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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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For. Once.

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Good afternoon everyone and thank you for being here. I'd

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like to call this meeting to order. I'd like to

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acknowledge that we are gathered today on the traditional ancestral

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territory. The Helix Okanagan people. This evening council will hold

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a regular meeting. The purpose of the meeting is to

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hear from the public on matters contained in the subject

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applications. Council has been provided with the information correspondence petitions

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or reports that have been received concerning the subject applications.

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This information is available to the public online at Colonna.

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ca slash Council or by request to the Office of

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the City clerk. For those participating this evening or who

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have already submitted letters to the Council, a reminder that

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this meeting is open to the public and all representation

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to Council Forum Part of a Public Record. A live

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audio video feed is being broadcasted and recorded on Cologna.

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causa will now stand for reaffirmation of both of Office

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that will be read by Councillor Singh, please.

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It's coming your way, Councillor. Thank you for waiting, Council.

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We're here this evening to perform the duties of council.

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We will act faithfully and with integrity. We will abide

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by the statutes, bylaws, and policies that govern the city.

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We will promote openness accountability and responsible leadership. We will

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provide good stewardship of public assets. And programs. And finally,

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we will always consider the well - being and the

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interests of the community of a whole leading to the

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development of a safe, vibrant and sustainable city. Thank you,

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Councillor Singh. Council, I am looking for a mover in

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a seconder from the minutes from our July 14th, 2026

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meeting, moved by Councillor Hodge, seconded by Councillor Wolridge. Do

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I have any errors and emissions in those minute meetings.

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Seeing none all in favor. Thank you. For those of

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you who have not attended a Tuesday regular meeting before,

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here is how we will proceed this evening. Staff will

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provide a brief description of the application. The applicant will

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then be given up to 15 minutes to make representation

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to council regarding the project. This will then be followed

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by a call for Representation from the public participating in

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person and online. Any person wishing to make representation during

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the meeting will have the opportunity to do so. Speakers

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will have up to five minutes to share the remarks.

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applicant will then be given up to 10 minutes to

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respond to any questions that were raised by the public.

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visual aids to assist in their presentation or questions. Online

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participants must be able to share their screen, to display

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their presentation if they have one. Thank you, City Clerk,

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please. Thank you your worship. Council and the public will

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note that the item under 4. 1, which would have

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been first on the agenda was withdrawn by the applicant.

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And so we will move directly to item 4. 2

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on the agenda. And this is a Liquor license application

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for a property on Water Street here to present to

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staff from the development planning department. Good afternoon, Jocelyn. Good

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afternoon, you worship members of Council. This application is to

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seek Council's support for a structural change to a lounge

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endorsement for an existing manufacturing license at Coluna Beer Institute

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to increase the license capacity from 200 to 262. With

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no proposed changes to their indoor and outdoor areas or

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hours of operation. In February, Council and approved an increasing

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capacity as well as making the patio permanent, following the

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end of the temporary expanded service area program. The potential

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occupant load is 262 and the applicant is proposing to

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increase the capacity to match the approved occupant load. This

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application was received in June of 2026 following a decision

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of council today. We will forward the recommendation to the

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LCRB. The property is located downtown on Water Street by

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the Water Street boat launch and waterfront park pathway. The

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existing hours of sale are as follows and are not

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proposed to changed. They are currently open indoors till 1

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a. m. and open outdoors on the patio till 11

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p. m. The proposed occupant load is 78 to 111

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indoors and 122 to 151 outside on the patio. And

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these are the floor plans that indicate the indoor and

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outdoor floor area. As well as the stamped occupant load.

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No comments have been received. In the application is aligned

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with Council Policy 359 Liquor licensing policy and procedures specifically

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Liquor Service for Lysis establishment in the central area may

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2 a. m. Within the central area, an outdoor patio

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at a license establishment may not operate later than 11

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that closes later than midnight must limit capacity to 500

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people. Staff are recommending that a supporting recommendation before to

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the LCRB. Thank you. Thank you. The applicant or the

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applicants representative now has up to 15 minutes to present

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podium on your right here in Council Chambers. And please

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begin by stating your name and street name. That would

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be if the applicant wishes to present council regarding this

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application. Your worship seeing none and seeing none online, and

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this will be the public's opportunity to address counsel about

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the application. Um, so any members of the public wishing

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to address council on this Liquor license, please make your

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to speak and please begin by stating your name and

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street name. This is the second time of asking. This

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is the third and final time of asking. Uh, your

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worship seeing none and there would be no applicant response.

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If there are any questions for staff, this would be

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the opportunity for that. Councillor, do I see any questions

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for staff. Seeing none, thank you. Thank you, worship. So

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that concludes any input on this and be looking for

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a mover in a seconder of the staff recommendation? Uh,

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moved by Councillor Lovegrove, seconded by Councillor Singh. Any further

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discussion. Seeing none, all in favor. Opposed carried. Thank you.

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Thank you, worship. That brings us to item 5. 1

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on the agenda. And this is a foreman character development

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permit and development variance permit for a property on loss

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in avenue here to present to staff from development planning.

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Thank you. This application is due issue development permit for

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the foreign character of an apartment building and a development

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variance permit to vary the maximum site coverage of all

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buildings and the ratio of tree sizes. This application was

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received in August of 2025. The file went through a

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rezoning for the rental - only subzone, and today is

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Council Consideration of the Development Permit and Development Variance Permit.

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The subject property is located east of the downtown Urban

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Centre on Lawson Avenue. The property is part of the

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transit supportive corridors zoning pilot project area and is therefore

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zoned TS1R. The property is in close proximity to transit

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stops located on Bernard Avenue and walking distance to the

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Queen's Way Bus exchange. Additionally, the site is close to

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the shops and services that are provided in the downtown.

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Model City Data estimates a population of 1, 672 and

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estimated jobs at about 1, 000. This proposal adds 71

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rental units to the City's housing targets. This slide is

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a snapshot of the housing needs dashboard, indicating our targets

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as it relates to the identified 10 - year need

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in Coluna's housing needs assessment. The subject property is four

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single parcels that are consolidated. And this is an image

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of the lot frontage, uh, facing loss in avenue. As

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well as neighbourhood context. There has been some redevelopment in

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this area, mostly through the building form of Forplexes. In

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terms of technical details, uh, the application is for a

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five - story building with 71 units, 46 - 1

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bedroom, 24 - 2 bedroom, and one three bedroom. There

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are 63 proposed parking stalls, 98 bike parking stalls, and

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eight trees provided. The applicant is requesting two variances. The

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first is maximum site coverage of all buildings from 65

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percent required to 68 percent proposed. I will take the

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opportunity to speak to that site coverage variance right now.

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Uh, the building could have been built to a sick

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story height maximum under the zoning bylaw. However, the applicant

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increased the building on each side to fit the parking

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and units in a five - story building form instead.

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Staff do see this as a minor variance and are

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supportive of it, and I will speak to the landscape

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variants, uh, later on in the presentation. The site plan

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indicates all vehicle access will come from the rear lane.

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There are also parking stalls and waste and recycling collections

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located off of the lane. The main residential lobby is

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located off of loss and avenue, as is a stair

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access to residential units off of lost and avenue as

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well. This is the east and the north elevation facing

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lawson, showing the main residential entry as well as stero

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access to the first floor unit patios. And the west

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and the south elevation. The material board includes white and

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charcoal cladding, light grey stone cladding, and oak wood cladding.

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This is the applicant's proposed landscape plan, uh, and also

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indicates the second variance, which is to vary the minimum

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ratio between tree sizes. Based on the landscape area along

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the front property line, the zoning requires a minimum of

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five trees, including three large trees. The applicant is proposing

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two large trees instead of three. To help offset the

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requested variants the applicant is also proposing eight trees in

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total, which exceeds the minimum number of trees that are

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required on site. There will be new boulevard trees required

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as part of future upgrades to loss an avenue. So

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the tree canopy concerns our mitigated, uh, because the boulevard

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trees will eventually see growth and create a canopy over

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the sidewalk. And this ratio also ensures that the trees

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can be planted on site with proper soil volumes. So

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they grow and thrive. There's also perimeter landscaping that includes

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shrubs, perennials, ground covers, and grasses on the sides of

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the building. There's also a proposed amenity area located on

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the podium and it contains seating areas and overhead trellis

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and a future gathering space. There's additional amenity space inside

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the building. The ground floor contains a multi - purpose

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space that can be booked by residents. Um, as well

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as study lounges on the second and third floors. These

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are the applicants rendering of the project. And that is

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the rear elevation and amenitie space that I spoke of.

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Overall, the proposed project does fit within design guidelines specifically

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to design attractive, engaging, and functional on - site open

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spaces. Uh, breaking up the building mass by incorporating elements

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that define the building space, middle, and top. This is

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largely done through the use of different materials in this

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project. And locating off street parking and other back of

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house uses away from public view. Steph, do you recommend

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support for their proposed development? As it meets the majority

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of our guidelines, um, and we see the variances as

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minor and mitigated through additional landscaping. Thank you, yourship. Thank

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you, Jocelyn. The applicant or the applicants representative now has

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up to 15 minutes to present to council. You can

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make your way to the public podium on the right

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side. And please begin by stating your name and street

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name. Yes. Counter, Mr. Mayor and Council members. My name

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is Usman Aziz. I'm here to represent my client for

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the properties at 727 and 747 Lost and Avenue. Um,

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thank you, Jocelyn, for being very thorough on everything that

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we want to present. Um, I do have two quick

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short little walkthroughs of, uh, the front of the property.

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Uh, mainly, uh, representing the landscaping and the trees that

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are along the street.

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So this is, we're heading towards the downtown.

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And this is, uh, like a site strafing video.

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All right. Um, that's it. I'm open for questions. Not

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at the moment, but if you have anything else to

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let us know, that would be great. If not, I'll

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just ask you to take a seat and we may

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have some questions for you in a little bit. Thank

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you. Any members of the public who would like to

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address counsel regarding this application on loss and avenue. You

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can make your way to the public podium on your

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right or raise your hand in teams of participating online.

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You have up to five minutes to speak. And please

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begin by stating your name and street name. Hi. My

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name's David. I live on 722 lawson avenue. So this

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is right across the street for me. You know, the

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lots of being vacant for a while. So it definitely

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looks like an improvement, but it doesn't really address the

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character of the neighbourhood. There is three heritage houses in

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the immediate vicinity. And, uh, it doesn't match the neighbourhood.

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I don't think it's a neighbourhood enhancement. I think it's

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a neighbourhood development and increasing the lot size, um, we

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just found out the lake is at its lowest levels

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ever. Our aquifers are also at their lowest level ever

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increasing the volume and size of the building. It's just

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going to increase water usage. So that's a big concern.

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The trees, less trees in our current environment is pretty

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hot outside the tree. Uh, with the parks. The highway,

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the frontage on Lawson has not really been addressed as

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well. Um, the traffic on Lawson is increasing as it

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was when the high rise went across on St. Paul.

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Suddenly the lane got really busy and accessing Richter. So

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another concern is the entrance to Lawson with an increased

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volume of people is also going to impact public safety

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of rental unit. The type of rental, like if you've

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been around or anyone has had rentals like I have.

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It's not usually the best in the neighbourhood. So for

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crime and safety, we already have, uh, issues with, um,

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a transient population coming and going, uh, rental pop, a

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large rental in that area. It's only going to increase

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the opportunity for, uh, marginalized population to inhabit the area

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even more than it is. So from a public safety

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standard, it's really not, not ideal. Um, I know the

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building looks nice on paper, but it's just a big

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box. It's ugly. Sorry. No, no insult to the architect.

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Uh, other than something like on Martin, uh, Martin Loft

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is a nice build. It looks good. It's got some

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features to it. And so I think long term for

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the city, it doesn't add character. It detracts. So thank

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you. I don't want to sound like I'm, I mean,

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I'm right across the road. I mean, I've been in

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colonifer over 40 years. My children were born here. My

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grandchildren were born here. Um, I really love Colonna. Um,

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it really, I would like to keep it, uh, with

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some character or some ambiance that you want to live

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in. A big rental across from our little heritage homes

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is not complementary. I mean, there's all, it's a rental.

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We're all residents on the street. And so it really

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changes the flavour of the neighbourhood. I think that's probably

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my five minutes. I would actually urge Council of refusing

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crews and land use and tree size. But instead decrease

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the land use of 65 to 55 percent neighbour with

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bigger offsets and more green face space facing Lawson. Thank

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you. Thank you.

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Hello, my name is Millen Zordivich. I reside at 725

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loss in Avenue. And I own the properties 1471 and

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1475 Rickter Street. Since 2000. First, I would like to

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know if anyone has read the letter that I sent.

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It was written before an impreparation for the first planning

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meeting. Listed by the city. I sat through two meetings.

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And there was no opportunity for public input. At a

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time when it seems it would have been useful. That's

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probably. I wrote more carefully thoughtfully and respectfully than this

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process deserves. I am aware that nothing I've written or

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say will have any effect on what is an offence

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to design, planning. And the neighbourhood. I'm angry that staying

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within the OCP essentially gives the developer free reign to

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bulldoze a neighbourhood. My two houses are heritage listed. They

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are not part of the transit supportive corridor. And I

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am sure the city will constrain my use of the

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properties. In a way that hasn't been applied to a

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developer who has no ties to the neighbourhood. And stating

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here that both a design and the process do not

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serve the community. It's actually grotesque. Density of 70 units

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on four lots in a residential neighbourhood served by a

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one - lane alley entering rick to street 120 feet

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from Bernard. Will be problematic. Frankly, such rental is not

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what the city needs. For fun, let's consider property rates.

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This is a taking two years of construction hell and

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then a five - story elevation, which is an invasion

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of my privacy. And the developer has no obligation to

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compensate me from my very real losses. It's not going

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to happen here, but it is time we revisit property

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law. As to trees, the city should be proactive in

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pushing mitigation of the climate crisis. This state does not

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have one tree that will grow and produce a canopy

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and shade on the south side. It is time for

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the city to implement design and landscape guidelines as is

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happening in progressive cities. Is my time run outer. No,

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it's okay. Okay. The CPX plant are greedy FUs. I

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have been given no information on five - story elevation.

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Less than 10 feet from my property line. Planning should

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require setbacks proportional to building heights. Site coverage should include

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all built forms. Even the cheapest rentals of the past

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put this project to shame with their green space. This

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process needs to be improved. The city should do more

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than facilitate development. OCP is inadequate in terms of guidance.

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Planning is more than colouring rectangles on a map. There

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needs to be a design panel of experts dedicated to

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producing good design and planning. I'm well aware that my

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efforts are futile for the present, but I hope that

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some of you will try to imagine raising the power

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and such obscenities won't be forced another neighbourhoods in the

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future. Thank you for your time. Thank you.

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Just while any other members of the public who would

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like to address counsel on this may make their way

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up, just confirming that all correspondence was circulated to council

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that was received on this application. Um, so if there

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are other members of the public looking to address council

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regarding the application on loss in avenue, please make your

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way up to the public podium. This is the second

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time of asking. And if there are others looking to

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speak, you can make your way up immediately following the

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person before you. Thank you. Hello, my name is Daniel

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Anette. I reside at 741 Lost in Avenue, one of

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the properties that will be affected by this. Good afternoon

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Mayor and Council. I want to be specific in what

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I'm objecting to because I think the technical details of

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this proposal matter more than the general concerns about density.

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I was, and just before I go on about this,

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I was uninformed about these matters. So this is my

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first time being notified about this. And, uh, I just

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kind of like found out about it through the properties.

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So the sign that's in front of our thing, but

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our property, but like you're not always driving past it

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or I'm sometimes thinking a U - turn. So it's

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not very visible to everyone who's on the street. Um,

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and I, I guess I got this in the letter

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recently. So that's another notification. Um, I have two other

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residents that live in a house. My nine - year

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- old grandmother and my, uh, elderly uncle. So, um,

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it's just, I'm not sure if it's relevant or anything

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that can be done to stop this. Development happening. So

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if that's not the case, and I apologise for addressing

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that concern, but going over the details, um, of this

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proposal, there are concerns of that. Um, it's on the

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site cover variants. The applicant is asking to increase maximum

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site coverage from 65 percent under section 13. 5 of

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the zoning bylaw 12375. That's presented as a small number,

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but a three point jump on a lot of size

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means less permittable ground for storm weather absorption. Less on

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- site green space. And the building sitting closer to

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the property line. Then the bylaws owned baseline was designed

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to allow for the zone. A lake council to treat

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this as a real design deficiency. Not a rounding error.

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If the building doesn't fit within the appropriate response is

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to redesign the footprint, not adjust the bylaw around it.

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On the tree ratio variance, the second ask is a

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variance to the minimum ratio between tree sizes under section

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7. 2, table 7. 2. 2. I like the applicant

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or staff to clarify exactly what ratio is being reduced

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here. If this variance means substituting a large number of

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small caliper trees for the required mix of larger, more

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mature canopy stock that satisfies the letter of a landscaping

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count. But defeats the purpose, the ratio exists for. Long

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- term canopy cover, shade, and storm weather interception on

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the site. I don't think the trade - off should

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be approved without a clear justification from the applicant. On

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parking. I'd also note that the numbers don't add up.

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On parking 65 units against 65 souls works out to

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roughly 1. 1 stalls per unit. Given this stretch of

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Weston Avenue, I think the ratio is worth scrutinizing before

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approval, not after residence after residents looking for street parking.

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My ask, I'm asking council to deny the site coverage

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variants and require the applicant to bring the design within

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the existing 65 percent limit. Plan that meets existing tree

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size ratio requirements. Before the applicant proceeds further. Thank you

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for your time. Thank you.

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This will be the final time of asking for any

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members of the public wishing to address council regarding this

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application. Seeing no more, your worship, this would be the

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applicant's opportunity to respond to matters raised by members of

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the public. Uh, if you wish to do so, you

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have up to 10 minutes.

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Alright. Thank you fellow neighbours for your comments. Uh, new

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concerns. Um, there was a neighbour notification mail out sent

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out to approximately 57 addresses within the vicinity of

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the development early this summer, around May. There was my

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address and the city staff's address and contact. Uh, we

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never received any comments then. Just recently I did approach

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the three heritage homes. Along Victor to primarily talk about

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their trees that they have in their backyard. I left

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my letter along with my contact and everything. And, uh,

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you know, to talk about further about the development, um,

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fortune unicuring thing about anything from the neighbours then either.

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But in terms of, uh, the rental quality, um, yeah,

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there is sometimes a concern of tenants, but the client

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here, one of his plans and programs was to design

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these units about He does want to encourage small young

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families to be tenants. Um, it shows with the amenity

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space that's outside. It's got a little kids park, uh,

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little picnic area of, you know, a place for young

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families to gather. And yeah, just being within the vicinity

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of downtown where young families can, the law daycare is

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opening up now too in downtown and possibly of young

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families dropping off their kids and then going to work

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in downtown. So, um, it is encouraging a certain type

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of demographic that the client is looking for that they

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want, uh, want to live here. Um, in terms of

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the permeability, um, yes, we are asking for a three

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percent bump in site coverage. But in terms of setback

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permeability ratios that those all comply within, within bylaw. Um,

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in terms of the parking, um, and traffic concerns, um,

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all traffic will be directed to the lane. Um, and

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all parking, uh, ratios are per bylaw also. So there's

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no variance in terms of parking county. In terms of,

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I mean, yeah, everyone's got their opinion about the design.

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We are, we do want to promote like some kind

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of sauce lighting that, uh, enhances visibility at night, but

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does not intrude into the neighbor's, you know, creating light

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pollution. And then in terms of trees and shading, we

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do have, you know, on - site. We are asking

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for a variance of trees, but do note that there

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are four large oak trees on the boulevard on the

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loss inside. That's all for now. Thank you. Thank you,

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worship. This would be the opportunity for Council to ask

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questions of staff followed by questions of the applicant. Councillor

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Singh, is that a question of staff. I'm going to

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show you. What's true. Okay, I can come back to

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you. Um. You want to try staff? Okay. Thank you.

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Justlyn, one of the interveners, I wish I had written

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down everything verbatim. But I talked about wanting a clarification

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on the tree canopy. I wonder if you could speak

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to that. Yes, your worship. So the variance is specifically

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for the ratio of, um, of trees is that there

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is three required to be large and they are proposing

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two. And then part of the, um, rationale that I

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went through in my presentation is that loss and avenue

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will have to go through, uh, upgrades for curb gutter

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sidewalk, including street trees. And so the applicant will either

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pay into a cash and lie program for that or

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pay into the neighbourhood street urbanization program. Um, and that

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work would be completed at a later time. And that

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would provide large trees on the boulevard, which is our

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main concern as well is ensuring that we get the

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treat canopy. Thank you Councillor Lovegrove questions. Thanks, you worship.

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So just to follow up on those trees. So, but

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I just heard there are already four large oak trees.

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Are they on the north side then? Were they going

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to be removed as part of urbanization. Uh, three worship.

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I can't speak directly to the works and services that

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the development engineering group does. I believe that they maintain

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trees where possible, but often because they have to relocate

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sidewalks and things like that. Um, sometimes they do have

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to remove trees and plant new ones. It depends on

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the specific project. Fair enough, but there are currently four

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large trees. Um, I don't think so. Um, let me

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check. Maybe we can get the applicant to come back

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up and clarify that when it's, excuse me, sir. Just

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one second. We're just at, we're just, uh, councillor just

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one sec. We'll all call you back up in a

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minute. Through your worship, this is the aerial image. So

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it looks like the existing trees are potentially at the

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front of the property line. Right. And when, uh, well,

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let's talk worst case, if when it's urbanized, they have

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to be removed. Um, what's the typical size the city

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installs larger small trees. Three worship on the boulevard typically

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large trees. Arch trees. Okay. That's good. It is dependent

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00:36:57,189 --> 00:37:01,568
though on which program we're applying which cross section where

477
00:37:01,568 --> 00:37:06,995
it goes. Okay. And then on the comment about the

478
00:37:07,656 --> 00:37:11,635
visibility of the sign, does staff approve the sign notification

479
00:37:11,736 --> 00:37:14,995
sign location? Through your worship. Yes. We receive pictures from

480
00:37:15,035 --> 00:37:17,315
the applicants once the sign is posted to confirm that

481
00:37:17,336 --> 00:37:21,215
it's been posted. And then on the side coverage, um,

482
00:37:22,136 --> 00:37:24,035
you mentioned your presentation. I just want to make sure

483
00:37:24,296 --> 00:37:27,075
for the public record, I heard you're right. If we

484
00:37:27,176 --> 00:37:30,755
push that back down to 65 percent by not approving

485
00:37:30,936 --> 00:37:34,355
the variance does that mean the sixth story or what

486
00:37:34,856 --> 00:37:37,635
potential or ramifications does that have for the proposal? So

487
00:37:37,816 --> 00:37:40,275
through your worship, I think that the land use component

488
00:37:40,315 --> 00:37:43,075
is an important one here. So this is already zoned

489
00:37:43,115 --> 00:37:45,795
the TS1 zone under that zone. They can build up

490
00:37:45,835 --> 00:37:49,135
to six stories. So the applicant is proposing this, uh,

491
00:37:49,496 --> 00:37:52,915
to five stories with an increased, my understanding is the

492
00:37:52,936 --> 00:37:56,395
rationale that he mentioned to have larger unit sizes. So

493
00:37:56,696 --> 00:38:02,915
if this application was not approved and this site coverage

494
00:38:02,955 --> 00:38:05,795
variance was not approved, they could come back with a

495
00:38:05,835 --> 00:38:07,875
six - story design that meet all of our bylaw

496
00:38:07,915 --> 00:38:13,715
requirements. Yeah. Okay. Thanks for that. Um, would that also

497
00:38:14,056 --> 00:38:16,915
then allow them to put or meet their tree requirement

498
00:38:16,955 --> 00:38:20,195
on site? Three worship. That's a hard question for me

499
00:38:20,195 --> 00:38:22,995
to answer. I think the applicant would probably be better

500
00:38:23,176 --> 00:38:27,342
off to answer that. Okay. Then maybe that's the better

501
00:38:27,363 --> 00:38:29,502
way to go on this. Thanks, Yerish. We'll wait for

502
00:38:29,502 --> 00:38:32,542
the applicant. Thank you. Councillor Cannon, please. Questions of staff.

503
00:38:32,582 --> 00:38:34,862
Yeah. Thanks. Just wanted to did stop. Worked with the

504
00:38:34,963 --> 00:38:42,175
applicant to look at what would be achieved. Meeting the

505
00:38:43,716 --> 00:38:48,696
site cute coverage without the variance. Uh, through your worship

506
00:38:49,117 --> 00:38:52,456
throughout the application process, I think that the site coverage

507
00:38:52,456 --> 00:38:54,856
variance was always identified. That was how the building was

508
00:38:55,197 --> 00:38:59,926
initially designed. Okay. And you said the units are larger,

509
00:38:59,926 --> 00:39:02,086
but there's actually one three bedroom unit. Is that correct?

510
00:39:02,873 --> 00:39:06,612
There's only one three bedroom union. Yeah. That's correct. Um,

511
00:39:06,633 --> 00:39:09,332
as far as this being the first department building on

512
00:39:09,372 --> 00:39:12,292
this block, is there any concerns about the president setting

513
00:39:13,033 --> 00:39:16,852
with this, uh, variance request? Uh, excuse me, there was

514
00:39:16,852 --> 00:39:18,052
a cough right when you were in the middle of

515
00:39:18,092 --> 00:39:20,612
that sentence. I understand this is the first department building

516
00:39:20,633 --> 00:39:22,532
in this block, right? There's other ones that have been

517
00:39:23,913 --> 00:39:26,452
the predominant block pattern right now is four plexes and

518
00:39:26,492 --> 00:39:30,944
single family homes. Yeah. That's correct. So just wondering you

519
00:39:30,944 --> 00:39:35,667
said that basically these variances are considered minor. Um, yeah,

520
00:39:35,707 --> 00:39:37,507
through your worship of staff, do you consider these variances

521
00:39:37,688 --> 00:39:40,147
minor? Like often when we're looking at these form a

522
00:39:40,147 --> 00:39:42,947
character development permits, we think about the trade - offs,

523
00:39:42,947 --> 00:39:45,427
um, a six story apartment building can be really challenging

524
00:39:45,608 --> 00:39:49,427
for, for neighbours. Um, and that is what the zone

525
00:39:49,427 --> 00:39:51,247
allows. So in this case, you get a little bit

526
00:39:51,247 --> 00:39:54,787
of a lower profile. And we also worked with the

527
00:39:54,968 --> 00:39:59,267
applicant on some specific design asks to try and make

528
00:39:59,267 --> 00:40:03,267
it more attractive building. Um, to be in the neighbourhood.

529
00:40:03,267 --> 00:40:05,327
And so it's a bit of a trade - off

530
00:40:05,368 --> 00:40:09,102
in that sense. Thank you. Welcome. I have one question

531
00:40:09,102 --> 00:40:11,816
for the applicant. Sir, if I may ask you to

532
00:40:11,856 --> 00:40:14,216
come back forward, please. Council, I see no more questions

533
00:40:14,237 --> 00:40:17,496
for staff. Um, so this is just, if you would,

534
00:40:17,496 --> 00:40:23,850
sir, please. There's a couple of questions. Councillor Singh, no

535
00:40:23,890 --> 00:40:26,570
questions. Okay. Thank you. Councillor Love Grove, you had a

536
00:40:26,570 --> 00:40:30,951
question for the applicant. Thanks, you worship. Hi, and welcome.

537
00:40:31,052 --> 00:40:35,351
Um, so on the trees, you mentioned four large oak

538
00:40:35,351 --> 00:40:38,631
trees. Are those going to be impacted if the street

539
00:40:38,631 --> 00:40:43,751
gets urbanized? Correct. So that's, it's, they've already landscape architects

540
00:40:43,791 --> 00:40:46,551
already issued a, you know, price bond, you know, that,

541
00:40:46,591 --> 00:40:49,831
that potentially put accommodate these four large oak trees on

542
00:40:49,871 --> 00:40:54,699
the boulevard. So if, if it is urbanized and there

543
00:40:54,699 --> 00:40:57,099
are four there now, and we have no idea on

544
00:40:57,099 --> 00:41:03,659
the timing. So, so these four would be new trees

545
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,099
on, on the boulevard between the sidewalk and the street

546
00:41:07,139 --> 00:41:13,967
curve. Oh. And so the proponent is giving a, what

547
00:41:13,988 --> 00:41:20,047
do they call that? Certificate credit. To install four large

548
00:41:20,047 --> 00:41:28,033
trees. Correct. Okay. And, um, then what happens if the

549
00:41:28,374 --> 00:41:32,993
over coverage variants is not allowed? Do you have any

550
00:41:33,033 --> 00:41:37,233
idea what the client is thinking? You know what? I'm

551
00:41:37,233 --> 00:41:38,753
not certain that's, I don't think we need to get

552
00:41:38,753 --> 00:41:41,473
into that speculation. It's, I mean, we have something in

553
00:41:41,473 --> 00:41:44,753
front of us, Councillor. Yes. No, fair comment. All right.

554
00:41:45,174 --> 00:41:49,153
I'll draw that question. Thanks. Councillor Cannon, please. Thanks. Um,

555
00:41:49,334 --> 00:41:51,633
just wondering as far as you heard from the concerns

556
00:41:51,734 --> 00:41:53,233
of the neighbour, did you have a chance to meet

557
00:41:53,273 --> 00:41:56,433
with any of the neighbours? Uh, I'm chill today. No.

558
00:41:56,534 --> 00:42:01,473
Sorry? Until today, no. Okay. And the question then is

559
00:42:01,814 --> 00:42:04,433
if you would have went six stories and did you

560
00:42:04,433 --> 00:42:06,353
consider that and what would the implications if you went

561
00:42:06,374 --> 00:42:11,413
six stories and conform to the bylaw. No. I mean,

562
00:42:11,413 --> 00:42:14,786
we were trying to avoid going that high. To six

563
00:42:14,826 --> 00:42:20,946
stories, primarily we felt that we could achieve what the

564
00:42:20,986 --> 00:42:25,266
client needed within the five stories, uh, without being too

565
00:42:25,266 --> 00:42:31,986
intrusive in the surrounding neighbourhood of going six stories. You

566
00:42:32,007 --> 00:42:34,146
didn't even model it out of seeing how many more

567
00:42:34,186 --> 00:42:39,788
units you could get in. Then parking also, uh, allows

568
00:42:39,828 --> 00:42:43,628
you so much. We could add more units, but then

569
00:42:43,628 --> 00:42:49,506
we would be in a parking variant. So. Thanks. Thank

570
00:42:49,506 --> 00:42:52,386
you. Seeing no further questions, please, sir. Please take your

571
00:42:52,426 --> 00:42:55,266
seat. Thank you very much. Uh, City clerk, please. Thank

572
00:42:55,266 --> 00:42:57,906
you. Roshi, if that concludes any public input on the

573
00:42:57,946 --> 00:43:01,426
matter. And I'd be looking for a mover in seconder

574
00:43:01,767 --> 00:43:05,826
of the recommendation. Move my council Wolward. Seconded by Councillor

575
00:43:05,866 --> 00:43:10,308
Singh. Further discussion, please. For the discussion Councillor Love Grove.

576
00:43:13,756 --> 00:43:18,375
Thanks for your worship. Uh, this is interesting. I actually,

577
00:43:18,415 --> 00:43:20,935
until the residents came up. So I appreciate these public

578
00:43:20,956 --> 00:43:25,155
hearings. I was thinking, well, what's the big deal? Um,

579
00:43:25,155 --> 00:43:27,735
so I want to thank the residents for coming back

580
00:43:27,775 --> 00:43:29,815
and speaking. I really, really appreciate it. And to the

581
00:43:29,815 --> 00:43:32,215
gentleman, things it's not going to make a difference. This

582
00:43:32,215 --> 00:43:35,015
is what democracy is about. So please take the heart

583
00:43:35,055 --> 00:43:37,495
that I take to hurt your comments. Um, and I

584
00:43:37,495 --> 00:43:41,975
appreciate your letters as well. Um, and I appreciate my

585
00:43:41,975 --> 00:43:46,855
Council colleagues asking about, did they talk to the residents

586
00:43:46,855 --> 00:43:48,855
before they or after they came up with the five

587
00:43:48,956 --> 00:43:51,975
- story design? Because clearly that answers my question that

588
00:43:51,975 --> 00:43:54,455
I was going to ask. And I think, um, we've

589
00:43:54,495 --> 00:43:59,255
got impacts on heritage properties. We've got, uh, impacts on

590
00:43:59,356 --> 00:44:04,206
fit. And they character the neighbourhood. And I'm going to

591
00:44:04,206 --> 00:44:06,166
actually vote against this. We've got three residents that came

592
00:44:06,166 --> 00:44:11,046
up with well articulated reasons to not approve this. We,

593
00:44:11,046 --> 00:44:16,326
um, have an issue in the city with affordable housing,

594
00:44:16,326 --> 00:44:19,606
but we've heard housing supply, maybe we tap the brakes

595
00:44:19,646 --> 00:44:21,286
on that. So I'm not, I don't see us in

596
00:44:21,326 --> 00:44:25,366
a housing crisis as much as maybe four years ago.

597
00:44:25,366 --> 00:44:28,006
And I'm prepared to ask the applicant to take a

598
00:44:28,006 --> 00:44:29,686
nerve or crack at this to come back with us.

599
00:44:30,141 --> 00:44:32,856
To us. Thanks to worship. Thank you. Count stack, please.

600
00:44:34,042 --> 00:44:36,821
Thank you, worship. Um, I too would like to thank

601
00:44:37,562 --> 00:44:42,641
the speakers this evening and particularly Daniel just because, uh,

602
00:44:43,002 --> 00:44:46,021
it's your very first time. However, you identified the two

603
00:44:46,442 --> 00:44:50,261
specific items that the public should speak to. And so

604
00:44:50,261 --> 00:44:53,301
I think you did very well. Um, from my perspective

605
00:44:53,562 --> 00:44:55,701
on this, like to me, I think there is a

606
00:44:55,741 --> 00:45:00,389
significant improvement of the five versus six stories. Having a

607
00:45:00,570 --> 00:45:03,089
six story building go up right beside my house. I'm

608
00:45:03,089 --> 00:45:05,429
well aware of it. And, uh, I think that is

609
00:45:05,469 --> 00:45:08,269
a reasonable trade - off. The slightly larger footprint, I

610
00:45:08,269 --> 00:45:13,589
don't think will be noticeable. And I like the trees

611
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:15,589
on the boulevard. I think the four oak trees will

612
00:45:15,690 --> 00:45:18,709
help offset some of this. But I do acknowledge to

613
00:45:18,709 --> 00:45:23,989
the neighbours. This is significant change to the neighbourhood. And,

614
00:45:23,989 --> 00:45:27,029
um, unfortunately that's the direction our city is growing because

615
00:45:27,069 --> 00:45:29,669
of the zoning for these properties. I don't think you'll

616
00:45:29,709 --> 00:45:33,269
ever have someone build a heritage home on this type

617
00:45:33,309 --> 00:45:37,509
of zoning. It just, uh, just doesn't really make sense.

618
00:45:37,509 --> 00:45:40,869
People wouldn't build a fraction of what they're entitled to

619
00:45:40,890 --> 00:45:43,429
build on this area. But it does have a huge

620
00:45:43,429 --> 00:45:46,869
impact on the neighbourhood. And I'm sympathetic. But it means

621
00:45:46,890 --> 00:45:49,509
all our bylaws with the exception of two minor variances.

622
00:45:49,509 --> 00:45:52,475
I have to support it. Thank you. Council Singh, please.

623
00:45:55,252 --> 00:45:58,671
Thank you, Wosha. It fits this project fits in our

624
00:45:58,671 --> 00:46:03,231
official community pipeline guidelines. The variances, like my colleague said,

625
00:46:03,332 --> 00:46:07,978
are fairly minor. The footprint is not, the ask is

626
00:46:07,978 --> 00:46:13,723
not for a huge footprint. So, um. It is doable.

627
00:46:13,723 --> 00:46:17,723
And, um, I can understand how people in the neighbourhood

628
00:46:17,744 --> 00:46:22,523
would feel impacted and concerned about what could be impacting

629
00:46:22,784 --> 00:46:28,763
their lifestyles. But once the only ask I could make

630
00:46:28,784 --> 00:46:33,403
of the applicant is to work with the neighbours to

631
00:46:33,403 --> 00:46:38,603
make a good project needs to have good neighbours and

632
00:46:38,643 --> 00:46:41,243
friendly neighbours and residents who lived there want to feel

633
00:46:41,664 --> 00:46:45,003
like the neighbourhood welcomes them as well. So it would

634
00:46:45,043 --> 00:46:50,823
behoove the applicant to work with the neighbourhood. And, uh,

635
00:46:50,823 --> 00:46:57,825
make sure you don't aggravate each other. I think I

636
00:46:57,825 --> 00:47:02,651
will be supporting this. We are moving towards. More needing

637
00:47:02,691 --> 00:47:06,571
more housing for our, for people who are in our

638
00:47:06,592 --> 00:47:11,636
city. So I will support this. Council Wolverage, please. Thanks

639
00:47:11,657 --> 00:47:14,436
to worship. Somewhere to my colleagues. Thank everyone for coming

640
00:47:14,476 --> 00:47:17,956
out this evening and speaking to the application. Um, whenever

641
00:47:17,956 --> 00:47:22,836
I'm looking at variances, um, critically, um, I always question

642
00:47:23,097 --> 00:47:26,756
if they make the building, um, and the development better.

643
00:47:26,756 --> 00:47:29,476
And, um, in my mind, um, when I read the

644
00:47:29,516 --> 00:47:31,956
report and understood that this was, um, keeping the building

645
00:47:31,977 --> 00:47:35,476
lower than six stories, which is, which is allowed in

646
00:47:35,476 --> 00:47:39,716
my mind, um, is, is, uh, positive for the community

647
00:47:40,057 --> 00:47:43,156
and the neighbourhood. And I fully understand, um, how these

648
00:47:43,257 --> 00:47:47,296
neighbourhoods are changing and shifting and that causes friction. Um,

649
00:47:47,897 --> 00:47:51,696
I have some comfort on the tree discussion regarding, um,

650
00:47:51,696 --> 00:47:55,076
this, these trees being in addition to the boulevard plantings

651
00:47:55,257 --> 00:47:57,876
that the city will be responsible for, um, and then

652
00:47:58,297 --> 00:48:01,885
the addition of, um, different amenities throughout the building. And

653
00:48:01,986 --> 00:48:04,605
a rental was touched on a little bit this evening.

654
00:48:04,605 --> 00:48:06,685
And the thing that I like about rental tenure buildings

655
00:48:06,725 --> 00:48:09,565
is that they're owned and managed, um, directly by one

656
00:48:09,605 --> 00:48:13,165
owner versus individual units, which can often be more challenging

657
00:48:13,266 --> 00:48:17,245
to manage over time. So, um, by having rental buildings,

658
00:48:17,245 --> 00:48:19,325
there's usually one owner and one manager of the building

659
00:48:19,365 --> 00:48:21,965
that can, um, keep things in check for the neighbourhood.

660
00:48:21,965 --> 00:48:24,805
So, um, it meets all the other, uh, bylaws. It

661
00:48:24,805 --> 00:48:27,965
means the parking bylaws. And it's on a transit transit

662
00:48:27,965 --> 00:48:31,165
area. And for those that are advocating for more rapid

663
00:48:31,205 --> 00:48:33,885
transit, um, this is the type of development that we

664
00:48:33,885 --> 00:48:35,645
need. So I will be supporting it this evening. Thank

665
00:48:35,645 --> 00:48:41,303
you. Council Weber, please. You know, you look at this

666
00:48:42,204 --> 00:48:48,618
and this particular project. As gentle densification. It's, you know,

667
00:48:48,659 --> 00:48:52,318
if they had come forward with, um, say fourplexes on

668
00:48:52,318 --> 00:48:55,518
the four lot, 16 units, that would be, that would

669
00:48:55,558 --> 00:48:58,078
fit into the neighbourhood more. But the problem is that's

670
00:48:58,099 --> 00:49:00,398
what we're voting on. They have this owning to be

671
00:49:00,398 --> 00:49:02,078
able to build a five or six story building there.

672
00:49:03,122 --> 00:49:04,861
And if we vote against it, there could be a

673
00:49:04,901 --> 00:49:06,861
six story building there. And as we've seen in other

674
00:49:06,861 --> 00:49:10,701
areas, six stories do loom over a residential neighbourhood more

675
00:49:10,701 --> 00:49:13,033
than five stories. So this is, this is our choice

676
00:49:13,073 --> 00:49:17,017
right now. And it isn't about whether there's going to

677
00:49:17,017 --> 00:49:20,140
be a building there or not. So, uh, you know,

678
00:49:20,161 --> 00:49:22,060
it would be tough to vote against this not knowing

679
00:49:22,561 --> 00:49:27,934
what the end result will be. The idea that I

680
00:49:27,974 --> 00:49:32,334
would say the thing about rental units attracting marginalized communities,

681
00:49:32,374 --> 00:49:34,574
most of these rental buildings that are opening up charged

682
00:49:34,574 --> 00:49:36,494
far more for rent than I pay in my mortgage.

683
00:49:36,494 --> 00:49:38,014
I can barely afford to live there myself. So I

684
00:49:38,014 --> 00:49:40,494
don't know that unless I'm marginalized, I don't know there'll

685
00:49:40,494 --> 00:49:43,742
be a lot of marginalized people hanging around there. Councillor

686
00:49:43,742 --> 00:49:47,552
Cannon, please. Thanks. I appreciate as well as the members

687
00:49:47,552 --> 00:49:50,192
from the community and the applicant and my council colleagues

688
00:49:50,213 --> 00:49:52,892
questions. I've been going back and forth because, you know,

689
00:49:52,892 --> 00:49:55,712
I appreciate the five story, but I also, um, look

690
00:49:55,712 --> 00:49:58,592
at the fact that his zone already at six stories.

691
00:49:58,592 --> 00:50:01,312
And we do as Councillor Weber doesn't fit the forming

692
00:50:01,312 --> 00:50:03,292
character. And that's what we're also going on in the

693
00:50:03,292 --> 00:50:06,032
development has to do with the former character. And that's

694
00:50:06,072 --> 00:50:10,032
one of the big things, especially this variance because we're

695
00:50:10,133 --> 00:50:14,912
setting the tone for first partner building adjacent to heritage

696
00:50:14,952 --> 00:50:21,232
homes. I think our deviating from our own standards, which

697
00:50:21,253 --> 00:50:24,592
are already increased with the zoning bylaw a few years

698
00:50:24,592 --> 00:50:28,592
ago, increase the density. So I just think it's kind

699
00:50:28,592 --> 00:50:31,872
of mission creep continue to go away from our own

700
00:50:32,453 --> 00:50:38,912
standards, which are quite lenient already in many cases. So

701
00:50:39,173 --> 00:50:42,112
I personally would have liked to see in the applicant

702
00:50:42,213 --> 00:50:44,752
work with the residents a little closer and had some

703
00:50:44,853 --> 00:50:47,372
dialogue and, you know, had a discussion about, you know,

704
00:50:47,813 --> 00:50:51,952
what implications of six stories. And larger units. There's only

705
00:50:51,952 --> 00:50:54,672
one three bedroom. They want to have units for families.

706
00:50:54,672 --> 00:50:57,232
It really doesn't do much for families with two bedrooms.

707
00:50:57,893 --> 00:51:01,712
So given the fact that it's variance doesn't, in my

708
00:51:01,712 --> 00:51:07,891
mind, hasn't been demonstrated to significant necessity. It doesn't fit

709
00:51:07,912 --> 00:51:10,291
the form and character in the area and the variants

710
00:51:10,312 --> 00:51:12,931
for the trees. I would not be supporting the very

711
00:51:12,952 --> 00:51:17,399
interests today. Thank you. Thank you. Council saying no further

712
00:51:17,399 --> 00:51:21,079
comments. Just before I call the question. Obviously what was

713
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:24,119
before us tonight with respect to a couple of variances,

714
00:51:24,119 --> 00:51:26,759
uh, other than that everything else proceeds or proceeds at

715
00:51:26,780 --> 00:51:29,699
a six story level without any variances in it. Um,

716
00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:32,959
just looking in hearing all of my Councillor colleagues, I

717
00:51:32,959 --> 00:51:35,319
think they're very much for the information, but I am

718
00:51:35,420 --> 00:51:39,079
at an agreement that it ends up being the variances.

719
00:51:39,079 --> 00:51:42,439
Our minor with regards to advancing this particular project. So,

720
00:51:42,439 --> 00:51:44,039
um, I would like to thank the residents for coming

721
00:51:44,060 --> 00:51:47,079
out. And just again, once, uh, just to confirm with

722
00:51:47,079 --> 00:51:49,399
them, that all information that you had forwarded into us,

723
00:51:49,399 --> 00:51:51,239
we were received by all council members and we had

724
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:52,999
the opportunity to view it. So thank you very much

725
00:51:53,020 --> 00:51:56,759
for affording that information to us. Uh, with that Council,

726
00:51:56,759 --> 00:52:00,759
I'm just calling the question all in favor opposed. Councillor

727
00:52:00,860 --> 00:52:03,959
Love Grove and Councillor Canon opposed. And once again, thank

728
00:52:03,999 --> 00:52:09,683
you for coming out this evening. Thank you. We're ship.

729
00:52:09,683 --> 00:52:12,163
That brings us to item 5. 2 on the agenda.

730
00:52:12,163 --> 00:52:14,883
And this is a former character development permit and development

731
00:52:14,904 --> 00:52:17,683
variance permit for a property on Dayton Street here to

732
00:52:17,683 --> 00:52:23,623
present his staff from the development planning department. Good evening,

733
00:52:23,623 --> 00:52:31,909
Mark. Good evening, your worship. The purpose of this application

734
00:52:31,949 --> 00:52:34,469
is to consider a development permit for the foreman character

735
00:52:34,509 --> 00:52:37,909
of a commercial medical services building and development variants permit

736
00:52:37,909 --> 00:52:40,549
to reduce the required number of parking stalls from 60

737
00:52:40,570 --> 00:52:43,189
to 30 as well as vary the upper floor setbacks

738
00:52:43,229 --> 00:52:45,829
from three metres required to zero metres proposed along the

739
00:52:46,010 --> 00:52:51,934
north and west property lines. The application was submitted on

740
00:52:52,035 --> 00:52:56,894
April 24th and neighbourhood notification was completed on June 29th.

741
00:52:56,894 --> 00:52:59,294
Today, we're here for Council Consideration of the Development Permit

742
00:52:59,334 --> 00:53:02,254
and Development Variance Permit. If they are approved, the applicant

743
00:53:02,275 --> 00:53:06,619
could proceed to building permit. The subject property is located

744
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,939
on the west side of Dayton Street to near the

745
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,939
intersection with Dixon Avenue within the Capri landmark urban centre.

746
00:53:12,939 --> 00:53:15,019
It's located within walking distance to a variety of other

747
00:53:15,059 --> 00:53:18,059
commercial services and employment. And there are transit stops on

748
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:20,939
Harvey Avenue and Springfield Avenue within a five minute walk

749
00:53:20,939 --> 00:53:25,425
of the subject parcel. Model City Data shows that within

750
00:53:25,446 --> 00:53:27,985
five minute walking radius of the subject property, there's an

751
00:53:27,985 --> 00:53:34,972
estimated population of approximately 631 with 4, 602 jobs. Uh,

752
00:53:34,972 --> 00:53:38,172
this is a subject property. It currently contains three existing

753
00:53:38,193 --> 00:53:42,492
buildings. Uh, the furthest south building is proposed to be

754
00:53:42,593 --> 00:53:46,732
demolished as part of this application. Uh, the proposed building

755
00:53:46,732 --> 00:53:50,252
location is shown by the red dashed line. And also

756
00:53:50,252 --> 00:53:52,732
it should be noted the applicant is proposing to subdivide

757
00:53:52,732 --> 00:53:55,932
the parcel to create this as its own separate lot.

758
00:53:55,932 --> 00:53:57,292
So it would be separate from the other two buildings.

759
00:53:58,148 --> 00:54:01,007
Uh, that is also where the, uh, the variance is

760
00:54:01,007 --> 00:54:06,206
largely stem from is the future subdivision application. This shows

761
00:54:06,246 --> 00:54:10,286
the neighbourhood context image number one is the, uh, existing

762
00:54:10,307 --> 00:54:13,726
building viewed from Dayton Street. The second image shows the

763
00:54:13,827 --> 00:54:17,166
property from the east from Dun Street across some other

764
00:54:17,187 --> 00:54:21,006
private parcels. And the third image shows the building location

765
00:54:21,006 --> 00:54:26,635
from the south adjacent to the existing parcade. The applicant

766
00:54:26,675 --> 00:54:29,275
is proposing to construct a four - story commercial medical

767
00:54:29,275 --> 00:54:33,675
services building, 30 parking stalls are proposed to be provided,

768
00:54:33,675 --> 00:54:36,235
which would be accessed from the adjacent parcade to the

769
00:54:36,275 --> 00:54:39,835
north. So access the parkade in this building through the

770
00:54:40,016 --> 00:54:44,135
parcade to the north. The proposing 14 bicycle stalls. And

771
00:54:44,135 --> 00:54:46,715
also as a condition of the development approval, the applicant,

772
00:54:46,715 --> 00:54:48,875
it will be required to register a road reserve for

773
00:54:48,976 --> 00:54:51,275
the southern 10 metre portion of the property in order

774
00:54:51,315 --> 00:54:57,493
to facilitate the future Southern Road extension. In order to

775
00:54:57,514 --> 00:55:01,313
facilitate the proposal, the applicant is proposing two variances. The

776
00:55:01,354 --> 00:55:04,113
first variance is to the number of parking stalls. Uh,

777
00:55:04,394 --> 00:55:07,253
they are proposing to provide 30 parking stalls on site,

778
00:55:07,253 --> 00:55:08,913
which would be in a parcade as part of the

779
00:55:08,913 --> 00:55:13,893
building. Uh, the, there is, uh, the adjacent park gate

780
00:55:13,893 --> 00:55:17,173
to the north. However, as it's being subdivided from this

781
00:55:17,434 --> 00:55:20,373
parcel, uh, those don't count to the number of parking

782
00:55:20,373 --> 00:55:23,333
stalls on site. That being said, there is a significant

783
00:55:23,434 --> 00:55:26,213
surplus of parking located in that parquet that isn't required

784
00:55:26,234 --> 00:55:29,493
for any other building. And, uh, so the tenets of

785
00:55:29,493 --> 00:55:33,009
this building would have access to the existing parcade. Uh,

786
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:36,929
similarly, the upper floor setbacks are to the north and

787
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:39,409
west property lines where they're required to have a three

788
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:43,169
metre setback, uh, over the portions of the building that

789
00:55:43,209 --> 00:55:46,849
are over 16 metres in height. Uh, these property lines

790
00:55:46,849 --> 00:55:50,129
are to the west, which is, uh, parcels that contain

791
00:55:50,169 --> 00:55:51,809
a private lane that are also owned by the same

792
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:55,009
applicant and to the north, which is the existing parcade.

793
00:55:55,009 --> 00:55:56,929
So I'm not expected to have a significant impact on

794
00:55:56,929 --> 00:56:02,580
the public realm. The existing site configuration is shown on

795
00:56:02,620 --> 00:56:05,620
the left side of this slide. Uh, the applicant is

796
00:56:05,620 --> 00:56:08,580
proposing a subdivision of the existing parcel as shown in

797
00:56:08,580 --> 00:56:11,060
the red parcel B area. That's going to contain the

798
00:56:11,081 --> 00:56:13,700
new building. And ultimately, uh, you can see on the

799
00:56:13,721 --> 00:56:16,180
farthest right of this slide, the future road right away

800
00:56:16,201 --> 00:56:18,260
for this other lin road extension at some point in

801
00:56:18,260 --> 00:56:23,118
the future when that's constructed. This is the applicant site

802
00:56:23,118 --> 00:56:26,318
plan. The building's main entry would be located on date

803
00:56:26,318 --> 00:56:30,718
and street access to loading bays as well as garbage

804
00:56:30,739 --> 00:56:33,498
and recycling would be provided from a private lane, uh,

805
00:56:33,539 --> 00:56:36,698
along the west property line. The southern part of the

806
00:56:36,698 --> 00:56:39,038
site in the future would be for the Southern Lind

807
00:56:39,038 --> 00:56:42,078
Road extension. In the meantime, the applicant is proposing to

808
00:56:42,339 --> 00:56:45,518
use it as a lane, but also provide it with

809
00:56:45,558 --> 00:56:48,878
a high quality finish to make sort of an urban

810
00:56:48,899 --> 00:56:53,769
plaza on the adjacent portion of their site. This is

811
00:56:53,809 --> 00:56:56,729
the parcade plan showing the 30 parking stalls that are

812
00:56:56,729 --> 00:56:59,529
located within the building. As mentioned, they're located from the

813
00:56:59,630 --> 00:57:03,689
adjacent parcade to the north. As a condition of the

814
00:57:03,710 --> 00:57:06,169
subdivision, they're going to be required to register and access

815
00:57:06,209 --> 00:57:09,049
easement. Uh, that provides access to this parcade through the

816
00:57:09,070 --> 00:57:15,033
adjacent parcel. These are the elevations. This elevation shows the

817
00:57:15,374 --> 00:57:18,793
side of the building facing Dayton Street. The upper floor

818
00:57:18,793 --> 00:57:22,073
setback variants is indicated in red, which is adjacent to

819
00:57:22,113 --> 00:57:25,033
the parcade. They're just not stepping back from the parcade

820
00:57:25,033 --> 00:57:30,287
structure. This is the south elevation facing Sutherland Road. The

821
00:57:30,327 --> 00:57:34,374
future Southern Lind Road. The West elevation, which would be

822
00:57:34,374 --> 00:57:36,294
the rear of their property where that private lane is

823
00:57:36,334 --> 00:57:40,569
located. And finally, the North elevation. This is the elevation

824
00:57:40,569 --> 00:57:46,458
that's facing in their own parquet. The applicant is proposing

825
00:57:46,498 --> 00:57:51,578
of variety of high quality materials, primarily consisting of metal

826
00:57:51,578 --> 00:57:56,767
panels in various colours. This is the applicant's landscape plan,

827
00:57:56,767 --> 00:57:59,647
which includes trees and landscape plantings around the perimeter of

828
00:57:59,647 --> 00:58:03,007
the building. In particular, on that, uh, interim plaza area,

829
00:58:03,007 --> 00:58:05,327
which would be the location of the future Sutherland Road

830
00:58:05,327 --> 00:58:10,087
extension. This is a rendering of the building from the

831
00:58:10,428 --> 00:58:13,927
Dayton Street angle showing the high quality finish and the

832
00:58:14,028 --> 00:58:18,387
substantial building articulation that exists along all frontages of the

833
00:58:18,387 --> 00:58:23,257
building. This slide shows the massing. The building, the new

834
00:58:23,257 --> 00:58:25,097
building would actually do quite a good job of hiding

835
00:58:25,118 --> 00:58:27,577
the existing parcade structure and improving the look of the

836
00:58:27,577 --> 00:58:34,378
building along the street. Rendering also from the South showing

837
00:58:34,378 --> 00:58:39,431
that elevation along the subtle and road extension. And this

838
00:58:39,431 --> 00:58:43,171
is the street context just showing the adjacent property, the

839
00:58:43,171 --> 00:58:45,831
future settled in road extension area and then the adjacent

840
00:58:45,871 --> 00:58:51,749
parcade. The application generally meets the city's OCP design guidelines,

841
00:58:51,749 --> 00:58:54,229
including orienting the primary building facade to the street with

842
00:58:54,490 --> 00:58:57,029
ground - oriented commercial uses to create street - edge

843
00:58:57,029 --> 00:58:59,509
activity, providing site servicing and parking at the rear of

844
00:58:59,509 --> 00:59:03,643
the building and screening them using architectural elements. The design's

845
00:59:03,643 --> 00:59:06,843
compatible with the future transportation network, including reducing curd cups

846
00:59:06,843 --> 00:59:09,563
along the roadway and utilising lane access, and also providing

847
00:59:09,824 --> 00:59:13,874
high quality landscaping and open space at grade. Therefore, staff

848
00:59:13,874 --> 00:59:16,434
recommends support for the proposed development permit and development variance

849
00:59:16,474 --> 00:59:19,154
permit as it aligns with the OCP design guidelines. It's

850
00:59:19,154 --> 00:59:21,614
compatible with the future settle and road extension and the

851
00:59:21,614 --> 00:59:25,854
variances are mainly as a result of the subdivision. Uh,

852
00:59:25,975 --> 00:59:29,314
with excess parking stalls being available on nearby properties and

853
00:59:29,314 --> 00:59:32,354
the upper floor setback variants, uh, improves the screening of

854
00:59:32,354 --> 00:59:35,394
the adjacent parcade and doesn't detract from the public realm.

855
00:59:35,394 --> 00:59:37,474
And that concludes my comments to worship. Thank you, Mark.

856
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,339
The applicant or the applicants representative now has up to

857
00:59:42,379 --> 00:59:46,899
15 minutes to present to council. And I just ask

858
00:59:46,899 --> 00:59:50,019
that you begin by stating your name and street name,

859
00:59:50,019 --> 00:59:54,060
please. Oops, sorry. The presentation.

860
01:00:02,165 --> 01:00:09,580
Is that already. Should be. Perfect. Can you see. Thank

861
01:00:09,620 --> 01:00:09,740
you.

862
01:00:19,751 --> 01:00:23,250
Good evening, your worship. My name is Joanne Adamson and

863
01:00:23,290 --> 01:00:26,323
I'm Director of Development. I'm joined here today by our

864
01:00:26,424 --> 01:00:30,243
architects, Blank and Cameron from Studio 710 who've joined us

865
01:00:30,243 --> 01:00:35,123
online. And my fellow team members, Lisa Colson, Richard and

866
01:00:35,224 --> 01:00:39,749
Sirong. This evening, we are here to present Stober's latest

867
01:00:39,770 --> 01:00:45,742
building called the Phoenix Medical Building. The proposed medical building

868
01:00:45,782 --> 01:00:48,862
is a four - story commercial development with a predominant

869
01:00:48,963 --> 01:00:54,062
retail use at the grand level, located at 1896 Dayton

870
01:00:54,102 --> 01:00:58,222
Street. In the UC2 zone of the Capri landmark Urban

871
01:00:58,243 --> 01:01:01,726
Centre. The proposed building is designed to respond to the

872
01:01:01,747 --> 01:01:07,006
evolving requirements of the 2040 OCP, part of which anticipates

873
01:01:07,046 --> 01:01:11,246
the connection between dolphin and Sutherland Avenue as part of

874
01:01:11,246 --> 01:01:15,495
the Sutherland Aval extension. Additionally, the redevelopment of the site

875
01:01:15,756 --> 01:01:19,655
provides an opportunity to enhance the retail streetscape along Dayton

876
01:01:20,156 --> 01:01:24,403
and screen the landmark VI parcade. Now, more than ever,

877
01:01:25,064 --> 01:01:28,643
access to high quality healthcare services is essential to a

878
01:01:28,643 --> 01:01:33,745
growing and vibrant city. While several health care providers already

879
01:01:33,766 --> 01:01:37,665
exist in the landmark district, the proposed building is intentionally

880
01:01:37,766 --> 01:01:45,635
designed to accommodate a broad range of medical uses. The

881
01:01:45,816 --> 01:01:49,635
proposed development is within the central portion of the landmark

882
01:01:49,675 --> 01:01:53,715
district. The existing use is a single - story building,

883
01:01:53,715 --> 01:01:57,213
dating, to the early 1980s. For a long time, this

884
01:01:57,234 --> 01:02:01,469
was home to accompany called Phoenix Imaging. A while back,

885
01:02:01,650 --> 01:02:04,349
Stober Group purchased the property and the building has since

886
01:02:04,389 --> 01:02:08,189
been used for storage and waiting for the right time.

887
01:02:08,210 --> 01:02:12,230
Well, this time is now. A phoenix is a universal

888
01:02:12,270 --> 01:02:15,990
symbol of rebirth and resilience. And this is why we

889
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:21,142
are keeping the name. The proposal is a brown field

890
01:02:21,483 --> 01:02:24,422
redevelopment site where the property lines will be adjusted to

891
01:02:24,523 --> 01:02:28,811
achieve the city's goal of the Southern extension. The dotted

892
01:02:28,851 --> 01:02:32,571
line illustrates the road connection from Dixon Avenue to Dolphin

893
01:02:32,571 --> 01:02:36,091
Avenue. The site contacts plan also shows how the proposed

894
01:02:36,112 --> 01:02:41,489
building seamlessly integrates into the landmark district. When completed, it

895
01:02:41,590 --> 01:02:46,058
will right across the street from landmark too. Because of

896
01:02:46,058 --> 01:02:49,178
the property line adjustments, it's a real mind vendor to

897
01:02:49,199 --> 01:02:52,058
visualize where the building will be placed. Please allow me

898
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:56,275
a few minutes to walk through the process. The shape

899
01:02:56,296 --> 01:02:58,915
of the current parcel of land is an image number

900
01:02:59,176 --> 01:03:04,275
one. This uniquely shaped parcel contains landmark VI, the landmark

901
01:03:04,376 --> 01:03:08,115
six park eight, and the old Phoenix Building. We intend

902
01:03:08,115 --> 01:03:11,555
to subdivide the southern portion of the land for development.

903
01:03:11,555 --> 01:03:13,395
This is the pink square that is shown in the

904
01:03:13,576 --> 01:03:20,030
second image. The shape of the subdivided parcel will be

905
01:03:20,030 --> 01:03:23,230
further modified to provide a road reserve for the future

906
01:03:23,331 --> 01:03:26,510
Southerland Ave extension, as seen in the light yellow at

907
01:03:26,550 --> 01:03:30,030
the bottom. This modification is the reason why the building

908
01:03:30,070 --> 01:03:34,901
has a unique shape. The image also illustrates that Stober

909
01:03:34,922 --> 01:03:38,341
Group will create a private lane on adjacent land parcels

910
01:03:38,381 --> 01:03:44,143
for future site circulation. The Civil Engineering Dryagram illustrates how

911
01:03:44,484 --> 01:03:48,223
site access will be achieved. For example, a fire truck

912
01:03:48,223 --> 01:03:51,343
will be able to drive north on Dayton, turn left

913
01:03:51,524 --> 01:03:55,343
onto the private laner muse, then turn right on the

914
01:03:55,844 --> 01:04:00,295
new Private Lane. Back onto an existing private lane and

915
01:04:00,295 --> 01:04:04,964
then on to date and. The isometric image shows how

916
01:04:05,065 --> 01:04:07,444
the building will be constructed in a zero lot line

917
01:04:07,484 --> 01:04:10,844
manner against the landmark 6 barcade. We're also going to

918
01:04:10,844 --> 01:04:13,204
use the landmark 6 par K for access to the

919
01:04:13,225 --> 01:04:20,307
underground parking below the building. The proposed building has a

920
01:04:20,328 --> 01:04:23,545
dual street front condition. What this means is that the

921
01:04:23,585 --> 01:04:27,065
building has to respond to date and avenue today and

922
01:04:27,065 --> 01:04:30,874
the future Southern Lind Av tomorrow. The challenge is Sutherland

923
01:04:30,895 --> 01:04:34,354
Ave doesn't exist yet, but it will one day. To

924
01:04:34,354 --> 01:04:37,514
ensure the building is vibrant in the end term, Stober

925
01:04:37,554 --> 01:04:40,074
Group is proposing to construct a laneway muse on the

926
01:04:40,175 --> 01:04:43,034
road reserve. We endeavour to ensure that all of our

927
01:04:43,055 --> 01:04:46,314
buildings are animated and will flourish. And this is why

928
01:04:46,655 --> 01:04:51,419
we're paying so much attention to the ground plane. Comfortable,

929
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:55,099
well - designed streetscapes promote successful retail, and it is

930
01:04:55,139 --> 01:04:57,499
important that the retail business on the ground floor is

931
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:02,694
fruitful on day one. The landscape plan shows the attention

932
01:05:02,715 --> 01:05:07,174
to detail paying to the ground plane planters stamped concrete

933
01:05:07,835 --> 01:05:11,734
street trees catenary lighting. We'll make the muse very inviting.

934
01:05:13,979 --> 01:05:17,158
Variance number one. The parking requirement for the development is

935
01:05:17,419 --> 01:05:22,358
60 stalls. We will be providing 60 stalls 60, sorry,

936
01:05:22,459 --> 01:05:25,638
I apologise. 30 will be under the building and the

937
01:05:25,638 --> 01:05:28,278
remaining 30 will be supplied through the landmark district through

938
01:05:28,459 --> 01:05:34,647
our campus planning program. The second variance is to seek

939
01:05:34,908 --> 01:05:38,567
a relaxation of the three metre setback above 16 metres

940
01:05:39,308 --> 01:05:42,567
along the north portion of the property lane, which is

941
01:05:42,607 --> 01:05:46,221
up against the parcade. And then the lane itself. Really,

942
01:05:46,221 --> 01:05:48,781
it's a zero lot line condition, which is allowed in

943
01:05:49,122 --> 01:05:51,821
an urban centre. We're just taking the lotline condition right

944
01:05:51,861 --> 01:05:58,036
to the top. We have worked to design a building

945
01:05:58,076 --> 01:06:02,595
that responds thoughtfully to the evolving urban context. Planned street

946
01:06:02,595 --> 01:06:05,475
realignments and public realm objectives of the City of Kelowna.

947
01:06:06,577 --> 01:06:10,156
Rather than a curtain wall, this building utilises playful window

948
01:06:10,156 --> 01:06:15,183
patterns in a variety of texture and cladding. Preformed metal

949
01:06:15,223 --> 01:06:18,303
clotting of two main types of material form the wall

950
01:06:18,303 --> 01:06:24,752
surfaces. Natural wood colour spoundrel accents highlight the window patterning.

951
01:06:24,752 --> 01:06:29,012
And similar soffit materials. And screens conceal the mechanical and

952
01:06:29,052 --> 01:06:34,021
electrical equipment. The four story massing is designed with strategic

953
01:06:34,362 --> 01:06:38,261
recesses and projections to add depth and visual interest while

954
01:06:38,261 --> 01:06:43,271
responding to the commercial oriented context. The building's design is

955
01:06:43,452 --> 01:06:49,905
intended to be simple, elegant, and visually memorable. Thriving destinations

956
01:06:49,926 --> 01:06:52,945
are defined by a strong sense of character and community

957
01:06:53,366 --> 01:06:57,905
and how authentically they are connected and reinforced the surrounding

958
01:06:57,945 --> 01:07:01,585
urban fabric. The proposed buildings architecture is designed to enhance

959
01:07:01,625 --> 01:07:04,385
the public realm will provide in a screening effect of

960
01:07:04,425 --> 01:07:09,994
the landmark VI parcade. Thank you for your time. Thank

961
01:07:09,994 --> 01:07:17,989
you. Thank you. It's now the public's opportunity to address

962
01:07:18,250 --> 01:07:20,869
councillor regarding this application. So any members of the public

963
01:07:21,210 --> 01:07:23,909
who wish to speak to council about the application on

964
01:07:24,330 --> 01:07:26,629
Dayton Street, please make your way up to the public

965
01:07:26,810 --> 01:07:30,309
podium or raise your hand in teams of participating online.

966
01:07:30,309 --> 01:07:32,309
You'll have up to five minutes to speak and please

967
01:07:32,349 --> 01:07:38,887
begin by stating your name and street name. This is

968
01:07:38,887 --> 01:07:45,225
the second time I've asking. This is the third and

969
01:07:45,265 --> 01:07:48,185
final time for anyone who wishes to address council regarding

970
01:07:48,185 --> 01:07:53,184
the application on Dayton Street. Seeing non - your worship,

971
01:07:53,184 --> 01:07:56,064
there would be no need for an applicant response. This

972
01:07:56,064 --> 01:07:59,264
would be the opportunity for Council to ask questions of

973
01:07:59,365 --> 01:08:03,824
staff followed by questions of the applicant. So Council, just

974
01:08:03,824 --> 01:08:09,851
confirming that it's staff first. So Councillor Weber, please. Let's

975
01:08:09,891 --> 01:08:11,771
look like a real. Actually quite an exciting addition to

976
01:08:11,811 --> 01:08:16,171
that area. Um, especially considering what's there. Um, in terms

977
01:08:16,171 --> 01:08:19,051
from the city's perspective, uh, how long down the road

978
01:08:19,152 --> 01:08:22,251
are we talking about getting a street buy there, a

979
01:08:22,291 --> 01:08:26,788
Sutherland Road. Your worship construction of the Sutherland Road extension

980
01:08:26,969 --> 01:08:30,228
is still dependent on acquiring future properties to the West.

981
01:08:30,228 --> 01:08:33,508
So until, you know, that sorted out potentially a long

982
01:08:33,508 --> 01:08:35,988
time greater than 10 years, I would say. Oh, okay.

983
01:08:36,489 --> 01:08:38,708
We're not that close. What about the mention of a

984
01:08:38,729 --> 01:08:41,908
city park across what would be a street there? Uh,

985
01:08:42,169 --> 01:08:45,268
your worship, the City owns the adjacent parcel directly to

986
01:08:45,268 --> 01:08:48,148
the south with the intention of a future City Park.

987
01:08:48,148 --> 01:08:50,788
There's currently a commercial building that's located on it. That

988
01:08:50,828 --> 01:08:53,348
low building, that's pictured there that really sort of, okay,

989
01:08:53,348 --> 01:08:55,828
I didn't know that. Okay, that's good to know. And

990
01:08:56,809 --> 01:08:59,968
the parking, maybe I should ask the developer this, but

991
01:08:59,968 --> 01:09:02,948
the parking, the essential extra parking, they're going to provide

992
01:09:02,969 --> 01:09:05,668
within the parkades. They just said in the development that

993
01:09:06,249 --> 01:09:10,508
it's 30 spaces in the district's campus parking program. So

994
01:09:10,508 --> 01:09:12,868
that won't necessarily be 30 spaces immediately next to this

995
01:09:12,908 --> 01:09:16,148
building. It could be spread out over the whole district?

996
01:09:16,409 --> 01:09:20,068
Your worship, um, we're not making them designate 30 spaces

997
01:09:20,249 --> 01:09:23,588
immediately next to this building. The applicant, uh, centrally manages

998
01:09:24,409 --> 01:09:27,268
a very significant amount of parking in this immediate neighbourhood.

999
01:09:27,268 --> 01:09:28,948
So it would be up to the applicant to manage

1000
01:09:28,969 --> 01:09:32,068
their parking for their tenants and their visitors in a

1001
01:09:32,068 --> 01:09:35,188
manner that functions for them. Uh, staff are confident given

1002
01:09:35,188 --> 01:09:39,828
the supply that's existing in the neighbourhood that the bylaw

1003
01:09:39,828 --> 01:09:42,788
requirements among all the different buildings. It's just, that sounds

1004
01:09:42,788 --> 01:09:43,988
fine to me. It's just, it sounds a little tricky

1005
01:09:44,028 --> 01:09:46,388
that, uh, 30 spaces for this building could be spread

1006
01:09:46,428 --> 01:09:49,028
out amongst a bunch of different parcades. If for people

1007
01:09:49,028 --> 01:09:50,628
who are going to that building, it would be tricky

1008
01:09:50,668 --> 01:09:52,388
to find those spots if that's true. But maybe that's

1009
01:09:52,428 --> 01:09:57,108
more of a question for the developer. Thank you. Mark,

1010
01:09:57,108 --> 01:09:58,388
I'm just going to stay on that line for one

1011
01:09:58,428 --> 01:10:01,748
second just before I move off. Um, the, I guess

1012
01:10:01,788 --> 01:10:05,428
I'm just looking for that greater level of comfort, understanding

1013
01:10:05,468 --> 01:10:09,348
that there was 60 parking spaces that were requested on

1014
01:10:09,388 --> 01:10:12,848
this particular site. And it is down to 30. Um,

1015
01:10:12,889 --> 01:10:18,288
and there is obviously substantial parking throughout the area. Um,

1016
01:10:19,529 --> 01:10:23,028
I guess when we looked at the development permits and

1017
01:10:23,068 --> 01:10:26,768
building all of the parking throughout the other areas, did

1018
01:10:26,809 --> 01:10:30,788
those parking a lot mean exceed what we're required for

1019
01:10:30,969 --> 01:10:35,588
those developments. And so we are now tapping into what

1020
01:10:35,609 --> 01:10:39,668
is excess based upon those developments to meet the requirements

1021
01:10:39,929 --> 01:10:42,628
of this. I mean, just if you can ask that

1022
01:10:42,668 --> 01:10:43,748
that's what I'm, that's what I'm just kind of looking

1023
01:10:43,748 --> 01:10:47,188
for that level of comfort. That's correct your worship. We

1024
01:10:47,228 --> 01:10:49,268
did get the applicant to prove out the amount of

1025
01:10:49,369 --> 01:10:51,748
parking that was required for the existing buildings that they

1026
01:10:51,748 --> 01:10:54,228
have in the neighbourhood and the existing parking supply that

1027
01:10:54,268 --> 01:10:55,888
they had. And it was found that they had, uh,

1028
01:10:56,169 --> 01:10:59,668
significant amount of excess parking available based on the current

1029
01:10:59,689 --> 01:11:02,788
buildings that exist. I believe a several hundred stalls in

1030
01:11:03,049 --> 01:11:08,868
excess. So there's certainly significantly more than 30 stalls excess,

1031
01:11:08,868 --> 01:11:11,028
including in the adjacent parcade itself. Thank you for that

1032
01:11:11,129 --> 01:11:14,028
comfort. Thank you. Councillor Cannon, please. I was going to

1033
01:11:14,028 --> 01:11:16,548
ask questions similar lines. So this would be the eighth

1034
01:11:16,588 --> 01:11:18,148
building. I was just wondering if you know the total

1035
01:11:18,169 --> 01:11:21,348
number of parking spots with the on the campus with

1036
01:11:21,388 --> 01:11:24,547
the state building. Your worship, I don't know the total

1037
01:11:24,587 --> 01:11:27,347
number of parking spots offhand. Uh, we did calculate as

1038
01:11:27,347 --> 01:11:28,547
part of the process. I believe it was more than

1039
01:11:28,728 --> 01:11:31,187
a thousand among all the different parcades in the area.

1040
01:11:31,187 --> 01:11:34,067
Uh, I don't know exactly number. Okay. Thanks. When I

1041
01:11:34,067 --> 01:11:38,207
went by the property today, just in between 1896, the

1042
01:11:38,207 --> 01:11:41,747
building site and the parquet, I think the applicant said

1043
01:11:41,787 --> 01:11:43,887
they're going to keep that laneway so that you can

1044
01:11:43,887 --> 01:11:45,587
actually, right now it's, it's fenced off, but they're going

1045
01:11:45,587 --> 01:11:49,433
to open that up. So it'll be circulating. Sorry. Your

1046
01:11:49,473 --> 01:11:52,233
worship just to clarify that to the, between the parcade

1047
01:11:52,233 --> 01:11:54,633
and the building or to the west of the building.

1048
01:11:54,633 --> 01:11:56,313
To the, between the park eight and the building, existing

1049
01:11:56,334 --> 01:12:00,233
building. Your worship, this building is being built immediately next

1050
01:12:00,254 --> 01:12:02,073
to the parquet. There's not going to be any space

1051
01:12:02,113 --> 01:12:04,553
in between them. Uh, access to this building is going

1052
01:12:04,553 --> 01:12:06,953
to be through the parcade. So it's zero lot line

1053
01:12:06,993 --> 01:12:09,753
on both sides of the future subdivision line. Uh, there

1054
01:12:09,793 --> 01:12:12,233
is a private lane that the applicant is proposing to

1055
01:12:12,233 --> 01:12:14,793
the west which connects to an existing private lane that

1056
01:12:14,814 --> 01:12:17,593
they own, uh, north of those parcels. Thanks for the

1057
01:12:17,633 --> 01:12:21,193
clarification in Councillor Weber asked the timing. So another decade

1058
01:12:21,374 --> 01:12:24,637
or so before the road goes through. So that the

1059
01:12:24,677 --> 01:12:27,037
muse and the trees will be well plant mature by

1060
01:12:27,058 --> 01:12:31,172
then. Thanks. Thank you. Um, if I may, I do

1061
01:12:31,172 --> 01:12:33,172
have a question for the applicant, please, if they could

1062
01:12:33,212 --> 01:12:38,122
come back up. And thank you for being here today.

1063
01:12:38,223 --> 01:12:40,522
Of course. And grateful for this presentation. I mean, obviously

1064
01:12:40,623 --> 01:12:44,442
the importance of, uh, medical and pulling medical buildings into

1065
01:12:44,463 --> 01:12:48,122
our community is extremely important. So thank you for that.

1066
01:12:48,122 --> 01:12:50,762
My question still goes around and maybe just again, getting

1067
01:12:50,863 --> 01:12:54,042
that, getting that greater level of comfort around the park.

1068
01:12:54,042 --> 01:12:56,202
When you're having a medical building, the assumption is that

1069
01:12:56,303 --> 01:12:58,362
a lot of those individuals are going into the medical

1070
01:12:58,543 --> 01:13:02,762
building. So their ability to kind of walk great distances

1071
01:13:04,063 --> 01:13:08,202
or get to that service. And again, looking for that

1072
01:13:08,242 --> 01:13:11,882
level of comfort, um, uh, just recognising that there is

1073
01:13:12,223 --> 01:13:15,562
extra parking available, but is it inconveniencing them with regards

1074
01:13:15,562 --> 01:13:17,802
to what they're trying to do, getting into a medical

1075
01:13:17,823 --> 01:13:22,389
building. Great question, your worship. Um, we are going to

1076
01:13:22,410 --> 01:13:25,509
make sure that the users of the medical building as

1077
01:13:25,509 --> 01:13:27,669
well as the tennis of the medical building have convenient

1078
01:13:27,690 --> 01:13:32,229
parking. Um, just to put people's minds at rest when

1079
01:13:32,890 --> 01:13:36,949
what we call the Dixon parcade, um, that was built

1080
01:13:37,130 --> 01:13:39,589
not for a specific building. So that's where the excess

1081
01:13:39,629 --> 01:13:44,229
parking is. So between our overall campus that we manage

1082
01:13:44,250 --> 01:13:49,029
with indigo. So we have a really well established parking

1083
01:13:49,069 --> 01:13:52,229
partner who's helping us oversee the entire program. And we

1084
01:13:52,229 --> 01:13:56,389
can, um, ebb and flow between parking. And we can,

1085
01:13:56,389 --> 01:14:02,098
um, assign different parking stalls to different places. Okay. Okay.

1086
01:14:02,098 --> 01:14:04,738
Yeah. Just looking for, I mean, obviously understanding that if

1087
01:14:04,738 --> 01:14:06,778
somebody needs that type of care, they're not going to

1088
01:14:06,999 --> 01:14:09,218
want to walk a long distance in any way, shape

1089
01:14:09,218 --> 01:14:12,258
or form. So just recognising that, I think is important.

1090
01:14:12,258 --> 01:14:16,144
And it sounds like you have. We've got that covered.

1091
01:14:16,144 --> 01:14:19,264
But I do appreciate the question. Thank you. Thank you.

1092
01:14:19,264 --> 01:14:21,184
Um, you can take a seat. Please. There's no further

1093
01:14:21,285 --> 01:14:23,344
questions. Thank you very much. Thank you. City clerk, please.

1094
01:14:23,412 --> 01:14:26,991
Thank you, worship. That concludes public input on this item.

1095
01:14:26,991 --> 01:14:28,591
And we'd be looking for a mover in seconder of

1096
01:14:28,631 --> 01:14:32,751
the staff recommendation. Um, move by councillor Weber, seconded by

1097
01:14:32,772 --> 01:14:37,261
Councillor Bulridge. Do we have comments? Councillor Singh. Just want

1098
01:14:37,261 --> 01:14:39,101
to say it's going to be a perfect addition to

1099
01:14:40,402 --> 01:14:44,781
the location, the buildings nearby. This sort of, this sort

1100
01:14:44,781 --> 01:14:47,901
of looks like an older building stuck in a very

1101
01:14:48,642 --> 01:14:53,313
modern environment. It goes, it's so old that I can

1102
01:14:53,353 --> 01:14:57,748
tell you Council Cannon used to play drums there. In

1103
01:14:57,748 --> 01:15:01,350
the old building. That's how old it is. Thank. You.

1104
01:15:01,611 --> 01:15:06,710
Councillor Councillor Stock, please. Just briefly two words. Nice job.

1105
01:15:09,286 --> 01:15:13,025
Councillor Hart, please. Thank you, worship. Yeah. I, for one,

1106
01:15:13,025 --> 01:15:15,265
I'm going to be very happy that that parcade is

1107
01:15:15,305 --> 01:15:17,825
not going to be seeing anymore. So honestly, that is

1108
01:15:17,846 --> 01:15:21,965
a big addition because parkades can be very ugly. And

1109
01:15:22,006 --> 01:15:24,385
that's been there like that building's been there a long

1110
01:15:24,385 --> 01:15:27,345
time. Um, I think the number of jobs that this

1111
01:15:27,345 --> 01:15:30,785
is going to create and the vibrancy of the, of

1112
01:15:30,825 --> 01:15:34,065
that area. And eventually when, you know, we knew this

1113
01:15:34,486 --> 01:15:36,505
road that's going to be going through there. Maybe it

1114
01:15:36,505 --> 01:15:38,865
might be 10 years or more. But, uh, it's great

1115
01:15:38,886 --> 01:15:42,065
that that's secured. Of course, it's all to do with,

1116
01:15:42,105 --> 01:15:45,165
with land and how we can acquire the land. And

1117
01:15:45,165 --> 01:15:47,325
hopefully that'll be a little bit at a time. But

1118
01:15:47,325 --> 01:15:49,665
anyway, I think the building's very handsome. And I think

1119
01:15:49,665 --> 01:15:52,545
it'll be a great addition to the neighbourhood. I actually,

1120
01:15:52,585 --> 01:15:55,985
a few neighbours called me and just said that, Hey,

1121
01:15:55,985 --> 01:15:59,345
in their neighbourhood, they're actually on Dixon. And they were

1122
01:15:59,385 --> 01:16:01,825
quite interested in it. And they had no complaints. They

1123
01:16:01,825 --> 01:16:04,225
just thought it was a great addition to their neighbourhood.

1124
01:16:04,225 --> 01:16:09,025
So thank you. Councillor Cannon, please. Thanks Akama. Council colleagues

1125
01:16:09,046 --> 01:16:11,345
comments. And I just want to applaud the applicant as

1126
01:16:11,345 --> 01:16:17,665
well for the excess animating the future Southern Road. That's,

1127
01:16:17,665 --> 01:16:19,345
I think over and above because, as I said, it

1128
01:16:19,345 --> 01:16:21,105
could be 10, 20 years. The only problem with the

1129
01:16:21,105 --> 01:16:23,105
Council of the day having to cut down all those

1130
01:16:23,105 --> 01:16:26,465
trees. I didn't want to be here. Listen to you

1131
01:16:26,465 --> 01:16:28,865
here at that time. But yeah, it's definitely a great.

1132
01:16:28,865 --> 01:16:32,465
And I know it's a medical tourism growing market for

1133
01:16:32,505 --> 01:16:36,545
our community. I had, uh, really true call me. They're

1134
01:16:36,545 --> 01:16:39,345
fighting over the space. I really, so the high demand.

1135
01:16:39,345 --> 01:16:41,265
And the last thing I beasty is that for our

1136
01:16:41,305 --> 01:16:44,545
practice for ship teams are familiar with the building. Sad

1137
01:16:44,545 --> 01:16:45,585
to see it go, but it's going to be a

1138
01:16:45,585 --> 01:16:49,425
great addition. Thanks. Council Love Grow, please. Thanks, your worship.

1139
01:16:49,425 --> 01:16:52,945
Thanks very much for the presentation. And, um, I'm with

1140
01:16:53,286 --> 01:16:54,865
all my colleagues on this one as well, but I

1141
01:16:54,865 --> 01:16:55,905
just want to point out one other thing. I mean,

1142
01:16:55,905 --> 01:16:58,945
this is also weekends. We have our farmers market down

1143
01:16:58,985 --> 01:17:02,385
there, right? Uh, thanks to you folks for hosting them.

1144
01:17:02,385 --> 01:17:05,265
And it's really congested for me and going down there.

1145
01:17:05,265 --> 01:17:07,985
And I love the Lebanese restaurant that's right beside this.

1146
01:17:07,985 --> 01:17:11,825
So I'm frequent visitor this. But more importantly, you're going

1147
01:17:11,825 --> 01:17:15,185
to one step closer to that local internal road connection

1148
01:17:15,286 --> 01:17:18,385
that we really need to remove or at least reduce

1149
01:17:18,425 --> 01:17:21,665
the congestion. It'll help folks make trips and keep them

1150
01:17:21,846 --> 01:17:24,065
internal to the neighbourhood. So they don't have to go

1151
01:17:24,086 --> 01:17:26,625
out on her view and then wait to get the

1152
01:17:26,665 --> 01:17:28,625
ball and go around the corner. It's, it is a

1153
01:17:28,625 --> 01:17:32,865
little bit of craziness. Um, so, uh, compliments on having

1154
01:17:33,126 --> 01:17:36,145
a lane for fire access at least. It's private I

1155
01:17:36,145 --> 01:17:39,185
get that. But at least you're improving safety already by

1156
01:17:39,225 --> 01:17:42,865
doing this. So thanks again. Thank you. Uh, Council calling

1157
01:17:42,865 --> 01:17:46,752
the questions all in favor. Post carried. And thank you

1158
01:17:46,933 --> 01:17:49,772
once again for the applicant being here this evening. And

1159
01:17:49,772 --> 01:17:57,451
Mark, thank you also. Your worship, that brings us to

1160
01:17:57,552 --> 01:18:01,611
item 5. 3 on the agenda. And this is a

1161
01:18:01,712 --> 01:18:05,131
development variance permit for a property on Southern Avenue here

1162
01:18:05,131 --> 01:18:06,731
to present a staff from development planning.

1163
01:18:20,497 --> 01:18:23,836
Thank you. Yourship. This is to review a staff recommendation

1164
01:18:23,876 --> 01:18:26,716
to not issue a development variance permit to vary the

1165
01:18:26,716 --> 01:18:30,683
number of visitor parking stalls required. On the subject property.

1166
01:18:32,081 --> 01:18:36,460
This application was received in June. Public notification was completed.

1167
01:18:39,767 --> 01:18:43,026
Project is located in the Capri landmark Urban Centre, just

1168
01:18:43,026 --> 01:18:45,666
east of Capri Centre Mall and the site is double

1169
01:18:45,666 --> 01:18:51,982
fronting onto both Sutherland Avenue and Pridham Avenue. The project

1170
01:18:52,083 --> 01:18:55,822
has finished construction and has received provisional occupancy. It was

1171
01:18:55,923 --> 01:18:59,843
approved with 240 units. These images are recent. Give us

1172
01:18:59,843 --> 01:19:01,963
an idea of the current on - street parking in

1173
01:19:01,963 --> 01:19:06,523
the neighbourhood. Um, this is the building facing north. Oh,

1174
01:19:06,523 --> 01:19:10,603
sorry. Neighbourhood context. This is the building areal image facing

1175
01:19:10,643 --> 01:19:14,523
north and then southernly avenue. These are the images of

1176
01:19:14,864 --> 01:19:17,943
the, uh, neighbourhood that were recently taken that showed the

1177
01:19:17,984 --> 01:19:21,723
on - street parking situation. Uh, Devin Chryer Avenue facing

1178
01:19:21,744 --> 01:19:27,790
south and Pridham Avenue facing east. In terms of technical

1179
01:19:27,971 --> 01:19:35,150
details, this project was six stories, 240 units, 153 studios,

1180
01:19:35,651 --> 01:19:38,430
147 of those were micro suites. So that means that

1181
01:19:38,771 --> 01:19:42,670
they're less than 29 metres squared. 41 bedroom, 42 two

1182
01:19:42,710 --> 01:19:46,270
bedroom and five, three bedroom, 306 long - term bike

1183
01:19:46,270 --> 01:19:52,092
parking. The development permit approval included a reduction of 10

1184
01:19:52,273 --> 01:19:55,532
stalls in total, five of which were for providing a

1185
01:19:55,633 --> 01:20:00,253
car share. Five of which were for providing extra bike

1186
01:20:00,253 --> 01:20:03,465
parking. And then three stalls were paid for it into

1187
01:20:03,465 --> 01:20:06,665
the cash and lie program, which recently ended when council

1188
01:20:06,686 --> 01:20:09,465
adopted the new parking regulations in the zoning bylaw this

1189
01:20:09,566 --> 01:20:14,889
past spring. In total, the development has 226 stalls, and

1190
01:20:14,889 --> 01:20:20,793
that includes 34 visitors dolls. Under the current parking regulations,

1191
01:20:20,833 --> 01:20:24,153
the recently adopted ones. The building would require a total

1192
01:20:24,174 --> 01:20:28,553
of 233 stalls, and that also includes 34 visitors dolls.

1193
01:20:28,553 --> 01:20:31,673
So the visitors stall rate has not changed. Uh, and

1194
01:20:31,673 --> 01:20:34,313
the applicant is proposing to reallocate 10 of the visitor

1195
01:20:34,494 --> 01:20:39,655
stalls to regular stalls. Staff are not supportive of this

1196
01:20:39,756 --> 01:20:43,895
variance. This area has experienced significant transformation of new apartment

1197
01:20:43,935 --> 01:20:46,855
buildings in the past two to three years. The concern

1198
01:20:46,895 --> 01:20:51,095
is that reallocating stalls from visitors to regular will create

1199
01:20:51,095 --> 01:20:54,903
the potential for an overflow of on street parking. The

1200
01:20:55,084 --> 01:20:58,183
only usable street frontage for on - street parking in

1201
01:20:58,444 --> 01:21:02,583
this specific site area is Pridham Avenue because of the

1202
01:21:02,844 --> 01:21:06,103
bike lanes that are on Sutherland Avenue. So that has

1203
01:21:06,103 --> 01:21:08,663
the potential to create additional spill out into the neighbourhood.

1204
01:21:09,423 --> 01:21:12,442
And as a general note for council, parking services is

1205
01:21:12,463 --> 01:21:15,722
in early stages of developing an area parking plan for

1206
01:21:15,743 --> 01:21:18,522
this urban centre. That will have an impact on the

1207
01:21:18,623 --> 01:21:21,562
long - term parking availability in the future, but the

1208
01:21:21,602 --> 01:21:25,402
details of that is unknown at this time. Staff are

1209
01:21:25,442 --> 01:21:28,442
not comfortable with approving an amendment without knowing what the

1210
01:21:28,623 --> 01:21:30,602
on - street parking management plan will look like in

1211
01:21:30,602 --> 01:21:33,962
the future. That concludes my presentation. Thank you. Thank you,

1212
01:21:33,983 --> 01:21:39,863
Justin. It's now the applicant or the applicant's representative's opportunity

1213
01:21:39,903 --> 01:21:44,343
to address council regarding this application. And so I just

1214
01:21:44,343 --> 01:21:46,663
asked that you begin by stating your name and street

1215
01:21:46,703 --> 01:21:48,503
name, and you'll have up to five minutes to present.

1216
01:21:58,968 --> 01:22:05,359
I just need to set up my presentation. Thank you,

1217
01:22:05,399 --> 01:22:13,726
Alex. Help me, everybody. Where. S your presentation. Here? Should.

1218
01:22:13,785 --> 01:22:18,998
Be a PDF. Take it. Right here. Oh. This is

1219
01:22:18,998 --> 01:22:23,348
it. Perfect. Yeah. Okay. That's about it. As good as

1220
01:22:23,388 --> 01:22:27,076
we can get it there. Also. Okay.

1221
01:22:34,093 --> 01:22:40,390
Thanks. Good afternoon worship. Members of council. My name is

1222
01:22:40,411 --> 01:22:43,270
Daven Shalong, and I'm the director of land development with

1223
01:22:43,531 --> 01:22:49,065
Millennial Developments. We're located at suite 1100 1631 Dixon Avenue.

1224
01:22:49,801 --> 01:22:52,820
Uh, we're clona - based developer. You may be familiar

1225
01:22:52,860 --> 01:22:55,140
with some of our projects, two of which I'm going

1226
01:22:55,140 --> 01:22:58,980
to be referencing here tonight. And I'm here really to

1227
01:22:59,020 --> 01:23:02,160
ask for what I believe is a straightforward variance. Um,

1228
01:23:03,401 --> 01:23:08,260
it's a reduction in visitor parking cells from 34 stalls

1229
01:23:08,300 --> 01:23:11,980
to 24 stalls. Um, that's it. But as part of

1230
01:23:11,980 --> 01:23:14,140
the variance, I'd like to share with you why I

1231
01:23:14,140 --> 01:23:22,296
think, uh, I think our data supports us. So this

1232
01:23:22,317 --> 01:23:25,976
slide represents the variance request and plain terms. Uh, and

1233
01:23:26,077 --> 01:23:29,016
I'll say that the data we're using is based on

1234
01:23:29,277 --> 01:23:32,856
empirical observations from our five crossings building, which is essentially

1235
01:23:33,117 --> 01:23:36,400
ready across the street from, from a revval project. Um,

1236
01:23:36,421 --> 01:23:43,180
it's directly comparable to Revo, um, same general size, uh,

1237
01:23:44,021 --> 01:23:48,320
composition, et cetera. The 34 visitor stalls were approved under

1238
01:23:48,421 --> 01:23:52,400
this existing DP by yourselves. Um, and they total of

1239
01:23:52,581 --> 01:23:56,720
24 delivered visitor stalls is what we're proposing under this

1240
01:23:56,901 --> 01:24:00,720
variance. Uh, this effectively translates to a reduction of 10

1241
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:04,240
stalls, which are going to be reallocated entirely to resident

1242
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:07,520
parking. That's the proposal here. Um, there's a few things

1243
01:24:07,621 --> 01:24:10,651
I want to be crystal clear about. We're not removing

1244
01:24:10,912 --> 01:24:13,725
parking from the building at all. Uh, every one of

1245
01:24:13,725 --> 01:24:18,045
the 10 stalls, um, stays in the parcade. We're simply

1246
01:24:18,045 --> 01:24:21,245
moving them from the visitor parking column to the resident

1247
01:24:21,346 --> 01:24:25,485
parking column. And, uh, and we can, we can demonstrate

1248
01:24:25,506 --> 01:24:28,605
that that demand exists, obviously. I also want to be

1249
01:24:28,645 --> 01:24:32,125
clear that we have the physical capacity to deliver on

1250
01:24:32,146 --> 01:24:35,885
the 34 visitor stalls. That was approved in the original

1251
01:24:36,146 --> 01:24:41,005
DP application. So, um, we're not in a precarious position.

1252
01:24:41,005 --> 01:24:44,445
We're not, you know, we haven't hit a snag or

1253
01:24:44,485 --> 01:24:48,425
anything like that. Um, we just prefer not to, uh,

1254
01:24:48,466 --> 01:24:52,685
delivered as visitor, uh, and deliver it as resident parking.

1255
01:24:55,043 --> 01:24:58,422
I'd also like to address, um, a question, because I

1256
01:24:58,422 --> 01:25:01,262
believe it is a fair question. If you're thinking it,

1257
01:25:01,262 --> 01:25:03,902
why didn't we ask for this when we originally submitted

1258
01:25:03,942 --> 01:25:08,054
our, uh, DP application. The honest answer is because we

1259
01:25:08,094 --> 01:25:09,894
had no basis for it. And we had no business

1260
01:25:10,075 --> 01:25:14,614
to ask for it. Um, we didn't, we didn't have

1261
01:25:14,795 --> 01:25:18,534
any data on the five crossings project, uh, that was

1262
01:25:18,795 --> 01:25:21,414
currently in the, in the process of being built out.

1263
01:25:21,414 --> 01:25:25,334
We didn't have any, uh, empirical data, uh, so to

1264
01:25:25,374 --> 01:25:28,454
have requested a visitor parking reduction on the basis of

1265
01:25:28,635 --> 01:25:33,414
speculation would have been premature and inappropriate and frankly unfair

1266
01:25:33,454 --> 01:25:36,614
to the city's process. So we made a deliberate decision.

1267
01:25:36,614 --> 01:25:39,414
We built what was approved. We committed to the 34

1268
01:25:39,435 --> 01:25:42,134
visitor stalls as designed. And then we observed what was

1269
01:25:42,174 --> 01:25:45,654
happening at our, at our sister building at five crossings.

1270
01:25:46,829 --> 01:25:49,608
So for nearly two years, the building management team at

1271
01:25:49,648 --> 01:25:52,968
five crossings tracked all the visitor parking utilization on a

1272
01:25:52,968 --> 01:25:56,948
daily basis includes, uh, through the day, the evenings, the

1273
01:25:56,948 --> 01:26:02,342
weekends and even those holidays. Um, only once that, uh,

1274
01:26:02,463 --> 01:26:05,242
that data was clear and consistent, uh, did we bring

1275
01:26:05,242 --> 01:26:07,882
this application forward? And I believe this is one of

1276
01:26:07,882 --> 01:26:13,402
the reasons that the variance process exists for these situations.

1277
01:26:13,402 --> 01:26:17,242
Uh, particularly where information emerges post approval, uh, that couldn't

1278
01:26:17,423 --> 01:26:19,722
have been known at the time of the original submission.

1279
01:26:28,331 --> 01:26:31,520
Um, I've got a few photos here for you. These

1280
01:26:31,621 --> 01:26:35,040
were taken at our five crossings development over multiple days

1281
01:26:35,061 --> 01:26:37,760
and times. Um, I'm going to get right to the

1282
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:40,240
point here. The image in the top right was taken

1283
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:43,520
this past August long weekend. And in Colonna, we all

1284
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:46,640
know what that means. Um, it's the peak of summer.

1285
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:50,160
Residents are entertaining. We have a ton of visitors here.

1286
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:52,080
And if our visitor parking was ever going to be

1287
01:26:52,181 --> 01:26:54,720
at capacity, this would be the weekend when we had

1288
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:57,520
see it. Uh, as you can see, the stalls are,

1289
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:01,040
uh, essentially empty. I'll also point out that the other

1290
01:27:01,141 --> 01:27:06,800
three photos have less parking. Um, than what you would

1291
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:09,760
see on that August long weekend. And the one in

1292
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:13,120
the top left, uh, the one vehicle, um, that is

1293
01:27:13,141 --> 01:27:16,060
there that is actually my vehicle. Um, where I was

1294
01:27:16,101 --> 01:27:24,773
taking a photo. Let me put numbers to what I've

1295
01:27:24,773 --> 01:27:29,413
been referring to. Our five crossings development, which is where

1296
01:27:29,514 --> 01:27:32,933
we're pulling the data from. It's 207 units. It's 28

1297
01:27:32,973 --> 01:27:37,733
visitor stalls. Over nearly two full years of stabilized augmency,

1298
01:27:37,733 --> 01:27:41,573
including evenings and weekends. The building management team consistently observed

1299
01:27:41,834 --> 01:27:46,933
roughly 20 percent utilization. So in practical terms, only six

1300
01:27:46,933 --> 01:27:49,773
of those 28 stalls had a vehicle in them. So

1301
01:27:50,074 --> 01:27:54,613
22 are consistently empty. Um, it's, it's not a rounding

1302
01:27:54,653 --> 01:27:58,133
area, uh, rounding error. This is, this is the reality

1303
01:27:58,173 --> 01:28:03,653
of how visitors are using parking in five crossings and

1304
01:28:03,693 --> 01:28:05,893
exactly how we anticipate it'll be used in Revo as

1305
01:28:05,893 --> 01:28:11,333
well. Um, we've also had these observations formally confirmed in

1306
01:28:11,373 --> 01:28:17,013
writing by the building management team. Um, again, it's, it's

1307
01:28:17,194 --> 01:28:19,733
direct day to day oversight of the facility that's occurring

1308
01:28:19,773 --> 01:28:22,693
by, by their team lead Ric Doucette. And he's included

1309
01:28:22,874 --> 01:28:25,573
a letter in our application. And I imagine it's in

1310
01:28:25,594 --> 01:28:30,453
your council packages as well. Um, I'd like to take

1311
01:28:30,634 --> 01:28:33,253
just a couple of moments to review some of his

1312
01:28:33,834 --> 01:28:37,761
excerpts here. Quote one speaks to the consistency of the

1313
01:28:37,862 --> 01:28:41,201
pattern that I've been referring to. So visitor parking at

1314
01:28:41,222 --> 01:28:46,321
five crossings is consistently underutilized. Quote two raises something that

1315
01:28:46,361 --> 01:28:49,441
I don't think anyone anticipated, which I believe sanctions are

1316
01:28:49,481 --> 01:28:55,761
case. And Rick, the lead building management, um, personnel has

1317
01:28:55,862 --> 01:28:58,961
noted that the sheer volume of empty visitor stalls creates

1318
01:28:58,961 --> 01:29:02,641
an ongoing management problem because residents who don't have a

1319
01:29:02,681 --> 01:29:05,921
dedicated stall are tempted to use the glut of available

1320
01:29:06,022 --> 01:29:10,001
visitor stalls. And that really undermines the parking program and

1321
01:29:10,022 --> 01:29:13,121
creates enforcement burden. Now I know the enforcement burden isn't

1322
01:29:13,142 --> 01:29:19,201
councils concern. Uh, but really this is, this is, this

1323
01:29:19,241 --> 01:29:22,641
is why we believe reallocating the stalls to resident is

1324
01:29:22,681 --> 01:29:26,001
a, is a good solution. It puts supply. We're genuine

1325
01:29:26,102 --> 01:29:33,564
demand exists. And then quote three just confirms a utilization

1326
01:29:33,665 --> 01:29:35,964
value that I've, that I've been referring to, which is

1327
01:29:36,065 --> 01:29:39,804
a 20 percent which is consistent across all the days,

1328
01:29:39,804 --> 01:29:49,503
including the peak periods. This is a table, um. That

1329
01:29:49,524 --> 01:29:53,103
will take everything we've just established at five crossing and

1330
01:29:53,103 --> 01:29:55,903
imply it directly to Revo, uh, at a 20 percent

1331
01:29:56,004 --> 01:29:59,983
utilization that proposed 24 stalls would have roughly five to

1332
01:30:00,023 --> 01:30:03,423
six vehicles in the met peak demand. This leaves 19

1333
01:30:03,524 --> 01:30:06,543
stalls. That would be vacant in Revo at its peak

1334
01:30:06,564 --> 01:30:10,543
period. Even after the reduction, uh, the building is still

1335
01:30:10,543 --> 01:30:14,623
really materially over parked for visitor use. Um, and this

1336
01:30:14,623 --> 01:30:17,263
is why I would argue that this variance doesn't create

1337
01:30:17,263 --> 01:30:21,983
a deficiency. It actually eliminates an excess and redirects at

1338
01:30:22,004 --> 01:30:25,983
axis to where the data shows demand actually exists. And,

1339
01:30:25,983 --> 01:30:28,943
uh, and also to what, uh, staff was referring to.

1340
01:30:31,695 --> 01:30:34,234
I'd like to take a few moments just to reference

1341
01:30:34,335 --> 01:30:37,034
staff's report. And thank you for the report, Jocelyn and

1342
01:30:37,074 --> 01:30:42,379
Jason. Because I think the report makes some excellent points

1343
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:46,379
and raises exactly the right concerns. And this is what

1344
01:30:46,419 --> 01:30:50,219
I want to show counsel and why our proposal actually

1345
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:56,539
helps resolve these concerns. So staff report identified two reasons

1346
01:30:56,579 --> 01:30:59,499
to oppose the application. The first was that the reduction

1347
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:04,394
in visitor stalls poses increased pressure. On on street parking

1348
01:31:04,434 --> 01:31:07,354
management and second that it could lead to deficient on

1349
01:31:07,455 --> 01:31:11,711
- site visitor parking. But I, again, I want to

1350
01:31:11,711 --> 01:31:14,471
be straight with you. These, those two concerns are almost

1351
01:31:14,652 --> 01:31:19,671
exactly why we're making this application. Um, the reality of

1352
01:31:19,711 --> 01:31:22,071
how parking works in a building like this is that

1353
01:31:22,071 --> 01:31:25,591
when residents don't have a designated parking stall, they park

1354
01:31:25,591 --> 01:31:28,311
on the street. And that's if they're following the rules,

1355
01:31:28,311 --> 01:31:33,029
not trying to use our visitor parking. Every resident vehicle

1356
01:31:33,370 --> 01:31:35,589
we can place into a permanent stall inside this building

1357
01:31:35,850 --> 01:31:38,629
is one less vehicle on the street. The 10 stalls

1358
01:31:38,650 --> 01:31:43,029
we're relocating go directly to resident parking addressing a documented

1359
01:31:43,050 --> 01:31:48,869
gap, because not every suite at Rebo is assigned with

1360
01:31:49,050 --> 01:31:51,955
parking. Um, in fact, we do have a handful of

1361
01:31:51,976 --> 01:31:55,555
suites that don't have parking come with them. And that's

1362
01:31:55,555 --> 01:32:00,355
why we're trying to do this. Um, staff also flagged

1363
01:32:00,376 --> 01:32:03,555
the Capri landmark parking review and the importance of maintaining

1364
01:32:03,736 --> 01:32:07,075
adequate off street parking supply. I couldn't agree more. This

1365
01:32:07,096 --> 01:32:10,195
is exactly what I'm trying to achieve here. We're maximizing

1366
01:32:10,235 --> 01:32:13,395
the use of Offstreet supply by moving the 10 unused

1367
01:32:13,395 --> 01:32:19,110
stalls to an area that actually needs it. So that's

1368
01:32:19,131 --> 01:32:21,590
again why I argue that this proposal is actually well

1369
01:32:21,691 --> 01:32:25,670
aligned with staff subjective, not necessarily in conflict with it.

1370
01:32:25,670 --> 01:32:29,670
Um, I also understand there was an opposition. Opposition letter

1371
01:32:29,691 --> 01:32:33,190
submitted. And the sentiment of the letter was essentially the

1372
01:32:33,190 --> 01:32:35,430
same thing. It was there's too much parking on the

1373
01:32:35,430 --> 01:32:40,310
streets in this area. Um, again, I agree. And ultimately

1374
01:32:40,811 --> 01:32:46,770
it's not necessarily visitor parking in five crossings. And, uh,

1375
01:32:46,891 --> 01:32:48,790
and Revo that's going to be an issue. It's the

1376
01:32:48,971 --> 01:32:53,524
resident parking because there's not enough of it. Now I

1377
01:32:53,564 --> 01:32:58,224
know some of you, uh, are probably asking yourself, who

1378
01:32:58,224 --> 01:33:02,564
is this guy? What, what makes, uh, millennials visitor parking

1379
01:33:02,665 --> 01:33:06,324
utilization so low, uh, when it's not low in other

1380
01:33:06,324 --> 01:33:09,284
buildings. And it's a great question. And the simple answer

1381
01:33:09,465 --> 01:33:12,244
is that it's a quality of the building management that

1382
01:33:12,265 --> 01:33:17,364
we retained. Um, our building management team, uh, both in

1383
01:33:17,404 --> 01:33:20,084
five crossings and in Revo is there on a daily

1384
01:33:20,185 --> 01:33:25,284
basis. They're not offsite. So, um, they are consistently monitoring

1385
01:33:25,545 --> 01:33:29,524
the parking situation and the enforce it. So this keeps

1386
01:33:29,705 --> 01:33:33,124
a visitor stalls available for genuine visitor use and prevents

1387
01:33:33,145 --> 01:33:37,524
the stall creep that can undermine other buildings. And as

1388
01:33:37,545 --> 01:33:41,284
I said, um, we're very happy with the management team.

1389
01:33:41,284 --> 01:33:44,644
And this management team has actually been retained to manage

1390
01:33:44,684 --> 01:33:46,644
the revO building as well. So we know that we're

1391
01:33:46,644 --> 01:33:48,724
going to get the same quality of service from them

1392
01:33:48,724 --> 01:33:58,324
that we do from five, five crossings. Um, I'll wrap

1393
01:33:58,364 --> 01:34:02,644
it up here. Um, again, I'm kindly asking you to,

1394
01:34:02,644 --> 01:34:06,004
uh, to consider approving the variance to the existing Revo

1395
01:34:06,044 --> 01:34:10,324
DP, uh, from 34 visitor stalls to 24 with the

1396
01:34:10,345 --> 01:34:14,084
10 release stalls that will be reallocated to resident parking.

1397
01:34:14,084 --> 01:34:17,284
Um, and of course the 10 release stalls is going

1398
01:34:17,284 --> 01:34:21,104
to take vehicles off the street within that area. Um,

1399
01:34:21,305 --> 01:34:25,604
and, um, and help the current situation. We've got nearly

1400
01:34:25,705 --> 01:34:28,804
two years of consistent data from a directly comparable building

1401
01:34:29,385 --> 01:34:32,164
that we designed and built. We have written confirmation from

1402
01:34:32,425 --> 01:34:36,546
the five crossings building management team. Demonstrating that the visitor

1403
01:34:36,647 --> 01:34:41,666
parking is underutilized. And, uh, and we believe that Revo

1404
01:34:42,167 --> 01:34:44,866
in its current state of 34 visitor stalls will be

1405
01:34:44,906 --> 01:34:51,266
material over parked for visitor use. So, uh, reducing the

1406
01:34:51,287 --> 01:34:54,146
10 will be a great, great help to the neighbourhood.

1407
01:34:57,117 --> 01:35:01,096
We believe that it will reduce the pressure and it'll

1408
01:35:01,136 --> 01:35:04,216
be, uh, it'll be a difference in the overall area.

1409
01:35:04,216 --> 01:35:08,536
So I understand that staff, uh, does not support this

1410
01:35:08,536 --> 01:35:13,496
application. Um, but, uh, but we are asking that these,

1411
01:35:13,536 --> 01:35:16,936
that the empirical observations that I've presented to you tonight

1412
01:35:17,517 --> 01:35:20,296
this afternoon, uh, will come in, we'll come into play

1413
01:35:20,557 --> 01:35:23,176
in your consideration. So thank you very time. And I'm

1414
01:35:23,216 --> 01:35:28,136
happy to field any questions. Thank you. I'll just get

1415
01:35:28,176 --> 01:35:30,136
you to grab a seat. And if we have any

1416
01:35:30,136 --> 01:35:34,615
questions, we'll call you back. Any members of the public

1417
01:35:34,796 --> 01:35:37,715
who would like to address counsel regarding this application, you

1418
01:35:37,715 --> 01:35:39,815
can make your way to the public podium on your

1419
01:35:39,916 --> 01:35:43,655
right or raise your hand in teams if participating online.

1420
01:35:43,655 --> 01:35:45,335
You have up to five minutes to speak. And please

1421
01:35:45,375 --> 01:35:51,633
begin by stating your name and street name. This is

1422
01:35:51,633 --> 01:35:53,613
the second time of asking for any members of the

1423
01:35:53,613 --> 01:35:56,913
public wishing to address Council regarding the application on Sutherland

1424
01:35:56,934 --> 01:36:02,877
Avenue. This is the third and final time of asking.

1425
01:36:04,766 --> 01:36:07,265
Seeing none, your worship, the applicant response. This would be

1426
01:36:07,265 --> 01:36:10,185
the opportunity for Council to ask questions of staff followed

1427
01:36:10,185 --> 01:36:13,505
by questions of the applicant. Thank you, Jocelyn, please. If

1428
01:36:13,505 --> 01:36:16,825
we can get some questions. First question just before I

1429
01:36:16,846 --> 01:36:19,865
put it out, there's a review that you said is

1430
01:36:19,905 --> 01:36:21,785
going to take place at some point in time. Could

1431
01:36:21,785 --> 01:36:23,545
you give us a rough idea when that review is

1432
01:36:23,545 --> 01:36:27,865
going to happen? Um, I apologise your worship. My understanding

1433
01:36:28,046 --> 01:36:31,145
from our, um, our transportation integrated transportation team is that

1434
01:36:32,046 --> 01:36:34,745
they're doing a review right now for all urban centres.

1435
01:36:34,745 --> 01:36:37,225
I don't know when that will be brought forward to

1436
01:36:37,326 --> 01:36:41,225
council for consideration. That's fine. Thank you. Um, second question.

1437
01:36:41,225 --> 01:36:44,025
The information that was presented to us, um, did you

1438
01:36:44,025 --> 01:36:46,025
have that information in front of you while you were

1439
01:36:46,286 --> 01:36:49,545
reviewing the decision that staff had made on this? Three

1440
01:36:49,566 --> 01:36:51,705
of your worship. Yes. Yes. We did. Um, and that

1441
01:36:51,705 --> 01:36:54,185
was part of the applicant's rationale that they submitted with

1442
01:36:54,446 --> 01:36:59,865
their application. Third question. Do you know in that information?

1443
01:36:59,865 --> 01:37:03,705
Is there a cost associated with regards to a tenant,

1444
01:37:03,705 --> 01:37:09,168
maintaining a stall. Through your worship, I do not know.

1445
01:37:09,168 --> 01:37:10,608
Welcome back to the applicant. Yeah, that would be a

1446
01:37:10,608 --> 01:37:13,600
month for that. Okay. Thank you. Councillor. Oh, City Manager,

1447
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:16,080
please. Yeah. Thank you. You worship just to your first

1448
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:20,000
question around the timing of the Urban Centres study that

1449
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:22,880
was referenced would likely be the beginning of next term

1450
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:26,880
of council. Thank you. Thank you. Council Walbridge, please. My

1451
01:37:26,901 --> 01:37:29,600
questions are for the applicant you worship. Thanks. Thank you.

1452
01:37:29,621 --> 01:37:34,392
Councillor Love Grove, please. Thanks, your worship. So just to

1453
01:37:35,373 --> 01:37:40,872
go back to your presentation, um, there is currently an

1454
01:37:40,912 --> 01:37:44,312
on - street parking problem on Sutherland. Did I hear

1455
01:37:44,312 --> 01:37:48,794
you correctly on that? In the vicinity of this proposal?

1456
01:37:49,215 --> 01:37:51,914
Through your worship, I think the multiple factors that are

1457
01:37:51,914 --> 01:37:57,754
probably creating on street issues right now. Some probably that

1458
01:37:57,794 --> 01:38:00,474
there is some construction going on. So workers park for

1459
01:38:00,474 --> 01:38:03,674
the day and leave. Um, and then the influx of

1460
01:38:03,695 --> 01:38:07,194
apartment buildings two or three within the past two to

1461
01:38:07,234 --> 01:38:10,714
three years that have vastly changed the landscape of this

1462
01:38:10,754 --> 01:38:15,325
area. Okay. And, uh, just following up on the mayor's

1463
01:38:15,365 --> 01:38:23,485
question. When the applicant gave you the data, um, you're

1464
01:38:23,485 --> 01:38:25,645
rational for non - approval was that it didn't meet

1465
01:38:25,826 --> 01:38:27,845
by - large. Do you agree with the data? Or

1466
01:38:27,845 --> 01:38:31,485
did you... Through your worship? I think the data is

1467
01:38:31,525 --> 01:38:35,885
helpful in understanding the operations for that specific building for

1468
01:38:35,986 --> 01:38:39,085
REVO, which is, or sorry, not REVO. The other one

1469
01:38:39,085 --> 01:38:42,285
that he was talking about. One of the main differences

1470
01:38:42,306 --> 01:38:44,445
that we kind of looked at, and we also discussed

1471
01:38:44,485 --> 01:38:49,885
with our parking services team is the allocation of frontage

1472
01:38:49,906 --> 01:38:55,965
on this property. So this site fronts onto Sutherland as

1473
01:38:55,965 --> 01:39:00,965
well, where, um, active transportation corridor is. And then it

1474
01:39:00,965 --> 01:39:05,165
has Pridum to the north. So it's different context. It's

1475
01:39:05,266 --> 01:39:08,685
a very similar building and how it operates, but the

1476
01:39:08,706 --> 01:39:10,685
site context is always a little bit different for each.

1477
01:39:11,909 --> 01:39:19,808
Okay. And I guess the other question back to the

1478
01:39:19,909 --> 01:39:25,808
mayor's question on cost impact. They're building the stalls for

1479
01:39:25,808 --> 01:39:29,568
the residents, the 34, and the 34 that would be

1480
01:39:29,589 --> 01:39:35,878
visitor anyways. Um, shifting them to resident, um, are you

1481
01:39:35,878 --> 01:39:38,758
aware of any changes to the design? For example, they're

1482
01:39:38,798 --> 01:39:41,358
all underground by the looks of it. We're at least

1483
01:39:41,579 --> 01:39:45,478
in the data for the other development. Um, what ramifications

1484
01:39:45,579 --> 01:39:48,598
would that anyways? Three of your worship, we haven't received

1485
01:39:48,699 --> 01:39:52,598
a development permit amendment for any internal circulation or anything

1486
01:39:52,638 --> 01:39:57,798
like that as part of this application. Um, pending council's

1487
01:39:57,838 --> 01:39:59,798
decision today. That would kind of be our next step

1488
01:39:59,819 --> 01:40:02,518
is to take a look to see if the parquead

1489
01:40:02,518 --> 01:40:07,078
was built as approved and what the, what the allocation

1490
01:40:07,078 --> 01:40:10,598
looks like if it's changed at all. Okay. And do

1491
01:40:10,638 --> 01:40:15,878
our city bylaws, um, allow applicants to place charges on

1492
01:40:15,899 --> 01:40:19,878
their visitor stalls? Like pay parking for visitors? I mean.

1493
01:40:22,202 --> 01:40:24,181
It's, it's more of a strata. It's more of a

1494
01:40:24,202 --> 01:40:26,981
strata item and ownership item than it is our bylaws.

1495
01:40:26,981 --> 01:40:29,781
Yes. Through your worship, I believe that that's more how

1496
01:40:29,821 --> 01:40:31,941
the building is managed. That's a management of the building

1497
01:40:32,122 --> 01:40:35,541
through strata and remind me, sorry, is this a purely

1498
01:40:35,581 --> 01:40:36,901
rental or is it private? This is not a rental

1499
01:40:36,941 --> 01:40:40,341
building. This is market. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So there is

1500
01:40:40,362 --> 01:40:42,950
a strata and the strata would deal with that. Okay.

1501
01:40:43,211 --> 01:40:45,510
That's correct. Okay. I guess I've got questions for the

1502
01:40:45,531 --> 01:40:52,405
appointment. Council Weber, please. So kind of boils down the

1503
01:40:52,445 --> 01:40:59,133
argument here. The idea that, uh, more resident parking. In

1504
01:40:59,133 --> 01:41:02,093
the building would mean less resident parking on the street.

1505
01:41:02,922 --> 01:41:05,221
Like that's their, that's the argument here. And if the

1506
01:41:05,221 --> 01:41:09,621
visitor parking isn't being used, some of it. And residents

1507
01:41:09,661 --> 01:41:12,421
can use those spots. They'll be less parking on the

1508
01:41:12,442 --> 01:41:17,866
street. And that which is a good goal. Right. But

1509
01:41:17,906 --> 01:41:22,923
that argument isn't swinging city staff. Through your worship, I

1510
01:41:22,923 --> 01:41:26,883
think that ultimately city staff are looking at what was

1511
01:41:26,904 --> 01:41:30,643
originally approved in the development permit. And we're choosing to

1512
01:41:30,744 --> 01:41:33,523
stick with the integrity of what that was. We typically

1513
01:41:33,624 --> 01:41:37,687
don't see these come back to us. Unless there was

1514
01:41:37,727 --> 01:41:40,087
an issue in a building and a resident came forward

1515
01:41:40,508 --> 01:41:43,047
and complained and said, I don't think that this strata

1516
01:41:43,087 --> 01:41:48,567
is operating how it was approved. So, um, it's very,

1517
01:41:48,567 --> 01:41:52,327
it's, um, it's commendable that the applicant has come forward

1518
01:41:53,068 --> 01:41:55,367
to ask for council's approval because this is a variance

1519
01:41:55,367 --> 01:41:59,367
to their original development permit. And our decision is really

1520
01:41:59,407 --> 01:42:02,327
just based on the fact that this has been a

1521
01:42:02,348 --> 01:42:06,487
consistent ratio of visitor stalls for apartment buildings throughout both

1522
01:42:06,748 --> 01:42:10,247
bylaws, even with the recent changes. Um, and we, we

1523
01:42:10,268 --> 01:42:13,207
stand by that. And without any on - street parking

1524
01:42:13,708 --> 01:42:17,527
management plans at this time, um, we're just not comfortable

1525
01:42:18,508 --> 01:42:22,722
changing that approval. That was a good answer. Very good

1526
01:42:22,722 --> 01:42:26,655
at you. Councillor saying, do you have staff questions or.

1527
01:42:28,301 --> 01:42:35,719
The. Same to the last. You're not mic's not on.

1528
01:42:35,719 --> 01:42:39,639
Sorry. Um, I was same thing along what Councillor Weber

1529
01:42:39,679 --> 01:42:45,959
was asking essentially simplistic question. It's all got so complicated

1530
01:42:46,700 --> 01:42:52,211
with data and information and all this. Simply put. 34

1531
01:42:52,392 --> 01:42:56,849
stall. 10 visitor stalls, the applicant just wants to make

1532
01:42:57,270 --> 01:43:01,409
that 10 visitor stalls, resident stalls or residents who have

1533
01:43:02,230 --> 01:43:04,929
who need extra parking will not be on the street.

1534
01:43:07,373 --> 01:43:11,618
Through your worship, correct. And wooden staff consider that to

1535
01:43:11,618 --> 01:43:14,258
be a positive is what I was going to say.

1536
01:43:14,258 --> 01:43:16,898
But the, so if they have any guests, their guests

1537
01:43:16,898 --> 01:43:22,920
will have no place to stop park. I would, if

1538
01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:24,520
you would, Jocelyn, maybe just go back through the answer

1539
01:43:24,861 --> 01:43:26,600
you just gave a minute ago. Why it ends up

1540
01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:28,840
being staff or staying with the original proposal like you

1541
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:32,600
had just said? Yes. Through your worship. Maybe I can

1542
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:36,744
try and reword it a little differently. Oh, Adam's here.

1543
01:43:37,405 --> 01:43:39,144
I think you did a great job. Just I think

1544
01:43:39,144 --> 01:43:40,824
you did a great job. Just do it again. I

1545
01:43:40,824 --> 01:43:42,584
got it. I got it. I think. Yes, she did

1546
01:43:42,605 --> 01:43:45,224
do a great job. And that's all I wanted to

1547
01:43:45,224 --> 01:43:48,104
know. No, that's it. You watched her wife. I could

1548
01:43:48,144 --> 01:43:51,224
just, uh, explain maybe the difference between on street parking

1549
01:43:51,405 --> 01:43:54,104
relative to visitor. That's the key issue here is that

1550
01:43:54,285 --> 01:43:57,064
currently there is no on street parking in front of

1551
01:43:57,064 --> 01:44:00,904
this building. So yes, that means any visitor who uses

1552
01:44:01,165 --> 01:44:03,544
this building is likely using the street parking because it's

1553
01:44:03,584 --> 01:44:08,184
much more easy to access the front lobby. Therefore visitor

1554
01:44:08,205 --> 01:44:11,144
parking is not being utilised within these buildings. How are

1555
01:44:11,184 --> 01:44:14,024
staff's concerned is that if we introduce on street parking

1556
01:44:14,024 --> 01:44:17,464
into the area, that means more visitor parking will then

1557
01:44:17,485 --> 01:44:21,464
be into the buildings. And so we're concerned that on

1558
01:44:21,504 --> 01:44:24,744
street parking still is needed within buildings. Um, but in

1559
01:44:24,744 --> 01:44:29,544
the interim without entreking control, there is a valid argument

1560
01:44:29,584 --> 01:44:34,904
from the applicant's sake to transfer resident parking, um, uh,

1561
01:44:35,805 --> 01:44:41,257
from the street to inside the building. Councillor Wolbertch, was

1562
01:44:41,257 --> 01:44:42,397
I reading you right that you have a question for

1563
01:44:42,498 --> 01:44:44,797
Adam? Now, uh, now that all the questions are going

1564
01:44:44,797 --> 01:44:46,957
to staff, I need, I have one for staff and

1565
01:44:46,957 --> 01:44:49,357
then the applicant. Um, just going back to the technical

1566
01:44:49,378 --> 01:44:52,197
details of the, of the project I remember, Rivo. I

1567
01:44:52,197 --> 01:44:57,483
remember five crossings. Um, there's 147 micro units. Um, which

1568
01:44:57,504 --> 01:45:00,944
don't contribute DCCs correct. Yes. That's correct. Um, did those

1569
01:45:00,984 --> 01:45:07,002
include parking. At the time of, um, can't recall. You

1570
01:45:07,042 --> 01:45:08,602
worship. I would say at the time it would have

1571
01:45:08,602 --> 01:45:11,442
been at a point eight stall ratio two units. So

1572
01:45:11,442 --> 01:45:13,402
there would have been approximately 20 percent of those micro

1573
01:45:13,402 --> 01:45:17,402
suites without, um, parking stalls, which is indicated of, of

1574
01:45:18,703 --> 01:45:21,242
more hearing is that there was more demand for parking

1575
01:45:21,263 --> 01:45:24,042
than what was provided for those microsuites. Correct. I'll have

1576
01:45:24,082 --> 01:45:26,042
that more questions for the applicant. Hopefully they can explain

1577
01:45:26,143 --> 01:45:30,602
their rationale. Councillor stock, please. For the applicant. Okay. So

1578
01:45:30,703 --> 01:45:33,162
I have Council to Heart for the applicant. Okay. So

1579
01:45:33,503 --> 01:45:35,162
we're all done with staff at the moment. Thank you

1580
01:45:35,162 --> 01:45:37,802
very much Adam and Jocelyn. Thank you for those questions.

1581
01:45:37,802 --> 01:45:39,882
If I may, please ask the applicant to come back

1582
01:45:39,882 --> 01:45:48,380
to the microphone. Um, so sir, we have some questions

1583
01:45:48,481 --> 01:45:52,140
for you. I am going to start with, uh, Councillor

1584
01:45:52,321 --> 01:45:56,151
Wolbridge, please. Thanks for that. Thanks for being here tonight.

1585
01:45:56,151 --> 01:45:59,991
Um, definitely an odd approach. We don't generally see a

1586
01:46:00,031 --> 01:46:02,151
bait and switch happen like this, uh, this late in

1587
01:46:02,151 --> 01:46:06,151
the game when something's under construction. Um, so were you

1588
01:46:06,151 --> 01:46:09,491
aware, um, when the, and by the way, I was

1589
01:46:09,491 --> 01:46:12,391
a supporter of five crossings in Revo with this innovative

1590
01:46:12,431 --> 01:46:16,311
model. Thank you. Um, and knowing that, um, you know,

1591
01:46:16,311 --> 01:46:20,871
there was a lot of feedback around micro suites around

1592
01:46:20,972 --> 01:46:25,031
DCCs and around the parking requirements. So I'm just a

1593
01:46:25,031 --> 01:46:27,511
little bit confused now this late in the game. You're

1594
01:46:27,511 --> 01:46:29,631
coming and you're saying you want to monetize those. So

1595
01:46:29,631 --> 01:46:32,951
can you explain to me rationalist to why we're doing

1596
01:46:32,951 --> 01:46:38,048
that now. Uh, your worship. If I could just make

1597
01:46:38,149 --> 01:46:41,328
a clarification, we're not, we're not actually looking to monetize

1598
01:46:41,368 --> 01:46:46,526
anything. The ask is simply to convert the visitor to

1599
01:46:46,566 --> 01:46:51,726
the resident parking. We, we recognise that there's significant parking

1600
01:46:52,227 --> 01:46:55,166
happening on the street in this neighbourhood. And we want

1601
01:46:55,166 --> 01:46:58,926
to put more residents into permanent parking versus having them

1602
01:46:58,966 --> 01:47:01,966
on the street. They will not be monetized. They won't

1603
01:47:02,006 --> 01:47:04,424
be sold. You're just going to donate them. They will

1604
01:47:04,424 --> 01:47:07,824
be sold with the sweets. Yeah. So they're sold. So

1605
01:47:07,824 --> 01:47:09,704
they'll be sold with the speeds. Okay. Thanks for that.

1606
01:47:09,965 --> 01:47:13,304
Um, and, uh, what's the feedback Ben from your current

1607
01:47:13,405 --> 01:47:23,252
purchasers? Are they aware of this change. Um. To a

1608
01:47:23,292 --> 01:47:25,012
certain degree, we have it, we have it in our

1609
01:47:25,052 --> 01:47:28,169
disclosure statement. Okay. Okay. Cause I reached out to a

1610
01:47:28,169 --> 01:47:30,489
few of them and they weren't to wear this application.

1611
01:47:30,489 --> 01:47:34,489
Okay. Yeah. That's interesting. It is it's we obviously by,

1612
01:47:34,510 --> 01:47:37,529
by law, we're required to identify everything within, within a

1613
01:47:37,529 --> 01:47:39,449
disclosure statement. Right. So you can kind of guess where

1614
01:47:39,489 --> 01:47:41,369
I'm going with this. But, um, I'll leave it to

1615
01:47:41,409 --> 01:47:43,689
the rest of my colleagues to ask more questions. Thanks.

1616
01:47:44,030 --> 01:47:46,249
If you were like, give me questions. One second, please.

1617
01:47:46,249 --> 01:47:48,329
No, I'm going to get some clarification from you on

1618
01:47:48,350 --> 01:47:53,449
this, um, because I want clarification with it. These 10

1619
01:47:53,630 --> 01:48:00,809
units that will transfer from being, um, uh, interpermanent parking,

1620
01:48:00,809 --> 01:48:03,769
um, at some point in time will then be sold

1621
01:48:04,190 --> 01:48:09,609
alongside a unit as opposed to being free parking for

1622
01:48:10,190 --> 01:48:14,009
residents, correct? They will be attached and sold with the

1623
01:48:14,049 --> 01:48:16,809
unit. But thank you. Thank you. That's, that's, that was,

1624
01:48:16,849 --> 01:48:18,409
that was kind of what we were looking for in

1625
01:48:18,409 --> 01:48:21,849
it. And saying that they're not monetized isn't correct because

1626
01:48:21,889 --> 01:48:24,409
we understand kind of that, you know, a unit has

1627
01:48:24,449 --> 01:48:26,969
to have an attachment to it. So what it does

1628
01:48:27,009 --> 01:48:29,589
is it's opened up 10 more to be sold. And

1629
01:48:29,589 --> 01:48:32,249
that's, that's, that's where we're kind of questioning with it.

1630
01:48:32,249 --> 01:48:35,541
Councillor Stock, please. Thank you. So back to the first

1631
01:48:35,562 --> 01:48:38,341
building that you used as your model or to demonstrate

1632
01:48:38,762 --> 01:48:44,261
the lack of demand. How many units in that building

1633
01:48:45,002 --> 01:48:48,501
are seeking, parking, that it's not a, and the parking

1634
01:48:48,541 --> 01:48:55,700
available for them. Um, I don't. Recall, uh, I don't

1635
01:48:55,700 --> 01:48:59,020
recall the number, um, but again, similar to Rebel, we

1636
01:48:59,020 --> 01:49:01,780
had units that were sold, uh, that did not have

1637
01:49:01,881 --> 01:49:07,018
parking. Right. So, so people in that building have expressed

1638
01:49:07,919 --> 01:49:09,818
that they would have preferred to have an additional parking

1639
01:49:09,858 --> 01:49:12,306
stall to go with their unit. Cause that's sort of

1640
01:49:12,306 --> 01:49:16,166
the model you're saying the demand for permanent parking, but

1641
01:49:16,166 --> 01:49:19,606
not much demand for the visitor parking. That's correct. And

1642
01:49:19,606 --> 01:49:23,306
part of the reason for that is because we believed,

1643
01:49:23,306 --> 01:49:29,146
uh, in the design process that the location would speak

1644
01:49:29,327 --> 01:49:32,426
for itself and that there would be significantly less demand

1645
01:49:32,426 --> 01:49:36,026
for resident parking because of the location to Capri and

1646
01:49:36,026 --> 01:49:40,403
all the other amenities surrounding that. Okay. So, okay. I'll

1647
01:49:40,403 --> 01:49:42,563
have a comment on that. But that, that makes it

1648
01:49:42,603 --> 01:49:45,763
clear to me, um, were the problem really lies, which

1649
01:49:45,763 --> 01:49:51,536
is, uh, not enough parking for the permanent units. Yeah.

1650
01:49:51,576 --> 01:49:53,456
Anyway, thank you. I'll make a comment at the right

1651
01:49:53,456 --> 01:49:59,979
time. Thank you. Uh, Councillor Lovegrove, please. Thanks very much.

1652
01:49:59,979 --> 01:50:04,299
So, um, is it, um, in your performer, or what

1653
01:50:04,339 --> 01:50:08,219
are your disclosure statement is that the stall can be

1654
01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:17,667
unbundled if the buyer chooses not to want parking. I'm

1655
01:50:17,688 --> 01:50:21,907
not sure I understand your question. So in your proposals,

1656
01:50:21,907 --> 01:50:24,787
you're asking that 10 of the visitor stalls be used

1657
01:50:24,888 --> 01:50:28,947
for permanent parking. And I'm getting a sense that perhaps

1658
01:50:28,987 --> 01:50:31,347
it's going to be linked or bundled with a microsuite.

1659
01:50:32,585 --> 01:50:35,764
That you said, uh, some of them don't have parking

1660
01:50:35,785 --> 01:50:41,258
right now. Um, if a buyer of a microsuite chooses

1661
01:50:41,519 --> 01:50:45,495
to say, I don't need it. Um, will it be

1662
01:50:45,535 --> 01:50:48,375
unbundled or will it be sold as a unit with

1663
01:50:48,415 --> 01:50:53,095
no choice? With the unsold units that we currently have,

1664
01:50:53,095 --> 01:50:58,270
we have the option for both. So, uh, regardless, um,

1665
01:50:58,711 --> 01:51:03,908
the units that do not come with parking. Cool. So

1666
01:51:03,948 --> 01:51:05,988
they could have the option to say, I don't want

1667
01:51:06,169 --> 01:51:10,228
parking. I want a unit sold. That doesn't have parking.

1668
01:51:10,228 --> 01:51:13,280
We have that option for them. Okay. So, but they

1669
01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:15,600
don't have the option to choose a suite and say,

1670
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:17,760
I don't want parking with this suite. You choose the

1671
01:51:17,941 --> 01:51:21,120
suites that have parking. That's not given that option is

1672
01:51:21,120 --> 01:51:25,366
not giving to the buyer. Um, the, the option could

1673
01:51:25,406 --> 01:51:28,486
be given to the buyer depending on the circumstances of,

1674
01:51:28,526 --> 01:51:31,126
of what they're looking for. What I'm saying is we

1675
01:51:31,147 --> 01:51:36,566
don't have availability. The 10 will not cover off everything,

1676
01:51:36,566 --> 01:51:39,286
uh, all the unsold units that come without parking. Yeah.

1677
01:51:39,627 --> 01:51:43,686
Okay. I appreciate that. Um, okay. And so you found

1678
01:51:43,707 --> 01:51:47,026
in this area or based on data from the, um,

1679
01:51:47,387 --> 01:51:51,046
five, the other building, sorry. Five crossings, your worship. Thank

1680
01:51:51,046 --> 01:51:54,646
you. Five crossings. Um, that there seems to be an

1681
01:51:54,686 --> 01:51:59,986
overrepresentation of resident parking demand. And is it in this

1682
01:52:00,026 --> 01:52:07,114
area. So right across the street. It's your worship. So

1683
01:52:07,215 --> 01:52:10,394
yes, it's, it's effectively right across the street. It's divided

1684
01:52:10,434 --> 01:52:16,592
by, um, a city park. Okay. That's, that's interesting. I'll

1685
01:52:16,613 --> 01:52:19,472
have comments. You worship. Thanks. Do we have any other

1686
01:52:19,493 --> 01:52:23,653
questions. No further questions. Okay. Do I have a mover

1687
01:52:23,834 --> 01:52:28,946
please? Um, please city clerk. Thank you, worship. That concludes

1688
01:52:28,986 --> 01:52:31,666
any public input on this item and brings us to

1689
01:52:31,687 --> 01:52:34,866
the recommendation. So looking for a mover in a seconder.

1690
01:52:34,866 --> 01:52:36,866
So I have a mover and Councillor Wolridge and I

1691
01:52:36,866 --> 01:52:39,426
have a secondary and Councillor Stack and I have comments

1692
01:52:39,466 --> 01:52:43,266
from Councillor Wolverge. Thanks to worship. As you can probably

1693
01:52:43,266 --> 01:52:45,666
tell by my questions, I'm quite heated about this one.

1694
01:52:45,666 --> 01:52:49,406
Um, because at the time I was assured that, um,

1695
01:52:49,687 --> 01:52:52,686
data was driving how this, these buildings were designed. And

1696
01:52:52,686 --> 01:52:55,486
that's been the story that I've heard all along. Um,

1697
01:52:55,486 --> 01:52:57,426
and now we see this come forward. And I know

1698
01:52:57,426 --> 01:53:01,186
it's only 10 parking spots, but having sat in this

1699
01:53:01,226 --> 01:53:05,106
chair for eight years and being the recipient of resident

1700
01:53:05,127 --> 01:53:08,866
feedback after buildings are built and how they are functioning.

1701
01:53:08,887 --> 01:53:13,746
Um, statistically speaking, fewer visitors dolls means that there's likely

1702
01:53:13,746 --> 01:53:17,986
to be a higher peak demand on the streets from

1703
01:53:17,986 --> 01:53:22,838
what I've experienced in my inbox. And for me, the

1704
01:53:23,019 --> 01:53:27,318
difference between parking management of a rental building versus a

1705
01:53:27,358 --> 01:53:29,718
condo building is very different in that of a rental

1706
01:53:29,718 --> 01:53:31,798
building. You have a manager that can work with the

1707
01:53:31,899 --> 01:53:36,038
tenants to do parking demand management. When we have individual

1708
01:53:36,139 --> 01:53:39,638
owners, um, who by the way, weren't necessarily aware of

1709
01:53:39,979 --> 01:53:43,152
this happening. It becomes so much harder to manage. And

1710
01:53:43,152 --> 01:53:47,012
then it becomes the city's issue to, um, to address.

1711
01:53:47,012 --> 01:53:51,092
Um, and it perturbs me because we approve the high

1712
01:53:51,092 --> 01:53:53,812
amount of microsweets that don't contribute to DCCs. And yes,

1713
01:53:53,812 --> 01:53:56,532
the amenity packages are beautiful. Um, that are being built.

1714
01:53:57,852 --> 01:54:02,231
There's parking reductions, et cetera. So, um, my patients is

1715
01:54:02,231 --> 01:54:05,191
really low for this. I'm very supportive of staff's recommendation

1716
01:54:05,372 --> 01:54:09,991
of non - support because to me, this is just,

1717
01:54:10,172 --> 01:54:13,611
it's not acceptable. And I'll leave it there. Councillor Stack,

1718
01:54:13,611 --> 01:54:20,053
please. Thank you, worship. Similar comments. To me, with this,

1719
01:54:20,093 --> 01:54:21,493
it's really interesting because this was a bit of an

1720
01:54:21,493 --> 01:54:23,893
experiment. This first building. And since we're talking about the

1721
01:54:23,893 --> 01:54:26,773
first building as a model, so to speak, for the

1722
01:54:26,813 --> 01:54:29,173
second, uh, the issue for me, it just simply seems

1723
01:54:29,173 --> 01:54:32,853
that they've miscalculated how many residents would like to have

1724
01:54:32,893 --> 01:54:35,013
a place to park a car. It doesn't mean they've

1725
01:54:35,034 --> 01:54:37,373
miscalculated how many people take a bike to work. I

1726
01:54:37,373 --> 01:54:40,533
think that's very legitimate. But, uh, what it tells me

1727
01:54:40,573 --> 01:54:42,933
is the one of park a car. Then there's available

1728
01:54:43,114 --> 01:54:47,413
spots. And the problem, it becomes for the city. That

1729
01:54:47,413 --> 01:54:49,653
means that those people who want to buy a suite,

1730
01:54:49,653 --> 01:54:51,013
they got to park on the street, which then creates

1731
01:54:51,114 --> 01:54:53,553
a problem for the rest of the neighbourhood. So, uh,

1732
01:54:53,594 --> 01:54:57,093
to me, this is not a question about whether the

1733
01:54:57,133 --> 01:54:59,333
visitor stalls are right. I think we need to protect

1734
01:54:59,354 --> 01:55:02,613
those visitor stalls because that's what our racial citywide tell

1735
01:55:02,613 --> 01:55:05,073
us we need. So I support staff in that. But

1736
01:55:05,514 --> 01:55:09,253
what it is, is a good flag for council and

1737
01:55:09,354 --> 01:55:13,253
for staff to realise that, um, even though people may

1738
01:55:13,253 --> 01:55:15,413
be using their bicycles, they still need places to park

1739
01:55:15,413 --> 01:55:18,613
cars. Like they may park a car for two weeks

1740
01:55:18,874 --> 01:55:20,453
and not drive it. But they still need a place

1741
01:55:20,493 --> 01:55:22,373
to park it because they're riding their bike to work.

1742
01:55:22,373 --> 01:55:23,573
And it tells me that we have to be very,

1743
01:55:23,573 --> 01:55:26,933
very careful not to approve units with two greater parking

1744
01:55:26,973 --> 01:55:29,733
reduction. I think it's, this is telling me from the

1745
01:55:29,754 --> 01:55:34,133
evidence, I'm being told is that we have trimmed it

1746
01:55:34,154 --> 01:55:36,133
too low. And we should have had a higher parking

1747
01:55:36,154 --> 01:55:39,500
ratio for permanent. So I can't, I will support staff's

1748
01:55:39,500 --> 01:55:47,120
recommendation. Councillor Love Grove, please. Thanks, your worship. Well, I'm

1749
01:55:47,301 --> 01:55:49,400
going to support staff's recommendation, but I just want to

1750
01:55:49,621 --> 01:55:54,080
make, uh, comments here. And that is that incidentally UBC

1751
01:55:54,080 --> 01:55:58,080
did have a traffic study in this area, um, one

1752
01:55:58,080 --> 01:56:00,240
of my colleagues did it. And we found there actually

1753
01:56:00,240 --> 01:56:02,560
is a lower amount of traffic generated because of all

1754
01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:05,840
the amenities and the recent installation of the southern act

1755
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:09,600
of transport corridor, the bike path, uh, it's near a

1756
01:56:09,701 --> 01:56:12,720
transportive corridor. And don't forget let's not forget not everybody

1757
01:56:12,760 --> 01:56:16,000
owns a car. We got Karshar in here too. Maybe

1758
01:56:16,101 --> 01:56:18,560
not in this development, but absolutely in the neighbourhood and

1759
01:56:18,600 --> 01:56:20,880
in the city. So I actually think there's a really

1760
01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:24,240
good case to say the last car ownership by residents

1761
01:56:24,341 --> 01:56:26,320
living in the building, which is why it really surprised

1762
01:56:26,360 --> 01:56:28,960
me to hear you want to shift it from visitor

1763
01:56:29,141 --> 01:56:32,880
to owners. So I'm going, oh, that's kind of why

1764
01:56:32,920 --> 01:56:34,760
I was poking in prod and staff as well. So

1765
01:56:35,141 --> 01:56:38,960
something's going on. I'm, I'm not comfortable going against our

1766
01:56:38,981 --> 01:56:41,680
staff expert. So for now, I'm going to support this,

1767
01:56:41,680 --> 01:56:44,360
but I do think it'll be interesting to see. I

1768
01:56:44,360 --> 01:56:46,640
hope you're collecting the data as we go because we're

1769
01:56:46,741 --> 01:56:48,720
going to be talking in the future. Thanks very much.

1770
01:56:49,221 --> 01:56:53,812
Council Cannon, please. Thanks similar Councillor Stack and the fact

1771
01:56:53,812 --> 01:56:58,372
that one of the reasons why I've voted against many

1772
01:56:58,412 --> 01:57:02,052
of the applications when we have 20 percent reduction because

1773
01:57:02,052 --> 01:57:03,652
of the fact that there was a study done by

1774
01:57:03,673 --> 01:57:07,252
the capstone students at UBCO this year. There was Privy

1775
01:57:07,292 --> 01:57:09,572
to the results. And they looked at about, uh, half

1776
01:57:09,572 --> 01:57:13,732
a dozen multifamily projects in downtown. And majority of them

1777
01:57:14,073 --> 01:57:17,492
had more demand from parking that was provided. So I

1778
01:57:17,492 --> 01:57:19,972
looked forward to the new review. Hope they'll be here

1779
01:57:21,033 --> 01:57:24,532
to look at that review. And also the strata one

1780
01:57:24,553 --> 01:57:26,292
they decide in the future if they want to convert

1781
01:57:26,313 --> 01:57:31,332
some of those visitor stalls to residents and they'll have

1782
01:57:31,332 --> 01:57:34,335
that option as well. In the future. Thank you. Thank

1783
01:57:34,335 --> 01:57:37,455
you. Um, just final comments just before we put this

1784
01:57:37,556 --> 01:57:40,495
to a vote with regards to it. I don't feel

1785
01:57:41,956 --> 01:57:44,555
good about this one just because for, for a few

1786
01:57:44,555 --> 01:57:48,095
reasons. And one of the reasons that, um, I see

1787
01:57:48,196 --> 01:57:52,815
these visitor stalls being transferred and being sold with a

1788
01:57:52,815 --> 01:58:00,446
unit. And so it's a way of taking, um, gaining

1789
01:58:00,467 --> 01:58:03,146
money on it. And that was something that, you know,

1790
01:58:03,146 --> 01:58:04,646
wasn't brought forward to us that they were going to

1791
01:58:04,646 --> 01:58:07,966
be transferred over. The second point of it is that

1792
01:58:08,467 --> 01:58:11,086
I believe the applicant could have worked with staff and

1793
01:58:11,126 --> 01:58:13,006
said, you know what, we know you're doing a study

1794
01:58:13,027 --> 01:58:15,966
into the future. And when that study's done, we'll kind

1795
01:58:15,966 --> 01:58:18,766
of take a look at this because there's nothing which

1796
01:58:19,267 --> 01:58:22,446
stops the applicant after he said that the property is

1797
01:58:22,446 --> 01:58:27,326
very well managed by the property manager to provide 10

1798
01:58:27,366 --> 01:58:31,881
visitor passes or temporary parking permits. For individuals who need

1799
01:58:31,902 --> 01:58:35,401
it on the intern bases if that's the case until

1800
01:58:35,441 --> 01:58:39,161
staff get done their report. What stops the applicant though

1801
01:58:39,161 --> 01:58:42,921
is selling them. Um, and they can't transfer them and

1802
01:58:42,921 --> 01:58:45,241
direct the registered them on title, which is a different

1803
01:58:45,342 --> 01:58:48,841
point. So that's where I just have difficulty with it.

1804
01:58:49,262 --> 01:58:51,481
We're not, the picture is not clear for me on

1805
01:58:51,742 --> 01:58:54,761
basically what we're trying to actually accomplish. It goes more

1806
01:58:54,801 --> 01:58:57,321
so down the road of the sale aspect of it

1807
01:58:57,582 --> 01:58:59,161
than it does of trying to deal with the actual

1808
01:58:59,582 --> 01:59:03,241
problem. So I'm looking forwards to when staff complete their

1809
01:59:03,281 --> 01:59:05,801
report. If this does come back in front before us,

1810
01:59:05,801 --> 01:59:08,281
I hope it comes back with direction on it that

1811
01:59:08,281 --> 01:59:10,521
is, uh, clear for us right at this particular point

1812
01:59:10,542 --> 01:59:13,241
in time. Um, and saying that I'm going to call

1813
01:59:13,241 --> 01:59:17,084
the question all in favor. Opposed. Thank you. So that

1814
01:59:17,084 --> 01:59:19,724
was all in favor of accepting staff's recommendation. Thank you

1815
01:59:19,764 --> 01:59:21,804
to the applicant for being here. Thank you for being

1816
01:59:21,985 --> 01:59:23,324
in front of us. Thank you for the work that

1817
01:59:23,324 --> 01:59:25,004
you've done on presenting that. And also thank you to

1818
01:59:25,105 --> 01:59:33,015
staff. Thank you, our ship. That brings us to item

1819
01:59:33,196 --> 01:59:35,735
5. 4 on the agenda. And this is an application

1820
01:59:35,756 --> 01:59:38,775
for a development variance permit on Elm Road here to

1821
01:59:38,775 --> 01:59:46,863
present his staff from development planning. Thank you, your worship

1822
01:59:47,444 --> 01:59:49,743
short. The purpose of this report is to issue a

1823
01:59:49,764 --> 01:59:52,543
development variance permit to vary the minimum lot width to

1824
01:59:52,583 --> 01:59:56,550
facilitate a two lot subdivision. The application was submitted on

1825
01:59:56,590 --> 02:00:00,390
July 10th and neighbourhood notification was completed on July 13th.

1826
02:00:00,390 --> 02:00:02,310
Today, we're here to consider the variance. And if the

1827
02:00:02,411 --> 02:00:05,270
variance is approved by council, the applicant could continue with

1828
02:00:05,371 --> 02:00:10,166
their proposed subdivision. The subject properties located on Elm Road,

1829
02:00:10,166 --> 02:00:11,606
which is a cul - de - sac off -

1830
02:00:11,606 --> 02:00:14,086
McClure road in the lower mission. They are nearby bus

1831
02:00:14,126 --> 02:00:17,446
stops located on Gordon Drive and McLear Road. And Oknog

1832
02:00:17,446 --> 02:00:19,926
and Mission Secondary School in Bellevue Creek Elementary School are

1833
02:00:19,966 --> 02:00:22,966
both within walking and cycling distance of the subject property.

1834
02:00:25,267 --> 02:00:28,126
The property currently contains a single detached dwelling that the

1835
02:00:28,166 --> 02:00:31,546
owner wishes to retain after the subdivision is completed. And

1836
02:00:31,546 --> 02:00:34,526
the surrounding neighbourhood primarily consists of single detached dwellings with

1837
02:00:34,627 --> 02:00:39,586
a recently subdivided lot located immediately next door. Uh, these

1838
02:00:39,607 --> 02:00:43,586
photos show the existing streetscape and neighbourhood context. The dash

1839
02:00:43,626 --> 02:00:45,266
blue line on the image on the right shows the

1840
02:00:45,306 --> 02:00:47,186
proposed line of the subdivision. And you can see how

1841
02:00:47,226 --> 02:00:50,526
the proposed new lot is narrower near the street, but

1842
02:00:50,526 --> 02:00:54,642
substantially widens towards the back of the parcel. The applicant

1843
02:00:54,663 --> 02:00:57,522
is proposing a development variance permit to facilitate a two

1844
02:00:57,522 --> 02:01:00,242
- lot subdivision. Uh, as mentioned, they're proposing to retain

1845
02:01:00,263 --> 02:01:03,122
the existing single family home on one of the parcels,

1846
02:01:03,122 --> 02:01:05,442
which means the only feasible lot shape is a pie

1847
02:01:05,463 --> 02:01:07,442
- shaped lot where the new lot is narrower at

1848
02:01:07,442 --> 02:01:10,562
the front than the rear. The specific variance is to

1849
02:01:10,562 --> 02:01:13,682
reduce the minimum lot width for the subdivision from 16

1850
02:01:13,703 --> 02:01:17,282
and a half metres to 10. 65 metres. The proposal

1851
02:01:17,322 --> 02:01:20,162
meets all other zoning by la regulations and vehicle access

1852
02:01:20,202 --> 02:01:22,562
to the site can be provided from Elm Road, despite

1853
02:01:22,602 --> 02:01:27,180
the reduced lot width. This is the site plan showing

1854
02:01:27,180 --> 02:01:30,380
the proposed subdivision boundaries. Uh, the proposed variants to the

1855
02:01:30,380 --> 02:01:33,300
minimum lot width is shown by the red circle. It

1856
02:01:33,300 --> 02:01:36,140
only applies to proposed lot A, which otherwise meets the

1857
02:01:36,180 --> 02:01:39,500
subdivision regulations, propose lot B, which would keep the existing

1858
02:01:39,601 --> 02:01:43,980
single family home meets all of the subdivision regulations. The

1859
02:01:44,241 --> 02:01:48,700
proposal aligns with efficient community plan policy, which for suburban

1860
02:01:48,740 --> 02:01:51,480
residential lands, uh, they're intended to accommodate most of the

1861
02:01:51,480 --> 02:01:54,860
city's lower density housing forms alongside new, small scale, multi

1862
02:01:54,860 --> 02:01:58,719
- unit homes. And therefore staff recommends support for the

1863
02:01:58,740 --> 02:02:01,759
proposed variants as it aligns with the official community plan.

1864
02:02:01,759 --> 02:02:04,139
It complies with all of their zoning biolar regulations. And

1865
02:02:04,139 --> 02:02:06,239
it's the result of an irregular lot shape and the

1866
02:02:06,239 --> 02:02:08,479
desire to retain the existing dwelling. And that concludes my

1867
02:02:08,580 --> 02:02:13,199
comments for worship. Thank you, Mark. The applicant or the

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02:02:13,199 --> 02:02:16,639
applicant's representative has up to 15 minutes to present council.

1869
02:02:16,639 --> 02:02:18,939
You can make your way to the public podium. And

1870
02:02:18,939 --> 02:02:27,275
please begin by stating your name and street name. Good

1871
02:02:27,315 --> 02:02:30,715
afternoon, your worship. I'm Bearded with Urban Options Planning. Really,

1872
02:02:30,715 --> 02:02:32,595
I'm just here for questions, but I did want to

1873
02:02:32,595 --> 02:02:36,475
bring one other point. The variants for the lot line

1874
02:02:36,515 --> 02:02:41,275
had been approved in 2024. It expired in January this

1875
02:02:41,275 --> 02:02:45,755
year. And the client has done all the works and

1876
02:02:45,776 --> 02:02:49,755
services for the subdivision. Um, you do recall at some

1877
02:02:49,795 --> 02:02:53,035
point big bank stopped lending money to people. And they

1878
02:02:53,056 --> 02:02:54,515
kind of got stuck in one of these kinds of

1879
02:02:54,515 --> 02:02:57,755
situations. And that brings us here today. If this is

1880
02:02:57,856 --> 02:03:02,159
approved today, we are ready to subdivision documents. Tomorrow or

1881
02:03:02,159 --> 02:03:05,119
the next day and finish off this project. I'm sure

1882
02:03:05,119 --> 02:03:06,559
it's been a little bit of an eyesore for the

1883
02:03:06,599 --> 02:03:08,989
neighbourhood for a while. And that's all I have. Thank

1884
02:03:08,989 --> 02:03:15,444
you. Thank you. Any members of the public wishing to

1885
02:03:15,465 --> 02:03:18,724
address counsel regarding this application. You can make your way

1886
02:03:18,825 --> 02:03:21,844
to the public podium to your right or raise your

1887
02:03:21,884 --> 02:03:24,244
hand in teams. You have up to five minutes to

1888
02:03:24,244 --> 02:03:26,564
speak and please begin by stating your name and street

1889
02:03:26,604 --> 02:03:31,336
name. This is the second time of asking for any

1890
02:03:31,376 --> 02:03:33,816
members of the public wishing to address council regarding the

1891
02:03:33,917 --> 02:03:40,459
application on Elm Road. And this is the third and

1892
02:03:40,499 --> 02:03:44,834
final time of asking. Your worship seeing none, the applicant

1893
02:03:45,015 --> 02:03:47,794
response needed. This would be the opportunity for Council Task

1894
02:03:47,815 --> 02:03:50,754
questions of staff followed by questions of the applicant. Thank

1895
02:03:50,754 --> 02:03:54,594
you, Councillor Weber, please. Yeah, just for staff, quick question.

1896
02:03:54,594 --> 02:03:58,034
Um, uh, wasn't really mentioned in the presentation or I

1897
02:03:58,034 --> 02:04:00,274
didn't see it in the documents. But what can be,

1898
02:04:00,274 --> 02:04:03,154
what can be squashed into that new lot, that new

1899
02:04:03,175 --> 02:04:05,314
oddly shaped law? What can they build in there? Uh,

1900
02:04:05,415 --> 02:04:08,354
your worship, the property zoned RU1 large lot housing, which

1901
02:04:08,354 --> 02:04:11,294
would allow up to four dwelling units per lot. Uh,

1902
02:04:11,294 --> 02:04:13,954
that would be provided that they could, uh, meet the

1903
02:04:13,954 --> 02:04:16,994
zoning by the regulations, uh, due to the constrained nature,

1904
02:04:16,994 --> 02:04:18,834
in particular of the front lot line is probably unlikely

1905
02:04:18,874 --> 02:04:21,454
that'd be able to achieve parking for four units. But

1906
02:04:21,655 --> 02:04:23,474
that would be up to an architect or a designer

1907
02:04:23,514 --> 02:04:25,919
to try and figure out what could be achieved. Okay.

1908
02:04:25,919 --> 02:04:31,215
Thank you. Thank you, council, seeing no further questions, uh,

1909
02:04:31,215 --> 02:04:33,635
City clerk, please. Thank you, Riship. That concludes any public

1910
02:04:33,656 --> 02:04:35,875
input on this item and we'd be looking for a

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02:04:35,896 --> 02:04:38,795
mover and a seconder of the staff recommendation. Move by

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02:04:38,856 --> 02:04:43,075
Councillor to heart, seconded by Councillor Cannon. Any further discussion.

1913
02:04:44,041 --> 02:04:47,430
Seeing none, all in favor. Posed carried. Thank you to

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02:04:47,430 --> 02:04:49,590
the applicant for being here. And thank you to staff

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02:04:49,771 --> 02:04:53,750
once again. And seeing that, um, we are adjourned.