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[0:00] 3,000 to 4,000 to 5,000 students voted.
[1:27] The Council of Public Finance and Authority to Order, Madam Clerk may have the roll call, please.
[1:33] Councilman Grohl, here. Councilman Kennedy, here. Mayor Pro Temtoyne, here. Mayor McKean, here.
[1:40] Councilman Burns, Councilwoman Vander Marker, Councilman Williams, all present.
[1:46] All right, Madam Clerk, do we have any supplemental communications?
[1:48] Yes, we have one supplemental communication on item number 10.
[1:53] One email received regarding conference with legal counsel,
[1:57] existing litigation concerning grants part versus city of Huntington Beach.
[2:02] Okay, do we have any sign-up to speak in person or on Zoom for a close session?
[2:08] We do not.
[2:09] All right.
[2:12] So including close session,
[2:13] we have conference related negotiators, government code section 549-57.6.
[2:19] Agency designated representatives, Travis Hopkins City Manager,
[2:22] Also in attendance, Mr. Sir, Assistant City Manager, Mike Bigley Audit, City Attorney in
[2:27] Zaxi, Act in Chief Financial Officer, Employer Organization, The Employer Organization,
[2:31] The United States Police Officer, the Association, the Police Management Association,
[2:35] Hunting to Beach Firefighters Association, and Fire Management Association.
[2:41] And then we have conference with the Rope Property negotiators, Government Code Section 5495-6.8.
[2:46] Property APN Numbers 1-10-151-1010-151-11.
[2:55] Agency to goshaders, Travis Hopkins City Manager,
[2:58] Mr. Services and City Manager,
[3:00] actually I saw a Director of Community and Library Services, Chris Cole.
[3:03] To be a Library Services Manager, William Curl,
[3:05] Real Estate Project Manager,
[3:07] negotiating parties, Gary Brime and Termin,
[3:09] not President,
[3:10] Under Negotiations, Price and Terms of Payment,
[3:13] Council of Emotion and a Second to Resess the Close Session.
[3:15] Motion. Yeah, I'm Mayor. Yeah, I just want to point out we won't we don't have a close
[3:20] session item for the Labor on P.O.A. Okay, and Mayor, if I could jump into Southwest
[3:26] Voter Education Project, we're pulling that off the agenda as well. Thank you.
[3:31] All second. All right, motion a second to recess the close session.
[5:37] We're meeting the regular meeting of the City Council of Public Finance and Authority, Madam Clerk may have the roll call, please.
[5:46] Councilman Grohl, Kennedy, Mayor Pro Temtoyney, Mayor McKeean, Councilman Burns, Councilwoman
[5:54] Vendor Marker, Councilman Williams, all present.
[5:59] It's a nice invocation. We'll be hinted to each police and fire chaplain, Roger Wing.
[6:09] Please join me in prayer as we begin this evening's meeting.
[6:13] Heavenly Father, you tell us in your Word that if any of you lacks wisdom, let a mask of God, who gives to all
[6:20] liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him.
[6:25] So we begin tonight's meeting.
[6:27] We want to start by praying for that wisdom right now.
[6:31] We come before you this evening Lord recognizing the responsibility that's been entrusted to this city council.
[6:37] As these Council members deliberate and make decisions concerning important issues facing
[6:43] our city, we ask for your guidance, or just give them wisdom to understand the issues
[6:51] clearly, discernment to recognize what's right and beneficial to our community, and the
[6:57] courage to make difficult decisions when necessary.
[7:01] Father, we also pray for unity, help this Council to work together with mutual respect, even
[7:07] when there are differences of opinion.
[7:09] Remind each member that their ultimate responsibility
[7:12] is to serve the people of this community faithfully
[7:15] and honorably.
[7:17] And above all, we ask for peace.
[7:19] But calm and thoughtful discussion
[7:20] prevail over division, frustration, or personal agendas.
[7:26] If summer winds down, we pause to thank you
[7:28] for your goodness and protection over our community.
[7:32] Thank you for a safe and blessed summer.
[7:34] for the many families and vendors visitors who have enjoyed our beaches, businesses, events and
[7:40] our city's hospitality.
[7:43] Thank you for the men and women who have worked tirelessly throughout these busy months
[7:47] to keep our community safe and welcoming.
[7:50] Lord, we recognize that every safe journey, every protected family and every day of blessing
[7:56] is ultimately a gift from you.
[7:58] As we move toward the fall season, we ask that you continue to watch over our city.
[8:04] Give wisdom to our elected leaders, strengthen safety to our first responders and city employees,
[8:10] and peace and prosperity to the people we're privileged to serve.
[8:15] May we never take your blessings for granted, but always remember to give you the thanks and glory that you deserve.
[8:22] May every decision it's made here tonight be guided by wisdom, shaped by integrity,
[8:27] and directed toward the well-being of our city, and it's in the name Jesus Christ, our
[8:32] precious Lord and Savior, we pray these things. Amen.
[8:38] Thank you, Roger.
[8:40] Tonight at the Pledge of Allegiance, we'll be left by John Vaskas of American Legion
[8:44] Post 133. John a listed in the United States Air Force in 2003 at the recent inspired by
[8:51] the events of 9-11. He served in computer systems operations, performing cybersecurity roles
[8:56] during two years at Ramstein Air Force Base in Germany.
[9:00] A statesite tour and an overseas deployment
[9:02] in support of the global war on terrorism.
[9:05] He was medically retired in 2011 and is the recipient
[9:08] of several awards including the Air Force Commodation,
[9:12] the Air Force Achievement and the Global War
[9:14] in Terrorism Expeditionary and Service Metals.
[9:17] After his service, John Moodaniton Beach
[9:19] worked for Boeing Space and Intelligence Systems
[9:21] as a system security engineer
[9:23] to curing classified satellite ground stations later consulting for a cybersecurity software company and eventually found in his own local cybersecurity consulting business.
[9:33] He's an active member of the American Legion, Hind to Beach Post 133,
[9:37] serving as a board member, the California Boys State Chairman, and as part of the honor guard and color guard.
[9:42] John's wife, Heather, are celebrating 19 years of marriage next week, and have two children who attend Reena High School, go Vikings, a Maysive Youth Middle School.
[9:50] Thank you for your service, John.
[9:57] Please remember for cover.
[10:01] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
[10:15] Thank you.
[10:19] Thank you, John.
[10:22] All right, close session report. City Attorney, do we have anything to report from close session?
[10:26] Thank you, Mary. Yes, two things tonight. The first one is in the city council.
[10:31] unanimously authorized city defile petition for receivership at 1 9 9 2 1
[10:39] carmenia lane.
[10:46] Okay,
[10:51] the second to council unanimously authorized the city to
[10:56] file an appeal of the anti the anti-slap motion and the denial of the city's
[11:02] cross complaint in the people of state of California versus city of Huntington Beach.
[11:06] And that's it. Thank you. Council member comments when anyone
[11:10] I'd like to make a comment.
[11:12] I will.
[11:15] I want to say yesterday, the Huntington Club, well, it actually was all week in, it was
[11:22] dink it up for the troops, tee it up for the two troops, that they had tennis, but they
[11:27] raised a lot of money for the troops and the mark and Leslie Mays led the fundraiser
[11:34] and they did an incredibly awesome job at it, and I just want to give them a hat.
[11:40] up for that. Thank you. Anybody else, sir? Andrew. Yeah, I just want to take a quick moment.
[11:49] A couple weeks ago, actually, it was probably over a month ago. We were having a conversation
[11:53] and we were talking about the homeless population and I used the term gypsy in reference to a
[11:58] lot of the homeless individuals, not necessarily recognizing and many people might not know this,
[12:03] that it's actually a derogatory term in regards to the Romani people. So I had a resident
[12:07] reach out very kind, very objective, and just kind of talking to me about it.
[12:11] We had a good conversation about the history.
[12:13] I didn't even know that it was an ethnic group that stressed all the way back centuries
[12:16] or originated in northern India, my great and throughout Europe and beyond.
[12:21] And they've also faced generation of discrimination, persecution, et cetera.
[12:25] So, you know, I just wanted to make a public statement about that.
[12:28] In addition to the fact that I think it's really important that we constantly try and learn,
[12:31] and that's the beauty of being a council member is when you talk to residents, you learn things
[12:34] otherwise didn't know about. So, just wanted to publicly make note of that and also thank
[12:39] the resident who reached out to me and talked to me about that. Second, it's school season and
[12:44] you're going to start seeing the e-biker's all over the place if you haven't already done so
[12:47] in the summertime. The Huntington Beach Police Department isn't just the premier department
[12:51] when it comes to safety and promotion of good safety tricks and tips, etc., when it comes to e-bikes
[12:56] and making sure that this city is really kind of the north star in regards to that. But also
[13:00] parents, grandparents, neighbors, friends. It's incumbent upon us to make sure that kids are
[13:05] wearing the right helmets, face helmets are always important. But most importantly, if you see
[13:09] kids riding around with their helmets not strapped, I mean, let them know one fall that takes care of it
[13:14] right there. I mean, you know, we've seen some horrible stories in the news. And it also I would
[13:18] encourage parents and families out there to take a look at the Huntington Beach Police Department
[13:21] social media. They're posting a lot about e-bike safety courses, classes, you name it. And there's
[13:26] obviously a lot of work that we've been doing on council, especially through the ad hoc committee
[13:30] in regards to e-bike ordinances and e-bikes safety.
[13:33] So, a little public service announcement there.
[13:37] Anybody else?
[13:38] Yeah, just along those lines, too, with kids out there,
[13:41] in the streets, there was a press release recently about a man
[13:44] that was hit while going across the street
[13:48] in his wheelchair fatal accident.
[13:51] And I think what really hits me there
[13:53] is just this realization that sometimes we forget
[13:55] we're all living out, you know, our dash in life.
[13:58] And you never know, you know, when you're going outside that door, if that's the last time you go out the door,
[14:03] and it kind of gets you thinking about, you know, what are the things that really matter the most important things in life?
[14:08] And there's definitely time and place to argue about things, but you know, we could do it in such a way where we're not, you know, argumentative,
[14:15] and I was even thinking about, you know, Roger Wings prior there, just that prayer for unity.
[14:20] And so I do think that the things that, you know, we unite on our far greater than the differences that we have.
[14:27] I would love nothing more than to see just a lot of love really restore to the community and even up here on the council
[14:33] I love all of you and I mean it just it's really hitting me the things that really matter the most that man did not know
[14:39] That that was his last day's family members didn't know that was it and you got to kind of think sometimes
[14:43] You know if things left off the way that they are like right now with some people
[14:48] Is that really the way that you would have liked to have left it or were you've gone back and wish you could have done things differently and so it's a big take away
[14:55] for me. So I just wanted to share that.
[14:59] Thank you everybody else.
[15:01] I'll just say since the last meeting, we had an amazing week of the U.S. Open of Surfing.
[15:07] It started off with the relocation of the International Surf Museum to the Main Street Library on that Friday, which was really special moment.
[15:15] If you have not been yet to see it, it's incredible, very well curated.
[15:20] I think the library for being great roommates, something that the galleries are just really impressive.
[15:25] Mel Craig, I read it, and I refurbished the silver surfer.
[15:29] There's actually three silver surfers in the world.
[15:32] That was a promotion piece for a movie, so if you walk into the right,
[15:34] it's really impressive how big that silver surfer is.
[15:38] To the left is a great gift shop, so it's very well done.
[15:41] I'd recommend visiting that just up the fourth block, short walk up.
[15:45] Then of course, then we had the surfers walk of fame,
[15:48] walk of fame ceremony, daughter of some inductees, which is a great day.
[15:52] And then the next day was the Hall of Fame at HSS, which is just always a special moment.
[15:58] Those two back to back and just remind us that we're a service to the USA.
[16:02] You know, that's a soul of Huntington Beach and all the community gets behind it.
[16:06] And then it's the US Open and Serpent itself.
[16:08] It was incredible.
[16:08] If you guys remember the weather was really tropical.
[16:12] The WSL judges said it was some of the best ways they've ever seen.
[16:15] The weather was off the charts.
[16:16] It was the 50th anniversary of the World Surfing League.
[16:19] and also the 50th anniversary of P.T. Townen's first World Surfing Lake Championship.
[16:25] So just a fun event and then Councilor McKinney and I got to go on stage for the finals
[16:29] and give the trophy and seeing the young surfers and actually the finals for the men's, the
[16:34] local HP contest that was defeated in the very last wave and dramatic fashion.
[16:40] So it was just a great event, really, you know, it's one of our premier events every year.
[16:44] I think we did, and when it's really proud, I really appreciate public safety, police and
[16:50] fire, and marine safety, all the staff, and all you mirror everybody that was down there
[16:53] to make it go off that occasion.
[16:55] Report SIR is one of the most successful as well.
[16:58] All the sales for every day set up, set new records, I think, Saturday alone, there's over
[17:02] $100,000 in sales just on March 10th, so I really appreciate it, and it's really proud to be
[17:08] a part of that.
[17:10] All right, going on to the Adolfo with Petta the Month, tonight we have Denise Woodside,
[17:14] from O.C. Animal Care, with the double pets of the month, we're going to mix it up with
[17:18] some felines. So Denise, please tell us more about Wyatt Earp and Buffalo Bill.
[17:35] Good evening. My name is Denise, and I am joined by our volunteer Michael, and we have
[17:42] today Wyatt Earp and Buffalo Bill. We wanted to shed light on the fact that we have many
[17:49] wonderful animals available for adoption at O.C. Animal Care. Usually we bring dogs, but
[17:56] We have brought cats with us today.
[17:59] These are brothers that came into us on July 1st and they went into foster care.
[18:06] After some time in foster care, then they became available for adoption.
[18:12] And they are still looking for their forever home.
[18:15] So they are available at O.C. Animal Care, or located in Tustin.
[18:19] And you can start viewing our animals whether it be this duo or our other pets online.
[18:26] at O.C.Pet Info.com under Adaptable Animals.
[18:32] Thank you.
[18:33] Thank you so much.
[18:36] Thank you.
[18:36] Yeah, you probably want to.
[18:37] I know Grace is a big one.
[18:38] I hope you find somebody who can take them both.
[18:41] A beautiful, beautiful brothers.
[18:44] Thank you.
[19:03] Thank you, Denise.
[19:06] Four months old.
[19:08] Thank you.
[19:11] All right, now we're moving on to the business highlight portion of the meeting.
[19:14] and so we want to continue to celebrate the businesses that invest in
[19:18] housing beach and strengthen our local economy so we'll welcome these new
[19:22] businesses sharing up the internet upcoming state of service city
[19:25] partnership with on to beach chamber commerce and highlight three local
[19:29] businesses through a minute with the mayor's series. So businesses continue to
[19:33] choose housing beach as their home bring new jobs services dining,
[19:37] shopping and entertainment options to our community. This week we're
[19:40] featuring some of our newest businesses that are now open or coming soon
[19:43] throughout Heinz and Beach. So we just really want to encourage everyone to shop local and support these businesses and discover what's new in our community.
[19:51] So now open is a two-bell-up Pacific City, Blackbird Books and Coffee at 7971 Talbert, the Hawaiian Kitchen at 7351.
[20:00] 1 1 1, Avenue, cross motion view, grace, grace, 6502 Bolsa, Pasta Viva, 3303, S.E.V. Laser at 1 9 0 7 1 Beach Boulevard,
[20:11] Taco Smodger at 1 6 8 2 1, Algonquin, S. S. Leven Kia, a fine to beach on Beach Boulevard.
[20:17] Sol, he's got a new business, the waves, market and spirits at 1 8 5 8 2 Beach Boulevard.
[20:23] So please go check them out. And this year we're going to mix it up with the state of the city. So we're
[20:28] to unveil our newly adapted and formatted state of
[20:31] search city.
[20:32] Present an partnership with the honey to beach chamber
[20:34] commerce.
[20:35] This year's event will be at Pieroplaaza.
[20:37] I know there's some questions before, but attending and being able to attend
[20:40] so this year will be free at Pieroplaaza and feature a built-in
[20:44] HBXBO, which showcases the businesses, non-profits, and community partners that
[20:48] help make kind to beach such a great place to live, work, and visit.
[20:52] So from five to six, we'll have the state of the search city program,
[20:55] including a year and review presentation from the chamber.
[20:57] I'll give my state of the city address and in a bridge fire side chat moderated by the Orange County Business Council featuring several prominent local business voices.
[21:07] So following the main event the Chamberlain of Atticative reception at Sandy's Beachack.
[21:12] So please come on out.
[21:14] Continue with the meeting with the mayor.
[21:15] We're highlighting three local businesses that are making an impact on Huntington Beach.
[21:18] So first up is Pro Beauty Center, which is a family of business across from marine high school.
[21:23] that has been helping the community look and feel it's best for more than 26 years.
[21:27] In this episode, former mayor Burns joins me in manager Alexander Quant to learn more about
[21:31] how properties, property centers become a trusted destination for professional hair care, skincare,
[21:36] cosmetics, K-buty products, and you need gifts, so be sure to check them out at
[21:40] Endanger Avenue, like I said, across from Marina.
[21:44] Page B, a mayor Casey McKin, a special guest, previous mayor Pat Burns,
[21:48] today's episode admitted with the mayors, takes us down to across from Marina High School,
[21:52] Bring the old manager to Pro Beauty. Let's go meet Alex in the honor.
[22:04] Alex tells about Pro Beauty.
[22:05] Yeah, so Pro Beauty is a family owned beauty store that's been here since 1999.
[22:12] We currently sell professional hair care, skincare, accessories,
[22:17] Korean beauty products, and we also have professionals that do salons services and
[22:25] a fictional as well.
[22:27] Does it like if someone came into the first time
[22:28] what do you guys really specialize or focus on?
[22:30] Yeah, we specialize in personal touch.
[22:33] So whatever you come in looking for,
[22:35] we try to find what your needs are,
[22:37] and offer the right product, and the right advice.
[22:41] That's incredible.
[22:43] You guys have been here for 27 years,
[22:46] and it looks like you guys are doing great,
[22:48] and how long do you plan on being here?
[22:51] Well, my parents started it,
[22:53] and I came on board to carry the torch forward.
[22:57] So I hope to continue serving the community
[23:00] and keep the business going as long as I can.
[23:04] Well, thanks.
[23:05] Thank you so much.
[23:10] That's another local gym right here in Nice Beach.
[23:12] It's from the shop local.
[23:14] I keep searching for it.
[23:15] See you at the next stop.
[23:17] What's up, Paige?
[23:18] All right, next up.
[23:20] We're going to a Luxor garage door service.
[23:23] So they're locally on garage door service
[23:25] company and in this episode owner Roy Bartowell and Paul Clethero share more about Luxor's
[23:32] commitment to quality residential and commercial garage door installation repair and maintenance.
[23:39] Up by the TV, this episode of Minute with the Mayor takes us down to Luxor garage door service
[23:43] right up for Gothard and Ellis. Let's go meet the team.
[23:52] Roy tells about Luxor garage door service.
[23:54] Yeah Luxor garage door service has been a business here in Hangover about 15 years.
[23:58] It's high in garage doors, we've been installing all the way down the lake and a nice garage door to tune up if the garage door is just a little squeaky or no easy
[24:05] So you guys actually do like repair so you know not just full like replacement if you actually come out and repair your current garage door
[24:11] Yeah, yeah, we can repair the door whatever the issue might be or service it
[24:15] And why do you guys choose not need to be stroking up the business?
[24:18] I've lived here for 30 years, so I love the community
[24:20] Yeah, it's great being here
[24:22] I love to get back to the people that have my name or status
[24:24] That's great.
[24:25] And what would you guys say
[24:26] such as you apart from other like
[24:27] restaurant or service companies?
[24:29] We're not like a mobile service,
[24:30] like most would be operating out of their house.
[24:32] We're an actual real brick and mortar
[24:34] with a showroom.
[24:35] We got a fleet of vehicles here on this law
[24:38] and we're trusting and reliable that way.
[24:41] And then what did lastly,
[24:41] what would you guys say just love
[24:42] with all serve and hydration?
[24:44] And just the community alone is a great city
[24:46] to work in, the people, the homes.
[24:50] Everything about it, right?
[24:51] Yeah, that's great.
[24:53] This is our favorite city
[24:54] We're happy and proud for you guys.
[25:01] We're just up in the door to another local gym right here at 9th of each. Remember to support local and keep
[25:06] service city thriving. See you at the next stop.
[25:14] Whoo!
[25:14] And then finally, meet Champagne's kitchen so they took over the eye hop on Main Street. It went to
[25:20] family owned, family owned, Orange County restaurant, bringing more than 35 years of hospitality
[25:26] and scratch-made food on each and beach. So in this episode, Mayor Protem, Twining,
[25:31] councilwoman, Vanna Mark and I joined Champagne's kitchen owner Matt Toby to learn more about
[25:35] restaurant and it's a new location on Main Street.
[25:39] HB, a Mayor Casey McKin, before Mayor Gracie Vandermark, a Mayor
[25:43] Protem Bush Twine, and today's episode of Mid-At-the-Mayors takes us down
[25:46] the Champaign's Kitchen right at Made in Olive. Let's go meet the
[25:49] owner man.
[25:56] Tell us about Champaign's Kitchen. Thanks for coming in yeah Champaign's
[25:59] Kitchen is a three-meal restaurant with breakfast lunch and dinner. I think
[26:02] everyone is known as a breakfast spot but we have a really great dinner
[26:06] program as well. We do full service at nights and we have a full bar and a
[26:10] cafe, so we kind of want to be something for everyone, you know, mom, dad, everybody can
[26:14] come and grab something.
[26:15] And then LA, you guys open the door.
[26:16] I don't have to tell 10 o'clock every night, which I can go open it eight every morning.
[26:21] Breakfast still two every day.
[26:22] The full server starts at four, so we take reservations, we've got servers, we've got servers,
[26:26] we've got more, awesome cocktail program, and great happy hour.
[26:29] I was just going to ask you about a happy hour, what day is one time for that?
[26:33] So there's always something going on on a champagne, we've got a happy hour from 2 to 6
[26:37] Monday from Friday. We've got our beautiful pizzas for 15 dollars. We've got drink specials.
[26:43] Mondays is half off our entire wine program. So half off bottles, no cork, it's VM Mondays.
[26:49] We've got 20% off for locals on Tuesdays. Tuesdays is such an amazing day to be on Main Street,
[26:54] downtown with the Street Fair. So we want our locals to come and check it out, support it,
[26:59] and come and get 20% off here. And then steak night and Wednesdays and kids eat free on Thursdays.
[27:05] Nice.
[27:06] The
[27:10] local gym, right here in the 90's.
[27:12] It's written at a dying local and keeps their city
[27:14] thriving.
[27:15] See you at the next up.
[27:16] Cheers, cheers.
[27:18] You.
[27:22] So thank you to all the businesses that continue
[27:25] to invest in 90's and beach and contribute
[27:27] to our local economy.
[27:28] Like I said, we really appreciate your partnership,
[27:30] your investment, and your commitment to our community.
[27:34] Next we have the committee of end announcements.
[27:36] Madam Clerk, please call for the committee of end announcements.
[27:42] The city council will now receive announcements
[27:43] for community events only, community announcements are accepted in person.
[27:48] Please queue in the designated area along the stairs and use either podiums, state your
[27:52] name and organization for the record.
[27:54] Each organization is a lot of two minutes for its announcements.
[28:13] Please use both podiums.
[28:32] Okay, it is better to debate a question without settling in it than to settle a question
[28:38] without debating it.
[28:40] Service City decides is a debate at our HP Senior Center in Central Park on Wednesday, September 16th from 6.30 to 8.30 pm in the large park view room.
[28:53] Protect HP is sponsoring the City Council candidate debate for 130,000 plus HP voters.
[29:03] Well, it all debates, but be as I am, not to victory, or an unjust interest.
[29:11] That's the moment.
[29:14] So take that.
[29:16] I hear the Protect HP is running this debate, and that they get to pick the candidate.
[29:21] And the questions, what?
[29:22] Time's up.
[29:23] Your information is wrong.
[29:25] Protect HP has only secured the venue and invited former HP Mares Eric Peterson and Jill Hardy to
[29:32] to be the debate moderators, as well as former HP City Clerk's Robin Eston as well, and
[29:37] her predecessor, Joan Flynn, to keep time and prompt candidates.
[29:43] This former City Hall team will decide and set all rules, the protocol, pace, and questions
[29:50] for the HP City Council candidates debate on stage.
[29:55] I've heard that 300 seats of the Senior Center are already full.
[30:00] But for HB people to sign up for the wait list, you can go to this QR code, or you can go to protect HB social media, or write to HB citizens for good governance at gmail.org.
[30:13] I think there needs to be definitely more people included. HB needs to hear our candidates.
[30:19] You are right, the HB debate on September 16, 630 to 830 PM will be live streamed.
[30:28] All candidates that qualified with our current city clerk have been invited, and
[30:33] invite these ease when over-even.
[30:37] Thank you.
[30:48] Is that it, Madam Clerk?
[30:49] Oh, I took the thing.
[30:54] State your name, please.
[30:55] Jason Schredz, city treasurer, good evening, council members.
[30:58] I want to share a quick update regarding the three-week financial literacy and workforce development
[31:02] program we just completed at Golden Musk College.
[31:05] We ended up having a 30-in-a-visual sign-up for the program from across Huntington Beach,
[31:09] Westminster, Fountain Valley, and Garden Grove.
[31:12] Students learned about basic financial ideas to help them manage their money better.
[31:15] Moreover, 20 panelists shared their insights about their careers in technology, hospitality,
[31:20] healthcare, manufacturing, non-profit, and government.
[31:23] We handed out over $2,000 in financial awards and provided scholarships for additional
[31:27] educational opportunities focused on building career skills.
[31:32] Seeing the smile on participants faces in the tears in their eyes that people were able
[31:36] were actually willing to invest in them and their futures was truly inspiring.
[31:41] None of this would have been remotely possible without the amazing partnership of Golden
[31:44] West College, Youth Investor Corps, the United Way of Orange County, Junior achievement,
[31:50] working wardrobes, the Huntington Beach Chamber of Commerce, and the cities of Garden
[31:53] Grove, Found Valley, Westminster, and Supervisor Janet Wins Office, as well as all the panelists
[31:59] who took time out of their busy schedules to share words with the participants, including
[32:04] our very own chief McCoy.
[32:06] Thank you all so much, and I cannot wait to work together with all of them again.
[32:11] This is coming here as we build out more cross city programming to positively influence the
[32:14] lives of our residents.
[32:17] Thank you.
[32:21] Moving to public comments, before we begin public comments, I would like to announce that
[32:25] soon to new state legislation, Senate Bill 707, public comics will be accepted both in-person
[32:32] or remotely via Zoom.
[32:33] The City Clerk will not read profane of scene or otherwise inappropriate Zoom display
[32:37] names or identifiers.
[32:39] Restructions for providing comments on Zoom can be found on the agenda cover page and on
[32:43] the City Council City Clerk web page.
[32:46] The City Clerk will provide instructions for participating in public comment, Madam Clerk,
[32:50] how many speakers do we have?
[32:51] Before we go to public speakers, let me read you the supplemental communications.
[32:57] Thank you.
[32:58] On the city manager's report, number 18, sports complex audit, finance, commission presentation
[33:04] and sports complex, landfill, gas, monitoring, extraction systems, analysis, receive from
[33:10] Travis Hopkins, city manager pertaining to the proposed improvements of the Huntington Beach
[33:15] Sports Complex, one email received pertaining to the sports complex.
[33:19] On the consent calendar, item number 22, one email received regarding the execution of
[33:25] agreement with the Riverside County Sheriff's Office and partner law enforcement agencies
[33:30] to participate in the fiscal year 2025 operations stone garden grant.
[33:36] Administrative items, item number 26, 2025, 26, Huntington Beach Financial Review, Public
[33:43] the expenditures and MOU focus presentation received from Council and Don Kennedy pertaining to the
[33:50] introduction of the proposed member and of understanding with Huntington Beach Police Officers
[33:55] Association. Item number 27, one email received regarding the approval of the design and the
[34:02] language for the American 250 celebration plaque at Pier Plaza and updated plaque rendering
[34:08] received from Mayor Casey McKeeam. And now we will move on to public speakers. We have 27
[34:19] speakers in person and one speaker on Zoom. We'll begin with the Zoom speaker. Okay.
[34:31] Go.
[34:35] It is your turn to speak.
[34:39] Please unmute yourself and begin speaking now.
[34:43] On a good evening Mayor McKin, Pet Goodman, I want to speak about agenda item 26, and June, this council approved a budget that exposed 31 million structural deficit.
[34:58] About half was a dream.
[35:00] The rest by eliminating unfilled positions without laying off employees and by reducing transfers to the general liability and retiree, supplemental funds.
[35:12] The remaining approximately 15 million was covered by growing down general fund reserve from 96 million to 80 million.
[35:20] And this isn't just a one-year problem, city's projection shows structural deficits continuing over the next five years.
[35:29] We cannot continue increasing expenditures without identifying sustainable recurring revenues to pay for them.
[35:37] That brings me to item 26.
[35:40] The police officers and MOU are police officers, they're fair and competitive compensation.
[35:46] So, to all of our city employees, but I'm concerned that an 8% increase in base salaries
[35:53] is not sustainable given our financial outlook.
[35:57] Where will the recurring revenue come from?
[36:00] Honey Beach is facing almost no home building, declining sales tax revenue and an aging
[36:09] population.
[36:10] I don't see those factors producing the revenue growth needed to support continually increasing
[36:16] person now costs. I have to question the timing. This MOU comes just a little more than two months
[36:25] before an election. Police and fire unions have considerable influence in our local elections
[36:30] and offer highly sought after endorsements. For that reason, I recommend that the council
[36:36] postpone this item until after the election. Give the next council the opportunity to consider
[36:42] the significant long-term financial commitment without any appearance of political influence.
[36:48] If you approve it tonight, I urge every council member to be transparent with voters about
[36:54] the long-term costs and how you intend to fund it.
[36:58] On a positive note, I do appreciate the presentation on the Sports Complex, the Finance Commission
[37:03] staff have made the thoughtful recommendations to improve the facility and increase its revenue.
[37:09] I encourage voters to watch the September 16th City Council candidate debate at 630 p.m. moderated by
[37:17] former mayor's Jill Hardy and Eric Peterson. I expect the budget and police ammo you will be important topics.
[37:25] Thank you. Have a good meeting.
[37:35] The City Council will now receive public comments for any topic, including items on the open session agenda.
[37:41] If you are here to provide in person comments for open session, your number will be called.
[37:45] Once your number is called, Q and the designated area along the stairs.
[37:49] You see the podium and state your name if you would like it reflected in the minutes.
[37:54] Numbers 1 through 10, please come to the front.
[37:58] Oh, my apologies.
[37:59] Number 40 through 50, please come to the front, Q at the stairs and please use both podiums.
[38:30] Good evening, City Council members.
[38:32] My name is Mary Mattis, and I'm here today requesting that the city would please consider
[38:37] adding a pedestrian safety measure at the four-way intersection of 11-street Lake Street
[38:43] and Memphis Avenue, such as a flashing stop sign or quashlock signal.
[38:48] This is especially important for pedestrians crossing from Memphis Street to Lake Park
[38:53] and it is the city's responsibility to help ensure their safety.
[38:58] This crosswalk is used every day by students, families, and community members walking
[39:03] school going to the park and traveling around the neighborhood. I personally
[39:08] use this crosswalk on my way to Dwyer Middle School as well as when I turn on
[39:13] to Lake Street so I can ride my bike to junior lifeguards in the summer. Although
[39:18] there's already a four-way stop sign at this intersection, many drivers do not
[39:22] always come to a complete stop nor notice pedestrian stride across. This creates
[39:28] a seriously dangerous situation especially in the mornings when kids are walking
[39:32] school or heading to activities. A flashing feature would help get driver's attention, remind
[39:38] them to stop and make this crossing safer for everyone. A small improvement like this could
[39:43] prevent a serious accident and protect children, families, and all pedestrians who use this area.
[39:50] I am asking the city to please consider installing this very much important safety measure.
[39:55] Making our streets safer is something that benefits the entire Honeyton Beach community.
[39:59] Thank you.
[40:00] Thank you for your time and consideration on the significant matter.
[40:03] What was the intersection again?
[40:06] 11th Street Lake Street and Memphis Avenue.
[40:10] Could you guys fill out a blue card? We'll follow up with you.
[40:13] And, well done.
[40:14] Thank you.
[40:22] Mayor McKinney City Council members. My name is Frank Lagrosso and I am the current chairman of the city of
[40:36] as an end business owner in the city of Huntington Beach.
[40:40] The City Council has requested the Finance Commission's input on numerous occasions regarding
[40:45] the financial matters of the city.
[40:48] As a matter of fact, the Commission has a presentation tonight regarding our findings and
[40:52] recommendations regarding one of the city's largest assets, the Sports Complex.
[40:58] I think you'll find tonight's presentation professional and the recommendations beneficial.
[41:03] This is what the Finance Commission does, and not so modestly, I believe we do it well.
[41:09] But the Finance Commission cannot provide the City Council with our input unless you ask
[41:14] us to.
[41:16] That is why I am asking this City Council to request that the same fact-finding by the Finance
[41:22] Commission in regards to the POA MOU.
[41:25] The Finance Commission will be able to take a sober look at the MOU and supporting information
[41:30] and provide the City Council with recommendations just as beneficial as the ones you'll hear tonight and
[41:37] devoid of any political considerations.
[41:40] I'm asking for you to let us do the job for which you appointed us.
[41:44] I thank you for your time.
[41:47] Thank you.
[41:49] Next speaker, please.
[41:55] Good evening.
[41:56] Mayor, members of the City Council.
[41:58] Thank you for your time today.
[42:00] My name is Reed Parker, and I'm currently a detective here at Huntington Beach Police Department.
[42:04] Making the Honey Beach Police Department competitive in today's job markets and the clear
[42:08] straightforward message that our city values its officers and is committed to supporting
[42:13] them.
[42:15] The reality of police recruiting today is more challenging than ever, law enforcement agencies
[42:19] nationwide are competing for the limited pool of qualified candidates and without competitive
[42:24] compensation and benefits, departments simply fall behind.
[42:29] When I first started with HBPD, our staffing levels were over 230.
[42:34] Today at numbers fallen below 200.
[42:37] Three years ago, my partner up in the detective bureau was promoted,
[42:41] and he has yet not been replaced.
[42:43] His case flow did not disappear.
[42:46] We just simply absorbed it.
[42:49] Officers have real choices today.
[42:50] They can move to surrounding agencies offering better pay,
[42:53] superior benefit packages, or better working conditions.
[42:56] others choose and have chosen to leave this profession entirely.
[43:02] If we fail to maintain competitive compensation, we will continue losing experienced, highly trained officers to retirement,
[43:09] or to neighboring departments that are willing to invest in them.
[43:14] The successor contract addresses that problem directly.
[43:17] It positions HPPD to attract top tier recruits, while retaining the veteran officers we can't afford to lose.
[43:23] It shows that CD leadership understands today's competitive landscape and is proactive about closing the pay gap.
[43:31] When a department is properly staffed with experience officers, the benefits to our community are immediate and two-fold.
[43:38] One, stronger community connections.
[43:41] Officers who aren't burned out from constant over time are sharper, safer, and more effective.
[43:47] They have the time to build real trust with residents and practice proactive relationship
[43:53] focused policing, to proactive public safety.
[43:58] Without full staffing, a department is forced to be purely reactive, running from called
[44:03] a call instead of preventing crime before it happens.
[44:07] A fully staff fairly compensated police department creates safer neighborhoods, enhances
[44:12] is the quality of life for all hunting to each residents, and ensures our officers can take pride
[44:18] in the work rather than just surviving through their shifts.
[44:23] The agreement positions HPPD as a top tier agency in the region and demonstrates to our officers
[44:29] that this council truly values their dedication, their families, and their future.
[44:35] I respectfully ask that you support this contract, and I thank you.
[44:38] Have a good evening.
[44:43] Thank you.
[44:45] Next speaker, please.
[44:46] Good evening, Council.
[44:47] My name is Nicholas.
[44:48] I'm a police officer here.
[44:50] I'm in Eisenbeach.
[44:51] I'm currently assigned a patrol and I just finished two years as a school resource officer.
[44:55] The successor contract being discussed tonight is crucial to the future of HPPD.
[45:00] Especially right now when policing police recruiting has become incredibly competitive. The landscape has shifted dramatically.
[45:07] Departments across the state are fighting tooth and nail for a shrinking pool of qualified candidates.
[45:13] And if you're not offering competitive pay and benefits, you're going to be left behind.
[45:18] Officers have options now. They are constantly seeing advertisements from competitor departments through social media, offering better pay, a better benefits package,
[45:27] or they can leave policing altogether and do something else entirely.
[45:31] Without keeping HPPD competitive, we are at risk of long experienced officers, we are
[45:37] a seismic.
[45:38] We are at risk of losing experienced officers to retirement and to other agencies.
[45:43] This contract changes that.
[45:45] It makes this competitive for new recruits and keeps seasoned veterans with decades of experience
[45:49] from walking out of the door and retiring.
[45:52] It tells officers that the city gets it.
[45:54] We understand the challenge we're willing to invest in being competitive for what's out there.
[46:00] When we do that, we hold onto the experience and leadership we need, and we start attracting quality candidates
[46:06] who otherwise might leave to another department.
[46:09] This isn't just about filling empty spots, it's about positioning HPPD to win in today's market
[46:14] and showing officers that their careers, their families, and their futures matter to city leadership.
[46:19] Thank you very much.
[46:21] Thank
[46:24] you.
[46:25] Thank you.
[46:25] Next speaker, please.
[46:27] Good evening.
[46:28] My name is Taylor, and I'm also detective with Huntington Beach Police Department.
[46:32] Before coming to Huntington Beach, I worked for the San Diego Police Department.
[46:36] I made the decision to lateral Huntington Beach because I believed in this department
[46:39] in the community and the opportunity to build my career here.
[46:44] One of the reasons I left San Diego was because I have experienced first hand
[46:49] what chronic, under staffing, and being less competitive, and compensation can do to police department.
[46:55] When a department is understaffed, the officers who remain don't simply have less work to do.
[46:59] They have more calls, more overtime, more cases, more responsibility, and less time to recover.
[47:06] Eventually, that becomes a recruitment and we're in a retention problem.
[47:10] Experience officers leave, which puts even greater burden on the officers who stay.
[47:15] Then, the department has a recruitment, they have to recruit and train replacements while
[47:20] continuing to operate short staff.
[47:23] That cycle is difficult to break once it gets started.
[47:26] I see some of those same warning signs here in Huntington Beach that I saw in San Diego.
[47:31] Our department is already under staffed and we're competing with other agencies in Orange County
[47:35] for the exact same pool of applicants.
[47:38] This successor contract acknowledges the reality we're facing in demonstrates that our city
[47:42] as a fundamental investment in the success of our community.
[47:48] By properly supporting our police department,
[47:51] we're not simply investing in our officers,
[47:53] we're investing in the safety, security, and prosperity
[47:55] that every resident of Huntington Beach deserves.
[47:58] Thank you, guys.
[48:04] Thank you, next speaker, please.
[48:06] Good evening, I'm Officer Bernard Ackens.
[48:10] Well, good evening, Mayor and members of the City Council.
[48:12] I've been out at Akans, I'm out of the Honeybees Police Department for me all my
[48:16] police department 18 years ago.
[48:19] During my time here, I've had the opportunity to see this department go through both
[48:23] challenging times as some very positive changes.
[48:27] There was periods of roughly seven years when I was concerned about the direction we were
[48:31] heading.
[48:32] Officers were frustrated, morale was affected, and some officers, including myself, entertained
[48:37] the idea of leaving for agencies offering better compensation and benefits.
[48:44] But many of us stay, I personally told myself to see it through because I believe things
[48:47] would get better.
[48:49] And they did.
[48:50] We saw changes in leadership and employees began to feel that their concerns were being heard
[48:56] and eventually the city approved a strong contract that demonstrated its commitment to
[49:00] its police department that made a difference not only in compensation but in morale and retention.
[49:05] And today I work as the personnel background investigator for the UNGB Police Department.
[49:11] Excuse me, where I'm directly involved in recruiting and evaluating candidates.
[49:16] Through that assignment, I have the opportunity to network with numerous law enforcement agencies,
[49:20] both locally and outside the immediate area.
[49:23] One thing I've learned is that recruiting quality police officer has become extremely competitive.
[49:27] Some agencies have fewer recruitment challenges because the consistently,
[49:30] maintain a tractor salary and benefit packages. Quality candidates have options and they pay attention
[49:37] to compensation, benefits, organizational culture, and where they believe they can build a career.
[49:42] Even in the best circumstances of attracting top quality candidates in an uphill battle, but when
[49:47] you throw in the fact that work outpaste on paying benefits compared to neighboring compartments,
[49:52] it becomes more difficult. We're constantly posting positions and interviewing, yet we still can't
[49:57] in the field gaps fast enough.
[50:00] Good news is the Huntington Beach has something extremely valuable, a great reputation, and a great work environment.
[50:06] I've had the other agencies recommend candidates to Huntington Beach because they recognize that we have here, we recognize what we have here.
[50:15] We should be proud of that, but we also need to protect it.
[50:18] We need officers who are sharked, dedicated to committed to serving this community, not just bodies and uniforms.
[50:23] That's what the competitive contract makes possible.
[50:25] It's less, it's less, it, it, it, it, it, it, it lets us attract the best talent, retain the
[50:31] experience officers.
[50:32] We have, in our, in our risk of losing to retirement.
[50:35] The successor contract is a step in the right direction, good officers are, and the foundation
[50:39] of everything.
[50:41] There, the ones responding to calls, protecting our schools, neighborhoods, and building
[50:44] the trust that keeps our community safe, and we're forced to hire from a smaller
[50:48] pool of candidates, or a set of less qualified applicants just to fill positions where a compromise
[50:53] in that foundation.
[50:54] My hope is that we continue to approach with future contracts so a hundred years becomes competitive with surrounding ages
[50:59] We don't want to find ourselves continue to play catch up all losing our ability to attract the type of candidates
[51:04] We want to present in a city and serving the members of our community after working in recruitment
[51:09] Okay, thank you. All right
[51:12] Next speaker, please
[51:13] Hi,
[51:22] I'm off to Jay's post also with Huntington Beach PD. I also lateral to hear I was a supervisor at a previous agency
[51:26] But I wanted to come forward to work for this great city as you heard this evening
[51:30] this contract is a step in the right direction.
[51:35] The direction for the community, for public safety, the well-being of the Huntington Beach City employees,
[51:41] any investment in the future of Huntington Beach.
[51:43] A competitive contract attracts and retains quality officers
[51:48] that we desperately need.
[51:49] The key is quality officers.
[51:51] Quality officers make for the cornerstone of a successful public safety program.
[51:56] Right now, police recruiting is incredibly competitive.
[51:58] state wide, and without competitive pan benefits, as you've heard, hunting to beach falls behind.
[52:04] Officers are faced with these real-life choices.
[52:06] Go somewhere else, leave policing altogether.
[52:09] Without this contract, we run the risk of losing the experience police officers to early retirement
[52:12] or to other agencies.
[52:14] And when veteran officers walk out the door, we lose that invaluable institutional knowledge,
[52:19] training and experience that took years to build.
[52:22] That's irreplaceable.
[52:24] The more we delay in this market, the gap widens, we do not dictate this labor market.
[52:29] It dictates us.
[52:31] Neighboring departments are already offering more competitive packages and the gaps growing
[52:34] larger by the day.
[52:37] The longer we wait, the harder it becomes to attract quality candidates, the more difficult
[52:41] it is to retain the experience.
[52:43] Those officers who know the community of honey to beach, who are experts in the current
[52:47] public safety issues here in honey to beach, and who have developed the relationships with
[52:51] businesses and residents of Huntington Beach. It isn't about catching up with one or two competitors.
[52:58] It's about making sure that we can compete to attract quality candidates that reduce liability for the city.
[53:05] With a workforce that's already stretched thin and burning out on overtime,
[53:09] losing institutional knowledge doesn't serve Huntington Beach very well.
[53:12] It can lead to slower response times, less proactive policing,
[53:16] We hear community relationships and it fosters a department that is always in a reactive mode and playing catch-up.
[53:25] We heard we are currently understaffed the Public Policy Institute of California has found in recent studies that the crime reducing benefits
[53:33] of hiring just one additional qualified officer exceeds the average budgetary cost and results in at minimum three fewer violent crimes
[53:43] and 4.2 fewer property crimes per year.
[53:46] That's just one additional qualified officer.
[53:50] Our community deserves officers who have the time,
[53:52] energy and experience to build trust
[53:53] and prevent crime before it happens.
[53:56] This contract is the investment that keeps us in the market.
[53:59] It protects public safety and ensures
[54:01] Huntington Beach remains the amazing destination city
[54:04] where residents feel secure and businesses
[54:07] want to invest.
[54:09] Thank you for your time.
[54:15] Thank you, next speaker, please.
[54:21] Please excuse me during my public comment while I might sound emotional and patriotic.
[54:28] In the last several weeks, we have heard from Fauci.
[54:32] We know now that this man told many lives during the shutdown,
[54:38] and people even died from his false information.
[54:40] This city says it supports small businesses and candidates are even running on that campaign.
[54:49] However, there has been one man and business in the entire country who stood his
[54:56] ground on the constitutional law that he deserved.
[55:00] And never shut down from the mask or shot shots. He never once closed his restaurant. That man is Tony Roman of Basilicos.
[55:12] Newsom, the governor, okay, has tried to destroy this business by having OSHA clean out his business account.
[55:22] This man has a wife and a young boy. And he depends on this business to keep that family.
[55:29] I suggest the City Council really support small businesses that should be a co-plative in Tony
[55:38] Roman's federal, ninth district court lawsuit against Governor Newsom, if they really support
[55:46] business.
[55:47] And other businesses who support him too, and follow suit with him.
[55:51] What's in its governor, Newsome, who sat in a fancy French restaurant in Napa Valley with no
[55:59] mask on during the height of the pandemic,
[56:04] with no mask whipping it up, having fun, they never
[56:08] shut down restaurant down, but they did the Tony Romans.
[56:12] This is a tragedy of a small business where government has extended its arm where it's an
[56:19] overreach that we've never seen before.
[56:21] This should not happen.
[56:24] This city should get behind this man and this business and every other small business.
[56:30] There are the lifeline of this country.
[56:34] They deserve better, they pay taxes, and we should support them in every which way we can
[56:41] possibly do that.
[56:43] So I suggest this city council find a way to help this man and his business and join him
[56:48] this lawsuit against Newsom for what he's done to so many people in businesses in this state.
[56:54] It's a shame.
[56:56] Thank you.
[56:57] Thank you.
[57:00] Next speaker, please.
[57:01] Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
[57:02] My name is Mr. Emory Ants.
[57:04] I'm speaking tonight in support of IM27, the Mayor and Councilman Burns and Kennedy's
[57:09] plaque to honor America's semi-consentennial.
[57:12] This plaque honors a unique moment, not just the America's history, but in high-intambition
[57:17] history.
[57:18] And we'll make permanent the remembrance of America's semiconductor and the reminder that freedom is not free.
[57:25] I urge the Council to continue to celebrate America.
[57:29] Once again, I urge a yes vote on I am 27. Thank you.
[57:36] Thank you, next speaker, please.
[57:37] Andy Einhorn Huntington Beach.
[57:40] Butch twining tried to apologize for his actions on July 19th and the city's parking lot.
[57:47] But instead, it was an attempt to justify what he did.
[57:54] It certainly didn't answer the questions you all should be asking.
[57:59] The white wall on the Yorktown did not have any signs posting information such as
[58:07] no posting on private property.
[58:10] Second, there was nothing pro-Nazi about those signs. Nothing. One sign showed us
[58:19] Wastika struck through with a red X. The universal symbol against Nazism, not for it.
[58:29] Third, what butch saw, as a swastika, instead was a symbolized 47, a number, not a symbol of hate.
[58:44] Let's be clear, 47 is not a Nazi symbol.
[58:50] It's an anti-Trump satire accusing his administration of fascism.
[58:56] President Trump once bragged on an access Hollywood tape about grabbing women's genitals.
[59:07] So what that said, we can certainly protest with symbols on a wall.
[59:14] Fourth, butch was driving through the city parking lot, one handed, cell phone and the other.
[59:23] that is illegal. A better approach parked the car, inquiring, inquire, who is leading the
[59:33] group than raises concerns directly. However, let us remember only the property owner
[59:42] has jurisdiction over the wall, not butch. Finally, my vaping comment, butch called my
[59:51] mark funny. It was not. I had a flashback of our incoming mayor.
[1:00:00] Court on a camera vaping in this very room,
[1:00:06] a direct violation of California health law. Laws apply to everyone, even him.
[1:00:16] This is the person who wants to run our city. Thank you.
[1:00:26] Next group of speakers?
[1:00:30] Speaker's 60, 50 through 60, please queue at the area along the stairs and use both podiums.
[1:00:38] Thank you.
[1:00:45] Good evening to you.
[1:00:46] My name is Eric Richmond Massey.
[1:00:48] I live on the north side of Huntington Beach at 1-6-1-9-1 Valentine Lane Huntington Beach.
[1:00:53] 9-2-6-4-7.
[1:00:56] I'm here to thank you for the announcement you made to the state of California.
[1:01:00] And the County of Orange and the City of Huntington Beach that I'm going to recipient by the City of Huntington Beach in a home to live in.
[1:01:08] I'm also here to ask you if you be willing to give me a document acknowledging that.
[1:01:18] Yes, no? You're not allowed to speak.
[1:01:25] Okay, so what do you tell me? I need a lawyer to follow through with this. That's the way you're saying.
[1:01:34] So you speak for the mayor. Is that right, Mr. Burns?
[1:01:39] Sir, if you like, you can fill it a blue card over there at the front and we can contact you.
[1:01:42] Thank you, Casey. I appreciate that. I want to make an announcement to you some of your city employees that we're let go. Sorry for that for whatever reason.
[1:01:50] And also remember amongst you claiming that I'm a homosexual and bisexual.
[1:01:55] Now I've got an agency that looks after me 24 hours a day of everything I do and they also surf the internet.
[1:02:01] So I'd like for you from here. For me this is the third time I've done this in about 11 years.
[1:02:05] I am not a homosexual and I'm not bisexual and I'm not bisexual.
[1:02:11] You know, they get what they deserve and plus state of California to come after you for making announcements about me.
[1:02:18] I'm talking about your employees that have been let go and then wanted to remember if you're a membership here.
[1:02:25] You guys have a good evening.
[1:02:29] Next speaker, please.
[1:02:32] Greetings, Tim Gettison the House.
[1:02:35] Too bad we don't get six minutes per public comments to make up for the dubiously canceled meeting of August 4th.
[1:02:42] Every council meeting before November 3rd is important, not only for the council to conduct business for the city, but for the public to be able to respond to issues under consideration.
[1:02:56] Like tonight's agenda item number 26706, approval of design and language for the America 250
[1:03:04] plaque at Pier Plaza is the only public feedback aired citywide supposed to be shared in public
[1:03:13] comments.
[1:03:15] I realize that the council is known for shooting its mouths off, but are the cannons firing
[1:03:21] at either side of the city, see a logo appropriate for our city, are they revolutionary work
[1:03:29] cannons or just period clip art? Have mass quantities of citizens weighed in on the public
[1:03:37] design and language already? Just asking. Tonight I am starting a 60 second profile of various
[1:03:46] of the candidates for City Council in November, which I call Maritory as Minutes.
[1:03:52] My first Maritory as Minutes focuses on Surf City for candidate Brenda Glim.
[1:03:58] Brenda is much more than a pissed off grandma and actress.
[1:04:04] She's a long, she has a long and distinguished career in corporate project management, mostly
[1:04:10] in local aerospace and has great physical accounting and administrative skills.
[1:04:19] She knows how to read a budget and whip it into shape a quality which seems in short
[1:04:26] supply on the current city council.
[1:04:30] But before beyond that, Brenda Glym is very good at listening and trying to see both sides
[1:04:37] Again, in pitifully short supply with this council, she believes in treating residents with dignity and respect and in building consensus in her decision making.
[1:04:50] This business owner is capable and transparent and will represent the entire community fairly honestly and effectively.
[1:04:58] As I mentioned, more other.
[1:05:04] I hope the city council is batting down the hatches for the state audits. We may be facing for all of the schemes this council has hatched over the past five years.
[1:05:19] Well, the audit results may not be, may not come in in time for the November election, I think most of us know what our incumbent leaders are facing.
[1:05:31] There are plenty of questionable decisions.
[1:05:35] Thank you. Next speaker, please.
[1:05:41] Good evening. The current city counseling comments ran on the slogan of running the city more like a business.
[1:05:46] So how are they doing so far?
[1:05:48] They made a 15-year agreement with a promoter of the Pacific Air Show that has cost
[1:05:52] a city almost $6 million in cash, about $420,000 in lost parking revenue every year,
[1:05:59] $500,000 for a sequestudity, and a cost of city provided services like police,
[1:06:04] fire, marine safety, public works, and utilities every year.
[1:06:07] All for one day cancellation that was not the city's fault.
[1:06:11] What business would do that?
[1:06:13] Did I mention that after claiming this was a great settlement for the city,
[1:06:17] They had to be sued to actually reveal the agreement to the public and that the show's promoter was one of their political backers
[1:06:24] They called a special election for measures A and B at a cost of the city of about 1.2 million dollars when they could have simply put both measures on an upcoming election for about $200,000
[1:06:35] What business would do that?
[1:06:38] They've engaged in repeated lawsuits against the state constantly using the discredited theory that Huntington Beach can ignore state laws of general applicability
[1:06:45] because it's a charter city.
[1:06:47] They've repeatedly appealed those losses,
[1:06:49] and lost the appeals again and again.
[1:06:51] What business would do that?
[1:06:54] They've lost lawsuits to individuals over freedom to read
[1:06:56] and fair representation at a cost of over a million dollars to the city,
[1:07:00] and they have doubled down after their losses.
[1:07:03] What business would do that?
[1:07:05] In short, they have learned the city
[1:07:07] into a 15 to 20 million dollar deficit
[1:07:09] through using city resources to promote their personal political agendas.
[1:07:12] If you want to promote your political agenda, do it with your own damn money, not ours.
[1:07:19] And now, on today's agenda, they're advancing a proposal to increase police pay by about
[1:07:23] 17% over the next three years, an incremental $15 million over these three years, and an
[1:07:29] ongoing increase of about $10 million annually.
[1:07:32] Nothing against the police, but at a time when the city is turning a 15 to 20 million dollar deficit,
[1:07:39] And what business would do that?
[1:07:43] One hell bent on bankruptcy.
[1:07:49] Speaker, please.
[1:07:51] Good evening, Mayor and council members.
[1:07:53] My name is Ryan Wynn and I'm a performance coach and use sports coach here in Honning
[1:07:58] the Beach and I represent sports complex and the future project of over as Academy.
[1:08:03] I want to be a friend about that.
[1:08:05] I want to set the scene right now with just the populations that I work with on my day
[1:08:09] function in operations. Starting first with the seniors, literally this morning I had a 83-year-old,
[1:08:16] essentially PR had a great experience with a sled push exercise and I want to bring light to the
[1:08:23] recent post with the chair volleyball summer series that the senior center had and just really pushing
[1:08:29] for further activation of the senior center and the need for more health and wellness events and
[1:08:35] and opportunities for our seniors.
[1:08:38] Second population would be myself, the Millennials,
[1:08:42] in the 20s and 30s, that are looking for opportunities
[1:08:44] and in community to grow with recently just signed
[1:08:48] up for a run club event in Newport Beach this Saturday,
[1:08:52] excited for that.
[1:08:53] But more importantly, most importantly,
[1:08:54] our youth and our inner kids.
[1:08:56] So I just want to put out a statistic in our report here
[1:08:59] that was published a couple of years ago in 2024
[1:09:01] that fewer than one and four American kids get 60 minutes of required and daily activity
[1:09:08] that they need to stay in shape and that is probably trending in the wrong direction
[1:09:15] there.
[1:09:17] So really sending steam there and now the next topic to provide perspective on what's going on
[1:09:22] with their sports complex and perspective on the turf topic.
[1:09:27] You know, as we know, the national grass fields, you know, need improvement and it's an ongoing
[1:09:34] discussion that, you know, the city's wondering what's going on with.
[1:09:38] Really, we understand the workload that happens day to day, month to month, year to year and
[1:09:43] really, a lot of people don't understand that these fields need rest, right?
[1:09:47] These fields need to be maintained and taken care of, you know, with football coming up,
[1:09:52] Big football coach myself
[1:09:54] You know FNL and girls like football. I was a tournament this past weekend and just seeing
[1:10:00] The growth of these sports in our community. I want to really have people understand that the turn around of these events from Friday to Saturday, Sunday, Saturday to Sunday, Sunday and so forth, it's just causing more damage on our field, so whether it's the rest, the rainouts and these practices and events getting canceled. It's a really losing opportunity for us to capitalize more activations, that's what it's complex. I don't want to know, I'm running out of time here.
[1:10:28] but really losing the territorial battle
[1:10:31] with the anterior sports empire being built in a couple months.
[1:10:35] I'll be just to announce that the veterans stadium
[1:10:37] is gonna be demolished to create another sports complex.
[1:10:40] And of course we all know
[1:10:41] our vines doing phenomenal job with great parking.
[1:10:44] We're losing a lot of opportunities for there.
[1:10:46] And I hope you guys really see this thing through
[1:10:49] and understand what we're trying to build there.
[1:10:50] Thank you.
[1:10:51] So good to see you.
[1:10:52] Thank you.
[1:10:54] Next speaker, please.
[1:10:55] Good evening Mayor and council members. I'm Ross Price. When you're newly appointed, community and library services commissioners, I wanted to share a quick update from August 12 community library service commission meeting, along with a couple items moving forward on tonight's agenda.
[1:11:10] It was another productive commission meeting. One of the highlights was definitely the recognition of the local Eagle Scouts and their projects.
[1:11:17] I mean, being a Eagle Scout mother myself found this just amazing.
[1:11:22] It was wonderful to see these young men recognize the tremendous amount of work, leadership,
[1:11:26] dedication, and service that goes into earning the rank of Eagle Scout and the projects
[1:11:31] that give back to our community.
[1:11:32] Commissioner Steve Barnes and Community and Library Services Manager Chris Cole presented
[1:11:37] the recognition to the Eagle Scout.
[1:11:39] It was especially meaningful because Steve isn't Eagle Scout himself, so he understands
[1:11:43] First hand, the commitment, the perseverance, and everything that's required in having this achievement and honor.
[1:11:50] We also approve the previous Commission meetings, which was awesome to be a part of that.
[1:11:55] A quick note and reminder, I just want to remind everybody in our community that we have great locations that can be rented out, that the city manages,
[1:12:03] that can go back into the funds of our city, and we have a local discounts.
[1:12:07] Another important discussion involved in America, 250th plaque.
[1:12:10] at the Peer Memorial, we are continuing to work through the new draft, including its design
[1:12:15] language, as we move forward to something appropriately that commemorates the 250th anniversary
[1:12:19] of the United States of America, and how well an ACB represents it.
[1:12:24] The work now connects directly with tonight's City Council agenda item 27 regarding approval
[1:12:29] for the design and the language of the 250th peer plaque.
[1:12:33] As a commissioner, it has been very rewarding to be a part of the process and see it move forward
[1:12:37] discussion, review the commission level to consideration by the City Council. I believe it
[1:12:42] is important that we take time to get something of this historical significance right.
[1:12:47] The plaque will be part of the Honeyton Beach long after America's 250th is gone and the
[1:12:52] language and the design needs to represent the nation's history while creating something
[1:12:56] amazing for future generations. There is another item on tonight's agenda that connects directly
[1:13:02] to the work of the community library service. That's item number 16. I asked the council
[1:13:07] authorize an application for Orange County Transportation Authority to grant purchases accessible
[1:13:12] of hands for the surf city seniors on the go senior transportation program programs like
[1:13:17] this matter maintaining mobility and independence for our older adults and residents with
[1:13:22] disabilities help keep people connected to appointments programs services and their community.
[1:13:27] I'm glad to see the City Council continue to explore outside funding opportunities that can
[1:13:32] strengthen these services for our seniors leveraging grant dollars instead of money from our
[1:13:37] Our commission meeting also included updates on the Grow HB program to which we met Kelly who will be assisting
[1:13:43] Charlene with the new program our library master plan liaison group and ongoing work surrounding the American 250.
[1:13:51] There is much that happens behind the scenes with the commission and I'm honored to be a part of it.
[1:13:55] And tonight I look forward to seeing some.
[1:14:02] Thank you.
[1:14:03] Let's revisit all of the ways we have seen crazy taxpayer spending and bad decisions when
[1:14:08] the people sitting right here on the diets.
[1:14:11] First of all, let's start with the big one.
[1:14:13] The great air show highs.
[1:14:15] These folks sitting in front of us thought it was going to be a good decision to let Michael
[1:14:18] Gates sweet talk them and devoting for a massive payout for Gates' old buddy Kevin Elliott.
[1:14:23] The giveaway?
[1:14:24] $5 million taxpayer dollars because the promoter had to cancel one day of the air show
[1:14:28] for an oil spill that the city had zero fall tin.
[1:14:31] Next up, the really really bad decision to go after the beloved public libraries in this town.
[1:14:36] We know this was Gracie's pet project.
[1:14:39] She hates books and librarians and got her church to come here and attack librarians,
[1:14:42] calling them pedophiles and other vile names.
[1:14:45] On to the brilliant idea to privatize a library with another backroom deal with former council member
[1:14:50] turned private library guy Mike Posie.
[1:14:53] All of this escalated to a costly local special election to the tune of 1.43 million
[1:14:59] Plus
[1:15:00] That's about 59,000 for signature verification. Yikes. Let's address the lawsuits. Kennedy Commission, 3.53 million loss, plus another half a mil on appeal. More air show losses, 200,000 for refusing to provide the settlement details of the public.
[1:15:16] Michael Gates's age discrimination case, 2.5 million settlement, plus 1.5 million legal costs.
[1:15:21] At least another 200,000 in fees from the field housing law violations, more penalties coming.
[1:15:27] Voter ID case, another loser that the folks up here fell for from Gates, charter city exceptions, nope.
[1:15:35] So here we are looking at losses in the 10 to 15 million dollar range when all is said and done.
[1:15:41] Our budget is $15 million upside down.
[1:15:44] And tonight on the agenda, I mean look, we want our police to receive the pay that they deserve.
[1:15:50] We recognize how hard our police officers work to keep us safe.
[1:15:56] But maybe this council should have been better stewards of the taxpayer's money.
[1:16:00] And we could afford this, but we can't afford this right now.
[1:16:05] It's also a bit suspect to suggest this 10 million pay raise right before an election.
[1:16:09] Are we looking for endorsements?
[1:16:11] The last raise for 4 million for a police was just in 2020.
[1:16:14] Again, they deserve a competitive salary, but we need to be realist here.
[1:16:21] The failed lawsuits and grand giveaways take their toll on the budget.
[1:16:25] Are we headed for bankruptcy?
[1:16:28] So what is the solution?
[1:16:30] Vote these people out of office and vote for humble public servants like Terran Palombo,
[1:16:36] Erin Spivey, Ben Davis, and Brenda Glam.
[1:16:39] Let's select people who are not rich in money, but rich in character.
[1:16:43] Good people who don't use paid-a-place schemes to enrich their buddies or vote for loser
[1:16:50] lawsuits.
[1:16:52] Please vote for sanity, not vanity.
[1:16:55] Thank you.
[1:16:58] Next speaker, please.
[1:17:01] Hello council members.
[1:17:02] I'm here to discuss the recent solution of new flock cameras within Hainton Beach.
[1:17:07] For those that are unaware of the function of these flock cameras, there are new AI-enabled
[1:17:11] surveillance camera that automatically takes down the plate.
[1:17:14] color, bumper sticker, and identifiable damage
[1:17:17] of any car going by, logging it into a searchable database.
[1:17:21] I've been going down, down, down, down, down, to point out these
[1:17:23] flawed cameras to people, and every single person I stop is either
[1:17:26] unaware of these cameras or perfectly aware and fearful of them.
[1:17:30] These cameras have become a device of issue for a very clear reason.
[1:17:34] They are a new system different from traditional security cameras.
[1:17:37] They treat all citizens as criminals first, where they would be
[1:17:40] tracked and logged.
[1:17:42] Not only this, but there are some of the first AI surveillance tools being integrated
[1:17:47] within our society.
[1:17:49] This tool of convenience infringes on every citizen's right to do process.
[1:17:53] In researching this issue, I found very little clarity in the contracts the city has with
[1:17:57] lock.
[1:17:58] I could not find any public deliberation on the install of these cameras, and there is also
[1:18:02] no public usage policy for these cameras.
[1:18:05] I request that this council releases all contracts that have been signed with lock in
[1:18:10] single package releases all planned future contracts with flock as we want to know how many of these
[1:18:16] things will be installed. And during the next city council meeting I want to agenda item
[1:18:20] deliberating the cancellation of future flock contracts along with other AI enabled surveillance tools.
[1:18:26] I urge you to talk to your constituents about flock, realize how unpopular it is, and consider
[1:18:31] this item for deliberation. Also California law SP34 requires that a usage policy for these cameras
[1:18:38] be publicly available. There's currently no such policy released. You guys must post this in order
[1:18:43] to remain in compliance with California law. It should include how the status is used,
[1:18:48] under what circumstances it is used, and how long it is stored. This must be shared and made
[1:18:52] publicly available on the Highington Beach government website. I know I'm talking to a council
[1:18:58] that is cautious in regards to government overreach. Well, these cameras are right for abuse.
[1:19:03] The goal of these cameras is to get a searchable database of people's movement moment by moment
[1:19:07] location. The FBI attempted to do this with cell phone data, and was ruled in 2018 in the
[1:19:13] case of Carpenter versus the United States that require a warrant to do this. There
[1:19:18] are no such protections regarding these new AI surveillance tools. Until there are, we cannot
[1:19:22] justify using them.
[1:19:26] Thank you.
[1:19:28] Thank you.
[1:19:32] Next speaker, please. My name is Parker Bosworth, and I'm a resident of Huntington Beach.
[1:19:37] HPs installed automated license plate cameras that log every vehicle that passes whether or
[1:19:41] driver has done anything wrong.
[1:19:43] They create a profile in each of us and are constantly
[1:19:45] misused in ways that harm everyone, even yourself.
[1:19:49] I know this isn't in a genderized item tonight.
[1:19:51] I'm not asking for a vote.
[1:19:52] I'm asking for the council to direct staff to agenda
[1:19:55] as a full review of the flawed contract and upcoming meeting,
[1:19:58] including whether there's a renewal date.
[1:20:00] Or termination clause, we can act on. And to release the department's usage policy and audit logs in the meantime.
[1:20:07] Councilman, earlier you mentioned that you were on to beach to be the premier city of safety,
[1:20:12] removing and banning flat cameras, and all a LPRs from Huntington Beach is crucial to achieve that.
[1:20:20] Thank you.
[1:20:24] Thank you, next speaker, please.
[1:20:26] Good evening, Mayor and council members. I've lived in Huntington Beach for 30 years.
[1:20:31] And I've always supported public safety.
[1:20:35] I have friends in our police and fire departments,
[1:20:39] and I believe the people who serve this community deserve good wages.
[1:20:46] I really do.
[1:20:48] But I am asking you tonight to hit pause on this police contract
[1:20:55] And tell the public understands what it means for our city over the next five years, five to ten years.
[1:21:08] This is not about being against police officers or against the firefighters.
[1:21:14] It's about not making promises today that we cannot keep tomorrow.
[1:21:23] We've already been told that we're facing a deficit of over $15 million this year.
[1:21:31] And what we owe for pensions keeps climbing.
[1:21:36] Now we're looking at another 10 million a year plus another agreement that you are talking
[1:21:43] with our firefighters. That could be $30 million a year in the red out of a general fund
[1:21:52] of only $150 million. Do that math for five years and we are broke.
[1:22:03] When cities get
[1:22:04] in financial trouble, regular people pay them price. City employees lose their jobs. Families
[1:22:13] pay higher taxes, streets and sewers wait, and eventually police and fire positions get cut
[1:22:21] too. And we're all less safe. Let's not put our community or our employees in that spot.
[1:22:33] So before you vote, please ask the Finance Department or the Finance Commission to show us
[1:22:43] publicly. What the next five to 10 years looks like with all of these agreements included.
[1:22:53] I don't understand the rush. We are less than three months from an election
[1:22:59] where the majority of these seats are on the ballot. This agreement will affect our finances
[1:23:06] as long after this council is gone.
[1:23:09] What's wrong with giving residents more information
[1:23:14] and more time?
[1:23:16] Let's put the numbers in front of us
[1:23:18] and then we can decide out in the open.
[1:23:26] Thank you.
[1:23:26] Thanks, Speaker, please.
[1:23:28] All right, good evening.
[1:23:29] My name's Russell Neol, I live in Huntington Beach.
[1:23:32] Concerning item 26, the police MOU,
[1:23:35] I would just say that we all love
[1:23:38] and appreciate our police, our firefighters, and all of our city employees, and want to see
[1:23:46] them fairly compensated.
[1:23:49] At the same time, we expect our council to represent the interest of all our citizens.
[1:23:56] And we expect hard fought, but fair negotiations conducted without fear or favor.
[1:24:05] and we are watching this closely.
[1:24:09] Concerning the upcoming elections,
[1:24:12] I remember how bad it was under the prior city council.
[1:24:17] Homeless in campus and crime were high and increasing.
[1:24:22] Business faced a hostile city government,
[1:24:26] HP residents were vilified from the Dias
[1:24:30] and woke politics was the order of the day.
[1:24:34] Sacramento was supported in its plans to bulldoze our homes and neighborhoods and replace them with subsidized high-rise apartments.
[1:24:47] The citizens of HB weren't having it. They filled all four seats with candidates promising to save surf city and later added three more.
[1:24:58] and
[1:25:00] Save it, you have, crime and homelessness are down dramatically. Red tape has been cut and business formation is booming and someone finally stood up to Sacramento's neighborhood destruction in a battle that is far from over.
[1:25:21] You even got lib the library fountains working again, something we were told could not be done.
[1:25:30] Why would anybody want to go back to the failed past?
[1:25:34] Why would anyone want to see the return of high crime and homelessness?
[1:25:41] Why would anyone elect a forcing promising to take orders from Sacramento and to ignore the wishes of the people
[1:25:51] people of Huntington Beach.
[1:25:53] This November, I urge the election of Casey McKin,
[1:25:57] Pat Burns, Andrew Grull, and Brian Thinis.
[1:26:02] Stay with proven success and reject guaranteed failure.
[1:26:08] Thank you, and God bless Huntington Beach.
[1:26:14] Next speaker, please.
[1:26:16] Hello, friends.
[1:26:17] My name is Sean.
[1:26:18] I'm a longtime resident and a former city council candidate
[1:26:21] way back in 2010. I am here to speak out against the proposed 17.9% increase for police officers
[1:26:29] over a three year period. While a deal like this certainly highlights the benefits and the
[1:26:34] importance of every employee to have union representation, a sweetheart deal 90 days before an election
[1:26:41] seems a bit irresponsible. Huntington Beach has a budget deficit of at least 15.6 million dollars
[1:26:49] which was deepened by your actions.
[1:26:52] An entire unnecessary special election that cost the city well over a million dollars.
[1:26:58] And a special election that by the way you guys still lost.
[1:27:01] You're deal with the air show, the frivolous lawsuits and now a sweet heart deal with the police.
[1:27:07] And are we supposed to believe that the fire department won't also want a deal this good?
[1:27:12] Didn't we just recently have all the department heads give us presentations under the premise that we are looking to save money?
[1:27:17] Isn't this the same council that tried to shake down a center for homeless seniors for pocket change?
[1:27:25] Perhaps if our homeless community had such an important endorsement to give out a simple Tephra vote wouldn't have you wailing about socialism?
[1:27:33] In short, this is reckless, financially responsible, but you already know that and you know what you're doing.
[1:27:39] Thank you.
[1:27:42] Next speaker.
[1:27:44] Hi, I'm Ellen Riley and I want to make a proposal, maybe you've already made it, no oil drilling off of our coast off of our beach.
[1:27:54] 25, we had 25,000 gallons of oil spill about six years ago from oil extraction oil drilling offshore.
[1:28:05] So I hope you consider that and make that a proposal or a decision of this council.
[1:28:13] Otherwise, the city, you've been discussion about that deficit in this city, and I am going
[1:28:21] to recommend selling the helicopters that we have.
[1:28:25] We have about three helicopters and that's not modern technology.
[1:28:30] That's last century, just like the aircraft carriers, which the country is going to be getting
[1:28:34] a bit of a replacing, and I recommend selling the helicopters and replacing them with drones.
[1:28:41] That will also pump more money, maybe, into the police department since there's been
[1:28:46] a discussion that the police department needs more money, and I do know that they've been
[1:28:51] talking about wanting to recruit more staff, but they have not done it or have not been able
[1:28:57] to do it because the money is not there.
[1:29:00] I think that's my presentation for the day.
[1:29:05] Thank you.
[1:29:06] Thank you.
[1:29:09] Next speaker's please.
[1:29:10] Speaker's number 60 through 70, please approach the podium.
[1:29:14] Use both podiums.
[1:29:16] Please line up along the wall.
[1:29:43] Good, please.
[1:29:44] Good evening.
[1:29:44] My name is Mia and I'm a resident of Huntington Beach.
[1:29:48] HBPD has installed automated license plate cameras
[1:29:51] that log every vehicle that passes whether or not the driver has done anything wrong.
[1:29:56] I know this isn't an agendized item tonight, so I'm not asking for...
[1:30:00] I'm asking the council to direct staff to agenda is a full review of the flood contract at an upcoming meeting, including whether there's a renewal day or termination clause we can act on, and to release the department's usage policy and audit logs in the meantime. Thank you.
[1:30:18] Thank you. Next speaker.
[1:30:21] Hi, that's any web long time money to be president and
[1:30:26] tie fashes. I want to start with actually the police agenda item. As somebody I've mentioned
[1:30:34] before, whose family was devastated by gun violence, my respect and the understanding of how much
[1:30:42] need the police is total. So I would suggest a deeper dive into how we're going to pay
[1:30:52] for, well, I'm not going to give an opinion on whether we should or should not move forward.
[1:30:58] I do want to say that the mismanagement by the City Council is what got us here way. I
[1:31:04] cannot just endorse it because the City Council has destroyed our finances. I want to
[1:31:12] for the people that are up for election right now that we need to remember who got us in this
[1:31:18] mass with their crowning giveaway. Casey and Pat were on the original two. Graselda who is running
[1:31:30] for state assembly, Tony Baloney who is running for Senate and Michael Gates who is running for
[1:31:38] city attorney, those are the people that did this give away of millions of dollars that you
[1:31:45] still will not allow us to see. No one trusts you here because the remaining people are so
[1:31:54] entrust worthy that they stabbed our number one votegatter in Chad who should rightfully be the mayor,
[1:32:02] but they don't even have honor to their own side.
[1:32:06] Beat City's brought people in here to vote him the number one
[1:32:10] getter, but you guys don't care about that.
[1:32:13] You don't have honor, honor is everything.
[1:32:17] What we don't trust you, you know why?
[1:32:19] Because we know you're paid for a play.
[1:32:21] The police are now going to be suspect
[1:32:23] if they endorse any of you,
[1:32:26] because we're going to believe that this is just another
[1:32:30] that you paid for in advance, so do us a favor to the police who I totally support with
[1:32:38] hold your endorsements until after or I don't know how you could do it, but I certainly
[1:32:45] would not endorse any of the people that have shown themselves to be dishonorable and
[1:32:52] a grifters. Finally, Pat, look at how everybody else is dressed. I mean, could you show some
[1:33:01] decor with your stupid thongs and ugly feet and faded T-shirts? Could you put on a certain
[1:33:07] time and show that you have any respect? I mean, you know, our vaping buddy and our thong, but
[1:33:13] you're both an insult to this community.
[1:33:18] Next speaker. Okay.
[1:33:23] Since we are interrupted, which we
[1:33:24] never do it, our debate. We hope all candidates will reply by tomorrow when they
[1:33:29] the 19th. We set up this debate to provide all 130,000 plus HB voters to hear all
[1:33:39] points of view. Speaking of revenue, it seems to be the theme tonight. KC, Samo
[1:33:46] Samo, Denine, 825,000 dollars from the Friends of the Library is detrimental to our
[1:33:53] deficit. What other city denies money from its
[1:33:58] friends of the library? It's insane. It's
[1:34:03] revenge for winning measures A and B, which you all
[1:34:06] campaigned against, and Gracie Vandermark's
[1:34:09] book Bending Attempt. It will be your legacy
[1:34:12] as Mayor Casey, denying $825,000 from a
[1:34:18] non-profit established four decades ago.
[1:34:22] 825,000 dollars that could help turn a fair pay raise into a reality for our servants.
[1:34:31] I also urge the City Council to look again at the pay raises for all city servants, a fair,
[1:34:37] and a fiduciary intelligent raise in this and in future deficit years.
[1:34:43] Please table the MOU and salary instructors.
[1:34:46] Thank you.
[1:34:50] Let's meet her.
[1:34:54] Is that it?
[1:34:56] Looks like that concludes our speakers.
[1:34:58] Okay.
[1:35:03] Okay.
[1:35:11] Hi, Canan Durham. First of all, I want to say thank you to Andrew Gruhl. I heard you apologize for mistakenly making a derogatory statement towards the community at the last city council meeting and I respect that you made a statement about that and apologize publicly. I think that's great.
[1:35:33] I did want to speak about the proposed raise for the police.
[1:35:40] Somebody also already mentioned that we are in a $15 million deficit
[1:35:44] per latest article from the Voice of O.C.
[1:35:48] According to the Huntington Beach Police Officer,
[1:35:50] earning potential calculator, which is on the city website,
[1:35:54] the lowest base pay that the city is advertising you can receive
[1:35:59] is $100,000, $1,127 dollars per year, which is considerably lower than what the majority
[1:36:12] of the highest paying officers are receiving.
[1:36:16] So Chief Eric Para, according to public salary information, last year made $444,000, number
[1:36:26] After 13 in that list, Lieutenant Toby Archer, who's one of the officers who arrested Chris
[1:36:31] to be last year, made $344,000 in Lieutenant Brian Smith, who's number 17, and someone
[1:36:39] I'm quite friendly with made $334,000.
[1:36:42] Now, of course, this does include benefits packages and the like.
[1:36:47] The median household income in Hunting Beach is $122,000 a year.
[1:36:52] the individual salary average in Huntington Beach is $55,000 a year.
[1:36:59] In the last city council meeting on agenda item number 25 on the consent calendar was the annual military equipment use.
[1:37:08] And I pulled that up. Some of the things that were included in that were unmanned remotely piloted power to aerial or ground vehicles.
[1:37:18] The noise flash, diversionary techniques, munitions containing tear gas,
[1:37:24] aerial denial,
[1:37:25] electro-shocked devices, all of these things cost the city, a great amount of money,
[1:37:29] and are not things that are consistently being used, but we are proving that in the budget.
[1:37:36] There's a lot more here that I could talk about. I've got a list of data, but I think here the issue is,
[1:37:43] We have a discrepancy in the way that these funds are being used, so if there's an argument
[1:37:50] about paying our police officers more, we should be careful about how we are putting that
[1:37:56] money together.
[1:37:57] When we have 50 officers that are making above $180,000 a year, which is far more than the
[1:38:06] average in the city, it makes it hard for people who are looking at this budget discrepancy
[1:38:12] to see that and feel okay about that inquiry.
[1:38:15] Thank you so much.
[1:38:21] All right.
[1:38:24] Moving to council committee appointment announcements.
[1:38:26] Council members, do you have any council committee appointment announcements?
[1:38:30] Seeing none.
[1:38:31] AB1, 2, 3 reporting does anyone have anything to report?
[1:38:35] Seeing none.
[1:38:36] Open this in the negotiation disclosures.
[1:38:38] Does anyone have anything to disclose?
[1:38:40] I spoke to the POA.
[1:38:42] Spook to police.
[1:38:45] Likewise.
[1:38:46] I move
[1:38:54] it on to the public hearing so a public hearing to adopt resolution number 2026-34 authorizing
[1:39:01] an application for funds under the Orange County Transportation Authority for an Orange County
[1:39:05] enhancement ability for seniors in disabled grant program.
[1:39:08] Madam Clerk we have any supplemental communications for this item.
[1:39:12] None received.
[1:39:13] Staff please introduce the report.
[1:39:18] Mayor McKean and members of the City Council.
[1:39:21] Tonight staff is requesting authorization to apply to the Orange County Transportation Authority
[1:39:25] for an Orange County enhanced mobility for seniors and individuals with disabilities grant.
[1:39:31] This grant would provide funding to purchase accessible vehicles to transport older adults
[1:39:34] and people with disabilities through our surf city seniors on the Go Senior Transportation Program.
[1:39:40] To move forward, we are asking the council to adopt Resolution Number 2026-334 authorizing
[1:39:46] staff to submit a grant application to OCTA under the EMSD Program. A approval of this
[1:39:55] accessible, reliable transportation services for the older adults and individuals.
[1:40:00] Individuals with disabilities who rely on the surf city seniors on the go program.
[1:40:05] The total project costs $435,600, and the funding breakdown would be the grant request of $392,000,
[1:40:16] with the city's 10% match requirement of $43,560.
[1:40:20] If awarded sufficient funds are available in the Equipment Replacement Fund 325 to cover the 10% match requirement.
[1:40:30] The EMSC grant program is administered through the OCTA.
[1:40:35] The EMSC program is intended to support the needs of seniors and people with disabilities when transportation services are unavailable in sufficient or inappropriate to meet these needs.
[1:40:47] Funding from this grant would be used to support the Serve City Seniors on the Go program that operates at the Senior Center in Central Park.
[1:40:55] The Serve City Seniors on the Go program is a donation-based program providing curb-to-curve transportation for Huntington Beach residents aged 16 over from their homes to a variety of locations such as nutrition services, medical appointments, shopping centers, social services, and the Senior Center in Central Park.
[1:41:12] The proposed grant application is to purchase three accessible vehicles to transport older adults and people with disabilities.
[1:41:20] City staff proposed purchasing two accessible vans each able to seat seven passengers or a combination of seated passengers in wheelchair users.
[1:41:29] And one small accessible bus designed to accommodate up to nine passengers, including both seated and wheelchair passengers.
[1:41:37] Acquiring these three new vehicles would allow the city to retire one older bus currently kept on standby shift another aging bus into standby status and maintain reliable transportation services for the older adults of Huntington Beach.
[1:41:50] In the fiscal year 2526 the service city seniors on the go program provided more than 23,000 free trips to over 500 unduplicated passengers demonstrating just how vital this service is to our community.
[1:42:03] As part of the grant process, OCTA requires the city to complete a public notice for the intent to apply for the grant directly notify private nonprofit transportation providers via registered mail, conduct a public hearing and adopt a resolution.
[1:42:19] Staff has completed or is preparing to complete all of these steps this evening.
[1:42:26] Staff's recommended action tonight is to adopt a resolution number 2026-34, a resolution
[1:42:32] of the City Council of the City of Huntington Beach authorizing City staff to apply
[1:42:36] to the Orange County Transportation Authority for an Orange County enhance mobility for seniors
[1:42:41] and individuals with disabilities grant program to purchase accessible vans to transfer older adults
[1:42:47] and people with disabilities for the serve city seniors on the go senior transportation program
[1:42:52] And authorize the appropriation of $43,560 from the Equipment Replacement Fund 325 fund balance to fulfill the 10% grant match requirement.
[1:43:03] And at this time I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.
[1:43:07] Thank you.
[1:43:08] Council members, does anyone have any questions on the report itself?
[1:43:12] No.
[1:43:13] Okay.
[1:43:14] I'm hoping the public hearing.
[1:43:17] Madam Clerk, do we have any people signed up to speak?
[1:43:20] The City Council will now receive public comments for the public hearing item only.
[1:43:25] If you are here to provide in-person comments, cue in the designated area along the stairs,
[1:43:29] use the podium, and state your name.
[1:43:31] If you would like you reflected in the minutes.
[1:43:33] If you'd like to provide comments for closed session on Zoom, raise your hand in the Zoom
[1:43:39] feature, and you will be called by your Zoom name.
[1:43:42] Once called, be prepared to unmute your microphone to speak.
[1:43:51] Please approach the podium.
[1:44:00] Good evening, Mayor and City Council.
[1:44:04] My name is Tim Gettis, and I want to be able to support this for citizens, seniors over 60.
[1:44:17] I'm over 60.
[1:44:18] I'm over 65.
[1:44:20] I'm over 70.
[1:44:21] I'm over 75.
[1:44:23] So, and I visit the Senior Center at least once a week.
[1:44:27] So, but I am, if the funding is already available, then I think that we should go for this
[1:44:40] because Huntington Beach has an aging population. We need to be able to provide not only for
[1:44:48] the present, but for years in the future and I look forward to supporting this. Thank you.
[1:44:56] Thank you, and the speakers.
[1:45:00] All right. No. I'm not going to close the public hearing. Any discussion from the colleagues?
[1:45:10] Obviously a great program and I'd like to make a motion to move the recommended action so we can apply for this grant.
[1:45:18] Seconded by Mayor Pro Temps 20.
[1:45:21] Any debate or discussion? Okay. Madam Clerk, please call the roll.
[1:45:27] Councilman Groen. Yes. Councilman Kennedy. Yes. Mayor Pro 1020. Yes. Mayor McKinney. Yes.
[1:45:35] Councilwoman Vandermark. Yes. Councilman Williams. Yes. Item passes.
[1:45:41] Six. Zero. One. Thank you.
[1:45:47] All right. I'll next is the city manager's report.
[1:45:49] Study session for landify. City manager please introduce the study session item.
[1:45:54] Yes. This item was brought to city council early in this year.
[1:45:57] and staff has been working with Landa Phi, and I believe Ashley Weissaki will introduce the item.
[1:46:06] Thank you. This evening, providing the presentation is our facilities and development manager, Chris Cole, and President of Landa Phi, Jonathan Brighton.
[1:46:23] Good evening, honorable mayor and city council members. I'm Chris Cole.
[1:46:26] community services community services manager for the community library services department.
[1:46:33] I have with us tonight Jonathan Brayden from Cymru Colandify and basically what we have
[1:46:38] to talk about tonight is that we might have an opportunity to turn that old defunct
[1:46:43] property in Huntington Touch of Park East which was formerly the outdoor gun range
[1:46:46] and actually turned it into usable open park space. And so Jonathan's here tonight to
[1:46:51] go over once again on how he might be able to help us accomplish that goal.
[1:46:55] Good evening, Mayor. Good evening, council members. Jonathan Biden, I'm working for
[1:47:01] landify. Landify is the U.S. subsidiary of Group CTT. Group CTT has been working
[1:47:08] in operating for 50 years. We completed more than 100 projects historically in Europe.
[1:47:15] We are, thank you very much. We are experienced with disturbed,
[1:47:21] degraded sites such as brownfield, quarries, illegal dump sites, and sensitive areas.
[1:47:29] What we do is that we repurpose those pieces of land using soil coming from construction
[1:47:37] sites.
[1:47:39] We completed, we're working on close to 12 projects in California.
[1:47:44] We're working in the north near San Francisco.
[1:47:47] So we are working on projects here in Orange County with the City of Orange, with the
[1:47:53] Sea of Chulavista in San Diego County.
[1:47:59] The way the model works is fairly simple.
[1:48:04] When you have construction happening somewhere, there are materials, dirt and concrete,
[1:48:12] of concrete that are generated by those construction works and usually those materials go into
[1:48:20] landfills to that they're used for daily cover to cover the landfills. So not very productive use.
[1:48:29] What we do is that we intercept those flows and we use those flows in order to reshape pieces of land.
[1:48:36] this is what we've been doing for 50 years. It allows us to deliver open spaces projects
[1:48:44] at no cost for municipalities. The way the model is funded is through what we call the tipping fees.
[1:48:51] Those are the fees that are paid by the construction companies that come and bring us soil.
[1:48:58] They would pay those the same tipping fees if they were going to landfield.
[1:49:01] So we are just intercepting the flows, we are sourcing sites that are closer to construction sites,
[1:49:09] allowing them to save and transportation costs, so they are incentivized in coming to us.
[1:49:15] And that provides those tipping fees, provides a funding source that allows us to develop the projects that we work on.
[1:49:23] So it's a new innovative way of funding projects and redeveloping pieces of pieces of land by using
[1:49:30] flows that are already existent in terms of construction linked dirt.
[1:49:41] In terms of the projects that we're developing, I mentioned we're developing 12 projects
[1:49:45] in California, one of them that you have here on the screen is a bike park project that
[1:49:49] we started a year ago in the city of Vacaville, north of San Francisco, you can see the
[1:49:56] idea of the project is it's a public public.
[1:50:00] All right. So, once again, the proposed public public park owned by the city of Vacaville, and they wanted to develop a bike park. The city needed funding for this bike park, and so we came with this concept and signed a contract with the city, allowing us to import dirt coming from neighboring construction sites, create the landform, and then generate funding to develop amenities on top of the landform to deliver a bike park for the city of Vacaville.
[1:50:31] So, once again, the proposed area of focus is the old defunded gun range, I think, in such a park east.
[1:50:37] It's right behind the sports complex.
[1:50:39] It's roughly about eight acres.
[1:50:41] It's currently unusable to sit out there doing nothing for us.
[1:50:45] The soil's contaminated, and it is already designated as park open space.
[1:50:49] That's part of the central park master plan already.
[1:50:54] So, next steps, next steps what we'd like to do is to evaluate this proposal.
[1:50:59] We'd have to enter into an MOU with landify that would give them the ability to go on the property site and conduct the feasibility studies.
[1:51:09] The landify will assume all the upfront costs and risk associated with these studies.
[1:51:13] There's no project approval or project commitment at this time in this part of the process.
[1:51:19] And if this city elects to move forward with a external fill disposal fee funding model, it would do so as landify.
[1:51:26] And if it's found feasible, we would have to go into a separate agreement,
[1:51:31] landified, actually conduct the work.
[1:51:39] So next steps after the studies would be to collect the community input,
[1:51:43] and ask the residents, what would you like to see in this new park space?
[1:51:47] What kind of amenities would you like there?
[1:51:49] That's how we like to develop our parks.
[1:51:51] It's a really community process.
[1:51:53] Then also we would consult with the city attorney's office,
[1:51:56] about Measure C and Measure L.
[1:51:58] We bring in contract back the council that would authorize land apply to do the actual work and then we'd also need to secure the balance of the project funding if necessary, and
[1:52:12] with that you have any questions?
[1:52:14] Any questions, Dawn?
[1:52:17] Sure.
[1:52:19] I remember when you came in before and I appreciate you coming back.
[1:52:22] So the tipping fees, you received the free soil right from people that'd rather dump here as opposed to going to the landfills.
[1:52:30] So you receive that, you create the proposed land form.
[1:52:35] Does that mean you have an idea or you just create a level platform to build on?
[1:52:42] It really, the beauty we've done is that we have the capability of shaping it,
[1:52:47] so the form that's required.
[1:52:49] So that's really going to be dependent on the end using what's the cambia plateau.
[1:52:54] It can be hills, it's really dependent on what is useful at the end.
[1:52:59] that obviously this is something that we can work on that will be part of the feasibility
[1:53:03] study that we're trying to assess is looking at a conceptual lampform to see because obviously
[1:53:10] directly the form, the lampform, the form of the lampform will drive the volume out of dirt that
[1:53:17] will be required to deliver that and obviously as we're linked to the volume, this will be very
[1:53:21] important. So this is something that we need to discuss within this feasibility study to have
[1:53:26] some kind of a concept, is it a plateau, is it more hills, in order for us to have an idea
[1:53:32] of the volume and thus assess the feasibility of the project?
[1:53:36] So the timeline would be MOU feasibility.
[1:53:40] While that's happening, we should simultaneously come up with ideas because the feasibility,
[1:53:47] what's the timeline?
[1:53:48] How long would it take you to determine feasibility for that couple of months, three to six months?
[1:53:52] So what would happen if you've put that time in effort in, and we're still trying to figure out, well, you know, things move slowly with the public, and rightfully so, you know, it takes time to determine what you want to put on eight acres, so I can't imagine that we're going to have, you know, a finished idea by the time you're done importing soil, so what happens then, or do you try and time it, you wait till we have something before you proceed with the beginning?
[1:54:18] We can do several things. We can do something that's neutral like a plateau which allows you to develop afterwards and have, you know, the granularity.
[1:54:26] We can also do what we're doing in a intruder vista where they have a huge university project that they're in the planning stages of and we're doing a stockpiling.
[1:54:34] So we're stockpiling dirt, which will be reused afterwards to reshape and to shape some of the green areas.
[1:54:41] So that also allows a lot of flexibility so we can either do it in an advanced or stock pile and then come back when the project is finalised.
[1:54:52] So up to that point, the cost of one side, you're incurring all the costs, right?
[1:54:57] So we know it's contaminating as Mr. Cole's.
[1:55:00] It's clear that it's going to be contaminated. So in your feasibility, do you look at the level of contamination and what it's going to take to remediate it? That's part of your assessments. Probably the sole reason for this assessment.
[1:55:11] Exactly. There's a central policy that's talking to the agencies. Does that remind what's required in terms of a remediation for the site? Can it be, you know, what, what will we record and what will be the cost of this remediation?
[1:55:23] Seeing that if, you know, some of the solutions that we're bringing with, you know, new to coming in, can we encapsulate parts of the pollution?
[1:55:29] is that feasible or not? And so that's the discussion that we want to have during this feasibility
[1:55:34] with the agencies to see what we need to remove all of the materials. That's the whole purpose.
[1:55:40] So you determine it, it needs to be remedied in which is a given. That's another cost that you're
[1:55:45] willing to incur as they're correct. If it's exactly. Yes. If it requires digging or if it
[1:55:51] requires covering, that's obviously more volumes for us in terms of importing dirt,
[1:55:56] more generation, you know, tipping fee generation for the project.
[1:56:02] So at that point, the expense is all you born by you.
[1:56:05] So is your inevitable goal then to be the developer of the project, once it's been identified,
[1:56:10] and it's ready to be built, is that how you earn?
[1:56:14] We really, again, our business is ready to import debts and to create the landfill.
[1:56:20] What's developed on top of the landfill is something you know,
[1:56:23] go through third parties for the bike park that we're doing and we're developing in Vancouver.
[1:56:28] We're going to go through a third party. So really our business model is really importing
[1:56:32] dirt and creating land forms and shapes. What's developed on top is really, you know, we work
[1:56:37] with, whomever the city or the people we work with, what does one does to work with. What we provide
[1:56:43] is funding for this for those developments. Oh, you also provide the funding. So you're a
[1:56:53] No, no. Again, the funding comes from the tipping fees, so part of the tipping fees is put as a budget to fund for the bike parking for instance the bike park amenities.
[1:57:04] Okay.
[1:57:07] Okay.
[1:57:08] Don't we get a percentage? You give us a percentage of your tipping fees, the pay for that final product.
[1:57:14] At the end of the day, it's a percentage exam.
[1:57:16] Because it's not an exam.
[1:57:18] Okay. One last question is,
[1:57:21] And if we talked to all your customers here in the United States, has there been any failures?
[1:57:27] I mean, I guess you really don't have a failable model because if you assess you're going to make sense,
[1:57:32] then you move forward and at that point, the cost is completely your burden, right, but you've assessed it.
[1:57:40] Yeah, absolutely.
[1:57:41] We size all projects to make sure that we know that we're going to live with them.
[1:57:45] So, yes.
[1:57:46] So, once you deliver the land form, are you out of it or do you have oversight on the development or you've done at that point?
[1:57:53] It really depends on the project we can do both. It depends if we're required to stay, or if the city wants to take ownership back.
[1:58:00] It really depends on the on the on the agreement that we have.
[1:58:03] And if you stay, do you act as a contract management firm and you take a fee?
[1:58:08] We don't get paid on the project, so if we stay, it's really on our dime to make sure that the project is
[1:58:15] state of the art because again, this is our only credential for the company is making sure that the project and the benchmark and the track record is good.
[1:58:27] My last question then I'll be done. My colleagues can ask, do you have competitors?
[1:58:32] I know you call this, which my background is business generation without reach.
[1:58:39] So we didn't do any outbound. I believe you call this. Do you have any competitors in the United States?
[1:58:45] In the world, you can do it. We're doing exactly the same model offering the services that we're offering.
[1:58:53] Nobody in the United States?
[1:58:55] Okay. You got them in a lovely.
[1:58:58] Thank you.
[1:59:00] But do you take care of the geotechnical engineering fees too when you're bringing in an imported
[1:59:06] soil for a compaction and all that?
[1:59:10] Yes, obviously depends on where it's required, but yes, some of the projects it's open
[1:59:15] space, so not a lot of geotechnical, but we're working for instance on a project where there's
[1:59:19] going to be commercial development on top, so geotechnical will be involved.
[1:59:24] Okay, thank you.
[1:59:27] The other questions?
[1:59:28] Yes, sir.
[1:59:29] All right, so I understand the next step is the MOU, so I want to be very careful in terms
[1:59:34] of what we are agreeing upon and one of the things that you would share and I paid attention
[1:59:39] to is it depends on what the agreement is with the city.
[1:59:42] And so when it comes to the backup bill, the tipping fees, if they could completely cover
[1:59:49] the cost of the development in backup bill so that the city doesn't have to put any money
[1:59:54] into that development.
[1:59:55] we haven't started yet, so are you in five years when we're done with the landfill, but that's the...
[2:00:00] That's the idea.
[2:00:01] And I understand there is some upfront risk that you are taking on and that's why you want exclusivity
[2:00:06] that we wouldn't go with somebody else once you've done that feasibility analysis.
[2:00:11] Go ahead.
[2:00:12] If we, if, if it's to develop something using dirt, so you can develop, if it, if you don't
[2:00:16] use dirt, we have no exclusivity.
[2:00:18] So these, the exclusivity is just on the business model, which is importing, importing dirt to
[2:00:23] create something on top.
[2:00:25] So let us suppose you import that dirt, you get the dumping fees out of that, you just give
[2:00:29] maybe just a flat foundation to work with and then we can sat right let's go
[2:00:34] separate ways and we're going to bring in our own developer if we want to
[2:00:37] expand the sports complex or put a jungle gym we're not on the hook with you
[2:00:41] in any exclusive agreement with this MOU to develop anything from that
[2:00:45] point forward correct okay and then when it comes to the sequel analysis who's
[2:00:49] covering the cost yes who is sorry we all covering the cult sorry you guys are
[2:00:56] every in the cost.
[2:00:58] And then Chris, I'd notice just kind of towards the end there, you talked about, you know,
[2:01:02] a difference.
[2:01:03] Like if the tipping fees didn't add up that the city could be on the hook in some way to
[2:01:08] cover some type of difference.
[2:01:10] Would all be really about what we want as the end use.
[2:01:12] So if we want to build some elaborate, water park, aqua pool facility that's very expensive,
[2:01:19] then of course, let if I dollars really go so far to get us to the goal, but safely wanted
[2:01:23] to have just more open park space.
[2:01:25] and it's within reach of their budget, and there's no cost to see,
[2:01:28] especially what we decide to do in the end is what's going to be the final cost of the overall project.
[2:01:33] Okay. So at this stage, the feasibility study and the MOU agreement that we're entering into,
[2:01:38] it's a exclusive agreement that you can go do the research, you're covering the upfront cost.
[2:01:43] If it looks good, you guys will proceed forward, and you are the only ones that could use that model then,
[2:01:48] of using tipping fees, right? The dirt, that's it.
[2:01:52] That has nothing to do with development from that point forward.
[2:01:55] We're not married to you guys or on the hook in any way to utilize you move with this
[2:02:00] MOU.
[2:02:01] Is that correct?
[2:02:01] Correct.
[2:02:02] And as Council Member mentioned, this is not our business model.
[2:02:05] Developing things on top is not our business model.
[2:02:07] Mr. Paul will agree with the landfill.
[2:02:11] Is there any a scenario where we're exposed to any kind of funds that we need to be putting
[2:02:16] in?
[2:02:16] Chris Apart from, you know, wanting to develop a swimming pool or not this point and really
[2:02:22] It's about collecting the community's input about what we want as the end use for that that
[2:02:26] will really detect or determine on what the overall cost will be in the end.
[2:02:31] Which could possibly just be just give us a flat foundation.
[2:02:36] That's it for me.
[2:02:39] It's a quick question.
[2:02:41] Just walking through a perfect scenario for you from a business owner's perspective is that
[2:02:45] you do a feasibility analysis that it determines that it needs to be enough clean up that
[2:02:50] able to bring in enough dirt to cover the cost of doing so and then that's it like what's
[2:02:55] kind of the pitch deck perfect scenario for you. That's exactly what you mentioned it's having
[2:03:00] having a volume of soil required to remediate the side and deliver what wants to be delivered what
[2:03:07] needs to be delivered that works for us from the economic standpoint. But you are incentivised to
[2:03:13] move dirt effectively. We are maximised to maximise the volume of dirt. Okay so then is there a
[2:03:18] area in which you do a feasibility analysis and hypothetically say, well, the level of contamination
[2:03:25] is so low that the amount of dirt we're ultimately going to have to move is minimal
[2:03:30] and therefore it's kind of project ready right now, or would you be incentivized to make sure
[2:03:36] there's dirt moving around to at least cover the cost of having to do the feasibility analysis.
[2:03:41] I'm not sure I understand the question. The dirt is imported from outside of the site.
[2:03:45] Yes, correct.
[2:03:46] So, the more dirt we import from outside of the site, the better it is.
[2:03:51] But so, in theory, the incentive for you is to bring in as much dirt as possible.
[2:03:57] So I guess my question then would also be in this scenario that it's deeply, deeply
[2:04:04] contaminated and the contamination is of such complicated nature that it's almost outside
[2:04:12] of the scope of what you can do, would you then just kind of do a report, lay that out for us
[2:04:17] that then we as a city could ultimately make the determination as to what we would want to do.
[2:04:22] And then you would end up eating a cost. I guess that's the risk of kind of doing it for free at that point.
[2:04:27] Yeah, you'll have the report available. Okay. But again, if it's digging to get rid of the dirt,
[2:04:33] then it's more volume for us because then you need to fill in the hole. So that's why the
[2:04:42] one it read if it's going to depend on on on different parameters. Have you ever run into a
[2:04:48] senate scenario where the contamination is so complicated that it's almost to the degree of
[2:04:52] we shouldn't even move this way out. Yes, we're working on a project where it's complicated,
[2:04:58] where we're actually even...
[2:05:00] And remediation is not clear to you know what is required. So at that point you kind of cut bait and go, but at least the client got the overall analysis.
[2:05:09] And then they use it. Okay, got it. Thank you.
[2:05:15] You're not talking about fill and solid miller in the right.
[2:05:20] the high and what you said before because we've talked a couple times it's going to take about
[2:05:31] 18 months to complete if it works out for the dirt come in. Once you start accepting dirt,
[2:05:41] it would be about 18 months. It really depends on the volume again it's really going to be
[2:05:46] if it's 1 million cubic yards, it's not the same as 10,000 cubic yards, so it's really going to depend on, but yes, you know.
[2:05:52] That's what you asked them at the world.
[2:05:54] Yes, at this stage, but yeah.
[2:05:56] All right, cool.
[2:05:58] I think much was, yeah.
[2:06:01] Does your process include export and then import?
[2:06:06] Do you export out the contaminated soil and then bring in clean soil?
[2:06:12] up is this is just imposing clean soils so we would need to work with a third party to
[2:06:17] expose if you know digging was required we would need to work with a third party.
[2:06:24] Okay all right that's it for now I guess on that can I jump in sorry I mean how do you
[2:06:30] make money if you're dumping contaminated soil somewhere the cost of that versus dumping clean
[2:06:36] soil somewhere else and making money off of that it would seem like it would almost cost
[2:06:40] more, they go tip contaminated soil somewhere else and it would tip clean dirt here.
[2:06:47] It really depends on the, as the council member, it depends on the volumes. If we're talking
[2:06:51] about getting rid of 10,000 cubic yards versus importing 200 or 300,000 cubic yards, then
[2:06:57] you can see that the volume makes the volume makes the whole business work. You're not getting
[2:07:02] a lot per cubic yard, but you're putting more volume than what you're getting out. So that's how
[2:07:07] the economics work.
[2:07:09] Typically, where would you be taking contaminated soil from here
[2:07:12] in dumping it?
[2:07:14] To proper landfills, or even organized, organized,
[2:07:19] organized on-site.
[2:07:21] That's why we would work with third parties
[2:07:23] that are specialized in that to make sure
[2:07:24] that the dirt is put in the right areas.
[2:07:29] Crazy.
[2:07:31] So, once you start the project,
[2:07:33] decided it would be about 18 months or 16 months.
[2:07:38] So you're not, or you don't have a timeframe from beginning to it's really linked to the volume, so it can, again, it varies a lot if it's a project that's 50,000
[2:07:48] import, it's very different from a project that's 150,000 so it's very, very, very varies on the volume that's required to be imported.
[2:07:58] So if you start the project, I guess my question is, how long into the project before you can tell whether it's feasible for you to continue?
[2:08:11] So how long that would be done before? That would be done with the feasibility.
[2:08:15] We know that, you know, in the feasibility, we know if it's going to be feasible or not.
[2:08:21] The other big important aspect is the number of trucks that we're bringing per day.
[2:08:27] If for some reasons, in some of the seas, we're working for we have limitations
[2:08:31] on the number of trucks that we bring, then obviously that lengthens the process given compared
[2:08:37] to if you can bring 100 trucks per day compared to 50 trucks, but they obviously that has an impact
[2:08:43] on the timing of the project.
[2:08:45] Okay, I remember we talked about this sort of a year ago, so we sat down at the office,
[2:08:50] So thanks for coming back.
[2:08:51] I want to say thanks.
[2:08:52] Thought.
[2:08:54] Thanks for touching on the trucks.
[2:08:56] That's just maybe thing one question.
[2:08:58] Then I have one other question.
[2:08:59] If there's road damage with that much trucks moving in and out, heavy loaded, who owns
[2:09:06] the road damage, if there is any.
[2:09:09] You know, if you follow the Sun, you'll like you said you have a hundred trucks coming in
[2:09:13] and out, that's way more than we're getting right now in Golden West and a concentrated
[2:09:16] effort, you know, concentrated time period.
[2:09:18] If there's pavement damage, it's real noticeable, is that something that we just absorb or we work with cities on that we do traffic studies to make sure that we assess that properly and that we have the right share of costs that are allocated so that's also that would be also a part of the feasibility study.
[2:09:39] So in a perfect world, if we said, what's your first name? Jonathan. Jonathan.
[2:09:44] our goal, what you've just, you know, simultaneously, while you're trying to determine feasibility
[2:09:51] and you're coming to the conclusion that yes, and if we, at that point, said, hey, we want this giant, I'm just going to use this skate park, bike park.
[2:10:00] And we have an architect that's already laid out the hill structures and everything else. Would you lay the dirt kind of in rough form, you know, following an architectural plan to build the hills and all those different things, kind of like what you said you're doing is that what you guys do.
[2:10:13] That's exactly what we're doing that.
[2:10:15] And then we would bring in another developer to finish the concrete and all the amenities things like that. Would you pack the dirt or would you just lay hill sites based on an architectural plan?
[2:10:26] We can do whatever makes the more sense for the projects.
[2:10:29] Again, we have people, we have blue color people that are capable of shaping.
[2:10:33] So at that point, that becomes a cost for the city.
[2:10:37] Lane out dirt based on a scheme, you know, a schematic.
[2:10:41] That's something that's what you do.
[2:10:43] At that point, there's still no cost to us, because we've given you a plan.
[2:10:48] And you've based the import, the tipping fees on how we want to lay it out in the cubic yards, right?
[2:10:53] So we could inevitably end up with a eight acre hillside in land-formed dirt field, if you will, and we say thanks Jonathan, and we've already priced out what it's going to take to pour the concrete and finish out the park, skate park, bike park,
[2:11:09] and what the case may be, just using that as a scenario.
[2:11:13] And you go on your way and we go on our way,
[2:11:15] we start paying the cost to finish it,
[2:11:17] but you've laid it out in rough form, correct?
[2:11:20] Correct, plus.
[2:11:21] Hi, for any depending on the volume you have a budget,
[2:11:24] that's the percentage of the tipping fees
[2:11:27] that you can use to do the final grading.
[2:11:32] If we drafted the MOU yet, okay.
[2:11:36] Good.
[2:11:38] Yeah, I'd like to last year, I'd like it today, like it tomorrow, great business model
[2:11:44] I'm in this business myself, makes a lot of sense.
[2:11:47] So obviously it's going to bear a minimum, you guys do an environmental report to show what
[2:11:52] the current condition of the soil is.
[2:11:54] In the best case, you just touched on it, clean fill, activates all eight acres, potentially
[2:11:58] as a spread we make on the cubic volume you guys bring in for a future project, we're looking
[2:12:03] to enhance the sports center.
[2:12:07] So this is just another way to add, potentially,
[2:12:09] eight more acres title facility.
[2:12:11] So to me, it makes a lot of sense.
[2:12:13] And I say, let's just, you know, I'll make the motion
[2:12:15] and move forward and draft that MoEU.
[2:12:18] No, second.
[2:12:24] Yeah, but it's just for council direction
[2:12:26] to just begin drafting that MoEU.
[2:12:29] Yep.
[2:12:30] Please call the vote.
[2:12:33] No, you're a real person.
[2:12:35] Yes, mayor.
[2:12:35] Because this is a standard session item,
[2:12:37] it's probably not proper to vote on it.
[2:12:39] We have the direction we can come back with.
[2:12:41] Sounds good.
[2:12:43] Thank you, Jonathan.
[2:12:44] Thank you very much.
[2:12:45] Thank you.
[2:12:49] All right.
[2:12:49] Next up is the study session for the Sports Complex.
[2:12:55] Real quick point of order.
[2:12:56] I got an each item with finance commissioner here to give a presentation in that council item.
[2:13:02] But if we could just bring him in during this time, we could eliminate the need for him later.
[2:13:07] Just thought we could do it all together.
[2:13:09] I'm going to follow that.
[2:13:10] But for proper protocol, I like the staff to do their presentation first.
[2:13:13] Yeah, well we'll have them at the end so I just had it as a council member item just her case is a fail save
[2:13:19] So I'm able to present at the end then we can you know
[2:13:23] You know, I'm okay with it.
[2:13:29] Cool
[2:13:29] So this item is the follow up from a council meeting in July on the sports complex and
[2:13:37] Zach Z will provide the staff report
[2:13:41] Good
[2:13:51] evening Mayor and members of the city council tonight tonight's items
[2:13:56] of returning from the July 7th City Council meeting where Huntington Beach Sports Complex
[2:14:01] or HBSC partners presented proposed improvements for the Sports Complex.
[2:14:06] Council then voted to refer the proposed improvements for review by Finance Commission
[2:14:11] and come back with recommendations on the 18th which is tonight.
[2:14:15] The Finance Commission also has a subcommittee that is comprised of Commissioner Boom
[2:14:20] Garden, Commissioner Schnell, and Commissioner Geary.
[2:14:26] staff met with the subcommittee to provide requested information for the sports complex each week.
[2:14:33] We had various information exchanges over the course of that time, and along with our regular Monday meetings,
[2:14:40] we've also had discussion with the whole commission on a regularly held meeting,
[2:14:45] and a special meeting to vote on recommended recommendations before you tonight.
[2:14:54] The subcommittee presented the following recommendations at the Finance Commission special meeting.
[2:15:00] And voted on a total of eight separate recommendations for council before you, for consideration.
[2:15:07] And I'll go through each one of the recommendations right now.
[2:15:13] Recommendation number one, and I'll just read through the recommendations as was adopted, or as was approved through the Finance Commission.
[2:15:21] Recommendation number one, sequel first, no agreements until complete.
[2:15:26] Do not execute any agreement contracts or a more useful until sequence fully completed and the city understands what is permissible and at what costs.
[2:15:34] HPC partnership pay for all SQL related costs, scope, studies, environmental services, not the city.
[2:15:44] Recommendation number two issue an RFI to maximize value and resident benefit.
[2:15:49] Issue an RFI immediately to ensure the city receives the best possible suggested upgrades or alternative usage option.
[2:15:56] improve operational and revenue performance and enhance the value that improves revenue to the city and usage by and value to residents.
[2:16:04] Require a formal response by HPSE partners, so city has a formal proposal to review.
[2:16:10] And response should be evaluated by various departments and
[2:16:14] Finance Commission to determine whether continuing with HPSE partners beyond the term the contract is in the city's best interest.
[2:16:24] Recommendation number three all proof up. Sorry all upgrades must follow city procurement rules
[2:16:29] All proof upgrades and change must follow city procurement processes
[2:16:33] Ensuring transparency competitive bidding and compliance with city code and charter and state of and federal
[2:16:40] Requirements
[2:16:42] Recommendation number four established minimum base rent plus revenue share
[2:16:48] Recommendation to create new agreement requiring a guarantee minimum base rent to ensure positive cash flow
[2:16:54] at a revenue sharing structure above the base rent to reward strong
[2:16:58] operator performance.
[2:17:04] Recommendation number five, modernized parking and field use rates.
[2:17:08] Consider removing rate restrictions and direct staff and finance commission to
[2:17:11] develop new market align rates for parking and field use.
[2:17:16] Determined equitable revenue splits between the city and operator.
[2:17:20] And finance commission work to work with staff to create an agreement framework
[2:17:23] that is enforceable and in the city's and residents' best interests.
[2:17:31] Recommendation number six is independent audit of HBSC partners, three agreements.
[2:17:38] Conducted independent audit of financial reporting and operating compliance across all three
[2:17:42] agreements.
[2:17:43] Audit should be directed by finance commission with assistance from city staff.
[2:17:47] Refer any breaches of legal for remediation, termination, and recovery of funds as appropriate.
[2:17:56] Recommendation number seven move agreements over sites to Treasury slash legal engagement
[2:18:02] Management of HBSC agreements to bill crills team and legal also move oversight of a
[2:18:08] Equestrian Center, Metal Lark, and Yacht Club agreements under the same structure
[2:18:11] Place bill crills team under Treasury leadership for stronger financial oversight
[2:18:18] And last but not least recommendation number eight is public engagement before any facility changes
[2:18:24] The recommendation is to engage an independent facilitator to conduct public meetings on all proposed changes.
[2:18:30] No changes to facilities or operations should be preceded until public feedback is collected,
[2:18:35] and findings should be reported to City Council, Finance Commission, CLS, and CLS staff and CLS Commission.
[2:18:47] That concludes the presentation. Any up for questions?
[2:18:51] Any questions?
[2:18:52] Thank you, Zach.
[2:18:57] Mr. Schnelle, you want to come down?
[2:18:58] If
[2:19:07] you could pull up that PowerPoint slide, this attached slide deck,
[2:19:13] this one.
[2:19:14] So I just want to give you guys a little more context on how we got here and why we made the recommendations.
[2:19:20] So let's just get started.
[2:19:22] I think it's important to understand the, if you guys can hear me okay, the history and the financials.
[2:19:27] Keep on going.
[2:19:29] Sure.
[2:19:30] Thank you.
[2:19:32] And I'll go through these quickly.
[2:19:34] So next slide.
[2:19:39] So, a little history, see I understand why some of these recommendations were created.
[2:19:44] This used to be a dump.
[2:19:46] In the 40s, 50s, 60s, it was a 30-acre site.
[2:19:50] It was an online municipal solid waste landfill.
[2:19:54] And it was millions of cubic yards of commercial and household waste up to 35 feet.
[2:19:59] Deep with no...
[2:20:00] The dumb closed. There was a soil layer put on top from 4 to 25 feet. And right now, the primary concerns
[2:20:10] are around methane. It's not a poisonous gas, but it's combustible. And there are VOCs that are coming
[2:20:18] off of the waste. It's matured. And it's saying, here, this is from Jim Merritt, over in Varmel
[2:20:25] team. It's around 40 standard cubic feet per minute. And they have a venting system which we'll
[2:20:31] talk about in a minute. It was also interestingly a mushroom farm. It was the ocean view a mushroom farm.
[2:20:39] You guys might remember that. Next slide.
[2:20:42] So in 96 we had this land gifted to us. I think it was a
[2:20:47] county measure that did that. And on the measure in 96 we had measure L approved it barely passed by a few
[2:20:55] And there was a motion for 1.5 million to construct the light at soccer fields.
[2:21:02] In 2001, the city issued a $31 million bond for several projects,
[2:21:07] 18 million, 400 was earmarked for the sports complex construction.
[2:21:11] After voters approved, 1.5 million to build it.
[2:21:14] Additional spend after the contractor who did phase two,
[2:21:19] which was the batting cages and the offices went bankrupt.
[2:21:23] Next,
[2:21:28] so they use bonds to pay for this.
[2:21:30] The city is still paying off the last bond,
[2:21:33] net present value calculations on the interest
[2:21:35] and the principles around 36 million to date.
[2:21:40] And we still have a few million to go, so it'll end around 40 million.
[2:21:43] We have about 640,000 a year that we need to pay
[2:21:48] up till 2030, and in 2030 we have a payment of 144,000.
[2:21:52] that's attributable directly to the cost of sports complex.
[2:21:56] The bonds are bigger.
[2:21:58] The bonds have a lot of things rolled into them,
[2:22:00] but the part that can be directly attributed
[2:22:02] to the sports complex is about 640,000 a year,
[2:22:06] roughly for the next three years
[2:22:09] and then 144 and we're finally done.
[2:22:11] Since 2001, we finally finished in 2030.
[2:22:17] So the cost that took to build us was 38 to 40 million,
[2:22:21] but that does not include the annual maintenance
[2:22:23] annual capital, like parking lot repairs,
[2:22:27] methane collections, et cetera.
[2:22:28] Next one.
[2:22:30] So we do have ongoing capital.
[2:22:32] We have lights, electrical parking lot,
[2:22:36] three or four million a year in the next few years,
[2:22:38] over the next three or four years.
[2:22:42] So there's extensive gas extraction and monitoring
[2:22:45] going on throughout the complex.
[2:22:48] There's PVC piping that has wells that
[2:22:50] dug to extract out the methane gas and the VOC's. They're vented. The next slide. The basic
[2:22:57] description is here. I'm not going to go through the details. We'll keep moving, but you
[2:23:01] can read this later. And this is actually a layout of all the piping. You can see it's only
[2:23:05] about half the complex. But you can see there's a lot under the parking lot. There's a lot
[2:23:10] under the fields. Next. So there's the layout again if you go next. So it's an aging system
[2:23:18] that we're going to have to replace, it's not sure exactly when, but Jim Meritz, aware of
[2:23:23] this.
[2:23:24] It's 20 years old.
[2:23:26] It's coming time for us to go do it again.
[2:23:28] It's going to be 350 to 800,000.
[2:23:30] Butch was there at the meeting.
[2:23:31] It was very helpful.
[2:23:32] I really appreciate your input.
[2:23:33] Now, because he knows we're talking about it.
[2:23:35] It was very helpful.
[2:23:38] Next.
[2:23:40] So, financial highlights.
[2:23:42] We currently lose around a million a year, running this operation.
[2:23:45] The annual rent brings around 950 a year, 725 is in parking roughly, and that really went
[2:23:53] up quite a bit when we raised from $1,000 to 10.
[2:23:56] The city gets about 200,000 in rent revenue share, the annual costs are around 2 million
[2:24:02] a year, roughly I'll show you in a minute, 650 on the bond, 625 operating, and about 5 to
[2:24:08] 750 average on capital, and 40% of the parking revenue is allocated for capital improvements
[2:24:14] at the Sports Complex by design.
[2:24:17] This slide has a lot of very small numbers on it, but if you want to look later, it explains
[2:24:22] how much we pay in bond payments, how much we bring in in revenue, and the next slide is really
[2:24:28] the punch line.
[2:24:32] About 80% of the money that we bring in is from parking.
[2:24:35] 20% from the revenue share of the actual operations.
[2:24:39] So look at the usage trends.
[2:24:40] This is surprising what happened.
[2:24:42] We looked at a software package, just called PlacerAI, that they talked about before, and I got the data from the city and the actual usage is declining quite a bit.
[2:24:53] From 2223 the total visits were 830 and it's down to 676.
[2:24:58] If you look at the...
[2:25:00] Total unique visitors that's 438 down to 33, non-resident, and then percent of resident results are dropping. Next.
[2:25:10] So, total visits is down 18.6 during the period of HBSC partners managing it.
[2:25:15] Unique visitors is down 12.4% resident visitors is down about 18% non-resident is only down about 2 because they do a lot of travel ball.
[2:25:25] So, the resident share of total visitors is gone from about 36% when they took it over to 32% now.
[2:25:32] Next. So, how does place where AI? This was a question I just want to get this covered.
[2:25:37] They use the phones and anonymous locations at night to figure out where people sleep,
[2:25:42] and then it based on that sleep pattern they decide where someone lives,
[2:25:46] and that's where the zip codes come from that determine where people live.
[2:25:51] And the other question was around teens, and I would have to peer research study, and it's saying that around 95% of teens age 13 to 17 have cell phones, which aligns with my common sense.
[2:26:04] So let's go to the next real quick.
[2:26:08] So update from the HBSC proposal.
[2:26:11] We got a verbal description. It didn't match the PowerPoint exactly. We have some more details to share with you guys.
[2:26:17] It is a 20-year agreement they're looking for, they're looking for the SOAR Academy, which
[2:26:22] would be an enclosed cross-training, 23 acres of sports turt.
[2:26:26] This was new.
[2:26:27] They're talking about, let's see if I can make this work here.
[2:26:32] This is not very bright, but this item here, they want to completely implode and close the
[2:26:37] sports complex to create gates where admission is required for entry.
[2:26:43] They also want to double the parking rates and keep the parking revenue.
[2:26:46] No outside food would be a lot in the sports complex and complete control of all aspects including maintenance
[2:26:53] expense that would be covered by HBSC is unclear
[2:26:56] We've heard different versions of the proposal the challenge as we've had as a finance commission is we don't have any written proposal other than the power point
[2:27:06] Ashley was trying to help me get access to the financial projections
[2:27:09] She's been trying to get me an appointment. They won't release them to us
[2:27:13] because they say they're proprietary so we wanted to go and take a look at what the projections
[2:27:18] are saying they told us 2 million a month and we wanted to see how they would get to that
[2:27:23] level in revenue but we have not been able to see their projections even though we've been asking
[2:27:29] for about four weeks. There's significant legal and environmental challenges around SQA. We're not sure
[2:27:35] what's required if there's EIR, etc. We haven't really had any formal resident input. We've just had
[2:27:41] anecdotal people said, yeah, we'd like this.
[2:27:45] And then there's ongoing issues with the current partner
[2:27:47] agreements, especially concessions and batting
[2:27:50] cages, as you guys know.
[2:27:52] So you saw the recommendations, and I'd be happy to answer
[2:27:56] any questions, but these are what drove our recommendations.
[2:28:00] We were looking for operational performance.
[2:28:02] It's heavily used, but under-optimized, for revenue
[2:28:04] generation, for both the city and the operators.
[2:28:07] Facility upgrades, we're looking at modernized fields,
[2:28:10] and alternatives may expand revenue opportunities.
[2:28:14] It potentially reduced long-term maintenance costs.
[2:28:17] Resonant benefit, we were looking at better ways
[2:28:19] that residents could benefit from this
[2:28:21] and revenue generation for the city.
[2:28:24] 80% of the revenue that flows the city is coming
[2:28:27] from parking and it's costing the city around a million a year.
[2:28:30] So that drove our recommendations, which you saw.
[2:28:34] I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have
[2:28:36] on any of them.
[2:28:38] Are there any questions on any that we made?
[2:28:45] First off, that report's excellent.
[2:28:49] I really, really like it.
[2:28:50] It gave me pause.
[2:28:52] And I'm thinking a lot deeper about this, you know,
[2:28:56] as a result of your report.
[2:28:58] And I just want to say it was the Finance Commission.
[2:29:00] Paul Geary, your guy.
[2:29:03] He's one of my friends.
[2:29:04] He knows each other for many years.
[2:29:06] And he and I are able to bounce ideas.
[2:29:09] A very wholesome discussion.
[2:29:10] And he wanted to suggest, before I forget, two things, two amendments.
[2:29:15] One is, the audit, maybe we could do that, rather than spend money, Paul and I might be able
[2:29:20] to take a look at it.
[2:29:21] And the other was on the Sequa, just to say, maybe there's a different way to do it.
[2:29:24] You guys make the decision.
[2:29:29] I know that you use Placer AI to come up with your figures.
[2:29:35] I know just a little bit, just enough about Placer AI to be dangerous.
[2:29:42] It's not always accurate, you have to have a smartphone for it to work and there's anybody
[2:29:50] that uses smartphones or uses their cell phones behind computer knows that we're signal
[2:29:55] challenge around here, and the signal, you know, the signal can, you know, the signal can,
[2:30:00] We can skew the results. But more than that, your graph was on a downward trend. The HBSC partners,
[2:30:13] their trend, it's on an upward trend. So, you know, I'm trying to make sense of that.
[2:30:19] Glad you asked us, we can go back to that little tiny, if we go back to the dollar slide, if you guys get to scroll back to that.
[2:30:28] So here's sort of back up to that placer AI data that kind of makes sense keep
[2:30:32] on go back to this but they're that spreadsheet so if you look at the parking
[2:30:36] revenue in 22 and 23 I know it's kind of hard to see but it's 130 then it
[2:30:41] goes to 203 and if you can see that top line I know it's hard to see but maybe
[2:30:45] you guys can see it on your monitor I'll try and highlight it if I can it's the
[2:30:49] top line. So it says parking 130 in 2223 and 223 and 223. They jumps to 729 and 713.
[2:31:00] That's when we raise the rates 10 times. So we raise it from $1 to $10 on the weekends, right?
[2:31:06] $1 to 2. So we raised up the revenue that we would expect to see by 10x. But we only saw a revenue jump of
[2:31:16] arguably 300% 3x to 4x.
[2:31:19] So that parking revenue kind of makes sense
[2:31:22] with the Placer AI data kind of lines up,
[2:31:26] we should have seen 10x on parking or roughly.
[2:31:31] So we should have been seeing, you know,
[2:31:33] a million, a million, two, million, four,
[2:31:36] but we're not seeing that.
[2:31:37] We're seeing seven.
[2:31:39] So kind of anecdotally, it lines up.
[2:31:43] My gut says, it's probably pretty close.
[2:31:46] And it makes sense too, because we're getting a lot of travel ball in on the weekends, and so those travel ball players are concentrated not dispersed.
[2:31:57] So we're getting a concentration of people that stay there all day rather than a flow.
[2:32:02] So that also kind of backs it up to me. That's my anecdotal thought.
[2:32:06] Again, not a tack in any of that.
[2:32:08] I just look for maybe some inconsistencies from what HBSC says, and of course they're going
[2:32:17] to pay a rosy picture, and I'm happy to listen to them.
[2:32:23] But I've also checked with our people in Parks and Libraries, and each year we do more.
[2:32:31] there's more, more, there's a steady increase in recreational men's and women's softball
[2:32:38] leagues there and every year it goes up and I mean the numbers huge. I mean I might be
[2:32:43] wrong here but I think we would about seven, eight hundred teams last year, nine hundred. Is
[2:32:49] that sound right, Ashley? I'd have to go back and double-check the numbers. I can do that. So I'm so glad
[2:32:55] to brought that up. Okay. So I know you would. A couple of things about that. So HBSC partners
[2:33:00] runs our adult leagues. They take all the money in, they keep 84 percent, and we get 16 percent.
[2:33:07] They run them. 30 percent of the games are played at the sports complex, 70 percent are played
[2:33:13] in our parks still. So there aren't. There are a lot of teams playing, but it's not like they're
[2:33:20] all in the sports complex. They're still distributed. They're still playing the majority games
[2:33:25] outside the sports complex actually that's all I got. Yeah, thank you. Any other questions? I'm happy to
[2:33:33] hello there's you know thanks for the report good stuff thorough. The one slide that I think we're both in agreement is
[2:33:42] the deficiencies in the usage I think will be overcome by the vision of the sports complex
[2:33:51] operators and that's the premise behind them wanting to improve it, to bring it, you know,
[2:33:59] better fields, better caliber travel teams, more utilization with a soccer, flag football,
[2:34:06] none of that's going on right now to any level of measure.
[2:34:11] So I think we're all in agreement there that we want to build, when I say we, the city wants
[2:34:17] a world-class environment, and to date based on the plans I've seen, I think you have a team
[2:34:24] that's willing to work with you guys and listen and work with us.
[2:34:29] In their most recent plan, I know when they presented, I thought they, and they agree,
[2:34:34] they did a fairly poor job.
[2:34:36] We talked to him after the fact.
[2:34:38] The original vision was they were going to put in about 12 to 13 to 14 million dollars in
[2:34:44] the turf, build the rise of Academy, I don't know if they changed the name to Soar, but
[2:34:48] it was rise, whatever.
[2:34:50] They're going to build that.
[2:34:51] It would also include the batting cages inside, they were going to, they were willing to,
[2:34:58] Um...
[2:35:00] Make on the cost of the lighting. And a lot of things, maybe it's talk, but I think if we can get them to the table, you know, along with the finance commission, the city, and a team that can kind of move these conversations along. I think everybody has the same goal in mind, more revenue for the city, a better complex for the youth people using it, and some we can all be proud of, without the city having to put a bunch of money into it.
[2:35:30] And I know when I spoke to Commissioner Cicero, you know, there is some benefit as well to whoever inevitably does, for example, put in the turf.
[2:35:40] I think we have about $5 million in CapEx that would go by the wayside.
[2:35:47] I don't have my notes here that I took.
[2:35:50] There would be a net positive there.
[2:35:52] We would have the water savings.
[2:35:55] That's not even up for argument.
[2:35:57] It's clearly a savings.
[2:35:58] There's a lot of other things that would factor into the improvements and I'm not here
[2:36:03] lobbying for them or for anybody for that matter.
[2:36:05] I am lobbying for a solution and I think everybody wants to work on it.
[2:36:12] I think we just need some good transparent conversations where three parties are there.
[2:36:17] Finance, operators in the city and I think if we can sit down and have those conversations
[2:36:26] I think we can get to a resolution where we can bring something back to the city, to the residents,
[2:36:33] with input from all three parties, I think we can come up with a winning proposal.
[2:36:38] Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up.
[2:36:41] So we went to Chino Hills and visited them to see how Chino Hills did this agreement.
[2:36:46] They have a 20-year agreement with field of dreams, our big league dreams, my apologies.
[2:36:51] That company pays everything and guarantees 500,000 this year it's going to 600,000 next year.
[2:36:58] They literally pay all expenses, all capital, all infrastructure, everything.
[2:37:06] They pay one up, but they have the restaurants, they have gates, they don't charge for parking.
[2:37:12] So they have a agreement where the city literally pays nothing and they get a minimum of 600,000 plus a 9% revenue on top.
[2:37:22] And my attitude is we can do better.
[2:37:25] Yeah, two things.
[2:37:26] Yeah.
[2:37:27] One, when I talked to the sports complex operators, they said we'd love that deal.
[2:37:33] Give us that deal.
[2:37:34] So keep that in mind, we can hold them to it.
[2:37:36] Secondly, how much did the city put into the complex to improve?
[2:37:42] Chino?
[2:37:42] Yeah.
[2:37:43] Done.
[2:37:44] There is a difference there.
[2:37:46] I mean, I can guarantee those guys.
[2:37:47] I won't speak for them.
[2:37:48] But if you said, well,
[2:37:53] no.
[2:37:54] The state didn't put anyone in the city didn't.
[2:37:57] So if these guys put in 15 million of their own dollars, they would probably say,
[2:38:04] let's trim it back a little bit.
[2:38:05] When we talked about the Chino Hills because they held that out is you guys are saying this is the the gold standard
[2:38:11] They said give us that deal give us 100% control. We'll do that deal. So I think we have a starting point
[2:38:17] Yeah, I would just like to see competition. I think that I'm a free market
[2:38:22] Advocate and free market always says that competition is going to make a better deal for us the
[2:38:27] Residence in the end and my recommendations in my opinion with a rest of the finance commission or out of order
[2:38:34] I actually think they're very first things to be input from the residents.
[2:38:38] Go out and ask them what they want.
[2:38:39] Because they want to do that.
[2:38:41] Well, the problem with that is we're still looking for the answer to the Edison Park.
[2:38:45] It's taken over five years to come out with a plan that everybody could agree on and vote on.
[2:38:51] I mean, when you, we're not saying don't involve the public,
[2:38:53] but there's only so much utilization.
[2:38:56] I don't think anybody's going to propose changing the ball fields.
[2:39:00] You know, that's the core thing.
[2:39:02] So there's not a lot of input on, hey, do you want to change all the baseball fields and turn them into, you know, you know, so I think that's already kind of settled.
[2:39:13] I don't know why would anybody want to go through that.
[2:39:15] You get pushed back on the turf.
[2:39:17] I think they're going to say, this is my guess.
[2:39:21] You're going to get a lot of feedback where they don't want that.
[2:39:24] And I talked to a company called turf fresh that manages turf.
[2:39:27] That's what they do.
[2:39:28] They go out and they like every year, they would do in San Juan Capustralos fields.
[2:39:33] So I asked them, what would this take to take care of these fields every year?
[2:39:36] And they said 150 to 200, roughly 23 acres.
[2:39:40] And one of the things they have to do is take a magnet.
[2:39:43] Every year and get all them met a lot of it because during the year,
[2:39:47] kids play on it, and it's like carpet, right?
[2:39:50] And so they have to do special things.
[2:39:53] And I asked Ryan Gale, who's one of the writers, how do you guys plan on doing this?
[2:40:00] We'll just do with our staff.
[2:40:03] So the thing that I'm worried about is that if some occurrence happened
[2:40:07] out there, which has already happened, where we're involved in a lawsuit in the past, and a kid gets injured,
[2:40:13] and that turf wasn't taken care of properly, we're liable.
[2:40:17] Well, that can happen right now in the outfield, which they're not reliable, they're not liable for
[2:40:22] and so we can happen. Yeah, so there you go. And they're not even liable for the outfield. So
[2:40:26] returns as anchor once to see the site.
[2:40:28] With that said, the beautiful thing about where we're at right now is we have a much more
[2:40:33] business savvy council up here.
[2:40:35] So all these things that are nuanced can all be defined in a lease by definition or operating
[2:40:41] agreements.
[2:40:42] Starts with a proposal.
[2:40:43] Yeah, I get it.
[2:40:44] But I don't think we need to worry about the minutiae right now, like are they going
[2:40:47] to use a magnet?
[2:40:49] I don't know.
[2:40:49] I'm just, we'll dictate what we want as a city and we'll define it in the terms of
[2:40:53] the agreement.
[2:40:54] But all we have right now is a PowerPoint that's loose.
[2:40:56] at best.
[2:40:57] No financial projections.
[2:40:58] Well, they have financial projections.
[2:41:00] Maybe they didn't want to show them to you.
[2:41:01] I've seen them.
[2:41:01] They look pretty strong.
[2:41:03] So, like I said, let's organize.
[2:41:05] Well, I don't know what we're doing here today.
[2:41:07] I understand.
[2:41:07] I should report.
[2:41:08] Thank you.
[2:41:08] Thank you very much.
[2:41:09] Any other questions?
[2:41:10] Yeah.
[2:41:10] Dave, I've got one.
[2:41:12] I'm sorry.
[2:41:15] Right now, you're showing about a 6.4 over 5, 6 years.
[2:41:18] Yeah.
[2:41:19] Loss.
[2:41:20] And that's just from.
[2:41:23] So if you look at each year, you can see how much.
[2:41:26] We have the revenue less expenses, so the revenues right there at the red arrow top red arrow
[2:41:31] So like 2223 we got it 257 in total revenue between the parking and
[2:41:37] And the revenue share rent. That's what we got as checks. Yeah, every year it looks like it's gotten a little better
[2:41:43] Yeah, I would right because they're managing it. They're starting to bring it up right
[2:41:48] But then we got to pay these bonds off and those bonds are not cheap right look at those numbers
[2:41:54] 717, 694, 686, these are big numbers, we're paying every year, right?
[2:41:59] And then you've got capital, and the LED has to be done, because you can't buy the lip bulbs.
[2:42:05] That's how they do it.
[2:42:06] The state, oh, can't get the lip bulbs, so they have to do this, and they're not cheap.
[2:42:10] You can see the numbers, the turf that we had to do, the pumps, the driveway, it adds up.
[2:42:20] All right.
[2:42:20] Well I just I'll tell you I you guys are an amazing resource and I
[2:42:26] You guys I value the hell out of you get the work you guys do I've seen other things and I greatly appreciate everything
[2:42:34] You guys do you guys are volunteers
[2:42:37] I think you had a parking pass every year and that's about yeah
[2:42:40] But I think you guys are great and I appreciate the work you guys do well. We thank you guys for letting us do it
[2:42:53] So, I'm trying to hone in on patterns with your numbers, so when you said 300% directly when they
[2:42:59] 10x on the cost of the parking, but it was only 300% theoretically, it should have been a thousand percent.
[2:43:06] I mean, is that causation or correlation in your opinion? Do you feel as if perhaps the increase in the price drop people away or was it kind of random?
[2:43:14] So, again, this is pure speculation on my part, if I had to guess, I think it's a combination
[2:43:20] of people parking in other places and coming in, taking bigger vehicles in to save, you know,
[2:43:27] that I want to bring into the digital art, I'll bring it there.
[2:43:30] And then it might just be a decrease usage, because that place where I kind of showed that
[2:43:34] it was coming down a little bit, but it's not like crazy, you know, down, but it's their
[2:43:40] concentrating, right? These are travel ball teams that are, you know, they're they're all
[2:43:44] day. Instead of you might get more people if you have more flow. Like I said, what's
[2:43:48] out of you, you're in a camp that you're table all day. In a restaurant, you're not
[2:43:51] going to get as much flow through. It's the same idea. There have this set group of people
[2:43:55] that come in the morning and leave it eight o'clock in night. They're not flowing through.
[2:44:00] You're not getting the flow through. You get an abnormal open field situation. That's what
[2:44:04] I think's doing it. Lower turnaround. And then you mentioned when you and Councilman
[2:44:08] Kennedy were chatting about the field of the dreams, big league dreams.
[2:44:13] Was that, you said that the vendor did put up the cost of the city put up the cost and
[2:44:18] the project over there.
[2:44:19] So the city built a sports complex, similar to what we do, I think there was 16 million.
[2:44:24] Okay.
[2:44:24] Okay.
[2:44:24] They had it.
[2:44:25] And it was not doing well.
[2:44:27] And then they were very unhappy with it.
[2:44:29] They went out and got this vendor who said, it needs to have some upgrades.
[2:44:34] I think they put a couple million into it.
[2:44:36] They did the upgrades and they said we're going to cover all costs and we will guarantee a minimum rent and then a 9% kicker on top
[2:44:45] They pay everything electricity water capital infrastructure
[2:44:50] Okay, so the vendor the vendor invested that the vendor covered that cost everything okay got it and if you want to talk to them
[2:44:57] I could invite them and they can tell you what they did
[2:45:00] And then another question, you know, it's interesting we talked about talking to the public and you know, to the point that there's going to be a million different opinions.
[2:45:06] I think the one opinion that we have taken away is the batting cages, which kind of triggered this to begin with, right?
[2:45:11] The batting cages were the universally accepted activity over there. So did you notice in any of the numbers that when the batting cages stopped that there was a significant decrease or no?
[2:45:22] So, yeah, I mean, the banding cages were bringing about, for us, it doesn't make that big a difference
[2:45:27] because we only get 16 percent, 14 percent, and actually, let me before I forget, it's going to go to 18 percent next September, the revenue share on the next tier.
[2:45:37] So, when they keep saying 15, it's going to 18, but on the banding cages, we just get 16 percent, so about 100,000, it's only 16,000.
[2:45:44] They were doing about 120 a year.
[2:45:46] Now, here's an interesting thing I want to share at Chino Hills, they have banding cages, but they closed them.
[2:45:52] because they charge admission. Nobody would use them.
[2:45:56] Interesting. On the, you said it's going 15 to 18% next year, that's on the step up in the lease.
[2:46:02] We're at 16 today. Yeah. It's going to go to 18 next September by the current contract.
[2:46:08] And the recommendation that they gave us was drop at a 15. That's what they were offering the city.
[2:46:12] Okay. And that, apart that current contract ends at 20.
[2:46:15] So the way it works is there's three tiers. There's three three year terms.
[2:46:20] We're in the fifth year of the middle, we're in the middle of it next year on 9, 7, 27.
[2:46:28] We have the option to renew for three more years and it goes up to 18 percent, or we can
[2:46:33] walk.
[2:46:34] Okay.
[2:46:35] Tell my questions.
[2:46:36] Thank you.
[2:46:41] Do you think because of the price of parking that a lot of people, you mentioned it and Councilman
[2:46:49] group mentioned it to and then one of my student commissioners sitting up there in the audience
[2:46:56] texted me so I can't take total credit for this question. Do you think that the price is driving
[2:47:02] people that drive there on weekends with their kids for little league that they go park at the
[2:47:08] library where it's free? 1,000 percent. Thank you. I see it. We have to figure that one out. Thank you.
[2:47:16] Any other questions?
[2:47:19] I'd like to just kind of maybe roll through with the council up here in terms of these recommendations that were presented to us on the official city PowerPoint slides.
[2:47:31] And actually had an ask and that was you guys to adopt these.
[2:47:34] It's kind of the ask.
[2:47:35] And so just kind of going one by one out of the eight of them when it comes to the first one.
[2:47:40] I guess city attorney, looking at the type of development that is being envisioned.
[2:47:46] You put them on the screen.
[2:47:48] Yeah, be good if we could pull those up.
[2:47:49] You look at for the recommendations, so if you just scroll down, you'll get to them.
[2:47:53] And before we go on, keep in mind again, we're in a study session.
[2:47:57] So we're not voting on anything tonight.
[2:47:59] To adopt recommendations or anything else.
[2:48:03] Oh, we're on his H item?
[2:48:04] No, no, no, we're not.
[2:48:05] We're just kind of married this either way.
[2:48:07] Either way, we're not voting on tonight.
[2:48:09] Yeah, so he may I think but I mean if you guys could look at these and if you say, yeah, let's do it then I
[2:48:16] agendize it and let's yeah, we could do that a later date. I mean basically, you know, appreciate
[2:48:20] There's poor stuff. Okay. Okay.
[2:48:21] I don't need direction from us tonight.
[2:48:23] Making give direct you can get direction, but map out just same as the study session item.
[2:48:30] How do we give direction without a vote as a council as a body?
[2:48:34] You just discuss amongst yourselves and staff will listen to you and come back with an item.
[2:48:41] Okay, I guess I won't try to figure out if we have like five people that are three people that are in disagreement.
[2:48:47] I don't, how do we give direction if we're not taking some tough stuff?
[2:48:52] Yeah, staff will listen to the dialogue and come back.
[2:48:55] All right, so my first question I guess to city attorney on point number one on the recommendations
[2:49:00] when it comes to a development of the scope with the artificial turf and possibly building this indoor facility.
[2:49:08] Do you think that would require some type of sequence analysis before we start that type of development?
[2:49:15] I believe we would need sequence analysis.
[2:49:18] If it's considered a project, which this would be, we would need to do sequel.
[2:49:22] Okay, so I guess along the lines of what the Finance Commission has recommended, I would be an agreement with that recommendation.
[2:49:29] I don't know if anyone would be opposed on on the dice, but that's a legal requirement
[2:49:34] to start something that the council would direct.
[2:49:36] Sure. Okay.
[2:49:37] There is one, there is one thing that Jennifer and I talked about today a little bit
[2:49:42] and about this is one thing to ask.
[2:49:46] So we were saying that HPSC should pay those SQL costs.
[2:49:53] And I wasn't sure if that's normal. So I asked her.
[2:49:56] Jennifer, do you want to come in on how does it normally work?
[2:50:00] Clerk on projects. This is public property, right? So it's a little wonky. But when people have to do these
[2:50:06] sequesteadies, how does that typically work?
[2:50:10] Private development projects pay for their own sequed documents, usually through reimbursement
[2:50:15] agreement to the city since the city's elite agency for sequa. On a public project, it's
[2:50:20] a city council decision.
[2:50:23] Yeah, so you guys would just decide, are they going to pick it up or is the city going to do that?
[2:50:26] for the studies that are required for this.
[2:50:30] On recommendation number two, issuing an RFI was anyone opposed to that request for information
[2:50:36] and putting that out there's kind of getting a sense from, you know, maybe the public in terms
[2:50:39] of what they would like to envision here, there's obviously a lot of ways that we could skin
[2:50:44] the cat.
[2:50:45] So just to clarify, RFI goes to vendors.
[2:50:48] And RFI stands for request for information.
[2:50:51] So we just throw a wide net out to people to say, hey, if you had the opportunity to work
[2:50:56] this area in this sports compass? What would you do? And just see what they come back. But this
[2:51:01] would be also, you know, get one from HBSC partners, obviously as well. It's not a commitment,
[2:51:06] it's more of an information gathering tool. And then speaking to number three, how did you guys
[2:51:10] come up with all upgrades, Ms. Follow, City for Cumer? Yeah, that's a good question. So if you scroll down,
[2:51:16] just a little bit. Thanks for your patience on this. The idea was that the concern was the following.
[2:51:24] If we're going to do millions of dollars worth of capital asset intensive upgrades out there,
[2:51:30] which it sounds like we want to do, the worry was that that money would go through a non-transparent
[2:51:39] pathway, let's just say, into a public asset. And the thought was it would be better if we were to
[2:51:47] have whoever does this work, work through our typical procurement process, so there's competitive
[2:51:55] bidding transparency, because it's ours, right?
[2:51:58] We own this sports complex, so if we're going to build a new solar academy or whatever,
[2:52:03] that should go through the normal processes we have for bidding and all the things that we
[2:52:08] have to do as a city, because it's not like it's a piece of private land, it's like we
[2:52:12] own this, it's ours, so if we just say, hey, go crazy.
[2:52:16] How do we know that they're getting the best deals?
[2:52:20] Now, if they were going to pay for everything, that would be a mood point.
[2:52:25] So, it is an interesting idea they have of transfer in the money that is coming in and
[2:52:31] putting that into this.
[2:52:34] So, I understand your point.
[2:52:35] It's a point we'll take in.
[2:52:36] I think it's a point to think about.
[2:52:39] Like, would we be okay as a city to say, go for it.
[2:52:42] whatever you do, or would you rather see the city have oversight into how they're procuring
[2:52:48] possibly 15-20 million dollars with improvements? It's a point for discussion. Your points
[2:52:53] will take it.
[2:52:56] And it can be interesting. If I could jump in, I think at this point it's something it's a deal
[2:53:00] point that we could look at, but it may also be a legal requirement depending on how the deal
[2:53:05] structured that they have to go through, especially if it's determined to be a public
[2:53:09] course, a typical charter public works contract.
[2:53:11] So I think there's so many nuances I think rather than do this, we should have breakout groups with city manager, legal, community development, community libraries, whatever, in groups of three kind of like what we do for council briefings.
[2:53:30] So that all the questions can be addressed, notated, no brown act violation, but rather than, you know, we're not going to be able to sort anything out right now because there's nuances to everything.
[2:53:41] and we need a laborative answer, so it's kind of a feudal exercise.
[2:53:46] I think we should meet in groups, get detailed answers, meet then with the Finance
[2:53:52] Commissioners, share that, bring in this force complex.
[2:53:56] You know, all this stuff can be happening simultaneously.
[2:53:59] We could be reaching out to the sports complex, say we need a more finite proposal.
[2:54:03] We need to see real projections, while you guys are meeting with different groups and
[2:54:08] we're getting our questions answered on this very thorough report.
[2:54:10] I'm addressing them bullet by bullet.
[2:54:14] We have Jennifer here, so the sports complex guys
[2:54:17] are putting finite information that can be digested
[2:54:22] and discussed, shared with the Finance Commission.
[2:54:25] So they're formulating additional follow-up
[2:54:28] positioning and questions rather than trying
[2:54:31] to figure it out right now,
[2:54:32] because like you said, everything you said,
[2:54:33] it's a little nuanced, that could be this.
[2:54:35] It seems like we're way ahead of it right now.
[2:54:37] That's complex.
[2:54:38] But just to put a scope on it,
[2:54:40] I mean, they told us 2 million a month, is their goal.
[2:54:44] So if you do 2 million a month,
[2:54:45] so I'm 12 months, that's 24 million a year in revenue,
[2:54:47] times 20 years, we're talking real money, half a billion,
[2:54:52] is what they're talking about.
[2:54:54] So this is major, and we need to be careful,
[2:54:58] is my guidance as a,
[2:55:00] Finance Commissioner. Be very careful because they're talking real money here.
[2:55:05] Understood. But nothing has happened without binding documents. They're well-defined.
[2:55:10] I'm just saying the scope, this is a big deal. I understand. Yeah. Yeah.
[2:55:14] Yeah, so Mayor and City Council, so maybe on some of these items, we are looking into it
[2:55:20] from the secret standpoint for what it would be required from the scope of work we're talking about.
[2:55:25] And some of these others, so we could as staff, and not, we can continue to go through these and kind of discuss them.
[2:55:34] But from this discussion, staff can prepare, update those, prepare that, bring it back to Council members, Council briefings, talk with the Finance Commission, their subcommittee, and then come back as we refine each of these.
[2:55:51] Talk to sports complex works for sports complex
[2:55:55] Okay, I think I can simplify it then maybe just any objections to these recommendations is there's anyone on a torpedo any of them
[2:56:02] Or we okay with staff pursuing them and then we'll discuss and like you said in these sort of these breakouts
[2:56:07] We okay with all the teams reasonable for definitely for discussion area cool
[2:56:11] We have until next September. So we have some runway to work through this. It's not like we had to do it tomorrow
[2:56:18] So we're good. All right
[2:56:20] Well, thank you so much, Commissioner Schnault, for presenting that and a well-done hard work.
[2:56:24] Okay, thank you.
[2:56:27] All right, I'm going to do a consent calendar. Does anyone want to pull an item?
[2:56:33] Motion to move.
[2:56:34] Second.
[2:56:36] Motion to second to move consent calendar.
[2:56:37] Item's 19 through 25.
[2:56:41] Item's 19 through 25.
[2:56:43] Councilman Grohl.
[2:56:47] Councilman Kennedy.
[2:56:48] Yes.
[2:56:48] Mayor Pro Temp 20.
[2:56:49] Yes.
[2:56:50] Mayor McKin.
[2:56:51] Yes.
[2:56:51] Councilman Burns.
[2:56:53] Yes.
[2:56:56] Concent items.
[2:56:58] 70.
[2:57:00] All right.
[2:57:00] Moving on item 26.
[2:57:02] Introduction of the proposed Memorand of Understanding with the Hines of Beach Police Officers
[2:57:05] Association.
[2:57:06] Staff please introduce the report.
[2:57:08] Thank you Mayor and City Council.
[2:57:10] Our Assistant City Manager, Marissa Sir, will provide the staff report.
[2:57:23] All right.
[2:57:24] Good evening Mayor McKee and members of the City Council.
[2:57:26] The administrative item before you this evening is the introduction of the proposed Memorand of
[2:57:29] understanding between the City of Huntington Beach and the Huntington Beach Police Officers Association.
[2:57:36] Pursuant to the Myers-Milise Brown Act, which governs employer employee relations for California
[2:57:40] local governments. The City MPOA began negotiating the terms of successor MOU, and anticipation
[2:57:45] of the expiration of the previous MOU, which expired June 30. The tenant of agreement was reached in July,
[2:57:54] and is presented for council consideration for formal review and consideration at this time.
[2:58:00] Note that for student to city ordinance 41-54, the item sign is an introduction.
[2:58:03] The proposed MOU will tend to be placed on the September 1 City Council agenda for formal vote.
[2:58:12] So getting into the key terms of the TA, they include a three-year agreement with base salary increases July 1 of each year of the agreement as follows.
[2:58:20] 2026, 8%, 2027, 4%, 2028, 5%, city medical contribution increases in January 1 of years 2 and 3 of
[2:58:30] the MUU would be an increase of $75 per month for employee only. $150 per month for employee
[2:58:38] plus 1 and $200 per month for family coverage. The total projected cost per cent to the terms
[2:58:43] of the TA is roughly $9.8 million.
[2:58:49] Since this is the introduction of the TA and proposed
[2:58:52] I'm a U, the recommended action for this evening is simply to receive and consider the proposed
[2:58:55] MOU.
[2:58:57] And with that we're available for any questions.
[2:58:59] Thank you, Marissa.
[2:59:00] Any questions?
[2:59:03] Yeah?
[2:59:10] Okay.
[2:59:10] Thank you.
[2:59:12] So, as in life, you know, there's a couple of things that are true, many things are true, but
[2:59:17] two things can be true at the same time.
[2:59:21] Number one, I fully support our public safety.
[2:59:24] I believe we have incredible law enforcement, incredible fire, rain safety, but I also believe that my job, my fiduciary responsibilities, to our taxpayers.
[2:59:37] So I want to just go through these 10 slides.
[2:59:40] I'll do it quickly.
[2:59:41] I'll just touch on some different things.
[2:59:43] I just get a little summary.
[2:59:46] One thing I want to address, one of the, you know, they make recommendations.
[2:59:49] This came to me from a finance commissioner, this deck.
[2:59:52] Not just to me, it came to a couple of other council members, it came to our city manager,
[2:59:56] it came to our treasurer, and because I get-
[3:00:00] Maybe you can only send to the three people. I don't know, but we're going to go through right now, quick point of order.
[3:00:05] Just a point of order, question. Just for clarification. So this is not staff produced.
[3:00:12] Directed data.
[3:00:14] This is okay. Someone in their individual capacity that passed.
[3:00:17] Right. But I did verify that numbers are factual. They were vetted by our treasurer's department.
[3:00:25] So that's a given.
[3:00:26] But that said, they make recommendations and I wanted to make this one statement.
[3:00:32] One of the recommendations was to close three fire departments, just from a personal standpoint,
[3:00:37] because I'm the one that introduced this deck.
[3:00:39] I just want to go on the record and say, I would never support closing the fire stations.
[3:00:46] So I just wanted to make sure because I think there's a little bit of a shock wave from those
[3:00:51] who read that.
[3:00:52] So that's the one that brought it forward.
[3:00:53] I want to let you know that me, I won't speak for anybody here, would never support that.
[3:00:59] So let's just go through these slides real quick.
[3:01:01] I want to say something real quick.
[3:01:03] He's in the end.
[3:01:05] I believe our finance commission is incredible.
[3:01:08] Every time they produce reports, it's thorough.
[3:01:11] And when commissioner, the chairman, Mr. Lagroso,
[3:01:16] made the recommendation that he believes that finance has the opportunity to take a look at this,
[3:01:22] I 100% unequivocally agree with the chairman, Mr. Lagroso.
[3:01:29] So that's kind of the reason I wanted to share this information.
[3:01:32] So we'll go through these slides quickly.
[3:01:33] No big operation.
[3:01:34] Can you just get the first slide right there?
[3:01:36] This is just basically shows a pie chart.
[3:01:39] Anybody can dig into these later.
[3:01:41] I think it was attached to the agenda.
[3:01:42] This is a pie chart showing where the money's suspended.
[3:01:46] So if you go to the next slide,
[3:01:50] let me see what you got.
[3:01:50] This one, you know, this is from Transparent California, this is just showing somebody
[3:01:56] once said, hey we want to show respect to our law enforcement and I said respect doesn't
[3:02:02] have to be paid for. I have the utmost respect for law enforcement, fire, marine safety,
[3:02:08] but that doesn't mean if I'm not in a position to one allocating a big chunk of public dollars
[3:02:14] that I don't respect our public safety.
[3:02:18] So this is just the top 50 people.
[3:02:21] This represents $20 million a year in the top 50 people.
[3:02:25] So if respect was determined by wages,
[3:02:28] I would say we respect our public safety
[3:02:31] because 50 people equate to $20 million annually in payroll.
[3:02:36] Next slide.
[3:02:38] This just shows the top 50, just a reiteration, base wage over time.
[3:02:46] So I believe, personally, we have a problem with the over time.
[3:02:50] I would love to see our public safety figure out a way to...
[3:02:55] I understand some of it has to be accrued, but we have an enormous amount of OT.
[3:03:04] I also want to touch on one thing.
[3:03:06] So the one gentleman from the Police Department, since something was so valuable, he said one law enforcement officer equates to a lot of good public safety metrics.
[3:03:18] Now, we have 196 swans right now based on report that came from the POA, but we've funded 214 or 211.
[3:03:33] Now, the public said, hey, we were cutting our police.
[3:03:39] Now, what we did was we took some unfunded wrecks
[3:03:42] and took them off the budget, because they were a placeholder.
[3:03:45] They were costing our budget an allocation.
[3:03:48] But we have 211 fully funded positions,
[3:03:54] of which we have either 1.96 or 1.98.
[3:03:57] We have anywhere from 14, 12 to 14 fully funded positions
[3:04:02] that they haven't filled, so they're gonna say it's hard to fill.
[3:04:07] I don't think money's the issue and why we're not filling.
[3:04:10] We're clearly paying our law enforcement very well.
[3:04:13] So if you can go to slide four,
[3:04:15] a lot of these are just kind of getting a point of order real quick.
[3:04:18] Is that all right, Mayor?
[3:04:21] Yeah.
[3:04:22] So you said that you had verified these numbers.
[3:04:24] Did you bother to sit down with a fire chief or police chief
[3:04:28] to verify these numbers or get in any context on them?
[3:04:31] I sat down with Chief Park with the treasurer did he go over these slides did you are there any inaccuracies that you see in these slides sir
[3:04:42] I haven't had the chance to look at these in depth, so I can't talk about significant inaccuracies, but I haven't had the opportunity to go through
[3:04:50] 67% of our general funds spent on public safety that's that's fabulous from the budget book is that correct Mr. Treasurer
[3:05:01] That would seem correct for me.
[3:05:04] Okay. Transparent California, 50 of the top runners from Transparent California, equate to $20 million.
[3:05:10] That doesn't need to be fact checked. You can do the math. Right here, the overtime, the wages.
[3:05:16] Basically, the top 50 people in the average, it says here in slide 2, 401,000 total average compensation.
[3:05:23] That's mathematical. That didn't need to be verified.
[3:05:25] And so on the next slide, slide three up here, our projected deficit, we've heard about it.
[3:05:32] It's 15 million.
[3:05:33] I think that's been verified.
[3:05:35] They're talking about the overtime spending, fire, police, and other roughly 18 million.
[3:05:41] I think we've all talked about that and we've seen those numbers have been justified.
[3:05:45] Their ascertaination was if you could cut that in half, you could cut the budget deficit
[3:05:48] in half.
[3:05:50] Some, you know, some OT can be avoided, some is necessary.
[3:05:53] I get it.
[3:05:54] So far, let's go to slide four, and this again just shows that the majority of our OT is actually coming from our top earners, the people that are really in command and not on the streets, I believe that's their job.
[3:06:10] but so there's a huge surge in OT.
[3:06:15] So that's slide four.
[3:06:18] Slide five is basically just showing that,
[3:06:20] you know, we basically, in 2023,
[3:06:26] the previous council awarded a contract
[3:06:30] that was known as a legacy contract.
[3:06:34] One then was gonna bring everybody up to par.
[3:06:36] Now, and put them in a position to get laterals, attract new talent, and we received a document from the POA that said it really wasn't quite working that well.
[3:06:51] My belief is, when you raise your wage, so does everybody else, even cities that are facing real financial problems aren't afraid to continue to spend until they're going to be looking at potential bankruptcies.
[3:07:04] So we gave a legacy not we the previous council legacy contract now that legacy contract is the expectation
[3:07:11] It's now the norm so you know so much for what I would call the legacy contract so on slide six
[3:07:19] This basically was just showing I tried to do a little bit of cursory
[3:07:24] Investigation it says standard standard municipal model Huntington Beach model
[3:07:28] Some AI said we're a little over the top, but I didn't get enough information to really go
[3:07:34] elaborative on this slide.
[3:07:36] I believe it's fairly on point.
[3:07:38] We do have a lot of OT that I think based on what I did in my research, we're really ahead
[3:07:44] of the standard municipal model.
[3:07:47] Slide 7 basically is just a reiteration of the top earners, you know, our top earners
[3:07:53] are basically we're number 3 behind Anaheim and Irvine.
[3:07:57] 50% of the OTE is an outlier, 30% to 40% is more on the regional norms, so my takeaway
[3:08:05] on this slide was, you know, in any contract, we need to figure out a way to try and
[3:08:11] reel in some of the OTE because it is expensive.
[3:08:16] The next slide, it's more about OTE, but it's referencing fire, and tonight we're talking
[3:08:24] a police slide number nine is talking about restoring economic solvency infrastructure sacrifice.
[3:08:33] It says we're basically outpacing our peers, so it is, you'll see in a minute, the projected
[3:08:41] budget deficit over the next five years is absolutely enormous.
[3:08:45] I think it's going to add up to about 170 million, so it's no longer a hey, we were
[3:08:54] surplus when you see these numbers that are undisputed, they came from, it came from the finance,
[3:09:00] it also came from the city. They're about $170 million. So if we go to slide number 10,
[3:09:07] the cost being surveyed on the new contract, year one, basically what this summarizes is,
[3:09:15] this is going to cost us $20 million a year by the time we get to year three because if you
[3:09:22] We had a hundred million dollar budget, and the next year you were at a hundred and four,
[3:09:26] the next year you were at a hundred and six, so for two years you were at two hundred and
[3:09:30] ten, and then you had another ten.
[3:09:32] So in the year three, you're basically three hundred and twenty million dollars, so it's twenty
[3:09:38] million dollars per year that carries forward because it's incremental in regards to the cost
[3:09:45] increase.
[3:09:47] In slide 11, it's just a reiteration, basically seeing the new MLU could cost us $20 million a year over the next 30 years.
[3:09:54] And that amount increases substantially if fire asks for a similar...
[3:10:00] Contract, we could take substitute against substantially higher.
[3:10:04] So, the five year basically forecast on the budget deficit, this supported by our Treasury department,
[3:10:12] fiscal year 2627, let's just round it up to 19, 20, 20, 27 28, we can around that up to 27
[3:10:18] million, 28, 29 we can round it down to 34, 2930 we can around it to 445 fiscal year 31, 476.
[3:10:29] So you add up those five years, you're talking about over the next five years, a $172 million budget deficit.
[3:10:37] And the only way we hear budget deficits, we're going to try and drive additional revenue.
[3:10:42] But the city put together some forecasts over the next four years of a 10% growth growth rate.
[3:10:48] And talking to the treasure and the CFO, even if we did grow at 10%, which incidentally,
[3:10:56] We've been essentially flat over the last five to six years in growth.
[3:11:00] It's been, you know, maybe a hundred basis points, a hundred and five basis points.
[3:11:05] No or near 10%, there's no possible way we will ever be able to cover this deficit with new revenue.
[3:11:13] We're going to do things to try and drive new revenue.
[3:11:15] But we have to be serious about this budget deficit.
[3:11:19] It's massive.
[3:11:21] It's for real.
[3:11:22] And it's not going to go away.
[3:11:24] And we're not going to be, basically, if we have to go into the reserve funds every year,
[3:11:28] like we did last year, or maybe we didn't, and we thought we did, we came over a million
[3:11:33] dollar surplus.
[3:11:34] But when you're trying to make 18 million, 30 million, 35, 44, go away, if you're going
[3:11:40] into those reserve funds, you will be spent out, you will be depleted in five years.
[3:11:48] And that's not just chicken little, hey, the sky is falling.
[3:11:51] And these are real things we need to address again.
[3:11:54] Two things can be true at the same time.
[3:11:57] I can love public safety and think we have an incredible job.
[3:12:00] Crime is down, homelessness down, people, love hunnies and beach, fire department, best
[3:12:05] of the class.
[3:12:06] I tell them all the time.
[3:12:06] There's nobody better than our fire department, but I still have to be a fiduciary with
[3:12:11] our public tax dollars.
[3:12:12] And when you're looking at $170 million budget deficit that everybody's in support of in regards
[3:12:18] to accuracy of the forecast of deficit.
[3:12:20] We better be taking a real look at what we're going to do starting with these contracts so the five-year
[3:12:26] forecast, same thing, that's the last line, so I'm going to make a motion, I'm going to make a motion to
[3:12:35] table agenda item 26, ask the incredible finance commission to create a subcommittee take a look at
[3:12:42] the financial impact of this MOU contract to the general fund and provide options to avoid bankruptcy,
[3:12:47] not chicken little skies falling it's it's real if we don't address it. I'd also like to
[3:12:53] direct the city manager and the CFO in conjunction with the city treasure to prepare a five to 10 year
[3:12:59] financial analysis of the city's finances and bankruptcy risks in light of the police MOU and other upcoming labor
[3:13:07] contracts unfunded pension liabilities and reserve levels. Then prepare a series of financial options available for the city
[3:13:14] counsel to avoid bankruptcy the next 5 to 10 years as it pertains to a financial timeline.
[3:13:22] So that is my motion.
[3:13:29] I was kind of surprised because I definitely, I couldn't believe the numbers on the overtime.
[3:13:37] And I was pretty stoked to see the officers from the POA and some of the other officers
[3:13:42] come and mention how much the over time they've been working, because I know as a manager
[3:13:49] I always like, I think the Long Beach out of policy that the guys had to take some vacation.
[3:13:56] Every year they had to take time off because it leads to fatigue, mistakes, injury, and all kinds of other things that overwork
[3:14:10] So I was kind of stoked to see you guys recognize that, and I don't mind everybody making
[3:14:19] over time.
[3:14:20] I mean, I want to pay as much as we can, but that's the key.
[3:14:24] I want to pay all our employees as much as we can if we have it, but right now what's
[3:14:33] being painted to us, what's being explained to us is we don't have it.
[3:14:38] And rather than give it in hope, I'd rather have it prepared and planned that we can pay it.
[3:14:46] I don't want to do it on a borrow or like I say, hope.
[3:14:51] I just, and it scares the hell out of me, because treasure, I'm sorry, isn't there a man?
[3:15:01] We can't just do all of our reserves. We have to maintain a certain amount, right?
[3:15:11] So I think you have to separate your general fund reserves from your total reserves.
[3:15:15] So our total reserve pool is called roughly $500 million.
[3:15:19] Our general reserves. I'm going to look at my CFO as well. I think it's 160 right now. Give her take.
[3:15:25] about 100.
[3:15:28] Okay, so my number was higher from the actual reserve requirements.
[3:15:33] There's recommendations for the GFOA to typically have about two months worth of the general fund.
[3:15:40] Yeah, that's what I thought I thought it was a mandate, okay.
[3:15:43] But it's not a mandate, but it's smart to have that this man, the reserves in hand,
[3:15:53] just to be a safe financially sound or city and of course the more reserves that we have the
[3:16:00] stronger we are to prepare for maybe much stakes or disasters. We have to also separate. So the
[3:16:09] aggregate reserves include obviously as you call it, you know the enterprise funds and everything else.
[3:16:13] Those are almost all and I'm going to look at the city manager because we've talked about this before.
[3:16:18] Those are almost all bound by state law or by charter vote or other things that make it very
[3:16:23] what we can do, so the general fund is the piece that we touch for things like operating expenses.
[3:16:29] And the other kind of elephant around that I don't I don't I think we've missed a little bit
[3:16:34] and referring to is we're talking about huge amounts of money increases in salaries.
[3:16:41] And our our biggest liability just about is our pension liability debt, right?
[3:16:48] our pension liability? Is not one of our largest? We have tons of pension liability and any kind
[3:16:57] of increases such as this adds to that, doesn't it? Sure, I mean, yeah. Yes. Any increases to
[3:17:07] labor costs, what increase in and culprous liability costs? Seeing that, that also worries me. So
[3:17:15] There's a right now, I think there's still so much more we have to look into, like the prep.
[3:17:22] And especially now, after seeing that report, those guys do and seeing others, they're
[3:17:26] our finance committee.
[3:17:27] They do an incredible job.
[3:17:32] It's an amazing job in explaining things and coming up with the facts.
[3:17:37] I'm going to second on's motion and just say again, I want to be able to pay our all our employees, public service, I love them, I love our fire, I love our police, but man, I don't like not being prepared to pay appropriately or go into debt doing it.
[3:17:55] So I want to a little more study to see how maybe we can shift, maybe we can form some revenue, more revenue, and just get a little organized.
[3:18:05] in debt before we dive into such a scary case.
[3:18:10] If I may for this motion in second, the municipal code
[3:18:14] does require that we bring back in the council vote on the proposed MOU within 30 days of the introduction.
[3:18:21] So we were tentatively looking at September 1st meeting just to keep in mind,
[3:18:24] we need to bring it back by the 15th, the second meeting in September.
[3:18:28] In terms of time to table it.
[3:18:30] or we could potentially vote on it tonight.
[3:18:34] No, no.
[3:18:35] It's not agenda.
[3:18:36] It's to be voted on tonight.
[3:18:37] OK, so you're seeing if this motion passes,
[3:18:41] we have to come back prepared to vote.
[3:18:44] Yes, we know by the 15th of September.
[3:18:46] Correct.
[3:18:47] Is that what you said?
[3:18:47] Correct.
[3:18:48] I mean, if that's what's required by the charter,
[3:18:51] then that's what's required.
[3:18:54] OK, so I just want to...
[3:18:56] There's a lot of numbers being thrown out here.
[3:18:58] I want to throw some of these numbers into perspective,
[3:18:59] because I think we're conflating financial issues all over the city and putting it in on the
[3:19:03] backs of the police officers right now. So, $170 million deficit, those are projected numbers
[3:19:09] correct. Correct. And those are based on assumptions in which we are fully funding each year
[3:19:18] in the budget, the unfilled positions correct. How many is that right now? I believe around
[3:19:25] 90 to 95 individuals so I haven't done the 90 to 95 and then how much on average is each position?
[3:19:33] If I have about probably one 50 so one 50 so we're talking about roughly 12 to 15 million dollars then
[3:19:42] easily so 12 so that's how every single year we go in with a budget deficit and then we end up with a surplus
[3:19:48] Is because what we have to do is we have to fund the unfilled positions knowing that the positions aren't going to get filled
[3:19:54] And then we add that money back to the budget which is in addition to other money that comes in and under
[3:20:00] That's probably the lion's share of how, in many cases, we end up with a surplus correct.
[3:20:06] It's a combination of management hiring, so you have make a position cycle on field, just like you mentioned.
[3:20:13] But you also have various other factors to where you have adopted projects that may not be going.
[3:20:21] Yeah, that's right.
[3:20:22] There's multiple mechanisms.
[3:20:24] So when we're looking out and we're saying 170 million on a projected deficit, we're not taking into consideration the fact that we're going to then ultimately reconcile the budget each year.
[3:20:34] But the other piece that I want to bring up here is, as we're looking at this, we're talking about in agreement at nine million dollars a year, right?
[3:20:41] Because a lot of that is health insurance, so it's not 100 percent perusable.
[3:20:44] So that's three million dollars each year over the next three years. That's three million dollars. Now we budget automatically 3 percent correct.
[3:20:53] That's what we included in the 2067 budget.
[3:20:56] Okay, so we're budgeting one point.
[3:20:58] We're budgeting basically 1.5 million a year because it's about a 500,000 per percentage point.
[3:21:04] Of the three percent, yes.
[3:21:05] So we're budgeting 1.5 million.
[3:21:07] The ask is three million.
[3:21:09] So the net difference is 1.5 million a year over the next three years.
[3:21:13] Now granted, I understand there's some compounded increase this year on your correct.
[3:21:18] Correct.
[3:21:19] I believe the first year we would ask for an additional appropriation of 2.7 to 2.7 beyond budget.
[3:21:27] Yes, because I think the recommend the tenet of agreement for the first years 8 percent
[3:21:32] and we budget three. So you have an additional 5 percent that you got to count four.
[3:21:36] And so which is the 2.7 that. Okay, so 2.7 million the first year and then the second year
[3:21:41] and the delta would be 1.5 million. I did not do the analysis for the second year as far as
[3:21:46] appropriation we would ask for, but that would be built into the budget if that's approved.
[3:21:50] Okay, so 2.7, the first year is the largest year, so just basic math we can assume
[3:21:54] that it's cut in half because we go 8, 4, 5.
[3:21:57] Okay, so 2.7, cut in half, then let's just go down to 1.5 and 1.5.
[3:22:02] So we're talking about 2.7 million dollar increase in the first year, 1.5 and the next year,
[3:22:06] 1.5 and the next year to put 170 million dollar deficit on a 2.5 million dollar increase
[3:22:12] across officers of which there's 240 officers, technically, well, a lot of number of officers
[3:22:18] is 224 that amortizes somewhat lightly across the entire pool of officers.
[3:22:25] So for me, I mean, we all obviously agree that public safety is the most fundamental responsibility
[3:22:30] we have every single day, but we're competing with police departments throughout Orange County
[3:22:33] for qualified officers.
[3:22:35] One of the things that we've talked about extensively throughout this entire meeting is over
[3:22:39] So in the absence of the bodies to fill the positions, we end up with this increase in overtime.
[3:22:44] I know just from running businesses that ultimately when you have an access amount of overtime and you split those positions,
[3:22:50] you bring in another body, you decrease the overtime.
[3:22:53] So I would imagine that if we fill these positions, there's also going to be a decrease in the overtime overall.
[3:23:00] One other thing I want to make mention of because it was brought up on multiple occasions about the timing of this agreement and how suspect it is.
[3:23:07] this agreement we started this negotiation in November of 2025 I mean this is legally
[3:23:14] how the process has to occur and we're actually beyond the point at which this agreement
[3:23:19] should have been made so this agreement should have been made was it July 1st?
[3:23:24] It expired June 30th yeah. It expired June 30th so we agreed to rush this and try and
[3:23:30] retroactively obviously make this agreement come to fruition so the timing is the time and
[3:23:35] I don't think the election, you know, we can't control that legally the only way in which
[3:23:41] the labor union can make their agreements as a group as a pact and they're stuck to
[3:23:46] this specific timeline.
[3:23:48] But I also want to bring out the fact that if you look at all the other cities right now,
[3:23:52] which I've done right, so in Huntington Beach specifically looking at the salaries of police
[3:23:56] officers, police currently account for roughly 30 cents on every dollar or 30 percent
[3:24:01] of Huntington Beach's general fund right and give or take a percentage point on that based
[3:24:05] on the way in which people interpret this.
[3:24:08] So to put that in perspective, fountain values around 31%
[3:24:11] Santa Ana is around 38% and Anaheim is around 39%
[3:24:15] Garden Grove is at 47% and Fullerton is 47% as well.
[3:24:19] So the idea that Huntington Beach is devoting some extraordinary
[3:24:22] share of its resources to policing simply isn't supported
[3:24:25] by the numbers.
[3:24:27] And for me, it's all about, okay, this is obviously,
[3:24:31] look, you know, for us to get into the top five.
[3:24:35] we did a comparable from the very beginning.
[3:24:37] And this is important information for the public.
[3:24:40] The Huntington Police Officer's Association was 12 out of 12.
[3:24:44] And a city agreed upon survey in base pay, right, for the entire county.
[3:24:49] And the survey showed that we were 9 out of 12 in total compensation.
[3:24:54] So this agreement would put us just barely maybe on the outside of the top five.
[3:25:00] So the question we have to ask ourselves is, we obviously, in a perfect world, we would want to get the first place, because I think Huntington Beach is a law and order city. Unfortunately, we can't get there. So, to tough decision, it's a balancing act that we have to take.
[3:25:12] So, you can't point of order, Mayor?
[3:25:15] Yeah. On those two facts, Zach, we were never 12, and we were never 9 in any discussions, and the tables we were shown, that's not where we were placed.
[3:25:30] Are you talking about total comm service?
[3:25:32] In the total comm service that we agreed upon to look at in comparing to other cities.
[3:25:38] The RLS, bottom of the barrel, 12 out of 12 on base pay and 9 out of 12 on total comm.
[3:25:43] We need to confirm the numbers exactly, but it was the bottom of it with it when it was just base pay and then maybe 7th when we were.
[3:25:51] 9 out of 12 on the RLS.
[3:25:52] I don't think it's going with me, but it's two different ones.
[3:25:57] Bottom of the barrel, 12 out of 12.
[3:25:59] On base bay.
[3:26:01] And nine out of 12 on total calm.
[3:26:03] What that shows you is we gave a legacy contract three years ago,
[3:26:07] and everybody else just raised their ways too.
[3:26:09] It's what I call in the business will erase to the bottom.
[3:26:12] I mean, you know, can we call the question?
[3:26:15] You know, there's been a motion in a second.
[3:26:19] Well, I mean, we're not allowed to talk.
[3:26:21] you're allowed to do.
[3:26:22] Oh, I mean, Chad doesn't all the time.
[3:26:24] He calls it, you know, he interrupts the conversation.
[3:26:25] He says he's a point of order called the question.
[3:26:27] And then somebody says time to vote for personal insults.
[3:26:30] It's kind of like my opportunity to deliver.
[3:26:34] I just like everybody else.
[3:26:35] I see a whole of the question that don't we.
[3:26:37] You know, the vote on it, but I mean,
[3:26:39] was this the kind of vote on the question, too?
[3:26:41] But it's time to talk about it.
[3:26:43] Yeah, I should all be able to say something.
[3:26:45] So Councilman Grohl was talking.
[3:26:47] I think it just kind of got hijacked there a little bit.
[3:26:50] I mean, I think the, you know, generally speaking, the point I'm making is that it's important
[3:26:54] to put this in context.
[3:26:55] So I look at it as if we're budgeting, if we were budgeting 3% year on year, right, the
[3:26:59] Delta that we're making up to try and get our police officers into a market in which we
[3:27:03] can bring in more officers, ideally cut over time, in addition to the great work that they
[3:27:08] already do.
[3:27:09] But I mean, we're lean on officers right now.
[3:27:11] So we've got to be able to bring people in.
[3:27:12] It's the free market.
[3:27:13] I know you say it's a race to the bottom, but it's also the free market working.
[3:27:16] If we're training officers and then losing laterals to other cities, you know, where the ones who are actually funding the training for other cities to then pick up the rest of all of their expertise.
[3:27:26] So for us, it's important about keeping officers, making sure that we can bring in new officers, fill some of these positions.
[3:27:32] You know, do I think that it's a phenomenal deal? No, do I think that it's difficult for the city? Yes, but when we look at it from the perspective of just the money, we can't keep putting all of the onus on the backs of the police officers.
[3:27:45] when there's an entire financial situation and we need to consider.
[3:27:49] So the 170 million dollar number on the backs of this 1.5 million a year deal is just
[3:27:54] not just I think that it's not on the backs of just police. I talked about the me too,
[3:28:01] the fire is going to come on, all the other the unions that are coming on board. This sets of
[3:28:06] precedent. It tables a baseline, police and fire. They kind of work in symmetry. So it's not,
[3:28:13] I'm not just saying this is all because of an MOU for the police department.
[3:28:17] This is all part of a collective period of time here where we have to make some decisions.
[3:28:24] Are we able to do this?
[3:28:26] Are we able to overcome these kinds of deficits?
[3:28:29] And we've got 15 funded positions that they have not filled.
[3:28:33] And that's been that way for a long period of time.
[3:28:42] All right, just kind of go back to the information, the suspect information I'll say on
[3:28:46] I'd like to ask Chief Tara if Councilman Kennedy ever bothered to sit down with you to go over the numbers.
[3:28:53] I answered no.
[3:28:54] I'm asking Chief Tara.
[3:28:57] Can I?
[3:28:58] I'm just trying to get a line of reasoning on the record here.
[3:29:02] If I could Councilman Kennedy.
[3:29:04] And so my question, Chief Tara, did you ever sit down with you to go verify any of the numbers on these slides or get context on them?
[3:29:12] I haven't reviewed this with anyone.
[3:29:15] And then same question to you Chief McCoy did, Councilman Kennedy ever sit down to go over these numbers to verify them or get any context from you.
[3:29:23] I have the same answer, I haven't reviewed this with anyone.
[3:29:26] And so it seemed to be the case that you went to the city treasure to get justification,
[3:29:32] or validation of these numbers.
[3:29:34] I guess my question to the city manager is that not wildly inappropriate to be going to the city treasure to do the costing on this.
[3:29:42] with this not fall into the finance department and the heads of the department with the fire and police.
[3:29:49] We do definitely have staff that could provide information.
[3:29:54] I mean, is it appropriate?
[3:29:56] Is it the City Chargers Office that should be verifying these numbers?
[3:30:00] Should the city treasure be doing the costing?
[3:30:05] I guess I don't know who did this cost. He didn't do the costing. The costing was done by a finance commissioner. And before I was able to, before I would be willing to publish this, I made sure that these numbers were supported by somebody who would know. And that is our treasure. Okay, so that's your, your basis. I guess I'd like to go to the finance department. Is that, can you say that these numbers that were presented? Are, are, are, are, are, are they solid? Are they suspect in any way?
[3:30:32] I can only speak to two of the slides, because those are the slides that I present it in our previous meetings in closed sessions.
[3:30:44] So again, I can only verify two of the slides for a certain that I had produced those numbers, but other than that, the other numbers I have not had.
[3:30:51] And where the numbers accurate on the slides?
[3:30:53] Oh, sorry.
[3:30:54] Are the numbers on these slides accurate
[3:30:56] against what you've had on all of this slides?
[3:30:59] No, the two that he's been party two.
[3:31:03] Yes, that's those of the numbers that are provided on slide.
[3:31:08] Which, can you put those slides up?
[3:31:10] Is that?
[3:31:11] 12 and 13.
[3:31:12] 10, 12 and 13.
[3:31:13] 10, 12 and 13.
[3:31:14] OK, so those two slides, that's it.
[3:31:16] Resolids, 10, 12 and 13.
[3:31:17] OK, three slides.
[3:31:19] But apart from that, you can't verify the other side
[3:31:21] to can't speak to them.
[3:31:23] Not at this moment, no.
[3:31:24] OK, great.
[3:31:25] Now when it comes to the total costing of this contract, which
[3:31:28] is a slightly north of 9 million, it works out to about 3 million
[3:31:32] or so a year, I would say nobody, like our first responders,
[3:31:37] has contributed to solving this budget deficit,
[3:31:40] like they have.
[3:31:41] And so Chief, if you look at how many positions were recently
[3:31:45] defunded, how much savings towards the city would come from,
[3:31:48] those, is it 13 physicians that were defunded?
[3:31:54] There were 13 physicians that were the funding was removed.
[3:32:00] They weren't taken off the books, but that ends up being about 3.4 million.
[3:32:03] So on an annual basis, right there, that alone 3.4 million dollars back into the general fund allocated.
[3:32:11] Currently, Huntington Beach Police Department has a total of 25 vacancies by my
[3:32:17] it looks like that comes to about 4 million per year. That's sworn and not sworn. Okay, correct.
[3:32:23] So that's another 4 million, again, towards solving this budget deficit. And my understanding is
[3:32:29] you guys have made a commitment to reduce over time by 5%. And what would that come out to be
[3:32:36] in terms of monetary value? Roughly 430,000. So a 3.4 million per year plus 4 million
[3:32:43] per year plus 430,000, so on an annual basis, the total savings on an annual basis is $7.8 million.
[3:32:52] And some change, $30,000.
[3:32:54] So, like I said, nobody, you know, like Fire or HPD, HPPD has contributed to solving this budget deficit
[3:33:03] in such a way.
[3:33:06] And so, Councilman Kennedy, they never bothered to sit down with the chiefs to go and verify these numbers.
[3:33:12] And the bottom line is that, you know, this is 10 months of good faith to go shading that we have been going over where our professionals have sat across from their professionals and we have come to a tentative agreement.
[3:33:25] And so to suddenly kick this back to the Finance Commission when we are already out of contract that contract expired.
[3:33:32] I don't think that that's the appropriate thing to be doing really it's just sabotaging a tentative agreement that we already have in place.
[3:33:38] So we all knew that this vote was coming and if you want to vote against it, that's perfectly
[3:33:43] fine.
[3:33:44] I would like to make a motion and it's a substitute motion to move the staff recommended
[3:33:50] action item.
[3:33:51] I said that would be my substitute motion that I'll make.
[3:33:54] Again, I just want to make it clear to the public we are not voting on the kind.
[3:33:59] Correct.
[3:34:00] The substitute motion is to move the staff recommended action.
[3:34:06] But let's do it for a second and then when you want to see it.
[3:34:08] You guys all get to talk all the time, I'm going to say something.
[3:34:14] Sorry, you guys talk a lot.
[3:34:17] So this was not easy for any of us.
[3:34:20] One of our first promises was public safety to reduce crime,
[3:34:25] to reduce homelessness, and we've done that.
[3:34:28] Yes, we did do the whole legacy contract.
[3:34:31] But to say that that didn't give us any benefits, it's not true.
[3:34:37] Chief Paara, have we been able to do better in recruiting and retaining,
[3:34:42] or at least retaining?
[3:34:43] Because a lot of the people, the recruits were coming here,
[3:34:46] getting their training from Huntington Beach,
[3:34:48] and then leaving somewhere else.
[3:34:50] Have we improved in our retention?
[3:34:53] So we, after the last contract,
[3:34:56] we saw an increase in applications.
[3:35:00] 337 T1, second, city, we're talking about people in front of all the leaders of our
[3:35:07] city, and then we are talking to people. And they all say the same thing that our city has
[3:35:12] safer because of what our police and our fire have done. Now to say now we're doing
[3:35:17] a fire, they're going to ask for the same thing. They don't have a recoup and retention
[3:35:23] problem. They're our differences. And it's not like we're not taking steps to mitigate some of what
[3:35:28] is going to cost, but given the fact that the 13 positions were defunded just not too long ago,
[3:35:34] saving over $3.4 million, you know, the vacancies that we have and the promise that they
[3:35:42] will be reducing over a time by 5% does make up for a lot of that money. This isn't easy
[3:35:48] for anyone. We just want to make sure that our city is still safe. We want to make sure that
[3:35:53] our tourists want to come back. The last thing we want is another problem. You can walk down the
[3:35:58] blocks without bumping into five, six, seven homeless people. That's not the downtown we have
[3:36:04] today. We have tourists that haven't been here in years. One of them said he hadn't been here
[3:36:09] in a decade, but he came downtown in our city with so much cleaner, so much better. They came back
[3:36:14] and brought their family. We rely on those tourism dollars. The survival of our city relies on the
[3:36:21] tourism dollars. So like I said, this wasn't easy, but there were benefits and what we
[3:36:28] done and I want to make sure that we continue to have honey to be to be the safe city that it is.
[3:36:35] And it's not like I said it's not easy. Sometimes we have to make our decisions and that's a
[3:36:39] commitment. We made one we decided to set up here on council.
[3:36:45] I'll jump in. Can you put up that slide
[3:36:47] 12 from the presentation?
[3:36:52] Yes, please.
[3:37:08] Thank you. Zach, that's the one, right?
[3:37:16] Yes, you
[3:37:18] The first thing to say when you first started out is, is totally true, is two things in
[3:37:22] the same time.
[3:37:24] Like, we've core support public safety, no one wrote a government, you know, very proud
[3:37:28] of the work we've done these last four years, all-time almost reduction numbers, crimes
[3:37:32] on 27%, but then you can also care about your fiduciary responsibility to the taxpayers
[3:37:39] and the residents to make sure your city is strong financially and so on.
[3:37:43] And there's been a lot of numbers like thrown out tonight by other council members and
[3:37:48] And what's clear, this whole process, all I've ever asked is like, how do we pay for it?
[3:37:54] And we've got now two people saying in our culinary CFO that these numbers are correct.
[3:37:59] And we were told earlier that we had 150 million in reserves.
[3:38:03] CFO is so we actually only have 100.
[3:38:05] But just add these numbers up, 40, 70, 70, 75, 110.
[3:38:11] I mean by 29, 30, we're out of reserves.
[3:38:14] And if someone disagrees with me, let me know.
[3:38:17] But that means by 20, 9, 30, you're essentially bankrupt.
[3:38:21] And you have to look to Samford and Dino.
[3:38:24] You see what's going on along me try now?
[3:38:25] They've got a crazy sales tax over there,
[3:38:27] like 11.25%, article just came out a couple of weeks ago.
[3:38:32] They had to lay off tons of people, including public safety,
[3:38:35] cutting services.
[3:38:36] So I think it's totally prudent.
[3:38:38] We have time between now and mid September.
[3:38:41] Finance commission was up on the sports complex.
[3:38:44] And everyone was seeing in their praises
[3:38:45] on their financial analysis and you know options to get this done is totally reasonable to
[3:38:52] ask them to do the same thing. So hey guys this is we verify these numbers from the
[3:38:57] CFOs saying this is accurate. We hear some options you guys can implement in our
[3:39:02] opinion to avoid bankruptcy. It's also very prudent to ask them the CFO along with the city
[3:39:07] manager and the treasurer per council member Kennedy's motion to do the same thing to clear
[3:39:13] all this confusion on which numbers are accurate and which aren't, like let's have two different groups come back to us
[3:39:19] to verify but also provide solutions to avoid bankruptcy.
[3:39:23] Because he just said the CFO said these numbers are accurate and by 2930 you're bankrupt, it's over.
[3:39:29] And I've, you know, her discussion is like if we can get to 2031, 2032, you can bend the calipers curve down
[3:39:35] when the younger pepper employees take over and all that debt load starts to decrease
[3:39:40] We pay off our pension obligation bonds. If we can get enough runaway to get to 2031-2032
[3:39:46] We'll stay solvent. We'll be strong financially at the same time. We're all working on a lot of great things to bring in revenue like the sports complex
[3:39:52] It's a big deal
[3:39:53] Finance Commissioner should all talk about it like we want to take our time and get it done right landify. I think that's that's a no-brainer, right?
[3:40:00] So work in conjunction and then find a way to pay for this and get us on strong financial footing to
[3:40:05] whether the storm, I think is totally appropriate. I think it's prudent. I think it's reasonable.
[3:40:09] I think it's rational. They have retro to July 1st. So, again, by the code, it's September 15th.
[3:40:17] I just think it's totally rational for Councilor Kenney's idea. To use what we have here, use our commissioners,
[3:40:22] use our CFO, use our city manager, use our treasure to come back before we vote on it. And that's why I support
[3:40:28] I can't use motion because we have time to do it. It's totally reasonable. And I don't really see a counter argument not to do that. We have the time to do it.
[3:40:34] Let's look for help from our professionals and see if we can weather this storm financially to pay our police officers.
[3:40:40] All the other labor contracts we have coming up, stay solvent, get through the storm and then we'll be good on the other side.
[3:40:46] Mayor, make sure we're making sure we make one comment.
[3:40:49] I'm gonna clarify, I'm something councilmember Williams said.
[3:40:52] Council Member Kennedy called the City Manager and then subsequently meet together on a conference call last night.
[3:40:59] Specifically asking about this presentation.
[3:41:02] Subsequent to that, I spent all night trying to validate the numbers because they're from publicly held sources.
[3:41:08] Our budget books and transparency California for the pieces I knew and I specifically asked the City Manager with regard to slide this slide and the other ones that are related to the finance piece of the component.
[3:41:18] So this has all three pieces of the picture brought together.
[3:41:23] We're not none of us are vouching for any assertions that are made in here.
[3:41:28] We're only vouching for the numbers as best we could do on less than 24 hours of validation
[3:41:33] time.
[3:41:33] Quite frankly, that's extraordinarily fast, and if these numbers are remotely true, even
[3:41:39] close, given what our general fund reserves, my read as a lawyer, as the city treasure
[3:41:44] who's independent of this council would be that if this were to play out as evidence here,
[3:41:51] given our current reserve levels, and I would like to see measures see if he disagrees
[3:41:55] or a city attorney, this would require us to declare a fiscal emergency and potentially
[3:41:59] file for chapter 9 bankruptcy.
[3:42:07] Okay, and so just to be clear, baked into these numbers,
[3:42:09] baked into these numbers is the assumption that we are filling all positions, fully funding
[3:42:15] all positions. Is that correct, that? Yes. I mean, I would like to see a chart that may
[3:42:22] be, you know, projects realistically, the reality, right, of not, because we're just adding
[3:42:27] upon adding on top of that. But again, tonight, this does seem to be falling on the backs
[3:42:32] of our police and as much as people want to wax eloquently about how much they value them.
[3:42:37] Really, what determines the value of something is how much you're willing to pay for it. You
[3:42:40] think about a commodity like gold or silver. It's only worth as much as you're willing
[3:42:44] pay for it. If tomorrow we just decide it's another worthless metal, then what is it?
[3:42:48] And so what determines the value of something is how much you are willing to pay for it.
[3:42:52] So you can say with your mouth that we value the police, but when it really comes down to it,
[3:42:56] push comes the shove, you know, action speak louder than words. Whether or not we have the money,
[3:43:01] we do have the money. We have north of $300 million in our general fund. It's just a matter of
[3:43:06] how is that money allocated? And when you consider the cost of this contract, which is just
[3:43:12] slightly north of $3 million per year, but you look at the savings, $7.8 million dollars.
[3:43:18] They give back to us on an annual basis.
[3:43:20] They're bottom of the barrel when it comes to base pay, 12 out of 12.
[3:43:26] 9 out of 12 when it comes to total compensation.
[3:43:29] And so I don't think that this is prudent.
[3:43:31] This is procedural sabotage.
[3:43:33] We've been working on this for 10 months.
[3:43:35] The opportunity to kick this back to the Finance Commission was many months ago.
[3:43:39] This is procedural sabotage, and so the substitute motion if I can get a second is to move the staff recommended action.
[3:43:49] Can you read a vote against it if you want to?
[3:43:51] There's one cost though that you heard the guys talk about the overtime, and this is something that I always worried about.
[3:43:59] Like I say, there's a cost that is immeasurable kind of in working that much overtime.
[3:44:06] there's the fatigue which leads to injuries which means to burn out which can lead to
[3:44:13] trouble and all that and that's kind of that can bite us in the behind bay and
[3:44:19] it's irresponsible for us to put that burden on these guys to work that much
[3:44:23] overtime. I want to pay him. It's just scary to me that between that kind of
[3:44:29] aspect and these numbers that I don't think we were given a clear picture on the
[3:44:36] devastation, it was going to do to us.
[3:44:38] Well, if we could fill these positions with a competitive contract, then we won't be happy
[3:44:43] to fill the void with this over time.
[3:44:46] And so, and some of the two motions out there, can we get a second for the two?
[3:44:49] Yep, the two.
[3:44:49] I'm going to segment.
[3:44:50] I just want to say, I want to re-put this in context.
[3:44:53] We've made some bold statements here.
[3:44:55] We're talking about 170 million dollar deaths that we're talking about filing bankruptcy in
[3:44:58] the city.
[3:44:59] We are...
[3:45:00] Discussing a $1.5 million increase for three years. That's all we're discussing right now. So to take a $1.5 million increase, over and above what's been budgeted on an average, you can push that out to $1.819 to suggest then that that is going to end up with $177 million deficit. That's just not fair to make that comparison.
[3:45:21] Well, council member, girl, that's why the TV can show the screen of that. We're looking at, I mean, do you dispute these numbers?
[3:45:27] I do dispute those numbers because those numbers assume that we're fully filling 95 positions every single year over the next five years, which we all know is not going to happen.
[3:45:36] And there's going to be a surplus that's added back to it every single year.
[3:45:39] There's savings, assumptions are based on we're not filling anything.
[3:45:42] No, no, you're right, structurally. No, no, you're correct, structurally, but regardless, money and you know that we're not going to end up
[3:45:51] But those numbers could potentially drive us into bankruptcy, but those are thumb-suck numbers,
[3:45:57] those are projections.
[3:45:58] $1.5 million increase for the next three years is not going to drive the country.
[3:46:02] That's basically not feeling anything.
[3:46:04] The other thing is that nobody comes on here to work for Heinz and Beach PD based on a base
[3:46:08] pay.
[3:46:09] They look at the holistic approach.
[3:46:11] What's the average wage for a patrolman, like a new hire?
[3:46:15] It's basically pay, it's benefits, so the whole package is what somebody looks at.
[3:46:21] When I'm getting hired into coming, I don't go,
[3:46:23] what's my hourly rate?
[3:46:25] No, what am I getting holistically?
[3:46:27] And that's how you hire people.
[3:46:28] You don't just go, hey, we're low on the base page.
[3:46:31] But by the time you add in everything else,
[3:46:33] you're not at the bottom of the door.
[3:46:34] You had officers without fail come to the microphone this evening,
[3:46:38] talking about how important those numbers are.
[3:46:41] And if we're not competitive, the danger of losing officers.
[3:46:45] So I'll take it from that.
[3:46:46] The one that risk life in London.
[3:46:48] What I don't understand is like we have time.
[3:46:50] The Finance Commission meets before even our next meeting.
[3:46:54] There's time I believe for the CFO and the City Manager and the Treasurer.
[3:46:58] It's a verify these numbers you guys are throwing about a million and a half for this and that.
[3:47:01] When we all agree this charts real, you guys don't believe it is.
[3:47:04] So I don't understand why we can't allow the Finance Commission to review it at the same time as CFO.
[3:47:09] City Manager and the Treasurer, because it's going to happen before we vote on it.
[3:47:12] Why would you guys not be for that? I don't understand.
[3:47:14] That's just good being a good financial steward and say, hey guys, is this accurate?
[3:47:18] these numbers that we're throwing out are under is this accurate or is this what we're looking
[3:47:21] on the screen accurate that slide and our CFO says it is. So let's let them verify the data,
[3:47:27] they can do average, you know, over the years of how many staff positions we've filled,
[3:47:30] hopefully these numbers aren't as bad as it looks on this chart, and then come back with solutions
[3:47:34] that we can pay for. That's that's just sound, private, prudent, financial planning,
[3:47:39] anyone who do that in your home, your business, be an honest city council member.
[3:47:42] Or they consider the other unions and employees throughout the city that we're going to have to want to pay.
[3:47:52] And that's what's also scared.
[3:47:53] So I also consider it.
[3:47:55] So I'll second Chad's motion.
[3:47:57] All right.
[3:47:58] Take it.
[3:47:59] Can I just get a clarification?
[3:48:02] Real quick.
[3:48:03] Because I agree with everybody.
[3:48:05] I agree with the, I agree with the, you know, being financial stewards and that's part of our
[3:48:10] responsibility and you can't look past that. I also love our our police. No matter what
[3:48:19] we do tonight, we're still looking at 30 days down the road to approve this MOU. Is that correct?
[3:48:27] This is part of the procedure if if we don't go forward with this procedure, then really.
[3:48:33] We're knocking it off the rails. Is that right? We're not voting on approving the MOU until
[3:48:38] for 30 days right to be abundantly clear again to the public there's no vote on the mo
[3:48:44] you tonight it has to be it has to come back within 30 days so finance commission is going
[3:48:49] to look at it anyway no matter what we vote on tonight correct today it's just to receive
[3:48:54] and consider yeah but i think the council committee motion he's asking the finance commission
[3:48:58] between now and then to come back with report analysis recommendations and also
[3:49:03] to do that anyway, no matter how we vote.
[3:49:06] Yeah, but I think we've got to give direction.
[3:49:08] I would imagine, yeah, I've got to give direction to do it.
[3:49:11] Did you have a meeting between now and then?
[3:49:13] We have a direction on the sports complex, but they did it.
[3:49:17] I think we got to do it.
[3:49:18] No, we got, we give direction on the sports complex.
[3:49:20] We did it.
[3:49:21] I wasn't wrong.
[3:49:22] City Attorney, is the finance commission actually weigh in
[3:49:26] on whether or not they think that the agreement
[3:49:28] that was negotiated is a good deal or bad deal?
[3:49:31] Can they make any value judgment like that?
[3:49:32] they can certainly look at the numbers and I think that was the motion was to look at the number
[3:49:37] that verified. Should I restate the motion? We got 30 days anyway. Why not have them look at it?
[3:49:43] It's still we still get the vote on in 30 days. Is that correct? All right, let's go down this route.
[3:49:48] You know, they they come back with a recommendation not to move forward on it and then where do we go from there?
[3:49:54] So we have a tentative agreement. I mean, are we not now opening our seats? You would have to go.
[3:49:58] What's the journey? Are we not open?
[3:50:00] We're meeting ourselves up to potential litigation after entering into a tentative agreement that we already
[3:50:04] agreed upon, they agreed upon, and then we want to try and walk that back.
[3:50:08] Well, I mean, I think there's two questions. Number one, I think the motion is to have them look at the numbers, not to make a value judgment on whether or not to adopt the MOU or not.
[3:50:18] And I would...
[3:50:19] I mean, there are already making value judgments on shutting down firehouses. I mean, this was the Finance Commission that put this presentation forward.
[3:50:26] There wasn't the Finance Commission, it was one commissioner, and he made suggestions, you know, they make suggestions all the time, they don't have a vote, they make suggestions, we take some, we don't take some, that's what the commission does.
[3:50:37] The bottom line is, as Councilman William said, excuse me, twining, we're going to be voting, they could come back with the greatest solution, and we put it to a vote, this MOU, and it could pass, so again, we're not voting on this.
[3:50:55] So let's just let them take a look at it.
[3:50:58] Maybe we'll give us something that we all even feel better about.
[3:51:01] And most importantly, the public feels better about it.
[3:51:04] It's good for the police.
[3:51:05] It's good for fire.
[3:51:05] It's good for the city.
[3:51:07] Who knows what they'll come up with?
[3:51:08] But you've touted them so many different times.
[3:51:11] Now for some reason, you don't want to give them just the opportunities to just substantiate
[3:51:16] the numbers.
[3:51:17] A lot of numbers moving around, support them, substantiate them, dispute them, and make a recommendation
[3:51:23] that we can talk about. And then we'll call the question on the vote and the chips will fall,
[3:51:29] wherever they fall. Well, I think that I just want to go on record it. If I'm voting for the
[3:51:33] ammo, I would vote for it. However, since we're not voting on the ammo, you tonight,
[3:51:40] I will listen to whatever anybody says to me, but if we vote on the ammo, you tonight,
[3:51:44] I'd vote for it. So, Attorney, can you walk us through this because, you know, and I'm also the new
[3:51:51] How many votes does it take before acceptance? And what's the timeline look like on that vote?
[3:51:56] It takes four votes. No, I know it takes four votes. I'm sorry. How many
[3:52:01] sessions? Oh, I'm sorry. I'm like that seemed like a pretty simple question
[3:52:08] So under a meeting code and I just I inadvertently just deleted it. It's two points something and
[3:52:14] Also under the Myers-Mellias Brown Act once a ton of agreement is brought forward
[3:52:19] you have 30 days to act on it, our municode, the coin ordinance, adds a little bit different
[3:52:27] of a procedural piece to it, where you bring it, you bring it to the agreement, to the
[3:52:32] council, the council looks at it, reviews it, and then it comes back within 30 days after
[3:52:39] that is brought to the council. So that's the process that we've created on these meetings.
[3:52:43] It's 30 days from today. Within 30 days. Within 30 days from today, to get codified.
[3:52:48] So no matter how I vote on this, it's not coming back for 30 days, and honestly I don't care if the finance commission looks at it, that's fine. Let them look at it, you know, I'm fine with that.
[3:53:01] But if we're voting on the MOU tonight, we're not voting on the MOU tonight.
[3:53:04] Yeah, I would vote for it.
[3:53:06] Again, I would, if there's direction to the finance commission, it's just that they look at the numbers, not that they describe any value judgment to the contract itself.
[3:53:15] Yeah, that language didn't call for value, just look at it, get together with finance, get
[3:53:22] together with the CFO, get together with the commission, their subcommittee, get together
[3:53:28] the city manager, and collectively look at it, but this is what these guys do, these guys
[3:53:34] are incredible at finance commissioning. That's why they're touted all the time. So let
[3:53:40] them take a look at it, the vote's going to come back, it'll be retroactive back to the
[3:53:44] expiration of the contract, and so whatever it gets passed, they will get paid, and you
[3:53:51] know, just look at it this way. We're trying to be fiduciaries for the citizens.
[3:53:56] They're votes coming. They're votes coming, and if there's four people up here that still
[3:54:00] have that will to pass it, there might be seven all of a sudden.
[3:54:06] It's also maximum transparency, right?
[3:54:09] Why don't you tell us what the coin acronym stands for? It's open to the negotiations, correct?
[3:54:13] What's the sea stand for again?
[3:54:17] The rest is open to negotiations.
[3:54:20] What is it?
[3:54:22] Civic open to negotiations coin.
[3:54:24] So, I mean, just by doing that,
[3:54:27] it's going to make the whole city feel better.
[3:54:28] Feel like, you know, before we approve something,
[3:54:30] they had a little bit of an ear to how it works,
[3:54:34] and maybe it'll pass with a majority of all seven,
[3:54:37] and that feel even better for the residents.
[3:54:40] Yeah, I think they're beautiful.
[3:54:42] People that are here in the room,
[3:54:43] they've got good instincts and those are watching right now clear as a day this is a delay
[3:54:47] tactic this isn't really procedures you don't agree with each other
[3:54:50] you put a motion to the other we're investigating and we'll see each other this
[3:54:54] okay see what you want to attempt this abitage of the agreement where do you
[3:54:58] have to send it to the ground it was in place anyway
[3:55:00] The substitute motion got a second, so let's go ahead and take a vote on that.
[3:55:07] The finance commissioner doesn't get the look at the commission.
[3:55:11] Yes, it's just voting. Can't they look at it anyway?
[3:55:15] Well, then you could vote for it. If you think they could look at it after you voted for this, but
[3:55:20] and they can confer with you because you're going to wind up voting on it again later, right?
[3:55:25] So let's just move this ball forward instead of delaying and sabotaging.
[3:55:28] But if we move this forward, the Finance Commission can still look at this, including everybody
[3:55:33] else, and we can have the same process and procedure, but we're sticking to a tighter
[3:55:36] timeline upon which we've already spent 10 months with experts back and forth discussing
[3:55:41] this exact matter.
[3:55:44] But it's not going to, no matter how we vote, yes or no, it's still going to go another
[3:55:47] month, right?
[3:55:49] No, not necessarily, because if we vote today, then we vote the next meeting.
[3:55:53] You're not voting today.
[3:55:57] I meant the read out today then we would vote next meeting.
[3:56:02] Today is only receive and consider.
[3:56:05] That's it.
[3:56:06] Correct.
[3:56:13] That's it.
[3:56:14] What's the motion now?
[3:56:16] Where are we at?
[3:56:17] The substitute motion to move the staff recommended action.
[3:56:23] No changes.
[3:56:24] Move forward status quo as recommended.
[3:56:30] It's a substitute motion. It gets heard first. Okay, we vote.
[3:56:39] Subtitute motion first and second.
[3:56:50] So we're hearing the substitute motion. Yes, which is to simply move forward status quo.
[3:56:56] What staff recommended. Councilman, girl. Yes. Councilman, Kennedy. No.
[3:57:03] Mayor, mayer per 10, 20. I'll let the finance commission look at it, so no.
[3:57:09] Mayor McKin.
[3:57:11] No.
[3:57:12] Councilman Burns.
[3:57:15] Councilwoman Vandermark.
[3:57:17] Councilman Williams.
[3:57:21] Motion fails.
[3:57:22] Three, four.
[3:57:26] So can we vote on the original motion?
[3:57:28] Yes, please.
[3:57:33] So could we get that motion again?
[3:57:35] I don't think.
[3:57:36] May you read it again?
[3:57:38] But three, it's slowly and clearly so we can capture that in our.
[3:57:43] I'd like to make a motion to table agenda item 26.
[3:57:48] So council member, we don't need to table it, it's got to come back.
[3:57:52] Okay, so reframe that for sense.
[3:57:56] So I'd like to make a motion to have the final answer.
[3:58:00] Okay, so I'd like to make a motion to ask the Finance Commission to create a subcommittee
[3:58:06] to look at the financial impact of this MOU contract.
[3:58:12] To the general fund and provide options to avoid bankruptcy,
[3:58:19] I'd also like to direct
[3:58:20] the city manager in the CFO in conjunction with the city treasurer to prepare a five
[3:58:26] and ten-year financial analysis of the city's finances and bankruptcy risk in light
[3:58:32] of the police MOU and other upcoming labor contracts, unfunded pension liabilities, and
[3:58:42] reserve levels, then prepare a series of financial options available for the City Council to avoid
[3:58:51] bankruptcy in the five and ten year financial timelines.
[3:58:59] You will put a time limit on that and how much time finance means?
[3:59:01] I'd like to make a substitute motion to make that exactly what Councilman Kennedy said two weeks.
[3:59:08] Next meeting.
[3:59:09] You could amend it, right?
[3:59:15] We have two commissioners here.
[3:59:17] We allowed to ask them if they can do that in two weeks.
[3:59:23] I mean, you can make a motion to reconsider but
[3:59:25] and we could just move along and get this thing done.
[3:59:28] You can make a motion to reconsider since you were on the other end.
[3:59:30] This is getting twisted and really messed up in my opinion.
[3:59:37] If the very end, it's not fair to the POA.
[3:59:42] You're right, it's not fair. You can make that motion to reconsider, but okay, two weeks.
[3:59:49] I'll second that.
[3:59:52] So, he just shown the time frame to two weeks, our next meeting.
[3:59:58] To have the financial...
[4:00:00] Report, and the MOU come back?
[4:00:02] Well, yeah, I mean, the subcommittee formed in me with you, you know, it's a bit of a mask.
[4:00:07] You amended, you amended, don'ts a motion to add it two week time line to that.
[4:00:11] You know, I'm hoping that our finance commissioners, you know, are up for the task.
[4:00:16] We'll see.
[4:00:19] Good.
[4:00:22] Put it on the substitute motion is stated by Councilman Kennedy with the two week time frame for the next council meeting.
[4:00:30] Councilman Grohl.
[4:00:33] No.
[4:00:34] Councilman Kennedy.
[4:00:37] Mayor Pro Tem-20.
[4:00:38] Yes.
[4:00:39] Mayor McKin.
[4:00:39] Yes.
[4:00:40] Councilman Burns.
[4:00:42] Councilwoman Vandermark.
[4:00:45] Councilman Williams.
[4:00:47] Motion passes.
[4:00:49] Three.
[4:00:52] All right.
[4:00:53] Up next.
[4:00:53] Item 27.
[4:00:54] Approval of the Design and Language for the American 250 plaque at Pierre Plaza.
[4:00:59] Please introduce the report.
[4:01:09] Ashley Weissaki, our community and library services director will provide the report.
[4:01:15] Thank you, Ashley.
[4:01:16] Good evening, Mayor McKee and members of the City Council.
[4:01:18] This evening, we will be discussing the America 250 plaque at Pier Plaza.
[4:01:23] As far as background goes on July 21, 2021,
[4:01:27] 2026 meetings, City Council approved council member item 2668,
[4:01:32] setting aside resolution number 2017-25,
[4:01:35] and directed staff to create an engraving template memorializing the America 250 celebration
[4:01:42] with a on one of the black granite panels located at the Peer Plaza Monument with the final draft
[4:01:48] brought back tonight for consideration. Staff are also directed to work with the Historic Resources Board
[4:01:52] in the Community and Library Services Commission.
[4:01:57] So in anticipation of the Historic Resources Board meeting,
[4:02:00] staff work directly with Mayor McKin, Council Member Burns and Kennedy, and the proposed 24 by 36 inch plaque, as you see on the screen was developed.
[4:02:12] It components of all of the plaques include the American 250 logo, a placeholder for a commemoration date that will be determined at a later date.
[4:02:19] And then the Verbage Huntington Beach celebrates America's 250th birthday as a patriotic city,
[4:02:25] proudly honoring and thanking all those who served our great nation, who remind us that
[4:02:29] freedom is not free. Additionally, Councilmember Names, the city manager's name, two cannons in the city
[4:02:35] seal were included in the design. On Monday, August 10, the historic resources board held a special
[4:02:42] meeting to discuss the plaque and they provided some additional edits. They moved the cannons in city seal
[4:02:49] above the Council and City Manager's names.
[4:02:53] They felt that the Council and City Manager are foundational to the community or to the city.
[4:02:58] And so those names should be moved below.
[4:02:59] And then by also moving the cannons and the city seal breaks up the text so that there's
[4:03:07] some separation between each of the areas.
[4:03:10] And additionally, they shortened the language of the quote.
[4:03:13] And wanted to make sure that freedom is not free.
[4:03:16] Was its own standalone headline.
[4:03:20] Then on Wednesday, August 12, the Community and Library Services Commission reviewed the plaque and you can see here additional edits were made.
[4:03:27] They requested that the text have some variation in italics and text style.
[4:03:32] In addition to making the names at the bottom have some bullets that then there's additional separation within the text.
[4:03:41] So, before you this evening is the recommended, the request from City Council to approve,
[4:03:52] the design inscription for the American 250 Celebration plaque at the Pierre Plaza Memorial,
[4:03:57] with the most recent iteration being what was recommended by the Community and Library Services Commission.
[4:04:02] Ashley, can you put up the one that I sent in today?
[4:04:06] Yes.
[4:04:07] Julie can do that.
[4:04:08] All right, so my my parks commissioner worked on this as well. I think that one looks way better
[4:04:15] So obviously I would not to finalize it tonight, but I know if you could put on my side by side. That just space is cleaner
[4:04:22] the HP logo is a little bit smaller. The cannons have a white better
[4:04:26] Blast than the previous ones that look more cartonian my opinion
[4:04:30] Don't know if the guys can sandblast that's that's a question for the plaque designers
[4:04:34] But I just think if you can, I don't know if Katie guys put up, Julie maybe the other one like side by side a little bit.
[4:04:40] There you go.
[4:04:42] Nice job.
[4:04:43] Yeah there you go.
[4:04:44] So I just think that looks cleaner.
[4:04:46] It's the names are stacked appropriately.
[4:04:49] It's got good symmetry.
[4:04:51] So we don't have to decide and I think freedom is not free.
[4:04:53] You can slide up a little bit.
[4:04:55] But if my colleagues agree, I think that one on the left looks way better.
[4:04:59] And then the question is, you know.
[4:05:00] Can they, actually, physically do that, is a question, right?
[4:05:03] Yes. So my understanding from the sandblast company is that the fine detail that you'll see in
[4:05:10] the cannon blast is not possible. They can try to get close. And then what also is not possible
[4:05:17] is the shading that you see in the cannon blast. I did ask specifically about the marbling
[4:05:24] is what I'll call it in the text and that is something that they can accomplish. So what
[4:05:29] we do need to make sure is that the sizing of the font doesn't drop below an inch,
[4:05:34] it can get a little bit lower than that, but again the detail between printing a brass
[4:05:39] plaque versus sand blasting on granite are two different mediums and so there are some
[4:05:43] limitations.
[4:05:44] So we're not confident on the cannon blast themselves being doable and then what was
[4:05:50] all she said that if the text is too small?
[4:05:52] If the text drops below an inch, right now I know that some of the text was supposed to be
[4:05:58] point eight inches, that is possible, but getting smaller than that starts to create some
[4:06:04] complications.
[4:06:05] Yeah, but if we can go back to them and all of my colleagues with the one on the left,
[4:06:09] I think it's getting closer.
[4:06:12] Again, this is like forever.
[4:06:13] We were just down there at the period today, and I mean, there's still all these big panels
[4:06:16] where this would really be located.
[4:06:18] I saw the commemoration when that, I guess the plaque, Monima down there, was, it was a
[4:06:27] ask them how close to this we can get to it and then you know love maybe next
[4:06:32] meeting after to finalize it. But I just like I took all the input from
[4:06:35] HRB and then community library services and kind of get to this point where I
[4:06:39] think you know the name stack well and spacing and all that symmetry. What do you
[4:06:44] guys think? I like the one on the list better. So the names on the one on the
[4:06:50] right are hard to read. Yeah, my name is spelled correctly. Oh, that's the one on the left.
[4:06:56] It's all a matter to know.
[4:06:57] Super important.
[4:06:59] I like the one on the left.
[4:07:00] Okay.
[4:07:01] Do you guys get with that?
[4:07:03] I think I would have this.
[4:07:03] This is the first opportunity we actually finally get to have some input on this.
[4:07:08] So, I mean, I would like to see, I mean, I don't feel like we need to have our names
[4:07:11] on it.
[4:07:12] It would save a lot of space.
[4:07:13] And I'd rather put some of the mental honor recipients that come from money to beach on
[4:07:17] that plaque because those are guys that actually paid for freedom with their blood, because
[4:07:21] like John Baca or Chris Carr.
[4:07:23] So I think their names deserve to be on that plaque far more and I'd be more than happy to remove
[4:07:30] My name to make some space. I don't think our names really need to be on there. We're hardly we're a speck in the dust of this 250 years of history
[4:07:40] comments questions
[4:07:41] I would say I
[4:07:45] Love the veterans. We have a car park. We have a bulk apart. We've got both parks commemorating those war heroes no doubt about it
[4:07:54] You know, I think that, you know, it's okay if our council name is on there because we're
[4:08:01] part of the city as well and so, you know, most most commemorative, everything down on that
[4:08:07] monument had, like, the council at that time, is that correct?
[4:08:12] I mean, so that's kind of uniform with what it had.
[4:08:15] You know, like I said, we have a car park, we have a Bocopark, we raise the money for
[4:08:19] the flagpole at the Bocopark, which is an incredible car park, they're totally put money
[4:08:23] do it. So, you know, we've got the memorial out front of City Hall talking about a lot of
[4:08:31] the veterans. I think we do a lot highlighting the magnificent effort of our veterans without
[4:08:38] it out. Any other questions, comments? I'm good donating my name to a veteran.
[4:08:47] Ashley, anybody else? Yes, you want to maybe we'll keep working on it and then we'll bring it back
[4:09:05] So, up next is item 28, ordinances for an introduction, so I approve the introduction of ordinance number 4350.
[4:09:12] I'm adding that into Beach Municipal Code chapter 10, section 10.04, 10.5, 10.5, 10.5, 10.6, 10.6, 10.4, 10.6, 10.8, relating to vehicles and traffic in orange, number 4351, chapter 13.08, section 13.08, 0.005 and 13.0, relating to beach regulations.
[4:09:32] staff please introduce the report. Good evening Council members and Honorable Mayor. My name
[4:09:37] is Monica Kindelario and I am the parking operations supervisor for the parking and camping
[4:09:41] division. Today I will be presenting to propose ordinance amendments ordinance 4350 and
[4:09:47] ordinance 4351.
[4:09:51] Ordnance 4350 updates portions of chapter 10 related to the city's parking
[4:09:55] meter parking zone, as parking technology has changed some of the...
[4:10:00] Resisting requirements have become outdated. The proposed changes would give the parking and camping division more flexibility to use current parking technology and operate more efficiently.
[4:10:09] Ordnance 4351 of the age chapter 13.08 which regulates activities on the beach and adjacent beach areas. The purpose is to clarify definitions and permit requirements for commercial and organized activities.
[4:10:22] This will help make the city's requirement clearer and more consistent for staff businesses and organizations.
[4:10:28] Moving on to the financial impact, there are no funds required for either ordinance for
[4:10:33] ordinance 4350 that changes our administrative and nature. They provide staff with the
[4:10:38] flexibility to implement a modern parking payment system and improve efficiency as needed.
[4:10:43] For ordinance 4351, the changes primarily clarify existing regulations and administrative
[4:10:48] procedures for permitting activities on city beach areas. I'll start with the specific changes
[4:10:54] proposed under 4350.
[4:10:57] The proposed changes to Chapter 10 would remove the requirement
[4:11:00] that every parking meter space has its own individual parking
[4:11:04] meter in the on-street meter zone.
[4:11:07] It would also eliminate as a required payment method, which
[4:11:11] reflects the way parking payments technology has evolved.
[4:11:15] It would also allow the parking and camping division
[4:11:17] to use different types of parking technology
[4:11:19] including multi-space space stations.
[4:11:24] And finally, the language would be updated to provide the division with greater operational
[4:11:28] flexibility. These updates would also ensure consistency throughout chapter 10 and address
[4:11:33] some existing inconsistencies within the code. Essentially, ordinance 4350 updates that
[4:11:40] codes are parking regulations can keep up with the modern parking technology.
[4:11:45] Moving to ordinance 4351, chapter 13.08 regulates activities on the beach and adjacent
[4:11:51] beach areas. These regulations help protect public access, visitor safety, public resources,
[4:11:57] and the orderly use of city facilities. One proposed changes to expand the definition of
[4:12:01] facilities. This makes it clear that city owned amenities such as bonfire rings, buildings,
[4:12:06] parking lots, picnic tables, barbecue, courts, and lifeguard towers are included. This ordinance
[4:12:11] would also clarify when permits or rate an authorization are required by the director of
[4:12:17] community and library services. It includes commercial services, equipment rentals,
[4:12:23] promotional activities, and organized recreation activities occurring on the beach,
[4:12:27] adjacent beach areas and within the water activities zone. In short, ordinance 4351 is
[4:12:35] about making the rules clear what facilities are covered and what activities require authorization.
[4:12:42] Recommended action, so staff recommends that city council approve for introduction,
[4:12:45] Ordinance 4350 amending the specifies sections of top shop chapter 10 staff also recommends that city council approve for introduction introduction Ordinance 4351 amending the specified sections of chopper 13
[4:13:00] That's the end of my presentation. Do you guys have any questions?
[4:13:04] Any questions?
[4:13:08] No good job. Thank you.
[4:13:12] Second
[4:13:14] Councilman Grohl? Yes.
[4:13:16] Hon. Kennedy?
[4:13:17] Yeah.
[4:13:18] Mayor Protein, Tony?
[4:13:19] Yes.
[4:13:20] Mayor McKean? Yes.
[4:13:21] Councilman Burns?
[4:13:22] Aye.
[4:13:23] Councilman Vandermark? Yes.
[4:13:25] Councilman Williams? Yes.
[4:13:26] Item passes seven zero.
[4:13:30] And I will read the ordinance-tiles.
[4:13:33] Ordnance number four three five zero.
[4:13:36] And ordinance of the city council of the city of Huntington Beach.
[4:13:38] I'm ending sections 10.04, 10.50, 10.56, 10.60, 10.64, and 10.68 of the title, 10 of the Huntington Beach Municipal Code, relating to vehicles, and traffic.
[4:13:55] Ordinance number 4351, an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Huntington Beach,
[4:14:02] amending sections 13.08.005, and 13.08.080 of chapter 13.08 of the Huntington Beach Municipal Code
[4:14:16] relating to beach regulations.
[4:14:19] Thank you.
[4:14:20] Motion is second to adjourn.
[4:14:22] Motion.
[4:14:24] All right.
[4:14:24] The next regularly scheduled meeting in the Hinten Beach City Council Public Finance and Authority is Tuesday, September 1st,
[4:14:31] 26, and the Civic Center Council Chamber is 2,000 Main Street Hinten Beach California. Good night, everybody.