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good evening. The time is

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6 o'clock. It is August 27th and I'm

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calling this meeting back to order.

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Debbie, can you please call roll

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» here?

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» City administrator Jinsby or Matt Lawn,

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you are on council. Tonight, the

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workshop that we have tonight will just

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kind of be a culmination of what we have

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discussed over previous meetings and

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during previous workshops,

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excuse me, input that we've received

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from the council through our goal

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setting exercises.

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Uh Matt Lawn is here to present it at

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the end of this and meeting

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will ask you to authorize publication.

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In no way are we approving the budget.

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All that we will do this

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for September

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this year because we have been able to

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reduce our budgets

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levy and maintain rate.

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Only need a hearing.

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I guess when was that decided?

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>> Yes,

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>> we haven't even gone through the budget.

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So I I don't I'm asking the question of

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>> we haven't approved what we're

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>> we haven't gone through the budget to

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determine whether that is what we're

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doing or it's not what we're doing. We

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haven't been presented with anything to

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really go through and determine is

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everything in the budget what we want or

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are there changes that need to be made.

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So basically we're just going in blind.

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>> Tell me what I'm

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answer.

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So,

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>> well, one thing we're missing is we

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asked last meeting um what would happen

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to our tax

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>> income from sales tax if we stayed at

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revenue neutral rate versus if we stayed

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at a flat mill levy versus going to the

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suggested mill levy that was adopted.

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>> And I mean, I' I've looked into it and I

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can't find anything

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definitive on what

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» Correct.

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>> It'll impact.

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>> Yes.

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>> Correct. So, we don't know what the loss

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>> I don't I don't believe

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» it's a very difficult

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thing to measure because I don't have

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access to what the county

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>> so, so this is all forecasting of what

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we think sales tax always is. But

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>> can you give us could you give us a

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reasonable range of what kind of impact

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that would be

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>> but you're also taking into account the

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fact your sales tax

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use a

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standard based on

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what I use indexing

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and you know market related revenue

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so I don't anticipate that any

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your mill.

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So I guess my question is based on

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Sedwick County um they have shown that

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they expect their sales tax to go down

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their sales tax revenue

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>> their portion

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>> and because our portion is based on

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their portion would ours not go down in

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the same respect

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>> they're they're going to receive it less

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portion because they're

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>> correct and

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>> that will not impact not impact Yes, it

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will.

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>> It does. According to the formula,

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>> according to the formula that's used by

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the state, 50% is still based on

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population and the other 50% is based on

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this county's property tax. Um,

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>> but they're not amount of tax that they

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are. So what they received they they

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received full amount

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the amount tax that they received

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portion of what was the amount that they

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were levying

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>> it's the county sales tax not the

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property tax

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>> yes the county county 1% tax that tax is

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shared between

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>> that 1% portion is not changing

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>> it's it's not but The the county has

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also already stated that they were going

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to lose at least $600,000 by only

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capturing 4.2% and I I don't know what

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they actually ended up passing yesterday

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morning. It was pro they were trying to

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go lower of their 7 something% total

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assessed value. There is a penalty at

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the state if the county reduces

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>> they are projecting they're going to

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lose over $600,000 worth of sales tax

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next year for the county sales tax. my

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understanding, I've been to a lot of the county budget stuff. Um, and if you

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don't capture at least what the

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percentage is that the county captured,

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you too as a city will lose part of your

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portion because you've gone lower than

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they have. So to maintain your same

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level, you have to capture at least the

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same amount.

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And if you go higher, you get a bigger

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percentage.

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So that's what I asked last meeting and

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that's what I'm still asking is what

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will our loss be by we're not capturing

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4.2% or whatever they ended up choosing.

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It would have been 4.2 would have been

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the highest. Um if we're not capturing

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that we will have loss to our county

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sales tax income.

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>> I I don't I still am going to say that I

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don't think that

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budget but I will uh I will

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what we anticipate levying. I don't

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think that anything is affect

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I don't think you would I don't think

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it's going to

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that wheat

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I'm not disagreeing with you that it's

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going to have an impact. I just I still

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don't think it's significant enough that

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it's going to

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it's going to have such an impact that

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it would affect the budget.

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>> I just think it's important for council

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to understand what what the loss is.

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>> Is it is it something that is it are we talking about $50 here or we

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talking about $250,000?

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>> but we're not talking about 50 either

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possibly. We don't know what we're

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talking about specifically.

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>> This is something that hasn't been

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discussed before.

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>> Range and does it affect whether we

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adopt it or not? Does it affect us?

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>> And that's just was the question that we

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asked last time because we wanted to be

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able to be informed

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to the best of our ability.

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>> I think it would be fair.

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» I think we need to acknowledge that

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sales anything to do with sales tax is

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forecasting. Yes, I think it will not

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exact science.

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>> Like like the mil levy is or property

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tax.

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>> So if we can have a range of okay if

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everything goes south and they don't

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meet their range then it's this impact.

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say I don't know what that how that

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would affect our decision either way.

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>> I don't either. And that's why I'm

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saying as far as um having a public

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hearing notice for our budget being

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published, that's a different and and I

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know we need to do that. But because we

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don't know the impact that we're talking

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about, will that influence our the

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potential for us to want to not stay at

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the revenue neutral rate and maybe stay

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at a flat mill rate? And if that is the

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case, then we do need to move forward

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tonight with actually publishing a

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revenue neutral rate hearing. We can't

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wait until the next meeting to publish a

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revenue neutral rate hearing if we the

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information isn't what we expect. So I'm

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just saying are do we want to hedge our

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bets and just to be on the safe side and

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do the revenue neutral rate hearing as

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well.

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anticipated

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county tax

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but the difference would be just under

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producing their amount, but I mean I I

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don't know what their full

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tax revenue is every year.

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I'll have that.

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But again, I think when I show you

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tonight, the $23,000 is not going

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>> But I think that's the I think that's

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what we were looking for is okay. Worst

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case, this goes south cost 24,000 for

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me. That's not enough to offset going to

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a revenue neutral

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nonrevenue.

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I can change I can change very quickly.

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» So the 24K

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that you just were referring to is that

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the that's the reduction in the mill

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rate or the the

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>> the mill values

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lean.

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So you're saying that's how much is the

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difference between staying flat or going

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neutral. So

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>> So the number he just gave you has

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nothing to do with the county sales tax.

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>> If we're assuming that we're going to

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lose whatever

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county sales tax, we assume that we

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would produce taxing.

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also assuming that we reduce the bill

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that would be the maximum potential for

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county sales

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because you're not losing you're not

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losing population

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» correct

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» now like I said you would like to

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You would like me to just

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preload

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that I can easily

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produce a budget with both a revenue

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rate and a regular budget

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and it just be a matter

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difference

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back into budget.

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quick.

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It's just a different

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» That's up to council.

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>> Well, let's let's hear what we have to

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say tonight and then we can

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>> have more information to make our

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You stated that the reserve funds are

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healthy, but yet the last meeting we

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were told that the utility funds are

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low. So are you talking different

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reserve funds and not the utility

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reserve?

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>> We've made some adjustments. Let's

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presentation.

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>> Okay. Do we have a print out of this

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information?

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Thank you.

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>> Thank you.

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Yeah.

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>> And would you do a favor again and just

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make sure that mic's really close to you

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so we pick you up. Thank you.

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Okay. So, the first page we have up here

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is the budget certificate page. And this

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is potentially going to reflect

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everything tonight. uh includes the

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budget authority for each of your uh

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each of your operating funds. Um and

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essentially what what is that's the page

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you'll essentially sign after adoption

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and that'll essentially say that those

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are the limits to the amount of money

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that you can spend in 2027 from those

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funds.

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Um

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this page is reflects the uh you know

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what the state tells us they're going to

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or excuse me what we get allocated for a

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motor vehicle tax and how that is split

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up. So essentially in one of the input

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pages to the state forms uh you enter

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the amount that the state says they're

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going to allocate and if you had other

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funds that uh contained a portion of

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your mill levy it would split out a

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portion of that motor vehicle to those

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other funds. This is all your only mill

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fund is the general fund. It just puts

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everything there. So, but that's just

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the calculation page used for that. And

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the only reason I have all this together

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is because the county insists on every

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page in the budget uh form get submitted

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whether you guys it applies to you or

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not. So, you know, I I did leave out the

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library uh you know the library

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page and things like that because you

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guys don't have a library. But again,

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they're when I submit it to that when

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you submit it to them, all that needs to

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be included. Um, this is the schedule of

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transfers. These are all reflected in

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the actual budget pages that we'll get

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to. Uh, but they include all the

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transfers between funds,

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uh, budget for this year. Um

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the

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ones that I want you to take a look at

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that we'll get into are mostly coming

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out of the general fund because they

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general fund does have a you know pretty

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large um budget authority based on prior

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year performance current year

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performance and what we anticipate

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levying uh we will be able to increase

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some of the transfers um capital

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improvement

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is I'm increasing that to 200,000 uh

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just because I know that we uh you know

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you have a very good healthy uh balance

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in your capital improvement fund. But um

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again my and I've talked about it before

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my philosophy is that if you've got um

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you know

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funds that are you don't plan to use in

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the budget year, it's good to push them

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into some sort of reserve or capital

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fund so they can be used for projects in

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the future. Same thought there was with

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the highway fund is essentially pushing

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uh you know money for future highway

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projects or uh highway operations there.

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And then you know that again if those

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monies are not used they could always be

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transferred from the highway fund using

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their that fund's budget authority into

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uh capital equipment or or equipment

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reserve things like that.

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>> I have a question.

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>> Sure. So with the proposed capital

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improvement plan that we have been

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given, um

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what is the projection of what the

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yearly transfers need to be um to have a

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healthy amount of money for some of

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these projects that are on there? Uh

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>> so that we aren't bonding everything.

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>> The projects that are

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projects have for next year

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um which include

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facility needs assessment, the strategic

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plan,

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and

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they were supposed to come out of the

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capital improvement fund. You've got uh

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almost a million dollars in there right

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now. So, there's a million dollars in

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there right now that could be used to

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pay for that, but I know that there may

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be uh some costs for like the park

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project and things like that that

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haven't been spent yet. So, but I mean,

395
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I know the parks project so far has been

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about $400,000. I can get you a more

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accurate number for that. Um, but yeah,

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there's uh there's nothing in the

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immediate budget for

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um it would that would impact in 27 that

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would uh not be uh funded by the capital

402
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improvement fund balance. Now

403
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>> I I guess I'm asking a broader question.

404
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Thank you for that. But ask even a

405
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broader question that we're looking at

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five years. So, what is the forecast of

407
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what where we're going to need to be to

408
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keep healthy funds to be able to be

409
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looking at all of these projects that

410
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are listed on here?

411
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>> Well, it and it it's even broader than

412
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that because it's not just your capital

413
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improvement fund that's going to be

414
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paying for this. So it would yeah it

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would require um

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if I my recommendation is probably going

417
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to be when we get to the end of probably

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not this year but when we get to the end

419
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of 2027

420
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any additional fund balance that you

421
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have or excuse me any additional budget

422
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authority that you have uh that you

423
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could be even uh transferring additional

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funds into capital improvement I would

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probably recommend making like a year

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transfer of some of those funds into

427
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your capital improvement fund. Um I

428
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don't have a number for you right now on

429
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what it would take to fund uh just with

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you know with operation operating cash

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for all of these uh over the next couple

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years because again it looks like some

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of the bigger projects here are going to

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be

435
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>> um you know

436
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>> of a nature that it's probably not

437
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feasible to use operating funds to pay

438
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for them. And even stuff like this, you

439
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know, if you're looking at a like a

440
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Wampo funding type project,

441
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>> that too uh is going to differ that

442
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calculation. I would say though that

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through

444
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>> I would say that at least through 2029,

445
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not including

446
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probably

447
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Yeah. anything utility related I I mean

448
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if you're just relying on your utility

449
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funds no you don't have cash on hand for

450
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right

451
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>> that specifically

452
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>> um those are going to require and and

453
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the benefit of some of those type things

454
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you're eligible for the you know

455
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>> especially water and sear eligible for

456
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KDH uh you know lowcost loans for those

457
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but yeah we can I mean if we were going

458
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to build out a

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true capital improvement fund

460
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uh budget, we would have to make

461
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assumptions about things like, you know,

462
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grant funding and WMO funding and what

463
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portion of um

464
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any of any of the utility projects that

465
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you would want to ex build out, what

466
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portion of those would come from cash

467
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and what portion would you

468
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understandably be bonded?

469
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I just feel like that's important for

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the council to be looking at not just

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next year, but that we're looking ahead

472
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so that we have uh solid foundation in

473
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making decisions of where we're at

474
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financially, where we need to be. And

475
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like even the um

476
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>> the corridor improvements and the

477
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sidewalk, I mean, part of that, that's

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the 1% sales tax that we have.

479
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>> And it's like, where are we with that?

480
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Are we starting to pay that back? What's

481
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our balance left? When's the forecast of

482
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when that's going to be paid off? So,

483
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those are all questions I think that are

484
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important because that was the funding

485
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that was used for phase one to begin

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with. So, and I haven't seen anything I

487
00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:10,400
don't know if anyone else has seen

488
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anything that gives us an understanding

489
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of where we're at with the debt that was

490
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already occurred. Have we started

491
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paying? How much is paid off? When are

492
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we expected to pay it off with the 1%

493
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sales tax that's coming in that's

494
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supposed to pay for that?

495
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So it's a just a I would like that

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financial information so it gives us a

497
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better understanding.

498
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» Thank you.

499
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>> And then here is a statement of

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indebtedness. Um, this reflects all of

501
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your current outstanding geo bonds in

502
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the top section there. And then at the

503
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bottom section, your uh uh temp notes

504
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and the PBC bond that pays off actually

505
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this year. Looks like the final payment

506
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on that will be in November.

507
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Um, and so what you're talking about,

508
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uh, when you would be referring to, I'm

509
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assuming that's the 24 temp note is what

510
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was was it 24 temp note?

511
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>> Yeah, that number looks right. 965,000.

512
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>> Yeah, I I believe that's probably the

513
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one we're referring to. The pay for this

514
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improvements that we're going to be

515
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using sales tax to prepaid.

516
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>> That's current.

517
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>> Current note.

518
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>> Yes. So, we're not paying on that yet.

519
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And so, we don't have a forecast of when

520
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that's supposed to be paid off.

521
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:41,350
>> They just built it into our forecast.

522
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» Yeah. Well, so the temp note is

523
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the current temp note, the 2026 temp

524
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note, I believe, is that that's being

525
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used to fund projects that have already

526
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been paid for. Is that what you're

527
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saying?

528
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,960
No, I I just came on the inter

529
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intersection.

530
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,120
>> The intersection project.

531
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:04,480
>> because that's supposed to be repaid by

532
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the 1% sales tax.

533
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,640
>> So I'm asking when are we paying for it?

534
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,159
When's the forecast of it being paid

535
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off? Because that impacts another

536
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,480
project that's on the CIP because that's

537
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where the money comes from.

538
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,840
>> Look at that. We'll be

539
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>> I mean, so what what I'll what I'll do

540
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is I'll make a I'll I'll just do a

541
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specific schedule that shows uh what

542
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,240
portion of all of these temp notes are

543
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going for because I'm assuming that 25

544
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is the development, right?

545
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Turtle Turtle Creek it's called

546
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>> is those

547
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>> Yeah. So that so that so the 25 t that's

548
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going to be repaid with special

549
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:44,880
assessment

550
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,799
>> is 26 Huffman and Casey's

551
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>> okay

552
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,320
I guess another question I have just

553
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because we've heard of another city that

554
00:27:54,399 --> 00:27:56,000
got themselves into serious debt

555
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,080
trouble.

556
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They went from 23 to $50 million in

557
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,120
debt. I just want to make sure that we

558
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have plenty of debt information so that

559
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,399
this council doesn't end up in a similar

560
00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:09,760
situation making those kinds of

561
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,440
decisions and not realizing how much

562
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,760
more in debt we're getting and what the

563
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,880
city has to pay back debtwise and what

564
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,960
has come through the city for projects

565
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,279
and there's someone else paying back.

566
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:23,840
>> Well, it it's not really part of the the

567
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,440
um

568
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,000
annual budget adoption. It's more it is

569
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,720
more in it is more in line with the uh

570
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,039
capital budgeting process. So, what I'll

571
00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:35,279
do is, like I said, I'll find out which

572
00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:37,600
one of these specifically is getting

573
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,520
repaid with sales tax funds. And

574
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,880
basically what we'll do is um show you

575
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:49,440
where uh sales tax money has been uh how it's been allocated so far because

576
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:50,880
basically it's going into

577
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,240
>> it should be acrewing at this point

578
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:53,760
because all of that money was supposed

579
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,679
to be for the intersection project.

580
00:28:55,679 --> 00:28:57,360
>> Yes, that's what I mean. Where where

581
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:58,720
it's been acrewing. So, it's going into

582
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,399
the general fund. general funds

583
00:29:00,399 --> 00:29:02,720
transferring it to your capital

584
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,559
improvement fund to your street fund and

585
00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:07,600
then when we get uh when that goes into

586
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,919
permanent repayment will match make sure

587
00:29:09,919 --> 00:29:13,600
that that portion only for that project

588
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,919
is specifically going into essentially

589
00:29:15,919 --> 00:29:17,279
fund balance from those funds that'll be

590
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:18,480
making the debt payment. So, we can

591
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,480
transfer it into capital improvement.

592
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,799
You could pay for it out of uh you know

593
00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:25,039
your street fund. You can pay for it out

594
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:27,440
of uh

595
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,549
um

596
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:31,840
I would I would probably recommend

597
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,440
either the street fund or the or the

598
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,600
bonded interest fund. And you can just

599
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,520
it can be as simple as transferring it

600
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,760
or if you um

601
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,520
>> it doesn't have its own fund.

602
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:41,840
>> No.

603
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,520
>> To keep it separated because that's it

604
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,520
was specifically to pay for that

605
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,399
project. I mean it's it's accounted for

606
00:29:48,399 --> 00:29:49,039
separately.

607
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:50,880
>> Yeah, it's accounted for it own.

608
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,159
>> Yeah. So, shouldn't it have its own

609
00:29:52,159 --> 00:29:53,039
fund?

610
00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:54,880
>> It doesn't need its own fund. It it just

611
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,559
gets accounted for in its own it's its

612
00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:58,720
own line item separately. So, we

613
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,480
>> I just want to accountability for the

614
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,240
people of Kai that they know that this

615
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,320
money has been protected and that it is

616
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,799
paying back the intersection.

617
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:07,840
>> You know, it's been accounted for

618
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,600
separately and we can we can track it

619
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:15,990
back as far as we need to go with it.

620
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,000
Okay, so this first page of the general

621
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,760
fund shows all of the general fund

622
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,520
revenue and this again assumes the you

623
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:24,799
won't see it included here because the

624
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:26,080
way the state form works they actually

625
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,000
this state form is used to generate what

626
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,080
the adorum tax will be. So we'll see it

627
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,559
at the bottom of the next page here. But

628
00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:36,000
this is what our assumptions are for u

629
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,919
all of our revenue sources going forward

630
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:40,720
that everything above that sort of

631
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,120
personal property line is numbers that

632
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:49,200
are you know we get from the uh from the state or from the county

633
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:50,720
depending on who it is. And then

634
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,399
everything below that is your other

635
00:30:52,399 --> 00:30:54,399
revenue sources including uh county and

636
00:30:54,399 --> 00:30:56,559
city sales tax.

637
00:30:56,559 --> 00:30:59,440
uh state liquor tax

638
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,480
assess uh state assess utilities is also

639
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,520
again portion of the uh

640
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,480
generated by the abalorum tax but it's

641
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:13,200
uh it's not calculated the way that that

642
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,880
regular business county gives us advice

643
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,240
on how to account for that and then the

644
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,440
bigger lines down at the bottom you'll

645
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:22,960
see is the interest earnings those are

646
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,240
considerably higher since we moved over

647
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:32,960
to the uh um inrified uh fund through uh

648
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,320
Enterprise Bank and again you just got

649
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,279
fairly high uh

650
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:40,799
you know balances there so it's

651
00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:43,840
obviously generating more interest.

652
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:44,960
The next one here is

653
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:49,120
>> mean that interest earnings where it's

654
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,799
so it was 192 in 2005

655
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:55,600
>> in 2025 and we're looking at 180 this

656
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:56,399
year.

657
00:31:56,399 --> 00:31:58,080
>> I I it's just one of those things I

658
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,679
don't I don't like over

659
00:31:59,679 --> 00:32:00,080
>> Okay.

660
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,440
>> I don't like overbudgeting

661
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:02,000
>> coming year

662
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,519
>> revenue line items that I can't be

663
00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:04,799
completely reliable on. So

664
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:07,279
>> Okay. Thank you. If if I had six months

665
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:09,519
of if I had six months of collections to

666
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:11,200
look at to tell me that it's probably

667
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,360
you're probably going to end uh 26 with

668
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,279
200,000. If I saw that again this time

669
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:17,039
next year, I would increase it. But I

670
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:18,399
just for you know

671
00:32:18,399 --> 00:32:21,039
>> purposes uh being prudent, I didn't do

672
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:22,399
that.

673
00:32:22,399 --> 00:32:25,120
>> And then here is the uh expenditure

674
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:30,559
side. Uh we have expenditures here by um

675
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:31,840
just the way they're categorized on the

676
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,320
sheet in the in the detail pages you

677
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,840
have. You'll see those all broken down

678
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,159
by individual department in the general

679
00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:40,720
fund and then again by line item and by

680
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,120
category.

681
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,600
See how we get to that bottom number.

682
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,840
For the purposes of uh budgeting, we put

683
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,799
in that cash reserve line and uh so that

684
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:56,159
1.4 million65 that is essentially

685
00:32:56,159 --> 00:32:57,919
carryover fund balance from the prior

686
00:32:57,919 --> 00:32:59,200
year that we're budgeting as an

687
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,440
expenditure. So you have the budget

688
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,720
authority to spend all of it if you

689
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,320
wanted to, which of course I nobody's

690
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:05,840
going to recommend you do that. But also

691
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,080
that getting it getting your expenditure

692
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,679
amount up to that level is what

693
00:33:09,679 --> 00:33:12,159
determines your what your mill levy will

694
00:33:12,159 --> 00:33:14,320
be. So, for instance, if we were going

695
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,519
to adopt or if if if you wanted to have

696
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:21,120
a nonRNR uh if you wanted to have a

697
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,000
nonRNR uh

698
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,279
you wanted to have a hearing to exceed

699
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:27,120
the RNR, then we would what we would do

700
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,200
is we essentially would add back in the

701
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,720
amount of property tax that we think uh

702
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,919
that we that we estimate that the

703
00:33:35,919 --> 00:33:37,360
keeping a flat levy would generate. We

704
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,600
add it into that $ 1.4 million number

705
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,200
and that's how we would get it get it up

706
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,559
to

707
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:44,320
That would that's that's the specific

708
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,399
number that we will change to adjust the

709
00:33:46,399 --> 00:33:54,950
middle

710
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,760
and the very bottom bottom right corner

711
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,399
there was 1.311

712
00:34:00,399 --> 00:34:03,039
uh million that's that is the uh amount

713
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:05,360
of advalorum tax that the formulas in

714
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,600
the state forms generate so it's equal

715
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,200
to what you had last year

716
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:09,919
>> question

717
00:34:09,919 --> 00:34:10,639
>> sure

718
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:13,440
>> in the cash reserve 2027 column the

719
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,040
1.465.

720
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:15,520
>> Yeah.

721
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,079
>> Um

722
00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:21,760
what is the value

723
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,599
left from the cash reserve and moving

724
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:27,750
that over to balance

725
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,839
» like so you're you're you're making a

726
00:34:29,839 --> 00:34:30,720
transfer.

727
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:31,839
>> Nope.

728
00:34:31,839 --> 00:34:33,760
>> That like I said just a filler. That is

729
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,800
a what what we're doing with that number

730
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,119
is essentially we are budgeting as an

731
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:43,440
expenditure your carryover fund balance and any

732
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,520
difference between what you what we

733
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,240
budget to spend and what we budget to uh

734
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:51,520
receive. So, you know, the state defines

735
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,000
a balanced budget as carryover fund

736
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,440
balance plus revenue minus expenditure.

737
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,680
And whatever's left over, if as long as

738
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,359
it's zero, you're technically a balanced

739
00:35:01,359 --> 00:35:02,640
budget, even though you're spending down

740
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,480
everything you had from the year before.

741
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,560
For the purposes of establishing the

742
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,599
mill levy, we budget that carryover fund

743
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:12,800
balance as an expenditure. And that gets

744
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,200
your mill levy to what it would take to

745
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,079
complete essentially

746
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:22,560
uh generate what to essentially generate

747
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,359
that tax then spend down everything that

748
00:35:25,359 --> 00:35:26,640
we show we're spending down and get you

749
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,160
to zero. Now, of course, we're not

750
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,079
actually going to spend down to zero.

751
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:33,520
We're going to uh essentially

752
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,680
that we're not no there's no line item

753
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:36,960
in your budget that's going to actually

754
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,800
get charged to that 1.4 million. That's

755
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,119
going to stay there. And again, that's

756
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:42,560
what I'm talking about when we're

757
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,240
talking about u uh you know, at the end

758
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:48,480
of at the end of the budget year looking

759
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,720
at where else can we transfer this money

760
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:52,320
for things like capital projects that

761
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,599
you talked about. Um so at at that point

762
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:56,800
we would look, okay, what's our fund

763
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,359
balance at now? We we you know we look

764
00:35:59,359 --> 00:36:02,079
at it during the the budget year as

765
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:04,320
well. Um, and we'd say, you know, what

766
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,560
can we additionally transfer out to

767
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,359
capital to any of our other necessary

768
00:36:09,359 --> 00:36:11,920
funds where we would want to uh, you

769
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,400
know, essentially pay for projects that

770
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,280
we don't have to bond out.

771
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:18,640
So that's that's the purpose of that

772
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:19,040
line.

773
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,000
>> So it's not it's not budget authority.

774
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:22,560
>> Okay.

775
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,920
>> It so it's um it's expected to be there

776
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,839
at the end of the year.

777
00:36:27,839 --> 00:36:30,000
>> Tech technically it is legally budget

778
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,680
authority, but we're not actually going

779
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,160
to spend it. It would be you it would it

780
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,680
would if you spent that you would spend

781
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,880
your fund balance down to zero and risk

782
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,240
at that point you would you would be

783
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:42,000
risking a budget amendment or a budget

784
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,920
violation.

785
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:48,640
>> So in 2026 we're expecting to actually

786
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,119
spend 200,000

787
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:53,680
of our cash reserves.

788
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,920
>> That no again that's it's the same thing

789
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,920
there. We're we're putting it there.

790
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,800
putting putting it there to essentially

791
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,359
uh carry forward 200,000 additional more

792
00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:05,839
in carryover fund balance into the

793
00:37:05,839 --> 00:37:13,030
following year.

794
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,720
It's it's essentially it's like a uh I

795
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:18,720
again it it's only for the purposes of

796
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:20,480
the state budget form that we're doing

797
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:20,960
this on

798
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,880
>> but we are giving budget authority to

799
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,359
spend it and not hang on to it. We're

800
00:37:25,359 --> 00:37:28,000
well we're applying it in this form to

801
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,560
uh your expenditures. It's it's not

802
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,000
going to your budget authority is

803
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,160
established for 26 last year with the

804
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,320
budget. So this would just mean that

805
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,400
instead of a uh you know

806
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,359
because because you see there if you

807
00:37:41,359 --> 00:37:43,359
look at if you look in the middle column

808
00:37:43,359 --> 00:37:45,440
the bottom three lines you've got total

809
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,520
expenditures uncovered cash balance

810
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,480
December 31 and then 25 22x 27 budget

811
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,079
authority. So the middle one that's 26

812
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:54,320
budget authority. We're essentially

813
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:59,200
using that to almost bring your uh uh

814
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,960
amount of your uh expenditures almost up

815
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,200
to what the budget authority is. And

816
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,720
we're just putting it in there as an

817
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:10,000
expenditure to uh essentially not spend

818
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,520
it and then carry it forward in fund

819
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,589
balance.

820
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:17,280
I can I can take that out if you want.

821
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,920
is just going to push it into the uh

822
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,920
beginning fund balance line for 2027 and

823
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,400
push everything up by $200,000.

824
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,040
Um, but you know, this gives you, you

825
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,040
know, I mean, so the thing that you're

826
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,640
always worried about when you're getting

827
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,280
into fourth quarter is, you know, do we

828
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,320
have budget authority to cover

829
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,240
everything we need to pay for? And you

830
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:40,880
have ample budget authority in general

831
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,560
fund to do so. But the kind of the

832
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,800
purpose of that cash reserve line is if

833
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,720
you are not going to be spending all of

834
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:48,800
your budget authority,

835
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,119
you know, you can either show it as a

836
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:53,440
budget adjustment for the following year

837
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:54,800
or not budget adjustment, you can show

838
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,400
it as a carryover fund balance for the

839
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,560
following year in again this is

840
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,200
specifically for the uh budgeting

841
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:02,880
process or you can put it in as an

842
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,720
expenditure like that and then it'll

843
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:07,599
just you know your your actual year end

844
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:09,359
will look better than the budget year

845
00:39:09,359 --> 00:39:10,320
end.

846
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:20,710
that will actually change.

847
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:25,670
Are there any more questions?

848
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:31,920
And then this uh the next page is the you know how the uh funds are broken

849
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,359
down into uh departments or and actually

850
00:39:35,359 --> 00:39:36,480
in this case it's not actually

851
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,480
departments it's sort of like cost

852
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,720
centers that we group together but again

853
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:42,240
if you want the detail it's in those

854
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:44,320
other pages that Matt printed out for

855
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,069
you.

856
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:50,320
uh bond and interest fund uh set up

857
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,640
similarly. If you see here that cash

858
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:57,280
reserve uh line is 2.3 million. And

859
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,599
again, the only reason the only way this

860
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:02,079
even makes this even works out is to

861
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:05,040
because we have built in a $ 1.9 million

862
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,000
bond proceeds line item in your uh on

863
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,560
the revenue side. And so what that is

864
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,400
essentially is what would the cost be to

865
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,320
retire your temp notes if you had to do

866
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,160
it in one year. And so you I'm giving

867
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,040
you a revenue sides calculation for what

868
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,240
those would cost. And then on the

869
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:21,520
reverse side, I'm giving you the budget

870
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:22,560
of the work to do it if you had to

871
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,200
retire those dividends, the full amount

872
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,760
of them.

873
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,680
This way you're not running into timing

874
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:35,910
issues when you do go to retire those

875
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,200
uh street fund here. Um

876
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,359
big thing here you look at is they've

877
00:40:41,359 --> 00:40:44,320
got a fairly good carryover as well in

878
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,720
that uh cash reserve line about $450,000

879
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:50,400
and again you know it's one of the

880
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,320
reasons I wanted to I want to start

881
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,680
increasing the transfer into here is so

882
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,680
uh you know whether you decide to pay

883
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,480
for those

884
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,560
>> using those using those uh sales tax

885
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,000
dollars whether you decide to pay for um

886
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,839
uh you know repayment of that street

887
00:41:07,839 --> 00:41:12,400
project out of here or uh out of uh you

888
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,160
know capital improvement or excuse me

889
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,560
out bonded interest. This is probably

890
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,000
this fund probably makes the most sense

891
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,920
to make those transfers from. So when we

892
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,680
do get what the debt service on that's

893
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,359
going to be and we start paying it back,

894
00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:24,880
we'll make sure that we're matching

895
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,880
whatever is flowing into here for that

896
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,800
payment to what the debt payment will

897
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,720
be.

898
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:35,119
>> So since the so for instance the 2026 or

899
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:39,680
2024 temp note will have to be it

900
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,359
expires this year. So we'll have to

901
00:41:41,359 --> 00:41:44,160
change it into a permanent bond.

902
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:44,720
Yes.

903
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:48,960
>> So that 42,000 is going to come out of C

904
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:53,670
the this fund

905
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,079
that's basically the sales tax and the

906
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:58,800
965,000

907
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,640
is going to come out of the sales

908
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,960
proceeds from when we sell the permanent

909
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:05,599
bond.

910
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:09,680
>> Yeah. So it what that which which page

911
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:10,960
are you on? I'm sorry. Well, I'm

912
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,319
comparing what you have on page nine to

913
00:42:14,319 --> 00:42:16,400
what you have on page four.

914
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:17,839
>> What What are those p I don't have page

915
00:42:17,839 --> 00:42:20,079
numbers on my slides. I'm sorry.

916
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:22,319
>> Um the one is the state statement of

917
00:42:22,319 --> 00:42:24,720
indebtedness and then this current

918
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:27,200
slide. So on the statement of

919
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,720
indebtedness,

920
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:31,760
so the Kichi Road in Oliver, well the

921
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,920
temp like a temp note 2024, the Kichi

922
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,359
Road and Oliver is basically what that

923
00:42:35,359 --> 00:42:38,480
is. Since it expires this year, that

924
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,319
42,219,

925
00:42:40,319 --> 00:42:43,839
we will definitely be paying the 965 is

926
00:42:43,839 --> 00:42:46,480
actually coming out of will be paid by

927
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,960
the sale of that bond from a temporary

928
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,359
note to a to a full bond.

929
00:42:51,359 --> 00:42:52,400
>> So the

930
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:53,760
>> is that how you're looking at that?

931
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,960
>> No, the It'll be it'll 28 is when you'll

932
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,560
start repaying that temp note. Will you

933
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,560
be you'll start paying the permanent

934
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,720
bond that that temp note will retire.

935
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:03,119
>> Yes.

936
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:05,359
>> But that that that GO bond will retire

937
00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:06,800
that temp note and you'll be repaying

938
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,839
that uh bond in 20 beginning in 2028.

939
00:43:09,839 --> 00:43:11,040
>> And at that point,

940
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:11,359
>> huh?

941
00:43:11,359 --> 00:43:15,990
>> But we have to pay the interest.

942
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,000
» So I'm there's interest listed.

943
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,640
>> There's the So the 42,000 that's what

944
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,359
I'm talking about. So the 42,219 is

945
00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:26,000
really what will come out of our is

946
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,240
budgeted for general fund to pay for

947
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:28,880
this year.

948
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,119
>> I believe it's

949
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:33,040
>> I believe I believe it's included in the

950
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,040
temp note the it's included in the temp

951
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,560
note finance. So it'll get paid out of

952
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,640
the whichever fund the project is

953
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:39,359
located in.

954
00:43:39,359 --> 00:43:42,000
>> Okay.

955
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,800
the the again I I can't tell you what

956
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,480
that specific note was for so I can't

957
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:47,680
tell you exactly how it's going to be

958
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:52,480
repaid but it the the typically the uh

959
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,000
you know they capitalize the interest in

960
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,240
temp note so it's you borrow the amount

961
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:57,440
that you're going to have to pay in temp

962
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,280
note interest and then when you retire

963
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,440
that you know they'll do a calculation

964
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,119
based on how much of the notes that you

965
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:05,119
actually use and you know which how much

966
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:06,960
of it can be paid paid back and so then

967
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,520
they'll determine what your permanent

968
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:10,960
bond is going to be and then the

969
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,400
interest on that will be paid as part of

970
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,119
the regular debt service and that is it.

971
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:16,720
So whichever one of these is referring

972
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:18,720
to the street project. So when they when

973
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:21,599
they issue that that permanent bond um

974
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:25,200
that is the comp the both the interest

975
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,640
payment and the principal payment of

976
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,880
that is going to be paid for with that

977
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,000
sales tax money and that if that is

978
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,079
included in that 24 note then that will

979
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:36,880
begin repayment in 2028.

980
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,560
So that'll and you know that's just part

981
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,240
of the timing of that project is make

982
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:42,160
sure that we have uh that cash reserve

983
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,920
and as you can see you do have

984
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,640
sufficient cash on hand especially in

985
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:47,920
general fund and in your bond and

986
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,079
interest fund to make

987
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:52,240
uh you know those payments. It's just

988
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:53,839
that we need to make sure that what

989
00:44:53,839 --> 00:44:56,720
whatever specific uh fund you're going

990
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:58,480
to be using for those payments, we have

991
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:04,880
a we tie the uh you know sales tax revenue to

992
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,800
that specific payment.

993
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,720
But again, that that shouldn't be that

994
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:13,599
shouldn't impact until 2020 9 because

995
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:17,599
the principal repayment on the 24 temp

996
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:28,550
note is September of uh 2027.

997
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:29,280
» Thank you.

998
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:40,390
>> Yeah.

999
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,119
So the

1000
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:46,960
water revenue side here uh you can see

1001
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,440
uh where we're projecting

1002
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,440
uh this would be water and uh excuse me

1003
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,160
water and uh

1004
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,079
water revenue and expenditure in the

1005
00:45:56,079 --> 00:45:58,960
same same uh

1006
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,800
page here. You'll like I said you've got

1007
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,400
the line items there if you want to go

1008
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:03,839
over those. I have those as well. on the

1009
00:46:03,839 --> 00:46:05,599
computer if we want to look into them.

1010
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:09,670
Um,

1011
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,000
uh, cash reserve here is not quite as

1012
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,720
much. It's only about $50,000.

1013
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:19,760
Um, but we were able to get some, uh,

1014
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:24,720
budget savings here by um, essentially

1015
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:26,960
dialing in the personnel splits for

1016
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,800
public works. There was a portion of

1017
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:35,040
them that were uh, uh, to be paid from

1018
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,599
both this and the street fund and we we

1019
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:43,440
returned to that portion. The way the way they're split is pretty uh

1020
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,599
complicated but going forward they'll be

1021
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:46,880
split appropriately. So

1022
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,040
>> So what is that appropriate split? I

1023
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,720
mean what is the new split if we're ch

1024
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:52,640
because I'm sorry I kind

1025
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,319
>> pull the split schedule but what we

1026
00:46:54,319 --> 00:46:56,560
found is that nothing was being pulled

1027
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,160
from

1028
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,599
>> Yeah. But there it was only like a it

1029
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:02,079
was only like a portion of of one FTE.

1030
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:03,440
It wasn't even it wasn't even like a

1031
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:04,800
full half FTE.

1032
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,480
>> It was just a portion of one. And so

1033
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,560
essentially it was it was

1034
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,000
>> I don't know I don't I can't I don't

1035
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,119
know when it happened. I know there was

1036
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:14,240
no budget or there was no uh expenditure

1037
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:16,160
from that line in street last year, but

1038
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,160
you know we we're pushing it back into

1039
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:19,839
there now. So it'll be it'll be

1040
00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:23,440
allocated there going forward.

1041
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,359
>> Yeah. I'd like to know what the what the

1042
00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:26,079
splits were.

1043
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:29,119
>> Yeah. It's and honestly at at some point

1044
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:31,359
uh I I've you know I think part of the

1045
00:47:31,359 --> 00:47:34,160
reason Matt wants to uh look at not only

1046
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,040
you know the facilities uh need study

1047
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,839
but again something like that could kind

1048
00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:42,160
of better guide how those positions

1049
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,560
should be split um you know obviously

1050
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,880
with uh

1051
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,960
the you know look just looking at the

1052
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,720
budget of your utilities and the impact

1053
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:55,599
that you know public works has for them.

1054
00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:58,400
Uh it's probably not outside of uh it's

1055
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,240
probably a good idea at some point soon

1056
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:02,400
to go and you know make sure that

1057
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,720
>> the the way they're split currently and you know not just how they're split

1058
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:07,920
but how they're you know what their

1059
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,440
specific jobs entail are better tied to

1060
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:12,319
uh

1061
00:48:12,319 --> 00:48:14,880
>> the resources in your uh utility funds.

1062
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,079
>> Well and I understand that and I know

1063
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:19,599
that we have um over the years made

1064
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:21,920
changes in different directions. I just

1065
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:22,720
wanted to know what

1066
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:25,359
>> Yeah. what the what those changes are.

1067
00:48:25,359 --> 00:48:41,589
>> Yeah, we can get that.

1068
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:45,280
» Uh again, gas utility here um see

1069
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,599
increase revenue uh both this year and

1070
00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:52,319
anticipate next year as well.

1071
00:48:52,319 --> 00:48:55,359
uh personnel numbers here still you know

1072
00:48:55,359 --> 00:48:57,280
personnel and commodities tend to be

1073
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,079
your highest uh

1074
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:04,240
highest expenditures. Um

1075
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:07,200
we uh you did have a gas project this

1076
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,160
year that would be uh paid for out of

1077
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,200
the capital improvement fund. So um it

1078
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:14,720
doesn't hit the actual operating

1079
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:16,400
revenue. If it did it would have you

1080
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,720
know it was it was a large project so it

1081
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:19,839
would have been under budget. that's why

1082
00:49:19,839 --> 00:49:20,880
it's getting paid for a capital

1083
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,960
improvement. But again, even with even

1084
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,440
with uh you know your cost increases,

1085
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,440
we're still putting a cash reserve of

1086
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,359
443,000

1087
00:49:29,359 --> 00:49:32,079
going forward for next year. So that's

1088
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:33,680
good, which basically just means you can

1089
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,280
anticipate that much of a carryover fund

1090
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,160
balance, which is, you know,und almost

1091
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,440
130,000 more than the uh we're

1092
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:42,720
anticipating for the beginning of the

1093
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:45,040
year.

1094
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,200
Sewer, as you can see, is a much tighter

1095
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,200
budget. Uh it's been declining in

1096
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,280
uh carryover fund balance for for at

1097
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,720
least two years now. Um the the funny

1098
00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:57,839
thing here is though is you've got

1099
00:49:57,839 --> 00:49:59,359
almost a half a million dollars in sewer

1100
00:49:59,359 --> 00:50:01,040
reserves. So it's it's it's the reserve

1101
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,720
fund with with the largest balance, but

1102
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:04,559
on the operating side it's

1103
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:07,040
>> it's uh you know expenditures as you can

1104
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,559
see typically for personnel and

1105
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:13,440
commodities are driving that. So,

1106
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,359
um I think Matt has mentioned that

1107
00:50:15,359 --> 00:50:18,079
there's probably a need for a

1108
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:19,680
reassessment of sewer rates and

1109
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:24,000
hopefully you can look into that for

1110
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,000
following year. This budget anticipated

1111
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,319
a minimum a

1112
00:50:28,319 --> 00:50:42,790
4 and a.5% increase for sewer rates.

1113
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,760
Uh the last couple here are I don't like

1114
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,280
calling them pass through funds because

1115
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,119
they they're not quite that simplistic

1116
00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:51,040
but you know they're much smaller

1117
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,599
operating funds uh solid waste recycling

1118
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:56,559
and the storm water fund.

1119
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:58,559
So

1120
00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:01,119
still they, you know, uh it's not a

1121
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:03,920
great fund balance, but percentage wise

1122
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,200
it's not bad for fund of this size. And

1123
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,000
we still even have a uh

1124
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,760
pardon me, we still have a cash reserve

1125
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,559
here 22,000 going into 27 going at the

1126
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:18,960
end of 27. So that's positive.

1127
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,240
Storm water similarly a very healthy

1128
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:24,079
cash reserve actually you know almost

1129
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:27,920
100% of its anticipated expenditure. So,

1130
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,480
or excuse me, not 100% of its carryover,

1131
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,040
almost 100% of it carryover

1132
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,359
from the prior year. So, it's still

1133
00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:37,359
operating in a good position. And I did

1134
00:51:37,359 --> 00:51:39,599
actually build in the $20,000 and

1135
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:42,720
$25,000 as project potential project

1136
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:45,119
costs for 26 27. Again, you're probably

1137
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:46,240
not going to spend them and so they'll

1138
00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:55,990
just carry forward as fund balance.

1139
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,480
uh the land bank that truly is just a

1140
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,079
you know we budgeted we budget an

1141
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:02,400
expenditure for the full amount of the

1142
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,319
carryover fund balance and that's all we

1143
00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:05,520
do with that.

1144
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,030
>> Okay.

1145
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,960
» Is um on the storm water

1146
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,160
>> is that more than just

1147
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,119
the one employee is that it's do the

1148
00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:21,359
public works feed into that one as well?

1149
00:52:21,359 --> 00:52:23,839
We're taking a little bit of public.

1150
00:52:23,839 --> 00:52:25,359
>> Okay.

1151
00:52:25,359 --> 00:52:26,480
>> Because they do.

1152
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,839
>> Well, that's I just was asking. I mean,

1153
00:52:29,839 --> 00:52:36,309
>> okay. Thank you.

1154
00:52:36,319 --> 00:52:39,359
» And then the opioid settlement fund. Uh

1155
00:52:39,359 --> 00:52:41,839
Scott still has some uh money left in

1156
00:52:41,839 --> 00:52:44,640
it. So, I just budget the full the full

1157
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,079
amount to come out in uh 2027. It

1158
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:49,839
doesn't get spent. It can stay there. It

1159
00:52:49,839 --> 00:52:57,030
just carried forward.

1160
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,359
And then special parks and recck fund

1161
00:52:59,359 --> 00:53:01,839
receives uh I think it's half the state

1162
00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:04,000
liquor uh

1163
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,319
>> distribution

1164
00:53:06,319 --> 00:53:09,440
and then you know budgeted I just budget

1165
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,079
again budgeted to carry on fund balance

1166
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:14,480
as an expenditure as a reserve or I

1167
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:15,680
actually put in a commodities line in

1168
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,040
case there's you know parks small small

1169
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,720
scale park improvement you'd like that

1170
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:24,720
doesn't require an entire uh big capital

1171
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:28,319
project. See those big capital projects,

1172
00:53:28,319 --> 00:53:29,680
you like to have them in their own

1173
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,440
either project fund or run through the

1174
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:32,640
capital improvement fund just because

1175
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,880
there's so many costs involved with it,

1176
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,680
engineering, you know, potential fees

1177
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,520
for

1178
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,280
uh you know design and things like that.

1179
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,680
So, but smaller projects like you know

1180
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:49,440
if you're going to do a you know buy a amenity that staff can install

1181
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,760
things like that on a smaller scale it's

1182
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,760
good to use them here and use that use

1183
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,640
that money. Um, at some point I would

1184
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,200
even consider doing a regular transfer

1185
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,240
of uh surplus general fund revenue in

1186
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:04,559
here just to build that up to where you

1187
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:06,000
know you can do smaller projects every

1188
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,760
year but bank half of what your transfer

1189
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,280
would be just so after two or three

1190
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,000
years you have enough to do a not a big

1191
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,559
project but another you know significant

1192
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:17,359
addition amenity adding to your park

1193
00:54:17,359 --> 00:54:20,480
system and it didn't have to be just you

1194
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:21,920
know the you know like equipments like

1195
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,920
that. You could also do a uh

1196
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:31,920
something like a you know re redo relaying sod on

1197
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,079
a not sod but you know relaying mulch on

1198
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:35,680
a trail or something like that that is

1199
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,559
more than just an every year thing you

1200
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:40,400
do but not quite the scale of a large

1201
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,040
capital project.

1202
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:48,000
So on the capital improvement budget that

1203
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,280
we saw last time, we had the

1204
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,839
approximately two mills going to the

1205
00:54:51,839 --> 00:54:55,119
park improvement program. Is that in

1206
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:56,720
just the regular park?

1207
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:57,760
>> It it's going into

1208
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:58,480
>> Where does that go?

1209
00:54:58,480 --> 00:54:59,520
>> It's going into the capital improvement

1210
00:54:59,520 --> 00:54:59,920
fund.

1211
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:01,359
>> It's going to capital improvement fund.

1212
00:55:01,359 --> 00:55:07,510
Thank you.

1213
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,920
And then for the budget submission, they

1214
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,839
require you to submit a uh 2025 actual

1215
00:55:13,839 --> 00:55:15,280
expenditure revenue for your

1216
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,000
non-budgeted funds. So beginning with

1217
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,839
capital improvement,

1218
00:55:19,839 --> 00:55:21,680
uh you see there that total receipts at

1219
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,640
177300. That was essentially two mills

1220
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,599
plus a, you know, $100,000 catchup from

1221
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:30,800
the prior year for the park project.

1222
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:35,040
But that was the basis for that. Um the

1223
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,599
equipment reserve you see transfers from

1224
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:41,839
uh the various funds go in there.

1225
00:55:41,839 --> 00:55:45,280
Then uh you know not much not much

1226
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,920
expenditure out of equipment reserve

1227
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,960
last year. Uh and that that's something

1228
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,359
else we can go into is uh I'll start

1229
00:55:53,359 --> 00:55:54,640
making I'll start making that part of

1230
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,200
the regular monthly report is just

1231
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,440
essentially what the cash balances for

1232
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,160
these funds look like. So, you know, you

1233
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,359
have a more up-to-date regular eye on

1234
00:56:05,359 --> 00:56:07,040
how they're performing that can be used

1235
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,720
for capital stuff. Uh, water reserve,

1236
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:14,480
fairly low fund balance there. Uh, gas

1237
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,640
reserve, not bad, but again, like I said

1238
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,799
earlier, sewer reserve,

1239
00:56:18,799 --> 00:56:20,240
the worst performing utility fund, but

1240
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:22,160
it does have the largest reserve there.

1241
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,720
But that makes sense because sewer sewer

1242
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:28,880
replacement stuff is expensive. So, it's not a bad thing to have that that

1243
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:39,910
type of fund balance. Council,

1244
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,839
any further discussion or questions from

1245
00:56:41,839 --> 00:56:55,829
Melan?

1246
00:56:55,839 --> 00:57:00,549
» Yep.

1247
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:04,400
the way I'm thinking, but if you guys

1248
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:09,119
want to keep it open, we can.

1249
00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:11,440
>> So, discussion on what you want to do

1250
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,200
about revenue neutral rate hearing.

1251
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,520
>> Well, can we discuss that in the regular

1252
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,359
meeting since that's where since that's

1253
00:57:17,359 --> 00:57:18,720
where that'll have to happen and we only

1254
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,640
have a couple minutes left. I do have a

1255
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,880
question on the a couple questions on

1256
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,280
the capital improvement um plan

1257
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,920
schedule. So last meeting the police

1258
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,680
vehicle was slated for 2028 and I notice

1259
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,240
on this one it's 2027. I thought we had

1260
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,799
put we had said we were going to put it

1261
00:57:38,799 --> 00:57:39,440
off.

1262
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,000
>> Yeah. So we just we just made that

1263
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,599
update this week. Chief, when we met, we

1264
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:49,040
all met this week.

1265
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,119
Chief was concerned

1266
00:57:51,119 --> 00:58:11,910
downscuring

1267
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,319
the budget retreat. was not a priority

1268
00:58:14,319 --> 00:58:17,200
from the council. So, I don't know how

1269
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,960
council wants to resolve that.

1270
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,880
Well,

1271
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,640
I mean, because we also had it where we

1272
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,440
didn't have the we didn't have the

1273
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,599
previous vehicle that was replaced after

1274
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:31,280
the accident. Correct. That was not in

1275
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,520
the capital improvement budget,

1276
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:39,030
>> but we still did it.

1277
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:45,589
>> We had a portion we had to pay.

1278
00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:48,720
But it was

1279
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:53,599
>> No. Okay. I I I'll So right now we don't

1280
00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:55,440
have a plan to replace it, but we're

1281
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,520
going to budget it. Is Is that going to

1282
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,440
be an ongoing that we just keep a car in

1283
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:00,559
the budget?

1284
00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:18,549
>> Well, a lot of that depends on our

1285
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:41,829
Chief wants to make sure

1286
00:59:41,839 --> 00:59:43,920
I have more discussion on CIP, but I'm

1287
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:45,040
going to bring it up during council

1288
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:46,240
meeting.

1289
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,960
>> Okay.

1290
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:50,880
>> So, as far as Matt Lawn, do we have

1291
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:51,839
anything else for Matt?

1292
00:59:51,839 --> 00:59:52,319
>> No.

1293
00:59:52,319 --> 00:59:53,760
>> Okay. Thank you so much, Matt.

1294
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,680
>> Thank you, Matt. So, if you guys do

1295
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,400
decide to do the RNR or have the RNR

1296
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,240
hearing and, you know, exceed the RNR

1297
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,319
rate, that it is a, like I said, it is a

1298
01:00:02,319 --> 01:00:05,040
simple calculation. I can have it uh,

1299
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:06,880
you know, I can have it to Matt as soon

1300
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,839
as he notifies me of what it'll be and

1301
01:00:09,839 --> 01:00:13,040
you'll be able to do whatever you want.

1302
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:14,799
>> Thank you, Matt. I appreciate that.

1303
01:00:14,799 --> 01:00:15,599
>> Thank you.

1304
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:18,160
>> Um, I would entertain a motion to

1305
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,040
adjurnn.

1306
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:22,480
If there's no further discussion,

1307
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,000
>> I move that we adjourn.

1308
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:24,880
>> Second.

1309
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:26,720
>> Motion by council member Morland, second

1310
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,040
by council member Hedstrom. All in

1311
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:30,559
favor? I

1312
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:33,200
>> I uh second question. Are you guys ready

1313
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:34,400
to turn around and start again or do you

1314
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:35,520
want a fivem minute break?

1315
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:36,400
>> Five minute break. Yeah.

1316
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,119
>> Okay. We will return at 700. Oh, let me

1317
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:41,200
see what time it is on my actual phone.

1318
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:45,359
We We'll return at 7:05 and get started.

1319
01:00:45,359 --> 01:00:47,119
And I just want to let everybody know

1320
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:49,839
that if you are signing up to talk,

1321
01:00:49,839 --> 01:00:51,200
please make sure you fill out your form

1322
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,440
and bring it up to Debbie so that she

1323
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,760
can have those all ready to go. Thank

1324
01:00:55,760 --> 01:02:17,670
you.

1325
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:27,670
That's right.

1326
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:50,390
I figured

1327
01:02:50,400 --> 01:10:48,470
something

1328
01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:50,000
Okay.

1329
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,400
Good evening and welcome to the Kichai

1330
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:55,040
city council meeting. It is Thursday,

1331
01:10:55,040 --> 01:11:00,719
August 27, 2026 and the time is now 710.

1332
01:11:00,719 --> 01:11:04,000
Debbie, if you'll please call roll.

1333
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:05,120
>> Here.

1334
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,280
here

1335
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:08,960
>> this evening. I would like to welcome

1336
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:10,480
Pastor Doug Woodan to lead the

1337
01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:12,080
invocation which will be followed by the

1338
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:21,590
pledge. If you would all please rise.

1339
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,679
» Father, thank you so much for the

1340
01:11:23,679 --> 01:11:25,440
opportunity we have to live in a free

1341
01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:28,080
society where we can vote and share our

1342
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,360
concerns and and our goals and dreams

1343
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:34,960
and visions. I pray for the the council

1344
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:36,480
tonight and the staff that you would

1345
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:39,360
give them wisdom of Solomon, but also

1346
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:42,800
the uh the peace of Christ and also what

1347
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:44,960
Paul said that we uh think not of our

1348
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,760
own interest but interest of others. And

1349
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:49,920
thank you for this community and may we

1350
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,239
all come together and to make us

1351
01:11:52,239 --> 01:11:54,400
stronger and better. And we give you all

1352
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,159
the praise and glory in Jesus name we

1353
01:11:56,159 --> 01:11:57,280
pray. And everyone says

1354
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,630
>> amen.

1355
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,840
I pledge algiance to the flag of the

1356
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,800
United States of America and to the

1357
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:10,480
republic for which it stands. One nation

1358
01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:14,080
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

1359
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:19,110
justice for all.

1360
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:22,159
» Was it hard to sit down?

1361
01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:24,800
>> Okay, we'll move on to approval agenda.

1362
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:28,159
Uh, council, I would I requested this

1363
01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:30,560
morning. It didn't quite happen. Um, in

1364
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,239
under new business, I would like water

1365
01:12:32,239 --> 01:12:34,960
discussion moved to A, please. And PEC

1366
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:40,229
would then become B.

1367
01:12:40,239 --> 01:12:42,000
And the reason I'm doing that is I'm

1368
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,960
changing public comment tonight. Um, in

1369
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:48,719
public comment, it will be nonwater bill

1370
01:12:48,719 --> 01:12:51,920
in our regular public comment. And the

1371
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:53,840
other public comment will become part of

1372
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,080
the water discussion. I want it all to

1373
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,320
happen all at the same time. That's for

1374
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:00,400
the change.

1375
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:02,719
And then I'm going to add CIP to the

1376
01:13:02,719 --> 01:13:06,080
discussion time.

1377
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:07,520
Does council have anything else they

1378
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:09,040
would like to add or change?

1379
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:10,560
>> Do we have an executive session?

1380
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,239
>> I don't. Does anyone else have executive

1381
01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:17,199
session? Okay. So, we will scratch 11.

1382
01:13:17,199 --> 01:13:19,679
I move that we approve the agenda with

1383
01:13:19,679 --> 01:13:22,239
changing item A on new business to item

1384
01:13:22,239 --> 01:13:26,000
B, changing item B to A, and including

1385
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,159
public comment as a part of the water

1386
01:13:28,159 --> 01:13:31,679
discussion, adding CIP

1387
01:13:31,679 --> 01:13:34,159
under council reports, discussion and

1388
01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:38,960
requests and striking item 11.

1389
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,199
>> Second motion by council member Morland,

1390
01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:42,960
second by council member Baldridge. All

1391
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:44,480
in favor? I

1392
01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:46,480
>> I

1393
01:13:46,480 --> 01:13:49,760
motion passes 300.

1394
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,480
Moving on to community. Oh, I'm sorry.

1395
01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:55,280
Approval of consent agenda. Is there

1396
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:57,600
anything you want that pulled out or are

1397
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,040
you ready to just approve the consent

1398
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:00,880
agenda?

1399
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:02,480
>> Okay. I would just to entertain a

1400
01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:03,840
motion.

1401
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,080
>> I move we approve the consent agenda as

1402
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:07,199
presented.

1403
01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:08,719
>> Second.

1404
01:14:08,719 --> 01:14:10,480
>> Motion by council member Headstrom.

1405
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:12,480
Second by council member Balder. All in

1406
01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:13,760
favor? I

1407
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,239
>> motion passes 300.

1408
01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:18,320
Moving on to communication. Are there

1409
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,560
any Kichi civic groups or committees

1410
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,280
that are here tonight to speak?

1411
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:25,520
>> I see none.

1412
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,480
Move on to community announcements. Uh

1413
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:29,920
the only thing I'm going to announce

1414
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:31,840
tonight that I have is that this is the

1415
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:34,480
last weekend for the always Paty Klein

1416
01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:37,120
over at the Kai Playhouse. Does anyone

1417
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:40,080
else have any announcements for this

1418
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,719
evening? I think we're we still have our

1419
01:14:42,719 --> 01:14:44,080
farmers market going on.

1420
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:44,640
>> We do.

1421
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:49,280
>> And on Thursdays from 4:00 to 6:30 and

1422
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:51,360
um every Tuesday at the Methodist

1423
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,320
church, the community dinner.

1424
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:55,840
>> Those are the places to be during the

1425
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:58,239
week. Uh city minister Jensen, anything

1426
01:14:58,239 --> 01:15:02,239
from the city? Okay, we will move on.

1427
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:04,000
Does anyone have any previous public

1428
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:05,360
comments that they would like to address

1429
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:07,600
at this time?

1430
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:11,360
Okay, Debbie, do we have any nonwater

1431
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:17,189
public comments tonight?

1432
01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:20,080
» Miss Burkalter, welcome. Please state

1433
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:21,600
your name and address and you'll have

1434
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,560
five minutes.

1435
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:28,400
BK Burkalter 427 Sou Court Kchi Kansas

1436
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,590
67067

1437
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:34,719
and I am first of all I want to say to

1438
01:15:34,719 --> 01:15:37,280
the audience here I'm glad to see Kchai

1439
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,800
because empty seats make decisions. I'm

1440
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:43,440
really glad to see everyone here. As I

1441
01:15:43,440 --> 01:15:46,800
stated, empty seats will make decisions.

1442
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:48,880
And so, my first opportunity that I

1443
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:52,080
would like to talk about is the um

1444
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:54,640
problem that I saw with our convenience

1445
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,880
store being broken into. I really had a

1446
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:58,640
concern about that. I think that's the

1447
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:02,640
second time if I'm not mistaken, and I

1448
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:04,560
almost thought three times over the 40

1449
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,320
years that I've been here, but I do know

1450
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,719
it has been too. And I do want to make

1451
01:16:08,719 --> 01:16:11,040
sure that uh there is a concern about

1452
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,520
that especially with our police

1453
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:16,640
department in full to whatever standards

1454
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:18,960
they're in. Please please make sure it's

1455
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,920
the only convenient and gas store that

1456
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,320
we have. And so my heart was broken to

1457
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:26,960
know that it was broken into. I also

1458
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,280
have a concern about not having an open

1459
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,760
forum, an opportunity for our community

1460
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:35,280
to speak uh in reference to the park or

1461
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:38,239
any other kind of activities in front of

1462
01:16:38,239 --> 01:16:40,400
the council. I know we might have an

1463
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:42,640
opportunity to speak with our mayor at

1464
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,440
some given time uh when permitted. But

1465
01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:46,880
we would also like to have the

1466
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,920
opportunity or some type of free flowing

1467
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:53,600
uh uh form that we can speak to directly

1468
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,920
to you that we can get answers from you.

1469
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,080
I don't know if that's ever permittable

1470
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,159
uh besides this five minutes that you

1471
01:17:00,159 --> 01:17:02,159
may or may not address. I don't know for

1472
01:17:02,159 --> 01:17:04,080
sure, but I really would like to see

1473
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,719
something like that. And then lastly, I

1474
01:17:06,719 --> 01:17:08,960
also was at the meeting that we had last

1475
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,840
month and this meeting this uh remark is

1476
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:15,600
in remarks to the fact that if we get

1477
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,600
our bills, a lot of people are not

1478
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,679
reading them. And I want to say that my

1479
01:17:19,679 --> 01:17:21,440
husband was not quite happy about that

1480
01:17:21,440 --> 01:17:23,920
because he does read his bills. We are

1481
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,800
not stopping out here to read the uh

1482
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:28,560
sign that we have outside. It's really

1483
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:30,640
nice. I love the fact that we've got

1484
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:33,920
news that as we pass by quickly, but I

1485
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:35,760
would also like the fact that if we have

1486
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,239
any information that it can be generated

1487
01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:40,560
through our bills. Uh we are families

1488
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,199
that read our bills. We have 2400 people

1489
01:17:43,199 --> 01:17:45,199
here in Keith Chai. And I'm sure that

1490
01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:47,600
there are other residents here that

1491
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,880
would love to have a stamp spent on them

1492
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,840
and a one-page copy or some sort placed

1493
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,840
in the mail so that they can find out

1494
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,719
what's going on in the city of Kchi.

1495
01:17:58,719 --> 01:18:00,640
Those are my main priorities that I

1496
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,080
wanted to share with you and thank you

1497
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:03,520
for the opportunity.

1498
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:05,199
>> Thank you, Miss B. Council, do you have

1499
01:18:05,199 --> 01:18:06,880
any interaction that you would like to

1500
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:09,920
have with Miss B?

1501
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:12,080
>> Any response? Just actually, Miss B,

1502
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:14,159
were you talking about the park being

1503
01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:15,920
able to present things from the park

1504
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:29,030
board to the council?

1505
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:42,310
» Okay.

1506
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:45,280
I I think we under communications we

1507
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,679
have each city groups and committees and

1508
01:18:47,679 --> 01:18:50,159
that's kind of where I would expect that

1509
01:18:50,159 --> 01:18:56,070
to have those kind of updates.

1510
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,719
» I I I agree. I think what you're

1511
01:18:58,719 --> 01:19:01,440
actually saying is so I normally host

1512
01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:03,840
let's talk about a kichi from 6:00 to

1513
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,000
6:45 prior to a council meeting. Is that

1514
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:07,199
what you're talking about? Or you can

1515
01:19:07,199 --> 01:19:10,080
just come in and talk. So

1516
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,239
>> So two council members can attend as

1517
01:19:12,239 --> 01:19:14,239
well. So the mayor and up to two council

1518
01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:17,280
members can attend. I if we don't have a

1519
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:18,719
budget workshop or some kind of a

1520
01:19:18,719 --> 01:19:20,960
specialty workshop, which isn't usually

1521
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:23,679
the case, I'm normally here at 6:00

1522
01:19:23,679 --> 01:19:26,800
prior to a council meeting and it's for

1523
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:29,520
45 minutes. Anyone can come in. The

1524
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,760
council is invited to come. Two members

1525
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:34,080
can attend as well. So, it is an

1526
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:36,320
opportunity. Before budget season, I did

1527
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,320
have a regular group of people that were

1528
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,159
coming in to have conversation. I think

1529
01:19:40,159 --> 01:19:42,000
that's what you're talking about. And

1530
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,880
then quarterly I offer um community

1531
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,199
conversation which is on a Saturday

1532
01:19:47,199 --> 01:19:49,280
morning from 8 to 10 in the community

1533
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:53,360
room. Um the next one is October 24th

1534
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,880
from 8 to 10:00 a.m. Um again the mayor

1535
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,440
and up to two council members um are

1536
01:19:59,440 --> 01:20:01,840
able to attend and that is a time for

1537
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,239
the community to come in and talk about

1538
01:20:04,239 --> 01:20:06,640
anything um outside of the council

1539
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:08,880
meetings. So, I'm trying to make more

1540
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:11,120
opportunities where we can just have

1541
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:14,000
conversation um not necessarily inside a

1542
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:15,679
council meeting. Is that what you were

1543
01:20:15,679 --> 01:20:18,880
trying to get to? Okay.

1544
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,040
You're welcome. Um and I think it does

1545
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:22,800
bring back what I tried to say at the

1546
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:26,080
last meeting. Um I realize that there's

1547
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:27,280
a lot of people that don't read their

1548
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:28,880
utility bills and so it feels like the

1549
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:30,880
announcements being included it's like

1550
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,600
what's the point? But I have heard from

1551
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:35,360
people that are like, why don't we get

1552
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:36,800
announcements in our utility bill

1553
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:38,480
anymore? So, I think there are people

1554
01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:40,320
that are reading them and that will be

1555
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,719
something for the council um to discuss

1556
01:20:42,719 --> 01:20:44,880
whether tonight or a later time to

1557
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,520
determine whether um we would like those

1558
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:49,600
announcements readded back into the

1559
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:52,000
utility bill.

1560
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:53,760
So, let's see, what was the other thing?

1561
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:58,080
Oh, the convenience store. Um I I didn't

1562
01:20:58,080 --> 01:20:59,600
really hear any more updates from that.

1563
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:01,280
Do we have any other updates that came

1564
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,679
out of that? So, there's been no issues

1565
01:21:03,679 --> 01:21:06,400
since and Key Police Department, thank

1566
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:09,199
you for all that you do and

1567
01:21:09,199 --> 01:21:12,640
um yeah, and I will just keep you

1568
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,120
updated if we hear anything going on. I

1569
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:16,159
haven't heard of anything happening

1570
01:21:16,159 --> 01:21:20,400
since then. So, you're welcome.

1571
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:23,040
Is there any other public comments for

1572
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,679
general public comment? Okay, I'm going

1573
01:21:25,679 --> 01:21:27,679
to go ahead and pl close the public

1574
01:21:27,679 --> 01:21:29,679
comment section.

1575
01:21:29,679 --> 01:21:32,719
And we will move on to unfinished

1576
01:21:32,719 --> 01:21:34,880
business which is a park update. City

1577
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:36,480
administrator Jensby

1578
01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:37,760
>> mayor and council I don't have any

1579
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,480
updates since the last meeting I would

1580
01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:56,149
add is got a call from leaders.

1581
01:21:56,159 --> 01:21:59,040
» I I do have a question on the park. Um,

1582
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:00,560
have core samples been taken for the

1583
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:01,600
soil?

1584
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:04,480
>> They have not. We're waiting on

1585
01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:10,149
contract time.

1586
01:22:10,159 --> 01:22:11,840
» Okay.

1587
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:13,679
>> Is there a reason why there's been such

1588
01:22:13,679 --> 01:22:16,159
a long delay from May until now? We

1589
01:22:16,159 --> 01:22:17,920
still don't have any core sampling done.

1590
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:22,149
>> No, they had to develop

1591
01:22:22,159 --> 01:22:33,350
review.

1592
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:35,120
Council, any other questions on the park

1593
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:36,719
or the playground? It's really after a

1594
01:22:36,719 --> 01:22:37,600
playground update.

1595
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:42,629
>> What was the cost of that contract?

1596
01:22:42,639 --> 01:22:45,750
» I think

1597
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:51,510
you

1598
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:53,679
anything else council?

1599
01:22:53,679 --> 01:22:56,000
Oh, okay. We will move on to new

1600
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,719
business. First up is the water bill

1601
01:22:58,719 --> 01:23:01,600
discussion. City administrator Jensby.

1602
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:03,040
>> Mayor, if you give me just a minute, let

1603
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:53,910
me pull up.

1604
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:56,719
All right. So, I will start I'm going to

1605
01:23:56,719 --> 01:23:58,480
start with

1606
01:23:58,480 --> 01:24:02,080
>> Could you do me a favor, please? Your voice isn't

1607
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:04,719
>> a review of

1608
01:24:04,719 --> 01:24:07,600
where we are where we were where we are

1609
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:11,120
now. Uh last year the water rate

1610
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,440
analysis was presented to the Kichai

1611
01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:17,040
city council to increase our water

1612
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:18,639
rates.

1613
01:24:18,639 --> 01:24:21,120
The reason for this is our rates had not

1614
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:24,080
been adjusted since 2016. There was a

1615
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:26,560
rate analysis done and presented to the

1616
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:29,120
council in 2021

1617
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:31,440
uh for both the water and the sewer.

1618
01:24:31,440 --> 01:24:33,600
Only the sewer rates were adjusted at

1619
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:35,679
that time. No water rates were adjusted.

1620
01:24:35,679 --> 01:24:38,480
So the water utility was becoming

1621
01:24:38,480 --> 01:24:40,480
insolvent, which means we were going to

1622
01:24:40,480 --> 01:24:42,880
be upside down in it. When a utility

1623
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:44,719
fund like that becomes insolvent, we

1624
01:24:44,719 --> 01:24:46,960
have to use property taxes to support

1625
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:50,560
that fund. We don't want to do that. So

1626
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:54,239
a rate study was done. It was presented

1627
01:24:54,239 --> 01:24:56,719
to the city council and the city council

1628
01:24:56,719 --> 01:25:01,360
made adjustments to the water rates.

1629
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:04,400
Our old rate old rates for a standard

1630
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:08,800
residential meter was $22. For a 2-in

1631
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:12,320
commercial meter, it was8730.

1632
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:16,560
And per gallon use was 1,000 to 10,000

1633
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:20,719
gallons, 733 per unit, 10,000 to 15,

1634
01:25:20,719 --> 01:25:26,790
783, 15,000 and up, 1068.

1635
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:29,280
The rates were changed

1636
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:32,719
to increase the base rate for a meter,

1637
01:25:32,719 --> 01:25:37,280
$6.60, which made it $28.60.

1638
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:40,000
And we created four different tiers. We

1639
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,000
had a tiered system before, but we added

1640
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,880
an additional tier. If you'll remember

1641
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:46,960
through those discussions, through our

1642
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:49,440
analysis, we found that a majority of

1643
01:25:49,440 --> 01:25:52,639
people use on average between three and

1644
01:25:52,639 --> 01:25:55,360
4,000 gallons per month. that is the

1645
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:58,320
average use uh for a home in Kichchi. So

1646
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:02,159
these rates were predicated off of that.

1647
01:26:02,159 --> 01:26:05,679
So the base or the usage rate went from

1648
01:26:05,679 --> 01:26:08,239
0 to 5,000 gallons within that average

1649
01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:12,880
use range to 875 per unit.

1650
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:19,360
5,000 to 10,000 1095 10,000 to 25,000645

1651
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:23,679
and 25,000 and up would be 2467 per

1652
01:26:23,679 --> 01:26:26,000
unit. One of the other factors that

1653
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:29,280
played into this is our need to conserve

1654
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:32,639
water and part of the reason for this

1655
01:26:32,639 --> 01:26:35,199
tiered system was to encourage residents

1656
01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:38,800
or our customers to conserve water. So

1657
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,600
the more you chose to use, the more you

1658
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:43,920
would pay. Uh this kind of the way it

1659
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:47,520
was set up. So these rates were changed.

1660
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:49,520
They were adopted and they are currently

1661
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:50,960
being used.

1662
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,199
>> Our commercial water rates were also

1663
01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:56,159
changed. We found through our rate study

1664
01:26:56,159 --> 01:26:58,400
that we were way out of whack from other

1665
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:00,320
cities when it came to commercial rates.

1666
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:04,080
Uh we were really, really high. So to be

1667
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:06,800
competitive, we had to bring those down.

1668
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:09,360
So, our base rate for a commercial meter

1669
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:12,960
changed uh to 4435

1670
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:16,159
uh down 42.95 and the base rate for a

1671
01:27:16,159 --> 01:27:20,480
commercial meter uh was reduced $56 to

1672
01:27:20,480 --> 01:27:23,280
$11848.

1673
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:25,040
Now, our commercial and industrial

1674
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:28,400
users, they use a ton of water depending

1675
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:31,040
on what their manufacturing process is.

1676
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:32,800
This is in line with what other cities

1677
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:36,400
do as well. Those were changed from 0 to

1678
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:38,560
100,000 gallons at the same rate that a

1679
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:43,679
resident pays$ 875 100,000 to 250 1095

1680
01:27:43,679 --> 01:27:47,840
and 250,000 gallons plus 1645

1681
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,719
>> what was the former usage

1682
01:27:50,719 --> 01:27:52,080
>> uh I don't have that with me

1683
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:54,800
>> it was it it matched

1684
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:56,560
their tiers were the same as the

1685
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:58,960
residential tiers

1686
01:27:58,960 --> 01:27:59,360
that

1687
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:01,679
>> oh if that was your question everything

1688
01:28:01,679 --> 01:28:02,960
was the same

1689
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:04,800
>> and I also do you mind if I point out

1690
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:07,600
that these these rates that are right

1691
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:09,679
here that you have just showed. These

1692
01:28:09,679 --> 01:28:11,520
are not the current rates. That's not

1693
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:13,679
what we get currently charged. Our rates

1694
01:28:13,679 --> 01:28:14,880
have been adjusted after

1695
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:15,920
>> with Witchita.

1696
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:18,719
>> Well, they yes, these are old slides

1697
01:28:18,719 --> 01:28:19,520
that were presented.

1698
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:20,639
>> Okay. I just wanted

1699
01:28:20,639 --> 01:28:23,040
>> So, there has been inflationary

1700
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:23,440
>> Yes.

1701
01:28:23,440 --> 01:28:27,120
adjustments to them to to

1702
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:27,360
>> Yes.

1703
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:29,280
to make up for what Witchah has

1704
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:30,880
increased their water rates.

1705
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:32,320
>> I just wanted to point that out. So, if

1706
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:33,760
somebody is out there going, "Wait a

1707
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:36,320
minute. when I calculated my rate, I'm

1708
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:37,840
getting charged a little more than that.

1709
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:39,679
Yes, right now.

1710
01:28:39,679 --> 01:28:41,679
>> Yes, this was when the change was made.

1711
01:28:41,679 --> 01:28:42,960
I just want to make sure that it's

1712
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:44,239
clear.

1713
01:28:44,239 --> 01:28:46,880
>> So, everybody in the audience knows the

1714
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:49,440
city of Ki purchases our water from

1715
01:28:49,440 --> 01:28:51,679
Witchah. We purchase it at a wholesale

1716
01:28:51,679 --> 01:28:54,159
rate. We mark it up a little bit because

1717
01:28:54,159 --> 01:28:56,239
we have a system that we have to

1718
01:28:56,239 --> 01:28:58,320
maintain and run and that's what we

1719
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:02,080
charge for that. So anytime those base

1720
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:03,920
rates, those wholesale rates from

1721
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:06,639
Witchah change, we have to pass those on

1722
01:29:06,639 --> 01:29:09,360
to and that's part of our

1723
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:14,000
>> and that is one of the other things when we say that there hasn't been any

1724
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:16,719
changes to our rates. We do not mean

1725
01:29:16,719 --> 01:29:19,040
that there has been no increases because

1726
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:20,800
as you all know there are times where

1727
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:23,199
our water rates have increased and that

1728
01:29:23,199 --> 01:29:27,440
is due to WA witchah raising theirs. So

1729
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:30,239
since 2016, we had not raised the base

1730
01:29:30,239 --> 01:29:33,600
rate at all, but the tiered usage rate

1731
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:36,639
did change. So just to make sure that

1732
01:29:36,639 --> 01:29:38,800
we're the same terminology there.

1733
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:41,199
>> And and additionally, that there's a 3%

1734
01:29:41,199 --> 01:29:42,960
escalation rate that goes into effect

1735
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:44,400
every August 1st.

1736
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:45,120
>> Yes.

1737
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:50,239
That that wasn't there. Could you explain what the water fund is

1738
01:29:50,239 --> 01:29:52,400
used for?

1739
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:53,760
ask to get the what

1740
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:55,199
>> you talked about the water fund was

1741
01:29:55,199 --> 01:29:56,639
going to become insolvent. That's why

1742
01:29:56,639 --> 01:29:59,360
you had to raise the rates.

1743
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:02,239
>> Yeah. Because we weren't charging enough

1744
01:30:02,239 --> 01:30:04,159
supplementing what we were paying for

1745
01:30:04,159 --> 01:30:04,560
water.

1746
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:06,480
>> I understand that. But would you please

1747
01:30:06,480 --> 01:30:09,040
let people know what is that fund used

1748
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:10,880
for? Why do we need to have money in

1749
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:11,920
that fund

1750
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:14,159
>> in the water utility fund? Yes.

1751
01:30:14,159 --> 01:30:16,080
>> Yes. We have to have money in there for

1752
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:18,320
repairs to the water lines, maintenance

1753
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:20,480
of the system, to pay personnel to work

1754
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:22,719
on the system. all those things that go

1755
01:30:22,719 --> 01:30:25,040
with operating the utility.

1756
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:28,080
>> Thank you.

1757
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:32,000
>> So, this week uh we were contacted

1758
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:34,239
initially by a couple people on Monday

1759
01:30:34,239 --> 01:30:36,960
about an increase in water rates. The

1760
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:39,600
mayor made us aware of couple people she

1761
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:42,800
had talked to as well and

1762
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:45,600
social media got a hold of it and really

1763
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:48,239
blew it up. So when anything like that

1764
01:30:48,239 --> 01:30:50,639
happens, we here at city hall like to

1765
01:30:50,639 --> 01:30:53,040
step back and look at things in

1766
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:54,960
perspective and that's kind of what this

1767
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:57,600
slide is about here. Um we know that

1768
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:00,159
there are some issues. We absolutely um

1769
01:31:00,159 --> 01:31:01,840
and we're working through those with the

1770
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:04,639
people that have contacted us. Uh

1771
01:31:04,639 --> 01:31:07,440
currently we've had 28 people contact us

1772
01:31:07,440 --> 01:31:09,679
here at city hall about their water

1773
01:31:09,679 --> 01:31:11,600
bill. Questions about it may have been

1774
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:13,360
too high or they just simply had

1775
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:15,520
questions.

1776
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:18,639
not abnormal. Okay. During any billing

1777
01:31:18,639 --> 01:31:21,920
cycle, we have an average of five people

1778
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:24,239
contact us saying, "Hey, can you explain

1779
01:31:24,239 --> 01:31:26,320
my water bill to me? It seems a little

1780
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:28,000
high. Why would that be?" And we walk

1781
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:29,679
through that. If we need to go out and

1782
01:31:29,679 --> 01:31:31,440
check a meter, we recheck a meter, make

1783
01:31:31,440 --> 01:31:34,639
sure it's functioning properly. So,

1784
01:31:34,639 --> 01:31:39,040
we had 28 people contact us. We have 860

1785
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:42,239
utility customers. Okay. So, when we

1786
01:31:42,239 --> 01:31:44,639
look at this in perspective,

1787
01:31:44,639 --> 01:31:46,560
we didn't have a major problem in our

1788
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:51,040
system. We had 96% of people who did not

1789
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:54,639
report a concern. Okay. So, all of those

1790
01:31:54,639 --> 01:31:56,400
people that came in, there were 28

1791
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:59,440
people. Of those 28, there were two

1792
01:31:59,440 --> 01:32:02,560
accounts that had transposed numbers.

1793
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:05,040
Uh, one incident was from the public

1794
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:07,120
works crew misreading the number on the

1795
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:10,639
meter, which happens when you do meter

1796
01:32:10,639 --> 01:32:14,400
reads. The other was uh when we entered

1797
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:17,360
the manual read here at city hall, two

1798
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:19,679
numbers were transposed

1799
01:32:19,679 --> 01:32:23,840
uh 74 for 47. Um those happen all the

1800
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:27,920
time. Uh but the 26 other inquiries that

1801
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:31,600
we looked into, all of those were due to

1802
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:33,760
increased usage. No problems with our

1803
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,560
city water system, no bad meters. It was

1804
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:39,760
all increased usage that was reflected

1805
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:44,390
on the meter.

1806
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:45,920
So, one thing we've heard from people

1807
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:48,800
this week, there is no way that I could

1808
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:51,679
use that much water. And I completely

1809
01:32:51,679 --> 01:32:55,840
understand. So, uh what we have learned

1810
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:58,719
through this process by talking to other

1811
01:32:58,719 --> 01:33:02,159
cities, other water operators, uh and

1812
01:33:02,159 --> 01:33:04,239
doing some research our ourselves to

1813
01:33:04,239 --> 01:33:06,719
help people understand where that usage

1814
01:33:06,719 --> 01:33:09,920
could come from. Uh we just came up with

1815
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:13,199
these uh interesting facts here. A

1816
01:33:13,199 --> 01:33:16,560
typical residential irrigation zone uses

1817
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:20,080
approximately 8 to 15 gallons per minute

1818
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:21,679
depending on the number and type of

1819
01:33:21,679 --> 01:33:23,840
sprinkler heads. As you can see on the

1820
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:26,159
chart up here for a 20 minute cycle

1821
01:33:26,159 --> 01:33:28,560
depending on if your system has eight

1822
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:30,320
gallon per minute, 12 gallon per minute,

1823
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:33,120
15 gallons per minute, they can use a

1824
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:36,080
lot of water in a 20 minute period. Uh,

1825
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:38,159
I didn't understand that, but there's a

1826
01:33:38,159 --> 01:33:39,760
lot of water that's being dumped on your

1827
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:41,600
yard, especially when it's hot out like

1828
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:47,600
this. People increase their watering and use uh a lot more water. So, per for

1829
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:50,320
perspective, a six zone system running

1830
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:53,840
20 minutes per zone every day could use

1831
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:57,520
approximately 1,200 to 1,800 gallons a

1832
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:01,199
day. And that equates to 36 to 54,000

1833
01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:07,590
gallons per month.

1834
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:09,199
The mayor had asked about some of the

1835
01:34:09,199 --> 01:34:13,920
ordinances uh as they relate to uh water

1836
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:16,800
and water utilities um and how we handle

1837
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,600
those uh when somebody comes in and we

1838
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:22,000
deal with these. So our ordinance says

1839
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:24,719
that on water leaks when a water line

1840
01:34:24,719 --> 01:34:26,960
leak is located on the city side, so

1841
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:29,120
that would be from the meter usually to

1842
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:31,199
the street, the city side, the supply

1843
01:34:31,199 --> 01:34:34,560
side, uh the city is responsible for any

1844
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:37,920
repairs and costs to repairs and loss of

1845
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:41,760
water. When the leak is from the meter

1846
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:45,040
to the house on the customer side, the

1847
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:46,800
customer shall be responsible for

1848
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:48,719
repairs and water loss that are

1849
01:34:48,719 --> 01:34:50,639
occurred.

1850
01:34:50,639 --> 01:34:52,080
We have a city ordinance like most

1851
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:54,719
cities that says people will do what's

1852
01:34:54,719 --> 01:34:59,199
necessary to keep uh unnecessary waste

1853
01:34:59,199 --> 01:35:02,080
or you know use of water uh to a

1854
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:04,239
minimum. Check your sprinklers uh

1855
01:35:04,239 --> 01:35:07,040
hydrants faucets all other apparatuses

1856
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:10,080
in your house that are using water.

1857
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:12,239
And many people have asked can we have

1858
01:35:12,239 --> 01:35:15,040
our meter tested? Absolutely we can test

1859
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:17,280
your meter and our city ordinance covers

1860
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:20,320
that. Uh meters shall be tested before

1861
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:22,239
being set. All of our meters are

1862
01:35:22,239 --> 01:35:23,679
certified before they're set in the

1863
01:35:23,679 --> 01:35:26,960
ground by public works. Uh any other

1864
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:28,800
time when there appears to when they

1865
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:31,199
appear to be measuring incorrectly. If a

1866
01:35:31,199 --> 01:35:33,679
test is required by the customer and the

1867
01:35:33,679 --> 01:35:37,360
meter is found to be accurate within 2%

1868
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:39,679
the meter will be deemed correct and a

1869
01:35:39,679 --> 01:35:42,239
charge of this says 10. I think it's a

1870
01:35:42,239 --> 01:35:45,280
typo in our ordinance. Uh, so we'll say

1871
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:47,600
$10 plus the amount equal to the actual

1872
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:50,080
cost associated with the testing of said

1873
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:53,280
meter. So what that says is if one of

1874
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:54,800
our water customers comes to us and

1875
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:56,400
says, "We really don't think our meter

1876
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:58,239
is operating correctly. Would you test

1877
01:35:58,239 --> 01:36:02,320
it for us?" We can test that meter.

1878
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:04,480
We will test the meter. If the meter is

1879
01:36:04,480 --> 01:36:08,639
good and it's operating correctly, the

1880
01:36:08,639 --> 01:36:12,080
customer is charged for the cost of

1881
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:14,159
checking that meter. If the meter is

1882
01:36:14,159 --> 01:36:16,480
defective, the city incurs the cost on

1883
01:36:16,480 --> 01:36:23,430
that. We replace the meter.

1884
01:36:23,440 --> 01:36:25,199
So, we've been looking at a lot of water

1885
01:36:25,199 --> 01:36:26,880
bills and statements this week, and I

1886
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:28,400
kind of wanted to put this up. It's a

1887
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:33,669
little bit hard to read,

1888
01:36:33,679 --> 01:36:35,440
but I'll walk you through it the best I

1889
01:36:35,440 --> 01:36:39,840
can. So, the very top graph there is a

1890
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:43,040
customer here in town who said, "We use

1891
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:45,840
very little water and our water bill has

1892
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:50,000
doubled. We don't know why. Um we know

1893
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:53,440
we don't use water. Um we don't have

1894
01:36:53,440 --> 01:36:55,040
many

1895
01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:59,280
sinks or things in our in our house that

1896
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:03,679
use water. So we pulled up there for a

1897
01:37:03,679 --> 01:37:06,400
month and we could see that in fact they

1898
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:08,960
were very low. I mean right down near

1899
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:11,280
zero there. Uh very very little

1900
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:12,719
consumption.

1901
01:37:12,719 --> 01:37:15,679
Now you see there's three bar graphs

1902
01:37:15,679 --> 01:37:20,000
there that pop up very high. Uh those

1903
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:22,159
indicate that

1904
01:37:22,159 --> 01:37:26,400
something in the system water.

1905
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:29,440
So the first blue tick mark that comes

1906
01:37:29,440 --> 01:37:40,950
up is represented

1907
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:49,750
one day

1908
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:52,080
11 a.m.

1909
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:55,360
11 p.m. Something occurred on that

1910
01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:56,400
system.

1911
01:37:56,400 --> 01:38:11,109
that caused a spike.

1912
01:38:11,119 --> 01:38:13,760
Utility operators

1913
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:25,830
that uses

1914
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:29,040
So that goes on. It increases throughout

1915
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:31,760
the day. Through the pink bar there, you

1916
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:35,199
can see up to 4,800 gallons were used.

1917
01:38:35,199 --> 01:38:40,000
Drops down to 1500 gallons. We can see

1918
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:42,800
on that bottom chart exactly what

1919
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:47,590
happened.

1920
01:38:47,600 --> 01:39:16,390
Yes, this person did very very

1921
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:19,920
every incident or every

1922
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:24,709
resident

1923
01:39:24,719 --> 01:39:26,719
go

1924
01:39:26,719 --> 01:39:29,199
these incidents.

1925
01:39:29,199 --> 01:39:33,040
>> So are are all three of

1926
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:35,920
>> all four of those from the same

1927
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:37,840
customer?

1928
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:39,199
All four of those graphs.

1929
01:39:39,199 --> 01:39:40,080
>> Yeah,

1930
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:41,840
>> that was just to explain that one

1931
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:43,679
anomaly broke down.

1932
01:39:43,679 --> 01:39:45,840
>> Okay. from monthly to.

1933
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:47,360
>> Okay, thank you.

1934
01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:49,360
>> So, this graph here shows a customer

1935
01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:50,960
that came in and they're like, there is

1936
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:53,360
no way that we could use that much

1937
01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:56,560
water. Impossible. So, we pulled up

1938
01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:58,719
their account. We can see that they are

1939
01:39:58,719 --> 01:40:05,109
following

1940
01:40:05,119 --> 01:40:15,350
those.

1941
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:17,040
didn't realize that was happening. They

1942
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:18,639
didn't realize their system was running

1943
01:40:18,639 --> 01:40:22,159
so long. They used 12,000.

1944
01:40:22,159 --> 01:40:24,000
>> So

1945
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:26,480
where it says the gallons and it's 20 40

1946
01:40:26,480 --> 01:40:27,840
60

1947
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:28,639
>> is that

1948
01:40:28,639 --> 01:40:32,159
>> have to add a zero to that does not

1949
01:40:32,159 --> 01:40:33,040
>> for whatever reason.

1950
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:33,520
>> Yeah.

1951
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:35,840
>> Okay. Well, I just when when we're

1952
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:37,840
giving these amounts and we see 20, 40,

1953
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:40,639
60, I want to make sure that we're aware

1954
01:40:40,639 --> 01:40:44,880
that that is 200, 400, 600.

1955
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:49,199
>> Yeah. Another scenario here

1956
01:40:49,199 --> 01:40:52,080
where we look at they came in that there

1957
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:54,639
were issues with their system.

1958
01:40:54,639 --> 01:40:57,440
We look at the system, we can see uh

1959
01:40:57,440 --> 01:40:59,840
that their usage per week, another this

1960
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:01,840
was probably another sprinkler system,

1961
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:04,719
three days a week. uh their system is

1962
01:41:04,719 --> 01:41:06,960
burning 800 gallons.

1963
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:08,560
>> Okay.

1964
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:11,199
>> So, this one says the hundreds and it is

1965
01:41:11,199 --> 01:41:13,520
the hundreds.

1966
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:14,400
>> Is that correct?

1967
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:17,920
>> I'm sorry. This one is 8,000.

1968
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:22,880
>> Okay. Okay. So, if that's 8,000,

1969
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:25,280
is that 110,000?

1970
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:30,470
>> No. This this was

1971
01:41:30,480 --> 01:41:34,159
which equals 11,000 gallons that

1972
01:41:34,159 --> 01:41:37,600
>> So how does a resident know which when

1973
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:39,760
because I had a resident send their

1974
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:43,119
chart to me and I I don't know if it's

1975
01:41:43,119 --> 01:41:46,639
actually tens or actual gallons.

1976
01:41:46,639 --> 01:41:48,639
>> Yeah. And that's why we encourage people

1977
01:41:48,639 --> 01:41:50,480
to come talk to us because we will walk

1978
01:41:50,480 --> 01:41:52,719
them through everything that we have.

1979
01:41:52,719 --> 01:41:53,199
>> Okay.

1980
01:41:53,199 --> 01:41:55,840
>> Yeah. That's the best way to do it. So

1981
01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:58,159
other things that we learned um during

1982
01:41:58,159 --> 01:42:01,679
this process a small a very small leak

1983
01:42:01,679 --> 01:42:04,080
can waste thousands of gallons in 30

1984
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:05,600
days.

1985
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:08,719
A10 gallon per minute leak which is

1986
01:42:08,719 --> 01:42:11,679
equal to six tablespoons. Think of a

1987
01:42:11,679 --> 01:42:15,199
dripping faucet uses 144 gallons a

1988
01:42:15,199 --> 01:42:16,800
day,000

1989
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:21,920
gallons in seven days and 4320 gall in a

1990
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:25,109
month.

1991
01:42:25,119 --> 01:42:29,199
A reverse osmosis system.

1992
01:42:29,199 --> 01:42:30,880
Many people are having them installed in

1993
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:34,000
their house. A reverse osmosis system.

1994
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:36,960
For every one gallon of purified water

1995
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:40,480
its puts out, it discharges five gallons

1996
01:42:40,480 --> 01:42:42,239
of dirt.

1997
01:42:42,239 --> 01:42:47,270
You can see how quickly that adds up.

1998
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:49,679
So things we know, assurances that we

1999
01:42:49,679 --> 01:42:51,440
can provide our community in this

2000
01:42:51,440 --> 01:42:53,119
incident.

2001
01:42:53,119 --> 01:42:55,679
First and foremost, our number one

2002
01:42:55,679 --> 01:42:57,840
responsibility is to provide safe and

2003
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:00,960
reliable water to the residential meter.

2004
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:02,400
Make sure that our system is working

2005
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:04,080
correctly. The water that we are

2006
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:07,440
delivering to you is safe and reliable.

2007
01:43:07,440 --> 01:43:09,520
All of our water meters are certified

2008
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:13,109
before being installed.

2009
01:43:13,119 --> 01:43:14,960
Through this

2010
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:18,239
process we have we can confirm uh and

2011
01:43:18,239 --> 01:43:20,320
prove that our meters are working and

2012
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:22,639
that we are selling the water that is

2013
01:43:22,639 --> 01:43:24,239
sold.

2014
01:43:24,239 --> 01:43:28,639
What we know is this year we have sold 3

2015
01:43:28,639 --> 01:43:31,520
million gallons more

2016
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:33,920
in June and July this billing period

2017
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:37,040
that's in question than we did in

2018
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:38,719
we know that all the water that we

2019
01:43:38,719 --> 01:43:42,159
purchased we sold. So there's not a

2020
01:43:42,159 --> 01:43:45,520
surplus of water. HI does not have the

2021
01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:47,840
ability to store water. Don't have a

2022
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:50,480
water tower. Don't store the water

2023
01:43:50,480 --> 01:43:53,280
anywhere.

2024
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:55,199
Those numbers are consistent. Tells us

2025
01:43:55,199 --> 01:43:57,119
we don't have a leak in the system. And

2026
01:43:57,119 --> 01:44:00,960
it tells us that everything coming in.

2027
01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:02,880
>> And just for clarification, I know he

2028
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:04,960
just said June and July. He meant June

2029
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:07,920
30th to July 31st. It wasn't two

2030
01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:09,760
different months. It was a 30 basically

2031
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:12,320
a 30-day period. It was just 3 million

2032
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:14,880
gallons one time that we sold

2033
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:15,920
>> during that period. Yes.

2034
01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:17,679
>> Correct.

2035
01:44:17,679 --> 01:44:21,040
>> So, we had a couple people say, "Well,

2036
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:22,800
we think our meter is inflating the

2037
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:24,560
usage." Okay.

2038
01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:26,719
>> If a meter was inflating the usage,

2039
01:44:26,719 --> 01:44:29,920
which there are no electronic moving

2040
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:32,960
components in it, a meter only monitors

2041
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:36,480
what comes through it. The water flow

2042
01:44:36,480 --> 01:44:38,880
is accounted by a little spinning wheel

2043
01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:41,040
in it. It's not hooked to an electric

2044
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:42,800
motor or anything like that. It it

2045
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:45,119
doesn't move unless water's flowing. If

2046
01:44:45,119 --> 01:44:48,000
meters were were inflating the usage, we

2047
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:50,080
would have a surplus of water. We know

2048
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:53,119
we don't have a surplus of water. Uh we

2049
01:44:53,119 --> 01:44:56,000
do not have the cap the capability to

2050
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:58,400
produce our own water. we purchase from

2051
01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:03,830
Witchah and sell with

2052
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:05,679
After gathering all this information, I

2053
01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:07,280
called the mayor. I asked her to come in

2054
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:08,960
and sit down with us and we met for

2055
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:12,080
about two hours and we presented her

2056
01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:15,040
with all the information that we had.

2057
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:17,920
myself, public works director, utility

2058
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:21,040
billing clerk, city clerk, we all sat

2059
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:23,520
down, we all discussed this

2060
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:25,520
and at the end of the meeting uh we came

2061
01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:28,400
up with these findings uh that all water

2062
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:30,800
meters that we checked are functioning

2063
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:32,400
properly.

2064
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:34,639
After investigation, all complaints of

2065
01:45:34,639 --> 01:45:36,719
high bills are directly related to

2066
01:45:36,719 --> 01:45:38,960
customer usage.

2067
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:40,480
All meters in question have been

2068
01:45:40,480 --> 01:45:44,320
rechecked that extreme dry and heat

2069
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:47,760
contributed to more use by customers

2070
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:51,119
and water water purchased and water used

2071
01:45:51,119 --> 01:45:53,920
are consistent. So those figures water

2072
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:55,760
that we that comes through our main

2073
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:57,760
meter and the water that we sell are

2074
01:45:57,760 --> 01:45:59,360
consistent. There's no inconsist

2075
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:02,000
inconsistencies and that goes to where

2076
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:04,400
we have consumed system as a whole more

2077
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:06,719
than three gallon 3 million gallons

2078
01:46:06,719 --> 01:46:07,119
more.

2079
01:46:07,119 --> 01:46:08,239
>> I'm just going to make a point of

2080
01:46:08,239 --> 01:46:10,239
clarification here. Um these were the

2081
01:46:10,239 --> 01:46:12,080
findings that were presented to the

2082
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:14,719
mayor. These are not my findings. These

2083
01:46:14,719 --> 01:46:19,750
were the city's findings.

2084
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:22,000
» So, we as a team agreed that we would

2085
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:24,400
put some additional steps in process to

2086
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:28,560
help our residential customers. Uh

2087
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:30,159
putting additional information on our

2088
01:46:30,159 --> 01:46:32,000
social media site, which we have started

2089
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:34,960
to do. Start putting door hangers on

2090
01:46:34,960 --> 01:46:37,040
homes when leaks are observed. Our

2091
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:38,639
public works department when they're

2092
01:46:38,639 --> 01:46:41,280
just out and about routinely stops by

2093
01:46:41,280 --> 01:46:45,199
people's house and if they see a leak

2094
01:46:45,199 --> 01:46:47,679
mostly with their irrigation system.

2095
01:46:47,679 --> 01:46:49,440
They see water running down the driveway

2096
01:46:49,440 --> 01:46:51,600
or over the curb. They stop, they knock

2097
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:52,960
on the door, they try to get a hold of

2098
01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:55,360
them, tell them, "Hey, you have a leak.

2099
01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:58,080
You probably need to look at it." We as

2100
01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:00,719
a city cannot fix those leaks or

2101
01:47:00,719 --> 01:47:02,320
anything like that on the resident side

2102
01:47:02,320 --> 01:47:05,280
of the of the meter. We do not have the

2103
01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:09,199
authority to go fix somebody's. Okay.

2104
01:47:09,199 --> 01:47:10,960
Put door hangers on when meters are

2105
01:47:10,960 --> 01:47:13,280
replaced. In the past, when a meter was

2106
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:15,280
replaced, public works just went out,

2107
01:47:15,280 --> 01:47:16,960
shut off the water, put the new meter

2108
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:18,560
in, hooked it up, turned the water back

2109
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:20,159
on, and people usually never knew about

2110
01:47:20,159 --> 01:47:22,560
it. But we will start notifying people

2111
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:25,199
when they have a new meter.

2112
01:47:25,199 --> 01:47:27,280
>> Uh the city

2113
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:30,320
is continually going through an upgrade

2114
01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:33,840
meter process. We have

2115
01:47:33,840 --> 01:47:36,480
lack of a better term, our system now,

2116
01:47:36,480 --> 01:47:38,639
or our old system had what we call

2117
01:47:38,639 --> 01:47:41,440
manual read units on it where the guys

2118
01:47:41,440 --> 01:47:42,960
would go up, they'd pull the lid up,

2119
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:45,520
they'd flip the lid, wipe it off with a

2120
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:48,480
little rag, and take the

2121
01:47:48,480 --> 01:47:51,600
Now we have a mix of electronic read and

2122
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:54,320
manual read. The electronic read sends

2123
01:47:54,320 --> 01:47:56,880
the signal to city hall, integrates with

2124
01:47:56,880 --> 01:48:03,030
our system, and produces the wall.

2125
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:04,719
There is a future option as we get

2126
01:48:04,719 --> 01:48:06,639
switched over to this new electronic

2127
01:48:06,639 --> 01:48:09,199
system uh for the opportunity for

2128
01:48:09,199 --> 01:48:11,840
residents to have access to a portal

2129
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:15,119
similar to what Witchah does where you

2130
01:48:15,119 --> 01:48:17,520
pay a small fee and then you can log on

2131
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:19,760
each month and you can see updated

2132
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:22,639
history of your water. So that's what

2133
01:48:22,639 --> 01:48:25,679
we're working towards.

2134
01:48:25,679 --> 01:48:28,560
Uh, and last but not least, we want

2135
01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:30,080
people to know that you can have your

2136
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:32,400
water meter tested. And like I said

2137
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:36,400
before, these would apply if that meter

2138
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:38,239
was in good condition, good operating

2139
01:48:38,239 --> 01:48:39,280
condition.

2140
01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:40,320
>> Okay.

2141
01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:41,920
>> Um, I would like to say that I am

2142
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:44,159
appreciative of city staff um, in doing

2143
01:48:44,159 --> 01:48:47,360
their investigation. I appreciate that I

2144
01:48:47,360 --> 01:48:49,360
was included in the meeting to hear

2145
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:51,360
their updates and their findings and

2146
01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:53,360
that there are um, new steps they're

2147
01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:57,030
going to take going forward.

2148
01:48:57,040 --> 01:49:00,320
So, I talked to council member Headstrom

2149
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:03,119
today and

2150
01:49:03,119 --> 01:49:04,800
trying to wrap our head around, you

2151
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:06,560
know, if we have an issue. We're not

2152
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:08,080
seeing an issue is what I'm saying on

2153
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:10,560
the cities. We don't have any major

2154
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:12,400
leaks. What we are seeing when we look

2155
01:49:12,400 --> 01:49:15,520
at all these accounts is increased usage

2156
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:19,199
at the meter. What what is causing that

2157
01:49:19,199 --> 01:49:21,119
increased usage, we don't know. That's

2158
01:49:21,119 --> 01:49:22,960
what's frustrating for us, too. We just

2159
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:25,119
don't have the ability to to find that

2160
01:49:25,119 --> 01:49:28,880
out. So, we like to try to use the tools

2161
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:31,199
that we have to help people find out uh

2162
01:49:31,199 --> 01:49:33,280
what is occurring.

2163
01:49:33,280 --> 01:49:36,400
Todd said, is there a way to find out

2164
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:39,199
where most of the complaints are coming

2165
01:49:39,199 --> 01:49:41,760
from? So, this afternoon, we threw

2166
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:45,040
together a little pin dot map here of

2167
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:47,920
where the complaints are coming from,

2168
01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:49,920
and

2169
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:52,960
they're somewhat consolidated uh up here

2170
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:55,600
in this this northern area of town off

2171
01:49:55,600 --> 01:49:57,920
of Oliver, but there's a couple more

2172
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:00,480
throughout town. So, uh, we will use

2173
01:50:00,480 --> 01:50:02,800
this information to see if there's been

2174
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:05,280
any changes to the system. We have not

2175
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:07,920
made any system, but could it be a

2176
01:50:07,920 --> 01:50:11,040
pressure issue? Um, is there has

2177
01:50:11,040 --> 01:50:12,800
something increased the pressure in our

2178
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:15,520
system that we don't know about that's

2179
01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:20,960
creating more water to be pushed through

2180
01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:22,880
different?

2181
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:25,840
So, this all of this information, the

2182
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:27,360
information we get from citizens when

2183
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:29,679
they come in, we use it to try to figure

2184
01:50:29,679 --> 01:50:32,080
out what's going.

2185
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:34,080
But I think uh what I want the council

2186
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:36,960
to know and I what I want our resident

2187
01:50:36,960 --> 01:51:19,910
is please

2188
01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:35,109
There's a reason for it.

2189
01:51:35,119 --> 01:51:57,270
You don't

2190
01:51:57,280 --> 01:52:29,350
Very

2191
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:47,990
Everybody,

2192
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:49,679
» I will have more to discuss once we get

2193
01:52:49,679 --> 01:52:52,320
through public comment. Um, council, do

2194
01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:53,760
you have anything for city administrator

2195
01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:54,639
Jensy?

2196
01:52:54,639 --> 01:52:56,400
>> Um, I'm gonna wait till after public

2197
01:52:56,400 --> 01:52:56,880
comment.

2198
01:52:56,880 --> 01:52:59,679
>> Okay.

2199
01:52:59,679 --> 01:53:02,080
Anyone else? No, not at this time. Thank

2200
01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:03,520
you for the presentation. I really

2201
01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:06,000
appreciate it.

2202
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:10,159
Okay. Um, for public comment, um, I kind

2203
01:53:10,159 --> 01:53:11,520
of put out a warning not knowing how

2204
01:53:11,520 --> 01:53:12,960
many people were going to sign up to

2205
01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:15,440
actually speak. So, at this time, the

2206
01:53:15,440 --> 01:53:17,199
number is low enough. You will each have

2207
01:53:17,199 --> 01:53:18,639
five minutes when your name is called.

2208
01:53:18,639 --> 01:53:20,000
When you come to the podium, please

2209
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:22,080
speak into the microphone so that it

2210
01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:25,040
gets recorded and state your name and

2211
01:53:25,040 --> 01:53:26,719
your address and then you'll have five

2212
01:53:26,719 --> 01:53:28,480
minutes to share.

2213
01:53:28,480 --> 01:53:40,790
>> Debbie,

2214
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:43,040
» welcome

2215
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:56,470
Jonathan Olson, 231 East Kodiak Court.

2216
01:53:56,480 --> 01:53:59,599
Do we have the ability to display that?

2217
01:53:59,599 --> 01:54:01,280
>> He sent me over the file.

2218
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:01,920
>> It wouldn't

2219
01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:05,589
>> this

2220
01:54:05,599 --> 01:54:07,760
» you couldn't you couldn't get it to

2221
01:54:07,760 --> 01:54:09,520
>> whatever.

2222
01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:10,000
>> Okay.

2223
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:12,639
>> All right. This is

2224
01:54:12,639 --> 01:54:14,320
>> This is from Jonathan.

2225
01:54:14,320 --> 01:54:16,080
>> Oh, this is from Jonathan. Okay. Thank

2226
01:54:16,080 --> 01:54:18,960
you. Okay. Sorry. Thank you. Apologies.

2227
01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:19,599
My bad. I

2228
01:54:19,599 --> 01:54:21,360
>> So, I wanted it up on the screen so you

2229
01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:23,760
could all see that. But, uh, I will

2230
01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:28,159
start with this. Uh, I did a graph of

2231
01:54:28,159 --> 01:54:30,159
I don't know the exact years, but the

2232
01:54:30,159 --> 01:54:33,679
2021 rates and I was given the rates

2233
01:54:33,679 --> 01:54:36,719
now, which are very comparable to yours

2234
01:54:36,719 --> 01:54:39,119
uh, three months ago.

2235
01:54:39,119 --> 01:54:42,880
So, and I just wanted to emphasize the

2236
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:45,840
percentages.

2237
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:48,800
Uh, the basic rate went up 27% which is

2238
01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:51,119
reasonable.

2239
01:54:51,119 --> 01:54:54,080
The,000 to 5,000 gallons only went up

2240
01:54:54,080 --> 01:54:57,589
20%.

2241
01:54:57,599 --> 01:55:02,719
The 5,000 to 10,000 went up 50%.

2242
01:55:02,719 --> 01:55:07,360
10,000 to 15,000 went up 88%.

2243
01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:12,159
15,000 to 25 went up 54%.

2244
01:55:12,159 --> 01:55:14,960
And for us people that have fescue yards

2245
01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:18,320
and bigger yards, anything over 25

2246
01:55:18,320 --> 01:55:22,629
gallons went up 130%.

2247
01:55:22,639 --> 01:55:27,040
And all at once, that increase to me is

2248
01:55:27,040 --> 01:55:29,440
very hard to swallow.

2249
01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:30,960
Okay.

2250
01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:34,159
Now, my water bill,

2251
01:55:34,159 --> 01:55:37,199
uh, last month it was $51,000

2252
01:55:37,199 --> 01:55:38,880
$1,000 bill.

2253
01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:39,599
>> Wait, wait.

2254
01:55:39,599 --> 01:55:40,800
>> Excuse me. Could you say that again,

2255
01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:41,920
please?

2256
01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:45,199
>> Last month, my bill I just got for July.

2257
01:55:45,199 --> 01:55:45,920
>> Uhhuh.

2258
01:55:45,920 --> 01:55:47,840
>> Was 51,000 gallons.

2259
01:55:47,840 --> 01:55:48,800
>> 51,000 gallons.

2260
01:55:48,800 --> 01:55:49,199
>> Thank you.

2261
01:55:49,199 --> 01:55:52,229
>> Okay.

2262
01:55:52,239 --> 01:55:53,280
» I know about that one.

2263
01:55:53,280 --> 01:55:54,800
>> I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait.

2264
01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:56,880
>> And so it's a $1,000 bill.

2265
01:55:56,880 --> 01:55:57,760
>> Okay.

2266
01:55:57,760 --> 01:56:00,480
>> I came in. I do have an electronic

2267
01:56:00,480 --> 01:56:03,119
meter. So, I came in and it appears my

2268
01:56:03,119 --> 01:56:04,880
August bill, which is the same amount of

2269
01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:06,960
water, three days every week, haven't

2270
01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:08,800
turned it off, is going to be under

2271
01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:10,960
40,000 gallons. So, I'm going to wait

2272
01:56:10,960 --> 01:56:13,040
till I get my exact bill and then we'll

2273
01:56:13,040 --> 01:56:17,679
come and talk. Uh, and it looked like my

2274
01:56:17,679 --> 01:56:19,440
graph, there were no I looked at the

2275
01:56:19,440 --> 01:56:21,920
graphs for both months, no peaks or

2276
01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:25,440
leaky toilets or anything like that. So,

2277
01:56:25,440 --> 01:56:28,400
uh, I appreciate Matt your openness and

2278
01:56:28,400 --> 01:56:31,280
willingness to work with people.

2279
01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:37,040
So, but anyway, with these rates

2280
01:56:37,040 --> 01:56:39,760
on a dry month,

2281
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:42,320
my bill is going to be $600, $700 a

2282
01:56:42,320 --> 01:56:44,320
month.

2283
01:56:44,320 --> 01:56:48,159
Okay. So, I have a choice. Am I going to

2284
01:56:48,159 --> 01:56:49,679
pay that amount of money or am I going

2285
01:56:49,679 --> 01:56:53,990
to have brown grass?

2286
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:56,159
And brown grass is not attractive to

2287
01:56:56,159 --> 01:56:58,239
people driving through Kichi or are

2288
01:56:58,239 --> 01:57:00,719
thinking about moving in.

2289
01:57:00,719 --> 01:57:05,840
$500 water bills are not either. Okay.

2290
01:57:05,840 --> 01:57:07,760
And I guess my last comment is supply

2291
01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:11,270
and demand.

2292
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:14,960
uh at the prices you have set, we as

2293
01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:17,760
customers have a choice to pay the bill

2294
01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:20,960
or turn the water off. And some of us

2295
01:57:20,960 --> 01:57:22,719
will turn the water off, which means

2296
01:57:22,719 --> 01:57:25,360
less money for you.

2297
01:57:25,360 --> 01:57:30,390
So that's simple supply and demand.

2298
01:57:30,400 --> 01:57:31,920
So

2299
01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:33,679
thank you very much.

2300
01:57:33,679 --> 01:57:36,560
>> Thank you, Jonathan. Council, did you

2301
01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:37,840
have anything you wanted to respond to,

2302
01:57:37,840 --> 01:57:39,520
Jonathan

2303
01:57:39,520 --> 01:57:41,520
or not? At this time,

2304
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:44,159
>> I'm I mean, I'm Well, I'm just going to

2305
01:57:44,159 --> 01:57:46,159
say I want to hear from everybody that

2306
01:57:46,159 --> 01:57:47,599
has a concern.

2307
01:57:47,599 --> 01:57:49,840
>> And I do I am taking that into account

2308
01:57:49,840 --> 01:57:52,480
to make sure I ask the correct questions

2309
01:57:52,480 --> 01:57:55,119
and formulate them at the end. So,

2310
01:57:55,119 --> 01:57:56,639
please don't take it that I'm not asking

2311
01:57:56,639 --> 01:57:59,040
you because I'm not interested and I'm

2312
01:57:59,040 --> 01:58:00,960
not listening. I am, but I want to kind

2313
01:58:00,960 --> 01:58:04,080
of get the whole picture.

2314
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:06,400
I would like to ask one question in

2315
01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:08,800
council that he just brought up. So the

2316
01:58:08,800 --> 01:58:11,040
recommended high rate on the over a

2317
01:58:11,040 --> 01:58:12,639
thousand gallons is that part of the

2318
01:58:12,639 --> 01:58:15,199
recommendation that came from Witchah

2319
01:58:15,199 --> 01:58:17,599
due to conservation that the higher

2320
01:58:17,599 --> 01:58:19,840
volume should be charged at a much

2321
01:58:19,840 --> 01:58:22,880
higher rate to try to get people to

2322
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:23,599
water less.

2323
01:58:23,599 --> 01:58:25,199
>> It wasn't necessarily charge a higher

2324
01:58:25,199 --> 01:58:33,910
rate.

2325
01:58:33,920 --> 01:58:34,480
Okay,

2326
01:58:34,480 --> 01:58:49,669
>> this was one of many. But remember,

2327
01:58:49,679 --> 01:58:50,080
» thank you.

2328
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:53,920
>> So the do we know what? Well, I'll I'm

2329
01:58:53,920 --> 01:58:55,760
going to save my question till the end.

2330
01:58:55,760 --> 01:58:58,480
It will be related to that.

2331
01:58:58,480 --> 01:59:00,560
>> I think as we go through these also,

2332
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:02,719
it's important to note that in the tier

2333
01:59:02,719 --> 01:59:05,119
system, you pay the lower rate for the

2334
01:59:05,119 --> 01:59:08,719
5,000. If you use 27,000, you pay the

2335
01:59:08,719 --> 01:59:10,560
low rate and then the next rate and then

2336
01:59:10,560 --> 01:59:12,880
the next. It doesn't I I had that

2337
01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:15,199
question this week. So, you don't get

2338
01:59:15,199 --> 01:59:17,040
charged just because you went over that.

2339
01:59:17,040 --> 01:59:18,639
You don't get charged for every gallon

2340
01:59:18,639 --> 01:59:20,480
of usage at that rate.

2341
01:59:20,480 --> 01:59:22,800
>> Okay. All right. Go ahead. Did you have

2342
01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:25,760
something else?

2343
01:59:25,760 --> 01:59:27,360
>> Oh, if you want to pass it around, they

2344
01:59:27,360 --> 01:59:28,480
can look at it.

2345
01:59:28,480 --> 01:59:30,080
>> Yeah, you're more than welcome to do

2346
01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:39,109
that. Debbie,

2347
01:59:39,119 --> 01:59:43,030
» welcome Daryl.

2348
01:59:43,040 --> 01:59:46,560
» Daryl Adterbury, 400 East Kodiak. Uh,

2349
01:59:46,560 --> 01:59:48,639
first of all, thank you very much to the

2350
01:59:48,639 --> 01:59:51,599
city administrator for his presentation.

2351
01:59:51,599 --> 01:59:54,719
Uh earlier today I dropped off a letter

2352
01:59:54,719 --> 01:59:58,400
with a lot of questions. Um working

2353
01:59:58,400 --> 02:00:00,080
during the day, don't have time to get

2354
02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:01,760
in here during the day to ask those

2355
02:00:01,760 --> 02:00:04,239
questions. So thought that was a good

2356
02:00:04,239 --> 02:00:07,599
way to do it to get answers. Uh so uh

2357
02:00:07,599 --> 02:00:10,159
his presentation uh answered a lot of

2358
02:00:10,159 --> 02:00:11,520
those questions and it's good to hear

2359
02:00:11,520 --> 02:00:14,320
that the city staff is working on trying

2360
02:00:14,320 --> 02:00:16,159
to find some of the answers to some of

2361
02:00:16,159 --> 02:00:20,320
the questions I already have. Uh, one

2362
02:00:20,320 --> 02:00:22,800
thing that I would like to move on to is

2363
02:00:22,800 --> 02:00:26,400
the uh the bill itself.

2364
02:00:26,400 --> 02:00:29,920
Uh, as I look at the bill and having

2365
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:36,159
talked with uh friends in in uh Maize uh

2366
02:00:36,159 --> 02:00:39,199
Derby and Witchah, their bills look a

2367
02:00:39,199 --> 02:00:41,360
little different and it explains a

2368
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:43,840
little different uh what your usage is.

2369
02:00:43,840 --> 02:00:47,920
like uh Councilman Hedstrom said that uh

2370
02:00:47,920 --> 02:00:50,800
you're build by tier. Well, on those

2371
02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:53,760
bills, it breaks that out in tiers

2372
02:00:53,760 --> 02:00:57,920
exactly what your your uh amount is so

2373
02:00:57,920 --> 02:01:00,800
that it's very clear how much you used

2374
02:01:00,800 --> 02:01:03,199
in each tier and how much your bill

2375
02:01:03,199 --> 02:01:06,000
should be. Uh one of the things I don't

2376
02:01:06,000 --> 02:01:08,639
know is uh is there an incremental

2377
02:01:08,639 --> 02:01:12,719
charge for parts of a thousand? uh we're

2378
02:01:12,719 --> 02:01:15,040
charged 5,000.

2379
02:01:15,040 --> 02:01:17,360
Yeah. Okay. So, I did a calculation on

2380
02:01:17,360 --> 02:01:22,400
mine and I used 19 units and it looks as

2381
02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:25,520
though they were all charged at the tier

2382
02:01:25,520 --> 02:01:26,480
four rate.

2383
02:01:26,480 --> 02:01:27,119
>> Oh.

2384
02:01:27,119 --> 02:01:29,040
>> So, I'll talk to you about

2385
02:01:29,040 --> 02:01:31,599
>> Yeah. Just just real quick while it's on

2386
02:01:31,599 --> 02:01:34,320
my mind. We build by the thousand. So

2387
02:01:34,320 --> 02:01:37,920
when they read each month it's 999

2388
02:01:37,920 --> 02:01:40,880
don't you don't get bill that rolls

2389
02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:42,080
over.

2390
02:01:42,080 --> 02:01:44,080
>> Okay. Yeah. And I look forward to the

2391
02:01:44,080 --> 02:01:46,400
opportunity to come in and discuss when

2392
02:01:46,400 --> 02:01:49,280
we both have time. So with that I'll

2393
02:01:49,280 --> 02:01:52,639
conclude unless you have any questions.

2394
02:01:52,639 --> 02:01:54,080
>> Anybody have any questions council?

2395
02:01:54,080 --> 02:01:56,159
>> I don't I

2396
02:01:56,159 --> 02:01:57,360
>> thank you for the letter. I haven't

2397
02:01:57,360 --> 02:01:59,920
finished reading yet this evening, but

2398
02:01:59,920 --> 02:02:01,199
understand that most of those have

2399
02:02:01,199 --> 02:02:02,960
already been answered or they're going

2400
02:02:02,960 --> 02:02:03,760
to be answered.

2401
02:02:03,760 --> 02:02:04,320
>> Okay.

2402
02:02:04,320 --> 02:02:07,520
>> Thank you.

2403
02:02:07,520 --> 02:02:11,589
>> Debbie.

2404
02:02:11,599 --> 02:02:22,149
» Pam, welcome.

2405
02:02:22,159 --> 02:02:28,790
302 Cheyenne Court.

2406
02:02:28,800 --> 02:02:31,599
My husband built our home 27 years ago

2407
02:02:31,599 --> 02:02:33,599
and I joined him 13 years ago when I

2408
02:02:33,599 --> 02:02:35,599
married him.

2409
02:02:35,599 --> 02:02:38,880
We love Kai

2410
02:02:38,880 --> 02:02:41,360
and along with a lot of my people I

2411
02:02:41,360 --> 02:02:44,159
believe that are still here. We were

2412
02:02:44,159 --> 02:02:48,080
stunned when we opened our water bill.

2413
02:02:48,080 --> 02:02:51,440
We have an almost $800 water bill. We've

2414
02:02:51,440 --> 02:02:55,189
been running 12,000

2415
02:02:55,199 --> 02:02:57,599
12 units. Is that right? 12 units

2416
02:02:57,599 --> 02:03:01,520
>> and we're over 40 now.

2417
02:03:01,520 --> 02:03:05,040
So, our water uses has we don't feel has

2418
02:03:05,040 --> 02:03:06,960
changed.

2419
02:03:06,960 --> 02:03:10,159
Uh we do have um we do not have a leak.

2420
02:03:10,159 --> 02:03:11,920
We do not believe that. We've checked

2421
02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:14,080
our toilets over and over. We've checked

2422
02:03:14,080 --> 02:03:16,960
our systems over and over. Uh, our

2423
02:03:16,960 --> 02:03:20,000
neighbors had theirs reread

2424
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:23,520
on Monday morning and so I went across

2425
02:03:23,520 --> 02:03:25,360
the street and said, "Would you come

2426
02:03:25,360 --> 02:03:27,360
read ours?"

2427
02:03:27,360 --> 02:03:29,440
Bless James Hart. I've never met James

2428
02:03:29,440 --> 02:03:31,360
before, but bless James Hart. He came

2429
02:03:31,360 --> 02:03:34,159
and read our meter. He said, "It's

2430
02:03:34,159 --> 02:03:36,960
running properly." And he said, "There

2431
02:03:36,960 --> 02:03:38,719
are no leaks. Is everything shut off in

2432
02:03:38,719 --> 02:03:41,199
the house?" And I said, "Yes." And he

2433
02:03:41,199 --> 02:03:43,920
showed us the little dial that goes and

2434
02:03:43,920 --> 02:03:45,520
moves. He said if there was a leak that

2435
02:03:45,520 --> 02:03:47,599
would be moving. Yeah, that would be

2436
02:03:47,599 --> 02:03:49,599
moving.

2437
02:03:49,599 --> 02:03:51,760
And so we thanked him for his kindness

2438
02:03:51,760 --> 02:03:54,960
and then I made a way to city hall.

2439
02:03:54,960 --> 02:03:58,080
I asked to speak with Thomas and I got a

2440
02:03:58,080 --> 02:04:01,599
whole bundle of people. I got Thomas, I

2441
02:04:01,599 --> 02:04:04,880
got our city administrator, I got um

2442
02:04:04,880 --> 02:04:08,000
Christa and I got Ben.

2443
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:10,159
And we sat down and we had a really nice

2444
02:04:10,159 --> 02:04:12,480
cordial conversation.

2445
02:04:12,480 --> 02:04:15,760
But when I left, I realized I still

2446
02:04:15,760 --> 02:04:19,440
didn't have the why of my water usage.

2447
02:04:19,440 --> 02:04:22,880
Why is it so high for 27 years? It

2448
02:04:22,880 --> 02:04:26,320
hasn't been high. Why now? I came from a

2449
02:04:26,320 --> 02:04:29,520
plumbing family. I my I was a plumber's

2450
02:04:29,520 --> 02:04:32,320
daughter, a commercial plumber. Big big

2451
02:04:32,320 --> 02:04:35,119
business here in town or in Witchah. I

2452
02:04:35,119 --> 02:04:37,599
was married. My my late husband was a

2453
02:04:37,599 --> 02:04:40,800
plumber in big like Wesley and some of

2454
02:04:40,800 --> 02:04:42,960
the big hospitals. So, I'm not stupid

2455
02:04:42,960 --> 02:04:45,840
when it comes to water meters and water

2456
02:04:45,840 --> 02:04:48,400
situations. My engineer husband is not

2457
02:04:48,400 --> 02:04:51,440
stupid to things now either. He is the

2458
02:04:51,440 --> 02:04:54,800
sigman southpaw on south on social media

2459
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:57,119
in case you want to know.

2460
02:04:57,119 --> 02:05:00,880
Um, but in like I said when in talking

2461
02:05:00,880 --> 02:05:03,280
to our staff who was very they were very

2462
02:05:03,280 --> 02:05:04,880
gracious,

2463
02:05:04,880 --> 02:05:08,320
all I was received was this.

2464
02:05:08,320 --> 02:05:11,040
That's it. I wasn't offered a copy of my

2465
02:05:11,040 --> 02:05:12,719
bill. I wasn't offered any of that

2466
02:05:12,719 --> 02:05:16,639
stuff. I was just given this.

2467
02:05:16,639 --> 02:05:20,000
And so went home, told my husband, I

2468
02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:21,760
said, "Let's check the toilets again.

2469
02:05:21,760 --> 02:05:23,199
Let's check the water." He goes, "I'm

2470
02:05:23,199 --> 02:05:25,040
telling you, I don't think that's what

2471
02:05:25,040 --> 02:05:27,440
it is.

2472
02:05:27,440 --> 02:05:30,719
I want to know the why. Why is our water

2473
02:05:30,719 --> 02:05:33,679
bill so high?"

2474
02:05:33,679 --> 02:05:36,000
So,

2475
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:38,239
I sat down

2476
02:05:38,239 --> 02:05:41,920
and I wrote an email. Every one of you

2477
02:05:41,920 --> 02:05:43,840
council people, I sent one to you,

2478
02:05:43,840 --> 02:05:46,880
mayor. Yes. I sent one you

2479
02:05:46,880 --> 02:05:49,119
>> and I said, you know, I want to know

2480
02:05:49,119 --> 02:05:54,719
why. Within two hours, Teresa sent me an

2481
02:05:54,719 --> 02:05:56,960
email back.

2482
02:05:56,960 --> 02:05:58,960
And it was real interesting because she

2483
02:05:58,960 --> 02:06:01,040
not only sent me an email, you called

2484
02:06:01,040 --> 02:06:03,920
me. I texted you. You called you. That's

2485
02:06:03,920 --> 02:06:04,719
right. I have

2486
02:06:04,719 --> 02:06:06,239
>> I still had her number from being on

2487
02:06:06,239 --> 02:06:07,360
fair committee together.

2488
02:06:07,360 --> 02:06:10,480
>> We connected. We did. We connected. And

2489
02:06:10,480 --> 02:06:12,800
Teresa began to go down a process of

2490
02:06:12,800 --> 02:06:14,639
different questions. Were you given

2491
02:06:14,639 --> 02:06:16,320
this? Were you given that? I said, "No,

2492
02:06:16,320 --> 02:06:21,280
no, no. I was given this.

2493
02:06:21,280 --> 02:06:23,840
Save water. Don't waste it." Whatever it

2494
02:06:23,840 --> 02:06:30,550
is. All right. So,

2495
02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:34,960
I got a response from our mayor and I I

2496
02:06:34,960 --> 02:06:38,159
saw the care. Paul sent me a message.

2497
02:06:38,159 --> 02:06:40,800
Paul and Todd, you guys would send us me

2498
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:42,800
a message back, but you were like four

2499
02:06:42,800 --> 02:06:44,239
minutes apart. I thought, "Oh, I wonder

2500
02:06:44,239 --> 02:06:47,920
if they're discussing it." Paul was so

2501
02:06:47,920 --> 02:06:51,840
gracious. He said, "We are aware of the

2502
02:06:51,840 --> 02:06:53,760
situation." I'm trying to find my notes

2503
02:06:53,760 --> 02:06:56,719
here. We're aware of the situation. Uh

2504
02:06:56,719 --> 02:06:58,800
there is a and quote, "There has been an

2505
02:06:58,800 --> 02:07:01,679
investigation launched. I was told that

2506
02:07:01,679 --> 02:07:04,320
in the email. I was told that it would

2507
02:07:04,320 --> 02:07:06,719
be discussed tonight and that there was

2508
02:07:06,719 --> 02:07:08,719
concern about it and we would be taking

2509
02:07:08,719 --> 02:07:12,239
care of things to find out the why." So,

2510
02:07:12,239 --> 02:07:15,119
I felt satisfied. I'd heard from Teresa

2511
02:07:15,119 --> 02:07:18,480
asking questions. I'd heard from Paul. I

2512
02:07:18,480 --> 02:07:21,360
got your email, Todd. You were gracious

2513
02:07:21,360 --> 02:07:23,440
enough to email me back. Thank you for

2514
02:07:23,440 --> 02:07:26,480
that. Here's the thing. You said you

2515
02:07:26,480 --> 02:07:28,239
talk start talking about rates. We don't

2516
02:07:28,239 --> 02:07:30,079
care. We don't care about the rates. We

2517
02:07:30,079 --> 02:07:32,159
don't care if there's a 3%. We care

2518
02:07:32,159 --> 02:07:34,560
about our water usage. That wasn't

2519
02:07:34,560 --> 02:07:36,159
necessarily addressed, I don't think, in

2520
02:07:36,159 --> 02:07:38,320
the email. Then he went on to talk about

2521
02:07:38,320 --> 02:07:41,199
how wonderful our

2522
02:07:41,199 --> 02:07:44,000
people are at here at city hall and they

2523
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:47,119
are wonderful, but they didn't help me.

2524
02:07:47,119 --> 02:07:49,599
All right. And so we felt really

2525
02:07:49,599 --> 02:07:51,440
frustrated, especially after being here

2526
02:07:51,440 --> 02:07:54,480
for 27 years.

2527
02:07:54,480 --> 02:07:56,960
So

2528
02:07:56,960 --> 02:08:00,400
after I had all of that had happened,

2529
02:08:00,400 --> 02:08:01,920
um

2530
02:08:01,920 --> 02:08:03,599
I'm trying to find my notes. I'm so

2531
02:08:03,599 --> 02:08:06,159
sorry.

2532
02:08:06,159 --> 02:08:08,239
Okay.

2533
02:08:08,239 --> 02:08:10,159
And I do resp I do appreciate all the

2534
02:08:10,159 --> 02:08:12,800
responses. I everyone that responded, I

2535
02:08:12,800 --> 02:08:15,760
do appreciate it. But since Monday, I

2536
02:08:15,760 --> 02:08:17,599
kept hearing over and over and over if

2537
02:08:17,599 --> 02:08:19,520
you if you go through any neighborhood,

2538
02:08:19,520 --> 02:08:21,840
you can see clusters of legal groups of

2539
02:08:21,840 --> 02:08:23,760
people of residents saying, "What's

2540
02:08:23,760 --> 02:08:25,440
happening? Why is my water bill?" I

2541
02:08:25,440 --> 02:08:27,440
don't care if it's 28. There's more than

2542
02:08:27,440 --> 02:08:28,960
that. There's got to be more than that

2543
02:08:28,960 --> 02:08:31,679
or that haven't called you. There are

2544
02:08:31,679 --> 02:08:33,599
more. I'm telling you, there are more

2545
02:08:33,599 --> 02:08:35,440
people that are having issues because

2546
02:08:35,440 --> 02:08:38,320
we're hearing it.

2547
02:08:38,320 --> 02:08:40,400
Why the increase in the consumption or

2548
02:08:40,400 --> 02:08:42,480
usage? That's our question. That's my

2549
02:08:42,480 --> 02:08:45,440
husband's my question. Why? What has

2550
02:08:45,440 --> 02:08:47,280
happened? It's more than just toilet

2551
02:08:47,280 --> 02:08:50,239
zone. Something's not right.

2552
02:08:50,239 --> 02:08:52,480
And what's interesting is that we keep

2553
02:08:52,480 --> 02:09:00,470
hearing the same pat

2554
02:09:00,480 --> 02:09:02,400
something you've done. We saw a

2555
02:09:02,400 --> 02:09:04,079
wonderful presentation and I'll go back

2556
02:09:04,079 --> 02:09:07,280
and share and take that into account.

2557
02:09:07,280 --> 02:09:09,199
And you talk about the small percentage.

2558
02:09:09,199 --> 02:09:11,040
Only 28 people. I still think there's

2559
02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:14,960
more. only 28 people, but those 28

2560
02:09:14,960 --> 02:09:18,320
people live in key time.

2561
02:09:18,320 --> 02:09:21,040
And those 28 people may be the elderly

2562
02:09:21,040 --> 02:09:23,280
person who can't afford their bill. We

2563
02:09:23,280 --> 02:09:25,599
can. We're we're blessed enough we can,

2564
02:09:25,599 --> 02:09:27,199
but they may not be able to afford their

2565
02:09:27,199 --> 02:09:29,760
bill. What if it's that single mom who's

2566
02:09:29,760 --> 02:09:31,440
struggling to even buy groceries and now

2567
02:09:31,440 --> 02:09:33,119
she's got to worry about paying for her

2568
02:09:33,119 --> 02:09:35,760
water? What about the young family who's

2569
02:09:35,760 --> 02:09:37,599
already having a hard time paying even

2570
02:09:37,599 --> 02:09:40,000
their mortgage? There are people that

2571
02:09:40,000 --> 02:09:43,599
this has caused a big deal with and a

2572
02:09:43,599 --> 02:09:47,119
big hardship in their in their family.

2573
02:09:47,119 --> 02:09:50,239
This month's usage, like I said,

2574
02:09:50,239 --> 02:09:53,599
may have affected 28 people out of the

2575
02:09:53,599 --> 02:09:55,920
what 2400,

2576
02:09:55,920 --> 02:09:59,119
but whether there's 20 28 people or

2577
02:09:59,119 --> 02:10:01,760
there's all 2400, every one of these

2578
02:10:01,760 --> 02:10:03,440
residents matter.

2579
02:10:03,440 --> 02:10:06,639
>> And it's time for somebody to care.

2580
02:10:06,639 --> 02:10:09,040
>> It really truly is. We are fortunate

2581
02:10:09,040 --> 02:10:10,800
enough to know that my husband, like I

2582
02:10:10,800 --> 02:10:13,840
said, can handle it. Not one at the city

2583
02:10:13,840 --> 02:10:16,400
hall offered me a printout. You said you

2584
02:10:16,400 --> 02:10:18,000
were available, but I didn't know that I

2585
02:10:18,000 --> 02:10:20,159
was supposed to ask for it. Nobody

2586
02:10:20,159 --> 02:10:24,159
offered me a print out. Not one. I

2587
02:10:24,159 --> 02:10:27,440
didn't know I had to ask.

2588
02:10:27,440 --> 02:10:30,639
And although you guys were kind,

2589
02:10:30,639 --> 02:10:32,639
um, you know, told me to check for water

2590
02:10:32,639 --> 02:10:34,560
leaks, gave me a wonderful little

2591
02:10:34,560 --> 02:10:39,119
six-inch ruler. And Matt,

2592
02:10:39,119 --> 02:10:41,360
you threw us under the bus yesterday

2593
02:10:41,360 --> 02:10:43,440
when you talked about it's all on the on

2594
02:10:43,440 --> 02:10:47,920
the residence. We felt so betrayed as a

2595
02:10:47,920 --> 02:10:51,199
resident. We felt very betrayed,

2596
02:10:51,199 --> 02:10:56,000
especially after 27 years in Kichi. My

2597
02:10:56,000 --> 02:10:58,400
husband couldn't believe it and that was

2598
02:10:58,400 --> 02:11:00,000
the clincher. That's why I'm speaking

2599
02:11:00,000 --> 02:11:01,520
tonight.

2600
02:11:01,520 --> 02:11:02,960
>> We're very concerned about what's

2601
02:11:02,960 --> 02:11:04,880
happening in Kichi. We're here to

2602
02:11:04,880 --> 02:11:08,239
question and discover the why we have a

2603
02:11:08,239 --> 02:11:12,719
socalled water usage increase.

2604
02:11:12,719 --> 02:11:14,480
So, council

2605
02:11:14,480 --> 02:11:18,159
staff, elected officials,

2606
02:11:18,159 --> 02:11:20,159
it's time for someone to stand up and

2607
02:11:20,159 --> 02:11:23,440
truly care and investigate. Just like

2608
02:11:23,440 --> 02:11:25,920
Paul said, there's been an investigation

2609
02:11:25,920 --> 02:11:28,079
launch. Has there or is there just some

2610
02:11:28,079 --> 02:11:29,679
kind of thing that let's pat him on the

2611
02:11:29,679 --> 02:11:32,079
back and it'll go away? This will not go

2612
02:11:32,079 --> 02:11:33,520
away.

2613
02:11:33,520 --> 02:11:36,239
It will hurt our community.

2614
02:11:36,239 --> 02:11:38,560
Something's not right.

2615
02:11:38,560 --> 02:11:42,000
And right now, we are angry.

2616
02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:44,239
We're We're angry. We don't We don't

2617
02:11:44,239 --> 02:11:46,639
want to be. We're kind people. Some of

2618
02:11:46,639 --> 02:11:48,000
these people back here can tell you that

2619
02:11:48,000 --> 02:11:50,079
we're kind people. I got neighbors that

2620
02:11:50,079 --> 02:11:52,960
came on both sides of us that we love

2621
02:11:52,960 --> 02:11:54,480
dearly

2622
02:11:54,480 --> 02:11:56,320
and we want to be good neighbors. But

2623
02:11:56,320 --> 02:11:58,639
I'm telling you, something needs to be

2624
02:11:58,639 --> 02:12:00,480
investigated here. Something needs to be

2625
02:12:00,480 --> 02:12:02,639
checked out. There's more. do this than

2626
02:12:02,639 --> 02:12:06,000
just high usage or toilets that that

2627
02:12:06,000 --> 02:12:08,159
aren't flushing right or sprinkler

2628
02:12:08,159 --> 02:12:10,480
systems that aren't working properly.

2629
02:12:10,480 --> 02:12:12,719
And uh I could have said two more thing,

2630
02:12:12,719 --> 02:12:14,639
two more minutes, but I took all that

2631
02:12:14,639 --> 02:12:15,360
fluff out.

2632
02:12:15,360 --> 02:12:16,880
>> Thank you. Thank you. I really

2633
02:12:16,880 --> 02:12:18,079
appreciate it. I want to clarify

2634
02:12:18,079 --> 02:12:20,320
something. Um and this is something I've

2635
02:12:20,320 --> 02:12:22,320
tried to get clarified online to help

2636
02:12:22,320 --> 02:12:24,480
people see a little bit differently. Um

2637
02:12:24,480 --> 02:12:27,280
we keep saying 28 people in a community

2638
02:12:27,280 --> 02:12:31,199
of 2400. No, no, no. It's 28 meters

2639
02:12:31,199 --> 02:12:33,360
currently being discussed. That

2640
02:12:33,360 --> 02:12:35,840
represents more than 28 people. So we

2641
02:12:35,840 --> 02:12:38,400
have 28 meters out of what did you say?

2642
02:12:38,400 --> 02:12:43,280
880 meters. So that's we were comparing

2643
02:12:43,280 --> 02:12:44,800
apples to oranges. It needs to be

2644
02:12:44,800 --> 02:12:47,119
compared that this is 28 meters that are

2645
02:12:47,119 --> 02:12:50,560
known at this time compared to the 88.

2646
02:12:50,560 --> 02:12:51,920
>> One more reason why you need to find the

2647
02:12:51,920 --> 02:12:52,480
Y.

2648
02:12:52,480 --> 02:12:54,719
>> Thank you. Thank you. Council, do you

2649
02:12:54,719 --> 02:12:56,239
have anything for Pam?

2650
02:12:56,239 --> 02:12:58,480
>> No.

2651
02:12:58,480 --> 02:13:01,280
Okay. And I will just say that so in

2652
02:13:01,280 --> 02:13:05,440
that email, as Pam said, I knew that um

2653
02:13:05,440 --> 02:13:08,000
she had addressed her concerns to us and

2654
02:13:08,000 --> 02:13:10,239
I literally did send back I think it was

2655
02:13:10,239 --> 02:13:12,560
like what 10 or 15 questions. What about

2656
02:13:12,560 --> 02:13:14,239
this? What about that? What have you

2657
02:13:14,239 --> 02:13:16,639
done this? Have you done that? Because

2658
02:13:16,639 --> 02:13:19,760
as Matt said, these are all individual

2659
02:13:19,760 --> 02:13:22,560
cases and I don't know who has a

2660
02:13:22,560 --> 02:13:24,960
sprinkler, who doesn't? I don't know

2661
02:13:24,960 --> 02:13:27,599
some of that. So that's why and I and

2662
02:13:27,599 --> 02:13:29,760
because I like I said I've been on

2663
02:13:29,760 --> 02:13:31,599
committee with Pam before. I had her

2664
02:13:31,599 --> 02:13:33,520
phone number and I said these are my

2665
02:13:33,520 --> 02:13:35,360
questions. I sent them back to her and

2666
02:13:35,360 --> 02:13:37,679
said if you don't want to type out the

2667
02:13:37,679 --> 02:13:41,199
answers you got my number. So when you

2668
02:13:41,199 --> 02:13:44,400
guys reach out to us and that's how we

2669
02:13:44,400 --> 02:13:46,560
hear about it. I'm fine with you using

2670
02:13:46,560 --> 02:13:48,560
social media because sometimes that's

2671
02:13:48,560 --> 02:13:50,079
how you find out you're not alone.

2672
02:13:50,079 --> 02:13:52,639
>> Right. And and so if that's how you find

2673
02:13:52,639 --> 02:13:54,719
it out, but as Matt said, when you find

2674
02:13:54,719 --> 02:13:56,880
that out, yeah, reach out. Reach out to

2675
02:13:56,880 --> 02:14:01,360
Matt. Reach out to us. We represent you.

2676
02:14:01,360 --> 02:14:03,599
elected, every one of us up here was

2677
02:14:03,599 --> 02:14:07,360
elected by you. So, thank you for

2678
02:14:07,360 --> 02:14:11,109
reaching out,

2679
02:14:11,119 --> 02:14:14,870
» Debbie.

2680
02:14:14,880 --> 02:14:18,239
We have one here. It says it has two

2681
02:14:18,239 --> 02:14:22,870
knives. as leg.

2682
02:14:22,880 --> 02:14:25,599
» Okay. All right. Weird.

2683
02:14:25,599 --> 02:14:26,560
>> Welcome. Hi.

2684
02:14:26,560 --> 02:14:29,040
>> Hi. Hi. Uh, so a couple things. So, one,

2685
02:14:29,040 --> 02:14:30,400
>> could you just state your name and your

2686
02:14:30,400 --> 02:14:31,199
address, please?

2687
02:14:31,199 --> 02:14:33,520
>> Sam Eglehoff, 469 East Kodiak.

2688
02:14:33,520 --> 02:14:34,639
>> Sam contacted me.

2689
02:14:34,639 --> 02:14:34,960
>> Yep.

2690
02:14:34,960 --> 02:14:35,679
>> Thank you.

2691
02:14:35,679 --> 02:14:38,639
>> So, um, two things. So, one, you know, I

2692
02:14:38,639 --> 02:14:40,400
was one of the lucky people that got a

2693
02:14:40,400 --> 02:14:44,880
35,000 gallon, which was $600 in water.

2694
02:14:44,880 --> 02:14:46,480
Um,

2695
02:14:46,480 --> 02:14:48,239
and uh, so yeah, I wasn't pleased with

2696
02:14:48,239 --> 02:14:50,000
that. Uh, and then I just checked my

2697
02:14:50,000 --> 02:14:51,360
meter and it's going to be another

2698
02:14:51,360 --> 02:14:54,639
probably 400 or 500 this month that

2699
02:14:54,639 --> 02:14:55,679
because I haven't got the bill yet,

2700
02:14:55,679 --> 02:14:57,360
right? We haven't sent them out yet. So,

2701
02:14:57,360 --> 02:14:58,800
one thing there is it would be nice if

2702
02:14:58,800 --> 02:15:00,960
we could get the bill sooner. So,

2703
02:15:00,960 --> 02:15:02,159
because now we're already like three

2704
02:15:02,159 --> 02:15:04,800
weeks in to August, right? Or almost

2705
02:15:04,800 --> 02:15:06,880
four weeks into August. Uh, and I think

2706
02:15:06,880 --> 02:15:09,920
I just got it last weekend. So, uh, so

2707
02:15:09,920 --> 02:15:11,280
it'd be nice if we get a little sooner.

2708
02:15:11,280 --> 02:15:12,560
The mobile app, maybe that would help,

2709
02:15:12,560 --> 02:15:16,159
too. But I like that idea. Um, now the

2710
02:15:16,159 --> 02:15:17,440
interesting thing that is different

2711
02:15:17,440 --> 02:15:20,480
about mine, uh, so the Bob Kle part of

2712
02:15:20,480 --> 02:15:22,239
this, uh, who lives on Dakota, my

2713
02:15:22,239 --> 02:15:24,639
father-in-law, uh, I checked his because

2714
02:15:24,639 --> 02:15:27,520
he's been out of town, uh, for since

2715
02:15:27,520 --> 02:15:30,320
June 2nd. Uh, and so I looked at I had

2716
02:15:30,320 --> 02:15:32,800
him send me his bills, uh, and he's kind

2717
02:15:32,800 --> 02:15:35,760
of backwards. So he has and so so no

2718
02:15:35,760 --> 02:15:37,679
one's messed with his, no one's been

2719
02:15:37,679 --> 02:15:39,760
running toilets, no one's been flushing,

2720
02:15:39,760 --> 02:15:41,199
you know, no one's been using any water,

2721
02:15:41,199 --> 02:15:43,679
just sprinkler system, basically. Uh and

2722
02:15:43,679 --> 02:15:46,880
so his is interesting because uh so so

2723
02:15:46,880 --> 02:15:51,119
May 30th to June 30th he used 10 units

2724
02:15:51,119 --> 02:15:53,679
which seems really low for uh like I

2725
02:15:53,679 --> 02:15:55,199
think he's got like nine zones. It's a

2726
02:15:55,199 --> 02:15:58,159
big big yard. Uh and that's got 10 zone

2727
02:15:58,159 --> 02:16:01,280
or Yeah. So they use 10 units for that.

2728
02:16:01,280 --> 02:16:05,119
Then June 30th to July 31st of the month

2729
02:16:05,119 --> 02:16:07,199
we're talking about somehow he only used

2730
02:16:07,199 --> 02:16:09,520
six units which doesn't make any sense

2731
02:16:09,520 --> 02:16:15,040
to me at all like at all. So, uh, I I

2732
02:16:15,040 --> 02:16:16,800
talked to the guy here this morning. Uh,

2733
02:16:16,800 --> 02:16:18,320
I came in over the lunch hour and got

2734
02:16:18,320 --> 02:16:20,239
the chart. So, the other problem I guess

2735
02:16:20,239 --> 02:16:22,480
that you kind of alluded to, I got on

2736
02:16:22,480 --> 02:16:24,560
mine, I got the graph. I got the chart.

2737
02:16:24,560 --> 02:16:26,719
He's on an older system, I guess, so he

2738
02:16:26,719 --> 02:16:28,719
can't have a chart and so I don't know

2739
02:16:28,719 --> 02:16:31,199
what the deal is there, but uh, it would

2740
02:16:31,199 --> 02:16:32,399
be helpful to have I don't know if you

2741
02:16:32,399 --> 02:16:34,080
guys on the back end can get any more

2742
02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:36,479
detail, but something doesn't add up

2743
02:16:36,479 --> 02:16:36,800
there.

2744
02:16:36,800 --> 02:16:39,120
>> Yeah, that's when I spoke about we have

2745
02:16:39,120 --> 02:16:40,639
mixed meters. Yeah,

2746
02:16:40,639 --> 02:16:42,639
>> the manual read meters. not give the

2747
02:16:42,639 --> 02:16:46,000
fancy graph electronic,

2748
02:16:46,000 --> 02:16:48,479
>> you know, as we transition over. That is

2749
02:16:48,479 --> 02:16:51,040
our goal is to get everybody

2750
02:16:51,040 --> 02:16:52,559
>> Yep. For sure.

2751
02:16:52,559 --> 02:16:55,040
>> Yep. Yep. For sure. So, I I don't know.

2752
02:16:55,040 --> 02:16:56,319
That just doesn't make sense to me. I'm

2753
02:16:56,319 --> 02:16:58,639
not sure how that would work, but uh I

2754
02:16:58,639 --> 02:17:01,120
guess we'll figure it out eventually. Um

2755
02:17:01,120 --> 02:17:02,399
the other thing I thought that was

2756
02:17:02,399 --> 02:17:03,519
interesting that I haven't heard

2757
02:17:03,519 --> 02:17:05,439
referenced today is when I came up

2758
02:17:05,439 --> 02:17:07,599
today, the guy at the front said that

2759
02:17:07,599 --> 02:17:09,359
every meter was manually read last

2760
02:17:09,359 --> 02:17:13,120
month. uh and that um there was a

2761
02:17:13,120 --> 02:17:15,200
computer system issue and that's why

2762
02:17:15,200 --> 02:17:18,639
they manually read everything. So I

2763
02:17:18,639 --> 02:17:19,679
don't know. I'm just saying like a

2764
02:17:19,679 --> 02:17:22,719
confluence of things altogether

2765
02:17:22,719 --> 02:17:24,800
doesn't really it doesn't inspire a lot

2766
02:17:24,800 --> 02:17:28,399
of confidence, right? So um so yeah. So

2767
02:17:28,399 --> 02:17:31,439
I'm just saying like I think you know I

2768
02:17:31,439 --> 02:17:33,040
would continue to dive into it. I I

2769
02:17:33,040 --> 02:17:34,240
think based on all the feedback, it

2770
02:17:34,240 --> 02:17:35,679
sounds like we're we're hopefully going

2771
02:17:35,679 --> 02:17:38,559
to. Uh I think the the flow rate, you

2772
02:17:38,559 --> 02:17:40,800
know, is an interesting idea. Uh doesn't

2773
02:17:40,800 --> 02:17:43,040
solve my father-in-law's issue, but hey,

2774
02:17:43,040 --> 02:17:44,319
if you know, if no one changed their

2775
02:17:44,319 --> 02:17:46,000
stuff and now it's way more than, you

2776
02:17:46,000 --> 02:17:47,200
know, the previous months or a year,

2777
02:17:47,200 --> 02:17:48,719
maybe you do have you're flowing more

2778
02:17:48,719 --> 02:17:50,960
through their uh if you didn't change

2779
02:17:50,960 --> 02:17:53,120
your your your sprinkler systems and

2780
02:17:53,120 --> 02:17:56,479
stuff. But um yeah, anyway, I think uh

2781
02:17:56,479 --> 02:17:59,200
just, you know, I appreciate the time to

2782
02:17:59,200 --> 02:18:00,479
speak and everything, but just, you

2783
02:18:00,479 --> 02:18:04,319
know, continue digging into it, please.

2784
02:18:04,319 --> 02:18:05,439
>> Thank you.

2785
02:18:05,439 --> 02:18:07,920
>> Anyone have any comments or anything

2786
02:18:07,920 --> 02:18:08,719
with Sam?

2787
02:18:08,719 --> 02:18:11,760
>> I have a question for Matt. Uh so on

2788
02:18:11,760 --> 02:18:13,280
those older meters, can we still see

2789
02:18:13,280 --> 02:18:15,519
like a breakdown like you how you showed

2790
02:18:15,519 --> 02:18:16,080
the

2791
02:18:16,080 --> 02:18:20,479
>> No, you can't see any like additional

2792
02:18:20,479 --> 02:18:25,990
>> manual on those meters. Public

2793
02:18:26,000 --> 02:18:34,230
Okay.

2794
02:18:34,240 --> 02:18:36,240
» Month over month compared to last year.

2795
02:18:36,240 --> 02:18:38,080
>> Yeah. For last year. Okay.

2796
02:18:38,080 --> 02:18:42,559
once a year just like this time.

2797
02:18:42,559 --> 02:18:52,790
We had

2798
02:18:52,800 --> 02:19:00,150
physically touchs

2799
02:19:00,160 --> 02:19:04,629
it.

2800
02:19:04,639 --> 02:19:11,509
Does not change

2801
02:19:11,519 --> 02:19:21,589
electronic.

2802
02:19:21,599 --> 02:19:24,240
» And Matt, just for everybody, Thomas

2803
02:19:24,240 --> 02:19:26,960
said they start reading meters on the

2804
02:19:26,960 --> 02:19:30,160
first and it takes them a few days. So

2805
02:19:30,160 --> 02:19:32,639
somewhere between the first and 5th, all

2806
02:19:32,639 --> 02:19:34,559
of the meter, all of the manual meters

2807
02:19:34,559 --> 02:19:37,280
should be read. We can't do it.

2808
02:19:37,280 --> 02:19:39,599
>> All right. And as somebody who did your

2809
02:19:39,599 --> 02:19:42,800
utility billing for about 10 years, um I

2810
02:19:42,800 --> 02:19:46,319
can speak to why we have the system in

2811
02:19:46,319 --> 02:19:48,880
place and why it takes that long. as we

2812
02:19:48,880 --> 02:19:51,280
alluded, even when we don't have the

2813
02:19:51,280 --> 02:19:55,120
manual reads, um, because there's been

2814
02:19:55,120 --> 02:19:56,880
there's usually always some manual

2815
02:19:56,880 --> 02:19:59,280
reads, even if even if when we did have

2816
02:19:59,280 --> 02:20:00,960
all of them on it, we had a different

2817
02:20:00,960 --> 02:20:03,040
reading system at one point and we

2818
02:20:03,040 --> 02:20:05,520
switched to Zenner

2819
02:20:05,520 --> 02:20:07,359
to make sure that those are entered.

2820
02:20:07,359 --> 02:20:09,040
After they get entered, then there's

2821
02:20:09,040 --> 02:20:10,960
followup to make sure that if there is

2822
02:20:10,960 --> 02:20:13,600
any reads that aren't correct, that seem

2823
02:20:13,600 --> 02:20:15,120
a little off that we would take that

2824
02:20:15,120 --> 02:20:18,720
time. And then um your bills are due on

2825
02:20:18,720 --> 02:20:20,880
the 10th of the month. So that kind of

2826
02:20:20,880 --> 02:20:23,280
puts that person in utility billing kind

2827
02:20:23,280 --> 02:20:25,280
of in that position to be working on the

2828
02:20:25,280 --> 02:20:26,880
bills that are coming in instead of the

2829
02:20:26,880 --> 02:20:29,520
bills that are going out. And so that

2830
02:20:29,520 --> 02:20:31,040
takes a couple days and then late

2831
02:20:31,040 --> 02:20:33,600
notices. And then after that process

2832
02:20:33,600 --> 02:20:35,040
because we want to make sure that before

2833
02:20:35,040 --> 02:20:37,280
we send out the next bill that you have

2834
02:20:37,280 --> 02:20:39,040
the current bill paid for because if

2835
02:20:39,040 --> 02:20:41,040
we're not having that information on

2836
02:20:41,040 --> 02:20:43,280
there then um you're like wait a minute

2837
02:20:43,280 --> 02:20:45,120
no did I pay this? Did I not? and that

2838
02:20:45,120 --> 02:20:48,560
causes confusion itself. So that's why

2839
02:20:48,560 --> 02:20:51,840
there is a lag between when we um send

2840
02:20:51,840 --> 02:20:55,920
it and I know that like I said I heard

2841
02:20:55,920 --> 02:20:57,760
those calls for a long time and I was

2842
02:20:57,760 --> 02:20:59,680
the one up behind the phone explaining

2843
02:20:59,680 --> 02:21:02,080
those and talking them through. So, I do

2844
02:21:02,080 --> 02:21:03,600
get the frustration with when you're

2845
02:21:03,600 --> 02:21:05,600
like, "Wait a minute. If id had known,"

2846
02:21:05,600 --> 02:21:07,280
and I will say that there was a lot of

2847
02:21:07,280 --> 02:21:09,840
times where if we could, depending on

2848
02:21:09,840 --> 02:21:11,040
how things were going, we would say,

2849
02:21:11,040 --> 02:21:15,040
"Hey, um, this was abnormally large.

2850
02:21:15,040 --> 02:21:16,880
Sometimes we don't notice it because

2851
02:21:16,880 --> 02:21:21,359
it's not um if it it depends on the the

2852
02:21:21,359 --> 02:21:23,600
percentage of increase."

2853
02:21:23,600 --> 02:21:26,000
So, I do know that that's why the time

2854
02:21:26,000 --> 02:21:28,720
limit or the times are what they are on

2855
02:21:28,720 --> 02:21:31,200
sending out those bills. And that way we

2856
02:21:31,200 --> 02:21:33,040
also had them sent out at the end of the

2857
02:21:33,040 --> 02:21:34,640
month like that. So people who get paid

2858
02:21:34,640 --> 02:21:36,080
at the end of the month or within the

2859
02:21:36,080 --> 02:21:37,840
first week of the month still had the

2860
02:21:37,840 --> 02:21:39,920
option to be able to pay it in that time

2861
02:21:39,920 --> 02:21:42,479
period to kind of make it easier on our

2862
02:21:42,479 --> 02:21:46,950
budgeting process.

2863
02:21:46,960 --> 02:21:48,800
Debbie.

2864
02:21:48,800 --> 02:21:50,640
>> Yes.

2865
02:21:50,640 --> 02:21:52,880
>> Dennis,

2866
02:21:52,880 --> 02:22:00,309
welcome.

2867
02:22:00,319 --> 02:22:04,000
» Name's Dennis Bell, 408 Comanche Circle.

2868
02:22:04,000 --> 02:22:07,600
Been in Kichi for over 25 years. Never

2869
02:22:07,600 --> 02:22:13,670
met Pam. It's nice to meet you today.

2870
02:22:13,680 --> 02:22:16,640
My concern is is not the rates. I

2871
02:22:16,640 --> 02:22:19,439
understand the rates. Understand all the

2872
02:22:19,439 --> 02:22:21,760
w water treatments in Witchah.

2873
02:22:21,760 --> 02:22:24,240
Understand all that. And I'm perfectly

2874
02:22:24,240 --> 02:22:26,240
fine with that.

2875
02:22:26,240 --> 02:22:28,800
It's all to make everything better. I'm

2876
02:22:28,800 --> 02:22:30,560
a conservative.

2877
02:22:30,560 --> 02:22:34,080
I have a water barrel.

2878
02:22:34,080 --> 02:22:37,520
I have a $4,000 whale.

2879
02:22:37,520 --> 02:22:40,399
I do water my lawn.

2880
02:22:40,399 --> 02:22:42,640
We water our beautiful flowers. My wife

2881
02:22:42,640 --> 02:22:46,080
takes care of them. There are two of us,

2882
02:22:46,080 --> 02:22:51,439
me and her. And I just recently retired,

2883
02:22:51,439 --> 02:22:52,960
but I'm still working because I don't

2884
02:22:52,960 --> 02:22:56,240
know how to quit.

2885
02:22:56,240 --> 02:22:58,960
So, we have had our bill. We looked at

2886
02:22:58,960 --> 02:23:01,359
our bills all for all year year long

2887
02:23:01,359 --> 02:23:04,720
from January to now.

2888
02:23:04,720 --> 02:23:06,319
Actually, we looked at our bill for the

2889
02:23:06,319 --> 02:23:08,800
last 25 years and everything's been

2890
02:23:08,800 --> 02:23:11,120
perfect.

2891
02:23:11,120 --> 02:23:13,680
But somehow this July something went

2892
02:23:13,680 --> 02:23:15,920
whack.

2893
02:23:15,920 --> 02:23:21,680
We now have used 30,000 gallons of water

2894
02:23:21,680 --> 02:23:23,840
that we've never used. I don't have a

2895
02:23:23,840 --> 02:23:27,200
swimming pool. I don't use my sprinkler.

2896
02:23:27,200 --> 02:23:30,399
I use my well. We use our well to water

2897
02:23:30,399 --> 02:23:32,240
our flowers.

2898
02:23:32,240 --> 02:23:36,000
All of that. I even had three neighbors,

2899
02:23:36,000 --> 02:23:38,240
God bless neighbors,

2900
02:23:38,240 --> 02:23:40,800
came and were looking at my meter as

2901
02:23:40,800 --> 02:23:43,840
well. And I was running in shutting off

2902
02:23:43,840 --> 02:23:45,359
toilets,

2903
02:23:45,359 --> 02:23:49,120
faucets, water to the house, trying to

2904
02:23:49,120 --> 02:23:51,840
figure out where could I be losing

2905
02:23:51,840 --> 02:23:55,280
30,000 gallons of water.

2906
02:23:55,280 --> 02:23:58,640
And guess what? No leaks. Every faucet I

2907
02:23:58,640 --> 02:24:00,720
replaced because I remodeled because I

2908
02:24:00,720 --> 02:24:03,040
retired.

2909
02:24:03,040 --> 02:24:07,439
Every every toilet or every uh item that

2910
02:24:07,439 --> 02:24:09,920
I have in the house, I've replaced and

2911
02:24:09,920 --> 02:24:12,319
used and checked.

2912
02:24:12,319 --> 02:24:14,319
When you lose water, you hear it where

2913
02:24:14,319 --> 02:24:17,040
you're losing water. I do not have

2914
02:24:17,040 --> 02:24:19,520
neighbors that hook up a garden hose and

2915
02:24:19,520 --> 02:24:21,760
then just start filling up their

2916
02:24:21,760 --> 02:24:24,319
swimming pool with it.

2917
02:24:24,319 --> 02:24:27,359
I do not have spongy ground. I've had

2918
02:24:27,359 --> 02:24:30,399
sprinklers go bad. And guess what? After

2919
02:24:30,399 --> 02:24:33,120
a while, this the ground gets so spongy,

2920
02:24:33,120 --> 02:24:35,920
you know you've got a leak.

2921
02:24:35,920 --> 02:24:41,840
You hear water leaking from a stool or not necessarily the faucet or a

2922
02:24:41,840 --> 02:24:44,319
garden hose or something of that nature.

2923
02:24:44,319 --> 02:24:47,120
So, I am very upset. It's probably the

2924
02:24:47,120 --> 02:24:48,880
first time I've ever been this upset

2925
02:24:48,880 --> 02:24:51,280
living in Kichi.

2926
02:24:51,280 --> 02:24:54,479
and being here 25 years building my own

2927
02:24:54,479 --> 02:24:57,600
house and selecting KI to live in I

2928
02:24:57,600 --> 02:25:00,560
think it's my duty to at least voice my

2929
02:25:00,560 --> 02:25:03,439
opinion of what's going on normally I

2930
02:25:03,439 --> 02:25:05,920
don't have too many opinions about Kichi

2931
02:25:05,920 --> 02:25:09,040
other than I love the place my kids were

2932
02:25:09,040 --> 02:25:11,840
raised here and unfortunately one used

2933
02:25:11,840 --> 02:25:14,800
to be here but lives somewhere else but

2934
02:25:14,800 --> 02:25:16,720
I'm also thankful that I can pay my

2935
02:25:16,720 --> 02:25:19,600
bills I'm also thankful that my kids are

2936
02:25:19,600 --> 02:25:21,359
close.

2937
02:25:21,359 --> 02:25:24,880
So, I went to the city. I asked them

2938
02:25:24,880 --> 02:25:28,479
about my my bill, talked to the clerk,

2939
02:25:28,479 --> 02:25:30,319
very friendly.

2940
02:25:30,319 --> 02:25:32,640
He arranged a work order to have another

2941
02:25:32,640 --> 02:25:35,600
reading done on my meter.

2942
02:25:35,600 --> 02:25:38,160
And matter of fact, I was off that day.

2943
02:25:38,160 --> 02:25:42,080
So, when uh the

2944
02:25:42,080 --> 02:25:46,479
worker came out to check the meter, I

2945
02:25:46,479 --> 02:25:48,640
asked him a lot of questions. He was

2946
02:25:48,640 --> 02:25:51,120
very polite

2947
02:25:51,120 --> 02:25:54,560
and meter meter checked out.

2948
02:25:54,560 --> 02:25:56,240
Amazing.

2949
02:25:56,240 --> 02:26:00,080
I checked my meter to the bill. Then I

2950
02:26:00,080 --> 02:26:03,359
checked my meter at two two days later.

2951
02:26:03,359 --> 02:26:05,600
Everything just seems as kosher as hell.

2952
02:26:05,600 --> 02:26:07,760
I don't know what's going on here. I

2953
02:26:07,760 --> 02:26:09,760
really don't.

2954
02:26:09,760 --> 02:26:12,560
I pay bills. If I owe somebody, I pay

2955
02:26:12,560 --> 02:26:14,800
them.

2956
02:26:14,800 --> 02:26:17,280
And that's just the honest way to be.

2957
02:26:17,280 --> 02:26:19,520
But what I don't like is as somebody not

2958
02:26:19,520 --> 02:26:22,000
to check into what my problem is and I

2959
02:26:22,000 --> 02:26:23,520
pay for something I shouldn't have to

2960
02:26:23,520 --> 02:26:25,600
pay for.

2961
02:26:25,600 --> 02:26:28,640
I give to a hell of a lot of charities

2962
02:26:28,640 --> 02:26:30,800
and I think about a lot of people in in

2963
02:26:30,800 --> 02:26:33,600
turn people especially people with fixed

2964
02:26:33,600 --> 02:26:35,680
incomes.

2965
02:26:35,680 --> 02:26:38,000
How are they going to manage this? But

2966
02:26:38,000 --> 02:26:39,600
I'm fortunate enough to be blessed

2967
02:26:39,600 --> 02:26:42,240
enough to take care of it if I need to

2968
02:26:42,240 --> 02:26:44,479
because I have surplus money for

2969
02:26:44,479 --> 02:26:46,720
emergencies.

2970
02:26:46,720 --> 02:26:51,120
So, I'll go to I went to the city.

2971
02:26:51,120 --> 02:26:53,120
He came out, read the meter. He said,

2972
02:26:53,120 --> 02:26:54,479
"There's nothing I can do." He says,

2973
02:26:54,479 --> 02:26:57,200
"You need to come to this meeting or you

2974
02:26:57,200 --> 02:27:00,000
need to talk to Thomas." I went back up

2975
02:27:00,000 --> 02:27:02,240
here and talked to Thomas.

2976
02:27:02,240 --> 02:27:04,720
And the answer I got was, "You have a

2977
02:27:04,720 --> 02:27:09,280
leak." "No, I don't.

2978
02:27:09,280 --> 02:27:14,160
Do you know where my 30,000 gallons of water went?" "I have no idea," Thomas

2979
02:27:14,160 --> 02:27:15,840
said.

2980
02:27:15,840 --> 02:27:17,439
I said, ' So, what does it take to get

2981
02:27:17,439 --> 02:27:20,720
my meter replaced?

2982
02:27:20,720 --> 02:27:23,680
Well, it will cost you $250 to have your

2983
02:27:23,680 --> 02:27:26,319
meter replaced.

2984
02:27:26,319 --> 02:27:29,359
Huh? I paid for hookup when I built the

2985
02:27:29,359 --> 02:27:32,560
house. Why do I have to pay for a meter

2986
02:27:32,560 --> 02:27:35,280
if I have a suspect meter? Never once

2987
02:27:35,280 --> 02:27:38,000
was it offered that they test my meter

2988
02:27:38,000 --> 02:27:40,399
to make sure it was correct. I was told

2989
02:27:40,399 --> 02:27:42,560
it's correct

2990
02:27:42,560 --> 02:27:45,680
and that it's functioning.

2991
02:27:45,680 --> 02:27:49,680
I wasn't offered any charts,

2992
02:27:49,680 --> 02:27:51,600
any explanation,

2993
02:27:51,600 --> 02:27:54,160
or I didn't even get a ruler, by the

2994
02:27:54,160 --> 02:27:58,950
way,

2995
02:27:58,960 --> 02:28:01,600
of what could possibly happen and where

2996
02:28:01,600 --> 02:28:05,280
this water could be going.

2997
02:28:05,280 --> 02:28:07,920
I'm telling you, something's not right.

2998
02:28:07,920 --> 02:28:11,359
I'm not using that kind of water.

2999
02:28:11,359 --> 02:28:14,000
I have no pool.

3000
02:28:14,000 --> 02:28:16,479
If I have to pay for this, I I'd rather

3001
02:28:16,479 --> 02:28:20,319
fill somebody's pool up and pay for it.

3002
02:28:20,319 --> 02:28:22,560
So anyway, I I appreciate your concerns

3003
02:28:22,560 --> 02:28:25,200
of listening to me. I do want you

3004
02:28:25,200 --> 02:28:29,600
understand I love Ki, but

3005
02:28:29,600 --> 02:28:32,800
this kind of drew a straw.

3006
02:28:32,800 --> 02:28:33,520
Thank you.

3007
02:28:33,520 --> 02:28:37,200
>> Thank you.

3008
02:28:37,200 --> 02:28:39,920
Does anyone have any followup

3009
02:28:39,920 --> 02:28:42,479
for Dennis? No.

3010
02:28:42,479 --> 02:28:47,510
Okay. Okay, Debbie.

3011
02:28:47,520 --> 02:28:53,830
welcome.

3012
02:28:53,840 --> 02:28:56,800
Debbie Harp, 531 Prairie Creek Drive,

3013
02:28:56,800 --> 02:28:58,800
Kai.

3014
02:28:58,800 --> 02:29:00,960
I can second everything that's been

3015
02:29:00,960 --> 02:29:05,120
said. I brought my last three bills.

3016
02:29:05,120 --> 02:29:06,880
$250

3017
02:29:06,880 --> 02:29:09,600
for the month of May,

3018
02:29:09,600 --> 02:29:13,600
97 for the month of June,

3019
02:29:13,600 --> 02:29:15,600
216

3020
02:29:15,600 --> 02:29:19,200
for the month of July. That is a lot of

3021
02:29:19,200 --> 02:29:23,120
up and down. I did come in and talk to

3022
02:29:23,120 --> 02:29:27,040
Ben about the $250 bill. I got the same

3023
02:29:27,040 --> 02:29:28,560
thing. There's nothing wrong. There's

3024
02:29:28,560 --> 02:29:30,960
nothing going on. I said, "Can you tell

3025
02:29:30,960 --> 02:29:32,960
me my water usage?" He said, "The

3026
02:29:32,960 --> 02:29:35,040
application that we use not working

3027
02:29:35,040 --> 02:29:38,399
right now in it is working on it getting

3028
02:29:38,399 --> 02:29:41,840
it fixed and he did have my meter read

3029
02:29:41,840 --> 02:29:43,840
and he called and said that it was fine.

3030
02:29:43,840 --> 02:29:46,160
There was nothing wrong with my meter

3031
02:29:46,160 --> 02:29:50,240
but the app that they use for the graphs

3032
02:29:50,240 --> 02:29:52,640
was still not working. So that was the

3033
02:29:52,640 --> 02:29:53,840
end of that. There was no other

3034
02:29:53,840 --> 02:29:58,560
followup. Um, I was gone for a week in

3035
02:29:58,560 --> 02:30:02,399
July. So I, you know,

3036
02:30:02,399 --> 02:30:06,080
by 216, my sprinkler system is on the

3037
02:30:06,080 --> 02:30:09,520
same timer that it's always been. Waters

3038
02:30:09,520 --> 02:30:11,840
three times a week. And then I haven't

3039
02:30:11,840 --> 02:30:14,399
changed or extended this watering time.

3040
02:30:14,399 --> 02:30:17,200
I just leave it alone. In the example

3041
02:30:17,200 --> 02:30:19,359
that Matt gave us of how much a

3042
02:30:19,359 --> 02:30:21,680
sprinkler system can use, you used five

3043
02:30:21,680 --> 02:30:24,160
days. We're only allowed to water three

3044
02:30:24,160 --> 02:30:27,680
days. So that was not a fair comparison

3045
02:30:27,680 --> 02:30:30,479
because what you showed was five days of

3046
02:30:30,479 --> 02:30:32,479
watering and we're not allowed five days

3047
02:30:32,479 --> 02:30:34,240
of watering.

3048
02:30:34,240 --> 02:30:36,399
We have a restriction.

3049
02:30:36,399 --> 02:30:38,240
I've even gone to and this is pretty

3050
02:30:38,240 --> 02:30:40,080
silly, but when I'm warming up the

3051
02:30:40,080 --> 02:30:41,920
shower in the morning, I'm collecting

3052
02:30:41,920 --> 02:30:43,760
that water until it gets hot and that's

3053
02:30:43,760 --> 02:30:45,439
what I'm using to water my flowers

3054
02:30:45,439 --> 02:30:47,280
outside,

3055
02:30:47,280 --> 02:30:50,319
you know? So I don't know what else I

3056
02:30:50,319 --> 02:30:52,880
can do or what I'm that is so different

3057
02:30:52,880 --> 02:30:55,920
that's making these bills go like this.

3058
02:30:55,920 --> 02:31:00,800
I mean, that is from 250 to 97 to 216.

3059
02:31:00,800 --> 02:31:06,720
Really, nothing's changed. Um,

3060
02:31:06,720 --> 02:31:08,640
how do we know if we have an old meter

3061
02:31:08,640 --> 02:31:13,190
or a new meter?

3062
02:31:13,200 --> 02:31:16,640
» Okay. And I would encourage you to go

3063
02:31:16,640 --> 02:31:19,040
out to Facebook. I know you're saying

3064
02:31:19,040 --> 02:31:22,160
only 28 people contacted you, but I

3065
02:31:22,160 --> 02:31:23,760
think it would benefit you to look at

3066
02:31:23,760 --> 02:31:26,720
the Facebook page regarding this and you

3067
02:31:26,720 --> 02:31:29,040
would see a whole lot more than 28

3068
02:31:29,040 --> 02:31:31,280
people commenting on this.

3069
02:31:31,280 --> 02:31:33,280
>> Yeah. And I think that was my plea is

3070
02:31:33,280 --> 02:31:35,600
that we can't do anything we don't know

3071
02:31:35,600 --> 02:31:38,080
about. come talk to.

3072
02:31:38,080 --> 02:31:41,120
>> Well, I did and I was told nothing was

3073
02:31:41,120 --> 02:31:44,319
wrong and that the application that the

3074
02:31:44,319 --> 02:31:46,479
graphs come from was not working and

3075
02:31:46,479 --> 02:31:48,240
they didn't know. He actually said he

3076
02:31:48,240 --> 02:31:49,760
didn't know if it would be able to get

3077
02:31:49,760 --> 02:31:54,800
it. So, I did come and that's what

3078
02:31:54,800 --> 02:31:58,000
>> I got in response.

3079
02:31:58,000 --> 02:31:59,600
>> I'm sorry, I was a little confused. Was

3080
02:31:59,600 --> 02:32:03,359
that in May? That was for the $250

3081
02:32:03,359 --> 02:32:07,280
and then the 97 and then 216 is the one

3082
02:32:07,280 --> 02:32:08,560
I just got.

3083
02:32:08,560 --> 02:32:10,399
>> That's just for water. That's not

3084
02:32:10,399 --> 02:32:11,200
anything else.

3085
02:32:11,200 --> 02:32:13,920
>> It's the app is back working now, right?

3086
02:32:13,920 --> 02:32:16,080
Because we've seen some of that detail.

3087
02:32:16,080 --> 02:32:16,479
>> Yeah.

3088
02:32:16,479 --> 02:32:19,359
>> Or or the the detail if you have the

3089
02:32:19,359 --> 02:32:21,200
electronic meter. So, we should be able

3090
02:32:21,200 --> 02:32:22,800
to get that to you.

3091
02:32:22,800 --> 02:32:25,920
>> So, I I don't know which kind of meter I

3092
02:32:25,920 --> 02:32:28,399
have. And Ben never contacted me and

3093
02:32:28,399 --> 02:32:30,240
said, "Hey, it's back up. You can have

3094
02:32:30,240 --> 02:32:31,120
information.

3095
02:32:31,120 --> 02:32:33,359
>> What I would suggest is come back in and

3096
02:32:33,359 --> 02:32:34,399
have them.

3097
02:32:34,399 --> 02:32:37,200
>> Okay, I can do that. But I guess my

3098
02:32:37,200 --> 02:32:40,160
frustration is that it's automatically

3099
02:32:40,160 --> 02:32:45,280
being stated it's not it's the people's

3100
02:32:45,280 --> 02:32:47,200
problem. And I don't think that that's

3101
02:32:47,200 --> 02:32:50,240
fair. We can't all be the problem. We

3102
02:32:50,240 --> 02:32:53,439
can't all have problems with our meter

3103
02:32:53,439 --> 02:32:56,960
and it not be anything to do with Kai.

3104
02:32:56,960 --> 02:32:58,720
And I don't I'm not saying it's the

3105
02:32:58,720 --> 02:33:00,720
personel. I'm just saying I don't know

3106
02:33:00,720 --> 02:33:02,319
if it's the software that's reading the

3107
02:33:02,319 --> 02:33:04,399
meters, if the meters are being read

3108
02:33:04,399 --> 02:33:07,840
wrong, what the clog is, but there is

3109
02:33:07,840 --> 02:33:10,640
something because we can't all have

3110
02:33:10,640 --> 02:33:13,520
leaks.

3111
02:33:13,520 --> 02:33:16,960
>> Just to address part of that is

3112
02:33:16,960 --> 02:33:18,880
taking the same approach as Teresa and

3113
02:33:18,880 --> 02:33:21,120
what we've said. I've got some questions

3114
02:33:21,120 --> 02:33:24,160
at the end that more investigative,

3115
02:33:24,160 --> 02:33:27,439
>> right? But please note,

3116
02:33:27,439 --> 02:33:29,200
everything we're seeing, everything

3117
02:33:29,200 --> 02:33:30,800
Matt's seen, I've talked to Thomas

3118
02:33:30,800 --> 02:33:34,720
multiple times this week, we can't find

3119
02:33:34,720 --> 02:33:38,800
a a smoking gun. We we we haven't found

3120
02:33:38,800 --> 02:33:41,520
a smoking gun. We're still looking to

3121
02:33:41,520 --> 02:33:43,520
see if there's a system issue. We

3122
02:33:43,520 --> 02:33:45,280
haven't been able to find one yet.

3123
02:33:45,280 --> 02:33:46,240
>> And just like

3124
02:33:46,240 --> 02:33:48,399
>> everything go back to usage. So,

3125
02:33:48,399 --> 02:33:50,000
>> and I think that's a very good point.

3126
02:33:50,000 --> 02:33:52,080
That's what I was maybe I didn't

3127
02:33:52,080 --> 02:33:55,040
communicate it clear enough. We we can

3128
02:33:55,040 --> 02:33:57,680
only act on the information and the

3129
02:33:57,680 --> 02:34:00,720
facts we have today. Okay. What we know

3130
02:34:00,720 --> 02:34:04,640
today is that we don't have that

3131
02:34:04,640 --> 02:34:07,359
and there's no problems.

3132
02:34:07,359 --> 02:34:09,600
What we know is there's hiding. Okay.

3133
02:34:09,600 --> 02:34:11,600
We're not saying anybody's fault. We're

3134
02:34:11,600 --> 02:34:13,200
just saying that's the information we

3135
02:34:13,200 --> 02:34:15,520
have. We want to help you investigate

3136
02:34:15,520 --> 02:34:19,760
it. That's why each case is different.

3137
02:34:19,760 --> 02:34:21,120
>> Yeah. We're not

3138
02:34:21,120 --> 02:34:24,160
>> Yeah. Sometimes we can't

3139
02:34:24,160 --> 02:34:25,520
what the usage is from.

3140
02:34:25,520 --> 02:34:27,680
>> But if nothing has changed, my sprinkler

3141
02:34:27,680 --> 02:34:29,760
systems runs the same amount of times,

3142
02:34:29,760 --> 02:34:32,479
the same days of the week.

3143
02:34:32,479 --> 02:34:35,600
I'm collecting the shower water to water

3144
02:34:35,600 --> 02:34:38,800
the flowers. How come I have such an up

3145
02:34:38,800 --> 02:34:40,560
and down when nothing has

3146
02:34:40,560 --> 02:34:42,640
>> Yeah. And that's that's the frustrating

3147
02:34:42,640 --> 02:34:45,680
thing for the city. We don't know that.

3148
02:34:45,680 --> 02:34:48,000
>> Well, we we don't have the we don't have

3149
02:34:48,000 --> 02:34:51,840
the ability to know that. We don't have

3150
02:34:51,840 --> 02:34:53,600
Once that meter once that water goes

3151
02:34:53,600 --> 02:34:55,040
through our meter, we don't have the

3152
02:34:55,040 --> 02:35:01,670
ability to know what's going on.

3153
02:35:01,680 --> 02:35:03,680
» I hear what you're saying, but I'm not

3154
02:35:03,680 --> 02:35:07,040
accepting what you're saying because

3155
02:35:07,040 --> 02:35:08,800
there's got to be an issue somewhere

3156
02:35:08,800 --> 02:35:12,160
because we all have the same issue.

3157
02:35:12,160 --> 02:35:13,520
>> We understand.

3158
02:35:13,520 --> 02:35:16,880
>> I have no water running over my curb

3159
02:35:16,880 --> 02:35:19,359
that you said. I have no soggy spots in

3160
02:35:19,359 --> 02:35:20,080
my yard.

3161
02:35:20,080 --> 02:35:22,960
>> The information we have is what we have

3162
02:35:22,960 --> 02:35:26,720
to work on. That information may change

3163
02:35:26,720 --> 02:35:29,600
and then we will work on that.

3164
02:35:29,600 --> 02:35:39,429
What we're saying today is this is

3165
02:35:39,439 --> 02:35:40,640
» well I I

3166
02:35:40,640 --> 02:35:43,040
>> but we will yeah we are going to do our

3167
02:35:43,040 --> 02:35:48,150
best as a city

3168
02:35:48,160 --> 02:35:50,000
» I mean I don't know what else to say but

3169
02:35:50,000 --> 02:35:52,560
there is something going on. Yeah, I

3170
02:35:52,560 --> 02:35:54,399
think part of the issue either I think

3171
02:35:54,399 --> 02:35:55,840
part of the issue too that has now

3172
02:35:55,840 --> 02:35:58,080
arisen that I am hearing from people

3173
02:35:58,080 --> 02:35:59,920
>> is the fact that on a news story last

3174
02:35:59,920 --> 02:36:02,160
night you said the people use the water

3175
02:36:02,160 --> 02:36:04,960
and they need to pay for it.

3176
02:36:04,960 --> 02:36:07,680
>> That's the problem because you it's

3177
02:36:07,680 --> 02:36:09,680
basically saying it's not the city's

3178
02:36:09,680 --> 02:36:16,000
problem, it's the people's problem and that's I'm listening to them. I

3179
02:36:16,000 --> 02:36:17,840
mean, I've been accused of not standing

3180
02:36:17,840 --> 02:36:21,280
up enough for residents, and it's like,

3181
02:36:21,280 --> 02:36:23,120
no, I'm taking all the information in

3182
02:36:23,120 --> 02:36:25,280
right now. I am trying to listen. I'm

3183
02:36:25,280 --> 02:36:27,520
listening to the city. I'm listening to

3184
02:36:27,520 --> 02:36:29,280
people who contact me. I'm listening to

3185
02:36:29,280 --> 02:36:31,600
the conversations.

3186
02:36:31,600 --> 02:36:34,479
And I don't have answers. And the more I

3187
02:36:34,479 --> 02:36:37,520
listen, the more questions I have

3188
02:36:37,520 --> 02:36:39,280
because one of the things is that you've

3189
02:36:39,280 --> 02:36:42,160
already stated is in a normal month,

3190
02:36:42,160 --> 02:36:44,560
five bills.

3191
02:36:44,560 --> 02:36:48,640
That's your normal in month is five bill

3192
02:36:48,640 --> 02:36:53,520
issues. You now have a minimum of 28

3193
02:36:53,520 --> 02:36:56,399
that you are aware of. And there's more

3194
02:36:56,399 --> 02:36:59,200
that people I've had people tell me they

3195
02:36:59,200 --> 02:37:02,240
don't care. Why should I tell them? So,

3196
02:37:02,240 --> 02:37:04,240
and I'm like, "No, no, no. I really need

3197
02:37:04,240 --> 02:37:06,080
you to go to city hall. I need you to

3198
02:37:06,080 --> 02:37:09,200
log this in with the city." But that's

3199
02:37:09,200 --> 02:37:13,600
part of it, too. So, um, it it was

3200
02:37:13,600 --> 02:37:15,680
really difficult. I I I didn't even know

3201
02:37:15,680 --> 02:37:17,120
there was a news story. I couldn't

3202
02:37:17,120 --> 02:37:19,760
defend it last night. And I said, it's

3203
02:37:19,760 --> 02:37:22,720
not my words. I don't know what to say.

3204
02:37:22,720 --> 02:37:25,760
He said what he said. That's and all we

3205
02:37:25,760 --> 02:37:27,439
can do is talk about it.

3206
02:37:27,439 --> 02:37:30,720
>> And everybody that's here, if that's the

3207
02:37:30,720 --> 02:37:32,640
way it came across, I apologize. It's

3208
02:37:32,640 --> 02:37:35,280
not what And I think you can see that by

3209
02:37:35,280 --> 02:37:38,800
the help that we will tonight.

3210
02:37:38,800 --> 02:37:40,880
>> Yeah. There's there's no

3211
02:37:40,880 --> 02:37:43,040
What we are offering to help people work

3212
02:37:43,040 --> 02:37:49,510
through this.

3213
02:37:49,520 --> 02:37:51,120
» I will make an exception. This is a big

3214
02:37:51,120 --> 02:37:54,240
issue. I want people to be heard.

3215
02:37:54,240 --> 02:37:58,160
>> Jonathan Olson, 231 East Kodiak Court.

3216
02:37:58,160 --> 02:38:00,399
before coming to the city, you may want

3217
02:38:00,399 --> 02:38:03,439
to wait till your August bill because I

3218
02:38:03,439 --> 02:38:06,800
think mine may be 20% less

3219
02:38:06,800 --> 02:38:09,040
and I think that would give you better

3220
02:38:09,040 --> 02:38:10,880
context

3221
02:38:10,880 --> 02:38:13,600
of yeah, we may have used the water but

3222
02:38:13,600 --> 02:38:15,920
it wasn't our fault.

3223
02:38:15,920 --> 02:38:18,240
So that may be a

3224
02:38:18,240 --> 02:38:20,319
>> I have heard from a number of residents

3225
02:38:20,319 --> 02:38:22,000
that are saying that when they had their

3226
02:38:22,000 --> 02:38:25,439
meter reread by the city to see if it

3227
02:38:25,439 --> 02:38:28,080
was leaking that they've been told that

3228
02:38:28,080 --> 02:38:30,560
their number is significantly lower than

3229
02:38:30,560 --> 02:38:32,800
what their July bill number was and that

3230
02:38:32,800 --> 02:38:35,439
there was still like six days left. So

3231
02:38:35,439 --> 02:38:38,560
that is creating even more questions

3232
02:38:38,560 --> 02:38:41,280
like, "Okay, but if I never cuz you

3233
02:38:41,280 --> 02:38:43,120
didn't get your bill to know you needed

3234
02:38:43,120 --> 02:38:45,359
to change your watering patterns or that

3235
02:38:45,359 --> 02:38:47,680
you might have a leak or whatever it

3236
02:38:47,680 --> 02:38:49,359
could be or someone left the hose."

3237
02:38:49,359 --> 02:38:51,840
Nobody knew that

3238
02:38:51,840 --> 02:38:56,399
going into their August watering and the

3239
02:38:56,399 --> 02:38:58,640
numbers are significantly lower and most

3240
02:38:58,640 --> 02:39:00,560
of them I'm hearing are very close to

3241
02:39:00,560 --> 02:39:02,880
what their numbers had been the month

3242
02:39:02,880 --> 02:39:06,000
before. It's an anomaly. But I I heard

3243
02:39:06,000 --> 02:39:08,240
you say like we usually only have five

3244
02:39:08,240 --> 02:39:11,600
bills a month. We have a minimum of 28

3245
02:39:11,600 --> 02:39:13,280
at this point that have been reported.

3246
02:39:13,280 --> 02:39:15,760
So for me that creates a massive red

3247
02:39:15,760 --> 02:39:21,840
flag that something is very much off and

3248
02:39:21,840 --> 02:39:24,800
we don't have any answers at this point.

3249
02:39:24,800 --> 02:39:27,520
So um if if council doesn't have

3250
02:39:27,520 --> 02:39:28,720
anything else yet, I'm going to go back

3251
02:39:28,720 --> 02:39:32,640
to Debbie and ask for the next person.

3252
02:39:32,640 --> 02:39:35,359
That's it. Okay. I'm going to actually

3253
02:39:35,359 --> 02:39:36,800
because some people might not have

3254
02:39:36,800 --> 02:39:40,000
signed up. Is there anyone else that is

3255
02:39:40,000 --> 02:39:41,359
attending tonight that would like to

3256
02:39:41,359 --> 02:39:44,000
speak? Okay, go ahead. Yep. Come go

3257
02:39:44,000 --> 02:39:46,240
ahead. Come up and just state your name

3258
02:39:46,240 --> 02:39:48,720
and your address, please. And then if

3259
02:39:48,720 --> 02:39:50,240
you would after the meeting fill out a

3260
02:39:50,240 --> 02:39:53,439
form for Debbie to have for record.

3261
02:39:53,439 --> 02:40:05,910
Thank you.

3262
02:40:05,920 --> 02:40:08,880
Uh, my name is Joe Thompson and I'm the

3263
02:40:08,880 --> 02:40:10,720
only one here that does not live in

3264
02:40:10,720 --> 02:40:13,359
Kichi, but we own several properties

3265
02:40:13,359 --> 02:40:15,600
right over here. Is it Rock Point or

3266
02:40:15,600 --> 02:40:16,800
Rock Spring? I never

3267
02:40:16,800 --> 02:40:17,600
>> Rock Point.

3268
02:40:17,600 --> 02:40:20,000
And I want to talk about one

3269
02:40:20,000 --> 02:40:21,840
in particular because it's only three

3270
02:40:21,840 --> 02:40:24,640
years old. We bought it new in uh the

3271
02:40:24,640 --> 02:40:27,120
summer of 2023.

3272
02:40:27,120 --> 02:40:29,920
And I happen to have information uh

3273
02:40:29,920 --> 02:40:32,399
about two different points in time. But

3274
02:40:32,399 --> 02:40:35,520
before that goes in, we were talking I

3275
02:40:35,520 --> 02:40:37,680
think you and I about the tier system.

3276
02:40:37,680 --> 02:40:42,080
No, that was that was Thomas. Uh and I

3277
02:40:42,080 --> 02:40:44,720
need to talk to him about that.

3278
02:40:44,720 --> 02:40:46,640
Anyway, I was thinking it was you. I

3279
02:40:46,640 --> 02:40:47,520
don't remember.

3280
02:40:47,520 --> 02:40:54,000
>> Yeah. Um I want to talk about 2332

3281
02:40:54,000 --> 02:40:57,120
East Cheyenne Court.

3282
02:40:57,120 --> 02:41:00,399
right over here about two miles. And I

3283
02:41:00,399 --> 02:41:03,280
want to look at

3284
02:41:03,280 --> 02:41:05,040
the

3285
02:41:05,040 --> 02:41:12,720
July 2025 data and the July 2026 data.

3286
02:41:12,720 --> 02:41:16,720
Okay, that I'm doing this kind of slow.

3287
02:41:16,720 --> 02:41:20,960
The usage for the 2025 data was nine

3288
02:41:20,960 --> 02:41:24,319
9,000 gallons as I understand it. And

3289
02:41:24,319 --> 02:41:26,880
the total for the water just the water

3290
02:41:26,880 --> 02:41:30,469
was $116.15.

3291
02:41:30,479 --> 02:41:32,319
That's reasonable because you know some

3292
02:41:32,319 --> 02:41:35,920
of that water went into the uh into the

3293
02:41:35,920 --> 02:41:39,920
uh h house and so forth. Now then now I

3294
02:41:39,920 --> 02:41:42,399
want to talk about uh the one a year

3295
02:41:42,399 --> 02:41:45,600
later now. Also that house has been

3296
02:41:45,600 --> 02:41:47,760
vacant for a year. We haven't been

3297
02:41:47,760 --> 02:41:49,600
aggressive enough to get it ready to go.

3298
02:41:49,600 --> 02:41:53,120
We're real picky. I mean if my wife does

3299
02:41:53,120 --> 02:41:56,000
this and if she finds anything I I had

3300
02:41:56,000 --> 02:41:58,319
to stay outside.

3301
02:41:58,319 --> 02:42:02,399
All right. He's mean. Small but mean.

3302
02:42:02,399 --> 02:42:04,640
All right.

3303
02:42:04,640 --> 02:42:06,399
The uh

3304
02:42:06,399 --> 02:42:07,520
>> What's the matter? I'm trying to be

3305
02:42:07,520 --> 02:42:08,720
straight.

3306
02:42:08,720 --> 02:42:09,760
>> We can see her face.

3307
02:42:09,760 --> 02:42:13,760
>> Okay. The you the usage for July of this

3308
02:42:13,760 --> 02:42:18,160
year and nobody's living in there, okay,

3309
02:42:18,160 --> 02:42:21,600
is 15, not nine.

3310
02:42:21,600 --> 02:42:23,520
Now, let me also tell you, I'm the guy

3311
02:42:23,520 --> 02:42:27,920
that controls the sprinklers and I it is

3312
02:42:27,920 --> 02:42:30,160
year round. You know, once March gets

3313
02:42:30,160 --> 02:42:32,560
here, it starts up and then in October

3314
02:42:32,560 --> 02:42:35,760
or whenever we shut it down. But it is

3315
02:42:35,760 --> 02:42:39,920
the same pattern every time. There's uh

3316
02:42:39,920 --> 02:42:43,040
there's three circuits on it. The first

3317
02:42:43,040 --> 02:42:44,960
on both sides, okay, because it's a

3318
02:42:44,960 --> 02:42:48,479
duplex. And the first circuit runs for 8

3319
02:42:48,479 --> 02:42:52,960
minutes and it starts at 12:15 a.m. on

3320
02:42:52,960 --> 02:42:57,280
Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Okay. At

3321
02:42:57,280 --> 02:43:02,560
12:30 uh a.m. uh circuit 2 starts 8

3322
02:43:02,560 --> 02:43:04,319
minutes.

3323
02:43:04,319 --> 02:43:08,240
And then uh on circuit 3, it starts at

3324
02:43:08,240 --> 02:43:13,920
uh uh 12 uh 12:45 a.m. And guess what?

3325
02:43:13,920 --> 02:43:16,800
It's eight minutes on 2332 and for some

3326
02:43:16,800 --> 02:43:18,399
reason I've got it for 10 minutes on

3327
02:43:18,399 --> 02:43:19,920
2334.

3328
02:43:19,920 --> 02:43:21,439
All right, but I'm just talking about

3329
02:43:21,439 --> 02:43:24,080
2332 right now, but they're the same

3330
02:43:24,080 --> 02:43:27,429
basically

3331
02:43:27,439 --> 02:43:29,200
for

3332
02:43:29,200 --> 02:43:33,520
2026. For July 2026,

3333
02:43:33,520 --> 02:43:38,720
I had 15,000 gallons of usage.

3334
02:43:38,720 --> 02:43:41,600
That can't be right. And I have a

3335
02:43:41,600 --> 02:43:46,870
beautiful bill here for $21655.

3336
02:43:46,880 --> 02:43:51,359
That's that's almost exactly $100 more

3337
02:43:51,359 --> 02:43:54,560
than a year ago. And remember both the

3338
02:43:54,560 --> 02:43:56,240
both both times that includes the

3339
02:43:56,240 --> 02:43:58,399
domestic water that we use in the house.

3340
02:43:58,399 --> 02:44:01,040
Although for this last month and a half,

3341
02:44:01,040 --> 02:44:03,040
we haven't had a tenant. And be honest

3342
02:44:03,040 --> 02:44:03,920
with you, we haven't been very

3343
02:44:03,920 --> 02:44:05,120
aggressive about getting it because

3344
02:44:05,120 --> 02:44:07,840
we've got other things going on. So

3345
02:44:07,840 --> 02:44:10,240
there's not very much uh house water

3346
02:44:10,240 --> 02:44:13,279
being used, you know, other than, you

3347
02:44:13,279 --> 02:44:15,279
know, go to the bathroom there and

3348
02:44:15,279 --> 02:44:17,040
that's about it. Uh we don't cook

3349
02:44:17,040 --> 02:44:18,399
anything there. We don't make anything.

3350
02:44:18,399 --> 02:44:26,160
We don't run the dishwasher, uh blah blah. But and the uh and the the uh

3351
02:44:26,160 --> 02:44:28,319
landscaping, you know, the sprinkler

3352
02:44:28,319 --> 02:44:31,040
system, it ain't changed.

3353
02:44:31,040 --> 02:44:33,279
And anyway, so that's where we are. I

3354
02:44:33,279 --> 02:44:35,200
don't know what's going on, but when I

3355
02:44:35,200 --> 02:44:38,479
saw this 216 versus 116, I thought

3356
02:44:38,479 --> 02:44:39,920
that's wrong.

3357
02:44:39,920 --> 02:44:42,800
Something's crazy about this.

3358
02:44:42,800 --> 02:44:45,840
Anyway, uh for $500 a piece, I'll take

3359
02:44:45,840 --> 02:44:48,960
it and I'll be happy. So,

3360
02:44:48,960 --> 02:44:50,399
>> I have a question. I have a question for

3361
02:44:50,399 --> 02:44:50,800
you.

3362
02:44:50,800 --> 02:44:51,439
>> Yes, ma'am.

3363
02:44:51,439 --> 02:44:54,640
>> Um because I had to play with this a

3364
02:44:54,640 --> 02:44:57,680
little bit myself. We were on twice a

3365
02:44:57,680 --> 02:44:59,279
week watering last year. Is that

3366
02:44:59,279 --> 02:44:59,680
correct?

3367
02:44:59,680 --> 02:45:00,160
>> No.

3368
02:45:00,160 --> 02:45:02,160
>> Tuesdays and Thursdays last year?

3369
02:45:02,160 --> 02:45:03,840
>> I don't believe so.

3370
02:45:03,840 --> 02:45:05,359
>> Weren't we on that drought restriction

3371
02:45:05,359 --> 02:45:07,040
last year? Still two?

3372
02:45:07,040 --> 02:45:08,000
>> I thought we were.

3373
02:45:08,000 --> 02:45:09,520
>> Yeah. Yeah, I thought we were too. And

3374
02:45:09,520 --> 02:45:11,439
then this year we're allowed three days

3375
02:45:11,439 --> 02:45:13,359
a week.

3376
02:45:13,359 --> 02:45:16,080
>> So, did you change Do you know remember

3377
02:45:16,080 --> 02:45:18,000
if you changed your sprinkler?

3378
02:45:18,000 --> 02:45:20,800
>> Ma'am, my memory is about as long as my

3379
02:45:20,800 --> 02:45:21,520
little dog.

3380
02:45:21,520 --> 02:45:24,399
>> It's just Yeah, just just trying to just

3381
02:45:24,399 --> 02:45:26,240
figure things out.

3382
02:45:26,240 --> 02:45:28,240
>> I'm just trying to figure things out.

3383
02:45:28,240 --> 02:45:30,319
>> That's good. Um because I know that

3384
02:45:30,319 --> 02:45:33,680
because our our city sign was broken and

3385
02:45:33,680 --> 02:45:35,120
it was stuck telling people to water

3386
02:45:35,120 --> 02:45:37,200
only on Tuesdays and Thursdays for a

3387
02:45:37,200 --> 02:45:39,200
long time even though we had changed to

3388
02:45:39,200 --> 02:45:43,120
the new watering schedule. So I guess

3389
02:45:43,120 --> 02:45:44,640
there's a possibility that there could

3390
02:45:44,640 --> 02:45:46,880
be some water change there maybe if

3391
02:45:46,880 --> 02:45:48,960
you're going from watering two days to

3392
02:45:48,960 --> 02:45:51,120
three days but I don't know if it would

3393
02:45:51,120 --> 02:45:53,520
be that much of a difference. So, I was

3394
02:45:53,520 --> 02:45:55,680
just asking if you remember if you were

3395
02:45:55,680 --> 02:45:57,520
doing the two days a week last year.

3396
02:45:57,520 --> 02:45:59,359
>> To be honest with you, I don't remember.

3397
02:45:59,359 --> 02:45:59,840
>> Okay.

3398
02:45:59,840 --> 02:46:02,560
>> And and personally, and we have Bermuda

3399
02:46:02,560 --> 02:46:04,319
grass. I think that's kind of rare

3400
02:46:04,319 --> 02:46:06,399
around here. Okay. Everybody else,

3401
02:46:06,399 --> 02:46:07,920
>> my neighbor has it.

3402
02:46:07,920 --> 02:46:11,359
>> Uh, you know, uh, you know,

3403
02:46:11,359 --> 02:46:12,640
>> fescue.

3404
02:46:12,640 --> 02:46:13,600
>> Not fescue.

3405
02:46:13,600 --> 02:46:14,800
>> Yeah. Fescue.

3406
02:46:14,800 --> 02:46:16,240
>> You have fescue.

3407
02:46:16,240 --> 02:46:19,200
>> No, you have Bermuda on my duplexes that

3408
02:46:19,200 --> 02:46:21,359
we own in Bair.

3409
02:46:21,359 --> 02:46:23,359
>> Those are all fescue. And those are the

3410
02:46:23,359 --> 02:46:24,800
most luscious yards you've ever seen.

3411
02:46:24,800 --> 02:46:29,040
And guess what? It runs it it runs three

3412
02:46:29,040 --> 02:46:30,960
days a week or three nights a week. We

3413
02:46:30,960 --> 02:46:32,880
turn on right after midnight and it's

3414
02:46:32,880 --> 02:46:34,960
almost now there's four circuits there,

3415
02:46:34,960 --> 02:46:36,720
not three. It's a bigger lot.

3416
02:46:36,720 --> 02:46:40,319
>> And uh it it u

3417
02:46:40,319 --> 02:46:44,800
it you know it runs eight minutes and then I think nine and

3418
02:46:44,800 --> 02:46:46,720
then for the last one, the bigger

3419
02:46:46,720 --> 02:46:48,319
backyard, it's 10 minutes,

3420
02:46:48,319 --> 02:46:51,600
>> right? And it's and it's staying very

3421
02:46:51,600 --> 02:46:54,960
close to the $115 to $130 range.

3422
02:46:54,960 --> 02:46:55,840
>> Right.

3423
02:46:55,840 --> 02:46:57,200
>> Well, and then you also said that

3424
02:46:57,200 --> 02:46:59,120
there's no domestic water being used

3425
02:46:59,120 --> 02:47:00,080
inside the house.

3426
02:47:00,080 --> 02:47:02,319
>> Not not inside 23. You know, I say that

3427
02:47:02,319 --> 02:47:04,319
it's not that there's no because like I

3428
02:47:04,319 --> 02:47:06,880
said, we my wife and I might work on

3429
02:47:06,880 --> 02:47:07,359
something.

3430
02:47:07,359 --> 02:47:09,520
>> We're washing stuff and so it's not, you

3431
02:47:09,520 --> 02:47:11,040
know,

3432
02:47:11,040 --> 02:47:12,080
that dishwasher.

3433
02:47:12,080 --> 02:47:13,040
>> Yes. You know.

3434
02:47:13,040 --> 02:47:15,359
>> Okay. Thank you.

3435
02:47:15,359 --> 02:47:17,439
>> Okay. I'm going to put out again. Is

3436
02:47:17,439 --> 02:47:19,439
there anyone else that hasn't spoken

3437
02:47:19,439 --> 02:47:21,760
that would like to speak?

3438
02:47:21,760 --> 02:47:23,439
>> Oh, wait one second. Wait one second,

3439
02:47:23,439 --> 02:47:24,080
Doug. Um,

3440
02:47:24,080 --> 02:47:26,960
>> Joe, I'd also encourage you to uh get a

3441
02:47:26,960 --> 02:47:28,800
hold of Thomas and make sure he checks

3442
02:47:28,800 --> 02:47:30,960
for a leak just in case there may be a

3443
02:47:30,960 --> 02:47:32,720
small leak in the

3444
02:47:32,720 --> 02:47:35,840
>> in inside or something.

3445
02:47:35,840 --> 02:47:38,640
>> I I'm I would still encourage you to uh

3446
02:47:38,640 --> 02:47:40,560
check the meter for have Thomas check

3447
02:47:40,560 --> 02:47:42,560
the meter for a link and make sure

3448
02:47:42,560 --> 02:47:45,760
nothing's turning.

3449
02:47:45,760 --> 02:47:49,990
Yeah, you should be electronic.

3450
02:47:50,000 --> 02:47:52,080
» Yeah. Okay.

3451
02:47:52,080 --> 02:47:58,389
>> Thank you, Doug.

3452
02:47:58,399 --> 02:48:03,840
» Doug Wan, 392 East Cheyenne Court. Um,

3453
02:48:03,840 --> 02:48:05,520
I I don't know if you guys can answer

3454
02:48:05,520 --> 02:48:07,680
this, but I I watched the news clip last

3455
02:48:07,680 --> 02:48:10,880
night, but then I watched it on the app,

3456
02:48:10,880 --> 02:48:12,560
channel 12 app,

3457
02:48:12,560 --> 02:48:15,120
>> and channel 12 left something out that

3458
02:48:15,120 --> 02:48:21,920
was on the app, and that was this the lady from CARG, whose water usage

3459
02:48:21,920 --> 02:48:25,439
went from 4,000 to 10,000.

3460
02:48:25,439 --> 02:48:27,200
And I want to know if anybody's looked

3461
02:48:27,200 --> 02:48:29,120
into that or has she come over here to

3462
02:48:29,120 --> 02:48:32,640
talk about that uh for no

3463
02:48:32,640 --> 02:48:34,160
They they they don't have they don't

3464
02:48:34,160 --> 02:48:36,399
have a yard. I'm sure they use water

3465
02:48:36,399 --> 02:48:39,520
inside, but the the jump I would hate to

3466
02:48:39,520 --> 02:48:43,359
lose car, okay, for that. And I I've had

3467
02:48:43,359 --> 02:48:46,319
a couple neighbors, not Pam and Todd,

3468
02:48:46,319 --> 02:48:48,560
that they want to sell their house if

3469
02:48:48,560 --> 02:48:50,960
this is going to keep up. And I told one

3470
02:48:50,960 --> 02:48:52,399
couple, well, you can sell it, but who's

3471
02:48:52,399 --> 02:48:54,640
going to want to move in if these water

3472
02:48:54,640 --> 02:48:57,359
rates are so high? And so I just I

3473
02:48:57,359 --> 02:48:58,800
didn't know if anybody has had a chance

3474
02:48:58,800 --> 02:49:01,520
to talk to Car yet or not.

3475
02:49:01,520 --> 02:49:13,590
Okay.

3476
02:49:13,600 --> 02:49:16,000
» She came tonight. She was here.

3477
02:49:16,000 --> 02:49:18,399
>> She was here for a while.

3478
02:49:18,399 --> 02:49:24,469
>> Okay.

3479
02:49:24,479 --> 02:49:25,840
» Right.

3480
02:49:25,840 --> 02:49:28,000
>> But I guess it's our fault. I guess it's

3481
02:49:28,000 --> 02:49:29,920
her fault. Okay. We're working through

3482
02:49:29,920 --> 02:49:31,520
this, Doug.

3483
02:49:31,520 --> 02:49:33,600
>> U and one last thing on freedom of

3484
02:49:33,600 --> 02:49:37,359
speech is internet. We are free to say

3485
02:49:37,359 --> 02:49:39,120
whatever we'd like on that.

3486
02:49:39,120 --> 02:49:42,640
>> Yes, you are. Thank you, Doug. Come on

3487
02:49:42,640 --> 02:49:44,479
up,

3488
02:49:44,479 --> 02:49:46,880
Andrea.

3489
02:49:46,880 --> 02:49:48,319
>> You're welcome.

3490
02:49:48,319 --> 02:49:52,720
>> Angela Lasage, 347 East Kodiak. Uh my

3491
02:49:52,720 --> 02:49:55,520
husband and I have lived in Kichai for

3492
02:49:55,520 --> 02:49:59,600
almost 16 years and we own a lovely

3493
02:49:59,600 --> 02:50:02,880
property that we have almost a half acre

3494
02:50:02,880 --> 02:50:05,920
and we do water our yard. Well, we did

3495
02:50:05,920 --> 02:50:08,880
water our yard until this week. My

3496
02:50:08,880 --> 02:50:12,560
husband yesterday shaved our backyard to

3497
02:50:12,560 --> 02:50:15,760
the ground and and it is going to stay

3498
02:50:15,760 --> 02:50:18,560
that way. We have shut our water system

3499
02:50:18,560 --> 02:50:22,960
off and and we two months ago, three

3500
02:50:22,960 --> 02:50:26,720
months ago, we had 22 usage

3501
02:50:26,720 --> 02:50:30,319
two two months in a row and then we had

3502
02:50:30,319 --> 02:50:32,160
15

3503
02:50:32,160 --> 02:50:35,040
uh when it rained because we didn't we

3504
02:50:35,040 --> 02:50:39,520
have a sensor. We had 36 this month. Our

3505
02:50:39,520 --> 02:50:43,600
water alone was $660ome dollars and yes,

3506
02:50:43,600 --> 02:50:46,640
we can pay that. But we have shut our

3507
02:50:46,640 --> 02:50:49,279
system off and we will not turn it on

3508
02:50:49,279 --> 02:50:52,319
next year. We are done. My husband's

3509
02:50:52,319 --> 02:50:54,560
ready to move.

3510
02:50:54,560 --> 02:50:56,720
But um

3511
02:50:56,720 --> 02:50:58,720
there is something wrong. And and we

3512
02:50:58,720 --> 02:51:01,040
know that the meter was read right

3513
02:51:01,040 --> 02:51:02,560
because we went out and looked and

3514
02:51:02,560 --> 02:51:06,000
looked at what it was this month before

3515
02:51:06,000 --> 02:51:09,520
we shut it off. We'd only used 12. So

3516
02:51:09,520 --> 02:51:12,080
because we have cut back because of the

3517
02:51:12,080 --> 02:51:15,680
fact that the um it's so hot that you

3518
02:51:15,680 --> 02:51:17,439
don't you're not doing much good anyway

3519
02:51:17,439 --> 02:51:22,080
except frying it. So, but um and so I am

3520
02:51:22,080 --> 02:51:24,640
reading it every day because there's

3521
02:51:24,640 --> 02:51:27,040
something that wasn't right. We've never

3522
02:51:27,040 --> 02:51:30,240
used 36,000. My daughter has a swimming

3523
02:51:30,240 --> 02:51:33,439
pool. It takes 22,000 gallons to fill

3524
02:51:33,439 --> 02:51:35,680
her pool. My husband said if we had

3525
02:51:35,680 --> 02:51:39,520
36,000 gallons that we used, we would

3526
02:51:39,520 --> 02:51:42,560
see something somewhere. And so when I'm

3527
02:51:42,560 --> 02:51:44,800
out there looking every day, I get down

3528
02:51:44,800 --> 02:51:46,880
there on my knees, pull up the thing.

3529
02:51:46,880 --> 02:51:49,840
Um, we have no leaks because it's not

3530
02:51:49,840 --> 02:51:52,640
going around. We know that. We know our

3531
02:51:52,640 --> 02:51:54,160
plumbing in our house is good. We have

3532
02:51:54,160 --> 02:51:57,600
no leaks. So, there is something that

3533
02:51:57,600 --> 02:52:01,040
has caused that spike. So, you know, we

3534
02:52:01,040 --> 02:52:02,720
I think we've had times in the past

3535
02:52:02,720 --> 02:52:06,960
we've even used 24, but 36

3536
02:52:06,960 --> 02:52:10,319
is incredible. So, that's all I Thank

3537
02:52:10,319 --> 02:52:13,520
you for listening. Um, I hope you guys

3538
02:52:13,520 --> 02:52:16,000
can find something that has caused that

3539
02:52:16,000 --> 02:52:19,040
those meters to spike. Um, because

3540
02:52:19,040 --> 02:52:21,200
there's several of us in the same same

3541
02:52:21,200 --> 02:52:25,359
neighborhood. U, but yet our neighbors

3542
02:52:25,359 --> 02:52:27,760
who said they expected their bill to be

3543
02:52:27,760 --> 02:52:30,319
very high because they had watered uh

3544
02:52:30,319 --> 02:52:32,640
every every opportunity that they had

3545
02:52:32,640 --> 02:52:36,160
for the three three days. um theirs went

3546
02:52:36,160 --> 02:52:39,520
down and they were like and they said,

3547
02:52:39,520 --> 02:52:42,000
"Well, how'd your skies go spike up that

3548
02:52:42,000 --> 02:52:43,920
much?" And I was like, "We have no

3549
02:52:43,920 --> 02:52:47,680
idea." But uh anyway, uh we will not

3550
02:52:47,680 --> 02:52:49,520
turn our meter on. I hope the city

3551
02:52:49,520 --> 02:52:51,520
doesn't send us their nasty notes next

3552
02:52:51,520 --> 02:52:54,880
year on doing our backflow because we're

3553
02:52:54,880 --> 02:52:57,840
not turning it on. We'll we'll do some

3554
02:52:57,840 --> 02:53:00,720
sprinkling in the front yard with hand

3555
02:53:00,720 --> 02:53:03,439
sprinklers, but until until there's some

3556
02:53:03,439 --> 02:53:06,160
kind of resolution, it's it's ridiculous

3557
02:53:06,160 --> 02:53:08,560
to pay that kind of water rate. Thank

3558
02:53:08,560 --> 02:53:08,880
you.

3559
02:53:08,880 --> 02:53:10,479
>> You're welcome.

3560
02:53:10,479 --> 02:53:13,359
>> Thank you. Okay, one last call. Is there

3561
02:53:13,359 --> 02:53:18,800
anyone else that wants to speak before?

3562
02:53:18,800 --> 02:53:21,200
>> Yes, you may

3563
02:53:21,200 --> 02:53:35,830
to Matt.

3564
02:53:35,840 --> 02:53:46,150
Let's say that you're

3565
02:53:46,160 --> 02:53:47,120
correct.

3566
02:53:47,120 --> 02:53:50,399
>> Okay. Is there anyone else? I I I just

3567
02:53:50,399 --> 02:53:53,359
have it hasn't spoken already. Um I

3568
02:53:53,359 --> 02:53:55,920
don't see anybody else. Um, I would just

3569
02:53:55,920 --> 02:53:58,160
like to ask for who is attending. Is

3570
02:53:58,160 --> 02:54:01,040
there anyone here who has a high water

3571
02:54:01,040 --> 02:54:03,040
bill that they did not report it to the

3572
02:54:03,040 --> 02:54:06,070
city?

3573
02:54:06,080 --> 02:54:09,920
Okay. So, we've we've got we've got more

3574
02:54:09,920 --> 02:54:12,479
that have not reported to the city. So,

3575
02:54:12,479 --> 02:54:15,439
just even in attendance.

3576
02:54:15,439 --> 02:54:18,240
>> Yes. But not for your new one. Okay. So,

3577
02:54:18,240 --> 02:54:20,479
I have one other person that contacted

3578
02:54:20,479 --> 02:54:23,200
me directly, and this comment is out on

3579
02:54:23,200 --> 02:54:26,080
social media, so anyone can see it, and

3580
02:54:26,080 --> 02:54:28,000
I'm actually going to read it because

3581
02:54:28,000 --> 02:54:31,760
this bill was so outrageous that I was

3582
02:54:31,760 --> 02:54:34,240
like, I I can't wrap my head around

3583
02:54:34,240 --> 02:54:39,279
this. Um, their previous reading was six

3584
02:54:39,279 --> 02:54:43,830
and then it was 62.

3585
02:54:43,840 --> 02:54:45,359
So,

3586
02:54:45,359 --> 02:54:48,080
this account holder found out that for

3587
02:54:48,080 --> 02:54:50,880
several months there was zero reading on

3588
02:54:50,880 --> 02:54:55,439
their bill and a few with just one.

3589
02:54:55,439 --> 02:54:58,160
There seems to be an issue with them

3590
02:54:58,160 --> 02:55:00,319
referring to the city reading the meters

3591
02:55:00,319 --> 02:55:05,030
correctly. Um,

3592
02:55:05,040 --> 02:55:06,399
I know this is an issue that has

3593
02:55:06,399 --> 02:55:09,439
happened before and obviously it got I

3594
02:55:09,439 --> 02:55:10,880
guess their bill I I don't know. The

3595
02:55:10,880 --> 02:55:12,000
only thing I can think of is it got

3596
02:55:12,000 --> 02:55:15,760
caught back up or something. Um,

3597
02:55:15,760 --> 02:55:17,600
and I know that the city has talked

3598
02:55:17,600 --> 02:55:19,279
about one of the reasons they took

3599
02:55:19,279 --> 02:55:21,439
announcements off the utility bills is

3600
02:55:21,439 --> 02:55:24,640
because people don't read their bills.

3601
02:55:24,640 --> 02:55:28,640
and the people that made this comment,

3602
02:55:28,640 --> 02:55:33,520
I know who they are and are usually very

3603
02:55:33,520 --> 02:55:35,760
attentive to detail.

3604
02:55:35,760 --> 02:55:38,000
And I think that there's a lot of people

3605
02:55:38,000 --> 02:55:40,399
who get their bill, they see how much it

3606
02:55:40,399 --> 02:55:43,200
is, and they just write their check or

3607
02:55:43,200 --> 02:55:45,920
they just pay it, and they're not

3608
02:55:45,920 --> 02:55:48,560
necessarily looking at it because it's

3609
02:55:48,560 --> 02:55:51,680
generally about the same. Um, I was very

3610
02:55:51,680 --> 02:55:54,160
shocked that this detail got missed, but

3611
02:55:54,160 --> 02:55:55,920
however, it does tell me that there was

3612
02:55:55,920 --> 02:55:58,800
at least one bill out there that had not

3613
02:55:58,800 --> 02:56:02,640
been reading the water readings. Um, and

3614
02:56:02,640 --> 02:56:07,600
so that is another anomaly in the middle

3615
02:56:07,600 --> 02:56:11,520
of all of these bills. And so I guess

3616
02:56:11,520 --> 02:56:13,359
part of my question is have we

3617
02:56:13,359 --> 02:56:16,479
investigated the system to make sure

3618
02:56:16,479 --> 02:56:19,600
this wasn't happening to at least the 28

3619
02:56:19,600 --> 02:56:22,240
that there was not some time where their

3620
02:56:22,240 --> 02:56:25,680
bill was coming in at zero or one and

3621
02:56:25,680 --> 02:56:28,160
people had not looked at their bill to

3622
02:56:28,160 --> 02:56:30,160
see that they did not get a correct

3623
02:56:30,160 --> 02:56:32,560
read. Has that been investigated? Yeah,

3624
02:56:32,560 --> 02:56:36,309
I just

3625
02:56:36,319 --> 02:56:38,960
» only one account because we just had

3626
02:56:38,960 --> 02:56:40,479
this happen a few months ago where the

3627
02:56:40,479 --> 02:56:41,120
council just

3628
02:56:41,120 --> 02:56:44,080
>> there was 20 17 or 20 accounts that that

3629
02:56:44,080 --> 02:56:52,230
had been happening to.

3630
02:56:52,240 --> 02:56:55,840
» But they weren't built. That's not

3631
02:56:55,840 --> 02:56:57,439
>> But they weren't build for their water

3632
02:56:57,439 --> 02:56:59,279
usage,

3633
02:56:59,279 --> 02:57:01,040
>> but we had still paid for it.

3634
02:57:01,040 --> 02:57:05,190
>> Let me just

3635
02:57:05,200 --> 02:57:07,200
because that had gone on for 20 months

3636
02:57:07,200 --> 02:57:09,840
>> because Yep. So,

3637
02:57:09,840 --> 02:57:11,520
>> yeah, I think it was the MIU the

3638
02:57:11,520 --> 02:57:15,269
electronic.

3639
02:57:15,279 --> 02:57:15,760
» Okay.

3640
02:57:15,760 --> 02:57:17,120
>> Yeah, let me look back.

3641
02:57:17,120 --> 02:57:22,560
>> But so, could then could this have been

3642
02:57:22,560 --> 02:57:25,600
one of those that got missed in that?

3643
02:57:25,600 --> 02:57:26,399
>> I can't.

3644
02:57:26,399 --> 02:57:32,399
>> Okay. cuz um this person also phoned me

3645
02:57:32,399 --> 02:57:35,040
regarding her situation

3646
02:57:35,040 --> 02:57:37,359
>> um and asked me

3647
02:57:37,359 --> 02:57:42,319
um if it is found that we were not

3648
02:57:42,319 --> 02:57:44,960
properly billing them

3649
02:57:44,960 --> 02:57:48,000
in the past so that it wasn't recording

3650
02:57:48,000 --> 02:57:51,680
correctly how much water they were being

3651
02:57:51,680 --> 02:57:54,080
used regularly

3652
02:57:54,080 --> 02:57:56,399
um whether it was the MIU or the meter

3653
02:57:56,399 --> 02:57:59,920
or what was being recorded versus build.

3654
02:57:59,920 --> 02:58:02,399
And now because we did a manual read, it

3655
02:58:02,399 --> 02:58:05,920
was a catchup for all those months,

3656
02:58:05,920 --> 02:58:08,880
would they be eligible to be charged at

3657
02:58:08,880 --> 02:58:11,760
the lower tiered rate because the lower

3658
02:58:11,760 --> 02:58:13,680
tiered rate was actually what they were

3659
02:58:13,680 --> 02:58:16,880
using? And then all of a sudden, we're

3660
02:58:16,880 --> 02:58:19,520
playing catchup and we're charging them

3661
02:58:19,520 --> 02:58:21,520
at the highest tier that we possibly

3662
02:58:21,520 --> 02:58:24,240
can. And I think that based on what we

3663
02:58:24,240 --> 02:58:27,120
have done in the past that and I told

3664
02:58:27,120 --> 02:58:28,880
her I would bring it to she had a

3665
02:58:28,880 --> 02:58:30,240
previous engagement and couldn't come

3666
02:58:30,240 --> 02:58:32,479
this evening

3667
02:58:32,479 --> 02:58:34,960
that I would I thought that we would

3668
02:58:34,960 --> 02:58:36,960
honor that. I told her I can't speak for

3669
02:58:36,960 --> 02:58:41,120
the council but given our past um what

3670
02:58:41,120 --> 02:58:43,840
we had done when that previous situation

3671
02:58:43,840 --> 02:58:45,760
happened that we did

3672
02:58:45,760 --> 02:58:48,800
>> figure out what the average usage is.

3673
02:58:48,800 --> 02:58:50,319
>> Yeah,

3674
02:58:50,319 --> 02:58:52,800
I think that's what

3675
02:58:52,800 --> 02:58:54,560
So, another question I had and I

3676
02:58:54,560 --> 02:58:58,080
requested it um was that do we have the

3677
02:58:58,080 --> 02:59:00,399
ability to run an unusual consump

3678
02:59:00,399 --> 02:59:03,760
consumption report that would identify

3679
02:59:03,760 --> 02:59:08,399
how many accounts had an unusual high

3680
02:59:08,399 --> 02:59:10,640
usage for the month of July and so far

3681
02:59:10,640 --> 02:59:13,840
I've been told no that cannot happen. I

3682
02:59:13,840 --> 02:59:16,240
don't I have to ask

3683
02:59:16,240 --> 02:59:18,080
>> I would think with the software that we

3684
02:59:18,080 --> 02:59:20,560
have that's information that any utility

3685
02:59:20,560 --> 02:59:23,520
should be able to have that information

3686
02:59:23,520 --> 02:59:27,439
available um for all all of those reads

3687
02:59:27,439 --> 02:59:30,720
that how many had an unusual consumption

3688
02:59:30,720 --> 02:59:32,399
for the month of July and that the city

3689
02:59:32,399 --> 02:59:34,720
should be able to identify how many

3690
02:59:34,720 --> 02:59:37,359
meters read exceptionally high that it's

3691
02:59:37,359 --> 02:59:39,439
not their normal

3692
02:59:39,439 --> 02:59:42,080
um

3693
02:59:42,080 --> 02:59:47,760
consumption use um in a month. Um

3694
02:59:47,760 --> 02:59:51,120
the other question did and you might

3695
02:59:51,120 --> 02:59:54,240
have said this um my understanding is

3696
02:59:54,240 --> 02:59:56,319
that there was a problem with reading

3697
02:59:56,319 --> 02:59:59,439
last month and it was all read manually.

3698
02:59:59,439 --> 03:00:01,760
So have we gone back to make sure that

3699
03:00:01,760 --> 03:00:04,160
the manual recording

3700
03:00:04,160 --> 03:00:06,160
is the same as what's recorded on each

3701
03:00:06,160 --> 03:00:09,279
account? Okay. and have we gone back to

3702
03:00:09,279 --> 03:00:10,880
the meter to make sure the meter lines

3703
03:00:10,880 --> 03:00:12,560
up with what was recorded for each of

3704
03:00:12,560 --> 03:00:15,120
those reads. Okay, so that's already

3705
03:00:15,120 --> 03:00:16,479
happened.

3706
03:00:16,479 --> 03:00:18,080
Um,

3707
03:00:18,080 --> 03:00:19,760
so a question I do have with this

3708
03:00:19,760 --> 03:00:22,640
billing anomaly is I was made aware that

3709
03:00:22,640 --> 03:00:25,600
our Witchita meter for the total city

3710
03:00:25,600 --> 03:00:27,359
use

3711
03:00:27,359 --> 03:00:29,520
um, it nearly matched the collective

3712
03:00:29,520 --> 03:00:33,680
billing for the month of July,

3713
03:00:33,680 --> 03:00:35,760
but there was an anomaly in there that

3714
03:00:35,760 --> 03:00:38,720
would not have been included in part of

3715
03:00:38,720 --> 03:00:42,640
that reading. So I guess I would like to

3716
03:00:42,640 --> 03:00:45,359
see

3717
03:00:45,359 --> 03:00:47,279
the

3718
03:00:47,279 --> 03:00:50,240
Witchita what's been built from Witchah

3719
03:00:50,240 --> 03:00:53,279
to the city actually over at least three

3720
03:00:53,279 --> 03:00:55,760
or four months and what was collectively

3721
03:00:55,760 --> 03:01:00,160
build to all of our meters to see is

3722
03:01:00,160 --> 03:01:02,080
everything matching up and I I'm asking

3723
03:01:02,080 --> 03:01:03,920
for that for accountability to the

3724
03:01:03,920 --> 03:01:05,279
public at this point.

3725
03:01:05,279 --> 03:01:06,479
>> Can I follow up with that?

3726
03:01:06,479 --> 03:01:08,800
>> Go ahead. I know when I was in that

3727
03:01:08,800 --> 03:01:10,880
position, I kept a spreadsheet that

3728
03:01:10,880 --> 03:01:12,319
showed that so we could see the

3729
03:01:12,319 --> 03:01:17,120
anomalies on both um what the city

3730
03:01:17,120 --> 03:01:19,920
build for water and what the city was

3731
03:01:19,920 --> 03:01:21,920
build for water. I did the same for

3732
03:01:21,920 --> 03:01:24,080
sewer so that we could see those. Is

3733
03:01:24,080 --> 03:01:25,760
that spreadsheet do you know still being

3734
03:01:25,760 --> 03:01:27,600
maintained?

3735
03:01:27,600 --> 03:01:31,439
>> I don't have a yes or no for you.

3736
03:01:31,439 --> 03:01:33,520
>> Okay.

3737
03:01:33,520 --> 03:01:38,950
part of that.

3738
03:01:38,960 --> 03:01:43,750
» So that's

3739
03:01:43,760 --> 03:01:46,080
» so well I just was mentioning it because

3740
03:01:46,080 --> 03:01:48,160
then that if we had that spreadsheet it

3741
03:01:48,160 --> 03:01:50,160
would have because we actually have two

3742
03:01:50,160 --> 03:01:52,160
water meters coming from Witchah.

3743
03:01:52,160 --> 03:01:53,439
>> Okay.

3744
03:01:53,439 --> 03:01:57,040
>> I guess of an overall picture though

3745
03:01:57,040 --> 03:02:00,960
there may be individual anomalies but

3746
03:02:00,960 --> 03:02:03,920
presented earlier was there's we use

3747
03:02:03,920 --> 03:02:07,040
three as as a community we use three

3748
03:02:07,040 --> 03:02:10,240
million more gallons than we did the

3749
03:02:10,240 --> 03:02:11,840
previous month.

3750
03:02:11,840 --> 03:02:14,720
>> So there may be some

3751
03:02:14,720 --> 03:02:16,479
>> previous year excuse me.

3752
03:02:16,479 --> 03:02:18,399
>> Um so

3753
03:02:18,399 --> 03:02:22,560
>> no it was million large level everything

3754
03:02:22,560 --> 03:02:24,560
that's going out is the same as what

3755
03:02:24,560 --> 03:02:27,359
were coming in. So we've got something

3756
03:02:27,359 --> 03:02:29,680
going on. It's not like

3757
03:02:29,680 --> 03:02:31,279
>> one of them isn't matching up.

3758
03:02:31,279 --> 03:02:31,680
>> No,

3759
03:02:31,680 --> 03:02:33,439
>> there may be little anomalies and all

3760
03:02:33,439 --> 03:02:35,359
the distribution side,

3761
03:02:35,359 --> 03:02:38,080
>> but we're bringing in that much.

3762
03:02:38,080 --> 03:02:41,040
>> So, we're using it someplace. I mean, I

3763
03:02:41,040 --> 03:02:42,800
shouldn't say it's going through the

3764
03:02:42,800 --> 03:02:43,359
meters

3765
03:02:43,359 --> 03:02:44,880
>> and there should be some anomalies

3766
03:02:44,880 --> 03:02:48,479
because of when if we're reading on the

3767
03:02:48,479 --> 03:02:52,560
1st through the 4th, our meters that

3768
03:02:52,560 --> 03:02:54,479
from Witchah aren't necessarily being

3769
03:02:54,479 --> 03:02:56,319
read on the same day. They are in fact

3770
03:02:56,319 --> 03:02:58,080
like I said we have two meters coming

3771
03:02:58,080 --> 03:03:01,359
from Witchah. So they are not being read

3772
03:03:01,359 --> 03:03:03,840
necessarily on the same day. It was also

3773
03:03:03,840 --> 03:03:05,760
how we found out we had a sewer problem

3774
03:03:05,760 --> 03:03:07,200
because we started tracking that and

3775
03:03:07,200 --> 03:03:09,680
saying whoa why how how do we have so

3776
03:03:09,680 --> 03:03:11,920
much more water going back to Witchah

3777
03:03:11,920 --> 03:03:13,120
>> every time it rained.

3778
03:03:13,120 --> 03:03:14,240
we had

3779
03:03:14,240 --> 03:03:15,920
infiltration. But if we keep track of

3780
03:03:15,920 --> 03:03:18,080
that that's how we find those things.

3781
03:03:18,080 --> 03:03:21,680
So, um, how many do you know how many

3782
03:03:21,680 --> 03:03:25,279
meters we have that are not being

3783
03:03:25,279 --> 03:03:27,040
electronically read that are not on

3784
03:03:27,040 --> 03:03:27,920
center?

3785
03:03:27,920 --> 03:03:29,920
>> I don't have

3786
03:03:29,920 --> 03:03:31,680
>> I think Thomas in the meeting this week

3787
03:03:31,680 --> 03:03:34,880
said he needs to replace 300 still. So,

3788
03:03:34,880 --> 03:03:37,520
I'm guessing that basically 300 are not

3789
03:03:37,520 --> 03:03:39,680
the that would be a good estimate

3790
03:03:39,680 --> 03:03:41,439
probably.

3791
03:03:41,439 --> 03:03:43,600
>> Yeah. So about 300 would need to be

3792
03:03:43,600 --> 03:03:46,720
replaced before we can open up the

3793
03:03:46,720 --> 03:03:49,359
Zenner monitoring system.

3794
03:03:49,359 --> 03:03:52,319
>> Okay. Um

3795
03:03:52,319 --> 03:03:54,560
so when and I know that most of you guys

3796
03:03:54,560 --> 03:03:56,399
had problems with usage but the tier

3797
03:03:56,399 --> 03:03:59,680
system um got brought up as well. So I

3798
03:03:59,680 --> 03:04:02,319
was not on council when this current one

3799
03:04:02,319 --> 03:04:05,040
um was adopted. So my question would be

3800
03:04:05,040 --> 03:04:09,200
were the the tiers that we use are those

3801
03:04:09,200 --> 03:04:11,520
similar to the tiers that Witchah uses

3802
03:04:11,520 --> 03:04:14,640
or were those ones that were recommended

3803
03:04:14,640 --> 03:04:23,590
from the um water rate study?

3804
03:04:23,600 --> 03:04:26,800
» So but I'm but so in the water rate

3805
03:04:26,800 --> 03:04:30,240
study is is that what was recommended to

3806
03:04:30,240 --> 03:04:32,240
the council? No, the

3807
03:04:32,240 --> 03:04:34,479
>> No. And I'll I'll I want to speak to

3808
03:04:34,479 --> 03:04:35,680
that. So I

3809
03:04:35,680 --> 03:04:36,080
>> Okay.

3810
03:04:36,080 --> 03:04:39,680
>> What what the water wise or water guys

3811
03:04:39,680 --> 03:04:41,120
>> Great rates some great rates.

3812
03:04:41,120 --> 03:04:41,600
>> Great rates.

3813
03:04:41,600 --> 03:04:42,960
>> Yeah. Great rates.

3814
03:04:42,960 --> 03:04:44,960
>> What they recommended was the three tier

3815
03:04:44,960 --> 03:04:49,040
system. And I asked for a lower tier to

3816
03:04:49,040 --> 03:04:52,640
be put in the 0ero to 5,000

3817
03:04:52,640 --> 03:04:56,000
so that people on

3818
03:04:56,000 --> 03:04:58,399
in, you know, very small households that

3819
03:04:58,399 --> 03:05:00,640
are really struggling, we could get them

3820
03:05:00,640 --> 03:05:02,720
a lower rate because everything of the

3821
03:05:02,720 --> 03:05:05,600
three existing tiers that we've had was

3822
03:05:05,600 --> 03:05:09,200
going up. So I asked Matt if he could go

3823
03:05:09,200 --> 03:05:12,800
back, have them rerun it at a lower tier

3824
03:05:12,800 --> 03:05:15,840
for essential use only. And I understand

3825
03:05:15,840 --> 03:05:17,920
5,000 is not that much,

3826
03:05:17,920 --> 03:05:20,160
>> but it's for the essential use only that

3827
03:05:20,160 --> 03:05:23,040
people who are really struggling can get

3828
03:05:23,040 --> 03:05:25,760
the lowest rate possible.

3829
03:05:25,760 --> 03:05:29,359
In response to that, we had to raise the

3830
03:05:29,359 --> 03:05:32,000
higher tier. So if you're going over

3831
03:05:32,000 --> 03:05:34,319
25,000,

3832
03:05:34,319 --> 03:05:38,960
that's part of that reason. So

3833
03:05:38,960 --> 03:05:42,479
part of what I asked for, but we did go

3834
03:05:42,479 --> 03:05:46,880
from three tiers to four tiers.

3835
03:05:46,880 --> 03:05:48,000
>> Thank you.

3836
03:05:48,000 --> 03:05:55,030
>> Sure. Go ahead.

3837
03:05:55,040 --> 03:05:58,080
» July of 25.

3838
03:05:58,080 --> 03:05:58,479
>> Yeah.

3839
03:05:58,479 --> 03:06:02,399
>> And I'm pretty sure it was July of 25.

3840
03:06:02,399 --> 03:06:04,160
>> Yeah. because I actually asked if the

3841
03:06:04,160 --> 03:06:05,680
escalation rate was going to go up

3842
03:06:05,680 --> 03:06:07,359
August 1st after the new rates got put

3843
03:06:07,359 --> 03:06:09,439
into effect last year and it was no. You

3844
03:06:09,439 --> 03:06:15,520
didn't have an extra 3% last year. So, one one of the thing I would like to

3845
03:06:15,520 --> 03:06:17,120
say really quick is that I attended the

3846
03:06:17,120 --> 03:06:20,000
Kansas Water Office local consult today

3847
03:06:20,000 --> 03:06:23,120
and I talked someone sitting beside me

3848
03:06:23,120 --> 03:06:24,880
was from

3849
03:06:24,880 --> 03:06:26,880
a utility

3850
03:06:26,880 --> 03:06:29,520
company and has been in the utility

3851
03:06:29,520 --> 03:06:32,800
business for many many many years.

3852
03:06:32,800 --> 03:06:36,000
And in the discussion,

3853
03:06:36,000 --> 03:06:37,840
because of the news story, it's already

3854
03:06:37,840 --> 03:06:40,479
out all over the place that Kichi has

3855
03:06:40,479 --> 03:06:42,080
this high water issue going on with

3856
03:06:42,080 --> 03:06:43,920
their bills.

3857
03:06:43,920 --> 03:06:46,720
This person said it's almost impossible

3858
03:06:46,720 --> 03:06:50,720
for a town of our size to suddenly use 3

3859
03:06:50,720 --> 03:06:53,600
million gallons more water. Um

3860
03:06:53,600 --> 03:06:55,920
especially when 2400 actually includes

3861
03:06:55,920 --> 03:06:58,160
Sunnydale and they're on rule water one.

3862
03:06:58,160 --> 03:07:01,359
So that just I would I personally would

3863
03:07:01,359 --> 03:07:02,800
like an investigation of the whole

3864
03:07:02,800 --> 03:07:04,319
system

3865
03:07:04,319 --> 03:07:08,479
because it's is such a strange

3866
03:07:08,479 --> 03:07:12,000
issue that has come up. 28 is a start.

3867
03:07:12,000 --> 03:07:14,080
There's way more than 28 people that

3868
03:07:14,080 --> 03:07:18,640
have this big huge spike. And it's like

3869
03:07:18,640 --> 03:07:22,080
I think the citizens need

3870
03:07:22,080 --> 03:07:23,600
to see that the city's going to do

3871
03:07:23,600 --> 03:07:29,200
everything possible to show them that

3872
03:07:29,200 --> 03:07:32,880
we care and that we want to do

3873
03:07:32,880 --> 03:07:35,840
everything we possibly can to make sure

3874
03:07:35,840 --> 03:07:38,399
something didn't happen. Some software

3875
03:07:38,399 --> 03:07:40,560
glitch. Was there some cyber attack? Was

3876
03:07:40,560 --> 03:07:43,439
there I I don't know. I mean, are these

3877
03:07:43,439 --> 03:07:45,840
really I mean, are these water uses

3878
03:07:45,840 --> 03:07:47,920
really like we can't we literally can't

3879
03:07:47,920 --> 03:07:50,240
explain them and nothing can be found at

3880
03:07:50,240 --> 03:07:54,309
all.

3881
03:07:54,319 --> 03:07:55,760
» And that that will be a council

3882
03:07:55,760 --> 03:07:57,760
decision.

3883
03:07:57,760 --> 03:08:07,990
>> Yes.

3884
03:08:08,000 --> 03:08:09,680
» Okay. Hang on, guys. Hang on. Let Let

3885
03:08:09,680 --> 03:08:12,080
him Let him speak. Hang on.

3886
03:08:12,080 --> 03:08:13,760
I've already asked them and that is

3887
03:08:13,760 --> 03:08:19,269
possibility

3888
03:08:19,279 --> 03:08:23,279
totally up to us but we need to see

3889
03:08:23,279 --> 03:08:24,000
>> okay

3890
03:08:24,000 --> 03:08:25,040
>> we've already

3891
03:08:25,040 --> 03:08:30,870
>> Okay.

3892
03:08:30,880 --> 03:08:33,520
» Yes. Okay.

3893
03:08:33,520 --> 03:08:36,560
>> Okay. So PEC is our regularly contracted

3894
03:08:36,560 --> 03:08:38,000
engineering company for the city of

3895
03:08:38,000 --> 03:08:42,080
Kichi. So they know us. So anyway, I'm

3896
03:08:42,080 --> 03:08:43,760
just going to put that out there. I'm

3897
03:08:43,760 --> 03:08:45,760
going to let council continue to discuss

3898
03:08:45,760 --> 03:08:47,040
the matter.

3899
03:08:47,040 --> 03:08:49,600
>> Um, so

3900
03:08:49,600 --> 03:08:54,160
I know that um, residents are as a whole

3901
03:08:54,160 --> 03:08:56,160
make up a great portion of our water

3902
03:08:56,160 --> 03:08:59,040
use, but we also have several our

3903
03:08:59,040 --> 03:09:02,479
highest water users are industrial and

3904
03:09:02,479 --> 03:09:05,680
commercial. So do we know what their

3905
03:09:05,680 --> 03:09:08,800
rate I mean their usage increased over

3906
03:09:08,800 --> 03:09:10,880
that same period of time? so that we can

3907
03:09:10,880 --> 03:09:15,120
compare um what were the what was the

3908
03:09:15,120 --> 03:09:20,070
consumption amounts by customer type.

3909
03:09:20,080 --> 03:09:20,880
» Awesome.

3910
03:09:20,880 --> 03:09:22,240
>> Well, I know that.

3911
03:09:22,240 --> 03:09:22,640
>> Yeah.

3912
03:09:22,640 --> 03:09:23,359
>> Okay. Well,

3913
03:09:23,359 --> 03:09:24,399
>> a question.

3914
03:09:24,399 --> 03:09:28,240
>> Okay. No, I I know that we can do the

3915
03:09:28,240 --> 03:09:31,359
report. I just want to know the data

3916
03:09:31,359 --> 03:09:33,439
from it. I mean, because I'll be honest.

3917
03:09:33,439 --> 03:09:35,359
I know Debbie knows that we have to have

3918
03:09:35,359 --> 03:09:36,880
some of that just to file our monthly

3919
03:09:36,880 --> 03:09:38,800
sales tax. We have to know different

3920
03:09:38,800 --> 03:09:41,040
rates because of because of that.

3921
03:09:41,040 --> 03:09:44,319
>> Maybe asking have any of the 28 been

3922
03:09:44,319 --> 03:09:46,240
commercial?

3923
03:09:46,240 --> 03:09:48,319
>> Oh, I and I wasn't worried about that.

3924
03:09:48,319 --> 03:09:49,520
What I'm worried because

3925
03:09:49,520 --> 03:09:50,720
>> they have such high volume.

3926
03:09:50,720 --> 03:09:52,880
>> They have a very high volume before they

3927
03:09:52,880 --> 03:09:54,960
move up to a tier. So, for instance, it

3928
03:09:54,960 --> 03:09:58,160
was what 100,000 gallons is up to

3929
03:09:58,160 --> 03:10:00,960
100,000 gallons is their first tier. And

3930
03:10:00,960 --> 03:10:04,640
I understand that they use water um for

3931
03:10:04,640 --> 03:10:06,800
their production and things like that.

3932
03:10:06,800 --> 03:10:09,840
and that's how they make money. But I

3933
03:10:09,840 --> 03:10:13,760
also know that um when they're watering

3934
03:10:13,760 --> 03:10:16,479
their grass, are they being held to the

3935
03:10:16,479 --> 03:10:18,960
same standard of conserving water for

3936
03:10:18,960 --> 03:10:22,000
their for their lawns as we are for our

3937
03:10:22,000 --> 03:10:24,640
residents? So for instance, meter

3938
03:10:24,640 --> 03:10:28,640
engineers, how much of their water bill

3939
03:10:28,640 --> 03:10:32,319
is for their irrigation versus how much

3940
03:10:32,319 --> 03:10:37,200
of their water bill is for um production

3941
03:10:37,200 --> 03:10:40,160
because I know that I mean they a lot of

3942
03:10:40,160 --> 03:10:42,160
times there's two separate meters or

3943
03:10:42,160 --> 03:10:44,319
there had been in the past. So when I

3944
03:10:44,319 --> 03:10:47,040
think of how much water is being used,

3945
03:10:47,040 --> 03:10:49,520
do we have that information that we So

3946
03:10:49,520 --> 03:10:52,000
when we look at that 3 million and I

3947
03:10:52,000 --> 03:10:53,200
know that like you said that's a big

3948
03:10:53,200 --> 03:10:56,080
anomaly, but how much of that is coming

3949
03:10:56,080 --> 03:10:57,920
from

3950
03:10:57,920 --> 03:10:59,840
I mean Valley Floral has got to use I

3951
03:10:59,840 --> 03:11:00,960
mean they use a lot of water because

3952
03:11:00,960 --> 03:11:03,920
they're plant-based that okay they have

3953
03:11:03,920 --> 03:11:07,040
plants they not

3954
03:11:07,040 --> 03:11:10,080
>> um when when we go wash our cars more KI

3955
03:11:10,080 --> 03:11:12,160
car wash is going to use more water and

3956
03:11:12,160 --> 03:11:15,439
I know that I So, I just want to see,

3957
03:11:15,439 --> 03:11:17,439
you know, where is is is some of that

3958
03:11:17,439 --> 03:11:20,240
feeding into that. I did have a qu I did

3959
03:11:20,240 --> 03:11:22,000
write a question about making sure we're

3960
03:11:22,000 --> 03:11:23,920
running a zero consumption in our high

3961
03:11:23,920 --> 03:11:27,359
usage reports. Um, we've talked about

3962
03:11:27,359 --> 03:11:31,600
the watering restrictions and um are we

3963
03:11:31,600 --> 03:11:33,680
enforcing

3964
03:11:33,680 --> 03:11:36,160
um the watering restrictions? What are I

3965
03:11:36,160 --> 03:11:41,910
mean

3966
03:11:41,920 --> 03:11:42,240
» okay

3967
03:11:42,240 --> 03:11:50,150
>> during the day

3968
03:11:50,160 --> 03:11:51,600
» and that was something we talked about

3969
03:11:51,600 --> 03:11:53,200
too where that could end up with a door

3970
03:11:53,200 --> 03:11:56,160
hanger and just saying hey reminder

3971
03:11:56,160 --> 03:11:59,279
Monday Wednesday only between

3972
03:11:59,279 --> 03:12:01,439
>> 10 before 10 or after six

3973
03:12:01,439 --> 03:12:03,760
>> and I one of my um like I said those

3974
03:12:03,760 --> 03:12:05,279
were some of my questions

3975
03:12:05,279 --> 03:12:06,800
Um,

3976
03:12:06,800 --> 03:12:08,720
and again, like I said with the social

3977
03:12:08,720 --> 03:12:10,399
media, I understand and and I'm going to

3978
03:12:10,399 --> 03:12:12,960
say, yeah, when Mr. Jensen saying he's

3979
03:12:12,960 --> 03:12:14,640
not going to go investigate social media

3980
03:12:14,640 --> 03:12:16,160
to see where the complaints are coming

3981
03:12:16,160 --> 03:12:18,000
from, we need to make sure the

3982
03:12:18,000 --> 03:12:19,920
complaints are coming to hear when you

3983
03:12:19,920 --> 03:12:20,960
have them. Yes.

3984
03:12:20,960 --> 03:12:22,720
>> However,

3985
03:12:22,720 --> 03:12:25,200
and yes, it is definitely free speech

3986
03:12:25,200 --> 03:12:27,680
and I encourage that because I think

3987
03:12:27,680 --> 03:12:30,560
that there's a lot of you who felt like,

3988
03:12:30,560 --> 03:12:33,359
is this only me?

3989
03:12:33,359 --> 03:12:36,319
and and you had a different reaction

3990
03:12:36,319 --> 03:12:37,680
when he's like, "Okay." And I know

3991
03:12:37,680 --> 03:12:40,479
several of you came in and talked to him

3992
03:12:40,479 --> 03:12:42,560
and said, "Hey, I found out or I didn't

3993
03:12:42,560 --> 03:12:44,160
find out and I still really want to know

3994
03:12:44,160 --> 03:12:46,399
what's going on and we really want you

3995
03:12:46,399 --> 03:12:48,479
to know what's going on because like I

3996
03:12:48,479 --> 03:12:52,080
said, whether I mean I mine is stay

3997
03:12:52,080 --> 03:12:55,359
steady. I am two units. My husband and

3998
03:12:55,359 --> 03:12:57,840
I, we do not water because I have a big

3999
03:12:57,840 --> 03:12:59,760
yard and I say God waters it when he

4000
03:12:59,760 --> 03:13:02,800
wants it green and otherwise my I still

4001
03:13:02,800 --> 03:13:04,479
have to mow it. Well, we don't I don't

4002
03:13:04,479 --> 03:13:07,200
get that. But um so we that we're just a

4003
03:13:07,200 --> 03:13:09,120
household of two. So we are in that

4004
03:13:09,120 --> 03:13:11,760
lower tier. Um

4005
03:13:11,760 --> 03:13:14,720
but I also know that those leaks happen.

4006
03:13:14,720 --> 03:13:16,720
We've had it where it was the toilet

4007
03:13:16,720 --> 03:13:18,880
that leaked that flapper. It it made a

4008
03:13:18,880 --> 03:13:22,640
big difference. So, um, I want you guys

4009
03:13:22,640 --> 03:13:24,960
to know that keep keep talking to each

4010
03:13:24,960 --> 03:13:27,439
other. Keep being a community because we

4011
03:13:27,439 --> 03:13:28,960
need to come together. And even if we're

4012
03:13:28,960 --> 03:13:31,439
only coming together on social media, we

4013
03:13:31,439 --> 03:13:32,960
need to come together. We need to feel

4014
03:13:32,960 --> 03:13:34,880
like we're out there that we I'm glad to

4015
03:13:34,880 --> 03:13:36,239
hear that your neighbors were out

4016
03:13:36,239 --> 03:13:37,840
talking to each other. I'm sorry it was

4017
03:13:37,840 --> 03:13:40,479
about this and not about, you know,

4018
03:13:40,479 --> 03:13:42,720
>> doing a rain dance so we get some rain.

4019
03:13:42,720 --> 03:13:46,080
But, um, yeah. So, make sure you're

4020
03:13:46,080 --> 03:13:48,960
letting us know. City, whether it's city

4021
03:13:48,960 --> 03:13:51,439
council, city hall, we want to hear from

4022
03:13:51,439 --> 03:13:54,479
you. We want to hear your concerns.

4023
03:13:54,479 --> 03:13:56,399
That's what we're about.

4024
03:13:56,399 --> 03:13:58,880
>> So, and I I do want to I hope that we

4025
03:13:58,880 --> 03:14:02,560
can get some some satisfactory answers.

4026
03:14:02,560 --> 03:14:05,359
Um I know we had already I had one on

4027
03:14:05,359 --> 03:14:07,760
here about how are meters tested? Um

4028
03:14:07,760 --> 03:14:10,479
that's been answered. So, but I think my

4029
03:14:10,479 --> 03:14:12,239
biggest one is, you know, what do we

4030
03:14:12,239 --> 03:14:14,720
need to do to work together to instill

4031
03:14:14,720 --> 03:14:16,319
confidence

4032
03:14:16,319 --> 03:14:20,720
>> back to you guys that that you are what you're being charged is reflective

4033
03:14:20,720 --> 03:14:25,910
of what you used?

4034
03:14:25,920 --> 03:14:26,720
» Okay.

4035
03:14:26,720 --> 03:14:27,520
>> I've been waiting.

4036
03:14:27,520 --> 03:14:30,239
>> Sorry. So, um, I asked as asked Matt

4037
03:14:30,239 --> 03:14:33,040
this afternoon to put together that map

4038
03:14:33,040 --> 03:14:35,840
of where the usage was because I've

4039
03:14:35,840 --> 03:14:37,760
talked to Thomas a couple times and he's

4040
03:14:37,760 --> 03:14:39,680
telling me I'm barking up the wrong

4041
03:14:39,680 --> 03:14:47,040
tree, but of all the people in here, who all is in Prairie Creek area

4042
03:14:47,040 --> 03:14:51,520
and and everybody's was hired, right?

4043
03:14:51,520 --> 03:14:54,960
Has And I know,

4044
03:14:54,960 --> 03:14:57,359
>> right? I I know it's not I know there's

4045
03:14:57,359 --> 03:14:59,279
others. I'm just saying it seems like a

4046
03:14:59,279 --> 03:14:59,760
majority

4047
03:14:59,760 --> 03:15:01,120
>> like a cluster.

4048
03:15:01,120 --> 03:15:02,399
>> Um

4049
03:15:02,399 --> 03:15:04,720
>> has anybody and I know this is a

4050
03:15:04,720 --> 03:15:06,720
completely subjective question but I'm

4051
03:15:06,720 --> 03:15:10,399
not giving up on it. Has anybody noticed

4052
03:15:10,399 --> 03:15:12,479
increased pressure

4053
03:15:12,479 --> 03:15:16,479
or better not in this case but better

4054
03:15:16,479 --> 03:15:18,720
water pressure

4055
03:15:18,720 --> 03:15:21,359
the last six monthsish?

4056
03:15:21,359 --> 03:15:23,120
It

4057
03:15:23,120 --> 03:15:26,800
>> less. Okay. I on our side over here I

4058
03:15:26,800 --> 03:15:29,359
noticed ours was was higher

4059
03:15:29,359 --> 03:15:31,359
>> and Thomas assured me that no the

4060
03:15:31,359 --> 03:15:33,120
pressure is the same. The reason I asked

4061
03:15:33,120 --> 03:15:35,600
is I was thinking okay if the pressures

4062
03:15:35,600 --> 03:15:36,800
went up

4063
03:15:36,800 --> 03:15:38,640
>> then you know those are free flowing

4064
03:15:38,640 --> 03:15:40,479
meters they just meter what's going if

4065
03:15:40,479 --> 03:15:42,239
your if your pressure goes up and you're

4066
03:15:42,239 --> 03:15:44,239
watering for the same amount of time

4067
03:15:44,239 --> 03:15:46,319
then more is going to go through. So I

4068
03:15:46,319 --> 03:15:55,429
was thinking maybe

4069
03:15:55,439 --> 03:15:57,120
» Go ahead and come up to the mic so that

4070
03:15:57,120 --> 03:16:00,399
we can hear what happened.

4071
03:16:00,399 --> 03:16:03,990
>> It's okay.

4072
03:16:04,000 --> 03:16:06,160
» We already know.

4073
03:16:06,160 --> 03:16:08,080
>> I know. We had a situation that

4074
03:16:08,080 --> 03:16:08,880
happened.

4075
03:16:08,880 --> 03:16:10,000
>> Help me.

4076
03:16:10,000 --> 03:16:10,640
>> Two days ago.

4077
03:16:10,640 --> 03:16:13,120
Okay. Four o'clock in the

4078
03:16:13,120 --> 03:16:15,840
morning. Watering time.

4079
03:16:15,840 --> 03:16:19,279
Doug waters in the morning at three. We

4080
03:16:19,279 --> 03:16:21,680
I think Todd did his at three. Did do

4081
03:16:21,680 --> 03:16:24,560
you did you water?

4082
03:16:24,560 --> 03:16:27,120
whatever Clint does his. And we had the

4083
03:16:27,120 --> 03:16:29,279
most unusual thing. My husband woke up

4084
03:16:29,279 --> 03:16:31,359
at four o'clock. I didn't want to say

4085
03:16:31,359 --> 03:16:32,720
this because it's gonna say you're gonna

4086
03:16:32,720 --> 03:16:34,560
say, "Oh, that's what's going on." No,

4087
03:16:34,560 --> 03:16:36,000
it's not. But we had the most unusual

4088
03:16:36,000 --> 03:16:38,720
thing happened. He jumps out of bed,

4089
03:16:38,720 --> 03:16:42,239
heard something. It was our backflow pre

4090
03:16:42,239 --> 03:16:43,439
blue. I mean, I don't know how to say

4091
03:16:43,439 --> 03:16:45,439
it. Just it came apart. We thought first

4092
03:16:45,439 --> 03:16:47,760
somebody was tampering with it. But not

4093
03:16:47,760 --> 03:16:51,359
only did ours do that, but so did Sue's

4094
03:16:51,359 --> 03:16:53,279
behind us.

4095
03:16:53,279 --> 03:16:54,640
And then so did

4096
03:16:54,640 --> 03:16:56,160
>> Ricky

4097
03:16:56,160 --> 03:16:57,359
did the same thing.

4098
03:16:57,359 --> 03:16:58,000
>> Yeah.

4099
03:16:58,000 --> 03:17:00,560
>> All in the same time period.

4100
03:17:00,560 --> 03:17:02,800
>> You guys told Thomas that?

4101
03:17:02,800 --> 03:17:03,520
>> No,

4102
03:17:03,520 --> 03:17:04,399
>> not yet.

4103
03:17:04,399 --> 03:17:06,080
>> Because I didn't want to find any more

4104
03:17:06,080 --> 03:17:07,120
about water.

4105
03:17:07,120 --> 03:17:08,800
>> Well, those are

4106
03:17:08,800 --> 03:17:10,640
>> But I'm going to tell you something. It

4107
03:17:10,640 --> 03:17:12,399
all happened in about a three to

4108
03:17:12,399 --> 03:17:15,760
whatever period. And my husband said,

4109
03:17:15,760 --> 03:17:18,080
who's an engineer and like I said, he's

4110
03:17:18,080 --> 03:17:20,399
smart, right? Well, and that is what

4111
03:17:20,399 --> 03:17:22,399
that is why he posted about air in the

4112
03:17:22,399 --> 03:17:22,800
line.

4113
03:17:22,800 --> 03:17:25,040
>> Yes. And he says because of Park City.

4114
03:17:25,040 --> 03:17:28,399
But the thing is is something happened.

4115
03:17:28,399 --> 03:17:30,319
We know something happened. He went out

4116
03:17:30,319 --> 03:17:32,720
there, shut our system down first. And

4117
03:17:32,720 --> 03:17:34,479
he was mad. I mean, we're getting all

4118
03:17:34,479 --> 03:17:36,640
new security, you know, but it he said,

4119
03:17:36,640 --> 03:17:38,239
"I don't think it's that. It's a

4120
03:17:38,239 --> 03:17:40,800
something's clean here. We didn't file a

4121
03:17:40,800 --> 03:17:42,000
police report.

4122
03:17:42,000 --> 03:17:42,800
>> Snapped

4123
03:17:42,800 --> 03:17:45,680
>> it. It's it came out. It just came out."

4124
03:17:45,680 --> 03:17:49,120
But Sue had a or my neighbor behind us

4125
03:17:49,120 --> 03:17:52,720
that I won't tell you her name. She had

4126
03:17:52,720 --> 03:17:56,160
uh a new system put in just recently.

4127
03:17:56,160 --> 03:17:58,080
Clint went over and was talking to her.

4128
03:17:58,080 --> 03:18:02,800
Right, April? Me here and and she had

4129
03:18:02,800 --> 03:18:05,439
the same situation going on. Then he

4130
03:18:05,439 --> 03:18:08,720
calls Ricky Bobby and find out that he's

4131
03:18:08,720 --> 03:18:11,279
had a problem all and they that says

4132
03:18:11,279 --> 03:18:14,239
it's that is so rare for that to happen.

4133
03:18:14,239 --> 03:18:15,840
So yes, I think there was a pressure

4134
03:18:15,840 --> 03:18:16,239
some

4135
03:18:16,239 --> 03:18:18,239
>> all the valves blew.

4136
03:18:18,239 --> 03:18:19,920
>> Well, those are the pieces of the puzzle

4137
03:18:19,920 --> 03:18:21,200
we need to know about to help,

4138
03:18:21,200 --> 03:18:21,920
>> right?

4139
03:18:21,920 --> 03:18:25,439
>> But do you understand why we didn't?

4140
03:18:25,439 --> 03:18:27,840
>> Okay, that's why because we don't listen

4141
03:18:27,840 --> 03:18:28,160
to

4142
03:18:28,160 --> 03:18:29,840
>> I'm sorry, but that's exactly what it

4143
03:18:29,840 --> 03:18:30,319
is.

4144
03:18:30,319 --> 03:18:33,520
>> I know. I know. I

4145
03:18:33,520 --> 03:18:35,840
>> That's why that's why people won't

4146
03:18:35,840 --> 03:18:37,439
because when they hear that it's their

4147
03:18:37,439 --> 03:18:39,279
fault, they're like, well, they aren't

4148
03:18:39,279 --> 03:18:41,120
listening to us and so they don't want

4149
03:18:41,120 --> 03:18:43,359
to share anymore.

4150
03:18:43,359 --> 03:18:45,359
So, and it is something we have to

4151
03:18:45,359 --> 03:18:48,560
rebuild trust, which is why I do believe

4152
03:18:48,560 --> 03:18:51,680
we need an independent investigation.

4153
03:18:51,680 --> 03:18:54,160
>> And it's and I mean, I get PEC knows our

4154
03:18:54,160 --> 03:18:56,399
system, but yet at the same time, it's

4155
03:18:56,399 --> 03:18:59,200
like putting it out for bid for someone

4156
03:18:59,200 --> 03:19:01,439
to come in and do the investigation.

4157
03:19:01,439 --> 03:19:04,239
>> I find I don't I don't know. PEC's who

4158
03:19:04,239 --> 03:19:06,399
we ask for engineering questions

4159
03:19:06,399 --> 03:19:08,239
obviously because we're contracted with

4160
03:19:08,239 --> 03:19:10,399
them. I don't know if they have that

4161
03:19:10,399 --> 03:19:11,840
specialty, but

4162
03:19:11,840 --> 03:19:14,800
>> I think that that that's exactly why I

4163
03:19:14,800 --> 03:19:17,279
was asking that question is because to

4164
03:19:17,279 --> 03:19:18,319
me

4165
03:19:18,319 --> 03:19:19,279
>> it makes sense.

4166
03:19:19,279 --> 03:19:21,040
>> A bit of an engineering brain. I'm not

4167
03:19:21,040 --> 03:19:24,080
an engineer, but I pretend to be one.

4168
03:19:24,080 --> 03:19:28,000
>> But to me, it's there's so many usage

4169
03:19:28,000 --> 03:19:29,840
increases.

4170
03:19:29,840 --> 03:19:33,359
>> Now, I we also have to all acknowledge

4171
03:19:33,359 --> 03:19:37,920
that I I beg you guys, do not compare

4172
03:19:37,920 --> 03:19:41,920
your usage to 2025. Correct. 2025 was

4173
03:19:41,920 --> 03:19:43,920
wonderful. I hardly ran my sprinkler

4174
03:19:43,920 --> 03:19:46,319
system at all. Grass was green. It was

4175
03:19:46,319 --> 03:19:48,720
cool. It was wet. Okay. But going back

4176
03:19:48,720 --> 03:19:52,239
to 2024, 2023 and looking at those

4177
03:19:52,239 --> 03:19:54,239
usages, I think is valid.

4178
03:19:54,239 --> 03:19:54,720
>> Yes.

4179
03:19:54,720 --> 03:19:56,720
>> Um but

4180
03:19:56,720 --> 03:19:58,399
>> what's that?

4181
03:19:58,399 --> 03:19:58,880
>> I

4182
03:19:58,880 --> 03:20:03,600
>> Well, but what I'm saying is

4183
03:20:03,600 --> 03:20:05,600
>> Yeah.

4184
03:20:05,600 --> 03:20:09,279
>> That That's what I'm That's what

4185
03:20:09,279 --> 03:20:10,160
Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

4186
03:20:10,160 --> 03:20:12,239
>> But that's that's the point. I I

4187
03:20:12,239 --> 03:20:14,640
apologize if I'm not communicating it

4188
03:20:14,640 --> 03:20:16,560
properly, but that's the point I'm

4189
03:20:16,560 --> 03:20:22,640
trying to make is the usage is up. I mean, we see it on

4190
03:20:22,640 --> 03:20:24,160
the intake side, right?

4191
03:20:24,160 --> 03:20:26,000
>> And we see it on the output side. So,

4192
03:20:26,000 --> 03:20:30,080
the usage is really up. So, to me, in my

4193
03:20:30,080 --> 03:20:32,560
simple brain, if you're running at an

4194
03:20:32,560 --> 03:20:35,279
increased pressure, then you're flowing

4195
03:20:35,279 --> 03:20:38,080
more. That that's the way

4196
03:20:38,080 --> 03:20:40,800
water works. And and

4197
03:20:40,800 --> 03:20:44,560
so if we're popping valves,

4198
03:20:44,560 --> 03:20:46,080
maybe there is something that we're

4199
03:20:46,080 --> 03:20:50,080
having pressure spikes at night when things are running because that's

4200
03:20:50,080 --> 03:20:51,200
when I run mine, too,

4201
03:20:51,200 --> 03:20:52,080
>> right?

4202
03:20:52,080 --> 03:20:54,960
>> But maybe that pressure is spiking

4203
03:20:54,960 --> 03:20:57,439
>> because, you know, nobody in Witchaw is

4204
03:20:57,439 --> 03:20:59,439
using I don't know.

4205
03:20:59,439 --> 03:21:01,680
>> Maybe it's a possibility. Would Thomas

4206
03:21:01,680 --> 03:21:04,000
have access to that kind of data on the

4207
03:21:04,000 --> 03:21:05,600
pressures or does it have to

4208
03:21:05,600 --> 03:21:07,920
>> He told me he told me there's no change

4209
03:21:07,920 --> 03:21:10,640
in our pressure but Thomas isn't

4210
03:21:10,640 --> 03:21:13,439
measuring the middle of the night. He

4211
03:21:13,439 --> 03:21:16,000
goes and looks and says that but I don't

4212
03:21:16,000 --> 03:21:17,840
know if we have that data.

4213
03:21:17,840 --> 03:21:19,760
>> Well, we had the water study that we

4214
03:21:19,760 --> 03:21:21,200
that he

4215
03:21:21,200 --> 03:21:23,120
>> that they gave us recently that talked

4216
03:21:23,120 --> 03:21:24,720
about the different times in the peak

4217
03:21:24,720 --> 03:21:27,120
hours and what the what the spikes were.

4218
03:21:27,120 --> 03:21:27,359
Right.

4219
03:21:27,359 --> 03:21:29,200
>> But I don't I think it's worth

4220
03:21:29,200 --> 03:21:31,359
investigating. Okay. Do we have

4221
03:21:31,359 --> 03:21:31,760
>> Yeah.

4222
03:21:31,760 --> 03:21:33,279
>> pressure spikes? Are we having an

4223
03:21:33,279 --> 03:21:35,120
increased system pressure that

4224
03:21:35,120 --> 03:21:36,720
everything is flowing more?

4225
03:21:36,720 --> 03:21:37,600
>> Yeah.

4226
03:21:37,600 --> 03:21:39,279
>> Well, and I think one of the things for

4227
03:21:39,279 --> 03:21:40,640
me personally because we have an

4228
03:21:40,640 --> 03:21:43,279
irrigation well and we have a lot of air

4229
03:21:43,279 --> 03:21:46,399
in our well line that it spits out a lot

4230
03:21:46,399 --> 03:21:48,640
of air before it gets to water. I don't

4231
03:21:48,640 --> 03:21:50,960
normally have that in my city hose line,

4232
03:21:50,960 --> 03:21:54,080
but I have noticed this summer if I use

4233
03:21:54,080 --> 03:21:56,239
my regular hose, I have a lot more air

4234
03:21:56,239 --> 03:22:00,479
in my hose line. So, and to my house

4235
03:22:00,479 --> 03:22:02,000
that hooks up to city water. Yeah.

4236
03:22:02,000 --> 03:22:04,560
Because I have two spets that are city

4237
03:22:04,560 --> 03:22:07,040
water, but I have noticed I'm having

4238
03:22:07,040 --> 03:22:08,560
more air and it's like when it starts

4239
03:22:08,560 --> 03:22:10,239
up, it's like I'm getting a lot of air

4240
03:22:10,239 --> 03:22:11,600
through it. And I'm like, what in the

4241
03:22:11,600 --> 03:22:13,200
world is happening in my city line

4242
03:22:13,200 --> 03:22:15,279
because my well line does that getting

4243
03:22:15,279 --> 03:22:17,359
going, but my city line doesn't usually

4244
03:22:17,359 --> 03:22:20,000
do that. So, it's just something I

4245
03:22:20,000 --> 03:22:22,000
noticed this summer. And I will say kind

4246
03:22:22,000 --> 03:22:24,479
of piggybacking on what Todd said that I

4247
03:22:24,479 --> 03:22:26,399
did when when I asked you guys I said

4248
03:22:26,399 --> 03:22:28,800
what is your historic usage and I said

4249
03:22:28,800 --> 03:22:30,960
and don't look at one year because we

4250
03:22:30,960 --> 03:22:33,520
have one year on the on the bill right

4251
03:22:33,520 --> 03:22:35,600
>> look back if you have that kind of

4252
03:22:35,600 --> 03:22:37,760
information and I know some people keep

4253
03:22:37,760 --> 03:22:39,920
their bills and some people as soon as

4254
03:22:39,920 --> 03:22:42,080
you write the check and it clears it's

4255
03:22:42,080 --> 03:22:45,040
gone. Um like I said I I heard Dennis

4256
03:22:45,040 --> 03:22:47,760
say he had 25 years worth of bills. Um I

4257
03:22:47,760 --> 03:22:51,040
think my husband has about 22 2

4258
03:22:51,040 --> 03:22:53,920
12 years. I don't know when he he we

4259
03:22:53,920 --> 03:22:55,279
every once in a while I'm like, "Okay,

4260
03:22:55,279 --> 03:22:56,960
we don't need that anymore. We're we're

4261
03:22:56,960 --> 03:22:58,800
good with it." But it is good to look

4262
03:22:58,800 --> 03:23:00,560
back and say, "What has changed?"

4263
03:23:00,560 --> 03:23:02,000
Because I can guarantee you that when my

4264
03:23:02,000 --> 03:23:03,600
three kids moved out, yeah, my water

4265
03:23:03,600 --> 03:23:06,080
went down. But looking at those and

4266
03:23:06,080 --> 03:23:07,760
being able to kind of say, "Oh yeah,

4267
03:23:07,760 --> 03:23:10,479
last year was a was a rainy year. We

4268
03:23:10,479 --> 03:23:12,000
didn't have to run the sprinkler where

4269
03:23:12,000 --> 03:23:13,680
the year before when the water

4270
03:23:13,680 --> 03:23:15,439
restrictions were very first put into

4271
03:23:15,439 --> 03:23:17,760
place." Yeah. What did that compare to?

4272
03:23:17,760 --> 03:23:19,920
So that but we when we have that to look

4273
03:23:19,920 --> 03:23:22,239
at and if you don't and I think that's

4274
03:23:22,239 --> 03:23:25,359
what the city staff was was trying to

4275
03:23:25,359 --> 03:23:29,840
help provide so that you could get that picture.

4276
03:23:29,840 --> 03:23:31,920
So I know that that's important. I do

4277
03:23:31,920 --> 03:23:33,760
also when we're talking about looking at

4278
03:23:33,760 --> 03:23:36,160
the system, I do think we need to look

4279
03:23:36,160 --> 03:23:39,439
to make sure that between the electronic

4280
03:23:39,439 --> 03:23:43,600
reads and the utility billing that there

4281
03:23:43,600 --> 03:23:46,080
isn't something. I mean, I know that

4282
03:23:46,080 --> 03:23:48,800
there's there has been times where a new

4283
03:23:48,800 --> 03:23:50,960
meter gets put in and the truncation for

4284
03:23:50,960 --> 03:23:52,800
some reason didn't get switched

4285
03:23:52,800 --> 03:23:54,560
correctly in it. But then those are your

4286
03:23:54,560 --> 03:23:57,359
oneoffs, not a systemwide. but just to

4287
03:23:57,359 --> 03:23:59,439
make sure that we're we're checking in

4288
03:23:59,439 --> 03:24:02,960
and doing our due diligence for you.

4289
03:24:02,960 --> 03:24:04,960
>> So, council, I guess we're at a point. I

4290
03:24:04,960 --> 03:24:06,880
think we've discussed this pretty well.

4291
03:24:06,880 --> 03:24:10,160
Um, I'm going to put it out to you. Are

4292
03:24:10,160 --> 03:24:13,120
you in agreement? Would you like to see

4293
03:24:13,120 --> 03:24:15,200
an independent investigation happen for

4294
03:24:15,200 --> 03:24:16,399
the system? Okay.

4295
03:24:16,399 --> 03:24:18,080
>> Yes.

4296
03:24:18,080 --> 03:24:20,800
>> All right. Do we need a motion for that?

4297
03:24:20,800 --> 03:24:23,120
>> No. Well, we'll continue.

4298
03:24:23,120 --> 03:24:27,760
>> I'm just just asking what we need.

4299
03:24:27,760 --> 03:24:28,880
and then look for

4300
03:24:28,880 --> 03:24:30,000
>> something.

4301
03:24:30,000 --> 03:24:32,399
>> Yep. And put it out for bid. So, that's

4302
03:24:32,399 --> 03:24:33,920
where we are tonight, folks. I'm sorry

4303
03:24:33,920 --> 03:24:35,760
we can't answer all your questions, but

4304
03:24:35,760 --> 03:24:37,600
that is where we are tonight. We are

4305
03:24:37,600 --> 03:24:39,359
going to work on it and we will continue

4306
03:24:39,359 --> 03:24:42,000
to communicate. We can even put updates

4307
03:24:42,000 --> 03:24:44,239
out um if there's something in between

4308
03:24:44,239 --> 03:24:47,279
meetings. We the city can put out an

4309
03:24:47,279 --> 03:24:49,120
update if there's something that they

4310
03:24:49,120 --> 03:24:51,760
have to share. Um otherwise, it would

4311
03:24:51,760 --> 03:24:53,120
potentially be brought up at the next

4312
03:24:53,120 --> 03:24:55,600
council meeting. So,

4313
03:24:55,600 --> 03:24:57,680
>> are we good? Thank you all so much. And

4314
03:24:57,680 --> 03:24:58,640
you know what? Thank you for being

4315
03:24:58,640 --> 03:25:01,200
respectful. Thank you for

4316
03:25:01,200 --> 03:25:03,120
>> sharing what you needed to share. And

4317
03:25:03,120 --> 03:25:05,439
even though you're angry, that you

4318
03:25:05,439 --> 03:25:07,120
really did it respectfully. And I'm

4319
03:25:07,120 --> 03:25:15,030
really, really thankful for all of you.

4320
03:25:15,040 --> 03:25:16,399
» Well, it will eventually. It's going to

4321
03:25:16,399 --> 03:25:19,359
take some time. Um, you know, we are

4322
03:25:19,359 --> 03:25:21,840
going to resolve it tomorrow, but it's

4323
03:25:21,840 --> 03:25:25,600
like what? Well, let let's talk about

4324
03:25:25,600 --> 03:25:27,520
the Matt. I think one of the things you

4325
03:25:27,520 --> 03:25:32,880
said was um or maybe mention to me, but

4326
03:25:32,880 --> 03:25:35,439
everybody checking your meter, which I

4327
03:25:35,439 --> 03:25:36,239
do

4328
03:25:36,239 --> 03:25:38,479
>> regularly, but checking your meter at

4329
03:25:38,479 --> 03:25:40,239
the first of the month. I know I know

4330
03:25:40,239 --> 03:25:42,319
we've talked about it's kind of we're

4331
03:25:42,319 --> 03:25:44,239
into it.

4332
03:25:44,239 --> 03:25:46,640
>> Make sure you make sure you check that.

4333
03:25:46,640 --> 03:25:49,680
Um, I've honestly I've experienced this

4334
03:25:49,680 --> 03:25:53,040
a lot of times is like every every year

4335
03:25:53,040 --> 03:25:55,120
I get my July water bill and I'm

4336
03:25:55,120 --> 03:25:57,600
shutting off the sprinklers because I we

4337
03:25:57,600 --> 03:25:59,200
could we used to have a well when we

4338
03:25:59,200 --> 03:26:01,920
lived before and it was wonderful. But

4339
03:26:01,920 --> 03:26:06,319
so I I get it. But we are we are very

4340
03:26:06,319 --> 03:26:08,800
much looking to try to find what's

4341
03:26:08,800 --> 03:26:11,439
wrong. And I guess I would request,

4342
03:26:11,439 --> 03:26:12,880
could we go ahead and put something out

4343
03:26:12,880 --> 03:26:14,960
to the community on the Facebook page or

4344
03:26:14,960 --> 03:26:18,800
even the website that says if you have

4345
03:26:18,800 --> 03:26:21,760
not reported a high water bill for July,

4346
03:26:21,760 --> 03:26:24,800
please contact city hall.

4347
03:26:24,800 --> 03:26:26,479
I would really appreciate that. So we

4348
03:26:26,479 --> 03:26:27,840
can try to and you know if you have

4349
03:26:27,840 --> 03:26:29,520
neighbors around you or you haven't

4350
03:26:29,520 --> 03:26:31,760
reported um you don't necessarily have

4351
03:26:31,760 --> 03:26:33,120
to come into city hall. You could just

4352
03:26:33,120 --> 03:26:35,760
call, right? Okay. So if if it's easier

4353
03:26:35,760 --> 03:26:38,160
just to call please so we can get as

4354
03:26:38,160 --> 03:26:39,920
many of these high bills recorded as

4355
03:26:39,920 --> 03:26:41,600
possible and get your neighbors to do

4356
03:26:41,600 --> 03:26:43,680
the same thing so we can get a better

4357
03:26:43,680 --> 03:26:46,960
picture of what is happening. So thank

4358
03:26:46,960 --> 03:26:47,920
you everybody

4359
03:26:47,920 --> 03:26:51,040
>> and if anybody hears anything else about

4360
03:26:51,040 --> 03:26:53,200
spikes or spike issues or

4361
03:26:53,200 --> 03:26:53,920
>> or valves

4362
03:26:53,920 --> 03:26:57,200
>> or valve blowing please let Thomas let

4363
03:26:57,200 --> 03:26:59,120
city know let Thomas know as soon as

4364
03:26:59,120 --> 03:27:01,200
possible because that might that might

4365
03:27:01,200 --> 03:27:05,110
be part of the puzzle.

4366
03:27:05,120 --> 03:27:06,560
Okay, we have a little bit of city

4367
03:27:06,560 --> 03:27:07,920
business to finish. And if you guys want

4368
03:27:07,920 --> 03:27:09,600
to take off, please feel free to go.

4369
03:27:09,600 --> 03:27:11,920
Have a wonderful evening. What?

4370
03:27:11,920 --> 03:27:14,560
>> You don't want to hang out? Oh my gosh.

4371
03:27:14,560 --> 03:27:15,920
>> Thank you for enduring this far.

4372
03:27:15,920 --> 03:27:16,960
>> Thank you.

4373
03:27:16,960 --> 03:27:19,040
>> Okay, we have three pretty quick last

4374
03:27:19,040 --> 03:27:22,150
items.

4375
03:27:22,160 --> 03:27:25,040
» Whoops.

4376
03:27:25,040 --> 03:27:26,399
>> And if you could do me a favor, if you

4377
03:27:26,399 --> 03:27:28,319
guys want to chat, just chat outside so

4378
03:27:28,319 --> 03:27:32,319
we can finish up, please.

4379
03:27:32,319 --> 03:27:34,640
Okay. So, we're going to move on to the

4380
03:27:34,640 --> 03:27:36,720
next item. PEC inspection contract.

4381
03:27:36,720 --> 03:27:40,720
Young industrial fourth water and sewer.

4382
03:27:40,720 --> 03:27:44,880
>> Council, this is an inspection agreement

4383
03:27:44,880 --> 03:27:46,880
for the Young Industrial Fourth, which

4384
03:27:46,880 --> 03:27:50,160
is the SEAL lab project.

4385
03:27:50,160 --> 03:27:52,720
The cost of this will be paid through

4386
03:27:52,720 --> 03:27:54,800
the temp notes that were issued for that

4387
03:27:54,800 --> 03:27:57,830
project.

4388
03:27:57,840 --> 03:27:59,520
It's the city's assurance that things

4389
03:27:59,520 --> 03:28:01,040
are being installed correctly when it

4390
03:28:01,040 --> 03:28:07,190
comes to the water.

4391
03:28:07,200 --> 03:28:09,279
» Any questions, council? If not, I would

4392
03:28:09,279 --> 03:28:12,000
entertain a motion.

4393
03:28:12,000 --> 03:28:14,560
>> I move we approve the PEC inspection

4394
03:28:14,560 --> 03:28:16,800
agreement as presented and authorize the

4395
03:28:16,800 --> 03:28:18,080
mayor to sign.

4396
03:28:18,080 --> 03:28:20,000
>> Second motion by council member

4397
03:28:20,000 --> 03:28:21,520
Headstrom, second by council member

4398
03:28:21,520 --> 03:28:23,200
Baldridge. All in favor?

4399
03:28:23,200 --> 03:28:26,319
>> I. Motion passes 300.

4400
03:28:26,319 --> 03:28:28,479
Moving on to budget hearing publication

4401
03:28:28,479 --> 03:28:30,560
authorization.

4402
03:28:30,560 --> 03:28:38,960
>> Council, like we discussed at the budget workshop, uh we need to

4403
03:28:38,960 --> 03:28:41,600
publish the budget hearing for September

4404
03:28:41,600 --> 03:28:43,600
10th as part of the budget process. This

4405
03:28:43,600 --> 03:28:45,920
is not adopting the budget. This is just

4406
03:28:45,920 --> 03:28:54,469
publishing

4407
03:28:54,479 --> 03:28:56,800
So I guess this is also a discussion if

4408
03:28:56,800 --> 03:28:58,800
you're only doing one or if you're also

4409
03:28:58,800 --> 03:29:00,399
adding in the revenue neutral rate

4410
03:29:00,399 --> 03:29:01,279
hearing.

4411
03:29:01,279 --> 03:29:04,160
>> Yeah.

4412
03:29:04,160 --> 03:29:11,990
The direction we felt we were given like

4413
03:29:12,000 --> 03:29:14,080
» budget which we've been working on and

4414
03:29:14,080 --> 03:29:16,399
that's

4415
03:29:16,399 --> 03:29:20,319
lower our mill levy by 1.5.

4416
03:29:20,319 --> 03:29:21,200
Okay.

4417
03:29:21,200 --> 03:29:25,279
>> So, is it what what was the 4%?

4418
03:29:25,279 --> 03:29:28,160
>> Well, I guess I should

4419
03:29:28,160 --> 03:29:29,920
>> Is it Well, no.

4420
03:29:29,920 --> 03:29:32,000
>> Taking it down to

4421
03:29:32,000 --> 03:29:33,040
>> Excuse me.

4422
03:29:33,040 --> 03:29:35,359
>> You said it was a 4.14 said it was a

4423
03:29:35,359 --> 03:29:38,080
4.1% reduction and you're saying it's a

4424
03:29:38,080 --> 03:29:39,359
1% reduction.

4425
03:29:39,359 --> 03:29:41,840
>> Or do you mean one mil?

4426
03:29:41,840 --> 03:29:44,160
>> One. Okay. You said percent.

4427
03:29:44,160 --> 03:29:46,160
>> 1.5. Okay. I That's where

4428
03:29:46,160 --> 03:29:48,000
>> mills.

4429
03:29:48,000 --> 03:29:51,680
>> Okay. So down 1.5 mills to okay

4430
03:29:51,680 --> 03:29:52,960
>> revenue neutral rate.

4431
03:29:52,960 --> 03:29:55,520
>> Yes. Okay. But I just it's like wait a

4432
03:29:55,520 --> 03:29:59,120
minute. Okay. I'm hearing things.

4433
03:29:59,120 --> 03:30:02,479
Okay. So 1.5

4434
03:30:02,479 --> 03:30:07,030
mills.

4435
03:30:07,040 --> 03:30:09,520
I mean I know personally

4436
03:30:09,520 --> 03:30:11,439
>> I was in favor of the revenue neutral

4437
03:30:11,439 --> 03:30:12,800
rate.

4438
03:30:12,800 --> 03:30:15,680
Um,

4439
03:30:15,680 --> 03:30:17,600
I was concerned when I found out there's

4440
03:30:17,600 --> 03:30:19,359
could be a potential of sales tax

4441
03:30:19,359 --> 03:30:21,680
difference and that's why we asked for

4442
03:30:21,680 --> 03:30:25,040
that information and and we don't have

4443
03:30:25,040 --> 03:30:25,279
it.

4444
03:30:25,279 --> 03:30:26,399
>> It's not available.

4445
03:30:26,399 --> 03:30:28,479
>> So,

4446
03:30:28,479 --> 03:30:31,750
um,

4447
03:30:31,760 --> 03:30:34,880
I don't know. It's up to council

4448
03:30:34,880 --> 03:30:36,880
>> whether we want to consider just leaving

4449
03:30:36,880 --> 03:30:38,880
the flat for now and having a revenue

4450
03:30:38,880 --> 03:30:41,040
neutral rate hearing giving us time to

4451
03:30:41,040 --> 03:30:43,760
make sure we have that information or

4452
03:30:43,760 --> 03:30:46,960
>> I'm I'm not opposed to it but anything

4453
03:30:46,960 --> 03:30:49,920
everything is said

4454
03:30:49,920 --> 03:30:52,399
again it's forecasting so we don't know

4455
03:30:52,399 --> 03:30:55,600
what exactly happen

4456
03:30:55,600 --> 03:30:57,680
>> I can't I didn't hear anything that

4457
03:30:57,680 --> 03:31:00,399
would make me change my position to

4458
03:31:00,399 --> 03:31:02,160
raising

4459
03:31:02,160 --> 03:31:04,239
I'm pretty comfortable with

4460
03:31:04,239 --> 03:31:06,399
>> Okay.

4461
03:31:06,399 --> 03:31:09,200
>> If if you absolutely want that. I I

4462
03:31:09,200 --> 03:31:12,960
guess I'm just gonna say I I just

4463
03:31:12,960 --> 03:31:15,200
>> I would have liked to have known what

4464
03:31:15,200 --> 03:31:20,880
that what that amount looks like when we're looking at the sales tax

4465
03:31:20,880 --> 03:31:23,359
because our sales tax is a healthy

4466
03:31:23,359 --> 03:31:25,279
portion

4467
03:31:25,279 --> 03:31:28,720
um of what we get because we're looking

4468
03:31:28,720 --> 03:31:32,319
at a total of between the um the state

4469
03:31:32,319 --> 03:31:34,560
sales tax, the local sales tax because

4470
03:31:34,560 --> 03:31:35,920
I'm not going to throw the liquor tax

4471
03:31:35,920 --> 03:31:38,000
into that, but we're looking at right

4472
03:31:38,000 --> 03:32:04,150
Now that's just under a million dollars.

4473
03:32:04,160 --> 03:32:14,790
from what he said.

4474
03:32:14,800 --> 03:32:16,880
It's like someone like said is it is it

4475
03:32:16,880 --> 03:32:20,080
gonna I I'm just I don't know if it if

4476
03:32:20,080 --> 03:32:22,640
it drops the same percentage because

4477
03:32:22,640 --> 03:32:25,200
when I looked up the formula, it's going

4478
03:32:25,200 --> 03:32:28,479
to be our assess. It's it's a it is a

4479
03:32:28,479 --> 03:32:31,680
ratio of of what the county um property

4480
03:32:31,680 --> 03:32:35,200
tax is and what ours is. And so if ours

4481
03:32:35,200 --> 03:32:35,840
is

4482
03:32:35,840 --> 03:32:38,560
>> you said theirs is 400,000 and they

4483
03:32:38,560 --> 03:32:40,319
would be a very small percentage of

4484
03:32:40,319 --> 03:32:40,720
that.

4485
03:32:40,720 --> 03:32:42,319
>> Yeah, their their overall loss was going

4486
03:32:42,319 --> 03:32:44,640
to be projected to be around 600,000 a

4487
03:32:44,640 --> 03:32:46,479
little over 600,000.

4488
03:32:46,479 --> 03:32:49,359
>> So So we're just a percent of that 600

4489
03:32:49,359 --> 03:32:51,120
600,000. So

4490
03:32:51,120 --> 03:32:52,880
>> going forward, I would like us to find

4491
03:32:52,880 --> 03:32:55,680
out what that formula is so that in the

4492
03:32:55,680 --> 03:32:58,080
future that if we do this again in the

4493
03:32:58,080 --> 03:33:00,880
future that it's it's something that we

4494
03:33:00,880 --> 03:33:03,760
actually can forecast pretty well to be

4495
03:33:03,760 --> 03:33:05,760
like, okay, we know that we have the

4496
03:33:05,760 --> 03:33:08,239
possibility of losing this much money in

4497
03:33:08,239 --> 03:33:09,520
sales tax because this is what we're

4498
03:33:09,520 --> 03:33:10,960
choosing to do.

4499
03:33:10,960 --> 03:33:13,200
>> And I mean,

4500
03:33:13,200 --> 03:33:16,000
yeah, I'm like I said, I was I'm all for

4501
03:33:16,000 --> 03:33:19,600
the revenue neutral rate. I voted

4502
03:33:19,600 --> 03:33:22,000
against increasing it to begin with. So

4503
03:33:22,000 --> 03:33:22,960
>> y

4504
03:33:22,960 --> 03:33:25,040
>> I just was asking the questions because

4505
03:33:25,040 --> 03:33:26,880
at that point in time I didn't know that

4506
03:33:26,880 --> 03:33:29,680
the sales tax would be imp impacted or

4507
03:33:29,680 --> 03:33:32,720
to what degree. So

4508
03:33:32,720 --> 03:33:35,359
>> I'm fine and if we can live with it.

4509
03:33:35,359 --> 03:33:37,120
>> So we're just doing the one hearing

4510
03:33:37,120 --> 03:33:40,239
then. Is that correct?

4511
03:33:40,239 --> 03:33:43,520
>> Okay. Okay. So do we just need a motion

4512
03:33:43,520 --> 03:33:44,880
to approve that to authorize

4513
03:33:44,880 --> 03:33:46,239
publication?

4514
03:33:46,239 --> 03:33:49,670
>> Okay.

4515
03:33:49,680 --> 03:33:51,600
I move we approve the budget hearing

4516
03:33:51,600 --> 03:33:54,560
publication authorization

4517
03:33:54,560 --> 03:33:56,479
>> as presented.

4518
03:33:56,479 --> 03:33:58,479
>> Presented.

4519
03:33:58,479 --> 03:34:00,479
>> Oh, did you second it? Okay.

4520
03:34:00,479 --> 03:34:02,319
>> Motion by council member Headstrom,

4521
03:34:02,319 --> 03:34:03,840
second by council member Baldridge. All

4522
03:34:03,840 --> 03:34:04,880
in favor?

4523
03:34:04,880 --> 03:34:07,200
>> I. Motion passes 30.

4524
03:34:07,200 --> 03:34:10,880
>> Okay. Moving on to item DLKM. Voting

4525
03:34:10,880 --> 03:34:13,840
delegate.

4526
03:34:13,840 --> 03:34:15,439
>> Mayor and council. This was the mayor

4527
03:34:15,439 --> 03:34:16,960
had asked us to put this on at the last

4528
03:34:16,960 --> 03:34:18,479
minute. I've looked into it just a

4529
03:34:18,479 --> 03:34:20,479
little bit, uh, discussed it internally

4530
03:34:20,479 --> 03:34:25,760
with staff. Um, I guess what I would ask until we get a

4531
03:34:25,760 --> 03:34:28,399
little more information on this. We have

4532
03:34:28,399 --> 03:34:34,469
council designate that person.

4533
03:34:34,479 --> 03:34:36,000
» Do we have enough time to still make the

4534
03:34:36,000 --> 03:34:36,479
deadline?

4535
03:34:36,479 --> 03:34:38,080
>> The deadline.

4536
03:34:38,080 --> 03:34:41,359
>> Okay. Okay. Yeah. I don't know if anyone

4537
03:34:41,359 --> 03:34:42,800
else I mean you have to attend the

4538
03:34:42,800 --> 03:34:44,880
conference in order to be a delegate for

4539
03:34:44,880 --> 03:34:46,319
your city.

4540
03:34:46,319 --> 03:34:47,760
>> So I don't know if anybody else is

4541
03:34:47,760 --> 03:34:48,640
registered to go.

4542
03:34:48,640 --> 03:34:51,120
>> No, I just And was this a this was a

4543
03:34:51,120 --> 03:34:52,319
last minute ad?

4544
03:34:52,319 --> 03:34:53,439
>> It was a last minute ad.

4545
03:34:53,439 --> 03:34:54,640
>> Okay. Because I was going to say yeah, I

4546
03:34:54,640 --> 03:34:56,800
didn't have any information on it. So So

4547
03:34:56,800 --> 03:34:58,399
that our city has representation in

4548
03:34:58,399 --> 03:34:59,920
voting on policy.

4549
03:34:59,920 --> 03:35:03,439
>> So okay. So do you need a motion to

4550
03:35:03,439 --> 03:35:06,479
table it or is this tabled?

4551
03:35:06,479 --> 03:35:09,200
>> Okay. So a motion to table. I make a

4552
03:35:09,200 --> 03:35:11,680
motion that we table the LKM voting

4553
03:35:11,680 --> 03:35:13,840
delegate.

4554
03:35:13,840 --> 03:35:15,600
>> Motion by council member Morland, second

4555
03:35:15,600 --> 03:35:17,359
by council member Hedstrom. All in

4556
03:35:17,359 --> 03:35:18,319
favor?

4557
03:35:18,319 --> 03:35:18,960
>> I.

4558
03:35:18,960 --> 03:35:21,920
>> Motion passes 30. Moving on to council

4559
03:35:21,920 --> 03:35:25,439
reports, discussion and requests. Um I

4560
03:35:25,439 --> 03:35:27,600
brought up several things with the CIP

4561
03:35:27,600 --> 03:35:31,439
last time and

4562
03:35:31,439 --> 03:35:32,720
I guess I feel like there's no

4563
03:35:32,720 --> 03:35:36,319
clarification on how we're actually

4564
03:35:36,319 --> 03:35:37,840
moving forward with this. There's been

4565
03:35:37,840 --> 03:35:40,720
no discussion with council whether we're

4566
03:35:40,720 --> 03:35:42,800
leaving it as is. Are we going to work

4567
03:35:42,800 --> 03:35:46,880
on this document? Um because I mean I

4568
03:35:46,880 --> 03:35:49,600
heard

4569
03:35:49,600 --> 03:35:52,080
Thomas share that he doesn't really need

4570
03:35:52,080 --> 03:35:56,319
his items in here until he finds out

4571
03:35:56,319 --> 03:35:57,840
what's happening with the public works

4572
03:35:57,840 --> 03:36:01,520
facility. So, um, and then there was

4573
03:36:01,520 --> 03:36:04,800
questions about

4574
03:36:04,800 --> 03:36:06,800
a sidewalk master plan, which is in for

4575
03:36:06,800 --> 03:36:10,640
next year. We already have a sidewalk

4576
03:36:10,640 --> 03:36:12,160
plan with the arts and business district

4577
03:36:12,160 --> 03:36:14,479
as well as the corridor improvements.

4578
03:36:14,479 --> 03:36:19,040
So, there's there's just questions about

4579
03:36:19,040 --> 03:36:22,000
what should be included.

4580
03:36:22,000 --> 03:36:23,920
>> I think the important thing to remember

4581
03:36:23,920 --> 03:36:27,750
with the

4582
03:36:27,760 --> 03:36:35,670
use it

4583
03:36:35,680 --> 03:36:56,469
We do anything toast.

4584
03:36:56,479 --> 03:36:59,920
Well, it usually you'll utilize the CIP

4585
03:36:59,920 --> 03:37:03,200
for determining what plans you're going

4586
03:37:03,200 --> 03:37:06,640
to pursue. So,

4587
03:37:06,640 --> 03:37:08,880
it's it is a living document, but at the

4588
03:37:08,880 --> 03:37:12,880
same time, you are identifying specific

4589
03:37:12,880 --> 03:37:14,960
projects or

4590
03:37:14,960 --> 03:37:18,000
equipment that you are planning, that's

4591
03:37:18,000 --> 03:37:21,120
why this is all planned out to purchase

4592
03:37:21,120 --> 03:37:25,600
at certain times. So I guess for me with

4593
03:37:25,600 --> 03:37:27,040
the corridor improvement and the

4594
03:37:27,040 --> 03:37:30,640
sidewalk master plan to me

4595
03:37:30,640 --> 03:37:32,080
that would be like arts and business

4596
03:37:32,080 --> 03:37:34,720
district phase two. I mean it wouldn't

4597
03:37:34,720 --> 03:37:36,239
be broken. We don't need a sidewalk

4598
03:37:36,239 --> 03:37:39,279
master plan. We already have one and all

4599
03:37:39,279 --> 03:37:40,640
we that would be are we going to change

4600
03:37:40,640 --> 03:37:44,479
it to monies for PEC to design the next

4601
03:37:44,479 --> 03:37:47,840
phase. So, I'm saying to me this does

4602
03:37:47,840 --> 03:37:50,640
not represent necessarily what we are

4603
03:37:50,640 --> 03:37:54,000
looking at for our future planning for

4604
03:37:54,000 --> 03:37:55,439
capital improvement for all of these

4605
03:37:55,439 --> 03:37:55,920
items.

4606
03:37:55,920 --> 03:38:00,710
>> What would you like us to adjust?

4607
03:38:00,720 --> 03:38:03,439
» I guess I can state it again. Um, the

4608
03:38:03,439 --> 03:38:04,960
corridor improvement and the sidewalk

4609
03:38:04,960 --> 03:38:06,720
master plan, that's the arts and

4610
03:38:06,720 --> 03:38:10,319
business district phase two

4611
03:38:10,319 --> 03:38:12,479
and that would be pursuing WMO funding

4612
03:38:12,479 --> 03:38:14,399
grants. But I also asked a question

4613
03:38:14,399 --> 03:38:17,040
earlier in the budget workshop. We don't

4614
03:38:17,040 --> 03:38:21,279
have an idea yet of when the first phase

4615
03:38:21,279 --> 03:38:23,200
is going to be paid. When are we going

4616
03:38:23,200 --> 03:38:25,200
to start paying for it and when is the

4617
03:38:25,200 --> 03:38:26,720
forecast of when it's going to be paid

4618
03:38:26,720 --> 03:38:28,880
off? Yes, we're going to start working

4619
03:38:28,880 --> 03:38:31,840
potentially on phase two,

4620
03:38:31,840 --> 03:38:36,080
but we have to know when monies are

4621
03:38:36,080 --> 03:38:37,840
going to be available and how to

4622
03:38:37,840 --> 03:38:40,399
forecast when that's feasible with the

4623
03:38:40,399 --> 03:38:43,520
1% sales tax. So, and I know that for

4624
03:38:43,520 --> 03:38:47,600
not I don't know or we don't know what

4625
03:38:47,600 --> 03:38:49,359
is our current balance.

4626
03:38:49,359 --> 03:38:51,680
>> No, with our with our 1% what is the

4627
03:38:51,680 --> 03:38:55,910
balance in that fund?

4628
03:38:55,920 --> 03:38:57,439
» I don't know.

4629
03:38:57,439 --> 03:38:59,760
>> Okay. Well, it just

4630
03:38:59,760 --> 03:39:04,070
>> provide that.

4631
03:39:04,080 --> 03:39:08,550
» Okay. I I

4632
03:39:08,560 --> 03:39:15,110
» was always more than we expected.

4633
03:39:15,120 --> 03:39:16,399
» That's why it's like can we pay it off

4634
03:39:16,399 --> 03:39:17,760
like in three years? I mean is that

4635
03:39:17,760 --> 03:39:20,319
going to be a fast payoff if you know

4636
03:39:20,319 --> 03:39:21,840
the sales tax keeps coming in and it's

4637
03:39:21,840 --> 03:39:23,680
like if that's the case it's like well

4638
03:39:23,680 --> 03:39:25,840
we need to start thinking about the next

4639
03:39:25,840 --> 03:39:26,880
phase then.

4640
03:39:26,880 --> 03:39:31,200
>> I mean I see the the sales tax that we

4641
03:39:31,200 --> 03:39:33,120
receive

4642
03:39:33,120 --> 03:39:34,960
but Is it split out?

4643
03:39:34,960 --> 03:39:36,399
>> No, that's not that's that's

4644
03:39:36,399 --> 03:39:37,600
>> that's what I keep asking for is to

4645
03:39:37,600 --> 03:39:45,510
split out. So that's that is not

4646
03:39:45,520 --> 03:39:50,000
because it is um it is a separate fund

4647
03:39:50,000 --> 03:39:54,000
>> right he's he's giving I just he has

4648
03:39:54,000 --> 03:39:55,279
shared with it separately

4649
03:39:55,279 --> 03:39:57,200
>> remember is that it's always comes in

4650
03:39:57,200 --> 03:39:57,920
higher

4651
03:39:57,920 --> 03:39:58,160
>> right

4652
03:39:58,160 --> 03:39:59,760
>> well and that's where

4653
03:39:59,760 --> 03:40:02,479
>> and the reason I'm bringing that up is

4654
03:40:02,479 --> 03:40:05,040
because we know that that the temporary

4655
03:40:05,040 --> 03:40:07,600
the temp note for that comes due this

4656
03:40:07,600 --> 03:40:08,880
year.

4657
03:40:08,880 --> 03:40:11,279
>> So, how much of that, and I know that's

4658
03:40:11,279 --> 03:40:12,640
going to be a discussion for a later

4659
03:40:12,640 --> 03:40:14,239
date, but it's also a discussion while

4660
03:40:14,239 --> 03:40:16,800
we're looking at budget, is how much of

4661
03:40:16,800 --> 03:40:19,439
that are we going to spend

4662
03:40:19,439 --> 03:40:22,000
on reducing the amount of the bond

4663
03:40:22,000 --> 03:40:23,600
overall?

4664
03:40:23,600 --> 03:40:25,120
>> So, right now, we're saying, okay, this

4665
03:40:25,120 --> 03:40:26,479
is how much the bond is going to cost,

4666
03:40:26,479 --> 03:40:28,399
but how much and how much can we do? We

4667
03:40:28,399 --> 03:40:30,080
do need to look at that. And so that's

4668
03:40:30,080 --> 03:40:32,319
where when I looked through here, I did

4669
03:40:32,319 --> 03:40:34,399
not find

4670
03:40:34,399 --> 03:40:38,720
the the line that shows the city portion

4671
03:40:38,720 --> 03:40:41,359
of the sales tax only. I mean, like I

4672
03:40:41,359 --> 03:40:43,279
said, the sales tax, the general sales

4673
03:40:43,279 --> 03:40:46,640
tax on the front,

4674
03:40:46,640 --> 03:40:49,760
that is not the 1% collected by the

4675
03:40:49,760 --> 03:40:57,510
city.

4676
03:40:57,520 --> 03:41:02,630
» And without

4677
03:41:02,640 --> 03:41:04,319
» well and and

4678
03:41:04,319 --> 03:41:07,359
>> so I and I guess that's where I

4679
03:41:07,359 --> 03:41:08,160
>> that's where I'm struggling

4680
03:41:08,160 --> 03:41:10,720
>> when we're looking forward to it and and

4681
03:41:10,720 --> 03:41:13,040
knowing that's part of our CIP that I

4682
03:41:13,040 --> 03:41:16,000
mean and it's not mentioned on the CIP

4683
03:41:16,000 --> 03:41:18,000
document that sales tax is even a part

4684
03:41:18,000 --> 03:41:19,920
of where that funding is going to come

4685
03:41:19,920 --> 03:41:20,640
from.

4686
03:41:20,640 --> 03:41:23,279
>> Great. Um, the other thing that I would

4687
03:41:23,279 --> 03:41:26,640
ask is when we have I know that we set

4688
03:41:26,640 --> 03:41:29,279
the parks by policy, but just like we

4689
03:41:29,279 --> 03:41:31,279
estimate, I would like to see an

4690
03:41:31,279 --> 03:41:32,960
estimate of how much annual goes in

4691
03:41:32,960 --> 03:41:35,040
there just like we have the annual for

4692
03:41:35,040 --> 03:41:37,040
the highway. So we have an amount

4693
03:41:37,040 --> 03:41:40,640
because I mean

4694
03:41:40,640 --> 03:41:43,439
I I I just I don't know how much that

4695
03:41:43,439 --> 03:41:45,040
and and I understand that this because

4696
03:41:45,040 --> 03:41:47,040
this is a living document that is just

4697
03:41:47,040 --> 03:41:48,640
going to be an estimate

4698
03:41:48,640 --> 03:41:50,800
>> but it would be good to see an estimate

4699
03:41:50,800 --> 03:41:52,560
there for the spending instead of just

4700
03:41:52,560 --> 03:41:54,479
well that's policy and I know it's going

4701
03:41:54,479 --> 03:41:56,479
to change based on the mill late mill

4702
03:41:56,479 --> 03:41:59,359
rate because it's based on the mill rate

4703
03:41:59,359 --> 03:42:02,000
but to have basically a general idea.

4704
03:42:02,000 --> 03:42:03,520
Um,

4705
03:42:03,520 --> 03:42:07,120
and then I'm I know that we have that

4706
03:42:07,120 --> 03:42:09,359
patrol vehicle

4707
03:42:09,359 --> 03:42:11,840
in there for 2027

4708
03:42:11,840 --> 03:42:15,040
and we had talked about as a council

4709
03:42:15,040 --> 03:42:17,040
>> not having a replacement vehicle until

4710
03:42:17,040 --> 03:42:19,200
2028.

4711
03:42:19,200 --> 03:42:30,150
>> And I

4712
03:42:30,160 --> 03:42:42,070
Okay.

4713
03:42:42,080 --> 03:42:46,469
» So, how do we make

4714
03:42:46,479 --> 03:42:48,000
» this?

4715
03:42:48,000 --> 03:42:50,160
>> And do we have a That's why we have

4716
03:42:50,160 --> 03:42:51,279
equipment reserve,

4717
03:42:51,279 --> 03:42:52,800
>> right? Does the police department have

4718
03:42:52,800 --> 03:42:54,800
an an equipment reserve

4719
03:42:54,800 --> 03:42:57,200
>> that they're building?

4720
03:42:57,200 --> 03:42:58,880
So, how do we

4721
03:42:58,880 --> 03:43:00,319
>> take it off?

4722
03:43:00,319 --> 03:43:02,479
>> No, I I'm just asking how are we

4723
03:43:02,479 --> 03:43:05,120
building how is that fund being built?

4724
03:43:05,120 --> 03:43:06,720
Because like the next time we say that

4725
03:43:06,720 --> 03:43:07,760
there's not going to be another one

4726
03:43:07,760 --> 03:43:10,000
until 2031.

4727
03:43:10,000 --> 03:43:12,239
>> So,

4728
03:43:12,239 --> 03:43:13,840
>> well, it was supposed to be

4729
03:43:13,840 --> 03:43:16,000
>> it says it said 28 and 31.

4730
03:43:16,000 --> 03:43:16,800
>> 28 and 31

4731
03:43:16,800 --> 03:43:23,670
>> and they're changing it to 27 and 31.

4732
03:43:23,680 --> 03:43:26,160
» I guess so. I'm asking how are we so

4733
03:43:26,160 --> 03:43:27,920
public works has built an equipment fund

4734
03:43:27,920 --> 03:43:31,600
for many years. So how how are we

4735
03:43:31,600 --> 03:43:34,000
building an equipment reserve fund then

4736
03:43:34,000 --> 03:43:37,359
for the police department and what is

4737
03:43:37,359 --> 03:43:40,560
being budgeted annually to go in there?

4738
03:43:40,560 --> 03:43:43,120
That's a question that I have.

4739
03:43:43,120 --> 03:43:47,269
>> Okay.

4740
03:43:47,279 --> 03:43:49,520
that. So, and then when we talked about

4741
03:43:49,520 --> 03:43:51,840
the public works, I mean, Thomas said

4742
03:43:51,840 --> 03:43:54,399
that if if we're going to do an

4743
03:43:54,399 --> 03:43:56,000
assessment,

4744
03:43:56,000 --> 03:43:57,920
he wouldn't be considering considering

4745
03:43:57,920 --> 03:44:01,520
any equipment until a decision is like

4746
03:44:01,520 --> 03:44:05,439
made after the assessment is done for

4747
03:44:05,439 --> 03:44:08,319
the utilities. So, it's like or that for

4748
03:44:08,319 --> 03:44:12,399
the potential facility. And so it's like

4749
03:44:12,399 --> 03:44:14,319
I mean I guess I heard him that he's

4750
03:44:14,319 --> 03:44:18,000
sort of just in a pause until

4751
03:44:18,000 --> 03:44:20,080
that occurs. So he's not planning to

4752
03:44:20,080 --> 03:44:21,600
move forward with purchasing any

4753
03:44:21,600 --> 03:44:23,439
equipment at this time. He even talked

4754
03:44:23,439 --> 03:44:26,160
about being able to rent something in

4755
03:44:26,160 --> 03:44:29,840
the meantime. So I guess this has to go

4756
03:44:29,840 --> 03:44:31,199
to the planning commission. I just want

4757
03:44:31,199 --> 03:44:32,720
to make sure we are presenting to the

4758
03:44:32,720 --> 03:44:35,279
planning commission for review and

4759
03:44:35,279 --> 03:44:37,439
approval prior to it coming back to the

4760
03:44:37,439 --> 03:44:40,479
council and that it reflects what the

4761
03:44:40,479 --> 03:44:43,920
council's actually looking

4762
03:44:43,920 --> 03:44:45,840
>> at.

4763
03:44:45,840 --> 03:44:52,950
Thomas

4764
03:44:52,960 --> 03:44:57,349
figured out what he

4765
03:44:57,359 --> 03:44:59,199
» took all the all of them off.

4766
03:44:59,199 --> 03:45:02,239
>> Well, the multi-use machine.

4767
03:45:02,239 --> 03:45:03,680
>> Oh, because he talked about even the

4768
03:45:03,680 --> 03:45:05,840
brine. I thought he said he wouldn't do

4769
03:45:05,840 --> 03:45:09,199
anything until

4770
03:45:09,199 --> 03:45:10,880
>> Yeah.

4771
03:45:10,880 --> 03:45:13,600
>> Okay.

4772
03:45:13,600 --> 03:45:16,960
And then I think we just have

4773
03:45:16,960 --> 03:45:18,880
generalities regarding the sewer and

4774
03:45:18,880 --> 03:45:23,359
water system improvements. It's like

4775
03:45:23,359 --> 03:45:28,080
are are we going to seek PEC to help us

4776
03:45:28,080 --> 03:45:29,680
work on some stage information so that

4777
03:45:29,680 --> 03:45:32,080
we have some idea of general costs

4778
03:45:32,080 --> 03:45:35,760
>> per potential expansion of the sewer and

4779
03:45:35,760 --> 03:45:38,560
water systems? Like I I just feel like

4780
03:45:38,560 --> 03:45:40,319
those are general numbers and it they're

4781
03:45:40,319 --> 03:45:42,000
going to be bonded out and it's like we

4782
03:45:42,000 --> 03:45:43,600
don't really have anything specific that

4783
03:45:43,600 --> 03:45:44,880
we're talking about.

4784
03:45:44,880 --> 03:45:47,120
>> So is and is that sewer improvement? So

4785
03:45:47,120 --> 03:45:50,560
that is not um sewer expansion that is

4786
03:45:50,560 --> 03:45:51,439
only sewer.

4787
03:45:51,439 --> 03:45:53,040
>> It says increased capacity.

4788
03:45:53,040 --> 03:45:56,560
>> So that well I I know but is that

4789
03:45:56,560 --> 03:45:58,720
>> increasing the capacity for the

4790
03:45:58,720 --> 03:46:00,800
infrastructure we currently have

4791
03:46:00,800 --> 03:46:04,080
>> or expanding the the infrastructure for

4792
03:46:04,080 --> 03:46:11,269
new development?

4793
03:46:11,279 --> 03:46:18,550
» Okay.

4794
03:46:18,560 --> 03:46:21,600
We need we need to have a plan

4795
03:46:21,600 --> 03:46:23,040
what we're looking

4796
03:46:23,040 --> 03:46:25,439
>> okay

4797
03:46:25,439 --> 03:46:30,160
>> so we're not saving towards that like we

4798
03:46:30,160 --> 03:46:33,199
are we like we do with the with the um

4799
03:46:33,199 --> 03:46:33,520
>> street

4800
03:46:33,520 --> 03:46:35,600
>> the streets

4801
03:46:35,600 --> 03:46:38,800
because the $50,000 so like on woodlon

4802
03:46:38,800 --> 03:46:40,319
overlay

4803
03:46:40,319 --> 03:46:43,520
that's $50,000 per year that we're

4804
03:46:43,520 --> 03:46:46,640
putting into it. So, I would ask that if

4805
03:46:46,640 --> 03:46:48,239
it's something that we are putting in

4806
03:46:48,239 --> 03:46:51,120
annually to build that fund that we

4807
03:46:51,120 --> 03:46:53,680
noted on here that way. So, like like I

4808
03:46:53,680 --> 03:46:55,040
said, for instance, that one, yeah,

4809
03:46:55,040 --> 03:46:58,080
we're putting $50,000 per year every

4810
03:46:58,080 --> 03:47:01,120
year because we know we're going to have it coming and we want something

4811
03:47:01,120 --> 03:47:04,319
saved up. Um, and the the same with the

4812
03:47:04,319 --> 03:47:06,319
park that that is how much is and I know

4813
03:47:06,319 --> 03:47:08,880
it says annual at the beginning, but

4814
03:47:08,880 --> 03:47:11,199
like the woodlon overlay, yes, we expect

4815
03:47:11,199 --> 03:47:14,160
to do it in 2031, but we are still

4816
03:47:14,160 --> 03:47:16,640
putting in $50,000 per year until that

4817
03:47:16,640 --> 03:47:23,910
time and we have been for a while.

4818
03:47:23,920 --> 03:47:25,520
» I guess how did you determine the

4819
03:47:25,520 --> 03:47:29,199
numbers for sewer and water?

4820
03:47:29,199 --> 03:47:33,040
>> I guess that's a question I have.

4821
03:47:33,040 --> 03:47:36,550
Okay.

4822
03:47:36,560 --> 03:47:38,479
And so

4823
03:47:38,479 --> 03:47:41,680
what is your thinking of Yeah. like not

4824
03:47:41,680 --> 03:47:43,359
trying to start building a fund up for

4825
03:47:43,359 --> 03:47:44,640
that? I know that had been talked about

4826
03:47:44,640 --> 03:47:48,239
a few years ago. Um that that was when a

4827
03:47:48,239 --> 03:47:54,950
large mill increase was proposed.

4828
03:47:54,960 --> 03:47:58,469
» Okay.

4829
03:47:58,479 --> 03:48:01,199
Okay.

4830
03:48:01,199 --> 03:48:03,359
So, is there a way that we can put in

4831
03:48:03,359 --> 03:48:06,000
here that yes, we that because we expect

4832
03:48:06,000 --> 03:48:09,199
a regular replacement for the vehicle to

4833
03:48:09,199 --> 03:48:13,030
be in 2028,

4834
03:48:13,040 --> 03:48:16,000
but still have something for a

4835
03:48:16,000 --> 03:48:17,760
contingency

4836
03:48:17,760 --> 03:48:19,760
because I feel like if we look at this

4837
03:48:19,760 --> 03:48:21,520
and it says, hey, we're getting a new

4838
03:48:21,520 --> 03:48:24,239
police car in 2027,

4839
03:48:24,239 --> 03:48:25,840
then we're like, okay, when do we get

4840
03:48:25,840 --> 03:48:28,080
the police car in 2027? And that's

4841
03:48:28,080 --> 03:48:29,760
actually part of our plan. that said I

4842
03:48:29,760 --> 03:48:32,560
mean that we are replacing a vehicle in

4843
03:48:32,560 --> 03:48:34,160
2027.

4844
03:48:34,160 --> 03:48:37,920
I would almost um

4845
03:48:37,920 --> 03:48:40,479
like wanted to say only in case of an

4846
03:48:40,479 --> 03:48:42,960
emergency. I mean I don't know. I just I

4847
03:48:42,960 --> 03:48:45,359
feel like we are not we as a council

4848
03:48:45,359 --> 03:48:47,199
said that 2028 was the next time we

4849
03:48:47,199 --> 03:48:49,520
wanted to replace a vehicle. But yes, if

4850
03:48:49,520 --> 03:48:52,479
something happens and we have to come up

4851
03:48:52,479 --> 03:48:54,239
with it, I don't want it to not be

4852
03:48:54,239 --> 03:48:56,479
available, right? But I don't want it to

4853
03:48:56,479 --> 03:48:58,399
feel like, oh yes, this is the plan and

4854
03:48:58,399 --> 03:49:00,319
we're going to because that's not what

4855
03:49:00,319 --> 03:49:03,359
we intended the plan to be.

4856
03:49:03,359 --> 03:49:09,429
>> We would have to approve it anyway.

4857
03:49:09,439 --> 03:49:12,479
» We haven't had to approve the

4858
03:49:12,479 --> 03:49:14,880
>> CIP for the sake of this discussion. We

4859
03:49:14,880 --> 03:49:18,000
can change that

4860
03:49:18,000 --> 03:49:19,840
>> have it at 28 knowing that there's the

4861
03:49:19,840 --> 03:49:22,000
it will be money is there

4862
03:49:22,000 --> 03:49:24,560
>> and if something happens. Okay, that

4863
03:49:24,560 --> 03:49:27,760
like I said I would Yeah, that

4864
03:49:27,760 --> 03:49:28,720
>> one.

4865
03:49:28,720 --> 03:49:31,920
>> We're planning on buying one in 28 and

4866
03:49:31,920 --> 03:49:34,800
hopefully nothing happens that we need

4867
03:49:34,800 --> 03:49:36,239
to but

4868
03:49:36,239 --> 03:49:40,309
>> Okay. So,

4869
03:49:40,319 --> 03:49:43,279
» anything else council?

4870
03:49:43,279 --> 03:49:46,080
So this has to go

4871
03:49:46,080 --> 03:49:49,840
>> the planning commission prior. So

4872
03:49:49,840 --> 03:49:51,120
>> two days before the

4873
03:49:51,120 --> 03:49:53,120
>> but well those those changes will be on

4874
03:49:53,120 --> 03:49:55,040
what they see.

4875
03:49:55,040 --> 03:49:58,479
>> Okay. Thank you.

4876
03:49:58,479 --> 03:49:59,920
>> Okay.

4877
03:49:59,920 --> 03:50:03,040
>> If there is nothing else I would you

4878
03:50:03,040 --> 03:50:04,319
have anything else?

4879
03:50:04,319 --> 03:50:08,229
>> I thought I had a question.

4880
03:50:08,239 --> 03:50:11,359
» Um I'm I'm questioned now. I'll ask when

4881
03:50:11,359 --> 03:50:13,920
I come back up to it. Okay. I would then

4882
03:50:13,920 --> 03:50:16,399
entertain a motion to adjurnn. Please. I

4883
03:50:16,399 --> 03:50:19,279
make a motion to adjurnn. Second.

4884
03:50:19,279 --> 03:50:21,040
>> Motion by council member Baldridge,

4885
03:50:21,040 --> 03:50:22,800
second by council member Hedstrom. All

4886
03:50:22,800 --> 03:50:23,680
in favor?

4887
03:50:23,680 --> 03:50:25,120
>> I.

4888
03:50:25,120 --> 03:50:27,600
>> Motion passes 300. We are adjourned.

4889
03:50:27,600 --> 03:50:29,600
Thank you everyone. Have a lovely

4890
03:50:29,600 --> 03:51:12,950
evening. Thank you all for coming.

4891
03:51:12,960 --> 03:51:49,269
Today's not looking like it's

4892
03:51:49,279 --> 03:51:57,910
Yes, it's

4893
03:51:57,920 --> 03:52:00,640
» well that's where so I will say a a

4894
03:52:00,640 --> 03:52:05,429
toilet flapper

4895
03:52:05,439 --> 03:52:10,150
bring

4896
03:52:10,160 --> 03:52:11,120
my keys.

4897
03:52:11,120 --> 03:52:14,239
>> No, not a I mean, so a flapper being

4898
03:52:14,239 --> 03:52:17,040
left open though.

4899
03:52:17,040 --> 03:52:20,640
>> It is. It's going straight down and

4900
03:52:20,640 --> 03:52:23,359
>> Yeah. And if it's like so like we have a

4901
03:52:23,359 --> 03:52:24,800
we have the bathroom that Chris and I

4902
03:52:24,800 --> 03:52:27,800
use.