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3,000 to 4,000 to 5,000 students voted.

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The Council of Public Finance and Authority to Order, Madam Clerk may have the roll call, please.

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Councilman Grohl, here. Councilman Kennedy, here. Mayor Pro Temtoyne, here. Mayor McKean, here.

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Councilman Burns, Councilwoman Vander Marker, Councilman Williams, all present.

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All right, Madam Clerk, do we have any supplemental communications?

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Yes, we have one supplemental communication on item number 10.

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One email received regarding conference with legal counsel,

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existing litigation concerning grants part versus city of Huntington Beach.

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Okay, do we have any sign-up to speak in person or on Zoom for a close session?

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We do not.

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All right.

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So including close session,

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we have conference related negotiators, government code section 549-57.6.

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Agency designated representatives, Travis Hopkins City Manager,

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Also in attendance, Mr. Sir, Assistant City Manager, Mike Bigley Audit, City Attorney in

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Zaxi, Act in Chief Financial Officer, Employer Organization, The Employer Organization,

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The United States Police Officer, the Association, the Police Management Association,

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Hunting to Beach Firefighters Association, and Fire Management Association.

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And then we have conference with the Rope Property negotiators, Government Code Section 5495-6.8.

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Property APN Numbers 1-10-151-1010-151-11.

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Agency to goshaders, Travis Hopkins City Manager,

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Mr. Services and City Manager,

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actually I saw a Director of Community and Library Services, Chris Cole.

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To be a Library Services Manager, William Curl,

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Real Estate Project Manager,

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negotiating parties, Gary Brime and Termin,

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not President,

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Under Negotiations, Price and Terms of Payment,

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Council of Emotion and a Second to Resess the Close Session.

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Motion. Yeah, I'm Mayor. Yeah, I just want to point out we won't we don't have a close

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session item for the Labor on P.O.A. Okay, and Mayor, if I could jump into Southwest

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Voter Education Project, we're pulling that off the agenda as well. Thank you.

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All second. All right, motion a second to recess the close session.

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We're meeting the regular meeting of the City Council of Public Finance and Authority, Madam Clerk may have the roll call, please.

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Councilman Grohl, Kennedy, Mayor Pro Temtoyney, Mayor McKeean, Councilman Burns, Councilwoman

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Vendor Marker, Councilman Williams, all present.

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It's a nice invocation. We'll be hinted to each police and fire chaplain, Roger Wing.

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Please join me in prayer as we begin this evening's meeting.

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Heavenly Father, you tell us in your Word that if any of you lacks wisdom, let a mask of God, who gives to all

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liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him.

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So we begin tonight's meeting.

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We want to start by praying for that wisdom right now.

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We come before you this evening Lord recognizing the responsibility that's been entrusted to this city council.

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As these Council members deliberate and make decisions concerning important issues facing

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our city, we ask for your guidance, or just give them wisdom to understand the issues

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clearly, discernment to recognize what's right and beneficial to our community, and the

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courage to make difficult decisions when necessary.

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Father, we also pray for unity, help this Council to work together with mutual respect, even

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when there are differences of opinion.

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Remind each member that their ultimate responsibility

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is to serve the people of this community faithfully

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and honorably.

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And above all, we ask for peace.

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But calm and thoughtful discussion

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prevail over division, frustration, or personal agendas.

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If summer winds down, we pause to thank you

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for your goodness and protection over our community.

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Thank you for a safe and blessed summer.

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for the many families and vendors visitors who have enjoyed our beaches, businesses, events and

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our city's hospitality.

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Thank you for the men and women who have worked tirelessly throughout these busy months

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to keep our community safe and welcoming.

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Lord, we recognize that every safe journey, every protected family and every day of blessing

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is ultimately a gift from you.

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As we move toward the fall season, we ask that you continue to watch over our city.

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Give wisdom to our elected leaders, strengthen safety to our first responders and city employees,

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and peace and prosperity to the people we're privileged to serve.

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May we never take your blessings for granted, but always remember to give you the thanks and glory that you deserve.

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May every decision it's made here tonight be guided by wisdom, shaped by integrity,

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and directed toward the well-being of our city, and it's in the name Jesus Christ, our

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precious Lord and Savior, we pray these things. Amen.

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Thank you, Roger.

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Tonight at the Pledge of Allegiance, we'll be left by John Vaskas of American Legion

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Post 133. John a listed in the United States Air Force in 2003 at the recent inspired by

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the events of 9-11. He served in computer systems operations, performing cybersecurity roles

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during two years at Ramstein Air Force Base in Germany.

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A statesite tour and an overseas deployment

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in support of the global war on terrorism.

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He was medically retired in 2011 and is the recipient

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of several awards including the Air Force Commodation,

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the Air Force Achievement and the Global War

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in Terrorism Expeditionary and Service Metals.

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worked for Boeing Space and Intelligence Systems

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as a system security engineer

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to curing classified satellite ground stations later consulting for a cybersecurity software company and eventually found in his own local cybersecurity consulting business.

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He's an active member of the American Legion, Hind to Beach Post 133,

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serving as a board member, the California Boys State Chairman, and as part of the honor guard and color guard.

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John's wife, Heather, are celebrating 19 years of marriage next week, and have two children who attend Reena High School, go Vikings, a Maysive Youth Middle School.

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Thank you for your service, John.

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Please remember for cover.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you, John.

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All right, close session report. City Attorney, do we have anything to report from close session?

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Thank you, Mary. Yes, two things tonight. The first one is in the city council.

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unanimously authorized city defile petition for receivership at 1 9 9 2 1

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carmenia lane.

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the second to council unanimously authorized the city to

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file an appeal of the anti the anti-slap motion and the denial of the city's

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cross complaint in the people of state of California versus city of Huntington Beach.

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And that's it. Thank you. Council member comments when anyone

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I want to say yesterday, the Huntington Club, well, it actually was all week in, it was

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dink it up for the troops, tee it up for the two troops, that they had tennis, but they

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raised a lot of money for the troops and the mark and Leslie Mays led the fundraiser

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and they did an incredibly awesome job at it, and I just want to give them a hat.

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up for that. Thank you. Anybody else, sir? Andrew. Yeah, I just want to take a quick moment.

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A couple weeks ago, actually, it was probably over a month ago. We were having a conversation

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and we were talking about the homeless population and I used the term gypsy in reference to a

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lot of the homeless individuals, not necessarily recognizing and many people might not know this,

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that it's actually a derogatory term in regards to the Romani people. So I had a resident

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reach out very kind, very objective, and just kind of talking to me about it.

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We had a good conversation about the history.

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I didn't even know that it was an ethnic group that stressed all the way back centuries

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or originated in northern India, my great and throughout Europe and beyond.

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And they've also faced generation of discrimination, persecution, et cetera.

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So, you know, I just wanted to make a public statement about that.

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In addition to the fact that I think it's really important that we constantly try and learn,

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and that's the beauty of being a council member is when you talk to residents, you learn things

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otherwise didn't know about. So, just wanted to publicly make note of that and also thank

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the resident who reached out to me and talked to me about that. Second, it's school season and

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you're going to start seeing the e-biker's all over the place if you haven't already done so

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in the summertime. The Huntington Beach Police Department isn't just the premier department

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when it comes to safety and promotion of good safety tricks and tips, etc., when it comes to e-bikes

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and making sure that this city is really kind of the north star in regards to that. But also

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parents, grandparents, neighbors, friends. It's incumbent upon us to make sure that kids are

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wearing the right helmets, face helmets are always important. But most importantly, if you see

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kids riding around with their helmets not strapped, I mean, let them know one fall that takes care of it

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right there. I mean, you know, we've seen some horrible stories in the news. And it also I would

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encourage parents and families out there to take a look at the Huntington Beach Police Department

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social media. They're posting a lot about e-bike safety courses, classes, you name it. And there's

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obviously a lot of work that we've been doing on council, especially through the ad hoc committee

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in regards to e-bike ordinances and e-bikes safety.

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So, a little public service announcement there.

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in the streets, there was a press release recently about a man

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that was hit while going across the street

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in his wheelchair fatal accident.

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And I think what really hits me there

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is just this realization that sometimes we forget

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we're all living out, you know, our dash in life.

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And you never know, you know, when you're going outside that door, if that's the last time you go out the door,

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and it kind of gets you thinking about, you know, what are the things that really matter the most important things in life?

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And there's definitely time and place to argue about things, but you know, we could do it in such a way where we're not, you know, argumentative,

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and I was even thinking about, you know, Roger Wings prior there, just that prayer for unity.

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And so I do think that the things that, you know, we unite on our far greater than the differences that we have.

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I would love nothing more than to see just a lot of love really restore to the community and even up here on the council

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I love all of you and I mean it just it's really hitting me the things that really matter the most that man did not know

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That that was his last day's family members didn't know that was it and you got to kind of think sometimes

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Is that really the way that you would have liked to have left it or were you've gone back and wish you could have done things differently and so it's a big take away

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for me. So I just wanted to share that.

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Thank you everybody else.

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I'll just say since the last meeting, we had an amazing week of the U.S. Open of Surfing.

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It started off with the relocation of the International Surf Museum to the Main Street Library on that Friday, which was really special moment.

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If you have not been yet to see it, it's incredible, very well curated.

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I think the library for being great roommates, something that the galleries are just really impressive.

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Mel Craig, I read it, and I refurbished the silver surfer.

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There's actually three silver surfers in the world.

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That was a promotion piece for a movie, so if you walk into the right,

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it's really impressive how big that silver surfer is.

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To the left is a great gift shop, so it's very well done.

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I'd recommend visiting that just up the fourth block, short walk up.

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Then of course, then we had the surfers walk of fame,

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walk of fame ceremony, daughter of some inductees, which is a great day.

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And then the next day was the Hall of Fame at HSS, which is just always a special moment.

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Those two back to back and just remind us that we're a service to the USA.

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You know, that's a soul of Huntington Beach and all the community gets behind it.

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And then it's the US Open and Serpent itself.

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It was incredible.

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If you guys remember the weather was really tropical.

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The WSL judges said it was some of the best ways they've ever seen.

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The weather was off the charts.

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It was the 50th anniversary of the World Surfing League.

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and also the 50th anniversary of P.T. Townen's first World Surfing Lake Championship.

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So just a fun event and then Councilor McKinney and I got to go on stage for the finals

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and give the trophy and seeing the young surfers and actually the finals for the men's, the

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local HP contest that was defeated in the very last wave and dramatic fashion.

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So it was just a great event, really, you know, it's one of our premier events every year.

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I think we did, and when it's really proud, I really appreciate public safety, police and

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fire, and marine safety, all the staff, and all you mirror everybody that was down there

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to make it go off that occasion.

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Report SIR is one of the most successful as well.

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All the sales for every day set up, set new records, I think, Saturday alone, there's over

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$100,000 in sales just on March 10th, so I really appreciate it, and it's really proud to be

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a part of that.

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All right, going on to the Adolfo with Petta the Month, tonight we have Denise Woodside,

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from O.C. Animal Care, with the double pets of the month, we're going to mix it up with

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some felines. So Denise, please tell us more about Wyatt Earp and Buffalo Bill.

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Good evening. My name is Denise, and I am joined by our volunteer Michael, and we have

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today Wyatt Earp and Buffalo Bill. We wanted to shed light on the fact that we have many

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wonderful animals available for adoption at O.C. Animal Care. Usually we bring dogs, but

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We have brought cats with us today.

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These are brothers that came into us on July 1st and they went into foster care.

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After some time in foster care, then they became available for adoption.

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And they are still looking for their forever home.

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So they are available at O.C. Animal Care, or located in Tustin.

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And you can start viewing our animals whether it be this duo or our other pets online.

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at O.C.Pet Info.com under Adaptable Animals.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, you probably want to.

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I know Grace is a big one.

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I hope you find somebody who can take them both.

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A beautiful, beautiful brothers.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Denise.

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Four months old.

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All right, now we're moving on to the business highlight portion of the meeting.

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and so we want to continue to celebrate the businesses that invest in

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housing beach and strengthen our local economy so we'll welcome these new

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businesses sharing up the internet upcoming state of service city

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partnership with on to beach chamber commerce and highlight three local

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businesses through a minute with the mayor's series. So businesses continue to

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choose housing beach as their home bring new jobs services dining,

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shopping and entertainment options to our community. This week we're

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featuring some of our newest businesses that are now open or coming soon

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throughout Heinz and Beach. So we just really want to encourage everyone to shop local and support these businesses and discover what's new in our community.

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So now open is a two-bell-up Pacific City, Blackbird Books and Coffee at 7971 Talbert, the Hawaiian Kitchen at 7351.

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1 1 1, Avenue, cross motion view, grace, grace, 6502 Bolsa, Pasta Viva, 3303, S.E.V. Laser at 1 9 0 7 1 Beach Boulevard,

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Taco Smodger at 1 6 8 2 1, Algonquin, S. S. Leven Kia, a fine to beach on Beach Boulevard.

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Sol, he's got a new business, the waves, market and spirits at 1 8 5 8 2 Beach Boulevard.

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So please go check them out. And this year we're going to mix it up with the state of the city. So we're

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to unveil our newly adapted and formatted state of

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search city.

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Present an partnership with the honey to beach chamber

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commerce.

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This year's event will be at Pieroplaaza.

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I know there's some questions before, but attending and being able to attend

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so this year will be free at Pieroplaaza and feature a built-in

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HBXBO, which showcases the businesses, non-profits, and community partners that

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help make kind to beach such a great place to live, work, and visit.

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So from five to six, we'll have the state of the search city program,

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including a year and review presentation from the chamber.

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I'll give my state of the city address and in a bridge fire side chat moderated by the Orange County Business Council featuring several prominent local business voices.

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So following the main event the Chamberlain of Atticative reception at Sandy's Beachack.

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So please come on out.

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Continue with the meeting with the mayor.

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We're highlighting three local businesses that are making an impact on Huntington Beach.

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So first up is Pro Beauty Center, which is a family of business across from marine high school.

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that has been helping the community look and feel it's best for more than 26 years.

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In this episode, former mayor Burns joins me in manager Alexander Quant to learn more about

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how properties, property centers become a trusted destination for professional hair care, skincare,

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cosmetics, K-buty products, and you need gifts, so be sure to check them out at

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Endanger Avenue, like I said, across from Marina.

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Page B, a mayor Casey McKin, a special guest, previous mayor Pat Burns,

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today's episode admitted with the mayors, takes us down to across from Marina High School,

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Bring the old manager to Pro Beauty. Let's go meet Alex in the honor.

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Alex tells about Pro Beauty.

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Yeah, so Pro Beauty is a family owned beauty store that's been here since 1999.

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We currently sell professional hair care, skincare, accessories,

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Korean beauty products, and we also have professionals that do salons services and

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a fictional as well.

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Does it like if someone came into the first time

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what do you guys really specialize or focus on?

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Yeah, we specialize in personal touch.

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So whatever you come in looking for,

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we try to find what your needs are,

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and offer the right product, and the right advice.

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That's incredible.

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You guys have been here for 27 years,

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and it looks like you guys are doing great,

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and how long do you plan on being here?

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Well, my parents started it,

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and I came on board to carry the torch forward.

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So I hope to continue serving the community

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and keep the business going as long as I can.

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Well, thanks.

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Thank you so much.

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That's another local gym right here in Nice Beach.

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It's from the shop local.

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I keep searching for it.

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See you at the next stop.

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What's up, Paige?

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All right, next up.

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We're going to a Luxor garage door service.

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So they're locally on garage door service

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company and in this episode owner Roy Bartowell and Paul Clethero share more about Luxor's

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commitment to quality residential and commercial garage door installation repair and maintenance.

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Up by the TV, this episode of Minute with the Mayor takes us down to Luxor garage door service

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right up for Gothard and Ellis. Let's go meet the team.

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Roy tells about Luxor garage door service.

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Yeah Luxor garage door service has been a business here in Hangover about 15 years.

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It's high in garage doors, we've been installing all the way down the lake and a nice garage door to tune up if the garage door is just a little squeaky or no easy

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So you guys actually do like repair so you know not just full like replacement if you actually come out and repair your current garage door

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Yeah, yeah, we can repair the door whatever the issue might be or service it

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And why do you guys choose not need to be stroking up the business?

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I've lived here for 30 years, so I love the community

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Yeah, it's great being here

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I love to get back to the people that have my name or status

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That's great.

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And what would you guys say

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such as you apart from other like

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restaurant or service companies?

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We're not like a mobile service,

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like most would be operating out of their house.

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We're an actual real brick and mortar

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with a showroom.

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We got a fleet of vehicles here on this law

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and we're trusting and reliable that way.

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And then what did lastly,

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what would you guys say just love

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with all serve and hydration?

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And just the community alone is a great city

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to work in, the people, the homes.

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Everything about it, right?

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Yeah, that's great.

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This is our favorite city

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We're happy and proud for you guys.

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We're just up in the door to another local gym right here at 9th of each. Remember to support local and keep

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service city thriving. See you at the next stop.

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Whoo!

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And then finally, meet Champagne's kitchen so they took over the eye hop on Main Street. It went to

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family owned, family owned, Orange County restaurant, bringing more than 35 years of hospitality

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and scratch-made food on each and beach. So in this episode, Mayor Protem, Twining,

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councilwoman, Vanna Mark and I joined Champagne's kitchen owner Matt Toby to learn more about

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restaurant and it's a new location on Main Street.

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HB, a Mayor Casey McKin, before Mayor Gracie Vandermark, a Mayor

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Protem Bush Twine, and today's episode of Mid-At-the-Mayors takes us down

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the Champaign's Kitchen right at Made in Olive. Let's go meet the

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owner man.

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Tell us about Champaign's Kitchen. Thanks for coming in yeah Champaign's

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Kitchen is a three-meal restaurant with breakfast lunch and dinner. I think

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everyone is known as a breakfast spot but we have a really great dinner

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program as well. We do full service at nights and we have a full bar and a

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cafe, so we kind of want to be something for everyone, you know, mom, dad, everybody can

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come and grab something.

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And then LA, you guys open the door.

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I don't have to tell 10 o'clock every night, which I can go open it eight every morning.

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Breakfast still two every day.

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The full server starts at four, so we take reservations, we've got servers, we've got servers,

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we've got more, awesome cocktail program, and great happy hour.

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I was just going to ask you about a happy hour, what day is one time for that?

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So there's always something going on on a champagne, we've got a happy hour from 2 to 6

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Monday from Friday. We've got our beautiful pizzas for 15 dollars. We've got drink specials.

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Mondays is half off our entire wine program. So half off bottles, no cork, it's VM Mondays.

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We've got 20% off for locals on Tuesdays. Tuesdays is such an amazing day to be on Main Street,

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downtown with the Street Fair. So we want our locals to come and check it out, support it,

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and come and get 20% off here. And then steak night and Wednesdays and kids eat free on Thursdays.

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Nice.

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The

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local gym, right here in the 90's.

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It's written at a dying local and keeps their city

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thriving.

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See you at the next up.

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Cheers, cheers.

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You.

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So thank you to all the businesses that continue

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to invest in 90's and beach and contribute

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to our local economy.

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Like I said, we really appreciate your partnership,

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your investment, and your commitment to our community.

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Next we have the committee of end announcements.

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Madam Clerk, please call for the committee of end announcements.

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The city council will now receive announcements

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for community events only, community announcements are accepted in person.

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Please queue in the designated area along the stairs and use either podiums, state your

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name and organization for the record.

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Each organization is a lot of two minutes for its announcements.

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Please use both podiums.

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Okay, it is better to debate a question without settling in it than to settle a question

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without debating it.

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Service City decides is a debate at our HP Senior Center in Central Park on Wednesday, September 16th from 6.30 to 8.30 pm in the large park view room.

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Protect HP is sponsoring the City Council candidate debate for 130,000 plus HP voters.

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Well, it all debates, but be as I am, not to victory, or an unjust interest.

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That's the moment.

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So take that.

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I hear the Protect HP is running this debate, and that they get to pick the candidate.

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And the questions, what?

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Time's up.

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Your information is wrong.

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Protect HP has only secured the venue and invited former HP Mares Eric Peterson and Jill Hardy to

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to be the debate moderators, as well as former HP City Clerk's Robin Eston as well, and

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her predecessor, Joan Flynn, to keep time and prompt candidates.

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This former City Hall team will decide and set all rules, the protocol, pace, and questions

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for the HP City Council candidates debate on stage.

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I've heard that 300 seats of the Senior Center are already full.

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But for HB people to sign up for the wait list, you can go to this QR code, or you can go to protect HB social media, or write to HB citizens for good governance at gmail.org.

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I think there needs to be definitely more people included. HB needs to hear our candidates.

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You are right, the HB debate on September 16, 630 to 830 PM will be live streamed.

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All candidates that qualified with our current city clerk have been invited, and

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invite these ease when over-even.

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Thank you.

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Is that it, Madam Clerk?

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Oh, I took the thing.

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State your name, please.

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Jason Schredz, city treasurer, good evening, council members.

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I want to share a quick update regarding the three-week financial literacy and workforce development

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program we just completed at Golden Musk College.

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We ended up having a 30-in-a-visual sign-up for the program from across Huntington Beach,

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Westminster, Fountain Valley, and Garden Grove.

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Students learned about basic financial ideas to help them manage their money better.

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Moreover, 20 panelists shared their insights about their careers in technology, hospitality,

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healthcare, manufacturing, non-profit, and government.

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We handed out over $2,000 in financial awards and provided scholarships for additional

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educational opportunities focused on building career skills.

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Seeing the smile on participants faces in the tears in their eyes that people were able

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were actually willing to invest in them and their futures was truly inspiring.

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None of this would have been remotely possible without the amazing partnership of Golden

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West College, Youth Investor Corps, the United Way of Orange County, Junior achievement,

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working wardrobes, the Huntington Beach Chamber of Commerce, and the cities of Garden

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Grove, Found Valley, Westminster, and Supervisor Janet Wins Office, as well as all the panelists

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who took time out of their busy schedules to share words with the participants, including

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our very own chief McCoy.

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Thank you all so much, and I cannot wait to work together with all of them again.

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This is coming here as we build out more cross city programming to positively influence the

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lives of our residents.

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Thank you.

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Moving to public comments, before we begin public comments, I would like to announce that

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soon to new state legislation, Senate Bill 707, public comics will be accepted both in-person

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or remotely via Zoom.

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The City Clerk will not read profane of scene or otherwise inappropriate Zoom display

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names or identifiers.

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Restructions for providing comments on Zoom can be found on the agenda cover page and on

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the City Council City Clerk web page.

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The City Clerk will provide instructions for participating in public comment, Madam Clerk,

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how many speakers do we have?

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Before we go to public speakers, let me read you the supplemental communications.

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Thank you.

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On the city manager's report, number 18, sports complex audit, finance, commission presentation

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and sports complex, landfill, gas, monitoring, extraction systems, analysis, receive from

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Travis Hopkins, city manager pertaining to the proposed improvements of the Huntington Beach

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Sports Complex, one email received pertaining to the sports complex.

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On the consent calendar, item number 22, one email received regarding the execution of

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agreement with the Riverside County Sheriff's Office and partner law enforcement agencies

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to participate in the fiscal year 2025 operations stone garden grant.

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Administrative items, item number 26, 2025, 26, Huntington Beach Financial Review, Public

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the expenditures and MOU focus presentation received from Council and Don Kennedy pertaining to the

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introduction of the proposed member and of understanding with Huntington Beach Police Officers

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Association. Item number 27, one email received regarding the approval of the design and the

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language for the American 250 celebration plaque at Pier Plaza and updated plaque rendering

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received from Mayor Casey McKeeam. And now we will move on to public speakers. We have 27

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speakers in person and one speaker on Zoom. We'll begin with the Zoom speaker. Okay.

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Go.

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It is your turn to speak.

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Please unmute yourself and begin speaking now.

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On a good evening Mayor McKin, Pet Goodman, I want to speak about agenda item 26, and June, this council approved a budget that exposed 31 million structural deficit.

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About half was a dream.

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The rest by eliminating unfilled positions without laying off employees and by reducing transfers to the general liability and retiree, supplemental funds.

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The remaining approximately 15 million was covered by growing down general fund reserve from 96 million to 80 million.

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And this isn't just a one-year problem, city's projection shows structural deficits continuing over the next five years.

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We cannot continue increasing expenditures without identifying sustainable recurring revenues to pay for them.

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That brings me to item 26.

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The police officers and MOU are police officers, they're fair and competitive compensation.

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So, to all of our city employees, but I'm concerned that an 8% increase in base salaries

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is not sustainable given our financial outlook.

453
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Where will the recurring revenue come from?

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Honey Beach is facing almost no home building, declining sales tax revenue and an aging

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population.

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I don't see those factors producing the revenue growth needed to support continually increasing

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person now costs. I have to question the timing. This MOU comes just a little more than two months

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before an election. Police and fire unions have considerable influence in our local elections

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and offer highly sought after endorsements. For that reason, I recommend that the council

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postpone this item until after the election. Give the next council the opportunity to consider

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the significant long-term financial commitment without any appearance of political influence.

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If you approve it tonight, I urge every council member to be transparent with voters about

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the long-term costs and how you intend to fund it.

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On a positive note, I do appreciate the presentation on the Sports Complex, the Finance Commission

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staff have made the thoughtful recommendations to improve the facility and increase its revenue.

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I encourage voters to watch the September 16th City Council candidate debate at 630 p.m. moderated by

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former mayor's Jill Hardy and Eric Peterson. I expect the budget and police ammo you will be important topics.

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Thank you. Have a good meeting.

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The City Council will now receive public comments for any topic, including items on the open session agenda.

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If you are here to provide in person comments for open session, your number will be called.

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Once your number is called, Q and the designated area along the stairs.

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You see the podium and state your name if you would like it reflected in the minutes.

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Numbers 1 through 10, please come to the front.

474
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Oh, my apologies.

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Number 40 through 50, please come to the front, Q at the stairs and please use both podiums.

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Good evening, City Council members.

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My name is Mary Mattis, and I'm here today requesting that the city would please consider

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adding a pedestrian safety measure at the four-way intersection of 11-street Lake Street

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and Memphis Avenue, such as a flashing stop sign or quashlock signal.

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This is especially important for pedestrians crossing from Memphis Street to Lake Park

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and it is the city's responsibility to help ensure their safety.

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This crosswalk is used every day by students, families, and community members walking

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school going to the park and traveling around the neighborhood. I personally

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use this crosswalk on my way to Dwyer Middle School as well as when I turn on

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to Lake Street so I can ride my bike to junior lifeguards in the summer. Although

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there's already a four-way stop sign at this intersection, many drivers do not

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always come to a complete stop nor notice pedestrian stride across. This creates

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00:39:28,220 --> 00:39:32,540
a seriously dangerous situation especially in the mornings when kids are walking

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school or heading to activities. A flashing feature would help get driver's attention, remind

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them to stop and make this crossing safer for everyone. A small improvement like this could

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prevent a serious accident and protect children, families, and all pedestrians who use this area.

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I am asking the city to please consider installing this very much important safety measure.

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Making our streets safer is something that benefits the entire Honeyton Beach community.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for your time and consideration on the significant matter.

496
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What was the intersection again?

497
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11th Street Lake Street and Memphis Avenue.

498
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Could you guys fill out a blue card? We'll follow up with you.

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And, well done.

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Thank you.

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Mayor McKinney City Council members. My name is Frank Lagrosso and I am the current chairman of the city of

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as an end business owner in the city of Huntington Beach.

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The City Council has requested the Finance Commission's input on numerous occasions regarding

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the financial matters of the city.

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As a matter of fact, the Commission has a presentation tonight regarding our findings and

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recommendations regarding one of the city's largest assets, the Sports Complex.

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I think you'll find tonight's presentation professional and the recommendations beneficial.

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This is what the Finance Commission does, and not so modestly, I believe we do it well.

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But the Finance Commission cannot provide the City Council with our input unless you ask

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us to.

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That is why I am asking this City Council to request that the same fact-finding by the Finance

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Commission in regards to the POA MOU.

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The Finance Commission will be able to take a sober look at the MOU and supporting information

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00:41:30,820 --> 00:41:36,970
and provide the City Council with recommendations just as beneficial as the ones you'll hear tonight and

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devoid of any political considerations.

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I'm asking for you to let us do the job for which you appointed us.

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I thank you for your time.

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Thank you.

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00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:50,000
Next speaker, please.

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Good evening.

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00:41:56,300 --> 00:41:58,680
Mayor, members of the City Council.

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Thank you for your time today.

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00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:03,960
My name is Reed Parker, and I'm currently a detective here at Huntington Beach Police Department.

524
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,960
Making the Honey Beach Police Department competitive in today's job markets and the clear

525
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,740
straightforward message that our city values its officers and is committed to supporting

526
00:42:13,740 --> 00:42:14,800
them.

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00:42:15,140 --> 00:42:19,660
The reality of police recruiting today is more challenging than ever, law enforcement agencies

528
00:42:19,660 --> 00:42:24,980
nationwide are competing for the limited pool of qualified candidates and without competitive

529
00:42:24,980 --> 00:42:28,260
compensation and benefits, departments simply fall behind.

530
00:42:29,380 --> 00:42:33,380
When I first started with HBPD, our staffing levels were over 230.

531
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,160
Today at numbers fallen below 200.

532
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,460
Three years ago, my partner up in the detective bureau was promoted,

533
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and he has yet not been replaced.

534
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,300
His case flow did not disappear.

535
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We just simply absorbed it.

536
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:50,600
Officers have real choices today.

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00:42:50,980 --> 00:42:53,540
They can move to surrounding agencies offering better pay,

538
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,620
superior benefit packages, or better working conditions.

539
00:42:56,620 --> 00:43:01,320
others choose and have chosen to leave this profession entirely.

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00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:09,160
If we fail to maintain competitive compensation, we will continue losing experienced, highly trained officers to retirement,

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or to neighboring departments that are willing to invest in them.

542
00:43:14,140 --> 00:43:16,560
The successor contract addresses that problem directly.

543
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It positions HPPD to attract top tier recruits, while retaining the veteran officers we can't afford to lose.

544
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:30,820
It shows that CD leadership understands today's competitive landscape and is proactive about closing the pay gap.

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00:43:31,740 --> 00:43:37,580
When a department is properly staffed with experience officers, the benefits to our community are immediate and two-fold.

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One, stronger community connections.

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Officers who aren't burned out from constant over time are sharper, safer, and more effective.

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00:43:47,340 --> 00:43:53,500
They have the time to build real trust with residents and practice proactive relationship

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00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:58,300
focused policing, to proactive public safety.

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00:43:58,900 --> 00:44:03,720
Without full staffing, a department is forced to be purely reactive, running from called

551
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:06,160
a call instead of preventing crime before it happens.

552
00:44:07,140 --> 00:44:12,480
A fully staff fairly compensated police department creates safer neighborhoods, enhances

553
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is the quality of life for all hunting to each residents, and ensures our officers can take pride

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in the work rather than just surviving through their shifts.

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The agreement positions HPPD as a top tier agency in the region and demonstrates to our officers

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that this council truly values their dedication, their families, and their future.

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I respectfully ask that you support this contract, and I thank you.

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Have a good evening.

559
00:44:43,070 --> 00:44:45,630
Thank you.

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00:44:45,850 --> 00:44:46,570
Next speaker, please.

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00:44:46,970 --> 00:44:47,490
Good evening, Council.

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00:44:47,930 --> 00:44:48,570
My name is Nicholas.

563
00:44:48,650 --> 00:44:50,070
I'm a police officer here.

564
00:44:50,210 --> 00:44:51,050
I'm in Eisenbeach.

565
00:44:51,370 --> 00:44:54,850
I'm currently assigned a patrol and I just finished two years as a school resource officer.

566
00:44:55,870 --> 00:44:59,650
The successor contract being discussed tonight is crucial to the future of HPPD.

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Especially right now when policing police recruiting has become incredibly competitive. The landscape has shifted dramatically.

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Departments across the state are fighting tooth and nail for a shrinking pool of qualified candidates.

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And if you're not offering competitive pay and benefits, you're going to be left behind.

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00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:27,140
Officers have options now. They are constantly seeing advertisements from competitor departments through social media, offering better pay, a better benefits package,

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or they can leave policing altogether and do something else entirely.

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Without keeping HPPD competitive, we are at risk of long experienced officers, we are

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a seismic.

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00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,440
We are at risk of losing experienced officers to retirement and to other agencies.

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This contract changes that.

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00:45:45,020 --> 00:45:49,380
It makes this competitive for new recruits and keeps seasoned veterans with decades of experience

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from walking out of the door and retiring.

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It tells officers that the city gets it.

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We understand the challenge we're willing to invest in being competitive for what's out there.

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When we do that, we hold onto the experience and leadership we need, and we start attracting quality candidates

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who otherwise might leave to another department.

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This isn't just about filling empty spots, it's about positioning HPPD to win in today's market

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and showing officers that their careers, their families, and their futures matter to city leadership.

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00:46:19,780 --> 00:46:20,500
Thank you very much.

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00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:22,320
Thank

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you.

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00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:25,420
Thank you.

588
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:26,540
Next speaker, please.

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00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:27,980
Good evening.

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00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,480
My name is Taylor, and I'm also detective with Huntington Beach Police Department.

591
00:46:32,540 --> 00:46:35,680
Before coming to Huntington Beach, I worked for the San Diego Police Department.

592
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,780
I made the decision to lateral Huntington Beach because I believed in this department

593
00:46:39,780 --> 00:46:43,300
in the community and the opportunity to build my career here.

594
00:46:44,340 --> 00:46:49,020
One of the reasons I left San Diego was because I have experienced first hand

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00:46:49,020 --> 00:46:54,300
what chronic, under staffing, and being less competitive, and compensation can do to police department.

596
00:46:55,140 --> 00:46:59,400
When a department is understaffed, the officers who remain don't simply have less work to do.

597
00:46:59,580 --> 00:47:05,800
They have more calls, more overtime, more cases, more responsibility, and less time to recover.

598
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:10,000
Eventually, that becomes a recruitment and we're in a retention problem.

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00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:15,060
Experience officers leave, which puts even greater burden on the officers who stay.

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Then, the department has a recruitment, they have to recruit and train replacements while

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continuing to operate short staff.

602
00:47:23,100 --> 00:47:25,840
That cycle is difficult to break once it gets started.

603
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,460
I see some of those same warning signs here in Huntington Beach that I saw in San Diego.

604
00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:35,780
Our department is already under staffed and we're competing with other agencies in Orange County

605
00:47:35,780 --> 00:47:37,460
for the exact same pool of applicants.

606
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,920
This successor contract acknowledges the reality we're facing in demonstrates that our city

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as a fundamental investment in the success of our community.

608
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,800
By properly supporting our police department,

609
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,020
we're not simply investing in our officers,

610
00:47:53,380 --> 00:47:55,920
we're investing in the safety, security, and prosperity

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00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,060
that every resident of Huntington Beach deserves.

612
00:47:58,620 --> 00:47:59,200
Thank you, guys.

613
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:05,820
Thank you, next speaker, please.

614
00:48:06,660 --> 00:48:08,460
Good evening, I'm Officer Bernard Ackens.

615
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,180
Well, good evening, Mayor and members of the City Council.

616
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I've been out at Akans, I'm out of the Honeybees Police Department for me all my

617
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,440
police department 18 years ago.

618
00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:23,240
During my time here, I've had the opportunity to see this department go through both

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challenging times as some very positive changes.

620
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,420
There was periods of roughly seven years when I was concerned about the direction we were

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heading.

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Officers were frustrated, morale was affected, and some officers, including myself, entertained

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00:48:37,020 --> 00:48:41,780
the idea of leaving for agencies offering better compensation and benefits.

624
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:47,780
But many of us stay, I personally told myself to see it through because I believe things

625
00:48:47,780 --> 00:48:48,480
would get better.

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And they did.

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We saw changes in leadership and employees began to feel that their concerns were being heard

628
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:00,780
and eventually the city approved a strong contract that demonstrated its commitment to

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its police department that made a difference not only in compensation but in morale and retention.

630
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:11,020
And today I work as the personnel background investigator for the UNGB Police Department.

631
00:49:11,620 --> 00:49:15,900
Excuse me, where I'm directly involved in recruiting and evaluating candidates.

632
00:49:16,380 --> 00:49:20,320
Through that assignment, I have the opportunity to network with numerous law enforcement agencies,

633
00:49:20,380 --> 00:49:22,840
both locally and outside the immediate area.

634
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,340
One thing I've learned is that recruiting quality police officer has become extremely competitive.

635
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,560
Some agencies have fewer recruitment challenges because the consistently,

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00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:37,000
maintain a tractor salary and benefit packages. Quality candidates have options and they pay attention

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00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:42,240
to compensation, benefits, organizational culture, and where they believe they can build a career.

638
00:49:42,940 --> 00:49:47,640
Even in the best circumstances of attracting top quality candidates in an uphill battle, but when

639
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:52,440
you throw in the fact that work outpaste on paying benefits compared to neighboring compartments,

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00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:57,660
it becomes more difficult. We're constantly posting positions and interviewing, yet we still can't

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00:49:57,660 --> 00:49:59,300
in the field gaps fast enough.

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00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:05,660
Good news is the Huntington Beach has something extremely valuable, a great reputation, and a great work environment.

643
00:50:06,100 --> 00:50:14,960
I've had the other agencies recommend candidates to Huntington Beach because they recognize that we have here, we recognize what we have here.

644
00:50:15,300 --> 00:50:18,100
We should be proud of that, but we also need to protect it.

645
00:50:18,180 --> 00:50:22,700
We need officers who are sharked, dedicated to committed to serving this community, not just bodies and uniforms.

646
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,360
That's what the competitive contract makes possible.

647
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It's less, it's less, it, it, it, it, it, it, it lets us attract the best talent, retain the

648
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:32,640
experience officers.

649
00:50:32,900 --> 00:50:35,300
We have, in our, in our risk of losing to retirement.

650
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,780
The successor contract is a step in the right direction, good officers are, and the foundation

651
00:50:39,780 --> 00:50:40,460
of everything.

652
00:50:41,260 --> 00:50:44,940
There, the ones responding to calls, protecting our schools, neighborhoods, and building

653
00:50:44,940 --> 00:50:48,680
the trust that keeps our community safe, and we're forced to hire from a smaller

654
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:53,660
pool of candidates, or a set of less qualified applicants just to fill positions where a compromise

655
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in that foundation.

656
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:59,800
My hope is that we continue to approach with future contracts so a hundred years becomes competitive with surrounding ages

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We don't want to find ourselves continue to play catch up all losing our ability to attract the type of candidates

658
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:09,300
We want to present in a city and serving the members of our community after working in recruitment

659
00:51:09,980 --> 00:51:11,760
Okay, thank you. All right

660
00:51:12,700 --> 00:51:13,540
Next speaker, please

661
00:51:13,540 --> 00:51:14,280
Hi,

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I'm off to Jay's post also with Huntington Beach PD. I also lateral to hear I was a supervisor at a previous agency

663
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,760
But I wanted to come forward to work for this great city as you heard this evening

664
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,760
this contract is a step in the right direction.

665
00:51:35,490 --> 00:51:41,050
The direction for the community, for public safety, the well-being of the Huntington Beach City employees,

666
00:51:41,710 --> 00:51:43,130
any investment in the future of Huntington Beach.

667
00:51:43,950 --> 00:51:48,030
A competitive contract attracts and retains quality officers

668
00:51:48,030 --> 00:51:49,390
that we desperately need.

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00:51:49,530 --> 00:51:50,990
The key is quality officers.

670
00:51:51,290 --> 00:51:55,570
Quality officers make for the cornerstone of a successful public safety program.

671
00:51:56,450 --> 00:51:58,490
Right now, police recruiting is incredibly competitive.

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00:51:58,490 --> 00:52:03,290
state wide, and without competitive pan benefits, as you've heard, hunting to beach falls behind.

673
00:52:04,210 --> 00:52:05,710
Officers are faced with these real-life choices.

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00:52:06,330 --> 00:52:08,150
Go somewhere else, leave policing altogether.

675
00:52:09,110 --> 00:52:12,890
Without this contract, we run the risk of losing the experience police officers to early retirement

676
00:52:12,890 --> 00:52:14,110
or to other agencies.

677
00:52:14,990 --> 00:52:19,570
And when veteran officers walk out the door, we lose that invaluable institutional knowledge,

678
00:52:19,710 --> 00:52:21,990
training and experience that took years to build.

679
00:52:22,690 --> 00:52:23,770
That's irreplaceable.

680
00:52:24,370 --> 00:52:29,430
The more we delay in this market, the gap widens, we do not dictate this labor market.

681
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:31,130
It dictates us.

682
00:52:31,590 --> 00:52:34,970
Neighboring departments are already offering more competitive packages and the gaps growing

683
00:52:34,970 --> 00:52:36,390
larger by the day.

684
00:52:37,630 --> 00:52:41,090
The longer we wait, the harder it becomes to attract quality candidates, the more difficult

685
00:52:41,090 --> 00:52:42,690
it is to retain the experience.

686
00:52:43,410 --> 00:52:47,090
Those officers who know the community of honey to beach, who are experts in the current

687
00:52:47,090 --> 00:52:51,210
public safety issues here in honey to beach, and who have developed the relationships with

688
00:52:51,210 --> 00:52:56,850
businesses and residents of Huntington Beach. It isn't about catching up with one or two competitors.

689
00:52:58,030 --> 00:53:04,030
It's about making sure that we can compete to attract quality candidates that reduce liability for the city.

690
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:07,970
With a workforce that's already stretched thin and burning out on overtime,

691
00:53:09,010 --> 00:53:12,410
losing institutional knowledge doesn't serve Huntington Beach very well.

692
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:16,590
It can lead to slower response times, less proactive policing,

693
00:53:16,590 --> 00:53:23,920
We hear community relationships and it fosters a department that is always in a reactive mode and playing catch-up.

694
00:53:25,980 --> 00:53:33,180
We heard we are currently understaffed the Public Policy Institute of California has found in recent studies that the crime reducing benefits

695
00:53:33,180 --> 00:53:43,460
of hiring just one additional qualified officer exceeds the average budgetary cost and results in at minimum three fewer violent crimes

696
00:53:43,460 --> 00:53:46,620
and 4.2 fewer property crimes per year.

697
00:53:46,820 --> 00:53:48,780
That's just one additional qualified officer.

698
00:53:50,140 --> 00:53:51,940
Our community deserves officers who have the time,

699
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:53,540
energy and experience to build trust

700
00:53:53,540 --> 00:53:55,300
and prevent crime before it happens.

701
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,480
This contract is the investment that keeps us in the market.

702
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,060
It protects public safety and ensures

703
00:54:01,060 --> 00:54:04,440
Huntington Beach remains the amazing destination city

704
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,100
where residents feel secure and businesses

705
00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:07,960
want to invest.

706
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:09,660
Thank you for your time.

707
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:16,700
Thank you, next speaker, please.

708
00:54:21,020 --> 00:54:27,320
Please excuse me during my public comment while I might sound emotional and patriotic.

709
00:54:28,220 --> 00:54:31,420
In the last several weeks, we have heard from Fauci.

710
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:37,520
We know now that this man told many lives during the shutdown,

711
00:54:38,340 --> 00:54:40,920
and people even died from his false information.

712
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:48,780
This city says it supports small businesses and candidates are even running on that campaign.

713
00:54:49,620 --> 00:54:56,060
However, there has been one man and business in the entire country who stood his

714
00:54:56,060 --> 00:54:59,960
ground on the constitutional law that he deserved.

715
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:09,620
And never shut down from the mask or shot shots. He never once closed his restaurant. That man is Tony Roman of Basilicos.

716
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:21,220
Newsom, the governor, okay, has tried to destroy this business by having OSHA clean out his business account.

717
00:55:22,860 --> 00:55:29,500
This man has a wife and a young boy. And he depends on this business to keep that family.

718
00:55:29,500 --> 00:55:38,620
I suggest the City Council really support small businesses that should be a co-plative in Tony

719
00:55:38,620 --> 00:55:46,120
Roman's federal, ninth district court lawsuit against Governor Newsom, if they really support

720
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:46,640
business.

721
00:55:47,140 --> 00:55:51,620
And other businesses who support him too, and follow suit with him.

722
00:55:51,620 --> 00:55:59,880
What's in its governor, Newsome, who sat in a fancy French restaurant in Napa Valley with no

723
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,020
mask on during the height of the pandemic,

724
00:56:04,290 --> 00:56:08,370
with no mask whipping it up, having fun, they never

725
00:56:08,370 --> 00:56:11,610
shut down restaurant down, but they did the Tony Romans.

726
00:56:12,190 --> 00:56:19,430
This is a tragedy of a small business where government has extended its arm where it's an

727
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:21,610
overreach that we've never seen before.

728
00:56:21,610 --> 00:56:24,150
This should not happen.

729
00:56:24,490 --> 00:56:29,730
This city should get behind this man and this business and every other small business.

730
00:56:30,170 --> 00:56:32,310
There are the lifeline of this country.

731
00:56:34,170 --> 00:56:41,230
They deserve better, they pay taxes, and we should support them in every which way we can

732
00:56:41,230 --> 00:56:43,070
possibly do that.

733
00:56:43,450 --> 00:56:48,450
So I suggest this city council find a way to help this man and his business and join him

734
00:56:48,450 --> 00:56:54,150
this lawsuit against Newsom for what he's done to so many people in businesses in this state.

735
00:56:54,190 --> 00:56:54,870
It's a shame.

736
00:56:56,610 --> 00:56:57,650
Thank you.

737
00:56:57,790 --> 00:56:59,030
Thank you.

738
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:01,080
Next speaker, please.

739
00:57:01,220 --> 00:57:02,480
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

740
00:57:02,820 --> 00:57:04,400
My name is Mr. Emory Ants.

741
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:09,560
I'm speaking tonight in support of IM27, the Mayor and Councilman Burns and Kennedy's

742
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,640
plaque to honor America's semi-consentennial.

743
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:17,420
This plaque honors a unique moment, not just the America's history, but in high-intambition

744
00:57:17,420 --> 00:57:18,140
history.

745
00:57:18,140 --> 00:57:25,120
And we'll make permanent the remembrance of America's semiconductor and the reminder that freedom is not free.

746
00:57:25,500 --> 00:57:28,460
I urge the Council to continue to celebrate America.

747
00:57:29,020 --> 00:57:33,140
Once again, I urge a yes vote on I am 27. Thank you.

748
00:57:36,330 --> 00:57:37,450
Thank you, next speaker, please.

749
00:57:37,890 --> 00:57:39,730
Andy Einhorn Huntington Beach.

750
00:57:40,730 --> 00:57:47,750
Butch twining tried to apologize for his actions on July 19th and the city's parking lot.

751
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:53,490
But instead, it was an attempt to justify what he did.

752
00:57:54,310 --> 00:57:58,550
It certainly didn't answer the questions you all should be asking.

753
00:57:59,690 --> 00:58:07,990
The white wall on the Yorktown did not have any signs posting information such as

754
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:10,070
no posting on private property.

755
00:58:10,070 --> 00:58:19,490
Second, there was nothing pro-Nazi about those signs. Nothing. One sign showed us

756
00:58:19,490 --> 00:58:29,730
Wastika struck through with a red X. The universal symbol against Nazism, not for it.

757
00:58:29,730 --> 00:58:43,090
Third, what butch saw, as a swastika, instead was a symbolized 47, a number, not a symbol of hate.

758
00:58:44,010 --> 00:58:48,690
Let's be clear, 47 is not a Nazi symbol.

759
00:58:50,330 --> 00:58:56,190
It's an anti-Trump satire accusing his administration of fascism.

760
00:58:56,190 --> 00:59:05,830
President Trump once bragged on an access Hollywood tape about grabbing women's genitals.

761
00:59:07,110 --> 00:59:12,030
So what that said, we can certainly protest with symbols on a wall.

762
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:23,140
Fourth, butch was driving through the city parking lot, one handed, cell phone and the other.

763
00:59:23,140 --> 00:59:33,340
that is illegal. A better approach parked the car, inquiring, inquire, who is leading the

764
00:59:33,340 --> 00:59:42,420
group than raises concerns directly. However, let us remember only the property owner

765
00:59:42,420 --> 00:59:51,740
has jurisdiction over the wall, not butch. Finally, my vaping comment, butch called my

766
00:59:51,740 --> 00:59:59,980
mark funny. It was not. I had a flashback of our incoming mayor.

767
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,640
Court on a camera vaping in this very room,

768
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:15,620
a direct violation of California health law. Laws apply to everyone, even him.

769
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:22,240
This is the person who wants to run our city. Thank you.

770
01:00:26,050 --> 01:00:27,350
Next group of speakers?

771
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker's 60, 50 through 60, please queue at the area along the stairs and use both podiums.

772
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:39,300
Thank you.

773
01:00:45,510 --> 01:00:46,230
Good evening to you.

774
01:00:46,350 --> 01:00:48,250
My name is Eric Richmond Massey.

775
01:00:48,570 --> 01:00:53,390
I live on the north side of Huntington Beach at 1-6-1-9-1 Valentine Lane Huntington Beach.

776
01:00:53,950 --> 01:00:55,330
9-2-6-4-7.

777
01:00:56,050 --> 01:01:00,070
I'm here to thank you for the announcement you made to the state of California.

778
01:01:00,910 --> 01:01:07,190
And the County of Orange and the City of Huntington Beach that I'm going to recipient by the City of Huntington Beach in a home to live in.

779
01:01:08,930 --> 01:01:13,450
I'm also here to ask you if you be willing to give me a document acknowledging that.

780
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,140
Yes, no? You're not allowed to speak.

781
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,780
Okay, so what do you tell me? I need a lawyer to follow through with this. That's the way you're saying.

782
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:36,850
So you speak for the mayor. Is that right, Mr. Burns?

783
01:01:39,350 --> 01:01:42,890
Sir, if you like, you can fill it a blue card over there at the front and we can contact you.

784
01:01:42,890 --> 01:01:49,890
Thank you, Casey. I appreciate that. I want to make an announcement to you some of your city employees that we're let go. Sorry for that for whatever reason.

785
01:01:50,690 --> 01:01:53,810
And also remember amongst you claiming that I'm a homosexual and bisexual.

786
01:01:55,230 --> 01:01:59,970
Now I've got an agency that looks after me 24 hours a day of everything I do and they also surf the internet.

787
01:02:01,090 --> 01:02:05,350
So I'd like for you from here. For me this is the third time I've done this in about 11 years.

788
01:02:05,930 --> 01:02:11,830
I am not a homosexual and I'm not bisexual and I'm not bisexual.

789
01:02:11,830 --> 01:02:18,750
You know, they get what they deserve and plus state of California to come after you for making announcements about me.

790
01:02:18,890 --> 01:02:24,870
I'm talking about your employees that have been let go and then wanted to remember if you're a membership here.

791
01:02:25,450 --> 01:02:26,590
You guys have a good evening.

792
01:02:29,700 --> 01:02:30,660
Next speaker, please.

793
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:34,920
Greetings, Tim Gettison the House.

794
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:42,680
Too bad we don't get six minutes per public comments to make up for the dubiously canceled meeting of August 4th.

795
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:56,340
Every council meeting before November 3rd is important, not only for the council to conduct business for the city, but for the public to be able to respond to issues under consideration.

796
01:02:56,340 --> 01:03:04,600
Like tonight's agenda item number 26706, approval of design and language for the America 250

797
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:13,860
plaque at Pier Plaza is the only public feedback aired citywide supposed to be shared in public

798
01:03:13,860 --> 01:03:14,600
comments.

799
01:03:15,060 --> 01:03:21,680
I realize that the council is known for shooting its mouths off, but are the cannons firing

800
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:29,540
at either side of the city, see a logo appropriate for our city, are they revolutionary work

801
01:03:29,540 --> 01:03:37,500
cannons or just period clip art? Have mass quantities of citizens weighed in on the public

802
01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:46,480
design and language already? Just asking. Tonight I am starting a 60 second profile of various

803
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:51,980
of the candidates for City Council in November, which I call Maritory as Minutes.

804
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:57,960
My first Maritory as Minutes focuses on Surf City for candidate Brenda Glim.

805
01:03:58,700 --> 01:04:03,520
Brenda is much more than a pissed off grandma and actress.

806
01:04:04,380 --> 01:04:10,860
She's a long, she has a long and distinguished career in corporate project management, mostly

807
01:04:10,860 --> 01:04:18,560
in local aerospace and has great physical accounting and administrative skills.

808
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:26,300
She knows how to read a budget and whip it into shape a quality which seems in short

809
01:04:26,300 --> 01:04:29,260
supply on the current city council.

810
01:04:30,620 --> 01:04:37,580
But before beyond that, Brenda Glym is very good at listening and trying to see both sides

811
01:04:37,580 --> 01:04:49,600
Again, in pitifully short supply with this council, she believes in treating residents with dignity and respect and in building consensus in her decision making.

812
01:04:50,100 --> 01:04:57,520
This business owner is capable and transparent and will represent the entire community fairly honestly and effectively.

813
01:04:58,140 --> 01:04:59,980
As I mentioned, more other.

814
01:05:04,660 --> 01:05:19,000
I hope the city council is batting down the hatches for the state audits. We may be facing for all of the schemes this council has hatched over the past five years.

815
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:30,860
Well, the audit results may not be, may not come in in time for the November election, I think most of us know what our incumbent leaders are facing.

816
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:34,600
There are plenty of questionable decisions.

817
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:37,480
Thank you. Next speaker, please.

818
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:46,240
Good evening. The current city counseling comments ran on the slogan of running the city more like a business.

819
01:05:46,740 --> 01:05:48,180
So how are they doing so far?

820
01:05:48,180 --> 01:05:52,420
They made a 15-year agreement with a promoter of the Pacific Air Show that has cost

821
01:05:52,420 --> 01:05:58,600
a city almost $6 million in cash, about $420,000 in lost parking revenue every year,

822
01:05:59,020 --> 01:06:03,800
$500,000 for a sequestudity, and a cost of city provided services like police,

823
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,180
fire, marine safety, public works, and utilities every year.

824
01:06:07,780 --> 01:06:10,660
All for one day cancellation that was not the city's fault.

825
01:06:11,740 --> 01:06:13,040
What business would do that?

826
01:06:13,980 --> 01:06:17,040
Did I mention that after claiming this was a great settlement for the city,

827
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:24,360
They had to be sued to actually reveal the agreement to the public and that the show's promoter was one of their political backers

828
01:06:24,980 --> 01:06:34,820
They called a special election for measures A and B at a cost of the city of about 1.2 million dollars when they could have simply put both measures on an upcoming election for about $200,000

829
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:37,560
What business would do that?

830
01:06:38,220 --> 01:06:45,380
They've engaged in repeated lawsuits against the state constantly using the discredited theory that Huntington Beach can ignore state laws of general applicability

831
01:06:45,380 --> 01:06:47,160
because it's a charter city.

832
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:49,220
They've repeatedly appealed those losses,

833
01:06:49,220 --> 01:06:50,900
and lost the appeals again and again.

834
01:06:51,940 --> 01:06:53,300
What business would do that?

835
01:06:54,260 --> 01:06:56,720
They've lost lawsuits to individuals over freedom to read

836
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:00,120
and fair representation at a cost of over a million dollars to the city,

837
01:07:00,300 --> 01:07:02,140
and they have doubled down after their losses.

838
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:04,680
What business would do that?

839
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:07,280
In short, they have learned the city

840
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,240
into a 15 to 20 million dollar deficit

841
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:12,920
through using city resources to promote their personal political agendas.

842
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:18,760
If you want to promote your political agenda, do it with your own damn money, not ours.

843
01:07:19,580 --> 01:07:23,460
And now, on today's agenda, they're advancing a proposal to increase police pay by about

844
01:07:23,460 --> 01:07:29,120
17% over the next three years, an incremental $15 million over these three years, and an

845
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:31,780
ongoing increase of about $10 million annually.

846
01:07:32,660 --> 01:07:39,740
Nothing against the police, but at a time when the city is turning a 15 to 20 million dollar deficit,

847
01:07:39,740 --> 01:07:42,900
And what business would do that?

848
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,140
One hell bent on bankruptcy.

849
01:07:49,210 --> 01:07:49,970
Speaker, please.

850
01:07:51,110 --> 01:07:53,610
Good evening, Mayor and council members.

851
01:07:53,770 --> 01:07:58,490
My name is Ryan Wynn and I'm a performance coach and use sports coach here in Honning

852
01:07:58,490 --> 01:08:03,530
the Beach and I represent sports complex and the future project of over as Academy.

853
01:08:03,710 --> 01:08:05,090
I want to be a friend about that.

854
01:08:05,350 --> 01:08:09,190
I want to set the scene right now with just the populations that I work with on my day

855
01:08:09,190 --> 01:08:16,510
function in operations. Starting first with the seniors, literally this morning I had a 83-year-old,

856
01:08:16,510 --> 01:08:23,510
essentially PR had a great experience with a sled push exercise and I want to bring light to the

857
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:29,610
recent post with the chair volleyball summer series that the senior center had and just really pushing

858
01:08:29,610 --> 01:08:35,210
for further activation of the senior center and the need for more health and wellness events and

859
01:08:35,210 --> 01:08:37,550
and opportunities for our seniors.

860
01:08:38,130 --> 01:08:41,450
Second population would be myself, the Millennials,

861
01:08:42,030 --> 01:08:44,430
in the 20s and 30s, that are looking for opportunities

862
01:08:44,430 --> 01:08:48,610
and in community to grow with recently just signed

863
01:08:48,610 --> 01:08:51,810
up for a run club event in Newport Beach this Saturday,

864
01:08:52,010 --> 01:08:52,570
excited for that.

865
01:08:53,130 --> 01:08:54,550
But more importantly, most importantly,

866
01:08:54,910 --> 01:08:56,110
our youth and our inner kids.

867
01:08:56,410 --> 01:08:59,870
So I just want to put out a statistic in our report here

868
01:08:59,870 --> 01:09:01,910
that was published a couple of years ago in 2024

869
01:09:01,910 --> 01:09:08,850
that fewer than one and four American kids get 60 minutes of required and daily activity

870
01:09:08,850 --> 01:09:15,790
that they need to stay in shape and that is probably trending in the wrong direction

871
01:09:15,790 --> 01:09:16,470
there.

872
01:09:17,010 --> 01:09:22,850
So really sending steam there and now the next topic to provide perspective on what's going on

873
01:09:22,850 --> 01:09:26,810
with their sports complex and perspective on the turf topic.

874
01:09:27,710 --> 01:09:34,050
You know, as we know, the national grass fields, you know, need improvement and it's an ongoing

875
01:09:34,050 --> 01:09:38,210
discussion that, you know, the city's wondering what's going on with.

876
01:09:38,890 --> 01:09:43,470
Really, we understand the workload that happens day to day, month to month, year to year and

877
01:09:43,470 --> 01:09:47,350
really, a lot of people don't understand that these fields need rest, right?

878
01:09:47,350 --> 01:09:52,470
These fields need to be maintained and taken care of, you know, with football coming up,

879
01:09:52,470 --> 01:09:53,950
Big football coach myself

880
01:09:54,470 --> 01:09:59,970
You know FNL and girls like football. I was a tournament this past weekend and just seeing

881
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:28,180
The growth of these sports in our community. I want to really have people understand that the turn around of these events from Friday to Saturday, Sunday, Saturday to Sunday, Sunday and so forth, it's just causing more damage on our field, so whether it's the rest, the rainouts and these practices and events getting canceled. It's a really losing opportunity for us to capitalize more activations, that's what it's complex. I don't want to know, I'm running out of time here.

882
01:10:28,180 --> 01:10:30,820
but really losing the territorial battle

883
01:10:31,300 --> 01:10:35,100
with the anterior sports empire being built in a couple months.

884
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:37,800
I'll be just to announce that the veterans stadium

885
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,240
is gonna be demolished to create another sports complex.

886
01:10:40,440 --> 01:10:41,800
And of course we all know

887
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:43,840
our vines doing phenomenal job with great parking.

888
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,680
We're losing a lot of opportunities for there.

889
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:49,180
And I hope you guys really see this thing through

890
01:10:49,180 --> 01:10:50,760
and understand what we're trying to build there.

891
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:51,600
Thank you.

892
01:10:51,740 --> 01:10:52,420
So good to see you.

893
01:10:52,420 --> 01:10:53,220
Thank you.

894
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:55,100
Next speaker, please.

895
01:10:55,100 --> 01:11:09,480
Good evening Mayor and council members. I'm Ross Price. When you're newly appointed, community and library services commissioners, I wanted to share a quick update from August 12 community library service commission meeting, along with a couple items moving forward on tonight's agenda.

896
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:17,100
It was another productive commission meeting. One of the highlights was definitely the recognition of the local Eagle Scouts and their projects.

897
01:11:17,100 --> 01:11:22,000
I mean, being a Eagle Scout mother myself found this just amazing.

898
01:11:22,300 --> 01:11:26,340
It was wonderful to see these young men recognize the tremendous amount of work, leadership,

899
01:11:26,700 --> 01:11:31,180
dedication, and service that goes into earning the rank of Eagle Scout and the projects

900
01:11:31,180 --> 01:11:32,700
that give back to our community.

901
01:11:32,940 --> 01:11:37,000
Commissioner Steve Barnes and Community and Library Services Manager Chris Cole presented

902
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:38,640
the recognition to the Eagle Scout.

903
01:11:39,020 --> 01:11:43,600
It was especially meaningful because Steve isn't Eagle Scout himself, so he understands

904
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:49,880
First hand, the commitment, the perseverance, and everything that's required in having this achievement and honor.

905
01:11:50,480 --> 01:11:55,240
We also approve the previous Commission meetings, which was awesome to be a part of that.

906
01:11:55,280 --> 01:12:02,780
A quick note and reminder, I just want to remind everybody in our community that we have great locations that can be rented out, that the city manages,

907
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,700
that can go back into the funds of our city, and we have a local discounts.

908
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,340
Another important discussion involved in America, 250th plaque.

909
01:12:10,340 --> 01:12:15,060
at the Peer Memorial, we are continuing to work through the new draft, including its design

910
01:12:15,060 --> 01:12:19,820
language, as we move forward to something appropriately that commemorates the 250th anniversary

911
01:12:19,820 --> 01:12:23,960
of the United States of America, and how well an ACB represents it.

912
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:29,400
The work now connects directly with tonight's City Council agenda item 27 regarding approval

913
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,560
for the design and the language of the 250th peer plaque.

914
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:37,800
As a commissioner, it has been very rewarding to be a part of the process and see it move forward

915
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:42,460
discussion, review the commission level to consideration by the City Council. I believe it

916
01:12:42,460 --> 01:12:47,280
is important that we take time to get something of this historical significance right.

917
01:12:47,380 --> 01:12:52,460
The plaque will be part of the Honeyton Beach long after America's 250th is gone and the

918
01:12:52,460 --> 01:12:56,540
language and the design needs to represent the nation's history while creating something

919
01:12:56,540 --> 01:13:02,020
amazing for future generations. There is another item on tonight's agenda that connects directly

920
01:13:02,020 --> 01:13:07,600
to the work of the community library service. That's item number 16. I asked the council

921
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:12,640
authorize an application for Orange County Transportation Authority to grant purchases accessible

922
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:17,540
of hands for the surf city seniors on the go senior transportation program programs like

923
01:13:17,540 --> 01:13:22,240
this matter maintaining mobility and independence for our older adults and residents with

924
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:27,220
disabilities help keep people connected to appointments programs services and their community.

925
01:13:27,700 --> 01:13:32,320
I'm glad to see the City Council continue to explore outside funding opportunities that can

926
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:37,300
strengthen these services for our seniors leveraging grant dollars instead of money from our

927
01:13:37,300 --> 01:13:43,680
Our commission meeting also included updates on the Grow HB program to which we met Kelly who will be assisting

928
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:50,680
Charlene with the new program our library master plan liaison group and ongoing work surrounding the American 250.

929
01:13:51,340 --> 01:13:55,680
There is much that happens behind the scenes with the commission and I'm honored to be a part of it.

930
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:57,480
And tonight I look forward to seeing some.

931
01:14:02,660 --> 01:14:03,780
Thank you.

932
01:14:03,780 --> 01:14:08,740
Let's revisit all of the ways we have seen crazy taxpayer spending and bad decisions when

933
01:14:08,740 --> 01:14:10,440
the people sitting right here on the diets.

934
01:14:11,100 --> 01:14:12,760
First of all, let's start with the big one.

935
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:14,460
The great air show highs.

936
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:18,340
These folks sitting in front of us thought it was going to be a good decision to let Michael

937
01:14:18,340 --> 01:14:22,800
Gates sweet talk them and devoting for a massive payout for Gates' old buddy Kevin Elliott.

938
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:23,700
The giveaway?

939
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:28,700
$5 million taxpayer dollars because the promoter had to cancel one day of the air show

940
01:14:28,700 --> 01:14:31,400
for an oil spill that the city had zero fall tin.

941
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:36,120
Next up, the really really bad decision to go after the beloved public libraries in this town.

942
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:38,460
We know this was Gracie's pet project.

943
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:42,520
She hates books and librarians and got her church to come here and attack librarians,

944
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:44,640
calling them pedophiles and other vile names.

945
01:14:45,580 --> 01:14:50,760
On to the brilliant idea to privatize a library with another backroom deal with former council member

946
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:53,260
turned private library guy Mike Posie.

947
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:59,580
All of this escalated to a costly local special election to the tune of 1.43 million

948
01:14:59,580 --> 01:14:59,980
Plus

949
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:15,920
That's about 59,000 for signature verification. Yikes. Let's address the lawsuits. Kennedy Commission, 3.53 million loss, plus another half a mil on appeal. More air show losses, 200,000 for refusing to provide the settlement details of the public.

950
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:21,800
Michael Gates's age discrimination case, 2.5 million settlement, plus 1.5 million legal costs.

951
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:27,100
At least another 200,000 in fees from the field housing law violations, more penalties coming.

952
01:15:27,980 --> 01:15:34,700
Voter ID case, another loser that the folks up here fell for from Gates, charter city exceptions, nope.

953
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:41,060
So here we are looking at losses in the 10 to 15 million dollar range when all is said and done.

954
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:44,060
Our budget is $15 million upside down.

955
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:50,460
And tonight on the agenda, I mean look, we want our police to receive the pay that they deserve.

956
01:15:50,460 --> 01:15:55,720
We recognize how hard our police officers work to keep us safe.

957
01:15:56,480 --> 01:16:00,060
But maybe this council should have been better stewards of the taxpayer's money.

958
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:04,400
And we could afford this, but we can't afford this right now.

959
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:08,820
It's also a bit suspect to suggest this 10 million pay raise right before an election.

960
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:10,740
Are we looking for endorsements?

961
01:16:11,380 --> 01:16:14,900
The last raise for 4 million for a police was just in 2020.

962
01:16:14,900 --> 01:16:20,680
Again, they deserve a competitive salary, but we need to be realist here.

963
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:25,140
The failed lawsuits and grand giveaways take their toll on the budget.

964
01:16:25,620 --> 01:16:26,720
Are we headed for bankruptcy?

965
01:16:28,300 --> 01:16:29,760
So what is the solution?

966
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:36,560
Vote these people out of office and vote for humble public servants like Terran Palombo,

967
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,240
Erin Spivey, Ben Davis, and Brenda Glam.

968
01:16:39,620 --> 01:16:43,720
Let's select people who are not rich in money, but rich in character.

969
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:50,900
Good people who don't use paid-a-place schemes to enrich their buddies or vote for loser

970
01:16:50,900 --> 01:16:51,500
lawsuits.

971
01:16:52,540 --> 01:16:55,000
Please vote for sanity, not vanity.

972
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:56,400
Thank you.

973
01:16:58,320 --> 01:16:59,060
Next speaker, please.

974
01:17:01,700 --> 01:17:02,640
Hello council members.

975
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:06,780
I'm here to discuss the recent solution of new flock cameras within Hainton Beach.

976
01:17:07,380 --> 01:17:11,420
For those that are unaware of the function of these flock cameras, there are new AI-enabled

977
01:17:11,420 --> 01:17:14,480
surveillance camera that automatically takes down the plate.

978
01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:17,220
color, bumper sticker, and identifiable damage

979
01:17:17,220 --> 01:17:20,520
of any car going by, logging it into a searchable database.

980
01:17:21,540 --> 01:17:23,600
I've been going down, down, down, down, down, to point out these

981
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,680
flawed cameras to people, and every single person I stop is either

982
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:30,060
unaware of these cameras or perfectly aware and fearful of them.

983
01:17:30,500 --> 01:17:34,240
These cameras have become a device of issue for a very clear reason.

984
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,560
They are a new system different from traditional security cameras.

985
01:17:37,940 --> 01:17:40,920
They treat all citizens as criminals first, where they would be

986
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:42,180
tracked and logged.

987
01:17:42,980 --> 01:17:47,200
Not only this, but there are some of the first AI surveillance tools being integrated

988
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:48,260
within our society.

989
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:52,840
This tool of convenience infringes on every citizen's right to do process.

990
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:57,740
In researching this issue, I found very little clarity in the contracts the city has with

991
01:17:57,740 --> 01:17:58,020
lock.

992
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:02,740
I could not find any public deliberation on the install of these cameras, and there is also

993
01:18:02,740 --> 01:18:05,020
no public usage policy for these cameras.

994
01:18:05,700 --> 01:18:10,580
I request that this council releases all contracts that have been signed with lock in

995
01:18:10,580 --> 01:18:16,620
single package releases all planned future contracts with flock as we want to know how many of these

996
01:18:16,620 --> 01:18:20,680
things will be installed. And during the next city council meeting I want to agenda item

997
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:26,120
deliberating the cancellation of future flock contracts along with other AI enabled surveillance tools.

998
01:18:26,820 --> 01:18:31,580
I urge you to talk to your constituents about flock, realize how unpopular it is, and consider

999
01:18:31,580 --> 01:18:38,160
this item for deliberation. Also California law SP34 requires that a usage policy for these cameras

1000
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:43,840
be publicly available. There's currently no such policy released. You guys must post this in order

1001
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:47,780
to remain in compliance with California law. It should include how the status is used,

1002
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:52,680
under what circumstances it is used, and how long it is stored. This must be shared and made

1003
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:58,000
publicly available on the Highington Beach government website. I know I'm talking to a council

1004
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:02,780
that is cautious in regards to government overreach. Well, these cameras are right for abuse.

1005
01:19:03,220 --> 01:19:07,860
The goal of these cameras is to get a searchable database of people's movement moment by moment

1006
01:19:07,860 --> 01:19:13,260
location. The FBI attempted to do this with cell phone data, and was ruled in 2018 in the

1007
01:19:13,260 --> 01:19:18,180
case of Carpenter versus the United States that require a warrant to do this. There

1008
01:19:18,180 --> 01:19:22,820
are no such protections regarding these new AI surveillance tools. Until there are, we cannot

1009
01:19:22,820 --> 01:19:24,180
justify using them.

1010
01:19:26,220 --> 01:19:26,700
Thank you.

1011
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:29,600
Thank you.

1012
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:36,460
Next speaker, please. My name is Parker Bosworth, and I'm a resident of Huntington Beach.

1013
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:41,600
HPs installed automated license plate cameras that log every vehicle that passes whether or

1014
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:43,120
driver has done anything wrong.

1015
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:45,720
They create a profile in each of us and are constantly

1016
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:48,500
misused in ways that harm everyone, even yourself.

1017
01:19:49,180 --> 01:19:50,900
I know this isn't in a genderized item tonight.

1018
01:19:51,020 --> 01:19:52,380
I'm not asking for a vote.

1019
01:19:52,620 --> 01:19:55,220
I'm asking for the council to direct staff to agenda

1020
01:19:55,220 --> 01:19:58,240
as a full review of the flawed contract and upcoming meeting,

1021
01:19:58,460 --> 01:19:59,980
including whether there's a renewal date.

1022
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:06,680
Or termination clause, we can act on. And to release the department's usage policy and audit logs in the meantime.

1023
01:20:07,780 --> 01:20:11,480
Councilman, earlier you mentioned that you were on to beach to be the premier city of safety,

1024
01:20:12,100 --> 01:20:20,140
removing and banning flat cameras, and all a LPRs from Huntington Beach is crucial to achieve that.

1025
01:20:20,140 --> 01:20:20,900
Thank you.

1026
01:20:24,380 --> 01:20:25,580
Thank you, next speaker, please.

1027
01:20:26,140 --> 01:20:31,460
Good evening, Mayor and council members. I've lived in Huntington Beach for 30 years.

1028
01:20:31,460 --> 01:20:34,940
And I've always supported public safety.

1029
01:20:35,900 --> 01:20:38,420
I have friends in our police and fire departments,

1030
01:20:39,500 --> 01:20:45,060
and I believe the people who serve this community deserve good wages.

1031
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:47,240
I really do.

1032
01:20:48,380 --> 01:20:55,220
But I am asking you tonight to hit pause on this police contract

1033
01:20:55,220 --> 01:21:07,160
And tell the public understands what it means for our city over the next five years, five to ten years.

1034
01:21:08,260 --> 01:21:13,900
This is not about being against police officers or against the firefighters.

1035
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:21,740
It's about not making promises today that we cannot keep tomorrow.

1036
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:30,120
We've already been told that we're facing a deficit of over $15 million this year.

1037
01:21:31,780 --> 01:21:35,200
And what we owe for pensions keeps climbing.

1038
01:21:36,820 --> 01:21:43,660
Now we're looking at another 10 million a year plus another agreement that you are talking

1039
01:21:43,660 --> 01:21:52,620
with our firefighters. That could be $30 million a year in the red out of a general fund

1040
01:21:52,620 --> 01:22:01,000
of only $150 million. Do that math for five years and we are broke.

1041
01:22:03,650 --> 01:22:04,510
When cities get

1042
01:22:04,510 --> 01:22:13,490
in financial trouble, regular people pay them price. City employees lose their jobs. Families

1043
01:22:13,490 --> 01:22:21,850
pay higher taxes, streets and sewers wait, and eventually police and fire positions get cut

1044
01:22:21,850 --> 01:22:33,350
too. And we're all less safe. Let's not put our community or our employees in that spot.

1045
01:22:33,730 --> 01:22:43,090
So before you vote, please ask the Finance Department or the Finance Commission to show us

1046
01:22:43,090 --> 01:22:50,910
publicly. What the next five to 10 years looks like with all of these agreements included.

1047
01:22:53,070 --> 01:22:59,130
I don't understand the rush. We are less than three months from an election

1048
01:22:59,810 --> 01:23:06,690
where the majority of these seats are on the ballot. This agreement will affect our finances

1049
01:23:06,690 --> 01:23:09,230
as long after this council is gone.

1050
01:23:09,770 --> 01:23:13,430
What's wrong with giving residents more information

1051
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:15,370
and more time?

1052
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:18,890
Let's put the numbers in front of us

1053
01:23:18,890 --> 01:23:21,210
and then we can decide out in the open.

1054
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:26,320
Thank you.

1055
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:27,040
Thanks, Speaker, please.

1056
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:29,020
All right, good evening.

1057
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:31,720
My name's Russell Neol, I live in Huntington Beach.

1058
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:35,320
Concerning item 26, the police MOU,

1059
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:38,840
I would just say that we all love

1060
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:46,500
and appreciate our police, our firefighters, and all of our city employees, and want to see

1061
01:23:46,500 --> 01:23:48,300
them fairly compensated.

1062
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:56,000
At the same time, we expect our council to represent the interest of all our citizens.

1063
01:23:56,980 --> 01:24:05,200
And we expect hard fought, but fair negotiations conducted without fear or favor.

1064
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:08,020
and we are watching this closely.

1065
01:24:09,440 --> 01:24:11,480
Concerning the upcoming elections,

1066
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:16,780
I remember how bad it was under the prior city council.

1067
01:24:17,620 --> 01:24:21,400
Homeless in campus and crime were high and increasing.

1068
01:24:22,420 --> 01:24:25,800
Business faced a hostile city government,

1069
01:24:26,140 --> 01:24:30,060
HP residents were vilified from the Dias

1070
01:24:30,060 --> 01:24:34,120
and woke politics was the order of the day.

1071
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:46,380
Sacramento was supported in its plans to bulldoze our homes and neighborhoods and replace them with subsidized high-rise apartments.

1072
01:24:47,700 --> 01:24:58,500
The citizens of HB weren't having it. They filled all four seats with candidates promising to save surf city and later added three more.

1073
01:24:58,500 --> 01:24:59,900
and

1074
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:21,020
Save it, you have, crime and homelessness are down dramatically. Red tape has been cut and business formation is booming and someone finally stood up to Sacramento's neighborhood destruction in a battle that is far from over.

1075
01:25:21,020 --> 01:25:29,500
You even got lib the library fountains working again, something we were told could not be done.

1076
01:25:30,580 --> 01:25:34,380
Why would anybody want to go back to the failed past?

1077
01:25:34,980 --> 01:25:40,120
Why would anyone want to see the return of high crime and homelessness?

1078
01:25:41,220 --> 01:25:51,000
Why would anyone elect a forcing promising to take orders from Sacramento and to ignore the wishes of the people

1079
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:52,620
people of Huntington Beach.

1080
01:25:53,660 --> 01:25:57,300
This November, I urge the election of Casey McKin,

1081
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:01,620
Pat Burns, Andrew Grull, and Brian Thinis.

1082
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:07,680
Stay with proven success and reject guaranteed failure.

1083
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:11,300
Thank you, and God bless Huntington Beach.

1084
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:15,460
Next speaker, please.

1085
01:26:16,940 --> 01:26:17,560
Hello, friends.

1086
01:26:17,740 --> 01:26:18,560
My name is Sean.

1087
01:26:18,700 --> 01:26:21,580
I'm a longtime resident and a former city council candidate

1088
01:26:21,580 --> 01:26:29,060
way back in 2010. I am here to speak out against the proposed 17.9% increase for police officers

1089
01:26:29,060 --> 01:26:34,860
over a three year period. While a deal like this certainly highlights the benefits and the

1090
01:26:34,860 --> 01:26:41,320
importance of every employee to have union representation, a sweetheart deal 90 days before an election

1091
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:49,480
seems a bit irresponsible. Huntington Beach has a budget deficit of at least 15.6 million dollars

1092
01:26:49,480 --> 01:26:52,140
which was deepened by your actions.

1093
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:57,860
An entire unnecessary special election that cost the city well over a million dollars.

1094
01:26:58,440 --> 01:27:01,080
And a special election that by the way you guys still lost.

1095
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:07,060
You're deal with the air show, the frivolous lawsuits and now a sweet heart deal with the police.

1096
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:11,520
And are we supposed to believe that the fire department won't also want a deal this good?

1097
01:27:12,140 --> 01:27:17,980
Didn't we just recently have all the department heads give us presentations under the premise that we are looking to save money?

1098
01:27:17,980 --> 01:27:24,920
Isn't this the same council that tried to shake down a center for homeless seniors for pocket change?

1099
01:27:25,820 --> 01:27:32,520
Perhaps if our homeless community had such an important endorsement to give out a simple Tephra vote wouldn't have you wailing about socialism?

1100
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:38,820
In short, this is reckless, financially responsible, but you already know that and you know what you're doing.

1101
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:39,980
Thank you.

1102
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:42,460
Next speaker.

1103
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:53,840
Hi, I'm Ellen Riley and I want to make a proposal, maybe you've already made it, no oil drilling off of our coast off of our beach.

1104
01:27:54,260 --> 01:28:05,540
25, we had 25,000 gallons of oil spill about six years ago from oil extraction oil drilling offshore.

1105
01:28:05,540 --> 01:28:11,940
So I hope you consider that and make that a proposal or a decision of this council.

1106
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:21,720
Otherwise, the city, you've been discussion about that deficit in this city, and I am going

1107
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:25,180
to recommend selling the helicopters that we have.

1108
01:28:25,300 --> 01:28:29,580
We have about three helicopters and that's not modern technology.

1109
01:28:30,420 --> 01:28:34,860
That's last century, just like the aircraft carriers, which the country is going to be getting

1110
01:28:34,860 --> 01:28:40,720
a bit of a replacing, and I recommend selling the helicopters and replacing them with drones.

1111
01:28:41,260 --> 01:28:46,340
That will also pump more money, maybe, into the police department since there's been

1112
01:28:46,340 --> 01:28:51,660
a discussion that the police department needs more money, and I do know that they've been

1113
01:28:51,660 --> 01:28:57,420
talking about wanting to recruit more staff, but they have not done it or have not been able

1114
01:28:57,420 --> 01:29:00,220
to do it because the money is not there.

1115
01:29:00,220 --> 01:29:05,340
I think that's my presentation for the day.

1116
01:29:05,860 --> 01:29:06,120
Thank you.

1117
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:06,920
Thank you.

1118
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:10,160
Next speaker's please.

1119
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:14,060
Speaker's number 60 through 70, please approach the podium.

1120
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:16,400
Use both podiums.

1121
01:29:16,480 --> 01:29:18,140
Please line up along the wall.

1122
01:29:43,100 --> 01:29:43,500
Good, please.

1123
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:44,560
Good evening.

1124
01:29:44,940 --> 01:29:47,760
My name is Mia and I'm a resident of Huntington Beach.

1125
01:29:48,500 --> 01:29:51,700
HBPD has installed automated license plate cameras

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that log every vehicle that passes whether or not the driver has done anything wrong.

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01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:59,980
I know this isn't an agendized item tonight, so I'm not asking for...

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I'm asking the council to direct staff to agenda is a full review of the flood contract at an upcoming meeting, including whether there's a renewal day or termination clause we can act on, and to release the department's usage policy and audit logs in the meantime. Thank you.

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Thank you. Next speaker.

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01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:26,220
Hi, that's any web long time money to be president and

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01:30:26,220 --> 01:30:34,140
tie fashes. I want to start with actually the police agenda item. As somebody I've mentioned

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01:30:34,140 --> 01:30:42,740
before, whose family was devastated by gun violence, my respect and the understanding of how much

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01:30:42,740 --> 01:30:52,620
need the police is total. So I would suggest a deeper dive into how we're going to pay

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01:30:52,620 --> 01:30:57,540
for, well, I'm not going to give an opinion on whether we should or should not move forward.

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01:30:58,420 --> 01:31:04,360
I do want to say that the mismanagement by the City Council is what got us here way. I

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01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:12,560
cannot just endorse it because the City Council has destroyed our finances. I want to

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01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:18,680
for the people that are up for election right now that we need to remember who got us in this

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01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:30,700
mass with their crowning giveaway. Casey and Pat were on the original two. Graselda who is running

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01:31:30,700 --> 01:31:38,520
for state assembly, Tony Baloney who is running for Senate and Michael Gates who is running for

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01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:45,860
city attorney, those are the people that did this give away of millions of dollars that you

1141
01:31:45,860 --> 01:31:54,520
still will not allow us to see. No one trusts you here because the remaining people are so

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01:31:54,520 --> 01:32:02,880
entrust worthy that they stabbed our number one votegatter in Chad who should rightfully be the mayor,

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01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:06,060
but they don't even have honor to their own side.

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01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:10,940
Beat City's brought people in here to vote him the number one

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01:32:10,940 --> 01:32:13,280
getter, but you guys don't care about that.

1146
01:32:13,440 --> 01:32:16,760
You don't have honor, honor is everything.

1147
01:32:17,220 --> 01:32:19,280
What we don't trust you, you know why?

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01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:21,180
Because we know you're paid for a play.

1149
01:32:21,700 --> 01:32:23,660
The police are now going to be suspect

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01:32:23,660 --> 01:32:26,380
if they endorse any of you,

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01:32:26,380 --> 01:32:30,100
because we're going to believe that this is just another

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01:32:30,100 --> 01:32:38,420
that you paid for in advance, so do us a favor to the police who I totally support with

1153
01:32:38,420 --> 01:32:45,480
hold your endorsements until after or I don't know how you could do it, but I certainly

1154
01:32:45,480 --> 01:32:52,420
would not endorse any of the people that have shown themselves to be dishonorable and

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01:32:52,420 --> 01:33:01,660
a grifters. Finally, Pat, look at how everybody else is dressed. I mean, could you show some

1156
01:33:01,660 --> 01:33:07,480
decor with your stupid thongs and ugly feet and faded T-shirts? Could you put on a certain

1157
01:33:07,480 --> 01:33:13,120
time and show that you have any respect? I mean, you know, our vaping buddy and our thong, but

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01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:16,000
you're both an insult to this community.

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01:33:18,770 --> 01:33:21,210
Next speaker. Okay.

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01:33:23,230 --> 01:33:24,970
Since we are interrupted, which we

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01:33:24,970 --> 01:33:29,950
never do it, our debate. We hope all candidates will reply by tomorrow when they

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01:33:29,950 --> 01:33:39,170
the 19th. We set up this debate to provide all 130,000 plus HB voters to hear all

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01:33:39,170 --> 01:33:46,230
points of view. Speaking of revenue, it seems to be the theme tonight. KC, Samo

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01:33:46,230 --> 01:33:53,150
Samo, Denine, 825,000 dollars from the Friends of the Library is detrimental to our

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01:33:53,150 --> 01:33:58,510
deficit. What other city denies money from its

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01:33:58,510 --> 01:34:03,250
friends of the library? It's insane. It's

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01:34:03,250 --> 01:34:06,010
revenge for winning measures A and B, which you all

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01:34:06,010 --> 01:34:09,270
campaigned against, and Gracie Vandermark's

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01:34:09,270 --> 01:34:12,650
book Bending Attempt. It will be your legacy

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01:34:12,650 --> 01:34:18,210
as Mayor Casey, denying $825,000 from a

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01:34:18,210 --> 01:34:21,650
non-profit established four decades ago.

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01:34:22,570 --> 01:34:30,210
825,000 dollars that could help turn a fair pay raise into a reality for our servants.

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01:34:31,310 --> 01:34:37,610
I also urge the City Council to look again at the pay raises for all city servants, a fair,

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01:34:37,950 --> 01:34:43,290
and a fiduciary intelligent raise in this and in future deficit years.

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01:34:43,530 --> 01:34:45,990
Please table the MOU and salary instructors.

1176
01:34:46,810 --> 01:34:47,590
Thank you.

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01:34:50,690 --> 01:34:52,670
Let's meet her.

1178
01:34:54,860 --> 01:34:55,960
Is that it?

1179
01:34:56,460 --> 01:34:57,820
Looks like that concludes our speakers.

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01:34:58,060 --> 01:34:58,340
Okay.

1181
01:35:03,340 --> 01:35:04,340
Okay.

1182
01:35:11,820 --> 01:35:33,380
Hi, Canan Durham. First of all, I want to say thank you to Andrew Gruhl. I heard you apologize for mistakenly making a derogatory statement towards the community at the last city council meeting and I respect that you made a statement about that and apologize publicly. I think that's great.

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01:35:33,380 --> 01:35:39,360
I did want to speak about the proposed raise for the police.

1184
01:35:40,220 --> 01:35:44,000
Somebody also already mentioned that we are in a $15 million deficit

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01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:47,060
per latest article from the Voice of O.C.

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01:35:48,300 --> 01:35:50,940
According to the Huntington Beach Police Officer,

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01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:53,920
earning potential calculator, which is on the city website,

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01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:59,520
the lowest base pay that the city is advertising you can receive

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01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:12,900
is $100,000, $1,127 dollars per year, which is considerably lower than what the majority

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of the highest paying officers are receiving.

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01:36:16,460 --> 01:36:26,660
So Chief Eric Para, according to public salary information, last year made $444,000, number

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01:36:26,660 --> 01:36:31,860
After 13 in that list, Lieutenant Toby Archer, who's one of the officers who arrested Chris

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01:36:31,860 --> 01:36:39,440
to be last year, made $344,000 in Lieutenant Brian Smith, who's number 17, and someone

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01:36:39,440 --> 01:36:42,540
I'm quite friendly with made $334,000.

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01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:47,060
Now, of course, this does include benefits packages and the like.

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01:36:47,580 --> 01:36:52,360
The median household income in Hunting Beach is $122,000 a year.

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01:36:52,360 --> 01:36:58,320
the individual salary average in Huntington Beach is $55,000 a year.

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01:36:59,300 --> 01:37:07,540
In the last city council meeting on agenda item number 25 on the consent calendar was the annual military equipment use.

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And I pulled that up. Some of the things that were included in that were unmanned remotely piloted power to aerial or ground vehicles.

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The noise flash, diversionary techniques, munitions containing tear gas,

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01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:25,400
aerial denial,

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01:37:25,980 --> 01:37:29,420
electro-shocked devices, all of these things cost the city, a great amount of money,

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01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:33,480
and are not things that are consistently being used, but we are proving that in the budget.

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01:37:36,900 --> 01:37:42,980
There's a lot more here that I could talk about. I've got a list of data, but I think here the issue is,

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01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:50,580
We have a discrepancy in the way that these funds are being used, so if there's an argument

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01:37:50,580 --> 01:37:56,500
about paying our police officers more, we should be careful about how we are putting that

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01:37:56,500 --> 01:37:57,100
money together.

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01:37:57,260 --> 01:38:06,220
When we have 50 officers that are making above $180,000 a year, which is far more than the

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01:38:06,220 --> 01:38:12,060
average in the city, it makes it hard for people who are looking at this budget discrepancy

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01:38:12,060 --> 01:38:15,280
to see that and feel okay about that inquiry.

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01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:16,620
Thank you so much.

1212
01:38:21,330 --> 01:38:21,750
All right.

1213
01:38:24,390 --> 01:38:26,030
Moving to council committee appointment announcements.

1214
01:38:26,470 --> 01:38:29,010
Council members, do you have any council committee appointment announcements?

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01:38:30,410 --> 01:38:31,450
Seeing none.

1216
01:38:31,590 --> 01:38:34,590
AB1, 2, 3 reporting does anyone have anything to report?

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01:38:35,710 --> 01:38:36,750
Seeing none.

1218
01:38:36,890 --> 01:38:38,350
Open this in the negotiation disclosures.

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01:38:38,630 --> 01:38:39,930
Does anyone have anything to disclose?

1220
01:38:40,730 --> 01:38:41,930
I spoke to the POA.

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01:38:42,890 --> 01:38:43,570
Spook to police.

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01:38:45,930 --> 01:38:46,210
Likewise.

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01:38:46,210 --> 01:38:47,790
I move

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01:38:54,700 --> 01:39:01,000
it on to the public hearing so a public hearing to adopt resolution number 2026-34 authorizing

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an application for funds under the Orange County Transportation Authority for an Orange County

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01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:08,200
enhancement ability for seniors in disabled grant program.

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01:39:08,980 --> 01:39:12,180
Madam Clerk we have any supplemental communications for this item.

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None received.

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01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:15,220
Staff please introduce the report.

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01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:20,480
Mayor McKean and members of the City Council.

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01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:25,640
Tonight staff is requesting authorization to apply to the Orange County Transportation Authority

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01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:30,440
for an Orange County enhanced mobility for seniors and individuals with disabilities grant.

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01:39:31,020 --> 01:39:34,740
This grant would provide funding to purchase accessible vehicles to transport older adults

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01:39:34,740 --> 01:39:39,620
and people with disabilities through our surf city seniors on the Go Senior Transportation Program.

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To move forward, we are asking the council to adopt Resolution Number 2026-334 authorizing

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01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:55,620
staff to submit a grant application to OCTA under the EMSD Program. A approval of this

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01:39:55,620 --> 01:39:59,960
accessible, reliable transportation services for the older adults and individuals.

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Individuals with disabilities who rely on the surf city seniors on the go program.

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The total project costs $435,600, and the funding breakdown would be the grant request of $392,000,

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with the city's 10% match requirement of $43,560.

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If awarded sufficient funds are available in the Equipment Replacement Fund 325 to cover the 10% match requirement.

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The EMSC grant program is administered through the OCTA.

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The EMSC program is intended to support the needs of seniors and people with disabilities when transportation services are unavailable in sufficient or inappropriate to meet these needs.

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Funding from this grant would be used to support the Serve City Seniors on the Go program that operates at the Senior Center in Central Park.

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The Serve City Seniors on the Go program is a donation-based program providing curb-to-curve transportation for Huntington Beach residents aged 16 over from their homes to a variety of locations such as nutrition services, medical appointments, shopping centers, social services, and the Senior Center in Central Park.

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The proposed grant application is to purchase three accessible vehicles to transport older adults and people with disabilities.

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01:41:20,790 --> 01:41:28,810
City staff proposed purchasing two accessible vans each able to seat seven passengers or a combination of seated passengers in wheelchair users.

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01:41:29,470 --> 01:41:36,070
And one small accessible bus designed to accommodate up to nine passengers, including both seated and wheelchair passengers.

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Acquiring these three new vehicles would allow the city to retire one older bus currently kept on standby shift another aging bus into standby status and maintain reliable transportation services for the older adults of Huntington Beach.

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In the fiscal year 2526 the service city seniors on the go program provided more than 23,000 free trips to over 500 unduplicated passengers demonstrating just how vital this service is to our community.

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As part of the grant process, OCTA requires the city to complete a public notice for the intent to apply for the grant directly notify private nonprofit transportation providers via registered mail, conduct a public hearing and adopt a resolution.

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Staff has completed or is preparing to complete all of these steps this evening.

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01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:32,400
Staff's recommended action tonight is to adopt a resolution number 2026-34, a resolution

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01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:36,520
of the City Council of the City of Huntington Beach authorizing City staff to apply

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01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:41,360
to the Orange County Transportation Authority for an Orange County enhance mobility for seniors

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01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:47,400
and individuals with disabilities grant program to purchase accessible vans to transfer older adults

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01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:52,480
and people with disabilities for the serve city seniors on the go senior transportation program

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01:42:52,480 --> 01:43:03,240
And authorize the appropriation of $43,560 from the Equipment Replacement Fund 325 fund balance to fulfill the 10% grant match requirement.

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And at this time I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.

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01:43:07,120 --> 01:43:07,880
Thank you.

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01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:10,800
Council members, does anyone have any questions on the report itself?

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01:43:12,970 --> 01:43:13,090
No.

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01:43:13,270 --> 01:43:13,430
Okay.

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01:43:14,350 --> 01:43:16,170
I'm hoping the public hearing.

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01:43:17,190 --> 01:43:19,750
Madam Clerk, do we have any people signed up to speak?

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01:43:20,950 --> 01:43:24,930
The City Council will now receive public comments for the public hearing item only.

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01:43:25,170 --> 01:43:29,390
If you are here to provide in-person comments, cue in the designated area along the stairs,

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01:43:29,590 --> 01:43:31,250
use the podium, and state your name.

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01:43:31,650 --> 01:43:33,150
If you would like you reflected in the minutes.

1270
01:43:33,570 --> 01:43:39,710
If you'd like to provide comments for closed session on Zoom, raise your hand in the Zoom

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01:43:39,710 --> 01:43:42,090
feature, and you will be called by your Zoom name.

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01:43:42,530 --> 01:43:45,210
Once called, be prepared to unmute your microphone to speak.

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01:43:51,750 --> 01:43:52,830
Please approach the podium.

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01:44:00,480 --> 01:44:04,000
Good evening, Mayor and City Council.

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01:44:04,420 --> 01:44:17,040
My name is Tim Gettis, and I want to be able to support this for citizens, seniors over 60.

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01:44:17,400 --> 01:44:18,260
I'm over 60.

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01:44:18,500 --> 01:44:19,640
I'm over 65.

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01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:20,900
I'm over 70.

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01:44:21,120 --> 01:44:22,180
I'm over 75.

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01:44:23,060 --> 01:44:27,380
So, and I visit the Senior Center at least once a week.

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01:44:27,380 --> 01:44:40,040
So, but I am, if the funding is already available, then I think that we should go for this

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01:44:40,040 --> 01:44:48,860
because Huntington Beach has an aging population. We need to be able to provide not only for

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01:44:48,860 --> 01:44:56,760
the present, but for years in the future and I look forward to supporting this. Thank you.

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01:44:56,760 --> 01:44:59,080
Thank you, and the speakers.

1285
01:45:00,180 --> 01:45:06,400
All right. No. I'm not going to close the public hearing. Any discussion from the colleagues?

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01:45:10,870 --> 01:45:16,530
Obviously a great program and I'd like to make a motion to move the recommended action so we can apply for this grant.

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01:45:18,880 --> 01:45:20,260
Seconded by Mayor Pro Temps 20.

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01:45:21,980 --> 01:45:27,140
Any debate or discussion? Okay. Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

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01:45:27,140 --> 01:45:33,920
Councilman Groen. Yes. Councilman Kennedy. Yes. Mayor Pro 1020. Yes. Mayor McKinney. Yes.

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01:45:35,300 --> 01:45:40,760
Councilwoman Vandermark. Yes. Councilman Williams. Yes. Item passes.

1291
01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:45,360
Six. Zero. One. Thank you.

1292
01:45:47,450 --> 01:45:49,030
All right. I'll next is the city manager's report.

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01:45:49,370 --> 01:45:53,090
Study session for landify. City manager please introduce the study session item.

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01:45:54,150 --> 01:45:57,970
Yes. This item was brought to city council early in this year.

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and staff has been working with Landa Phi, and I believe Ashley Weissaki will introduce the item.

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01:46:06,070 --> 01:46:15,110
Thank you. This evening, providing the presentation is our facilities and development manager, Chris Cole, and President of Landa Phi, Jonathan Brighton.

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01:46:23,490 --> 01:46:26,810
Good evening, honorable mayor and city council members. I'm Chris Cole.

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01:46:26,810 --> 01:46:33,070
community services community services manager for the community library services department.

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01:46:33,690 --> 01:46:38,150
I have with us tonight Jonathan Brayden from Cymru Colandify and basically what we have

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01:46:38,150 --> 01:46:43,150
to talk about tonight is that we might have an opportunity to turn that old defunct

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01:46:43,150 --> 01:46:46,730
property in Huntington Touch of Park East which was formerly the outdoor gun range

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01:46:46,730 --> 01:46:51,550
and actually turned it into usable open park space. And so Jonathan's here tonight to

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01:46:51,550 --> 01:46:55,030
go over once again on how he might be able to help us accomplish that goal.

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01:46:55,790 --> 01:47:01,370
Good evening, Mayor. Good evening, council members. Jonathan Biden, I'm working for

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01:47:01,370 --> 01:47:08,370
landify. Landify is the U.S. subsidiary of Group CTT. Group CTT has been working

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01:47:08,370 --> 01:47:14,750
in operating for 50 years. We completed more than 100 projects historically in Europe.

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We are, thank you very much. We are experienced with disturbed,

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degraded sites such as brownfield, quarries, illegal dump sites, and sensitive areas.

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01:47:29,650 --> 01:47:37,070
What we do is that we repurpose those pieces of land using soil coming from construction

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sites.

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01:47:39,070 --> 01:47:43,650
We completed, we're working on close to 12 projects in California.

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We're working in the north near San Francisco.

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01:47:47,610 --> 01:47:53,910
So we are working on projects here in Orange County with the City of Orange, with the

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01:47:53,910 --> 01:47:57,510
Sea of Chulavista in San Diego County.

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The way the model works is fairly simple.

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When you have construction happening somewhere, there are materials, dirt and concrete,

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of concrete that are generated by those construction works and usually those materials go into

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01:48:20,550 --> 01:48:29,530
landfills to that they're used for daily cover to cover the landfills. So not very productive use.

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01:48:29,710 --> 01:48:36,550
What we do is that we intercept those flows and we use those flows in order to reshape pieces of land.

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01:48:36,550 --> 01:48:44,170
this is what we've been doing for 50 years. It allows us to deliver open spaces projects

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at no cost for municipalities. The way the model is funded is through what we call the tipping fees.

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Those are the fees that are paid by the construction companies that come and bring us soil.

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They would pay those the same tipping fees if they were going to landfield.

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01:49:01,550 --> 01:49:08,890
So we are just intercepting the flows, we are sourcing sites that are closer to construction sites,

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allowing them to save and transportation costs, so they are incentivized in coming to us.

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And that provides those tipping fees, provides a funding source that allows us to develop the projects that we work on.

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So it's a new innovative way of funding projects and redeveloping pieces of pieces of land by using

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flows that are already existent in terms of construction linked dirt.

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In terms of the projects that we're developing, I mentioned we're developing 12 projects

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in California, one of them that you have here on the screen is a bike park project that

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01:49:49,750 --> 01:49:56,750
we started a year ago in the city of Vacaville, north of San Francisco, you can see the

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idea of the project is it's a public public.

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All right. So, once again, the proposed public public park owned by the city of Vacaville, and they wanted to develop a bike park. The city needed funding for this bike park, and so we came with this concept and signed a contract with the city, allowing us to import dirt coming from neighboring construction sites, create the landform, and then generate funding to develop amenities on top of the landform to deliver a bike park for the city of Vacaville.

1334
01:50:31,120 --> 01:50:37,420
So, once again, the proposed area of focus is the old defunded gun range, I think, in such a park east.

1335
01:50:37,920 --> 01:50:39,240
It's right behind the sports complex.

1336
01:50:39,860 --> 01:50:41,000
It's roughly about eight acres.

1337
01:50:41,540 --> 01:50:45,120
It's currently unusable to sit out there doing nothing for us.

1338
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:49,800
The soil's contaminated, and it is already designated as park open space.

1339
01:50:49,880 --> 01:50:51,800
That's part of the central park master plan already.

1340
01:50:54,770 --> 01:50:59,710
So, next steps, next steps what we'd like to do is to evaluate this proposal.

1341
01:50:59,710 --> 01:51:08,090
We'd have to enter into an MOU with landify that would give them the ability to go on the property site and conduct the feasibility studies.

1342
01:51:09,130 --> 01:51:13,170
The landify will assume all the upfront costs and risk associated with these studies.

1343
01:51:13,790 --> 01:51:18,670
There's no project approval or project commitment at this time in this part of the process.

1344
01:51:19,270 --> 01:51:26,790
And if this city elects to move forward with a external fill disposal fee funding model, it would do so as landify.

1345
01:51:26,790 --> 01:51:30,850
And if it's found feasible, we would have to go into a separate agreement,

1346
01:51:31,030 --> 01:51:33,090
landified, actually conduct the work.

1347
01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:43,280
So next steps after the studies would be to collect the community input,

1348
01:51:43,400 --> 01:51:47,100
and ask the residents, what would you like to see in this new park space?

1349
01:51:47,440 --> 01:51:49,060
What kind of amenities would you like there?

1350
01:51:49,300 --> 01:51:50,760
That's how we like to develop our parks.

1351
01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:52,280
It's a really community process.

1352
01:51:53,260 --> 01:51:56,160
Then also we would consult with the city attorney's office,

1353
01:51:56,500 --> 01:51:58,440
about Measure C and Measure L.

1354
01:51:58,440 --> 01:52:08,360
We bring in contract back the council that would authorize land apply to do the actual work and then we'd also need to secure the balance of the project funding if necessary, and

1355
01:52:12,130 --> 01:52:14,270
with that you have any questions?

1356
01:52:14,590 --> 01:52:15,230
Any questions, Dawn?

1357
01:52:17,400 --> 01:52:17,760
Sure.

1358
01:52:19,420 --> 01:52:21,620
I remember when you came in before and I appreciate you coming back.

1359
01:52:22,180 --> 01:52:30,280
So the tipping fees, you received the free soil right from people that'd rather dump here as opposed to going to the landfills.

1360
01:52:30,280 --> 01:52:34,380
So you receive that, you create the proposed land form.

1361
01:52:35,140 --> 01:52:41,360
Does that mean you have an idea or you just create a level platform to build on?

1362
01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:47,600
It really, the beauty we've done is that we have the capability of shaping it,

1363
01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:49,180
so the form that's required.

1364
01:52:49,460 --> 01:52:54,100
So that's really going to be dependent on the end using what's the cambia plateau.

1365
01:52:54,780 --> 01:52:59,200
It can be hills, it's really dependent on what is useful at the end.

1366
01:52:59,200 --> 01:53:03,900
that obviously this is something that we can work on that will be part of the feasibility

1367
01:53:03,900 --> 01:53:10,280
study that we're trying to assess is looking at a conceptual lampform to see because obviously

1368
01:53:10,280 --> 01:53:17,260
directly the form, the lampform, the form of the lampform will drive the volume out of dirt that

1369
01:53:17,260 --> 01:53:21,420
will be required to deliver that and obviously as we're linked to the volume, this will be very

1370
01:53:21,420 --> 01:53:26,620
important. So this is something that we need to discuss within this feasibility study to have

1371
01:53:26,620 --> 01:53:32,760
some kind of a concept, is it a plateau, is it more hills, in order for us to have an idea

1372
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:35,840
of the volume and thus assess the feasibility of the project?

1373
01:53:36,780 --> 01:53:39,100
So the timeline would be MOU feasibility.

1374
01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:47,320
While that's happening, we should simultaneously come up with ideas because the feasibility,

1375
01:53:47,640 --> 01:53:48,260
what's the timeline?

1376
01:53:48,360 --> 01:53:52,940
How long would it take you to determine feasibility for that couple of months, three to six months?

1377
01:53:52,940 --> 01:54:18,520
So what would happen if you've put that time in effort in, and we're still trying to figure out, well, you know, things move slowly with the public, and rightfully so, you know, it takes time to determine what you want to put on eight acres, so I can't imagine that we're going to have, you know, a finished idea by the time you're done importing soil, so what happens then, or do you try and time it, you wait till we have something before you proceed with the beginning?

1378
01:54:18,520 --> 01:54:25,820
We can do several things. We can do something that's neutral like a plateau which allows you to develop afterwards and have, you know, the granularity.

1379
01:54:26,020 --> 01:54:34,300
We can also do what we're doing in a intruder vista where they have a huge university project that they're in the planning stages of and we're doing a stockpiling.

1380
01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:41,700
So we're stockpiling dirt, which will be reused afterwards to reshape and to shape some of the green areas.

1381
01:54:41,700 --> 01:54:51,700
So that also allows a lot of flexibility so we can either do it in an advanced or stock pile and then come back when the project is finalised.

1382
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:57,160
So up to that point, the cost of one side, you're incurring all the costs, right?

1383
01:54:57,680 --> 01:54:59,980
So we know it's contaminating as Mr. Cole's.

1384
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:11,540
It's clear that it's going to be contaminated. So in your feasibility, do you look at the level of contamination and what it's going to take to remediate it? That's part of your assessments. Probably the sole reason for this assessment.

1385
01:55:11,600 --> 01:55:22,480
Exactly. There's a central policy that's talking to the agencies. Does that remind what's required in terms of a remediation for the site? Can it be, you know, what, what will we record and what will be the cost of this remediation?

1386
01:55:23,020 --> 01:55:29,980
Seeing that if, you know, some of the solutions that we're bringing with, you know, new to coming in, can we encapsulate parts of the pollution?

1387
01:55:29,980 --> 01:55:34,580
is that feasible or not? And so that's the discussion that we want to have during this feasibility

1388
01:55:34,580 --> 01:55:39,880
with the agencies to see what we need to remove all of the materials. That's the whole purpose.

1389
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:45,620
So you determine it, it needs to be remedied in which is a given. That's another cost that you're

1390
01:55:45,620 --> 01:55:51,980
willing to incur as they're correct. If it's exactly. Yes. If it requires digging or if it

1391
01:55:51,980 --> 01:55:56,480
requires covering, that's obviously more volumes for us in terms of importing dirt,

1392
01:55:56,480 --> 01:56:01,320
more generation, you know, tipping fee generation for the project.

1393
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:05,440
So at that point, the expense is all you born by you.

1394
01:56:05,600 --> 01:56:10,140
So is your inevitable goal then to be the developer of the project, once it's been identified,

1395
01:56:10,340 --> 01:56:13,660
and it's ready to be built, is that how you earn?

1396
01:56:14,880 --> 01:56:19,820
We really, again, our business is ready to import debts and to create the landfill.

1397
01:56:20,060 --> 01:56:23,420
What's developed on top of the landfill is something you know,

1398
01:56:23,420 --> 01:56:28,240
go through third parties for the bike park that we're doing and we're developing in Vancouver.

1399
01:56:28,480 --> 01:56:32,660
We're going to go through a third party. So really our business model is really importing

1400
01:56:32,660 --> 01:56:37,440
dirt and creating land forms and shapes. What's developed on top is really, you know, we work

1401
01:56:37,440 --> 01:56:43,100
with, whomever the city or the people we work with, what does one does to work with. What we provide

1402
01:56:43,100 --> 01:56:53,060
is funding for this for those developments. Oh, you also provide the funding. So you're a

1403
01:56:53,060 --> 01:57:02,780
No, no. Again, the funding comes from the tipping fees, so part of the tipping fees is put as a budget to fund for the bike parking for instance the bike park amenities.

1404
01:57:04,480 --> 01:57:04,900
Okay.

1405
01:57:07,290 --> 01:57:07,710
Okay.

1406
01:57:08,290 --> 01:57:13,670
Don't we get a percentage? You give us a percentage of your tipping fees, the pay for that final product.

1407
01:57:14,330 --> 01:57:15,990
At the end of the day, it's a percentage exam.

1408
01:57:16,190 --> 01:57:17,090
Because it's not an exam.

1409
01:57:18,110 --> 01:57:20,970
Okay. One last question is,

1410
01:57:21,430 --> 01:57:26,530
And if we talked to all your customers here in the United States, has there been any failures?

1411
01:57:27,050 --> 01:57:32,190
I mean, I guess you really don't have a failable model because if you assess you're going to make sense,

1412
01:57:32,810 --> 01:57:40,290
then you move forward and at that point, the cost is completely your burden, right, but you've assessed it.

1413
01:57:40,410 --> 01:57:40,770
Yeah, absolutely.

1414
01:57:41,890 --> 01:57:45,690
We size all projects to make sure that we know that we're going to live with them.

1415
01:57:45,890 --> 01:57:46,070
So, yes.

1416
01:57:46,070 --> 01:57:53,390
So, once you deliver the land form, are you out of it or do you have oversight on the development or you've done at that point?

1417
01:57:53,670 --> 01:58:00,530
It really depends on the project we can do both. It depends if we're required to stay, or if the city wants to take ownership back.

1418
01:58:00,770 --> 01:58:03,230
It really depends on the on the on the agreement that we have.

1419
01:58:03,370 --> 01:58:08,110
And if you stay, do you act as a contract management firm and you take a fee?

1420
01:58:08,110 --> 01:58:15,450
We don't get paid on the project, so if we stay, it's really on our dime to make sure that the project is

1421
01:58:15,450 --> 01:58:26,650
state of the art because again, this is our only credential for the company is making sure that the project and the benchmark and the track record is good.

1422
01:58:27,270 --> 01:58:32,250
My last question then I'll be done. My colleagues can ask, do you have competitors?

1423
01:58:32,250 --> 01:58:39,210
I know you call this, which my background is business generation without reach.

1424
01:58:39,470 --> 01:58:44,410
So we didn't do any outbound. I believe you call this. Do you have any competitors in the United States?

1425
01:58:45,170 --> 01:58:51,590
In the world, you can do it. We're doing exactly the same model offering the services that we're offering.

1426
01:58:53,070 --> 01:58:54,630
Nobody in the United States?

1427
01:58:55,190 --> 01:58:57,270
Okay. You got them in a lovely.

1428
01:58:58,050 --> 01:58:58,350
Thank you.

1429
01:59:00,110 --> 01:59:06,770
But do you take care of the geotechnical engineering fees too when you're bringing in an imported

1430
01:59:06,770 --> 01:59:08,810
soil for a compaction and all that?

1431
01:59:10,050 --> 01:59:15,650
Yes, obviously depends on where it's required, but yes, some of the projects it's open

1432
01:59:15,650 --> 01:59:19,590
space, so not a lot of geotechnical, but we're working for instance on a project where there's

1433
01:59:19,590 --> 01:59:23,810
going to be commercial development on top, so geotechnical will be involved.

1434
01:59:24,330 --> 01:59:25,490
Okay, thank you.

1435
01:59:27,000 --> 01:59:27,580
The other questions?

1436
01:59:28,600 --> 01:59:28,920
Yes, sir.

1437
01:59:29,640 --> 01:59:34,880
All right, so I understand the next step is the MOU, so I want to be very careful in terms

1438
01:59:34,880 --> 01:59:39,160
of what we are agreeing upon and one of the things that you would share and I paid attention

1439
01:59:39,160 --> 01:59:42,000
to is it depends on what the agreement is with the city.

1440
01:59:42,920 --> 01:59:49,700
And so when it comes to the backup bill, the tipping fees, if they could completely cover

1441
01:59:49,700 --> 01:59:54,400
the cost of the development in backup bill so that the city doesn't have to put any money

1442
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:55,160
into that development.

1443
01:59:55,160 --> 01:59:59,980
we haven't started yet, so are you in five years when we're done with the landfill, but that's the...

1444
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:00,780
That's the idea.

1445
02:00:01,600 --> 02:00:06,780
And I understand there is some upfront risk that you are taking on and that's why you want exclusivity

1446
02:00:06,780 --> 02:00:10,480
that we wouldn't go with somebody else once you've done that feasibility analysis.

1447
02:00:11,540 --> 02:00:11,900
Go ahead.

1448
02:00:12,460 --> 02:00:16,520
If we, if, if it's to develop something using dirt, so you can develop, if it, if you don't

1449
02:00:16,520 --> 02:00:18,340
use dirt, we have no exclusivity.

1450
02:00:18,540 --> 02:00:23,500
So these, the exclusivity is just on the business model, which is importing, importing dirt to

1451
02:00:23,500 --> 02:00:24,840
create something on top.

1452
02:00:25,480 --> 02:00:29,180
So let us suppose you import that dirt, you get the dumping fees out of that, you just give

1453
02:00:29,180 --> 02:00:34,000
maybe just a flat foundation to work with and then we can sat right let's go

1454
02:00:34,000 --> 02:00:37,240
separate ways and we're going to bring in our own developer if we want to

1455
02:00:37,240 --> 02:00:41,340
expand the sports complex or put a jungle gym we're not on the hook with you

1456
02:00:41,340 --> 02:00:45,160
in any exclusive agreement with this MOU to develop anything from that

1457
02:00:45,160 --> 02:00:49,980
point forward correct okay and then when it comes to the sequel analysis who's

1458
02:00:49,980 --> 02:00:56,580
covering the cost yes who is sorry we all covering the cult sorry you guys are

1459
02:00:56,580 --> 02:00:57,260
every in the cost.

1460
02:00:58,380 --> 02:01:02,420
And then Chris, I'd notice just kind of towards the end there, you talked about, you know,

1461
02:01:02,480 --> 02:01:03,020
a difference.

1462
02:01:03,500 --> 02:01:08,440
Like if the tipping fees didn't add up that the city could be on the hook in some way to

1463
02:01:08,440 --> 02:01:09,540
cover some type of difference.

1464
02:01:10,080 --> 02:01:12,360
Would all be really about what we want as the end use.

1465
02:01:12,520 --> 02:01:18,700
So if we want to build some elaborate, water park, aqua pool facility that's very expensive,

1466
02:01:19,200 --> 02:01:23,360
then of course, let if I dollars really go so far to get us to the goal, but safely wanted

1467
02:01:23,360 --> 02:01:25,200
to have just more open park space.

1468
02:01:25,200 --> 02:01:28,360
and it's within reach of their budget, and there's no cost to see,

1469
02:01:28,400 --> 02:01:32,880
especially what we decide to do in the end is what's going to be the final cost of the overall project.

1470
02:01:33,760 --> 02:01:38,640
Okay. So at this stage, the feasibility study and the MOU agreement that we're entering into,

1471
02:01:38,780 --> 02:01:43,440
it's a exclusive agreement that you can go do the research, you're covering the upfront cost.

1472
02:01:43,800 --> 02:01:48,600
If it looks good, you guys will proceed forward, and you are the only ones that could use that model then,

1473
02:01:48,600 --> 02:01:52,600
of using tipping fees, right? The dirt, that's it.

1474
02:01:52,600 --> 02:01:55,760
That has nothing to do with development from that point forward.

1475
02:01:55,960 --> 02:02:00,520
We're not married to you guys or on the hook in any way to utilize you move with this

1476
02:02:00,520 --> 02:02:00,820
MOU.

1477
02:02:01,040 --> 02:02:01,620
Is that correct?

1478
02:02:01,860 --> 02:02:02,220
Correct.

1479
02:02:02,480 --> 02:02:05,000
And as Council Member mentioned, this is not our business model.

1480
02:02:05,160 --> 02:02:07,120
Developing things on top is not our business model.

1481
02:02:07,240 --> 02:02:08,980
Mr. Paul will agree with the landfill.

1482
02:02:11,290 --> 02:02:16,110
Is there any a scenario where we're exposed to any kind of funds that we need to be putting

1483
02:02:16,110 --> 02:02:16,430
in?

1484
02:02:16,450 --> 02:02:22,170
Chris Apart from, you know, wanting to develop a swimming pool or not this point and really

1485
02:02:22,170 --> 02:02:26,990
It's about collecting the community's input about what we want as the end use for that that

1486
02:02:26,990 --> 02:02:30,850
will really detect or determine on what the overall cost will be in the end.

1487
02:02:31,530 --> 02:02:33,810
Which could possibly just be just give us a flat foundation.

1488
02:02:36,510 --> 02:02:38,230
That's it for me.

1489
02:02:39,590 --> 02:02:40,370
It's a quick question.

1490
02:02:41,090 --> 02:02:45,550
Just walking through a perfect scenario for you from a business owner's perspective is that

1491
02:02:45,550 --> 02:02:50,330
you do a feasibility analysis that it determines that it needs to be enough clean up that

1492
02:02:50,330 --> 02:02:55,570
able to bring in enough dirt to cover the cost of doing so and then that's it like what's

1493
02:02:55,570 --> 02:03:00,530
kind of the pitch deck perfect scenario for you. That's exactly what you mentioned it's having

1494
02:03:00,530 --> 02:03:07,350
having a volume of soil required to remediate the side and deliver what wants to be delivered what

1495
02:03:07,350 --> 02:03:13,110
needs to be delivered that works for us from the economic standpoint. But you are incentivised to

1496
02:03:13,110 --> 02:03:18,850
move dirt effectively. We are maximised to maximise the volume of dirt. Okay so then is there a

1497
02:03:18,850 --> 02:03:25,030
area in which you do a feasibility analysis and hypothetically say, well, the level of contamination

1498
02:03:25,030 --> 02:03:30,350
is so low that the amount of dirt we're ultimately going to have to move is minimal

1499
02:03:30,350 --> 02:03:36,730
and therefore it's kind of project ready right now, or would you be incentivized to make sure

1500
02:03:36,730 --> 02:03:40,510
there's dirt moving around to at least cover the cost of having to do the feasibility analysis.

1501
02:03:41,850 --> 02:03:45,790
I'm not sure I understand the question. The dirt is imported from outside of the site.

1502
02:03:45,790 --> 02:03:46,630
Yes, correct.

1503
02:03:46,930 --> 02:03:50,490
So, the more dirt we import from outside of the site, the better it is.

1504
02:03:51,630 --> 02:03:55,830
But so, in theory, the incentive for you is to bring in as much dirt as possible.

1505
02:03:57,170 --> 02:04:04,070
So I guess my question then would also be in this scenario that it's deeply, deeply

1506
02:04:04,070 --> 02:04:12,450
contaminated and the contamination is of such complicated nature that it's almost outside

1507
02:04:12,450 --> 02:04:17,390
of the scope of what you can do, would you then just kind of do a report, lay that out for us

1508
02:04:17,390 --> 02:04:21,590
that then we as a city could ultimately make the determination as to what we would want to do.

1509
02:04:22,090 --> 02:04:27,830
And then you would end up eating a cost. I guess that's the risk of kind of doing it for free at that point.

1510
02:04:27,970 --> 02:04:33,150
Yeah, you'll have the report available. Okay. But again, if it's digging to get rid of the dirt,

1511
02:04:33,510 --> 02:04:42,430
then it's more volume for us because then you need to fill in the hole. So that's why the

1512
02:04:42,430 --> 02:04:48,070
one it read if it's going to depend on on on different parameters. Have you ever run into a

1513
02:04:48,070 --> 02:04:52,350
senate scenario where the contamination is so complicated that it's almost to the degree of

1514
02:04:52,350 --> 02:04:58,050
we shouldn't even move this way out. Yes, we're working on a project where it's complicated,

1515
02:04:58,050 --> 02:04:59,970
where we're actually even...

1516
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:08,980
And remediation is not clear to you know what is required. So at that point you kind of cut bait and go, but at least the client got the overall analysis.

1517
02:05:09,500 --> 02:05:13,000
And then they use it. Okay, got it. Thank you.

1518
02:05:15,860 --> 02:05:19,000
You're not talking about fill and solid miller in the right.

1519
02:05:20,320 --> 02:05:31,080
the high and what you said before because we've talked a couple times it's going to take about

1520
02:05:31,080 --> 02:05:40,980
18 months to complete if it works out for the dirt come in. Once you start accepting dirt,

1521
02:05:41,360 --> 02:05:46,300
it would be about 18 months. It really depends on the volume again it's really going to be

1522
02:05:46,300 --> 02:05:52,460
if it's 1 million cubic yards, it's not the same as 10,000 cubic yards, so it's really going to depend on, but yes, you know.

1523
02:05:52,620 --> 02:05:54,380
That's what you asked them at the world.

1524
02:05:54,760 --> 02:05:56,220
Yes, at this stage, but yeah.

1525
02:05:56,240 --> 02:05:56,760
All right, cool.

1526
02:05:58,850 --> 02:06:00,370
I think much was, yeah.

1527
02:06:01,390 --> 02:06:06,010
Does your process include export and then import?

1528
02:06:06,970 --> 02:06:11,750
Do you export out the contaminated soil and then bring in clean soil?

1529
02:06:12,250 --> 02:06:17,390
up is this is just imposing clean soils so we would need to work with a third party to

1530
02:06:17,390 --> 02:06:21,730
expose if you know digging was required we would need to work with a third party.

1531
02:06:24,030 --> 02:06:30,130
Okay all right that's it for now I guess on that can I jump in sorry I mean how do you

1532
02:06:30,130 --> 02:06:36,850
make money if you're dumping contaminated soil somewhere the cost of that versus dumping clean

1533
02:06:36,850 --> 02:06:40,670
soil somewhere else and making money off of that it would seem like it would almost cost

1534
02:06:40,670 --> 02:06:46,810
more, they go tip contaminated soil somewhere else and it would tip clean dirt here.

1535
02:06:47,150 --> 02:06:51,250
It really depends on the, as the council member, it depends on the volumes. If we're talking

1536
02:06:51,250 --> 02:06:57,670
about getting rid of 10,000 cubic yards versus importing 200 or 300,000 cubic yards, then

1537
02:06:57,670 --> 02:07:02,950
you can see that the volume makes the volume makes the whole business work. You're not getting

1538
02:07:02,950 --> 02:07:07,970
a lot per cubic yard, but you're putting more volume than what you're getting out. So that's how

1539
02:07:07,970 --> 02:07:09,230
the economics work.

1540
02:07:09,630 --> 02:07:12,410
Typically, where would you be taking contaminated soil from here

1541
02:07:12,410 --> 02:07:13,550
in dumping it?

1542
02:07:14,350 --> 02:07:19,910
To proper landfills, or even organized, organized,

1543
02:07:19,910 --> 02:07:20,990
organized on-site.

1544
02:07:21,330 --> 02:07:23,150
That's why we would work with third parties

1545
02:07:23,150 --> 02:07:24,950
that are specialized in that to make sure

1546
02:07:24,950 --> 02:07:28,030
that the dirt is put in the right areas.

1547
02:07:29,310 --> 02:07:29,550
Crazy.

1548
02:07:31,680 --> 02:07:33,240
So, once you start the project,

1549
02:07:33,260 --> 02:07:37,340
decided it would be about 18 months or 16 months.

1550
02:07:38,040 --> 02:07:48,340
So you're not, or you don't have a timeframe from beginning to it's really linked to the volume, so it can, again, it varies a lot if it's a project that's 50,000

1551
02:07:48,340 --> 02:07:58,120
import, it's very different from a project that's 150,000 so it's very, very, very varies on the volume that's required to be imported.

1552
02:07:58,120 --> 02:08:09,460
So if you start the project, I guess my question is, how long into the project before you can tell whether it's feasible for you to continue?

1553
02:08:11,700 --> 02:08:15,220
So how long that would be done before? That would be done with the feasibility.

1554
02:08:15,580 --> 02:08:21,360
We know that, you know, in the feasibility, we know if it's going to be feasible or not.

1555
02:08:21,360 --> 02:08:26,880
The other big important aspect is the number of trucks that we're bringing per day.

1556
02:08:27,400 --> 02:08:31,480
If for some reasons, in some of the seas, we're working for we have limitations

1557
02:08:31,480 --> 02:08:37,720
on the number of trucks that we bring, then obviously that lengthens the process given compared

1558
02:08:37,720 --> 02:08:43,560
to if you can bring 100 trucks per day compared to 50 trucks, but they obviously that has an impact

1559
02:08:43,560 --> 02:08:45,160
on the timing of the project.

1560
02:08:45,840 --> 02:08:50,220
Okay, I remember we talked about this sort of a year ago, so we sat down at the office,

1561
02:08:50,220 --> 02:08:51,500
So thanks for coming back.

1562
02:08:51,720 --> 02:08:52,200
I want to say thanks.

1563
02:08:52,340 --> 02:08:52,520
Thought.

1564
02:08:54,830 --> 02:08:56,030
Thanks for touching on the trucks.

1565
02:08:56,450 --> 02:08:58,030
That's just maybe thing one question.

1566
02:08:58,270 --> 02:08:59,050
Then I have one other question.

1567
02:08:59,630 --> 02:09:06,670
If there's road damage with that much trucks moving in and out, heavy loaded, who owns

1568
02:09:06,670 --> 02:09:09,510
the road damage, if there is any.

1569
02:09:09,850 --> 02:09:13,030
You know, if you follow the Sun, you'll like you said you have a hundred trucks coming in

1570
02:09:13,030 --> 02:09:16,930
and out, that's way more than we're getting right now in Golden West and a concentrated

1571
02:09:16,930 --> 02:09:18,790
effort, you know, concentrated time period.

1572
02:09:18,790 --> 02:09:38,230
If there's pavement damage, it's real noticeable, is that something that we just absorb or we work with cities on that we do traffic studies to make sure that we assess that properly and that we have the right share of costs that are allocated so that's also that would be also a part of the feasibility study.

1573
02:09:39,550 --> 02:09:44,970
So in a perfect world, if we said, what's your first name? Jonathan. Jonathan.

1574
02:09:44,970 --> 02:09:51,570
our goal, what you've just, you know, simultaneously, while you're trying to determine feasibility

1575
02:09:51,570 --> 02:09:59,410
and you're coming to the conclusion that yes, and if we, at that point, said, hey, we want this giant, I'm just going to use this skate park, bike park.

1576
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:13,940
And we have an architect that's already laid out the hill structures and everything else. Would you lay the dirt kind of in rough form, you know, following an architectural plan to build the hills and all those different things, kind of like what you said you're doing is that what you guys do.

1577
02:10:13,960 --> 02:10:15,140
That's exactly what we're doing that.

1578
02:10:15,580 --> 02:10:26,900
And then we would bring in another developer to finish the concrete and all the amenities things like that. Would you pack the dirt or would you just lay hill sites based on an architectural plan?

1579
02:10:26,900 --> 02:10:29,720
We can do whatever makes the more sense for the projects.

1580
02:10:29,900 --> 02:10:33,600
Again, we have people, we have blue color people that are capable of shaping.

1581
02:10:33,960 --> 02:10:36,560
So at that point, that becomes a cost for the city.

1582
02:10:37,500 --> 02:10:40,820
Lane out dirt based on a scheme, you know, a schematic.

1583
02:10:41,340 --> 02:10:43,660
That's something that's what you do.

1584
02:10:43,860 --> 02:10:47,560
At that point, there's still no cost to us, because we've given you a plan.

1585
02:10:48,020 --> 02:10:53,160
And you've based the import, the tipping fees on how we want to lay it out in the cubic yards, right?

1586
02:10:53,160 --> 02:11:09,960
So we could inevitably end up with a eight acre hillside in land-formed dirt field, if you will, and we say thanks Jonathan, and we've already priced out what it's going to take to pour the concrete and finish out the park, skate park, bike park,

1587
02:11:09,960 --> 02:11:12,840
and what the case may be, just using that as a scenario.

1588
02:11:13,780 --> 02:11:15,500
And you go on your way and we go on our way,

1589
02:11:15,720 --> 02:11:17,860
we start paying the cost to finish it,

1590
02:11:17,860 --> 02:11:20,580
but you've laid it out in rough form, correct?

1591
02:11:20,760 --> 02:11:21,740
Correct, plus.

1592
02:11:21,980 --> 02:11:24,500
Hi, for any depending on the volume you have a budget,

1593
02:11:24,860 --> 02:11:27,400
that's the percentage of the tipping fees

1594
02:11:27,400 --> 02:11:32,200
that you can use to do the final grading.

1595
02:11:32,420 --> 02:11:35,380
If we drafted the MOU yet, okay.

1596
02:11:36,680 --> 02:11:37,160
Good.

1597
02:11:38,400 --> 02:11:44,260
Yeah, I'd like to last year, I'd like it today, like it tomorrow, great business model

1598
02:11:44,260 --> 02:11:46,540
I'm in this business myself, makes a lot of sense.

1599
02:11:47,500 --> 02:11:52,380
So obviously it's going to bear a minimum, you guys do an environmental report to show what

1600
02:11:52,380 --> 02:11:54,180
the current condition of the soil is.

1601
02:11:54,280 --> 02:11:58,740
In the best case, you just touched on it, clean fill, activates all eight acres, potentially

1602
02:11:58,740 --> 02:12:03,320
as a spread we make on the cubic volume you guys bring in for a future project, we're looking

1603
02:12:03,320 --> 02:12:06,500
to enhance the sports center.

1604
02:12:07,680 --> 02:12:09,520
So this is just another way to add, potentially,

1605
02:12:09,680 --> 02:12:10,780
eight more acres title facility.

1606
02:12:11,380 --> 02:12:12,380
So to me, it makes a lot of sense.

1607
02:12:13,520 --> 02:12:15,320
And I say, let's just, you know, I'll make the motion

1608
02:12:15,320 --> 02:12:17,400
and move forward and draft that MoEU.

1609
02:12:18,320 --> 02:12:18,940
No, second.

1610
02:12:24,930 --> 02:12:26,570
Yeah, but it's just for council direction

1611
02:12:26,570 --> 02:12:28,690
to just begin drafting that MoEU.

1612
02:12:29,710 --> 02:12:29,890
Yep.

1613
02:12:30,250 --> 02:12:31,310
Please call the vote.

1614
02:12:33,700 --> 02:12:34,780
No, you're a real person.

1615
02:12:35,120 --> 02:12:35,320
Yes, mayor.

1616
02:12:35,680 --> 02:12:37,300
Because this is a standard session item,

1617
02:12:37,440 --> 02:12:39,040
it's probably not proper to vote on it.

1618
02:12:39,040 --> 02:12:41,160
We have the direction we can come back with.

1619
02:12:41,420 --> 02:12:42,860
Sounds good.

1620
02:12:43,540 --> 02:12:43,940
Thank you, Jonathan.

1621
02:12:44,480 --> 02:12:45,000
Thank you very much.

1622
02:12:45,220 --> 02:12:45,580
Thank you.

1623
02:12:49,380 --> 02:12:49,680
All right.

1624
02:12:49,680 --> 02:12:52,380
Next up is the study session for the Sports Complex.

1625
02:12:55,040 --> 02:12:56,140
Real quick point of order.

1626
02:12:56,280 --> 02:13:02,380
I got an each item with finance commissioner here to give a presentation in that council item.

1627
02:13:02,420 --> 02:13:06,580
But if we could just bring him in during this time, we could eliminate the need for him later.

1628
02:13:07,140 --> 02:13:08,320
Just thought we could do it all together.

1629
02:13:09,760 --> 02:13:10,540
I'm going to follow that.

1630
02:13:10,940 --> 02:13:13,920
But for proper protocol, I like the staff to do their presentation first.

1631
02:13:13,920 --> 02:13:19,560
Yeah, well we'll have them at the end so I just had it as a council member item just her case is a fail save

1632
02:13:19,560 --> 02:13:23,380
So I'm able to present at the end then we can you know

1633
02:13:23,380 --> 02:13:25,420
You know, I'm okay with it.

1634
02:13:29,160 --> 02:13:29,160
Cool

1635
02:13:29,880 --> 02:13:36,300
So this item is the follow up from a council meeting in July on the sports complex and

1636
02:13:37,320 --> 02:13:40,380
Zach Z will provide the staff report

1637
02:13:41,980 --> 02:13:42,540
Good

1638
02:13:51,880 --> 02:13:56,280
evening Mayor and members of the city council tonight tonight's items

1639
02:13:56,280 --> 02:14:01,580
of returning from the July 7th City Council meeting where Huntington Beach Sports Complex

1640
02:14:01,580 --> 02:14:05,820
or HBSC partners presented proposed improvements for the Sports Complex.

1641
02:14:06,500 --> 02:14:11,020
Council then voted to refer the proposed improvements for review by Finance Commission

1642
02:14:11,020 --> 02:14:14,300
and come back with recommendations on the 18th which is tonight.

1643
02:14:15,420 --> 02:14:20,120
The Finance Commission also has a subcommittee that is comprised of Commissioner Boom

1644
02:14:20,120 --> 02:14:22,740
Garden, Commissioner Schnell, and Commissioner Geary.

1645
02:14:26,100 --> 02:14:32,560
staff met with the subcommittee to provide requested information for the sports complex each week.

1646
02:14:33,200 --> 02:14:39,980
We had various information exchanges over the course of that time, and along with our regular Monday meetings,

1647
02:14:40,180 --> 02:14:44,680
we've also had discussion with the whole commission on a regularly held meeting,

1648
02:14:45,500 --> 02:14:49,220
and a special meeting to vote on recommended recommendations before you tonight.

1649
02:14:54,120 --> 02:14:59,980
The subcommittee presented the following recommendations at the Finance Commission special meeting.

1650
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:06,980
And voted on a total of eight separate recommendations for council before you, for consideration.

1651
02:15:07,920 --> 02:15:11,240
And I'll go through each one of the recommendations right now.

1652
02:15:13,550 --> 02:15:21,110
Recommendation number one, and I'll just read through the recommendations as was adopted, or as was approved through the Finance Commission.

1653
02:15:21,910 --> 02:15:26,130
Recommendation number one, sequel first, no agreements until complete.

1654
02:15:26,130 --> 02:15:34,370
Do not execute any agreement contracts or a more useful until sequence fully completed and the city understands what is permissible and at what costs.

1655
02:15:34,650 --> 02:15:40,650
HPC partnership pay for all SQL related costs, scope, studies, environmental services, not the city.

1656
02:15:44,790 --> 02:15:49,170
Recommendation number two issue an RFI to maximize value and resident benefit.

1657
02:15:49,930 --> 02:15:55,950
Issue an RFI immediately to ensure the city receives the best possible suggested upgrades or alternative usage option.

1658
02:15:56,970 --> 02:16:04,210
improve operational and revenue performance and enhance the value that improves revenue to the city and usage by and value to residents.

1659
02:16:04,930 --> 02:16:09,130
Require a formal response by HPSE partners, so city has a formal proposal to review.

1660
02:16:10,030 --> 02:16:12,970
And response should be evaluated by various departments and

1661
02:16:14,210 --> 02:16:20,510
Finance Commission to determine whether continuing with HPSE partners beyond the term the contract is in the city's best interest.

1662
02:16:24,370 --> 02:16:29,210
Recommendation number three all proof up. Sorry all upgrades must follow city procurement rules

1663
02:16:29,750 --> 02:16:33,030
All proof upgrades and change must follow city procurement processes

1664
02:16:33,550 --> 02:16:38,850
Ensuring transparency competitive bidding and compliance with city code and charter and state of and federal

1665
02:16:40,010 --> 02:16:40,650
Requirements

1666
02:16:42,990 --> 02:16:47,250
Recommendation number four established minimum base rent plus revenue share

1667
02:16:48,250 --> 02:16:54,250
Recommendation to create new agreement requiring a guarantee minimum base rent to ensure positive cash flow

1668
02:16:54,250 --> 02:16:58,250
at a revenue sharing structure above the base rent to reward strong

1669
02:16:58,250 --> 02:16:59,290
operator performance.

1670
02:17:04,250 --> 02:17:07,670
Recommendation number five, modernized parking and field use rates.

1671
02:17:08,110 --> 02:17:11,790
Consider removing rate restrictions and direct staff and finance commission to

1672
02:17:11,790 --> 02:17:16,270
develop new market align rates for parking and field use.

1673
02:17:16,670 --> 02:17:19,330
Determined equitable revenue splits between the city and operator.

1674
02:17:20,150 --> 02:17:23,430
And finance commission work to work with staff to create an agreement framework

1675
02:17:23,430 --> 02:17:27,230
that is enforceable and in the city's and residents' best interests.

1676
02:17:31,850 --> 02:17:37,030
Recommendation number six is independent audit of HBSC partners, three agreements.

1677
02:17:38,330 --> 02:17:42,130
Conducted independent audit of financial reporting and operating compliance across all three

1678
02:17:42,130 --> 02:17:42,730
agreements.

1679
02:17:43,450 --> 02:17:47,230
Audit should be directed by finance commission with assistance from city staff.

1680
02:17:47,870 --> 02:17:53,010
Refer any breaches of legal for remediation, termination, and recovery of funds as appropriate.

1681
02:17:56,490 --> 02:18:01,910
Recommendation number seven move agreements over sites to Treasury slash legal engagement

1682
02:18:02,970 --> 02:18:08,330
Management of HBSC agreements to bill crills team and legal also move oversight of a

1683
02:18:08,330 --> 02:18:11,630
Equestrian Center, Metal Lark, and Yacht Club agreements under the same structure

1684
02:18:11,630 --> 02:18:16,130
Place bill crills team under Treasury leadership for stronger financial oversight

1685
02:18:18,440 --> 02:18:23,540
And last but not least recommendation number eight is public engagement before any facility changes

1686
02:18:24,240 --> 02:18:29,640
The recommendation is to engage an independent facilitator to conduct public meetings on all proposed changes.

1687
02:18:30,240 --> 02:18:34,220
No changes to facilities or operations should be preceded until public feedback is collected,

1688
02:18:35,200 --> 02:18:42,020
and findings should be reported to City Council, Finance Commission, CLS, and CLS staff and CLS Commission.

1689
02:18:47,210 --> 02:18:50,990
That concludes the presentation. Any up for questions?

1690
02:18:51,330 --> 02:18:51,810
Any questions?

1691
02:18:52,630 --> 02:18:53,150
Thank you, Zach.

1692
02:18:57,280 --> 02:18:58,180
Mr. Schnelle, you want to come down?

1693
02:18:58,180 --> 02:18:58,740
If

1694
02:19:07,280 --> 02:19:10,840
you could pull up that PowerPoint slide, this attached slide deck,

1695
02:19:13,140 --> 02:19:13,580
this one.

1696
02:19:14,800 --> 02:19:19,240
So I just want to give you guys a little more context on how we got here and why we made the recommendations.

1697
02:19:20,520 --> 02:19:21,740
So let's just get started.

1698
02:19:22,380 --> 02:19:26,580
I think it's important to understand the, if you guys can hear me okay, the history and the financials.

1699
02:19:27,220 --> 02:19:28,420
Keep on going.

1700
02:19:29,300 --> 02:19:29,340
Sure.

1701
02:19:30,100 --> 02:19:30,320
Thank you.

1702
02:19:32,890 --> 02:19:34,050
And I'll go through these quickly.

1703
02:19:34,530 --> 02:19:35,190
So next slide.

1704
02:19:39,460 --> 02:19:44,280
So, a little history, see I understand why some of these recommendations were created.

1705
02:19:44,700 --> 02:19:45,780
This used to be a dump.

1706
02:19:46,320 --> 02:19:49,800
In the 40s, 50s, 60s, it was a 30-acre site.

1707
02:19:50,260 --> 02:19:53,220
It was an online municipal solid waste landfill.

1708
02:19:54,000 --> 02:19:59,160
And it was millions of cubic yards of commercial and household waste up to 35 feet.

1709
02:19:59,360 --> 02:19:59,980
Deep with no...

1710
02:20:00,720 --> 02:20:10,800
The dumb closed. There was a soil layer put on top from 4 to 25 feet. And right now, the primary concerns

1711
02:20:10,800 --> 02:20:18,060
are around methane. It's not a poisonous gas, but it's combustible. And there are VOCs that are coming

1712
02:20:18,060 --> 02:20:25,540
off of the waste. It's matured. And it's saying, here, this is from Jim Merritt, over in Varmel

1713
02:20:25,540 --> 02:20:31,960
team. It's around 40 standard cubic feet per minute. And they have a venting system which we'll

1714
02:20:31,960 --> 02:20:37,200
talk about in a minute. It was also interestingly a mushroom farm. It was the ocean view a mushroom farm.

1715
02:20:39,040 --> 02:20:40,680
You guys might remember that. Next slide.

1716
02:20:42,900 --> 02:20:47,240
So in 96 we had this land gifted to us. I think it was a

1717
02:20:47,240 --> 02:20:54,720
county measure that did that. And on the measure in 96 we had measure L approved it barely passed by a few

1718
02:20:55,980 --> 02:21:01,700
And there was a motion for 1.5 million to construct the light at soccer fields.

1719
02:21:02,360 --> 02:21:07,280
In 2001, the city issued a $31 million bond for several projects,

1720
02:21:07,320 --> 02:21:11,520
18 million, 400 was earmarked for the sports complex construction.

1721
02:21:11,680 --> 02:21:14,860
After voters approved, 1.5 million to build it.

1722
02:21:14,900 --> 02:21:19,000
Additional spend after the contractor who did phase two,

1723
02:21:19,140 --> 02:21:21,960
which was the batting cages and the offices went bankrupt.

1724
02:21:23,860 --> 02:21:24,380
Next,

1725
02:21:28,350 --> 02:21:30,050
so they use bonds to pay for this.

1726
02:21:30,050 --> 02:21:32,630
The city is still paying off the last bond,

1727
02:21:33,370 --> 02:21:35,890
net present value calculations on the interest

1728
02:21:35,890 --> 02:21:39,750
and the principles around 36 million to date.

1729
02:21:40,270 --> 02:21:43,270
And we still have a few million to go, so it'll end around 40 million.

1730
02:21:43,930 --> 02:21:48,170
We have about 640,000 a year that we need to pay

1731
02:21:48,170 --> 02:21:52,730
up till 2030, and in 2030 we have a payment of 144,000.

1732
02:21:52,730 --> 02:21:56,190
that's attributable directly to the cost of sports complex.

1733
02:21:56,330 --> 02:21:57,290
The bonds are bigger.

1734
02:21:58,210 --> 02:22:00,530
The bonds have a lot of things rolled into them,

1735
02:22:00,850 --> 02:22:02,790
but the part that can be directly attributed

1736
02:22:02,790 --> 02:22:06,650
to the sports complex is about 640,000 a year,

1737
02:22:06,970 --> 02:22:09,110
roughly for the next three years

1738
02:22:09,110 --> 02:22:10,970
and then 144 and we're finally done.

1739
02:22:11,650 --> 02:22:14,870
Since 2001, we finally finished in 2030.

1740
02:22:17,830 --> 02:22:21,550
So the cost that took to build us was 38 to 40 million,

1741
02:22:21,550 --> 02:22:23,690
but that does not include the annual maintenance

1742
02:22:23,690 --> 02:22:26,970
annual capital, like parking lot repairs,

1743
02:22:27,330 --> 02:22:28,370
methane collections, et cetera.

1744
02:22:28,770 --> 02:22:29,230
Next one.

1745
02:22:30,150 --> 02:22:31,670
So we do have ongoing capital.

1746
02:22:32,350 --> 02:22:35,890
We have lights, electrical parking lot,

1747
02:22:36,210 --> 02:22:38,550
three or four million a year in the next few years,

1748
02:22:38,950 --> 02:22:40,390
over the next three or four years.

1749
02:22:42,350 --> 02:22:45,270
So there's extensive gas extraction and monitoring

1750
02:22:45,270 --> 02:22:47,630
going on throughout the complex.

1751
02:22:48,270 --> 02:22:50,850
There's PVC piping that has wells that

1752
02:22:50,850 --> 02:22:57,770
dug to extract out the methane gas and the VOC's. They're vented. The next slide. The basic

1753
02:22:57,770 --> 02:23:01,610
description is here. I'm not going to go through the details. We'll keep moving, but you

1754
02:23:01,610 --> 02:23:05,810
can read this later. And this is actually a layout of all the piping. You can see it's only

1755
02:23:05,810 --> 02:23:10,050
about half the complex. But you can see there's a lot under the parking lot. There's a lot

1756
02:23:10,050 --> 02:23:18,250
under the fields. Next. So there's the layout again if you go next. So it's an aging system

1757
02:23:18,250 --> 02:23:23,410
that we're going to have to replace, it's not sure exactly when, but Jim Meritz, aware of

1758
02:23:23,410 --> 02:23:24,090
this.

1759
02:23:24,210 --> 02:23:25,650
It's 20 years old.

1760
02:23:26,150 --> 02:23:28,210
It's coming time for us to go do it again.

1761
02:23:28,210 --> 02:23:30,170
It's going to be 350 to 800,000.

1762
02:23:30,270 --> 02:23:31,130
Butch was there at the meeting.

1763
02:23:31,370 --> 02:23:32,110
It was very helpful.

1764
02:23:32,410 --> 02:23:33,410
I really appreciate your input.

1765
02:23:33,690 --> 02:23:35,510
Now, because he knows we're talking about it.

1766
02:23:35,510 --> 02:23:36,270
It was very helpful.

1767
02:23:38,870 --> 02:23:39,110
Next.

1768
02:23:40,670 --> 02:23:42,230
So, financial highlights.

1769
02:23:42,530 --> 02:23:45,330
We currently lose around a million a year, running this operation.

1770
02:23:45,330 --> 02:23:53,730
The annual rent brings around 950 a year, 725 is in parking roughly, and that really went

1771
02:23:53,730 --> 02:23:56,150
up quite a bit when we raised from $1,000 to 10.

1772
02:23:56,570 --> 02:24:02,830
The city gets about 200,000 in rent revenue share, the annual costs are around 2 million

1773
02:24:02,830 --> 02:24:08,590
a year, roughly I'll show you in a minute, 650 on the bond, 625 operating, and about 5 to

1774
02:24:08,590 --> 02:24:14,570
750 average on capital, and 40% of the parking revenue is allocated for capital improvements

1775
02:24:14,570 --> 02:24:16,990
at the Sports Complex by design.

1776
02:24:17,750 --> 02:24:22,570
This slide has a lot of very small numbers on it, but if you want to look later, it explains

1777
02:24:22,570 --> 02:24:28,170
how much we pay in bond payments, how much we bring in in revenue, and the next slide is really

1778
02:24:28,170 --> 02:24:29,650
the punch line.

1779
02:24:32,070 --> 02:24:35,110
About 80% of the money that we bring in is from parking.

1780
02:24:35,870 --> 02:24:38,670
20% from the revenue share of the actual operations.

1781
02:24:39,410 --> 02:24:40,770
So look at the usage trends.

1782
02:24:40,790 --> 02:24:42,850
This is surprising what happened.

1783
02:24:42,850 --> 02:24:53,490
We looked at a software package, just called PlacerAI, that they talked about before, and I got the data from the city and the actual usage is declining quite a bit.

1784
02:24:53,690 --> 02:24:57,890
From 2223 the total visits were 830 and it's down to 676.

1785
02:24:58,810 --> 02:24:59,990
If you look at the...

1786
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:08,840
Total unique visitors that's 438 down to 33, non-resident, and then percent of resident results are dropping. Next.

1787
02:25:10,220 --> 02:25:15,000
So, total visits is down 18.6 during the period of HBSC partners managing it.

1788
02:25:15,680 --> 02:25:25,420
Unique visitors is down 12.4% resident visitors is down about 18% non-resident is only down about 2 because they do a lot of travel ball.

1789
02:25:25,420 --> 02:25:32,220
So, the resident share of total visitors is gone from about 36% when they took it over to 32% now.

1790
02:25:32,880 --> 02:25:37,240
Next. So, how does place where AI? This was a question I just want to get this covered.

1791
02:25:37,820 --> 02:25:41,940
They use the phones and anonymous locations at night to figure out where people sleep,

1792
02:25:42,240 --> 02:25:45,860
and then it based on that sleep pattern they decide where someone lives,

1793
02:25:46,220 --> 02:25:50,400
and that's where the zip codes come from that determine where people live.

1794
02:25:51,340 --> 02:26:03,100
And the other question was around teens, and I would have to peer research study, and it's saying that around 95% of teens age 13 to 17 have cell phones, which aligns with my common sense.

1795
02:26:04,920 --> 02:26:06,860
So let's go to the next real quick.

1796
02:26:08,340 --> 02:26:10,560
So update from the HBSC proposal.

1797
02:26:11,480 --> 02:26:17,720
We got a verbal description. It didn't match the PowerPoint exactly. We have some more details to share with you guys.

1798
02:26:17,720 --> 02:26:22,400
It is a 20-year agreement they're looking for, they're looking for the SOAR Academy, which

1799
02:26:22,400 --> 02:26:26,060
would be an enclosed cross-training, 23 acres of sports turt.

1800
02:26:26,780 --> 02:26:27,500
This was new.

1801
02:26:27,660 --> 02:26:30,640
They're talking about, let's see if I can make this work here.

1802
02:26:32,380 --> 02:26:37,620
This is not very bright, but this item here, they want to completely implode and close the

1803
02:26:37,620 --> 02:26:42,320
sports complex to create gates where admission is required for entry.

1804
02:26:43,180 --> 02:26:46,280
They also want to double the parking rates and keep the parking revenue.

1805
02:26:46,280 --> 02:26:52,600
No outside food would be a lot in the sports complex and complete control of all aspects including maintenance

1806
02:26:53,200 --> 02:26:56,360
expense that would be covered by HBSC is unclear

1807
02:26:56,360 --> 02:27:05,380
We've heard different versions of the proposal the challenge as we've had as a finance commission is we don't have any written proposal other than the power point

1808
02:27:06,360 --> 02:27:09,620
Ashley was trying to help me get access to the financial projections

1809
02:27:09,620 --> 02:27:13,780
She's been trying to get me an appointment. They won't release them to us

1810
02:27:13,780 --> 02:27:18,720
because they say they're proprietary so we wanted to go and take a look at what the projections

1811
02:27:18,720 --> 02:27:23,320
are saying they told us 2 million a month and we wanted to see how they would get to that

1812
02:27:23,320 --> 02:27:29,220
level in revenue but we have not been able to see their projections even though we've been asking

1813
02:27:29,220 --> 02:27:35,520
for about four weeks. There's significant legal and environmental challenges around SQA. We're not sure

1814
02:27:35,520 --> 02:27:41,960
what's required if there's EIR, etc. We haven't really had any formal resident input. We've just had

1815
02:27:41,960 --> 02:27:44,620
anecdotal people said, yeah, we'd like this.

1816
02:27:45,060 --> 02:27:47,660
And then there's ongoing issues with the current partner

1817
02:27:47,660 --> 02:27:50,080
agreements, especially concessions and batting

1818
02:27:50,080 --> 02:27:51,220
cages, as you guys know.

1819
02:27:52,900 --> 02:27:56,860
So you saw the recommendations, and I'd be happy to answer

1820
02:27:56,860 --> 02:27:59,320
any questions, but these are what drove our recommendations.

1821
02:28:00,300 --> 02:28:02,120
We were looking for operational performance.

1822
02:28:02,240 --> 02:28:04,700
It's heavily used, but under-optimized, for revenue

1823
02:28:04,700 --> 02:28:06,900
generation, for both the city and the operators.

1824
02:28:07,760 --> 02:28:10,500
Facility upgrades, we're looking at modernized fields,

1825
02:28:10,500 --> 02:28:13,420
and alternatives may expand revenue opportunities.

1826
02:28:14,100 --> 02:28:16,600
It potentially reduced long-term maintenance costs.

1827
02:28:17,280 --> 02:28:19,620
Resonant benefit, we were looking at better ways

1828
02:28:19,620 --> 02:28:21,860
that residents could benefit from this

1829
02:28:21,860 --> 02:28:23,840
and revenue generation for the city.

1830
02:28:24,440 --> 02:28:27,100
80% of the revenue that flows the city is coming

1831
02:28:27,100 --> 02:28:30,280
from parking and it's costing the city around a million a year.

1832
02:28:30,820 --> 02:28:33,820
So that drove our recommendations, which you saw.

1833
02:28:34,740 --> 02:28:36,740
I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have

1834
02:28:36,740 --> 02:28:38,220
on any of them.

1835
02:28:38,220 --> 02:28:40,880
Are there any questions on any that we made?

1836
02:28:45,880 --> 02:28:48,680
First off, that report's excellent.

1837
02:28:49,040 --> 02:28:50,640
I really, really like it.

1838
02:28:50,680 --> 02:28:52,600
It gave me pause.

1839
02:28:52,760 --> 02:28:56,080
And I'm thinking a lot deeper about this, you know,

1840
02:28:56,240 --> 02:28:57,540
as a result of your report.

1841
02:28:58,740 --> 02:29:00,660
And I just want to say it was the Finance Commission.

1842
02:29:00,720 --> 02:29:02,860
Paul Geary, your guy.

1843
02:29:03,180 --> 02:29:03,740
He's one of my friends.

1844
02:29:04,460 --> 02:29:06,040
He knows each other for many years.

1845
02:29:06,360 --> 02:29:08,860
And he and I are able to bounce ideas.

1846
02:29:09,520 --> 02:29:10,580
A very wholesome discussion.

1847
02:29:10,580 --> 02:29:15,340
And he wanted to suggest, before I forget, two things, two amendments.

1848
02:29:15,980 --> 02:29:20,000
One is, the audit, maybe we could do that, rather than spend money, Paul and I might be able

1849
02:29:20,000 --> 02:29:21,140
to take a look at it.

1850
02:29:21,480 --> 02:29:24,860
And the other was on the Sequa, just to say, maybe there's a different way to do it.

1851
02:29:24,880 --> 02:29:25,860
You guys make the decision.

1852
02:29:29,480 --> 02:29:34,440
I know that you use Placer AI to come up with your figures.

1853
02:29:35,400 --> 02:29:39,780
I know just a little bit, just enough about Placer AI to be dangerous.

1854
02:29:42,080 --> 02:29:50,260
It's not always accurate, you have to have a smartphone for it to work and there's anybody

1855
02:29:50,260 --> 02:29:55,880
that uses smartphones or uses their cell phones behind computer knows that we're signal

1856
02:29:55,880 --> 02:29:59,880
challenge around here, and the signal, you know, the signal can, you know, the signal can,

1857
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:12,700
We can skew the results. But more than that, your graph was on a downward trend. The HBSC partners,

1858
02:30:13,040 --> 02:30:19,840
their trend, it's on an upward trend. So, you know, I'm trying to make sense of that.

1859
02:30:19,880 --> 02:30:27,200
Glad you asked us, we can go back to that little tiny, if we go back to the dollar slide, if you guys get to scroll back to that.

1860
02:30:28,020 --> 02:30:32,840
So here's sort of back up to that placer AI data that kind of makes sense keep

1861
02:30:32,840 --> 02:30:36,540
on go back to this but they're that spreadsheet so if you look at the parking

1862
02:30:36,540 --> 02:30:41,020
revenue in 22 and 23 I know it's kind of hard to see but it's 130 then it

1863
02:30:41,020 --> 02:30:45,780
goes to 203 and if you can see that top line I know it's hard to see but maybe

1864
02:30:45,780 --> 02:30:49,720
you guys can see it on your monitor I'll try and highlight it if I can it's the

1865
02:30:49,720 --> 02:30:59,560
top line. So it says parking 130 in 2223 and 223 and 223. They jumps to 729 and 713.

1866
02:31:00,400 --> 02:31:06,920
That's when we raise the rates 10 times. So we raise it from $1 to $10 on the weekends, right?

1867
02:31:06,980 --> 02:31:16,720
$1 to 2. So we raised up the revenue that we would expect to see by 10x. But we only saw a revenue jump of

1868
02:31:16,720 --> 02:31:19,560
arguably 300% 3x to 4x.

1869
02:31:19,880 --> 02:31:22,860
So that parking revenue kind of makes sense

1870
02:31:22,860 --> 02:31:26,100
with the Placer AI data kind of lines up,

1871
02:31:26,480 --> 02:31:30,520
we should have seen 10x on parking or roughly.

1872
02:31:31,180 --> 02:31:32,900
So we should have been seeing, you know,

1873
02:31:33,000 --> 02:31:36,280
a million, a million, two, million, four,

1874
02:31:36,620 --> 02:31:37,640
but we're not seeing that.

1875
02:31:37,860 --> 02:31:39,080
We're seeing seven.

1876
02:31:39,840 --> 02:31:43,380
So kind of anecdotally, it lines up.

1877
02:31:43,480 --> 02:31:45,900
My gut says, it's probably pretty close.

1878
02:31:46,560 --> 02:31:56,560
And it makes sense too, because we're getting a lot of travel ball in on the weekends, and so those travel ball players are concentrated not dispersed.

1879
02:31:57,260 --> 02:32:01,580
So we're getting a concentration of people that stay there all day rather than a flow.

1880
02:32:02,180 --> 02:32:06,320
So that also kind of backs it up to me. That's my anecdotal thought.

1881
02:32:06,320 --> 02:32:08,780
Again, not a tack in any of that.

1882
02:32:08,820 --> 02:32:17,280
I just look for maybe some inconsistencies from what HBSC says, and of course they're going

1883
02:32:17,280 --> 02:32:22,840
to pay a rosy picture, and I'm happy to listen to them.

1884
02:32:23,340 --> 02:32:31,360
But I've also checked with our people in Parks and Libraries, and each year we do more.

1885
02:32:31,360 --> 02:32:38,060
there's more, more, there's a steady increase in recreational men's and women's softball

1886
02:32:38,060 --> 02:32:43,660
leagues there and every year it goes up and I mean the numbers huge. I mean I might be

1887
02:32:43,660 --> 02:32:49,560
wrong here but I think we would about seven, eight hundred teams last year, nine hundred. Is

1888
02:32:49,560 --> 02:32:55,080
that sound right, Ashley? I'd have to go back and double-check the numbers. I can do that. So I'm so glad

1889
02:32:55,080 --> 02:33:00,540
to brought that up. Okay. So I know you would. A couple of things about that. So HBSC partners

1890
02:33:00,540 --> 02:33:07,520
runs our adult leagues. They take all the money in, they keep 84 percent, and we get 16 percent.

1891
02:33:07,780 --> 02:33:13,700
They run them. 30 percent of the games are played at the sports complex, 70 percent are played

1892
02:33:13,700 --> 02:33:20,080
in our parks still. So there aren't. There are a lot of teams playing, but it's not like they're

1893
02:33:20,080 --> 02:33:25,640
all in the sports complex. They're still distributed. They're still playing the majority games

1894
02:33:25,640 --> 02:33:32,680
outside the sports complex actually that's all I got. Yeah, thank you. Any other questions? I'm happy to

1895
02:33:33,840 --> 02:33:41,560
hello there's you know thanks for the report good stuff thorough. The one slide that I think we're both in agreement is

1896
02:33:42,160 --> 02:33:51,160
the deficiencies in the usage I think will be overcome by the vision of the sports complex

1897
02:33:51,160 --> 02:33:58,960
operators and that's the premise behind them wanting to improve it, to bring it, you know,

1898
02:33:59,100 --> 02:34:05,920
better fields, better caliber travel teams, more utilization with a soccer, flag football,

1899
02:34:06,080 --> 02:34:11,260
none of that's going on right now to any level of measure.

1900
02:34:11,860 --> 02:34:17,320
So I think we're all in agreement there that we want to build, when I say we, the city wants

1901
02:34:17,320 --> 02:34:24,840
a world-class environment, and to date based on the plans I've seen, I think you have a team

1902
02:34:24,840 --> 02:34:28,580
that's willing to work with you guys and listen and work with us.

1903
02:34:29,460 --> 02:34:34,680
In their most recent plan, I know when they presented, I thought they, and they agree,

1904
02:34:34,860 --> 02:34:36,520
they did a fairly poor job.

1905
02:34:36,820 --> 02:34:37,740
We talked to him after the fact.

1906
02:34:38,100 --> 02:34:44,540
The original vision was they were going to put in about 12 to 13 to 14 million dollars in

1907
02:34:44,540 --> 02:34:48,880
the turf, build the rise of Academy, I don't know if they changed the name to Soar, but

1908
02:34:48,880 --> 02:34:50,520
it was rise, whatever.

1909
02:34:50,920 --> 02:34:51,620
They're going to build that.

1910
02:34:51,820 --> 02:34:58,580
It would also include the batting cages inside, they were going to, they were willing to,

1911
02:34:58,580 --> 02:34:59,900
Um...

1912
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:29,120
Make on the cost of the lighting. And a lot of things, maybe it's talk, but I think if we can get them to the table, you know, along with the finance commission, the city, and a team that can kind of move these conversations along. I think everybody has the same goal in mind, more revenue for the city, a better complex for the youth people using it, and some we can all be proud of, without the city having to put a bunch of money into it.

1913
02:35:30,200 --> 02:35:40,300
And I know when I spoke to Commissioner Cicero, you know, there is some benefit as well to whoever inevitably does, for example, put in the turf.

1914
02:35:40,760 --> 02:35:46,500
I think we have about $5 million in CapEx that would go by the wayside.

1915
02:35:47,340 --> 02:35:49,440
I don't have my notes here that I took.

1916
02:35:50,200 --> 02:35:52,220
There would be a net positive there.

1917
02:35:52,500 --> 02:35:54,060
We would have the water savings.

1918
02:35:55,300 --> 02:35:57,080
That's not even up for argument.

1919
02:35:57,080 --> 02:35:58,500
It's clearly a savings.

1920
02:35:58,680 --> 02:36:03,620
There's a lot of other things that would factor into the improvements and I'm not here

1921
02:36:03,620 --> 02:36:05,920
lobbying for them or for anybody for that matter.

1922
02:36:05,940 --> 02:36:12,200
I am lobbying for a solution and I think everybody wants to work on it.

1923
02:36:12,200 --> 02:36:17,320
I think we just need some good transparent conversations where three parties are there.

1924
02:36:17,580 --> 02:36:23,880
Finance, operators in the city and I think if we can sit down and have those conversations

1925
02:36:26,320 --> 02:36:32,540
I think we can get to a resolution where we can bring something back to the city, to the residents,

1926
02:36:33,760 --> 02:36:38,200
with input from all three parties, I think we can come up with a winning proposal.

1927
02:36:38,940 --> 02:36:41,520
Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up.

1928
02:36:41,700 --> 02:36:46,060
So we went to Chino Hills and visited them to see how Chino Hills did this agreement.

1929
02:36:46,500 --> 02:36:51,020
They have a 20-year agreement with field of dreams, our big league dreams, my apologies.

1930
02:36:51,820 --> 02:36:58,300
That company pays everything and guarantees 500,000 this year it's going to 600,000 next year.

1931
02:36:58,900 --> 02:37:06,240
They literally pay all expenses, all capital, all infrastructure, everything.

1932
02:37:06,900 --> 02:37:11,580
They pay one up, but they have the restaurants, they have gates, they don't charge for parking.

1933
02:37:12,280 --> 02:37:22,020
So they have a agreement where the city literally pays nothing and they get a minimum of 600,000 plus a 9% revenue on top.

1934
02:37:22,380 --> 02:37:24,320
And my attitude is we can do better.

1935
02:37:25,100 --> 02:37:26,480
Yeah, two things.

1936
02:37:26,780 --> 02:37:26,820
Yeah.

1937
02:37:27,520 --> 02:37:33,040
One, when I talked to the sports complex operators, they said we'd love that deal.

1938
02:37:33,280 --> 02:37:34,200
Give us that deal.

1939
02:37:34,580 --> 02:37:36,580
So keep that in mind, we can hold them to it.

1940
02:37:36,580 --> 02:37:41,400
Secondly, how much did the city put into the complex to improve?

1941
02:37:42,140 --> 02:37:42,340
Chino?

1942
02:37:42,880 --> 02:37:42,900
Yeah.

1943
02:37:43,160 --> 02:37:43,300
Done.

1944
02:37:44,000 --> 02:37:45,600
There is a difference there.

1945
02:37:46,000 --> 02:37:47,600
I mean, I can guarantee those guys.

1946
02:37:47,600 --> 02:37:48,380
I won't speak for them.

1947
02:37:48,500 --> 02:37:51,760
But if you said, well,

1948
02:37:53,850 --> 02:37:53,970
no.

1949
02:37:54,490 --> 02:37:57,070
The state didn't put anyone in the city didn't.

1950
02:37:57,810 --> 02:38:04,230
So if these guys put in 15 million of their own dollars, they would probably say,

1951
02:38:04,330 --> 02:38:05,770
let's trim it back a little bit.

1952
02:38:05,770 --> 02:38:11,610
When we talked about the Chino Hills because they held that out is you guys are saying this is the the gold standard

1953
02:38:11,610 --> 02:38:17,470
They said give us that deal give us 100% control. We'll do that deal. So I think we have a starting point

1954
02:38:17,470 --> 02:38:21,370
Yeah, I would just like to see competition. I think that I'm a free market

1955
02:38:22,510 --> 02:38:27,730
Advocate and free market always says that competition is going to make a better deal for us the

1956
02:38:27,730 --> 02:38:34,030
Residence in the end and my recommendations in my opinion with a rest of the finance commission or out of order

1957
02:38:34,030 --> 02:38:37,330
I actually think they're very first things to be input from the residents.

1958
02:38:38,090 --> 02:38:39,430
Go out and ask them what they want.

1959
02:38:39,910 --> 02:38:40,710
Because they want to do that.

1960
02:38:41,410 --> 02:38:45,550
Well, the problem with that is we're still looking for the answer to the Edison Park.

1961
02:38:45,570 --> 02:38:50,470
It's taken over five years to come out with a plan that everybody could agree on and vote on.

1962
02:38:51,050 --> 02:38:53,790
I mean, when you, we're not saying don't involve the public,

1963
02:38:53,950 --> 02:38:55,470
but there's only so much utilization.

1964
02:38:56,070 --> 02:38:59,270
I don't think anybody's going to propose changing the ball fields.

1965
02:39:00,290 --> 02:39:02,270
You know, that's the core thing.

1966
02:39:02,270 --> 02:39:12,650
So there's not a lot of input on, hey, do you want to change all the baseball fields and turn them into, you know, you know, so I think that's already kind of settled.

1967
02:39:13,190 --> 02:39:15,010
I don't know why would anybody want to go through that.

1968
02:39:15,010 --> 02:39:16,610
You get pushed back on the turf.

1969
02:39:17,010 --> 02:39:20,810
I think they're going to say, this is my guess.

1970
02:39:21,250 --> 02:39:23,710
You're going to get a lot of feedback where they don't want that.

1971
02:39:24,130 --> 02:39:27,230
And I talked to a company called turf fresh that manages turf.

1972
02:39:27,430 --> 02:39:28,430
That's what they do.

1973
02:39:28,430 --> 02:39:32,450
They go out and they like every year, they would do in San Juan Capustralos fields.

1974
02:39:33,110 --> 02:39:36,370
So I asked them, what would this take to take care of these fields every year?

1975
02:39:36,950 --> 02:39:39,910
And they said 150 to 200, roughly 23 acres.

1976
02:39:40,510 --> 02:39:42,850
And one of the things they have to do is take a magnet.

1977
02:39:43,670 --> 02:39:47,350
Every year and get all them met a lot of it because during the year,

1978
02:39:47,530 --> 02:39:49,970
kids play on it, and it's like carpet, right?

1979
02:39:50,310 --> 02:39:53,330
And so they have to do special things.

1980
02:39:53,330 --> 02:39:59,530
And I asked Ryan Gale, who's one of the writers, how do you guys plan on doing this?

1981
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:01,800
We'll just do with our staff.

1982
02:40:03,850 --> 02:40:07,630
So the thing that I'm worried about is that if some occurrence happened

1983
02:40:07,630 --> 02:40:12,890
out there, which has already happened, where we're involved in a lawsuit in the past, and a kid gets injured,

1984
02:40:13,050 --> 02:40:16,210
and that turf wasn't taken care of properly, we're liable.

1985
02:40:17,090 --> 02:40:22,470
Well, that can happen right now in the outfield, which they're not reliable, they're not liable for

1986
02:40:22,470 --> 02:40:26,590
and so we can happen. Yeah, so there you go. And they're not even liable for the outfield. So

1987
02:40:26,590 --> 02:40:28,330
returns as anchor once to see the site.

1988
02:40:28,610 --> 02:40:33,310
With that said, the beautiful thing about where we're at right now is we have a much more

1989
02:40:33,310 --> 02:40:35,330
business savvy council up here.

1990
02:40:35,690 --> 02:40:41,770
So all these things that are nuanced can all be defined in a lease by definition or operating

1991
02:40:41,770 --> 02:40:42,230
agreements.

1992
02:40:42,470 --> 02:40:43,630
Starts with a proposal.

1993
02:40:43,810 --> 02:40:44,930
Yeah, I get it.

1994
02:40:44,930 --> 02:40:47,750
But I don't think we need to worry about the minutiae right now, like are they going

1995
02:40:47,750 --> 02:40:48,970
to use a magnet?

1996
02:40:49,290 --> 02:40:49,750
I don't know.

1997
02:40:49,830 --> 02:40:53,710
I'm just, we'll dictate what we want as a city and we'll define it in the terms of

1998
02:40:53,710 --> 02:40:54,110
the agreement.

1999
02:40:54,250 --> 02:40:56,570
But all we have right now is a PowerPoint that's loose.

2000
02:40:56,570 --> 02:40:57,330
at best.

2001
02:40:57,670 --> 02:40:58,690
No financial projections.

2002
02:40:58,910 --> 02:41:00,110
Well, they have financial projections.

2003
02:41:00,210 --> 02:41:01,270
Maybe they didn't want to show them to you.

2004
02:41:01,350 --> 02:41:01,830
I've seen them.

2005
02:41:01,850 --> 02:41:02,650
They look pretty strong.

2006
02:41:03,550 --> 02:41:05,190
So, like I said, let's organize.

2007
02:41:05,870 --> 02:41:07,110
Well, I don't know what we're doing here today.

2008
02:41:07,110 --> 02:41:07,370
I understand.

2009
02:41:07,370 --> 02:41:07,890
I should report.

2010
02:41:08,190 --> 02:41:08,510
Thank you.

2011
02:41:08,550 --> 02:41:09,330
Thank you very much.

2012
02:41:09,410 --> 02:41:09,950
Any other questions?

2013
02:41:10,390 --> 02:41:10,450
Yeah.

2014
02:41:10,490 --> 02:41:11,730
Dave, I've got one.

2015
02:41:12,490 --> 02:41:13,730
I'm sorry.

2016
02:41:15,550 --> 02:41:18,850
Right now, you're showing about a 6.4 over 5, 6 years.

2017
02:41:18,890 --> 02:41:19,130
Yeah.

2018
02:41:19,890 --> 02:41:20,290
Loss.

2019
02:41:20,910 --> 02:41:22,810
And that's just from.

2020
02:41:23,530 --> 02:41:26,450
So if you look at each year, you can see how much.

2021
02:41:26,450 --> 02:41:31,350
We have the revenue less expenses, so the revenues right there at the red arrow top red arrow

2022
02:41:31,350 --> 02:41:36,940
So like 2223 we got it 257 in total revenue between the parking and

2023
02:41:37,710 --> 02:41:43,930
And the revenue share rent. That's what we got as checks. Yeah, every year it looks like it's gotten a little better

2024
02:41:43,930 --> 02:41:48,130
Yeah, I would right because they're managing it. They're starting to bring it up right

2025
02:41:48,130 --> 02:41:53,470
But then we got to pay these bonds off and those bonds are not cheap right look at those numbers

2026
02:41:54,510 --> 02:41:59,330
717, 694, 686, these are big numbers, we're paying every year, right?

2027
02:41:59,530 --> 02:42:04,250
And then you've got capital, and the LED has to be done, because you can't buy the lip bulbs.

2028
02:42:05,170 --> 02:42:06,010
That's how they do it.

2029
02:42:06,130 --> 02:42:10,810
The state, oh, can't get the lip bulbs, so they have to do this, and they're not cheap.

2030
02:42:10,830 --> 02:42:19,290
You can see the numbers, the turf that we had to do, the pumps, the driveway, it adds up.

2031
02:42:20,690 --> 02:42:20,950
All right.

2032
02:42:20,950 --> 02:42:26,910
Well I just I'll tell you I you guys are an amazing resource and I

2033
02:42:26,910 --> 02:42:34,410
You guys I value the hell out of you get the work you guys do I've seen other things and I greatly appreciate everything

2034
02:42:34,410 --> 02:42:35,990
You guys do you guys are volunteers

2035
02:42:37,190 --> 02:42:40,670
I think you had a parking pass every year and that's about yeah

2036
02:42:40,670 --> 02:42:47,250
But I think you guys are great and I appreciate the work you guys do well. We thank you guys for letting us do it

2037
02:42:53,030 --> 02:42:59,590
So, I'm trying to hone in on patterns with your numbers, so when you said 300% directly when they

2038
02:42:59,590 --> 02:43:05,250
10x on the cost of the parking, but it was only 300% theoretically, it should have been a thousand percent.

2039
02:43:06,190 --> 02:43:13,210
I mean, is that causation or correlation in your opinion? Do you feel as if perhaps the increase in the price drop people away or was it kind of random?

2040
02:43:14,550 --> 02:43:20,750
So, again, this is pure speculation on my part, if I had to guess, I think it's a combination

2041
02:43:20,750 --> 02:43:27,330
of people parking in other places and coming in, taking bigger vehicles in to save, you know,

2042
02:43:27,330 --> 02:43:29,670
that I want to bring into the digital art, I'll bring it there.

2043
02:43:30,430 --> 02:43:34,650
And then it might just be a decrease usage, because that place where I kind of showed that

2044
02:43:34,650 --> 02:43:40,230
it was coming down a little bit, but it's not like crazy, you know, down, but it's their

2045
02:43:40,230 --> 02:43:44,450
concentrating, right? These are travel ball teams that are, you know, they're they're all

2046
02:43:44,450 --> 02:43:48,750
day. Instead of you might get more people if you have more flow. Like I said, what's

2047
02:43:48,750 --> 02:43:51,590
out of you, you're in a camp that you're table all day. In a restaurant, you're not

2048
02:43:51,590 --> 02:43:55,910
going to get as much flow through. It's the same idea. There have this set group of people

2049
02:43:55,910 --> 02:44:00,330
that come in the morning and leave it eight o'clock in night. They're not flowing through.

2050
02:44:00,410 --> 02:44:04,630
You're not getting the flow through. You get an abnormal open field situation. That's what

2051
02:44:04,630 --> 02:44:08,430
I think's doing it. Lower turnaround. And then you mentioned when you and Councilman

2052
02:44:08,430 --> 02:44:11,890
Kennedy were chatting about the field of the dreams, big league dreams.

2053
02:44:13,050 --> 02:44:18,370
Was that, you said that the vendor did put up the cost of the city put up the cost and

2054
02:44:18,370 --> 02:44:19,170
the project over there.

2055
02:44:19,330 --> 02:44:23,930
So the city built a sports complex, similar to what we do, I think there was 16 million.

2056
02:44:24,470 --> 02:44:24,490
Okay.

2057
02:44:24,490 --> 02:44:24,670
Okay.

2058
02:44:24,770 --> 02:44:25,710
They had it.

2059
02:44:25,790 --> 02:44:27,330
And it was not doing well.

2060
02:44:27,790 --> 02:44:29,710
And then they were very unhappy with it.

2061
02:44:29,810 --> 02:44:34,090
They went out and got this vendor who said, it needs to have some upgrades.

2062
02:44:34,650 --> 02:44:36,490
I think they put a couple million into it.

2063
02:44:36,490 --> 02:44:45,370
They did the upgrades and they said we're going to cover all costs and we will guarantee a minimum rent and then a 9% kicker on top

2064
02:44:45,370 --> 02:44:49,790
They pay everything electricity water capital infrastructure

2065
02:44:50,710 --> 02:44:57,690
Okay, so the vendor the vendor invested that the vendor covered that cost everything okay got it and if you want to talk to them

2066
02:44:57,690 --> 02:44:59,870
I could invite them and they can tell you what they did

2067
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:06,700
And then another question, you know, it's interesting we talked about talking to the public and you know, to the point that there's going to be a million different opinions.

2068
02:45:06,900 --> 02:45:11,680
I think the one opinion that we have taken away is the batting cages, which kind of triggered this to begin with, right?

2069
02:45:11,700 --> 02:45:22,920
The batting cages were the universally accepted activity over there. So did you notice in any of the numbers that when the batting cages stopped that there was a significant decrease or no?

2070
02:45:22,920 --> 02:45:27,200
So, yeah, I mean, the banding cages were bringing about, for us, it doesn't make that big a difference

2071
02:45:27,200 --> 02:45:36,940
because we only get 16 percent, 14 percent, and actually, let me before I forget, it's going to go to 18 percent next September, the revenue share on the next tier.

2072
02:45:37,620 --> 02:45:44,040
So, when they keep saying 15, it's going to 18, but on the banding cages, we just get 16 percent, so about 100,000, it's only 16,000.

2073
02:45:44,080 --> 02:45:46,200
They were doing about 120 a year.

2074
02:45:46,720 --> 02:45:52,440
Now, here's an interesting thing I want to share at Chino Hills, they have banding cages, but they closed them.

2075
02:45:52,440 --> 02:45:56,540
because they charge admission. Nobody would use them.

2076
02:45:56,940 --> 02:46:02,440
Interesting. On the, you said it's going 15 to 18% next year, that's on the step up in the lease.

2077
02:46:02,660 --> 02:46:07,560
We're at 16 today. Yeah. It's going to go to 18 next September by the current contract.

2078
02:46:08,080 --> 02:46:12,560
And the recommendation that they gave us was drop at a 15. That's what they were offering the city.

2079
02:46:12,980 --> 02:46:15,880
Okay. And that, apart that current contract ends at 20.

2080
02:46:15,880 --> 02:46:20,220
So the way it works is there's three tiers. There's three three year terms.

2081
02:46:20,220 --> 02:46:27,200
We're in the fifth year of the middle, we're in the middle of it next year on 9, 7, 27.

2082
02:46:28,080 --> 02:46:32,640
We have the option to renew for three more years and it goes up to 18 percent, or we can

2083
02:46:33,300 --> 02:46:33,860
walk.

2084
02:46:34,340 --> 02:46:34,360
Okay.

2085
02:46:35,180 --> 02:46:36,060
Tell my questions.

2086
02:46:36,160 --> 02:46:36,600
Thank you.

2087
02:46:41,880 --> 02:46:49,940
Do you think because of the price of parking that a lot of people, you mentioned it and Councilman

2088
02:46:49,940 --> 02:46:56,160
group mentioned it to and then one of my student commissioners sitting up there in the audience

2089
02:46:56,160 --> 02:47:01,620
texted me so I can't take total credit for this question. Do you think that the price is driving

2090
02:47:02,700 --> 02:47:08,260
people that drive there on weekends with their kids for little league that they go park at the

2091
02:47:08,260 --> 02:47:14,900
library where it's free? 1,000 percent. Thank you. I see it. We have to figure that one out. Thank you.

2092
02:47:16,360 --> 02:47:17,360
Any other questions?

2093
02:47:19,680 --> 02:47:30,700
I'd like to just kind of maybe roll through with the council up here in terms of these recommendations that were presented to us on the official city PowerPoint slides.

2094
02:47:31,100 --> 02:47:34,100
And actually had an ask and that was you guys to adopt these.

2095
02:47:34,560 --> 02:47:35,380
It's kind of the ask.

2096
02:47:35,660 --> 02:47:40,760
And so just kind of going one by one out of the eight of them when it comes to the first one.

2097
02:47:40,760 --> 02:47:46,380
I guess city attorney, looking at the type of development that is being envisioned.

2098
02:47:46,440 --> 02:47:48,180
You put them on the screen.

2099
02:47:48,200 --> 02:47:49,880
Yeah, be good if we could pull those up.

2100
02:47:49,900 --> 02:47:53,200
You look at for the recommendations, so if you just scroll down, you'll get to them.

2101
02:47:53,740 --> 02:47:57,500
And before we go on, keep in mind again, we're in a study session.

2102
02:47:57,840 --> 02:47:59,380
So we're not voting on anything tonight.

2103
02:47:59,660 --> 02:48:02,180
To adopt recommendations or anything else.

2104
02:48:03,420 --> 02:48:04,360
Oh, we're on his H item?

2105
02:48:04,700 --> 02:48:05,860
No, no, no, we're not.

2106
02:48:05,860 --> 02:48:07,500
We're just kind of married this either way.

2107
02:48:07,580 --> 02:48:09,240
Either way, we're not voting on tonight.

2108
02:48:09,240 --> 02:48:16,480
Yeah, so he may I think but I mean if you guys could look at these and if you say, yeah, let's do it then I

2109
02:48:16,480 --> 02:48:20,160
agendize it and let's yeah, we could do that a later date. I mean basically, you know, appreciate

2110
02:48:20,160 --> 02:48:21,940
There's poor stuff. Okay. Okay.

2111
02:48:21,940 --> 02:48:23,720
I don't need direction from us tonight.

2112
02:48:23,900 --> 02:48:28,300
Making give direct you can get direction, but map out just same as the study session item.

2113
02:48:30,180 --> 02:48:33,440
How do we give direction without a vote as a council as a body?

2114
02:48:34,400 --> 02:48:40,120
You just discuss amongst yourselves and staff will listen to you and come back with an item.

2115
02:48:41,500 --> 02:48:47,180
Okay, I guess I won't try to figure out if we have like five people that are three people that are in disagreement.

2116
02:48:47,420 --> 02:48:52,020
I don't, how do we give direction if we're not taking some tough stuff?

2117
02:48:52,040 --> 02:48:55,120
Yeah, staff will listen to the dialogue and come back.

2118
02:48:55,820 --> 02:49:00,600
All right, so my first question I guess to city attorney on point number one on the recommendations

2119
02:49:00,600 --> 02:49:07,480
when it comes to a development of the scope with the artificial turf and possibly building this indoor facility.

2120
02:49:08,420 --> 02:49:14,900
Do you think that would require some type of sequence analysis before we start that type of development?

2121
02:49:15,880 --> 02:49:17,880
I believe we would need sequence analysis.

2122
02:49:18,280 --> 02:49:22,120
If it's considered a project, which this would be, we would need to do sequel.

2123
02:49:22,820 --> 02:49:29,180
Okay, so I guess along the lines of what the Finance Commission has recommended, I would be an agreement with that recommendation.

2124
02:49:29,180 --> 02:49:34,200
I don't know if anyone would be opposed on on the dice, but that's a legal requirement

2125
02:49:34,200 --> 02:49:36,260
to start something that the council would direct.

2126
02:49:36,660 --> 02:49:37,180
Sure. Okay.

2127
02:49:37,280 --> 02:49:42,380
There is one, there is one thing that Jennifer and I talked about today a little bit

2128
02:49:42,380 --> 02:49:45,180
and about this is one thing to ask.

2129
02:49:46,220 --> 02:49:52,940
So we were saying that HPSC should pay those SQL costs.

2130
02:49:53,220 --> 02:49:56,460
And I wasn't sure if that's normal. So I asked her.

2131
02:49:56,600 --> 02:49:59,980
Jennifer, do you want to come in on how does it normally work?

2132
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:06,140
Clerk on projects. This is public property, right? So it's a little wonky. But when people have to do these

2133
02:50:06,140 --> 02:50:08,180
sequesteadies, how does that typically work?

2134
02:50:10,160 --> 02:50:15,300
Private development projects pay for their own sequed documents, usually through reimbursement

2135
02:50:15,300 --> 02:50:20,440
agreement to the city since the city's elite agency for sequa. On a public project, it's

2136
02:50:20,440 --> 02:50:21,460
a city council decision.

2137
02:50:23,200 --> 02:50:26,720
Yeah, so you guys would just decide, are they going to pick it up or is the city going to do that?

2138
02:50:26,720 --> 02:50:30,300
for the studies that are required for this.

2139
02:50:30,820 --> 02:50:36,200
On recommendation number two, issuing an RFI was anyone opposed to that request for information

2140
02:50:36,200 --> 02:50:39,940
and putting that out there's kind of getting a sense from, you know, maybe the public in terms

2141
02:50:39,940 --> 02:50:44,100
of what they would like to envision here, there's obviously a lot of ways that we could skin

2142
02:50:44,100 --> 02:50:44,780
the cat.

2143
02:50:45,580 --> 02:50:47,560
So just to clarify, RFI goes to vendors.

2144
02:50:48,880 --> 02:50:50,700
And RFI stands for request for information.

2145
02:50:51,500 --> 02:50:56,260
So we just throw a wide net out to people to say, hey, if you had the opportunity to work

2146
02:50:56,260 --> 02:51:01,000
this area in this sports compass? What would you do? And just see what they come back. But this

2147
02:51:01,000 --> 02:51:06,160
would be also, you know, get one from HBSC partners, obviously as well. It's not a commitment,

2148
02:51:06,480 --> 02:51:10,460
it's more of an information gathering tool. And then speaking to number three, how did you guys

2149
02:51:10,460 --> 02:51:16,300
come up with all upgrades, Ms. Follow, City for Cumer? Yeah, that's a good question. So if you scroll down,

2150
02:51:16,480 --> 02:51:24,220
just a little bit. Thanks for your patience on this. The idea was that the concern was the following.

2151
02:51:24,220 --> 02:51:30,140
If we're going to do millions of dollars worth of capital asset intensive upgrades out there,

2152
02:51:30,240 --> 02:51:38,920
which it sounds like we want to do, the worry was that that money would go through a non-transparent

2153
02:51:39,840 --> 02:51:47,220
pathway, let's just say, into a public asset. And the thought was it would be better if we were to

2154
02:51:47,220 --> 02:51:55,340
have whoever does this work, work through our typical procurement process, so there's competitive

2155
02:51:55,340 --> 02:51:58,280
bidding transparency, because it's ours, right?

2156
02:51:58,280 --> 02:52:02,740
We own this sports complex, so if we're going to build a new solar academy or whatever,

2157
02:52:03,560 --> 02:52:08,120
that should go through the normal processes we have for bidding and all the things that we

2158
02:52:08,120 --> 02:52:12,880
have to do as a city, because it's not like it's a piece of private land, it's like we

2159
02:52:12,880 --> 02:52:16,440
own this, it's ours, so if we just say, hey, go crazy.

2160
02:52:16,440 --> 02:52:19,320
How do we know that they're getting the best deals?

2161
02:52:20,640 --> 02:52:23,360
Now, if they were going to pay for everything, that would be a mood point.

2162
02:52:25,320 --> 02:52:31,460
So, it is an interesting idea they have of transfer in the money that is coming in and

2163
02:52:31,460 --> 02:52:33,520
putting that into this.

2164
02:52:34,220 --> 02:52:35,420
So, I understand your point.

2165
02:52:35,500 --> 02:52:36,800
It's a point we'll take in.

2166
02:52:36,980 --> 02:52:38,660
I think it's a point to think about.

2167
02:52:39,260 --> 02:52:42,480
Like, would we be okay as a city to say, go for it.

2168
02:52:42,480 --> 02:52:48,500
whatever you do, or would you rather see the city have oversight into how they're procuring

2169
02:52:48,500 --> 02:52:53,860
possibly 15-20 million dollars with improvements? It's a point for discussion. Your points

2170
02:52:53,860 --> 02:52:55,100
will take it.

2171
02:52:56,710 --> 02:53:00,670
And it can be interesting. If I could jump in, I think at this point it's something it's a deal

2172
02:53:00,670 --> 02:53:05,190
point that we could look at, but it may also be a legal requirement depending on how the deal

2173
02:53:05,190 --> 02:53:09,210
structured that they have to go through, especially if it's determined to be a public

2174
02:53:09,210 --> 02:53:11,990
course, a typical charter public works contract.

2175
02:53:11,990 --> 02:53:30,010
So I think there's so many nuances I think rather than do this, we should have breakout groups with city manager, legal, community development, community libraries, whatever, in groups of three kind of like what we do for council briefings.

2176
02:53:30,550 --> 02:53:41,610
So that all the questions can be addressed, notated, no brown act violation, but rather than, you know, we're not going to be able to sort anything out right now because there's nuances to everything.

2177
02:53:41,610 --> 02:53:45,570
and we need a laborative answer, so it's kind of a feudal exercise.

2178
02:53:46,410 --> 02:53:52,810
I think we should meet in groups, get detailed answers, meet then with the Finance

2179
02:53:52,810 --> 02:53:55,910
Commissioners, share that, bring in this force complex.

2180
02:53:56,570 --> 02:53:58,770
You know, all this stuff can be happening simultaneously.

2181
02:53:59,150 --> 02:54:03,290
We could be reaching out to the sports complex, say we need a more finite proposal.

2182
02:54:03,710 --> 02:54:08,250
We need to see real projections, while you guys are meeting with different groups and

2183
02:54:08,250 --> 02:54:10,930
we're getting our questions answered on this very thorough report.

2184
02:54:10,930 --> 02:54:13,150
I'm addressing them bullet by bullet.

2185
02:54:14,270 --> 02:54:17,990
We have Jennifer here, so the sports complex guys

2186
02:54:17,990 --> 02:54:21,530
are putting finite information that can be digested

2187
02:54:22,090 --> 02:54:25,450
and discussed, shared with the Finance Commission.

2188
02:54:25,650 --> 02:54:28,230
So they're formulating additional follow-up

2189
02:54:28,230 --> 02:54:31,190
positioning and questions rather than trying

2190
02:54:31,190 --> 02:54:32,110
to figure it out right now,

2191
02:54:32,290 --> 02:54:33,450
because like you said, everything you said,

2192
02:54:33,470 --> 02:54:35,350
it's a little nuanced, that could be this.

2193
02:54:35,530 --> 02:54:37,570
It seems like we're way ahead of it right now.

2194
02:54:37,570 --> 02:54:38,510
That's complex.

2195
02:54:38,890 --> 02:54:40,630
But just to put a scope on it,

2196
02:54:40,630 --> 02:54:43,730
I mean, they told us 2 million a month, is their goal.

2197
02:54:44,350 --> 02:54:45,370
So if you do 2 million a month,

2198
02:54:45,470 --> 02:54:47,690
so I'm 12 months, that's 24 million a year in revenue,

2199
02:54:47,990 --> 02:54:51,690
times 20 years, we're talking real money, half a billion,

2200
02:54:52,470 --> 02:54:53,730
is what they're talking about.

2201
02:54:54,450 --> 02:54:57,850
So this is major, and we need to be careful,

2202
02:54:58,610 --> 02:54:59,970
is my guidance as a,

2203
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:04,400
Finance Commissioner. Be very careful because they're talking real money here.

2204
02:55:05,380 --> 02:55:10,540
Understood. But nothing has happened without binding documents. They're well-defined.

2205
02:55:10,760 --> 02:55:14,320
I'm just saying the scope, this is a big deal. I understand. Yeah. Yeah.

2206
02:55:14,320 --> 02:55:20,160
Yeah, so Mayor and City Council, so maybe on some of these items, we are looking into it

2207
02:55:20,160 --> 02:55:25,980
from the secret standpoint for what it would be required from the scope of work we're talking about.

2208
02:55:25,980 --> 02:55:34,100
And some of these others, so we could as staff, and not, we can continue to go through these and kind of discuss them.

2209
02:55:34,400 --> 02:55:51,320
But from this discussion, staff can prepare, update those, prepare that, bring it back to Council members, Council briefings, talk with the Finance Commission, their subcommittee, and then come back as we refine each of these.

2210
02:55:51,320 --> 02:55:55,220
Talk to sports complex works for sports complex

2211
02:55:55,740 --> 02:56:02,100
Okay, I think I can simplify it then maybe just any objections to these recommendations is there's anyone on a torpedo any of them

2212
02:56:02,100 --> 02:56:06,760
Or we okay with staff pursuing them and then we'll discuss and like you said in these sort of these breakouts

2213
02:56:07,400 --> 02:56:11,920
We okay with all the teams reasonable for definitely for discussion area cool

2214
02:56:11,920 --> 02:56:18,060
We have until next September. So we have some runway to work through this. It's not like we had to do it tomorrow

2215
02:56:18,060 --> 02:56:20,180
So we're good. All right

2216
02:56:20,180 --> 02:56:24,380
Well, thank you so much, Commissioner Schnault, for presenting that and a well-done hard work.

2217
02:56:24,740 --> 02:56:26,200
Okay, thank you.

2218
02:56:27,000 --> 02:56:30,220
All right, I'm going to do a consent calendar. Does anyone want to pull an item?

2219
02:56:33,640 --> 02:56:34,420
Motion to move.

2220
02:56:34,500 --> 02:56:34,960
Second.

2221
02:56:36,180 --> 02:56:37,740
Motion to second to move consent calendar.

2222
02:56:37,940 --> 02:56:39,100
Item's 19 through 25.

2223
02:56:41,710 --> 02:56:42,910
Item's 19 through 25.

2224
02:56:43,750 --> 02:56:44,790
Councilman Grohl.

2225
02:56:47,210 --> 02:56:47,870
Councilman Kennedy.

2226
02:56:48,330 --> 02:56:48,370
Yes.

2227
02:56:48,890 --> 02:56:49,810
Mayor Pro Temp 20.

2228
02:56:49,890 --> 02:56:50,250
Yes.

2229
02:56:50,390 --> 02:56:50,950
Mayor McKin.

2230
02:56:51,030 --> 02:56:51,370
Yes.

2231
02:56:51,630 --> 02:56:52,290
Councilman Burns.

2232
02:56:53,970 --> 02:56:54,450
Yes.

2233
02:56:56,590 --> 02:56:57,430
Concent items.

2234
02:56:58,670 --> 02:56:58,870
70.

2235
02:57:00,470 --> 02:57:00,590
All right.

2236
02:57:00,770 --> 02:57:01,670
Moving on item 26.

2237
02:57:02,090 --> 02:57:05,070
Introduction of the proposed Memorand of Understanding with the Hines of Beach Police Officers

2238
02:57:05,070 --> 02:57:05,970
Association.

2239
02:57:06,710 --> 02:57:08,090
Staff please introduce the report.

2240
02:57:08,750 --> 02:57:09,990
Thank you Mayor and City Council.

2241
02:57:10,990 --> 02:57:14,750
Our Assistant City Manager, Marissa Sir, will provide the staff report.

2242
02:57:23,700 --> 02:57:23,840
All right.

2243
02:57:24,000 --> 02:57:25,840
Good evening Mayor McKee and members of the City Council.

2244
02:57:26,060 --> 02:57:29,640
The administrative item before you this evening is the introduction of the proposed Memorand of

2245
02:57:29,640 --> 02:57:34,420
understanding between the City of Huntington Beach and the Huntington Beach Police Officers Association.

2246
02:57:36,240 --> 02:57:40,280
Pursuant to the Myers-Milise Brown Act, which governs employer employee relations for California

2247
02:57:40,280 --> 02:57:45,480
local governments. The City MPOA began negotiating the terms of successor MOU, and anticipation

2248
02:57:45,480 --> 02:57:53,680
of the expiration of the previous MOU, which expired June 30. The tenant of agreement was reached in July,

2249
02:57:54,180 --> 02:57:58,680
and is presented for council consideration for formal review and consideration at this time.

2250
02:58:00,020 --> 02:58:03,720
Note that for student to city ordinance 41-54, the item sign is an introduction.

2251
02:58:03,960 --> 02:58:10,340
The proposed MOU will tend to be placed on the September 1 City Council agenda for formal vote.

2252
02:58:12,260 --> 02:58:20,280
So getting into the key terms of the TA, they include a three-year agreement with base salary increases July 1 of each year of the agreement as follows.

2253
02:58:20,280 --> 02:58:30,700
2026, 8%, 2027, 4%, 2028, 5%, city medical contribution increases in January 1 of years 2 and 3 of

2254
02:58:30,700 --> 02:58:38,000
the MUU would be an increase of $75 per month for employee only. $150 per month for employee

2255
02:58:38,000 --> 02:58:43,460
plus 1 and $200 per month for family coverage. The total projected cost per cent to the terms

2256
02:58:43,460 --> 02:58:45,660
of the TA is roughly $9.8 million.

2257
02:58:49,440 --> 02:58:52,100
Since this is the introduction of the TA and proposed

2258
02:58:52,100 --> 02:58:55,780
I'm a U, the recommended action for this evening is simply to receive and consider the proposed

2259
02:58:55,780 --> 02:58:56,220
MOU.

2260
02:58:57,400 --> 02:58:59,040
And with that we're available for any questions.

2261
02:58:59,940 --> 02:59:00,460
Thank you, Marissa.

2262
02:59:00,560 --> 02:59:01,080
Any questions?

2263
02:59:03,980 --> 02:59:04,100
Yeah?

2264
02:59:10,160 --> 02:59:10,440
Okay.

2265
02:59:10,660 --> 02:59:11,400
Thank you.

2266
02:59:12,140 --> 02:59:17,660
So, as in life, you know, there's a couple of things that are true, many things are true, but

2267
02:59:17,660 --> 02:59:20,420
two things can be true at the same time.

2268
02:59:21,840 --> 02:59:24,780
Number one, I fully support our public safety.

2269
02:59:24,780 --> 02:59:36,400
I believe we have incredible law enforcement, incredible fire, rain safety, but I also believe that my job, my fiduciary responsibilities, to our taxpayers.

2270
02:59:37,800 --> 02:59:40,640
So I want to just go through these 10 slides.

2271
02:59:40,800 --> 02:59:41,320
I'll do it quickly.

2272
02:59:41,520 --> 02:59:43,720
I'll just touch on some different things.

2273
02:59:43,860 --> 02:59:44,820
I just get a little summary.

2274
02:59:46,560 --> 02:59:49,340
One thing I want to address, one of the, you know, they make recommendations.

2275
02:59:49,660 --> 02:59:52,120
This came to me from a finance commissioner, this deck.

2276
02:59:52,120 --> 02:59:56,200
Not just to me, it came to a couple of other council members, it came to our city manager,

2277
02:59:56,660 --> 02:59:59,980
it came to our treasurer, and because I get-

2278
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:05,660
Maybe you can only send to the three people. I don't know, but we're going to go through right now, quick point of order.

2279
03:00:05,780 --> 03:00:12,220
Just a point of order, question. Just for clarification. So this is not staff produced.

2280
03:00:12,760 --> 03:00:13,600
Directed data.

2281
03:00:14,160 --> 03:00:17,340
This is okay. Someone in their individual capacity that passed.

2282
03:00:17,600 --> 03:00:23,520
Right. But I did verify that numbers are factual. They were vetted by our treasurer's department.

2283
03:00:25,360 --> 03:00:26,580
So that's a given.

2284
03:00:26,580 --> 03:00:31,740
But that said, they make recommendations and I wanted to make this one statement.

2285
03:00:32,340 --> 03:00:37,500
One of the recommendations was to close three fire departments, just from a personal standpoint,

2286
03:00:37,780 --> 03:00:39,200
because I'm the one that introduced this deck.

2287
03:00:39,360 --> 03:00:45,160
I just want to go on the record and say, I would never support closing the fire stations.

2288
03:00:46,320 --> 03:00:51,120
So I just wanted to make sure because I think there's a little bit of a shock wave from those

2289
03:00:51,120 --> 03:00:51,960
who read that.

2290
03:00:52,420 --> 03:00:53,700
So that's the one that brought it forward.

2291
03:00:53,700 --> 03:00:58,680
I want to let you know that me, I won't speak for anybody here, would never support that.

2292
03:00:59,860 --> 03:01:01,460
So let's just go through these slides real quick.

2293
03:01:01,800 --> 03:01:03,620
I want to say something real quick.

2294
03:01:03,780 --> 03:01:04,760
He's in the end.

2295
03:01:05,020 --> 03:01:07,680
I believe our finance commission is incredible.

2296
03:01:08,360 --> 03:01:10,440
Every time they produce reports, it's thorough.

2297
03:01:11,800 --> 03:01:16,300
And when commissioner, the chairman, Mr. Lagroso,

2298
03:01:16,480 --> 03:01:22,140
made the recommendation that he believes that finance has the opportunity to take a look at this,

2299
03:01:22,140 --> 03:01:28,400
I 100% unequivocally agree with the chairman, Mr. Lagroso.

2300
03:01:29,020 --> 03:01:31,680
So that's kind of the reason I wanted to share this information.

2301
03:01:32,260 --> 03:01:33,520
So we'll go through these slides quickly.

2302
03:01:33,660 --> 03:01:34,280
No big operation.

2303
03:01:34,640 --> 03:01:36,280
Can you just get the first slide right there?

2304
03:01:36,580 --> 03:01:38,920
This is just basically shows a pie chart.

2305
03:01:39,820 --> 03:01:41,340
Anybody can dig into these later.

2306
03:01:41,380 --> 03:01:42,640
I think it was attached to the agenda.

2307
03:01:42,740 --> 03:01:46,340
This is a pie chart showing where the money's suspended.

2308
03:01:46,960 --> 03:01:49,940
So if you go to the next slide,

2309
03:01:50,040 --> 03:01:50,720
let me see what you got.

2310
03:01:50,720 --> 03:01:56,640
This one, you know, this is from Transparent California, this is just showing somebody

2311
03:01:56,640 --> 03:02:02,540
once said, hey we want to show respect to our law enforcement and I said respect doesn't

2312
03:02:02,540 --> 03:02:08,080
have to be paid for. I have the utmost respect for law enforcement, fire, marine safety,

2313
03:02:08,660 --> 03:02:14,000
but that doesn't mean if I'm not in a position to one allocating a big chunk of public dollars

2314
03:02:14,000 --> 03:02:17,440
that I don't respect our public safety.

2315
03:02:18,360 --> 03:02:20,960
So this is just the top 50 people.

2316
03:02:21,380 --> 03:02:25,020
This represents $20 million a year in the top 50 people.

2317
03:02:25,500 --> 03:02:28,480
So if respect was determined by wages,

2318
03:02:28,560 --> 03:02:31,840
I would say we respect our public safety

2319
03:02:31,840 --> 03:02:36,340
because 50 people equate to $20 million annually in payroll.

2320
03:02:36,960 --> 03:02:37,880
Next slide.

2321
03:02:38,780 --> 03:02:45,560
This just shows the top 50, just a reiteration, base wage over time.

2322
03:02:46,160 --> 03:02:49,860
So I believe, personally, we have a problem with the over time.

2323
03:02:50,180 --> 03:02:55,360
I would love to see our public safety figure out a way to...

2324
03:02:55,360 --> 03:03:03,720
I understand some of it has to be accrued, but we have an enormous amount of OT.

2325
03:03:04,760 --> 03:03:06,120
I also want to touch on one thing.

2326
03:03:06,120 --> 03:03:17,900
So the one gentleman from the Police Department, since something was so valuable, he said one law enforcement officer equates to a lot of good public safety metrics.

2327
03:03:18,580 --> 03:03:33,260
Now, we have 196 swans right now based on report that came from the POA, but we've funded 214 or 211.

2328
03:03:33,260 --> 03:03:38,780
Now, the public said, hey, we were cutting our police.

2329
03:03:39,140 --> 03:03:42,920
Now, what we did was we took some unfunded wrecks

2330
03:03:42,920 --> 03:03:45,640
and took them off the budget, because they were a placeholder.

2331
03:03:45,760 --> 03:03:48,020
They were costing our budget an allocation.

2332
03:03:48,580 --> 03:03:54,680
But we have 211 fully funded positions,

2333
03:03:54,920 --> 03:03:57,140
of which we have either 1.96 or 1.98.

2334
03:03:57,260 --> 03:04:02,300
We have anywhere from 14, 12 to 14 fully funded positions

2335
03:04:02,300 --> 03:04:06,540
that they haven't filled, so they're gonna say it's hard to fill.

2336
03:04:07,640 --> 03:04:09,700
I don't think money's the issue and why we're not filling.

2337
03:04:10,440 --> 03:04:13,640
We're clearly paying our law enforcement very well.

2338
03:04:13,840 --> 03:04:15,580
So if you can go to slide four,

2339
03:04:15,740 --> 03:04:18,240
a lot of these are just kind of getting a point of order real quick.

2340
03:04:18,760 --> 03:04:19,220
Is that all right, Mayor?

2341
03:04:21,220 --> 03:04:21,460
Yeah.

2342
03:04:22,100 --> 03:04:24,480
So you said that you had verified these numbers.

2343
03:04:24,520 --> 03:04:27,600
Did you bother to sit down with a fire chief or police chief

2344
03:04:28,140 --> 03:04:31,260
to verify these numbers or get in any context on them?

2345
03:04:31,260 --> 03:04:39,920
I sat down with Chief Park with the treasurer did he go over these slides did you are there any inaccuracies that you see in these slides sir

2346
03:04:42,990 --> 03:04:50,890
I haven't had the chance to look at these in depth, so I can't talk about significant inaccuracies, but I haven't had the opportunity to go through

2347
03:04:50,890 --> 03:04:58,490
67% of our general funds spent on public safety that's that's fabulous from the budget book is that correct Mr. Treasurer

2348
03:05:01,390 --> 03:05:03,490
That would seem correct for me.

2349
03:05:04,050 --> 03:05:10,270
Okay. Transparent California, 50 of the top runners from Transparent California, equate to $20 million.

2350
03:05:10,910 --> 03:05:15,830
That doesn't need to be fact checked. You can do the math. Right here, the overtime, the wages.

2351
03:05:16,250 --> 03:05:23,310
Basically, the top 50 people in the average, it says here in slide 2, 401,000 total average compensation.

2352
03:05:23,450 --> 03:05:25,550
That's mathematical. That didn't need to be verified.

2353
03:05:25,550 --> 03:05:32,430
And so on the next slide, slide three up here, our projected deficit, we've heard about it.

2354
03:05:32,590 --> 03:05:33,450
It's 15 million.

2355
03:05:33,570 --> 03:05:34,690
I think that's been verified.

2356
03:05:35,710 --> 03:05:41,150
They're talking about the overtime spending, fire, police, and other roughly 18 million.

2357
03:05:41,270 --> 03:05:44,530
I think we've all talked about that and we've seen those numbers have been justified.

2358
03:05:45,270 --> 03:05:48,950
Their ascertaination was if you could cut that in half, you could cut the budget deficit

2359
03:05:48,950 --> 03:05:50,370
in half.

2360
03:05:50,970 --> 03:05:53,490
Some, you know, some OT can be avoided, some is necessary.

2361
03:05:53,750 --> 03:05:54,690
I get it.

2362
03:05:54,690 --> 03:06:10,830
So far, let's go to slide four, and this again just shows that the majority of our OT is actually coming from our top earners, the people that are really in command and not on the streets, I believe that's their job.

2363
03:06:10,830 --> 03:06:14,730
but so there's a huge surge in OT.

2364
03:06:15,190 --> 03:06:16,870
So that's slide four.

2365
03:06:18,210 --> 03:06:20,730
Slide five is basically just showing that,

2366
03:06:20,730 --> 03:06:25,070
you know, we basically, in 2023,

2367
03:06:26,910 --> 03:06:30,710
the previous council awarded a contract

2368
03:06:30,710 --> 03:06:33,110
that was known as a legacy contract.

2369
03:06:34,170 --> 03:06:36,610
One then was gonna bring everybody up to par.

2370
03:06:36,610 --> 03:06:50,490
Now, and put them in a position to get laterals, attract new talent, and we received a document from the POA that said it really wasn't quite working that well.

2371
03:06:51,070 --> 03:07:04,830
My belief is, when you raise your wage, so does everybody else, even cities that are facing real financial problems aren't afraid to continue to spend until they're going to be looking at potential bankruptcies.

2372
03:07:04,830 --> 03:07:11,170
So we gave a legacy not we the previous council legacy contract now that legacy contract is the expectation

2373
03:07:11,170 --> 03:07:17,550
It's now the norm so you know so much for what I would call the legacy contract so on slide six

2374
03:07:19,530 --> 03:07:22,910
This basically was just showing I tried to do a little bit of cursory

2375
03:07:24,170 --> 03:07:28,390
Investigation it says standard standard municipal model Huntington Beach model

2376
03:07:28,390 --> 03:07:34,250
Some AI said we're a little over the top, but I didn't get enough information to really go

2377
03:07:34,250 --> 03:07:35,630
elaborative on this slide.

2378
03:07:36,470 --> 03:07:38,310
I believe it's fairly on point.

2379
03:07:38,550 --> 03:07:44,350
We do have a lot of OT that I think based on what I did in my research, we're really ahead

2380
03:07:44,350 --> 03:07:46,270
of the standard municipal model.

2381
03:07:47,530 --> 03:07:53,110
Slide 7 basically is just a reiteration of the top earners, you know, our top earners

2382
03:07:53,110 --> 03:07:56,670
are basically we're number 3 behind Anaheim and Irvine.

2383
03:07:57,950 --> 03:08:05,630
50% of the OTE is an outlier, 30% to 40% is more on the regional norms, so my takeaway

2384
03:08:05,630 --> 03:08:11,710
on this slide was, you know, in any contract, we need to figure out a way to try and

2385
03:08:11,710 --> 03:08:15,370
reel in some of the OTE because it is expensive.

2386
03:08:16,430 --> 03:08:24,550
The next slide, it's more about OTE, but it's referencing fire, and tonight we're talking

2387
03:08:24,550 --> 03:08:32,630
a police slide number nine is talking about restoring economic solvency infrastructure sacrifice.

2388
03:08:33,330 --> 03:08:41,850
It says we're basically outpacing our peers, so it is, you'll see in a minute, the projected

2389
03:08:41,850 --> 03:08:45,170
budget deficit over the next five years is absolutely enormous.

2390
03:08:45,330 --> 03:08:54,230
I think it's going to add up to about 170 million, so it's no longer a hey, we were

2391
03:08:54,230 --> 03:09:00,150
surplus when you see these numbers that are undisputed, they came from, it came from the finance,

2392
03:09:00,290 --> 03:09:07,550
it also came from the city. They're about $170 million. So if we go to slide number 10,

2393
03:09:07,990 --> 03:09:15,350
the cost being surveyed on the new contract, year one, basically what this summarizes is,

2394
03:09:15,350 --> 03:09:22,730
this is going to cost us $20 million a year by the time we get to year three because if you

2395
03:09:22,730 --> 03:09:26,670
We had a hundred million dollar budget, and the next year you were at a hundred and four,

2396
03:09:26,890 --> 03:09:30,030
the next year you were at a hundred and six, so for two years you were at two hundred and

2397
03:09:30,030 --> 03:09:31,990
ten, and then you had another ten.

2398
03:09:32,270 --> 03:09:38,010
So in the year three, you're basically three hundred and twenty million dollars, so it's twenty

2399
03:09:38,010 --> 03:09:45,610
million dollars per year that carries forward because it's incremental in regards to the cost

2400
03:09:45,610 --> 03:09:46,150
increase.

2401
03:09:47,030 --> 03:09:54,230
In slide 11, it's just a reiteration, basically seeing the new MLU could cost us $20 million a year over the next 30 years.

2402
03:09:54,470 --> 03:09:59,970
And that amount increases substantially if fire asks for a similar...

2403
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:03,400
Contract, we could take substitute against substantially higher.

2404
03:10:04,400 --> 03:10:12,120
So, the five year basically forecast on the budget deficit, this supported by our Treasury department,

2405
03:10:12,740 --> 03:10:18,440
fiscal year 2627, let's just round it up to 19, 20, 20, 27 28, we can around that up to 27

2406
03:10:18,440 --> 03:10:28,940
million, 28, 29 we can round it down to 34, 2930 we can around it to 445 fiscal year 31, 476.

2407
03:10:29,500 --> 03:10:37,300
So you add up those five years, you're talking about over the next five years, a $172 million budget deficit.

2408
03:10:37,800 --> 03:10:42,400
And the only way we hear budget deficits, we're going to try and drive additional revenue.

2409
03:10:42,560 --> 03:10:48,820
But the city put together some forecasts over the next four years of a 10% growth growth rate.

2410
03:10:48,900 --> 03:10:56,020
And talking to the treasure and the CFO, even if we did grow at 10%, which incidentally,

2411
03:10:56,020 --> 03:11:00,060
We've been essentially flat over the last five to six years in growth.

2412
03:11:00,240 --> 03:11:04,800
It's been, you know, maybe a hundred basis points, a hundred and five basis points.

2413
03:11:05,060 --> 03:11:13,500
No or near 10%, there's no possible way we will ever be able to cover this deficit with new revenue.

2414
03:11:13,620 --> 03:11:15,460
We're going to do things to try and drive new revenue.

2415
03:11:15,760 --> 03:11:18,480
But we have to be serious about this budget deficit.

2416
03:11:19,480 --> 03:11:20,480
It's massive.

2417
03:11:21,220 --> 03:11:22,180
It's for real.

2418
03:11:22,680 --> 03:11:24,220
And it's not going to go away.

2419
03:11:24,220 --> 03:11:28,200
And we're not going to be, basically, if we have to go into the reserve funds every year,

2420
03:11:28,420 --> 03:11:33,660
like we did last year, or maybe we didn't, and we thought we did, we came over a million

2421
03:11:33,660 --> 03:11:34,180
dollar surplus.

2422
03:11:34,440 --> 03:11:40,840
But when you're trying to make 18 million, 30 million, 35, 44, go away, if you're going

2423
03:11:40,840 --> 03:11:48,260
into those reserve funds, you will be spent out, you will be depleted in five years.

2424
03:11:48,900 --> 03:11:51,700
And that's not just chicken little, hey, the sky is falling.

2425
03:11:51,700 --> 03:11:53,820
And these are real things we need to address again.

2426
03:11:54,360 --> 03:11:57,040
Two things can be true at the same time.

2427
03:11:57,180 --> 03:12:00,080
I can love public safety and think we have an incredible job.

2428
03:12:00,280 --> 03:12:05,460
Crime is down, homelessness down, people, love hunnies and beach, fire department, best

2429
03:12:05,460 --> 03:12:05,900
of the class.

2430
03:12:06,080 --> 03:12:06,740
I tell them all the time.

2431
03:12:06,820 --> 03:12:11,320
There's nobody better than our fire department, but I still have to be a fiduciary with

2432
03:12:11,320 --> 03:12:12,360
our public tax dollars.

2433
03:12:12,520 --> 03:12:18,280
And when you're looking at $170 million budget deficit that everybody's in support of in regards

2434
03:12:18,280 --> 03:12:20,880
to accuracy of the forecast of deficit.

2435
03:12:20,880 --> 03:12:26,600
We better be taking a real look at what we're going to do starting with these contracts so the five-year

2436
03:12:26,600 --> 03:12:35,900
forecast, same thing, that's the last line, so I'm going to make a motion, I'm going to make a motion to

2437
03:12:35,900 --> 03:12:42,060
table agenda item 26, ask the incredible finance commission to create a subcommittee take a look at

2438
03:12:42,060 --> 03:12:47,460
the financial impact of this MOU contract to the general fund and provide options to avoid bankruptcy,

2439
03:12:47,460 --> 03:12:53,140
not chicken little skies falling it's it's real if we don't address it. I'd also like to

2440
03:12:53,140 --> 03:12:59,500
direct the city manager and the CFO in conjunction with the city treasure to prepare a five to 10 year

2441
03:12:59,500 --> 03:13:07,140
financial analysis of the city's finances and bankruptcy risks in light of the police MOU and other upcoming labor

2442
03:13:07,140 --> 03:13:14,460
contracts unfunded pension liabilities and reserve levels. Then prepare a series of financial options available for the city

2443
03:13:14,460 --> 03:13:22,380
counsel to avoid bankruptcy the next 5 to 10 years as it pertains to a financial timeline.

2444
03:13:22,840 --> 03:13:23,980
So that is my motion.

2445
03:13:29,600 --> 03:13:36,440
I was kind of surprised because I definitely, I couldn't believe the numbers on the overtime.

2446
03:13:37,160 --> 03:13:42,080
And I was pretty stoked to see the officers from the POA and some of the other officers

2447
03:13:42,080 --> 03:13:49,060
come and mention how much the over time they've been working, because I know as a manager

2448
03:13:49,820 --> 03:13:55,860
I always like, I think the Long Beach out of policy that the guys had to take some vacation.

2449
03:13:56,360 --> 03:14:10,720
Every year they had to take time off because it leads to fatigue, mistakes, injury, and all kinds of other things that overwork

2450
03:14:10,720 --> 03:14:19,000
So I was kind of stoked to see you guys recognize that, and I don't mind everybody making

2451
03:14:19,000 --> 03:14:19,640
over time.

2452
03:14:20,120 --> 03:14:24,140
I mean, I want to pay as much as we can, but that's the key.

2453
03:14:24,160 --> 03:14:33,300
I want to pay all our employees as much as we can if we have it, but right now what's

2454
03:14:33,300 --> 03:14:38,620
being painted to us, what's being explained to us is we don't have it.

2455
03:14:38,620 --> 03:14:46,860
And rather than give it in hope, I'd rather have it prepared and planned that we can pay it.

2456
03:14:46,860 --> 03:14:51,040
I don't want to do it on a borrow or like I say, hope.

2457
03:14:51,620 --> 03:14:59,940
I just, and it scares the hell out of me, because treasure, I'm sorry, isn't there a man?

2458
03:15:01,280 --> 03:15:08,280
We can't just do all of our reserves. We have to maintain a certain amount, right?

2459
03:15:11,040 --> 03:15:15,460
So I think you have to separate your general fund reserves from your total reserves.

2460
03:15:15,800 --> 03:15:19,160
So our total reserve pool is called roughly $500 million.

2461
03:15:19,860 --> 03:15:25,280
Our general reserves. I'm going to look at my CFO as well. I think it's 160 right now. Give her take.

2462
03:15:25,280 --> 03:15:27,100
about 100.

2463
03:15:28,480 --> 03:15:32,280
Okay, so my number was higher from the actual reserve requirements.

2464
03:15:33,240 --> 03:15:40,700
There's recommendations for the GFOA to typically have about two months worth of the general fund.

2465
03:15:40,840 --> 03:15:43,260
Yeah, that's what I thought I thought it was a mandate, okay.

2466
03:15:43,680 --> 03:15:53,260
But it's not a mandate, but it's smart to have that this man, the reserves in hand,

2467
03:15:53,260 --> 03:16:00,340
just to be a safe financially sound or city and of course the more reserves that we have the

2468
03:16:00,340 --> 03:16:09,360
stronger we are to prepare for maybe much stakes or disasters. We have to also separate. So the

2469
03:16:09,360 --> 03:16:13,580
aggregate reserves include obviously as you call it, you know the enterprise funds and everything else.

2470
03:16:13,700 --> 03:16:17,760
Those are almost all and I'm going to look at the city manager because we've talked about this before.

2471
03:16:18,140 --> 03:16:23,180
Those are almost all bound by state law or by charter vote or other things that make it very

2472
03:16:23,180 --> 03:16:28,400
what we can do, so the general fund is the piece that we touch for things like operating expenses.

2473
03:16:29,300 --> 03:16:34,390
And the other kind of elephant around that I don't I don't I think we've missed a little bit

2474
03:16:34,700 --> 03:16:40,240
and referring to is we're talking about huge amounts of money increases in salaries.

2475
03:16:41,800 --> 03:16:48,180
And our our biggest liability just about is our pension liability debt, right?

2476
03:16:48,180 --> 03:16:57,180
our pension liability? Is not one of our largest? We have tons of pension liability and any kind

2477
03:16:57,180 --> 03:17:06,240
of increases such as this adds to that, doesn't it? Sure, I mean, yeah. Yes. Any increases to

2478
03:17:07,800 --> 03:17:15,140
labor costs, what increase in and culprous liability costs? Seeing that, that also worries me. So

2479
03:17:15,140 --> 03:17:21,360
There's a right now, I think there's still so much more we have to look into, like the prep.

2480
03:17:22,200 --> 03:17:26,900
And especially now, after seeing that report, those guys do and seeing others, they're

2481
03:17:26,900 --> 03:17:27,760
our finance committee.

2482
03:17:27,860 --> 03:17:31,080
They do an incredible job.

2483
03:17:32,020 --> 03:17:37,620
It's an amazing job in explaining things and coming up with the facts.

2484
03:17:37,620 --> 03:17:55,180
I'm going to second on's motion and just say again, I want to be able to pay our all our employees, public service, I love them, I love our fire, I love our police, but man, I don't like not being prepared to pay appropriately or go into debt doing it.

2485
03:17:55,440 --> 03:18:04,500
So I want to a little more study to see how maybe we can shift, maybe we can form some revenue, more revenue, and just get a little organized.

2486
03:18:05,440 --> 03:18:10,660
in debt before we dive into such a scary case.

2487
03:18:10,980 --> 03:18:14,580
If I may for this motion in second, the municipal code

2488
03:18:14,580 --> 03:18:20,320
does require that we bring back in the council vote on the proposed MOU within 30 days of the introduction.

2489
03:18:21,180 --> 03:18:24,460
So we were tentatively looking at September 1st meeting just to keep in mind,

2490
03:18:24,540 --> 03:18:27,580
we need to bring it back by the 15th, the second meeting in September.

2491
03:18:28,580 --> 03:18:30,440
In terms of time to table it.

2492
03:18:30,440 --> 03:18:32,920
or we could potentially vote on it tonight.

2493
03:18:34,540 --> 03:18:35,400
No, no.

2494
03:18:35,860 --> 03:18:36,520
It's not agenda.

2495
03:18:36,720 --> 03:18:37,540
It's to be voted on tonight.

2496
03:18:37,880 --> 03:18:41,640
OK, so you're seeing if this motion passes,

2497
03:18:41,960 --> 03:18:44,500
we have to come back prepared to vote.

2498
03:18:44,600 --> 03:18:46,120
Yes, we know by the 15th of September.

2499
03:18:46,680 --> 03:18:47,120
Correct.

2500
03:18:47,120 --> 03:18:47,740
Is that what you said?

2501
03:18:47,800 --> 03:18:48,100
Correct.

2502
03:18:48,320 --> 03:18:51,000
I mean, if that's what's required by the charter,

2503
03:18:51,220 --> 03:18:52,020
then that's what's required.

2504
03:18:54,000 --> 03:18:56,280
OK, so I just want to...

2505
03:18:56,280 --> 03:18:58,000
There's a lot of numbers being thrown out here.

2506
03:18:58,020 --> 03:18:59,700
I want to throw some of these numbers into perspective,

2507
03:18:59,700 --> 03:19:03,680
because I think we're conflating financial issues all over the city and putting it in on the

2508
03:19:03,680 --> 03:19:09,720
backs of the police officers right now. So, $170 million deficit, those are projected numbers

2509
03:19:09,720 --> 03:19:18,600
correct. Correct. And those are based on assumptions in which we are fully funding each year

2510
03:19:18,600 --> 03:19:25,740
in the budget, the unfilled positions correct. How many is that right now? I believe around

2511
03:19:25,740 --> 03:19:32,020
90 to 95 individuals so I haven't done the 90 to 95 and then how much on average is each position?

2512
03:19:33,620 --> 03:19:41,500
If I have about probably one 50 so one 50 so we're talking about roughly 12 to 15 million dollars then

2513
03:19:42,260 --> 03:19:48,300
easily so 12 so that's how every single year we go in with a budget deficit and then we end up with a surplus

2514
03:19:48,300 --> 03:19:54,000
Is because what we have to do is we have to fund the unfilled positions knowing that the positions aren't going to get filled

2515
03:19:54,000 --> 03:19:59,800
And then we add that money back to the budget which is in addition to other money that comes in and under

2516
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:05,160
That's probably the lion's share of how, in many cases, we end up with a surplus correct.

2517
03:20:06,820 --> 03:20:12,520
It's a combination of management hiring, so you have make a position cycle on field, just like you mentioned.

2518
03:20:13,140 --> 03:20:21,100
But you also have various other factors to where you have adopted projects that may not be going.

2519
03:20:21,360 --> 03:20:21,820
Yeah, that's right.

2520
03:20:22,900 --> 03:20:24,740
There's multiple mechanisms.

2521
03:20:24,740 --> 03:20:33,600
So when we're looking out and we're saying 170 million on a projected deficit, we're not taking into consideration the fact that we're going to then ultimately reconcile the budget each year.

2522
03:20:34,240 --> 03:20:41,220
But the other piece that I want to bring up here is, as we're looking at this, we're talking about in agreement at nine million dollars a year, right?

2523
03:20:41,220 --> 03:20:44,100
Because a lot of that is health insurance, so it's not 100 percent perusable.

2524
03:20:44,320 --> 03:20:52,640
So that's three million dollars each year over the next three years. That's three million dollars. Now we budget automatically 3 percent correct.

2525
03:20:53,420 --> 03:20:56,320
That's what we included in the 2067 budget.

2526
03:20:56,620 --> 03:20:58,280
Okay, so we're budgeting one point.

2527
03:20:58,380 --> 03:21:04,160
We're budgeting basically 1.5 million a year because it's about a 500,000 per percentage point.

2528
03:21:04,180 --> 03:21:05,500
Of the three percent, yes.

2529
03:21:05,780 --> 03:21:07,480
So we're budgeting 1.5 million.

2530
03:21:07,820 --> 03:21:09,120
The ask is three million.

2531
03:21:09,340 --> 03:21:13,140
So the net difference is 1.5 million a year over the next three years.

2532
03:21:13,380 --> 03:21:17,920
Now granted, I understand there's some compounded increase this year on your correct.

2533
03:21:18,840 --> 03:21:19,380
Correct.

2534
03:21:19,380 --> 03:21:26,980
I believe the first year we would ask for an additional appropriation of 2.7 to 2.7 beyond budget.

2535
03:21:27,300 --> 03:21:32,080
Yes, because I think the recommend the tenet of agreement for the first years 8 percent

2536
03:21:32,080 --> 03:21:35,940
and we budget three. So you have an additional 5 percent that you got to count four.

2537
03:21:36,320 --> 03:21:41,440
And so which is the 2.7 that. Okay, so 2.7 million the first year and then the second year

2538
03:21:41,440 --> 03:21:46,960
and the delta would be 1.5 million. I did not do the analysis for the second year as far as

2539
03:21:46,960 --> 03:21:50,380
appropriation we would ask for, but that would be built into the budget if that's approved.

2540
03:21:50,680 --> 03:21:54,980
Okay, so 2.7, the first year is the largest year, so just basic math we can assume

2541
03:21:54,980 --> 03:21:57,140
that it's cut in half because we go 8, 4, 5.

2542
03:21:57,860 --> 03:22:02,220
Okay, so 2.7, cut in half, then let's just go down to 1.5 and 1.5.

2543
03:22:02,360 --> 03:22:06,780
So we're talking about 2.7 million dollar increase in the first year, 1.5 and the next year,

2544
03:22:06,960 --> 03:22:12,280
1.5 and the next year to put 170 million dollar deficit on a 2.5 million dollar increase

2545
03:22:12,280 --> 03:22:18,780
across officers of which there's 240 officers, technically, well, a lot of number of officers

2546
03:22:18,780 --> 03:22:24,600
is 224 that amortizes somewhat lightly across the entire pool of officers.

2547
03:22:25,700 --> 03:22:30,260
So for me, I mean, we all obviously agree that public safety is the most fundamental responsibility

2548
03:22:30,260 --> 03:22:33,920
we have every single day, but we're competing with police departments throughout Orange County

2549
03:22:33,920 --> 03:22:35,020
for qualified officers.

2550
03:22:35,700 --> 03:22:39,380
One of the things that we've talked about extensively throughout this entire meeting is over

2551
03:22:39,380 --> 03:22:44,260
So in the absence of the bodies to fill the positions, we end up with this increase in overtime.

2552
03:22:44,500 --> 03:22:50,580
I know just from running businesses that ultimately when you have an access amount of overtime and you split those positions,

2553
03:22:50,880 --> 03:22:53,220
you bring in another body, you decrease the overtime.

2554
03:22:53,500 --> 03:22:59,420
So I would imagine that if we fill these positions, there's also going to be a decrease in the overtime overall.

2555
03:23:00,400 --> 03:23:07,840
One other thing I want to make mention of because it was brought up on multiple occasions about the timing of this agreement and how suspect it is.

2556
03:23:07,840 --> 03:23:14,400
this agreement we started this negotiation in November of 2025 I mean this is legally

2557
03:23:14,400 --> 03:23:19,020
how the process has to occur and we're actually beyond the point at which this agreement

2558
03:23:19,020 --> 03:23:22,880
should have been made so this agreement should have been made was it July 1st?

2559
03:23:24,920 --> 03:23:29,460
It expired June 30th yeah. It expired June 30th so we agreed to rush this and try and

2560
03:23:30,140 --> 03:23:35,800
retroactively obviously make this agreement come to fruition so the timing is the time and

2561
03:23:35,800 --> 03:23:41,080
I don't think the election, you know, we can't control that legally the only way in which

2562
03:23:41,080 --> 03:23:46,480
the labor union can make their agreements as a group as a pact and they're stuck to

2563
03:23:46,480 --> 03:23:47,480
this specific timeline.

2564
03:23:48,100 --> 03:23:52,360
But I also want to bring out the fact that if you look at all the other cities right now,

2565
03:23:52,360 --> 03:23:56,880
which I've done right, so in Huntington Beach specifically looking at the salaries of police

2566
03:23:56,880 --> 03:24:01,600
officers, police currently account for roughly 30 cents on every dollar or 30 percent

2567
03:24:01,600 --> 03:24:05,580
of Huntington Beach's general fund right and give or take a percentage point on that based

2568
03:24:05,580 --> 03:24:07,860
on the way in which people interpret this.

2569
03:24:08,020 --> 03:24:11,040
So to put that in perspective, fountain values around 31%

2570
03:24:11,040 --> 03:24:15,000
Santa Ana is around 38% and Anaheim is around 39%

2571
03:24:15,000 --> 03:24:19,360
Garden Grove is at 47% and Fullerton is 47% as well.

2572
03:24:19,600 --> 03:24:22,240
So the idea that Huntington Beach is devoting some extraordinary

2573
03:24:22,240 --> 03:24:25,420
share of its resources to policing simply isn't supported

2574
03:24:25,420 --> 03:24:26,220
by the numbers.

2575
03:24:27,320 --> 03:24:31,180
And for me, it's all about, okay, this is obviously,

2576
03:24:31,760 --> 03:24:35,120
look, you know, for us to get into the top five.

2577
03:24:35,120 --> 03:24:37,080
we did a comparable from the very beginning.

2578
03:24:37,320 --> 03:24:39,580
And this is important information for the public.

2579
03:24:40,480 --> 03:24:44,220
The Huntington Police Officer's Association was 12 out of 12.

2580
03:24:44,320 --> 03:24:49,400
And a city agreed upon survey in base pay, right, for the entire county.

2581
03:24:49,800 --> 03:24:53,760
And the survey showed that we were 9 out of 12 in total compensation.

2582
03:24:54,560 --> 03:24:59,980
So this agreement would put us just barely maybe on the outside of the top five.

2583
03:25:00,080 --> 03:25:11,760
So the question we have to ask ourselves is, we obviously, in a perfect world, we would want to get the first place, because I think Huntington Beach is a law and order city. Unfortunately, we can't get there. So, to tough decision, it's a balancing act that we have to take.

2584
03:25:12,960 --> 03:25:14,760
So, you can't point of order, Mayor?

2585
03:25:15,240 --> 03:25:28,280
Yeah. On those two facts, Zach, we were never 12, and we were never 9 in any discussions, and the tables we were shown, that's not where we were placed.

2586
03:25:30,320 --> 03:25:32,420
Are you talking about total comm service?

2587
03:25:32,920 --> 03:25:38,080
In the total comm service that we agreed upon to look at in comparing to other cities.

2588
03:25:38,480 --> 03:25:43,220
The RLS, bottom of the barrel, 12 out of 12 on base pay and 9 out of 12 on total comm.

2589
03:25:43,240 --> 03:25:51,100
We need to confirm the numbers exactly, but it was the bottom of it with it when it was just base pay and then maybe 7th when we were.

2590
03:25:51,320 --> 03:25:52,980
9 out of 12 on the RLS.

2591
03:25:52,980 --> 03:25:57,020
I don't think it's going with me, but it's two different ones.

2592
03:25:57,180 --> 03:25:58,660
Bottom of the barrel, 12 out of 12.

2593
03:25:59,080 --> 03:26:00,580
On base bay.

2594
03:26:01,000 --> 03:26:02,220
And nine out of 12 on total calm.

2595
03:26:03,420 --> 03:26:06,920
What that shows you is we gave a legacy contract three years ago,

2596
03:26:07,060 --> 03:26:08,780
and everybody else just raised their ways too.

2597
03:26:09,080 --> 03:26:11,280
It's what I call in the business will erase to the bottom.

2598
03:26:12,000 --> 03:26:15,620
I mean, you know, can we call the question?

2599
03:26:15,920 --> 03:26:19,200
You know, there's been a motion in a second.

2600
03:26:19,480 --> 03:26:21,560
Well, I mean, we're not allowed to talk.

2601
03:26:21,560 --> 03:26:22,260
you're allowed to do.

2602
03:26:22,340 --> 03:26:23,860
Oh, I mean, Chad doesn't all the time.

2603
03:26:24,080 --> 03:26:25,400
He calls it, you know, he interrupts the conversation.

2604
03:26:25,900 --> 03:26:27,040
He says he's a point of order called the question.

2605
03:26:27,580 --> 03:26:30,640
And then somebody says time to vote for personal insults.

2606
03:26:30,900 --> 03:26:33,960
It's kind of like my opportunity to deliver.

2607
03:26:34,320 --> 03:26:35,340
I just like everybody else.

2608
03:26:35,340 --> 03:26:37,200
I see a whole of the question that don't we.

2609
03:26:37,300 --> 03:26:38,840
You know, the vote on it, but I mean,

2610
03:26:39,120 --> 03:26:41,300
was this the kind of vote on the question, too?

2611
03:26:41,820 --> 03:26:43,320
But it's time to talk about it.

2612
03:26:43,320 --> 03:26:45,140
Yeah, I should all be able to say something.

2613
03:26:45,760 --> 03:26:47,200
So Councilman Grohl was talking.

2614
03:26:47,360 --> 03:26:49,280
I think it just kind of got hijacked there a little bit.

2615
03:26:50,520 --> 03:26:54,040
I mean, I think the, you know, generally speaking, the point I'm making is that it's important

2616
03:26:54,040 --> 03:26:55,020
to put this in context.

2617
03:26:55,120 --> 03:26:59,540
So I look at it as if we're budgeting, if we were budgeting 3% year on year, right, the

2618
03:26:59,540 --> 03:27:03,060
Delta that we're making up to try and get our police officers into a market in which we

2619
03:27:03,060 --> 03:27:08,940
can bring in more officers, ideally cut over time, in addition to the great work that they

2620
03:27:08,940 --> 03:27:09,360
already do.

2621
03:27:09,380 --> 03:27:11,200
But I mean, we're lean on officers right now.

2622
03:27:11,240 --> 03:27:12,660
So we've got to be able to bring people in.

2623
03:27:12,720 --> 03:27:13,340
It's the free market.

2624
03:27:13,360 --> 03:27:16,360
I know you say it's a race to the bottom, but it's also the free market working.

2625
03:27:16,360 --> 03:27:26,340
If we're training officers and then losing laterals to other cities, you know, where the ones who are actually funding the training for other cities to then pick up the rest of all of their expertise.

2626
03:27:26,580 --> 03:27:31,960
So for us, it's important about keeping officers, making sure that we can bring in new officers, fill some of these positions.

2627
03:27:32,860 --> 03:27:45,920
You know, do I think that it's a phenomenal deal? No, do I think that it's difficult for the city? Yes, but when we look at it from the perspective of just the money, we can't keep putting all of the onus on the backs of the police officers.

2628
03:27:45,920 --> 03:27:49,140
when there's an entire financial situation and we need to consider.

2629
03:27:49,440 --> 03:27:54,800
So the 170 million dollar number on the backs of this 1.5 million a year deal is just

2630
03:27:54,800 --> 03:28:01,380
not just I think that it's not on the backs of just police. I talked about the me too,

2631
03:28:01,520 --> 03:28:06,400
the fire is going to come on, all the other the unions that are coming on board. This sets of

2632
03:28:06,400 --> 03:28:13,000
precedent. It tables a baseline, police and fire. They kind of work in symmetry. So it's not,

2633
03:28:13,000 --> 03:28:16,580
I'm not just saying this is all because of an MOU for the police department.

2634
03:28:17,060 --> 03:28:24,380
This is all part of a collective period of time here where we have to make some decisions.

2635
03:28:24,940 --> 03:28:26,540
Are we able to do this?

2636
03:28:26,980 --> 03:28:28,880
Are we able to overcome these kinds of deficits?

2637
03:28:29,300 --> 03:28:32,760
And we've got 15 funded positions that they have not filled.

2638
03:28:33,200 --> 03:28:36,440
And that's been that way for a long period of time.

2639
03:28:42,820 --> 03:28:46,860
All right, just kind of go back to the information, the suspect information I'll say on

2640
03:28:46,860 --> 03:28:52,960
I'd like to ask Chief Tara if Councilman Kennedy ever bothered to sit down with you to go over the numbers.

2641
03:28:53,000 --> 03:28:54,000
I answered no.

2642
03:28:54,540 --> 03:28:56,240
I'm asking Chief Tara.

2643
03:28:57,280 --> 03:28:57,900
Can I?

2644
03:28:58,660 --> 03:29:02,180
I'm just trying to get a line of reasoning on the record here.

2645
03:29:02,240 --> 03:29:03,460
If I could Councilman Kennedy.

2646
03:29:04,460 --> 03:29:10,640
And so my question, Chief Tara, did you ever sit down with you to go verify any of the numbers on these slides or get context on them?

2647
03:29:12,240 --> 03:29:14,300
I haven't reviewed this with anyone.

2648
03:29:15,000 --> 03:29:22,820
And then same question to you Chief McCoy did, Councilman Kennedy ever sit down to go over these numbers to verify them or get any context from you.

2649
03:29:23,120 --> 03:29:25,560
I have the same answer, I haven't reviewed this with anyone.

2650
03:29:26,340 --> 03:29:32,360
And so it seemed to be the case that you went to the city treasure to get justification,

2651
03:29:32,660 --> 03:29:34,260
or validation of these numbers.

2652
03:29:34,360 --> 03:29:42,220
I guess my question to the city manager is that not wildly inappropriate to be going to the city treasure to do the costing on this.

2653
03:29:42,220 --> 03:29:47,920
with this not fall into the finance department and the heads of the department with the fire and police.

2654
03:29:49,560 --> 03:29:53,100
We do definitely have staff that could provide information.

2655
03:29:54,880 --> 03:29:56,240
I mean, is it appropriate?

2656
03:29:56,660 --> 03:29:59,360
Is it the City Chargers Office that should be verifying these numbers?

2657
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:02,480
Should the city treasure be doing the costing?

2658
03:30:05,610 --> 03:30:32,570
I guess I don't know who did this cost. He didn't do the costing. The costing was done by a finance commissioner. And before I was able to, before I would be willing to publish this, I made sure that these numbers were supported by somebody who would know. And that is our treasure. Okay, so that's your, your basis. I guess I'd like to go to the finance department. Is that, can you say that these numbers that were presented? Are, are, are, are, are, are they solid? Are they suspect in any way?

2659
03:30:32,570 --> 03:30:43,970
I can only speak to two of the slides, because those are the slides that I present it in our previous meetings in closed sessions.

2660
03:30:44,830 --> 03:30:51,950
So again, I can only verify two of the slides for a certain that I had produced those numbers, but other than that, the other numbers I have not had.

2661
03:30:51,950 --> 03:30:53,870
And where the numbers accurate on the slides?

2662
03:30:53,910 --> 03:30:54,330
Oh, sorry.

2663
03:30:54,550 --> 03:30:56,070
Are the numbers on these slides accurate

2664
03:30:56,070 --> 03:30:59,030
against what you've had on all of this slides?

2665
03:30:59,790 --> 03:31:02,970
No, the two that he's been party two.

2666
03:31:03,190 --> 03:31:05,410
Yes, that's those of the numbers that are provided on slide.

2667
03:31:08,270 --> 03:31:09,890
Which, can you put those slides up?

2668
03:31:10,210 --> 03:31:10,350
Is that?

2669
03:31:11,210 --> 03:31:11,750
12 and 13.

2670
03:31:12,230 --> 03:31:13,050
10, 12 and 13.

2671
03:31:13,210 --> 03:31:14,030
10, 12 and 13.

2672
03:31:14,470 --> 03:31:16,450
OK, so those two slides, that's it.

2673
03:31:16,490 --> 03:31:17,730
Resolids, 10, 12 and 13.

2674
03:31:17,790 --> 03:31:18,650
OK, three slides.

2675
03:31:19,170 --> 03:31:21,130
But apart from that, you can't verify the other side

2676
03:31:21,130 --> 03:31:22,850
to can't speak to them.

2677
03:31:23,070 --> 03:31:23,930
Not at this moment, no.

2678
03:31:24,170 --> 03:31:24,870
OK, great.

2679
03:31:25,290 --> 03:31:28,370
Now when it comes to the total costing of this contract, which

2680
03:31:28,370 --> 03:31:32,350
is a slightly north of 9 million, it works out to about 3 million

2681
03:31:32,350 --> 03:31:37,130
or so a year, I would say nobody, like our first responders,

2682
03:31:37,810 --> 03:31:40,190
has contributed to solving this budget deficit,

2683
03:31:40,230 --> 03:31:41,190
like they have.

2684
03:31:41,310 --> 03:31:45,290
And so Chief, if you look at how many positions were recently

2685
03:31:45,890 --> 03:31:48,990
defunded, how much savings towards the city would come from,

2686
03:31:48,990 --> 03:31:53,290
those, is it 13 physicians that were defunded?

2687
03:31:54,610 --> 03:31:59,830
There were 13 physicians that were the funding was removed.

2688
03:32:00,030 --> 03:32:03,450
They weren't taken off the books, but that ends up being about 3.4 million.

2689
03:32:03,770 --> 03:32:10,690
So on an annual basis, right there, that alone 3.4 million dollars back into the general fund allocated.

2690
03:32:11,330 --> 03:32:17,170
Currently, Huntington Beach Police Department has a total of 25 vacancies by my

2691
03:32:17,170 --> 03:32:23,230
it looks like that comes to about 4 million per year. That's sworn and not sworn. Okay, correct.

2692
03:32:23,390 --> 03:32:29,330
So that's another 4 million, again, towards solving this budget deficit. And my understanding is

2693
03:32:29,330 --> 03:32:36,050
you guys have made a commitment to reduce over time by 5%. And what would that come out to be

2694
03:32:36,050 --> 03:32:43,350
in terms of monetary value? Roughly 430,000. So a 3.4 million per year plus 4 million

2695
03:32:43,350 --> 03:32:52,030
per year plus 430,000, so on an annual basis, the total savings on an annual basis is $7.8 million.

2696
03:32:52,550 --> 03:32:53,790
And some change, $30,000.

2697
03:32:54,630 --> 03:33:03,310
So, like I said, nobody, you know, like Fire or HPD, HPPD has contributed to solving this budget deficit

2698
03:33:03,310 --> 03:33:05,030
in such a way.

2699
03:33:06,450 --> 03:33:12,230
And so, Councilman Kennedy, they never bothered to sit down with the chiefs to go and verify these numbers.

2700
03:33:12,230 --> 03:33:24,110
And the bottom line is that, you know, this is 10 months of good faith to go shading that we have been going over where our professionals have sat across from their professionals and we have come to a tentative agreement.

2701
03:33:25,230 --> 03:33:31,830
And so to suddenly kick this back to the Finance Commission when we are already out of contract that contract expired.

2702
03:33:32,410 --> 03:33:38,410
I don't think that that's the appropriate thing to be doing really it's just sabotaging a tentative agreement that we already have in place.

2703
03:33:38,410 --> 03:33:43,590
So we all knew that this vote was coming and if you want to vote against it, that's perfectly

2704
03:33:43,590 --> 03:33:44,070
fine.

2705
03:33:44,550 --> 03:33:50,090
I would like to make a motion and it's a substitute motion to move the staff recommended

2706
03:33:50,090 --> 03:33:51,550
action item.

2707
03:33:51,970 --> 03:33:54,150
I said that would be my substitute motion that I'll make.

2708
03:33:54,390 --> 03:33:59,150
Again, I just want to make it clear to the public we are not voting on the kind.

2709
03:33:59,610 --> 03:34:00,010
Correct.

2710
03:34:00,050 --> 03:34:03,670
The substitute motion is to move the staff recommended action.

2711
03:34:06,280 --> 03:34:08,840
But let's do it for a second and then when you want to see it.

2712
03:34:08,840 --> 03:34:12,420
You guys all get to talk all the time, I'm going to say something.

2713
03:34:14,920 --> 03:34:16,300
Sorry, you guys talk a lot.

2714
03:34:17,460 --> 03:34:19,780
So this was not easy for any of us.

2715
03:34:20,380 --> 03:34:24,760
One of our first promises was public safety to reduce crime,

2716
03:34:25,020 --> 03:34:27,540
to reduce homelessness, and we've done that.

2717
03:34:28,280 --> 03:34:31,260
Yes, we did do the whole legacy contract.

2718
03:34:31,260 --> 03:34:36,540
But to say that that didn't give us any benefits, it's not true.

2719
03:34:37,180 --> 03:34:41,800
Chief Paara, have we been able to do better in recruiting and retaining,

2720
03:34:42,300 --> 03:34:43,260
or at least retaining?

2721
03:34:43,440 --> 03:34:46,280
Because a lot of the people, the recruits were coming here,

2722
03:34:46,360 --> 03:34:48,020
getting their training from Huntington Beach,

2723
03:34:48,020 --> 03:34:49,660
and then leaving somewhere else.

2724
03:34:50,180 --> 03:34:52,220
Have we improved in our retention?

2725
03:34:53,600 --> 03:34:56,460
So we, after the last contract,

2726
03:34:56,720 --> 03:34:59,620
we saw an increase in applications.

2727
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:07,140
337 T1, second, city, we're talking about people in front of all the leaders of our

2728
03:35:07,140 --> 03:35:12,080
city, and then we are talking to people. And they all say the same thing that our city has

2729
03:35:12,080 --> 03:35:17,520
safer because of what our police and our fire have done. Now to say now we're doing

2730
03:35:17,520 --> 03:35:22,940
a fire, they're going to ask for the same thing. They don't have a recoup and retention

2731
03:35:23,280 --> 03:35:28,780
problem. They're our differences. And it's not like we're not taking steps to mitigate some of what

2732
03:35:28,780 --> 03:35:34,480
is going to cost, but given the fact that the 13 positions were defunded just not too long ago,

2733
03:35:34,800 --> 03:35:42,860
saving over $3.4 million, you know, the vacancies that we have and the promise that they

2734
03:35:42,860 --> 03:35:48,680
will be reducing over a time by 5% does make up for a lot of that money. This isn't easy

2735
03:35:48,680 --> 03:35:53,300
for anyone. We just want to make sure that our city is still safe. We want to make sure that

2736
03:35:53,300 --> 03:35:58,420
our tourists want to come back. The last thing we want is another problem. You can walk down the

2737
03:35:58,420 --> 03:36:04,340
blocks without bumping into five, six, seven homeless people. That's not the downtown we have

2738
03:36:04,340 --> 03:36:09,540
today. We have tourists that haven't been here in years. One of them said he hadn't been here

2739
03:36:09,540 --> 03:36:14,200
in a decade, but he came downtown in our city with so much cleaner, so much better. They came back

2740
03:36:14,200 --> 03:36:21,060
and brought their family. We rely on those tourism dollars. The survival of our city relies on the

2741
03:36:21,060 --> 03:36:28,400
tourism dollars. So like I said, this wasn't easy, but there were benefits and what we

2742
03:36:28,400 --> 03:36:35,160
done and I want to make sure that we continue to have honey to be to be the safe city that it is.

2743
03:36:35,600 --> 03:36:39,840
And it's not like I said it's not easy. Sometimes we have to make our decisions and that's a

2744
03:36:39,840 --> 03:36:42,780
commitment. We made one we decided to set up here on council.

2745
03:36:45,500 --> 03:36:47,140
I'll jump in. Can you put up that slide

2746
03:36:47,140 --> 03:36:48,680
12 from the presentation?

2747
03:36:52,480 --> 03:36:52,840
Yes, please.

2748
03:37:08,270 --> 03:37:10,910
Thank you. Zach, that's the one, right?

2749
03:37:16,510 --> 03:37:18,850
Yes, you

2750
03:37:18,850 --> 03:37:22,810
The first thing to say when you first started out is, is totally true, is two things in

2751
03:37:22,810 --> 03:37:23,970
the same time.

2752
03:37:24,410 --> 03:37:28,570
Like, we've core support public safety, no one wrote a government, you know, very proud

2753
03:37:28,570 --> 03:37:32,850
of the work we've done these last four years, all-time almost reduction numbers, crimes

2754
03:37:32,850 --> 03:37:39,150
on 27%, but then you can also care about your fiduciary responsibility to the taxpayers

2755
03:37:39,150 --> 03:37:42,110
and the residents to make sure your city is strong financially and so on.

2756
03:37:43,290 --> 03:37:48,190
And there's been a lot of numbers like thrown out tonight by other council members and

2757
03:37:48,190 --> 03:37:53,190
And what's clear, this whole process, all I've ever asked is like, how do we pay for it?

2758
03:37:54,170 --> 03:37:58,830
And we've got now two people saying in our culinary CFO that these numbers are correct.

2759
03:37:59,690 --> 03:38:02,610
And we were told earlier that we had 150 million in reserves.

2760
03:38:03,010 --> 03:38:04,490
CFO is so we actually only have 100.

2761
03:38:05,330 --> 03:38:10,450
But just add these numbers up, 40, 70, 70, 75, 110.

2762
03:38:11,090 --> 03:38:13,650
I mean by 29, 30, we're out of reserves.

2763
03:38:14,490 --> 03:38:17,010
And if someone disagrees with me, let me know.

2764
03:38:17,010 --> 03:38:20,850
But that means by 20, 9, 30, you're essentially bankrupt.

2765
03:38:21,650 --> 03:38:23,450
And you have to look to Samford and Dino.

2766
03:38:24,090 --> 03:38:25,470
You see what's going on along me try now?

2767
03:38:25,590 --> 03:38:27,730
They've got a crazy sales tax over there,

2768
03:38:27,790 --> 03:38:31,890
like 11.25%, article just came out a couple of weeks ago.

2769
03:38:32,110 --> 03:38:34,850
They had to lay off tons of people, including public safety,

2770
03:38:35,370 --> 03:38:36,350
cutting services.

2771
03:38:36,810 --> 03:38:38,250
So I think it's totally prudent.

2772
03:38:38,370 --> 03:38:40,670
We have time between now and mid September.

2773
03:38:41,530 --> 03:38:43,850
Finance commission was up on the sports complex.

2774
03:38:44,230 --> 03:38:45,830
And everyone was seeing in their praises

2775
03:38:45,830 --> 03:38:52,610
on their financial analysis and you know options to get this done is totally reasonable to

2776
03:38:52,610 --> 03:38:57,550
ask them to do the same thing. So hey guys this is we verify these numbers from the

2777
03:38:57,550 --> 03:39:02,430
CFOs saying this is accurate. We hear some options you guys can implement in our

2778
03:39:02,430 --> 03:39:07,590
opinion to avoid bankruptcy. It's also very prudent to ask them the CFO along with the city

2779
03:39:07,590 --> 03:39:13,490
manager and the treasurer per council member Kennedy's motion to do the same thing to clear

2780
03:39:13,490 --> 03:39:19,530
all this confusion on which numbers are accurate and which aren't, like let's have two different groups come back to us

2781
03:39:19,530 --> 03:39:22,270
to verify but also provide solutions to avoid bankruptcy.

2782
03:39:23,150 --> 03:39:28,530
Because he just said the CFO said these numbers are accurate and by 2930 you're bankrupt, it's over.

2783
03:39:29,270 --> 03:39:35,750
And I've, you know, her discussion is like if we can get to 2031, 2032, you can bend the calipers curve down

2784
03:39:35,750 --> 03:39:40,030
when the younger pepper employees take over and all that debt load starts to decrease

2785
03:39:40,030 --> 03:39:45,530
We pay off our pension obligation bonds. If we can get enough runaway to get to 2031-2032

2786
03:39:46,150 --> 03:39:52,750
We'll stay solvent. We'll be strong financially at the same time. We're all working on a lot of great things to bring in revenue like the sports complex

2787
03:39:52,750 --> 03:39:53,890
It's a big deal

2788
03:39:53,890 --> 03:39:59,890
Finance Commissioner should all talk about it like we want to take our time and get it done right landify. I think that's that's a no-brainer, right?

2789
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:05,240
So work in conjunction and then find a way to pay for this and get us on strong financial footing to

2790
03:40:05,240 --> 03:40:09,020
whether the storm, I think is totally appropriate. I think it's prudent. I think it's reasonable.

2791
03:40:09,180 --> 03:40:16,400
I think it's rational. They have retro to July 1st. So, again, by the code, it's September 15th.

2792
03:40:17,020 --> 03:40:22,320
I just think it's totally rational for Councilor Kenney's idea. To use what we have here, use our commissioners,

2793
03:40:22,600 --> 03:40:28,240
use our CFO, use our city manager, use our treasure to come back before we vote on it. And that's why I support

2794
03:40:28,240 --> 03:40:34,400
I can't use motion because we have time to do it. It's totally reasonable. And I don't really see a counter argument not to do that. We have the time to do it.

2795
03:40:34,460 --> 03:40:39,460
Let's look for help from our professionals and see if we can weather this storm financially to pay our police officers.

2796
03:40:40,080 --> 03:40:44,960
All the other labor contracts we have coming up, stay solvent, get through the storm and then we'll be good on the other side.

2797
03:40:46,720 --> 03:40:49,100
Mayor, make sure we're making sure we make one comment.

2798
03:40:49,200 --> 03:40:52,280
I'm gonna clarify, I'm something councilmember Williams said.

2799
03:40:52,280 --> 03:40:59,520
Council Member Kennedy called the City Manager and then subsequently meet together on a conference call last night.

2800
03:40:59,920 --> 03:41:01,920
Specifically asking about this presentation.

2801
03:41:02,480 --> 03:41:08,180
Subsequent to that, I spent all night trying to validate the numbers because they're from publicly held sources.

2802
03:41:08,600 --> 03:41:18,680
Our budget books and transparency California for the pieces I knew and I specifically asked the City Manager with regard to slide this slide and the other ones that are related to the finance piece of the component.

2803
03:41:18,680 --> 03:41:23,400
So this has all three pieces of the picture brought together.

2804
03:41:23,680 --> 03:41:27,760
We're not none of us are vouching for any assertions that are made in here.

2805
03:41:28,020 --> 03:41:33,000
We're only vouching for the numbers as best we could do on less than 24 hours of validation

2806
03:41:33,000 --> 03:41:33,640
time.

2807
03:41:33,820 --> 03:41:39,140
Quite frankly, that's extraordinarily fast, and if these numbers are remotely true, even

2808
03:41:39,140 --> 03:41:44,600
close, given what our general fund reserves, my read as a lawyer, as the city treasure

2809
03:41:44,600 --> 03:41:51,240
who's independent of this council would be that if this were to play out as evidence here,

2810
03:41:51,460 --> 03:41:55,100
given our current reserve levels, and I would like to see measures see if he disagrees

2811
03:41:55,100 --> 03:41:59,880
or a city attorney, this would require us to declare a fiscal emergency and potentially

2812
03:41:59,880 --> 03:42:02,860
file for chapter 9 bankruptcy.

2813
03:42:07,010 --> 03:42:09,750
Okay, and so just to be clear, baked into these numbers,

2814
03:42:09,970 --> 03:42:15,730
baked into these numbers is the assumption that we are filling all positions, fully funding

2815
03:42:15,730 --> 03:42:22,210
all positions. Is that correct, that? Yes. I mean, I would like to see a chart that may

2816
03:42:22,210 --> 03:42:27,650
be, you know, projects realistically, the reality, right, of not, because we're just adding

2817
03:42:27,650 --> 03:42:32,210
upon adding on top of that. But again, tonight, this does seem to be falling on the backs

2818
03:42:32,210 --> 03:42:36,870
of our police and as much as people want to wax eloquently about how much they value them.

2819
03:42:37,050 --> 03:42:40,750
Really, what determines the value of something is how much you're willing to pay for it. You

2820
03:42:40,750 --> 03:42:44,850
think about a commodity like gold or silver. It's only worth as much as you're willing

2821
03:42:44,850 --> 03:42:48,750
pay for it. If tomorrow we just decide it's another worthless metal, then what is it?

2822
03:42:48,890 --> 03:42:52,390
And so what determines the value of something is how much you are willing to pay for it.

2823
03:42:52,390 --> 03:42:56,670
So you can say with your mouth that we value the police, but when it really comes down to it,

2824
03:42:56,670 --> 03:43:01,570
push comes the shove, you know, action speak louder than words. Whether or not we have the money,

2825
03:43:01,690 --> 03:43:06,130
we do have the money. We have north of $300 million in our general fund. It's just a matter of

2826
03:43:06,130 --> 03:43:12,130
how is that money allocated? And when you consider the cost of this contract, which is just

2827
03:43:12,130 --> 03:43:17,830
slightly north of $3 million per year, but you look at the savings, $7.8 million dollars.

2828
03:43:18,010 --> 03:43:20,130
They give back to us on an annual basis.

2829
03:43:20,970 --> 03:43:25,750
They're bottom of the barrel when it comes to base pay, 12 out of 12.

2830
03:43:26,490 --> 03:43:28,810
9 out of 12 when it comes to total compensation.

2831
03:43:29,950 --> 03:43:31,690
And so I don't think that this is prudent.

2832
03:43:31,750 --> 03:43:33,550
This is procedural sabotage.

2833
03:43:33,710 --> 03:43:35,510
We've been working on this for 10 months.

2834
03:43:35,990 --> 03:43:39,870
The opportunity to kick this back to the Finance Commission was many months ago.

2835
03:43:39,870 --> 03:43:48,310
This is procedural sabotage, and so the substitute motion if I can get a second is to move the staff recommended action.

2836
03:43:49,150 --> 03:43:51,370
Can you read a vote against it if you want to?

2837
03:43:51,710 --> 03:43:58,910
There's one cost though that you heard the guys talk about the overtime, and this is something that I always worried about.

2838
03:43:59,150 --> 03:44:06,590
Like I say, there's a cost that is immeasurable kind of in working that much overtime.

2839
03:44:06,590 --> 03:44:13,530
there's the fatigue which leads to injuries which means to burn out which can lead to

2840
03:44:13,530 --> 03:44:19,390
trouble and all that and that's kind of that can bite us in the behind bay and

2841
03:44:19,390 --> 03:44:23,510
it's irresponsible for us to put that burden on these guys to work that much

2842
03:44:23,510 --> 03:44:29,870
overtime. I want to pay him. It's just scary to me that between that kind of

2843
03:44:29,870 --> 03:44:36,290
aspect and these numbers that I don't think we were given a clear picture on the

2844
03:44:36,290 --> 03:44:38,350
devastation, it was going to do to us.

2845
03:44:38,350 --> 03:44:43,490
Well, if we could fill these positions with a competitive contract, then we won't be happy

2846
03:44:43,490 --> 03:44:45,650
to fill the void with this over time.

2847
03:44:46,370 --> 03:44:49,450
And so, and some of the two motions out there, can we get a second for the two?

2848
03:44:49,450 --> 03:44:49,610
Yep, the two.

2849
03:44:49,750 --> 03:44:50,510
I'm going to segment.

2850
03:44:50,750 --> 03:44:53,350
I just want to say, I want to re-put this in context.

2851
03:44:53,710 --> 03:44:55,030
We've made some bold statements here.

2852
03:44:55,070 --> 03:44:58,710
We're talking about 170 million dollar deaths that we're talking about filing bankruptcy in

2853
03:44:58,710 --> 03:44:59,050
the city.

2854
03:44:59,610 --> 03:44:59,970
We are...

2855
03:45:00,500 --> 03:45:21,980
Discussing a $1.5 million increase for three years. That's all we're discussing right now. So to take a $1.5 million increase, over and above what's been budgeted on an average, you can push that out to $1.819 to suggest then that that is going to end up with $177 million deficit. That's just not fair to make that comparison.

2856
03:45:21,980 --> 03:45:27,680
Well, council member, girl, that's why the TV can show the screen of that. We're looking at, I mean, do you dispute these numbers?

2857
03:45:27,760 --> 03:45:36,020
I do dispute those numbers because those numbers assume that we're fully filling 95 positions every single year over the next five years, which we all know is not going to happen.

2858
03:45:36,380 --> 03:45:39,440
And there's going to be a surplus that's added back to it every single year.

2859
03:45:39,860 --> 03:45:42,580
There's savings, assumptions are based on we're not filling anything.

2860
03:45:42,640 --> 03:45:51,960
No, no, you're right, structurally. No, no, you're correct, structurally, but regardless, money and you know that we're not going to end up

2861
03:45:51,960 --> 03:45:57,300
But those numbers could potentially drive us into bankruptcy, but those are thumb-suck numbers,

2862
03:45:57,360 --> 03:45:58,060
those are projections.

2863
03:45:58,620 --> 03:46:02,460
$1.5 million increase for the next three years is not going to drive the country.

2864
03:46:02,460 --> 03:46:03,960
That's basically not feeling anything.

2865
03:46:04,020 --> 03:46:08,920
The other thing is that nobody comes on here to work for Heinz and Beach PD based on a base

2866
03:46:08,920 --> 03:46:09,140
pay.

2867
03:46:09,560 --> 03:46:11,400
They look at the holistic approach.

2868
03:46:11,640 --> 03:46:15,380
What's the average wage for a patrolman, like a new hire?

2869
03:46:15,600 --> 03:46:21,700
It's basically pay, it's benefits, so the whole package is what somebody looks at.

2870
03:46:21,700 --> 03:46:23,740
When I'm getting hired into coming, I don't go,

2871
03:46:23,760 --> 03:46:24,820
what's my hourly rate?

2872
03:46:25,340 --> 03:46:26,880
No, what am I getting holistically?

2873
03:46:27,100 --> 03:46:28,120
And that's how you hire people.

2874
03:46:28,240 --> 03:46:30,320
You don't just go, hey, we're low on the base page.

2875
03:46:31,320 --> 03:46:32,700
But by the time you add in everything else,

2876
03:46:33,000 --> 03:46:34,360
you're not at the bottom of the door.

2877
03:46:34,720 --> 03:46:38,400
You had officers without fail come to the microphone this evening,

2878
03:46:38,700 --> 03:46:41,060
talking about how important those numbers are.

2879
03:46:41,240 --> 03:46:44,580
And if we're not competitive, the danger of losing officers.

2880
03:46:45,120 --> 03:46:46,420
So I'll take it from that.

2881
03:46:46,460 --> 03:46:47,880
The one that risk life in London.

2882
03:46:48,180 --> 03:46:50,280
What I don't understand is like we have time.

2883
03:46:50,280 --> 03:46:53,020
The Finance Commission meets before even our next meeting.

2884
03:46:54,140 --> 03:46:57,220
There's time I believe for the CFO and the City Manager and the Treasurer.

2885
03:46:58,020 --> 03:47:01,180
It's a verify these numbers you guys are throwing about a million and a half for this and that.

2886
03:47:01,240 --> 03:47:04,220
When we all agree this charts real, you guys don't believe it is.

2887
03:47:04,460 --> 03:47:09,460
So I don't understand why we can't allow the Finance Commission to review it at the same time as CFO.

2888
03:47:09,680 --> 03:47:12,200
City Manager and the Treasurer, because it's going to happen before we vote on it.

2889
03:47:12,200 --> 03:47:14,180
Why would you guys not be for that? I don't understand.

2890
03:47:14,520 --> 03:47:18,320
That's just good being a good financial steward and say, hey guys, is this accurate?

2891
03:47:18,320 --> 03:47:21,660
these numbers that we're throwing out are under is this accurate or is this what we're looking

2892
03:47:21,660 --> 03:47:26,960
on the screen accurate that slide and our CFO says it is. So let's let them verify the data,

2893
03:47:27,240 --> 03:47:30,420
they can do average, you know, over the years of how many staff positions we've filled,

2894
03:47:30,860 --> 03:47:34,480
hopefully these numbers aren't as bad as it looks on this chart, and then come back with solutions

2895
03:47:34,480 --> 03:47:38,980
that we can pay for. That's that's just sound, private, prudent, financial planning,

2896
03:47:39,140 --> 03:47:42,980
anyone who do that in your home, your business, be an honest city council member.

2897
03:47:42,980 --> 03:47:51,820
Or they consider the other unions and employees throughout the city that we're going to have to want to pay.

2898
03:47:52,200 --> 03:47:53,420
And that's what's also scared.

2899
03:47:53,820 --> 03:47:55,140
So I also consider it.

2900
03:47:55,480 --> 03:47:57,080
So I'll second Chad's motion.

2901
03:47:57,640 --> 03:47:58,380
All right.

2902
03:47:58,440 --> 03:47:59,400
Take it.

2903
03:47:59,500 --> 03:48:01,260
Can I just get a clarification?

2904
03:48:02,660 --> 03:48:03,160
Real quick.

2905
03:48:03,240 --> 03:48:04,320
Because I agree with everybody.

2906
03:48:05,260 --> 03:48:10,820
I agree with the, I agree with the, you know, being financial stewards and that's part of our

2907
03:48:10,820 --> 03:48:19,260
responsibility and you can't look past that. I also love our our police. No matter what

2908
03:48:19,260 --> 03:48:26,320
we do tonight, we're still looking at 30 days down the road to approve this MOU. Is that correct?

2909
03:48:27,020 --> 03:48:32,160
This is part of the procedure if if we don't go forward with this procedure, then really.

2910
03:48:33,000 --> 03:48:38,000
We're knocking it off the rails. Is that right? We're not voting on approving the MOU until

2911
03:48:38,000 --> 03:48:43,880
for 30 days right to be abundantly clear again to the public there's no vote on the mo

2912
03:48:44,560 --> 03:48:49,860
you tonight it has to be it has to come back within 30 days so finance commission is going

2913
03:48:49,860 --> 03:48:54,640
to look at it anyway no matter what we vote on tonight correct today it's just to receive

2914
03:48:54,640 --> 03:48:58,940
and consider yeah but i think the council committee motion he's asking the finance commission

2915
03:48:58,940 --> 03:49:03,800
between now and then to come back with report analysis recommendations and also

2916
03:49:03,800 --> 03:49:06,120
to do that anyway, no matter how we vote.

2917
03:49:06,580 --> 03:49:08,200
Yeah, but I think we've got to give direction.

2918
03:49:08,360 --> 03:49:11,040
I would imagine, yeah, I've got to give direction to do it.

2919
03:49:11,380 --> 03:49:13,600
Did you have a meeting between now and then?

2920
03:49:13,940 --> 03:49:17,400
We have a direction on the sports complex, but they did it.

2921
03:49:17,500 --> 03:49:18,220
I think we got to do it.

2922
03:49:18,220 --> 03:49:20,020
No, we got, we give direction on the sports complex.

2923
03:49:20,260 --> 03:49:20,520
We did it.

2924
03:49:21,320 --> 03:49:22,100
I wasn't wrong.

2925
03:49:22,140 --> 03:49:26,040
City Attorney, is the finance commission actually weigh in

2926
03:49:26,040 --> 03:49:28,500
on whether or not they think that the agreement

2927
03:49:28,500 --> 03:49:31,100
that was negotiated is a good deal or bad deal?

2928
03:49:31,200 --> 03:49:32,820
Can they make any value judgment like that?

2929
03:49:32,820 --> 03:49:37,120
they can certainly look at the numbers and I think that was the motion was to look at the number

2930
03:49:37,120 --> 03:49:42,780
that verified. Should I restate the motion? We got 30 days anyway. Why not have them look at it?

2931
03:49:43,060 --> 03:49:48,540
It's still we still get the vote on in 30 days. Is that correct? All right, let's go down this route.

2932
03:49:48,700 --> 03:49:53,980
You know, they they come back with a recommendation not to move forward on it and then where do we go from there?

2933
03:49:54,120 --> 03:49:58,320
So we have a tentative agreement. I mean, are we not now opening our seats? You would have to go.

2934
03:49:58,320 --> 03:49:59,960
What's the journey? Are we not open?

2935
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:04,560
We're meeting ourselves up to potential litigation after entering into a tentative agreement that we already

2936
03:50:04,560 --> 03:50:08,240
agreed upon, they agreed upon, and then we want to try and walk that back.

2937
03:50:08,600 --> 03:50:17,920
Well, I mean, I think there's two questions. Number one, I think the motion is to have them look at the numbers, not to make a value judgment on whether or not to adopt the MOU or not.

2938
03:50:18,280 --> 03:50:19,000
And I would...

2939
03:50:19,740 --> 03:50:26,260
I mean, there are already making value judgments on shutting down firehouses. I mean, this was the Finance Commission that put this presentation forward.

2940
03:50:26,260 --> 03:50:37,020
There wasn't the Finance Commission, it was one commissioner, and he made suggestions, you know, they make suggestions all the time, they don't have a vote, they make suggestions, we take some, we don't take some, that's what the commission does.

2941
03:50:37,700 --> 03:50:55,220
The bottom line is, as Councilman William said, excuse me, twining, we're going to be voting, they could come back with the greatest solution, and we put it to a vote, this MOU, and it could pass, so again, we're not voting on this.

2942
03:50:55,220 --> 03:50:58,380
So let's just let them take a look at it.

2943
03:50:58,500 --> 03:51:01,120
Maybe we'll give us something that we all even feel better about.

2944
03:51:01,220 --> 03:51:04,140
And most importantly, the public feels better about it.

2945
03:51:04,180 --> 03:51:05,060
It's good for the police.

2946
03:51:05,200 --> 03:51:05,960
It's good for fire.

2947
03:51:05,980 --> 03:51:06,920
It's good for the city.

2948
03:51:07,180 --> 03:51:08,620
Who knows what they'll come up with?

2949
03:51:08,840 --> 03:51:11,040
But you've touted them so many different times.

2950
03:51:11,580 --> 03:51:16,800
Now for some reason, you don't want to give them just the opportunities to just substantiate

2951
03:51:16,800 --> 03:51:17,280
the numbers.

2952
03:51:17,480 --> 03:51:23,980
A lot of numbers moving around, support them, substantiate them, dispute them, and make a recommendation

2953
03:51:23,980 --> 03:51:29,780
that we can talk about. And then we'll call the question on the vote and the chips will fall,

2954
03:51:29,960 --> 03:51:33,860
wherever they fall. Well, I think that I just want to go on record it. If I'm voting for the

2955
03:51:33,860 --> 03:51:39,100
ammo, I would vote for it. However, since we're not voting on the ammo, you tonight,

2956
03:51:40,640 --> 03:51:44,560
I will listen to whatever anybody says to me, but if we vote on the ammo, you tonight,

2957
03:51:44,940 --> 03:51:51,100
I'd vote for it. So, Attorney, can you walk us through this because, you know, and I'm also the new

2958
03:51:51,100 --> 03:51:55,520
How many votes does it take before acceptance? And what's the timeline look like on that vote?

2959
03:51:56,680 --> 03:52:00,380
It takes four votes. No, I know it takes four votes. I'm sorry. How many

2960
03:52:01,400 --> 03:52:05,560
sessions? Oh, I'm sorry. I'm like that seemed like a pretty simple question

2961
03:52:08,300 --> 03:52:13,620
So under a meeting code and I just I inadvertently just deleted it. It's two points something and

2962
03:52:14,260 --> 03:52:19,000
Also under the Myers-Mellias Brown Act once a ton of agreement is brought forward

2963
03:52:19,000 --> 03:52:27,860
you have 30 days to act on it, our municode, the coin ordinance, adds a little bit different

2964
03:52:27,860 --> 03:52:32,480
of a procedural piece to it, where you bring it, you bring it to the agreement, to the

2965
03:52:32,480 --> 03:52:39,300
council, the council looks at it, reviews it, and then it comes back within 30 days after

2966
03:52:39,300 --> 03:52:43,880
that is brought to the council. So that's the process that we've created on these meetings.

2967
03:52:43,920 --> 03:52:48,820
It's 30 days from today. Within 30 days. Within 30 days from today, to get codified.

2968
03:52:48,820 --> 03:53:00,960
So no matter how I vote on this, it's not coming back for 30 days, and honestly I don't care if the finance commission looks at it, that's fine. Let them look at it, you know, I'm fine with that.

2969
03:53:01,160 --> 03:53:04,540
But if we're voting on the MOU tonight, we're not voting on the MOU tonight.

2970
03:53:04,660 --> 03:53:05,940
Yeah, I would vote for it.

2971
03:53:06,540 --> 03:53:15,100
Again, I would, if there's direction to the finance commission, it's just that they look at the numbers, not that they describe any value judgment to the contract itself.

2972
03:53:15,100 --> 03:53:22,540
Yeah, that language didn't call for value, just look at it, get together with finance, get

2973
03:53:22,540 --> 03:53:28,540
together with the CFO, get together with the commission, their subcommittee, get together

2974
03:53:28,540 --> 03:53:34,580
the city manager, and collectively look at it, but this is what these guys do, these guys

2975
03:53:34,580 --> 03:53:40,040
are incredible at finance commissioning. That's why they're touted all the time. So let

2976
03:53:40,040 --> 03:53:44,700
them take a look at it, the vote's going to come back, it'll be retroactive back to the

2977
03:53:44,700 --> 03:53:51,700
expiration of the contract, and so whatever it gets passed, they will get paid, and you

2978
03:53:51,700 --> 03:53:55,520
know, just look at it this way. We're trying to be fiduciaries for the citizens.

2979
03:53:56,640 --> 03:54:00,800
They're votes coming. They're votes coming, and if there's four people up here that still

2980
03:54:00,800 --> 03:54:05,120
have that will to pass it, there might be seven all of a sudden.

2981
03:54:06,140 --> 03:54:08,280
It's also maximum transparency, right?

2982
03:54:09,240 --> 03:54:13,780
Why don't you tell us what the coin acronym stands for? It's open to the negotiations, correct?

2983
03:54:13,780 --> 03:54:15,420
What's the sea stand for again?

2984
03:54:17,310 --> 03:54:18,730
The rest is open to negotiations.

2985
03:54:20,770 --> 03:54:21,470
What is it?

2986
03:54:22,370 --> 03:54:24,230
Civic open to negotiations coin.

2987
03:54:24,970 --> 03:54:26,790
So, I mean, just by doing that,

2988
03:54:27,090 --> 03:54:28,350
it's going to make the whole city feel better.

2989
03:54:28,510 --> 03:54:30,350
Feel like, you know, before we approve something,

2990
03:54:30,730 --> 03:54:33,650
they had a little bit of an ear to how it works,

2991
03:54:34,110 --> 03:54:36,910
and maybe it'll pass with a majority of all seven,

2992
03:54:37,070 --> 03:54:39,310
and that feel even better for the residents.

2993
03:54:40,550 --> 03:54:41,530
Yeah, I think they're beautiful.

2994
03:54:42,130 --> 03:54:43,110
People that are here in the room,

2995
03:54:43,110 --> 03:54:47,110
they've got good instincts and those are watching right now clear as a day this is a delay

2996
03:54:47,110 --> 03:54:50,870
tactic this isn't really procedures you don't agree with each other

2997
03:54:50,870 --> 03:54:54,430
you put a motion to the other we're investigating and we'll see each other this

2998
03:54:54,430 --> 03:54:58,090
okay see what you want to attempt this abitage of the agreement where do you

2999
03:54:58,090 --> 03:54:59,970
have to send it to the ground it was in place anyway

3000
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:04,600
The substitute motion got a second, so let's go ahead and take a vote on that.

3001
03:55:07,410 --> 03:55:11,230
The finance commissioner doesn't get the look at the commission.

3002
03:55:11,410 --> 03:55:13,630
Yes, it's just voting. Can't they look at it anyway?

3003
03:55:15,590 --> 03:55:20,630
Well, then you could vote for it. If you think they could look at it after you voted for this, but

3004
03:55:20,630 --> 03:55:24,990
and they can confer with you because you're going to wind up voting on it again later, right?

3005
03:55:25,170 --> 03:55:28,510
So let's just move this ball forward instead of delaying and sabotaging.

3006
03:55:28,510 --> 03:55:33,050
But if we move this forward, the Finance Commission can still look at this, including everybody

3007
03:55:33,050 --> 03:55:36,370
else, and we can have the same process and procedure, but we're sticking to a tighter

3008
03:55:36,370 --> 03:55:41,430
timeline upon which we've already spent 10 months with experts back and forth discussing

3009
03:55:41,430 --> 03:55:42,790
this exact matter.

3010
03:55:44,750 --> 03:55:47,870
But it's not going to, no matter how we vote, yes or no, it's still going to go another

3011
03:55:47,870 --> 03:55:48,630
month, right?

3012
03:55:49,070 --> 03:55:53,410
No, not necessarily, because if we vote today, then we vote the next meeting.

3013
03:55:53,770 --> 03:55:55,550
You're not voting today.

3014
03:55:57,610 --> 03:56:01,950
I meant the read out today then we would vote next meeting.

3015
03:56:02,570 --> 03:56:05,370
Today is only receive and consider.

3016
03:56:05,810 --> 03:56:06,490
That's it.

3017
03:56:06,710 --> 03:56:06,730
Correct.

3018
03:56:13,140 --> 03:56:13,840
That's it.

3019
03:56:14,860 --> 03:56:16,420
What's the motion now?

3020
03:56:16,680 --> 03:56:17,380
Where are we at?

3021
03:56:17,480 --> 03:56:21,420
The substitute motion to move the staff recommended action.

3022
03:56:23,160 --> 03:56:23,960
No changes.

3023
03:56:24,980 --> 03:56:26,800
Move forward status quo as recommended.

3024
03:56:30,740 --> 03:56:35,560
It's a substitute motion. It gets heard first. Okay, we vote.

3025
03:56:39,140 --> 03:56:41,060
Subtitute motion first and second.

3026
03:56:50,580 --> 03:56:55,860
So we're hearing the substitute motion. Yes, which is to simply move forward status quo.

3027
03:56:56,040 --> 03:57:02,340
What staff recommended. Councilman, girl. Yes. Councilman, Kennedy. No.

3028
03:57:03,840 --> 03:57:08,460
Mayor, mayer per 10, 20. I'll let the finance commission look at it, so no.

3029
03:57:09,920 --> 03:57:10,900
Mayor McKin.

3030
03:57:11,620 --> 03:57:11,700
No.

3031
03:57:12,500 --> 03:57:13,400
Councilman Burns.

3032
03:57:15,100 --> 03:57:16,120
Councilwoman Vandermark.

3033
03:57:17,980 --> 03:57:18,680
Councilman Williams.

3034
03:57:21,120 --> 03:57:21,820
Motion fails.

3035
03:57:22,820 --> 03:57:23,720
Three, four.

3036
03:57:26,180 --> 03:57:27,740
So can we vote on the original motion?

3037
03:57:28,500 --> 03:57:29,060
Yes, please.

3038
03:57:33,110 --> 03:57:35,130
So could we get that motion again?

3039
03:57:35,350 --> 03:57:36,310
I don't think.

3040
03:57:36,310 --> 03:57:37,290
May you read it again?

3041
03:57:38,870 --> 03:57:41,810
But three, it's slowly and clearly so we can capture that in our.

3042
03:57:43,250 --> 03:57:46,890
I'd like to make a motion to table agenda item 26.

3043
03:57:48,330 --> 03:57:52,210
So council member, we don't need to table it, it's got to come back.

3044
03:57:52,810 --> 03:57:56,450
Okay, so reframe that for sense.

3045
03:57:56,950 --> 03:57:59,830
So I'd like to make a motion to have the final answer.

3046
03:58:00,690 --> 03:58:06,470
Okay, so I'd like to make a motion to ask the Finance Commission to create a subcommittee

3047
03:58:06,470 --> 03:58:11,010
to look at the financial impact of this MOU contract.

3048
03:58:12,270 --> 03:58:16,670
To the general fund and provide options to avoid bankruptcy,

3049
03:58:19,180 --> 03:58:20,220
I'd also like to direct

3050
03:58:20,220 --> 03:58:26,480
the city manager in the CFO in conjunction with the city treasurer to prepare a five

3051
03:58:26,480 --> 03:58:32,840
and ten-year financial analysis of the city's finances and bankruptcy risk in light

3052
03:58:32,840 --> 03:58:42,700
of the police MOU and other upcoming labor contracts, unfunded pension liabilities, and

3053
03:58:42,700 --> 03:58:51,360
reserve levels, then prepare a series of financial options available for the City Council to avoid

3054
03:58:51,360 --> 03:58:55,480
bankruptcy in the five and ten year financial timelines.

3055
03:58:59,130 --> 03:59:01,710
You will put a time limit on that and how much time finance means?

3056
03:59:01,710 --> 03:59:08,210
I'd like to make a substitute motion to make that exactly what Councilman Kennedy said two weeks.

3057
03:59:08,450 --> 03:59:08,870
Next meeting.

3058
03:59:09,210 --> 03:59:10,350
You could amend it, right?

3059
03:59:15,720 --> 03:59:17,620
We have two commissioners here.

3060
03:59:17,780 --> 03:59:21,280
We allowed to ask them if they can do that in two weeks.

3061
03:59:23,160 --> 03:59:25,260
I mean, you can make a motion to reconsider but

3062
03:59:25,260 --> 03:59:27,660
and we could just move along and get this thing done.

3063
03:59:28,180 --> 03:59:30,760
You can make a motion to reconsider since you were on the other end.

3064
03:59:30,940 --> 03:59:34,880
This is getting twisted and really messed up in my opinion.

3065
03:59:37,900 --> 03:59:42,020
If the very end, it's not fair to the POA.

3066
03:59:42,020 --> 03:59:46,220
You're right, it's not fair. You can make that motion to reconsider, but okay, two weeks.

3067
03:59:49,140 --> 03:59:50,060
I'll second that.

3068
03:59:52,860 --> 03:59:56,100
So, he just shown the time frame to two weeks, our next meeting.

3069
03:59:58,630 --> 03:59:59,890
To have the financial...

3070
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:02,120
Report, and the MOU come back?

3071
04:00:02,500 --> 04:00:07,740
Well, yeah, I mean, the subcommittee formed in me with you, you know, it's a bit of a mask.

3072
04:00:07,860 --> 04:00:11,280
You amended, you amended, don'ts a motion to add it two week time line to that.

3073
04:00:11,420 --> 04:00:15,720
You know, I'm hoping that our finance commissioners, you know, are up for the task.

3074
04:00:16,900 --> 04:00:17,300
We'll see.

3075
04:00:19,990 --> 04:00:20,370
Good.

3076
04:00:22,980 --> 04:00:30,020
Put it on the substitute motion is stated by Councilman Kennedy with the two week time frame for the next council meeting.

3077
04:00:30,020 --> 04:00:33,260
Councilman Grohl.

3078
04:00:33,400 --> 04:00:33,480
No.

3079
04:00:34,720 --> 04:00:35,460
Councilman Kennedy.

3080
04:00:37,040 --> 04:00:37,980
Mayor Pro Tem-20.

3081
04:00:38,160 --> 04:00:38,440
Yes.

3082
04:00:39,060 --> 04:00:39,580
Mayor McKin.

3083
04:00:39,660 --> 04:00:39,920
Yes.

3084
04:00:40,800 --> 04:00:41,520
Councilman Burns.

3085
04:00:42,760 --> 04:00:43,860
Councilwoman Vandermark.

3086
04:00:45,180 --> 04:00:46,020
Councilman Williams.

3087
04:00:47,520 --> 04:00:48,260
Motion passes.

3088
04:00:49,100 --> 04:00:49,620
Three.

3089
04:00:52,290 --> 04:00:52,590
All right.

3090
04:00:53,050 --> 04:00:53,390
Up next.

3091
04:00:53,530 --> 04:00:54,230
Item 27.

3092
04:00:54,830 --> 04:00:58,350
Approval of the Design and Language for the American 250 plaque at Pierre Plaza.

3093
04:00:59,250 --> 04:01:01,010
Please introduce the report.

3094
04:01:09,460 --> 04:01:14,760
Ashley Weissaki, our community and library services director will provide the report.

3095
04:01:15,260 --> 04:01:15,900
Thank you, Ashley.

3096
04:01:16,240 --> 04:01:18,400
Good evening, Mayor McKee and members of the City Council.

3097
04:01:18,640 --> 04:01:22,680
This evening, we will be discussing the America 250 plaque at Pier Plaza.

3098
04:01:23,880 --> 04:01:27,360
As far as background goes on July 21, 2021,

3099
04:01:27,360 --> 04:01:31,700
2026 meetings, City Council approved council member item 2668,

3100
04:01:32,300 --> 04:01:35,560
setting aside resolution number 2017-25,

3101
04:01:35,560 --> 04:01:42,520
and directed staff to create an engraving template memorializing the America 250 celebration

3102
04:01:42,520 --> 04:01:48,160
with a on one of the black granite panels located at the Peer Plaza Monument with the final draft

3103
04:01:48,160 --> 04:01:52,960
brought back tonight for consideration. Staff are also directed to work with the Historic Resources Board

3104
04:01:52,960 --> 04:01:55,340
in the Community and Library Services Commission.

3105
04:01:57,940 --> 04:02:00,960
So in anticipation of the Historic Resources Board meeting,

3106
04:02:00,960 --> 04:02:11,240
staff work directly with Mayor McKin, Council Member Burns and Kennedy, and the proposed 24 by 36 inch plaque, as you see on the screen was developed.

3107
04:02:12,120 --> 04:02:19,980
It components of all of the plaques include the American 250 logo, a placeholder for a commemoration date that will be determined at a later date.

3108
04:02:19,980 --> 04:02:25,760
And then the Verbage Huntington Beach celebrates America's 250th birthday as a patriotic city,

3109
04:02:25,840 --> 04:02:29,900
proudly honoring and thanking all those who served our great nation, who remind us that

3110
04:02:29,900 --> 04:02:35,660
freedom is not free. Additionally, Councilmember Names, the city manager's name, two cannons in the city

3111
04:02:35,660 --> 04:02:42,520
seal were included in the design. On Monday, August 10, the historic resources board held a special

3112
04:02:42,520 --> 04:02:49,920
meeting to discuss the plaque and they provided some additional edits. They moved the cannons in city seal

3113
04:02:49,920 --> 04:02:52,820
above the Council and City Manager's names.

3114
04:02:53,020 --> 04:02:57,880
They felt that the Council and City Manager are foundational to the community or to the city.

3115
04:02:58,060 --> 04:02:59,620
And so those names should be moved below.

3116
04:02:59,920 --> 04:03:07,340
And then by also moving the cannons and the city seal breaks up the text so that there's

3117
04:03:07,340 --> 04:03:09,480
some separation between each of the areas.

3118
04:03:10,060 --> 04:03:13,080
And additionally, they shortened the language of the quote.

3119
04:03:13,780 --> 04:03:16,780
And wanted to make sure that freedom is not free.

3120
04:03:16,900 --> 04:03:18,520
Was its own standalone headline.

3121
04:03:20,080 --> 04:03:27,180
Then on Wednesday, August 12, the Community and Library Services Commission reviewed the plaque and you can see here additional edits were made.

3122
04:03:27,620 --> 04:03:32,700
They requested that the text have some variation in italics and text style.

3123
04:03:32,920 --> 04:03:41,900
In addition to making the names at the bottom have some bullets that then there's additional separation within the text.

3124
04:03:41,900 --> 04:03:52,400
So, before you this evening is the recommended, the request from City Council to approve,

3125
04:03:52,940 --> 04:03:57,040
the design inscription for the American 250 Celebration plaque at the Pierre Plaza Memorial,

3126
04:03:57,640 --> 04:04:02,200
with the most recent iteration being what was recommended by the Community and Library Services Commission.

3127
04:04:02,580 --> 04:04:05,080
Ashley, can you put up the one that I sent in today?

3128
04:04:06,160 --> 04:04:06,400
Yes.

3129
04:04:07,840 --> 04:04:08,860
Julie can do that.

3130
04:04:08,860 --> 04:04:14,980
All right, so my my parks commissioner worked on this as well. I think that one looks way better

3131
04:04:15,480 --> 04:04:22,240
So obviously I would not to finalize it tonight, but I know if you could put on my side by side. That just space is cleaner

3132
04:04:22,760 --> 04:04:26,480
the HP logo is a little bit smaller. The cannons have a white better

3133
04:04:26,480 --> 04:04:30,140
Blast than the previous ones that look more cartonian my opinion

3134
04:04:30,660 --> 04:04:34,980
Don't know if the guys can sandblast that's that's a question for the plaque designers

3135
04:04:34,980 --> 04:04:39,000
But I just think if you can, I don't know if Katie guys put up, Julie maybe the other one like side by side a little bit.

3136
04:04:40,260 --> 04:04:40,980
There you go.

3137
04:04:42,380 --> 04:04:42,880
Nice job.

3138
04:04:43,220 --> 04:04:44,220
Yeah there you go.

3139
04:04:44,620 --> 04:04:45,600
So I just think that looks cleaner.

3140
04:04:46,340 --> 04:04:47,860
It's the names are stacked appropriately.

3141
04:04:49,080 --> 04:04:50,200
It's got good symmetry.

3142
04:04:51,260 --> 04:04:53,400
So we don't have to decide and I think freedom is not free.

3143
04:04:53,540 --> 04:04:55,260
You can slide up a little bit.

3144
04:04:55,500 --> 04:04:58,500
But if my colleagues agree, I think that one on the left looks way better.

3145
04:04:59,260 --> 04:04:59,980
And then the question is, you know.

3146
04:05:00,000 --> 04:05:03,320
Can they, actually, physically do that, is a question, right?

3147
04:05:03,620 --> 04:05:10,380
Yes. So my understanding from the sandblast company is that the fine detail that you'll see in

3148
04:05:10,380 --> 04:05:17,220
the cannon blast is not possible. They can try to get close. And then what also is not possible

3149
04:05:17,220 --> 04:05:24,920
is the shading that you see in the cannon blast. I did ask specifically about the marbling

3150
04:05:24,920 --> 04:05:29,760
is what I'll call it in the text and that is something that they can accomplish. So what

3151
04:05:29,760 --> 04:05:34,040
we do need to make sure is that the sizing of the font doesn't drop below an inch,

3152
04:05:34,180 --> 04:05:39,020
it can get a little bit lower than that, but again the detail between printing a brass

3153
04:05:39,020 --> 04:05:43,960
plaque versus sand blasting on granite are two different mediums and so there are some

3154
04:05:43,960 --> 04:05:44,480
limitations.

3155
04:05:44,840 --> 04:05:50,940
So we're not confident on the cannon blast themselves being doable and then what was

3156
04:05:50,940 --> 04:05:52,540
all she said that if the text is too small?

3157
04:05:52,980 --> 04:05:57,840
If the text drops below an inch, right now I know that some of the text was supposed to be

3158
04:05:58,440 --> 04:06:04,660
point eight inches, that is possible, but getting smaller than that starts to create some

3159
04:06:04,660 --> 04:06:05,220
complications.

3160
04:06:05,800 --> 04:06:09,680
Yeah, but if we can go back to them and all of my colleagues with the one on the left,

3161
04:06:09,680 --> 04:06:11,200
I think it's getting closer.

3162
04:06:12,100 --> 04:06:13,200
Again, this is like forever.

3163
04:06:13,500 --> 04:06:16,800
We were just down there at the period today, and I mean, there's still all these big panels

3164
04:06:16,800 --> 04:06:17,980
where this would really be located.

3165
04:06:18,260 --> 04:06:27,820
I saw the commemoration when that, I guess the plaque, Monima down there, was, it was a

3166
04:06:27,820 --> 04:06:32,060
ask them how close to this we can get to it and then you know love maybe next

3167
04:06:32,060 --> 04:06:35,740
meeting after to finalize it. But I just like I took all the input from

3168
04:06:35,740 --> 04:06:39,560
HRB and then community library services and kind of get to this point where I

3169
04:06:39,560 --> 04:06:44,720
think you know the name stack well and spacing and all that symmetry. What do you

3170
04:06:44,720 --> 04:06:50,460
guys think? I like the one on the list better. So the names on the one on the

3171
04:06:50,460 --> 04:06:56,340
right are hard to read. Yeah, my name is spelled correctly. Oh, that's the one on the left.

3172
04:06:56,340 --> 04:06:57,200
It's all a matter to know.

3173
04:06:57,200 --> 04:06:57,920
Super important.

3174
04:06:59,200 --> 04:07:00,560
I like the one on the left.

3175
04:07:00,760 --> 04:07:01,020
Okay.

3176
04:07:01,640 --> 04:07:02,840
Do you guys get with that?

3177
04:07:03,020 --> 04:07:03,860
I think I would have this.

3178
04:07:03,960 --> 04:07:07,740
This is the first opportunity we actually finally get to have some input on this.

3179
04:07:08,020 --> 04:07:11,960
So, I mean, I would like to see, I mean, I don't feel like we need to have our names

3180
04:07:11,960 --> 04:07:12,360
on it.

3181
04:07:12,460 --> 04:07:13,480
It would save a lot of space.

3182
04:07:13,780 --> 04:07:17,740
And I'd rather put some of the mental honor recipients that come from money to beach on

3183
04:07:17,740 --> 04:07:21,620
that plaque because those are guys that actually paid for freedom with their blood, because

3184
04:07:21,620 --> 04:07:23,120
like John Baca or Chris Carr.

3185
04:07:23,120 --> 04:07:29,180
So I think their names deserve to be on that plaque far more and I'd be more than happy to remove

3186
04:07:30,080 --> 04:07:37,540
My name to make some space. I don't think our names really need to be on there. We're hardly we're a speck in the dust of this 250 years of history

3187
04:07:40,780 --> 04:07:41,740
comments questions

3188
04:07:41,740 --> 04:07:43,560
I would say I

3189
04:07:45,040 --> 04:07:53,500
Love the veterans. We have a car park. We have a bulk apart. We've got both parks commemorating those war heroes no doubt about it

3190
04:07:54,800 --> 04:08:01,060
You know, I think that, you know, it's okay if our council name is on there because we're

3191
04:08:01,060 --> 04:08:07,480
part of the city as well and so, you know, most most commemorative, everything down on that

3192
04:08:07,480 --> 04:08:11,320
monument had, like, the council at that time, is that correct?

3193
04:08:12,220 --> 04:08:14,900
I mean, so that's kind of uniform with what it had.

3194
04:08:15,340 --> 04:08:19,080
You know, like I said, we have a car park, we have a Bocopark, we raise the money for

3195
04:08:19,080 --> 04:08:23,680
the flagpole at the Bocopark, which is an incredible car park, they're totally put money

3196
04:08:23,680 --> 04:08:31,540
do it. So, you know, we've got the memorial out front of City Hall talking about a lot of

3197
04:08:31,540 --> 04:08:38,360
the veterans. I think we do a lot highlighting the magnificent effort of our veterans without

3198
04:08:38,360 --> 04:08:43,740
it out. Any other questions, comments? I'm good donating my name to a veteran.

3199
04:08:47,730 --> 04:08:53,250
Ashley, anybody else? Yes, you want to maybe we'll keep working on it and then we'll bring it back

3200
04:09:05,040 --> 04:09:11,880
So, up next is item 28, ordinances for an introduction, so I approve the introduction of ordinance number 4350.

3201
04:09:12,460 --> 04:09:32,060
I'm adding that into Beach Municipal Code chapter 10, section 10.04, 10.5, 10.5, 10.5, 10.6, 10.6, 10.4, 10.6, 10.8, relating to vehicles and traffic in orange, number 4351, chapter 13.08, section 13.08, 0.005 and 13.0, relating to beach regulations.

3202
04:09:32,060 --> 04:09:37,720
staff please introduce the report. Good evening Council members and Honorable Mayor. My name

3203
04:09:37,720 --> 04:09:41,920
is Monica Kindelario and I am the parking operations supervisor for the parking and camping

3204
04:09:41,920 --> 04:09:47,660
division. Today I will be presenting to propose ordinance amendments ordinance 4350 and

3205
04:09:47,660 --> 04:09:48,840
ordinance 4351.

3206
04:09:51,320 --> 04:09:55,920
Ordnance 4350 updates portions of chapter 10 related to the city's parking

3207
04:09:55,920 --> 04:09:59,980
meter parking zone, as parking technology has changed some of the...

3208
04:10:00,000 --> 04:10:08,540
Resisting requirements have become outdated. The proposed changes would give the parking and camping division more flexibility to use current parking technology and operate more efficiently.

3209
04:10:09,660 --> 04:10:21,660
Ordnance 4351 of the age chapter 13.08 which regulates activities on the beach and adjacent beach areas. The purpose is to clarify definitions and permit requirements for commercial and organized activities.

3210
04:10:22,760 --> 04:10:27,700
This will help make the city's requirement clearer and more consistent for staff businesses and organizations.

3211
04:10:28,940 --> 04:10:33,520
Moving on to the financial impact, there are no funds required for either ordinance for

3212
04:10:33,520 --> 04:10:38,020
ordinance 4350 that changes our administrative and nature. They provide staff with the

3213
04:10:38,020 --> 04:10:43,080
flexibility to implement a modern parking payment system and improve efficiency as needed.

3214
04:10:43,940 --> 04:10:48,860
For ordinance 4351, the changes primarily clarify existing regulations and administrative

3215
04:10:48,860 --> 04:10:54,500
procedures for permitting activities on city beach areas. I'll start with the specific changes

3216
04:10:54,500 --> 04:10:56,480
proposed under 4350.

3217
04:10:57,860 --> 04:11:00,940
The proposed changes to Chapter 10 would remove the requirement

3218
04:11:00,940 --> 04:11:04,580
that every parking meter space has its own individual parking

3219
04:11:04,580 --> 04:11:06,780
meter in the on-street meter zone.

3220
04:11:07,400 --> 04:11:11,980
It would also eliminate as a required payment method, which

3221
04:11:11,980 --> 04:11:14,540
reflects the way parking payments technology has evolved.

3222
04:11:15,600 --> 04:11:17,480
It would also allow the parking and camping division

3223
04:11:17,480 --> 04:11:19,540
to use different types of parking technology

3224
04:11:19,540 --> 04:11:21,480
including multi-space space stations.

3225
04:11:24,050 --> 04:11:28,230
And finally, the language would be updated to provide the division with greater operational

3226
04:11:28,230 --> 04:11:33,870
flexibility. These updates would also ensure consistency throughout chapter 10 and address

3227
04:11:33,870 --> 04:11:40,290
some existing inconsistencies within the code. Essentially, ordinance 4350 updates that

3228
04:11:40,290 --> 04:11:43,770
codes are parking regulations can keep up with the modern parking technology.

3229
04:11:45,610 --> 04:11:51,050
Moving to ordinance 4351, chapter 13.08 regulates activities on the beach and adjacent

3230
04:11:51,050 --> 04:11:56,830
beach areas. These regulations help protect public access, visitor safety, public resources,

3231
04:11:57,110 --> 04:12:01,530
and the orderly use of city facilities. One proposed changes to expand the definition of

3232
04:12:01,530 --> 04:12:06,370
facilities. This makes it clear that city owned amenities such as bonfire rings, buildings,

3233
04:12:06,710 --> 04:12:11,950
parking lots, picnic tables, barbecue, courts, and lifeguard towers are included. This ordinance

3234
04:12:11,950 --> 04:12:17,290
would also clarify when permits or rate an authorization are required by the director of

3235
04:12:17,290 --> 04:12:23,030
community and library services. It includes commercial services, equipment rentals,

3236
04:12:23,410 --> 04:12:27,270
promotional activities, and organized recreation activities occurring on the beach,

3237
04:12:27,930 --> 04:12:35,930
adjacent beach areas and within the water activities zone. In short, ordinance 4351 is

3238
04:12:35,930 --> 04:12:40,570
about making the rules clear what facilities are covered and what activities require authorization.

3239
04:12:42,070 --> 04:12:45,430
Recommended action, so staff recommends that city council approve for introduction,

3240
04:12:45,430 --> 04:12:59,290
Ordinance 4350 amending the specifies sections of top shop chapter 10 staff also recommends that city council approve for introduction introduction Ordinance 4351 amending the specified sections of chopper 13

3241
04:13:00,630 --> 04:13:03,590
That's the end of my presentation. Do you guys have any questions?

3242
04:13:04,910 --> 04:13:05,750
Any questions?

3243
04:13:08,690 --> 04:13:10,970
No good job. Thank you.

3244
04:13:12,410 --> 04:13:13,030
Second

3245
04:13:14,500 --> 04:13:16,760
Councilman Grohl? Yes.

3246
04:13:16,880 --> 04:13:17,740
Hon. Kennedy?

3247
04:13:17,840 --> 04:13:18,260
Yeah.

3248
04:13:18,460 --> 04:13:19,360
Mayor Protein, Tony?

3249
04:13:19,580 --> 04:13:19,900
Yes.

3250
04:13:20,140 --> 04:13:21,380
Mayor McKean? Yes.

3251
04:13:21,940 --> 04:13:22,660
Councilman Burns?

3252
04:13:22,760 --> 04:13:22,980
Aye.

3253
04:13:23,380 --> 04:13:24,920
Councilman Vandermark? Yes.

3254
04:13:25,180 --> 04:13:26,380
Councilman Williams? Yes.

3255
04:13:26,960 --> 04:13:29,200
Item passes seven zero.

3256
04:13:30,320 --> 04:13:32,680
And I will read the ordinance-tiles.

3257
04:13:33,680 --> 04:13:35,760
Ordnance number four three five zero.

3258
04:13:36,120 --> 04:13:38,900
And ordinance of the city council of the city of Huntington Beach.

3259
04:13:38,900 --> 04:13:55,900
I'm ending sections 10.04, 10.50, 10.56, 10.60, 10.64, and 10.68 of the title, 10 of the Huntington Beach Municipal Code, relating to vehicles, and traffic.

3260
04:13:55,900 --> 04:14:01,840
Ordinance number 4351, an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Huntington Beach,

3261
04:14:02,180 --> 04:14:16,000
amending sections 13.08.005, and 13.08.080 of chapter 13.08 of the Huntington Beach Municipal Code

3262
04:14:16,000 --> 04:14:17,800
relating to beach regulations.

3263
04:14:19,600 --> 04:14:19,940
Thank you.

3264
04:14:20,920 --> 04:14:22,220
Motion is second to adjourn.

3265
04:14:22,700 --> 04:14:22,880
Motion.

3266
04:14:24,000 --> 04:14:24,420
All right.

3267
04:14:24,420 --> 04:14:30,620
The next regularly scheduled meeting in the Hinten Beach City Council Public Finance and Authority is Tuesday, September 1st,

3268
04:14:31,040 --> 04:14:35,480
26, and the Civic Center Council Chamber is 2,000 Main Street Hinten Beach California. Good night, everybody.