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Good morning, everybody. We call this meeting the order. Committee of the whole meeting for Thursday, November 20th, 2025. Public information notice. There are none. Land acknowledgment. Call on Councillor Vanne Dahlia. This is everybody who could stand.

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She may go to the Innitian Abbey people to the ancestors and to the spirits who have cared

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for these lands and waters since time immemorial. We are in our treaty three partners including

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our neighbors in Nisachuan, a Nuschen Abbey nation, our hearts go up to you. I want to take

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a moment to acknowledge the recent passing of Chief Lorraine. Chief Copeness was a powerful

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leader, said past compassionate and deeply committed to the well-being of her people and all nations

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with entry three. Her advocacy, her humor, her strength, and her unwavering dedication

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to community will continue to guide us long after her passing. Council members and staff

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were honored to attend the memorial alongside an entire region who come together to acknowledge

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her life and leadership. As we gather here, I recognize that I continue

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to work within systems that have not always treated indigenous peoples with the respect

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and equity they deserve. My responsibility is to work every day to not uphold these systems

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of oppression, even while operating inside them, and to use whatever influence I have to

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push for better, to help build a community where everyone benefits and where reconciliation

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is lived, not just Vulcan.

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May the legacy of leaders like Chief Copeness continue to guide us towards that shared

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future.

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Thank you very much.

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Moving on, the agenda declaration of the keen area interests and the general nature

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thereof.

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So, any Councillor wish to declare a temporary increase on today's agenda from the meeting

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of which a member was not attendance, seeing none.

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I don't know for confirmation of previous committee limits, so we have resolution number one.

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I don't know the five so we have a full document of deputations, presentation, money.

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I'm assuming the great didn't work today for the grade 12 or 11.

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They're coming.

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They'll be here.

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Schooled and start told.

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They'll be here at 10.

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So we are going to have grade 11, 12.

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Law class would be the great visiting and our meeting to observe us this morning.

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Moving on.

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The agenda 5.1.

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Thank

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you so much, Mayor Porrie. Good morning. Mayor council, the members of the city team.

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It's really nice to be here this morning. Lovely to sit in and listen to that very good

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opening for this meeting. It's lovely. Thank you for doing that.

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So I'm here today to bring you an update information, familiarize you with the Lake of the Woods

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water sustainability foundation.

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I'm guessing some of you probably are familiar with the foundation,

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it's been around since 2005, but for those who aren't, this is just an opportunity to provide

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an overview of what this organization is, what we do, and to invite you into some of our work.

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So I'm the executive director of the foundation, and it's an environmental organization that's

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based here in Canora and works on the rainy lake of the Woods watershed.

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Next slide, please.

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We're a really small team.

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There are only two members of staff, myself and Megan Mills,

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who is our international watershed coordinator.

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Meg lives in Winnipeg and spends her summers here in the Treaty Three Territory.

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So she's not here today, she's in the city.

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But we also have a very active board of directors.

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Some of those names may be familiar to you.

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Todd Sellers was our past executive director.

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Don Konantz may be familiar, he's the Commodore of the yacht club, and then other summer cottagers

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make up our board. We have a couple of American directors, the rest are from Canada. Next

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slide, thanks. So we have a pretty straightforward vision and mission. The vision is that we see

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the lake with the wood space, and as a sustainable ecological, well-supported region, and we

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do work that supports the health, economy, and beneficial use of the lake for current

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and future generations.

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So the foundation was set up with a mission to try to protect the ecological integrity

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of lake of the woods.

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This was primarily in response to what we recognized as much as 20 years ago was a growing concern

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around harmful and toxic algae blooms and like of the woods, so that has been kind of one of the

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focus points for the foundation over the past number of years, and I'll talk about that a little

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bit more as we go along. But we do a lot of other things now too. So we actually serve as the hub

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of a network. At the center of that is our International Watershed Coordination Program, so I mentioned

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that Megan is the coordinator, but our organization functions as this hub of coordination of

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services, projects, research, advocacy for everyone in the basin who works on water issues.

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We're probably most well-known for our work with the International Joint Commission.

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We were instrumental in advocating to the governments of Canada and the United States

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for an expanded mandate for the International Joint Commission in this watershed

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that resulted in the formation of a new watershed board in 2013, and I sit on that board and share one of its committees.

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We also are the Secretary up for something called the IMA, the International Multi-Agency Arrangement, which I'll talk about in a moment.

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This is a research consortium. Do you want me to just pause?

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I want to pause. I'll probably take a little bit for them to come in.

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I just like to welcome the grade 11-12 law class and beaver-braher I hope you I don't

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know how long you're going to stay but hopefully okay well you'll you'll see some action

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item. So welcome here and thanks for attending. Thank you. I'll go ahead and keep you

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sorry. Thanks, no problem. Just to catch you all up so you know I'm the Executive Director

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of the Lake of the Woods Water Sustainability Foundation and I'm just here providing information

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to Mayor and Council about what our organization does. So to carry on. So the other functions

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that we serve, we are the Secretary for the International Multi-Agency Arrangement.

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which all of the government agencies in Canada, the United States,

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Manitoba, Minnesota, Ontario all gather to be able to provide information to one another,

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to share resources, to build projects and collaborative plans.

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So we share that and coordinate all of that work.

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We also are liaisons among local groups, so that might be roads associations,

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lake associations, different environmental advocacy organizations,

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and also indigenous nations and communities.

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Okay, next slide.

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So, this is the watershed that we work in.

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The Rainy Lake of the Woods watershed.

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It's huge.

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70,000 square kilometers.

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About 60 percent of it is an Ontario.

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40 percent is in Minnesota.

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There's a tiny little sliver in Southeastern Manitoba.

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The East to West boundary is about 400 kilometers long.

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There's 600 kilometers of waterways

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that flow from Ely, Minnesota in the east, the southeast of the watershed, in a general

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westward direction through Namaken and Rainy Lakes, down Rainy River into Lake of the

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Woods and out through the dams, right at Tunnel Island, right there in Canora, into the Winnipeg

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River.

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Next slide.

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So, our work that we do with the International Joint Commission, so the International Joint

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Commission is an international organization that was created between the governments of

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Canada and the United States with a mandate to enforce and implement the 1909 boundary

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waters treaty. So it has boards across the entire trans boundary between Canada and the

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U.S., wherever there's water that's shared. And their mandate is to maintain the peace between

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the two countries with respect to water resources management. So in this watershed, in the

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Woods watershed board. It has a board comprised of 10 Americans, 10 Canadians, there are two co-chairs.

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And then we have four working committees of the board. There's the Adaptive Management

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Committee, a water levels committee that looks after water levels and flows in NAMIC and

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Arrani Lakes into Rainy River. There's an in public engagement committee and then the

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the aquatic ecosystem health committee, which I co-chair with my cursed from the Lake of the Woods County,

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soil and water conservation district in Minnesota.

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We also, the role that the foundation plays with the board is that we provide our international watershed coordinator as a resource person to the board.

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So, we provide MAG services to help coordinate any projects that are done through the watershed board.

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Okay, next slide. Did you lose your zoom connection?

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Yeah, it's okay. So, a few minutes ago, I mentioned the IMA.

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This is a list. It's all acronyms, so it might be kind of inscrutable,

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but these are all the organizations that are involved in the international multi-agency arrangement.

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So there's a work group that's made up of all the managers from the agencies, so we've

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environment climate change Canada, Grand Council Treaty 3, all the soil and water conservation

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districts at the county level in Minnesota, the provincial ministries of environment, natural

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resources, fisheries, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

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All these big agencies come together in the work group.

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They set a mandate and work plan for the technical advisory committee which is all the people

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who are the boots on the ground doing the actual work in the watershed.

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And then among those technical advisory committee members, we have three working subgroups.

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So there's one that focuses on aquatic invasive species, one that works on water quality nutrients

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and contaminants, and then a third one that's working on core monitoring.

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And core monitoring is just like being able to go out in the water and monitor water quality

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and report on it and analyze that data.

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Okay. Next slide. So the main reason why I came here today actually was to invite you

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all to our next International Watershed Forum. So each year in March, the Foundation

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hosts the International Rainy Lake of the Woods Watershed Forum. We've been doing this

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now for, this will be the 23rd Annual Forum. It's hosted in International Falls, Minnesota

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at the Minnesota North College.

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It's typically a two-day science symposium.

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In recent years, it's kind of grown to be not just science,

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but also policy and governance conversations.

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But we present two days worth of talks

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from experts who work on water issues in the basin.

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So these may be scientific talks.

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They may have to do with governance.

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They may have to do with traditional indigenous knowledge.

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It attracts people from all over North America

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who work on fresh water issues.

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and it's one of the most important freshwater conferences in North America.

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It typically is attended by about 160 people over the two days,

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and it's really interesting, it's where a lot of the work

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to remediate the algae problem in Lake of the Woods has come from,

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but also many other projects.

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So I would invite you all to consider attending.

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This year it will happen March 11th and 12th.

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We'll be sending out registration information probably later in December, and registration

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will open in the new year.

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So I would welcome anyone from Canora to attend.

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We haven't had a lot of participation of Canadians in recent years, and although there

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are some challenges in working internationally these days, this is one of those forums

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that's so critically important to maintain cohesion across the boundary and across the

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It's been a fantastic space and we're

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I'm really glad that we can continue the process here. Okay, next slide. Other things that we offer to the public, we do an annual webinar series. We're right in the middle of it. We've got one coming up tomorrow, in fact, on aquatic invasive species focusing on zebra muscles, but our Ask an Expert series are just one hour webinars that we offer midday. We record them. They're available on our website so you can go back and watch them again and just learn about fresh water science.

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in our region. This year's lineup is really good. They're really interesting. Talks,

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super cool stuff being done here. So I would encourage you to check those out too. Okay,

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next slide. This is the project that we're working on with the most focus this year and next year.

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We actually got three years of funding from the federal government through the Canada Water

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Agency to do a project to develop a phosphorus management plan for the Canadian waters of Lake

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of the woods. So back in the late 1990s the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency started

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looking into this problem of algae and they determined that the waters of lake of the

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woods in the south base and were impaired for nutrients that was leading to eutrification

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algae blooms. That triggered a US environmental protection agency designation of impaired waters

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and then the state had to respond by doing a comprehensive study and plan. They published

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their plan in 2021, the Minnesota Total Maximum Daily Load Study, at the same time Canada

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started doing science and research on Lake of the Woods, but hadn't yet come up with a plan.

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And so now our organization has been tasked with that planning exercise. So over the last year

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and a half, we've been working with communities and producers, mostly in the rainy river region

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to identify sources of nutrient runoff,

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and to try to come up with plans

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for limiting the amount of phosphorus,

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the nutrient that fuels algae blooms,

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to try to limit that from getting into the water

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while the lake cleans itself up.

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So this is what we're responding to.

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These are algae blooms in Canora in late 2024.

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It's pretty nasty. You all probably remember this.

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So we're trying to make that not happen anymore.

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We have lots of tools that we can use now.

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Environment and Climate Change Canada has created a satellite imaging tool that we rely on pretty heavily.

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The EO Lake Watch map.

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You can go online and find this tool and subscribe to it and get weekly updates from May to November.

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And it shows, so it's like a heat map of where the blooms are, the more intense the bloom, the darker red, the color.

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So this was the peak of the bloom in 2024. You can see it was quite extensive in the South Basin and made it all the way up here to Canora.

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I'll talk about it in just a sec.

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So I've got one more slide and then there's a little bit of background.

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Yes, there's a reason why it's at that end.

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So this is this year. It was a much less intense bloom year because we had a really severe drought.

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So when you have a drought, you have less water washing into the watershed and less silt

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and runoff coming in, and so there's less to fuel the bloom.

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So it was a lower bloom here this year.

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So how do we get here?

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So the reason that the blooms start in the south end is a bit of a complicated story, but

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basically, all this nutrient pollution comes from the legacy of industrial activity on the

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rainy river in the early 1900s until about 1960.

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60. So historically the pulp mills, the paper mills sewage, all the effluence just got

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dumped raw into the rainy river. By the 1950s, the rainy river was so polluted that there

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were 12-foot deep bark mats and mulch mats in the river, it was dying. So the government

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tasked the International Joint Commission with doing a study that resulted in setting water

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quality objectives to improve the quality of the water in the rainy river and the formation

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of a board. So over time, the river got cleaned up. The river is now very clean. It's in really good

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condition. It's recovered. But all that garbage that was in the river flushed downstream into

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lake of the woods and it's sitting in the south basin of lake of the woods. The big traverse is a

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big shallow muddy bay. It's only about 20 to 30 feet deep at the deepest point and it's really

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silty on the bottom. And so when they flushed all the nutrients down into that basin, it just sits

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there in the muck and every year when the ice melts the wind picks up and big rollers come in

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and it just churns up all that sediment in the bottom and makes the nutrients be available

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and then you get a bloom because you have lots of nutrients and lots of fertilizer for it.

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So the blooms always start in the south end and then they move north. So there is a progression that the

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the lake is slowly flushing it's flushing at a rate of about 1% per year. So over time it will clean

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itself up. We need to not add more nutrient to it while it does that and ideally find

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ways for there to be removals if we can. But right now the focus is just on limiting

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the amount of new inflow. So we're doing this study. You've seen this map already of what

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the watershed looks like but we're mostly focused on that region around rainy river into

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the south basin. We can continue. This is just some background in case you have questions

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about what a phosphorus management plan is, we're basically not dictating anything to anyone,

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we're working with the community to crowdsource recommendations for actions that different sectors

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and user groups can take to try to contribute to reducing the amount of phosphorus in the system.

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Yeah, I think that's it. So I welcome any questions if anybody has any. And if you don't have any

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right now but you think of some later, by all means just give me a call or send me an email. I'm

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easy to find.

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I'd be happy to do that. It's a bit complicated. I mean we are the center of

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a network. We're a network hub and so yes we do work with all of these groups and our

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integral to all of them, but we're a standalone charitable nonprofit as well so we yeah it's an

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interesting role to hold for sure. Thank you. Okay, Councillor Matson and then Councillor

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Bernie. Tika, is there somewhere that you can phone to report when you see LG Blues? You can so the

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The watershed board, so the International Rainy Lake, the Woods watershed board, does have

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a direct contact function.

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You can go on their website and meet, there's a form you can fill out.

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I don't know if there's a phone number, but for sure there's an email address.

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But if you see one, I mean get in touch with me and I will put you in touch with the right

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agency.

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It depends on where it is in the watershed, what the reporting agency would be, so whether

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it's Minnesota or Ontario and that sort of thing.

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But there is not currently a really clear central directory where you would find that information, but we're working on that.

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Very interesting.

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So you said right now, I'm just in your notes here, that every kilogram of floss versus important.

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You talked about the southern end.

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I grew up down there.

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I spent 50 years on the ring liver.

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And I know it's very well.

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We traveled or sick there every year.

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So, you know, the millisplows and pork transits,

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you've been, regulations put in place, as you mentioned.

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So, what are the, without getting into the great detail?

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Who are the top culprits right now, as far as,

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or what are the causes for phosphorus being dumped or being?

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So, at this point, yeah.

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Introduced to the river, or to the system, no.

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Now, that's a great question.

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And that's sort of one that we grapple with,

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because there isn't necessarily a big culprit now.

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Like the culprit was in the past.

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We're paying for the legacy to, you know,

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I guess a clause for the majority of the constituencies

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that we're working with today to try

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to prevent additional loading would be like, you know,

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anything that disturbs land.

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So any land use development, agriculture and mining,

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Those are, but those are like the primary drivers of the economy, so that, of course, is the sectors that we'd be focused on.

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Currently, all the permitted facilities are well within compliance limits. They're all doing really well.

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The only time that there's a concern is if we have extreme flooding, and, you know, like if a sewage lagoon's berms get topped by flooding, that's a concern.

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And so that's something that we might put some recommendations into our plan about how

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to shore up and build resilience around municipal infrastructure there.

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We're one of our, so not in our project, but there's a parallel project that's underway

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working with agricultural producers to optimize their nutrient management so that when they're

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putting in tile drainage in the rainy river region, so the rainy river region has undergone

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an agricultural revolution and it's now a lot of crop growing corn soybeans and wheat and so

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they've put in tile drains which is like basically giant weeping tile in all the fields and

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that that works really well to actually retain phosphorus on the landscape but it allows nitrogen

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to flow. So we're trying to optimize that and the agricultural producers are fantastic to work with

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they're really open to this because every amount of money that they pour into their

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fertilizers, they want to get their benefit out of it, they don't want it washing into

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the river.

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So they're really on board.

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And then the mining producers, so like new gold, we're working with them as well, currently

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they're perfectly well in compliance.

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So it's really just about making sure that we have all those permitting systems in place

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to keep things good while the system recovers.

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And yeah, it's going to take some time, but the models suggest that, you know, in 25

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years or so, the system should naturally flush, provided it's not under additional stresses,

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which is the real big kicker because, unfortunately, a changing climate is adding a lot of stress

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to the system and exacerbating the nutrient and algae bloom problem.

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one last question. So aside from those factors you talked about, what about development?

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What about the human, just sort of casual people that have camps on the lake and development?

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Yeah, I mean ideally we want to see anyone who's building any kind of new infrastructure on the lake,

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having appropriate management for sediments and runoff, any kind of sewage systems. So ideally,

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property owners that that are next to waterways are maintaining their septic

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system as well. That's an issue that we're starting to look into a little bit.

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We don't have a lot of say in that but we can try to advise some of the

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regulators around that. Yeah I mean those are all small contributions but they

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get up so everyone's got a part to play. Thank you. Yeah.

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Any other questions

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Thank you very much for Tika.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you so much.

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Moving on, agenda 5.2.

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We have Tim Walsh consulting, so he's going to present

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how he needs assessment.

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So I'm going to hand it over to Stacey Gander,

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co-CAO to introduce him.

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Thank you very much, Mayor.

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Just confirming that everybody's there.

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other?

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Teacher taking you guys to Tim Horton's or NW after? I hope so. What's a

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field trip with us in fast food?

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So I'll get us going here. Thank you very

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much. I'm very happy to introduce to Council and the public. The team from Tim

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while she's consulting, have been working with Tim and Frazier and

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Braden for nine months now on what we're calling our Housing Needs Assessment Project.

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The reason that this data is important to us is that when the city does applications for

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funding and when developers wanting to develop are going to finance financial institutions for lending.

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It's very difficult for us to get the app, successful applications are for

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them to get the financing without the appropriate data and we come to learn that the data that

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we had in Canora was flawed.

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So we've been working with Tim Welsh Consulting in terms of trying to understand what our current

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need for housing in Canora is today.

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And we are now there, we have that data, so really happy to turn it over to Tim and Frazier

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and Braden to walk us through the findings of their last nine months working with the City

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of Canora.

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Thank you so much, Dave.

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Good morning, everyone.

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I just want to confirm you can still hear me and I'm going to share my screen because we had been disconnected there for a second.

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Yes, we can.

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Okay, and you can see the presentation on the screen there.

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Yes, we can.

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Perfect, thank you so much.

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So good morning, everyone.

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Mayor's Member Council.

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My name is Frazier Fathers.

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I'm a Senior Housing Policy Consultant with TWC on the call as well as Braden, who's a Housing Consultant with us.

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and then obviously Tim Welsh, the Tim Welsh of Tim Welsh consulting, who is the principal consultant with TWC.

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And as states were sort of saying we've been working with the City of Canora and it's been a pleasure to work with the City staff for the last nine months on this housing needs assessment.

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And so, we're going to give you really a crash course on the housing needs assessment and what it is and sort of high level for you today. Accompanying this presentation is over 100 pages of research and data. Supporting, you know, background research and support to support the city of Kenora moving forward nest days sort of outlined. CMHC and federal programs are now requiring in many cases a completed housing needs assessment to qualify for a range of funding.

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where those are grants or preferred incentives, various other funding streams.

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And the NHNA is often becoming a requirement for non-profit and even private developers

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looking to receive government financing or other supports through from CMHC or other

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government agencies.

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And it's quite likely for the new build Canada homes will also require some sort of housing

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related information as well.

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and the HNA explores a full range of housing needs

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from not just affordable housing,

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but along the entire spectrum of housing,

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to from affordable, to attainable, to supportive,

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but also what the average market home

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and even the luxury homes in some cases

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in some communities would look like

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in a particular community.

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And the challenge that we find in our work

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with smaller communities is that there's often gaps

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in the data from both from a local perspective,

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but also from the federal government perspective.

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of CMHC, for example, has trouble collecting data in smaller communities, and even the

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census has some gaps in data in smaller communities, particularly over time.

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So very briefly, the process that we went through over the last nine months, obviously

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TWC was retained to engage in research and engage the community around the current state of

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housing needs and tomorrow.

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And after a flawed city staff, we worked really hard together to make sure that we got a robust

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sample of a feedback from the city of Canora and from residents and businesses.

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So a pair of surveys were launched back in the summer, which city staff did a great heavy

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lift on getting the word out to the community and ensuring that we had over 700 residents

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respond to the survey and over 77 businesses complete a separate business survey as well.

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And there are appendices to the full H&A that really provide high-level summaries of that

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engagement process.

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We also did focus groups and individual interviews of 15 local businesses,

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realtors, community and public sector organizations to get really dig in on

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like how is housing impacting your organization or the housing needs

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in Canora impacting your organization? And so what that really gave us is a robust

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set of data that really helped provide the local context, the local why, how and

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why of what's happening in Canora that we can then pair up against you know the

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broader census and CMHC data were available.

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So the next few slides are going to walk through

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some of the findings at a very high level.

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As I mentioned, there is over 100 pages in the H&A.

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Itself, we also have a summative report

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that really distills that down to approximately 20 pages.

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We're happy to answer those questions

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on any of these elements at the end of the presentation.

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But we just want to sort of walk through

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the high level findings.

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And these findings really build off of one another.

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So keep in mind as we're sort of walking through this that it's sort of building block

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They all add up to sort of where we get to in the conclusion of the H&A and we start with the city of Canora's population

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And you can see on the graph there sort of

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Highlighting the trend lines for the city and there was economic transition from 2001 through 2016 in Canora

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And in the 2021 census found just under 15,000 people about 14,967 folks living in Canora

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The population estimates since the census have been showing some robust growth in the community, and that's an important thing to consider

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in the broader community context. A couple other facts that we should just highlight as well is you have an average of about 2.2 people per household.

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So in a given household, you have about 2.2 people, which isn't that far outside the provincial average.

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You have about 21% of the population in Canara with seniors at the time of the census, which is slightly above the average in Ontario at 18.5%.

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and 5%, and Kenora is home to a significant indigenous population, whether those are

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first nations, Métis or Inuit, with almost a quarter of the population self-identifying

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with that ancestry, and that it compares to only about 3% in the broader province.

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So certainly a diverse community, and that brings with it its own challenges from a housing

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perspective in some cases.

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And what we want to point out here is, you know, there's some data missing from the

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general population projections, general population data, from the census.

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One thing that we like to look at is province-wide, there was actually about a 3%, just under

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a 4% undercount in the population from the census.

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So the census obviously engaged, you know, we weren't able to get to 3.7, 3.8% of the households

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around the province.

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And so if we apply that value to Canora, your actual population is probably closer to

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15,500 at the time of the census.

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Rule and Northern communities generally have a larger or higher undercount rate because

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it's just harder to get the places where people are for the census.

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So something to keep in mind going forward.

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You know, Canora is also home to a significant seasonality in its population levels, knowing

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that I'm talking with city staff and your population seems to swell to almost 30,000 people

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in the summer. That's not captured in the census. The impacts of the surrounding Indigenous

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communities and reserves, as well as the unincorporated areas, also because the Kenora operates as a hub

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for those communities, you actually have a larger service footprint than your community may actually

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represent from a population perspective. That's not captured anywhere. And then obviously there's

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recent growth in temporary foreign worker usage in Canora and seasonal employment.

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And so what that means is that you have a municipality that's servicing a larger population

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than its actual population is sort of sort of indicating.

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You have demand for social services and related employment as a result of that.

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And the potential undercounts mean that just looking at the raw data may not tell the full

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story around housing demand in Canora.

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So, as we move forward and we look at the types of housing in Canora, yet about at the time

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of the census, you know, 7,600 or so units of housing in Canora, but what we quickly found

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digging into the data was only about 6,500 of those are regularly inhabited and working

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00:36:37,050 --> 00:36:37,870
with city staff.

444
00:36:37,870 --> 00:36:42,490
We were able to identify hundreds of cabins, cottages, et cetera, that, you know, during

445
00:36:42,490 --> 00:36:46,990
the summer are certainly inhabited, I'm sure, but are not regularly inhabited year

446
00:36:46,990 --> 00:36:51,650
around. And so part of that means that you have this proportion of housing where, again,

447
00:36:51,830 --> 00:36:55,430
from the federal government perspective and from looking at, you know, the raw data,

448
00:36:55,790 --> 00:37:00,170
you have more housing than necessarily is inhabited in your community year round. And

449
00:37:00,170 --> 00:37:04,710
so it creates a disconnect in the data. As you can see by the percentages there, about

450
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:09,710
77% of your homes or dwellings are detached homes. That's actually far higher than the rest

451
00:37:09,710 --> 00:37:16,470
of Northern Ontario, Thunder Bay comes in at 68.8%, Sioux St. Erie 66.8, and Sudbury

452
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:21,830
at 61.4. Some of those are those cottages and seasonal dwellings being counted in there,

453
00:37:21,970 --> 00:37:27,450
but what it also shows is a lack of diversity in housing in the community. And that can create

454
00:37:27,450 --> 00:37:32,550
challenges, you know, for folks trying to find certain kinds of housing in a particular point in time.

455
00:37:33,090 --> 00:37:39,010
Another element is the 14 or 15% of the housing that is in the form of apartments, both low and high

456
00:37:39,010 --> 00:37:44,130
rises. A significant portion of that is actually operated by the Canary District Service Board.

457
00:37:44,610 --> 00:37:49,710
This isn't a bad thing having supportive and affordable housing as it needed. But what it means

458
00:37:49,710 --> 00:37:54,350
is that there's less market housing of that type in your community than it is actually represented

459
00:37:54,350 --> 00:37:59,430
in the data. And what that means is that it's hard to find that apartment for that young person who's

460
00:37:59,430 --> 00:38:03,370
moved out because there's actually a smaller share of rental market apartments there.

461
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:06,910
We've also

462
00:38:06,910 --> 00:38:10,950
sort of a portion of housing units moving out of the long-term rental market and into

463
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:13,170
that short-term seasonal rental market in Canora.

464
00:38:13,630 --> 00:38:16,530
And that's also creating pressures on the overall housing market.

465
00:38:17,610 --> 00:38:21,850
The other thing that we also found through this project is there are data gaps in Canora.

466
00:38:22,030 --> 00:38:26,590
So CMHC has a number of years of data where the responses to their rental market survey

467
00:38:26,590 --> 00:38:30,870
as well as some of their other data sets are not as reliable due to small sample sizes from

468
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:32,470
response rate challenges in Canora.

469
00:38:33,230 --> 00:38:37,650
And then also, you know, organizations like, for example, due to the small size,

470
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:46,470
Kenora doesn't have, for example, a robust real estate board that publishes regular updates on sort of the home sale data and market data in that regard as well.

471
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:52,150
So what it means is obviously there's a lack of diversity in some housing supply in Kenora.

472
00:38:52,490 --> 00:38:57,730
And also there's a number of infrastructure, number of barriers to building new housing in Kenora,

473
00:38:57,730 --> 00:39:01,110
whether it's infrastructure means challenges and costs of just building on the Canadian

474
00:39:01,110 --> 00:39:05,970
Shield and then once those housing units are built ensuring that they stay in sort of

475
00:39:05,970 --> 00:39:11,490
that long-term rental market or long-term you know family market is a challenge in the community as

476
00:39:11,490 --> 00:39:16,770
well and the inability to diversify housing supplies creating barriers to household formation

477
00:39:16,770 --> 00:39:22,050
and employment and we'll build on this in a second but what that really means is that because you

478
00:39:22,050 --> 00:39:27,050
don't have certain kinds of housing it's making it challenging to attract the right talent

479
00:39:27,050 --> 00:39:32,430
or for folks who are in the community who want to live in certain kinds of housing to find the housing that they need.

480
00:39:33,950 --> 00:39:39,970
As a result of that, you know, again, we've highlighted that Canora is a service hub, an employment hub, for a large reason.

481
00:39:40,410 --> 00:39:46,910
Region and requires the capacities to support those services, but you also have some, you know, unique facets to your economy.

482
00:39:47,070 --> 00:39:56,250
The seasonality of your economy creates some housing challenges, and that you're bringing folks in for the summer months, and then they're not necessarily staying through the winter months as well.

483
00:39:56,250 --> 00:40:00,850
You also have a smaller, and this is common for many sort of small mid-sized communities,

484
00:40:00,970 --> 00:40:05,570
a lower proportion of self-employment in your community, partially just due to the makeup

485
00:40:05,570 --> 00:40:09,710
of your local economy, and the challenges that can accompany with it.

486
00:40:10,250 --> 00:40:17,990
But what we also found within the data is a gap in incomes between tenants and renters.

487
00:40:18,190 --> 00:40:23,110
Now, Kenora at an individual level actually performs quite well from an income perspective.

488
00:40:23,110 --> 00:40:27,670
of your above-provincial medians, but when we look at a household level, so sort of grouping

489
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:33,710
folks together, Kenora performs about $3,000 to $4,000 less than provincial averages,

490
00:40:34,310 --> 00:40:40,770
and within that sort of, when you compare tenants to homeowners, you can see a significant

491
00:40:40,770 --> 00:40:46,070
gap in the median incomes, which is showing a growing inequality, the ability to jump from

492
00:40:46,070 --> 00:40:50,050
being a tenant to a homeowner is becoming a challenging Kenora from an income perspective,

493
00:40:50,050 --> 00:40:56,450
And this is playing out across Ontario, but those gaps there are significant.

494
00:40:57,170 --> 00:41:03,210
And through our consultation, we also identified numerous employers who are unable to find

495
00:41:03,770 --> 00:41:08,250
secure housing and it's creating barriers to the local economic and employment opportunities.

496
00:41:08,850 --> 00:41:14,990
And over 130 jobs were identified as going unfilled at the time of our engagement in Kenora

497
00:41:14,990 --> 00:41:16,410
due to housing issues.

498
00:41:17,090 --> 00:41:24,230
So, your regional hub, you know, the hub of your part of Ontario, that creates specific

499
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:25,510
demands for your community.

500
00:41:26,090 --> 00:41:30,570
And as a result of that, you know, because the housing market isn't aligned to meet

501
00:41:30,570 --> 00:41:34,450
those demands, it's creating gaps in your local employment and economic environment.

502
00:41:34,890 --> 00:41:40,850
And with expected growth coming from, you know, things like the hospital plans, additional

503
00:41:40,850 --> 00:41:44,390
housing demands are likely going to be coming as you move forward.

504
00:41:47,140 --> 00:41:52,420
And then what where that leads though is into the space of core housing need, core housing

505
00:41:52,420 --> 00:41:53,820
need is made up of three elements.

506
00:41:54,380 --> 00:41:59,440
It's whether or not housing is affordable based on being less costing less than 30% of

507
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:04,140
your before tax household income, whether the housing is considered to be adequate, meaning

508
00:42:04,140 --> 00:42:08,260
in other words, it doesn't require major repairs and Kenora performs actually quite well in

509
00:42:08,260 --> 00:42:08,720
that standard.

510
00:42:09,140 --> 00:42:12,940
And then whether or not the housing is suitable, you have enough bedrooms for the folks in

511
00:42:12,940 --> 00:42:13,380
the house.

512
00:42:13,380 --> 00:42:19,080
And at the time of the census, about 415 households were in housing need in Canora.

513
00:42:19,580 --> 00:42:24,180
That number is actually likely under representing the current situation, as COVID supports

514
00:42:24,180 --> 00:42:26,400
were in place of the time of the census.

515
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,060
And that was income supports that were helping offset some of the affordability pressures,

516
00:42:31,420 --> 00:42:32,880
facing folks in the community.

517
00:42:32,980 --> 00:42:37,940
And since then, obviously, we've seen inflation in both the rental and homesick and sort

518
00:42:37,940 --> 00:42:40,480
of home construction costs in Canora.

519
00:42:41,620 --> 00:42:46,540
The 2024 point in time count from the Kenora District Service Board also identified

520
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:48,920
affordability being a major challenge.

521
00:42:49,380 --> 00:42:55,620
Certainly 28% of respondents said that their income was too low and 21% of respondents

522
00:42:55,620 --> 00:42:56,840
said the rents were too high.

523
00:42:57,340 --> 00:43:01,900
More or less of those are the same side of the, different sides of the same coin where in

524
00:43:01,900 --> 00:43:07,280
essence you had about half of the respondents of the point in time kind saying some sort

525
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,720
of income issue was preventing them from finding adequate housing.

526
00:43:11,540 --> 00:43:16,660
And the Kenora Distress Service Board does have new units planned to support core housing

527
00:43:16,660 --> 00:43:21,620
need, and those at the lower end of the housing spectrum, but funding needs to be secured,

528
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:26,480
and hopefully, as H&A will help backstop some of those funding requests moving forward.

529
00:43:27,180 --> 00:43:32,500
But what it means is that the cost of lack of supply is a major driver of housing risk

530
00:43:32,500 --> 00:43:33,760
in Kenora right now.

531
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:40,840
There's a number of strategies being implemented, but they still require time and energy to move forward and resources to move forward.

532
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:50,120
And obviously, as a regional service hub for economic and social services, you're attracting folks to the region to so they can access those services and supports.

533
00:43:50,740 --> 00:43:56,940
And that leads you to a position where you have extraordinary demand in your community and supply is a major challenge.

534
00:43:56,940 --> 00:44:06,840
And so this slide is sort of the culmination of our work and we work with states and his team over a long period of time to really build out this modeling.

535
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:21,040
And this is an estimate of future housing demand and again refreshing briefly your current total housing stock is about 7600 units and with a range of major infrastructure and economic development projects forthcoming.

536
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:26,140
forthcoming, you know, we're expecting significant demand, both in the short term with construction

537
00:44:26,140 --> 00:44:31,300
workers, etc., but then permanent employment, like those projects, are completed. Now, I'm

538
00:44:31,300 --> 00:44:36,920
going to walk through the table in detail in a second, but within the full H&A, CMAC uses

539
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:42,880
a relatively straightforward methodology to estimate future housing demand. And based

540
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:48,280
on theirs, their methodology, you work out to about 867 additional units being needed by

541
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:56,400
2031. Now the methodology is sound, but it misses pieces of the puzzle. It doesn't account

542
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,820
for economic development and economic growth. It doesn't account for, for example,

543
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:26,960
Some of the undercounts and things like that that we've talked about through this presentation and through the H&A. And so what we did was we went and tried to build a more robust model that took into account some of these things. And what I would say is the table on the right represents maybe a more outlier scenario of that model, I'll explain what that means in a moment. But what it does sort of share is sort of like at the far end of the spectrum, what an extreme scenario may be from a housing demand perspective.

544
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:33,140
So, to walk through the table in 2025, some of these rows, obviously, we mentioned that

545
00:45:33,140 --> 00:45:35,620
population undercount from the 2021 census.

546
00:45:36,020 --> 00:45:41,660
So if that undercount holds true, it means that there's about 126 units or households

547
00:45:41,660 --> 00:45:44,720
that are on account for in the community that you have to account for.

548
00:45:45,180 --> 00:45:49,640
Then we've had population growth, which has been cataloged by Statistics Canada through

549
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:55,160
their population estimates all the way through 2024, and then leveraging the same population

550
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:59,420
modeling that is being used for your official plan. We estimate, you know, in 2025, there's about

551
00:45:59,420 --> 00:46:04,260
an additional 159 households that are in Canora that weren't there at the time of the census.

552
00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:10,940
Then we have suppressed household formation. And this is what this is in essence, again, a measure of

553
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:18,020
folks who want to create their own household unit but are unable to. And then to give you a couple

554
00:46:18,020 --> 00:46:23,260
tangible examples, let's say that there is a student who has just moved home to their parents after

555
00:46:23,260 --> 00:46:24,780
They're completing post-secondary education.

556
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:29,940
They found a job in Canora, and they love to move out of their house, or their parents'

557
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:30,120
house.

558
00:46:30,420 --> 00:46:31,920
I think we've all been there at some point.

559
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:37,700
Really, what they're unable to do, unfortunately, is actually move out because of high rents

560
00:46:37,700 --> 00:46:40,540
or lack of supply, et cetera, in the community.

561
00:46:40,740 --> 00:46:42,240
So that's a suppressed household.

562
00:46:42,940 --> 00:46:47,800
Another example may be a senior who's looking to downsize from a single family home to say

563
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,880
an apartment or condo that's more livable.

564
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:55,320
well, they're unable to downsize to that apartment condo due to lack of supply.

565
00:46:55,700 --> 00:47:00,500
It also creates a bottleneck because there's another household who can't move into their

566
00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:06,380
single family home because the senior has an inadequate form of housing that they want

567
00:47:06,380 --> 00:47:06,920
to access.

568
00:47:07,940 --> 00:47:13,760
And so this modeling is leveraging the heart model, which is, again, also integrated into

569
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:20,560
the H&A. And again, there's about 362 households that would like to change their housing estimated

570
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:25,860
within the city of Canora, but they can't do to supply. We obviously heard from employers

571
00:47:25,860 --> 00:47:32,040
of approximately 130 current jobs or employment missing in the community due to lack of housing.

572
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:36,940
So in other words, if there's 130 new units, they would bring in 130 new people or households

573
00:47:36,940 --> 00:47:42,900
into the community and fill those vacancies. And then there's housing demand induced by major projects

574
00:47:42,900 --> 00:47:47,560
and job growth. And this was a collaboration between ourselves and city staff around, well,

575
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,940
what are the projects in the pipeline are currently happening? And what is the employment

576
00:47:51,940 --> 00:47:57,220
demand going to be created by those projects and that job growth? And you can see this year,

577
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:02,340
it's a modest amount, but you can see as the years go by and frankly, as the hospital construction

578
00:48:02,340 --> 00:48:08,600
and project moves forward, you're going to see significant demand growth in those from that sort of

579
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,480
part of the housing spectrum and that folks coming to Canora to work on these projects

580
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:18,000
and they're going to need to be housed. That leads to us to a market and population housing gap

581
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:23,240
and you can see currently it's about 812 and you can see how that is going to change over time.

582
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:30,360
And as you get to 2030 and 2031 you're almost double what the H&A estimates there.

583
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:35,600
And then we layer on top of that the current Canora District Service Board housing gap and they

584
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:40,820
have a wait list of approximately 800 individuals hoping to get into affordable or some sort of supportive

585
00:48:40,820 --> 00:48:44,880
housing. And again, if you were to layer that on top of that and want to tackle that as well,

586
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:50,860
you can see where the numbers get to there with almost about 1,600 units being needed currently

587
00:48:50,860 --> 00:48:57,860
at that number growing to about just under 2,500 units by 2031. Now this, as I mentioned, is probably

588
00:48:57,860 --> 00:49:03,700
an outlier scenario. We are not accounting for things like, as you can see, we have a straight line

589
00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:08,500
estimate of employment shortage based on our engagement result. It's likely that fluctuates

590
00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:13,120
year to year. It also doesn't account for, for example, we assume that every new worker who

591
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:17,940
comes to town requires their own individual unit of housing. That's likely not true in many

592
00:49:17,940 --> 00:49:22,160
cases. You may get a situation when the hospital's built, for example. You recruit a doctor,

593
00:49:22,820 --> 00:49:27,220
and his partner, his or her partner comes to the community as well, and also feels one of those

594
00:49:27,220 --> 00:49:31,580
They get employment positions, so you in essence have one household filling two jobs.

595
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:38,920
And so even if this estimate is, you know, more robust than necessarily needed, it is

596
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:44,000
giving you sort of an outlier scenario where the likely, your likely need is going to

597
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,420
fall somewhere between the CMHCS and the high end of this scenario.

598
00:49:49,060 --> 00:49:53,060
And that gives you sort of an idea of the scope of challenge that you sort of need in the

599
00:49:53,060 --> 00:49:58,780
community to an essence, try and restore affordability and restore housing supply to a place

600
00:49:58,780 --> 00:50:06,140
where you have affordable and accessible housing across the spectrum. And so to achieve this end,

601
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:11,920
the municipality and the folks of the city there have identified 13 actions and many of these are

602
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:18,080
sort of underway already but also are in process moving forward and will be sort of key elements

603
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:23,780
moving forward just to help tackle the housing need across the community and these range from

604
00:50:23,780 --> 00:50:28,740
obviously there's an official plan and zoning by-law work under way already developing a master

605
00:50:28,740 --> 00:50:34,940
infrastructure plan, you know, the collaboration on the new all-nations healthcare partners and the

606
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:40,680
Cnores chief advisory to finalize, you know, the developments related to those projects.

607
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:46,460
All the way to increasing efficiency around, you know, getting building and planning permits done

608
00:50:46,460 --> 00:50:48,960
and faster examining modular building practices

609
00:50:49,470 --> 00:50:52,220
and implementing clear planning and development guidelines.

610
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:54,460
So there's a range of actions that the city staff

611
00:50:54,460 --> 00:50:56,540
have already sort of identified as a starting point

612
00:50:56,540 --> 00:50:59,140
that help move towards achieving those goals,

613
00:50:59,620 --> 00:51:02,540
but there are significant steps moving forward.

614
00:51:03,380 --> 00:51:04,920
So in about 10 minutes there,

615
00:51:05,100 --> 00:51:07,000
I think I rattled through about the equivalent

616
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,840
of 125 pages worth of data.

617
00:51:10,460 --> 00:51:12,540
I'm happy to stop sharing my screen

618
00:51:12,540 --> 00:51:14,660
or go back to a specific slide

619
00:51:14,660 --> 00:51:19,480
if any members of council or the mayor have any questions and we're happy to

620
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:25,020
feel those questions at the appropriate time. Thank you Fraser. So we do have a

621
00:51:25,020 --> 00:51:31,820
question one so far from Councillor Ben Bellino. So take it away. Thank you

622
00:51:31,820 --> 00:51:37,800
Your Worship. Well we have some noticeable gaps. I would highlight the

623
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,160
probably some of these are self-induced due to past practice and sort of

624
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:54,840
highlighting around, you know, are higher than average, single family home statistics and then some of our gaps in our official plan and our zoning bylaws that obviously are really need of updating.

625
00:51:55,300 --> 00:52:02,760
Are there communities in Ontario, maybe in our population size that you see doing this well?

626
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,080
Like meeting the housing needs?

627
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,840
So I'll start, and then I think Tim may jump in as well.

628
00:52:11,260 --> 00:52:14,740
There are, but every community first has their own unique challenges.

629
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,980
So it's kind of like, you know, it's not comparing apples to oranges,

630
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,020
but it's like comparing different flavors of apples.

631
00:52:20,020 --> 00:52:24,020
You know, some communities are granny Smith versus red delicious versus honey crisp there.

632
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:29,500
So certainly there are some, you know, I think of, you know, for example,

633
00:52:29,500 --> 00:52:32,280
a community we've done work with, like, sogging shores, for example,

634
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:38,200
Where they've gone and done work around and TWC supported this work around doing pre-approved

635
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:46,180
designs for additional dwelling units and other sort of, you know, duplex, triplex, quadplex

636
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:51,880
development in their community where the town actually has put free to access, you know,

637
00:52:52,060 --> 00:52:56,740
designs publicly available where any developer can just sort of go and say, I want to build

638
00:52:56,740 --> 00:53:01,500
the quadplex and it can lead to a fast track through the planning and zoning process, through

639
00:53:01,500 --> 00:53:03,920
through the permitting process and things like that.

640
00:53:04,180 --> 00:53:08,800
So the specific needs, and I think the 13 actions that were identified by city staff are

641
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,460
really going to help fill some of those gaps that you identified in the official plan

642
00:53:13,460 --> 00:53:14,400
and zoning by-law.

643
00:53:14,740 --> 00:53:20,880
And then really there's a question there of what levers does council want to pull around

644
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,580
innovation and trying new things?

645
00:53:22,860 --> 00:53:29,700
So the idea around modular homes is certainly interesting, given that you're a northern community,

646
00:53:29,700 --> 00:53:49,760
You know, building costs are high in some cases. So there's opportunity there, but I think it's really going to be about, you know, there's so many levers you could pull really narrowing focus on one or two that council really wants to get behind and then moving that needle trying to move that needle through one or two of those actions in a rapid manner.

647
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:53,270
Tim, you're muted.

648
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:04,680
If I can just elaborate just slightly that in Bruce County yesterday we're

649
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:10,900
sawing shores and they've got a lot of growth in terms of workforce housing

650
00:54:10,900 --> 00:54:14,660
because of the Bruce nuclear refurbishments that are going on right now.

651
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:20,540
It's a community that has sawing shores is very similar population, it's

652
00:54:20,540 --> 00:54:25,180
19,000, but there's been I think they're a really good coordination between the

653
00:54:25,180 --> 00:54:30,180
county, just the service manager like your DSAP is your service manager, and the area

654
00:54:30,180 --> 00:54:36,320
municipalities setting out in some cases incentives, where we call tax incentive grants

655
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:45,180
for new rental housing, a range of rental housing, as well as any forgiveness of municipal

656
00:54:45,180 --> 00:54:51,020
fees, et cetera, trying to lay, you know, trying to be as welcoming as possible for new

657
00:54:51,020 --> 00:55:00,500
for the housing of the other thing they're looking at, and as we work towards the new federal program of build Canada homes is to have a courted response.

658
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:08,760
So for this city can order, we're very closely with the de-sab, and say here are two or three or four or five projects.

659
00:55:08,780 --> 00:55:16,820
It sounds like the federal government right now is working towards a larger scale, so if there can be work over the next number of months, identifying.

660
00:55:16,820 --> 00:55:25,500
And I know states that good contacts with with certainly private sector developers looking to do private market rental housing.

661
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:40,680
But also to see about trying to have that range of housing. So people who are my registered nursing assistant are orderly at the hospital or daycare workers, etc who make a little bit above minimum wage, but not high enough to afford full market rent.

662
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:54,680
So, trying to have both set the table locally, having the coordination with the service manager, with the DSAB, and trying to build a collaborative case to prepare for the new build Canada Homeless Initiative.

663
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:59,350
Thank you.

664
00:56:09,410 --> 00:56:20,090
So, you've given us all this information. Is Kenora doing enough? Is it halfway there? Do we have 90% changes we have to make? Where are we?

665
00:56:24,050 --> 00:56:27,510
So, Kenora, like the H&A is the start of a journey, I would say.

666
00:56:27,610 --> 00:56:31,250
And this is what I say to a lot of communities in that this is sort of laid the groundwork.

667
00:56:31,530 --> 00:56:35,090
I think, you know, and I may ask staff to weigh in a little bit on this,

668
00:56:35,290 --> 00:56:39,490
because they know more of the local context of specifically what the municipality is doing.

669
00:56:40,010 --> 00:56:44,770
But certainly those 13 steps, if you're going to move through that list and accomplish many of those,

670
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:50,290
those would be sort of your major goals in the short term to try and move those forward.

671
00:56:50,290 --> 00:57:04,290
And then, if hopefully if those are achieved, it will help unlock housing supply in the community through a number of pathways, whether that is market or affordable or attainable or pre-fab or what have you.

672
00:57:04,430 --> 00:57:16,830
So, I do think Knorr is on the right track. I wouldn't want to put a certain percentage on it just because, again, what's happening in the community varies day to day and maybe staff wants to weigh on that.

673
00:57:16,830 --> 00:57:17,750
Thank

674
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:31,150
you. Yeah, it's Mayor Porier. So the other day I saw in the news.

675
00:57:33,350 --> 00:57:34,830
They were talking about

676
00:57:36,090 --> 00:57:44,430
I think I think it was in relation to Toronto Vancouver, some of the larger centers where they've

677
00:57:44,430 --> 00:57:52,870
realized now they've missed the boat on what type of housing they build. Because people say we should

678
00:57:52,870 --> 00:58:00,410
have another like we have a development was called South Park and that it took 20 years

679
00:58:00,410 --> 00:58:08,910
to fill and there's about 70 75 lots maybe. The reality is most people and today aren't

680
00:58:08,910 --> 00:58:16,310
going to spend a north of a million dollars and then some to and it'll be at a minimum

681
00:58:16,310 --> 00:58:24,490
of that to build like a bungalow and not and are we missing the middle because that's

682
00:58:24,490 --> 00:58:30,210
what they talked about in this report. They said developers and governments miss the

683
00:58:30,210 --> 00:58:38,150
boat completely and have built these huge homes which are fine for some people but the majority

684
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:45,770
people can't afford like north of a million dollars, but they can afford that, you know, 400.

685
00:58:46,290 --> 00:58:51,950
Like I always said, we should have townhouses like built in clusters, you know, tasteful

686
00:58:51,950 --> 00:59:01,170
nice ones, and encouraged development of those instead of, you know, I look at what 77% of

687
00:59:01,170 --> 00:59:05,890
of a detached family homes which is high.

688
00:59:07,450 --> 00:59:09,930
I think we need to be coming more into the center

689
00:59:09,930 --> 00:59:12,330
in that because we talk a lot about housing

690
00:59:12,330 --> 00:59:15,850
and we have studies and like I've been around long enough

691
00:59:15,850 --> 00:59:17,790
to see all like a stack of studies,

692
00:59:18,450 --> 00:59:20,890
but we haven't done anything in the last 20 years here.

693
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:25,990
We've done stuff on the social housing piece

694
00:59:26,750 --> 00:59:30,570
but like that's not going to bring in a nurse

695
00:59:30,570 --> 00:59:36,290
or a doctor or whatever. I'm sorry and it's not a slight against social housing but we need to

696
00:59:36,290 --> 00:59:44,610
start focusing on you know private sector development and where they get their money is we can

697
00:59:44,610 --> 00:59:50,670
help them and you know be part of that but we need to start building houses for people that are

698
00:59:50,670 --> 00:59:57,190
going to be here over the next four or five years that will be making enough money in that to pay

699
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:59,530
market rent or to buy

700
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,820
Something if they're going to be here, three, four, or five years on a construction project. So I was just wondering, does that make sense going forward? You know, I always said, like I would buy other housing in this community as an investment, not at a million to for a bungalow, forget it. There's no money in that. But I would buy 400 or 450,000 dollar townhouse and rent it until such time that I would use it.

701
01:00:29,820 --> 01:00:36,620
And I know many other people that would feel that would be a good investment, which would

702
01:00:36,620 --> 01:00:38,760
help spur on housing needs.

703
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:46,380
So I'm just wondering if you feel that maybe we're, are we kind of just in the discussions

704
01:00:46,380 --> 01:00:48,200
you have with states so far?

705
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,500
Are we kind of going in that direction or are we going in the wrong direction?

706
01:00:52,180 --> 01:00:54,920
Because we need to change course very quickly if we are.

707
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:56,300
Yeah.

708
01:00:56,300 --> 01:01:03,060
Thank you. So I think I think this report identifies that gap is that missing middle in a lot of ways in your community.

709
01:01:04,220 --> 01:01:17,580
You know the 77% you know sort of highlights that certainly I would say you know part of the biggest challenge around getting some of those units built is just the cost of construction right which is beyond the control of the municipality in a lot of cases.

710
01:01:17,580 --> 01:01:24,120
And so finding ways to support, you know, a developer or a builder to get those construction

711
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:28,340
costs lower, whether that's through modular or through some sort of partnership, you

712
01:01:28,340 --> 01:01:31,880
know, is a pathway that the town, the city could explore, certainly.

713
01:01:32,460 --> 01:01:36,220
I do think, you know, and again, using the sawgying showers example, they found a similar sort

714
01:01:36,220 --> 01:01:41,200
of challenge, right, in that, and that's why they created pre-approved plans for four

715
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:47,140
plexes and three plexes and duplexes and ADUs to sort of add that gentle density and that

716
01:01:47,140 --> 01:01:51,780
missing middle to their community, which is, again, largely a single family community,

717
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:57,800
home style community in Bruce County. So certainly I think there's opportunity there,

718
01:01:57,940 --> 01:02:02,820
whether you can get the construction costs and all the costs down to $400 or $500,000 in your

719
01:02:02,820 --> 01:02:08,120
particular community, that's probably going to be a challenge, but I think just you're going to need

720
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:12,840
a range of housing to get out of it. So some of this will need to be apartment buildings that are,

721
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:19,620
You know market rent, but they're nice enough that someone will want to you know live there for five to seven years

722
01:02:19,620 --> 01:02:26,520
And have enough money in the bank that they can save to then put the down payment on a single family home when they're ready to move forward

723
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:32,780
That and that's what that household suppression sort of line in the in the estimates there is really talking about

724
01:02:32,780 --> 01:02:40,020
It's about those folks who may be who are living in canore or are in canore now and would like some other form of housing

725
01:02:40,020 --> 01:02:44,320
whether that's a young person who, you know, wants to get out, or it's a senior who wants to downsize.

726
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:49,480
So ensuring that there is that spectrum of housing is certainly an important step.

727
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:54,120
And just to have two things, one, having the housing needs assessment data,

728
01:02:55,020 --> 01:02:59,960
the good work that Fraser and Brandon have pulled together, is a really important part.

729
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:05,100
And I know we've had discussions with staff, it was a private sector, a rental builder,

730
01:03:05,100 --> 01:03:09,580
C.H.C. had been a little bit reluctant because they didn't have a good handle on the data.

731
01:03:09,900 --> 01:03:15,860
So we are hoping the work that our firm has done will give you that tool, as a municipality

732
01:03:15,860 --> 01:03:16,660
to say.

733
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:26,120
Yes, here is the reality of the market need C.H.C., in that case, provide the mortgage financing

734
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:27,240
for the market rental.

735
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:35,940
The other coming up make terms of trying to help that middle level is, are there any other municipal lands?

736
01:03:36,180 --> 01:03:39,040
This is a strategy many municipalities have brought in more recently.

737
01:03:39,180 --> 01:03:44,520
Are there municipal lands that can be made available for moderate income households?

738
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,440
There's a number of examples.

739
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:56,820
There was just one release last night from town of Midland on southern Georgia Bay looking for a mixture of housing.

740
01:03:56,820 --> 01:04:02,640
So, you know, are those, I know that land is challenging to come by, but are there any

741
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:07,500
sites that could be made available for that mid-level housing for them?

742
01:04:11,170 --> 01:04:13,030
Thank you. Any other questions?

743
01:04:17,970 --> 01:04:20,070
Maybe I'll, yeah, I'll just say thanks very much.

744
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:27,570
Again, just picking up on this whole missile missing middle thing, if you look at the three

745
01:04:27,570 --> 01:04:32,570
developers that have been trying to get projects off the ground in Canora in the last couple of

746
01:04:32,570 --> 01:04:37,450
years. In each case they didn't have the data that they needed to support a good conversation

747
01:04:37,450 --> 01:04:42,770
with CMHC. So this is a critical building block going forward and when you look at our

748
01:04:42,770 --> 01:04:48,610
pipeline these are the you know our our our highest opportunity in the next three years

749
01:04:49,030 --> 01:04:52,510
and when you start thinking about the hospital coming online and the construction workers

750
01:04:52,510 --> 01:04:56,730
and all those other things and you see this big blip in terms of the demand curve it's

751
01:04:56,730 --> 01:05:00,090
going to take that long to build these sorts of things. So now we have this foundational

752
01:05:00,090 --> 01:05:09,150
We're now we can start having different conversations with not only developers, but the funding agencies to support projects in a timely fashion.

753
01:05:09,390 --> 01:05:14,610
So this is great, and I want to thank Tim Welsh and his team, Frazier, amazing work and Braden.

754
01:05:14,750 --> 01:05:17,010
So thanks very much for your support through this project.

755
01:05:18,510 --> 01:05:19,050
Happy to.

756
01:05:20,550 --> 01:05:20,710
Thanks.

757
01:05:21,970 --> 01:05:23,130
Thank you very much.

758
01:05:24,110 --> 01:05:30,730
a lot of good information. Just a follow-up comment, not next week, I'm actually in Ottawa

759
01:05:30,730 --> 01:05:36,650
meeting with the Parliamentary Assistant to the Federal Housing and Infrastructure.

760
01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:44,490
And I can see pieces in here that I'm going to use as part of my speaking notes, because

761
01:05:44,490 --> 01:05:50,730
we need to go right to the source now and not, like we can't. We need to move the needle

762
01:05:50,730 --> 01:05:54,650
quicker than we are, and that's the only way we're going to get something happening.

763
01:05:55,310 --> 01:06:01,470
And we've even invited them down into the region, some of the, even if it's staff,

764
01:06:02,290 --> 01:06:10,510
to see, you know, what we're up against, like geographically, you know, rock, water, all

765
01:06:10,510 --> 01:06:14,130
that stuff, they don't always understand that.

766
01:06:14,130 --> 01:06:19,450
But they always come back and say, well, like, what's your housing needs?

767
01:06:20,110 --> 01:06:20,330
Right.

768
01:06:20,530 --> 01:06:21,250
So now we have it.

769
01:06:21,690 --> 01:06:28,470
So hopefully this will go along way next week when we, because we have an hour with

770
01:06:29,770 --> 01:06:33,790
this individual, not the minister himself, he's not available.

771
01:06:33,970 --> 01:06:42,010
But parliamentary assistant and policy staff and staff of his office to talk about this

772
01:06:42,010 --> 01:06:46,470
and move it forward in relation to some of the projects in the community.

773
01:06:47,610 --> 01:06:51,810
No, and I think that that's great and does give you a tool and I just say that

774
01:06:52,430 --> 01:06:56,190
I think we are seeing overall both at the provincial and federal level.

775
01:07:00,770 --> 01:07:06,570
Refeeling of there is going to be growth throughout Northern Ontario in terms of the mining sector

776
01:07:06,570 --> 01:07:11,370
in particular across Northern Ontario and there seems to be recognition of that as a really

777
01:07:11,370 --> 01:07:16,090
important part of Canada and Ontario's growth and just making sure they make the connection

778
01:07:16,090 --> 01:07:20,530
to having the housing for that workforce and the growth that's going to occur in Northern

779
01:07:20,530 --> 01:07:25,830
Ontario. That absolutely trauma Vancouver, etc. The large cities have lots of housing pressures

780
01:07:25,830 --> 01:07:33,670
but to make sure that part of the build Canada homes initiative lines up with all the other resource

781
01:07:33,670 --> 01:07:37,750
sector initiatives that the feds and the province are pushing.

782
01:07:37,750 --> 01:07:38,650
Great.

783
01:07:41,060 --> 01:07:58,400
Thank you. So one last any other follow-up questions? Okay. Well thank you very much then for your time and look forward to using this document to in a positive way to solve some of our housing needs. So thank you.

784
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,080
Thank you. Thank you very much.

785
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,420
Are they ready? Are they in the queue?

786
01:08:10,420 --> 01:08:20,200
So moving on the agenda 5.3, we have another presentation associated engineering capital needs assessment presentation.

787
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,660
Would you like to start, Director Green?

788
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,160
Yeah, thank you, your worship.

789
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,540
So just a quick recap for council.

790
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:40,140
You know, when I first came to the community in early 2023 and started touring the city's infrastructure, definitely identified that the city's water treatment plants and waste water treatment plants.

791
01:08:40,140 --> 01:08:45,500
needed some love. They haven't got any and quite a few years and the time was

792
01:08:45,500 --> 01:08:51,300
coming and so when you look at all of the individual components that make up a

793
01:08:51,300 --> 01:08:54,760
water treatment plant or a wastewater treatment plant there are hundreds and

794
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:59,780
hundreds of assets pieces of equipment piping components electrical systems

795
01:08:59,780 --> 01:09:04,000
that all work together to deliver safe drinking water to the community and to

796
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:08,340
process the sewage coming out of the community and protect like we heard from

797
01:09:08,340 --> 01:09:14,880
earlier the surrounding watershed. And so we partnered with Associated Engineering

798
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:20,260
in 2024 and been working closely with them for the last 18 months to develop a road map

799
01:09:20,260 --> 01:09:27,400
to rehabilitate both of those plants over the next 25 years. And I'd like to introduce

800
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:36,720
Graham Lang, Caroline Korn, and Nico Karanangan to provide the presentation on the assessment that

801
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,600
that they've been working through and the outcome of that,

802
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,700
which is our roadmap over the next 25 years

803
01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:43,440
for infrastructure renewal at the two plants.

804
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:48,120
Thanks, Greg.

805
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:49,640
Can you hear me, everybody?

806
01:09:52,230 --> 01:09:53,650
In the room there, you can hear me.

807
01:09:54,190 --> 01:09:54,670
Yeah.

808
01:09:55,810 --> 01:09:56,610
Okay, great.

809
01:09:56,870 --> 01:09:57,990
And you can see the screen.

810
01:10:00,340 --> 01:10:04,700
Okay, so I'm sort of in awe of you guys sort of taking

811
01:10:04,700 --> 01:10:05,660
in all this information.

812
01:10:05,660 --> 01:10:09,140
So I've got another sort of 30 slide presentation.

813
01:10:09,140 --> 01:10:11,040
I'm gonna sort of run through it quickly.

814
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:22,040
I will it will be very much a whistle stop sort of tour through it. You do have the reports and understand you've most of you have sort of visited the plant so you'll understand some of it.

815
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:25,780
So I will go through very quickly and can kind of come back and cover things.

816
01:10:26,780 --> 01:10:32,780
If you need me to go into more detail in any areas but let me sort of run through this as quickly as possible.

817
01:10:34,260 --> 01:10:37,040
But please do stop me if you do have any questions as I go.

818
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:48,300
This is the presentation outline, I'm not going to dwell on that, but I'll just briefly explain what we did and then give you a findings for both plants and a summary.

819
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:58,840
The two plants, obviously you know the Canora wastewater treatment plant on Miller App, it's road there and Canora water treatment plant on 7th Street in Canora.

820
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:02,360
I'll provide a few further details on those as I go through.

821
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:08,740
So the objectives of the project that we've been working on with Greg and his team was

822
01:11:08,740 --> 01:11:15,160
to understand the state, current state in terms of condition and risk on both plants

823
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:20,240
and to forecast investment needs to sustain both plants over the next 25 years.

824
01:11:20,740 --> 01:11:23,600
That word sustain is important and I'll come back to that.

825
01:11:26,900 --> 01:11:29,640
The scope included developing a detailed asset inventory.

826
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:33,860
the city already had a few of the assets in a system. I know you have a sort of

827
01:11:33,860 --> 01:11:38,560
CMMS computerised maintenance management system that has some of the assets in

828
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:44,040
but we've developed a fully detailed inventory now. Assess, as I said, asset

829
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:49,560
condition performance, criticality and risk, identify immediate needs, the things

830
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:54,000
that need to be fixed in the next year to two or three years, maybe up to five

831
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:59,200
years, that are really repairs, and then look at those end-of-life asset renewals

832
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:03,980
in both the short term, the next five years, and the longer term, over 25 years.

833
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:09,820
And then I'm hoping what we're showing here is demonstrating the impact of that proposed

834
01:12:09,820 --> 01:12:16,200
sustainment investment and the risk related to under-investment in sustaining these two assets.

835
01:12:18,300 --> 01:12:22,760
I'm not expecting you to read that at the distance, but it sort of shows you the level of detail

836
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:27,960
that the inventory, I mean the inventory extends to the right there, but you'll see the sort of

837
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:41,420
condition grading for the assets in the inventory, but it's basically the type of asset, the location, the category, the replacement value for that individual asset when it was in service.

838
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:55,200
How long it's expected to last and provide that functional service, therefore how old it is, and then we've assigned a condition grade that kind of resets that so that it's not an age based thing is based on the condition.

839
01:12:55,200 --> 01:13:01,700
And those assets are broken down just for ease of analysis into engineering disciplines.

840
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:05,460
You can see them there with different types of assets that you would expect.

841
01:13:05,700 --> 01:13:08,660
The civil is the roads, the manholes, the pipes in the ground.

842
01:13:09,300 --> 01:13:15,940
Architecture is the building envelope, structural slabs, tanks, process mechanical, the bits

843
01:13:15,940 --> 01:13:20,820
that typically require most of the maintenance and then lots of building mechanical stuff as

844
01:13:20,820 --> 01:13:27,940
well to keep the building to ventilate and do things like that, heat the buildings and

845
01:13:27,940 --> 01:13:31,980
then the electrical and instrumentation and controls that support all of that.

846
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:39,460
The methodology involved site assessment by a team of multi-disciplinary engineers in

847
01:13:39,460 --> 01:13:45,720
each of those categories going around the two sites, identifying immediate needs, anything

848
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:49,120
that needs to be repaired and also assigning a condition grade.

849
01:13:49,120 --> 01:14:01,620
It's a little more complicated than the snapshot I've got there for you, but it shows you that it's a scale of very good to very poor, and it's a line with remaining service life for any asset.

850
01:14:01,820 --> 01:14:16,320
There might be assets in that there are a hundred years service life like a pipe, a plastic pipe in the ground compared to a PLC computer chip effectively for controlling the plant that might be a five years service life.

851
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:23,920
but this aligns that and allows you to assign condition grading based on age if you can't

852
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:27,960
inspect it. Obviously some of the stuff that's buried you can't see but it gets a condition

853
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:34,400
grade anyway because it's aligned with its expected service life. This sort of shows that a little

854
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:40,700
further and shows you how that investment forecasting looks like so you buy an asset it doesn't last

855
01:14:40,700 --> 01:14:45,560
forever it's 40 years five million dollars it will deteriorate and at some point

856
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:49,740
you've got to buy it again and throughout its life it will deteriorate and this

857
01:14:49,740 --> 01:14:56,780
is that sort of condition grading curve that we're using to assess it risk as

858
01:14:56,780 --> 01:14:59,900
well we've assessed using the city's standard

859
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,660
By five risk matrix that I'm assuming you have seen, it's come from your asset, corporate, asset management plan. Two scales, consequence and criticality, the consequence or criticality, sorry, consequence and livelihood, the consequence, criticality is assessed by, we did a first pass and then through workshops with city staff, including people operating the plants at each plant. We've come up with scores for

860
01:15:29,660 --> 01:15:33,760
or consequence, likelihood is aligned with condition grading.

861
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,420
So that thing I showed you earlier,

862
01:15:36,860 --> 01:15:38,240
obviously through its life,

863
01:15:38,480 --> 01:15:41,840
the likelihood of any asset failing increases,

864
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:45,160
typically, with a steeper curve towards the end.

865
01:15:45,300 --> 01:15:47,640
So that's what's been used to establish likelihood.

866
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:50,480
And what we're really interested in

867
01:15:50,480 --> 01:15:52,540
is identifying those assets that are up here

868
01:15:52,540 --> 01:15:54,280
in the top right corner of the matrix,

869
01:15:54,540 --> 01:15:56,960
the very high or the high assets.

870
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:01,820
these ones down here need to be sort of monitored, but they can generally be ignored.

871
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:07,400
This would be things like, you know, the high left pump for the water treatment plant,

872
01:16:07,620 --> 01:16:13,760
the key treatment processes here might be, you know, the ceiling tiles in the lunch room,

873
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:15,660
one of the plants.

874
01:16:17,890 --> 01:16:19,990
So that's essentially what we did.

875
01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:22,650
I'm just going to take you through the sort of findings now.

876
01:16:22,930 --> 01:16:24,250
I won't dwell on this.

877
01:16:24,250 --> 01:16:30,390
but the wastewater treatment plan as a series of process from screening, removing

878
01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:36,690
grit, the main treatment process aerobic, I'm sorry, aeration system, it's

879
01:16:36,690 --> 01:16:41,350
intermediate pumping, secondary clarification and ultraviolet disinfection of

880
01:16:41,350 --> 01:16:44,950
the end before the air flow and it's discharged and then there's obviously sludge

881
01:16:44,950 --> 01:16:51,290
treatment taking the solid material, digesting that, creating a cake and taking

882
01:16:51,290 --> 01:16:52,790
that for disposal elsewhere.

883
01:16:54,490 --> 01:17:01,230
The valuation of the asset is important because we use condition grading, it's important to

884
01:17:01,230 --> 01:17:05,530
understand the condition grading relation to the value of the assets, not just the number

885
01:17:05,530 --> 01:17:06,150
of the assets.

886
01:17:06,430 --> 01:17:11,710
If you just count the number of assets, that can be very misleading, so the wastewater treatment

887
01:17:11,710 --> 01:17:16,430
plan would value you with a replacement value of nearly $72 million.

888
01:17:16,430 --> 01:17:23,410
dollars condition wise you can see the overall condition grade there on average we're saying it's

889
01:17:23,410 --> 01:17:32,390
3.58 so it's between fair and moving towards poor the very poor is the stuff that's in the last

890
01:17:32,390 --> 01:17:40,890
10% of its life this stuff here though is significant as well so it's not in that greater condition and

891
01:17:40,890 --> 01:17:47,670
does need some investment. This just shows the grading by the engineering disciplines,

892
01:17:47,950 --> 01:17:53,330
not unexpectedly the process mechanical is a large part of it because that's doing most

893
01:17:53,330 --> 01:17:59,170
of the work and the structure which is providing the tankage to perform the treatment and you

894
01:17:59,170 --> 01:18:05,950
can see the sort of relative values of the in each condition grade. I won't dwell on that.

895
01:18:06,710 --> 01:18:10,870
This one I haven't gone into great detail on but the things that have been picked up as

896
01:18:10,870 --> 01:18:16,670
being very high-risk band assets for the water-trimmed plant are the diffusers in the

897
01:18:16,670 --> 01:18:24,250
aeration tank which are rated at $1.35 million and various HVAC systems which are very

898
01:18:24,250 --> 01:18:24,750
important.

899
01:18:25,570 --> 01:18:30,430
Perhaps just pause for a second just while some students are leaving there.

900
01:18:31,230 --> 01:18:31,410
Sorry.

901
01:18:31,630 --> 01:18:32,390
Didn't see that yet.

902
01:18:48,090 --> 01:18:48,290
OK.

903
01:18:48,350 --> 01:18:48,690
We're all set.

904
01:18:49,950 --> 01:18:50,930
Can that carry on?

905
01:18:53,660 --> 01:18:54,460
Am I good to carry on?

906
01:18:54,940 --> 01:18:55,100
Yes.

907
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:55,400
Go ahead.

908
01:18:55,400 --> 01:19:00,280
Yeah, so the things in the high-risk band here are

909
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:04,580
erasure diffusers and then some HVAC equipment which is equally

910
01:19:05,140 --> 01:19:09,980
some of which is high consequence because in a waste water treatment plant

911
01:19:09,980 --> 01:19:13,380
venting those dangerous gases is important.

912
01:19:14,420 --> 01:19:18,120
The good thing is that some of these are already part of ongoing projects

913
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:21,300
that Peregrine's team are moving forward with already.

914
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:27,900
The immediate needs that we identified, these are things that we identified looking at

915
01:19:27,900 --> 01:19:33,400
kind of code compliance condition, performance type issues, some of them are kind of prioritized

916
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:35,920
because they have a health and safety impact.

917
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:41,080
So we've come up with nearly half a million dollars that we feel should be done in the first

918
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:48,880
instance that are effectively repairs that includes things like lifesaving devices on open

919
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:52,080
and tanks that don't have any lifesaving equipment,

920
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:54,980
blower discharge piping that's leaking,

921
01:19:55,460 --> 01:20:02,180
and lack of any means for disinfection

922
01:20:02,180 --> 01:20:04,860
of raw sewage that may bypass the plant

923
01:20:04,860 --> 01:20:06,260
in the high flow conditions.

924
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,960
So there's various immediate needs in there,

925
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:12,780
including a few sort of studies

926
01:20:12,780 --> 01:20:14,520
that need further investigation.

927
01:20:15,620 --> 01:20:16,980
The renewal forecast,

928
01:20:16,980 --> 01:20:23,420
this is a bit of a horrifying number, but over 25 years we've said the forecast, which is

929
01:20:23,420 --> 01:20:30,420
completely unconstrained forecast. So we're not limiting it and it's not budget constrained in

930
01:20:30,420 --> 01:20:36,640
any way. It's just what the modeling shows at end of life, the replacement needs to be. We've

931
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:42,660
removed from the front end any of the ongoing projects as part of our task and we've grouped these

932
01:20:42,660 --> 01:20:49,660
into sort of effectively projects every five years or so to pursue their expenditure profile,

933
01:20:50,020 --> 01:20:54,920
but it does leave you with some very significant expenditure. So removing the existing

934
01:20:54,920 --> 01:21:00,680
ongoing projects has removed a reasonable amount of their expenditure but there are still some

935
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:06,640
very significant expenditure in that short term and certainly in that sort of 10-year window.

936
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:19,040
Combining that together, so $426,000 there, $7.7 million, in addition to what is already

937
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:26,600
being spent on plant in current projects, and then in the longer term, 52 million in

938
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:31,500
the sort of beyond the five-year period, so some very significant numbers.

939
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:39,360
Things in the next period that need to be replaced, as I said, the AirAsian tank diffusers.

940
01:21:39,460 --> 01:21:46,060
That's already ongoing work. There's some electrical work, HVAC systems that work in 2032

941
01:21:46,060 --> 01:21:51,900
that we've got there includes work to the screw pumps, the AirAsian system and UV modules.

942
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:59,100
Looking at this sort of impact of spending, they are not spending, they do nothing.

943
01:21:59,100 --> 01:22:04,560
scenario shows that that condition profile of the shoulder, the beginning, obviously turns

944
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:12,700
poor if we do not invest in sustaining this asset through its life. The proposed investment

945
01:22:12,700 --> 01:22:17,100
controls that. It doesn't all go green because you're not replacing everything at the same

946
01:22:17,100 --> 01:22:22,400
time. You're doing it as it comes up, but it effectively stabilizes the condition grade.

947
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:32,040
That is also reflected in the risk. This is a risk profile valued notionally in dollars,

948
01:22:32,220 --> 01:22:39,080
but it's any score, the key thing here is there really that if you do nothing, the risk increases

949
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:45,620
by about three to four times what it would if you spend the money and sustain and maintain that level

950
01:22:45,620 --> 01:22:52,220
of current risk. So that's the wastewater treatment plant. The picture of the water treatment plant

951
01:22:52,220 --> 01:22:58,660
is very similar. Again, won't go through all this in detail, but you lift water out the lake,

952
01:22:58,900 --> 01:23:04,680
goes through clarifiers, filtration systems, disinfection, and then the high lift pumping

953
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:12,400
pumps it into the distribution system. And there's various other sort of supporting systems there.

954
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:18,980
Valuation, we've said the water treatment plan is $57 million. Again, mostly sort of structural and

955
01:23:18,980 --> 01:23:24,900
process mechanical, but building systems and other things, fairly significant, sorry,

956
01:23:25,140 --> 01:23:31,620
looking on. In condition grade, we raised, said it's not quite as bad overall, the amount

957
01:23:31,620 --> 01:23:37,460
that is in very poor condition is more, but the overall condition of stuff in very poor

958
01:23:37,460 --> 01:23:43,520
and poor isn't quite as bad as the wastewater plant. And we've got an average condition

959
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:49,600
grade that I think we can say is still fair. That's the breakdown across the

960
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:55,340
equipment. And that, things in the higher-risk area here, there's rather more

961
01:23:55,340 --> 01:23:59,860
value, 6.3 million dollars, but the good news is some of that's already

962
01:23:59,860 --> 01:24:04,120
projects committed with the high-level pumps and work that's going on with the

963
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:09,200
low-lift pumps and some tankage there and some work to the filters. So there's

964
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:12,420
There's a reasonable amount of work already going there and already committed.

965
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:20,000
The picture on immediate needs is very similar, $400,000 over the next five years to repair

966
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:20,560
things.

967
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:25,300
Look at some studies to investigate things further.

968
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:28,960
It's noted that there's no one of the key items there.

969
01:24:29,100 --> 01:24:36,140
There's no chlorine gas, probably used chlorine gas to provide the residual chlorine into

970
01:24:36,140 --> 01:24:42,200
the water supply and that's a very dangerous chemical and there's no scrubber there that leaves

971
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:48,260
a significant risk to employees and potentially the public. So that's something we think needs

972
01:24:48,260 --> 01:24:54,500
to be investigated and there's some various other structural repairs and work to the fences and

973
01:24:54,500 --> 01:24:57,500
the security of the site which we believe is very important.

974
01:24:59,820 --> 01:25:03,060
The long term forecast, 65.2 million

975
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:09,380
unconstrained. We've removed again the projects that are already ongoing and I've mentioned

976
01:25:09,380 --> 01:25:14,500
the low lift pump station, the high lift pumps, some electrical work, the sodium hydroxide,

977
01:25:14,500 --> 01:25:19,800
tank repairs and various other things that are ongoing at the moment reduces that overall

978
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:26,380
burden. Again, grouped using the risk scores so the grouping here kind of looks at the risk

979
01:25:26,380 --> 01:25:32,920
schools and all things forward that are to create projects that are higher risk higher consequence

980
01:25:34,420 --> 01:25:42,960
assets and wishes back things that are less consequential. So the summary there is that

981
01:25:44,740 --> 01:25:51,600
it's very similar really to the wastewater plant before $100,000 short term needs another $7.6

982
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:59,540
million dollars in renewal of assets, and then in the longer term, $46.5 million in the

983
01:25:59,540 --> 01:26:08,580
sort of beyond the five-year horizon for 25 years. Sorry, with a total investment of $46.9 million,

984
01:26:08,700 --> 01:26:17,020
which is an average of $1.9 million a year. Things that are being done, so the 2028 investment

985
01:26:17,020 --> 01:26:19,960
and includes sand and anthracite replacement

986
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:22,440
in the filters, the filter under drains,

987
01:26:24,300 --> 01:26:25,480
backwash troughs,

988
01:26:26,100 --> 01:26:29,260
so some fairly critical equipment there.

989
01:26:29,500 --> 01:26:33,080
And then in 2034 project that we've got there,

990
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:35,900
the backwash pumps, super nighten pumps,

991
01:26:36,060 --> 01:26:38,120
air scale blowers, various things

992
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:39,820
and some building work as well.

993
01:26:41,100 --> 01:26:42,800
Effectively the same picture there,

994
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:45,160
do nothing, the plant deteriorates,

995
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:49,200
It's not quite as significantly as seriously because it's in a slightly better condition

996
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:55,720
overall, start with the proposed investment stabilises that and does the same thing on

997
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:56,160
risk.

998
01:26:56,280 --> 01:27:03,300
The risk is stabilized rather than I think it goes up nearly four times if you don't put

999
01:27:03,300 --> 01:27:07,080
some investment into sustainment of these assets.

1000
01:27:08,500 --> 01:27:15,140
So in summary, we recognise that that's a significant value across both plants, 100 million

1001
01:27:15,140 --> 01:27:23,380
dollars over 25 years is you know four million dollars a year and the key thing that we want to

1002
01:27:23,380 --> 01:27:30,940
point out is that that sustainment investment. So these investments are based on visual inspection

1003
01:27:30,940 --> 01:27:40,840
only not any specific testing but generally it was done by engineers who understand and do that

1004
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:46,420
routinely. The focus is on sustaining the asset to maintain its current function. It's not

1005
01:27:46,420 --> 01:27:53,620
including upgrades. It doesn't include anything to meet tighter treatment standards that either

1006
01:27:53,620 --> 01:28:01,220
plan or to provide additional counsel driven type things like greenhouse gas reductions or anything

1007
01:28:01,220 --> 01:28:07,740
like that. It's just to sustain the current performance and current condition of the asset to keep

1008
01:28:07,740 --> 01:28:13,520
keep it doing what it does today. Conversely, though, those forecasts, as I say, are unconstrained.

1009
01:28:13,620 --> 01:28:17,840
All assets are being replaced in that. So when I showed you that risk thing and said,

1010
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:22,980
up the top is the high lift pumps. Down the bottom is the ceiling tiles in the lunchroom.

1011
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:28,980
Everything's getting replaced in those forecasts. So there are scenarios between the do nothing

1012
01:28:28,980 --> 01:28:34,680
and the unconstrained forecast that we've presented, you know, clearly we're not expecting

1013
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:39,500
all that budget necessarily to be available and that's the sort of challenge going forward is to

1014
01:28:39,500 --> 01:28:43,980
find that level of investment that maybe the ceiling tiles can be stretched another

1015
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:50,760
another 10 20 years without being replaced and so there are options in between another thing

1016
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:55,960
just to point out is the potential climate change impacts have not explicitly been considered here

1017
01:28:55,960 --> 01:29:01,420
to some extent renewing things will address some of that because they will be replaced with

1018
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:16,880
come a modern day equivalent that will be better placed to sort of address some of those things, but we haven't made any specific investments here to address any climate vulnerabilities and that's something we would certainly advocate you consider moving forward.

1019
01:29:19,090 --> 01:29:27,150
So that's essentially the presentation that I hope summarises the two reports that we've submitted I think are about 45 page reports each.

1020
01:29:28,430 --> 01:29:31,690
with attached dependencies, so there's a lot of information there.

1021
01:29:32,210 --> 01:29:33,510
So thank you for listening.

1022
01:29:33,930 --> 01:29:35,130
I hope that was useful.

1023
01:29:36,230 --> 01:29:37,290
Thank you very much.

1024
01:29:37,950 --> 01:29:39,830
Do you mind taking questions off?

1025
01:29:40,030 --> 01:29:40,350
Are there any?

1026
01:29:40,730 --> 01:29:42,550
I'm very happy to tell you questions here.

1027
01:29:42,990 --> 01:29:44,130
Is there any questions of council?

1028
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:48,640
Councilor Randall, you have that.

1029
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:51,980
You know, this was in part of the scope of this survey.

1030
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:54,240
So maybe I'll direct the question more towards staff,

1031
01:29:54,420 --> 01:29:59,060
but given that this just sort of is the replacement value

1032
01:29:59,060 --> 01:29:59,880
of the

1033
01:30:01,340 --> 01:30:08,760
And I seem to remember when we did our tour, the phrase third world country being associated

1034
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:17,340
to our wastewater treatment plant. Do we have an idea of what it would take to bring

1035
01:30:17,340 --> 01:30:21,680
that into a second world country level?

1036
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:27,100
This, I appreciate all the work you do. This area

1037
01:30:27,100 --> 01:30:35,140
freaks me out every time we talk about it yeah I mean sure that that phrase was thrown

1038
01:30:35,140 --> 01:30:42,220
around a little bit when we were walking through and touring the plants you know there are

1039
01:30:42,220 --> 01:30:48,800
sections and areas of the plant that aren't as bad as others and so I think what we've received

1040
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:55,960
from associated engineering is a detailed breakdown of what areas to focus on and in what order

1041
01:30:55,960 --> 01:31:03,820
to focus on those. So, you know, over the next 25 years, we are really bringing the plants

1042
01:31:03,820 --> 01:31:10,980
from the 19th century into the 20th century kind of thing. So that helps. And then we also have

1043
01:31:10,980 --> 01:31:19,300
on the side some general facility improvements and layout improvements that are already in the

1044
01:31:19,300 --> 01:31:25,660
budget and being worked on to help create a better environment for the staff who are going

1045
01:31:25,660 --> 01:31:28,220
into both plans on a daily basis.

1046
01:31:28,940 --> 01:31:34,240
And so I think, you know, combining that work and some of this work will help kind of

1047
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:38,780
bring us out and into, yeah, a second or a first world country status.

1048
01:31:39,540 --> 01:31:43,040
It's going to take time, it's going to take money, we will get there.

1049
01:31:43,980 --> 01:31:49,220
And yeah, you know, it is a little bit freaky because it's kind of just, it's, these

1050
01:31:49,220 --> 01:31:52,960
These plants are operating in the background, you know, nobody in the community experiences

1051
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:57,040
these plants on a daily basis except for really the staff and our department who are in there.

1052
01:31:58,440 --> 01:32:03,540
And so it's something that needs to be dealt with, but it's almost like it's like the invisible

1053
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:07,940
item that you're just kind of talking about at a higher level and not really getting to put

1054
01:32:07,940 --> 01:32:08,600
your hands on.

1055
01:32:08,820 --> 01:32:15,600
So it's a little abstract in that respect, which does make it a little freakier for anyone

1056
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:16,640
who's not directly involved.

1057
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:25,280
Okay. Can I pass the chair? Thanks. Thanks for all the information. I understand it's

1058
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:32,420
like a condition assessment report and upon inspection maybe things are, maybe a little

1059
01:32:32,420 --> 01:32:39,520
worse, are a little better than useful life and all that stuff. But I get back to this thing

1060
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:46,620
about, I look at the scales and I look at, especially on the water treatment process,

1061
01:32:46,620 --> 01:32:58,400
the section very poor and yet in 25, 26, and 27 you know we're I don't know what

1062
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:08,160
what it was here now was it 402,000 we're spending you know like is are those

1063
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:13,860
things is that enough to spend because without that in the wastewater like we

1064
01:33:13,860 --> 01:33:18,680
We keep spending all our money on replacing pipes, and that's great.

1065
01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:26,820
But if these two assets aren't working, nice pipes in the ground mean nothing to anybody

1066
01:33:26,820 --> 01:33:30,520
in the community, and we don't have water or proper water and such.

1067
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:37,540
And I just, I know with this report now won't be all, we'll spend 50,000 here and 50,000

1068
01:33:37,540 --> 01:33:42,280
this year, which has been going on for 20 years, and this is the result.

1069
01:33:43,020 --> 01:33:50,040
There's been no attempt to upgrade anything except until there was a problem where a disaster.

1070
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:59,580
But is this enough and that should we be focusing more in on these two assets and maybe we

1071
01:33:59,580 --> 01:34:05,360
need to forego some of the other stuff because we're spending millions on a block to change

1072
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:05,720
pipe.

1073
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:44,840
to the rest of the current and critical needs that we do not have because of that.

1074
01:34:44,980 --> 01:34:51,280
But I think looking at all the rest of the charts and not that doesn't, you know,

1075
01:34:51,420 --> 01:34:55,260
there's something that I don't think that doesn't give you a warmest budget field.

1076
01:34:56,420 --> 01:35:02,240
That's 22 percent of the water treatment plan is very poor.

1077
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:16,020
And we're spending in my company, so we need to be able to know to address some of these

1078
01:35:16,020 --> 01:35:16,120
things.

1079
01:35:16,440 --> 01:35:22,720
So like that, I'm hoping I get straight after here because if we're not given, we're giving

1080
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:29,160
the information here, but we need some direction going forward in budgeting, and I'm just wondering

1081
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:30,620
if we're missing the mark on that.

1082
01:35:30,620 --> 01:35:43,160
Yeah, thanks. Thanks your worship. Um, you're absolutely right. Um, the issues that occur with piping in town are more isolated incidents that might impact a small number of community members.

1083
01:35:43,820 --> 01:35:50,300
Um, but if we do have a failure at the city's water treatment plan or the wastewater treatment plan, that impacts the whole community.

1084
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:56,340
What you've seen in the presentation today, and I'll invite associated to add comments

1085
01:35:56,340 --> 01:36:04,600
on to my response, is some immediate needs, but that we've actually built into what council

1086
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:08,300
will see in the upcoming budget, major upgrades that are in the millions.

1087
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:14,770
So what I will be proposing to council later this month, or an early December in the

1088
01:36:14,770 --> 01:36:21,410
2026 budget is to get into design and then construction of almost $20 million of rehabilitation

1089
01:36:21,410 --> 01:36:26,670
work based on the priorities identified in these two studies over the next three to four

1090
01:36:26,670 --> 01:36:26,970
years.

1091
01:36:27,570 --> 01:36:33,530
And then when we get into the early to mid 2030s, we'll be looking at closer to about a

1092
01:36:33,530 --> 01:36:36,270
$60 million investment in the two plants.

1093
01:36:36,450 --> 01:36:41,110
And so we're absolutely going to be in the millions and we're absolutely going to be upgrading

1094
01:36:41,110 --> 01:36:48,610
major pieces of both plants to get ourselves kind of out of this immediate kind of critical

1095
01:36:48,610 --> 01:36:53,210
risk state. But associated, I don't know if you want to add any comments on to that.

1096
01:36:54,770 --> 01:37:00,570
I would just, sorry, I'm mute. No, I'm still. Yeah, I would just point out, you know, there's

1097
01:37:00,570 --> 01:37:08,390
$12.8 million of very poor here, which is in the last 10% of its life. And that is covered.

1098
01:37:08,390 --> 01:37:14,090
but this is the immediate needs, which is sort of repair work, but that very poor asset

1099
01:37:14,090 --> 01:37:23,190
is in the forecast here. And, you know, we're retaining $7 million here, and I think the

1100
01:37:23,190 --> 01:37:30,710
existing projects are the other $5 million. So in this summary here, we are spending

1101
01:37:30,710 --> 01:37:39,590
this $400,000 on repairs, studies, et cetera. Another $7.6 million here, what I didn't show here

1102
01:37:39,590 --> 01:37:44,390
and probably should have added to the slide is that there's $5 million already permitted

1103
01:37:44,390 --> 01:37:50,190
in current projects as being spent. And then as Greg said, another very significant project

1104
01:37:50,190 --> 01:37:56,030
coming up in the next five-year period. After this five-year period of I can't see that number

1105
01:37:56,030 --> 01:37:59,290
on my screen here, another $22 million.

1106
01:37:59,990 --> 01:38:04,290
So yeah, no, absolutely, this don't get hung up on this.

1107
01:38:04,410 --> 01:38:07,130
This is smaller repair type things.

1108
01:38:07,610 --> 01:38:12,810
This is the big expenditure on making sure things are replaced.

1109
01:38:13,310 --> 01:38:16,130
In an ideal world, you replace it the day before it fails.

1110
01:38:16,530 --> 01:38:19,430
But that's what we're seeking to do.

1111
01:38:20,430 --> 01:38:22,550
Avoid any failures of the water stream plan

1112
01:38:22,550 --> 01:38:23,830
and the ways that you drink up.

1113
01:38:24,990 --> 01:38:25,850
Back to you, Greg.

1114
01:38:28,140 --> 01:38:28,740
Thanks, Greg.

1115
01:38:29,420 --> 01:38:30,060
Councilor Brink.

1116
01:38:31,500 --> 01:38:34,100
I mean, I'm thanks for the presentation

1117
01:38:34,100 --> 01:38:36,660
and thanks for your input, Greg.

1118
01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:39,780
I'm totally comfortable with this assessment

1119
01:38:39,780 --> 01:38:42,720
and you know what we need to be doing.

1120
01:38:54,690 --> 01:38:56,630
I'm just surprised that you got to put money in this.

1121
01:38:57,750 --> 01:38:59,750
And I'm not even second best.

1122
01:39:00,790 --> 01:39:04,750
You're, you're, you're, you're forecast

1123
01:39:04,750 --> 01:39:09,250
I asked for a word that we want to ask for this report.

1124
01:39:09,470 --> 01:39:17,890
I feel like there is a systematic way that is going to be done again.

1125
01:39:18,230 --> 01:39:22,190
You might just report it, but there's much more to go with that.

1126
01:39:22,330 --> 01:39:23,490
That's not been shared with the report.

1127
01:39:24,350 --> 01:39:31,030
You did the walk through and then you can understand that you have a surface to understand.

1128
01:39:42,950 --> 01:39:50,090
So I'm comfortable with the level of risk, life involves risk and we have to manage

1129
01:39:50,090 --> 01:40:01,010
risk, so again I think this is very strategic, we're addressing it straight on and

1130
01:40:01,010 --> 01:40:03,630
and I'm comfortable with the plan moving forward.

1131
01:40:04,230 --> 01:40:05,210
So I'm gonna say that, thanks.

1132
01:40:13,180 --> 01:40:14,780
Okay, any other questions?

1133
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:19,780
Okay, thank you very much for your presentation.

1134
01:40:20,580 --> 01:40:24,340
We have this information now that whether we want it

1135
01:40:24,340 --> 01:40:26,580
to see it or not, we have it now

1136
01:40:26,580 --> 01:40:29,060
and it's a good planning tool going forward.

1137
01:40:29,300 --> 01:40:29,720
So thank you.

1138
01:40:31,890 --> 01:40:33,230
Do you have any last comments?

1139
01:40:33,930 --> 01:40:35,870
No, no, just wanna thank Associate

1140
01:40:35,870 --> 01:40:37,690
and so much for the hard work.

1141
01:40:37,690 --> 01:40:49,930
It's been 16, 18 month grind here to get us to this point and really happy with the the output and we we truly do have a road map to take us through the next 25 years and to keep keep both plants running. So

1142
01:40:50,850 --> 01:40:53,670
Just got a you know, we've got the plan now, so we've got to work plan.

1143
01:40:58,130 --> 01:41:04,110
Okay, thank you. So I'm wondering if we could just take a five minute break.

1144
01:41:04,110 --> 01:41:10,770
a little after 10-13, you know, just five minutes and then we will get back to the communication

1145
01:41:10,770 --> 01:41:17,610
piece and then I know director brain you have some time constraints here and then you

1146
01:41:17,610 --> 01:41:23,250
will be first under operations and in here, okay. Okay, so.

1147
01:51:54,190 --> 01:51:56,470
Thank you, everybody. Welcome back.

1148
01:51:58,850 --> 01:52:26,190
So we're going to move along on item number five, deputation, presentation. So we have my orally our communication. I don't want to get your title wrong in that. So you're senior communication specialist or advisor. She's going to talk about the canora.ca redesign. So it's all yours. Well, thank you, your worship and council for having me.

1149
01:52:26,190 --> 01:52:36,250
today. So I'm going to jump in. I'm presenting today as more of a tour of the website and we'll

1150
01:52:36,250 --> 01:52:40,490
go first. I want to jump into some thank yous actually before I get into the tour because this

1151
01:52:40,490 --> 01:52:49,110
was a large collaborative effort with all the departments. So I would like to first start off a big

1152
01:52:49,110 --> 01:52:59,390
thank you to Kerry Holder, our communications officer. She was a, I can't say enough about

1153
01:52:59,390 --> 01:53:06,430
her in regards to this website, without her support, especially expertise on accessibility

1154
01:53:06,430 --> 01:53:14,790
standards. This website would not be made possible. This website involved recreating and migrating

1155
01:53:14,790 --> 01:53:21,810
content over an updating content for over 300 pages. So it was a large undertaking for

1156
01:53:21,810 --> 01:53:25,190
the communications department and then other departments as well that were involved.

1157
01:53:25,930 --> 01:53:31,510
So we had a very busy summer. So I want to extend a big thank you to Kerry for coordinating

1158
01:53:31,510 --> 01:53:36,330
with various different departments, gathering information and again balancing that accessibility

1159
01:53:36,330 --> 01:53:43,110
standards that we have to adhere to as well as balancing that with multiple people's wishless

1160
01:53:43,110 --> 01:53:46,470
items that they wanted to see integrated onto the website.

1161
01:53:47,790 --> 01:53:51,670
I also want to extend a big thank you to Crystal and the library team.

1162
01:53:52,210 --> 01:53:56,350
Their review of all their existing library pages on their microsite and then migrating

1163
01:53:56,350 --> 01:54:01,690
that over to the new library pages within this site as well as learning a new back end

1164
01:54:01,690 --> 01:54:08,250
system was a big task as well during the summer plus with their regular day-to-day activities.

1165
01:54:08,990 --> 01:54:10,750
So again, big thank you to them.

1166
01:54:10,750 --> 01:54:17,530
I also want to thank Megan and Allison from the Economic Development Department for coordinating

1167
01:54:17,530 --> 01:54:23,470
with Carrie for the Economic Development Pages specifically and we were able to create

1168
01:54:23,470 --> 01:54:29,810
pages that had both the City of Kenora branding as well as the Economic Development Tourism

1169
01:54:29,810 --> 01:54:36,110
branding and big appreciation to all the department leads and managers who reviewed and provided

1170
01:54:36,110 --> 01:54:42,910
provided updates to their web pages or without having the up to date information from each department

1171
01:54:42,910 --> 01:54:49,610
our website wouldn't be the way that it looks today. And then last but certainly not least,

1172
01:54:49,730 --> 01:54:55,690
but it is the last stage before launching the website is IT. A big thank you to our IT manager,

1173
01:54:55,810 --> 01:55:02,810
Mark and the team over at MNP for ensuring a successful DNS configuration. I often compare websites

1174
01:55:02,810 --> 01:55:22,370
to building and doing interior design in the house so the communications department can make it look good and pick out the colors and the branding and make sure everything looks cohesive and matches and navigates well but without a good foundation and without the IT infrastructure.

1175
01:55:23,070 --> 01:55:28,570
We wouldn't have people directed to the site that you see here today without that IT help in the background.

1176
01:55:30,650 --> 01:55:36,530
Okay, so I'd like to, again, just before jumping into scrolling and taking you through the

1177
01:55:36,530 --> 01:55:42,970
fun side of the tour. Some stuff that you don't see on the back end of this website, necessarily

1178
01:55:42,970 --> 01:55:50,410
unless you have reader assist apps or go through a deep dive of the website. I really want

1179
01:55:50,410 --> 01:55:55,590
to hone in on a big accessibility component of this updated site. So similar to our previous

1180
01:55:55,590 --> 01:56:03,210
site. We follow accessibility for Ontarians with Disabilities Act, AODA guidelines. This

1181
01:56:03,210 --> 01:56:08,490
new site has been upgraded to the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines, otherwise known

1182
01:56:08,490 --> 01:56:18,150
as WCAG, at a 2.0 level, so it's a level AA. What you see is a sleep-looking website, but

1183
01:56:18,150 --> 01:56:23,190
what's behind the scenes is hours put in accessibility integrations into the back panel.

1184
01:56:23,190 --> 01:56:37,470
Just to touch the tip of the iceberg with what this means is that content is all the content is written at a low grade reading level for easy to understand knowledge except for terminology is absolutely necessary in specific departments.

1185
01:56:38,450 --> 01:56:50,790
Navigation on the website we tried to keep it to two levels minimum so instead of endless scrolls you might have to get redirected to another page where there's condensed information.

1186
01:56:50,790 --> 01:56:54,630
but you're not having to click like five different times to get to something.

1187
01:56:55,270 --> 01:57:00,850
So where we designed the website, we tried to keep it to two possible clicks

1188
01:57:00,850 --> 01:57:02,530
to get to where you need to if possible.

1189
01:57:03,870 --> 01:57:07,410
Alternate text, or alt text, you can me say a few times later,

1190
01:57:07,890 --> 01:57:11,710
is on every single photo in this website.

1191
01:57:11,870 --> 01:57:14,870
So what that means is if somebody is using a reader assist app,

1192
01:57:15,110 --> 01:57:17,310
it will give a description of what the photo is.

1193
01:57:19,030 --> 01:57:22,250
Heading styles and content formatting are also applied throughout.

1194
01:57:22,990 --> 01:57:28,050
So, very, very simple terms, what you see on word when you're putting in like headings

1195
01:57:28,050 --> 01:57:33,570
and titles and quotes and things like that, it's not just a matter of going in and bold

1196
01:57:33,570 --> 01:57:34,330
facing things.

1197
01:57:34,450 --> 01:57:39,490
Like there's actual accessibility standards where we have to format that stuff very specifically

1198
01:57:39,490 --> 01:57:40,590
and it's coded that way.

1199
01:57:41,430 --> 01:57:47,510
Tables are formatted, there's captions, there's also the use of forms and fillable forms

1200
01:57:47,510 --> 01:57:52,970
online here throughout where we're trying to minimize the use of PDF forms as much

1201
01:57:52,970 --> 01:57:55,490
as possible to make it easier to use.

1202
01:57:56,190 --> 01:58:00,650
And then you'll see on various pages as well that we include a statement about contacting

1203
01:58:00,650 --> 01:58:06,290
the clerk for alternative form documents if you need an accessible format of a document.

1204
01:58:07,510 --> 01:58:12,750
So, that again just touches the iceberg of the accessibility components, but I'll jump

1205
01:58:12,750 --> 01:58:16,390
right into the fun part of the tour here, and I'll take you through the home page and

1206
01:58:16,390 --> 01:58:17,250
some key features.

1207
01:58:18,450 --> 01:58:25,210
So, to start off, you can see we have a pop-up and an alert banner, so the pop-up is what

1208
01:58:25,210 --> 01:58:29,630
you see here as a sample, what's currently on our site for the Q8 and Channel Bridge.

1209
01:58:30,190 --> 01:58:35,510
So when people first visit the website, they will be served pop-ups, depending on what

1210
01:58:35,510 --> 01:58:41,430
information is crucial for us to get out there. When the site first launched we

1211
01:58:41,430 --> 01:58:48,530
also had the website feedback form on there. I believe that there is this. There we

1212
01:58:48,530 --> 01:58:52,670
go. So we still have that pop-up as well. This website feedback form is also

1213
01:58:52,670 --> 01:58:55,270
available in the footer and I'll show you that shortly.

1214
01:58:57,730 --> 01:58:58,910
So when you go to the

1215
01:58:58,910 --> 01:59:03,870
website you'll get served a pop-up. If you've gone to the website multiple times

1216
01:59:03,870 --> 01:59:07,590
in the same day, you're not going to keep getting that same pop-up. So cookies are tracked

1217
01:59:07,590 --> 01:59:12,070
for that. But if there's a new pop-up that arrives or new messages, then a new pop-up

1218
01:59:12,070 --> 01:59:20,570
will show up. In addition to the pop-up, you'll also have, there's a leg on the presentation,

1219
01:59:20,910 --> 01:59:27,090
sorry. You'll also see new to the website is this top banner that's green right now. We

1220
01:59:27,090 --> 01:59:32,170
have different colors for different alerts. But if we want to have an alert that's up there

1221
01:59:32,170 --> 01:59:37,350
that stays up there while the user is on the website on whichever page there's

1222
01:59:37,350 --> 01:59:41,710
that information along the top so right now we have information about e-billing

1223
01:59:41,710 --> 01:59:50,310
and male male delays you can also close out the if it's distracting for the

1224
01:59:50,310 --> 01:59:55,110
user you could also close out of it and then I also want to draw attention to

1225
01:59:55,830 --> 01:59:59,750
something that is new, that carried it up, is this leak I want to button?

1226
02:00:00,400 --> 02:00:04,220
Which I got really nerdy and excited about when she put on the site.

1227
02:00:07,040 --> 02:00:07,700
These are organized

1228
02:00:07,700 --> 02:00:11,940
into, these are the, some of the most common pieces that people have clicked on in regards to

1229
02:00:11,940 --> 02:00:16,740
the website. And then one organizing it into three different categories. It was a feat

1230
02:00:16,740 --> 02:00:22,960
in itself. But having this very, very quickly accessible, always in the top right corner for

1231
02:00:22,960 --> 02:00:28,680
people who are looking for these specific things, very, very quick, again, trying to limit how

1232
02:00:28,680 --> 02:00:33,840
many times how long it takes for people to click through things. We've all had a bad

1233
02:00:33,840 --> 02:00:38,580
user experience on websites where if it takes too long to get to, let's say, a shopping

1234
02:00:38,580 --> 02:00:42,560
cart, we kind of abandon the website and we're like, hey, we're done. We don't want that

1235
02:00:42,560 --> 02:00:48,980
experience on the city of Canora's website. So this I want to is a very sleep way to get

1236
02:00:48,980 --> 02:00:54,220
to your, the most popular information. If it's not in there as well, there's still the search

1237
02:00:54,220 --> 02:01:00,620
bar at the bottom. And then we also have the search bar on the home screen, which is very

1238
02:01:00,620 --> 02:01:06,180
identifiably canora. And then we also have the search bar up here in the top corner.

1239
02:01:06,620 --> 02:01:12,080
This is always present wherever, whatever page anybody is on. Okay.

1240
02:01:15,010 --> 02:01:16,350
See here, we also

1241
02:01:16,350 --> 02:01:24,210
I want to draw some attention to the contact us. We had this on the previous site. But this

1242
02:01:24,210 --> 02:01:26,310
This is also available on any page that you're on.

1243
02:01:26,450 --> 02:01:30,730
You're going to see this top banner with our logo, the living here visit, play, build

1244
02:01:30,730 --> 02:01:34,170
and invest tabs, the contact us, the search bar, and the I want to.

1245
02:01:34,370 --> 02:01:39,070
So it's nice and convenient so that if someone is in the middle of reading something, they

1246
02:01:39,070 --> 02:01:40,250
can always access that information.

1247
02:01:40,890 --> 02:01:43,010
So this contact us page has been updated.

1248
02:01:43,650 --> 02:01:46,350
It's a little bit more streamlined and easier to scroll through.

1249
02:01:46,570 --> 02:01:47,970
It's divided up by departments.

1250
02:01:48,490 --> 02:01:57,070
and then you can also expand each piece out to get more information. So you have the phone number on the right-hand side as you see.

1251
02:01:57,790 --> 02:02:04,610
If we wanted to get more information, let's say for customer service, you could click it open and

1252
02:02:06,720 --> 02:02:16,860
then every department or contacting here also has a prompt to send an email to them that they will open up a box where you can start typing out an email specifically.

1253
02:02:17,560 --> 02:02:23,580
We haven't set up this way to also limit phishing attempts, whereas other sites, it's best

1254
02:02:23,580 --> 02:02:28,360
practice now not to list out websites explicitly, or so that websites e-mails explicitly.

1255
02:02:28,960 --> 02:02:36,960
So if you click this, it will go to the user's specific e-mail software.

1256
02:02:37,240 --> 02:02:41,340
So for us, it might be Outlook or Gmail depending on what you're using if you're using that at

1257
02:02:41,340 --> 02:02:41,560
home.

1258
02:02:41,560 --> 02:02:45,300
Let's go back over to the homepage.

1259
02:02:48,160 --> 02:02:49,240
Let's see here.

1260
02:02:49,780 --> 02:02:54,820
We also now have these sleek icons right along the top,

1261
02:02:54,980 --> 02:02:57,060
which again are also very popular pieces.

1262
02:02:57,940 --> 02:03:01,300
Picking which ones, which six to include were difficult.

1263
02:03:01,900 --> 02:03:06,120
But going through requests from our past website,

1264
02:03:06,540 --> 02:03:08,920
we are able to set up a really sleek looking homepage

1265
02:03:08,920 --> 02:03:12,480
with streamlined most common pieces that were clicked

1266
02:03:12,480 --> 02:03:20,880
And then as well as a, we're calling this internally, the strategy section, strategies and plans.

1267
02:03:23,460 --> 02:03:29,100
So I also want to note that these aren't necessarily all the strategies and plans.

1268
02:03:29,120 --> 02:03:32,320
If you click open one, let's say the sustainability action plan.

1269
02:03:32,720 --> 02:03:38,340
You can also see on these right-hand menus, I'll be calling them pods throughout the presentation.

1270
02:03:38,340 --> 02:03:45,100
If you click in here, you can also see other strategic plans and reports and whatnot to

1271
02:03:49,810 --> 02:03:50,490
the home page.

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02:03:52,990 --> 02:03:57,210
Okay. This is a new feature on the website that we didn't have before.

1273
02:03:58,210 --> 02:04:07,750
Occasionally, we'll get requests too that we need something that's prominent on the home page for people with new projects, new initiatives, updates on specific things.

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02:04:07,750 --> 02:04:12,670
So now we have this in real time, we can update this and then redirect for more information.

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02:04:12,930 --> 02:04:19,870
So it has a very high engaging image, short call to action, with a very clear button that

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02:04:19,870 --> 02:04:22,850
then redirect you to the pages that this corresponds to.

1277
02:04:24,370 --> 02:04:30,170
We've also moved the land acknowledgement from a pop-up on the old site directly on the

1278
02:04:30,170 --> 02:04:34,890
homepage, and then it also links over to our new Indigenous Relations page.

1279
02:04:34,890 --> 02:04:42,820
my favorite section is got to be this what's happening section we had this on

1280
02:04:42,820 --> 02:04:48,340
the old website but we've modified this and cleaned it up a little bit so this

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02:04:48,340 --> 02:04:54,940
is a big hub on the on the homepage particularly and anybody that's in the

1282
02:04:54,940 --> 02:04:59,280
public that's wanting to find out what's happening in regards to real-time news

1283
02:04:59,280 --> 02:05:03,060
this would be the main spot that I would recommend that everybody checks out

1284
02:05:03,060 --> 02:05:11,120
regularly. So the news updates in real time and if you want to see more, you can click this all

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02:05:11,120 --> 02:05:14,480
news and see it's organized from the most recently published.

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02:05:16,610 --> 02:05:17,990
All right. See we already have

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02:05:17,990 --> 02:05:23,910
the Canora Housing Needs Assessment posted up. Events. We also have a community events calendar,

1288
02:05:23,910 --> 02:05:30,070
so we'll feature some of the days upcoming events or the following days upcoming events here.

1289
02:05:30,070 --> 02:05:33,910
And then we have, actually, I'm going to go into this quickly.

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02:05:36,340 --> 02:05:41,320
So this featured events calendar is a community calendar that anybody can go on if you are

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02:05:41,320 --> 02:05:46,840
an external organization, an event planner, you don't have to be working within the city

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02:05:46,840 --> 02:05:47,400
of Canora.

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02:05:48,280 --> 02:05:53,440
You can go online and you can actually create your own account and add your own event.

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02:05:53,440 --> 02:06:01,440
I do want to list that not events that you go through in a approval process and that

1295
02:06:01,440 --> 02:06:07,460
approval process parameters for that are event submissions that need to be professional,

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02:06:07,720 --> 02:06:11,160
they need to be inclusive, respectful, and open to the public to attend.

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02:06:11,820 --> 02:06:13,460
It's Canora event specifically.

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02:06:14,540 --> 02:06:18,800
We ask that you do not post events like your garage sale or your wedding social.

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02:06:18,800 --> 02:06:26,500
So we won't be putting any of that on there, but if you are an organization that has an event that is coming up,

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02:06:27,000 --> 02:06:34,020
feel free to go onto the side of the page and then press this Submit and Event button right there.

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02:06:35,020 --> 02:06:39,260
Okay. If you want to, you can also filter through the event specifically.

1302
02:06:39,700 --> 02:06:46,120
So if you're wanting to check out the library specific events, if there's community programs, the Muse Recreation,

1303
02:06:46,120 --> 02:06:49,360
and other special events, again, by other organizations.

1304
02:06:54,610 --> 02:06:56,670
So back over to the what's happening section.

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02:06:57,470 --> 02:06:59,230
And then this is new to the site,

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02:06:59,490 --> 02:07:02,250
is this bottom corner here, we're internally calling this

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02:07:02,250 --> 02:07:03,710
the public engagement corner.

1308
02:07:04,350 --> 02:07:07,290
So the intent of this is, again,

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02:07:07,410 --> 02:07:08,750
it's updating on a regular basis.

1310
02:07:08,990 --> 02:07:12,370
So the intent here is to have a spot

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02:07:12,370 --> 02:07:14,690
where the public can go to get quicks,

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02:07:15,110 --> 02:07:17,490
little bit, bites of information

1313
02:07:17,490 --> 02:07:19,290
about how to get involved in some way.

1314
02:07:19,290 --> 02:07:25,030
Okay, so this is where we would envision any upcoming town halls or open houses surveys

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02:07:25,030 --> 02:07:25,930
for example.

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02:07:26,690 --> 02:07:31,530
We have it colored so it pops out a little bit more prominently on the page.

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02:07:31,790 --> 02:07:35,770
It has a call to action button that we can then direct people to a specific spot.

1318
02:07:36,970 --> 02:07:40,970
Right now we're highlighting the tree lighting that's going on and

1319
02:07:43,500 --> 02:07:44,420
then you'll see frequently

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02:07:44,420 --> 02:07:49,320
on most of the pages as well, this blue section that says stay in the note.

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02:07:50,560 --> 02:07:56,620
We, on the previous site, you would have to search how to subscribe to updates.

1322
02:07:57,580 --> 02:07:59,920
And now this is more prominent on most pages.

1323
02:08:00,160 --> 02:08:04,420
So if you see this blue banner or you hear in the community, how do I stay up to date

1324
02:08:04,420 --> 02:08:05,840
with what's going on in the city of Canora?

1325
02:08:06,240 --> 02:08:11,280
You can direct friends, family and the public to this blue section of the website.

1326
02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:12,940
And if you hit subscribe,

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02:08:17,160 --> 02:08:19,720
you can fill out some quick information about yourself and then

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02:08:19,720 --> 02:08:22,440
And what types of updates do you actually would like to receive?

1329
02:08:23,000 --> 02:08:26,420
So you don't have to necessarily pick every single thing.

1330
02:08:26,480 --> 02:08:32,080
If only you're interested in Coney Island news updates, and let's say snow removal,

1331
02:08:32,340 --> 02:08:35,040
then you can subscribe to just those elements.

1332
02:08:35,740 --> 02:08:38,780
If you scroll down, there's also the city's e-compass newsletter.

1333
02:08:39,580 --> 02:08:41,760
These are two separate programs.

1334
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:45,200
So we do ask that if you are wanting that newsletter that you fill this out as well,

1335
02:08:45,340 --> 02:08:45,860
impresses a bit.

1336
02:08:55,170 --> 02:09:06,870
other notable pieces that I'd like to draw attention to on the website. I mentioned the library earlier. Let's dive a little bit into the library's pages here.

1337
02:09:08,130 --> 02:09:14,970
So the previous site was set up. The library had a separate micro site that wasn't feasible with this new transition.

1338
02:09:14,970 --> 02:09:23,310
So what we had to do was actually do a complete custom design for these library pages, so that

1339
02:09:23,970 --> 02:09:29,790
patrons of the library who regularly would come to expect specific resources, that we

1340
02:09:29,790 --> 02:09:33,230
could migrate that stuff over to live within the city of Canora website.

1341
02:09:34,730 --> 02:09:41,630
So these pages are all custom designed with Crystal's team and carried at a lot of work with

1342
02:09:41,630 --> 02:09:46,470
their team to do this. So they have specific library news, specific library events, these

1343
02:09:46,470 --> 02:09:50,750
also feed into that community calendar, but here specifically it's just library.

1344
02:09:52,790 --> 02:09:53,330
There's

1345
02:09:53,330 --> 02:09:58,730
a search bar for your, to search the library specific pages, and then there's also a search

1346
02:09:58,730 --> 02:10:05,610
to look through the library's catalog for their books. I'm a big book nerd myself, so I always

1347
02:10:05,610 --> 02:10:10,230
like looking out this new arrivals at the library and you can span through the different

1348
02:10:10,230 --> 02:10:14,790
books, and this goes with any book that they get at the library that they newly received.

1349
02:10:15,310 --> 02:10:18,850
They scan it and it goes into the system here and also syncs up with the website.

1350
02:10:19,690 --> 02:10:22,930
So any new releases are also featured here.

1351
02:10:24,650 --> 02:10:29,950
Okay, and you can see we've set this up similar to how they had the microsite where each tab

1352
02:10:30,470 --> 02:10:33,590
in a way then goes to specific pieces for the library.

1353
02:10:36,620 --> 02:10:42,080
Another big component that we were really key on as well was there are certain departments

1354
02:10:42,080 --> 02:10:48,300
library included that have their own brand identity and we're wanting to continue to convey that

1355
02:10:48,300 --> 02:10:53,940
these other brand identities are still part of the city of Canora so we had to marry these in a way

1356
02:10:53,940 --> 02:10:58,620
where it's very clear that this is stuff for the public library but at the same time it's part of

1357
02:10:58,620 --> 02:11:03,260
the city of Canora so we still have the city of Canora header up at the top with the logo so that

1358
02:11:03,260 --> 02:11:09,080
people make that association and then additionally down at the bottom two we have both logos featured

1359
02:11:14,650 --> 02:11:19,650
Similar to that, we also did that with the economic development department.

1360
02:11:22,040 --> 02:11:24,400
So their logo very prominently displayed.

1361
02:11:24,700 --> 02:11:31,060
They also have their specific economic development tabs, so-to-speaker pages, key sectors and

1362
02:11:31,060 --> 02:11:31,920
components here.

1363
02:11:32,680 --> 02:11:36,860
And then they also have their own social media accounts that we wanted to draw attention

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02:11:36,860 --> 02:11:37,260
to.

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02:11:37,580 --> 02:11:42,380
While still reminding everybody that these departments are all part of the city of Canora as

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02:11:42,380 --> 02:11:42,500
well.

1367
02:11:46,700 --> 02:11:56,980
Let's go into, let's go back to the home, let's go test out the beaches and trails and

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02:11:56,980 --> 02:11:57,180
parks.

1369
02:11:58,480 --> 02:12:02,480
So I'm bringing you guys over to this page specifically because you can see now we have

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02:12:03,280 --> 02:12:10,280
the website features a lot of Canora specific imagery whereas before we did have a few but

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02:12:10,280 --> 02:12:14,720
here we have a lot of photos and call to actions and buttons so it's really clear that when

1372
02:12:14,720 --> 02:12:20,360
you're hovering over pieces, what's clickable. Any image is clickable on the website, so you can

1373
02:12:20,360 --> 02:12:26,880
either click the button or the picture itself. So it's very highly engaging in that way and not

1374
02:12:26,880 --> 02:12:31,620
just solid text that you're scrolling through. All the website pages are also set up to be mobile

1375
02:12:31,620 --> 02:12:37,520
and tablet-friendly. So depending on whatever device you are on, it will reconfigure to fit

1376
02:12:37,520 --> 02:12:38,880
appropriately onto your screens.

1377
02:12:42,710 --> 02:12:46,510
And again, I think it's worth mentioning here that every single

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02:12:46,510 --> 02:12:49,930
a photo that you see has an alt text description in the back.

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02:12:50,570 --> 02:12:56,430
So for anybody that's using a screen reader or maybe visually impaired, for example, if

1380
02:12:56,430 --> 02:13:00,510
they have a screen reader, it will explain that there are three children on a beach wrapped

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02:13:00,510 --> 02:13:01,470
in towels, say.

1382
02:13:02,030 --> 02:13:03,270
Or, pardon me?

1383
02:13:05,150 --> 02:13:07,150
Did not know that, did not plan that.

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02:13:08,090 --> 02:13:08,610
So,

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02:13:15,340 --> 02:13:25,200
like I said, very distinctly canara can confirm local people, okay, and then I also

1386
02:13:25,200 --> 02:13:31,140
want to draw attention to, let's see here, this, the footer for a moment here, so we have

1387
02:13:31,140 --> 02:13:36,040
our city of canara social media channels here, we also have in here some common resources,

1388
02:13:36,340 --> 02:13:40,500
so accessibility inclusion, again, the contact us, it will redirect you to that contact

1389
02:13:40,500 --> 02:13:46,560
page, the subscribe will take you to that, stay in the no spot that I've previously

1390
02:13:46,560 --> 02:13:51,000
showed, and then this website feedback form, again the footer is a visible on every single

1391
02:13:51,000 --> 02:13:51,560
page you're on.

1392
02:13:52,000 --> 02:13:57,420
So if you are having a complication on the website, and instead of having to search for it

1393
02:13:57,420 --> 02:14:01,840
or go on the search bar and type in feedback, you can go down to the footer and click there

1394
02:14:01,840 --> 02:14:06,240
and then be redirected directly to the feedback form, which is super short and sweet.

1395
02:14:06,240 --> 02:14:10,180
You give general feedback about what's going on on the page that you're on.

1396
02:14:10,540 --> 02:14:14,240
You can provide your name and your email if you would like us to reach back out to you.

1397
02:14:14,400 --> 02:14:18,560
If there's something specific, let's say somebody's having a problem paying a bill online.

1398
02:14:19,920 --> 02:14:24,500
Or you can anonymously leave feedback and then press the submit button and then you're good

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02:14:24,500 --> 02:14:24,800
to go.

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02:14:26,620 --> 02:14:33,860
Another new feature on the website, not a new feature or a tool per se, but a something

1401
02:14:33,860 --> 02:14:38,360
thing that is handy and also on a lot of pages, I'm just going to pick a random page.

1402
02:14:39,280 --> 02:14:43,580
Over on the right hand side you'll see these pod menus that I've referenced, and under

1403
02:14:43,580 --> 02:14:48,180
the pod menus there's the contact us, again because people might be prompted when they're

1404
02:14:48,180 --> 02:14:52,940
reading to be like, oh I have a question about this, so we have our customer service general

1405
02:14:52,940 --> 02:14:59,720
line there, and the after hours line are hours of operation, and on, I would say,

1406
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:28,600
90% or more of the pages. You'll see this submit a request for service. So this tool we've been using for years, but now it's that much more accessible and easy to find on the website. So if you are wanting to submit a request for service, you would click the button, go to the request for service page, log an online form. And this is where the public can put in anything from a bylaw complaint to park maintenance requests, snow removal. My garbage wasn't picked up a pothole.

1407
02:15:28,600 --> 02:15:31,400
There are over 20 different selections here.

1408
02:15:32,880 --> 02:15:38,900
I highly recommend to that if you have it to take a picture and upload the photo as well to that.

1409
02:15:40,580 --> 02:15:48,100
And then put in a brief description as to what your request or your citizen issue is and then press submit.

1410
02:15:48,660 --> 02:15:53,580
And then that gets directed to the department that specifically maintain and manage by.

1411
02:15:53,580 --> 02:16:00,260
So, again, this isn't a new tool, but the new aspect of it is that now it's accessible

1412
02:16:00,260 --> 02:16:05,160
from the right-hand menu, anytime anybody is navigating around this website.

1413
02:16:09,380 --> 02:16:14,580
Okay, and I think in a general sense that encompasses most of the key features of the website.

1414
02:16:15,180 --> 02:16:18,720
It is a very robust website over 300 pages.

1415
02:16:19,380 --> 02:16:26,500
I'm sure that since launching on September 15th, everybody here has gone to the website

1416
02:16:26,500 --> 02:16:33,460
a number of times. But please feel free if you see anything, see any improvements or would like to see

1417
02:16:33,460 --> 02:16:38,840
anything added. Please let us know directly or you can fill out the website feedback form at the bottom.

1418
02:16:40,460 --> 02:16:42,760
Any comments, questions? Yes,

1419
02:16:44,810 --> 02:16:48,510
I didn't see a museum anywhere. Yes, we do have the museum.

1420
02:16:49,590 --> 02:16:56,110
It is in visit and play and it is in you can search it as well as arts and culture.

1421
02:16:56,110 --> 02:17:05,270
Here we go. So you can click on any of these icons or when you hover over you'll see

1422
02:17:05,270 --> 02:17:12,310
it links and it pulses as well. So these custom icons as well and then or you can go to

1423
02:17:12,310 --> 02:17:18,550
the pod menu and go to the museums that way. So again using photos we also have the ability

1424
02:17:18,550 --> 02:17:25,230
now to have photo galleries. So that's what these dots are. So if we have a lot of sleek

1425
02:17:25,230 --> 02:17:30,490
photos that we want to feature. We could also do it that way. This is on a timer. I think it's

1426
02:17:30,490 --> 02:17:34,730
going every three to five seconds. I'm just impatient while showing you.

1427
02:17:39,660 --> 02:17:40,100
And these are

1428
02:17:40,100 --> 02:17:46,540
proving to be super handy as well. We can add photos in this style to news and notices and other pages

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02:17:46,540 --> 02:17:47,000
as well.

1430
02:17:54,420 --> 02:17:59,340
This is great, Maya. Even for guy like me who stumbles through these websites, it's pretty,

1431
02:17:59,340 --> 02:18:06,600
for the, you know, self-evident, the pictures are quite, they're very, they're great, actually.

1432
02:18:06,860 --> 02:18:09,540
Are these all, did you take the pictures or...?

1433
02:18:09,540 --> 02:18:14,660
No, they're a combination of photos that the City of Canora and Tourism Department specifically

1434
02:18:14,660 --> 02:18:20,580
and the City of Canora have purchased and have licenses for up until the end of 2027

1435
02:18:21,040 --> 02:18:28,840
and then a number of them are also taken by workers out in the field, so city workers themselves

1436
02:18:28,840 --> 02:18:32,380
and then as well as Kerry in myself or, again,

1437
02:18:32,520 --> 02:18:34,940
Tourism Department had a lot of photos

1438
02:18:34,940 --> 02:18:36,160
that they were able to provide us,

1439
02:18:36,240 --> 02:18:37,580
both from a professional standpoint,

1440
02:18:38,400 --> 02:18:40,440
and ones that their team has taken as well.

1441
02:18:40,920 --> 02:18:44,160
Does everyone have a conversation about, you know,

1442
02:18:44,580 --> 02:18:46,300
photographs and using photographs

1443
02:18:46,300 --> 02:18:49,500
or as post-professional photographers?

1444
02:18:49,740 --> 02:18:51,380
But I think this hits the mark 100%

1445
02:18:51,380 --> 02:18:53,260
and it gets very well done and I really appreciate it.

1446
02:18:53,540 --> 02:18:55,620
I just wanted to mention on the first page again,

1447
02:18:55,760 --> 02:18:58,660
you showed the, I think of the drop down it has our plans

1448
02:18:58,660 --> 02:19:03,580
like your economic development. I love to see our community safety well being planned,

1449
02:19:03,740 --> 02:19:09,680
like that was conspicuously absent for, you know, I think prior to this term of council,

1450
02:19:09,700 --> 02:19:16,960
really. So I think the fact that we've achieved that and it's on our main page, I think it's great,

1451
02:19:17,100 --> 02:19:21,080
so it's great to be able to see those and have them, you know, one of the first things you see when

1452
02:19:21,080 --> 02:19:27,140
you go to the site, so very well done. Thank you very much. It definitely, the new layout of this

1453
02:19:27,140 --> 02:19:33,600
This really enables us to, as new initiatives, plan, strategies, and events are happening.

1454
02:19:34,040 --> 02:19:38,140
There's now actual spots that we can say, hey, this is where this is going to live.

1455
02:19:38,560 --> 02:19:43,500
Whereas before on the previous site, we had, I think it was, I want to say, eight icons

1456
02:19:43,500 --> 02:19:48,100
where we had similar icons and then a little paragraph underneath but we didn't have a photo.

1457
02:19:48,640 --> 02:19:52,340
So sometimes people would just scroll past it and the community safety and well-being plan

1458
02:19:52,340 --> 02:19:55,920
was one of those that were on there that it may have been missed.

1459
02:19:55,920 --> 02:20:00,880
And then sometimes when there was key highlights or initiatives going on, people would reach

1460
02:20:00,880 --> 02:20:02,540
out and be like, hey, I want to be on the homepage.

1461
02:20:03,400 --> 02:20:07,260
And every department has a number one priority in every department.

1462
02:20:07,580 --> 02:20:11,320
So how do we pick who gets homepage treatment, right?

1463
02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:16,700
So now having these specific, okay, we know the popular icons, we know that we have the

1464
02:20:16,700 --> 02:20:17,640
I want to's.

1465
02:20:18,080 --> 02:20:22,620
Having this rotating banner is going to be that huge piece where, hey, if there's something

1466
02:20:22,620 --> 02:20:24,540
that the public is asking a lot of questions about,

1467
02:20:25,100 --> 02:20:29,380
We can do up a banner for it and start directing people specifically to that information.

1468
02:20:33,320 --> 02:20:35,540
Thank you. Any other questions?

1469
02:20:37,600 --> 02:20:38,140
Don't see it.

1470
02:20:39,220 --> 02:20:43,900
Yeah, I just want to thank Maya and Carrie for their effort.

1471
02:20:44,100 --> 02:20:47,780
Anybody who's done a project like this and unfortunately I've been a part of a couple of them.

1472
02:20:47,940 --> 02:20:51,360
It's a huge beast to wrestle to the ground so I know a lot of work went in.

1473
02:20:51,440 --> 02:20:54,600
This is top quality work and just wanted to say thanks for your efforts.

1474
02:20:55,080 --> 02:20:55,360
Thank you.

1475
02:20:55,980 --> 02:20:56,880
Thank you very much.

1476
02:20:56,880 --> 02:21:01,120
And again, I really want to extend a big thank you to the library team and economic development.

1477
02:21:01,920 --> 02:21:08,180
Library, we had to learn a new system and migrate over all of their page content and copy and paste that over.

1478
02:21:08,980 --> 02:21:18,580
Everything that the library and communications department was pumping out on the website and public notices and whatnot on the old website.

1479
02:21:19,020 --> 02:21:22,880
In the background, we were also duplicating that effort and doing it here.

1480
02:21:24,280 --> 02:21:28,940
something also that was a big, it made for a very busy summer, I'll say.

1481
02:21:30,400 --> 02:21:32,540
I think so, Heather, did you have a question?

1482
02:21:32,540 --> 02:21:39,400
Yeah, I just wanted to add, again, thanks, Stace for pointing out a big credit to Maya as

1483
02:21:39,400 --> 02:21:44,980
well and her leadership in the department and full circle back to council in their commitment

1484
02:21:44,980 --> 02:21:52,200
to this role, the senior communications advisor role, which has allowed us the opportunity

1485
02:21:52,200 --> 02:21:56,820
to move communications forward and to be able to undertake a project like this would

1486
02:21:56,820 --> 02:22:01,340
have been very, very challenging to do being a one person show.

1487
02:22:01,560 --> 02:22:05,140
So thank you for that commitment to this position.

1488
02:22:05,660 --> 02:22:09,760
And thank you to Maya and her team and everyone who committed to this project over the summer

1489
02:22:09,760 --> 02:22:15,940
because it was a lot of additional work on top of the already busy day-to-day comms needs.

1490
02:22:16,740 --> 02:22:20,740
We still have work to do in some of the committee meeting minutes.

1491
02:22:21,320 --> 02:22:22,440
I'll own that one.

1492
02:22:23,420 --> 02:22:24,760
You were doing so well in that.

1493
02:22:24,920 --> 02:22:28,860
It was like it was finality and then thanks very much.

1494
02:22:29,080 --> 02:22:30,080
Thank you very much.

1495
02:22:31,160 --> 02:22:37,540
So we're going to jump a bit on the agenda to Director Brain.

1496
02:22:37,960 --> 02:22:43,340
And then we will circle back to you, Director Piccolo.

1497
02:22:43,340 --> 02:22:48,860
So it's just you have your time sensitive here to finish your report.

1498
02:22:50,100 --> 02:22:58,060
So if you want to move to 6.2, 6.2.1, Infrastructure and Operations Q3 report.

1499
02:22:58,920 --> 02:23:00,980
Yeah, thank you, thank you for your worship.

1500
02:23:01,280 --> 02:23:09,760
So have here the 2025 Q3 Infrastructure and Operations quarterly report for Council's review

1501
02:23:09,760 --> 02:23:10,460
and information.

1502
02:23:10,460 --> 02:23:18,380
A couple of big items to talk about in the report and just touch on is restructuring that

1503
02:23:18,380 --> 02:23:19,780
took place in Q3.

1504
02:23:20,220 --> 02:23:28,740
So the previously known engineering and infrastructure group has been renamed to infrastructure and

1505
02:23:28,740 --> 02:23:36,020
operations with a real focus on our capital project delivery, our infrastructure renewal,

1506
02:23:36,020 --> 02:23:42,600
and quality of service delivery in our operations departments and so new

1507
02:23:42,600 --> 02:23:47,000
our chart has been provided for for Council's review and also if the public

1508
02:23:47,000 --> 02:23:53,020
is interested. You know I just I want to acknowledge some of the operations

1509
02:23:53,020 --> 02:24:00,340
departments in the quarter. Summertime is always a very very busy season for the

1510
02:24:00,340 --> 02:24:07,800
group and whether it's the fleet department attending to just a significant load of service

1511
02:24:07,800 --> 02:24:13,700
requests relating to our city equipment to support all of our operations. The parks

1512
02:24:13,700 --> 02:24:22,160
and harbour town team dealing with community cleanliness and repairs and graffiti removal.

1513
02:24:22,320 --> 02:24:28,500
It's a major effort always in the summer. And the roads department, you know, I feel like

1514
02:24:28,500 --> 02:24:34,080
when you drive around the community now, we've got a much better handle on our road conditions,

1515
02:24:34,400 --> 02:24:40,700
the ongoing maintenance, the potholing situation. So I just really wanted to particularly acknowledge

1516
02:24:40,700 --> 02:24:46,200
those three groups in the operations department. But then on as well, you know, on the flip side,

1517
02:24:46,200 --> 02:24:52,580
we have a lot happening with projects and a lot of work that kicked off in Q3 and will continue

1518
02:24:52,580 --> 02:24:57,700
and take us into next year. But not only what you can physically see happening in the community,

1519
02:24:57,700 --> 02:25:04,260
behind the scenes, there's some real effort going into our design works to prepare for

1520
02:25:04,260 --> 02:25:09,960
the next projects that are upcoming. I've really impressed on the team that it is important

1521
02:25:09,960 --> 02:25:16,000
that we start advancing our schedules in terms of design and project readiness so that we

1522
02:25:16,000 --> 02:25:20,880
have shelf ready projects sitting and ready to go when the budget is passed that we can get

1523
02:25:20,880 --> 02:25:25,820
out, get tendered and get started in the community earlier than I've seen us do in the past.

1524
02:25:25,820 --> 02:25:30,140
And so we're going to continue to work through that and advance that schedule on the design

1525
02:25:30,740 --> 02:25:34,340
So that we're ready and things are happening faster in the community

1526
02:25:35,820 --> 02:25:41,580
Other than that, I'm happy to take any questions if there are any but I'll leave it that kind of brief summary for the quarterly report

1527
02:25:41,580 --> 02:25:43,500
Any questions of council

1528
02:25:48,430 --> 02:25:49,310
Thank you

1529
02:25:50,210 --> 02:25:51,710
So we'll move on to

1530
02:25:52,870 --> 02:25:58,190
6.2.2 capital needs assessment reports. Yes, thank you

1531
02:25:58,190 --> 02:26:06,370
So, Associate Engineering was here a bit earlier to provide council with an overview of the

1532
02:26:06,370 --> 02:26:08,010
two reports that have been provided.

1533
02:26:09,750 --> 02:26:16,150
Quick summary is that for both the city's water and wastewater treatment plants, administration

1534
02:26:16,150 --> 02:26:22,150
identified those a couple of years ago as some items that needed some attention and had

1535
02:26:22,150 --> 02:26:30,430
a potential risk in terms of continuous service delivery and we knew that there was investment

1536
02:26:30,430 --> 02:26:37,310
needed in both of those areas and we wanted to lay out a plan for how to go about that

1537
02:26:37,310 --> 02:26:43,570
effectively and efficiently and so we partnered with associated engineering to complete an

1538
02:26:43,570 --> 02:26:49,750
assessment at both of the city's plants and they've come back with two very detailed reports

1539
02:26:49,750 --> 02:27:01,750
and asset inventories, including asset condition, for us to then build our capital renewal program off of over the next 10 and up to 25 years.

1540
02:27:02,810 --> 02:27:18,610
Couple of highlights are that the, at the wastewater treatment plants, about almost half of the plants assets are determined to be in fair or better condition, but also half of the plant assets are in poor or

1541
02:27:18,610 --> 02:27:26,030
very poor condition, and that's reflected with a proposal in the upcoming budget to complete

1542
02:27:26,030 --> 02:27:35,490
renewal investments of $8 million in 2027 and then almost $30 million in 2032. At the water

1543
02:27:35,490 --> 02:27:42,710
plants, a little bit more 64% of the plant's asset was determined to be in a fair better condition

1544
02:27:42,710 --> 02:27:47,210
with about 35% of the assets in poor or very poor condition.

1545
02:27:47,850 --> 02:27:55,370
That's reflected in the upcoming budget proposals with about $8 million in 2028 and then $22 million in 2034.

1546
02:27:56,230 --> 02:28:01,090
And so it was about $105 million over the next 25 years.

1547
02:28:01,490 --> 02:28:08,570
Total investment recommended by associated engineering to essentially maintain the status quo for

1548
02:28:08,570 --> 02:28:11,070
those two plants and keep them in operating condition.

1549
02:28:11,070 --> 02:28:18,170
So both reports have been attached to the agenda for Council's consideration and happy to

1550
02:28:18,170 --> 02:28:19,470
take any questions if there are any.

1551
02:28:20,310 --> 02:28:21,610
Any questions, Council?

1552
02:28:24,370 --> 02:28:29,370
So that will come forward next week to the next Council meeting just to receive.

1553
02:28:30,590 --> 02:28:30,830
Correct.

1554
02:28:31,270 --> 02:28:31,350
Okay.

1555
02:28:31,750 --> 02:28:32,010
Thank you.

1556
02:28:33,410 --> 02:28:41,250
Well, I guess you might as well keep going, 6.2.3 agreements, blue box regulations, for sure.

1557
02:28:41,250 --> 02:28:43,290
Okay, thank you.

1558
02:28:44,130 --> 02:28:49,570
So the next report for council pertains to the city's recycling operations.

1559
02:28:50,490 --> 02:28:58,530
And the report is recommending that council approves the execution of two recycling agreements.

1560
02:28:58,990 --> 02:29:07,310
One is a subcontracting agreement with GFL environmental for services related to curbside

1561
02:29:07,310 --> 02:29:13,970
collection of recyclables for the next seven years with an option for three years of renewals.

1562
02:29:14,750 --> 02:29:23,810
And the other agreement is an operations agreement with circular materials to provide

1563
02:29:23,810 --> 02:29:31,710
a depot recycling services as we currently do for a term of three years and option to extend

1564
02:29:31,710 --> 02:29:38,490
for three one-year periods, subject to the ongoing operations circular materials has in the province.

1565
02:29:39,570 --> 02:29:49,130
As a recap for Council in 2016, the province introduced the Resource and Recovery and Circular

1566
02:29:49,130 --> 02:29:57,570
Economy Act and began to adjust and in 2021 adjusted the way that recyclables are handled

1567
02:29:57,570 --> 02:29:59,970
and who pays for the processing of recyclable-

1568
02:30:00,820 --> 02:30:29,980
So, starting in 2021, it became producers of recyclable materials responsibility to pay for the processing of that materials. That means the collection and the handling and the processing and the reuse and renewal of those materials to go back out into the community as new products. Back in 2023, council authorized the execution of a master services agreement with Circus

1569
02:30:29,980 --> 02:30:35,320
for the City of Canora to continue to deliver services for

1570
02:30:35,320 --> 02:30:39,860
a curbside collection, depot operation, and also some promotional and

1571
02:30:39,860 --> 02:30:43,960
educational material distribution for a period of two and a half years,

1572
02:30:44,460 --> 02:30:46,660
taking us to the end of 2025.

1573
02:30:47,880 --> 02:30:51,360
And while we were in that agreement with circular materials,

1574
02:30:51,940 --> 02:30:58,140
the province went on, or circular materials went on to complete procurement

1575
02:30:58,140 --> 02:31:02,900
of a broader service delivery model.

1576
02:31:03,440 --> 02:31:07,600
And so the province has been divided up into catchments, and

1577
02:31:07,600 --> 02:31:12,360
those catchments have been awarded to contractors to complete the recycling services.

1578
02:31:12,920 --> 02:31:18,760
And so for the city of Canora, the contractor who has the contract for

1579
02:31:18,760 --> 02:31:22,000
curbside collection is GFL environmental.

1580
02:31:22,000 --> 02:31:51,900
Now, that gave GFL environmental the option to come into the community and begin delivering that service, if they wished, but because we currently offer a combined service delivery for both recycling and garbage collection combined, we actively engaged with GFL back in 2024 to see how we could partner with them to continue to offer the services that we currently do.

1581
02:31:51,900 --> 02:32:01,520
And so, through negotiations, I have a contract for Council to authorize that lets us do that continuously for the next seven and up to 10 years.

1582
02:32:02,280 --> 02:32:16,120
And really, the only changes that community members would see would be the incorporation of recyclable materials from 95 gallon carts.

1583
02:32:16,120 --> 02:32:21,220
parts. Similar to what you see in other municipalities in Ontario or other parts of

1584
02:32:21,220 --> 02:32:25,240
the country, the big blue bins with the flip top lid and the wheels and the handles that

1585
02:32:25,240 --> 02:32:30,340
people can bring to the curbside and will be loaded into the city's collection vehicles.

1586
02:32:31,380 --> 02:32:37,220
We will have to out-fit our collection vehicles with a couple of cart-tippers, pretty minor,

1587
02:32:38,740 --> 02:32:44,720
but ultimately the contract allows us to continue providing the service, preserve all of the

1588
02:32:44,720 --> 02:33:03,820
The positions related to doing that work as city staff and also provides revenue that ensures that the city is not subsidizing the recycling program and that the cost is truly being passed on to producers which is consistent with the applicable legislation.

1589
02:33:03,820 --> 02:33:05,960
So that's one contract.

1590
02:33:06,520 --> 02:33:12,420
The other contract is to be with circular materials for the continued operation of our

1591
02:33:12,420 --> 02:33:14,180
depot at the transfer station.

1592
02:33:15,360 --> 02:33:19,900
The execution of this agreement just allows the city of Canora to continue on as we have

1593
02:33:19,900 --> 02:33:20,340
in the past.

1594
02:33:20,560 --> 02:33:24,780
There will be no noticeable difference for community members who are continuing to bring

1595
02:33:24,780 --> 02:33:28,000
recyclable materials to the transfer station.

1596
02:33:28,160 --> 02:33:32,020
We'll continue to package those up and handle those and get those ready for processing.

1597
02:33:32,020 --> 02:33:42,360
and there is a revenue associated with that that similarly allows for when combined with the collection revenue

1598
02:33:42,980 --> 02:33:47,480
the costs of recyclable, handling recyclable materials to be passed back to producers.

1599
02:33:49,100 --> 02:34:00,660
So, combined on an annual basis the revenue from those two programs is noted in the contracts to be $784,000 per year.

1600
02:34:00,660 --> 02:34:15,720
But in the early part of 2026, we will continue an existing relationship with GFL for the processing and transportation of materials to the Winnipeg recycling handling site.

1601
02:34:16,380 --> 02:34:24,980
And so through that agreement, probably two, three months, we will have some revenue coming in from GFL to continue on with our existing agreement with them.

1602
02:34:24,980 --> 02:34:31,640
So, about $110,000 is forecasted for the early part of 2026 to continue on with that operation.

1603
02:34:33,620 --> 02:34:38,920
So, I think that's kind of the overview and summary for Council, but if there's any questions,

1604
02:34:39,000 --> 02:34:40,580
Council has about the agreements happening.

1605
02:34:42,200 --> 02:34:44,440
Councilor Koch and then Councilor Van Billion.

1606
02:34:45,600 --> 02:34:46,500
Thank you, Roshep.

1607
02:34:46,500 --> 02:34:58,240
I'm wondering about the 95 gallon collection cards, the cost of those and replacement of those for residents if necessary what that looks like.

1608
02:34:58,840 --> 02:35:08,760
So the carts are going to be distributed in December by GFL and it's not a city cost to provide the carts or to distribute them.

1609
02:35:08,760 --> 02:35:19,380
So people will receive those, and then if there are any issues or replacements or things required on an ongoing basis all cart inquiries will be directed to GFL to deal with.

1610
02:35:19,920 --> 02:35:25,900
And community members will start to see communications coming out on that in the coming days. We're just finalizing the material.

1611
02:35:26,040 --> 02:35:34,920
Right. And just follow up to that. Will it make sense? Do you think for us to explore a similar collection cart for garbage?

1612
02:35:34,920 --> 02:35:38,600
We are starting down that path of exposure.

1613
02:35:38,900 --> 02:35:39,540
Thank you.

1614
02:35:42,900 --> 02:35:44,920
I'll bring that to Councilwoman Thridney.

1615
02:35:47,380 --> 02:35:48,140
Yeah.

1616
02:35:48,740 --> 02:35:49,880
Councillor Van Ballyton.

1617
02:35:52,480 --> 02:35:58,760
I was wondering if you could also just elaborate on the glass curbside pickup.

1618
02:35:59,340 --> 02:36:06,260
And then I would find it helpful in the budget section on these reports if it was net revenues.

1619
02:36:06,260 --> 02:36:07,340
Yes, sorry.

1620
02:36:09,420 --> 02:36:16,620
Just not just for your report, like just in general, I feel like that's a more accurate number of like what the actual cost.

1621
02:36:21,640 --> 02:36:26,080
So just to touch on glass. So similar to the

1622
02:36:26,830 --> 02:36:35,360
Communication coming out on the carts glass will become in 2026 recyclable at the curbside and we will have in the coming days

1623
02:36:35,360 --> 02:36:42,400
information coming out to explain that to curbside collection customers and then also

1624
02:36:42,400 --> 02:36:47,260
when the carts are delivered in December, there will be pamphlets included in all the

1625
02:36:47,260 --> 02:36:50,340
carts that outline all of the materials that can be recycled.

1626
02:36:51,080 --> 02:36:56,780
And in terms of the financial question, I will get an answer back to council as soon as

1627
02:36:56,780 --> 02:36:56,960
I can.

1628
02:37:00,670 --> 02:37:01,990
Any other questions?

1629
02:37:02,410 --> 02:37:03,050
Councillor Bernie?

1630
02:37:04,710 --> 02:37:06,050
Thanks, Greg, for your report.

1631
02:37:06,050 --> 02:37:10,370
I'm going to go back to, I should have mentioned this earlier, but I'm just going to go back

1632
02:37:10,370 --> 02:37:16,870
to your infrastructure and operations report, and I just wanted to bring up your section

1633
02:37:16,870 --> 02:37:21,870
here about clean-ups and vandalism, and you know, thank you very much for keeping track

1634
02:37:21,870 --> 02:37:22,210
of this.

1635
02:37:22,310 --> 02:37:26,650
I mean, we talked about that before and putting a dollar value to it, and maybe you can comment

1636
02:37:26,650 --> 02:37:27,090
on this.

1637
02:37:27,770 --> 02:37:29,710
And really, I'd like to just bring this up.

1638
02:37:29,830 --> 02:37:34,650
I seem to be beating this drum all the time, but I think it's something that the public

1639
02:37:34,650 --> 02:37:39,670
is very aware of, and the public needs to know, you mentioned here in your report that

1640
02:37:39,670 --> 02:37:46,370
the costs in this quarter doubled the year-to-date costs. So we're looking, we're at total,

1641
02:37:46,530 --> 02:37:51,750
bringing the total for 2025, this is for clean-ups and vandalism to $20,000, just shy of $20,000.

1642
02:37:52,310 --> 02:37:59,750
And you have some pictures here you shared, the Senataf was vandalized, there's a bus stop that

1643
02:37:59,750 --> 02:38:07,530
the glass was smashed out of it and then this is all available for the public if they want to look at the minutes and then there's some cleanup here

1644
02:38:07,530 --> 02:38:17,510
I don't know these areas in a wooded area where it's just looks like a garbage dump. So, you know, you're you're doing you and your staff are certainly doing the best they can. This is a

1645
02:38:17,510 --> 02:38:28,370
thankless job. I mean the garbage pick up all the work that they do and I've heard before that it's it's frustrating because you just clean up one area and you come back late hours later

1646
02:38:28,370 --> 02:38:34,490
sometimes and it's there's garbage there again it's revandelized so maybe you can just

1647
02:38:34,490 --> 02:38:40,430
comment on that and I just want to say this is why it's so important for us to be talking

1648
02:38:40,430 --> 02:38:49,370
about community-based crime prevention initiatives. We talk about you know police presence, targeted

1649
02:38:49,370 --> 02:38:54,850
patrol and I know our community safety and well-being coordinator is going to be delivering

1650
02:38:54,850 --> 02:39:01,990
the report later on, perhaps addressing this, but I believe that it's really something

1651
02:39:01,990 --> 02:39:07,630
that it's the fact that it's doubled is concerning to me.

1652
02:39:08,090 --> 02:39:12,670
I mean, $20,000 in sort of the scope or the context of what we've been talking about

1653
02:39:12,670 --> 02:39:19,350
are millions of dollars for waste water and their infrastructure is maybe small, but I think

1654
02:39:19,350 --> 02:39:24,650
it has a great impact on the public's perception of our community, and you know why I just showed

1655
02:39:24,650 --> 02:39:29,590
this is beautiful website she's done trying to portray our community in the

1656
02:39:29,590 --> 02:39:33,530
best-like possible but anyway that's another conversation but can you just

1657
02:39:33,530 --> 02:39:37,750
comment on that Greg about just maybe the ongoing sort of work that you and

1658
02:39:37,750 --> 02:39:44,590
your staff do and is there something that you can point to regarding this trend

1659
02:39:44,590 --> 02:39:53,810
this increase? You know I think staff works so hard to try and keep our

1660
02:39:53,810 --> 02:40:00,450
community clean and warm and welcoming and inviting and you're absolutely right. It is a

1661
02:40:00,450 --> 02:40:07,310
thankless job because there are there are many days where the area that they've just cleaned

1662
02:40:07,310 --> 02:40:17,010
and beautified is ransacked again shortly thereafter same same day and so it's a it's a really

1663
02:40:17,010 --> 02:40:22,790
tough and thankless position and I have a lot of empathy for the the team to continue to go back

1664
02:40:22,790 --> 02:40:29,230
and work as hard as they do to, you know, try and deliver a nice place for people to come

1665
02:40:29,230 --> 02:40:38,370
and visit and engage and gather in our community. So, you know, I think that we're just, we're

1666
02:40:38,370 --> 02:40:44,110
starting to become more attentive to also all of the outlying areas where we're seeing these

1667
02:40:44,110 --> 02:40:48,810
types of things happen. And so putting the pictures for some of the wooden areas into the report

1668
02:40:48,810 --> 02:40:54,050
was actually on purpose, just to try and share the level of effort it takes to deal with this,

1669
02:40:54,170 --> 02:41:00,290
and sometimes it's not seen to the greater community. It's only a small subset who maybe, you know,

1670
02:41:00,550 --> 02:41:08,570
hike through a particular trail through town and come across that. The community safety and

1671
02:41:08,570 --> 02:41:17,410
well-being plan is 100% tied to trying to correct this issue, and I think that, you know, also groups

1672
02:41:17,410 --> 02:41:23,290
like the net team and trying to activate our community spaces is so important on top

1673
02:41:23,290 --> 02:41:31,830
of thinking about our future projects and designing with you know visibility and open space

1674
02:41:31,830 --> 02:41:38,430
concept, safety and sight lines in mind to try and prevent as much as as much as we can.

1675
02:41:38,630 --> 02:41:42,810
But yeah, it's a huge effort and you know I'm really I'm really proud of the team for the

1676
02:41:42,810 --> 02:41:45,450
work that they put in every day trying to keep the community clean.

1677
02:41:45,450 --> 02:41:49,030
Well, thanks. I just wanted to bring that up because your hard work certainly hasn't gone

1678
02:41:49,030 --> 02:41:53,030
on notice and we all appreciate, I certainly appreciate it. And I just want the public

1679
02:41:53,030 --> 02:41:58,450
to know that for us, for me, certainly, this is a priority. And there are steps being

1680
02:41:58,450 --> 02:42:02,770
taken to your point to address this. It's a big shift to turn.

1681
02:42:04,830 --> 02:42:06,450
But it is certainly still

1682
02:42:06,450 --> 02:42:11,290
as a priority. And there are other tables where we're having conversations about accountability,

1683
02:42:11,290 --> 02:42:16,670
the, you know, criminal code charges, various other factors in the community that contribute

1684
02:42:16,670 --> 02:42:21,790
to this kind of thing. And it's still top priority. So thanks for commenting on that.

1685
02:42:21,870 --> 02:42:31,530
Greg, appreciate it. Thanks, Mayor. Thank you. So, there's no other questions. I think, I think

1686
02:42:31,530 --> 02:42:37,210
you're done. And thanks for the patience. I know you've been kind of chomping up the bed thing.

1687
02:42:37,210 --> 02:42:39,950
Okay, get this done so you could leave.

1688
02:42:40,330 --> 02:42:42,170
So, anyway, safe travels.

1689
02:42:42,890 --> 02:42:43,670
Thank you.

1690
02:42:45,840 --> 02:42:50,690
So we're gonna shift back up to under report 6.1,

1691
02:42:51,350 --> 02:42:52,470
planning and building services.

1692
02:42:52,750 --> 02:42:55,530
We have 6.1.1, we have a committee of adjustment

1693
02:42:55,530 --> 02:42:56,910
and property standards committee.

1694
02:42:58,190 --> 02:42:59,410
Director Pakello, please.

1695
02:43:00,330 --> 02:43:01,270
Thank you, your worship.

1696
02:43:02,210 --> 02:43:05,570
So the committee of adjustment

1697
02:43:05,570 --> 02:43:13,650
and the Property Standards Committee were proposing new terms of reference for both of these committees.

1698
02:43:14,920 --> 02:43:21,530
This initiative seems to have been around for far too long to go over some of the history.

1699
02:43:23,010 --> 02:43:34,930
Some procedural issues were identified last year for specifically the terms of reference for the committee of adjustment which was previously the planning advisory committee.

1700
02:43:34,930 --> 02:43:44,690
In the spring of 2025, Council did approve updates to the terms of reference for these two committees.

1701
02:43:45,730 --> 02:43:53,730
But at that time, I asked the Administration to take the terms of reference away again

1702
02:43:53,730 --> 02:43:59,670
and do a thorough review because what we had done previously was just update what we had.

1703
02:43:59,670 --> 02:44:05,050
And so we did a thorough review and we're proposing two separate by-laws.

1704
02:44:05,330 --> 02:44:11,650
It is still the same committee people, but two very different roles.

1705
02:44:12,570 --> 02:44:19,970
And so they should have different terms of reference for when they're following if they're

1706
02:44:19,970 --> 02:44:26,370
doing a hearing for property standards appeal is much different process and procedure than

1707
02:44:26,370 --> 02:44:31,930
if they're doing their committee of adjustment duties under the Planning Act.

1708
02:44:32,550 --> 02:44:36,210
So what this does is really separate the two out.

1709
02:44:37,290 --> 02:44:45,550
It provides terms of reference for each committee just for Council's knowledge.

1710
02:44:46,450 --> 02:44:53,350
Property standard appeal hearings are rare whereas the committee of adjustment typically meets

1711
02:44:53,350 --> 02:44:59,970
monthly to do with planning applications, so the...

1712
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,700
Property standards committee would sit only as necessary, and it may or may not be part of a regularly scheduled committee of adjustment meeting. So we have provided you with the two bylaws and recommend that three readings be given to each of those bylaws. Next regular meeting of council and that bylaw.

1713
02:45:42,400 --> 02:45:43,340
So the Planning Department has received a application for a sign variance and

1714
02:45:43,340 --> 02:46:01,330
I would like to move on to 6.1.2 sign variance request 534 park street.

1715
02:46:01,330 --> 02:46:12,230
So the Planning Department has received an application for a sign variance and it falls within

1716
02:46:12,230 --> 02:46:16,550
Council's purview to grant variances to the sign by law.

1717
02:46:17,170 --> 02:46:23,630
So the sign in particular that is being applied for is for a business that will be located

1718
02:46:23,630 --> 02:46:27,910
at 534 Park Street which is within the Canora Shopping Mall.

1719
02:46:27,910 --> 02:46:36,430
The business is Sessions Cannabis and they are asking for three variances under the sign

1720
02:46:36,430 --> 02:46:47,990
by-law, first that the maximum area of the sign be increased to of 2.34 square meters,

1721
02:46:48,670 --> 02:46:56,270
that the vertical dimension of the sign be increased by 0.4 meters and that the lighting

1722
02:46:56,270 --> 02:47:01,550
for the sign that it would be a facelift illuminated sign.

1723
02:47:02,490 --> 02:47:11,370
So the rationale for these variances, this is, I guess, the lighting in context.

1724
02:47:12,110 --> 02:47:20,270
So in Harbor Town Center, we are not permitted to have backlit signs, so illuminated lettering

1725
02:47:20,270 --> 02:47:35,470
in this case. This change has been quite successful in our main street, second street area, which

1726
02:47:35,470 --> 02:47:41,070
is our pedestrian focus of downtown. All of the businesses in the shopping mall have

1727
02:47:41,070 --> 02:47:47,330
backlit signs presently, so this is not a departure from the other businesses. It's also a very

1728
02:47:47,330 --> 02:47:54,810
different nature because these businesses are set back very far from the

1729
02:47:54,810 --> 02:48:01,130
street with a large parking lot in between. It's a different field than

1730
02:48:01,130 --> 02:48:08,510
our main street. So that's the rationale behind asking for illuminated signs.

1731
02:48:08,890 --> 02:48:15,510
Also the sizing of the signs in the shopping mall. All of the signs are

1732
02:48:15,510 --> 02:48:20,250
contained within a strip at the top of the building.

1733
02:48:21,250 --> 02:48:27,510
The proposed variance is in keeping with other businesses.

1734
02:48:27,850 --> 02:48:31,190
I did include imagery in the report

1735
02:48:31,190 --> 02:48:37,530
that shows the little Caesar's sign, which

1736
02:48:37,530 --> 02:48:40,310
covers the entire pretty

1737
02:48:42,610 --> 02:48:45,570
much the height is the same as the strip.

1738
02:48:45,570 --> 02:48:48,350
this one would not be that high.

1739
02:48:52,040 --> 02:48:56,380
So what we're looking for is Council's

1740
02:48:56,380 --> 02:49:04,320
approval of these variances to sign by let 1, 1, 5, 2010 seeking relief from

1741
02:49:04,320 --> 02:49:10,600
section 8.1 to A and table E which permits only non-illuminated or

1742
02:49:10,600 --> 02:49:15,120
externally eliminated signage within Harbor Town Center and limits the size of

1743
02:49:15,120 --> 02:49:22,460
wall signs to 0.8 meters vertical height and an area of 0.5 meters squared per linear

1744
02:49:22,460 --> 02:49:26,220
meter of wall, or which 10 meters, which is lesser.

1745
02:49:27,640 --> 02:49:27,920
Thank you.

1746
02:49:28,580 --> 02:49:29,600
Councilor Van Bologna.

1747
02:49:30,460 --> 02:49:30,880
Thank you.

1748
02:49:31,800 --> 02:49:39,480
I just am wondering that given the entire area has now essentially asked for a variance,

1749
02:49:39,740 --> 02:49:44,260
is it a value to maybe update our sign file law?

1750
02:49:44,260 --> 02:49:47,740
because if you have a rule and you don't follow the rule, is there a plan on having the rule?

1751
02:49:48,060 --> 02:49:50,240
This feels like a lot of procedural work.

1752
02:49:51,120 --> 02:49:55,140
My team is reviewing the sign by law presently.

1753
02:49:55,260 --> 02:49:58,880
It is a 2010 by-law, so it is quite dated.

1754
02:49:59,560 --> 02:50:03,540
It is also extremely complicated.

1755
02:50:04,400 --> 02:50:11,200
So we are trying to simplify that and that will be coming forward to counsel

1756
02:50:11,200 --> 02:50:19,220
So, when it's complete, but we do have a review team that includes the building department

1757
02:50:19,220 --> 02:50:26,600
that currently reviews the sign permits as well as the planning department and bylaw

1758
02:50:26,600 --> 02:50:27,220
enforcement.

1759
02:50:27,880 --> 02:50:35,020
So, they're working together towards updating that particular bylaw, and it will come back

1760
02:50:35,020 --> 02:50:35,320
to you.

1761
02:50:37,410 --> 02:50:38,030
Thank you.

1762
02:50:38,430 --> 02:50:39,650
Councillor Matheson.

1763
02:50:40,990 --> 02:50:46,370
So what you're saying is first and second street can't have

1764
02:50:46,370 --> 02:50:53,410
backlit at the mall can all of the variants all of Harbor Town Center has

1765
02:50:53,410 --> 02:51:00,990
that prohibition that they're not to be granted backlit signs that came in

1766
02:51:00,990 --> 02:51:06,350
you know existing signs have been grandfathered in so if someone comes in and

1767
02:51:06,350 --> 02:51:13,270
asks to replace the you know the plastic with the letters on it but keep the

1768
02:51:13,270 --> 02:51:19,490
same sign so there still are some signs on Main Street that have not been

1769
02:51:19,490 --> 02:51:25,350
replaced with non-illuminated signs but for the most part there has been quite a

1770
02:51:25,350 --> 02:51:32,590
lot of uptake we also support through our CIP program there's financial incentives

1771
02:51:32,590 --> 02:51:38,850
to modernize your signs and have them in keeping with the look and feel that we're looking for in those areas.

1772
02:51:39,830 --> 02:51:48,170
But that is a blanket coverage for all of Harvard Town Centre. So in order for the properties at the mall to have a backlit sign,

1773
02:51:49,630 --> 02:51:56,210
that's different from just replacing the face shape, they would need a variance.

1774
02:52:02,360 --> 02:52:08,340
Great. Okay, any other questions of council entries?

1775
02:52:08,780 --> 02:52:21,000
Thank you, thank you, your worship. Just for a clarification, the proposed sign design is consistent with the existing signs in terms of the way it's lit, in terms of either mall patrons or not patrons, but tenants.

1776
02:52:21,140 --> 02:52:29,940
It is. Likely, little ceasers, each individual letter is assigned and it's illuminated from behind.

1777
02:52:29,940 --> 02:52:36,540
So, drive test, which is also illustrated in this report, shows a different type of sign

1778
02:52:36,540 --> 02:52:42,000
where the letters are painted on an illuminated panel.

1779
02:52:44,220 --> 02:52:49,900
So, Dolorama also in the mall has similar type channel letters.

1780
02:52:51,620 --> 02:52:59,460
So it is both types are in the mall, but this channel lettering is more common.

1781
02:52:59,460 --> 02:53:16,680
I would say. Okay. Thank you for clarifying. Okay. Any other questions? Thank you. So, if we would like to move on to 6.1.3, planning building Q3 report.

1782
02:53:18,180 --> 02:53:19,380
Thank you, Your Worship.

1783
02:53:22,070 --> 02:53:22,710
So, Q3.

1784
02:53:24,450 --> 02:53:33,590
Q3 has been busy mostly for our building department as one would expect it being the tail

1785
02:53:33,590 --> 02:53:34,590
end of summer.

1786
02:53:36,330 --> 02:53:45,470
We have seen a lot of permits issued, a lot of construction activity taking place.

1787
02:53:45,470 --> 02:53:53,870
At the end of the report, I do have a summary of our annual permit activity by month.

1788
02:53:54,470 --> 02:54:02,390
So you can see that already by the end of September, we have exceeded the amount of building

1789
02:54:02,390 --> 02:54:09,310
activity when comparing to all of 2024.

1790
02:54:09,310 --> 02:54:34,310
So in the first nine months of 2025, we have seen work valued at over $76 million worth of improvements and new buildings to buildings in the Canora area, so that that is a success story from our point of view.

1791
02:54:34,310 --> 02:54:43,950
We're seeing some of the highlights, I do have a picture of the one

1792
02:54:49,900 --> 02:54:56,900
of the buildings that's under construction on lot 15, which was part of the mill property.

1793
02:54:57,580 --> 02:55:04,760
So not everyone would see this building because it's tucked away behind the armories up on that hill.

1794
02:55:04,760 --> 02:55:14,160
So, there is a picture in the Q3 report showing that building, that is a 24-unit, affordable housing project.

1795
02:55:14,600 --> 02:55:22,560
Some of the other high-profile developments that you will see when you're driving around Canora.

1796
02:55:23,180 --> 02:55:29,780
Windhack's building is going up and that will make a huge difference to our downtown.

1797
02:55:29,780 --> 02:55:39,860
also the Kenore vet clinic is working on their foundation out on the West Highway.

1798
02:55:40,340 --> 02:55:45,360
There is a new foundation for a commercial laundry that's coming up.

1799
02:55:45,560 --> 02:55:52,900
So we are seeing signs of progress within the region.

1800
02:55:52,900 --> 02:55:59,860
I also wanted to draw your attention to our new secondary dwelling unit guide.

1801
02:56:00,890 --> 02:56:07,480
This has been a project that planning and building have been working together on and it

1802
02:56:07,480 --> 02:56:16,420
is a resource for homeowners who are interested in putting secondary dwellings on their properties

1803
02:56:16,420 --> 02:56:25,600
and helping them navigate the new rules and trying to facilitate that gentle

1804
02:56:25,600 --> 02:56:34,060
infill of our city. So that will be available on our website and we've also

1805
02:56:34,060 --> 02:56:39,240
included a copy for council. I believe it's with our development services report

1806
02:56:39,240 --> 02:56:48,380
later. We also had water quality monitoring complete for Black Surgeon Lake and it had

1807
02:56:48,380 --> 02:56:52,880
a clean bill of health, so I'd be happy to answer any questions.

1808
02:56:55,810 --> 02:56:56,790
Any questions, Council?

1809
02:56:57,670 --> 02:57:03,500
No? Okay. Thank you very much. I'm correct with the bill from here.

1810
02:57:05,560 --> 02:57:13,020
So our chief Howard is away this week, so his two reports I'm happy to speak to both of

1811
02:57:13,020 --> 02:57:16,300
them if you'd like to move on to fire an emergency services?

1812
02:57:16,780 --> 02:57:19,140
Yeah, why don't we deal with those?

1813
02:57:19,380 --> 02:57:20,840
And then you can break?

1814
02:57:21,160 --> 02:57:21,380
Sure.

1815
02:57:21,740 --> 02:57:21,980
Okay.

1816
02:57:22,580 --> 02:57:23,240
Oh, thanks.

1817
02:57:24,300 --> 02:57:24,780
Sure.

1818
02:57:24,940 --> 02:57:26,180
I'll be able to do that.

1819
02:57:26,360 --> 02:57:26,760
Sorry.

1820
02:57:30,190 --> 02:57:31,390
Council Committee update.

1821
02:57:31,610 --> 02:57:31,950
Sure.

1822
02:57:32,330 --> 02:57:32,470
Yeah.

1823
02:57:33,310 --> 02:57:33,710
If you wish.

1824
02:57:34,850 --> 02:57:42,450
Well, why don't we go around and do that around the table and then maybe provide an opportunity

1825
02:57:42,450 --> 02:57:46,250
for Councillor Moncrife when she re-emerges in the meeting.

1826
02:57:46,690 --> 02:57:46,890
That's all.

1827
02:57:47,590 --> 02:57:47,670
Okay.

1828
02:57:48,030 --> 02:57:48,190
Okay.

1829
02:57:48,410 --> 02:57:50,050
I'll move to council committee update that.

1830
02:57:50,250 --> 02:57:54,410
I just have one quick question for Janice here, sorry, Janice, I just want to take you

1831
02:57:54,410 --> 02:57:54,530
on.

1832
02:57:54,670 --> 02:58:02,050
I just, you're a reporter under notices, notice a motion, progress or updates, the harbor town

1833
02:58:02,050 --> 02:58:06,790
zoning and then just you're calling his planning division continues to record zoning issues

1834
02:58:06,790 --> 02:58:11,310
and concerns for inclusion in the new official plan zoning by-law review.

1835
02:58:11,310 --> 02:58:17,390
Can you, at high level, what those concerns, issues and concerns are?

1836
02:58:18,510 --> 02:58:19,050
For the harbor?

1837
02:58:19,650 --> 02:58:23,830
Yeah, for the notices and what, it's concerning the notice of motion.

1838
02:58:24,690 --> 02:58:26,070
Harbor Town's owning amendments.

1839
02:58:28,200 --> 02:58:36,800
So we are looking at some proposed changes to our zoning by-law to address concerns in

1840
02:58:36,800 --> 02:58:43,320
Harbor Town Centre, what we are hearing, what we heard through our outreach, a real desire

1841
02:58:43,320 --> 02:59:01,200
to re-energize our downtown, keeping with the retail focus and really looking at place-making

1842
02:59:01,200 --> 02:59:10,360
and creating a retail space that attracts people and activities and business and the

1843
02:59:10,360 --> 02:59:17,400
making of a real commerce hub. So we are looking at ways that we can change our zoning

1844
02:59:17,400 --> 02:59:24,700
and to preserve that focus of downtown. So we'll be getting more detail on that.

1845
02:59:25,320 --> 02:59:30,720
A lot of that is going to come forward through the zoning amendments. So right now we are

1846
02:59:30,720 --> 02:59:37,360
working with our consultant on finalizing the official plan that gives us

1847
02:59:37,360 --> 02:59:43,140
the foundation but in background my team is working on going through the

1848
02:59:43,140 --> 02:59:49,960
zoning by-law from beginning to end and it'll be in compliance with the new

1849
02:59:49,960 --> 02:59:56,220
official plan but also looking at a lot of changes are going to be proposed for

1850
02:59:56,860 --> 02:59:59,980
Yeah, I just want, because I just mind all this emotion, that...

1851
03:00:00,370 --> 03:00:27,650
Concerning, I think, I even talked about commercial special zones with some other communities, with an emphasis, assuming that the point is an emphasis on retail and a vibrant business, you know, vibrant businesses in the downtown core. So I just wanted to note that for the public's information because I've had people come up to you and ask me about that. I'm sure we've all got most questions about, so what's going on?

1852
03:00:27,650 --> 03:00:28,910
As we see more

1853
03:00:30,070 --> 03:00:32,250
services in the downtown core

1854
03:00:34,450 --> 03:00:40,250
Less businesses and more services. I would say people are concerned and that was my my concern

1855
03:00:40,930 --> 03:00:45,370
Hence the the motion so so thanks for the update Janice and we'll look forward

1856
03:00:46,250 --> 03:00:48,570
Hearing about your progress. No, thanks

1857
03:00:49,510 --> 03:00:51,090
Thanks, man. Thank you

1858
03:00:51,870 --> 03:00:54,790
So we are going to move over to

1859
03:00:54,790 --> 03:01:05,950
to 6.5 corporate services finance human resources and we will begin with 6.5.1 so we have Council

1860
03:01:05,950 --> 03:01:12,370
Committee workup date so depending on how long was that maybe I'll start over to my

1861
03:01:12,370 --> 03:01:17,290
right so we can get the councilor bowing them before she has to.

1862
03:01:20,050 --> 03:01:21,530
So I'll start with Councillor

1863
03:01:21,530 --> 03:01:22,790
We're announcing, please.

1864
03:01:23,130 --> 03:01:23,850
I'll be really quick.

1865
03:01:23,850 --> 03:01:27,670
I just want to remind everybody that Friday is the main street

1866
03:01:27,670 --> 03:01:28,330
tree lighting.

1867
03:01:29,250 --> 03:01:32,230
And on Sunday is Q8 tree lighting.

1868
03:01:32,990 --> 03:01:35,670
And on the 29th, we have Festival of Trees.

1869
03:01:36,110 --> 03:01:38,190
And I think they're pretty well sold out.

1870
03:01:38,650 --> 03:01:40,790
And then the Kinsman parade on the same night.

1871
03:01:45,520 --> 03:01:47,080
OK, OK, thank you.

1872
03:01:47,540 --> 03:01:50,360
OK, so we'll start with last week.

1873
03:01:50,440 --> 03:01:55,080
I attended the joint OAPS Ontario Association of Police

1874
03:01:55,080 --> 03:01:59,640
Service Boards and Ontario Association of Chiefs of Police, Fall Meeting.

1875
03:02:00,460 --> 03:02:05,600
The major theme suggests across police services and municipal representatives who are housing,

1876
03:02:06,280 --> 03:02:07,040
recruitment pressure.

1877
03:02:07,300 --> 03:02:08,720
This is like, you know, everywhere.

1878
03:02:09,300 --> 03:02:12,980
And the ongoing challenge is related to the transition to the new Community Safety and

1879
03:02:12,980 --> 03:02:13,740
Policing Act.

1880
03:02:14,880 --> 03:02:22,700
And one part that I'm sort of interested around is NAPS, Nishinavi Aski Nation Policing Services

1881
03:02:22,700 --> 03:02:31,460
is has joined the Community Safety Policing Act, which means they are only going to be

1882
03:02:31,460 --> 03:02:35,940
like a provincial police force essentially, so that federal provincial funding agreement

1883
03:02:35,940 --> 03:02:40,580
that we have with like 3D3 does not apply to NAFTS, but it means that they have to adhere

1884
03:02:40,580 --> 03:02:44,900
to the CSPA. So they're going through that transition right now, but it's something that

1885
03:02:44,900 --> 03:02:51,020
I'm sort of watching they were talking about. As I know we've seen funding challenges here

1886
03:02:51,020 --> 03:02:54,740
with having agreements between those two levels of government regarding Treaty 3.

1887
03:02:56,140 --> 03:03:04,440
So there's multiple presenters and then there was a not surprisingly significant conversation

1888
03:03:04,440 --> 03:03:08,420
around the increasing demands being placed on police services due to social issues rather

1889
03:03:08,420 --> 03:03:09,800
than strictly criminal matters.

1890
03:03:10,380 --> 03:03:15,900
So a number of speakers emphasize the widening gap between community expectations and police

1891
03:03:15,900 --> 03:03:22,820
resources and we've seen this here obviously and even some things recently which include

1892
03:03:22,820 --> 03:03:28,140
the strain caused by court security requirements. So now the police are being required to provide

1893
03:03:28,140 --> 03:03:34,860
security to the courts where we're already seeing extreme staffing challenges in many community

1894
03:03:36,140 --> 03:03:39,960
and then the need for improved coordination between social services and policing.

1895
03:03:41,160 --> 03:03:48,000
minister Kursner joined remotely and asked for questions. So he took my

1896
03:03:48,000 --> 03:03:48,900
opportunity.

1897
03:03:52,420 --> 03:03:56,060
I was incredible. And he was like, I think your

1898
03:03:56,060 --> 03:03:58,740
bears coming tomorrow. I was like, that man hates to see me coming.

1899
03:04:00,400 --> 03:04:04,440
But one thing I did highlight with him is just one of the data points that

1900
03:04:04,440 --> 03:04:12,080
we're seeing at in the Canora OPP Detachment Board is the significant year-over-year increase

1901
03:04:12,080 --> 03:04:18,540
in youth interactions with police in Canora and highlighting, again, the provincial leadership

1902
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needed to support upstream solutions, particularly in areas outside the municipal jurisdiction.

1903
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I emphasize sort of like our community safety well-being plan and our committee and the

1904
03:04:34,180 --> 03:04:39,900
per view and needs to be crossman that is dearly funded again and I did follow up with

1905
03:04:39,900 --> 03:04:45,360
an email to him and his policy staff member who was on the call as well.

1906
03:04:46,760 --> 03:04:51,380
So overall the meeting highlighted the need for continued advocacy on recruitment, sustainable

1907
03:04:51,380 --> 03:04:57,140
funding, and stronger provincial partnerships, especially when it came to supporting vulnerable

1908
03:04:57,140 --> 03:05:02,160
youth and relieving police services of responsibilities better suited to community and health partners.

1909
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When we were able to hear the last one was from the Executive Director of the Municipal Chiefs of Police.

1910
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No, Manitoba, Chiefs of Police.

1911
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And they are having a lot of success redirecting the funds that policing are receiving.

1912
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Because they're seeing increased pressures on their demands.

1913
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Because essentially we are using the police as the response team for everything at this point obviously.

1914
03:05:30,160 --> 03:05:34,740
And so they, in Manitoba, what they're doing is increasing their, we wrote it down.

1915
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They've increased it like a hundred mental health support workers who go on calls with police.

1916
03:05:42,880 --> 03:05:45,160
And then work through those models.

1917
03:05:45,160 --> 03:05:51,180
So it's more focused on making sure that they're redirecting the funding from policing to social services,

1918
03:05:51,420 --> 03:05:55,400
to health care, to housing, to the areas to sort of prevent the strains that they're seeing.

1919
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So we did offer to join Manitoba again.

1920
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I don't know if I had the authority to do that at that meeting, but it's something that

1921
03:06:04,800 --> 03:06:09,960
I think that we're really seeing is we do have good relationships amongst our, you

1922
03:06:09,960 --> 03:06:13,100
know, people have relationships or whatever, but if there's not like any policy framework

1923
03:06:13,100 --> 03:06:21,060
to sort of solidify how this all works together, then we're going to keep seeing this over-reliance

1924
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on police for issues that they can't solve.

1925
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They're just going to be reacting.

1926
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That's what their job is.

1927
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It's a reactionary service.

1928
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It's there for emergencies.

1929
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And it's being overburdened because we've underfunded all

1930
03:06:33,320 --> 03:06:37,240
of the upstream measures that are putting this in the situation.

1931
03:06:37,600 --> 03:06:41,660
So just also to highlight, so our OPP detachment board was canceled

1932
03:06:41,660 --> 03:06:46,000
for November, excuse me, our detachment commanders are away.

1933
03:06:46,780 --> 03:06:48,760
So we will meet again in January.

1934
03:06:48,760 --> 03:06:51,400
We'll have our elections in January.

1935
03:06:51,400 --> 03:07:00,800
Tom Jervet is going to join the meeting to discuss the O-reg and then we'll have a lot

1936
03:07:00,800 --> 03:07:06,580
of things on the agenda, we'll probably just pass some of it off, we'll have to update

1937
03:07:06,580 --> 03:07:12,540
our, we'll have to do our detachment commander review and we've got a couple of questions

1938
03:07:12,540 --> 03:07:14,060
we need to address as well.

1939
03:07:14,540 --> 03:07:19,620
And then we also had our accessibility advisor committee, I just wanted to highlight some

1940
03:07:19,620 --> 03:07:35,100
The way that this committee is working is we're really focusing on, as you sort of saw with the website design as integrating accessibility features into how we are creating new spaces for city of Canora projects.

1941
03:07:35,100 --> 03:07:56,780
So, we did talk about the walking track slope raise issues at the City of Canora Rec Center, or sorry, Monk Reef Construction Sports Center, highlighted just the Sports Center temporary entry, there is a ramp there, and then they do have a like a chair to sort of get down.

1942
03:07:57,500 --> 03:08:00,640
The Queuing Elevator project is underway.

1943
03:08:01,260 --> 03:08:04,040
That's to get you to the main viewing area,

1944
03:08:04,680 --> 03:08:06,540
or the main floor to the viewing area.

1945
03:08:07,120 --> 03:08:11,800
And that will be finalized in the spring, I think it was.

1946
03:08:13,300 --> 03:08:16,380
Railway Street Phase 4.

1947
03:08:16,660 --> 03:08:20,700
We will be brought back in to sort of discuss sidewalk

1948
03:08:20,700 --> 03:08:26,180
and rest area integrations.

1949
03:08:29,940 --> 03:08:35,460
is some active transportation updates, Norman Park docking plan, I'll highlight this one.

1950
03:08:35,600 --> 03:08:39,780
So the Norman, there is a plan to put in docs at the Norman Park.

1951
03:08:40,360 --> 03:08:46,720
They are just waiting for hospital docs to be finalized and then work should be started

1952
03:08:46,720 --> 03:08:52,520
soon, but it's just going to be connected to the grass right now, but it is something that

1953
03:08:52,520 --> 03:08:58,640
And it is on our mind that we will be connecting it to the surface area once the docs are installed.

1954
03:08:58,880 --> 03:09:02,180
So it's just, I have, I just wanted to highlight like we're getting all of these projects,

1955
03:09:02,200 --> 03:09:09,940
what the goal is of, what are they called now in engineering, no, operations and infrastructure.

1956
03:09:10,340 --> 03:09:10,840
Thank you.

1957
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Is to make sure that the committee's being brought in at the 30% design phase to call out those

1958
03:09:17,140 --> 03:09:20,240
things that are, you know, we only know what we know.

1959
03:09:20,240 --> 03:09:29,780
and then we are already working on our national accessibility week plan so we

1960
03:09:29,780 --> 03:09:33,840
did the flag last year as you all remember that the schools did the

1961
03:09:33,840 --> 03:09:37,740
contest for and there's a lot of great submissions but thanks to Director

1962
03:09:37,740 --> 03:09:46,200
Gander for your quick response we are gonna go in a community wide direction this

1963
03:09:46,200 --> 03:09:51,700
year and so we're looking at probably doing a sticker contest to get people to

1964
03:09:51,700 --> 03:09:55,500
design stickers for highlighting national accessibility week because there's a

1965
03:09:55,500 --> 03:10:02,020
big uptick with the like community what are they called like the poll like

1966
03:10:02,020 --> 03:10:07,520
those Chris yeah the banners the banners and those were such a huge success so

1967
03:10:07,520 --> 03:10:11,120
we're thinking rather than having something that replaces that flag every year

1968
03:10:13,020 --> 03:10:16,880
That's where we're going with that. That's all I got. That's all I'm doing.

1969
03:10:18,960 --> 03:10:25,540
Do you want to just keep going now? Okay, Councillor Bray. Just a couple of quick updates.

1970
03:10:26,840 --> 03:10:31,480
Biz, I think I gave an update on my, on the Biz Committee a while ago. We have met since.

1971
03:10:31,860 --> 03:10:36,560
But the overwhelming concern in addition to just the business of the Biz, some of the projects

1972
03:10:36,560 --> 03:10:44,060
that local businesses are supporting was downtown safety and I mean director

1973
03:10:44,060 --> 03:10:49,660
brain is report and I talked about the vandalism it's they go hand in hand I

1974
03:10:49,660 --> 03:10:53,600
think these two issues so it's it's a it's a concern for local businesses for

1975
03:10:53,600 --> 03:11:00,440
sure one of the things that was it was it was impressed on me is the safety the

1976
03:11:00,440 --> 03:11:10,720
feeling of being unsafe for staff closing up businesses at 5 o'clock, 5.30, oftentimes female

1977
03:11:10,720 --> 03:11:16,740
staff, young staff that are being tasked with closing businesses up and feeling unsafe,

1978
03:11:16,980 --> 03:11:25,580
walking to vehicles after. So this is something that I really think that we can address and we'll

1979
03:11:25,580 --> 03:11:31,500
have this conversation at another table. But, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's a real

1980
03:11:31,500 --> 03:11:36,640
dichotomy, I feel, where we're trying to attract business to the downtown core. We're,

1981
03:11:36,640 --> 03:11:40,800
we're doing, you know, we're, we're trying to, as I said, attract business, we're doing

1982
03:11:40,800 --> 03:11:45,620
events in the downtown core, yet the people that are working in the downtown core don't feel

1983
03:11:45,620 --> 03:11:51,000
safe. You don't feel safe in the morning going to, to their businesses in darkness, and they

1984
03:11:51,000 --> 03:11:52,400
don't feel safe closing up at night.

1985
03:11:52,400 --> 03:12:01,740
So, it's an issue that I intend to certainly flag and I know possibly bring up with OPP

1986
03:12:01,740 --> 03:12:06,780
command staff here in Canora because I know there are targeted patrols that are done

1987
03:12:06,780 --> 03:12:07,320
in each day.

1988
03:12:07,900 --> 03:12:12,920
School zones are just a given where officers and cruisers will go out and they'll do school

1989
03:12:12,920 --> 03:12:18,440
patrol in the morning and there's even a dark code for a daily activity report code for

1990
03:12:18,440 --> 03:12:18,980
school patrol.

1991
03:12:18,980 --> 03:12:26,340
So I'm hoping that this can be done, perhaps it was suggested 430 to 530 whatever to do

1992
03:12:26,340 --> 03:12:33,840
patrol in the downtown core because it's really an unacceptable situation where business

1993
03:12:33,840 --> 03:12:41,880
staff, business owners, as I say sometimes young female staff or teenage staff are feeling

1994
03:12:41,880 --> 03:12:46,940
unsafe because they're closing businesses up in the dark now that the time changes happened

1995
03:12:46,940 --> 03:12:47,960
and we're into the fall and winter.

1996
03:12:47,960 --> 03:12:53,000
So hopefully that can be addressed, but that was a major concern that was addressed during the the bus meeting

1997
03:12:54,520 --> 03:12:57,120
the the Northwestern health unit

1998
03:12:57,120 --> 03:13:04,820
We have a meeting on Monday actually, so I don't really have a lot to update but we did get an update that the

1999
03:13:04,820 --> 03:13:16,720
Office in Sunaro is is going to be closed. I believe the notice was in the new year the office in Sunaro is going to be closed and it was for various reasons the cost of the keeping the building open the rent

2000
03:13:17,320 --> 03:13:24,540
the volume of, you know, service that's being provided there, so that there's a decision

2001
03:13:24,540 --> 03:13:31,140
made to close the office, but still provide services and, you know, mobile services to

2002
03:13:31,140 --> 03:13:38,200
that area in scenarios. As I say, I'll have more to update next meeting, since we're meeting

2003
03:13:38,200 --> 03:13:39,740
on Monday, but that's it. Thanks.

2004
03:13:43,060 --> 03:13:45,240
I have no update at this time in a year or so now.

2005
03:13:53,140 --> 03:13:54,800
I also have no update, thanks.

2006
03:13:56,860 --> 03:14:04,100
I don't mind if, sorry, I'm not going on, but I'm in the, I left the meeting as a result

2007
03:14:04,100 --> 03:14:08,780
of moving the meeting, it's conflicting with the district services board meeting and

2008
03:14:09,280 --> 03:14:13,140
I'll be leaving again here in about 15 minutes to rejoin it.

2009
03:14:13,280 --> 03:14:18,040
They're in the middle of budget discussions, and I don't want to miss that, so I don't have a committee.

2010
03:14:18,860 --> 03:14:22,440
They're on lunch, yeah, so they laugh, but thanks, sorry.

2011
03:14:23,560 --> 03:14:31,600
Yeah, just a couple of things, we have the tree lighting this Friday.

2012
03:14:31,600 --> 03:14:43,140
you mentioned the Kinsman Parade next Saturday evening. Also I'm going to put a

2013
03:14:43,140 --> 03:14:46,560
pitch in there that next Wednesday and that the Christmas tree's arrived in

2014
03:14:46,560 --> 03:14:54,360
town the ones that Kinsman sells and that so and they're limited in numbers because

2015
03:14:54,360 --> 03:14:59,240
we're not able to get the kind of numbers that we used to order.

2016
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:17,120
Just because of the, it's across the industry and that where there's shortages so they are limited. And also the lighting of the, or the tree or the lighting ceremony in Kuwait and on Sunday.

2017
03:15:19,140 --> 03:15:29,800
Pardon? Yeah, this Sunday. It's in our calendar and that. So just a couple of things. Just to let you know to and that.

2018
03:15:29,800 --> 03:15:32,780
But I guess I've been away more than I've been here.

2019
03:15:34,160 --> 03:15:41,120
I'm kind of too proud thing last week I was in Toronto for a couple of things, but mainly

2020
03:15:41,120 --> 03:15:49,100
for KDMA and had quite an interesting meeting with the Slyster General.

2021
03:15:49,520 --> 03:15:56,480
But I was there representing not only Canora, but all nine municipalities for KDMA.

2022
03:15:57,620 --> 03:16:04,980
And we all, like maybe not to the same extent, but we all have similar issues, complaints,

2023
03:16:05,920 --> 03:16:06,360
concerns.

2024
03:16:07,840 --> 03:16:16,420
But there was a lot of talk about, you know, we're going through the costing mechanism.

2025
03:16:16,660 --> 03:16:21,980
So that was brought up again, that, you know, we thought we submitted a good proposal, which

2026
03:16:21,980 --> 03:16:28,180
It really would have helped not only this community, but 31 other communities across the province.

2027
03:16:28,900 --> 03:16:32,780
Whether they take heed to that, I guess we'll find out.

2028
03:16:33,220 --> 03:16:39,400
They weren't forthcoming with a lot of information there, which suggests to me that they're not, they don't have it yet.

2029
03:16:39,760 --> 03:16:48,200
They're not ready, but they were also told that they better get on it, or do something because they're holding up.

2030
03:16:48,200 --> 03:16:56,060
Minus penalty budgets everywhere across the province right now they're they're stalled on the operating side because it's such a big piece

2031
03:16:56,060 --> 03:16:58,320
And that's our issue here right now

2032
03:16:58,320 --> 03:17:02,660
We don't know what to put into that what the numbers supposed to be

2033
03:17:03,240 --> 03:17:06,000
Which could be problematic for us going forward

2034
03:17:07,120 --> 03:17:11,120
Brought the community safety officers and I said just take a chance

2035
03:17:12,240 --> 03:17:15,140
Why don't you use this as a guinea pig a pilot?

2036
03:17:15,140 --> 03:17:20,740
But because they brought up other provinces and I said, yeah, we know about that.

2037
03:17:21,520 --> 03:17:27,240
But let's, why do we have to, just because no one else has it in Ontario, why do we have

2038
03:17:27,240 --> 03:17:29,600
to wait for this Toronto centric stuff?

2039
03:17:30,240 --> 03:17:36,380
Why don't you let us try and put something together and put a full-fledged proposal in and

2040
03:17:36,380 --> 03:17:40,800
we even have a department that would look at kind of overseeing that piece.

2041
03:17:40,800 --> 03:17:50,580
And then it taught, you know, there's data that shows that it takes a lot of pressure off law enforcement where they can do other things.

2042
03:17:51,040 --> 03:18:01,940
You know, where they, you know, they not only react, but they're proactive in that they can do other things that way to prevent, you know, crime or whatever it may be.

2043
03:18:02,620 --> 03:18:06,800
And then we talked about the LCBO thing, and Thunder Bay,

2044
03:18:07,180 --> 03:18:10,200
Sula Code, or Canora want to try it.

2045
03:18:10,920 --> 03:18:14,980
It's a test pilot if it doesn't work or it needs to be adjusted.

2046
03:18:15,420 --> 03:18:16,300
So what?

2047
03:18:16,680 --> 03:18:20,000
Because they do that all the time with government programs.

2048
03:18:20,360 --> 03:18:21,660
They have to adjust things.

2049
03:18:22,460 --> 03:18:25,020
So we're really pushing that again.

2050
03:18:25,680 --> 03:18:30,520
And like I don't know what other information on that one to provide.

2051
03:18:30,520 --> 03:18:36,220
because they've got more than enough data and it's being tossed around and moved

2052
03:18:36,220 --> 03:18:43,200
around from this ministry to that ministry but I think it's kind of time to make a

2053
03:18:43,200 --> 03:18:49,080
decision. It's not a legislated decision, it's a stroke of a pen decision. So

2054
03:18:49,080 --> 03:18:54,600
like that's what they're there for to make those changes. So really had an

2055
03:18:54,600 --> 03:18:59,660
interesting discussion about that and the other one was off sale liquor.

2056
03:18:59,660 --> 03:19:10,620
like sales. They need to go back and look at their regulations and legislation and they

2057
03:19:10,620 --> 03:19:17,100
can't just put these things in place and then let us ground because that's what we're

2058
03:19:17,100 --> 03:19:25,060
doing. So the data is being put together for, you know, what the effects are, like, I

2059
03:19:25,060 --> 03:19:34,760
Safeways or one, you know, the grocery store issue now, the one downtown, the service station where they sell it.

2060
03:19:35,220 --> 03:19:39,220
We see it all the time, all of us. It can't be hidden anymore.

2061
03:19:40,580 --> 03:19:54,360
But it's expanding out, but it's not only us, it's other communities that have some of these licenses that have been released out into the public and awarded.

2062
03:19:54,360 --> 03:20:12,260
They're having problems everywhere, again, it's not just a conor problem, it's become a problem like not even in just Northwest Ontario in the outline areas, and I think our city she hears it all the time in her meetings with colleagues.

2063
03:20:13,840 --> 03:20:23,900
So we need to have the ability to at least question things or maybe even what would help us right now.

2064
03:20:23,900 --> 03:20:29,980
that is setting hours at least we're not going to get rid of the legislation but they

2065
03:20:29,980 --> 03:20:36,320
can at least provide us with some tools that we can utilize at the municipal level in

2066
03:20:36,320 --> 03:20:42,560
order to you know stem the problems that are having because I said you know we're talking

2067
03:20:42,560 --> 03:20:49,000
about bringing solutions to reduce calls for service we go too forward and we're going

2068
03:20:49,000 --> 03:20:55,140
six back because every time you turn around and implement something, it hits us right there.

2069
03:20:56,100 --> 03:21:02,660
And this is like three or four things now that have come back to hit us. So you're not helping us.

2070
03:21:02,840 --> 03:21:05,940
So when you think we're getting a rebate and we're getting this, we're getting that,

2071
03:21:06,820 --> 03:21:13,480
that's not even helping, that's not even doing what we need it to do because our costs are going

2072
03:21:13,480 --> 03:21:23,540
up anyways. It's just like you know and I go use the the whole thing about the like when cannabis

2073
03:21:23,540 --> 03:21:31,840
came out at least the federal government for for fault in not to begin with provided municipalities

2074
03:21:31,840 --> 03:21:37,900
with a feedback some opportunity. There's no feedback with this. It's just we're doing it.

2075
03:21:39,080 --> 03:21:46,700
So we have a bit of flexibility on the cannabis thing or whatever.

2076
03:21:47,080 --> 03:21:55,060
I still think we have too many stores in town, but having said that, we do have some ability to control that somehow.

2077
03:21:55,640 --> 03:22:03,400
And we should for lecker, and I know the thing came up about, well, you should help them move the store.

2078
03:22:03,400 --> 03:22:09,640
And I said, we did everything, but hand, we literally offered them free property, valuable

2079
03:22:09,640 --> 03:22:10,380
property.

2080
03:22:11,080 --> 03:22:20,520
And we got some canned response back from the Ministry of Finance that they owned the

2081
03:22:20,520 --> 03:22:20,800
building.

2082
03:22:20,980 --> 03:22:21,860
Well, I don't care.

2083
03:22:22,000 --> 03:22:25,580
The government owns lots of buildings, sell it for giving you another one.

2084
03:22:25,780 --> 03:22:27,220
Someone would buy it for something.

2085
03:22:27,720 --> 03:22:32,960
That's not a reasonable and rational reason not to do or look at something.

2086
03:22:32,960 --> 03:22:35,040
and their growth square foot.

2087
03:22:35,340 --> 03:22:38,060
So it's all about profit and dump,

2088
03:22:38,520 --> 03:22:41,020
like these things on Canoran, that's what they're doing.

2089
03:22:41,600 --> 03:22:43,780
And that's really where the discussion went

2090
03:22:43,780 --> 03:22:45,540
and it didn't go well near the end

2091
03:22:45,540 --> 03:22:50,840
because it, like there was a lot of banter back and forth.

2092
03:22:51,080 --> 03:22:53,840
Like we can't keep coming and talking about these things

2093
03:22:54,320 --> 03:22:55,340
and getting nowhere.

2094
03:22:56,100 --> 03:22:58,480
Like what else are we going to do?

2095
03:22:58,800 --> 03:23:01,340
Like it just, and some of these things,

2096
03:23:01,340 --> 03:23:07,100
And regardless of who would be placing our community, they would still be problems.

2097
03:23:08,040 --> 03:23:11,820
And we've been talking about them, and we need to address them.

2098
03:23:12,000 --> 03:23:18,220
So hopefully we can get to a point where they continue on.

2099
03:23:18,380 --> 03:23:23,640
But the South New and Am going to a KDMA meeting, so I have to slip out for a bit.

2100
03:23:26,240 --> 03:23:27,940
And we're going to talk about that.

2101
03:23:28,020 --> 03:23:29,800
We're going to talk about strategies going forward.

2102
03:23:29,800 --> 03:23:45,480
because if that's not going to solve some of the problems we have, we need to look at Plan B, C, and D, and some of those plans aren't going to be politically correct.

2103
03:23:48,340 --> 03:24:00,400
And while they're not, and we have to send a message, because 20 some million dollars in, you know, for sewer and water, and I know it's a different budget and everything else.

2104
03:24:00,400 --> 03:24:06,380
But we've got all these pressures on us to get this done to grow, to do all these things.

2105
03:24:06,960 --> 03:24:14,000
And we're getting killed by external agencies, like, you know, it's not going to be long

2106
03:24:14,000 --> 03:24:15,180
where it's going to be half our budget.

2107
03:24:15,960 --> 03:24:17,120
And we can't afford it.

2108
03:24:17,200 --> 03:24:19,380
Like we should not be paying for public health.

2109
03:24:19,740 --> 03:24:21,720
It is mandated from the province.

2110
03:24:21,960 --> 03:24:24,380
Why is a local taxpayer paying for that?

2111
03:24:24,380 --> 03:24:31,240
But why are we paying for day care, whatever, that we got out of the, or childcare, we got

2112
03:24:31,240 --> 03:24:31,760
out of that.

2113
03:24:31,940 --> 03:24:33,640
We shouldn't be contributing any of that.

2114
03:24:33,760 --> 03:24:38,180
If a government wants to put a program in, then you should be able to afford to pay

2115
03:24:38,180 --> 03:24:38,580
for that.

2116
03:24:39,140 --> 03:24:45,060
It should not be on our tax dollars, it's important, but it should not be in our purview.

2117
03:24:45,520 --> 03:24:51,900
We can go on and on and on about all these things, and hopefully we get some resolution on

2118
03:24:51,900 --> 03:24:57,580
a couple of these items, but how many more years and how many more mayors and how many

2119
03:24:57,580 --> 03:25:03,380
more councils are going to be talking about police costs because it's been a topic

2120
03:25:03,380 --> 03:25:11,980
of discussion since 2012 I think. That's 13 years. Come on. We need to spend our time

2121
03:25:11,980 --> 03:25:20,980
focus on other initiatives and some of these good programs that we've put forward as like

2122
03:25:20,980 --> 03:25:24,740
with groups of people that are going to make things better.

2123
03:25:24,960 --> 03:25:31,080
And we talk about it in every meeting about the problems, and we provide solutions, and

2124
03:25:31,080 --> 03:25:37,580
they get stalled out in a bureaucracy that's so big in Toronto that no one even knows who

2125
03:25:37,580 --> 03:25:43,740
works where, and so they don't know where to send things to, and that become quite evident.

2126
03:25:43,740 --> 03:25:50,920
more and more, every time you meet with staff, no one seems to know who's doing what.

2127
03:25:52,080 --> 03:25:53,780
And they're, well, we'll check into it.

2128
03:25:53,900 --> 03:25:56,200
Well, they said that six months ago and six months ago.

2129
03:25:56,380 --> 03:26:04,980
So, anyways, it was an interesting meeting, just like next week and not just kind of tied

2130
03:26:04,980 --> 03:26:13,220
in with over the last month or so, we've been setting up meetings with federal ministers.

2131
03:26:13,220 --> 03:26:23,740
to begin that dialogue on the campus care because there's a funding gap, quite a large one, actually.

2132
03:26:26,660 --> 03:26:31,500
But there's lots of pieces to that project, and there's lots of money out there.

2133
03:26:31,700 --> 03:26:34,480
And if we're not there, we're not going to get anything.

2134
03:26:34,960 --> 03:26:39,400
I don't care who writes a letter where it's a big country.

2135
03:26:39,400 --> 03:26:45,320
So we've made contact with ministers, we're getting follow-up calls now, and we're going

2136
03:26:45,320 --> 03:26:51,960
to meet with the housing or parliamentary assistant for housing and infrastructure at the

2137
03:26:51,960 --> 03:26:58,500
federal level where all the cash is, like there's billions now, well, once the budget's passed,

2138
03:26:58,860 --> 03:27:06,500
and then some into the future, we need to tell our story and, you know, from the report

2139
03:27:06,500 --> 03:27:10,460
that we have there. That's what they want to see. That's what we're going to

2140
03:27:10,460 --> 03:27:16,720
provide. And we we're looking for funding to help develop some of these areas.

2141
03:27:17,200 --> 03:27:22,840
They want housing. We'll give them housing. We have people ready to go. But we have a huge

2142
03:27:22,840 --> 03:27:30,020
cost to get to a foundation. So anyways, that's part of that and tied in with the

2143
03:27:31,120 --> 03:27:38,640
KCA and such so that hopefully after that there'll be one more minister at some

2144
03:27:38,640 --> 03:27:42,380
point and we're actually looking to set up a meeting with the prime minister

2145
03:27:43,040 --> 03:27:47,880
because they suggest that he would he it would be good for him to hear our plan

2146
03:27:47,880 --> 03:27:56,700
our story like as the partnership on that and with KCA the hospital and all the

2147
03:27:56,700 --> 03:28:01,160
other partners involved. Again, that's what they're looking for. It checks off

2148
03:28:01,160 --> 03:28:04,980
some of the boxes. We're going to give it to them. We already have it about, they

2149
03:28:04,980 --> 03:28:13,360
don't need to, you can probably use it as a template for other areas of the

2150
03:28:13,360 --> 03:28:18,740
country and not so that means we do good things here and we want to and we want to

2151
03:28:18,740 --> 03:28:33,000
show them that we are doing good things so, anyways, thank you so do we want to, what do

2152
03:28:33,000 --> 03:28:39,060
we want to do, so, yeah, it's not, yeah, so we'll take, I don't know,

2153
03:28:42,690 --> 03:28:47,250
I will,

2154
03:28:50,450 --> 03:28:50,810
I just,

2155
04:20:01,490 --> 04:20:05,990
Welcome back, everybody. So we're going to move

2156
04:20:08,550 --> 04:20:33,970
on the agenda. We're going to go to 6.4 recreation and culture. So we have 6.4.1. We have facility sponsorship and naming rights policy. So it's all yours. Perfect. So council will find a facility sponsorship and naming rights policy in front of them. The purpose of this policy is to standardize

2157
04:20:33,970 --> 04:20:40,710
an accountable approach to engage in external partners for naming rights and sponsorships.

2158
04:20:41,570 --> 04:20:46,810
This is fairly common in municipalities to have some sort of governing document.

2159
04:20:47,250 --> 04:20:50,830
There are two amendments within the policy.

2160
04:20:51,650 --> 04:20:59,190
There's a reference to an event in the number 10 as well as number 11.

2161
04:20:59,190 --> 04:21:05,810
and so that is pulled out and it will be in next week without that.

2162
04:21:06,230 --> 04:21:12,270
So if there's any questions, concerns, thoughts on this policy?

2163
04:21:13,290 --> 04:21:18,270
Definitely looking for council's intuition on this.

2164
04:21:21,650 --> 04:21:23,330
Any questions or council?

2165
04:21:25,010 --> 04:21:25,110
No?

2166
04:21:25,750 --> 04:21:30,030
So Andrew, just to clarify, you're removing the section regarding recognition event?

2167
04:21:30,030 --> 04:21:38,770
Yes, so there's a section where it says this event will be coordinated by the Recreation and Culture Department, that's been removed, as well as

2168
04:21:39,200 --> 04:21:47,350
Communications Department has managed sponsor recognition signage branding and event promotion that event promotion has also taken over there.

2169
04:21:50,340 --> 04:21:52,300
Any concerns by council for those two.

2170
04:21:55,260 --> 04:22:02,140
Okay, thank you. So if we can move on to six point four point two, recreation and culture,

2171
04:22:02,140 --> 04:22:03,760
or Q-3 report?

2172
04:22:04,200 --> 04:22:05,020
For sure.

2173
04:22:05,300 --> 04:22:10,460
So Q-3 was extremely busy at the Moncafe Construction Sports

2174
04:22:10,460 --> 04:22:12,980
Center with numerous projects going on.

2175
04:22:13,940 --> 04:22:16,540
I do want to thank, firstly, our staff

2176
04:22:16,540 --> 04:22:19,660
for being not only understanding,

2177
04:22:20,040 --> 04:22:24,300
but willing to be flexible with their work

2178
04:22:24,300 --> 04:22:29,180
stations having to walk probably 10 to 20,000 steps a day,

2179
04:22:29,480 --> 04:22:31,080
trying to get from one side to the facility.

2180
04:22:31,080 --> 04:22:35,080
So really appreciate all the work they've put into it.

2181
04:22:35,720 --> 04:22:40,500
We've they've come up with great solutions for problems we've had.

2182
04:22:40,860 --> 04:22:48,180
Just small little details that sometimes you just don't even know are going to happen and they've figured it out for us.

2183
04:22:49,000 --> 04:22:56,940
Really, really impressed and pleased with what the staff have done, especially during this construction season.

2184
04:22:56,940 --> 04:23:02,820
And as well as the public, I do want to thank the public as well for being so understanding

2185
04:23:02,820 --> 04:23:15,240
and willing to deal with the change so we can improve the facilities as well as I really

2186
04:23:15,240 --> 04:23:26,040
want to thank all of the staff who are potential, who are bringing up those ideas.

2187
04:23:26,040 --> 04:23:32,880
So, we had a lot going on this summer as well, but I really want to dive into something that

2188
04:23:32,880 --> 04:23:40,920
the library was putting on, so they had an annual drive an event, and I just want to iterate

2189
04:23:40,920 --> 04:23:49,600
how intelligent and creative that group is. They had kids in box cars watching a movie in

2190
04:23:49,600 --> 04:23:56,020
a library. That is so cool and exciting, and I wish I could have done something like that

2191
04:23:56,020 --> 04:23:59,680
So I really appreciate that they even had a concession there.

2192
04:24:00,020 --> 04:24:02,100
So who doesn't want to go to a drive?

2193
04:24:02,240 --> 04:24:04,640
And so I'm just really impressed with the library

2194
04:24:04,640 --> 04:24:08,640
and all of the really cool things that they do down there.

2195
04:24:08,760 --> 04:24:13,380
So really just want to make sure that everyone knows

2196
04:24:13,380 --> 04:24:15,500
about all the exciting things that they're doing.

2197
04:24:16,140 --> 04:24:19,240
And I also do want to comment on something

2198
04:24:19,240 --> 04:24:20,720
that the new staff have been doing.

2199
04:24:20,920 --> 04:24:24,460
They're doing exceptional intellectual work there

2200
04:24:24,460 --> 04:24:32,060
that a lot of us don't really know what they're doing so the digitizer photos they're using AI

2201
04:24:32,060 --> 04:24:39,380
now for some different things you know they're preserving second world war artifacts they do a lot

2202
04:24:39,380 --> 04:24:45,060
of stuff outside of just having the doors open and people going in there so I really want to

2203
04:24:45,860 --> 04:24:51,460
ensure that the public is aware of all the extras that they do especially what's in the intellectual

2204
04:24:51,460 --> 04:24:59,960
So once again, just really, really pleased with those two spaces in particular about how

2205
04:24:59,960 --> 04:25:03,000
advanced they are for a community, our size.

2206
04:25:03,440 --> 04:25:08,620
So, you know, if there's any questions, I'm here to respond, and to answer some.

2207
04:25:11,340 --> 04:25:18,860
Yeah, so I guess my question is probably more of a Q4 question, but I can ask it anyhow.

2208
04:25:19,820 --> 04:25:27,500
I'm just wondering when the dry pad was done, and then I'm assuming the concrete continued

2209
04:25:27,500 --> 04:25:35,160
on where the Zamboni goes down, like who was verifying and checking, first of all, the

2210
04:25:35,160 --> 04:25:42,500
project, and secondly, like the design on that, because, like, be quite honest with you,

2211
04:25:42,580 --> 04:25:48,320
and that was quite an oversight, you know, where now it can't get down, now it's created

2212
04:25:48,320 --> 04:25:51,520
another problem there, then they got to go back in the spring and

2213
04:25:52,380 --> 04:26:09,720
I'm assuming remove some concrete and then change the slope again, and I don't know, I just I just feel that if we'd have had like a project manager there maybe more often someone would have saw that notice that right away for sure

2214
04:26:09,720 --> 04:26:12,160
So we did have our consultants.

2215
04:26:12,920 --> 04:26:17,480
Burn Rimer was a consultant who was the one leading that project.

2216
04:26:18,040 --> 04:26:20,280
We agree it was an oversight.

2217
04:26:21,780 --> 04:26:25,540
You know, I think the thought was that the Zamboni that we had

2218
04:26:25,540 --> 04:26:28,100
would be able to get up and get down still.

2219
04:26:29,460 --> 04:26:34,600
But the way that it worked out was our conditioner when it's coming off the ice.

2220
04:26:35,060 --> 04:26:38,880
It actually goes into the tires now because it's too much of a decline

2221
04:26:39,680 --> 04:26:52,320
So the machine could still go up and down, but if we didn't put the ramp in, they would have to lift up the conditioner in the goal crease, making a huge pile of snow and it wouldn't really work out that well.

2222
04:26:52,620 --> 04:27:06,420
So the design team likely should have had that into account, but when you look at the designs, when you look at the specs of your machine, you can actually tell if the incliner declines.

2223
04:27:06,420 --> 04:27:08,340
and there's no specs on the machine saying

2224
04:27:08,340 --> 04:27:10,860
this is how higher decline is or incline is

2225
04:27:10,860 --> 04:27:13,200
because you're not really supposed to have any of it.

2226
04:27:13,540 --> 04:27:15,080
So we're fixing it now.

2227
04:27:15,480 --> 04:27:18,040
And yeah, we understand it's, it was an oversight,

2228
04:27:18,240 --> 04:27:20,920
but we're trying to make it better now, so.

2229
04:27:21,080 --> 04:27:22,920
So just a supplementary then is,

2230
04:27:23,160 --> 04:27:27,800
so just concrete act actually have to be broken up

2231
04:27:27,800 --> 04:27:30,460
and moved, or is it something with the machine

2232
04:27:30,460 --> 04:27:34,260
or what, like what, because we get a lot of questions

2233
04:27:34,260 --> 04:27:36,200
about it and we have received a lot

2234
04:27:36,200 --> 04:27:47,500
We just said or been told that it will be fixed in April or whatever, but for a lot of people that's not good enough, not after what was spent.

2235
04:27:48,560 --> 04:27:57,520
So if we could get more full some response as to what the issue is then because I thought it was concrete.

2236
04:27:58,540 --> 04:28:01,000
And I guess I was guessing where it kept going.

2237
04:28:01,000 --> 04:28:08,620
And then it's finally sloped down when in fact that's not what the problem and the issue was so yeah

2238
04:28:08,620 --> 04:28:10,900
So the issue right now is that

2239
04:28:11,780 --> 04:28:16,560
Like I said, you know the conditioner can't come up so we we built a fake ramp right now

2240
04:28:16,560 --> 04:28:21,120
So all we're doing is adding concrete to the ramp so we're gonna add to the ramp

2241
04:28:21,120 --> 04:28:22,240
Which in turn

2242
04:28:22,780 --> 04:28:29,880
Means we have to have our bridge raise right now because we don't want our operators to be decapitated for lack of a better term

2243
04:28:29,880 --> 04:28:36,200
So we are working with Stan Tech on both of those right now to figure out

2244
04:28:36,660 --> 04:28:41,560
You know first of all how can we have the bridge down and make it a loop the whole time and second of all

2245
04:28:41,560 --> 04:28:45,100
Just the right angles that we need for that round

2246
04:28:45,100 --> 04:28:51,460
We already know because we have it in place. We built it. So we just need to make it concrete. No, it's wet right now

2247
04:28:53,000 --> 04:28:53,880
Thank you

2248
04:28:56,760 --> 04:28:58,320
Any other questions?

2249
04:28:58,320 --> 04:29:01,820
Andrew, did you have more to continue on with?

2250
04:29:02,000 --> 04:29:03,460
No, no, that's great, that's fine.

2251
04:29:03,460 --> 04:29:04,620
Okay, well thank you very much.

2252
04:29:04,720 --> 04:29:05,020
Thank you.

2253
04:29:14,910 --> 04:29:17,550
Okay, moving on the agenda,

2254
04:29:17,950 --> 04:29:20,150
the clock at 6.5 corporate services,

2255
04:29:20,250 --> 04:29:21,590
finance, human resources,

2256
04:29:22,550 --> 04:29:27,030
we're going to move to 6.5.2 financial status and forecast

2257
04:29:27,590 --> 04:29:29,870
at December 31st, so Director Marsh.

2258
04:29:42,800 --> 04:29:43,680
Thank you, good afternoon.

2259
04:29:44,700 --> 04:29:45,260
So

2260
04:29:48,200 --> 04:29:51,160
I have the financial status and forecast report

2261
04:29:51,160 --> 04:29:55,520
short as of September 30th, 2025.

2262
04:29:58,860 --> 04:29:59,980
So the

2263
04:30:00,270 --> 04:30:09,530
The forecast for the net tax levy supported budget is the shortfall setting at $283,447. The

2264
04:30:09,530 --> 04:30:15,710
South Support Utilities Water and wastewater deficit is 109, 109,000 and the Solid Waste

2265
04:30:15,710 --> 04:30:26,310
Forecaster plus 8,859. So the net tax levy supported budget is, we've seen a lot of improvement

2266
04:30:26,310 --> 04:30:38,730
from last period, we saw about 663,000 and so this period, we've done a decent

2267
04:30:38,730 --> 04:30:43,970
job of trying to mitigate some of the over-expansions that we had forecasted.

2268
04:30:46,460 --> 04:30:52,640
So primarily the change from June to September is a little bit increase in our

2269
04:30:52,640 --> 04:30:59,740
interest earnings a little bit higher out there. Our fire over time we've seen a

2270
04:30:59,740 --> 04:31:04,400
little bit of a forecast our projection come down. While it's still high we're

2271
04:31:04,400 --> 04:31:09,640
seeing we're projecting a bit less than we did last period and then our we have

2272
04:31:09,640 --> 04:31:12,940
some more general salary benefits savings. So

2273
04:31:15,440 --> 04:31:17,840
I'm just going to go through some of

2274
04:31:17,840 --> 04:31:21,320
the variance explanations for each of the areas. So as I mentioned the

2275
04:31:21,320 --> 04:31:25,900
corporate, forecasting an increase in interest of 91,000.

2276
04:31:26,560 --> 04:31:29,340
General government variants is due to salary and benefits.

2277
04:31:30,000 --> 04:31:32,700
There's a number of positions inside there that are offset,

2278
04:31:32,940 --> 04:31:35,280
are offsetting our vacancy management.

2279
04:31:36,040 --> 04:31:38,700
And we also have some savings and contract services.

2280
04:31:39,240 --> 04:31:43,980
And so we're at 677,000 is the deficit there,

2281
04:31:44,200 --> 04:31:45,900
mainly because of the vacancy management.

2282
04:31:45,900 --> 04:31:52,880
And protection, as I mentioned earlier, the overtime increase, just to meet some staffing

2283
04:31:52,880 --> 04:31:57,980
requirements as we have is we're running a deficit of $491,000 there.

2284
04:31:59,040 --> 04:32:04,740
And in transportation, they're the ones that are basically covering off a large portion

2285
04:32:04,740 --> 04:32:09,420
of that vacancy management with some of the more significant positions.

2286
04:32:09,420 --> 04:32:15,500
they have vacancies currently and earlier in the year that are allocated there.

2287
04:32:17,140 --> 04:32:20,560
And then we have some increases, our increased savings and recycling.

2288
04:32:21,180 --> 04:32:27,200
Some reduced fleet expenses are driving that wreck and culture.

2289
04:32:27,820 --> 04:32:34,420
We have a shortfall there, 125,000 mainly due to the capital work

2290
04:32:34,420 --> 04:32:40,520
that's influencing or impacting some of the revenues there and then we have some planning

2291
04:32:40,520 --> 04:32:45,360
development variants, decrease in contract services and a small increase in fees that

2292
04:32:45,360 --> 04:32:47,720
we're seeing there for $53,000.

2293
04:32:50,600 --> 04:32:56,080
And the solid waste and utility side, solid waste variances, a result of increase in volume

2294
04:32:56,080 --> 04:32:59,980
of sales, offset with some small increase in fleet and vehicle.

2295
04:33:00,800 --> 04:33:08,840
So, 8,859 in the water, waste water variance is due to some increased maintenance and repairs,

2296
04:33:10,540 --> 04:33:13,000
and some forecast and lower revenues.

2297
04:33:13,520 --> 04:33:18,380
That's also set with some lower fleet expenses, so we're seeing with a deficit today of

2298
04:33:18,380 --> 04:33:19,980
109,000.

2299
04:33:21,660 --> 04:33:25,500
So, that kind of runs us through the departments quickly, kind of in a nutshell.

2300
04:33:25,500 --> 04:33:39,080
on the second appendices is the capital projects so that also gives you an idea of what the capital projects are still open, some of the spending to date are as of November 7th, this includes and some of the remaining budget.

2301
04:33:40,180 --> 04:33:46,320
That would conclude my forecast for September 30th. There's any questions? I'd be happy to.

2302
04:33:47,440 --> 04:33:49,220
Any questions of council?

2303
04:33:54,000 --> 04:34:01,220
I just, the importance of a quarterly report in terms of being financially responsible

2304
04:34:01,220 --> 04:34:07,180
is so important because it allows us to adjust in year to what we see as being a pressure.

2305
04:34:07,920 --> 04:34:14,400
So if council recalls the second quarter financial report that was presented, we were not looking

2306
04:34:14,400 --> 04:34:19,060
in a good place and we've done a lot to improve the financial position and what we think that

2307
04:34:19,060 --> 04:34:21,260
our year end expected finishes going to be.

2308
04:34:21,820 --> 04:34:27,200
So this is really, we've really come a long ways in the last couple of months in terms

2309
04:34:27,200 --> 04:34:31,700
of closing that gap, which just demonstrates strong financial management, so just wanted

2310
04:34:31,700 --> 04:34:32,220
to say that.

2311
04:34:36,960 --> 04:34:37,400
Questions?

2312
04:34:38,480 --> 04:34:40,940
Just come from one piece and you can just take the chair.

2313
04:34:41,420 --> 04:34:47,280
Just a comment, because I know there was a bit of concern on the water and wastewater because

2314
04:34:47,280 --> 04:34:52,560
was it around $269 or something in the last quarter?

2315
04:34:53,400 --> 04:34:54,280
Could be.

2316
04:34:55,260 --> 04:35:02,000
Or it was significantly higher than you thought, or than you were hoping for.

2317
04:35:02,360 --> 04:35:03,340
I have to take a look.

2318
04:35:03,780 --> 04:35:06,480
Yeah, but I know it's come down, I guess, is what I'm saying.

2319
04:35:06,480 --> 04:35:07,020
Oh, yeah.

2320
04:35:07,380 --> 04:35:08,000
What I'm saying.

2321
04:35:08,600 --> 04:35:12,740
So, and to Stasis Point, you know, that's part of the exercise.

2322
04:35:12,740 --> 04:35:17,680
this going through it gives eyes on the current financials that allows the

2323
04:35:17,680 --> 04:35:21,400
managers and allows the directors to see the position we're in and they're

2324
04:35:21,400 --> 04:35:26,180
able to pivot and make adjustments to try to, you know, really make up some

2325
04:35:26,180 --> 04:35:27,580
of those projected overages.

2326
04:35:31,520 --> 04:35:32,880
Yeah, that answers it.

2327
04:35:33,780 --> 04:35:40,480
It was more of a statement now. I know there was concern at the time at the end of

2328
04:35:40,480 --> 04:35:47,060
to it was it was high enough that it was material right yeah I think we're

2329
04:35:47,060 --> 04:35:51,480
in to your point I think we're in a better position all around so I mean we're

2330
04:35:51,480 --> 04:36:01,180
not quite there yet but we're making our way to yeah okay thank you so well I

2331
04:36:01,180 --> 04:36:07,680
guess you're I guess you're done yeah no usually you usually have three or four

2332
04:36:13,280 --> 04:36:18,980
So moving on, the agenda 6.5.3, we have community safety and wellbeing Q3 report.

2333
04:36:19,560 --> 04:36:20,400
So Eric.

2334
04:36:38,990 --> 04:36:39,650
Thank you, Your Worship.

2335
04:36:39,890 --> 04:36:40,510
Good afternoon.

2336
04:36:42,330 --> 04:36:46,990
Your Worship and Members of Council, I print to you the Q3 report for the community safety

2337
04:36:46,990 --> 04:36:48,030
and wellbeing division.

2338
04:36:50,070 --> 04:36:56,310
As you can see in my report, it first starts with the implementation planning and where

2339
04:36:56,310 --> 04:36:58,370
we're at with the different actions.

2340
04:36:59,410 --> 04:37:04,150
The committee went through a process of identifying the first priority actions that get started

2341
04:37:04,150 --> 04:37:09,790
with in part, recognizing what's already underway and what they felt should be the priority.

2342
04:37:10,050 --> 04:37:12,110
So you have a status report for that.

2343
04:37:13,210 --> 04:37:19,530
As well, we were able to do some outreach through the fall, both at the Maddy Outskis

2344
04:37:19,530 --> 04:37:24,650
Farmers Market, and add a couple other events to be able to let folks know about the

2345
04:37:24,650 --> 04:37:29,350
plan, and as well to be able to see if they wanted to be involved, and it was a time

2346
04:37:29,350 --> 04:37:34,410
for them to reach out to me, and to let me know about if an action team was something

2347
04:37:34,410 --> 04:37:37,130
that they would be interested in, and we'll continue to do that.

2348
04:37:38,390 --> 04:37:42,870
The next part I wanted to share, and this is why I've got my computer and one I'm sitting

2349
04:37:42,870 --> 04:37:45,250
down is just an update on the dashboard.

2350
04:37:45,990 --> 04:37:53,830
So as part of the plan we talked, we are making this a priority of the city about making

2351
04:37:53,830 --> 04:37:55,750
sure folks know kind of where things are at.

2352
04:37:56,530 --> 04:38:07,110
So in this, one of the ways that we're doing is by creating a dashboard using the Power

2353
04:38:07,110 --> 04:38:10,250
items and where they are, so let me give you a moment and I'm going to share this room.

2354
04:38:23,900 --> 04:38:26,180
So this is a little bit different than what's in the report.

2355
04:38:26,940 --> 04:38:38,130
What you have in the report basically is in a different orientation through consultation

2356
04:38:38,130 --> 04:38:39,450
with the Communications Department.

2357
04:38:40,490 --> 04:38:47,370
We're keeping in mind AODA requirements and how it fits in our website and all this will

2358
04:38:47,370 --> 04:38:52,930
will be placed within the city of canora.ca website under the community safety and wellbeing

2359
04:38:52,930 --> 04:38:58,470
plan. So as you can see, it is using the assets that we have and also shows kind of where

2360
04:38:58,470 --> 04:39:03,690
things are at. So really trying to keep it simple in a way that people can see and get

2361
04:39:03,690 --> 04:39:07,970
the information they need. So for example, priority area one is collaboration communications.

2362
04:39:07,990 --> 04:39:12,210
There are five priority actions. This is an indicator of how many actions have been started

2363
04:39:12,210 --> 04:39:14,690
and if folks want more details, they can click into this.

2364
04:39:19,810 --> 04:39:21,410
So this is a priority area one

2365
04:39:21,410 --> 04:39:26,590
with all the priority actions here. If they want more information about a specific item,

2366
04:39:26,810 --> 04:39:32,770
they click on that. And then it's on the right hand side, where we'll talk about the status,

2367
04:39:33,230 --> 04:39:42,830
the lead, the approaches, any updates, and any results impact. So for example, we had our community safety

2368
04:39:42,830 --> 04:39:46,790
the unwell being plan open house.

2369
04:39:47,150 --> 04:39:52,270
And so we have, this is probably one that has more information on it.

2370
04:39:52,390 --> 04:39:56,410
So it's been started where the lead, knowledge mobilization,

2371
04:39:56,410 --> 04:39:59,950
and assessments updates as it'll be a yearly event.

2372
04:40:00,050 --> 04:40:03,390
We'll need to strike an action team to start planning for next year's event.

2373
04:40:03,930 --> 04:40:09,110
And so about when we aim to do it this December and impact was we had an open house

2374
04:40:09,110 --> 04:40:13,370
or result June 9th, 120 folks in attendance at the Discovery Center.

2375
04:40:13,910 --> 04:40:15,390
So this gives you this information.

2376
04:40:15,930 --> 04:40:20,570
And as you go through here, we'll have that for each of the priority action areas.

2377
04:40:26,870 --> 04:40:29,090
And it's meant to be, you know, accessible.

2378
04:40:30,050 --> 04:40:34,170
You know, we also realize that, you know, sometimes we have reports, but it's good to have things

2379
04:40:34,170 --> 04:40:35,610
here for people to see.

2380
04:40:41,890 --> 04:40:42,050
Okay.

2381
04:40:42,150 --> 04:40:42,890
Maybe I'll stop here.

2382
04:40:42,970 --> 04:40:44,970
Are there any questions about this dashboard?

2383
04:40:54,620 --> 04:40:59,480
and I see in your narrative here, it says that you worked with Kelowna, or the City of Kelowna.

2384
04:40:59,920 --> 04:41:00,380
Use this?

2385
04:41:00,760 --> 04:41:00,860
Yeah.

2386
04:41:02,100 --> 04:41:05,960
I'm familiar with their plan and it's quite a community-saking wellbeing plan.

2387
04:41:06,120 --> 04:41:08,720
I know they're quite, they've been doing this for a while.

2388
04:41:09,560 --> 04:41:11,680
So I think we're following a good template here.

2389
04:41:11,900 --> 04:41:16,720
And I really think this is so important because, you know, we talk about this all the time

2390
04:41:16,720 --> 04:41:21,240
about that we've taken this on, but people want to know.

2391
04:41:21,520 --> 04:41:24,300
I mean, we brought up Constor Madison's nodding her head.

2392
04:41:24,500 --> 04:41:26,460
Like, we all, it's a show in the world, right?

2393
04:41:26,480 --> 04:41:27,900
People want to know what are we doing.

2394
04:41:28,760 --> 04:41:31,200
And oftentimes, people are impatient.

2395
04:41:31,200 --> 04:41:32,840
And we want to see results immediately.

2396
04:41:33,120 --> 04:41:35,340
But these things are, you know, I used the term before.

2397
04:41:35,500 --> 04:41:37,640
It's a big, there's systemic issues.

2398
04:41:37,820 --> 04:41:39,080
It's the social determinants of health.

2399
04:41:39,320 --> 04:41:43,200
I mean, we don't hold the keys to the answers, so to speak, right?

2400
04:41:43,340 --> 04:41:44,940
And it's the collaboration.

2401
04:41:44,940 --> 04:41:50,360
and it's very nuanced, but the idea is to move it forward.

2402
04:41:50,620 --> 04:41:54,760
So to show people that we are moving it forward

2403
04:41:54,760 --> 04:41:56,920
and it's going to happen incrementally,

2404
04:41:57,220 --> 04:41:59,380
I think it's a really great chance for the public

2405
04:41:59,380 --> 04:42:01,560
to interact and to have the questions answered.

2406
04:42:02,940 --> 04:42:04,840
It may not make everybody happy,

2407
04:42:04,980 --> 04:42:07,860
but I mean, we're following a tried and true

2408
04:42:07,860 --> 04:42:12,380
like a template here, as using Colonies example.

2409
04:42:12,380 --> 04:42:15,340
So this is, when is this going to be live?

2410
04:42:15,620 --> 04:42:21,900
I think, so we are going to soft launch in the matter weeks, I think working with communications

2411
04:42:21,900 --> 04:42:26,860
to craft a message to go to the public to let them know kind of how to use it.

2412
04:42:26,920 --> 04:42:29,100
And there's some data cleanup I have to do.

2413
04:42:29,320 --> 04:42:31,760
So right now I've been working mainly on functionality.

2414
04:42:32,520 --> 04:42:37,580
And so I do want to say, I want to recognize assistance of our partners.

2415
04:42:37,980 --> 04:42:39,400
So we have community partners.

2416
04:42:39,400 --> 04:42:47,220
So I've been getting a lot of assistance from the epidemiologist at the health unit and so this is about bringing that in as well

2417
04:42:47,220 --> 04:42:51,660
I've gotten help from Kelona, so a couple of things initially

2418
04:42:51,660 --> 04:42:57,380
So this is model after them, so I should give them credit for what need to give them credit for bringing this out

2419
04:42:57,380 --> 04:43:00,860
It was really neat actually as part of not this

2420
04:43:01,620 --> 04:43:06,600
Quarter, but it'll be in the next ones report. We did go to the communities a Canadian

2421
04:43:06,600 --> 04:43:10,000
in Center for Safer Communities Annual Conference.

2422
04:43:10,000 --> 04:43:13,280
It was in Halifax, and I was able to meet the folks

2423
04:43:13,280 --> 04:43:15,340
from Kelowna to be able to talk to them about that.

2424
04:43:15,600 --> 04:43:17,860
And they're excited to be able to help us out

2425
04:43:17,860 --> 04:43:19,000
and to make this useful.

2426
04:43:19,580 --> 04:43:20,660
And so this is one of the things.

2427
04:43:20,680 --> 04:43:23,240
You know, when you said this one, the final comment here,

2428
04:43:23,340 --> 04:43:25,420
you mentioned about working with the Northwestern Health Unit

2429
04:43:25,420 --> 04:43:28,220
with the epidemiologist and working with Kelowna.

2430
04:43:28,380 --> 04:43:29,160
I mean, this is unheard of.

2431
04:43:29,220 --> 04:43:30,220
We've never done this before.

2432
04:43:30,420 --> 04:43:34,200
And I mean, so just to really emphasize this

2433
04:43:34,200 --> 04:43:40,820
for people that are listening and paying attention to this, these are collaborative relationships

2434
04:43:40,820 --> 04:43:46,860
that have been developed and that are really important here and you know your connection

2435
04:43:46,860 --> 04:43:50,860
with Kelona and you're going to talk about the conference you want to, these are communities

2436
04:43:50,860 --> 04:43:53,760
outside of Kamar that are trying to figure out these same issues.

2437
04:43:54,100 --> 04:44:00,120
So I feel we've really come out of that, you know, like I used the term dark ages, like

2438
04:44:00,120 --> 04:44:05,300
We're addressing, like, we've identified these priority areas.

2439
04:44:06,300 --> 04:44:10,300
We're coming up with strategic ways to address these strategic priorities.

2440
04:44:11,040 --> 04:44:11,840
And we're not egging this up.

2441
04:44:12,000 --> 04:44:15,080
Like, we're using a template that's been successful in other communities.

2442
04:44:16,240 --> 04:44:21,500
So I really feel that we're on the cutting edge of this, and congratulations for getting

2443
04:44:21,500 --> 04:44:22,260
this up and going.

2444
04:44:22,500 --> 04:44:26,660
And lastly, are you doing all the, are you populating all the data, Eric?

2445
04:44:26,660 --> 04:44:29,140
That's up to you to create it and all that.

2446
04:44:29,140 --> 04:44:34,700
And so one of the nice things about the system is it all goes on one spreadsheet, one Excel

2447
04:44:34,700 --> 04:44:35,980
spreadsheet that this pulls from.

2448
04:44:36,540 --> 04:44:39,920
And that's the, and we were intention about that because we don't want to be able to update

2449
04:44:40,720 --> 04:44:44,700
48 different pages within the web environment.

2450
04:44:44,820 --> 04:44:47,220
You want to be able to pull that in so it's a time saver.

2451
04:44:47,360 --> 04:44:49,580
It also allows us to be able to do other things.

2452
04:44:49,640 --> 04:44:52,620
So this is, I should say this document is evergreen.

2453
04:44:52,940 --> 04:44:58,200
It will be changing as we see what information folks want to get and how we want to draw

2454
04:44:58,200 --> 04:44:59,840
And as we get more

2455
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:29,000
Comfortable with the system, be able to draw that. There are a lot of different functional elements that we can do. Right now, what you've seen today is what's going to be launched beta-wise in terms of, and we will add to it going forward. You know, there might be other things. I'm looking at, you know, how we can maybe put some hyperlinks, so when you can click on reports and documents. So I think of what was presented today from the city was very significant with the housing needs assessment.

2456
04:45:29,000 --> 04:45:35,320
And that is in our plan to look at that communicate that out of the public and so a link to that would live on here

2457
04:45:35,320 --> 04:45:37,280
So you would see it in

2458
04:45:37,920 --> 04:45:42,320
It's not here right now, but like eventually be here, and I believe it's

2459
04:45:42,320 --> 04:45:44,980
To regularly communicate to the public

2460
04:45:45,500 --> 04:45:48,940
So I could see it kind of living in this spot here

2461
04:45:49,420 --> 04:45:55,080
Where then folks could go and they look at that thing and this is what the different different folks are doing as well

2462
04:45:55,080 --> 04:46:00,160
Well, understanding that there is a communications ecosystem within the city, absolutely, to do that.

2463
04:46:00,300 --> 04:46:06,900
But this is just where items will reside, the links, as it pertains to the community safety and well-being plan.

2464
04:46:07,720 --> 04:46:08,260
Great, thanks.

2465
04:46:09,680 --> 04:46:10,100
Thanks.

2466
04:46:10,740 --> 04:46:11,500
Councillor Chase.

2467
04:46:11,800 --> 04:46:12,700
Thank you, Your Worship.

2468
04:46:13,500 --> 04:46:14,260
Eric, good to see you.

2469
04:46:14,320 --> 04:46:15,540
Thank you for this update today.

2470
04:46:16,080 --> 04:46:17,060
I have two questions.

2471
04:46:17,540 --> 04:46:22,460
The first regarding section 2.2 in your report under priority items.

2472
04:46:23,340 --> 04:46:27,980
You've identified, engaged the province of Ontario in a collaborative review of funding

2473
04:46:27,980 --> 04:46:31,600
being provided to young people who are aging out of care, especially within the Northern

2474
04:46:31,600 --> 04:46:32,400
Ontario context.

2475
04:46:33,020 --> 04:46:36,240
I mean, we heard earlier today from Councillor Ben Bellingham in her work on the police services

2476
04:46:36,240 --> 04:46:41,580
board that, you know, they're seeing a huge increase in youth interaction in our criminal

2477
04:46:41,580 --> 04:46:43,240
justice system and interaction with police.

2478
04:46:43,800 --> 04:46:47,960
So, I'm just curious, you've identified that you need to identify an action team late.

2479
04:46:47,960 --> 04:46:52,560
I'm just curious if you've had conversations with K-R-R or Avenue Geech Health Family Services

2480
04:46:52,560 --> 04:46:56,340
to try to identify what those funding gaps are or could be.

2481
04:46:57,340 --> 04:46:59,920
So that's just my first question, I'll follow up with a second order in second.

2482
04:47:00,280 --> 04:47:07,240
Okay, so the first one is specifically to 2.2 we haven't done that specifically on the actions

2483
04:47:07,240 --> 04:47:14,720
however we recognize the importance of, you know, this issue of services and actions involving

2484
04:47:14,720 --> 04:47:20,860
young younger folk into that end. I did have a conversation I had a meeting with the manager

2485
04:47:20,860 --> 04:47:27,960
of the youth hub. We have the executive director for Kenora Rainier River Child and Family Services

2486
04:47:27,960 --> 04:47:32,340
on our implementation committee, so we're actually working on another action she's involved right now

2487
04:47:32,980 --> 04:47:41,780
on another action team that's further down. I believe it's 2.1 about the human trafficking, but as we

2488
04:47:41,780 --> 04:47:45,520
We discuss these things, they're not in isolation, one leads into the other.

2489
04:47:45,760 --> 04:47:52,620
So soon, once we get those things set, it'll pivot and we'll work on that because it has been identified as a priority to get the rights.

2490
04:47:52,960 --> 04:47:54,520
Thank you, thank you for that answer.

2491
04:47:54,960 --> 04:47:56,900
My second question is regarding 3.4, so

2492
04:47:56,900 --> 04:48:06,400
co-development between city and social services work for like a work readiness program with a specific goal to advocate to the crown's office to dedicate community service hours to this work.

2493
04:48:06,840 --> 04:48:14,160
So you mentioned here that you've got a preliminary outreach to the newly appointed crown and that you're going to be meeting with them in November. Have you had that meeting yet?

2494
04:48:14,340 --> 04:48:21,160
I haven't yet, but I will say that she did reach out to me last week, which is great. And she said, can I have a copy of the plan?

2495
04:48:21,280 --> 04:48:24,220
So I was able to send her a copy of the plan. She said she'll review it.

2496
04:48:24,620 --> 04:48:31,320
And then she said, I will follow up with her to see what a meeting time is, but I'm glad I had put in multiple requests.

2497
04:48:31,320 --> 04:48:38,840
And I know that in being in a new position that you're always kind of learning and getting caught up and stuff and so I'm glad that she was still

2498
04:48:38,840 --> 04:48:51,120
She reached out and was able to kind of say this is something that's on our on our radar. I will add she does have experience with the Conor Justice Center. So I think there are opportunities there to talk and the reason that this

2499
04:48:52,900 --> 04:48:59,680
3.4 came out was we did here in our conversations that in within the justice system

2500
04:48:59,680 --> 04:49:04,480
And there is interest in looking at models like this right now among those who are in the

2501
04:49:04,480 --> 04:49:05,200
canoor environment.

2502
04:49:05,460 --> 04:49:11,940
So it's an opportunity, it's an opportunity time to raise those discussions so you can

2503
04:49:11,940 --> 04:49:12,620
get some headwind.

2504
04:49:12,880 --> 04:49:17,220
And again, just to sort of piggyback off a comment made by Councillor Bernie earlier, I mean

2505
04:49:17,220 --> 04:49:23,660
the frustration of our staff to continually be cleaning up downtown, the resource drain

2506
04:49:23,660 --> 04:49:29,020
it is in our community. I don't want to be saying the statement from, you know, a

2507
04:49:29,020 --> 04:49:33,600
misinformed place. I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that years ago,

2508
04:49:33,680 --> 04:49:39,740
Bucksburg grade was basically an opportunity for this type of work to be completed with a

2509
04:49:39,740 --> 04:49:44,120
specific focus on the hardware front. I'm just wondering because there's also been comments

2510
04:49:44,120 --> 04:49:49,020
today and some reference in your report about, you know, willingness of perhaps the Chamber

2511
04:49:49,020 --> 04:49:54,080
of Commerce, or maybe Harbor Town Biz to partner or work together and collaborate, that

2512
04:49:54,080 --> 04:49:58,080
perhaps we can have an expanded area in our Harbor Town Center for this type of community

2513
04:49:58,080 --> 04:50:01,300
service for our conservers hours to help contribute to the cleanup of our downtown.

2514
04:50:01,740 --> 04:50:01,820
Right.

2515
04:50:02,080 --> 04:50:05,380
I mean, there are multiple ways of entering this discussion, and I think that we were already

2516
04:50:05,380 --> 04:50:10,420
having these conversations, so I did have the opportunity to go to the Harbor Town Biz

2517
04:50:10,420 --> 04:50:17,040
meeting, and I know that there was one question about not about it was about cleanup of the

2518
04:50:17,040 --> 04:50:23,360
docs and such. And so when I was able to reach out to within the city and and send an introductory

2519
04:50:23,360 --> 04:50:29,820
email to the chair of the Harbatown Biz and the manager of facilities, you know, start

2520
04:50:29,820 --> 04:50:34,600
this discussion, you know, because you said it was okay to start that. So it's about starting

2521
04:50:34,600 --> 04:50:39,620
there. And as we have those discussions that is there are opportunities, I think, to do

2522
04:50:39,620 --> 04:50:45,060
that. I've also heard about the Bucks Brigade and everybody's talked about, you know, the

2523
04:50:45,060 --> 04:50:51,420
successes there. We've also learned that it was running in a different time as well, you know,

2524
04:50:51,480 --> 04:50:57,520
in terms of like, you know, how people were on the streets with drug use much more prevalent now

2525
04:50:57,520 --> 04:51:03,800
than when Bucks Brigade was in operation. However, you know, there are, we do know from our

2526
04:51:03,800 --> 04:51:08,720
community survey and our focus group sessions that there is appetite, you know, among those who are,

2527
04:51:08,720 --> 04:51:15,640
you know outside, particularly the house to be able to contribute to, so we are having

2528
04:51:15,640 --> 04:51:17,020
these initial discussions.

2529
04:51:17,920 --> 04:51:18,760
Okay, that's good.

2530
04:51:19,340 --> 04:51:21,260
Just a quick comment, then I'll wrap it up.

2531
04:51:22,500 --> 04:51:29,680
I want there to be something in place, I would like to see something in place in terms of

2532
04:51:29,680 --> 04:51:36,700
a program, a partnership, a collaborative effort so that if the crown is willing to

2533
04:51:36,700 --> 04:51:40,140
to redirect individuals for community services work

2534
04:51:40,140 --> 04:51:41,280
that there's a place for them to go.

2535
04:51:41,840 --> 04:51:43,040
Like I don't think the expectation

2536
04:51:43,040 --> 04:51:44,660
is that the crown is gonna create this.

2537
04:51:46,080 --> 04:51:47,360
I think we need to create it for them

2538
04:51:47,360 --> 04:51:48,280
and I think we need to collaborate

2539
04:51:48,280 --> 04:51:49,620
with some of the downtown business owners.

2540
04:51:49,820 --> 04:51:50,940
I mean, we've heard loud and clear

2541
04:51:50,940 --> 04:51:53,240
I participated in the town hall open house

2542
04:51:53,240 --> 04:51:55,220
that we did last month or maybe it was earlier this month

2543
04:51:55,220 --> 04:51:56,120
at the news.

2544
04:51:57,020 --> 04:51:58,240
I mean, one of the questions was about

2545
04:51:58,240 --> 04:52:00,700
what are the noticeable things in our downtown

2546
04:52:00,700 --> 04:52:03,060
that have seen change or been positive change

2547
04:52:03,060 --> 04:52:07,260
and the response, at least the feedback from the audience

2548
04:52:07,260 --> 04:52:09,760
and from members that I spoke to both in the business community

2549
04:52:09,760 --> 04:52:11,620
and just the public at large is, you know,

2550
04:52:11,640 --> 04:52:12,680
they're not seeing much of a change

2551
04:52:13,200 --> 04:52:14,940
and they're seeing a lot of garbage downtown

2552
04:52:14,940 --> 04:52:19,960
and it's an endless drain for our municipal resources

2553
04:52:19,960 --> 04:52:21,680
and our staff to be dealing with this problem.

2554
04:52:21,820 --> 04:52:24,320
So I look to you and hope that you can continue this work

2555
04:52:24,320 --> 04:52:28,100
and try to get partners together to create an opportunity

2556
04:52:28,100 --> 04:52:30,120
for the crown to have someone to direct people to

2557
04:52:30,120 --> 04:52:32,020
because that is an opportunity

2558
04:52:32,020 --> 04:52:36,300
and I think that as a population that will be well served in doing this work and contributing

2559
04:52:36,300 --> 04:52:41,000
to cleaning up our downtown or community and be longing to our community.

2560
04:52:41,380 --> 04:52:47,580
Yeah, I mean it's preliminary and so this is what we got from the feedback. Part of

2561
04:52:47,580 --> 04:52:52,720
discussion is it really is the crown that suggests the charges, right? So when they're in the

2562
04:52:52,720 --> 04:52:58,000
court system and there's something that they have to do, it's not the defense, it's the crown

2563
04:52:58,000 --> 04:53:02,960
that will be amenable to that. So the fact that we have an audience with them to be able to bring

2564
04:53:02,960 --> 04:53:10,680
this up I think is you know is a good start that you know with that said yeah I think we need to

2565
04:53:12,260 --> 04:53:17,740
as you said make the best case to go forward and provide that structure for that to happen

2566
04:53:17,740 --> 04:53:27,980
and then this might be other further discussions with other groups and I think we should look at the

2567
04:53:27,980 --> 04:53:33,500
with that with the restorative justice and things that we could maybe use to do that.

2568
04:53:33,640 --> 04:53:38,060
I think one of the, without getting too long-winded, but one of the things is there has to be

2569
04:53:38,060 --> 04:53:42,660
a champion organization to be able to kind of take in these folks to be able to do that

2570
04:53:42,660 --> 04:53:43,120
work, right?

2571
04:53:43,240 --> 04:53:44,620
And so it's like, where does that sit?

2572
04:53:44,820 --> 04:53:45,640
Who does that?

2573
04:53:47,040 --> 04:53:47,380
Yeah.

2574
04:53:47,480 --> 04:53:48,740
I'm just suggesting it can be us.

2575
04:53:48,940 --> 04:53:49,420
Oh, okay.

2576
04:53:49,660 --> 04:53:50,280
Let's pry this out here.

2577
04:53:50,520 --> 04:53:50,600
Yeah.

2578
04:53:50,920 --> 04:53:51,080
Okay.

2579
04:53:55,930 --> 04:53:56,270
Sorry.

2580
04:53:56,270 --> 04:53:59,910
Sorry, could you just back up on your slide there Eric to that original?

2581
04:54:00,990 --> 04:54:01,350
Sure

2582
04:54:02,130 --> 04:54:08,190
So the question is around your interface here. Yeah, here we go. So now the

2583
04:54:09,370 --> 04:54:16,810
Actions that are assigned to each of those if the actions fall in more than one category are they captured in more than one category?

2584
04:54:18,370 --> 04:54:19,250
Um area

2585
04:54:20,050 --> 04:54:24,670
No, no, those are this is from what's in the plan so if you go through the plan they are numbered

2586
04:54:24,670 --> 04:54:32,090
you know one point I think there are there are five like so it's 1.1 through 1.5 the

2587
04:54:32,090 --> 04:54:38,490
biggest priority area is number two and has 13 actions and so they so there

2588
04:54:38,490 --> 04:54:43,890
are some instances where there are synergies between the two but they're

2589
04:54:43,890 --> 04:54:48,090
distinct and they'll be reported separately. So I guess I'm looking for a

2590
04:54:48,090 --> 04:54:55,950
from you on how you feel the actions are weighted based on like it seems to me it's very

2591
04:54:55,950 --> 04:55:02,750
youth-focused and when we you know we have the initial community meeting where there was

2592
04:55:02,750 --> 04:55:09,130
an outcry for it wasn't the youth I mean it's on the rise he's crying and there's issues on

2593
04:55:09,130 --> 04:55:16,010
the rise but at that time it was to do that and so I'm just wondering what your feelings are

2594
04:55:16,010 --> 04:55:19,050
or are there more options to come around?

2595
04:55:19,770 --> 04:55:22,990
Things like drug use and...

2596
04:55:22,990 --> 04:55:23,710
I think...

2597
04:55:23,710 --> 04:55:24,790
I think...

2598
04:55:24,790 --> 04:55:24,950
Yeah.

2599
04:55:26,270 --> 04:55:29,390
I think all that stuff around adults have to see...

2600
04:55:29,390 --> 04:55:31,150
I think I should add, like, you know,

2601
04:55:31,230 --> 04:55:34,730
among the actions, they're also not equivalent.

2602
04:55:35,030 --> 04:55:38,130
Some are short and advocacy and pieces

2603
04:55:38,130 --> 04:55:40,530
that are just reporting that, you know,

2604
04:55:40,610 --> 04:55:41,290
this is being done.

2605
04:55:41,870 --> 04:55:43,770
Others are much longer in scope.

2606
04:55:43,770 --> 04:55:58,130
So it's hard to say while there are 13 in children, youth, and families, you know, they're not all weighted equivalent in terms of their length of time that they'll be done and the energy and effort and stuff.

2607
04:55:58,610 --> 04:56:04,530
I know there was great deliberation about mixing it up within the plan.

2608
04:56:04,530 --> 04:56:11,410
So some things have short, some things are longer and some things are really aspirational that like honestly, we mean it not

2609
04:56:12,030 --> 04:56:19,330
Be able to finish in this time in this time frame, but we could kind of get the foundation started for something future

2610
04:56:19,330 --> 04:56:23,530
Like you know future focus as for the other things. I do think

2611
04:56:24,390 --> 04:56:31,550
I would encourage everyone to read the party actions because a lot of those things can live within those actions

2612
04:56:31,550 --> 04:56:37,410
And so, for example, if I can go to downtown community spaces 3

2613
04:56:45,630 --> 04:56:51,190
.3, 3.0, I'm sorry, there's a zero there and that's just by the sorting design.

2614
04:56:51,430 --> 04:56:59,590
That's why I have to do that because we have more than 10, but oh no, not 3.3, it is 3.2.

2615
04:57:03,580 --> 04:57:10,160
Design a comprehensive integrated approach that is inclusive all service, which to enforcement and outreach in the downtown area.

2616
04:57:10,860 --> 04:57:13,120
and ensure that this approach is widely known

2617
04:57:13,120 --> 04:57:14,740
and easily accessible to the community.

2618
04:57:15,020 --> 04:57:20,380
So something like this is about getting different groups

2619
04:57:20,380 --> 04:57:22,180
and outreach and pleased together to talk

2620
04:57:22,180 --> 04:57:25,160
about the approaches of working with the folks

2621
04:57:25,160 --> 04:57:27,240
who are outside what that might look like.

2622
04:57:27,420 --> 04:57:30,120
And so, you know, that might have an effect on,

2623
04:57:30,120 --> 04:57:32,660
you know, how we see people, how we approach things.

2624
04:57:33,140 --> 04:57:36,860
So it would kind of live in this and the work for here.

2625
04:57:36,860 --> 04:57:39,820
If that makes sense, right?

2626
04:57:41,660 --> 04:57:44,980
And so it's something about, you know, we're getting the piece together, we're having

2627
04:57:44,980 --> 04:57:50,880
the, you know, while it's not on the priority list of the first few, I'm starting to have

2628
04:57:50,880 --> 04:57:55,860
discussions with folks that might be part of the action teams to be able to kind of work on this.

2629
04:57:56,140 --> 04:58:04,900
Because, yeah, it's not necessarily directly spelled out here, but in this, I think a lot

2630
04:58:04,900 --> 04:58:08,260
a lot of the action, a lot of the foundation for work

2631
04:58:08,260 --> 04:58:09,940
in these areas can happen.

2632
04:58:10,180 --> 04:58:10,320
Okay,

2633
04:58:15,080 --> 04:58:15,180
great.

2634
04:58:15,420 --> 04:58:18,300
Just another comment, I guess, Erica.

2635
04:58:19,080 --> 04:58:22,460
Councilor Chase talked about the work program,

2636
04:58:22,680 --> 04:58:24,360
the Bucks Creator, each team, whatever.

2637
04:58:25,840 --> 04:58:27,860
I'd like to see, I mean, speaking frankly,

2638
04:58:28,120 --> 04:58:29,160
I'd like to see something like this,

2639
04:58:29,260 --> 04:58:30,260
and it's not pressure on you,

2640
04:58:30,620 --> 04:58:32,080
but I think it'd be nice to have

2641
04:58:32,080 --> 04:58:34,780
if we had a timeline here or forecast.

2642
04:58:34,980 --> 04:58:36,380
I'd like to see something implemented

2643
04:58:36,380 --> 04:58:37,780
by next summer, actually.

2644
04:58:38,220 --> 04:58:42,360
And I, the way I envision it, and I'll certainly help out all I can because I'm on the,

2645
04:58:43,160 --> 04:58:48,120
one of my committees is the biz, and we've had some experience with this before, but I

2646
04:58:48,120 --> 04:58:53,300
really think that, as Conzo Chase said, a partnership with, with private sector as well.

2647
04:58:53,880 --> 04:58:57,060
I don't think, and I don't think it should be solely court directed.

2648
04:58:58,280 --> 04:59:02,700
There was a program that the Winnipeg did years ago, and we actually brought folks to come to

2649
04:59:02,700 --> 04:59:03,780
in order to talk about it.

2650
04:59:04,340 --> 04:59:05,660
He was sponsored by the business called

2651
04:59:05,660 --> 04:59:09,560
the most team, which most had for a mission off the streets.

2652
04:59:10,400 --> 04:59:13,120
And it was designed that there was a small component

2653
04:59:13,120 --> 04:59:17,380
that was court, like it was, there were court referrals.

2654
04:59:18,100 --> 04:59:20,440
But the majority of the team was not made up

2655
04:59:20,440 --> 04:59:22,820
of, they weren't justice involved.

2656
04:59:23,380 --> 04:59:26,260
And I think if you rely too much on the justice system,

2657
04:59:26,340 --> 04:59:27,880
it's kind of feast or famine type thing.

2658
04:59:27,880 --> 04:59:33,680
And, you know, it certainly comes with a share of challenges, we'll put it that way.

2659
04:59:34,360 --> 04:59:41,240
So I think it can be, there are other templates out there where it's an amalgamation of people

2660
04:59:41,240 --> 04:59:46,640
that are just working, they're just employed, and they're doing this, either in place

2661
04:59:46,640 --> 04:59:54,000
through the town or whatever this corporation is, and some are streamed through the courts.

2662
04:59:54,380 --> 04:59:59,980
So I think, you know, we look at it that way and sort of craft it uniquely, that something that bests...

2663
05:00:08,980 --> 05:00:09,120
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

2664
05:00:09,120 --> 05:00:15,540
working and I think we'll build off that but I'm more than happy to be involved you know in

2665
05:00:15,540 --> 05:00:21,060
anything moving forward especially as far as the business concerned and I think you know there's

2666
05:00:21,060 --> 05:00:28,580
a lot of opportunity for partnerships with other agencies with the private sector with you know

2667
05:00:28,580 --> 05:00:35,640
with the sole gen or mag involvement I think many hands makes like work as they say the more

2668
05:00:35,640 --> 05:00:38,300
that we can get involved, the better.

2669
05:00:38,480 --> 05:00:41,040
But I think we can come up with something by some hope for it.

2670
05:00:41,300 --> 05:00:42,240
So let's put that out there.

2671
05:00:42,940 --> 05:00:45,020
OK, it's not a pressure on you, but I

2672
05:00:45,020 --> 05:00:46,860
would just like in your world, I'd

2673
05:00:46,860 --> 05:00:48,360
love to see something, I'm sure we all would,

2674
05:00:48,440 --> 05:00:52,940
like to see something boots on the ground by the summer.

2675
05:00:53,960 --> 05:00:56,640
And I think this is there are a lot of things

2676
05:00:56,640 --> 05:00:59,480
to be said about preliminary discussions

2677
05:00:59,480 --> 05:01:01,620
to getting the idea and then working towards that.

2678
05:01:01,620 --> 05:01:05,760
And the idea that programs can adjust as needed.

2679
05:01:06,180 --> 05:01:11,040
And that I'll talk about that later about their needle disposal pilot project.

2680
05:01:11,200 --> 05:01:14,500
I think they were taking that approach just to be able to get it out, right?

2681
05:01:14,840 --> 05:01:16,380
And see where it goes, right?

2682
05:01:21,130 --> 05:01:22,950
Your title is coordinator.

2683
05:01:23,970 --> 05:01:27,270
Is it also more champion of the gauze?

2684
05:01:28,230 --> 05:01:31,890
If you're hearing out there, let's use the guts for great.

2685
05:01:31,890 --> 05:01:38,990
people want to see a group of people downtown all the time? Is it your job to find

2686
05:01:38,990 --> 05:01:46,750
who can do that? Or what's your job in that instant? Well I mean I work with

2687
05:01:46,750 --> 05:01:53,150
the implementation committee so I you know I take my lead from from from that but

2688
05:01:53,150 --> 05:01:57,890
it also is to to help connect and bring that up if if there is a call for that

2689
05:01:57,890 --> 05:02:05,410
Yeah, for sure. I'm open to meetings that bring that to look for like

2690
05:02:05,410 --> 05:02:13,830
for great. Do you go to the city? Do you go to biz? Who does that? Oh, I would do that.

2691
05:02:13,930 --> 05:02:18,610
So I would have internal discussions. And so I will say I've been in touch with

2692
05:02:18,610 --> 05:02:24,490
the Chamber of Commerce about some ideas about possible things that that we're

2693
05:02:24,490 --> 05:02:32,090
about and if you get a no then what then you just keep on you keep on seeing see where else where

2694
05:02:32,090 --> 05:02:38,650
it could land. Also I should say I talk to you know senior to my supervisor and senior leadership

2695
05:02:38,650 --> 05:02:42,370
to see kind of what we can do within the city. I mean there are some things that you know we have

2696
05:02:42,370 --> 05:02:50,510
and I will say I've had a very good collaboration with different departments within the city

2697
05:02:50,510 --> 05:02:52,470
about talking about that to be able to do that.

2698
05:02:52,670 --> 05:02:55,430
I think the one commonality that we have that I've seen

2699
05:02:55,430 --> 05:02:57,570
is everyone wants Kenora to be better.

2700
05:02:58,250 --> 05:02:59,770
Like, I haven't really met anybody who's saying,

2701
05:02:59,890 --> 05:03:01,130
like, oh, we're fine, this is all good.

2702
05:03:01,270 --> 05:03:03,810
Like, everyone says, how can we get there?

2703
05:03:04,170 --> 05:03:05,570
There may be differences of opinion,

2704
05:03:05,610 --> 05:03:06,450
how we reach that.

2705
05:03:07,010 --> 05:03:09,830
But as we talk about that and we collaborate,

2706
05:03:10,250 --> 05:03:11,550
maybe there's something that we can try.

2707
05:03:11,690 --> 05:03:12,870
And I think people are at the stage

2708
05:03:12,870 --> 05:03:15,510
where they're wanting to try different things.

2709
05:03:15,510 --> 05:03:18,350
And I think the big thing is different organizations

2710
05:03:18,350 --> 05:03:23,450
positions aren't really aware of what each other is doing and I think part of our job

2711
05:03:23,450 --> 05:03:25,250
is to get the message out there.

2712
05:03:25,650 --> 05:03:32,510
The city has already dedicated so many people to clean up downtown or whatever it is but

2713
05:03:32,510 --> 05:03:36,030
I think knowledge is worth a million dollars sometimes.

2714
05:03:36,630 --> 05:03:42,130
Right and that's part of my position is to kind of be the conduit for the city so you know

2715
05:03:42,130 --> 05:03:46,890
I'm the city's representative for the Hub Heart Steering Committee so there's really

2716
05:03:46,890 --> 05:03:52,670
good work there. I think I'll leave it up to the heart hub, which we'll be able to kind

2717
05:03:52,670 --> 05:03:55,930
of have their communications about that, but I can tell you, like, you know, a lot of things

2718
05:03:55,930 --> 05:04:00,530
that we wanted to happen in the plan, you know, the calls from the community, better collaboration,

2719
05:04:00,750 --> 05:04:05,910
better communication, they're definitely top of mind for these efforts, just like, you know, with an

2720
05:04:05,910 --> 05:04:07,990
A&HP, with another groups.

2721
05:04:12,160 --> 05:04:16,300
Sorry. Yeah, I've been taking up a lot of your time, so I just wanted to,

2722
05:04:16,940 --> 05:04:24,320
It's in the report. Again, if you wanted to see, if you go to the Needle Disposal Working Group,

2723
05:04:24,420 --> 05:04:28,140
again, that's another project that we're going to launch in the next couple of weeks.

2724
05:04:28,320 --> 05:04:34,320
We're just working on the communications. For that, you can actually go to the website.

2725
05:04:34,880 --> 05:04:38,240
If you want reportneedles.ca, if you pull it on your phone, you'll see that.

2726
05:04:38,360 --> 05:04:42,420
We're just talking with a developer about some, to give some feedback about functionality.

2727
05:04:45,160 --> 05:04:53,900
and it's in the plan and as well you know there is work that is going on with the net team as

2728
05:04:53,900 --> 05:05:01,200
well. We had an ad hoc that's in this quarter but we had an ad hoc site assessment that we did

2729
05:05:01,200 --> 05:05:07,380
for the area behind Shell and so we're putting that report together to build the pass-on with recommendations.

2730
05:05:07,380 --> 05:05:07,640
questions.

2731
05:05:11,350 --> 05:05:18,730
No other questions there. Thanks, sir. Okay. Thanks, ma'am. Moving on the agenda

2732
05:05:18,730 --> 05:05:27,770
6.5.4 improving safety and connectivity on Northern Highways advocacy. So this is mine,

2733
05:05:27,770 --> 05:05:30,910
but yours because you're on the Noma Board.

2734
05:05:33,820 --> 05:05:37,520
So what's so cold work for you want me to speak

2735
05:05:37,520 --> 05:05:41,180
Yeah, that's okay. I just put my name on the report.

2736
05:05:41,520 --> 05:05:43,080
I appreciate that.

2737
05:05:44,020 --> 05:05:49,940
So, yeah, this is, I mean, this isn't a new idea.

2738
05:05:50,240 --> 05:05:53,180
It's been advocacy going on for years.

2739
05:05:53,600 --> 05:05:58,180
Even in this just small area, we've been advocating for 20.

2740
05:05:59,620 --> 05:06:06,860
But the start and it really picked up steam at AMO last year

2741
05:06:06,860 --> 05:06:17,040
when we met with the Minister of Transportation, as a NOLO board, and we actually had a lot of,

2742
05:06:17,040 --> 05:06:25,000
we had about a 45 minute session of FaceTime with the minister and staff to try and explain

2743
05:06:25,000 --> 05:06:34,880
what, again, the uniqueness of Northern Northwest Ontario, you know, explaining that the Transcan

2744
05:06:34,880 --> 05:06:39,780
highway actually it connects the country and it comes right through here and

2745
05:06:39,780 --> 05:06:46,800
well you have to sometimes you have to provide geography lessons but you know

2746
05:06:46,800 --> 05:06:53,220
so it continued to advocate on that I mean there was there was a bit of

2747
05:06:53,220 --> 05:06:57,500
stuff from the last federal budget or the budget that's in the it hasn't been

2748
05:06:57,500 --> 05:07:05,400
past yet, but it's, or I guess it has been passed now. You know, recognize him not

2749
05:07:05,400 --> 05:07:12,000
an fairness to the provincial government. They can't do it alone. I mean, the

2750
05:07:12,000 --> 05:07:22,380
province is too vast. So it's, you know, the two plus one highway design, you know, is

2751
05:07:22,380 --> 05:07:31,440
is the next best thing to 20, they do it in other countries, and it works, it's fairly

2752
05:07:31,440 --> 05:07:39,780
cost-effective, it's a lot quicker, and you know, shorter that, you know, more passing

2753
05:07:39,780 --> 05:07:46,740
lanes and passing lanes that are not two kilometers long, which is ridiculous because you cause

2754
05:07:46,740 --> 05:07:52,100
more accidents than it stops because you're rushing, right? They have most

2755
05:07:52,100 --> 05:07:57,260
side of West of Thunder Bay. There's a couple there that are like 10

2756
05:07:57,260 --> 05:08:04,300
kilometers long and it clears traffic and it makes a huge difference at that

2757
05:08:04,300 --> 05:08:11,060
far end of like Highway 17. It's not the end all be all but it's something

2758
05:08:11,060 --> 05:08:15,720
I mean, that's a lot better than we have now.

2759
05:08:16,880 --> 05:08:21,420
But they'll continue to do this and advocate

2760
05:08:23,620 --> 05:08:26,280
because they think it's that important and there are,

2761
05:08:26,560 --> 05:08:28,600
when you hear from other colleagues on NOMA,

2762
05:08:28,960 --> 05:08:31,960
that live on the highway 11 connector piece.

2763
05:08:33,280 --> 05:08:38,140
Like they said, there's hardly any even shoulders to pull over

2764
05:08:38,140 --> 05:08:44,920
for like you know 30, 40, 50 kilometers unless you get into a business or a

2765
05:08:44,920 --> 05:08:50,020
community or whatever, no passing lanes whatsoever and then again that's the

2766
05:08:50,020 --> 05:08:56,760
next leg going north if something because you know along the north shorts you

2767
05:08:56,760 --> 05:09:01,220
talk about being closed here it's closed there all the time so a lot of them we

2768
05:09:01,220 --> 05:09:08,040
road up 11 and the conditions just aren't there and you know truck traffic and

2769
05:09:08,040 --> 05:09:12,500
all the economic development that they're talking about in the north it

2770
05:09:12,500 --> 05:09:18,920
becomes it becomes imperative that something's done because we know how long

2771
05:09:18,920 --> 05:09:25,480
planning takes to you know even put six kilometers of twinning in here it took

2772
05:09:25,480 --> 05:09:37,880
a decade. So, yeah, it's just, you know, continued advocacy and hopefully, hopefully we'd

2773
05:09:37,880 --> 05:09:44,080
look at it favorably. And, you know, it's at the end all be all know, but it's going

2774
05:09:44,080 --> 05:09:50,580
to reach enough people that we're committed to this and to continue to lobby and advocate

2775
05:09:50,580 --> 05:09:57,840
on behalf of all of Northwestern Northern Ontario because we all have the same again issue in

2776
05:09:57,840 --> 05:10:05,820
this case. So that's kind of what it's all about and it spurred out of a meeting like through

2777
05:10:10,540 --> 05:10:11,420
Okay,

2778
05:10:14,460 --> 05:10:19,500
moving on the agenda, 6.5.5 mandatory water safety advocacy.

2779
05:10:22,000 --> 05:10:32,480
Okay, so yeah, so this is a advocacy report that has been circulating once many municipalities

2780
05:10:32,480 --> 05:10:35,800
all these within Ontario and this is following,

2781
05:10:36,140 --> 05:10:39,360
this was originated in Dryden when they had a tragic event

2782
05:10:39,840 --> 05:10:43,680
in their community pertaining to children drowning.

2783
05:10:44,500 --> 05:10:46,920
And so this advocacy has been circulating

2784
05:10:46,920 --> 05:10:53,080
and to support really the implementing mandatory

2785
05:10:53,740 --> 05:10:55,080
water safety programming.

2786
05:10:55,600 --> 05:10:57,940
So that would be through the Minister of Education.

2787
05:10:59,160 --> 05:11:01,580
Other communities are taking initiative

2788
05:11:01,580 --> 05:11:07,800
in their communities to do different things outside of this, such as life-saving devices

2789
05:11:07,800 --> 05:11:13,260
at their beaches and dogs. So, those are other things that I've seen through the different

2790
05:11:13,260 --> 05:11:14,820
interpretations. Any

2791
05:11:18,860 --> 05:11:25,860
questions, council? Okay, thank you Heather. Moving on the agenda,

2792
05:11:27,380 --> 05:11:33,580
you have 6.5.6, we have corporate services, QCRE report, and then do you want to flip back to

2793
05:11:35,240 --> 05:11:40,980
higher emergency services or do you, or just see if we have questions or? Yeah, if there's

2794
05:11:40,980 --> 05:11:45,560
any questions, I mean, I can speak to either one of them. And then we can move on to active. Sure,

2795
05:11:47,060 --> 05:12:02,420
So I'll just briefly cover the highlights from my team a lot of property standards in Q3 a lot of property standards matters getting closed before we get into the winter season which is always important.

2796
05:12:03,120 --> 05:12:09,160
So they had 63 completed property standards matters in Q3 which is it's a high volume.

2797
05:12:09,160 --> 05:12:16,980
We have two new officers in by-law enforcement and only one trained certified property standards

2798
05:12:16,980 --> 05:12:23,180
officers so that really puts a lot of pressure on one officer who is the certified officer

2799
05:12:23,180 --> 05:12:32,220
to conduct those property standards depending on if they have to go to charges or if it's

2800
05:12:32,220 --> 05:12:36,600
just voluntary compliance, but it's still working with those property owners.

2801
05:12:38,640 --> 05:12:42,500
Thank you for your worship. Just a quick question about sort of property standards and

2802
05:12:42,500 --> 05:12:49,560
by-law enforcement. Is it how I want to phrase this? Is it still sort of complaints based

2803
05:12:49,560 --> 05:12:55,720
driven or is the, and there's just so much workload or is it something that the officer

2804
05:12:55,720 --> 05:13:02,380
individual is able to be proactive about, you know, enforcing our property standards by-law?

2805
05:13:02,380 --> 05:13:16,140
So I would love to say that it is more proactive than reactive, but unfortunately right now it's primarily driven by complaints because of the volume of complaints.

2806
05:13:17,640 --> 05:13:29,060
So the officers, you know, have been, both the manager and supervisor have, you know, talked to the officers about being proactive when you're driving by something and you see something, put it on the list.

2807
05:13:30,260 --> 05:13:37,080
It depends on the severity, if obviously if they saw something that was more significant

2808
05:13:37,080 --> 05:13:42,640
than something that's already been logged as a service request or as a complaint, then

2809
05:13:43,140 --> 05:13:44,680
they would prioritize that.

2810
05:13:45,160 --> 05:13:51,200
But right now, it's keeping up, summer is always the highest of volume of complaints and

2811
05:13:51,200 --> 05:13:57,440
if we could get a little more compliance, self-compliance, and there was not this mandatory

2812
05:13:57,440 --> 05:14:02,460
steps to take them through, you have to comply or you're going to, you know, we're going

2813
05:14:02,460 --> 05:14:07,140
to lead to charges. If it's not court processes and all of those things, all of that takes

2814
05:14:07,140 --> 05:14:14,080
a tremendous amount of time. And some people are really quick to say, oh, I'm sorry, I didn't

2815
05:14:14,080 --> 05:14:19,900
know I can't do that. And they comply and others don't care. So that takes a lot of the

2816
05:14:19,900 --> 05:14:27,100
officer's time. So the goal is to get to where we are doing a lot more proactive enforcement

2817
05:14:27,100 --> 05:14:28,440
when it comes to property standards.

2818
05:15:15,500 --> 05:15:32,200
I can definitely take that back to the, you know, department, if they're seeing common themes in certain areas. I know that several years ago, planning developed a great promotional brochure on what you can do when it comes to zoning.

2819
05:15:32,200 --> 05:15:39,100
with, you know, campers, trailers, boats, all of those time, and that was on our website

2820
05:15:39,100 --> 05:15:43,320
now. I don't know if that's still on our website, but I can follow up with that to see

2821
05:15:43,320 --> 05:15:47,760
if there is common themes and what we could do a little more proactive communication

2822
05:15:47,760 --> 05:15:48,620
on for sure.

2823
05:15:52,340 --> 05:15:57,640
Okay. So Councillor Manson will be happy to see

2824
05:15:57,640 --> 05:16:04,240
that there are more service requests that are closed during the season. A lot of requests

2825
05:16:04,240 --> 05:16:10,660
that come in. And so kind of how I've explained service requests are, it depends on when the service

2826
05:16:10,660 --> 05:16:17,440
request comes in and when it is closed. So for example, snowplow damage that is done in the

2827
05:16:17,440 --> 05:16:22,260
winter time, the crews can't get to that until the spring or summer. So that service request is

2828
05:16:22,260 --> 05:16:28,140
going to sit there outstanding until that work can get done. So you see a lot more service requests

2829
05:16:28,800 --> 05:16:34,520
closing. I will say that we've seen, this is more of a queue heading into a queue

2830
05:16:34,520 --> 05:16:39,640
four, but we've seen a lot of, we've seen a big decline in service requests in

2831
05:16:39,640 --> 05:16:43,940
our roads area, which has been great news. There's been a lot of good work

2832
05:16:43,940 --> 05:16:50,300
happening there and a lot of things getting done. So that's full kudos to the

2833
05:16:50,300 --> 05:16:54,920
team over in the road department because it's also reflected into my team who are

2834
05:16:54,920 --> 05:16:57,100
taking those calls and managing those service requests.

2835
05:16:59,420 --> 05:17:04,820
So IT launched an onboarding and off-boarding process for internal is more of an internal

2836
05:17:04,820 --> 05:17:10,400
thing, but it is really freed up a lot of time for managers and supervisors, so that's

2837
05:17:10,400 --> 05:17:13,040
a positive employee experience.

2838
05:17:13,080 --> 05:17:17,840
It's also positive for the new employees who are coming on and being onboarded, so it's

2839
05:17:17,840 --> 05:17:19,680
just a technical process.

2840
05:17:19,680 --> 05:17:27,580
us. Wave had a strong Q3 as usual, 10% increase in completed trips, which I don't know

2841
05:17:27,580 --> 05:17:32,800
how they're squeezing out any more trips, but they are managing to get a little more every

2842
05:17:32,800 --> 05:17:40,280
time by really tweaking the algorithms and the amount of time that hours on the road.

2843
05:17:45,860 --> 05:17:52,140
I was told that some of the schools back onto the water safety thing, some of the schools

2844
05:17:52,140 --> 05:17:59,320
are because of the increased cost of busing or considering trying to book all of the

2845
05:17:59,320 --> 05:18:02,600
way advanced to take kids to swimming lessons.

2846
05:18:05,080 --> 05:18:11,440
How are we doing about this sort of monopolizing a service and I don't honestly believe it

2847
05:18:11,440 --> 05:18:17,580
whatever work they're in there talking about it yeah they they're such a high

2848
05:18:17,580 --> 05:18:22,240
demand so it's a good problem to have so the investment that council is made in

2849
05:18:22,240 --> 05:18:29,220
the wave has driven over 200% increase in our public transportation so more

2850
05:18:29,220 --> 05:18:33,660
people are writing it people that have never read it before are now taking

2851
05:18:33,660 --> 05:18:38,260
advantage of writing public transportation which is a good thing but on the flip

2852
05:18:38,260 --> 05:18:46,860
side in order to increase the amount of available vehicles and hours and days requires more funding

2853
05:18:46,860 --> 05:18:50,260
and public transportation is highly subsidized.

2854
05:18:50,980 --> 05:18:58,520
So because the demand is so high, there's no way they'll be able to access enough vehicles

2855
05:18:58,520 --> 05:19:01,420
to get that many students.

2856
05:19:01,500 --> 05:19:03,440
These classroom sizes are over 30 now.

2857
05:19:04,100 --> 05:19:08,480
There's no way you'll get enough fan, we don't even have enough fans on the road to

2858
05:19:08,480 --> 05:19:10,580
accommodate that all going at the same time.

2859
05:19:11,040 --> 05:19:15,320
So you can see the rides per hour, so if you really broke down the rides per hour and

2860
05:19:15,320 --> 05:19:18,140
the number of students, they'll never be able to make that work.

2861
05:19:19,280 --> 05:19:23,600
So it might be something that they've never approached me about that or had a conversation

2862
05:19:23,600 --> 05:19:27,520
with me about it, but I just don't think it's feasible.

2863
05:19:28,580 --> 05:19:34,160
there's no unused hours in the day where the demand isn't there and you can't

2864
05:19:34,160 --> 05:19:37,160
pre-book so it's on demand.

2865
05:19:41,740 --> 05:19:44,260
Website, so Maya did a great presentation this

2866
05:19:44,260 --> 05:19:48,720
morning just on our website redesign. There's still some work needed to be done

2867
05:19:48,720 --> 05:19:58,020
in a few areas but that continues. The Thistle Arena Concrete Lab War, the video

2868
05:19:58,020 --> 05:20:08,580
that was done. We've had almost 16,000 views on that video and 11,000 unique viewers. So

2869
05:20:08,580 --> 05:20:14,960
that is a big outrage, right? And communications is working hard on video. You've seen Greg,

2870
05:20:14,960 --> 05:20:19,140
I think we're going to turn him in. We're going to take him out of his director of infrastructure

2871
05:20:19,140 --> 05:20:25,380
and operations tournament to our video master because he likes to do videos. He can dig on a new

2872
05:20:25,380 --> 05:20:37,080
But we're seeing where, you know, and I know that more video was important to council and we are really trying to listen to that and use video whenever we can.

2873
05:20:37,860 --> 05:20:45,360
And then there's going to be important change to the social media metrics in terms so we're working through that process through the comms department.

2874
05:20:47,640 --> 05:20:48,560
That's it for me.

2875
05:20:50,040 --> 05:20:56,800
Thanks, Heather. No other questions? So, would we like to, would you like to move back

2876
05:20:56,800 --> 05:21:04,480
then to just to see if there's any questions? To 6.3, fire emergency services. So, we have

2877
05:21:04,480 --> 05:21:11,740
the municipal emergency management program amendments. Yeah. You're comfortable. Yeah. So, this

2878
05:21:11,740 --> 05:21:17,180
is our emergency management program, which is passed by by law and that's required by the

2879
05:21:17,180 --> 05:21:23,760
Ministry to pass that bylaw and what we've discovered is that as we've tried to work

2880
05:21:23,760 --> 05:21:30,900
through our annual reporting requirements, the emergency control group must meet twice

2881
05:21:30,900 --> 05:21:38,780
a year and we also must have an organized training, which is usually a mock event of some

2882
05:21:38,780 --> 05:21:39,000
type.

2883
05:21:39,000 --> 05:21:42,480
Sometimes it's tabletop and sometimes it's in person.

2884
05:21:43,720 --> 05:21:50,260
But the actual emergency management control group, which is a small group, and then they bring

2885
05:21:50,260 --> 05:21:57,560
in the larger group is big, and you have to have 100% of the membership there to count

2886
05:21:57,560 --> 05:21:58,140
that you met.

2887
05:21:59,040 --> 05:22:01,880
So if one person's missing, you didn't meet.

2888
05:22:03,240 --> 05:22:06,380
So all of these people don't need to be part of the main core.

2889
05:22:06,380 --> 05:22:13,360
So, you see we've stripped down who forms part of the main control group, and then the

2890
05:22:13,360 --> 05:22:19,620
rest of the program committee is expanded, and so we're just changing who those people

2891
05:22:19,620 --> 05:22:19,820
are.

2892
05:22:22,500 --> 05:22:23,700
Rolls, not people.

2893
05:22:26,910 --> 05:22:27,330
Any questions?

2894
05:22:30,000 --> 05:22:30,180
Okay.

2895
05:22:31,720 --> 05:22:34,380
Move on to 6.3.2.

2896
05:22:35,120 --> 05:22:38,660
Do you want to do the Q3 report or just see if there's any questions?

2897
05:22:38,660 --> 05:22:45,280
I think just if they're chief Howard, I did say to him, I mean his report is pretty straightforward

2898
05:22:45,280 --> 05:22:52,080
and I think if there was any questions I would take it back to him but all of the stats

2899
05:22:52,080 --> 05:22:54,300
and data are there for council to review.

2900
05:22:54,720 --> 05:23:08,160
No questions and council, okay, so then we can move back to 6.6, we have 6.6.1, economic development

2901
05:23:08,160 --> 05:23:15,460
and tourism. Thank you very much. So again quarterly reports are always an

2902
05:23:15,460 --> 05:23:20,360
opportunity to highlight the great work of staff. Highlights for this

2903
05:23:20,360 --> 05:23:25,700
particular quarterly report would be great Canadian docs setting up shop in

2904
05:23:25,700 --> 05:23:27,980
Canora. We were successful.

2905
05:23:30,260 --> 05:23:34,160
I just got a text by me. It's going to start my

2906
05:24:32,280 --> 05:24:38,800
So great Canadian docs came to us in January of this year and we did the ribbon cutting

2907
05:24:38,800 --> 05:24:46,280
in July tremendous success in terms of being able to turn just an idea around to actually

2908
05:24:46,280 --> 05:24:51,700
securing space and doing a ribbon cutting and we have heard back from them that they

2909
05:24:51,700 --> 05:24:55,640
have had a very successful year so they're very happy with their decision to move to

2910
05:24:55,640 --> 05:25:00,560
Canors. That's really good. A couple of other highlights is the continued

2911
05:25:00,560 --> 05:25:08,680
advocacy that we do. This is largely Allison on the immigration front and her work with

2912
05:25:08,680 --> 05:25:10,160
the Northern Policy Institute.

2913
05:25:10,320 --> 05:25:13,680
Now that work has evolved into NOMA.

2914
05:25:14,080 --> 05:25:16,280
Getting involved and the mayor getting involved

2915
05:25:16,280 --> 05:25:17,540
and other mayor is getting involved

2916
05:25:17,540 --> 05:25:21,020
in terms of advocacy on the immigration front.

2917
05:25:25,720 --> 05:25:28,160
I should mention the Youth Enterprise Daycap.

2918
05:25:29,180 --> 05:25:32,200
Like my kids both went to Bizkit when they were,

2919
05:25:32,500 --> 05:25:34,260
like, you know, under 10 years old

2920
05:25:34,260 --> 05:25:36,700
and it had a profound effect on them

2921
05:25:36,700 --> 05:26:01,780
in terms of who they are as adults now, making the decision to live in Winnipeg, or live in Canora so we get educated in one big and come back, and one of the two is an entrepreneur, so that seed was planted through Biscuits, so this Youth Entrepreneurship daycap that the city puts on an annual basis, I think is terrific to expose young people to new ideas and things and opportunities for the future.

2922
05:26:01,780 --> 05:26:09,960
I just want to mention the Northwest Business Center and all the work that's been going

2923
05:26:09,960 --> 05:26:16,280
on there and the work in particularly with the started company, with 33 applications

2924
05:26:16,280 --> 05:26:19,740
coming in and 14 businesses going through the program.

2925
05:26:20,960 --> 05:26:27,140
And then just tourism in general, they run flat out for four months a year.

2926
05:26:27,140 --> 05:26:57,120
There's a number of different initiatives identified in the quarterly report, handled by our tourism department who continue to do great things and there's a reason why people come back, you know, I think it's 86 to 89% of the time that people have been here nine or more times, they report an intent. This is not seasonal residents. This is visitors that they plan on coming back. It's because they come here and they have a good time. And that's largely because the effort that our tourism department

2927
05:26:57,120 --> 05:27:02,900
staff do, but all the other staff that support tourism as well, like parks and such in terms

2928
05:27:02,900 --> 05:27:06,960
of making sure that things look right for the visitors that come here.

2929
05:27:07,420 --> 05:27:12,660
So show to the tourism staff, I know that they're probably ready to curl up in a bulk

2930
05:27:12,660 --> 05:27:18,280
on late September and have a nap for about a month, so happy to answer any questions.

2931
05:27:18,280 --> 05:27:19,300
I,

2932
05:27:25,420 --> 05:27:29,920
it's more of a comment than a question I've been involved in a few things down at the

2933
05:27:29,920 --> 05:27:36,240
tent and I just want to say to you amount of work they do in a short period of time keeping

2934
05:27:36,240 --> 05:27:41,600
that place clean and flipping it from event to event and Morgan seems to be living

2935
05:27:41,600 --> 05:27:49,040
their day and night you know I'm sure everyone does but she's just I mean it's, it's an

2936
05:27:51,120 --> 05:27:56,500
and we really appreciate everything that happens there and it seems to be a

2937
05:27:56,500 --> 05:28:02,300
magnet for tourists. Thank you for that. We did a we had a student stand there

2938
05:28:02,300 --> 05:28:06,840
and count people at the Medelliske's farmer market through one entrance there

2939
05:28:06,840 --> 05:28:12,580
was 5,000 people that went through on a Wednesday and when we do our planning

2940
05:28:12,580 --> 05:28:16,580
session for next summer I'll actually share with you the worksheet that we

2941
05:28:16,580 --> 05:28:21,800
go through so each day the number of staff that are required to actually manage the event

2942
05:28:21,800 --> 05:28:26,440
but not only transition the event because sometimes you're you've got four hours or something

2943
05:28:26,440 --> 05:28:31,840
like that to do a major change and you're and thank you for recognizing all staff that

2944
05:28:31,840 --> 05:28:37,000
are there it's a real team effort and it's pretty amazing what they can do and again it's

2945
05:28:37,000 --> 05:28:41,880
all about having people have a good experience when they're there the next thing I just wanted

2946
05:28:41,880 --> 05:28:49,020
to give you a chance to comment on was on page 419, the table, the summary table of events

2947
05:28:49,020 --> 05:28:49,620
attended.

2948
05:28:50,340 --> 05:28:50,440
Yes.

2949
05:28:50,680 --> 05:28:56,340
The business visits number, like the rest of the data sort of remains stable, but that's

2950
05:28:56,340 --> 05:29:00,380
one that does, and I'm wondering if you could just let us know what goes on there and why

2951
05:29:00,380 --> 05:29:00,900
that's not.

2952
05:29:01,300 --> 05:29:07,120
Yeah, so Q3 is typically a drop down because that's our busy season for our businesses, so we

2953
05:29:07,120 --> 05:29:11,860
allow them to run their businesses, and then that will pop back up again as we start to

2954
05:29:11,860 --> 05:29:19,440
get ready for Q4 events, the spoiler alert, for the holiday trail, there's 24 businesses

2955
05:29:19,440 --> 05:29:24,260
that have signed up. Each time that a business signs up for that, that's one or two or three

2956
05:29:24,260 --> 05:29:28,760
individual meetings with both people. So we just let people run their business and focus

2957
05:29:28,760 --> 05:29:31,800
on their customers. So that does dip down in Q3.

2958
05:29:32,400 --> 05:29:32,660
Thank you.

2959
05:29:32,900 --> 05:29:33,060
Yeah.

2960
05:29:33,460 --> 05:29:36,450
Go ahead, council member.

2961
05:29:37,370 --> 05:29:42,770
Can you comment all of them with fall here and winter imminent about their snowmobiling?

2962
05:29:45,250 --> 05:29:51,990
Is there any plans to do any projects with the snow bill club or talk about it before

2963
05:29:51,990 --> 05:29:55,670
but just increasing kind of that accessibility in that.

2964
05:29:55,670 --> 05:29:59,970
Yeah, so for the last two years, there were activities...

2965
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:29,460
So, we had a couple of activities that were funded by Matt in support of the snow club and this year we haven't been approached for anything incremental. So, some of the things that we would have had dealt with was the rest stop at the ANW and just cutting that trail that goes in there. So, that could occur. We did look at the potential to have snow wheel traffic across at the ANW intersection, but determined that to be unsafe. We had the situation on the east side that you and I were both involved with.

2966
05:30:29,460 --> 05:30:50,480
And we clean that up, so, you know, fortunately we have staff that are actually on that club and it's a pretty easy reach out if there is something that they need, you know, support with signager or something that they might be doing where they need a financial contribution towards, you know, some sort of marketing that they're doing, but we haven't heard anything as yet this year.

2967
05:30:50,480 --> 05:30:56,320
Anything as far as I've talked years ago about a cross town corridor, is that even

2968
05:30:56,320 --> 05:31:03,160
conversation anymore? There's really nothing safe on the north side that

2969
05:31:03,160 --> 05:31:08,280
would allow us to actually create that corridor. So we're you know we're

2970
05:31:08,280 --> 05:31:13,340
limited by you know a self-entry which is yeah it's just a lot of extra driving

2971
05:31:13,340 --> 05:31:17,680
unfortunately. Yeah and is there with like I guess this will pop in with

2972
05:31:17,680 --> 05:31:22,940
conversation with the club, but any type of a big event like a rally or anything like

2973
05:31:22,940 --> 05:31:27,580
that that could, you know, that we could have like a, you know, we have our winter carnival

2974
05:31:27,580 --> 05:31:32,760
in the spring, but I think it kind of needed to attract that sort of catchment area from

2975
05:31:32,760 --> 05:31:35,220
Manitoba and to Canara.

2976
05:31:35,540 --> 05:31:36,120
Is that ever been?

2977
05:31:37,260 --> 05:31:41,100
It's not that I've been involved with, but I could certainly take that away because the

2978
05:31:41,100 --> 05:31:44,720
one thing that we're really good at is, you know, our marketing and social media.

2979
05:31:44,720 --> 05:31:49,500
So, if there's something that they want it to do as a way to either increase activity

2980
05:31:49,500 --> 05:31:53,700
or maybe just get more people coming from out of province and buying passes here and

2981
05:31:53,700 --> 05:31:56,800
that sort of thing, that's something that we could support on the marketing front with.

2982
05:31:59,160 --> 05:32:04,180
Okay, and I know we've had such success just like with the farmers market and be great

2983
05:32:04,180 --> 05:32:10,980
to have and the carnival is great and the tree lighting and be great to have something centered

2984
05:32:10,980 --> 05:32:15,120
around that because there's a lot of money to be spent here in Canora and you know people

2985
05:32:15,120 --> 05:32:20,120
that are a joy, snow-bearing, generally, we have a bit of disposable income in it.

2986
05:32:20,740 --> 05:32:22,240
So, anyway, thanks, thanks.

2987
05:32:22,360 --> 05:32:25,220
Yeah, they say when you come with the snowmobile, you just come with your wallet, right?

2988
05:32:25,920 --> 05:32:26,680
Pretty much, yeah.

2989
05:32:28,100 --> 05:32:28,600
Councilor Anderson.

2990
05:32:29,980 --> 05:32:31,500
I like the wood speedway.

2991
05:32:31,800 --> 05:32:34,740
Is it set up for snow machine racing?

2992
05:32:35,600 --> 05:32:36,120
Of any kind?

2993
05:32:37,880 --> 05:32:40,960
I do not know the answer to that.

2994
05:32:41,960 --> 05:32:43,700
Yeah, because those used to be fun to watch.

2995
05:32:43,700 --> 05:32:44,740
I'll

2996
05:32:48,000 --> 05:32:50,220
take that back to Josh. Thank you.

2997
05:32:51,980 --> 05:32:53,520
We'll be on thanks for that.

2998
05:32:55,180 --> 05:32:58,820
As your motion to adjourn.

2999
05:33:01,800 --> 05:33:04,060
Number two, yeah.

3000
05:33:04,800 --> 05:33:05,760
Go ahead, Barbara.

3001
05:33:06,920 --> 05:33:08,340
Okay. Thank you.

3002
05:33:08,480 --> 05:33:09,440
We're moved by myself.

3003
05:33:09,740 --> 05:33:11,480
And seconded by Councillor Bernie,

3004
05:33:11,800 --> 05:33:15,840
that pursuant to section 239 of the Miss Black 2001

3005
05:33:15,840 --> 05:33:19,360
as amended authorization for council to move

3006
05:33:19,360 --> 05:33:24,520
into a closed session at 2.35 p.m. to discuss items pertaining to the following.

3007
05:33:25,420 --> 05:33:29,100
Education and training members of council, one matter, development update,

3008
05:33:29,540 --> 05:33:33,940
labor relations, one matter. Council will be verbally reporting in a general sense

3009
05:33:33,940 --> 05:33:38,540
on all items considered in the closed session. Once we return from the closed session

3010
05:33:38,540 --> 05:33:39,840
to move back to a concession.

3011
07:31:11,630 --> 07:31:20,070
Welcome back. I'd like to pass it on to Councillor Chase, too. Thank you, Your Worship, or

3012
07:31:20,070 --> 07:31:23,990
Madam Deputy, I mean, so we have moved out of close back into open and just reporting

3013
07:31:23,990 --> 07:31:28,610
from our closed session that we discussed, a development update and a labor relations

3014
07:31:28,610 --> 07:31:30,350
matter and that no direction has been given.

3015
07:31:39,030 --> 07:31:42,210
We're adjourned for 33.