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Good evening. This is August 11th, 2026.

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We are right at 7 p.m. and this is the

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meeting of the board me altoman for

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Hendersonville, Tennessee. We welcome

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you and appreciate you all being here

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and those who are watching us online or

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on TV. We're going to begin our meeting

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as we typically do and that's with a

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prayer and the pledge of allegiance. And

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tonight providing our prayer is Doug

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Skinner. He is the pastor of Vic Victory

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Baptist Church. He's a new pastor there,

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but the church has been involved in our

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community for a long long time and has

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been uh a very important part of our

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community. Pastor Skinner, we appreciate

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you being here and appreciate what

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you're doing for our community.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Dear heavenly father, we thank you Lord

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for this good day of life. We thank you

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Lord for health and the opportunity to

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be here this evening. We thank you Lord

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for the wonderful country and nation

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that you've allowed us to be born in or

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to live in. We're grateful for the

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freedoms that we enjoy. We ask that you

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be with those that make decisions for us

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on a grand scale. Lord be with the our

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military, those that keep us safe and

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sacrifice a portion of their life to

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protect the liberties that that we have.

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We thank you to God for uh your son.

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Most of all without him there would be

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no hope for any of us. We're grateful

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for the death that he died at Calvary,

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the price of our sin that he paid to

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make a way for all men to have equal

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access to what we need most, forgiveness

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of sins, eternal life. We ask, oh God,

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that you would be with those that have

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less than we, those that are struggling,

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those that uh struggle with things

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perhaps we've never experienced.

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Specifically, Lord, we ask that you be

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with Keith Free's mother-in-law. Ask

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that you give wisdom to those, Lord,

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that are caring for her tonight. be with

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this meeting. Dear God, we pray for

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wisdom as well for those that will be

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taking part in leading our community.

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These blessings, favor, we ask in Jesus

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name for his precious name's sake. Amen.

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>> Amen. And again, thank you. That's

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Pastor Doug Skinner at Victory Baptist

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Church. Thank you so much. Please join

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me in the pledge of allegiance.

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I pledge algiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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>> Thank you all.

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» I'm going to entertain a motion that we

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accept the agenda. And keep in mind that

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all three items under ordinance and

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resolutions are waving our twoe rule. I

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will hope that you will allow that. I

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gave you an explanation by email of why

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those are important. Namely that we

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won't meet for a month. Um there is one

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item on there that I have told a couple

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aldermen and I need to do it publicly

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that um I anticipate that I will

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withdraw after some discussion and

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that's resolution 2026-26.

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We had a conversation in um uh in

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general committee uh and we we received

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a a great amount of input and that's

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what I'm hoping for uh tonight and so

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I'm hoping that y'all will allow that to

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be on the agenda. I need a motion,

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please.

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>> Oh, 2628, sorry.

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>> Okay. Um, I need a motion.

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>> We have a motion from Alderman Goodwin

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>> and a second from from Alderman Dixon.

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Any discussion?

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All those in favor of approving the

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agenda as it was prov.

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>> Sorry about that.

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>> Go ahead. I um I would like for us to

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not hear

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item number two, which is resolution

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2026-28.

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Um because and I think this will

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probably come up in citizen comments,

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but um in the general committee, we

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learned that there's actually another B

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business entity that's interested in the

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exact same concept. And so

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we need to do a RFP rather than a a a

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letter of intent. In my opinion, u when

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you have competing

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businesses for the same goal,

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it's just more transparent if you do

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that as a request for proposal. So I I

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feel strongly that that's what we

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actually need to do and then there's no

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need to discuss it because we would

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issue an RFP and then they would submit

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their proposals both of them formally.

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>> So I move to

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>> table uh resolution

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which is item two under ordinances and

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resolutions. So you could only make a

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motion to table the whole motion uh not

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just part of it. So you would need to

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amend that or you would need to request

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that we remove that u that item from the

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>> that's fine. I request that we remove it

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from the agenda.

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>> Okay. So that would be that would be

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item number two. Okay.

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Okay. As I mentioned in uh general

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committee, I think the the input from

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our general committee was very

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worthwhile and I'd like to hear from you

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all tonight, but that needs to be on the

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agenda in order for us to hear from

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y'all. Uh any other discussion on this?

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Jason, you ready for us? Okay. All those

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in favor of removing item two from the

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agenda, press the green button. Those

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opposed to removing item number two,

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press the red button.

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We're missing Alman Goodwin.

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six to six. So we're now back on the

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main motion and that is to accept the

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agenda that was provided to you. Any

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other discussion? Any other motions?

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agenda as provided to you, please press

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the green button. Those opposed, press

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the red one.

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Okay, that passes 12 to zero. Um,

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appreciate that. Now we're on to uh

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presentations and um could I have the uh

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Cal Ripken 12 and under team just sort

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of line up right here just like we were

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just a second ago and it'd be wonderful

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if I can meet the coaches over here by

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the podium.

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» So first I'm going to tell you a little

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bit about these guys and then I'm going

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to ask one of the coaches to uh to fill

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in some of the details. Um, let me read

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here real quickly. Whereas the Twitty

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City 12U baseball team has demonstrated

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exceptional athletic skill, teamwork,

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and sportsmanship throughout the 2026

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season, proudly representing the city of

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Hendersonville on the national stage.

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And whereas the team achieved an

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extraordinary milestone by winning the

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inaugural Cal Ripken 12-year National

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Championship, let me say that again,

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National Championship. Forever securing

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its place in youth baseball history as

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the first ever national champions of

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this prestigious tournament. And whereas

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the championship games were broadcast

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nationally on CBS Sports, providing

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Twitty City and Hendersonville with the

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opportunity to rep represent

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Hendersonville before audience across

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the country with excellence, integrity,

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and determination. And whereas through

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countless hours of practice, discipline,

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and teamwork, these players have

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inspired young athletes throughout our

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community by demonstrating that hard

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work, resilience, and a commitment to

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one another can lead to extraordinary

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success. Now therefore, I, Jamie Clary,

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mayor of the city of Hendersonville, do

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hereby recognize and congratulate the

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Twitty City 12-ear baseball team for

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winning the inaugural Cal Ripken 12-ear

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National Championship and commend the

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players, coaches, families, and

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supporters for this achievement and for

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representing our city with pride and

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distinction. Now, I want to introduce

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you to them. Uh, Sam England.

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Jagger Medley.

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name. Uh Bowen Parsons,

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uh some guy named Tiny.

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[laughter] His real name is Wit, but he

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Sanders. SJ Su, uh Klein Watson, Eli

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Weekes, and Jason Word. Congratulations,

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guys. [applause]

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» So, I appreciate many of the parents

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being here and know that you've got to

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get them to practice, you've got to get

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them to games, you've got to get them to

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tournaments, and you've got to get them

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to the uh uh to everything else that

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they have going on. We also have

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assistant coaches Josh Elliot, Kyle

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Johnson, Jeff Parsons, Klay Sanders, and

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head coach Zack Duke. And I'm going to

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ask Zach to fill in some details of what

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these guys actually accomplished. Go

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>> First of all, thank you. That was what I

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had to say will be nowhere near as

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eloquent as what you just said, just so

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you know. Um, but what I just want to

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put into a little bit of perspective of

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what these boys actually did accomplish

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this year as a team as of 12-year-old

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boys, they went 70 and five.

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We every tournament that we entered

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which was I think between the fall and

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spring combined was 10. We were in a

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championship game of every single one.

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everything else. And that is

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exceptional because it's not like we

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were just playing teams from the

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Nashville area. We put these boys up

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against the best possible competition we

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could find. Up in Coopertown for the

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Ripken Nationals. We beat teams from

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California, Florida, North Carolina,

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South Carolina, you name it. And what makes travel baseball different

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than what you're watching right now,

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Little League World Series on ESPN,

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everybody's watching that. So, the rules

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for Little League International is that

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you have to be live within the

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boundaries of a little league zone.

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Travel baseball, those rules do not

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exist. You can put together a roster of

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kids from wherever you want, however you

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can recruit them and get them to play

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for your team. What makes us unique is

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we are all from right here and we can

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compete with teams made up of kids from

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five and six different states and we can

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beat them and we proved it. We prove

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that we belong on that level on that

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stage and these boys don't shy away from

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it. And I'm so proud of them, so proud

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to coach them. What they bring every day

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is exceptional. They truly do represent

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the absolute best that this area has to

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offer and it's an honor and I appreciate

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all the parents trust and support and we

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my goal is not for them to be content

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with their 12U success.

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My goal is for them to be leaders on

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their high school team and continue to

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develop and possibly earn opportunities

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to play after high school. So this is

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step one for them. I hope they all

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continue to work and continue to be the

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example for the younger generations that

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they have been to this point.

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Thank you. [applause]

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Co coach, introduce your assistant

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coaches or I guess they're assistant

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coaches.

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>> This is Josh Elliot. He's actually our

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GM. We say he handles all of our

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communication and

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>> team details. Have Kyle Johnson behind

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him. have Klay Sanders and him and we

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have Jeff Parsons in the back and they

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truly are baseball royalty in this area.

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They're sort of well except for Joshua's

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Basketball, but I think Clay and Jeff have a rich history of what they accomplished

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as players in this area. Kyle played in

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college as well. I'm kind of relatively

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new to this area. I moved here about 10

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years ago, but I quickly learned that

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these are the guys that I need to have

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in my corner if we're going to do

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something special. And they have been

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instrumental in developing these boys to

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this point and will continue to be

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moving on.

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>> Thanks, guys. Congratulations.

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[applause]

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» Coach, make sure to grab your

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proclamation.

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» [laughter]

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» Don't Don't let me see you at the

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grocery store cuz I'll be asking.

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» Wow.

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>> I bet Gilly knows where he lives.

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>> Text Gilly right quick.

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Next item on our agenda is public

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hearing, but we don't have any. And then

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the minutes, those are the minutes that

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were provided to you from our July 28,

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20126 meetings.

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>> We have a motion from Alderman Garza

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and a second from Alderman Goodwin. Any

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discussion? All those in favor of

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approving the minutes that were provided

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to you in your packet, please say I.

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Those opposed, please say no. That

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passes unanimously. Next, we have

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citizen comments.

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We have four people signed up. Uh,

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speakers must identify themselves by

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name and address. Public comment shall

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be limited to five minutes per

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individual, which time is not

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transferable to other speakers. All

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comments are to be directed to the

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presiding officer, that's me, me, not to

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the alderman, city staff, or other

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members of the public. Comments must

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address issues, not individuals or

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personalities. Personal attacks shall

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not be tolerated. Comments may support

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or oppose particular issues or measures,

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but the motives of those with differing

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views shall not be questioned or

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attacked. Malicious comments will not be

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allowed. Speeches for or against

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particular candidates running for office

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shall not be allowed. We have Thomas

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Kian of Carolyn Lane in Gal.

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» Yes, ma'am.

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>> How you doing?

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>> Good. Uh how are y'all doing? Um uh so I

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was want to speak to I think it's

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resolution the the second item there. Uh

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just to clarify. Uh so

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a month ago

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thereabouts the whole country was proud

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to be American swept up into 50th fever.

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Um also at that time uh the board u

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was ready to celebrate Hendersonville's

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history by protecting it. Um now just a

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month later uh we've got a resolution

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for the upper Raptor Berry House to be

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considered under development.

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Um

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my opinion of this is that the city is

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now looking at a choice.

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Uh they can choose to maintain ownership

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of the property or to let a developer

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uh take it over and do what they see fit

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with it uh within the bounds. Um, now as

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a historian, my opinion is that the city

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should retain the ownership of this

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property because it's a historical

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treasure.

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Um,

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it represents

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the first some of the first founders of

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Hendersonville um as they moved here

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from their fight in the Revolutionary

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War. Um,

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with that, I think that one of the best

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things that the city could do is to

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retain that and use it as a a historic

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city center. Um,

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if you allow the sale of this, then as

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my understanding, you'd have to ask

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them, hey, can we use this to do certain

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things that we would might want to do as

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the city there? Um,

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you can own a piece of your history if

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you continue that. Um,

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[snorts]

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the developer I assume has some

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historical obligation to it. Uh, but

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I've seen that in the past and they have

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not

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uh they have not done things in the way

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that a historian would appreciate things

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to be done. um even when you know

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they're told like hey you need to do

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things you know to maintain the history

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of the site um

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I think the best way for the history to

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be preserved and bear in mind that this

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is Hendersonville's history

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um is for it to be restored very

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respectfully to the full history that

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represents the entire history of that

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site and you probably know a a lot of

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that history, so I don't need to go

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through all of it here again. Um, but it

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needs to have its rightful place as a

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historical monument for the town instead

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of

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whatever somebody wants to do with it.

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Um,

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one of the things that I've been working

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on in with the site is, uh, we know that

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there's graves there. Um, currently

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there's one monument there. Uh, well,

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there's two. One was put up by the D,

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but one historical monument. Um, in the

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1930s, the WPA

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took up a project to document historical

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cemeteries around the state and in other

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places. And depending on whose report

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you read from that WPA finding, there's

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11 to 18 graves that were known, and

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most of those were marked at the time.

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Um, at this point, I haven't found but

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one marker up there. Uh, so there's a

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lot more going on and that's of the

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graves that we know of if we just go on

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the WPA.

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Um, it's not

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it's history, so it can be what it can

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be, but we're also aware that there were

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slaves owned at that property and those

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grades are typically not marked and

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they're not necessarily easy to find. I

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don't know if there's any of those

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there. I highly suspect that there are,

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but we haven't had the time. You know,

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bear in mind that we've had an

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agreement, and I represent the part of

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the Bradford Berry Society. You know,

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we've had an agreement

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>> in 30 seconds.

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>> Thank you, sir. Uh, we've had an

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agreement for a month. It's hard to do

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things in a month with that. And I would

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prefer

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for those graves to be found in a

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respectful way, not when somebody runs a

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track room. That has happened before

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with developers that had archae

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archaeologist attached. U so I would

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respectfully request that you delay or

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preferably just

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reconsider a different

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>> Mr. Killian. Thank you. Next we have uh

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Rick Fox from Walnut Drive.

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Good evening. My name is Rick Fox. I

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live at 108 Walnut Drive, uh, Ward One.

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And as some of you know, I'm not only

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the representative for the war, the beer

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board from Ward One, but have been

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honored the last few years to be elected

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as its chairperson. And that's a

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responsibility I am very grateful for

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and hold with a lot of respect and a lot

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of dignity. And it would be

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inappropriate if I didn't immediately

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thank my two aldermen, the Marks, for

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all their help and support. That's about

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as the cutest way as I can say it. Um,

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you folks have been very good about

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always congratulating and thanking those

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of us who serve, but there's been a

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couple of events recently that have

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involved the rear board, and I'm going

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to try to do this without emotion that I

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thought it was time that we stood up and

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said the same thing back.

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I would put our beer board up against

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any volunteer board I've ever worked on

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in my life and I've been around for a

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day or two

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and I know there's others that are good,

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but we've got a great board and a great

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membership.

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But as good as they are, I think there's

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three other things that need to be

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mentioned and that's why I'm really here

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tonight. Three-point sermon.

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One of those is the staff.

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I have a fair idea of what goes on

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before, after, and during our meetings,

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between our meetings to get us ready and

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make us so efficient and so effective.

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But I don't know it all.

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But I've got a great appreciation for

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what our staff does to help us. And

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we've got two sitting up there that

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really, really help us on an ongoing

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regular basis.

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The second thing is the board liaones.

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We've had some great liaison. When I

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started on this board of beer beer

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board, it was Russ Edwards.

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Then it became Karen Dixon. And for the

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last two years, it's been Terry Goodwin.

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I know that my board members and I would

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put Alderwoman Goodwin up as the shining

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star and the excellent example of what

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it means to be a liaison.

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She's there at every meeting. She's

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professional. She's helpful. She's

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appropriate. She shares when she should.

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She gives us guidance and direction. She

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supports us. And the neat thing about

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having Alderwoman Goodwin as your

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beerboard liaison is that you get two

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for the price of one.

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But the other thing that really brought

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me here was there have been times with a

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number of you where there's been a

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beerboard issue that I've needed to

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reach out. Maybe it was something that

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happened with somebody and you know had

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come to us or a business

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upon occasion. It's been a time for

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somebody to be re nominated and I wanted

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to be sure that happened.

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Most recently, it's been where we had a

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beer board representative who relocated

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out of state and we had to get a

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replacement.

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I want you all to know

544
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that every conversation I have ever had

545
00:22:10,159 --> 00:22:13,760
with the senior alderman from Ward 6 has

546
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,799
been nothing but happy, positive,

547
00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:20,880
professional, helpful, supportive.

548
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,559
You can list all the adjectives you

549
00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:25,520
want.

550
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,200
I've been greeted with a smile. I've

551
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,360
been greeted with respect.

552
00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:31,520
And there's never been a time when I

553
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:32,880
haven't hung up that phone or walked

554
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,760
away where I didn't feel that the the

555
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,760
plan of action or the consensus we came

556
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,840
to would not benefit the people involved

557
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,919
or the business involved, the citizens

558
00:22:43,919 --> 00:22:46,720
of this city, Hendersonville as a whole,

559
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,159
and the beer board.

560
00:22:50,159 --> 00:22:52,000
So, I'm going to bend the gavl rule a

561
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,400
little bit.

562
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,400
I want to thank you for everything you

563
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,000
have done to support me personally and

564
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:03,669
support the beer board. I will miss you.

565
00:23:03,679 --> 00:23:06,960
I wish you a long and happy, joyful,

566
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,320
well-deserved life.

567
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:09,840
>> Amen. [laughter]

568
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,520
>> Eddie, may God bless you always. I

569
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:14,559
yield.

570
00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:16,320
>> Thank you, Mr. Fox. Appreciate that. And

571
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:17,440
for the record, the other two people

572
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,679
he's talking about are Gabby and Lance.

573
00:23:19,679 --> 00:23:21,716
Um

574
00:23:21,716 --> 00:23:22,640
[laughter]

575
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,760
>> uh next is JD ter JD Tatum of Merit

576
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:35,990
Drug.

577
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,280
» Good evening. My name is JD Tatum. Um I

578
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,600
live at 1011 Merrick Road. Uh we also

579
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,559
have a property in Manser Farms and uh

580
00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:46,240
behind the hospital over off Homestead

581
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,640
Place. Uh my husband and I have been in

582
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,559
this community. I've been here over 25

583
00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:52,400
years. He's been here his entire life.

584
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,360
This is our home. Um we have been

585
00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:57,919
spending countless hours and many years

586
00:23:57,919 --> 00:24:01,840
working on trying to put together um a

587
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,640
food truck and music venue park for our

588
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,720
community that fit our community. Not

589
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,960
just one that you see up the road that

590
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,559
might last a few years, but one that's

591
00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:13,200
truly for our community. Tonight, you're

592
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,360
going to hear that there is a letter of

593
00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:18,320
intent to be presented um on the same

594
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,880
property that we're interested in. Um

595
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,400
you're going to hear a lot about the

596
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,880
Bradford Berry House and those of us

597
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,039
that want to preserve it both inside and

598
00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:29,279
out, making sure that it remains with

599
00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:31,600
the city while still being able to have

600
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,559
our venue that will bring so much to our

601
00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:38,720
community. Um, across the way, Terry and

602
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,559
I have dedicated countless hours to

603
00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:42,320
researching successful venues and

604
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,400
studying why some concepts succeed and

605
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,880
why others fail. We visited similar

606
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,720
facilities, met with food truck owners,

607
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,720
consulted industry professionals. We've

608
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,720
analyzed operating models, and completed

609
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,600
extensive market and financial research.

610
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,279
Based on that work, we've developed a

611
00:24:57,279 --> 00:24:58,720
comprehensive business plan with a

612
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,720
detailed concept drawing specifically

613
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,320
designed to create a financially

614
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,960
sustainable, family-friendly destination

615
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,600
in Hendersonville. All while while

616
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,360
partnering with the Bradford Berry House

617
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:14,960
Presentation Society to make sure that property is renovated in such a way

618
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,880
that it's back to its original condition

619
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,279
using the correct tools and the correct

620
00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:22,000
people. Um,

621
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I'm not asking the board to approve our proposal tonight. I am respectfully

622
00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:29,279
asking that no decision be made and no

623
00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:30,960
letter of intent or other agreement be

624
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,120
accepted, authorized, or executed for

625
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:35,520
this property until we have been given a

626
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,120
reasonable opportunity to formally

627
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:39,760
present our proposal. We are prepared to

628
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,000
present our complete proposal promptly

629
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and would welcome the opportunity to

630
00:25:43,679 --> 00:25:45,039
meet with the appropriate city

631
00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:46,799
representatives. We are simply

632
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:48,640
requesting a fair and transparent

633
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,799
process in which both proposals can be

634
00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:53,360
reviewed before any decision is made.

635
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:54,320
Thank you for your time and

636
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:55,200
consideration.

637
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,360
>> JD, thank you. Uh Tom Williams, Time

638
00:25:57,360 --> 00:25:58,960
Bay.

639
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:09,909
>> Oh,

640
00:26:09,919 --> 00:26:13,360
I apologize for my slowness here. Um my

641
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:15,840
name is Tom Williams. I live at 209 Tiny

642
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,000
Bay Drive in Hendersonville. That's Ward

643
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,640
Two. And I, Mr. Mayor, I appreciate the

644
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,880
opportunity to speak again. Uh, some of

645
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,400
you have already heard a lot of what I'm

646
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,480
going to say and then I'm going to have

647
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,400
to add lib. So, that scares the devil

648
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,120
out of me. Um,

649
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:35,200
last month in a Bulma meeting or

650
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,120
actually probably June, I recall a

651
00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:38,880
unanimous approval by the board to allow

652
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,799
the city to enter into a partnership

653
00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:44,640
with the society, the U. Bradford Berry

654
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,200
Preservation Society for the purpose of

655
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:48,880
allowing the society to proceed with

656
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,200
explorations and plans to find ways to

657
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,400
serve save the the house and eventually

658
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,240
turn it back to the city as a potential

659
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,720
historical, cultural,

660
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,640
and educational venue. And so, as I

661
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,480
asked earlier in the meeting, what has

662
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:05,840
happened to the spirit of that meeting?

663
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,480
That goes to the proposal that's I think

664
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,760
on the board here. Um, November 28th,

665
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,159
2023, Bulma approved conveyance of

666
00:27:14,159 --> 00:27:16,480
Bradford Berry at all, that would be

667
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,720
their property from Mayfair Development.

668
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,559
The Bradford Berry House and cemetery

669
00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:23,679
combined were 1.63 acres and were

670
00:27:23,679 --> 00:27:25,520
proposed for donation to the city. In

671
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,960
addition, a $100,000 donation and the

672
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,919
construction of a rod fence around the

673
00:27:31,919 --> 00:27:34,320
cemetery were proposed for gifting to

674
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,360
the city. Uh, BA approved the amendments

675
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:39,440
and donations. Then the developer

676
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,279
proposed an amended plan that would have

677
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:44,880
included 13.24 acres and no monetary

678
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,559
gift. And I believe the deed of the

679
00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:50,480
property does include the total 13.24.

680
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,559
Um

681
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:54,480
let me see. Resolution is defined as a

682
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,399
firm decision or intent to act or not

683
00:27:56,399 --> 00:27:58,080
act in a particular way. It is the act

684
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,640
of finding a solution to a problem,

685
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,799
dispute or challenging situation. Over

686
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:04,559
the years, there have been many re

687
00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:06,240
resolutions made concerning the the

688
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,960
Bradford Berry property. On February

689
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,640
24th, 2005, resolution 2005-1

690
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,200
designating the Bradford Berry House,

691
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,880
family cemetery, and property to be

692
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,120
historical landmark that was signed into

693
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:22,880
the city records. Um,

694
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,279
now, ordinance is defined as a law,

695
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:27,760
rule, decree, or command usually made by

696
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,000
a city or regional government. As far as

697
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,200
I can tell, there's only been one

698
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,720
ordinance concerning the property, and

699
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,760
that's ordinance 200512 designating the

700
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,240
property as to be historic and was

701
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,520
approved on May 24th, 2005, and upon

702
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,520
second reading passed on June 14th,

703
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,520
2005. [gasps]

704
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,559
Now, we've learned of the new resolution

705
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:52,399
possible um ordinance being uh being

706
00:28:52,399 --> 00:28:55,760
presented uh allowing the lease of the

707
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,320
property and ultimate transfer of of

708
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,919
ownership and I think we've discussed

709
00:29:01,919 --> 00:29:05,595
that in depth earlier. Um

710
00:29:05,595 --> 00:29:06,799
[snorts]

711
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:08,720
at the the lease would be for two years

712
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,200
and at the end of that two years the uh

713
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,440
the proposed owners would become

714
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,279
proposed leaseors would become owners.

715
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:19,760
So my question was what assurances do we

716
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:20,799
have that they will retain the

717
00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:23,840
historical nature of the property um

718
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,919
under their control will Bradford Berry

719
00:29:25,919 --> 00:29:27,760
House and grounds ever be accessible to

720
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,320
the citizens of Hendersonville?

721
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,480
Um so I have to ask a couple of

722
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:33,760
questions. What is the status of the

723
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,520
total acreage? I know I know this has

724
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,679
been bounced around before. Can a

725
00:29:37,679 --> 00:29:39,520
property designated as historic be

726
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:45,679
developed commercially? Uh what and um

727
00:29:45,679 --> 00:29:47,600
I think those of us on the board on this

728
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,440
on the society,

729
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,120
we we have a passion for saving our

730
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,640
history and and and uh advancing our

731
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,080
history and teaching people our history.

732
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,679
As I said in the last meeting I

733
00:29:57,679 --> 00:29:59,520
attended,

734
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,039
there are people who've lived here most

735
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,200
of their lives who've never never heard

736
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,799
of or seen the Bradford Berry House. Um

737
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:09,200
so that that that that's kind of sad,

738
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,000
but um that that's what happens. Those

739
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,520
of us on the board all remember what it

740
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,919
was like when it was up and running. Um,

741
00:30:15,919 --> 00:30:17,440
so there are a lot of questions and I

742
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,039
think as [clears throat] we consider

743
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:21,679
these proposals that are coming before

744
00:30:21,679 --> 00:30:25,520
us tonight, we need to look at the

745
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,120
overall picture, what the what is

746
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,279
brought to the table, what is going to

747
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:31,520
be left for the city and what the city's

748
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,159
responsibilities will be and what the

749
00:30:34,159 --> 00:30:36,559
proposed owners will be. And and I've

750
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:38,159
talked with both groups a little bit

751
00:30:38,159 --> 00:30:41,279
tonight. So, um I I I think I think we

752
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:43,760
need to slow down on making any firm

753
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,039
decisions at this point and and look at

754
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:49,200
all comers and all give our committee

755
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:50,880
again a chance to make this happen.

756
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:51,919
>> Tom, 30 seconds.

757
00:30:51,919 --> 00:30:53,840
>> Okay. Ultimately, the last question that

758
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,080
I have to ask I said this earlier is I

759
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,840
have to put on my dad hat from when my

760
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,760
daughter was dating. I would ask the

761
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:00,880
young gentleman, "What are your

762
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,799
intentions?" Thank you.

763
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:05,039
>> Thank you, Tom. Appreciate that.

764
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:06,559
We have nothing on the consent agenda

765
00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:07,840
and now we're to ordinance and

766
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,840
resolutions. The first one is resolution

767
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,919
2026-25.

768
00:31:11,919 --> 00:31:13,600
This is a resolution authorizing the

769
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:14,799
city's department of parks and

770
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:16,480
recreation to apply for a property

771
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,640
conservation grant with public entity

772
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,000
partners. Alderman Gart, would you like

773
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,440
to make a motion?

774
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,440
>> We have a motion from Alderman Garton

775
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,520
>> and a second from Alderman Evans.

776
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:26,799
Alderman Gart, would you like to speak

777
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:30,000
or go to Alderman Goodwin?

778
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:30,720
>> You could go ahead.

779
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,679
>> No. Um this is just a um a resolution um

780
00:31:33,679 --> 00:31:36,399
with public entity partners. Um it's a

781
00:31:36,399 --> 00:31:40,240
50/50 match um asking for $8,000. So

782
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,480
we'd have a $4,000 match contribution

783
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,080
there and this will go towards lights um

784
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:51,430
or cameras.

785
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:52,799
» Okay. Thank you, Alman Gart. All

786
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:55,200
>> good. I'm sorry.

787
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,440
We c brought it through public safety

788
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,919
tonight and it passed with a positive

789
00:31:59,919 --> 00:32:01,519
recommendation

790
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:04,960
and they are on a time crunch.

791
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,320
>> Alman Gartner, Alman Goodwin, thank you.

792
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,000
Alman Sassy,

793
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,760
>> just to get clarification, I wanted to

794
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,600
make sure the full 8,000 as I understand

795
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,679
it was appropriated in the budget. Is

796
00:32:15,679 --> 00:32:19,200
that correct? In the 2027 fiscal budget,

797
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,519
uh this will actually reduce that amount

798
00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:24,320
to 4,000. So, I wholly support this and

799
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:25,600
we'll be voting in favor of it. Thank

800
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:25,919
you,

801
00:32:25,919 --> 00:32:27,360
>> Alman. Sassy. Thank you. Any other

802
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,679
discussion?

803
00:32:29,679 --> 00:32:31,519
All those in favor of resolution

804
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:33,360
2026-25,

805
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:34,399
please say I.

806
00:32:34,399 --> 00:32:36,000
>> Those opposed, please say no. That

807
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,600
passes unanimously. Next, we have

808
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,240
resolution 2026-28.

809
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,840
This is a resolution approving a letter

810
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:42,960
of intent between the city of

811
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,320
Hendersonville and Landing Spot

812
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,480
Properties LLC regarding the proposed

813
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:47,760
lease and future conveyance of the

814
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,679
Bradford Berry House property. I so

815
00:32:49,679 --> 00:32:52,159
move.

816
00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:52,559
Second.

817
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:55,039
>> We have a second from Alderman Dixon. Um

818
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:57,360
Marty, you shared some information in um

819
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,519
general committee a few minutes ago. If

820
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:00,880
without objection, I'd like to suspend

821
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,559
the rules and hear from Marty Cook, the

822
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:04,240
attorney for this project. You shared

823
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,080
some information toward the end of the

824
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,440
consideration in the general committee.

825
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,519
I think it' be worthwhile um for all of

826
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:11,200
us to hear. Um do you want to give us a

827
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,159
little bit of explanation of what's

828
00:33:12,159 --> 00:33:14,080
going on here?

829
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,519
And if there's anybody, so there's a

830
00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:17,360
couple people here with this group. Um

831
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,279
there's four of them. Um, and so without

832
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:20,960
objection, if y'all have some questions

833
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,880
for any four of them, um, I think it'd

834
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,240
be good for for them to speak on that.

835
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,840
Uh, Alderman Robertson,

836
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,240
>> uh, you sent us a map of the area. Could

837
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,159
you put it on the screen so that the

838
00:33:30,159 --> 00:33:31,200
public can see it as well?

839
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,240
>> Jason has it. Yep.

840
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,320
>> Okay. Thank you.

841
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,000
>> Give me just a second. Marty, Jason, did

842
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,600
I

843
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,799
map? Oh, I didn't.

844
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:42,559
>> I can send it to him if he's got his

845
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:43,279
email.

846
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:45,039
>> So, Alderman Dixon's going to email it

847
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:47,279
to you. Um there is a picture that I

848
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:48,640
sent him that I want to show at some

849
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,880
point. Uh Alderman Dixon is going to

850
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,000
take care of that. Marty, go ahead.

851
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:52,799
Thank you.

852
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:54,880
>> Sure. So I think what we discussed in

853
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,840
general committee is just what the

854
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,000
process would look like. [clears throat]

855
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,640
Um I was approached some time ago by my

856
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,960
clients landing spot properties who had

857
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,880
this idea, this concept that they wanted

858
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,440
to bring to the city. Um, and we

859
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,560
discussed that with the mayor and with

860
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,919
city attorney. And uh, as as we see

861
00:34:15,919 --> 00:34:18,399
often in any kind of business deal, the

862
00:34:18,399 --> 00:34:21,839
first step is you do enter into a letter

863
00:34:21,839 --> 00:34:23,928
of intent, which is not a binding

864
00:34:23,928 --> 00:34:25,919
[snorts] contract. It's simply both

865
00:34:25,919 --> 00:34:30,079
parties saying agreeing to begin

866
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:33,520
negotiations. Um and so usually in that

867
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,599
letter in of intent there is a general

868
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:39,440
framework um that is agreed upon by the

869
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,320
parties but it always contemplates what

870
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,480
we'll oftenimes call a definitive

871
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,119
agreement that will come uh later on in

872
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:50,000
the process. And so that was the goal in

873
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,919
putting this letter of intent to the

874
00:34:51,919 --> 00:34:55,520
city and in front of you all was to um

875
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,040
begin discussions um of of what a

876
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,160
potential uh partnership,

877
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,280
private public partnership um of this

878
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,680
property could look like that would

879
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,200
accomplish purposes of restoring the

880
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,720
Bradford Berry House. I don't think

881
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:14,079
there's any question. I've been involved

882
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:17,040
in discussions over the years of of how

883
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,000
that could happen. And as many of you

884
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,640
know and can imagine, the largest hurdle

885
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,560
is the cost. Um

886
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,000
>> Marty, let me interrupt you real quick.

887
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,640
Lance, what Marty just gave us of his uh

888
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,079
explanation of a letter of intent. Would

889
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:31,119
you agree with that?

890
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:33,760
>> Yes. That's it allows the parties to

891
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,079
evaluate the feasibility. There may be a

892
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:38,160
couple abiding terms to it like uh

893
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,440
exclusivity whatnot but for the first

894
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,200
time in my life I will agree with Marty

895
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,760
>> Cook [laughter]

896
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,599
that's not true. Um

897
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:49,680
>> but yeah I mean I you know I don't think

898
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,520
there's any question that to do anything

899
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,920
with this property is going to take an

900
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,800
incredible amount of money. Um, and so

901
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,320
it is going to take some collaboration.

902
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:08,240
Um, that that that makes sense. And the purpose of us putting this before

903
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:11,920
you all was to look at what that might

904
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,079
look like and then move forward towards

905
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:18,640
seeing if a ultimate [snorts] deal could

906
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,520
be reached that would then become a a

907
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,040
binding agreement.

908
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,400
>> I appreciate that. I want to say a

909
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,720
couple things that I sort of uh hinted

910
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:29,200
at earlier. Um I've seen a couple

911
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,760
comments uh past couple days um about

912
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,680
how um I don't care about Hendersonville

913
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,160
history. Um [laughter and gasps] about

914
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,440
the only thing worse you could say about

915
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,480
me is I don't love my children. Uh um so

916
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,720
I felt like I need to to try to explain

917
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:46,160
a little bit hopefully with a smile on

918
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,160
my face. Um I've got to appreciate first

919
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,760
though Alderman Mark Skidmore. He and I

920
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,560
were both here in 2000 2003

921
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,640
uh when really this situation sort of

922
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,560
climaxed um and and required action uh

923
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,160
from the border mayor and alderman to to

924
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,320
save that house. What had happened was

925
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,400
the house is owned by the family until

926
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,480
about 1968 1969. GE bought it as part of

927
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,680
all the property uh I want to say like

928
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,240
29 acres or so. Uh that property was

929
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:16,720
then sold to Bosch Bosch Automotive

930
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:19,280
which included the house. Bosch allowed

931
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,079
the arts council to use the house uh for

932
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:23,200
a good portion of the time. Then the

933
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,280
arts council moved to Mont Haven and

934
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,040
there was a family living in that house

935
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,920
with with Bosch's permission. Um at that

936
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,560
time what we're talking about when when

937
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,000
Bosch had it um is really so the the

938
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,520
what is now the Aladdin plant which

939
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,839
later became Aladdin and from Gallatton

940
00:37:39,839 --> 00:37:43,440
Road um past the house and another 10

941
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,359
acres behind the house. That's really

942
00:37:45,359 --> 00:37:49,040
what what was one one lot at that time.

943
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,440
Um the May the um the May family bought

944
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,680
it and I can't remember the actual name

945
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,000
um of the organization. It wasn't Jack

946
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,960
May himself uh but the LLC bought it and

947
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,839
they uh told the tenants to to move. Um

948
00:38:05,839 --> 00:38:07,119
and that was the beginning of the

949
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:10,160
decline of the house. Um,

950
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,280
in 2003, anybody who was on the board

951
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,760
then had a very fresh memory of the

952
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,240
Halfway House. Halfway House was a

953
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:20,400
historic home, not near as not near as

954
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,480
old, probably half as old, that sat on

955
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:23,920
the corner of Centerpoint Road and

956
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,400
Gallatin Road. Um, that property had

957
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,839
changed hands in the middle 1990s, and

958
00:38:29,839 --> 00:38:33,200
there was sort of a grassroots effort of

959
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,520
residents who wanted to preserve that

960
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,720
house uh, and restore that house. Um it

961
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:40,720
slowly deteriorated. The city didn't

962
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:42,720
really step in. Uh it was owned

963
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:45,119
privately. Didn't really step in uh to

964
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:47,040
do anything. The community didn't get

965
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,160
moving um as quickly as it needed to.

966
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,480
Slow deterioration of the house and then

967
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,680
a suspicious fire. So that was very much

968
00:38:55,680 --> 00:39:00,480
on our minds in 2003 when now we have

969
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,400
the Bradford Berry House looking like

970
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,839
it's headed toward a a similar destiny.

971
00:39:05,839 --> 00:39:08,560
Uh, does anybody know what's in the

972
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,680
space and what's on the lot that was the

973
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,079
halfway house?

974
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:16,960
It's now Tractor Supply Company.

975
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,920
Um, because of the time and because of

976
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,640
the delays, uh, the house, like I said,

977
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,359
suspiciously burned. Um, basically the

978
00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:27,200
community, the city moved too slowly.

979
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,440
Um, so when Mr. May bought that

980
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,440
property. He presented a plan to the

981
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,400
city uh for a Walmart on that property.

982
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,240
Um which include demolishing the house

983
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:38,800
and removing the cemetery. Uh Alderman

984
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,720
Skidmore and I acted. We saw the need

985
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:43,680
for the the city to stand up uh for the

986
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,520
community that wanted to see the house

987
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,320
uh preserved. Um I actually met Frank

988
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,320
May at the house and got him to lock the

989
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,200
doors after he uh had the family move

990
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,560
out of there. he didn't step in and

991
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,720
become responsible for the house. Um,

992
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:00,240
and I met him over there one day. He

993
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:01,359
claimed that he was going to take care

994
00:40:01,359 --> 00:40:02,560
of the house, but the doors weren't even

995
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,800
locked. Um, I remember meeting him over

996
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,040
there. Uh, Alderman Skidmore and I um

997
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,400
led the effort to create a historic

998
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,560
zoning commission that prevented him

999
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,599
from demolishing the house.

1000
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:14,960
Ideally, it would have prevented

1001
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,400
demolish uh demolition by neglect. Um,

1002
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,440
ideally, um, but you see what's what

1003
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:22,720
happened during the time that he owned

1004
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:26,320
it. Um the board did approve um a plan

1005
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,680
to move the house as part of Mr. May's

1006
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,680
um development. The house is going to be

1007
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,200
moved and deeded to the city and the

1008
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,680
board approved that. Um I proposed that

1009
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,599
no development would take place on that

1010
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:39,839
property until the house was moved.

1011
00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:41,200
Ideally, I'd never want to see the house

1012
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,359
move, but I felt like the best we could

1013
00:40:43,359 --> 00:40:45,040
do is make sure that nothing happened on

1014
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,400
that property to give him an incentive

1015
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,760
to take care of it and uh until until um

1016
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,480
uh until the house was restored. Um,

1017
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,160
does anybody want to take a guess at how

1018
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:58,000
I was appreciated for that effort?

1019
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,680
Um, Mr. May was the number one by far

1020
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,280
contributor to my opponent when I ran

1021
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,920
for re-election in 2006.

1022
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,079
Um,

1023
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:09,760
good things came out of that. Um,

1024
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,560
personally, um, but the owner of the

1025
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,680
house, he did not take kindly to our

1026
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,319
effort to uh to prevent the house from

1027
00:41:18,319 --> 00:41:21,599
being torn down. Um,

1028
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:23,599
fortunately, Mayor Foster suggested some

1029
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:26,000
alternatives later. Uh, but Mr. May was

1030
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,560
unresponsive. In fact, he rejected any

1031
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,720
certified mail that the city sent him.

1032
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:34,640
Um, he was unre he was unresponsible uh

1033
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,640
for the house which allowed the

1034
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,880
demolition by neglect really starting in

1035
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,560
about 2004 2005. The city became the

1036
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,880
default caretaker of the house. Um, even

1037
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,560
though the city didn't own the house. Uh

1038
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,960
when I became mayor, I continued that uh

1039
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,800
encouraging the city to our city staff

1040
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,240
to take care of it. There were some

1041
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:55,440
things that we couldn't do. Um but spent

1042
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,119
some time over there because we knew

1043
00:41:57,119 --> 00:41:59,280
that eventually we were going to become

1044
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:00,960
the default owner of the house. So why

1045
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,480
didn't it it made sense to take care of

1046
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,599
that before it got worse. Unfortunately,

1047
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:07,599
um you you can't fix a roof when you're

1048
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:09,599
not the owner and you you there's some

1049
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:11,359
things you just you just can't do. One

1050
00:42:11,359 --> 00:42:12,800
of the first meetings I had after I

1051
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,720
became mayor was to meet with Jack May's

1052
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:17,760
representatives. um and tried to get

1053
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,720
some things worked out um and and

1054
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:23,040
weren't weren't real successful that

1055
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,480
fortunately Jeff Kundiff who was later hired by Mayfair that's what I was

1056
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,560
thinking later hired by Mayfair is a

1057
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,960
local guy who also had interest in

1058
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,000
seeing the house uh house preserved um

1059
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,920
so the city was deeded the house end of

1060
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,640
2023 a couple things have happened since

1061
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,480
then is we have spent much more time um

1062
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,720
maintaining the house and protecting the

1063
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:46,640
house not restoring ing the house. We

1064
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,800
did have uh some engineers and

1065
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,079
architects take a look at the

1066
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:51,680
foundation, the whole house inside and

1067
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,160
out. Um we spent money on that. The

1068
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,920
board approved that money and came back

1069
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,160
with an assessment of about $1.5 million

1070
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,240
if the city wrote a check uh to restore

1071
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:02,319
that house. Um I let Bowman know that

1072
00:43:02,319 --> 00:43:04,000
back then. I've let you all know a

1073
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,760
couple times since then. Nobody has

1074
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,520
stood up and said, "Hey, let's let's

1075
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,359
spend that money." I have a hard time

1076
00:43:09,359 --> 00:43:11,280
spending that money, too, because I

1077
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,480
think we have a higher priority with

1078
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:13,599
public safety. I think we have higher

1079
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:16,400
priority with roads. um and I committed

1080
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,079
to looking for folks that could possibly

1081
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:22,880
um donate to that house. Um we also

1082
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,200
researched grants um we able to find

1083
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,280
some that we might be eligible for if we

1084
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,680
do some work on it, but none of them are

1085
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,040
1.5 million. Um uh so I continued to

1086
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,280
look for some of those. Um, and I think

1087
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:41,680
I said to Bulma about a year ago that anybody I talked to about using a

1088
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,079
house, we would expect the house to be

1089
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:47,040
restored and maintained. Um,

1090
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,280
there wasn't an appetite that I saw from

1091
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,280
the board to to to spend $1.5 million or

1092
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,240
more. Um, and I have a hard time

1093
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:58,560
maintaining uh a piece of property that

1094
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,000
really doesn't give value to the

1095
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,160
residents. um that might be a little bit

1096
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:03,280
questionable because I think there would

1097
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,400
be some value in that but um I have a

1098
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:07,920
hard time maintaining something that

1099
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,319
like that um and hopefully could find

1100
00:44:10,319 --> 00:44:12,560
somebody to to help us with that. Um

1101
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,160
another thing we did is we looked at

1102
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,800
really separating that instead of the 14

1103
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,000
acres really 10 in the back and the uh

1104
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,319
up front is about four acres I think 3.9

1105
00:44:22,319 --> 00:44:24,079
which is the house the cemetery and some

1106
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:25,920
surrounding property. as we talked to

1107
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,240
people about uh helping us with with the

1108
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:30,240
house. I probably talked to a dozen

1109
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:31,200
different people or different

1110
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,480
organizations. Um and for the most part

1111
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,440
they had one person seemed like she was

1112
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,000
willing to write a check and just give

1113
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,599
that money to the city, but that didn't

1114
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:43,440
work out when it came to some of the tax

1115
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,599
uh needs that she had. Um but everybody

1116
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:47,440
else I talked to, they were looking for

1117
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,480
a way that they could uh recoup the

1118
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:51,680
money that they would invest in the

1119
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,280
house. they wanted some equity in the

1120
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,000
house, some way to make uh some money on

1121
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,760
the house. Um, and so that's where we

1122
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,520
are today. Talked with Jenny and Terry.

1123
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:00,800
Um, talked with, like I said, probably

1124
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,560
10 or 12 other folks that have been

1125
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,880
interested in the house. Um, I do feel

1126
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,359
like when we get to the point that we

1127
00:45:07,359 --> 00:45:08,640
have a letter of intent, I need to bring

1128
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,400
that to you. I need to let you know that

1129
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,960
that's where we are. It's not a final

1130
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,119
agreement by by any matter, but I felt

1131
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:17,359
like we were at the level that no other

1132
00:45:17,359 --> 00:45:20,160
organization has reached with the city

1133
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,000
as far as what they want to do with the

1134
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,760
house as far as their oblig as far as

1135
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,480
their um uh commitment to the house.

1136
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,800
This was the only one of everybody I

1137
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,480
talked to that said, "We're going to put

1138
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,880
money in that house upfront." And as I

1139
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,960
said, I felt like the board um and

1140
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,040
myself expected restoration and

1141
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,920
maintenance of the house at the very least. And finally we had somebody

1142
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,280
that was interested in restoring the

1143
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,160
house before anything else uh anybody

1144
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,160
else wanted to do that. Um so um we also

1145
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,800
made it America 250 project. I sought

1146
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,480
media about this house and what we were

1147
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,480
willing to do Nashville media uh did

1148
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,359
many many online updates. We did a

1149
00:45:57,359 --> 00:45:59,760
request request for proposals and this

1150
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,560
was the the only one that got to this

1151
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,640
level. And so I felt like I I I should

1152
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,520
bring that to you. Um, meanwhile, and I

1153
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,359
explained that I feel like pretty well a

1154
00:46:09,359 --> 00:46:11,280
month ago when we talked about the um,

1155
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,440
preservation society that I thought the

1156
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,119
preservation society the point of that

1157
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:17,280
was to look for multiple partners, not

1158
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,760
just one. And I think I got an agreement

1159
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,280
that that's what we were doing is we

1160
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,280
were talking about one partner and the

1161
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,280
possibility of more. Um, and I feel like

1162
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,800
we all agreed with that. Nobody ever

1163
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,720
told me that profession the preservation

1164
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:32,240
society would have exclus exclusivity

1165
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:34,079
uh to the houses restoration. Nobody

1166
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:36,160
ever gave me the impression that the

1167
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,560
Restoration Society could veto somebody

1168
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,119
else. Um I thought that when we approved

1169
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:42,480
that that we were looking for multiple

1170
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,240
partners and I hope we still are and

1171
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:46,240
that's the impression I get. But in some

1172
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:48,640
of the comments I've seen lately like

1173
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,000
somehow we're pulling the rug out from

1174
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,079
under the the Preservation Society.

1175
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:54,560
That's not the I would have never voted

1176
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,520
to do that a couple weeks ago um if if

1177
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,520
that was the case. Um I voted in favor

1178
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,599
of that partnership. I'm hoping that one

1179
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:03,920
day we could hand the house over to them

1180
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,480
or somebody to restore the house. I have

1181
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,040
no desire to for the city to own this

1182
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,520
house long term. My desire is to see the

1183
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,760
house restored and maintained and used.

1184
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,280
It doesn't bother me if the city's not

1185
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,240
the one doing that. Um I would like a

1186
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:19,920
report from the preservation society. I

1187
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,400
know it's just been a little while, but

1188
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,680
I think all of us expected something at

1189
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,359
some time if we're in partnership. We've

1190
00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:28,640
gotten a lot of information from the

1191
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,400
folks that are interested right now with

1192
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,560
a letter of intent. We haven't heard

1193
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,319
anything from the preservation society.

1194
00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:37,920
Um and so um hopefully we'll we'll get

1195
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,079
that too. We'll get that soon. But right

1196
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:43,280
now, as I sit here the past couple days,

1197
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,599
I worry that this is 2003 all over

1198
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:48,960
again. Um first similarity, halfway

1199
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,640
house.

1200
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,880
Second similarity, um, well, the halfway

1201
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,800
house, as as I mentioned, there's all

1202
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,640
sorts of ambitious plans, but it took

1203
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,319
too much time. Then the house

1204
00:47:58,319 --> 00:48:00,800
suspiciously burned. Um, very

1205
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,920
suspicious. Moving slowly has its risks

1206
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,079
in these situations. Just the other day,

1207
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:08,480
Jason, can you pull this up? This was,

1208
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,280
uh, this was last week. Had vandals get

1209
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,520
in the house. Right next to city hall.

1210
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,280
Police pass by there and park there on a

1211
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,119
regular basis. Right next to right

1212
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:19,760
there, vandals in the house. I'm not as

1213
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,359
worried about weather. I am worried

1214
00:48:21,359 --> 00:48:23,359
about weather, but weather for a couple

1215
00:48:23,359 --> 00:48:25,280
weeks or a couple months and we've sort

1216
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,440
of gotten through that, but vandals are

1217
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:32,400
what what I worry about. Um, and what kind of damage they could do.

1218
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,119
The second similarity with 2023. Um,

1219
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:37,599
supposedly we're moving too quickly. We

1220
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:39,920
heard that. Um, we heard that with the

1221
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,079
halfway house as well. Uh, we heard that

1222
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:45,280
back when Jack May uh wanted to demolish

1223
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:46,960
the house that the city was moving too

1224
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,280
quickly. Third similarity, um, we're

1225
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,839
exposed to accept promises from groups

1226
00:48:51,839 --> 00:48:54,079
without resources.

1227
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:58,800
This went back 2003 when Jack May talked about the house and

1228
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,160
we had a lot of people stepping forward,

1229
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,160
but they didn't have resources. Um, and

1230
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,160
so that's why we had to go with with

1231
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,079
everything else with whatever we had.

1232
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:07,680
The fourth similarity is poor

1233
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,359
information is be being repeated just

1234
00:49:09,359 --> 00:49:12,079
like it was in 2003 when Mr. May was up

1235
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:13,200
here. And I'll give you some example.

1236
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,760
There's one cemetery, not two. Um we've

1237
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,440
had um some some uh uh some people some

1238
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,359
grave explorers over there. It doesn't

1239
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:23,440
make sense. Sa slaves were not buried at

1240
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,359
the front of the house. Um you had the

1241
00:49:25,359 --> 00:49:26,640
family cemetery and then you had the

1242
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,960
slave cemetery further away. We have not

1243
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,119
found any graves, any reason to believe

1244
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:33,760
there's graves on those 3.9 acres other

1245
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,319
than the cemetery. Very similar to some

1246
00:49:36,319 --> 00:49:38,880
of the concerns that um as far as poor

1247
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,359
information. Also, architects and

1248
00:49:41,359 --> 00:49:42,640
engineers have already assessed the

1249
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,240
house. We don't need any more architects

1250
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:45,839
or engineers over there if it means more

1251
00:49:45,839 --> 00:49:48,319
time. And I've heard lately that we need

1252
00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:50,160
to have a full architectural evaluation

1253
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,000
of it. We have that. In fact, I I

1254
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,599
provided to that to all of you all

1255
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:55,040
probably about a year a year and a half

1256
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,680
ago. Um I've also met with more than a

1257
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,200
dozen parties to restore and maintain

1258
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,599
the house. This isn't the only one. Um

1259
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:03,119
the city owns the house, not the

1260
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:04,880
preservation society. I can't tell you

1261
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,559
how many people have talked about how

1262
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:08,240
we're looking at taking this away from

1263
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:10,000
the preservation society. They don't own

1264
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,040
it. The city owns it.

1265
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,040
Also, it's very important to me, and

1266
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,200
this is something that that has bothered

1267
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,599
me, that restoration comes first in this

1268
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:22,480
letter of intent. We haven't given away

1269
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,480
the house expecting something later on.

1270
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,000
I don't think that that would be

1271
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,480
responsible to the city. Also, I've

1272
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,280
heard this is this is irreversible. It's

1273
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,599
not irreversible. This is just the first

1274
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:35,359
step. This isn't an agreement or

1275
00:50:35,359 --> 00:50:37,040
contract. This is not a resoning. This

1276
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:38,640
is not a subdividing. This is not

1277
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,559
transferring public pro property into

1278
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:42,800
private hands. Like I said, I've got an

1279
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,240
obligation when we have this kind of

1280
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:46,079
opportunity to bring it to you. I'm

1281
00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:47,520
excited about the options. I'm excited

1282
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,200
about some of the options we heard from

1283
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,119
uh JD and Terry just a little while ago

1284
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:53,280
that I heard uh several months ago. I'm

1285
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:54,640
excited that we have a preservation

1286
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,040
society uh that's interested in it. I'm

1287
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,800
excited anytime I get a phone call or

1288
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,559
anytime I get an email that there are

1289
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:02,000
other organizations, other people

1290
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,760
interested in that. Um, but we don't

1291
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,400
want the house to fall down. We don't

1292
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,079
want to be vandalized. We need to take

1293
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:12,400
advantage of the time we had to do that.

1294
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,880
We need money.

1295
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,559
We don't have much time. We don't have

1296
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:18,480
much money. If we've got somebody

1297
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:19,839
willing to help us and make an

1298
00:51:19,839 --> 00:51:21,200
investment, I think we've got to take

1299
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,040
advantage. Having said all of that,

1300
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,480
I don't have a problem waiting for a

1301
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,480
month. The reason that I wanted to move

1302
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,599
this and put on the agenda this this meeting is because we don't meet

1303
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:34,800
for a month and I felt like these folks

1304
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,960
that have put a lot of time and expense

1305
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,079
already coming up with this proposal,

1306
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:42,319
not in the house itself. I felt like

1307
00:51:42,319 --> 00:51:44,720
they deserve some input from us. Um

1308
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:46,480
there are some items in the letter of

1309
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,800
intent that I absolutely think that need

1310
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,480
some tweaking, but I would love to hear

1311
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,720
from you all. Um and I think they would

1312
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:54,880
too. That's why they stuck around. Um,

1313
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,720
but like I like I said, um, we need

1314
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:01,200
money. We don't have much time. Um, and

1315
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,240
if we defer it for longer than a month,

1316
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:07,760
I worry that more demolition by neglect,

1317
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,281
um, more vandalism

1318
00:52:10,281 --> 00:52:10,880
[clears throat]

1319
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,599
and we're possibly going to lose

1320
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:14,800
something that is very important to the

1321
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,880
history of Hendersonville. Um, also, if

1322
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,880
we defer it for a month, um, I would

1323
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,400
hope that the Preservation Society would

1324
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,880
tell us what they actually have on hand.

1325
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,480
Uh we've heard of some ideas. We've

1326
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,240
heard those about a month ago. I want to

1327
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:28,319
know what progress has been made. Uh

1328
00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:29,760
because we've got some folks, we have at

1329
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,119
least two organizations right here that

1330
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:33,599
want to make progress right now. Um so

1331
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:35,599
yeah. So any other discussion or do you

1332
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:36,880
want me just go ahead and withdraw it? I

1333
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,040
I'd love to hear some input. I know that

1334
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,160
some of the folks here, Alderman

1335
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,319
Collins, thank you. Um, I alluded to

1336
00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:43,920
this earlier, but I just want to

1337
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,359
reiterate that um, as we now all have

1338
00:52:47,359 --> 00:52:50,640
heard, we have two very similar

1339
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,480
offers coming to us. And while I know it

1340
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:55,920
certainly is true that you can have

1341
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,319
multiple letters of intent and work

1342
00:52:58,319 --> 00:53:01,760
through those, I think the cleaner, more

1343
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,559
transparent way is to issue a request

1344
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:07,760
for proposal and allow people to respond

1345
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,800
to those. And I don't want to shut down

1346
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,760
the concept of a private public

1347
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,359
partnership,

1348
00:53:15,359 --> 00:53:18,640
but um I do want to be cautious about

1349
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,400
it. I think an RFP is

1350
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,280
one thing is the Jesse I asked him about

1351
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,960
the RFP earlier and he told me that it

1352
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,559
was the last one was issued in 2022

1353
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:34,960
and that's before we had the deed

1354
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,440
restrictions lifted. So that in and of

1355
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,200
itself to me indicates that it's

1356
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,800
appropriate to issue a second RFP and

1357
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,200
see now that there are no deed

1358
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,760
restrictions what ideas might come from

1359
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,760
the community for that. I think that um

1360
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,760
it's the most transparent way. It

1361
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,640
protects all of us involved from being

1362
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,640
accused of backroom deals and cronyism

1363
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,559
and all of the things that we know are

1364
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:07,920
going to be said. An RFP protects

1365
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,000
everybody. Does it slow down the

1366
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,400
process? Yes, it does. But I think it's

1367
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,160
worth it to be transparent and upfront

1368
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,400
about what's going on. Um, so I strongly

1369
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,960
encourage an RFP

1370
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,920
and um to the point that I'm not going

1371
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,119
to vote for a letter of intent at all.

1372
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:29,920
Thank you,

1373
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,920
>> Alman Collins. Thank you, Alman Evans.

1374
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,599
>> I I just want to follow up with that,

1375
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:36,480
too. Um, I too would like now that I

1376
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,160
hear that the last time we had one was

1377
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,760
2022,

1378
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,599
I wasn't on Bulma at that time. So, I

1379
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:43,839
would like to to have that out there. I

1380
00:54:43,839 --> 00:54:47,119
think again to Alderman Collins uh

1381
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:48,800
comment about the transparency, I think

1382
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,839
that's important here. Um one thing I

1383
00:54:51,839 --> 00:54:54,640
think it's important to note is that um

1384
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,400
I don't know about the rest of you, but

1385
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,119
I had not seen any of this this letter

1386
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:00,880
of intent or any of this information

1387
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,920
until late last week. And the fact that

1388
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,680
we were getting this late last week and

1389
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,680
it's Tuesday, so maybe four or five days

1390
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,559
that we've had this to digest it, read

1391
00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:12,720
it, and that's a lot of information. I

1392
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:14,480
have a long list of questions I have

1393
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,440
about it and and I understand that uh

1394
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,920
what a letter of intent is, but you

1395
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,280
know, now we're finding out that there

1396
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,599
is someone else that uh would like the

1397
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:25,760
opportunity and and I think that there

1398
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,839
are others. I I think that we should be

1399
00:55:27,839 --> 00:55:30,240
cautious and we should step back and and

1400
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:33,520
not rush through this having I I get the

1401
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,640
understanding of wanting to um wave the

1402
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,119
rule and and and try to but this to me

1403
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:40,720
it seems like it's been pushed too

1404
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:42,160
quickly and there's a lot of questions

1405
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:48,240
on this and and I can't be in favor of voting on this uh to push this along

1406
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:50,720
to today. I'd like to have another uh

1407
00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:53,119
some more time on this and I would too

1408
00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:54,799
would like to hear from the preservation

1409
00:55:54,799 --> 00:55:56,960
society about what the pro progress is

1410
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,920
there and the plan there. I think that

1411
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:02,160
this is now gaining some momentum and

1412
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,440
that we're hearing from a lot of

1413
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,520
different people that we can make a good

1414
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,440
educated decision about the future of

1415
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,160
this and that taking a little bit of

1416
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,720
extra time is prudent in this manner.

1417
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:16,400
Um, I did hear attorney Ry mention

1418
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:17,839
something about when he talked about the

1419
00:56:17,839 --> 00:56:19,599
letter of intent and I heard him say the

1420
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:22,079
word exclusivity. And I want to be

1421
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:24,720
careful that when when this one letter

1422
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:28,000
of intent comes to us, um, we're not

1423
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,920
saying that that just gives them the

1424
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,400
exclusivity and that no one else has the

1425
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,440
opportunity to u present a letter of

1426
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:36,960
intent as well,

1427
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,680
>> just for a a limited time during their

1428
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,160
due diligence. And see, I have a problem

1429
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:42,720
with that.

1430
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:44,480
>> Yeah. But just to be clear, it's

1431
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:45,359
>> Thank you.

1432
00:56:45,359 --> 00:56:48,000
>> Um, so that's that's all it Thank you.

1433
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:49,920
>> Did you want to ask questions?

1434
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:50,319
>> No.

1435
00:56:50,319 --> 00:56:53,839
>> Okay. I appreciate the question. I don't

1436
00:56:53,839 --> 00:56:55,200
think now is the time. I think we all

1437
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,520
need more time to dis to discuss this,

1438
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,520
ask questions, and do more research.

1439
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:00,480
>> Alderman Evans, thank you for your

1440
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,400
input. Alman Garza.

1441
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,240
>> Uh, yeah. I'm coming from a little bit

1442
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:07,280
of a different angle on this. Um, I was

1443
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,040
here in 2003 and I saw that there was

1444
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,359
nothing really done and it's so easy to

1445
00:57:11,359 --> 00:57:13,520
kick the can down the road. I'm not

1446
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:14,799
saying anything about this letter of

1447
00:57:14,799 --> 00:57:16,960
intent. I'm saying it's time if we're

1448
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,480
going to do something to get off our

1449
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,440
butts and do it. And I'm not saying it's

1450
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,319
going to be fast, but uh it's so easy to

1451
00:57:24,319 --> 00:57:27,040
keep postponing and we'll work on this

1452
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:31,599
and we'll change that, we'll do this and that's not leadership, right? We got

1453
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:33,680
to get on top of this thing and find the

1454
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,520
right partners

1455
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:36,960
that are going to do right by the city

1456
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,319
and themselves, too. They're here to

1457
00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:40,079
make a profit. I don't know what that

1458
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:41,760
is. That could be many different

1459
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,799
options. And maybe these this uh refusal

1460
00:57:44,799 --> 00:57:46,720
proposal uh will bring more people out

1461
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,640
of the woodwork and and look at it. But

1462
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,640
I want to I want to go on record. I'm

1463
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,160
not supporting this tonight, this

1464
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:53,839
resolution, just so you know. But I want

1465
00:57:53,839 --> 00:57:55,440
to go on record as it's time to do

1466
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,839
something. It's easy to do nothing.

1467
00:57:57,839 --> 00:57:59,599
That's all I got. Mayor Alman Garza.

1468
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:02,000
Thank you. Alderman Robertson,

1469
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,319
>> who who here would represent the

1470
00:58:04,319 --> 00:58:06,720
preservation society if I have a

1471
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:11,030
question to them?

1472
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,810
» Um

1473
00:58:13,810 --> 00:58:15,760
[sighs]

1474
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,599
Tom, would you want to do it?

1475
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:20,000
>> I I don't know that I can answer all the

1476
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,559
questions. I defer a lot to Mark, but

1477
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:25,359
>> Okay. I think between two or three of us

1478
00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:28,000
>> I I guess all the the the basic question

1479
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,680
is where does the preservation committee

1480
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,640
uh stand as far as trying to get money

1481
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,559
to help restore the house?

1482
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:38,000
>> Mark has information on this that I

1483
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,280
don't have.

1484
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,119
>> Well, we do have several board members

1485
00:58:41,119 --> 00:58:44,160
who are very active in grant seeking and

1486
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,520
uh they've turned over every um stone,

1487
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,119
lots of them. If you would like a

1488
00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:50,480
summary, I don't think this is

1489
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,079
necessarily the time to do this. Again,

1490
00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:55,520
as we're reading this particular um uh

1491
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,440
resolution, I would be happy to share

1492
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:58,720
that stuff with you. You can go to

1493
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,359
bradford.org if you'd like to know any

1494
00:59:01,359 --> 00:59:02,720
more information about that. I believe

1495
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,240
we've uh published our um minutes on

1496
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:07,440
those too.

1497
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,599
>> Okay. So, so we have applied for grants,

1498
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:11,359
but none

1499
00:59:11,359 --> 00:59:13,520
>> No, we have not applied for grants. We

1500
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:14,880
are seeking

1501
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:15,359
>> Okay.

1502
00:59:15,359 --> 00:59:17,920
>> the process. We've only been uh actively

1503
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:19,200
seeking for about a month.

1504
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:19,920
>> Okay. So,

1505
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,000
>> and I know Alderman Burgdorf, you've

1506
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,520
worked hard on this project. I've seen

1507
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,160
you at a lot of events, you know, with

1508
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:30,240
your poster and your handout cards. So,

1509
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,119
all right. As we move forward, and I

1510
00:59:33,119 --> 00:59:36,079
like what re what Alderman Collins is

1511
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:39,680
suggesting, a new RFP,

1512
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,079
but let me ask you, mayor, uh, and I

1513
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:44,160
apologize for my lack of knowledge on

1514
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,319
this. is parcel E. Does the city own

1515
00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:50,480
parcel E on the map?

1516
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,559
Is that part of the land that was given

1517
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:53,760
to the city?

1518
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,720
>> Parcel E.

1519
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,799
>> I don't see a parcel

1520
00:59:58,799 --> 01:00:00,160
E.

1521
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:00,720
>> Oh, it's not.

1522
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,319
>> So, the one that says city owned, is

1523
01:00:02,319 --> 01:00:04,079
that parcel E?

1524
01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:05,040
>> That's my question.

1525
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:08,079
>> You have to scroll down on this map.

1526
01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:08,799
>> It's on our page.

1527
01:00:08,799 --> 01:00:11,359
>> Jason, you scroll down a little bit.

1528
01:00:11,359 --> 01:00:15,040
>> Uh, there we go. Yes. So, um, parcel E

1529
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:19,280
is also ours. Um, it is the back 10

1530
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,400
acres and it includes part of the

1531
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,880
parking lot for Aladdin

1532
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,440
>> and and no restrictions on that land.

1533
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:28,240
Correct.

1534
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:29,920
>> I wouldn't say no, but it's pretty close

1535
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,839
to none. And we have to thank Jesse for

1536
01:00:31,839 --> 01:00:32,319
that.

1537
01:00:32,319 --> 01:00:32,720
>> Yeah.

1538
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:33,760
Yeah. Absolutely.

1539
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,280
>> Great. So, what I would like to see uh

1540
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,000
on an RFP, just so that at least two of

1541
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,480
the interested parties are here,

1542
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,920
>> is I'm not really interested in uh

1543
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,000
giving up any of the city- owned land

1544
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,720
where the property where the home is,

1545
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:54,400
but if we could possibly use some of the

1546
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,040
land in that's identified in parcel E

1547
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:01,520
for this purpose of the food trucks

1548
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:05,280
um and and uh and and then [cough] the

1549
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,160
restoration but but not affect the land

1550
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,480
if if that's a possibility. Do does the

1551
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,319
city have any plans for partial E?

1552
01:01:14,319 --> 01:01:17,680
Jay, have you heard any

1553
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,480
So we the city has no plans. I would

1554
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,079
have brought those to you. Jay has had

1555
01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:23,280
some conversation with some folks. Do

1556
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:24,480
you want to share those or should I just

1557
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:25,520
leave it at that?

1558
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:25,920
>> Okay.

1559
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,960
Well, that to me that that that's

1560
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,799
a possibility is for is for the the the

1561
01:01:32,799 --> 01:01:35,839
city to to provide this land for the for

1562
01:01:35,839 --> 01:01:39,680
these food trucks in parcel E. And part

1563
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,640
of that is to restore the house. But I

1564
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,920
and I'm also opposed to to giving any

1565
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:51,760
part of the ownership of that house to to an outside private entity. I would

1566
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,079
like for that to to be maintained by the

1567
01:01:54,079 --> 01:01:56,000
city and then at the appropriate time as

1568
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,280
you mentioned uh deed over to the

1569
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,760
preservation society. So those are just

1570
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:06,160
two of my wishes as the RFPs

1571
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,720
look at proposals. Thank you Robertson.

1572
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,240
Thank you. I do feel like we this is

1573
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,079
suspicion of mine Jay. Is the back

1574
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:13,920
portion significantly more valuable than

1575
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:21,510
the front portion?

1576
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,520
Okay. Okay. Just to let y'all know that.

1577
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:25,040
But I appreciate that input and that's

1578
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:26,240
certainly something that we should

1579
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:27,280
entertain.

1580
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,200
>> Uh, Alderman Evans,

1581
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,440
>> going off of what Alderman Robertson was

1582
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,920
just saying. I'd like to hear as a part

1583
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:38,079
of the whole um discussion to hear from

1584
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:40,319
Director Ritterbach about, you know,

1585
01:02:40,319 --> 01:02:42,559
what might be used or what's being

1586
01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:45,359
proposed in that section E. I think that

1587
01:02:45,359 --> 01:02:46,640
makes a difference

1588
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,240
>> uh as far as what we might be looking at

1589
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:49,040
in the future here.

1590
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:50,880
>> Can we do that in a month?

1591
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,440
>> I I don't know. Yeah, in a month. Yeah.

1592
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,119
When whenever we look at everything, I

1593
01:02:55,119 --> 01:02:56,960
think just having a book big picture of

1594
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:58,480
everything and what we're looking at

1595
01:02:58,480 --> 01:02:59,359
would be helpful.

1596
01:02:59,359 --> 01:02:59,680
>> Okay.

1597
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:00,000
>> Thank you.

1598
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:00,799
>> I think you're right. Thank you,

1599
01:03:00,799 --> 01:03:02,079
Alderman Collins. Alman Collins.

1600
01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:05,200
>> Um just a clarification for Mr. Renbach.

1601
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,040
Is it more valuable because it's 10

1602
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:11,839
acres or is it more valuable per acre?

1603
01:03:11,839 --> 01:03:14,720
>> Is it significant? So, um, go ahead,

1604
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:15,920
Jay. You're not really prepared for

1605
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,043
this, but and don't answer anything that

1606
01:03:19,043 --> 01:03:19,680
[laughter]

1607
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,160
you you can't back up, please.

1608
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,000
>> I believe it would be more significant

1609
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,119
because there it's it's a green space or

1610
01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:28,559
it's it's it's not developed with a

1611
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:30,400
house in the middle of it. So, it's

1612
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:36,880
basically a blank canvas. Um, and it is larger. Um, and the way that you

1613
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,440
can access that potentially from

1614
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,839
multiple directions make make its

1615
01:03:41,839 --> 01:03:44,079
potential much more than the Bradford

1616
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:47,200
Berry House.

1617
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:48,960
>> Alman Collins, anything else?

1618
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,039
>> Uh, no. It sounds like we have a really

1619
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:52,960
good bargaining chip with that 10 acres,

1620
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,839
so we might be able to really milk it.

1621
01:03:55,839 --> 01:03:57,200
>> Alderman Collins, thank you. Alman

1622
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:58,559
Skidmore.

1623
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:00,400
>> Thank you, Mayor. I I just want to say a

1624
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,480
couple of things, but I'm I'm not going

1625
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,000
to go into detail on what I what I

1626
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,240
really want to say because I don't think

1627
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,960
it's appropriate to do it this evening.

1628
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:14,160
Um, a lot of this I, you know, and I'm

1629
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:15,680
going to remind the board and I know

1630
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,760
they know this because this happens

1631
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,079
every time when we wave the rule.

1632
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:21,760
Sometimes I don't have a problem with

1633
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,000
it. tonight. I do have a problem with it

1634
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:28,240
because this really, honest to God, is a

1635
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,359
serious issue that is coming before the

1636
01:04:31,359 --> 01:04:35,200
city on a historical level. I mean, this

1637
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:40,720
is probably the last home that the city

1638
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:45,119
uh right now is responsible for. Um, and

1639
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:48,240
I cannot and I will and I'll say this

1640
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,480
anywhere. So, that's why I'm saying this

1641
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:55,520
publicly. I appreciate uh Mayor Clary

1642
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,400
years ago stepping up as he did when he

1643
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:03,039
and I helped with u actually I'm just

1644
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:07,280
you know I'm not going to be what was that in the old days? I think

1645
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,079
Al Gore said that he was the he created

1646
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:11,839
the web or whatever.

1647
01:05:11,839 --> 01:05:13,520
>> He invented the internet.

1648
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:18,720
>> I'm not going to say that we saved the Bradford Berry House. I'm not going

1649
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:22,240
to say that. But I by the actions that

1650
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:25,520
were taken by that board at that time, I

1651
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,839
think that I think it was the the house

1652
01:05:27,839 --> 01:05:32,240
was saved. Um, and I am and I'm forever

1653
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,400
grateful to that, Jamie. I'm very

1654
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:38,640
forever grateful for that. Um, that that

1655
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:40,960
showed a lot of foresight. And so now

1656
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,920
when I I'm like everybody else in the

1657
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,839
here tonight and on TV is when I go by I

1658
01:05:47,839 --> 01:05:49,839
see Jim and Nicks and Chick-fil-A and

1659
01:05:49,839 --> 01:05:52,160
Starbucks, you know, whether I like them

1660
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:54,799
or I I love Jim and Nicks and I love

1661
01:05:54,799 --> 01:05:57,280
Chick-fil-A and I love Starbucks,

1662
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:00,160
but uh you know, I still look and I see

1663
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,880
the the Bradford Berry House, you know,

1664
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:06,240
and and it it bothers me to see the

1665
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,799
condition that it is. But we've got a

1666
01:06:08,799 --> 01:06:11,680
unique opportunity to here to to try to

1667
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:15,280
advance and make that place back to what

1668
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,559
it was and be proud of it. I'm still pr

1669
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:21,280
I know it's dilapidated looking now, but

1670
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:24,480
I'm still proud of that. Uh, not only am

1671
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,200
I proud of the house, but for the people

1672
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,319
that lived in that house back in our the

1673
01:06:30,319 --> 01:06:32,559
history of Hendersonville. I'm proud of

1674
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:36,079
those people. Um, and the things that

1675
01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:38,240
they went through. And if you really

1676
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,520
think about that, um,

1677
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:45,119
that's what we should be looking at. Um,

1678
01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:47,920
I want to look at that. And I'm sort of

1679
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,559
perplexed about I do want and I'll

1680
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:52,960
finish Jamie on this, but there's a lot

1681
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,920
of things that I want to say that h that

1682
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,799
happened uh that I'm not going to say

1683
01:06:58,799 --> 01:07:03,599
because of one thing. When I when I step

1684
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:07,680
in when I walk in that hallway and I

1685
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:11,359
come in, I'm an alderman. I'm not Mark

1686
01:07:11,359 --> 01:07:13,680
Skidmore. And I'm Mark Skidmore, but I'm

1687
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,880
not Mark Skidmore, the citizen. I

1688
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,680
represent the city of Hendersonville,

1689
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,799
but more importantly, Ward One and the

1690
01:07:22,799 --> 01:07:28,079
city. So, my personal feelings sometimes

1691
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:31,440
have to be set aside and I won't comment

1692
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:35,520
on it. uh unless I say there, you know,

1693
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:36,960
I might have an interest or something,

1694
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,440
not on this property, but

1695
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,760
if something comes on that that I've got

1696
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,160
a conflict, I'll say something about it

1697
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:46,079
then because I think the people of

1698
01:07:46,079 --> 01:07:48,640
Hendersonville deserve to know that

1699
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:50,640
because I've represented them for a

1700
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:55,119
while, which I'm grateful for. Um, but I

1701
01:07:55,119 --> 01:07:57,680
think this is this this whole thing that

1702
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:01,280
we're talking about tonight is exactly

1703
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:05,520
why we wanted to defer it

1704
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:08,559
uh this evening to allow the whole board

1705
01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:10,400
of alderman

1706
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,680
uh to review what has transpired. And I

1707
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:15,839
know that we've talked about what the

1708
01:08:15,839 --> 01:08:18,960
mayor has said and and and there are

1709
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,040
some things that I agree with him on,

1710
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:22,560
but there's some things that I don't

1711
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,440
agree that I think we need to wait, you

1712
01:08:25,440 --> 01:08:28,640
know, we need to step back. And I still

1713
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,440
think we need to step back. Um, and I

1714
01:08:31,440 --> 01:08:34,400
don't think a month is is is not unre

1715
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:36,880
it's not unreasonable. I think it's very

1716
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:41,520
reasonable to allow the Bradford uh

1717
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,799
Berry Preservation Society to look at

1718
01:08:44,799 --> 01:08:48,159
because I will tell you this in closing.

1719
01:08:48,159 --> 01:08:51,679
Um, I'm not sure they've they they've

1720
01:08:51,679 --> 01:08:54,640
been in existence in a month and to

1721
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,799
raise money within and I'm going to tell

1722
01:08:56,799 --> 01:08:59,759
you to raise money and you all know

1723
01:08:59,759 --> 01:09:03,120
this. Gosh, all the the people that have

1724
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:05,600
been involved in schools and raising

1725
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:09,040
money for PTO, it takes more than a

1726
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,560
month sometimes to raise money. I mean

1727
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:17,520
they plan in in my ward for example when

1728
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,880
we plan like a book fair

1729
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:24,080
for our schools man we've been planning

1730
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:27,199
that a year you know I'm and I'm being

1731
01:09:27,199 --> 01:09:29,520
realistic about this I'm I'm not you

1732
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:31,839
know making a joke out of it because it

1733
01:09:31,839 --> 01:09:34,319
is important just like the book the book

1734
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:38,239
fair is or like when they have uh things

1735
01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:41,040
for the kids to do outside the you know

1736
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,279
the summer in the fall festivals and

1737
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:47,359
things, you can go ask those teachers.

1738
01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:50,400
You can ask school administration and

1739
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:52,960
they're planning that a year before it

1740
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:54,719
ever happens.

1741
01:09:54,719 --> 01:09:56,400
Well, this is the kind of thing that I

1742
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,120
want to do to the Bradford Berry. I want

1743
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,600
to plan something

1744
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,719
and make sure people get involved in it

1745
01:10:04,719 --> 01:10:07,199
and have knowledge of it because like I

1746
01:10:07,199 --> 01:10:09,760
think a gentleman said about it, you can

1747
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:11,679
go I could probably go right up the

1748
01:10:11,679 --> 01:10:14,560
street off of Rivier Riviera and ask

1749
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:16,239
them who the Brad where the Bradford

1750
01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:17,360
Berry House and they go, "What are you

1751
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,840
talking about?" Well, it's a historical

1752
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,719
house. Okay. Well, that's great. That's

1753
01:10:22,719 --> 01:10:24,480
I'm glad we've got something, you know,

1754
01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:26,480
some history in town because we don't

1755
01:10:26,480 --> 01:10:29,040
have very much of it left. But where is

1756
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,600
it? Because people just don't know.

1757
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:33,920
They've got their own lives to live. My

1758
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,640
god. You know, they're making a living.

1759
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:38,800
They're driving to Nashville and back.

1760
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,280
They've got children going to the park.

1761
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,719
So, it is up to not only the city, but

1762
01:10:44,719 --> 01:10:47,600
the Bradford Berry Preservation Society

1763
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:51,040
to engage and educate the people of

1764
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:52,960
Hendersonville. And I don't see a

1765
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,840
problem with that. I really don't. But

1766
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:59,040
what I do see a problem is is when the

1767
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,600
Bradford Berry Preservation Society, for

1768
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:03,440
example,

1769
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:06,400
um goes to these heavy hitters that have

1770
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:10,719
the money to donate to the city and to

1771
01:11:10,719 --> 01:11:12,719
their society.

1772
01:11:12,719 --> 01:11:14,880
But we're sitting up here arguing about

1773
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:19,199
this. They want to see someone or some

1774
01:11:19,199 --> 01:11:22,159
organization, whether it be uh the city

1775
01:11:22,159 --> 01:11:24,560
of Hendersonville or the Bradford Berry

1776
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,040
Preservation Society, they want to see

1777
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:30,400
us working together and we're all in on

1778
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:32,800
this because they're not going to give

1779
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:34,640
money to people when they're saying,

1780
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,679
"Well, gosh, well, damn. They're they're

1781
01:11:37,679 --> 01:11:39,360
up there arguing about what they want to

1782
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,360
do with the house.

1783
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:43,040
Would

1784
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:47,040
you give money to that? I wouldn't. I

1785
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:49,679
mean, I Preservation Society, I would

1786
01:11:49,679 --> 01:11:52,000
because I know what they're doing. City

1787
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:53,360
Hendersonville. Yeah, I would because I

1788
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:55,440
know what they're doing. But when we get

1789
01:11:55,440 --> 01:11:58,400
up here and argue about it, we should be

1790
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,239
united.

1791
01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:03,120
Figure out what we've got to do. And if

1792
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,920
I'm on the losing side, that's fine

1793
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,320
because I want to save that house. And I

1794
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,640
think every member of the board of

1795
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:13,679
alderman want to save that house. And I

1796
01:12:13,679 --> 01:12:15,440
think the city of Hendersonville, its

1797
01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:18,320
people, which I represent as not only as

1798
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:21,440
a ward alderman in ward one, but also

1799
01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:24,159
the city, I think they want to save it,

1800
01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:28,880
too. I really do believe that because,

1801
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:30,719
you know, it's the greatest thing in the

1802
01:12:30,719 --> 01:12:34,640
world being living in America and living

1803
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:37,280
in Hendersonville.

1804
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:40,719
We're, you know, you you look at where

1805
01:12:40,719 --> 01:12:44,159
we came from. We're all a bunch of um

1806
01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:47,440
>> muts I guess, is the word. And we

1807
01:12:47,440 --> 01:12:51,360
really are. And uh we came from England

1808
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:53,520
and and other foreign countries. They we

1809
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,920
were kicked out and we came to this

1810
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:57,840
country

1811
01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:59,520
and then we fought for our own

1812
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,480
independence because we believed in a

1813
01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:05,360
better for people, not just for a

1814
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,320
country. But you all know this, for a

1815
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,360
better society to live and to raise your

1816
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:14,560
children and to and to to go to church

1817
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,520
where you wanted to go to church

1818
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:20,640
and the Bradford Berry House is a living

1819
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:25,040
legacy of that people.

1820
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:28,800
It was given to the man who lived there

1821
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:34,630
from the American Revolution.

1822
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:38,000
I'm going to get off my soapbox,

1823
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:41,280
but I but I want you to understand the

1824
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:45,679
importance of what that house is.

1825
01:13:45,679 --> 01:13:47,760
It's more important and and I hate to

1826
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,239
say this, but it's the truth. It's more

1827
01:13:50,239 --> 01:13:51,760
important than the halfway house that

1828
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:55,600
burned down. That's a living legacy if

1829
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:59,920
you really truly think about it.

1830
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:02,719
came from the American Revolution.

1831
01:14:02,719 --> 01:14:05,840
A guy who fought for the freedoms that

1832
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:10,080
we have for today, that we still have

1833
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:12,719
the freedoms in this country because of

1834
01:14:12,719 --> 01:14:17,760
what he did and I appreciate that.

1835
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:21,679
and I know you do too.

1836
01:14:21,679 --> 01:14:23,840
I know all of you do. Thank you, mayor.

1837
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:24,960
>> Thank you, Alderman. Good morning. That

1838
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:26,719
is exactly this kind of input and this

1839
01:14:26,719 --> 01:14:27,760
kind of discussion is exactly what I was

1840
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:29,280
hoping for. That's why I pushed this to

1841
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,360
have on the agenda tonight. Um, and

1842
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:32,800
appreciate that discussion. I think it's

1843
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:34,719
very very helpful. Uh, and I will

1844
01:14:34,719 --> 01:14:36,960
withdraw this uh at this time since I am

1845
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,760
the only sponsor of it. Um, and uh, and

1846
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:41,040
uh, uh, we'll give you some information

1847
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,760
for now and our next meeting which is in

1848
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:45,520
uh, which is in I think right up four

1849
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,120
weeks. We don't meet in two weeks. So,

1850
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:48,400
we're going to move. Thank you all for

1851
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:50,480
the discussion and for the input. Um,

1852
01:14:50,480 --> 01:14:53,199
uh, next we have resolution 2026-30.

1853
01:14:53,199 --> 01:14:54,480
This is a resolution authorizing the

1854
01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:55,679
creation and placement of the Bronze

1855
01:14:55,679 --> 01:14:57,679
Legends Plaza at Memorial Park.

1856
01:14:57,679 --> 01:14:59,440
Authorizing Hendersonville Arts Council

1857
01:14:59,440 --> 01:15:00,560
to coordinate the project and

1858
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:02,239
authorizing acceptance of donation

1859
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:07,030
funding. Alderman Collins.

1860
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:08,320
» So we have a motion from Alderman

1861
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:09,679
Collins and a second from Alderman

1862
01:15:09,679 --> 01:15:11,920
Robertson. Am I correct? Okay. Um any

1863
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,560
discussion on that?

1864
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,880
Uh hold on here. Alderman Collins. Um,

1865
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:19,520
respectfully, I request that we wave the

1866
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,360
rules and hear from the members of the

1867
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:25,440
arts council who are here to make a very

1868
01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:27,440
informal and brief presentation on the

1869
01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:28,719
sculpture project.

1870
01:15:28,719 --> 01:15:30,320
>> Is that just Renee?

1871
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,080
>> Um,

1872
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:32,560
to be

1873
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:33,760
>> Okay, [laughter]

1874
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:35,679
>> I'll let Renee

1875
01:15:35,679 --> 01:15:37,600
I'll introduce Renee Shepard is the

1876
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:39,360
chairman of the arts council and then

1877
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:41,360
I'll allow her to introduce the members

1878
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:42,000
present.

1879
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:43,040
>> Without objection, we're going to hear

1880
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:44,320
from these three representing the arts

1881
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:45,840
council. Thank you. Go ahead. Hello

1882
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,000
there again, Renee Shepard from the Arts

1883
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,760
Council. And with me tonight, I have

1884
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,400
Jamila Log with the Arts Council and

1885
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:54,960
Bill Clifford um also with the Arts

1886
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:56,800
Council. Bill is going to talk a little

1887
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,960
bit about um what we're thinking and

1888
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:02,719
what we envision for this um briefly.

1889
01:16:02,719 --> 01:16:05,750
So,

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01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:07,120
» thank you all for having us here

1891
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:09,760
tonight. Uh I really enjoyed hearing all

1892
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:11,440
the passion about the Bradford Berry

1893
01:16:11,440 --> 01:16:14,239
House. Um we're kind of here for a

1894
01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:16,080
similar reason tonight. More recent

1895
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,320
history, but important history just the

1896
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:22,320
same. Um we've been working now for the

1897
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:23,440
past three years. We've been working on

1898
01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:26,239
an arts festival and uh we've c another

1899
01:16:26,239 --> 01:16:28,080
we've started on another project where

1900
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:31,600
we're interested in creating a um

1901
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,719
four figure bronze statue

1902
01:16:34,719 --> 01:16:36,800
uh capturing the likenesses of four of

1903
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,440
Hendersonville's most legendary u

1904
01:16:39,440 --> 01:16:41,679
musical residents. So, we've got Johnny

1905
01:16:41,679 --> 01:16:44,800
and June Cash, Carter Cash, excuse me,

1906
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:48,159
and Roy Orbison and Conway Twitty. And

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01:16:48,159 --> 01:16:51,600
what we'd like to do is continue to

1908
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,440
explore

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01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:55,920
um

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01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,640
looking to have that us fourperson

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01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:02,640
life-size sculptures installed in the uh

1912
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:06,960
in Memorial Park right around the

1913
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:08,719
uh affectionately called Donut Area

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01:17:08,719 --> 01:17:12,719
right near Kids Kingdom um by the water.

1915
01:17:12,719 --> 01:17:14,320
uh that would be would [clears throat]

1916
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:17,199
have a base in the style of the uh water

1917
01:17:17,199 --> 01:17:18,800
fountain that we have there in the front

1918
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:20,560
where the Christmas tree goes up each

1919
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:24,800
year. And um so far we've reached out to

1920
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,520
five different sculptors uh some from

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01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:29,920
Nashville and some from around the

1922
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:32,960
country who specialize in doing bronze

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01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:35,920
casts uh with good likenesses of the

1924
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,880
musicians. um informally we've created

1925
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,920
some images that we can show uh if

1926
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:43,760
you're interested about what we're

1927
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,000
envisioning for how the sculpture would

1928
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:50,560
look. But uh we we'd like your blessing

1929
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,960
to continue looking and and exploring

1930
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:57,120
and trying to uh more formally start

1931
01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:00,640
moving forward with the project.

1932
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:01,760
>> Alman Collins, did you have something

1933
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:03,040
for now or you want to let him go ahead?

1934
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:04,719
Um,

1935
01:18:04,719 --> 01:18:06,560
are you

1936
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,760
Yeah. Um, I think you're finished. Yes.

1937
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,400
And so I just wanted to sound like I

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01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:12,800
meant

1939
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:14,159
>> It's been a long time since I've talked

1940
01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:16,480
in public. [laughter] So I appreciate

1941
01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:18,000
you all your patience.

1942
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:21,199
>> Um, I just wanted to say that um I'm

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01:18:21,199 --> 01:18:23,199
really excited about this project. When

1944
01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:26,400
I became an alderman five almost six

1945
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:28,480
years ago now, I was told that

1946
01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:30,640
politicians had pet projects. I'm super

1947
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:34,080
excited to have one for myself now. Um,

1948
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,880
and I think this is going to be lovely.

1949
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:41,120
I want to point out that um in W 5, we

1950
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,840
get a lot of people coming to the cash

1951
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:50,000
home and to um what's now the realtor's

1952
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:53,199
office Halo Properties even and to the

1953
01:18:53,199 --> 01:18:55,440
extent that the city had to put in a

1954
01:18:55,440 --> 01:18:58,239
little con um pavement pad for people to

1955
01:18:58,239 --> 01:19:00,719
turn around on Codell because they were

1956
01:19:00,719 --> 01:19:02,480
coming to the cash home and disrupting

1957
01:19:02,480 --> 01:19:05,040
the school traffic. [laughter]

1958
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,920
Um, and people also of course visit the

1959
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:09,920
grave site.

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01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,320
And so this is another stop that they

1961
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:14,159
can make which would hopefully pull them

1962
01:19:14,159 --> 01:19:17,360
in to where they could go to some of our

1963
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:19,280
local restaurants that are on that side

1964
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:21,440
of town. So I like it from that

1965
01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:24,560
perspective. And um I want to point out

1966
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:26,159
that

1967
01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:28,000
the arts council is not asking for

1968
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,120
funding at this time. So, but by

1969
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,600
sanctioning this, it will allow the arts

1970
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:37,280
council to be able to ask for the

1971
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:40,400
community to contribute the money um

1972
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:41,600
that's required [clears throat] for

1973
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,880
this. So, this is not a financial ask.

1974
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:48,080
This is a blessing for the project to

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01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:50,159
proceed. Thank you,

1976
01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:52,000
>> Alman Collins. Thank you. Um Alderman

1977
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:52,560
Evans,

1978
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:54,480
>> yeah, I was just I was just going to ask

1979
01:19:54,480 --> 01:19:56,320
a question around the the financial part

1980
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:58,800
of that. is that what's the um what's

1981
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:00,640
the plan around that? I know the thought

1982
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,920
is probably to raise the funds, but once

1983
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:05,760
you get into this, what is going to be

1984
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:07,520
the thought if you don't raise enough

1985
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,920
money, you know, what's what's the plan?

1986
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:11,440
Are you going to stop or are you going

1987
01:20:11,440 --> 01:20:14,239
to ask the city then to kind of upfront

1988
01:20:14,239 --> 01:20:16,159
or give the the rest of it? What's the

1989
01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:17,120
plan there?

1990
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:18,800
>> I think we're really in preliminary

1991
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:21,280
stages. Okay. first of all. So, so we

1992
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:25,679
don't really have a plan that's that um

1993
01:20:25,679 --> 01:20:29,360
specific. Um we would expect to to ask

1994
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:32,159
for donations and get donations for um

1995
01:20:32,159 --> 01:20:34,159
for this purpose. I will say that we

1996
01:20:34,159 --> 01:20:37,520
we've got um we've got some interest

1997
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:40,239
already. It's not confirmed. Again, as

1998
01:20:40,239 --> 01:20:43,440
Rachel said, we just need you all to

1999
01:20:43,440 --> 01:20:45,679
sanction the project so that we can move

2000
01:20:45,679 --> 01:20:47,679
forward and get more specific with that.

2001
01:20:47,679 --> 01:20:49,440
Okay? because if you all are interested

2002
01:20:49,440 --> 01:20:51,040
in this and you think it's a viable

2003
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:53,520
something to do for the city, that helps

2004
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,520
us um to be able to have those

2005
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:56,800
conversations.

2006
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,400
>> Well, I appreciate that and I'm I'm

2007
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:00,480
interested in it, but from the fiscal

2008
01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:02,480
side of things, too, I'm also concerned

2009
01:21:02,480 --> 01:21:03,360
about

2010
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:05,920
>> committing to anything else. Um

2011
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:07,040
especially because when you look at

2012
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:09,280
this, you're talking about upwards of

2013
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:11,840
$700,000 or more. So, I'm concerned

2014
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:13,679
about that. So, hopefully we will be

2015
01:21:13,679 --> 01:21:15,760
able to raise the funds and get this

2016
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,480
done. And I also want to say having it

2017
01:21:18,480 --> 01:21:20,480
at the location of the the donut there,

2018
01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:21,840
I think it's a great location to have

2019
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:22,239
that.

2020
01:21:22,239 --> 01:21:23,440
>> It's because you can see it from

2021
01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:25,679
everywhere right as you drive by. Um it

2022
01:21:25,679 --> 01:21:27,679
also brings some complication. So I I

2023
01:21:27,679 --> 01:21:28,980
think one of the first steps we

2024
01:21:28,980 --> 01:21:30,480
[clears throat] would need to do is

2025
01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:33,199
create a specific project plan. Okay.

2026
01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:35,600
>> Um initially we've just done some

2027
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:37,920
research to say what would this cost?

2028
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:39,040
What would it look like? Because we

2029
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:40,719
didn't have any idea. And what's the

2030
01:21:40,719 --> 01:21:43,760
process? what does it look like to um

2031
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:46,800
commission a bronze statue? Um so so

2032
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:48,080
we've kind of done some of that

2033
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:51,040
research. Um I understand we'd have to

2034
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:53,600
work with the core maybe in that area

2035
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:55,831
for that, you know, for that site.

2036
01:21:55,831 --> 01:21:56,960
[clears throat] So there's still a lot

2037
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:59,679
of work to do and what comes first and

2038
01:21:59,679 --> 01:22:01,600
what comes second, we have to figure all

2039
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:02,159
that out.

2040
01:22:02,159 --> 01:22:03,360
>> Thank you so much,

2041
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:04,639
>> Alderman Evans. Thank you, Alderman

2042
01:22:04,639 --> 01:22:05,440
Sassy.

2043
01:22:05,440 --> 01:22:07,199
>> Uh thank you, Mayor. Um I would just

2044
01:22:07,199 --> 01:22:09,520
want to echo a lot of what uh Alderman

2045
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:10,960
Evans was saying. This is a very

2046
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:14,320
exciting project. Um, I'm I'm fully

2047
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:16,159
support this, but the first thing that

2048
01:22:16,159 --> 01:22:19,600
came to my mind was uh potential safety.

2049
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:21,440
And I just I'm only mentioning this so

2050
01:22:21,440 --> 01:22:22,880
you're looking into this when you're

2051
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:25,040
talking to these sculptors and such.

2052
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:28,000
>> Um, but I've I've visited other bronze

2053
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,239
statues and they can get pretty hot,

2054
01:22:30,239 --> 01:22:31,920
especially when they're got direct

2055
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:33,440
sunlight in that area. It's going to get

2056
01:22:33,440 --> 01:22:36,159
direct sunlight um quite a bit of it.

2057
01:22:36,159 --> 01:22:38,080
And as we all know, it gets hot around

2058
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:39,920
here. 90 degree weather, it can get up

2059
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:43,120
to 190 degrees on a bronze statue. So,

2060
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:44,639
just keeping that in mind as you're

2061
01:22:44,639 --> 01:22:46,719
researching it. Maybe there's an alloy.

2062
01:22:46,719 --> 01:22:49,199
I don't know. I'm not not an expert at

2063
01:22:49,199 --> 01:22:51,760
it at all, but just wanted to uh make

2064
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:53,760
you aware of that and and hopefully we

2065
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:55,679
can find something that will be cooler

2066
01:22:55,679 --> 01:22:58,000
to the touch maybe uh because we do have

2067
01:22:58,000 --> 01:22:59,440
kids playing in that area. So, just

2068
01:22:59,440 --> 01:23:00,400
something to think about.

2069
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:02,239
>> Okay. Thank you, woman. Sassy. Thank

2070
01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:04,080
you, Renee. Thank you. appreciate you

2071
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:05,360
all working on this your initiative on

2072
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:06,000
it.

2073
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:10,550
>> Thank you.

2074
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,120
» Any other comments?

2075
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:14,560
All those in favor of resolution

2076
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:16,719
2026-30, please say I.

2077
01:23:16,719 --> 01:23:17,040
>> I.

2078
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:18,480
>> Those opposed, please say no. That

2079
01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:20,400
passes unanimously. Thank you all. Uh

2080
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,000
other agenda items, we'll move down to

2081
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,080
reports. Uh brief committee reports.

2082
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:25,920
General committee. Uh Chairman Garza,

2083
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:27,440
>> I will try to be brief. It was pretty

2084
01:23:27,440 --> 01:23:29,120
long tonight.

2085
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:32,719
Uh we had resolution 2026 u on a public

2086
01:23:32,719 --> 01:23:37,520
hearing for the uh 1765 Avent Lane. Uh

2087
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:39,840
we approved that to go to Bulma. Uh

2088
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:42,719
resolution 202627 also related to this

2089
01:23:42,719 --> 01:23:45,040
as to annex certain territories upon

2090
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:46,320
written consider the owners and

2091
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:47,920
incorporate said property into the same

2092
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:51,280
one 1765 Abbott Lane. That also went to

2093
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:54,800
Bulma approved. And then uh the

2094
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,440
ordinance 20269 and ordinance reszoning

2095
01:23:57,440 --> 01:23:59,040
approximately almost 33 acres of

2096
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:02,080
property at again 1765 Abbott Lane also

2097
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:04,560
was approved to go to Bulma. [cough]

2098
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:06,960
Then we moved on to ordinance 202610 is

2099
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:08,400
an ordinance adopt revisions to the

2100
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:09,440
zoning ordinance for the city of

2101
01:24:09,440 --> 01:24:11,600
Hendersonville. Uh that's going to go

2102
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:13,440
through the city also approved to go to

2103
01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:18,159
Bulma. uh ordinance 202611

2104
01:24:18,159 --> 01:24:20,400
amending the Hendersonville mis miscode

2105
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:23,520
title one uh video recording for the

2106
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,920
nonprofit contributions uh committee and

2107
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:27,360
that's been also approved to go to

2108
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,760
Bulma. We had a reading of ordinance

2109
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:31,520
202612

2110
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:34,719
uh it's amending the municipal code here

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01:24:34,719 --> 01:24:37,440
uh title 12 chapter 2 relative to the

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01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:38,880
amendments to the revised edition of

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01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,120
international residential code uh also

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01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:43,520
approved to go to Bulma. Uh, this next

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01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:44,960
one is the only negative one we had for

2116
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:45,920
the evening. It's the reading of

2117
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,719
resolution 202628 approving the letter

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01:24:48,719 --> 01:24:50,080
of intent. Here we are again with the

2119
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:51,440
city of Hersville and Lanny sport

2120
01:24:51,440 --> 01:24:53,440
properties spot property, excuse me,

2121
01:24:53,440 --> 01:24:55,040
regarding the proposed lease and future

2122
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:56,960
conveyance of the Bradford Berry House.

2123
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:58,639
We did send it with a negative

2124
01:24:58,639 --> 01:24:59,920
recommendation and of course tonight

2125
01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:01,520
it's been pulled to a later date. So

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01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:03,360
that was the purpose of that so we can

2127
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:05,679
start and continue the conversations

2128
01:25:05,679 --> 01:25:08,159
with that issue. A reading of resolution

2129
01:25:08,159 --> 01:25:09,760
202631

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01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:11,520
declaring certain real [snorts] city

2131
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:15,199
property to the surplus property excuse me and approving lease

2132
01:25:15,199 --> 01:25:17,760
agreements with Pope John Paul 2. Uh

2133
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:20,159
also um a positive recommendation of

2134
01:25:20,159 --> 01:25:22,960
Bulma and the reading of resolution 2026

2135
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,280
29 a resolution amended the city

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01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:27,199
employee innovation to more of an

2137
01:25:27,199 --> 01:25:28,639
employee recognition program also

2138
01:25:28,639 --> 01:25:30,560
approved to go to Bulma. And the last

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01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:31,840
one which we just spoke about was

2140
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:33,920
resolution 2026-30.

2141
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:35,360
That's a resolution authorizing the

2142
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:37,040
placement of the bronze legend plaza at

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01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:39,760
Memorial Park. And that was our report

2144
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:40,880
for general committee.

2145
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:42,639
>> Appreciate that, Chairman Garza. Uh

2146
01:25:42,639 --> 01:25:44,639
Chairman Goodwin, public safety.

2147
01:25:44,639 --> 01:25:47,040
>> We had a brief committee meeting. We

2148
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:49,760
discussed the resolution for the park.

2149
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:51,920
Sent that on to Bulma with a positive

2150
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:54,400
recommendation and had a brief

2151
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:56,800
discussion on Stark Knob Boat Ramp that

2152
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:59,520
we are going to monitor and watch. That

2153
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:00,800
concludes my report.

2154
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:01,920
>> Uh, thank you very much, Chairman

2155
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:03,600
Goodwin. Timothy Whitten, I assume that

2156
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:04,960
the only reason you are here this late

2157
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:06,400
is to provide our planning commission

2158
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:09,830
report.

2159
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:11,520
» Good evening. Uh, Timothy Whitten,

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01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:13,120
assistant planning director, standing in

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01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:15,520
for Keith Free, planning director

2162
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:19,520
standing in for Michael Martin for W 2.

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01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:23,199
Uh so the uh planning commission um

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01:26:23,199 --> 01:26:25,199
report for their meeting Tuesday, August

2165
01:26:25,199 --> 01:26:27,199
the 4th. Uh they took the following

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01:26:27,199 --> 01:26:29,440
action on the consent agenda. They

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01:26:29,440 --> 01:26:31,520
approved Forest Park phase 1 amenity

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01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:34,639
center site plan, uh Imperial Point

2169
01:26:34,639 --> 01:26:38,400
building a site plan, Milstone phase 7

2170
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:41,280
section two final plat and Pope John

2171
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,280
Paul the second edition phase one site

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01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:46,239
plan. And then they approved a wall

2173
01:26:46,239 --> 01:26:48,239
mural for deck tai which is a new

2174
01:26:48,239 --> 01:26:49,679
restaurant coming to the west main

2175
01:26:49,679 --> 01:26:53,920
street area. Uh and then um they moved

2176
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:55,679
the following items forward to general

2177
01:26:55,679 --> 01:26:57,280
committee and and the board of mayor and

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01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:00,639
alderman. The uh annexation and plan of

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01:27:00,639 --> 01:27:03,199
services for Avlyn as well as well as

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01:27:03,199 --> 01:27:05,520
the uh combined development plan for

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01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:08,480
Avlyn and then they also recommended the

2182
01:27:08,480 --> 01:27:10,560
uh batch of zoning ordinance revisions

2183
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:12,000
as well.

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01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,000
>> Any questions for Timothy? Thank you,

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01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:14,800
Timothy.

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01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:16,080
>> Oh, I'm sorry.

2187
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:17,120
>> Alderman Garza.

2188
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:20,239
>> Sorry. So, you approved the mural for

2189
01:27:20,239 --> 01:27:21,360
Detai?

2190
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:22,080
>> Yes, sir.

2191
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:24,719
>> And can they open yet?

2192
01:27:24,719 --> 01:27:28,639
>> Uh, I believe um

2193
01:27:28,639 --> 01:27:31,440
there's no hold up on our end. Not sure

2194
01:27:31,440 --> 01:27:32,880
I'm not sure what their what status

2195
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,199
their building permit is in

2196
01:27:35,199 --> 01:27:36,800
>> or their UNO. I can check on that for

2197
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:37,840
you and let you know.

2198
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,080
>> Yeah, I just I once again I want to be

2199
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:42,080
very It was rumored, but I heard rumor

2200
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:43,440
that one of the reasons they they were

2201
01:27:43,440 --> 01:27:44,800
not open yet is because they were having

2202
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:47,440
too much obstruction from the city.

2203
01:27:47,440 --> 01:27:48,800
>> I'm not saying that's true. I'm just

2204
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:49,120
saying.

2205
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:50,239
>> Yeah, I'm not aware of that

2206
01:27:50,239 --> 01:27:51,520
>> because they've been ready to go now for

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01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:52,159
about 3 weeks.

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01:27:52,159 --> 01:27:53,679
>> If anybody obstructing it would be that

2209
01:27:53,679 --> 01:27:55,199
guy right there and he said he's not

2210
01:27:55,199 --> 01:27:55,840
aware of it. So,

2211
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:57,120
>> no, I understand. I'm just saying what

2212
01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:59,040
you know my calls come in going when's

2213
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:00,560
it going to open? And they heard this

2214
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:03,040
and I'm saying it's true, but

2215
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:04,800
>> by any means, but we need to get them

2216
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:06,560
open.

2217
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:08,239
>> They got a big investment in that place.

2218
01:28:08,239 --> 01:28:09,360
>> Thank you, Alman Gar. Thank you.

2219
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:11,360
>> I I do hear the same thing about Rio

2220
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:13,280
Bravo and I know Rio Bravo there's no

2221
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:15,600
hold up on our end. Um they they've

2222
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:17,040
gotten all their approvals that they

2223
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:19,120
need through planning. So

2224
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:20,880
>> it's helpful. Thank you.

2225
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:22,639
>> Um uh Alman Evans, I'm sorry. Did you

2226
01:28:22,639 --> 01:28:23,199
have a question for

2227
01:28:23,199 --> 01:28:25,280
>> Yes, I do have a quick question. I

2228
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:26,960
wanted a clarification on when you

2229
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,120
talked about Alyn or Avalon or whatever

2230
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:31,760
it's called. Can you share with us all

2231
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:34,560
was that a unanimous approval on all all

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01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:36,080
those

2233
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:40,149
>> on annexation?

2234
01:28:40,159 --> 01:28:41,920
Uh, let me see. I'm not sure.

2235
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:43,199
>> I believe if I'm not right, I think it

2236
01:28:43,199 --> 01:28:44,639
was a unanimous on all of those.

2237
01:28:44,639 --> 01:28:47,440
>> I believe it was zero.

2238
01:28:47,440 --> 01:28:48,560
>> I just wanted to make sure everybody

2239
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:50,239
knew that.

2240
01:28:50,239 --> 01:28:51,280
>> Thank you. Thank you, Timothy. Thank

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01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:54,320
you, Alderman Evans. Um, Vice Mayor

2242
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:55,360
Skidmore,

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01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:56,960
>> can you come on down here, please? Um,

2244
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:59,199
I've had bronchitis for about two weeks

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01:28:59,199 --> 01:29:01,280
and, um, I'm running a fever right now,

2246
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:03,280
and so I'm going to go lie down and, uh,

2247
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:05,840
let you be led by our vice mayor for the

2248
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:18,470
last two items. Thank you, Mark. Yes.

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01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:20,080
Thank you. Now that the mayor's gone,

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we're going to do things our way. And

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01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:25,280
so, no, seriously, I I hope he is

2252
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:28,080
getting bronchitis is a rough thing, and

2253
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:29,760
I hope he starts to feeling better. And

2254
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:33,280
I just have hope that the

2255
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:35,760
our city attorney, Lance Ray, if I screw

2256
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:38,239
up that he'll be able to help me along

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01:29:38,239 --> 01:29:39,840
the way. But I I feel

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01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:40,480
>> a lot longer.

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01:29:40,480 --> 01:29:41,760
>> Yeah. [laughter]

2260
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:43,840
I don't know. Doesn't matter how long

2261
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:45,440
you've been doing it. It just takes one

2262
01:29:45,440 --> 01:29:48,400
time to mess up. But anyway, so uh we

2263
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:51,679
are now on to the review of the employee

2264
01:29:51,679 --> 01:29:55,600
pay and benefit report. And Josh, um I

2265
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:57,120
think you're here to give us a

2266
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:59,679
presentation on that. Is that

2267
01:29:59,679 --> 01:30:00,880
I mean the Bulma report.

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01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:03,360
>> Oh, is it a Bulma report? Oh, okay.

2269
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:05,360
Well, oh, yeah, that's right. I'm sorry.

2270
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:09,679
Thank you. Um, are you ready for the

2271
01:30:09,679 --> 01:30:12,400
>> Yeah, it's it's Yeah, go ahead with the

2272
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:13,040
Bulma report.

2273
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:14,560
>> I don't feel that well either. So, if

2274
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:16,257
you want to go right to your employer,

2275
01:30:16,257 --> 01:30:17,920
[laughter] that's

2276
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:19,840
>> all right. [snorts]

2277
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:23,520
>> Uh, so this report is wrapping up um

2278
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:26,239
some of the fiscal year 26 and it opens

2279
01:30:26,239 --> 01:30:28,560
up some of the fiscal year 27. Our

2280
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:30,239
financial information we get from the

2281
01:30:30,239 --> 01:30:31,840
state on revenue is always a month

2282
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:35,520
behind. Um so this report will go

2283
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:37,040
between two fiscal years. Our next

2284
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:39,280
report will all just be fiscal year 27.

2285
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:40,960
Just remember we get revenue a month

2286
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:42,639
behind because we get that information

2287
01:30:42,639 --> 01:30:45,520
from the state. So this report starts on

2288
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:48,159
page 29 of your packet. Uh probably one

2289
01:30:48,159 --> 01:30:49,440
of the most important things that we're

2290
01:30:49,440 --> 01:30:51,360
seeing is that local sales tax or that

2291
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:54,080
sales tax is up uh local sales tax is up

2292
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:57,520
4.1%. Our interest earnings are down a

2293
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:00,320
little bit from last year.

2294
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:02,880
And now if most of you follow the Fed,

2295
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:04,719
you'll see that there may be actually a

2296
01:31:04,719 --> 01:31:06,639
chance for that rate to increase rather

2297
01:31:06,639 --> 01:31:09,600
than decrease. So that is good for our

2298
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:11,199
interest earnings. It's not good if we

2299
01:31:11,199 --> 01:31:14,159
want to borrow money. Um so our interest

2300
01:31:14,159 --> 01:31:16,159
that we expected to get this year may

2301
01:31:16,159 --> 01:31:18,880
actually be higher than expected is um

2302
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:20,639
it's likely that there could be actually

2303
01:31:20,639 --> 01:31:23,120
a raise of interest rates.

2304
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:25,920
Um, when we look at sales tax combined

2305
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:28,080
with revenue from permit fees, that's

2306
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:32,159
actually down uh 1.3% from uh year-to-

2307
01:31:32,159 --> 01:31:35,280
date 25 to 26 and that's uh mostly just

2308
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:37,920
due to the permit revenue being down.

2309
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:40,960
General fund expenditures are slightly

2310
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:43,360
up. Um we haven't finished all the

2311
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:46,400
acrruals for year end. So we have to uh

2312
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:48,239
book the acrals back. So that's still

2313
01:31:48,239 --> 01:31:49,920
happening. So the general fund operating

2314
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:51,440
expenditures are an estimate at this

2315
01:31:51,440 --> 01:31:53,280
point until we finish the uh year end

2316
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:54,800
acrruels which we will probably finish

2317
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:56,719
in September.

2318
01:31:56,719 --> 01:31:59,440
If you go to page 31 and 32, this is

2319
01:31:59,440 --> 01:32:02,800
reporting on our PIP fund. Um we've

2320
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:04,320
tried to do everything we can to be as

2321
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:06,000
transparent as possible with this fund.

2322
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,400
There's really no surprises.

2323
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:10,800
Um some of these uh uses of funds are

2324
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:12,400
more than we budgeted for the current

2325
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:14,159
year and that's because we carried over

2326
01:32:14,159 --> 01:32:16,080
some POS from the prior year where we

2327
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:18,560
actually spent them in this year.

2328
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:21,280
If we go to page 33, you'll see that uh

2329
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:23,440
fire calls are up a bit, police calls

2330
01:32:23,440 --> 01:32:25,920
are down a bit. Um really nothing out of

2331
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:28,080
the ordinary when we look for uh calls

2332
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,400
for service for both uh public safety

2333
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:34,639
departments. Uh page 35 shows our

2334
01:32:34,639 --> 01:32:36,239
residential and commercial permit

2335
01:32:36,239 --> 01:32:38,320
activity. Uh that's pretty much within

2336
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:40,480
the range of what we'd expect. Uh

2337
01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:42,719
residential residential inspections are

2338
01:32:42,719 --> 01:32:45,520
below previous year's numbers. Uh but

2339
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:47,840
the activity uh is kind of within the

2340
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:49,199
range that we've had the last couple

2341
01:32:49,199 --> 01:32:51,280
years.

2342
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:53,760
We can go to page 37. This is going to

2343
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:54,719
be something that's going to be kind of

2344
01:32:54,719 --> 01:32:56,480
neat. And if you would put this on the

2345
01:32:56,480 --> 01:32:58,320
screen, Jason, I gave you two slides

2346
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:01,040
that you could put on the screen. Uh I

2347
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:02,480
don't mind which one you put up first.

2348
01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:06,159
Okay. The landing ship tank LST 325 is

2349
01:33:06,159 --> 01:33:08,080
coming to Sanders Ferry Park September

2350
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:10,159
23rd and 29th. This is going to be open

2351
01:33:10,159 --> 01:33:14,320
for tours. So, I understand this is the

2352
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:17,760
oldest operating World War II LST ship.

2353
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:19,679
Um, and they're going to be docked right

2354
01:33:19,679 --> 01:33:22,000
at Saunders Ferry. So, when this comes

2355
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:25,520
next month, uh, it's $20 admission to

2356
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:28,000
walk through it. Uh, for kids, it's $10

2357
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:29,760
and then five and under is free. So,

2358
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:31,440
this is a pretty neat opportunity where

2359
01:33:31,440 --> 01:33:33,199
this ship is going to be right at

2360
01:33:33,199 --> 01:33:34,960
Sanders Fair and you can you can do a

2361
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:36,480
tour of it. So, on the weekends, I've

2362
01:33:36,480 --> 01:33:39,199
been told there can be a line to get in.

2363
01:33:39,199 --> 01:33:40,960
uh you can buy tickets there or you can

2364
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:43,280
buy them ahead of time. We'll still have

2365
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:44,880
one more time to announce this before

2366
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:46,480
it's here, but that's something to put

2367
01:33:46,480 --> 01:33:47,760
on your calendar. That should be pretty

2368
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:49,440
neat. And then if you'd pull up the next

2369
01:33:49,440 --> 01:33:51,840
slide, this is the food truck festival

2370
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:53,440
that's actually happening this Saturday,

2371
01:33:53,440 --> 01:33:55,440
August 15th, from 4 to 8 at Veterans

2372
01:33:55,440 --> 01:33:58,560
Park. Bring your canned goods there. It

2373
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:00,880
supports Feed Sumner. So, if you're

2374
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:02,000
going to attend, please bring your

2375
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:04,080
canned goods. And that really highlights

2376
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:07,040
the events that are on page 37.

2377
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:09,600
Uh page 38 shows storm water projects

2378
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:11,840
and paving. Uh storm water projects are

2379
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:13,120
off to a really good start. We've

2380
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:15,199
completed 10 of the 23 we budgeted for

2381
01:34:15,199 --> 01:34:18,400
the year. Paving is supposed to start at

2382
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:20,080
the end of August. So we'll start to see

2383
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:21,840
those numbers in the future reports. I

2384
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:23,679
think August 24th is the start date that

2385
01:34:23,679 --> 01:34:26,719
they gave us. Um

2386
01:34:26,719 --> 01:34:28,320
right away really no change there. And

2387
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:31,120
then when we look at page 39 uh

2388
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:33,520
vacancies for fire are zero and PD

2389
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:35,520
vacancies are at four. So really low for

2390
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:39,430
both of those departments.

2391
01:34:39,440 --> 01:34:41,440
That concludes my report, sir.

2392
01:34:41,440 --> 01:34:42,880
>> Thank you very much this evening.

2393
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:44,560
Appreciate that. Does anybody have any

2394
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:49,280
questions from the board uh

2395
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:53,440
for Jesse at all on the report?

2396
01:34:53,440 --> 01:34:55,040
All right. Hearing none, we'll go ahead

2397
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:57,280
and move on to the review of the

2398
01:34:57,280 --> 01:34:59,120
employee pay and benefit report. And

2399
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:01,440
Josh, I think you're going to give us a

2400
01:35:01,440 --> 01:35:04,239
little Jason rather. What did I say?

2401
01:35:04,239 --> 01:35:06,960
Josh boy, I'm batting a thousand

2402
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:07,920
tonight, right?

2403
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:08,560
>> I've been called.

2404
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:09,920
>> Yeah, you look like a Josh.

2405
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:10,800
>> I appreciate it.

2406
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:12,960
>> Thank you. [laughter] I appreciate it.

2407
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:16,239
>> Anyway, uh so if you'd uh give us our

2408
01:35:16,239 --> 01:35:17,520
report, thank you. We sure would

2409
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:18,400
appreciate it. Thank you.

2410
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:19,920
>> Yes, sir. Happy to do that. Yes, sir.

2411
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:23,040
>> Um so this is really just a report out

2412
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:25,120
of where we are at with the pay and

2413
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:27,840
benefit study. Um tonight, I'm not

2414
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:29,440
trying to make any decisions or do any

2415
01:35:29,440 --> 01:35:30,960
of that. This is just simply to report

2416
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:32,480
out the information and then let you

2417
01:35:32,480 --> 01:35:34,639
kind of mull it over. You know, if you

2418
01:35:34,639 --> 01:35:36,239
feel like there need to be changes or

2419
01:35:36,239 --> 01:35:37,920
things we want to address, maybe looking

2420
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:39,840
toward midyear budget or the next fiscal

2421
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:41,520
year, I'll let you all determine that.

2422
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:44,239
Um, but really, it's just designed to

2423
01:35:44,239 --> 01:35:46,159
give information, let you kind of look

2424
01:35:46,159 --> 01:35:48,880
it over. Um, I won't go through both

2425
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:51,120
reports. Both are in your packets. You

2426
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:52,880
have both the finalized pay study as

2427
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:56,320
well as the benefit study. Um,

2428
01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:59,360
let's see. So on specialty pay, I just

2429
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:01,360
want to hit a couple quick things here.

2430
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:03,520
The purpose of specialty pay and why we

2431
01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:06,000
do that is it's to compensate employees

2432
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:07,840
who have a specific skill set. So what

2433
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:09,600
we're trying to do is if somebody has

2434
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:11,440
specialized training, we recognize them

2435
01:36:11,440 --> 01:36:14,480
for that. I will say that as they did

2436
01:36:14,480 --> 01:36:17,360
this study, specifically within fire,

2437
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:19,840
there were areas that not all agencies

2438
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:21,679
did. So they had to kind of group them

2439
01:36:21,679 --> 01:36:24,239
together. As I go through this, you'll

2440
01:36:24,239 --> 01:36:26,400
see that there's some gaps. There's an

2441
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:29,040
asterk there and that asterk is they had

2442
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:30,880
to kind of put an average to everything

2443
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:32,400
because not everybody provides that.

2444
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:34,080
It'll make sense but the examples they

2445
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:37,679
give combine dive team rope rescue fire

2446
01:36:37,679 --> 01:36:40,239
service communications right those are

2447
01:36:40,239 --> 01:36:42,560
in some areas very specialized and other

2448
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:45,199
agencies they combine them all into one.

2449
01:36:45,199 --> 01:36:46,719
So just as we go through this there's

2450
01:36:46,719 --> 01:36:48,320
not an exact science not everybody

2451
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:51,679
offers the same exact pay benefits.

2452
01:36:51,679 --> 01:36:53,360
So let's talk about shift differentials

2453
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:55,760
really quick. Um,

2454
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:57,440
just a high level, shift differentials

2455
01:36:57,440 --> 01:36:59,199
are exactly what that sounds like. It is

2456
01:36:59,199 --> 01:37:01,199
paying people additional money for

2457
01:37:01,199 --> 01:37:03,840
working specific shifts. If you work a

2458
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:06,400
later shift, um, or midnight shift,

2459
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:08,800
that's that second and third shift, then

2460
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:10,000
we're going to give them additional

2461
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:12,800
money. The rotating shift would be they

2462
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:14,880
have a variety of times they could get

2463
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:17,360
called in. Just to point out that there

2464
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:19,199
is no participate participating

2465
01:37:19,199 --> 01:37:22,320
employers that Burus Thompson had that

2466
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:23,920
did rotating shifts. we were the only

2467
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:27,360
one. Um the others out of all the

2468
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:30,239
employers they surveyed only 37% offered

2469
01:37:30,239 --> 01:37:33,199
it. So I just want to put that in

2470
01:37:33,199 --> 01:37:34,880
context. That's the graph below. That

2471
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:38,000
means that 63% of the employers don't

2472
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:40,320
offer differentials.

2473
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:42,880
So when we start looking at what's the

2474
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:46,080
65th percentile, it's only the 65th

2475
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:48,560
percentile of that 37%. In other words,

2476
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:51,440
it's the top oneird of one-third.

2477
01:37:51,440 --> 01:37:54,960
if that makes sense to you. Um, you do

2478
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:56,880
have a total survey median which is all

2479
01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:58,480
of the people who reported out and then

2480
01:37:58,480 --> 01:38:01,920
trying to grab that top third. So, where

2481
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:04,480
we stand, we are low in that. I'm not

2482
01:38:04,480 --> 01:38:05,840
going to sit here and tell you that

2483
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:07,679
we're good. In comparison, we're low.

2484
01:38:07,679 --> 01:38:09,119
That might be something that we need to

2485
01:38:09,119 --> 01:38:11,760
address. Um, I was chatting with someone

2486
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:14,080
earlier and the differentials haven't

2487
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:15,679
been changed since they were implemented

2488
01:38:15,679 --> 01:38:17,679
and I believe that was back in the 80s.

2489
01:38:17,679 --> 01:38:20,159
So, they've served their purpose, but I

2490
01:38:20,159 --> 01:38:22,560
think it's time to readress them. Um,

2491
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:25,280
others, you have the AMT, which is

2492
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:27,760
advanced EMT. We do not offer that uh

2493
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:30,719
with our firefighters. Um, but other

2494
01:38:30,719 --> 01:38:32,960
agencies do, so we put that out there.

2495
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:34,400
You'll see the airpack and the dive

2496
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:36,560
team. Uh, while they have kind of an

2497
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:38,480
asterisk with annual amounts, remember

2498
01:38:38,480 --> 01:38:40,000
those are the ones that we had to group

2499
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:42,480
together because we're one of the few

2500
01:38:42,480 --> 01:38:44,560
that offer that. In other words, only

2501
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:47,760
10% of employers that they surveyed

2502
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:51,520
offered the airpack or the dive team. Uh

2503
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:53,760
you have EMT. One of the things worth

2504
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:56,639
noting with EMT is while it's only 13%,

2505
01:38:56,639 --> 01:39:00,000
other agencies combine it. So in certain

2506
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:02,239
areas, I know that they will combine it

2507
01:39:02,239 --> 01:39:04,560
with a firefighter and it's baked into

2508
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:07,040
their base pay. So it's not an add-on

2509
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:10,320
like we do. It's just done differently.

2510
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:13,679
The other is the FTO program. um with

2511
01:39:13,679 --> 01:39:16,639
our FTO program, if someone serves in a

2512
01:39:16,639 --> 01:39:18,800
training capacity at the fire, uh at the

2513
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:21,520
police department, they will um get an

2514
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:24,320
hour overtime. So, what this calculation

2515
01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:28,639
annually shows is that it is 5 hours of

2516
01:39:28,639 --> 01:39:31,679
overtime a week for 12 months. Now,

2517
01:39:31,679 --> 01:39:33,360
that's being very generous talking with

2518
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:36,239
Chief Jones about this. Average realist

2519
01:39:36,239 --> 01:39:38,159
realistically, maybe six months out of

2520
01:39:38,159 --> 01:39:40,000
the year they're training. So you could

2521
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:42,560
cut that number from 11 250 to about

2522
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:44,960
5,500 and that still puts us ahead of

2523
01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:48,000
the curve.

2524
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:50,080
Some others here we have the heat pay or

2525
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:55,199
swap pay. Um again only 23 um% actually

2526
01:39:55,199 --> 01:39:58,000
provide that but when you compare our

2527
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:00,400
rates to others we are low in that one.

2528
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:04,080
Uh hazmat as well only about 10%.

2529
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:06,960
And again with insufficient data that

2530
01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:08,159
just means they didn't have

2531
01:40:08,159 --> 01:40:10,320
statistically enough people to give you

2532
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:13,040
that number. Um but you can look at and

2533
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:15,040
show that ours is a little lower. K9 is

2534
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:17,600
the same. Now one of the things that's

2535
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:21,199
not explained in K9 is there are some uh

2536
01:40:21,199 --> 01:40:23,600
agencies that will pay for food. Others

2537
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:26,960
that require that employee to here's

2538
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:29,360
your budget and that includes food for

2539
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:31,440
the animal. So, those are things that

2540
01:40:31,440 --> 01:40:34,239
are nuanced but aren't represented in

2541
01:40:34,239 --> 01:40:35,679
the numbers that you see that you see

2542
01:40:35,679 --> 01:40:38,159
here. Uh, motorcycle and mounted. This

2543
01:40:38,159 --> 01:40:39,840
one was interesting. We are only one of

2544
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:43,760
two agencies that offer it. That's it.

2545
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:45,440
So, when we start looking at it, there's

2546
01:40:45,440 --> 01:40:50,550
not many that actually offer that.

2547
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:54,550
» Sorry, let me back up.

2548
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:57,119
» What are the other Thank you. Thank you,

2549
01:40:57,119 --> 01:40:59,600
mayor. Vice Mayor, appreciate it. Uh

2550
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:01,040
what are the other agencies? You said

2551
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:02,320
there were only two that

2552
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:05,360
>> so it's us and I believe it was Severe

2553
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:06,320
County.

2554
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:07,840
>> Severe County Pigeon Forge.

2555
01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:08,159
>> Yeah.

2556
01:41:08,159 --> 01:41:09,280
>> Are okay. All right. Thank you.

2557
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:12,480
>> So the Burst Thompson survey goes all of

2558
01:41:12,480 --> 01:41:14,320
Tennessee, not just middle Tennessee.

2559
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:15,679
>> Okay.

2560
01:41:15,679 --> 01:41:16,159
>> Thank you.

2561
01:41:16,159 --> 01:41:18,159
>> Yeah.

2562
01:41:18,159 --> 01:41:21,119
>> Uh negotiator pay again only 10% offer

2563
01:41:21,119 --> 01:41:23,440
it, but again ours is low in comparison.

2564
01:41:23,440 --> 01:41:25,679
On call is probably one of the is

2565
01:41:25,679 --> 01:41:27,119
actually the highest that's in the

2566
01:41:27,119 --> 01:41:28,719
report. And I want to point that out

2567
01:41:28,719 --> 01:41:32,080
because 50% of the agencies have it. Um,

2568
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:34,880
ours annualized is $420.

2569
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:39,440
The average was 3,600 a year. So that

2570
01:41:39,440 --> 01:41:40,880
might be something that impacts all

2571
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:42,320
departments, our public works

2572
01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:44,880
department, parks department, um,

2573
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:47,920
police, uh, in some cases even fire.

2574
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:49,760
Areas that do have on call, that might

2575
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:51,360
be one that addresses that we address

2576
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:53,600
that helps all employees who have on

2577
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:56,960
call. uh paramedic. Again, similar to

2578
01:41:56,960 --> 01:41:59,600
the EMT, not all agencies provide this

2579
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:01,520
and the ones that do, some of them bake

2580
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:03,679
it in, so they're not represented on

2581
01:42:03,679 --> 01:42:07,840
this. And then the scuba inner spir um

2582
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:10,880
that's specific to fire. And again, only

2583
01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:12,800
about 10%, but again, that falls into

2584
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:16,800
all those unique ones that the fire area

2585
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:19,679
has. Um others don't. One that I know

2586
01:42:19,679 --> 01:42:21,440
has been a topic of conversation for the

2587
01:42:21,440 --> 01:42:23,679
board over the years uh has been eay or

2588
01:42:23,679 --> 01:42:27,040
education pay. So the way that ours

2589
01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:29,920
stands versus others only about 20% of

2590
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:31,520
employers offer this. You can see kind

2591
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:34,239
of the up and down between them all. But

2592
01:42:34,239 --> 01:42:36,719
even with all of the survey results, our

2593
01:42:36,719 --> 01:42:39,199
pay for education pay comes in higher

2594
01:42:39,199 --> 01:42:41,679
than most of all those other employers.

2595
01:42:41,679 --> 01:42:46,870
We're above the 65th percentile there.

2596
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:49,600
All right. on the benefits program. Uh

2597
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:50,880
just a couple things to highlight here

2598
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:53,679
real quick. I'm going to summarize this

2599
01:42:53,679 --> 01:42:57,360
uh the best that I can. So each area had

2600
01:42:57,360 --> 01:43:00,639
a a possible score of nine. So that's

2601
01:43:00,639 --> 01:43:02,159
where that green bar at the top. Our

2602
01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:05,679
overall score was six. Our top areas

2603
01:43:05,679 --> 01:43:09,040
were short-term disability. We were um

2604
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:10,320
tagged as having one of the most

2605
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:12,000
generous plans for employees who have to

2606
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:15,040
take time off whether it's for you know

2607
01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:16,560
um a surgery or some other medical

2608
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:19,199
reason. Uh and it is employer paid. So

2609
01:43:19,199 --> 01:43:20,800
our short-term and long-term disability

2610
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:22,480
are fully employer paid paid by the

2611
01:43:22,480 --> 01:43:26,159
city. Uh retirement our TCRS no surprise

2612
01:43:26,159 --> 01:43:28,719
is one of the most generous. Um it's a

2613
01:43:28,719 --> 01:43:30,800
what I will say the quote there is is a

2614
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:32,239
strong traditional public sector

2615
01:43:32,239 --> 01:43:34,320
retirement. So when you look at

2616
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:36,080
benefits, you know, from a public sector

2617
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:38,960
standpoint, this falls squarely in that.

2618
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:40,800
The other one is life and accidental

2619
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:43,199
death and dismemberment. Um, our basic

2620
01:43:43,199 --> 01:43:45,600
life insurance that we provide, that

2621
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:47,679
basic life insurance is more than what

2622
01:43:47,679 --> 01:43:49,760
other agencies are providing. Plus, our

2623
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:51,600
AD and D benefit was listed as one of

2624
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:54,320
the most generous. Some of the others on

2625
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:56,960
the other side of this, our sick leave

2626
01:43:56,960 --> 01:43:59,280
acrruel which is down at the bottom

2627
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:01,920
toward and gets a rating of five is

2628
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:04,560
considered consistent with all other

2629
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:07,280
public sectors. Our dental is generally

2630
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:09,199
comparable but there is above average

2631
01:44:09,199 --> 01:44:10,880
for basic services and then below

2632
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:12,719
average on annual maximums and

2633
01:44:12,719 --> 01:44:15,440
orthodontia. So it becomes a balance.

2634
01:44:15,440 --> 01:44:17,280
And then the last one which may surprise

2635
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:19,840
some people are paid holidays. we rated

2636
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:23,199
lower on. Um so that is the lowest

2637
01:44:23,199 --> 01:44:25,520
category. This is predominantly because

2638
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:28,000
the city is not closed on additional

2639
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:30,239
holidays. So there are a few holidays

2640
01:44:30,239 --> 01:44:32,960
that others recognize that we do not.

2641
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:36,480
And so um you know that would be a

2642
01:44:36,480 --> 01:44:38,480
choice if we wanted to add those

2643
01:44:38,480 --> 01:44:40,000
additional holidays or how we want to

2644
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:41,920
approach that.

2645
01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:43,920
But overall again this is just to report

2646
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:46,239
out where we're at. The rest of the pay

2647
01:44:46,239 --> 01:44:48,719
study this has all been complete. The

2648
01:44:48,719 --> 01:44:50,159
remaining part of the pay study is doing

2649
01:44:50,159 --> 01:44:52,400
the job descriptions. So, we've uh got

2650
01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:53,920
two departments done and we're working

2651
01:44:53,920 --> 01:44:56,080
through several others. So, that

2652
01:44:56,080 --> 01:45:04,950
concludes my report.

2653
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:08,560
» Does anyone have any questions?

2654
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:10,239
>> Eddie. Yes. Hold on. Let me get over

2655
01:45:10,239 --> 01:45:13,679
there to you, brother.

2656
01:45:13,679 --> 01:45:14,960
>> Sheet that you had.

2657
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:15,840
>> Sure.

2658
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:17,280
>> Jason, can you pull that PowerPoint back

2659
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:20,000
up? Thank you. Yeah. In in the

2660
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:22,159
retirement, I read this. It's on page

2661
01:45:22,159 --> 01:45:24,080
76.

2662
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:26,800
>> I I don't unless I missed it, I don't

2663
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:33,760
see that we looked at any kind of uh of what some of our public safety

2664
01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:36,159
employees are requesting, you know, the

2665
01:45:36,159 --> 01:45:40,159
early retirement benefit. uh it it's not

2666
01:45:40,159 --> 01:45:42,080
included in in the discussion of

2667
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:45,040
retirement, but did do we know of the

2668
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:48,480
peer group how many offer some kind of

2669
01:45:48,480 --> 01:45:50,639
early retirement?

2670
01:45:50,639 --> 01:45:53,199
So, no, off the top I do not. I can ask

2671
01:45:53,199 --> 01:45:56,159
the consultant for that information.

2672
01:45:56,159 --> 01:45:57,920
I can say offhand I only know of a

2673
01:45:57,920 --> 01:45:59,679
handful of agencies around us that offer

2674
01:45:59,679 --> 01:46:00,400
it.

2675
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:05,119
>> Okay. But overall we we received I think

2676
01:46:05,119 --> 01:46:08,159
it said that is is

2677
01:46:08,159 --> 01:46:11,600
uh among the most generous

2678
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:14,000
>> u than the typical public se public

2679
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:16,639
sector benchmarks in retirement because

2680
01:46:16,639 --> 01:46:19,280
we don't require it's a non-contributo

2681
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:20,320
>> that's correct

2682
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:22,639
>> uh benefit.

2683
01:46:22,639 --> 01:46:28,278
>> Okay. Thank you. That's all.

2684
01:46:28,288 --> 01:46:31,270
» [snorts]

2685
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:34,639
» Director Gallow, you did identify a few

2686
01:46:34,639 --> 01:46:38,480
areas that we were not super strong in

2687
01:46:38,480 --> 01:46:41,040
shift differential on call

2688
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:44,080
>> paid holidays. Um

2689
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:47,119
do you intend m perhaps for the next

2690
01:46:47,119 --> 01:46:50,400
fiscal year to propose changes in those

2691
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:53,119
areas or

2692
01:46:53,119 --> 01:46:55,280
>> it's a good question. Yes, to some

2693
01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:56,960
extent, but there is the part that goes

2694
01:46:56,960 --> 01:46:58,880
with it which has been brought up in

2695
01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:00,880
other topics and that's the point of

2696
01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:03,520
funding. And so, while I can make the

2697
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:05,679
recommendation to increase things, um

2698
01:47:05,679 --> 01:47:07,119
the bottom line is it does cost

2699
01:47:07,119 --> 01:47:10,239
additional money to do that.

2700
01:47:10,239 --> 01:47:11,119
So, yeah.

2701
01:47:11,119 --> 01:47:12,880
>> Yeah, it it's not for this year.

2702
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:14,480
>> Yeah, [laughter]

2703
01:47:14,480 --> 01:47:15,119
understood.

2704
01:47:15,119 --> 01:47:18,400
>> It'd be nice to know. Um,

2705
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:20,880
I mean, I don't know

2706
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:24,080
what the impact of bringing us up a

2707
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:26,320
little bit in shift differential would

2708
01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:28,400
be because I don't really have a grasp

2709
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:31,760
for how often that's utilized or the on

2710
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:34,320
call pay like that might be something

2711
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:37,360
that's not really utilized that much.

2712
01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:39,840
So, it might not be a huge impact to the

2713
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:41,760
budget and we could be more competitive.

2714
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:42,880
And

2715
01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:44,639
>> so just so you know for context,

2716
01:47:44,639 --> 01:47:46,400
employees with on call pay have it paid

2717
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:48,400
as a monthly stipen regardless of if

2718
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:49,679
they get called in or not.

2719
01:47:49,679 --> 01:47:52,239
>> Okay.

2720
01:47:52,239 --> 01:47:54,560
>> Well, I'd like to learn more about the

2721
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:56,960
kind of the detailed and the nuances for

2722
01:47:56,960 --> 01:47:57,920
next year.

2723
01:47:57,920 --> 01:47:58,480
>> Okay.

2724
01:47:58,480 --> 01:47:59,119
>> Thank you.

2725
01:47:59,119 --> 01:48:09,030
>> Yes.

2726
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:12,159
» Motion to adjurnn.

2727
01:48:12,159 --> 01:48:14,239
Second

2728
01:48:14,239 --> 01:48:15,280
proper motion

2729
01:48:15,280 --> 01:48:17,199
>> and adjournment proper second on the

2730
01:48:17,199 --> 01:48:19,280
adjournment.

2731
01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:22,400
>> All in favor say I know I know.

2732
01:48:22,400 --> 01:48:24,880
>> All right. Thank you. All oppose. No.

2733
01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:28,480
I know. So the nos have it. So

2734
01:48:28,480 --> 01:48:30,639
everybody remain I'm not ready to go

2735
01:48:30,639 --> 01:48:33,119
home. No. It's ajourned. Thank you guys.

2736
01:48:33,119 --> 01:48:36,660
Appreciate that.

2737
01:48:36,670 --> 01:48:38,690
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