>> A motion to approve the second reading

401
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of ordinance 761.

402
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>> Okay, Christie. And a second.

403
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>> I'll second that motion.

404
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>> Rob. And any further discussion?

405
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If not, we'll do roll call. Cluckucky.

406
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>> I

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>> Allan,

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>> hi.

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>> Warner,

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>> I.

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>> Peler,

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>> hi.

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>> Passes four to zero. Thank you. We're at

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number seven, approval of the leasing

415
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contract.

416
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>> Okay. So, Quadant uh has our mailer

417
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machine. And our mailer machine, what

418
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the city uses it for is it seals and

419
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stamps all of our envelopes that we send

420
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out. Uh which includes all of our

421
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utility billing um letters that go out

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every single month. So on average, I

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mean we have over 1,200 items that go

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through this machine a month. Um

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it looks like the monthly increase right

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now if we sign uh this which is actually

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a the lease comes up in April but they

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have a program that we can sign a new

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contract with this year's rate increase

430
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if we sign it now ahead of time. Um but

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they anticipate that the rate's going to

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go up. So if we wait till April, it'll

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be a little bit higher. And this is just

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a way that they can try and give back to

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the people that have their current

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contracts is to sign one slightly early

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at the year before's rates. So um we

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don't have to sign it now. That's going

439
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to be up to you guys, but then come

440
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April, we would have probably a slightly

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higher contract that we would be

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approving for it. So,

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» I'll make a motion that we sign it now.

444
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>> I'll second.

445
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>> Okay, we got a motion and a second. Any

446
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further discussion?

447
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All those in favor, please say I.

448
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>> I.

449
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>> Opposed?

450
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>> Passes four to zero. Thank you. Moving

451
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on to item eight is discussion on mobile

452
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vendors.

453
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Okay. So last meeting uh we had talked

454
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about doing the schedule of fees uh

455
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which we tabled which we'll have to

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figure out the proper process to on

457
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table. I think one of you guys will

458
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motion it to bring it off the table

459
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before we can actually vote on it next

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item. Um but we wanted to uh take some

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time to uh talk about the mobile vendors

462
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and maybe the definition behind it and

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what all is included in a mobile vendor.

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Uh specifically, there are a couple

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different things that uh were brought to

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our attention that we wanted to look at

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that were, you know, not included in a a

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mobile food truck. Um so they have the

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uh the coffee that has uh delivered to

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the hospital that they serve out of

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there. I think it's once a month. Um

472
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another one is the flower shop that is

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uh set up like across the street from

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Casey's in the springtime. Used to be uh

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on Sunshine. Um and then some other just

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uh vendors that sell things. Uh they uh

477
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we just wanted to bring it up for

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discussion what you guys think, what

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should be included, what shouldn't be

480
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included, why. And uh the city is

481
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wanting to hear from you guys on what

482
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direction you want to go for that so

483
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that we can

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put your vision on paper

485
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because the way that it's written right

486
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now it would stay the same with that

487
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being just mobile food trucks. So

488
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as I mentioned last time and I'll speak

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about it again that I uh would prefer

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the language to include

491
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So it so it's not so just specific to

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food trucks. So I want it to encompass

493
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any um entity that comes to our city

494
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that it's not brick and mortar. They

495
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come in, they sell their items, and then

496
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they're out. So anything like that that

497
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we can think of. And Jenny, if you have

498
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any guidance on this as far as wordage,

499
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verbiage, however you want to say it, um

500
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I'll gladly listen to what you have to

501
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say. I think in crafting this ordinance,

502
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it's going to be important to define or

503
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identify a purpose of the ordinance. So,

504
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typically they're they're crafted

505
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towards food vendors for the purpose of

506
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ensuring safety, sanitary conditions,

507
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regulations. So, if we're going to

508
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expand it, I think we have to be um

509
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intentional about why we're expanding it

510
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and what public purpose we are

511
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essentially protecting. So, uh I think

512
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that would be my take on it is if it's

513
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expanded, we need to identify and define

514
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why and what public purpose it is

515
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serving.

516
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Yeah, it for me uh you know if it's at a

517
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private business and they bring a a

518
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coffee company in there, that's a little

519
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different than on the corner of the

520
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street or wherever. So that's one thing

521
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I see is different. And then the other

522
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thing is like spillet soil, sweet corn,

523
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pumpkins, different things like that

524
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outside of the farmers market where we

525
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start and stop. And

526
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>> well, wouldn't that too

527
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>> if you change it if you change it to

528
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>> I think we got to be specific in what we

529
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do.

530
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>> I was going to say if you change it to

531
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just

532
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>> non- brick and mortar like you said

533
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>> that affects every vendor at the farmers

534
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market. That affects every person that

535
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,240
comes in to sell sweet corn.

536
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,000
>> That affects all the vendors that come

537
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for Labor Day weekend. I mean, that's

538
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what it is. They don't It's not a

539
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brick-and-mortar store, so they'd all

540
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have to pay this.

541
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>> What's the purpose?

542
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>> That's what, you know,

543
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>> my my goal was to, you know, um make

544
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sure we I mean, everybody does a great

545
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job supporting small town businesses,

546
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but, you know, those small town

547
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businesses, they give back to the

548
00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:19,840
community, and I don't see that with the

549
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,240
other ones coming in. And correct me if

550
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,880
I'm wrong. Maybe I don't know, and maybe

551
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,080
they do. let me know and I might be able

552
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,440
to change my opinion on that.

553
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,280
So, that's where I'm at with it. And I

554
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,720
don't know if that's good enough purpose

555
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,600
or not, Jenny, but you guys can let me

556
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,440
know where we need to go in the

557
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:40,720
direction with this.

558
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,919
>> Derek brought up the Labor Day vendors.

559
00:23:43,919 --> 00:23:45,600
>> They actually pay a fee to the chamber,

560
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,440
I believe, for being there. So,

561
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:48,799
>> well, then they have to pay that would

562
00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:50,720
pay a fee to the chamber and they'd have

563
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,080
to pay a fee to the city. So,

564
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:52,880
>> Yep.

565
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:53,360
>> Y

566
00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:54,799
>> I mean, and a lot of those people that

567
00:23:54,799 --> 00:23:56,799
do that are local. they, you know,

568
00:23:56,799 --> 00:23:59,360
they're localish. Yeah. I mean,

569
00:23:59,360 --> 00:23:59,600
>> yeah.

570
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,120
>> So, I don't want to put an undue burden

571
00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:01,679
on them,

572
00:24:01,679 --> 00:24:02,240
>> right?

573
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,520
>> You know, and this

574
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,760
>> I get the food truck thing. I really do.

575
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,640
I get the food truck thing where making

576
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,480
sure it's safe and all that stuff and

577
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,240
charging a fee for it.

578
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,840
>> It's kind of protecting our local

579
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,360
restaurants as well because they're not

580
00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:19,679
coming in for free. They're not doing

581
00:24:19,679 --> 00:24:22,159
any of that stuff. You know, I

582
00:24:22,159 --> 00:24:24,640
understand that. But I mean all the

583
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,720
other ones I'm like,

584
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,120
you know, they're not they're there for

585
00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:31,440
two months or whatever one day or what.

586
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,640
I don't see an issue with having that,

587
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,000
you know. That's just my opinion on it.

588
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,720
>> Where does the pedaller's license stop

589
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,919
when it comes to things like that?

590
00:24:43,919 --> 00:24:45,760
>> Um he's talking about like the other

591
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,279
one, the pedaller fee where they come in

592
00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:48,400
to sell things. Uh

593
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:49,760
>> so I mean like there'll be some that are

594
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,559
subject to that already. Uh that is

595
00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:54,880
defined as like they have they are

596
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,960
selling um is that just like door to

597
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:57,360
door

598
00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:58,080
>> door to door?

599
00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:58,720
>> Yeah,

600
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,240
>> I think that's the definition I'm going

601
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,080
to look for right now because I was

602
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,600
thinking that same thing that some might

603
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,430
be covered under that.

604
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,279
» I did check area around us as well. The

605
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:13,600
ones that have them

606
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,520
are food or beverage. There were some

607
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,480
beverage ones. I think there's a

608
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,080
margarita truck that goes around that

609
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,760
you have to have a Right.

610
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,039
>> Wait, there's a margarita truck.

611
00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:29,360
>> There is. There is. They have to have a license.

612
00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:31,120
>> We've had a two in center where those

613
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:32,559
that had a food truck and they served

614
00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:33,840
inside then they actually had to

615
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,600
transfer get their license to qualify

616
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,520
them inside. So for those that are

617
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,480
serving coffee in a in a facility, they

618
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,559
might already have to do that by Iowa

619
00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:44,240
law.

620
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:45,679
>> All right. So, can you correct me if I'm

621
00:25:45,679 --> 00:25:47,679
wrong here, but what I'm hearing is that

622
00:25:47,679 --> 00:25:49,039
this would have to be an ordinance

623
00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:51,600
change to do any of that.

624
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,600
>> Yeah, I'm looking at Yes.

625
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,320
>> Okay. So, no matter what happens, uh

626
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,000
what we're talking about with the next

627
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,240
item, whatever we say here wouldn't

628
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,000
change that anyways because we would

629
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,480
have to do an ordinance change to change

630
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:10,640
uh that um which I wasn't tracking. So

631
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,919
what I would say is for the for that

632
00:26:13,919 --> 00:26:16,400
schedule of fees like

633
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,279
I wouldn't recommend to scrap that

634
00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:21,760
section of it because then we're just

635
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,760
going to go back to what is there now

636
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,679
and our updated section I think is

637
00:26:25,679 --> 00:26:28,960
higher than what

638
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:34,149
um than what it was.

639
00:26:34,159 --> 00:26:37,360
So, um I would almost recommend

640
00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:38,559
>> leave it tabled until we

641
00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:41,520
>> Well, either that or pass this

642
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,159
>> currently proposed and then we discuss

643
00:26:44,159 --> 00:26:45,120
the rest later.

644
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:47,039
>> Yeah, we can't do any of these fees

645
00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:49,039
until you pass this.

646
00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:50,880
>> Um well, we can do them from the old

647
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,080
rates, right?

648
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,679
>> Um we're we're trying to get those

649
00:26:53,679 --> 00:26:55,120
changed, so we don't want to table it

650
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:55,840
too long.

651
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,080
>> Yeah, I would say if we're um going to

652
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,600
move because when was it tabled? Was it

653
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,679
last meeting last meeting? then then we

654
00:27:01,679 --> 00:27:05,760
need to take it off the table. I realize

655
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,039
we're kind of in a time crunch because

656
00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:08,559
we only have one meeting because of the

657
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:11,919
holidays, but sooner rather than later.

658
00:27:11,919 --> 00:27:12,480
>> Yeah.

659
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,000
>> The one thing I will say because Johnny

660
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,039
brought up a good point about the

661
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:17,840
peddlers. It says,

662
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,679
so this Chris, you would cover some of

663
00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:21,919
the delivery of goods or merchandise,

664
00:27:21,919 --> 00:27:23,760
but just from house to house or upon

665
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,960
public street. So, I think that's where

666
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,000
it probably wouldn't cover the um

667
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:30,799
>> the park stuff.

668
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:32,559
>> Yeah, the park stuff, the private

669
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:34,000
property, but it would I guess if

670
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:42,390
they're on the street.

671
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,880
» I'll make a motion that we untable this

672
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,000
and pass the current proposed fees

673
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,600
resolution 2025-8.

674
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:52,720
>> It has to be two different motions,

675
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:53,520
correct?

676
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,279
>> Yes. First, we got to take it off.

677
00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:56,320
>> My motion was to untab

678
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:56,960
>> to take it off.

679
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,960
>> I'll second the untabling.

680
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,830
>> Okay, further discussion.

681
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,640
» If not, this motion is to take uh the

682
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,559
resolution off the table. Uh Allan,

683
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:11,840
>> I

684
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:12,480
>> Warner.

685
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,480
>> I

686
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:15,279
>> Feldcker.

687
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:16,720
>> Hi,

688
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:17,360
>> Clucky.

689
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:20,789
>> Hi.

690
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:24,240
Okay, it is off the table now. Is there

691
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,159
another motion we want to make?

692
00:28:26,159 --> 00:28:29,200
>> Well, do you want to skip second and

693
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,360
first and second readings and try to

694
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:32,720
actually get it approved before the end

695
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,799
of the year, or do you want to

696
00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:36,480
>> um Well, we don't even have an ordinance

697
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,399
ready for that. So, this would just be

698
00:28:38,399 --> 00:28:40,080
to approve the new

699
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,799
>> fees for what we have that go attached

700
00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:45,679
to the old ordinance already. So, we

701
00:28:45,679 --> 00:28:48,320
would have to come up with a a whole new

702
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,240
ordinance change to look at the other

703
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,200
thing. Okay.

704
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:52,880
>> Um,

705
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,480
and then I'm assuming that there's just

706
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:59,360
going to be um some more

707
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:00,720
things that I'll have to look into for

708
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,399
different possibilities with uh Jenny

709
00:29:02,399 --> 00:29:06,559
and then we'll bring something to you.

710
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:09,360
>> So,

711
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,080
okay. Uh, we've got a motion for uh

712
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,880
approving the resolution 202518.

713
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,279
Amending the schedule of fees.

714
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:18,640
>> Second.

715
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,240
>> Okay.

716
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,960
Got a motion and a second.

717
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,799
Um, Warner

718
00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:26,399
>> I.

719
00:29:26,399 --> 00:29:27,279
>> Felnecker.

720
00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:28,480
>> Hi,

721
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:29,120
>> Clucky.

722
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,640
>> I,

723
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:31,360
>> Alen.

724
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,520
>> I.

725
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,919
>> Okay. Resolution 202518 has passed

726
00:29:37,919 --> 00:29:41,600
4 to zero. We'll move on to 10 to update

727
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,720
authorized users. Yeah, this is just to

728
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,039
add Misti to River's Edge and People's

729
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:48,640
Bank. And we are going to take off

730
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,880
Travis because we don't want extra

731
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,559
people that don't need to have access to

732
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:54,960
it. He was our backup and we won't need

733
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,720
it anymore.

734
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,279
>> So moved.

735
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:01,360
>> Second.

736
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,000
Got a motion and a second. All those in

737
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,640
favor of updating authorized users,

738
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:07,520
please say I.

739
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:08,320
>> I.

740
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,919
>> Opposed?

741
00:30:09,919 --> 00:30:12,640
Passes four to zero.

742
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,080
Item 11 is resolution 202526

743
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:21,279
setting wages for fiscal year 26.

744
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:22,960
Okay,

745
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,240
I need to get down here.

746
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,880
So, last meeting we talked about uh the

747
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,000
union contract and that we had uh big

748
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,760
jumps that we needed to do for some of

749
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,000
our guys to get them back to even just

750
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,360
the medium range of uh their positions

751
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,919
comparative to other uh cities in our

752
00:30:41,919 --> 00:30:44,080
area and people that do what they do.

753
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,320
Um, you asked me to crunch the numbers

754
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,240
and see how this would affect our

755
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,120
current year's budget. And the electric

756
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,480
budget would uh be increased by a little

757
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,120
over $14,600.

758
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,360
And they uh current in our budget have

759
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,919
that in revenue over expenses. These

760
00:31:01,919 --> 00:31:04,320
will all be have to be amended because

761
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,480
they weren't built into the expenses,

762
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,919
but we have the uh um extra revenue over

763
00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:12,720
expenses to cover these increases this

764
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,679
year.

765
00:31:13,679 --> 00:31:16,240
um in almost all these departments and

766
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:17,679
I'll talk about the one that doesn't.

767
00:31:17,679 --> 00:31:21,279
So, uh gas uh an increase of a little

768
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:24,559
over $7,300. Also, they have a surplus

769
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:28,399
uh a surplus uh estimated for this year.

770
00:31:28,399 --> 00:31:30,960
Um water and wastewater

771
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,760
um are each going to be about a little

772
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,919
over $3,600

773
00:31:35,919 --> 00:31:39,279
and they can both support it. Telecom uh

774
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:42,559
is uh $4,262.

775
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:44,480
Now, telecom is not budgeted to have a

776
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:49,519
surplus. Um, I do not think that this uh

777
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:51,360
amount is going to make or break what

778
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,799
we're doing right now. And with all of

779
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:54,799
our changes that we're making, it should

780
00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:57,840
still make it just fine. Uh, as long as

781
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,919
we stick to the schedule, uh, we will

782
00:31:59,919 --> 00:32:02,480
have uh internet changes coming up

783
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,559
shortly as well.

784
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:09,039
And then street. Um, that one is uh

785
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:11,440
$4,262

786
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,320
and we do still have uh enough money in

787
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,840
the rut fund to cover that as well. And

788
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:23,760
then uh cemetery uh is uh $890 $95. So

789
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,360
that's not really going to move

790
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,159
anything. And then uh the utilities is

791
00:32:28,159 --> 00:32:30,080
another 1,200 that's going to be split

792
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,120
over four utilities. So also all of

793
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,039
these are very doable. this year. We

794
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:36,559
will have amendments that cover them,

795
00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:40,399
but nothing is going to um negatively

796
00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:42,960
affect us to be able to do it early.

797
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,480
Again, that's going to be completely on

798
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,159
you uh on your guys's decision on

799
00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:47,840
whether you want to start this January 1

800
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,320
with this resolution or if it waits

801
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,559
until July.

802
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:54,480
>> I'll make a motion to approve resolution

803
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,830
202526.

804
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,679
» Second.

805
00:32:59,679 --> 00:33:06,950
I'll second it. Further discussion.

806
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,000
Okay, we'll do roll call.

807
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,200
Feldhacker.

808
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,559
>> I.

809
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:13,360
>> Clucky.

810
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:14,240
>> Hi.

811
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:14,880
>> Allen.

812
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:15,760
>> Hi.

813
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:16,399
>> Warner.

814
00:33:16,399 --> 00:33:18,399
>> I.

815
00:33:18,399 --> 00:33:22,080
>> Resolution passes 4 to zero.

816
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:26,950
Thank you.

817
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,279
Next is a discussion on electric

818
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:30,960
scooters.

819
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,799
Um,

820
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:35,279
I had uh

821
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:37,440
in your packet you've got some

822
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,279
proposals. I visited with uh Jacob and

823
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:45,679
Brian about these. Um,

824
00:33:45,679 --> 00:33:50,080
I've got some proposals which um provide

825
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,720
some critical modifications in addition

826
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,279
to the existing city ordinance

827
00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:57,919
concerning electric scooters,

828
00:33:57,919 --> 00:34:00,159
including the recent additions by the

829
00:34:00,159 --> 00:34:03,039
city council. These recommend

830
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:04,960
recommendations stem from a shared

831
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,120
desire to make our community safer for

832
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,399
all residents, particularly our youth.

833
00:34:10,399 --> 00:34:13,119
The time for action is now. We must

834
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:16,240
proactively prevent a potential tragedy

835
00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:18,639
rather than react to one after it

836
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:21,040
occurred.

837
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,679
These recommendations are designed to

838
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:26,639
mitigate risk, encourage parental

839
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:30,000
involvement, and ensure that individuals

840
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,000
possess the necessary skills and

841
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,119
knowledge and judgment to safely operate

842
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:38,480
motorized scooters.

843
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,320
My first proposal is to require a

844
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,960
minimum age of 10 years old to operate

845
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,839
in in the city. Operating a motorized

846
00:34:49,839 --> 00:34:51,839
scooter safely

847
00:34:51,839 --> 00:34:54,320
requires a specific level of strength,

848
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,040
coordination, motor skills, judgment,

849
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,280
and a basic understanding of traffic

850
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,640
laws and city ordinances.

851
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:07,920
I believe um that our children that are

852
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,720
under 10 uh do not have all of those

853
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:14,560
skills that they need to travel safely

854
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,599
on city streets and sidewalks. The

855
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:20,320
proposal specifically is to enforce a

856
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,880
minimum age requirement of 10 years old

857
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,680
to operate a motorized scooter on public

858
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,640
streets, sidewalks, or parks within

859
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,800
Haywarden.

860
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,400
Um, any questions, comments,

861
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,079
uh, reactions to that

862
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:41,440
proposal? What are your thoughts?

863
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,839
>> It's not a bad idea.

864
00:35:43,839 --> 00:35:45,680
You're you're you're right on the age

865
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,280
limit. I I've seen kids that shouldn't

866
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,400
even ride a tricycle,

867
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:50,640
>> right?

868
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,480
And I don't I don't want to see

869
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,160
somebody get hurt.

870
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:59,119
It's 10's a pretty good is a good round

871
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:02,720
age for that idea. It's a good idea in

872
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:05,440
my mind. Okay,

873
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,950
other thoughts.

874
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,359
Let's move on to uh proposal number two

875
00:36:13,359 --> 00:36:16,560
is mandatory helmet use for riders aged

876
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,200
14 and under.

877
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,040
The most serious injuries involving

878
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,880
motorized scooters are predominantly

879
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,119
head related. Protecting our children

880
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:27,839
must be our top priority.

881
00:36:27,839 --> 00:36:30,400
The proposal is to require all motorized

882
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,200
scooter operators aged 14 and under to

883
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,760
wear a properly fitted safety helmet at

884
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,599
all times while riding on public

885
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:39,920
property, including streets and

886
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:45,670
sidewalks.

887
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,750
Reaction

888
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,440
It's about protecting the kids. Really?

889
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,680
>> Do we require it for a bicycle though?

890
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,200
>> We do not.

891
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,880
>> The only counter argument is

892
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,480
>> that'd be Yeah, that's that devil's

893
00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:59,839
advocate counter argument. We don't

894
00:36:59,839 --> 00:37:01,599
require it for a bicycle. I understand

895
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:03,599
the scooter goes faster

896
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:07,280
>> and protecting kids is a paramount, but

897
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,359
can we require one without the other?

898
00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:12,720
>> In my mind, a scooter is dramatically

899
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:15,040
different than a bicycle. When you take

900
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,400
a look at the uh the size of the wheels

901
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,640
and the stability,

902
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,560
um

903
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,720
I a bicycle would handle uh ruts in the

904
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:29,520
street and uneven sidewalks much better

905
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,280
than a um um

906
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,160
a electric scooter would be. Plus, uh

907
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,480
you've got kids standing on it

908
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,480
>> rather than sitting on a bicycle. I I

909
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,240
feel like a bicycle is a different

910
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:45,839
animal.

911
00:37:45,839 --> 00:37:46,720
Um

912
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:48,240
>> yeah, I don't dis I don't disagree.

913
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:50,160
>> Yeah, these we are talking about

914
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,760
electric motorized scooters.

915
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,240
>> Electric motorized scooters.

916
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:56,400
>> That's easy to not like the

917
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:57,920
>> not the ones you

918
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,359
>> Right. Right.

919
00:37:59,359 --> 00:38:01,520
>> Those don't go very fast.

920
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,680
>> No, this is No, you're right. It just

921
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,359
that was my counter argument. We don't

922
00:38:05,359 --> 00:38:06,480
require for a bicycle.

923
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:15,109
>> That's a good point. Okay. Anything

924
00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:19,190
else?

925
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,119
My third proposal is to uh set a speed

926
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:25,119
limit of 15 miles per hour for the

927
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:28,079
motorized scooters. The higher speeds

928
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:29,920
drastically reduce the time available

929
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,079
for both scooter operators and vehicle

930
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:34,960
drivers to avoid collisions leading to

931
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,240
more serious incidents. Uh, I know I

932
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:42,000
have witnessed um riders on motorized

933
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,480
scooters um going faster than 15 miles

934
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,280
per hour. And it's to me it's scary to

935
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,920
see that. Um the proposal would be to

936
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,320
implement a speed limit of 15 mph for

937
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,480
all motorized scooters operating within

938
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,200
the city limits regardless of location,

939
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,720
street, sidewalk, or bike path.

940
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:06,880
I have a question about can we can we

941
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,640
actually enforce this one because not

942
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,320
all scooters have speedometers.

943
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,839
>> So the kids don't know how fast they're

944
00:39:11,839 --> 00:39:13,040
going,

945
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:13,520
>> right?

946
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,920
>> Can we can this one actually be enforced

947
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,440
because they don't know?

948
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:22,000
>> I talked with Brian about this and and he had concerns about the radar

949
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,520
guns, you know, don't do that.

950
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,720
uh it would be a subjective thing and it

951
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:30,960
probably would be something that if you

952
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,880
see somebody and I think maybe we have

953
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,280
some language already that if someone is

954
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,400
driving um

955
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,160
beyond the the situation the road

956
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,880
situation and and such that that would

957
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,880
be um against the rules anyway. I don't

958
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,400
know if it's in our ordinance or not,

959
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:50,800
but

960
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,200
>> yeah, if if they're operating in a

961
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,160
manner which is um

962
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,640
harmful to public safety to themselves

963
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,880
or others, then we can address it

964
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,640
>> just under because they're required to

965
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,440
obey any general traffic laws under the

966
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,280
Code of Iowa.

967
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,240
>> Yeah.

968
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:10,800
>> So, we don't do Do you really I mean, do

969
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,320
you really need the specific language of

970
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,560
15 miles an hour? Because if the kid

971
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:15,920
doesn't, like I said, if the kid doesn't

972
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,839
know how fast they're going, can you

973
00:40:17,839 --> 00:40:19,440
give a kid a speeding ticket on a on a

974
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,790
bicycle?

975
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:23,520
» No.

976
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,760
>> Okay. So, if there's no speedometer, you

977
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,760
can't tell how fast you're going. Is it

978
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,000
really fair to the the kid or And but if

979
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,800
they're driving it recklessly, that's a whole different animal. So,

980
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:37,040
>> yeah. And frankly, if uh a kid is

981
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,560
driving at 15 mph on our streets or

982
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,560
sidewalks, that that's reckless as far

983
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,400
as I'm concerned. Um and as far as

984
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,720
enforcement, uh there would be

985
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:52,400
definitely some um subjectivity uh on

986
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,160
the part of uh the police. I do think it

987
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,680
would be um

988
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,200
it would be good to have

989
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,440
um the police maybe pull over someone

990
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:10,000
who is in their opinion driving too fast

991
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,599
and

992
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:15,280
especially 15 miles per hour. Um it

993
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,800
gives them the opportunity to pull them

994
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,119
over and talk to them about it. I would

995
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:22,480
not ticket somebody probably for uh you

996
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,839
know going 16 miles per hour or 17 miles

997
00:41:25,839 --> 00:41:28,240
per hour, but sometimes sometimes we

998
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:28,800
need a little

999
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,400
>> one kid over for going too fast. Word's

1000
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:31,760
going to travel that hey don't go too

1001
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,200
fast you're going to get pulled over.

1002
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:34,560
>> I mean kids are going to talk to each

1003
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,400
other. So it's not it's not a it's not

1004
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,040
such a bad thing. I just don't know if

1005
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:39,440
that

1006
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,240
>> how do you enforce

1007
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:41,680
>> how do you well yeah how do you enforce

1008
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,280
it and then

1009
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,520
>> having it be specifically say that you

1010
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,839
know writing recklessly is a is a

1011
00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:50,079
different animal. So if it said that,

1012
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:52,800
which our ours already does, that's we

1013
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,839
don't necessarily need that verbiage.

1014
00:41:55,839 --> 00:41:56,480
>> Correct.

1015
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,319
>> So,

1016
00:41:58,319 --> 00:42:01,119
>> okay. Yeah. And Jenny, could you look at

1017
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:03,599
that to see and not right now

1018
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:05,599
necessarily, just to see that our

1019
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:08,720
current language would cover

1020
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:10,079
>> Well, the we don't need current

1021
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:12,079
language. So, the code of Iowa covers

1022
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:14,880
it. So, any reckless use is already in

1023
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,680
the code of Iowa. So like chief had

1024
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,079
indicated it's it's already there.

1025
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:21,119
Reckless,

1026
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:21,839
>> okay,

1027
00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:23,440
>> is already there. You know, they have to

1028
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,480
stop at stop signs. They have to, you

1029
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,400
know, yield at yield signs. They have to

1030
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:29,760
yield to the rightway. They're subject

1031
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,200
to the same traffic regulations

1032
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,800
that are already set forth in the code,

1033
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,720
which would include reckless.

1034
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:39,440
>> Would we be better to say like we

1035
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,640
recommend speeds under 15?

1036
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,000
And I don't know,

1037
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,839
>> my concern has always been enforcability

1038
00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:50,480
>> within these regulations. You know, the

1039
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,040
first two I think are are obviously a

1040
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,240
lot more

1041
00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:56,240
>> easy to regulate because they're not

1042
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:57,440
subjective.

1043
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,119
>> The the speed limit's going to cause a

1044
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:00,480
lot of issues, I think, from a

1045
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,040
subjectivity. We can't have subjective

1046
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,920
regulations.

1047
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,920
>> I should can't say we can't have, but it

1048
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,200
will make

1049
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,920
>> chief's job a lot harder.

1050
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,680
um as well as you know his officers. So

1051
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,520
that would be my concern would just be

1052
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,960
having it be subjective.

1053
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,200
>> Okay. Uh but riding a scooter u

1054
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:29,119
recklessly is subjective, isn't it?

1055
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:30,560
>> It is.

1056
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:35,280
>> Okay. And would would you say that

1057
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:35,599
um

1058
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:37,280
>> it is it is defined? I mean, there's

1059
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:47,589
reckless defined in the um code.

1060
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:49,200
» Yeah. Willful disregard.

1061
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,680
>> Yeah. Willful or want disregard for the

1062
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,079
safety of persons or property? I mean,

1063
00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:56,640
how you going to determine if a

1064
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,839
10-year-old is being willful and not,

1065
00:43:59,839 --> 00:44:03,040
you know, in disregard for others? It's

1066
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,119
going to be difficult. And what are you

1067
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:06,800
going to do to them if they are?

1068
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,839
>> Is CARIS driving more relaxed than that?

1069
00:44:09,839 --> 00:44:12,960
>> Um, yeah,

1070
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,400
>> it is, right?

1071
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:14,800
>> Yes,

1072
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,119
>> it is. And there's there's case law out

1073
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:19,599
there as far as speed alone cannot be

1074
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:22,960
enough to determine um whether and a

1075
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,079
vehicle is operating recklessly. And so

1076
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:28,800
you need other factors besides speed.

1077
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:29,920
>> Yeah.

1078
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,319
>> Create unnecessary danger. tire

1079
00:44:32,319 --> 00:44:37,270
squealing.

1080
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:38,800
» Okay.

1081
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:39,520
Um

1082
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,480
>> I think there's a good effort to try and

1083
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,319
do that. I mean, to go 25 miles an hour

1084
00:44:44,319 --> 00:44:46,400
on a bike, I mean, it takes effort and a

1085
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:47,760
10-year-old's not going to do that where

1086
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,599
on a scooter,

1087
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:51,760
>> you know, they're there seconds. So, if

1088
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,079
they're allowed to be on like sidewalks

1089
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:57,359
and to be more prone to interact with

1090
00:44:57,359 --> 00:44:58,960
pedestrians,

1091
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,800
it's nice to give Brian some leeway so

1092
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,240
he can actually enforce some

1093
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:03,839
recklessness. But,

1094
00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:04,240
>> sure,

1095
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:06,079
>> I think just the temptation to have that

1096
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:09,440
is going to be easier and more likely.

1097
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:10,960
Mhm.

1098
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,000
>> And and and frankly my concern on this

1099
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,520
particular item is not so much

1100
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:22,880
uh concerns for u others but for concern

1101
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:27,839
for the writer who is going over 15

1102
00:45:27,839 --> 00:45:29,760
miles per hour and might be doing

1103
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,160
everything right

1104
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,720
but it's too fast for the conditions of

1105
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:40,390
the street and sidewalk.

1106
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:41,680
But um

1107
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,119
>> agree I would agree with that. I mean,

1108
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:47,599
you know, if they're

1109
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:50,000
>> Well, I I've seen it. I mean, kids kids

1110
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,079
will go as fast as they can down 16th

1111
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:56,480
Street. And I think they're banned from

1112
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,280
16th Street now. Is that one of the

1113
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,400
streets that they're banned from?

1114
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:03,040
>> No.

1115
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,720
>> Yeah, I don't think so. Okay. That's a

1116
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:07,599
good street to get uh get some speed up

1117
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:12,400
and uh or you get one of those scooters,

1118
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,760
you know, a little loose. And I'm I'm

1119
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,839
concerned with with the rider in this

1120
00:46:17,839 --> 00:46:21,200
particular uh case.

1121
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,440
Um but

1122
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,880
let's move on. We we'll have a chance to

1123
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:31,920
amend these uh at another time. Um,

1124
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,920
number four is consequences and parental

1125
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,000
involvement. To be truly effective,

1126
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,319
safety regulations require the active

1127
00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:40,240
participation of parents. Finding

1128
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:43,440
children is often inappropriate. The

1129
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,359
primary consequence for a minor's

1130
00:46:45,359 --> 00:46:48,160
infraction should involve the parents

1131
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,480
managing the privilege of riding the

1132
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,480
scooter.

1133
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,069
the um

1134
00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:58,880
and so the the proposal that I have

1135
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,040
which

1136
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:05,359
is just uh can can be uh changed but uh

1137
00:47:05,359 --> 00:47:07,760
to establish a range of enforcement

1138
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,560
actions dependent upon the severity of

1139
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,319
the infraction and the number of

1140
00:47:12,319 --> 00:47:14,880
previous infractions starting with a

1141
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,440
verbal warning of reports to the parents

1142
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,079
uh a ticket issued to the parents with

1143
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:25,040
escalating fines of $25 for the first

1144
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,079
event, first offense, 50 for the second,

1145
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:30,400
and 100 for the third and subsequent

1146
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,000
offenses, leading to a temporary ban on

1147
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,000
riding electric scooters of up to 30

1148
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,480
days within the city limits. And the

1149
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,520
consequences can be appealed to the city

1150
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,760
council within 30 days of the

1151
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,240
infraction.

1152
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:48,720
Um,

1153
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:52,240
right now I think we have

1154
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:55,839
the ability of the police department to

1155
00:47:55,839 --> 00:47:58,400
uh take the scooter.

1156
00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:59,760
>> Yeah, that's the only enforcement action

1157
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,839
that we have is to take the scooter.

1158
00:48:01,839 --> 00:48:04,640
>> Yeah. Seems to me like we should have

1159
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:09,119
some options prior to that. And

1160
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:12,960
I I'm I don't really care for the uh the

1161
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,119
optics of the police department taking a

1162
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:17,359
kid's scooter and putting it in the in

1163
00:48:17,359 --> 00:48:22,720
the uh the back of the pickup. Um,

1164
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:27,190
I think I think we want to

1165
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,000
if if it becomes necessary to

1166
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:35,040
incentivize parents to take away the

1167
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,920
right of uh riding the electric scooters

1168
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:42,160
from their um minor children.

1169
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,440
Thoughts?

1170
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:44,960
>> I mean, I don't disagree with it. I

1171
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,680
don't I don't disagree with

1172
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,520
any of this. You know, if a if a if

1173
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,640
chief pull chief stops the same kid six

1174
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,640
times,

1175
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,319
you know, a verbal warning obviously

1176
00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:00,720
isn't doing any good. So maybe you do

1177
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:02,400
got to tell the parents, you know, and

1178
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,200
let that be we don't like being

1179
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,440
subjective, but you know, if it's one,

1180
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,040
two times, it's not that big of a deal,

1181
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,400
but if it gets out of hand, then yeah,

1182
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,480
then this gives a little bit of bite to

1183
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,280
it. And I I don't disagree with it. The

1184
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:18,720
only my only question is would this fall

1185
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:21,200
under the same category as a traffic

1186
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,400
ticket or a parking ticket?

1187
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,440
>> Would it be a city or violation?

1188
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,119
>> Right. So like a parking ticket

1189
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:29,839
basically.

1190
00:49:29,839 --> 00:49:30,960
>> It's not going to go on their driving

1191
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:31,599
record.

1192
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:33,200
>> No, that's what I'm asking. I mean I

1193
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:34,240
don't want it to

1194
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:36,240
>> No. Is it going to affect and can you

1195
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:38,319
find a parent for something the kid did?

1196
00:49:38,319 --> 00:49:39,440
>> I see a lot.

1197
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:40,160
>> Yeah.

1198
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,680
>> I mean a lot of issues with this.

1199
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:44,240
>> Um

1200
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:47,520
>> Yes, I do too. I see verbal warning is

1201
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,480
great. I think chief can report to the

1202
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:51,760
parents without it being in an

1203
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,599
ordinance. He has the ability to go

1204
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:54,880
knock on the door and say, "Your kid's

1205
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,240
acting like a fool." Um, not all kids

1206
00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:00,160
have parents. Not all kids have two

1207
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,240
parents. I tell you what, my kid gets a

1208
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:04,240
ticket at his dad's house. I'm not

1209
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:07,359
paying it. You know, there's just so I

1210
00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:10,400
just this I don't like. But I think

1211
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,720
yeah, finding the parents is probably

1212
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:15,920
going to have a lot of issues. And I

1213
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,359
think that's what we kind of discussed

1214
00:50:17,359 --> 00:50:19,839
when we decided to just take the scooter

1215
00:50:19,839 --> 00:50:20,720
away

1216
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:21,920
>> because Yeah. Are you going to find a

1217
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,200
10-year-old? What happens when the

1218
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,950
10-year-old doesn't pay?

1219
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,800
» No, you wouldn't find a 10 10-y old.

1220
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:29,440
>> No.

1221
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,400
>> Can you legally find a parent for it?

1222
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,480
>> Find out.

1223
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,440
>> I'm not going to tell you. I'd fight it.

1224
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:38,800
>> I mean, that's

1225
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:39,599
that that'd be,

1226
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:40,960
>> you know, what if the kid's on a

1227
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,400
neighbor scooter and the parent doesn't

1228
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:43,200
know, right?

1229
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,520
>> Um the the whatifs go on and on and on.

1230
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:48,880
>> And I don't want to put something in an

1231
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,720
ordinance with what if

1232
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:53,680
>> I absolutely none of this. I am not in

1233
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,040
favor. I'm in favor of safety 100%. I'd

1234
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,880
probably stop a kid if it wasn't even my

1235
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,839
kid that was recklessly driving. And I

1236
00:51:01,839 --> 00:51:04,319
have done that before. Um and I do it

1237
00:51:04,319 --> 00:51:06,960
again just, you know, for their safety.

1238
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,240
um takes a village, right? So,

1239
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:13,839
I don't know. I'm not I I agree with our

1240
00:51:13,839 --> 00:51:16,319
ordinance that we just

1241
00:51:16,319 --> 00:51:19,440
um we just passed not that long ago. So,

1242
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,280
I don't see any of this needing to be

1243
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,599
added or amended. And that's just my

1244
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:25,440
opinion.

1245
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,040
>> And I think that's what you said,

1246
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:28,480
Christie, about it takes a village. You

1247
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,559
know, we kind of talked about that.

1248
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:32,079
>> What can we do now? School is in

1249
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:34,000
session. You know, maybe now is the time

1250
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,880
to to push the schools to to make kids

1251
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,079
more aware. Maybe we wait till

1252
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:39,280
springtime when they start using them.

1253
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,000
Do they use them when it's this cold?

1254
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,800
>> Yeah, that's Brian.

1255
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,480
>> I saw one the other day through the

1256
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:47,680
slush and snow.

1257
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:48,240
>> Nice.

1258
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:48,960
>> Yes.

1259
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,440
>> Thankfully, the the speeds were just

1260
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,599
right for the conditions.

1261
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:56,400
>> I don't I I I don't disagree. I I don't

1262
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,960
disagree with the first two. Yeah,

1263
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,720
>> putting an age limit on it is is fine.

1264
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:04,640
And then making a kid wear a helmet

1265
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,559
who's under the age of 14, I'm perfectly

1266
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:09,520
okay with that, too. The other ones, I

1267
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,319
don't think we need. I mean, we got the

1268
00:52:12,319 --> 00:52:15,760
take your scooter away, you know, let

1269
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,319
Brian do his community thing. He knows

1270
00:52:18,319 --> 00:52:21,119
the community, too. He can handle that.

1271
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:23,040
But the the first two I'm completely

1272
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,280
okay with and putting, you know, we

1273
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:26,559
talked about that before, maybe putting

1274
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:28,960
an age limit on it, but we weren't sure

1275
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,280
if we could.

1276
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:32,559
But I don't think that I don't think

1277
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:34,079
that's an issue. And having making you

1278
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:36,559
wear a helmet, that's that's fine, too.

1279
00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:37,760
But the other ones, I don't think we

1280
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:45,829
necessarily need to add. So,

1281
00:52:45,839 --> 00:52:49,990
okay. Anything else?

1282
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:54,000
So I think the plan is um you know this

1283
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,800
was just just a discussion item.

1284
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,800
>> We will maybe put these together for a

1285
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,230
um

1286
00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:05,200
» potential amendment.

1287
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,160
Yeah.

1288
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,000
>> And u and then we will have some

1289
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,640
readings where we will be able to amend

1290
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,400
and decide.

1291
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:14,880
>> That sounds good.

1292
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,680
>> Uh the wording and what we want to do

1293
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,200
with that. But I wanted to put that out

1294
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,119
in front of you now so you could think

1295
00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:22,480
about that.

1296
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,000
>> You know, I don't know if we've offered

1297
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,160
any safety courses yet on any of this,

1298
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,000
but that's really the focus I'd like to

1299
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,079
see us move towards. Just

1300
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:33,440
>> talk to them about how important it is

1301
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,599
>> agree with just like hunter safety or

1302
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:39,119
any other thing that that is done in the

1303
00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:40,480
public sector anyway.

1304
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:41,680
>> And now would be the time when they're

1305
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,119
all in school and not riding their

1306
00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:47,440
scooters so when it does come time they know what the rules are. So,

1307
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:48,240
>> well, yeah,

1308
00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:50,319
>> you could even have a required safety

1309
00:53:50,319 --> 00:53:52,000
course at a certain age.

1310
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,520
>> I don't know.

1311
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,240
>> And and we've talked about that and um

1312
00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:58,559
and I think we'll probably

1313
00:53:58,559 --> 00:53:59,680
>> I'm sure there's other communities out

1314
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,040
there that do that that we can we don't

1315
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,119
have to reinvent the wheel. We can

1316
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:09,270
>> borrow from them and do one. So,

1317
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:10,960
» okay,

1318
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,960
let's move on. We've got a consent

1319
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,720
agenda.

1320
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:17,520
got a temporary transfer from the

1321
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,359
Hayward Golf Club to the Hayward

1322
00:54:19,359 --> 00:54:23,520
Community Center. Uh, two of those and

1323
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,400
ownership update for Casey's general

1324
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,800
store.

1325
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,480
Yep. So, uh, occasionally Casey's, uh,

1326
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,400
corporate Casey's, uh, changes, uh,

1327
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,240
ownership over who's over their, uh,

1328
00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:38,000
alcohol permits. It's not anything like

1329
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,880
local here. So, uh, we just pass through

1330
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,280
shows up in my, uh, system to approve

1331
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:44,720
for their ownership update, and I just

1332
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:48,710
throw it on here. So,

1333
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:51,520
» any questions?

1334
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,319
Have a motion. We got a motion and a

1335
00:54:54,319 --> 00:54:56,880
second. All those in favor of approving

1336
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,760
the consent agenda, please say I.

1337
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,200
>> Opposed? Passes four to zero. We are at

1338
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,240
the end of our agenda. Um, I would take

1339
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:07,839
a motion to adjurnn. So moved.

1340
00:55:07,839 --> 00:55:09,119
>> So moved.

1341
00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:10,880
>> First

1342
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,960
and and a second.

1343
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:14,160
>> I'll second.

1344
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:15,839
>> All those in favor of adjournment,

1345
00:55:15,839 --> 00:55:17,680
please say I.

1346
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,800
>> Opposed. Passes four to zero. Our next

1347
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,760
meeting is January 14th,

1348
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,870
2026.

1349
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:31,520
Thank you. Thank you. Way to go, John.

1350
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:32,000
>> Thanks, John.

1351
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,880
>> You're supposed to bring cake.

1352
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,040
>> There ain't no cake. That's above the

1353
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,079
$25 limit or whatever. Uh the gift or

1354
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:43,680
something. $5 limit.