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[0:47] p.m we're gonna have the Pledge of
[0:48] Allegiance from Miss commissioner Ruby
[0:52] cohens are you going to do it okay well
[0:54] Jen Houston is going to do it
[0:56] right okay
[0:58] everyone thank you I pledge allegiance
[1:01] to the flag of the United States of
[1:03] America and to the Republic for which it
[1:06] stands one nation under God indivisible
[1:09] with liberty and justice for
[1:12] all thank you uh roll call please
[1:16] chairperson Richard present Vice
[1:18] chairperson cohens present commissioner
[1:21] hon
[1:23] present hey item D oral
[1:26] Communications this is the time for the
[1:27] public to address the Planning
[1:29] Commission on the consent calendar or
[1:31] any other matters that are not on the
[1:33] public hearing portion of the agenda
[1:36] after obtaining permission to proceed by
[1:38] the presiding officer speaker should
[1:40] first state their full name and address
[1:42] for the record but it is not required
[1:45] the speaker shall limit their address to
[1:47] 3 minutes any public comments that are
[1:49] discriminatory defamatory or otherwise
[1:52] not protected speech will not be
[1:54] considered consented to or otherwise
[1:57] adopted by the planning Commissions in
[1:59] its deliberation and findings as a
[2:01] courtesy to others please silence your
[2:03] cell phones and other electronic devices
[2:06] the Planning Commission strives to treat
[2:08] all participants with Civility and we
[2:11] ask that you do the
[2:12] same I'm give you seconds I see a lot of
[2:15] cell phones being silenced there um but
[2:18] also today as we do have a lot of folks
[2:20] here let's please remember we do need to
[2:22] keep our remarks to three minutes there
[2:24] will be a lot of remarks I'm sure so
[2:27] with that being said if anyone would
[2:29] like to address the Planning Commission
[2:31] on items not on the consent or on the
[2:33] consent calendar other matters please
[2:35] form a line there at the
[2:41] middle if you're here for the
[2:42] subdivision that's a public hearing that
[2:44] your opportunity will come up
[2:46] later um so what's on the um consent
[2:50] calendar are minutes of previous
[2:53] meetings and a Time extension for a um
[2:57] for a map that's all but but any other
[3:00] any matters that are not on public
[3:01] hearings is this is the time to
[3:04] speak thank you for that
[3:07] clarification
[3:09] okay seeing no one I will close oral
[3:13] Communications item
[3:17] e do I
[3:19] read yeah but that's
[3:22] mine
[3:24] um sure sure
[3:35] hello my name is Judith tro I reside at
[3:38] 4500 West 129 Street I've been a
[3:41] longtime resident but I'm a little
[3:43] confused about the meeting we were told
[3:45] that this was a meeting on the Planning
[3:48] Commission in regard
[3:51] to uh the plan rezoning or whatever on
[3:56] on alunda Boulevard yeah so that's what
[3:59] uh gr Greg was just explaining there's a
[4:01] number of things on the agenda what
[4:02] we're looking at right now is the
[4:04] consent calendar there will be a public
[4:05] hearing open for that part that still be
[4:07] during this meeting thank
[4:12] you okay items on the consent calendar
[4:15] are the Planning Commission meetings of
[4:16] February 21st 2024 Planning Commission
[4:19] minutes of April 17 2024 Planning
[4:23] Commission minutes of May 15 2024 time
[4:26] extension
[4:27] request um
[4:31] for the hotel project at 11444 AAA
[4:35] Avenue take a
[4:38] motion for it any motions I motion to
[4:42] vote Mo to it's approve to approve I
[4:44] mean I'm sorry yeah have a second okay
[4:47] these are just for the minutes correct
[4:48] and the and the time and the time
[4:50] extension for the permit for the
[4:56] hotel if there's anything on there that
[4:58] you'd like to pull you just mention the
[5:00] item so if it's four you just pull item
[5:03] four well I was going to ask about the
[5:05] the Acasia Hotel yeah if you just have a
[5:08] question you can make the motion and
[5:10] then that before we vote we can deal
[5:12] with questions okay if you want to if
[5:14] you want to discuss that discuss that
[5:16] item separately then pull it from the
[5:18] consent calendar I'll pull it okay so
[5:21] we're just dealing with the three
[5:22] minutes right okay so we have a motion
[5:26] to approve I have motion to approve just
[5:27] the minutes minutes approve second
[5:30] second second okay sorry okay
[5:33] commissioner hon uh yay Vice chairperson
[5:36] cohens yes chairperson Richard yes okay
[5:40] now now um you have the floor okay well
[5:45] I just want to know if everything was
[5:47] followed um well I just want to know on
[5:50] the extension
[5:52] itself there was a little confusion I
[5:54] saw some emails um
[6:01] I saw some emails basically and I saw
[6:03] the extension but they never received a
[6:05] rebuttal afterwards is this from the
[6:07] from the law firm that you were seeing
[6:09] the
[6:13] emails no there the two the two people
[6:16] emails that came in not from the law
[6:18] firm they're in here no no no I saw
[6:20] those emails as well correct I saw I saw
[6:22] those emails but just to confirm
[6:27] uh the extension
[6:30] for that hotel it wasn't ever laps
[6:32] correct oh you're talking about the
[6:34] emails requesting the extension oh yeah
[6:37] no it it didn't lapse they made the
[6:38] request before it well it's lapsed now
[6:41] but it would be retroactively reinstated
[6:43] and because they made their application
[6:45] before the Hotel lapsed that's
[6:48] acceptable practice okay it doesn't
[6:50] extend beyond one year from the date it
[6:52] expired it's not one year from today
[6:54] it's from when it expired so uh it's
[6:57] just related to the difficulty of
[7:00] getting all the paperwork and so forth
[7:02] and the and the Commissioners all here
[7:04] at the same time so okay that's what I
[7:06] was thinking okay um basically that was
[7:09] the only question now say that he
[7:11] doesn't finish for instance we give him
[7:13] the extension he doesn't finish at all
[7:15] we have to do a new cup it is going to
[7:17] be a c okay that was the clarification
[7:18] that I need this was an approved cup and
[7:20] if it if it lapses final for the final
[7:23] time than a new CP would be required
[7:25] okay and so this is considered the final
[7:26] time then yes okay then I'm good now you
[7:29] just clarify it for me okay so we need a
[7:31] motion motion to approve second okay
[7:35] Vice chairperson
[7:36] cohens
[7:38] yes um commissioner hon yes and
[7:43] chairperson
[7:46] Richard yes okay this uh this item was
[7:49] continued or extended for the year
[7:54] okay okay that concludes the consent
[7:56] calendar there are no continued public
[7:58] hearings so now now we're at the portion
[8:00] of the new public hearings first item is
[8:02] design review application Dr
[8:07] 20248 now is the time in place to open
[8:10] the public hearing to consider design
[8:12] review 20 Dr
[8:15] 2024 08 uh senior senior planner Maria
[8:20] mahic will present the staff report good
[8:22] evening Commissioners I do not have a
[8:24] staff report as we are requesting a
[8:26] continuance of this item to a later date
[8:31] to make sure that all uh items are ready
[8:35] to go for your review and
[8:39] decision okay so I'll entertain a motion
[8:41] to continue this item I second for
[8:45] clarification is this continue to a date
[8:48] uncertain we had requested July 17 2024
[8:53] but right now we are requesting to adate
[8:55] uncertain okay whenever we continue to
[8:57] adate uncertain we'll Reen notice the
[8:59] public okay okay great okay so we will
[9:02] motion I'll entertain a motion to
[9:04] continue this item to a date
[9:07] uncertain a motion yeah second wait moot
[9:10] oh my gosh I'm getting so ex yes say a
[9:12] motion yes a motion okay cool second who
[9:15] made the motion motion yes second
[9:19] second
[9:22] vote okay uh Vice chairperson cohens yes
[9:25] commissioner hon yes and chairperson
[9:28] Richard yes okay so this item is
[9:31] continued all right okay next is design
[9:35] review application dr22
[9:41] 24004 now is the time in place to open
[9:43] the public hearing to consider design
[9:46] review application Dr
[9:50] 20244 assistant planner anise Bermudez
[9:52] will present the staff
[9:55] report good evening Commissioners I'll
[9:58] be presenting the design review
[9:59] application for the holy Resurrection
[10:01] Church in school located at 4955 West
[10:04] 119th
[10:07] Street the church is located in a
[10:10] residential Zone surrounded
[10:11] predominantly by residential uses it's
[10:14] located on the corner of 119th Street
[10:16] and Felton Avenue and just across Felton
[10:19] Avenue is another religious assembly use
[10:22] the New Life Community
[10:25] Church the parcel is rather large at
[10:27] just over 28,000 square fet and
[10:30] currently on the lot are two structures
[10:32] one is the predom one is the main
[10:34] Auditorium for the church and the other
[10:37] is the school and classroom
[10:40] area both are going to be remodeled and
[10:43] slightly
[10:48] expanded this is what the facade of the
[10:51] structure currently looks like from
[10:52] 119th Street it's two stories a little
[10:56] over 32 feet tall and as you can see
[10:58] there's plenty of Street Frontage so
[11:00] that gives great opportunity to improve
[11:02] the Landscaping which we'll look at
[11:06] later this is an alternative view of the
[11:09] buildings from Felton Avenue you can see
[11:12] the school on the left has the flat roof
[11:14] and the church is on the right with the
[11:16] gable
[11:19] roof so this is the proposed site plan
[11:22] some of the modifications are shown with
[11:24] the yellow highlight with the orangey
[11:26] yellow highlight um The Roof is going to
[11:29] to be expanded to accommodate some
[11:31] widened side aisles on either side of
[11:33] the church this is not to increase the
[11:35] number of seats in the auditorium but
[11:37] just to accommodate um Ada accessibility
[11:40] so there's an a nice path of travel to
[11:42] get through there also shown is a new
[11:45] tower and elevator that's going to serve
[11:47] all both all both of the main floors of
[11:50] the church as well as the third floor
[11:52] roof deck um there is going to be a
[11:54] third floor roof deck as well as a
[11:56] second floor roof deck and on the third
[11:59] floor floor is a new kitchen net and um
[12:01] Ada
[12:05] restroom so this is the proposed layout
[12:08] for the first floor as I mentioned
[12:10] earlier one of the changes is going to
[12:11] be widening to the side aisles to allow
[12:14] that increased accessibility the altar
[12:16] in the front of the church is being
[12:18] redesigned and reshaped um some of the
[12:21] restrooms are going to be relocated to
[12:22] the southwest corner of the church
[12:25] there's going to be a new Sacrament
[12:27] Bakery and Lounge area
[12:29] when it comes to the school side some of
[12:31] the um there's going to be a remodel of
[12:34] the restroom and a little kitchenet
[12:37] added for a little coffee area rather
[12:39] added near the kitchenet which is
[12:43] existing this is the proposed layout of
[12:46] the second
[12:47] floor um on the far west side there's a
[12:51] new conference room and office space
[12:53] adjacent to that is an existing
[12:55] mezzanine area that is going to be
[12:57] remodeled so that it opens out to the
[13:00] outdoor deck toward the front of the
[13:03] church is going to be another little
[13:05] Lounge area or a small conference room I
[13:08] can't quite tell from here but I it's
[13:10] one of the two and then um on the school
[13:13] side there's going to be um another
[13:16] restroom
[13:22] remodel so this gives us a closer look
[13:24] at the roof decks that are being added
[13:27] on the second floor it's about 1600 ft
[13:31] and a staircase can take you up to the
[13:33] third floor roof deck as well as an
[13:35] elevator that serves that area the third
[13:37] floor roof deck will be approximately
[13:39] 2600 Square ft and it'll be enclosed on
[13:43] all sides by a 24in parapet wall and
[13:46] above that a 42in tempered glass guard
[13:48] rail so all in all about 5 and 1/2 ft of
[13:52] protection on all sides there will also
[13:54] be a new kitchenet and restroom up there
[14:02] these are the North and South elevations
[14:04] which give us a view of what the
[14:06] exterior of the structure will look like
[14:08] after the remodel as you can tell it's a
[14:10] very traditional Church there's going to
[14:13] be um ornate decorations and copper
[14:16] domes as well as gold um crosses that
[14:20] Adorn the
[14:21] building there's a tower there too that
[14:24] we'll analyze in a
[14:27] moment these are altern elevations where
[14:29] you can see other
[14:35] angles also included in the scope of
[14:37] work of this project is Landscaping so
[14:41] mulch is going to be added to existing
[14:43] plant areas to freshen up what's
[14:46] existing and the designers have proposed
[14:48] to add new varieties of trees and
[14:53] shrubs these are the V varieties that
[14:56] have been called out by the designer
[14:57] there's going to be citrus tree
[14:59] and different types of plants and um
[15:02] bushes those vibrant colors such as the
[15:05] orange and the purple and the blue are
[15:07] going to provide nice pops of color to
[15:08] really enhance the street Frontage of
[15:10] this
[15:14] project so this Tower is one of the key
[15:18] design elements of this project it's
[15:21] it's functional as it encloses the the
[15:24] elevator um it's also a you know it's
[15:28] also a design element so we have the the
[15:30] cross at the top as well as a little
[15:32] copper gold Dome that's up there
[15:36] um the what looks to be like a little
[15:39] glass window on that Tower is actually a
[15:42] proposed electric message center so I'd
[15:45] like to point out that that's going to
[15:46] be reviewed separately by the design I
[15:48] mean by the uh planning department
[15:49] because we have to make sure that meets
[15:51] um the zoning code and so we'll be
[15:53] reviewing that
[15:54] separately um the tower is proposed to
[15:57] be a little over 72 ft tall so that is
[16:00] significant but it's not unlike some
[16:02] other Steeples that we have in the
[16:03] church there in the city there's St
[16:06] Joseph's Church as well as Trinity
[16:08] Lutheran that both have tall Steeples so
[16:11] it's it's seen elsewhere in the city as
[16:17] well this is a closeup of the roof plan
[16:21] much of which is going to be existing
[16:23] the shingles are to remain um the roof
[16:26] will be expanded to accommodate those
[16:28] widened sides
[16:29] aisles
[16:31] um and the roof Dome is another design
[16:34] element that stands out and it's going
[16:37] to be about 16 feet tall and 25 feet in
[16:40] diameter so it's it is significant and
[16:44] um that's included in this in this um
[16:50] slide and that brings us to the staff
[16:53] recommendation which is that we
[16:54] recommend for the Planning Commission to
[16:56] adopt the resolution 202 2413 with
[17:00] conditions of approval approving design
[17:02] review application Dr
[17:07] 20244 okay thank
[17:12] you does the Planning Commission have
[17:14] any questions for
[17:19] staff just to confirm that right now
[17:21] with what we are voting on it is not the
[17:23] electric sign that's going to come up at
[17:25] a different point to see if it measures
[17:27] this is just the structural plan that
[17:29] was put forth correct the electronic
[17:31] message center will be reviewed only by
[17:33] the planning department as um signage
[17:35] usually is thank you
[17:38] yes no questions questions I had a
[17:41] question just on the bathroom you
[17:42] mentioned that there on the second floor
[17:44] that there is a new ADA Bathroom being
[17:46] added the third floor the third floor um
[17:50] reason I asked a question is there a
[17:51] first floor ADA Bathroom already
[17:54] existing good question I don't have the
[17:56] full set of plans in front of me but I
[17:58] do know that that third floor there's
[17:59] only going to be one bathroom up there
[18:01] and it is Ada accessible as far as first
[18:04] floor goes I would need to check the
[18:05] plan set to confirm or perhaps the
[18:07] designers can speak to that okay
[18:10] gotcha um that's it for
[18:14] me okay is the applicant present and do
[18:17] they wish to
[18:24] speak good evening Mr chairman and the
[18:28] Comm Miss um my name is aim Bell the
[18:33] project
[18:34] architect um and my client is right here
[18:38] father
[18:40] seral on the issue about the Ada we do
[18:44] have on each
[18:46] Flor um
[18:49] Ada restrooms perfect and they are all
[18:53] accessible through the elevator awesome
[18:56] okay I just wanted to make sure there
[18:57] wasn't just only a ADA Bathroom on the
[18:59] third floor each floor icluding the roof
[19:03] the one on the Roof oh right okay uh
[19:07] plan commission have any questions of
[19:08] The Advocate n no questions okay thank
[19:12] you for being here today appreciate
[19:14] thank you very much
[19:22] thanks Mr mlan are there any documents
[19:24] to place in the administrative recret
[19:26] there are none but uh this this is also
[19:29] the opportunity if anyone in the public
[19:30] wants to address the commission oh okay
[19:34] I did miss that one is there anyone who
[19:35] wishes to address the commission on this
[19:40] issue okay see none there is no
[19:43] documents do my fellow Commissioners
[19:45] have any final comments on this item or
[19:47] questions of
[19:49] Staff no no further questions good okay
[19:52] I'll for formally close the public
[19:54] hearing on these items and do I have a
[19:56] motion to approve motion to approve
[19:58] second the second the secretary please
[20:01] call for the
[20:02] vote Vice chairperson Collins yes
[20:05] commissioner hon yes and chairperson
[20:08] Richard yes okay this application is
[20:10] approved thank you aome okay next is
[20:13] subdivision development application SD
[20:24] 20242 give me one second let me get
[20:27] stuff moved around here
[20:35] [Applause]
[20:41] sd2 all
[20:43] right now is the time in place to open
[20:45] the public hearing to consider
[20:47] subdivision development application
[20:49] sd224
[20:52] 00002 assistant planner Nathan Levy will
[20:55] present the staff report good evening
[20:58] commissioners um so we have before you a
[21:01] proposal for a vesting tentative track
[21:04] map uh this this uh tenative tract map
[21:08] here revolves around the Hawthorne
[21:10] Nursery site uh the owners are proposing
[21:13] to develop it and in order to do that
[21:16] they need to combine the 15 existing
[21:18] Parcels into two one north of alunda
[21:21] Boulevard and one
[21:23] South um the primary issue here is that
[21:28] vesting inative track map uh the
[21:30] development and the permitting of the
[21:31] actual housing is not part of this
[21:33] project uh that is because the city
[21:36] council has passed several ordinances
[21:38] that Implement a housing overlay uh this
[21:41] was part of the general plan uh this was
[21:43] part of the housing element update that
[21:46] only commissioner Richard was on on the
[21:47] commission at that time uh but did go
[21:50] through the Planning Commission uh the
[21:52] the city council has stated that a
[21:54] residential development is a
[21:57] byright uh approval
[21:59] on within the housing overlay uh
[22:03] so when we look at the site we see that
[22:05] it does have different zoning we've got
[22:08] a mix of commercial and residential but
[22:10] like I mentioned it's all within a
[22:12] housing overlay so the housing overlay
[22:14] was established uh was approved in
[22:17] 2022 uh this housing overlay is is where
[22:21] the city council established that
[22:22] byright
[22:24] development So currently as I mentioned
[22:27] there's 15 total parcels across both
[22:29] sites uh it has a total of uh just over
[22:32] three gross Acres um there are four
[22:35] existing structures on the site uh
[22:37] they're on the Northern section of the
[22:39] site there's uh some homes that have not
[22:41] been used in a very long time as well as
[22:44] some other structures that the nursery
[22:47] used um so here we have a snapshot of
[22:50] the current conditions on the Northern
[22:52] section um you can see that it's bounded
[22:54] by gravilla and
[22:56] Manor and we can see that there is
[22:59] residential uh on the west and the North
[23:02] and there is some uh institutional use
[23:06] to the
[23:07] east with the southern section we see
[23:11] similar we see commercial or excuse me
[23:13] we see residential uh on the the west
[23:16] and the South partially on the East we
[23:19] also have a church the church of the
[23:22] nazarine uh this is just to give you an
[23:24] idea this is the current assessor parcel
[23:26] map from the Los Angeles County
[23:28] assessors um the highlighted in red are
[23:31] the sections that are north of ela
[23:33] Boulevard so these are the
[23:36] proposed Parcels to be combined into one
[23:39] parcel with this
[23:40] application um so if this does get
[23:42] approved that's what the assessors
[23:44] parcel map will eventually be updated to
[23:47] reflect uh the the southern site is
[23:49] going to be the same thing these Parcels
[23:51] will all be combined into
[23:54] one we do have a preliminary site plan
[23:57] that we are showing here um please
[24:01] remember that these site plans are
[24:03] tentative they're subject to change uh
[24:06] they do have to be reviewed by all
[24:08] relevant City departments so we're
[24:09] looking at the building and safety
[24:12] department the planning department um as
[24:14] well as public works and the MPD review
[24:18] so they have to go through all of the
[24:20] requirements in order to be issued any
[24:22] permits for building or for grading for
[24:24] anything
[24:27] um so on the site we have both North and
[24:30] Southern section northern and southern
[24:32] sections presented here uh these are all
[24:35] going to be ownership for ownership
[24:37] units for sale at market value um they
[24:41] are town homes so we're not looking at
[24:43] apartments or
[24:45] condos uh here is a little bit closer of
[24:48] the northern section I did want to point
[24:51] out this is what's being proposed for
[24:53] Access so there's two access points uh
[24:55] one on Manor Drive and one on elag gundo
[24:58] um this is in order to accommodate fire
[25:01] as well as trash uh so
[25:04] it's required essentially in order for
[25:06] it to be safe and
[25:09] accessible uh they are currently
[25:11] proposing 60 garage stalls for the
[25:13] residents as well as an additional 12
[25:15] open stalls on the Northern section
[25:17] Alone um right now as far as we can tell
[25:21] there if if it were to come under just
[25:23] the objective design standards we would
[25:24] require 45 roughly stalls so they're
[25:27] well in except ESS of
[25:29] that uh the southern site is similar uh
[25:32] there's only one entrance on this um but
[25:34] if you take a look you can see that it
[25:36] does loop around and there are turning
[25:38] points for fire and for trash um there's
[25:42] a few more stalls on the southern
[25:44] section than there are in the northern
[25:46] uh there's 66 for residents there's
[25:49] eight open for guests and residents uh
[25:51] right now it looks as if there would be
[25:53] 51 required under the objective
[25:56] standards um two important things to
[25:59] note uh the primary one here is that
[26:01] 129th is completely closed off uh there
[26:04] will be no vehicular access uh from
[26:07] 129th into the project there will be a
[26:10] propos there is a proposed retaining
[26:11] wall that will be put in place there uh
[26:14] to limit any visual impacts that may
[26:19] occur um at this time we do want to
[26:22] recommend that the Planning Commission
[26:24] adopt a notice of exemption MPC
[26:26] resolution 20245 with the conditions uh
[26:29] approving subdivision application 2024
[26:34] 002 thank you does the Planning
[26:37] Commission have any questions for
[26:40] staff I have a question so today we are
[26:44] just voting on taking this from 15 Lots
[26:49] down to two correct yes that is correct
[26:53] when the build is going to take place
[26:57] and permits are going to need to be
[27:00] issued I'm assuming this is when we get
[27:03] into the is there going to be turn lanes
[27:05] are there going to be all of these types
[27:07] of questions that get a little deeper
[27:08] into the minutia than for this right now
[27:11] or is this the time to ask this is the
[27:13] only time this will this project will be
[27:16] in front of the commission unless
[27:18] there's an appeal of some sort that
[27:19] requires it to come back um this this
[27:23] building permits have already been
[27:24] approved no no let me let me add that um
[27:27] the applicant is already met with the
[27:29] public works department to discuss turn
[27:31] lanes and that sort of thing and they've
[27:32] come to an agreement on how that will be
[27:35] how that will be done so there will be
[27:37] adjustments on elag Boulevard to
[27:39] accommodate the properties okay and
[27:41] those are those are reflected in in the
[27:43] propos in the resolution before you um
[27:46] we incorporated all of the requests from
[27:49] the public works department in order to
[27:50] ensure that I know I know I read it I'm
[27:54] just asking so other people here can
[27:56] hear it right I don't know if they read
[27:59] the staff
[28:00] report Ruby well yeah you go ahead well
[28:05] now do you raise another question for me
[28:07] so as you mentioned right now today
[28:09] we're voting simply to combine these
[28:11] Parcels but you're also stating that we
[28:13] won't see this project again before it's
[28:15] approved to go into build phase so is
[28:18] there ever will there be a point where
[28:20] there's a design review that no so so
[28:23] this project is exempt from design
[28:24] review and that's based on the housing
[28:27] overlay section that was added by city
[28:29] council um so the housing overlay is
[28:32] specifically Exempted but it does have
[28:34] to meet uh objective design standards so
[28:38] along with that housing overlay Edition
[28:40] there was another addition of an entire
[28:43] chapter devoted to those objective
[28:45] design standards uh so those standards
[28:47] will apply to like the project we have
[28:50] before us within the housing overlay and
[28:52] also apply to the multitude of different
[28:54] types of affordable housing applications
[28:56] that that require objective design
[28:59] standards got
[29:03] okay I know this is going to seem
[29:08] repetitive so just to be
[29:11] clear we're only
[29:13] voting to have the two partials correct
[29:16] correct okay and you're also saying that
[29:21] it's administerial
[29:23] then the rest of it since because of
[29:26] Raina and the house in element Am I am I
[29:31] reading you correct on that
[29:33] ministerial meaning that the decision
[29:36] has no opportunity for discretion
[29:38] whatsoever it's simply a matter of does
[29:41] it meet the codes this is um this is the
[29:44] outcome of the state laws and the need
[29:47] to accommodate our um Regional Housing
[29:50] needs um assessment that was part of the
[29:52] housing element in order to hit the
[29:54] numbers that the state requires we had
[29:56] to designate certain properties
[29:58] properties around the city that were
[29:59] likely to be developed and were
[30:01] appropriate for
[30:02] residential into these um housing
[30:05] overlay and the housing overlay sets a
[30:08] standard that is 30 units to the acre
[30:10] this is under that I believe slightly um
[30:14] but the housing overlay does not specify
[30:16] that it has to be Town Homes ownership
[30:19] it could be apartments and it doesn't
[30:21] say that it has to be affordable these
[30:22] are not affordable these are market rate
[30:24] units if it were affordable we would
[30:27] have even less control control over the
[30:28] situation there would be no control on
[30:30] density no control on height no control
[30:33] on anything so I think that the question
[30:37] before you in addition to just making it
[30:39] two Parcels is you're Paving the way for
[30:41] this only to be a ownership
[30:44] project now any of
[30:47] these Town Homes being
[30:50] developed are they going into the
[30:52] numbers yeah all all housing that's
[30:55] built will count in some fashion these
[30:57] are not accounting is Affordable these
[30:58] are market rate there is a category for
[31:00] market rate and since we're still very
[31:02] early in our excuse me in our housing
[31:05] cycle these will count after we achieve
[31:08] our goal in the market rate any any
[31:10] additional market rate housing just is
[31:12] not going to count but we wouldn't stop
[31:14] it from being
[31:15] developed but this one these will all
[31:18] count absolutely so they will count but
[31:20] they won't be affordable right these
[31:22] your market rate none of them not we
[31:26] haven't asked for any to be
[31:31] okay are we able to put conditions
[31:34] though at all what well it depends what
[31:37] sort of conditions you're you're looking
[31:39] any conditions that you make have to
[31:40] have an access to the application the
[31:42] application is 15 to2 Lots so if you can
[31:46] find a way to make that connection to
[31:48] the 15 to2 lot problem you can have a
[31:52] condition anything else is not going to
[31:53] be permitted I'm just actually my
[31:56] concern is always about parking
[31:58] yeah and is there a way of just making
[32:02] sure that there's some type of parking
[32:06] agreement within this development some
[32:09] type of parking agreement no because
[32:12] that you can't make the Nexus that that
[32:14] has anything to do with the number of
[32:15] Lots now the applicant has taken it upon
[32:17] themselves to provide Surplus parking
[32:20] considerable amount of surplus parking
[32:22] and every unit has assigned parking in a
[32:24] garage in addition to guest parking on
[32:26] the outside so um they've kind of taken
[32:30] the the issue off the table to some
[32:34] extent I I did see that yeah and I did
[32:37] appreciate all that because I saw the
[32:39] tandem parking I saw the two two-car
[32:41] garage I saw the Surplus which is
[32:44] wonderful but I just want to get a
[32:47] clarification did you just say that it
[32:49] could be
[32:51] changed so these these plans are
[32:53] preliminary yes um you know that that is
[32:58] the nature of this sort of development
[33:00] is that these are preliminary and these
[33:02] were added essentially to assure the
[33:05] commi the Commissioners as well as the
[33:07] public that's here today of what exactly
[33:09] the developers are trying to do here um
[33:13] you know this this was viewed largely as
[33:16] a very good project compared to other
[33:20] ideas that were that were seen and that
[33:22] were proposed um especially as far as
[33:24] density of of dwelling units goes um
[33:30] yes it may change that that's always
[33:33] that's a possibility in this situation
[33:36] um again though you come to the issue of
[33:39] trying to connect any requirements for
[33:42] parking with the actual project in front
[33:45] of us of the the merge but when you say
[33:50] change that means that although you say
[33:52] that there's going to be two car garages
[33:55] two tandem parking so forth or spaces
[33:58] are
[34:00] those can the
[34:02] developer come back and say no parking
[34:05] outside I'll just get the 35 guest
[34:08] parking outside and that's it they have
[34:10] to meet the objective design standards
[34:12] which do address parking okay okay so so
[34:15] all that it may change but no matter
[34:18] what in order to have a building permit
[34:20] issued to them to start construction to
[34:22] get a certificate of occupancy they have
[34:24] to meet the objective design standards
[34:27] and what about the vegetation itself
[34:29] that's part of the objective design
[34:31] standards it's
[34:32] Incorporated is there anything stady
[34:34] maybe like every 10 parking spaces we
[34:37] can at least have a tree or something or
[34:39] something tied down to just to make sure
[34:41] that we have something there there I I I
[34:43] apologize I don't remember what the
[34:45] design standard for trees and parking
[34:46] lots is but um they are codified into
[34:49] the municipal code and the question is
[34:51] does it meet the code requirements or
[34:53] not and that's the decision we'll make
[34:55] when we get the
[34:56] application and again there's not a
[34:58] clear access to the map at this
[35:01] point okay no more questions for
[35:06] me any questions for you
[35:09] J
[35:11] okay is the applicant present and do
[35:15] they wish to
[35:18] speak you
[35:30] good evening chair Richard members of
[35:31] the commission my name is Chad Brown um
[35:33] I'm vice president planning and
[35:35] development for a private home builder
[35:37] company named Malia
[35:39] holes
[35:42] um where's
[35:48] myON
[35:54] thanks let's roll please
[35:58] so Malia holes is as I said is a private
[36:00] home builder um we have developed homes
[36:04] in southern LA County Orange County
[36:07] Northern San Diego County um we are a
[36:10] for sale Builder we're not an apartment
[36:12] Construction Company um so everything
[36:15] that we do is a product that is for sale
[36:18] to Future homeowners and um I've been uh
[36:22] working as an infill uh builder for 13
[36:26] years from aah homes prior to that I
[36:28] work for the City of Laguna Nigel and
[36:29] the County of Orange in the planning
[36:31] departments um so I'm very familiar with
[36:33] infill and compatibility and some of the
[36:36] challenges that come along with infill
[36:38] developments um and the project that we
[36:40] have before us tonight is is is
[36:43] something that is a result of um the
[36:48] housing overlay and the state housing
[36:51] element and uh city of city of
[36:54] Hawthorne's General plan uh housing
[36:56] element updates so forth that have come
[36:58] on but again we're looking at it from a
[37:01] standpoint for Quality development and
[37:04] quality from a quality Builder um the
[37:06] slide in front of you are two recent
[37:08] projects that Malia Holmes has
[37:09] constructed one is in the city of
[37:11] Gardina uh the top two photos are those
[37:13] of the city of Gardina or Moneta Point
[37:15] project that was 84 homes um on an old
[37:20] ironically enough a nursery site uh that
[37:23] existed in Gardina um the bottom the
[37:25] bottom two photos before you are uh what
[37:28] the city of Anaheim again three-story
[37:31] row Town Homes home ownership um you see
[37:35] uh kind of the front entry the Poo as
[37:37] well as the landscape and the right
[37:39] photo is that of something similar to
[37:42] what to what we're proposing here for
[37:43] Recreation Area some shelter some play
[37:46] space and some outdoor tables and a
[37:48] barbecue uh tabletop um for the
[37:51] residents on each site to be able to
[37:53] enjoy there's one proposed on both of
[37:55] those and I'll I'll get into that a
[37:56] little bit further
[38:02] as we talked about uh and and staff
[38:05] presented this is the hawthor nursery
[38:07] site uh just a Stones Throw here from
[38:09] City Hall and is it it is um one of the
[38:13] many sites throughout the city that have
[38:15] been selected with the housing overlay
[38:17] um that has D carries a density range of
[38:20] 20 to 30 units per acre um so this site
[38:23] could potentially have up to 94 units on
[38:25] it combined it's about 3 .4 3.3 Acres um
[38:30] we're proposing a total of 68 homes on
[38:33] these um again it's because the homes
[38:36] when they are for sale they need to be
[38:38] marketable they need to be attractive
[38:40] and they need to be have a want for
[38:42] people to come and invest their their
[38:44] their monies and their future with them
[38:45] and we recognize that and we therefore
[38:49] they range in size I'll cover that a
[38:52] little bit further but they range in
[38:53] size of something from one two three and
[38:56] four bedroom homes um two car garages
[38:59] two car garages with Tandem and single
[39:01] car garages but every home has a has an
[39:03] attached garage with it with direct
[39:06] access into the house into their
[39:08] personal house um the nursery site was
[39:12] selected um by the city as a part of it
[39:15] and we uh were contacted um they reached
[39:19] out various Brokers reached out to Malia
[39:22] homes see if we're interested in it um
[39:24] and uh we put some information and uh
[39:28] obviously a plan together uh make sure
[39:30] it works economically that it chased the
[39:32] level of of uh of quality um and uh and
[39:36] we're we decided to move forward with
[39:39] it um again this is a result of the uh
[39:43] General plan it's a result of the
[39:45] housing overlay and it's a result of the
[39:47] state as uh as Mr mlan has mentioned um
[39:51] but it also follows the adopted mixed
[39:55] use and multif family govern guidelines
[39:57] the objective guidelines that the city
[39:59] has adopted to make sure it has ample
[40:01] parking to make sure that is set back
[40:03] proper distances to make sure that it's
[40:05] designed properly um we have uh we have
[40:09] included all of that with
[40:12] it
[40:13] so as been as has been indicated U the
[40:18] what's before you tonight is the
[40:19] subdivision of this property the
[40:22] subdivision is required in order for the
[40:24] project to be for sale um we have to go
[40:27] go through the department of real estate
[40:28] State of California process condo maps
[40:32] and they need to be related to a map
[40:34] process if if we were to build rental
[40:37] units or build apartments or proposed to
[40:40] build apartments on this property we
[40:42] wouldn't be here tonight the fact that
[40:44] this is for sale and we're asking for
[40:46] the subdivision map to be approved is
[40:49] that this is a for sale project and not
[40:51] something that is for
[40:54] rent the site itself as I said is a
[40:57] little over three acres and could
[40:59] potentially have up to 94 units on it
[41:02] based upon the housing overlay density
[41:07] allowances the map is providing for
[41:10] easement dedications to increase the
[41:13] parkway widths around all perimeter of
[41:16] the site meaning the sidewalks will be
[41:17] improved with a six- foot sidewalk and a
[41:19] 4-ft landscape planter outside of the
[41:22] perimeter walls um with the exception of
[41:24] 129th Street where that street and
[41:27] Parkway are currently fairly narrow and
[41:30] the current Parkway is 7 ft That
[41:33] Sidewalk will be improved to a full
[41:35] width 7 foot sidewalk with planter Wells
[41:39] for trees to be planted every 50 feet on
[41:42] Center um up at the elevation of 129th
[41:45] Street along what would be the southerly
[41:47] boundary of this of this project
[42:06] and again as staff has pointed out
[42:07] although not subject of the
[42:09] discretionary action before you tonight
[42:12] um I thought that it would be a good
[42:14] idea to present to the Planning
[42:16] Commission a little bit greater detail
[42:18] of the project that we are proposing
[42:21] with the pro with the subdivision map
[42:23] and what it would look like how it will
[42:25] live and some of the amenities and the
[42:27] thought that has gone behind it um I
[42:29] would like to add that I'm a little bit
[42:32] surprised by the turnout of the
[42:34] residents that are behind
[42:38] me back when we initially started
[42:41] looking at this property in January
[42:43] February earlier this year um part of
[42:46] our due diligence research is I send out
[42:49] letters to all property owners that are
[42:53] directly and this may be a little bit of
[42:56] the confusion side the property owners
[42:58] that are directly adjacent to or
[43:00] directly across from the project area to
[43:03] solicit input to solicit comments to
[43:06] provide for them some basic information
[43:09] about what we are proposing to do um and
[43:12] that all goes in line with me talking
[43:14] with the city staff and and and
[43:17] understanding what the regulations are
[43:19] but I reached out and I'll go into this
[43:21] in Greater detail if we want to discuss
[43:23] about the Outreach that was done on this
[43:26] but it started in February um I had uh
[43:29] multiple calls and discussions with many
[43:32] neighbors mostly generated from manner
[43:35] Drive uh directly to the west of the
[43:37] site of lot one of the proposed
[43:40] subdivision um lot two I only heard from
[43:43] one resident um on the north side of 129
[43:46] or the South side of 129th Street above
[43:48] the site um so I'm I'm surprised by I I
[43:52] been shared with some of the emails and
[43:54] information and so forth uh regarding
[43:56] some of the concern
[43:57] and I hope that this will help alleviate
[43:59] some of those concerns with the uh with
[44:02] me showing you the plans as they go
[44:04] through so what you're looking at is a
[44:06] conceptual landscape plan uh for the
[44:09] project um it has interior PES as you
[44:13] can see uh many places between buildings
[44:16] it's a little bit small but tucked away
[44:18] on the right side of your screen um the
[44:22] bottom right hand corner is an area
[44:24] dedicated to an outdoor Turf play area
[44:26] for small children that's where the uh
[44:29] at trellis uh shade structure would be
[44:31] provided with some outdoor barbecue
[44:33] areas and some tables um bike racks and
[44:36] so forth as well um the South site has
[44:39] much of the same it's more of a central
[44:41] location on the south site right in the
[44:43] center of the project is where you see
[44:45] the turf green um there's sitting
[44:47] benches there's landscaping and again
[44:49] it's a shade structure with a barbecue
[44:51] outdoor dining area for future residents
[44:58] one of the things I want to point to as
[45:00] a result of my meetings with the
[45:02] homeowners on Manor Drive is I'm going
[45:05] to back up for a second because you're
[45:06] going to see an arrow pop up on the
[45:08] North on the west Edge on the west Edge
[45:11] the landscaping that's being placed or
[45:13] proposed along this Edge is proposed to
[45:16] be well it is on this plan is an
[45:18] evergreen type of tree more of a
[45:20] vertical type of tree um that would Pro
[45:23] and we've spaced them much tighter
[45:24] together than other places around the
[45:27] site and that again is for the Privacy
[45:29] uh and protection of privacy to the
[45:31] existing homeowners along Manor Drive
[45:33] and that occurs both on the west Edge
[45:35] where the arrow is shown as well as here
[45:37] on the North edge of it um where we've
[45:39] taken that that proposed landscape and
[45:42] condensed it down so it creates a uh a
[45:45] much nicer a denser screen so to speak
[45:47] for uh for privacy the homes that are
[45:51] proposed are three story in height um
[45:54] they're about 38 ft total height to the
[45:56] pitched roof it's not a flat roof um but
[45:59] they are uh three-story in height so
[46:02] there would be bedrooms up on the third
[46:04] level there are no outdoor decks there
[46:07] are no outdoor roof decks on the third
[46:09] level nor the roof but there are decks
[46:11] um from the primary living area off the
[46:14] living room at the second story so these
[46:17] trees um while they'll go in rather
[46:20] young um we would be willing to put them
[46:23] in at A Min at a at a 12ft minimum
[46:25] height upon installation um that's
[46:27] something I discussed with the neighbors
[46:28] in my meetings with them uh earlier or I
[46:31] guess early last
[46:33] month the site plans for each of the
[46:36] sites uh staff showed you a portion of
[46:39] these um this is the layout the
[46:42] circulation that's proposed um I wanted
[46:44] to highlight there's 35 units on on the
[46:49] uh South site and there's with parking
[46:53] the total of I'm sorry 38 units on the
[46:55] south site with total of 74 parking
[46:57] stalls there's 35 units on the North
[47:00] portion of the site with uh with the
[47:02] resulting 72 parking stalls and again
[47:05] this is each home has an enclosed
[47:07] two-car garage the one-bedroom unit has
[47:10] a onecar enclosed garage but there are
[47:12] also as noted in the staff report or on
[47:15] the plans um open parking stalls
[47:17] dedicated to guest parking and so forth
[47:19] and I want to get to your question and
[47:21] and respond to that later on about
[47:23] parking and ccnr as and homeowners
[47:25] association and so forth
[47:27] um there are four different floor plans
[47:30] and those four floor plans that are
[47:32] proposed are configured in si six
[47:34] different buildings so it's not a
[47:36] repetitive uh building over and over and
[47:38] over again there is some unique uh
[47:40] characteristics to each of the buildings
[47:42] with articulation and design for each of
[47:46] them um both of these Lots uh
[47:51] individually and collectively exceed the
[47:53] minimum number of parking spaces that
[47:55] are required by your code um within the
[47:58] city and the floor plans range anywhere
[48:01] between 986 Square ft up to,
[48:04] 19922 square feet for the four-bedroom
[48:08] unit elevation wise uh I'm showing you a
[48:12] a proposed material and uh color board
[48:17] um illustrating the proposed building
[48:19] types this is shown building type
[48:21] a um that uh with the colors that are
[48:26] intended to be cohesive create breakup
[48:28] of mass um and complimentary color
[48:31] palette um with trim contrasts uh to add
[48:34] depth and so forth to the
[48:38] design the next this slide and the next
[48:41] one are this is a building type c um
[48:44] it's all cohesive they're not
[48:45] individually unique but they are all
[48:47] different um types A through F of the
[48:49] buildings they just have different unit
[48:51] uh configurations uh making them each
[48:55] building labeled as they
[48:57] are and this is building type
[49:02] f the next slide is showing you
[49:06] basically a street scene from elsag
[49:08] gundo Boulevard um the top photo is that
[49:11] looking West the bottom photo is that
[49:12] looking East and we've had uh our
[49:16] architect provide some perspectives of
[49:19] what that may look like in the future if
[49:22] the project uh ultimately goes forward
[49:24] as it's currently designed
[49:27] and this is elsag gundo Boulevard
[49:29] looking towards the West so gravelia
[49:32] Street if I pronounce that properly and
[49:34] I hope so um is there shown on the right
[49:38] side uh that's the intersection of
[49:40] gravelia and elsag gundo Boulevard and
[49:44] uh the fire station would be directly to
[49:46] the right side of the photo perspective
[49:48] location this is the proposed project
[49:51] looking East um along elaga Boulevard
[49:55] the street to the left is uh that of
[49:59] Manor drive on the left hand
[50:03] side different per different perspective
[50:06] this is the gravelia street Frontage and
[50:09] I always try to screen back landscaping
[50:11] or have the architect screen back
[50:12] Landscaping in this so that I'm not
[50:14] hiding the building um it's not
[50:16] something that if you if I can show all
[50:19] the greencape and so forth and you won't
[50:20] see what's behind
[50:22] it same thing for this is at the Manor
[50:25] or looking towards The Manor
[50:28] intersection uh from uh from elun to
[50:33] Boulevard again uh I thank you for your
[50:36] time I do ask for your approval of this
[50:38] project tonight um of the vest intended
[50:41] of track map it has the result of a
[50:44] landing in a for sale project as opposed
[50:46] to Apartments if we were to go away
[50:48] there's a potentially other buyers that
[50:50] would come in that would look to do
[50:52] Apartments here and they have the
[50:53] ability to do that by right um we're
[50:56] we're wanting to and asking for your
[50:58] approval to move forward with the
[50:59] subdivision map so that we can develop
[51:02] and invest into the City and create
[51:04] pride of ownership in the city like many
[51:05] of these homeowners here have me and
[51:07] their concerns is a result of them
[51:11] having pride in where they live and
[51:13] having invested economic interest in it
[51:16] um we are trying to create more
[51:18] opportunity for more residents of hathor
[51:20] to have that same ownership
[51:24] capabilities um we have read the
[51:26] condition of approval and I'm uh and we
[51:29] are accepting of them and again I ask
[51:30] for your affirmative approval tonight
[51:34] thank you you thank you go ahead just G
[51:40] to claric yeah questions of a go go for
[51:43] I just want to you said four you I'm not
[51:45] sure if this was an accident or not or a
[51:47] mistake you said four bedrooms I thought
[51:49] it was only up to three bedrooms no
[51:51] there's a there's a four bedom unit
[51:53] there four bom there's one two three and
[51:55] four bedroom units it's lower in there's
[51:57] less of the four bedrooms but yes there
[51:59] is a four-bedroom unit the 1922 foot is
[52:02] a four-bedroom unit yes okay I was
[52:04] unaware of that go ahead got
[52:08] umle questions just um as we've
[52:12] mentioned as far as these projects go
[52:14] you have these uh these drawings that
[52:15] you presented to us here today um in
[52:17] your past projects have you seen much
[52:20] variation between what you present
[52:21] versus what ends up being
[52:24] constructed the answer to that is no
[52:27] because as what we what we do is we've
[52:29] based all of our research all of our due
[52:31] diligence and all of our designs based
[52:33] upon work that gets us to this point
[52:35] today for us to go back and change would
[52:38] be a a drastic move um and something
[52:41] that we quite frankly don't want to do
[52:43] we want to build the project that we've
[52:45] designed and and are wanting to stand
[52:47] behind and put before you tonight got
[52:49] you apprciate
[52:51] it um from breaking ground till end of
[52:54] project is it going in phases like how
[52:56] long do you think total it would be
[52:58] under construction so the phasing of the
[53:01] project is somewhat tough to tough to
[53:04] describe because it is Market dependent
[53:07] um but essentially from the time we bake
[53:10] break ground to the time that we might
[53:12] start the first vertical construction of
[53:14] model homes that would be viewed for
[53:16] sales is probably six months of ground
[53:20] grading infrastructure Improvement sewer
[53:23] water storm drain um and things of that
[53:25] nature and then we would start the
[53:26] vertical construction for the model
[53:28] homes um and each home each home phase
[53:32] takes approximately four to seven months
[53:36] to
[53:37] complete and if sales go well we would
[53:40] overlap in some areas uh so that time
[53:42] frame could be
[53:44] condensed but from initial construction
[53:47] beginning to buildout would be probably
[53:50] approximately two years the number of
[53:53] phases that we have placed in this is a
[53:55] model home phase phase which is on the
[53:58] south site and four construction phases
[54:01] thank
[54:02] you sorry I did have a couple one more
[54:05] questions where I know you mentioned you
[54:06] were going to go into a bit more detail
[54:08] about the notification of the residents
[54:10] yeah so um I notic you mentioned you
[54:12] said you started doing reach out to the
[54:14] residents in about February so I was
[54:16] just wondering when you when did you
[54:19] meet with this city that you got the
[54:21] idea that hey this was something we're
[54:22] going to move forward with I want to
[54:24] know the diff like how long it was
[54:26] between you spoke with the city and said
[54:28] hey this is something we're going to
[54:29] move forward with before you actually
[54:30] reached out to the first set of
[54:32] residents oh we reached we reached out
[54:34] to the residents prior to um prior to
[54:39] any formal application being submitted
[54:41] with the city okay and and if I can show
[54:44] you
[54:45] me so in in January and basically I
[54:50] think it was like January 20th 27th or
[54:53] so is it for this year or is it yes this
[54:55] year okay I just 2024 okay um is what
[54:58] you're seeing on your screen I know you
[55:00] can't read it but I've seen them many of
[55:02] them have them in their hands tonight um
[55:04] is a letter introduction letter of Malia
[55:07] Holmes introducing us our project and a
[55:11] basic layout much and much hasn't
[55:13] changed from January where we initially
[55:15] started a due diligence in a layout it's
[55:17] gotten more detailed if anything um but
[55:21] so the initial letter had a description
[55:23] of the project the number of homes that
[55:25] were being proposed that would they were
[55:27] for sale please reach out and contact me
[55:29] if you have any comments or concerns um
[55:33] the mailing list that I went out to
[55:36] is the sites are shown in yellow um all
[55:40] the properties where you see the little
[55:42] red dots were the property owners were
[55:45] my letter went to it doesn't have
[55:47] anything to do with the 300 foot radius
[55:49] mailing list that is uh required by law
[55:52] for public notice and public
[55:54] hearings so as a result of my letter I
[55:58] received phone calls from approximately
[56:00] seven to eight people um only one person
[56:03] on 129th his name was Richard Dragon is
[56:06] is what I took down um and I believe he
[56:09] lived almost directly Center behind it
[56:11] on 129th um most of the residents that I
[56:14] heard from were those located on Manor
[56:17] Drive and so in uh what you see that's
[56:21] highlighted yellow I'm giving you raw
[56:23] data right this is right off my computer
[56:25] um so I had a meeting we scheduled a
[56:28] meeting and uh met with the uh residents
[56:31] and the they organized their meeting for
[56:34] me were kind enough to invite me into
[56:35] their house um Mr oros baked cookies and
[56:39] goods and we we spent about two hours
[56:42] together um reviewing the proposed plans
[56:45] um I know that they had some concerns
[56:47] I've I hope that I've Al alleviated
[56:49] those with parking and with the
[56:51] landscape proposals to protect their
[56:53] views um but what you see highlighted in
[56:56] yellow are those that had sent this
[56:57] letter to that were also in attendance
[56:59] at that meeting okay on June 11th oh got
[57:03] gotcha
[57:04] okay I can provide to you in the future
[57:07] uh this is the this is a
[57:09] chronological uh basically synopsis of
[57:12] all the contact that I had um that's
[57:15] there on the left and the comment uh the
[57:19] the June 11th 2024 on the right hand
[57:22] side is basically a summary of the
[57:24] takeaway from that meeting that we had
[57:26] in June and then there's the sign-in
[57:28] sheet that's shown at the very bottom
[57:30] where the where the neighbors were uh in
[57:33] case we wanted to contact each other and
[57:35] so forth and I did I sent out a thank
[57:36] you letter following that um then it
[57:40] gets into other stuff in case other
[57:41] questions but I have I wanted to have
[57:43] this for reference appreciate it as well
[57:45] thank you um commissioner Cohen you also
[57:47] had a question that you'd mentioned
[57:49] about the parking the garages if there
[57:52] if it's well if we could encourage some
[57:55] type of parking agreement you also
[57:56] mentioned it was going to be an HOA yes
[57:59] is there going to be a well let's start
[58:01] with the parking agreement um would you
[58:05] be up for that to have a parking
[58:08] agreement within that Association just
[58:10] to make sure there's no conflict
[58:12] between uh homeowners and so forth
[58:15] because it can be a problem later is
[58:17] what we have as a standard and I would
[58:20] accept as would accept as a condition is
[58:24] that the cc&rs
[58:26] that would be created for this project
[58:29] every homeowners association is
[58:31] basically bound and operated by Covenant
[58:34] conditions and restrictions
[58:35] cc&rs and that's part of the Dr process
[58:38] of of creating town homes and selling
[58:41] them um individually the ccrs our
[58:45] standard ccnr that's why I wanted to
[58:47] bring it up our standard ccrs have
[58:49] requirements in them that stipulates
[58:53] that garages if it's a two-car garage
[58:55] they're required Park two cars in it
[58:57] that can't be blocked for storage or
[58:59] other things if it's a onecar garage
[59:01] that one car space needs to be provided
[59:03] for a vehicle inside of it not not for
[59:06] boxes and storage and everything else so
[59:09] I mean it is a standard and I'm I'm
[59:11] happy to if you I stipulate that uh that
[59:15] our cc&rs will require that garages be
[59:17] used for parking of vehicles and not for
[59:19] storage okay well my concern actually
[59:22] really is besides the spaces in side the
[59:27] garage I'm really concerned about the
[59:29] outside parking because it's always a
[59:33] problem um if there can be in your ccnr
[59:38] not the bylaws not into the rules either
[59:40] because rules can always be changed but
[59:42] I'm actually talking about the actual
[59:43] ccnr itself if you can maybe put some
[59:47] I'm so sorry oh my God after we told
[59:54] everybody um
[59:57] it was actually on silent I don't know
[59:59] what
[59:59] happened
[1:00:01] um so anyways if it can be in the cc&rs
[1:00:05] it'll be greatly appreciated something
[1:00:07] to the fact of the parking spaces that
[1:00:09] are outside they could maybe get maybe a
[1:00:12] 2 point what is what's the calculation
[1:00:15] is it 1.75 or something like that the
[1:00:18] calculation for parking spaces something
[1:00:21] basically saying every homeowner can get
[1:00:26] two
[1:00:27] well it's going to be kind of difficult
[1:00:30] here because you said that some of the
[1:00:32] homes only have
[1:00:35] one car garage correct the one-bedroom
[1:00:38] units have a one car garage correct
[1:00:42] okay if it can stipulate something to
[1:00:45] the fact of
[1:00:48] 2 s or something like that or 2.3
[1:00:52] parking
[1:00:53] spaces belongs to each home
[1:00:57] owner and
[1:00:59] 13 or whatever to also the one and the
[1:01:04] reason why I'm saying that is because if
[1:01:07] there is an
[1:01:08] overflow every resident can actually get
[1:01:11] a parking space outside and I'm actually
[1:01:13] using points and I know it's like why
[1:01:15] don't you just round it up I get that
[1:01:18] but it's better if you just do a point
[1:01:20] where everybody or every resident has a
[1:01:23] right to park outside
[1:01:27] they do an extra parking space if they
[1:01:29] need it after using the two-part garage
[1:01:31] I'm just kind of recommending
[1:01:33] that if that makes any sense that's well
[1:01:35] that's the purpose of the open parking
[1:01:37] stalls that are provided on each of the
[1:01:39] sites as it is okay well because I it's
[1:01:42] exceeding it's exceeding the city's
[1:01:44] standard requirements of parking by
[1:01:47] providing the open parking spaces
[1:01:49] outside of the garage correct I know
[1:01:51] that I I I do understand that but I'm
[1:01:54] just saying it'll just help at viate
[1:01:56] resident against resident and then them
[1:01:59] putting rules out and then it's going to
[1:02:01] create chaos within the community for
[1:02:04] parking trust me I know that for a fact
[1:02:07] uh when it goes with HOAs if that makes
[1:02:09] any sense am I making sense here yes but
[1:02:10] I think you're you're deviating pretty
[1:02:12] far from a subdivision map well I know I
[1:02:16] was just asking if he I'm just giving a
[1:02:18] recommendation an encouragement you
[1:02:20] don't have to do that but it just
[1:02:22] alleviates a lot of problems all of the
[1:02:26] ccnr that are adopted throughout the
[1:02:29] city are reviewed by the city um
[1:02:31] attorney's office and we always make
[1:02:34] sure that you know the parking is
[1:02:36] addressed in there and that in this case
[1:02:38] they have Surplus parking per def code
[1:02:41] definition so the issues that you're
[1:02:43] raising may not even be happening here
[1:02:47] other very rare that anybody builds a
[1:02:49] development with Surplus parking and I
[1:02:51] think in those other examples that
[1:02:53] you're familiar with the reason there's
[1:02:55] disputes between the residents is
[1:02:57] because there's not as much parking as
[1:02:59] this one has can I can I ask you a
[1:03:01] question yeah this is this development
[1:03:04] sounds very similar to me like 360 and
[1:03:06] fusion that are in Hawthorne could you
[1:03:08] tell me the comparisons to this project
[1:03:11] versus those of of kind of what just so
[1:03:14] we can get an idea because I I live
[1:03:16] basically on either side of those yeah
[1:03:17] um I'm not as familiar with Fusion 360
[1:03:20] was developed with a mix of uh apartment
[1:03:23] flats that are condos but they they like
[1:03:26] you know multiple floors and each unit
[1:03:29] has is just on one floor and town homes
[1:03:32] this one is all town homes so they're a
[1:03:34] little bit different in that regard um I
[1:03:36] cannot speak to the parking at this time
[1:03:38] because I would have to go back and
[1:03:39] review the old but I I don't recall them
[1:03:42] providing excess parking for for those
[1:03:45] projects I think they were built to code
[1:03:47] okay thank
[1:03:50] you okay were there any other questions
[1:03:52] of the applicant
[1:03:55] oh no yeah no none from the not for the
[1:03:59] Commissioners well on the there's
[1:04:01] there's only gonna be one entrance on
[1:04:02] that other side correct you said there's
[1:04:04] only going to be one entrance to the
[1:04:06] South side which is lot two of the map
[1:04:09] yes there's there's a single entrance
[1:04:11] off of uh elsag Gunda
[1:04:14] Boulevard and that was by
[1:04:17] Design okay well one I just I mean I
[1:04:20] know we haven't made a decision yet but
[1:04:22] I do thank
[1:04:23] you um for
[1:04:26] actually it seems like this project was
[1:04:28] really thought out instead of you
[1:04:30] building 94 homes you actually
[1:04:33] considered to do 60 something eight
[1:04:38] uh 68 homes correct which is
[1:04:41] appreciated
[1:04:43] um and it's also for sale not for rent
[1:04:47] which is also a
[1:04:49] plus
[1:04:50] um I would hold all your thank yous
[1:04:52] because we got a lot of well no no no no
[1:04:54] I'm just saying that there are some pros
[1:04:57] here that he could have had it I
[1:05:00] understand Apartments so basically you
[1:05:02] know we want to put people also in homes
[1:05:04] as well that's something that we want to
[1:05:06] also encourage I understand I'm just
[1:05:08] saying we still have the public that's
[1:05:09] going to make their comments before you
[1:05:12] yeah okay but
[1:05:14] um that is it for
[1:05:17] me thank you very much okay so is there
[1:05:21] anyone else who wishes to address the
[1:05:23] commission on this issue this would be
[1:05:26] everyone's time yeah please make a line
[1:05:28] in the
[1:05:32] midle hello uh my name is Fred ovadia I
[1:05:37] own the property on
[1:05:39] 4555 West 29th Street which is on the
[1:05:44] boundary of uh one of the uh the
[1:05:48] southern part of of of the lot that's
[1:05:50] going to be from uh 15 lots to
[1:05:53] two um so I I have some concerns one I
[1:05:58] never received a letter that said by uh
[1:06:03] uh millia homes so I never received that
[1:06:06] letter and I'm on the boundary uh I
[1:06:09] don't live at the property I rent that
[1:06:12] property out so maybe that's why I
[1:06:13] didn't get the L okay um I'm concerned
[1:06:19] since I'm at the boundary of the
[1:06:21] height uh so I mean he's he's doing
[1:06:26] uh three stories high so that's going to
[1:06:29] block uh Sunshine that's coming in from
[1:06:32] the
[1:06:33] East um that's another concern and then
[1:06:37] the traffic you know I didn't see any
[1:06:40] traffic light on elsag gundo Boulevard
[1:06:43] that's a very you know uh heavy used uh
[1:06:48] Boulevard there's a lot of traffic
[1:06:50] that's going on and if people wants to
[1:06:52] make for example a turn
[1:06:55] uh from like a left turn going into the
[1:06:58] South Side that's uh that's you know
[1:07:03] it's very dangerous so that's another
[1:07:05] thing
[1:07:08] um and
[1:07:10] then the parking space okay you know
[1:07:13] let's consider a holiday okay or a
[1:07:15] weekend people coming in and visiting uh
[1:07:21] families in that uh
[1:07:23] neighborhood there is not going to be
[1:07:25] enough paring spaces for
[1:07:28] them
[1:07:30] so um those are the three areas that I
[1:07:33] have concerns
[1:07:35] on and it would have been very nice you
[1:07:39] know I mean he he said only one person
[1:07:41] on the southern side of the lot uh
[1:07:44] basically you know called him well maybe
[1:07:47] because you know I didn't get the letter
[1:07:50] and I'm sure other people didn't get the
[1:07:52] letter as
[1:07:53] well thank you before
[1:07:55] U what was your name one more time red
[1:07:59] ovadia oov V A A gotcha thank you we we
[1:08:02] have your email thank you Fred thank you
[1:08:05] we thank you so much appreciate
[1:08:09] it I have three minutes thank you hello
[1:08:12] my name is isala I live at 4490 West 129
[1:08:17] Street my first issue is this letter
[1:08:19] that we got we literally got it last
[1:08:20] Monday and it's postmarked for the 22nd
[1:08:24] and on here it says any comments had to
[1:08:26] be submitted on June 5th of
[1:08:30] 2023 even if it was June 5th of 2024
[1:08:33] this thing is postmarked on the 22nd to
[1:08:37] be here on on this date right so that
[1:08:40] that's my issue I mean you you want me
[1:08:42] to trust a public study that's done when
[1:08:44] this doesn't even have the right correct
[1:08:46] dates on it it's kind of unacceptable
[1:08:49] the second thing is they want to widen
[1:08:51] the the street or the sidewalk on 129th
[1:08:54] if you've ever been on 129th that's a
[1:08:56] very narrow Street I've already lost two
[1:08:59] side mirrors on my truck because of
[1:09:01] people using 129th when traffic is
[1:09:04] really bad on elaga Boulevard everybody
[1:09:06] use our street and I'm telling you
[1:09:08] they're going 60 70 miles an hour and
[1:09:10] I'm not joking you can ask some of my
[1:09:12] neighbors that's how fast people are
[1:09:13] going so by narrowing the street I don't
[1:09:17] even let my kids play in my front yard
[1:09:18] because it's so dangerous I have to back
[1:09:20] into my driveway because I don't want to
[1:09:22] pull out because I've already gotone in
[1:09:24] one accident also a construction site of
[1:09:26] this size it's going to be ridiculous on
[1:09:29] the amount of traffic on Elo Boulevard
[1:09:31] they're going to be using our street and
[1:09:33] trust me I'm a reasonable person I
[1:09:35] bought my house 13 years ago I used to
[1:09:37] be able to look out my uh kitchen window
[1:09:40] and see the mountains now all I see is
[1:09:42] the neon lights of a Courtyard Marriott
[1:09:45] which I'm okay with right that it we
[1:09:47] need uh more buildings in this city but
[1:09:50] I've tried calling somebody to talk to
[1:09:52] this about this letter and I never got a
[1:09:54] call back I left a message
[1:09:55] so I just think a project of this size
[1:09:58] in a residential area such as ours
[1:10:00] street it's just going to be a nightmare
[1:10:02] it's going to be a nightmare for two
[1:10:04] years for us with noise of construction
[1:10:07] everything that's going on with traffic
[1:10:10] it's going to be a mess and I know
[1:10:12] there's a parking lot at the end of our
[1:10:13] block but if you've ever been to that
[1:10:16] parking lot my kids call it Zombie Land
[1:10:18] because of all the transients and
[1:10:19] everybody that's walking around that
[1:10:21] parking lot's not safe at all there's an
[1:10:23] abandoned building at the end of our
[1:10:24] property or at the end of our block
[1:10:26] where like the police department has had
[1:10:27] to go in there and clear out transients
[1:10:29] I think last week there was a transient
[1:10:31] that died in that building so with you
[1:10:33] bringing that many more people into our
[1:10:35] our neighborhood it's going to be a
[1:10:36] nightmare they're saying there going to
[1:10:38] be four bedroom apartments or condos
[1:10:40] there with a two g a twocc car garage
[1:10:43] where are those other two cars going to
[1:10:46] be if it's four adults living in that
[1:10:47] building they're going to have to park
[1:10:48] in our neighborhood we already have a
[1:10:50] shortage of parking so that parking is
[1:10:52] going to be a major issue cuz they're
[1:10:54] not going to be able to park on elsaa
[1:10:57] Boulevard because that's a huge thare
[1:10:59] right they're going to have to go into
[1:11:00] our neighborhood so I just want you to
[1:11:02] realize that that a building of this
[1:11:04] size is going to be just destroy our
[1:11:06] neighborhood okay I'm sorry what was
[1:11:08] your name ISM Tava is Tava t a v r a do
[1:11:14] you mind can I do you mind handing me
[1:11:16] that you can have this copy I took I
[1:11:17] appreciate
[1:11:18] it
[1:11:20] this yeah sure Maria can you use yeah
[1:11:24] Maria can you grab it
[1:11:26] I did
[1:11:32] was you thank
[1:11:35] you one second hi um my name is
[1:11:38] Elizabeth Wilson I live at
[1:11:40] 4590 West 129th Street so um M on this
[1:11:45] map mine is the very last property um to
[1:11:48] the left on the south side and um my
[1:11:51] neighbor came as well um I am not as
[1:11:56] diligent about knowing what's going on
[1:11:58] in the neighborhood but my other
[1:12:00] neighbors are and so I decided to come
[1:12:03] and I made notes I'm excited that it's
[1:12:06] going to be a for sale property um the
[1:12:09] two years of construction is going to be
[1:12:11] tough I think everybody's complained
[1:12:13] about the parking um my concern is
[1:12:16] something that had been said about
[1:12:18] something happening on 129th Street my
[1:12:21] understanding was there was going to be
[1:12:23] a a barrier wall um built on the
[1:12:26] backside of the Southside parking and
[1:12:29] then you mentioned something about the
[1:12:31] street being or the sidewalk so that's
[1:12:33] on the inside is that
[1:12:38] correct
[1:12:40] sorry is it on the inside because I'm
[1:12:42] confused because the street on that
[1:12:45] portion is high is elevated on 129
[1:12:48] clarify all of that at the end of the
[1:12:50] hearing okay sorry um so was that was my
[1:12:53] primary question is that I was very conf
[1:12:55] Fus between what I understood from
[1:12:57] planning and what was said about what's
[1:13:00] happening on the 129 side thank you
[1:13:02] thank
[1:13:04] you okay hello I'm Judy Trill I reside
[1:13:08] at 4500 West 129 Street I've been a
[1:13:12] resident for about 33 years and I'm very
[1:13:16] concerned about the notification that
[1:13:18] was sent out to the public at least to
[1:13:21] the residents that were near I received
[1:13:24] from from my neighbor who resides right
[1:13:27] next door to the nursery information
[1:13:30] about The Melia home project um just
[1:13:34] about two weeks ago um only because we
[1:13:38] were talking and sharing information but
[1:13:41] I reside right across directly across
[1:13:43] the street from her on 129th and I never
[1:13:47] received any information regarding this
[1:13:50] project at all so I understand that they
[1:13:53] want to do the proximity close to the
[1:13:56] area but this impacts all of the
[1:13:58] Neighbors on 129
[1:14:01] street so I'm concerned about that and
[1:14:04] then I had a couple other things um
[1:14:08] incorrect information as was stated by
[1:14:11] um the resident at
[1:14:13] 4490 um was sent to the
[1:14:16] residents with a date I did call and I I
[1:14:20] commented about it to um that the phone
[1:14:24] number that was listed and I was really
[1:14:26] disappointed that we have a June 5th
[1:14:30] when we didn't receive the information
[1:14:32] until after the the 25 the
[1:14:36] 21st of this month or I mean of last
[1:14:39] month for this
[1:14:42] um that's a problem that's incomplete
[1:14:46] information and I was I did a couple
[1:14:50] days later receive a corrected copy but
[1:14:52] this actually doesn't give us much time
[1:14:55] to review any of the reports or anything
[1:14:57] that we can do especially when we don't
[1:15:00] know what is going on in our
[1:15:02] neighborhood I never received any
[1:15:04] information with regard to this um and I
[1:15:10] hate well the other thing was was I kind
[1:15:13] of took a look at some of the
[1:15:15] information and I'm not real clear about
[1:15:17] all of it but when it talks about that
[1:15:20] the study was done from
[1:15:22] 2021 or we have a time period of 20 21
[1:15:25] to 2029 I'm assuming those are the years
[1:15:29] and that's a 9-year period 8year period
[1:15:33] that we have to take a look at and
[1:15:37] traffic already on ala Gunda Boulevard
[1:15:39] if I any of you travel it during uh from
[1:15:43] after 3:00 or after the high school gets
[1:15:45] out traffic is absolutely horrible so
[1:15:49] 129 Street going to um going east to Haw
[1:15:54] Boulevard traffic is
[1:15:57] horrendous I mean it's crazy and as the
[1:15:59] neighbor had stated um they drive really
[1:16:03] fast and so you can't I mean my son has
[1:16:06] has left um but anyway um it just gets
[1:16:10] to be a real problem and it needs to be
[1:16:13] considered and not notifying everybody
[1:16:17] makes it a problem sorry we do have to
[1:16:19] keep everyone at 3 minutes apprciate I
[1:16:20] sorry thank you before and just before
[1:16:23] the next person start I wasn't looking
[1:16:24] behind me is the the counter the timer
[1:16:26] are you running the timer I'm running
[1:16:28] the okay then I can I'm sorry for every
[1:16:29] I keep looking down at my phone CU I
[1:16:31] think I'm doing the timer myself never
[1:16:32] mind okay strch your timer try to talk
[1:16:34] as fast as I can my name is hii Dick
[1:16:37] obashi uh I used to have a b uh Crystal
[1:16:41] Palace Bard it's opposite of kakatu in I
[1:16:44] have a house on man in the middle of
[1:16:46] Manor Drive on the hillside on on the
[1:16:49] west side of the street uh I'm very
[1:16:51] opposed to this project because Manor
[1:16:53] Drive is is very narrow all the traffic
[1:16:57] uh I don't see exact explicitly where
[1:16:59] the where this uh driveway is looks like
[1:17:03] it's on the corners I don't I'm afraid
[1:17:06] that it's not big enough there are cars
[1:17:08] parked on both sides of the Manor
[1:17:11] Drive uh I just don't see the
[1:17:15] feasibility of this place at all as
[1:17:19] currently
[1:17:20] configured I'm especially worried about
[1:17:23] Manor Drive in my house and the traffic
[1:17:26] coming in and out of this place the
[1:17:29] 2-year construction site bothers me also
[1:17:32] I live in Gardina uh we almost
[1:17:35] successfully nixed the the the Cocoon
[1:17:38] House now they got a seven story
[1:17:40] building going up and we've got the
[1:17:43] whole our whole neighborhood is dead
[1:17:45] against
[1:17:46] that um there's just too much traffic
[1:17:50] there's just too many buildings it's uh
[1:17:54] uh it's not feasible at all in my
[1:17:57] opinion and I would be against
[1:18:00] it thank you very much thank thank
[1:18:06] you hi my name is David Lind I'm a
[1:18:09] resident at one uh 29th Street 45530
[1:18:13] 129th Street um I just wanted to share
[1:18:16] some of my concerns um so first of all
[1:18:19] uh just to Echo what was said before
[1:18:22] that uh this mailing was confusing it
[1:18:25] created a deadline of
[1:18:27] 2023 uh along along with that I just
[1:18:30] wanted to ask the committee like is this
[1:18:33] actually the last time to submit public
[1:18:35] comments did I did I hear that
[1:18:38] correctly we'll address at the end of
[1:18:40] sorry okay um so um what I would say is
[1:18:43] that like I would if it's possible if
[1:18:45] this is not the last time to submit
[1:18:47] public comments I would like for this
[1:18:48] request that
[1:18:49] this that that we're able to submit
[1:18:52] written comments
[1:18:54] going forward uh you know to basically
[1:18:56] extend the deadline for written comments
[1:18:58] given that this mailing was confusing um
[1:19:02] uh I'd also like to say that uh it
[1:19:05] sounds like that there was some Outreach
[1:19:07] um from Mia homes but we did not receive
[1:19:10] uh the mailing uh and in any event um
[1:19:13] one one representative one person from
[1:19:16] 129th giving feedback is probably not
[1:19:19] sufficient um for the developer to you
[1:19:22] know I just don't think that's enough of
[1:19:23] a sample size
[1:19:25] um I'd like to also say that uh you know
[1:19:28] I want to Echo some of the concerns
[1:19:30] about traffic um and the safety of 129th
[1:19:33] Street um people do speed regularly they
[1:19:36] use it as a substitute East West uh
[1:19:38] conduit in place of elsag gundo I can
[1:19:40] only imagine that if elano is more has
[1:19:42] more traffic that there'll be more true
[1:19:44] in the future um you should consider
[1:19:46] adding speed bumps um the intersection
[1:19:49] of elag gundo I'm sorry 129th Ramona
[1:19:51] Avenue is particularly dangerous because
[1:19:53] of a lack of sight line
[1:19:55] and there's also only a two-way stop you
[1:19:57] should consider putting in a four-way
[1:19:58] stop at that intersection and putting
[1:20:00] additional speed bumps on the Ramona
[1:20:02] Avenue um uh I have some additional
[1:20:06] notes here um just question about the
[1:20:08] extended construction phase um Can the
[1:20:10] city assure existing residents that
[1:20:12] portions of the current parking area
[1:20:14] along 129th Street won't be disrupted
[1:20:16] for an extended period of time uh if
[1:20:19] it's expected that that's going to be
[1:20:20] the case what Provisions will the city
[1:20:22] or the developer do you know provide so
[1:20:25] that we are not parking blocks away
[1:20:27] parking is already an issue safety is
[1:20:29] already an issue I should also point out
[1:20:31] that that street that sidewalk is used
[1:20:33] by dozens of high school students and
[1:20:36] you know people use that to actually
[1:20:38] walk so there are definitely safety
[1:20:40] considerations uh and lastly I want to
[1:20:42] Echo the concerns about um overflow from
[1:20:45] this uh development like we have
[1:20:47] difficulty parking already um I'd like
[1:20:50] to know if there's going to be permit
[1:20:51] parking or something like that
[1:20:52] considered um so
[1:20:55] that's all I got thank you thank
[1:21:04] you is
[1:21:06] on hi I'm Kim Lind you just met my
[1:21:08] husband um so one second so I can
[1:21:14] reset okay I'm good you go okay Kim Lind
[1:21:17] you just spent my husband we're at 4530
[1:21:19] West 129th we are right across the
[1:21:21] street from this project and I'm sorry
[1:21:24] that I'm redundant I sit on a dis often
[1:21:26] and I know how boring it can get when
[1:21:29] you hear the same thing over and over
[1:21:30] again but I also know that sometimes
[1:21:31] hearing it over and over again actually
[1:21:33] makes an impact so um parking is an
[1:21:35] issue on 129th already with only um 60
[1:21:38] spots for 68 units while that may be
[1:21:42] better than code I can tell you right
[1:21:44] now we don't have 2.3 spots per resident
[1:21:48] on 129th right now I would love that um
[1:21:51] I often uh get home late from work and
[1:21:53] have to park BL walks away so when
[1:21:57] holidays happen when people have guests
[1:21:58] over where do you think that parking's
[1:22:00] going it's going on 129th where there's
[1:22:02] already a pretty significant parking
[1:22:03] issue and that lot at the end doesn't
[1:22:05] allow for overnight parking so I'm just
[1:22:08] something will have to be done with this
[1:22:11] development going in to um take care of
[1:22:13] the current residents who've chosen to
[1:22:15] live here we've been living here for 14
[1:22:17] years so we would just ask that you
[1:22:18] would take care of us as well as your
[1:22:20] new residents um permit parking
[1:22:23] certainly would be an answer on 129th um
[1:22:26] certainly narrowing the street is a
[1:22:28] concern when I go to my car in the
[1:22:30] morning people come screaming through at
[1:22:34] 50 40 50 miles per hour and if you if
[1:22:37] there's no stoplight coming out of that
[1:22:39] um that new uh development what they're
[1:22:43] going to do is they're going to turn
[1:22:44] right on Elsa gundo turn right on
[1:22:46] Hawthorne turn right on 129th and just
[1:22:49] join the rest of the barrage of cars
[1:22:51] that we get in the morning um I too have
[1:22:54] had Dam done to my car I think everybody
[1:22:55] who lives on that street who's had to
[1:22:57] park on the street has so I would just
[1:23:00] say like traffic I don't know if there's
[1:23:01] been a traffic study done I would
[1:23:03] certainly appreciate knowing where that
[1:23:04] is because it certainly should I'm
[1:23:06] guessing it did because I think it's
[1:23:08] required um I also would like to know
[1:23:09] where the SQL study is and the
[1:23:11] environmental study was done um I would
[1:23:13] like to know where those are posted so
[1:23:14] that we can make sure that we as
[1:23:16] residents can take a look at that
[1:23:17] because you are replacing green space
[1:23:19] with Hardscape um and and and I I just
[1:23:22] want to be aware of what the impact of
[1:23:24] that is
[1:23:27] um uh let's see Landscaping so I know
[1:23:30] there's a retaining wall going up on
[1:23:32] 129th Street I would also just ask that
[1:23:34] you consider Landscaping in that area so
[1:23:37] we're not looking at an ugly wall um
[1:23:39] from our uh from our view and then also
[1:23:42] I just I do want you to understand that
[1:23:45] similar to what the gentleman Shar
[1:23:46] before we used to have a view of the
[1:23:47] mountains that's one of the reasons we
[1:23:48] bought our house we can actually see the
[1:23:50] Hollywood Sign from our house and now
[1:23:52] we'll be looking in someone's bedroom or
[1:23:53] apparently onto their porch so I just
[1:23:56] what I would ask the Planning Commission
[1:23:58] to to consider is you have residents who
[1:24:02] already live here and we're just asking
[1:24:04] for the same thoughtfulness and care
[1:24:06] that you're thinking of as you think
[1:24:08] about putting new residents in um and
[1:24:11] making sure that we are also taken care
[1:24:13] of um because we've been here for a long
[1:24:15] time and we would love to stay um but
[1:24:19] that's all I have to say thanks thank
[1:24:23] you hi
[1:24:24] I I'm Ross sodachi I represent hawthor
[1:24:27] Nursery I'm representing them in terms
[1:24:29] of this Association and dealing with
[1:24:32] Melia homes um when I talked to the
[1:24:36] family about selling the property I told
[1:24:37] them that with the housing overlay they
[1:24:39] could go up to 94 units and have
[1:24:41] Apartments but they said no they don't
[1:24:43] want to do that to the community they
[1:24:45] want to keep it down and Malia Malia
[1:24:47] came up with a project of 68 Town Homes
[1:24:50] I I hear a lot of the concerns that
[1:24:52] people have I'm also a developer I've
[1:24:54] heard the all of these concerns before
[1:24:56] in all of the projects these are issues
[1:24:58] to raise with the building department I
[1:25:01] understand what there's a lot of people
[1:25:03] with concerns on 129th Street they're
[1:25:05] talking about the block wall they want
[1:25:06] it to be landscaped they want speed
[1:25:08] bumps they're talking about people
[1:25:09] speeding so we understand all that I was
[1:25:12] talking to the other gentleman back
[1:25:13] there who has a house on Manor he was
[1:25:14] worried about uh access on Manor Drive
[1:25:18] and I said talked to the building
[1:25:19] department I told him that this hearing
[1:25:21] is to reduce the number of lots from 15
[1:25:23] to two so they could move forward if we
[1:25:26] had sold to an apartment developer this
[1:25:28] would this hearing would not be
[1:25:29] happening and they would just be going
[1:25:30] ahead and building so thank
[1:25:38] you hello one second make sure you get
[1:25:41] your time
[1:25:43] set gotcha okay good evening my name is
[1:25:47] Tony Tran and I'm the homeowner of 12704
[1:25:52] Manor Drive which is adjacent to the
[1:25:55] right to the north of the development so
[1:25:58] I was I did attend the recent meeting
[1:26:00] with the other residents and Mr Brown
[1:26:03] and uh I appreciate that I appreciate
[1:26:06] seeing the the screen of trees um on
[1:26:11] the uh West and north side of the
[1:26:15] development uh to uh preserve and
[1:26:18] enhance the Privacy
[1:26:20] so just want to make sure that you know
[1:26:22] if we can make that happen
[1:26:24] that would be great and you know the
[1:26:26] large larger trees the better so because
[1:26:28] I'm right there on the north of the
[1:26:30] property and my other concern is with
[1:26:33] increased traffic of course and and
[1:26:36] street parking on Manor Drive that could
[1:26:39] happen from the project and so if this
[1:26:41] could be
[1:26:42] addressed um I would appreciate it going
[1:26:45] forward thank you thank
[1:26:52] you all good my name is Philip Pearson
[1:26:55] I've been a resident at hearon since
[1:26:57] 1993 uh one thing uh I'm looking at this
[1:27:03] project and I'm looking at how you
[1:27:06] putting a small putting a big puzzle in
[1:27:09] a small Peg and it seems like it's going
[1:27:11] to be a lot more
[1:27:13] traffic I mean you cannot eliminate that
[1:27:16] we have children riding
[1:27:18] bikes more traffic I'm I seen children
[1:27:21] get hit that's a big concern you know I
[1:27:24] mean I know you put this up investors
[1:27:29] put this up oh this is a nice area you
[1:27:31] know that make more Revenue but there's
[1:27:34] safety concerns are not being looked at
[1:27:36] that's one considerate consideration of
[1:27:39] already property tax residents who pay
[1:27:42] tax is not being considered this is a
[1:27:45] joke how you given this flyer out it's
[1:27:48] not enough time there's no respect to
[1:27:50] the current residents and that that's a
[1:27:53] problem I have you know you know uh
[1:27:56] there have been several projects that
[1:27:58] supposed to been happening
[1:28:01] RFK that used to be a hospital there was
[1:28:03] supposed to be a project there that
[1:28:05] hasn't come for permission that's that's
[1:28:07] that's a big lot right right over there
[1:28:09] okay there other one over there snw used
[1:28:12] to have there's supposed to
[1:28:14] be apartment buildings put up over there
[1:28:17] that hasn't came so it seems like and
[1:28:19] those are much bigger Lots it seems like
[1:28:22] you're putting over here 129 it's a
[1:28:24] smaller area compared consider to those
[1:28:26] other areas so that's that that's why
[1:28:30] this is my concern why you putting in a
[1:28:33] it looks like a big area but once you
[1:28:34] start putting buildings on it it
[1:28:37] shrinks I'm finished and I'm my concerns
[1:28:42] again like you said you got these minals
[1:28:44] at the last minute they were giv out the
[1:28:47] last minute there was no early
[1:28:48] consideration of getting out thank you
[1:28:50] thank
[1:28:52] you okay
[1:28:56] hi there um I submitted my letter
[1:28:58] through the email I'm sure you guys have
[1:28:59] read it my name is Kevin Wong 12647
[1:29:02] Manor
[1:29:03] Drive what was the last name
[1:29:06] WG yeah I sent a pretty long email uh or
[1:29:11] a letter um I just wanted to voice just
[1:29:13] for everyone in the public as well that
[1:29:15] you know they think there's everyone has
[1:29:17] the same concerns it's privacy it's
[1:29:19] street parking it's traffic um I get
[1:29:23] that there are restrictions in place for
[1:29:26] good reasons um but I'd like the city or
[1:29:30] even M homes to reconsider a driveway
[1:29:32] out onto Manor and why it wouldn't go
[1:29:34] into gellia or even just eliminated
[1:29:37] driveway altogether because the other
[1:29:39] property on the souths side has only one
[1:29:42] driveway entrance and exit um I just
[1:29:44] think it would heavily reduce the amount
[1:29:46] of traffic that man or drive would
[1:29:49] see that's it thank you thank you
[1:29:57] hi uh Richard Dragon 129th Street
[1:30:01] um if uh if I was uh hi Brad um I'd
[1:30:06] always send a flyer with a mistake on it
[1:30:09] so people have something something to
[1:30:11] complain
[1:30:12] about um it's really a non-issue to me
[1:30:16] um I haven't heard uh if there's going
[1:30:19] to be a Stairway to 129th
[1:30:22] Street um all the questions if you
[1:30:25] address here we'll make sure they and uh
[1:30:29] I'm Not Dead Set against the project uh
[1:30:31] I've regret it I I've re uh worried
[1:30:34] about it for years but uh it's an
[1:30:37] eventuality that I knew was coming
[1:30:41] um I'd like to know what we could do to
[1:30:43] mitigate uh
[1:30:45] dust while they're in under
[1:30:48] construction and uh hopefully it will
[1:30:52] raise the property values
[1:30:54] by not being Apartments so thank you
[1:30:57] thank you
[1:31:02] sir hello my name is eser aadia I'm my
[1:31:07] husband came ahead and he just wanted me
[1:31:08] to add more things I we own the property
[1:31:11] of uh
[1:31:13] 4555 West 129th Street we purchased that
[1:31:17] house basically because on one side was
[1:31:19] the nursery we and we have been there
[1:31:22] for like I'd say 30 years years and
[1:31:24] we've been using it at rental it was
[1:31:27] basically an income for our kids um what
[1:31:31] I'm seeing now is that I don't know if
[1:31:34] they're concerned about the water we've
[1:31:36] had problems with our sump in our rental
[1:31:39] we've had it replaced twice already are
[1:31:41] they taking that in consideration
[1:31:43] because of the height level as well as
[1:31:46] the parking I've always never been able
[1:31:48] to find easy parking and I would always
[1:31:50] block my driveway when I come to talk to
[1:31:53] the tenants
[1:31:55] so that is an issue for me and I come in
[1:31:57] the middle of the day I don't even come
[1:31:59] at night when people are at home and um
[1:32:03] walking on that sidewalk which is narrow
[1:32:05] with certain areas where
[1:32:07] the the poles for electricity it is a
[1:32:11] little hazardous so widening it I don't
[1:32:14] know if it'll make a difference but um
[1:32:17] putting that block wall but at the
[1:32:20] different heights uh is the are they
[1:32:22] going to have the three floors I mean
[1:32:25] the the apartments that have three
[1:32:26] floors on the height of 129th or are
[1:32:30] they going to base it down below and are
[1:32:32] they going to take care of the water
[1:32:33] drainage so that it doesn't flood and
[1:32:36] cause
[1:32:37] problems um the other thing is the noise
[1:32:41] there's going to be two years that my
[1:32:43] tenants are going to have to suffer
[1:32:45] through and the dust and the noise I
[1:32:47] hope they are thinking of accommodating
[1:32:49] living standards and how how the noise
[1:32:52] will impact everybody
[1:32:55] um I think it's great that it's going to
[1:32:57] be for sale and I I'm aware that our
[1:33:00] hands are tied because of what
[1:33:02] California State Legislature had passed
[1:33:05] regarding housing so um I think this is
[1:33:09] the best of worst
[1:33:12] scenarios and I can accommodate that but
[1:33:15] I think uh this area has some unique
[1:33:18] features that needed to be taken care of
[1:33:21] in fact my neighbor on the other side
[1:33:24] I've gone in when I've taken before
[1:33:26] while I was taking care of my myself had
[1:33:29] people come in and change the cement and
[1:33:31] everything there's just a little bit
[1:33:33] overflowing and it's flooding you have
[1:33:35] to understand 129th is like the houses
[1:33:39] on the owner's unit is three levels with
[1:33:41] the one down below being a car garage so
[1:33:44] that's the height but on the street it's
[1:33:47] two floors okay and to me that's a big
[1:33:50] Hazard for the the coming Department
[1:33:53] units thank you so much I see I'm
[1:33:55] running
[1:33:56] late I just want to clarify something
[1:33:59] with her if you don't mind um Mrs ovadia
[1:34:03] ovadia yes um you said water or flooding
[1:34:07] where is when it rains you have to
[1:34:09] understand okay
[1:34:11] 129th um is houses on the street only
[1:34:15] see two floors two floors only but
[1:34:19] underneath we don't have basements
[1:34:21] normally in California but there is a
[1:34:24] basement and that basement is a garage
[1:34:27] so when you come in the driveway you go
[1:34:29] down the driveway it goes steep down and
[1:34:32] you turn to park and that part is I
[1:34:36] would call it a basement because I'm
[1:34:38] from New England I've been here 40 plus
[1:34:42] 44 years but I'm still New England so
[1:34:46] anyhow that to me is a
[1:34:48] basement but the tenants in the back
[1:34:52] only one floor and they're on that
[1:34:55] ground floor that's on Elsa gundo so you
[1:34:59] have to see it's a gradient appreciate
[1:35:02] I'm sorry we got thank you do you
[1:35:04] understand what I'm talking about and I
[1:35:05] can see that there will be if it's not
[1:35:08] taken into consideration those people
[1:35:11] who buy homes will be unhappy okay thank
[1:35:14] you thank you thank
[1:35:18] you my my name is Sean Carol I'm at 4548
[1:35:22] West 129 Street been there 60 plus years
[1:35:27] my born and raised here in hawthor the
[1:35:29] city of good
[1:35:31] neighbors
[1:35:33] so and my family my father played for
[1:35:36] the LA Angels and Pacific h leagues and
[1:35:38] my family's been here for from the 30s
[1:35:41] so when I bought that house I paid extra
[1:35:45] for the
[1:35:46] view quite quite a large sum you see
[1:35:50] these pictures they're not two bedrooms
[1:35:51] or two stories they're three stories
[1:35:54] 40ft base then the
[1:35:57] ceiling it's like standing next to a
[1:36:00] wall when they do that when they add
[1:36:03] parking they don't allow access to out
[1:36:05] if you saw the if you saw the the
[1:36:08] drawing they don't allow access out at
[1:36:10] the 129th for automobiles but they allow
[1:36:13] entrance and exit by passengers or
[1:36:16] pedestrians so you can park your car 129
[1:36:20] then walk in the back gate but if you
[1:36:22] don't get on when you're coming down
[1:36:24] elag gondo you don't get in you just
[1:36:26] whip around the corner find a place to
[1:36:27] park but I walked over here I didn't
[1:36:30] drive because there's no parking when I
[1:36:31] go when I went back I couldn't get a
[1:36:33] parking spot
[1:36:36] so people drive from they M they try to
[1:36:39] mitigate this about 10 years ago they
[1:36:40] put speed bumps on top of the hill 129th
[1:36:43] because people cut down when they put in
[1:36:46] uh SpaceX more traffic started coming so
[1:36:49] they shoot down 129th Street to get get
[1:36:52] to Haw bouard turn right on ha bouevard
[1:36:55] or they come down 130th cut cut across
[1:36:57] and they cut down hawor bouevard when
[1:37:00] you do the same thing when with El
[1:37:01] agendo they're not going to be able to
[1:37:04] they won't be able to park so they'll
[1:37:06] whip around the street park on 12 29th
[1:37:09] taking people's parking space so I think
[1:37:12] that's about
[1:37:14] it thank you all right and then you know
[1:37:17] the thing
[1:37:18] is in the flyer I saw just saw today
[1:37:21] they said you have to speak speak your
[1:37:23] mind today we have problems bringing up
[1:37:25] today but people just get that note
[1:37:27] today they can't they they haven't
[1:37:29] figured out T beginning of a long
[1:37:31] weekend you know some of these people
[1:37:33] have G already left left town gone to
[1:37:36] the beach
[1:37:38] so that's it thank you very much thank
[1:37:41] you very
[1:37:43] much there anyone else than thank you or
[1:37:48] be the last one okay I'm the resident on
[1:37:52] the south side on El Segundo Boulevard
[1:37:56] 4556 West El Segundo my name is Jesus
[1:38:00] Ortega I've been living in hurn for 25
[1:38:05] years on that
[1:38:07] property
[1:38:09] and uh the notice that I have I have it
[1:38:14] last week Friday and I have another one
[1:38:19] Monday is not enough time for people
[1:38:24] like myself that it works to respond and
[1:38:27] to say anything
[1:38:30] except I hope you consider it extended
[1:38:34] and I hope it be another opportunity for
[1:38:37] the community to speak because many
[1:38:39] people doesn't get even the
[1:38:42] notice is the first time I have it in my
[1:38:46] hands I do not hear from previous
[1:38:49] months or
[1:38:52] previous information
[1:38:55] nothing thank you thank
[1:39:01] you is there anyone else who wishes to
[1:39:04] address the Planning Commission on this
[1:39:08] issue I cannot allow that um now there
[1:39:13] were quite a number of yeah there's
[1:39:15] quite a number of issues that um need to
[1:39:17] be addressed that I I knowe the
[1:39:19] applicant is allowed to to respond yes
[1:39:22] um before that though I would like to
[1:39:25] ask for permission to address some of
[1:39:26] the issues that are concerning the city
[1:39:29] as opposed to the applicant um first is
[1:39:32] the notice um the notice went out in a
[1:39:35] timely fashion pursuant to the law which
[1:39:38] says 10 days before the hearing I'm
[1:39:40] sorry that um some of you did receive it
[1:39:43] late that's with the Postal Service
[1:39:45] unfortunately not with the city uh we
[1:39:48] sent everything out 10 days prior we did
[1:39:51] then subsequently find that one part of
[1:39:53] the notice which says submit your
[1:39:56] comments by had a date from a previous
[1:39:59] notice which was June 5th
[1:40:01] 2023 however the meeting date time and
[1:40:05] location were correct and furthermore
[1:40:08] the meeting date and time and location
[1:40:10] were correct in the newspaper
[1:40:11] notification so we did legally meet our
[1:40:14] requirement but as a courtesy we did
[1:40:16] send a a revised notice to all the same
[1:40:19] people stating that the period to make
[1:40:22] comments was was was not June 5th but
[1:40:24] it's actually today the um the reason
[1:40:27] it's set for today is because this is
[1:40:29] the hearing and we don't it wouldn't do
[1:40:32] anybody any good to have comments come
[1:40:34] after the hearing okay but 10 days is
[1:40:37] the standard that's standard throughout
[1:40:39] the state um there may be some
[1:40:41] jurisdictions that give more but we uh
[1:40:43] by our Municipal Code give a 10-day
[1:40:45] notice and it's not 10 days from the day
[1:40:48] you receive it but from 10 days from
[1:40:49] when we mail it okay um
[1:40:54] with regard to the sidewalk on 129
[1:40:56] Street it is being widened but the curb
[1:40:58] is not being moved so the street will
[1:40:59] not be narrowed okay the um there's a
[1:41:03] there's a narrow sidewalk there now and
[1:41:06] some landscaping or dirt or whatever um
[1:41:10] that'll all be made into sidewalk so
[1:41:12] it'll be a 7 foot sidewalk with tree
[1:41:15] Wells every 50 feet with a tree planted
[1:41:17] in it by the applicant so I want to be
[1:41:20] clear on that they will have no impact
[1:41:22] on the width of of the actual driving
[1:41:24] area on 129 Street um with regard to
[1:41:28] construction traffic and
[1:41:30] noise um well let's deal with noise
[1:41:33] noise is controlled by the municipal
[1:41:35] code there are
[1:41:37] um timelines in which construction can
[1:41:39] take place every single day it's a
[1:41:41] little bit more restrictive on on the
[1:41:43] weekends I believe but uh we we will be
[1:41:46] watching for that if they start
[1:41:48] construction prior to was it s I think
[1:41:51] or is it 8 I forgot seven
[1:41:54] um they will receive a notice um of
[1:41:57] violation but I don't expect that to be
[1:41:59] the case and likewise construction has
[1:42:01] to stop at is it 6 or something I forgot
[1:42:06] when but anyway there's a time that that
[1:42:08] has to stop so at the nighttime at least
[1:42:11] there will be no construction permitted
[1:42:13] and um we will be I mean we're very
[1:42:16] close so we'll know if they're violating
[1:42:17] that and code enforcement will be
[1:42:20] keeping an eye on it as we do for every
[1:42:22] construction project in the
[1:42:24] city um as for the issue of notification
[1:42:27] not going to all of the neighbors again
[1:42:29] this goes back to the municipal code the
[1:42:31] requirement for code is Neighbors within
[1:42:34] 300
[1:42:35] ft now that doesn't include everybody on
[1:42:39] 129th but you know how there's no um
[1:42:43] provision that we have to provide notice
[1:42:45] to everybody on 129th the requirement is
[1:42:47] Neighbors within 300 ft if even a small
[1:42:49] portion of your property is within 300
[1:42:51] ft of this property a notice would been
[1:42:53] mailed to you anybody outside of that
[1:42:56] doesn't get a notice but that's why we
[1:42:58] advertise in the newspaper
[1:43:01] and I don't that's that's just pursuant
[1:43:03] to the municipal code and for per state
[1:43:06] law um as for the driveway on uh Manor
[1:43:10] Drive I'll let the applicant address why
[1:43:13] not gravilla but I will say that the
[1:43:15] second driveway is required on the
[1:43:17] Northern portion for fire um trucks to
[1:43:20] be able to get into the property and get
[1:43:22] out the the southern one is wider so
[1:43:24] they're able to do a complete circle or
[1:43:26] Square so they can use one driveway that
[1:43:29] doesn't apply to the northern part and
[1:43:30] that's why there's a second driveway
[1:43:32] there
[1:43:35] um I a lot of the comments deal with uh
[1:43:39] development standards such as
[1:43:41] parking um I'd like to point out again
[1:43:45] that that is outside of this uh scope of
[1:43:48] this hearing all of those standards are
[1:43:51] contained in the municipal code
[1:43:53] and their objective meaning that the
[1:43:55] city uses no judgment it's either yes or
[1:43:58] no complies or doesn't comply that's
[1:44:00] pursuant to state law as one of the
[1:44:02] applicants or one of the residents had
[1:44:04] said you know our hands are somewhat
[1:44:06] Tied by state law here so rest assured
[1:44:09] though there are standards and they will
[1:44:10] be applied and and upheld so all of the
[1:44:15] um all the issues related to Landscaping
[1:44:18] parking um height all of that stuff is
[1:44:21] covered and they they know the rules we
[1:44:23] know the rules and they're free to build
[1:44:26] up to those rules but not
[1:44:29] Beyond um as mentioned RFK there is an
[1:44:32] application already on I don't remember
[1:44:35] who made that request but there is an
[1:44:36] application for that site it's just it's
[1:44:38] tied up in the in the environmental
[1:44:39] review right now it it is slated to
[1:44:42] happen but it's a long process and there
[1:44:44] are plenty of other sites in the city
[1:44:46] where housing is also being proposed and
[1:44:48] being studied
[1:44:50] currently um
[1:44:53] let's see if there's anything
[1:44:54] construction
[1:44:55] dust goes with time construction dust is
[1:44:58] controlled by the by the um
[1:45:02] AQMD and the city does enforce um dust
[1:45:06] control so if there's any incident of of
[1:45:10] construction dust please notify the um
[1:45:14] the city because that has to stop and
[1:45:17] and the applicant is well aware of this
[1:45:19] as part of the construction you know
[1:45:21] process
[1:45:23] a water issues I think you're talking
[1:45:25] about drainage um again there there are
[1:45:29] plenty of of regulations that apply to
[1:45:33] water all of the water that falls onto
[1:45:35] this property does not leave the
[1:45:36] property it stays on the property that's
[1:45:38] pursuant to law um and they're they're
[1:45:43] going to have to have the property
[1:45:45] graded which means they're going to you
[1:45:47] know move the dirt around a little bit
[1:45:48] to make it drain properly that's um
[1:45:51] going to be carefully uh monitored by
[1:45:53] the city and and it'll have to be
[1:45:55] approved that's standard that's for
[1:45:57] every
[1:45:58] project um so I don't think that um
[1:46:00] flooding is going to be much of an issue
[1:46:03] here and the applicant may want to
[1:46:05] expand on that a little
[1:46:07] bit um the question about where the
[1:46:09] bottom of the units uh adjacent to 129
[1:46:12] they'll be on the low part they will not
[1:46:14] be three stories above 129 Street
[1:46:17] there'll be a floor and a half below
[1:46:18] 129th and then a floor and a half above
[1:46:24] I think that covers all the city issues
[1:46:26] now um if uh the applicant would like to
[1:46:30] address the issues that are more
[1:46:32] specific to the
[1:46:33] project oh I'm sorry there was one other
[1:46:36] question related to
[1:46:37] squa um the squl studies I think that
[1:46:41] person actually left but hopefully
[1:46:43] they're watching on TV the squl studies
[1:46:45] were um there's two of there's actually
[1:46:48] one it was done when the um in 2022 when
[1:46:52] the uh overlay was first adopted that's
[1:46:55] available from the city we can email it
[1:46:58] to you or you can come in and look at it
[1:47:01] um I'm not sure if it's posted online
[1:47:03] right now but we'll accommodate anyone
[1:47:05] that needs to see it the other squa um
[1:47:08] that we're addressing here is called a
[1:47:10] categorical exemption for infill
[1:47:12] development that's a state carve out
[1:47:14] that exempts this project from requiring
[1:47:17] eir or a negative declaration or
[1:47:19] anything more significant this is a
[1:47:22] qualified site for infill development so
[1:47:26] we're covered on two basis if you if
[1:47:28] you're not satisfied with the one we've
[1:47:29] got the other but um usually you only
[1:47:31] need
[1:47:32] one okay just a uh Greg there's one more
[1:47:36] question yeah it was just someone asked
[1:47:39] of the environmental study if they
[1:47:41] wanted to read it yeah that's what I
[1:47:43] said okay sorry just want it's available
[1:47:45] from the planning department you can
[1:47:46] reach out to any of the well our email
[1:47:49] addresses on the on the city's website
[1:47:51] email us we'll send it to you
[1:47:53] and I did want to just to add back I
[1:47:55] know I saw an email from Nathan earlier
[1:47:56] apparently that SQL file is pretty big
[1:47:59] so it's hard to email so you you guys
[1:48:01] are not were apparently yeah we'll put
[1:48:02] it we'll we'll put it onto a download
[1:48:04] site then if that's the case gotta it's
[1:48:06] a it's definitely a public document and
[1:48:07] anybody can look at
[1:48:10] it okay I can't um we actually don't
[1:48:13] can't take comments from the car that's
[1:48:15] why we have I understand that's why we
[1:48:17] have a public comment but I appreciate
[1:48:19] you thank you have you like to respond
[1:48:21] to sure thank you um and I I do thank
[1:48:24] all the residents for coming out and
[1:48:26] expressing their concerns and I hope by
[1:48:29] some of those responses that I'm that
[1:48:31] I'll be providing to you um show that we
[1:48:35] in our design of the ultimate project
[1:48:38] that is
[1:48:41] uh following the map process that we're
[1:48:44] here for tonight that because of our
[1:48:47] history and my history um that we've
[1:48:49] tried to address those as some what I
[1:48:52] like like to call us project design
[1:48:54] features um and that is um with regards
[1:48:59] to for instance uh the elevation of the
[1:49:02] buildings from 129th Street um we
[1:49:05] initially I mean I've got portions of
[1:49:07] our of our team that are here I was like
[1:49:10] we want to because those houses are
[1:49:12] elevated to some degree I want to drop
[1:49:14] the grade so that's why we're dropping
[1:49:16] the site grade at 129th below 129th to
[1:49:20] help alleviate a three-story structure I
[1:49:23] believe um we don't build homes that are
[1:49:26] 60 ft tall but I believe the housing
[1:49:29] overlay has an allowance of up to 60
[1:49:31] feet uh for Building height we're at 38
[1:49:34] we're three stories so we initially and
[1:49:37] in our proposed designs that are part of
[1:49:40] the tenative track map are lowering the
[1:49:42] elevation of the site 6 to8 feet below
[1:49:45] the elevation of 129th Street um for for
[1:49:48] that reason as Mr mlan mentioned there
[1:49:50] will only be portions of the POR of the
[1:49:53] House of the proposed town homes that
[1:49:54] would be visible from Beyond and above
[1:49:57] at
[1:49:58] 129 um Mr mlan touched on the sidewalk
[1:50:02] um the sidewalk on 129th is very narrow
[1:50:05] it is dirt there are utility poles and
[1:50:07] so forth with it and that's why the City
[1:50:10] Public Works director is wanting that
[1:50:12] sidewalk to be seven feet wide that
[1:50:15] current is the width of the current
[1:50:17] Parkway whether it be sidewalk and dirt
[1:50:19] it's going to be all sidewalk with some
[1:50:20] trees planted along the sidewalk at the
[1:50:23] top of the at the top of the project if
[1:50:25] it is
[1:50:26] approved um regards to the parking that
[1:50:30] we've heard
[1:50:32] um we
[1:50:34] design what we have to have for our
[1:50:38] residents future residents to be happy
[1:50:40] and have a place to park it has to be
[1:50:41] marketable it's something that they look
[1:50:43] at when they come to buy into a project
[1:50:45] that they have ample parking this
[1:50:48] project when built would probably have
[1:50:51] more parking spaces than any most
[1:50:53] projects that you have in the
[1:50:55] city and it is compliant with the
[1:50:58] code with regards to the retaining wall
[1:51:01] at 129th the retaining wall is necessary
[1:51:04] so that we can drop the grade and retain
[1:51:06] this the street at 129th as it is today
[1:51:09] on top of that retaining wall would be
[1:51:11] an open rail fence it's not going to be
[1:51:13] a solid 12 foot 12ft retaining wall it
[1:51:15] be a five to six foot tall retaining
[1:51:17] wall with open rail fencing that would
[1:51:19] have some Landscaping growing up both in
[1:51:21] front and interior to the wall visible
[1:51:24] from
[1:51:26] 129th um The Manor driveway opening that
[1:51:30] Mr Wong and the neighbors that I met
[1:51:32] with had mentioned um we looked at
[1:51:35] trying to redirect that opening and
[1:51:38] still maintain the required fire access
[1:51:41] to another uh to to grela it wasn't
[1:51:45] possible because of the configuration
[1:51:47] and shape of that Northern parcel that
[1:51:50] you see on the map um there is a not
[1:51:52] that goes and I'm going to mention a
[1:51:54] name that goes to in the property of the
[1:51:56] current Nursery that reaches towards
[1:52:00] Tony's house the neighbor to the direct
[1:52:02] north of the site that allows
[1:52:05] for the units the town homes to be built
[1:52:09] on that portion of it and still maintain
[1:52:11] the circulation necessary for uh for
[1:52:14] fire and for trash service but more more
[1:52:16] importantly fire um the South site with
[1:52:20] the loop Street in it has enough room to
[1:52:23] create the loop system so it just has
[1:52:25] the one driveway in and
[1:52:28] out there are no stairs proposed to
[1:52:31] 129th so I think that the parking on
[1:52:33] 129th is not of convenience for the
[1:52:36] residents future residents of this
[1:52:38] proposed project to park on 129th and
[1:52:41] walk all the way around the block to
[1:52:43] come around um the and that was by
[1:52:47] Design to not provide pedestrian link up
[1:52:50] to 129th because they have ample Ada and
[1:52:53] pedestrian link directly down to elaga
[1:52:55] Boulevard and they can get to haam
[1:52:57] Boulevard or Englewood or the high
[1:52:58] school or whatever out on Elsa
[1:53:02] Boulevard
[1:53:05] um
[1:53:08] the the
[1:53:10] letter I think there may be some
[1:53:12] confusion regarding the city's public
[1:53:14] notice letter versus my letter that I
[1:53:16] sent out my letter was only sent to
[1:53:18] those neighbors that are directly
[1:53:19] adjacent to it it goes out in a standard
[1:53:21] envelope that says Malia homes on it it
[1:53:24] maybe looks like any other piece of junk
[1:53:25] mail that we all get in our mail and it
[1:53:27] maybe have tossed out and thrown away um
[1:53:31] I count one two three four uh
[1:53:34] individuals who spoke tonight saying
[1:53:37] they didn't receive that letter that
[1:53:38] were on the mailing list that I mailed
[1:53:40] out so whether or not they saw it it's
[1:53:43] been several months whether they tossed
[1:53:45] it looked at it whatever it may be um
[1:53:48] but those that are directly adjacent did
[1:53:51] receive some correspond for me asking
[1:53:53] for their input and to make contact uh
[1:53:56] with me um and and to introduce myself
[1:53:59] to them um regarding the drainage Andor
[1:54:02] storm water and or
[1:54:04] infiltration um regarding the storm
[1:54:06] water that hits the site a certain
[1:54:08] amount of water from a storm event is
[1:54:10] required to be retained on site as Mr
[1:54:13] mlan mentioned um in this particular
[1:54:15] instance we're doing uh both detention
[1:54:19] on the site in underground storage pipes
[1:54:21] to retain that water volume and then it
[1:54:24] would go into what we call a dryw which
[1:54:27] is basically a chamber that goes down
[1:54:30] about 35 to 40 feet into the Earth and
[1:54:32] the storm water would go into that and
[1:54:34] infiltrate back into the ground and
[1:54:36] hopefully recharge our groundwater Basin
[1:54:38] to some degree heavier storms and so
[1:54:41] forth the codes require certain amount
[1:54:43] of water be retained in a storm that
[1:54:45] continues on and on and on in 100e storm
[1:54:48] all that storm drain water is contained
[1:54:50] and ultimately would run out to Elson
[1:54:52] Boulevard just like the property does
[1:54:56] today is there anything that I missed
[1:54:58] that we would like to go back on
[1:55:00] yeah nope that's all that's it thank you
[1:55:04] any other any questions for the
[1:55:06] commission before I sit down nothing
[1:55:08] else for the applicant I appreciate you
[1:55:10] thank you
[1:55:13] okay Mr
[1:55:15] McLean are there any documents to place
[1:55:17] into the administrative record yes
[1:55:19] several um several emails were received
[1:55:21] they were all provided to you both um by
[1:55:25] email and also put on the
[1:55:27] Das
[1:55:30] okay to my fell Commissioners we have
[1:55:32] any final comments on this item or
[1:55:35] questions for staff I just want to make
[1:55:37] sure that we are clear when it comes to
[1:55:40] questions for staff on this particular
[1:55:42] thing the item that we are talking about
[1:55:44] is the subdivision of the Lots so let's
[1:55:47] make sure that we're keeping our
[1:55:48] comments to that particular part of this
[1:55:50] conversation because the rest of that we
[1:55:52] can't really even we can't give
[1:55:54] directives about so any questions no
[1:55:57] questions for
[1:56:01] staff no
[1:56:03] questions here okay um I will now
[1:56:07] formally close the public hearing on
[1:56:09] these items and do we have a
[1:56:12] motion uh I think I have some comments
[1:56:14] before a motion we go I have some
[1:56:16] comments too here we go first for all
[1:56:19] the people in the room thank you so much
[1:56:20] for coming community participation and
[1:56:23] hear having your voice be heard is a
[1:56:25] crucial part of what we take pride in
[1:56:28] being up here um I think there are days
[1:56:31] like this that it's it's frustrating to
[1:56:34] the folks that are sitting up here of
[1:56:36] the ability and the power that we have
[1:56:38] in this position and what we're able to
[1:56:39] vote on and what we aren't able to vote
[1:56:42] on um and today definitely is one of
[1:56:45] those days um what is put before us is
[1:56:47] taking a 15 lot parcel into a two lot
[1:56:50] parcel it is I wish we we were voting on
[1:56:53] all the other things that were brought
[1:56:54] up here today because as a resident of
[1:56:57] Hawthorne I feel what you are feeling um
[1:57:01] as I mentioned earlier in this session I
[1:57:03] I live very close to 360 and when that
[1:57:07] was built that is 600 units um so
[1:57:10] there's a part of me that was like oh
[1:57:11] gosh I wish it was only 68 but that
[1:57:13] doesn't take away from what you are
[1:57:15] feeling and please do not think I am
[1:57:16] taking anything away from what you are
[1:57:18] feeling because of this um if you anyone
[1:57:22] likes to talk to me about that it it it
[1:57:24] wasn't it didn't end up being even an
[1:57:27] fraction of what we thought it was going
[1:57:29] to be it's worked out very well for us
[1:57:32] um and so if anyone wants to speak to me
[1:57:34] about my experience with that offline
[1:57:36] I'm more than happy to do that but it it
[1:57:38] wasn't as catastrophic as in the
[1:57:41] beginning we thought it was it in in all
[1:57:43] honesty it wasn't catastrophic at all um
[1:57:46] but again this is that was my experience
[1:57:48] that is not your experience and I'm not
[1:57:50] trying to take anything away from that
[1:57:52] so I just wanted to say thank you for
[1:57:54] coming expressing it and saying and
[1:57:56] sharing with you that I wish it was
[1:57:57] something else we were voting on today
[1:57:59] versus what it was because as it is our
[1:58:01] job to just vote and keep the the city
[1:58:04] accountable for what the laws they put
[1:58:06] into place the city council makes the
[1:58:09] laws so again there are meetings every
[1:58:12] two weeks for for that where you can
[1:58:14] once again get on that agenda and can
[1:58:16] talk to them about this and what it is
[1:58:19] for the next phase of the building if
[1:58:21] this goes through tonight so please know
[1:58:24] that that is something it's every other
[1:58:26] Tuesday and you can get time in front of
[1:58:28] the city council because that is that is
[1:58:30] who put this on our docket this evening
[1:58:32] so with that again just thank you thank
[1:58:35] you to Mr Brown for coming and sharing
[1:58:37] everything that you are doing I do say
[1:58:39] that I am happy as a resident of
[1:58:41] hawthone that these are for for sale
[1:58:43] homes and more home ownership because
[1:58:45] with that gets people in activism and
[1:58:48] volunteerism and bringing something to
[1:58:50] this community just being temporary
[1:58:52] residents coming in taking over a space
[1:58:55] and leaving it's pride of ownership it's
[1:58:57] pride of community it's pride of being
[1:58:59] part of something and you never know
[1:59:02] maybe someone if we get lucky that is
[1:59:04] sitting in this in this development will
[1:59:06] be up here and you know being part of a
[1:59:08] bigger part of our community to make it
[1:59:10] better for all of us so um again easy
[1:59:12] for me to say up here we're not dealing
[1:59:14] with the situation but again thank you
[1:59:15] again for coming and no further
[1:59:18] comments I'm just going to picky Bank uh
[1:59:22] on what she
[1:59:23] said the reason why we're here and what
[1:59:25] decisions
[1:59:26] that what Our obligation
[1:59:29] is I know a lot of you have concerns
[1:59:32] about certain things and so forth I do
[1:59:35] understand that
[1:59:37] um the site development for the
[1:59:39] residential purposes allowed here is by
[1:59:45] right so I know you guys have issues
[1:59:48] with building and so forth uh how things
[1:59:51] are going to pen out so forth
[1:59:53] constructions and whatever what have you
[1:59:55] that's going to be a different
[1:59:56] department that takes care of that today
[1:59:59] we're just here for the uh to combine or
[2:00:03] make uh two lots so I just want to make
[2:00:06] sure that we are clear on that um I've
[2:00:10] seen different projects that come to the
[2:00:12] planning department I do have to say
[2:00:15] from what I see and hopefully um it is
[2:00:19] what we're seeing today um I do
[2:00:22] appreciate the idea that instead of
[2:00:23] putting 94 units it is 68 homes not
[2:00:28] Apartments so at
[2:00:30] least it coming to the city someone has
[2:00:33] or can take advantage of the fact that
[2:00:35] they can actually be a homeowner so that
[2:00:38] is something that is a major Pro um with
[2:00:42] this
[2:00:44] project also um I do appreciate the fact
[2:00:49] that um
[2:00:52] Malia Holmes
[2:00:55] uh saw that there were some issues with
[2:00:58] sidewalks and so forth he could actually
[2:00:59] had a five uh foot setback on
[2:01:04] sidewalks they decided to do seven
[2:01:07] that's also a
[2:01:08] pro also widening that street as well or
[2:01:11] making that extra sidewalk I mean it's
[2:01:13] just um that is greatly appreciated if
[2:01:16] that's what they're going to do also the
[2:01:18] trees the vegetation instead of putting
[2:01:22] um smaller trees if they put 12T trees
[2:01:24] that's also was just a consideration for
[2:01:26] them um to maybe consider or at least we
[2:01:30] encourage that so we'll see where they
[2:01:32] go with that um but that is it for me
[2:01:36] and again thank you guys um we do
[2:01:39] appreciate you guys coming um to the
[2:01:42] planning department and expressing your
[2:01:44] concerns I will continue to ask anybody
[2:01:47] who ever has concerns to please come up
[2:01:49] let us hear you and we do appreciate you
[2:01:52] a lot for doing that it just gives us a
[2:01:55] different perspective and Outlook and so
[2:01:57] forth and uh you guys are our eyes some
[2:01:59] sometimes we can't see certain things we
[2:02:01] can at least hear you and then we
[2:02:04] can see where we can we go from there so
[2:02:08] that's it sure um I say most importantly
[2:02:12] thank you to everyone who came out here
[2:02:14] to speak today uh particularly to voice
[2:02:16] your opinion about what's going on in
[2:02:17] your community in your neighborhood
[2:02:19] though it is monumentally important for
[2:02:22] all of us to come in and do this I do
[2:02:24] again I think something commissioner H
[2:02:26] Houston said that it is really important
[2:02:27] for us to hear is that a lot of the
[2:02:30] stuff when it comes from this point is
[2:02:33] important for us to speak at at our city
[2:02:34] council meeting is for us to talk about
[2:02:37] how we want to direct our city like we
[2:02:39] mentioned these are this overlay was
[2:02:41] done part of our general plan our
[2:02:43] general plan was done a while ago and
[2:02:45] this is why it's important for us to be
[2:02:47] at every single one of these meetings
[2:02:49] because two years ago when this was done
[2:02:51] it didn't really
[2:02:52] it was just a thing we did now it's two
[2:02:55] years later and it impacts us so it's
[2:02:57] the reason why we come and we stay up on
[2:02:59] these things when they're happening it's
[2:03:01] a reason why every time there's
[2:03:03] legislation that comes up we read it
[2:03:05] thoroughly and we make sure we
[2:03:06] understand what's happening because that
[2:03:09] would prevent us a lot of us from being
[2:03:10] confused as we go forward in this um
[2:03:14] just share the same sentiments yeah some
[2:03:15] of these things are are disappointing
[2:03:17] when it comes to the way that um you
[2:03:19] know that residents feel about them in
[2:03:21] the time I do hope that everyone has the
[2:03:24] same experience as commissioner Houston
[2:03:25] where it's not that bad I really do
[2:03:28] really do hope that it comes out in a
[2:03:30] great way but personally as we as we sit
[2:03:33] here we've seen a few projects that's
[2:03:35] come past that were only done for
[2:03:38] rentals we we fought as hard as we could
[2:03:41] to try to get things that were not done
[2:03:42] for rentals and there's another space
[2:03:45] where we're hands tied so the fact that
[2:03:47] this time we're actually able to get
[2:03:48] some home ownership out of this I think
[2:03:50] is a is a great is a great piece here
[2:03:53] that's a big win that we should take
[2:03:54] away from and um with that I close there
[2:03:57] and I'll entertain the motion before we
[2:04:00] um have a motion there is one missing
[2:04:03] piece of information that I would like
[2:04:05] to explain and that is given the
[2:04:08] constraints that we're under by state
[2:04:10] law you're probably wondering why are we
[2:04:12] having a hearing and the reason for that
[2:04:15] is that that there's a subdivision
[2:04:19] happening here and subdivisions are not
[2:04:21] all all going to occur inside of the
[2:04:23] housing overlay and other subdivisions
[2:04:26] that come forward in the city all of
[2:04:28] these concerns and all of these issues
[2:04:30] that you've raised would be very
[2:04:31] relevant so that's why subdivisions
[2:04:33] require a public hearing even in a case
[2:04:36] such as this when our hands are
[2:04:37] completely tied I just wanted to make
[2:04:39] that clear we're not doing this just for
[2:04:41] the fun of it um but there's a reason
[2:04:45] behind it that's all got you well with
[2:04:48] that we'll uh entertain a motion to
[2:04:51] entertain a
[2:04:54] motion second motion to approve I second
[2:04:58] okay uh Vice chairperson cohens yes
[2:05:02] commissioner hon yes and chairperson
[2:05:04] Richard yes okay this subdivision map is
[2:05:10] approved
[2:05:12] okay administrative items no items items
[2:05:15] to be placed on future
[2:05:18] agendas or did I skip something
[2:05:21] no um we do have at this time the design
[2:05:24] review that you continued previously um
[2:05:27] was originally intended to be on the
[2:05:29] July 17th meeting I think it's not going
[2:05:31] to make that meeting um so we have
[2:05:35] nothing concrete planned for that July
[2:05:37] 17th meeting but that might change in
[2:05:39] the next two weeks
[2:05:41] okay okay moving on on along we got
[2:05:45] commissioner report so we're going to
[2:05:46] start here with commissioner Houston
[2:05:48] roll
[2:05:49] around nothing
[2:05:55] planning sorry I keep on turning this
[2:05:57] off and on um Planning Commission thank
[2:05:59] you for
[2:06:01] um for doing uh your great work
[2:06:04] appreciate it thank you for um giving us
[2:06:07] all this information that we need in
[2:06:09] order to make our decisions so um just
[2:06:12] wanted to say that but that's
[2:06:14] it okay well happy Fourth of July
[2:06:17] everybody there we go that was my very
[2:06:20] brief note was where thank you all for
[2:06:22] being here the right ahead of your long
[2:06:24] weekend I hope you all you
[2:06:27] know this guy okay well not a long
[2:06:30] weekend for all this Z we'll go that I
[2:06:32] appreciate you guys for spending here
[2:06:34] taking some of your time here here with
[2:06:36] us today again appreciate the residents
[2:06:39] I know everyone's is heading out here we
[2:06:40] appreciate you guys for coming out
[2:06:42] letting us know how you feel about these
[2:06:43] things um and with that I won't hold you
[2:06:47] guys in here too long so I call this
[2:06:49] meeting adjourned at
[2:06:52] oh small
[2:06:53] note this clock time is 7:50 here and
[2:06:57] it's 8:08 up there so I'm trying to
[2:07:00] figure out what time it is time go by
[2:07:02] your phone that's the that's always
[2:07:03] accurate it's 807 sorry actually sorry
[2:07:06] that did I do have one one actual
[2:07:10] question and I just thought about that
[2:07:12] something I noticed when we did the sub
[2:07:14] because of this project when we're doing
[2:07:15] the subdivision uh we at the reason I
[2:07:18] brought up the question about other
[2:07:19] projects that we had that were only
[2:07:21] allowed to be rental is there
[2:07:25] any is there any way that we can utilize
[2:07:27] this this set of um the set of zoning to
[2:07:32] encourage more projects that come in
[2:07:34] that allow for or or only allow to do s
[2:07:38] for sale because right now what we're
[2:07:39] doing is we're we're producing this so
[2:07:41] that way they can sell it but it seems
[2:07:43] like there may be a lot of spaces in the
[2:07:44] city where they're already set up to
[2:07:46] just go these will allow you to do
[2:07:48] rentals and thus we don't have we don't
[2:07:50] even have to have have this conversation
[2:07:52] is there something we can do to kind of
[2:07:54] promote there there is the possibility
[2:07:57] to create incentives for someone to
[2:08:00] choose the ownership option um we we
[2:08:03] we've can look at that we've have been
[2:08:05] kind of looking at that for a while now
[2:08:07] we um we're also looking at other
[2:08:09] incentives such as law consolidations
[2:08:11] and so forth we haven't gotten around to
[2:08:13] codifying those yet um we can't make a
[2:08:15] requirement per se um for two reasons
[2:08:18] one um it it's it's a property right to
[2:08:21] be able to sell or to you know have an
[2:08:24] apartment and the other is that we would
[2:08:27] be anticipating the housing market in
[2:08:31] the city in you know in a year from now
[2:08:33] or two years from now and that's not
[2:08:36] really anything that we're qualified to
[2:08:37] do any of us so builders on the other
[2:08:41] hand have a much better um sense of the
[2:08:43] pulse of the of the market and you know
[2:08:47] and I think the applicant had even
[2:08:48] mentioned that if sales are good things
[2:08:50] will go faster
[2:08:52] right but if sales are slow then things
[2:08:53] will take longer they just you know
[2:08:55] that's just the way housing works and
[2:08:59] none of us in this room can tell you
[2:09:01] whether or not the demand that's going
[2:09:03] to come up in two years or something is
[2:09:05] going to be for renders or owners we're
[2:09:07] all banking on it being owners and
[2:09:09] hoping so especially the applicant I'm
[2:09:11] sure but that's the reason why we don't
[2:09:15] want to get to the point where we're
[2:09:16] dictating one or the other makes
[2:09:19] sense well thank you okay so we call the
[2:09:23] meeting adjourned at 809 p.m. 8:09