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The first item on our agenda is um an in
is a update from the administration.
And so I would uh like to have um first
um
uh I think Chief Leeb from Salt Lake
City Fire Department and Mayor Mendenhal
join us.
and um you're going to be providing an
update on the fire on Main Street from
last night.
So, please go ahead.
» Yeah, you can go first, mayor. That's
all right. Just like this morning. Thank
you, council members. Good afternoon.
Thank you, council chair. I'm happy to
give you briefing on the uh events from
last evening. I'll uh try and keep it uh
relatively
um brief and then feel free to ask me
questions following briefing. So um last
evening about 8:40 p.m. we received a a
first alarm commercial uh fire call at a
restaurant uh the London Bell. Um
potential fire in the kitchen. A crews
arrived on scene and began to
investigate a cooking fire. uh they
found smoke and fire ultimately in the
ceiling area uh within the establishment
and uh they began to ensure evacuation
of the building which had already really
initiated by the employees um of the
bell. Uh we initiated an aggressive
offensive attack at that time to try and
isolate the fire. However, it was
located in the void space between what
we see as a ceiling and the roof of
these buildings and it started expanding
and started moving uh laterally both
north and south.
Uh at 9:42 p.m. we transitioned from an
offensive to a defensive strategy and
called a third alarm. Offensive strategy
in the fire department means we have
firefighters interior, we may have
firefighters on the roof, um near the
exterior walls. We're doing everything
we can to save the structure. When we go
defensive, the scene has become so
dangerous for firefighters, we have to
fight from a safe position external of
the building off the roof. Everybody's
out.
Uh we had approximately 78 firefighters
on scene and 20 fire apparatus.
Ultimately, we had major damage to five
businesses. Um early this morning, it
was updated from 4 to 5
uh and included another establishment um
to the north.
6:15 a.m. this morning, we concluded our
fire watch and we knew demobilized fire
crews. 6:40 a.m. last crew was released
from the scene. Since uh we left the
scene uh early this morning, we've been
back um at least once just to extinguish
some hot spots that the investigative
team uh located. So, that's not unusual
for a fire of this size. We had three
minor firefighter injuries, but no
civilian injuries. uh building
inspections. Uh we're gathering that
information for all the buildings that
are involved. We partner with building
services and code enforcement for these
type of buildings. Uh they were built in
1914 and they underwent several remodels
throughout the years. Many of us have
have been in those buildings. It's very
unfortunate.
Mutual aid really helped us out uh last
night. We uh have to give credit to SLC
911. They do a great job. Salt Lake City
Emergency Man, Salt Lake County EM, Salt
Lake City Police Department provides a
drone for our use. We find that
invaluable in fires like this. It's a
it's a great collaboration, very
valuable. Uh, Unified Fire Authority,
West Valley, South Salt Lake, uh, fire
departments all helped us out. They also
moved, uh, some units into the city to
back fill our stations so we could go
on, uh, our regular calls that we have
throughout the evening. So, that's very
helpful. Initial estimated loss is
approximately 5 million for all
buildings involved. Rocky Mountain Power
has started to turn power back on to
adjacent businesses. That includes
Cheers to You, the Bodega, and Utah Book
and Magazine.
Currently, the properties have been
turned over to the owners and from there
they will determine the next steps with
building services. There's no immediate
intent for the fire department to um do
anything with those buildings from, you
know, uh clearing them out to raising
them. So, we have no plan for that right
now. It's up to the owners. So, nothing
will happen quickly. I just want to put
a plug in for the firefighters. They did
a tremendous job uh last night. This was
a very intense fire. It was very fast
moving. There's a lot of fuel in these
uh roof void spaces. a lot of
opportunity for it to gain uh traction
uh and speed. And quite honestly, the
conditions last night were they were
hazardous. It's very hot. Uh visibility
was next to nothing. We're trying to
identify where the fire is, how can we
reach it, how can we apply water, how
can we keep our firefighters safe and
ensure nobody's in the buildings. So,
they did a tremendous job. Uh my whole
leadership team was on scene. Of course,
we had, you know, upwards of 80
firefighters. As I said, they did a
great job. So, hands off to their
firefighters in Salt Lake.
Give it to you, mayor.
» Thanks, Chief. And I I just want to say
the firefighters are Salt Lake City
firefighters are the best and we also
can't do the best work without the fire
departments who back us up in these
situations. And um we're just incredibly
fortunate also that the three
firefighters who sustained minor
injuries when Chief Lee described them
this morning in the press event, they
don't sound minor to me at all. Broken
ankle, uh falling ceiling debris that
trapped a firefighter against a fence
and another injury that escapes my mind.
» Yeah. Um smoke inhalation.
» Smoke inhalation, dehydration, and
nausea. So, um I I hope that they're
well. I wanted to give you an update on
three ways that the city is working very
quickly to try to help these business
owners and their employees. First is the
uh reach back to the tip your server
program that we did with the downtown
alliance and many other businesses
downtown during COVID which recognized
that these displaced employees need
income right away and unrestricted
income. And so we are standing up and it
actually just went live on the Downtown
Alliance website, the Salt Lake City
Main Street Fire Employee Assistance
Fund. And we're setting it up so that
anybody can make a contribution. And
those contributions will go 100% to the
employees of those five businesses that
were directly affected. We'll be working
with the business owners, of course, to
make those distributions. And the
Downtown Alliance is a great partner in
helping us to do that. I believe the
Utah Restaurant Association is also
involved with us. So that is now live on
their website. The second part is an
emergency loan fund concept that we also
did during COVID. This provides um no
interest loans with a term sheet of
repayment over several years. We're
looking at recreating something like
that for these businesses so that um
either while they wait for reimbursement
from insurance or for the gap that the
insurance cannot cover that we could
work with them on some terms to get them
uh no interest loans from the city. We
will of course be coming to you to
determine how whether or not you want to
approve those funds and how we're going
to deploy them. but we're working with
economic development, Mary Beth
Thompson's team, and the CRA to figure
that out. We'll have information to you
as soon as possible. Um, the third piece
is that we've I've made a commitment to
all of the business and property owners
that we will give them white glove
service to get their permits and
inspections done as quickly as possible
so that they can get reopened and doing
business as quickly as possible. So,
just wanted to give you an update and
always open to your suggestions as you
talk with those business owners and
community members or have other ideas.
We we are open to it.
» Um, Council Member Lo Chavez.
» Yeah, thank you so much. Uh, thank you,
Chief Lib. Um, thank you to Station One
and the B patrol and, uh, Mayor
Mendenhal. Thank you eternally from
district 4 and on behalf of not just our
neighbors and residents but our small
business owners that are the life and
blood of Main Street in our downtown. It
means so much to me and uh I I was
completely shocked as is everybody. But
this doesn't have to be another hole or
another uh dilapidation on our main
street. I think if anything it shows the
vigor that city hall has to reinfuse
and to extend expand on the dynamics
that are at play here. We have a vibrant
main street in downtown. Uh we have lots
of isolated economic development
projects and commerce coming in. And so
I can't wait for the reopening. I'm
really excited to hear that power is
back online. You can still I I didn't
hear Felt, but I hope Felt's on that
list as well and other restaurants later
that'll come back online. And uh I I
just want to recognize the heroism of
those three firefighters again. This was
a brave act, an immediate response from
our fire department and emergency
response.
Uh, and this is an opportunity for us to
to step up and to really have a larger
and broader conversation about how do we
continue to supplement our burgeoning
downtown. We've seen a lot of growth.
Um, and I I'm excited for the time
ahead, but I want to recognize and and
share my sympathies as well for the
damage that the fire has caused. uh but
also very very grateful
uh for the opportunity to speak with the
businesses and and have longer term
conversations about how we can support
them.
» Thanks.
» Yeah,
Mr. Chair.
» Yes, Council Member Po. Quickly, I
obviously I want to like thank the the
the work of of of your uh personnel
there, the firefighters that put their
you know, it's it's uh it's always
fascinating to uh you know, they run
towards danger and and and keeps us all
safe and the work uh putting themselves
there uh to to mitigate this is is is
huge. Um it was a there was probably
hundreds of videos online. It was very
visible of a of a fire and I'm sure is a
is a traumatic uh time for the community
of the employees and and and whatnot
too. Um I my question relates to um uh
securing the properties uh and ensuring
that there are not in danger to the
community as a whole. There is a very um
public space and there's multiple ways
to get to this uh properties. uh is that
on uh the the owners to secure the
properties and do they have a timeline
to do that? Is there assistance possibly
for that?
» Yeah, it's normally that is that is the
responsibility of the owners council
member but emergency management will
facilitate the securing of the property.
So if they are not in a position to be
able to do that immediately um emergency
management will step in and make sure
that that occurs.
» Thank you. Any other questions?
All right. Um well, thank you, Chief. We
really appreciate the good work of you
and your um firefighters and thanks,
mayor, for being here.
Okay. Um other updates from the
administration.
Um I believe we have Weston Clark,
director of community and outreach, uh
or director of community outreach, and
Andrew Johnston, director of homeless
policy and outreach.
Good afternoon, council. Um, we'll go
ahead and go into the engagement
highlights for you all. Uh, if you go to
the next page, a reminder to go to their
slc.gov/feedbackedback
page where we try to collect all of our
projects for the community to engage on.
Um, but I will reference today, um,
we've started a soft launch of our new
engagement software, which I'm really
excited about. Um, and there are some
engagement opportunities there already
that we will point to. It's uh the
shape.slc.gov.
Um shape slc. Um so I will mention those
later and hopefully we will get
everything on there very soon. Next
slide. Starting with some public lands.
Um we've got several exciting updates
across the city's parks and public
spaces. Starting with Fleet Block. The
public survey for the green space and
artwork went live on August 11th and
will stay open through the end of the
month. We are teaming up with partners
also to host community conversations
throughout August so residents are able
to share their ideas in person. In
Glendale, we celebrated the grand
opening of the new pickleball complex.
Some of you know that well on July 30th
and the event drew a crowd of local
players and neighbors who are excited to
see the new courts in action. I haven't
played there yet, but I hope to soon. at
Liberty Park. The Rotary Play Area is
going to be closing on August 19th for a
major redevelopment that will run
through summer of 2026. So, if you have
kids with memories of that space, it's
time to check it out one last time. In
the meantime, we've posted a list of
nearby playgrounds on the project's
websites website so that families can
find other spots to play. Looking at
Allen Park, public lands will begin
installing new water and fire lines in
fall in this fall. Uh this is a $500,000
project that will improve fire safety
and support the health of the park's
trees. Uh this is the first step in a
series of major upgrades funded by the
general obligation bond. Uh the work
will take about 3 to four months,
weather permitting. And in the short
term, there is also a planned closure of
the park on August 18th for some demo of
a small building in the park. Next page.
Um this is uh on our new shape SLC page.
This is the um new well mural. You've
probably heard we've had over a thousand
responses to the survey already on uh
Shape LC SLC, which is great. Uh it's
going to make its debut in 2026, and we
encourage residents to go there and
share their ideas and feedback on the
survey, which will be open until
September 15th.
Uh and then, uh in Love Your Block news,
we just wrapped up our most competitive
grant cycle yet with a record 32
applications. Six projects were selected
to receive fall mini grants, uh helping
spur resident driven change. These
projects will take place in Glendel,
Popppler Grove, and Ballpark and will be
completed by November 30th. Uh residents
and council members are invited to roll
up your sleeves and join. You can reach
out to Diana RmIrez on my team in the
mayor's office or visit the Love Your
Block website in order to find out when.
And the next slide is our uh fall events
happening out in the community. Uh also
where my team will be uh offering
community office hours if folks would
like to engage with the mayor's office.
um including this weekend at the
Kensington Street Fair and the Bonnie
Ball in Sugar House on August 23rd. Uh
so we encourage uh the community to show
up to those events and chat with the
liaison team there. And that is all for
me.
Next slide, please.
Uh two slides to the council members. Uh
the first one is the typical one with
the utilization report. Uh 96%
utilization. I will say that the
majority of our openings recently have
been at our senior uh shelter option.
So, it's not necessarily uniform across
all shelters. Uh clearly running at
capacity across the board. Uh EIM at
Gladiola Street in the industrial area
this week. And then Victory Road and
Warm Springs Park continue to be a focus
area for the rapid intervention teams
although they are across the city and
other places as well. Uh resource fair
did happen last Friday uh very
successful and the next one is in
September at Library Square. Uh next
slide.
Uh some updates here for some of you uh
who have asked some questions about
what's going on with certain uh
initiatives. Uh the winter services
planning has uh taken place over the
summertime. The plan for the Salt Lake
County was submitted to the state on
August or July 30th for August 1
deadline. Uh they have a couple of weeks
to respond to the plan uh including uh
whether they're going to accept it or
reject it based on certain criteria. I
will say that um the plan envisions
about 400 more shelter beds this coming
winter than last winter. Uh there is an
open question about how to pay for those
and if those will be available and
that's something that will be back and
forth with the state and the task force
in the coming weeks. Transformative
campus. Uh there's not much to say
publicly about this at this point. The
state is talking about they are
evaluating land uh for the location. Uh
but uh we will say very clearly that the
office of homeless services the state
does not have enough funding either
capital for the build of it or for
operations going forward. Uh that is a
topic of discussion among all of us uh
pretty consistently and going forward
towards let's say next legislative
session it will be a big topic. The
governor I believe plans to have his
budget ready in September and we'll have
a better sense then about what he's
proposing as well. Mobile hygiene pilot
which was initiated at the council
level. uh earlier uh this year. Uh it
has been awarded to a local nonprofit, a
small group is very excited. We'll have
more info for you as soon as possible.
They're looking at the name, working
through us about details where, when,
how that'll happen. Uh we'll hopefully
have that with you very quickly. And
then community corner on the left of the
screen, you'll see a flyer. Uh this is
an uh opportunity we've presented to uh
small homeless providers who are doing
mobile outreach uh to the community and
typically are going where people are or
going to parks and people are gathering
in parks for those services. Uh we've
been working with parks with some of the
uh unintended effects in the park system
uh of this happening consistently. So
one option we're providing to people now
is a vacant piece of land that we've
fenced off and and secured uh that CRA
owns. It is going to be open Mondays
through Wednesdays in the afternoons. Uh
local providers can apply to HART um to
have to set up there to offer services
to the unsheltered. They've planned
those hours specifically to match up
with existing services at the Wagan
Center in St. Vincent Depal. So they're
not overlapping or being duplicitous
here. Uh duplicative, excuse me. And um
it's intended to be a short-term thing.
Um, so now until uh October or November
when winter services open up and we're
evaluating how impactful this is as far
as still delivering services but
containing them to a certain location
where we can ensure it's clean, it's
safe, um, and it doesn't overflow to
other places and impact other users of
parks. Uh, and HART will be
administering is administering this
program right now. Uh, so I can take any
questions for you or we can talk
offline.
Council member Petro,
» How many beds were accounted for in the
task force's plan that they submitted?
And does West Valley have to in
perpetuity keep a temporary use going
via preeemption?
» Uh, I'll start with the West Valley
question. The West Valley, uh, there's a
state-owned liquor store what's been
closed for several years now. Uh,
they've used that for two years, I
believe, now for an overflow shelter
temporarily in the wintertime. Um, in
the last couple of years, the state has
been able to cobble together enough
money to keep those uh facilities open
through the summer so there's not a drop
off in the spring. Because it is
stateowned, West Valley doesn't really
have a say in uh it operating there.
Wayne Neerhouser and the Office of
Homeless Services have worked with them
and tried to keep them very much updated
on their plans and intentions. Uh, but
yeah, as a temporary site, it's been
pretty much continuously operated for
quite a while now. I believe it's still
um it's part of the plan to be operated
through this winter as well. So I can't
really tell you sort of the future of
that. The general numbers that the task
force came up with were based on point
in time count numbers uh last year
shelter utilization and the number of
beds we had plus turnaways uh and code
blue nights. I'm trying to get the best
estimate we can. Uh that came out to,300
temporary beds. That's in addition to
the 20 the year round beds we have fully
funded in the HRC's.
Um that means that includes say West
Valley the extra beds in the current
resource centers on North Temple other
places like that plus uh that included
the code blue beds which we've had
previous years. Um I think it envisioned
about 200 over 200 of those I'll say. Uh
as well as 400 additional beds in that
1300 that we haven't had before. So it
does market a market increase from last
year. I I will say that um we know that
there is a demand out there. Clearly
we've been full in our current resource
centers even with all of the additional
beds from last winter. We're still full.
Uh so the need is there. The question is
how can we come up with the locations
and the money to do it.
» I'll say we in the general sense, not
the city.
» Council member,
» Mr. Chair, I thank you. Uh I would love
to um
I I appreciate uh you know how you frame
this uh answers as like we um because we
are part of it. Um and uh but I
obviously struggle sometimes with the
rhetoric uh from uh from from some
people that make it look like it's only
select city's problem or select city's
doing. Um I would love to uh explore the
opportunity if uh
Mr. Wayne Neerhauser would love to visit
us. Uh we would love to have him here to
explain uh to let us know how he's
approached this and how we can help him.
Uh you know I would love to to listen uh
from from uh you know who's leading this
department for the state. um and uh and
put it on the record here too uh for our
our ourselves and for our citizens and I
I would love to um extend that
invitation. I know that uh he doesn't
respond to us and you know I have a
great deal of respect for him myself um
and we are not my intent is not to put
him in an awkward situation but to
actually uh understand the constraints
uh that he is experienced and how he
sees this problem. uh moving forward.
So, um thank you for the work. Um as far
as the uh corner, the community corner,
uh are you intending to have a a board
there or something that tells the times
where the services are going to be
implemented or so for those who visit
the spot to know when is this what is
the schedule looking like?
» Sure. Uh, so I'll say that the first
thing that happens a lot in the
unsheltered community is word of mouth
spreads things very quickly. Um, so we
know that's going to happen. The
providers themselves um are spreading
the word through their networks, people
they're already seeing on the streets
and other locations. Uh, we haven't done
a big opening for this uh site. Um, we
kept it fairly low-key uh as a buildup.
So for this week, we'll probably see
some low numbers. Um and it depends on
who what providers are showing up as
well because they have to plan in
advance to be there so we know who's
going to be there make sure it's not
overwhelming the the site etc. So um we
are doing word of mouth and through the
provider networks um both who are going
to be there and who are also sort of
other providers in the community going
that route with the uh notification.
We've also done some work Weston's team
has done well to coordinate with the
neighbors around that site uh to make
sure that they were aware in advance.
We've had meetings with them to hear
their concerns. U make sure we try and
address as much as we can there um to uh
kind of ward off any issues that they
may have foresee happening there.
» Will you be so kind to share uh the
process for any neighbor or uh resident
in the area to uh just let let your team
know of what's happening. Uh there's a
there's a lot of constraints in the
area. There's a lot of issues in the
area as you very well know. uh and uh
they're not very far from this site. Um
certainly I I uh believe that offering
this the right services is is key here.
Um I also want to mitigate the impacts
to the overall community too. Um that
being said, garbage or uh you know
potentially uh the popup of more of uh
drug markets uh you know in the streets
and whatnot. And um So I I would love
that having those resources so I can
share with my neighbors as well.
» So u just up front right now Amy Stoxs
who manages the heart team. She's the
direct contact for this community
corner. Um one-stop shop go right to
her. Uh Commander Diamond in the police
department and Lieutenant Davis uh who
work with him. Uh they've been our
contacts meeting with all the neighbors
and for safety and security issues. Um
so we make sure that all the neighbors
have their contact information so they
can contact us directly. Even yesterday
when they were um working down there,
they got calls from UTA to work on some
things. Um so we are actively engaged
with those neighbors on those things.
» Okay, I don't think we have any other
questions. Thank you so much.
All right, the next item on our agenda
is um a resolution for the capital
improvement program follow-up
discussions.
And with us we have Kate Werret, um,
council policy analyst. And then we also
have available available for questions
Ben Lekkey, um, deputy chief financial
officer, uh, Rachel Molinari, capital
improvement program manager, Mike
Atkinson, capital asset planning
manager, and some other department
directors.
Go ahead, Kate.
» Great. Thank you. So, this is, I
believe, our fourth briefing that we've
had on the capital improvement program.
I'm just going to refer to it as the CIP
moving forward. And we have quite a bit
of time today to discuss this because
this is your opportunity to like
finalize going through the projects,
call out any projects that haven't been
funded or or were funded and you want to
adjust the funding. So, um, there are
eight or nine projects that received a
funding recommendation that we haven't
discussed yet. If it's okay with you, I
I say we just hit those projects and
then opening it up for discussion on
funding. You'll notice at your your
seats you have a sheet that has all the
projects that I was aware of that you
had funding suggestions for um that that
are there. But we'll get to that in a
second. So let's go ahead and open the
funding log and look at uh project
number 28 is where we will start.
So, this funding um this project is the
Riverside Basketball Court renovation.
Um it was they requested $530,000
and they were recommended um by both the
the advisory board and the mayor to
receive full funding for this.
If there's no comments,
good with that. Okay, we'll go ahead and
go to project number 38 then.
So, this is for electric vehicle
charging expansion at the public service
building. Um they had requested funding
for phases one and two and uh the mayor
recommended funding through phase three
which will provide enough EV charging
stations to fulfill the needs that that
are had. Um you are going to be having
an EV charging station as well as EV
vehicle um well EV charging station for
both public use and city use coming up
here in the next couple months. We're
waiting on one more transmitt from the
airport to to bring that to you, just so
you're aware. But um that that's why
this is recommended for funding at a
higher amount than their request because
the mayor is recommending funding to the
full amount to get them through phase
three.
» Mr. Chair,
» Yes, Council Member Puy,
» Quick question. Uh can uh are there uh
breakdowns on this money that the I can
quickly find out other uh smaller
amounts of money that we can potentially
allocate. I guess that's that's what I'm
trying to get to. Um it's it's a
significant amount of money. Not right
now the pressure I'm feeling is uh that
there is so much need and so little
money. Um and uh and I'm trying to make
good to uh public safety needs uh first.
Uh
in my mind. So, uh if you have any
information on that one, I would love to
explore the possibility of shaving some
of the funds here if uh if possible.
» Yeah, definitely. So, um they have a
breakdown um in their application
that had had it broken down. So for
phase one, um it was going to be
1,11,000
plus change. Um phase 2 um was $214,000
plus change and then phase three was 98
$99,000.
So um if you look at um with with their
funding recommendation
um they had asked for phases one and
two. So that 1 million $2,000 and the
mayor added in the additional to make it
the full three phases. So if you were
looking to just do um phase phases one
and two um that would give you
about $76,118
in the general fund that that could go
towards other projects.
» So 70
» Can I clarify? I I don't think I wrote I
see here allocated 1,78,87
total.
» Yes.
» With 1,1,214,000
and 999,000 as the the allocation here
doesn't even cover the first two phases.
Sorry, I don't know if I wrote something
down wrong.
» I just didn't follow that.
» Maybe I I'm
» Reading it wrong. Thank you. Hi, Julie
Krookton.
» Julie Kricxton, public services.
» Kate just switched up some of the
numbers. So phase one and two would be
the figure you quoted. And then the
phase three additional money that the
mayor added is the 76,000.
The sorry initial phase is expensive
because you have to add electric
infrastructure. So it's not just the
chargers, which is why phase three is
cheaper because at that point you're
just adding more chargers. The first
phase is adding transformers and more
electric capacity.
Can I follow up real quick?
» So I'm seeing that we currently have a
fleet of 50 our current infrastructure
because this is an expansion of
infrastructure that we have. Is our
current infra is this is this expansion
driven by actual demand or a projected
demand. Is our current fleet being
served or is this expansion required to
serve that current fleet?
» Both. So, the current fleet is needing
to be very creative in how they charge
their vehicles. So, they're having to do
a lot of coordination to cycle
everything through. And if you have too
many vehicles charging at once, it trips
the breaker of the building. So, this
would address that as well as expand the
capacity for the predicted vehicles that
will could eventually become EVs.
They're mostly sedans that the
technology already exists, but because
we haven't had the charging, we haven't
bought the EVs yet. Um, could I if if I
could I would love to see the projection
for what we are switching to EV because
I know in fleet it was part of the
proposal during the budget session. So
I'd like to see what we're converting
and how long this expansion would help
us like when when the next expansion
will be required.
» We can get you that information.
» Yeah, obviously this is something I
value myself. Sorry, Mr. Chair.
» No, go ahead. the I value I trying to uh
see if there's an opportunity to maybe
punt some of these objectives to a
little later buying ourselves a little
time for the goals but ultimately I when
I am uh working on my house uh you know
sometimes is it makes sense to do it all
together um you know then facing it but
but even even from the explanation that
we got today potentially it will be a
satactory to do phase one and two and
that will give us $76,000 of potential
uh
funding to play around.
» Yes, that's correct.
» This might be some more information.
» Thank you. The other thing that I want
to add is that um right now there are no
um EV stations there and most officers
are charging their vehicles at home.
So it's costing them a lot of money
whereas they could charge it at the
public safety parking lot instead of
charging them at home. So keep that in
mind for these EV stations as well. I
think it's really important for our
officers to not have to have incur that
expense at their home.
Go ahead.
» I don't think so.
» Okay.
» Yep.
» Great. Well, we will continue on to item
40 or project 44.
» This is event infrastructure and
pavilion replacements for vibrant safe
city parks.
» I was being a bad student. I missed the
the number. What was that number?
» 44.
» So, all the funding for this is coming
from park impact fees.
» Can I just ask park impact fees? Remind
me. They can go to new. What What is
their kind of guard rails around them?
So, it's it's mainly new and
improvements that are to increase the
the city's overall level of service for
new residents. It can't be a replacement
of existing items.
» Got it. And is it restricted to just
areas that are designated parks or does
it have more applicability across the
city?
» It it can go towards plaza areas also.
Okay.
» I'm not sure beyond that.
um the the trick is that the projects
across the city. So, first the answer is
no, it does not need to be in a
designated park area. So, for example,
trails um the 9inth South um Neline
Trail is an example where um there was a
creative use of parks impact fees, but
it has to be in our impact fee facility
plan. So, if it's a new idea that wasn't
included in that plan, um it potentially
is not eligible for parks impact fees.
Okay.
» Thank you.
» Mr. Go ahead, M. Council member.
» I will also like to request a little
more breakdown on cost here because it's
a it's a it's a lot of money. Um and I
want to know specifically what we can
buy with that money. Um, and just to
have an idea of how many pavilions I
mean they have to be new being park
impact fees. The description talks about
uh replacements too. Obviously that's
because there's $4 million request um if
we had more money obviously will come
from other funds but um so we are
talking about new new um new amenities.
I would like to see what the
administration is planning to do with
the $2 and a half million dollars if
this were to go funded.
» Okay.
» I'mware potentially.
» Great. I I will share the full
application materials with you on that
one. They they have provided some
additional information. So I I'll send
that your way or everyone's
» Mr. Chair.
» Yes. Go ahead, Council.
» Yeah. Thank you. appreciate the
questions and appreciate the explanation
here. My question would be on
specifically would bike racks be
included in this.
» So I asked and bike racks are not
covered by park impact fees on a general
basis unless it's at a park.
» Why wouldn't they? Like it's a new
amenity. Is that like a by law? Like
» I think if they're included as part of
an an entirely new park plan. Yes, this
is where the way we write our impact fee
plan is very important. Um so as the
administration is upgrade is updating
the impact fee plan um these are the
kinds of lessons unfortunately we have
to learn the hard way of um ways to um
preserve our ability to use impact fees
more flexibly in the future. But they
are heavily regulated by state law and
that's why the impact fee plan is
written the way it is. Um, so it's
frustrating and not perfect, but it
means that we have to use them when we
do know that they're eligible. So,
» And are we planning to make that update
eventually? Someone putting a sticky
note somewhere on this one.
» Yes.
» Any other questions?
» Okay,
» Great. Okay. So the next project u is
project 45 the very next one. So
playground shade they asked for 500,000
and were recommended to receive 500,000
from park impact fees.
You can see a list um there of where
those shade structures may may go.
» Council,
» Sorry,
» You're okay. How how is it that it comes
from impact fees for like replacement of
shades?
» We need an impact fee attorney here. But
in general, um, playground replacement
has been deemed eligible for impact fees
because the playgrounds that are
replaced serve more kids than are
currently being served. So, in a sense,
new people who are moving in are able to
use a facility that has expanded in
scope. The way I think about it and the
way it was explained to me at one point
is are you adding a lane to a road or
are you replacing the existing lanes
with the exist a road with the ex same
number of lanes. So if we're adding
amenities to a park to serve growth and
that's the key and we have it in our
impact fee plan then we can use it then
we can use impact fees
» Or if you're a fire truck.
» Yes. or if you're a fire truck.
» Police bar.
» Correct.
» Okay, great. Okay, next up is number 48.
Um
this is the Rose Lane beautifification
trail and safety improvement. You may
remember that when we were reviewing one
of the first um items in the project log
um it was for ADA improvements and it
wasn't fully funded because $680,000
from that went to this project instead
which is pretty much a sub project of
that ADA improvement one. Um and the
these funds are coming from the general
fund. So, um
» I'm not really asking for much anywhere
else in CIP because of this. Um this is
what's in the city's purview to
accomplish. Um we consistently neglect
this area. No offense. I know you all
work as hard as you can, but every year
I have two constituents who have to tell
me, can we get the weeds mode? Can we
get the weeds mode? It's just so on the
edge of everything um that we don't that
what they really need honestly is for
you do to stop rejecting me. Um it's
Carlos Brceros is the only man who's
allowed to reject me and still get
emails from me. But like they keep
rejecting the request for a sound wall.
There's a material change to the use of
that highway since the truck prohibition
left the legacy highway and since they
added the high the um the factories
across the way that caused like a
reverberation effect. So this is a very
lovely thing that the city is doing to
enhance it. Still represents probably
about a third of what that neighborhood
needs, but it's a good faith signal from
the city that we are hearing them. We
care about them and even being on the
edge of the city means that you still
deserve full service from us.
Council
member Young,
» Just a quick followup, and this may be
for my fellow council member, but I'm
open to feedback from anywhere. So, when
we're installing just like the new trees
and the new irrigation, do we also have
like a plan to take care of those?
» So, within their application, they
include an estimate on how much it will
impact the the the maintenance of the
park areas in each application. Um, I
can look this one up and let you know
what that number was. What
» And is that something where it's then
reasonable to like have that as part of
the consideration for the future budget
conversation? Like really what I'm
asking for is an ability to kind of flag
those items where it's like we approved
an improvement to this area and now we
would like to commit to maintaining it
in future budgetary cycles as opposed to
it getting lost in the process.
Is that a maybe? Maybe we could do that.
» So are you asking for like the ongoing
cost for this capital investment? So
it's not just this project, it's all the
CIPs that I'd just be curious in not not
for today and today's approval but to be
able to make sure that we are
calculating those pieces because I think
it is one of the things that I I have
both seen not just in my district but
across the city um that you know we
create these new really really beautiful
spaces for our residents and I just want
to make sure that as a council we
continue to have a conversation about
funding the maintenance to keep them at
that level when possible.
» Yeah. And that is that is in the CIP
book and part of the application that
they submitted. Um if we get to a point
where we have what you would like to see
as the funding recommendation, well,
what you want to approve. Um I will go
ahead and calculate what your
maintenance number will be.
» Thank you so much.
» Yeah.
» Can I also piggyback on that? this these
improvements feel like really lowhanging
fruit for us to innovate um smart ways
to do maintenance as opposed to pushing
lawnmowers, those self-propelled zero
emission lawn maintenance machines that
we have been getting sold every time we
go to a conference. I'd love to see that
take some of the burden off of manpower
so that we can keep up and maintain.
So, as we're as we're innovating these
spaces, I would love to see us innovate
care for those spaces that gives us bang
for our buck on our ongoing dollar.
» And Mr. Chair,
» Yes, Council Member Dugan,
» Thank you. And I just again, I'll piggy
back on everybody else here. The uh I
love the idea of the beautifification
and I also appreciate Council Member
Young's comments about ongoing. It's
because in my district it's always
ongoing along Foothill Drive. I know
it's a U dot road, but it's our side of
uh the street, but between like 13 South
and Sunnyside on the east side. The
overgrowth along that uh sidewalk just
makes that sidewalk unuh unusable and
unpassable. It's every year it seems
like it's a stretch there. And the
beautifification just does not happen.
And even when we complain about it,
doesn't happen. It's one of those we
need to have that done. It's not really
the CIP side of the house. It's more the
general budget side of the house. But
those one of those projects is like,
hey, we need to make sure that all the
stuff that
needs to be done is being done on a
regular basis and not until someone
complains about it.
» Okay. Go ahead.
» Great. Thank you. So, the next two
projects
are a little bit different than the
others. Um, well, we've already
discussed 57, which is the next one.
It's the civic campus and the green
loop. I just since we're going in order,
I wanted to just
» I
just uh Sorry, Mr. Chair.
» Yes, go ahead, Council Member Dian.
» I appreciate the the conversation. I
appreciate the work on the the Green
Loop and the the funding for that and
the vision on that. I'm just looking at
uh possibly using some of the funds from
the green lip on another project. Uh
because this project has 99,000 coming
from the general fund, that means that
those funds are open to any uh
multiple uses in all uses that we deem
nec that we deem appropriate. So, I'm
just looking at possibly using some of
that 99,000
out of this uh 3 million to go to a uh a
separate project, project number 18,
just to in uh boost that project up.
And I was looking for between, you know,
30 and $50,000 would be great to add
some more bike racks in number project
number 18.
M Mr. Chair.
» Yes.
» Followup question to M. Yes. Council
» Member Dugan.
» So we have a coun a question for council
member Dugan's proposal.
» Go ahead.
» Will you run through it one more time?
So you you're trying to fund uh 18
which is 100,000 and take it potentially
from 57.
» Yeah. just take uh a small portion of 57
and add it to number 18. And the reason
is because uh we are in dire need of
bike racks across the city. And I'm not
specifically saying what district or
what area for the bike racks. I leave
that more up to the transportation
department, but our bike racks across
the city are in disrepair. And it just,
you know, it doesn't support users of
bikes because now they don't have a
place to park them. And so the bike
racks are a capital improvement. So we
could use the general fund for that
because it's a CIP project, but just
boosting that uh
CIP from 100 grand to say 150 grand.
That that will give you about uh
40 45 uh bike racks
across the city. and and our bike racks
right now are just uh
» Increasingly just being demolished.
» I'm gonna call on myself to answer the
qu to ask a question.
» Sure.
» Which is I mean it the project's request
was only 100,000. It's fully funded. Why
would we give more than what's
requested?
» Because right now just the 40,000 is
just for bike racks themselves. until
the only a few a portion of those that
funding needs to go into the bike racks
and I think we need to inc increase the
number of bike racks we got uh funded
new bike racks
» Right
» I understand I understand I understand
your your position right there uh you're
correct in that case
but this is a 50/50 so I think it I
would just look to for more of that uh
so that they go specifically to the bike
racks
» Yeah I mean it's not that I don't want
to fund
bike racks necessarily. I'm just what if
what if 40% is what is necessary to
accomplish that
um and meet the needs?
» I don't know why.
» Yeah.
» Well, I Yeah, I don't know why they only
put 100 grand there. It doesn't meet
meet the needs of the city, but it does
replace 20 bike racks, but rather
increase those bike racks by more.
» Okay.
» I'm not going to I'm not going to call
that. I'm just saying this came to the
transportation department division also.
It wasn't a a
» Res
project.
» Okay. Council member Lopez Chavez.
» Yeah. Thank you and thank you to council
member Dugan for sharing that. I share a
different perspective um since district
4 only has a partial funding log in the
CIP and we've been so delicate about
dispersing these funds and so I
appreciate the conversation. Uh however
there is one constituent request that I
have brought up to the attention. I was
just waiting to be patient about it. Um
but if we are going to have that
discussion number 25 I brought up early
on in the CIP log. You have a printed
sheet in front of you that breaks up the
line items and still without
prioritization from public lands is the
curb that is missing from the median
green space. that is some of the only
green space in East Central and District
4 that's utilized near the U. And so, as
much as I appreciate the conversation,
just to echo what Council Member Petro
said, our districts all have dire need
and lowanging fruit, I'd much rather I
don't want to eliminate funding from
this project, but if we're going to um
act out of distress and try to represent
the needs of this city, you know, quite
frankly, I I'd rather go back and have
that conversation, which um Council
Member Dugan, you and I had in relation
to this gutter. We currently have
immense misuse in the neighborhood where
people are parking in what otherwise
would be our green space. So, as much as
I'd love to fund Green Loop, there's
also existing green spaces that are
utilized as parks that are currently uh
unfortunately
and organic parking spaces. So, I I
appreciate I know there's need I've
heard from businesses that want to see
bike racks installed. That being said, I
also know that our departments are
cultivating a list to phase out how we
uh approach this installation. Um I just
see that there's dire safety needs in
our city that are more of an impediment
today than the bike racks.
Okay. So, is that an official
I guess my question for both of um
Council Member Dugan and Lopez Chavez is
are you making a motion to make changes
or are we raising these as discussion
points?
» I would make a motion to uh adopt change
number
uh 57,
reduce it by 50,000 and add it to number
18 uh for bike racks. I understand
council Lopez's point that's for close
to a million dollars for the the curbs
which is a broader subject and this is
just a a small portion of the of the
civic campus and the green loop but I
also look at it as part of the overall
big picture on the civic campus side of
the houses because these bike racks are
not just one district they're across the
city.
» Okay. Um well hold on. So
» That's a long motion. So that's your
your I guess proposal and do you want to
call for a straw poll or council member
do you want to speak to the straw poll
before we
» I wouldateate one way or the other.
» Okay. Council member Young.
» So would it be possible to ask the
administration what the impact would be
related to the project and the funding?
Like it would be helpful for me to know
that before making like this type of
change in allocation versus what was
proposed.
» Sorry. Um we have Blake Thomas. Um
please tell us um Mr. Downtown. What
impact would this have?
» Um official title.
» Um yeah, Blake, Mr. Downtown Thomas, uh
senior adviser in the mayor's office.
Thank you, Council Member Young. Thank
you, council members, for your support
um historically of the Civic Center
project. The funding request that we
have was very intentional. Um and so a
reallocation of that funding would
compromise the project and the
timeliness. And part of that is trying
to take advantage of a very
serendipitous moment in time where
there's uh philanthropic and business uh
interest in the community to help fund
the beautifification of downtown as it
relates to the 2027 Temple Openhouse and
the 2034 Olympics. So our hope is that
in our current recommended budget, we
have $60,000 for green bike. We also
have $40,000 for bike rack replacements.
So, we hope to keep as much of that
funding as possible dedicated toward the
civic center to get the project off the
ground as we're currently undergoing a
capital campaign feasibility study to
try to use that 3 million as a a
leverage or a match to the philanthropic
community. So, we just heard some of
those prospects and what the city's
commitment is to that project. So, thank
you for letting me speak to that.
» Thank you, Council Member Pui. I would
love to uh push a little more
information on that. I I think the the
option that is in front of us right now
is for a small amount of money taken
from a project. Um u and I will struggle
with with the concept of shaving a
little bit of money uh and and saying to
me and me having supported this this
project along the line. Uh but hearing
that shaving a little bit of money uh
will put it all in the garbage to me
that's a little bit of a strain into the
conversation. I So
» Council member Dugan is asking for,000
for his project.
» The CDCIP suggested 2.76
uh and a half uh to fund this. Could
this project make a significant moving
forward with that amount of money? That
would be my my question. Could we still
show good commitment to this project? Uh
and potentially not
» Uh that would be my spin to Dugan's uh
question. Uh but you could answer either
way for his $50,000 or for the 99 half
that the the mayor recommended.
» Yeah. Um thank you, Council Member Pui.
Just to be completely clear, I'm not
saying the project would be thrown in
the garbage. I'm saying that a
reallocation would compromise the total
amount that the city is committing for
us to then go try to leverage. So, um,
» Expl you explain that to me because I I
don't understand what that means.
» Yeah, I think this would be the first
construction dollars that would be
dedicated toward the civic block. So,
our hope is to have as much money as
possible from this eligible source to be
able to go after grants, philanthropy,
and other sources since it'll end up
being probably a 15 to$18 million
project. So, I don't mean to be
hyperbolic in any way and completely
understand where you're coming from. I'm
not saying that it's throwing it in the
garbage, but I'm just saying that the
reallocation of the total amount that we
can go try to leverage in the community
would be compromised.
Council member Petro,
» Can I ask a little bit about that? As
someone who
fundraises professionally,
um the uncertainty in the world around
us and competing demands is making
fundraising difficult as it never has
been. I'm also not a large municipality
with a lot of other off benefits to
offer. So, as I'm looking at this being
20%, you know that like I I want the
green loop ultimately. It's something
beautiful we deserve to have. I still
struggle with how we rank it as a
priority when we have so many competing
priorities and an increasing number of
priorities given to us from federal del
dereliction of duty all the way down. So
can you you don't have to do it on the
public record but if we're going to give
seed money any angel investor
would say what are the other prospects
how far along are we in them what are
some soft commitments we have made
giving 20% to something that we want and
I would be even more aggressive I would
shut 200 east all the way down and
actually just green it all the way
through I think you're actually being
conservative in what you're presenting
to us um
if we're being asked to prioritize this
at this moment above all else, knowing
that we probably have another three
cycles of true difficulty ahead of us at
minimum, um I'd like to see what we've
prospected and what the what the honest
to God leveraging opportunity is to make
sure this 20% does realize into what we
need it to, especially if we're going to
not allocating it to other very concrete
things that we know we need and that
will make a difference. Um and then the
other thing not for Mr. Downtown is um
bike racks on the west side don't just
need to be physically there. We need
assistance securing them. I have yet to
find the U-lock that isn't cut while
people are in the Smiths on 700 North
leading people to not want to bike on
the west side because there is no way
for us to be guaranteed that our mode of
transportation will be there when we
come out. So if we are going to allocate
additional money to bike racks, I would
like part of it to go towards
understanding what the best technologies
options that not only allow us to like
use our own locks, but promote the
highest level of safety for people if we
honestly want them to use them as
transit.
» Thank you. Um just Yeah. Uh I'm going to
go first and because we have and then
I'll back to you. Um, so and is it about
council member Dugan's request for a
straw hole? Okay. So, I also have a a
constituent request for a bike rack that
I thought would be a very simple and
easy thing. Um, it is not it is going to
be extremely expensive. Um, I understand
that and I really want to be able to
deliver on that request. However, I also
have conversations weekly with
constituents about Green Loop and trying
to understand like what it is, where are
we in the process, how much is it going
to cost, where is the money going to
come from, when does it start, what is
all of those things. Um, and
we, I feel like, have already started
going down the path of doing that, uh,
of answering those questions and
planning out, um, getting together
enough of a of a coherent plan that we
actually know how it how much it is
going to cost and how we're going to
fund it. And I feel like, um, I am
getting a lot more questions and
pressure from residents about wanting
answers on that um, than I
as than I am about bike racks. And while
I want to deliver for my constituent on
bike racks as well and this would help
me do that. Um we also
um I would point out have about like 13
minutes left um dedicated to this
discussion and um this is our fourth
briefing on it and we're we're not we're
taking steps backwards instead of
forwards. we have to get through this
CIP so that we can vote on it. And um so
I'm not inclined to
in the in all of that context also add
more than what the project is being a is
being asked of us. So I am not going to
support that, but I do understand the
situation and I appreciate council
member Dugan raising it except that we
really don't have time. Um, so I'm gonna
give you a very very quick speech and
moment and then council member Young and
then we just need to move forward with
the straw hall.
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. And I I echo your
sentiment. I think we had opportunity.
We've we've had conversations like this
where we've raised it.
» Um, again, I have equally a request like
that in my district. Um, and we're going
through that process. And so I will not
be voting in favor of this straw poll.
Um, and again, I just want to highlight
number 25. I brought that early on to
this uh council and I'll be uh I hope to
ask a question to um John Larson and his
team as well as uh uh transportation
because that's considered even though
it's a public lands project, it's a
transportation project and we have more
information from their staff. So, that
being said, that's all I wanted to to
state on the record.
» Thank you, Council Member Young. So, I'm
wondering if there might be an
opportunity in a future meeting um from
the administration, whether in our
monthly update or whatever that looks
like, just to also get a broader
understanding about where we have
existing projects that may include the
opportunity for bike racks to be able to
present a more holistic picture. I'll
give one example. I know that we're
having a conversation around Fairmont
Park and potential improvements for that
area moving forward. Maybe there could
be like a bike rack or something like
that just to be able to kind of more
holistically address the um concerns
that Council Member Dugan was
reflecting. So, just wanted to put that
out there as a potential ask
» With the power vested in me by Jill
Love. I totally support that request.
» Thank you. Um, we'd be happy to do that.
And I think that that's a good problem
is this demand for that kind of
infrastructure.
» Thank you. Show your feelings
» On the straw.
» Yes. On the straw pole.
» The straw poll is to take money from the
the Yeah. 50,000 from Green Loop and put
it to um the um green bike. Oh, I'm
sorry. I'm a down. Okay. We have one
thumbs up. We have four thumbs down. We
have some
Dan's a thumbs up
» And oh sorry and Dan Dan is a thumbs up
and um council member Petro is a thumbs
down. So that um does not uh indicate
enough support. Um of course that's not
a final decision but let's move on.
» Thank you very much.
» Thanks.
» Um Tom Mar would like to come up briefly
and talk about
number 25.
» Okay.
» Be quick.
» Yes, I will. Um, and if there are any
other questions about any of any other
public lands applications while we're
here, be happy to answer those. Um, in
attachment seven for this agenda item,
um, one of the questions that we
answered was how we could potentially
break up the 1200 East um, the East
Central Community Council's 1200 East
median restoration proposal application.
To note that that is not the other 1200
East um, application. uh between 300
south and 500 south. Um what we had said
uh in those answers and what we said in
the application is that we had worked
with the constituent to develop kind of
two funding scenarios. One would be the
full funding of completely rebuilding
those those medians the islands for
those two blocks. uh completely
replacing the irrigation, all of the
sod, adding in other water- wise
plantings and and water saving features,
art benches, new trees, uh new median
island noses that stick out farther into
the intersection and slow down traffic.
We also developed a partial scope
funding that has fewer trees, partial
sod replacement, still the irrigation
system replacement, and uh curbing
gutter replacement. Um, I would also
like to note in last fiscal year CIP uh
council approved several hundred,000 for
irrigation uh replacements especially
and the locations we had identified were
especially in park strips, medians in
those spaces that offer that that green
space in areas that have very little
green space. Um, we could use some of
that for the roughly
um 200 or $220,000 of that partial scope
that is for irrigation and and
landscaping. We could not use it for the
curb and gutter though. And if we were
to not replace the curb and gutter, but
were to replace the irrigation system,
it's likely that that irrigation system
would just break over again. Um, so a as
I say that, um, uh, would love to ask,
um, council to to consider the
possibility of funding at least the curb
and gutter replacement of those median
islands and then the irrigation
replacement or repairs um, could at
least be partially covered by existing
funding.
» Council member Lopez, thank you for that
and I really appreciate the report. I
know that you're working diligently to
find um, available funding. That being
said, I wanted to ask, as I understand,
curb is something that the cost center
goes under transportation. Is that
correct?
» They or they oversee it.
» The So, we could replace the curb and
gutter with public lands funding.
However, if it wasn't if this project
wasn't funded, we couldn't use our
irrigation and landscaping funding to go
replace curs. But yes, those medians are
our purview and and we could uh repair
them if the funding was available.
» Okay? because I know I've highlighted
this to my colleagues. I just want to
mention they're currently dead. There's
broken irrigation. They're used as
parking lots in uh unfortunately during
University of View events and other
types of events here. That being said, I
wanted to ask if there's any other
excess funding in transportation or
related to cur curvature projects that
could be utilized so that we're not
having to absorb this dire need through
CIP this year.
I don't know if I could answer that
question,
but John's here.
» Yes,
» Council Member Puy.
» Thank you. The removal the curve uh
it's $210,000
and the um the regations is 150. What to
summarize what you requested or if we
could do something you you said to to
replace the curve and the the the
irrigation system. Is that what you were
about like contingencies or design? Do
we need to allocate more money? Could we
do these things separate?
Um, I would have to run numbers on what
the what the contingency and inflation
factor and those other soft costs would
would be, but if we just did the
replacement of the curbon gutter, the
irrigation system replacement, I would
recommend the partial sod replacement
and then those soft costs, I could
calculate that, but it would probably be
still in excess of three or $400,000.
But the total of the partial scope cost
estimate is just less than 600,000.
And then the total for the full scope uh
was a little bit more than 950,000.
» But I think your question is related to
just the curb. Is that correct? The
$200,000 that they have access that
could be utilized for irrigation.
» I mean, yeah, I'm trying to figure out.
So you also mentioned that you could
potentially pay find the funding for the
curve from other areas that are not CIP
or is that you're saying that it needs
to come from CIP?
» So I believe you say irrigation. He
could use existing irrigation funding
that was allocated by council last year
to help fund the irrigation part. We
don't have any current curb and gutter
funding in public lands that could be
allocated towards this. That's what I
was trying to say.
We'd have to look at um for the the
curbon gutter I think could be eligible
under like street reconstruction funding
um which generally the streets are
reconstructed based on on the pavement
condition and then and and then we we
look at the the street like all all the
curb gutter along that street and fix it
at the time. It's usually not driven by
the curb and gutter, but in this case,
um that's something especially if it was
direction from council, we could look at
some previous um allocated street
reconstruction or complete street
reconstruction funding um and move some
of that to uh replacing the curbon
gutter here.
» So, if I'm understanding correctly, we
could add a contingency on existing
funding to just look at the curbon
gutter. So that way we can deploy
irrigation
funds on the medians. Is that accurate?
» Um I don't know that I would word it in
that way that um because the budget has
already been adopted, the opportunity to
put a contingency on it is has passed.
So you don't have the ability to put a
contingency on existing funding. If the
administration is amendable, they can
decide to deploy existing budgeted funds
in a particular way, but the
administration would have to decide that
unless the council went in and um
altered it in a budget amendment. So, I
think a future budget amendment would be
um if unless the administration is just
willing and ready to do that project,
and I think that would be great. Um the
council could do it in a budget
amendment. I would I I guess I hesitate.
Um the only hesitation I have is making
sure that the administration does have
sufficient funds to deploy those funds
in that way and that the administration
is supportive of using those funds in
that way because those funds have
already been adopted.
» Okay. Um,
» Yeah,
» I um we can steal about 10 minutes from
another Oh,
» John, before we do that, we can steal
about 10 minutes from another discussion
item and then that's all that we have
left to Kate. Have we made it through
all of the ones that were recommended
for funding?
» There's one more. It's number 62 and
that is funding for vacant properties
for um um Fisher mansion some historic
rehabilitation and then for fleet block
pre um pre-esign I believe for the
public space. So um that's the last one.
» Okay.
Are there how many more proposals are
there to shift funds around? You have
one.
Council member Mono, do you have any?
Council member Young, Council Member
Petro,
» Thank you so much for being so go with
the flow.
» Um, okay. I also
» I I know. Hold on. I also don't have any
more. Um, Council Member Dugan, are you
going to be making any more proposals to
shift funds around?
» No, sir.
» Okay. So, I with the 10 minutes that we
have left, I I know we want to hear from
John, but I also don't know how much
discussion we're going to want to have
on this point. And this is all we've
got. So, how long is your answer?
Can it be in one sentence?
» Can we get back to you for next week?
» Thank you.
» Yeah.
» Great. Council, would you like to make a
straw poll at this time?
Well, there's there's no money. I was
looking I was looking for an answer to
see if that's something that they have
funds to deploy. It sounds like that's
something that we'd either have to talk
as a budget amendment at a later time.
» Uh that being said, since it is on the
record, I just want to recognize this is
uh eight years in the making of the CIP.
I've brought this up. Um although yes,
we're looking to replace irrigation
system, the dire need of the curb. This
is misutilized green space. Could you
imagine the green loop if it was used as
a parking lot?
» So, this is the conversation we're going
to hear from neighbors later today.
» Okay. Do you want to make a strap poll?
» No. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
» Okay. Thank you. Council member,
» Can I ask a question that goes on with
it? Are there easy going?
» Are there are there tools available to
us? Like I I love this that there might
be other ways to fund this. I'm I'm
happy with it. What I'm worried about is
that it be falls off our priority list
after the conversation. Um outside Is it
a legislative intent or is there a tool
we can employ now to make sure that I
will not think of this again because
it's not my district and we have so many
other things. I don't want to lose track
of this. This is a commitment that we
need to make to these neighbors. Um I
think we could absolutely include it as
a legislative intent um when you adopt
CIP. And I think the I mean we can
brainstorm as staff to figure out what
the most appropriate next step is. I
think in my mind I think the most
appropriate next step would be a budget
amendment just because then it's it
stands out. It stands alone as its own
project. It doesn't kind of get lost in
the departmental um you know other
priorities in the department. And I and
I wonder if between now and the next
budget amendment, we can work with the
administration to figure out, you know,
c does it need to come can can it come
from fully from within existing
department budgets and it's just
reallocating existing department budgets
or does there need to be some infusion
from like fund balance for to to make up
some difference. So, between
transportation and public lands, I think
we'll have a few follow-up conversations
to figure out like exactly what that but
it can be a council added item in the
next budget amendment. Um, and we can
adopt a legislative intent, I think, so
that we don't forget it.
» I don't want to trample you, but I'm in
support of anything that helps keep this
top of mind.
» Thank you, Council Member Puy. Go ahead.
» Thank you. I Okay, join me for the this
fun ride. I So, number 41 is Glendale
traffic calming. Uh it this is a a
project that is uh very important to
district 2. It's uh it's on California
Avenue. Uh and uh the community
organized themselves to uh for several
years on a row to study the
intersections uh of California and
Navajo with Mountain View uh elementary
um you know and Glendel Middle School uh
and all the traffic issues. There's a
lot of kids. Those are schools that are,
you know, growing and and very very
important to the to the to the community
as a whole. Uh they submitted a CIP
years ago that we funded uh to study uh
what improvements to do in these
intersections. Uh and 41 is the result
of that study. Uh it basically requests
almost half a million dollars in in in
improvements. That's a lot of money that
we are we seem not to have. Uh but phase
one uh potentially we could do this in
phase in phases and we're talking about
safety uh you know we we heard a lot
about this year different u uh public
safety uh requests and I would like to
make an argument to fund partially phase
one uh which I to my understanding is
about $200,000
uh of of phase one. Um, and I would like
to uh propose if there's a if there is
an amicable uh interest in uh in funding
it uh to to um take $76,000 from number
38 which is uh the uh phase three
phase three on the uh uh
public safety uh PV charging stations
which is the phase the last phase of it.
Uh uh and then uh
» How much?
» $76,000
which is what we were told earlier that
was the last phase of that project. So
we find still phase one and two the most
expensive parts of it. Um and then uh
take uh take $50,000
from uh number 57 which is the the Green
Loop um the Green Loop implementation um
initial commitment. Um And I that is
really where I would like to stop. It's
it's giving some tools to the to the
department to uh to see if they can
leverage some other funds. That gives
you $126,000 for um for public safety
across the school.
» How sorry, how much was it from 57?
» 50.
» Okay.
Um
discussion to this item,
» Mr. Chair.
» Yes.
» Um
council
» Member Pui, I don't know as much about
the Glendale safety project.
If we only did the 70 some odd thousand
from the electric vehicle charging, but
not the additional 50 from the green
loop. Would that be usable?
» I think that's a Jordan Larson question.
I I will say u you know I I would love
to,
you know, phase one is about 200,000.
Um, you know, I'm trying to get them as
close as possible to that. Uh, I don't
know how much on a $3 million project,
50,000
derails it or shows that we're not
committed to the the green loop. I been
very supportive of it, uh, especially on
this block. Um, and I still think that
meets all the goals a bit in the middle
um which I think it's a recipe of a good
argument but um maybe we can ask uh you
know John if he
» John can you
» So if it so that was how much 75 plus 50
» So 126 126,000 versus 76,000
» What can you do with 126,000 on
California.
» Um the the concrete speed humps or speed
cushions on wider roads are um coming in
probably around 20,000 each. Um there
are some like engineering fees and um
mobilization costs that um the
contractors charge us. So the smaller
the contract, the more those kind of
extra fees are. Um but if it was kind of
that that phase one just doing um speed
humps on on one street
then um we could probably package it
with one of one of the other um bigger
traffic calming packages that already
happening and so that would lower some
of those those overhead costs. So, um I
mean just to be safe, maybe assume
25,000 per uh per speed hump or speed
cushion.
I don't know if will that answer you
know I guess the options we have right
now is either 76,000 alone potentially
if you know if I can get some support
here or um
you know is there a better number that
you could obviously getting all the
money is certainly ideal but
» Is there a little more money that will
make a difference here uh knowing that
you're saying $25,000 is valid speed
cushion
So
potentially that gives you three but not
quite because there is engineering cost
to all of that maybe two. Um is that I
don't know if that answers
» Or can repeat. I
» I guess the reason I was asking the
question is just I think I'm more
comfortable with the first request and
given what Mr. Downtown just told us
about the green loop funding I I'm a
little more hesitant to take money away
from that request.
Um, so I think if you're calling for a
straw poll, I I feel comfortable
uh with the the electric vehicle
charging one and I need a little more
convincing on
» Mr. Chair,
» Hold on just a second. We got council
member Petro first, then council member
Dugan, then council member Pu or unless
council member Pui is answering
something directly from Darren.
» I was just going to call for a vote.
» Oh. Uh, do you, Council Member Petro, do
you want to speak to this?
» I want to speak to this. Go ahead. If
you look in the description, we have
three schools in on this road, like not
close by, like on the road. The school
has the community learning center. So,
we have pregnant moms going there to get
prenatal care. English is a second
language. It is a refuge and it is one
of the most dangerous places in the city
and one of the most underengineered. Not
for fault of the current transportation.
It's what we inherited. I I I think
you're being kind by only asking for
that money and not asking for us to go
back on the green loop to what was
suggested by the CDCIP board. This
requires a level of investment and much
like what we're committing to on the
east side over on 11th east which has
been forstalled for a long time. this
outcry has existed for a long time. So I
I commend you for being as restrained as
you are in your district and trying to
meet us. Uh I think that if you ask for
more this this issue augers that kind
this these are literally children. Plus
when you add in who goes to the library,
who goes to the CLC, the the massive
social function that that serves, it
it's without a question one of the
things we have to be investing in.
Council member Duggan. Um,
» Michael, thank you and I appreciate the
all the traffic comment discussions.
Now, how does this live uh align with
the livable streets constructions and
the zones on the on the in the area?
I can't from the map I can't determine
if this is in zone 7
or not as far as liberal streets or
zone. Yeah, zone seven.
Was
it outside zone seven?
» Looks like it might be zone 49.
» Oh, it's zone 49. Okay,
» That is an area where as council member
uh said multiple schools.
» Yeah. I I I wonder I mean my question to
uh council member Mano uh is there any
amount uh just so I can frame my uh you
know is there any amount that if I made
this number 100,000 so being 76 from the
uh electrical uh PSB building uh and we
add you know the $24,000 to make it a h
100red uh is that something that still
like feels iffy to you.
» Can you remind me which number is the
green loop funding that you're wanting
to take from
» The which one?
» The the green loop
» Green loop is 57.
» 5 Okay, let me
I'm not sure exactly how to answer your
question, but I
um
I'm hearing the arguments. I know the
traffic calming is important and I
understand that that street has three
schools. I I'm also
Um, it historically with traffic calming
requests, I've tried to go with what
we've done with data and and understand
the prioritization that was done by the
departments and and make sure that we're
funding as much of the traffic calming
money in that main livable streets line
item, which I think we have 2 million
in. Um, so I guess I'm I'm not sure
exactly where I'm landing on that, but
» I would like to suggest a straw poll uh
to move $76,000 from the uh PSB uh
number 38 to uh the um to this uh to
this line item 41. Um that is my straw
poll right now.
» Okay, we have um six thumbs up. Council
member Dugan,
» He's thumbs up. Okay. So, that is a
seven thumbs up for to reallocate 76,000
from um the um phase three of the
electrification of the polar electric
outlets, EV stations at PSB and um to
put it towards uh this project.
Any other discussion to this? Great.
because we're already over time. Good
job, everybody. We made it.
Um
» Oh, okay.
Do you have another shopple?
» No, I I think I'm going to uh I'm going
to work that one a little harder.
» Okay, thank you.
All right, great. So, um we are at
agenda item number three. Um, this is
anformational discussion on our safe
streets action plan kickoff.
Very timely after our streets safety
discussion.
Okay. So, with us, sorry, we have
Allison Roland from um the council
office. We have John Larson. We have
Jenna Simkins, uh, transportation
planner.
» Um, Allison, do you want to start us
off?
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh this plan is
focused on reaching zero traffic
fatalities and serious injuries by 2035.
The plan will be based on systemwide
approach to transportation safety and
use data to identify and prioritize
strategies for improvements. The
division has been building consensus
among stakeholders across city, county,
and state actors including UD do and the
Wasatch Front Regional Council. So two
of the biggest fish. Um, and the final
plan is anticipated in spring 2026. So,
I will leave more detail on all these
items to John Larson and Jenna Simpkins.
Okay.
» Uh, thank you for inviting us to come
and speak with you today. Um, my name is
Jenna Simpkins. I am the project manager
for the Safe Streets Action Plan. Um,
I'm going to be giving a brief overview
of why we are creating the plan, what an
action plan is, the underlying
philosophy behind it, um, and our
timeline. If you could hit next, please.
So, why are we creating this plan? Um,
in 2023, Mayor Menden Hall made a
commitment to uh, end traffic fatalities
and serious injuries in Salt Lake City
by 2035. This action plan will be our
roadmap to achieving that ambitious
goal. Um it also gives us a great
opportunity to be transparent and
accountable to the public. Uh we are
already doing good work to make streets
safer. Uh and we want to highlight the
next steps we'll be taking um towards
this ambitious goal. The action plan is
a way for us to build consensus uh among
stakeholders. Uh we've been working with
UDOT and zero fatalities program and
also the Wasatch Front Regional Council
with the comprehensive safety action
plan. um because the reality is uh the
transportation division cannot achieve
this goal alone. We need a
multid-disciplinary approach.
And then lastly, an action plan is one
of the requirements from the vision zero
network for recognition as an official
vision zero community or city. Um the
vision zero network is a national
organization that provides resources and
guidance um to cities like ours that
want to stop traffic deaths and serious
injuries. Um we've already met some of
the other requirements which include
support from elected officials. Um
setting a target date of 2035,
identifying the high injury network
which is our streets that have a
disproportionate number of um deadly or
severe crashes. Um and then of course
the vision zero task force. Next please.
So uh briefly what is an action plan?
Um, a vision zero action plan identifies
and prioritizes datadriven, short-term,
multid-disciplinary strategies to end
traffic fatalities and serious injuries.
Our plan will be focusing on the next
five years. Um, we want concrete,
measurable strategies we can implement
in the short term. In 2030, we will look
to update the plan based upon what we
learn as we work to implement it. it's
likely we'll need to pivot and adapt um
based upon what we experience as we work
to implement the plan. Next slide.
So digging more into the strategies
we're looking at um the underlying
approach is the safe system approach
that will guide our plan. Um in a
nutshell it starts with the basic
understanding that humans are imperfect.
Humans will make mistakes and so we need
a system that when someone makes a
mistake when walking, biking or driving
um it does not result in a death or
serious injury. Um so that means that we
need to shift to acknowledging that
responsibility is shared between the
system designers and the system users.
We need to be very proactive in
improving safety and we need to have
many layers of protection um to reach
this goal of stopping traffic deaths and
serious injuries. So uh the strategies
in the plan will be uh in these
organized in these five categories um
safe vehicles, safe speeds, safe roads,
postc crash care and safe road users.
Next slide please.
Here's a rough overview of our timeline.
Um, so far we've been um working on
reviewing existing plans, policies, and
programs. Um, one of the challenges with
this project is we don't want to
duplicate good work that's already
happening at within the city and with
our external partners. Um, we've also
been undertaking stakeholder interviews
to gain more information.
We've kicked off a community engagement.
There's a survey online right now that
people can take to share their thoughts
about uh what they think we should do to
make streets safer.
Um later this year we will share a draft
version of the plan. That will be the
second time the public can provide
input. The key question there will be um
what out of all the strategies we're
listing, what do you think is the most
important for us to do? What should we
do first? Basically,
um, based upon the feedback we hear, we
will update and finalize the plan over
the winter and then have a final version
of the plan in the spring. Um, we will
come back to you to present the plan for
your consideration for adoption. Um,
after that, assuming is adopted, we will
uh apply to the vision zero network for
recognition as an official Vision Zero
community.
Next slide, please.
So that was a brief overview. Um I
wanted to uh thank you know again this
is a multi-disiplinary effort uh and
we've had a lot of people helping us uh
helping the transportation division with
it. In particular I want to thank um the
city innovation team for all the work
they are doing for the safe streets
action plan. Um I want to thank the city
uh the citywide commun communications
team for their help in using shape SLC
and uh thank the steering committee for
their uh work.
Thank you.
» Thank you.
» Questions,
» Mr. Chair?
» Yes, Council Member Dugan.
» Thank you very much. And Janet, thank
you for the presentation. And John and
Jenna, thank you for the the focus on
this vision zero. Uh we can't focus, you
know, using that same word. Uh and we
need to continue to focus on this this
issue. It's probably one of the number
one issues I see in my district. I'm
always getting requests about how we
make our city streets safer for
pedestrians, bikers, drivers, all alike.
And we can't uh we don't have enough
funds for all the projects I want in
just District 6 uh because of this. And
so this is a really a great tool and I
I'm looking forward to the plan. I'm
looking forward to implementation and
and pressing on with the livable streets
program and making sure we can move as
fast as we can. uh across the board on
all these areas. So, thank you very much
for the work.
» Council member Petro,
» Generally supportive of people crossing
streets safely and cars getting where
they go. Can I please beg even if it's
just in written form? I need to
understand better maybe like a a matrix
of some sort that shows me what is
complete streets versus what is livable
streets versus what is vision zero? What
what other things am I missing? Like I I
just want to be sure I understand that
in doing and I'm doing my job well in
allocating resources.
» It's all in the depot district plan.
» It's all in the web
» The depot district plan which is not to
be confused with yeah
» We have actually been working on
» Insider council joke
sorry um John go ahead. Um
we are actually working on a on a matrix
that we are excited to share with you
soon. Um I was reviewing a draft of it
this morning um for for this and all all
the programs and um I have to admit my
goal is to get something that you would
be willing to put on the your office
wall and so no pressure but uh would
mean a lot. Um so it it just a quick
answer to um what what you said is um
the the livable streets is focused on um
local uh residential streets. Um the the
vision zero program is focused on the
streets that have um a higher incidence
of of injuries and fatalities which are
the the collectors and arterials. Um and
then um the the complete streets are
focused on um the uh
basically building out the the
pedestrian and bicycle and transit
master plans which um are are targeted
at um fleshing out a multimodal network.
» It feels like sometimes when he funds
something it funds all three of them,
sometimes it's only one of them. So it
would just help me as a reference
Mr. Chair.
» Yes. Council member Pu.
» I I'm uh certainly this is you know this
council has shown uh support to um to to
safer streets uh you know and and uh and
implementing uh with our with money uh
you know making a difference in our
communities to to make our our roads
safer for everyone. Um I um
what this plan would do as far as um
what weight of uh importance has it will
it have guiding our future uh changes or
improvements and is this going to be uh
suggested changes uh and are going to be
either in policy or infrastructure or
both? uh and the question that I'm
asking relates to uh for example
starting that with the current funding
it will take us a 100red years to go
through um paving our streets to the
level that we have identified that we
need to pay pave um and I don't I always
struggle with you know unattainable
goals um and you know setting up a goal
for ourselves that we will never uh be
able to accomplish So
what will this study give us and uh you
know are there different achievable
goals that we can actually fund uh in
the long term or short term?
» Um yeah and I I think what's so exciting
about this plan is that it really builds
upon uh kind of like what Jenna talked
about the the whole safe systems
approach. So it's not just about the
capital investment and that's really one
of the big things that we've learned by
um plugging into this national vision
zero network. Um I feel like we have the
through CIP we we've together have
created some channels by which we can um
continue to invest in in safer streets
and um that could be accelerated on
years where there's you know more more
funding to to invest there. But to
really get to where we need to go, it
truly needs to be multid-disciplinary,
not just within the city, but also um
bringing in our our our partners um you
know, and the the zero fatalities folks
over at UD do and and the the state
highway safety folks um have have been
fantastic. and then um internal to the
city. It it really is going to take
everyone um to
really work together and keep safety top
of mind as we change the culture not
just for um you know within the city
government but across the city of just
driving safely. And it's um not all of
that necessarily requires
uh funding. I mean, funding can fix a
lot of things, but a lot of it is um
really changing that culture that uh all
of us are are all in on um getting to
zero fatalities. Um and I think a lot of
people they're they're interested, they
want to help, but they don't know how.
And so this makes it so that uh every
employee in every department knows the
role that they play in getting us to
zero fatalities.
Any
other questions? Okay. Thank you.
Let's move on now to agenda item number
four, which is an ordinance amending the
administrative hearing process.
Um, we have with us Michael Sanders,
council policy analyst. Um, we also have
Arturo Garcia, director of finance
operations, and Katherine Pascer, senior
city attorney, available for questions.
Or maybe not, Katherine. Oh,
» Katherine plans to join us online.
» Okay, great.
» Okay,
» Michael, take it away.
So the administration is proposing to
consolidate the appeals process related
to license denial, revocation or
suspension as well as civil infraction
appeals. This will replace the current
small claims process for formal appeals
that is currently housed within the
justice court with a new process
outlined in code section 2.75 which
would be outside of the justice court.
Over the past years, the Justice Court
has handled an average of 30 formal
appeal cases per year. So, if an
individual wishes to contest an
administrative citation or license
denial, they may request an initial
written review by hearing officer at no
charge. If they wish to contest that,
they may request a formal appeal before
an administrative appeals officer, which
will have an $81 fee that can be
refunded if the appellant prevails. And
if the appellant wishes to further
appeal, they may do so with the district
court. Um, differences between hearing
officers, administrative appeals
officers was summarized as a table in
attachment one of the staff report. In
addition to this new process, um the
ordinance also contains other amendments
to various sections of code related to
license, namely the repeal of some
alcohol establishment enforcement
provisions, amendments to petticad
driver qualifications, and the repeal of
motor vehicle insurance requirements.
All of those were detailed on page four.
Um with that, I'll end and hand it over
to Arturo.
» Thank you, council members. Any
questions?
» Uh, it doesn't look like it.
» Michael,
» I must have heard it wrong. Did you say
a $1 fee?
» $81.
» $81 fee.
» $1. Okay.
» Thanks. That's all.
» Okay. Any other questions?
All right. You're off the hook. Thanks.
» Um, okay. Let's move to agenda item
number five which is a resolution um for
the to add the city of holiday to the
central Wasatch commission.
For
this we have uh Austin Kimmel from the
um council staff. We also have Jason
Oldroid, senior city attorney. Where'd
he go?
» Nope.
» Sorry, council chair. I can I can
» Nope. We have Mark Trail.
um who's gonna join us on this item.
Austin, take it away.
» All right, council members. Uh the
Central Was Edge Commission is a local
cooperative agency tasked with carrying
out the mountain accord charter which
lays out proposals to address
transportation, economic, environmental,
and recreation issues in the central
mountains. Salt Lake City is one of the
commission's founding four members along
with Salt Lake County, Cottonwood
Heights, and Sandy City. Since then, the
commission has grown to a nine
jurisdiction commission. The proposal
before you today would add the city of
Holiday as a new member of that
commission. Under the terms of the local
of the interlocal agreement, additional
members may be added by a majority vote
of all commissioners plus a vote by the
legislative bodies of each member, which
is the matter before you today. Holiday
has already been provisionally approved
as a new member. action must be taken by
the end of the month. So, we've
tenatively scheduled this item for a
vote at the August 19th formal meeting
and happy to take any questions. And
Mark, did you have anything to add?
» I didn't, Austin. Thank you. That was
good. Um, background.
» All right. Excuse me.
Okay. Thank you. Um,
lost my wig for my microphone here. And
anyone have questions on this?
Okay. Doesn't look like it.
» Okay. Thanks.
» All right. Thank you.
» All right. We are on to agenda item
number six. We we really skipped ahead
in terms of making up time. Didn't think
that would happen. Um do we do we have
the um do we have Heidi Adler available?
Alder, I mean,
» I'm guessing not.
» I'm checking online really quick. I'm
not seeing
» Heidi,
» Mr. Chair, will you move?
» Council member Pui,
» Would you like to Would it be possible
to move uh ahead on on item number
seven?
» Um, number seven's a written briefing,
actually.
» Oh,
» So that's Oh, yes, you're right.
» Yeah. So, I think we can actually just I
mean we can go back and talk about CIP
some more if you want. Okay. Um or we
can um just saunter until
» Okay.
» Until um Miss Alder is available.
» Saunter it in.
» Yeah. Okay. So, we're going to do that.
Um just uh don't go too far, please.
Okay.
» How long?
uh until she come until she shows up.
» And it looks like she'll be joining
online. So, we'll be watching for her to
join online.
» Okay, great. Thank you.
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um board appointment available. Um so
Heidi, can you hear me out there?
» Yes. Can you hear me? Okay.
» Yes, we can hear you.
We just can't see you.
» Oh. Oh,
» We can. There you are.
» Okay,
» There I am.
» We can see you. I just had something
blocking my screen. Um, okay. So, this
is your opportunity to tell us a little
bit about yourself and why you are
interested in serving um as a
disciplinary appeals hearing officer for
Salt Lake City. Um, so you can talk
about your background and um, what you
uh, hope to bring to this position. Um,
and then we'll let you know if we have
any questions.
» Go ahead.
» Um, hi everyone. My name is Heidi Alder.
I am an attorney. I've been practicing
since 2005. So when I graduated from law
school, um, I bounced back and forth a
little bit between um, law and my my
first profession. Before I went to law
school, I was a teacher in the
classroom. Um, and in after about three
years at a law firm, I ended up leaving
the law firm and going back to teaching
because I felt a lot more fulfilled in a
classroom than as an associate at a law
firm. But I also at that same time
contracted with the state board of
education to be a hearing officer, same
uh similar capacity for disciplinary
matters with regard to educators
licenses. So it was a a rotating basis.
I was called when needed and I would
hear evidence and write decisions along
with a panel of the Utah Professional
Practices Advisory Commission. That's an
11 member body. And every time there was
a hearing, three members of that panel
would be the the judges, so to speak.
And I would administer the hearing as a
hearing officer. So I would administer
the hearing and write up a report. I did
that for several years, about three
years until the state board of education
actually had an opening when I I went
over to the state board, left my job as
a teacher, second second time as a
teacher back to uh work in the in law. I
was an investigator with the state board
of education, their professional
practices advisory commission, and I
also did work and and provided training
in the legal department over there. So I
did a lot of trainings on um a whole
host of issues related to education law
specifically but I did a lot of uh
training about boundaries and about
ethics and about um educator uh code of
conduct.
I was in that position until 2014
when I left the state board of
education. I went into uh semi-private
practice uh semi employment with Weber
School District. And ever since then,
for the past 11 years, I've been
part-time with Weber School District as
their legal counsel and then part-time
working privately with school districts
across the state. I work with districts
to help advise them on um a whole host
of legal issues related to schools, but
um human resources is a big aspect of
that. And I also contract with districts
as a hearing officer when school
districts have employment terminations.
So I have acted as a hearing officer in
the educator licensing capacity and in
public education employment capacity.
And in the background of all that, I've
spent time advising and consulting with
primarily school districts and charter
schools. um although I've taken on a few
other clients about all things related
to education law. So that that's my
background.
» Thank you. Um council members, any
questions?
Oh c I didn't know if you were just
giving me a thumbs up or if you had a
question. Council member Young.
» Heidi, thank you so much. I have to say,
not only do I love your background, um,
coming from K12 education as well, but I
think that it's so relevant to the
conversations that we have here at the
city. Um, so we're talking about public
employees. We're talking about
individuals who in many ways are
responsible for the care and um,
consideration of public resources and
public benefits. um but also wanting to
have a high standard for the individuals
who are serving and representing our
city. So, I'm super excited to have you
um and bless you for the continued work
that you do in K12. I know that it
continues to be um quite the ever
evolving landscape and we'll be excited
to have that expertise helping us here
in Salt Lake.
» Thank you.
» Okay, any other questions?
All right, I think that's it. Thank you
so much, Heidi, for uh being here today
and answering our questions. And um
thank you for your willingness to serve
Salt Lake City.
» Of course. Thank you so much for having
me.
» Thank you.
» I'll log off now.
» Okay. Thanks.
» Bye-bye.
» Um council members, um
that uh brings us to our reports of the
chair and vice chair. I don't have any.
Do you?
» I don't have any.
» Okay.
um and executive director. Okay, no
announcements. And then um so yeah, then
the last thing is a tenative close
session. Um I um food is here, right?
So, um
we can once we vote on this, um if
you'll go and get your food and then go
down to the canon room for our close
session and then um following the close
session um we will be adjourned um until
our formal meeting at 7. So, go ahead.
Um
» Mr. Yes.
» I move that we enter close session for a
strategy strate strategy session to
discuss the purchase, exchange, lease,
or sale of real property and to receive
attorney to discuss attorney client
matters.
» Second. I have a motion from council
member Mono and a second from council
member Lopez Chavez. Any discussion?
Seeing none, we'll go ahead and roll
call it. Council member Petro,
» Yes.
» Pui,
» Yes.
» Mono,
» Yes.
» Lope Chavez,
» Hi.
» Dugan,
» Yes. Young
» I
» And I am a yes as well. That passes
unanimously. We'll be in close session
and we will adjourn after that and
reconvene at 7 for our formal meeting.
Thank you.
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