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p.m we're gonna have the Pledge of
Allegiance from Miss commissioner Ruby
cohens are you going to do it okay well
Jen Houston is going to do it
right okay
everyone thank you I pledge allegiance
to the flag of the United States of
America and to the Republic for which it
stands one nation under God indivisible
with liberty and justice for
all thank you uh roll call please
chairperson Richard present Vice
chairperson cohens present commissioner
hon
present hey item D oral
Communications this is the time for the
public to address the Planning
Commission on the consent calendar or
any other matters that are not on the
public hearing portion of the agenda
after obtaining permission to proceed by
the presiding officer speaker should
first state their full name and address
for the record but it is not required
the speaker shall limit their address to
3 minutes any public comments that are
discriminatory defamatory or otherwise
not protected speech will not be
considered consented to or otherwise
adopted by the planning Commissions in
its deliberation and findings as a
courtesy to others please silence your
cell phones and other electronic devices
the Planning Commission strives to treat
all participants with Civility and we
ask that you do the
same I'm give you seconds I see a lot of
cell phones being silenced there um but
also today as we do have a lot of folks
here let's please remember we do need to
keep our remarks to three minutes there
will be a lot of remarks I'm sure so
with that being said if anyone would
like to address the Planning Commission
on items not on the consent or on the
consent calendar other matters please
form a line there at the
middle if you're here for the
subdivision that's a public hearing that
your opportunity will come up
later um so what's on the um consent
calendar are minutes of previous
meetings and a Time extension for a um
for a map that's all but but any other
any matters that are not on public
hearings is this is the time to
speak thank you for that
clarification
okay seeing no one I will close oral
Communications item
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read yeah but that's
mine
um sure sure
hello my name is Judith tro I reside at
4500 West 129 Street I've been a
longtime resident but I'm a little
confused about the meeting we were told
that this was a meeting on the Planning
Commission in regard
to uh the plan rezoning or whatever on
on alunda Boulevard yeah so that's what
uh gr Greg was just explaining there's a
number of things on the agenda what
we're looking at right now is the
consent calendar there will be a public
hearing open for that part that still be
during this meeting thank
you okay items on the consent calendar
are the Planning Commission meetings of
February 21st 2024 Planning Commission
minutes of April 17 2024 Planning
Commission minutes of May 15 2024 time
extension
request um
for the hotel project at 11444 AAA
Avenue take a
motion for it any motions I motion to
vote Mo to it's approve to approve I
mean I'm sorry yeah have a second okay
these are just for the minutes correct
and the and the time and the time
extension for the permit for the
hotel if there's anything on there that
you'd like to pull you just mention the
item so if it's four you just pull item
four well I was going to ask about the
the Acasia Hotel yeah if you just have a
question you can make the motion and
then that before we vote we can deal
with questions okay if you want to if
you want to discuss that discuss that
item separately then pull it from the
consent calendar I'll pull it okay so
we're just dealing with the three
minutes right okay so we have a motion
to approve I have motion to approve just
the minutes minutes approve second
second second okay sorry okay
commissioner hon uh yay Vice chairperson
cohens yes chairperson Richard yes okay
now now um you have the floor okay well
I just want to know if everything was
followed um well I just want to know on
the extension
itself there was a little confusion I
saw some emails um
I saw some emails basically and I saw
the extension but they never received a
rebuttal afterwards is this from the
from the law firm that you were seeing
the
emails no there the two the two people
emails that came in not from the law
firm they're in here no no no I saw
those emails as well correct I saw I saw
those emails but just to confirm
uh the extension
for that hotel it wasn't ever laps
correct oh you're talking about the
emails requesting the extension oh yeah
no it it didn't lapse they made the
request before it well it's lapsed now
but it would be retroactively reinstated
and because they made their application
before the Hotel lapsed that's
acceptable practice okay it doesn't
extend beyond one year from the date it
expired it's not one year from today
it's from when it expired so uh it's
just related to the difficulty of
getting all the paperwork and so forth
and the and the Commissioners all here
at the same time so okay that's what I
was thinking okay um basically that was
the only question now say that he
doesn't finish for instance we give him
the extension he doesn't finish at all
we have to do a new cup it is going to
be a c okay that was the clarification
that I need this was an approved cup and
if it if it lapses final for the final
time than a new CP would be required
okay and so this is considered the final
time then yes okay then I'm good now you
just clarify it for me okay so we need a
motion motion to approve second okay
Vice chairperson
cohens
yes um commissioner hon yes and
chairperson
Richard yes okay this uh this item was
continued or extended for the year
okay okay that concludes the consent
calendar there are no continued public
hearings so now now we're at the portion
of the new public hearings first item is
design review application Dr
20248 now is the time in place to open
the public hearing to consider design
review 20 Dr
2024 08 uh senior senior planner Maria
mahic will present the staff report good
evening Commissioners I do not have a
staff report as we are requesting a
continuance of this item to a later date
to make sure that all uh items are ready
to go for your review and
decision okay so I'll entertain a motion
to continue this item I second for
clarification is this continue to a date
uncertain we had requested July 17 2024
but right now we are requesting to adate
uncertain okay whenever we continue to
adate uncertain we'll Reen notice the
public okay okay great okay so we will
motion I'll entertain a motion to
continue this item to a date
uncertain a motion yeah second wait moot
oh my gosh I'm getting so ex yes say a
motion yes a motion okay cool second who
made the motion motion yes second
second
vote okay uh Vice chairperson cohens yes
commissioner hon yes and chairperson
Richard yes okay so this item is
continued all right okay next is design
review application dr22
24004 now is the time in place to open
the public hearing to consider design
review application Dr
20244 assistant planner anise Bermudez
will present the staff
report good evening Commissioners I'll
be presenting the design review
application for the holy Resurrection
Church in school located at 4955 West
119th
Street the church is located in a
residential Zone surrounded
predominantly by residential uses it's
located on the corner of 119th Street
and Felton Avenue and just across Felton
Avenue is another religious assembly use
the New Life Community
Church the parcel is rather large at
just over 28,000 square fet and
currently on the lot are two structures
one is the predom one is the main
Auditorium for the church and the other
is the school and classroom
area both are going to be remodeled and
slightly
expanded this is what the facade of the
structure currently looks like from
119th Street it's two stories a little
over 32 feet tall and as you can see
there's plenty of Street Frontage so
that gives great opportunity to improve
the Landscaping which we'll look at
later this is an alternative view of the
buildings from Felton Avenue you can see
the school on the left has the flat roof
and the church is on the right with the
gable
roof so this is the proposed site plan
some of the modifications are shown with
the yellow highlight with the orangey
yellow highlight um The Roof is going to
to be expanded to accommodate some
widened side aisles on either side of
the church this is not to increase the
number of seats in the auditorium but
just to accommodate um Ada accessibility
so there's an a nice path of travel to
get through there also shown is a new
tower and elevator that's going to serve
all both all both of the main floors of
the church as well as the third floor
roof deck um there is going to be a
third floor roof deck as well as a
second floor roof deck and on the third
floor floor is a new kitchen net and um
Ada
restroom so this is the proposed layout
for the first floor as I mentioned
earlier one of the changes is going to
be widening to the side aisles to allow
that increased accessibility the altar
in the front of the church is being
redesigned and reshaped um some of the
restrooms are going to be relocated to
the southwest corner of the church
there's going to be a new Sacrament
Bakery and Lounge area
when it comes to the school side some of
the um there's going to be a remodel of
the restroom and a little kitchenet
added for a little coffee area rather
added near the kitchenet which is
existing this is the proposed layout of
the second
floor um on the far west side there's a
new conference room and office space
adjacent to that is an existing
mezzanine area that is going to be
remodeled so that it opens out to the
outdoor deck toward the front of the
church is going to be another little
Lounge area or a small conference room I
can't quite tell from here but I it's
one of the two and then um on the school
side there's going to be um another
restroom
remodel so this gives us a closer look
at the roof decks that are being added
on the second floor it's about 1600 ft
and a staircase can take you up to the
third floor roof deck as well as an
elevator that serves that area the third
floor roof deck will be approximately
2600 Square ft and it'll be enclosed on
all sides by a 24in parapet wall and
above that a 42in tempered glass guard
rail so all in all about 5 and 1/2 ft of
protection on all sides there will also
be a new kitchenet and restroom up there
these are the North and South elevations
which give us a view of what the
exterior of the structure will look like
after the remodel as you can tell it's a
very traditional Church there's going to
be um ornate decorations and copper
domes as well as gold um crosses that
Adorn the
building there's a tower there too that
we'll analyze in a
moment these are altern elevations where
you can see other
angles also included in the scope of
work of this project is Landscaping so
mulch is going to be added to existing
plant areas to freshen up what's
existing and the designers have proposed
to add new varieties of trees and
shrubs these are the V varieties that
have been called out by the designer
there's going to be citrus tree
and different types of plants and um
bushes those vibrant colors such as the
orange and the purple and the blue are
going to provide nice pops of color to
really enhance the street Frontage of
this
project so this Tower is one of the key
design elements of this project it's
it's functional as it encloses the the
elevator um it's also a you know it's
also a design element so we have the the
cross at the top as well as a little
copper gold Dome that's up there
um the what looks to be like a little
glass window on that Tower is actually a
proposed electric message center so I'd
like to point out that that's going to
be reviewed separately by the design I
mean by the uh planning department
because we have to make sure that meets
um the zoning code and so we'll be
reviewing that
separately um the tower is proposed to
be a little over 72 ft tall so that is
significant but it's not unlike some
other Steeples that we have in the
church there in the city there's St
Joseph's Church as well as Trinity
Lutheran that both have tall Steeples so
it's it's seen elsewhere in the city as
well this is a closeup of the roof plan
much of which is going to be existing
the shingles are to remain um the roof
will be expanded to accommodate those
widened sides
aisles
um and the roof Dome is another design
element that stands out and it's going
to be about 16 feet tall and 25 feet in
diameter so it's it is significant and
um that's included in this in this um
slide and that brings us to the staff
recommendation which is that we
recommend for the Planning Commission to
adopt the resolution 202 2413 with
conditions of approval approving design
review application Dr
20244 okay thank
you does the Planning Commission have
any questions for
staff just to confirm that right now
with what we are voting on it is not the
electric sign that's going to come up at
a different point to see if it measures
this is just the structural plan that
was put forth correct the electronic
message center will be reviewed only by
the planning department as um signage
usually is thank you
yes no questions questions I had a
question just on the bathroom you
mentioned that there on the second floor
that there is a new ADA Bathroom being
added the third floor the third floor um
reason I asked a question is there a
first floor ADA Bathroom already
existing good question I don't have the
full set of plans in front of me but I
do know that that third floor there's
only going to be one bathroom up there
and it is Ada accessible as far as first
floor goes I would need to check the
plan set to confirm or perhaps the
designers can speak to that okay
gotcha um that's it for
me okay is the applicant present and do
they wish to
speak good evening Mr chairman and the
Comm Miss um my name is aim Bell the
project
architect um and my client is right here
father
seral on the issue about the Ada we do
have on each
Flor um
Ada restrooms perfect and they are all
accessible through the elevator awesome
okay I just wanted to make sure there
wasn't just only a ADA Bathroom on the
third floor each floor icluding the roof
the one on the Roof oh right okay uh
plan commission have any questions of
The Advocate n no questions okay thank
you for being here today appreciate
thank you very much
thanks Mr mlan are there any documents
to place in the administrative recret
there are none but uh this this is also
the opportunity if anyone in the public
wants to address the commission oh okay
I did miss that one is there anyone who
wishes to address the commission on this
issue okay see none there is no
documents do my fellow Commissioners
have any final comments on this item or
questions of
Staff no no further questions good okay
I'll for formally close the public
hearing on these items and do I have a
motion to approve motion to approve
second the second the secretary please
call for the
vote Vice chairperson Collins yes
commissioner hon yes and chairperson
Richard yes okay this application is
approved thank you aome okay next is
subdivision development application SD
20242 give me one second let me get
stuff moved around here
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sd2 all
right now is the time in place to open
the public hearing to consider
subdivision development application
sd224
00002 assistant planner Nathan Levy will
present the staff report good evening
commissioners um so we have before you a
proposal for a vesting tentative track
map uh this this uh tenative tract map
here revolves around the Hawthorne
Nursery site uh the owners are proposing
to develop it and in order to do that
they need to combine the 15 existing
Parcels into two one north of alunda
Boulevard and one
South um the primary issue here is that
vesting inative track map uh the
development and the permitting of the
actual housing is not part of this
project uh that is because the city
council has passed several ordinances
that Implement a housing overlay uh this
was part of the general plan uh this was
part of the housing element update that
only commissioner Richard was on on the
commission at that time uh but did go
through the Planning Commission uh the
the city council has stated that a
residential development is a
byright uh approval
on within the housing overlay uh
so when we look at the site we see that
it does have different zoning we've got
a mix of commercial and residential but
like I mentioned it's all within a
housing overlay so the housing overlay
was established uh was approved in
2022 uh this housing overlay is is where
the city council established that
byright
development So currently as I mentioned
there's 15 total parcels across both
sites uh it has a total of uh just over
three gross Acres um there are four
existing structures on the site uh
they're on the Northern section of the
site there's uh some homes that have not
been used in a very long time as well as
some other structures that the nursery
used um so here we have a snapshot of
the current conditions on the Northern
section um you can see that it's bounded
by gravilla and
Manor and we can see that there is
residential uh on the west and the North
and there is some uh institutional use
to the
east with the southern section we see
similar we see commercial or excuse me
we see residential uh on the the west
and the South partially on the East we
also have a church the church of the
nazarine uh this is just to give you an
idea this is the current assessor parcel
map from the Los Angeles County
assessors um the highlighted in red are
the sections that are north of ela
Boulevard so these are the
proposed Parcels to be combined into one
parcel with this
application um so if this does get
approved that's what the assessors
parcel map will eventually be updated to
reflect uh the the southern site is
going to be the same thing these Parcels
will all be combined into
one we do have a preliminary site plan
that we are showing here um please
remember that these site plans are
tentative they're subject to change uh
they do have to be reviewed by all
relevant City departments so we're
looking at the building and safety
department the planning department um as
well as public works and the MPD review
so they have to go through all of the
requirements in order to be issued any
permits for building or for grading for
anything
um so on the site we have both North and
Southern section northern and southern
sections presented here uh these are all
going to be ownership for ownership
units for sale at market value um they
are town homes so we're not looking at
apartments or
condos uh here is a little bit closer of
the northern section I did want to point
out this is what's being proposed for
Access so there's two access points uh
one on Manor Drive and one on elag gundo
um this is in order to accommodate fire
as well as trash uh so
it's required essentially in order for
it to be safe and
accessible uh they are currently
proposing 60 garage stalls for the
residents as well as an additional 12
open stalls on the Northern section
Alone um right now as far as we can tell
there if if it were to come under just
the objective design standards we would
require 45 roughly stalls so they're
well in except ESS of
that uh the southern site is similar uh
there's only one entrance on this um but
if you take a look you can see that it
does loop around and there are turning
points for fire and for trash um there's
a few more stalls on the southern
section than there are in the northern
uh there's 66 for residents there's
eight open for guests and residents uh
right now it looks as if there would be
51 required under the objective
standards um two important things to
note uh the primary one here is that
129th is completely closed off uh there
will be no vehicular access uh from
129th into the project there will be a
propos there is a proposed retaining
wall that will be put in place there uh
to limit any visual impacts that may
occur um at this time we do want to
recommend that the Planning Commission
adopt a notice of exemption MPC
resolution 20245 with the conditions uh
approving subdivision application 2024
002 thank you does the Planning
Commission have any questions for
staff I have a question so today we are
just voting on taking this from 15 Lots
down to two correct yes that is correct
when the build is going to take place
and permits are going to need to be
issued I'm assuming this is when we get
into the is there going to be turn lanes
are there going to be all of these types
of questions that get a little deeper
into the minutia than for this right now
or is this the time to ask this is the
only time this will this project will be
in front of the commission unless
there's an appeal of some sort that
requires it to come back um this this
building permits have already been
approved no no let me let me add that um
the applicant is already met with the
public works department to discuss turn
lanes and that sort of thing and they've
come to an agreement on how that will be
how that will be done so there will be
adjustments on elag Boulevard to
accommodate the properties okay and
those are those are reflected in in the
propos in the resolution before you um
we incorporated all of the requests from
the public works department in order to
ensure that I know I know I read it I'm
just asking so other people here can
hear it right I don't know if they read
the staff
report Ruby well yeah you go ahead well
now do you raise another question for me
so as you mentioned right now today
we're voting simply to combine these
Parcels but you're also stating that we
won't see this project again before it's
approved to go into build phase so is
there ever will there be a point where
there's a design review that no so so
this project is exempt from design
review and that's based on the housing
overlay section that was added by city
council um so the housing overlay is
specifically Exempted but it does have
to meet uh objective design standards so
along with that housing overlay Edition
there was another addition of an entire
chapter devoted to those objective
design standards uh so those standards
will apply to like the project we have
before us within the housing overlay and
also apply to the multitude of different
types of affordable housing applications
that that require objective design
standards got
okay I know this is going to seem
repetitive so just to be
clear we're only
voting to have the two partials correct
correct okay and you're also saying that
it's administerial
then the rest of it since because of
Raina and the house in element Am I am I
reading you correct on that
ministerial meaning that the decision
has no opportunity for discretion
whatsoever it's simply a matter of does
it meet the codes this is um this is the
outcome of the state laws and the need
to accommodate our um Regional Housing
needs um assessment that was part of the
housing element in order to hit the
numbers that the state requires we had
to designate certain properties
properties around the city that were
likely to be developed and were
appropriate for
residential into these um housing
overlay and the housing overlay sets a
standard that is 30 units to the acre
this is under that I believe slightly um
but the housing overlay does not specify
that it has to be Town Homes ownership
it could be apartments and it doesn't
say that it has to be affordable these
are not affordable these are market rate
units if it were affordable we would
have even less control control over the
situation there would be no control on
density no control on height no control
on anything so I think that the question
before you in addition to just making it
two Parcels is you're Paving the way for
this only to be a ownership
project now any of
these Town Homes being
developed are they going into the
numbers yeah all all housing that's
built will count in some fashion these
are not accounting is Affordable these
are market rate there is a category for
market rate and since we're still very
early in our excuse me in our housing
cycle these will count after we achieve
our goal in the market rate any any
additional market rate housing just is
not going to count but we wouldn't stop
it from being
developed but this one these will all
count absolutely so they will count but
they won't be affordable right these
your market rate none of them not we
haven't asked for any to be
okay are we able to put conditions
though at all what well it depends what
sort of conditions you're you're looking
any conditions that you make have to
have an access to the application the
application is 15 to2 Lots so if you can
find a way to make that connection to
the 15 to2 lot problem you can have a
condition anything else is not going to
be permitted I'm just actually my
concern is always about parking
yeah and is there a way of just making
sure that there's some type of parking
agreement within this development some
type of parking agreement no because
that you can't make the Nexus that that
has anything to do with the number of
Lots now the applicant has taken it upon
themselves to provide Surplus parking
considerable amount of surplus parking
and every unit has assigned parking in a
garage in addition to guest parking on
the outside so um they've kind of taken
the the issue off the table to some
extent I I did see that yeah and I did
appreciate all that because I saw the
tandem parking I saw the two two-car
garage I saw the Surplus which is
wonderful but I just want to get a
clarification did you just say that it
could be
changed so these these plans are
preliminary yes um you know that that is
the nature of this sort of development
is that these are preliminary and these
were added essentially to assure the
commi the Commissioners as well as the
public that's here today of what exactly
the developers are trying to do here um
you know this this was viewed largely as
a very good project compared to other
ideas that were that were seen and that
were proposed um especially as far as
density of of dwelling units goes um
yes it may change that that's always
that's a possibility in this situation
um again though you come to the issue of
trying to connect any requirements for
parking with the actual project in front
of us of the the merge but when you say
change that means that although you say
that there's going to be two car garages
two tandem parking so forth or spaces
are
those can the
developer come back and say no parking
outside I'll just get the 35 guest
parking outside and that's it they have
to meet the objective design standards
which do address parking okay okay so so
all that it may change but no matter
what in order to have a building permit
issued to them to start construction to
get a certificate of occupancy they have
to meet the objective design standards
and what about the vegetation itself
that's part of the objective design
standards it's
Incorporated is there anything stady
maybe like every 10 parking spaces we
can at least have a tree or something or
something tied down to just to make sure
that we have something there there I I I
apologize I don't remember what the
design standard for trees and parking
lots is but um they are codified into
the municipal code and the question is
does it meet the code requirements or
not and that's the decision we'll make
when we get the
application and again there's not a
clear access to the map at this
point okay no more questions for
me any questions for you
J
okay is the applicant present and do
they wish to
speak you
good evening chair Richard members of
the commission my name is Chad Brown um
I'm vice president planning and
development for a private home builder
company named Malia
holes
um where's
myON
thanks let's roll please
so Malia holes is as I said is a private
home builder um we have developed homes
in southern LA County Orange County
Northern San Diego County um we are a
for sale Builder we're not an apartment
Construction Company um so everything
that we do is a product that is for sale
to Future homeowners and um I've been uh
working as an infill uh builder for 13
years from aah homes prior to that I
work for the City of Laguna Nigel and
the County of Orange in the planning
departments um so I'm very familiar with
infill and compatibility and some of the
challenges that come along with infill
developments um and the project that we
have before us tonight is is is
something that is a result of um the
housing overlay and the state housing
element and uh city of city of
Hawthorne's General plan uh housing
element updates so forth that have come
on but again we're looking at it from a
standpoint for Quality development and
quality from a quality Builder um the
slide in front of you are two recent
projects that Malia Holmes has
constructed one is in the city of
Gardina uh the top two photos are those
of the city of Gardina or Moneta Point
project that was 84 homes um on an old
ironically enough a nursery site uh that
existed in Gardina um the bottom the
bottom two photos before you are uh what
the city of Anaheim again three-story
row Town Homes home ownership um you see
uh kind of the front entry the Poo as
well as the landscape and the right
photo is that of something similar to
what to what we're proposing here for
Recreation Area some shelter some play
space and some outdoor tables and a
barbecue uh tabletop um for the
residents on each site to be able to
enjoy there's one proposed on both of
those and I'll I'll get into that a
little bit further
as we talked about uh and and staff
presented this is the hawthor nursery
site uh just a Stones Throw here from
City Hall and is it it is um one of the
many sites throughout the city that have
been selected with the housing overlay
um that has D carries a density range of
20 to 30 units per acre um so this site
could potentially have up to 94 units on
it combined it's about 3 .4 3.3 Acres um
we're proposing a total of 68 homes on
these um again it's because the homes
when they are for sale they need to be
marketable they need to be attractive
and they need to be have a want for
people to come and invest their their
their monies and their future with them
and we recognize that and we therefore
they range in size I'll cover that a
little bit further but they range in
size of something from one two three and
four bedroom homes um two car garages
two car garages with Tandem and single
car garages but every home has a has an
attached garage with it with direct
access into the house into their
personal house um the nursery site was
selected um by the city as a part of it
and we uh were contacted um they reached
out various Brokers reached out to Malia
homes see if we're interested in it um
and uh we put some information and uh
obviously a plan together uh make sure
it works economically that it chased the
level of of uh of quality um and uh and
we're we decided to move forward with
it um again this is a result of the uh
General plan it's a result of the
housing overlay and it's a result of the
state as uh as Mr mlan has mentioned um
but it also follows the adopted mixed
use and multif family govern guidelines
the objective guidelines that the city
has adopted to make sure it has ample
parking to make sure that is set back
proper distances to make sure that it's
designed properly um we have uh we have
included all of that with
it
so as been as has been indicated U the
what's before you tonight is the
subdivision of this property the
subdivision is required in order for the
project to be for sale um we have to go
go through the department of real estate
State of California process condo maps
and they need to be related to a map
process if if we were to build rental
units or build apartments or proposed to
build apartments on this property we
wouldn't be here tonight the fact that
this is for sale and we're asking for
the subdivision map to be approved is
that this is a for sale project and not
something that is for
rent the site itself as I said is a
little over three acres and could
potentially have up to 94 units on it
based upon the housing overlay density
allowances the map is providing for
easement dedications to increase the
parkway widths around all perimeter of
the site meaning the sidewalks will be
improved with a six- foot sidewalk and a
4-ft landscape planter outside of the
perimeter walls um with the exception of
129th Street where that street and
Parkway are currently fairly narrow and
the current Parkway is 7 ft That
Sidewalk will be improved to a full
width 7 foot sidewalk with planter Wells
for trees to be planted every 50 feet on
Center um up at the elevation of 129th
Street along what would be the southerly
boundary of this of this project
and again as staff has pointed out
although not subject of the
discretionary action before you tonight
um I thought that it would be a good
idea to present to the Planning
Commission a little bit greater detail
of the project that we are proposing
with the pro with the subdivision map
and what it would look like how it will
live and some of the amenities and the
thought that has gone behind it um I
would like to add that I'm a little bit
surprised by the turnout of the
residents that are behind
me back when we initially started
looking at this property in January
February earlier this year um part of
our due diligence research is I send out
letters to all property owners that are
directly and this may be a little bit of
the confusion side the property owners
that are directly adjacent to or
directly across from the project area to
solicit input to solicit comments to
provide for them some basic information
about what we are proposing to do um and
that all goes in line with me talking
with the city staff and and and
understanding what the regulations are
but I reached out and I'll go into this
in Greater detail if we want to discuss
about the Outreach that was done on this
but it started in February um I had uh
multiple calls and discussions with many
neighbors mostly generated from manner
Drive uh directly to the west of the
site of lot one of the proposed
subdivision um lot two I only heard from
one resident um on the north side of 129
or the South side of 129th Street above
the site um so I'm I'm surprised by I I
been shared with some of the emails and
information and so forth uh regarding
some of the concern
and I hope that this will help alleviate
some of those concerns with the uh with
me showing you the plans as they go
through so what you're looking at is a
conceptual landscape plan uh for the
project um it has interior PES as you
can see uh many places between buildings
it's a little bit small but tucked away
on the right side of your screen um the
bottom right hand corner is an area
dedicated to an outdoor Turf play area
for small children that's where the uh
at trellis uh shade structure would be
provided with some outdoor barbecue
areas and some tables um bike racks and
so forth as well um the South site has
much of the same it's more of a central
location on the south site right in the
center of the project is where you see
the turf green um there's sitting
benches there's landscaping and again
it's a shade structure with a barbecue
outdoor dining area for future residents
one of the things I want to point to as
a result of my meetings with the
homeowners on Manor Drive is I'm going
to back up for a second because you're
going to see an arrow pop up on the
North on the west Edge on the west Edge
the landscaping that's being placed or
proposed along this Edge is proposed to
be well it is on this plan is an
evergreen type of tree more of a
vertical type of tree um that would Pro
and we've spaced them much tighter
together than other places around the
site and that again is for the Privacy
uh and protection of privacy to the
existing homeowners along Manor Drive
and that occurs both on the west Edge
where the arrow is shown as well as here
on the North edge of it um where we've
taken that that proposed landscape and
condensed it down so it creates a uh a
much nicer a denser screen so to speak
for uh for privacy the homes that are
proposed are three story in height um
they're about 38 ft total height to the
pitched roof it's not a flat roof um but
they are uh three-story in height so
there would be bedrooms up on the third
level there are no outdoor decks there
are no outdoor roof decks on the third
level nor the roof but there are decks
um from the primary living area off the
living room at the second story so these
trees um while they'll go in rather
young um we would be willing to put them
in at A Min at a at a 12ft minimum
height upon installation um that's
something I discussed with the neighbors
in my meetings with them uh earlier or I
guess early last
month the site plans for each of the
sites uh staff showed you a portion of
these um this is the layout the
circulation that's proposed um I wanted
to highlight there's 35 units on on the
uh South site and there's with parking
the total of I'm sorry 38 units on the
south site with total of 74 parking
stalls there's 35 units on the North
portion of the site with uh with the
resulting 72 parking stalls and again
this is each home has an enclosed
two-car garage the one-bedroom unit has
a onecar enclosed garage but there are
also as noted in the staff report or on
the plans um open parking stalls
dedicated to guest parking and so forth
and I want to get to your question and
and respond to that later on about
parking and ccnr as and homeowners
association and so forth
um there are four different floor plans
and those four floor plans that are
proposed are configured in si six
different buildings so it's not a
repetitive uh building over and over and
over again there is some unique uh
characteristics to each of the buildings
with articulation and design for each of
them um both of these Lots uh
individually and collectively exceed the
minimum number of parking spaces that
are required by your code um within the
city and the floor plans range anywhere
between 986 Square ft up to,
19922 square feet for the four-bedroom
unit elevation wise uh I'm showing you a
a proposed material and uh color board
um illustrating the proposed building
types this is shown building type
a um that uh with the colors that are
intended to be cohesive create breakup
of mass um and complimentary color
palette um with trim contrasts uh to add
depth and so forth to the
design the next this slide and the next
one are this is a building type c um
it's all cohesive they're not
individually unique but they are all
different um types A through F of the
buildings they just have different unit
uh configurations uh making them each
building labeled as they
are and this is building type
f the next slide is showing you
basically a street scene from elsag
gundo Boulevard um the top photo is that
looking West the bottom photo is that
looking East and we've had uh our
architect provide some perspectives of
what that may look like in the future if
the project uh ultimately goes forward
as it's currently designed
and this is elsag gundo Boulevard
looking towards the West so gravelia
Street if I pronounce that properly and
I hope so um is there shown on the right
side uh that's the intersection of
gravelia and elsag gundo Boulevard and
uh the fire station would be directly to
the right side of the photo perspective
location this is the proposed project
looking East um along elaga Boulevard
the street to the left is uh that of
Manor drive on the left hand
side different per different perspective
this is the gravelia street Frontage and
I always try to screen back landscaping
or have the architect screen back
Landscaping in this so that I'm not
hiding the building um it's not
something that if you if I can show all
the greencape and so forth and you won't
see what's behind
it same thing for this is at the Manor
or looking towards The Manor
intersection uh from uh from elun to
Boulevard again uh I thank you for your
time I do ask for your approval of this
project tonight um of the vest intended
of track map it has the result of a
landing in a for sale project as opposed
to Apartments if we were to go away
there's a potentially other buyers that
would come in that would look to do
Apartments here and they have the
ability to do that by right um we're
we're wanting to and asking for your
approval to move forward with the
subdivision map so that we can develop
and invest into the City and create
pride of ownership in the city like many
of these homeowners here have me and
their concerns is a result of them
having pride in where they live and
having invested economic interest in it
um we are trying to create more
opportunity for more residents of hathor
to have that same ownership
capabilities um we have read the
condition of approval and I'm uh and we
are accepting of them and again I ask
for your affirmative approval tonight
thank you you thank you go ahead just G
to claric yeah questions of a go go for
I just want to you said four you I'm not
sure if this was an accident or not or a
mistake you said four bedrooms I thought
it was only up to three bedrooms no
there's a there's a four bedom unit
there four bom there's one two three and
four bedroom units it's lower in there's
less of the four bedrooms but yes there
is a four-bedroom unit the 1922 foot is
a four-bedroom unit yes okay I was
unaware of that go ahead got
umle questions just um as we've
mentioned as far as these projects go
you have these uh these drawings that
you presented to us here today um in
your past projects have you seen much
variation between what you present
versus what ends up being
constructed the answer to that is no
because as what we what we do is we've
based all of our research all of our due
diligence and all of our designs based
upon work that gets us to this point
today for us to go back and change would
be a a drastic move um and something
that we quite frankly don't want to do
we want to build the project that we've
designed and and are wanting to stand
behind and put before you tonight got
you apprciate
it um from breaking ground till end of
project is it going in phases like how
long do you think total it would be
under construction so the phasing of the
project is somewhat tough to tough to
describe because it is Market dependent
um but essentially from the time we bake
break ground to the time that we might
start the first vertical construction of
model homes that would be viewed for
sales is probably six months of ground
grading infrastructure Improvement sewer
water storm drain um and things of that
nature and then we would start the
vertical construction for the model
homes um and each home each home phase
takes approximately four to seven months
to
complete and if sales go well we would
overlap in some areas uh so that time
frame could be
condensed but from initial construction
beginning to buildout would be probably
approximately two years the number of
phases that we have placed in this is a
model home phase phase which is on the
south site and four construction phases
thank
you sorry I did have a couple one more
questions where I know you mentioned you
were going to go into a bit more detail
about the notification of the residents
yeah so um I notic you mentioned you
said you started doing reach out to the
residents in about February so I was
just wondering when you when did you
meet with this city that you got the
idea that hey this was something we're
going to move forward with I want to
know the diff like how long it was
between you spoke with the city and said
hey this is something we're going to
move forward with before you actually
reached out to the first set of
residents oh we reached we reached out
to the residents prior to um prior to
any formal application being submitted
with the city okay and and if I can show
you
me so in in January and basically I
think it was like January 20th 27th or
so is it for this year or is it yes this
year okay I just 2024 okay um is what
you're seeing on your screen I know you
can't read it but I've seen them many of
them have them in their hands tonight um
is a letter introduction letter of Malia
Holmes introducing us our project and a
basic layout much and much hasn't
changed from January where we initially
started a due diligence in a layout it's
gotten more detailed if anything um but
so the initial letter had a description
of the project the number of homes that
were being proposed that would they were
for sale please reach out and contact me
if you have any comments or concerns um
the mailing list that I went out to
is the sites are shown in yellow um all
the properties where you see the little
red dots were the property owners were
my letter went to it doesn't have
anything to do with the 300 foot radius
mailing list that is uh required by law
for public notice and public
hearings so as a result of my letter I
received phone calls from approximately
seven to eight people um only one person
on 129th his name was Richard Dragon is
is what I took down um and I believe he
lived almost directly Center behind it
on 129th um most of the residents that I
heard from were those located on Manor
Drive and so in uh what you see that's
highlighted yellow I'm giving you raw
data right this is right off my computer
um so I had a meeting we scheduled a
meeting and uh met with the uh residents
and the they organized their meeting for
me were kind enough to invite me into
their house um Mr oros baked cookies and
goods and we we spent about two hours
together um reviewing the proposed plans
um I know that they had some concerns
I've I hope that I've Al alleviated
those with parking and with the
landscape proposals to protect their
views um but what you see highlighted in
yellow are those that had sent this
letter to that were also in attendance
at that meeting okay on June 11th oh got
gotcha
okay I can provide to you in the future
uh this is the this is a
chronological uh basically synopsis of
all the contact that I had um that's
there on the left and the comment uh the
the June 11th 2024 on the right hand
side is basically a summary of the
takeaway from that meeting that we had
in June and then there's the sign-in
sheet that's shown at the very bottom
where the where the neighbors were uh in
case we wanted to contact each other and
so forth and I did I sent out a thank
you letter following that um then it
gets into other stuff in case other
questions but I have I wanted to have
this for reference appreciate it as well
thank you um commissioner Cohen you also
had a question that you'd mentioned
about the parking the garages if there
if it's well if we could encourage some
type of parking agreement you also
mentioned it was going to be an HOA yes
is there going to be a well let's start
with the parking agreement um would you
be up for that to have a parking
agreement within that Association just
to make sure there's no conflict
between uh homeowners and so forth
because it can be a problem later is
what we have as a standard and I would
accept as would accept as a condition is
that the cc&rs
that would be created for this project
every homeowners association is
basically bound and operated by Covenant
conditions and restrictions
cc&rs and that's part of the Dr process
of of creating town homes and selling
them um individually the ccrs our
standard ccnr that's why I wanted to
bring it up our standard ccrs have
requirements in them that stipulates
that garages if it's a two-car garage
they're required Park two cars in it
that can't be blocked for storage or
other things if it's a onecar garage
that one car space needs to be provided
for a vehicle inside of it not not for
boxes and storage and everything else so
I mean it is a standard and I'm I'm
happy to if you I stipulate that uh that
our cc&rs will require that garages be
used for parking of vehicles and not for
storage okay well my concern actually
really is besides the spaces in side the
garage I'm really concerned about the
outside parking because it's always a
problem um if there can be in your ccnr
not the bylaws not into the rules either
because rules can always be changed but
I'm actually talking about the actual
ccnr itself if you can maybe put some
I'm so sorry oh my God after we told
everybody um
it was actually on silent I don't know
what
happened
um so anyways if it can be in the cc&rs
it'll be greatly appreciated something
to the fact of the parking spaces that
are outside they could maybe get maybe a
2 point what is what's the calculation
is it 1.75 or something like that the
calculation for parking spaces something
basically saying every homeowner can get
two
well it's going to be kind of difficult
here because you said that some of the
homes only have
one car garage correct the one-bedroom
units have a one car garage correct
okay if it can stipulate something to
the fact of
2 s or something like that or 2.3
parking
spaces belongs to each home
owner and
13 or whatever to also the one and the
reason why I'm saying that is because if
there is an
overflow every resident can actually get
a parking space outside and I'm actually
using points and I know it's like why
don't you just round it up I get that
but it's better if you just do a point
where everybody or every resident has a
right to park outside
they do an extra parking space if they
need it after using the two-part garage
I'm just kind of recommending
that if that makes any sense that's well
that's the purpose of the open parking
stalls that are provided on each of the
sites as it is okay well because I it's
exceeding it's exceeding the city's
standard requirements of parking by
providing the open parking spaces
outside of the garage correct I know
that I I I do understand that but I'm
just saying it'll just help at viate
resident against resident and then them
putting rules out and then it's going to
create chaos within the community for
parking trust me I know that for a fact
uh when it goes with HOAs if that makes
any sense am I making sense here yes but
I think you're you're deviating pretty
far from a subdivision map well I know I
was just asking if he I'm just giving a
recommendation an encouragement you
don't have to do that but it just
alleviates a lot of problems all of the
ccnr that are adopted throughout the
city are reviewed by the city um
attorney's office and we always make
sure that you know the parking is
addressed in there and that in this case
they have Surplus parking per def code
definition so the issues that you're
raising may not even be happening here
other very rare that anybody builds a
development with Surplus parking and I
think in those other examples that
you're familiar with the reason there's
disputes between the residents is
because there's not as much parking as
this one has can I can I ask you a
question yeah this is this development
sounds very similar to me like 360 and
fusion that are in Hawthorne could you
tell me the comparisons to this project
versus those of of kind of what just so
we can get an idea because I I live
basically on either side of those yeah
um I'm not as familiar with Fusion 360
was developed with a mix of uh apartment
flats that are condos but they they like
you know multiple floors and each unit
has is just on one floor and town homes
this one is all town homes so they're a
little bit different in that regard um I
cannot speak to the parking at this time
because I would have to go back and
review the old but I I don't recall them
providing excess parking for for those
projects I think they were built to code
okay thank
you okay were there any other questions
of the applicant
oh no yeah no none from the not for the
Commissioners well on the there's
there's only gonna be one entrance on
that other side correct you said there's
only going to be one entrance to the
South side which is lot two of the map
yes there's there's a single entrance
off of uh elsag Gunda
Boulevard and that was by
Design okay well one I just I mean I
know we haven't made a decision yet but
I do thank
you um for
actually it seems like this project was
really thought out instead of you
building 94 homes you actually
considered to do 60 something eight
uh 68 homes correct which is
appreciated
um and it's also for sale not for rent
which is also a
plus
um I would hold all your thank yous
because we got a lot of well no no no no
I'm just saying that there are some pros
here that he could have had it I
understand Apartments so basically you
know we want to put people also in homes
as well that's something that we want to
also encourage I understand I'm just
saying we still have the public that's
going to make their comments before you
yeah okay but
um that is it for
me thank you very much okay so is there
anyone else who wishes to address the
commission on this issue this would be
everyone's time yeah please make a line
in the
midle hello uh my name is Fred ovadia I
own the property on
4555 West 29th Street which is on the
boundary of uh one of the uh the
southern part of of of the lot that's
going to be from uh 15 lots to
two um so I I have some concerns one I
never received a letter that said by uh
uh millia homes so I never received that
letter and I'm on the boundary uh I
don't live at the property I rent that
property out so maybe that's why I
didn't get the L okay um I'm concerned
since I'm at the boundary of the
height uh so I mean he's he's doing
uh three stories high so that's going to
block uh Sunshine that's coming in from
the
East um that's another concern and then
the traffic you know I didn't see any
traffic light on elsag gundo Boulevard
that's a very you know uh heavy used uh
Boulevard there's a lot of traffic
that's going on and if people wants to
make for example a turn
uh from like a left turn going into the
South Side that's uh that's you know
it's very dangerous so that's another
thing
um and
then the parking space okay you know
let's consider a holiday okay or a
weekend people coming in and visiting uh
families in that uh
neighborhood there is not going to be
enough paring spaces for
them
so um those are the three areas that I
have concerns
on and it would have been very nice you
know I mean he he said only one person
on the southern side of the lot uh
basically you know called him well maybe
because you know I didn't get the letter
and I'm sure other people didn't get the
letter as
well thank you before
U what was your name one more time red
ovadia oov V A A gotcha thank you we we
have your email thank you Fred thank you
we thank you so much appreciate
it I have three minutes thank you hello
my name is isala I live at 4490 West 129
Street my first issue is this letter
that we got we literally got it last
Monday and it's postmarked for the 22nd
and on here it says any comments had to
be submitted on June 5th of
2023 even if it was June 5th of 2024
this thing is postmarked on the 22nd to
be here on on this date right so that
that's my issue I mean you you want me
to trust a public study that's done when
this doesn't even have the right correct
dates on it it's kind of unacceptable
the second thing is they want to widen
the the street or the sidewalk on 129th
if you've ever been on 129th that's a
very narrow Street I've already lost two
side mirrors on my truck because of
people using 129th when traffic is
really bad on elaga Boulevard everybody
use our street and I'm telling you
they're going 60 70 miles an hour and
I'm not joking you can ask some of my
neighbors that's how fast people are
going so by narrowing the street I don't
even let my kids play in my front yard
because it's so dangerous I have to back
into my driveway because I don't want to
pull out because I've already gotone in
one accident also a construction site of
this size it's going to be ridiculous on
the amount of traffic on Elo Boulevard
they're going to be using our street and
trust me I'm a reasonable person I
bought my house 13 years ago I used to
be able to look out my uh kitchen window
and see the mountains now all I see is
the neon lights of a Courtyard Marriott
which I'm okay with right that it we
need uh more buildings in this city but
I've tried calling somebody to talk to
this about this letter and I never got a
call back I left a message
so I just think a project of this size
in a residential area such as ours
street it's just going to be a nightmare
it's going to be a nightmare for two
years for us with noise of construction
everything that's going on with traffic
it's going to be a mess and I know
there's a parking lot at the end of our
block but if you've ever been to that
parking lot my kids call it Zombie Land
because of all the transients and
everybody that's walking around that
parking lot's not safe at all there's an
abandoned building at the end of our
property or at the end of our block
where like the police department has had
to go in there and clear out transients
I think last week there was a transient
that died in that building so with you
bringing that many more people into our
our neighborhood it's going to be a
nightmare they're saying there going to
be four bedroom apartments or condos
there with a two g a twocc car garage
where are those other two cars going to
be if it's four adults living in that
building they're going to have to park
in our neighborhood we already have a
shortage of parking so that parking is
going to be a major issue cuz they're
not going to be able to park on elsaa
Boulevard because that's a huge thare
right they're going to have to go into
our neighborhood so I just want you to
realize that that a building of this
size is going to be just destroy our
neighborhood okay I'm sorry what was
your name ISM Tava is Tava t a v r a do
you mind can I do you mind handing me
that you can have this copy I took I
appreciate
it
this yeah sure Maria can you use yeah
Maria can you grab it
I did
was you thank
you one second hi um my name is
Elizabeth Wilson I live at
4590 West 129th Street so um M on this
map mine is the very last property um to
the left on the south side and um my
neighbor came as well um I am not as
diligent about knowing what's going on
in the neighborhood but my other
neighbors are and so I decided to come
and I made notes I'm excited that it's
going to be a for sale property um the
two years of construction is going to be
tough I think everybody's complained
about the parking um my concern is
something that had been said about
something happening on 129th Street my
understanding was there was going to be
a a barrier wall um built on the
backside of the Southside parking and
then you mentioned something about the
street being or the sidewalk so that's
on the inside is that
correct
sorry is it on the inside because I'm
confused because the street on that
portion is high is elevated on 129
clarify all of that at the end of the
hearing okay sorry um so was that was my
primary question is that I was very conf
Fus between what I understood from
planning and what was said about what's
happening on the 129 side thank you
thank
you okay hello I'm Judy Trill I reside
at 4500 West 129 Street I've been a
resident for about 33 years and I'm very
concerned about the notification that
was sent out to the public at least to
the residents that were near I received
from from my neighbor who resides right
next door to the nursery information
about The Melia home project um just
about two weeks ago um only because we
were talking and sharing information but
I reside right across directly across
the street from her on 129th and I never
received any information regarding this
project at all so I understand that they
want to do the proximity close to the
area but this impacts all of the
Neighbors on 129
street so I'm concerned about that and
then I had a couple other things um
incorrect information as was stated by
um the resident at
4490 um was sent to the
residents with a date I did call and I I
commented about it to um that the phone
number that was listed and I was really
disappointed that we have a June 5th
when we didn't receive the information
until after the the 25 the
21st of this month or I mean of last
month for this
um that's a problem that's incomplete
information and I was I did a couple
days later receive a corrected copy but
this actually doesn't give us much time
to review any of the reports or anything
that we can do especially when we don't
know what is going on in our
neighborhood I never received any
information with regard to this um and I
hate well the other thing was was I kind
of took a look at some of the
information and I'm not real clear about
all of it but when it talks about that
the study was done from
2021 or we have a time period of 20 21
to 2029 I'm assuming those are the years
and that's a 9-year period 8year period
that we have to take a look at and
traffic already on ala Gunda Boulevard
if I any of you travel it during uh from
after 3:00 or after the high school gets
out traffic is absolutely horrible so
129 Street going to um going east to Haw
Boulevard traffic is
horrendous I mean it's crazy and as the
neighbor had stated um they drive really
fast and so you can't I mean my son has
has left um but anyway um it just gets
to be a real problem and it needs to be
considered and not notifying everybody
makes it a problem sorry we do have to
keep everyone at 3 minutes apprciate I
sorry thank you before and just before
the next person start I wasn't looking
behind me is the the counter the timer
are you running the timer I'm running
the okay then I can I'm sorry for every
I keep looking down at my phone CU I
think I'm doing the timer myself never
mind okay strch your timer try to talk
as fast as I can my name is hii Dick
obashi uh I used to have a b uh Crystal
Palace Bard it's opposite of kakatu in I
have a house on man in the middle of
Manor Drive on the hillside on on the
west side of the street uh I'm very
opposed to this project because Manor
Drive is is very narrow all the traffic
uh I don't see exact explicitly where
the where this uh driveway is looks like
it's on the corners I don't I'm afraid
that it's not big enough there are cars
parked on both sides of the Manor
Drive uh I just don't see the
feasibility of this place at all as
currently
configured I'm especially worried about
Manor Drive in my house and the traffic
coming in and out of this place the
2-year construction site bothers me also
I live in Gardina uh we almost
successfully nixed the the the Cocoon
House now they got a seven story
building going up and we've got the
whole our whole neighborhood is dead
against
that um there's just too much traffic
there's just too many buildings it's uh
uh it's not feasible at all in my
opinion and I would be against
it thank you very much thank thank
you hi my name is David Lind I'm a
resident at one uh 29th Street 45530
129th Street um I just wanted to share
some of my concerns um so first of all
uh just to Echo what was said before
that uh this mailing was confusing it
created a deadline of
2023 uh along along with that I just
wanted to ask the committee like is this
actually the last time to submit public
comments did I did I hear that
correctly we'll address at the end of
sorry okay um so um what I would say is
that like I would if it's possible if
this is not the last time to submit
public comments I would like for this
request that
this that that we're able to submit
written comments
going forward uh you know to basically
extend the deadline for written comments
given that this mailing was confusing um
uh I'd also like to say that uh it
sounds like that there was some Outreach
um from Mia homes but we did not receive
uh the mailing uh and in any event um
one one representative one person from
129th giving feedback is probably not
sufficient um for the developer to you
know I just don't think that's enough of
a sample size
um I'd like to also say that uh you know
I want to Echo some of the concerns
about traffic um and the safety of 129th
Street um people do speed regularly they
use it as a substitute East West uh
conduit in place of elsag gundo I can
only imagine that if elano is more has
more traffic that there'll be more true
in the future um you should consider
adding speed bumps um the intersection
of elag gundo I'm sorry 129th Ramona
Avenue is particularly dangerous because
of a lack of sight line
and there's also only a two-way stop you
should consider putting in a four-way
stop at that intersection and putting
additional speed bumps on the Ramona
Avenue um uh I have some additional
notes here um just question about the
extended construction phase um Can the
city assure existing residents that
portions of the current parking area
along 129th Street won't be disrupted
for an extended period of time uh if
it's expected that that's going to be
the case what Provisions will the city
or the developer do you know provide so
that we are not parking blocks away
parking is already an issue safety is
already an issue I should also point out
that that street that sidewalk is used
by dozens of high school students and
you know people use that to actually
walk so there are definitely safety
considerations uh and lastly I want to
Echo the concerns about um overflow from
this uh development like we have
difficulty parking already um I'd like
to know if there's going to be permit
parking or something like that
considered um so
that's all I got thank you thank
you is
on hi I'm Kim Lind you just met my
husband um so one second so I can
reset okay I'm good you go okay Kim Lind
you just spent my husband we're at 4530
West 129th we are right across the
street from this project and I'm sorry
that I'm redundant I sit on a dis often
and I know how boring it can get when
you hear the same thing over and over
again but I also know that sometimes
hearing it over and over again actually
makes an impact so um parking is an
issue on 129th already with only um 60
spots for 68 units while that may be
better than code I can tell you right
now we don't have 2.3 spots per resident
on 129th right now I would love that um
I often uh get home late from work and
have to park BL walks away so when
holidays happen when people have guests
over where do you think that parking's
going it's going on 129th where there's
already a pretty significant parking
issue and that lot at the end doesn't
allow for overnight parking so I'm just
something will have to be done with this
development going in to um take care of
the current residents who've chosen to
live here we've been living here for 14
years so we would just ask that you
would take care of us as well as your
new residents um permit parking
certainly would be an answer on 129th um
certainly narrowing the street is a
concern when I go to my car in the
morning people come screaming through at
50 40 50 miles per hour and if you if
there's no stoplight coming out of that
um that new uh development what they're
going to do is they're going to turn
right on Elsa gundo turn right on
Hawthorne turn right on 129th and just
join the rest of the barrage of cars
that we get in the morning um I too have
had Dam done to my car I think everybody
who lives on that street who's had to
park on the street has so I would just
say like traffic I don't know if there's
been a traffic study done I would
certainly appreciate knowing where that
is because it certainly should I'm
guessing it did because I think it's
required um I also would like to know
where the SQL study is and the
environmental study was done um I would
like to know where those are posted so
that we can make sure that we as
residents can take a look at that
because you are replacing green space
with Hardscape um and and and I I just
want to be aware of what the impact of
that is
um uh let's see Landscaping so I know
there's a retaining wall going up on
129th Street I would also just ask that
you consider Landscaping in that area so
we're not looking at an ugly wall um
from our uh from our view and then also
I just I do want you to understand that
similar to what the gentleman Shar
before we used to have a view of the
mountains that's one of the reasons we
bought our house we can actually see the
Hollywood Sign from our house and now
we'll be looking in someone's bedroom or
apparently onto their porch so I just
what I would ask the Planning Commission
to to consider is you have residents who
already live here and we're just asking
for the same thoughtfulness and care
that you're thinking of as you think
about putting new residents in um and
making sure that we are also taken care
of um because we've been here for a long
time and we would love to stay um but
that's all I have to say thanks thank
you hi
I I'm Ross sodachi I represent hawthor
Nursery I'm representing them in terms
of this Association and dealing with
Melia homes um when I talked to the
family about selling the property I told
them that with the housing overlay they
could go up to 94 units and have
Apartments but they said no they don't
want to do that to the community they
want to keep it down and Malia Malia
came up with a project of 68 Town Homes
I I hear a lot of the concerns that
people have I'm also a developer I've
heard the all of these concerns before
in all of the projects these are issues
to raise with the building department I
understand what there's a lot of people
with concerns on 129th Street they're
talking about the block wall they want
it to be landscaped they want speed
bumps they're talking about people
speeding so we understand all that I was
talking to the other gentleman back
there who has a house on Manor he was
worried about uh access on Manor Drive
and I said talked to the building
department I told him that this hearing
is to reduce the number of lots from 15
to two so they could move forward if we
had sold to an apartment developer this
would this hearing would not be
happening and they would just be going
ahead and building so thank
you hello one second make sure you get
your time
set gotcha okay good evening my name is
Tony Tran and I'm the homeowner of 12704
Manor Drive which is adjacent to the
right to the north of the development so
I was I did attend the recent meeting
with the other residents and Mr Brown
and uh I appreciate that I appreciate
seeing the the screen of trees um on
the uh West and north side of the
development uh to uh preserve and
enhance the Privacy
so just want to make sure that you know
if we can make that happen
that would be great and you know the
large larger trees the better so because
I'm right there on the north of the
property and my other concern is with
increased traffic of course and and
street parking on Manor Drive that could
happen from the project and so if this
could be
addressed um I would appreciate it going
forward thank you thank
you all good my name is Philip Pearson
I've been a resident at hearon since
1993 uh one thing uh I'm looking at this
project and I'm looking at how you
putting a small putting a big puzzle in
a small Peg and it seems like it's going
to be a lot more
traffic I mean you cannot eliminate that
we have children riding
bikes more traffic I'm I seen children
get hit that's a big concern you know I
mean I know you put this up investors
put this up oh this is a nice area you
know that make more Revenue but there's
safety concerns are not being looked at
that's one considerate consideration of
already property tax residents who pay
tax is not being considered this is a
joke how you given this flyer out it's
not enough time there's no respect to
the current residents and that that's a
problem I have you know you know uh
there have been several projects that
supposed to been happening
RFK that used to be a hospital there was
supposed to be a project there that
hasn't come for permission that's that's
that's a big lot right right over there
okay there other one over there snw used
to have there's supposed to
be apartment buildings put up over there
that hasn't came so it seems like and
those are much bigger Lots it seems like
you're putting over here 129 it's a
smaller area compared consider to those
other areas so that's that that's why
this is my concern why you putting in a
it looks like a big area but once you
start putting buildings on it it
shrinks I'm finished and I'm my concerns
again like you said you got these minals
at the last minute they were giv out the
last minute there was no early
consideration of getting out thank you
thank
you okay
hi there um I submitted my letter
through the email I'm sure you guys have
read it my name is Kevin Wong 12647
Manor
Drive what was the last name
WG yeah I sent a pretty long email uh or
a letter um I just wanted to voice just
for everyone in the public as well that
you know they think there's everyone has
the same concerns it's privacy it's
street parking it's traffic um I get
that there are restrictions in place for
good reasons um but I'd like the city or
even M homes to reconsider a driveway
out onto Manor and why it wouldn't go
into gellia or even just eliminated
driveway altogether because the other
property on the souths side has only one
driveway entrance and exit um I just
think it would heavily reduce the amount
of traffic that man or drive would
see that's it thank you thank you
hi uh Richard Dragon 129th Street
um if uh if I was uh hi Brad um I'd
always send a flyer with a mistake on it
so people have something something to
complain
about um it's really a non-issue to me
um I haven't heard uh if there's going
to be a Stairway to 129th
Street um all the questions if you
address here we'll make sure they and uh
I'm Not Dead Set against the project uh
I've regret it I I've re uh worried
about it for years but uh it's an
eventuality that I knew was coming
um I'd like to know what we could do to
mitigate uh
dust while they're in under
construction and uh hopefully it will
raise the property values
by not being Apartments so thank you
thank you
sir hello my name is eser aadia I'm my
husband came ahead and he just wanted me
to add more things I we own the property
of uh
4555 West 129th Street we purchased that
house basically because on one side was
the nursery we and we have been there
for like I'd say 30 years years and
we've been using it at rental it was
basically an income for our kids um what
I'm seeing now is that I don't know if
they're concerned about the water we've
had problems with our sump in our rental
we've had it replaced twice already are
they taking that in consideration
because of the height level as well as
the parking I've always never been able
to find easy parking and I would always
block my driveway when I come to talk to
the tenants
so that is an issue for me and I come in
the middle of the day I don't even come
at night when people are at home and um
walking on that sidewalk which is narrow
with certain areas where
the the poles for electricity it is a
little hazardous so widening it I don't
know if it'll make a difference but um
putting that block wall but at the
different heights uh is the are they
going to have the three floors I mean
the the apartments that have three
floors on the height of 129th or are
they going to base it down below and are
they going to take care of the water
drainage so that it doesn't flood and
cause
problems um the other thing is the noise
there's going to be two years that my
tenants are going to have to suffer
through and the dust and the noise I
hope they are thinking of accommodating
living standards and how how the noise
will impact everybody
um I think it's great that it's going to
be for sale and I I'm aware that our
hands are tied because of what
California State Legislature had passed
regarding housing so um I think this is
the best of worst
scenarios and I can accommodate that but
I think uh this area has some unique
features that needed to be taken care of
in fact my neighbor on the other side
I've gone in when I've taken before
while I was taking care of my myself had
people come in and change the cement and
everything there's just a little bit
overflowing and it's flooding you have
to understand 129th is like the houses
on the owner's unit is three levels with
the one down below being a car garage so
that's the height but on the street it's
two floors okay and to me that's a big
Hazard for the the coming Department
units thank you so much I see I'm
running
late I just want to clarify something
with her if you don't mind um Mrs ovadia
ovadia yes um you said water or flooding
where is when it rains you have to
understand okay
129th um is houses on the street only
see two floors two floors only but
underneath we don't have basements
normally in California but there is a
basement and that basement is a garage
so when you come in the driveway you go
down the driveway it goes steep down and
you turn to park and that part is I
would call it a basement because I'm
from New England I've been here 40 plus
44 years but I'm still New England so
anyhow that to me is a
basement but the tenants in the back
only one floor and they're on that
ground floor that's on Elsa gundo so you
have to see it's a gradient appreciate
I'm sorry we got thank you do you
understand what I'm talking about and I
can see that there will be if it's not
taken into consideration those people
who buy homes will be unhappy okay thank
you thank you thank
you my my name is Sean Carol I'm at 4548
West 129 Street been there 60 plus years
my born and raised here in hawthor the
city of good
neighbors
so and my family my father played for
the LA Angels and Pacific h leagues and
my family's been here for from the 30s
so when I bought that house I paid extra
for the
view quite quite a large sum you see
these pictures they're not two bedrooms
or two stories they're three stories
40ft base then the
ceiling it's like standing next to a
wall when they do that when they add
parking they don't allow access to out
if you saw the if you saw the the
drawing they don't allow access out at
the 129th for automobiles but they allow
entrance and exit by passengers or
pedestrians so you can park your car 129
then walk in the back gate but if you
don't get on when you're coming down
elag gondo you don't get in you just
whip around the corner find a place to
park but I walked over here I didn't
drive because there's no parking when I
go when I went back I couldn't get a
parking spot
so people drive from they M they try to
mitigate this about 10 years ago they
put speed bumps on top of the hill 129th
because people cut down when they put in
uh SpaceX more traffic started coming so
they shoot down 129th Street to get get
to Haw bouard turn right on ha bouevard
or they come down 130th cut cut across
and they cut down hawor bouevard when
you do the same thing when with El
agendo they're not going to be able to
they won't be able to park so they'll
whip around the street park on 12 29th
taking people's parking space so I think
that's about
it thank you all right and then you know
the thing
is in the flyer I saw just saw today
they said you have to speak speak your
mind today we have problems bringing up
today but people just get that note
today they can't they they haven't
figured out T beginning of a long
weekend you know some of these people
have G already left left town gone to
the beach
so that's it thank you very much thank
you very
much there anyone else than thank you or
be the last one okay I'm the resident on
the south side on El Segundo Boulevard
4556 West El Segundo my name is Jesus
Ortega I've been living in hurn for 25
years on that
property
and uh the notice that I have I have it
last week Friday and I have another one
Monday is not enough time for people
like myself that it works to respond and
to say anything
except I hope you consider it extended
and I hope it be another opportunity for
the community to speak because many
people doesn't get even the
notice is the first time I have it in my
hands I do not hear from previous
months or
previous information
nothing thank you thank
you is there anyone else who wishes to
address the Planning Commission on this
issue I cannot allow that um now there
were quite a number of yeah there's
quite a number of issues that um need to
be addressed that I I knowe the
applicant is allowed to to respond yes
um before that though I would like to
ask for permission to address some of
the issues that are concerning the city
as opposed to the applicant um first is
the notice um the notice went out in a
timely fashion pursuant to the law which
says 10 days before the hearing I'm
sorry that um some of you did receive it
late that's with the Postal Service
unfortunately not with the city uh we
sent everything out 10 days prior we did
then subsequently find that one part of
the notice which says submit your
comments by had a date from a previous
notice which was June 5th
2023 however the meeting date time and
location were correct and furthermore
the meeting date and time and location
were correct in the newspaper
notification so we did legally meet our
requirement but as a courtesy we did
send a a revised notice to all the same
people stating that the period to make
comments was was was not June 5th but
it's actually today the um the reason
it's set for today is because this is
the hearing and we don't it wouldn't do
anybody any good to have comments come
after the hearing okay but 10 days is
the standard that's standard throughout
the state um there may be some
jurisdictions that give more but we uh
by our Municipal Code give a 10-day
notice and it's not 10 days from the day
you receive it but from 10 days from
when we mail it okay um
with regard to the sidewalk on 129
Street it is being widened but the curb
is not being moved so the street will
not be narrowed okay the um there's a
there's a narrow sidewalk there now and
some landscaping or dirt or whatever um
that'll all be made into sidewalk so
it'll be a 7 foot sidewalk with tree
Wells every 50 feet with a tree planted
in it by the applicant so I want to be
clear on that they will have no impact
on the width of of the actual driving
area on 129 Street um with regard to
construction traffic and
noise um well let's deal with noise
noise is controlled by the municipal
code there are
um timelines in which construction can
take place every single day it's a
little bit more restrictive on on the
weekends I believe but uh we we will be
watching for that if they start
construction prior to was it s I think
or is it 8 I forgot seven
um they will receive a notice um of
violation but I don't expect that to be
the case and likewise construction has
to stop at is it 6 or something I forgot
when but anyway there's a time that that
has to stop so at the nighttime at least
there will be no construction permitted
and um we will be I mean we're very
close so we'll know if they're violating
that and code enforcement will be
keeping an eye on it as we do for every
construction project in the
city um as for the issue of notification
not going to all of the neighbors again
this goes back to the municipal code the
requirement for code is Neighbors within
300
ft now that doesn't include everybody on
129th but you know how there's no um
provision that we have to provide notice
to everybody on 129th the requirement is
Neighbors within 300 ft if even a small
portion of your property is within 300
ft of this property a notice would been
mailed to you anybody outside of that
doesn't get a notice but that's why we
advertise in the newspaper
and I don't that's that's just pursuant
to the municipal code and for per state
law um as for the driveway on uh Manor
Drive I'll let the applicant address why
not gravilla but I will say that the
second driveway is required on the
Northern portion for fire um trucks to
be able to get into the property and get
out the the southern one is wider so
they're able to do a complete circle or
Square so they can use one driveway that
doesn't apply to the northern part and
that's why there's a second driveway
there
um I a lot of the comments deal with uh
development standards such as
parking um I'd like to point out again
that that is outside of this uh scope of
this hearing all of those standards are
contained in the municipal code
and their objective meaning that the
city uses no judgment it's either yes or
no complies or doesn't comply that's
pursuant to state law as one of the
applicants or one of the residents had
said you know our hands are somewhat
Tied by state law here so rest assured
though there are standards and they will
be applied and and upheld so all of the
um all the issues related to Landscaping
parking um height all of that stuff is
covered and they they know the rules we
know the rules and they're free to build
up to those rules but not
Beyond um as mentioned RFK there is an
application already on I don't remember
who made that request but there is an
application for that site it's just it's
tied up in the in the environmental
review right now it it is slated to
happen but it's a long process and there
are plenty of other sites in the city
where housing is also being proposed and
being studied
currently um
let's see if there's anything
construction
dust goes with time construction dust is
controlled by the by the um
AQMD and the city does enforce um dust
control so if there's any incident of of
construction dust please notify the um
the city because that has to stop and
and the applicant is well aware of this
as part of the construction you know
process
a water issues I think you're talking
about drainage um again there there are
plenty of of regulations that apply to
water all of the water that falls onto
this property does not leave the
property it stays on the property that's
pursuant to law um and they're they're
going to have to have the property
graded which means they're going to you
know move the dirt around a little bit
to make it drain properly that's um
going to be carefully uh monitored by
the city and and it'll have to be
approved that's standard that's for
every
project um so I don't think that um
flooding is going to be much of an issue
here and the applicant may want to
expand on that a little
bit um the question about where the
bottom of the units uh adjacent to 129
they'll be on the low part they will not
be three stories above 129 Street
there'll be a floor and a half below
129th and then a floor and a half above
I think that covers all the city issues
now um if uh the applicant would like to
address the issues that are more
specific to the
project oh I'm sorry there was one other
question related to
squa um the squl studies I think that
person actually left but hopefully
they're watching on TV the squl studies
were um there's two of there's actually
one it was done when the um in 2022 when
the uh overlay was first adopted that's
available from the city we can email it
to you or you can come in and look at it
um I'm not sure if it's posted online
right now but we'll accommodate anyone
that needs to see it the other squa um
that we're addressing here is called a
categorical exemption for infill
development that's a state carve out
that exempts this project from requiring
eir or a negative declaration or
anything more significant this is a
qualified site for infill development so
we're covered on two basis if you if
you're not satisfied with the one we've
got the other but um usually you only
need
one okay just a uh Greg there's one more
question yeah it was just someone asked
of the environmental study if they
wanted to read it yeah that's what I
said okay sorry just want it's available
from the planning department you can
reach out to any of the well our email
addresses on the on the city's website
email us we'll send it to you
and I did want to just to add back I
know I saw an email from Nathan earlier
apparently that SQL file is pretty big
so it's hard to email so you you guys
are not were apparently yeah we'll put
it we'll we'll put it onto a download
site then if that's the case gotta it's
a it's definitely a public document and
anybody can look at
it okay I can't um we actually don't
can't take comments from the car that's
why we have I understand that's why we
have a public comment but I appreciate
you thank you have you like to respond
to sure thank you um and I I do thank
all the residents for coming out and
expressing their concerns and I hope by
some of those responses that I'm that
I'll be providing to you um show that we
in our design of the ultimate project
that is
uh following the map process that we're
here for tonight that because of our
history and my history um that we've
tried to address those as some what I
like like to call us project design
features um and that is um with regards
to for instance uh the elevation of the
buildings from 129th Street um we
initially I mean I've got portions of
our of our team that are here I was like
we want to because those houses are
elevated to some degree I want to drop
the grade so that's why we're dropping
the site grade at 129th below 129th to
help alleviate a three-story structure I
believe um we don't build homes that are
60 ft tall but I believe the housing
overlay has an allowance of up to 60
feet uh for Building height we're at 38
we're three stories so we initially and
in our proposed designs that are part of
the tenative track map are lowering the
elevation of the site 6 to8 feet below
the elevation of 129th Street um for for
that reason as Mr mlan mentioned there
will only be portions of the POR of the
House of the proposed town homes that
would be visible from Beyond and above
at
129 um Mr mlan touched on the sidewalk
um the sidewalk on 129th is very narrow
it is dirt there are utility poles and
so forth with it and that's why the City
Public Works director is wanting that
sidewalk to be seven feet wide that
current is the width of the current
Parkway whether it be sidewalk and dirt
it's going to be all sidewalk with some
trees planted along the sidewalk at the
top of the at the top of the project if
it is
approved um regards to the parking that
we've heard
um we
design what we have to have for our
residents future residents to be happy
and have a place to park it has to be
marketable it's something that they look
at when they come to buy into a project
that they have ample parking this
project when built would probably have
more parking spaces than any most
projects that you have in the
city and it is compliant with the
code with regards to the retaining wall
at 129th the retaining wall is necessary
so that we can drop the grade and retain
this the street at 129th as it is today
on top of that retaining wall would be
an open rail fence it's not going to be
a solid 12 foot 12ft retaining wall it
be a five to six foot tall retaining
wall with open rail fencing that would
have some Landscaping growing up both in
front and interior to the wall visible
from
129th um The Manor driveway opening that
Mr Wong and the neighbors that I met
with had mentioned um we looked at
trying to redirect that opening and
still maintain the required fire access
to another uh to to grela it wasn't
possible because of the configuration
and shape of that Northern parcel that
you see on the map um there is a not
that goes and I'm going to mention a
name that goes to in the property of the
current Nursery that reaches towards
Tony's house the neighbor to the direct
north of the site that allows
for the units the town homes to be built
on that portion of it and still maintain
the circulation necessary for uh for
fire and for trash service but more more
importantly fire um the South site with
the loop Street in it has enough room to
create the loop system so it just has
the one driveway in and
out there are no stairs proposed to
129th so I think that the parking on
129th is not of convenience for the
residents future residents of this
proposed project to park on 129th and
walk all the way around the block to
come around um the and that was by
Design to not provide pedestrian link up
to 129th because they have ample Ada and
pedestrian link directly down to elaga
Boulevard and they can get to haam
Boulevard or Englewood or the high
school or whatever out on Elsa
Boulevard
um
the the
letter I think there may be some
confusion regarding the city's public
notice letter versus my letter that I
sent out my letter was only sent to
those neighbors that are directly
adjacent to it it goes out in a standard
envelope that says Malia homes on it it
maybe looks like any other piece of junk
mail that we all get in our mail and it
maybe have tossed out and thrown away um
I count one two three four uh
individuals who spoke tonight saying
they didn't receive that letter that
were on the mailing list that I mailed
out so whether or not they saw it it's
been several months whether they tossed
it looked at it whatever it may be um
but those that are directly adjacent did
receive some correspond for me asking
for their input and to make contact uh
with me um and and to introduce myself
to them um regarding the drainage Andor
storm water and or
infiltration um regarding the storm
water that hits the site a certain
amount of water from a storm event is
required to be retained on site as Mr
mlan mentioned um in this particular
instance we're doing uh both detention
on the site in underground storage pipes
to retain that water volume and then it
would go into what we call a dryw which
is basically a chamber that goes down
about 35 to 40 feet into the Earth and
the storm water would go into that and
infiltrate back into the ground and
hopefully recharge our groundwater Basin
to some degree heavier storms and so
forth the codes require certain amount
of water be retained in a storm that
continues on and on and on in 100e storm
all that storm drain water is contained
and ultimately would run out to Elson
Boulevard just like the property does
today is there anything that I missed
that we would like to go back on
yeah nope that's all that's it thank you
any other any questions for the
commission before I sit down nothing
else for the applicant I appreciate you
thank you
okay Mr
McLean are there any documents to place
into the administrative record yes
several um several emails were received
they were all provided to you both um by
email and also put on the
Das
okay to my fell Commissioners we have
any final comments on this item or
questions for staff I just want to make
sure that we are clear when it comes to
questions for staff on this particular
thing the item that we are talking about
is the subdivision of the Lots so let's
make sure that we're keeping our
comments to that particular part of this
conversation because the rest of that we
can't really even we can't give
directives about so any questions no
questions for
staff no
questions here okay um I will now
formally close the public hearing on
these items and do we have a
motion uh I think I have some comments
before a motion we go I have some
comments too here we go first for all
the people in the room thank you so much
for coming community participation and
hear having your voice be heard is a
crucial part of what we take pride in
being up here um I think there are days
like this that it's it's frustrating to
the folks that are sitting up here of
the ability and the power that we have
in this position and what we're able to
vote on and what we aren't able to vote
on um and today definitely is one of
those days um what is put before us is
taking a 15 lot parcel into a two lot
parcel it is I wish we we were voting on
all the other things that were brought
up here today because as a resident of
Hawthorne I feel what you are feeling um
as I mentioned earlier in this session I
I live very close to 360 and when that
was built that is 600 units um so
there's a part of me that was like oh
gosh I wish it was only 68 but that
doesn't take away from what you are
feeling and please do not think I am
taking anything away from what you are
feeling because of this um if you anyone
likes to talk to me about that it it it
wasn't it didn't end up being even an
fraction of what we thought it was going
to be it's worked out very well for us
um and so if anyone wants to speak to me
about my experience with that offline
I'm more than happy to do that but it it
wasn't as catastrophic as in the
beginning we thought it was it in in all
honesty it wasn't catastrophic at all um
but again this is that was my experience
that is not your experience and I'm not
trying to take anything away from that
so I just wanted to say thank you for
coming expressing it and saying and
sharing with you that I wish it was
something else we were voting on today
versus what it was because as it is our
job to just vote and keep the the city
accountable for what the laws they put
into place the city council makes the
laws so again there are meetings every
two weeks for for that where you can
once again get on that agenda and can
talk to them about this and what it is
for the next phase of the building if
this goes through tonight so please know
that that is something it's every other
Tuesday and you can get time in front of
the city council because that is that is
who put this on our docket this evening
so with that again just thank you thank
you to Mr Brown for coming and sharing
everything that you are doing I do say
that I am happy as a resident of
hawthone that these are for for sale
homes and more home ownership because
with that gets people in activism and
volunteerism and bringing something to
this community just being temporary
residents coming in taking over a space
and leaving it's pride of ownership it's
pride of community it's pride of being
part of something and you never know
maybe someone if we get lucky that is
sitting in this in this development will
be up here and you know being part of a
bigger part of our community to make it
better for all of us so um again easy
for me to say up here we're not dealing
with the situation but again thank you
again for coming and no further
comments I'm just going to picky Bank uh
on what she
said the reason why we're here and what
decisions
that what Our obligation
is I know a lot of you have concerns
about certain things and so forth I do
understand that
um the site development for the
residential purposes allowed here is by
right so I know you guys have issues
with building and so forth uh how things
are going to pen out so forth
constructions and whatever what have you
that's going to be a different
department that takes care of that today
we're just here for the uh to combine or
make uh two lots so I just want to make
sure that we are clear on that um I've
seen different projects that come to the
planning department I do have to say
from what I see and hopefully um it is
what we're seeing today um I do
appreciate the idea that instead of
putting 94 units it is 68 homes not
Apartments so at
least it coming to the city someone has
or can take advantage of the fact that
they can actually be a homeowner so that
is something that is a major Pro um with
this
project also um I do appreciate the fact
that um
Malia Holmes
uh saw that there were some issues with
sidewalks and so forth he could actually
had a five uh foot setback on
sidewalks they decided to do seven
that's also a
pro also widening that street as well or
making that extra sidewalk I mean it's
just um that is greatly appreciated if
that's what they're going to do also the
trees the vegetation instead of putting
um smaller trees if they put 12T trees
that's also was just a consideration for
them um to maybe consider or at least we
encourage that so we'll see where they
go with that um but that is it for me
and again thank you guys um we do
appreciate you guys coming um to the
planning department and expressing your
concerns I will continue to ask anybody
who ever has concerns to please come up
let us hear you and we do appreciate you
a lot for doing that it just gives us a
different perspective and Outlook and so
forth and uh you guys are our eyes some
sometimes we can't see certain things we
can at least hear you and then we
can see where we can we go from there so
that's it sure um I say most importantly
thank you to everyone who came out here
to speak today uh particularly to voice
your opinion about what's going on in
your community in your neighborhood
though it is monumentally important for
all of us to come in and do this I do
again I think something commissioner H
Houston said that it is really important
for us to hear is that a lot of the
stuff when it comes from this point is
important for us to speak at at our city
council meeting is for us to talk about
how we want to direct our city like we
mentioned these are this overlay was
done part of our general plan our
general plan was done a while ago and
this is why it's important for us to be
at every single one of these meetings
because two years ago when this was done
it didn't really
it was just a thing we did now it's two
years later and it impacts us so it's
the reason why we come and we stay up on
these things when they're happening it's
a reason why every time there's
legislation that comes up we read it
thoroughly and we make sure we
understand what's happening because that
would prevent us a lot of us from being
confused as we go forward in this um
just share the same sentiments yeah some
of these things are are disappointing
when it comes to the way that um you
know that residents feel about them in
the time I do hope that everyone has the
same experience as commissioner Houston
where it's not that bad I really do
really do hope that it comes out in a
great way but personally as we as we sit
here we've seen a few projects that's
come past that were only done for
rentals we we fought as hard as we could
to try to get things that were not done
for rentals and there's another space
where we're hands tied so the fact that
this time we're actually able to get
some home ownership out of this I think
is a is a great is a great piece here
that's a big win that we should take
away from and um with that I close there
and I'll entertain the motion before we
um have a motion there is one missing
piece of information that I would like
to explain and that is given the
constraints that we're under by state
law you're probably wondering why are we
having a hearing and the reason for that
is that that there's a subdivision
happening here and subdivisions are not
all all going to occur inside of the
housing overlay and other subdivisions
that come forward in the city all of
these concerns and all of these issues
that you've raised would be very
relevant so that's why subdivisions
require a public hearing even in a case
such as this when our hands are
completely tied I just wanted to make
that clear we're not doing this just for
the fun of it um but there's a reason
behind it that's all got you well with
that we'll uh entertain a motion to
entertain a
motion second motion to approve I second
okay uh Vice chairperson cohens yes
commissioner hon yes and chairperson
Richard yes okay this subdivision map is
approved
okay administrative items no items items
to be placed on future
agendas or did I skip something
no um we do have at this time the design
review that you continued previously um
was originally intended to be on the
July 17th meeting I think it's not going
to make that meeting um so we have
nothing concrete planned for that July
17th meeting but that might change in
the next two weeks
okay okay moving on on along we got
commissioner report so we're going to
start here with commissioner Houston
roll
around nothing
planning sorry I keep on turning this
off and on um Planning Commission thank
you for
um for doing uh your great work
appreciate it thank you for um giving us
all this information that we need in
order to make our decisions so um just
wanted to say that but that's
it okay well happy Fourth of July
everybody there we go that was my very
brief note was where thank you all for
being here the right ahead of your long
weekend I hope you all you
know this guy okay well not a long
weekend for all this Z we'll go that I
appreciate you guys for spending here
taking some of your time here here with
us today again appreciate the residents
I know everyone's is heading out here we
appreciate you guys for coming out
letting us know how you feel about these
things um and with that I won't hold you
guys in here too long so I call this
meeting adjourned at
oh small
note this clock time is 7:50 here and
it's 8:08 up there so I'm trying to
figure out what time it is time go by
your phone that's the that's always
accurate it's 807 sorry actually sorry
that did I do have one one actual
question and I just thought about that
something I noticed when we did the sub
because of this project when we're doing
the subdivision uh we at the reason I
brought up the question about other
projects that we had that were only
allowed to be rental is there
any is there any way that we can utilize
this this set of um the set of zoning to
encourage more projects that come in
that allow for or or only allow to do s
for sale because right now what we're
doing is we're we're producing this so
that way they can sell it but it seems
like there may be a lot of spaces in the
city where they're already set up to
just go these will allow you to do
rentals and thus we don't have we don't
even have to have have this conversation
is there something we can do to kind of
promote there there is the possibility
to create incentives for someone to
choose the ownership option um we we
we've can look at that we've have been
kind of looking at that for a while now
we um we're also looking at other
incentives such as law consolidations
and so forth we haven't gotten around to
codifying those yet um we can't make a
requirement per se um for two reasons
one um it it's it's a property right to
be able to sell or to you know have an
apartment and the other is that we would
be anticipating the housing market in
the city in you know in a year from now
or two years from now and that's not
really anything that we're qualified to
do any of us so builders on the other
hand have a much better um sense of the
pulse of the of the market and you know
and I think the applicant had even
mentioned that if sales are good things
will go faster
right but if sales are slow then things
will take longer they just you know
that's just the way housing works and
none of us in this room can tell you
whether or not the demand that's going
to come up in two years or something is
going to be for renders or owners we're
all banking on it being owners and
hoping so especially the applicant I'm
sure but that's the reason why we don't
want to get to the point where we're
dictating one or the other makes
sense well thank you okay so we call the
meeting adjourned at 809 p.m. 8:09