[4:01] We'll go ahead and begin. I welcome each
[4:03] and every one of you to this afternoon's
[4:05] meeting or early evening meeting, the
[4:07] 16th meeting of the year uh for 2026 of
[4:10] the city board of directors. We'll begin
[4:12] with invocation by Father Mark Neighbors
[4:14] with St. Luke's Episcopal Church. And
[4:16] I'll lead the pledge. All rise.
[4:21] Let us pray.
[4:27] Almighty God, our heavenly father, send
[4:28] down upon those who hold office in this
[4:31] community the spirit of wisdom, charity,
[4:34] and justice that with steadfast purpose
[4:37] they may faithfully serve in their
[4:39] offices to promote the well-being of all
[4:42] people through Jesus Christ our Lord.
[4:45] Amen.
[4:46] >> Amen. Please join me in the pledge. I
[4:50] >> aliance to the flag of the United States
[4:52] of America and to the republic for which
[4:55] it stands. One nation under God,
[4:59] indivisible, with liberty and justice
[5:01] for all.
[5:08] » We'll now call this meeting to order.
[5:10] Please call the role. Director Aaron
[5:12] Holidayiday,
[5:15] » Director Phyllis Beard,
[5:17] >> present.
[5:17] >> Director Marcia Dob Smith,
[5:19] >> present.
[5:20] >> Director Dudley Webb,
[5:22] >> here.
[5:22] >> Director Karen Garcia,
[5:24] >> here.
[5:24] >> Director Steve Trusty
[5:26] >> here.
[5:26] >> Mayor Pat McCabe
[5:27] >> here. At this time, we'll consider
[5:29] approval of the agenda. Are there any
[5:31] additions, deletions to the agenda or
[5:33] items on the consent agenda to be moved
[5:35] to new business?
[5:37] >> Director Webb.
[5:38] >> Yeah, thank you, Mayor. Um
[5:40] B, I want to give you a question before
[5:44] making any type of potential motion. Um
[5:47] item four, R-26-139.
[5:50] This is the
[5:52] um resolution to consider setting the
[5:55] time and date of a public hearing on the
[5:57] multi-purpose improvement district.
[5:59] >> Yes, sir. if is there are some residents
[6:03] in my district who have questions on
[6:05] this and I know the purpose of it being
[6:08] on our agenda this evening is to
[6:12] consider setting a time for a hearing
[6:15] but would there be anyone here available
[6:18] including yourself to answer a few of
[6:20] the questions that I have before the
[6:21] hearing so that I can uh be better
[6:24] prepared to provide details to those
[6:26] with questions
[6:29] >> okay that's the case, then would a a
[6:32] move to new business be appropriate for
[6:35] this evening?
[6:36] >> Um, you're you're at liberty to move it
[6:38] to new business if you'd like, but
[6:39] there's no action to be taken tonight
[6:41] other than setting the date and time,
[6:42] which is required by the statute,
[6:45] >> right? Uh, I want to make that motion to
[6:48] move it to new business.
[6:52] » Well, we we could just we don't have to
[6:54] have a motion. We just move it, can't
[6:55] we?
[6:55] >> You'd like, mayor,
[6:56] >> we'll just move it to the first item on
[6:58] new business. Thank you.
[7:02] » Okay. So, we have a item moved to uh to from a
[7:09] consent agenda to new business. That was
[7:11] resolution R-26-139.
[7:15] So, motion to approve the agenda as
[7:18] modified. Director Garcia.
[7:20] >> So, move to approve as amended.
[7:23] >> Thank you. Seconded by
[7:25] >> second.
[7:25] by Director Do Smith. All in
[7:28] favor signify by saying I.
[7:30] >> I.
[7:30] oppose. Same sign. Agenda is adopted.
[7:35] This time we'll consider approval of the
[7:37] minutes of the regularly held meeting on
[7:39] August 4th, 2026. Are there additions,
[7:42] deletions, or corrections to the minutes
[7:43] as presented?
[7:46] >> Hearing none, I'll entertain a motion to
[7:48] approve.
[7:48] >> So move.
[7:50] >> Got a motion by Director Web, seconded
[7:51] by second.
[7:52] >> Director Do Smith. All in favor signify
[7:54] by saying I. I.
[7:56] >> Post same sign.
[7:58] Minutes are adopted.
[8:00] Our recognition of guests, we have Mr.
[8:02] Cole McKascal, interim president and CEO
[8:04] of Greater Hot Springs Chamber of
[8:05] Commerce and Metro Partnership. Uh Cole
[8:07] will deliver the economic development
[8:09] report. Welcome.
[8:12] >> Thank you very much, mayor, directors.
[8:13] Good to see you. Um real quick, I wanted
[8:16] to make a a special presentation.
[8:20] As [clears throat] you know, um the
[8:21] Metro Partnership has investors in our
[8:24] organization. Um, and every now and then
[8:27] we like to give a little something back
[8:28] to show our appreciation. And so this
[8:31] summer we've been going around and and
[8:33] giving uh a little something to that
[8:36] people can display at their place of
[8:37] business. Uh, and the city of Hot
[8:40] Springs is our largest investor and
[8:42] qualifies for our largest uh investor
[8:44] level. And last week I came over and
[8:46] presented this to the mayor and the city
[8:48] manager uh and and they thought it'd be
[8:50] nice if everyone saw that. So, we are
[8:53] deeply appreciative of your investment
[8:55] in economic development for our for our
[8:57] area. Thank you very much.
[8:59] >> Thank you.
[8:59] >> I'm going to leave this in Lance's poss
[9:02] possession.
[9:11] » So, it's uh it's only been three weeks
[9:13] since my last report here, but I do have
[9:15] a few updates for you. Um, as you know,
[9:17] we've been updating you on uh new
[9:19] business leads coming from the state
[9:21] economic development agency. Uh, I'm
[9:23] proud to say we are now up to five new
[9:25] manufacturing leads uh totaling a
[9:28] potential new job creation numbers
[9:30] around 925 new jobs, $450 million in
[9:34] investment. Of course, these are very
[9:36] competitive projects that are looking at
[9:38] most communities in Arkansas and
[9:40] probably other communities in the
[9:41] greater region. But we are in the game
[9:43] and competing for those, putting our
[9:45] best foot forward the best we can. Um,
[9:48] since we last met, uh, we did open a new
[9:50] expansion project with a local
[9:52] manufacturer that's that's needing to
[9:54] create over 50 new high-paying jobs in
[9:56] our community. U, they just need some
[9:58] help working through some logistics and
[10:00] some real estate issues, uh, which we
[10:02] are helping them with. That brings us up
[10:03] to a total of 15 open job creation
[10:06] projects, uh, that we're working right
[10:08] now. Uh next week we're hosting a site
[10:11] visit from an out ofstate economic uh
[10:14] development prospect. This will be their
[10:16] third visit um to Hot Springs. So things
[10:18] are getting pretty serious. Uh the city
[10:21] manager has been involved in some of
[10:22] those discussions. Um July 31st was a
[10:27] deadline to to nominate new opportunity
[10:29] zones. So the federal government
[10:31] reauthorized opportunity zone program
[10:33] for opportunity zone 2.0 is what they're
[10:35] calling it for the next 10 years. and
[10:37] states had um are able to nominate new
[10:40] opportunity zones in their areas. Uh and
[10:43] so when this news came out, uh the city
[10:45] and the county and the metro
[10:46] partnership, the planning development
[10:48] district, Visit Hot Springs, we all got
[10:49] together to discuss um strategy here and I'm proud to say we put our best
[10:54] foot forward in trying to get as many
[10:56] opportunity zones in Hot Springs as we
[10:58] possibly can. Um the governor has the
[11:00] ultimate decision on where to nominate
[11:03] opportunity zones. Um and we've got a
[11:05] real great advocacy effort um going
[11:07] right now. The deadline to officially
[11:09] nominate to the governor was July 31st.
[11:12] We got some real strong nominations in
[11:14] and we should hear more from the
[11:15] governor's office um within the next few
[11:18] months. Um we hosted the Windows USA
[11:21] ribbon cutting at their new facility.
[11:23] That has been uh much discussion of this
[11:24] group. Uh and so wonderful uh that we
[11:27] could host that. Just a great story for
[11:29] Hot Springs. Um, in business retention
[11:32] and expansion, I'm proud to say it's
[11:33] been a major focus for our organization
[11:35] this summer, especially with Gary
[11:37] Jackson, since workforce development is
[11:39] slower when the schools are out. Um, we
[11:41] are now up to 74 business retention and
[11:44] expansion visits year to date. Um, and
[11:46] so that concludes my report. Happy to
[11:48] answer any questions.
[11:50] >> Any questions of call? Director Garcia.
[11:53] >> Thank you, Mayor. in the uh five leads
[11:56] of manufacturing,
[11:58] how important is the uh water supply to
[12:03] what they're looking at?
[12:04] >> I would say three of the five uh real
[12:07] high water capacity was very very
[12:09] important and of course with all of them
[12:11] having access to water is extremely
[12:13] important.
[12:15] >> Thank you.
[12:15] >> Yes, ma'am.
[12:16] >> Director Trustee. Thank you, Mayor Cole.
[12:19] Um the opportunity zones that we have
[12:21] now, do they expire at the end of the
[12:23] year?
[12:23] >> They certainly do. So there's no
[12:25] guarantee that those even those will be
[12:28] renewed.
[12:28] >> That is correct.
[12:29] >> We nominated or submitted
[12:33] how many did we submit?
[12:35] >> We had three for the last 10 years. Uh
[12:38] and we submitted four this time.
[12:41] >> Great. Thank you.
[12:42] >> Yes, sir.
[12:43] >> Director Web.
[12:44] >> Thank you, Mayor Cole. Out of the four
[12:46] that were resubmitted, are are three of
[12:49] those, excuse me, out of the four that
[12:50] were submitted, are three of those to
[12:52] continue the three that are currently in
[12:53] place or they new?
[12:54] >> Um, they're a little bit different area.
[12:56] Okay.
[12:58] >> Thank you.
[13:00] Any further questions of Cole?
[13:04] Hearing none. Thank you.
[13:06] >> Thank you.
[13:07] >> This time we'll hear from our city
[13:09] manager, Mr. Bill Burrow.
[13:10] >> Uh, thank you, mayor, members of the
[13:12] board. Uh, want to start off welcoming
[13:14] several new employees to the city of Hot
[13:16] Springs. Daniel Malsh in our planning
[13:18] and development as a permit clerk.
[13:20] Marcus Reed is a 911 operator in our
[13:23] police department. Lucas Roads, a
[13:26] records clerk in our police department.
[13:28] Steven Barber coming in with solid waste
[13:31] as a commercial helper driver. Uh,
[13:33] several utilities employees, Howard
[13:35] Carter and water distribution. Mark
[13:38] Richard, Zachary Wood, and sewer list
[13:40] station technicians Hagen Tyler and our
[13:43] utility billing AMI tech. We also had
[13:46] several promotions uh since our last
[13:48] meeting. Alexander Lee promoted to Hot
[13:51] Springs Police Department officer first
[13:53] class. Uh Aaron Combmes was promoted to
[13:56] corporal. Matthew Cham was uh promoted
[13:59] to sergeant. And Eddie Fleming over in
[14:02] animal services was promoted to animal
[14:04] services supervisor.
[14:06] Eric Vice as our senior tractor trailer
[14:09] driver in solid waste. A couple others
[14:11] in uh Lance Graves uh moving into a
[14:15] supervisory role in our weld shop. A lot
[14:17] of steel in in that particular
[14:19] department. So that's a a really big uh
[14:21] task, but congratulate Lance on being
[14:24] able to move into that role. Joshua
[14:27] House promoted to street division crew
[14:29] leader and then Tyler Gwyn was uh
[14:32] promoted to a truck driver in the street
[14:34] division. Also want to recognize uh
[14:37] Sergeant Chris Atkins and the Hot
[14:39] Springs Police Department. August 31st
[14:41] will be his last day with us with 28
[14:44] years of service serving the uh
[14:47] citizens, residents, visitors of the
[14:49] city of Hot Springs. Just a a really
[14:52] great great guy, great officer, going to
[14:55] be sorely missed. Uh 28 years of uh
[14:58] strong dedication. So we we wish uh
[15:01] Sergeant Atkins well in his uh in his
[15:03] future endeavors.
[15:06] Water's been a big topic with the heat
[15:08] that we've been under for the last
[15:09] couple of weeks. Uh I don't know if
[15:11] you've seen in the news, we've got
[15:13] several cities throughout Arkansas that
[15:15] are either in strict conservation,
[15:18] uh volunteer conservation,
[15:21] uh watering. If your address is an even
[15:24] number, you water on an even day. If
[15:26] it's odd, you water on an odd day. And
[15:28] then there's others that just got a
[15:29] complete moratorum on on lawn watering
[15:32] or vehicle washes, any of that. Um, I
[15:36] can tell you that as of July 31st, had
[15:40] we not had this new plant, we would have
[15:42] been back where we were in 2012 where we
[15:45] would see tanks falling quicker than we
[15:47] can fill them up. Um, we have no uh
[15:50] volunteer or mandatory conservation.
[15:53] We're in very good shape with both of
[15:56] these plants and supplying water. But
[15:59] had we not had it, you know, and we
[16:01] [clears throat] said this several times
[16:02] moving through that, the only thing
[16:04] different today than 2012 is we have a
[16:07] lot more users on the system and better
[16:09] weather and you just can't depend on
[16:11] weather on whether you can provide water
[16:13] um on a peak day to your to your
[16:15] customers, to your residents. So, want
[16:17] to point that out. Um that goes back to this board and your prior board just
[16:22] having the wherewithal to uh to build
[16:25] this new plant and it is paying off. We
[16:27] see it today and we'll see it for years
[16:29] to come.
[16:31] We've had the cooling shelter open at
[16:33] the community resource center. Um this
[16:35] past weekend they had several uh that
[16:38] were partaking in that. it. Of course,
[16:40] it's open from 8:00 to 5:00 Monday
[16:42] through Friday, but on these hot
[16:44] weekends, if it's going to be over a
[16:45] hundred, we're going to have it open on
[16:47] the weekends as well. I know Saturday,
[16:50] this past Saturday, they had 47 check in
[16:53] for for the cooling shelter. Um, had
[16:56] another 16 join right around lunch. So,
[16:58] had 63 there for Saturday. Uh, they're
[17:01] able to to take a shower, wash closed,
[17:04] have lunch. uh coming back on August the
[17:07] 16th. They had another 48 uh that were
[17:10] there and and were able to take part in
[17:12] the hygiene facilities there at the
[17:13] community resource center as well. Um it
[17:16] will be open this coming weekend, August
[17:19] 22nd and 23rd, uh from 10:00 a.m. to 400
[17:22] p.m. They usually kind of migrate from
[17:25] there uh over to the Salvation Army um
[17:27] during the weekends for dinner there at
[17:29] 4. Uh so real real happy with the work
[17:33] that Chris and and everybody at the
[17:35] community resource center is doing. I
[17:37] get com I don't have a week go by that I
[17:39] don't get a comment about that facility.
[17:41] So still doing great work there.
[17:45] Uh baseball camp or basketball camp. Hot
[17:48] Springs Park and Recck Department is
[17:49] partnering with the Memphis Grizzlies
[17:51] and National Park College to host a free
[17:55] junior grizzly basketball clinic for
[17:57] kids ages 6 to 14. That's going to be
[18:00] Sunday, September 6 from 10 to 11. And
[18:02] it's going to be out at National Park in
[18:05] uh what do they call that out there? The
[18:06] kettle.
[18:07] >> The kettle.
[18:07] So, if you're interested uh
[18:11] you can get in contact with uh with the
[18:14] college and get your uh son, daughter,
[18:19] grandchild signed up for for a free
[18:21] basketball camp. Kicking the stigma is
[18:24] something coming out of the police
[18:25] department. uh come out and support the
[18:27] Hot Springs PD and various teams as they
[18:29] go head-to-head in the sixth annual
[18:31] Kicking the Stigma kickball tournament.
[18:34] It's law enfor law enforcement and first
[18:37] responders versus recovery uh on
[18:39] Saturday, August the 29th. Games start
[18:41] at 9:00 at Majestic Park at 105 West
[18:44] Building. Uh Chief, hopefully you guys
[18:46] are going to bring in a win there.
[18:49] >> Bringing in a lot of water, sir.
[18:51] [laughter]
[18:53] >> Uh we do have a burn ban in effect. Um,
[18:55] this ban is based on the potential fire
[18:57] hazard associated with just low fuel
[19:00] moisture levels, dry conditions, and
[19:02] little to no precipitation. Uh, it
[19:05] prohibits all controlled burning within
[19:06] the city limits. All burn permits issued
[19:09] prior to the burn ban have been
[19:11] rescended. They can be reissued and
[19:13] extended when the ban lifts. Uh, the
[19:15] burn ban will be in effect as long as
[19:17] these conditions are present. Uh we will
[19:20] put information out if the chief uh
[19:22] calls for a discontinuation of the burn
[19:25] ban, but we're going to have to have
[19:26] quite a bit of quite a bit of rain to
[19:28] get to that point.
[19:30] >> Speaking of the fire department, we've
[19:32] uh added two new apparatus to the fleet.
[19:36] U very happy to report that we have
[19:39] received our new ladder truck. It's been
[19:41] delivered currently housed at the
[19:43] central station on Broadway. Um I'm not
[19:45] sure if it'll stay there, if it'll make
[19:47] its way out to station six. Uh but that
[19:50] is a $2.3 million apparatus
[19:55] and those don't come around just every
[19:57] day. Um as you know, we had several of
[19:59] these on our unfunded uh capital
[20:01] projects list and glad to see a couple
[20:04] of these coming in. Uh in addition to
[20:06] this, we've got a new pumper truck for
[20:08] our Park Avenue station. Pumper trucks
[20:10] about 800,000. So, uh, glad we've
[20:13] received those two pieces of equipment.
[20:14] Our fleet director, Grace Bees, is in
[20:16] the audience tonight. I know that, uh,
[20:18] you've had to check those out pretty
[20:19] well and get them out there in service.
[20:21] So, appreciate your work as well. Uh,
[20:23] Hot Springs Parks and Recck in the early
[20:25] stages of creating a little over,300
[20:29] square foot outdoor batting cage
[20:31] facility at Kimry Park. Uh, we've heard
[20:33] that for for several years that they
[20:35] wish they had a batting cage there. So,
[20:38] it's a live arm full four full four
[20:40] multi-lane amenity. Will be a first
[20:42] come, first- serve basis, but it'll
[20:44] provide a safe net enclosed space for
[20:46] individuals and teams of all ages to
[20:48] practice hitting. So, glad to get that
[20:50] up. Hopefully before now and the end of
[20:52] the year, we'll have that built in and
[20:54] in play. With that, mayor, I'll be glad
[20:56] to answer any questions.
[20:57] >> Very good. Any questions of our city
[20:59] manager?
[21:01] hearing. Now, we'll move on to
[21:04] [clears throat]
[21:04] board of directors announcements of
[21:06] upcoming events. Director Garcia.
[21:09] >> Thank you, Mayor. I would like to uh
[21:11] announced that uh food for thought,
[21:14] their monthly uh food and resource
[21:17] distribution will be scheduled uh the
[21:21] this Saturday, the 22nd, from 10:00 a.m.
[21:25] to 12:00 p.m. at 3:24
[21:28] Malvin Avenue. This is hosted by the
[21:32] giving team to help individuals and
[21:35] families in need throughout the hot
[21:38] springs community. They hold this every
[21:41] fourth Friday at 324 Malvin. And the
[21:45] event provides free food,
[21:49] clothing, personal care items, and
[21:52] social services resources and
[21:55] connections
[21:57] to additional resources.
[22:00] And uh this is critical for our
[22:02] community. Many in our community are uh
[22:07] experiencing
[22:09] u great needs. Yesterday I u volunteered
[22:13] at the community resource center and I
[22:16] witnessed uh donations. Uh the Elks
[22:20] Lodge came in with donations of toilet
[22:22] paper, water, Gatorade, single uh uh
[22:28] items of snacks and fruit. And uh we
[22:35] prepared and served 155 meals yesterday.
[22:39] And a lot of these are veterans. There
[22:42] were families with children. It's a big
[22:45] need in our community. And I'm so
[22:48] thankful we have the community resource
[22:51] center because it's providing a big
[22:55] need in our community and the food for
[22:59] thought Saturday with a resource of food
[23:03] and distribution also is part of our
[23:08] overall
[23:10] community appreciation to help all in
[23:14] our community.
[23:16] Thank you.
[23:16] >> Very good. Director Web.
[23:18] >> Thank you, Mayor. Um, same day this
[23:21] Saturday for those that attend Food for
[23:24] Thought, even if you don't, uh,
[23:28] that later that afternoon at 4:00 p.m.
[23:30] to 7:00 p.m., you should stop by the
[23:33] 12th annual Hot Springs Community
[23:36] Resource Fair. Uh, this is held at the
[23:40] historic farmers market, which is
[23:43] located at 121 Orange Street. And the
[23:46] 12th annual Hot Springs Community
[23:48] Resource Fair this year will be held in
[23:49] conjunction with the Beerbra Coleman
[23:53] back to school bash and Samaritan's Feet
[23:56] Ministry shoe giveaway providing an
[23:59] afternoon filled with free community
[24:01] resources, school supplies, shoes,
[24:03] refreshments, and familyfriendly
[24:05] activities. So, there's two great events
[24:09] to do this weekend. one that morning,
[24:11] the food for thought 10 to 12 and then
[24:14] one in the afternoon 4 to 7, both taking
[24:17] place this Saturday right here in Hot
[24:19] Springs, Arkansas. [clears throat] Thank
[24:21] you, Mayor.
[24:22] >> Director Trusty.
[24:23] >> Thank you, Mayor. Uh just a reminder
[24:25] about the Hot Springs Chamber bingo
[24:27] night. That'll be next Thursday, the
[24:29] 27th, at 6 PM at the Convention Center,
[24:33] uh just across the street from here. Uh
[24:36] Thursday, August 27th at the convention
[24:38] center, hall D and E for an evening of
[24:41] cash prizes, fun and friendly
[24:42] competition. Doors open at 5:00. The
[24:45] games begin at 6. Tickets are $25 in
[24:49] advance. That includes all 20 games, or
[24:52] if you wait and buy a ticket at the
[24:54] door, if any are available, that will be
[24:55] $30 at the door. Every game pays a cash
[24:59] prize. The final game is worth $1,000.
[25:02] You'll also have the chance to win even
[25:04] more by entering the 5050 cash raffle.
[25:08] Says, "Please bring cash for bingo cards
[25:10] and raffle tickets, but credit cards
[25:12] will be accepted for concessions and
[25:15] refreshments only. You can contact the
[25:18] chamber to reserve your tickets at
[25:20] 321700
[25:22] and that's a week from Thursday night at
[25:24] six o'clock."
[25:26] >> Very good. Any other uh director Bob
[25:29] Smith?
[25:29] >> Yes. Well, this one combines fun and um
[25:33] for a cause. Join the friends of the
[25:35] national park in the celebration of
[25:37] Bakas, the Roman god of wine and the
[25:40] arts by raising your glass to help raise
[25:42] the glass for the Maurice. If you know
[25:44] the the last bath house that hasn't been
[25:47] restored is the Maurice. It had a
[25:48] beautiful roytoft um stained glass
[25:53] windows that would are up in the top and
[25:55] they've been lost, broken, damaged
[25:57] [clears throat] and and this is to uh
[26:00] help restore those. You can um the
[26:02] evening includes curated wines, upscale
[26:05] bites. It has uh food from the secret
[26:08] handshake, JNS hospitality, 501 prime,
[26:12] and the vault. So, it's some upscale
[26:14] food and you get to vote for the
[26:16] celebrity that wears the best toa and
[26:18] there is a sexy leg contest that's going
[26:21] to be there with with local celebrities
[26:23] to be unnamed. I don't know if I know
[26:25] any of those. Uh that's going to be this
[26:27] Thursday, the 20th um at the 315 Park
[26:32] Avenue. The tickets are $75 and you can
[26:35] uh reach out to Roxan Butterfield at
[26:37] give.com
[26:39] for those tickets. Sounds like a fun
[26:40] time and it's only two days away. Wow.
[26:44] >> Evenings.
[26:44] >> Any other uh comments?
[26:48] I want to follow up a little bit on
[26:50] Director Garcia's comments about the
[26:52] community resource center and the meals
[26:54] that they they produce. Rotary Club, Hot
[26:57] Springs National Park Rotary Club uh had
[27:00] a meeting there about a month ago and we
[27:02] ate alongside all those others that were
[27:05] there for for food. And uh I had an
[27:09] occasion to talk with Chris the other
[27:11] day. who's here today in the audience
[27:14] and asked him how much he's spending on
[27:16] food. He says, "Pat, everybody's been
[27:18] donating food." He says, "We don't we
[27:20] spend very little on food and they reach
[27:23] out and you'll see uh Sally Carter or
[27:25] others reach out on Facebook what what
[27:28] their needs are." And there's really the
[27:31] reason I'm saying this is there's no no
[27:34] contribution is is too small. uh our
[27:38] place at my wife and I's place of
[27:39] business, Hotel Hail, we changed our
[27:41] hamburger buns. So, we had a few
[27:43] hamburger buns left over, just shy of
[27:45] four dozen. So, I brought them by last
[27:48] Thursday, last Wednesday before I went
[27:51] to Rotary. And and the staff there is
[27:54] really most appreciative of of all those
[27:56] type of gifts. So, to the degree that took care of 40 burgers, you know,
[28:02] that week or the next week. And so if
[28:05] you do have a extra coin and you're
[28:08] going to your Sam's or Walmart or
[28:10] Kroger's, if you just buy, if there's a
[28:13] bargain bid bay basket, grab something
[28:16] and bring it by. It's easy in and out is
[28:19] about the easiest in and out that you
[28:21] can probably hope for. So [snorts]
[28:23] continue to support the community
[28:25] resource center. And thank you. There's
[28:28] no other items of uh Oh, wait. We got
[28:31] upcoming events here. We got uh going
[28:35] out a couple months. Uh election day is
[28:37] Tuesday, November 3rd. We meet on the
[28:40] first Tuesday of every month. So, we
[28:42] probably don't want to necessarily meet
[28:44] on that day. Uh move it up to uh Monday
[28:48] the the 2nd possibly or as Bill and I
[28:52] have talked, you know, if we don't have
[28:54] much on the business-wise, we could
[28:57] forego it, but we just want to
[29:00] contentively have it for Monday. the
[29:02] first or excuse me, Monday the 2nd or or
[29:06] really try to forego it. Any thoughts?
[29:09] >> Forgo.
[29:10] >> Pardon?
[29:11] >> Forgo.
[29:14] it. Okay. Well, if we have to have
[29:18] a a special call meeting or so, we can
[29:21] do that. If we can find a date, certain,
[29:23] but we could do it the next week if we
[29:26] needed to at the agenda meeting.
[29:29] Okay. Is that okay, Bill?
[29:31] >> Yeah.
[29:31] >> All right. We'll get it out to staff
[29:33] that uh if they've got anything, we'll
[29:35] try to get it on the meeting before or
[29:36] the meeting after and keep that one keep
[29:39] anything off that particular day.
[29:40] >> Yeah, we get a little jumpy because
[29:42] there's only so many we've only got four
[29:45] meetings left the year and we're giving
[29:46] one away. [clears throat] So, uh we got we may end up having to have a
[29:50] special meeting. Okay. Uh moving on to
[29:54] the consent agenda. These are of a
[29:56] routine nature. They do not merit
[29:58] individual discussion. So I entertain a
[29:59] motion, a second to approve the agenda,
[30:02] >> the consent agenda as represented
[30:04] director Garcia, seconded by director
[30:06] trustee. All in favor signify by saying
[30:08] I.
[30:08] >> I.
[30:08] Post same sign. Consent agenda is
[30:11] adopted. Now we had one item that was on
[30:14] the consent agenda. We move to the first
[30:15] item on new business and that's uh was
[30:18] item 4 R-26-139.
[30:21] I entertain a motion a second
[30:23] >> to uh I think I'm sorry. You got to read
[30:26] this. Will you please read? Yeah. So,
[30:28] this is resolution R-26-139,
[30:31] a resolution setting the time and date
[30:32] of a public hearing on the petition to
[30:34] establish a hot springs municipal
[30:36] property owners multi-purpose
[30:38] improvement district number 26-75 of
[30:41] Garland County, Arkansas, Cali Ridge,
[30:42] estate subdivision. We'll need a motion
[30:44] and second to adopt and then we can have
[30:47] the discussion.
[30:47] >> Motion to adopt. So, move
[30:49] >> second.
[30:50] >> Director Trustee seconded by Director
[30:53] Web. And I guess you can provide the
[30:55] staff report.
[30:56] >> Yes, mayor. I'll I'll I'll set the table
[30:58] for this. You may end up having more
[31:00] questions from Mr. Perry Young who's
[31:01] here as well. Arkansas code annotated
[31:04] section 14-94-101
[31:06] at seek establishes the uh procedure by
[31:09] which an improvement district may be
[31:11] formed. Uh this particular improvement
[31:13] district is coming to you by virtue of a
[31:16] petition that was filed uh and signed by
[31:19] all of the uh uh you you have to have
[31:21] unanimous property owner uh
[31:23] participation in this. This particular
[31:25] parcel is owned by by one individual
[31:28] owner, an LLC. Uh so that is the
[31:31] signature that appears on the petition.
[31:33] That petition uh was received by the
[31:35] city clerk on July 28th of 2026.
[31:39] Uh pursuant to Arkansas code annotated
[31:41] section 19-94-106.
[31:44] Upon the filing of that petition, a date
[31:47] and time of not more than 60 days, not
[31:49] less than 30 days shall be set for a
[31:52] hearing before the governing body to
[31:54] hear all of the parties desiring to be
[31:55] heard uh and for the consideration of
[31:57] the petition. Uh should this uh
[32:00] resolution be adopted, uh then there
[32:02] would be a a public hearing uh scheduled
[32:05] September 1st at your regular board of
[32:08] directors meeting uh at 6:00 pm. Uh this
[32:11] will be on the petition that's been
[32:13] filed for the improvement district. Um
[32:15] the petition includes the description of
[32:18] the property. Uh it's approximately 25
[32:20] acres. There's a meets and bounds
[32:22] description that's attached to the
[32:23] property and for the purposes uh to be
[32:26] used uh constructing waterwork, sewers,
[32:28] and other utilities within the described
[32:30] lands as well as for the grading,
[32:32] draining, paving, curving, and laying of
[32:34] streets and sidewalks together with
[32:36] facilities related to any of the
[32:38] foregoing. Um so that's that's
[32:43] the background of this. Um this is a
[32:47] statutory scheme that uh provides a
[32:50] ministerial duty for the board to to set
[32:52] a hearing.
[32:54] >> And you said that hearing was going to
[32:56] be set on September 1st
[32:58] >> at 6 at 6 p.m. Yes, sir.
[33:00] >> Was there was there a
[33:03] an action item under after the hearing
[33:06] for that evening?
[33:07] >> There would be. Yes. So you would have a
[33:09] public hearing and then the action item
[33:11] on on on the creation of it after you
[33:13] have heard from from the parties who
[33:15] have an interest in in it.
[33:17] >> Okay. So but we're required to establish
[33:20] a a date and time for a hearing.
[33:22] >> You are sir.
[33:23] >> Okay.
[33:26] Director Web.
[33:27] >> Yeah. Thank you, Mayor. Um I appreciate
[33:30] all the clarification be um you know
[33:33] this is for the most part a procedural
[33:35] matter tonight that uh we have to enact
[33:38] on by law right to set set a hearing. Uh
[33:41] but before we do um I asked previously
[33:44] if any representative uh on behalf of
[33:48] this group is here today and it is
[33:50] conveyed to me that there is somebody
[33:52] here. So, uh, if we don't have any more
[33:55] questions amongst ourselves for you, um,
[33:58] can now be a good time that we call that
[33:59] person up. Mayor,
[34:01] >> again, there's no action items, so
[34:03] anything we hear tonight will probably
[34:05] hear in two weeks.
[34:07] >> Okay.
[34:08] >> Mr. Young, if you would come forward,
[34:10] this this is Perry Young, uh, attorney
[34:12] at law representing the, uh, the
[34:13] petitioner.
[34:15] >> Good evening.
[34:16] >> Welcome.
[34:17] >> Thank you for having me.
[34:18] >> Yeah. Uh, Mr. Young, I appreciate you
[34:21] being here. My name's uh Dudley Webb
[34:24] III, city director for district 4. And I
[34:27] just, you know, there's some residents
[34:28] in my district, which is where Cali
[34:31] Ridge is located in district 4, who have
[34:34] some questions over the potential
[34:38] creation of this particular district.
[34:40] and I'm glad you're here tonight to
[34:42] where I can give you some of those
[34:43] questions just so that in between now
[34:46] and when the hearing is scheduled to
[34:48] take place I can provide some details to
[34:51] those who might have questions. Um, I
[34:54] guess I'll start with, you know, as this
[34:56] was being introduced to us, uh, at the
[34:58] agenda meeting last week, it was
[35:00] somewhat compared to that of a POA, um,
[35:04] if I remember right, uh, and POAS in
[35:07] typical fashion are made up of
[35:10] homeowners that live in that said
[35:12] subdivision. But it looks as though
[35:14] based upon what was presented to us in
[35:16] this packet that the commission for this
[35:19] particular district will be made up of
[35:22] three individuals who don't currently
[35:24] have a home in that subdivision. So can
[35:26] you share with me uh and I can give you
[35:29] the names that were provided to us. It
[35:30] was Todd Havens, Paula Alderman, and
[35:33] Daniel or Danielle Barlo, I believe
[35:36] those three. uh can you share with me
[35:38] how these three uh were nominated to be
[35:41] on this commission and if any of those
[35:43] three live here in Hot Springs or are
[35:46] intending to live in this particular
[35:47] subdivision.
[35:48] >> Uh thank you very much. The subdivision
[35:51] is in the uh initial stages of
[35:54] construction. Now this allows the
[35:56] defrainment of some of the construction
[35:58] costs over a period of years.
[36:01] Uh it is unlike a PLA in that uh this is
[36:06] not a recreational improvement district
[36:08] which would continue to collect and
[36:10] spend money on maintenance and
[36:12] improvements of ongoing projects. This
[36:15] is assistance with the construction
[36:17] costs to keep prices down uh for
[36:20] affordable housing is what it's going to
[36:22] be uh in in the long run. And the answer
[36:25] to your second question is no. Uh they
[36:28] are uh three people nominated by the
[36:31] developer.
[36:32] Uh the developer doesn't intend to move
[36:36] from where they live. Um I come from
[36:39] Selen County as does the developer.
[36:41] That's our problem, our misfortune, but
[36:44] that's not the intent.
[36:46] >> Um thank you. Uh, can the
[36:51] uh commission be changed? Uh, if there
[36:55] are homes that are constructed within
[36:58] the near future in this development and
[37:00] the three that are currently on this
[37:01] commission don't live there, but there
[37:03] are three who do live there and they
[37:06] feel like servant upon this commission,
[37:07] can they? And how does that work to do?
[37:10] >> Not only can they, but pursuant to new
[37:12] law passed by the legislature and Brian,
[37:14] I'm going to apologize. I don't have the
[37:16] exact site on the top of my head, but I [clears throat] think you'll confirm
[37:20] the commissioners do need to rotate off
[37:23] uh at maximum. My understanding is, and
[37:26] if I'm getting this wrong, it's two
[37:28] three-year terms. Uh and you're gone. Uh
[37:32] and that was to make sure it wasn't kind
[37:34] of an old crony kind of old boy club
[37:36] kind of thing. Uh running it. I would
[37:39] expect that there would be three uh
[37:42] people within the uh within the uh new
[37:46] neighborhood that would uh want to step
[37:49] up. There's not much to it. It's really
[37:51] ministerial. You file a report once a
[37:53] year and you make sure that the trustee
[37:55] is paid and if somebody's not paying uh
[37:57] the taxes that are collected by the
[37:59] county assessor
[38:01] >> uh as part of your special improvement
[38:03] district taxes uh they make decisions
[38:05] whether or not to pursue any kind of
[38:07] action against those non-paying uh
[38:10] properties. That's really their only
[38:11] responsibility. Would would there be any
[38:14] um legislative stat statute in these
[38:18] codes to prevent somebody who lives
[38:20] there from being on this commission?
[38:22] >> I haven't found any, but
[38:24] >> no. Okay.
[38:26] >> We would encourage it and I would think
[38:28] those would be the people with the most,
[38:30] you know, the most uh skin
[38:32] [clears throat] in the game, if you
[38:33] will.
[38:33] >> Um it was also mentioned u Mr. Young
[38:36] that there are some examples of this
[38:39] particular type of district, the
[38:40] multi-use district that are in Benton.
[38:43] Um, however, I'm not seeing any details
[38:45] of that in our packet. And how does
[38:48] someone learn more about those districts
[38:51] that are in Benton? Uh, is there any
[38:53] information about those is the question.
[38:56] And then the second one, um, is were
[38:59] these districts also created by this
[39:02] same development
[39:04] company? two of the three were that I
[39:07] have been involved in as council. I sit
[39:10] as commissioner on improvement district
[39:12] number 131 of uh Benton. Uh we in part
[39:17] of developing Hurricane Lake of which
[39:19] I'm a member. Uh it's my side gig from
[39:22] practicing law I suppose. Uh
[39:26] knew what the process was, believed in
[39:27] it, got myself in the middle of it, put
[39:29] myself on as commissioner, and I really
[39:31] do hope to retire off soon. Uh but I can give you two sources besides Mr.
[39:36] Albbright uh that might be of some
[39:40] uh comfort if you will. Uh one is Ray
[39:43] Owen. This has not only been done in
[39:45] Benton or any other county. I know Mr.
[39:47] Owen has formed in in the in the past uh
[39:51] several improvement districts or been
[39:54] instrumental in in forming them. And the
[39:55] other is the bond council that we hire
[39:58] to make sure that everything is uh the
[40:00] tees are crossed and the eyes are dotted
[40:02] as far as the debt that is being uh if
[40:06] you will collected by the county
[40:08] assessor for their 3% fee and forwarded
[40:11] to the trustee for forwarding on to the
[40:13] bond holder and that is Hartzell Reagan
[40:16] Rh over at the Gil firm up in Little
[40:19] Rock. Uh we've worked with them twice
[40:21] before. I've also on my own worked with
[40:24] uh the uh Friday firm on setting them up
[40:27] and I I know the uh right Lindsay
[40:31] Jennings firm does them as well. So this
[40:34] is not very esoteric but I know for a
[40:37] fact there's at least 141 such districts
[40:40] most of which are these municipal
[40:42] improvement districts and not
[40:43] recreational districts in Selen County
[40:46] and that number is 75 here in here in
[40:48] Garland County.
[40:49] >> Well yes sir. Um the
[40:54] details that we have are stating that
[40:55] there's about 250 active uh improvement
[40:58] districts in 20 counties around
[41:00] Arkansas. Are you familiar if any of
[41:03] those are defined as multi-use
[41:06] improvement districts or would they have
[41:09] some label such as, you know, sewer
[41:12] infrastructure improvement district or
[41:13] so forth?
[41:15] I don't know what the I'm I'm not going
[41:17] to tell you I know what the ratio is,
[41:19] but I know that most developers uh when
[41:22] they write a check to a contractor,
[41:23] they're looking at what um the total
[41:26] improvements are, not just one element.
[41:29] And and that seems to be I don't know if
[41:31] there's a trend, but I can tell you
[41:33] anecdotally that they are the majority
[41:35] of the newly formed ones. And I I'll
[41:38] spend an hour at the uh Selen County uh
[41:41] circuit clerk's office. I'm excuse me
[41:43] the Selen County county clerk and the
[41:45] Benton and Bryant city clerk's office
[41:48] and I'll do the same thing here in
[41:49] Garland and probably provide you with
[41:52] dozens of them but I'll be happy to Is
[41:55] that where it gets its name like the
[41:57] multi-use is that because there are many
[41:59] uses for this particular type of
[42:00] district being created and that's if
[42:03] that's the case yeah what what are its
[42:05] intended uses for this district being
[42:08] created
[42:08] >> towards which type of infrastructure
[42:11] sorry
[42:11] >> towards the extension of existing
[42:13] utilities and the buildout of utilities
[42:15] within the uh the subdivision. And
[42:18] again, it's wholly owned by the
[42:20] developer at this point. And our goal is
[42:23] along with the contract buyer Lenar,
[42:25] which you may know to be the successor
[42:27] to Rous Coleman, that's already part of
[42:30] their agreement. And Rash Coleman, now
[42:32] Lunar has okayed it. And Mr. Albbright,
[42:35] I have letters saying that they've
[42:37] received it. They don't need certified
[42:38] mail copies. Um
[42:41] now the the other detail [clears throat]
[42:43] here is that this type of district may
[42:46] be used to borrow money um to construct
[42:49] this infrastructure. Uh
[42:52] if that's the case, uh how does that
[42:55] said money get paid back? Who does that
[42:58] fall on? Would that be uh something
[43:00] that's incorporated into interest that's
[43:02] picked up by potential future property
[43:06] owners within the subdivision?
[43:08] uh could it be uh their you know the
[43:11] price or value of their property goes up
[43:14] because there are existing debt loans
[43:16] out on infrastructure. How how does it
[43:19] get paid back? It lowers the the barrier
[43:21] to entry for moderate priced housing uh
[43:25] in that part of your development costs
[43:28] are not uh obtained, you know, plus
[43:32] whatever a reasonable profit might be.
[43:34] But it part of your development costs
[43:36] are being deferred, paid back over a
[43:39] 20-year amortization,
[43:41] uh, where they're being, uh, charged,
[43:44] uh, no greater, pursuant to the
[43:46] agreement with Raj Coleman, uh, $600 per
[43:49] year per lot.
[43:51] >> Okay. So, the three that are currently
[43:53] on the commission would have the say as
[43:54] to how much is to be borrowed and how it
[43:57] is to be paid back, or where does that
[43:58] come from? That's the resolution that's coming next. Once we get the
[44:02] appraiser, we excuse me, I meant to say
[44:05] assessor. Once the assessor is sworn in,
[44:08] once the commissioners are sworn in, we
[44:11] have a limit that's pre-imposed by
[44:13] contract with uh, as I said, Raj
[44:15] Coleman,
[44:16] >> is that going to something that's
[44:18] included in our packet prior to the
[44:20] hearing, too, or can that not be
[44:22] established until you have a formal
[44:25] multi-use district? that's
[44:26] [clears throat] going to be established
[44:27] after the district is established.
[44:29] >> Yeah.
[44:29] >> Because the other part that I noticed is
[44:32] that you know if and when any such
[44:35] establishment were to be approved such
[44:37] as this multi-use of uh
[44:39] >> multi-purpose um district once approved
[44:44] the city has no legal authority over the
[44:45] district. So what exactly does that
[44:47] mean?
[44:48] >> Well you really don't have any legal
[44:50] >> would there be any need to have any
[44:51] authority and what might that be?
[44:52] >> You don't really have any legal
[44:53] authority over it now. Um it
[44:56] [clears throat] it has to be established
[44:58] uh this way in order for them to do do
[45:00] an assessment uh just like you would on
[45:02] a water improvement district or sewer
[45:04] improvement districts. And that goes on
[45:05] the tax roles. And so the property
[45:07] owners going forward on each one of
[45:09] those lots pay their taxes and the
[45:11] assessment to the collector. That money
[45:14] is then used to pay off the debt.
[45:21] » Thank you. Uh I'm just looking over my
[45:24] notes. I'll pass the mic.
[45:25] >> Director Garcia,
[45:26] >> thank you. Uh, some of the residents uh
[45:30] had questions because they didn't
[45:32] understand everything. They didn't know
[45:34] if they needed to come to the hearing
[45:37] once we set the hearing date. And uh,
[45:42] who does the clerk submit the money to
[45:45] once they the county clerk collects the
[45:48] money? Who do they submit that to? Uh
[45:52] usually there's a trustee involved or at
[45:54] least a paying agent. It can be
[45:55] Centennial Bank. They do that. Pilaski
[45:57] Bank and Trust, whatever they're called
[45:59] now, uh does that. Uh Allan King of
[46:03] Improvement District Inc., which I'm
[46:05] sure Mr. Owen has worked with dozens of
[46:07] times, he will act as a non-fiduciary
[46:10] trustee, meaning he doesn't have to go
[46:12] sue people if they don't pay. That's
[46:14] optional. Uh and that's the real only
[46:16] difference there between a paying agent
[46:18] and a trustee. But that's who your
[46:21] county collector pays.
[46:24] >> And uh who pays this assessment or or
[46:28] tax?
[46:30] >> The residents per lot for a designated
[46:32] period of time.
[46:33] >> So it's only the owners that buy lots or
[46:39] homes [clears throat] within Cali Ridge.
[46:41] >> Absolutely. Is that correct?
[46:42] >> 100%. It has a defined geographical
[46:45] perimeter
[46:46] >> and uh I'm familiar with the developer
[46:50] taking care of the POA until there's
[46:52] over 50 or 55% of uh owners and then
[46:58] they have the option to uh take over the
[47:01] POA. But this would stay in TAC until um
[47:09] whatever the amount to be paid back is.
[47:12] that how that works?
[47:14] >> Yes. As I understand it, our contract
[47:16] purchaser does not want POAS in their
[47:19] subdivisions. What they
[47:22] >> do allow for is this to assist with the
[47:24] initial development costs.
[47:26] >> So, it's only for the infrastructure of
[47:28] the initial development and then once
[47:31] that's paid off,
[47:34] uh it's there's no more assessment.
[47:38] >> Correct.
[47:39] >> Okay. And uh that's all handled by the
[47:43] clerk and this uh improvement district
[47:47] once it's established. Is that correct?
[47:50] >> Really, it's the clerk and the trustee
[47:51] the
[47:52] >> or the trustee for the improvement
[47:54] district.
[47:54] >> The commissioners meet once a year to
[47:56] approve the transparency report which is
[47:58] filed with the state and really there's
[48:00] not much more than that usually.
[48:03] >> And once this is done, uh what is the
[48:06] city's role? city has no role
[48:09] >> or no expense.
[48:11] >> It has no expense.
[48:12] >> Thank you.
[48:15] >> Well, I'll I'll clarify that. Uh once
[48:17] the assets are are constructed and
[48:19] they're dedicated to the city, then the
[48:22] city has go, you know, ongoing
[48:24] maintenance for that. But they're paying
[48:26] for all of the infrastructure until it's
[48:29] dedicated to the city, which is the
[48:32] engineer periodically comes to us and
[48:35] says, "These assets are being will you
[48:38] approve to take them over?" And then
[48:41] they're in our maintenance. Until then,
[48:43] it's the maintenance of the special
[48:45] improvement district. Is that correct?
[48:48] >> Well, so that the assets are dedicated
[48:50] to the city when it's closed out. So
[48:52] when when our city engineer brings you a
[48:54] list, bear in mind that our water has
[48:57] been going through those lines for over
[48:59] 20 years, sometimes 30 years. And yes,
[49:02] we've been maintaining them. That's what
[49:03] we do because we charge uh our customers
[49:07] not only on&m uh [clears throat] but uh
[49:09] you know the sinking fund and so that's
[49:12] what the money is intended for is for
[49:14] the maintenance
[49:15] >> on water and sewer.
[49:21] But there's no lines in if they don't
[49:23] have the infrastructure in there now.
[49:25] There's no lines in there being used.
[49:27] >> They have to put they have to put them
[49:29] in.
[49:29] >> Yeah.
[49:30] >> And and and the money that they're
[49:31] wanting to raise from this assessment is
[49:33] going to pay for a portion of that. It's
[49:35] my understanding with your cap of $600
[49:39] per year per lot. That's only going to
[49:41] get you a little south of a million
[49:43] dollars.
[49:44] >> That's absolutely correct. And when I
[49:46] said nothing, I meant to say there's no
[49:48] difference. the dedication to the city
[49:50] and the city's acceptance process and
[49:52] the time frames, those aren't impacted
[49:55] at all by the existence or non-existence
[49:57] of a of a uh of an improvement district,
[50:00] >> but the developer would pay any fees for
[50:04] the that's been adopted by the city
[50:07] board for uh water and
[50:09] >> Oh, absolutely. They're they're water
[50:11] customers just like anybody else. uh
[50:13] just like Royal, just like all
[50:16] >> uh almost our entire water system was developed through improvement over
[50:23] the years outside the city
[50:24] >> from 1972 till today.
[50:27] >> Um and so that's the [clears throat] way
[50:28] that those have have all gone in
[50:31] >> but we won't we were having to do um
[50:36] work in the uh city municipal
[50:41] water
[50:43] on billing that we won't this won't
[50:46] entail
[50:47] >> this will not royal is the only one that
[50:50] we collect in the in [clears throat] the
[50:51] billing theirs is per meter this is an
[50:54] assessment like most improvement royal
[50:56] is is it's only one that I know of that
[50:59] they they base it per meter um all the
[51:03] others are assessments on the tax roles
[51:05] >> okay
[51:07] >> thank you
[51:09] >> any additional questions [clears throat]
[51:12] Director Web.
[51:13] >> Thank you, Mayor. Um,
[51:16] was was bringing this concept of having
[51:19] a multi-purpose district always part of
[51:22] the plan or did this just come up? Uh,
[51:25] is it because there are some added
[51:28] expenses that were unforeseen and now
[51:31] you're are you looking for a way to kind
[51:34] of compensate maybe the fiscal um
[51:39] responsibility for it or how how did it
[51:41] happen that you want a multi-purpose
[51:44] district? Now
[51:44] >> it it is uh part of uh contracts that
[51:48] commit you to sell to uh LAR uh when a
[51:53] certain threshold has been reached. the
[51:54] grading is within 3% of their specifics
[51:58] and the streets are in and the water and
[52:00] the sewer and the electric and I believe
[52:04] even fiber optic. Uh again, every one of
[52:07] those things cost money. They don't want
[52:09] a POA. Uh this was and is the best way
[52:13] to lower the uh
[52:19] to lower the entry barrier to moderate
[52:22] priced housing. uh on the front end.
[52:25] >> Okay. Um so be hearing that are there
[52:29] any other wouldn't it disclose to us
[52:30] that there's zero other multi-purpose
[52:32] districts in Hot Springs? I know there
[52:35] are you know uh specific districts that
[52:39] are in place.
[52:39] >> I I don't recall there there being one.
[52:42] That's not to say that there never has
[52:44] been. I I I don't recall one.
[52:46] >> Okay.
[52:47] Um, most of those, you know, might have
[52:50] been done through a POA type of format
[52:53] as opposed to an improvement district.
[52:56] >> Okay. So, you were saying this was part
[52:57] of the plan the whole time?
[52:59] >> Yes, sir.
[53:00] >> You were planning on uh establishing a
[53:02] multi-purpose district?
[53:04] >> Yes, sir.
[53:04] >> Okay,
[53:07] >> that's all I have.
[53:08] >> Thank you very much. Time. Yes, sir.
[53:09] >> Appreciate you, sir. Uh since uh this is
[53:12] kind of opened up to people coming to
[53:14] the podium, is there anybody in the
[53:15] audience since this was not a subject
[53:17] you could sign up on? If anybody else
[53:20] wants to come to the podium and talk for
[53:22] three minutes, you're free to do so.
[53:26] Anybody once, twice, thrice? Okay. Well,
[53:30] next Tuesday we'll have a hearing.
[53:34] [clears throat]
[53:35] Okay. So, now we'll move on. Oh, we got
[53:39] >> call the roll. Yeah.
[53:40] >> Or directors uh discussion amongst
[53:43] directors
[53:45] >> hearing none. Please call the role.
[53:47] >> Director Beard
[53:50] >> I.
[53:50] >> Do Smith
[53:51] >> I.
[53:52] >> Web
[53:52] >> I.
[53:53] >> Garcia
[53:54] >> I.
[53:54] >> Trusty.
[53:55] >> I.
[53:55] >> Mayor McCabe.
[53:56] >> I. Resolution is adopted. Moving on to
[53:59] consider resolution R-26-145.
[54:02] I ask city [clears throat] turn to read
[54:03] by title.
[54:04] >> Resolution R-26-145.
[54:06] A resolution authorizing the filing and
[54:08] acceptance of fiscal year 2026 community
[54:11] oriented policing development microrant
[54:13] program funding to support Hot Springs
[54:15] Police Department's drone as a first
[54:17] responder program. That concludes your
[54:19] reading. Mayor, if you would entertain a
[54:20] motion second to adopt.
[54:21] >> Motion moved.
[54:22] >> We got director trust trustee seconded
[54:25] by director web. And our staff report
[54:28] will come from none other than chief
[54:30] Chris Chapman. Welcome.
[54:32] >> Thank you, sir. Appreciate you guys
[54:34] giving me the opportunity to talk about
[54:35] this tonight. Pretty excited about this
[54:37] opportunity. So, this is a zero match
[54:39] grant. $200,000 fully. If we are awarded
[54:42] this grant, it'll be fully funded uh
[54:43] with zero match from the city. So, in
[54:47] 2022, the Hot Springs Police Department
[54:49] had deployed its first drone programs.
[54:51] Uh our current drone program is very
[54:53] reactive. Uh it is those drones are
[54:56] assigned to either the SWAT team, C or
[54:59] our patrol units. And so they are
[55:02] deployed after an event has already
[55:04] started. Uh take for example if we have
[55:06] a lost child, uh patrol officers
[55:08] respond, they put the drone up looking
[55:10] for the child. Um if we have a fleeing
[55:14] suspect, uh patrol officers get in the
[55:16] area, we put the drone up. So uh that's
[55:18] our current drone program. This program
[55:21] is very unique in the fact that the
[55:23] primary goal is to launch the drone.
[55:27] Imagine a helicopter on standby at the
[55:29] PD fully wound up ready to go and a 911
[55:32] call goes in and that that helicop
[55:35] helicopter responds immediately. That's
[55:36] what this drone program is. It's nested
[55:39] at the police department. It's tied to
[55:40] our CAD system. Uh a 911 call comes in
[55:44] and that drone immediately responds. And
[55:47] so that's what the program is all about.
[55:48] So the primary goal of this project is
[55:50] to launch central Arkansas's first drone
[55:52] as a first responder. It's called a DFR
[55:54] program uh by transitioning from our
[55:56] reactive current drone program which I
[55:58] just described to an integrated DFR
[56:01] framework. Uh HSB HSPD will
[56:04] fundamentally change how critical
[56:05] incidents are managed. So fund funding
[56:08] from the FY26 micro grants program again
[56:12] was $200,000 and it'll be used to
[56:14] procure advanced drone technology
[56:15] infrastructure and software capability
[56:18] of automated and remote launch upon call
[56:21] receipt. The DFR infrastructure will
[56:23] integrate seamlessly into our dispatch
[56:25] center and our new real-time crime
[56:27] center. The integration of the DFR
[56:30] technology represents a quantum leap in
[56:32] operational capability of the Hot
[56:33] Springs Police Department's uh dispatch
[56:36] center operations and real-time crime
[56:38] center. Again, rather than acting alone
[56:40] as a tactical asset, the DFR platform
[56:42] serves as a mobile airborne sensor
[56:44] network for the real-time crime center,
[56:46] our dispatchers, and our officers,
[56:48] creating an unprecedented level of
[56:50] situational awareness. So, it really
[56:52] acts as a force multiplier. It it acts
[56:56] as an advanced incident deescalation uh
[56:58] device able to tell us and provide us
[57:00] information before we get there. And in
[57:03] precision pre precision dispatching and
[57:05] resource allocation, a lot of these
[57:07] drone programs that we're seeing across
[57:08] the country, the drone will get there
[57:11] several minutes before the officers get
[57:12] there. They're able to determine what's
[57:14] actually going on and instead of us
[57:16] pushing three or four or five different
[57:18] assets there, maybe we only have to send
[57:20] one. And so that information is being
[57:22] monitored immediately. So how the system
[57:26] works very quickly. So we receive a 911
[57:29] call in our dispatch center. The
[57:32] technology allows for that 911 call to
[57:36] automatically be sent to the drone. So
[57:39] as our CAD information is being entered
[57:41] by our dispatchers, the drone is being
[57:45] sent automatically. Sometimes even
[57:47] before we're on the radio dispatching
[57:48] the officer. So the drone has the
[57:51] capability of 45 to 47 mph. So the
[57:55] expectation is that it'll get there
[57:57] several minutes before the officer 7
[57:59] mile range. So it can it can respond
[58:01] anywhere in the city from the police
[58:03] department. And once it gets there, it's
[58:06] automatically um cameras down to the
[58:09] scene and that information is
[58:11] automatically transmitted back to the
[58:13] dispatch center, the real-time crime
[58:14] center, and the officers responding will
[58:17] have the capability of seeing that.
[58:18] Again, think about the tactical
[58:20] advantage that gives us. Uh so
[58:22] highdeinition video uh secur uh securely
[58:25] to a certified remote pilot. Um so the
[58:29] other great thing about this is our
[58:31] pilots uh could be in route. Dispatch
[58:34] has control of this drone and then they
[58:37] turn it over to the pilot who is on the
[58:39] ground at the time and able to use that.
[58:41] So just a number of areas that can be
[58:43] used. Crowd and event management. Think
[58:45] about our St. Patrick's Day parade and
[58:47] the number of people we have downtown
[58:48] able to monitor that search and rescue
[58:51] again talking about the lost child
[58:53] elderly uh person wonders off we have
[58:56] that quite often. It also has thermal
[58:58] imaging uh imagery which would help us
[59:01] with fires. Our fire department could
[59:02] use it. We could utilize it. Uh natural
[59:05] disasters. Uh think about if we have a
[59:07] massive ice storm or a tornado and our
[59:09] roadways are closed. It takes us time to
[59:12] cut trees to get in there. We could
[59:14] deploy the drone ahead of schedule,
[59:15] ahead of our work crews to see those
[59:17] things. Uh traffic deescalation, uh
[59:20] deploy the drone, see exactly where
[59:21] assets are needed, where tow trucks are
[59:23] needed or ambulances are needed. And of
[59:25] course, officer safety and suspect
[59:27] tracking. That for me, that's the number
[59:29] one thing. We're putting information out
[59:31] there during a critical incident so
[59:33] those officers are more aware what's
[59:34] going on. Uh if there's a guy hiding
[59:36] behind a car with a shotgun, we're able
[59:38] to see that with a drone before those
[59:40] units uh those officers step out of
[59:42] those units. So, response speed, I told
[59:44] you guys how fast it responds.
[59:46] Deescalation, again, we're giving real
[59:49] information, updated information to
[59:50] those officers as they respond. Uh,
[59:52] maybe it's a mental health crisis and
[59:54] not a true disturbance, and we'll be
[59:56] able to see that and pass that
[59:57] information along. Obviously, missing
[59:59] persons, there's a multitude of of ways
[1:00:02] that can be used. Now, I want to tell
[1:00:03] you what it's not maybe, so that'll help
[1:00:06] answer some of the questions. So, it's
[1:00:08] incident driven only. So, this is not
[1:00:10] patrolling for us. It's not just up
[1:00:13] there randomly turning corners in the
[1:00:14] sky looking down to see what's going on.
[1:00:17] We're sending it somewhere sending it
[1:00:19] somewhere based on a need. Okay. No
[1:00:23] facial recognition. All right. I know
[1:00:25] that's a big concept right now. The
[1:00:27] software integrates for automatic uh
[1:00:29] does not integrate for biometric
[1:00:31] tracking. Um strict evidence purging.
[1:00:34] So, noncriminal footage is obviously
[1:00:36] purged. policies will be in place where
[1:00:38] that information is deleted and then
[1:00:40] public accountability. Uh there will be
[1:00:43] a place on our website where we show the
[1:00:45] number of deployments, the type of
[1:00:47] incidents it was deployed to. So that's
[1:00:49] how it will be used. Be glad to answer
[1:00:51] any questions.
[1:00:52] >> Any questions, Chief? Director Garcia.
[1:00:55] >> Thank you, Mayor. Chief, uh we know that
[1:00:58] you have dispatchers
[1:01:01] around the clock working and you have
[1:01:03] officers around the clock. Uh what about
[1:01:06] the crime center analysts? Are they
[1:01:09] working around the clock or do you need
[1:01:11] uh more resources there?
[1:01:14] >> No, ma'am. So, our crime analysts, we
[1:01:16] have one full-time and one part-time
[1:01:18] crime analyst. Now, they work as needed,
[1:01:20] but primarily during the day. Each day,
[1:01:23] the information from the overnight um
[1:01:26] incidents is pushed to them so they can
[1:01:27] catalog that, build out reports, start
[1:01:29] putting the puzzle together, so to
[1:01:31] speak. But currently they're primarily
[1:01:32] dayshift ma'am or as needed.
[1:01:35] >> So if this came in while they weren't on
[1:01:39] u duty then u they it it could still be
[1:01:44] dispatched.
[1:01:45] >> Absolutely. So the again multipitude of
[1:01:47] ways to dispatch it primarily from the
[1:01:49] dispatch center. So the dispatchers will
[1:01:52] actually own the drone so to speak uh
[1:01:54] from that initial call that 911 call
[1:01:56] comes in the GPS coordinates they're
[1:01:58] loaded in the CAD right. So techn is
[1:02:01] fantastic. Works smarter not harder. Um
[1:02:03] but that information from the cell phone
[1:02:05] call, the 911 call that's automatically
[1:02:08] populated in our CAD system, which is
[1:02:09] our computerenerated dispatching system,
[1:02:12] that's also being sent to the drone. And
[1:02:14] so it's automatically sent. The
[1:02:16] technology is absolutely amazing. Again,
[1:02:18] imagine that helicopter sitting on top
[1:02:19] of the police department, right? And and
[1:02:22] then they can turn the operation of the
[1:02:24] drone. and they can either maintain
[1:02:25] operational capabilities within the
[1:02:27] dispatch center or they can turn it over
[1:02:29] to one of the drone operators, pilots,
[1:02:31] FFA licensed uh pilots that we have on
[1:02:34] each shift.
[1:02:35] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:02:36] >> Yes, ma'am. Director Web.
[1:02:39] >> Thank you, Mayor. Um and Chief, I'm not
[1:02:42] trying to steal any of our thunder by
[1:02:45] this being projected as a potential
[1:02:47] project to launch Central Arkansas's
[1:02:49] first drone. I remember you bringing
[1:02:51] that up even in our uh agenda meeting,
[1:02:54] but I I do have a question that can give
[1:02:56] us some pretty serious data that I I
[1:02:59] think you're prepared to give us. uh
[1:03:01] with the other drones that are similar
[1:03:03] to what we are considering to pass here
[1:03:06] tonight being in operation and other law
[1:03:09] enforcement agencies, how much real time
[1:03:11] or real data is available uh to share
[1:03:15] with us here tonight to show how these
[1:03:18] drones can bring safety, better safety
[1:03:20] for our officers. Uh which in essence, I
[1:03:24] guess, allows for more preparation going
[1:03:26] into a scene to apprehend suspects. Uh
[1:03:29] that's part one. Part two, how much data
[1:03:33] is available to see to witness to show
[1:03:35] that there is safety being or an
[1:03:38] extended offering of safety being
[1:03:40] provided for potential victims to allow
[1:03:43] response time to not only maybe increase
[1:03:46] but to know how to respond?
[1:03:49] Can you share with us any of that?
[1:03:52] >> Yeah, so obviously we don't have we
[1:03:54] haven't created the data for hot springs
[1:03:56] because you know it's a it's a tool,
[1:03:58] right? And so we still have people
[1:04:00] making decisions on the ground. So that
[1:04:02] data is not here. But from the programs
[1:04:04] that do exist, uh, Chula Vista, several
[1:04:07] other, you know, cities that have used
[1:04:09] the programs, one of the biggest stats
[1:04:11] that I am just absolutely amazed by is
[1:04:13] the 20% on average reduction in calls
[1:04:17] that officers actually have to respond
[1:04:18] to because the the drone is providing
[1:04:21] that real life information to the
[1:04:23] dispatch center and we're able to negate
[1:04:25] some of the the multiple officer
[1:04:27] response to events. So, that's huge to
[1:04:30] me. Uh but again, take for instance,
[1:04:33] we're responding to that that active
[1:04:35] shooter event. And you know, an active
[1:04:37] shooter event, everybody and their
[1:04:39] brother is going to that event. Not just
[1:04:41] HSPD, but Arkansas State Police, Garland
[1:04:43] County Sheriff's Department, National
[1:04:44] Park Service, anybody with a gun and
[1:04:46] badge is going. But if we have that
[1:04:48] drone over the top, instead of mass
[1:04:51] chaos, everybody kind of showing up and
[1:04:54] not knowing what to do, we're able to
[1:04:56] see ahead of time before those officers
[1:04:57] get there, start directing to them to
[1:04:59] where the bad guy is or where the
[1:05:01] critical issue is and pushing those
[1:05:03] resources there. So, we know that works.
[1:05:06] We've seen that with our current drone
[1:05:07] program. Uh on on average, the drones
[1:05:11] are responding in in a minute to a
[1:05:13] minute and a half. Our average response
[1:05:15] time is about three minutes to a call uh
[1:05:17] quicker than that to a critical
[1:05:19] incident. But again, so you're you're
[1:05:21] doubling your your speed capability to
[1:05:23] being overhead providing information
[1:05:25] that is giving us such a tactical
[1:05:27] advantage. uh whether that's for a to a mental person, a subject in a mental
[1:05:33] crisis where we know that hey there's
[1:05:35] not a weapon involved. He's he's just
[1:05:37] having a mental crisis. We can slow down
[1:05:39] the response, have EMS coming in instead
[1:05:41] of a number of officers that would
[1:05:43] escalate that situation. So, we haven't
[1:05:45] created our own data yet, but there's
[1:05:47] plenty of data out there from other
[1:05:48] cities who have deployed these, and
[1:05:50] they've been deployed, I think, since
[1:05:52] 2017 was the first one, uh 2017 or 2019.
[1:05:57] So there's plenty of data out there that
[1:05:58] we can provide to the citizens and then
[1:06:00] we'll do a monthly report. Uh with our
[1:06:02] monthly report, we'll add that data,
[1:06:04] >> you know. Uh thank you, Chief. The one
[1:06:07] thing that I I hear a lot, my my kids
[1:06:10] and I keep up with a lot of um body cam
[1:06:14] police videos that are on YouTube u to
[1:06:17] watch. And then just in policing in
[1:06:20] general, I think one line that we hear
[1:06:22] are there are good people who just make
[1:06:24] a bad choice.
[1:06:26] >> Yes. So, as important as it is, and it's
[1:06:28] highly important to ensure officer
[1:06:30] safety and victim safety, I think it's
[1:06:33] fair to say that most, if not all, law
[1:06:36] enforcement officers also, when they
[1:06:38] can, want to see the suspect uh
[1:06:41] apprehended in a safe manner, too.
[1:06:42] >> Absolutely.
[1:06:43] >> Would you say that this drone uh allows
[1:06:46] for the process of apprehension of
[1:06:48] suspects to be granted a little bit more
[1:06:51] safety being utilized? Well, I think it
[1:06:54] enhances all three of those areas to be
[1:06:56] honest with you. Obviously, we talked
[1:06:58] about the tactical uh safety aspect for
[1:07:00] the responding officers, but also for
[1:07:02] the suspects, uh for the victims. Um you
[1:07:05] know, and and a lot of people aren't
[1:07:08] suspects, they are victims. They're
[1:07:10] lost. Uh this drone would help us find
[1:07:12] them much quicker than sending, you
[1:07:14] know, six officers in a in a grid line
[1:07:17] into the woods looking for someone.
[1:07:18] We've got the drone up there with with
[1:07:20] thermal capabilities showing us that,
[1:07:22] hey, there's a subject 100 yards into
[1:07:23] the wood line laying on the ground. We
[1:07:26] can send people to that direct spot. So,
[1:07:28] we're obviously able to help sus uh
[1:07:30] victims much faster. But also, yes,
[1:07:32] actually there we we have an obligation
[1:07:35] to protect the suspects as well. Uh and
[1:07:37] so if we have that drone overhead, we
[1:07:39] can see where that suspect is, maneuver
[1:07:42] those resources in in a safe manner,
[1:07:44] which allow allows for a safe
[1:07:46] deescalation uh situation where we're
[1:07:49] protecting them as well.
[1:07:51] >> Thank you,
[1:07:52] >> Chief. You had indicated that the range
[1:07:54] was 7 miles. I don't Is that because of
[1:07:59] radio connection or fuel or
[1:08:01] >> Yes, sir. The the cellular data uh
[1:08:04] connection is about seven miles. Okay.
[1:08:06] Um, if the program is successful, if we
[1:08:09] do what we hope to do, uh, and and show
[1:08:12] proof of concept, uh, eventually we
[1:08:15] would request that a secondary drone be
[1:08:17] put in like the south part of the city,
[1:08:18] the south southwest part of the city,
[1:08:20] uh, enhancing our capabilities. Again,
[1:08:23] such a multiuse tool for our fire
[1:08:26] department, our our storm crews as they
[1:08:29] go out in these natural weather
[1:08:30] disasters. uh such a tool, multi-use
[1:08:32] tool for the entire city and our other
[1:08:35] partners, National Park Service, county,
[1:08:37] uh obviously, you know, our lakes border
[1:08:40] our city limits and think about if we've
[1:08:42] got a a drowning victim or a boating
[1:08:44] accident or something like that. So,
[1:08:46] just a great resource to have.
[1:08:48] >> Very good. If there's no further
[1:08:50] questions, thank you.
[1:08:51] >> I'll make this last statement. Uh,
[1:08:52] Senator Boseman, Cotton, and Congressman
[1:08:55] Westerman have all written letters of
[1:08:57] support for this program and so we're
[1:08:59] hoping that DOJ takes notice of that.
[1:09:01] So,
[1:09:02] >> okay, we got one more question or
[1:09:04] questioner, director, trustee.
[1:09:06] >> Thank you, Mayor Chief. [clears throat]
[1:09:07] We discussed this briefly at the agenda
[1:09:10] meeting, but as the information comes in
[1:09:13] to the dispatch center and it's entered
[1:09:15] into the system, does that automatically
[1:09:20] um send the drone or does someone have
[1:09:22] to push that button say yes, this is a
[1:09:24] drone
[1:09:26] response?
[1:09:26] >> So, it can be deployed either way. The
[1:09:28] technology allows it to automatically
[1:09:30] deploy based on certain criteria, but
[1:09:33] more than likely we're going to be
[1:09:35] pushing that button button. Yeah. And
[1:09:37] then of course all the information
[1:09:39] that's being gathered as the dispatcher
[1:09:41] is entering that additional information.
[1:09:43] Of course that's going straight out to
[1:09:44] our officers. Uh they can transition to
[1:09:47] the other pilot who can add additional
[1:09:48] information. So again the technology is
[1:09:51] above my pay grade and but it is it's
[1:09:53] pretty neat.
[1:09:55] >> All right. Thank you.
[1:09:56] >> Very good. Thank you.
[1:09:57] >> Thank you sir.
[1:10:00] >> Anybody sign up?
[1:10:01] >> No sir.
[1:10:03] >> Discussion amongst directors hearing
[1:10:05] none. Please call the role.
[1:10:07] >> Director Dob Smith
[1:10:08] >> I.
[1:10:09] >> Web
[1:10:10] >> I.
[1:10:10] >> Garcia
[1:10:11] >> I.
[1:10:12] >> Trustee
[1:10:12] >> I.
[1:10:13] >> Beard.
[1:10:14] >> No.
[1:10:15] >> Mayor McCabe.
[1:10:16] >> I. Resolution adopted. Moving on to
[1:10:19] consider or ordinance O-26-31.
[1:10:23] I'll entertain a motion and second to
[1:10:25] suspend the rules and read by title.
[1:10:30] >> A motion to suspend the rules. director
[1:10:32] of trustee seconded by director Garcia.
[1:10:35] >> I have a motion and second to spend the
[1:10:36] rules. All in favor signify by saying I.
[1:10:39] >> I. I.
[1:10:40] >> Oppos same sign. Council please read by
[1:10:42] title.
[1:10:42] >> Ordinance 0-26-31
[1:10:44] an ordinance amending the zoning map for
[1:10:46] lots two and part of lot three of Sour
[1:10:49] Rock Spring subdivision from RN2
[1:10:51] residential neighborhood 2 to CR
[1:10:53] regional commercial zone district.
[1:10:55] Changing the future land use plan map
[1:10:58] from residential low density to linear
[1:11:00] commercial corridor to correct a mapping
[1:11:02] error and for other purposes. That
[1:11:04] concludes your reading. Mayor, if you
[1:11:04] would entertain a motion, second to
[1:11:06] adopt.
[1:11:06] >> Motion to adopt. Director G. Director
[1:11:09] Adob Smith, seconded by director Trustee
[1:11:11] and staff report will be provided by
[1:11:13] Kathy Salman, planning and development
[1:11:15] director. Welcome.
[1:11:17] >> Thank you. Um, excuse [clears throat]
[1:11:20] me. We have two zoning map errors that
[1:11:23] apply to this land. And Hot Springs code
[1:11:26] does establish standards for amending
[1:11:28] the zoning map. One of those is to
[1:11:32] correct an error in previous map
[1:11:34] amendment action. I don't think we've
[1:11:36] ever had one where there were two errors
[1:11:39] in two different years on one piece of
[1:11:42] land, but here we do. A 2002 application
[1:11:47] to reszone this land to commercial
[1:11:50] included a map which used a now very
[1:11:53] faded highlighter to outland outline the
[1:11:56] subject land. The board of directors
[1:12:00] approved an ordinance that had no map
[1:12:04] and contains
[1:12:07] what looks like a partial legal
[1:12:09] description of the area that was
[1:12:11] highlighted on the original application.
[1:12:16] Uh there isn't any doc documentation
[1:12:19] that exists to explain why the
[1:12:22] ordinances legal description differs
[1:12:24] from the applicant's map. The area
[1:12:27] depicted on the application exceeds the
[1:12:30] area the ordinance described, but there
[1:12:32] is nothing in either planning commission
[1:12:35] minutes or board of directors minutes uh
[1:12:38] from that meeting in 2002 to reflect any
[1:12:42] amendment of the area being reszoned. In
[1:12:46] 2004,
[1:12:48] planning commission approved a
[1:12:50] conditional use for a self storage use
[1:12:54] and structures on the entire multiple
[1:12:57] lot parcel despite the fact that one of
[1:13:00] the lots was and still is residentially
[1:13:03] zoned. Um self- storage facility still
[1:13:07] is a prohibited use in residential
[1:13:09] zones.
[1:13:12] Um the meeting minutes from the
[1:13:15] commission's meeting um demonstrate that
[1:13:20] the commission was incorrectly advised
[1:13:24] prior to their vote approving the
[1:13:26] conditional use. And what they were told
[1:13:29] was that because an adjacent lot also
[1:13:32] owned by the same owner as these three
[1:13:36] was already zoned commercial, then the
[1:13:39] residential zoning could be interpreted
[1:13:41] as commercial zoning. Um, that's not
[1:13:46] true. And the zoning map wasn't amended
[1:13:49] after the fact either to reflect that
[1:13:52] interpretation.
[1:13:55] The current use on lots one to three
[1:13:58] appears to be vehicle and both storage.
[1:14:01] This storage is in keeping with the
[1:14:03] approved 2004 conditional use um which
[1:14:07] specifically approved additional storage
[1:14:10] buildings again even though the mapped
[1:14:13] residential zone prohibited that use. So
[1:14:16] as currently mapped the use that was
[1:14:20] developed subsequent to the conditional
[1:14:22] use being approved um is not lawful. So
[1:14:27] um the
[1:14:30] approval standards for map amendments
[1:14:33] cover this situation. The map amendment
[1:14:36] errors affecting lots one, two, and
[1:14:39] three, part of three saw rock spring
[1:14:42] subdivision occurred in both 2002 and in
[1:14:46] 2004.
[1:14:47] Correcting the map to zone the subject
[1:14:49] land CR regional commercial will remove
[1:14:53] a nonconformity
[1:14:55] and would allow both the use and future
[1:14:58] development consistent with the 2004
[1:15:01] approved conditional use permit. A
[1:15:04] future land use plan map designation of
[1:15:07] linear commercial corridor is consistent
[1:15:10] with the surrounding regional commercial
[1:15:13] CR zoned lands and the future land use
[1:15:17] map should be adjusted to reflect that
[1:15:20] new designation.
[1:15:22] >> Very good. Any questions of Miss Sel?
[1:15:28] » Director Trustee.
[1:15:29] >> Thank you, mayor. Kathy, this is just on
[1:15:32] the storage units behind the commercial
[1:15:35] property.
[1:15:36] >> It It is on two and a half lots that are
[1:15:41] to the immediate east of those storage
[1:15:45] buildings. Takes it over to
[1:15:49] I want to say S Rock Springs Road. Okay.
[1:15:52] Right.
[1:15:54] Okay.
[1:15:57] >> Any additional questions of Miss Selman?
[1:16:01] Thank you.
[1:16:02] >> Thank you.
[1:16:03] >> Did we have anybody sign up?
[1:16:04] >> No sir.
[1:16:04] >> Discussion amongst directors
[1:16:08] >> hearing none. Please call the role.
[1:16:10] >> Director Webb
[1:16:11] >> I.
[1:16:12] >> Garcia
[1:16:13] >> I.
[1:16:13] >> Trusty
[1:16:14] >> I.
[1:16:15] >> Beard
[1:16:16] >> I.
[1:16:17] >> Bob Smith
[1:16:18] >> I.
[1:16:18] >> Mayor McCabe
[1:16:19] >> I. Ordinance is adopted. Our final
[1:16:22] action of the item for this evening is
[1:16:24] to consider ordinance 0-26-32.
[1:16:28] I entertain a motion, second to suspend
[1:16:30] the rules and read by title.
[1:16:32] >> So move.
[1:16:33] >> Director Do Smith, second by director
[1:16:35] Garcia.
[1:16:36] >> I have a motion and second to spend the
[1:16:37] rules and read by title. All in favor
[1:16:39] signify by saying I.
[1:16:41] >> I.
[1:16:41] >> Oppose. Same sign. Council, please read
[1:16:43] by title. Ordinance O-26-32
[1:16:46] and an ordinance calling for an election
[1:16:47] to be held during the next general
[1:16:49] election November 3, 2026 on the
[1:16:52] question of authorizing Sunday sales of
[1:16:55] alcoholic beverages for off- premises
[1:16:57] consumption in Hot Springs, Arkansas.
[1:16:59] That concludes your reading. Mayor, if
[1:17:01] you would entertain a motion and a
[1:17:02] second to adopt.
[1:17:03] >> So second
[1:17:05] >> director trustee second by director Dob
[1:17:07] Smith and our staff report we provided
[1:17:11] by our city attorney, Mr. Brian
[1:17:12] Albbright. Thank you, mayor. Uh the the
[1:17:15] underlying question here is sale of
[1:17:17] alcoholic beverages on Sundays for off-
[1:17:19] premise consumption. Hot Springs does
[1:17:21] have onremise consumption does not have
[1:17:24] off-remise consumption on on Sunday. Um
[1:17:27] but this is this is a product that comes
[1:17:30] to you through our constitution. Article
[1:17:33] 5 section one of our constitution of
[1:17:35] 1875
[1:17:36] uh deals with initiatives and
[1:17:38] referendums. that is the right that the
[1:17:40] people uh of this state reserved unto
[1:17:43] themselves when the when the uh
[1:17:45] constitution was adopted and so we
[1:17:47] follow that process uh in the form of
[1:17:50] petitions. Um al Sunday off- premise
[1:17:53] alcohol sales in Arkansas is governed by
[1:17:55] statute Arkansas code annotated section
[1:17:58] 3-3-210
[1:18:00] sub paragraph B. Um, this uh subsection
[1:18:03] authorizes cities to permit Sunday
[1:18:05] off-remise sales for retail sales,
[1:18:07] meaning grocery stores, uh, convenience
[1:18:10] stores, liquor stores, similar retail
[1:18:12] outlets. It does not expand uh the
[1:18:15] ability to to sell beyond the the on
[1:18:19] premise license. So, in other words, an
[1:18:22] establishment must have an on-remise
[1:18:24] license in order to uh I'm sorry, it
[1:18:26] doesn't it's not really what I meant.
[1:18:29] to say is that they have a
[1:18:31] license to sell other than Sundays. Uh
[1:18:34] if they if they have a license uh to
[1:18:36] sell other than Sundays, then this would
[1:18:37] apply to them. That have anything to do
[1:18:39] with on premise. Um in looking at the uh
[1:18:44] the law regarding the number of of
[1:18:46] signatures required, it's 15% of those
[1:18:49] uh that uh uh voted for voted in the
[1:18:52] governor's race at the last general
[1:18:53] election. uh here in in Garland County
[1:18:56] those numbers uh in Hot Springs were
[1:18:59] 13,020.
[1:19:00] So so the number that must be reached is
[1:19:03] 1953.
[1:19:05] On August 5th, 2026, the city clerk's
[1:19:08] office received a petition uh and began
[1:19:11] the verification of the signatures on
[1:19:13] that uh with the county clerk's office.
[1:19:16] Um once the requisite number of
[1:19:19] signatures were verified and certified,
[1:19:22] our uh pro procedure here in Hot
[1:19:24] Springs, Hot Springs Code section 1-2-1
[1:19:27] uh 1.5 deals with referendums and
[1:19:30] initiatives. Uh and it states that once
[1:19:32] those signatures are uh received, an
[1:19:35] election shall be called. The election
[1:19:39] is called pursuant to Arkansas code
[1:19:42] 3-3210B
[1:19:45] uh which states um that the election
[1:19:48] under this subsection on the Sunday sale
[1:19:50] question shall be held in accordance
[1:19:52] with the procedures established for
[1:19:54] onremise consumption. So our our
[1:19:57] legislature gave us a statute for
[1:19:59] off-remise consumption and told us to
[1:20:02] follow the procedure under for the
[1:20:04] election that is established under the
[1:20:07] onremise consumption which is 3-9-201
[1:20:11] at seek. When we look to 3-9-206,
[1:20:18] it states that the election shall be
[1:20:20] called by order of the quorum court in
[1:20:22] accordance with section 7-11-201
[1:20:25] at seek, which is a statutory scheme
[1:20:27] that uh codify amendment 7 to article 5
[1:20:31] section one of the constitution.
[1:20:33] So in any event, uh the law says that
[1:20:36] when you get the signatures, you call
[1:20:38] for the election, but it also says that
[1:20:40] the manner uh includes asking the quorum
[1:20:43] court to also call the election. I
[1:20:46] question whether or not that is
[1:20:47] absolutely positively required. However,
[1:20:50] uh belt and and suspenders and wanting
[1:20:54] to to preserve the right that was
[1:20:56] reserved to the people under the
[1:20:58] constitution to have their referendum on
[1:21:00] this law. uh part of uh the ordinance
[1:21:03] that's before you includes a request for
[1:21:06] the county to also uh call this
[1:21:08] election. So, in looking at the uh the
[1:21:11] ordinance itself, um there were 1957
[1:21:16] signatures that were certified. Uh those
[1:21:19] uh will be going to the uh county clerk
[1:21:22] as well as the commission, the election
[1:21:24] commission. Um
[1:21:28] and we request that u the quorum court
[1:21:30] also call such a such an election.
[1:21:37] It does not expand as I said only if you
[1:21:40] already have a license uh to sell on the
[1:21:43] other days of the of the week would you
[1:21:45] be able to sell on Sunday.
[1:21:50] » Any questions of Brian?
[1:21:53] Director Web.
[1:21:58] » Thank you, Mayor.
[1:22:00] I'm just sitting here thinking of how to
[1:22:02] ask these questions. So, um
[1:22:06] [clears throat]
[1:22:07] I I think you've tried to maybe answer
[1:22:09] some of the questions that I have. Um
[1:22:13] because the initial thought for me upon
[1:22:15] seeing this on our agenda last week was,
[1:22:19] you know, um the body of people that
[1:22:22] took this action for this particular
[1:22:25] initiative to get signatures and file
[1:22:28] all the necessary filings had nothing to
[1:22:31] do with the city board of directors. So
[1:22:34] the question for me is why are we even
[1:22:36] seeing this item here before us? And
[1:22:40] it looks upon first glance, it looked to
[1:22:43] me like having this in front of us looks
[1:22:46] like a measure to have us show
[1:22:49] favorability for this particular ballot
[1:22:52] initiative when in my opinion we should
[1:22:54] remain neutral and allow the people to
[1:22:57] vote their mind without any input from
[1:23:00] the city. Um, would that be right or
[1:23:04] wrong is the question. And I guess the
[1:23:07] follow-up question to that is if the
[1:23:13] signatures that were needed to be
[1:23:15] obtained were obtained by the group of
[1:23:18] said people for this particular
[1:23:19] initiative,
[1:23:21] would they not be able to get it on a
[1:23:24] ballot without having anything passed by
[1:23:26] the board of directors or quorum court?
[1:23:30] >> Okay. Um, yeah, I think there's
[1:23:32] basically three questions there and I'll
[1:23:35] if [clears throat] I miss some of them,
[1:23:37] follow up on this. Okay. The reason that
[1:23:40] it's coming to you this way is because
[1:23:41] this is way the Constitution says it
[1:23:43] comes. Article 5, section one of the of
[1:23:46] the Arkansas Constitution says if there
[1:23:48] is a petition filed with the requisite
[1:23:50] number of signatures, you will put it on
[1:23:53] the ballot. People don't put it on the
[1:23:55] ballot. The the governing bodies put it
[1:23:58] on the B. have to call for the election.
[1:24:01] Okay, they they they've sought the
[1:24:03] election. They've they've reached the
[1:24:05] number of signatures. And so our first
[1:24:07] statute that we looked at is 33210B,
[1:24:10] which says uh that an election on Sunday
[1:24:14] sale question shall be held in
[1:24:15] accordance with procedures established
[1:24:17] on prem for on premises elections.
[1:24:20] Okay, that's what we have to send to the
[1:24:22] county because 39206
[1:24:27] says that they also have to call the
[1:24:28] election.
[1:24:31] Our our initiative and referendum
[1:24:33] section of of our ordinances, our code
[1:24:36] that we adopted that or again article 5
[1:24:39] section one of the constitution says you
[1:24:41] do says that when we receive that that
[1:24:44] requisite number of signatures, we call
[1:24:46] the election.
[1:24:48] Um,
[1:24:49] >> we're not endorsing the election.
[1:24:51] There's nothing in here whatsoever that
[1:24:54] shows any indication of how we want
[1:24:57] people to vote or that you're in favor
[1:24:59] of it. One iota. This is merely to call
[1:25:02] the election so that the people, the
[1:25:05] registered voters of the city of Hot
[1:25:07] Springs can vote on the measure.
[1:25:09] >> Um, having listened to all that, if um
[1:25:13] would uh it also have to be passed in
[1:25:15] quorum court to be placed on the ballot?
[1:25:17] Is there not any way that this
[1:25:19] particular measure could make it onto a
[1:25:21] ballot without the passing of our board
[1:25:24] in a quorum court or one of the other?
[1:25:26] >> It has to be. It has to be by this
[1:25:27] board. But again, it it's a ministerial
[1:25:30] act kind of like we were talking about
[1:25:31] with the other petition. When you
[1:25:33] receive petitions of referendum pursuant
[1:25:36] to the constitution, you act on that.
[1:25:38] Otherwise, you're sued for mandamus.
[1:25:40] >> Right.
[1:25:41] >> Um so this is a ministerial duty for you
[1:25:45] to call for the election. I'm not
[1:25:47] convinced a thousand% that the quorum
[1:25:50] court must also do it, but the other
[1:25:52] cities who have followed this statutory
[1:25:54] scheme in 2024 also send it to their
[1:25:58] quorum courts. Um, so again, as a belt
[1:26:01] and suspenders
[1:26:03] abundance of caution, I think that that
[1:26:06] they should be asked to to also pass uh
[1:26:09] a measure to put it on the ballot. So,
[1:26:11] it's it's your uh belief that the
[1:26:15] petition
[1:26:17] did obtain all necessary and that this
[1:26:19] was confirmed by city and county clerk,
[1:26:21] right? I mean, all the all the ballot
[1:26:23] signatures were there. So, it's your
[1:26:24] position that uh if the board were not
[1:26:28] to act on this by calling an action that
[1:26:31] there could be lawsuits against the
[1:26:32] city,
[1:26:33] >> it's called a mandamus. Well, uh, what
[1:26:36] could happen if the board, even though
[1:26:38] it's coming to us, said, "No, we don't
[1:26:41] want it on the ballot." Would there be
[1:26:42] any violation of the constitution in
[1:26:44] doing that?
[1:26:46] >> It would be it would be a mandamus,
[1:26:48] >> like voting no.
[1:26:49] >> Yeah. If you if you don't put it on the
[1:26:51] ballot, um, the petitioners would have
[1:26:54] grounds to sue for mandamus to force you
[1:26:57] to to fulfill your ministerial duty. Uh
[1:27:00] the packet did show a number of cities
[1:27:02] that were successful
[1:27:05] uh with this one being Fagatville,
[1:27:08] Rogers, looks like Bentonville and
[1:27:10] Springdale. Are there any who have
[1:27:13] completed this process, put it on the
[1:27:14] ballot, and it wasn't successful?
[1:27:16] >> Uh
[1:27:17] >> to your knowledge?
[1:27:18] >> Not to my knowledge.
[1:27:20] >> How has any kind of ballot measure like
[1:27:22] this ever been uh presented to voters in
[1:27:25] Hot Springs before?
[1:27:26] >> No. We we had we had the local option uh
[1:27:30] just for Sunday sales on on premise. Uh
[1:27:33] but the off- premise came along with uh
[1:27:36] the act was uh
[1:27:39] let's see act 294 of 2009
[1:27:43] um open this up to where you could have
[1:27:45] off-remise consumption sales for
[1:27:48] off-remise consumption.
[1:27:50] >> So is it is it then your um belief and I guess testimony. We're using legal
[1:27:59] terms that this isn't an ordinance on
[1:28:01] our agenda to alleviate this group from
[1:28:05] having to do further work to get it on
[1:28:07] the ballot, like cutting some red tape,
[1:28:09] per se. Are we alleviating that group
[1:28:11] from do from any additional work to get
[1:28:14] it placed on the ballot? You know,
[1:28:16] providing a uh an expedited process for
[1:28:18] the group. Are we doing any favors to
[1:28:21] this group or are we just following the
[1:28:23] constitution?
[1:28:24] >> We're just following Yeah. First of all,
[1:28:26] I never testify before you
[1:28:29] ever.
[1:28:31] Um,
[1:28:32] we we are doing our best to follow the
[1:28:35] Constitution that requires us when we
[1:28:38] receive the requisite numbers of a
[1:28:39] petition for referendum or initiative
[1:28:42] that we call an election.
[1:28:44] >> So, we're not doing we're not providing
[1:28:46] any favors for this group.
[1:28:48] >> Absolutely.
[1:28:48] >> Is that what you're saying?
[1:28:50] >> This isn't out of the norm, per se?
[1:28:52] >> No, sir. In your opinion? Okay.
[1:28:54] >> No, sir. there uh over the you know uh
[1:28:57] the the last 27 years there have been
[1:29:01] petitions that have that that have come
[1:29:03] to the city clerk's office and I think
[1:29:05] in every instance whether it was Lance Hudnull uh whether
[1:29:10] you know they have attempted to do
[1:29:14] everything that they could to assist
[1:29:17] them in the procedure but there's no
[1:29:20] favoritism here.
[1:29:22] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:29:24] Director Garcia.
[1:29:26] >> Thank you, Mayor. I interpreted this
[1:29:28] that uh we were just doing what was
[1:29:32] constitutionally correct. We're not uh
[1:29:35] in favor or not in favor. We're just
[1:29:38] putting
[1:29:40] what we're supposed to do to pass this
[1:29:43] to be on the ballot. But the county
[1:29:46] clerks already done the verification
[1:29:49] that the signatures, they've met
[1:29:51] everything. In the same vein that the uh
[1:29:55] state attorney general puts things on
[1:29:58] the ballot statewide, they're not
[1:30:00] endorsing anything, they're doing their
[1:30:04] uh what they're supposed to do to verify
[1:30:07] and get on stat statewide ballots. I
[1:30:10] don't see us doing anything different.
[1:30:12] Each member of the board will vote how
[1:30:15] uh their conscience wants them to vote.
[1:30:18] And we're not doing anything out of
[1:30:22] ordinary uh for business in that this
[1:30:25] was a citywide
[1:30:28] um petition for it's just applying to
[1:30:31] the city limits in its current form to
[1:30:35] be voted on by the city residents.
[1:30:37] However, I'm not opposed for it going to
[1:30:40] the quorum court, but the county won't
[1:30:44] be voting on this, just city. Is that
[1:30:46] correct?
[1:30:47] >> It will be city-wide election, not a
[1:30:48] countywide election. Um I I think that
[1:30:51] the the perhaps the reason uh that the 33210
[1:30:56] uh ended up sending us to the 39206 [clears throat]
[1:31:02] is because the election commission is an
[1:31:04] arm of the county
[1:31:05] >> and they're the ones that put uh
[1:31:07] everything on the ballot and they need
[1:31:09] the they have to have this to put it on
[1:31:11] the ballot. Our vote.
[1:31:13] >> That's right.
[1:31:14] >> Okay. And so your your vote to put it on
[1:31:17] the ballot is certainly not a vote in
[1:31:19] favor of the measure.
[1:31:21] >> Yeah. It's not for or against. It's just
[1:31:24] to follow the constitution.
[1:31:26] >> And you know, if if you're against the
[1:31:27] measure, then you vote no at the polls.
[1:31:32] » All right.
[1:31:33] >> Or if you're for it, you vote for it. If
[1:31:35] you're not, you vote against it.
[1:31:36] >> Right.
[1:31:37] >> But it's city residents that will vote.
[1:31:39] >> That is correct.
[1:31:41] >> Director Web.
[1:31:42] >> Thank you, Mayor. um based upon the
[1:31:45] outcome um let's say it is you know on
[1:31:48] the ballot um um if the measure fails
[1:31:52] there's there isn't any action uh and
[1:31:54] this is through the vote of the people
[1:31:56] at the ballot if the measure fails there
[1:31:58] isn't any action the city does if the
[1:32:00] measure passes will this be something
[1:32:02] that comes back to the board to uh amend
[1:32:06] codes
[1:32:06] >> yes thank thank you for bringing that up
[1:32:08] and I I mentioned that in in passing I
[1:32:11] think at the end of uh uh the uh the
[1:32:14] VARF u if the voters approve the ballot
[1:32:16] measure, the board would need to amend
[1:32:18] the city code sections pertaining to
[1:32:19] Sunday sale of alcohol for off- premise
[1:32:22] consumption. And of course, the reason
[1:32:23] for that is because it's prohibited now,
[1:32:25] >> right?
[1:32:26] >> Um so you would you would have to amend
[1:32:28] your codes in order to deal with that.
[1:32:31] >> Okay?
[1:32:32] >> In order in order to give u give me to
[1:32:35] what the people have have enacted,
[1:32:38] >> right? So to clarify, this is a vote
[1:32:41] just to place it on the ballot to be
[1:32:43] given a choice to the people, not so
[1:32:45] much to vote in favor or against it.
[1:32:47] >> That's right. It is it is purely
[1:32:49] ministerial.
[1:32:50] >> Right. Thank you.
[1:32:52] >> We have one individual who signed up to
[1:32:54] speak on this, Mr. Tyler Draper. Please
[1:32:57] come forward. Restate your name,
[1:32:58] address, and district, please.
[1:33:05] » Good afternoon, y'all. My name is Tyler
[1:33:06] Draper, uh, district 5 chairperson for
[1:33:09] the, uh, keep our dollars in hot
[1:33:11] springs. So, uh, to clarify, we're a
[1:33:14] ballot question committee. We're
[1:33:16] registered through the ethics
[1:33:17] commission. We've reported all of our,
[1:33:20] uh, donations. We've taken about $35,000
[1:33:23] from Walmart and had, you know, support
[1:33:26] from uh, many places across Hot Springs.
[1:33:29] We already have al Sunday alcohol sales
[1:33:31] in the city. you just have to go drive,
[1:33:33] drink there, and then try to get back
[1:33:36] home. This puts it on the ballot and
[1:33:39] will allow the people to vote for or
[1:33:41] against having the freedom to buy at a
[1:33:44] store and take it to your house. This is
[1:33:48] not anything. Nobody gave me any favors.
[1:33:51] I've done background checks. I've sworn
[1:33:55] affidavits, followed all the new laws
[1:33:58] from the Secretary of State, turned in
[1:34:00] everything. uh no favors. Uh we've had
[1:34:03] stores that support it, stores that
[1:34:05] oppose it, and uh that's fine with us.
[1:34:08] Let's put it to the people, and uh
[1:34:11] they'll decide if we can get it there.
[1:34:13] So, uh to be on the general election, we
[1:34:16] had the choice. We could have done this
[1:34:17] and put it on the primary election when
[1:34:20] the issue for y'all being paid was on
[1:34:23] there, but we decided, hey, we're going
[1:34:25] to put it on the general election to
[1:34:26] make sure we have, you know, the correct
[1:34:29] turnout and everybody gets their chance.
[1:34:31] So, uh, we followed, in my opinion, we
[1:34:35] followed all the laws. We've done
[1:34:36] everything right ethically. And uh I
[1:34:40] don't see uh any any favors and I would
[1:34:43] just like for the city and the county to
[1:34:46] put on the ballot. We could have had
[1:34:47] this countywide, but the amount of
[1:34:50] signatures and the amount of time we
[1:34:53] decided, hey, let's just try it in the
[1:34:55] city first and if we're successful,
[1:34:58] maybe it could go to the county in
[1:35:00] another attempt next time. If we fail,
[1:35:02] oh well, so be it. zone. Uh we just want
[1:35:05] the people to decide for uh we're a
[1:35:07] tourism town. People come here from
[1:35:09] Texas and Tennessee all the time and get
[1:35:12] blindsided at the store on Sundays
[1:35:15] because their states already do this. So
[1:35:18] that was that's our plan is to make us
[1:35:20] competitive with other uh states around
[1:35:22] us and give people, you know, more
[1:35:25] freedom and less hassle. Thank y'all.
[1:35:27] >> Any questions to Mr. Draper?
[1:35:31] >> Thank you.
[1:35:33] discussion amongst directors,
[1:35:36] director, trustee.
[1:35:37] >> Thank you, Mayor
[1:35:39] Brian. Being a former banker, I'm all
[1:35:41] about belts and suspenders. I get the I
[1:35:44] get the principle there. But on 97, page
[1:35:47] 97 of our packet, it talks about the end
[1:35:50] of that uh paragraph A, it says or.
[1:35:54] >> Yeah. And so it really is just
[1:35:59] doing what the other folks have done and
[1:36:01] having the quorum court call the
[1:36:03] election also.
[1:36:05] >> Yeah. So um [clears throat] I apologize
[1:36:08] for this in in some our barf goes into a system called I compass.
[1:36:14] >> Okay.
[1:36:15] >> And so sometimes the ores and the the page breaks and the so forth don't
[1:36:21] always jive up. Okay. Um, so the or
[1:36:24] under paragraph, see that's supposed to
[1:36:25] be a one and then or there was a two. B
[1:36:31] doesn't go with A. B stands by on its
[1:36:33] own.
[1:36:33] >> Okay.
[1:36:35] >> So, it would have been clearer had I
[1:36:37] just left A out.
[1:36:38] >> Gotcha.
[1:36:39] >> Um because that's where we are.
[1:36:41] >> All right. I don't have any problem
[1:36:43] asking court to place it on the ballot.
[1:36:46] Thank you,
[1:36:48] >> Director Web.
[1:36:49] >> Thank you, Mayor. Um, Brian, does this
[1:36:52] cost city any to put it on the ballot?
[1:36:56] Isn't there some cost involved to put a
[1:36:57] measure on the ballot to be voted on?
[1:36:59] There would be.
[1:36:59] >> And if it's a cost, where does that come
[1:37:01] from?
[1:37:02] >> General fund.
[1:37:04] >> Okay. Would it not be upon the
[1:37:05] responsibility of the party who's
[1:37:07] bringing the referendum to us to pay for
[1:37:10] the cause to put it on the ballot?
[1:37:12] >> It is not.
[1:37:15] >> Is it not at ever any time to do that?
[1:37:19] What what is the cost in approximate
[1:37:22] value?
[1:37:22] >> Um we had an estimate the last election
[1:37:25] um
[1:37:25] >> about $1,800. Is that what you said the
[1:37:28] last time?
[1:37:28] >> It depends on what else is on the
[1:37:30] ballot. The um the Garland County
[1:37:32] Election Commission will take everything
[1:37:34] that is on the ballot and divide that up
[1:37:36] between the school district, the city,
[1:37:38] the whatever's on the ballot.
[1:37:40] >> And and and so in a general election, it
[1:37:43] should be less than it would be in a
[1:37:45] special
[1:37:46] >> special.
[1:37:48] Okay. Would it I mean would it be
[1:37:50] $160,000?
[1:37:53] >> Okay.
[1:37:54] >> Usually three four.
[1:37:55] >> Yeah.
[1:38:00] » No other questions. Please call the
[1:38:02] role.
[1:38:03] >> Director Garcia.
[1:38:04] >> I.
[1:38:05] >> Trusty.
[1:38:06] >> I.
[1:38:06] >> Beard.
[1:38:07] >> I.
[1:38:08] >> Do Smith.
[1:38:08] >> I.
[1:38:09] >> Webb.
[1:38:10] >> I.
[1:38:10] >> Mayor McCabe.
[1:38:11] >> I. The ordinance is adopted and the item
[1:38:15] will be put forward to the voters.
[1:38:18] Um that concludes the action items that
[1:38:21] we will act on today. There we're under
[1:38:25] board uh items for discussion.
[1:38:29] Board members have any items they'd like
[1:38:30] to discuss?
[1:38:34] Hearing none. We do have a uh public
[1:38:37] comment session after for a couple
[1:38:40] reports, but uh Director Garcia.
[1:38:43] >> Thank you, Mayor. I move to adjourn.
[1:38:47] Second
[1:38:48] >> director web seconded. All in favor
[1:38:51] signify by saying I. I.
[1:38:53] >> I post same sign.