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>> All right.

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» All right.

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>> This meeting is being trans.

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» This meeting is being trans.

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>> I'd like to call the regular city

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» I'd like to call the regular city

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council meeting of January 6 to order.

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Would you please call the role?

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>> Gage here. [clears throat]

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» Gage here. [clears throat]

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>> Ziggy

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» Ziggy

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>> here.

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» here.

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>> Matani

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» Matani

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>> here. Bradbury here. Gas

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» here. Bradbury here. Gas

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>> here.

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» here.

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>> Finnegan

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» Finnegan

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>> here. Severson

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» here. Severson

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>> here. Please rise for the pledge of

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» here. Please rise for the pledge of

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allegiance.

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» And to the republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all.

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>> Thank you.

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» Thank you.

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The Ketchan City Council would like to

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respectfully acknowledge the traditional

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first people of this land in Ketchan,

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the Tongous Clankish people. Under

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communications

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uh lay on the table, we have a updated

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3B

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uh which is updated 7F in regards to um

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ordinance number 26 2015 amending third

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positions of the Ketchan missile code

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water rates. We have an update

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uh 3C. It's a agenda item uh the cost

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per eru by increasing sewer rate by 8%

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and providing for effective date.

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We have uh 3D D which is um uh agenda

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item seven provide the title of motion

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of ordinance 2617

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and it has levy of tax uh in regards to

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sales tax. Uh

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we also have a revised motion for item

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5e authorizing procurement replacement

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of fire department command vehicle.

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we have a request to withdraw item 7D

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employment contract uh city manager

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general manager.

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We have a request to withdraw item 15A

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with the request of the executive

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session negotiation of city manager

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employment contract and then we have a

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calendar for upcoming

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So with that brings us to persons to be

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heard. We are going to have a threeminut

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rule tonight. Clerk will be keeping uh

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the time on that. And so madam clerk who

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do we have in front of us first?

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>> Steven Reeve.

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» Steven Reeve.

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Hi, Stephen Reed.

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I want to be brief. You have a lot on

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your agenda tonight, but and I it has to

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do with restrooms. I want to comment on

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the proposal before you want to thank

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public works for their initial effort.

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Uh, but my main point tonight to you is

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going to be to slow down. Uh, restrooms

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are complicated projects. They're

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difficult. They're expensive. they often

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fail and we need a much better process

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for succeeding with this project that's

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before you. Um

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there hasn't really been any public

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process yet. There was a meeting on the

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19th uh that most of us had already had

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holiday plans and couldn't attend. And

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that's the only I'm aware of. I've only

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learned in the last few days of the uh

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two sites that are being proposed to you

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and the uh drawings of those sites. Um

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in some rabbits support either one of

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the sites or the design program that

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we're that we're uh moving toward. Um

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there are a lot of other sites that

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should be considered. I personally don't

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think we ought to be looking at large

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restroom facilities like eight, nine

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units that are expensive, difficult to

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police and and manage. Um the sites that

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are before you I wanted to quickly

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comment on one is uh at 217 Steman next

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to the New York Cafe.

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Uh that is very problematic. Um it takes

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away a net of five. I'm very familiar

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with the parking spaces there. It takes

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away a net of five parking spaces in an

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area that's really overburdened in the

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summertime because of the harbor and

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other things. We don't have public

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parking on Seventh Street. That would

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really exacerbate that issue. Um also uh

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we uh have long wanted to provide access

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up the hill to city and lands that hotel

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has up on top of the hill. This would

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prevent that access. So we that that's a

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serious issue. Um there's no way to de

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develop those lands. We have a proposal

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for public works now to be able to do

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that. Um the other issue there are

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adjacent property owners that has a big

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impact on both of the properties on

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either side of of that site. Uh and it

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just can't work there. the other site

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that's before you as I understand it and

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as I say I'm not totally fluent with

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everything that's happening but it's

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next to Dolly's house. Um that also is

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problematic especially for a proposal

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that has like nine units. We don't need

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nine units there. Uh there are

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property owners on the creek and

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business on the creek would like to have

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two maybe four units on the creek to

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supplement what some property owners are

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are willing to do within their own

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premises. Uh we don't need a facility

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this big and it's hard to it's hard to

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manage a facility like that and all the

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policing of it that's necessary u when

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it's up the boardwalk like that. It also

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provides a another destination

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attraction which we don't need on the

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creek. Uh given the carrying capacity

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right now with the the boardwalk, um we

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people who really aren't that interested

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in the creek but want to use the

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bathroom would uh would come there and

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that's that's one of the most crowded

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spaces we have.

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» So in wrap up, Steve, are you asking us

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to have another public meeting in regard

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to all these sites? Yeah, I think we

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need to review uh I think what I think

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we really need to engage affected

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property owners too. For example, on

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that particular site, I'm doing a

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contract right now for the city on uh

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Creek Street Historic District and other

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historic districts and neighborhoods in

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the downtown. And one of the things we

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thought would be great on the site would

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be a presentation of the indigenous use

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of Creek Street for the tens of

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thousands of years before white folks

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came. And maybe they could maybe that

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presentation the panels we imagine could

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coexist with a much smaller um much

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smaller

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restroom unit there. I'm not sure. But

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no one has talked to affected

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propagators, the groups that represent

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places like Creek Street, and uh we need

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to slow down a little bit and get their

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opinions. We'll do

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>> Thank you.

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» Thank you.

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>> That's all. Any questions?

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» That's all. Any questions?

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» Yes. I just have one because uh you know

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we hear from people who are very

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passionate on this issue that have said

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I think rightfully so that we've drugg

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our feet and postponed and canceled and

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delayed for a long time. So while I hear

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you on slowing down, I guess my question

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would be do you have an ideal location

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you would recommend? Have you thought of

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any yet or

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» I I have three or four other locations

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in the proximity that I'd recommend? I'd

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be happy to provide all of those. Um I

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also think that we shouldn't give short

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thrift to the notion of a mobile unit

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initially. Uh that could have a lot of

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benefits to the community. Uh I don't

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think we should take that off the table.

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The other thing is I think we ought to

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work constructively with property owners

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to see how many units we could pull

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together within their businesses. It's

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worked in a lot of communities like ours

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across the country and I think we I

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think we need to consider that. Thank

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you.

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» I'd be happy to work with That's why I

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think we just need to slow down. I think

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a lot of us would be happy to work with

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public works on on the site and and on

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the other issues that face us.

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>> Dalton Arnold.

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» Hello. Um, last time I was here, I gave

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everybody a word doc on how to move more

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agriculture here to Alaska because

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there's food shortage. I'm apparently

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experiencing a food shortage.

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Okay, so we do have mountain lines. I've

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had very close encounters. I spend a lot

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of time these days. Um, they do exist

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and I did speak to Saxman and he also

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said there's mountain lines. So I don't

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know exactly how many there are. I can

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verify two between 70 and 130 pounds.

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So, and Paul Hamilton, my boss, has one

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off game camera. So, they do exist. And

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I was running around and seeing

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everybody during deer season. And we

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don't have a lot of big game bucks. So,

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right now, it's just a slaughter for the

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deer. I've been throwing crab pots these

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past couple nights. The crabs are small,

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so we can't supplement with crab right

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now. at least for the next four years.

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And uh been trying to network with

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everybody out here in the harbors

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because we got a bunch of broke down

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boats. My boat's broke down. I currently

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just got a uh

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they're going to impound it within the

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next 5 days.

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My ID I'm actually I'm a Missurrian, but

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I have a Texas ID and it's broken and

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I've had two birth certificates not show

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up to me in the mail. So, I still

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haven't been able to become Alaskan

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citizen here and my votes going to get

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packed.

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Very problematic. Like to work together

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with everybody.

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» Thank you.

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>> I'll be back at the book,

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» John Flora.

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My name is John Flora. I live at 1127

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Woodland and as most of you know, I'm

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also the owner of Yellow Fac. I'm here

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tonight to discuss the need for changing

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the requirements for a person to obtain

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a taxi license and catch a taxi industry

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is probably about 40 people short of

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being properly staffed. the the current

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system we have is too restrictive and

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more importantly it's too antiquated.

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The time frame is too long. Um

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everything that has to be done to get a

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cab license in in catch can has to be

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done or virtually everything has to be

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done in Ketchacan. Right now there's

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people down south starting to think

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about summer jobs. I have no way to

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recruit those people. I have no way to

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sign them up. Um, and by the time they

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do get here, they either have a job or

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they're not they don't want to wait the

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10 days to two weeks it takes to get a

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taxi license. They go get another job

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out of the thousands that we have here.

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So, my ask is that we change the local

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ordinance

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to pattern itself after the TMC law that

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was passed six, seven years ago that

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allowed Uber. What that would involve is

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the companies would do most of the work

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to vet the drivers, both criminal and

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driving record. That information would

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make its way to the police, so the

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police would have it in their records,

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but there would be no longer a citysued

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cab license. We would issue a company ID

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that indicated we vetted these people.

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The crime report would be on file, the

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driving record would be on file.

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uh we can put in periodic updates of of

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those information of that information,

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but if we don't change something fast,

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and I I know speed isn't necessarily you

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folks's problem, but um I I probably

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should have started this three months

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ago. That's my fault, but uh anything we

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can do this quicker than later, uh would

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be great.

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Um, I should mention I met with the

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chief yesterday and I feel that went

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really well and I certainly don't speak

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for him of course but I do believe he

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expressed a willingness to go forward

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you know look at this concept obviously

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the devil's in the details but he was

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willing to discuss it further with

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whoever was wanted to look into it with

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him. So, I guess my ask is please direct

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staff to whatever you I I've never been

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in non-aggenda items, so I don't really

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know how to move forward, but [laughter]

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please direct staff to however you

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direct them. And uh I know at the end of

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this meeting there's future agenda

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items. If I could please be added to

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hopefully the near future agenda item,

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I'd certainly appreciate it.

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>> Thank you.

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» Thank you.

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>> That's it. Ryan

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» That's it. Ryan

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>> Ryan, could you uh elaborate a little

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» Ryan, could you uh elaborate a little

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bit? You mentioned that uh Uber, as I

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say, we now have some Uber cars around

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town. They do a

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>> uh for to basically summarize what you

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» uh for to basically summarize what you

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said, they do the vetting of their

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licensing themselves. And that is that

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what I heard and that's basically you're

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asking for a similar uh process to what

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they have

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>> pretty much identical to them. They they

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» pretty much identical to them. They they

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you can sign up on Uber completely

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online. Um they pull your driving

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record. They do a criminal background

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check. We'd be using thirdparty

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services. We're not going to be doing

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the criminal. We will hire somebody.

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There's different uh businesses. You

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hire somebody to do the criminal. So,

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it'll be some kind of professional

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background check done by a third party.

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Same thing. Well, the MVR, the motor

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vehicle records, some of those I can

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pull myself from other states. Others

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you have to hire a service. Every

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state's different. And

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that's kind of the point. It was like

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right now if somebody from Texas showed

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up and wants to drive a cab, they got to

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send an affidavit clear back to Texas,

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wait two weeks for the DMV to mail them

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their driving record and by that time,

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you know, they've long lost interest.

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>> Your honor,

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» Your honor,

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>> yes, I needed clarification from the

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» yes, I needed clarification from the

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clerk. Can this be done online?

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>> The this application for the drivers

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» The this application for the drivers

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>> not right now. No. can be converted in

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» not right now. No. can be converted in

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some way so that

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>> well we would have to bring back an

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» well we would have to bring back an

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ordinance for revision.

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>> Thank you.

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» Thank you.

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>> Thank you.

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» Thank you.

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>> Thank you all very much. Appreciate it.

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» Diane Reed.

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» Good evening honorable mayor city

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council members. I'll pray five minutes

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[laughter]

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but uh thank you very much. I'll try to

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go as quickly as I can. I was kind read

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16 Water Street. Um, a little bit

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background really quickly about me. If

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you don't know me, um, I I did work on

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that. I put together that uh the lose

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blue bathroom years ago. Um, so I've

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gone through the bathroom process. Have

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some familiar background. I was the

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planner from the burrow years ago. I'm

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the manager of the transit system now,

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but I also own property and businesses

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directly abuing and adjacent to both the

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spots that you're considering.

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for bathrooms. Uh so I basically would

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echo everything that my dad said over

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there, Stephen Reed, but I would also

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like to add for the the parking loss of

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parking there that that it truly is a

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net loss of five. If you go in there at

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any time, you can see that there's six.

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We use the ramp on the end. There's a

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actually a two-hour meter made parking

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sign up there and historically there's

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always been six if you've been in there.

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So obviously there's a net loss in it

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because you've gained one on the on the

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street there. I think more importantly

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as he said uh it's really an economic

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development thing. I mean there's tax

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based potential there's real estate the

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city owns private sector owns there's

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possible for parking up there. We've

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done planning in the past that

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identifies parking up there. So by

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landlocking all those lots up there I

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get it's a horrible economic decision in

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turning and losing those that parking.

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That parking is two-hour parking. It

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plays a big role to support the the

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marina. I mean the the the space bas

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it's it's it it's an anchor parking lot

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for Creek Street. As you all know, you

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can't drive on drive cars on the creek.

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So, we rely heavily on that two-hour

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parking to support the businesses on the

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creek and all alongside the street. So,

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I I think it's a horrible idea there. I

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think there's some significant flaws in

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the design of the bathroom. And the

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reason I say this is because I spent a

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year and a half. I've been to so many

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city council meetings as some of you

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know might have been around. We spent a

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lot of time putting that blue together.

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And it was because we we actually had a

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traditional plan that was identified in

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the neighborhood uh revitalization plan

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for for Ketchacan. There were

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traditional bathrooms there much like

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the ones that that were designed by

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public works now, but we moved away from

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those because of the safety and

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security. And that's why we ended up

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with the Portland concept, right?

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Unfortunately, I know there's flaws with

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it, but you'll see that in cities,

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states all across the country. We were

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the first city in the United States, I'm

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proud to say, and they're all across the

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country. New York just did five this

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last year. So, and they're

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internationally used as well. So, that

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sort of model, if you don't have

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supervision, the concierge or the

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attendant model, it's going to be

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critical uh to to look at that type of

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stall. The stalls that were designed,

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you know, adjacent to New York, for

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example, they had an open area where you

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walk in and then close the door with

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multiple stalls in there. We failed at

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the airport parking lot. We called that

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the Golden Loop, right? The one that we

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had for two hour or two years, I think

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three years that were at the airport. I

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think you might all recall we tore that

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one down, right? Partly because we

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didn't plan ahead for the G4V. We didn't

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plan ahead for the airport. We also made

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an unsafe uh an unsafe restroom there.

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So, I highly encourage you to uh to not

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place the restroom there. Um I would

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recommend the mobile solution as well. I

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would recommend Whale Park as a good

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solution to minimize parking loss.

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Discovery Center that you've already

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identified would be a good solution.

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Those are both great interim solutions.

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In the meantime, let's put together a

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comprehensive plan. We're looking at

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public amenities. We can't gate up our

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bus stops. We can't gate up our shelters

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at birth three. We can't remove all the

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benches in town, right? We have to come

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up with a plan to manage public

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amenities. I think part of that is going

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to be working with your legal

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department, with your police department.

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We have to figure out a way to not to to

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enforce these laws and make safe places

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for people to use the bathroom and use

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public amenities. Before we spend any

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more public money, let's figure out that

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stuff first. Let's figure it out. Mobile

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[clears throat] solutions is a great

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one. Spend a couple hundred thousand

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dollars. You can always move it. You can

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sell it. You can rent it. You can use it

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for other civic opportunities. I think

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the mobile solution is an excellent

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first phase, first step, safe step, and

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you don't risk wasting taxpayer money

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like we did at the airport with that

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one. So, anyways, thank you very much

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for your time. If you have any

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questions, be happy to answer.

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>> Any question?

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» Any question?

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>> Thank you, Stephen. Thank you,

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» Thank you, Stephen. Thank you,

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>> Andrew Zinc.

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» Hello, Andrew Zinc. Uh, 25 Jefferson

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Way. And, uh, one, I'd like to start and

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say I'm really glad that the Reeves

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showed up before me because I think they

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made a lot of great points and I also

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agree with a lot of those. Um, as a

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business owner on the Creek at 21 Creek

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Street, Fernick's general store and also

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Ketchan Dry Goods, which is right next

541
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to the lot. Um, I think both uh spots

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prevent or pro have issues. One is

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taking away a little bit of green space

544
00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:40,400
on the creek, but also adding in extra

545
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,799
traffic in a really narrow boardwalk

546
00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:45,120
seems like a bad idea. Um, the second

547
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:47,279
one, taking away parking spots, I think

548
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:49,120
will be an issue. Parking is already

549
00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:52,400
limited. Um, locals use those, staff use

550
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,080
those, and so taking away parking spots

551
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,840
right next to the building is an issue.

552
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,360
Um, and so those are my concerns with

553
00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:59,679
those two locations. When I thought

554
00:27:59,679 --> 00:28:01,440
about this project, um I think there are

555
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,039
some opportunities for actually

556
00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:05,039
encouraging development in the town.

557
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:08,320
Placing bathrooms um further down Steman

558
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,880
Street towards Salvation Army will help

559
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,720
drive some foot traffic that way. That

560
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,799
will help with getting foot traffic to

561
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:16,159
the businesses that are already there,

562
00:28:16,159 --> 00:28:17,919
but also give an incentive for the

563
00:28:17,919 --> 00:28:19,679
buildings that are currently empty or

564
00:28:19,679 --> 00:28:22,000
underutilized. Um and so I think that's

565
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,240
actually an opportunity with this

566
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,399
project to actually have some extra

567
00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:28,640
benefit to the community.

568
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:29,440
Thank you.

569
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,230
>> Thank you, Andy.

570
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:32,240
» Thank you, Andy.

571
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,159
Any question?

572
00:28:34,159 --> 00:28:34,880
I don't see any.

573
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,230
>> Great.

574
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,799
» Hamilton Gellar.

575
00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:44,310
>> Yeah, I sent an email earlier today to

576
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:44,320
» Yeah, I sent an email earlier today to

577
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,000
you guys. I don't know how many you guys

578
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,159
had received it, but it was this.

579
00:28:50,159 --> 00:28:52,080
Let me start it over because it's very

580
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,279
important. The first part is what? What

581
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:57,600
do you see? Creek Street. That's my

582
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,760
property there being advertised on

583
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,640
social media to sell cruise ships.

584
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,360
Expected to get 1.75 million people.

585
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,760
That's biking. They make a lot of money.

586
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,480
Okay, here's MSC cruises. New to catch

587
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,000
can advertising what? Creek Street.

588
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,039
That's what they're advertising. Both in

589
00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:19,600
both ads. It's the only human

590
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,320
settlement. They're advertising bears,

591
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,360
whales, Creek Street.

592
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,200
Two years ago, you guys hired this

593
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,559
person. I think she's here in the

594
00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:30,960
audience. I called her earlier today. I

595
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,640
asked her what she had accomplished in

596
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,760
the last two years. She proceeded to ask

597
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,760
me which organization I was

598
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,399
representing. I thought I would you

599
00:29:40,399 --> 00:29:42,320
would know that

600
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,320
I'm in tourism.

601
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,520
You guys hired a tourism manager and

602
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,279
nobody knows who she is. And that's why

603
00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:51,200
we're here today talking about

604
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,520
bathrooms. That's why Steven's up here

605
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,440
opposing bathrooms, saying that there's

606
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,240
not enough time to discuss this issue.

607
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,240
Some plans have been proposed by the

608
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,480
city, not by any citizen, but by the

609
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,640
city. The city came up with these ideas

610
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,760
or ideas. Two were selected. He doesn't

611
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,360
like them because they're both next to

612
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,919
his properties. I wish they weren't next

613
00:30:11,919 --> 00:30:13,520
to your property, Stephen. Sorry about

614
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,240
that. [snorts] So, the city of Ketchan

615
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,159
tourism manager Ro created man. So she

616
00:30:20,159 --> 00:30:22,720
took this picture on Creek Street. I

617
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,440
Nobody on Creek Street knows who she is.

618
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,919
So you guys want to raise the taxes, but

619
00:30:27,919 --> 00:30:31,440
we see these government the manager. Why

620
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,919
not just cut her job? Cuz she's not

621
00:30:33,919 --> 00:30:35,520
doing any of these things that are on

622
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,720
this board. She is a liaison for the

623
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,720
community and industry and develop

624
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,360
sustainable visitor strategies. What you

625
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,120
guys have coming in this summer is not

626
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,240
sustainable. It's not at all. like the

627
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,720
boardwalk is too small. There's there's

628
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,120
like it's the same infrastructure as

629
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,520
there was in 2008. There's nothing

630
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,440
really changed.

631
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,200
She's reporting directly to the city

632
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,240
manager. She has extensive Alaskan

633
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,799
tourism experience. Not sure what that

634
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:07,520
is. I don't know. Can any I I've asked

635
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,840
you guys a lot of times what what that

636
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,000
is or why she is still in this position.

637
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,279
Uh, she focuses on balancing community

638
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:20,480
needs with the visitor economy. I don't

639
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,880
think that's been done. I have one of

640
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,720
the most successful businesses on Creek

641
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,159
Street. That's not the case. The tourism

642
00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:30,000
manager position was established to

643
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,080
address challenges arising from high

644
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,080
visitor volumes. If she would have been

645
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,600
doing that, we would have been

646
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,480
discussing bathrooms in 2003, right

647
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,480
after she was hired. She would have come

648
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,600
down and talked to every one of us.

649
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,360
because she says she is a it's a

650
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:46,960
liaison. This is straight from the

651
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,120
internet. I'm not making this stuff up.

652
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,159
It says she's a liaison. So, how does

653
00:31:52,159 --> 00:31:54,559
that work out that we're discussing two

654
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:58,240
years later that we need bathrooms on

655
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,159
Creek Street? And also, I asked her what

656
00:32:02,159 --> 00:32:05,200
was discussed here on October 13th in

657
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,799
this meeting with Clea. Uh Clea meets

658
00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:11,600
with uh the city of Ketchan it looks

659
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,240
like annually. So I looked up what is

660
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,080
CLEA? I don't know how many people in

661
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,519
Katchetan know who Clea is. I I know a

662
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:21,519
lot of people don't know who it is. So

663
00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:23,440
this is their background information

664
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,760
that I got from their lawsuit when they

665
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:30,320
sued Juno in 2016. [snorts]

666
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:31,679
I don't know a lot of people know but

667
00:32:31,679 --> 00:32:34,240
they sued Skagway last summer too. Clea

668
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,519
did uh the plaintiffs. CLEA Cruise Line

669
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:40,960
International Association of Alaska is a

670
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,000
non-forprofit association of 12 cruise

671
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,159
ship lines which works to build positive

672
00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:48,159
relationships with communities and

673
00:32:48,159 --> 00:32:51,200
government agencies in Alaska. I don't

674
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,279
think they're doing that. I don't think

675
00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:55,360
we have a positive relationship in

676
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,000
Ketchan with the locals, with the

677
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,919
businesses, with cruise ships.

678
00:33:01,919 --> 00:33:03,840
I don't know. Maybe you guys can say

679
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,679
there is but I don't think there is and

680
00:33:05,679 --> 00:33:08,080
I'm in tourism.

681
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,000
Uh so the next this is very important.

682
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,760
Um and to protect its members legal

683
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,000
interests. That's what is being done

684
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,720
here. Clea is basically a gold miner

685
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,240
manipulating

686
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,120
the local economy, taking all that money

687
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,960
out of here, not building like if Cleo

688
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,559
was had wanted to to to make and develop

689
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:36,880
strong partnerships. Couldn't the

690
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,679
tourism manager just call up says

691
00:33:39,679 --> 00:33:42,240
there's 12 cruise lines. Couldn't she

692
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,919
just make a phone call and say, "Hey,

693
00:33:43,919 --> 00:33:45,600
Norwegian, we got a problem. We need we

694
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,159
need the bathroom." bad.

695
00:33:48,159 --> 00:33:50,480
Hey, Viking, we see you're advertising

696
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:51,840
Creek Street. We need a hundred

697
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,240
thousand. Like to them, that's nothing.

698
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,600
They make billions. Billions.

699
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,760
They make like [clears throat] I don't

700
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,360
know how many billions, but you guys are

701
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,120
getting screwed. You guys make like 12

702
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,440
billion. And a lot of locals are

703
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,679
wondering where does that money go if

704
00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:09,760
you can't even decide to build bathrooms

705
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,000
on the most visited street and catch

706
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:12,800
camp.

707
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:13,829
>> Thank you.

708
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:13,839
» Thank you.

709
00:34:13,839 --> 00:34:14,950
>> You have any questions?

710
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:14,960
» You have any questions?

711
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,349
>> Any questions?

712
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:17,359
» Any questions?

713
00:34:17,359 --> 00:34:18,960
Yeah, good.

714
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,030
>> Thank you for asking me a question. I

715
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:21,040
» Thank you for asking me a question. I

716
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,560
must say that when somebody comes up

717
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,720
here, I feel like you guys should always

718
00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:28,399
organize so at least one person asks a

719
00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:30,480
question and makes it feel like the

720
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,320
citizens are actually being listened to.

721
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,919
So, thank you very much, Riley.

722
00:34:33,919 --> 00:34:36,869
>> No problem. Uh, so I don't want to try

723
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:36,879
» No problem. Uh, so I don't want to try

724
00:34:36,879 --> 00:34:38,399
to read your mind. Just to be clear, you

725
00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:40,560
are in support of choosing one of those

726
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,480
two locations for a bathroom. Is that

727
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,879
correct? And if so, which one do you

728
00:34:44,879 --> 00:34:46,879
prefer? I would prefer Dolly's House. I

729
00:34:46,879 --> 00:34:48,800
mean, it makes sense. It's the only

730
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,919
Bordello museum in Ketchacan. It's It's

731
00:34:53,919 --> 00:34:57,599
a very prominent location. Maybe Steven

732
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:00,560
would prefer a scaled down version. I

733
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,119
personally don't know if it needs to be

734
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:06,000
six bathrooms with a family bathroom.

735
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,440
All I know is we need a one bathroom.

736
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,280
Like one, just make it one. Doesn't

737
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,520
matter if there's two, one, at least

738
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,680
one.

739
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,839
one for each

740
00:35:17,839 --> 00:35:20,960
and to send somebody from [snorts]

741
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,960
the like say they're by the tram and

742
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,079
they are where's the bathroom? They have

743
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:27,839
no idea. They think catch can's big, you

744
00:35:27,839 --> 00:35:29,520
know, they've never been here. So you

745
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:30,880
send them down the boardwalk, there's

746
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,400
people taking pictures of the Creek

747
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,920
Street sign all the time. That walkway

748
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,720
is only like 48 in wide. If you were in

749
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:40,800
a wheelchair, if you had a walker, you

750
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,040
wouldn't be able to pass that person

751
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,359
there because it's so limited in space.

752
00:35:45,359 --> 00:35:47,440
You'd actually just have to pull over to

753
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,599
the side and wait. And there's an

754
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:53,040
overabundance of people in that entrance

755
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,040
area by the bridge and they just come on

756
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,880
there. I feel like that's a great

757
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,880
location for a bathroom. I thought maybe

758
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,480
it would be a good location behind the

759
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,720
Star building either. There's limited

760
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:05,839
space, but I mean the sewer is just all

761
00:36:05,839 --> 00:36:07,520
right there.

762
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,400
Um, personally, Stephen is not in

763
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,200
retail. Neither is Cayenne. Um, I'm in

764
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,760
retail. No, I'm telling you, I know all

765
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,440
the retail people on Creek Street. And

766
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,359
there's not one single person that would

767
00:36:19,359 --> 00:36:23,359
say, "Yeah, let's just have everybody in

768
00:36:23,359 --> 00:36:25,920
and in in my bathroom." Then we're not

769
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,880
even re retailers. That would hinder my

770
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,640
economic development. I wouldn't even be

771
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,320
able to sell stuff. I'd be like

772
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,200
maintaining a bathroom. I mean, if y'all

773
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,440
want that to happen, buy my building.

774
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,160
I'll sell it. Like, if a bathroom's too

775
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,880
expensive by Dolly's, I'll sell you

776
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,800
mine. It'll be great. And I'll go away

777
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,119
and shut up.

778
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:49,750
>> Thank you.

779
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:49,760
» Thank you.

780
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,605
>> Can I get five more minutes?

781
00:36:52,605 --> 00:36:52,615
» Can I get five more minutes?

782
00:36:52,615 --> 00:36:53,359
[laughter]

783
00:36:53,359 --> 00:36:55,270
>> If he wanted economic development,

784
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:55,280
» If he wanted economic development,

785
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,520
develop develop his place on

786
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,470
>> Hey, that's enough. He's got undeveloped

787
00:37:00,470 --> 00:37:00,480
» Hey, that's enough. He's got undeveloped

788
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,200
places. All right.

789
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,069
>> Thank you. Anybody

790
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:04,079
» Thank you. Anybody

791
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:04,480
else?

792
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,190
>> Yes, there is one other uh person and I

793
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:07,200
» Yes, there is one other uh person and I

794
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,000
cannot. It's Carari.

795
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,870
>> Oh, no. I had Sorry, I thought you have

796
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:12,880
» Oh, no. I had Sorry, I thought you have

797
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:13,119
to.

798
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:15,430
>> Oh, with that. Oh, okay. Okay. Thank

799
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:15,440
» Oh, with that. Oh, okay. Okay. Thank

800
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:16,320
you.

801
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,990
>> We have Mary.

802
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:18,000
» We have Mary.

803
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,630
>> I was coming if I could.

804
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:20,640
» I was coming if I could.

805
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,069
>> Let me get you the microphone. Hey

806
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:22,079
» Let me get you the microphone. Hey

807
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:22,960
there, Mary.

808
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:28,069
>> Oh,

809
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:30,240
everybody's got a little flyer. Mary,

810
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,720
it's been a couple of weeks. day and

811
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:35,839
night on my nomination is going to be

812
00:37:35,839 --> 00:37:38,000
the married man's

813
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,040
restroom there at Creek.

814
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,960
I

815
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,320
really laid out a nice uh coordination

816
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,040
of information about the building goes

817
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,359
back to the 1920s.

818
00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:53,920
What is this building used for if not

819
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,160
for a restroom? We don't need another

820
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,079
gift shop and maybe not another

821
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:00,800
restaurant. I'd also like to take more

822
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,320
time with the other handout is that we

823
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,280
are recruiting, we should be recruiting

824
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,320
u more restrooms as I'm calling it, more

825
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,359
Johns. Uh following the template of

826
00:38:13,359 --> 00:38:15,200
Sitka, it's been brought up a couple of

827
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,400
times. There is their agreement on that

828
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,960
flyer there. I've stolen a couple of

829
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:27,200
their words of of it. Um but I but by

830
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,880
they failed

831
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,119
um were not happy with. They did get

832
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:33,280
good turnout for merchants as I

833
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,320
understand, but Sitka came up with a

834
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,880
stipen of $2,000.

835
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,800
There's [snorts]

836
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,119
53 days

837
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:46,720
in our season and that boils down to $13

838
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:48,960
a day. Those people were getting paid

839
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,720
for, thank you very much, to leaving

840
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:53,760
their bathroom open. I maintain, as you

841
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,040
will see, we offer two opportunities.

842
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,280
grant a

843
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:00,880
which

844
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,960
set up an RFP and you find your uh

845
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,280
janitorial service that will go out

846
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,839
service these merchants who have said

847
00:39:09,839 --> 00:39:13,520
yes we'd like to participate and uh the

848
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,960
CPV fund would have paid for a daily

849
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,400
visit and um the paper supplies that's

850
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:25,359
grant A grant B is where you model after

851
00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:28,960
the Alaska a heating uh assistance

852
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,400
program in which uh it's a stipen of

853
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,320
$750.

854
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,359
Uh it's given to directly if I qualify,

855
00:39:37,359 --> 00:39:40,240
which I do, it's given directly to uh

856
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:45,119
KPU and they will cut a check for my

857
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:50,000
utilities until that $750 is exhausted.

858
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,960
It's about two and a half months. So in

859
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,760
grant A, uh if that business owner says

860
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,560
yes, they're going to get services. Uh

861
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:03,280
and B is um a stipen. Now business uh

862
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,839
wastewater and water averages about $37

863
00:40:07,839 --> 00:40:13,440
a month. So when we crunch the numbers,

864
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,200
um this is a very nice package that

865
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,440
we're reaching out to those businesses

866
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,400
on the front line to come up with one or

867
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,280
two of their bathrooms. And there is a

868
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,440
criteria which stated right at the front

869
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,240
that the business has to post a sign

870
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:32,480
we're open. They must stay open the

871
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:37,520
entire um day for the whole season.

872
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,760
and there's a certain agreement of it.

873
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,680
Now, I maintain we have to do a

874
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,040
marketing effort. Uh the visitor center,

875
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,079
the chamber of commerce, the city itself

876
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:51,359
puts out a blitz in its marketing and

877
00:40:51,359 --> 00:40:53,040
says we're looking for a few good

878
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,800
businesses and get them signed up and

879
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,599
get it ready by April, pushing it by

880
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:02,560
June 1st. And I think you've got four,

881
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,480
not five bathrooms located throughout

882
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,359
downtown that's ready to go. and that's

883
00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:10,319
going to carry us over through uh the

884
00:41:10,319 --> 00:41:12,720
summer. If you feel you've got to spend

885
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:16,319
$200,000 for a mobile unit,

886
00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:19,760
okay, but I think that I know of three

887
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,760
businesses who have told me four years

888
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,480
ago when I did this effort, I've been

889
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,200
championing this cause for four years

890
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,040
and I know there's businesses ready to

891
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,000
go. They've always said no because the

892
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:37,520
of the water three $400 bill uh and also

893
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,400
the supplies and and the whatever. But

894
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,200
we've got the talent. We've got CPV

895
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,000
funds ready to go and you've got five

896
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,560
bathrooms. It's a no-brainer. Thank you.

897
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,589
>> Thank you, Mary.

898
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:53,599
» Thank you, Mary.

899
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:54,960
There. Anybody else that wish to speak?

900
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:59,149
Council tonight.

901
00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:03,430
[clears throat]

902
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,920
Um,

903
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,640
we do have a presentation

904
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,119
um from Jagan

905
00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:13,680
shipyard. The council wish to do it

906
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:21,030
before consent or after? Before after.

907
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,400
» All right. So, we're going to move that

908
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,800
item

909
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:29,040
ahead of consent. So, Berg,

910
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,790
>> thank you for the choice of before. Good

911
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:30,800
» thank you for the choice of before. Good

912
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:37,990
evening, honor mayor and council.

913
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,240
» Bergman Wheeler, uh, 17 Shoot Street.

914
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:42,319
So, not speaking for the city, um, but

915
00:42:42,319 --> 00:42:44,079
speaking as the giant catch can general

916
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:46,400
manager, and I have a presentation to

917
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,480
display when it cues up.

918
00:42:50,480 --> 00:43:03,510
Yes.

919
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,119
So, while that gets loaded, I'll let you

920
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:07,680
guys know. Um, Jag has taken over

921
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,839
custody of Ada shipyard, Ketchan

922
00:43:09,839 --> 00:43:11,520
shipyard. We are the new operators

923
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,160
there. And there was a meeting uh

924
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,920
between ADA city members, public works,

925
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,960
power uh bureau members, ADA, local

926
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,560
delegates and delegation. So some of

927
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,160
this information was presented there.

928
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,079
I've updated some of this information as

929
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:28,319
well. So for those that you saw, those

930
00:43:28,319 --> 00:43:30,160
of you that saw that or were at that

931
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,000
meeting or read the newspaper articles,

932
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,400
there are some regurgitated facts. Um

933
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,240
but as I hadn't gotten before the city

934
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:37,440
council yet, I wanted to present these

935
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,119
facts to you all and those listening and

936
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:41,119
watching as well. So, as you'll see

937
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:43,359
before you, um, you'll see our our

938
00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:44,720
paradigm of, you know, five key

939
00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:47,760
components to success. Um, this is

940
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,720
JAG's,

941
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:52,319
let's call it, their their guide book,

942
00:43:52,319 --> 00:43:54,560
their playbook, per se. Um, each one of

943
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,480
those components works towards success

944
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,560
of a business unit and overall the

945
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,200
entire Jag Marine Group. Uh, speaking of

946
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,359
Jag Marine Group, I I'm remissed to say

947
00:44:03,359 --> 00:44:05,280
Tim Jigelski wanted to join me here

948
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,359
tonight, but he was unable to make the

949
00:44:07,359 --> 00:44:09,040
the flight down to catch because he had

950
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,319
other pressing business matters that

951
00:44:10,319 --> 00:44:12,079
came up and he is the co-owner of Jag.

952
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:13,680
So, I'm not just standing before you

953
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,280
only representing a company as a local,

954
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:16,960
but also he wanted to be here in person

955
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,800
in a tent. So, as you can see, the

956
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,640
shared vision of these different key

957
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,480
elements are with our customers. This

958
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,160
really combines to make a successful

959
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,760
business enterprise whether it is at an

960
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,880
industrial shipyard or a retail store on

961
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,640
Creek Street or any type of you know

962
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,960
type of situation like that. Um at the

963
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,400
top of it you'll see work safely and

964
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,480
that'll be covered in ne the next slide.

965
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,160
Uh safety is paramount at a heavy

966
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:39,839
industrial shipyard. Safety is paramount

967
00:44:39,839 --> 00:44:41,680
of course anywhere in your guys' houses

968
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,359
anywhere around town with our tourist

969
00:44:43,359 --> 00:44:44,960
incumbents and of course at a heavy

970
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,200
industrial type of place. It is each and

971
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,960
every second uh critical there. So um

972
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,119
execution of these you know objectives

973
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:55,839
brings uh a total coefficient of loyalty

974
00:44:55,839 --> 00:44:57,839
and repeat customers um best value to

975
00:44:57,839 --> 00:44:59,520
our customers which our customer base

976
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,079
has expanded in the recent uh last 3

977
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:04,079
months four months um and then expansion

978
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:05,680
of opportunities because customers want

979
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:11,910
to come back. Next slide please.

980
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,400
Like I said safety is the forerunner and

981
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,200
most focal point thing at the shipyard.

982
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,359
Um it has to be Jags. Uh so you guys

983
00:45:21,359 --> 00:45:22,640
might have seen in the paper previously

984
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,880
that we had uh we have been recognized

985
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,960
at our shipyard for multiple safety

986
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,040
awards uh year-over-year for excellence

987
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,760
in safety which is based on a um a

988
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,359
recordable rate. I won't go into all the

989
00:45:33,359 --> 00:45:36,800
acronyms but Jags rate exceeds that even

990
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,480
as you'll see there. uh the rate when

991
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,040
this slide was pulled was 0.5

992
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,640
which means it's an exponentially low

993
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,200
and that 0.5 is a it's a mathematical

994
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,920
equation means amount of injuries

995
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,200
calculated into the amount of hours

996
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:50,800
worked so I won't go into the minutiae

997
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,560
on there but it's it's an industry

998
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,560
standard and we're quite quite below the

999
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,720
industry standard um which is a it's a

1000
00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:58,319
very good thing for anybody listening

1001
00:45:58,319 --> 00:45:59,520
who wants a job there that's a good

1002
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,040
thing because that means we're very safe

1003
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,560
so along among other things that I'll

1004
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,079
get to as we go along in this

1005
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:06,720
presentation um and let's roll to the

1006
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:10,790
next slide

1007
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,400
So, as you'll see before you, the base

1008
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,880
trajectory started in 2017 at the Jagen

1009
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,720
Marine Group during the acquisition

1010
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:18,240
right before this acquisition of the

1011
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:19,920
Seward Shipyard. This is just a 10-year

1012
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,599
span approximately. Obviously, we're in

1013
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:24,560
26, not 27. You can see the exponential

1014
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,000
growth that has been projected along the

1015
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,920
lines of this company. The acquisition

1016
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,400
of Seward Shipyard was in 2018 and 2019.

1017
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,319
You can see the increase there. Um, and

1018
00:46:32,319 --> 00:46:33,920
additionally, the catch can shipyard was

1019
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,640
added in Q4 of 2025.

1020
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,640
the overall trajectory is based off of

1021
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,200
the revenue and the plan for the you

1022
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,160
know the actual company. So it's uh

1023
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,000
growing exponentially and there's a lot

1024
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,440
of uh potential and a lot of tangible

1025
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:50,960
gains that'll be made throughout these

1026
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,720
next couple coming years and into the

1027
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:58,630
future beyond. Next slide please.

1028
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,240
» Um did you skip over or just double

1029
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:04,309
click?

1030
00:47:04,319 --> 00:47:06,800
» This is the next one. Perfect. Sorry.

1031
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,710
>> Um, no worries. Saw the flash. So,

1032
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:08,720
» Um, no worries. Saw the flash. So,

1033
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:11,280
before you see the headcount,

1034
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:12,480
everyone always wants to talk about the

1035
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:13,920
labor. Let's talk about what how many

1036
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,000
people are working at the shipyard. Uh,

1037
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,839
the headcount graph before you also

1038
00:47:17,839 --> 00:47:19,920
shows the exponential growth of the

1039
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,520
catch shipyard, but I wanted to put some

1040
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:22,480
different facts in there. The

1041
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:23,920
presentation that I made to the burough,

1042
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,839
no disrespect to the burrow. Uh, I have

1043
00:47:25,839 --> 00:47:27,359
modified the slide. So, the presentation

1044
00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:28,720
for all those you watching, the slide is

1045
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:29,839
slightly different. So, pay attention

1046
00:47:29,839 --> 00:47:31,359
please. uh because you had some of these

1047
00:47:31,359 --> 00:47:32,560
questions along the lines and I put that

1048
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,240
in the final slide as well not to dis

1049
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:35,839
diminish the city of court council of

1050
00:47:35,839 --> 00:47:37,599
course. So when Jag took over the

1051
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:38,880
custody of the shipyard, there was eight

1052
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,440
souls that are working, myself included.

1053
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,720
Um, as of 15, the total count is 173

1054
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:46,319
people that are working there. Now, of

1055
00:47:46,319 --> 00:47:47,599
course, some of those are traveling

1056
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:50,640
people. Again does not have 173 people

1057
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:51,920
that are going to work in industrial

1058
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,920
trades, but we do have 90 full-time

1059
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,160
residents at this point and bringing in

1060
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,560
more, constantly hiring more people. um

1061
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,160
whether that be drivers to the vans

1062
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,400
around town, people that are laborers, I

1063
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:03,839
need an admin. So if anybody wants to be

1064
00:48:03,839 --> 00:48:05,200
an ad and really love one of those, Evie

1065
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,119
Bermudas would appreciate you greatly

1066
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:10,000
and lots of other type of roles. So when

1067
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,839
I built the slide just two weeks ago, we

1068
00:48:11,839 --> 00:48:13,280
actually had more traveling personnel

1069
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:14,720
versus Alaskan personnel. So that

1070
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:17,680
paradigm, that 4% metric is actually

1071
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,119
shifting and it's constantly evolving

1072
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:20,560
towards the heavier to Alaskan

1073
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,480
residents, which is our purview. It's

1074
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,480
our goal. It's more economically viable.

1075
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:25,839
It's more efficient for the city, for

1076
00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:28,240
the bureau, for our business. to have

1077
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:30,160
people living here, staying here, you

1078
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:31,440
know, eating, spending their money here,

1079
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,280
which are traveling people do as well,

1080
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:34,960
but that way we're not paying them for

1081
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,680
DM and lodging. Um, and above factors do

1082
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:38,960
not include all the other things I

1083
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,480
listed, which is the vessel crews. I

1084
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:41,599
mean, both those Noah ships that are

1085
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:44,240
down in the shipyard right now have 20

1086
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:46,480
30 people, um, plus the subcontractors,

1087
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:47,760
the tech reps. I mean, there there's,

1088
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,040
you know, the shipyard is quite busy and

1089
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:50,800
full of people right now. Next slide,

1090
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,599
please.

1091
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:55,109
>> Your honor.

1092
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:55,119
» Your honor.

1093
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:57,750
>> Yes. Thank you, Brian, for presentation.

1094
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:57,760
» Yes. Thank you, Brian, for presentation.

1095
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:58,720
I have a question.

1096
00:48:58,720 --> 00:48:59,349
>> Yes.

1097
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:59,359
» Yes.

1098
00:48:59,359 --> 00:49:01,510
>> Uh you're talking about employment with

1099
00:49:01,510 --> 00:49:01,520
» Uh you're talking about employment with

1100
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:06,400
48% uh travelers and 52% uh Alaskan

1101
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,240
residents. Have you thought of any

1102
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:10,000
apprentice program so that you can

1103
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,839
incorporate kids from within the state

1104
00:49:11,839 --> 00:49:15,040
and within the city and borrow district?

1105
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,430
>> Yes, we've uh discussed that with

1106
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:17,440
» Yes, we've uh discussed that with

1107
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,240
leadership in Jag. Um they did a bring a

1108
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:23,200
person along for a summer in Seward. I

1109
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:24,720
don't have the exact facts ironed out at

1110
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:25,680
this point in time, but it's been

1111
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:26,800
discussed. It's on my workforce

1112
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,760
development notebook that I've been Yes.

1113
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,200
moving forward. Um was contacted by the

1114
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:34,400
Southeast Island School District

1115
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,160
yesterday about some kids who wanted to

1116
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:37,440
potentially come work at the shipyard

1117
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:38,960
when they get out of school. I'm touring

1118
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,520
them on Friday. So that's 16 youth who

1119
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:42,880
want to come look at the shipyard. And

1120
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,920
so to the exact tangible answer to your

1121
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:46,800
question, I do not have an

1122
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,640
apprenticeship exactly at this point in

1123
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,880
time. It is, but I am working to develop

1124
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,400
something along those lines. I just

1125
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,480
don't fully know what it is yet because

1126
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,400
I'm still learning what work for and how

1127
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,680
it's all going together.

1128
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:58,309
>> Thank you.

1129
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:58,319
» Thank you.

1130
00:49:58,319 --> 00:50:01,670
>> Good idea.

1131
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,440
» Next slide talks about historical

1132
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,079
utilization. Of course, all these graphs

1133
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:07,680
are similar. You'll see a very, you

1134
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,079
know, similar line between them. Um,

1135
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:12,240
increased occupancy of the shipyard,

1136
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:14,240
increased staffing of the shipyard, and

1137
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:17,040
increased work at the shipyard. over the

1138
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,559
previous five years, the catch can

1139
00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:22,079
shipyard um basically we say the book

1140
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:24,720
business it shows 2.7% growth compared

1141
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:26,800
to the pre prior five-year average.

1142
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,640
You'll see the graph I took out 2025

1143
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,000
because that was a slightly skewed year

1144
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,319
due to all the events that went on. But

1145
00:50:32,319 --> 00:50:35,680
the uh forecast of 2026 and 2027 the

1146
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,880
booked is in the let's call it orange or

1147
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,240
yellow. The known and highly likely is

1148
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:43,680
in the green and then the potential

1149
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,119
would be in the red. So you can see that

1150
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:49,359
we're at a 400% potential uh increase in

1151
00:50:49,359 --> 00:50:50,880
overall utilization of the shipyard

1152
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,240
compared to what was um previously being

1153
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:57,280
utilized at the shipyard. So uh it's an

1154
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:58,640
extreme upside and there will be an

1155
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,480
answer of why we are so much more have

1156
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,319
so much more potential when I get to the

1157
00:51:02,319 --> 00:51:10,230
question slide. Next slide please.

1158
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:13,839
So off to the races. 919 we got the keys

1159
00:51:13,839 --> 00:51:16,480
and had a project on day one. Uh this is

1160
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:17,680
a question that came up. So I wanted to

1161
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,400
throw this slide in there. Um

1162
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:21,839
we had initial projects that have

1163
00:51:21,839 --> 00:51:23,440
already been completed. It's the circle

1164
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:24,800
eye that grounding. We did not do the

1165
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,160
grounding repair but we supported that

1166
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:27,920
project allowing them to get out of here

1167
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,000
uh down to their their winter harbridge

1168
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,635
and would have happy would have happy to

1169
00:51:31,635 --> 00:51:32,720
[clears throat] support that project but

1170
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:34,160
it was we already had vessels up on the

1171
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,400
dry dog. Tasine has been performed.

1172
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,559
Latuya, Oral Freeman, which I know is a

1173
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:40,960
sticking point uh a sore spot, I'll say,

1174
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,440
with the ongoing events of everything as

1175
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,200
the shipyard evolved to where it is

1176
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,760
today, and also a couple other AMHs

1177
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,720
vessels. Uh underway, we have the Noah

1178
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:53,359
Reineer, the Noah Okianos Explorer, uh

1179
00:51:53,359 --> 00:51:57,200
the ADFG Kestrel, which has never been

1180
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,480
performed at the shipyard, and neither

1181
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,240
has Norah ever been Noah ever been

1182
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:03,040
docked at the shipyard. Um so that these

1183
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,880
are major successes straight out the

1184
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,559
gate uh getting awarded those Noah

1185
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:08,319
projects and this ADF and Jeep uh

1186
00:52:08,319 --> 00:52:10,240
vessel. We've performed work for the

1187
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:11,839
state in Alaska Park and fishing game

1188
00:52:11,839 --> 00:52:13,920
prior to but that vessel has not been

1189
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,520
awarded here. Um additionally we also

1190
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:16,800
have the fair weather project which just

1191
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,720
started on Monday doide availability

1192
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:19,920
down at the base. So we currently have

1193
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,000
three Noah projects

1194
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,920
and as of 6 months ago we never had a

1195
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,079
Noah project this shipyard. So uh those

1196
00:52:26,079 --> 00:52:29,040
are very good things. Um, additionally,

1197
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:30,880
we have a couple AMHS vessels, Laconi

1198
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,280
and Colombia have come in. Um, since the

1199
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,119
Kenny cott's back online facility

1200
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:36,400
projects, I wanted to touch on this and

1201
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,319
I was remissed in my last presentation.

1202
00:52:38,319 --> 00:52:40,240
The receiving slab at the shipyard has

1203
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:42,640
been a point of discussion. We have

1204
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,720
completed the operational repairs. It is

1205
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:46,160
not a permanent repair. Permanent

1206
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:47,599
repairs are also being assessed and

1207
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:49,680
discussed with DOT and ADA. But as you

1208
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,520
can see, that picture drastically shows

1209
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,119
that there is a vessel on that receiving

1210
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:54,880
slab. So, we performed the repairs

1211
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,400
immediately. We were breaking concrete

1212
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,720
within the first week of occupancy and

1213
00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:01,680
or reoccupancy. I never really left. Um

1214
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,480
but I basically sleep there. Um and so

1215
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:05,839
that way we could get the first vessel

1216
00:53:05,839 --> 00:53:08,640
across which was the rainer which is now

1217
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:09,920
inside the assembly hall and then get

1218
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,920
the kestrel right behind me. So that's a

1219
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,359
huge huge uh milestone and um yeah

1220
00:53:15,359 --> 00:53:16,880
there's still an ongoing underlying

1221
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,880
issues with the slab but it is safe for

1222
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,040
utilization and economic development at

1223
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,200
the ship or economic revenue at the

1224
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:24,880
shipier.

1225
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,640
Additionally, transfer card overhauls

1226
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,640
about $110,000 in bearings. And I didn't

1227
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:29,839
want to put a giant list of other things

1228
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:31,520
we fixed, but that was a big thing that

1229
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:32,960
the community talked about. People had

1230
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,359
asked me about and so the transfer slab

1231
00:53:35,359 --> 00:53:37,040
is in full operation at this point in

1232
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:42,950
time. Next slide, please.

1233
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,880
» Q&A real quick. How did JAG immediately

1234
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,240
double triple the amount of work in the

1235
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:48,640
catch can shipyard? Um, we aggressively

1236
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,440
target a broader spectrum. uh whether

1237
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,680
it's you know United States Coast Guard,

1238
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:57,280
we are JAG is one of the most premier

1239
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,280
and prime contractors for the United

1240
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:00,559
States Coast Guard in the entire

1241
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:03,359
country. We are a mobile shipyard. We

1242
00:54:03,359 --> 00:54:06,000
secure approximately 30 to 40% of all

1243
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,880
bids on on a lot of the cutters. We um

1244
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,200
we also bid aggressively and further

1245
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,119
abroad. The Noah Okianis Explorer that's

1246
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:14,880
here is homeported in Hawaii. So we were

1247
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,640
competing against the entire West Coast

1248
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,880
and Hawaii and we won and we have that

1249
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,800
vessel here. So it is a lot broader

1250
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,960
spectrum. Um the MSSE, the US Army Corps

1251
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,480
of Engineers, um those vessels typically

1252
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:32,720
go to facilities in um along the West

1253
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:34,319
Coast and so we're also bidding in

1254
00:54:34,319 --> 00:54:35,760
aggressively after those vessels to pull

1255
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,200
them here as well. Um you know, we we

1256
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,000
just we have a very lean overhead as

1257
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,280
well. um that at times comes into a more

1258
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:46,800
constrictive fashion, seeing as how you

1259
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,480
don't have the overall structure as

1260
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,480
well, but you have very competitive edge

1261
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,319
when everyone is actually out there

1262
00:54:52,319 --> 00:54:53,920
performing work on the vessels or able

1263
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,839
to lift up something and do something um

1264
00:54:55,839 --> 00:54:57,520
productively for the project overall.

1265
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,599
Not saying anybody does didn't, but it

1266
00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:02,000
allows for better competitiveness.

1267
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,359
Next question that you might potentially

1268
00:55:03,359 --> 00:55:04,800
have thought, how's Jag dealing with the

1269
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,559
employee lodging issues? Because we

1270
00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:07,680
always talk about housing. I've always

1271
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,040
talked about housing and sat here before

1272
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,400
you and said we need more housing. Well,

1273
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,359
we bought housing. Uh, Jag did. We did.

1274
00:55:13,359 --> 00:55:16,400
And so we closed on the, uh, Trident

1275
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:17,920
Cape Fox bunk house. I was actually

1276
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:18,880
walking through it and figuring out

1277
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,480
outfitting. And then I'm walking through

1278
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,200
with Mar a contractor here shortly

1279
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,359
tomorrow to start remodeling it to add

1280
00:55:25,359 --> 00:55:26,800
more occupancy rooms. So, we're working

1281
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,359
on that for transient and also people

1282
00:55:29,359 --> 00:55:31,359
who want to stay there or in people.

1283
00:55:31,359 --> 00:55:32,400
somebody wants to move up here and

1284
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:33,440
figure out where they want to go and

1285
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:34,960
they want to rent a room there in

1286
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,160
company um you know or get a room there

1287
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,359
that's that's also something we're

1288
00:55:39,359 --> 00:55:41,040
trying to work on there so what can you

1289
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:42,640
guys do single family housing of course

1290
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,240
is always an issue here in Ketchan

1291
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:46,000
whether it's just opening up more land

1292
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,000
working together I have reached out to

1293
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,240
Deborah and her and I'll meet up again

1294
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:52,319
later uh Jag also looked at acquiring

1295
00:55:52,319 --> 00:55:54,720
land seward and making a big housing

1296
00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:56,400
development for single family housing

1297
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,720
single family housing um because we've

1298
00:55:58,720 --> 00:55:59,760
already brought people up here who want

1299
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,119
to move here and want to live here, but

1300
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:03,040
finding housing effectively and

1301
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:04,720
efficiently is a little difficult when

1302
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:07,119
you're new to catch can. So, this covers

1303
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:09,520
our transient need, diminishes the load

1304
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,680
on Ketchan during the summer occupancy,

1305
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,799
and also helps us with short-term

1306
00:56:14,799 --> 00:56:16,880
lodging for anybody in our organization

1307
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,599
who needs it. Long-term, like I said,

1308
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:21,520
family homes, you know, it's the most

1309
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,520
critical thing that I could say, and of

1310
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:24,720
course, all of you could potentially

1311
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:28,000
agree. Um, so moving on that.

1312
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:28,470
>> Yes, please.

1313
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:28,480
» Yes, please.

1314
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,870
>> I have a question. Um, so my

1315
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:30,880
» I have a question. Um, so my

1316
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,880
understanding is so you have a spot in

1317
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:33,920
Skagway

1318
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:34,630
>> Sewart.

1319
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:34,640
» Sewart.

1320
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,390
>> Sewart, excuse, sorry. Um, and then

1321
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:38,400
» Sewart, excuse, sorry. Um, and then

1322
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,230
>> I don't know why Skagway is on my mind.

1323
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:40,240
» I don't know why Skagway is on my mind.

1324
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:43,839
Um, maybe it's the snow.

1325
00:56:43,839 --> 00:56:46,150
>> I heard you're also looking at wrangle.

1326
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:46,160
» I heard you're also looking at wrangle.

1327
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,480
So, what's the commitment and like

1328
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,720
what's the work?

1329
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:52,230
>> I I just can't even

1330
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:52,240
» I I just can't even

1331
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:53,349
>> You don't see the amount of workload

1332
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:53,359
» You don't see the amount of workload

1333
00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:54,480
because I've stood here before you and

1334
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:55,760
told you there's not enough workload out

1335
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,520
there. [laughter]

1336
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,510
>> I have a

1337
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:59,520
» I have a

1338
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:00,799
That's that's perfectly honest and and

1339
00:57:00,799 --> 00:57:04,319
and fine question. Um Seward has plenty

1340
00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:06,240
of work right now. I can't fit more

1341
00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:08,799
boats right now. And there's other

1342
00:57:08,799 --> 00:57:10,960
shipyards that are about 6 and 700 miles

1343
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:12,559
away that I know the amount of work they

1344
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:14,720
go after, bid on and also compete with.

1345
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:16,000
And none of those ships have ever came

1346
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,960
to the Alaskan waters nor bid be bid for

1347
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,880
the Alaskan waters. there is a large

1348
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,760
market share for some other potential

1349
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,079
our potential competitors that are

1350
00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:28,319
nearby that we could compete with all of

1351
00:57:28,319 --> 00:57:30,160
the vessels that they currently also go

1352
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,599
after. So I would say there is plenty of

1353
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:35,920
work if we even had the wrangle shipyard

1354
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,160
in full operation catch shipyard and

1355
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:39,280
sewage shipyard. [snorts]

1356
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:40,390
>> Nice. Nice

1357
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:40,400
» Nice. Nice

1358
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,030
>> because we are competitor now. We're not

1359
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:43,040
» because we are competitor now. We're not

1360
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,599
Yeah. Anyways um additionally

1361
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:46,789
>> being more aggressive.

1362
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:46,799
» being more aggressive.

1363
00:57:46,799 --> 00:57:49,510
>> Yes. Yeah. that and also catches can

1364
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:49,520
» Yes. Yeah. that and also catches can

1365
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,040
shipyard doesn't have the capacity for

1366
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:52,720
our ice breakers. So there's also

1367
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,839
conversations with uh federal delegation

1368
00:57:55,839 --> 00:57:57,839
to potentially put a third dry dock in

1369
00:57:57,839 --> 00:57:59,520
South Birth. The DOT is also in that

1370
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:00,640
conversation. There's not a slide on

1371
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:01,599
that, but that would increase our

1372
00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:03,280
occupancy here, but that's only one. If

1373
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:04,640
we get four to six ice breakers in

1374
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,079
Alaskan waters defending American

1375
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:08,240
waters, then we'd have a rotationary

1376
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,520
budgetary cycle for I think it's $1.7

1377
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,000
billion as defense for the ice breakers

1378
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,200
alone. So I mean, you're going to need

1379
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,760
more shipyards in potential. So if we

1380
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,240
have the ability to bid and execute

1381
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:21,599
because we get all the Coast Guard, Jay

1382
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:22,960
gets all the Coastg Guard icebreaker

1383
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,359
work. So you need more occupancy. So

1384
00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:26,720
Wrangle will be a prime site for that.

1385
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,480
There's also MSC which is military seal

1386
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:29,839
of lift command. All those ships are

1387
00:58:29,839 --> 00:58:31,200
service down south

1388
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,990
>> and right and in Hawaii. Yes.

1389
00:58:33,990 --> 00:58:34,000
» and right and in Hawaii. Yes.

1390
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,789
>> We also talking 6 700t ships.

1391
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:36,799
» We also talking 6 700t ships.

1392
00:58:36,799 --> 00:58:38,470
>> Uh we were aggressively going after a

1393
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:38,480
» Uh we were aggressively going after a

1394
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,799
tao or the ketchan shipyard potentially.

1395
00:58:40,799 --> 00:58:42,160
We were entertaining it and looking at

1396
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,240
it and I believe we're submitting on it.

1397
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,760
Um that vessel is

1398
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,079
Um it's large I'll put it that way. It

1399
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:51,599
requires a lot of power and a lot of

1400
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:54,880
service that is not it we can do the job

1401
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,200
but you know being able to catch only

1402
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,640
has so much infrastructure. Same thing

1403
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,720
with sewart. So this would add that max

1404
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,559
cap. It would be putting you know cruise

1405
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:04,319
ship dock in per se allowing you to

1406
00:59:04,319 --> 00:59:06,720
perform on vessels that size. So

1407
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,510
>> So you're looking at extending that that

1408
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:09,520
» So you're looking at extending that that

1409
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:13,040
pro or the the shipyard or too.

1410
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,069
>> We'll extend everywhere we can.

1411
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:16,079
» We'll extend everywhere we can.

1412
00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:17,680
Yep.

1413
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,920
Did that answer it clearly? Excellent.

1414
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:21,990
>> Thank you.

1415
00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:22,000
» Thank you.

1416
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,829
>> Um, next one is what problems getting

1417
00:59:25,829 --> 00:59:25,839
» Um, next one is what problems getting

1418
00:59:25,839 --> 00:59:27,599
skilled employees? Uh, we have an

1419
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:29,520
unlimited supply of skilled workers.

1420
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:30,880
They are traveling workers. So,

1421
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,480
apprentichip programs, that's a great

1422
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,079
thing. Hiring people in, putting them

1423
00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:36,240
beside somebody and getting them to

1424
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,160
learn and work their way up is something

1425
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,720
that we're a severe advocate of and in

1426
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,000
the process of. um been hiring in plenty

1427
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,920
of people who are not top tier qualified

1428
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:47,760
but are willing to work hard that is the

1429
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,760
first I mean if anybody listening if you

1430
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,760
want to pee clean and work your butt off

1431
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,680
and make a lot of money there is an

1432
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,200
excellent opportunity there you will

1433
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,440
work a lot though um because we like to

1434
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,680
work a lot at a ship it's a good thing

1435
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,400
so um you know problems getting skilled

1436
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,079
employees isn't the exact thing it's

1437
01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:06,000
it's if we want to bring them and have

1438
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,760
them live here in Ketchan we want to

1439
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,839
grow our base here in Ketchan so that

1440
01:00:09,839 --> 01:00:10,880
goes back to the housing piece that

1441
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,400
we're also working on and also the

1442
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,280
pipeline with high school with uh KIC

1443
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:16,960
with the local community college or

1444
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,559
local college, excuse me. Um yeah, what

1445
01:00:20,559 --> 01:00:22,400
resources explored to build Alaskan

1446
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,240
resident employee base? Uh like I just

1447
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:25,359
talked about all those. We're also

1448
01:00:25,359 --> 01:00:26,480
bringing in I just brought in somebody

1449
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,520
from ABTE which is the technical school

1450
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,839
in Seward. So working there. Uh I

1451
01:00:31,839 --> 01:00:33,599
brought a guy down off pipeline. Usually

1452
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:34,720
loose people up there but I actually

1453
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,000
brought one in. I'm also flying people

1454
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,799
up from down south um that want to move

1455
01:00:38,799 --> 01:00:43,520
here. Uh currently two uh marine

1456
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,040
contractors closed their doors in the

1457
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:46,160
last couple weeks and so we've been

1458
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:47,680
working with their former employees as

1459
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,040
well to see if they want to come up to

1460
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,520
our great catch again camp. Excuse me.

1461
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,520
And last but not least question uh what

1462
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,040
can you all do to help right um you

1463
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:58,720
already do enough of course we all do

1464
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:00,319
but there's lots of things that can be

1465
01:01:00,319 --> 01:01:02,319
done of course additionally. So I'm

1466
01:01:02,319 --> 01:01:03,440
going to start in the bottom and just

1467
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:04,720
talk about the hub zone status we've

1468
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,400
submitted for hub zone status for catch

1469
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,960
can which we for our shipyard. What that

1470
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:10,880
means is it allows us to be more

1471
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,799
competitive and have a percentage uh

1472
01:01:12,799 --> 01:01:17,119
advantage for bidding. Um catch scan in

1473
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:18,480
the summer is not economically

1474
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:19,839
depressed. Catch scan in the winter is

1475
01:01:19,839 --> 01:01:21,359
economically depressed. So hub zone

1476
01:01:21,359 --> 01:01:23,599
status would be applied if approved

1477
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:25,920
through the the

1478
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:27,520
department of commerce would allow us to

1479
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:28,880
be more competitively bid. So when

1480
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:30,720
somebody asks you about that, if you are

1481
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,440
in favor of it, please verbalize that.

1482
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:34,640
If you're not, of course, that's your

1483
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:36,079
own prerogative and I respect that as

1484
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:38,319
well. But um this would benefit the

1485
01:01:38,319 --> 01:01:40,079
economy of catch can and benefit putting

1486
01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:41,520
more jobs here as well and bidding more

1487
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,480
jobs. Um and then identifying additional

1488
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,520
opportunities is always a thing. Um if

1489
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,119
you guys come up with something or want

1490
01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:50,480
us to look at something and be happy to

1491
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,319
look at it, please shoot me an email or

1492
01:01:52,319 --> 01:01:54,319
get a hold of us in any way, shape or

1493
01:01:54,319 --> 01:01:55,920
form.

1494
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:57,839
And I took more than three minutes. I do

1495
01:01:57,839 --> 01:02:00,240
apologize. And any questions? Next

1496
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,000
slide, please.

1497
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,910
>> I have one about the Can you explain the

1498
01:02:03,910 --> 01:02:03,920
» I have one about the Can you explain the

1499
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:05,680
hub status?

1500
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,160
I don't have an extreme understanding of

1501
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,000
it. I have a general understanding of

1502
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,839
it. I haven't read into it in depth. I

1503
01:02:11,839 --> 01:02:13,599
know I put it together. It's based on

1504
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:15,040
the amount of residents that we have

1505
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:16,160
working here and we meet that

1506
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,280
qualification. It's based on it allows

1507
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,119
us to

1508
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:23,520
and I know if my boss is watching

1509
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:24,799
wondering why I'm not, you know, saying

1510
01:02:24,799 --> 01:02:26,319
so eloquently because I usually have a

1511
01:02:26,319 --> 01:02:29,760
very articulate answer. um it allows the

1512
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,880
government and other competitive

1513
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,119
um solicitors, people putting out jobs

1514
01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:37,920
to give us an advantage to bid on that

1515
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,839
work. So I've sat here before you and

1516
01:02:39,839 --> 01:02:41,200
talked about small business set aside

1517
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:42,799
being a problem. That's actually a

1518
01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:45,119
benefit now. So I mean we get the small

1519
01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:46,880
bit business jobs. The fairweather

1520
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,040
that's down there was one of them. Um

1521
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:50,880
the Kestrel is not a small business, but

1522
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,200
the hub zone jobs, those also add that

1523
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,040
additional layer of those who are not in

1524
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,680
a hub zone cannot bid on them. So,

1525
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:01,670
>> um, it adds a additional insurance to be

1526
01:03:01,670 --> 01:03:01,680
» um, it adds a additional insurance to be

1527
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,760
able to compete in those areas.

1528
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:04,950
>> Thank you.

1529
01:03:04,950 --> 01:03:04,960
» Thank you.

1530
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:05,430
>> Yeah.

1531
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:05,440
» Yeah.

1532
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:06,710
>> Uh, thank you, Mr. Willer, for your

1533
01:03:06,710 --> 01:03:06,720
» Uh, thank you, Mr. Willer, for your

1534
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,040
presentation. Uh, first I want to say I

1535
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:10,240
know you said it's a temporary fix, but

1536
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:11,280
I'm really impressed that you got that

1537
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:12,720
slab issue addressed because I know when

1538
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,240
we had that meeting at that very civic

1539
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:15,440
center, that was one of the topics of

1540
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:16,960
discussion. It didn't sound like an easy

1541
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:18,960
solution. I know there's a larger fix

1542
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:20,319
that needs to be made over time, but I'm

1543
01:03:20,319 --> 01:03:21,920
really glad you have that working now.

1544
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:23,359
Uh, in the interval between Bigger's

1545
01:03:23,359 --> 01:03:24,799
operation and Jags, you said you were

1546
01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:26,640
down to eight people working on site.

1547
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,039
And I'm just curious, and you may not

1548
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:30,160
have the specific numbers, and that's

1549
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:31,920
fine, but I know there were a lot of

1550
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,160
employees that were part of the previous

1551
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,720
operation who were concerned about their

1552
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,119
jobs, their future, etc. And I wondered,

1553
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:40,720
you might be able to speak to what

1554
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:42,559
percentage of those individuals you're

1555
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:44,480
able to rehire or retain.

1556
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,349
>> So far, I've gotten about 68% of them

1557
01:03:47,349 --> 01:03:47,359
» So far, I've gotten about 68% of them

1558
01:03:47,359 --> 01:03:48,000
back.

1559
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:49,670
>> That's a pretty great specific number.

1560
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:49,680
» That's a pretty great specific number.

1561
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,440
Okay. Thank you. That's

1562
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:52,789
>> I didn't add it to the slide, I ran out

1563
01:03:52,789 --> 01:03:52,799
» I didn't add it to the slide, I ran out

1564
01:03:52,799 --> 01:03:53,520
of room, but yeah.

1565
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:54,549
>> Yeah. [laughter] Okay.

1566
01:03:54,549 --> 01:03:54,559
» Yeah. [laughter] Okay.

1567
01:03:54,559 --> 01:03:56,630
>> It was originally I as it was estimated

1568
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:56,640
» It was originally I as it was estimated

1569
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,160
80 with a lick of the thumb in the wind,

1570
01:03:58,160 --> 01:03:59,760
but when I actually got a couple months

1571
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,599
in for overall statistics, it was

1572
01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:03,920
approximately 68%. And that's not

1573
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,319
because of any any

1574
01:04:06,319 --> 01:04:08,240
issue. We offered them all jobs back per

1575
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,720
se. Uh it's just or you know, it's

1576
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,160
people found other employment and other

1577
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,240
other avenues of their own passion,

1578
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:15,839
whatever that may be. Sure. They're

1579
01:04:15,839 --> 01:04:18,870
>> not worth that many hours and work.

1580
01:04:18,870 --> 01:04:18,880
» not worth that many hours and work.

1581
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,510
>> All right. Anybody else? Thank you.

1582
01:04:21,510 --> 01:04:21,520
» All right. Anybody else? Thank you.

1583
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:22,470
>> All right. Thank you guys for your time

1584
01:04:22,470 --> 01:04:22,480
» All right. Thank you guys for your time

1585
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:26,630
and have a good evening.

1586
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:30,160
» That brings us to consent.

1587
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:31,520
I have a motion.

1588
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:32,470
>> Move to consent.

1589
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:32,480
» Move to consent.

1590
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:33,190
>> Second.

1591
01:04:33,190 --> 01:04:33,200
» Second.

1592
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,789
>> It has been moved and seconded.

1593
01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:36,799
» It has been moved and seconded.

1594
01:04:36,799 --> 01:04:39,680
Um

1595
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,000
clerk, would you read the item? Approval

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01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,920
of minutes, special budget meetings of

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01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,160
December 8th, December 11th, December

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01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:50,480
15th of 2025, and a special meeting of

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01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,760
December 13, 2025, and the regular

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01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,119
meeting of December 18th, 2025, purchase

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01:04:57,119 --> 01:05:00,000
of Palo Alto Network Security Appliances

1602
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,200
with 5 years of support, Compunet, Inc.,

1603
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,760
Procurement of Microsoft Office 365

1604
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,160
subscription licenses and support

1605
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:12,240
services Microsoft Corporation via SVR

1606
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,480
Compunet Inc. billing software and

1607
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:22,789
annual maintenance support comproc

1608
01:05:22,799 --> 01:05:26,559
uh utility equipment and uplifting LLC.

1609
01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:28,720
A council review of liquor license

1610
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,200
renewal application endorsement inside

1611
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,920
passage brewing company DVA Boden Street

1612
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:35,920
Brewing Company.

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01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:37,349
>> There were some items that there was

1614
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:37,359
» There were some items that there was

1615
01:05:37,359 --> 01:05:41,440
questions on uh item B Lacy the purchase

1616
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:45,839
of the Palato network security.

1617
01:05:45,839 --> 01:05:47,910
>> Sure your your honor and members of the

1618
01:05:47,910 --> 01:05:47,920
» Sure your your honor and members of the

1619
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:49,920
council. This is one of the capital

1620
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,559
improvement project items that the

1621
01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:55,520
information technology movement put in

1622
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,839
their uh capital improvement program for

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01:05:57,839 --> 01:06:00,720
2026. This is one of the items per a

1624
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,520
budget update that I recommended um

1625
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:07,359
remain funded and that I wanted I had

1626
01:06:07,359 --> 01:06:10,000
directed the IT director to move forward

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01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,599
with in 2026. Um what this particular

1628
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:16,079
project is um what the council's

1629
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:18,640
authorizing is year three of a five-year

1630
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,119
contract agreement for these services.

1631
01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:24,799
This is essentially our um it's our our

1632
01:06:24,799 --> 01:06:27,119
firewall. It's our security system for

1633
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:29,839
our network. Everybody within the city

1634
01:06:29,839 --> 01:06:33,760
utilizes this particular um piece of of

1635
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,079
software and infrastructure. If we were

1636
01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:38,559
not to renew this license, um, as I

1637
01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:40,240
explained earlier, this would have

1638
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,240
immediate and devastating consequences

1639
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,559
for the city. Um, we would essentially

1640
01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:46,400
come to a screeching halt in a number of

1641
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,880
departments. Um, again, this is a 5-year

1642
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:50,799
agreement. So, all that the council is

1643
01:06:50,799 --> 01:06:53,280
authorizing is the purchase price, um,

1644
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,760
which was agreed to upfront. Um, but

1645
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:57,520
because of its value, it needs to come

1646
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,280
to the city council, but we have entered

1647
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,760
into a five-year agreement, and so to

1648
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:03,920
not continue with that would be a breach

1649
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,000
of that contract. But again, I can't

1650
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:07,760
stress enough the importance of this

1651
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,640
particular project um to the operability

1652
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,119
of the city going forward.

1653
01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:15,430
>> Happy to answer any questions in the IT

1654
01:07:15,430 --> 01:07:15,440
» Happy to answer any questions in the IT

1655
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:16,960
here as well.

1656
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:17,750
>> Yes.

1657
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:17,760
» Yes.

1658
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:21,109
>> U through the mayor. Uh is this project

1659
01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:21,119
» U through the mayor. Uh is this project

1660
01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:24,240
doesn't the telecom division have

1661
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:26,880
something similar? I mean what my

1662
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,119
concern is at the budget meetings we

1663
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:31,520
said that let's get an analysis of what

1664
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:34,000
is being duplicated what can be done

1665
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,160
between the two departments.

1666
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:37,910
>> So council member Vatani at the time

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01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:37,920
» So council member Vatani at the time

1668
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,920
that this particular software was

1669
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:41,760
purchased we consulted the

1670
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:43,440
telecommunications division and they

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01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,599
were not able to provide this service.

1672
01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:47,440
Yes they do have their own software

1673
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,240
services in place. Um but again right

1674
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:53,119
now start of the year we are obligated

1675
01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:55,760
to move forward with um with this

1676
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,079
contractual agreement. Um the analysis

1677
01:07:58,079 --> 01:07:59,839
that the council had asked for is going

1678
01:07:59,839 --> 01:08:01,920
to take some time. Um we don't have the

1679
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,000
time right now to not continue with this

1680
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,760
agreement again without having

1681
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:07,599
consequences for the operability of the

1682
01:08:07,599 --> 01:08:10,000
city. We can continue having discussions

1683
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,400
with telecommunications on if what they

1684
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,640
have in the future might work well for

1685
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,120
the city. Um, but again, I'd have to

1686
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,279
look at that five-year agreement that we

1687
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:23,520
agreed to um for the Pelo Alto security

1688
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,000
appliance system um and see what

1689
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,640
consequences there may be if we were to

1690
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:30,799
pull out of that contract prematurely.

1691
01:08:30,799 --> 01:08:32,149
>> Thank you,

1692
01:08:32,149 --> 01:08:32,159
» Thank you,

1693
01:08:32,159 --> 01:08:32,870
>> Abby.

1694
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:32,880
» Abby.

1695
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:34,309
>> Thank you for those comments. Those are

1696
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:34,319
» Thank you for those comments. Those are

1697
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:37,359
obviously my that comments as well. Uh

1698
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:40,159
my only thing is I I do want even though

1699
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:41,679
we go forward with this purchase, I

1700
01:08:41,679 --> 01:08:43,359
don't want it to drop off until January

1701
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:46,000
next year, but I would really like us to

1702
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,000
start now. You said year

1703
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:49,110
>> three of five.

1704
01:08:49,110 --> 01:08:49,120
» three of five.

1705
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,510
>> So we have technically three

1706
01:08:51,510 --> 01:08:51,520
» So we have technically three

1707
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:53,269
>> two more approvals, but we should start

1708
01:08:53,269 --> 01:08:53,279
» two more approvals, but we should start

1709
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:56,560
looking now at what options do we have

1710
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:00,239
internally for this because as I know

1711
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:01,920
it's not you turn off this switch and

1712
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:03,440
start this switch on something of this

1713
01:09:03,440 --> 01:09:06,000
nature. it is a progressive

1714
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,199
uh switchover to make maintain security.

1715
01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:11,279
So if it's you know if there is

1716
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:14,239
something internally that does meet the

1717
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:17,120
criteria and save money I want to start

1718
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:19,679
getting the move on that now so that we

1719
01:09:19,679 --> 01:09:22,719
have a proper handover to make sure that

1720
01:09:22,719 --> 01:09:24,799
the it is secure that's the whole point

1721
01:09:24,799 --> 01:09:26,960
of the system so just because this goes

1722
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,120
forward I still wanted to include it in

1723
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:30,880
the process doesn't see

1724
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,110
>> thank you

1725
01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:33,120
» thank you

1726
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:38,000
there was also questions on item C Jay

1727
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:39,749
>> did you have a for that. I just wanted

1728
01:09:39,749 --> 01:09:39,759
» did you have a for that. I just wanted

1729
01:09:39,759 --> 01:09:40,319
to explain.

1730
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:42,390
>> I mean, just need explanation so people

1731
01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:42,400
» I mean, just need explanation so people

1732
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,239
know what's going on.

1733
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:47,269
>> This is the office uh 365 subscription

1734
01:09:47,269 --> 01:09:47,279
» This is the office uh 365 subscription

1735
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:49,440
license support services.

1736
01:09:49,440 --> 01:09:52,630
>> Yep. So, um Council Member Matani, um

1737
01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:52,640
» Yep. So, um Council Member Matani, um

1738
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,760
the city has for quite some time been a

1739
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:59,440
Microsoft products user. I think in 2024

1740
01:09:59,440 --> 01:10:01,840
is when we migrated to a subscription

1741
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:06,000
service um rather than an annual um

1742
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:07,280
don't know what you would necessarily

1743
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:09,600
term it you might have to help me out

1744
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,719
here um but we we switched over from um

1745
01:10:12,719 --> 01:10:14,719
essentially purchasing that software and

1746
01:10:14,719 --> 01:10:16,320
having it physically installed in the

1747
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,159
city to doing a cloud-based subscription

1748
01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:21,120
service. Um again this is something this

1749
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:24,239
is a um for for cities our size and for

1750
01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:26,080
a lot of businesses having Microsoft

1751
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:30,159
Office 365 is essential for all manner

1752
01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:33,840
of of operations within uh government.

1753
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,679
We use it for email. We use it for um

1754
01:10:37,679 --> 01:10:40,159
word processing. We use it for Excel

1755
01:10:40,159 --> 01:10:42,239
spreadsheets. We use it for Microsoft

1756
01:10:42,239 --> 01:10:45,600
Teams. Um we use it for a whole host of

1757
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,400
different services that it offers. Um,

1758
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:51,120
so again, when we made this we made this

1759
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:54,800
uh this leap over to a subscription uh

1760
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:56,880
purchase rather than having it kind of

1761
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:58,880
part installed, we still have a cost

1762
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:00,640
associated with it no matter what. Um,

1763
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,400
it's just how we're delivering the

1764
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,960
product. Brock, do you want to add any

1765
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:06,080
more detail to that?

1766
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:08,310
>> Um, we did an analysis uh during the

1767
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:08,320
» Um, we did an analysis uh during the

1768
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:09,920
initial discussions of moving to a

1769
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,080
subscription service uh kind of pros and

1770
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:16,400
cons. Um if you if you look at it, it's

1771
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:18,880
about a three-year break even uh for

1772
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:20,880
updating your software inhouse versus

1773
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,600
going subscription. Um if we drag it out

1774
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:25,520
longer for the non-subscription

1775
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,400
licensing, we have to go, you know, we

1776
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:30,480
start saving money, but we get far

1777
01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:32,239
farther behind and it's a larger jump

1778
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:34,480
for staff to get up to date. Um the

1779
01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:36,800
subscription service also gave us uh

1780
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:38,480
quite a few additional features that we

1781
01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:40,560
didn't have. multifactor authentication

1782
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,480
was the big one that brought us into

1783
01:11:42,480 --> 01:11:44,800
compliance having that MFA on your phone

1784
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,360
before you could hook up to your email

1785
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:49,840
account. Um that just prevents the bad

1786
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:51,440
guys from getting into the accounts with

1787
01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:53,920
just a username and a password. Um that

1788
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,239
was huge. We couldn't do it on premise.

1789
01:11:56,239 --> 01:11:58,719
We had to go to a hybrid solution. Um

1790
01:11:58,719 --> 01:12:00,239
there's definitely a cost associated

1791
01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:02,000
with it. Uh we try to keep our license

1792
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,880
counts as low as possible but um again

1793
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,280
it was if we're upgrading our on-remise

1794
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:09,520
software every 3 years it's almost a

1795
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,920
dead even match for what it would cost

1796
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,560
us and that's what we have been doing.

1797
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,120
Um it's a big number but it's uh

1798
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:18,719
essential for operations for every

1799
01:12:18,719 --> 01:12:21,360
department.

1800
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:21,990
>> Follow up.

1801
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:22,000
» Follow up.

1802
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:25,669
>> Yes. So I mean getting it done in-house

1803
01:12:25,669 --> 01:12:25,679
» Yes. So I mean getting it done in-house

1804
01:12:25,679 --> 01:12:29,120
or collaborating with KPU you said in

1805
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,440
the long run it might be a saving but

1806
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:33,280
right now it is not.

1807
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:34,470
>> This is correct.

1808
01:12:34,470 --> 01:12:34,480
» This is correct.

1809
01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:36,790
>> This is not a thing that you would

1810
01:12:36,790 --> 01:12:36,800
» This is not a thing that you would

1811
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:38,960
collaborate with KPU. They pay the

1812
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,600
subscription price for their Office 365

1813
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:45,440
the same as us. Um there's there's no

1814
01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:48,320
savings except you take the I guess the

1815
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,239
ownership of the management of that

1816
01:12:50,239 --> 01:12:53,440
software away from it. Um it means we

1817
01:12:53,440 --> 01:12:54,800
have to call somebody else when we need

1818
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:56,880
to do something and wait for them to

1819
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,360
take care of it. Um we have the staff

1820
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:01,120
inhouse trained. We did our own

1821
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,159
migration to the platform. Um it's not

1822
01:13:04,159 --> 01:13:05,920
really an in-house or not in-house

1823
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,560
thing. Um that goes for a lot of things

1824
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,600
we do in IT. I mean we

1825
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:13,520
you know we're we're proposing these

1826
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,360
things that we manage and take care of.

1827
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,480
Um if we can do it in the IT department

1828
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:20,320
we do. We don't hire outside contractors

1829
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:22,880
to manage things for us. This is a

1830
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:24,640
subscription license that would cost the

1831
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:26,800
same price for us to get it as it would

1832
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:28,320
KU to get it and they would have to

1833
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:29,760
resell it to us. So they'd have to

1834
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,280
actually tack on something to make a

1835
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:33,441
profit.

1836
01:13:33,441 --> 01:13:33,520
[clears throat]

1837
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,830
>> Yes. Just to follow up. So if you

1838
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:35,840
» Yes. Just to follow up. So if you

1839
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:37,840
combine both, wouldn't the subscription

1840
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:38,960
be cheaper?

1841
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,270
>> Not necessarily. Um we are using a

1842
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:41,280
» Not necessarily. Um we are using a

1843
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,360
government contract pricing. So we've

1844
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,199
gone from the street price down to a

1845
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:47,120
much lower negotiated price the state

1846
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,440
got. Um keep you might actually save

1847
01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:51,840
some money going with us. Um they might

1848
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:53,520
not. I don't know exactly what pricing

1849
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:55,199
they have negotiated with their vendor.

1850
01:13:55,199 --> 01:13:56,640
They go through a different vendor and

1851
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,920
management for that. I don't know if you

1852
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:02,080
have specifics, Matt, for that.

1853
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:03,350
>> I don't have

1854
01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:03,360
» I don't have

1855
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:06,630
>> Okay. Um but yeah, we we found the

1856
01:14:06,630 --> 01:14:06,640
» Okay. Um but yeah, we we found the

1857
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:08,159
cheapest price we could which is

1858
01:14:08,159 --> 01:14:09,600
government state of Alaska government

1859
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,199
contract. So

1860
01:14:11,199 --> 01:14:13,110
>> yeah, I'm just concerned about duplicity

1861
01:14:13,110 --> 01:14:13,120
» yeah, I'm just concerned about duplicity

1862
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:14,480
between the two departments.

1863
01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:15,750
>> I agree. I don't think there's

1864
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:15,760
» I agree. I don't think there's

1865
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,159
duplication happening here. We just use

1866
01:14:18,159 --> 01:14:20,560
similar services that have pricing. If

1867
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:22,239
we combined them, it would be about the

1868
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:26,560
same cost. It it either way um they have

1869
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:27,920
different internal requirements for

1870
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:32,080
their 0365 deployment for kptel us than

1871
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:35,600
we do for catch.gov. Um we've been

1872
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,120
working with them for the last couple of

1873
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,440
years to create a protomain trust with

1874
01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:41,600
those two units so that we don't have to

1875
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:43,840
have duplic duplicate accounts on either

1876
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,080
side because one thing they did when

1877
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:48,320
they moved to their own uh email system

1878
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,320
it was originally Gmail and then they

1879
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:54,960
moved 0365 uh slightly after we did um

1880
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,520
because Gmail was there was some pricing

1881
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,760
changes there um they wanted to have

1882
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,400
their own email system for their own

1883
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:05,760
keeput [clears throat] less

1884
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,880
uh customer base I guess is what it was

1885
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,840
and um yeah we're trying to combine them

1886
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:13,760
so that we don't have to give catch.gov

1887
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:15,520
domains to their users but we trust

1888
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,199
their accounts they can trust ours and

1889
01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:18,880
kind of share those resources so we're

1890
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:20,320
working very cooperatively trying to

1891
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:21,280
make that happen.

1892
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,350
>> Thank you.

1893
01:15:23,350 --> 01:15:23,360
» Thank you.

1894
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:26,470
>> Then [clears throat] we have item D and

1895
01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:26,480
» Then [clears throat] we have item D and

1896
01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:30,159
building software maintenance support.

1897
01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:33,360
That's a end of thing, Lacy.

1898
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:36,149
>> Yes, this is an annual um expenditure

1899
01:15:36,149 --> 01:15:36,159
» Yes, this is an annual um expenditure

1900
01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:38,880
for the KP telecommunications division

1901
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:40,960
for our billing software system. This is

1902
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,679
just the annual maintenance and support

1903
01:15:43,679 --> 01:15:47,120
um for comoft which um is proprietary

1904
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:50,719
system. So um we need to go with them to

1905
01:15:50,719 --> 01:15:52,320
provide that annual maintenance and

1906
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,880
support service um to ensure that the

1907
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,600
software um which again we use for for

1908
01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:59,360
billing continues to work and is

1909
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:01,040
receiving the proper upgrades that it

1910
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:02,080
needs.

1911
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,149
>> Thank you.

1912
01:16:04,149 --> 01:16:04,159
» Thank you.

1913
01:16:04,159 --> 01:16:05,830
>> Thank you. Bring us to item E

1914
01:16:05,830 --> 01:16:05,840
» Thank you. Bring us to item E

1915
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:07,280
procurement and protecting the fire

1916
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:10,239
department.

1917
01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:12,400
Do you have questions? Yeah, my question

1918
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:17,120
is on the second portion the 43,000

1919
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:21,360
and one uh it is this command vehicle a

1920
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:24,080
second uh used vehicle or is this brand

1921
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:27,440
new and why do we need that 43,000 if we

1922
01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:29,679
can get explanation from the fire chief

1923
01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:31,360
on that.

1924
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:35,990
>> So I'll I'll start um Matani. So um the

1925
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:36,000
» So I'll I'll start um Matani. So um the

1926
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,239
this is a new vehicle. It's replacing a

1927
01:16:38,239 --> 01:16:39,760
vehicle that we currently have in the

1928
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:41,840
fleet. So it's um it's a replacement.

1929
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:43,360
It's not adding to the total number of

1930
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:46,719
vehicles that we have. Um the additional

1931
01:16:46,719 --> 01:16:49,679
the 43,000 is for upfitting costs for

1932
01:16:49,679 --> 01:16:51,679
the vehicle. So while there's a vehicle

1933
01:16:51,679 --> 01:16:53,920
price that's just for a stock vehicle in

1934
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:56,640
order to just as we do for a lot of

1935
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,360
specialized vehicles, be it for fire or

1936
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:01,840
police or other vehicles. Um what we

1937
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:03,760
take off the assembly line is not

1938
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,800
entirely what we need for operation. So,

1939
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:08,640
um, the quote that is included with this

1940
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:10,159
agenda item includes all of the

1941
01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:12,719
upfitting costs to upfit the vehicle to

1942
01:17:12,719 --> 01:17:14,800
be a fully functional command vehicle

1943
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:16,400
for for the chief and the fire

1944
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:19,120
department. Um, but Rick, do you want to

1945
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:21,360
talk more about anything specific to

1946
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:22,560
those up?

1947
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:24,070
>> Any further questions?

1948
01:17:24,070 --> 01:17:24,080
» Any further questions?

1949
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:25,030
>> No.

1950
01:17:25,030 --> 01:17:25,040
» No.

1951
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:26,790
>> Okay. Thank you.

1952
01:17:26,790 --> 01:17:26,800
» Okay. Thank you.

1953
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:28,870
>> Anybody have any questions?

1954
01:17:28,870 --> 01:17:28,880
» Anybody have any questions?

1955
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:30,550
>> Thank you.

1956
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:30,560
» Thank you.

1957
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,709
>> Thank you.

1958
01:17:32,709 --> 01:17:32,719
» Thank you.

1959
01:17:32,719 --> 01:17:34,239
So with that, we have a motion on the

1960
01:17:34,239 --> 01:17:36,448
floor for the consent. Any

1961
01:17:36,448 --> 01:17:39,040
[clears throat] other questions?

1962
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:40,560
Hearing seeing none, we please call the

1963
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:40,960
role.

1964
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:41,750
>> Bradberry,

1965
01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:41,760
» Bradberry,

1966
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:42,950
>> no.

1967
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:42,960
» no.

1968
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:43,669
>> Gage,

1969
01:17:43,669 --> 01:17:43,679
» Gage,

1970
01:17:43,679 --> 01:17:44,790
>> yes.

1971
01:17:44,790 --> 01:17:44,800
» yes.

1972
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:45,590
>> Zingy,

1973
01:17:45,590 --> 01:17:45,600
» Zingy,

1974
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:48,149
>> yes.

1975
01:17:48,149 --> 01:17:48,159
» yes.

1976
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:48,790
>> Matani,

1977
01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:48,800
» Matani,

1978
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:49,990
>> no.

1979
01:17:49,990 --> 01:17:50,000
» no.

1980
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:51,510
>> Gas,

1981
01:17:51,510 --> 01:17:51,520
» Gas,

1982
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:52,709
>> yes.

1983
01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:52,719
» yes.

1984
01:17:52,719 --> 01:17:53,350
>> Finigan,

1985
01:17:53,350 --> 01:17:53,360
» Finigan,

1986
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:54,070
>> yes.

1987
01:17:54,070 --> 01:17:54,080
» yes.

1988
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,070
>> That passes 42.

1989
01:17:56,070 --> 01:17:56,080
» That passes 42.

1990
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:57,750
>> Thank you. Bring this. There are no

1991
01:17:57,750 --> 01:17:57,760
» Thank you. Bring this. There are no

1992
01:17:57,760 --> 01:17:59,120
unfinished minutes. turning to new

1993
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:02,239
business item B 2026 funding agreement

1994
01:18:02,239 --> 01:18:04,000
between the city of Ketchan and Ketchan

1995
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:05,840
Visitor Bureau Inc. Do I have a motion

1996
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:07,840
please? [clears throat]

1997
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:09,440
Your honor move the city council

1998
01:18:09,440 --> 01:18:11,360
authorize the 2026 funding agreement

1999
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,360
between the city of Ketchan and the

2000
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:15,679
Ketchan Visitors Bureau Inc. at a cost

2001
01:18:15,679 --> 01:18:19,120
not to exceed 30

2002
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:22,159
sorry my thing cut off on my computer

2003
01:18:22,159 --> 01:18:23,760
$36,000

2004
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:25,760
authorizing funding in the amounts of

2005
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:32,870
101,100,450

2006
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:36,080
and 1 104550

2007
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:37,760
respectively from the civic center

2008
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,000
tourism management and port department's

2009
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:43,520
2026 other contractual services account

2010
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:46,480
number 635 5.14 and direct the acting

2011
01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:48,320
city manager to execute the agreement

2012
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:49,760
behalf of the city council.

2013
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:54,870
>> Second move second. Abby, anything?

2014
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:56,880
» No, I was just [laughter]

2015
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:58,719
making the motion.

2016
01:18:58,719 --> 01:18:59,990
>> Any other comment?

2017
01:18:59,990 --> 01:19:00,000
» Any other comment?

2018
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:01,910
>> I guess I'll throw something out there.

2019
01:19:01,910 --> 01:19:01,920
» I guess I'll throw something out there.

2020
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:04,239
Um, and not for to to change this today,

2021
01:19:04,239 --> 01:19:07,920
but something to be thinking about. Um,

2022
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,640
I'm wondering if there's a way that we

2023
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,600
could move our designated funding for

2024
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,000
wayfinding signage

2025
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:20,480
to um the KBB to and give them like a

2026
01:19:20,480 --> 01:19:24,159
scope of work for that. Um, I just know

2027
01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:28,000
they move at a lot faster pace than we

2028
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,640
do and they also work alongside Historic

2029
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,360
Catch Can and and a little they have

2030
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:34,880
they're just working a lot more project

2031
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,440
of advertisement marketing and they

2032
01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:39,199
could possibly create more of a

2033
01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:40,880
consistent

2034
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:44,320
signage way find wayf finding signage

2035
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,960
across the community. So, um, again, not

2036
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:48,320
for today, but just something to think

2037
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:50,560
about as we go through just to start

2038
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:52,080
getting these projects. That's been on

2039
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:53,920
the list for a while. The burrow is

2040
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:55,440
wanting to help with that as well. And

2041
01:19:55,440 --> 01:19:58,400
so, I think, um, might be a great

2042
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,400
opportunity for them to kind of lead

2043
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:02,000
that obviously with the scope of work

2044
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,199
from the city on what we want and they

2045
01:20:05,199 --> 01:20:06,960
can work alongside historic catch and

2046
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:07,600
make sure we're

2047
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:09,590
>> Thank you.

2048
01:20:09,590 --> 01:20:09,600
» Thank you.

2049
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:12,070
>> Anybody else? [snorts] Hearing seeing

2050
01:20:12,070 --> 01:20:12,080
» Anybody else? [snorts] Hearing seeing

2051
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,000
none, would you please call the RO?

2052
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:15,830
>> Gage.

2053
01:20:15,830 --> 01:20:15,840
» Gage.

2054
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:17,199
Yes,

2055
01:20:17,199 --> 01:20:18,070
>> Zingi.

2056
01:20:18,070 --> 01:20:18,080
» Zingi.

2057
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:19,350
>> Yes.

2058
01:20:19,350 --> 01:20:19,360
» Yes.

2059
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:20,070
>> Matani.

2060
01:20:20,070 --> 01:20:20,080
» Matani.

2061
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:20,870
>> Yes.

2062
01:20:20,870 --> 01:20:20,880
» Yes.

2063
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:21,510
>> Gas.

2064
01:20:21,510 --> 01:20:21,520
» Gas.

2065
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:22,070
>> Yes.

2066
01:20:22,070 --> 01:20:22,080
» Yes.

2067
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:22,709
>> Finigan.

2068
01:20:22,709 --> 01:20:22,719
» Finigan.

2069
01:20:22,719 --> 01:20:23,110
>> Yes.

2070
01:20:23,110 --> 01:20:23,120
» Yes.

2071
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:23,750
>> Bradbury.

2072
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:23,760
» Bradbury.

2073
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,070
>> Yes.

2074
01:20:26,070 --> 01:20:26,080
» Yes.

2075
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,310
>> Thank you. Brings us to item C. Use of

2076
01:20:28,310 --> 01:20:28,320
» Thank you. Brings us to item C. Use of

2077
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:30,239
CPV funds for public restroom in the

2078
01:20:30,239 --> 01:20:32,080
downtown catch can joint cooperative

2079
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:34,000
relations committee recommendations. Do

2080
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,239
I have a motion? Your honor, pursuant to

2081
01:20:36,239 --> 01:20:39,280
action taken at this December 19th, 2025

2082
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:41,920
joint cooperative relations committee

2083
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:43,760
meeting, I move the city council direct

2084
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,400
staff to develop cost estimates for the

2085
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:49,280
proposed public restroom location number

2086
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:52,640
224 Creek Street and location number 3,

2087
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,360
217 Steedman Street for presentation to

2088
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:57,040
the joint cooperative relations

2089
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:00,560
committee at its February 27th, 2026

2090
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,239
meeting.

2091
01:21:02,239 --> 01:21:04,229
>> Is there a second?

2092
01:21:04,229 --> 01:21:04,239
» Is there a second?

2093
01:21:04,239 --> 01:21:05,040
second.

2094
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:07,110
>> It has been new second. Riley, you have

2095
01:21:07,110 --> 01:21:07,120
» It has been new second. Riley, you have

2096
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:08,560
anything to add?

2097
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:10,229
>> Oh, I don't know if we're going to dive

2098
01:21:10,229 --> 01:21:10,239
» Oh, I don't know if we're going to dive

2099
01:21:10,239 --> 01:21:13,760
into this again or not, but I think uh

2100
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,360
this is something we've all been

2101
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:17,840
wrestling with for quite some time. As

2102
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,480
I've said, I think we as the council to

2103
01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:23,280
have a a fair bit of responsibility to

2104
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:25,679
take for past,

2105
01:21:25,679 --> 01:21:28,719
you know, lack of action for whatever

2106
01:21:28,719 --> 01:21:31,600
the reason, cost, location, and as we've

2107
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:33,360
heard tonight, there's never a perfect

2108
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,000
solution. You're never going to find

2109
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,640
100% of the people happy with a location

2110
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:42,080
or an idea. But uh I think we have been

2111
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:45,360
hearing a pretty unanimous

2112
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,080
uh message from the public who's

2113
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:50,800
involved with tourism and with downtown

2114
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:53,280
that we need to do something. So it's

2115
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:55,120
going through the process. It's gone to

2116
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:57,840
the cooperative relations. It's going to

2117
01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:59,760
the different departments and things and

2118
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:02,960
professionals and uh as was said by some

2119
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:04,800
people. I mean, I certainly encourage

2120
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:06,639
members of the public if they have ideas

2121
01:22:06,639 --> 01:22:11,120
to engage and submit, but at this time,

2122
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,600
I know how slow things move and I think

2123
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,560
it is prudent to at least continue the

2124
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,480
process and push it to that meeting and

2125
01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:21,360
see what the the committee thinks on it.

2126
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:25,199
So, um, I definitely hear everybody's

2127
01:22:25,199 --> 01:22:28,560
concerns and adjacent property owners,

2128
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:30,480
but at the same time, I do think it's

2129
01:22:30,480 --> 01:22:32,560
prudent to continue moving forward

2130
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:35,360
because I worry if we don't, multiple

2131
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:37,199
more years are going to go by and

2132
01:22:37,199 --> 01:22:38,560
nothing's going to happen and we're

2133
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:40,080
going to have more people who need a

2134
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:41,920
bathroom and we'll be stuck right where

2135
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:43,760
we are now because it's been quite a

2136
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:44,800
while we've been talking about

2137
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:49,040
bathrooms. So, that's my take on it.

2138
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:52,560
We also uh have had uh comments tonight

2139
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:54,400
asking that we probably hold some kind

2140
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,920
of a public meeting in regards to other

2141
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:00,560
sites uh an overall plan for the

2142
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:03,360
downtown area etc etc and I know we've

2143
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:06,800
talked about a tourism uh committee that

2144
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:09,440
can help within those processes.

2145
01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:11,600
Um so I think that uh when do we have

2146
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:13,280
our next cooperative relation?

2147
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:16,550
>> It's January 30th actually. January soon

2148
01:23:16,550 --> 01:23:16,560
» It's January 30th actually. January soon

2149
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:18,310
>> and it'll be here at

2150
01:23:18,310 --> 01:23:18,320
» and it'll be here at

2151
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:18,950
>> Yeah.

2152
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:18,960
» Yeah.

2153
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:20,870
>> So this memo is incorrect. It's not the

2154
01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:20,880
» So this memo is incorrect. It's not the

2155
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:21,679
27th.

2156
01:23:21,679 --> 01:23:24,470
>> Well, it we do have one Jan at the end

2157
01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:24,480
» Well, it we do have one Jan at the end

2158
01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:25,199
of January.

2159
01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:25,669
>> Yeah.

2160
01:23:25,669 --> 01:23:25,679
» Yeah.

2161
01:23:25,679 --> 01:23:27,350
>> So, your honor and members of the

2162
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:27,360
» So, your honor and members of the

2163
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:29,280
council, so the next cooperative

2164
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,440
relations committee meeting will be

2165
01:23:31,440 --> 01:23:33,920
January 30th. Because of the timing of

2166
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:37,199
the last meeting and each body's ability

2167
01:23:37,199 --> 01:23:39,679
to have a discussion about this topic

2168
01:23:39,679 --> 01:23:42,560
and give direction to staff, it wasn't

2169
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,120
it wasn't clear that we would be able to

2170
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:47,280
talk about this particular topic at the

2171
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:49,120
January 30th meeting. We'll provide an

2172
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,520
update, but what was requested of staff

2173
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:54,480
was to develop a cost estimate. That's a

2174
01:23:54,480 --> 01:23:57,040
pretty short turnaround time. So more

2175
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:59,280
than likely a more robust discussion

2176
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:00,880
will take place by the cooperative

2177
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,360
relations committee meeting in February.

2178
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:04,800
There was discussion about it being on

2179
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:06,639
the 27th. This is my fault for putting

2180
01:24:06,639 --> 01:24:09,040
it in the the motion because it hasn't

2181
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:10,639
been set yet. We'll first have a

2182
01:24:10,639 --> 01:24:13,679
discussion on January 30th.

2183
01:24:13,679 --> 01:24:14,229
>> Abby,

2184
01:24:14,229 --> 01:24:14,239
» Abby,

2185
01:24:14,239 --> 01:24:16,709
>> to follow up on that, um we asked for

2186
01:24:16,709 --> 01:24:16,719
» to follow up on that, um we asked for

2187
01:24:16,719 --> 01:24:18,880
updates to be brought back. If a cost

2188
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:21,040
analysis could be a rough cost analysis

2189
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:23,520
could be completed by that meeting, then

2190
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,920
we could talk more in depth of is it

2191
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:29,440
realistic or not before spending more

2192
01:24:29,440 --> 01:24:31,679
time in February working out the details

2193
01:24:31,679 --> 01:24:34,000
between both both governments to bring

2194
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:35,840
back to the prospective bodies. So just

2195
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:37,360
want to clarify on that one.

2196
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,990
>> Thank you. Um and what we're really

2197
01:24:39,990 --> 01:24:40,000
» Thank you. Um and what we're really

2198
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:42,400
asking here that we can use uh CPV

2199
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:44,560
monies to to go through that process and

2200
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,800
I think that's fine. Um, I just want to

2201
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:49,199
make sure that some place staff have the

2202
01:24:49,199 --> 01:24:52,480
ability to put together a public meeting

2203
01:24:52,480 --> 01:24:55,679
uh in regards to through the tourism

2204
01:24:55,679 --> 01:24:58,800
department in regards to um other sites

2205
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:01,199
and other issues and mobile bathrooms

2206
01:25:01,199 --> 01:25:02,880
etc in the downtown area and have a

2207
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,760
larger discussion about that. Ken Lee

2208
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:06,880
then Riley

2209
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:08,629
>> I don't think there was a second.

2210
01:25:08,629 --> 01:25:08,639
» I don't think there was a second.

2211
01:25:08,639 --> 01:25:11,510
>> Yes,

2212
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:11,520
» Yes,

2213
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:15,600
I'm sorry. I just wanted to clarify.

2214
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,229
>> I do when I looked at this the I did

2215
01:25:18,229 --> 01:25:18,239
» I do when I looked at this the I did

2216
01:25:18,239 --> 01:25:21,920
have I see I see that I thought the spot

2217
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:25,360
by the New York was problematic myself.

2218
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:28,159
Um I think having a meeting with the

2219
01:25:28,159 --> 01:25:31,920
people in the area would be good. Um,

2220
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:34,560
honestly, I think

2221
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:37,280
what I see when I I mean I and I haven't

2222
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:40,880
been down in a while, but I think the

2223
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:43,120
something within the near the dollar's

2224
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:45,840
house would be more

2225
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:48,000
um but I also see the option of

2226
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,040
something further down um to get people

2227
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:57,040
moving into the Salvation Army. Um, but

2228
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,679
I also I think I know that we move slow,

2229
01:25:59,679 --> 01:26:01,840
but at the same time I also think we do

2230
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:04,480
need to get it right. Um, because of the

2231
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:08,239
way that the way the flow is there. It's

2232
01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:10,080
just

2233
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:13,440
um, Creek Street One, I can see that

2234
01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:16,480
being problematic because it has stairs.

2235
01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:19,040
So, people who can't do stairs, you put

2236
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:21,120
an ADA bathroom up there, it's

2237
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:23,360
completely useless to anyone in there

2238
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:28,000
that has mobility issues. Um,

2239
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,320
the number two, I see that actually

2240
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:32,159
being

2241
01:26:32,159 --> 01:26:34,560
a good option except you have the museum

2242
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,120
there. So, I think they're just spacing

2243
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:41,199
them out so they're so further down the

2244
01:26:41,199 --> 01:26:44,400
creek. But I really I see it being very

2245
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:46,320
problematic sticking it between the New

2246
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:49,679
Yorker themselves. So

2247
01:26:49,679 --> 01:26:50,470
>> right

2248
01:26:50,470 --> 01:26:50,480
» right

2249
01:26:50,480 --> 01:26:52,950
>> just to clarify on what we were talking

2250
01:26:52,950 --> 01:26:52,960
» just to clarify on what we were talking

2251
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:56,480
about a minute ago. So this motion says

2252
01:26:56,480 --> 01:26:59,360
that this cost estimates will be brought

2253
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:01,440
back for presentation to the cooperative

2254
01:27:01,440 --> 01:27:04,000
relations committee on in February

2255
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,320
whatever it is 27th or 30th. Just to be

2256
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:07,920
clear because I just heard quite a few

2257
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:10,400
different ideas bounced around. That's

2258
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:12,000
what we're voting on.

2259
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,070
>> We're voting on those direct staff to

2260
01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:14,080
» We're voting on those direct staff to

2261
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:16,080
bring those estimates prepared for the

2262
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:17,440
February meeting. Right.

2263
01:27:17,440 --> 01:27:19,270
>> And we can do meetings in between, but

2264
01:27:19,270 --> 01:27:19,280
» And we can do meetings in between, but

2265
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:20,800
still that's what we want to do if we

2266
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:21,520
process.

2267
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:21,910
>> Okay.

2268
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:21,920
» Okay.

2269
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:23,910
>> Anybody else want to talk to them?

2270
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:23,920
» Anybody else want to talk to them?

2271
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:26,550
>> I'm just very brief. Uh I mean obviously

2272
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:26,560
» I'm just very brief. Uh I mean obviously

2273
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:28,480
the need is clear and Mr. G made a good

2274
01:27:28,480 --> 01:27:29,600
point. We've hashed a lot of this stuff

2275
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:31,360
out already. I'm certainly fine with

2276
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:32,960
getting a cost estimate. I do think the

2277
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:34,400
idea of a public hearing is a very good

2278
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:36,560
one. Uh I I do want to make note of the

2279
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:37,679
fact though that it's very seldom that

2280
01:27:37,679 --> 01:27:39,440
we hear members of the community ask us

2281
01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:41,760
to slow down on anything, reconsider

2282
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:43,360
something. Usually it's very much the

2283
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:45,280
opposite. Why did these things take so

2284
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:47,280
long? Here, uh we've heard several

2285
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:50,320
voices ask us just to take our time and

2286
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:51,840
make this the right approach.

2287
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:54,000
Personally, uh I'm I'm still in favor of

2288
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:55,600
a mobile unit just for the flexibility

2289
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:58,960
that provides. uh especially if having a

2290
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:02,239
mobile unit with some flexibility

2291
01:28:02,239 --> 01:28:05,040
buys us the time that we need to

2292
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:07,040
determine how best to proceed with a

2293
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:08,719
permanent structure. So I'll support

2294
01:28:08,719 --> 01:28:10,000
this motion because I do want to see the

2295
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:12,080
cost estimates and an evaluation of

2296
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:14,159
those sites. U but I do want to make

2297
01:28:14,159 --> 01:28:15,679
note of the fact that we've had several

2298
01:28:15,679 --> 01:28:17,520
members of the community express both in

2299
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,920
person and in correspondence email. I'm

2300
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:21,120
sure some of you have gotten phone calls

2301
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:24,320
as I have. Um, just to make sure that

2302
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:27,199
we, as was mentioned, do this, right?

2303
01:28:27,199 --> 01:28:28,149
>> Yeah. Abby,

2304
01:28:28,149 --> 01:28:28,159
» Yeah. Abby,

2305
01:28:28,159 --> 01:28:29,990
>> I do want to just make clarification

2306
01:28:29,990 --> 01:28:30,000
» I do want to just make clarification

2307
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:33,040
notes. Um, at the And then I have

2308
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:34,480
something prepared to talk to you guys

2309
01:28:34,480 --> 01:28:38,400
about. Um, the 24 Creek Street was the

2310
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:40,800
or 26

2311
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:44,159
that location by Dolly's house. Um,

2312
01:28:44,159 --> 01:28:45,920
that's really the property that the

2313
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,400
cooperative relation had focused on. The

2314
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:51,120
reason we brought in Steman lot was a

2315
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:53,280
temporary

2316
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:57,440
option to help us close the gap because

2317
01:28:57,440 --> 01:28:58,880
we weren't going to be able to build

2318
01:28:58,880 --> 01:28:59,760
something in the next

2319
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:00,709
>> I can't hear you

2320
01:29:00,709 --> 01:29:00,719
» I can't hear you

2321
01:29:00,719 --> 01:29:03,750
>> in the next three to four um months on

2322
01:29:03,750 --> 01:29:03,760
» in the next three to four um months on

2323
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:07,760
on that piece of property. Um so Steman

2324
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:10,320
they when we talked amongst the count uh

2325
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:13,440
the two or community or councils

2326
01:29:13,440 --> 01:29:15,280
assemblies

2327
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:17,600
it was more of Steman being used as a

2328
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:21,280
temporary solution to get it up and

2329
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:26,239
moving something now while we build

2330
01:29:26,239 --> 01:29:28,960
long-term at a potential location on

2331
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:30,320
Creek Street. So that was the

2332
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:32,400
clarification of what why there is two

2333
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:35,760
pieces of property on on that. Um, but I

2334
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:36,960
then prepared something that I would

2335
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:39,280
like to talk about. I gave some examples

2336
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:42,080
to the council members here as well. Um,

2337
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:43,840
first off, I strongly support continuing

2338
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:45,360
moving forward with the restroom project

2339
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:47,600
near 26 Creek Street in cooperation with

2340
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:49,199
Burrow and historic catch can. And this

2341
01:29:49,199 --> 01:29:52,000
is a solid long-term solution and would

2342
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:53,920
provide much neededed restroom access at

2343
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:56,080
one end of our busiest and most visited

2344
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:58,560
attraction. However, this project alone

2345
01:29:58,560 --> 01:29:59,920
will not fully address the restroom

2346
01:29:59,920 --> 01:30:02,320
demand on Creek Street or in downtown.

2347
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:04,480
Creek Street experiences heavy uh

2348
01:30:04,480 --> 01:30:07,199
concentrated food traffic. Relying on a

2349
01:30:07,199 --> 01:30:08,800
single restroom location will continue

2350
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:11,360
to create congestions, long lines, and

2351
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:13,040
accessibility challenges, especially

2352
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:15,199
during peak visitor hours. For that

2353
01:30:15,199 --> 01:30:17,040
reason, I encourage the city to explore

2354
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:19,120
additional restroom options at the

2355
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:21,360
opposite end of Creek Street, such as

2356
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:23,360
restoring property as number two or

2357
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:25,920
number three Creek Street to house uh

2358
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,320
restrooms to provide a balance, improve

2359
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:29,360
visitor [clears throat] flow,

2360
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:30,960
significantly enhancing the overall

2361
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:32,480
experience for both residents and

2362
01:30:32,480 --> 01:30:35,840
visitors. This also could maybe help uh

2363
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:38,960
accelerate the timeline of getting a

2364
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:41,360
restroom open on Creek Street in the

2365
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:44,239
near future while also parallel planning

2366
01:30:44,239 --> 01:30:47,920
phase implementation of other projects

2367
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:52,000
also more projects on a smaller scale uh

2368
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:55,280
or more bathrooms on a smaller scale. Uh

2369
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:56,960
looking beyond Creek is clear that

2370
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:58,639
Katchchan needs a comprehensive master

2371
01:30:58,639 --> 01:31:00,239
plan for public restrooms throughout the

2372
01:31:00,239 --> 01:31:02,639
community with volume volume of guests.

2373
01:31:02,639 --> 01:31:04,239
We welcome each year. Adequate and

2374
01:31:04,239 --> 01:31:05,600
strategically located restroom

2375
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:07,920
facilities are essential infrastructure,

2376
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:09,920
not a luxury. Proper planning will

2377
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:11,920
reduce strain on any one location and

2378
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:13,840
improve sanitation, accessibility, and

2379
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,159
public perception of our downtown. In

2380
01:31:16,159 --> 01:31:18,320
the short term, I also recommend the

2381
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:20,239
council move forward considering a

2382
01:31:20,239 --> 01:31:23,120
container restroom solution to place on

2383
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:25,679
the potential Steman property or other

2384
01:31:25,679 --> 01:31:27,840
identified properties. Installing a

2385
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:29,520
modern container restroom in this

2386
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:31,520
location in any location would help meet

2387
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:33,760
the immediate need of the harbor and

2388
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:35,760
also relieve pressure on surrounding

2389
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:37,360
facilities for our visitors and

2390
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:39,520
residents. Container restrooms are

2391
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:41,840
durable, efficient, can be implemented

2392
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:43,840
far more quickly than traditional

2393
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:46,239
constructions and is movable. I've

2394
01:31:46,239 --> 01:31:47,920
attached several replacement concepts

2395
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:50,639
for the containers uh from Custom

2396
01:31:50,639 --> 01:31:52,639
Container Living, a US-based company in

2397
01:31:52,639 --> 01:31:54,480
Missouri that works with municipalities

2398
01:31:54,480 --> 01:31:56,239
across the country to deliver restrooms

2399
01:31:56,239 --> 01:31:58,480
and housing solutions. These options

2400
01:31:58,480 --> 01:32:00,159
demonstrate how we can address immediate

2401
01:32:00,159 --> 01:32:02,719
needs while long-term projections move

2402
01:32:02,719 --> 01:32:04,239
forward.

2403
01:32:04,239 --> 01:32:07,600
I also put on a base pricing. I know

2404
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:11,040
we've heard a lot of 100,000, 150,000.

2405
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:12,880
As you can see, these are bottles you

2406
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:16,639
can buy off the floor today. Not like if

2407
01:32:16,639 --> 01:32:18,560
you want them to be fancy, you can

2408
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:20,880
pretty much pick whatever you want. But

2409
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:22,480
these are base model. These are the

2410
01:32:22,480 --> 01:32:25,840
prices we're looking at, which is much

2411
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:28,159
less than what we've been presented.

2412
01:32:28,159 --> 01:32:31,120
These can have tanks built in them. They

2413
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:34,560
could be directly plumbed. Um, they come

2414
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:36,719
with everything. They're plugandplay. We

2415
01:32:36,719 --> 01:32:38,239
would just have our staff needing to

2416
01:32:38,239 --> 01:32:43,280
connect to the power, water, and uh

2417
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:45,760
lines. There's various sizes, different

2418
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:49,120
footprints. There's 13footers to maybe

2419
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:50,960
fit in a smaller. There are single

2420
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:54,880
stalls which also um according to other

2421
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:57,920
studies and other m municipalities

2422
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:00,560
help deter the congregation and area in

2423
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:02,719
weight rooms outside the bathrooms or

2424
01:33:02,719 --> 01:33:05,120
outside the stalls. kind of eliminating

2425
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:07,360
that potential risk of somebody going in

2426
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:09,120
there. Um so kind of helps with that

2427
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:12,960
safety um and and things like that. This

2428
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:15,840
is a reputable company. Um you can even

2429
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:18,239
change the facade on the outside if we

2430
01:33:18,239 --> 01:33:21,840
wanted to make it cedar or make it log

2431
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:23,760
cabin or make it look like one of the

2432
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,159
buildings on Creek Street or in that

2433
01:33:26,159 --> 01:33:29,120
area. Uh it's completely customizable. I

2434
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:31,199
mean, we completely decked out a

2435
01:33:31,199 --> 01:33:34,960
40footer down to like the grout inside

2436
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:37,760
and it was still less than $90,000. And

2437
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:40,400
I mean, it was the best of the best and

2438
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:42,480
one of the best. Um, so it's very

2439
01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:44,719
reasonable and that 90,000 gets it here

2440
01:33:44,719 --> 01:33:46,400
to catch can. So, I just want these

2441
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:48,560
options to really be brought forward on

2442
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:50,159
other properties because I think this is

2443
01:33:50,159 --> 01:33:52,960
truly the solution to solve now. They

2444
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:54,880
can move anywhere. If we decide one spot

2445
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:56,880
doesn't work or if somebody says, "Hey,

2446
01:33:56,880 --> 01:33:59,040
this spot might work," they can be

2447
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:01,120
picked up and moved to a new location

2448
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:05,350
and installed.

2449
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:06,320
» Yes.

2450
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:08,629
>> Uh thank you for giving us that, Abby. I

2451
01:34:08,629 --> 01:34:08,639
» Uh thank you for giving us that, Abby. I

2452
01:34:08,639 --> 01:34:10,719
hope that it's uh it's really an

2453
01:34:10,719 --> 01:34:12,080
interesting thing to look at and

2454
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:13,760
something we should pursue. I did have a

2455
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:16,400
question though. I'm missing something.

2456
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:19,120
Uh, and I appreciate the explanation on

2457
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:21,199
the

2458
01:34:21,199 --> 01:34:22,880
what was discussed at the cooperative

2459
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:25,120
relations in regards to more of a

2460
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:27,440
temporary on the Steman with the plan

2461
01:34:27,440 --> 01:34:29,679
being I actually like that plan a lot,

2462
01:34:29,679 --> 01:34:32,239
but I'm for some reason I'm not

2463
01:34:32,239 --> 01:34:34,880
understanding why we would be losing and

2464
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:36,560
I think I'm envisioning the right

2465
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:38,000
property. Could someone explain to me

2466
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:39,520
why we're going to be losing the parking

2467
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:40,880
places? To me, it seems like if we were

2468
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:43,840
to put uh like a temporary conx or

2469
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:46,000
something on that the property that I'm

2470
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:47,840
thinking of, I don't understand why we'd

2471
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:49,199
have to lose parking there. Could

2472
01:34:49,199 --> 01:34:51,040
someone clarify that for me?

2473
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:51,910
>> Yes, Lacy.

2474
01:34:51,910 --> 01:34:51,920
» Yes, Lacy.

2475
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:54,149
>> Um your honor and council member Gas. Um

2476
01:34:54,149 --> 01:34:54,159
» Um your honor and council member Gas. Um

2477
01:34:54,159 --> 01:34:57,679
so, this is a fairly narrow lot with um

2478
01:34:57,679 --> 01:34:59,679
facilities on buildings on either side

2479
01:34:59,679 --> 01:35:02,400
of it. Um and the parking as you come in

2480
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:06,239
is sort of angled. Um, and to exit you

2481
01:35:06,239 --> 01:35:08,480
have to you have a very small car. You

2482
01:35:08,480 --> 01:35:10,159
might be able to turn around within the

2483
01:35:10,159 --> 01:35:12,880
lot and enter the street headon. Most

2484
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:14,960
people end up backing out of that lot.

2485
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:16,880
If you were to put a restroom, even a

2486
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:18,639
temporary one, in there, I don't believe

2487
01:35:18,639 --> 01:35:20,239
you'd even be able to pull cars in

2488
01:35:20,239 --> 01:35:21,920
there. It would completely eliminate the

2489
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:23,840
functionality of parking in that

2490
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:25,679
particular lot. It would not be safe

2491
01:35:25,679 --> 01:35:27,679
either. Even if you could fit, I

2492
01:35:27,679 --> 01:35:29,760
wouldn't want a restroom right in the

2493
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:32,560
back of a parking lot um where people

2494
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:33,920
are coming and going. I think that would

2495
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:36,880
prevent a huge safety issue.

2496
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:39,350
>> Is that a parking lot we manage or just

2497
01:35:39,350 --> 01:35:39,360
» Is that a parking lot we manage or just

2498
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:41,110
>> It's a parking lot that we manage and

2499
01:35:41,110 --> 01:35:41,120
» It's a parking lot that we manage and

2500
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:43,520
it's our lot. So, it's a city-owned

2501
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:45,679
parcel. Um, and just to clarify for the

2502
01:35:45,679 --> 01:35:48,719
council and um anyone interested in this

2503
01:35:48,719 --> 01:35:50,480
particular topic, when the bureau

2504
01:35:50,480 --> 01:35:52,800
requested to have a meeting on this

2505
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:55,600
topic, it was specific to installing

2506
01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:58,800
restrooms on Creek Street because there

2507
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:02,639
wasn't a lot of time or detail. Um, what

2508
01:36:02,639 --> 01:36:04,639
what I directed city staff to do was to

2509
01:36:04,639 --> 01:36:07,280
look at parcels that the city owns in

2510
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:08,960
that area. There's obviously other

2511
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:11,120
options out there. There's a lot of

2512
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:13,360
great ideas, but the lowhanging fruit

2513
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:15,600
and the lowest cost was to look at

2514
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:17,440
parcels that the city already owns that

2515
01:36:17,440 --> 01:36:19,360
are unoccupied. So, that's what we were

2516
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:20,800
looking at in the area. We were also

2517
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:23,840
trying to find um where the need was

2518
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:26,000
because yes, we have the Tongas

2519
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:28,080
Historical Museums in the major public

2520
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:29,679
restroom. We have lose loot. Where are

2521
01:36:29,679 --> 01:36:31,280
there gaps? So that's where we were

2522
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:34,159
trying to locate parcels as well. Um so

2523
01:36:34,159 --> 01:36:36,560
I'm very interested to hear um what what

2524
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:38,320
the Reeves have to say in other

2525
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:40,480
locations. Happy to have public

2526
01:36:40,480 --> 01:36:42,480
meetings, but I can't stress enough that

2527
01:36:42,480 --> 01:36:45,199
what what staff developed just to have

2528
01:36:45,199 --> 01:36:47,600
something to talk about was very

2529
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:49,600
preliminary and very conceptual in

2530
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:51,920
nature. It's not this is what we're

2531
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:53,280
doing. It was just to get the

2532
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:54,719
conversation going between the two

2533
01:36:54,719 --> 01:36:55,840
bodies.

2534
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:57,750
>> So with that, I think we certainly

2535
01:36:57,750 --> 01:36:57,760
» So with that, I think we certainly

2536
01:36:57,760 --> 01:36:59,440
discussed it. We got a motion on the

2537
01:36:59,440 --> 01:37:01,280
floor.

2538
01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:02,800
Please call the RO.

2539
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:04,950
>> Can I clarify something? Yeah. So, with

2540
01:37:04,950 --> 01:37:04,960
» Can I clarify something? Yeah. So, with

2541
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:10,790
this motion, um, if it passes,

2542
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:13,119
this body here in terms of bathrooms in

2543
01:37:13,119 --> 01:37:14,960
general, are we halting and just saying

2544
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:16,719
just go off on these two or are we going

2545
01:37:16,719 --> 01:37:19,440
to continue the movement on our side to

2546
01:37:19,440 --> 01:37:21,520
find overall solutions or a temporary

2547
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:24,159
solution to I think forward.

2548
01:37:24,159 --> 01:37:25,750
>> Okay. So, I don't need to amend this to

2549
01:37:25,750 --> 01:37:25,760
» Okay. So, I don't need to amend this to

2550
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:29,199
say continue. No.

2551
01:37:29,199 --> 01:37:30,880
These are just two that were identified

2552
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:32,480
through cooperative relation. We still

2553
01:37:32,480 --> 01:37:33,440
have bigger issues.

2554
01:37:33,440 --> 01:37:35,030
>> I just wanted to make sure this wasn't

2555
01:37:35,030 --> 01:37:35,040
» I just wanted to make sure this wasn't

2556
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:35,520
going to

2557
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:37,430
>> appreciate that.

2558
01:37:37,430 --> 01:37:37,440
» appreciate that.

2559
01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:39,109
>> You please call the

2560
01:37:39,109 --> 01:37:39,119
» You please call the

2561
01:37:39,119 --> 01:37:39,830
>> Zingi.

2562
01:37:39,830 --> 01:37:39,840
» Zingi.

2563
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:41,590
>> Yes.

2564
01:37:41,590 --> 01:37:41,600
» Yes.

2565
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:43,030
>> Matani.

2566
01:37:43,030 --> 01:37:43,040
» Matani.

2567
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:45,830
>> Bash.

2568
01:37:45,830 --> 01:37:45,840
» Bash.

2569
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:46,550
>> Gas.

2570
01:37:46,550 --> 01:37:46,560
» Gas.

2571
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:47,510
>> Yes.

2572
01:37:47,510 --> 01:37:47,520
» Yes.

2573
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:48,229
>> Finnegan.

2574
01:37:48,229 --> 01:37:48,239
» Finnegan.

2575
01:37:48,239 --> 01:37:48,870
>> Yes.

2576
01:37:48,870 --> 01:37:48,880
» Yes.

2577
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:49,510
>> Redberry.

2578
01:37:49,510 --> 01:37:49,520
» Redberry.

2579
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:50,070
>> Yes.

2580
01:37:50,070 --> 01:37:50,080
» Yes.

2581
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:51,030
>> Gage.

2582
01:37:51,030 --> 01:37:51,040
» Gage.

2583
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:52,470
>> Yes.

2584
01:37:52,470 --> 01:37:52,480
» Yes.

2585
01:37:52,480 --> 01:37:55,669
>> M.

2586
01:37:55,679 --> 01:37:57,440
» Thanks. That passes your

2587
01:37:57,440 --> 01:37:59,830
>> Thank you. Brings us to item E, agenda

2588
01:37:59,830 --> 01:37:59,840
» Thank you. Brings us to item E, agenda

2589
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:02,639
item requests ordinance for submitting

2590
01:38:02,639 --> 01:38:05,280
budget documents to the city council,

2591
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:08,800
Bradbury and Zingi. Do I have a motion?

2592
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:10,390
>> I move the city council direct acting

2593
01:38:10,390 --> 01:38:10,400
» I move the city council direct acting

2594
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:12,400
city manager to take such action as

2595
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:13,760
deemed to approve the guardian

2596
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:15,520
establishing with the proposed budget

2597
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:16,320
submitted [clears throat] to the city

2598
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:17,679
council.

2599
01:38:17,679 --> 01:38:20,470
>> Is there a second?

2600
01:38:20,470 --> 01:38:20,480
» Is there a second?

2601
01:38:20,480 --> 01:38:21,189
>> Second.

2602
01:38:21,189 --> 01:38:21,199
» Second.

2603
01:38:21,199 --> 01:38:23,030
>> It's been moved and seconded. What do we

2604
01:38:23,030 --> 01:38:23,040
» It's been moved and seconded. What do we

2605
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:26,960
have here, Amy? Uh so just brief um

2606
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:30,639
brief comments real quick. Uh I also

2607
01:38:30,639 --> 01:38:32,320
want to just preference I'm open to any

2608
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:36,880
suggestion but the way things I just

2609
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:38,320
I would like to highlight the value of

2610
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:39,840
receiving the proposed budget well in

2611
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:42,320
advance of the first budget session. I

2612
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:43,600
understand that this year we implemented

2613
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:44,880
a new program and that the learning

2614
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:46,400
curve associated with that change

2615
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:48,480
contributed to some delay. I appreciate

2616
01:38:48,480 --> 01:38:50,159
the effort staff has put into adapting

2617
01:38:50,159 --> 01:38:52,000
to the new system and moving the process

2618
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:54,960
forward. Having adequate time to review

2619
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:56,800
review the budget allows council members

2620
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:58,159
to fully understand the information

2621
01:38:58,159 --> 01:39:00,320
presented. Ask thoughtful questions.

2622
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:02,639
Engage in meaningful discussion. This

2623
01:39:02,639 --> 01:39:05,360
preparation supports our shared goal of

2624
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:06,960
developing a balanced and responsible

2625
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:08,560
budget that reflects the priorities of

2626
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:11,040
the citizens who elect us. It's also

2627
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:12,719
important to recognize that many council

2628
01:39:12,719 --> 01:39:14,800
council members balance their council

2629
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:16,880
responsibilities with full-time jobs,

2630
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:18,159
family commitments, and other

2631
01:39:18,159 --> 01:39:20,719
obligations. Additional review time

2632
01:39:20,719 --> 01:39:22,400
helps ensure that everyone has a fair

2633
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:24,239
and reasonable opportunity to carefully

2634
01:39:24,239 --> 01:39:26,239
read the budget and come prepared with

2635
01:39:26,239 --> 01:39:29,040
informed questions and options. I also

2636
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:30,400
understand that changes may come down

2637
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:32,000
the line during the budget meetings as

2638
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:34,239
we just saw as needed and that the

2639
01:39:34,239 --> 01:39:36,400
budget is an involving document. Having

2640
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:38,400
more time though to review the initial

2641
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:40,560
proposal gives us a stronger foundation

2642
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:42,800
to thoughtfully evaluate and respond to

2643
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:45,360
the changes when they do arise. Early

2644
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:47,040
access to the budget provides an

2645
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:48,880
opportunity to work collaboratively with

2646
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:51,440
staff ahead of time to clarify details,

2647
01:39:51,440 --> 01:39:53,679
meet with them, learn the systems, and

2648
01:39:53,679 --> 01:39:56,080
gather additional information. This

2649
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:57,840
helps streamlines the budget sessions,

2650
01:39:57,840 --> 01:40:00,000
reducing last minute questions, and for

2651
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:02,080
me, keeping discussions focused and

2652
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:04,639
productive. Allowing sufficient review

2653
01:40:04,639 --> 01:40:06,239
time benefits everyone involved and

2654
01:40:06,239 --> 01:40:07,920
improves efficiency, supports staff by

2655
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:09,520
addressing questions proactively, and

2656
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:10,880
enables council members to make

2657
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:14,400
thoughtful and wellinformed decisions.

2658
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:17,280
It also provides u transparency,

2659
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:18,880
collaboration, and confidence in the

2660
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:20,719
budget process, ultimately helping us

2661
01:40:20,719 --> 01:40:24,080
serve our community more effectively.

2662
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:24,709
>> Thank you.

2663
01:40:24,709 --> 01:40:24,719
» Thank you.

2664
01:40:24,719 --> 01:40:25,669
>> Yeah.

2665
01:40:25,669 --> 01:40:25,679
» Yeah.

2666
01:40:25,679 --> 01:40:28,229
>> Yes, I agree with this motion and I'll

2667
01:40:28,229 --> 01:40:28,239
» Yes, I agree with this motion and I'll

2668
01:40:28,239 --> 01:40:32,080
support this motion. As you know and we

2669
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:36,400
know this turn turn around when we were

2670
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:38,639
presented the budget, it was way

2671
01:40:38,639 --> 01:40:40,639
different from years past. It was more

2672
01:40:40,639 --> 01:40:43,440
complicated in referring from one page

2673
01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:45,760
to the other from the front to the back.

2674
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:48,320
So if we are presented with a budget

2675
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:51,600
earlier, it'll be easier for us to work

2676
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:53,600
through the budget.

2677
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:54,960
Judy,

2678
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:57,430
>> um, you know, I agree to add my aim to

2679
01:40:57,430 --> 01:40:57,440
» um, you know, I agree to add my aim to

2680
01:40:57,440 --> 01:40:59,760
this because I think that anytime we

2681
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:01,440
need to discuss something, everybody

2682
01:41:01,440 --> 01:41:03,360
should have the right to do it. I don't

2683
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:05,760
think there was any, and I'm pretty sure

2684
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:07,360
you're not suggesting that there was any

2685
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:09,920
maliciousness in terms of us not getting

2686
01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:12,239
this on time. There was a lot of things

2687
01:41:12,239 --> 01:41:14,639
that came into play and that is why we

2688
01:41:14,639 --> 01:41:17,520
got it late. In years gone by, we've

2689
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:21,199
received our budget on time. Um, I think

2690
01:41:21,199 --> 01:41:23,440
that, you know, if you want to change

2691
01:41:23,440 --> 01:41:27,119
the policy, okay, but I don't see the

2692
01:41:27,119 --> 01:41:29,600
need to to change and write an ordinance

2693
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:32,719
right now. I just don't. I think that

2694
01:41:32,719 --> 01:41:34,880
everybody works really hard, especially

2695
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:38,080
our staff to bring us this. Um, yeah,

2696
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:39,679
there was a lot. I mean, it's a new

2697
01:41:39,679 --> 01:41:42,239
software program. It it took us all, you

2698
01:41:42,239 --> 01:41:44,320
know, a lot of time to figure it out.

2699
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:47,360
Um, I'm sure it took the staff equally

2700
01:41:47,360 --> 01:41:50,159
that amount of time. So, I think that,

2701
01:41:50,159 --> 01:41:51,360
you know, if you want to change the

2702
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:52,880
policy

2703
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:55,920
um this year, okay, and then see how

2704
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:58,639
that works for next year and not, you

2705
01:41:58,639 --> 01:42:01,679
know, not go in and and I don't think an

2706
01:42:01,679 --> 01:42:04,239
ordinance is necessary, but that's just

2707
01:42:04,239 --> 01:42:06,400
me.

2708
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:09,669
>> Lacy,

2709
01:42:09,679 --> 01:42:11,920
» Riley had a question.

2710
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:13,590
>> Oh, go ahead. Just a comment.

2711
01:42:13,590 --> 01:42:13,600
» Oh, go ahead. Just a comment.

2712
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:14,790
>> Okay.

2713
01:42:14,790 --> 01:42:14,800
» Okay.

2714
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:17,990
>> Go ahead. Uh, I guess [laughter]

2715
01:42:17,990 --> 01:42:18,000
» Go ahead. Uh, I guess [laughter]

2716
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,080
I would kind of agree with Judy in

2717
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:23,199
general, but uh,

2718
01:42:23,199 --> 01:42:25,199
not to get into any specifics, but we've

2719
01:42:25,199 --> 01:42:27,679
kind of been on an ordinance train

2720
01:42:27,679 --> 01:42:29,679
lately, and I think it's only fair that

2721
01:42:29,679 --> 01:42:32,159
if certain members who maybe weren't on

2722
01:42:32,159 --> 01:42:35,280
that train before want to do ordinances,

2723
01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:36,800
we've kind of set the precedent. So,

2724
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:39,920
I'll support it.

2725
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:43,350
>> Please, go ahead, Abby. I do agree with

2726
01:42:43,350 --> 01:42:43,360
» Please, go ahead, Abby. I do agree with

2727
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:46,400
the policy changing the policy in first

2728
01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:47,920
instead of an ordinance. That's why I

2729
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:50,239
stated at the beginning I'm open to

2730
01:42:50,239 --> 01:42:55,189
changes. I just

2731
01:42:55,199 --> 01:42:58,960
what staff and others may deem adequate

2732
01:42:58,960 --> 01:43:03,119
time to review thousands of pages um

2733
01:43:03,119 --> 01:43:05,840
maybe isn't for everyone at the table.

2734
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:07,840
And so I just if it's a policy maybe

2735
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:10,080
just adding a little bit of time knowing

2736
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:12,159
no matter what it's always it always

2737
01:43:12,159 --> 01:43:13,679
change look at I mean look at it

2738
01:43:13,679 --> 01:43:15,760
throughout the process just being able

2739
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:18,880
to get the base

2740
01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:21,199
info just of like just starting to look

2741
01:43:21,199 --> 01:43:24,159
through the numbers earlier than later

2742
01:43:24,159 --> 01:43:26,239
and then as changes come that's that's

2743
01:43:26,239 --> 01:43:29,600
all I'm trying to get however the best

2744
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:32,880
way is but I just I I personally I'm

2745
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:34,239
hopefully sitting here for another two

2746
01:43:34,239 --> 01:43:36,719
years I need it sooner.

2747
01:43:36,719 --> 01:43:38,320
to start.

2748
01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:39,350
>> Yeah.

2749
01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:39,360
» Yeah.

2750
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:41,430
>> Thank you, honor. Yeah, I'm I'm eager to

2751
01:43:41,430 --> 01:43:41,440
» Thank you, honor. Yeah, I'm I'm eager to

2752
01:43:41,440 --> 01:43:42,800
get the information as quickly as

2753
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:44,080
possible so that as much time can be

2754
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:45,199
spent as possible either asking

2755
01:43:45,199 --> 01:43:46,560
questions or comparing numbers or

2756
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:49,679
looking at previous budgets. Um I I did

2757
01:43:49,679 --> 01:43:52,800
um I do like the uh suggestion that was

2758
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:55,440
profered by staff with regard to kind of

2759
01:43:55,440 --> 01:43:58,080
a compromise instead of having a 21-day

2760
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:02,000
or fix however it was worded. um that

2761
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:04,639
that deadline uh rather than a 21-day

2762
01:44:04,639 --> 01:44:06,560
date 21 days before the first budget

2763
01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:10,080
hearing uh having it um I can't find it

2764
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:13,119
now. Uh I think it was by the time of

2765
01:44:13,119 --> 01:44:14,480
the first November meeting. Was that was

2766
01:44:14,480 --> 01:44:15,679
that what was suggested in the

2767
01:44:15,679 --> 01:44:18,560
memorandum? And I what I'm what I'm I'm

2768
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:19,760
eager to get the information as quickly

2769
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:21,119
as possible, but I don't want to do is

2770
01:44:21,119 --> 01:44:23,440
put additional staff uh additional

2771
01:44:23,440 --> 01:44:25,360
pressure on the staff to complete this

2772
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:27,280
enormously complex document when they're

2773
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:28,719
already up against a pretty significant

2774
01:44:28,719 --> 01:44:30,560
deadline.

2775
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:31,679
Lacy.

2776
01:44:31,679 --> 01:44:33,910
>> Um, your honor, members of the council.

2777
01:44:33,910 --> 01:44:33,920
» Um, your honor, members of the council.

2778
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:37,440
So, um, no, I I fully concur that this

2779
01:44:37,440 --> 01:44:39,119
that the city council needs as much time

2780
01:44:39,119 --> 01:44:41,280
as possible to process the budget. I

2781
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:43,760
recognize that it is a weighty and

2782
01:44:43,760 --> 01:44:46,480
complex document. Um, but as council

2783
01:44:46,480 --> 01:44:48,880
member Zangi said, historically staff

2784
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:52,159
has met um a totally arbitrary deadline,

2785
01:44:52,159 --> 01:44:53,360
just one that I think we put in

2786
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:54,880
practice, which is usually to get it to

2787
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:56,960
the council by that first meeting in

2788
01:44:56,960 --> 01:44:58,719
November. this year for all the reasons

2789
01:44:58,719 --> 01:45:00,400
that we've discussed that wasn't

2790
01:45:00,400 --> 01:45:03,280
possible. Um I do want to add though um

2791
01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:06,400
which I included in my my memo that we

2792
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:08,480
work this year and every year been

2793
01:45:08,480 --> 01:45:10,639
compliant with the city charter which is

2794
01:45:10,639 --> 01:45:12,880
the one thing that exists currently

2795
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:14,880
which speaks to the timing that the

2796
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:16,639
council must receive that budget for its

2797
01:45:16,639 --> 01:45:18,880
deliberative purposes. Um so that

2798
01:45:18,880 --> 01:45:20,639
specifies five weeks prior to the start

2799
01:45:20,639 --> 01:45:22,400
of the next fiscal year. So so we met

2800
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:23,920
that. I get that that's not enough time

2801
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:26,159
but we met that. Um so [clears throat]

2802
01:45:26,159 --> 01:45:28,719
as as council member Finnean had just uh

2803
01:45:28,719 --> 01:45:30,800
discussed my recommendation rather than

2804
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:33,199
to create an ordinance um that specifies

2805
01:45:33,199 --> 01:45:35,199
a number of days which is highly

2806
01:45:35,199 --> 01:45:36,960
variable based on when the council wants

2807
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:39,679
to start its budget process um just to

2808
01:45:39,679 --> 01:45:42,000
pick again that first regular meeting in

2809
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:44,080
November which historically is when we

2810
01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:46,159
provided the budget which I think again

2811
01:45:46,159 --> 01:45:48,320
has provided adequate time for council

2812
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:50,880
review in previous years. Um, but that

2813
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:52,159
could be advanced. That's why we're

2814
01:45:52,159 --> 01:45:53,360
having the discussion. But it seemed

2815
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:55,360
that putting in policy rather than

2816
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:57,119
ordinance might be the best way to

2817
01:45:57,119 --> 01:45:58,719
start.

2818
01:45:58,719 --> 01:46:02,733
>> Michelle, do you have anything to offer?

2819
01:46:02,733 --> 01:46:02,743
» Michelle, do you have anything to offer?

2820
01:46:02,743 --> 01:46:07,189
[laughter]

2821
01:46:07,199 --> 01:46:08,800
» Your honor, thank you for the

2822
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:12,480
opportunity to comment. Um, I I think

2823
01:46:12,480 --> 01:46:14,639
that

2824
01:46:14,639 --> 01:46:16,719
there there are things that maybe the

2825
01:46:16,719 --> 01:46:19,199
council doesn't realize. There are a lot

2826
01:46:19,199 --> 01:46:21,360
of hours that are put into but every

2827
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:24,560
department puts into providing a budget

2828
01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:28,480
to the council and then and and yes this

2829
01:46:28,480 --> 01:46:30,960
year and even last year. Last year we

2830
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:32,320
were dealing with a landslide that

2831
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:35,280
happened right before the c the each

2832
01:46:35,280 --> 01:46:37,679
department had to submit their budget.

2833
01:46:37,679 --> 01:46:40,719
So there was that and then the

2834
01:46:40,719 --> 01:46:42,480
engineering department which was a

2835
01:46:42,480 --> 01:46:46,000
significant share of every department

2836
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:48,159
that goes to our engineering department

2837
01:46:48,159 --> 01:46:51,440
to help with those capital projects

2838
01:46:51,440 --> 01:46:55,119
estimates. Um

2839
01:46:55,119 --> 01:46:58,639
they were weeks behind and then each

2840
01:46:58,639 --> 01:47:01,280
department then was weeks behind. So

2841
01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:04,550
it's it was [laughter]

2842
01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:07,920
there are significant

2843
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:11,520
issues and I will remind the council we

2844
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:14,719
brought you a capital project budget in

2845
01:47:14,719 --> 01:47:17,520
July. The only thing that was different

2846
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:20,480
we gave you an agenda item that said

2847
01:47:20,480 --> 01:47:23,679
here's what changed from July to the

2848
01:47:23,679 --> 01:47:27,280
final budget. And

2849
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:29,679
so then it was just the operating budget

2850
01:47:29,679 --> 01:47:32,880
that was new in November. And yes, it

2851
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:36,480
was it was later than usual, but it

2852
01:47:36,480 --> 01:47:39,199
shouldn't have been totally foreign

2853
01:47:39,199 --> 01:47:41,600
because we had given you the capital

2854
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:46,000
project budget. So um that in addition

2855
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:51,360
to um we for personnel, it wasn't just

2856
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:54,320
one little thing. it has to be put into

2857
01:47:54,320 --> 01:47:56,800
this from here to here. It was every

2858
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:58,560
collective bargaining agreement, every

2859
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:01,199
employee that had to be added. Um, all

2860
01:48:01,199 --> 01:48:03,280
the little nuances trying to make sure

2861
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:05,440
that we're budgeting appropriately for

2862
01:48:05,440 --> 01:48:08,639
each staff, what those wages should be.

2863
01:48:08,639 --> 01:48:10,960
Are there other there additional factors

2864
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:13,360
for each person, their overtime, their

2865
01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:15,920
their um what they what kind of pay they

2866
01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:20,239
get, any differentials? Um, so there's

2867
01:48:20,239 --> 01:48:22,719
health insurance, there's employees that

2868
01:48:22,719 --> 01:48:26,320
are 50/50. I mean, and that's just a tip

2869
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:29,119
of the iceberg just for personnel. Then

2870
01:48:29,119 --> 01:48:32,080
there's every department and making sure

2871
01:48:32,080 --> 01:48:35,040
that all of the budgets from the 2024

2872
01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:38,639
budget got put in there. It was was not

2873
01:48:38,639 --> 01:48:42,000
a small task. And so my point is, yes,

2874
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:44,080
our goal is to get you that budget as

2875
01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:45,920
soon as possible. It's usually the first

2876
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:48,320
week, the first meeting in November. And

2877
01:48:48,320 --> 01:48:50,639
that is always our goal. We don't want

2878
01:48:50,639 --> 01:48:54,239
you to not have a document to review. We

2879
01:48:54,239 --> 01:48:57,119
want to give that to you. So it it is

2880
01:48:57,119 --> 01:48:59,040
our full intention to make sure that

2881
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:02,000
next year it's done quicker and faster.

2882
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:04,159
And we we fully think that that will

2883
01:49:04,159 --> 01:49:06,000
happen with this budgeting software. We

2884
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:10,080
think that that can happen. Um, so,

2885
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:15,199
um, to put something a to me a a policy

2886
01:49:15,199 --> 01:49:17,040
in place

2887
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:20,320
that doesn't take into consideration the

2888
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:24,480
time that it takes to

2889
01:49:24,480 --> 01:49:27,119
to perform and and make sure that you

2890
01:49:27,119 --> 01:49:29,760
have a document. You can tell me that I

2891
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:32,400
need to have this to you earlier. What's

2892
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:34,560
going to end up happening?

2893
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:37,360
What I see, what I envision is I'm gonna

2894
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:39,119
get multiple requests and I'm gonna have

2895
01:49:39,119 --> 01:49:41,920
to bring you I don't know how many how

2896
01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:43,679
many updates do we have this year? How

2897
01:49:43,679 --> 01:49:45,600
many more updates? Because staff still

2898
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:47,679
has to put that together that to give to

2899
01:49:47,679 --> 01:49:49,440
us to give to you and if anything

2900
01:49:49,440 --> 01:49:51,119
changes from the date we give it to you,

2901
01:49:51,119 --> 01:49:53,600
it's a budget update. So, just keep that

2902
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:57,760
in mind that um that even though we can

2903
01:49:57,760 --> 01:49:59,440
pro we could provide it to you earlier

2904
01:49:59,440 --> 01:50:01,040
that those estimates aren't going to be

2905
01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:03,840
as good possibly and then we're going to

2906
01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:05,600
have more revisions to the budget

2907
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:08,960
document. So,

2908
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:10,550
>> there's a balance, right? You're going

2909
01:50:10,550 --> 01:50:10,560
» there's a balance, right? You're going

2910
01:50:10,560 --> 01:50:12,960
to give and take and and we can give it

2911
01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:15,040
to you earlier. It just might not be as

2912
01:50:15,040 --> 01:50:18,000
good. And if you don't like some of the

2913
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:21,360
estimates that are provided right now,

2914
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:24,880
then it's going to be not

2915
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:27,360
there's going to be more fluidity in

2916
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:30,560
those numbers and maybe not as accurate.

2917
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:32,159
So

2918
01:50:32,159 --> 01:50:36,080
I think I have said enough. [laughter]

2919
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:37,830
>> I'm not here to get in an argument or

2920
01:50:37,830 --> 01:50:37,840
» I'm not here to get in an argument or

2921
01:50:37,840 --> 01:50:40,639
anything. Uh I'm here for the citizens.

2922
01:50:40,639 --> 01:50:42,800
That's who put me here. I'm that's my

2923
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:45,520
ultimate person that I answer to.

2924
01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:47,590
>> On average, I went back for the last 10

2925
01:50:47,590 --> 01:50:47,600
» On average, I went back for the last 10

2926
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:50,719
years. We've gotten the budget

2927
01:50:50,719 --> 01:50:53,840
at the shortest time was 17 days before

2928
01:50:53,840 --> 01:50:55,679
the first budget meeting except for this

2929
01:50:55,679 --> 01:50:59,600
year. I'm only asking for three to four

2930
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:02,080
more days. That's literally I I'm

2931
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:04,080
literally only asking for a few more

2932
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:06,320
days that we could get the budget

2933
01:51:06,320 --> 01:51:08,320
earlier. I'm not asking for weeks and

2934
01:51:08,320 --> 01:51:11,360
weeks and weeks. just a few more days,

2935
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:14,080
maybe we could come to an agreement of,

2936
01:51:14,080 --> 01:51:17,280
you know, policy is by November 1st or

2937
01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:19,840
the first

2938
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:22,719
business day, first business day of

2939
01:51:22,719 --> 01:51:24,560
November because if it falls on a

2940
01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:26,800
Saturday, that's not fair. Um, but we

2941
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:28,639
could do something of that nature. I'm

2942
01:51:28,639 --> 01:51:31,199
just on average it's been 17. I'm only

2943
01:51:31,199 --> 01:51:33,920
asking for a few more extra days to

2944
01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:36,159
allow us to make sure we're I'm not

2945
01:51:36,159 --> 01:51:41,109
asking for time. So,

2946
01:51:41,119 --> 01:51:43,280
» you know, I think that if we set a

2947
01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:46,960
deadline of the first meeting in

2948
01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:49,119
November

2949
01:51:49,119 --> 01:51:52,560
as as what we're looking for in policy

2950
01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:54,639
um and then if we get it earlier, more

2951
01:51:54,639 --> 01:51:57,520
better for us, right? And I think that

2952
01:51:57,520 --> 01:52:00,400
staff understands that uh from the

2953
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:01,760
conversations we're having here right

2954
01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:02,800
now. That's

2955
01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:03,990
>> I just want to take note that would make

2956
01:52:03,990 --> 01:52:04,000
» I just want to take note that would make

2957
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:06,560
it 12 days.

2958
01:52:06,560 --> 01:52:09,360
So, only 12 days for review. If you look

2959
01:52:09,360 --> 01:52:13,440
at if you always do the first meeting,

2960
01:52:13,440 --> 01:52:16,480
it would time that you get the budget's

2961
01:52:16,480 --> 01:52:17,520
going to fluctuate.

2962
01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:20,709
>> We normally do it. No,

2963
01:52:20,709 --> 01:52:20,719
» We normally do it. No,

2964
01:52:20,719 --> 01:52:22,870
>> it moves. So, it's not the staff doesn't

2965
01:52:22,870 --> 01:52:22,880
» it moves. So, it's not the staff doesn't

2966
01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:25,440
dictate that. The calendar does. So

2967
01:52:25,440 --> 01:52:26,880
that's the only reason I wanted to get a

2968
01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:29,679
more standard date versus the first

2969
01:52:29,679 --> 01:52:31,280
meeting because the first meeting could

2970
01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:33,760
actually be

2971
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:36,560
November 7th or 8th which if the first

2972
01:52:36,560 --> 01:52:40,080
meeting on average is the week of

2973
01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:40,629
>> Thanksgiving

2974
01:52:40,629 --> 01:52:40,639
» Thanksgiving

2975
01:52:40,639 --> 01:52:42,629
>> actually the 5th but

2976
01:52:42,629 --> 01:52:42,639
» actually the 5th but

2977
01:52:42,639 --> 01:52:45,189
>> well next year I'm saying

2978
01:52:45,189 --> 01:52:45,199
» well next year I'm saying

2979
01:52:45,199 --> 01:52:48,229
>> the policy stays and so it moves

2980
01:52:48,229 --> 01:52:48,239
» the policy stays and so it moves

2981
01:52:48,239 --> 01:52:49,990
>> and I I was looking at the budget

2982
01:52:49,990 --> 01:52:50,000
» and I I was looking at the budget

2983
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:53,199
meetings for next year and actually

2984
01:52:53,199 --> 01:52:55,360
we could actually do two in November the

2985
01:52:55,360 --> 01:52:58,080
23rd and the 30th which is the 20 is

2986
01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:00,159
before Thanksgiving. It's just how

2987
01:53:00,159 --> 01:53:03,520
December and all the days move because

2988
01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:05,599
the adoption date is the 17th this year

2989
01:53:05,599 --> 01:53:08,239
instead of the 18th. So everything kind

2990
01:53:08,239 --> 01:53:11,520
of moves forward a little bit.

2991
01:53:11,520 --> 01:53:12,000
I just

2992
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:13,830
>> I'm just asking for a few more days than

2993
01:53:13,830 --> 01:53:13,840
» I'm just asking for a few more days than

2994
01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:16,480
what's normal. So

2995
01:53:16,480 --> 01:53:21,270
>> any other comments?

2996
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:24,560
» So I have a question. Yeah.

2997
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:26,629
>> Are we voting on a policy or are we

2998
01:53:26,629 --> 01:53:26,639
» Are we voting on a policy or are we

2999
01:53:26,639 --> 01:53:28,320
voting on an ordinance?

3000
01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:29,990
>> Just says direction. Direction

3001
01:53:29,990 --> 01:53:30,000
» Just says direction. Direction

3002
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:30,639
direction.

3003
01:53:30,639 --> 01:53:31,350
>> Yeah.

3004
01:53:31,350 --> 01:53:31,360
» Yeah.

3005
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:33,430
>> I

3006
01:53:33,430 --> 01:53:33,440
» I

3007
01:53:33,440 --> 01:53:37,679
I think um policy. I mean I I think the

3008
01:53:37,679 --> 01:53:42,000
manager um you know the ex the 10 days I

3009
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:45,280
think that's reasonable. I I've never I

3010
01:53:45,280 --> 01:53:48,000
new programs are always funky and always

3011
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:50,480
screw everybody up. And to be honest

3012
01:53:50,480 --> 01:53:52,719
with you, um,

3013
01:53:52,719 --> 01:53:56,000
coming in after an election, and I mean,

3014
01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:58,719
not that I haven't been here before, but

3015
01:53:58,719 --> 01:54:02,960
if I look back to when I first in 2015,

3016
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:05,199
I was thrown to the wolves. And

3017
01:54:05,199 --> 01:54:08,000
honestly, this compared to how we used

3018
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:11,440
to do it and how this hole was how it

3019
01:54:11,440 --> 01:54:14,400
got set up in the last few years, I find

3020
01:54:14,400 --> 01:54:18,639
the budget a lot easier to look through.

3021
01:54:18,639 --> 01:54:22,320
I get um wanting a few more extra days.

3022
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:25,599
I think uh if staff can get that great,

3023
01:54:25,599 --> 01:54:28,239
but I prefer to have the best numbers

3024
01:54:28,239 --> 01:54:30,159
possible at the get, you know, from the

3025
01:54:30,159 --> 01:54:33,040
get-go versus having to have budget

3026
01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:33,599
updates.

3027
01:54:33,599 --> 01:54:35,669
>> You want to amend the motion then to

3028
01:54:35,669 --> 01:54:35,679
» You want to amend the motion then to

3029
01:54:35,679 --> 01:54:37,679
give direction.

3030
01:54:37,679 --> 01:54:39,280
Yeah.

3031
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:41,440
To have the policy updated to the

3032
01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:44,149
>> just have the policy. Yeah.

3033
01:54:44,149 --> 01:54:44,159
» just have the policy. Yeah.

3034
01:54:44,159 --> 01:54:45,109
>> First

3035
01:54:45,109 --> 01:54:45,119
» First

3036
01:54:45,119 --> 01:54:46,629
>> first

3037
01:54:46,629 --> 01:54:46,639
» first

3038
01:54:46,639 --> 01:54:49,360
business day. the first

3039
01:54:49,360 --> 01:54:50,790
>> first business date.

3040
01:54:50,790 --> 01:54:50,800
» first business date.

3041
01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:52,149
>> Well, yes, because I want to make sure

3042
01:54:52,149 --> 01:54:52,159
» Well, yes, because I want to make sure

3043
01:54:52,159 --> 01:54:53,119
it's not

3044
01:54:53,119 --> 01:54:53,830
>> Yeah.

3045
01:54:53,830 --> 01:54:53,840
» Yeah.

3046
01:54:53,840 --> 01:54:55,589
>> Yeah.

3047
01:54:55,589 --> 01:54:55,599
» Yeah.

3048
01:54:55,599 --> 01:54:57,430
>> Which it would then always change every

3049
01:54:57,430 --> 01:54:57,440
» Which it would then always change every

3050
01:54:57,440 --> 01:54:57,840
year,

3051
01:54:57,840 --> 01:54:59,430
>> right?

3052
01:54:59,430 --> 01:54:59,440
» right?

3053
01:54:59,440 --> 01:55:01,189
>> And next year it'll be the second of

3054
01:55:01,189 --> 01:55:01,199
» And next year it'll be the second of

3055
01:55:01,199 --> 01:55:02,480
November.

3056
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:09,430
>> Correct. Yeah.

3057
01:55:09,440 --> 01:55:11,920
» And just said it in policy and not in

3058
01:55:11,920 --> 01:55:13,679
ordinance at this time.

3059
01:55:13,679 --> 01:55:17,189
>> Ordinance. Is that a Are you making a

3060
01:55:17,189 --> 01:55:17,199
» Ordinance. Is that a Are you making a

3061
01:55:17,199 --> 01:55:18,320
motion then?

3062
01:55:18,320 --> 01:55:18,790
>> Yeah.

3063
01:55:18,790 --> 01:55:18,800
» Yeah.

3064
01:55:18,800 --> 01:55:24,550
>> And who would like to second?

3065
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:28,229
» Any other discussion

3066
01:55:28,239 --> 01:55:32,480
» hearing? Seeing none, please call the

3067
01:55:32,480 --> 01:55:33,280
on the

3068
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:35,830
>> amendment. This is amending for the

3069
01:55:35,830 --> 01:55:35,840
» amendment. This is amending for the

3070
01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:37,440
direction. It'll be the main motion

3071
01:55:37,440 --> 01:55:40,080
because the it was just direction. So

3072
01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:43,760
the director to staff will be updating

3073
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:46,080
the policy to the first business day of

3074
01:55:46,080 --> 01:55:49,589
November.

3075
01:55:49,599 --> 01:55:50,320
» Matani,

3076
01:55:50,320 --> 01:55:51,510
>> yes.

3077
01:55:51,510 --> 01:55:51,520
» yes.

3078
01:55:51,520 --> 01:55:54,550
>> Cuz absent.

3079
01:55:54,550 --> 01:55:54,560
» Cuz absent.

3080
01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:55,350
>> Zingi,

3081
01:55:55,350 --> 01:55:55,360
» Zingi,

3082
01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:56,629
>> yes.

3083
01:55:56,629 --> 01:55:56,639
» yes.

3084
01:55:56,639 --> 01:55:57,350
>> Gage,

3085
01:55:57,350 --> 01:55:57,360
» Gage,

3086
01:55:57,360 --> 01:55:57,990
>> yes.

3087
01:55:57,990 --> 01:55:58,000
» yes.

3088
01:55:58,000 --> 01:55:58,790
>> Bradberry,

3089
01:55:58,790 --> 01:55:58,800
» Bradberry,

3090
01:55:58,800 --> 01:55:59,589
>> yes.

3091
01:55:59,589 --> 01:55:59,599
» yes.

3092
01:55:59,599 --> 01:56:00,229
>> Finigan,

3093
01:56:00,229 --> 01:56:00,239
» Finigan,

3094
01:56:00,239 --> 01:56:01,669
>> no.

3095
01:56:01,669 --> 01:56:01,679
» no.

3096
01:56:01,679 --> 01:56:02,550
>> Gas,

3097
01:56:02,550 --> 01:56:02,560
» Gas,

3098
01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:03,750
>> yes.

3099
01:56:03,750 --> 01:56:03,760
» yes.

3100
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:05,109
>> That passes your own.

3101
01:56:05,109 --> 01:56:05,119
» That passes your own.

3102
01:56:05,119 --> 01:56:07,030
>> Thank you very much. brings us to item

3103
01:56:07,030 --> 01:56:07,040
» Thank you very much. brings us to item

3104
01:56:07,040 --> 01:56:10,159
F, ordinance number 26, 2015, increasing

3105
01:56:10,159 --> 01:56:13,199
water rate 8% first reading. Do I have a

3106
01:56:13,199 --> 01:56:14,320
motion?

3107
01:56:14,320 --> 01:56:15,510
>> Your honor, I move the city council

3108
01:56:15,510 --> 01:56:15,520
» Your honor, I move the city council

3109
01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:18,239
approve ordinance number 26-2015

3110
01:56:18,239 --> 01:56:19,760
and first reading amending certain

3111
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:21,440
provisions of Pitchkan Municipal Code

3112
01:56:21,440 --> 01:56:24,800
Chapter 11.16 entitled water rates to

3113
01:56:24,800 --> 01:56:27,040
increase by 8% and providing for an

3114
01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:29,199
effective date.

3115
01:56:29,199 --> 01:56:31,669
>> We have a second.

3116
01:56:31,669 --> 01:56:31,679
» We have a second.

3117
01:56:31,679 --> 01:56:35,510
>> Second. No, it's been moved and second

3118
01:56:35,510 --> 01:56:35,520
» Second. No, it's been moved and second

3119
01:56:35,520 --> 01:56:40,950
discussion.

3120
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:42,320
» Hearing seeing none, please call the

3121
01:56:42,320 --> 01:56:45,199
role.

3122
01:56:45,199 --> 01:56:45,830
>> Gas,

3123
01:56:45,830 --> 01:56:45,840
» Gas,

3124
01:56:45,840 --> 01:56:47,430
>> no.

3125
01:56:47,430 --> 01:56:47,440
» no.

3126
01:56:47,440 --> 01:56:48,149
>> Finan,

3127
01:56:48,149 --> 01:56:48,159
» Finan,

3128
01:56:48,159 --> 01:56:49,750
>> yes.

3129
01:56:49,750 --> 01:56:49,760
» yes.

3130
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:50,790
>> Yes.

3131
01:56:50,790 --> 01:56:50,800
» Yes.

3132
01:56:50,800 --> 01:56:51,430
>> Gage,

3133
01:56:51,430 --> 01:56:51,440
» Gage,

3134
01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:52,550
>> yes.

3135
01:56:52,550 --> 01:56:52,560
» yes.

3136
01:56:52,560 --> 01:56:53,270
>> Zingi,

3137
01:56:53,270 --> 01:56:53,280
» Zingi,

3138
01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:54,229
>> yes.

3139
01:56:54,229 --> 01:56:54,239
» yes.

3140
01:56:54,239 --> 01:56:54,870
>> Matani,

3141
01:56:54,870 --> 01:56:54,880
» Matani,

3142
01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:55,750
>> no.

3143
01:56:55,750 --> 01:56:55,760
» no.

3144
01:56:55,760 --> 01:56:58,229
>> That passes your honor. Fortitude.

3145
01:56:58,229 --> 01:56:58,239
» That passes your honor. Fortitude.

3146
01:56:58,239 --> 01:57:00,080
Thank you. Brings us to item G,

3147
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:02,719
ordinance number 2616, increasing the

3148
01:57:02,719 --> 01:57:06,000
sewer rate by 8% first reading. Do I

3149
01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:08,159
have a motion?

3150
01:57:08,159 --> 01:57:09,440
Your honor, I move the city council

3151
01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:12,159
approve ordinance number 26-2016

3152
01:57:12,159 --> 01:57:13,840
in first reading amending Kitchkan

3153
01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:17,360
Municipal Code section 12.09.040

3154
01:57:17,360 --> 01:57:20,639
entitled cost per eru by increasing

3155
01:57:20,639 --> 01:57:23,040
sewer rates by 8% and providing for an

3156
01:57:23,040 --> 01:57:25,119
effective date. Second

3157
01:57:25,119 --> 01:57:28,709
>> been moved and second discussion

3158
01:57:28,709 --> 01:57:28,719
» been moved and second discussion

3159
01:57:28,719 --> 01:57:30,159
hearing. Seeing none, please call the

3160
01:57:30,159 --> 01:57:32,719
roll.

3161
01:57:32,719 --> 01:57:33,510
>> Finan,

3162
01:57:33,510 --> 01:57:33,520
» Finan,

3163
01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:34,870
>> yes.

3164
01:57:34,870 --> 01:57:34,880
» yes.

3165
01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:35,589
>> Bradbury,

3166
01:57:35,589 --> 01:57:35,599
» Bradbury,

3167
01:57:35,599 --> 01:57:36,550
>> yes.

3168
01:57:36,550 --> 01:57:36,560
» yes.

3169
01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:37,830
>> Gage,

3170
01:57:37,830 --> 01:57:37,840
» Gage,

3171
01:57:37,840 --> 01:57:38,950
>> yes.

3172
01:57:38,950 --> 01:57:38,960
» yes.

3173
01:57:38,960 --> 01:57:39,750
>> Zingy,

3174
01:57:39,750 --> 01:57:39,760
» Zingy,

3175
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:40,709
>> yes.

3176
01:57:40,709 --> 01:57:40,719
» yes.

3177
01:57:40,719 --> 01:57:41,430
>> Matani.

3178
01:57:41,430 --> 01:57:41,440
» Matani.

3179
01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:42,550
>> Oh,

3180
01:57:42,550 --> 01:57:42,560
» Oh,

3181
01:57:42,560 --> 01:57:43,109
>> yes.

3182
01:57:43,109 --> 01:57:43,119
» yes.

3183
01:57:43,119 --> 01:57:44,149
>> No.

3184
01:57:44,149 --> 01:57:44,159
» No.

3185
01:57:44,159 --> 01:57:49,270
>> That passenger 42.

3186
01:57:49,280 --> 01:57:51,280
» Yeah. [clears throat]

3187
01:57:51,280 --> 01:57:54,229
>> What's that? Can we take a a break?

3188
01:57:54,229 --> 01:57:54,239
» What's that? Can we take a a break?

3189
01:57:54,239 --> 01:57:54,790
>> Yeah.

3190
01:57:54,790 --> 01:57:54,800
» Yeah.

3191
01:57:54,800 --> 01:58:00,310
>> All right. We're taking a break.

3192
01:58:00,320 --> 01:58:07,350
» Item G H

3193
01:58:07,360 --> 01:58:10,320
ordinance number 26 2017 amending

3194
01:58:10,320 --> 01:58:15,520
section 3.04 04 uh that's consumer sales

3195
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:18,080
tax of the Ketchan municipal code to

3196
01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:19,360
provide for an additional one and a

3197
01:58:19,360 --> 01:58:20,960
half%

3198
01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:23,119
consumer sales tax during the period of

3199
01:58:23,119 --> 01:58:25,679
April 1st September 30th first reading.

3200
01:58:25,679 --> 01:58:28,480
Do I have a motion?

3201
01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:29,840
Your honor, I move that the city council

3202
01:58:29,840 --> 01:58:32,400
approve ordinance number 26-2017

3203
01:58:32,400 --> 01:58:34,320
in first reading increasing the seasonal

3204
01:58:34,320 --> 01:58:36,080
sales tax by increasing the sales tax

3205
01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:40,880
levy 1.5% from 5 and 12% to 6% for the

3206
01:58:40,880 --> 01:58:42,320
period of April 1st through September

3207
01:58:42,320 --> 01:58:45,199
30th by amending subsection A of KMC

3208
01:58:45,199 --> 01:58:48,080
section 3.04.020

3209
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:51,599
entitled levy of tax subsection B of KMC

3210
01:58:51,599 --> 01:58:53,760
section 3.04.040

3211
01:58:53,760 --> 01:58:57,199
040 entitled tax added to sales price

3212
01:58:57,199 --> 01:59:01,760
and subsection C of KMC section 3.04.130

3213
01:59:01,760 --> 01:59:04,320
entitled use of proceeds of sales tax

3214
01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:06,320
and establishing an effective date.

3215
01:59:06,320 --> 01:59:10,310
>> Second move second. Any discussion? Yes.

3216
01:59:10,310 --> 01:59:10,320
» Second move second. Any discussion? Yes.

3217
01:59:10,320 --> 01:59:12,950
>> Thank you, honor. Uh

3218
01:59:12,950 --> 01:59:12,960
» Thank you, honor. Uh

3219
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:15,280
I held my comments for this particular

3220
01:59:15,280 --> 01:59:17,920
one because I think it's actually

3221
01:59:17,920 --> 01:59:21,599
probably the most hard-hitting. Uh,

3222
01:59:21,599 --> 01:59:23,679
and I don't mean to ramble on, but uh,

3223
01:59:23,679 --> 01:59:26,080
as we go through our business at the

3224
01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:27,840
council,

3225
01:59:27,840 --> 01:59:31,280
uh, in passing expenditures and

3226
01:59:31,280 --> 01:59:33,920
increases and contracts,

3227
01:59:33,920 --> 01:59:35,760
uh, I think it's important that we

3228
01:59:35,760 --> 01:59:38,639
always remember that there's a price to

3229
01:59:38,639 --> 01:59:41,360
pay for all these things. And, um, I can

3230
01:59:41,360 --> 01:59:44,080
only speak for myself. There have been

3231
01:59:44,080 --> 01:59:45,840
almost all the general government

3232
01:59:45,840 --> 01:59:49,119
contracts or yeah almost all but one I

3233
01:59:49,119 --> 01:59:51,599
think where I found myself in a very

3234
01:59:51,599 --> 01:59:55,040
tough position internally weighing the

3235
01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:59,599
pros and the cons of uh recognizing that

3236
01:59:59,599 --> 02:00:02,639
increases to not just employee benefits

3237
02:00:02,639 --> 02:00:04,719
but you know to that and to other

3238
02:00:04,719 --> 02:00:06,239
expenses

3239
02:00:06,239 --> 02:00:08,800
um is something that is often times

3240
02:00:08,800 --> 02:00:12,480
deserved, warranted, needed.

3241
02:00:12,480 --> 02:00:14,560
But some things that kind of get or

3242
02:00:14,560 --> 02:00:16,320
something that I think gets lost in the

3243
02:00:16,320 --> 02:00:18,639
process sometimes or we lose sight of is

3244
02:00:18,639 --> 02:00:21,040
the price tag. And every time this time

3245
02:00:21,040 --> 02:00:22,719
of year, this is where the price tag

3246
02:00:22,719 --> 02:00:26,800
comes home to roost. And uh I just want

3247
02:00:26,800 --> 02:00:29,599
to take this opportunity as a chance to

3248
02:00:29,599 --> 02:00:31,520
remind everyone

3249
02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:33,040
when we're doing these things, when

3250
02:00:33,040 --> 02:00:35,119
we're passing these increases, this is

3251
02:00:35,119 --> 02:00:36,800
where the rubber meets the road. We are

3252
02:00:36,800 --> 02:00:39,599
a tremendously taxed city when you

3253
02:00:39,599 --> 02:00:42,719
factor in our bureau and city. Uh every

3254
02:00:42,719 --> 02:00:44,400
I don't have a pie chart, but I'm pretty

3255
02:00:44,400 --> 02:00:47,360
sure if you had one, we're one of the

3256
02:00:47,360 --> 02:00:49,119
bigger pieces of pie when it comes to

3257
02:00:49,119 --> 02:00:53,119
the taxing amounts. Uh and as I've said

3258
02:00:53,119 --> 02:00:55,280
before, every time we increase some of

3259
02:00:55,280 --> 02:00:58,480
this stuff, we usually say, well, it's

3260
02:00:58,480 --> 02:01:00,480
only a half percent and it's only a

3261
02:01:00,480 --> 02:01:01,760
little bit and it's only a little bit,

3262
02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:04,400
but it's darn near every year we're

3263
02:01:04,400 --> 02:01:07,199
increasing. So, uh I'm going to be

3264
02:01:07,199 --> 02:01:09,040
voting no against this. I know that this

3265
02:01:09,040 --> 02:01:11,760
is this was implemented into the budget

3266
02:01:11,760 --> 02:01:14,080
going forward. The frustration that I

3267
02:01:14,080 --> 02:01:18,400
have is when attempts are made to reduce

3268
02:01:18,400 --> 02:01:21,040
our spending to reduce our government in

3269
02:01:21,040 --> 02:01:23,040
areas that I think are reasonable in

3270
02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:26,159
areas that private businesses, private

3271
02:01:26,159 --> 02:01:28,000
families do when their budgets get

3272
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:29,920
tight. We don't seem to have much

3273
02:01:29,920 --> 02:01:32,239
traction. So, in good conscience, I

3274
02:01:32,239 --> 02:01:34,560
can't vote for an increase when I have

3275
02:01:34,560 --> 02:01:38,000
attempted and others have attempted to

3276
02:01:38,000 --> 02:01:40,800
make necessary reductions to at least

3277
02:01:40,800 --> 02:01:44,159
chip away at this. Um, so I just I can't

3278
02:01:44,159 --> 02:01:46,320
in good conscience vote to keep raising

3279
02:01:46,320 --> 02:01:47,920
taxes on people. It goes against

3280
02:01:47,920 --> 02:01:50,239
everything I believe and I think that as

3281
02:01:50,239 --> 02:01:52,880
we go forward, we have we have to stop.

3282
02:01:52,880 --> 02:01:54,159
I mean, I don't know what to do. I just

3283
02:01:54,159 --> 02:01:55,360
feel like I'm banging my head against

3284
02:01:55,360 --> 02:01:57,840
the wall every year, but our people

3285
02:01:57,840 --> 02:02:00,000
can't afford this stuff. And somewhere

3286
02:02:00,000 --> 02:02:03,040
there's got to be a red line. And I see

3287
02:02:03,040 --> 02:02:04,800
the red line as all the people I know

3288
02:02:04,800 --> 02:02:06,800
that grew up in this town that are

3289
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:09,280
leaving here because of the costs. And I

3290
02:02:09,280 --> 02:02:11,920
know some of it's not our deal, but some

3291
02:02:11,920 --> 02:02:14,159
of it is. And this is an example. So,

3292
02:02:14,159 --> 02:02:16,400
uh, I would just would like to encourage

3293
02:02:16,400 --> 02:02:19,679
yet again people moving forward.

3294
02:02:19,679 --> 02:02:22,400
We have to make tough choices. But, you

3295
02:02:22,400 --> 02:02:24,480
know, just saying, "Oh, well, we'll in

3296
02:02:24,480 --> 02:02:26,239
we'll increase the taxes later on and

3297
02:02:26,239 --> 02:02:28,080
we'll increase the rates and and move

3298
02:02:28,080 --> 02:02:30,960
on." I'm not on board with it. So, I

3299
02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:33,360
can't support it. And I think we're in a

3300
02:02:33,360 --> 02:02:36,239
crisis of our affordability for people

3301
02:02:36,239 --> 02:02:38,159
here who are being forced to move away

3302
02:02:38,159 --> 02:02:39,840
because of it.

3303
02:02:39,840 --> 02:02:42,950
>> Thank you. Anybody else?

3304
02:02:42,950 --> 02:02:42,960
» Thank you. Anybody else?

3305
02:02:42,960 --> 02:02:43,750
>> Yes.

3306
02:02:43,750 --> 02:02:43,760
» Yes.

3307
02:02:43,760 --> 02:02:48,550
>> So, this takes comes into play April 1.

3308
02:02:48,550 --> 02:02:48,560
» So, this takes comes into play April 1.

3309
02:02:48,560 --> 02:02:51,350
>> Yeah.

3310
02:02:51,360 --> 02:02:53,599
And have we looked at I mean to me I'm

3311
02:02:53,599 --> 02:02:54,960
having trouble with this one. I mean

3312
02:02:54,960 --> 02:02:56,480
when especially when you look at it on

3313
02:02:56,480 --> 02:03:01,520
the list it's 8% 8% now it's you know.5.

3314
02:03:01,520 --> 02:03:04,639
Have we are we sure we looked at every

3315
02:03:04,639 --> 02:03:06,560
other avenue? I mean aren't we going to

3316
02:03:06,560 --> 02:03:10,000
be receiving what 1.8 million visitors

3317
02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:12,800
this year? Won't that increase our our

3318
02:03:12,800 --> 02:03:14,560
sales tax? Do we know what that number

3319
02:03:14,560 --> 02:03:18,560
is? Have we estimated any of that? Um I

3320
02:03:18,560 --> 02:03:22,800
I just want to it just to me

3321
02:03:22,800 --> 02:03:26,560
was it didn't we just save $2

3322
02:03:26,560 --> 02:03:29,520
some thousand? We cut something. Abby,

3323
02:03:29,520 --> 02:03:31,679
I'm sorry. Through the mayor.

3324
02:03:31,679 --> 02:03:34,870
>> Yes, we did cut that. We also have

3325
02:03:34,870 --> 02:03:34,880
» Yes, we did cut that. We also have

3326
02:03:34,880 --> 02:03:36,480
increased cruise ship revenue, which

3327
02:03:36,480 --> 02:03:38,639
I'll speak to that's coming in. I mean,

3328
02:03:38,639 --> 02:03:40,880
we have other revenue aspects that I

3329
02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:42,880
just don't think have been included in

3330
02:03:42,880 --> 02:03:44,800
this.

3331
02:03:44,800 --> 02:03:45,920
Michelle,

3332
02:03:45,920 --> 02:03:49,830
>> um, mayor and council, um, port revenues

3333
02:03:49,830 --> 02:03:49,840
» um, mayor and council, um, port revenues

3334
02:03:49,840 --> 02:03:53,199
belong to the port. They don't go to the

3335
02:03:53,199 --> 02:03:57,280
general fund. Um, sales tax

3336
02:03:57,280 --> 02:04:01,990
>> during the six months is utilizing the

3337
02:04:01,990 --> 02:04:02,000
» during the six months is utilizing the

3338
02:04:02,000 --> 02:04:06,000
sales from people outside of the city.

3339
02:04:06,000 --> 02:04:08,159
All those passengers that come visit

3340
02:04:08,159 --> 02:04:10,639
when they purchase something, we're

3341
02:04:10,639 --> 02:04:13,199
capitalizing on fact that they're coming

3342
02:04:13,199 --> 02:04:15,040
from outside of our community. They are

3343
02:04:15,040 --> 02:04:18,639
helping pay for the costs that the city

3344
02:04:18,639 --> 02:04:23,040
provides for fire, police, streets,

3345
02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:24,800
um

3346
02:04:24,800 --> 02:04:27,040
all public works in the general fund

3347
02:04:27,040 --> 02:04:29,679
except for solid waste and waste water.

3348
02:04:29,679 --> 02:04:35,040
Um and and so all of those functions

3349
02:04:35,040 --> 02:04:37,520
in the general fund, that's what this

3350
02:04:37,520 --> 02:04:39,440
helps support.

3351
02:04:39,440 --> 02:04:41,599
Um

3352
02:04:41,599 --> 02:04:44,080
so port revenues

3353
02:04:44,080 --> 02:04:46,560
do not pay the general fund. That is

3354
02:04:46,560 --> 02:04:48,480
port revenue that stays in the port

3355
02:04:48,480 --> 02:04:52,560
fund. The passenger warfage fee, the CPB

3356
02:04:52,560 --> 02:04:55,360
revenues. We went through the the cruise

3357
02:04:55,360 --> 02:04:57,840
ship passenger impact study and we

3358
02:04:57,840 --> 02:04:59,599
talked about all the things that we did

3359
02:04:59,599 --> 02:05:02,080
to adjust and payments in le of taxes

3360
02:05:02,080 --> 02:05:03,840
was one of them.

3361
02:05:03,840 --> 02:05:05,990
>> Um

3362
02:05:05,990 --> 02:05:06,000
» Um

3363
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:08,400
but when we're looking at there's a

3364
02:05:08,400 --> 02:05:11,199
schedule attached to the agenda item in

3365
02:05:11,199 --> 02:05:13,520
year two

3366
02:05:13,520 --> 02:05:16,560
the draw on the general fund is 1.2

3367
02:05:16,560 --> 02:05:18,639
million.

3368
02:05:18,639 --> 02:05:22,880
So that there's um

3369
02:05:22,880 --> 02:05:30,639
we can utilize more SEM money, but that

3370
02:05:30,639 --> 02:05:32,400
money was set aside to be able to pay

3371
02:05:32,400 --> 02:05:35,920
for fire department equipment and

3372
02:05:35,920 --> 02:05:39,280
training, but and and we also haven't

3373
02:05:39,280 --> 02:05:43,040
received our final payment for any year

3374
02:05:43,040 --> 02:05:45,119
that we've submitted. So until we get

3375
02:05:45,119 --> 02:05:47,119
that final payment, we didn't want to

3376
02:05:47,119 --> 02:05:50,000
overall allocate SEMT money to make sure

3377
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:52,560
that there's funds available for for

3378
02:05:52,560 --> 02:05:55,440
that equipment. At some point when we

3379
02:05:55,440 --> 02:05:58,800
get that final final audit completed,

3380
02:05:58,800 --> 02:06:00,480
then we'll have a better idea of how

3381
02:06:00,480 --> 02:06:04,960
much SEMT and potentially could put more

3382
02:06:04,960 --> 02:06:07,280
operational money into the general fund.

3383
02:06:07,280 --> 02:06:10,080
But until we have that, we can't in good

3384
02:06:10,080 --> 02:06:13,520
conscience start taking that money and

3385
02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:15,760
not have it available for that that

3386
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:18,000
equipment for the fire department.

3387
02:06:18,000 --> 02:06:20,709
>> Yes, Jay. Your honor to the mayor.

3388
02:06:20,709 --> 02:06:20,719
» Yes, Jay. Your honor to the mayor.

3389
02:06:20,719 --> 02:06:23,440
Question for the finance director. Have

3390
02:06:23,440 --> 02:06:27,440
we received our last payment or a figure

3391
02:06:27,440 --> 02:06:30,000
of what we're getting uh for uh the

3392
02:06:30,000 --> 02:06:33,920
burough sales tax? And did we are we

3393
02:06:33,920 --> 02:06:36,239
under our expectations or did we go over

3394
02:06:36,239 --> 02:06:37,360
our expectations?

3395
02:06:37,360 --> 02:06:42,390
>> Um we are right at where we were last

3396
02:06:42,390 --> 02:06:42,400
» Um we are right at where we were last

3397
02:06:42,400 --> 02:06:46,639
year. So we did finally get just this

3398
02:06:46,639 --> 02:06:48,239
week or maybe it was late last week.

3399
02:06:48,239 --> 02:06:51,119
I've been out of the office. So um we

3400
02:06:51,119 --> 02:06:53,520
received 1.37

3401
02:06:53,520 --> 02:06:55,599
million which puts us right in line with

3402
02:06:55,599 --> 02:06:59,119
where we what we got last year. So, we

3403
02:06:59,119 --> 02:07:03,360
can't predict what sales revenue will

3404
02:07:03,360 --> 02:07:05,199
come into the city with additional

3405
02:07:05,199 --> 02:07:08,079
passengers. We don't know if those

3406
02:07:08,079 --> 02:07:10,000
passengers going to Ward Cove, if

3407
02:07:10,000 --> 02:07:11,760
they're coming into the city, if they're

3408
02:07:11,760 --> 02:07:13,520
spending money in the city. We don't

3409
02:07:13,520 --> 02:07:15,119
know because we don't have transactional

3410
02:07:15,119 --> 02:07:18,800
data. We would like to say yes, we'll

3411
02:07:18,800 --> 02:07:20,800
get a whole bunch more money based on

3412
02:07:20,800 --> 02:07:23,199
more passengers, but that isn't the case

3413
02:07:23,199 --> 02:07:25,040
the last two years. The last two years,

3414
02:07:25,040 --> 02:07:27,920
we've actually had less in sales.

3415
02:07:27,920 --> 02:07:32,390
than 2023.

3416
02:07:32,400 --> 02:07:33,119
» So

3417
02:07:33,119 --> 02:07:34,470
>> Judy Riley and

3418
02:07:34,470 --> 02:07:34,480
» Judy Riley and

3419
02:07:34,480 --> 02:07:37,189
>> so just so I understand. So we raise the

3420
02:07:37,189 --> 02:07:37,199
» so just so I understand. So we raise the

3421
02:07:37,199 --> 02:07:40,960
tax on our citizens

3422
02:07:40,960 --> 02:07:42,960
because we're not sure how much money

3423
02:07:42,960 --> 02:07:45,840
we're going to be receiving and

3424
02:07:45,840 --> 02:07:47,669
>> No, no, no. I'm sorry.

3425
02:07:47,669 --> 02:07:47,679
» No, no, no. I'm sorry.

3426
02:07:47,679 --> 02:07:48,310
>> Okay,

3427
02:07:48,310 --> 02:07:48,320
» Okay,

3428
02:07:48,320 --> 02:07:50,870
>> Council Member Zingi. Um

3429
02:07:50,870 --> 02:07:50,880
» Council Member Zingi. Um

3430
02:07:50,880 --> 02:07:54,000
the tax is to pay for the increase in

3431
02:07:54,000 --> 02:07:56,400
wages.

3432
02:07:56,400 --> 02:07:59,440
We're when we evaluate the revenue,

3433
02:07:59,440 --> 02:08:01,280
we're looking at sales revenue and

3434
02:08:01,280 --> 02:08:03,599
evaluating our regular sales tax based

3435
02:08:03,599 --> 02:08:06,079
on that based on what's happened the

3436
02:08:06,079 --> 02:08:09,920
last two years in the sales.

3437
02:08:09,920 --> 02:08:12,000
We project a certain amount of revenue.

3438
02:08:12,000 --> 02:08:13,679
It's been a little bit below. It's been

3439
02:08:13,679 --> 02:08:17,679
about 130,000 below. We projected 19

3440
02:08:17,679 --> 02:08:20,960
million the last two years and it's been

3441
02:08:20,960 --> 02:08:24,719
in 2024 it was 18.87 987 and right now

3442
02:08:24,719 --> 02:08:27,040
we're trending towards this the same

3443
02:08:27,040 --> 02:08:29,440
amount. We're within $12,000 of where we

3444
02:08:29,440 --> 02:08:31,679
were last year. So 12,000. So we're

3445
02:08:31,679 --> 02:08:33,679
about the same amount. I haven't

3446
02:08:33,679 --> 02:08:35,119
received the final payment. We still

3447
02:08:35,119 --> 02:08:37,199
haven't actually gotten November's

3448
02:08:37,199 --> 02:08:40,560
payment. Um we've got the data but not

3449
02:08:40,560 --> 02:08:43,360
the payment. So we haven't gotten the

3450
02:08:43,360 --> 02:08:45,599
final data for that one. But we're

3451
02:08:45,599 --> 02:08:47,520
receiving a certain amount of sales

3452
02:08:47,520 --> 02:08:51,199
revenue. The SEMT money I was mentioning

3453
02:08:51,199 --> 02:08:54,719
is we sent in financial information.

3454
02:08:54,719 --> 02:08:58,000
They only gave us half what we said we

3455
02:08:58,000 --> 02:09:02,800
utilize the the cost of the service. So

3456
02:09:02,800 --> 02:09:05,760
they only gave us half of that. They

3457
02:09:05,760 --> 02:09:07,280
give us the other half when they do the

3458
02:09:07,280 --> 02:09:08,639
final audit. They were supposed to

3459
02:09:08,639 --> 02:09:10,480
finish the final audit in the beginning

3460
02:09:10,480 --> 02:09:12,400
of 2025,

3461
02:09:12,400 --> 02:09:14,719
but we haven't gotten the final audit.

3462
02:09:14,719 --> 02:09:18,320
And we're expecting to get 2019,

3463
02:09:18,320 --> 02:09:19,920
2020,

3464
02:09:19,920 --> 02:09:24,320
22, 2023, and 2024.

3465
02:09:24,320 --> 02:09:26,960
So eventually,

3466
02:09:26,960 --> 02:09:29,920
but they haven't given us the final on

3467
02:09:29,920 --> 02:09:30,719
those.

3468
02:09:30,719 --> 02:09:31,750
>> Do you have a followup?

3469
02:09:31,750 --> 02:09:31,760
» Do you have a followup?

3470
02:09:31,760 --> 02:09:35,990
>> I do. So if we received

3471
02:09:35,990 --> 02:09:36,000
» I do. So if we received

3472
02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:39,199
the SEMt money, would we be able to use

3473
02:09:39,199 --> 02:09:42,000
that to offset the burden on the

3474
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:43,599
citizens?

3475
02:09:43,599 --> 02:09:46,719
That is

3476
02:09:46,719 --> 02:09:48,480
I don't know because I don't know how

3477
02:09:48,480 --> 02:09:50,639
much that would be.

3478
02:09:50,639 --> 02:09:53,270
>> They cut they could come back and say

3479
02:09:53,270 --> 02:09:53,280
» They cut they could come back and say

3480
02:09:53,280 --> 02:09:55,040
what you received is all you'll get.

3481
02:09:55,040 --> 02:09:57,920
They could come back and say we overpaid

3482
02:09:57,920 --> 02:10:00,079
you. You need to give us money back. Or

3483
02:10:00,079 --> 02:10:01,360
they could come back and say what you

3484
02:10:01,360 --> 02:10:03,520
submitted is what we'll give you and

3485
02:10:03,520 --> 02:10:04,800
they'll give us everything.

3486
02:10:04,800 --> 02:10:07,189
>> So can I ask how much we submitted? How

3487
02:10:07,189 --> 02:10:07,199
» So can I ask how much we submitted? How

3488
02:10:07,199 --> 02:10:10,239
much that amount was? Um the first year

3489
02:10:10,239 --> 02:10:13,599
I believe we got 700,000.

3490
02:10:13,599 --> 02:10:16,560
The first couple years was about 700,000

3491
02:10:16,560 --> 02:10:19,119
of which we only got we only get half.

3492
02:10:19,119 --> 02:10:22,159
Is that the half?

3493
02:10:22,159 --> 02:10:25,920
About 700,000. Um it also depends on our

3494
02:10:25,920 --> 02:10:28,320
assets. So if we purchase new assets

3495
02:10:28,320 --> 02:10:31,679
then that that cost increases and so we

3496
02:10:31,679 --> 02:10:34,239
can submit for more. We have to keep in

3497
02:10:34,239 --> 02:10:39,440
mind SEMT is based on Medicare funds and

3498
02:10:39,440 --> 02:10:41,760
if that goes away,

3499
02:10:41,760 --> 02:10:44,550
>> the SEMT program can go away. So there's

3500
02:10:44,550 --> 02:10:44,560
» the SEMT program can go away. So there's

3501
02:10:44,560 --> 02:10:46,239
a balance. So one, we haven't received a

3502
02:10:46,239 --> 02:10:48,400
final audit. Two, we want to make sure

3503
02:10:48,400 --> 02:10:50,719
that once we get that final audit, what

3504
02:10:50,719 --> 02:10:52,639
can we plan for making sure that the

3505
02:10:52,639 --> 02:10:56,079
fire department's assets, their their

3506
02:10:56,079 --> 02:10:59,119
emergency medical transport program can

3507
02:10:59,119 --> 02:11:03,040
still function and operate.

3508
02:11:03,040 --> 02:11:04,880
The only reason why I bring that up is

3509
02:11:04,880 --> 02:11:07,920
it is possible we could put more of

3510
02:11:07,920 --> 02:11:10,320
those funds into the general fund, but

3511
02:11:10,320 --> 02:11:12,719
it shouldn't that's not funding that's

3512
02:11:12,719 --> 02:11:15,119
not the cost that it that needs to be

3513
02:11:15,119 --> 02:11:18,239
funded. The cost outside of fire

3514
02:11:18,239 --> 02:11:22,000
department is 1.21.

3515
02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:24,159
That's not included in it that does not

3516
02:11:24,159 --> 02:11:26,320
include any fire department increasing

3517
02:11:26,320 --> 02:11:28,079
wages.

3518
02:11:28,079 --> 02:11:31,430
>> Right. Uh did I understand? Are you

3519
02:11:31,430 --> 02:11:31,440
» Right. Uh did I understand? Are you

3520
02:11:31,440 --> 02:11:33,760
saying that the increased number of

3521
02:11:33,760 --> 02:11:36,159
passengers coming in, we are not

3522
02:11:36,159 --> 02:11:38,719
factoring in or estimating an increase

3523
02:11:38,719 --> 02:11:40,800
in sales tax due to that because they

3524
02:11:40,800 --> 02:11:42,320
might not come into town and spend

3525
02:11:42,320 --> 02:11:44,079
money? Is that what I heard you say?

3526
02:11:44,079 --> 02:11:47,510
>> Um, the reason why we don't factor in an

3527
02:11:47,510 --> 02:11:47,520
» Um, the reason why we don't factor in an

3528
02:11:47,520 --> 02:11:50,159
increase in sales is one, we don't know

3529
02:11:50,159 --> 02:11:53,119
how much they'll spend. We don't know. I

3530
02:11:53,119 --> 02:11:57,040
mean, our economy nationally costs are

3531
02:11:57,040 --> 02:11:59,520
increasing. So how much we've what we

3532
02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:01,920
have seen is sales for the last two

3533
02:12:01,920 --> 02:12:05,280
years were lower than the 2023 sales. So

3534
02:12:05,280 --> 02:12:07,360
what we're looking at is sales numbers.

3535
02:12:07,360 --> 02:12:10,000
So the last two years have been stagnant

3536
02:12:10,000 --> 02:12:12,000
even though the number of passengers

3537
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:15,199
have significantly increased. So that's

3538
02:12:15,199 --> 02:12:18,079
a concern when I'm looking at sales. I

3539
02:12:18,079 --> 02:12:20,079
can't in good conscience say oh well

3540
02:12:20,079 --> 02:12:21,520
just because we'll receive another

3541
02:12:21,520 --> 02:12:23,840
100,000 they'll all spend I mean then

3542
02:12:23,840 --> 02:12:26,239
how much does each person spend? I think

3543
02:12:26,239 --> 02:12:27,840
that's going to vary based on the

3544
02:12:27,840 --> 02:12:30,880
economy and and we don't know what that

3545
02:12:30,880 --> 02:12:33,679
number per passenger that they spend in

3546
02:12:33,679 --> 02:12:35,520
the city is.

3547
02:12:35,520 --> 02:12:36,709
>> Well, I mean, they're going to spend

3548
02:12:36,709 --> 02:12:36,719
» Well, I mean, they're going to spend

3549
02:12:36,719 --> 02:12:37,760
something,

3550
02:12:37,760 --> 02:12:41,109
>> but based on the economy, is is Joe

3551
02:12:41,109 --> 02:12:41,119
» but based on the economy, is is Joe

3552
02:12:41,119 --> 02:12:44,560
going to spend $50 and then this family

3553
02:12:44,560 --> 02:12:46,960
over here going to spend less because

3554
02:12:46,960 --> 02:12:49,430
>> they have less because of the economic

3555
02:12:49,430 --> 02:12:49,440
» they have less because of the economic

3556
02:12:49,440 --> 02:12:51,920
conditions everywhere?

3557
02:12:51,920 --> 02:12:54,480
I don't know. I don't think we have a

3558
02:12:54,480 --> 02:12:56,400
crystal ball with that. And so what we

3559
02:12:56,400 --> 02:13:00,480
take is our last year's sales and that's

3560
02:13:00,480 --> 02:13:03,360
what we use to base next year's sales

3561
02:13:03,360 --> 02:13:04,639
on.

3562
02:13:04,639 --> 02:13:06,470
>> Great.

3563
02:13:06,470 --> 02:13:06,480
» Great.

3564
02:13:06,480 --> 02:13:10,079
To the finance director's point, she hit

3565
02:13:10,079 --> 02:13:13,280
it on the nail.

3566
02:13:13,280 --> 02:13:16,560
Last two years, our sales tax income has

3567
02:13:16,560 --> 02:13:19,119
reduced. Do you know why it has reduced?

3568
02:13:19,119 --> 02:13:20,960
I'm one of those retailers that collect

3569
02:13:20,960 --> 02:13:24,239
sale tax. Restaurants collect sales tax.

3570
02:13:24,239 --> 02:13:26,239
Shows collect sales tax. Tourists

3571
02:13:26,239 --> 02:13:29,199
collect sales tax. Our taxes and our

3572
02:13:29,199 --> 02:13:33,920
prices are so high that the tourists

3573
02:13:33,920 --> 02:13:36,639
coming in do not want to spend that kind

3574
02:13:36,639 --> 02:13:39,040
of money

3575
02:13:39,040 --> 02:13:42,000
in our town. That's why the number of

3576
02:13:42,000 --> 02:13:44,480
collections have reduced

3577
02:13:44,480 --> 02:13:46,639
and we continue

3578
02:13:46,639 --> 02:13:48,960
to raise taxes.

3579
02:13:48,960 --> 02:13:52,079
It not only affects the tourism economy,

3580
02:13:52,079 --> 02:13:55,040
it affects our local economy. Somebody

3581
02:13:55,040 --> 02:13:57,679
has a problem with a car. Engine gets

3582
02:13:57,679 --> 02:13:59,199
destroyed.

3583
02:13:59,199 --> 02:14:00,560
You can't tell them to wait till the

3584
02:14:00,560 --> 02:14:02,800
winter.

3585
02:14:02,800 --> 02:14:05,520
They have to pay and get a car

3586
02:14:05,520 --> 02:14:09,760
transportation. A roof gets uh caved in.

3587
02:14:09,760 --> 02:14:14,239
We continue continuously to raise rates

3588
02:14:14,239 --> 02:14:17,119
and taxes.

3589
02:14:17,119 --> 02:14:19,679
My issue is we are doing that to support

3590
02:14:19,679 --> 02:14:22,880
our contracts that we give out.

3591
02:14:22,880 --> 02:14:24,719
I don't know whether we need better

3592
02:14:24,719 --> 02:14:27,910
negotiations.

3593
02:14:27,920 --> 02:14:29,840
I mean

3594
02:14:29,840 --> 02:14:32,480
our sales tax revenue, our tax

3595
02:14:32,480 --> 02:14:35,360
collection is

3596
02:14:35,360 --> 02:14:37,199
every penny. I mean people question me

3597
02:14:37,199 --> 02:14:38,639
even today I get phone call why are we

3598
02:14:38,639 --> 02:14:40,239
raising taxes? Where is this money

3599
02:14:40,239 --> 02:14:44,079
going? This money is going to pay wages.

3600
02:14:44,079 --> 02:14:46,400
Every three years, every six years,

3601
02:14:46,400 --> 02:14:49,440
there is a huge increment. We've got to

3602
02:14:49,440 --> 02:14:50,960
make some cuts. I mean, I tried to make

3603
02:14:50,960 --> 02:14:53,760
a small cut and everybody

3604
02:14:53,760 --> 02:14:55,440
jumped on that during the budget

3605
02:14:55,440 --> 02:14:59,119
session. Couldn't make cuts. Now we I

3606
02:14:59,119 --> 02:15:01,119
mean across every department, we raising

3607
02:15:01,119 --> 02:15:03,440
rates and then we raising taxes as well.

3608
02:15:03,440 --> 02:15:05,679
I mean there are more things coming down

3609
02:15:05,679 --> 02:15:07,920
the pipeline that

3610
02:15:07,920 --> 02:15:11,520
will destroy business activity in this

3611
02:15:11,520 --> 02:15:13,440
city.

3612
02:15:13,440 --> 02:15:19,830
>> Gently.

3613
02:15:19,840 --> 02:15:24,239
» So years ago I was part of the um

3614
02:15:24,239 --> 02:15:26,320
um survey team that went down on the

3615
02:15:26,320 --> 02:15:29,440
dock and surveyed um passengers around

3616
02:15:29,440 --> 02:15:31,040
2014.

3617
02:15:31,040 --> 02:15:34,000
And the average spent

3618
02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:37,920
tourist um spent off a cruise ship is

3619
02:15:37,920 --> 02:15:41,599
between $75 and $100 depending on which

3620
02:15:41,599 --> 02:15:43,199
way they're traveling. So if we're the

3621
02:15:43,199 --> 02:15:46,000
last stop, they spend even less. If

3622
02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:47,920
we're the first stop, sometimes they

3623
02:15:47,920 --> 02:15:50,320
spend less because they want to save

3624
02:15:50,320 --> 02:15:54,880
their money for what might be upstream.

3625
02:15:54,880 --> 02:15:56,400
Um,

3626
02:15:56,400 --> 02:15:59,280
we chose not to raise the bed tax

3627
02:15:59,280 --> 02:16:02,480
because that affects locals somewhere

3628
02:16:02,480 --> 02:16:05,840
somehow in one way or another. And now

3629
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:10,480
we want to choose not to raise a 5%. I

3630
02:16:10,480 --> 02:16:14,639
get that we do not want to put the

3631
02:16:14,639 --> 02:16:17,119
pressure on our uh community. I'm part

3632
02:16:17,119 --> 02:16:19,119
of that community.

3633
02:16:19,119 --> 02:16:20,960
I don't really want to see my rates go

3634
02:16:20,960 --> 02:16:24,400
up. I don't want to see my taxes go up.

3635
02:16:24,400 --> 02:16:28,239
I don't even want to see

3636
02:16:28,239 --> 02:16:30,960
the costs of living that I'm seeing

3637
02:16:30,960 --> 02:16:34,240
anywhere go up. However,

3638
02:16:34,240 --> 02:16:36,800
my I mean insurance, all these things

3639
02:16:36,800 --> 02:16:40,880
are going up. We have no control.

3640
02:16:40,880 --> 02:16:42,880
Our finance department has no control.

3641
02:16:42,880 --> 02:16:45,040
Our manager has no control. Our

3642
02:16:45,040 --> 02:16:48,479
community who works for the city that

3643
02:16:48,479 --> 02:16:51,760
lives and works in our city doesn't want

3644
02:16:51,760 --> 02:16:54,960
to see it either. However, we look at

3645
02:16:54,960 --> 02:16:58,000
our programs, we look what we have. When

3646
02:16:58,000 --> 02:17:01,280
we talk about small government, we're

3647
02:17:01,280 --> 02:17:03,760
talking about cutting crew. We're

3648
02:17:03,760 --> 02:17:07,200
talking about having maybe volunteers to

3649
02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:11,120
deliver our uh garbage to the dump.

3650
02:17:11,120 --> 02:17:12,960
We're talking about what's happening in

3651
02:17:12,960 --> 02:17:17,200
Juno right now. We have no street crew.

3652
02:17:17,200 --> 02:17:19,599
We have volunteers out there shoveling

3653
02:17:19,599 --> 02:17:23,679
roofs and streets because we we're

3654
02:17:23,679 --> 02:17:26,240
already bare bones. We have how many

3655
02:17:26,240 --> 02:17:30,080
fire department guys that are running

3656
02:17:30,080 --> 02:17:32,960
summers like crazy, like their head cut

3657
02:17:32,960 --> 02:17:36,399
off. We have police officers. We can't

3658
02:17:36,399 --> 02:17:39,359
even, you know, there are so many people

3659
02:17:39,359 --> 02:17:43,760
that don't even follow the law that they

3660
02:17:43,760 --> 02:17:46,960
I've seen people running the stop signs

3661
02:17:46,960 --> 02:17:49,120
and there's no one around to catch them

3662
02:17:49,120 --> 02:17:51,840
because well, everyone's busy with other

3663
02:17:51,840 --> 02:17:56,870
and I get it. Um,

3664
02:17:56,880 --> 02:17:59,120
at the end of the day, as much as I

3665
02:17:59,120 --> 02:18:02,080
don't want to pass this

3666
02:18:02,080 --> 02:18:04,399
and I've lived in a community where we

3667
02:18:04,399 --> 02:18:08,319
had the seasonal tax,

3668
02:18:08,319 --> 02:18:11,920
I and I bought stuff throughout the

3669
02:18:11,920 --> 02:18:14,960
season all the time. Honestly, there are

3670
02:18:14,960 --> 02:18:16,639
other ways we could do this. We could

3671
02:18:16,639 --> 02:18:19,920
just get rid of the tax cap on jewelry

3672
02:18:19,920 --> 02:18:23,599
for one because we're not buying it.

3673
02:18:23,599 --> 02:18:25,760
None of us, this community, we're not

3674
02:18:25,760 --> 02:18:29,200
spending $50,000 on jewelry. Juno took

3675
02:18:29,200 --> 02:18:32,960
the cap off. It makes me angry because

3676
02:18:32,960 --> 02:18:34,559
at the end of the day, we're talking

3677
02:18:34,559 --> 02:18:36,160
about

3678
02:18:36,160 --> 02:18:38,319
we have to have a budget. We have to pay

3679
02:18:38,319 --> 02:18:41,679
our staff. We cannot afford not to do

3680
02:18:41,679 --> 02:18:45,519
that because we have the bare minimum of

3681
02:18:45,519 --> 02:18:48,960
staff and what we need to support our

3682
02:18:48,960 --> 02:18:51,679
community in the services that we need

3683
02:18:51,679 --> 02:18:55,760
to have. It's not water. It's not sewer.

3684
02:18:55,760 --> 02:18:58,399
Those are things I pay for because I get

3685
02:18:58,399 --> 02:19:02,160
them. We're talking fire, police, we're

3686
02:19:02,160 --> 02:19:04,319
talking safety.

3687
02:19:04,319 --> 02:19:06,880
And if we want those things, we have to

3688
02:19:06,880 --> 02:19:10,319
do this. If we want public works to be

3689
02:19:10,319 --> 02:19:13,599
able to do what they do, we have we

3690
02:19:13,599 --> 02:19:16,000
can't take money out of the port to do

3691
02:19:16,000 --> 02:19:19,280
these things. We've said this forever.

3692
02:19:19,280 --> 02:19:22,479
It's there. That's how it works.

3693
02:19:22,479 --> 02:19:24,559
I don't want to do it any more than

3694
02:19:24,559 --> 02:19:26,639
anybody else. But at the end of the day,

3695
02:19:26,639 --> 02:19:29,920
we also have to have our services.

3696
02:19:29,920 --> 02:19:35,429
Abby in the meeting.

3697
02:19:35,439 --> 02:19:36,559
» At [clears throat] this time, I do not

3698
02:19:36,559 --> 02:19:38,240
support a seasonal sales tax increase

3699
02:19:38,240 --> 02:19:39,760
because I believe there are multiple

3700
02:19:39,760 --> 02:19:41,760
existing, upcoming, and potential

3701
02:19:41,760 --> 02:19:43,439
revenue opportunities as well as

3702
02:19:43,439 --> 02:19:45,040
cost-saving measures that should be

3703
02:19:45,040 --> 02:19:47,439
fully evaluated before asking residents

3704
02:19:47,439 --> 02:19:49,840
to pay more. First, we should review the

3705
02:19:49,840 --> 02:19:51,520
potential carryover of unspent funds

3706
02:19:51,520 --> 02:19:53,920
from prior budget cycles. These funds

3707
02:19:53,920 --> 02:19:56,240
represent dollars already collected or

3708
02:19:56,240 --> 02:19:58,560
will be collected and may help address

3709
02:19:58,560 --> 02:20:01,200
the long-term solution. Second, cruise

3710
02:20:01,200 --> 02:20:03,280
ship related revenues continue to grow

3711
02:20:03,280 --> 02:20:04,880
with an increased number of vessels

3712
02:20:04,880 --> 02:20:07,280
calling in catch can waters. Cruise ship

3713
02:20:07,280 --> 02:20:09,280
sales tax revenue, not talking about the

3714
02:20:09,280 --> 02:20:11,120
portification

3715
02:20:11,120 --> 02:20:13,120
is rising.

3716
02:20:13,120 --> 02:20:15,840
We had $120,630

3717
02:20:15,840 --> 02:20:18,000
come in in 2025

3718
02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:20,000
and we have nine more ships entering our

3719
02:20:20,000 --> 02:20:22,640
catch can watch waters next year. In

3720
02:20:22,640 --> 02:20:24,479
addition, fee increases schedules for

3721
02:20:24,479 --> 02:20:26,720
2027 are expected to further strengthen

3722
02:20:26,720 --> 02:20:29,200
the port revenue which will help in

3723
02:20:29,200 --> 02:20:31,200
return the percentage of our general

3724
02:20:31,200 --> 02:20:34,240
fund in multiple departments.

3725
02:20:34,240 --> 02:20:35,920
There are also opportunities to reduce

3726
02:20:35,920 --> 02:20:37,439
pressure on the general fund through

3727
02:20:37,439 --> 02:20:39,840
targeted userbased fees and expanded

3728
02:20:39,840 --> 02:20:43,040
earned revenue. The proposed $1 increase

3729
02:20:43,040 --> 02:20:44,640
from the museum and Totem Heritage

3730
02:20:44,640 --> 02:20:47,359
Center does exactly that and helps

3731
02:20:47,359 --> 02:20:49,120
directly support these facilities while

3732
02:20:49,120 --> 02:20:51,120
reducing the level of general funding

3733
02:20:51,120 --> 02:20:53,359
subsidy requirement. [laughter]

3734
02:20:53,359 --> 02:20:54,880
We can further build on this by

3735
02:20:54,880 --> 02:20:56,319
expanding revenue generating

3736
02:20:56,319 --> 02:20:58,640
opportunities within these spaces such

3737
02:20:58,640 --> 02:21:01,600
as adding a small coffee shop, a small

3738
02:21:01,600 --> 02:21:04,319
uh souvenir store, or even allowing

3739
02:21:04,319 --> 02:21:06,160
large-scale groups to tour at Totem

3740
02:21:06,160 --> 02:21:09,359
Heritage Center like we did precoid.

3741
02:21:09,359 --> 02:21:11,040
These enhancements could help create a

3742
02:21:11,040 --> 02:21:12,399
more self-supporting model for the

3743
02:21:12,399 --> 02:21:14,479
museum and heritage center, allowing

3744
02:21:14,479 --> 02:21:16,240
residents to continue enjoying these

3745
02:21:16,240 --> 02:21:18,240
cultural assets while then leveraging

3746
02:21:18,240 --> 02:21:20,479
the visitors dollars to cover a greater

3747
02:21:20,479 --> 02:21:22,720
share of the operating costs, then

3748
02:21:22,720 --> 02:21:25,680
ultimately benefiting the general fund.

3749
02:21:25,680 --> 02:21:28,080
Operational efficiencies also remain an

3750
02:21:28,080 --> 02:21:30,160
important part of the solution. We

3751
02:21:30,160 --> 02:21:32,000
continuously talk about redundancy

3752
02:21:32,000 --> 02:21:35,120
studies, efficiency studies. We I'm not

3753
02:21:35,120 --> 02:21:37,680
going to go much detail there, but

3754
02:21:37,680 --> 02:21:39,920
there's a lot of areas that and systems

3755
02:21:39,920 --> 02:21:42,080
that could be streamlined, duplication

3756
02:21:42,080 --> 02:21:44,080
reduced, and long-term cost savings

3757
02:21:44,080 --> 02:21:46,720
achieved, all of which again benefit the

3758
02:21:46,720 --> 02:21:48,399
general fund without impacting service

3759
02:21:48,399 --> 02:21:49,920
levels.

3760
02:21:49,920 --> 02:21:51,439
Additionally, two major revenue

3761
02:21:51,439 --> 02:21:52,960
opportunities may present themselves

3762
02:21:52,960 --> 02:21:55,120
pending court rulings. One is the

3763
02:21:55,120 --> 02:21:56,880
potential expansion of the transient tax

3764
02:21:56,880 --> 02:21:59,200
to cruise ships similar to model Hawaii

3765
02:21:59,200 --> 02:22:02,160
is currently working on and as of today

3766
02:22:02,160 --> 02:22:05,680
it was upheld in the uh court but clea

3767
02:22:05,680 --> 02:22:09,760
did file an appeal on New Year's Eve. Um

3768
02:22:09,760 --> 02:22:11,600
but it is looking very promising that

3769
02:22:11,600 --> 02:22:15,359
Hawaii will win. The second is the

3770
02:22:15,359 --> 02:22:17,200
collection of sales tax on the prices

3771
02:22:17,200 --> 02:22:20,399
cruise lines charge for tours. I want to

3772
02:22:20,399 --> 02:22:22,800
make note that that can sometimes be

3773
02:22:22,800 --> 02:22:25,680
200% more than what the operator is

3774
02:22:25,680 --> 02:22:27,359
paying tax on currently. So a

3775
02:22:27,359 --> 02:22:30,240
significant increase

3776
02:22:30,240 --> 02:22:31,680
and services offered within our

3777
02:22:31,680 --> 02:22:33,359
community and approach Skagway is

3778
02:22:33,359 --> 02:22:37,280
working on. They also filed a motion to

3779
02:22:37,280 --> 02:22:42,720
the um courts that clea cannot impact um

3780
02:22:42,720 --> 02:22:46,800
taxation and commerce law in the US. uh

3781
02:22:46,800 --> 02:22:48,319
which is looking very promising and

3782
02:22:48,319 --> 02:22:50,399
coming out.

3783
02:22:50,399 --> 02:22:52,560
If upheld, these options could generate

3784
02:22:52,560 --> 02:22:55,520
significant revenue to specifically the

3785
02:22:55,520 --> 02:22:57,760
general fund and help offset costs that

3786
02:22:57,760 --> 02:23:00,319
would otherwise fall on residents. Taken

3787
02:23:00,319 --> 02:23:02,000
together,

3788
02:23:02,000 --> 02:23:04,080
the unspent funds, carryovers every

3789
02:23:04,080 --> 02:23:06,319
year, increased cruise ships sales tax

3790
02:23:06,319 --> 02:23:09,120
revenue, future fee increases, targeted

3791
02:23:09,120 --> 02:23:11,040
user fees, expanded earn revenue at

3792
02:23:11,040 --> 02:23:12,720
cultural facilities, operational

3793
02:23:12,720 --> 02:23:14,640
efficiencies, and potential other

3794
02:23:14,640 --> 02:23:19,120
revenue tools such as the um sales tax

3795
02:23:19,120 --> 02:23:21,760
cap that council member Gage mentioned,

3796
02:23:21,760 --> 02:23:23,920
which is also on the January 30th

3797
02:23:23,920 --> 02:23:28,000
cooperative relations meeting to discuss

3798
02:23:28,000 --> 02:23:29,840
including that option.

3799
02:23:29,840 --> 02:23:33,120
Um, I think it could collectively offset

3800
02:23:33,120 --> 02:23:36,160
the approximate 1.2 million that we

3801
02:23:36,160 --> 02:23:38,000
think we will bring in with the added

3802
02:23:38,000 --> 02:23:40,960
sales tax increase. Given these

3803
02:23:40,960 --> 02:23:42,560
alternatives, I believe it's prudent to

3804
02:23:42,560 --> 02:23:44,080
fully explore and implement these

3805
02:23:44,080 --> 02:23:46,880
options before moving forward with the

3806
02:23:46,880 --> 02:23:48,960
seasonal sales tax increase. This

3807
02:23:48,960 --> 02:23:51,040
approach allows us to remain physically

3808
02:23:51,040 --> 02:23:53,520
physically physically responsible,

3809
02:23:53,520 --> 02:23:55,439
protect residents and local businesses,

3810
02:23:55,439 --> 02:23:57,280
and ensure that any tax increases

3811
02:23:57,280 --> 02:23:58,960
considered only after other reasonable

3812
02:23:58,960 --> 02:24:01,520
options have been exhausted. For that

3813
02:24:01,520 --> 02:24:03,920
reason, I'm not supporting the sales tax

3814
02:24:03,920 --> 02:24:05,600
increase. I do want to note that I did

3815
02:24:05,600 --> 02:24:08,479
support the rate increases because we

3816
02:24:08,479 --> 02:24:10,240
know the user base, we know what that's

3817
02:24:10,240 --> 02:24:12,720
going to, we have a plan, you know,

3818
02:24:12,720 --> 02:24:15,600
infrastructure, things like that. It was

3819
02:24:15,600 --> 02:24:17,439
heart heartburn to do that because I

3820
02:24:17,439 --> 02:24:18,720
know all of them are going to add but

3821
02:24:18,720 --> 02:24:21,040
that's infrastructure for our residents

3822
02:24:21,040 --> 02:24:23,680
is vital and they are a user and I

3823
02:24:23,680 --> 02:24:26,640
support user targeted rates versus just

3824
02:24:26,640 --> 02:24:28,880
a generic for everything.

3825
02:24:28,880 --> 02:24:32,309
>> Thank you Judy.

3826
02:24:32,309 --> 02:24:32,319
» Thank you Judy.

3827
02:24:32,319 --> 02:24:35,030
>> Well I just think that we could do I

3828
02:24:35,030 --> 02:24:35,040
» Well I just think that we could do I

3829
02:24:35,040 --> 02:24:37,040
mean I agree with Councilwoman Gage.

3830
02:24:37,040 --> 02:24:39,120
Let's look at the bed tax and let's look

3831
02:24:39,120 --> 02:24:43,920
at the cap. I just think that um

3832
02:24:43,920 --> 02:24:46,080
there's better ways. I support with what

3833
02:24:46,080 --> 02:24:48,319
Aby's talking about. Maybe we need to

3834
02:24:48,319 --> 02:24:50,960
take a closer look at this. It seems

3835
02:24:50,960 --> 02:24:53,359
like and maybe it's just me over these

3836
02:24:53,359 --> 02:24:55,200
last few years and because where we are

3837
02:24:55,200 --> 02:24:56,720
financially

3838
02:24:56,720 --> 02:24:58,240
um

3839
02:24:58,240 --> 02:25:00,800
it's our go-to. Let's raise this, let's

3840
02:25:00,800 --> 02:25:02,399
raise that. We do have to raise a rates.

3841
02:25:02,399 --> 02:25:03,680
I agree with that. We haven't done that

3842
02:25:03,680 --> 02:25:06,240
in a long time. But

3843
02:25:06,240 --> 02:25:08,720
I just feel that we could hold off on

3844
02:25:08,720 --> 02:25:11,439
this one until we look at something

3845
02:25:11,439 --> 02:25:12,880
else. I don't know what something else

3846
02:25:12,880 --> 02:25:16,800
is at this point, but I just think that

3847
02:25:16,800 --> 02:25:18,560
we're just going about this the wrong

3848
02:25:18,560 --> 02:25:21,600
way. There has to be a way where it

3849
02:25:21,600 --> 02:25:26,240
doesn't affect all these folks. Um, you

3850
02:25:26,240 --> 02:25:27,680
know, I mean, I know a lot of people

3851
02:25:27,680 --> 02:25:29,920
that are just working in restaurants and

3852
02:25:29,920 --> 02:25:31,359
they they can barely afford to live

3853
02:25:31,359 --> 02:25:34,080
here. Now I have I have a table at the

3854
02:25:34,080 --> 02:25:36,319
mall where people come and get food. Who

3855
02:25:36,319 --> 02:25:38,080
do you think goes and gets that? It's

3856
02:25:38,080 --> 02:25:40,960
the people that are paying this. So we

3857
02:25:40,960 --> 02:25:43,920
need to do a better job. We need to dig

3858
02:25:43,920 --> 02:25:46,160
deeper. Do we have to do this right

3859
02:25:46,160 --> 02:25:49,040
today? Can we not go back and just maybe

3860
02:25:49,040 --> 02:25:51,359
take another look? Uh I I don't know.

3861
02:25:51,359 --> 02:25:54,240
I'm I'm having trouble supporting this

3862
02:25:54,240 --> 02:25:56,800
and it's kind of where I'm at.

3863
02:25:56,800 --> 02:25:59,190
>> Yeah. Uh thank you. This is one of those

3864
02:25:59,190 --> 02:25:59,200
» Yeah. Uh thank you. This is one of those

3865
02:25:59,200 --> 02:26:00,960
areas where I think the convoluted

3866
02:26:00,960 --> 02:26:03,439
nature of the business of government

3867
02:26:03,439 --> 02:26:06,319
gets frustrating for residents and also

3868
02:26:06,319 --> 02:26:08,319
for council members and certainly for

3869
02:26:08,319 --> 02:26:11,200
staff. Um I for me in part the

3870
02:26:11,200 --> 02:26:13,359
frustration is you know we've had this

3871
02:26:13,359 --> 02:26:15,439
concept under discussion since the

3872
02:26:15,439 --> 02:26:18,000
middle of last year elements of this

3873
02:26:18,000 --> 02:26:19,920
proposed increase and granted it wasn't

3874
02:26:19,920 --> 02:26:22,319
passed so we're operating on an

3875
02:26:22,319 --> 02:26:23,600
assumption here but the budget that we

3876
02:26:23,600 --> 02:26:26,720
did just approve was tabulated in part

3877
02:26:26,720 --> 02:26:28,560
on this increase and I'm I'm certainly

3878
02:26:28,560 --> 02:26:31,040
not excited about raising rates or taxes

3879
02:26:31,040 --> 02:26:33,520
on our citizens including ourselves us

3880
02:26:33,520 --> 02:26:35,439
all being citizens paying those taxes as

3881
02:26:35,439 --> 02:26:37,520
well but this did seem to me to be a

3882
02:26:37,520 --> 02:26:39,040
better alternative to something like a

3883
02:26:39,040 --> 02:26:41,600
around tax increase or a property uh

3884
02:26:41,600 --> 02:26:46,399
property tax mill rate increase. Um I we

3885
02:26:46,399 --> 02:26:48,800
have we we have obligations

3886
02:26:48,800 --> 02:26:51,920
to our citizens to provide the services

3887
02:26:51,920 --> 02:26:55,200
that they depend on and those services

3888
02:26:55,200 --> 02:26:57,680
require staff. Those staff require

3889
02:26:57,680 --> 02:27:00,240
wages. We as a council have to find a

3890
02:27:00,240 --> 02:27:02,160
way to pay those wages. I'm all for

3891
02:27:02,160 --> 02:27:03,840
finding creative ideas. I just wish we

3892
02:27:03,840 --> 02:27:06,640
weren't doing it literally at like 11th

3893
02:27:06,640 --> 02:27:08,960
hour and 59th minute when we've been

3894
02:27:08,960 --> 02:27:10,880
talking about this proposal for the

3895
02:27:10,880 --> 02:27:13,200
better part of half a year having just

3896
02:27:13,200 --> 02:27:15,439
passed a budget that was tabulated in

3897
02:27:15,439 --> 02:27:16,800
part on the assumption that this would

3898
02:27:16,800 --> 02:27:18,880
be going into place. If there have to be

3899
02:27:18,880 --> 02:27:20,479
increases, I would prefer it to be

3900
02:27:20,479 --> 02:27:21,520
seasonal. I certainly don't want it to

3901
02:27:21,520 --> 02:27:23,120
be year round. I know that there's an

3902
02:27:23,120 --> 02:27:25,359
impact on our year- round residents,

3903
02:27:25,359 --> 02:27:28,080
myself included. Um, but with respect

3904
02:27:28,080 --> 02:27:29,600
to, you know, where and I know it's it's

3905
02:27:29,600 --> 02:27:31,359
it's little solace to people who are

3906
02:27:31,359 --> 02:27:32,720
already stretched thin, but with respect

3907
02:27:32,720 --> 02:27:35,040
to where we are taxed, like as as a

3908
02:27:35,040 --> 02:27:36,560
municipality, you know, I mean, the

3909
02:27:36,560 --> 02:27:38,800
median American average for municipal

3910
02:27:38,800 --> 02:27:40,960
sales taxes, uh, and this is according

3911
02:27:40,960 --> 02:27:44,479
to the the uh the U tax foundation,

3912
02:27:44,479 --> 02:27:46,399
which is a nonprofit, nonpartisan

3913
02:27:46,399 --> 02:27:48,720
organization, is a little bit over 8%.

3914
02:27:48,720 --> 02:27:49,840
So, we're really right there in the

3915
02:27:49,840 --> 02:27:52,080
median. It's 8.04% is median average

3916
02:27:52,080 --> 02:27:54,240
nationwide. And like I say, I know

3917
02:27:54,240 --> 02:27:55,680
that's little solace to somebody who's

3918
02:27:55,680 --> 02:27:57,760
already stretching every dollar. Uh but

3919
02:27:57,760 --> 02:27:59,200
I I don't agree with the assessment that

3920
02:27:59,200 --> 02:28:02,000
we're a highly taxed municipality when

3921
02:28:02,000 --> 02:28:04,800
we're right there in the middle. Um and

3922
02:28:04,800 --> 02:28:07,359
uh I guess, you know, I also I can't go

3923
02:28:07,359 --> 02:28:09,040
on anecdotal evidence. You know, I don't

3924
02:28:09,040 --> 02:28:10,560
for myself, maybe I'm not pennywise

3925
02:28:10,560 --> 02:28:12,000
enough, but when I when I go on

3926
02:28:12,000 --> 02:28:14,080
vacation, I don't consider a city's tax

3927
02:28:14,080 --> 02:28:16,399
rate before I buy lunch. You know, we

3928
02:28:16,399 --> 02:28:18,560
can't anticipate what people's spending

3929
02:28:18,560 --> 02:28:20,319
habits are going to be. There's a lot

3930
02:28:20,319 --> 02:28:23,280
lot of volatility in the in the uh

3931
02:28:23,280 --> 02:28:25,600
economy right now. And anybody that is

3932
02:28:25,600 --> 02:28:27,120
coming here then, you know, they're

3933
02:28:27,120 --> 02:28:28,479
they're they're on vacation. They're

3934
02:28:28,479 --> 02:28:30,560
taking a trip. This we we can't

3935
02:28:30,560 --> 02:28:33,439
anticipate how comfortable they might be

3936
02:28:33,439 --> 02:28:35,040
getting that extra meal out on the town

3937
02:28:35,040 --> 02:28:36,560
instead of, you know, eating at the

3938
02:28:36,560 --> 02:28:38,000
buffet on their ship. We just can't we

3939
02:28:38,000 --> 02:28:39,760
can't anticipate that. What we can

3940
02:28:39,760 --> 02:28:41,600
anticipate are the costs that we're

3941
02:28:41,600 --> 02:28:43,439
going to have with respect to the staff

3942
02:28:43,439 --> 02:28:45,600
that we have and the services that we

3943
02:28:45,600 --> 02:28:47,760
provide. And so though it's a bitter

3944
02:28:47,760 --> 02:28:49,520
pill to swallow, I think we have a

3945
02:28:49,520 --> 02:28:51,200
responsibility as a council to make sure

3946
02:28:51,200 --> 02:28:52,880
that we are paying the bills that we are

3947
02:28:52,880 --> 02:28:55,120
putting before ourselves. As council

3948
02:28:55,120 --> 02:28:56,800
member Gas mentioned at the start of

3949
02:28:56,800 --> 02:28:58,319
this discussion, yeah, this is where the

3950
02:28:58,319 --> 02:28:59,760
rubber hits the road. This is where we

3951
02:28:59,760 --> 02:29:01,200
actually have to this is where the bill

3952
02:29:01,200 --> 02:29:03,760
comes due. We we know what expenses

3953
02:29:03,760 --> 02:29:05,200
we're going to have this year. certainly

3954
02:29:05,200 --> 02:29:07,040
with respect to personnel and I think we

3955
02:29:07,040 --> 02:29:08,640
have an obligation to find the most

3956
02:29:08,640 --> 02:29:11,359
practically balanced way that we can to

3957
02:29:11,359 --> 02:29:14,800
put as much of that uh that expense out

3958
02:29:14,800 --> 02:29:16,399
of the pockets of the residents of

3959
02:29:16,399 --> 02:29:18,640
Ketchacan. And so I think at least in

3960
02:29:18,640 --> 02:29:21,520
the interim that a.5% seasonal sales tax

3961
02:29:21,520 --> 02:29:24,399
increase is a workable solution. And if

3962
02:29:24,399 --> 02:29:25,760
we find at the end of the year or over

3963
02:29:25,760 --> 02:29:26,960
the next several months that there are

3964
02:29:26,960 --> 02:29:28,319
creative solutions that we hadn't

3965
02:29:28,319 --> 02:29:30,479
considered or the spending is increased

3966
02:29:30,479 --> 02:29:32,399
or we have new streams of revenue or the

3967
02:29:32,399 --> 02:29:33,680
new ships that are coming provide

3968
02:29:33,680 --> 02:29:36,319
additional uh sources of funds then we

3969
02:29:36,319 --> 02:29:39,520
repeal the.5 additional percent sales

3970
02:29:39,520 --> 02:29:42,080
tax increase. We have that option also

3971
02:29:42,080 --> 02:29:43,680
but I think you know at least out of the

3972
02:29:43,680 --> 02:29:46,080
gate we have an obligation to pay for

3973
02:29:46,080 --> 02:29:48,160
the services and staff who provide those

3974
02:29:48,160 --> 02:29:50,000
services that we assure for our

3975
02:29:50,000 --> 02:29:52,000
residents.

3976
02:29:52,000 --> 02:29:53,840
We have Jan Lee, then we have Riley,

3977
02:29:53,840 --> 02:29:54,960
then we have Evie.

3978
02:29:54,960 --> 02:29:57,349
>> Yeah, I agree with Jack and I think I

3979
02:29:57,349 --> 02:29:57,359
» Yeah, I agree with Jack and I think I

3980
02:29:57,359 --> 02:29:59,520
agree with everybody on the um finding

3981
02:29:59,520 --> 02:30:02,560
other ways to do this. Um I think that

3982
02:30:02,560 --> 02:30:04,960
that means in the next year we work on

3983
02:30:04,960 --> 02:30:07,040
those things. I do know that if we do

3984
02:30:07,040 --> 02:30:09,200
some of those things, they will the

3985
02:30:09,200 --> 02:30:12,160
money does won't go to the general fund

3986
02:30:12,160 --> 02:30:15,840
based on how the cruise funding works.

3987
02:30:15,840 --> 02:30:17,439
However,

3988
02:30:17,439 --> 02:30:20,960
um, as Jack put it, if if we were to

3989
02:30:20,960 --> 02:30:24,560
find more money in another way and we do

3990
02:30:24,560 --> 02:30:27,359
take away the tax caps and stuff and

3991
02:30:27,359 --> 02:30:29,600
that provides us with more funding,

3992
02:30:29,600 --> 02:30:32,080
that's going to take time to set up.

3993
02:30:32,080 --> 02:30:34,960
Anything we do usually takes one to two

3994
02:30:34,960 --> 02:30:38,560
years to get set up. In the meantime,

3995
02:30:38,560 --> 02:30:40,960
we still have to pay the bill like Jack

3996
02:30:40,960 --> 02:30:44,080
said. And and I agree like I you know if

3997
02:30:44,080 --> 02:30:46,319
we can come up with a creative way to

3998
02:30:46,319 --> 02:30:49,359
get the funding we can always repeal the

3999
02:30:49,359 --> 02:30:51,920
tax.

4000
02:30:51,920 --> 02:30:52,389
>> Right.

4001
02:30:52,389 --> 02:30:52,399
» Right.

4002
02:30:52,399 --> 02:30:54,630
>> Uh this will be my last go. I was just

4003
02:30:54,630 --> 02:30:54,640
» Uh this will be my last go. I was just

4004
02:30:54,640 --> 02:30:56,080
going to make one point but I have to

4005
02:30:56,080 --> 02:31:00,479
make several now. uh one I'm sure that

4006
02:31:00,479 --> 02:31:03,040
compared if you factor in huge

4007
02:31:03,040 --> 02:31:05,120
metropolitan areas like New York and

4008
02:31:05,120 --> 02:31:07,280
California we may be somewhere near the

4009
02:31:07,280 --> 02:31:08,720
middle of taxation but when I look

4010
02:31:08,720 --> 02:31:12,640
across Alaska towns big and small we are

4011
02:31:12,640 --> 02:31:15,120
very very highly taxed and we seem to be

4012
02:31:15,120 --> 02:31:17,280
raising it more frequently than other

4013
02:31:17,280 --> 02:31:21,680
places. Uh, also with respect,

4014
02:31:21,680 --> 02:31:23,520
[snorts] I would not say this is an 11th

4015
02:31:23,520 --> 02:31:27,920
hour and 59th minute opposition to this.

4016
02:31:27,920 --> 02:31:30,319
I can only speak for myself, but also

4017
02:31:30,319 --> 02:31:33,120
other members of the council have been

4018
02:31:33,120 --> 02:31:35,120
in opposition to a lot of this spending.

4019
02:31:35,120 --> 02:31:37,680
For many many months and/or years,

4020
02:31:37,680 --> 02:31:39,200
attempts have been made to reduce

4021
02:31:39,200 --> 02:31:40,800
spending, to reduce the size of our

4022
02:31:40,800 --> 02:31:43,520
growing government, to uh make savings

4023
02:31:43,520 --> 02:31:46,640
all with the intent not to

4024
02:31:46,640 --> 02:31:49,359
uh not that we want to have less staff

4025
02:31:49,359 --> 02:31:51,680
or less things or less trucks or less

4026
02:31:51,680 --> 02:31:53,760
equipment, but that we know that at the

4027
02:31:53,760 --> 02:31:55,680
end every time we do these things, this

4028
02:31:55,680 --> 02:31:58,479
is the end result. So for me, for me,

4029
02:31:58,479 --> 02:32:01,439
every time I uncomfortably and with

4030
02:32:01,439 --> 02:32:04,240
great uh you know, a great amount of

4031
02:32:04,240 --> 02:32:06,560
thought put into it oppose things that

4032
02:32:06,560 --> 02:32:09,439
would be good to have or good to do. The

4033
02:32:09,439 --> 02:32:11,920
reason I'm opposing them is be to try to

4034
02:32:11,920 --> 02:32:14,399
avoid being where we are today. So with

4035
02:32:14,399 --> 02:32:16,399
all due respect, this is this is nothing

4036
02:32:16,399 --> 02:32:20,160
new for me. Uh, and I would also remind

4037
02:32:20,160 --> 02:32:22,479
that the the budget that was presented

4038
02:32:22,479 --> 02:32:25,280
and that we maybe made some amendments

4039
02:32:25,280 --> 02:32:27,600
to, not a whole lot, passed by one vote.

4040
02:32:27,600 --> 02:32:29,520
So, it's not as if the whole council has

4041
02:32:29,520 --> 02:32:31,280
been in support of the level of spending

4042
02:32:31,280 --> 02:32:33,920
that we've been presented for months on

4043
02:32:33,920 --> 02:32:38,000
end. Uh, also

4044
02:32:38,000 --> 02:32:40,399
I do think this is yet again another

4045
02:32:40,399 --> 02:32:41,840
reminder and this is something I've been

4046
02:32:41,840 --> 02:32:43,600
thinking about talking about. I know

4047
02:32:43,600 --> 02:32:46,319
there's a lot of opposition to it for

4048
02:32:46,319 --> 02:32:50,160
legal possible legal reasons, but with

4049
02:32:50,160 --> 02:32:52,160
like what Abby said with other areas

4050
02:32:52,160 --> 02:32:54,880
challenging and trying to get more out

4051
02:32:54,880 --> 02:32:57,040
of their cruise industries, I really

4052
02:32:57,040 --> 02:33:00,319
think long-term we ought to come up with

4053
02:33:00,319 --> 02:33:02,160
something that says every cruise ship

4054
02:33:02,160 --> 02:33:04,399
passenger that comes to catch a can is

4055
02:33:04,399 --> 02:33:07,120
going to pay it'll be factored in

4056
02:33:07,120 --> 02:33:10,319
separate from the CPV a small fee that's

4057
02:33:10,319 --> 02:33:12,960
going to go for all the things that they

4058
02:33:12,960 --> 02:33:16,160
use they use our garbage. So that's the

4059
02:33:16,160 --> 02:33:18,000
garbage has their own fund, but we raise

4060
02:33:18,000 --> 02:33:19,439
rates in there all the time. So that

4061
02:33:19,439 --> 02:33:21,040
would help with that. They use our

4062
02:33:21,040 --> 02:33:22,880
sewer. As we've heard, there's a great

4063
02:33:22,880 --> 02:33:24,479
need for bathrooms. Obviously, they're

4064
02:33:24,479 --> 02:33:25,840
doing something in the bathroom. They're

4065
02:33:25,840 --> 02:33:27,600
not freshening their hair. They're using

4066
02:33:27,600 --> 02:33:30,640
the sewer. So a little bit for that.

4067
02:33:30,640 --> 02:33:33,680
Same with water. Definitely the streets.

4068
02:33:33,680 --> 02:33:36,000
And I think long term we need to come up

4069
02:33:36,000 --> 02:33:38,720
with a plan that where we can charge a

4070
02:33:38,720 --> 02:33:40,319
little bit to each one of those tickets

4071
02:33:40,319 --> 02:33:42,160
that's going to go dedicated to those

4072
02:33:42,160 --> 02:33:44,560
funds. Some of those such as the streets

4073
02:33:44,560 --> 02:33:47,280
come out of the tax the uh general fund,

4074
02:33:47,280 --> 02:33:49,120
others are not, but they all need

4075
02:33:49,120 --> 02:33:51,280
funding and I think that the tourisms

4076
02:33:51,280 --> 02:33:52,880
needs to be paying more. I don't feel

4077
02:33:52,880 --> 02:33:54,399
they're paying their fair share in my

4078
02:33:54,399 --> 02:33:56,960
personal opinion. Uh, and with that, I

4079
02:33:56,960 --> 02:33:58,720
would like to make an amendment to this

4080
02:33:58,720 --> 02:34:01,920
motion, your honor, to include

4081
02:34:01,920 --> 02:34:06,800
the wording uh to lower the sales tax

4082
02:34:06,800 --> 02:34:08,720
0.5%

4083
02:34:08,720 --> 02:34:12,800
from October 1st through March 31st.

4084
02:34:12,800 --> 02:34:13,280
second.

4085
02:34:13,280 --> 02:34:15,270
>> In addition to this, that way we're

4086
02:34:15,270 --> 02:34:15,280
» In addition to this, that way we're

4087
02:34:15,280 --> 02:34:17,600
we're, as the finance director said,

4088
02:34:17,600 --> 02:34:19,840
we're going to capitalize on that nice

4089
02:34:19,840 --> 02:34:23,359
extra tourism revenue during the summer,

4090
02:34:23,359 --> 02:34:24,880
which is also going to be the same cost

4091
02:34:24,880 --> 02:34:26,319
to our people, but at least when the

4092
02:34:26,319 --> 02:34:28,880
cruise ships go away, we can do a small

4093
02:34:28,880 --> 02:34:30,560
alleviation. And I know that that's

4094
02:34:30,560 --> 02:34:32,000
obviously not going to bring in as much

4095
02:34:32,000 --> 02:34:34,000
money, but we collect much more during

4096
02:34:34,000 --> 02:34:36,160
the summer due to that. So, at least

4097
02:34:36,160 --> 02:34:39,280
this is some amount of an alleviation

4098
02:34:39,280 --> 02:34:41,680
for the long-term residents

4099
02:34:41,680 --> 02:34:43,110
>> or year round residents.

4100
02:34:43,110 --> 02:34:43,120
» or year round residents.

4101
02:34:43,120 --> 02:34:46,469
>> Abby,

4102
02:34:46,479 --> 02:34:48,240
» are we talking now about the amendment?

4103
02:34:48,240 --> 02:34:48,790
>> Yes.

4104
02:34:48,790 --> 02:34:48,800
» Yes.

4105
02:34:48,800 --> 02:34:51,990
>> Okay.

4106
02:34:52,000 --> 02:34:53,680
» I guess your turn.

4107
02:34:53,680 --> 02:34:56,389
>> I uh the amendment winter. I think it's

4108
02:34:56,389 --> 02:34:56,399
» I uh the amendment winter. I think it's

4109
02:34:56,399 --> 02:34:58,800
a great idea. I didn't think of that. Um

4110
02:34:58,800 --> 02:35:01,200
that would directly positively impact

4111
02:35:01,200 --> 02:35:04,240
our residents. Uh I do just have a few

4112
02:35:04,240 --> 02:35:06,560
comments in general on this is I hear

4113
02:35:06,560 --> 02:35:08,720
time and time again about tourists and

4114
02:35:08,720 --> 02:35:10,399
it's we're we're concerned about the

4115
02:35:10,399 --> 02:35:13,520
tourists paying a sales tax.

4116
02:35:13,520 --> 02:35:15,680
I apologize to Bizard. I could care less

4117
02:35:15,680 --> 02:35:17,520
how much they pay in sales tax. It's

4118
02:35:17,520 --> 02:35:19,359
great that they pay it. I'm concerned

4119
02:35:19,359 --> 02:35:20,960
about the people who are here buying

4120
02:35:20,960 --> 02:35:22,880
groceries. Those are the people I'm

4121
02:35:22,880 --> 02:35:24,399
concerned about because unfortunately

4122
02:35:24,399 --> 02:35:26,640
they're affected too. These decisions

4123
02:35:26,640 --> 02:35:28,560
affect them. We just increased their

4124
02:35:28,560 --> 02:35:30,960
their water rate, their sewer rate. It

4125
02:35:30,960 --> 02:35:34,880
will be electric rate and

4126
02:35:34,880 --> 02:35:37,920
harbor fund and solid waste next. Like

4127
02:35:37,920 --> 02:35:39,840
those are all coming. Those directly

4128
02:35:39,840 --> 02:35:43,200
impact our residents.

4129
02:35:43,200 --> 02:35:44,720
If there was a way to target this just

4130
02:35:44,720 --> 02:35:46,720
to visitors, sign me up. Let's increase

4131
02:35:46,720 --> 02:35:48,880
this 20%. Let's make some revenue. But

4132
02:35:48,880 --> 02:35:50,560
it's not. I'm worried about the

4133
02:35:50,560 --> 02:35:51,840
residents who are going to have to pay

4134
02:35:51,840 --> 02:35:56,640
this. I'm also We have $120,000 that

4135
02:35:56,640 --> 02:35:58,399
went to the general fund from cruise

4136
02:35:58,399 --> 02:36:00,560
ship sales tax. has nothing to do. It's

4137
02:36:00,560 --> 02:36:03,600
not tied to CPB funds. Warfridge that is

4138
02:36:03,600 --> 02:36:05,359
$120,000

4139
02:36:05,359 --> 02:36:07,600
extra into our general fund that we

4140
02:36:07,600 --> 02:36:09,520
hadn't anticipated and that's going to

4141
02:36:09,520 --> 02:36:12,000
increase for next year. So, there's all

4142
02:36:12,000 --> 02:36:13,760
these other revenue sources that I know

4143
02:36:13,760 --> 02:36:16,080
we can't factor in this specific amount,

4144
02:36:16,080 --> 02:36:18,640
but we can factor in there is going to

4145
02:36:18,640 --> 02:36:21,520
be revenue that can be used.

4146
02:36:21,520 --> 02:36:23,760
If there's any way to if this has to go

4147
02:36:23,760 --> 02:36:25,760
through, I mean, if we can lower it for

4148
02:36:25,760 --> 02:36:28,800
the locals in the wintertime,

4149
02:36:28,800 --> 02:36:31,760
I'm hugely in support of of that part of

4150
02:36:31,760 --> 02:36:33,439
this amendment.

4151
02:36:33,439 --> 02:36:38,399
The last thing that I have on here is I

4152
02:36:38,399 --> 02:36:40,000
normally I don't get offended at this

4153
02:36:40,000 --> 02:36:41,359
table by another council member's

4154
02:36:41,359 --> 02:36:43,600
comments. I mean, we've we've had some

4155
02:36:43,600 --> 02:36:45,920
great discussions, some crazy arguments,

4156
02:36:45,920 --> 02:36:48,240
and it typically doesn't bother me. Uh,

4157
02:36:48,240 --> 02:36:49,600
you know, usually we walk away, have a

4158
02:36:49,600 --> 02:36:51,600
good night, and move on.

4159
02:36:51,600 --> 02:36:54,240
But quite frankly, to hear multiple

4160
02:36:54,240 --> 02:36:56,800
times at this table, well, nobody's

4161
02:36:56,800 --> 02:36:59,760
brought forth ideas to cut this budget

4162
02:36:59,760 --> 02:37:01,359
to make sure we didn't have to increase

4163
02:37:01,359 --> 02:37:04,880
this is extremely frustrating because I

4164
02:37:04,880 --> 02:37:07,040
specifically sat here and asked for

4165
02:37:07,040 --> 02:37:11,120
$500,000 cut [snorts] of unfilled

4166
02:37:11,120 --> 02:37:14,160
positions. Nobody was impacted. No

4167
02:37:14,160 --> 02:37:16,560
single independent person would lost

4168
02:37:16,560 --> 02:37:19,920
their job or anything. and everybody

4169
02:37:19,920 --> 02:37:22,560
here said, "Nope, we want to make sure

4170
02:37:22,560 --> 02:37:24,640
we can fill those spots." So, I'm

4171
02:37:24,640 --> 02:37:26,880
extremely annoyed hearing it time after

4172
02:37:26,880 --> 02:37:29,120
time that nobody's coming up with

4173
02:37:29,120 --> 02:37:31,359
suggestions and there are suggestions

4174
02:37:31,359 --> 02:37:34,720
that don't impact our active staff. And

4175
02:37:34,720 --> 02:37:37,280
so, please tread lightly on those

4176
02:37:37,280 --> 02:37:39,120
comments. I mean, I don't sit here and

4177
02:37:39,120 --> 02:37:41,520
bash other council members for their

4178
02:37:41,520 --> 02:37:43,520
comments or their ideas. Maybe don't

4179
02:37:43,520 --> 02:37:45,040
support it. we have great conversations,

4180
02:37:45,040 --> 02:37:46,800
but continuously repeating those words

4181
02:37:46,800 --> 02:37:49,040
and saying we're waiting till the last

4182
02:37:49,040 --> 02:37:54,000
hour um to to bring up suggestions. Uh I

4183
02:37:54,000 --> 02:37:56,000
just I brought up those suggestions back

4184
02:37:56,000 --> 02:37:58,560
in July and 6 months later I'm still

4185
02:37:58,560 --> 02:38:00,880
begging for it, you know. So I just want

4186
02:38:00,880 --> 02:38:03,439
people to really be mindful of their

4187
02:38:03,439 --> 02:38:06,080
their comments and I'm not going after

4188
02:38:06,080 --> 02:38:07,600
the tourists. I'm trying to protect our

4189
02:38:07,600 --> 02:38:09,280
residents.

4190
02:38:09,280 --> 02:38:11,190
>> Great.

4191
02:38:11,190 --> 02:38:11,200
» Great.

4192
02:38:11,200 --> 02:38:13,200
Just a clarification on the amendment.

4193
02:38:13,200 --> 02:38:15,600
So, are we saying with this amendment

4194
02:38:15,600 --> 02:38:18,319
we're going to reduce the se uh winter

4195
02:38:18,319 --> 02:38:21,120
tax to 5%.

4196
02:38:21,120 --> 02:38:23,280
You mean additional 0.5%.

4197
02:38:23,280 --> 02:38:26,870
>> So, the original proposal is a 0.5%

4198
02:38:26,870 --> 02:38:26,880
» So, the original proposal is a 0.5%

4199
02:38:26,880 --> 02:38:29,359
increase in the summer. This would

4200
02:38:29,359 --> 02:38:32,150
>> lower 0.5 in the winter.

4201
02:38:32,150 --> 02:38:32,160
» lower 0.5 in the winter.

4202
02:38:32,160 --> 02:38:34,790
>> So, that was always the case, right?

4203
02:38:34,790 --> 02:38:34,800
» So, that was always the case, right?

4204
02:38:34,800 --> 02:38:37,030
>> No, I mean from where we are now.

4205
02:38:37,030 --> 02:38:37,040
» No, I mean from where we are now.

4206
02:38:37,040 --> 02:38:39,270
>> Yeah. But if you raise 0.5 for the

4207
02:38:39,270 --> 02:38:39,280
» Yeah. But if you raise 0.5 for the

4208
02:38:39,280 --> 02:38:41,520
seasonal, it automatically goes away in

4209
02:38:41,520 --> 02:38:45,120
the winter. I am proposing an additional

4210
02:38:45,120 --> 02:38:47,280
subtraction of%

4211
02:38:47,280 --> 02:38:50,710
>> that makes the tax rate 5% not 5.5% in

4212
02:38:50,710 --> 02:38:50,720
» that makes the tax rate 5% not 5.5% in

4213
02:38:50,720 --> 02:38:51,600
the winter.

4214
02:38:51,600 --> 02:38:52,070
>> Correct.

4215
02:38:52,070 --> 02:38:52,080
» Correct.

4216
02:38:52,080 --> 02:38:52,230
>> Okay,

4217
02:38:52,230 --> 02:38:52,240
» Okay,

4218
02:38:52,240 --> 02:38:54,950
>> that's what my clarification was. Yeah,

4219
02:38:54,950 --> 02:38:54,960
» that's what my clarification was. Yeah,

4220
02:38:54,960 --> 02:38:55,429
>> Michelle.

4221
02:38:55,429 --> 02:38:55,439
» Michelle.

4222
02:38:55,439 --> 02:38:57,270
>> So, your honor, I just want to point out

4223
02:38:57,270 --> 02:38:57,280
» So, your honor, I just want to point out

4224
02:38:57,280 --> 02:39:02,880
that in the from October to March,

4225
02:39:02,880 --> 02:39:06,720
the general fund uses 0.5%.

4226
02:39:06,720 --> 02:39:09,840
And this increase is specifically to

4227
02:39:09,840 --> 02:39:12,640
increase four general fund revenues.

4228
02:39:12,640 --> 02:39:16,080
The other 1% in the off season is

4229
02:39:16,080 --> 02:39:19,200
hospital sales tax and 1.15 to the

4230
02:39:19,200 --> 02:39:21,040
public works sales tax fund to fund

4231
02:39:21,040 --> 02:39:25,200
capital projects. So 1% is for debt

4232
02:39:25,200 --> 02:39:28,080
service in the hospital sales tax fund,

4233
02:39:28,080 --> 02:39:30,880
one and a half% for capital projects. If

4234
02:39:30,880 --> 02:39:34,319
you reduce the general fund by 0.5,

4235
02:39:34,319 --> 02:39:38,160
it will receive zero sales tax revenues

4236
02:39:38,160 --> 02:39:42,479
for the October to December quarter and

4237
02:39:42,479 --> 02:39:44,960
the January through March quarter. I

4238
02:39:44,960 --> 02:39:48,240
just want the council to understand what

4239
02:39:48,240 --> 02:39:51,359
that would mean.

4240
02:39:51,359 --> 02:39:53,120
So

4241
02:39:53,120 --> 02:39:55,200
from my perspective,

4242
02:39:55,200 --> 02:39:58,160
if you reduce the tax, don't pass the

4243
02:39:58,160 --> 02:40:00,080
half percent.

4244
02:40:00,080 --> 02:40:02,000
All we're doing is taking money out of

4245
02:40:02,000 --> 02:40:05,359
reserves. We're not we're going deeper

4246
02:40:05,359 --> 02:40:06,800
into the hole. We're trying to work our

4247
02:40:06,800 --> 02:40:09,200
way out of that hole. We all understood

4248
02:40:09,200 --> 02:40:11,200
that we passed the union contracts or

4249
02:40:11,200 --> 02:40:12,800
the labor contracts that we have that

4250
02:40:12,800 --> 02:40:14,960
there was a cost associated with that

4251
02:40:14,960 --> 02:40:17,840
and the opportunity was given to do this

4252
02:40:17,840 --> 02:40:20,960
half a percent sales tax to to make up

4253
02:40:20,960 --> 02:40:23,760
for that. If you don't next year you're

4254
02:40:23,760 --> 02:40:25,280
going to have to be more. It's going to

4255
02:40:25,280 --> 02:40:27,280
be double that. If you don't make a

4256
02:40:27,280 --> 02:40:30,160
small increment at some point the larger

4257
02:40:30,160 --> 02:40:31,600
aggregate is going to catch up with you

4258
02:40:31,600 --> 02:40:33,040
and that's what's happened. It's

4259
02:40:33,040 --> 02:40:35,439
interesting. This is the same discussion

4260
02:40:35,439 --> 02:40:37,439
we had 16 years ago when I started on

4261
02:40:37,439 --> 02:40:40,160
the council and every year since then.

4262
02:40:40,160 --> 02:40:42,080
Nobody likes to talk about taxes. Nobody

4263
02:40:42,080 --> 02:40:45,200
want to talk about uh rate structures.

4264
02:40:45,200 --> 02:40:48,240
It's it's difficult. I get that. And and

4265
02:40:48,240 --> 02:40:50,080
our economy isn't growing. That's a

4266
02:40:50,080 --> 02:40:51,760
fact. People aren't making more money.

4267
02:40:51,760 --> 02:40:52,960
You know, there in some sectors they

4268
02:40:52,960 --> 02:40:55,439
are, but across the board we have we

4269
02:40:55,439 --> 02:40:57,359
have, you know, certain factors that are

4270
02:40:57,359 --> 02:40:59,680
are struggling.

4271
02:40:59,680 --> 02:41:02,240
Um but we have an obligation to run the

4272
02:41:02,240 --> 02:41:04,000
city. Uh we went through a budget

4273
02:41:04,000 --> 02:41:06,160
process and I agree we put up a lot of

4274
02:41:06,160 --> 02:41:08,479
good ideas. Some made it, some of them

4275
02:41:08,479 --> 02:41:12,479
didn't. Um and and I've made with

4276
02:41:12,479 --> 02:41:14,479
myself, I started working on the budget

4277
02:41:14,479 --> 02:41:16,640
two days after we passed the budget for

4278
02:41:16,640 --> 02:41:19,040
next year because there's some concerns

4279
02:41:19,040 --> 02:41:22,640
I have in regards to

4280
02:41:22,640 --> 02:41:24,720
um operating budget and capital budgets

4281
02:41:24,720 --> 02:41:26,240
as we talked about. But those are

4282
02:41:26,240 --> 02:41:27,439
discussions that we're going to have to

4283
02:41:27,439 --> 02:41:28,880
have throughout the year. More meetings,

4284
02:41:28,880 --> 02:41:30,640
but throughout the year to better

4285
02:41:30,640 --> 02:41:33,040
understand it so that and we got to get

4286
02:41:33,040 --> 02:41:35,439
better buyin, I think from from staff

4287
02:41:35,439 --> 02:41:38,240
because um our department heads are the

4288
02:41:38,240 --> 02:41:40,399
ones that are managing our budgets and

4289
02:41:40,399 --> 02:41:42,560
if we're going to cut them or if we're

4290
02:41:42,560 --> 02:41:43,600
going to ask them to cut them, they're

4291
02:41:43,600 --> 02:41:45,280
the ones that should do that because if

4292
02:41:45,280 --> 02:41:46,319
I cut them, it's going to be in the

4293
02:41:46,319 --> 02:41:49,439
wrong place. We're going to run short.

4294
02:41:49,439 --> 02:41:52,080
But I I support this this tax. I know

4295
02:41:52,080 --> 02:41:55,520
it's tough. It's a difficult time. Um, I

4296
02:41:55,520 --> 02:41:57,120
just

4297
02:41:57,120 --> 02:41:58,960
was reading a trend magazine. One of the

4298
02:41:58,960 --> 02:42:00,720
things that popped up and I read I wrote

4299
02:42:00,720 --> 02:42:02,560
down here was local governments will

4300
02:42:02,560 --> 02:42:04,000
continue to weigh residential

4301
02:42:04,000 --> 02:42:06,640
expectations for services such as snow

4302
02:42:06,640 --> 02:42:08,560
removal, road maintenance, permitting

4303
02:42:08,560 --> 02:42:11,040
and public safety with the reality of

4304
02:42:11,040 --> 02:42:13,439
short staffing, budget constraints and

4305
02:42:13,439 --> 02:42:16,080
aging equipment and infrastructure. And

4306
02:42:16,080 --> 02:42:18,720
this is across the state.

4307
02:42:18,720 --> 02:42:21,520
This so all we do is provide services.

4308
02:42:21,520 --> 02:42:22,960
And if we want to save money, you just

4309
02:42:22,960 --> 02:42:24,640
got to tell us what services we want to

4310
02:42:24,640 --> 02:42:27,520
cut or reduce.

4311
02:42:27,520 --> 02:42:30,319
That's what it comes down to. Want less

4312
02:42:30,319 --> 02:42:33,040
police, we can save money. You want less

4313
02:42:33,040 --> 02:42:35,200
fire, we can save money. You want your

4314
02:42:35,200 --> 02:42:39,520
garbage picked up only two days a week,

4315
02:42:39,520 --> 02:42:41,040
you know, whatever you want to do. If we

4316
02:42:41,040 --> 02:42:42,560
want to close a landfill, I mean, those

4317
02:42:42,560 --> 02:42:43,680
are things that we do because all we do

4318
02:42:43,680 --> 02:42:46,000
is provide services. And the only way

4319
02:42:46,000 --> 02:42:47,439
that we can make end meet because the

4320
02:42:47,439 --> 02:42:51,120
cost we have a 2.7% cost living which is

4321
02:42:51,120 --> 02:42:52,720
great because it's lower than it has

4322
02:42:52,720 --> 02:42:54,399
been.

4323
02:42:54,399 --> 02:42:56,560
But that cost of living affects

4324
02:42:56,560 --> 02:42:59,280
everything that we buy as a city. And

4325
02:42:59,280 --> 02:43:01,359
it's not just tourism. I agree with you.

4326
02:43:01,359 --> 02:43:03,680
There's more people in Ketchacan that

4327
02:43:03,680 --> 02:43:09,439
shop on the internet taxfree.

4328
02:43:09,439 --> 02:43:11,439
So when we talk about tax revenues,

4329
02:43:11,439 --> 02:43:13,040
that's part of what's reducing that.

4330
02:43:13,040 --> 02:43:15,920
they can get it cheaper elsewhere.

4331
02:43:15,920 --> 02:43:17,439
It's just the reality of what the

4332
02:43:17,439 --> 02:43:19,760
internet is. We don't we're not hiring

4333
02:43:19,760 --> 02:43:21,120
employees because they're buying the

4334
02:43:21,120 --> 02:43:22,800
stuff on the internet and we not selling

4335
02:43:22,800 --> 02:43:24,319
it out of the stores. That that's the

4336
02:43:24,319 --> 02:43:26,640
fact. People are buying groceries.

4337
02:43:26,640 --> 02:43:28,160
People are buying dry goods. They're

4338
02:43:28,160 --> 02:43:29,760
buying building supplies. They're not

4339
02:43:29,760 --> 02:43:31,280
buying them catch can. They're buying

4340
02:43:31,280 --> 02:43:33,520
them down south because it's cheaper and

4341
02:43:33,520 --> 02:43:36,720
we don't get the tax revenue on that.

4342
02:43:36,720 --> 02:43:40,160
So, it's not it's not just the fact that

4343
02:43:40,160 --> 02:43:42,000
we have to raise this rate. There's a

4344
02:43:42,000 --> 02:43:44,080
lot of things that are impacting the

4345
02:43:44,080 --> 02:43:46,319
rates that the the sales tax that we

4346
02:43:46,319 --> 02:43:48,640
collect. People are going to do le and

4347
02:43:48,640 --> 02:43:50,160
are doing less are putting off project

4348
02:43:50,160 --> 02:43:54,800
just like we are. So um I think that we

4349
02:43:54,800 --> 02:43:56,800
have an obligation we we but we we pass

4350
02:43:56,800 --> 02:43:58,399
the budget and we have an obligation to

4351
02:43:58,399 --> 02:44:00,160
fund it. If we don't those monies just

4352
02:44:00,160 --> 02:44:02,720
come out of reserve if we reduce it by a

4353
02:44:02,720 --> 02:44:04,640
half percent we're not putting the money

4354
02:44:04,640 --> 02:44:07,600
into our general government. So, we're

4355
02:44:07,600 --> 02:44:10,240
not getting the revenues to support the

4356
02:44:10,240 --> 02:44:13,520
capital projects or the the um public

4357
02:44:13,520 --> 02:44:15,520
works operating budget because we're not

4358
02:44:15,520 --> 02:44:16,880
collecting any tax. We want to reduce

4359
02:44:16,880 --> 02:44:20,399
it. So, by reducing the tax,

4360
02:44:20,399 --> 02:44:22,080
we're compounding the problem we're

4361
02:44:22,080 --> 02:44:24,880
going to have on this table of balance.

4362
02:44:24,880 --> 02:44:26,870
>> I think that we can do better. If I

4363
02:44:26,870 --> 02:44:26,880
» I think that we can do better. If I

4364
02:44:26,880 --> 02:44:28,960
could on that just to clarify so

4365
02:44:28,960 --> 02:44:30,399
everyone's clear,

4366
02:44:30,399 --> 02:44:32,790
>> the amendment is to keep staff's

4367
02:44:32,790 --> 02:44:32,800
» the amendment is to keep staff's

4368
02:44:32,800 --> 02:44:34,479
recommended

4369
02:44:34,479 --> 02:44:37,120
summer increase where they as they have

4370
02:44:37,120 --> 02:44:38,319
presented

4371
02:44:38,319 --> 02:44:40,710
>> we collect more sales tax and then the

4372
02:44:40,710 --> 02:44:40,720
» we collect more sales tax and then the

4373
02:44:40,720 --> 02:44:42,240
decrease is just in the winter. So we're

4374
02:44:42,240 --> 02:44:44,000
still going to be net more than we are

4375
02:44:44,000 --> 02:44:44,640
currently.

4376
02:44:44,640 --> 02:44:47,269
>> But but maybe we don't know that because

4377
02:44:47,269 --> 02:44:47,279
» But but maybe we don't know that because

4378
02:44:47,279 --> 02:44:49,120
10:00 revenues right now showed that we

4379
02:44:49,120 --> 02:44:50,479
were right where we were before. Is that

4380
02:44:50,479 --> 02:44:51,520
correct?

4381
02:44:51,520 --> 02:44:51,990
>> Correct.

4382
02:44:51,990 --> 02:44:52,000
» Correct.

4383
02:44:52,000 --> 02:44:53,510
>> Yeah. But we're going to still raise it

4384
02:44:53,510 --> 02:44:53,520
» Yeah. But we're going to still raise it

4385
02:44:53,520 --> 02:44:55,120
a half percent in the summer. Mhm.

4386
02:44:55,120 --> 02:44:57,429
>> But if you you reduce it in the winter,

4387
02:44:57,429 --> 02:44:57,439
» But if you you reduce it in the winter,

4388
02:44:57,439 --> 02:44:58,720
all that has gone away. We haven't

4389
02:44:58,720 --> 02:44:59,920
funded anything.

4390
02:44:59,920 --> 02:45:01,269
>> But it's not all done away because we

4391
02:45:01,269 --> 02:45:01,279
» But it's not all done away because we

4392
02:45:01,279 --> 02:45:03,760
spend way more in the summer or people.

4393
02:45:03,760 --> 02:45:04,790
>> Yeah, we probably collect more sales

4394
02:45:04,790 --> 02:45:04,800
» Yeah, we probably collect more sales

4395
02:45:04,800 --> 02:45:06,880
tax. Yeah,

4396
02:45:06,880 --> 02:45:08,150
>> I agree with you.

4397
02:45:08,150 --> 02:45:08,160
» I agree with you.

4398
02:45:08,160 --> 02:45:09,030
>> No doubt.

4399
02:45:09,030 --> 02:45:09,040
» No doubt.

4400
02:45:09,040 --> 02:45:10,870
>> We do collect more in the summer, but

4401
02:45:10,870 --> 02:45:10,880
» We do collect more in the summer, but

4402
02:45:10,880 --> 02:45:13,200
there's an incremental difference and

4403
02:45:13,200 --> 02:45:15,520
I'd have to look at what our sales for

4404
02:45:15,520 --> 02:45:18,319
those quarters look like. But yes, we

4405
02:45:18,319 --> 02:45:20,800
would be reducing sales tax. It wouldn't

4406
02:45:20,800 --> 02:45:23,359
be the 1.2 to that we're projecting with

4407
02:45:23,359 --> 02:45:24,479
the half a percent.

4408
02:45:24,479 --> 02:45:26,790
>> Well, I I I sat at this table where we

4409
02:45:26,790 --> 02:45:26,800
» Well, I I I sat at this table where we

4410
02:45:26,800 --> 02:45:29,600
all work real hard to reduce the budget

4411
02:45:29,600 --> 02:45:31,760
and and more efficient at what we do.

4412
02:45:31,760 --> 02:45:33,520
And we asked our department stuff to do.

4413
02:45:33,520 --> 02:45:35,840
We made small

4414
02:45:35,840 --> 02:45:38,000
um increments of excess, but probably

4415
02:45:38,000 --> 02:45:41,439
not enough. So, um, I think we got to we

4416
02:45:41,439 --> 02:45:42,560
there's going to be a lot of the same

4417
02:45:42,560 --> 02:45:44,080
people sitting here next year that we

4418
02:45:44,080 --> 02:45:45,359
got to do a better job of what we're

4419
02:45:45,359 --> 02:45:47,279
doing to get that information earlier on

4420
02:45:47,279 --> 02:45:49,439
throughout the year in regards to what

4421
02:45:49,439 --> 02:45:51,040
our spending is in regards to capital

4422
02:45:51,040 --> 02:45:54,000
budgets, our operating budgets, but we

4423
02:45:54,000 --> 02:45:55,439
passed the budget and I think we need to

4424
02:45:55,439 --> 02:45:57,279
fund it.

4425
02:45:57,279 --> 02:45:57,750
>> Yeah.

4426
02:45:57,750 --> 02:45:57,760
» Yeah.

4427
02:45:57,760 --> 02:45:58,950
>> Just a clarifying question for me, your

4428
02:45:58,950 --> 02:45:58,960
» Just a clarifying question for me, your

4429
02:45:58,960 --> 02:46:00,240
honor. Uh if we were to pass this

4430
02:46:00,240 --> 02:46:01,920
amendment, because we're in first

4431
02:46:01,920 --> 02:46:04,399
reading on this uh on this motion, would

4432
02:46:04,399 --> 02:46:06,640
that give staff time to present to us

4433
02:46:06,640 --> 02:46:08,080
some information about what the impact

4434
02:46:08,080 --> 02:46:09,920
of that decrease in the offse might be?

4435
02:46:09,920 --> 02:46:10,319
Okay,

4436
02:46:10,319 --> 02:46:11,670
>> thank you.

4437
02:46:11,670 --> 02:46:11,680
» thank you.

4438
02:46:11,680 --> 02:46:14,150
>> So now we have amendment on the floor to

4439
02:46:14,150 --> 02:46:14,160
» So now we have amendment on the floor to

4440
02:46:14,160 --> 02:46:19,359
reduce the winter sales tax by

4441
02:46:19,359 --> 02:46:20,160
half%.

4442
02:46:20,160 --> 02:46:21,590
>> Yes.

4443
02:46:21,590 --> 02:46:21,600
» Yes.

4444
02:46:21,600 --> 02:46:23,830
>> Correct.

4445
02:46:23,830 --> 02:46:23,840
» Correct.

4446
02:46:23,840 --> 02:46:25,190
>> So that way I

4447
02:46:25,190 --> 02:46:25,200
» So that way I

4448
02:46:25,200 --> 02:46:26,790
>> No, no, that would be the amended here.

4449
02:46:26,790 --> 02:46:26,800
» No, no, that would be the amended here.

4450
02:46:26,800 --> 02:46:29,520
Correct. No, I'm just clarify. Remind me

4451
02:46:29,520 --> 02:46:31,040
what the um

4452
02:46:31,040 --> 02:46:33,670
>> and and keep the 5%

4453
02:46:33,670 --> 02:46:33,680
» and and keep the 5%

4454
02:46:33,680 --> 02:46:33,910
>> sales

4455
02:46:33,910 --> 02:46:33,920
» sales

4456
02:46:33,920 --> 02:46:36,389
>> tax

4457
02:46:36,389 --> 02:46:36,399
» tax

4458
02:46:36,399 --> 02:46:39,359
already lower it in the winter

4459
02:46:39,359 --> 02:46:40,800
further.

4460
02:46:40,800 --> 02:46:43,590
>> So it would go down an additional

4461
02:46:43,590 --> 02:46:43,600
» So it would go down an additional

4462
02:46:43,600 --> 02:46:45,110
>> we're going to go up an additional of

4463
02:46:45,110 --> 02:46:45,120
» we're going to go up an additional of

4464
02:46:45,120 --> 02:46:46,640
what we already are and this would bring

4465
02:46:46,640 --> 02:46:49,359
us down an additional.5 in the summer.

4466
02:46:49,359 --> 02:46:51,110
>> So that would take us to what?

4467
02:46:51,110 --> 02:46:51,120
» So that would take us to what?

4468
02:46:51,120 --> 02:46:52,550
>> 2.5

4469
02:46:52,550 --> 02:46:52,560
» 2.5

4470
02:46:52,560 --> 02:46:56,150
>> in the winter. So then that pays 1% goes

4471
02:46:56,150 --> 02:46:56,160
» in the winter. So then that pays 1% goes

4472
02:46:56,160 --> 02:46:58,160
to the hospital fund, right?

4473
02:46:58,160 --> 02:46:58,630
>> Yeah.

4474
02:46:58,630 --> 02:46:58,640
» Yeah.

4475
02:46:58,640 --> 02:47:00,469
>> And then what is the other?

4476
02:47:00,469 --> 02:47:00,479
» And then what is the other?

4477
02:47:00,479 --> 02:47:02,469
>> One and a half% goes to the public work

4478
02:47:02,469 --> 02:47:02,479
» One and a half% goes to the public work

4479
02:47:02,479 --> 02:47:05,120
sales tax fund. So 0% would go to the

4480
02:47:05,120 --> 02:47:07,920
general fund October through

4481
02:47:07,920 --> 02:47:09,590
>> Yeah. We lose money

4482
02:47:09,590 --> 02:47:09,600
» Yeah. We lose money

4483
02:47:09,600 --> 02:47:11,030
>> and then in the summer we gain much

4484
02:47:11,030 --> 02:47:11,040
» and then in the summer we gain much

4485
02:47:11,040 --> 02:47:12,240
more.

4486
02:47:12,240 --> 02:47:14,230
>> Not enough money. But did you have

4487
02:47:14,230 --> 02:47:14,240
» Not enough money. But did you have

4488
02:47:14,240 --> 02:47:15,040
something Lacy?

4489
02:47:15,040 --> 02:47:17,750
>> I I just wanted to clarify. So with the

4490
02:47:17,750 --> 02:47:17,760
» I I just wanted to clarify. So with the

4491
02:47:17,760 --> 02:47:21,120
amendment in the summer you would have a

4492
02:47:21,120 --> 02:47:24,319
6% sales tax and in the winter you would

4493
02:47:24,319 --> 02:47:26,160
have a 2.5%

4494
02:47:26,160 --> 02:47:30,230
sales tax.

4495
02:47:30,240 --> 02:47:31,920
» That's what that's what he's saying.

4496
02:47:31,920 --> 02:47:33,590
>> Yeah. I'm just I just I wanted to make

4497
02:47:33,590 --> 02:47:33,600
» Yeah. I'm just I just I wanted to make

4498
02:47:33,600 --> 02:47:34,720
that

4499
02:47:34,720 --> 02:47:37,190
>> that's the if the amendment passes but

4500
02:47:37,190 --> 02:47:37,200
» that's the if the amendment passes but

4501
02:47:37,200 --> 02:47:40,479
the other the main me motion as amended

4502
02:47:40,479 --> 02:47:43,359
fails well it goes. No, no. He's already

4503
02:47:43,359 --> 02:47:47,040
put into his motion to do the 5% half

4504
02:47:47,040 --> 02:47:50,080
percent that we talked right increase in

4505
02:47:50,080 --> 02:47:50,640
the summer.

4506
02:47:50,640 --> 02:47:52,710
>> The only amendment I am making currently

4507
02:47:52,710 --> 02:47:52,720
» The only amendment I am making currently

4508
02:47:52,720 --> 02:47:53,680
is

4509
02:47:53,680 --> 02:47:55,510
>> to do the decrease. The rest of the

4510
02:47:55,510 --> 02:47:55,520
» to do the decrease. The rest of the

4511
02:47:55,520 --> 02:47:56,800
motion would remain. So, we would still

4512
02:47:56,800 --> 02:47:58,960
have to vote if the amendment passes, we

4513
02:47:58,960 --> 02:48:00,479
would still vote on the main motion with

4514
02:48:00,479 --> 02:48:01,760
the amendment added.

4515
02:48:01,760 --> 02:48:04,469
>> So, the motion is to reduce the winner

4516
02:48:04,469 --> 02:48:04,479
» So, the motion is to reduce the winner

4517
02:48:04,479 --> 02:48:06,800
tax rate by a half a percent.

4518
02:48:06,800 --> 02:48:09,590
>> Yeah.

4519
02:48:09,590 --> 02:48:09,600
» Yeah.

4520
02:48:09,600 --> 02:48:11,990
>> Please call the role.

4521
02:48:11,990 --> 02:48:12,000
» Please call the role.

4522
02:48:12,000 --> 02:48:12,640
Gage,

4523
02:48:12,640 --> 02:48:14,630
>> no.

4524
02:48:14,630 --> 02:48:14,640
» no.

4525
02:48:14,640 --> 02:48:15,429
>> Bradbury,

4526
02:48:15,429 --> 02:48:15,439
» Bradbury,

4527
02:48:15,439 --> 02:48:16,550
>> yes.

4528
02:48:16,550 --> 02:48:16,560
» yes.

4529
02:48:16,560 --> 02:48:17,269
>> Finnegan,

4530
02:48:17,269 --> 02:48:17,279
» Finnegan,

4531
02:48:17,279 --> 02:48:18,550
>> yes.

4532
02:48:18,550 --> 02:48:18,560
» yes.

4533
02:48:18,560 --> 02:48:19,830
>> Gas,

4534
02:48:19,830 --> 02:48:19,840
» Gas,

4535
02:48:19,840 --> 02:48:20,870
>> yes.

4536
02:48:20,870 --> 02:48:20,880
» yes.

4537
02:48:20,880 --> 02:48:21,750
>> Matani,

4538
02:48:21,750 --> 02:48:21,760
» Matani,

4539
02:48:21,760 --> 02:48:23,110
>> yes.

4540
02:48:23,110 --> 02:48:23,120
» yes.

4541
02:48:23,120 --> 02:48:23,750
>> Zingy,

4542
02:48:23,750 --> 02:48:23,760
» Zingy,

4543
02:48:23,760 --> 02:48:24,230
>> yes.

4544
02:48:24,230 --> 02:48:24,240
» yes.

4545
02:48:24,240 --> 02:48:26,230
>> And that passes, your honor.

4546
02:48:26,230 --> 02:48:26,240
» And that passes, your honor.

4547
02:48:26,240 --> 02:48:27,910
>> So, we're back to the main motion in

4548
02:48:27,910 --> 02:48:27,920
» So, we're back to the main motion in

4549
02:48:27,920 --> 02:48:31,439
regards to the half percent.

4550
02:48:31,439 --> 02:48:33,030
>> Yes. Abby.

4551
02:48:33,030 --> 02:48:33,040
» Yes. Abby.

4552
02:48:33,040 --> 02:48:35,590
>> Um, I would like to make a another

4553
02:48:35,590 --> 02:48:35,600
» Um, I would like to make a another

4554
02:48:35,600 --> 02:48:40,479
motion, your honor. Um,

4555
02:48:40,479 --> 02:48:43,279
I would like to amend this an ordinance

4556
02:48:43,279 --> 02:48:46,160
to add a third public hearing

4557
02:48:46,160 --> 02:48:48,800
meeting onto it. And if I can get a

4558
02:48:48,800 --> 02:48:50,560
second, I'll explain why.

4559
02:48:50,560 --> 02:48:51,990
>> Second.

4560
02:48:51,990 --> 02:48:52,000
» Second.

4561
02:48:52,000 --> 02:48:56,389
>> Um, thank you. Appreciate that. So,

4562
02:48:56,389 --> 02:48:56,399
» Um, thank you. Appreciate that. So,

4563
02:48:56,399 --> 02:48:59,600
I called around to some people um kind

4564
02:48:59,600 --> 02:49:01,920
of all over about numerous topics on the

4565
02:49:01,920 --> 02:49:05,120
meeting tonight and a lot of people

4566
02:49:05,120 --> 02:49:07,279
didn't realize we were meeting tonight

4567
02:49:07,279 --> 02:49:09,920
versus Thursday because we're it's a

4568
02:49:09,920 --> 02:49:12,640
regular meeting. We knew it's a holiday

4569
02:49:12,640 --> 02:49:15,279
stuff like that. Um and so I just feel

4570
02:49:15,279 --> 02:49:18,469
like

4571
02:49:18,479 --> 02:49:21,200
we need an additional time frame for the

4572
02:49:21,200 --> 02:49:23,520
public to weigh in. I mean this only on

4573
02:49:23,520 --> 02:49:25,200
this one the sales tax because

4574
02:49:25,200 --> 02:49:27,279
ultimately we answer them. I know it

4575
02:49:27,279 --> 02:49:29,600
delays this timeline but I really think

4576
02:49:29,600 --> 02:49:31,760
that we should have a third public

4577
02:49:31,760 --> 02:49:34,640
hearing on a regular scheduled meeting

4578
02:49:34,640 --> 02:49:37,200
so that it's at Thursday at 7 to make

4579
02:49:37,200 --> 02:49:39,040
sure that the public knows when we're

4580
02:49:39,040 --> 02:49:41,120
meeting and and whatnot. So that's the

4581
02:49:41,120 --> 02:49:42,880
only reason I wanted to add add that for

4582
02:49:42,880 --> 02:49:44,000
the public.

4583
02:49:44,000 --> 02:49:45,830
>> Can we add an extra hearing for these?

4584
02:49:45,830 --> 02:49:45,840
» Can we add an extra hearing for these?

4585
02:49:45,840 --> 02:49:48,230
>> I don't know.

4586
02:49:48,230 --> 02:49:48,240
» I don't know.

4587
02:49:48,240 --> 02:49:49,349
>> Yeah.

4588
02:49:49,349 --> 02:49:49,359
» Yeah.

4589
02:49:49,359 --> 02:49:53,600
Um, so our remote sales tax seller, we

4590
02:49:53,600 --> 02:49:56,000
have to give them any changes in the

4591
02:49:56,000 --> 02:50:00,240
sales tax rate um, 30 days before it's

4592
02:50:00,240 --> 02:50:02,800
effective. So, I just want the council

4593
02:50:02,800 --> 02:50:06,800
to know that. And the bureau also has to

4594
02:50:06,800 --> 02:50:09,680
program into their paperwork for April

4595
02:50:09,680 --> 02:50:13,359
one information any changes. So, we need

4596
02:50:13,359 --> 02:50:15,840
to be cognizant of the time it will take

4597
02:50:15,840 --> 02:50:19,200
them to modify. And I don't know exactly

4598
02:50:19,200 --> 02:50:21,680
what that is, but we we want to give

4599
02:50:21,680 --> 02:50:25,200
them ample time to change their

4600
02:50:25,200 --> 02:50:30,880
documentation online and in paper form

4601
02:50:30,880 --> 02:50:32,560
if it passes.

4602
02:50:32,560 --> 02:50:34,389
>> When would you need that?

4603
02:50:34,389 --> 02:50:34,399
» When would you need that?

4604
02:50:34,399 --> 02:50:35,830
>> The third public hearing would be

4605
02:50:35,830 --> 02:50:35,840
» The third public hearing would be

4606
02:50:35,840 --> 02:50:40,469
February 5th.

4607
02:50:40,479 --> 02:50:42,560
» Does that give enough time

4608
02:50:42,560 --> 02:50:45,510
>> for the remote seller? I need to check

4609
02:50:45,510 --> 02:50:45,520
» for the remote seller? I need to check

4610
02:50:45,520 --> 02:50:47,600
on with the bureau to see how much time

4611
02:50:47,600 --> 02:50:48,960
they'll need.

4612
02:50:48,960 --> 02:50:51,030
>> It would give them most of February and

4613
02:50:51,030 --> 02:50:51,040
» It would give them most of February and

4614
02:50:51,040 --> 02:50:52,960
all of March.

4615
02:50:52,960 --> 02:50:54,389
>> May not be as much because a lot of

4616
02:50:54,389 --> 02:50:54,399
» May not be as much because a lot of

4617
02:50:54,399 --> 02:50:57,040
things are online. I just don't want to.

4618
02:50:57,040 --> 02:50:59,349
>> Sure. Sure.

4619
02:50:59,349 --> 02:50:59,359
» Sure. Sure.

4620
02:50:59,359 --> 02:51:02,630
>> But present, we have a motion

4621
02:51:02,630 --> 02:51:02,640
» But present, we have a motion

4622
02:51:02,640 --> 02:51:06,000
to raise the seasonal sales tax by a

4623
02:51:06,000 --> 02:51:07,840
half% during the summer

4624
02:51:07,840 --> 02:51:10,389
>> and it's been amended to lower it during

4625
02:51:10,389 --> 02:51:10,399
» and it's been amended to lower it during

4626
02:51:10,399 --> 02:51:11,510
>> that one already except Yeah.

4627
02:51:11,510 --> 02:51:11,520
» that one already except Yeah.

4628
02:51:11,520 --> 02:51:12,389
>> Yeah. I know it's

4629
02:51:12,389 --> 02:51:12,399
» Yeah. I know it's

4630
02:51:12,399 --> 02:51:14,469
>> been added to the motion now. Yes.

4631
02:51:14,469 --> 02:51:14,479
» been added to the motion now. Yes.

4632
02:51:14,479 --> 02:51:15,990
>> So, I want to keep it all the same. I'm

4633
02:51:15,990 --> 02:51:16,000
» So, I want to keep it all the same. I'm

4634
02:51:16,000 --> 02:51:18,399
just wanting to add a third meeting on a

4635
02:51:18,399 --> 02:51:19,040
proper

4636
02:51:19,040 --> 02:51:19,830
>> hearing

4637
02:51:19,830 --> 02:51:19,840
» hearing

4638
02:51:19,840 --> 02:51:21,429
>> meeting time.

4639
02:51:21,429 --> 02:51:21,439
» meeting time.

4640
02:51:21,439 --> 02:51:23,190
>> That's all I wanted.

4641
02:51:23,190 --> 02:51:23,200
» That's all I wanted.

4642
02:51:23,200 --> 02:51:23,670
>> Yes.

4643
02:51:23,670 --> 02:51:23,680
» Yes.

4644
02:51:23,680 --> 02:51:25,510
>> I don't, your honor, um, and council

4645
02:51:25,510 --> 02:51:25,520
» I don't, your honor, um, and council

4646
02:51:25,520 --> 02:51:26,720
Bradberry, I don't think there's

4647
02:51:26,720 --> 02:51:28,880
anything to prevent the council from

4648
02:51:28,880 --> 02:51:31,439
doing that. I think it's more a minimum

4649
02:51:31,439 --> 02:51:33,439
that you have to have those two hearings

4650
02:51:33,439 --> 02:51:35,439
to provide

4651
02:51:35,439 --> 02:51:38,309
>> um, public notice. I I I feel like we've

4652
02:51:38,309 --> 02:51:38,319
» um, public notice. I I I feel like we've

4653
02:51:38,319 --> 02:51:40,080
done this in the past, especially when

4654
02:51:40,080 --> 02:51:42,479
there's been enough changes to the

4655
02:51:42,479 --> 02:51:45,040
original ordinance to warrant additional

4656
02:51:45,040 --> 02:51:46,319
discussion. So, I don't think there's a

4657
02:51:46,319 --> 02:51:48,880
problem in doing that. Again, provided

4658
02:51:48,880 --> 02:51:49,600
the timing

4659
02:51:49,600 --> 02:51:51,910
>> beforehand that we agreed to move to

4660
02:51:51,910 --> 02:51:51,920
» beforehand that we agreed to move to

4661
02:51:51,920 --> 02:51:53,920
have made an amendment.

4662
02:51:53,920 --> 02:51:55,269
>> I made an amendment and it's been

4663
02:51:55,269 --> 02:51:55,279
» I made an amendment and it's been

4664
02:51:55,279 --> 02:51:58,399
second. So, please call roll.

4665
02:51:58,399 --> 02:51:59,349
>> Uh Matani,

4666
02:51:59,349 --> 02:51:59,359
» Uh Matani,

4667
02:51:59,359 --> 02:52:00,469
>> yes.

4668
02:52:00,469 --> 02:52:00,479
» yes.

4669
02:52:00,479 --> 02:52:01,269
>> Zingy,

4670
02:52:01,269 --> 02:52:01,279
» Zingy,

4671
02:52:01,279 --> 02:52:02,309
>> yes.

4672
02:52:02,309 --> 02:52:02,319
» yes.

4673
02:52:02,319 --> 02:52:03,110
>> Gage,

4674
02:52:03,110 --> 02:52:03,120
» Gage,

4675
02:52:03,120 --> 02:52:03,670
>> yes.

4676
02:52:03,670 --> 02:52:03,680
» yes.

4677
02:52:03,680 --> 02:52:05,349
>> Bradberry,

4678
02:52:05,349 --> 02:52:05,359
» Bradberry,

4679
02:52:05,359 --> 02:52:07,510
>> yes. Okay. Finnegan.

4680
02:52:07,510 --> 02:52:07,520
» yes. Okay. Finnegan.

4681
02:52:07,520 --> 02:52:08,150
>> Yes.

4682
02:52:08,150 --> 02:52:08,160
» Yes.

4683
02:52:08,160 --> 02:52:08,870
>> And gas.

4684
02:52:08,870 --> 02:52:08,880
» And gas.

4685
02:52:08,880 --> 02:52:10,630
>> Yes. And that passes, your honor.

4686
02:52:10,630 --> 02:52:10,640
» Yes. And that passes, your honor.

4687
02:52:10,640 --> 02:52:11,990
>> Thank you. Then we're back to the main

4688
02:52:11,990 --> 02:52:12,000
» Thank you. Then we're back to the main

4689
02:52:12,000 --> 02:52:14,160
motion.

4690
02:52:14,160 --> 02:52:14,870
>> Yes. Abby,

4691
02:52:14,870 --> 02:52:14,880
» Yes. Abby,

4692
02:52:14,880 --> 02:52:16,070
>> your honor, I would like to make another

4693
02:52:16,070 --> 02:52:16,080
» your honor, I would like to make another

4694
02:52:16,080 --> 02:52:18,399
amendment. I would like to amend the

4695
02:52:18,399 --> 02:52:21,359
effective date for this to from April

4696
02:52:21,359 --> 02:52:25,520
1st, 2026 to April 1st, 2027.

4697
02:52:25,520 --> 02:52:27,590
>> Put it off a year.

4698
02:52:27,590 --> 02:52:27,600
» Put it off a year.

4699
02:52:27,600 --> 02:52:28,950
>> Just need a second and I can talk

4700
02:52:28,950 --> 02:52:28,960
» Just need a second and I can talk

4701
02:52:28,960 --> 02:52:29,600
further about

4702
02:52:29,600 --> 02:52:30,870
>> second.

4703
02:52:30,870 --> 02:52:30,880
» second.

4704
02:52:30,880 --> 02:52:33,520
So, the reason I am asking for this to

4705
02:52:33,520 --> 02:52:35,840
be postponed to 2027 on top of my

4706
02:52:35,840 --> 02:52:39,120
numerous other questions or statements

4707
02:52:39,120 --> 02:52:40,720
earlier,

4708
02:52:40,720 --> 02:52:42,800
businesses in our community, local

4709
02:52:42,800 --> 02:52:44,800
businesses have been selling their tours

4710
02:52:44,800 --> 02:52:48,160
and services for this upcoming summer.

4711
02:52:48,160 --> 02:52:51,120
They've been online since probably, if

4712
02:52:51,120 --> 02:52:53,600
they're lucky, as early as October. So,

4713
02:52:53,600 --> 02:52:54,720
they've been selling under the

4714
02:52:54,720 --> 02:52:57,359
assumption of a certain rate. So if we

4715
02:52:57,359 --> 02:53:00,319
increase this for April 1st,

4716
02:53:00,319 --> 02:53:02,800
they will have to

4717
02:53:02,800 --> 02:53:05,279
beat that cost on them. Those businesses

4718
02:53:05,279 --> 02:53:07,040
will because they have not had ample

4719
02:53:07,040 --> 02:53:10,000
amount of time to raise the tax rate on

4720
02:53:10,000 --> 02:53:15,200
their um on their customers. So I I am

4721
02:53:15,200 --> 02:53:16,880
because it's based off of service date.

4722
02:53:16,880 --> 02:53:19,279
It's not based on purchase date. And so

4723
02:53:19,279 --> 02:53:21,600
I'm just concerned that we are now if we

4724
02:53:21,600 --> 02:53:23,920
wait and or if we do this and we say

4725
02:53:23,920 --> 02:53:26,160
this summer we're going to increase it,

4726
02:53:26,160 --> 02:53:28,479
we're now taking more money out of our

4727
02:53:28,479 --> 02:53:31,279
local business pockets if they've

4728
02:53:31,279 --> 02:53:32,960
already sold their services, made

4729
02:53:32,960 --> 02:53:35,520
contracts or things like that under that

4730
02:53:35,520 --> 02:53:37,359
service um time frame of a different

4731
02:53:37,359 --> 02:53:39,200
one. So I am concerned again on the

4732
02:53:39,200 --> 02:53:41,680
impact of local businesses. I don't care

4733
02:53:41,680 --> 02:53:43,600
about anybody else. Um, so that is a

4734
02:53:43,600 --> 02:53:46,479
huge concern for me and the why I'm

4735
02:53:46,479 --> 02:53:52,230
wanting to postpone the effective date.

4736
02:53:52,240 --> 02:53:54,640
» Well, I don't I don't agree with that. I

4737
02:53:54,640 --> 02:53:57,279
think that uh the tourism industry is

4738
02:53:57,279 --> 02:53:59,040
continue to run. We can't adjust our

4739
02:53:59,040 --> 02:54:03,200
taxes based on their seasonal sales. So,

4740
02:54:03,200 --> 02:54:07,279
um, and and you know, it's kind of

4741
02:54:07,279 --> 02:54:08,960
ironic we sit here and talk about the

4742
02:54:08,960 --> 02:54:10,640
cost going up for the city. you don't

4743
02:54:10,640 --> 02:54:12,080
want to pass rates, but it's a given

4744
02:54:12,080 --> 02:54:14,319
that the the industry is going to raise

4745
02:54:14,319 --> 02:54:15,840
rates automatically if their rates go

4746
02:54:15,840 --> 02:54:18,560
up. So, I don't know where we're at with

4747
02:54:18,560 --> 02:54:22,479
stuff. So, I I I couldn't support that.

4748
02:54:22,479 --> 02:54:22,790
>> Yes,

4749
02:54:22,790 --> 02:54:22,800
» Yes,

4750
02:54:22,800 --> 02:54:24,630
>> I would like to counter that because uh

4751
02:54:24,630 --> 02:54:24,640
» I would like to counter that because uh

4752
02:54:24,640 --> 02:54:27,120
we as service business, we increased our

4753
02:54:27,120 --> 02:54:30,720
rates on user bases. So,

4754
02:54:30,720 --> 02:54:32,560
the businesses are we're passing on our

4755
02:54:32,560 --> 02:54:36,240
costs and increased 8% on two so far.

4756
02:54:36,240 --> 02:54:39,359
That's what our local businesses also

4757
02:54:39,359 --> 02:54:40,319
do. Yep.

4758
02:54:40,319 --> 02:54:43,030
>> And so you saying, well, we don't

4759
02:54:43,030 --> 02:54:43,040
» And so you saying, well, we don't

4760
02:54:43,040 --> 02:54:45,600
necessarily

4761
02:54:45,600 --> 02:54:48,880
uh it contradicts itself. Well, I think

4762
02:54:48,880 --> 02:54:50,399
that statement contradicts ourselves

4763
02:54:50,399 --> 02:54:53,439
because we just did that to ordinances

4764
02:54:53,439 --> 02:54:57,040
before this. And so now we're saying

4765
02:54:57,040 --> 02:54:58,880
sorry because you operate a business and

4766
02:54:58,880 --> 02:55:01,279
you're offering a service.

4767
02:55:01,279 --> 02:55:02,870
>> Too bad. I mean, we don't say that to

4768
02:55:02,870 --> 02:55:02,880
» Too bad. I mean, we don't say that to

4769
02:55:02,880 --> 02:55:04,080
ourselves.

4770
02:55:04,080 --> 02:55:05,830
>> Yeah. Well, you raise your tax and they

4771
02:55:05,830 --> 02:55:05,840
» Yeah. Well, you raise your tax and they

4772
02:55:05,840 --> 02:55:08,319
pay your RA. I'm just saying I

4773
02:55:08,319 --> 02:55:11,510
>> but I think we have a need that your

4774
02:55:11,510 --> 02:55:11,520
» but I think we have a need that your

4775
02:55:11,520 --> 02:55:12,000
honor

4776
02:55:12,000 --> 02:55:13,990
>> I I think we have a need a need that's

4777
02:55:13,990 --> 02:55:14,000
» I I think we have a need a need that's

4778
02:55:14,000 --> 02:55:15,760
greater than that of the

4779
02:55:15,760 --> 02:55:18,150
>> the tourism industry and so on

4780
02:55:18,150 --> 02:55:18,160
» the tourism industry and so on

4781
02:55:18,160 --> 02:55:19,190
>> local businesses

4782
02:55:19,190 --> 02:55:19,200
» local businesses

4783
02:55:19,200 --> 02:55:24,230
>> local I guess so

4784
02:55:24,240 --> 02:55:26,800
» motion on the floor any other comments

4785
02:55:26,800 --> 02:55:28,000
please call go

4786
02:55:28,000 --> 02:55:32,070
>> yes

4787
02:55:32,080 --> 02:55:33,520
» yes

4788
02:55:33,520 --> 02:55:34,230
>> matani

4789
02:55:34,230 --> 02:55:34,240
» matani

4790
02:55:34,240 --> 02:55:36,150
>> yes

4791
02:55:36,150 --> 02:55:36,160
» yes

4792
02:55:36,160 --> 02:55:39,349
>> zingy

4793
02:55:39,359 --> 02:55:41,600
Yes.

4794
02:55:41,600 --> 02:55:43,349
>> Gage, no.

4795
02:55:43,349 --> 02:55:43,359
» Gage, no.

4796
02:55:43,359 --> 02:55:44,469
>> Bradbury,

4797
02:55:44,469 --> 02:55:44,479
» Bradbury,

4798
02:55:44,479 --> 02:55:45,750
>> yes.

4799
02:55:45,750 --> 02:55:45,760
» yes.

4800
02:55:45,760 --> 02:55:46,469
>> Finnegan,

4801
02:55:46,469 --> 02:55:46,479
» Finnegan,

4802
02:55:46,479 --> 02:55:48,870
>> no.

4803
02:55:48,870 --> 02:55:48,880
» no.

4804
02:55:48,880 --> 02:55:51,830
>> Who did I miss?

4805
02:55:51,830 --> 02:55:51,840
» Who did I miss?

4806
02:55:51,840 --> 02:55:52,870
>> Goose is not here.

4807
02:55:52,870 --> 02:55:52,880
» Goose is not here.

4808
02:55:52,880 --> 02:55:54,870
>> I know. Easy. So,

4809
02:55:54,870 --> 02:55:54,880
» I know. Easy. So,

4810
02:55:54,880 --> 02:55:55,429
>> all right.

4811
02:55:55,429 --> 02:55:55,439
» all right.

4812
02:55:55,439 --> 02:55:57,349
>> So, that passes.

4813
02:55:57,349 --> 02:55:57,359
» So, that passes.

4814
02:55:57,359 --> 02:56:00,230
>> We move on to uh the executive session.

4815
02:56:00,230 --> 02:56:00,240
» We move on to uh the executive session.

4816
02:56:00,240 --> 02:56:02,950
>> Oh, the main motion is still yet to go.

4817
02:56:02,950 --> 02:56:02,960
» Oh, the main motion is still yet to go.

4818
02:56:02,960 --> 02:56:07,920
Oh, sorry. We haven't got it yet. Big go

4819
02:56:07,920 --> 02:56:09,030
>> Bradbury.

4820
02:56:09,030 --> 02:56:09,040
» Bradbury.

4821
02:56:09,040 --> 02:56:10,150
>> Yes.

4822
02:56:10,150 --> 02:56:10,160
» Yes.

4823
02:56:10,160 --> 02:56:10,870
>> Gage,

4824
02:56:10,870 --> 02:56:10,880
» Gage,

4825
02:56:10,880 --> 02:56:11,750
>> yes.

4826
02:56:11,750 --> 02:56:11,760
» yes.

4827
02:56:11,760 --> 02:56:12,550
>> Zingy,

4828
02:56:12,550 --> 02:56:12,560
» Zingy,

4829
02:56:12,560 --> 02:56:14,469
>> yes.

4830
02:56:14,469 --> 02:56:14,479
» yes.

4831
02:56:14,479 --> 02:56:15,190
>> Matani,

4832
02:56:15,190 --> 02:56:15,200
» Matani,

4833
02:56:15,200 --> 02:56:16,710
>> no.

4834
02:56:16,710 --> 02:56:16,720
» no.

4835
02:56:16,720 --> 02:56:17,349
>> Gas,

4836
02:56:17,349 --> 02:56:17,359
» Gas,

4837
02:56:17,359 --> 02:56:18,710
>> no.

4838
02:56:18,710 --> 02:56:18,720
» no.

4839
02:56:18,720 --> 02:56:19,349
>> Finigan,

4840
02:56:19,349 --> 02:56:19,359
» Finigan,

4841
02:56:19,359 --> 02:56:20,150
>> yes.

4842
02:56:20,150 --> 02:56:20,160
» yes.

4843
02:56:20,160 --> 02:56:23,110
>> That passes on 42.

4844
02:56:23,110 --> 02:56:23,120
» That passes on 42.

4845
02:56:23,120 --> 02:56:27,830
>> That moves us on to executive session.

4846
02:56:27,830 --> 02:56:27,840
» That moves us on to executive session.

4847
02:56:27,840 --> 02:56:29,840
There's a request for an exe executive

4848
02:56:29,840 --> 02:56:31,840
session authorizing to negotiate with

4849
02:56:31,840 --> 02:56:34,000
the newly represented

4850
02:56:34,000 --> 02:56:35,600
employees of the Porton Harbor

4851
02:56:35,600 --> 02:56:38,790
Department.

4852
02:56:38,800 --> 02:56:41,297
» I have a motion, please. $2 million.

4853
02:56:41,297 --> 02:56:41,359
[clears throat]

4854
02:56:41,359 --> 02:56:42,710
>> Your honor, I move the city council

4855
02:56:42,710 --> 02:56:42,720
» Your honor, I move the city council

4856
02:56:42,720 --> 02:56:44,080
declare that consistent with the acting

4857
02:56:44,080 --> 02:56:45,680
assistant city manager's recommendation,

4858
02:56:45,680 --> 02:56:47,040
it is in the best interest of the city

4859
02:56:47,040 --> 02:56:48,800
to discuss strategies relative to

4860
02:56:48,800 --> 02:56:50,240
negotiation of an interim letter of

4861
02:56:50,240 --> 02:56:51,840
agreement between the city and the

4862
02:56:51,840 --> 02:56:53,040
international brother of electrical

4863
02:56:53,040 --> 02:56:55,840
workers local 1547 to be incorporated

4864
02:56:55,840 --> 02:56:57,600
into the general government contract in

4865
02:56:57,600 --> 02:56:59,439
executive session. In accordance with

4866
02:56:59,439 --> 02:57:00,720
that finding, the city council will go

4867
02:57:00,720 --> 02:57:02,000
into executive session in accordance

4868
02:57:02,000 --> 02:57:04,080
with KMC2.04.025A1A

4869
02:57:04,080 --> 02:57:05,760
25A1A

4870
02:57:05,760 --> 02:57:07,439
to discuss said negotiations and

4871
02:57:07,439 --> 02:57:09,040
subjects the knowledge of which would

4872
02:57:09,040 --> 02:57:10,800
have an adverse impact upon the finances

4873
02:57:10,800 --> 02:57:12,640
of the city and upon the city's ability

4874
02:57:12,640 --> 02:57:16,960
to negotiate favorable labor agreements.

4875
02:57:16,960 --> 02:57:19,760
Do I have a second?

4876
02:57:19,760 --> 02:57:21,990
>> Second moved and seconded. Any

4877
02:57:21,990 --> 02:57:22,000
» Second moved and seconded. Any

4878
02:57:22,000 --> 02:57:24,240
discussion

4879
02:57:24,240 --> 02:57:27,439
hearing? Seeing none, please call the

4880
02:57:27,439 --> 02:57:28,309
>> Zingi.

4881
02:57:28,309 --> 02:57:28,319
» Zingi.

4882
02:57:28,319 --> 02:57:31,830
>> Yes. Madani.

4883
02:57:31,830 --> 02:57:31,840
» Yes. Madani.

4884
02:57:31,840 --> 02:57:33,910
>> Yes. Gas.

4885
02:57:33,910 --> 02:57:33,920
» Yes. Gas.

4886
02:57:33,920 --> 02:57:34,550
>> Yes.

4887
02:57:34,550 --> 02:57:34,560
» Yes.

4888
02:57:34,560 --> 02:57:35,190
>> Finigan.

4889
02:57:35,190 --> 02:57:35,200
» Finigan.

4890
02:57:35,200 --> 02:57:35,830
>> Yes.

4891
02:57:35,830 --> 02:57:35,840
» Yes.

4892
02:57:35,840 --> 02:57:36,550
>> Bradberry.

4893
02:57:36,550 --> 02:57:36,560
» Bradberry.

4894
02:57:36,560 --> 02:57:37,429
>> Yes.

4895
02:57:37,429 --> 02:57:37,439
» Yes.

4896
02:57:37,439 --> 02:57:38,550
>> Gage.

4897
02:57:38,550 --> 02:57:38,560
» Gage.

4898
02:57:38,560 --> 02:57:41,510
>> Yes.

4899
02:57:41,510 --> 02:57:41,520
» Yes.

4900
02:57:41,520 --> 02:57:54,389
>> All right. We do.

4901
02:57:54,399 --> 02:57:56,000
» Directive.

4902
02:57:56,000 --> 02:57:56,399
Motion to

4903
02:57:56,399 --> 02:58:00,550
>> adjourn.

4904
02:58:00,560 --> 02:58:03,173
First. Oh, we got all that stuff.

4905
02:58:03,173 --> 02:58:04,230
>> [laughter]

4906
02:58:04,230 --> 02:58:04,240
» [laughter]

4907
02:58:04,240 --> 02:58:06,469
>> I'm getting out of here early.

4908
02:58:06,469 --> 02:58:06,479
» I'm getting out of here early.

4909
02:58:06,479 --> 02:58:08,469
>> We should have done all that before.

4910
02:58:08,469 --> 02:58:08,479
» We should have done all that before.

4911
02:58:08,479 --> 02:58:09,750
>> Yeah, we should have done that before.

4912
02:58:09,750 --> 02:58:09,760
» Yeah, we should have done that before.

4913
02:58:09,760 --> 02:58:12,343
Manager did

4914
02:58:12,343 --> 02:58:13,040
[laughter]

4915
02:58:13,040 --> 02:58:14,309
>> you got off that anyway?

4916
02:58:14,309 --> 02:58:14,319
» you got off that anyway?

4917
02:58:14,319 --> 02:58:16,550
>> You thought you got off easy.

4918
02:58:16,550 --> 02:58:16,560
» You thought you got off easy.

4919
02:58:16,560 --> 02:58:17,910
>> Um your honor and members of the

4920
02:58:17,910 --> 02:58:17,920
» Um your honor and members of the

4921
02:58:17,920 --> 02:58:19,600
council, I really don't have anything. I

4922
02:58:19,600 --> 02:58:22,080
just want to um express my appreciation

4923
02:58:22,080 --> 02:58:24,240
to all the folks who've been working

4924
02:58:24,240 --> 02:58:25,840
really hard as we've had these snow

4925
02:58:25,840 --> 02:58:28,319
storms. um who have been out plowing,

4926
02:58:28,319 --> 02:58:31,359
consulting, um making sure our essential

4927
02:58:31,359 --> 02:58:35,040
services are still happening. Um so just

4928
02:58:35,040 --> 02:58:36,960
a lot of appreciation and kudos to them.

4929
02:58:36,960 --> 02:58:38,720
That's really it.

4930
02:58:38,720 --> 02:58:44,230
>> Thank you. Uh council committee reports.

4931
02:58:44,230 --> 02:58:44,240
» Thank you. Uh council committee reports.

4932
02:58:44,240 --> 02:58:45,600
Um city clerk spot.

4933
02:58:45,600 --> 02:58:46,710
>> No, nothing.

4934
02:58:46,710 --> 02:58:46,720
» No, nothing.

4935
02:58:46,720 --> 02:58:50,309
>> City attorney not here. Um future agenda

4936
02:58:50,309 --> 02:58:50,319
» City attorney not here. Um future agenda

4937
02:58:50,319 --> 02:58:51,680
items.

4938
02:58:51,680 --> 02:58:53,830
>> Yes. I'd like to bring back a future

4939
02:58:53,830 --> 02:58:53,840
» Yes. I'd like to bring back a future

4940
02:58:53,840 --> 02:58:58,560
agenda item to align the process for

4941
02:58:58,560 --> 02:59:02,000
obtaining cab licenses to align it with

4942
02:59:02,000 --> 02:59:06,000
that that Uber is under

4943
02:59:06,000 --> 02:59:08,550
>> changing the self-regulating to the

4944
02:59:08,550 --> 02:59:08,560
» changing the self-regulating to the

4945
02:59:08,560 --> 02:59:10,399
company rather than the police

4946
02:59:10,399 --> 02:59:10,960
department.

4947
02:59:10,960 --> 02:59:12,469
>> And I'd like to co-sponsor that.

4948
02:59:12,469 --> 02:59:12,479
» And I'd like to co-sponsor that.

4949
02:59:12,479 --> 02:59:12,870
>> Okay.

4950
02:59:12,870 --> 02:59:12,880
» Okay.

4951
02:59:12,880 --> 02:59:13,750
>> Okay.

4952
02:59:13,750 --> 02:59:13,760
» Okay.

4953
02:59:13,760 --> 02:59:15,830
>> You all want to sponsor it.

4954
02:59:15,830 --> 02:59:15,840
» You all want to sponsor it.

4955
02:59:15,840 --> 02:59:16,710
>> I'll send you the

4956
02:59:16,710 --> 02:59:16,720
» I'll send you the

4957
02:59:16,720 --> 02:59:20,070
>> cross the aisle. [laughter]

4958
02:59:20,070 --> 02:59:20,080
» cross the aisle. [laughter]

4959
02:59:20,080 --> 02:59:22,160
Bring the mayor and council comments.

4960
02:59:22,160 --> 02:59:23,120
Abby,

4961
02:59:23,120 --> 02:59:23,990
>> none.

4962
02:59:23,990 --> 02:59:24,000
» none.

4963
02:59:24,000 --> 02:59:24,710
>> Gently,

4964
02:59:24,710 --> 02:59:24,720
» Gently,

4965
02:59:24,720 --> 02:59:25,750
>> I have none.

4966
02:59:25,750 --> 02:59:25,760
» I have none.

4967
02:59:25,760 --> 02:59:26,389
>> Judy,

4968
02:59:26,389 --> 02:59:26,399
» Judy,

4969
02:59:26,399 --> 02:59:27,830
>> I have none.

4970
02:59:27,830 --> 02:59:27,840
» I have none.

4971
02:59:27,840 --> 02:59:32,230
>> Jay, just kudos to the street crew and

4972
02:59:32,230 --> 02:59:32,240
» Jay, just kudos to the street crew and

4973
02:59:32,240 --> 02:59:34,160
the electric department. They kept the

4974
02:59:34,160 --> 02:59:36,960
lights on and the streets crew did a

4975
02:59:36,960 --> 02:59:39,439
great job cleaning up the snow and

4976
02:59:39,439 --> 02:59:43,279
everything that came with the wind.

4977
02:59:43,279 --> 02:59:44,950
>> Riley, your honor.

4978
02:59:44,950 --> 02:59:44,960
» Riley, your honor.

4979
02:59:44,960 --> 02:59:45,590
>> Yeah.

4980
02:59:45,590 --> 02:59:45,600
» Yeah.

4981
02:59:45,600 --> 02:59:46,870
>> Oh, yeah. Thank you, your honor. Just

4982
02:59:46,870 --> 02:59:46,880
» Oh, yeah. Thank you, your honor. Just

4983
02:59:46,880 --> 02:59:48,560
reflecting on this evening's

4984
02:59:48,560 --> 02:59:50,000
conversations, especially with respect

4985
02:59:50,000 --> 02:59:52,000
to the final motion that we had on the

4986
02:59:52,000 --> 02:59:55,279
table. Uh I know that I I characterized

4987
02:59:55,279 --> 02:59:58,319
um the decision tonight regarding that

4988
02:59:58,319 --> 03:00:00,720
motion as being one of the 11th hour.

4989
03:00:00,720 --> 03:00:03,120
And um I think the point was made and I

4990
03:00:03,120 --> 03:00:04,720
think it was a good one. And a lot of

4991
03:00:04,720 --> 03:00:06,399
effort has been made by council members

4992
03:00:06,399 --> 03:00:08,080
who have been very creative, have worked

4993
03:00:08,080 --> 03:00:10,960
really hard to find other ways to save

4994
03:00:10,960 --> 03:00:12,880
uh funds. So, I don't think it was

4995
03:00:12,880 --> 03:00:14,479
really appropriate or fair for me to

4996
03:00:14,479 --> 03:00:15,840
characterize that as an 11th hour

4997
03:00:15,840 --> 03:00:17,760
decision. So, I just wanted to reflect

4998
03:00:17,760 --> 03:00:21,439
on that and make that comment and um

4999
03:00:21,439 --> 03:00:23,760
apologize for dismissing the efforts

5000
03:00:23,760 --> 03:00:25,120
that have been made by council members

5001
03:00:25,120 --> 03:00:27,120
who have made efforts or attempted to

5002
03:00:27,120 --> 03:00:28,960
find other ways of making cuts or

5003
03:00:28,960 --> 03:00:30,319
finding creative ways of generating

5004
03:00:30,319 --> 03:00:31,120
revenue.

5005
03:00:31,120 --> 03:00:32,790
>> Thank you.

5006
03:00:32,790 --> 03:00:32,800
» Thank you.

5007
03:00:32,800 --> 03:00:37,319
I have nothing. Ajourn.