Good evening. I will now call
to order the City County
Council meeting for Monday,
JULY 6, 2026. Begin meeting
with a prayer and pledge of
allegiance led by my father
reverently Lewis Jr that. The
brawl. Parade. Grace of GOD.
Our Heavenly father, thank you
for a lot of us assembled in
this room. Thank you for those
voices that would be heard.
We've got a choice. The best
upon each one of spirit living
golf ball. Fresh upon meeting.
Move was a sick us that we
might be the the children you
calling for the last days. And
we should remember to give you
all glory on the increase in
Jesus name, a a United States
of America and to love it for
it stands. One nation under
GOD, indivisible, with liberty
and justice for all. Thanks
that I was a little nervous
that's Baptiste. And if you
know, got to stay like that
for really long The next item
on our agenda, roll call,
please in the so that the
green button to indicate your
attendance. There are 24
members present. CHAIRMAN
Boots asked to be excused this
evening. The next item on our
agenda is introduction of
guests and visitors. Councilor
Gibson. MADAM Chair. I wish
welcome our former COUNCILMAN
Scott Keller. Additionally
Introduction Council Brown.
Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT, I
would like to recognize all of
that. Constituents have come
here with their signs
proposing a data center
moratorium. CHAIRWOMAN
McCormick. Hi, thank you. I
don't know if I missed anybody
else peer into the crowd, but
I see our trusty from packed
township, Annette Johnson.
CHAIRMAN Robinson, MADAM
PRESIDENT, as anyone
acknowledge our former vice
PRESIDENT's that comes with
it. Vice PRESIDENT Adams.
Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT, a
pleasure. Now proceed to
official communications. MADAM
Clerk. Thank you. MADAM
PRESIDENT, ladies and
gentlemen, you are hereby
notified the regular meetings
of the city County Council
Police Fire and Solid waste
Collection. Special service
district councils will be held
in the city county building in
the public Assembly room on
Monday, 7/6/2026, it's 7
o'clock pm the purposes of
such meetings being to conduct
any and all business that MAY
come properly before regular
meetings of the council's
sincerely, Louis, PRESIDENT
City County Council. Ladies
and gentlemen percent pursuant
to the laws of the state of
Indiana. I caused be published
in the court commercial record
and in the Indianapolis star
on Friday, JUNE, 12th 2026 a
copy of Notice of Public
hearing proposal numbers. One.
24 one. 63 1.88 in 2, 0, 6,
2026 said hearing to be held
on Monday, 7/6/2026 and 7
o'clock pm. And the Public
Assembly room of the city
County building on Friday,
6/19/2026. Copy of Notice of
Public hearing proposal.
Number 2, 0, 8, 2026 said here
hearing to be held on Monday,
JULY 13th 2026 at 05:30pm, and
the Public Assembly room of
the city County building.
Ladies and gentlemen, I have
approved with my signature and
delivered this data. The clerk
of the City County Council,
Yolanda Winfield, the
following ordinances, fiscal
ordinance numbers 5 through
15, 2026 general ordinance
numbers 40 41 2026 special
ordinance numbers. 4 through
6. 2026 and special
resolution. Number 13, 2026
Joseph h Hawks. It Mayor MADAM
PRESIDENT. This concludes the
official communications. Thank
you, MADAM Counselors for your
convenience. They are
sugar-free and that free
cookies in the back. We're
going to be here just a tad
bit longer than normal. So
again, feel free to jump up
and grab keys as shoes. So see
fit the next I to moderate it
on our agenda is the adoption
of the agenda happen. Set.
Proceed to approve of journals
for JUNE. First 2026. To have
consent. But proceeded
presentations at petitions for
miles special resolutions and
council resolutions proposal.
Number 2, 2, 3 introduced by
Leader Evans.
Take the place.
The Center for men. Good
evening. Tonight, we recognize
one of Indianapolis is most
accomplished native daughters.
Janet Fleenor born in 18 92.
She became one of the founding
writers of The New Yorker and
spent more than 50 years as it
celebrated. Paris
correspondent earning
international acclaim and
France's prestigious Legion of
honor. Counts or I don't know
French side. Thanks to the
district's theater's
production on. They call me
Janet Indianapolis has the
opportunity to rediscover her
extraordinary legacy. It is my
honor to present this
resolution in recognition of
Janet Flanders. Remarkable
life and contributions. A
special resolution celebrating
the life legacy in
Indianapolis roots of Janet
planner internationally
acclaimed journalist, author
and cultural correspondent,
whereas Janet Flare was born
in Indianapolis, Indiana in
18, 92 and began her writing
career in her home town before
embarking on a path that would
make her one of the most
influential journalist of the
20th century and where us.
Whereas writing under the pen
name Jean, a flatter, became
one of the founding voices of
The New Yorker magazine and
served as its Paris
correspondents more than 50
years helping generations of
Americans better understand
the culture, politics
literature and artistic life
of your and whereas celebrated
letter from Paris Collins
planner conduct chronicled
major historical events,
artistic movements and
cultural figures of the 20th
century, establishing herself
as one of America's most
respected leader leader in us
and if our past to file note,
8 Butler talking in a district
7 resident As in recognition
of her extraordinary
contributions to journalism
and French culture, life
Fleenor was awarded the title
of so beware of the Legion day
on wonderful I don't speak
French either. One of France's
France's highest civilian
honors and whereas Fleenor
also demonstrated personal
courage by living openly with
in Paris's Expo artistic and
lgbtq+ communities during the
period with such freedom was
was often unavailable to many
Americans leaving a lasting
legacy of often to city
inclusion and cultural
progress and where is Jennifer
enters Indianapolis? Remove
routes remain an important
part of her story and her
achievements stand as a
reminder of the profound
impact that individuals for
this city here have had on a
national, an international
coach or cultural and public
life. And whereas the Flanders
families contributions to
Indianapolis extend beyond
journalism through the
establishment of flat or house
by her father DR. Frank w
Planner creating a lasting
legacy of community service,
education and opportunity for
generations of Indianapolis
residents. And whereas the
District Theatre's production
of they call me Janet offers
Indianapolis and opportunity
to rediscover and celebrate
one of its most accomplished
native daughters in her
enduring contributions to
journalism, literature and
international understanding
now, therefore, be it resolved
by the City County Council of
the City of Indianapolis and
Marion County, Indiana,
Section one, the Indianapolis
City Council proudly
recognizes and celebrates the
life achievements and enduring
legacy of Janet Flatter whose
work elevated the standards of
journalism and in rich
cultural understanding
throughout the world. Section
2, the council Cummins, the
District theater in all those
involved in the production of
the college in it preserving
and sharing the story of this
remarkable Indianapolis native
section 3. The council
encourages residents of
Indianapolis to learn more
about Janet Flanders
contributions to journalism,
literature, culture and
international understanding
and take pride in her enduring
connection to the city of
Indianapolis. Section 4, a
copy of this resolution shall
be presented. 2
representatives of the
District Theater in
recognition of their efforts
to celebrate and preserve the
legacy, Janet, I so move, I
think been properly moved.
And second, all those in favor
signify by saying Aye. Those
opposed same sign the motion
carries that the speaker.
Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT, at
this time, I'd like to invite
2 former members of the
council to share a few remarks
representing both side of the
aisle. Please welcome former
council vice PRESIDENT And
District Theater board member
Zach Adamson and former
Republican counter Scott
Keller as they join us in
celebrating the remarkable
legacy of one of Indianapolis
is most distinguished native
daughters, Jennifer and her.
Thank you. Evans and thank you
to my former colleagues here
in the council. For
recognizing the extraordinary
legacy. Jane Atlanta, on
behalf of myself, former
counsel Scott Keller, the
District Theater. We are
honored that Indianapolis is
taking this opportunity to
celebrate one of its most
remarkable native daughters,
the District Theater believes
that these that great theater
does more than just entertain.
It shines a light on voices
that history has too often
overlooked or forgotten. 2 new
works like they call me Jean,
a and through our incubators
for African-American and
Latino Arts communities
designed specifically for and
buy those members of the
community. We strive to tell
stories that reflect the full
richness of our city. So thank
you for helping to ensure that
Jeff Linder story and so many
others continue to be sold.
And with that, I will turn it
over to Scott Keller. If you
wish for information, you can
look at chance Planner dot
com. Thank you for this honor.
I'll leave you an observation.
My ancestor, Frank planner
hired Booker t Washington to
come around flat or house and
manage. Well, he could not
stay downtown hotel. So we
stayed with the family of 40
61 North Illinois. What genell
planners favorite perch was on
his lap. Thank you. Thank you.
And I've got a soccer game.
Yeah. So it is. The the next
item on our agenda proposal.
Number one, 61 refer to admin
and Finance Committee CHAIRMAN
Miscarry. Thank you. Madam
President, the proposal one 61
points Mariee Allen to equal
out the Equal Opportunity
Advisory board out of the
community and there. I so
move. And most properly moved
and seconded. Other comments
from counselors. Seeing no
proceed to the board votes.
This proposal, number 3.75,
refer to public safety and
criminal Justice Committee.
Assistant Chair Alan. Thank
you, MADAM PRESIDENT proposal.
Number 3.75, appoints and
ensure into the juvenile
Detention Center advisory
board to pass Bo 11 to 0. So
so the motion improperly
moved. And second, other
comments will counselors?
Santa proceed to the board for
a vote? The proposal carries
24 to 0 the next item on our
agenda proposal. Number one,
87 refer to public safety and
criminal Justice Committee.
Assistant Chair Alan, thank
you. MADAM PRESIDENT proposed
a number one, 87 2026 appoint
Alexis Hatcher to the juvenile
Detention Center advisory
board. Do pass vote 11 to 0. I
so the most of properly moved.
And second, other comments
counselors. Seeing proceed to
the board for a vote. The
proposal carries 24 to 0. The
next item on our agenda is
introductions of proposals.
MADAM Clerk. Thank you. MADAM
PRESIDENT. Proposal, number 2,
that 2, 0, 8, 2026 introduced
by Council near son and refer
to the administration and
Finance Committee elects to
allow certain employees to
participate in the public
Employees Retirement Fund as
administered by the Indiana
Public Retirement System.
Proposal. Number 2, 0, 9, 2026
introduced by Council Ali
Brown and referred to
community Affairs reappoint
Amy Carol, to the public Art
for Neighborhood selection
committee. The following
proposals or refer to the
Metropolitan Economic
Development Committee
proposal. Number 2.37, 2026
introduced by counselor Jesse
Brown request that the
Indianapolis Department of
Metropolitan Development, it
eliminates parking minimums
within the city of
Indianapolis and Marion
County. Proposal. Number to 3,
8, 2026 introduced by
COUNCILMAN Lewis amends
chapter 7, 4, 0, through 202,
dash, 202, 7, 4, 2 dash, 109,
and table 7, 4, 3, dash, 208,
dash, one of the consolidated
Zoning and Subdivision Control
ordinance of the Indianapolis
Marion County, Indiana,
concerning Data Center
development. Proposals. The
following proposals or refer
to the public safety and
Criminal Justice Committee
proposal. Number 2.11, 2026
introduced Council Robinson
Point Elizabeth White to the
domestic violent violence
fatality review team.
Proposal. Number 2.36, 2026
introduced by Council Robinson
appoints Raymond pow to the
Marion County Community.
Corrections Advisory Board.
The following proposals were
referred to the Public Works
Committee proposal number 2 to
12, 2026 introduced council
boots authorizes high
intensity activated cross will
walk signal for nickel plate
trail crossing on 56th Street
Kessler Boulevard East right
71st Street and 75th Street
District 3 proposal. Number
2.13, 2026 introduced by Sully
authorizes intersection
controls adjacent to the iu
Health Medical Center on 13th
Street Capitol Avenue and
Senate Avenue and on 14th
Street as Senate Avenue
District. Well. Proposal,
number 2.14, 2026 introduced
by Council McCormick
authorizes High in Tucson.
High intensity activated
crosswalk signal for Eagle
Creek Trail crossing at
Lyndhurst Drive Bridge.
District 16. Proposal. Number
2.15, 2026 introduce my
counselor. Allen authorizes
high intensity activated
crosswalk signal at the Grassy
Creek connector. At 3500 North
German Church Road District.
15. Proposal. Number 2.16,
2026 introduced by Council
Gibson authorizes a speed
limit reduction to 25 miles
per hour in the area. Bounded
by Sherman Drive Emerson
Avenue, 30th Street and 34th
Street District 8 proposal.
Number 2, 17, 2026 introduced
by COUNCILMAN Scary authorizes
the speed limit reduction to
25 miles per hour. An area
bounded by Keystone Avenue,
Hobart Road 7 Avenue and
Raymond Street District. 19.
Proposal number 2.18, 2026
introduced by counselor Allen
authorizes a speed limit
reduction to 25 miles per hour
in the Autumn Creek in Autumn
Creek, East subdivisions,
district 15. Proposal. Number
2.19, 2026 introduced Council
Bain authorizes intersection
controls at the intersection
of Bonnie Drive. And Eddie
Wayne District. 21. Proposal
number 2, 22,026 introduced by
council ku authorizes
intersection controls at the
intersection of car way Court
Thompson and Thompson Road
District. 23. Proposal number
2.21 2026 introduced by
Council Jesse Brown.
Authorizes residential permit
parking at 5 to 4 in 5 to 6
East 9th Street District. 13.
MADAM PRESIDENT, this
concludes introductions. Thank
you, MADAM. For the next item
on our agenda, special orders,
priority business proposals.
Number 2.28, 4. 32 34 2026 are
knee that are certified to the
council for approval by the
Metropolitan Development
Commission. If no District
Council wishes to call down
any of these proposals for
public hearing, they will pass
into law. Sand and proposals
will pass into law. Proposals.
Number 2, 35 2026 is a
rezoning that would certify to
the Council for Denial by the
Metropolitan Development
Commission. If no District
Council wishes to call down
this proposal after a public
hearing, the decision of the
commission will stand has
denied. Seeing no further
motion regarding proposal.
Number 2, 35 2026. The
decision of the commission
will stand has denied. Now
proceed to special orders.
Public hearing before we open
a Florida public comments, I
would like to call on general
counsel peers to review the
ground rules for public
testimony as adopted by this
body. His peers. Thank MADAM
PRESIDENT. And we move to the
public comment portion of
debate for these proposals. We
would like to remind council
members and the public of a
few ground rules in order for
everyone to have a fair chance
to speak and be heard. It is
important that we each observe
the following rules first,
each speaker will be limited
to 2 minutes. Second, any
public comment must reasonably
relate to the agenda item
under consideration. 3rd
speakers to stray from the
item under consideration or
become unduly repetitious MAY
be asked to move on to their
next point, conclude their
comments. Finally attendees
who caused this reaction that
prevent the council from
proceeding through the agenda
and a reasonably efficient
manner will be Please remember
that some types of threatening
speech or excitement. The
violence are not protected by
the First Amendment. And all
we will deal with those issues
if they come up. But we do not
think they will. MADAM
PRESIDENT. Thank you to have
consented that the rules for
public testimony. Thank you.
Well, Brooke, proceeded
proposal. Number one, 24
referred a Metropolitan and
Economic Development
Committee. CHAIRMAN, mostly.
Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT
pose a number one to 4, 2026.
Approves an additional
appropriation of $42,000 and
the 2026 budget of the Marion
County Recorders Office County
Recorders, Perpetual Fund to
be used for property fraud and
veteran advertisement. The
proposal passed out of
committee by a vote of 10 to 0
MADAM PRESIDENT, I some of the
motion improperly moved and
second are the comments from
counselors. Is there anyone in
the audience that wishes to
speak to propose a number one?
24, please state your name
doing so. Larry Van, please, I
just like to congratulate my
friend Faith Kimbro for her
services she's doing and the
recorders office. From
stamping out the fraud that's
going on here in Marin County.
The actual title for a that's
going on. Just to know that
she's a beloved politician
right now. And I think she's
qualified for other offices. I
just like to thank her for a
program that she's initiate
it. Office where she's dealing
with the a total fraud that's
going on because the recorder
is really a job that's really
consequential for anybody that
owns property here in Marion
County. So faith camera roof,
she's a politician's just like
mile average who have really
done her job and stuff to the
guidelines of for a job. So
thanks. Let just fun.
Additional comments. You
proceed to the board for a
vote. Later. Evins. The
proposal carries 24 to 0 the
next item on our agenda
proposal. Number one, 63
referred admin of finance
CHAIRMAN, Scary. Thank you.
MADAM PRESIDENT, Bulls won. 63
approves an additional
appropriation. Totally
19 million, $488,400 to 2026
budgets various city. County
departments and agencies in
various city county funds from
additional supplemental income
in Tax revenue. As the
committee, 11 0. I so move.
The motion been properly moved
and seconded. Other comments
from counselors. Is there
anyone the audience that
wishes to speak to proposal?
Number one, 63. You know, I
would anything about this with
the loose description on where
these funds are actually going
to be gone. You know, their
prorated for certain things,
but they don't always end up
at the destination. So it's
just questionable when we have
people that are appropriating
funds just to lose.
Description of where the funds
are actually gone and the
shape that the city is in
right now. I think it's a bad
policy to have a mean. And
that's mostly because we don't
have commissioners over 3
largest budget item which dpw,
this public safety and also
forgot what else it is. But in
any case. It's a loose
description. Additional
comments from the audience.
Siena proceed to the board for
our votes. I apologize. MADAM.
PRESIDENT Council members, my
name is Tyler Mitchell. I live
on the South side and happy
birthday to the United States.
I went to proposal one 63, so
my neighbors don't have to.
Some of the funding in the
proposal goes to roads and
infrastructure, which is
great. The news more go to
programs with broad
descriptions like quality of
life, housing initiatives,
unification, Youth engagement
and other projects that
deserve far public scrutiny
before taxpayers are asked to
fund them. Take the homeowner
repair program is one example.
It is already funded with 3.6
million dollars in cdbg,
federal funding. Proposal. One
63, would add another $500,000
in local taxpayer dollars.
Helping your neighbors over to
you. Compelling your neighbors
to pay to help others through
taxation is not. Not every
need requires a government
solution. Indianapolis as one
of the largest church
communities in the Midwest.
Church is a voluntary
association groups have long
to help people in need. And I
don't understand why we're
forgetting the ability to do
so. If dpw numbers are
correct. That's a $500,000.
Could proximity 7 lanes of
roadway? That's enough to
repave north down even Emerson
Avenue from Southeastern
Avenue all the way to 46
street. I mentioning roads
because certainly you will
vote to increase my will tax
by 400%. If we're truly facing
a road funding crisis than
every available dollar should
be directed there before
expanding spending elsewhere.
I recognize that the state's
road funding formula needs to
work better for us. And I did
not come here to dispute that,
by the way. But the way the
city continues to spend
taxpayer dollars is not going
to strengthen our case. We
asked the state to do more for
us. Taxpayers work hard for
every dollar they earn. They
expect the city government to
provide just the essential
services and a quick at this.
The city council keeps
expanding government into
areas beyond its core
responsibilities when working
families have to tighten their
budget, they expect the same
thing to come from the council
and prioritize you. Thank you.
Thank you, ma'am. Additional
comments from the audience. A
PRESIDENT, the looking this
way. Yes, sir, here at few
comments yet place. So, you
know, I I got a couple
thoughts I mean, what the
gentleman did make a pretty
good point about the
correlation between the tax
proposal that we have coming
up. And I think I just want
shed light on that. One of the
things that I and you know is
going through this just been a
lot more time in spring fiscal
added this year. I did send
some things over through the
office, but I just want at
least verbally acknowledge
some of the things that I've
heard. Constituents asked me
for that I think are very
prudent or things that I've
seen that need even have a
tension in the city that I
don't. The city has brought us
this year. There is an issue
that we have with duplicative
data storage or even
triplicate data storage across
the city enterprise in which
we are overpaying for data
storage and a lot of our
public safety's and it's
causing both redundancies as
well as efficiency issues when
trying to share that
information between agencies I
say has done it does have
information to run a pilot on
this and have looked into it.
So we wouldn't be starting
from scratch. So just
something for this body to be
aware of when, you know, I
know there are some additional
funds that were parked because
of this. Whether we get into
that or not, but ideas for the
future as well as police
recruitment. This was
something that I've had a lot
of conversations with the
chief of police, our office as
well. We have to, you know,
get some more focus on that. I
know we're working on the
vehicles with this as well.
But down in Fort Worth, they
did some really, really cool,
innovative ideas that was able
to net them. 3400 new police
applications as soon as they
had a new police chief. We
have very similar activities
going on it wasn't causing ton
of money. Additional things
that I think could be
beneficial to us is the
council. Our constituent
management software where, you
know, we don't have that. I'm
using an Excel spreadsheet to
manage things inside and and
then trying to share them with
my liaison, who imagine has
probably 25 of those. And last
thing which is very important,
which is talks drops across
the city. We have got to come
up with a solution on that
where we while lost mine 2
years ago. Some of these are
the council says says town is
me and we lost And these are
these are things that impact
daily lives efficiencies, the
quality life for people,
environmental, all of these
fall within these buckets you
know, I I bring him up as want
to make sure do it publicly so
we can hear about it. Talk
about These are important to
me important to community and
I think Indianapolis want to
see more of with that. I knew
my time. MADAM PRESIDENT,
thank you. Assistant. And now.
Thank Thank you, PRESIDENT
Louis, appreciate the
opportunity provide a little
more color to the part of the
spring festival, which is just
a supplemental distribution as
we were working on this, we
were at a time when the
governor made the decision to
suspend the gas tax at that
time. We were looking at about
a $400,000 a month losses city
that when I was extended a
second time, it was even more
robust that extended to about
3.4 million a month. And so in
those conversations, we worked
with the administration to
this big prior the council to
fence off a large
appropriation of the
supplemental up just a little
over 15 million dollars to be
able to backfill the current
2026 capital plan. The
governor has since announced
that he's going to be pushing
state finance board to
reimburse the state. City for
any lost gas tax revenues. I'm
hopeful that goes through. But
I just want as we're having a
conversation about fiscal
discipline and ensuring are
putting money towards roads,
we free fence off almost 50%
of the supplemental in order
to prepare for just that. So
we'll as we go into the
budget. We'll be looking to
appropriate those for
hopefully some other one time
spends. But just want the
public to be aware that that
we that we were taking
precautionary measures. We
have better news now, but
nothing is set in Stone. So
thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT,
thank you. Additional comments
council Brown. Thank you,
MADAM PRESIDENT, I appreciate
the thoughtful commentary from
constituents and just wanted
to kind of make the case for
why. I think the homeowner, a
paraffin in particular is a
very good use of taxpayer
dollars. I agree
wholeheartedly with council
heart describing the need for
talks drop programs. The
reason for that is because if
you don't do that kind of
preventative up in it from the
government. What happens is
people just dump toxic
chemicals and then across far,
far more to end up cleaning up
later. And I think the same
can be true if we could spend
$500,000 and keep people in
their homes to prevent them
from becoming homeless, which
is where a lot of folks would
go otherwise. Think about how
expensive emergency services
calls our when dealing with
our homeless. The situation. I
think he's actually situation
where ounce of prevention is
than a pound of care. And it
just saves taxpayers in the
long run. So I encourage all
colleagues to vote yes for
this. Additional comments.
Proceed to the board for a
vote. The proposal carries 24
to 0 the next item item on our
agenda proposal. Number one,
88 refer to public safety and
criminal Justice Committee.
Assistant Chair Alan. Thank
you. MADAM PRESIDENT proposal,
number one, 88, 2026 approves
an additional appropriation.
Totally 175,000 in the 226
budget. The Indianapolis
Metropolitan Police Department
for the purpose of funding the
final payment of the impd
these 2021 vehicle financing
agreement do pass 11 a boat
and 11 to 0 vote. So moved.
Emotion and properly moved.
And second in other comments
from counselors, Castor Brown.
Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT,
makes a very politically
contentious and unpopular
comments here. But this
proposal would give almost
$900,000 additional in
taxpayer funding for police
vehicles. And we had some
great commentary in committee
that I was able to review that
mentioned that the main one
main reason for this is
because apparently car
manufacturers are not
producing pursuit rated sedans
anymore. And so that Durango
suv is about the most
affordable police vehicle that
we can purchase right now. You
know, here's what else out a
little bit more like a
conservative that I normally
do when. Only government
entities are purchasing from
car companies and we just
automatically will spend more
money and just pay for a more
expensive vehicle. What
incentive are we giving the
car manufacturers to actually
produce the police to dance
the way that they used to? As
long as we just keep showing
the market that we will pay
any cost. And there's bounds
around any police pending. I
don't see how that will ever
end. And so in the context of
4% budget cuts for almost
every other department. In the
context of a situation where
300 officers down. But but are
still funding to the tune of
17, 43 officers, even though
we we know we're not going to
hire those officers in the
short term in the context of
and over 100% raise for first
year. Officers in the last 8
years. I don't see how we can
continue to keep throwing
money at the police
department. You know, some
officers could use a bike.
Some officers could walk
around on foot. Morale is
important. I think that being
around constituents and not
always behind the wheel of an
suv separated from them is a
good way of increasing police
relationships with the
community. And so I just can't
vote for this in good
conscience. You know what?
Officers to be safe, want them
to have all the equipment they
need. How many of us and only
40 years old, but every movie
from the 80's and 90's showed
2 police officer sitting a
vehicle together. When you
watch anybody being pulled
over to the average U.S. And
one police cruiser know for
officer safety will send
multiple police cruisers. So
we have multiple vehicles
going to the site at the same
scene of a crime
investigation. To me, it's a
no-brainer that we need to be
saving money. We need to be
treating our taxpayers with
respect. As I urge my
colleagues about now. Thank
you. Thank you. CHAIRMAN
Perkins, thank you. MADAM
PRESIDENT, I do want to say
thank you to assistant chair
for the conversation that we
had in committee regarding
this particular issue. And
while I am reluctantly support
of tonight. We have asked both
in committee and in direct
conversation in our caucus for
impd to provide us some
clarity around their budgetary
needs as we're entering into
the budget season. My concern
continues to be impd to as an
entity of the largest
percentage and the overall
city budget. And it seems to
that is a consistent request.
Whenever there's a fiscal from
impd for something additional
and we don't have clear
picture off the scope and need
from the department and what
that means for us as we are
going in the budget process,
we will start the public
budget process next month. And
what would what I've
requested? I McCall,
colleagues of joining along
that is to say to impd, we
need a full picture of your
needs and requests as we're
going into this fiscal year.
And so I just want call on the
leadership of impd along as
well as administration to make
sure that you're providing
that to the council's main
gauge in this conversation.
Run-up to the support of
tonight, one, a police
department to know that we
want the best for our city,
but we also need to be
fiscally responsible. And this
keeps coming up police
department. And so we just
want to share that. Thank you,
MADAM PRESIDENT, thank you,
MR. CHAIRMAN Councilor Heart.
Thank you. MADAM Chair. I want
to say I've got no reluctance
on this very proud to support
men or women blue of the city
of Indianapolis. There's a few
more details that were left
out of One of the reasons that
this is coming from in front
of us today is essentially
these are on a leasing model
that they're paying least
lingo, renewing get the new
vehicles. The problem, one of
the problems behind that is
that the bond rates now are
higher than what they were
originally. So it's more
expensive to borrow money to
go buy the vehicles to pay
them off for years. One of the
things that we've learned even
from the fire department of
this year's is that it is more
fiscally responsible
essentially use the leasing
model because we don't pay all
the deferred maintenance. If
we don't do this, we're going
to end up with more costs and
paying maintenance on
vehicles. We learned that the
certain vehicles aren't as
reliable and efficient.
Effective Lee is if their
direct then that's it. They're
total, whereas older vehicles
that they had the ability to
be repaired. We're not in that
position anymore. And we need
to keep these vehicles and a
newer position. But we also
have to keep a certain number
of them. We learned that
evening essentially to make
sure that we had a stock for
when are getting
repaired. Vehicles are getting
prepared for that rotation. So
I think that this is fiscally
responsible, responsible thing
to do. I think it both from
the finance point, but also
from the part of trying to
make sure that we're showing
officers that we do care about
their needs and that this is
this is their office, right? I
do think that we are gonna
have to have this conversation
again because it was made
clear in committee. My change
to this is that we need to do
the full thing, not just a
piece of it. So I do expect to
see it again in the fall. But
hopefully that gets a street
up for adequate rotation. But
this is a good thing in this
will help us in the long run.
Thank Additional comments.
Councilor Cahill. Thank you,
MADAM PRESIDENT, I did want to
address comment about impd
coming to the council with
these types requests. This was
in the request and was not
fulfilled in the budget last
year. So I'm happy to see that
it's in a fiscal we're now
funding But this was brought
to our attention in fact, they
want to 1.5 million for new
vehicles last year and it
didn't make the budget. So I
do think they have come to us
and through the administration
and simply not everything they
wanted. Despite some the
claims here. Additional
comments will counselors. Is
there anyone in the audience
that wishes to speak to
proposal? Number one, 88?
Please state your name. My
name is William Dollar of so
District 8 but have a medical
issue. So if I'm kind of
sorry, that's so many him on
mailbox the other day called
the police. They drove right
by my house, didn't stop.
That. Came through hours later
and said, hey, we don't know
what to do about it will go
chat. I was on video chasing
out the guy hit my mailbox. So
didn't get any recourse from
that. This I mean, we've all
seen in a city how many people
running red lights today. I
watched Reddit run a red light
while police officer was right
in the front line at the light
and did not pull them over. So
I don't know why the police
have been extortion. Everyone
is supposed to protected,
especially when the city is
saying we need money. We need
all data centers to come in
and give us more money. And
then meanwhile, they ask for
like what? What's the purpose
of this like? I don't see why
we need it. The more money
when they already take up so
much of our budget as for a
time of being fiscally
responsible. I think to start
there, start cut in the
budget. Larry van, please sure
what is impd that have the
appropriated funds in the
hands of a commissioner.
Because as long as I've been
coming down there, it's always
been that way when the money
is appropriated in this room
and taken from the citizens.
That gun point. Then the mayor
of Indianapolis gets the said
were goes. So as long as we're
sitting in this room, have a
arguments about appropriations
that have left this round. The
call for the mayor right now.
You're going do nothing. And I
know some you think it's
funny. You think it's a laugh.
But the people who elected you
are also looking at you. This
has been for many years, a
problem ever since we got the
tif districts. And so for
where commissioners were
displaced from from from dpw.
From Public Safety and also
from for getting a 3rd
Somebody can remind but any
case we sat in this room,
everything these people do you
people at home, everything
they do with that gun point
because if you go into role as
a van that they will, you will
definitely thank Beat me with
the point goals certainly will
get. Thank you. Additional
comments from the audience.
Seeing no proceed to the board
for a The proposal carries 23
2 line. The next item on our
agenda proposal. Number one,
59. Leader Evans. Thank you.
MADAM PRESIDENT. On JUNE 3rd,
2026 at the nbc's regular
scheduled meeting. The
commission acknowledged the
withdrawal of rezoning case
2025 Dash 0 in Dash. 1, 2, 6,
because the case no longer
exists. There is no need for a
public hearing. If there are
no questions or comments for
my fellow councilors, I
recommend that we by consent
acknowledge the withdrawal of
rezoning case 2025 dash the
Dash 1, 2, 6, proposal. Number
one, 59. At ascent. The number
one, 59 2026 has been
withdrawn proposal. Number
206, proposal. Number 2, 0, 6,
2026 is a rezoning certified
for denial by the Metropolitan
Development Commission on
JUNE. First 20 26 rezoning
case 2025 zone 0, 8, 4, is
located at 40 1 South Keystone
Avenue in Perry Township
Council District 19, the
rezoning proposal is too rizo
to Rezone Acres. One point 0,
7, 5, from sea for district, 2
c s district to provide all 3,
2, to provide for all c 3 uses
and automobile feeling station
section one. 51 through 79,
the code clearly outlines the
process for public hearings
for rezoning case is certified
by Metropolitan Development
Commission. All callers should
have received a copy of those
guidelines and their meeting
packets and will adhere
closely to those guidelines
and timely hits castle
miscarry those district. It
his district. A rezoning is
located. A call for that
matter for hearing at our JUNE
first meeting, I have advised
by our general counsel that
the preliminary hearing has
been held and no compromise or
agreement has been reached as
soon to our rules. I will call
for council miscarry for
opening comments. Thank you,
MADAM PRESIDENT as an elected
council member of District 19.
I've requested it. The zoning
of property of my district
located 4,001 South Keystone
Perry Township now Zone c 3 to
be amended to c 4 and allow
the sale of gasoline. That
location. I received numerous
requests from the on that side
of street. People East. It's
easier to get into this place.
And the dax so convenient.
Food. The site was purchased
persons and by the current
owner. And it was a total
mess. And he totally at toward
the building down because all
the trash and started over
with a new building. Each
hearing feels that committee
the owner asked for to build a
defense around the property at
one time, MR. Send wreck of
owner am l sec property. I
worked with me in zoning
appeals board to totally re
have the site from tear it
down and build a new building.
He spent a million dollars on
the property he's offered to
community store for about a
year, but it can support
itself is out of gas. And with
that, give my time MR. On.
Thank you. Council miscarry. I
will now call the petitioner
to state their case. Please
keep in mind that you have 20
minutes total for your
presentation. Regardless of
how many dissipate you MAY
choose not to use the full 20
minutes or save a portion of
it for the rebuttal. Our clerk
will keep track of the time
and a buzzer will sound when
your time is up. If you do not
use a portion of your time,
our clerk will record the
amount you have remaining for
your rebuttal. You finish
before the buzzer, the clerk
will advise you of the
remaining time, MR. Hinds,
thank you very much. MADAM
PRESIDENT City Council members
appreciate the opportunity to
be here. My name for the
records. Gregory And with
those McKinnon Evans, I also
have Madison was over with
tonight. Also, I have the one
of the members of on llc.
Shook wonder saying he was by
Sunday and he owns 49% of a
family in Amman and his wife
owns 51%. We are here is legal
counsel pursuant to one 51
day. 79 other revised code of
the consolidated City County
special procedures rezoning.
Ordinances. And which from
center ic 3, 6, dash, 7 dash 4
608 to change the current
restrictions to sell gas. Its
location at 4, 0, 0, 1, south
to stone. And it's about to
one point '07 acres. Mr,
saying he's been in this
business for quite a while.
His story is I think you have
to talk about him and what
he's accomplished since season
one driving the the ship on
this project. He came
immigrate. It's the United
States with basically nothing.
He's originally from the
northern area of India called
Putin job. Very, very poor
area of India. He worked in
New York City as a taxi driver
and 2004, he arrived in
Indianapolis and least a gas
station to support his wife.
And their family. From those
humble beginnings. They worked
hires Lee to create
opportunities for their family
following the American dream.
Over the past 20 years, they
have dedicated their company,
the building and operating
successful businesses with
particular expertise in the
gas station, convenience store
industry. Today. They oversee
more than 100 properties
throughout the Midwest,
including approximately 30
stations located in the
Indianapolis area. Sony has
wife 3 children. One Med
school wins a doctor or any
other civil student. Sony's
family develops developments
provide more than just of fuel
and convenience items. They
create jobs, tax revenue,
increased commercial activity
and provide essential goods
and services to the local
communities and what he's been
able to do as he goes into the
site's a are like this site.
We're totally devastated. And
Hoyer is pretty devastated.
And he's able to go in. Put in
a gas station, convenience
stores and then build from
that and bring in businesses.
And exactly what trying to do
here. So they also provide
contribute to local charities
in support. Local activity not
only here in Indianapolis
area, but all throughout the
state of Indiana. They now
approval for the project at 4,
0, 0, 1, South Keystone Avenue
to continue that same kind of
work by investing in the local
community. From Tribune,
long-term value to the
surrounding area. Ironically,
son his family have a long
relationship to this area. And
that's why he's there. There
were long-term residents of
the south side of Indianapolis
and resided on South Houston.
Just a few blocks away from
where site is. So they've seen
everything that's happened in
the community down there.
Their daughters graduate from
wrong, calling high school in
his first gas station that
owned his own south Times.
Thompson Road. So they've been
very vested in this area and
want to take it forward. You
know, just a little going back
to what transpired. In
addition, I could spend all
day doing that they bought the
property in 2000. 22, it had
been abandoned since 2017. It
was owned by company in
Muncie. And they just
basically let it and abandoned
it. When I first went down or
to see the property and for
him to talk to me and we but
with the counselor, the scary
it was nothing but trash.
Heaps of trace people are just
dumping stuff there all the
time. The buildings were
uninhabited infected are being
used by Grinch drug dealing
council miscarried received
numerous complaints about this
site in what what they should
could they do about it? And
Sonny and his company stepped
up. They bought the property
and then they tried to go in
and get. Permission to gas.
Now, there was there was
agreement signed by the
previous owner. To do about
everything he wanted to do
there except so gas because
they had were to deal with the
property next door to bring in
a 21st Amendment liquor store.
And so that had been excluded.
What at the time about the
property? And he knew But he
wanted to try go forward
remedy the situation and see
if he could make it work and
then. There's enough property
done or he could do many other
things. Unfortunately, nobody
else has ever approached him
and nothing else has ever
happened to it because you've
got to have gas fueling
decision to make to make it
work. 3 different times we
have been before the planning
commission in 3 different
times. We have been denied
because they keep saying,
well, there's no need for
another gas station. Which to
Is it accurate if you go
around and talk to the
neighbors like we did and I'll
go into that in more detail in
a minute. Every one of the
neighborhood of presidents and
people are surrounding an area
which will elderly. Begging
for gas to come in there. So
you don't have to try to
cross. He's showing all the
time, which is a really,
really a dangerous place to
cross Youve got Keystone. A
new Hannah and Walker coming
in there. And each the board
zoning board would say, well,
if you do this, then we'll try
to help you the next time
around. Well, the first thing
was to build a fence week. We
build a fence all the way
around this property. Almost
1.1 acres and cleaned it all
up. Got all that. Got rid of
all the trash tore the
building down to get rid of
all the things that were going
on on the site. We came back
in and were denied again. This
time they said, want look at
putting a convenience store by
itself about and see if that
works. And sunny turned to me,
should the I've never seen
that work ever. But he said,
let me think about it. So we
told the board he didn't think
he wanted to do that. And then
a few months later, he decided
to go forward because we
really want to clean this area
and he did build a convenience
store. You'll there's pictures
in materials of what the
property looked like before
and then after. So there is a
convenience store at that
site. The bad part about it is
set. It will support. Could
mean the not profitable season
have to subsidizing the store.
She is. We just to keep it
open. So then the next time we
went in was just this last
time in MARCH of 26 and we
done everything. They ask us
to do. We told them about the
fact that he was offering the
convenience store and we lost
again at all. 3 hearings.
COUNCILMAN Scary was there. He
explained to him a lot of
things I'm saying to you told
him it extremely important for
him in his district to get
this so they could provide
gassed and make this work. The
other interesting thing that
happened it the only remind us
traitors who showed up at any
of this is only board of
appeals. People just that live
around there all. Owners of 5
other gas stations that are in
the area. They're the only
ones that never showed up for
to Raymond Street. And the
reason they were showing up
because they didn't want to
kill competition because Sony
has a reputation of running a
very good business. Very clean
buildings, cetera. And they
don't they didn't want it. And
they try to say, well, there's
already all these gas stations
and there's no need for
another one. Well, in the
meantime, these guys are
building gas stations all
around. South side of
Indianapolis. In 2, 2 families
basically. And if they're the
ones that right close to this
site, should Colin British
Petroleum. In the MAY also
supposedly have interest in
the liquor store. That's next
door. In addition, they have
stations ship Brookville,
Road. 34 1 with Students
Street 54 60 east, 21st
Street. 57 96 with smaller
street in 50 to 52 was Troy
Avenue. Obviously for them to
say that there's no need for
additional gas stations.
That's just not correct. And
what what we see is that the
competitors down there aren't
really interested in a
district 19 or anything else
down there. They're just there
to run the gas stations. They
have. They do nothing for the
community. If you if if you
are seeing the stations are
run down, the quality of
things they serve. He's very
meager whereas at convenience
store that they have fresh
meet. Milk and a lot of other
products that the people in
that area needing can't get to
without trying to cross
Keystone. We believe that to
the competition down or would
be. Very good for the 19th
district because everybody's
going to have to up their
game. In charge. Ferry gas
prices. We're not gonna have a
monopoly. Basically. So the
next thing I want address is
exhibit 7 and then runs
traders. Filings. Sure they
had 190 signatories on their
petition opposing on. Well,
we've went through those
signatures and found that many
of them had the same
handwriting, hardly any of
them had to address listed.
And we found that almost the
phone numbers that were
listed. Legitimate. They were
nonexistent. And then the ones
that we do talk to about 10 of
them said they didn't even
accept for 2 people. They
didn't even remember every
signing a petition and they
were for the gas station for a
being sore one too soon. The
one we're talking about
getting gas so they could
continues stand business. In
fact, one lady that we talked
to. Just like us. We're all
said she once against to be
built at a convenience store.
She lives closely by and him
to cross the street. It's such
a busy intersection is
inconvenient and dangerous.
There's also a mental health
facility nearby. And those
folks have to do the same
thing. These are all people
that live east of Keystone.
And that's where there's a big
residential area back there.
She's worried about the
patients who would have to
cross the street. She can walk
to going to be new storm back
to the routes within 10
minutes. She likes How it all
in one stop shop and makes it
very convenient or well.
That's a person they had
listed that signed the
petition against. Putting gas
that this location. And we
found that with a number of
people think 42.6, 3% had
phone numbers that don't even
work. I would say that that
the those petitioners
shouldn't have any relevance
at all today. In or even upset
that they were, it was
representations that they had
signed it. We on the other
hand, got 108 signatures all
from the neighbors around the
neighborhood. We filed those
in all of them have the names,
addresses, phone numbers in
all of them were very
supportive and several. Those
were the PRESIDENT's of
neighborhood associations.
Specter. Well, next, we saw a
letter from McKenna which MR.
Burton's has sent every time,
we have never had any contact
with contractor, the
neighborhood associations of
contacted her. There was no
meeting, nothing. She
basically just sent us letter
she sent to last 3 times
because we want to explain to
her that whole situation and
change your the benefit of the
doubt from 2022. And we also
had a traffic study. But we
want to assure that shows that
there's no. Increase in
traffic traffic that's going
to be done or no question
about it. So wasn't going to
add any more traffic to the
area. So I I would close with
Tony of that. You know, the
city have the plan. And in
that point municipal plan and
they didn't want any more gas
stations. Well. There's many
gas stations going up
everywhere. Law, mean, you
name going up every place. And
here's a place that can really
use it. And it helps develop a
piece of property that set
almost 10 years. And all they
want to do is be able to
compete with. The other with
the other stores. And that's
you know, that's somebody
said, congratulations, sir.
United States for 250
th-anniversary and that's what
we're built on capitalism. In
the ability to compete and
compete fairly. We believe
that this is a very positive.
To bring the equal competition
and they'll help cancel the
district. 19. COUNCILMAN, the
scare is already the stab wish
that it been the owner many
times to see all the things
I'm talking about. They have
taken place. Thank you, MR.
Khan, I will now call on the
movement's traitors to state
their case again. Remember
that you have 20 minutes total
for your presentation,
regardless of how many
speakers participate, you MAY
choose not to use the full 20
minutes or save a portion for
it. A portion of it for your
rebuttal. Again, our clerk
will keep track of the time
and it, but it will sound when
your time is up. Mind the
clock. Just a second. Well, we
ready? Okay. Very good. Thank
Got my name is Greg Zoo
Members of the City County
Council. A pleasure to be here
and to talk to about this
case. I'm an attorney with
offices of back at 1, 0, 4, 7,
5, Cross Pointe Boulevard.
Indianapolis, Indiana. I
represent the Keystone Food
Mart which operates a bp
fueling station and
convenience store located at
39 50 South Keystone, which is
located catty corner from the
subject property. My client
has been in the operation of
its since the subject property
currently owned On llc was
rezoned in 2017. C 4 with a
lot of commitments saying what
uses could not be made. Before
I get into the specifics of
say there are 2 sides to every
pancake, no matter how thin it
is. And I'm going to give you
the other side in this case. I
hope. Prior to 2016, the
subject property was zone c 3
and in 2016, a petition was
filed to rezone a to c 4 by
the then property owner. The
rezoning was granted. But with
a list of commitments that
prohibit a variety of certain
uses a whole laundry list of
things. My client. At that
time long on came along in
this matter. My client was one
of the entities that was
involved in those matters in
2016 before the Metropolitan
Development Commission. All of
these commitments were
generated and one of the
commitments stated that the
following uses as defined by
zoning ordinance for Marion
County, Indiana shall be
prohibited as permitted uses.
One was automobile fueling
station. This property was not
zoned for an automobile
fueling station. It was
rezoned to see for with the
commitment that it would not
be used for an automobile
feeling station on that basis.
My client did not remind
straight there was settlement
back in 2016, those
commitments recorded in 2070.
So my point was there long
before that was involved what
was happening at this
location. The this is our 7th
hearing on this matter. 7
Terry. We had a hearing in
2002 in front of the hearing
examiner to modify the
commitments, takeout. They
want to do it they wanted to
have a few links. This
prohibition against a fueling
station taken out. We did that
and they they lost that the
hearing and you have this in
your path that the hearing
examiner Judy Works held duty
awards hall had a substantial
hearing. There on straight
ers. The record. We had all
kinds of signatures from
people that didn't want hurt
MISTER, MR. Khan, talk about
some of those signatures in
the most recent hearing. They
had no support in that hearing
from anybody that appear
before Judy for the hearing
examiner. I think that
representative or of
commission COUNCILMAN Else get
it right here. Council mass
Kerry had been indicated to be
in favor of this along council
COUNCILMAN Bill. But in 2002,
the hearing examiner deny,
made a negative
recommendation. It went in
front of a full Metropolitan
Development Commission in 2002
to remove this staff was
against it. Staff said staff
said that this is not a proper
use at this location. You have
I hope a copy of the staff
report which is substantial.
It's basically been the same
report 3 times in 2022 2024
2026 saying that this is not
an appropriate use McCAnn, a
which counsels critical love.
Sounds to me the the Marion
County Alliance of
Neighborhood Associations
saying Iit's PRESIDENT Wrote a
letter and 2022 saying that
that zoning didn't provide
Fort. The comp plan didn't
provide for, you know, the
comp plan's not some ancient
document that was done in
2016, 2017 approved by the
Metropolitan Development
Commission. And and approved
by the council. What is the
comp plan say about this? It's
not supposed to be c for you
says and I'll get into that
typology as to what's
proposed. So Mike Hanna wrote
a letter and I I guess I
thought that McKenna has it's
as as the whole Marion County
Alliance, the the umbrella
Group had some understanding
of what could and should be
billed. And staff rode a
report that said that the
property should not be rezone.
Let me go back to the
purchase. You know, this was
vacant and it was in bad
shape. In 19. I'm sorry in
2022. On llc bought the
subject property for $199,999.
You should have the sales
report. Whether you've looked
at or not. I don't that
there's a dispute it was in
bad shape it was purchased.
Had an assessed value at the
time of 188,500 for the
disclosure document that was
signed by. So wind are saying
for on llc and the address
given for that entity. Amadeo
Elsie was 1, 3, 1, ditch road
Carmel, Indiana, which turns
out to be the residents of
South Wind are saying and his
wife, cower, which Carmel
shown that be 3.9 one acres
with an assessed value of 3.6,
5 million dollars. They did.
Well, the U.S. Couple did
well. Lot of gas stations
through a lot of places. They
bought this property. This
property was purchased. This
property was purchased with
knowledge that there was a
commitment and this puts the
first petition 2022 was filed
4 months after it was
purchased for $199,000. Hardly
ink was dry on the sales
disclosure document. The
hearing examiner at one of the
hearings. I've been at all 6
hearings, the hearing examiner
at one of the hearings asked.
MR. Wind are saying were you
aware that there was this
commitment on the property
when you bought when I'm on
board? The answer was yes. So
we have a savvy businessman
who bought this property
knowing that that commitment
was there. I've been at this
for 49 years. It'll be 50 in
OCTOBER. People don't buy
commercial property with if
they have if they have certain
contingencies that have to be
met and this wasn't that
MISTER, MR. I'll I'll see. But
MR. Winter sing bought it
knowing that this commitment
was there and then immediately
came to the hearing examiner
asked for a group Reese
rescission of that We then
we've after after the hearing
examiner declined to make a
positive recommendation. We
had a full hearing in front of
the Metropolitan Development
Commission and the
Metropolitan Development
Commission in 2022. Did not
give relief from the from the
commitment that there should
not be a gas station on here
on the basis that it wasn't
zone for it. The comprehensive
plan certainly didn't call for
As a matter of fact, the
comprehensive plan, which I
expect you all are familiar
with, provides that there's
not even to be a auto fueling
facility in. This is in the in
in the comprehensive plan for
this property. So there are
way outside the comp plan. Can
I see going to can I see that
map? We can you put that up
there? I don't know whether
you love seeing all the
exhibits or not. Are several
gas stations in this area. As
a matter of fact, there are 5
there were 5 at the time that
this there's there's You can
see on the map. Can you? Turn
it so that you can show all
the different gas stations
between between the
interchange at Keystone
Avenue. Can you turn it a
little bit between the
interchange at Keystone Avenue
and this property of 4,000
South Keystone, there are 5
gas stations, one of which is
owned by g GOD llc or thank a
principle of which is MR. Wind
are saying and for Paul cars,
the resident agent that 1, 3,
1, Carmel, Indiana, one of
their other gas stations. So
they've got 1, 7, tenths of a
mile within 7 tenths of a mile
of this station. There are 5
other of this location. There
are 5 other gas stations and
there and I might add that in
2026. You rezoned after a
hearing in front of the
Metropolitan Development
Commission, another parcel
that is that is in 0, 7 acre
stretch 2 c 4, which would
allow for yet another gas
station and plans were even 5
with the Metropolitan
Development Commission for
that other So there are lots
of gas stations in here. So so
we don't have we have this
attempt to to take up the
modification the 2022, we come
back and try the same thing in
2024. Same thing. In 2023. The
financial report of
representative of Scary and
COUNCILMAN Dealt show $1100
contribution to their
campaigns or their their funds
from South Wind are saying
$1100 each and then in 2024,
when we come back for the
second time we have we have a
letter of support that
COUNCILMAN Matt Scary. He's
written saying they ought to
get gas by that time in 2024,
there is a convenience store
bill and it is nice. I can
tell you it is nice. Brick
looks good. Counsel's told
about the pictures. It looks
really good. No gas station,
south wind or sing comes to
the hearing in 2024. Before
the Metropolitan Development
Commission. And this asked by
one of the commissioners, if
you don't get this reason, if
you don't get this relief from
this commitment for hitting
you from selling gas, are you
going to open it? And he says
I'm not going open that. We
can play the tape. If you need
to lights part of the pack
that that we that we submitted
to you. And if you want to see
the tape, we can play with us.
I'm not going open it. He
loses in front of the mdc. The
mdc says we're not going to
give you relief. Staff says
you shouldn't have relief.
It's not suitable. There's
adjacent residential here. It
doesn't fit with a gas
station. That's a high
intensity. Use. They lose that
they failed to get positive
result in that case. Now we
come back in 2024. And here we
are again. And now we have
because they couldn't take
that appealed to you or to
anybody else because
modification of the commitment
is not appealable. So they
come back and file acs
rezoning. They want to have
commercial special use and
guess what the special uses on
this property, a gas station.
So now we're back for the 5th
time on a gas station in for a
the Metropolitan front of the
hearing examiner who once
again rules that there
shouldn't be a gas station at
this location. Recommended
recommendation of denial. And
then we go to the Metropolitan
Development Commission earlier
this year. Councils there. I'm
there. The parties are there.
And again, the Metropolitan
Development Commission rules
that the property should not
be re-zoned for a gas station.
Every one of these times it
every one of these cases, the
staff has written a report
that is basically the same
saying this doesn't belong
here. The comprehensive plan
doesn't contemplate it. The
zoning doesn't contemplate it.
A gas station doesn't belong
at this location. We don't
need another gas station.
That's what mechanics. That's
what my client negotiated for
way. Back in 2022 in this map,
you'll see that there are 5
other gas stations. We've just
had a rezoning that would
allow for a 6th and now they
want to have another gas
station. Let me say. When the
when I'm on bought this
property, a man who headed up
by MR. Supporters say. And the
original hearing, he said he
said. Want to get this wrong.
Online. Llc owns and operates
a total of 40 filling stations
and convenience stores
Indianapolis Metro area. No
complaints or violations from
local, state or federal
government has been in
business many years. Well,
that's true. He's been very
successful. I don't know about
the complaint because in this
case we've got a lot of
complaints. We've got zoning
violations since this since
convenience store opened in
2024, we've got we've got
violations from the Marion
County Health Department,
which you have in the packet
that was given you and I can
go through the specifics of
them. If you want. Time is
limited here. And so I'm not
sure there's been such good
vetting of the operations that
are conducted by on llc or
other or related entities. Him
to say that there haven't been
violations at this location
since it opened in 2024. Is
not right. There have been
violations and it's in your
packet. We can we can go
through them specifically if
you want signage violations,
there's somebody by the name
will Mahar llc. That's also
cited as a violator in 2025.
2026 after the stores open in
your pack. Mahar llc, uproar
Mahar is apparently operator.
I guess a tenant. There's
referenced in the report from
the this is a neighborhood
services department. The
inspector that Mahar as a
tenant and there are
violations of zoning
ordinances, signage. And then
the Marin County Health
Department apparently got a
bounced check from the Har llc
for its license. I don't even
know that's licensed. My point
of all, this is well council
wants to make MR. Some wonder
saying our online llc, gist of
just an absolute Abbott Haro
of performance. I'm telling
you that at this station, if
you look at the documents that
we've submitted, the owner of
this property MAY not be the
operator MAY be Mahar llc is
in fact the operator or the
tenant there have been several
violations at this location.
So now that that that doesn't
reflect well upon an extension
of the of the other use.
Council's asked for her. I'm
going to say. In conclusion is
appreciated. That zoning is a
legislative function made by
the body politic. And that is
you, however, the record in
this case does not support the
rezoning army to allow this
property have a fueling
station. With all due respect
to the counselors who have
supported that. Calling up of
this matter and with
recognition of the
relationship of Wind are
saying they've won 3, 1, ditch
road in Carmel as a supporter
of them in with the
recognition of the new
convenience store at the site
being an improvement over
previous structure. So the
site there is nothing
substantive to support this
rezoning on bought the
property for almost $200,000
in 2022. Bill to permit a
convenience store was well
aware of the commitments there
on received the benefit of its
bargain. That exactly where
part floor and then decided to
go ahead. And I let me say
that I have never heard
anything about all this
negotiation, but well, we'll
go ahead and build a
convenience store to see how
it goes. We've got a guy that
we have an entity, a principal
of that entity who has I think
I thought I heard council said
maybe 100 locations, 100
businesses and and went ahead
and built this convenience
store without gas. And now
comes in now for the 7th time
after 6, the Niles by the
hearing examiner, the mdc
seeking a gas station. I want
to talk a little bit about
about the of the staff report.
For a run out of time. The
staffer for provided in part
The request would rezone the
site to siesta provide for c 3
uses automobile fueling
station. The cs designed is
designed to permit within a
single zoning district. Multi
use commercial complexes or
land use combinations of
commercial and non-commercial
uses for single use commercial
projects. Then the staff
report goes on to say the
special commercial district is
that is established for the
following purposes. One to
encourage a more creative
approach in land, planning
superior site and structural
design and development to to
provide for use of land with a
highly functional news. 3 to
ensure compatibility with land
uses both within cs and
adjacent areas for to permit
special consideration of
property with outstanding
features, including but not
limited to store or potential
or social significance. To
provide maximum adaptability
and flexibility in zoning and
development controls to meet
the changing and diverse needs
of metropolitan area. Here's
what staff concludes in 2026.
Staff believes that the
development of this site with
a gasoline station does not
align with any of the above
purposes that the ordinance
outlines for the cs District.
It is already zoned c 4, which
permits 59 primary land uses.
An additional. Specific I'm
sorry land uses and 26
accessory uses. Furthermore,
many of those land, land
categories identify additional
specific uses within the Cold
War in staff's opinion. The
site as many permitted uses
that would serve the
surrounding neighborhood and
support the plan. The other
thing I want to talk about the
comp plan. Staff believes that
the convenience stores
improvement of the site that
fallen into Disrepair, and
supports the plan.
Recommendations of village
mixed use. However. Further
development of the site for an
automobile feeling station
would increase the commercial
intensity and encroachments
that would be detrimental to
the surrounding land uses. But
introducing increased traffic
noise, lighting trash into the
area council talked about a
traffic study. There is no
traffic study. I haven't seen
a traffic study. There was no
traffic's that there were some
traffic counts that were put
in a traffic study as you I'm
sure know. It's something that
either Dmd can request or
individual can voluntarily do.
That was not done in this
case. They're going to be more
stops in and out of the
station if going to be gas
there, there's a residential
zoning as as the staff report
points out to the East d 3
single-family dwelling zoning.
So now we're going to put it.
They want to put a gas station
that's going to operate. 24 7
next to dwellings. 3
incompatible use. And the comp
plan says it shouldn't.
Shouldn't be used to. The last
thing I want to talk about in
the comp plan is the specifics
of the village mixed use
Typology, which is what this
is. And then in in their their
is a specific statement in the
comp plan approved by. The
commission and and and I
council. No fueling stations.
So the comp plan expressly
calls us out. Based upon this.
We respectfully request come
that the council go along with
the past 6 recommendations.
From the mdc and that hearing
examiner and not allow fueling
station. Thank you for your
time. Happy to take any
questions. Thank you. This
matter matter was advertised
for public hearing. And I will
now call on public comment
from anyone in attendance. His
interest in the matter has not
already been included, are
discussed any way by either
side. If you have submitted a
letter or email or sign
petition for either side or if
you are neighborhood resident
who has already been
represented by chosen
spokesperson. Your comments
will have to be included in
the remaining time. A lot of
for rebuttal comments from
anyone whose interest has not
been covered by either side
are limited to 2 minutes per
individual. And once again,
our clerk will be setting the
timer so that you will. Know,
when your time is up, please
be respectful of the time and
conclude your comments when
you hear that. But are will
begin by checking in with
MADAM Clerk for any names. Are
it of individuals who have
signed up to give public
testimony on this matter?
MADAM Clerk.
Thank you Hello.
My name is Jacob Morales. I
live in District 13. We're 6
to 0, 1, I'm here to remind
straight against the gas
station. In fact, you'll
probably find the rim on
straining against any gas
station. I believe that there
way too many gas stations here
in Marion County. In not just
5 in the area. There are 2
within 1000 feet. This current
location. I also like to make
it quick correction to
something that the up
Petitioner said. He said one
that I bring in this gas
station that it will attract
new business is right. It's
going to bring more people to
the area, more shopping, more
businesses. That sounds great.
And then it goes to contradict
himself by saying that the
traffic study there will be no
more traffic. Actually, it's
going to be exactly the same.
So which is it? And then he
goes on to talk about
capitalism and how despite
selling, you know, great
goods, fresh foods, fresh
meats. Sounds like a bodega.
He will not be able to survive
that they will not be able to
survive business. And gee, I
wonder why bodegas thrive on
having really any housing I'm
going to just hold this up for
people in the audience just to
kind of see what the
intersection looks like. Does
this look like a with some
counselors MAY describe as a
as a smart city as as some
place where people can go to
support their local
businesses. Small the day is
like this can stay in
business. It. I don't think
so. This is just going to be
another case of one gas
station, catty corner to
another, maybe eventually for
lucky. We'll get a used tire
shop. Who knows? But with that
said, I just like to wrap up
way too many gas stations.
Please, please, please urge
the mdc to either enact a
moratorium, especially
especially along public
transit routes. These routes
are designed for buses. We
should not be adding more cars
into makes which honestly.
Mentioned safety as well.
Right? What that people are
afraid to cross the street in
their vehicles or on foot and
thank you so much for your
time. Thank you. Are there any
is there anyone else in the
audience that wishes to speak
zoning case? Please state your
name. Hi. My name is Randy
Berryman. I would like to ask.
It's normal for a PRESIDENT
For McCAnn. A to write a
letter numerous times on the
exact same thing. I would also
like to draw attention that
we've had more time hearing
about a gas station. Then we
have the entire time public
speaking about data centers in
India. Additional comments. At
this time last the petition
air that you can use remaining
of your time for any other
additional comments are
rebuttal. MADAM Clerk, how
much time is remaining? John 4
minutes? 10 seconds. Thank one
thing of interest, I would
tell you that in the last
hearing. There were 3 votes
for many votes. And for me, it
is. In the 3 votes I think are
interesting because one was
John Dillon Husel CHAIRMAN,
the zoning appeals board. The
other one is Brandon. Her get.
Who is many of, you know, was
head of the Department of
Public Works. And Bridgette
Robinson. Those 3 people voted
yes, to allow. And I think
those 3 people program as much
knowledge anybody about zoning
and what's needed and not
needed. The other thing is I
we know what to say about the
comment. COUNCILMAN Miscarry
getting political donations.
19 or 2023 Wilson Election
Year where he had of opponent
and many of us and this
actually attended fundraisers
on his behalf. And I and I
take I can believe somebody
would bring that up. This is
just told you something about
the people. Again, when you
look at the people that voted
for this, obviously he didn't
bring one thing up about the
all the petitions. They filed
190 petitions. Not one word
about those will be almost all
phony that were presented as
evidence in the last couple.
He runs and we finally decided
to serve making phone calls
because we're getting phone
calls from some people say I
never signing the petition and
plus a limb for this. And he
made the best. What best for
you when you made was for for
should add is that all these
people who live on the east
side of this. Older people
sink are very elderly
pensions, etcetera. And
they're the ones that sign the
petitions for us to allow
guests so they would have to
be able to get go there and
get food and not have that.
Can not a of the store clothes
so you know, MR. Is a very
good businessman. He was
trying. It is trying to do
something positive for this
area where he lived for many
years. You know, they keep
talking about we're going to
bring in all you can bring in
all these other businesses.
You know, many businesses
contacted our office or MISTER
Saying about wanting to come
in there. 0. 2017, not one.
And then well, you can put you
can put a a 2 story apartments
in there. If you knew the site
that's impossible. This is
tough site we've got gentleman
as well. And he's already
spent over a million dollars
to try to make it work and
he's willing to go forward and
do that with gas. But you
don't get gas on or what might
happen. So. Thank you very
take questions now are thank
you, MR. Khan, thank you both
for your presentation this
evening. At this time, any
council who wishes to speak be
a lot of 2 minutes for each
question and for debate Sony
regarding this zoning case.
Pete, please be advised that
you will be limited to 2
minutes in order to be
respectful of the published
process everyone else's time.
Additional comments counts are
this is just a simple
question. Scary. But basically
you as a district council
believe that and gas service
at this location would benefit
your constituents. Yes,
absolutely. You recently
Walmart families closed
actually east of this is the
and a commons. And has a 60
homeless folks they need to
going of food. They've been
going to this also. The
Wal-Marts is going to reopen
it in end of the month.
Believe. But I think it says a
gas war simple as that. The
only re monsters we have is
the other gas stations
counseling. Additional
comments. Cancer kale. Thank
you, MADAM PRESIDENT, this
property is immediately across
the street from the council
boundaries. So COUNCILMAN
Scary has the east side of
Keystone eye of the West. And
in fact, just to the south of
here, actually both sides of
the street in Roselle Hills. I
have heard that for as long as
been going on. I've heard from
in particular Rosedale Hills,
but I from from some people in
University Heights that are
both adjacent neighborhoods
that they are in favor of
this. That the it really
didn't get discussed here. But
the property across the street
that's in my district is
almost completely abandoned
strip mall. As a result, we
have a lot of crime occurring
there. To your point, there is
additional housing being built
my district the residents are
senior citizens that have
expressed an interest to this
new location as well. And I
can say that I've worked much
of my career in the
convenience store industry and
the reality is this is a
suburban environment and
making non gas convenience
store is it's just almost
impossible. There was one in
your district. For 31. It just
closed a couple weeks ago. I
never knew how they were going
to make it without gas and
they did. And so the neighbors
have communicated to me
repeatedly that they are
supportive of this because it
is some kind of development
here. Comment. There isn't any
other interest. I wish there
was because I'd love for
something to be built on my
side of the street. But this
is the best thing that has
come along and so on. I'm
certainly gonna support. Thank
you. Thank you. Additional
comments counselors, Brown.
Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT.
Want to try to be brief in
respect Seminoles are getting
late. I first wanted to call
out. Just ridiculous it is to
pretend like money wouldn't be
given to politicians to get a
political outcome. I think
that's just flatly absurd on
its face, especially when what
happened was not $1100 was
given to just come from a
scary it was going also the
same amount to cause a And
it's a rare person who lives
in Carmel, Indiana, who feel
so strongly about Indianapolis
politics that they want to
both help a Republican and a
Democrat win on the south side
of town. It's probably not
being motivated by their
sincerely held beliefs. It's
probably being motivated by
who they think could scratch
their back a little bit later.
That doesn't seem like a
ridiculous thing to state. It
seems comes it suggests that
as as Mr Khan mentioned, there
are many other people in the
room, you know, that's Gave
$500 council escape that same
year. Yeah. So you're right.
There are a lot of people who
get engaged in this type of
business. I don't think that
makes it right and that I
don't think that means we
shouldn't be questioning it. I
don't know if this is true. I
believe I might be the
counselor who lives closest to
a gas station. I'm 1.5 blocks.
I'm not anybody has b b.
Whenever police are called in
my neighborhood, it's to the
gas station. That's a block
and a half from my house.
Whenever people leave their
rolling papers whenever people
leave their drug paraphernalia
when shootings happened a gas
station near my house. You
heard one of my constituents
speak-up earlier about what
I've heard consistently, which
is we do not need any more gas
stations in the city and most
constituents feel the way most
people don't want to live near
a gas station, which is why
MISTER Doesn't live near a gas
station. He lives up Carmel,
not here in Indianapolis,
close to the 6 gas stations
owned sites that we're talking
about. Finally, I just want to
point out that this room, at
least this half of the room is
filled with people who have
been participating and hearing
examiner hearings and hearings
in front of mdc. And they've
had very, very little ability
to hold developers
accountable, very little
ability. The one thing they
can do is with commitments.
And right now was watching a
developer just wanting to
throw commitments in the trash
for business sense. What
message are we sending in
terms of corruption and in
terms of accountability of
vote for this tonight is right
now. Additional comments will
counselors. CHAIRMAN, scary
Thank you. Thank you. MADAM
PRESIDENT, you know, one test
and one thing in 2010 or 11
when Iran first time $0
anyone. I played the game
raise $3,000 of my own. I
believe in it. It took no
money. No one and I want so
here nor there campaign many
people taking thousands
dollars to get this job. But
like I said before, the only
Vermont stated we have. Is
another gas station. MADAM
PRESIDENT elect for reasons
I've already stated, I move.
City council overturned
emitted from Development
Commission's decision
regarding proposal. Number 2,
6, 2026 rezoning case 2025
zone 84. Approving the
petition. I so move. The
motion has been properly moved
and seconded according to
state 3, this majority vote,
which is 15 votes is required
to overturn any zoning
decision certified to the
council by the Metropolitan
Development Commission. Any Vo
less than 15 Shelby declare
indecisive in the proposal.
Shell take effect pursuant to
I c 36. That's 7 dash 4 dash
608, based on MISS Carries
motion a yea vote will be a
vote to overturn the nbc's
decision and approve the
petition their pie there by
passing it into law. A nay
vote will be a vote to uphold
the nbc's decision to deny the
petition. We'll now go to the
board for a vote. The motion
carries 23. 2, But now proceed
to special orders and business
proposal. Number one, 62
referred to admin a finance
committee CHAIRMAN. Scary.
There go. Thank you. Thank
you, MADAM. PRESIDENT
Proposal, one 62 modifies is
sever ordinances related to
the human resource for
Division employee
compensation. In Lee for the
city and county employees pass
on the committee 0. I so move.
The most in his second year.
Their comments counselors.
Santa proceed to the board for
a vote. The proposal carries
24 to 0 the next item on our
agenda pose a number one. 27
refer to Metropolitan in
Economic Development Committee
CHAIRMAN Mostly. Thank you,
Madam. PRESIDENT Proposal.
Number one, 27 2026. Call for
the council to except for the
record, the 2026 admission for
the 2025 calendar year. Tax
increment finance district
financial report. Pursuant to
I c 36 to 7 1, 5, 0.1 That's
36.3 The Metropolitan and
Economic Development Committee
reviewed and accepted this
report on JUNE 8th, a copy of
which is included in the
minutes of the committee
hearing and submitted to the
clerk for inclusion in the
council's general of
proceedings. No further action
is required from the council.
Thank you. Thank you, MR.
CHAIRMAN, the next item on our
agenda proposal. Number one,
64 referred Metropolitan in
Economic Development Committee
CHAIRMAN Al Sully. Thank you.
MADAM PRESIDENT. Which consent
I would like to take proposal
numbers. 1, 6, 5, 2, 1, 7, 7,
and 1, 7, 9, through 1, $0.08
We need to do one. 64 0st.
Proposal. Number 1, 6, 4,
proves the statement of
benefits for Zuma.
International Inc and
applicant for tax abatement
for property located in an
economic revitalization area
defined by I c 36, 10, 7 dash,
1, 5, 0.1 dash 26. The
proposal failed to pass out of
committee. By a vote of 5 to 5
and MADAM PRESIDENT, I move.
Cancer heart. MADAM MADAM
PRESIDENT Has stated by the
chair, the motion was made
just proposal. Number one, 64
2026 to the full council to
divest recommendation not pass
it. It was a 5 to 5 result.
And since that time, I want to
give some context. One lesson
I learned, never take a
vacation on a Monday. So I
wasn't unable to make the
committee that evening to this
explanation. But this is a
part of a massive
redevelopment on the east side
of Indianapolis. So
historically, there was a this
the site that used to have
6,000 employees on the east
side of Indianapolis that shut
down in 2011 and then years
later, a developer loud came
in and started cleaning site.
They divided it into 4
quadrants. This is statement
benefits for the northeast
quadrant for an organization
that is a manufacturing
facility. What's really cool
to talk about this, the site
and he's been able to do and
bring in folks like this is
the lot of jobs or they're
bringing back to the side.
It's not as impactful as what
once was with for. That's very
tough bench to hit the head
6,000 employees that time.
When we left, the originally
came in that that they're
going to be around 2.50, 300.
They're now closer to 1000 the
full build out of this entire
site was actually amazing
thing in this job or
development itself is around
350 of that. And those are
manufacturing jobs, which of
those things we don't see very
often and so I'm very
supportive of this proposal
because it is helping out the
residents and on the side
helping out the things that we
need to do and redevelop some
of these old brownfield sites
from my understanding, you
know, watching back the video
just going through some points
that I wish I could have to
explain the commitments of
benefits and where this is
impactful for. And so, you
know, that's it's split into 2
buckets of where those dollars
to go in. One bucket is the
pending trail. So the site
essentially sits on top right
below the pens, the trail 90
percent of the dollars go
towards the Penske trail
towards improvements and
infrastructure. There. And
then there's $10,000 that I
asked sent to the Cumberland.
Cdc and why that is is because
earlier with the same site
with the Thunderbirds site, we
appropriated $50,000 to the
Cumberland cdc to help with a
design plan and market
analysis. Study on the
Washington Square Mall. So
you'll heard me talk a million
times about how Washington on
my district. We've got to do
something about it. And so
since MARCH of this year,
we've been doing redevelopment
plan on that mall with
partners from Louth as the
sponsors Far East Side
Community Council. My so
Cumberland Schmidt Associates
is the architect firm on it.
And then you ally approached
me and said, hey, we would
love to be a part of this. And
we have this thing that's
called a tap program and which
they bring experts in the
field into a two-day study.
And recently the Grassy Creek
trail was opened up just north
of my district. And that is
slated to head head straight
down to the pens, a trail with
intially over the years. And
what the you ally and what
we've been talking about is
how can we actually create a
bridge over Washington Street
and show what that development
would look like? The cost of
that development to have plans
through you ally. And that's
what that $10,000 intended for
from this. And so that that is
a big part of the vision for
the east side of Indianapolis
to help with the connectivity.
This makes that possible with
the community impact payment
majority that stays right
there on the trail that exist.
But we do want to try and do
some future planning to help
make that site more
attractive. That so much on.
So MADAM PRESIDENT, that's the
details here. And as a result,
I believe that the concerns
expressed at the committee
meeting by my fellow
councilors have been
addressed. I've talked to this
is a minority leader since
then expend a lot of this a
whole lot more detail, as I
say for the evening at a time.
So therefore move for adoption
of the proposal. One, 64 2026
cancer. Can I stop you before
you make your motion? MISTER
CHAIRMAN Kenny Withdrawal
Year? Original motion. Sorry
cancer. Thank you, MADAM
PRESIDENT, I'm happy to
Israel. Thank you. So
therefore, I move for adoption
of proposal. Number one, 64
2026. We have answer any
questions. And with Emotion
that in a second comments from
cancer assistant him out.
We'll Thank you, MADAM
PRESIDENT and colleagues. I
appreciate conversation
tonight. We had a robust
conversation and dc about the
specific property. I think
it's a amazing development. I
think it emphasizes
specifically at the
Thunderbird site. There were.
We're seeing a lot of positive
development going. They're not
really having the challenge is
to develop that site. The kind
of exist another industrial
area. Some weather that's
being recognized had really
good conversations with the
developer and the company. You
know, one of the one of the
concerns that I had was well,
that's a great development for
this. I want to make sure that
the benefits that are being
generated at the sites are
seen in the neighborhoods
where the development is
actually happening. And so I
think we're able to achieve
that goal. But I think as we
look to the future, we seem to
continue to be mindful,
obviously, we're respecting
counselor discretion, but also
just continue to collaborate
work on that. I do appreciate
council heart for the
conversation in doing that. So
I'll be supporting the
proposal. One 64 this evening
and asked my colleagues to say
thank you, comments regarding
proposal. One 64. Seeing no
per se to the board for a
vote. The proposal carries a
24 to 0 the next item on our
agenda proposal. Number one,
65 CHAIRMAN. Mostly. Thank
you. MADAM PRESIDENT. With
consent. I would not now like
to take opposing members 1, 6,
5, 1, 7, 7, And 1, 7, 9, 3, 1,
8, 6, together. Please Does
everyone sure about with that?
Proposal? Number 1, 6, 5,
approves a pilot for project
entitled Rebuilding The
Village located at 59. 35 West
56th Street. Proposal. Number
1, 6, 6, approves a pilot for
project Entitle Laurelwood
Apartments. Around terrace
located at 33 40 Teakwood
Drive 14. 55 South Bancroft
Street and 13. 27 Riley place.
Proposal. Number 1, 6, 7,
Approves a pilot for project
entitled Kind of Commons.
Phase 2 located at 28, 80 East
Hannah Avenue. Proposal.
Number 1, 6, 8, 2026 approves
a pilot for project entitled
The Holcombe. Located at 15.
45 Van Buren Street. Opposed
number 1, 6, 9, approves a
pilot for project entitled
Emerson Place Apartments
located at 21 10. No place.
Proposal. Number 1, 7, 1, 70.
Approves. A pilot for project
entitled Hope Side. Senior
Housing located 1915, 2005
East, 25th Street. Proposal.
Number 1, 7, 1, oppose a pilot
for project entitled Twin
Hills and Blackcurrant Harris
located at 20 to 10 East 36th
Street 30 91 Baltimore Avenue.
And 30 38 Hillside Avenue.
Proposal. Number 1, 7,
approves a pilot for project
entitled Judas, Senior Village
located at 39. 69 Meadows
Drive. Proposal. Number one,
73. Approves a pilot for
project entitled Life Village
located at 32 19 Orchard
Avenue in 1927, 1946. In 1950,
East 32nd Street. The Bulls
number 1, 7, 4, Approves. A
pilot project entitled Ritz on
Illinois, located at 34 0, 4,
34 32 34 34 34 38 and 34 44
North Illinois Street. But
number 1, 7, 5, approves a
pilot for project entitled The
Drink Apartments located at
30, 60 North Korean Street.
Proposal. Number 1, 7, 6, up.
It was a part of her project
entitled Beachwood Gardens and
Hawthorne Place located at 29
15, North Graham Avenue and
52. 44 East, 5th East 32nd
Street. Proposal. Number 1, 7,
7, was a pilot for project
entitled Cornerstone
Apartments located 38 0, 2,
And 38 10 North Franklin Road.
Proposal. Number 1, 7, 9, a
pilot for project entitled
Grassy Creek Commons located
at 36. 0, 1, north of the
middle road. Proposal. Number
1, 8, 0, That was a pilot for
project entitled Union at
Astor located at 14. 37 15, 30
15. 33. C street. 14. 22 15 28
Esther Street and to 19,
Colleen Street. Proposal.
Number 1, 1, approves a pilot
for Project entitled Bakery
Living located at 13. 31 East
Washington street. Lows in the
morning to approve pilot for
project entitled Sherman Lofts
located at 37. 37 East
Washington Street. Proposal.
Number 1, 8, 3, 2026 approves
a pilot for project entitled.
Washington State located 17.
0, 1, I'm sorry, 17 2 and 17.
26 East Washington street. 12,
16 20 north Wolcott Street.
And 50 north Senate haven't.
Proposal number one in 4. Was
a pilot for project entitled
him. 22 south located at 17
22nd Street opposed number 1,
8, 5, was a pilot for project
entitled 16 Parc Apartments
located at 16. 21 North Park.
10 61 16 0, 4 Broadway Street
and 5.46 East 17th street. And
proposal. Number 1, 8, 6,
approves a punt for a project
entitled Damian Center, Psh.
Located at 14. 38 East
Washington Street. The
proposals passed out of
committee by a vote of 10 to
0. MADAM PRESIDENT. I some the
most been properly moved. And
second other comments from
counselors. Sandra, proceed to
the board for votes. The
proposal care proposals carry
24 to 0. The next item on our
agenda proposal. Number one,
18, I refer to public safety
and criminal Justice
Committee. The system Chair
Alan. Thank you. MADAM
PRESIDENT proposal member when
a team at 2026 amends Section
3, 8, 1, dash, 103, of the
code to require the curfew
ordinance anyone 17 years of
age and below do pass as a
maid. As Amanda add up
committee 7 to 4 so moved. The
most has been properly moved.
And second and other comments
will counselors cancer heart?
Thank you. MADAM Chair, this
is a proposal that was given
to me by by the public. They
raised awareness after we had
our first vote on the public
safety curfew hours and
essentially just bring it
back. And they brought to my
attention that 17 year-olds
were concluded. And so I went
I looked at the at the
ordinance and sure it was it
was true, right? They were not
included. And so as I got to
looking doing more research,
one of the things that I
discovered is that the first
homicide victim of the year
was a juvenile aged 17 past
curfew hours. And, you know, I
thought the argument that
given to me is that, you know,
a very good one that juveniles
at the age of 17 are still
juveniles right? The point of
this proposal, even with the
public's a few hours or any
group curfew hours given that
isn't just start going and
taking kids off the street. We
heard a lot of I think good
arguments that evening, one of
which from was the chief of
police telling us how just by
proposing this and having the
conversation and maybe there's
one or 2 or more conversations
that happened that evening at
home would be a positive
thing. So even if we get that
minimum accomplished that
tonight, that's a good thing.
But it's also about the
protections that are already
afforded juveniles are doing
the right thing, right? Folks
that are going to work doing
activities. This doesn't apply
to them right. This is
effectively given the tools to
the officers and making sure
that we're we're we're given
that ability to have that
level accountability. I still
think we have work to do is on
proposals that we still have
table here. I don't think this
is going to solve the problem
of crime in Indianapolis by
itself. I think there's a big
accountability problem a lot
of different areas. I think
Preble County ability is one
of those. And I think the
biggest opportunity we have at
this is if there are juveniles
that end up being picked up by
the police and they are
brought together with their
parent that there is a serious
conversation that happens at
the time that they are united.
I think that's the most
powerful thing that could come
out of this passing. We've got
a look at this as an
opportunity where we just came
off a weekend of the 4th of
JULY. Beach Cove just south of
my district, juvenile shooting
guns, right? I mean, I'm not
here to have a debate on gun,
we're here to have a debate on
on curfew and we are having a
lack of accountability for
those kids in those parents.
And this is one step that at a
minimum, at least connect
those in that give an
opportunity. With that, MADAM
PRESIDENT, I yield my time.
Additional comments. Will
counselors. Pastor Brown?
Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT. I
just want repeat some of my
comments from the last time we
talked about curfew. What
we're dealing with here is
political theater as the
council just mentioned. We're
not talking about guns here
tonight. We're talking about
curfew. And yet as soon as
these kids turn 18, they're
able to carry ridiculous
levels of weaponry around
openly on our streets. Thanks
to our state super majority.
I'm in favor of the Second
Amendment. I'm a pacifist
personally but think that
people should have the right
to bear arms. But when we
arbitrarily choose someone's
birthday as the time when all
the sudden they just have all
the rights of the world's only
available to them. I don't
think that's that's our kids
up for success. I do think
that's that's parents up for
success. No one proposal is
going to solve every problem
in the world. I get that. But
when I'm looking at
constituents of mine who've
sat here for hours to make
sure that there's someone
looking at our eyes who works
with children who works with
the youth, who has told us and
has testified before when we
did a public comment that this
is not the way to go. This is
not going to help. I think
someone has to listen to that
and speak up side. Debra about
now. Thank you. Thank you.
Council Roberts. Thank you,
MADAM PRESIDENT, I just wanted
to kind of explain my thought
process giving us a lot of
thought. Do plan voting for
it for a few reasons. First
and foremost, this is yet
another tool. I think we need
to be empowered impd with to
keep our city safe because for
all of this really for the
safety of the kids. Obviously,
we do not want anybody you
know, unsafe situation
downtown, where there could be
potential use guns. And I
think, you know, you
highlighted wealth. We could
be and forcing different
things will be different
conversation. But the reality
is it's not the that things
were empowered by the state
house to actually change. Also
one point that think about a
lot is how complex our current
curfew laws are. They're
different for people under 14
different people are 15 16
different for 17 18. Plus,
obviously that for weekdays
and weekends and if some
making up to me and asked me
to explain the intricacies of
the days that we can ages, I
cannot give them the real
answer little on. I'm sure an
officer little a child as
trying to figure it out. So to
me I trust impd officers will
have some level of situational
understanding of of the youth
and the not try to enforce in
a bad way. But you think this
is a step and I do give credit
for people have worked on this
because I did check him out on
a from last year after really
considering that intricacies
of the law. Thank you. Thank
you, counselor. Additional
comments. Councilor Bank.
Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT,
just want to thank the council
heart for his leadership on
this issue and appreciate the
bipartisan nature in which
this passed out of committee
and certainly not my place to
speak on behalf of the impd
chief. I think she spoke very
eloquently about the tough Rip
officers are facing and
believe this will be nothing
more more than a strong tool.
And there toolbox when they
come to addressing the severe
issues that we face our city.
So look forward to supporting
this tonight. Thank you.
Additional comments. Cancer
out. Thank you, MADAM
PRESIDENT, at. Pretty much
everyone knows my stance. And
this about adding 17 eur back.
Can we say that we're using
that tool? This is one tool
that does not show that is
actually data that actually
words our system that actually
works. And that's the reason
why I'm so against it. Why do
believe in accountability? I
am a supporter of impd. I do
believe this is a community
effort and we're going to
continue to find ourself here
in this same plays come the
come next year. And we're
going to be having this same
discussion because we haven't
came up with it. Something
that actually works. So if we
want to do something, we have
to make sure that if we're
going to talk about something
say we're gonna use tools, we
have to make sure that we're
having conversations and
making the right investment
into something that actually
works. And this is one right
now that does not work. And I
encourage my colleagues to not
support this proposal. Thank
you. Additional comments
seeing no proceed to the board
for a vote. The proposal fails
9 to 15. The next item on our
agenda proposal. Number one,
90 refer to public safety and
criminal Justice Committee.
Assistant Chair Alan MADAM
Chair. Thank you. MADAM.
PRESIDENT Proposal, number
one, 92,026 directs the city
county to require changes to
the Office Public Health and
Safety. After the added
completed by the office of it
and performance do pass as it
made a motion to divide
question, went through for
passed out of committee 6 to
5. And Phil question number 5
boat. 47, which failed so
MADAM PRESIDENT.
Yes, MADAM PRESIDENT. Got a
motion on my desk and there's
just a motion made.
council. She's area made the
motion and are read the
minutes as as it's already
separated. Do we still needed
to motion says separated
situation. Read it. I think
you still need to do a motion
to set aside. The separated
into body
MADAM PRESIDENT of the Public
Safety Criminal Justice
Committee on JUNE 10, 2026.
The committee voted by the
question with regard to
proposal one 90 2026. Like to
again move to divide the
question regarding proposal
one 90 2026 into 2 separate
votes as follows question one
which approves sections one
through 4 proposal. Number
one, 90 2026. And question
too, which approves section 5
proposal. Number one, 90 2026.
MADAM PRESIDENT. The reason
that we've divided this
question is after debate in
committee there was there was
there was support for holding
having the impacts phs of
coming back and having
additional reporting
requirements and things of
that nature of sections, one
through 4, which is what that
accomplish. And then Section 2
was a punitive portion that I
had written to the proposal
that would withhold funding if
they did not do any of the
sections. One through 4. And
that's why these that 2
questions were divided to have
One through 4 for question one
and section question to for
Section 5. So that's why I
decided to move to divide this
question. MADAM PRESIDENT. The
motion properly moved seconded
to divide the questions.
Comments regarding the motion
on the floor. Castor Brown.
Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.
Sorry, I'm talking a lot
tonight. I'm fine with the
motion by the question. This
makes sense. I just want to
take this opportunity to point
out, you know, sections want,
therefore think. Received a
fair amount of support. And I
think it's calling for extra
accountability and calling to
make sure the ethical rules
and standards are followed.
You know, I think that makes
sense. Even if a phs is doing
great work, which I think they
mostly are. I just wanted to
point out difference between
how we're treating this
department and how we're
treating, for example, the
other relationship with
American structure point that
Mayor Indian IndyStar
highlighted and how much of
dpw funding is going to
character 3 to enrich people
who then turn around and give
large donations to the mayor.
Yeah, we just had the public
hearing a few minutes ago
centered one central question
was campaign contributions and
how those impact policy. I
just find it really noteworthy
that. We're very concerned
about ethical issues when it's
just employees of the
enterprise who are perhaps,
you know, not using their best
judgment. Rather than the
mayor of our city. I will
support the motion by the
question. Then would support
sections went there for a but
I think that we are sharing
ourselves. We grants if we
don't take a stand on the
larger ethical issues at play
our city. Thank you. Thank
you. The additional comments
regarding the motion Florida's
separate the question. It will
proceed to the floor for a
vote. Select the Green Button
indicate that you want to
divide the question. That
motion fails 9 to 14. Sorry,
the motion fails 10 to 14
additional comments regarding
proposal. Number one, 90.
Seeing no proceed to the board
for a vote. Sorry. MADAM Clerk
said one second. I apologize.
The proposal fails 6 to 18.
MADAM PRESIDENT on 89
accident. We vote yes. Want to
vote no. And of take that.
Yes, thank you. Manfred said
we will get that change the
next item on our agenda
proposal. Number one, 91
referred of Public Committee.
Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT
Polson number one, 91 2026,
which authorizes the city
acting through the
metropolitan. There are a fair
district. Marion County, a
special taxing district
existing pursuant to ic 3, 6
dash 9 dash, 6.5 to issue or
for it refunding Bonds, Ansari
in an amount to not exceed
121 million, 15,000 dollars to
refund any portion of the
district's outstanding in the
Rhoads metropolitan for a fair
district refunding Bonds
series 2020 be and approves
and authorizes other actions
in respect there, too.
Councilor Gibson moved
seconded by councilor boots to
send proposal one 91 2026 to
the full Council to do pass
recommendation motion carried
by a vote of 10 to 0 Madam
President. I so move the
motion and probably moved. And
second other comments from
counselors. Santa proceed to
the board for a vote. The
proposal carries 24 to 0. The
last item on our agenda
proposal. Number one, 92 refer
referred to rules of public
Policy Committee, assistant Ml
Nelson. Thank you, MADAM.
PRESIDENT Proposal, number
one, 92 revise the chapter
rise, Chapter one, 21 of the
code to amend the county's
excise and we'll taxes and
establish a new division,
state and local road funding.
The proposal passed of the
Rules and Public Policy
Committee by votes of 73 MADAM
PRESIDENT. I so move. Thank
you. MADAM PRESIDENT, members
of the council and the public.
This has been a robust
process. The council took that
proposal for different
locations and around our city
constituents, leaders and
counselors have been able to
engage in thoughtful
discussions about how we fully
recognize the generational
50 million dollar annual
infrastructure investment
investment for our city. This
funding was made available in
2025. To House wrote the role
14 61 after years of hard work
by many in this room. And in
this building, appealing to
state leaders on the need to
provide fairness and how the
capital City receives road
funding and recognizing that
no level of government is
doing enough. Earlier this
year. Senate Rolex one 79 made
several changes to the
eligibility and timeline for
the 50 million that created
the present reality. To
receive the investment. The
city must progressively
contribute additional new
revenue toward infrastructure
next year. We need to find
50 million to receive
50 million rising to
100 million for 50 million
beginning in 2031. And after
the provision is all or
nothing, there's no there are
no partial matches. We receive
50 million or $0 and there are
no mulligans. The first year
we cannot match the funds. We
are no longer eligible in the
future. There's also very
important deadline and that's
the end of this calendar year
DECEMBER 31st. This is when we
must communicate of the state.
We have the funding and
identify where the funding is
coming from. As we discussed
at length in our 4 community
meetings, our options are
limited. There was thorough
discussion on several
potential new revenue sources.
Marijuana, a commuter tax
vehicle miles traveled model a
convention tax for roads. All
of these are not legal in the
state. The state would need to
legalize and create a taxing
structure for local
governments. The city County
Council cannot legislate this
at this time. But many of us
have advocated for each of
these our plan recognize that
growth alone cannot solve this
problem but should be part of
the equation. And while we can
set specific income and
property tax rates, the
parameters that those rates
are also set by the state and
for both revenue sources. We
either need to raise them. Or
take away revenue think other
taxing units like the library
towns like Beech Grove
Speedway in Southport. We also
discussed budget cuts which we
MAY need to turn to eventually
if we are unsuccessful with
this proposal. But let me be
perfectly clear. We are not
cutting from a 1.7 billion
dollar budget. So a one or 2%
trim won't cut it because only
around a quarter of that
revenue is eligible to be used
for infrastructure. So that
kind of closer to 10%. And we
talk about cuts. We're cutting
from eligible funding that is
already being used for public
safety to build fire stations
ensures pools are open. Grass
gets cut at parks and we pick
up the dang trash. That's not
fiscal discipline. It shifting
the cost elsewhere. This is
not to say that we do not need
to sharpen our pencils and be
more critical of spending.
Senator rollback one is
forcing us to do just that to
the tune of 50 million dollars
last year. We are already
doing the work. The idea that
there's this annual amount of
50, 7000 million dollars
annually laying around that
doesn't include cutting from
basic services and core
operations is untrue period.
And like many other
communities around our state.
And in this moment, we are
being forced to rely more on
income taxes and user fees
like the wheel tax in the
surtax to meet basic
operations for our city. So
this leads us to the pro
proposed before the council
this evening, raising an
existing user fee that must be
used exclusively for
infrastructure. Ensures the
heaviest vehicles pay as much
as legally possible and
provides predictable,
sustainable funding next year
and every year after as we
have discussed publicly for
hours. So I won't fully rehash
proposal. One 92 is part of a
five-year plus council plan to
ensure the city can leverage
the state's investment by
2031. More than 200 million
dollars annually in new and
permanent infrastructure
funding in the budget. And
it's not just a city of
Indianapolis. The benefits
owed to 15 excluded cities and
included towns. Some examples
Beech Grove receive an
additional 1.0 2, 2 million
Speedway. 1.0 9 million. In
closing. I fully recognize and
appreciate the weight of the
vote this evening. I don't
want to dismiss it and it does
not mean we have to like the
challenge in front of us and
the pain of picking from a set
of suboptimal options. But
choosing to do nothing are
choosing to kick the can down
the road again won't solve our
city's infrastructure
challenges. I fear we kick the
can one more time and MAY very
well disintegrate. For all the
progress we have on this issue
for the past decade, we have
not received reach
sustainability because people
in our positions. In the past
over decades have found
convenient arguments that
quote now is not the time
without a permit permanent
budgetary solution to satisfy
the 50 million dollar State
contribution. We cannot say we
have the funds available. We
just cannot. That MAY be a
tough reality for for for some
to fully grasp or accept, but
it doesn't make it any less
true. So when faced with
reality, what we do. Let's
ourselves to do the right
thing to face reality and
leave the city with that
colleagues extra vote this
evening. Thank you, MADAM
PRESIDENT. Thank you,
counselor Nielsen, How's your
kale and counselors as you
give me a little bit of grace,
I know everybody probably
wants an opportunity speak. I
promise to get to cast Kale.
Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT, I
just want to rub out a few
things. The council Nielsen
said because I think these are
just truly differences of how
to approach the problem. I
certainly believe that we
absolutely should increase the
funding. We've already for
that for years, I argued in
budget hearings last year, the
mayor said that would have no
problem coming up with the
50 million I actually said,
why don't come up with in
2026, which we heard last
year? I think that much.
Possibly even all of the
needed 50 million can come
from organic tax without even
actually cut here because I
agree with the council
Nielsen's that if really went
after cut and use the 2026
budget, that's one thing. But
I think that we have the
ability through organic tax
everybody. When people get
raises, we get 2 point o 2% of
every year we can use those
spots. I also have a we heard
the other comment about the
excluded cities include towns.
I have one of each in my
district and I reached out
each of them and they chose to
not request the money they do.
In fact, they are. So Ford is
the only one that does not
have the population to vote
for their own. So it is
possible, for example, for
Beech Grove, 2, they've been
talking about $25 tax that
they we can vote one way or
another. Here they have that
tool themselves. Southport
does not, but they chose to
ask for that money here. And
one of the biggest problems I
really struggle with on is
that the flat tax approach and
the dollar amount that we're
talking $600 at the low end.
If you have a low value
vehicle under the current
model, it I heard a lot of
senior citizens tell me I have
an old car. I'm paying $7.50
because I drive a 20 year-old
Toyota. But at the same time,
if you drive a brand new
Ferrari brand new Bentley,
you're actually paying 106. 25
today. So you get a little bit
of a tax break in I just
can't. I just cannot reconcile
that. And so for those
reasons, I I'm not gonna be
able to support this.
Certainly urge my colleagues
to do the same thing. Council
miscarry. Thank you, MADAM,
PRESIDENT, in my issue is is
equity. And I've said caucus.
I think the 25 districts
should get decent amount of
money return. It's a tough to
swallow to. I have one
neighbor has foregone 3
daughters man and wife. This
is 5 cars as $500 but unless
we get equity, I really cannot
support this right now. Thank
you. Thank you. Additional
comments. Councilor Brown.
Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT,
just want to read it. Wanted
to reiterate what I said
during one of our public
hearings on this, which is
that this is political
oppression. When you heard
council Nielsen accurately
describe what's going on here.
This is the state house coming
to us with the political
equivalent of a gun to our
head saying that we have to
raise money even though we're
already a donor county in
terms of how we fund the
state, we have to raise
additional money, not from the
people who live in Hamilton in
Johnson, County of the Donut
counties that use our roads
without paying us for it. We
have to raise it from our
working class residents who
can't afford it. Under
Republican rule in this state.
The rich have gotten far
richer. The rest of us have
not. And that's very, very
obvious because $80 over a
year should not be a make or
break amount of money. And yet
it we're hearing from our
constituents. We understand,
you know, the elderly people,
the people on fixed incomes
are really struggling. The
cost of living is going up.
Wages are not. Property. Taxes
are still incredibly high. The
rate to rise by the bus just
went up a dollar this year. So
while everybody else seems to
be getting tax cuts, while
everybody else seems to be
able to make political
donations that then make sure
the tax policy favors them.
The rest of us don't have that
opportunity. So look, the
council cannot do what we
should be doing here, which is
tax the rich. When Herb Simon,
Ys net worth has tripled in
the last 6 years. So that now
he's an upwards of 6 billion
dollars in net worth. It's
ridiculous that we are asking
little old ladies to pay 80
extra dollars a year to drive
the 20 year-old car that we
just heard. That is
ridiculous. And yet our state
house does not give us the
legal authority to ask the
people who can afford it to
pay what they ought to pay.
And I would urge you all to go
back and read a recent op ed
that was written by Republican
friend of mine from Shepherd
Community Center. Jay Height.
Here's pithy phrase. Was that
potholes are a tax on the
poor. As a person currently
living close to poverty. I can
attest to this. When you lose
a tire when you lose a ram
that when you have to get your
car towed to get it repaired,
you could MISS Work. You can
get laid off. This is far more
devastating to your finances
and hard to predict. Then a
dollar fee. One time of year.
We need, although I'm
reluctant we need to vote yes
on this proposal tonight. And
then even more importantly,
all of us need to get busy
electing new outsiders to the
state house who are not part
of this corrupt political
establishment who could put an
end to this by the Israel
lobby, the slum lords and the
data center developers and
instead create a government by
of and for the people. Thank
you. Accounts remain. Thank
you, MADAM PRESIDENT. Be
brief. I certainly don't have
political wherewithal to
connect Israel to potholes in
Indianapolis, but some of us
But at least when it comes to
this proposal in tax increases
and of itself, I think there's
just a phenomenal disagreement
about how we get there. For
me. I look at any tax increase
as the government saying we
know how to spend your
hard-earned money better than
you do. And to some extent we
all we all know that taxes are
necessary evil. You have to
have police have to fire have
to have emergency response. We
have to public infrastructure
like roads. I've long said
that infrastructures. Over 90%
of my constituent
correspondents. That's why
over the past couple years,
I've what efforts to amend our
budget. You know, I've never
seen council in the
infrastructure budget and the
roughly 10 years that they've
been in majority here.
Potholes are not a partisan
issue, which is why 2 years
ago I went over to the state
legislature asked for this
very opportunity for us to get
this 50 million dollar match.
That will be a historic
investment in city rivets.
Keep in mind, that's the
Republican super majority.
They don't have a gun to your
head because you can walk away
at any point in time that you
want people Julie, gun your
head do well, that is an
option but don't let anyone
tell you that the only way we
get to this 50 million dollar
match, it's through a tax
increase. I think council
Calle said it perfectly. Our
budget just grows organically
every year. We just have to
have the courage to flat line.
Some of these existing. Well,
the calmer accouterments of
city government, things that
can be nice to I disagree with
a lot of them. So it is a dei
office that we spend over a
million dollars a year on.
That's on top of the offices
of minority and women business
development. So technically we
have to get officers here and
Indianapolis that we spend
millions of dollars a year on
that. We could easily put that
money towards roads. It's a
choice that we're making. The
question is we do we have the
courage to fund the necessary
the necessary departments in
Indianapolis. For me, that's
public safety and that's
infrastructure. Those should
be fully funded and everything
that's left over that can be
divvied up among the remaining
departments. Set up the
courage to say these are our
priorities and these are not.
CHAIRMAN Else. Lee. Thank you.
MADAM PRESIDENT. Let us
acknowledge that no one in
this chamber. It's put us in
this undesirable position. 3,
Frank, this is not the
direction that we as a council
would have taken. We are here
because it is the sole option
finally offered by the General
Assembly to repair our decades
of crumbling streets. And as
elected representatives, we
have responsibility. To act
now on this. So election. With
an affirmative vote. The
council has ability to raise
more than 70 million dollars
in new revenue. And put it
towards the most critical
issues facing our neighborhood
streets. Yeah, I worry the
plan currently on the table
does not do enough fast
enough. I believe that we
move. We need to move and we
must move faster. And be
bolder. Because if we're
asking the citizens of week
that we represent to pay more,
we must ensure their hard
earned dollars are spent
fairly quickly and where they
will see the most immediate
benefit. We must leverage. The
revenue raised from tonight's
vote to create a once in a
generation neighborhood road
funding program. That can
sustain Indianapolis is road
maintenance for years to come.
This is not an easy vote.
Asking people to pay more,
never should be. But we must
fix the issues our city is
facing, especially. Those as
important as the state of our
roads and infrastructure. So
tonight we move forward, let
do it with our eyes. Open with
our responsibility is clear.
And with a firm commitment to
fixing the roads of our city.
And finally, I am committed to
working with the General
Assembly alongside my
colleagues. To improve the
options available to
Indianapolis. And a funding
model that is fair. More
equitable. And one that is
based proportionately on the
value of our vehicles as it is
today. Leader Mary. Thank you.
MADAM PRESIDENT. I can
appreciate all the hard work
that's gone into this from
firm Councilor Nielsen and
others in a vote on this
proposal. I and I don't think
there's any one of us in here
that would disagree that
potholes are the number one
issue that face Arkansas are
constituencies. If that was
the question board tonight, we
have 25 and we it's that. But
that's on the questions. I
tell you how fix that problem.
What they have continually
through all the meetings we've
sat through for this is. Knows
from almost everyone it's
attended the meeting and
that's that stuck out to me.
There's been very few. Yes,
people one. The only people
hurt. Remember hearing say
yes, doesn't even live in the
county. That's the case, then
if he's going to, you know,
have us all paid of our fair
share. Where's the option for
him to donate to This proposal
for these donut counties to
then kick their fair share
because they're using our
roads as well. One of the last
times I can, you remember
hearing of some the tax hike
such as this was indigo, they
now receive over 81 million
dollars for empty buses. We
put that vote to the community
citizens through referendum
and let them vote on it. And
they told us what they what
they wanted us to do. I don't
see what I can beast the same
situation here. We're going
take a tax hike. Let's let
this community vote on it. If
they want to do that and get
the street roads repaved that
way, let's do it. If they
don't agree with that, let's
go back to the drawing board.
Actually start cutting the
budgets or we need to. Flat
line. But this is counter
Bayne said. One of things I
also heard was that there are
a lot even my own concision.
My of my own district is that.
We have a lot of folks that
are on fixed incomes,
especially the elderly
community that can't
necessarily afford an extra
$100 a month or $200 a month.
Ari? I'm sorry year. My
apologies. I misspoke there. I
say that say I I cannot
support a proposal is going to
be such a hit. Tremendous
increase and so he's going to
take such negative effect on
so many people. So I think if
we're going to do this, we
should let community have more
of a say on this than
introducing a one-month
passing at the next and all
because we have to get to
SEPTEMBER. We've known about
this for well longer than when
this has been around. So why
wasn't this put out well
before this? So we can have
time to talk to the community
about this. We had that time,
maybe we could get to
somewhere we can support this
book doing on a month is not
right. Thank you. Thank you.
MADAM PRESIDENT. I was going
to speak tonight. Votes like
this are hard. It's a it's a
huge increase. In fact. $98.93
$1. Excuse me. 9, $3, increase
on myself. Quite frankly. I'm
one of those people who've
done it right. Use car paid
off early. As a matter of
fact, not to have those high
prices. But I couldn't put up
with the ignorance that's
being preached over here about
some of this and trying to
mislead the public. 2019 rtv,
6 Hawk said. Proposes regional
Infrastructure Fund. 2023 id
plans to push state to change
road funding formula. That's
just 2 articles. A quick
Google search. We have been
talking about this for years.
This is not new. This didn't
come out of nowhere. And when
you look at council Dems. When
I joined this council, we
receive off the heels of a
Republican administration. We
were spending 50 million
dollars a year on roads. We've
had multiple years of
250 million, 300 million-plus
without any increases. You now
have a state that is cutting.
Revenue from the city of
Indianapolis. I think 40,
50 million last year.
Understand the governor has
some plans for next year.
Money just doesn't come off
trees. You're literally the
other side of Market Street is
putting us in a in a very
extreme financial, difficult
position. There's no doubt
that there are more cuts to be
made. And there's no doubt
that those cuts are probably
going to be happening as we
move forward with the budget.
The other thing I want to say,
I want to highlight one win.
When folks sit here and talk
about how unfair this this
will taxes and it absolutely
is. It's ridiculous. Why
should I have to pay more
while people making $20300,000
are actually going last or not
even pay what I pay because
they're driving Cadillacs.
Mercedes and BMWs makes no
sense. But did any of them go
over there and testify on the
other side of Market Street
when they were putting this
proposal together. I don't
think so. People behind doors,
they came up with the the
match. They act like this was
not meant to be. There's a
reason why all the regional
place municipalities around
state of Indiana are
increasing the real tax. It is
the expectation of the General
Assembly. That is why they
change the wheel tax and made
it $100 straight feet. Not
fair, not equitable. So
anybody trying to tell you
something different is full of
it and I hope you call him out
on. They absolutely know what
the expectation over there is.
And there's anger in me
because I don't want to have
to vote for this. It is
ridiculous. But at some of my
colleagues had this year, I
had a flat tire from a
possible. $250. It's also
thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT,
thank you. Counts. Cancer
heart. Thank you. MADAM
PRESIDENT. Every couple of
things tonight. One thing I
just recently heard was quote
from Mayor Hogsett the most
recent. What we have for Mayor
Hogsett is that he does not
think we need to raise the
will tax. And if I want to
look at this chamber, I would
look at this chambers who's
had a super majority since
2020. Look at chamber who's
had a majority since 2015. I'm
not gonna use the phrase that
keeps being used. But when we
talk about what the Republican
legislature did, what they did
is they looked at the spending
of this council and they gave
an opportunity to get a match.
They gave an opportunity to
get its priorities straight.
Because clearly we have a
majority since 2015 and a
super majority since 2020 and
you still can't get the
funding right. And the state
still comes to save you and
gives you an opportunity. But
another 50 million dollars by
just matching that and getting
more year year. That's a great
opportunity. And we don't talk
about. Misleading the public.
I went to a handful of
committee meetings. I've seen
multiple press conference or
press releases that we're
telling the public that this
has to be a new tax that has
to be a new tax. This is not
have to be a new tax. I've
talked with the Legislature.
It just means come up with the
money. The mayor knows that.
That's why said he's not
raising these. So we talk
about timeline. The same
council myself included on
this one, spent more time.
Putting together a snow
policy. Then we did take in
consideration. From the
public. We did some good
public hearings give you that.
What we're going to do to
raise their taxes, something
that in 7 years I've never
done this council. It's it's a
pretty big deal. But he's been
more to you at how we're going
to remove their snow. That to
me. Are not street priorities.
Going back to what our state
legislatures giving the
opportunity to do here. So.
Let's be very clear that.
There is no time rush. We do
have the money. The mayors
telling us the controller's
office telling us who's had
studies had consultants we can
get to next year. You've got
the time to look at. He's even
tells get past one more year.
You can still look at it. We
have these opportunities to
look at the natural
appreciation of the covid
that's going to come in. And
we have the opportunity cut.
I've been here year like last
year. Spent a ridiculous
amount time looking at
Supplemental County Income Tax
and giving amendments on that.
Those were dollars, right? We
did a good job dollars this
year. Last year put 10 million
in the budget for next year.
So will have to come up
40 Million. So I think there's
a lot of opportunity. We have
one of those biggest
opportunities as we don't have
to raise the wheel tax on
people this evening,
especially when the thing I
hear the most in my email is
don't raise the tax. So.
That's the word I'm going to
be asking tonight is a no
towards raising taxes for all
those various reasons. I just
said today that PRESIDENT.
Vice PRESIDENT Barth. Thank
you, MADAM PRESIDENT, let me
start. Just by thinking cancer
Nielsen for digging in on this
and for his leadership in my
time in the council has seen
few people who have dug into
the budget. It with such
detail and precision as he
has. He doing yeoman's job to
get in on this, preparing this
working with the General
Assembly and getting out in
the community and explaining
what we're doing. So thanks.
Thanks. Cancel Nielsen you
deserve a lot of credit
forgetting here tonight. My
comments are that the poor
condition of Indianapolis
roads is not a matter of
opinion. It's a matter of
record years of chronic
underinvestment have left our
infrastructure and the state
of serious deterioration,
imposing real costs on
residents, businesses and
long-term competitiveness of
our city. The question before
this council is not whether
action is needed. It's whether
we have the will to act. The
state of Indiana has answer
that question with the
commitment of its own 50
manual and 50 million annually
in matching funds available to
Indianapolis. But only if the
city demonstrates a sustained
credible local funding match.
That requirement goes year
every year through 2031, a
short term fix will not
satisfied a short term fix
will not satisfy. Let's not
pretend that it well, only a
durable long-term funding
structure. Well. Proposal, one
92 provides exactly that. And
I want to place this proposal
and its proper historical
context in the decade since,
you know, got unified the city
and county governments in
1970, no administration and no
council has put forward a
comprehensive long-term road
funding plan. We've had
studies we've had short term
appropriations. We've had good
intentions, but we've never
had until now a sustainable
framework for addressing road
infrastructure as a
generational obligation rather
than an agile annual budget.
Problem. I recognize that
asking Indianapolis residents
to contribute more at a time
when household budgets are
already under pressure
requires justification. The
justification is this the cost
of inaction is not 0. It has
paid every day by residents
whose vehicle sustained damage
and deteriorating roads by
neighborhoods that bear the
burden of deferred maintenance
and by a city that contributes
that continues to fall further
behind the proposed fees
represent an investment one
that combined with the state
match will generate a
projected 856 million in road
improvements over 5 years.
That is a dramatic
improvement. And what we can
expect in our roads in the
coming years. That's council
has before an opportunity that
no previous council has
ceased. The state has provided
a mechanism. The funding is
available. That deadline is
real. I support proposal one
92 and I'm confident that when
Indianapolis looks back on
this moment, it will be
remembered at that point in
which we finally chose to lead
on a critical issue that
affects everyone. Thank you,
MADAM PRESIDENT, thank Bp
Council Roberts, thank you.
MADAM PRESIDENT, I come here
today with, you know, the
clearly this is a very, very
hard vote. Think this MAY be
the heart. So we are taken as
a body. My years on the
council. But honestly,
simultaneously, I had the most
clearly on this. But I think
any vote I've ever cast as a
counselor. I just start off
saying in JANUARY when we were
starting to think about this,
I had a survey of my
constituents that 500 people
took Democrats, Republicans,
independents multi knisley and
81% of people support of this.
Now, a few weeks ago, ida
follow-up survey which 300
people responded to and still
63%. People responded to. And
the feedback on that was
amazing. They will also
mention going door to door.
When I talk to people about
people that are posed to me
about this a lot of times by
the end of it, we're able to
have a really good
conversation because I think
they're able to realize a lot
of things that we all wish
that we could do. We all wish
we could change the road for
funding formula. We wish we
could tax marijuana. We should
get tax data centers. We wish
there were things the we could
do simultaneously on this that
we're just not able to do. I
do truly believe this is the
best tool in our toolbox to
work on these road funding
issues. This is by far the
biggest issue we face as a
city. And the reality is like
has been highlighted. People
are already paying every
single year for bad roads and
people. Pothole. That is an
unpredicted outcome they'll
have in their budget. I also
disagree with counselor band
his point. I am very much an
advocate. There are definitely
some agencies. Look at the
budgets. Very tough and tough
way to cut things. And they're
definitely, you know, probably
10's of million dollars we can
cut. But 1 million dollars
here. 1 million dollars. There
is very hard way to get
100 million dollars and also
give example, you know, a lot
of the agency we have impd
parks, Fire Department, the
reality of cutting agencies
like that is having parks like
in my district, some park
where able to open the summer
because we can't staff the
park manager and the people
that are there. And the
reality is, I think a lot of
times the study, there's
millions and millions of
dollars to cut. It is very,
very hard to do. And I would
love it if we could have some
kind of interactive to Shore
City budget, let people cut
themselves. Look at individual
programs. A lot harder
actually do yourself. And yes,
there's still things we
absolutely should be doing,
but really, truly to dedicate
the money. We need to have
better roads in our city. It
will take courage. It will
take a leadership and they
really do give credit councils
and forth on this said, you
truly think it be a
generational mistake. We
passed on this investment for
better roads. Thank you.
Castor grapes. Thank you.
MADAM PRESIDENT, MADAM
PRESIDENT, if you don't mind
me, I look to bring in the
voice particular constituents
that I spoke spoke with a few
months ago. And I share with
my colleagues and are in our
caucus. But it was a standard
call about a pothole client,
student constituent upset.
Initially I thought it was
routine. But as as I listened
to her share her story, looks
like not only did it damage or
tire, but it sure electronic
sensor and her alignment. So
this bill was ultimately
$1400. And what struck me was
she shared that she didn't
really know how she was going
to repair that. And she was a
mother children. So MADAM
PRESIDENT, its constituents
like her that I want to
acknowledge and that is why
I'm supporting this proposal.
This will Texas or Texas. The
only way for us to meet the
requirements established by
the state legislature and
received that state matching
funds that necessary to make
meaningful investments in our
roads. But also, MADAM
PRESIDENT, want to be clear
about my expectations. I do
know that and I want those who
don't know to understand that
every dollar that we receive
for one purpose and that's our
roads. No other projects. With
that being said, I want to
make sure MADAM PRESIDENT that
the East side received the
attention it deserves.
Residents have waited far too
long for better streets on the
east side. We fought. We
continue to 5 will continue
that. Everyone in this process
accountable for delivering the
results. We see. Indianapolis
is a world-class city in the
east side is on the rise. I
encourage all come visit.
We've got some great, great
things on the side. Our
streets, though. They're
they're lacking. We've got 4
parks in my specific district.
The streets that access each
of those parks or in the worst
conditions that you can
imagine. We need this funding.
Our residents deserve roads
that are safe, reliable and
worthy of the city that we're
building. So for that reason,
I'll be voting support. This
proposal. Thank Thank you.
Sharon Perkins. Thank MADAM
PRESIDENT. We have engage in
discussion over the pass 30,
40 days. And I think out said
enough. But I feel compelled
tonight just to make a general
statement. If it wasn't 9.41,
I would dress. This
conversation around the way to
address issue of
infrastructure is attack
equity and diversity. And its
interest and from home that k.
But it's 9.41 Leaders lead.
You elected us. To lead in
difficult situations. This is
a difficult situation. I spent
a lot of time traveling across
this country. In cities.
Similar smaller than
Indianapolis. And every time I
fly back home, I draw home.
I'm reminded off the condition
of for infrastructure. I
wonder as the council can we
imagine a better Indianapolis?
i wonder if we can imagine.
City county. Where we are
proud to live here. But we are
also proud to welcome people
here to visit. Infrastructure
needs work. And I encourage us
as I'm supporting this
proposal tonight. To consider
what it looks like. For us to
have a better Indianapolis.
I'm also going challenge the
administration. Because we
have engage in this discussion
over the last 40 days. And
publicly. The administration
is shared. Unwillingness to
raise taxes. But have not
given a clear plan as to how
we get the match. Infants. As
a council. This proposal going
forward. To the people that
elected us give elected us to
make difficult decisions. And
tonight as one of those, thank
you. MADAM PRESIDENT,
CHAIRWOMAN Brown. Thank you,
MADAM PRESIDENT, I just want
to I ripped my colleagues have
said a lot. The one thing I do
want to say as somebody whose
district is entirely excluded
city. I live in, Lawrence, my
whole district is the city of
Lawrence. I can tell you I
know exactly how much money is
going. Go back to my district
City of Orange is going to
receive 3.8 million dollars
from this. And in
Indianapolis, that doesn't
sound like a lot. That's more
than 10% of the city's current
budget. That's gonna make a
heck of a different speech.
Grove is going to get over a
million dollars. Warren says
50,000 people beach Groves got
up about 8,000. I believe so.
That's quite a difference for
excluded. I'm not sure of the
numbers, a speedway or
Southport off the top. My
head. But this just doesn't
affect Indianapolis. It
affects all these other cities
who have been so hard by sb
One. And if what's being
talked about by people who are
entering the state house this
next session about cutting
property taxes or even
eliminating them excludes are
going to disappear in
Indianapolis is going to be
crippled. We can't cut our way
out if we end up with no
money. We have to do this.
It's terrible. It's horrible.
It's what we're being fed. And
I don't know. I've talked to
Republican leaders at the
state House and they have told
me this is what this was set
up for was for you to raise
taxes. This is what we're
doing with. It's what we have
to do. None of us want to do
this. It's terrible that we
have to. But if we don't,
generation going to destroy.
Indianapolis is roads. Thank
you. MADAM Chair. CHAIRWOMAN
Jones. Thank you. MADAM
PRESIDENT. As the chair of
Public works, it's no secret
that I love infrastructure and
I on infrastructure. So thank
you for this opportunity.
Thank you to all my colleagues
who have worked really, really
this topic, not just for the
last few months, but for for
years before this and
advocating on this and for our
residents for coming out to
the committee meetings and to
the public meetings for your
voices to be heard. One point,
I do want to make that your
voices were heard and for the
colleagues that have alleys we
advocated for Ali funding in
this proposal because we have
districts that have alleys
that do not get funding are
very much funding. And so that
was something that we out
advocated heavily for to a
tool to have some resources
put into alleys for those
districts. So we have listened
to our residents and as tough
as this is, this is something
that we must must do. And also
for our ask me 7.25 workers.
This is dedicated work. This
is guaranteed work. This is a
fiscal injection into our
residential streets. This will
guarantee them work as well.
And one thing that we hear
about as counselor being
talked about, he said, I think
he's a 9% of his constituent
correspondents is
infrastructure. So as tough
this is and like you said, you
don't want to raise taxes. Our
residents are depending on us
to fix the future of the city
and to fix a future of our
infrastructure. I'm just at
thank you. My colleagues
thanking the constituents,
whether you agree with us and
not for writing in for coming
to this committee meetings
thinking department public
works. Workers also for the
future work that is in your
future. If we can get this
across the finish line. And I
think my colleagues for
sharing the stories of their
constituents as well. Thank
you. Additional comments
counts talent. Thank you.
MADAM PRESIDENT. Taking note
from you, you said you said in
several of our meetings, you
say it as elected officials.
We don't wake up and say that
we want to raise taxes. That's
not something that we ought
Thank you, No sand for all
your hard work it is because I
know that this hasn't been
easy enough saying use it in
each meeting, a u turn around
each gust to 20, hear exactly
what they had to say. You
state after each meeting to
make sure that you answered
every question that every
constituent showed up to every
meeting. So I commend you for
all the work that you put into
this. Also with that being
said, also, MADAM PRESIDENT.
As you said in each meeting,
we haven't got another plane.
And this is the only plan that
has been presented to the
council and in leadership,
leadership is hard and
councilor robbers. I have to
say this is probably one of
the hardest decisions since
week can't became account so
that I have had because I too
have a mom. That is a senior
citizen. Am I gonna have to
help her probably pay for her
registration for a license
plate. Yes, I am. But at the
same time I receive those
emails even just last week I
did a press release point
Greenway Trail, which I was
gonna be good for the Far East
Side because oftentimes people
think I have felt that the far
East side of that said has got
left out and we're doing
having economic development
happen on the But when posted
about the Greenway Trail. I
get negative feedback and said
it. This is what choose to do
with that money. We need pa,
we need our potholes. We MAY
stir up. We need strip patchy.
Also another subdivision in my
history. They've been waiting
for years to and new strip
patching and there's history
took and put that as apply or
and to get that phone call,
nothing against dpw. But to
get that phone call from our
council say Councilor Allen,
we cannot. Thanks. The street
is going to take more money is
going to take more work. And
I'm like want to tell my kids
to join the property manager,
the PRESIDENT Of this H.O.A.
Only thing you can do is be
honest. And I responded pet in
a response until 2 weeks ago
when they had another
complaint. So I say I live at
to say our stories. I'm very
important and were put in our
constituents spending more
money when they have to get
their tires fakes. And not
only that is taking out time
in a still taken out. Is
taking money from the table
also. So either way it goes
where between Ahart's bought,
you know, is is this is not
difficult. So I encourage each
one of my. Colleagues to
support this. Is this a great
decision? No, but is it hard?
Yes, but we have to take this
to do something. Additional
comments. Will now proceed to
the board for a vote. The
proposal carries 14, 2.10 now
proceed is special service
District Council. There's no
business there. Excitement
agenda is business. Senator
Frist, a 2 announcements in
adjournment agenda for this
meeting of the council having
been completed chair will not
entertain motion for
adjournment. MADAM PRESIDENT,
the chair recognizes later
marry. MADAM PRESIDENT. I
haven't asked offer the
following motion for a term.
It but Councilor j Brown
memory of from. A counselor, a
brown memory of Kevin Bennett
by counselors, Robert
Counselors, Robertson, memory
of Ridge. And Sean, to shot
today, sot hat on innings.
Apologies for that. But
councilors Lewis in memory of
Harold Coleman junior, Laura j
Van Ph d. Michael t Crawford,
Don, are doing and Tracy, why
Washington by counselors,
Lewis and Knowsley in memory
of Virgil are mad like al Ser
Nielsen memory of William
Ferdinand. When, you know,
junior and Rita Walsh by
counselors, Lewis and Neil
said in memory of and Murray
Sutton. Councilors Lewis give
scenery of Mark Russell. By
counselors, robbers Louis in a
vain Cahill deal heart our
memory of Betty modeling
McQuillan but Councilor
Barthen memory Mary Jo
Campbell by Slee in memory of
Francis. Evan Evans. Fred
Slack. Samuel Leasing. Aubrey
Summers, Scott Anthony
Ferguson and Virginia Hawkins.
MADAM PRESIDENT, I would like
to move the German of this
meeting of Indianapolis City
County Council in recognition
and of and respect for the
life and contributions of
those persons I have here
specifically name. I put I
respectfully requests. For
fellow councilors are further
requests that the a part of
the permit records of this
body. And then a letter
bearing the council see on the
stage for the PRESIDENT. He
said to the family of each
person advising of this
action. Thank you, Leader
Mary. You're no objections.
The motion is receiving
requests are so order. Your
know for the motions. We are